[12:17] <EricCartman> what was the repo which had mplayer etc ?
[12:18] <root__> Hi folks. I can't run kubuntu with the default nv driver. What do I need to do to install NVIDIA driveris via apt-get
[12:22] <`Nomad> hey!!  And another Breezy fan, I am.. :)
[12:22] <`Nomad> Was The Gimp replaced by this Krita?
[12:22] <chavo> Root_ the default driver is installed by default
[12:22] <chavo> change it to "nv" instead of nvidia
[12:22] <chavo> oh, he's gone again
[12:30] <satafterh> is there something similar to bearshare for linux
[12:30] <`Nomad> sata: gnutella
[12:31] <`Nomad> is Konversation as good as xchat?
[12:32] <satafterh> gtk-gnutella i find slow, using Konversation now and find it to work great
[12:33] <`Nomad> kewl..  I want to keep thi sinstallation lean this time, and if all kapps work fine, I<ll stay with them
[12:37] <`Nomad> is it just me or does Konqueror seem to be pretty good!
[12:38] <chavo> konq is the best browser out there
[12:46] <mekgp> re-installed Breezzzzzyyy....this is the first install of many where the WinDoze partition is locked...how do you unlock it?  followed the directs for mounting the partition at boot...cant access it?!?!
[12:47] <chavo> you're spelling it wrong try -> Windows
[12:47] <mekgp> lol...
[12:48] <chavo> mekgp, same thing happened to me, I can't write to my fat32 anymore
[12:48] <mekgp> it tells me when I tried to mount it after adding it to fstab that mtab??? had control! :D
[12:49] <mekgp> my hda1 is a NTFS...this is the first of about 10 installs of various versions of ubuntu that its done it
[12:50] <mekgp> what do you think is doing it chavo??  i wonder if an update from yesterdays install on a machine has changed something??
[12:50] <chavo> well I don't mount my ntfs drives at boot, but I have one huge fat32 partition
[12:50] <chavo> no idea, I haven't been able to figure out what's up with mine either
[12:51] <mekgp> hhhmmmm.....the classic quandry of OpenSource! LOL
[12:51] <twist3d> sweet
[12:51] <chavo> well I can still copy to it with sudo, so it's not totally broken yet ;)
[12:52] <twist3d> can't beleive this worked
[12:52] <mekgp> wonder what would happen if the /hda1 line was deleted from mtab???  ...cringe to think!
[12:52] <twist3d> :D
[12:52] <chavo> well who knows?
[12:53] <mekgp> or....adding a "umask=2200" phrase to the appropriate spot in mtab....
[12:53] <chavo> I my mtab is messed up also, it won't let me unmount the drive though
[12:53] <mekgp> interesting...
[12:54] <mekgp> 112 guru's prowling in here and chavo and I are the only two brainstorming??  LOL
[12:54] <chavo> well I'm idle most of the time also :)
[12:54] <mekgp> FE?? u got the live cd/dvd to do an install????
[12:54] <twist3d> how do you change font size in KDE?
[12:55] <`Nomad> Where do I find the show desktop app to add the button on the toolbar?
[12:55] <mekgp> control panel (system settings) > Appearance > font
[12:55] <twist3d> thank you
[12:55] <mekgp> right click on toolbar...
[12:55] <mekgp> right click on toolbar...nomad
[12:55] <chavo> `Nomad, it should be in the applet menu
[12:56] <chavo> or in the add applet dialog if you're running 3.5
[12:59] <N17R0> is KDE 3.4.3 out of the test phase ?
[12:59] <ubuntu_> kde vs gnome
[12:59] <mekgp> kde... ;)
[12:59] <ubuntu_> hehe
[12:59] <zxsykco> kde
[01:00] <mekgp> its all a test N17R0....never ends! LOL
[01:00] <N17R0> rofl
[01:00] <ubuntu_> not clued up enough to give an educated opinion
[01:00] <mekgp> ...now for only an answer to chavo and I's questions...
[01:01] <mekgp> errrr....should say N17R0, its ALWAYS a test
[01:01] <N17R0> I just wanna know, cos yesterday it was in test phase, and KDE 3.4.3 just updated again
[01:01] <mekgp> oh...hadnt paid attention  me bad!
[01:02] <mekgp> welp folks...back to work! ;)  cya's ;)
[01:02] <twist3d> um - how the hell do you install stuff using KDE
[01:02] <N17R0> adept
[01:02] <twist3d> I need to install falsh player and double click does shit all
[01:03] <mekgp> :D    very very carefully twist3d
[01:03] <mekgp> for Konguer or other browser?
[01:03] <N17R0> just download flash from the website, then ./install.sh or something
[01:03] <mekgp> actually its not even that complicated...
[01:04] <`Nomad> Is there a list of sources to add for apt-get?
[01:04] <libben> Uptime: 2 days, 3 hours and 7 minutes
[01:04] <mekgp> if for Kong, just dwld it....extract to folder...use kong settings to search that folder and <poof> plugin added! ;)
[01:05] <twist3d> seesh
[01:05] <twist3d> I have 40 source viewers but nothing actually does anything
[01:05] <Flying_Eagle> mekgp, im getting it 510 mb of 2,7 gb...
[01:05] <mekgp> Nomad...do you have all of the ones in sources.list un-commented already?
[01:05] <twist3d> I can look at the source a million different ways but can't intsall it
[01:06] <mekgp> gotcha FlyingEagle
[01:06] <mekgp> what source u lookin at twist3d?
[01:06] <Flying_Eagle> im a little laggy cuz im reading on a different desktop
[01:07] <mekgp> twist3d????  what do you need the plugin for (flash)?  browser i assssume...
[01:08] <twist3d> yes a browser
[01:08] <twist3d> is opera available for linux?
[01:08] <`Nomad> mekgp: No, I guess I will :)
[01:08] <mekgp> should be...which one u trying to get the plugin into?
[01:08] <twist3d> Konquerer at the moment
[01:09] <twist3d> just getting opera now
[01:10] <mekgp> ok, just extract the downloaded flash player file into a folder...then, goto Konguers settings>plugins...and add that folder to the list, then let it scan for it
[01:11] <twist3d> ok
[01:11] <mekgp> did it work twist3d? ;)
[01:12] <twist3d> I'm trying to install opera at the moment
[01:12] <twist3d> whats the equivilant of .exe in linux?
[01:12] <twist3d> It's like I'm looking at my FTP clientt :(
[01:13] <mekgp> .run  .sh  .rpm  .deb   etc etc etc  could be 1 of many twist3d
[01:14] <twist3d> ?
[01:14] <mekgp> did you get opera thru adept or just download it?
[01:14] <twist3d> just download it what is adept/
[01:14] <twist3d> sorry I'm on a junk keyboard
[01:15] <mekgp> adept=package manager for Breezy (kubuntu)    which version of linux u using?
[01:15] <twist3d> I have the file in .tar.gz
[01:15] <twist3d> kubuntu
[01:15] <mekgp> hoary or breezy version?
[01:16] <twist3d> the latest iso from the site
[01:16] <twist3d> not 5.1
[01:16] <mekgp> ok...
[01:16] <`Nomad> ummm.. I saved my previous .mozilla-thunderbird directoy, but it goes really wrong if I just paste it over the fresh one created by this new thunderbird install :(  I guess I<ll have to figure out exactly which files to bring over
[01:16] <twist3d> I know exactly what to tell you if it was a windows system :(
[01:16] <mekgp> should cut/paste PRIOR to install...that'll save ya the headache
[01:17] <twist3d> ?
[01:17] <mekgp> wellll twist3d...look in the (start) K menu...under system...u see synaptic or adept??
[01:17] <twist3d> kynaptic
[01:18] <mekgp> ok...that works....use the search function to find opera listed, if its there, use kynaptic to do the install...thatll save you those headaches
[01:19] <mekgp> ....or, if your up to a little "edication", follow the instrucs for opera install off there website
[01:20] <mekgp> i cant remember all the steps for doing a "manual" install of opera into kubuntu....  :(
[01:20] <mekgp> actually, i know firefox will be listed, that'll work better for ya..  ;)
[01:21] <twist3d> THing is I what you would call a power user in XP/2k
[01:21] <chavo> opera have .debs on their site
[01:22] <twist3d> I just have no idea what the hell I'm doing with this
[01:22] <chavo> for the latest free version
[01:22] <chavo> I installed it for about 2 minutes.
[01:23] <twist3d> How do I do ipconfig?
[01:23] <mekgp> :D   if your connected ok now twisted...dont touch that one! :)
[01:23] <twist3d> I have the deb d/l'ed in binary...
[01:23] <twist3d> Whats the switch for ipconfig
[01:24] <twist3d> I had to edit .etc/network/interfaces just to get it to work
[01:25] <mekgp> what are you attempting twist3d with the ipconfig?  i might be able to give you the command...
[01:26] <twist3d> I jsut want to see what the IP resolved to...
[01:26] <mekgp> if you have the .deb file, right-clicking should give you options for install i think in kubuntu??!!
[01:26] <twist3d> also if the routers QoS is working correctly
[01:27] <mekgp> actually, just typing ifconfig, not ipconfig; will give you current info on the connections that are active
[01:28] <mekgp> typing into a terminal that is....
[01:29] <mekgp> that give you what u needed twist3d??
[01:29] <satafterh> why does ubuntu seem to be more propular than ubuntu, has gnome been around longer than kde so people are familar more with it?
[01:30] <chavo> satafterh, kde came first, ubuntu came before kubuntu
[01:30] <mekgp> you mean ubuntu verses kubuntu?
[01:30] <mekgp> chavo...isnt there more applications and tweaks avail for KDE then Gnome??
[01:31] <twist3d> yer thats good enough for know cheers
[01:31] <mekgp> ;) twist3d
[01:31] <chavo> mekgp, sure
[01:32] <mekgp> hey twist3d...can i make a suggestion for ya??  errr...to ya?? ;)
[01:32] <twist3d> kynaptic just hangs
[01:32] <twist3d> :(
[01:32] <satafterh> I know kubuntu came from ubuntu, I have only been using linux for about 4 month now and have tried unbuntu and kubuntu and I do not understand why people would choose gnome over kde, am i missing something??
[01:32] <mekgp> <------kubuntu fan
[01:32] <twist3d> go for it
[01:32] <chavo> satafterh, It's a matter of choice. I prefer the power of KDE, some like the simplicity of Gnome
[01:32] <mekgp> dump the opera....use firefox
[01:33] <chavo> gnome is for those with a few less IQ points
[01:33] <twist3d> I would like to use opera
[01:33] <mekgp> me too chavo...i think its also easier to "jump" from windoze to linux using KDE
[01:33] <mekgp> ok twist3d..if you insist! lol ;)
[01:34] <twist3d> if I could install anything that is :)
[01:34] <chavo> well I've been using Linux for a long time and was a long time Gnome user, but Gnome did a 180 degree turn from waht it once was
[01:34] <mekgp> check the opera website for some instructs...thats your best bet to guide you thru it
[01:34] <twist3d> it doesn't help wit the fundamental question
[01:35] <twist3d> i.e. clcik this + installs....
[01:35] <mekgp> <-----------started at the FedoraCore2 level.....uphILL from there! LOL
[01:35] <twist3d> on the plus side I have the most insane desktop I've ver seen!
[01:35] <mekgp> welcome to linux twist3d... ;)
[01:35] <twist3d> this drive will go in my file server tommorrow anyway
[01:36] <twist3d> this is supposed to be the n00b friendly version as well :(
[01:36] <mekgp> file 13?? ROFL
[01:36] <satafterh> simplicity?? I do not see gnome being simplar than kde, I am just wondering if there is some underlying reason form a like of gnome over kde that I dont get, no big deal, I guess it does come down to some click in peoples heads that tells them theey like something, everyone to there own
[01:36] <mekgp> thats it satafterh...
[01:37] <chavo> satafterh, there are more KDE users than Gnome users.
[01:37] <twist3d> how do I browse my HDD :(((((
[01:37] <chavo> there are more ubuntu users simply because it came out first. I predict that kubuntu will fly by it after breezy comes out
[01:37] <satafterh> really?
[01:37] <mekgp> i always thought it was the file manager ability of KDE/Kongueror that did it
[01:38] <mekgp> twist3d...use Konguer to browse the HDD
[01:38] <mekgp> open the directory sidebar from the window menu ...youll see the HD directory
[01:39] <satafterh> is there a way to video with people who are using msn
[01:39] <twist3d> open the directory sidebar from the window menu
[01:40] <twist3d> window menu?
[01:40] <mekgp> check kaffiene satafterh...i think it can be tweaked to do that, not sure thou
[01:40] <twist3d> k menu thing yes?
[01:40] <satafterh> that would be awesome
[01:40] <mekgp> no...launch Kongueror in the Internet section under K menu, then click window
[01:41] <mekgp> sata, there are other IM programs avail however....use synaptic or kynaptic or adept to search them out
[01:42] <arn> bheb
[01:43] <mekgp> that do it twist3d?? any luck?
[01:45] <twist3d> no but thank you
[01:45] <twist3d> when I click on the .deb I saved on the desktop it just opens a lit of files
[01:45] <twist3d> ararrara
[01:46] <chavo> twist3d, sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[01:47] <twist3d> that did something but it didn't install
[01:48] <twist3d> I'm guesing it just unzipped it
[01:49] <twist3d> awesome
[01:52] <mekgp> it work twist3d?
[01:52] <twist3d> no
[01:52] <twist3d> I have it all uninstalled and sat there
[01:52] <mekgp> ppfpfpfftttt...ok, here goes follow closssssly
[01:52] <chavo> twist3d, just out of curiosity, what don't you like about Konqueror?
[01:52] <twist3d> About from the incgh wide icons?
[01:52] <twist3d> also I'm used to opera
[01:52] <mekgp> u still have the .deb file for opera?
[01:52] <twist3d> yes
[01:52] <chavo> try right clicking them and changing the size?
[01:52] <twist3d> I have 3 versions of that file
[01:53] <mekgp> ok...where's it located?
[01:53] <spaceturtle> When I hibernate/resume from the X server(Nvidia, Kubuntu 5.10RC), The screen is filled with garbage or simply doesn't turn on.  Hibernate/resume sometimes works if X is not running. Any ideas?
[01:53] <chavo> you can change the default toolbar size, as well as the size in individual apps
[01:53] <twist3d> ./home/twist3d/Desktop
[01:54] <mekgp> ok...open a terminal window ie: konsole
[01:54] <chavo> and if they are 3 inches then you are running 800x600 on a 32" screen
[01:54] <mekgp> lol
[01:54] <mekgp> konsole open twist3d?
[01:54] <chavo> which is ok .... I guess?
[01:54] <twist3d> yes
[01:55] <mekgp> ok...at the prompt:  sudo -i
[01:55] <twist3d> sudo =root right?
[01:55] <mekgp> yep...
[01:56] <twist3d> ok
[01:56] <mekgp> next type: cd /home/twist3d/desktop
[01:56] <Mez> twist3d, is that you pete
[01:56] <twist3d>  yes
[01:56] <twist3d> nope
[01:57] <twist3d> sorry
[01:57] <mekgp> next type: dpkg -i <insert package name in full>       hit enter
[01:57] <mekgp> full= including .deb at the end ;)
[01:58] <manolista> any have problem with kubuntu breezy + kde 3.5 + composite??
[01:58] <twist3d> no such file etc
[01:58] <mekgp> no file??  check your spelling and puncuation...
[01:58] <chavo> manolista, works great for me.
[01:58] <mekgp> use the up arrow to scroll back to that command and check it...
[01:59] <twist3d> as root I only have two files
[01:59] <chavo> sudo -i will bring him to /root no?
[01:59] <manolista> chavo: puff, i have the same problems in two diferent instalations, the system freeze
[01:59] <mekgp> ??  you didnt "cd" into the /home/twist3d/ directory?
[01:59] <kinfo> No match for "you"
[02:00] <chavo> manolista, which card do you have?
[02:00] <mekgp> chavo...yes -i sudo's to root
[02:00] <manolista> gForce 4
[02:00] <mekgp> u there twist3d?
[02:00] <chavo> manolista, using the nvidia drivers?
[02:00] <twist3d> yes
[02:01] <twist3d> I cant create the desktop part
[02:01] <twist3d> no such file
[02:01] <mekgp> you have two .deb files for opera "showing" on the desktop??
[02:01] <twist3d> two huge icons
[02:01] <mekgp> :D
[02:01] <manolista> chavo: yes
[02:01] <chavo> cd /home/twist3d/Desktop
[02:02] <mekgp> type what chavo wrote at the command prompt...then do a "dir" to see whats listed
[02:02] <manolista> when I open a konqueror or kcontrol window the system freeze
[02:02] <chavo> manolista, hmm works great for me, I've got a 6600GT
[02:02] <twist3d> yeah it was syntax
[02:02] <mekgp> ?????
[02:03] <mekgp> you mean your fingers did the walking???  fubared the command?? LOL  ...ppfftttt, sorry, couldnt resist
[02:03] <twist3d> d / D
[02:03] <chavo> manolista, I build my own KDE though, I'm not using kubuntu packages
[02:03] <mekgp> ah HA! got to be exact....
[02:03] <chavo> not sure if that matters though
[02:03] <twist3d> lol come play with XP and I'll bury you :P
[02:03] <mekgp> i do...this laptop dual boots
[02:04] <mekgp> XP&Kubuntu! ;)
[02:04] <chavo> running XP on my laptop also
[02:04] <chavo> gonna put kubunut on when breezy comes out though
[02:04] <chavo> *kubuntu
[02:05] <manolista> chavo:  i use kubuntu packages
[02:05] <mekgp> using breezy on here now.... only 3 issues so far: power mngmnt, ati graphics card, and locked hda1
[02:05] <chavo> I've got a lot of OS's on my desktop
[02:05] <twist3d> swwet it can't execute the binary
[02:05] <mekgp> what else ya got?
[02:05] <mekgp> twist3d?  whats it telling u?
[02:05] <twist3d> cannot execute binary file
[02:06] <mekgp> stand by....
[02:06] <chavo> XP, this kubuntu install that started out as hoary, Vista beta, Suse 9.3 and Redhat 6.2 for old times sake
[02:06] <mekgp> <--------------heading to opera site
[02:06] <chavo> I've got 2 250G hard drives and a lot of freetime :)
[02:06] <mekgp> twist3d:  Install instrucs for opera: http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=456
[02:08] <isai> hi
[02:08] <mekgp> twist3d: link for correct dwnld: http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?id=27336&location=94&nothanks=yes&sub=marine
[02:08] <mekgp> lol chavo...lucky u! :)
[02:08] <isai> I accidentily lost the main menu bar on konqueror; how do I get it back?
[02:08] <chavo> isai, ctrl-m
[02:09] <isai> thanks!
[02:09] <chavo> or should be in the right click menu -> show menubar
[02:09] <mekgp> twist3d, create a download folder in your home folder to put stuff, keep it off desktop...  /home/twist3d/downloads
[02:09] <chavo> yeah I like a nice clean desktop myself
[02:09] <isai> also, I like having a tree menu of my filesystem on the left, how do I add that?
[02:09] <chavo> no icons
[02:10] <`Nomad> Using Konversation, where could I get a list of all IRC servers like in other applications?
[02:10] <mekgp> which kubuntu ver u have isai??
[02:10] <chavo> isai, hit F9 and then click on the red folder icon
[02:10] <mekgp> hit F2 or under File menu in Konversation Nomad
[02:10] <chavo> you can save the view setting as a profile and then make a link to it in the menu
[02:10] <twist3d> mekgp - that last link opens a open with dialog...
[02:11] <twist3d> what do I open it with/
[02:11] <mekgp> no save to disk choice twist3d?
[02:11] <twist3d> nope
[02:11] <isai> cool, why isn't there an entry for that in the menu bar...
[02:11] <chavo> isai, it's there I just don't use the menubar. I have it hidden
[02:12] <mekgp> hmmm...well, go back to the download page and pick the correct version for re-dwnld
[02:12] <chavo> it's under Window -> Show Navigation Panel
[02:12] <mekgp> unless using breezy chavo...then its a button in the main toolbar
[02:13] <chavo> mekgp, I have customized my toolbars
[02:13] <mekgp> isai will have to "show" the toolbar under settings then
[02:13] <isai> i am using breezy, I don't have a window menu...
[02:13] <chavo> benn building my own KDE for a while now also
[02:13] <mekgp> correct...click Settings>Toolbars>Main...should be button to the left of that bar to open directory
[02:14] <mekgp> twist3d, make sure that file your dwnlding goes into a folder under your named folder instead of desktop...
[02:15] <mekgp> then just follow the instrucs from that first link k?
[02:15] <mekgp> errr...ok??
[02:15] <mekgp> then your next headache will be to make a link to opera on the desktop! :D  yyeeeieeekkk
[02:15] <jmg> hey all
[02:16] <mekgp> ...cause it wont show up in the Internet menu under K menu!! :D
[02:16] <mekgp> hiya jmg! ;)
[02:17] <mekgp> u still there twist3d?
[02:18] <twist3d> yep
[02:18] <mekgp> downloading?
[02:18] <twist3d> nope I have a t1
[02:18] <mekgp> whwwooooott! you go!
[02:18] <twist3d> trying to make it install? yep
[02:18] <mekgp> ok...
[02:19] <mekgp> delete the two off desktop if you haven't already....no more confusion needed! LOL
[02:20] <mekgp> got to run...good luck! ;)  boise ain
[02:20] <mekgp> boise ain't getting any closer! LOL
[02:20] <twist3d> cannot execute binary file
[02:20] <twist3d> fuck it
[02:20] <mekgp> wtf??
[02:20] <twist3d> to the letter mate
[02:20] <twist3d> to the letter mate
[02:21] <jmg> anyone having problems with keyboard layouts???
[02:21] <twist3d> and every combination thereof
[02:21] <mekgp> lol...
[02:21] <imnotme> hi im having install problem
[02:21] <jmg> my win key doesnt work
[02:21] <imnotme> stuck at 6%
[02:21] <TokenBad> is there a recommended ftpd program for kubuntu...prefer one with gui but don't have to have one
[02:22] <TokenBad> I was runing proftpd on ubuntu
[02:22] <imnotme> retieving packages changes
[02:23] <mekgp> twist3d, you did pick the ubuntu version of opera in the list correct??
[02:24] <TokenBad> anyone?
[02:24] <mekgp> i think kftp is availl tokenbad...
[02:24] <crimsun> TokenBad: vsftpd is recommended
[02:24] <TokenBad> I think I tried vsftpd before on ubuntu
[02:24] <mekgp> or, just ftp thru Kongueror??
[02:24] <TokenBad> had trouble with it
[02:25] <TokenBad> I am looking for ftpd program
[02:25] <TokenBad> not a clent
[02:25] <TokenBad> client even
[02:25] <imnotme> base system installation error
[02:25] <twist3d> I hit the link you gave
[02:25] <twist3d> the .deb I started with
[02:25] <imnotme> can someone advise me??
[02:26] <imnotme> does kubuntu use same install as ubuntu?
[02:26] <crimsun> imnotme: essentially, yes
[02:26] <mekgp> kbear works....lukemftp works...
[02:26] <imnotme> well its different this time
[02:27] <imnotme> i just burned kubuntu and it stops at 6%
[02:27] <TokenBad> in kubuntu is it inetd or xinetd?
[02:27] <imnotme> check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log
[02:28] <imnotme> crimsun: strange because it installed with ubuntu breezy no problem
[02:28] <mekgp> phone...brb
[02:29] <twist3d> yay  new error subprocess dpkg-split returned error exit status 2
[02:30] <imnotme> maybe cd is burned bad. i used gnomebaker
[02:30] <imnotme> is the installer portion base system the same?
[02:31] <crimsun> imnotme: the installer is virtually identical; the base system is identical
[02:32] <imnotme> im installing kubuntu over a ubuntu. i formatted also
[02:32] <crimsun> or just install Ubuntu normally, then aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[02:32] <twist3d> so why linux>windows?
[02:32] <twist3d> I am curious
[02:32] <twist3d> I learnt php faster than this
[02:33] <chavo> linux is different, it depends on the user and situation
[02:34] <imnotme> crimsun: i might have to. but ive had a few minor gliches with ubuntu and kubuntu combined. i guess i could uninstall ubuntu after.
[02:34] <twist3d> seriously I have been trying for 2 fucking hours to install 1 program
[02:34] <twist3d> this rocks
[02:35] <imnotme> twist3d: what program?
[02:35] <twist3d> opera
[02:35] <twist3d> also anything
[02:35] <imnotme> in windows or here?
[02:35] <twist3d> as root the directory doesn't exist
[02:36] <twist3d> as normal user it won't install
[02:36] <twist3d> :thumbsup:
[02:36] <imnotme> thats not right I think
[02:36] <twist3d> no shit
[02:36] <imnotme> did you try sudo of course?
[02:36] <twist3d> sudo -i dpkg -i opera_8.50-20050916.5-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb
[02:36] <imnotme> yes
[02:37] <twist3d> can't exexute
[02:37] <imnotme> let me try it
[02:37] <twist3d> su password fails
[02:37] <crimsun> it's not sudo -i
[02:37] <twist3d> sudo password works
[02:37] <twist3d> christ
[02:37] <twist3d> what?
[02:37] <chavo> twist3d, [20:02]  <chavo> twist3d, sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[02:37] <chavo> almost an hour ago
[02:38] <twist3d> mpk was saying -i
[02:38] <crimsun> sudo dpkg, not sudo -i dpkg
[02:38] <Tm_T> :/
[02:38] <chavo> he was having you login to a root shell and then install
[02:38] <twist3d> cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[02:38] <twist3d> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:38] <twist3d>  opera_8.50-20050916.5-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.de
[02:38] <imnotme> whats the kde cd burner called? gnome baker sucks
[02:38] <twist3d> o hang on
[02:39] <crimsun> imnotme: k3b
[02:39] <imnotme> thanks
[02:39] <Hobbsee> twist3d: looks like there ought to be a b on the end of all that...
[02:39] <TokenBad> shit I guess I am going to have to go back to ubuntu
[02:39] <Hobbsee> TokenBad: why?
[02:39] <twist3d> cut on copy/paste
[02:39] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:39] <TokenBad> cause it wants me to convert this info for normal inetd.conf xinetd.conf
[02:39] <Hobbsee> why did you get that versoin of opera?
[02:40] <TokenBad> and I have no idea how
[02:40] <twist3d> I was linked to it here
[02:40] <twist3d> Setting up opera (8.50-20050916.5) ...
[02:40] <Hobbsee> hmmm ok, i usually give out the static deb link, not the debian one
[02:40] <twist3d> great but it just returns to prompt
[02:40] <twist3d> is it installed?
[02:41] <crimsun> yes
[02:41] <twist3d> kynaptic says yes
[02:41] <imnotme> http://opera.com/download/?platform=linux
[02:42] <jmg> guys my windows key stopped working.... any ideas?
[02:42] <imnotme> web site has ubuntu versions
[02:42] <Hobbsee> windows key?
[02:42] <imnotme> for breezy also
[02:42] <imnotme> twist3d: did you try the web site
[02:42] <twist3d> where did it install to?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> twist3d: http://downloads.planetmirror.com/pub/opera/linux/850/final/en/i386/static/opera-static_8.50-20050916.1-qt_en_i386.deb
[02:43] <Hobbsee> i've found that works fine on breezy and hoary
[02:43] <jmg> Hobbsee: between alt and ctrl, call it the tux key if you wish
[02:43] <twist3d> It's installed apparently
[02:44] <TokenBad> in kubuntu where is the user managment?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> that's the static deb for it, which is the one originally recommended one on ubuntuforums
[02:44] <jmg> Hobbsee: i upgraded to 3.5b1 and then downgraded though something is bung
[02:44] <twist3d> Now I'm trying to find it..
[02:44] <Hobbsee> twist3d: kappfinder
[02:45] <Hobbsee> jmg: does kde even use the windows key, or do you have to select windows through kpersonaliser?
[02:45] <jmg> Hobbsee: im defining my own shortcuts
[02:45] <jmg> Hobbsee: doesnt recognise win
[02:45] <jmg> Hobbsee: or function (toshiba key)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> which function toshiba keys have you tried?
[02:46] <jmg> the function modifier
[02:46] <jmg> not recognised
[02:46] <Hobbsee> there's a fnfxd package which you can grab which should work for the function keys
[02:46] <twist3d> lol - now I'm looking for kappfinder
[02:46] <Hobbsee> should already be installed
[02:46] <Hobbsee> use it from the run command twist3d
[02:46] <jmg> ive got that
[02:46] <jmg> windows key just wont work
[02:47] <twist3d> cheers
[02:47] <Hobbsee> as in, windows key doesnt pop up the kmenu?
[02:47] <jmg> tosh keys work but id like to use Fn for other stuff
[02:47] <Hobbsee> for some reason it does, no idea why
[02:47] <jmg> as in, windows key doesnt generate an event
[02:47] <jmg> pointing at xkb corruption
[02:47] <jmg> or similar
[02:47] <Hobbsee> yeah, for some silly reason it doesnt
[02:47] <Hobbsee> windows r might though
[02:48] <jmg> yeah because under linux win is super or meta
[02:48] <jmg> meaning its a modifier and only sends an event combined with a char
[02:48] <jmg> but its sending r without modifier
[02:48] <twist3d> sweet thanks hobbsee
[02:48] <Hobbsee> *nods* that makes vague sense lol
[02:48] <Hobbsee> no problems twist3d
[02:49] <jmg> sometimes to make the k menu popup for instance you map win to f13
[02:50] <Hobbsee> i'm guessing the place you fix this stuff is in keyboard shortcuts in kcontrol
[02:51] <Hobbsee> and i'd originally thought you were refering to your windows product key or something, which made me wonder why you were asking here :P
[02:51] <imnotme> crimsun: i reburned with k3b works. im at 36% installed
[02:52] <imnotme> seems gnome baker did not burn cd
[02:52] <Hobbsee> imnotme: what's this for? kubuntu breezy rc?
[02:52] <imnotme> kubuntu breezy
[02:52] <imnotme> rc yes
[02:52] <Hobbsee> fun
[02:53] <imnotme> yipee!
[02:53] <TokenBad> ok help
[02:53] <Hobbsee> the installer works nicely, and is more obvious than the hoary one :)
[02:53] <TokenBad> I have xinetd
[02:53] <TokenBad> but its not working
[02:53] <imnotme> i dont know but kde apps just work better.
[02:53] <TokenBad> and it seems empty
[02:53] <TokenBad> but seems I have both xinetd
[02:53] <TokenBad> and inetd
[02:58] <twist3d> someone give me somethng interesting to do with linux
[02:58] <Hobbsee> write us a program that will make us an adept updater that sits in the system tray :P
[02:59] <TokenBad> ok how come proftpd isn't working on kubuntu but worked no problem on ubuntu?
[02:59] <Mez> TokenBad, what problem you having with it
[02:59] <Mez> aka how is it " not working"
[02:59] <TokenBad> well it installed
[03:00] <TokenBad> and put itself into inetd
[03:00] <TokenBad> I edited the conf file
[03:00] <TokenBad> then restarted inetd
[03:00] <TokenBad> try to ftp into it and it gets connection refused
[03:00] <Mez> are you running a firewall at all
[03:00] <imnotme> anybody know if realplayer install is fixed?
[03:00] <Mez> and is the process showing in the process list
[03:00] <TokenBad> it didn't update
[03:00] <crimsun> I thought both proftpd and vsftpd run as stand-alone, not through [x] inetd
[03:00] <TokenBad> I just tried to ftp in on the default
[03:01] <TokenBad> and it connected
[03:01] <Hobbsee> imnotme: out of curiousity, why do you want realplayer?
[03:01] <TokenBad> crimsun, I have always ran it through inetd
[03:01] <Mez> then maybe a problem with your inetd not spawning the process correctly
[03:01] <Mez> why not run as a daemon
[03:01] <imnotme> Hobbsee: for all of BBC
[03:01] <TokenBad> whats correct way to restart inetd
[03:01] <imnotme> like tons of stations
[03:01] <TokenBad> maybe I did it wrong
[03:01] <Hobbsee> ah right, that makes sense
[03:02] <imnotme> it uses an integrated player only works so
[03:02] <Flying_Eagle> TokenBad, sudo /etc/init.d/inetd restart
[03:02] <imnotme> the ubuntu install pointed to an outdated version though
[03:02] <Flying_Eagle> or xinetd if you use this
[03:02] <Mez> crimsun, you gonna be at UBZ
[03:02] <imnotme> im just taking it from real.com
[03:03] <jmg> Hobbsee: thats what im trying
[03:03] <jmg> doesnt work, though
[03:03] <TokenBad> well I did restart it wrong
[03:03] <TokenBad> but still not updating
[03:04] <Mez> tokenbad .... run it as a daemon
[03:04] <imnotme> im off to blow up shit on bzflag
[03:04] <imnotme> byo
[03:04] <Mez> running it through inetd is just wasting resources really.... espescially if you use it a lot
[03:04] <TokenBad> Mez, I tried that once and had alot of trouble
[03:04] <crimsun> Mez: no
[03:04] <Mez> or if you have more than one connection at once
[03:05] <Mez> TokenBad, trouble?
[03:05] <hippie> when is out kde 3.5bet1 for amd64?
[03:05] <`Nomad> On Breezy, I get this trying to configure ksmoothdock.    "configure: error: Can't find X includes."
[03:06] <TokenBad> yeah couldn't get it set up for some reason
[03:06] <`Nomad> What package do I need?
[03:06] <crimsun> libx11-dev
[03:06] <Hobbsee> hippie: ask Riddell, he would know the answer to that
[03:06] <Mez> crimsun, I'm working along the principle of inetd forking a new copy of it, rather than the daemon just forking a new copy of itself... hence no having to load it into memory
[03:07] <crimsun> Mez: (missing context)
[03:07] <Mez> Nomad, you need the package crumsun said, but file a bug to get the depends fixed
[03:07] <Mez> crimsun: never mind me, I'm rambling on
[03:08] <`Nomad> crimsun: Nope, still have teh same error, 5hough I'm sure I'll need your suggeste package too :)
[03:08] <`Nomad> Mez: Woof.. I wouldn<t even knwo where to start describing it
[03:08] <stodge> Is there a package for Microsoft's core fonts?
[03:09] <stodge> And is there a KDE app for managing the fstab?
[03:09] <Mez> Nomad, just say a package wont install, and give the error
[03:09] <Hobbsee> stodge: yes, kwrite
[03:09] <hippie> Riddell: when is out kde 3.5beta1 for amd64?
[03:09] <stodge> :P
[03:09] <Hobbsee> stodge: and do you have the multiverse reps enabled?
[03:09] <Mez> hippie, as soon as someone builds it
[03:10] <stodge> Not sure hobbsee
[03:10] <stodge> Stil learning how to use kubuntu/ubuntu :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> ok, try, in a console "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[03:10] <hippie> Mez: i not know as build kde 3.5beta1
[03:11] <Mez> :P
[03:11] <`Nomad> Hobbsee: I tried that earlier, no installation candidate
[03:11] <stodge> Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package
[03:11] <Mez> then we wait
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ah ok, i thought it was there in breezy, in multiverse
[03:11] <Hobbsee> stodge: download it from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/msttcorefonts
[03:11] <`Nomad> hum... I do not have mul.tiverse. oops
[03:11] <stodge> ok
[03:12] <Mez> hmm
[03:12] <Hobbsee> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/m/msttcorefonts/msttcorefonts_1.2_all.deb
[03:12] <Hobbsee> in fact
[03:12] <Mez> I cant seem to enable bluetooth on windows
[03:12] <Mez> grr
[03:13] <Riddell> hippie: when dapper is open
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why only when dapper is open?
[03:14] <hippie> Riddell: ok, thanks
[03:14] <stodge> What do I configure to display the desktop icons (Home, etc)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> did you install the deb?
[03:15] <crimsun> Hobbsee: we're 4 days away from release.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> true, and i suppose the focus is on that
[03:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: until then breezy is priority
[03:15] <soulslayer87> Hello
[03:15] <soulslayer87> Excuse me
[03:15] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:16] <soulslayer87> I need some help here
[03:16] <Hobbsee> soulslayer87: dont ask to ask, just ask
[03:16] <soulslayer87> please...
[03:16] <Hobbsee> soulslayer87: we dont bite
[03:16] <Hobbsee> soulslayer87: much...
[03:16] <soulslayer87> Im downloading righy Know the last kubuntu
[03:17] <soulslayer87> Im really dont know how to use it or install it
[03:17] <soulslayer87> excuse for my english
[03:17] <stodge> Is there a wiki for kubuntu?
[03:17] <stodge> Looking for the multiverse address
[03:17] <stodge> Oops found the wiki
[03:17] <soulslayer87> but in kubuntu-es nobody answer
[03:18] <soulslayer87> hi??
[03:18] <soulslayer87> somebody??
[03:18] <crimsun> boot from the CD and follow the prompts
[03:20] <soulslayer87> ohhh i see
[03:21] <soulslayer87> ill comunicate later... thank you
[03:27] <`Nomad> Are the backport addresses supposed to work from a default install?
[03:27] <twist3d> man why is this terminal thing so fucking picky
[03:28] <Hobbsee> twist3d: language
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Nomad: in breezy?
[03:29] <TokenBad> is the new version of kubuntu still going to be out on the 13th?
[03:31] <`Nomad> Hobbsee:  yes, in Breezy
[03:31] <`Nomad> I just added multiverse, nice positive difference
[03:31] <Hobbsee> backports arent open yet, until the acutal release
[03:31] <Hobbsee> definetly
[03:31] <TokenBad> question
[03:31] <TokenBad> I installed electricsheep screensaver
[03:32] <TokenBad> but it don't show up in screensavers
[03:32] <TokenBad> is there a way to put it there?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> TokenBad: does it need xscreensavers and kscreensaver-xscreensaver installed?
[03:35] <TokenBad> I don't know
[03:36] <TokenBad> should I try that?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:36] <TokenBad> ok how should I go about that?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> rss-glx screensavers depend on them, so that one might too
[03:36] <Hobbsee> in adept, do a search for screensaver
[03:37] <TokenBad> kscreensaver-xsavers - KDE hooks for standard xscreensavers
[03:37] <TokenBad> xscreensaver - Automatic screensaver for X
[03:37] <TokenBad> those right?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:38] <Hobbsee> that's them
[03:39] <Hobbsee> maybe the no-gnome xscreensaver one as well, i dont remember
[03:43] <TokenBad> I got error on the xscreensaver
[03:46] <Hobbsee> what error?
[03:54] <hippie> what colors is for default in kubuntu?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> um...blue
[03:55] <Hobbsee> yeah blue
[03:55] <logikal> Hi ho
[03:55] <cafuego_> Sorry for the botspam, I just closed a security hole.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> ah good
[03:55] <Hobbsee> what, so people cant modify it at random?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hi logikal :)
[03:55] <cafuego_> That's a feature ;-)
[03:55] <logikal> hi hobbsee
[03:55] <Hobbsee> lol i know
[03:55] <logikal> what's up
[03:55] <Hobbsee> a useful one
[03:55] <cafuego_> Hobbsee: no, anyone could make it join any channel (without a way to get him back off).
[03:56] <Hobbsee> sitting here procrastinating, as usual :P
[03:56] <logikal> you at work?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> ah great
[03:56] <logikal> what time is it there?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> noon
[03:56] <Hobbsee> monday
[03:56] <cafuego_> lunchtime!
[03:56] <logikal> see it's 10 sunday here
[03:56] <logikal> so you are at work?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:56] <Hobbsee> no
[03:56] <Hobbsee> supposedly studying at home
[03:56] <logikal> you go to school?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> yes, well, only for a few more exams
[03:57] <Hobbsee> graduating this year
[03:57] <logikal> college, or high school?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> high school
[03:57] <logikal> oh lol, you're that young?
[03:57] <logikal> you gave the impression of being atleast 25 to me..
[03:58] <TokenBad> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/xscreensaver/config/electricsheep.xml', which is also in package electricsheep
[03:58] <TokenBad> that
[03:58] <logikal> I need to make my desktop look better
[03:58] <logikal> I am only 19 tho, Hobbsee
[03:59] <Hobbsee> lol ty, everyone says that
[03:59] <Tm_T> :/
[03:59] <Hobbsee> TokenBad: uninstall electric sheep first?
[03:59] <logikal> you got a pic?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> you wont have to download it again
[03:59] <TokenBad> I tried that
[03:59] <TokenBad> got an error then
[03:59] <logikal> Mine is here... www.myspace.com/logikal42
[03:59] <Hobbsee> what error then?
[04:00] <TokenBad> its 3 lines long
[04:00] <TokenBad> want it here or where?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> here
[04:00] <TokenBad> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[04:00] <TokenBad> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:00] <TokenBad>   kscreensaver-xsavers: Depends: xscreensaver but it is not going to be installed
[04:00] <Hobbsee> it's hardly busy, and if it's 3 lines..
[04:00] <TokenBad> which I did that
[04:00] <TokenBad> and it gave error
[04:01] <TokenBad> which is the same as the first error
[04:01] <TokenBad> about trying to overwrite the electricsheep file
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hmmm...get rid of all 3, then try installing them starting with xscreensaver?
[04:07] <TokenBad> if it will let me get rid of any of the 3 yet
[04:07] <cyne> who can recommend desktop plugins/addons which can make my desktop look really nice
[04:08] <phoenixbyrd> superkaramba?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> isnt there some sort of force remove lol...or is that not a great idea
[04:08] <TokenBad> ok I removed the programs
[04:09] <TokenBad> installed xscreensaver
[04:09] <Hobbsee> yep, no errors?
[04:09] <TokenBad> and the kscreensaver
[04:09] <`Nomad411> I like ksmoothdock, but would liek to hear suggestions for replacements
[04:09] <TokenBad> got to electricsheep
[04:09] <TokenBad> and get errors
[04:09] <Hobbsee> what errors for electric sheep?
[04:09] <cyne> yes that's the one phoenixbyrd
[04:09] <TokenBad> same as before
[04:09] <cyne> thanks
[04:09] <TokenBad> about overwriting that file
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hmmm...force it to install?
[04:10] <TokenBad> was just about to ask that
[04:10] <TokenBad> heheh
[04:10] <logikal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29317
[04:10] <logikal> Hobbsee, How do I install those?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> what were you wanting to install from there?
[04:12] <`Nomad411> I have an app that listed all sorts of Internet radios, but can<t remember the name now :(  Anyone?
[04:12] <`Nomad411> Ico was a green triangle on it<s side
[04:12] <logikal> well
[04:12] <logikal> the things
[04:12] <logikal>  have packaged some stuff from kde-apps and kde-look for debian unstable.
[04:12] <logikal>
[04:12] <logikal>  http://mirror.pusling.com/
[04:12] <logikal>  http://mirror.pusling.com/debian/unstable
[04:12] <logikal>
[04:12] <logikal>  Or just simply add the following line(s) to your sources.list:
[04:12] <logikal>
[04:12] <logikal>  deb http://mirror.pusling.com/debian/unstable ./
[04:12] <logikal>  deb-src http://mirror.pusling.com/debian/unstable ./
[04:13] <logikal> sorry for flood
[04:13] <logikal> but I want to install the deb http://..........
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Nomad: juk, maybe?  google is likely to tell you
[04:13] <TokenBad> Hobbsee, whats the force command again
[04:13] <Hobbsee> you can add to your sources list, or just grab the deb from the site
[04:13] <Hobbsee> um... -f?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> check --help
[04:13] <logikal> which way would you do it hobsee?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> http://mirror.pusling.com/debian/unstable/
[04:14] <Hobbsee> i'd grab the deb from there, and install it manually
[04:14] <Hobbsee> if you start adding debian unstable stuff to your reps, and then update & upgrade off that...well it's known to cause trouble
[04:17] <logikal> how do i install a .deb package
[04:17] <Hobbsee> cd to directory
[04:17] <Hobbsee> sudo dpkg -i filename(hit tab)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> in a console
[04:20] <TokenBad> Hobbsee, I did apt-get --force-yes install electricsheep and it still gives error
[04:20] <logikal> cd to the folder where the .deb is at?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> where did you download the deb to?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ugh really?  that's a pain
[04:21] <logikal> I need a 64 version
[04:22] <Hobbsee> there wasnt one there?
[04:22] <logikal> dpkg: error processing fraqtive_0.3.1-1_i386.deb (--install):
[04:22] <logikal>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[04:22] <logikal> http://mirror.pusling.com/debian/unstable/
[04:22] <logikal> go there and look at all the thingys
[04:23] <Hobbsee> ah...
[04:24] <Hobbsee> i thought you were on i386
[04:24] <logikal> no lol 64 bit
[04:26] <logikal> :(
[04:26] <Hobbsee> i've got no idea then
[05:00] <user0> so installing kubuntu from live cd will completely destroy my previous distribution installation right?
[05:21] <narg> hrm... did w32codecs change repositories? I change seem to find it in multiverse.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, they took it out
[05:23] <Hobbsee> debian.video.free.fr/
[05:23] <Hobbsee> apparently has it
[05:23] <narg> but is the compiled for the right dependancy set for kubuntu?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[05:24] <Hobbsee> also seems to work, which is the one i've got
[05:24] <narg> nod
[05:24] <narg> I'll just use that ;)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> think so, for the second one at least
[05:24] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:24] <narg> dang legal problems making it being in real repos iffy.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> it's got java there as well, kinda useful
[05:24] <Hobbsee> yeah, exactly
[05:25] <narg> isnt java in kubuntu already?
[05:26] <propagandhi> howdy guyss
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hi propagandhi
[05:27] <satafterh> is where a way to add other cities to kweather
[05:27] <propagandhi> does anyone know how to get metabar working in kde
[05:28] <Hobbsee> metabar?
[05:28] <propagandhi> yeah
[06:19] <TokenBad> is there a way to reload kde without rebooting?
[06:20] <BlankB> from the login screen do Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[06:20] <TokenBad> I don't want to go that far out
[06:20] <TokenBad> I just want to reload the menu's
[06:20] <BlankB> ahh.
[06:20] <BlankB> dunno.
[06:25] <TokenBad> now if I can figure out why movies won't play
[06:30] <BlankB> what is wrong?
[06:31] <inc|freaky> good morning ;D
[06:31] <inc|freaky> damn, gotta go to school soon :\
[06:42] <_nyn_> hi. i'm looking for a dcop call to reparse ~/[...] /kdeglobals, so as to be able to change keyboard shortcuts via script. anyone knows what takes care of that? kwin? kded? kdesktop?
[06:43] <logikal> TokenBad, ctrl+alt+backspace is a quick log out/log in
[06:43] <_nyn_> i actually need to do it via script, without logging out...
[06:44] <jesusfish> uh, is KDE 3.4.3 supposed to replace my 3.5 beta1 packages?
[06:44] <_nyn_> enable/disable certain shortcuts
[06:49] <The_Vox> jesusfish: no, it shouldn't, I don't think
[06:53] <jesusfish> The_Vox: hmmm....it appears as though it is
[06:54] <The_Vox> jesusfish: I'm noticing that some parts of my kde have gone to 3.4.3 too, while some are still 3.4.91
[06:55] <jesusfish> The_Vox: ya
[06:58] <jesusfish> I caught my upgrade before it installed
[06:58] <The_Vox> I didn't
[06:58] <The_Vox> :/
[07:08] <logikal> guys
[07:08] <logikal> I have a quick question
[07:08] <logikal> I want to make my volume hot key and mute key on my keyboard work, they worked on gnome
[07:08] <logikal> how do i make them work herE
[07:13] <bjv> im not seeing an option for Kubuntu disks in the ShipIt program?
[07:13] <bjv> while i have nothing against gnome, but the default setup for the 5.04 live disks was quite scary. :o
[07:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> bjv: only Ubuntu ships printed afaik
[07:14] <bjv> i suppose Ubuntu is so brown and alien on purpose.
[07:15] <bjv> to ship a cleaner, more generic interface would kind of be counter productive.
[07:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats wrong with ubuntu?
[07:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> *gnome
[07:16] <bjv> i just cant handle it!
[07:16] <bjv> first thing i do it move the desktop bar to the bottom, and change the background to a rational color. :\
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:18] <DShepherd> bjv: ubuntu is kool
[07:18] <bjv> yes i ordered some pressed cd
[07:18] <DShepherd> bjv: nothing wrong with it at all
[07:19] <kkathman> Evening all :)
[07:19] <Hobbsee> afternoon kkathman :)
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi :)
[07:19] <bjv> DShepherd:you dont find the default gnome look to be avant-garde at all?
[07:19] <bjv> *ubuntu
[07:20] <Hobbsee> avant-garde?
[07:20] <DShepherd> bjv: brown is not an offensive colour. Well to most countries it isnt
[07:20] <bjv> DShepherd: in the context of the greens, blues, blacks and whites im used to. :P
[07:20] <bjv> brown requires a mix of all RGB
[07:21] <bjv> it's funky/ :P
[07:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> think outside the RGB you live in ;)
[07:21] <DShepherd> bjv: just like human beings . We mix everyday too
[07:21] <Hobbsee> which is precisely why we should have a bright yellow desktop :P
[07:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:21] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[07:22] <bjv> yeah, well id wrather my X environment not feel human. :P
[07:22] <bjv> *-w
[07:22] <Hobbsee> kubuntu 6.04 in bright yellow you think?  or orange?  blue's surely getting old :P
[07:22] <DShepherd> bjv: ok What ever makes your ubuntu experience less brown
[07:24] <chavo> Hobbsee, purple
[07:24] <Hobbsee> ooh purple!
[07:24] <Hobbsee> now that'd be fun!
[07:24] <bjv> gentoo already stole purple.
[07:24] <Hobbsee> so?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> less desktops are purple than blue
[07:25] <chavo> yeah but no one uses gentoo :P
[07:25] <Hobbsee> we could just have a different shade of purple
[07:25] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:28] <kkathman> oops sorry had to step out a moment
[07:28] <kkathman> Hey there Hobbsee :)
[07:29] <kkathman> whats new?
[07:31] <ccox> hello
[07:31] <ccox> so this is the first time trying kubuntu
[07:31] <Brondoman> hello...quick question:  Was madwifi removed from the current RC release in kubuntu and Ubuntu?  It appears to be missing (find /lib/modules | grep ath) shows the modules are gone....
[07:31] <ccox> must say it is very different than normal ubuntu! lol
[07:31] <ccox> has some advantages
[07:32] <fangorious> can amarok be made to work with hotkeys so I can use my keyboard buttons?
[07:33] <joeyttb> dear all
[07:33] <kkathman> ccox: Its basically ubuntu with KDE
[07:33] <joeyttb> i have problem when copmpile a program
[07:33] <ccox> ya ... but lots of changes to most kde in other distros
[07:33] <joeyttb> gcc error in kubuntu breezy
[07:33] <ccox> the network manager
[07:33] <kkathman> joeyttb: what kinds of issues
[07:33] <chavo> hello kkathman :)
[07:34] <kkathman> hey chavo!! how are you?
[07:34] <ccox> the settings, the user account settings
[07:34] <joeyttb> i have installed gcc-4.o
[07:34] <ccox> all really cool
[07:34] <joeyttb> i have installed gcc-4.0
[07:34] <chavo> good and you?
[07:34] <joeyttb> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[07:34] <LaschW> Is there a specific reason why there is no kdenetwork of kde3.5beta1 on kubuntu's download site? For Suse there are kdenetwork rpms from kde.
[07:35] <Hobbsee> kkathman: still playing around with everything
[07:35] <kkathman> chavo: I am well, eagerly awating the Thursday release :)
[07:36] <chavo> joeyttb, how did you install gcc -> did you install build-essential?
[07:36] <Hobbsee> definetly true
[07:36] <kkathman> Hobbsee: everything doing ok?
[07:36] <Brondoman> has madwifi (atheros drivers) been removed from (K)ubuntu ?
[07:36] <chavo> yeah, I'm hoping the servers aren't to hammered
[07:36] <joeyttb>  <chavo> joeyttb, how did you install gcc -> did you install build-essential? yup
[07:36] <chavo> ok
[07:36] <chavo> what are you trying to compile?
[07:37] <joeyttb> kiptablesmanager
[07:37] <joeyttb> also another program
[07:37] <Brondoman> anyone know if madwifi has been removed from kubuntu RC release?
[07:37] <joeyttb> all program that i tried to compile have same problem
[07:37] <chavo> did you install g++
[07:37] <joeyttb> yup
[07:38] <chavo> hmm, odd
[07:38] <fangorious> is there a kde equivalent of gnome-keybinding-properites?
[07:38] <kkathman> joeyttb: When I got the things for compilation there were several I had to get, build-essential as chavo said, but also the libglib libraries too, and g++
[07:38] <ccox> want to know that too .. have multimedia keys I want to get working
[07:38] <kkathman> joeyttb: what about the libglib libs?
[07:39] <chavo> fangorious, Look at Regional & Accessibility  ->  Keyboard Shortcuts
[07:39] <joeyttb> ok i will check
[07:39] <chavo> you can also try khotkeys
[07:39] <Brondoman> man, I'm getting the same response I got in Ubuntu....no answer :-(
[07:39] <kkathman> there may be newer ones joeyttb , but I did libglib2.0-dev and libgtk2.0-dev
[07:39] <chavo> khotkeys will let you use mouse gestures and in 3.5 allows voice control
[07:39] <kkathman> probably newers ones for breezy tho
[07:40] <chavo> along with keyboard shortcuts
[07:40] <chavo> Brondoman, sorry I have no idea about madwifi
[07:40] <Brondoman> Does annyone know if madwifi was removed from the current RC release?  The drivers are missing in /lib/modules
[07:40] <konfuzed> hey has anyone here used asterisk on kubuntu
[07:40] <fangorious> chavo, thanks for the tip
[07:41] <ccox> is khotkeys installed by default?
[07:41] <konfuzed> I winder about the hardware support and if there has been any troubles
[07:41] <chavo> ccox, yes look in Regional & Accesibility
[07:41] <fangorious> ccox: i don't see it in an apt-cache search, i'm just installing kubuntu-desktop
[07:41] <Brondoman> Thanks -- though noone was seeing my messages...thanks for the reply
[07:41] <kkathman> chavo: can you think of a reason why my media links just quick working?  I have several computers on my network, each with a media link in the media directory, and for some reason they will just hang and I have to reboot
[07:41] <chavo> ccox, you have to turn it on
[07:42] <ccox> what they have added to stock KDE is amazing! I think I am liking better than ubuntu
[07:42] <kkathman> chavo: I'll go to a konsole, cd to the media directory, then do a simple ls -l and it hangs
[07:42] <konfuzed> Brondoman: Anytime dude ;^)
[07:42] <ccox> must thank the kubuntu developers
[07:42] <chavo> kkathman, are they samba shares?
[07:43] <kkathman> yep
[07:43] <konfuzed> does any do telephony with thier kubuntu
[07:43] <chavo> smbd takes up a lot of CPU if I browse this computer from my other ones and I have to kill it
[07:43] <chavo> still works though
[07:44] <kkathman> hmmm mine seems to work after I reboot
[07:44] <chavo> so I'm hoping that the update fixes it
[07:44] <kkathman> but its typically my Win box that gets lost...I think tis because I reboot it sometimes
[07:44] <joeyttb> thank you kkathman and chavo for your respon :D
[07:44] <joeyttb> it's work now
[07:44] <fangorious> kkathman, are both ends running linux?
[07:44] <kkathman> great joeyttb !
[07:44] <chavo> anytime
[07:45] <kkathman> fangorious: I have three winboxes and three linux boxes on the network
[07:45] <kkathman> I think its because I rebooted the Win box
[07:45] <kkathman> the linux boxes all come up fine
[07:46] <fangorious> kkathman, which platform is serving, and which is browsing?
[07:46] <kkathman> fangorious: I am on my main Linux box, and trying to get to my Winbox
[07:47] <fangorious> kkathman, have you looked at putting SFU 3.5 on your Windows machines? It includes what is supposed to be a rather robust nfs server/client
[07:47] <kkathman> I just tried a simple sudo mount -a && mount and it didnt resolve it, but if I reboot my linux box it will work Im sure
[07:47] <fangorious> probably performs better than samba on linux
[07:47] <kkathman> fangorious: I really havent, I guess I took th easy way out :)
[07:48] <kkathman> brb
[07:52] <kkathman> bacl
[07:52] <kkathman> back
[07:52] <kkathman> sorry I just rebooted
[07:52] <kkathman> yep it works fine now
[07:53] <kkathman> I think rebooting my winbox messed up the Samba authentication.
[07:53] <kkathman> but I havent figured this out
[07:53] <kkathman> I just suspect
[07:56] <kkathman> chavo:  How are you liking breezy?
[07:57] <kkathman> and Hobbsee, are you experiencing any issues?
[07:57] <chavo> so far so good, I've been building my own kde for a while now anyway
[07:57] <chavo> so I always have that up to date
[07:57] <kkathman> chavo: Ahh well you are one of the ones with that superior talent!
[07:57] <chavo> it's really easy
[07:57] <kkathman> maybe you should market your chavo-KDE :)
[07:58] <kkathman> call it CKDE
[07:58] <kkathman> hehe
[07:58] <chavo> but I am making a style and windeco, slowly but surely
[07:59] <ilba7r> how can i release the sound device from a process that has been killed but is reported that is still using it
[07:59] <fangorious> chavo: guess i didn't look long enough, in amarok, Settings->Global Shortcuts lets me reassign the keys, and the keybord commands are working now
[07:59] <mzelem> Hello, anyone know how to make bluetooth keyboard/mouse work in kubuntu?
[08:00] <Hobbsee> sorry kkathman, was reading something else.  still got the rebooting problem, but no other problems, and i havent really got a clue how to fix teh rebooting problem
[08:01] <Hobbsee> ie screen goes black after it goes thru the shutting down stages, but the HD is still spinning and the computer light is still on
[08:01] <kkathman> Hobbsee: odd, that sounds like it might be linked to like an APC or something
[08:02] <Hobbsee> an APC?  what's that?
[08:02] <Hobbsee> oh, as in acpi?
[08:03] <kernoman> I see the features of kubuntu include a simplified konq - does this mean theres no option to load profiles?
[08:03] <kkathman> Hobbsee: yes, because usually things like that seem to revolve around that subsystem
[08:03] <kkathman> kernoman: I thing there are some reports of that, yes
[08:04] <kernoman> is there any plans to give us that back or let us decide if we want to load profiles?
[08:04] <kkathman> Im not sure to be honest
[08:04] <kkathman> you probably should at least log a request and maybe a bug report
[08:07] <kernoman> I will wait till breezy goes live, if its still a problem then I will raise it
[08:08] <kkathman> well if you raise it now, it might get attention before it goes live tho
[08:08] <kkathman> kernoman: do you just want to use it as a file manager?
[08:08] <kernoman> yup
[08:08] <kkathman> or do you use it as a browser also
[08:08] <kernoman> both sometimes, i really dont understand why they have tried to dumb it down
[08:09] <kkathman> Im not sure either, except there are several Linux File managers out there
[08:09] <aftertaf> morning all....
[08:09] <kkathman> but I dont know if the "dumbing down" was for just breezy or for Konq in general
[08:09] <aftertaf> nice to see the kubuntu boot splash working and doing its stuff :)
[08:10] <kernoman> true it maybe the konq devs that have done it, if so bad move on their part
[08:11] <kkathman> I dont know why they'd do that
[08:11] <kernoman> me either
[08:11] <chavo> kernoman, they aren't removing profiles
[08:12] <kernoman> so its kubuntu devs, so its a bug or kubuntu devs have removed it?
[08:12] <kkathman> kernoman: You might check this out for alternatives:  http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/23/2226202&tid=13&tid=49
[08:12] <chavo> kernoman, I have no idea I run my own KDE build
[08:12] <kkathman> of course theres no guarantees under breezy I reckon
[08:13] <kkathman> kernoman: didnt you say that they basically removed the options to split left/right?
[08:14] <kernoman> yup plus no window in the menu or option to load profile
[08:15] <chavo> oh that's why someone couldn't find the Window menu earlier
[08:15] <chavo> might as well just run gnome if you dumb it down too much
[08:16] <kernoman> exactly, at the moment nautils is looking a better alternative to the current konq, shame cause i loved konq :(
[08:16] <kkathman> chavo: yah, but there are other file manager alternatives if breezy supports them
[08:17] <kernoman> shouldnt need alternatives when KDE ships a perfectly good filemanager
[08:17] <kkathman> chavo: Im a little concerned that there are some compromises that the developers did, which in turn forced them to remove the stuff in Konq
[08:18] <chavo> kkathman, well I'll just have to start my own distro now :)
[08:19] <kkathman> chavo:  I will put my name on the new CUBUNTU :)
[08:19] <chavo> lol
[08:19] <aftertaf> true that konq has lost that stuff... you guys got me to look. :(
[08:19] <kkathman> sorry I meant the new CUBUNTU mailing list
[08:19] <aftertaf> maybe assk Riddell ??
[08:19] <kkathman> yah Riddell would know
[08:20] <chavo> they took out profiles?
[08:20] <kkathman> but I think you guyz should log an error report
[08:20] <kernoman> just tried krusader....not for me
[08:20] <aftertaf> cos before we all use nautilus *shudder*, we need to know what & why....
[08:20] <aftertaf> *reshudder*
[08:21] <_spark> hi can anyone help me with ltsp? I followed the instructions in the wiki page. I used all the config files generated by ltsp. xmdcp and tftp are not running
[08:21] <kernoman> nautilus has the edge on krusader for me
[08:21] <CaiN_SA> urg
[08:21] <aftertaf> never used krusader
[08:21] <CaiN_SA> why the hell does kdm
[08:21] <CaiN_SA> need kubuntu default settings
[08:21] <CaiN_SA> omw
[08:22] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  wat do you mean?      wth regard to themes?
[08:22] <CaiN_SA> cos it changes all my themes every time it gets upgraded
[08:22] <aftertaf> and you cant use the user list with any other than the std theme either. I filed a boog for that one
[08:22] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, kdm depends on kubuntu-default-settings, now everytime i update my system the themes and kicker bars etc change
[08:23] <kkathman> kernoman: what didnt you like about the Krusader?
[08:23] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  kicker bars too? argh. !!!!!!     just the kdm theme for me.
[08:23] <chavo> CaiN_SA, that sucks
[08:23] <kernoman> i like my icon previews n stuff, krusader reminds me of SID on the amiga....
[08:23] <aftertaf> there is suckiness to be found in that, yeah
[08:23] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, pvt plz
[08:24] <paul_> how sould I set /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:24] <kkathman> Seriously, you guys need to send a bug report or complaint so that there is a chance we'll get that fixed
[08:24] <kernoman> amiga rocked!, i gotta go now get my son ready for school - bye all
[08:24] <kkathman> paul_: you might try sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:25] <kkathman> paul_: But back up your current one first
[08:25] <aftertaf> !tell paul_ about repos
[08:25] <paul_> The question is what to write in this file.
[08:25] <kkathman> paul_: for breezy?
[08:26] <paul_> what is breezy ?
[08:26] <aftertaf> paul_:  in 3 days, the latest stable version of (k)ubuntu
[08:27] <paul_> ok, for this info !
[08:27] <kkathman> paul_:  go here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes?highlight=%28breezy%29%7C%28upgrade%29
[08:28] <kkathman> if you are upgrading to breezy
[08:29] <_nyn_> from a kde section at freedesktop.org:
[08:29] <_nyn_> "If we wanted to update them in running programs we could send out a global DCOP message that the default shortcuts have been changed. The kde library would capture the message and updates its shortcuts against the kdeglobals file. Very easy."
[08:29] <_nyn_> anyone knows how to do that?
[08:29] <_nyn_> which dcop call?
[08:29] <_nyn_> tried many of them, and no one works
[08:30] <_nyn_> i was expecting it to be "reparseConfiguration", but no
[08:30] <kkathman> I have no clue on that :)
[08:30] <_nyn_> from a kde site:
[08:30] <_nyn_> "Since changes to .../share/config/kdeglobals do not trigger an automatic ksycoca update you need to force an update manually. To force an update of the ksycoca database touch the file .../share/services/update_ksycoca."
[08:30] <_nyn_> didn't work either...
[08:30] <_nyn_> :(
[08:31] <_nyn_> i'm totally out of clues now...
[08:31] <TokenBad> kkathman, that link posted seems to be for ubuntu..not kubuntu
[08:31] <TokenBad> or does it matter
[08:34] <kkathman> TokenBad: Uhm...doesnt really matter
[08:35] <kkathman> repos should be for ubuntu
[08:35] <kkathman> kubuntu is merely ubuntu with KDE basically
[08:35] <kkathman> you use the same repos, or should
[08:35] <logikal> kubuntu = ubuntu with KDE
[08:35] <kkathman> right
[08:35] <logikal> yes, you use the same repos
[08:35] <logikal> if someone asks which os I have, I say Ubuntu
[08:36] <TokenBad> stupid electricsheep
[08:36] <logikal> KDE Is just a desktop enviornment
[08:36] <TokenBad> so many problems with it
[08:36] <aftertaf> ubuntu isnt gnome... ts a dstro
[08:37] <aftertaf> which has gnome by default.
[08:37] <logikal> basically what i just said
[08:37] <TokenBad> ubuntu comes with electricsheep
[08:37] <aftertaf> :)
[08:37] <TokenBad> but an older version
[08:37] <logikal> :)
[08:37] <TokenBad> and if you try to update it
[08:37] <TokenBad> it errors
[08:37] <aftertaf> !info electricsheep
[08:37] <aftertaf> TokenBad:  file a bug.....
[08:37] <logikal> ubotu tell TokenBad about electricsheep
[08:38] <aftertaf> !electricsheep
[08:38] <logikal> !electricsheep
[08:38] <aftertaf> no happen ubotu....
[08:38] <aftertaf> !!!
[08:38] <ubotu> it has been said that ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[08:38] <logikal> ubotu dont be a homo.
[08:38] <ubotu> logikal: I give up, what is it?
[08:38] <aftertaf> !wft
[08:38] <aftertaf> !wtf
[08:39] <aftertaf> what is it sposed to be anyway?
[08:39] <kkathman> hmm
[08:39] <TokenBad> so you guys know about the problem with it?
[08:39] <aftertaf> elecsheep.
[08:39] <TokenBad> screensaver
[08:39] <aftertaf> oki.........
[08:39] <aftertaf> i see...
[08:39] <TokenBad> tried to update it
[08:39] <aftertaf> apart, or part of xscreensaver?
[08:39] <kkathman> sorry, I dont use it so it make no diff
[08:39] <TokenBad> and it will not overwrite the file that comes with ubuntu
[08:39] <aftertaf> TokenBad:  what is the error?
[08:39] <TokenBad> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/xscreensaver/config/electricsheep.xml', which is also in package xscreensaver
[08:40] <aftertaf> you can use dpkg -i --force-overwrite??
[08:40] <aftertaf> there u go.
[08:40] <TokenBad> haven't tried the overwrite
[08:40] <aftertaf> use dpkg -i --force ;)
[08:40] <TokenBad> but I was using apt-get
[08:40] <aftertaf> thats why you're here dude ;)
[08:40] <TokenBad> and tried --force-yet
[08:40] <aftertaf> same thing (sort of)
[08:40] <TokenBad> -yes even
[08:40] <TokenBad> and it will not work
[08:41] <Sgep> bye all
[08:41] <TokenBad> sudo apt-get install --force-yes electricsheep
[08:41] <TokenBad> thats the command
[08:41] <TokenBad> and still get the error
[08:42] <aftertaf> nope
[08:42] <aftertaf> dpkg
[08:43] <TokenBad> so I have to download the deb file?
[08:43] <aftertaf> TokenBad:  you already have it man ;)
[08:43] <TokenBad> where?
[08:43] <aftertaf> type dpkg --force-help
[08:43] <aftertaf> for the cmd syntax
[08:43] <TokenBad> where would the deb file be though?
[08:43] <aftertaf> all apt-got stuff is in /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:43] <TokenBad> oh ok
[08:43] <aftertaf> give me time to type!!!!!!!
[08:43] <aftertaf> ;)
[08:44] <aftertaf> i just woke up:)
[08:44] <TokenBad> heheh..sorry I type to fast
[08:44] <aftertaf> lol
[08:44] <aftertaf> you'll find, if you do the dpkg -i --force-help itll give you syntax for the command.....
[08:45] <aftertaf> think its spkg -i --force-overwrite /var/pathtodeb/fullnameofdeb.deb
[08:45] <aftertaf> errr!
[08:45] <aftertaf> dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/pathtodeb/fullnameofdeb.deb
[08:46] <logikal> dud
[08:46] <logikal> e
[08:46] <logikal> you just woke up, where do you live?
[08:46] <aftertaf> hehe
[08:46] <aftertaf> france :)
[08:46] <logikal> coo lol
[08:46] <logikal> what time is it there?
[08:47] <aftertaf> been up 2 hours, but coffee needed and working round my blood supply right now :)
[08:47] <aftertaf> 8:45 am
[08:47] <TokenBad> aftertaf, that worked...
[08:47] <TokenBad> thanks
[08:47] <aftertaf> ok :)
[08:47] <aftertaf> TokenBad:  you'll have the same message when you next upgrade xscreensaver.......   note that command and be aware of how to fix ;)
[08:47] <TokenBad> well I need to upgrade to breezy
[08:48] <TokenBad> but wondering if I should wait till the full release of kubuntu is released on the 13th
[08:48] <logikal> hmm
[08:48] <logikal> yes
[08:48] <logikal> that's an idea
[08:48] <aftertaf> wen you apg-get upgrade.... it may break cos of that... you'll need to remove the package first ;) or handle the dpkg command and rerun apt with apt-get -f install
[08:48] <logikal> man i fear upgrading
[08:48] <aftertaf> logikal:  dont... its a rite of passage
[08:49] <aftertaf> baptism of fire :)
[08:49] <TokenBad> yeah I am thinking of waiting for the full release on the 13th
[08:49] <logikal> haha
[08:49] <TokenBad> download the install
[08:49] <logikal> Im on breezy
[08:49] <aftertaf> nah. no need to wait now. serious
[08:49] <TokenBad> and install
[08:49] <logikal> how long till i need to upgrade?
[08:49] <TokenBad> then reinstall everything
[08:49] <aftertaf> and i'm on kde 3.5 beta
[08:49] <logikal> 3.5? in breezy?
[08:49] <aftertaf> TokenBad:  unless you've killed sth on the way, no need to reinstall at all
[08:49] <aftertaf> logikal:  nope..... separate ;)
[08:50] <logikal> oh ok
[08:50] <logikal> you r the master
[08:50] <aftertaf> it was in the topic  before....
[08:50] <aftertaf> logikal:  hehe... nah, just daft enough to test untested software , and just knowledgable enough to know when i've broken it to much :)
[08:50] <logikal> why arent ya in the italian channel?
[08:51] <logikal> jw
[08:51] <aftertaf> me?
[08:52] <TokenBad> doing upgrade to breezy now
[08:52] <TokenBad> wish me luck
[08:52] <aftertaf> good lluck :)
[08:52] <aftertaf> TokenBad:  disable backports (if enabled... no need for them now)
[08:52] <TokenBad> now you tell me
[08:52] <aftertaf> and remove electric sheep deb package first.... or it WILL get upset at some point ;)
[08:53] <logikal> yeah, you aftertaf
[08:53] <aftertaf> logikal:  hehe i speak no italian at all, is why :)
[08:53] <kairu0> yo
[08:53] <logikal> haha
[08:53] <logikal> you from usa?
[08:53] <aftertaf> nope. brit :)
[08:53] <aftertaf> UK UK UK :D
[08:53] <logikal> what you doing in france?
      living     </life>
[08:54] <aftertaf> ended up here, happy for now..... :)
 LOL </humor>
 durrhrh </retards>
[08:54] <aftertaf> :)   i get at much as i give on here.....
[08:54] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[08:54] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[08:54] <aftertaf> brb
[08:55] <logikal> ubotu forget ciggarette
[08:55] <ubotu> logikal: i didn't have anything called 'ciggarette' to forget
[08:55] <logikal> the hell you didnt
[08:55] <kkathman> Im back, sorry I had to try something to see if it solved a small issue I had
[08:58] <TokenBad> wow the update to breezy is downloading slow
[08:59] <aftertaf> TokenBad:  maybe lots of ppl on it right now :)
[08:59] <aftertaf> kkathman:  and did it? :)
[09:00] <cyne> where's a good place to store my superkaramba themes?
[09:00] <aftertaf>  /usr/src/stuff ?
[09:01] <cyne> how about /usr/lib/themes/superkaramba
[09:01] <cyne> ?
[09:05] <aftertaf> if you want...... i dont know if there is a place
[09:07] <CaiN_SA> erk
[09:07] <kkathman> aftertaf: yep
[09:07] <CaiN_SA> what package contains spawn ?
[09:08] <kkathman> aftertaf:  but Im trying to do something very simple, but I cant seem to get a handle
[09:09] <kkathman> aftertaf: I have a folder on my main linux box, that I want to access, but dont want ANYONE else to access.  Now I have a smbcredentials file, and all, but right now anyone can type \\linuxbox and get to any dir
[09:09] <kkathman> I know this must be very simple to do
[09:09] <kkathman> but Im probably making it harder
[09:10] <TokenBad> so far so good
[09:10] <TokenBad> but its still downloading
[09:10] <TokenBad> 54% downloaded
[09:10] <kkathman> TokenBad: just alot of traffic on that server I imagine
[09:11] <TokenBad> its downloading in kb speed
[09:11] <TokenBad> instead of KB speed
[09:11] <TokenBad> bah
[09:11] <TokenBad> heheh
[09:17] <TokenBad> 79% downloaded
[09:24] <TokenBad> Fetched 639MB in 32m21s
[09:25] <TokenBad> so guess good speed
[09:27] <kairu0> thats not bad
[09:27] <kairu0> it takes me at least an hour
[09:28] <TokenBad> well I am used to alot better speeds
[09:29] <aftertaf> hehe
[09:29] <aftertaf> patience... all good things ;)
[09:29] <TokenBad> used to 3 gigs in 1 hour
[09:29] <TokenBad> heheh
[09:30] <aftertaf> nice:)
[09:30] <aftertaf> t1?
[09:31] <TokenBad> no
[09:31] <TokenBad> cable
[09:31] <TokenBad> 8mbit
[09:32] <aftertaf> yeah... i get 600 kb/s at home on dsl :)
[09:32] <TokenBad> I get more than i am supposed to
[09:32] <TokenBad> started after a tech came out
[09:32] <aftertaf> hehe
[09:32] <TokenBad> but I am not complaining
[09:33] <TokenBad> I can get up to almost 2000 KB/s
[09:34] <m0ns00n> morning
[09:35] <aftertaf> :)
[09:40] <kairu0> BOOP!
[09:42] <pussfeller> how to upgrade to breezy, cant find it on the site
[09:43] <kairu0> its the same process as with ubuntu
[09:43] <aftertaf> !breezy
[09:43] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[09:44] <TokenBad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes?highlight=%28breezy%29%7C%28upgrade%29
[09:44] <TokenBad> oops
[09:46] <pussfeller> thanks
[10:04] <Tonio-> hi
[10:05] <Tonio-> little question concerning konqueror....
[10:05] <Tonio-> I tried to rip a cd the we, that I just bought
[10:06] <Tonio-> by copy-pasting the virtual ogg folder.
[10:06] <TokenBad> are there any live cd linux versions for low end pc's
[10:06] <Chousuke> DeadCD perhaps
[10:06] <Tonio-> is there a way to configure konqueror to go over the 1x speed limit ?
[10:09] <pussfeller> like a live-cd cli version?
[10:09] <pussfeller> that would be kinda cool
[10:09] <pussfeller> what do you mean 1X limit?
[10:10] <pussfeller> are you burning cds in konqy? I didnt know you could
[10:10] <Chousuke> http://www.deadcd.org/
[10:11] <pussfeller> hey does breezy fix flaky kio_imap craziness?
[10:13] <ubuntu_> how do you make a partiton with linux and windows
[10:14] <helpme> anyone tried using klik??
[10:17] <kairu0> llik?
[10:19] <pussfeller> it sounds like a cross distro software installer
[10:20] <helpme> yup it is
[10:22] <cyne> when i try and rebuild my collection in amarok it doesn't work
[10:22] <cyne> 1.3
[10:22] <cyne> it just does the build, but shows the build button again when complete
[10:24] <Tonio-> pussfeller: by 1x limit, I'm meaning that using konqueror to rip an audio in MP3 or OGG cd takes about 2 hours.....
[10:24] <pussfeller> yeah, thats too long
[10:24] <Tonio-> it reads to 1X instead of 40 as it could.....
[10:25] <pussfeller> i didnt even know konq could do that so
[10:25] <pussfeller> i use k3b
[10:25] <Tonio-> in fact if you put a cd and go in media:/
[10:25] <Tonio-> you will se virtual folders
[10:25] <pussfeller> but since nautilus can do it konqy has to learn too
[10:25] <pussfeller> what it autorips the cd?
[10:26] <Tonio-> copy pasting those folders to rip..... it is implemented for a long time, but I can't rip at a speed over 1x....
[10:26] <Tonio-> don't know if this is a konqueror limit or a local problem
[10:26] <Tonio-> yes it autorips
[10:27] <Tonio-> when you open the cd within konqueror, you get several folders...
[10:27] <Tonio-> let me show you a screenshot$
[10:27] <Tonio-> pussfeller: http://www.virtualsky.net/daves/2005-08.htm
[10:28] <Tonio-> here it is..... problem is just the speded for me :)
[10:28] <Tonio-> s/speded/speed
[10:30] <pussfeller> oh ripping not cd burning
[10:30] <pussfeller> perhaps dma is not enabled
[10:31] <pussfeller> hoary misses my dvd and i always have to turn it on manually
[10:31] <pussfeller> and i remember cause the dvd is really choppy and slow
[10:33] <nikkia> DAE speed can be limited in the drive's firmware, lots of (mostly older) drives limit to 1x for DAE
[10:39] <Tonio-> pussfeller: dma........... let me check, that indeed possible on that machine
[10:39] <nikkia> Tonio-: i personally doubt its DMA, even non-DMA the drive should be capable of DAE above 1x, assuming it supports DAE at speeds above 1x
[10:40] <Tonio-> nikkia: I agree.... It is much faster using kaudiocreator for exemple
[10:40] <Tonio-> about 10 times faster... but dma isn't activated on that machine, I'm gonna do it ;)
[10:40] <nikkia> Tonio-: oh, so its not *always* 1x, just 1x with konqueror ?
[10:41] <Tonio-> nikkia: absolutly ;)
[10:41] <Tonio-> but I'm sure there is a way to change this
[10:41] <nikkia> the simple answer is, use kaudiocreator, it gets tags right more often than the kio slave anyway :)
[10:41] <Tonio-> I can't imagine konqueror offers a complete ripping solution, with freedb, errors correction, and limited to 1x
[10:41] <aftertaf> have you filed a boog report?
[10:42] <Tonio-> nikkia: konqueror gets tags....
[10:42] <nikkia> Tonio-: it doesn't always get them right tho
[10:42] <nikkia> Tonio-: it doesn't prompt the user if there is more than one freedb entry, it just uses the first
[10:42] <Tonio-> aftertaf: justed wante to have a confirmation it wasn't due to my machine before posting a bug
[10:42] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:42] <Tonio-> nikkia: that's right indeed...
[10:42] <aftertaf> fair nuff
[10:43] <nikkia> Tonio-: don't get me wrong, i think the kio slave is a great idea, and a absolutely fantastic start, but it needs a tad more work before it can compete with a well setup kaudiocreator, IMO
[10:45] <Tonio-> nikkia: certainly ;) anyway I don't like the configuration possibilities of kaudiocreator.....
[10:45] <aftertaf> when i change anything on sound system page, then apply (in kcontrol), it hangs badly and freezes X. I have to alt+F1 and killall the kded processes, which reinits X.
[10:46] <Tonio-> reading a 10 pages man to setup the MP3 quality is something that bothers me, really
[10:46] <nikkia> Tonio-: *shrug* i like the flexibility of kaudiocreator, i can make it rip to *any* format that has an encoder
[10:47] <Tonio-> yep but options should be "frontened" and not manually added to the command line....
[10:47] <Tonio-> at list for MP3 and OGG I think....
[10:47] <Tonio-> nikkia: I'm ready to read a big manpage to install a xen virtualized server, but to rip an MP3, well, that should be fully automitised today...
[10:48] <nikkia> Tonio-: i don't see any solution to the problem without gutting kaudiocreator's functionality, tbh
[10:48] <Tonio-> nikkia: ^^
[10:49] <Tonio-> ho another question on that point
[10:49] <Tonio-> why the hell isn't ubuntu able to detect the dma activabiliy during the installation and configure it automatically ?????
[10:49] <nikkia> Tonio-: either you know the lame command parameters, or you don't, any attempt to simplify them GUI-style, would result in a kaudiocreator that would have to ditch, or at least sideline, its ability to handle other formats
[10:49] <Tonio-> it is incredible it has to be done manually....
[10:50] <Tonio-> nikkia: I don't agree, it could be possible to let the command line field and put buttons on the bottom that automatically add the right options...
[10:51] <nikkia> Tonio-: that would be sidelining the other formats, you'd have to make kaudiocreator specifically tailored towards running lame
[10:51] <Tonio-> yes it would have to be done for each encoder, but wouldn't limit other encoders availability....
[10:52] <Tonio-> just something "more" and not "instead of"
[11:02] <_nathan> hey all
[11:02] <_nathan> :)
[11:02] <aftertaf> hey :)
[11:04] <_nathan> kubuntu rocks :)
[11:08] <Hobbsee> kubuntu does
[11:16] <rumo> hi
[11:16] <aftertaf> indeed it does rock
[11:16] <aftertaf> :)
[11:16] <rumo> i incidently disabled the menu bar in the kopete chat-window. how do i get it back?
[11:17] <aftertaf> :/ ?
[11:17] <Hobbsee> the menu bar?  or the ones with all the icons on it?
[11:18] <rumo> no, the one with file-etc.
[11:18] <Hobbsee> how on earth did you manage to do that lol!
[11:18] <Hobbsee> ah!
[11:18] <Hobbsee> control+m
[11:18] <rumo> there was an option there
[11:18] <rumo> ok, thanks :o)
[11:18] <Hobbsee> yep, just had a look and found it :)
[11:19] <rumo> its back!
[11:19] <rumo> thank you
[11:19] <Hobbsee> no problems
[11:24] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: nice call, i like it!
[11:24] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:24] <Hobbsee> :P
[11:24] <aftertaf> must admit, kde PWNS gnome like a badass!!!!!
[11:24] <Hobbsee> definetly!
[11:25] <aftertaf> i hate gnome,  really do...... it sux so much
[11:25] <Hobbsee> all the configs are so much easier in kcontrol
[11:25] <aftertaf> does all sorts of crap and ends up making you lose your mind.
[11:25] <Hobbsee> oh yes...i cant stand it, particularly as there are 2 menus that really ought to be in the same one, although then there would be too many items
[11:25] <Hobbsee> lol, ah, so that's why there are so many people askign for help there - they've all lost their minds
[11:25] <Hobbsee> whereas not so many people are here cos all their stuff is working
[11:26] <Hobbsee> *nods wisely* ::
[11:26] <Hobbsee> *:P
[11:26] <aftertaf> hehehehehe
[11:26] <aftertaf> 100% agree
[11:27] <Hobbsee> what on earth has this guy done to his sources list???  to not have either ubuntu or kubuntu
[11:27] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: ?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> the one we are helping out
[11:28] <Hobbsee> it got a little crowded over there
[11:28] <labkom> crowded
[11:29] <_labkom> edian
[11:29] <_labkom> everybody going crazy
[11:29] <aftertaf> no idea Hobbsee :)
[11:30] <CaiN_SA> erm wtf
[11:30] <Hobbsee> mmm...most curious
[11:30] <CaiN_SA> i got kde 3.4.3 on
[11:30] <CaiN_SA> but there isnt such a thing :/
[11:31] <aftertaf> kde 3.4
[11:31] <aftertaf> with minor revisions.....
[11:31] <aftertaf> i like 3.5 beta..... loking sweet
[11:31] <Hobbsee> ah right...so there was another one hey?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> it does, and there was another update to it yesterday :)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> well, an update to it
[11:32] <m0ns00n> What's up when I can't kill an app?
[11:32] <m0ns00n> killall -9 proftpd results in nothing
[11:32] <Hobbsee> tried xkill?
[11:32] <m0ns00n> kill -9 PIDNR results in nothin g
[11:33] <m0ns00n> xkill? for a console app?
[11:33] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:33] <m0ns00n> it's run by /etc/init.d/proftpd
[11:33] <Hobbsee> killall nameofapp?
[11:33] <m0ns00n> I did that
[11:33] <Hobbsee> hmm
[11:33] <m0ns00n> So the breezy upgrade is halted
[11:34] <m0ns00n> It just hangs on "Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/proftpd .."
[11:34] <Hobbsee> ah...ouch...you're trying to upgrade to breezy and it crashes?
[11:34] <m0ns00n> proftpd
[11:34] <Hobbsee> aftertaf, any idea?
[11:34] <m0ns00n> It's happened before
[11:34] <m0ns00n> with proftpd
[11:35] <aftertaf> can you remove proftpd for now? and reinstall once upgraded?
[11:35] <m0ns00n> No, cuz profptd refuses to stop
[11:35] <m0ns00n> I can't kill it
[11:36] <m0ns00n> ctrl+c continued my upgrade
[11:37] <m0ns00n> is this a bug in the linux kernel, that some apps can't be killed?
[11:38] <Hobbsee> anything can happen in a dist upgrade...
[11:38] <m0ns00n> can't remove proftpd, can't do anything to it, it's stuck
[11:38] <m0ns00n> if I reboot now I dunno what will happen
[11:38] <Hobbsee> try ctrl + c again?
[11:38] <m0ns00n> I did
[11:38] <aftertaf> does a killall work?
[11:38] <aftertaf> erf
[11:38] <m0ns00n> no
[11:39] <aftertaf> update-rc.d -f proftpd remove, then reboot?
[11:39] <aftertaf> or init 1
[11:41] <m0ns00n> 6916 pts/2    00:00:00 proftpd.postins
[11:41] <m0ns00n> that one is blocking
[11:41] <aftertaf> edit it then........
[11:41] <aftertaf> i had to do that for another pkg
[11:41] <aftertaf> remove the cmd that makes it crash on removal.
[11:42] <m0ns00n> rm can't be removed either
[11:42] <m0ns00n> rm is running somehow
[11:42] <m0ns00n> logger
[11:42] <m0ns00n> mysqld
[11:42] <m0ns00n> apache
[11:44] <aftertaf> i meant, edit the /var/......proftpd.postins stript and comment out the line that causes the error.
[11:44] <m0ns00n> No go
[11:44] <m0ns00n> there is no error
[11:45] <m0ns00n> proftp just won't stop
[11:45] <m0ns00n> That's the problem
[11:45] <m0ns00n> I can't kill it
[11:45] <m0ns00n> gonna log out and see if it helps
[11:47] <case^> how do I restart my network card?
[11:47] <aftertaf> /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:47] <case^> it isn't picking up an IP, also where do I type IFconfig?
[11:47] <aftertaf> or sudo ifdown eth0, then sudo ifup eth0
[11:48] <aftertaf> ifconfig, in a shell.
[11:48] <case^> thank you
[11:49] <case^> I have the file in front of me /init.d/networking but double clicking does nothing
[11:50] <case^> how does .sh work?
[11:50] <aftertaf> dbl click wont do anything.
[11:50] <aftertaf> sh is a shell script...
[11:50] <aftertaf> you run it by typing sh script.sh
[11:50] <aftertaf> type /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:53] <case^> thanks but it still fails
[11:54] <case^> tbh nothing works
[11:54] <case^> and KDE is purple
[11:54] <case^> 1 reboot and everything broke
[11:54] <aftertaf> did you do anything you didnt understand?
[11:54] <aftertaf> before rebooting?
[11:55] <case^> apart from everything?
[11:55] <aftertaf> lol
[11:55] <aftertaf> ok
[11:55] <aftertaf> :) i understand your confusion
[11:55] <aftertaf> can you remember any changes you did
[11:55] <case^> the system whent it to suspended mode and wouldn't come out
[11:55] <case^> power got ripped
[11:56] <case^> when normally you would click and everything comes back
[11:56] <case^> this just sat there
[11:56] <case^> I spent 3 hours installing opera and that was it
[11:56] <case^> all I did
[11:57] <Hobbsee> 3 hours installing opera?  you must have done something else in that time...
[11:57] <aftertaf> ok.
[11:57] <case^> nope
[11:57] <aftertaf> yeah, wait.... probably
[11:57] <aftertaf> ;)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[11:57] <case^> looking at a ter=minal line that I would dir and it would show me a folder
[11:57] <case^> but cd /thatfolder didn't work
[11:57] <case^> fun!
[11:57] <Hobbsee> no /
[11:57] <Hobbsee> it'd just be cd foldername
[11:58] <case^> that didn't work either
[11:58] <Hobbsee> case sensitive
[11:58] <case^> trust me I had time to figure it out
[11:58] <Hobbsee> lol...cos i just tried it, and it's cd foldername which is case sensitive
[12:00] <case^> good for you!
[12:01] <Hobbsee> yeah, i know it's not much help, sorry
[12:01] <case^> I would say ssh into and play but the damn network card is being shunned
[12:04] <Hobbsee> lol...i wouldnt know how to ssh anyway
[12:05] <case^> just use puTTY
[12:06] <case^> I would reinstall but I haven't changed anything
[12:06] <case^> so I doubt that would help
[12:07] <case^> I swear this is some masochistict (sp?) shit why would anything be so hard to use
[12:11] <case^> it's nice to have install guides - but once it's installed there are no guides
[12:11] <case^> wtf use is this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkConfiguration?highlight=%28network%29
[12:11] <case^> I want to fix my card
[12:12] <case^> not read about how the packages might get changed
[12:14] <case^> whats a distro thats less of a pain?
[12:14] <case^> I thought that this was the easiest
[12:14] <asraniel> is there a multiverse repository for kubuntu 5.10 ?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> asraniel: yes
[12:16] <Hobbsee> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse
[12:16] <asraniel> Hobbsee: nice, and where can i find it? i couldnt find it in the wiki
[12:16] <Hobbsee> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse
[12:17] <asraniel> ah thank you :-)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> had to get it off my sources list
[12:17] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> case^: you could try something like mepis if you wanted to
[12:19] <Hobbsee> see if that would detect your hardware any better
[12:19] <case^> It detected all my hardware fine
[12:19] <case^> I use a 10 year old 3com card for that reason
[12:19] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:19] <case^> I tried linux 4 years ago
[12:20] <case^> and it's still the same
[12:20] <case^> unless you actually have a friend who is willing to help you out for a month you're screwed
[12:20] <case^> nice to know nothing changes but the numbers
[12:31] <asraniel> i have a problem.. my USB doesent work. where could i search for error messages?
[12:33] <Hobbsee> maybe in kinfocenter, usb devices tab?
[12:33] <Hobbsee> there's probably a better way that i dont know about though
[12:35] <aftertaf> asraniel:  check lsmod output.
[12:36] <aftertaf> see if usbcore is loaded
[12:36] <aftertaf> lsmod | grep usb
[12:36] <aftertaf> if not, try modprobe usbcore
[12:37] <ben1984> Can anyone help me?
[12:37] <aftertaf> case^:  i partially agree.... but then again, wask youself why you want to use linux....
[12:37] <aftertaf> ask your qU.
[12:41] <asraniel> aftertaf: i get this output: usbcore               104188  3 ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd. but as a example when i plug in my ipod, nothing happens
[12:42] <Ben1984> How do I find a Dell Printer Driver for Linux?
[12:42] <aftertaf> asraniel:  ok. but you have usb.
[12:42] <aftertaf> you have an Ipod detection problem.
[12:42] <aftertaf> are youon hoary or breezy?
[12:43] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  with CUPS, there are already a load of drivers, have you searched and tried to install it that way?
[12:44] <Ben1984> Hold on....I found the Add a Printer wizard....
[12:45] <Ben1984> I don't see my model listed
[12:45] <Ben1984> I heard that some lexmark drivers are close to Dell drivers?
[12:45] <Ben1984> i have an AIO
[12:45] <Tonio-> Ben1984: in fact dell printers are simply packages lexmark ones ;)
[12:46] <Tonio-> and most of the time you can use a lexmark driver for a dell printer.
[12:46] <Ben1984> I know...
[12:46] <Ben1984> which one should i use?
[12:46] <Tonio-> what is your printer ?
[12:46] <Ben1984> Dell All-In-One 940
[12:47] <Tonio-> the problem is to know what is the equivalent lexmark model ;)
[12:47] <torz> mmm can someone teach me how to use chroot please.
[12:47] <Ben1984> I'll go googling :)
[12:47] <Tonio-> torz: with pbuilder or simply chroot ?
[12:47] <torz> simply chroot I think
[12:48] <aftertaf> i know it is with debootstrap
[12:48] <aftertaf> sometimes
[12:48] <torz> all I want is a small contained environment for my website files.
[12:48] <torz> so I can say /images/blah.jpg
[12:48] <torz> and etc
[12:48] <Tonio-> in fact I nerver used a chroot outside of a pbuilder environnment, so I may be able to help you ;)
[12:48] <Tonio-> +not.... ;)
[12:48] <torz> gutted!
[12:49] <torz> but thats what chroot for is right?
[12:49] <torz> to make a small mini environment
[12:49] <Tonio-> chroot is to create a dedicated and autonomn secure environnment
[12:49] <Tonio-> ideal for compiling applications in a clean and minimalistic environnment for exemple
[12:49] <torz> oh secure?
[12:50] <Tonio-> to to execute 32bits applications on a linux64 based distro
[12:50] <torz> I see
[12:50] <Tonio-> well "secure" is a consequence, not the main purpose...
[12:51] <Tonio-> you might searchon ubuntu wiki concerning pbuilder, everything is explained on howto install the chroot.
[12:51] <Ben1984> How the heck do i get in root
[12:51] <torz> sudo?
[12:51] <Tonio-> the only thing that is not explained is how to make usage of it outside of a pbuilder usage
[12:52] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  rot is disabled, but if you NEED to reenable it you can.
[12:52] <torz> Ben1984: like any other distro, "su" but in Kubuntu we use sudo :)
[12:52] <aftertaf> !rootsudo
[12:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:53] <Ben1984> so sudo what
[12:53] <Ben1984> i want to log into the GUI as root
[12:53] <torz> sudo command
[12:53] <aftertaf> into the gui? what for?
[12:54] <aftertaf> you mean cli?
[12:54] <aftertaf> or to run an X app from a virtual terminal?
[12:54] <aftertaf> kdesud command
[12:54] <Ben1984> i tried to install one of the printer drivers and it gave me a permissions error
[12:54] <aftertaf> kdesud kcontrol?
[12:55] <aftertaf> then try again... ?
[12:55] <Tonio-> aftertaf: kdesu kcontrol
[12:55] <aftertaf> could work.
[12:55] <Tonio-> forgot the last "d"
[12:55] <aftertaf> erf!
[12:55] <Ben1984> it says either the driver doesnt exist or you dont have the necessary permissions
[12:55] <aftertaf> sorry bout that
[12:55] <Tonio-> and if you want to get a root shell (meaning permanent), you can try "sudo -s"
[12:56] <Tonio-> Ben1984: I searched without success.....
[12:57] <Ben1984> i got it
[12:57] <Ben1984> at th ebottom of the print manager window...it said run as admni
[12:57] <Ben1984> admin
[12:59] <chx|zzzZZZZZZzzz> Riddell: ping
[12:59] <Ben1984> ugh...same message
[12:59] <Ben1984> i give up
[12:59] <Ben1984> Gosh why is Linux so damn difficult
[12:59] <Ben1984> when everyone says its easy
[01:00] <chx> Ben1984: well... it's simpler than, say Windows at least :P
[01:00] <torz> Ben1984: Linux is only free if your time has no value.
[01:01] <Ben1984> Actually Windows is much simpler than this
[01:01] <asraniel> aftertaf: because of my usb problem. i have breezy, the latest Kubuntu RC with the latest updates
[01:01] <Ben1984> doesn't mean it's more secure
[01:01] <Ben1984> but it is simpler
[01:01] <torz> Ben1984: agreed, hence my above comment.
[01:01] <Ben1984> and why is this showing my IP address
[01:01] <Ben1984> sheesh
[01:01] <Ben1984> lmao
[01:02] <phoenixbyrd> welcome to irc :P
[01:02] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  it is piss simple....... when you know what you are doning.
[01:03] <aftertaf> you have to unlearn a lot of things first though, windows habits.....
[01:03] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  read this .....: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[01:03] <Ben1984> i dunno
[01:03] <Ben1984> i dont like this command line thing
[01:03] <Ben1984> just to install everything
[01:03] <phoenixbyrd> yea, like piss simple installation of software. here if u can't find a .deb or .rpm, u gotta compile, and dependancies are sweet too :(
[01:03] <aftertaf> uboti, linuxnotwindows is http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[01:03] <Ben1984> why cant they make it automated
[01:03] <aftertaf> ubotu, linuxnotwindows is http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[01:03] <ubotu> okay, aftertaf
[01:04] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  seruiusoly. read that link.....
[01:04] <Ben1984> why?
[01:05] <Ben1984> i have already read so much
[01:05] <Ben1984> how do you think i got this far :P
[01:05] <nikkia> Ben1984: windows is hideously complicated too, you know, just most people 'already know it' so they assume there is no learning curve
[01:05] <Ben1984> hence why i am trying to get my printer to work so i can print out tips and such
[01:05] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  its a damn good read
[01:05] <aftertaf> lol
[01:05] <aftertaf> :))))))))
[01:05] <nikkia> Ben1984: but take the 'not quite so common stuff' like how to enable IP6 on a LAN, and 99% of people will have just as much trouble doing it in windows as linux
[01:05] <phoenixbyrd> my 4 yr old uses windows... can't be that complicated lol
[01:05] <Ben1984> Windows is not this complicated
[01:06] <Ben1984> exactly
[01:06] <aftertaf> phoenixbyrd:  my 9 yr old uses linux.
[01:06] <Ben1984> my 7 yr old brother can use windows like no other
[01:06] <aftertaf> linux is not a replacement for windows
[01:06] <Ben1984> I want to put him on this and see how he does
[01:06] <aftertaf> dont compare what cant be compared.
[01:06] <phoenixbyrd> I won't let him touch my linux os cuz even I break it... just had to reinstall, now I gotta set everything back up again :(
[01:06] <aftertaf> its not because you have a mouse that moves the pointy thing that it should be the same and look the same, and act the same.
[01:07] <Ben1984> well it's trying!
[01:07] <aftertaf> please, guys.... read that link.
[01:07] <Ben1984> i see a taskbar
[01:07] <Ben1984> a clock
[01:07] <phoenixbyrd> it wouldn't hurt linux tho if ppl made real installers for linux apps
[01:07] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  its trying, in order to make the transition easier for windows users to come over to linux.
[01:07] <Ben1984> max and min buttons....
[01:07] <torz> phoenixbyrd: heh, apt-get install *whatever* is easy enough for me :~)
[01:08] <Ben1984> i'm with phoenix....thats really my only ordeal is installing appz
[01:08] <aftertaf> phoenixbyrd:  Ben1984 .......... i ageed with you so much before, but i was wrong, and you are too..... seriously.
[01:08] <torz> honestly any schmuck can use apt/yum/yast and etc
[01:08] <aftertaf> apt-get install is not hard.
[01:08] <phoenixbyrd> yea, IF you have all the dependencies and the right repo's set up and etc etc etc
[01:08] <aftertaf> and......?
[01:08] <aftertaf> sorry, im gonna have to flod just a little.....
[01:08] <Ben1984> where can i get this apt-get install
[01:08] <eclub02> #suse
[01:08] <torz> you already do
[01:08] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  its there already.
[01:08] <aftertaf> !linuxnotwindows
[01:08] <ubotu> linuxnotwindows is, like, http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[01:09] <Ben1984> i'll have a read
[01:09] <torz> honestly, package manager is where its at for 90% of things.
[01:09] <torz> for movie players and etc, fuck it.
[01:09] <Ben1984> why is there a Lindows then?
[01:09] <Ben1984> yeah the Package Manager is great
[01:09] <nikkia> phoenixbyrd: yeah, because installers are utterly perfect in windows - lets ignore for a minute the fact that close to 40% of the installshield installers out there still use the old 16bit installer, *that does not work on win xp64*
[01:10] <aftertaf> Linux <=> Windows is like Motorbikes <=> Cars: Both are vehicles that get you from A to B via the roads. But they're different shapes, different sizes, have different safety mechanisms, different controls, and they work in fundamentally different ways.
[01:10] <Ben1984> most people dont have the 64 bit edition either
[01:10] <phoenixbyrd> I don't use xp64 and prolly never will so it doesn't affect me and installshield has always worked fine for me
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ben1984: your trolling....
[01:10] <aftertaf> In the same way, well-meaning Linux newcomers make suggestions about making Linux more like what they're used to. And they get nowhere, for all the same reasons. Linux and Windows might both be used for the same purposes, but so are a car & motorbike. That doesn't mean you can swap directly from one to the other, and it doesn't mean features can or should be swapped directly from one to the other.
[01:10] <aftertaf> This simple fact can cause great difficulty for the more established Windows users. They come to Linux with many Windows habits ingrained and an attitude of "I know exactly how to use a computer, thank you very much." The problem is, they don't. They only know how to use Windows. When they come to a different OS, these "power users" can be the ones who have the worst problems: They have far more to unlearn.
[01:11] <Ben1984> I am just trying to get help
[01:11] <Ben1984> you guys are explaining stuff liek i should already know it
[01:11] <aftertaf> we arent here to see why linux isnt like windows, and why it should be.......
[01:11] <Ben1984> dont get me started on the forums....a simple question to you may be a hard one for me
[01:12] <Ben1984> those people bite your head off...
[01:12] <aftertaf> Where a newbie will just say "I don't know" and start asking on forums, the Windows power user will say "I know how to do this, I just do this, this, this, and then. . . It doesn't work!  And then they'll say "If knowledgeable me couldn't get it working, a newbie will stand no chance! Linux is nowhere near ready for desktop use!". They don't realise that all their knowledge is working against them, causing them to have more problems than th
[01:12] <aftertaf> e less knowledgeable users. They've made the mistake of thinking Linux is different software doing the same thing as Windows, when it's actually different software doing different things. It's not doing a bad job of the same tasks, it's doing a good job of alternative tasks.
[01:12] <aftertaf> Linux is an alternative to Windows, but not a replacement. It will never be a replacement, because it has incompatible goals.
[01:12] <Ben1984> it's like....couldnt you ignore the question instead of belittling me
[01:12] <torz> they're fags
[01:12] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  we know that a simple question for us is harder for a newcomer.... thats why we want to help and try to help.
[01:12] <phoenixbyrd> u gotta admit tho aftertaf, most linux user's treat noobs to linux like they SHOULD kno all this already. Most don't know what and apt-get is and sum even take offense when u tell them fsck
[01:13] <aftertaf> ive only been on ubuntu 2 months
[01:13] <Ben1984> i've only been for 4 days
[01:13] <aftertaf> welcome to ubuntu, in that case :)
[01:13] <phoenixbyrd> bout 3 for me, but I've used mandrake before
[01:13] <Ben1984> i learn quickly
[01:14] <aftertaf> some things are hard to do, i understand...... and sympathise.... i have most of your difficulties and things to unlearn Im MCSE 2003 ffs :)
[01:14] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, somehow kubuntu has done magic
[01:14] <CaiN_SA> i swear
[01:14] <Ben1984> oops
[01:14] <CaiN_SA> i have kde 3.4.3 installed
[01:14] <CaiN_SA> but i looked on kde.org and there is no kde 3.4.3 :(
[01:14] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  hehe :)
[01:14] <aftertaf> its 3.4
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:15] <CaiN_SA> there is 3.4.2 on kde site
[01:15] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  hehe watch that X buttin ;)
[01:15] <Ben1984> yeah funny...lol
[01:15] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  ok, did you find anything about your printer?
[01:15] <aftertaf> its a dell AIO what?
[01:15] <Ben1984> eh, no...i'll keep looking
[01:15] <Ben1984> 940
[01:16] <Ben1984> it'd be great if i could print the linuxNotWindows!
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> lool
[01:16] <Ben1984> rebooting gets to be iresome
[01:16] <Ben1984> tiresome
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> why are yo urebooting? :|
[01:16] <torz> yeah why reboot?
[01:17] <eclub02> hi friend...
[01:17] <eclub02> can you help me?
[01:17] <Ben1984> to get into windows so i can print help files
[01:17] <Ben1984> and then come back to kubuntu and execute
[01:18] <Ben1984> sometimes needing further help
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ben1984:  :( suxors.
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> eclub02: not if we dont know whats wrong
[01:18] <phoenixbyrd> has anyone looked at SkyOS yet?
[01:18] <aftertaf> yeah, it does get on the nerves. i was like that for a while with internet connection via linux... :/
[01:18] <Ben1984> I hope Google hurries and makes an OS
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:19] <aftertaf> lol 2
[01:19] <Ben1984> omg...i am surprised everything 'worked' whe i first installed this
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was thinking about GoogleOSBeta before ;)
[01:19] <Ben1984> i had horror stories with Slackware
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> it would own everythig :D
[01:19] <aftertaf> you are anew user coming to linux. slackware is not for you.
[01:19] <aftertaf> (or me!!!!!!!!!)
[01:19] <Ben1984> yeah i learned that very quickly
[01:19] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  lool totally
[01:20] <Ben1984> how do i emote people?
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[01:21] <Ben1984> the whole Ben1984: :( suxors.
[01:22] <eclub02> can do you help me about suse?
[01:22] <aftertaf> emote?
[01:22] <Ben1984> well talk to someone specifically
[01:22] <aftertaf> eclub02:  we dont do suse here... ive never even seen it b4
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> no eclub02, i dont use it... your also in #kubuntu, so bad place to ask
[01:23] <aftertaf> ehe ok.
[01:23] <Ben1984> you guys arent that slow of what i was trying to ask
[01:23] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  depends on your irc client.
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ben1984: depends on your client
[01:23] <aftertaf>  /msg nick message
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol aftertaf, you keep beating me :P
[01:23] <aftertaf> or rightclick nick and open dialog window
[01:23] <Ben1984> i am using Konversation
[01:23] <aftertaf> hehe Kamping_Kaiser :
[01:23] <aftertaf> )
[01:24] <Ben1984> I stumbled upon it on accident
[01:24] <aftertaf> rightclick a name and see..... :)
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:24] <eclub02> i have aproblem whit suse9.3, it often hank, why?
[01:24] <phoenixbyrd> I can't find mplayer or realplayer in my repo's anymore after I reinstalled :(
[01:24] <aftertaf> phoenixbyrd:  enable multi/universe
[01:24] <aftertaf> !repos
[01:24] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[01:25] <aftertaf> phoenixbyrd:  ^^^^^ see link.
[01:25] <aftertaf> eclub02:  download kubuntu 5.10 CD and have more fun :)
[01:26] <eclub02> hi friends, i want to ask, why my linux suse9.3 often hank?
[01:26] <eclub02> my computer spesification:
[01:26] <eclub02> P4 1.6 G
[01:26] <eclub02> mem 128 ==> swap =300
[01:26] <eclub02> standart for other
[01:26] <eclub02>
[01:26] <eclub02> i just run editor vi on konsole, no run hard aplication like open office or other aplikasi. wheather is there some file / driver module that not support or what?
[01:26] <eclub02> can you give me solution?
[01:26] <eclub02> before, i'm sorry about my grammer my INDONESIAN, thank's a lot
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> eclub02: we cant help you, as we dont use suse
[01:26] <eclub02> Kamping_Kaiser : sorry about it Mr, i'm so sorry
[01:27] <aftertaf> get kubuntu and you'll not regret it, seriously :)
[01:27] <Ben1984> ?
[01:27] <aftertaf> lol Ben1984 :))))
[01:27] <Ben1984> hehe
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> eclub02: :) thats ok
[01:27] <Ben1984> and i thought i was having trouble
[01:27] <aftertaf> eclub02:  dont worry.... but nobody uses suse here, you're not in the right place, unless you want to try another linux version. A lot of indonesians are in #ubuntu....
[01:28] <Ben1984> sweet!@ Thunderbird is in the PM
[01:28] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  googld around for the drivers thing and no joy..:/     is there a generic pcl5 or postscript driver you can use?
[01:29] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  it said you didnt have the driver, or permissiondenied, that right?
[01:29] <Ben1984> yeah
[01:30] <Ben1984> well
[01:30] <Ben1984> i tried others near the driver i wanted but it didnt work when i hit test
[01:30] <Ben1984> in the ports list it detects it....
[01:30] <Ben1984> USB:Dell AIO
[01:31] <gsuveg> re
[01:31] <gsuveg> how works the katapult ?
[01:31] <aftertaf> its a usb printer... OK.
[01:31] <gsuveg> sry but i dont find any doc :(
[01:31] <aftertaf> works well, and yours?
[01:31] <phoenixbyrd> gsuveg:  press alt+space
[01:31] <gsuveg> and ?
[01:31] <phoenixbyrd> then type in an app name, like xchat
[01:31] <phoenixbyrd> or whatever u wanna open
[01:31] <gsuveg> wow
[01:31] <gsuveg> tahnks
[01:32] <phoenixbyrd> np
[01:32] <aftertaf> it will show a splash screen...... at which point you start typing your command.
[01:32] <Ben1984> i want this ksmooth thing but im not sure how to install it
[01:32] <aftertaf> hehe you see phoenixbyrd you help ppl too ;)
[01:32] <aftertaf> what is it?
[01:32] <aftertaf> ksmooth i mean.
[01:32] <gsuveg> phoenixbyrd: insane ;)
[01:32] <phoenixbyrd> lol
[01:32] <phoenixbyrd> I use it alot now
[01:32] <gsuveg> how do you start ?
[01:33] <gsuveg> put destkop into Autostart ?
[01:33] <aftertaf> hehe except for running konqueror ...
[01:33] <Ben1984> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=6585
[01:33] <eclub02> hi friend, i wont to know, where i get ubuntu paket install for dependensies?
[01:35] <aftertaf> eclub02:  ubuntu packets are in the repositories, used by apt-get.....    you want to try installing one on slackware?
[01:35] <eclub02> i not on line
[01:36] <eclub02> my conputer alone on home
[01:36] <eclub02> so where i find it?
[01:36] <aftertaf> you cant use  debian packages on slackware though.....
[01:36] <aftertaf> i dont think so anyway.
[01:36] <aftertaf> http://archive.ubuntu.com
[01:37] <eclub02> ok, thank's aftertaf
[01:38] <aftertaf> get a kubuntu CD and try it. :)
[01:39] <eclub02> i have try it, before
[01:39] <Ben1984> cool....got my mail setup
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb ubotu
[01:41] <aftertaf> !good bot
[01:41] <ubotu> thanks aftertaf :)
[01:41] <aftertaf> hehe Ben1984 god for you :)
[01:41] <aftertaf> each step is a small victory. :)
[01:41] <aftertaf> and other such banalities that i can chuck areound :D
[01:42] <Ben1984> :)
[01:43] <aftertaf> !botsnack
[01:43] <ubotu> thanks aftertaf :)
[01:43] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[01:43] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[01:43] <Ben1984> ok...on my desktop...the name icons flow to the second line
[01:43] <Ben1984> how do i make the font smaller
[01:43] <aftertaf> ben: control cetner, appearances....
[01:43] <Hobbsee> !beer
[01:43] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Hobbsee
[01:44] <Hobbsee> it doesnt know what beer is, yet does know what a cigarette is?  shame on you !ubotu
[01:44] <Ben1984> ok i did it...but that didnt make the names appear on one line
[01:44] <Hobbsee> make the name shorter?
[01:45] <Ben1984> Well duh....but there's no way for it not to cut it off?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> oh, i thought there was a rename there somewhere
[01:45] <Hobbsee> let me go look
[01:45] <aftertaf> ubotu, beer is Stop! Have a beer........  it's $1 's round too....  Mine's a John Smith's
[01:45] <ubotu> okay, aftertaf
[01:45] <aftertaf> !beer Hobbsee
[01:45] <ubotu> aftertaf: I don't know
[01:45] <aftertaf> crud
[01:46] <Hobbsee> !beer
[01:46] <ubotu> it has been said that beer is Stop! Have a beer........  it's $1 's round too....  Mine's a John Smith's
[01:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:46] <Ben1984> Stop!
[01:46] <Hobbsee> coke?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> !coke
[01:46] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I don't know
[01:46] <aftertaf> ubotu, no beer is Stop! Have a beer......  Mine's a John Smith's
[01:46] <ubotu> okay, aftertaf
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. ubotus not going right :D
[01:46] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:46] <aftertaf> !beer
[01:46] <ubotu> beer is, like, Stop! Have a beer......  Mine's a John Smith's
[01:47] <Ben1984> "Your system is up to date."
[01:47] <Ben1984> yay!
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Ben1984: this is a desktop shortcut?  hit f2 to rename it
[01:47] <Hobbsee> ;D
[01:47] <Ben1984> well i know how to rename it
[01:48] <Ben1984> i already renamed Mozilla Thunderbird Mail Client to just Thunderbird
[01:48] <Ben1984> but it still flows to second line
[01:48] <Hobbsee> ah, i see what you mean now
[01:48] <Ben1984> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[01:49] <Ben1984> anywho....so i tried to install an app with ./configure...it started going but then gave me this error message: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[01:49] <Ben1984> yeah Hobb...doesnt it look tacky?
[01:49] <Ben1984> :o)
[01:50] <Hobbsee> lol true
[01:50] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised it doesnt by default
[01:50] <cyne> how do i make a window 'always on top' ?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> i never have any desktop icons anyway, they're all in kicker or gotten by katapult
[01:51] <Ben1984> whats kicker?
[01:51] <Ben1984> i am trying to install this ksmooth app
[01:51] <Hobbsee> cyne: right click on window in kicker, advanced, keep above others
[01:51] <aftertaf> kicker is the panel, and the start menu etc...
[01:52] <Hobbsee> kicker is the bluish thing (or grey) at the bottom of your screen, with the kmenu and the time on it, as well as whatever else you've put on there
[01:52] <Hobbsee> !kicker
[01:52] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Are you smoking crack?
[01:52] <aftertaf> !info kicker
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm...maybe lol
[01:52] <ubotu> kicker: (KDE Desktop Panel), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu18 (hoary), Packaged size: 1652 kB, Installed size: 4880 kB
[01:52] <aftertaf> heheheheheheheh :)
[01:52] <Ben1984> oh
[01:52] <Ben1984> yeah
[01:52] <Ben1984> the kicker
[01:52] <Ben1984> lol
[01:52] <Hobbsee> ah, i didnt know that you could use info
[01:52] <nikkia> Hobbsee: there's no blueish, or greyish, thing at the bottom of MY screen! :P
[01:53] <aftertaf> nikkia:  yeah but you are a hardcore us3r
[01:53] <aftertaf> lol
[01:53] <Hobbsee> ditto nikkia
[01:53] <Hobbsee> yeah, cos you moved it or changed it
[01:53] <Ben1984> sometimes my clock doesnt display right
[01:53] <Ben1984> it switched to UTC all by itself
[01:54] <Hobbsee> oy, smug one, what's the clock solution?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee
[01:56] <Hobbsee> hi Kamping_Kaiser :D
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:56] <cyne>  Hobbsee i'm trying to get my superkaramba windows to stay on top with zero success :(
[01:56] <inc|freaky> does any1 know  a good ftp client for linux/kde with GUI and tls/ssl support?
[01:56] <cyne> inc|freaky: gftp
[01:56] <inc|freaky> cyne: thx
[01:57] <Hobbsee> cyne: never used superkamba, but is there a configuration option for it or something?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> right click somewhere on it and it might work, like other windows do
[01:57] <cyne> Hobbsee: yeah one would hope so
[01:57] <cyne> but i don't see it after hunting
[01:58] <cyne> each 'theme' opens as a subset of the superkaramba window, which itself stays 'on top' when selected, the subwindows not doing so
[01:58] <Ben1984> how do you get to the task manager?
[01:58] <cyne> ksysguard
[01:58] <Ben1984> or whatever it's called in Kubuntu
[01:58] <cyne> ksysguard
[01:58] <Ben1984> ?
[01:59] <cyne> that's what it's called
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl. show about spike
[01:59] <asraniel> Ben1984: CTRL+ESC
[02:00] <Hobbsee> cyne: i've got no idea, but can i see a screenshot of what you've done with the superkaramba?  i'm curious now
[02:00] <Hobbsee> !info rss-glx
[02:00] <ubotu> rss-glx: (Really Slick Screensavers GLX Port), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.7.5-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 4692 kB, Installed size: 5296 kB
[02:00] <Hobbsee> *nods* nice screensaver that, and the info command must work for all the packages
[02:01] <Ben1984> i wonder if th ehelios screensaver works
[02:01] <Ben1984> Helios
[02:01] <Ben1984> how do i mount my ntfs drives?
[02:02] <Ben1984> if i cant get too root?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> you can tget to root, or you dont have the root password?
[02:02] <Ben1984> i have the password
[02:02] <Ben1984> someone said it's disabled
[02:02] <Hobbsee> ah, that's the root account
[02:03] <Hobbsee> you can still use sudo though
[02:03] <Hobbsee> !sudo
[02:03] <ubotu> from memory, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:03] <Ben1984> !root
[02:03] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:03] <Hobbsee> indeed helious screensaver works, it doesnt look as pretty as solarwinds, imho
[02:03] <Ben1984> and then what?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> to mount the drives?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> oh yes, i was going to get that info lol
[02:04] <Ben1984> i want to mount 3 partitions
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Assuming that /dev/hda1 is the location of the Windows partition (FAT) and the local mount folder is: /media/windows
[02:04] <Hobbsee> which ones do you want to mount
[02:04] <Hobbsee> hmmm...that didnt work
[02:05] <Hobbsee> http://ubuntu-doc.ath.cx/gnome/faqi386/C/ch05.html
[02:05] <Hobbsee> that looks better
[02:05] <Ben1984> how do i see which is which
[02:05] <Hobbsee> partitions?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> the first step in that guide
[02:06] <Ben1984> nevermind
[02:06] <Ben1984> i'll read
[02:06] <Hobbsee> scroll down to the part where it says mount at bootup
[02:06] <Ben1984> thanks
[02:06] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:06] <Hobbsee> no probs
[02:06] <Hobbsee> !breezy
[02:06] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[02:06] <Hobbsee> !releasedate
[02:06] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Are you smoking crack?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> why dont we have the breezy release date in the bot?
[02:09] <Ben1984> hmm
[02:09] <Ben1984> i'm lost
[02:10] <Ben1984> i dont want to mount the windows partition
[02:10] <Hobbsee> right, what are you wanting to mount?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> as in, what file systems are the partitions?
[02:10] <Ben1984> i have a partition on this disk with just data
[02:10] <Ben1984> ntfs
[02:10] <Hobbsee> right, yep
[02:10] <Hobbsee> what are the other 2
[02:10] <Ben1984> i have 2 internal hardrives and one external
[02:10] <Ben1984> all ntfs
[02:10] <Ben1984> 580 GB total
[02:11] <Hobbsee> sudo fdisk -l and paste the results in the pastebin
[02:11] <Ben1984> LOL..
[02:11] <Ben1984> thans an L isnt it?
[02:11] <Ben1984> thats*
[02:12] <Ben1984> i was typing the number 1...grrr
[02:12] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's an l
[02:12] <Hobbsee> *L
[02:13] <Ben1984> pastebin?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[02:13] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:13] <Hobbsee> probably use the kubuntu pastebin, in the topic
[02:14] <Hobbsee> seeing as i've already got some stuff there about fstabs and mounting partitions
[02:15] <aftertaf> though you might be better copying over and reformatting fat32 cos you cant modify or write to ntfs
[02:15] <Ben1984> no way am i going to reformat
[02:16] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:16] <Ben1984> hmmm
[02:16] <Ben1984> maybe if i create fat32 partitions little by little
[02:16] <Ben1984> and transfer....until its all fat32
[02:16] <aftertaf> windows has a limit on fat32
[02:16] <Ben1984> then combine them all
[02:16] <aftertaf> but not linux. thats how i have a 45gig fat partiton :)
[02:17] <Ben1984> im not messing with my c drive
[02:17] <aftertaf> not the c drive though...
[02:17] <Ben1984> ok this is what i have....
[02:17] <aftertaf> try qtparted and reduce the size.
[02:19] <Ben1984> HD1: C: (Win), I: 500 MB     HD2: D: (Data), Linux   HD3: External (Data)
[02:19] <Ben1984> basically i just need D:
[02:19] <Ben1984> mounted
[02:19] <Ben1984> it's hdb1
[02:19] <Hobbsee> you can mount all 4 partitions you know, if they arent already
[02:21] <Ben1984> how come my gedit doesnt work?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> you're using kde, and gedit is a gnome app?
[02:22] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:22] <Hobbsee> ie probably not insatlled
[02:22] <aftertaf> kate
[02:22] <Ben1984> oh
[02:22] <Hobbsee> no, kwrite
[02:22] <Ben1984> kedit?
[02:22] <Ben1984> lmao
[02:22] <Hobbsee> kate never likes opening things as root
[02:22] <Hobbsee> that too, if you prefer
[02:22] <Hobbsee> and gives errors a lot of the time trying to open the silly thing
[02:23] <Ben1984> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[02:23] <Ben1984> LMAO!
[02:23] <aftertaf> lol
[02:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, like i said
[02:23] <Ben1984> lol
[02:23] <Ben1984> thats funny
[02:23] <Hobbsee> that it is
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:24] <Ben1984> does my cd-roms even work?
[02:24] <Ben1984> i havent tried them
[02:24] <Hobbsee> should do
[02:24] <Ben1984> : /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto
[02:24] <Ben1984> whats noauto?
[02:25] <Ben1984> i am in fstab
[02:26] <Hobbsee> no autoplay?
[02:26] <Ben1984> oh
[02:26] <Hobbsee> not sure
[02:26] <Ben1984> i am getting these commands! :o)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:26] <Hobbsee> which commands?
[02:26] <Ben1984> they are starting to mak esense
[02:26] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[02:26] <Hobbsee> yes, they eventually do
[02:26] <Ben1984> make and cd...and such
[02:27] <Ben1984> reminds me of DOS
[02:27] <Hobbsee> except for long and complicated things such as lsmod
[02:27] <aftertaf> cli rules
[02:27] <Hobbsee> *nods* i never did like learning bits of dos, but they have been useful
[02:27] <Hobbsee> so does shutting down someone elses computer remotely
[02:27] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:28] <Ben1984> cp means copy?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:28] <Ben1984> cool
[02:28] <Hobbsee> and rm means remove
[02:28] <Hobbsee> mv means move
[02:28] <Ben1984> so i am making a back up of the fsatb file
[02:29] <Ben1984> fstab*
[02:29] <Ben1984> :o)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ah yes, always useful
[02:32] <Ben1984> whats this unmask=0222 mean?
[02:34] <Ben1984> can you make scripts? for the cli?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> got no idea
[02:34] <Hobbsee> and i would think so
[02:34] <Hobbsee> dont ask me how, i dont know
[02:34] <Ben1984> lol
[02:34] <Hobbsee> ;P
[02:34] <Ben1984> ok i am going to reboot...see if this works...i'll be back
[02:34] <Ben1984> (hopefully)...lol
[02:35] <Hobbsee> lol k
[02:38] <Phantom^^> hey can someone help me configure apt to work with my universities proxy ?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> probably someone can if you give more detail...
[02:39] <Phantom^^> nvm i think i have worked it out
[02:39] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:39] <aftertaf> Phantom^^:  you are behnd a proxy?
[02:39] <aftertaf> create apt.conf and add ther acquire http proxy line ;)
[02:39] <aftertaf> hi thoreauputic
[02:39] <Ben1984> haha kate popped up after i restarted...lol
[02:39] <Ben1984> funny
[02:39] <Ben1984> now how do i see if this worked
[02:40] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: hi
[02:40] <aftertaf> and about the roses, thoreauputic ....... simple as hell, but worked a treat. Wanted to say thx man ;)
[02:40] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: heheh - well keep it going :)
[02:41] <Ben1984> sweet :P
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Ben1984: yeah, it does, precisely when you dont need it
[02:41] <Ben1984> how do i keep the folder view the same??
[02:41] <Hobbsee> go to the folder where you told the drive to mount?
[02:42] <Ben1984> I like Listed
[02:42] <Ben1984> i see it
[02:42] <Ben1984> it worked...
[02:42] <Hobbsee> then it worked :)
[02:42] <Ben1984> what play's mp3's?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> most of the multimedia apps
[02:44] <Hobbsee> amarok does, along with the rest
[02:46] <Ben1984> it didnt
[02:46] <Hobbsee> got w32codecs?
[02:47] <Ben1984> where would i find those?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> !w32codecs
[02:48] <ubotu> I heard w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy)
[02:49] <Ben1984> i think i have breezy
[02:49] <Hobbsee> do you have a pretty splash screen while it boots, or rolling black text?
[02:50] <aftertaf> vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:50] <aftertaf> lol Hobbsee
[02:50] <Hobbsee> or that lol
[02:50] <Hobbsee> i suppose that istn a great question, as some point dont get the splash screen
[02:50] <aftertaf> replace hoary* with breezy* on every line
[02:50] <Hobbsee> i've never minded the rolling black text
[02:50] <aftertaf> me neithr. looks pro :)
[02:51] <Ben1984> i have a splash
[02:51] <Hobbsee> far better than that other OS with blue bars that just go zooming over the screen, and more zooming, and more zooming, without end
[02:51] <Hobbsee> then you have breezy :P
[02:51] <Ben1984> 5.10 Breezy Badger
[02:51] <hussam> anybody knows why is kde 3.4.3 in breezy missing kdebase 3.4.3?
[02:51] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  hehe
[02:51] <Ben1984> :)
[02:52] <Ben1984> how do i find out what KDE i have
[02:52] <Ben1984> lol
[02:52] <aftertaf> me too...
[02:53] <Hobbsee> help, about kde
[02:53] <Hobbsee> from any of the kde apps
[02:53] <Ben1984> nevermind
[02:53] <Ben1984> 3.4.3
[02:53] <Hobbsee> what changed between 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 - anything interesting, that we're missing out on?
[02:54] <hussam> Riddell: Hi, is kdebase 3.4.3 intentionally left out of breezy?
[02:54] <Ben1984> lol
[02:54] <Ben1984> like i would know
[02:54] <Hobbsee> good point
[02:55] <Ben1984> oh yeah i have a question
[02:55] <Ben1984> on the boot loader
[02:55] <Ben1984> i guess my kernel upgraded...now i have 2 linux spots?
[02:55] <Ben1984> how do i get it back to just one
[02:55] <Riddell> hussam: working on it now
[02:56] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  you dont really need to. leave the 386 one for emergencies,
[02:56] <Hobbsee> comment out the older kernel if you really want to
[02:56] <Ben1984> they are both 386
[02:56] <hussam> Riddell: Thank you. Can't wait. 3 more days to go for Breezy final.
[02:57] <aftertaf> Riddell:  another point..... we still have the kttsd file dependencies when upgrading, leading to a broken pipe and dpkg -i --force-overwrite
[02:57] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  whats your machine proc?
[02:57] <Ben1984> P4
[02:58] <aftertaf> ok. get the linux-686 package installed.
[02:58] <aftertaf> whats your gfx card?
[02:58] <Ben1984> ATI Radeon 9200
[02:58] <Ben1984> i dunno if thats even working
[02:58] <Ben1984> lol
[02:58] <aftertaf> the -386 kernel is a general 'works on all' kernel which lets you run linux on any machine.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> wow!
[02:59] <Hobbsee> most people who answered this thread on ubuntuforums.org are from europe, and not the US
[02:59] <Hobbsee> that's a change from usual!
[02:59] <Ben1984> i have a P4 2.0GHz on this computer
[03:01] <Ben1984> Gawd, i wish my folder view would stay the same!!!
[03:01] <hussam> Will KDE 4 still run a 1.0 Ghz Pentium 3 with 384MB ram +( Nvidia geforce 5200 128MB ) or will I need a new PC for that?
[03:02] <Riddell> hussam: Qt 4 is faster than qt 3
[03:02] <Riddell> aftertaf: arg, where's that?
[03:02] <aftertaf> with kdebase -vs- kttsd
[03:02] <hussam> Riddell: Wow, that's excellent.
[03:03] <aftertaf> "it broke my pipe, but it got better"
[03:04] <Hobbsee> ROFL!
[03:04] <aftertaf> hehehe
[03:04] <Hobbsee> i can just imagine you saying that, monty python style
[03:04] <Riddell> aftertaf: do you have the exact error?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> ahem
[03:05] <aftertaf> Riddell:  it was on my pc last night at home....
[03:05] <Riddell> aftertaf: this is 3.4 or 3.5?
[03:05] <aftertaf> but it is to do with the png files for kttsd   (3.5)
[03:05] <vieirar> Hi when I start Konsole the directory path is not my ~/ directory. I am not sure how this changed, how can I set it back to ~/
[03:06] <Riddell> ah, 3.5 I don't care about today I'm afraid
[03:06] <aftertaf> doing both work pcs now, ill see if same happens
[03:06] <asraniel> 10.10.2005 12:41:10	localhost	kernel	[4299087.567000]  usb 1-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[03:06] <asraniel> when i want to compile a app, i get this error in ./configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[03:06] <Riddell> today is 3.4.3 care day
[03:06] <aftertaf> lol Riddell :)   i understand why ;)
[03:06] <asraniel> *ups, that wasent supposed to end here.. well, if someone knows the error, tell me :-)
[03:07] <aftertaf> asraniel:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:10] <Ben1984> hmmm
[03:10] <Ben1984> none of th emedia players work
[03:10] <Ben1984> great!
[03:11] <asraniel> aftertaf: nice, works great :-) i like kubuntu...
[03:11] <Ben1984> Missing GStreamer-registry!  I SO know that feeling :)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> lol yeah
[03:13] <Ben1984> :sigh:
[03:14] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins - those the ones you needed?
[03:15] <Ben1984> Package gstreamer0.8-plugins is not available, but is referred to by another pac                 kage.
[03:15] <Ben1984> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:15] <Ben1984> is only available from another source
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ugh, that's moved too, or is it in multiverse?
[03:15] <Ben1984> hmm it beats me
[03:16] <aftertaf> !info gstreamer0.8plugins
[03:16] <bobuse> Hi there ! How install kubuntu with a floppy drive and net access ?
[03:16] <aftertaf> !info gstreamer0.8-plugins
[03:16] <ubotu> gstreamer0.8-plugins: (All GStreamer plugins), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 56 kB
[03:16] <Ben1984> should i just install all the g-streamer apps in the package manager
[03:17] <aftertaf> universe
[03:17] <Ben1984> universe?
[03:17] <Ben1984> We come in peace?
[03:18] <aftertaf> choose the plugins one, its a metapackage
[03:19] <aftertaf> lol
[03:19] <Ben1984> ?
[03:19] <Ben1984> none have 'plugins' behind them
[03:19] <Ben1984> what's xchat
[03:19] <Ben1984> omg they have GAIM in th elist
[03:19] <Ben1984> w00t!
[03:19] <aftertaf> irc client
[03:19] <aftertaf> w00t!!!
[03:19] <Ben1984> way better than this kopete crap
[03:19] <aftertaf> ben, do you have universe enabled?
[03:20] <aftertaf> matter of opinion...
[03:20] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:20] <Hobbsee> definetly a matter of opinion
[03:20] <aftertaf> kopete in 3.5 will do everything except make coffee (need version 4 for that)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> LOL: it hasnt figured out how to integrate with the fridge to bring me a can of coke either
[03:21] <Ben1984> universe?
[03:21] <Ben1984> how do i enable it
[03:21] <Ben1984> LOL
[03:21] <aftertaf> damn open source :)
[03:21] <aftertaf> !repos
[03:21] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[03:21] <aftertaf> ^^^  Ben1984
[03:22] <aftertaf> basically, add universe and multiverse to the end of each sources line in breezy.
[03:22] <aftertaf> wiki!!!!
[03:22] <Hobbsee> wiki?  what about it?
[03:23] <dipnlik> hi all. installed skype from the official site, but had to use -f. now apt gives me this error every time: skype: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:<IP_ADDRESS>) but 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 is to be installed. (or something like that) now i can't install anything. any ideas?
[03:23] <aftertaf> my sources.list:
[03:23] <aftertaf> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[03:23] <aftertaf> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-updates main restricted  universe multiverse
[03:23] <aftertaf> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-security main restricted  universe multiverse
[03:23] <aftertaf> deb http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 breezy main
[03:24] <aftertaf> 4 lines, short and sweet.
[03:24] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[03:24] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[03:24] <aftertaf> for real this time
[03:24] <aftertaf> brb
[03:24] <phoenixbyrd> !sex
[03:24] <ubotu> phoenixbyrd: I don't know
[03:24] <phoenixbyrd> :O
[03:25] <Hobbsee> lol...funny, i didnt think the bot would know that one
[03:25] <Ben1984> i'm lost
[03:25] <Ben1984> lol
[03:25] <aftertaf> phoenixbyrd:  try again ;)
[03:25] <phoenixbyrd> !sex
[03:25] <ubotu> hmm... sex is OK, but not with you, phoenixbyrd
[03:25] <phoenixbyrd> :O :O
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:25] <aftertaf> rofl
[03:25] <hussam> !botabuse
[03:25] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[03:25] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  use nano to edit the sources.list file
[03:25] <aftertaf> Ben1984:  or synaptic to edit them directly.
[03:25] <phoenixbyrd> pfft, I ain't "playing" with you now!
[03:26] <Ben1984> where is synaptic??
[03:26] <Ben1984> i have a'kynaptic'
[03:26] <aftertaf> sudo apt-get synaptic
[03:26] <phoenixbyrd> same thing
[03:26] <aftertaf> its not strictly kde (ie not at all) but adept has a bug for editing the repositories
[03:26] <aftertaf> brb really......
[03:27] <mornfall> aftertaf: what bug?
[03:27] <Ben1984> E: Invalid operation synaptic
[03:27] <Ben1984> can i do it with adept
[03:28] <hussam> Ben1984: that's sudo apt-get install synaptic ( you missed "install" )
[03:28] <Hobbsee> you can edit it with kwrite if you prefer...
 sudo apt-get synaptic