[00:03] <cheatr> Just out of curiosity, did the updates released a day or two ago cause xorg to stop working?
[00:03] <cheatr> for anyone other than me?
[03:47] <Bodsda> where can i find out the new features being added to intrepid?
[04:00] <Bodsda> no one alive?
[04:00] <RAOF> Bodsda: Oh, people alive.  It's just that those haven't been decided yet.
[04:01] <Bodsda> hey RAOF -- lol,.,.ok cheers
[04:02] <DanaG> Hmm, something I'm pondering doing over summer: hacking together pavucontrol and pavumeter into one control-and-monitor applet.
[04:02] <DanaG> er, application.
[04:02] <RAOF> DanaG: Oooh, please.
[04:02] <RAOF> And then hook it up to the gnome-volume-control applet!
[04:02] <DanaG> I currently don
[04:02] <DanaG> I currently don't know any GTK programming... but hey, I'll try to teach myself.
[04:03] <RAOF> Pygtk is pretty awesome; gtk# isn't bad, either.
[04:03] <RAOF> Don't bother touching C, it's crap at UI :)
[04:04] <DanaG> Hmm, I currrently know just C and Java... I'll have to learn something else there, then.
[04:04] <RAOF> Oh, well if you're _comfortable_ in C, that's OK.
[04:04] <DanaG> I haven
[04:04] <DanaG> ARGH, /me curses at the enter key
[04:04] <RAOF> It's just not a particularly appropriate language for UIs :)
[04:04] <DanaG> I haven't done any UI stuff in C yet, anyway.
[04:05] <RAOF> GTK is both complicated and simple, but it's nice in that you basically just hook everything up to a callback and call gtk.main()
[04:05] <RAOF> Ahem.  gtk_main()
[04:06] <DanaG> I'd probably just be merging the two apps from existing code -- and then adding things like per-app volume meters.  That would be nifty.
[04:06] <RAOF> It's not so painful as Win32 and it's message-parsing-loop.
[04:07] <DanaG> I was also considering the option of a Windows PulseAudio driver for my future Senior Project, but that may be a bit too ambitious... considering I haven't done any Windows programming stuff since I entered Cal Poly -- and then before that was VB6... ugh.
[04:07] <DanaG> And I don't know if a virtual sound card driver could even separate apps from each other.
[04:08] <RAOF> DanaG: You mean a virtual driver, so it goes app -> pulse-shim -> pulseaudio server -> real audio driver?
[04:08] <DanaG> Yeah.  I'd want to do the same thing libpcm-pulse.so does in Linux.
[04:08] <RAOF> You obviously can get per-app streams on Vista, but who knows on XP.
[04:09] <DanaG> I'd actually target at Vista, frankly.  It probably has more support infrastructure.
[04:09] <RAOF> You're aware that the pulseaudio server is ported to windows and osx, right?
[04:09] <DanaG> Good luck getting it signed, though.... that's why I don't buy any DRMed stuff.
[04:09] <DanaG> Yeah, but playback-only server isn't what I'm after.
[04:10] <DanaG> The ideal thing would be to have the same capabilities on both platforms.
[04:10] <DanaG> That reminds me... PulseAudio needs a better way to say, "Use this sound card in surround.... use that other card in stereo."
[04:10] <RAOF> Yeah.    No signed drivers for you!
[04:10] <RAOF> So audio/video degredation, can't work on x86-64...
[04:11] <DanaG> Ubuntu Hardy is now my primary OS.  There are a few very major reasons, besides the open-source philosophy:
[04:12] <DanaG> Font rendering -- Linux is awesome, Cleartype is painful (subjectively).  Audio -- PulseAudio, 'nuff said.  And no Creative drivers.  Touchpad: all sorts of nifty features there.
[04:13] <DanaG> I think Valve's "Source" games are approximately my last must-have Windows app.
[04:14] <RAOF> Many of which run in Wine, and did you see the 'maybe Valve is porting Steam+Source to linux' rumours?
[04:14] <RAOF> But yeah, a Wintendo is still necessary for PC gaming.
[04:15] <DanaG> The only app I use that uses EAX effects as a key part: Uru.  That game has amazing audio -- but not much replay value.  Too bad the "Host OpenAL" thingy doesn't work in Wine.
[04:16] <DanaG> I hope "Intrepid" will have something as definitive as the Heron for Hardy -- and hopefully, something that will let me stop thinking of CARS.
[04:20]  * RAOF hasn't seen that.
[04:20] <RAOF> I hope someone does an awesome mountain goat.
[04:20] <RAOF> Or possibly we just have a photo of that guy :)
[04:20] <BHSPitLappy> gross
[04:20] <RAOF> BHSPitLappy: Dirty.  Go away.
[04:20] <RAOF> :P
[04:20] <BHSPitLappy> What?  What did I say?
[04:21] <BHSPitLappy> I was talking about Vista!
[04:21] <RAOF> Oh.  I thought you were talking about mountain goats.
[04:21] <DanaG> So did I.
[04:22] <BHSPitLappy> I can't believe they went with "Ibex".  I thought for sure 7.10 was going to be Gutsy Goatse.
[04:22] <RAOF> DanaG: Wasn't Uru that "we've done awesome real acoustic physics" thing?
[04:22] <DanaG> It's still just EAX (preset reverb parameters, but with smooth transitions between zones.)
[04:22] <RAOF> Me too.  Iguanas are much cooler than goats.
[04:23] <DanaG> Call me back when we do what Aureal did: simulate real physics with a low-poly secondary model.
[04:23] <DanaG> Hmm, what Windows-only apps do I use? .......................... umm ........................... uhh .................... ... Oh, Steam.  That's about it.
[04:23] <RAOF> I suppose SUSE has already taken the Iguana/Chameleon mascot, though.
[04:23] <DanaG> Oh, and a BIOS updater.
[04:23] <RAOF> Heh.  I finally managed to update my bios.
[04:24] <DanaG> WinPhlash?
[04:24] <DanaG> heh: Forty Phlashes for Phyou.
[04:24] <DanaG> Hey, it's fun spelling things like that.
[04:26] <DanaG> Another odd thing: if PulseAudio dies, it fails to grab the surround51:1 device the next time -- it says it's busy.
[04:26] <DanaG> I have to remove the card, unload the module (udev rule to the rescue!), and then reinsert the card.
[04:26] <BHSPitLappy> DanaG, Steam works in wine though
[04:27] <RAOF> BHSPitLappy: But not all the games do.
[04:27] <BHSPitLappy> Portal does :D
[04:27] <DanaG> But HL2 with a 128MB GeForce Go 7600 is a bit unpleasant.
[04:27] <DanaG> Slower than under Vista, even windowed with DWM active.
[04:27] <DanaG> Full screen in Vista..... whee, let's page out the desktop!
[04:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one random question:  I used to be able to ctrl-alt-± to switch resolutions; what happened to that feature?  I haven't seen it since I last used SuSE 9.3, or somewhere around then (could've been 10.1.).
[04:53] <DanaG> Wine likes trampling on my screen resolution.
[06:07] <hroi> hello
[06:09] <hroi> I wonder if anyone can answer a short question regarding the linux kernel on Ubuntu...
[06:10] <hroi> "I want to download the latest kernel.org kernel and run it on my ubuntu install"
[06:10] <hroi> will that screw everything up?
[06:10] <hroi> I've had bad experience with distros before
[06:10] <hroi> not with Slackware
[06:10] <hroi> but with distros like suse
[06:10] <hroi> ...
[06:11] <DanaG> #ubuntu+1 is for Intrepid; try the regular #ubuntu
[06:11] <DanaG> Intrepid is quite a while away right now.
[06:11] <hroi> DanaG, sorry... just the ubuntu channel people seem never have heard of downloading the vanilla kernel
[06:12] <hroi> they all use apt-get
[06:12] <DanaG> Aah.
[06:12] <DanaG> !kernel
[06:12] <DanaG> The make-kpkg method is what I did when I compiled my own kernels; I haven't lately had a need to do so.
[06:13] <hroi> ubottu,  it's fun and nice to trim down the kernel,  and I feel better knowing it's the kernel.org one
[06:13] <hroi> hehe
[06:14] <hroi> wow intelligent bot!!
[06:15] <hroi> thanks DanaG i'll look at that,  before on slackware I just downloaded the source, and essentially: make menuconfig and make
[06:15] <hroi> always worked great
[06:16] <DanaG> Using kpkg makes it far easier to maintain.
[06:16] <hroi> except if some driver became incompatible...
[06:16] <hroi> ok
[06:16] <hroi> best I'll try to get into how that works
[06:17] <hroi> ok I c.   this is an autmated script from debian... sounds nice.
[06:19] <DanaG> Oh, and if you want to pass -j to it, export a "CONCURRENCY_LEVEL" variable.
[06:25] <hroi> ok
[06:27] <hroi> exit
[06:27] <DanaG> Like, export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4
[09:26] <BUGabundo_work> anyone here can help me turn my intel wifi card 4965 abgn On?
[09:26] <BUGabundo_work> it is on kill switch on
[09:48] <repete> good morning all
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> can I get some attention on: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/32865
[13:53] <BUGabundo_work> I would love to know of a way to make may intel 4965 kill switch turn off... any tips are welcome
[13:57] <scizzo-> BUGabundo_work: if this is for the hardy release then its really not the right place to ask in here
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> sorry scizzo-
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> redirecting to #ubuntu
[13:59] <scizzo-> BUGabundo_work: the best place to ask if it is hardy related is in #ubuntu
[14:00] <scizzo-> BUGabundo_work: this channel will be fore the ibex development.
[14:00] <BUGabundo_work> I know
[14:00] <BUGabundo_work> but more devs are here
[14:00] <BUGabundo_work> so I guessed I could get better suppot in here
[14:01] <BUGabundo_work> but again: sorry for the noise
[14:01] <scizzo-> AFAIK there aren't more devs in here compared to #ubuntu....but I can be wrong
[14:01] <BUGabundo_work> humm not sure
[14:02] <BUGabundo_work> but you know how frustant it is to not having a wifi card, do to a soft button....
[14:02] <BUGabundo_work> grrrrrr
[14:22] <Mikeg> hi, everyone, why I can't move mysqld datadir to difference directory?
[14:22] <Mikeg> I had changed the configuration /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[14:22] <Mikeg> and had told mysql use the /home/mysql as his datadir,
[14:22] <Mikeg> I had changed the permission.
[14:22] <Mikeg> but mysql can't be started,
[14:23] <Mikeg> but when I move the datadir to original place, it can work.
[14:23] <Mikeg> and the log said: audit(1210684735.229:48): type=1503 operation="inode_create" requested_mask="w::" denied_mask="w::" name="/home/mysql     /ghw.lower-test" pid=11223 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" namespace="default
[14:23] <Mikeg> why?
[14:23] <Mikeg> anyone can help me?
[14:23] <Mikeg> thanks
[14:25] <Mikeg> ？
[14:28] <joaopinto> Mikeg, your question related to Ubuntu Interpid ? the regular ubuntu support channel is #Ubuntu :)
[14:30] <Mikeg> thanks.
[14:30] <Mikeg> seem to I had know this question. because nobody can help me in ubuntu.
[14:30] <Mikeg> #ubuntu.
[14:30] <Mikeg> so I asked it here. but now, I seem to had find out what i will to do.
[14:31] <Mikeg> /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.msyqld
[14:31] <Mikeg> edit this file.
[14:31] <Pici> Mikeg: This isnt an extension of #ubuntu, this channel is only for Intrepid questions.
[14:31] <Mikeg> ok
[14:31] <Mikeg> thanks
[15:52] <rsk> is ubuntu suffering from this also? http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html
[15:53] <rsk> oh fixes already uploaded
[15:53] <rsk> nvm then ==)
[16:04] <Roshan> can someone help with ssh
[16:05] <Roshan> I can't get it to work
[16:06] <BUGabundo_work> from the client side? Roshan
[16:06] <Roshan> I am usin putty
[16:07] <Roshan> and I am getting server refuse our key
[16:07] <rsk> is ssh-server started on the host?
[16:07] <Roshan> yea
[16:07] <Roshan> I use putty-keygen to gen a key
[16:07] <rsk> can you connect to it frmo the localhost?
[16:08] <Roshan> and import it into .ssh/authorized_keys
[16:09] <Roshan> from local host i am getting authenticity can't be establish
[16:09] <BUGabundo_work> hummm
[16:10] <Roshan> Host key verification failed
[16:10] <BUGabundo_work> rename the key file
[16:10] <ikonia> Roshan: this is on intrepid ?
[16:10] <BUGabundo_work> I guess it is corrupt
[16:10] <Roshan> hmm
[16:10] <Roshan> let me gen one locally and see
[16:10] <ikonia> Roshan: what version of ubuntu and what ssh version is it using
[16:10] <BUGabundo_work> ikonia: I'm guessing its hardy
[16:10] <ikonia> BUGabundo_work: then why is it being discussed in here ?
[16:11] <ikonia> I can't see the ssh package in the intrepid packages
[16:11] <ikonia> hence why I'm asking
[16:12] <Roshan> hardy
[16:12] <Roshan> 8.04
[16:13] <Roshan> srry
[16:17] <lore20> hi
[16:21] <ikonia> hi
[16:21] <Pici> hi
[17:33] <eagles0513875> hey guys where can i dowload ibex to start helping with debugging and if i can developing
[17:33] <rsk> you can't download it afaik
[17:33] <jussi01> eagles0513875: did you read the topic?
[17:33] <rsk> just change sources.list
[17:34] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[17:34] <eagles0513875> rsk: i used to use sourceomatic but its been taken down
[17:36] <eagles0513875> humm
[17:50] <eagles0513875> how do i change my sources list
[17:51] <lore20> eagles0513875: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:51] <eagles0513875> lore20: that i know but what in there do i need to change
[17:52] <jbroome__> eagles0513875: i think that's the first indication you have no business running intrepid
[17:52] <Seeker``> eagles0513875: If you are having to ask these questions, you may not have enough experience to run a pre-alpha version
[17:52] <eagles0513875> i wanna help out by reporting bugs
[17:53] <jbroome__> umm
[17:53] <eagles0513875> and also if i can i would like to start learning how to fix more bugs
[17:53] <Seeker``> eagles0513875: It may be better to start doing that later in the development cycle
[17:53] <eagles0513875> ok then what needs to be done right now then more programming then anything
[17:54] <jbroome__> you reading some ubuntu/debian FAQs and howtos
[17:54] <eagles0513875> ok
[18:09] <anon111> I was wondering if, in Intrepid, if it would be possible to have the Windows key be the <Super> key by default? I don't know if this is my computer (in which case I'll file a bug report) or if it is the default behaviour. I had to go to Keyboard settings to change it.
[18:14] <jbroome__> i wondered why #ubuntu was so quiet... I was on oftc.  der
[18:15] <oxigen> anon111: did you try to change it in: System > Windows?
[18:17] <oxigen> System > Preferences > Windows that is..
[18:25] <anon111> Sorry if I was unclear. In Compiz, some of the defaults involve the "Super" key. When I pressed the "Windows logo" key on my keyboard, it didn't work. I had to go to System > Preferences > Keyboard to activate it.
[22:03] <Ham44> anybody know when libxfont1 will be fixed ?
[22:11] <Ham44> ???
[22:16] <Ham44> anybody here ?
[22:16] <rsk> not really
[22:16] <Ham44> thats what I though!
[22:27] <darkone1687> hey can anyone help me with my horrible sound quality problem in ubuntu
[23:07] <jhb1608> hello.
[23:08] <jhb1608> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4952014#post4952014
[23:09] <jhb1608> hello?
[23:09] <crimsun> keep in mind that there are people present who don't have access to that URL
[23:09] <jhb1608> oh?
[23:10] <jhb1608> can they just copy and paste?
[23:10] <crimsun> i.e., don't just post a URL and assume everyone can navigate to it.  Summarising the real issue is highly recommended.
[23:10] <jhb1608> okay.
[23:10] <jhb1608> it'll be long.
[23:10] <crimsun> (and no, I mean that ubuntuforums.org is blocked for some people)
[23:10] <jhb1608> oh?
[23:10] <jhb1608> okay
[23:11] <jhb1608> can I do pastebin then?
[23:11] <crimsun> absolutely
[23:11] <jhb1608> k
[23:11] <frank23> jhb1608: I don't think 5.10 is supported anymore either....
[23:11] <jhb1608> I have 5.10
[23:11] <jhb1608> oh?
[23:12] <jhb1608> I can't update ubuntu without internet
[23:12] <jhb1608> it is why.
[23:12] <jhb1608> I'll wait on cable internet then
[23:12] <frank23> jhb1608: or you can order 8.04 CDs from shipit
[23:12] <jhb1608> tried it
[23:12] <jhb1608> it won't let me change the address
[23:12] <jhb1608> I move a lot
[23:12] <jhb1608> 3 times
[23:12] <frank23> jhb1608: heh
[23:12] <jhb1608> now it will be 4
[23:13] <frank23> jhb1608: anyways support for this would be in #ubuntu, not #ubuntu+1
[23:13] <jhb1608> I asked
[23:13] <jhb1608> and they don't respond
[23:14] <jhb1608> I'll wait for few days then.
[23:43] <darkone1687> will someone help me... I uninstalled alsamixer and reinstalled it and now it says I don't have a soundcard


[14:06] <KBar> hello. ubuntu packaging guide instructs creating a package from template with `bzr dh-make pkg_name pkg_version /path/to/tarball` but it errors out `brz: ERROR: unknown command "dh-make"`
[14:07] <KBar> this answer (https://askubuntu.com/a/1349428/1044722) says support for dh-make subcommand was dropped
[14:07] <KBar> what would be my next step?
[14:10] <tarzeau> just use dh-make without bzr?
[14:11] <tarzeau> my guide https://github.com/alexmyczko/autoexec.bat/blob/master/Documents/debian-packaging.md
[14:17] <KBar> tarzeau: what if the source already has the debian directory? should i just skip this step and straight edit control/etc
[14:17] <KBar> ?
[14:18] <tarzeau> what are you packaging?
[14:18] <tarzeau> you can, but i've mostly found outdated, wrong, broken debian from others
[14:19] <tarzeau> so i usally repack, dropping it, and add my own
[14:19] <KBar> tarzeau: xfce4-windowck-plugin: https://gitlab.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-windowck-plugin
[14:22] <tarzeau> you might want to join xfce team forces? they sure know how it works
[14:22] <tarzeau> i'm team amiwm/wmaker+gnustep
[14:23] <tarzeau> but is the import freeze for 22.04 now or later today or was it already yesterday?
[14:23] <KBar> nothing serious, just my own curiosity and trying to make it work
[14:23] <KBar> i think its tomorrow
[14:24] <KBar> or maybe already today in your timezone :)