[00:40] <alcides> 0000
[01:42] <Emilio> hello
[11:38] <Guest60966> nozomi
[11:38] <Guest60966> $ change name
[11:39] <cfhowlett> nick
[11:39] <cfhowlett> !nic
[11:39] <Guest60966> $ change name nozomi Guest60966
[11:39] <cfhowlett> !nick
[11:39] <Guest60966> use /nick newnick
[11:40] <Guest60966> sudo adduser Guest60966 audio
[11:41] <nozomi_> nozomi


[21:00] <nick125> Anyone here need 11.04? I have the AMD64 ISOs here: http://downloads.nick125.com/mirror/
[21:00] <nick125> (the i386 ISOs are downloading..)


[05:22] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[05:29] <duflu> Morning seb128
[05:32] <jibel> Good morning
[05:45] <duflu> Morning jibel
[05:48] <callmepk> morning seb128 jibel and afternoon duflu
[05:53] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[05:54] <duflu> Hi callmepk and oSoMoN
[05:54] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[05:54] <callmepk> morning oSoMoN
[05:55] <oSoMoN> hey callmepk
[05:55] <ricotz> good morning
[05:55] <duflu> Morning ricotz
[06:24] <oSoMoN_> good morning ricotz
[06:30] <jibel> Hi duflu callmepk oSoMoN_
[06:33]  * ricotz wonders if there is a deadline for moving for libera.chat
[06:35] <callmepk> hi jibel ricotz
[06:36] <callmepk> Not seeing much people from here at libera.chat though
[06:36] <oSoMoN_> salut jibel
[06:47] <seb128> hey duflu callmepk oSoMoN ricotz jibel, how are you?
[06:47] <seb128> oSoMoN, wb, did you have some nice holidays?
[06:48] <callmepk> seb128 it's okay, how about you?
[06:49] <seb128> callmepk, tired but alright otherwise I think!
[07:01] <didrocks> good morning
[07:03] <callmepk> hi didrocks
[07:04] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk duflu jibel oSoMoN ricotz seb128 didrocks
[07:04] <duflu> Hi didrocks and marcustomlinson
[07:04] <callmepk> hi marcustomlinson
[07:07] <didrocks> hey callmepk, marcustomlinson, duflu!
[07:11] <jibel> Hi marcustomlinson didrocks
[07:12] <jibel> seb128, doing well, thanks.
[07:12] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:40] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, lut didrocks, how are you?
[07:41] <didrocks> seb128: I’m fine, thanks, and you?
[07:42] <marcustomlinson> seb128: still a little low on energy but doing better thanks
[07:44] <seb128> didrocks, it was nice!
[07:44] <seb128> marcustomlinson, get better!
[07:52] <Nafallo> morning to the old network :-D
[08:17] <ogra> ... the network for the elderly ...
[08:24] <oSoMoN> hey seb128, thanks! holidays were nice, not very relaxing as we moved a lot, but good anyway
[08:24] <oSoMoN> and we got lots of sun and good food
[08:24] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, hey marcustomlinson, Nafallo and ogra
[08:25]  * ogra waves with his cane
[08:25] <oSoMoN> gotta come to terms with it, we're part of the old guard…
[08:25] <ogra> yeah 🙂
[08:29] <didrocks> hey hey oSoMoN, Nafallo
[09:14] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[09:14] <Wimpress> oSoMoN: I have news :)
[09:15] <Wimpress> There is a 'screencast-legacy' interface.
[09:15] <Wimpress> Adding that and manually connecting it get me new and interesting crashes and debug output :D
[09:18] <Wimpress> oSoMoN: And is works!
[09:18] <oSoMoN> Wimpress, interesting, let me try that with chromium
[09:18] <oSoMoN> what else (apart from connecting that interface) did you have to do to make it work?
[09:18] <Wimpress> PIPEWIRE_CONFIG_NAME: $SNAP/usr/share/pipewire/pipewire.conf
[09:19] <Wimpress> That ^ was required, to reference where the source part build of pipewire pout the config.
[09:20] <Wimpress> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/D40ymvNh/image.png
[09:21] <oSoMoN> I already had "PIPEWIRE_CONFIG_NAME: $SNAP/etc/pipewire/pipewire.conf" in my snapcraft.yaml, not sure why the difference in the install path
[09:22] <Wimpress> Yes. But that is not where the config file is placed.
[09:23] <Wimpress> At least not with how I build pipewire.
[09:31] <oSoMoN> Wimpress, the only relevant difference I can see between my source part and yours, in this regard, is that I'm building pipewire 0.3.26, and you're building 0.3.28
[09:31] <Wimpress> Weird.
[09:32] <Wimpress> `squashfs-root/usr/share/pipewire/pipewire.conf`
[09:32] <oSoMoN> and indeed, quoting https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/releases#highlights : « Config files are now installed in the data dir, system
[09:32] <oSoMoN> overrides in /etc/pipewire and $HOME are checked first. »
[09:32] <Wimpress> I have nothing in `etc` for pipewire in my snap.
[09:32] <oSoMoN> so it's just an upstream change
[09:32] <Wimpress> OK, so you found the reason :-)
[09:33] <Wimpress> https://github.com/snapcrafters/obs-studio/commit/71b89c6f9e07971d5d7d35757f1199fcf47b1d84
[09:35] <oSoMoN> let's see if adding the screencast-legacy plug makes it work for chromium
[09:35] <jamesh> if they've got pipewire support, it shouldn't be much trouble to use the xdg-desktop-portal interface and ditch screencast-legacy
[09:38] <oSoMoN> they do: https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:third_party/webrtc/modules/desktop_capture/linux/base_capturer_pipewire.cc
[09:39] <Wimpress> jamesh: o/
[09:39] <Wimpress> So, is xdg-desktop-portal a discrete interface or part of the desktop interface?
[09:40] <jamesh> desktop interface
[09:41] <Wimpress> In addition to defining the desktop interface in the yaml, what else is required?
[09:41] <jamesh> Wimpress: it certainly looks like OBS is using portals: https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio/blob/master/plugins/linux-capture/pipewire.c#L1074-L1081
[09:41] <Wimpress> Yes, it is.
[09:42] <Wimpress> But until I added `screencast-legacy` I couldn't get screen/window capture to work under Wayland.
[09:42] <jamesh> Wimpress: it shouldn't require any extra interface connections.  All screencast-legacy gives you is permission to call a few gnome-shell D-Bus calls that OBS doesn't even seem to be using
[09:43] <Wimpress> I got the idea from here: https://github.com/xlmnxp/blue-recorder/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml#L45
[09:45] <jamesh> Wimpress: this is all that screencast-legacy is giving you: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/264284dfbd0b4e1f2f5df50719672f3fb1f91839/interfaces/builtin/screencast_legacy.go#L33-L52 -- if you're not calling any of those D-Bus methods, then it likely isn't doing anything
[09:45] <jamesh> maybe try your working snap build and see what happens when you leave screencast-legacy unconnected?
[09:46] <Wimpress> OK
[09:46] <Wimpress> The obs-studio snap in the edge channel has this all enablked.
[09:46] <Wimpress> The obs-studio snap in the edge channel has this all enabled.
[09:47] <jamesh> Wimpress: in the case of that blue-recorder snap, it really is using the non-portal interface: https://github.com/xlmnxp/blue-recorder/blob/f4a8461ac725e8a9b77457e254f965222fee6222/src/ffmpeg_interface.rs#L68-L71
[09:47] <Wimpress> Huh.
[09:48] <Wimpress> Disconnected screencast-legacy, and it still works.
[09:48] <Wimpress> So, in my case. Just fixing the path to the pipewire config seems to have been the remedy.
[09:48] <jamesh> Apps like Firefox are using the portal interface even when not running confined, since it gives them a single code path that will work on both GNOME and KDE desktops
[09:50] <jamesh> that's one less interface that you'd need to request auto-connection for :-)
[09:50] <oSoMoN> jamesh, I'm seeing this with the chromium snap:
[09:50] <oSoMoN> [W][000018638.526850][module-portal.c:147 on_portal_pid_received()] Failed to receive portal pid: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: An AppArmor policy prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient; type="method_call", sender=":1.202" (uid=1000 pid=59101 comm="/snap/chromium/x2/usr/lib/chromium-browser/chrome " label="snap.chromium.chromium (enforce)") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus" member="GetConnectionUnixProcessID" erro
[09:50] <oSoMoN> r name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="org.freedesktop.DBus" (bus)
[09:51] <oSoMoN> not sure how relevant that is
[09:53] <Wimpress> oSoMoN: See the same denial here too.
[09:53] <oSoMoN> so probably harmless
[09:53] <Wimpress> However, try and share more that one window/screen and pipewire segfaults.
[09:54] <Wimpress> *more than one
[09:54] <jamesh> oSoMoN: weird.   It looks like that method should be allowed by desktop-legacy, which it looks like you plug
[09:54] <oSoMoN> yes
[09:55] <oSoMoN> the portal window says "Select window to share with (null)", so the name of the application is not being passed through correctly
[09:56] <jamesh> the app name is something we need to fix on the portal side.  It's not something you can do from within the sandbox
[09:56] <oSoMoN> and gnome shell shows the active screen sharing indicator, but no actual content is being shared in chromium
[09:56] <oSoMoN> ok
[09:56] <jamesh> (since it is meant to be info the sandboxed app can't forge)
[09:59] <jamesh> oSoMoN: on my system, it certainly looks like /var/lib/snapd/apparmor/profiles/snap.chromium.chromium has the rules to allow calling GetConnectionUnixProcessID
[10:02] <oSoMoN> it does here too, but I'm still seeing this denial: apparmor="DENIED" operation="dbus_method_call"  bus="session" path="/" interface="org.freedesktop.DBus" member="GetConnectionUnixProcessID" mask="send" name="org.freedesktop.DBus" pid=61781 label="snap.chromium.chromium" peer_label="unconfined"
[10:02] <jamesh> oSoMoN: ah.  it's the path
[10:03] <oSoMoN> yeah, path="/"
[10:03] <jamesh> looks like this is the source: https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire/blob/4e70799922c5e5859720f8987c53f7794e833f3c/src/modules/module-portal.c#L175-L178
[10:03] <jamesh> why isn't it using /org/freedesktop/DBus as the object path?
[10:05] <jamesh> that looks like a straight up bug in pipewire
[10:09] <oSoMoN> I'll rebuild the part from source with a patch to fix the path, let's see if it helps
[10:26] <oSoMoN> jamesh, I patched the path and rebuilt libpipewire-module-portal.so in the snap, the denial goes away but still no actual screen content being shared
[10:30] <ogra> oSoMoN, screencast-legacy definitely helps as last resort i found ... (for zoom-client i added it on the weekend)
[10:30] <jamesh> oSoMoN: thinking about it more, I'm curious about why that code would be running inside the sandbox in the first place.
[10:30] <jamesh> oSoMoN: as I understand it, the modules get loaded into the pipewire daemon: not the client applications
[10:31] <jamesh> ogra: assuming the application was written to use the old screencast API, which is not the case here.
[10:34] <oSoMoN> yeah, screencast-legacy doesn't make a difference here
[10:35] <jamesh> if you can't find the string org.gnome.Shell.Screencast in any of your binaries, you probably don't want screencast-legacy
[11:02] <ogra> jamesh, oh, ouch
[11:02] <ogra> that might also be the reason why zoom can only share the full screen and not single apps under wayland then
[15:08] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:08] <oSoMoN> hey hellsworth
[15:08] <marcustomlinson> morning hellsworth
[15:08] <hellsworth> hi guys :)
[15:10] <didrocks999> hey hellsworth!
[15:10] <hellsworth> o/ didrocks999
[15:49] <ricotz> hey hellsworth
[16:34] <hellsworth> hi there ricotz


[08:07] <sbeattie> alright, in addition to the above from stage5, I give a +1 on binary copies to bionic-proposed for the following (sorry in advance for the dump):
[08:08] <sbeattie> clojure (1.9.0-6~18.04) figtree (1.4.4-3~18.04) fontawesomefx (9.1.2-1~18.04) hikaricp (2.7.1-2~18.04) hsqldb (2.4.1-2~18.04)
[08:08] <sbeattie> hsqldb1.8.0 (<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg-10~18.04) jabref (3.8.2+ds-12~18.04) jackson-core (2.9.8-3~18.04) mariadb-connector-java (2.3.0-1~18.04)
[08:08] <sbeattie> jackson-databind (2.9.8-1~18.04) jackson-dataformat-xml (2.9.8-1~18.04) jackson-module-jaxb-annotations (2.8.10-4~18.04) javafxsvg (1.2.1-2~18.04) javamail (1.6.2-1~18.04)
[08:08] <sbeattie> jboss-classfilewriter (1.2.4-1~18.04) jboss-jdeparser2 (2.0.2-2~18.04) jboss-modules (1.9.0-1~18.04) jcommander (1.71-3~18.04) jersey1 (1.19.3-6~18.04) jftp (1.60+dfsg-3~18.04)
[08:08] <sbeattie> jhove (1.20.1-5~18.04.1) jmdns (3.5.5-1~18.04) jts (1.15.1+ds-2~18.04.1) junit4 (4.12-8~18.04 ) jxgrabkey (0.3.2-10~18.04) libapache-poi-java (4.0.1-1~18.03)
[08:08] <sbeattie> libbtm-java (2.1.4-4~18.04) libcommons-collections3-java (3.2.2-2~18.04) libcommons-collections4-java (4.2-1~18.04) libcommons-compress-java (1.18-1~18.04)
[08:08] <sbeattie> [eom]
[10:31] <doko> sil2100: please read backlog
[10:46] <sil2100> doko: should I start copying the packages from stage5 or should we wait for the whole PPA to be +1'ed?
[10:50] <doko> sil2100: starting would be good. we can see, if this cause some uninstallability and then hint sbeattie to the ones with higher priority
[10:51] <doko> and we have a problem ... we need to remove the old eclipse packages ...
[11:57] <doko> sil2100: please copy the libeclipse-emf source from the tomcat2 PPA. it's just a source rename, still building the same binary packages. This is to keep the binaries in the old eclipse-emf package, so that the old eclipse packages don't become uninstallable
[11:58] <doko> eclipse-emf was already reviewed, I'll subscribe to the package once it is in the archive.
[12:02] <sil2100> Ok, on it after lunch, I'll also start the stage5 copies of approved packages
[14:10] <doko> sbeattie: tomcat2 has a new package stegosuite
[15:29] <doko> sil2100: I'm removing eclipse-emf from -proposed when libeclipse-emf is published
[15:30] <sil2100> doko: ok
[15:30] <sil2100> I'm working through the stage5 approved packages slowly
[15:32] <doko> sil2100: could you update vorlon's hint?
 vorlon: please also add scilab fonts-liberation2 libreoffice libreoffice-l10n, and fix the version for jaxws
 sil2100: ^^^ or could you do that (bionic)?
[15:33] <doko> and s/eclipse-emf/libeclipse-emf/
[15:37] <sil2100> On it now as well
[15:41] <sil2100> doko: that's for bionic, the unblocks, right?
[16:42]  * sil2100 tweaked his tools a bit to make the package accepts a bit faster
[16:50] <sil2100> ugh, no LP times out on the OpenJDK bug
[16:51] <sil2100> Ok, officially I can't change the LP bug, getting timeouts, will let LP settle
[17:06] <doko> they seem to trickle in now ...
[17:39] <doko> sbeattie, sil2100: please hold back on stegosuite. looks we don't need the update
[17:42] <sil2100> ACK
[17:51] <sil2100> Ok, all so-far-approved packages should be now accepted into -proposed
[17:51] <sil2100> Now I need to go hang myself
[17:52] <doko> hang? not yet, you're not yet finished ;p
[17:53] <sil2100> ;)
[20:50] <sbeattie> FYI, I'm tryig to knock out the rest of stage5 today
[20:53] <doko> \o/
[21:50] <doko> sbeattie: updated figtree in stage5 (additional test dependency), swt4-gtk in tomcat2, and please review stegosuite in tomcat2
[21:50] <doko> swt4-gtk is a downgrade to a version providing gtk2 support
[21:51] <doko> should take prio over stage5, but I'm afk now
[22:14] <sbeattie> +1 on swt4-gtk:tomcat2
[22:22] <doko> sbeattie: and we just noticed that debug symbols are not enabled in the ppa's ... so please review, check that it's actually building arch:any and tell me here ...
[22:22] <doko> I'll look at the already approved ones and re-upload all arch:any ...
[22:32] <sbeattie> sigh, okay
[22:33] <doko> ta
[22:34] <doko> sbeattie: so tdaitx did that analysis already ...
[23:43] <tdaitx> doko: sbeattie: I added the packages that need a cosmic update to the spreadsheet (sheet 2, bottom, look for "sru to cosmic")
[23:43] <tdaitx> there are 167 packages in that list (including new packages), only 7 of them are arch:any
[23:43] <tdaitx> maybe worth moving it into its own sheet
[23:47] <tdaitx> and I just noticed that some "new" packages are wrong, will be updating that again
[23:50] <tdaitx> done, I had previously missed the packages in the antmaven ppa
[23:51] <tdaitx> actual total is 153 packages


[17:24] <sveinse> V7: You need to be outside the system you're restoring. So in server marked they usually have some extra control channel, like ILO, that gives you access to boot sources
[17:25] <V7> The International Labour Organization ?
[17:25] <zomaar> jer: I never spoke of bugs
[17:25] <zomaar> jer: I mean unfinished features, or "this is not a bug but a feature" attitudes
[17:25] <sveinse> V7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Integrated_Lights-Out
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> B14CK-SPID3R: we dont support it, only ubuntu support
[17:25] <jer> zomaar, you didn't use that word, but you did say if they focused on refining things 10 years earlier, that we'd have a system approaching windows level today... which has a few implicit statements (which you may or may not have intended in it)
[17:26] <zomaar> jer: Example is libreoffice not wanting to change undo configuration
[17:26] <jer> anyway, apolgoies if i misrepresented your position
[17:26] <jer> zomaar, right, individual people are inherently selfish =]
[17:26] <jer> "works on my computer" kind of thing
[17:26] <jer> the advancement of linux systems approaching more "user friendly" solutions, is a sociological problem as much as it is a technological one
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | jer zomaar
[17:27] <jer> lotuspsychje, apologies
[17:27] <zomaar> If you want come to #ubuntu-discuss then
[17:28] <B14CK-SPID3R> lotuspsychje: and can you tell me how can i install "build-essential libreadline-dev libssl-dev libpq5 libpq-dev libreadline5 libsqlite3-dev libpcap-dev git-core autoconf postgresql pgadmin3 curl zlib1g-dev libxml2-dev libxslt1-dev vncviewer libyaml-dev curl zlib1g-dev" and absolutely "msf" in ubuntu 16.04? (without kali repo)
[17:28] <V7> sveinse: What about Gateway Smart Console ?
[17:28] <sveinse> V7, there is a technique for upgrading the system you're on if you cannot do dpkg upgrade: 1) transfer the upgrade tar to the target system, 2) Prep the bootloader to boot into a special initrd image, 3) Reboot into the initrd, mounting and starting the installer, 4) Reboot once more into the installed system.
[17:29] <hdavis> hello
[17:29] <sveinse> V7: Don't know about it. I'm not well versed in the server marked
[17:29] <anddam> brainwash: yep, thanks
[17:29] <anddam> didn't know it made into official repo
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> B14CK-SPID3R: 'if' you have installed ubuntu, you can install all apckages from the ubuntu repos
[17:30] <B14CK-SPID3R> lotuspsychje: i've just ask about risk of upgrade with another repos !
[17:30] <B14CK-SPID3R> lotuspsychje: i couldn't find these packages in ubuntu repos. and also couldn't find any article about it.
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> B14CK-SPID3R: we dont support external ppa's adding neither, so we dont reccomend upgrade ubuntu with external ppa's
[17:31] <V7> So you're talking about some proprietary backup boot system
[17:31] <sveinse> V7, essentially, yes
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | B14CK-SPID3R
[17:32] <V7> So how is it possible to tell system to boot into it and how is it possible to create such two commands sytem which will untar thing and reboot ?
[17:32] <altaiir_> nobody is perfect
[17:33] <sveinse> V7, granted, lots of steps
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> altaiir_: can we help you?
[17:33] <B14CK-SPID3R> Ok. Thank you very much.
[17:33] <altaiir_> why do you want help me
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> !support | altaiir_ is why
[17:34] <oerheks> wait, does kali have build essentials ?
[17:34] <Checkmate>  guys perl and bash script display as plain text
[17:35] <Checkmate> on apache
[17:35] <sveinse> How mature is it to run wayland on 17.10?
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: some systems run fine and others dont
[17:35] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: any specifics in what does and what doesn't?
[17:36] <sveinse> hw domain specific or application use specific?
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: well lets stick to real ubuntu issues here, feel free to discuss a bit in #ubuntu-discuss
[17:37] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: So wayland is not a way to fix my 17.10 ubuntu gnome-shell display issues then? ;)
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: what issue do you have?
[17:39] <sveinse> I have a Lenovo P51 HiDPI laptop, and I'm trying to connect external screens and get the DPI settings right. The display connects fine, but the fonts on the external screen is large, so I figure I need to set the scaling on the HiDPI screen. But gnome display settings does not react when I change the scaling settings
[17:39] <sveinse> It hides the Apply button
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: you did ask this before in here right, seen it passby
[17:40] <sveinse> yes, I have. I'm trying to figure out how I can help myself dig deeper in this, but I don't seem to come past the surface
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: have you created a bug about it, or added yourself affected to an existing one?
[17:42] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: not yet. I don't if it is. One guy claimed that this was a driver issue, not a gnome issue, so I don't really know yet
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: as wayland is a new start on ubuntu, its important to help create bugs about it and 17.10 is non-lts
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: does your problem occur on xorg? have you tested?
[17:42] <apteryx_> hello, how can I terminate Unity from the command line? pkill unity doesn't
[17:42] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I'm not running wayland now, I was asking if it could bring me anywhere going there
[17:44] <oerheks> apteryx_, you could stop unity when in TTY2, sudo service lightdm stop or 17.10 sudo systemctl lightdm stop
[17:44] <apteryx_> I'm not running lightdm, I was in ratpoison and used the tmpwm command to start 'unity'
[17:44] <akik> sveinse: this says that for wayland, there would be per-monitor scaling https://wiki.gnome.org/HowDoI/HiDpi
[17:44] <apteryx_> The ratpoison WM docs says when that process dies I'll be back in ratpoison; so I'm trying to figure out how to undo starting 'unity'
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: you are running 17.10 right?
[17:45] <oerheks> apteryx_, oh that i don't know.. anyway you can from tty2
[17:45] <ImageJPEG> Any ideas on how to get the network interface up without Network Manager on Ubuntu 17.06? Basically just using /etc/network/interfaces file.
[17:45] <ImageJPEG> Right now, ifconfig shows the interface but cannot do anything network wise. Cannot ping and whatnot
[17:46] <sveinse> When I'm at work, I have two external DP screens. gdm3 shows them perfectly, both resolution and placement images. But when I log into gnome shell, the displays goes haywire and the machine seems to be cycling through the modes. The dialogue which is shown when pressing super+p for changing to mirror display, etc. is shown.
[17:46] <ImageJPEG> But can see network traffic using tcpdump
[17:46] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: yes, 17.10 fresh installation
[17:46] <akik> ImageJPEG: if you create the network configuration in /etc/network/interfaces, it'll be taken into use automatically for that interface
[17:46] <ImageJPEG> ok, but it doesn't seem to. We have the network interface inside the interfaces file but still will not work
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: when at home try a few tests ok
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: id reccomend xorg session as test strongly, to compare
[17:47] <ImageJPEG> We've removed network-manager from the packages as well
[17:47] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: ok, I'm at home now
[17:47] <oerheks> ImageJPEG, time to upgrade, you won't get meltdown/spectre
[17:47] <oerheks> patches*
[17:47] <ImageJPEG> I should correct myself, we're running 17.10
[17:48] <ImageJPEG> not 06
[17:48] <apteryx_> or; I'm only missing the top Unity bar that would allow me to graphically log out. How can I start that one?
[17:49] <donofrio> anyone know how I can reduce the cpu load of these usb to dvi "pluggable (directlink -  UGA-3000)" video dongles?
[17:49] <donofrio> https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Graphics-Multiple-2048x1152-1920x1080/ I have four of these and they seem to take up too much cpu....
[17:52] <zsoc> is `daemon` a legit thing to use? (16.04).. vs just getting something to work proper with systemd as a service?
[17:52] <zsoc> I'm finding the man page to be a little vague
[17:53] <ImageJPEG> Basically, we have a bunch of servers running Ubuntu 17.10. They've been installed with a gui because apparently it's needed for what they're doing. We need to find a way to remove Network Manager and allow us to easily program static IPs via the interfaces file or find an extreamly easy way to do that with NM over ssh.
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> ImageJPEG: i hope not production?
[17:53] <nacc> ImageJPEG: i *believe* NM cann be disabled via systemd?
[17:54] <oerheks> ImageJPEG, see netplan > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan
[17:54] <ImageJPEG> It's nothing mission critical or anything like that
[17:59] <vanny> hi all, brand new ubuntu user here and need help :P
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> vanny: ask your issue in the channel please
[18:01] <vanny> I did an install of 17.10 server and wifi worked fine, once I did GUI update now I have no network, jsut says wifi unavailable
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> vanny: define GUI update?
[18:02] <ImageJPEG> oerheks: Thanks for the suggestion. We'll be getting into that. Looks like that'll do the trick.
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> vanny: tell us what you did exactly
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | oerheks
[18:03] <vanny> newbie here, so I did the install ubuntu-desktop from the command line
[18:04] <titou_> hey
[18:04] <titou_> i'm trying to install kubuntu on a PC. I just downloaded the last ISO version but when it is installing I've got an "Input/Output error" while I succeed to install ubuntu on this computer with this usb stick..
[18:04] <titou_> is there a bug in the kubuntu iso?
[18:04] <ranjeet> #django
[18:05] <yeats> titou_: that usually points to a hardware problem somewhere (in my experience)
[18:05] <yeats> titou_: could be a bad usb stick or bad usb port or something else along the way
[18:05] <titou_> thus why I was able to install ubuntu?
[18:05] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | titou_
[18:06] <yeats> titou_: i/o errors don't necessarily mean it won't eventually work
[18:06] <titou_> I already checked the sha256 and it's good
[18:06] <titou_> moreover the install program just stop and restard KDE..
[18:06] <titou_> thus the installation is not finished
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> vanny: so you installed ubuntu 17.10 server then installed desktop over it?
[18:06] <vanny> yeah, sorry i install the gnome desktop
[18:07] <titou_> I'll try with another usb stick ..
[18:07] <sveinse> I see Lenovo P51 is certified for pre-install with Ubuntu. Then I suppose there is hope to find solutions to some of the issues I'm seeing.
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> vanny: you want to use ubuntu server or desktop?
[18:07] <sveinse> Another one is that sometimes it hangs on reboot and shutdown and I have to kill it with longpress of the power button
[18:07] <Checkmate> i cannot run perl on apache
[18:08] <vanny> server I guess, but manage some items from gui. Im a windows server guy, this is my first move to linux
[18:08] <yeats> Checkmate: can you provide more details about what's going on?
[18:08] <titou_> thus I have another question independant from the first one: does kubuntu will work well on a 2-in-1 laptop? I mean with an interface with big buttons, virtual keyboard etc. ?
[18:09] <titou_> during the installation the DPI is bad (the text is really really small) rather than I had no problem with ubuntu installation
[18:09] <sveinse> vanny: welcome! I know how you might feel (I'm somewhat in the same position when being handed a Windows server.)
[18:09] <Checkmate> yeats i'm trying to excute site.com/test.pl on apache2 i get plaintext
[18:09] <yeats> titou_: I'm not a KDE user, but there's probably a scaling option somewhere in the settings
[18:10] <titou_> yeah I guess so but maybe someone already got some hints about this kind of use :)
[18:11] <yeats> Checkmate: you've verified that mod_perl is installed and enabled?
[18:11] <Checkmate> yes yeats
[18:11] <Checkmate> now i get Internal Server Error
[18:12] <nacc> Checkmate: and did you check the logs?
[18:12] <ImageJPEG> Do I need to do anything or add it to the system init to get netplan started? Or is it something fairly ingrained into Ubuntu where I don't need to do anything?
[18:12] <yeats> Checkmate: /var/log/apache2/error.log (or maybe journalctl)
[18:13] <cheetahpixie> https://i.imgur.com/BEMLHe5.png brainwash There is literally no option in this window to do that.
[18:13] <cheetahpixie> The find button there takes me to the software store thing.
[18:14] <Checkmate> Permission denied: exec of '/var/www/html/q.pl' failed: /var/www/html/q.pl
[18:14] <Checkmate> End of script output before headers: q.pl
[18:15] <nacc> Checkmate: ... right, so is it executable?
[18:15] <Checkmate> yes
[18:15] <nacc> Checkmate: as the www-data user?
[18:16] <Checkmate> yes
[18:17] <nacc> Checkmate: pastebin q.pl ?
[18:17] <Checkmate> https://pastebin.com/raw/UxY7f0Cr
[18:18] <Checkmate> Internal Server Error
[18:18] <ioria> Checkmate, usually when ff displays code instead of executing it, it's because  it's unable to find the application to run the script
[18:20] <Checkmate> fixed by #!/usr/bin/perl -w
[18:21] <nacc> i don't believe you should consider that a 'fix'
[18:24] <sveinse> There have to be a bug in gnome display settings: If I start X with the internal display enabled, but the external display disabled, the gnome display settings does not show an "Apply" button when I select "Join displays" in display mode. "Mirror" does however
[18:25] <lordcirth_work> vanny, sounds like ubuntu-desktop installed networkmanager which changed your settings.  Try 'sudo systemctl disable NetworkManager.service' and reboot.
[18:25] <mabr> hi! anyone knows what happened to zesty repo?
[18:25] <nacc> mabr: zesty is eol
[18:25] <mabr> can't apt-get anything, getting 404 not found...
[18:25] <lordcirth_work> !zesty
[18:25] <vanny> i found that it looks like my wifi card isnt supported
[18:26] <mabr> yeah, but earlier today i installed new packages and now i can't anymore
[18:26] <lordcirth_work> vanny, were you on wifi before, not ethernet?
[18:26] <mabr> @nacc
[18:26] <lordcirth_work> mabr, then I guess they took the repos down today?  Upgrading should still work.
[18:26] <lordcirth_work> !eolupgrade | mabr
[18:27] <vanny> for all install. it is weird as from terminal it shows there and even show the network but no internet connection. I did find a link to issues with the RT3090 card
[18:27] <mabr> thanks, will check the links...
[18:27] <mchelen> i'm trying to use opencl on ubuntu 17.10 and i have nvidia prop drivers 384 installed, but clinfo shows 0 platforms. how can i fix this?
[18:27] <sveinse> where is it best to discuss gnome issues? Here or somewhere else?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: ask about gnome issues fits here
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: there is also #ubuntu-gnome if you like
[18:29] <p00pface> Hm! ANyone familiar with phpmyadmin? I cannot login as root, but I can loging as phpmyadmin... it's a fresh install... the phpmyadmin user doesn't have root privileges, and therefore I can't create new DB or new users...
[18:29] <p00pface> so I need to go create those through the Mysql/terminal database... correct?
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> !lamp | p00pface
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> p00pface: you might consider a new nickname aswell on freenode
[18:30] <CodifiedSlavery> Sure.
[18:30] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: Perhaps its better to talk there? I'd like to figure out how I can figure out if and how I can fix my setup
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: the best way to resolve issues, is to ask them in channel with all your details, ubuntu version, kernel,steps taken in one line
[18:32] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: ok thanks. I'll try
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> !details | sveinse
[18:33] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: yeah, thing is X and gnome is not my expert area, so often I need help to find where I can find things like configs and current settings
[18:35] <sveinse> Perhaps a youtube video showing the issue, since this is a UX issue?
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: thats what this channel is for, aka ask: hi i cant find my xorg config in gnome 17.10?
[18:35] <sveinse> great
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: start from the start ok..
[18:37] <titou_> ok so with the other usb stick the installed worked.. sorry :( I don't really understand
[18:37] <titou_> anyway when I start KDE, plasma is not designed for tablet :( no virtual keyboard etc.. is there somehting to install for that?
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> titou_: some usb brands dont work well, or might be broken?
[18:38] <titou_> it's a new usb stick :s
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> titou_: new usb's can also be broken
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> titou_: perhaps you can ask in #kubuntu, they might know a trick for you
[18:43] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I have Lenovo P51, with nvidia+intel GPU using prime. Running 17.10, gnome-shell, using nvidia 384.111 drivers from ubuntu. In this setup I have the internal HiDPI panel + external hdmi (normal DPI). 1) When gdm3 starts, the desktop spans multiple screens OK, 2) When gnome-shell starts, I have only the internal screen enabled. 3) If I open gnome display settings to enable the external screen
[18:43] <sveinse> by pressing "Join displays" I get no "Apply" button
[18:45] <sveinse> Oh, I get an apply button if I set scaling on both screens to 200%. (yielding fonts I can read on the moon on the external screen)
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: is this what you experience? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1375342
[18:46] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: checking -- not running wayland, btw. sorry did't add that to the list above
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: so your on xorg?
[18:47] <fundies> can someone help me set gcc version? update-alternatives: error: alternative cpp can't be slave of gcc: it is a master alternative
[18:48] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: yes. and the bugzilla issue is the same I'm seeing
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: you tested this in wayland also?
[18:48] <fundies> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26412264/ this is command I want to run
[18:49] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: no I haven't yet. Should I?
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: id reccomend it as a test yes
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: before we move into a new bug
[18:49] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: thanks, then I will
[18:50] <sveinse> (never done it before, so I'll google it)
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: just logout, then you can choose xorg or wayland session
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: aka: ubuntu or ubuntu on xorg
[18:51] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I probably need to change back to lightdm then, since I can't seem to find any such option in gdm3
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> fundies: could your share with us what you really are trying to do?
[18:51] <sveinse> and install wayland of course
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: wayland is default on 17.10
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: perhaps your affected to the bug, it doesnt show at login?
[18:52] <sveinse> wait, how do I know if I'm already running wayland. I've just installed a stock 17.10 image and changed to gnome-shell
[18:52] <fundies> lotuspsychje, i did
[18:53] <Borw3> LOL, just read Gnome removed desktop folders/icons on 3.28 :D... Is Ubuntu going to stick with Gnome even after 18.04?
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> Borw3: #ubuntu+1 for bionic questions please
[18:54] <akik> sveinse: if you run xrandr, it'll show WAYLAND0 connected or similar
[18:54] <Bashing-om> sveinse: ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' in terminal ,
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: 17.10 has already gnome by default, what you mean you installed gnome?
[18:54] <Borw3> #ubuntu+1?
[18:55] <leftyfb> Borw3: /join #ubuntu+1
[18:55] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I changed lightdm to gdm3 so I could get a pure/stock gnome-shell login, not with ubuntus overlays. (I didn't know until today that there is no more unity)
[18:56] <sveinse> As in I ran sudo update-alternatives --config gdm3.css and selected gnome-shell.css
[18:57] <sveinse> I'm changing it back to ubuntu.css, so I can select on login
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: now you lost me mate, 17.10 has gdm as default and not lightdm
[18:57] <nacc> :wq
[18:57] <nacc> sorry
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: you have ubuntu 17.10 without wayland and lightdm?
[18:59] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I see some wayland pkgs installed, but xrandr and the other XDG_SESSION_TYPE does not show wayland. In the login I can select two types "GNOME on Xorg" "Ubuntu on Xorg"
[19:00] <sveinse> This machine was installed yesterday from iso
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: what you should see at login is: ubuntu(wayland) and ubuntu on xorg
[19:03] <brainwash> sveinse: you use the nvidia driver, so no wayland for you probably
[19:03] <sveinse> right, which I have to to get external screens
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1714203
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: see if your affected to this bug
[19:06] <akik> brainwash: wayland doesn't work with nvidia?
[19:07] <sveinse> Correct, I was affected. But I was looking for GNOME login, and didn't find the cog. So I ran update-alternatives --config gdm3.css and selected the gnome-shell.css. Then I got the cog
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> akik: it does, ive tested an nvidia laptop that works like a charm on wayland
[19:07] <brainwash> akik: not with the nvidia driver
[19:08] <brainwash> as in the driver provided by nvidia
[19:08] <akik> brainwash: ah you need to use nouveau?
[19:08] <sveinse> I'm running Lenovo P51 and bought this one because it was listed in "certified for Ubuntu pre-install" :D
[19:08] <brainwash> akik: yes
[19:08] <akik> sveinse: but which version?
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: remember 17.10 is non-lts...if you want more stable choose an LTS version
[19:09] <akik> sveinse: for example, 14.04, 16.04 and 17.10 are all supported but vastly different
[19:09] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: yes. I am eager for 18.04. I chose 17.10 since I'd expect 16.04 to be too old for this new architecture
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: xenial isnt too old..
[19:10] <sveinse> I have another prime-based lenovo running 16.04, and it wasn't a walk in the park there
[19:10] <binaryhermit> I mean, isn't xenial the last LTS released at this point?
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: you can also run 16.04.3 with higher mainline kernel if you like
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> binaryhermit: yes
[19:11] <akik> https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201702-25426/ (ubuntu 16.04)
[19:11] <binaryhermit> that said 18.04 is going to be LTS
[19:11] <binaryhermit> can't remember the name but it's b-adjective b-animal
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> !bionic | binaryhermit
[19:12] <sveinse> reinstalling to 16.04.3
[19:13] <akik> sveinse: 16.04 only has xorg, and that gnome page said only wayland would have per-monitor dpi with gnome
[19:14] <sveinse> so I can't expect it to be any better with 16.04, then?
[19:15]  * SysGhost thinks "Bionic Bear" would have been a better choice.
[19:15] <adithya> hey, i am back. i went through the site that tells about the update. but then i still cant run the command..
[19:15] <adithya> deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ Zesty Zapus main restricted universe multiverse
[19:15] <adithya> No command 'deb' found, did you mean:
[19:15] <adithya>  Command 'derb' from package 'icu-devtools' (main)
[19:15] <adithya>  Command 'dex' from package 'dex' (universe)
[19:15] <adithya>  Command 'deb3' from package 'quilt' (universe)
[19:15] <adithya>  Command 'xdeb' from package 'xdeb' (universe)
[19:15] <adithya>  Command 'dab' from package 'bsdgames' (universe)
[19:15] <nacc> adithya: that's not a command
[19:15] <nacc> !paste | adithya
[19:16] <nacc> adithya: that's a line you add / modify in your sources.list
[19:18] <sveinse> Why do I feel like I'm no closer to any solution to the display issues?
[19:19] <aoluser> hi thre
[19:19] <aoluser> a quick question about another distro
[19:19] <nacc> aoluser: so ... offtopic for this channel?
[19:20] <aoluser> any knows why still manjaro doesnt have uefi signatures?
[19:20] <sveinse> 17.10 isn't supported as 16.04 is, and 17.10 has problems running wayland with nvidia, but 16.04 doesn't support wayland. Wayland is needed to have per-display DPI settings. About right?
[19:20] <nacc> aoluser: you should ask manjaro
[19:21] <akik> sveinse: brainwash said that you need to use nouveau module and not nvidia module
[19:21] <blackflow> sveinse: technically, nvidia has problems running wayland on <anydistro>
[19:22] <sveinse> akik: does noveeau function with prime? I.e. can I expect external screens to work?
[19:23] <akik> sveinse: wasn't prime to be used with the nvidia module?
[19:24] <BluesKaj> nouveau is the only driver that works with nvidia on wayland atm
[19:26] <sveinse> akik: I understand it that prime is the scheme used on laptops to get external screens. the internal panel is hardwired to intel GPU, while the external to nvidia
[19:26] <akik> sveinse: it's used to be able to switch between intel<->nvidia gfx card
[19:27] <sveinse> You can change this in bios, but if you run nvidia for everything since intel cannot run external screens, your battery capacity goes down the drain
[19:27] <sveinse> so thus the optimus / prime technology
[19:27] <BluesKaj> optimus and wayland , don't think that's gonna work
[19:27] <akik> sveinse: how do you figure intel can't run external screen?
[19:28] <sveinse> akik: because these laptops are hardwired this way
[19:28] <sveinse> If you disable the nvidia chip in bios, you cannot have any external screens
[19:29] <akik> wow ok
[19:29] <sveinse> *that* is the nvidia prime technology afaik
[19:29] <sveinse> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME
[19:30] <sveinse> ok, I stand corrected, prime is apparently not a nvidia exclusive thing I see. AMD has something similar
[19:33] <koolkalang> Hi all, am currently on 17.04 which apparently EOL'd couple days ago, should I move to 17.10 or is some pre-release 18.04 available somewhere?
[19:33] <nacc> koolkalang: both are true, yes
[19:33] <nacc> koolkalang: both are available, i mean
[19:33] <nacc> koolkalang: what you do is up to your comfort level
[19:34] <sveinse> Perhaps I should endeavour 18.04 on this laptop to see if any of these things work better there?
[19:35] <akik> sveinse: did you try 17.10 with wayland, removing the nvidia module and using nouveau?
[19:35] <sveinse> akik: I will now
[19:36] <koolkalang> nacc: I'd rather the 18 pre-release, but I don't know what will change in the interim til April
[19:37] <beanbag-> this is embarassing considering I used linux since 97 or so but
[19:37] <beanbag-> where do you download manually the files from apt update if you broke a system and need to reinstall the kernal manually
[19:37] <sveinse> btw, why the requirement to disable secure boot it propertary drivers are installed?
[19:39] <akik> sveinse: secure boot should be ok if you only use ubuntu packaged packages
[19:40] <sveinse> akik: No, the 17.10 installer insisted that as long as I wanted the 3rd party drivers and packages, I needed to disable secure boot.
[19:41] <akik> sveinse: that's what i meant, if you use only ubuntu packaged packages, it should be ok
[19:41] <sveinse> akik: right, so it's a policy thing. Created loads of problems with my win10 installation, as IT has enforced bitlocker encrypton on it
[19:42] <sveinse> Had to recover it and re-enter the bitlocker keys
[19:42] <akik> sveinse: for example if you use 3rd party kernel modules, it's easier just to turn it off
[19:43] <nacc> koolkalang: ok, i believe you'll need to upgrade to 17.10 then upgrade to 18.04
[19:44] <sveinse> I probably need to uninstall nvidia to make it effective. I selected "Using X.Org X server - Noveau" in Software & updates / Additional drivers, but I see from xorg.0.log that it has picked nvidia still. And gdm didn't present a wayland selection
[19:46] <koolkalang> nacc: I'll probably upgrade for 17.10, then for the lts in april I'll do a full wipe
[19:48] <koolkalang> Also I've been reading a lot about wayland - X will still come with ubuntu/xubuntu correct, so I can run i3 if need be?
[19:48] <ajaxjones> Is anyone here familiar with running the google authenticator on 16.04?
[19:48] <sveinse> strange nvidia-settings claim nvidia is not running the X, and the nvidia driver is uninstalled. Yet still Xorg.0.log lists nvidia all over the place. How can I run it with noveau?
[19:48] <koolkalang> s/need be/I want/
[19:50] <akik> sveinse: "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" does that still list nvidia packages?
[19:52] <sveinse> akik: nvidia-384 and nvidia-opencl-icd-384 are rc, while nvidia-prime and nvidia-settings are installed. Should I purge the former?
[19:53] <akik> sveinse: if you run "lsmod | grep nvidia" it should list it if the module is still installed/loaded
[19:53] <sveinse> it isnt
[19:54] <akik> sveinse: ok maybe you have the previous log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the current
[19:55] <akik> sveinse: "sudo lshw -c video" should show driver=nouveau then
[19:55] <sveinse> akik: yes it does
[19:57] <sveinse> akik: but I still have no option to select wayland
[19:57] <akik> sveinse: sorry i can't help with that
[19:58] <sveinse> akik: ok, but thanks a lot!
[19:58] <sveinse> I can't help being really confused as I'm running a very fresh image
[19:58] <akik> sveinse: i'm using 16.04 kubuntu because it works for me(tm)
[19:59] <ioria> sveinse, what items do you have in the login screen ? if you select 'Ubuntu' that is wayland
[20:00] <sveinse> ioria: It reads "Ubuntu on Xorg" and "GNOME on Xorg" so I doubt its wayland :D
[20:00] <ioria> sveinse, right... can you paste /etc/gdm3/custom.conf ?
[20:01] <sveinse> Winging a potential explaination: WHen I installed 17.10 I selected yes to 3rd party drivers. Perhaps that altered the default set of packages and hence, I don't have all I need for wayland?
[20:01] <sveinse> ioria: sure, hang on
[20:01] <ioria> yes
[20:02] <sveinse> so that was my mistake then?
[20:02] <ioria> nope
[20:04] <sveinse> ioria: https://bpaste.net/show/de1a4acc7cd3
[20:04] <ioria> sveinse, ok, so you want to use wayland ?
[20:05] <markychaz> whats up
[20:05] <tfitts> I'm looking for a program or command that can watch a directory for changes to files of specific extensions and when a change is detected it runs a command.  Anyone doing something like this?
[20:05] <sveinse> ioria: I dont know if you've been tracking my discussion here today, but I'm running a Lenovo P51 and I want to use external screens and get the DPI setting right. I was suggested that wayland was worth trying
[20:06] <markychaz> whats that ubuntu linux version of doom called?
[20:06] <ioria> sveinse, sudo apt purge nvidia*   (note the *)   and reboot
[20:06] <ioria> sveinse, and sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:07] <ioria> sveinse, before rebooting
[20:07] <markychaz> can i set it so i can keep a permenet username on this
[20:07] <nsh> what compression is used by the kernel when a file is given the 'c' attribute under e.g. ext4?
[20:07] <vanny> ok, I just did a new clean install of 17.10 server, which is the best "desktop" to download? Gnome seemed to kill my wifi card
[20:07] <nsh> LZMA?
[20:07] <ioria> tfitts, inotify ?
[20:07] <tfitts> ok, I'll look into it. thanks.
[20:08] <ioria> tfitts, inotifywait -m -r -e  modify,attrib,close_write,move,create,delete /mydir
[20:08] <koolkalang> Will upgrading to 17.10 also update my linux kernel?
[20:08] <koolkalang> dling it rn
[20:08] <markychaz> anyone got any info
[20:09] <sveinse> ioria: done. still no wayland option
[20:13] <ioria> sveinse, you know how to set a kernel parameter ?
[20:14] <sveinse> ioria: like to grubs handover to kernel, yes
[20:15] <ioria> sveinse, ok, so after 'quiet splash  ' add nouveau.modeset=0
[20:17] <sveinse> ioria: is the order of essence? I added it to /etc/default/grub, and I see in /boot/grub/grub.cfg that is appears right before quiet splash
[20:17] <sveinse> otherwise I'll just edit the grub config directly for this once
[20:18] <ioria> sveinse, i was talking about the grub screen at startup, not /etc/default/grub  but basically it's the same ...
[20:18] <ioria> sveinse, better
[20:18] <sveinse> ioria: heh, setting it *in* grub didn't cross my mind :P
[20:18] <ioria> ok
[20:19] <ioria> sveinse, if it works, you can set it permanently in /e/d/grub
[20:21] <beanbag-> I got it resolved but thx
[20:25] <sveinse> ioria: there it worked
[20:25] <sveinse> now for testing external display
[20:25] <ioria> sveinse, ok, so you're hit by the bug
[20:25] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1724583 sveinse
[20:26] <sveinse> ioria: done, marked as affected by me
[20:27] <ioria> sveinse, please, paste lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'
[20:29] <duckx0r> Anyone else been having this problem the past couple of days when trying to update? "The repository 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty Release' does no longer have a Release file."
[20:29] <leftyfb> !zesty | duckx0r
[20:29] <leftyfb> !eol | duckx0r
[20:29] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | duckx0r have a look here on upgrading
[20:30] <sveinse> ioria: https://bpaste.net/show/77e0d7b35347
[20:30] <duckx0r> Thanks guys.
[20:31] <ioria> sveinse, you can't give up that nvidia card (in my opinion) ... let's use Xorg, sorry
[20:31] <koolkalang> oh god I'm getting close to restarting the computer for  17.10 wish me luck
[20:31] <sveinse> ioria: This is the Lenovo P51, btw (which is a Ubuntu certified laptop).
[20:31] <Baltazar> yum... then apt.... then aptitude... now composer. What kind of monster is Linux?! :P
[20:32] <koolkalang> the upgrade from 17.04 messed up my laptop kb and couldn't get usb to work :P
[20:32] <ioria> sveinse, idk about certified, but maybe you need full functional that Quadro ... idk
[20:32] <sveinse> ioria: No I can't. These laptops have the external screens hardwired to the nvidia chio I believe.
[20:33] <sveinse> But if nouveau would fit the bill, I dont know
[20:34] <ioria> sveinse, is this configuration fitting your needs ?
[20:34] <sveinse> Not your fault, but I had hoped that since this is kinda endorsed by Ubuntu, that it would would work, well, better
[20:34] <motaka2> ioria: Hello. Have you ever seen such an message? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/73c9d9edd5673d881a65277fdbd2f56f
[20:34] <sveinse> ioria: No, I need the external screen(s) to work in a sane way.
[20:35] <ioria> motaka2, maybe there is more than that in the error output ...
[20:36] <ioria> sveinse, and the external it's not working  ?
[20:37] <sveinse> ioria: No, nothing is listed in gnome display settings.
[20:38] <ioria> sveinse, so the external is blank ?
[20:40] <sveinse> ioria: yeah, no signal. It used to work with xorg+nvidia, but then I had a DPI issue, forcing 2x scaling on both the internal HiDPI screen and the external screen. gnome display setting doesn't allow me to press "Apply" to have different scaling between the two.
[20:41] <ioria> sveinse, any reason why you're using 17.10 ?
[20:41] <sveinse> I must then either select between microscopic fonts on the hidpi or moon-sized fonts on the external
[20:41] <sveinse> ioria: no, not really. I had some similar problems on another laptop on 16.04 so I decided I wanted to give 17.10 a try
[20:42] <sveinse> I really four months too early... :P
[20:42] <ioria> sveinse, so wayland it's not helping in that...
[20:43] <sveinse> ioria: wayland+nouveu isn't able to detect external screens, so no. it worse
[20:43] <motaka2> ioria: how can I give you more information ?
[20:44] <ioria> sveinse,  paste /etc/default/grub
[20:47] <Checkmate> anyone use emeditor?
[20:47] <sveinse> ioria: https://bpaste.net/show/fdd050305829
[20:47] <qswz> what's the best way to remap a key like a useless ² (top-left of keyboad) to ` ?
[20:49] <qswz> xev tells me that key is: twosuperior
[20:50] <ioria> sveinse,  looks like anothe bug ..
[20:50] <sveinse> ioria: what is?
[20:51] <ioria> sveinse,  can you paste   /lib/systemd/system/gdm3.service ?
[20:52] <sveinse> ioria: https://bpaste.net/show/74d301db36c6
[20:54] <qswz> I've read xmodmap is too old now?
[20:54] <ioria> sveinse,  do you see this line [Service] ExecStartPre=/usr/share/gdm/generate-config ? replace with    ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/xinit /usr/share/gdm/generate-config
[20:58] <sveinse> ioria: to take this to the very start: xorg+nvidia was working with three screens (interal+2 external). Resolution is fine. But not quite: gdm3 came up with picture on all screens and their placement ok. Once gnome-shell starts, wierd things happen with the displays
[20:59] <sveinse> ioria: done. didn't do anything
[20:59] <ioria> sveinse, revert it then
[21:00] <ioria> sveinse, no otherr options, sy; just reinstall nvidia and log in the Xorg session
[21:03] <ioria> sveinse, yes, maybe an option might be use unity-session, but it's a wild guess
[21:05] <salty> Is this a channel to ask Ubuntu support questions?
[21:06] <leftyfb> salty: yes, hence the name and topic
[21:06] <salty> OK. I'm using Ubuntu Mate 17.04. I've been trying to install stuff with both synaptic and the software boutique and I'm getting server access errors
[21:06] <leftyfb> !zesty | salty
[21:07] <leftyfb> !eolupgrades | salty
[21:07] <salty> Oh, well that explains things
[21:07] <salty> Anyone have a quick link with directions on how to upgrade?
[21:08] <sveinse> ioria: to the original issue, this is what happens when I log in to gnome-shell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwif7wEQIPU . Notice gdm3 in the beginning is fine. Then gnome decides to to haywire with some display config on its own
[21:08] <leftyfb> salty: I just gave you one
[21:08] <salty> Oh, sorry, yes I see it now. Sorry
[21:09] <salty> Thank you. Cheers everyone!
[21:10] <sveinse> ioria: since gdm3 manages to set right display config on its own, my hypothesis is that this is not a X issue, its a gnome issue
[21:16] <qswz> sudo rm -rf /var/lib/xkb/*
[21:16] <qswz> I'm scared to run that
[21:16] <qswz> what could go wrong?
[21:17] <qswz> http://www.fascinatingcaptain.com/blog/remap-keyboard-keys-for-ubuntu/#comment-490
[21:17] <donofrio> https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Graphics-Multiple-2048x1152-1920x1080/ I have four of these and they seem to take up too much cpu....
[21:17] <donofrio> anyone know how to get these usb video runnin with less cpu hit?
[21:18] <DJAnonimo> hello
[21:18] <qswz> Are Dell's ubuntus a good deal?
[21:18] <DJAnonimo> My Ubuntu is not connecting on WLAN if there is no LAN plugged in
[21:18] <sveinse> qswz: same as  :/$ ls -al /var/lib/xkb/*   and then oh, ok it should be deleted and then run  :/$ sudo rm -rf *   (DONT DO IT)
[21:18] <DJAnonimo> im connecting with SSH
[21:19] <qswz> so it's safe or not?
[21:19] <qswz> my understanding is linux will recompile if they are missing
[21:19] <sveinse> qswz: I don't know
[21:19] <qswz> ok
[21:19] <sveinse> sorry
[21:20] <Romalio> Hello!
[21:20] <Romalio> not sure if this is the right channel to ask...
[21:20] <Romalio> there is a command line based calculator named "bc"
[21:20] <pavlos> donofrio: page gives a 404
[21:20] <Romalio> sometimes it displays commas, and sometimes it doesn't
[21:20] <Romalio> example:
[21:20] <DJAnonimo> https://pastebin.com/R1gTAqd2  ---> here is /etc/network/interfaces
[21:20] <Romalio> 15/200
[21:20] <Romalio> 0
[21:21] <DJAnonimo> anyone can help?
[21:21] <leftyfb> qswz: mkdir ~/Desktop/xkb && sudo mv /var/lib/xkb/* ~/Desktop/xkb # this will make a backup
[21:21] <qswz> ah good point, thanks
[21:23] <qswz> (if keyboard gets broken I won't be even able to put the backup :s)
[21:23] <donalsd> Hello, guys. I have a Ubuntu dedicated server running on xeon that I have ssh access to over the internal network in my uni.
[21:24] <donalsd> The datacenter people are the ones who takes care of all the wiring and stuff. The server is connected to two ethernets (eno1- the connection to the internal uni network)
[21:25] <donalsd> Eno2(for public internet access)
[21:25] <pavlos> Romalio: type bc then scale=6 then 15/200
[21:25] <leftyfb> donalsd: 1 line for your question/issue would be best
[21:26] <Romalio> pavlos, thank you pavlos!  Is there any option to change this to be the default behavior?
[21:26] <donalsd> Since I have ssh access to the server, do I need to set up the internet connection somehow? Or will they do it from their side?
[21:26] <pavlos> Romalio: create a .bc in your home dir and add the scale line in there
[21:27] <leftyfb> donalsd: that's a question for the IT team at your uni
[21:27] <donalsd> As a general question, will I be able to set the internet up from my end?
[21:27] <Romalio> pavlos, how comes that you know this very exact problem / its solution by heart?
[21:28] <Romalio> pavlos, that's a miracle to me that I come here and get the right answer just within a minute
[21:28] <donalsd> Leftyfb: given that I have admin access to the server, and I can see that I'm connected via eno1 and there is an eno2 which is for the public network.
[21:28] <Romalio> thank you!!!
[21:28] <Romalio> pavlos, thank you very much!
[21:29] <leftyfb> donalsd: that has nothing to do with how internet traffic is routed out through the network. That is the IT dept.'s responsibility. You should contact them. Maybe test connectivity for yourself first though.
[21:30] <Romalio> pavlos, scale=6  worked when typed directly in bc.   However,  creating  a  .bc  file in ~  containing  scale=6 does not effect its behavior
[21:30] <akik> Romalio: i always start bc with -l so it knows the decimals
[21:31] <pavlos> Romalio: you might have to export BC_ENV_ARGS='/home/yourid/.bc'
[21:31] <donalsd> Leftyfb: so the best is to ask them to get the internet running on the server?
[21:31] <leftyfb> donalsd: correct. In particular, ip address/network information/credentials
[21:31] <Romalio> pavlos, after every system start?  or is this a 1-time-export?
[21:31] <Romalio> akik, also interesting, I will look it up in the man page - thank you
[21:31] <pavlos> Romalio: you can add it to your .bashrc
[21:32] <Romalio> pavlos, also exporting the variable did not help
[21:32] <Romalio> but -l helped
[21:33] <donalsd> Leftyfb: I have logged in through ssh, so I've covered that bit. I just can't run an apt-get update.
[21:33] <pavlos> Romalio: did you replace yourid with your actual id
[21:33] <leftyfb> donalsd: you have not covered that bit. You need a route out to the internet. Not in. Contact your IT depeartment.
[21:34] <donalsd> Ah, yes. Got it.
[21:37] <Romalio> pavlos, yes I did :)
[21:37] <Romalio> pavlos, -l works just fine, I will stick with that :)
[21:37] <Romalio> thank you pavlos and akik
[21:38] <pavlos> Romalio: I just added to my .bashrc that line, created a new term and bc works
[21:40] <Romalio> pavlos, I found the problem
[21:40] <Romalio> I have to write "export" in front of it
[21:40] <Romalio> not BC_ENV_ARGS='/home/yourid/.bc'   but   export BC_ENV_ARGS='/home/yourid/.bc'
[21:40] <Romalio> thank you :))
[21:41] <pavlos> Romalio: np
[21:42] <Romalio> just my not-important-opinion:  This should be default
[21:43] <Romalio> the question should be: what does the average or in this case even the majority of users expect as behavior?
[21:47] <pavlos> Romalio: "man bc" has a lengthy man page where you can read about the -l (mathlib) and other options
[21:49] <sveinse> What device do I set for boot loader installation when I want none? :(
[21:49] <leftyfb> sveinse: how will you boot?
[21:50] <pavlos> sveinse: no boot ???
[21:50] <sveinse> leftyfb: with the other partition's grub (which is newer)
[21:50] <sveinse> update-grub is able to find other Linux installations and add them to the grub menu, so the "other" installations dont need to install grub
[21:51] <donofrio> pavlos, mybad clipped some off the end of url - https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Graphics-Multiple-2048x1152-1920x1080/dp/B00A2E1MQA/
[21:51] <sveinse> but apparently the installer doesnt allow me to deselect it
[21:52] <sveinse> I suppose I have to overwrite the newer grub with and older one, and then rewrite the grub with the newer when done
[21:53] <sveinse> I want grub in both, but not the MBR writing
[21:54] <Ben64> put it on the partition...
[21:55] <sveinse> Ben64: of course. thanks
[21:59] <pavlos> donofrio: if you plug one of those, does lsusb give you a video controller info?
[22:02] <pavlos> donofrio: in the amazon page, under Incompatible Systems Mac OS X, Linux/Unix not supported
[22:08] <Gast_Linux> Hi, is there a german (speaking) chat (i.e. ubuntu_de)
[22:09] <Gast_Linux> Bye
[22:11] <rond_>  Hi! After installing matplotlib in virtualenv, i cannot use pip3 and basically everthing brakes. Traceback comes from this:   File "/home/tensorflow/bin/pip3", line 6, in <module>     from pkg_resources import load_entry_point  to this:   File "/home/tensorflow/lib/python3.5/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 2066, in _rebuild_mod_path     orig_path.sort(key=position_in_sys_path) AttributeError: '_NamespacePath' object ha
[22:11] <rond_> Does anybody know how to handle it?
[22:20] <reddice> salam
[22:23] <nacc> rond_: that seems more like a python question than an ubuntu one (you're not using the ubuntu pip3)
[22:24] <mwynne> Hi guys. Is this the right place to seek help with a Kernel panic I'm getting in Ubuntu Server 16.04?
[22:24] <nacc> mwynne: here or #ubuntu-server maybe
[22:24] <nacc> mwynne: which kernel?
[22:24] <nacc> mwynne: and, doing what?
[22:24] <mwynne> nacc: 4.4.0-109-generic
[22:24] <mateusz_> what is your problem
[22:25] <nacc> mwynne: do you have a log of the panic?
[22:25] <mwynne> nacc: http://paste.openstack.org/show/646958/
[22:26] <mwynne> That's one of many that I'm seeing
[22:26] <nacc> mwynne: that says 4.4.0-98
[22:26] <mwynne> nacc: Let me double check this..
[22:26] <reddice> hey guys
[22:27] <mwynne> nacc: Whoops. I pasted a version from the incorrect VM in here.
[22:28] <nacc> mwynne: np, it might still be relevant, but it's easiest to be sure it's happening the same with the latest kernel
[22:29] <mwynne> nacc: I'm running openstack on these VMs which afaik has some requirements on the kernel version.
[22:29] <vivid> is there a way to prevent windows from stealing focus from other windows in gnome-shell?
[22:29] <mwynne> Can I update to a later version that will have linux-image-extra packages?
[22:29] <nacc> mwynne: you may have better direct help in #ubuntu-server, only because the openstack folks for ubuntu are generally there
[22:30] <nacc> mwynne: i believe all published kernels have the -extra packages
[22:30] <mwynne> nacc: Sounds good. I'll hop on over there
[22:32] <dman777> hello, I did a successfull apt-get update and then tried to install vim-gtk but it sill complains with a 404 and Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update
[22:32] <nacc> dman777: what version of ubuntu?
[22:33] <dman777> nacc: lsb_release won't say...missing modules
[22:33] <dman777> uname shows  #46-Ubuntu
[22:33] <nacc> dman777: `lsb_release -a`
[22:33] <dman777> 17.04
[22:34] <nacc> dman777: it's EOL
[22:34] <nacc> !zesty | dman777
[22:34] <dman777> ah...ok. thanks
[22:34] <dman777> !eolupgrade
[22:35] <allizom> the factoid has a mistake in it
[22:35] <allizom> 2018 not 2017
[22:36] <nacc> allizom: heh
[22:39] <nacc> !zesty is Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) was the 26th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 13th, 2018. See !eol and !eolupgrade.
[22:39] <nacc> allizom: --^ hopefully that gets acked soonish
[22:40] <nacc> allizom: good catch!
[22:41] <allizom> ok!
[22:44] <dman777> what about apt-get dist-upgrade and I get a 404?
[22:46] <dax> !zesty =~ s/2017/2018/
[22:50] <Shadow}}> I need help please. But not thinkin it'll be as simple as I hoped after searching for solutions myself... Not that I know much of anything, Very basic user. However
[22:51] <arturo_> Soy nuevo en linux
[22:51] <arturo_> se puede usar itunes en ubuntu
[22:52] <sveinse> !english | arturo_
[22:52] <Shadow}}> Just installed Ubuntu 17.10 and have both a sound and video problem. It's not picking up my speakers unless jacked into the front headphone jack and it reads them as headphones. But I've sound so i'm really only here to try to change my screen resolution, but my display is unknown...
[22:53] <nacc> dax: i didn't know that syntax, thanks!
[22:53] <nacc> dman777: ... it's eol, like i said
[22:54] <arturo_> Hi, I'm new to Linux. You can use iTunes on Ubuntu.
[22:54] <allizom> arturo_: short answer no. what do you need it for?
[22:54] <Shadow}}> This desktop uses Nvidia stuff, The RAM cards, The Grapgics card(Maybe sound also?) and it has a nvidia designed/based processor... I merely wanted to change the resolution to my monitor's optimal of 1680x1050 @60hzs via terminal.
[22:55] <arturo_> I have an apple tv
[22:55] <MattMan_1> Hi, just installed ubunty-17.04 zesty server iso and apt-get update is failing to refresh all the repos data, getting 404 not found errors for all zesty dists, I know support is ending in January 2018, have the dist locations been removed already ?
[22:55] <Shadow}}> However, xrandr says it cannot open Display
[22:55] <dman777> nacc: so that means install from scratch?
[22:55] <arturo_> allizom: I have an apple tv
[22:55] <nacc> !eolupgrade | dman777
[22:56] <nacc> dman777: i believe you already read that faq; perhaps read it again
[22:56] <allizom> arturo_: ..and?
[22:57] <Shadow}}> Anyone? ... I've been working on getting my computer going again since I woke up...
[22:57] <dman777> nacc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades said I had a choice of upgrade or from scratch. It also said to to do apt-get dist-upgrade which I can't do because of EOL
[22:57] <nacc> dman777: did you update your sources.list first?
[22:58] <arturo_> allizom: I have an apple tv and I want to see if it's compatible
[22:58] <allizom> compatible as in what do you need to do?
[22:58] <Shadow}}> I simply need to know what must be done to get xrandr to be able to open the display, as it says it cannot. OR someone tell me an easier way to just change the dang resolution... It's maddening.
[22:58] <MattMan> ubottu: thanks for the url https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases, I see zesty EOL'd on Jan 13th... sigh... I can't upgraed to 17.10 as Openstack's devstack is not supported yet on 17.10
[22:59] <dman777> nacc: mine has the codename of my release...zesty
[22:59] <dman777> with CODENAME being your release, e.g. quantal.
[22:59] <Shadow}}> Well can someone tell me what I should be asking or finding out, or how to format my question of help then at least...
[23:00] <nacc> dman777: perhaps the wiki page could be clearer, but you need to change archive URL to old-releases
[23:00] <nacc> dman777: again, read the page :)
[23:00] <dman777> kk, thanks
[23:01] <Shadow}}> Really. No one can solve this easily?
[23:02] <Shadow}}> I do not understand why it shows as an Unknown Display ...
[23:03] <Shadow}}> So... Please, Anyone~ Sigh.  It's just this issue isn't like anything I've had to fix...
[23:05] <Shadow}}> Am I muted and don't realize it or just being ignored? e_o
[23:05] <allizom> Shadow}}: !patience
[23:05] <Shadow}}> Thank you.
[23:05] <allizom> what's the command you've tried?
[23:05] <Jordan_U> Shadow}}: If nobody knows the answer to your question, then nobody will respond.  I figured that...but..idk how to do run it outside graphics...
[23:08] <Shadow}}> But that'd explain the "Can't Open Display :0"
[23:08] <Jordan_U> Shadow}}: No, running it from a tty wouldn't work (without some preparation). I asked because I thought that might be what you had tried.
[23:08] <Shadow}}> Oh no. The built in term is all I ever use...
[23:08] <Jordan_U> Shadow}}: My guess is that the problem is you're running under a Wayland session, so there is no Xorg for xrandr to talk to.
[23:09] <Shadow}}> I just installed this version of Ubuntu when I got up earlier. A Wayland session? I saw that word earlier...idr where...
[23:11] <Jordan_U> Shadow}}: You probably don't need to worry about Wayland for the moment (if you're curious I can explain more about it). Most likely you want to install the proprietary Nvidia drivers which will probably fix your resolution problem.
[23:11] <Shadow}}> Yes.
[23:11] <Jordan_U> (And may fix you audio problem if you're trying to do audio over hdmi)
[23:11] <Shadow}}> I tried in settings but... Yeah. Takes actual know how, then I forgot bout that while learning bout xrandr
[23:12] <Jordan_U> Shadow}}: Open Software Sources, then go to the "Additional Drivers" tab. (I may have both of those names slightly off, I'm not sitting in front of an Ubuntu machine at the moment).
[23:13] <Shadow}}> Done.
[23:13] <Jordan_U> Shadow}}: Does it offer any Nvidia drivers to install?
[23:15] <Shadow}}> Wait so when it pulls these up, and the nvidia one was set to the second choice it had, not the proprietary... Ugh forgot what i was asking *goes back to reading it*
[23:17] <Shadow}}> ...How was I that ignorant... It was the second thing I did, Yet read it and ignored it telling me I was using the open source driver and was considered an alternate driver to my nvidia force g card...
[23:18] <Shadow}}> Thank you so much Jordan_U ! I at least learned alot today, And recalled even more~ I'll be back to tell ya it worked, I'm assuming with some updates and changes after this reboot it'll be great.
[23:42]  * Rueck
[23:54] <LiftLeft> My wifi keeps disconnecting. I'm was using an external wifi adapter, but that broke. So I have to use the internal adapter now. I was having trouble with it with it a year ago but I was to lazy to fix it. I dunno, where to start.
[23:55] <roses> are file transfers slower due to meltdown/spectre fix?
[23:58] <LiftLeft> roses: I don't think so. cpu doesn't really effect file transfer speeds meltdown only really slows down your computer by like 5%


[00:00] <viewer|32> good idea.. I'll do that
[00:04] <krytarik> @sahariaza: Trying to make some sense out of your message, are you saying your laptop can't cope with Plasma?
[00:22] <user|71444> I'm a complete newby. I tried to install kubuntu. I got 100s of Gb on my harddrive, but on starting installation, the programme said "you need xxxMB on your harddisk, you've got 0.0Kb". Anyone a solution?
[00:23] <viewer|12> So I was in here earlier about my back/forth buttons on my mouse and in the live environment they both work system wide/browser.  Is there a way to completely restore your mouse settings to default?  A pref file I could delete maybe?
[00:29] <krytarik> viewer|12: Well, I believe in every settings module there is a button to restore things to default.  I wonder though if it's indeed just user settings or system-wide changes you might have caused due to fiddling - a login to a newly created test user could confirm this one way or the other.
[00:30] <viewer|12> yeah Im going to do that now.  Thank you for your assist
[00:32] <viewer|12> Do you know if a pref file exists for the mouse that can be deleted like on windows and macos?  Also I tried resetting to default and yes, I was metting around with the mouse wheel speed and that probably when the buttons stopped working.
[00:33] <krytarik> No, apart from through the user interface, I don't know.
[00:33] <viewer|12> ok thank you
[00:37] <Mamarok> user|71444: how exactly did you try to install? You need an empty partition on your harddrive for an isntallation
[00:47] <viewer|17> so yeah uhh my mouse buttons worked fine in the test user.  I cant find much online about resetting my mouse to default besides the "default" on the pref panel.
[01:00] <krytarik> viewer|17: Ok, that's great at least!  Just wait around a bit for someone who knows another way of resetting it, or you could also ask in #kde by typing "/join #kde"
[01:01] <viewer|17> right on thanks for the help!
[01:01] <krytarik> You're welcome!
[01:01] <viewer|17> Im just going to rebuild my profile.  Have a good one
[01:02] <krytarik> Haha yeah, that's another way of doing it.. XD
[01:12] <aiena> how do disable window moving with alt+lmb
[01:14] <aiena> found the solution on SO sorry.
 Hello folks
[01:19] <viperperidot[m]> Hello I am thinking about switching to Kubuntu from Ubuntu, just wanted to see why everyone likes Kubuntu better?
 Because it feels like a desktop, not like a tablet
[02:19] <aiena> viperperidot[m]: the main difference is the DE. Both are equally good. I feel ubuntu using gnome is more stable than KDE. Also most of the apps I use are qt based so a lighter system and no mixing of gnome and kde behaviour
[02:20] <aiena> I like KDE as it has a look and feel more similar to windows so it's not very jarring when jumping between OSs but of late I've made my windows look like ubuntu with the menu on the right.
[02:21] <aiena> It also comed down to how much of troubleshooting you've done for each DE the one which you've had more problems with you will easily be able to solve more problems about
[02:22] <valorie> not just the DE -- Kubuntu provides KDE software
[02:22] <valorie> of course you can use gnome software in Kubuntu as well
[02:22] <aiena> yes but that true for ubutu too
[02:22] <valorie> we're all Ubuntu
[02:22] <aiena> ubuntu provides nautlus etc like kde provide dolphin
[02:23] <valorie> yep
[02:23] <aiena> one is gome based
[02:23] <valorie> I used to use both but have settled on all KDE software with a few indie bits
[02:23] <aiena> I've used both and am confortable with both. I use KDE because I use krita etc. an less gnome, QT, KDE mashup the better
[02:24] <aiena> I find there are good and bad things of both DEs
[02:25] <aiena> like I prefer gnomes file manager to KDEs but hate gnomes ridiculous defaults and difficulty to configure
[02:25] <aiena> i think what makes me prefer KDE is the more consistent look and feel with the main apps I use
[02:26] <aiena> and having not to pull too much to compile KDE based apps
[02:26] <valorie> yes, the software is beautiful
[02:27] <aiena> gnome is nice too once you adjust to it. Now I am wiser to each ones quirks
[02:27] <valorie> I miss the freedom I feel in KDE software
[02:27] <valorie> the designers want you to use their software their way
[02:28] <aiena> kubuntu sucks a bit as in the plasmashell turns black often and I need to replace the plasmashell
[02:28] <aiena> valorie: isnt that the philosophy of linux
[02:28] <aiena> your the boss choose whatever you like or make it and roll
[02:28] <valorie> aiena: I've not had that problem for years
[02:29] <aiena> valorie: yeah i dont know what causes it but its gone now for a while
[02:29] <aiena> when it rears its head just replacing the shell works i have yakuake as emergency and my main terminal even if start menu dissapears its there
[02:30] <aiena> valorie: I have a weid problem not sure its a kubuntu default
[02:30] <aiena> when I make app shortcuts on the desktop i need to triple click for them to launch
[02:30] <aiena> i thought it was my mouse button but in dolphin double clcking launches the app
[02:31] <aiena> its a bit annoying. ANy ideas
[02:31] <valorie> krunner is not part of plasmashell so you always have that as well
[02:31] <valorie> alt+space
[02:31] <valorie> sorry, dunno
[02:31] <valorie> I just pin stuff in the panel
[02:32] <valorie> don't really use the desktop
[02:32] <aiena> okie
[02:32] <valorie> using the desktop seems old-fashioned to me
[02:40] <aiena> why
[02:40] <aiena> i use the desktop mainly for userland compiled apps
[02:40] <aiena> or those outside the repo management
[02:40] <aiena> because searhc will show up folders at that time
[02:40] <aiena> *search
[02:41] <aiena> i think i could workaroun it with functions in bashrc but that is another pain
[02:41] <aiena> i dont remember this problem in kde 4
[02:43] <aiena> valorie: but otherwise you are right i just use the start menu search or launch from terminal for everything else when i just want ty bypass the DE
[02:44] <valorie> I use krunner pretty often
[02:44] <valorie> for all kinds of stuff
[02:51] <aiena> valorie: how can you add custom shortcuts to krunner
[02:52] <valorie> I don't -- just start typing and choose from there
[02:52] <valorie> if you have a shortcut why use krunner
[02:53] <aiena> valorie: you mean to say you type the full path to the compiled app each time
[02:53] <aiena> to launch it
[02:53] <valorie> oh, I don't compile stuff
[02:53] <aiena> exactly i need shortcuts only for compiled stuff
[02:53] <valorie> and if I do, I put it into the $PATH
[02:54] <valorie> #kde-devel might help with that
[02:54] <valorie> sorry, have a meeting rn
[02:54] <aiena> take care
[04:49] <natis1> Dumb question but is there a graphical way to update from kubuntu 20.04 to 20.10 or do I need to do sudo do-release-upgrade
[05:25] <linzi> hello
[05:25] <linzi> somebody in ?
 Just ask your question and someone will get back to you
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/GlfCMDA9/file_38540.jpg
 why its showing ubuntu Rather than kubuntu
 how to it fix
[07:57] <guiverc> @SharGen19, that maybe related to your version of `neofetch`.  Your base system is Ubuntu, which is what neofetch used to report for all Ubuntu flavors, only recent versions switched to providing full flavor logo & name, at least that's my understanding
[08:39] <Guest16775> hello
 @SharGen19, https://github.com/dylanaraps/neofetch/issues/1461
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Hello
[13:17] <BluesKaj> @Swift110, hi
 Hi everybody
 I'd like to set KDE as top priority task, so, if an application load CPU to full throttle, the windows manager continues to be reactive
 In other words I'd like to say to the PC that the window manager is the most important task over all others
 Could anyone help me ? Thank you
[14:36] <user|17374> Help
[14:37] <user|17374> Remove xorg and kubuntu desktop
[14:37] <user|17374> please help me install this package
[14:37] <BluesKaj> which pkg?
[14:38] <user|17374> kubuntu desktop
[14:38] <user|17374> Kubuntu 20.04
 How are you blueskaj
[16:19] <BluesKaj> @Swift110, doing ok here, and you?
 I'm great just about to eat and read my channel
 Как же заебала эта свистопляска с драйверами видеокарт, ёб вашу мать! … Почему нельзя запихать в дистрибутив дрова от amd сразу с opencl? Почему нельзя без левых репозиториев завести грёбаный proton в steam? 🤬
 how to install plasma-systemmonitor-5.20.0?
[18:26] <diogenes_> mirror13, на винду переходи
 @SharGen19, Build and install Qt
 @SharGen19, Build and install Qt 5.15, Ksyguard 5.20, then build https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-systemmonitor
[19:44] <Guest67492> hello
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