[00:53] <hubuntu> no sleep pep?
[00:54] <pep> hubuntu: nah... too warm :) I decided to do something useful instead, I'll just get up later tomorrow ;)
[00:54] <pep> I created a branch in lp, I'm generating my ssh key now...
[00:56] <pep> hubuntu: which time zone are you in?
[00:56] <hubuntu> same as you
[00:56] <pep> ok, so it's late too :)
[00:57] <hubuntu> yeah
[00:57] <hubuntu> it's all good tough...
[01:01] <hubuntu> gotta leave you now
[01:01] <hubuntu> peace out
[01:01] <greg-g> FYI: my feed has not updated on planet.ubuntu.com  I updated the config.ini and commited my changes last night.  The planet still references my old location.
[01:01] <pep> hubuntu: see you
[01:02] <greg-g> (actually, I'm not even sure if this is the correct team to report my issue to, so let me know if you have a better idea)
[04:33] <newz2000> greg-g: you'll be best off sending an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I think
[06:39] <greg-g> newz2000: thanks, will do
[14:46] <newz2000> good morning
[14:48] <Volans> Hi newz2000 :)
[14:48] <newz2000> Volans: I talked to mdke, he said to schedule the meeting and if he can make it he will
[14:49] <newz2000> so I think we should get it going... do you want to help plan it?
[14:49] <Volans> ok, then who are the other guys that MUST Be there?
[14:49] <Volans> you, obviously
[14:49] <newz2000> that was it
[14:49] <Volans> only you?
[14:49] <newz2000> I'd like to establish the "drivers" for each project, and ensure they get the info they need
[14:50] <newz2000> and I think the meeting will help that
[14:50] <Volans> sure, hoping for a large participation
[14:50] <newz2000> so far there have been drivers for start page and feature tour project
[14:51] <newz2000> vbabiy is the one for the feature tour at the moment... I'll have to look up who's working on the start page.
[14:52] <Volans> newz2000: for the start page I think there are many ideas but for me what is not so clear is what are the boudary for the changes we can do in that page
[14:52] <vbabiy> Yeah I would really like to be there
[14:54] <newz2000> Lizzeh is the one taking initiative on the start page
[14:59] <newz2000> Volans: do you want to act as the first secretary for the web presence team and coordinate the meeting or would you rather have me do it?
[14:59] <newz2000> don't feel pressured if you don't want it, I'm happy to do it.
[15:00] <Volans> newz2000: I think the most appropriate people for that will be you, but I'm happy to help you or do it if you have problems or other thing to do
[15:00] <Volans> (and thanks for the proposal ;) )
[15:00] <newz2000> no, I'm fine. My goal in asking you was to get more people involved in the team. Make it more "community"
[15:01] <newz2000> less like a dictatorship
[15:02] <newz2000> I've invited BinaryDigit since that's Lizzeh, the person who expressed interest in the start page
[15:03] <Volans> this is not a dictatorship... and can't do a complete democracy, we can't decide every thing in 100 people...
[15:04] <newz2000> I agree
[15:05] <newz2000> let's see if Lizzeh joins here soon and we'll see if we can coordinate some tentative times before tossing it onto the list
[15:06] <boredandblogging> we just like "benevolent" dictators :-P
[15:06] <Volans> ok, I have seen now the fridge calendar and there are many empty days, so I think no problem for that
[15:07] <Volans> newz2000: in general you prefer a working day or saturday/sunday for the meeting?
[15:07] <newz2000> I'm flexible but I think I'd prefer a weekday
[15:07] <newz2000> and regarding schedule, I think we should do it right here to get people familiar with the channel and ensure they feel welcome to join any time
[15:08] <newz2000> is there a benefit to doing it in #ubuntu-meeting?
[15:08] <boredandblogging> as long ubuntulog does its job, not really
[15:08] <newz2000> I checked the logs the other day and they were moving along nicely
[15:09] <newz2000> is there a way to create a flag in the log for when an event occurrs?
[15:09] <boredandblogging> i believe thats what mootbot is for
[15:10] <boredandblogging> newz2000: maybe I misunderstood
[15:10] <boredandblogging> thought you were talking about highlighting action and topics
[15:11] <newz2000> no, I just mean create an anchor in the html log so that we can link to it
[15:11] <boredandblogging> not that I know of
[15:11] <Volans> newz2000: I can see an example log of this bot?
[15:11] <newz2000> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/16/%23ubuntu-website.html
[15:12] <newz2000> I'll ask the irc team real quick, but even if this isn't supported I still think there's compelling benefits to having a meeting here
[15:13] <Volans> we can put in the log a text like "MEETING START NOW"
[15:13] <Volans> and tell people to read after that
[15:13] <Volans> in the log of the day
[15:13] <Volans> of the meeting
[15:13] <newz2000> Excellent suggestion
[15:14] <Volans> and same at the end... ;)
[15:15] <boredandblogging> or put a long "-----------------------------"
[15:15] <Volans> only possible problem doing the meeting here... there ins't the bot that tell you that the time is finished... and there aren't other meetings after... so we can continue for many hours...
[15:16] <newz2000> Or maybe,
[15:16] <Volans> if we don't manage the time
[15:16] <newz2000> I'm good at not letting meetings go long
[15:17] <newz2000> if we do have a problem though we can do the next one in #ubuntu-meeting
[15:24] <newz2000> someone recently commented on my blog about a js library called sproutcore that they think will be an up and commer in the future
[15:25] <newz2000> presumably http://www.sproutcore.com
[15:25] <newz2000> looks like a ui library
[15:25] <boredandblogging> is that the apple thing?
[15:25] <newz2000> yes
[15:25] <newz2000> looks handsome, feels a little rough
[15:26] <newz2000> but they say the same thing about me...
[15:26] <newz2000> ;-)
[15:26] <boredandblogging> lol
[15:26] <Volans> the photo demo have occupied all my RAM :)
[15:27] <newz2000> yeah, that's a heavy page
[15:28] <Volans> newz2000: seems more appropiate for real JS application instead of graphical effects that we need
[15:28] <newz2000> I agree.
[15:28] <newz2000> I'm not sure I'm on board with the idea that a web app should look like a desktop app
[15:29] <newz2000> though it would be nice to have a few richer controls once in a while (like the slider control or a calendar picker)
[15:30] <newz2000> I'll be back in 15m, if we haven't heard from Lizzeh then I'll go ahead and send an email to the list
[15:31] <Volans> for a single control we can have a smaller JS with only that control
[15:31] <Volans> ok+
[15:47] <newz2000> ok, I'll send the email and we'll get discussion started
[15:48] <newz2000> anyone have any suggestions for how we should best choose a time for the meeting?
[15:48] <newz2000> should I just toss out three options and let people vote?
[15:48] <Volans> I think the better is 2-3 date with 2 different time for each date
[15:48] <Volans> and vote
[15:48] <Volans> to maximize the time zones coverage
[15:48] <newz2000> ok, good point
[15:49] <Volans> the better options probably will be
[15:49] <Volans> very early in the morning in alaska
[15:49] <Volans> (like 6-7 o'click)
[15:49] <Volans> *clock
[15:50] <newz2000> ok, so it's 6:49am in Alaska now
[15:50] <Volans> but 00:49 at brisbane
[15:51] <Volans> a part australia, now we cover all the other timezones of the team people that have declared it
[15:51] <Volans> so is a possibility
[15:53] <Volans> the other possibility is the opposite... 6 o'clock in the morning in australia est, 21 at london 02:30 in India
[23:27] <Volans> newz2000: Hi, have you spoken with Lizzeh for the meeting?


[07:32] <hplc> anyone knows if theres any premade guide to howto make a http streaming movieserver out of ubuntu-server?
[07:39] <KervyN> Hi maybe someone could help me to find a good piece of software. I am looking for a caching proxy for apt and yum. It should verify signatures and work with ssl. AND it should only cache the packages, not the indexes :-) Any idea?
[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:16] <KervyN> Hiho
[12:36] <stonerl> KervyN: I used apt-cacher
[12:37] <stonerl> https://alioth.debian.org/projects/apt-cacher-ng/
[12:39] <KervyN> stonerl: Problem is the missing gpg verification
[12:39] <KervyN> but thanks :-)
[12:41] <stonerl> you're welcome
[13:15] <admin0> in /proc/irq/default_smp_affinity , i see some servers have ffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff  while some have ffff,ffffffff .. which is the correct one ? all servers are same and have 32 cpus each
[14:08] <Pici> 6/70
[15:06] <ara> stgraber, hey!
[15:07] <ara> stgraber, I am getting the errors generating locales in LXC (host trusty, container trusty)
[15:07] <ara> stgraber, similar to these: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/969299
[15:07] <ara> stgraber, but that's supposed to be fixed a long long time ago (and I can still remember, how that music...)
[15:28] <ara> stgraber, no worries, fixed
[15:28] <ara> stgraber, some misconfiguration of locales in my host was affecting the container
[15:31] <stgraber> ara: ah, good
[15:33] <ara> stgraber, it is that I have all my system in English and, therefore, I had installed language-pack-en
[15:33] <ara> stgraber, but my timezone was Spain/Madrid, but I hadn't language-pack-es installed (I guess it is not needed for just the timezone)
[15:33] <ara> stgraber, but lxc didn't like it
[15:34] <ara> installing language-pack-es in the host and clearing the cache solved the issue
[16:01] <Elion> hello, i just installed via pxe an ubuntu server 15.04, and i can't get it to boot, the first error was : diskfilter writes are not supported, i managed to avoid it by replacing 'quick_boot="1"' with 'quick_boot="0"', but now i get "can't find command load_video" how can i fix it ?
[16:33] <smb> utlemming, arges, ok xe-guest-utilities (proposed) installed on p,t,v and bug updated
[16:34] <arges> smb: thanks!
[17:43] <Elion> Hi, how can i connect to a wireless 802.1X PEAP mschapv2 network with ubuntu 15.04 server ?
[17:43] <Elion> (woops my bad, this network is not wireless !)
[17:49] <Elion> but still i can't connect on this network...
[17:57] <teward> Elion: have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Network802.1xAuthentication
[17:57] <teward> Elion: and is it wireless or wired?
[18:57] <teward> sarnold: were there any updates to OpenSSL in the past three days?
[18:59] <sarnold> teward: no, most recently was to wily openssl in the middle of july https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl
[18:59] <teward> sarnold: no updates for Trusty by sec team, etc.?
[18:59] <sarnold> teward: no, most recent for trusty was three months ago, in june
[21:50] <jrwren> anyone good with cloud-init and cloudimg know why openssh wouldn't be listening? I thought it always ran by default in cloudimg. Do I have to do something to get it to start?
[21:52] <sarnold> jrwren: do you need to deal with e.g. security groups in your cloud provider?
[21:52] <jrwren> sarnold: I'm my cloud provider. I'm using xhyve.
[21:52] <jrwren> it turns out it kinda worked.
[21:52] <sarnold> aha :)
[21:52] <sarnold> hooray
[21:52] <sarnold> did it take forever to generate server keys or something?
[21:53] <jrwren> it had to wait for cloud-init to timeout trying a couple of unwanted sources. I wonder if I can use kcmdline to tell it to skip those?
[21:54] <jrwren> it was calling http://{DEFAULTROUTE}/latest/meta-data/instance-id  and http://<IP_ADDRESS>/2009-04-04/meta-data/instance-id
[21:54] <sarnold> ahh I always wondered where those things were hosted


[06:24] <LaserJock> anybody awake?
[06:39] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: you up?
[06:50] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: I am
[06:50] <LaserJock> I just submitted a story for Full Circle
[06:50] <Burgundavia> ahh, excellent
[06:53] <Burgundavia> approved
[06:54] <LaserJock> ok, I'll reply to the email
[06:55] <LaserJock> under 2hrs
[06:57] <LaserJock> we're getting good turn-around
[06:57] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:00] <Burgundavia> there are now enough of us
[07:01] <LaserJock> yeah, once you get a critical mass things kinda roll
[07:06] <LaserJock> good night, thanks Corey


[00:00] <jam> wgrant: just merged devel 12533, and pushed. No conflicts, fwiw.
[00:00] <jam> now, time for me to go sleep
[00:00] <jam> hopefully benji will comment on the proposal soon, so we can get it landed before downtime.
[00:00] <jam> but, probably not today :)
[00:02] <benji> jam: is this the email I replied to about 12 hours ago?
[00:02] <jam> benji: right. I guess you need to put your Release Manager stamp on the merge proposal itself
[00:02] <jam> at least, that is what I gleaned from wgrant's comment
[00:03] <benji> I can do t
[00:03] <benji> hat
[00:03] <benji> (If someone can tell me how.)
[00:03] <jam> don't look at me :)
[00:03] <benji> heh
[00:04] <benji> jam: which MP is it?
[00:05] <jam> https://code.launchpad.net/~jameinel/launchpad/lp-serve-child-hangup/+merge/51893
[00:05] <jam> is the lp proposal
[00:05] <jam> and https://code.launchpad.net/~jameinel/lp-production-configs/enable-forking/+merge/52297
[00:05] <jam> is the config change
[00:06] <benji> ok, let me see if there's something obvious I can do to them
[00:06] <wgrant> benji: Review with type 'rc', or 'release-critical'. I forget which.
[00:06]  * wgrant checks.
[00:06] <benji> cool, that's along the lines of what I was thinking
[00:06] <wgrant> jam: I'd already done that locally, so it's already in ec2.
[00:06] <wgrant> I'll lp-land it once it succeeds.
[00:07] <wgrant> lib/devscripts/autoland.py:        if 'release-critical' in review_type:
[00:09] <benji> cool, release-critical it is
[00:09] <wgrant> Thanks.
[00:09] <benji> done
[00:10] <benji> I'm going away now, but much like he-who-must-not-be-named, if you mention my name I'll find you whereever you are.
[00:10] <wgrant> Heh.
[00:12] <wgrant> jam: I won't land the prod configs change until we have confirmed LOSA availability for the rest of the day of the deployment.
[00:12] <wgrant> Just in case.
[00:13] <wgrant> Since we had no spm last week.
[00:13] <jam> wgrant: sounds reasonable
[04:27] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #508: FAILURE in 15 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/508/
[04:41] <wgrant> bzrlib.errors.InvalidHttpResponse: Invalid http response for https://xmlrpc.launchpad.net/bazaar/: Unable to handle http code 502: Bad Gateway
[04:41] <wgrant> That's not good.
[04:48] <StevenK> Whee
[04:49] <StevenK> Slave deleted
[04:49] <wgrant> It wasn't a slave fault.
[04:49] <wgrant> But OK.
[04:50] <StevenK> I know, just want to certain it doesn't affect a later build
[04:50] <wgrant> Ah, true.
[04:50] <StevenK> I can check out lp:difftacular locally
[04:52] <StevenK> Ah, it was a change. Let me schedule a build.
[06:23] <lifeless> ola
[06:27] <wgrant> Hi lifeless.
[06:27] <lifeless> epic lounge time
[06:28] <wgrant> SYD?
[06:28] <lifeless> yeah
[06:29] <lifeless> hmmm
[06:30] <lifeless> I think tomorrow I'll add the new appserver instances, patch oops-tools to not truncate the lists of incidents and iterate on my bug 727560
[06:30] <_mup_> Bug #727560: Archive:EntryResource:getPublishedSources <timeout> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/727560 >
[06:30] <wgrant> List of incidents? You mean list of exceptions?
[06:31] <lifeless> wgrant: hows our in dc latency going ?
[06:31] <lifeless> wgrant: yeah, the 'X of Y' in the headings.
[06:31] <lifeless> oh, and with the report not truncating, drop the soyuz specific report.
[06:31] <wgrant> lifeless: Up to 100ms.
[06:32] <wgrant> lifeless: Yeah, I think we can probably do that now.
[06:32] <lifeless> mmm, still tolerable.
[06:32] <wgrant> The main report will become a lot shorter this week.
[06:32] <lifeless> not not brilliant
[06:32] <lifeless> wgrant: it doesn't really matter how long it is.
[06:33] <wgrant> lifeless: Bug #730011
[06:33] <_mup_> Bug #730011: ~registry should be able to unsuspend accounts <chr> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/730011 >
[06:33] <wgrant> Can you see any reason not to allow ~registry to traverse to suspended accounts?
[06:33] <lifeless> possibly
[06:34] <lifeless> it would depend on the style of suspension
[06:34] <lifeless> resurrect a 'banned cause a bot was spamming via your account' -> fine
[06:34] <lifeless> suspended cause they were a dirty dirty hacker -> fine IFF we make the cause /realllllly clear/
[06:35] <wgrant> Right.
[06:35] <lifeless> suspended if they used legal action to get all details removed and DPA stuff ... no
[06:35] <lifeless> or at least, I'd want legal to comment on the third
[06:35] <lifeless> I think if you get charlie and elmo to agree, that its pragmatically fine.
[06:36] <lifeless> remembering that non-canonical are in ~regstry too
[06:36] <lifeless> we may have 0 of the third case and not handle them in the normal way anyhow
[06:36] <lifeless> which would make the concern irrelevant
[06:39]  * lifeless just fixed 7 oops a day
[06:39] <wgrant> Oh?
[06:39] <lifeless> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMediaCenter?action=diff&rev2=50&rev1=49
[06:40] <wgrant> Hah.
[06:40] <wgrant> They're not real OOPSes.
[06:40] <lifeless> well
[06:41] <lifeless> they are within the set of 'canonical' web properties that its useful to report on bad links
[06:41] <lifeless> so I don't feel comfortable deleting them
[06:41] <wgrant> True
[06:42] <lifeless> and another 9
[06:42] <lifeless>  10 NotFound: Object: <Product at INSTANCE-ID>, name: u'latest-bugs.atom '
[06:42] <lifeless>    GET: 10 Robots: 0  Local: 10 Most Common Referrer: http://feeds.launchpad.net/lilregcleaner/latest-bugs.atom%20
[06:43] <lifeless>      10 http://feeds.launchpad.net/lilregcleaner/latest-bugs.atom%20 (Unknown)
[06:43] <lifeless> I wonder if thats real, or bad data *within* lp
[06:43] <wgrant> There are a few other odd ones like that.
[06:43] <lifeless> which will be a pita to correct because its a users data
[06:43] <lifeless> erm
[06:43] <lifeless> wtf
[06:43] <lifeless> http://answers.launchpad.net/index.php
[06:43] <lifeless> GET: 12 Robots: 0  Local: 12 Most Common Referrer: http://answers.launchpad.net/index.php
[06:43] <wgrant> eg. '%20source' instead of '+source' sometimes, as a referer.
[06:44] <wgrant> Which is clearly fake.
[06:44] <wgrant> But why.
[06:44] <lifeless> hack attempts ?
[06:44] <wgrant> Presumably.
[06:44] <wgrant> But why.
[06:44] <lifeless> because we're running php ...
[06:45] <wgrant> Oh, the index.php one is clearly a hack attempt, yes.
[06:45] <wgrant> But the other s/+/%20/ probably aren';t.
[06:45] <lifeless> you're talking https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-russian-guide/lucid-guide/lucid-guide-1.0/%20download/ ?
[06:46] <lifeless> ok, flight time
[06:46] <lifeless> ciao
[10:11] <LPCIBot> Yippie, build fixed!
[10:11] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #509: FIXED in 5 hr 7 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/509/
[11:22] <lifeless> bah, frozen
[11:22] <lifeless> we'll see how this db deploy goes, I think we're probably ready to move freeze to monday morning
[11:23] <lifeless> wgrant: lp:~lifeless/launchpad/bug-727560 has had all the tests that failed in my ec2 run fixed
[11:23] <wgrant> lifeless: We almost ended up having to delay it to then anyway.
[11:24] <lifeless> because of the conflict?
[11:24] <wgrant> Yes.
[11:24] <wgrant> And we were running out of mbarnett.
[11:24] <lifeless> say its not so
[11:25] <wgrant> I think we should freeze on Monday morning and possibly aim to unfreeze by the next morning.
[11:25] <lifeless> 5 hours should be all we nned
[11:25] <lifeless> direct landing to devel
[11:26] <lifeless> one buildbot
[11:26] <lifeless> deploy to qas.
[11:26] <lifeless> test
[11:26] <lifeless> wgrant: I think we should freeze closer, too - but have been taking incremental steps
[11:26] <lifeless> less risk
[11:26] <wgrant> Sure.
[11:29] <wgrant> I think the future will become more clear after a couple more normal releases.
[11:29] <wgrant> 11.02 was rather anomalous.
[11:30] <lifeless> we need to be able to handle that too though
[11:30] <wgrant> Do we?
[11:31] <lifeless> there will always be exceptions and surprises
[11:31] <lifeless> we need to have a way to cope
[11:31] <wgrant> There will.
[11:31] <wgrant> But they can be handled by reversion, if we make the window too narrow.
[11:31] <lifeless> be that 'don't merge that patch' or 'don't do a deploy' or whatever.
[11:32] <lifeless> well, there's no guarantee that reverting some patch P out of a sequence N >= P items long will be itself regression free
[11:32] <lifeless> I'm not trying to say /how/ we should handle it
[11:32] <lifeless> but we need to think about how to handle it
[11:32] <wgrant> Right.
[11:32] <lifeless> avoiding the issue is one way, but tends to be rigid and expensive most of the time
[11:33] <lifeless> having a fallback plan is a different way
[11:33] <lifeless> like a second deploy date booked 2 days later
[11:33] <lifeless> a third is much more regular db deploys
[11:33] <wgrant> Lots of patches are short and suitable for regular DB deploys.
[11:34] <wgrant> 11.02 was not.
[11:34] <lifeless> the problem isn't (usually) the patch size
[11:34] <lifeless> its doing the deploy itself.
[11:34] <lifeless> readonly mode is /expensive/ to invoke
[11:34] <lifeless> we can't do readonly mode more than once every 3 days
[11:34] <lifeless> not reliably
[11:34] <wgrant> Why not?
[11:34] <wgrant> The rebuild?
[11:35] <lifeless> because after doing readonly mode the readonly replica has to be rebuilt
[11:35] <wgrant> True.
[11:35] <lifeless> 11.02 was fine patch size
[11:35] <wgrant> Although that only take 24hourish.
[11:35] <lifeless> the problem there was stale locks on the sso replica
[11:35] <wgrant> Estimates said that the patches would almost exhaust the window.
[11:35] <lifeless> estimate was on crack
[11:36] <wgrant> They were in fact much shorter, but that's not what we thought before hand.
[11:36] <lifeless> no, they weren't.
[11:36] <lifeless> the estimate was inflated by calculating slony slaves as linear sums
[11:36] <wgrant> Hence they were shorter than the estimates.
[11:36] <lifeless> but ddl propogates to the slaves same as normal commits - in paralle.
[11:36] <lifeless> well, depends on your definition.
[11:37] <lifeless> if you run the right formula on the original patch time, the predicted time was right no
[11:37] <lifeless> *on8
[11:37] <wgrant> Sure.
[11:37] <wgrant> But the original patch time is not the interesting one.
[11:38] <lifeless> what is?
[11:38] <wgrant> The final value that tells us how long the window needs to be.
[11:41] <lifeless> I don't understand why you prefaced your prior assertion with 'but'.
[11:41] <lifeless> given I too was talking about the predicted time.
[11:42] <lifeless> I think we're both pretty clear on the constraints
[11:47] <lifeless> http://codeascraft.etsy.com/2011/02/15/measure-anything-measure-everything/ looks nice
[11:57] <lifeless> gnight
[11:59] <wgrant> Night.
[21:03] <wallyworld> lifeless: are you able to +1 on this mp now that i've exported to the correct version as requested: https://code.launchpad.net/~wallyworld/launchpad/mp-related-bugtasks-webservice/+merge/52004
[21:13] <lifeless> wallyworld: actually I'm thinking we probably shouldn't export it at all
[21:13] <lifeless> wallyworld: its entirely redundant with a bug search for branch=X
[21:13] <lifeless> wallyworld: I dunno
[21:14] <wallyworld> lifeless: i have no real opinion on it. it just seemed like something that people would want to do.
[22:00] <StevenK> wgrant: Have you seen the OOPS report today?
[22:01] <lifeless> StevenK: do you mean sundays? tordays is 3 hours away
[22:01] <StevenK> Likely
[22:07] <wgrant> StevenK: You mean the QISEs that started on Friday?
[22:07] <StevenK> wgrant: Indeed.
[22:07] <wgrant> Basically, delayed copies suck.
[22:08] <wgrant> And are completely unnecessary.
[22:08] <wgrant> Particularly with the branch I am about to propose.
[22:09] <StevenK> wgrant: Oh, do you have a nice suggestion of how I can take a .dsc in the tree and import it into the librarian and create publishing history for it?
[22:09] <wgrant> If we have an spm today we can reject those two PUs.
[22:09] <wgrant> StevenK: Why?
[22:09] <wgrant> Testing the changelog populator?
[22:09] <StevenK> Right
[22:10] <wgrant> StevenK: I'd to it manually.
[22:10] <wgrant> makeSourcePackagePublishingHistory probably doesn't create any SPRfs.
[22:10] <wgrant> So you can add them yourse.f
[22:10] <wgrant> And I cannot type.
[22:10] <StevenK> Haha
[22:10] <StevenK> More caffeine? Less caffeine?
[22:21] <lifeless> wgrant: fyi (cause I know you're interested) - https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/lp-production-configs/pending/+merge/52345
[22:22] <lifeless> how does one get a bug notification level of nothing ?
[22:23] <wgrant> lifeless: I think you need the advanced subscriptions UI :(
[22:24] <wgrant> That's why I haven't already done that
[22:25] <lifeless> ditto tims patch I guess ?
[22:25] <lifeless> wgrant: you could give yourself that on dogfood, for the former
[22:26] <wgrant> Ah, true, Julian's not around.
[22:26] <lifeless> wgrant: him being around would interfere?
[22:26] <wgrant> He would go on a rant about how it's only for Soyuz testing :P
[22:26] <lifeless> its a team qa resource
[22:30] <lifeless> wgrant: so, want to file a new bug via email with 32K of text or whatever? [I still haven't setup dkim on my domain yet]
[22:30] <wgrant> lifeless: My DKIM isn't trusted, but I can gpg-sign it...
[22:30] <lifeless> wgrant: yeah
[22:31] <lifeless> then we can get spm to run process-mail
[22:31] <lifeless> and we should get a reject in the staging mailbox
[22:31] <wgrant> I think it runs regularly, actually.
[22:31] <wgrant> Judging by the number of OOPSes it generates.
[22:31] <wgrant> On staging, at least.
[22:31] <wgrant> I will spam both.
[22:38] <StevenK> Hm
[22:39] <StevenK> You'd think we'd have a helper in the test suite for "Here, punt this file into the Librarian"
[22:39] <wgrant> StevenK: Why do we need a helper?
[22:39] <wgrant> The API is not that terrible :)
[22:40] <StevenK> Clearly, I'm failing to read Python this morning, and require tea.
[22:41] <wgrant> lifeless: I'm currently making Bugs usable on mawson again with the same hack we used on qas.
[22:41] <wgrant> But it's taking a while.
[22:41] <thumper> lifeless: can I get you to mentor two reviews by wallyworld?
[22:41] <lifeless> wgrant: what was that ?
[22:41] <lifeless> thumper: sure
[22:41] <thumper> lifeless: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/mail-header-oops/+merge/52156 and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/strip-email-attachment-path/+merge/52159
[22:41] <thumper> damn edge
[22:42] <thumper> I just won't leave my browser memory
[22:42] <thumper> s/I/It/
[22:42] <wgrant> UPDATE bugmessage SET index=id WHERE index IS NULL;
[22:42] <lifeless> wgrant: we ran the indexer on qastaging :)
[22:43] <wgrant> lifeless: There were 3000 unindexed messages there when we tried to upgrade it on Saturday.
[22:43] <wgrant> Production is still fine.
[22:43] <wgrant> So I suspect the indexer stopped too early.
[22:43] <lifeless> ><
[22:43] <lifeless> ok
[23:18] <wgrant> Error message:
[23:18] <wgrant> The description is too long. If you have lots of text to add, use an
[23:18] <wgrant> attachment instead.
[23:18] <wgrant> Excellent.
[23:32] <lifeless> woo
[23:32] <lifeless> qa-ok ?
[23:32] <wgrant> Just waiting for a successful one to go through.
[23:33] <lifeless> http://webnumbr.com/launchpad-oops-bugs.all
[23:34] <StevenK> Where's spiv with his perspective graph? I liked that one better.
[23:35] <wgrant> lifeless: qa-ok
[23:36] <StevenK> wgrant: And you also did r12527?
[23:37] <wgrant> StevenK: i've just given up waiting for mawson.
[23:37] <wgrant> Going to live with the breakage.
[23:39] <thumper> lifeless: thanks for the review mentors.
[23:39] <thumper> lifeless: got any quick pointers to fake librarian usage?
[23:39] <thumper> also...
[23:39] <thumper> anyone remember the magic commands to add a loopback delay (and to clear it again) ?
[23:40] <StevenK> Rargh, LP's icon is broken still
[23:40] <lifeless> StevenK: where?
[23:41] <StevenK> lifeless: On any page -- last time, wgrant and I nailed it down to the librarian returning an incorrect content-type
[23:41] <lifeless> thumper: uhm, just grep for FakeLibrarian, its pretty self explanatory
[23:41] <lifeless> StevenK: ah, yes
[23:41] <StevenK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/643224 is where I noticed it
[23:41] <_mup_> Bug #643224: dkim whitelist should be in configuration <dkim> <feature-flags> <lp-foundations> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by mbp> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/643224 >
[23:41] <thumper> ok
[23:41] <lifeless> we should probably critical this
[23:41] <StevenK> And does the font used have to change every day?
[23:41] <StevenK> It's getting annoying.
[23:42] <wgrant> At the moment, yes.
[23:42] <StevenK> lifeless: Do eet
[23:44] <lifeless> oh man
[23:44] <lifeless> this is going to be fugly.
[23:44] <wgrant> Bug heat, please die.
[23:46] <wgrant> lifeless: We are deployable and releasable, yet disappointingly LOSA- and RM-less.
[23:47] <StevenK> Well, it is Sunday for BjornT
[23:47] <StevenK> DOH
[23:47]  * StevenK glares at irssi
[23:48] <lifeless> I'm thinking its time to ditch rm in a month or two
[23:48] <wgrant> I'd say so.
[23:50] <StevenK> And do what instead?
[23:50] <lifeless> StevenK: there's approximately zero to do.
[23:50] <StevenK> I disagree -- given the fun wallyworld had last rollout, for example
[23:51] <lifeless> StevenK: the only nontrivial thing remaining is blessing additional patches during freeze, and thats /only/ needed for fixes to DB patches which were incorrectly qa-ok in db-stable, or which break when combined with the tip of devel.
[23:51] <StevenK> Last rollout is not what I meant, but you see what I mean
[23:51] <lifeless> StevenK: that had no need to be centralised
[23:51] <wallyworld> there needs to be a point of contact that everyone knows about - as someone said to me, it's like herding cats
[23:52] <lifeless> wallyworld: there does?
[23:52] <wallyworld> i think so
[23:52] <lifeless> why?
[23:52] <wallyworld> if/when something goes wrong, there needs to be someone (the rm) accountable for liasing with whoever is needed to get it sorted out
[23:53] <wallyworld> also to chase up people for qa etc
[23:53] <wallyworld> to nominate what db-devel rev no will be used
[23:53] <lifeless> point by point
[23:53] <wallyworld> etc
[23:53] <lifeless> losas are doing the deploy, they are the only sane contact point to initiate any fubar
[23:53] <lifeless> qa chaseup is not needed - if its not qaed, its not in the deploy.
[23:54] <lifeless> the nomination of revisions is trivial, the report plus a quick eyeball over it can be done by anyone.
[23:55]  * thumper scratches his head
[23:55] <wallyworld> re qa: but what if there's a rev holding stuff up and the person just needs reminding or even the qa could just be done by someone else
[23:55] <StevenK> wallyworld: And yet you complain when wgrant does your QA? :-)
[23:55] <wallyworld> yes but "done by anyone" usually means "done by no-one" unless "someone" is accountable
[23:56] <wallyworld> StevenK: only because there's certain things i want to test :-)
[23:56] <lifeless> wallyworld: no, this is a false meme
[23:56] <lifeless> its possible to have a culture where team accountability matters
[23:56] <wallyworld> StevenK:  but close to a release, when stuff is being held up by a qa delay, you just want to get it done
[23:56] <StevenK> And I'm sure everyone is aware of the deployment report.
[23:56] <lifeless> in this specific case -
[23:56] <lifeless>  : if its not qaed, the pipeline stalls but the earlier stuff still gets released.
[23:57] <lifeless>  : if its not qaed and there is a revision after it that someone else wants included in the deploy, they have motivation to qa the earlier revision.
[23:57] <StevenK> lifeless: Er, but that doesn't work?
[23:57] <StevenK> Ah
[23:57] <lifeless> StevenK: by doesn't, you mean 'does'.
[23:58] <lifeless>  : if its not qaed, and there is nothing after it and the person that landed it doesn't care and noone else cares - then clearly the change isn't important enough to worry about us not having it in the deploy.
[23:58] <StevenK> lifeless: I was going to point out that we by definition want to deploy tip of stable since we merge db-devel into it
[23:58] <wgrant> StevenK: That was a matter of some contention last time.
[23:58] <wallyworld> but i maintain that qa is often best done by the person who wrote the code since they know the specific in's and out's and corner cases etc that need to be tested
[23:58] <lifeless> StevenK: we only merge teh qa-ok'd revisions of db-stable, we *do not* merge db-devel.
[23:58] <lifeless> wallyworld: then again, all the other devs have motivation to talk to them.
[23:58] <wgrant> wallyworld: I agree, but sometimes the pipeline is blocked and minimal QA is better than blockage.
[23:59] <lifeless> wallyworld: and if the change looks hard to qa, others can roll it out.
[23:59] <lifeless> *back it out*
[23:59] <lifeless> there are lots of options that don't depend on a single person nagging


[00:02] <jpds> Didn't even know I could do that.
[00:02] <bazhang> thanks , sorry to disturb
[00:59] <genii> Ok. So you know, I'm drunk as a skunk. Please devoice me where appropriate. Thank you for your atenttion in this mater.
[01:02] <elky> lol
[01:02] <elky> i have never actually seen a drunk skunk.
[01:02] <genii> elky: Im' seroius
[01:02] <elky> i imagine i'd smell it before i saw it
[01:03] <genii> *serious
[01:22] <bazhang> just take a rest for a few hours
[01:22]  * genii silps bazhang a coffee
[01:23] <genii> bah
[01:23] <bazhang> perfect timing genii :)
[01:23]  * genii slips bazhang a coffee
[01:25] <genii> OK I shuold say I am drunk. Please denounce decry devioce etc where I am porblemmatiuc
[01:25] <genii> etc
[01:27] <genii>  /me sips
[01:27] <genii> bah
[01:28]  * genii sips
[01:44] <bazhang> genii, maybe time to take a break
[01:46] <genii> bazhang: I agree
[03:58] <thewizord> kkathman: got my nexus one :D
[04:29] <wgrant> Can somebody please update the +1 topic with a note about the current breakage?
[04:46] <jrib> wgrant: what should it say
[04:47] <wgrant> jrib: Something like 'Auto-starting of GNOME is currently broken -- see bug #542343'
[04:50] <jrib> wgrant: done
[04:50] <wgrant> jrib: thanks.
[06:04] <wgrant> Can somebody please fix the +1 topic to have something like 'DO NOT UPGRADE: GNOME is broken (bug #542343)' at the start?
[06:04] <wgrant> It'll still be broken for a couple of hours, and on mirrors for longer than that.
[06:20] <tonyyarusso> Sure
[06:20] <wgrant> tonyyarusso: Thanks.
[06:23] <elky> once it's fixed, change it to "GNOME is broken -- they took away our tooltips :("
[06:25] <wgrant> Heh. yes.
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> rofl
[06:30] <elky> so apparently this is also to do with the notifier stuff, just like the window controls. if this is the case, then the notifier can go back to whence it came
[06:31] <wgrant> The notifiers are a good idea.
[06:31] <elky> not if it means we lose other functionality, they're not.
[06:31] <wgrant> s/The notifiers/indicator-application/
[06:31] <wgrant> But the restriction on functionality... right.
[06:32] <elky> that's like saying "ooh look, i got this new car, but it cost my MY ARMS AND LEGS YAAAAAAAY!"
[06:32] <wgrant> Yes.
[06:32] <wgrant> The tooltips issue was Won't Fixed without comment by sabdfl this morning.
[06:33] <elky> That's beyond messed up
[06:33] <wgrant> Way beyond.
[06:34] <elky> unless this is part of the "wait until beta then we'll reconsider", this might just be the last straw for me. If i can't turn that stuff on with a *SIMPLE* click, then ubuntu just stopped suiting me
[06:37] <bazhang> there's always kubuntu :)
[06:37] <elky> you think i'm ranting now? you've never seen me on KDE
[06:37] <bazhang> hehe
[06:38] <elky> the only thing i've ever been able to say about kde as a desktop system is "well, it's pretty"
[06:38] <elky> only nice thing, that is
[06:39] <wgrant> elky: The "wait until beta then we'll reconsider" think is long gone.
[06:39] <wgrant> It's now "force everything through a few hours after UI freeze so nobody can complain"
[06:40] <elky> :(
[06:41] <elky> I get the feeling I'm going to be using debian by mid-year
[06:43]  * tonyyarusso regrets to say that he too has been seriously considering giving Debian a look because of all the stupid UI decisions made in direct opposition to what people actually want
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> I miss the days when Mark actually valued users' opinions :(
[06:50] <elky> yeah
[07:41] <elky> persia, unless you've secretly moved to .au, you're totes messing up the dynamic in -devel right now :P
[07:44] <persia> Nah, just expanding it.
[07:44] <persia> We *will* make the Americas look lazy and the Europeans look sleepy.
[07:45] <elky> Well, no, they make themselves look like that all on their own. You're just highlighting it ;)
[07:45] <elky> Credit where credit is due, and all that.
[07:45] <persia> heh
[07:49] <Gary> I'm not sleepy, I'm just motivationally challenged
[07:50] <persia> Well, being honest, I was only targeting the subset of people in those places who happen to also be core-dev.
[07:54] <Gary> meh, not got the motivation to do that :p
[09:00] <lorenzo_> #ubuntu-it-chat
[10:39] <knome> can we do something about him? really?
[10:40] <bazhang> replace the banforward with a straight ban?
[11:03] <mernilio> Hello fellow ops, im banned from ubuntu-offtopic.  To be honest.. i could kill you all!
[11:19] <elky> !staff
[11:22] <persia> Wow!  Extra thanks to all who handled the first removals and bans for that case.
[11:24] <jussi01> That was a very controlled performace, thanks peoples :)
[11:25] <bazhang> just watching #ubuntu to see if he continues
[11:41] <Mamarok> could somebody actually do something about lorenzo? He is getting annoying with his join failures, I wonder if he is not doing it on purpose
[11:41] <Mamarok> maybe talk to the ops in #ubuntu-it
[15:43] <b2p1mp> oh darn i forgot all about this stupid time script
[15:43] <b2p1mp> ok
[15:43] <b2p1mp> i erased it, was just 3 lines in my remote script page
[15:47] <b2p1mp> i was banned from #ubuntu for the !time trigger 4 hours ago.  I have removed all scripts.  I apologize to all.
[15:47] <bazhang> !time
[15:48] <bazhang> !uptime
[16:32] <bazhang> saintsinner is grow-as-apple
[16:41] <topyli> bazhang, oh
[16:41] <bazhang> topyli, he's in #freenode claiming I am stalking him
[16:42] <topyli> we should forward him here. our request is not working
[16:42] <bazhang> he entered -ru and engaged me there as well
[16:46] <topyli> alokito, what can we do for you?
[16:47] <alokito> topyli, nothing
[16:47] <topyli> okay. please /part the channel then, nobody is allowed to idle here
[16:47] <alokito> ok, few seconds
[16:48] <topyli> how many seconds does it take? strange
[16:48] <alokito> :P
[16:49] <bazhang> b2p1mp, had an issue and was banned by jrib earlier, should we wait for jrib to sort it out ?
[16:49] <topyli> bazhang, would you like to take care of grow-as-apple as he gets here? i have a sauna prepared :)
[16:50] <bazhang> sorry topyli that was addressed to you (above)
[16:50] <topyli> i banforwarded, but did not kicked
[16:50] <bazhang> topyli, no problem
[16:50] <topyli> oh
[16:50] <topyli> okay
[16:50] <bazhang> I can easily remove it, or wait for jrib
[16:50] <b2p1mp> jrib did the ban
[16:50] <b2p1mp> you can wait no rush
[17:15] <bazhang> b2p1mp, would you mind returning in a bit? it should be no problem to remove your ban at that time
[17:15] <SaintSinner> bazhang: topyli
[17:16] <bazhang> SaintSinner, hold on a moment
[17:16] <SaintSinner> yeah, I have a time and I'm at the computer
[17:17] <SaintSinner> Can you say what was wrong, for a start?
[17:18] <SaintSinner> I actually admitted it's not speak-about-everything channel. Many people are heartfelt workers maybe...
[17:19] <bazhang> SaintSinner, no problem.
[17:20] <bazhang> SaintSinner, you were having a conversation in #ubuntu-offtopic that was making several individuals very uncomfortable
[17:21] <SaintSinner> Didn't read Guidelines? Why don't PM me at first? And, am I right about the impression fromthe channel?
[17:21] <SaintSinner> bazhang: That's my true problem.
[17:21] <bazhang> SaintSinner, and you were asked to stop, more than once
[17:22] <SaintSinner> I can not really differentiate between what can I say here and maybe in the U.S.
[17:22] <bazhang> SaintSinner, you then joined #ubuntu-ru and started talking to me from there.
[17:22] <SaintSinner> bazhang: Asked to stop where my nickname was highlated? When Alk*** asked me, I said OK.
[17:23] <bazhang> SaintSinner, you were asked by topyli and myself to join this channel and refused, and then went to #freenode with allegations of stalking.
[17:23] <SaintSinner> bazhang: I know there are many offtopic discussions in that channel. Also, you're know Russian and you know that it's normal.
[17:24] <SaintSinner> bazhang: This all is very strange, why should I believe in your good relation to me?
[17:25] <bazhang> SaintSinner, I am an operator in #ubuntu-ru , and you joined there. Not the other way around.
[17:26] <bazhang> SaintSinner, so instead of going to #freenode first, its better to come here first and work out any issues.
[17:26] <SaintSinner> Everything pertaining to #ubuntu-ru isn't probably important at all. Besides, you could act more neutrally.
[17:27] <SaintSinner> No, it would be better to ask you via personal message, and arrange the discussion about problem this way.
[17:28] <bazhang> SaintSinner, when someone is asked to stop, they should do so.
[17:29] <bazhang> SaintSinner, this has nothing to do with our relationship, and everything to do with the tenor of the conversation in #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:31] <SaintSinner> bazhang: I didn't look in the channel, and if someone asked me to stop, I could miss it. I thought Alk** started to asking me to stop with no reason and even cited him/her my message where I offer to do it. This log may resolve the confusion: http://filebin.ca/urmtb/Log-filecopiedcolouredfortheproblem.htm
[17:33] <SaintSinner> "tenor of the conversation" - so this is what was wrong
[17:33] <bazhang> indeed.
[17:34] <SaintSinner> Sorry for my English. Learning it from one-way news and similar make a bad ... for me
[17:34] <bazhang> SaintSinner, your english is fine.
[17:37] <b2p1mp> can I idle in here...? till then?
[17:37] <SaintSinner> no, bazhang You don't understand: it's English of a skilled in something person, or mentor; And I start to speak with people from U.S. with same approach. I understand. Although, some facts of my life said sincerely could melt first bad thoughts about me. And make things clear.
[17:37] <bazhang> b2p1mp, if you could come back in a bit it would be much appreciated
[17:37] <b2p1mp> ok ty
[17:37] <bazhang> thanks
[17:38] <bazhang> SaintSinner, you need to more clearly understand the tenor of the conversation, specifically where it was making others uncomfortable?
[17:38] <SaintSinner> "wrong beverage" if there's such word
[17:40] <SaintSinner> bazhang: I don't understand this. "Make others uncomfortable..." I only can make this to person I talked to. I made others uncofortable with what I started to say.
[17:41] <bazhang> SaintSinner, it is a channel with many occupants.
[17:41] <bazhang> SaintSinner, is that clear so far?
[17:43] <SaintSinner> You mean I should be careful with what I say, right?
[17:44] <bazhang> SaintSinner, did you understand the above statement: "the channel has many occupants"?
[17:44] <SaintSinner> Tauching something controversial is wrong, I know it.
[17:44] <SaintSinner> Ah, I talked tooo much.
[17:45] <bazhang> no
[17:45] <SaintSinner> Let me re-read it.
[17:45] <bazhang> others were getting uncomfortable on the topic you were discussing; to wit
[17:45] <SaintSinner> at first.
[17:45] <SaintSinner> I understand, "SaintSinner: Tauching something controversial is wrong, I know it."
[17:45] <bazhang> very detailed dating advice, and personal experiences therein
[17:47] <bazhang> SaintSinner, is that clear?
[17:47] <SaintSinner> When I "think in English" I understand this sounded not good. And, right, I understand it.
[17:48] <bazhang> and it was felt to be not good by those in the channel
[17:50] <SaintSinner> yeah, but I don't understand why they could say this more straightforward. It's very unusual for me.
[17:50] <bazhang> SaintSinner, its an issue you have had in that channel for a long time now
[17:50] <SaintSinner> So, I should stop the conversation.
[17:50] <bazhang> just never start it.
[17:51] <SaintSinner> What, so bad?
[17:51] <bazhang> the degree of details you were providing were / and are most unwelcome.
[17:51] <bazhang> indeed, yes.
[17:52] <bazhang> it's an international channel, with members of both genders.
[17:55] <SaintSinner> I can conform to it, all right. Although, I don't like people who can not say "I don't like the theme you're discussing at the moment." Anyway, it's better to be more carefull.
[17:56] <bazhang> well, that's fine. following the guidelines is the issue, and as it is a social channel in nature, respecting the wishes of others.
[17:57] <SaintSinner> This all is very new for me. I actually should make one another my good kind of it. :)
[17:57] <SaintSinner> OK
[17:57] <bazhang> thanks for joining for the discussion, by the way
[18:02] <SaintSinner> yeah, so, I think I need to part this channel right now
[18:03] <bazhang> well at least he agreed to behave in the future
[18:08] <Tm_T> hi all
[18:08] <bazhang> Tm_T, hi
[18:11] <Tm_T> holiday behind now, I hope I'm now refreshed (:
[19:12] <topyli> i'm reading the logs. bazhang, great job
[19:13] <topyli> not connected to whether or not i believe any of what they said, but that's unrelated :)
[20:37] <topyli> we have a nice collection of interesting people in -ot right now, but i'm not a good babysitter tonight. so if anyone has the strenght and time, freel free :)
 seems to be ban evading in #ubuntu
[21:59] <jpds> wut.
[21:59] <guntbert> jpds: see above
[22:00] <jpds> OK; when was he banned?
[22:01] <guntbert> by bazhang - several times in the last days  - (see the ip ban list)
[22:01] <jpds> @btlogin
[22:01] <jpds> ubottu: hi.
[22:03] <guntbert> jpds: used a different nick too - FullPolarFox1981
[22:03] <Tm_T> jpds: thank you
[22:04] <guntbert> have a nice time
[22:05] <Tm_T> guntbert: thank you too (:
[22:05] <jpds> guntbert: That's never going to be True.
[22:05] <guntbert> Tm_T: you're welcome :-)
[22:06] <guntbert> jpds: I can imagine - still my best wishes for you


[05:53] <nixternal> oh, I am so damn mean!
[05:54] <nixternal> I ssh'd into my brothers computer to update it for him, and while it was updating, I whipped up a quick script, stuck it in his $HOME/.kde/Autostart, and rebooted
[05:54] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/files/bsod.png  <- that is what he got when he logged in
[05:55] <nixternal> he called me about 10 minutes ago yelling, "I THOUGHT KOOONUTBOOOTOOO DIDN"T GET VIRUSES!!!!"
 Opening KDE Services gives me 2-3 loops of it crashing with messages about DBus and nepomuk. I can't see anything like nepomuk-dbg or so though. ( 10.04 64bit,  4.4b2 )
[15:57] <jjesse> ok here's an interesting one, runing kde 4.4 beta 2 and when i go to add a printer i get an error message about an orphaned kcm module for system-config-printer
[15:58] <Riddell> kdebindings needs sorted I expect
[15:58] <Riddell> I'll do it next week
[15:58] <jjesse> ok
[15:59] <jjesse> in the meantime no printing?
[16:01] <Riddell> it should autoconfigure for most people
[16:04] <yuriy> Riddell: my membership is about to expire, what to do?
[16:04] <Riddell> yuriy: renew it?
[16:05] <yuriy> ... nevermind .. should have actually read the thing. usually they say contact admin etc
[16:05]  * yuriy is way too on vacation
[16:29] <_Groo_> Riddell: kdebindings 4.3.85 doesnt compile in lucid unfortunatelly, we need to use svn or a patched one
[16:30] <_Groo_> Riddell: i tried to sort the damn thing yesterday, gonna try again this week, if im sucessfull im gonna put it in my ppa
[16:32] <_Groo_> are the neon packages for kde night build working again by any chance?
[16:33] <Riddell> good luck _Groo_
[16:33] <Riddell> _Groo_: I don't think quintasian has done neon yet
[16:34] <_Groo_> Riddell: thanks :D
[16:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: im compiling kdebindings svn on my machine, lets see if it goes now :)
[17:06] <stalcup1> Sorry for being an ass
[17:07] <stalcup1> You all has every right to cick me out
[17:08] <stalcup1> What I did was not acceptable, and I hope you can forgive me
[17:09] <stalcup1> (this is vorian)
[17:10] <stalcup1> I love you guys, and if I were gay I'd be on a plane to Austria
[17:11] <stalcup1> Love lots, bot
[17:11]  * Riddell hugs stalcup1
[17:15] <stalcup1> Russell, I was comming back you know
[17:15] <stalcup1> Riddell, rather
[17:15] <stalcup1> We've had the awefullest time moving, finding a house
[17:15] <stalcup1> It's not easy w 5 kid
[17:16] <stalcup1> So, we are finnly settled and I get kicked ;(
[17:24] <nixternal> Tm_T: thati s a python script, not a screensaver :)
[17:30] <_Groo_> soprano isnt compiling with kdebindings svn and beta 2.. i disabled it for now, lets see if the package compiles cleanly now
[17:31] <Tm_T> nixternal: won't stop using it as one though, if really wants, I guess
[18:18] <amichair> what's the story with the guy being bashed in public in the mailing list? what did he do? as a bystander and newbie in this community, it's pretty off-putting... not sure that's the word for it. maybe disturbing. although there are no facts anywhere - but then why take it public like this?
[18:19] <ScottK> amichair: I don't have all the facts.  This is very unusual.
[18:19] <ScottK> So I would encourage you not to be too offput by it as this sort of thing is very much the exception.
[18:19] <amichair> hope I don't accidentally do anything wrong here :-)
[18:20] <ScottK> I wouldn't worry about it too much.
[18:20] <amichair> ScottK: I'm not really worried :-)
[18:20] <ScottK> OK. Good.
[18:20] <amichair> it's just... strange.
[18:20] <ScottK> Agreed.
[18:27] <EagleScreen> I obtain this warning at pushing in bazaar: http://pastebin.com/d5055968d what happens? is it safe continue?
[18:28] <Riddell> amichair: he wasn't bashed in public, he was written a private e-mail from someone saying he was upset with him and he chose to forward it to the mailing list
[18:30] <amichair> oh.
[18:30] <nixternal> hola hola hola
[18:30] <nixternal> da plain da plain da plain!
[18:31] <Riddell> si
[18:31] <nixternal> amichair: I agree with you 110%, and it is somewhat bashing a friend of mine :(
[18:32] <nixternal> actually, there really isn't any bashing, I take that back
[18:32] <nixternal> just some overheated people :)
[18:32] <nixternal> and rightfully so, but it shouldn't have ever gone public in the first place
[18:36] <jjesse> are you all talking about the silly stuff that vorian posted?
[18:37] <Riddell> yes
[18:39] <amichair> there's a proverb in these parts, badly translated as "if you put someone to shame in public, it's as if you spilled his blood". It's pretty effective when you're a kid ;-)
[18:40] <nixternal> and it is still the same when you aren't a kid
[18:40] <nixternal> oh, who am I fooling, I am still a kid :p
[18:41] <amichair> does that work in other languages as well?
[18:41] <nixternal> yes
[18:41] <amichair> cool :-)
[18:41] <nixternal> I have always been a believer of it, you never shame anyone in public...if you have a problem with that person, make it private
[18:47] <amichair> then there's one for the advanced proverb ninja, similarly badly translated as "righteous is he who is insulted and does not insult back, hears his shame spoken, and does not respond". the original sounds less preachy, more elegant...
[18:48] <ScottK> It's understandable.
[18:48] <amichair> wise words, but sometimes hard to do...
[18:50] <Riddell> nobody insulted him, he insulted other people and various people got upset and told him so
[18:50] <amichair> in that case, it goes both ways!
[18:51] <amichair> anyway, I've had enough proverbs, buddhism and neuroscience for one day :-)
[18:51]  * amichair goes back into lurk mode
[18:54] <nixternal> hahah
[19:06] <amichair> oh what the heck, I found a proper translation (this time read it with Yoda's voice!):
[19:06] <amichair> “Those who are humiliated yet do not humiliate in turn, who hear their insult and do not retort, who perform out of love and are happy in affliction."
[19:06] <jjesse> wow that's deep
[19:06] <amichair> (note that's three steps in order of difficulty. Hard it is happy in affliction to be!)
[19:30] <genii> Best from Konsole to use kdesudo when starting something like gparted, or use gksu/gksudo instead?
[19:31] <genii> (or does it matter? )
[19:32] <pinheiro> Riddell: so you gusy dont like quadros :D
[19:32] <pinheiro> guys
[19:33] <pinheiro> its works better than it looks
[19:33] <pinheiro> and its extremly bradable
[19:33] <pinheiro> brandable
[19:33] <pinheiro> and im aware its a risk
[19:33] <pinheiro> but....
[19:35] <pinheiro> its the most artsy wallpaer we haver had, and think its time to try to push the estectical bowndries od our user base
[19:35] <pinheiro> od= of
[19:38] <ScottK> away
[19:38] <ScottK> oops
[19:38] <ScottK> pinheiro: Our problem is we have approximately zero artists to brand it.  Can we get help with that?
[19:39] <pinheiro> ScottK: obviusly
[19:39] <pinheiro> that what im here for most of the time
[19:40] <Tm_T> genii: shouldn't matter
[19:40] <genii> Tm_T: Thanks
[19:40]  * ScottK stares really hard at shtylman and hopes he volunteers to work with pinheiro on this since he did such a great job on the installer stuff.
[19:40] <pinheiro> oo yeah
[19:40] <pinheiro> he did
[19:41] <ScottK> The reward for good work being, of course, more work.
[19:41] <pinheiro> the revamp of that should be super easy as soon as i do the new efect for air plasma theme
[19:41] <pinheiro> ScottK:  :D
[19:41] <pinheiro> i get way to may rewords
[19:42] <pinheiro> many
[19:43] <pinheiro> ScottK:  been reding some reviews and a comon complaint about kubuntu is the lack of cutomization
[19:43] <pinheiro> thre area a couple of things that area realy easy to chage to give a more branding atitude to kubuntu
[19:43] <ScottK> pinheiro: That's true.  OTOH, part of why I like Kubuntu is that I'm running pretty much KDE.
[19:43] <ScottK> So it's a balance.
[19:43] <pinheiro> i agrea
[19:43] <ScottK> Agreed we should probably do a bit more.
[19:44] <pinheiro> would just be enough to shut thos guys up
[19:44] <ScottK> Yeah.
[19:44] <pinheiro> that waht i like any way
[19:44] <pinheiro> I hate mandriva themeing and craping everything
[19:44] <ScottK> Personally I've got negative time for this, but hope someone (shtylman <--) volunteers to work on it.
[19:45] <pinheiro> dead line?
[19:45]  * pinheiro will have more free time in a couple of days finaly :D
[19:45] <ScottK> Feb sometime.
[19:45] <pinheiro> cool
[19:46] <pinheiro> 4.4?
[19:47] <ScottK> Uploaded before Feb 18.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[19:47] <ScottK> Yes, 4.4.whatever is ready
[19:47] <pinheiro> that will be extremly fresh 4.4
[19:47] <pinheiro> cool
[19:48] <ScottK> We will continue to update with the point releases as they come out up to release time.
[19:48] <pinheiro> any way  im sure we can make somthing "kubuntu" style
[19:49] <pinheiro> wuth a very strong kde feeling to it
[19:49] <pinheiro> with
[19:49] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ Thoughts?
[20:49] <Riddell> pinheiro: the issue with Quadros is that it's way too distracting
[20:49] <Riddell> the folder plasmoid becomes hard to use
[20:54] <Riddell> the pattern is full of borders which distracts from the borders of everything else
[21:17] <shtylman> pinheiro ScottK: yea... I can deff work with people on it for the Kubuntu branding side of things. Im sure Riddell will have input on the matter as well :)
[21:19] <shtylman> for the most part I am quite happy with upstream kde ... but I have started applying my own little tweaks to things
[21:19] <shtylman> for my own tastes
[22:16] <pinheiro> Riddell: naaaaa :)
[22:17] <pinheiro> and the borders of the folfer plasmoid dont actualy provide any usefull content
[22:17] <pinheiro> i meen you dont interabt with them
[22:17] <pinheiro> interact
[22:18] <shtylman> pinheiro: what if the plasma containers (like for folder view) were a little less transparent?
[22:18] <pinheiro> its not like you can scale the actual borders
[22:18] <pinheiro> people seam to like it trasparent
[22:18] <shtylman> I don't want to say blurred (cause we know how notmart feels about that :)
[22:18] <pinheiro> and realy what do you lose ?
[22:18] <shtylman> if its blurred or if its less transparent?
[22:19] <pinheiro> its a contaiment for icons
[22:19] <shtylman> yea
[22:19] <pinheiro> the thing you inteact with is the icons
[22:19] <pinheiro> interact
[22:19] <pinheiro> not the contenment
[22:19] <shtylman> and I think the biggest problem people have with it (from what I have heard) is that the containment doesn't do enough to isolate the icons
[22:20] <shtylman> I personally like the square wallpaper and don't think it classes too much with things... but that could be a taste thing
[22:20] <shtylman> I like "modern" styles
[22:20] <shtylman> which tend to be boxy
[22:20] <shtylman> and have straight lines
[22:20] <shtylman> other might not like that
[22:21] <shtylman> maybe just have the wallaper not as pervasive through the containment?
[22:22] <pinheiro> the wallpaper is espected to be contrevensic
[22:22] <pinheiro> its not what people espect
[22:22] <shtylman> :)
[22:22] <pinheiro> I did this on propose
[22:23] <pinheiro> i culd do a couple of blue swirls
[22:23] <pinheiro> its waht espected of us
[22:23] <shtylman> heh
[22:23] <pinheiro> this is difrent in blue
[22:23] <pinheiro> :)
[22:23] <shtylman> don't get me wrong... im probly your biggest supporter for this wallpaper :)
[22:23] <ScottK> Unfortunately for Kubuntu, this release is a long term support release (3 years), so not the best time for excitement.
[22:23] <pinheiro> had i gone crazy and i would not use blue :D
[22:23] <shtylman> I just want to meet a middle ground for users that are complaining about how crowded it is
[22:24] <pinheiro> shtylman: sure
[22:24] <pinheiro> i did its under the kde POV
[22:24] <pinheiro> 3 years is way to much for that one
[22:25] <pinheiro> the kde POV is 1 yaer witha restyle in 6 months
[22:25] <pinheiro> year
[22:25] <shtylman> what about fading the wallpaper back a bit?
[22:25] <shtylman> maybe so it is less harsh on the eyes? cause it is alot of blue :)
[22:25] <pinheiro> becomes boring
[22:25] <shtylman> hmm
[22:26] <Riddell> I think it's the borders to the boxes that would be faded
[22:26] <pinheiro> but desturating the colors sure
[22:26] <shtylman> yea..maybe desaturate
[22:26] <pinheiro> might be a good idea
[22:26] <shtylman> causes with a large monitor (I have 2 of them) ... it looks a bit overwhelming
[22:26] <pinheiro> wow
[22:26] <shtylman> like... it jumps at you a bit much
[22:27] <pinheiro> size?
[22:27] <shtylman> 1680x1400 on both of them
[22:27] <shtylman> I think they are 21" or 20.1"
[22:27] <shtylman> something like that
[22:28] <pinheiro> 1600x1400 you meen
[22:28] <shtylman> op... 1680x1050
[22:28] <shtylman> my bad
[22:28] <shtylman> forgot my own resolution
[22:28] <pinheiro> haaaa
[22:28] <pinheiro> then you are using the 1920x1200 right?
[22:28] <shtylman> yea
[22:29] <pinheiro> the squares should be a bit to small then :(
[22:29] <pinheiro> it becomes clutered
[22:29] <pinheiro> this wallpeper is realy special
[22:29] <pinheiro> the squares must have a certain size
[22:29] <shtylman> yea... I think I would like it more if it didn't jump out at me
[22:29] <shtylman> as much
[22:29] <pinheiro> or it becomes clutered
[22:30] <pinheiro> yeah but in your case its should be realy all over the place
[22:30] <shtylman> cause I like to think of the wallpaper as more docile... then again... before this wallpaper I used solid black
[22:30] <pinheiro> like squares invasion
[22:30] <shtylman> so maybe I am not be best judge in how docile a wallpaper should be :)
[22:31] <pinheiro> shtylman:  i know exactly what you meen
[22:32] <Quintasan> hmm, guys, anyone is using byobu from PPA?
[22:32] <ScottK> nixternal is the byobu fan.
[22:33] <shtylman> pinheiro: http://apt.shtylman.com/stuff/1920x1200.jpg
[22:33] <Quintasan> well I wanted to have few ssh sessions but I somewhat can't type the password in, I wonder what's wrong
[22:33] <shtylman> I just played with the curves a bit there
[22:33] <shtylman> but thats sorta along the idea maybe?
[22:33] <shtylman> a bit more "washed out"
[22:33] <Quintasan> uhh, this wallpaper @_@
[22:34] <shtylman> its not as bright as the one you made... but maybe it works better for various screen brightnesses and contrasts?
[22:34] <shtylman> it could also be room lighting... etc... lots of stuff could come into play here
[22:35] <pinheiro> shtylman: i can send you the source
[22:35] <pinheiro> and you can play with it
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> I found Quadros to be less overwhelming on my LCD screen than on my CRT monitor for some reason. Maybe it's becaused things look slightly washed out on the LCD
[22:35] <pinheiro> its just 3 gradients
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> well, the LCD isn't horrible contrast-wise, but the ol' beast monitors are better in general, unless you have a really good LCD
[22:36] <shtylman> pinheiro: indeed... it might even be possible to post process the images by modifying the curves/colors after the fact
[22:36] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: did you find it too light on any of the monitors?
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> I think it might be slightly too light on my laptop
[22:36] <shtylman> cause I find it too light on my laptop
[22:36] <shtylman> but then again...could be a taste thing
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> maybe
[22:37] <pinheiro> defnetly taste and acustumed
[22:37] <pinheiro> its difrent
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> anyway, going off to eat dinner, just thought I'd pop in my opinion and run ;D
[22:37] <shtylman> that it is
[22:37] <shtylman> :)
[22:37] <shtylman> I am gonna leave it on my desktop for a bit.. (my modified color one) and see how that goes
[22:39] <pinheiro> shtylman: probaly you need to desaturate it
[22:40] <pinheiro> but the original not post guimp work
[22:40] <pinheiro> gimp
[22:40] <shtylman> k
[22:41] <shtylman> I also tried burring it ... that was a no no
[22:41] <pinheiro> nononon
[22:41] <pinheiro> :)
[22:41] <pinheiro> you can do that as a mask
[22:41] <shtylman> yea
[22:41] <pinheiro> 30% alpha
[22:41] <pinheiro> makes ita  bit dreamy
[22:42] <shtylman> hehe
[22:42] <pinheiro> but you play it globaly it just becomes messy
[22:42] <pinheiro> aply
[22:42] <shtylman> yea
[22:42] <shtylman> it becomes too much globally
[22:42] <pinheiro> as i said its interesting
[22:47] <shtylman> Riddell: how many wallpaper choices do we ship by default?
[22:47] <shtylman> do we ship only the main one or a few others from previous cycles?
[22:47] <maco> not many?
[22:47] <Riddell> shtylman: 1
[22:47] <shtylman> hehe
[22:47] <Riddell> no space for any more
[22:47] <maco> ooh i was gonna guess right
[22:47] <shtylman> ahh
[22:48] <shtylman> our poor cd
[22:48] <shtylman> out of space
[22:48] <Riddell> I think kdebase should do the same, any other wallpapers should be in kdeartwork
[22:49] <Riddell> pinheiro: have you had feedback from KDE folks on this wallpaper?  because the comments I've seen are much the same as from Kubuntu folks, that it's too harsh on the eyes
[22:49] <pinheiro> no none at all
[22:50] <pinheiro> and i noteced your by loking up on google for thwallpaers in websvn
[22:50] <pinheiro> that laed me to a log of a irc talk here
[22:51] <pinheiro> any way i have alot of rust in it heven if its very difrent for the usual thing
[22:51] <pinheiro> trust
[22:51] <pinheiro> but for distros i will probably dessturate it
[22:51] <pinheiro> dessaturate
[22:51] <shtylman> :)
[22:52] <pinheiro> more than anything else the wallpaer is about marketing
[22:52] <pinheiro> and it has huge marketing value this one
[22:53] <pinheiro> very easy to recognise across a room
[22:53] <shtylman> yea...but the problem is ... you don't want to kill the person in front of the monitor so that someone on the other side of the room can regocnize the wallpaper :)
[22:53] <pinheiro> dont i?
[22:53] <shtylman> hahaha
[22:55] <pinheiro> its a risk we are taking
[22:55] <shtylman> right
[22:55] <shtylman> ill reserve final judgement for the dessaturated one :)
[22:56] <pinheiro> i will reavaliate it in 4.5
[22:56] <pinheiro> hopefuly it will go the distance
[22:56] <pinheiro> but i will cry no tear if it dosent
[22:56] <shtylman> heh
[22:57] <pinheiro> i ealy want to try to push our typical bondries
[22:57] <pinheiro> so we can get difernt users
[22:57] <ScottK> The trick being to get the new ones, but not lose the old ones.
[22:58] <pinheiro> wont lose couse of an wallpaper
[22:58] <shtylman> yea...I don't think we will loose people cause of a wallpaper
[22:58] <shtylman> it may just upset some people..but those will change it
[22:58] <shtylman> but you do want to make the users happy :)
[22:58] <pinheiro> the ones we have thar realy hate it can change it
[22:59] <Riddell> shtylman: users can't easily change the about konqueror page
[22:59] <pinheiro> haaa do what ever and you will leave users un hapy
[22:59] <pinheiro> its a fact wen you have millions of users
[22:59] <pinheiro> nothing makes every one happy
[22:59] <shtylman> Riddell: what does that look like?
[23:00] <shtylman> does that use the default wallpaper?
[23:00] <pinheiro> Riddell: that as been chaged i think
[23:00] <pinheiro> chaged
[23:00] <pinheiro> and was kinda davide bettio doing his thing
[23:01] <pinheiro> i haked him to replace it with just a gradient
[23:01] <Riddell> shtylman: http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/konq.png
[23:01] <Riddell> pinheiro: oh, ok
[23:02] <pinheiro> its not completly orrible
[23:02] <pinheiro> horrobel
[23:02] <pinheiro> horribel
[23:02] <pinheiro> or how that is speled
[23:03] <shtylman> heh
[23:03] <Riddell> it's far too distracting, the background should be in the background but there it grabs your attention and doesn't let you go
[23:03]  * claydoh_ *loves* that wallpaper btw, and using a transparent plasma theme makes it even cooler :)
[23:04] <shtylman> haha
[23:04] <shtylman> I like that plasma container in the konqueror screenshot
[23:04] <shtylman> I think I like that over the current folder containment
[23:04] <shtylman> cause its a bit darker
[23:04] <pinheiro> shtylman:  actualy that one is prety porly made
[23:05] <pinheiro> me wanted mofux to do it but ...
[23:05] <shtylman> it might be poorly made... but I think it makes the containment stand out a bit better
[23:05] <shtylman> which may or may not be the goal
[23:05] <pinheiro> mofux had way better concepts for it ..... more like your kubunto instaler
[23:06] <pinheiro>  kubuntu instaler
[23:07] <shtylman> ahh
[23:07] <shtylman> I will have to ask him about that
[23:07] <pinheiro> yeah maybe you gusy could do it ;)
[23:07] <pinheiro> guys
[23:07] <pinheiro> not all that happy with the current form
[23:08] <shtylman> of the containment?
[23:08] <pinheiro> of the intire page
[23:10] <pinheiro> but the continement as one huge flaw .... shadow under it
[23:10] <pinheiro> making its bg look more dark and not more white
[23:10] <shtylman> I see
[23:10] <pinheiro> wich doesnt make sence
[23:10] <shtylman> should the containments make it look more white?
[23:11] <pinheiro> yeap
[23:11] <shtylman> how come?
[23:11] <pinheiro> its faded glass
[23:11] <shtylman> ahh
[23:11] <pinheiro> to project a shadow under it it would need to be opaque
[23:12] <pinheiro> on the sides it does projct a shadow couse the sides reflect all light
[23:12] <pinheiro> but not in the midle
[23:12] <shtylman> I see
[23:12] <shtylman> makes sense
[23:12] <pinheiro> he should have cliped the shadow
[23:13] <pinheiro> there are also a couple f other errors there
[23:13] <pinheiro> on the sie you can see a 1 pixel error
[23:13] <pinheiro> in teh sahdow part
[23:14] <pinheiro> the
[23:14] <pinheiro> the actula shadow is cliped
[23:15] <shtylman> do you know if the kdm theme is staying the same for 4.4? I imagine it would...
[23:31] <pinheiro> shtylman: i wish some one woud take care of that
[23:31] <shtylman> what do you hope someone does to it?
[23:31] <pinheiro> kdm
[23:33] <shtylman> yea... what specifically?
[23:33] <shtylman> do you have something in mind?
[23:33] <shtylman> or just an overhaul?
[23:37] <crimsun> there are not enough hours in one day :(
[23:38] <crimsun> -ETIME


[07:07] <dpm> good morning all
[07:11] <braiam> good night dpm ;)
[07:23] <dpm> :)
[09:21] <RawChid> Good morning :)
[09:23] <serfus> top of the morning
[09:26] <andrejz> morning
[09:30] <dpm> hey RawChid, serfus and andrejz :)
[09:55] <RawChid> bzr push lp:~/<your_lp_id>/ubuntu-l10n-tools/<the name you like for your branch>
[09:56] <RawChid> What is usual? trunk ?
[09:56] <RawChid> dpm^
[09:59] <dpm> RawChid, usually the upstream project uses 'trunk', so if you are working on a branch of your own (perhaps implementing a feature or fixing a bug), you won't be able to use the same name. Some examples of names: 'bug-12345' if you are fixing a bug, 'my-new-awesome-feature' if you're implementing a feature, 'i18n-fixes' if you are adding some fixes to the internationalization infrastructure... you get the picture. Just name the branch in a way that
[09:59] <dpm>  it describes what the branch does
[10:00] <RawChid> Oh okay, now I understand :-)
[10:02] <dpm> cool :)
[10:16] <RawChid> Hmm, something else. Yesterday I asked about an untranslated string in users-admin
[10:17] <RawChid> This: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612650/
[12:25] <yurchor> Hi! How can I see the progress for the question about team inclusion to Launchpad Translators? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/155900
[13:15] <dpm> hi yurchor, the progress itself cannot be tracked (people is not continuously working on that question, but they tend to other questions too). As you're subscribed, you'll receive notifications of changes. That said, I can approve the team straight away. Before I do that, could you look into the following points?:
[13:16] <dpm> * The team description is a bit too brief. Could you add some info on: a welcome note and the purpose of the team, how to contact the team, how to join the team
[13:17] <dpm> * (This is optional and up to you): you might want to add the ubuntu-l10n-uk team as a subteam of lp-l10n-uk
[13:18] <dpm> This way translations from the Ubuntu Ukranian translators will make it to the upstream projects in Launchpad thanks to upstream sharing.
[13:18] <yurchor> 1. No, I cannot, I am not a team owner. 2. If it's recommended why those LP teams organized?
[13:19] <yurchor> I mean, is not it simple to address your translation to Ubuntu teams?
[13:20] <yurchor> That's the way that Fedora did with its teams on Tx.net.
[13:20] <dpm> yurchor, ok, so on 1., can you get the team owner to do this, or ask him to make you an admin to be able to change it? On 2.,
[13:21] <yurchor> 1. No. There was no response to my mail for more than 5 months (I asked the team owner to join lp-translators).
[13:22] <yurchor> https://lists.launchpad.net/lp-l10n-uk/msg00000.html
[13:22] <dpm> we make the separation because some people want to translate upstream projects but not Ubuntu, and they don't want to join the Ubuntu translation team. This way they only need to join the lp-l10n-* team. And just because Fedora does it in another way, it doesn't mean it's the best way ;)
[13:23] <dpm> yurchor, then in that case, I would suggest that you get the ownership first. We certainly don't want to add a team in which the owner is not responsive
[13:23] <yurchor> Heh, now it's a worst way (nobody can translate to Ukrainian anything).
[13:24] <yurchor> Ok, can I ask to include Ubuntu Ukrainian translators, if no LP-translators for Ukrainian?
[13:24] <dpm> yurchor, just because it does not work for your team doesn't mean it doesn't work for everyone else. The fact that you cannot translate upstream projects in Ukrainian is not because of the team separation, but because no one has asked for the team to be included before (and also because the team seems to be inactive)
[13:25] <dpm> yurchor, we don't want to have exceptions. Why is it a problem to request the ownership of lp-l10n-uk and then ask for inclusion?
[13:26] <yurchor> Because nobody respond to it anyway (I have already waited for 3 weeks).
[13:27] <yurchor> And it's non-sense: I will create the team with only member (ubunut-translators).
[13:27] <andrejz2> hello dpm, do you have any more comments about natty templates priority?
[13:28] <dpm> yurchor, I'm more interested in finding a solution than hearing complaints. If no one has responded, you can just ask again to poke. It's the same for every open source project when people get busy. So anyway, let's try to get this sorted. Could you please file a support request to get the ownership of the lp-l10n-uk team and I'll make sure it gets looked at? Then we'll approve the team
[13:30] <yurchor> dpm: what's the addres for such requests?
[13:31] <andrejz2> sorry, apparently i am also logged in at another computer, needed to change nick
[13:32] <dpm> yurchor, it's the same: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion - so if you could file a question there asking for the ownership of the team to be assigned to you, that you tried to contact the previous owner and he's unresponsive, and that you've discussed it with me, we'll assign it to a Launchpad admin who'll be able to make the changes. Then we can take it from there.
[13:34] <dpm> andrejz2, I haven't had the chance to do another review, but I don't want to be a blocker on this. So do you think you could file the request as I suggested on my e-mail reply yesterday?
[13:34] <andrejz2> sure i can do it
[13:36] <dpm> andrejz2, ah, even better, it seems the document can be saved as a CSV file, which the Launchpad team will find easy to work with. So could you either attach the CSV file (if it can't be done in Answers, I'm not sure) or point at the document and mention it can be saved as CSV?
[13:37] <dpm> and feel free to subscribe me to the question as well
[13:37] <dpm> anyway, time for lunch, I'll be back later...
[13:37] <andrejz2> ok
[13:37] <dpm> cool, thanks
[13:40] <RawChid> dpm, any news on this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/612650/
[13:40] <RawChid> Oh, bon appetit ;)
[13:41] <yurchor> dpm: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/158960
[14:29] <dpm> yurchor, thanks for the support request, but I believe this comment was not necessary: "Regretfully, Launchpad Translations Coordinators must be fantastically overloaded and there was no progress for 3 weeks." You'll find that people will be generally more willing to help without derogatory comments :(
[14:30] <dpm> we're an open source project, and if something is not working, it's better to ask how one can help, rather than complaining about other people
[14:31] <dpm> that's why we've got the code of conduct, to avoid such situations and to work more effectively together
[14:32] <yurchor> Ø ëòùö åðôå åðø³ ø³ ùçóò ³ùãêñóþ Èãå øåº³ åðó àøê³å åøüó øò 7 íóôê³ öøåð ³ãñð ô äùòï öôøåþ
[14:32] <yurchor> Oop, sorry.
[14:33] <yurchor> I know that this is open source. But it is the first time in 7 years, when I waiting for such a long time.
[14:35] <dpm> yurchor, well, then you've been very lucky. I find this all the time, and if there is no response in something I've got a special interest in, I just insist and poke the people working on it
[14:37] <yurchor> I try to choose the projects with the responsible teams. This was the first time I have been forced to do something. I really do not like this.
[14:38] <andrejz2> @yuchor: I think nobody does
[14:43] <dpm> hey RawChid, I asked that on #ubuntu-desktop when you mentioned it the other day, but I got no response. I'm not sure if conf.in files are a new format or just plain text configuration files. I'd suggest filing a bug so that we can keep track of it on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+filebug
[14:46] <RawChid> Ack
[15:06] <andrejz2> @dpm: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/158963 is this ok ?
[16:56] <kamusin> morning folks
[17:02] <kamusin> I am wondering if this issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/685119 is connected in some way to ubuntu translations project, at least banshee developers guess that
[17:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 685119 in banshee (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Banshee Sync iPod/MP3 page, Displays selected Playlist from dropdown incorrectly. (affects: 3) (heat: 34)" [Low,Incomplete]
[17:57] <dpm> hola kamusin, looking at the last upstream bug comments, it seems to me that it's not translations related (although I cannot say I'm 100% sure)
[17:59] <kamusin> dpm,  I see.. anyway, I have noticed that there is still a discussion in upstream tracker about that


[08:20] <rverrips> Evening all - Happy New year ...
[08:21] <rverrips> Need a quick bit of help - Looking for a howto but can't find one in forums ... Would like to upgrade a debian testing to ubuntu-server - I have the ubuntu-server 6.10 CD and would prefer to use that first ... Do I just need to update the source.list and point to edgy on the CD?
[10:36] <lane> Does anyone know of a webcam that works with ubuntu server without the gui?


[08:46] <MehdiHassanpour> hey guys... I don't receive my ubuntu.com emails, anyone knows who is responsible?
[08:46] <MehdiHassanpour> or can help
[08:46] <MehdiHassanpour> I've sent an email to rt to but no replies yet
[08:49] <MehdiHassanpour> I'm waiting for some important emails and your help is highly appreciated


[01:30] <meonkeys> just tried multi-video hangout. not bad.
[01:30] <meonkeys> sure would be nice if it included desktop sharing.
[01:32] <tenach> G+?
[01:37] <meonkeys> yes
[01:38] <meonkeys> valorie: ooh, http://www.google.com/ads/preferences/view is cool, thanks
[01:54] <valorie> yeah, since I found those links I've been digging around in Google backend stuffs
[01:54] <valorie> rather interesting
[01:54] <valorie> meonkeys: I've heard the same suggestion from others
[01:54] <valorie> I hope someone is giving the G+ people the feedback
[01:56] <valorie> I've been trying to weed my contact list down in Gmail too, so my phone won't load that enormous list


[00:15] <xibalba> als i'm wondering how do i get ubuntu to stop issuing ICMP redirects? <IP_ADDRESS> → <IP_ADDRESS> ICMP 126 Redirect . I've disabled it in sysctl.conf and reloaded. net.ipv4.conf.all.send_redirects = 0
[00:22] <xibalba> i ran the following, https://8n1.org/14114/5bd1
[01:16] <koffel> hey all i have a dell r610 poweredge is ubuntu server supported
[01:45] <mybalzitch> is it a 64bit cpu with an intel/amd chip? chances are pretty good it will at least boot
[01:49] <Intelo_> How much a laptop be constantly used in 24 hours for cpu usage above 70% and 90% ram. A laptop like m6700?
[01:51] <mybalzitch> the cpu will throttle if the cpu temps get higher than spec
[01:55] <Intelo_> mybalzitch,  how can I check temps?
[01:55] <Intelo_> using kubuntu
[01:58] <Intelo_> mybalzitch,  nevermind. will manage
[01:58] <Intelo_> mybalzitch,  if the temperature is undercontrol, I can use it 24/7?
[02:04] <mybalzitch> why wouldn't you be able to
[02:08] <koffel> i getting errors left and right then stops in middle of install
[02:10] <Intelo_> mybalzitch, https://imgur.com/a/sS094YU
[12:42] <ahasenack> hello
[17:02] <senaps> hi all, i have installed danted and ocserv in ubuntu server 16.4, but i don't have any access to filtered websites i tried to bypass using danted or ocserv. but, i can connect to ocserv and then use my danted service!
[17:23] <senaps> anybody able to help me with configuring danted? i can pass websites not blocked by our government, but twitter and other websites are not passed with this proxy.
[17:24] <senaps> what can be wrong? why is it passing part of the traffic only, and with another isp, i don't have that problem...
[18:32] <senaps> hi all, i have ocserv installed and configured, i am able to connect just fine using `openconnect` but no traffic is through
[20:01] <Intelo> Sending mail via echo "My message" | mail -s subject<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  works fine but when I send via a thirdpart nodemailer (nodejs lib), it says lost connection after RCPT. 451 4.3.0<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Temporary lookup failure;
[20:10] <bjonnh> how hard would it be to install a ubuntu over an existing fedora with only a ssh access to the machine?
[20:10] <bjonnh> (it is using uefi)
[20:11] <Intelo> virtualbox?
[20:14] <mybalzitch> there used to be software for that
[20:14] <mybalzitch> damned if I can remember the name of it
[20:16] <bjonnh> Intelo: no baremetal machine
[20:16] <Intelo> virtualbox?
[20:16] <Intelo> bjonnh,  ok. don't know
[20:17] <bjonnh> I wish I had a kvm
[20:18] <mybalzitch> bjonnh: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/apds04.html look at that! a framework
[20:20] <bjonnh> really nice
[20:20] <bjonnh> I just stumbled on something similar too
[21:14] <compdoc> thats cool
[21:18] <bjonnh> ok I'll try that right now
[21:18] <bjonnh> will keep you posted ;)
[21:18] <bjonnh> getting from fedora 26 to ubuntu
[21:34] <ChmEarl> bjonnh, fedora has debootstrap... install ubuntu into a chroot
[21:35] <ChmEarl> bjonnh, stay in fedora and control the install before rebooting into ubuntu
[21:35] <bjonnh> debootstrap from fedora refused to install
[21:36] <bjonnh> E: Error executing gpgv to check Release signature
[21:36] <mybalzitch> surely you can google that error and work around it
[21:36] <mybalzitch> perhaps you need to install gpgv
[21:37] <bjonnh> I'm following the ubuntu guide
[21:37] <bjonnh> at least I will have an up to date debootstrap too
[21:38] <bjonnh> same error
[21:39] <bjonnh> oh nm
[21:40] <bjonnh> works now
[21:42] <bjonnh> mybalzitch: I didn't had gnupg at all (I thought I did though)
[21:45] <bjonnh> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/ubuntu mount -t proc proc /proc
[21:46] <bjonnh> says that mount doesn't exist
[21:46] <bjonnh> trying with bionic instead of cosmic
[21:47] <bjonnh> I also disabled selinux
[21:47] <bjonnh> that could help
[21:48] <bjonnh> nope same thing…
[21:50] <bjonnh> looks like it should use an absolute path
[22:00] <bjonnh> so it really didn't like the debootstrap from ubuntu
[22:02] <teward> bjonnh: that sounds like something specific to the Fedora debootstrap
[22:02] <teward> bjonnh: are you just trying to get an Ubuntu system available on Fedora, or are you trying to replace Fedora with Ubuntu?
[22:02] <bjonnh> yeah so I just took the cosmic recipe from it
[22:02] <bjonnh> teward: I am replacing fedora
[22:07] <bjonnh> "apt install makedev"
[22:07] <bjonnh> no package makedev…
[22:08] <bjonnh> I'll just bind mount
[22:26] <tomreyn> hi, what's the recommended application server for RoR production deployments these days? Unicorn, Puma or Passenger? and for the webserver, i assume nginx + wsgi is fine?
[22:28] <tomreyn> oh wait (u)wsgi is python, so scratch this part of my question, please
[22:31] <bjonnh> rebooting
[22:31] <bjonnh> will see what happens…
[22:33] <bjonnh> failed…
[22:34] <bjonnh> it refuse to reboot…
[22:34] <mybalzitch> good thing you have a ipkvm to troubleshoot remotely?
[22:34] <mybalzitch> ;p
[22:36] <bjonnh> nope
[22:36] <bjonnh> if I had a kvm that would probably have been easier ;)
[22:36] <bjonnh> I think the install is clean, it is just fedora that refused to reboot
[22:37] <bjonnh> will see tomorrow
[22:37] <bjonnh> when I can get to the machine
[22:42] <bjonnh> also that's a mac pro so EFI is touchy