[03:44] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Ping!
[03:45] <LaserJock> sbalneav: pong, real quick
[03:45] <sbalneav> Se my mail?
[03:45] <sbalneav> See, even?
[03:45] <LaserJock> yep
[03:45] <LaserJock> I gotta run, inlaws are here
[03:46] <sbalneav> okay, have fun!
[05:04] <sbalneav> Back in a minute, switching to downstairs box.
[05:08] <sbalneav> Back
[05:25] <mohamed_> hi, i installed  eudbuntu and want to add some software to use it as medacenter, i need to upgrade ltsp  server like the main system i mean two systems must be like each others, or i only need to work with main system not on ltsp  ?
[05:29] <sbalneav> mohamed_: Sorry, not sure I understand.  Do you have a couple of workstations, or a couple of thin clients?
[05:30] <mohamed_> i have one server and more clients ...
[05:30] <mohamed_> on the server i need to install freevo,vdr ...etc
[05:31] <mohamed_> my question is that i make this only once ...
[05:31] <mohamed_> or i need to chroot for ltsp and install it agaain ?
[05:32] <mohamed_> to be able to see   it on the client side
[05:34] <mohamed_> i'm sorry for my english lang, if the question is not clear i can write another way :)
[05:34] <sbalneav> No, if you install it on the server, the thin clients should see it.
[05:35] <mohamed_> then i don't need  for  chroot and working with ltsp ?
[05:37] <sbalneav> You shouldn't need to, no.
[05:38] <mohamed_> thx sbalneav
[06:08] <LaserJock> sbalneav: still up
[06:08] <LaserJock> ?
[06:09] <sbalneav> You know it.
[06:09] <sbalneav> No rest for the wicked.
[06:09] <sbalneav> The new yelp's pretty zoooomy
[06:12] <LaserJock> yeah?
[06:12] <LaserJock> that's cool
[06:14] <sbalneav> Are we going to get the handbook back on the main page again, rather than forcing the users to go to "Other documentation?"
[06:14] <LaserJock> I've got to talk to mdke about that
[06:14] <LaserJock> the whole Ubuntu frontpage got wiped out
[06:15] <sbalneav> So, what did you think of my email? :)
[06:21] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you know, we could build that package for feisty too :-)
[06:21] <sbalneav> Which, the docs?
[06:21] <LaserJock> so people don't have to be using gutsy to test the documentation
[06:21] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:22] <sbalneav> Sure, other than the fact that lots have changed since feisty, so if they install my package, then how to they revert back to the OLD doco later?
[06:22] <LaserJock> remove the repo
[06:22] <LaserJock> plus, who reads the docs? ;-)
[06:23] <sbalneav> heh
[06:23] <LaserJock> it's easy to do a feisty one
[06:23] <LaserJock> you just need to change the changelog
[06:23] <sbalneav> right
[06:24] <sbalneav> sure, I can do that tomorrow.
[06:24] <LaserJock> I was just thinkin'
[06:24] <sbalneav> It's a good idear
[06:24] <LaserJock> cause a lot of Edubuntu people don't want to upgrade to gutsy just to test docs
[06:25] <sbalneav> It'll be interesting to see if anyone responds with some content.
[06:26] <LaserJock> yeah, I need to blog it
[06:30] <sbalneav> Hmmm, ollie says viewing processes doesn't work under tcm, but I can't get it to fail.
[12:44] <vova> vvvvvvvvvvv
[12:44] <vova> fak
[12:55] <humbolto> How are the edubuntu FAT CLIENTS plans evolving? Was there anything implemented yet? What about edubuntu LDAP server for example?
[01:25] <ogra> humbolto, the ubuntu server team is implementing it, the client side will be in gutsy ... server in gutsy+1
[01:26] <ogra> since fat clients 100% rely on a working network auth mechanism we wont have fat clients before that
[01:44] <ogra> RichEd, i'll be out early today (my mom's b-day), is there anything urget i'm missing that needs to be done today ?
[01:44] <RichEd> nope ... seems fine & quiet
[01:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121547 in ltsp "[Gutsy]  LTSP chroot building process hangs at 50% on Tribe1 CD" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121547
[01:44] <RichEd> tell your mom I say happy happy
[01:45] <ogra> willdo :)
[01:45] <RichEd> cool re bug :)
[01:45] <ogra> yeah
[01:45] <cliebow> awhat was hanging?
[01:45] <RichEd> does she also live in kassel ? or will you travel to her
[01:45] <ogra> took me two days of work to get that prototype going
[01:45] <ogra> cliebow, the UI
[01:45] <cliebow> ahh
[01:45] <ogra> my parents live in hannover (150km)
[01:46] <ogra> i havent seen them since a year (i'm such a bad son :P)
[01:57] <highvoltage> ogra: don't feel that bad. my mother lives 1.5km from me, and there was a period last year where I was so busy I didn't see her for 3 months
[01:57] <humbolto> ogra: anyhow, having fat clients in gutsy+1 is still cool!
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> gutsy+1=LTS oder?
[01:58] <humbolto> Kamping_Kaiser: yes
[01:59] <humbolto> ogra: Since the auth client will already be in gutsy (LDAP I guess), when one sets up the server side himself, do LTPS fat clients already work?
[02:00] <ogra> with manual fiddling, yes
[02:00] <humbolto> ogra: which does not happen to be documented anywhere.
[02:00] <ogra> you need to install ubuntu-desktop and the ldap client in the chroot and make some tweaks so it doesnt run as thin client
[02:01] <ogra> there was a guy at ubuntulive i still need to contact him, but he wanted to do some testing and write up a howto
[02:01] <humbolto> ogra: will the fat client mount the servers root and an extra etc or how will this be done?
[02:01] <ogra> so we'll have the easiest procedure ready for gutsy+1
[02:01] <humbolto> ogra: great
[02:02] <ogra> it will work like a thin client, mount its readonly root visa nbd from the server and merge that in a readwrite unionfs ...
[02:02] <humbolto> ogra: I like how you guys think!
[02:03] <humbolto> via ndb? why not via nfs? because of the readwrite overlay?
[02:03] <ogra> what we need to do is to suppress the unwanted config changes we need for thin clients
[02:03] <ogra> we dont use nfs anymore since gutsy
[02:03] <ogra> nbd/unionfs is three times as fast
[02:03] <humbolto> ogra: What is the reason for that?
[02:04] <ogra> speed mainly
[02:04] <ogra> and size ...
[02:04] <humbolto> ogra: You use nbd for the thin client side as well?
[02:04] <ogra> even though that has to do with the fact that we mount nbd swap from initramfs if needed now :)
[02:05] <ogra> yes, you need to use it on both sides
[02:05] <humbolto> And the transition to that when you upgrade from edgy or feisty is smooth?
[02:05] <humbolto> Or some manual fiddling needed?
[02:06] <ogra> heh, i havent looked at the yet :)
[02:06] <humbolto> Is there a place to check what the status of all these things is currently and what your plans are? The launchpad stuff seems somewhat inaccurate.
[02:06] <ogra> but since our usual recommendation is anyway to rebuild your chroot on upgrades ...
[02:07] <ogra> i try to document on the wiki as i implement stuff
[02:07] <ogra> at least in a rough way
[02:07] <humbolto> ogra: Not as far as the chroot is concerned, but as far as dhcpd.conf and stuff are concerned.
[02:07] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
[02:07] <ogra> the server side will be fine
[02:08] <ogra> and i actually plan to have the client side upgradeable properly (we plan update,-manager integration for it at some point, thats a prerequisite)
[02:09] <humbolto> cool
[02:10] <humbolto> I always tried to follow LTSP specs and blueprints on launchpad to keep track with development. But this is kind of difficult, as they hardly reveal where you guys are in development. Do you guys have blogs or something else, which would give me a little more insight on where you are at currently.
[02:11] <humbolto> And which wiki docs you add, which you updated, what your new plans are?
[02:17] <ogra> well, monitor https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP i usually add them there
[02:18] <ogra> beyond that i updated all ltsp related specs last week befopre the edubuntu meeting :)
[02:18] <ogra> and usually give a report there as well
[02:19] <ogra> since will  is gone we dont have anyone doing the meeting minutes anymore though ... we should find someone again for that task and probably send summaries to the ML
[02:27] <humbolto> ogra: Found your blog. Like your report about Poland lots!
[02:27] <ogra> hehe
[02:27] <ogra> if i only had more time ... since poland i could have writte at least five more like that one :)
[02:28] <ogra> my travelling is always adventurous ;)
[02:29] <ogra> anyway, time to pack up for me .... back later in the evening ...
[02:30] <humbolto> CU
[03:11] <roe> are there any first hand accounts or an article about deploying edubuntu successfully?
[03:12] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:33] <moquist> sbalneav: morning
[03:37] <sbalneav> lol, tried joining, and xchat sigsev'd
[03:38] <sbalneav> hold on figuring out what I did wrong.
[03:48] <sbalneav> Where, oh where can that og-a-ra be?
[03:48] <sbalneav> Oh where oh where can be beeeeee?
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> sbalneav, hi
[03:48] <sbalneav> With his hair cut long and his sleeves cut short
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> edubuntugirl, other bots, members, and folks, evening
[03:48] <edubuntugirl> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not following you...
[03:48] <sbalneav> oh wheeeere oh wheeeerre can he beeeeeeee
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[03:48] <highvoltage> og-a-ra sounds like he's very similar to ogra
[03:49] <sbalneav> I'm here all month folks, don't forget to tip your waitress.
[03:49] <sbalneav> highvoltage: yeah, but I had to stretch it to 3 syllables :)
[03:56] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I was talking about the long hair and short sleeves part :)
[03:56] <sbalneav> yep.
[03:56] <sbalneav> ogra's long flowing mane and penchant for muscle shirts.
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> * og a ra
[03:57] <highvoltage> over here, we call them "help-my-sterk-lyk hempies" which translates to "make-me-look-strong shirties"
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> me+muscle shirts=not much muscle showing
[03:58] <sbalneav> In north america, they have the awful nickname of "Wife Beaters".
[03:59] <sbalneav> One supposes becase miscreants with the aformentioned penchant tend to wear those kinds of shirts.
[03:59] <highvoltage> *blink*
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*
[04:00] <sbalneav> Maybe it's just a Canadian nickname.
[04:01] <sbalneav> In my line of work, I unfortunately see have to deal with that class of person from time to time.
[04:01] <highvoltage> yes, very unfortunate. I pity the wifebeaters.
[04:02] <sbalneav> eeep :)
[04:02] <highvoltage> it's not easy doing that kind of work, but it's great that we have sbalneavses in this world
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> "The hedgehogs delemer" i like that one
[04:02] <highvoltage> (apologies for doing that to your nick, btw)
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[04:09] <kslawson> anyone seen david trask recently around these parts?
[04:10] <sbalneav> Not for a bit, no
[04:13] <kslawson> ok.  i knew he'd had some experience putting ubuntu on mlti ibooks
[04:15] <kslawson> i would try, now that we have an excess of them, but unfortunately i don't have any that use the old password which i knew, these are all imaged with the 2007 hs image.  and i don't have an SO-DIMM to reset the password
[04:15] <kslawson> which will make servicing and imaging these machines a pain.  i don't want to have to send them to the depot for reimaging every time
[04:30] <jsgotangco> highvoltage
[04:31] <kslawson> whoa, is that the 2007 hs fw pw?
[04:31] <kslawson> i've been trying to pry that from jeff mao for weeks
[04:32] <kslawson> not that i heard it from you, of course
[04:35] <kslawson> thank you.  no numbers in it?  just letters?
[04:48] <bddebian> Heya
[05:32] <roe> are there any first hand accounts or an article about deploying edubuntu successfully?
[05:50] <sbalneav> roe: Check out the edubuntu-users mailing list archives.
[05:50] <sbalneav> Some were posted there recently.
[05:52] <roe> sbalneav, thanx
[06:04] <mcsd> question, i have a few different models of Dell flatscreens and was having trouble displaying at 1280x1024.  I kept modifying the horizontal and vertical synch values and was able correct the problem...I provided a range rather than set values...is it possible to damage a monitor by exceeding its range?
[06:06] <sbalneav> LCD's?
[06:06] <mcsd> yes
[06:06] <sbalneav> No, nothing you can do to damage an lcd by over or under driving, I think.
[06:07] <mcsd> x.org makes no mention even with crts...or maybe I missed it
[06:07] <sbalneav> that was an issue with tubes, because if you overdrive the horizontal flyback transformer, it'll go into harmonics and make smoke.
[06:07] <sbalneav> lcd's are all digital, so worst case, you just get a "can't sync" message.
[06:15] <mcsd> thanks
[06:19] <Amaranth> of course i'm pretty sure any monitor made in the last 10 years of so just bails out and says "can't sync"
[06:33] <LaserJock> moquist: status report sir
[06:34] <LaserJock> sbalneav: get a feisty package built?
[06:35] <sbalneav> Not yet.  I'm actually doing some doco right now, so when I get some stuff ready for a commit, then I'll cut some pakages.
[06:35] <LaserJock> excellent
[06:35] <sbalneav> I had a fellow ask me if there were going to be pdf's created ahead of time, so people could read the handbook before upgrading.  That possible/easy?
[06:36] <LaserJock> you're committing to svn right?
[06:36] <sbalneav> But of course.
[06:36] <LaserJock> oh, yikes
[06:36] <LaserJock> PDFs can be rough
[06:36] <LaserJock> if it's in english I think it's possible
[06:36] <LaserJock> the non-latin fonts get really hard
[06:36] <sbalneav> I already told him "no", :) so don't sweat it.
[06:36] <LaserJock> nah
[06:36] <LaserJock> I think we *should*
[06:37] <LaserJock> but it might be after release that we get them done
[06:37] <LaserJock> well
[06:37] <LaserJock> we can see
[06:37] <LaserJock> after string freeze maybe we can do it
[06:37] <LaserJock> mdke has some stylesheets and stuff for it
[06:54] <sbalneav> Out for lunch
[07:18] <moquist> LaserJock: I think it's done but I have a bug.
[07:19] <moquist> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: Exec format error
[07:19] <moquist> LaserJock: I can't tell if it's the postinst, the preinst, or the config script.
[07:19] <moquist> LaserJock: The error makes me think preinst, of course, but that script is fine.
[07:19] <moquist> I replaced the contents of the file with 'exit 0' and I got the same error.
[07:20] <moquist> I'm running into the limits of my debugging abilities in this context.
[07:20] <moquist> LaserJock: I'll upload the source package.
[07:20] <moquist> ...just in case anybody else wants to look at it.
[07:24] <LaserJock> k
[07:26] <moquist> http://majen.net/misc/src-moodle-1.8.2.tgz
[07:27] <moquist> No, not that.
[07:28] <moquist> LaserJock: any advice, btw? WTH is "Exec format error"?
[07:29] <moquist> LaserJock: http://majen.net/misc/src-moodle-1.8.2.tgz <-- the right thing now
[07:36] <LaserJock> moquist: not exactly, did you already have moodle installed? i.e. doing an upgrade vs installing fresh
[07:36] <moquist> I haven't tested an upgrade yet.
[07:36] <moquist> i.e., all fresh.
[07:37] <LaserJock> so you remove moodle before trying it?
[07:37] <moquist> Being unsure of whether or not that would be sufficient, I've been repeatedly restoring a VM that has never seen moodle.
[07:37] <LaserJock> shesh
[07:38] <LaserJock> ok, well that's pretty thorough
[07:38] <moquist> Yeah...I'd like to learn more about the details of debconf so I can cut down on my testing cycle time. ;)
[07:38] <moquist> It's really building the source that takes the most time, though.
[07:39] <LaserJock> man this stuff is messy
[07:39] <moquist> which stuff?
[07:39] <LaserJock> I did the GNU hello app debian/rules in 2 lines ;-)
[07:39] <LaserJock> anything with DB stuff
[07:39] <LaserJock> the debconf, etc.
[07:40] <LaserJock> messy != bad
[07:40] <LaserJock> I'm just saying there's a lot to it
[07:40] <LaserJock> moquist: what you could to is run the maintainer scripts individually
[07:40] <LaserJock> to get more info maybe
[07:41] <LaserJock> but that error really points to preinst
[07:41] <LaserJock> ohh
[07:41] <moquist> how can I run them individually as they are? I've been ripping out the debconf stuff and running them like this: 'sh postinst', but that's obviously not testing the "real thing"
[07:41] <LaserJock> moquist:  hehe, #|! /bin/sh -e
[07:42] <moquist> OMW. Really??!?
[07:42] <moquist> UBFL.
[07:42] <LaserJock> moquist:  btw, do ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/moodle*
[07:42] <moquist> nuffink ist der.
[07:43] <moquist> ...sometimes. I'm sure something is there, sometimes.
[07:43] <LaserJock> you can modify the scripts there and rerun dpkg
[07:43] <LaserJock> because that's what actually gets executed
[07:43] <moquist> ohhhhh
[07:43] <moquist> 'rerun dpkg' how?
[07:43] <moquist> dpkg-reconfigure?
[07:43] <moquist> dpkg?
[07:43] <LaserJock> no
[07:44] <moquist> dpkg moodle?
[07:44] <moquist> apt-get install moodle?
[07:44] <LaserJock> rerun the dpkg -i moodle
[07:44] <moquist> ah.
[07:44] <LaserJock> the hard-core devs use that a lot
[07:44] <LaserJock> when the maintainer scripts get messed up
[07:44] <LaserJock> and dpkg is throwing a fit
[07:44] <LaserJock> they just mess around in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ until it runs
[07:44] <moquist> that's very good to know. I've wanted to know that but not known who/how to ask.
[07:45] <moquist> No - there's nothing in there for moodle.
[07:45] <LaserJock> I've only done it once or twice
[07:45] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:45] <moquist> ls: /var/lib/dpkg/info/moo*: No such file or directory
[07:46] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe it didn't make it that far
[07:46] <LaserJock> because preinst choked
[07:47] <moquist> Nah, that one didn't make it that far b/c I CTRL+Ced it. I didn't think about the fact that it hadn't unpackedyet.
[07:47] <LaserJock> ah
[07:47] <moquist> I've almost got src built again.
[07:47] <LaserJock> great, hopefully that was the only problem
[07:47] <LaserJock> easy fix
[07:48] <moquist> I *think* I've got everything we've discussed except the metapackage.
[07:49] <moquist> That's funny. Every once in a while I start typing shell commands when I don't realize my focus is wrong and I'm in vim, or something. I must've left a pipe in there and not noticed it. I guess.
[07:50] <moquist> I even diffed the new and old preinsts and didn't see that.
[07:51] <cbx33> LaserJock, this build queu seems never ending
[07:51] <cbx33> over 2 hours now
[07:51] <cbx33> think something is wrong?
[07:51] <cbx33> unless they fix it, it seems like it takes a long long time to build
[07:51] <LaserJock> cbx33: not neccesarily
[07:51] <LaserJock> I expect this is only the beginning
[07:51] <cbx33> probably
[07:51] <LaserJock> think of how many people are going to jump on PPA
[07:51] <cbx33> i want to try it out though :p
[07:52] <cbx33> yeh but it's only beta at the mo
[07:52] <LaserJock> OO.o takes 10+ hrs
[07:52] <LaserJock> imagine if somebody put that on
[07:52] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:52] <cbx33> yeh
[07:52] <cbx33> but looking at the build history
[07:52] <cbx33> most are like
[07:52] <cbx33> 3-4 minutes
[07:52] <LaserJock> they've only got 1 i386 and 1 amd64 machine it looks like
[07:52] <LaserJock> I expect once it's out of Beta they'll have to throw a lot of machines at it
[07:52] <cbx33> oh yeh
[07:53] <cbx33> definitely
[07:53] <LaserJock> I haven't uploaded anything to the new PPAs
[07:53] <LaserJock> but on dogfood is was pretty fast
[07:59] <moquist> LaserJock: looks good so far...
[07:59] <moquist> LaserJock: More testing is necessary, but \o/ \/ \o/ \/ \o/
[08:00] <moquist> LaserJock: I presume I'm supposed to redirect output from postinst commands, so we don't see stuff like "Not creating home directory '/nonexistent'"
[08:00] <moquist> and "CREATE ROLE/CREATE DATABASE"
[08:00] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure actually
[08:00] <LaserJock> you might see what other similar packages do
[08:01] <moquist> I saw exec 0<&1 in the old preinst; I guessed that's why it was there.
[08:03] <LaserJock> could be yeah
[08:03] <moquist> First of all, < is INPUT. Not output.
[08:05] <LaserJock> mhm
[08:06] <sbalneav> cbx33: Still on?
[08:07] <cbx33> sbalneav, ya
[08:07] <cbx33> i pm'd you
[08:07] <cbx33> ahh
[08:07] <sbalneav> Hmm
[08:07] <cbx33> i'm not registered
[08:07] <sbalneav> That would do it :)
[08:14] <bddebian> w00t
[08:15] <LaserJock> and I just got a 24 page *pre* instillation guide
[08:16] <bddebian> Step 1:  DO NOT LOOK DIRECTLY INTO THE LIGHT... :-)
[08:17] <LaserJock> heh
[08:17] <LaserJock> this is all before I even get the thing in the room
[08:29] <sbalneav> LaserJock: How many watts?
[08:29] <sbalneav> CO2? Ruby? Argon?
[08:29] <sbalneav> Cooling system?
[08:30] <sbalneav> C'mon, man, inquiring minds want to know!
[08:32] <cbx33> maming capabilities?
[08:33] <joebaker> Ubuntu Gutsy tribe 5... on my laptop  synaptics touch pad scrolling wheel emulation isn't
[08:33] <joebaker> working because SHMconfig might be disabled.  Any idea where I should file a
[08:33] <joebaker> bug report on launchpad?  Or a more appropriate IRC channel.
[08:35] <sbalneav> Hmm, did you install the synaptics driver?  I don't think it's enabled by default, is it?
[08:36] <joebaker> Wait...   I realized I munged the xorg.conf file and rebuilt it in an unusual way...
[08:37] <joebaker> Using  Xorg -Configure -Config
[08:37] <joebaker> There used to be a way to re-run the dpkg-reconfigure tool.  But the
[08:37] <joebaker> package changed from xserver-xorg
[08:38] <moquist> LaserJock: moodle package is in REVU
[08:38] <joebaker> To something else.  I'm using an intel chipset  85x  I think.
[08:39] <LaserJock> sbalneav: it'll put out 10W, Nd:Yag, air-cooled (which is little different)
[08:39] <sbalneav> 10 watts?  That should be able to burn holes in 2x4's!
[08:40] <sbalneav> coooool
[08:40] <LaserJock> ok, hang on a sec
[08:40] <moquist> sbalneav: no, haaaaaawt
[08:40] <LaserJock> it's a pulsed laser
[08:41] <moquist> LaserJock: I gotta take off and do the Real Job(TM). I don't know where to go from here except some more testing. I'm happy to work on the metapackage stuff if necessary, but somebody else could probably do it really fast. Also, it's not necessary for gutsy. *shrug*
[08:42] <LaserJock> moquist: ok
[08:42] <moquist> ogra may want it for gutsy, though. not sure.
[08:42] <LaserJock> sbalneav: it's a 10 ns wide pulse, so the pulse it'self is 100MWatts ;-)
[08:42] <joebaker> It was the "Screens and Graphics" tool under Gutsy tribe 5 that munged the xorg.conf file.
[08:42] <moquist> I'll take a look at it tonight or tomorrow, though.   I am looking for some help with LTSP.   Can I find that here?
[11:58] <kiteflyer07> I first checked with #ltsp, but it's silent.
[11:58] <kiteflyer07> I can PXE boot a client box, it detects the DHCP server and loads pxelinux.  I had to add nfsroot=/opt/ltsp/i386 to /var/lib/tftboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default, in order for it to find it and begin loading the display manager.  I get a login that looks similar to GDM (presumably LDM) but after I enter a username and password, the displays goes black, flashes, then comes back with the same login prompt.
[12:05] <kiteflyer07> ah, hm, ok, well, I get the impression that this is a permissions problem somewhere, but I can't track it down.  I've created an account in the chrooted environment and the /etc/passwd and /home/<username> perms are OK.
[12:05] <kiteflyer07> either that, or X is crashing when it's starts trying to load gnome.
[12:06] <kiteflyer07> do I run ltsp-update-sshkeys from within the chrooted env or no?
[12:09] <kiteflyer07> it appears that ltsp-update-sshkeys isn't even in the chroot, so that answers that bit... :)
[12:09] <kiteflyer07> rebooting client...
[12:10] <kiteflyer07> do you know how to disable X from starting?


[00:19] <akgraner> Another awesome week you all!  Issue 210 has been published the -news mailing lists and the announcement that it is available has been sent to various mailing lists, posted in the various IRC channels, as well as The Fridge, The Planet, and The Forums and we are ready for a new week in Ubuntu News - Thanks agian!
[00:19] <akgraner> Issue 211 will cover September 12th-18th, 2010
[00:19] <akgraner> Here are the links for working on next weeks issue:
[00:19] <akgraner> * etherpad for adding summaries -  http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN
[00:19] <akgraner> * etherpad for adding links and titles only - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN-Ideas
[00:19] <akgraner> * googledoc - https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[00:20] <akgraner> * wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue211
[03:09] <highvoltage> akgraner: merci!
[17:08] <akgraner> Daviey, can you drop mootbot-uk on #ubuntu-de-loco defcon just asked for it
[17:09] <Daviey> akgraner, ok - urgent?
[17:09] <akgraner> they have a meeting today they need it for
[17:10] <akgraner> I just asked them how many hours before their meeting
[17:10] <akgraner> Daviey, their meeting is 1800 UTC
[17:11] <Daviey> last minute++
[17:14] <Daviey> akgraner, should be done.. i might suggest they test before needing it
[17:14] <akgraner> Daviey, will let them know  - Thank you!!!
[17:15] <Daviey> cool
[17:18] <akgraner> Daviey, they are going to test it now..  Thanks a million!
[17:48] <Daviey> cool