[09:00] <Kilos> hi superfly inetpro paddatrapper pavlushka nlsthzn theblazehen chesedo and other za peeps
[09:00] <paddatrapper> hi oom Kilos
[09:00] <superfly> hello Kilos!
[09:00] <Kilos> tomorrow this time ill be at the airport
[09:00] <superfly> Kilos: :-(
[09:01] <Kilos> ai!
[09:01] <Kilos> much sadness here already
[09:07] <pavlushka> Greetings Kilos .
[09:07] <Kilos> that ekiga prob is a 14.04 prob pavlushka
[09:08] <pavlushka> aha
[09:33] <chesedo> hallo oom Kilos
[09:34] <chesedo> Kilos: you guys should be doing stuff ( as much as you are allowed) and not focus on next week yet :D
[09:38] <Kilos> im leaving tomorrow chesedo
[09:38] <Kilos> hard to focus on anything else
[09:39] <chesedo> Kilos: oh boy... i read that as next week... yeah then it can be hard
[09:40] <chesedo> stongs oom Kilos
[09:40] <Kilos> ty lad
[10:52] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[20:09] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[20:19] <Kilos> o/
[21:53] <superfly> Good morning Kilos
[22:03] <Kilos> hi  there superfly
[22:04] <Kilos> you ok?
[22:04] <Kilos> sorry in and out packing
[22:10] <superfly> ya, I'm fine


[00:00] <penguin42> hmph, didn't get a 60
[00:17] <powderfinger> join #lua
[08:28] <popey> morning
[08:32] <czajkowski> morning
[08:36] <christel> morning lovelies
[08:44] <czajkowski> christel: ello
[08:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:04] <Myrtti> meh, I wish Launchpad would support Android translations
[09:04] <Myrtti> or Rosetta rather
[09:23] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:30] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:30] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:30] <MooDoo> brobostigon: how are you?
[09:31] <brobostigon> MooDoo: could be better, this heat is playing with my eczema. and you?
[09:31] <MooDoo> i'm at work, so in the air con, thanksfully it's quiet.
[09:32] <brobostigon> thats good, some can be very loud.
[09:38] <MooDoo> yeah it's fine though, people appear to be staying away from their computers :)
[09:40] <brobostigon> ok.
[09:46] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:47] <MooDoo> hi alan
[10:00] <christel> good mooorning
[10:20] <popey> quiet today
[10:25] <MooDoo> popey: has been quiet over the weekend
[10:26] <MooDoo> morning christel
[10:31] <christel> hello MooDoo :)
[10:48]  * gord wishes everyone a merry mailmans day
[11:03] <dogmatic69> anyone running tor?
[11:26] <brobostigon> is there an equivilant to debians apt-listbugs , for lucid server ?
[12:06] <dogmatic69> anyone reading about this? http://www.channel4.com/news/black-boxes-to-monitor-all-internet-and-phone-data
[12:13] <dogmatic69> one week they pass laws on using cookies, the next reading your emails...
[12:29] <penguin42> dogmatic69: I can't see how they would monitor gmail/facebook unless they started doing ssl falsification and that would be seriously offensive
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> modern browsers even detect that
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> if you've visited the site before and it gets a new cert
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> it'll warn
[12:35] <TheGurkha> Hi Folks, first timer, just lurking to get the hang of things..
[12:35] <dogmatic69> penguin42: mitm on a massive scale
[12:35] <popey> hello TheGurkha
[12:36] <TheGurkha> cheers Popey
[12:36] <popey> there's a new feature in openssl iirc which allows this and makes it transparent MartijnVdS
[12:36] <dogmatic69> sup TheGurkha
[12:36] <ali1234> what is "this"
[12:37] <dogmatic69> Not that I am a security expert, but am thinking tor + vpn should safegaurd things
[12:37] <TheGurkha> Hi dogmatic69
[12:38] <ali1234> no, the only thing that will make you safe is face to face key swapping with trusted friends
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> and even some of those can be bought.
[12:39] <dogmatic69> :(
[12:40] <dogmatic69> what about this tor thing? from what I read it can send masses of rubbish when the connection is idle?
[12:40] <dogmatic69> If a lot of people done that I would break what ever they tried to implement
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkspiel
[12:45] <bigcalm_laptop> Ello peeps :)
[12:46] <dogmatic69> sup bigcalm_laptop
[12:50] <popey> bigcalm, happy belated birthday
[12:50] <dogmatic69> ali1234: how about more votes for The Pirate Party?
[12:51] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: thank you :) I saw the irssi emails yesterday but was having a day off from computers ;)
[12:51] <popey> heh
[12:51] <popey> lies
[12:51] <bigcalm_laptop> Well...
[12:51] <popey> you saw the emails on what?
[12:51] <bigcalm_laptop> My phone
[12:51] <bigcalm_laptop> Whilst I was in the middle of a wood
[12:52] <bigcalm_laptop> On a ramble with my parents
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> middle of a wood ircing++
[12:53]  * MartijnVdS is doing it as well
[12:57] <penguin42> just the rustle of the leaves, the tweeting of birds and the beep of his IRC
[12:59] <brobostigon> and rain, as we have here.
[12:59] <bigcalm_laptop> Proof: https://plus.google.com/113834766641843352499/posts/ipkMTcMf2vE
[13:05] <penguin42> hmm pretty
[13:46] <jesper> Hey. I was wondering if someone could help me out. I'm trying to install Ubuntu 12.04 Desktop using a USB stick, but the install fails with a sequence of error messages, the last one being "ata 7: hard resetting link". I suspect it's something to do with my SSD. I don't have an HDD.
[13:47] <popey> interesting
[13:47] <popey> I have SSDs in all my 12.04 machines
[13:48] <popey> jesper, does your ubuntu machine dual boot with windows or is it clean?
[13:49] <jesper> I have windows 7 on it at the moment, i'd like to have a dual boot system. I haven't created the partition for Ubuntu yet though.
[13:49] <popey> did the computer come with windows 7?
[13:49] <popey> if so, probably there's 4 primary partitions, which is the maximum number of primary partitions you can have on one disk
[13:50] <jesper> it came with a trial version of windows 7 premium, i've since installed the licensed version.
[13:51] <popey> what are you booted to now?
[13:52] <jesper> windows 7
[13:52] <popey> open disk administrator.. are there 4 partitions on disk 0?
[13:53] <jesper> no, just checked it - there are two
[13:53] <jesper> "System Reserved" and (C:)
[13:53] <popey> interesting
[13:56] <popey> the hard resetting link usually indicates disk or cable failure I think
[13:57] <jesper> right, the thing that confuses me though is that windows says the ssd is fine, and it installed without any problems
[13:58] <popey> hang on ata7?
[13:58] <popey> how many disks does this machine have?
[13:58] <jesper> just a single ssd
[13:59] <jesper> yeah, it hangs after the error message above
[14:00] <jesper> it's only the last of a series of messages though. the whole series can be seem in comment #2 at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/200217
[14:00] <jesper> *seen
[14:29] <andylockran> hey guys
[14:29] <andylockran> I need to find a place to host an old joomla 1.0 site whilst I finish off a new site
[14:29] <andylockran> any recomemndations - require php < 5.2
[14:31] <penguin42> andylockran: Bytemark vm ?
[14:42] <andylockran> thanks
[14:43] <dogmatic69> andylockran: rackspace? less than 10 quid pm, pay what you use, and install php3 if you like
[14:44] <penguin42> andylockran: Oh if you do use bytemark please say it was a recommendation from VM 'treblig'
[15:01] <dogmatic69> nothing like loosing the V5 right around renewal time :/
[17:36] <popey> gord, now i have this water cool thing.. I guess I could overclock the core2duo E6700 a bit
[17:37] <popey> its 2.66GHz at the moment. I had pondered doing the very final upgrade that this pc will ever see.. moving to a quad core q6600 cpu
[17:37] <popey> to stretch the life a bit more
[17:37] <popey> but actually just nudging up the multiplier should work?
[17:37] <penguin42> moving to the quad will probably be a much better increase
[17:39] <popey> 200 quid new though for a q6600
[17:39] <popey> which is 2.4Ghz
[17:39] <penguin42> really? I'm sure an i7 is about the same price
[17:40] <popey> yeah, I'm not replacing mobo/ram etc
[17:40] <popey> just want to do the final thing to get this as fast as it will ever get
[17:40] <penguin42> nod
[17:40] <popey> 2nd hand q6600's can be had on ebay for ~60
[17:40] <popey> dunno whether to get a 2nd user cpu tho?
[17:40] <popey> opinions sought
[17:41] <penguin42> yeh sounds a bit dodgy - never done it; you don't know how hot the last guy cooked it
[17:43] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Core-2-Quad-Q6600-SLACR-G0-Processor-2-4GHz-EXCELLENT-COND-/261054888691?pt=UK_Computing_CPUs_Processors&hash=item3cc8157af3
[17:43] <popey> for example
[17:44] <penguin42> popey: http://uk.webuy.com/product.php?sku=SCPUBDNA10   and I think they have a guarentee against it being dead
[17:45] <popey> oh, ta
[17:46] <penguin42> popey: Although that ebay one looks in suspiciously good condition if that really is a picture of it - I mean when does anyone keep the box and packaging? and the base of the heatsink looks pristine - either that's not the real picture or it's not actually been used
[17:55] <popey> says the heatsink wasnt used
[17:56] <penguin42> ah
[18:52] <n1md4> Radeon HD 5450 or GeForce GT 430 ?
[18:53] <Azelphur> n1md4: for gaming?
[18:54] <Azelphur> n1md4: it really depends on use case :p
[18:54] <n1md4> both for htpc and gaming, must be silent and cool though ... not sure if that's an oxymoron
[18:54] <Azelphur> are you gaming on Linux?
[18:54] <Azelphur> or just on Windows
[18:54] <n1md4> Both.
[18:54] <Seeker`> GT430 for video on linux
[18:54] <Azelphur> yea, take the nvidia
[18:54] <Azelphur> the AMD drivers and wine don't get along very well
[18:54] <n1md4> is that with open drivers too?
[18:55] <Azelphur> no, that's with the proprietary drivers
[18:55] <Azelphur> AMD has better open drivers, but they arn't really up to spec for gaming (yet)
[18:55] <n1md4> I'd only play native games, no emulation.
[18:55] <Seeker`> nvidia has better on-board decoding AFAIK
[18:56] <Azelphur> n1md4: you still may run into problems using the amd proprietary / open drivers
[18:56] <Azelphur> if you want gaming on Linux, the answer is nvidia right now really
[18:56] <Seeker`> n1md4: is open drivers actually a requirement?
[18:56] <Azelphur> in the future (1-2 years) hopefully AMD will take the crown
[18:56] <Azelphur> but right now, nvidia proprietary is the best option
[18:57] <Azelphur> (speaking as someone who owns about 10 high end AMD and nvidia cards and tries things out quite often)
[18:58] <n1md4> Ah, okay, that's useful to know :) thanks.
[18:59] <Azelphur> n1md4: in like 1 or 2 years it'll swap round, AMD will be better
[18:59] <Azelphur> and nvidia is far from perfect
[18:59]  * Azelphur awaits the day he can ditch nvidia
[19:00] <n1md4> Am I right to assume AMD is more supportive than nVIDIA?  or are they much the same
[19:00] <penguin42> n1md4: AMD has released all the docs and so yes
[19:00] <Azelphur> AMD is much more supportive, they provide hardware specs and have engineers dedicated to working on the open source driver
[19:03] <n1md4> I'm looking at this from AMD http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-512MB-Radeon-Silent-profile/dp/B003CLSH3Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341169325&sr=8-1 and http://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-GeForce-PCI-E-Profile-Bracket/dp/B0046Y4ONK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341169270&sr=8-1 for the nVIDIA card; I'm not after the latest greatest..  do they seem reasonable for hd movies and light gaming?
[19:04] <Azelphur> they both arn't going to have much grunt in games
[19:04] <Azelphur> the AMD card will be quieter it appears to be fanless
[19:04] <n1md4> right
[19:05] <n1md4> I'm really not too fussed about the gaming; openareana, supcom, simcity ;)
[19:05] <n1md4> so maybe the AMD is the winner in this case.
[19:06] <Azelphur> the nvidia card benches about 3 times better than the amd one
[19:06] <Azelphur> but yea, for games like that you don't need much
[19:07] <Azelphur> hopefully it'll all work fine on either the open source or proprietary amd driver, if not it's only £25
[19:07] <n1md4> the nv is a more at 50, but still cheap
[19:09] <n1md4> Azelphur: where did you see the benchtests?
[19:09] <Azelphur> n1md4: toms hardware
[19:09] <n1md4> ah cool
[19:09] <Azelphur> gt 430 is about 3x faster through 3dmark
[19:15] <n1md4> Lastly then, could you recommend a good card, that's cool and quiet?
[19:16] <Azelphur> n1md4: not really, I'm more into "screw noise go fast" cards
[19:16] <Azelphur> "what is this power of which you wish to be conservative with" :D
[19:17] <n1md4> ;) fair enough, it's the hybrid nature of the beast of which I need to tame.
[19:17] <Azelphur> n1md4: I just slung a 5870 in my HTPC
[19:17] <Azelphur> never been an issue
[19:19] <n1md4> I've got a 4870 and a 2900, both were too loud :)  the 4870 actually made the room too hot too, running at around 70C ... it's on 24/7.
[19:20] <Azelphur> lol
[19:20] <Azelphur> n1md4: that's not how you heat a room, this is how you heat a room https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2011/May/IMG_20110525_034107.jpg :P
[19:24] <n1md4> hah!  that's awesome!  reminds me of a time I attempted to build a rock linux cluster
[19:24] <n1md4> is that a crt! old skool ;)
[19:29] <Azelphur> n1md4: haha, the CRT obviously only gets used for occasional debugging
[19:29] <Azelphur> just some old dumpy thing I had laying about
[20:10]  * popey pokes AlanBell
[20:10] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[20:10] <gord> popey, overclocked my 2.7ghz quad core to a 3ghz machine recently, only about 5 degrees rise in temperature
[20:11] <gord> with the water cooling, i only have one fan on my radiator as well
[20:11] <gord> might put another on there for funsies
[20:11] <popey> ooh
[20:12] <popey> wonder what i could crank the 2.4GHz to
[20:12]  * popey attempts madness
[20:12] <popey> or science
[20:12] <gord> my mb has a wizard thing for overclocking, i'm on the better performance setting. i tried the super dupa 3.3ghz setting, linux works fine but windows just bsods :(
[20:13] <gord> i don't know what the turbo setting would do, maybe set things on fire
[20:13] <popey> yeah, mine has a wizard too
[20:16] <AlanBell> did anyone see any leap-second problems?
[20:17] <czajkowski> oh via my G+ stream
[20:17] <czajkowski> a few people are having issues
[20:18] <Seeker`> AlanBell: screwed up mythtv
[20:27]  * popey tires of the #boycottapple crap
[20:27] <Seeker`> popey: why this time? Android bans?
[20:27] <popey> ya
[20:27] <Seeker`> eugh, tis silly
[20:28] <Seeker`> both the patent battles, and how people react to them
[20:28] <AlanBell> Google does not need my assistance
[20:30] <Seeker`> Best thing I've seen this week: All of the Americans stating they'll move to Canada because they dont like the idea of socialised healthcare
[20:31] <n1md4> Azelphur: Are you around?  My laptop has a ATI Whistler [AMD Radeon HD 6600M Series], so after a little more looking around I found Asus ATI Radeon HD6450, will they be of similar quality?
[20:31] <Azelphur> n1md4: the 6450 will be significantly lower
[20:31] <n1md4> Hmm
[20:32] <n1md4> Is there a feature list for the different model types?  (could save a few questions)
[20:32] <Azelphur> n1md4: it's quite simple really, the first digit is the series, the last 3 digits is the model number, higher model number = better
[20:33] <Azelphur> so for example a 5970 would kick the crap out of a 6450
[20:33] <n1md4> right
[20:33] <Azelphur> 800+ is for enthusiasts
[20:33] <Azelphur> 9xx are usually a dual gpu version of the 8xx series
[20:33] <n1md4> ahhh which is why the 2900 had comparable performance (in my untrained eye) to the 4870 ?
[20:34] <Azelphur> yea, you'll find that the 2900 was probably a twin card too
[20:34] <gord> #boycottboycottapple!
[20:34] <n1md4> 600 and 670, alike enough to notice a different?
[20:35] <Azelphur> n1md4: the 670 would be faster I think
[20:35] <Azelphur> especially since your comparing a mobile gpu to a desktop one
[20:37] <Azelphur> n1md4: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html is a pretty useful page
[20:46] <popey> gord, is there documentation in unity about what a lens should return ?
[20:46] <popey> i.e. the structure of the thing, image, text description, url it links to for example?
[20:47]  * popey wonders if AlanBell knows this given his fun with the pron lens :)
[20:47] <gord> there should be, though i don't know where documentation is
[20:47] <popey> :(
[20:49] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1070102/
[20:49] <popey> ripped from the video lens, look sane?
[20:49] <popey> dnd uri?
[20:50] <gord> drag and drop, has to be of a special format (freedesktop.org specifications). like application://firefox.desktop and stuff like that
[20:50] <gord> the rest looks exactly like what i deal with in the dash yeah
[20:50] <popey> ahh
[20:50] <popey> ta
[21:05] <Azelphur> Does anyone know how I might check if my 32bit libgl version isn't the same as my kernel?
[21:05] <Azelphur> my wine recently broke, and apparently that's probably the issue
[21:17] <n1md4> Azelphur: that's an ace site, thanks.
[21:17] <Azelphur> yw
[21:20] <popey> yay gord thanks got it working :D
[21:20]  * popey has a lens
[21:21] <popey> WARN  2012-07-01 22:17:21 unity.iconloader IconLoader.cpp:536 Unable to load icon redacted.jpg at size 64: Operation not supported
[21:21] <popey> ^^ does the lens not support jpegs?
[21:21] <gord> of course it can, where is redacted.jpg supposed to be?
[21:21] <popey> its a url
[21:21] <popey> i removed it
[21:22] <popey> but it is a valid url
[21:22] <gord> Operation not supported suggests that gio tried to go to the url but was refused read access
[21:22] <popey> hmm, wonder why that is, it's just an http accessible image
[21:23] <popey> wonder if it needs escaping or url encoding or something
[21:26] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[21:26] <gord> i'm not sure if it works behind a proxy if you are behind one, can use UNITY_NEKO=1 unity to see if http is working at all
[21:26] <bigcalm> Unified cat?
[21:27] <popey> i am not behind a proxy
[21:31] <popey> gord, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1003124
[21:31] <popey> seems I'm not alone
[21:32] <gord> shrug
[21:34] <bigcalm> How does the Spotify lens work then?
[21:38] <popey> ahh, looks like a problem with other lenses too
[21:38] <popey> reckon i need a restart
[21:38] <popey> something is not running somewhere
[21:39] <popey> time for a restart :D
[21:44] <bigcalm> Sounds a bit fishy to me
[21:46] <popey> \o/ works
[22:03] <Laney> jus' casually snapping bits of my motherboard off
[22:03] <bigcalm> Laney: while it's running I hope
[22:03] <Laney> unfortunately not
[22:03] <Laney> was testing if it's the graphics card that makes my desktop insanely loud
[22:03] <Laney> answer: yes
[22:09] <dogmatic69> bought a cheep gigabit network card from maplins on the weekend, claims linux support in broken English. Wish me luck
[22:12] <bigcalm> Maplin is singular :)
[22:13] <czajkowski> pedant
[22:13] <bigcalm> czajkowski: me :)
[22:14] <directhex> dogmatic69, if it's a commonly used chip, it'll just work
[22:14] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: :P
[22:15] <bigcalm> Like Americans saying Legos :(
[22:15] <dogmatic69> directhex: I hope so, the booklet has ./make instructions in broken English too :D
[22:15] <directhex> dogmatic69, which chip is on it?
[22:15] <dogmatic69> hmm, its a micronet card.
[22:16] <dogmatic69> RMC chip on it, want the number?
[22:16] <dogmatic69> RTL8169SC
[22:16] <directhex> realtek
[22:16] <directhex> supported by everything ever
[22:16] <dogmatic69> cool
[22:16] <directhex> modinfo r8169
[22:17] <popey> author:         Realtek and the Linux r8169 crew<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:17] <popey> heh
[22:17] <popey> why am I thinking of them dressed as rappers
[22:17] <dogmatic69> hehe
[22:39] <bigcalm> It's him!
[22:40] <Seeker`> bigcalm: shhhh, you'll invoke his wrath!
[22:46] <bigcalm> Sleepy time :)
[23:42] <Azelphur> Is there any way to get a file browser up, but for a remote computer, so that I can easily move files between drives on that machine?
[23:43] <Azelphur> I mount the drives via NFS at the moment, but moving a file means downloading and then reuploading it
[23:43] <Azelphur> I wonder if I mounted /media instead of /media/1 /media/2... it'd move files without redownloading them
[23:43] <Azelphur> think it would actually, I should do that
[23:44]  * Azelphur self solves


[01:39]  * hakimsheriff is trying to contact burgandavia and dscassel
[03:11] <KombuchaKip> [thor]: Who knows.
[22:51] <BobJonkman> Is there an IRC meeting tonite?
[22:54] <BobJonkman> hypatia is not online, dscassel is napping...
[23:05] <BobJonkman> Hmm...  I originally thought this was sent at 5:25PM (but apparently this was 5:25AM): https://twitter.com/flying_squirrel/status/13902284018688000
[23:22] <dscassel> BobJonkman: IRC meetimg tonight!
[23:23] <BobJonkman> I'm at a client site; may not be able to join in... :-(
[23:24] <dscassel> Yeah, it may be a short meeting.
[23:24] <dscassel> I was only just managed to let the -website team know we're talking about the site.
[23:25] <dscassel> txwikinger isn't around either.  Not sure what he's been up to lately.
[23:26] <dscassel> Meeting agenda is here:  Ubuntu Canada LocoTeam channel! Welcome! | http://www.ubuntu-ca.org/ | WikiPage: https
[23:26] <dscassel> Meeting agenda (try that again): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2010-12-12
[23:54] <dscassel> And, of course, just when we're going to talk about it, the website is down.
[23:54] <dscassel> *sigh*
[23:58] <dscassel> Anyone here for the meeting?


[00:11] <thumper> omg... setting up a new family PC
[00:11] <thumper> has windows 7 on it
[00:11] <thumper> already rebooted 3 times
[00:11] <thumper> and I've not even installed the first bit of software
[00:11]  * thumper will make it dual boot with precise
[00:33] <ajmitch> thumper: and then you'll have to install updates for each piece of software you install
[00:38]  * ojwb wonders if ajmitch is talking about ubuntu or windows 7 there
[00:38] <ajmitch> both, especially if you install ubuntu from a 12.04 beta 2 ISO
[00:39] <ojwb> ah
[00:39] <ojwb> it seems maverick dies today
[00:40] <ajmitch> yay
[00:40]  * ajmitch upgraded his desktop at home to precise in the weekend
[00:40] <ajmitch> work desktop still runs lucid
[00:41]  * ibeardslee shudders to think what people have floating around here
[00:42] <ojwb> the update tool does at least prompt you
[00:42]  * ajmitch doesn't use the update tool
[00:42] <ojwb> unless you disable that
[00:42] <ibeardslee> it does .. but sometimes those being prompted go 'ahh dunno'
[00:42] <ajmitch> so I get all sorts of interesting upgrade bugs to file & fix
[19:14] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:53] <ibeardslee> so who are Blue Systems?
[19:57] <ajmitch> morning
[20:11] <snail> mōrena koutou
[21:12] <Atamira> mornin
[21:37] <ojwb> morning
[22:39] <chilts> morning
[22:44] <snail> how was your break?
[22:44] <chilts> good, lovely weather
[22:44] <chilts> yours?
[22:44] <snail> great
[23:24] <snail> chilts: the web page I was talking to your wife about is http://helicon.vuw.ac.nz/menu (not sure if you can access that without a password from off campus) the software is http://www.oclc.org/ezproxy/
[23:26] <chilts> yeah, can't get into the first link, but looking at the 2nd now
[23:28] <snail> can you get to http://helicon.vuw.ac.nz.helicon.vuw.ac.nz/menu ?
[23:56] <chilts> it redirects me to https://login.helicon.vuw.ac.nz/login


[01:34] <Seeker`> Hmm, mythtv doesn't want to play with advert detection any longer :(
[01:34] <Seeker`> It claims to have run on a recording and found 2 adverts (there should be at least 3), and it won't skip any during playback. It has been doing this since I upgraded to 0.24
[01:47] <Seeker`> any suggestions?
[02:18] <Shadow__X> Seeker`: do you press z to skip the commercials
[02:18] <Shadow__X> or have commercicial notify on
[02:52] <Seeker`> Shadow__X: I have it set to notify me
[02:52] <Seeker`> and i don't get any notifications
[02:53] <Seeker`> if i press z on recordings that should have been commflagged, it just skips to the end
[02:53] <Shadow__X> Seeker`: in the video itself press e to edit it then z to show the cutlist
[03:04] <Seeker`> Shadow__X: ah, the cuts are there
[03:04] <Seeker`> it just seems to be doing an absolutely appaling job of actually finding them
[03:04] <Seeker`> like 1 in 4 or worse
[03:07] <Seeker`> hmm, and even then it doesn't manage to avoid putting them int he middle of programs :/
[03:09] <Seeker`> I know it isn't meant to be great on UK TV, but I'm pretty sure it used to be bettter than this
[03:10] <Shadow__X> i cant comment i am in what you would call the colonies
[03:11] <Shadow__X> it works well here but there are others you can ask
[03:12] <Shadow__X> the other thing too is that is it bad on all recordings or just some of them>?
[03:12] <Shadow__X> its not perfect and also there are numerous factors
[03:12] <Seeker`> some are better than others, but it doesn't seem to be channel dependant
[03:13] <Seeker`> I just remember it being better than this in the past; been using mythtv for 3 years or so now, and it used to be pretty good; it'd catch 9/10 adverts quite well, and the occasional blip
[03:13] <Seeker`> but i've reverted to using manual 30-second seek through adverts now :(
[03:13] <Shadow__X> maybe the content providers are working harder to avoid getting flagged
[03:16] <Seeker`> hmm, maybe
[03:16] <Seeker`> still a pita :P
[06:03] <RomioTango> hey guys I just tried to install the mythbuntu reps .deb however my x crashed in the process.. I then had to run dpkg --configure -a ... thinking it would allow me to go through all the same configuration sets later i told it not to upgrade the system to 0.24
[06:03] <RomioTango> is there any way for me to reconfigure that .deb file so that it will upgrade to 0.24?
[10:20] <Schmidt> What can I do to solve the problem with low volume in MythTV ? I tried internal player and mplayer but there is no difference. Music Player Daemon gets a decent volume. Any tips ?
[12:49] <mrand> Schmidt: in the general setup, there is a screen that has two volume sliders.  Make sure the top one is turned up to 98 or 100%
[13:10] <Schmidt> mrand: all my volumes are at max in alsamixer, should not be the problem
[13:33] <mrand> Schmidt: the two sliders I'm talking about feed to alsamixer.  If they are too low, you won't hear anything.
[13:40] <Schmidt> mrand: I'll have a look when I get home, I have heard of problems with AC3 5.1 streams to stereo stream giving low volumes, do you know anything about that/it ?
[15:01] <joltman> can anyone tell me how to reset the password for MythBuntu's VNC from an SSH terminal?
[17:08] <joltman> someone on the mailing list told me
[17:08] <joltman> sudo x11vnc --storepasswd
[18:02] <stanman> how do i 'import' movies into myth?
[18:02] <stanman> i saw that videos needed to be in /var/lib/mythtv/videos
[18:02] <stanman> is that the place to put video media?
[18:03] <stanman> nudelsnack: got it up and running!
[18:06] <Patrickdk> heh, just click the menu button (M?) and select scan
[18:13] <stanman> Patrickdk: inside the mythbuntu Control Centre?
[18:14] <tgm4883> stanman, yes, by default /var/lib/mythtv/videos/ is the correct directory
[18:14] <tgm4883> you can add or change directories to watch in mythtv-setup for the video storage directory
[18:19] <stanman> i added a directory (cause my /home is on it's own partition) but there are insufficient rights. chown it to mythtv:mythtv?
[18:44] <stanman> how do i scan for video files?
[18:46] <rhpot1991> m
[18:46] <rhpot1991> then scan
[18:46] <rhpot1991> if you have a menu button on your remote it should be mapped to that as well
[18:47] <stanman> ? so i start the frontend, then hit "m" and scan?
[18:49] <stanman> if I hit m in the frontend, i get a System Menu with an "about" and "cancel" button...
[18:51] <mrand> stanman: go to the videos
[18:52] <stanman> aaahhhh!
[18:52] <stanman> thanks!
[18:58] <stanman> so watching a movie on the frontend/backend machine works
[18:59] <stanman> now for a frontend machine: i get a message: cannot connect to the backend server.
[19:03] <stanman> hmm... i'll try it later...
[22:02] <pkiller01> hi, i was wondering if it is possible to have mythbuntu work with an avermedia trinity dvb-t/dvb-s
[22:03] <pkiller01> i didnt install it yet, if someone has some experience with that card it would be much aprisciated
[22:04] <pkiller01> !time
[22:04] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about time
[22:08] <mrand> pkiller01: the number of people in this channel that are likely to have experience with that card probably approaches zero.  I'd look on the mythtv wiki or search the mythbuntu forums and mythtv-users mailing list.
[22:12] <pkiller01> thank you


[01:13] <PriceChild> Seveas, I thought ubuntu-irc was a team of operators trusted by the council which other channels could trust to take ops from? :/
[01:13] <Seveas> Seeker`, now try @btlogin, ubtu should reply with a URL
[01:13] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[01:13] <Seeker`> Error: Authentication failed
[01:14] <PriceChild> I bet the ` is messing it up :P
[01:15] <Seveas> try again, I forgot a semi-manual step (didn't want to wait for cron)
[01:15] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[01:15] <Seeker`> same again
[01:15] <Seveas> hmm
[01:16] <Seveas> 3rd time's a charm or I give up
[01:16] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[01:16] <Seveas> so try again please :)
[01:16] <Seeker`> same again
[01:16] <Seveas> ok, I give up
[01:17] <Seveas> ah, duh: first @login (to make it create your account) and then @btlogin
[01:17] <Seveas> doesn't happen too often that we add people :)
[01:17] <Seeker`> @login
[01:17] <ubotu> An error has occurred and has been logged.
[01:17] <Seveas> yay
[01:17] <Seveas> *now* the ` is messing it up :)
[01:18] <Seeker`> woo :P
[01:18] <Amaranth> Seveas: do you remember MatBoy?
[01:18] <ompaul> vague memories
[01:19] <Seveas> Seeker`, actually, @btlogin might work, the error occured after account creation
[01:19] <Seveas> Amaranth, not really
[01:19] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[01:19] <Amaranth> https://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/bans.cgi?query=wiljewelwetenhe.xs4all.nl&bans=on
[01:19] <Seveas> @reload FreenodeAuth
[01:19] <ubotu> OK
[01:19] <Daviey> Seeker`: out of interest - why did you pick to have a "'" in your nick?
[01:20] <Seveas> Amaranth, ah, one of the offtopicers, I remember that incident
[01:20] <Seveas> Amaranth, he's probably no older than 11, pm'ed me in sms-language dutch
[01:21] <Seeker`> Seveas: Works now
[01:21] <Amaranth> heh
[01:21] <Amaranth> He doesn't seem to understand the problem
[01:21] <Seveas> where's he now?
[01:21] <Seeker`> Daviey: I tried "Seeker" on another network, and it was taken, so I added a '
[01:21] <Daviey> heh.. /me adds "DROP ALL" to his nick :P
[01:21] <Amaranth> Seveas: #compiz-fusion
[01:21] <Amaranth> and a bunch of other places
[01:22] <Seeker`> Daviey: heh
[01:22] <Seveas> Daviey, input is properly escaped :p
[01:22] <Seeker`> XKCD ftw
[01:22] <Seveas> Amaranth, kill :)
[01:22] <Seveas> Seeker`, yup
[01:22] <Amaranth> "it seems to be the ubuntu way to kick people there"
[01:23] <Seveas> would be a shame if he was a liar
[01:25] <Seeker`> Seveas: Why doesn't the bantracker distinguish between kicks and bans?
[01:25] <ompaul> Seeker`, removes and kicks are the same and bans are +b
[01:26] <ompaul> Seeker`, want a demo?
[01:26] <Seveas> Seeker`, hm?
[01:26] <Seveas> it shouldn't make a difference, it should store both :)
[01:26] <Seeker`> Seveas: I understand that it should store both, but browsing quickly there isn't any difference in the presentation of a ban or a kick
[01:27] <Seveas> true
[01:27] <Daviey> @login
[01:27] <Seveas> you recognize them by mask, bans have a ! and @ in there, kicks/removes not
[01:27] <Daviey> Seveas: can you ack me?
[01:27] <Seeker`> Seveas: Fair enough
[01:28] <Daviey> thanks
[01:28] <Daviey> @login
[01:29] <Seveas> try again
[01:29] <Seveas> the syncer wasn't finished yet
[01:30] <Daviey> @login
[01:30] <ubotu> OK
[01:30] <Daviey> woo
[01:30] <Daviey> @btlogin
[01:30] <Seeker`> @login
[01:30] <ubotu> OK
[01:30] <Seeker`> woo :)
[01:30] <Daviey> Seveas: hey, you removed the 'human' theme \o/
[01:31] <Seveas> :)
[01:59] <Mez> @login
[01:59] <ubotu> OK
[02:30] <nalioth> that was most interesting.  my X just shut down spontaneously
[02:31] <rob> H4X0R!
[02:31] <jrib> compiz?
[02:45] <nalioth> nope, no compiz involved
[03:10] <PriceChild> gah i'm subscribed to ubuntu-irc with @ubuntu.com, but it seems like its sending emails to @gmail.com so when i simply click reply it just doesn't accept it :/
[03:27] <Pici> kahrytan, troll or not?
[03:27] <Pici> Or just generally clueless
[03:28] <PriceChild> nick rings a bell#
[03:28] <PriceChild> where is it?
[03:28] <LjL> he's been in -offtopic for a relatively long time
[03:29] <PriceChild> @btlogin
[03:29] <LjL> i think he might have been sort of trollish at times, but i don't really remember
[03:29] <Pici> I didnt even check the tracker yet..
[04:25] <krux0> i need to get back into #ubuntu...I believe I changed to the port to 8001. Netstat reports 8001 open on niven.freenode.net. Can someone validate this?
[04:33] <krux0> i am not a bot
[04:33] <krux0> i need to get back into #ubuntu
[04:34] <Pumpernickel> Please be patient; people who can help you will, when they get here.
[04:36] <krux0> thank you
[05:14] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:01] <ubot3> In #freenode, GPT said: !bAH, my link is better.
[08:31] <Tm_T> good morning
[08:44] <Tm_T> hmm, was there some way to clear ban lists from irssi windows?
[11:01] <Tm_T> wow
[11:01] <Tm_T> wii is not banned anymore :O
[11:02] <Seveas> was muted, not banned
[11:02] <Tm_T> ah right
[11:52] <Hattory> Hi all.... could you please add my ubuntu/member cloak? my LP profile is https://edge.launchpad.net/~hattory/
[11:55] <jpatrick> hi Hattory
[11:56] <Hattory> hi jpatrick ;)
[11:56] <jpatrick> (remember you from last CC meeting)
[11:56] <jpatrick> good to know I'm not the only 16 year old on ubuntu
[11:57] <Hattory> jpatrick, yea :D
[11:57] <Hattory> young peoples rock
[11:57] <Hattory> people*
[11:58] <nalioth> cloaks, eh?
[11:58] <Hattory> nalioth, yes
[11:59] <nalioth> please link an alternate nick and add an email, Hattory
[12:02] <Hattory> nalioth, ok
[12:06] <nalioth> Hattory: when you are done, just PM me that you've completed the task, and i'll turn on your cloak
[12:06] <Hattory> nalioth, no problem... thanks
[01:52] <Hobbsee> mc44: btw - there have been a fair few instances of trolls using the info in this channel
[01:53] <mc44> Hobbsee: yes, I wasn't saying you shouldn't kick people
[01:53] <mc44> Hobbsee: however Sev seams to think it no applies to everyone
[01:54] <Seeker`> There should be a quick "can anyone vouch for this person" before they are kicked though
[02:07] <d1n0> Is this a nice place to meet a young girl?
[02:08] <mc44> No.
[02:08] <d1n0> ah, someone tricked me :)
[02:08] <mc44> ok then
[02:08] <Hattory> lol
[02:20] <ikonia> did someone call me ?
[02:24] <ompaul> ikonia, I can by phone :)
[02:24] <ikonia> you could if I was on a machine with a sound card :D
[02:25] <ikonia> hello ompaul, how are you
[02:25] <ompaul> mobiled phonez
[02:25] <ompaul> great
[02:26] <ikonia> good good
[02:26] <ikonia> just how it should be ?
[02:26] <ompaul> better almost ;-)
[02:26] <ompaul> I got energy for the first time in years
[02:26] <ikonia> now that is good to hear
[02:26] <ikonia> doing something production with it ?
[02:26] <ikonia> the energy that is
[02:27] <ompaul> I had no idea what normal energy reserves were like
[02:27] <ompaul> the op the diet the exercise
[02:28] <ompaul> so this is what it is like to be a normally healthy person ;-) I'll keep it thanks
[02:28] <ikonia> big difference huh
[02:28] <ompaul> I had  no idea
[02:28] <ikonia> its nice to hear you feeling so well
[02:28] <ompaul> :)
[02:29] <ompaul> ikonia,  even listening to leonard cohen would not get me down today
[02:29] <ikonia> thats strong positive attitude
[02:30] <ompaul> na its a simple fact :)
[02:31] <ompaul> ikonia, but then again I think I am not listening to him - I am listening to coldplay and being bored so I think I will pump some semi pop
[02:31] <ikonia> ramp it up !
[02:32] <ompaul> its loud enough thanks :)
[02:32] <ikonia> I meant pick up the pace
[02:32] <ompaul> inxs is what I call semi pop :)
[02:56] <jrib> .ubotu fix bantracker!
[03:09] <PriceChild> @now
[03:09] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: October 14 2007, 13:09:21 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 2 days
[03:10] <Seeker`> lo PriceChild
[03:10] <PriceChild> Hey Seeker`
[03:10] <PriceChild> Hello Hattory, can I help?
[03:11] <Hattory> PriceChild, i'm waiting for the cloak
[03:12] <PriceChild> ubuntu member?
[03:12] <Hattory> yes
[03:12] <PriceChild> Is anyone currently dealing with you or shall I try and sort it out? :)
[03:13] <Hattory> nalioth, should activate it
[03:16] <Hattory> PriceChild,
 Hattory: when you are done, just PM me that you've completed the task, and i'll turn on your cloak
[03:16] <Hattory> ;)
[03:16] <PriceChild> right ok :)
[03:16] <PriceChild> he's away though so you'll have to wait :P
[03:16] <Hattory> yes... no problem :D
[03:17] <PriceChild> Yeah see you've been added to the launchpad team, I'm sure he'll be back soon :)
[03:17] <Hattory> yes!
[03:18] <PriceChild> Until the updated group contact form goes through, the irc council can't really ask other freenode staffers for the cloaks as we're not really group contacts yet.
[03:19] <Hattory> ok
[03:41] <troubled> hello
[03:42] <troubled> some stats for you: http://picpaste.com/chan_msg_counts.jpg
[03:42] <troubled> gratz :)
[04:27] <ompaul> ikonia, eh check out the playlist ;-)
[04:27] <ompaul> not back long
[04:33] <ubotu> cafuego called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:33] <ubotu> MartinW called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:35] <gnomefreak> isnt cafuego an op?
[04:36] <gnomefreak> or wasnt he
[04:37] <Seeker`> gnomefreak: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list
[04:38] <gnomefreak> Seeker`: i know ho to tell if he does but it wont tell me if he was
[04:38] <gnomefreak> seeing as he was the bot owner i thought he had ops
[04:40] <Seeker`> gnomefreak: sorry
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: I have since realized that the thing I was going to ask about would be insane, since it would require promoting a package from universe to main before Thursday.  :P
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> So, nvm
[05:13] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:13] <gnomefreak> good luck
[05:14] <gnomefreak> what package?
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: compizconfig-settings-manager
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> anyway, on my way out the door again
[05:14] <gnomefreak> if all the depends are in main its possible but this late unlikely unless you can get a core-devl and archive admin to do it
[05:14] <gnomefreak> to ack it
[05:19] <ikonia> did someone call again
[05:19] <ikonia> my connection dropped and it looks like someone said me name
[05:20] <ompaul> ikonia, yeah they did, in fact it was me :)
[05:20] <ikonia> hello again
[05:20] <ikonia> sorry my connection is a bit flakey at the moment
[05:20] <ompaul> ikonia, no worries
[05:20] <ikonia> well, not mine, my connection from where I am to my machine at home
[05:20] <ikonia> apologies if I drop in and out, if its bad I'll leave the channels to not cause disruption
[05:22] <ompaul> na it is not too frequent - we have some people who seem to accept falling off the internet every 3 mins as good they get banned but staying on more than once an hour is okay
[05:22] <ompaul> for more than an hour that is
[05:22] <ikonia> my connection is normally rock solid, however today I'm struggling
[05:22] <ompaul> openvpn ?
[05:23] <ikonia> ahh openvpn !
[05:23] <ikonia> a favourite
[05:24] <ompaul> nothing like a good openvpn config file edit to kick off the week ;-)
[05:25] <Hattory> PriceChild, if nalioth comes back you can ping him?
[05:25] <ikonia> a good introduction
[05:25] <ompaul> ikonia, been using it for years
[05:25] <ompaul> changed versions and got bitten ;-)
[05:25] <ikonia> I've touched on it, I'm considering it for a vpn I work on at the moment
[05:25] <ompaul> Hattory, perhaps I can help
[05:26] <ompaul> ikonia, it is good stuff
[05:26] <ompaul> ikonia, however use linux / freebsd both ends - not that other popular heap of trash
[05:26] <ompaul> for more than religious reasons
[05:26] <gnomefreak> Hattory: i think PriceChild is away atm
[05:26] <ikonia> I have no use for the operating system you speak of
[05:27] <ompaul> ikonia, I love it when someone says the likes of that
[05:27] <Hattory> uhm...
[05:27] <ompaul> have a coffee and a gold start
[05:27] <ompaul> gold star
[05:27] <gnomefreak> ikonia: he didnt say windows freebsd is cool :)
[05:27] <ikonia> gnomefreak ha ha ha
[05:27] <gnomefreak> just wish i knoew how to make the best of it but will try again some day when i feel like reinstalling everything
[05:28] <gnomefreak> Hattory: can we help you with something?
[05:28] <Hattory> I'm waiting for the cloak...
[05:28] <Hattory> i talk with nalioth this morning
[05:28] <gnomefreak> ah ok member ckoak?
[05:28] <Hattory> I*
[05:28] <ompaul> gnomefreak, I actually don't see the joke .. can you explain it to me .. or ikonia perhaps
[05:28] <gnomefreak> clock even
[05:28] <gnomefreak> ompaul: yes
[05:28] <ompaul> Hattory, cloak even
[05:29] <gnomefreak> 11:26 <          ikonia > I have no use for the operating system you speak of
[05:29] <ompaul> ahh
[05:29] <gnomefreak> ompaul: when you said linux/freebsd
[05:29] <Hattory> gnomefreak, yes
[05:29] <ompaul> gnomefreak, well caught
[05:29] <gnomefreak> ompaul: are cloaking or does it have to go through nalioth
[05:29] <ompaul> I can
[05:30] <gnomefreak> Hattory: is waiting for ome, i missed the meeting so im assuming he got memebership
[05:30] <ompaul> gnomefreak, well we gota check
[05:30] <gnomefreak> i can look
[05:30] <ompaul> please you will be faster than me
[05:30] <gnomefreak> Hattory: give me a minute please
[05:31] <Hattory> gnomefreak, yea :D no problem...
[05:31] <gnomefreak> Hattory: what is real name?
[05:31] <Hattory> Paolo Naldini
[05:32] <Hattory> hi Seveas
[05:32] <ompaul> Seveas, Hattory okay for a cloak?
[05:32] <gnomefreak> ompaul: he did make it
[05:32] <ompaul> Hattory, make my day ask seveas for that cloak
[05:33] <Seveas> ompaul, isn't he in the cloaks group already?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> afaik from agenda page he was accepted
[05:33] <Seveas> ompaul, he's ok for a cloak
[05:33] <ompaul> done
[05:33] <gnomefreak> checking
[05:33] <ompaul> ehh
[05:33] <gnomefreak> he is
[05:33] <ompaul> Hattory, here have a look at this
[05:33] <Seveas> Recently approved
[05:33] <Seveas>     * Naldini Paolo (hattory)
[05:33] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-cloaks
[05:33] <Seveas> (ubuntu-irc-cloaks)
[05:33] <ompaul> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[05:34] <gnomefreak> Seveas: by rule they have to be accepted into the irc-cloaks team then they get cloaked?
[05:34] <Hattory> one second...
[05:34] <Seveas> gnomefreak, that's the easiest way to keep administration correct
[05:35] <gnomefreak> ok makes checking alot easier
[05:35] <PriceChild> Hattory, woo :)
[05:35] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: good morning
[05:36] <Hattory> -.-'
[05:36] <Hattory> LOL
[05:36] <Hattory> but but....
[05:36] <Seveas> butter
[05:36] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, ty
[05:37] <Hattory> Nobody warned me
[05:37] <Hattory> XD
[05:38] <Hattory> ok thanks
[06:22] <nalioth> hattory has been cloaked for quite some time
[07:13] <Supremus> hello
[07:13] <nalioth> hi Supremus, what's up?
[07:15] <Supremus> nalioth, could you please add my ubuntu/member cloak?
[07:16] <nalioth> what's your LP page, Supremus ?
[07:16] <Supremus> https://launchpad.net/~schwitzd
[07:18] <nalioth> woops, make that 'kill my browser' (it just failed)
[07:18] <nalioth> Supremus: enjoy your cloak  :)  make us proud  :)
[07:19] <Supremus> nalioth, thanks !
[07:19] <Supremus> :D
[07:20] <Supremus> i go tanks
[07:36] <nalioth> LjL: PriceChild: please fill out one of these, and put seveas as the "approving contact"  http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml
[07:37] <PriceChild> nalioth, could you op me in #ubuntuforums-hardware please?
[07:40] <PriceChild> gah this contact form is evil :)
[08:02] <Seeker`> PriceChild: How can a form be "evil"?
[08:03] <Daviey> It asks for the sacrifice of 3 cats
[08:03] <Seeker`> but cats are evil themselves
[08:05] <nalioth> what is the square root of the residual soul weight left in the dead cats?      <<< it ask stuff like that, too
[08:06] <jussi01> nalioth: 0, cats dont have souls :P
[08:06] <nalioth> not after they're dead, no
[08:06] <Seeker`> nalioth: Or before they are dead
[08:06] <nalioth> they're full of baby souls when they are alive
[08:06] <nalioth> don'tcha know anything about cats?
[08:06] <Seeker`> i know they are pure evil
[08:10] <ompaul> oneko does not agree
[08:31] <Pricey> gah
[08:32] <jussi01> Pricey: dodgy connection?
[08:33] <Pricey> jussi01, nope dodgy modem
[08:33] <jussi01> Pricey: ahhh... amounts to much the same thing :)
[08:33] <Pricey> might be overheating... not sure
[08:33] <jussi01> Pricey: just open the window :P:P
[08:35] <Dave2> Pricey, water cool your modem.
[08:35] <Pricey> tempting
[08:36] <jussi01> hehe
[08:36] <jdong> just dump it in a tub of oil.
[08:36] <jdong> problem solved
[08:37] <nalioth> use flammable oil, for sure resolution
[09:25] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:56] <Pricey> *turns modem upside down in hope that'll fix overheating problems*
[09:56] <Pricey> Hey totopalma, can I help?
[09:56] <totopalma> hi :)
[09:57] <totopalma> sorry for my english
[09:57] <totopalma> is possible to have
[09:57] <totopalma> the cloack ?
[09:57] <totopalma> ubuntu/member
[09:57] <LjL> totopalma: you need to be an ubuntu member
[09:58] <totopalma> LjL, yes
[09:58] <totopalma> i am an ubuntu member
[09:58] <Pricey> Are you an Ubuntu Member totopalma? (part of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers )
[09:58] <totopalma> a moment
[09:58] <Pricey> totopalma, could we have your launchpad url please?
[09:58] <LjL> totopalma: https://launchpad.net/~palma-salvatore i assume
[09:58] <totopalma> yes :)
[09:59] <totopalma> https://edge.launchpad.net/~palma-salvatore
[09:59] <totopalma> :)
[09:59] <Pricey> LjL, you wanna sort it? :)
[09:59] <LjL> Pricey: probably better for him :)
[10:00] <Pricey> ah what with the Italian and all.... :P
[10:00] <LjL> totopalma: ho bisogno che ti ti assicuri 1) di avere un indirizzo email registrato qui su IRC (scrivi /msg nickserv info totopalma per controllare, se non sei sicuro di averlo)   2) che tu abbia un secondo nickname "linkato" a quello principale (anche qui, /msg nickserv)
[10:01] <totopalma> ok
[10:01] <Amaranth> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-users <--wth
[10:01] <LjL> Amaranth: what about it?
[10:02] <Amaranth> weird team
[10:03] <LjL> Amaranth: quite. but i suppose it can't do any harm
[10:03] <totopalma> LjL, il secondo nick linkato al primo  palmatoto
[10:03] <totopalma> linkato al principale
[10:04] <LjL> totopalma: bene, l'email c'? (chiedo a te semplicemente perch io non posso vedere se c', se  marcata privata)
[10:05] <totopalma> LjL, si, ho messo quella con l'alias ubuntu.com
[10:07] <LjL> totopalma: va benissimo. dovrebbe arrivarti un'email con la conferma dell'entrata nel team ubuntu-irc-cloaks. per la cloak vera e propria, dovrai aspettare ancora un pochino fino a che non mi capita sottomano qualcuno dello staff di Freenode
[10:07] <totopalma> ok :)
[10:07] <totopalma> grazie :)
[10:08] <totopalma> LjL, arrivata
[10:08] <totopalma> :)
[10:08] <totopalma> ciao :)
[10:09] <LjL> grazie a te
[10:58] <Amaranth> wii/mii is back
[11:00] <Amaranth> Seveas: ping
[11:00] <Seveas> ou
[11:00] <Seveas> oi
[11:00] <Seveas> troubles somewhere?
[11:00] <Amaranth> #ubuntu-desktop
[11:00] <Amaranth> and probably every other channel Wii/Mii is in
[11:00] <Seveas> -ChanServ- [Amaranth]  has been added to the access list for #ubuntu-desktop with level [10]
[11:00] <Amaranth> thanks
[11:00] <Seveas> #kubuntu and the -fr channels that is
[11:01] <Amaranth> ?
[11:01] <Seveas> (that's where he's in)
[11:01] <Seveas> and ##windows, but I don't care about that :)
[11:01] <Amaranth> hehe
[11:02] <Wii> ok wrong ch hhh :D
[11:02] <Amaranth> ...
[11:03] <LjL> hhh
[11:03] <Seveas> nothing says troll like a hit-and-run
[11:04] <Amaranth> This is the guy that was disrupting #ubuntu-motu, no?
[11:04] <Amaranth> I could have sworn he was klined, not that it would help
[11:04] <LjL> he's been bothering #ubuntu-desktop for a while for sure
[11:04] <LjL> i think he *was* once klined
[11:04] <Seveas> dunno, didn't know what happened there
[11:04] <LjL> but the address is dynamic
[11:04] <Amaranth> he won't be bothering #ubuntu-desktop anymore
[11:05] <Amaranth> well, not more than a couple minutes at a time anyway
[11:05] <Seveas> Amaranth, any other suitable +o candidates there? The list is pretty short
[11:05] <Amaranth> i don't think so
[11:05] <Seveas> k
[11:05] <Amaranth> LjL can handle the #kubuntu ones
[11:06] <LjL> handle what?
[11:06] <Amaranth> if wii causes any trouble
[11:06] <Amaranth> although i'd just ban him outright before he gets a chance
[11:06] <Amaranth> he has been causing trouble everywhere
[11:06] <LjL> i think he's banned in #k already, by ident
[11:07] <Seveas> mii has a diff. ident
[11:07] <Seveas> and is in #kubuntu
[11:07] <LjL> ah
[11:08] <LjL> ok, with ident and real name change, there's little more than banning the hostname we can do
[11:08] <Seveas> you could ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:08] <Seveas> I doubt there will be many false positives to that
[11:09] <Amaranth> now it's down to #ubuntu-fr #kubuntu-fr
[11:09] <Amaranth> i think he is still muted in #ubuntu-fr
[11:10] <Amaranth> #ubuntu-fr told me to leave though :P
[11:11] <LjL> Seveas: if he can change the ident and the realname, he can change the nickname more creatively for sure =)
[11:11] <Seveas> LjL, but does he want to? :)
[11:12] <Amaranth> maybe but he'd have to figure out how he was banned first
[11:12] <Seveas> he seems keen on the wii/mii gig
[11:12] <Amaranth> yeah
[11:12] <LjL> Seveas: he'd try iiw if we banned both
[11:12] <Seveas> ban wanadoo entirely until they drop stupid clients
[11:12] <Amaranth> and maybe there will be some pattern to the IP he gets so we only have to ban a few hundred possibilities instead of a whole ISP
[11:13] <Seveas> :)
[11:13] <Amaranth> "Wannadoo Broadband is now Orange Broadband"
[11:13] <Amaranth> i'm in the US and even I know that name :P
[11:13] <LjL> Seveas: yeah well wanadoo.fr *has* a copious amount of trolls, but it's still not like 83.230 to warrant a net ban :)
[11:14] <Seveas> :)
[11:14] <LjL> Amaranth: except it's got one N only
[11:15] <Amaranth> LjL: huh?
[11:15] <Amaranth> oh
[11:15] <Amaranth> just a typo though, it's still orange
[11:15] <jdong> what do YOU wannado?
[11:15] <jdong> that sounds like some butchered MS slogan
[11:16] <jdong> In Soviet Russia, ISP wannado YOU
[11:17] <Pici> o.O
[11:19] <ompaul> jdong, in soviet russia users ban ops
[11:19] <jdong> that sounds like fun :)
[11:20] <ompaul> in soviet russia software compiles you
[11:20] <jdong> In Soviet Russia, DRM restricts YOU
[11:20] <jdong> oh wait it does that here too
[11:20] <Pici> harhar
[11:21] <ompaul> jdong, :)
[11:21] <ompaul> in soviet russia drm frees you
[11:21] <ompaul> perhaps
[11:22] <ompaul> in soviet russia irc talks on you
[11:23] <LjL> in soviet russia you make sense
[11:24] <ompaul> no no no
[11:24] <ompaul> in soviet russia sense makes you
[11:24] <LjL> yes, i know it didn't follow the standard IETF approved russian joke pattern
[11:25] <ompaul> LjL, which leads to the classic
[11:25] <ompaul> in soviet russia jokes tell you
[11:25] <LjL> they do in italy too, when my friends get bored of talking about football
[11:26] <LjL> (football *network games* actually, most of the time)
[11:27] <jdong> LjL: In Iran we don't have russian jokes, like in your country.
[11:27] <ompaul> LjL, you do live in the land of the beautiful game
[11:27] <LjL> ompaul, don't make me want to hurt you
[11:27] <ompaul> LjL, ignoring soccer is a great game
[11:27] <ompaul> I have managed to do it for years
[11:28] <Pici> I've ignored soccer _and_ football
[11:28] <ompaul> LjL, now if it was rugby .. that is worth watching
[11:28] <jdong> I've ignored the outside world for 19 years and still going strong
[11:28] <LjL> me too, but i've had to put up with the embarrassment of replying "none" to "what's your favorite football team" during infancy. that's a tremendous shock for an italian child to bear.
[11:29] <LjL> in soviet russia though, world ignores you
[11:31] <LjL> you realize you should start putting your Samba shares in fstab when you type a 100-characters long mount line automatically -- and it turns out it's the one that mounts the *wrong* share
[11:31] <ompaul> in soviet russia computers run you .... ohh wait, I have just discovered the the core idea, and how they got it for the matrix - hollywood owes irc
[11:32] <LjL> ompaul: but, being the free software advocate that you are, you really can't ask for the rights now.
[11:34] <ompaul> I want them to share with everyone on the planet
[11:34] <ompaul> and stop treating their customers as criminals
[11:35] <ompaul> for instance walking into a cinema - I am still shocked by this
[11:35] <LjL> you're shocked that people walk into cinemas?
[11:36] <ompaul> getting an announcement on the screen that they would remove people with cameras
[11:36] <LjL> ah, we don't get those.
[11:36] <ompaul> and confiscate cameras
[11:36] <ompaul> well I wanted someone arrested for assault
[11:37] <LjL> we merely have the obnoxious ad: "would you ever steal a car? would you ever steal a book? would you ever steal a movie? piracy - is - a - crime"
[11:37] <ompaul> that as well
[11:37] <LjL> ompaul: those announcements won't be needed anymore when all cameras come with a built-in stegano mark detector that shuts down the camera when it detects a pattern marking a protected movie, you know that
[11:37] <ompaul> so I let it be known in the cinema - and seveas can testify to the fact that I have a loud voice
[11:38] <LjL> heheh
[11:38] <LjL> i give them the finger when they play the ad, but i dare not shout :P
[11:38] <ompaul> that notice was a crime, it was assault and people should not stand for it
[11:38] <ompaul> we as consumers have options and I for one will not be back for a good while
[11:39] <ompaul> now that is the law of this land
[11:39] <LjL> yeah we have the option of building our own record player, i'm afraid
[11:40] <LjL> i hate it that i've just bought this symbian phone that is *filled* with trusted computing, every app has to be signed by symbian, blearg
[11:43] <ompaul> you know DRM is just another way of enforcing the cartel and its monopoly
[11:43] <ompaul> if you forgive me mixing my metaphors
[11:44] <LjL> ompaul: in that case it goes further than just the music/video industries... for instance, getting GSM cell id information is "protected" and can't be done by self-signed applications. that's to protect me, of course - not, it's because phone companies want to provide their own location-based services
[11:44] <ompaul> that is theft of your freedom
[11:45] <ompaul> can you get that information from some other $phone ?
[11:45] <LjL> ompaul: i think i could on, err, windows mobile ones - since i don't think they're using signatures to restrict the API (at least heavily) yet
[11:45] <LjL> and surely i could get it on openmoko or greenphone, i bet
[11:46] <LjL> but then again, i wouldn't pay an openmoko 99 like i paid this one. once again, cheapness wins over ideals
[11:46] <ompaul> what is openmoko costing?
[11:46] <LjL> i think the dev version is 300, and the final version is planned to be 500
[11:46] <LjL> that's not my target price for a phone really
[11:47] <ompaul> mass produced so in a year after that it will be sub 200
[11:47] <LjL> if it gets sub 200, with wifi and all the bells and whistles, i'd consider it
[11:47] <LjL> i think you can
[11:47] <LjL> i'm not sure, but i think they just give them out, they simply lack some hardware that will be in the final version
[11:48] <LjL> i'm not *sure* openmoko/greenphone are 100% open, anyway, should need to check. you know, for instance, that FCC regulation that basically says, "if you run software defined radios on open source software, we'll laugh at you and never certify it"?
[11:49] <LjL> for some parts they might simply be forced to lock things down
[11:49] <ompaul> hmm
[11:50] <ompaul> I like the irish dept of communications rules better
[11:51] <ompaul> you can drive the device any way you like
[11:51] <LjL> ompaul: and you know, on symbian, even if you write an app that only uses what they call sometimes the "user-grantable" capabilities, and sometimes the "user-UNDERSTANDABLE" capabilities... i.e. you don't use what they consider to be "sensitive" APIs (which are mostly harmless really)
[11:51] <ompaul> BUT don't step outside of the allowed frequencies or power or you will feel us breathing down your neck
[11:52] <LjL> well, even then, you can self-sign your application (it cannot simply be UNsigned), but the certificate you sign it with expires after a while anyway
[11:52] <ompaul> thats nutz
[11:52] <LjL> (yeah, you *can* just wind back the phone's clock to install the application, but....)
[11:52] <ompaul> with a capital Z
[11:52] <ompaul> LjL, I really don't want to know any more it is depressing :)
[11:53] <LjL> ompaul: yeah that's reasonable, "do what you wish just don't break the sensible rules we have", but the trend instead seems to be "in order that you don't break the sensible rules, you aren't allowed to even touch your own equipment"
[11:53] <LjL> ompaul: well that's basically everything. except, perhaps, i should mention that symbian used to be a really *fine*, though always closed-source, operating system, and they've ruined it like that.  (and in other technical ways too - such as, it takes 1 minute to boot)
[11:54] <ompaul> ffs
[11:54] <ompaul> I need to diall 112 and you have to wait a min
[11:54] <ompaul> thats nuts
[11:54] <ompaul> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[11:54] <LjL> ompaul: but, you see, "this is just a phone". people aren't even used to the concept that they can install applications on a phone *at all*, so they won't mind if certificates are needed to do that
[11:55] <ompaul> LjL, we need to write an app that encourages them to program it
[11:55] <ompaul> ;-)
[11:55] <ompaul> and get that application signed
[11:55] <LjL> once they get used to seeing "This application is not certified and cannot be installed" messages on their *phones*, it will certainly be less surprising for them to see the same on their *computers*
[11:55] <LjL> ompaul, there is python for starters. and it's signed. but it's only signed because it implements its own access restrictions -- your own python scripts have to be signed, or they can't access the protected parts of the API
[11:56] <ompaul> gaaaaa
[11:56] <ompaul> thats just sick
[11:58] <ompaul> okay I am going to go to bed
[11:58] <ompaul> have lots of fun
[11:58] <LjL> ompaul: well, in their infinite magnanimousity, they *do* offer a free way to sign freeware/foss applications
[11:58] <LjL> you just have to wait a couple of months
[11:58] <ompaul> wow
[11:58] <LjL> and if it gets rejected, it's 6 months before you can re-submit it
[11:58] <ompaul> after they rip the code
[11:59] <LjL> for commercial applications, if they get rejected, you just have pay for the whole signing process again
[11:59] <ompaul> LjL, pfffft
[11:59] <ompaul> arrr
[11:59] <ompaul> no
[11:59] <LjL> fortunately, i can install just about anything, if not very easily, since i managed to get a "developer certificate" while they're still giving them out to almost anyone
[12:00] <LjL> but they'll stop - they've realized everyone uses them.
[12:00] <ompaul> hehe
[12:00] <LjL> i've done my duty to guarantee ompaul a sleepless night :)
[12:02] <Seveas> !now
[12:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about now - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:02] <Seveas> @now
[12:02] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: October 14 2007, 22:02:58 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 1 day
[12:28] <gnomefreak> Seveas: LjL can we add wii to autoban list?
[12:28] <LjL> gnomefreak: what good does that do, when he changes just about everything changeable?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> hes ban evading and being a mence(sp)
[12:28] <LjL> yeah it's fine with me i just don't see how it would help
[12:28] <gnomefreak> does autoban use hostmask?
[12:28] <Pricey> So Gutsy upgrades are already offered from Feisty?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> or can it use names realnames ect
[12:29] <LjL> gnomefreak: it uses things it can know. and those are hostmask, ident, realname, nickname
[12:29] <Pici> Pricey: They are?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> Pricey: yes and most bugs are gone if you use -d only
[12:29] <LjL> gnomefreak: but wii has changed all of the above
[12:29] <gnomefreak> so there is no way to keep him out?
[12:29] <Pricey> gnomefreak, does it automatically bring up a notification? Or do you have to invoke the command with -d manually?
[12:29] <LjL> gnomefreak: keep banning him when he joins.
[12:29] <Pricey> I'm confused by the posts on forum
[12:30] <gnomefreak> maybe we should get hem a cloak :)
[12:30] <LjL> gnomefreak: cloaks can be disabled ;)
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Pricey: gksudo update-manager -d or change sources.list and dist-upgrade
[12:30] <Pricey> gnomefreak, ahhh so starting upgrade-manager doesn't suggest it to you automatically yet?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> he giving me a frigging headach
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Pricey: no it *better* not
[12:31] <Pricey> grrrr silly forum people
[12:31] <gnomefreak> if it does let me know and ill ping mvo
[12:31] <gnomefreak> that would be bad
[12:32] <gnomefreak> Pricey: tbh the only way to prove that wrong would be screenshot of command and update-manager at same time
[12:32] <gnomefreak> i think someone ran -d and didnt think about it
[12:33] <Pricey> yeah
[12:34] <gnomefreak> what about banning n=wii@AMarigot
[12:34] <gnomefreak> since it always starts with AMarigot ;)
[12:35] <gnomefreak> or that would still need wii@ :(
[12:36] <jdong> gnomefreak: we can just ban him every time he comes in... the amount of time we're wasting trying to get a step ahead of him is just lose-lose for us
[12:37] <gnomefreak> there has to be a way or us banning people doesnt mean anything, how many times is his ban gonna show up in bt since ites public that also gives him a step foward
[12:37] <gnomefreak> forward
[12:37] <gnomefreak> he always uses wii ro xp_killer
[12:37] <gnomefreak> or
[12:38] <gnomefreak> i have never seen him with another nick
[12:38] <rob> using n=wii@AMarigot will work for a bit I think
[12:38] <jdong> can we just wildcard to AMarigot?
[12:39] <jdong> he seems to have not figured out how to change that yet
[12:39] <gnomefreak> hes the only one ive noticed with it
[12:39] <jdong> I have not seen any other AMarigots :)
[12:39] <gnomefreak> but that is *noticed*
[12:39] <jdong> gnomefreak: meh we can send the other ones here to do a AreYouNotWiiSpec test.
[12:39] <jdong> lol
[12:39] <gnomefreak> thats an idea
[12:40] <gnomefreak> i have never noticed anyone else with it (doesnt mean they are not out there) but that is a low trafic good idea
[12:42] <Pici> My logs say we could narrow it down to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:42] <LjL> rob, no, the wii ident he already changed
[12:42] <rob> ah
[12:44] <LjL>  /whois mii
[12:45] <gnomefreak> than we n=*ii@
[12:45] <gnomefreak> so on
[12:46] <gnomefreak> but pici might be on to something
[12:47] <LjL> i don't know
[12:47] <LjL> i don't particularly like overbroad bans...
[12:47] <LjL> make it !#ubuntu-ops at most i'd say
[12:47] <LjL> that and/or the 102-1-*wanadoo
[12:47] <LjL> too broad to just ban
[12:47] <gnomefreak> is that all i add for a forward is the !?
[12:48] <Pricey> yup
[12:48] <Pricey> nickname!username@hostname!forwardchannel
[12:49] <gnomefreak> who thinks @AMarigot-*!#ubuntu-ops is too broad?
[12:49] <Pricey> me
[12:49] <gnomefreak> me too but it would work
[12:50] <gnomefreak> how about @AMarigot-102-1-*.abo.wanadoo.fr!#ubuntu-ops
[12:50] <Pici> I dont, I've seen nothing that matches Amarigot
[12:51] <gnomefreak> Pici: me neither but i would much rather have more than 2 agree to it before i set it
[12:51] <stdin> I've only seen 2 nicks with AMarigot, both wii/mii/xp_killer (and I've kept a lookout got that hostname)
[12:51] <gnomefreak> but either way should grab him
[12:51] <LjL> gnomefreak: the latter seems ok with me - we just have to see how many hits from other people we get. i used to have the whole wanadoo.fr on highlight once
[12:51] <LjL> but the former, no
[12:52] <gnomefreak> ok tha latter i will set in channels i can
[12:53] <gnomefreak> 18:53 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+b @AMarigot-102-1*!#ubuntu-o*@*
[12:53] <gnomefreak> do we need to shorten that?
[12:54] <LjL> what's that?
[12:54] <LjL> gnomefreak, the *!*
[12:54] <gnomefreak> it keeps showing up that way
[12:55] <LjL> *!*@AMarigot-102-1*!#ubuntu-ops
[12:55] <Pici> gnomefreak: Are you using some kickban script?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> Pici: i did but tried it free hand after
[12:56] <gnomefreak> normally the script adds *!8
[12:56] <Pici> I just set it in offtopic, worked fine with my script thing.
[12:56] <gnomefreak> *!*
[12:56] <LjL> gnomefreak: if you tried with *wanadoo.fr, then perhaps yeah it was too long
[12:57] <gnomefreak> i cut that part off
[12:57] <Pici> for irssi: /csbfw = /msg chanserv op $C $N;/wait 50;/ban $0!$1;/msg chanserv op $C -$N
[12:59] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: if you can please ban *!*@AMarigot-102-1*!#ubuntu-ops in -desktop
[01:00] <Pici> And forums?
[01:00] <gnomefreak> i would but i cant
[01:01] <stdin> we still have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>set in most channels too
[01:02] <stdin> just noticed it
[01:05] <gnomefreak> i hope this works
[01:05] <Pricey> NeoGeo64 rings a bell
[01:06] <Pici> familiar enough that its an autocomplete option for bantracker search here.
[01:11] <LjL> hehe


[20:06] <CarlFK> gnome-control-center lets me set "screen saver = off" - how do I figure out how to do that in a script ?  (like my preseed late_command.sh script.. thus why I am asking here... and admitting it is kinda OT...)


[22:26] <AlanBell> someone else awake?
[22:26] <AlanBell> who has ops
[23:56] <IdleOne> I do
[23:56] <IdleOne> what ya need


[08:34] <vitimiti> Hi
[10:41] <jgdx> hello vitimiti
[10:41] <vitimiti> Hello, jgdx
[10:45] <Zoomy500> hello
[10:46] <Zoomy500> Is there a way to install a ppa on Ubuntu touch?
[10:52] <chrisc> Zoomy500: mount the root partition read/write and then do it the same as for any other machine?
[11:55] <jgdx> chrisc, if you have phablet tools installed, it's $ phablet-config writable-image
[12:10] <jgdx> kenvandine, hey, could you take a look at the cellular ui split[1] The tests are failing but the failures seems spurious. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/cellular-split-radio-pref-and-data-fix-1378812/+merge/238304
[12:12] <chrisc> jgdx thanks, all my other computers are running debian so i simply su and then remount rw...
[12:22] <jgdx> chrisc, it might be easier for most just to manage it via the file in /userdata/
[12:22] <chrisc> ah, i don't know about that, where is it documented?
[12:24] <jgdx> chrisc, here[1] under the section "Enabling read-write mode" [1] http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[12:24] <chrisc> jgdx: thanks
[12:24] <jgdx> chrisc, a pleasure!
[12:25] <chrisc> jgdx: so simply touch /userdata/.writable_image and reboot?
[12:26] <jgdx> chrisc, yeah – that probably does exactly the same thing you do, mounting it rw. :)
[12:27] <jgdx> I'm not sure actually.
[12:27] <chrisc> I have this alias set for the phablem user:
[12:27] <chrisc> alias mnt-root-rw='sudo mount -o rw,remount /'
[12:28] <chrisc> so i simply do `mnt-root-rw`
[12:28] <chrisc> s/phablem/phablet/
[12:29] <chrisc> which saves rebooting...
[12:31] <jgdx> chrisc, oh right. Cool
[12:31] <jgdx> whenever I reboot I do $ adb reboot, and then I get 10-15 seconds of free time to think
[12:31] <jgdx> :p
[12:31] <jgdx> it's a small vacation I cherish
[12:32] <chrisc> i only reboot when the gui is so messed up that a /etc/init/d/lightdb restart doesn't sort it
[12:32] <chrisc> :-)
[12:33] <chrisc> my android phone need far more rebooth than my ubuntu phone
[12:33] <chrisc> reboots
[12:33] <jgdx> well that's good!
[12:33] <jgdx> chrisc, if you find the time though, you might want to do a $ ubuntu-bug # or similar when you're in the messed up state
[12:34] <jgdx> better to file too many bugs than too few
[12:34] <chrisc> ok, but i'm running devel and updating via apt...
[12:34] <chrisc> i have posted some bugs
[12:34] <jgdx> thanks!
[12:34] <chrisc> like no ability to use a socks proxy with the web browser, think that was the last...
[12:51] <dobey> Tassadar_: hey. it seems the hammerhead builds aren't happening for devel-proposed or rtm channels at the moment
[12:52] <Tassadar_> devel-proposed is 297 same as on s-i.u.com
[12:53] <Tassadar_> and rtmp-proposed is on 104, same as on s-i.u.com
[12:53] <Tassadar_> if there are no new builds, then ubuntu build server simply has no new builds
[12:54] <dobey> hmm
[12:54] <dobey> Tassadar_: my n5 isn't showing an update as available
[12:54] <Tassadar_> which version do you have?
[12:55] <dobey> 103 from 14.09-proposed
[12:55] <Tassadar_> try running system-image-cli -n -v via adb/ssh
[13:00] <Tassadar_> http://system-image.tasemnice.eu/ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed/hammerhead/ 104 is definitelly there
[13:01] <dobey> [systemimage] Oct 23 08:57:34 2014 (19199) [0xb5fd7350] Running group download reactor
[13:01] <dobey> and it's hanged there
[13:05] <Tassadar_> dobey: weird, I assume you tried rebooting?
[13:06] <dobey> Tassadar_: not exactly, but i hadn't seen any updates for probably over a week on devel-proposed and flashed to rtm propsed last night; got 103
[13:07] <Mirv> tsdgeos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qttools-opensource-src/+bug/1135394
[13:07] <Tassadar_> you can try accessing system-image.tasemnice.eu via web browser on your phone, to see if you can even get on that server
[13:10] <dobey> hrmm, it's not resolving for some reason :-/
[13:12] <dobey> now it works; for some reason it dropped the network
[13:12] <baudbaud> Hey, I was in here a couple days ago asking about using non-Click applications on Unity 8.
[13:12] <baudbaud> I tried running the Unity Next daily iso on a new x86_64 tablet, but clicking on text areas didn't bring up the on-screen keyboard
[13:13] <baudbaud> The "try Ubuntu without installing" option didn't have a terminal app, which would have been immensely useful
[13:13] <dobey> Tassadar_: so i can wget that url, but seems the update isn't showing up
[13:13] <baudbaud> When I was last here, I was told that there currently isn't a good place to file bugs like these. Is that still the case?
[13:14] <Tassadar_> dobey: system-image-cli is still stuck?
[13:14] <dobey> Tassadar_: yes
[13:14] <Tassadar_> have you tried rebooting?
[13:14] <dobey> not yet
[13:17] <dobey> Tassadar_: still stuck at that point, and no updates in the updates list
[13:18] <Tassadar_> dunno what to tell you
[13:18] <Tassadar_> I'm gonna try it in the evening once I get home
[13:19] <dobey> ok
[13:19] <dobey> i'm trying to do this on cellular data
[13:20] <Tassadar_> maybe try wiping /cache
[13:20] <Tassadar_> or see if it is full
[13:20] <Tassadar_> *check if it is full
[13:21] <Tassadar_> well, my ntb's battery is almost dead, bye for now
[13:24] <dobey> don't see any full partitions really. /lib/modules is 99%, but not sure why that is
[14:45] <mterry_> pmcgowan, can you make bug 1382212 critical?
[14:45] <vitimiti> Hi
[14:47] <pmcgowan> mterry_,it doesnt need to be critical to land, just reviewed on the wishlist
[14:47] <mterry_> pmcgowan, ah...  OK.  well that then
[14:47] <pmcgowan> mterry_, so add to that spreadsheet
[14:47] <mterry_> oh..
[14:47]  * mterry_ has not read some emails about the process I guess
[14:48] <mterry_> found it
[14:58] <pmcgowan> mterry_, I added it
[15:11] <pitti> ogra_: yay! just upgraded to image 104 (mako), and dpkg -l *autopilot* is empty!
[15:12] <ogra_> pitti, yeah !
[15:12] <ogra_> pitti, 40MB shoved off the rootfs tarball
[15:12] <pitti> wow
[15:13] <ogra_> and no obvious issues in smoke testing
[15:13] <pitti> ogra_: I'm running a test with adt-run now, to make sure that we can cover the "missing" packages with the "unpack into /tmp" trick
[15:13] <ogra_> cool
[15:13] <ogra_> let me know how it goes
[15:13] <ogra_> plars, ^^^
[15:13] <pitti> ogra_: I'm quite sure I need to teach it some additional tricks (like the autopilot udev rule), but let's see :)
[15:13] <ogra_> yeah
[15:14] <plars> :)
[15:14] <pitti> ogra_: oh, and did you notice that rsalveti found/fixed the RTM emulator breakage?
[15:14] <pitti> c'est un bon jour
[15:14] <ogra_> yep, we are just discussion how to land it in #ubuntu-ci-eng
[15:15] <ogra_> it is !
[15:15] <ogra_> 10 years ... and unicorns everywhere !
[15:15] <pitti> ogra_: oh yeah, adt-run is now pulling in a gazillion packages
[15:15] <ogra_> and everything seems to work smoothly today
[15:15] <pitti> ogra_: *shhht*, don't say that in a public channel!
[15:15]  * pitti fends off Dr. Murphy
[15:15] <ogra_> haha
[15:16] <ogra_> we have unicorn protectioon today ... murphy is out til tomorrow
[15:16] <pitti> ogra_: so as far as CI and testing goes, it's likely that we can keep this?
[15:16] <pitti> ogra_: oh, right!
[15:16] <ogra_> yep
[15:17] <ogra_> pitti, i asked plars to keep an eye out on the tests (i cant imagine we do not actually have at least one or two small regressions) but it seems all good so far
[15:17] <pitti> ogra_: well, p-test-run just apt-get installs everything with r/w, so that shouldn't make a difference?
[15:18] <pitti> so adt-run doesn't work right now, I'll figure that out
[15:18] <ogra_> yeah, indeed
[15:18] <plars> ogra_: still running, though reminders seems stuck on the auth issues
[15:19] <plars> TypeError: Argument 1 does not allow None as a value
[15:19] <ogra_> buit thats old
[15:19] <plars> balloons: ? I thought that worked now, or at least would make progress past that point
[15:19] <plars> ogra_: indeed, but if there are other things that were slated to run after and it gets stuck it could block them
[15:19]  * balloons reads backlog
[15:21] <balloons> plars, mm indeed, reminders should not be getting stuck
[15:21] <balloons> link?
[15:22] <ogra_> plars, how did 123 finishe then ?
[15:22] <ogra_> *finish
[15:22] <ogra_> it seems to have run fine over night
[15:28] <mterry_> kenvandine_, btw attached bug to that location-three-options MP
[15:30] <pitti> ogra_: oh right, we also pulled autopilot-qt; so Qt doesn't see the ap-qt module in /tmp/.../
[15:30] <ogra_> ah
[15:30] <ogra_> yeah
[15:30] <pitti> but when I wrote the qtsensors tests I figured out how to load Qt modules from the build tree, the same trick should apply
[15:31] <pitti> some more of these, and we can install a full distro into /tmp without root or writable / :)
[15:34] <plars> ogra_: 123 finished a long time ago I think
[15:34] <ogra_> plars, right
[15:34] <maxvi> when ubuntu phones will be released ?
[15:34] <plars> ogra_: going to be in a session for quite a while, and probably can't talk much
[15:34] <ogra_> plars, well, 123 was the last image ... with the dropped AP
[15:35] <ogra_> and reminders finished fine
[15:35] <plars> right, this is on mako that I'm watching though - 104 I think
[15:35] <ogra_> oh, ok
[15:35] <ogra_> i wonder why that would be device specific
[15:36] <ogra_> sounds more like a racy thing
[15:36] <ogra_> maxvi, soon
[15:38] <plars> ogra_: on 123,camera had quite a few more failures - might be one to check
[15:38] <ogra_> yep
[15:56] <pitti> ogra_: do you have a package delta for the autopilot drop?
[16:01] <vitimiti> Bye
[16:05] <ogra_> pitti, indeed i do (sorry, was afk) http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/123.changes
[16:06] <pitti> ogra_: thanks; that's pretty much what I figured out now too
[16:06] <ogra_> heh
[16:12] <pitti> apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="com.ubuntu.calculator_calculator_1.3.334" name="/tmp/adt-run.Rjh6Qi/deps/usr/lib/libqttestability.so.1.0.0" pid=19165 comm="qmlscene" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=32011 ouid=0
[16:12] <pitti> ogra_: oh! that would explain it :)
[16:15] <ogra_> pitti, didnt you call "phablet-config autopilot --dbus-probe enable" ?
[16:15] <pitti> does anyone know where I can find that apparmor profile?
[16:15] <pitti> ogra_: yes I did, but that only allows dbus, not file access
[16:15] <jdstrand> pitti: /var/lib/apparmor/profiles
[16:15] <ogra_> oh
[16:15] <ogra_> ok
[16:16] <pitti> jdstrand: cheers; that's built dynamically?
[16:17] <pitti> jdstrand: so as we don't install the autopilot qt modules any more, we need to put them into /tmp (or another writable path); I figure I need to dynamically adjust the rules to also allow reading from /tmp/<unpack dir>
[16:18] <jdstrand> pitti: when a click is installed, the click-apparmor system hook is run. that calls aa-clickhook which takes the security manifest in /var/lib/apparmor/clicks and generates the profile in /va/rlib/apparmor/profiles
[16:18] <jdstrand> pitti: yes, it sounds like you need to do the same thing that autopilot does
[16:18] <pitti> jdstrand: right, ap dynamically adds the dbus rule
[16:18] <jdstrand> pitti: right
[16:19] <pitti> jdstrand: I don't install a click, I test the installed ones, but should be the same principle indeed
[16:19] <pitti> jdstrand: sudo vi /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_com.ubuntu.calculator_calculator_1.3.334 won't work, I need to reload apparmor, right?
[16:19] <pitti> (for a first test)
[16:19] <jdstrand> pitti: so you have whatever rules you need in a profile, then run 'aa-clickhook -f --include=yourfile
[16:19] <jdstrand> '
[16:19] <pitti> ah
[16:19] <jdstrand> pitti: well, hold on
[16:20] <jdstrand> pitti: that aa-clickhook --include is your long term solution
[16:20] <jdstrand> pitti: for just testing your rules, modify the profile in /var/lib/apparmor/profiles, then do 'sudo apparmor_parser -r /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/...'
[16:20] <jdstrand> '-r' is for reload
[16:21] <pitti> ah, that's what I was looking for, cheers
[16:21] <pitti> blimey, it works!
[16:21] <pitti> so, initctl set-env QT_PLUGIN_PATH, adjust apparmor, and there we go \o/
[16:22] <jdstrand> nice! :)
[16:23] <pitti> jdstrand: so obviously directly finding and modifying /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_com.ubuntu.calculator_calculator_1.3.334 isn't right; what would you recommend how to do that for all click apps?
[16:24] <pitti> jdstrand: does does it actually have to happen per-click? (then I can re-use the same logic as AP)
[16:25] <jdstrand> pitti: for all click apps, that is what 'aa-clickhook -f --include=<your_rules_file>' is for
[16:26] <jdstrand> pitti: that will add whatever is in <your_rules_file> to all the policy in /var/lib/apparmor/profiles
[16:26] <pitti> jdstrand: ah, easy!
[16:28] <jdstrand> pitti: if you are running autopilot tests, you'll want to add those rules too. I just checked and aa-clickhook does not allow specifying --include multiple times, so I'll file a bug. however, to work around it you can just cat /usr/share/autopilot-touch/apparmor/click.rules to the end of your rules file
[16:29] <jdstrand> (perhaps as part of your script, so you don't have to maintain your autopilot rules)
[16:29] <Chipaca> larsu: bug 1384811
[16:30] <larsu> Chipaca: lp:~larsu/indicator-messages/allow-numbers-in-object-paths
[16:31] <larsu> tedg: can you have a look at this please? https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/indicator-messages/allow-numbers-in-object-paths/+merge/239410
[16:33] <jdstrand> pitti: fyi, bug #1384812
[17:37] <pitti> sergiusens: btw, do you know why ubuntu-emulator snapshot --revert-pristine doesn't really revert?
[17:37] <pitti> sergiusens: the qemu images do seem to have snapshots, but after that I get a configured phone with my files instead of a first-time wizard with a pristine fs
[17:38] <sergiusens> pitti: I'd have to look into that as I just "imported" the same logic that was already there
[17:38] <pitti> sergiusens: my current workaround is to cp -r the entire instance dir, but that's a bit unwieldy
[17:38] <tsdgeos> renatu: font?
[17:38] <sergiusens> pitti: it is
[17:38] <pitti> sergiusens: ah ok; not that important, I just wanted to know whether "revert" was actually supposed to do that, as opposed to just wiping /userdata or so
[17:39] <pitti> sergiusens: (i. e. I want to clean up after apt-getting stuff)
[17:39] <larsu> tedg: thanks for the quick review ;)
[17:42] <renatu> tsdgeos, https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/moztt/commit/2372e891b10ff9a7382bbb4fbcd439a75cebd206
[17:43] <renatu> tsdgeos, this is the discussing bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/1137630
[17:46] <tsdgeos> renatu: kfontview doesn't like that font either
[17:46] <tsdgeos> but i can show other emojis fine
[17:46] <tsdgeos> i.e do you see 😉 ?
[17:48] <tsdgeos> renatu: also that Noto font is weird fontforge doesn't like it either
[17:48] <renatu> tsdgeos, yes but they are not colored :D
[17:49] <tsdgeos> correct
[17:50] <tsdgeos> i get a few
[17:50] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8643462/
[17:50] <tsdgeos> no clue how that important is
[17:50] <tsdgeos> can't help more
[17:50] <tsdgeos> sorries
[17:56] <pitti> jdstrand: oh, you are saying that I can't run aa-clickhook twice with a different file each time? i. e. would the second run undo the first one?
[17:56] <jdstrand> pitti: that is correct, but I gave a workaround in the bug
[17:58] <pitti> jdstrand: ack, thanks
[17:58] <pitti> jdstrand: it's not actually a big deal for me
[17:58] <jdstrand> ok. I'll fix it the next time I have a click-apparmor upload then
[18:10]  * vitimiti is back
[18:36] <afm> anyone working on porting that can offer some guidence?
[18:43] <pitti> jdstrand: hmm, what am I doing wrong here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8643956/
[18:43] <pitti> jdstrand: NB I'm testing an already installed click
[18:44] <jdstrand> pitti: you also need '-f' to aa-clickhook
[18:44] <pitti> jdstrand: oh - that's the really expensive one, right?
[18:44] <jdstrand> yes
[18:45] <jdstrand> that changes all of the profiles to have the new rules, the compiles them, then loads them into the kernel
[18:45] <pitti> jdstrand: I know the click's name, so perhaps instead of -f I could just regenerate the profile for that click?
[18:45] <jdstrand> aa-clickhook without -f only updates files where the profile is missing
[18:46] <pitti> jdstrand: ah, that was the touch -h /var/lib/apparmor/clicks/${name}_*_${version}.json
[18:46] <jdstrand> pitti: you could rm -f /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/<profile> ; aa-clickhook --include=...
[18:46] <jdstrand> right, or touch the manifest
[18:46] <jdstrand> either will work
[18:46] <pitti> \o/
[18:46] <pitti> jdstrand: it works with -f
[18:46] <pitti> jdstrand: thanks muchly for your help
[18:47] <pitti> jdstrand: I already use that other workaround for a locally installed click package, so I'll see to factorizing this
[18:47] <pitti> but, AP tests now working with uninstalled autopilot and r/o image
[18:49] <veebers> pitti: nice
[19:00] <dobey> jhodapp: what project/package should i file a bug against for the AudioEngine api?
[19:01] <Tassadar_> dobey: I installed 103 from 14.09-proposed and it downloaded 104 just fine
[19:01] <jhodapp> dobey, what's the issue?
[19:01] <dobey> Tassadar_: thanks
[19:01] <Tassadar_> does it still not work for you?
[19:01] <dobey> jhodapp: it appears to read wav data over a named pipe, but doesn't actually play it through the speakers
[19:02] <dobey> Tassadar_: it doesn't.
[19:02] <Tassadar_> maybe strace system-image-cli to see what is it hanging on
[19:02] <Tassadar_> or just ctrl+c, it is python, it will show backtrace
[19:02] <jhodapp> dobey, file it against qtubuntu-media
[19:02] <jgdx> Why are we using ListItem.Standard as header in USS?
[19:03] <dobey> Tassadar: yeah but ^C just shows KeyboardInterrupt
[19:04] <Tassadar> maybe it is turned off?
[19:04] <dobey> Tassadar: what is turned off?
[19:04] <Tassadar> printing the whole backtrace
[19:04] <Tassadar> also, check if you have enough space in /cache
[19:05] <Tassadar> or what is in cache, might be something is blocking it for some reason
[19:05] <dobey> let me check. df -h didn't show it as full
[19:16] <dobey> jhodapp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu-media/+bug/1384876
[19:17] <dobey> Tassadar: /cache/recover/ only has 400K in it, so I doubt that's the problem :-/
[19:17] <jhodapp> dobey, thanks
[19:17] <Tassadar> you can try deleting it, just to be sure
[19:17] <Tassadar> anyway, you have tried reboot already, right?
[19:17] <dobey> Tassadar: yes
[19:17] <Tassadar> dunno what to tell you, it works for me and the images are there
[19:18] <Tassadar> maybe bug barry, he works on system-image-cli (and isn't here right now)
[19:19] <dobey> yeah
[19:30] <dobey> Tassadar: ok, i let it sit there for a while and it seems to have thrown a TimeoutError now
[19:30] <dobey> ah well
[19:31] <Tassadar> the internet tubes might be clogged up with cats or something
[19:55] <jgdx> seb128, $ bzr ci -m "sweet header items" && bzr push
[19:55] <jgdx> let me know how it goes!
[19:55] <kenvandine> haha
[19:55] <kenvandine> seb128, i let the secret out about your header fix :)
[19:55] <kenvandine> seb128, now jgdx is drooling for it
[19:55] <jgdx> I've been dreaming about it for months
[19:57] <charles> nik90, it looks like we may also need to ping (zsombi? renatu?)  to bring them in on bug #1362341
[19:57] <charles> nik90, I have indicator-datetime marking the one-time alarms as disabled, as we agreed on, in my megabranch
[19:58] <charles> nik90, ie, tasks.ics gets updated s.t. the categories reads:
[19:58] <charles> CATEGORIES:x-canonical-alarm,x-canonical-disabled
[19:58] <charles> nik90, but clock-app doesn't update itself when that happens
[19:58] <nik90> charles: oh
[19:58] <charles> nik90, I don't know if that's a clock-app issue or a lower level one
[19:59] <charles> nik90, if you've got clock-app listening for that kind of change already, I can look at the lower levels and see if I can find the problem
[19:59] <nik90> charles: I think its a lower level issue
[19:59] <charles> nik90, ack. I'll investigate
[19:59] <nik90> since the Alarms SDK should technically listen for those changes
[19:59] <nik90> charles: when I mean lower level, I mean the Alarms SDK API
[19:59] <nik90> I think zsombi can provide a more educated answer to this
[20:02] <mterry> boiko, heyo!  You actually online?
[20:02] <boiko> mterry: yep
[20:03] <mterry> boiko, so in terms of listening for when to stop a ringtone, you should be able to just listen to Powerd signals (i.e. I don't think unity8 needs to be involved yet)
[20:03] <boiko> mterry: that's nice, I remember someone mentioning unity8 was eating those events and that's why we thought we would need it to forward them
[20:04] <mterry> boiko, we listen for those same events on DBus
[20:05] <boiko> mterry: nice! would you mind to point me to this code?
[20:05] <mardy> ricmm: hi! I have a problem with the network on one device (QNetworkManager is taking 10 seconds to initialize), do you know who could help me debug the issue?
[20:05] <mterry> boiko, you can see an example in unity8/plugins/Powerd/
[20:06] <mterry> boiko, ah, the signal is from unity-system-compositor, not actually powerd
[20:06] <mterry> boiko, but same difference
[20:06] <boiko> mterry: nice! thanks!
[20:06] <mterry> boiko, you want to look at the code that listens to DisplayPowerStateChange
[20:06] <mterry> boiko, (eventually you want to actually just pay attention to actual power button presses, not screen off events -- but that requires some re-architecting that isn't happening in short term)
[20:08] <ogra_> pitti, bug 1384841
[20:25] <one> hello everyone
[20:29] <one> hey i had to come and ask if anyones been porting the ubuntu phone os for any mtk chipset ?
[20:38] <Guest47970> hi
[20:38] <pitti> ogra_: I'm always fine to upload stuff directly -- I'm a core-dev :-)
[20:39] <pitti> ogra_: and FTR, big +1 on syncing
[20:39] <meko> yo
[20:39] <ogra_> pitti, well, better hope that olli didnt see that sentence :P
[20:39] <meko> how do get ubunto on sony
[20:41] <pitti> ogra_: *shrug* :)
[20:41] <ogra_> haha
[21:02] <mardy> cyphermox: hi! Do you have a few minutes to talk about bug 1380683?
[21:02] <cyphermox> err, sure, but I'm not sure just yet how I'll be able to help
[21:03] <mardy> cyphermox: eh, let's see :-) which room are you in?
[21:03] <cyphermox> I'm in the phonedations room
[21:03] <mardy> cyphermox: ok, coming
[21:12] <mardy> lpotter: hi! cyphermox told me that you are working on QNAM
[21:12] <lpotter> indeed
[21:13] <mardy> lpotter: can you please have a look at bug 1380683?
[21:13] <lpotter> the QtBearer backend was/is in need of much love
[21:13] <mardy> lpotter: in some cases, the device (N4) gets into a state where instantiating a QNAM takes 10 seconds
[21:14] <lpotter> off the top of my head, I blame synchronous dbus calls... which _should_ be resolved upstream soon
[21:15] <mardy> lpotter: it always takes about 10 seconds, so it really looks like a timeout
[21:15] <lpotter> upstream being 5.4, since 5.3 is rather closed
[21:15] <mardy> lpotter: I wonder what's the timeout on the dbus system bus...
[21:15] <lpotter> ahh. ok
[21:16] <lpotter> less than 20 seconds by default.
[21:16] <lpotter> err 10 even
[21:25] <sergiusens> mvo_: hey, can you tell me what I'm doing wrong here? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8645830/
[21:35] <charles> mihir, ping
[21:36] <mihir> charles: pong
[21:36] <charles> mihir, how does calendar-app read/save its events to EDS?
[21:38] <mihir> charles: we use QtOrganizer 5.0
[21:38] <mihir> charles: so we create/modify an object of Event.
[21:38] <charles> mihir, it looks like it's going straight to qtorganizer5-eds inside of EventListModel
[21:39] <mihir> charles: nope if you see save Function it does save to model.
[21:40] <mihir> model.saveItem(event);
[21:40] <mihir>             pageStack.pop();
[21:41] <charles> mihir, I should have phrased that better, it looks like it's using eds as the backend (ie, qtorganizer5-eds) and is instantiating the model in EventListModel
[21:42] <charles> and in the NewEvent, it calls model.saveItem() with the model it got from root.model.getCollections(), which is implemented in EventListModel
[21:42] <charles> mihir, I haven't done a huge amount of QML and am just making sure that I'm understanding the flow right :)
[21:43] <mihir> charles: yes we are using EDS as backend which is communicating to evolution calendar.
[21:43] <mihir> charles: does that make sense
[21:43] <charles> mihir, ya.
[21:44] <charles> I was just trying to understand where the QtOrganizer came from and how NewEvent was using it
[21:44] <charles> I'm trying to figure out where the timezone bug is, datetime, calendar-app, or qt5organizer-eds
[21:44] <charles> renatu: ^ :-)
[21:45] <charles> mihir, thanks
[21:45] <mihir> charles: np
[21:46] <charles> mihir, one last question, that model is a QOrganizerManager, right?
[21:47] <renatu> charles, we just merged this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/qtorganizer5-eds/trunk/revision/66
[21:47] <renatu> charles, maybe it fixes the bug
[21:48] <charles> renatu, is it in the images yet?
[21:48] <renatu> I do not know
[21:48] <charles> renatu, ok. I'll take a look. thanks for the link :)
[21:49] <renatu> mihir, could you test this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-atthendee-list/+merge/239460
[21:49] <renatu> mihir, check if you still having problems with all day events
[21:49] <renatu> charles, do you have the last image?
[21:50] <charles> renatu, I'm seeing the calendar-app issue in rtm r102
[21:50] <renatu> charles, check if the qtorganizer5-eds version is  0.1.1+14.10.20141010-0ubuntu1
[21:51] <renatu> charles, do you have the link to the bug?
[21:51] <charles> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ dpkg -s qtorganizer5-eds | grep Version
[21:51] <charles> Version: 0.1.1+14.10.20141001.4-0ubuntu1
[21:51] <charles> nine days older
[21:51] <charles> renatu, do you have an armhf handy? :-)
[21:51] <charles> renatu, sure, one moment
[21:51] <charles> renatu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1372254
[21:52] <charles> renatu, ics porn in comment #7
[21:52] <renatu> charles, try that: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-1311165/+merge/237142
[21:52] <charles> this sounds a lot like your fix
[21:52] <charles> renatu, ok
[21:53] <charles> renatu, was that really only two weeks ago? that review feels like... ~6 weeks ago :P
[21:54] <renatu> charles, it got stuck due the SDK release
[21:55] <charles> renatu, mihir, installing the armhf deb and re-testing
[21:55] <charles> I bet this is the fix
[21:56] <mihir> renatu: sure i'll do that and let you know tomorrow. my calendar doesn't work on device
[21:57] <charles> mihir, iirc there's also an autopilot test bug reported on calendar-app that's also related to timezones... might see if renatu's patch fixes that as well
[21:57] <mihir> charles: yup may be it should.
[21:57] <mihir> charles: i can double check this.
[21:58]  * charles curses at ubuntu-ui-toolkit for not supporting 12h in the time picker
[22:00] <charles> mihir, renatu: whoo https://www.dropbox.com/s/i371p98wzrdyrgy/2014-10-23%2017.59.19.jpg?dl=0
[22:00] <mihir> charles: Woohhh :D finally
[22:01] <mihir> charles: i am curious to know what it Event name and clock icon ?
[22:02] <charles> mihir, it's because I typed "Event name" for the event name, and because RTM still has the icon bug
[22:03] <renatu> charles, great
[22:03] <charles> mihir, I've got it now using the "calendar" and "calendar-today" icons
[22:03] <mihir> charles: great :)
[22:04] <mihir> charles: I am happy as it is not misguide  now to users
[22:05] <charles> :)
[22:07] <charles> hmmmm
[22:09] <charles> mihir, let's say you create a 9:00 event for a week from now, and sometime over the next week you go to a different timezone
[22:09] <charles> mihir, should the event be triggered at 9:00 of the timezone you're in next week?
[22:09] <charles> if so, this calendar.ics is still wrong :(
[22:09] <mihir> charles: good question.
[22:09] <mihir> charles: but again it should be depend on your phone timezone right?
[22:10] <charles> after renatu's patch, the timestamp's being converted to utc and then saved in utc
[22:11] <charles> which is an improvement, since they're both the same now :)
[22:11] <charles> but let's say you leave VA this weekend... how can EDS know what offset to apply to reverse that UTC-ification?
[22:12] <charles> mihir, does that make sense? We're in UTC-4, so when saved to calendar.ics the DTSTART gets 4 hours added to it
[22:13] <charles> but there's no way to know "four hours" is the magic number when we're in a different timezone
[22:13] <charles> probably better to save these as floating times and leave UTC out of it entirely
[22:15] <mvo_> sergiusens: hi, sorry, only just now saw it, can we debug tomorrow?
[22:16] <mihir> charles: hmmm
[22:16] <mihir> charles: may be we can do that.
[22:16] <mihir> charles: but still i am not sure.
[22:27] <renatu> charles, mihir , yes if you want the event to be in a fixed time even if you change the device timezone you need to save it as floating time, like the alarm does
[22:27] <renatu> charles, mihir, but this is not common on calendar events since they are events and events are based on timezones
[22:28] <renatu> charles, mihir, but both case are supported by qtorganizer-eds
[22:39] <mihir> renatu: charles we need to discuss and come out for the conclusion how should we store this.
[22:39] <mihir> but yes as of now charles let's keep it fix in UTC
[22:43] <mardy> lpotter: hi! still there?
[22:44] <mardy> lpotter: I was just looking at the proposed changes to qnam, and I think I saw some problems in https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/97542/
[22:44] <mardy> lpotter: I'll comment there
[22:45] <lpotter> ok


 "Oh so that's what it means 😏..." <- > <@karma_vil:matrix.org> Oh so that's what it means 😏
[07:22] <Saviq> > There is a classic from Trendtemøller I've always loved.  Definitely a song you could relate to a bug.
[07:22] <Saviq> > There's something to learn in every corner. Thank you 😊
[07:22] <Saviq> It's something of a mix of yawn / moan / morning ;) (and then, sorry if obvious, `o/` is a hand wave)
[07:23] <Saviq> Good morning \o
[09:29] <alan_g[m]> Saviq: should I cherrypick #2982 and #2983 into the release branch for a 2.14.1 tag before merging? Or are things "good enough"?
[09:31] <Saviq> alan_g[m]: Since we need a new release, might as well. Otherwise we won't have Mir 2.14.1 for Ubuntu devel, which would be a bit meh
[09:42] <Saviq> alan_g remember the CMake version before you tag ;)
[09:43] <alan_g[m]> Saviq: Did I miss something?
[09:43] <Saviq> https://github.com/MirServer/mir/blob/8918974abc76b40b2cc235fb9e1e185bbd6449ea/CMakeLists.txt#L27-L29
[09:44] <Saviq> I've canceled the PPA Upload for 2.14.1, otherwise PPA would be burnt again
[09:47] <alan_g[m]> Got it. Thanks!
[09:58] <Saviq> You need to git push -d origin v2.14.1 and tag again
[10:00] <alan_g[m]> I just was going to ask that. Thanks
[10:32] <Saviq> alan_g so now you can grab the signed tarball from https://github.com/MirServer/mir/actions/runs/5621072227
[13:12] <Saviq> alan_g we also have the wlcs FTBFS in the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/ubuntu/release/+sourcepub/15032311/+listing-archive-extra
[13:13] <alan_g[m]> Saviq: We do. I have it on my list, but haven't started yet...
[13:13] <Saviq> We already have a workaround for ppc64el: https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/blob/main/debian/rules#L27-L35, but that looks like a different problem
[15:54] <Saviq> alan_g does this (intermittent) failure stem from the lack of wlcs 1.6?
[15:54] <Saviq> ```plain
[15:54] <Saviq> 	 18 - wlcs.ClientSurfaceEventsTest.* (Failed)
[15:54] <Saviq> ```
[15:54] <Saviq> Hmm no, that's only on mantic, and those failures are across the board
[15:55] <alan_g[m]> Saviq: No, that would only be VirtualPointerV1Test.*
[15:56] <Saviq> Filed https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2986 then
[16:03] <Saviq> Good weekend all o\
 "No, that would only be VirtualPo..." <- I think I misspoke - Chris also did some cleanup there
[17:26] <alan_g[m]> Today:
[17:26] <alan_g[m]> * Shepherding Mir 2.14.1
[17:26] <alan_g[m]> * Reviewing today's Alt Tab rev of PR
[17:26] <alan_g[m]> * Poking at wlcs FTBFS
[21:41] <mattkae[m]> Update:
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