[15:39] <spelling> savvas keeo going
[15:40] <twoface_> savvas: do you have the python 'dl' module?
[15:40] <Ng> Blinny: could you file a bug about that, or mention it in #ubuntu-kernel? If it's confirmed then it's a pretty serious regression
[15:40] <savvas> spelling: http://distrowatch.com/ :p
[15:40] <savvas> spelling: http://shots.osdir.com
[15:40] <savvas> i think that's enough :)
[15:40] <Pici> !ot | spelling
[15:40] <ubotu> spelling: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[15:40] <Lynoure> twoface_: no.
[15:40] <Blinny> Ng: I'll try #ubuntu-kernel first. I've been searching but haven't found a bug report yet. Thanks
[15:41] <savvas> twoface_: what package?
[15:41] <Ng> Blinny: ok thanks
[15:41] <Lynoure> twoface_: This is a 32bit system...
[15:41] <twoface_> savvas: it should be in the standard python2.5 package
[15:44] <twoface_> bah - apparently dl.so is not included in the amd64 packages
[15:44] <twoface_> wonder why
[15:44] <sailaway85> hi all
[15:46] <macusercanada> is there anyone that can help with a mouse/trackpad problem on a G3 ibook?
[15:54] <nate00> Hmm .. too activate the darklooks theme I need to reapply clearlooks and then darklooks again - anyone know why?
[15:55] <rawbin> Greetings. A problem : My gutsy installation's gnome-terminal seems to be inserting extra '\033[0m' instances in everything that is processed by the shell. Eg `ls filename | xargs rm` bombs with a message that `\033[0mfilename`\033[0m not found. Any idea what's causing this ?
[16:00] <Ng> rawbin: bash prompt maybe?
[16:00] <Ng> try running: export PS1="$ "
[16:02] <rawbin> Ng, thanks. That doesn't change the behaviour I'm afraid. I know that the sequence `\033[0m is a special one but do not know what it means. Things run fine in xterm however so something in gnome-terminal or its environment is causing this to happen IMHO.
[16:04] <Fritzel> is there anyway to change the order in which programs that autostart in gnome load? I want compiz to load first
[16:04] <Ng> rawbin: that's usually something like setting a colour in a prompt
[16:05] <Fritzel> 0m resets to default boldness and color if I recall correctly
[16:05] <rawbin> Ng, the funny thing is that this is a from-scratch install so its not like I was tweaking the prompt or any such thing.
[16:05] <franz1789> hi, does anyone else has problems with flashplugin-nonfree and firefox 3.0 beta5?
[16:05] <Ng> rawbin: try "unset PROMPT_COMMAND" too, that's something similar to the prompt
[16:05] <bhsx> is everyone having issues with the latest updates (starting friday)? my 3d seems to be busted, even though i'm supposedly using the ati proprietary driver...
[16:06] <bhsx> i cant get compiz to run
[16:06] <tech0007> Fritzel: try System->Preferences->Sessions or have a look at ~/.gnome2/session
[16:06] <Fritzel> I'm looking at that now I was just hoping someone knew of some way to choose the order, there's no options in here that I can see
[16:07] <gregory> franz1789: i use the flashplayer downloaded from adobe. works nicely
[16:07] <rawbin> Ng, No luck I'm afraid. That variable wasn't set anyways.
[16:07] <bhsx> i'm thinkin of doin a reinstall and just starting over, and then just not updating til the release
[16:07] <Ng> rawbin: hmm, I'm not sure then
[16:07] <franz1789> gregory, I installed it from repo, but firefox does not recognize it
[16:08] <tech0007> Fritzel: in ~/.gnome2/session, you can see they're numbered. i used that file once to rid of some startup, maybe you can use it to change the order..i'm not sure
[16:08] <gregory> franz1789: you can check your plugins in $HOME/.mozilla/plugins. if its not in there you need to make a symlink
[16:09] <Fritzel> ahh ok I'll give that a shot
[16:09] <tech0007> Fritzel: good luck
[16:09] <tech0007> Fritzel: make sure you back it up first
[16:09] <Fritzel> I will
[16:10] <franz1789> gregory, that folder does not exist
[16:10] <franz1789> gregory, and I can't find it in my profile
[16:10] <Fritzel> rawbin: escape your ls and it won't produce color, to modify your example '\ls filename | xargs rm'
[16:10] <alastair_> is firefox 3 beta going to be in the release?
[16:10] <alastair_> cos um
[16:10] <Fritzel> rawbin: it doesn't solve the problem but it'd let you do what you're trying to
[16:10] <alastair_> None of the addons works :P
[16:11] <gregory> franz1789: i dont mean to be rude: you replaced $HOME with your system name? f.e. /home/user/franz/..
[16:11] <franz1789> gregory, yep, I'm not so n00b :D
[16:11] <gregory> alastair_: yes, but you can also install ff2
[16:11] <alastair_> k
[16:12] <gregory> franz1789: dont know then, sorry
[16:12] <alastair_> I quite like it, but for the lack of addon
[16:12] <Fritzel> \033[0m is a color code, escaping should allow your command to work since it executes without any aliases on ls
[16:13] <rawbin> Fritzel, thanks. That worked. Also I realised that I had aliased ls as follows "alias ls='ls --color -F'". Could that be the culprit ?
[16:14] <Fritzel> it's causing the problem yes, but most people have it, I havn't executed the command on anything that comes in color with ls so I don't know if it's working as intended or not
[16:14] <franz1789> gregory, well, I find the folder in /usr/lib/firefox-addons, but it's empty
[16:14] <rawbin> Fritzel, I see. Well thanks anyways.
[16:14] <Fritzel> np
[16:14]  * orvokki has alias ls="ls --color=auto" on his systems usually
[16:15] <gregory> franz1789: i am really not good with ff. i am not sure if _plugins go into _addons
[16:15] <Fritzel> hmm what's auto do for color?
[16:15] <orvokki> Fritzel: Color has three states. Forced on, automatic and off.
[16:15] <orvokki> Automatic tries to put it off if the terminal doesn't support it.
[16:16] <franz1789> gregory, ok, I reinstalled it and now it works, sorry
[16:16] <Fritzel> ahh I may have to make the adjustments here then
[16:17] <orvokki> Fritzel: The switches for color are 'never', 'auto' and 'always'.
[16:17] <orvokki> As it says in man page for ls.
[16:17] <Fritzel> I usually see --color by itsself
[16:17] <orvokki> It's ambiguous.
[16:17] <Fritzel> I never thought about there being a value
[16:17] <orvokki> --color by itself is either --color=always or --color=auto.
[16:18] <orvokki> I have no idea which, man page doesn't tell.
[16:18] <Fritzel> I would think auto
[16:18] <Fritzel> but that would disagree with rawbin's situation
[16:18] <Fritzel> brb I need to relogin
[16:19] <Fritzel> oh yes that's much better
[16:19] <tech0007> ubuntu by default doesnt have a .bashrc file, so where can you put user variables like ls?
[16:19] <orvokki> Fritzel: Actually I suspect it's automatic if you drop --color off.
[16:20] <Fritzel> I put a priority of 50 on compiz, didn't even see it flicker ^^
[16:20] <Fritzel> .profile might work
[16:20] <orvokki> tech0007: You can put source ~/.bashrc into ~/.bash_profile
[16:20] <orvokki> Then you have a .bashrc.
[16:20] <tech0007> Fritzel: yup there it is
[16:21] <orvokki> That's how all distros that have .bashrc do it.
[16:22] <orvokki> tech0007: echo 'if [ -f ~/.bashrc ];then source ~/.bashrc;fi' >> ~/.bash_profile
[16:23] <tech0007> orvokki: how can i make ls use --color=always by default?
[16:23] <genie> hi every body, I am on 8.4 and when I install nvidia driver my screen goes to low resolutions once I disable it's goes back to resolutes 1024x768
[16:23] <genie> how to fix it this error?
[16:24] <orvokki> tech0007: You should be able to just put alias ls="ls --color=auto -F" to your .bashrc.
[16:24] <tech0007> orvokki: can i jst add that to .profile?
[16:24] <orvokki> Not a good idea.
[16:25] <tech0007> orvokki: why not?
[16:25] <sailaway85> is there  repositories down ie: Canada
[16:25] <orvokki> tech0007: Because initrc files are loaded in a sequence and you don't want your aliases to get overridden.
[16:25] <orvokki> tech0007: Use either .bash_profile or then do the echo I told and get to use .bashrc.
[16:26] <tech0007> orvokki: ok got it thanks
[16:37] <Fritzel> eh, I guess I can be pleased with that
[16:39] <Wobbo> hoi
[16:52] <geniehost> hi all
[16:52] <geniehost> how to shutdown x server?
[16:52] <tech0007> ctrl-alt-bckspace
[16:53] <geniehost> need to shut it down to install some things
[16:53] <geniehost> how to?
[16:54] <tech0007> switch to a vt, then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[16:54] <bobesponja> geniehost: Ctl+Alt+Backspace
[16:54] <geniehost> ctrl-alt+backspace will restart the x server
[16:54] <geniehost> thanks
[16:57] <alastair_> geniehost: if you need to turn it off completely, press ctrl-alt-f1, log in there, and do: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[16:57] <alastair_> geniehost: you can start it again with - guess what - sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[17:01] <geniehost> thanks guys, how to download the pre-compiled kernel for 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:02] <tech0007> you may already have it in /var/cache/apt/archives
[17:02] <Pici> Just grab the linux metapackage.
[17:03] <geniehost> how?
[17:07] <geniehost> hi again
[17:07] <geniehost> how to install kernel-source kernel-deve
[17:07] <Tuv0k> geniehost, use the package manager?
[17:07] <geniehost> from command?
[17:08] <geniehost> apt-get install not wroking?
[17:08] <Tuv0k> whats wrong with the GUI?
[17:08] <geniehost> it's shutdown at the moment
[17:08] <gregory> strangely the kernel headers are not shown in add/remove software
[17:09] <Tuv0k> gregory, fire up the real gui package manager SYNAPTIC?!?
[17:09] <geniehost> any one know how to download kernel-source and kernel-devel
[17:09] <gregory> Tuv0k: ah, didnt know about that. use apt-get normally
[17:09] <Tuv0k> geniehost, you've been told do not repeat your query every other line
[17:10] <IdleOne> !synaptic | geniehost
[17:10] <ubotu> geniehost: synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[17:10] <Tuv0k> gregory, you can use that as well, but have to know what you are doing
[17:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> geniehost: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[17:10] <IdleOne> Daisuke_Ido: probably a not using sudo issue
[17:10] <Tuv0k> make an effort to search and read readily availiable documentation
[17:10] <geniehost> thanks Daisuke_Ido
[17:10] <Tuv0k> thats what its there for
[17:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> IdleOne: of course sudo's required
[17:11] <IdleOne> Daisuke_Ido: I know that but he may not have :)
[17:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> Tuv0k: this isn't #debian, we actually try to help people/.
[17:11] <Tuv0k> lol
[17:11] <dfeuer> What's the current word on Thinkpad T61p trackpad (Synaptics) scrolling under Hardy?  What do I need to do to set it up?  Some xorg.conf sections seem to have changed between Gutsy and Hardy, and I don't want to screw things up.
[17:12] <Tuv0k> nit knowing about the default packamanager seems like they are not trying to help themselves. Is any effort required from a ubuntu user?
[17:12] <hischild> dfeuer, more or less everything that can be autodetected is autodetected in hardy
[17:12] <Ng> dfeuer: I disabled my touchpad so I may not be the best to ask, but I would recommend moving your /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere else and restarting X. The new xorg is really good at detecting hardware (at least for me it has been), and the Mouse preferences now covers synaptics stuff
[17:12] <geniehost> Daisuke_Laptop, this is what I got : Reading state information... Done
[17:12] <geniehost> linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic is already the newest version.
[17:12] <geniehost> linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic set to manually installed.
[17:12] <geniehost> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:12] <Ng> dfeuer: if it doesn't work, you can always move the xorg.conf back and then figure it out manually
[17:12] <AzaTht> dfeuer: I have no problem with my trackpad
[17:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> geniehost: then you already have the headers installed...
[17:13] <DevonSix> hello everyone
[17:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> Tuv0k: touche
[17:13] <dfeuer> Hmm
[17:13] <dfeuer> I'm on a clean Hardy install.
[17:13] <DevonSix> i have a problem with hardy heron
[17:13] <dfeuer> My trackpad works, but it doesn't scroll.
[17:13] <AzaTht> hmm
[17:13] <geniehost> Daisuke_Laptop, I am trying to install Nvidia driver and it's ask for source of my kernel
[17:14] <dfeuer> When I try to run the configuration utility,
[17:14] <DevonSix> it does not mount any USB devices like MP3/printer
[17:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> uh
[17:14] <dfeuer> it says I need to set an option in xorg.conf, but not what section that goes in.
[17:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> why are you installing it that way anyway?
[17:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> restricted driver manager
[17:14] <Ng> dfeuer: oh right. that'll be in the synaptics section
[17:14] <Ng> which should be an Inputdevice
[17:15] <dfeuer> Ng, said section ... doesn't exist.
[17:15] <geniehost> Daisuke_Laptop, I got problem with restricted driver
[17:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you're on hardy, system > administration > hardware drivers
[17:15] <geniehost> I am on 8.4
[17:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> geniehost: then you may have to do some googling to see how to do it, i have no experience and do not recommend installing drivers in that way.
[17:15] <tech0007> geniehost: check ubuntuforums.org
[17:16] <geniehost> Daisuke_Laptop, thanks any way
[17:16] <tech0007> geniehost: there's a lot of nvidia users out there
[17:16] <swuboo> Daisuke:  The Hardware Drivers applet seems pretty useless; it flatly denies that I'm using the nvidia driver I am.
[17:16] <Ng> dfeuer: dfeuer http://pastebin.com/f491664eb is my config, which includes that section
[17:16] <Pici> swuboo: How did you install the driver?
[17:17] <swuboo> Pici:  Synaptic.
[17:17] <dfeuer> Ng, how'd you end up with that?
[17:17] <Ng> dfeuer: fresh hardy install
[17:17] <Ng> but i think my gutsy one had a synaptics section. not sure, I play around with x configs quite a lot
[17:17] <dfeuer> Hmmm..
[17:18] <Ng> if you upgrade and there's an xorg.conf, the upgrader will not touch it, afaik. the idea being that if it's there it probably works and we don't want to break it
[17:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> Ng: minimal xorg.conf is part of hardy now
[17:18] <Ng> Daisuke_Laptop: indeed \o/
[17:18] <dfeuer> I didn't use the upgrader, Ng.
[17:18] <Ng> dfeuer: so yours is a fresh install?
[17:18] <dfeuer> Yep.
[17:19] <Ng> that's pretty weird
[17:19] <dfeuer> Repartitioned and all...
[17:19] <tech0007> but you can still tweak xorg.conf
[17:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> since i have hardware that i know will work with linux, i think i'll start playing with other distros on this laptop
[17:21] <dfeuer> Here goes nothing.
[17:32] <Annirak> I need to install VMWare player on Hardy and I've never installed VMWare player before.  Are there any howto's which might help me out?
[17:32] <Tuv0k> Annirak, google
[17:33] <Annirak> Tuv0k: Been there, done that.
[17:33] <Tuv0k> then you should be all set
[17:33] <Annirak> yeah, ok.  Except I wouldn't be in here if it had worked out.
[17:34] <Tuv0k> http://www.google.com/search?q=vmware+ubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[17:34] <Tuv0k> 3rd hit
[17:34] <Annirak> except that doesn't apply to hardy
[17:34] <Tuv0k> sure it does
[17:34] <Tuv0k> don't be lazy
[17:35] <Tuv0k> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[17:35] <hydrogen> use virtaulbox.
[17:36] <atlef> hydrogen: +1
[17:36] <Annirak> Tuv0k: Real helpful: Installing VMware Player
[17:36] <Annirak> Note: these installation instructions are not applicable in 7.10 or later.
[17:37] <Annirak> hydrogen: I need to be able to run a VM that already exists.    I'll try it out and see how it goes.
[17:41] <cwillu> Annirak, afaik virtualbox has support for vmware images
[17:42] <atlef> Annirak: just googled it, but hey, we all have to start somewhere.
[17:42] <Tuv0k> Annirak, fair question, I just want to show you that with minimal effort you can help yourself immensely. If nothing else you'll educate yourself so that you can ask specific questions which will reveal that you made an attempt, and you failed at a specific point. Then someone can pick you up from there. But its obvious, you have not tried very hard.
[17:43] <sivel27> hi everyone,
[17:43] <sivel27> i cannot for the life of me mount a slave hdd that was formatted previously by ubuntu. it does not come up when i type df, and im trying to do this via ssh from work.
[17:43] <cwillu> sivel27, what does the mount command spit back at you when you try to mount it?
[17:44] <sivel27> well, when i type the mount command, i see everything except the slave hdd
[17:44] <Annirak> Tuv0k: You're missing some information.  When I originally tried this, I went through three separate howto's which I found on Google.  Being that I didn't succeed in any of those, and this is something I need to do for work, other demands on my time halted my progress.  Since I didn't have time to look at it for 3 days, I don't remember the specifics of the failures.  What I do remember is...
[17:44] <Annirak> ...that they were release specific.  As in "this would have worked on gutsy"
[17:45] <cwillu> sivel27, no, the actual mount command to mount it
[17:45] <sivel27> well, i dont know what the slave is called.
[17:45] <mrtimdog> sivel27: Get the device from 'fdisk -l'
[17:45]  * cwillu 's head explodes
[17:46] <tech0007> lol
[17:46] <sivel27> nothing comes back w/ fdisk -l
[17:47] <tech0007> sivel27: what about 'dmesg | grep sd
[17:47] <Tuv0k> Annirak, Generally one can do things on the new release that were fine on the previous release. Like I'm running gutsy virtualbox packages on my hardy box, with no problems
[17:47] <alastair_> sivel27: you probably have to sudo fdisk -l
[17:48] <sivel27> ok, with the grep, i see a /dev/sdb
[17:48] <alastair_> tech0007: surely just dmesg | tail just in case there are USB messages
[17:48] <alastair_> oh
[17:48] <tech0007> alastair_: depends on the type of slave
[17:48] <cwillu> Annirak, but you are also missing some information:  we're not getting paid by your workplace, and you _did_ just come in here and effectively say  'google this for me, I'm too lazy'.  If you've tried a bunch of things, and had no success, then you should start by enumerating what you've tried so we don't have to go down the same blind alleys.  Unless you wanna give us your work's mailing address so we can submit bills for our time :p
[17:49] <sivel27> excellent, thanks alot
[17:49] <Tuv0k> cwillu, better than I could have put it
[17:49] <cwillu> and I mean that in as nice a way as possible :p
[17:50] <Tuv0k> naturally
[17:51] <beavis> hi, i updated to hardy, now it always sets the keyboard language from German to English. Everytime I reboot it sets ENG as default keyboard layout
[17:51] <cwillu> beavis, where are you setting it back to german?
[17:52] <beavis> keyboard-settings
[17:52] <Tuv0k> http://www.google.com/search?q=hardy+heron+keyboard+switches+from+german+to+english&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[17:52] <Tuv0k> bug #95886
[17:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95886 in ubiquity "Wrong keyboard layout after installation (US instead of FI)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95886
[17:53] <beavis> cool, thanks! Ill take a look at this bug
[17:53] <Tuv0k> ;)
[17:53] <cwillu> Tuv0k, I don't think he got the joke :p
[17:53] <Tuv0k> gotta luv google
[17:56] <veloxid> Hi I've a problem with centrino speedstepping, my cpu is running on 600Mhz, although it can run with 2Ghz
[17:58] <beavis> hmm thats the bug with no solution,
[17:58] <gunashekar> hmm
[18:00] <Niklas_E> is there any gui for xmms2 that is same like xmms?
[18:00] <Niklas_E> or can you install xmms with synaptic?
[18:00] <veloxid> beavis: Do you mean my problem?
[18:01] <beavis> I of course googled for the solution of the wrong keyboard layout and even got this bug number, I thought you guys send me another bug number
[18:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> Niklas_E: check out audacious
[18:01] <Tuv0k> Niklas_E, I wondered the same thing
[18:01] <Tuv0k> Niklas_E, then I googled xmms2, and ended up on their website and found the answer
[18:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> xmms is an incredibly outdated music player at best, a crufty piece of junk at worst
[18:01] <Tuv0k> xmms2 uses clients
[18:02] <Tuv0k> there are a list of clients on their webpage
[18:02] <Niklas_E> aha
[18:02] <Tuv0k> if I were too laxy to do that, I'd just search synaptic for xmms2
[18:02] <Tuv0k> I use xmms2 with gkrellm
[18:03] <Tuv0k> xmms2 is now a server daemon
[18:03] <Tuv0k> xmms2d
[18:03] <Tuv0k> get the systray for it
[18:03] <Niklas_E> aha
[18:03] <Tuv0k> I like esperanza as well
[18:03] <Tuv0k> there is a gkrellm2 plugin for it as well
[18:04] <Tuv0k> Niklas_E, it takes some getting used to
[18:04] <chester_m> hi...is Hardy Heron now stable??
[18:04] <chester_m> i mean. usable? :p
[18:04] <binarical-app> its pretty usable
[18:04] <Tuv0k> chester_m, I've been using it since it was announced
[18:04] <Tuv0k> :/
[18:04] <Tuv0k> ymmv
[18:04] <binarical-app> i find it to be alot better then it was 2 months ago
[18:04] <tech0007> chester_m: depends on the hardware & user :P
[18:04] <chester_m> ...
[18:05] <topyli> Tuv0k: the xmms2 client is a "systray" applet?
[18:05] <Tuv0k> in a nutshell
[18:05] <chester_m> i'm thinking about using it
[18:05] <chester_m> where i can find a featured list?
[18:05] <binarical-app> what pc are you running it on chester_m
[18:05] <topyli> that's the most horrible use of the notification area i've heard lately
[18:05] <bipolar> chester_m: I'm using it daily.
[18:05] <Tuv0k> topyli, the systray applet makes it easier to enable and manipulate
[18:05] <Tuv0k> "xmms2tray" is the name
[18:06] <topyli> Tuv0k: it has no business being there though :)
[18:06] <bobbo_>
[18:06] <Tuv0k> ??
[18:06] <topyli> Tuv0k: it's the notification area. it's for notifications :)
[18:06] <bobbo_> HI
[18:06] <chester_m> binarical-app, a notebook fujitsu (p4 2.8, 512mb ram, 60gb HD, ati 9200 mobility - 64mb dedicated)
[18:06] <chester_m> what do u think'
[18:06] <chester_m> '
[18:06] <swubo1> topyli:  I dunno, that seems like a pretty decent use for the notification area.
[18:06] <chester_m> ?
[18:07] <topyli> swubo1: i don't see  what controlling a music stream has to do with notifying you of events
[18:08] <swubo1> topyli:  It doesn't; but that doesn't mean they can't share real estate.
[18:08] <Tuv0k> right
[18:08] <swubo1> topyli:  After all, the system indexer and the logout button are hardly notifications of events either.
[18:08] <Tuv0k> I can use the tray or gkrellm or the clients main interface
[18:08] <Tuv0k> they all are aware of the other
[18:08] <topyli> applets are more than welcome in the panel. notification icons and bubbles have a different purpose though
[18:08] <marijus_1> *sub
[18:09] <topyli> just because nm-applet and gaim have raped it, doesn't mean everybody should keep doing it :(
[18:09] <Tuv0k> using xmms2 pulseaudio plugin as well
[18:10] <swubo1> topyli:  I suppose that's fair.  It's just never bothered me much to have other things there.
[18:10] <binarical-app> chester_m : it seems like now the only problem would be with sound ( headphones) other wise as far as i can tell hardy will run well on your model
[18:10] <topyli> swubo1: the logout button is not in the notification area, it's a proper panel applet. the tracker icon is in the wrong place
[18:11] <topyli> swubo1: at least it does notify you when the indexing is going wrong or some other interesting event happens
[18:11] <chester_m> hm...it's stable?
[18:11] <chester_m> i mean..not much bugs?
[18:11] <Tuv0k> so long as there is someone to report bugs, there will be bugs
[18:11] <Tuv0k> much, is relative
[18:12] <topyli> short answer: yes, there are many bugs :)
[18:12] <AzaTht> wonder if I could get my fingerprint scanner to work in my tx1270
[18:12] <binarical-app> chester_m: hardy will be released at the end of the month, you can give it a go now or wait untill then, there wont be much of a difference. if you cant find work arounds , you should wait a bit after its release to get a "perfect" os
[18:12] <AzaTht> or would that be a lost cause?
[18:13] <binarical-app> nothing is impossible
[18:13] <zxc`> I guys I encountered some problems w/ audio using snd_hda intel
[18:14] <zxc`> easily sound doesn't work
[18:14] <zxc`> looking on launchpad I saw that this is a note bug but i didn't find a solution
[18:14] <AzaTht> google://fingerprint+tx1000 gives most (except fingerprint bla bla bla)
[18:15] <binarical-app> you could always try reverse engineering the software
[18:15] <binarical-app> ..........
[18:15] <AzaTht> ha ha
[18:15] <Tuv0k> zxc`, #ubuntu-bugs
[18:16] <Araneidae> A very odd change from Sarge to Hardy: my /media names have changed completely.
[18:16] <Araneidae> My CDROM used to be called /media/cdrom0, but now the name changed with each CD.
[18:16] <Araneidae> This is actually a right pain
[18:17] <AzaTht> lightscribe-<IP_ADDRESS>-linux-2.6-intel.deb
[18:17] <AzaTht> they released an deb 28' marcj
[18:17] <Araneidae> For example, `eject` no longer works.
[18:17] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, I have /media/cdrom0
[18:17] <AzaTht> http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadsection/linux/index.aspx?id=1372
[18:17] <swubo1> Araneidae:  Now that you mention it, mine's doing the same.  Worse, apparently every time I plug in my external, it creates a new directory, each time adding an underscore to the existing name.
[18:18] <SuperQ> Are there nightly hardy CD images that could use testing?
[18:18] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, with a symlink to /media/cdrom
[18:18] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, eject still works
[18:18] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, if its installed on your system
[18:18] <Araneidae> Tuv0k, I have the same ... but when I insert a CD it isn't mounted in /media/cdrom0
[18:19] <Araneidae> Do you have a /media/cdrom0 directory when nothing is in the CD drive?
[18:20] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, weird, yes
[18:20] <Araneidae> So at the moment I have /media/cdrom0 and /media/floppy0 (I wonder what that thinks it is!) and links
[18:20] <SuperQ> ok, g00g answered my question :)
[18:20] <Araneidae> So now I'll insert my CD
[18:20] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, might want to check your fstab?
[18:20] <Tuv0k> its for floppies of course
[18:21] <Tuv0k> I have a usb stick in as well @ /media/disk
[18:21] <Araneidae> Floppies.  Yes.  I wonder where they'll go? ;)
[18:21] <Tuv0k> SuperQ, gotta luv google
[18:21] <mrtimdog> Araneidae: what does 'eject -d' show.
[18:21] <Araneidae> So, floppy0 is in fstab
[18:21] <SuperQ> Tuv0k: :)
[18:21] <Araneidae> eject: default device: `cdrom`
[18:22] <Araneidae> However, my cd has mounted itself as /media/rtcw !
[18:22] <SuperQ> Get to install a nice shiny new Thinkpad T61 tonight
[18:22] <Tuv0k> >/media/rtcw ????
[18:22] <mrtimdog> Araneidae: and 'ls -sl /dev/cdrom' ?
[18:22] <Araneidae> mount says /dev/scd0 on /media/rtcw...
[18:22] <Araneidae> ls -ls /dev/cdrom
[18:22] <Araneidae> sorry
[18:23] <AzaTht> eh, Why does the "Hardware testing" give question about the keyboard?
[18:23] <Araneidae> No such file or directory.  Interesting...
[18:23] <AzaTht> it's not really you can utilize it if your keyboard isn't working
[18:23] <AzaTht> same for the mouse
[18:23] <swubo1> Araneidae:  At least you don't have eight different directories for the same external drive filling your /media directory, eh?
[18:23] <Araneidae> Very interesting.  My CD from is actually /dev/scd0, but fstab thinks it's on /dev/hdc
[18:24] <Araneidae> ls -l /dev/cdrom
[18:24] <Araneidae> ach
[18:24] <mrtimdog> Araneidae: Looks like an old fstab.
[18:24] <cwillu> Araneidae, 2.6.22 (or so) changed the subsystem used for ide devices, changing all the names from hd*'s to sd*'s
[18:24] <Araneidae> ahh -- but I have a /dev/dvd1
[18:25] <mrtimdog> Araneidae: Symlinked to? ...
[18:25] <Araneidae> well well: /dev/dvd1 => scd0
[18:25] <Araneidae> So.  Maybe all I have to do is hack fstab.
[18:25] <Tuv0k> yeah, I went through this a few weeks ago when I added a dvd rom
[18:25] <Tuv0k> yup
[18:26] <Araneidae> Well, come to think of that, I did that a week before the upgrade
[18:26] <Tuv0k> I had to create a dvd folder, symlink edit the fstab
[18:26] <Tuv0k> I hate doing it
[18:26] <Araneidae> yes, I'm wondering where eject picks it up from
[18:27] <Tuv0k> the symlink me thinks
[18:27] <Tuv0k> the fstab and mtab
[18:27] <mrtimdog> Araneidae: You should only need to change the fstab. You shouldn't need to change anything in /dev.
[18:27] <Araneidae> But which symlink: `eject -d` reports cdrom, but I can't think where that's specified.
[18:27] <Araneidae> Ok, quick fstab hack coming up...
[18:28] <Tuv0k> mrtimdog, yeah I did not touch /dev
[18:28] <Araneidae> Dodgy to touch /dev, as some of the devices are auto created
[18:28] <Tuv0k> just edited /media and fstab
[18:29] <AzaTht> Was going to try update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LightScribe
[18:29] <AzaTht> but it wont allow me
[18:29] <AzaTht> (hate wikis with lousy wiki software)
[18:29] <mrtimdog> On the subject of filesystems... Anyone managed to read a Acorn ADFS (RISCOS) 1.44M floppy image? Small change, but worth asking! (Yes, I've googled! ;)
[18:30] <mrtimdog> 'Small chance' even!
[18:30] <Tuv0k> negative
[18:30] <AzaTht> mrtimdog: 1.44?
[18:30] <AzaTht> does those exist still?
[18:31]  * cwillu had to walk somebody through plugging in a 3.5" floppy drive the other day
[18:31] <mrtimdog> AzaTht: I maybe wrong there, but I think it is. No, they don't, but I've just found a box from my loft of some old stuff I wrote about 20 years ago!
[18:31] <Tuv0k> cwillu, wow
[18:31] <AzaTht> hehe
[18:31] <swubo1> AzaTht: 1.44 nothin, I've got a working 5.25" in my machine.
[18:31] <Tuv0k> cwillu, how old were they? 16?
[18:31] <Araneidae> Well.  'mkdir /media/dvd0 && ln -s dvd0 /media/dvd' and pointing /dev/scd0 to /media/dvd0 seems to have worked
[18:31] <AzaTht> swubo1: I remember those
[18:32] <swubo1> Or, at least, I assume it works.  I haven't found a working diskette for it, so it's kind of anyone's guess.
[18:32] <Araneidae> Blast: `eject -d` still reports cdrom
[18:32] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, thats what I did
[18:32] <AzaTht> mrtimdog: isn't it just plug it in and read /dev/fd0?
[18:32] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, thats not unnormal
[18:32] <Araneidae> sigh.  Well, I'll live
[18:33] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, thats the default device
[18:33] <swubo1> AzaTht:  I think he's looking for a way to read an old filesystem, rather than the diskette itself.
[18:33] <mrtimdog> AzaTht: Yeah, I can read the raw image, but not mount it.
[18:33] <AzaTht> aha
[18:33] <AzaTht> I see
[18:33] <Tuv0k> but with the eject cmd you can specify which drive to eject
[18:33] <Araneidae> I wonder though if file system iso9660 is the right setting for /dev/dvd0
[18:33] <Araneidae> Well, I'm good for now
[18:34] <AzaTht> mrtimdog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Disc_Filing_System
[18:34] <mrtimdog> Araneidae: Use 'udf,iso9660'
[18:34] <Turski> *** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused  :/
[18:34] <Araneidae> Good: that's what I'd copied from /dev/cdrom0
[18:34] <flo_> Arrg. So i installed hardy and i can log in but after that my keaborad doesn't word (left half of the letters word basicly as if they were numpad) but that's it...
[18:34] <flo_> Any suggestions ?
[18:34] <tech0007> Turski: check if pulseaudio is running...ps aux | grep pulseaudio
[18:35] <AzaTht> mrtimdog: http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117259
[18:35] <Turski> turski   16498  0.0  0.0   3012   784 pts/3    S+   20:35   0:00 grep pulseaudio
[18:35] <swubo1> flo_:  Did you check that the keyboard is set to the correct layout?
[18:35] <tech0007> Turski:  so you have to manually start it...pulseaudio &
[18:35] <mrtimdog> AzaTht: Thanks, I've seen that. I've succeeded in reading type L and D, but not types E and E+ and F, which I'm assuming the format is in :(
[18:35] <AzaTht> kk
[18:36] <flo_> swubo1: jep even in xorg.conf
[18:36] <Turski> tech0007: doesnt that mean that it's running? O_o
[18:36] <AzaTht> mrtimdog: send them to norway then if you must have the data, (or have lots of $)
[18:36] <swubo1> flo_:  Oh.  Um... dunno then.
[18:36] <Turski> ah, it is just grep running? :P
[18:36] <tech0007> Turski: uhuh
[18:38] <AzaTht> mrtimdog: either that, or seek on a more hardcore place than ubuntu, there's probably more probabillity that someone around at debian can hack a hack
[18:38] <veloxid> hi: have hardy and want to start modprobe acpi_cpufreq but it tells me no such device
[18:39] <mrtimdog> AzaTht: Thanks, it's not anything urgent, just old memories! I may put some real effort into it at some time, before the disks become so old they're unreadable!
[18:39] <swubo1> mrtimdog:  You can read the raw data, right?  Even if you can't mount it, couldn't you copy the data to a more stable medium?
[18:39] <veloxid> any one who can help me with that prob?
[18:40] <AzaTht> herhe
[18:40] <mrtimdog> swubo1: I can and have some of them, but I've a fair few - most I've still to scrape the dust off!
[18:40] <swubo1> mrtimdog:  Good, good.  I mean, I'd hate to think of old memories just dying of bitrot like that.
[18:41] <mrtimdog> :)
[18:41] <swubo1> mrtimdog:  I still remember with utter horror the day I discovered that the diskettes for every single game I had as a child were corrupt.
[18:42] <Double_D> wtf?
[18:46] <AzaTht> ok, this is rather strange, but isn't the screensaver hell going to get fixed to hardy?
[18:46] <swubo1> Dark indeed was the afternoon I realized that Mickey Mouse's Space Adventure was gone forever.
[18:46] <AzaTht> there was a thread about it TWO years ago
[18:47] <veloxid> anyone who has time and can try to help me?
[18:48] <daekdroom> It'd be easier to just say what you need.
[18:48] <Tuv0k> !ask |veloxid
[18:48] <ubotu> veloxid: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[18:48] <jaffarkelshac> whats your problem, someone might be able to
[18:48] <veloxid> my centrino is clocked with 600 mhz all the time allthough i've a centrino-m 2ghz
[18:49] <Tuv0k> its called scaling
[18:49] <Tuv0k> use your machine, and see if it spikes to 2g
[18:50] <Tuv0k> use a cpu scaling applet to monitor
[18:50] <veloxid> the scaling isnt working
[18:50] <swubo1> veloxid:  So it's just stuck at 600mhz, regardless of how much load you're putting on it?
[18:50] <veloxid> jep
[18:50] <Tuv0k> how have to tested it?
[18:51] <daekdroom> powernowd is probally not set to ondemand
[18:51] <veloxid> started the performance monitor and started a program which is calculating a lot, the cpu load was on nearly 100% for a while
[18:52] <swubo1> You sure it didn't scale up to 2ghz while that was happening?
[18:52] <jaffarkelshac> i need to convert ogg files, and is there any good video editor?
[18:52] <veloxid> yes
[18:52] <Tuv0k> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=248867
[18:53] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, avidumux
[18:53] <Tuv0k> (sp)
[18:53] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
[18:54] <Tuv0k> best video editor I use
[18:54] <jaffarkelshac> thanks
[18:54] <Tuv0k> np
[18:55] <Tuv0k> veloxid, http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/11/04/enabling-cpu-frequency-scaling/
[18:55] <veloxid> if I do: "modprobe speedstep-centrino" it tells me error inserting speedstep_centrino: No such device
[18:55] <mnemo> my microphone isn't working... what info should I include in the bug report?
[18:56] <Tuv0k> not so sure its a bug
[18:56] <Tuv0k> maybe hardware related
[18:56] <Tuv0k> user related
[18:56] <Tuv0k> config related
[18:56] <veloxid> mhh k
[18:57] <swubo1> veloxid:  You could try turning off the SpeedStep option in your BIOS, if your BIOS lets you.
[18:58] <veloxid> no it doesnt let me
[18:58] <swubo1> Bugger.
[18:59] <AzaTht> is it to late to exclude gnome-screensaver for hardy?
[19:00] <topyli> AzaTht: yes. gnome-screensaver has been default for quite a while and still is
[19:01] <swubo1> veloxid:  Synaptic has a package called powersaved, it might help, but I honestly don't know.
[19:01] <veloxid> swubo1: just found something on a german side and now will test it
[19:01] <swubo1> Good luck.
[19:01] <AzaTht> topyli: it's borked beyond hell
[19:01] <topyli> AzaTht: quick! still time to fix :)
[19:01] <AzaTht> it should have been removed two years ago :(
[19:02] <topyli> AzaTht: and you mention it now?
[19:02] <swubo1> I wouldn't know, my cat hunts screensavers and I don't want him slashing the LCD.
[19:02] <AzaTht> topyli: it has been mentioned many times
[19:02] <topyli> AzaTht: yes there's always someone who misses xscreensaver
[19:03] <AzaTht> topyli: mostly that you can't make configurations in gnome-screensaver
[19:03] <unicum> got a question here.. i just set up an ubuntu 7.10 which came out of the box with lilo (alternate install). if i update to hardy, will this change it to grub or will it stay lilo?
[19:04] <hischild> unicum, probably stay at lilo
[19:04] <unicum> hischild: uhm.. since i finally got a "triple boot" working, which is better with lilo than grub.. a probably is not really the answer i'm looking for
[19:04] <topyli> AzaTht: you want more control, switch to the UI that provides it
[19:05] <hischild> unicum, well it's the best i can give you. And IMO i'd prefer grub for a triple boot
[19:05] <AzaTht> topyli: and yea, one major bug: the screensaver "matrix-view" has an "knoppix.ru" image ツ
[19:05] <AzaTht> topyli: xscreensaver-demo?
[19:06] <topyli> AzaTht: yeah. all you need to do is remove gnome-screensaver and install xscreensaver. it will show up in your menu just like gnome-ss
[19:06] <unicum> hischild.. usually grub will write over the mbr, wich is really not good trying to have macosx, winxp and linux on one hd
[19:07] <topyli> AzaTht: it's like whining about xchat-gnome when you can easily use whatever you like if you don't like the defaults :)
[19:07] <hischild> unicum, it will write over the mbr, but i know for a fact it can boot xp, vista and 2 versions of linux just fine. About mac i'm not sure.
[19:08] <daekdroom> When will RC be released?
[19:09] <unicum> hischild it's certainly right, that grub can do multi-boot, but since i'm using refit (refit.sourceforge.net) for booting and don't want to chainload (lilo is only there to initialize linux) i'm fine with lilo
[19:09] <hischild> unicum, i understand and i wish you the best of luck. I'm afraid i can't help out on it.
[19:10] <AzaTht> topyli: but isn't it bad if the default settings for an screensaver in gnome-screensaver makes ad for knoppix? ツ
[19:10] <murlidhar> so when is 8.10 coming out? :)
[19:10] <mnemo> 24th
[19:10] <unicum> hischild: plus: like a thousand howto's out there (on triple booting macs) say "don't use grub"
[19:10] <topyli> AzaTht: yes. report it as a bug
[19:10] <unicum> well, i'll just try, thx anyway
[19:10] <mnemo> murlidhar: 24th+6months
[19:11] <topyli> murlidhar: october
[19:11] <daekdroom> What's 8.10 codename?
[19:12] <topyli> itrepid ibex or something :\
[19:12] <swubo1> Indignant Ibis?
[19:12] <Turski> Intrepid Ibex i think...
[19:13] <topyli> intrepid ibex. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-February/025136.html
[19:13] <murlidhar> its intrepid ibex
[19:13] <swubo1> No accounting for taste, I guess.
[19:14] <jaffarkelshac> i just installled avidemux, all the format ogg is not in it
[19:14] <jaffarkelshac> i just installled avidemux, all the format ogg is not in it Tuv0k
[19:14] <Tuv0k> aye
[19:14] <Tuv0k> Thoggen creates ogg video
[19:15] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=329511
[19:15] <Kenshi_> Hello guys
[19:15] <Tuv0k> use google like I did
[19:16] <Tuv0k> !ask | Kenshi_
[19:16] <ubotu> Kenshi_: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[19:16] <Kenshi_> I have a question about ATI drivers on Hardy.
[19:16] <Kenshi_> I've installed fglrx by restricted drivers manager
[19:16] <Tuv0k> !restricted | Kenshi_
[19:16] <ubotu> Kenshi_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[19:17] <sweetsinse> anyone know why the "open with" applications list does not work for me in XFCE hardy/Gutsy? firefox 3
[19:18] <Kenshi_> And now, everytime i enable compiz, i get a white screen. When i try to detect the ATI driver, Ubuntu says that i'm using Mesa driver. Already have tried to reinstall, both by restricted drivers manager and Envy NG. None worked. What's happening? (ATI 9600 pro)
[19:18] <Tuv0k> nope, works fine here
[19:19] <sweetsinse> Tuv0k are you running xfce or gnome
[19:19] <AzaTht> topyli: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/22007
[19:19] <Tuv0k> xfce4
[19:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 22007 in gnome-screensaver "no 'Settings' button in gnome-screensaver" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[19:19] <sweetsinse> damn why isnt mine w3rking
[19:20] <sweetsinse> i cant get firefox to open anything
[19:20] <baffle> I have noticed a strange bug on my laptop (IBM T42) Hardy installation. "hald-addon-input" consumes all CPU and makes the system really sluggish until I kill it. Looking at strace outputs, it seems to fail polling one of the /dev/input/event1, wich seems to point to ../../devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input1/event1 .. Is this a known bug?
[19:20] <jaffarkelshac> what app do you guys use for podcasts
[19:20] <DaZ> Kenshi_: can you show me your xorg.conf
[19:20] <Tuv0k> sweetsinse, I think I know what you mena, and I think its because FF3 is not finished
[19:21] <Tuv0k> the applications list is empty right?
[19:21] <DaZ> ahh, i thought it's different channel, it's ubuntu fault then \o/
[19:21] <Tuv0k> save the file to the desktop then right click the file to associate it with the apropo app
[19:22] <topyli> AzaTht: thanks but i'm more than familiar with this discussion, as well as the one upstream
[19:22] <sweetsinse> yeah
[19:22] <sweetsinse> not a single thing in there...  but i remeber it working back on beta 1 or 2
[19:23] <sweetsinse> my system opens them fine
[19:23] <sweetsinse> its just ff3
[19:23] <Tuv0k> yeah, I thnk its just ff3
[19:23] <Tuv0k> nothing to be alramed by
[19:23] <topyli> AzaTht: upstream won't fix this bug because they don't think it is one. your only option is to use xscreensaver, which is easy enough to do
[19:23] <AzaTht> topyli: hehe
[19:24] <AzaTht> topyli: the xfx thingi then?
[19:24] <sweetsinse> but if it works for you in xfce4 then i am missing something
[19:24] <AzaTht> pretty much at the end
[19:24] <topyli> AzaTht: whet xfx thing?
[19:24] <Tuv0k> sweetsinse, it does not work for me, after understanding your question
[19:24] <topyli> what even
[19:25] <jaffarkelshac> what app do you guys use for podcasts
[19:25] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, we heard you the first time
[19:25] <Tuv0k> !flood
[19:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[19:25] <Tuv0k> wron thing bot
[19:25] <sweetsinse> yeah...  it makes you manually find the app for every file, its suppose to pull from /etc/mime.types and ~/.local/share/applications/defaults.list
[19:26] <Tuv0k> sweetsinse, your right, it does not, maybe file a bug report?
[19:26] <AzaTht> topyli: xfx made a new screensaver setting program
[19:26] <jaffarkelshac> how was i suppose to know, and thats not flooding, i am just repeating Tuv0k
[19:26] <Tuv0k> I know its not flooding
[19:26] <topyli> AzaTht: nice. what's xfx
[19:26] <AzaTht> topyli: a dude
[19:26] <Tuv0k> but if you see the text, we do as well
[19:26] <diefordethklok> Hey, could anyway one tell me if this laptop would work with ubuntu? I have to buy it in the summer, and would like to put my one of my first distributions on it :). Here is a screenshot of the specs: http://i32.tinypic.com/2drx3wp.png
[19:26] <baffle> jaffarkelshac: Applications -> Add/Remove -> Search: podcast
[19:26] <topyli> AzaTht: so?
[19:27] <topyli> AzaTht: if it's good, use it
[19:27] <AzaTht> http://software.xfx.net/utilities/sss/index.htm
[19:27] <Kenshi_> Daz
[19:27] <Tuv0k> diefordethklok, it'd work
[19:27] <AzaTht> topyli: havn't tested it
[19:27] <diefordethklok> Good to know :) Thank you Tuv0k
[19:27] <Tuv0k> np
[19:27] <Tuv0k> most anything will work
[19:27] <ayllu> Hi, I get this bug whit synce in hardy "Couldn't display "synce:///". Nautilus cannot handle synce: locations." any ideas
[19:28] <jaffarkelshac> i only ask coz, banshee and rhythmbox are rubish really
[19:28] <Tuv0k> ayllu, google that error
[19:28] <AzaTht> gonna test it
[19:28] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, are you trying to podcast or listen to podcast
[19:28] <diefordethklok> We're being forced to buy the laptop by my high school, and I still can't believe the idiots put norton av on it.
[19:28] <ayllu> i try it i get no anwser, i found some post, but no solution
[19:28] <veloxid> hey
[19:29] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, miro you could try
[19:29] <jaffarkelshac> its a video podcast
[19:29] <swubo1> diefordethklok:  Your high school is making you buy a laptop with four gigs of RAM?
[19:29] <topyli> AzaTht: okay. looks like he added a properties button
[19:29] <ayllu> It seem a problem whit the new version of nautilus that replace genomefvs to gvfs
[19:29] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, are you creating a podcast or subscribing to one?
[19:29] <veloxid> still have the problem with the speedstepping
[19:29] <jaffarkelshac> subscribing
[19:29] <swubo1> diefordethklok:  That's [guitar noise] brutal.
[19:30] <Tuv0k> miro
[19:30] <ayllu> but, i coudent get a solution, i tring to find it for several weeks, but it seem to be a wired problem
[19:31] <diefordethklok> swubo, Idk either
[19:32] <topyli> ayllu: there are protocols still unsupported by gvfs. not much you can do
[19:32] <veloxid> Tuv0k: u said it is a user or kernel setting error? have you an idea what to do?
[19:32] <ayllu> thenks
[19:33] <topyli> ayllu: obexfs is supported but doesn't work very well. ftpes:// is not supported. dav:// and davs:// are funky. even ftp:// was added only recently
[19:33] <Tuv0k> veloxid, I don't believe my comment was directed to you, I'm sorry
[19:33] <veloxid> ah ok
[19:33] <veloxid> sry
[19:33] <Tuv0k> :)
[19:35] <veloxid> i do not understand the problem cant tart powernowd, cpufreqd or anything else
[19:38] <alastair_> Here's an issue. In order to play wow and still be able to change desktop I have to turn all effects off. However, when I turn them all back on again, all my settings have reset.
[19:39] <teamcobra> hrm, what's the status of the b43 modules in the latest kernel? it seems 2.6.24-12 is the last version that properly loads them
[19:39] <gunashekar> yea
[19:40] <teamcobra> in the later kernels, I can modprobe the b43 driver, and dmesg doesn't give _any_ output
[19:40] <teamcobra> ok, just making sure I'm not the only one
[19:40] <gunashekar> i guess we all are stuck with the broadcom mess
[19:41] <diefordethklok> I've given up on linux gaming
[19:41] <alastair_> I find it better
[19:41] <diefordethklok> I just dual boot now
[19:41] <alastair_> I can be condescending to fellow gamers
[19:42] <alastair_> Since all I play is wow it's no issue ... except I can't change desktop
[19:42] <diefordethklok> Heh
[19:42] <diefordethklok> I play wow, test drive unlimited, portal, tf2, hl2, etc.
[19:42] <nemo> alastair_: Spring personally
[19:42] <gunashekar> teamcobra: i gave up reinstalling the frimware n stuff
[19:42] <alastair_> I'm used to turning compiz off to play wow, but I'm also used to it remembering my settings when I turn it back on again.
[19:44] <giggsey> How can I setup my dual monitors?
[19:44] <giggsey> At the moment, they are mirroring each other (stuck at 800x600), when they should be seperate, one 1600x1200 and the other 1024x768
[19:45] <diefordethklok> What drivers?
[19:45] <teamcobra> guna: it doesn't even seem to be related to the firmware
[19:45] <teamcobra> it seems like the module itself
[19:45] <diefordethklok> gfx card I mean
[19:45] <cvd-pr> its there awayn to make ubuntu shutdown after downloads the updates?
[19:46] <giggsey> diefordethklok, ati radeon
[19:46] <teamcobra> cvd-pr: I think there's an option in synaptic for that
[19:46] <teamcobra> I could be wrong
[19:46] <alastair_> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo shutdown -h now;
[19:46] <gunashekar> hmm
[19:46] <alastair_> :P
[19:47] <teamcobra> alastair: heh, the semicolon saves the day again
[19:47] <giggsey> alastair_, but when the sudo session expires because upgrade takes too long?
[19:47] <teamcobra> has saved me a lot of time in the past decade
[19:47] <swubo1> Well, at that point, couldn't you use su rather than sudo?
[19:48] <alastair_> giggsey: sudo su -
[19:48] <alastair_> then the same without the sudos
[19:48] <alastair_> actually that's not the preferred invocation any more is it?
[19:49] <Ravenkin>  Can someone help me?  Installed Hardy, have dual monitors and while updating went to so application that looked like it worked dual monitors, rebooted my computer and now the resoluations are completely messed up and I can't open screen resolution in system.
[19:50] <giggsey> Ravenkin, sort of the same problem, lol
[19:50] <teamcobra> giggsey/ravenkin: using the fglrx drivers?
[19:50] <Ravenkin> teamcobra how do I find that out?
[19:50] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone use vmware
[19:50] <Tuv0k> Ravenkin, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4712095
[19:50] <DJones> Ravenkin: Have you asked in #ubuntu+1, thats the main support channel for Hardy at the minute
[19:50] <Tuv0k> !vmware
[19:50] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[19:50] <giggsey> teamcobra, I'm using the ati drivers
[19:51] <swubo1> DJones:  This is ubuntu+1, isn't it?
[19:51] <unicum> hischild, you still there??
[19:51] <Ravenkin> DJones we're in #ubuntu+1
[19:51] <gunashekar> DJones: ????
[19:51] <teamcobra> Ravenkin, run glxinfo in a terminal
[19:51] <Tuv0k> !virtualizers | jaffarkelshac
[19:51] <ubotu> jaffarkelshac: There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[19:51] <DJones> sorry, too many tabs open
[19:51] <Gnine> irssi
[19:51] <teamcobra> it should _not_ say mesa dri
[19:52] <teamcobra> giggsey: isn't there an ati control center applet that controls dualhead?
[19:52] <giggsey> I dunno
[19:52] <Ravenkin> teamcobra ok now what?
[19:52] <jaffarkelshac> thanks Tuv0k
[19:52] <giggsey> aticonfig - *looks into it*
[19:52] <teamcobra> ravenkin: it says that you're using ati opengl drivers (or fglrx)
[19:52] <teamcobra> nop, not aticonfig
[19:52] <Tuv0k> np
[19:52] <teamcobra> it might be an extra package in hardy, 1 sec
[19:53] <unicum> or anyone here, know a bit about lilo? i just upgraded to hardy, but for some reason i'm still booting into gutsy. should i just "outcomment" the "vmlinuz.old"-part in lilo.conf?
[19:53] <Tuv0k> !lilo
[19:53] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li]nux Boot[Lo]ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[19:54] <bink486> how is the battery life with hardy?
[19:54] <unicum> i know about grub, but let's not get into this.. on the setup i'm having here, it's recommended to use lilo over grub
[19:54] <Tuv0k> gl
[19:54] <unicum> i just wanna know how to get hardy to boot
[19:54] <Tuv0k> you should know how to use your boot loader
[19:54] <Tuv0k> man lilo
[19:54] <Tuv0k> google lilo
[19:55] <unicum> i know how to google too.. i just found it helpful to ask questions directly to people who know..
[19:55] <swubo1> That is rather the point of this channel, I daresay.
[19:56] <Gnine> technically speaking that's not a 8.04 system issue
[19:56] <Tuv0k> ubuntu does not use lilo, is that hard to comprehend?
[19:56] <teamcobra> giggsey, ok.... looks like the only way to get the control center is to intall the ati drivers by hand (ati.amd.com)
[19:56] <Tuv0k> basically
[19:57] <orvokki> unicum: Something like #lilo might be a better channel if you have bootloader-spesific questions.
[19:58] <Gnine> !boot
[19:58] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[19:59] <Gnine> as you can see ubotu does even have info on lilo
[19:59] <sweetsinse> anyone got some ides why the "open with" applications list doesnt work in FF3
[19:59] <Gnine> not
[19:59] <gunashekar> !lilo
[19:59] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li]nux Boot[Lo]ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[19:59] <Tuv0k> sweetsinse, we've covered that
[19:59] <Tuv0k> its BETA
[20:00] <sweetsinse> so what
[20:00] <Gnine> !bug
[20:00] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[20:00] <Tuv0k> file a bug thne
[20:00] <bardyr> is jeos suppose to install openoffice and gimp?
[20:01] <sweetsinse> there is always a solution i will keep looking
[20:01]  * Tuv0k rolls eyes
[20:02] <gunashekar> keep looking.. there will be a solution one day
[20:02] <Gnine> JeOS is a specialized installation of Ubuntu Server Edition with a tuned kernel that only contains the base elements needed to run within a virtualized environment.
[20:02] <sweetsinse> the thing is im writing a scrtipt for my company
[20:02] <sweetsinse> i am trying to convert the whole office to xfce hady
[20:03] <Tuv0k> uh oh
[20:04] <gunashekar> good luck sweetsinse
[20:04] <Ubuntu--Newbie> Hi all I need a little help..
[20:04] <Tuv0k> lol
[20:04] <Tuv0k> I knew it
[20:04] <Ubuntu--Newbie> I installed VirtualBox from the Add/remove
[20:04] <Luckrider> so... sometime soon I am my friend is going to have me upgrade his virus infected windows comp to Ubuntu (after a demonstration from mine). I am going to use Hardy, but does nyone have instillation suggestions?
[20:04] <Tuv0k> !ask | Ubuntu--Newbie
[20:04] <ubotu> Ubuntu--Newbie: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[20:05] <sweetsinse> i have almost everything worked out... evolution works completely with our exchange server.. mail/calanders/GAL
[20:05] <Luckrider> I want to just throw the disk in so that his file transfer
[20:05] <Tuv0k> Luckrider, folow the prompts
[20:05] <Luckrider> so...
[20:05] <Luckrider> just throw the disk in
[20:05] <Luckrider> and let it roll
[20:05] <_Rambaldi_> you mean for installing ubuntu Ubuntu--Newbie
[20:05] <Tuv0k> you installed on your machine right?
[20:06] <Luckrider> ok, that sounds good to me, I installed mine from a fresh HDD
[20:06] <Ubuntu--Newbie> I have install virtual box from add/remove.....and I have set it up.....but now when I click start, I am getting the following error:
[20:06] <Ubuntu--Newbie> VirtualBox kernel driver not installed. The vboxdrv kernel module was either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason. Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel, e.g. virtualbox-ose-modules-generic..
[20:06] <Ubuntu--Newbie> VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED).
[20:06] <Ubuntu--Newbie> what should i do
[20:06] <Luckrider> !vbox
[20:06] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[20:06] <Luckrider> try that chan Ubuntu--Newbie
[20:06] <boolka> Are Ubuntu and Xubuntu 100% alike except ubuntu have Gnome and xubuntu have Xfce?
[20:06] <Tuv0k> thats why I use the virtualbox package from the site
[20:06] <Ubuntu--Newbie> ok
[20:07] <Ubuntu--Newbie> is there any other better VM out there?
[20:07] <Tuv0k> it comes with /etc/init.d/vbox
[20:07] <Ubuntu--Newbie> I plan to run Windows XP
[20:07] <Tuv0k> !virtualization | Ubuntu--Newbie
[20:07] <Ubuntu--Newbie> so is virtual box a good option?
[20:07] <ubotu> Ubuntu--Newbie: There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[20:08] <Gnine> !vbox | this link might help
[20:08] <ubotu> this link might help: virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[20:08] <binarical-ap1> can anyone tell my why webmin isnt working on my sever, it is set up, port 10000 is forwarded
[20:08] <Tuv0k> boolka, not really, I don't get caught up in that name garbage. I just use a server install cd, and then apt-get whatever desktop environ you prefer
[20:09] <Tuv0k> it maintains continuity
[20:09] <boolka> so they are acutaly different distros?
[20:09] <Tuv0k> unfortunately
[20:09] <binarical-ap1> im sorry but my server is headless, also forwading x is not an option, since the server is quite slow
 thats why I use the virtualbox package from the site   -- can i do that too? can you tell me from where and how i can install it directly from their site?
[20:09] <Tuv0k> Ubuntu--Newbie, dude, they have a webpage you know?
[20:09] <Tuv0k> Use the gutsy package
[20:10] <_Rambaldi_> !mockup
[20:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mockup - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:10] <binarical-ap1> !webmin
[20:10] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead.
[20:10] <Tuv0k> boolka, check ubuntu's webpage for the detail
[20:10] <binarical-ap1> !ebox
[20:10] <ubotu> ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See the plans for Hardy at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EboxSpec
[20:10] <Tuv0k> wow ebox
[20:10] <Tuv0k> I still use webmin, ouch
[20:11] <linkinxp> guys where i put my fonts?
[20:12]  * Tuv0k removing webmin
[20:12] <Tuv0k> binarical-ap1, thx!
[20:12] <binarical-ap1> thanks ubotu
[20:12] <binarical-ap1> thou wonderfull bot
[20:12] <Tuv0k> I learned something w00t!
[20:13] <jaek> anyone else having trouble with mozilla-xine and mozilla-plugin-vlc?
[20:13] <jaek> i tried both of those packages, and neither loaded with FF
[20:14] <Tuv0k> jaek, don't use those, but mozilla-mplayer won't play so long as mplayer is running
[20:14] <jaek> yes i have mozilla-mplayer working (as well as it works anyways)
[20:14] <Tuv0k> jaek, they did not work for me either, which is why I use the mplayer plugin
[20:14] <jaek> hmm, i wonder if there is an open ticket for them
[20:15] <Tuv0k> I have not checked
[20:16] <jaek> hmm i wonder if totem-mozilla can play mov files with mp4 video and aac audio (youtube)
[20:16] <blueyed> Is /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ suddenly gone?
[20:17] <swubo1> blueyed:  I do not appear to have such a directory.
[20:17] <teamcobra> hrm, *goes off to install ebox*
[20:17] <Tuv0k> jaek, should be able to
[20:17] <blueyed> swubo1: It used to be there for me.. giving a userspace interface to powernow_k8.
[20:18] <swubo1> blueyed:  I have no idea whether I ever had that directory or not, but I can definitively say I don't know.
[20:19] <blueyed> swubo1: what's in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuidle/current_driver for you?
[20:19] <blueyed> (I have acpi_idle there)
[20:19] <swubo1> blueyed:  gedit refuses to open it.
[20:20] <blueyed> swubo1: try "cat" in a terminal
[20:20] <nemo> :)
[20:20] <swubo1> blueyed:  acpi_idle, same as you.
[20:21] <blueyed> swubo1: what cpu do you have?
[20:21] <swubo1> blueyed:  AMD64 X2.
[20:21] <nastas> does anyone knows how to connect Nokia phone in my pc?
[20:21] <BHSPitMonkey> My openoffice.org-common and openoffice.org-core packages won't install because they conflict
[20:21] <BHSPitMonkey> halp?
[20:23] <Tuv0k> ebox looks cool
[20:28] <Luckrider> hey... I want to add a login screen, I have one, but I want to know how to compile it so that it can add it to the Ligin window configuration. help is appreciated
[20:29] <nemo> Luckrider: not sure what you mean by that...
[20:30] <Luckrider> I went and downloaded a login theme, and I want to add it to login window Preferences
[20:30] <nemo> Luckrider: are you trying to add a theme to GDM ?
[20:30] <Luckrider> yes
[20:30] <nemo> Do you use Gnome?
[20:30] <Luckrider> yes
[20:31] <Luckrider> although I do have KDE with y install
[20:31] <Luckrider> *my
[20:31] <nemo> Luckrider: why are you not just using the Add button under System->Administration->Login Window ?
[20:31] <Luckrider> I do add
[20:31] <nemo> aka gdmsetup
[20:31] <Luckrider> and it is not seen
[20:31] <blueyed> swubo1: bug 205087
[20:31] <Luckrider> i think it needs to be compiled
[20:32] <Luckrider> I had to compile it when installed it on Fiesty
[20:32] <blueyed> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/205087
[20:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205087 in linux "cpufreq dirs in /sys don't show up" [Undecided,New]
[20:32] <Killeroid> Luckrider: there is a bug with gdmsetup, it will take about 5 minutes after you start it before the gui shws
[20:32] <nemo> themes don't require compilation AFAIK
[20:32] <Luckrider> ok
[20:32] <nemo> Luckrider: might also want to run gdmsetup from terminal to see if it is complaining quietly I guess.
[20:33] <Luckrider> ok
[20:33] <Luckrider> let me try that
[20:33] <Luckrider> that might help
[20:33] <Luckrider> I downloaded a tar.gz file
[20:33] <Luckrider> and extracted it
[20:33] <boolka> How come when I connect my laptop to lcd monitor via VGA cable it works. But when I use a VGA to RCA/svideo converter cable, it dont work? Do i have to modify the x.org file?
[20:34] <ader10> I installed windows, put grub back on, but I can't find out how to (automatically?) update the grub list. I tried editing /boot/grub/menu.lst and doing grub-update but it's not working
[20:34] <Luckrider> that is the same manager i have been using nemo
[20:34] <Luckrider> it is not working
[20:35] <swubo1> blueyed:  Well, there you go.
[20:35] <Luckrider> oh
[20:35] <Luckrider> wait
[20:35] <Luckrider> I need the rar file
[20:35] <Killeroid> Luckrider: what are you trying to do?
[20:35] <Luckrider> that is what worked
[20:35] <Luckrider> install a login theme
[20:35] <linkinxp> guys how i change the sound at the beginning ???
[20:36] <Killeroid> Luckrider: start gdm, selec the local tab, click on add, naviagte to where the log.theme.tar.gz is found and select it
[20:36] <Luckrider> thanks nemo
[20:36] <linkinxp> nvm
[20:36] <swubo1> linkinxp: System>Preferences>Sound>Sounds
[20:36] <Luckrider> it is working now killeroid
[20:36] <linkinxp> swubo1:  lol thanks too obvious
[20:37] <swubo1> linkinxp:  No such thing!  There is merely the sufficiently obvious.
[20:37] <linkinxp> so let me get this straight! GDM is the login window! Metacity is the Looking for windows in general? and GTK????
[20:37] <linkinxp> swubo1:  true
[20:38] <_Rambaldi_> !tar
[20:38] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (GNOME) or Ark (KDE) - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[20:38] <nemo> linkinxp: GTK is equiv of windows MFC.
[20:38] <linkinxp> MFC?
[20:38] <linkinxp> !MFC
[20:38] <nemo> is what draws the widgets and does messaging and whatnot
[20:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mfc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:38] <linkinxp> nemo:  humm
[20:38] <ader10> Is there a way to automatically update the grub menu? I installed windows and overwrote the mbr with grub but am not sure how to easily get windows on the list
[20:39] <daekdroom> Explorer = metacity
[20:39] <linkinxp> i see
[20:39] <nemo> linkinxp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK+
[20:39] <nemo> daekdroom: wellll
[20:39] <nemo> daekdroom: doesnt Explorer = Nautilus ? :)
[20:39] <nemo> oh
[20:39] <nemo> right. windows combines the two
[20:39] <daekdroom> nemo: No. That's windows explorer
[20:40] <linkinxp> nemo:  yes i read that but i prefer someone to answer me :D
[20:40] <ader10> Is there a way to automatically update the grub menu? I installed windows and overwrote the mbr with grub but am not sure how to easily get windows on the list
[20:40] <nemo> daekdroom: if I kill explorer.exe - I lose my WM
[20:40] <daekdroom> nemo: that's why Explorer = metacity
[20:40] <nemo> daekdroom: if I run explorer.exe inside my WM under windows it opens the equiv of what I'd get if I run nautilus under windows
[20:40] <nemo> daekdroom: thus my confusion
[20:40] <linkinxp> ader10:  dunno
[20:40] <nemo> s/nautilus under windows/nautilus under metacity/
[20:41] <daekdroom> explorer runs both windows explorer and the workspace
[20:41] <_Rambaldi_> !grub | ader10
[20:41] <nemo> daekdroom: ok. sooo. wasn't that what I said? :)
[20:41] <ubotu> ader10: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[20:41] <nemo> 15:39 < nemo> right. windows combines the two
[20:41] <daekdroom> nemo: I didn't get it that way
[20:41] <nemo> anyway :)
[20:42] <linkinxp> so what's emerald?
[20:42] <nemo> funny how the GTK+ logo calls to mind the windows logo
[20:42] <daekdroom> emerald is like GNOME, but it's meant to run under compiz.
[20:42] <swubo1> Emerald is like Metacity, not like GNOME.
[20:42] <linkinxp> mmm i have to install it to use any of the themes?
[20:42] <nemo> emerald is like gtk-window-decorator  :)
[20:42] <linkinxp> ex. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Mint+Kore+for+Emerald?content=78430
[20:42] <linkinxp> ?
[20:43] <ader10> _Rambaldi_: It does not explain well what to do to get windows on the list. All I have to do is save the menu.lst?
[20:43] <binarical-ap1> ebox is sweet
[20:44] <binarical-ap1> !ebox
[20:44] <ubotu> ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See the plans for Hardy at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EboxSpec
[20:44] <binarical-ap1> hmmmm ummm where can i find its bugs
[20:44] <_Rambaldi_> i see ader10. so you cant boot into windows at all ader10
[20:45] <swubo1> ader10:  You have to edit menu.lst so that the Windows entry is listed.
[20:45] <Lamego> ader10, yes you just need to add the windows entry following the example
[20:45] <_Rambaldi_> there is a windows entry in the menu.lst anyway ader10
[20:45] <swubo1> ader10: I'd recommend putting it before the automagic section; that way even if you update Ubuntu and menu.lst gets automatically updated, Windows won't get overwritten or removed.
[20:46] <ader10> Thank you _Rambaldi_, swubo1, and Lamego
[20:46] <swubo1> ader10:  Then, in menu.lst, set your default entry to either 0 or 1, depending on whether you want Ubuntu or Windows to default.
[20:46] <binarical-app> can i get ebox to run similarly to my terminal?
[20:47] <cyrax> At boot time I get: "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at<PHONE_NUMBER>000001 RIP:"... Also, maybe because of this, HAL doesn't work (No apparent error)...
[20:48] <cyrax> Oh, the boot time problem seems to be: [<ffffffff88affac4>] :snd_pcm:snd_pcm_info+0x44/0x110
[20:48] <cyrax> snd_pcm
[20:49] <cyrax> Any idea why..?
[20:49] <linkinxp> i found this tools Art Manager awesome tool :P
[20:51] <yacc> Just wondering, what is the recommended tool for establishing an Internet connection via UMTS/GPRS?
[20:53] <phaidros> where do I find out with which flags a binary got compiled? (eg. if elinks knows javascript)
[20:53] <phaidros> yacc: wvdial
[20:53] <phaidros> (at least I used it)
[20:53] <phaidros> (successfully)
[20:54] <phaidros> the gnome-frontend is worth a try, but I had to fiddle alot. so I just have chosen wvdial
[20:55] <nemo> phaidros: like vi I believe elinks dumps that
[20:55] <nemo> phaidros: elinks --version
[20:55] <yacc> phaidros: yeah, but I somehow have hopped for a more enduser oriented one. (I've got a working wvdial.conf from my old Debian install, covering my 3x3 matrix of situations (3 devices 3 networks *g*).
[20:55] <phaidros> nemo: the actual 0.11.3 in hardy seems not to support it ..
[20:56] <phaidros> nemo: how is that related to vi ?
[20:57] <swubo1> phaidros:  I believe he was saying that in vi, as well, --version will result in dumps of the compiling flags.
[20:58] <phaidros> ack.
[20:58] <phaidros> so, where do I get an javascript enabled elinks?
[20:58] <phaidros> there was something with apt-get source $foo && dpkg-something ..
[21:03] <nemo> phaidros: http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/html/manual.html-chunked/ch01s06.html
[21:03] <nemo> JFGI'd
[21:04] <susen> h0131
[21:06] <_Rambaldi_> how do i xtract a bunch of tar.gz files, i know how to for single files, my question is how to for all the files
[21:06] <phaidros> thanks nemo
[21:06] <phaidros> tar xfvz *.gz ?
[21:06] <Tuv0k> man tar?
[21:07] <Tuv0k> guess man is outdated?
[21:07] <orvokki> Might want to have rather *.tar.gz to make sure you don't try to unarchive a file that's only gzipped.
[21:07] <phaidros> hehe
[21:07] <_Rambaldi_> i get, tar:Error exit delayed from previous erros
[21:08] <Tuv0k> man does come with ubunut right?
[21:08] <Tuv0k> lol "ubunut"
[21:08] <swubo1> Tuv0k:  Yes, but not everyone necessarily knows that.
[21:08] <Tuv0k> swubo1, do they care?
[21:08] <phaidros> what the heck is documentation? pffff ...
[21:08] <swubo1> Tuv0k:  Not until it matters, generally.  Then they ask.
[21:09] <Tuv0k> right
[21:09] <Tuv0k> ubuntu is one of the most heavily documented distros
[21:09] <swubo1> Well, if you really want to be snarky about it, why not suggest that they type 'man man'?
[21:09] <Tuv0k> google searches for generic linux stuff usually reveals ubuntu related post at the top
[21:10] <_Rambaldi_> is there a command to extract by wildcards?
[21:10] <almostdvs> does anyone here know how to clean out all the entries that keep building up in the grub?
[21:10] <swubo1> almostdvs:  If you open menu.lst, you can set the number of entries that will be listed.
[21:10] <Tuv0k> there is qgrubmenu
[21:11] <Tuv0k> startupmenu
[21:11] <cyclonut> anyone got a good eye for UI here?
[21:11] <swubo1> almostdvs:  It's set be default to include every kernel you have, but you can insert an integer to include only the most recent few.
[21:11] <nemo> Tuv0k: gman + ghostview :)
[21:11] <Tuv0k> nice
[21:11] <Tuv0k> google has moset manpages
[21:11] <Tuv0k> most
[21:12] <nemo> Tuv0k: which works like crap for actually using - but is pretty handy for printing
[21:12] <almostdvs> swubo1: will it rename my other partition
[21:12] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Pardon?  No, I don't see why it would.
[21:13] <almostdvs> it used to be /media/disk/...  now it's up to /media/disk-9/...
[21:13] <Tuv0k> those are usbstick mount points
[21:13] <nemo> Tuv0k: if you want a web version, gman supports browsing too
[21:13] <Tuv0k> you have disk-9 because you are not cleanly unmounting your removable drives
[21:13] <nemo> Tuv0k: you need to apt-get install man2html
[21:13] <Tuv0k> nemo, I know;)
[21:14] <swubo1> almostdvs:  The option I'm referring to begins with "## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst"  if you change it from 'all' to a reasonable number, it will reduce the number of entries grub generates automagically.  Partition names won't get invovled.
[21:15] <Tuv0k> swubo1, looks like he is using removable drives?
[21:15] <almostdvs> ok,  so i guess what i'm asking is how i get rid of the older kernels altogether then
[21:15] <Tuv0k> almostdvs, carefully
[21:15] <Tuv0k> remove them from synaptic, or you will have issues later with residuals
[21:16] <Tuv0k> been there, done that
[21:16] <swubo1> almostdvs:  If you follow my suggestion, your older kernels won't appear in grub.  They'll still exist, but they won't clutter grub after it automagically generates.
[21:16] <Ragnarel> I just erased old kernel and cleaned menu.lst
[21:16] <Tuv0k> then once they are removed from synaptic, you can remove then traditionally physically
[21:16] <Ragnarel> is not problem with that, true?
[21:16] <swubo1> Nope, I don't imagine much of a problem with it.
[21:17] <Tuv0k> Ragnarel, does synaptic still show residual kernel configs?
[21:17] <Tuv0k> swubo1, there is
[21:17] <almostdvs> umm...
[21:17] <Tuv0k> residual configs
[21:17] <Ragnarel> Tuv0k, no
[21:17] <swubo1> That's a valid point.
[21:17] <Tuv0k> they will still be in synaptic, and if you go to purge it will not, because the directories will not be found, because of the manual rm
[21:17] <Ragnarel> I erased it manually because I don't found it on dpkg/apt
[21:18] <swubo1> So, again, just seems easier to me to adjust the settings on automagic configuration of menu.lst and then run sudo update-grub.
[21:18] <Tuv0k> Ragnarel, your cool then
[21:18] <swubo1> No risk, but no clutter either.
[21:18] <Tuv0k> true
[21:18] <swubo1> Besides, maybe those ancient kernels will come in handy some day.
[21:19] <almostdvs> so... i go to synaptic search for (???) and remove them and then i go to (???) and remove them there also  and then i go to menu.lst and clean that up?
[21:19] <swubo1> For what, I don't know, but it's not like they're hogging a huge amount of HDD space.
[21:19] <nemo> I'm wishing I'd kept some of 'em around after wireless stopped working.
[21:19] <swubo1> almostdvs:  If you remove the kernels and the configurations, you shouldn't have to clean menu.lst manually, sudo update-grub will just regenerate it.
[21:20] <swubo1> And if you remove the kernels but not the configurations, then clean up menu.lst manually, they'll all reappear there next time Ubuntu updates your kernel.
[21:20] <almostdvs> ok,  can you fill in my question marks then
[21:21] <swubo1> almostdvs:  ...you sure you don't want to try editing menu.lst first?  Do you have a dual boot system, or just Ubuntu?
[21:23] <almostdvs> dual boot  and my music, pictures such are on windows, so exaile and other libraries don't know where there files are
[21:23] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Do you have Windows in menu.lst as a static option, outside the automagic area?
[21:23] <susen> h01310131013101310131013101310131
[21:23] <orvokki> Ew.
[21:26] <swubo1> almostdvs:  If you don't, move it there.  Then, find "# howmany=all" --make sure you're looking at the real one with the single pound sign, and not the example with two.  Change all to a reasonable number, like 1, 2, or 3.
[21:27] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Save menu.lst, then run sudo update-grub.
[21:28] <swubo1> almostdvs:  After you've done that, your menu.lst should (even after a kernel update) always show the number of different kernels you've indicated, plus Windows.
[21:28] <Exilant> remove the kernels if the current one works fine, a kernel is ~ 120 Megs
[21:29] <Exilant> search for linux-image and remove the old ones
[21:29] <swubo1> Or do it that way.
[21:29] <Exilant> it will arn you if you try to remove the current one, so it's rather safe
[21:29] <Exilant> s/arn/warn/
[21:30] <almostdvs> swubo1: i'm not sure what you mean by moving windows outside the automagic area
[21:30] <almostdvs> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63220/
[21:30] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Read menu.lst.  You'll see a line that reads, "### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST"
[21:31] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Put the boot stanza for your Windows install just above that line.  Then, whenever grub updates itself, Windows will always be left alone, and remain first on the list.
[21:32] <swubo1> almostdvs:  At the end of the file, there's a line that reads, "### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST"  You could also put Windows after that.
[21:33] <Exilant> i think in conjunction with savedefault it's better to put it before the automagic list
[21:33] <norman72> hi there
[21:33] <Fritzel> what is the kernel source package called so I can install it, and where does it put it?
[21:34] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Sorry, didn't notice your pastebin.  Windows is already outside the automagic area on your menu.lst.
[21:34] <almostdvs> i have no idea...
[21:35] <almostdvs> i can edit how many can somebody clean up whatever it is i'm trying to get?
[21:36] <swubo1> almostdvs: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63221/
[21:36] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Look at line 113, that's the only change I made to your menu.lst.
[21:37] <swubo1> I changed 'all' to '1'.  Try making that change to your menu.lst, saving it, and then running sudo update-grub.
[21:37] <almostdvs> ok, but this will still keep renaming my windows partition correct?
[21:37] <swubo1> It won't affect your Windows entries.
[21:38] <swubo1> But, it never hurts to back up your menu.lst before you do this.  Worst comes to worst, you can always go back.
[21:38] <norman72> i have a problem with ubuntu 8.04 and flash9/firefox - i have no sound. wiki.ubuntuusers.de doesn't support hardy at this time
[21:39] <almostdvs> no, it already affects my windows entries "it used to be /media/disk/... now it's up to /media/disk-9/...
[21:39] <norman72> is there another website where i can find informations for solving this problem?
[21:39] <swubo1> almostdvs:  The end result of this, however, should be that when you into grub, it will list only the current kernel, the recovery mode, memtest86+, XP, and NT.
[21:39] <Tuv0k> ebox aint webmin
[21:39] <Tuv0k> ugh
[21:39] <almostdvs> yes, i get that
[21:39] <swubo1> almostdvs:  That's not a grub issue.
[21:40] <almostdvs> that's why i changed my question earlier
[21:40] <almostdvs> i want to get rid of the older kernels
[21:40] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Getting rid of older kernels won't help you with the disk-1 through disk-9 problem.
[21:41] <Tuv0k> I said so earlier
[21:43] <Kill_X> anyone able to confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-volume-manager/+bug/217412 ?
[21:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217412 in gnome-volume-manager "mountpoints of removable drives or CDs/DVDs are not removed when media has been ejected" [Undecided,New]
[21:44] <Kill_X> my /media folder is like crowded :D
[21:45] <Tuv0k> the media has to be lceanly unmounted
[21:45] <almostdvs> so... i'm not sure what it is i want to do...
[21:46] <swubo1> Well, one could always unmount the Windows drives, and then remove all the relevant mount points.
[21:46] <Kill_X> that's not an option
[21:46] <swubo1> How not, Kill_X?
[21:47] <Kill_X> this should be done automatically, in my opinion
[21:47] <swubo1> Kill_X:  True, but isn't.
[21:47] <Kill_X> so it's clearly a bug, isn't it? :)
[21:47] <swubo1> It.  It isn't.  Damned subjectless sentences.
[21:47] <swubo1> Kill_X:  Quite clearly.
[21:48] <Tuv0k> ebox is terrible
[21:48] <swubo1> Kill_X:  Nevertheless, if one is burdened with an over-adundance of redundant mount points, one must clean it up somehow, regardless of whether one ought to have to or not.
[21:48]  * Tuv0k apt-get purge ebox
[21:48] <binarical-app> how can i fix this : Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/gconf2_1%3a2.8.1-1warp_i386.debE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[21:49] <Kill_X> swubo1, agreed :)
[21:49] <Tuv0k> just rm the  dir
[21:50] <swubo1> Tuv0k:  Yep.  Works like a charm.
[21:50] <DevonSix> hi everyone
[21:50] <Kill_X> for sure
[21:50] <DevonSix> i have a problem with my hardy :/
[21:50] <DevonSix> anything connected to it with USB isnt working
[21:50] <Kill_X> but doing that everytime you unmount a non-static volume tends to get really annoying =)
[21:50] <Tuv0k> !ask | DevonSix
[21:50] <ubotu> DevonSix: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[21:51] <swubo1> Kill_X:  I just had to do it on a *static* volume, which is a little ridiculous.
[21:51] <DevonSix> ubotu: no prob :)
[21:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about no prob :) - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:51] <Kill_X> swubo1, how come?
[21:51] <boritek> hello i empty list in jockey-gtk
[21:52] <swubo1> Kill_X:  The electrics in my house are unfit to run lightbulbs, let alone PC's.
[21:52] <boritek> i have*
[21:52] <Kill_X> swubo1, lol
[21:52] <swubo1> Kill_X:  So I'd imagine my NTFS partition wasn't cleanly unmounted the last time one of my housemates tried to microwave something.
[21:52] <boritek> so i dont have 3d at all
[21:52] <Fritzel> would this be the installed source directory? I wasn't expecting to see "headers" in the directory, but I'm not seeing anything else that looks right/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/
[21:53] <Kill_X> swubo1, maybe you'd like to add this to the bugreport, too
[21:53] <swubo1> What's the bugreport number?
[21:53] <Kill_X> 217412
[21:53] <binarical-app> is ebox faulty to hardy?
[21:53] <BlakeSmith> Anyone else having trouble changing desktop icons?
[21:55] <BlakeSmith> I get no output when running gnome-appearance-properties and changing the settings, either
[21:55] <Kill_X> BlakeSmith, no, works quite cleanly, here
[21:55] <BlakeSmith> Also, there are no icons in my menu.
[21:55] <swatTX> Everytime there is an update for hardy I always get this 'partial update' prompt that never does any updates. Ideas?
[21:56] <BlakeSmith> Hmm, maybe I'll try deleting some settings files and giving it another shot.
[21:56] <Tuv0k> binarical-app, ebox is just slow and not as full featured as webmin
[21:56] <topyli> swatTX: yes. run synaptic instead, you'll note that it removes some packages
[21:56] <Kill_X> BlakeSmith, I was about to suggest that :)
[21:56] <BlakeSmith> haha
[21:56] <Tuv0k> binarical-app, don't know why I listened to uninstalling webmin, it works just fine under ubuntu
[21:57] <BlakeSmith> It started a week or so, but I figured I'd let some updates come in and see if that fixed it, no dice.
[21:57] <Kill_X> swatTX, what happens if you run 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' within a terminal window?
[21:57] <Tuv0k> you get upgraded
[21:57] <Tuv0k> what else?
[21:57] <Tuv0k> man apt
[21:58] <Kill_X> Tuv0k, obviouslyhe has some problems
[21:58] <BlakeSmith> What self-respecting Vulcan would be so brash?
[21:58] <Tuv0k> ha
[21:58] <Tuv0k> one who came in on the tail end of a question apparently
[21:58] <swatTX> Kill_X, i'll try that and let you know.
[21:58] <BlakeSmith> lol
[21:58] <Tuv0k> :)
[21:58] <Tuv0k> my apologies
[21:58] <Kill_X> ;)
[21:59] <swatTX> topyli, Synaptic isn't coming up. I don't see it in the system monitor either.
[22:00] <Fritzel> !kernel
[22:00] <Tuv0k> something is weird with xmms2d lately
[22:00] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[22:00] <Tuv0k> heavy cpu usage
[22:00] <topyli> swatTX: strange
[22:00] <Tuv0k> it does not die, just stops playing and overloads
[22:01] <swatTX> topyli, I've tried it a few times too... System->Admin-> Syanptic... just doesn't start to run
[22:01] <nemo> Tuv0k: audacious :-p
[22:02] <Tuv0k> I have it
[22:02] <swatTX> Kill_X, hmmm, when i run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade terminal returns -> sudo: unable to resolve host
[22:02] <Tuv0k> its not the same as having a media daemon running
[22:02] <jaffarkelshac> !themes
[22:02] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[22:02] <jaffarkelshac> !themes
[22:02] <Tuv0k> and I don't like the audacious team
[22:03] <swubo1> Kill_X:  Commented on the bugreport.
[22:03] <Kill_X> swatTX, what did you do exactly?
[22:04] <swubo1> Interestingly, I notice that my problem is slightly different from the original posters, but I'm running Ubuntu on different architecture.
[22:04] <Kill_X> I'm the original poster ;)
[22:05] <Kill_X> interesting, that you don't experience that one with optical discs
[22:05] <Kill_X> so far I got different mount points for the hardy install cd
[22:05] <zero__> hey, how do i upgrade from 7.10 stable to 8.04 beta?
[22:06] <swubo1> Kill_X:  I also got disk, disk-1, and disk-2 for the NTFS partition.
[22:06] <swubo1> Instead of disk, _disk, and __disk.
[22:06] <Kill_X> zero__, if you have 10 days left, wait until you get notified about a distribution upgrade viathe update manager
[22:06] <swatTX> Kill_X, i opened up a term window and typed what you suggested. that was the response i got.
[22:07] <topyli> swatTX: what does it say when you run it from the terminal? gksudo synaptic
[22:07] <zero__> Kill_X why should i have to wait?
[22:08] <jaffarkelshac> can someone help in installing themes, there is no read me in the downloads
[22:08] <swubo1> zero__: I think he probably means that it may not be worth exposing yourself to unfixed bugs and other potential problems to save ten days of waiting.
[22:08] <Luckrider> what type of theme?
[22:09] <Luckrider> jaffarkelshac?
[22:09] <Kill_X> zero__, 8.04 s still in development stage, upgrading on a production machine is not recommended. If you want to help testing 8.04 you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file to access Hardy repositories instead of Gutsy
[22:09] <zero__> is that the only way to get it as of now?
[22:09] <jaffarkelshac> gnome-look.org but i am uncertain how to install the gdm themes Luckrider
[22:10] <Luckrider> um... the login window?
[22:10] <Kill_X> another way would be to download a 8.04 cd, burn and insert it
[22:10] <Luckrider> if it is the login window, just click add, the find the tar.gz file through browse
[22:10] <Luckrider> Jaffarkelshac
[22:10] <Kill_X> it should be automatically recognized as an upgrade disc
[22:11] <T1m0thy> Eh, what's the link to the ftp of the Hardy packages?
[22:11] <jaffarkelshac> oh so no need to extract it, cheers Luckrider
[22:11] <Luckrider> Jaffarkelshac, when you do that, it will
[22:11] <Luckrider> exactly
[22:12] <Luckrider> I did the same thing
[22:12] <Luckrider> i extracted
[22:12] <Luckrider> but it is unnecesarry
[22:12] <Kill_X> swubo1, very interesting, perhaps this one is an upstream bug
[22:12] <swatTX> topyli, i think i've got some network problem. i keep getting unable to resolve host *****
[22:13] <swubo1> Kill_X:  Quite possibly.  Does Hardy use a different version of gnome-volume-manager than Gutsy did?
[22:14] <Kill_X> I think so, since hardy introduces a whole new gnome release
[22:14] <Kill_X> dunno, which one is used @ gutsy, hardy uses 2.22
[22:15] <negge> I'm getting really really pissed right now...
[22:15] <orvokki> Kill_X: Which package?
[22:15] <negge> i used aticonfig to enable tv-out to watch a movie
[22:15] <negge> everything worked fine
[22:15] <swubo1> Kill_X:  I can't see a stable release of GNOME going out with a bug like this, though.
[22:15] <negge> but after I rebooted I can't use a resolution higher than 1024x768
[22:15] <negge> and there seems to be absolutely no way to revert back to my old settings
[22:15] <Kill_X> swubo1, there's a first time for everything ;)
[22:16] <negge> this new Xorg version is killing me...
[22:16] <swubo1> orvokki: gnome-volume-manager
[22:16] <orvokki> !info gnome-volume-manager gutsy
[22:16] <ubotu> gnome-volume-manager (source: gnome-volume-manager): GNOME daemon to auto-mount and manage media devices. In component main, is optional. Version 2.17.0-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 163 kB, installed size 2956 kB
[22:16] <negge> my question is: how do i get my old xorg settings back when not even restoring a working copy of xorg.conf works
[22:16] <Kill_X> orvokki, excuse me, which package of what?
[22:16] <teamcobra> negge: it sounds like the fglrx drivers aren't installed for the kernel version you're running
[22:16] <teamcobra> and not an xorg issue
[22:16] <negge> teamcobra okay
[22:16] <orvokki> Kill_X: You need a package name to ask ubotu which version it was. ;>
[22:17] <negge> i have used the fglrx drivers all the time
[22:17] <negge> it works perfectly except for when i try tv-out, after that I'm screwed
[22:17] <T1m0thy> What's the link to the ftp of the Hardy packages?
[22:17] <negge> happened once before and i had to reinstall ubuntu completely
[22:17] <teamcobra> negge: heh, they're not the best drivers
[22:17] <negge> teamcobra but they worked fine in 7.10
[22:17] <teamcobra> but they're the only game in town for 3d right now
[22:17] <Kill_X> orvokki, gnome-volume-manager, as swubo1 already told :)
[22:18] <orvokki> Kill_X: Also I already asked ubotu as you can see above.
[22:18] <Kill_X> right
[22:18] <teamcobra> negge: maybe it's an issue w/ the kernel ver and the version of fglrx packaged..... see if the one on ati.amd.com is newer, it may have fixed that issue if so
[22:18] <negge> i tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg but that wasn't very helpful
[22:18] <Kill_X> sry :D
[22:18] <negge> teamcobra I'll try that
[22:18] <teamcobra> I had to manually install fglrx on a server I build, as the chipset was too new
[22:19] <boritek> Hello, after updgrading, I've got an empty jockey-gtk list and so there is no 3d. No fglrx, no oss ati driver.  I tried hardy live CD as well, oss driver works there but no fglrx in jockey either, its empty.
[22:19] <Steven1> Hey people. Anyone know how to get my ATI x850 card and monitor working? Since upgrading to Hardy. The restricted drivers no longer work.
[22:19] <negge> teamcobra I'm downloading the newest drivers right now
[22:19] <teamcobra> cool
[22:19] <negge> what do I do when the download has finished?
[22:19] <trappist> I'm running do-release-upgrade -d from dapper and it aborts without any useful info that I can see.  Calculating the changes, then Restoring original system state, then Aborting
[22:20] <trappist> anyone seen this?
[22:20] <Kill_X> swubo1, could you add the info about the different naming system to bug #217412, too? Would be great
[22:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217412 in gnome-volume-manager "mountpoints of removable drives or CDs/DVDs are not removed when media has been ejected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217412
[22:20] <teamcobra> uhm, I believe you have to chmod +x ati*.run ; sudo ./ati*.run
[22:20] <negge> okay
[22:20] <negge> i'll try that
[22:20] <Steven1> What latest drivers are you talking about?
[22:20] <Steven1> Maybe those would work for me.
[22:20] <teamcobra> Steven: fglrx
[22:20] <teamcobra> possibly ;)
[22:21] <Steven1> I have fglrx. It doesn't work.
[22:21] <teamcobra> steven1: the package might be slightly outdated
[22:21] <BlakeSmith> fglrx works perfectly here, x1050 AGP
[22:21] <Steven1> I think I set it up right too. I got the control for it as well.
[22:21] <teamcobra> BlakeSmith, it works in most cases
[22:21] <swubo1> Kill_X: Will do.
[22:21] <Steven1> teamcobra: Walk me through it then. Where do I get it from?
[22:21] <Kill_X> swubo1, thank you :)
[22:21] <teamcobra> but I had to manually install for a 780g (radeon hd 3200 igp)
[22:22] <swubo1> Kill_X:  Only catch is, I already ditched the extras, so I'll have to remember the syntax it used from memory.
[22:22] <swubo1> Kill_X:  Since I'm not about to go yanking cables out of my computer to reproduce it.
[22:22] <Steven1> Where do I get the newest fglxs or whatever it's called?
[22:22] <teamcobra> Steven1: go to ati.amd.com , download the proper version for your machine, after it's done, in a terminal: chmod +x ati*.run ; sudo ./ati*.run
[22:22] <negge> teamcobra I'm rebooting now, I'll be back in a couple of minutes
[22:22] <Kill_X> swubo1, just be sure to dump that one, too ^^
[22:22] <teamcobra> the chmod is making the installer executable, and I believe it has to be run as root
[22:23] <teamcobra> ok negge
[22:23] <Steven1> Ok I'll give it a try. I can't open the file from ati.
[22:23] <boritek> teamcobra: i have also this ati issue, but as for me i dont even have the os ati driver working
[22:23] <teamcobra> Steven: the terminal command is how you "open" it
[22:23] <boritek> absolutely no 3d
[22:23] <Steven1> Ah ok. Thanks then.
[22:23] <Kill_X> swubo1,  I think with the test cases given, everyone should be able to reproduce and see for himself
[22:23] <teamcobra> it's a binary installer, but in linux you have to make the file executable (security measure)
[22:24] <teamcobra> boritek: follow those directions, as you're not using the closed source ( :(  ) 3d ati driver
[22:24]  * DanaG wonders... how well does HD2600 work, and how well would a 3650 work?
[22:24] <teamcobra> the open driver doesn't support 3d yet
[22:25] <teamcobra> danag: I dunno, the 3200hd is pretty wicked
[22:25] <negge> teamcobra didn't work, I still can't change my res
[22:25] <boritek> teamcobra, i worked in gutsy
[22:25] <teamcobra> negge: and in xorg.conf , under driver, it's marked "fglrx" ?
[22:25] <boritek> at least somehow, compiz worked e.g.
[22:25] <DanaG> What kind of power saving settings does it have?
[22:25] <teamcobra> boritek: hrm, might be an old radeon card then
[22:26] <negge> teamcobra yes
[22:26] <DanaG> I'd love to be able to put the GPU in slow-but-not-off mode when on battery, and still run compiz.
[22:26] <boritek> no, ATI Radeon9600 SE
[22:26] <teamcobra> danag: not too sure, all of the standard amd stuf (coolnquiet, etc)
[22:26] <swubo1> Kill_X:  If they really want to uncleanly unmount their NTFS partitions, more power to them.
[22:26] <DanaG> On my GeForce Go 7600, there's no choice of power modes when on battery.
[22:26] <swatTX> ok home come i can't gksudo into anything?
[22:26] <negge> I'm seriously thinking of converting back to 7.10 simply because restoring xorg.conf worked back there
[22:26] <teamcobra> DanaG: it'll do that in vista in crossfire mode, still no crossfire support in fglrx
[22:27] <DanaG> I'd be going single-card, mobile.
[22:27] <teamcobra> negge: sudo modprobe fglrx
[22:27] <teamcobra> and see if any errors pop up
[22:27] <boritek> teamcobra, but i would like to use the closed driver
[22:27] <negge> teamcobra no errors
[22:27] <negge> nothing at all
[22:27] <teamcobra> DanaG: 780g mobile chipsets are on their way..... wicked chipset
[22:27] <boritek> but i am just saying that the os driver don work either, only the mesa thing
[22:28] <teamcobra> negge, now restart x (crtl+alt+bkspc)
[22:28] <DanaG> I'll be buying at the end of June, and no later than the middle of July.
[22:28] <teamcobra> boritek: if your card is supported, use the drivers from ati.amd.com (look above)
[22:28] <teamcobra> DanaG: heh, it plays crysis + stranglehole
[22:28] <teamcobra> stranglehold, even ;p ;p
[22:28] <DanaG> My current candidate for laptops: HP 8510p / 8510w (depending on whether I want 1920x1200 on 15").
[22:29] <DanaG> Oooh, accelerometer!
[22:29] <negge> teamcobra no change
[22:29] <Kill_X> swubo1, well I cannot test that one with NTFS partitions, since they're mounted on startup via fstab ;)
[22:29] <boritek> teamcobra, my linux kernel: 2.6.24-16.30, my fglrx: 1:7.1.0-8-3+<IP_ADDRESS>  Do they match??
[22:29] <DanaG> One thing I hate about ntfs-3g: no automatic fallback to RO.
[22:29] <DanaG> It's all or nothing.
[22:29] <teamcobra> hrm, run dmesg
[22:29] <DanaG> Oh, and it loves load-cycling my external hard drive.
[22:29] <negge> teamcobra any more ideas?
[22:29] <teamcobra> boritek: I can't say for sure, I have nvidia in my laptops (for good reason)
[22:30] <DanaG> Every five seconds... ssshCLICK!
[22:30] <teamcobra> dmesg should tell you if fglrx fails
[22:30] <Steven1> teamcobra: I downloaded the 64-bit version since I didn't know what version to get. But it says I have 32-bit. Will it still work?
[22:30] <DanaG> SSSHCLICK!
[22:30] <boritek> teamcobra, by what filter?
[22:30] <boritek> |grep ati?
[22:30] <teamcobra> steven: do a "uname -a"  in a terminal
[22:30] <pen> how to use µswsusp 0.8?
[22:30] <veloxid> still someone here, who helped me with my speedstepping problem?
[22:30] <teamcobra> and if it's 32 bit, you must use 32bit driver, if 64bit, you must use 64bit
[22:31] <Kill_X> DanaG, really? ntfs-3g refuses to mount my ntfs disks at all, when they have been not cleanly unmounted
[22:31] <Steven1> teamcobra: i686
[22:31] <teamcobra> boritek: I really have no clue
[22:31] <teamcobra> steven: 32bit
[22:31] <Kill_X> uncleanly with windows, that is
[22:31] <Steven1> Ok thanks.
[22:31] <Fritzel> could someone take a look at this and tell me why this is crapping out, I just got the source no more than 20 minutes ago http://pastebin.com/d565b7053
[22:31] <Kill_X> never tried what happens when ntfs-3g itself does not cleanly unmount
[22:32] <teamcobra> boritek: the binary driver from ati should work (unless they screwed the pooch, has happened before)
[22:32] <Lamego> Fritzel, because you need the curses dev lib
[22:32] <DanaG> That's what I meant -- dirty FS == no mount at all.
[22:32] <Fritzel> hmm odd, but alright thank you
[22:32] <DanaG> It should be: dirty FS == mount RO (with old driver!)
[22:32] <teamcobra> I have to say, got ebox up on my server, and it's baller-tastic
[22:32] <Agrajag-> g'day, hardy is locking up on me. when it happens, I cannot move the mouse cursor, keyboard leds do not change, but i can ssh from another machine. i see this in /var/log/messages: "Apr 15 07:21:57 wbsdev5 kernel: [56219.619224] metacity[7657]: segfault at 00000001 eip b7955e60 esp bfcb5200 error 4"
[22:32] <Kill_X> DanaG, I see.
[22:33] <swubo1> Kill_X:  I don't know.  I do know that if Windows doesn't cleanly unmount my NTFS partition, Ubuntu refuses to mount it until I've corrected that.
[22:33] <Kill_X> DanaG, right, that would be an option
[22:33] <Lamego> Fritzel, if you are building a kernel from source, you should be able to identify a missing library :)
[22:33] <trappist> do-release-upgrade -d is telling me no valid mirror found, but I have no indication which line in my sources.list is at fault.  any ideas?
[22:33] <Lamego> !hardy | Agrajag-
[22:33] <ubotu> Agrajag-: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[22:33] <Lamego> ops
[22:34] <Lamego> wrong channel :P
[22:34] <Fritzel> Lamego: I gotta learn sometime, and I am simply trying to enable mounting of my ipod, beyond that I probably won't do this again except just to recompile every so often
[22:34] <Fritzel> for updates
[22:34] <Agrajag-> Lamego: i thought i was discussing it in #ubuntu+1
[22:34] <Agrajag-> oh right ok
[22:34] <negge> teamcobra do you have any more clues on how I could solve this?
[22:34] <Agrajag-> anyway yeah, i guess i'll file a bug
[22:35] <negge> I also tried disabling the ATI drivers but then nothing works
[22:35] <Fritzel> Lamego: but coming out of this I still don't know how you knew that was curses dev
[22:35] <negge> my monitor just blinks and the colors are all screwed up
[22:35] <Lamego> Agrajag-, sorry, I was confused :P
[22:35] <teamcobra> negge: hmm, got an older, yet-still 2.6.24 kernel?
[22:35] <teamcobra> try it
[22:35] <negge> teamcobra nope
[22:35] <Fritzel> Lamego: which means I'll probably ask again next time too
[22:35] <Lamego> Fritzel, "curses.h: No such file or directory"
[22:35] <negge> I'll never use tv-out again...
[22:36] <teamcobra> negge..... is fglrx loaded?
[22:36] <teamcobra> glxinfo
[22:36] <veloxid> have a problem with the speedstepping of my centrino-m 2ghz prozessor, it is always steped on 600mhz, althought the cpu-load is 100%
[22:36] <Fritzel> Lamego: doh! I swear that wasn't there when I first tried it lol someone shimmied it in there after the fact
[22:36] <Fritzel> ><
[22:37] <negge> teamcobra what should I look for in the output (from glxinfo)?
[22:37] <teamcobra> ati (Not mesa) in vendor line
[22:38] <Fritzel> ahh good news I don't even need to recompile, the options are set already ^^
[22:38] <negge> which one? there's a "client glx vendor string" and one "opengl vendor string"
[22:38] <negge> the first on says SGI and the other says ati technologies
[22:38] <negge> one*
[22:39] <teamcobra> hrm, try to run sudo aticonfig --initial again
[22:39] <teamcobra> it sounds like it's running though
[22:40] <negge> teamcobra aticonfig --initial told me there's nothing to do, i ran --initial -f and it said it found an uninitialized file
[22:40] <negge> i'll try restarting x now
[22:40] <Steven1> teamcobra: Installed the ati driver like you said. Then I restarted and it still says I'm running in 'low graphics mode'. What do I do now?
[22:40] <Fritzel> where are the usb devices located as if I wanted to mount an external hard drive? /dev/?
[22:41] <teamcobra> ok, in a terminal, run "sudo aticonfig --initial -f"
[22:41] <negge> teamcobra still no change...
[22:41] <negge> i ran that command
[22:41] <Steven1> Ok
[22:41] <teamcobra> negge: does opengl work at all?
[22:41] <negge> teamcobra how do I check that?
[22:41] <teamcobra> steven: you might have to hit control-alt-backspace to restart
[22:42] <teamcobra> negge: I dunno, try something like glxgears and  see if it's ssslllooooww or not
[22:42] <teamcobra> steven: any luck?
[22:43] <Steven1> teamcobra: Ok back. I ran aticonfi --initial -f. And then  restarted x. But no change.
[22:43] <Steven1> *aticonfig
[22:43] <JoshOvki> hey, im having a problem with hardy (kernal 2.6.24-16-generic) and madwifi, since i did the update to 2.6.24-16 mad wifi has stopped working. any one got any ideas on how to fix this?
[22:43] <negge> teamcobra okay so how do I test if opengl works (I ran glxgears and after pressing esc everything froze so I had to log out, don't know if you replied or not)
[22:43] <teamcobra> ok, both of you guys..... in a terminal, "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[22:44] <teamcobra> negge: heh, so glxgears crashed, not a good sign ;p
[22:44] <negge> teamcobra i'll try it again
[22:44] <teamcobra> anyway... next, reinstall the ati drivers again
[22:44] <Steven1> teamcobra: build-essential is already the newest version.
[22:44] <teamcobra> steven: ok.... hrmmm
[22:44] <Steven1> Ok.
[22:45] <Steven1> teamcobra: It does say this though. "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[22:45] <Steven1>   libmp4v2-0"
[22:45] <teamcobra> don't worry about that
[22:45] <Steven1> Ok
[22:46] <Steven1> So reinstall the drivers? I was supposed to select the fxgls driver setup when I restarted right?
[22:46] <teamcobra> I'm at a loss.... the kernel headers are installed for both of you, right?
[22:46] <Steven1> teamcobra: headers? Which ones do I need?
[22:46] <teamcobra> it sounds like the modules didn't build properly
[22:46] <teamcobra> steven: the ones that match the kernel you run
[22:47] <Steven1> Oh from ati? I installed the one that didn't say 64-bit on it.
[22:47] <negge> teamcobra it crashed again
[22:47] <negge> what's your advice?
[22:50] <Steven1> teamcobra: Ok I'm reinstalling it again. What do I do on system restart?
[22:50] <teamcobra> negge: make sure your linux kernel headers are installed
[22:51] <teamcobra> steven: are your kernel headers installed?
[22:51] <Steven1> I don't know what kernel headers are.
[22:51] <teamcobra> they're a package in synaptic
[22:51] <Steven1> I installed what I think is the right ati driver.
[22:51] <teamcobra> install them
[22:51] <Steven1> What's the name?
[22:51] <lime4x4> is places/network broke again?
[22:51] <teamcobra> you need them to build the driver for your pc properly
[22:52] <Steven1> The installation didn't come up with any errors though.
[22:52] <teamcobra> steven: uname -a , then run synaptic, search for "linux headers 2.6.xx)
[22:52] <negge> teamcobra yup they're installed
[22:52] <teamcobra> negge: check the installer log?
[22:52] <teamcobra> it's in /var/ someplace
[22:52] <teamcobra> fglrx-installer.log, I believe it's called
[22:53] <negge> teamcobra there's no such file, infact I don't see anything under /var/log/ that could be associated with fglrx
[22:54] <Steven1> teamcobra: Yep. The headers for 2.6.24-16 are installed.
[22:54] <negge> Steven1 are you having the same problem as I?
[22:54] <Steven1> I think so.
[22:54] <Steven1> Card and monitor don't work with the drivers.
[22:54] <negge> weird
[22:55] <negge> the gay part is that it worked just a couple of hours ago
[22:55] <Steven1> It worked fine in Gutsy.
[22:55] <negge> yeah
[22:55] <Fritzel> do you have to do something specific to add a new repo to synaptic sources? I click add, put in the new repo info and the Add button is grayed out
[22:55] <Fritzel> nevermind
[22:56] <Steven1> Fritzel: You could do it manually. By editing sources.list.
[22:56] <Fritzel> yeah I had some garbage html in my paste, got it though ty ^^
[22:56] <Steven1> :)
[22:57] <Steven1> I think we gave poor teamcobra a brain hemorrage.
[22:57] <teamcobra> sorry
[22:57] <negge> hehe yeah
[22:57] <teamcobra> setting up a server too
[22:57] <Steven1> Ah ok
[22:57] <teamcobra> a heavy duty one at that ;p
[22:58] <Steven1> I just want to get my graphics working again. So I can play Second Life.
[22:59] <teamcobra> anyways...... I know that you can run the ati installer in a tty (control + alt+ f1-f6, crtl+alt+f7 or f8 can't remember, will bring you back to x, but you'll need to restart it once the drivers install properly)
[22:59] <hwilde> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:59] <Steven1> It was working under Gutsy's restricted drivers.
[22:59] <negge> hwilde that doesn't work either
[22:59] <negge> you get 20 questions about your keyboard layout and that's it
[23:00] <hwilde> that totally works man
[23:00] <hwilde> !fixres
[23:00] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[23:00] <negge> hwilde I tried it but it doesn't
[23:00] <negge> it just asks about the keyboard and that's it
[23:01] <pen> could anyone tell me why mplayer plugin does not have sound in firefox 3?
[23:01] <Steven1> It asks me about stuff that I don't understand.
[23:01] <Steven1> Not keyboard
[23:01] <hwilde> just take all the defaults it should work fine
[23:01] <pen> only mplayer plupgin
[23:01] <negge> hwilde it clearly doesn't
[23:02] <swubo1> Anyone know why gdmsetup doesn't seem to recognize new themes when I try to add them?
[23:02] <negge> you can't configure the monitor manually anymore
[23:02] <_Rambaldi_> my trashbin icon has gone missing, how do i retrieve it
[23:03] <hwilde> you can always configure it manually - just hack the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:03] <Steven1> hwilde: Do you know what I would change in there to get my ati drivers to work?
[23:04] <hwilde> !ati | Steven1
[23:04] <ubotu> Steven1: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:04] <hwilde> !fglrx | Steven1
[23:04] <Steven1> Um ok thanks.
[23:04] <swubo1> Answering my own question---because the install theme button is entirely useless, it automatically recognizes anything put into /usr/share/gdm/themes
[23:04] <Steven1> hwile I have that.
[23:04] <Steven1> Trying to get it work.
[23:06] <negge> man I'm getting tired
[23:06] <negge> nothing simply works!
[23:06] <pen> could anyone tell me why mplayer plugin does not have sound in firefox 3?
[23:06] <negge> I tried aticonfig --resolution=blablabla but that didn't help either
[23:06] <hwilde> sry I have nvidia - and it just works
[23:06] <Steven1> Brb. Going to see if my enabling the restricted drivers helped.
[23:06] <negge> hwilde do you get to choose monitor settings when you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[23:07] <hwilde> I just hack the xorg.conf
[23:07] <hwilde> if you need wizards and guis this might be the wrong version :)
[23:07] <negge> I don't need that, I'm perfectly fine with the old xorg.conf file where you could actually edit stuff on your own, but this new version is so slimmed down it's unhackable
[23:08] <negge> last time I had the same problem I restored an old working copy of xorg.conf from my kubuntu 7.10 installation, didn't work either
[23:08] <moj0rising> hi. has anyone else had trouble getting the kernel headers in hardy?
[23:08] <moj0rising> When I try, sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`
[23:08] <hwilde> !headers
[23:08] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[23:08] <moj0rising> I get:E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.24-15-generic
[23:09] <moj0rising> Get the same error, ubotu.  :(
[23:10] <hwilde> !find linux-headers hardy
[23:10] <ubotu> Found: linux-headers-2.6.24-16, linux-headers-2.6.24-16-386, linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic, linux-headers-2.6.24-16-openvz, linux-headers-2.6.24-16-rt (and 26 others)
[23:10] <negge> I guess I'll have to remove hardy and install gutsy tomorrow and waste another couple of hours installing everything again...
[23:10] <moj0rising> Get the same error, ubotu.  :(
[23:10] <moj0rising> mtoscano@d630:~$ ls /usr/src
[23:10] <moj0rising> linux-headers-2.6.22-12          linux-headers-2.6.22-13-generic
[23:10] <moj0rising> linux-headers-2.6.22-12-generic  linux-headers-2.6.22-14
[23:10] <moj0rising> linux-headers-2.6.22-13          linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic
[23:10] <moj0rising> dont have the current headers
[23:10] <moj0rising> mtoscano@d630:~$ uname -a
[23:10] <moj0rising> Linux d630 2.6.24-15-generic #1 SMP Tue Apr 8 00:33:51 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:10] <Kill_X> moj0rising, I'm not able to reproduce this error, perhaps your mirror is broken?
[23:10] <AaronMT> /CLEAR
[23:10] <hwilde> !info linux-headers-2.6.24-15-generic
[23:10] <ubotu> Package linux-headers-2.6.24-15-generic does not exist in hardy
[23:10] <negge> I won't touch hardy again until a couple months after the stable release
[23:10] <hwilde> see it does not exist
[23:11] <moj0rising> maybe, Kill_X, hrm
[23:11] <hwilde> moj0rising, it looks like the latest headers are 2.6.24-16
[23:11] <Steven1> hwilde: It's working now. Thanks.
[23:11] <moj0rising> ah..
[23:11] <hwilde> Steven1, ati restricted drivers eh?
[23:11] <Kill_X> right
[23:11] <Steven1> All I had to do was reenable the restricted drivers.
[23:11] <hwilde> yeah that will do it
[23:11] <Steven1> Yeah ATI
[23:11] <moj0rising> so I need to update the kernel, then perhaps.
[23:11] <nomasteryoda> nice... new update to xorg... and mdetect... which it is installing
[23:11] <moj0rising> Cool. I'll keep going here. Thanks.
[23:12] <nomasteryoda> hope my synaptics touchpad works after this
[23:12] <Kill_X> moj0rising, invoke 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'
[23:12] <hwilde> && sudo apt-get install linux-headers-*
[23:12] <Kill_X> ;)
[23:12] <AaronMT> anyone on a inspiron 1501?
[23:15] <_Rambaldi_> is there a solution to firefox exiting when watching flash
[23:15] <gerr1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63229/ sound errors I've been having
[23:16] <gerr1> anyone else have similar results if so there any current fixes in progress?
[23:16] <Kill_X> _Rambaldi_, please report firefox crashes when watching flash videos using apport
[23:17] <Amaranth> _Rambaldi_: Please don't
[23:17] <gerr1> _Rambaldi_: there are threads on forums to report to I suggest waiting on one of them so you know when a fix is coming around
[23:17] <Amaranth> Kill_X: the firefox devs can't do anything about flash killing firefox
[23:17] <negge> teamcobra I still haven't got it working... I'll reinstall Ubuntu tomorrow, thanks for your help though
[23:17] <Kill_X> Amaranth, I see
[23:18] <moj0rising> Thanks, hwilde
[23:18] <Kill_X> actually this seems to be a problem of flashplugin.nonfree itself
[23:18] <gerr1> its either a gtk error, pulse error, or libflashsupport issue that's causing firefox crashes
[23:18] <hwilde> moj0rising, u know it
[23:18] <Amaranth> now, if it was swfdec crashing firefox then it would obviously be a firefox bug as swfdec doesn't crash :)
[23:18] <Amaranth> you could report a bug then :D
[23:18] <_Rambaldi_> i hope it gets fixed when the final hardy comes out, it can be infuriating
[23:18] <Amaranth> gerr1: it is libflashsupport
[23:19] <Amaranth> and it probably isn't getting fixed
[23:19] <gerr1> Amaranth: then remove it
[23:19] <Amaranth> maybe it'll be included in hardy-updates some time after release
[23:19] <Amaranth> gerr1: without libflashsupport flash doesn't work at all
[23:19] <gerr1> Amaranth: hardy = fail then
[23:19] <Amaranth> flash = fail
[23:19] <Kill_X> _Rambaldi_, unlikely, libflashsupport uses proprietary sources from Adobe
[23:19] <Amaranth> but this is well known
[23:19] <Amaranth> libflashsupport is written by the pulseaudio devs, afaik
[23:19] <gerr1> Amaranth: hardy inability to do anything gutsy did means its lost
[23:20] <Amaranth> gerr1: then every release of ubuntu has lost as they all have a regression somewhere
[23:20] <brianski> is anyone else having a total lack of sounds (except for some cracklies) in the past day or so?
[23:20] <gerr1> yeah but some don't cause straight up crashes near 100% redoable
[23:21] <Kill_X> Amaranth, sorry, I meant flashplugin-nonfree
[23:21] <gerr1> brianski: no sound here I get these errors http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63229/
[23:21] <Amaranth> gerr1: it's not 100% reproducible as it is a race condition
[23:21] <Amaranth> there are easy steps to trigger it but sometimes you do those steps twice and sometimes you do them 30 times before the crash occurs
[23:21] <brianski> gerr1: hmm, i seem to have a different issue
[23:21] <gerr1> Amaranth: well on my system here I have yet to see it not crash the dozens of times trying to use flash
[23:22] <Amaranth> gerr1: this crash is playing one flash video after another
[23:22] <brianski> oh is this the infamous ffox / flash bug?
[23:22] <Amaranth> gerr1: if you are seeing any other kind of crash it is a flash bug and not related
[23:22] <brianski> just pin your ffox at b4, works like a charm
[23:22] <Kill_X> _Rambaldi_, flashplugin-nonfree is a proprietary plugin, manufactured by Adobe. Since the SIGSEGV was provoked by the plugin itself, we'd have to wait out another release of Adobes flash-player.
[23:22] <gerr1> brianski: yeah I did too until I installed some missing packages now its some sort of permissions thing I think fedora implemented same stuff but different file system architecture so its difficult to know where its failing at
[23:23] <Kill_X> brianski, this is not true, there have been many crashreports of ffb4, too.
[23:23] <gerr1> Kill_X: its worked before, and it still works on firefox beta under any other distro
[23:23] <brianski> Kill_X: (shrug) works for me
[23:24] <gerr1> brianski: so what you dealing with? any logs?
[23:24] <Kill_X> gerr1, so you suggest the bug is provoked by gnome?
[23:25] <gerr1> Kill_X: run firefox from terminal and read what's output before it crashes
[23:25] <Kill_X> would be helpful since I'm trying to trace it down since about 5 weeks
[23:25] <Kill_X> I can tell you
[23:26] <_Rambaldi_> i like to save my flv files that are streamed by the browser, nothing so far does it better than internet explorer
[23:26] <Kill_X> something like ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
[23:26] <Kill_X> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
[23:26] <Kill_X> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[23:27] <Kill_X> totally unconclusive ;)
[23:28] <Kill_X> already tried a backtrace and valgrind
[23:28] <Kill_X> I need debugsymbols from ff3 and all related packages, to continue, but these aren't available
[23:29] <brianski> bleck, is there a handy way to roll back to what was in the apt repos as of a given point in time?
[23:29] <apikoros> hey, is it possible to install mplayerplug-in without installing firefox-3? i'm running firefox 2 and don't want to upgrade yet.
[23:29] <Amaranth> gerr1: fedora uses libflashsupport too, btw
[23:29] <pen> could anyone tell me why mplayer plugin does not have sound in firefox 3?
[23:29] <Amaranth> it is required to have working flash if you use pulseaudio
[23:30] <Amaranth> brianski: no, and downgrades are not supported and likely to break anyway
[23:30] <brianski> Amaranth: yeah that's about what i figured
[23:31] <m1lkc0w> Ubuntu 8.04 here. Gnome does not seem to load ~.Xresources on startup. I have some modifications for emacs in there. When I start emacs from the Panel, resources are not read. When I start it from the gnome-terminal, resources *are* read. Any ideas?
[23:31] <Kill_X> a workaround might be, to install firefox-2 and use that as long ad the flash-problem exists in 8.04. But I haven't tried that so far
[23:32] <goodhabit> Hello guys. Advice me please, how I can see cpu temp on ubuntu?
[23:32] <pen> nvm
[23:33] <_Rambaldi_> you know how ie7 saves all files streamed in temporary internet folder, what browser saves like that. firefox deletes its files immediately even with cache at 1Gb
[23:33] <Kill_X> goodhabit, install the package lm-sensors
[23:33] <hwilde> goodhabit, apt-get install lm-sensors
[23:34] <Kill_X> +sudo ;)
[23:34] <hwilde> I've never used sudo
[23:34] <hwilde> and I never will
[23:34] <hwilde> except for that initial sudo su
[23:34] <Kill_X> *gg*
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[23:35] <m1lkc0w> hwilde: Had to use it at work (years ago). Audit trail or something like that
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm trying to decide if i'm witnessing ignorance or stubbornness
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> or... little of column a, little of column b
[23:35] <Kill_X> goodhabit, you might want to install mbmon, as well... 'sudo apt-get install mbmon'
[23:36] <m1lkc0w> So, why do applications started from the panel not get their ~/.Xresources?
[23:36] <Kill_X> Daisuke_Ido, clarify? :D
[23:36] <m1lkc0w> Any way around that?
[23:37] <Daisuke_Ido> Kill_X, absolute refusal to use sudo
[23:38] <Kill_X> Daisuke_Ido, well, I used to do a 'sudo passwd' all the time until 2 months ago
[23:38] <Pirate_Hunter> how do i move channels in irssi i forgot :(
[23:39] <apikoros> Daisuke_Ido, probably a bit of both :)
[23:39] <Kill_X> but then I realized, that sudo is absolutely sufficient
[23:39] <Daisuke_Ido> it is
[23:39] <theunixgeek> What's the default Firefox homepage in Ubuntu?
[23:39] <Daisuke_Ido> theunixgeek, google.
[23:39] <theunixgeek> Daisuke_Ido: it's not helping me
[23:39] <Kill_X> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[23:40] <Kill_X> @ theunixgeek
[23:40] <theunixgeek> thanks :)
[23:40] <Daisuke_Ido> ah...  THAT one.  i tend to forget that because it's the first thing i change
[23:40] <theunixgeek> Kill_X: ^
[23:40] <theunixgeek> thank you very much :)
[23:40] <Kill_X> lol
[23:40] <goodhabit> Kill_X, after 'sudo mbmon' I see No Hardware Monitor found!!
[23:40] <goodhabit> Sorry, was disconnected.
[23:40] <Kill_X> what was that one about?
[23:41] <Daisuke_Ido> theunixgeek, i wasn't saying to search google, the usual default page *is* google (firefox custom, that is)
[23:41] <goodhabit> Kill_X, about cputemp
[23:41] <goodhabit> I dunno how to see it.
[23:41] <Daisuke_Ido> but i forgot about that local file as a homepage
[23:41] <Kill_X> goodhabit, it works for me :o
[23:41] <Kill_X> ~$ sudo mbmon
[23:41] <Kill_X> Temp.= 39.0, 29.0, 46.0; Rot.=    0,    0, 6136
[23:41] <Kill_X> Vcore = 1.38, 0.00; Volt. = 3.34, 5.00, 11.37, -10.40, -0.00
[23:41] <goodhabit> Kill_X, lm-sensors are installed.
[23:42] <goodhabit> maybe I have missed smth?
[23:42] <Fritzel> is there still a frontend for xmms? I can't seem to get it to install or launch
[23:42] <swuboo> Fritzel:  I don't believe the xmms2 package includes one, you have to install one separately.
[23:43] <donomo> are others having horrible firefox crash problems? or is it just one of my extensions?
[23:43] <Fritzel> ok umm well I want to use the traditional xmms interface but xmms won't install with xmms2 any ideas?
[23:43] <swuboo> fritzel: ...audacious?
[23:43] <Kill_X> goodhabit, you need to setup lm-sensors using 'sudo lm-syslog-setup' and 'sudo lm-profiler'
[23:43] <gerr1> donomo: its everyone
[23:43] <donomo> gerr1: phew. is there a ticket for it?
[23:44] <donomo> gerr1: its driving me nuts
[23:44] <Fritzel> is that what it was called? I always refered to it as xmms
[23:44] <goodhabit> Kill_X, while lm-setup pressing enter always ok?
[23:44] <swuboo> Fritzel:  No, it's a different package, but it was created to replace xmms.  Pretty much the same interface.
[23:44] <goodhabit> Or not?
[23:44] <Kill_X> goodhabit, sorry, first profiler, then syslog-setup
[23:44] <swuboo> Fritzel:  Might wanna give it a whirl, see if it meets your needs.
[23:44] <Fritzel> swuboo: ahh alright that'll work then
[23:44] <swuboo> Fritzel:  It even takes winamp skins, if that's your bag.
[23:44] <gerr1> donomo: no clue, its either gtk, pulseaudio, or libflashsupport. Check them all see if you can find a fix. My sound currently is off and trying to fix it
[23:44] <Pirate_Hunter> hhh#
[23:45] <goodhabit> Kill_X, profiler asks for 600 seconds waiting. It is ok?
[23:45] <Kill_X> goodhabit, lm-syslog-setup? run lm-profiler first
[23:45] <Kill_X> goodhabit, yes
[23:45] <Kill_X> wait out that 10 minutes
[23:45] <goodhabit> Kill_X, setup after profiling will not aks questions?
[23:45] <joe1> anyone know if the new kernel is being fixed? (such as for proprietary drivers)
[23:46] <Kill_X> goodhabit, unlikely, but keep monitoring, it might ask if problems occur.
[23:46] <Pirate_Hunter> can someoen who uses irssi or knows can they tell me how to move to another window in irc or what is the usual default command to move to other openned channels please
[23:52] <bkoch> Often in hardy (usually after watching something in VLC) I am not able to open terminals, firefox, and when amarok loads xine can't initialize audio drivers.  When I open VLC it plays video but there is no sound, the only solutions I have found is reboot.  Is there any log files that may show me what is causing this?
[23:53] <donomo> bkoch: ive learned to not start amarock. it hoses with the sound system.
[23:53] <r00723r0> Is there any coherent way to create xorg.conf automatically?
[23:54] <bkoch> Yes, but this problem happens before Amarok is launched.
[23:55] <bkoch> What do you suggest for a music player?
[23:55] <donomo> bkoch: ok. the solution for me was to not start amarock.
[23:55] <donomo> bkoch: rhythmbox of course. its gnome-approved :)
[23:55] <r00723r0> Anyone?
[23:56] <swuboo> r00723r0:  I'm positive that there is, but I can't remember the command offhand.
[23:56] <r00723r0> :(
[23:57] <swuboo> xorgconfig?
[23:57] <Exilant> r00723r0: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[23:57] <r00723r0> Ahh, thanks.
[23:58] <swuboo> What he said.
[23:58] <r00723r0> No.
[23:58] <r00723r0> That's not right.
[23:58] <r00723r0> I want to configure it as well.
[23:58] <Exilant> -plow
[23:58] <bkoch> Okay thanks I will try it donomo, as for VLC causing problems I have tried to compile version .9 which supposevely fixes this audio locking bug, but have had problems with that
[23:58] <r00723r0> Exilant, it's not giving me video options.
[23:58] <Kill_X> goodhabit, after the profiling has completed, you might want to answer any questions with NO, if you're not on a laptop. If so, please ask before answering with YES
[23:58] <r00723r0> Just keyboard, mouse, and framebuffer.
[23:59] <goodhabit> Kill_X, I am on pc.