[11:05] <Fata1> it's happened when i've tried to mount an NTFS drive and when trying to get to my myspace homepage
[11:05] <dribble> any of y'all have problems with rhythmbox crashing into an un-killable state?
[11:05] <bbrazil> wooby: are you on solaris by any chance :)
[11:05] <goonies> does that one let u view my error
[11:05] <wooby> bbrazil: na
[11:05] <sktx> Fata1: have you installed any wonky packages ?
[11:05] <dribble> and excuse my southern (online) twang ;)
[11:05] <Milktea> How do I remove a dir
[11:05] <Fata1> if it was one of the updates, yes
[11:05] <dribble> Milktea, rm -r directory
[11:05] <bbrazil> wooby: you're running this off amd64?
[11:05] <Fata1> i only installed the critical updates
[11:05] <Milktea> thanks
[11:05] <wooby> bbrazil: correct
[11:06] <wooby> bbrazil: 6.06
[11:06] <Rude_Boy> I'm having trouble upgrading to dapper. The update-manager tells me that it has "Invalid package information" and to "please report this as a bug".
[11:06] <Sanne> Fata1, sometimes those problems might be because of hardware troubles, I would suggest to let memtest run to check your memory.
[11:06] <sktx> Fata1: that shouldn't do it (ideally)
[11:07] <sktx> good call sanne
[11:07] <Jack_Sparrow> goonies:  What is it you are trying to do that generated that output
[11:07] <Fata1> how steep is the learning curve for using the terminal after being a lifetime windows users?
[11:07] <Fata1> cause i cant even extract a tar.gz file in it
[11:07] <Fata1> :/
[11:07] <goonies> Jack_Sparrow, compile my kernel
[11:07] <penguin42> Fatal: What happens - the tar crashes or the whole machine?
[11:07] <Milktea> Is there any way
[11:07] <Milktea> to remove a svn co
[11:07] <stefg> !bash
[11:07] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[11:07] <Fata1> no input device will work
[11:07] <Sanne> Fata1, if you can type, and follow directions, the terminal is not hard ;)
[11:07] <Fata1> i assume the machine is frozen
[11:07] <Milktea> without having to hit y every time it asks to delete something
[11:08] <bbrazil> wooby: does gcc work for a quick hello world?
[11:08] <roy_> hey everyone.  quick question.  I have a folder full of pdfs.  they all have the same general filename tnryyyymmdd.  some have the .pdf extension, most don't.  I want to make all of them have the .pdf extension.  how do I do this in command line?
[11:08] <Jack_Sparrow> FataIt just takes a little time..
[11:08] <Flannel> Milktea: what are you trying to do?
[11:08] <skavenge> Milktea: rm -rf then
[11:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Fata It just takes a little time..
[11:08] <Milktea> thanks
[11:08] <Fata1> hehe, i couldn't even figure out how to install bitchx
[11:08] <Fata1> i was looking for the exe file :/
[11:08] <skavenge> bx is in the repos
[11:08] <Gullstad> !automatix
[11:08] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items and has been reported to break your system while doing that, please see http://help.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation instead.
[11:08] <wooby> bbrazil: yeah
[11:08] <Flannel> Milktea: remove a local subversion copy?  yeah, just delete everything
[11:08] <Gullstad> !easyubuntu
[11:08] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of easyubuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[11:08] <amortvigil> how do i get outof root?
[11:09] <wooby> bbrazil: checking out the config.log, it seems to be skipping a bunch of libs on account of "incompatible"
[11:09] <skavenge> 'exit'?
[11:09] <Milktea> yeah but using -r without -f makes me hit y a lot
[11:09] <Flannel> Rude_Boy: you might check launchpad.net (that's ubuntu's bug repository), they might have a workaround/fix
[11:09] <Milktea> :[
[11:09] <bbrazil> wooby: I suggest digging into the ./configure and seeing what test it's running
[11:09] <Sanne> roy_, I'm usinf the command 'rename' for such things. If you don't have it, you should be able to install it through your package manager. Ri learn how to use it, try 'man rename'.
[11:09] <wooby> bbrazil: so it can't find a working -lc
[11:09] <fyrestrtr> amortvigil: type exit
[11:09] <Flannel> amortvigil: depends on how you got into it
[11:09] <bbrazil> wooby: maybe it doesn't like amd64?
[11:09] <fyrestrtr> roy_: or, just use cp
[11:09] <johan_> how do I take a screenshot from the terminal?
[11:09] <wooby> bbrazil: it definitely does not lol
[11:09] <goonies> Jack_Sparrow, didnt realize that that first pastebin made people register to view posts...heh
[11:10] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[11:10] <Odei> Flannel: thanks, I just realised I wasn't removing the right part of the apache install, fixed now :)
[11:10] <wooby> bbrazil: any idea where i might be able to get a built 64 bit deb for this, some unnoficial repository?
[11:10] <skavenge> ive heard wine in general doesnt like 64 bit systems, but thats just rumor
[11:10] <bbrazil> wooby: google it i'd say - or check the wiki
[11:10] <Jack_Sparrow> goonies: what is the purpose of the new kernel you are trying to compile.  I only compiled one.
[11:10] <wooby> bbrazil: ok thanks anyway
[11:11] <Milktea> svn: Can't set file 'athenadev/.svn/entries' read-only: Operation not permitted
[11:11] <Milktea> o.O
[11:11] <goonies> to get hyperthreading to work, and its very bloated with stuff i dont need
[11:11] <goonies> im already done configuring but as u can see it crashes
[11:11] <goonies> http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/app/view/871 , for those that havent seen my problem
[11:11] <Jack_Sparrow> goonies: trust me, you are not done configuring
[11:12] <goonies> this isnt the first kernel ive configured
[11:12] <skavenge> im offically throwing frost/limewire out the window .. damn things lock up every other time loading 'core components' and i cant figure out the culprit
[11:12] <goonies> this is the first time i run into this problem though
[11:12] <dribble> anybody with crappy rythmbox problems: crashing and inability to hard-kill the process
[11:12] <lasindi> Hi all, I need to install an RPM, and I know that I can install the RPM system through apt-get, but I was wondering if there was any (better) alternatives. For example, I use rpm2tgz on my Slackware machine. Is there something like this for the Debian packaging system?
[11:13] <skavenge> lasindi: 'alien'
[11:13] <asdf25> hey, i'm having a problem with azureus... when it pops up the error message window the "hide" button doesn't work so it stays open forever... anyone know how to fix that?
[11:13] <mwe> dribble: not even kill -9 works?
[11:13] <finalbeta> is their a way to start xchat/gaim when the session starts and put them both inside the tray? (or panel)
[11:13] <dribble> mwe, naw - the process is listed as 'uninterruptable'
[11:14] <goonies> =\
[11:14] <Fata1> what's the command to mount an ntfs drive?
[11:14] <siriusnova> hey guys
[11:14] <dribble> mwe, and kill -9 doesn't have any effect
[11:14] <siriusnova> anyone here using Beagle?
[11:14] <asdf25> mount -t nfts
[11:14] <Stormx2> siriusnova: I do.
[11:14] <mwe> dribble: what is it listed as with ps aux?
[11:14] <siriusnova> Stormx2 - does it index your applications?
[11:14] <siriusnova> i installed it and it works fine for files but apps dont show up
[11:14] <asdf25> mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /media/whatever
[11:14] <dribble> mwe, haven't checked yet -- i'm brining it up now, and expect it to crash within half an hour, so i'll keep yah posted
[11:14] <Fata1> i get permission denied when trying to access those drives
[11:15] <lasindi> skavenge: okay thanks
[11:15] <skavenge> np
[11:15] <asdf25> er, run it with sudo?
[11:15] <goonies> =\
[11:15] <goonies> guess no one knows
[11:15] <Rude_Boy> Flannel: Thanks, i foud it, it's confirmed bug. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/48215/+viewstatus. Any idea if it'll help to do it manually?
[11:15] <Fata1> it mounts fine, but i cant access them
[11:15] <asdf25> ohh, right
[11:15] <Hawk|-> someone uses an usb-headset?
[11:15] <Stormx2> siriusnova: I... don't know.
[11:15] <Stormx2> siriusnova: Let me see
[11:16] <Hawk|-> i need help get it working
[11:16] <mwe> Fata1: use -o umask=0222
[11:16] <asdf25> #/dev/hdc1       /media/WinXP1    ntfs    umask=0022,ro   0       0
[11:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Fata1: I used the disk mounter script to mount my ntfs and fat32 drives, Please avoid writing to ntfs unless you want to cry..
[11:16] <asdf25> that's the line i have in /etc/fstab
[11:16] <agotfred> does anyone know of a good script to install XGL or would it be the best just to do it yourself?
[11:16] <Stormx2> siriusnova: It doesn't :O:O
[11:16] <kristian> hatred? this ... sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<verzija kernela> xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx-control dosn't work:S
[11:16] <siriusnova> Stormx2 - yeah i guess its a bug :/
[11:16] <mwe> asdf25: you're allowing write access
[11:16] <kristian> hatred, <verzija kernela> am i going to switch that with my own kernel?
[11:17] <mwe> asdf25: oh no
[11:17] <erUSUL> goonies: i have seen the page but can not figure out what can be wrong. it seems a bug to me. have you retried after an 'make mrproper'?
[11:17] <asdf25> really? "ro"
[11:17] <asdf25> yeah
[11:17] <mwe> asdf25: but 0022 is write access
[11:17] <goonies> i havent tried make mrproper
[11:17] <mwe> asdf25: lose ro and change it to 0222
[11:17] <goonies> should i type that before i compile?
[11:17] <Gullstad> !ircii
[11:17] <Grogs> If there any reason why I can't open 7zip files?
[11:17] <ubotu> I know nothing about ircii
[11:17] <goonies> well obviously..heh
[11:17] <Gullstad> How start ircII?
[11:17] <dagrump_> agotfred: do it urself 2 many varibles get all info 1st
[11:17] <erUSUL> goonies: just to be sure that there is no corrupt file from previus compilations
[11:18] <goonies> this is the first time i ever compiled on ubuntu
[11:18] <agotfred> does anyone know what file manager that's on this screenshot?
[11:18] <sktx> Gullstad: is it installed?
[11:18] <Gullstad> sktx: Yes.
[11:18] <Jack_Sparrow> Fata1: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/ use the diskmounter script then restart your box...
[11:18] <Rude_Boy> Thanks, i foud it, it's confirmed bug. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/48215/+viewstatus. Any idea if it'll help to do it manually?
[11:18] <erUSUL> goonies: auch!! then it is a bug you should report it...
[11:19] <erUSUL> !bugs
[11:19] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu, please report it at http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[11:19] <sktx> Gullstad: open up a console and type ircii
[11:19] <Gullstad> sktx: Nope :s
[11:19] <Grogs> Mus tbe boring saying that all day Jack_Sparrow , although I'm sure it will help him just as much as it did me and mean a lot to him too. :)
[11:19] <agotfred> does anyone know what file manager that's on this screenshot? http://www.gnome-look.org//content/pre2/35812-2.jpg
[11:19] <Stormx2> Guys... I need to know an absolutely failsafe way to move files in a directory into the parent directory. For example ~/lol1/lol2/* to ~/lol1
[11:19] <erUSUL> Grogs: you do not have a program instaled that can handle them
[11:20] <Stormx2> I guess mv... I just don't know the perfect syntax for it :P
[11:20] <Grogs> I thought i did.
[11:20] <Jack_Sparrow> Grogs: YEs a little boring, but glad it helped you...
[11:20] <Stormx2> 2 years of music is on the line so I don't want to rush into it :P
[11:20] <dooglus> Stormx2: what if the files are already in the target directory?
[11:20] <CrippsFX> Stormx2, don't know the mv syntax?
[11:20] <Grogs>  Even downloaded another (the current archive manager seems to support them according to description) which doeesn't open it.
[11:20] <Stormx2> dooglus: Mainly folders, roughly 300. Folders contain files and other folders. Its a VFAT partition
[11:20] <kbrooks> OK Ubuntu community
[11:20] <dooglus> Stormx2: I mean if ~/lol1/README.txt and ~/lol1/lol2/README.txt both exist already?
[11:21] <erUSUL> Stormx2: sacado de un how to '(cd /source/directory && tar cf - . ) | (cd /dest/directory && tar xvfp -)'
[11:21] <Stormx2> dooglus: Oh. None of the same names.
[11:21] <Stormx2> I checked that.
[11:21] <Stormx2> Just a few folders.
[11:21] <erUSUL> Stormx2: from a how to '(cd /source/directory && tar cf - . ) | (cd /dest/directory && tar xvfp -)'
[11:21] <Stormx2> Wait they do have the same names
[11:21] <KenSentMe|afk> I want to start all over with configuring cups. How can i put cups in the standard config?
[11:21] <BearPerson> Stormx2, mv -T foo/bar foo might work
[11:21] <Milktea> Is shift+p some kind of hotkey
[11:21] <Milktea> I can't type capital p
[11:21] <Stormx2> XD~~
[11:21] <erUSUL> KenSentMe|afk: remove --purge cups and reinstall
[11:21] <dooglus> Stormx2: don't do what erUSUL is saying unless you want to copy the files.  It'll be much quicker to move them that to do what he says
[11:22] <KenSentMe|afk> erUSUL: then it also removes ubuntu-desktop :)
[11:22] <Stormx2> Yes. 30gb would take a long time to copy :P
[11:22] <dooglus> Stormx2: you just want to move stuff, right?
[11:22] <CrippsFX> cd ~/lol1/
[11:22] <erUSUL> KenSentMe|afk: install it again after that
[11:22] <Stormx2> Let me get rid of folders of the same name.
[11:22] <askyle> dpkg-reconfigure cups (?)
[11:22] <CrippsFX> bleh.
[11:22] <CrippsFX> it's almost bedtime
[11:23] <sktx> agotfred: that looks like nautilus to me
[11:23] <kbrooks> OK, Ubuntu Community. We all should testt EasyUbuntu (use it). if it doesn't work, file a bug at https://launchpad.net/products/easyubuntu. Version to test: 3.02.1, available at http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/files/easyubuntu-3.021.tar.gz
[11:23] <Stormx2> dooglus: Yeah basicly...
[11:23] <Fata1> ran diskmounter and i'm still denied access of viewing the drives
[11:23] <Sutener> hoi
[11:23] <agotfred> sktx: just found out that it is the file manager named Thunar
[11:23] <Stormx2> I'm gonna just check the stuff on mv
[11:23] <mwe> KenSentMe|afk: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package. it doesn' contain any actual packages. reinstall that afterwards as well if you like
[11:23] <Jack_Sparrow> fata, did you restart your system?
[11:23] <Bassetts> how can i force a window to close?
[11:23] <Fata1> it said i didn't have to
[11:24] <dooglus> Stormx2: "mv * .." will do what you want, unless some of the stuff is hidden (ie. begins with a dot)
[11:24] <Jack_Sparrow> I said you do..
[11:24] <asdf25> Bassetts: xkill is one way
[11:24] <Fata1> fine...
[11:24] <Stormx2> dooglus: Right, OK.
[11:24] <Bassetts> how do i open that
[11:24] <Jack_Sparrow> THey will be on your desktop when it opens
[11:24] <Stormx2> dooglus: I'm gonna do that, thanks!
[11:24] <mwe> Bassetts: killall -9 program name
[11:24] <askyle> naive question: i can't get the old school curses-based installer from the dapper i386-desktop cd, can i?
[11:24] <asdf25> Bassetts: run "xkill" at command line and click on the window
[11:24] <Bassetts> thanks
[11:24] <BearPerson> Stormx2, check if your mv supports the -T option
[11:24] <Bassetts> :)
[11:25] <axs221>  /msg nickserv set hide email on
[11:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Fata1 I need to change the docs in that script to say restart...
[11:25] <Stormx2> dooglus: Right, that worked well.
[11:25] <Stormx2> Thank god that is over
[11:25] <Stormx2> I swear if i had lost that data :P
[11:25] <Stormx2> I'd have to recover it
[11:25] <Stormx2> and that'd be a bummer
[11:25] <Stormx2> :P
[11:26] <kristian> hatred, you here?
[11:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Stormx2: why not put it on another partition
[11:26] <Milktea> What's the bash command similar to Dos's ipconfig
[11:26] <Fata1> well shit, you were right.
[11:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Gee
[11:27] <CrippsFX> Milktea, ifconfig  ?
[11:27] <snoops> anyone familar with xmodmap?
[11:27] <kbrooks> Milktea: ifconfig, but ifconfig has more (as u can CONFIGure InterFaces)
[11:27] <yome> Hi all.  What would be an easy way to install ubuntu on a cdrom-less laptop?
[11:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Fata1: glad to help
[11:27] <Fata1> maybe you should have the author change the wording that says you don't have to reboot :P
[11:27] <mwe> snoops: somewhat
[11:27] <penguin42> yome: USB CDROM if you can borrow one
[11:27] <dooglus> Stormx2: if the parent has a non-empty directory with the same name as something you're moving, you'll see an error: "mv: cannot move `foo' to a subdirectory of itself, `./foo'"
[11:27] <Milktea> thanks
[11:27] <yome> penguin42, I might buy one if it's really needed.  Do I have any other option?
[11:28] <snoops> is it possible with xmodmap to map the a different button to the function of another key mwe?
[11:28] <yome> From a USB key, say?
[11:28] <CrippsFX> alright ... bedtime.
[11:28] <Jack_Sparrow> gnight
[11:28] <askyle> yome:  DSL on a disk on key?
[11:28] <kristian> Flannel, you here ?
[11:28] <askyle> gnight
[11:28] <Jack_Sparrow> flash drive
[11:28] <snoops> like.. I have a tilt left on my scroll wheel.. I'm wanting to map it to be middle mouse button
[11:28] <yome> askyle, DSL as in Damn Small Linux?
[11:28] <askyle> yome: yep
[11:28] <Jack_Sparrow> yome: flashdrive
[11:28] <mwe> snoops: you can't map mouse buttons with xmodmap
[11:28] <userone> I need to view a MS publisher file..I have searched for solutions but there dont seem to be any..I have tried Scribus and almost every import option available in Open Office. Is there a good 'converter' app for Ubuntu?
[11:28] <yome> OK.  Which image do I need to put on a flash drive?
[11:29] <skavenge> the laptops gotta be able to boot off the device though as well
[11:29] <penguin42> (Can Ubuntu live CDs PXE boot other machines like Knoppix can?)
[11:29] <yome> The normal image?
[11:29] <askyle> 1 sec, checking....
[11:29] <mwe> snoops: I found a program that does it once but I forgot the name. sorry
[11:29] <snoops> mwe err but umm umm yes
[11:29] <snoops> if I type in this
[11:30] <yome> Has anybody here installed Ubuntu with success on a Thinkpad X60s by any chance?
[11:30] <mwe> snoops: xmouse something IIRC
[11:30] <Jack_Sparrow> Yome, I would think so.. But not sure how that image would go...
[11:30] <Minsc> Hello
[11:30] <yome> Jack_Sparrow, OK, I'll look into it.  Thanks.
[11:30] <snoops> xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3...right up to 20" it'll assign the buttons correctly
[11:30] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[11:30] <snoops> if I change the 1 2 3 around, it'll trigger different buttons
[11:30] <yome> Last question: Ubuntu should be easier to install than most other distro on a recent laptop, right?
[11:31] <snoops> but I can't put the same number twice..
[11:31] <Fata1> does ubuntu play mp3s in stock form?
[11:31] <Jack_Sparrow> yome: I think it would be a good choice
[11:31] <snoops> nope Fata1
[11:31] <skavenge> ubuntu is probably the easiest to install, period.
[11:31] <mwe> snoops: what I meant was you cannot map a keyboard key to act as a mouse button
[11:31] <userone> I tried GIMP too....that doesnt do it...
[11:31] <Jack_Sparrow> fata !restricted
[11:31] <askyle> yome: the DSL faq says  there's an option to install DSL to a pendrive from the livecd
[11:31] <snoops> !restricted > Fata1
[11:31] <mwe> snoops: with xmodmap
[11:31] <snoops> mwe oh right, well you can use xvkdb for that
[11:31] <askyle> skavenge: that kind of contradicts the experience i had today
[11:32] <yome> I guess hardware support is more important than ease of installation for me.  Does Ubuntu still wins there?
[11:32] <skavenge> ive got a year old dell laptop and everything worked out of box except wireless
[11:32] <yome> askyle, OK, so then I'd go from DSL to Ubuntu?
[11:32] <penguin42> yome: Reasonably good
[11:32] <skavenge> askyle: yeah from what i hear in the channel i got lucky
[11:32] <stefg> !hardware
[11:32] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[11:33] <askyle> yome: more or less : )
[11:33] <mwe> snoops: I see
[11:33] <snoops> but yeah my issue mwe is I can't type in say xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 3 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20"
[11:33] <Minsc> Any ubuntu experts want to give me a hand? I've got a devil of a problem
[11:33] <Milktea> Is shift+p some kind of hotkey
[11:33] <Milktea> I can't type capital p
[11:33] <userone> any ideas on the MS publisher view/conversion?
[11:33] <snoops> because 3 is in there twice.. but umm that's what I'm after
[11:33] <mwe> snoops: oh
[11:33] <penguin42> Minsc: Just ask - someone will try and help
[11:33] <bbrazil> mwe: use capslock?
[11:33] <yome> OK, thanks for answering my questions.  I'll be back when it doesn't work ;)
[11:33] <bbrazil> Milktea: ^
[11:33] <askyle> skavenge: i had absolutely no luck getting dapper into my gf's box
[11:34] <askyle> STFW'd a lot, mind you... all i found were "check your media" suggestions
[11:34] <snoops> but xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20" is absolutely fine.. I can't use the same number twice basically
[11:34] <mwe> bbrazil: huh?
[11:34] <Minsc> penguin: Alrighty. I've got the infinite sound loop problem. Whenever a sound is played, the first half second of it loops forever, and everything else stalls. The strangest part is that this only occurs in my installed ubuntu, but the live cd works fine.
[11:34] <skavenge> askyle: i see alot of people getting stuck with dapper, especially on dual boots .. i did a fresh install of ubuntu on this laptop and it was smooth
[11:34] <bbrazil> mwe: bad tab completion
[11:34] <askyle> milktea: does it happen on every application or only on some?
[11:34] <askyle> yome: good luck : )
[11:35] <Bassetts> why does text seem to be so small in firefox and ubuntu??
[11:35] <askyle> (oops, "latency" ; ) )
[11:35] <Bassetts> its alot smaller than in win at same res
[11:35] <userone> somebody must at least have an idea I can try for viewing/converting MS publisher files?
[11:35] <penguin42> Bassetts: At a guess because either the font size defaults are differnt or because ubuntu is reading your display size (wrongly?)
[11:35] <userone> I tired everyhthing I know (which may not be alot, I agree!! lol)
[11:36] <askyle> skavenge: no dualboot here.... we just wanted to do away with windows : )
[11:36] <stefg> It'sthe xservers -dpi setting
[11:36] <Bassetts> stefg: penguin42: any wiki pages on it?
[11:36] <skavenge> askyle: well thats good at least, same here .. ran into a windows problem, found my cd but not the case (which the key is on) so i dumped it for ubuntu heh
[11:36] <axs221> Bassetts: try opening up System > Preferences > Fonts > Details and changing the DPI resolution there
[11:36] <snoops> anyway idea mwe?
[11:37] <axs221> if you're in gnome that is
[11:37] <mwe> snoops: no not really. sorry
[11:37] <faki3> where are the dapper backports?
[11:37] <Bassetts> axs221: whats a good dpi for 1280x1024@70Hz
[11:37] <askyle> skavenge: heh : ) and before i went to her place i said myself "should i take the breezy cd too? naaaaah"
[11:37] <Fata1> im not finding this universe repository
[11:38] <penguin42> Bassetts: Depends on your physical monitor size
[11:38] <userone> ok..does anyone know ANY good general file converters for Ubuntu?
[11:38] <askyle> userone: what kind of files?
[11:38] <penguin42> Bassetts: Between 75 and 100dpi is normal
[11:38] <axs221> Bassetts: If you open that up in Gnome, it will dynamically change the DPI as you scroll the numbers, just click the up arrow until it looks the right size for you
[11:38] <userone> askyle: MS Publisher
[11:38] <Minsc> So I guess no one can offer any help, huh
[11:38] <saxin> Fatal1, /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:39] <stefg> !ask
[11:39] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:39] <skavenge> askyle: which may not have been much better of you were planning to update, ive seen alot of snafu's in here the last few days with updating to dapper from breezy as well .. but that may be user error and have nothing to do with ubuntu either heh
[11:39] <faki3> !ask
[11:39] <penguin42> axs221: Hmm, is that supposed to match the value reported by xdpyinfo ?
[11:39] <mwe> snoops: I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're trying to achieve
[11:39] <Minsc> ubotu: If that was directed at me, I already did. ;)
[11:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about If that was directed at me, I already did. ;)
[11:39] <askyle> userone: no idea, sorry : (   (wow, it's been ages since i've heard of publisher... only decent MS app ever)
[11:39] <Minsc> Er.
[11:39] <kb1ibt> what is the easiest way to get cairo 1.2.0 running on my dapper since it isn't in apt-get yet
[11:40] <Sanne> userone, I'd be glad to help, but I never used MS Publisher. No idea what kind of files they are, but MS is known for their incompatible file formats.
[11:40] <eobanb> userone, perhaps it'll open with openoffice, or abiword?
[11:40] <userone> askyle: thanks anyway..any ideas you might have would be useful
[11:40] <userone> sanne: thanks..any ideas you might have would be useful
[11:41] <userone> eobanb: I tried almost all options in Open Office
[11:41] <askyle> skavenge: my own update worked well.. not flawlessly, but well : )   -- the point was, her poor box couldn't handle the demand of loading a whole OS while installing an OS.
[11:41] <eobanb> userone, maybe Scribus?
[11:41] <axs221> penguin42: It doesn't seem like it, mine is 75x75 on xdpyinfo and 94 dpi on the font preferences
[11:42] <userone> eobanb: I tried scribus too...
[11:42] <Sanne> userone, I doubt it's useful, but ask MS for a format converter... (not really, but still...)
[11:42] <penguin42> ax221: Ditto, 75 on xdpy and 96 on font pref
[11:42] <userone> sanne: I even tried that!! There are no free viewers for MS Publisher files, not even from MS!!
[11:42] <faki3> http://www.scribus.net/
[11:43] <Cainus> hey can anyone tell me how to being troubleshooting my "no sound" problem?  I know all the hardware is good because this used to be a win32 box and the sound worked then...
[11:43] <userone> sanne: and the only file converters require Windows..
[11:43] <Cainus> er being = begin :)
[11:43] <userone> there *must* be a good general file coverter app for Linux/Ubuntu?
[11:43] <Sanne> userone, I suspected that, but kudos for trying with MS! :)
[11:44] <kb1ibt> Cainus: first run lshw and see if the card is recognized
[11:44] <boricua> how do i get xgl supoprt in dapper? i just install compiz compiz gnome and xgl xserver what else
[11:44] <stefg> !xgl
[11:44] <eobanb> userone, how do you figure that there could be something like a 'general file converter'
[11:44] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:44] <eobanb> userone, file formats tend to be very specific in design
[11:44] <Cainus> kblibt: yes it is
[11:44] <penguin42> userone: Well for images there is a program called 'convert' part of imagemagick
[11:44] <Sanne> userone, there's no such thing as a general file converter. It depends on the type of files, each one may be different (and in case of MS files, they certainly are).
[11:44] <axs221> I'm having trouble with my mouse cursor, whenever I hover my cursor over some objects it will disappear. These are always clickable objects, although the pointer cursor does work sometimes on other things. Eg hovering over flash or over the Customize Toolbar icons in Firefox. Any suggestions?
[11:44] <paddedwall> anyone got ubuntu installed on an ASRock 939 dual sata2 motherboard?
[11:45] <faki3> View Publisher 2002 Files Without Publisher http://www.microsoft.com/office/previous/xp/columns/column16.asp
[11:45] <userone> eobanb: file conversion just seems to me a basic need for a computer user, or maybe things have changed!
[11:45] <kb1ibt> Cainus: does it show DISABLED after it or is the module loaded?
[11:45] <eobanb> axs221, as far as i know, flash files can opt to make the cursor disappear ('it's a feature, not a bug')
[11:45] <Sanne> paddedwall, I'm planning to buy one, and I researched the forums. I think there were people who got it working fine, sec.
[11:45] <paddedwall> i'm not having any luck at all
[11:45] <eobanb> userone, i'm afraid that in this case you're going to have to ask for the file again in a different format
[11:46] <dagrump_> boricua: try #xgk-ubuntu :) if any 1 is awake
[11:46] <bimberi> userone: yes it is, it just appears that handling the Microsoft Publisher format is not something that someone has written for linux
[11:46] <Cainus> kblibt: no mention of disabled... though I do seem to have two multimedia audio controllers
[11:46] <eobanb> dafart, you mean #ubuntu-xgl
[11:46] <paddedwall> i tried Drake, but it hangs at "Loading hardware drivers..."
[11:46] <eobanb> er, dagrump_
[11:46] <axs221> eobanb: what about the firefox buttons? it happens other places in the window manager too
[11:46] <paddedwall> Then, I tried 5.10, and it won't even finish the install
[11:46] <userone> we use file converters in CAD all the time..maybe thats a specialist industry?
[11:46] <eigenlambda> how to set up new latex .sty?
[11:46] <eigenlambda> i need to use gb4e
[11:47] <penguin42> userone: What file formats?
[11:47] <eobanb> penguin42, he's trying to open an MS Publisher file
[11:47] <Sanne> paddedwall, that doesn't sound good... maybe I should reconsider. Did you try the alternate dapper install cd? Might give better results.
[11:47] <Milktea> Where is Firefox normally installed to?
[11:47] <penguin42> eobanb: Ah.....
[11:47] <eobanb> Milktea, uh, /usr/bin/ ?
[11:47] <paddedwall> the "alternate" cd?
[11:47] <stefg> axs221: did you install any themes from a third-paty site like art.gnome.org or gnomelook ?
[11:47] <userone> bimberi: thanks...I suspected that..but anybody have any ideas for a 'quick and dirty' solution? I just need to view the file
[11:47] <Milktea> okay thanks
[11:47] <eigenlambda> ne1 know how use tex .sty downloaded from web?
[11:48] <eigenlambda> is there ctan command anywhere?
[11:48] <paddedwall> i feel like I'm back in the 80's
[11:48] <dagrump_> eobband: oldfart yeah so what
[11:48] <axs221> stefg: nope, the only theme i've installed so far on this machine was on KDE, i'm using Gnome right now with the default cursor
[11:48] <Sanne> paddedwall (please type my name so I get notified when you reply). The cd with the text installer, called alternate, not the live cd.
[11:48] <eigenlambda> you were alive in 80s?
[11:48] <bimberi> userone: apart from getting someone who has publisher to save it in another format, no sorry :/
[11:48] <axs221> stefg: the other cursors do the same thing
[11:48] <userone> penguin42: MS Publisher file format
[11:48] <kb1ibt> Cainus: not sure exactly then but maybe it is being sent to the wrong controller, is one built-in the MoBo and the other an expansion card?
[11:49] <stefg> hmm.. thought it could ahve been a gtk-engine problem, but that is unlikely with the defult theme
[11:49] <paddedwall> sanne nope, but I don't think it'll matter. The live cd booted to it's desktop (note that it succeeded in "loading hardware drivers to get to the desktop), but after installing, it hung up
[11:50] <ompaul> hmm
[11:50] <Cainus> kblibt: I'm thinking you might be right... is there a way to see what apps are using sound?  xmms is telling me some other app is using it now...
[11:50] <eigenlambda> ya chanserv goes crayz soometimes
[11:50] <eobanb> paddedwall, perhaps try the 6.06 alternate disc?
[11:51] <Sanne> paddedwall, I would try it, before giving up on it, but I'm also not sure if it helps.
[11:51] <stefg> Wasn't there a distinction between hardware- and software-cursors in the xorg-conf? Never touched that but could be a hint
[11:51] <kb1ibt> Cainus: sorry that is something that i don't have a clue on
[11:51] <kimo> why is mplayer video bad when using XV, but ok, with X11 ?
[11:51] <snoops> mwe hmm well at the moment i just switched them.. so middle click(originally sending key 2) sends key 6, and side scroll left(originally key 6) sends key 2
[11:51] <Cainus> kblibt: k thanks... I think I might be close... I just don't want to reboot to free that up :)
[11:52] <Bjoern-Erik> Is it possible to use SHA-1 for the password-hashes instead of MD5?
[11:52] <eobanb> kimo, 'XV'?
[11:52] <penguin42> kimo: Typically a bug in the Xv part of your video cards driver
[11:52] <paddedwall> sanne i'm kinda bored with downloading distros, but I guess i'll give this a try (i thought this kind of crap was solved years ago with Linux)
[11:52] <Cainus> anyone know how to find what app is using sound so I can kill it?
[11:52] <kimo> hmm ... it's i915
[11:52] <eobanb> paddedwall, i'll ask again, have you tried the alternate install disc?
[11:52] <penguin42> Cainus: lsof /dev/audio or /dev/dsp  sometimes does it
[11:53] <skavenge> i've got a question, at random times while X is running all my videos regardless of format all wash out .. a restart of X fixes it but its rather annoying, im using totem with the gstreamer backend, used xine as well and it does the same thing .. anyone know how to fix this or at least reset without restarting X?
[11:53] <userone> what about netpbm for file conversion?
[11:53] <userone> let me try...
[11:53] <paddedwall> eobanb I'll say it again, the install went fine - it hangs when I try to boot from the hd
[11:53] <Sanne> paddedwall, if and when linux drivers are available depends largely on the cooperation of hardware vendors, it will be never 'solved' as long as there's new hardware.
[11:53] <penguin42> userone: It will do image files to and from pbm format
[11:53] <eobanb> paddedwall, so both the desktop and the alternate discs produced the same result?
[11:53] <rioch> Hi all, I installed the nvidia drivers but it wouldnt pick up my laptop display correctly. Any suggestions on how to correct it?
[11:53] <Cainus> penguin42: thanks...that worked :)
[11:54] <kb1ibt> what is the easiest way to get cairo 1.2.0 running on my dapper since it isn't in a repository yet
[11:54] <kimo> skavenge: maybe choose a different output driver (X11/shm) works ok here
[11:54] <mwe> snoops: I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're trying to acheive
[11:54] <Jack_Sparrow> paddedwall:  Are you dual booting
[11:54] <paddedwall> sanne that's a cop-out - theis very same motherboard allows me to install Windows 2000 without any problems - that OS is 5 years older than the motherboard - Linux should be able to do the same thing
[11:54] <skavenge> kimo; hm havent looked into that ill check it out
[11:54] <eternaljoy> im using xchat 2.6.4. How do I ignore a person using this xchat version?
[11:54] <paddedwall> jack_sparrow nope - brand new 200gb hard drive with nothing but linux on it
[11:55] <eternaljoy> im using xchat 2.6.4. but in older versions I could right click on nicks and chose ignore! How do I ignore a person using this xchat version?
[11:55] <eobanb> paddedwall, i'll ask AGAIN, did the desktop and the alternate discs produce the same result?
[11:55] <skavenge> eternaljoy: try  /ignore nick
[11:55] <eternaljoy> skavenge: doesnt work
[11:55] <skavenge> hm wierd
[11:55] <eternaljoy> skavenge: why doesnt right click work as in older xchat versions?
[11:56] <skavenge> i couldnt say, i dont use xchat .. i figured /ignore was a pretty standard command though, obviously not
[11:56] <mwe> eternaljoy: /ignore buthead wors here
[11:56] <Sanne> paddedwall, hardware vendors write drivers for windows. They mostly don't do that for Linux. People have to program them in their free time, sometimes playing hide and seek with the hardware vendors when trying to guess the specifications some vendors won't release. It's a bit unfair to compare Linux and Windows in this regard.
[11:56] <paddedwall> eobanb freakin no dude - I'm downloading it now, but an alternate install will install the same freakin thing, right?
[11:56] <Jack_Sparrow> padded, is it sata?
[11:56] <paddedwall> just without the retty graphic front end
[11:56] <paddedwall> yes
[11:57] <penguin42> Sanne: Unfortunately from a user view that doesn't help
[11:57] <eobanb> paddedwall, it could have something to do with an error in the install process which could be specific to the desktop CD, so PLEASE, instead of trolling, just try the other CD...don't really know what else you expect us to do
[11:57] <Gullstad> !traceroute
[11:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about traceroute
[11:57] <Sanne> penguin42, you're right, but it helps understanding why things are the way they are, and maybe stop demanding unreasonable things.
[11:57] <paddedwall> jack_sparrow, it's an Asrock 939 dual sata2 and I'm using the onboard sound and NIC, a couple of sata drives, but no raid
[11:57] <roostishaw> if i've got some c source code, how do i compile it? gcc -o endprogram source.c ?
[11:57] <Gullstad> Whats the bash command for traceroute?
[11:57] <userone> penguin24: I just installed netpbm and a2ps (yes, I'm getting desperate!)..but how do I get them to work using terminal..
[11:58] <skavenge> Sanne: i agree
[11:58] <askyleX> what's exactly the diff between alternate and desktop ?
[11:58] <kimo> Cairo 1.2 is out :) hurraaayy , since i live in cairo, gotta get this one fast :)
[11:58] <Jack_Sparrow> paddedwall: do you have a cmos/bios option to treat those sata as ide?
[11:58] <eobanb> askyle, the desktop boots a liveCD and has a graphical installer.
[11:58] <skavenge> too many are asking to be spoonfed for free not realizing what windows costs vs linux
[11:58] <kb1ibt> kimo: i was asking about that earlier
[11:58] <kb1ibt> kimo: i need it for WebKit
[11:58] <stefg> !download
[11:58] <penguin42> userone: They aren't going to let you read an MS Publisher file
[11:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[11:59] <paddedwall> jack_sparrow - don't know
[11:59] <askyleX> eobanb: i noticed that while i failed dismally to install dapper on my gf's box -- what does the alternate do?
[11:59] <eobanb> askyle, the alternate uses the legacy debian installer
[11:59] <Gullstad> Whats the bash command for traceroute?
[11:59] <penguin42> askyleX: Where did it break?
[11:59] <userone> penguin42: ok...what if I could convert the format into something I can read..any ideas?
[11:59] <Sanne> skavenge, exactly
[11:59] <eobanb> Gullstad, bash has no inbuilt traceroute, you'll have to install traceroute
[11:59] <kb1ibt> Gullstad: u probably don't have it installed
[12:00] <kimo> Gullstad: try tracepath
[12:00] <eobanb> !info traceroute
[12:00] <ubotu> traceroute: traces the route taken by packets over a TCP/IP network. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.4a12-20 (dapper), package size 21 kB, installed size 104 kB
[12:00] <penguin42> userone: Linux won't be able to do that convert; if you can convert it into an MS Word/Powerpoint file then you can edit it in Open Office, if you can expor tit as PDF you can display it in various packages
[12:00] <eobanb> ^-- there you go, Gullstad
[12:00] <Jack_Sparrow> paddedwall:  My bios has two options for the sata, I would vheck the next time you reboot.