[00:36] <sandy|lurk> it's kind of frustrating how many U1 bugs are private
[00:37] <sandy|lurk> I get google alerts about tomboy users having issues syncing, like here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8277923
[00:37] <sandy|lurk> and they file a launchpad bug to which I'd like to subscribe myself: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/479417
[00:37] <sandy|lurk> but then I don't have access
[00:37] <sandy|lurk> this sort of thing has happened a few times
[00:38] <sandy|lurk> is there a good reason for these bugs being private (security?), or is it just a default that could maybe be changed?
[02:47] <RachaelB> too much to hope that anyone is around?
[02:52] <RachaelB> oh well... n/m
[06:22] <wgrant> I've had to reauthorise my laptop at least twice in the past week. Any ideas?
[06:25] <spm> wgrant: fwiw, your best bet TZ wise is around our 7pm, or better still, 1st thing our morning. heh. from 6am on, if you're up that early. ;-)
[06:26] <spm> asking as in. dur. one missed word....
[06:27] <wgrant> Well, I don't particularly care. It's just vaguely annoying, giving that there's no way I'm going to actually use U1 at the moment.
[06:27] <wgrant> s/giving/given/
[06:40] <PRIDE> so....what is ubuntu one?
[06:42] <spm> PRIDE: https://one.ubuntu.com/ front and centre.
[06:43] <PRIDE> spm, can you share them with non linux users?
[06:45] <spm> via the webui? should be.
[06:46] <PRIDE> spm, whats a webui?
[06:46] <spm> website. The WEB User Interface.
[06:46] <PRIDE> spm...kkthx
[06:46] <spm> https://one.ubuntu.com/features/#syncing-sharing
[06:50] <kosmonaut_> a question here: I have uploaded my contacts via evolution into ubuntuone (everything is fine, i can see all of them). Now I have change some contacts in the couchdb localy (on my pc), how would I synchronize the changes, so that they are available in ubuntuone. (Sorry for my poor English)
[07:29] <kosmonaut_> noone?
[12:19] <strywgr> can i upload anything to ubuntuone from windows using another computer system and download it laters?
[12:24] <verterok> strywgr: if you mean using the webui, yes
[13:15] <skx> is there a howto somewhere or a tutorial on how to (securely) synchronize settings -- firefox bookmarks and passwords, pidgin, evolution, temrinal... -- between two Ubuntu computers over Ubuntu One?
[13:30] <rodrigo_> skx: not that I know, but in theory you would just need o create links to the files you want to sync under ~/Ubuntu One
[13:30] <skx> rodrigo_, I don't think that's a safe solution, two evolution instances fighting over their configuration files
[13:31] <rodrigo_> skx: it's not a supported thing, so we haven't thought much about it
[13:31] <skx> rodrigo_, also, ubuntu one offers no encryption except for transit
[13:31] <skx> hm, ok, thanks
[13:31] <rodrigo_> skx: for future versions, we should probably just have a config (gconf, etc) backends
[13:31] <skx> can't wait :)
[13:32] <rodrigo_> skx: if you're a coder, it shouldn't be hard at all
[13:33] <rodrigo_> skx: oh, but you already have bookmarks syncing, have you tried bindwood?
[13:33] <skx> rodrigo_, I was lurking around, that's why I came to ask
[13:33] <rodrigo_> skx: for the rest, you'd need to wait a little bit
[13:33] <skx> thanks again
[13:34] <rodrigo_> skx: you're welcome
[14:02] <rubbbens> Hello!
[14:02] <rubbbens> I'm having some problem using UbuntuOne on a 9.04 descktop behind a company proxy.
[14:03] <rubbbens> any suggestion?
[14:03] <verterok> rubbbens: hi
[14:03] <verterok> rubbbens: using the client behind a proxy isn't supported yet :(
[14:03] <rubbbens> Hi verterok
[14:03] <rubbbens> ohhh ok...
[14:03] <rubbbens> I'll try at home
[14:04] <rubbbens> thanks
[14:04] <verterok> np
[15:48] <rtagger> quick question - basically anything I put in local couchdb gets replicated to ubuntuone servers? I.e. i create new database, fill it with data and it goes to ubuntuone automatically?
[16:01] <rodrigo_> rtagger: yes
[16:03] <rtagger> rodrigo_, nice, thanks :)
[16:24] <skx> hm, can you move the Ubuntu One folder? from ~/Ubuntu One to some other location?
[16:24] <skx> I'll google it first ;)
[16:26] <skx> symlink is the only option? hm, ok
[16:36] <silwol> hello everybody
[16:37] <skx> hello
[16:37] <silwol> I don't know if any of the responsible people is reading, but if there are... are you planning to provide a subscription with more than 50g?
[16:39] <jblount> silwol: There aren't any plans *right now* but we have talked about what it would take to expand the paid subscription.
[16:39] <jblount> silwol: How much would you like?
[16:39] <skx> yeah, one is a little behind the competition ;\
[16:39] <skx> but it's much, much lighter than, say, dropbox
[16:39] <silwol> For the moment, I would be happy with 100gb.
[16:40] <silwol> my private family photos and short videos are about 60gb at the moment
[16:40] <silwol> and I would love to sync them over ubuntu one
[16:40] <jblount> silwol: That seems to be the amount most people start at. One of the ideas we've tossed around is doing something a little more ala carte, so that you could do as much as you would like in 50gb increments. We don't have any plans to implement, but thanks for sharing that data with us :)
[16:41] <silwol> you're welcome. I will keep watching and using the service for my smaller files, and once there is an offer that fits for me, i'll rent it.
[21:28] <statik> CardinalFang, thanks for the email to the erlang packaging list, i think you explained things better than I was able to
[21:29] <CardinalFang> Thanks.  I hope it helps.


[00:59] <bluesabre> good news, I seem to have figured out some of the issues with menulibre :]
[01:21] <knome> "some"?
[01:40] <jjfrv8> knome, you still up?
[01:44] <jjfrv8> good to hear, bluesabre :)
[02:02] <jjfrv8> knome, something to start the discussion with anyway: http://imagebin.org/293613
[02:03] <Unit193> jjfrv8: Miss XP, do we? :P
[02:04] <jjfrv8> ?
[03:28] <Noskcaj> yay, panel 4.11
[03:28] <Noskcaj> packaging now
[03:32] <Unit193> Handy indeed.
[03:32] <Unit193> (Has a commit to fix transparency.)
[03:38] <Unit193> Looks like it wasn't tagged though...
[03:45] <andrzejr> Unit193, wait a moment...
[03:46] <Noskcaj> thanks for the releases andrzejr
[03:46] <Unit193> Oh no, he read me. :3
[03:46] <andrzejr> tags should be ok now
[03:47] <andrzejr> also released xfce4-indicator-plugin
[03:48] <andrzejr> One thing unclear about the panel is dependency on xfconf - so far no 4.11.0 version yet but there were some changes in git.
[03:55] <Unit193> garcon, yeah.
[03:55] <Unit193> Thanks!
[04:09] <Noskcaj> both updates done, just have to wait for sponsorings
[04:12] <Unit193> \o/
[05:08] <bluesabre> finally... made add directory functionality work right
[05:09] <bluesabre> and fixed xfce toplevel adding
[05:09] <bluesabre> tomorrow will be a good day for menulibre
[05:09] <bluesabre> :)
[06:14] <Unit193> Updated my "small-fixes" branch for the seed, s/gcalctool/gnome-calculator/ as it's a transitional package.
[09:05] <elfy> lderan: how's "Set up a list of applications we want to look at for automated package testing" going?
[09:34] <elfy> ochosi knome - whiskermenu and gtk3 indicators now on tracker
[10:07] <DanChapman> elfy lderan are you guys still planning to use autopilot, i have an MP waiting which adds a test runner for the tests so they can be run in a pristine environment much like ubiquity tests
[10:17] <elfy> planning ... can't see it coming to fruition in this cycle though
[10:18] <elfy> see 09:05 ^^ :)
[10:29] <elfy> DanChapman: ^^
[11:08] <brainwash> elfy: looks like we can start disabling all the additional PPAs :)
[11:14] <ochosi> nice, releases of the panel and indicator-plugin!
[11:23] <ochosi> thanks a lot andrzejr !
[11:25] <ali12341> that's really cool
[11:25] <ali12341> the panel transparency fix even got in
[11:25] <ochosi> yup :)
[11:26] <ochosi> it's pretty much all we need for trusty
[11:26] <ochosi> (apart from the usual odd bugfix)
[11:27] <ochosi> and that's even before b1, it's hard to believe :)
[11:27] <elfy> brainwash: yea indeed, not sure which ones to disable yet lol
[11:30] <ochosi> knome: i'll try to do the panel-layout today
[11:30] <ochosi> ali12341: would've been nice to see panel-switch get a UI in time for trusty
[11:31] <elfy> brainwash: not sure about anyone else but I've got http://pastebin.com/5t1V6eDx
[11:31] <ochosi> ali12341: we could package/upload it as is, if you think you could do a UI in time for release (could sneak that in as bugfix or FFe)
[11:31] <ali12341> i don't think i will have time
[11:32] <ochosi> elfy: depends on what has landed, but what you can remove once that's landed is: lightdm-gtk-greeter, noskcaj-indicator, shimmerproject, xubuntu-dev
[11:32] <ochosi> elfy: not sure what's in unit193-trusty again
[11:32] <elfy> think it was tabwin
[11:32] <ochosi> elfy: and i guess mugshot has already landed, so you can remove everything
[11:32] <ochosi> ah
[11:33] <brainwash> tabwin + root pixmap support
[11:33] <ochosi> hmm, well that won't make it into 14.04 unless there comes a release for xfwm4 with the branch merged, like tomorrow
[11:33] <elfy> ochosi: I'll purge them prior to b1
[11:33] <ochosi> hm, i wonder whether the packages in trusty won't supercede the PPA packages
[11:33] <ali12341> they should do
[11:34] <ochosi> if they do, you simply won't be getting updates anymore from teh PPAs
[11:34] <ali12341> depends what version number the ppa uses
[11:34] <ochosi> ali12341: :'( i understand, time is scarce. still, i think this is something really really useful. would you be ok with someone else providing a patch?
[11:34] <ali12341> sure
[11:35] <ochosi> i mean while the current implementation isn't perfect and not ready for upstream, i think users will appreciate it
[11:35] <ochosi> maybe lderan has time and motivation for another small project
[11:35] <brainwash> what about the headerbar xfwm4 patch?
[11:35] <ochosi> yeah, hasn't been merged yet
[11:36] <ochosi> so i dunno, we'd have to sneak that in as a patch
[11:36] <ochosi> might be quite big as a patch
[11:36] <brainwash> more apps will switch to headerbar only and look somewhat ugly
[11:36] <ochosi> and humm, i'd need to update our themes (that's not really a problem though)
[11:36] <ali12341> what apps?
[11:36] <ochosi> e.g. gthumb
[11:36] <brainwash> some gnome apps, elementary apps
[11:36] <ochosi> that's one reason why we dropped it
[11:37] <brainwash> and more to come (PPAs)
[11:37] <ali12341> i think it looks fine with two header bars actually
[11:37] <brainwash> ochosi: and gtkparasite :P
[11:37] <ali12341> can you hack the theme so that the headerbar doesn't have the title?
[11:37] <ali12341> then it would just look like a regular toolbar
[11:38] <ochosi> not sure
[11:38] <ochosi> that's another workaround i guess
[11:38] <ali12341> also the close button
[11:38] <ochosi> would have to be xubuntu-specific though
[11:38] <ali12341> just make them height and width 0px
[11:38] <ochosi> since greybird supports gnome3 as well
[11:38] <ali12341> well, perhaps there are some gnome3 users who don't like headerbar?
[11:39] <ochosi> nah, it's about the window-manager supporting headerbar
[11:39] <ochosi> if i break it, then that won't look nice in all gnome3 apps
[11:39] <ochosi> cause they use it by default
[11:39] <ochosi> 3rd party apps are also switching to that very rapidly (without thinking about fallbacks)
[11:39] <ali12341> seems like that's gnome3's problem
[11:40] <ochosi> no, the 3rd party apps also make it our problem
[11:41] <ali12341> i remain unconvinced
[11:43] <ochosi> could be worse: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-16-124320.php
[11:45] <ali12341> right
[11:45] <ochosi> no idea how to remove that close-button though
[11:45] <ali12341> http://imagebin.org/293661
[11:46] <ali12341> if you can hide them it will just look like a regular toolbar
[11:46] <ochosi> yup
[11:48] <ali12341> no need to actually remove them, just style them so that they are invisible
[11:48] <ali12341> maybe even render:none; would work
[11:48] <ali12341> or display:none;
[11:51] <ochosi> yeah, but then there's an empty space there
[11:52] <ochosi> since there are options to move the close button to the other side (have yet to find them though), i guess we have to be able to hide them to
[11:52] <ochosi> just set "position: /dev/null;"
[11:54] <ali12341> or width:0px;
[11:58] <ochosi> actually with "0" you don't use "px" anymore
[11:58] <ochosi> i guess they felt that's uncool :)
[12:05] <ali12341> there's a gtk option show-close-button which hides the x
[12:09] <Unit193> http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2014-January/030607.html he used the right term for it.
[12:14] <ali12341> why doesn't calculator have a headerbar on trusty?
[12:15] <ali12341> i could proably make aLD_PRELOAD hack that selectively disables the header bar if there is nothing in it, or just hides the title and close button if there is
[12:16] <ochosi> ali12341: ubuntu devs have patched "most" gnome3 apps
[12:16] <ochosi> e.g. evince
[12:17] <ochosi> they submitted patches upstream afaik to provide a fallback-mode if the app is used in !gnome-shell
[12:17] <ali12341> for ach individual app?
[12:17] <ochosi> yup
[12:17] <ali12341> that's lame
[12:17] <ochosi> for evince it took like 3 versions i think to get fixed
[12:17] <ochosi> they're still working on fileroller
[12:17] <ochosi> to get gnome-appmenu -> normal menu
[12:18] <ali12341> well, not much i can do about the appmenus
[12:18] <ochosi> it's lame of upstream gnome3 and app-devs to not think of other DEs
[12:18] <ali12341> i don't mind those though
[12:18] <ochosi> well they take the full width of a menubar while providing 1 item
[12:18] <ochosi> that is lame
[12:18] <Unit193> ochosi: But not unexpected at all. :/
[12:19] <ali12341> but generally they only have one menu under them
[12:19] <ochosi> Unit193: unexpected things still happen ;) (systemd)
[12:19] <ochosi> ali12341: yup, gnome3 shows that in the panel
[12:19] <ochosi> which is weird imo, having the gear-menu in the window-deco and that other menu in the panel
[12:19] <ali12341> i don't understand
[12:20] <ochosi> there are 2 menus in gnome3
[12:20] <ochosi> the appmenu (with global settings for the app) in the panel
[12:20] <ochosi> and the gear-menu, which is in the client-side decorations
[12:20] <ali12341> like xfce4-panel?
[12:20] <ochosi> (not sure how the latter is called)
[12:20] <ochosi> no, only in gnome3's panel
[12:20] <ali12341> so we can't access that menu at all?
[12:20] <ochosi> for us that's in the menubar
[12:21] <ali12341> where?
[12:21] <ochosi> that's already the fallback
[12:21] <ochosi> e.g. in file-roller in trusty
[12:21] <ali12341> sorry i still don't understand :S
[12:22] <ochosi> appmenu: http://picomol.de/wp-content/uploads/libreoffice_4.2-gnome_appmenu.png
[12:22] <ali12341> can you show me with gthumb?
[12:22] <ochosi> that gets converted to a single menubaritem
[12:22] <ochosi> no, gthumb uses the headerbar, which is something else again
[12:22] <ochosi> let me see whether i can find a screenshot with both
[12:23] <ochosi> ok, e.g. http://scr3.golem.de/screenshots/1205/gnome_36_design/thumb620/calculator-app-menu.png
[12:23] <ali12341> so if you run unpatched calculator on xfce where does that menu appear?
[12:23] <ochosi> as a single item in the menubar
[12:23] <ochosi> no other options, only these
[12:23] <ali12341> what does it look like?
[12:23] <ochosi> like a regular menubar
[12:23] <ochosi> but it should have 3 items in that menubar
[12:23] <ochosi> like it currently has
[12:24] <ochosi> that's what the fallback mode does
[12:24] <ochosi> sry, gotta quickly run out
[12:24] <ochosi> bbiab
[12:39] <ochosi> ali12341: this is what i called the "gear menu": http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/GNOME-s-File-Manager-Will-Be-More-User-Friendly-409360-4.png
[12:40] <ochosi> ali12341: and here you can see both, although not in action: http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/files/2013/12/radiance4.png
[12:43] <ali12341> what's a good way to create a NULL widget that doesn't draw anything?
[13:03] <ochosi> hey sergio-br2
[13:03] <ochosi> how's it going with the folders?
[13:04] <ochosi> ali12341: why would you wanna do that?
[13:04] <ochosi> or where
[13:04] <ali12341> headerbar has "custom title" widget
[13:04] <ali12341> if you set it it hides the normal title
[13:06] <ochosi> aha
[13:06] <ochosi> actually for xfce we can simply hide it in the theme
[13:07] <ali12341> oh, okay then :)
[13:07] <ali12341> this wouldn't work very well anyway
[13:07] <ali12341> there's no way to know if the app hides or unhides it
[13:07] <ochosi> i'll see whether i can tweak the headerbar more during the course of today
[13:08] <ali12341> hiding the close button works quite well though
[13:08] <ochosi> well i can do "fg-color=bg-color"
[13:08] <ochosi> ah, how did you do it?
[13:08] <ali12341> replace the gtk_header_bar_set_show_close_button function with a preload stub that always sets it to false
[13:09] <ochosi> meh, i thought you did it in the theme
[13:09] <ali12341> hmm actually...
[13:09] <ali12341> maybe the header bar could be permanently hidden, and then just catch when it packs things into it and put them somewhere else
[13:10] <ali12341> like a toolbar
[13:12] <ochosi> you wanna patch gtk upstream?
[13:13] <sergio-br2> hey, hello everyone
[13:17] <ali12341> ochosi: it's a runtime patch
[13:22] <sergio-br2> ochosi, i think places96 branch is ready to merge
[13:23] <sergio-br2> it's missing some icons, but you said that they are optional
[13:29] <brainwash_> ochosi: should I remove https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/xubuntu-default-settings/desktop-icon-size ?
[13:31] <brainwash_> a new release of xfdesktop will land in trusty hopefully soon and set the icon size to 48
[13:52] <ali12341> ochosi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6943234/
[13:54] <ochosi> ali12341: doesn't look very long, so you'd just add this to the xfce session then?
[13:54] <ali12341> i wouldn't recommend anyone actually uses it
[13:55] <ochosi> :)
[13:56] <elfy> brainwash_: 48? wouldn't 24 be better ... :p
[13:56] <ali12341> so are there any apps that have a headerbar with no buttons?
[13:58] <bluesabre> I would hope not
[13:58] <ochosi> ali12341: no, headerbar is always toolbar+window-controls
[13:58] <bluesabre> that completely destroys the purpose
[13:59] <ali12341> i mean no buttons except window controls
[13:59] <ali12341> like calculator
[14:01] <brainwash_> elfy: 48 is now the default (upstream), the grid layout is also more compact now, so it looks similar to thunar's icon view
[14:02] <elfy> was not serious ;)
[14:42] <ali12341> hmm... got another approach... patch GtkHeaderBar out of existence entirely
[14:48] <ochosi> not sure that has good chances of getting merged upstream
[14:49] <ali12341> well it's still a runtime patch
[14:50] <ochosi> brainwash_: yeah, feel free to drop that one. also, i've already changed greybird accordingly
[14:52] <ali12341> this works surprisingly well
[14:53] <ali12341> basically i patch gtk_header_bar_new to return a GtkBox instead, which has nearly all the same API
[14:53] <ali12341> then ignore any operation that isn't adding buttons
[14:54] <ali12341> GtkBox, when empty, uses no room
[14:54] <ali12341> so this makes the headerbar go away completely unless someone adds a button to it, in which case you only see the buttons, and nothing else
[14:59] <Unit193> Wow.
[15:01] <ochosi> but the theming is probably a bit strange
[15:01] <ochosi> cause it's flat, unlike toolbars
[15:01] <ochosi> (which would probably be the best option, themingwise)
[15:01] <ali12341> yeah, because it is drawn outside the window frame it has no background
[15:02] <ali12341> the buttons are themed correctly
[15:02] <ochosi> ah, hmmm
[15:02] <ochosi> that's a problem, the gtkbox not having/drawing a background (in this case)
[15:02] <ali12341> http://imagebin.org/293678
[15:03] <ochosi> that's a bit ... ouch :)
[15:10] <ali12341> it's fixable :)
[15:10] <ochosi> yeah, i guess
[15:10] <ochosi> i'm just wondering whether the simple theming trick to make it look like a toolbar is better/easier/safer
[15:11] <ali12341> sure, i'm just doing this for fun
[15:14] <ochosi> i assume you prefer this to writing a UI for panel-switch :}
[15:43] <ali12341> cool, it works
[15:43] <ali12341> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6943801/
[16:57] <pleia2> knome: you about?
[16:57] <pleia2> knome: need you to review a draft post for the site <3
[16:58] <elfy> hi pleia2
[16:58] <pleia2> hi there elfy
[16:58] <pleia2> you want to have a look? :D
[16:58] <elfy> can do :)
[16:59] <pleia2> "Xubuntu Marketing with SpreadUbuntu Flyer - Draft"
[16:59] <pleia2> ^^ in the list of posts
[17:01] <elfy> pleia2: yep - assumed as much :)
[17:02] <elfy> pleia2: can I assume that I don't need to ping you re [xubuntu-website] Run social media campaigning for QA during beta milestones: TODO
[17:02] <elfy> when it comes up
[17:03] <elfy> pleia2: post looks good to me
[17:03] <pleia2> elfy: hah, this ping now should be sufficient! I'll put it on my calendar
[17:03] <elfy> lol ok :)
[17:46] <ochosi> thanks sergio-br2, merged places
[17:46] <ochosi> will review the other branches in a bit and then merge them, supposedly
[17:46] <ochosi> after that i'll do a release
[17:46] <sergio-br2> ok
[17:48] <ochosi> reviewed + merged
[18:16] <ochosi> sergio-br2: project for next release: 96px mimes :)
[18:16] <sergio-br2> yeah
[18:16] <sergio-br2> and there are lot of...
[18:16] <sergio-br2> rsrs
[18:16] <ochosi> yup, i know, i've done pretty much all of the 64px ones myself
[18:19] <ochosi> and for after that, i guess 128px mimes...
[18:19] <ochosi> thing is, those are at least used/visible in xfce
[18:19] <ochosi> most other 128px icons never show here
[18:22] <sergio-br2> ochosi, i did the pull request
[21:09] <sanchopanza> testing, testing.
[21:11] <Noskcaj> sanchopanza, yeah, we see you
[21:11] <sanchopanza> cool. anyone available to guide a newbie through getting started with documentation?
[21:14] <Noskcaj> knome, jjfrv8 ^
[21:14] <Noskcaj> I'm not sure if they're around right now
[21:14] <Noskcaj> Maybe send an email to the xubuntu-devel mailing list
[21:15] <ochosi> slickymaster: ^
[21:15] <ochosi> sanchopanza: depending on how much time you have, you could stick around for a bit
[21:15] <sanchopanza> doesn't look like they're around. i'll try again later. jjfrv8 suggested getting on here for some guidance.
[21:16] <ochosi> maybe some of them show up
[21:16] <ochosi> what kind of docs would you like to work on?
[22:11] <ochosi> jjfrv8, slickymaster: weeeee, good news, xfce has versioned docs now!
[22:11] <knome> ochosi, cool, the patch worked as is?
[22:12] <ochosi> knome: not sure: http://git.xfce.org/www/wiki.xfce.org/commit/?id=4d2f0a6d6ef6ec80149d22eb022384181ca601ea
[22:12] <ochosi> can't remember now what yours looked like
[22:13] <knome> looks similar, but i can't remember what my patch looked like either ;)
[22:13] <ochosi> hehe
[22:13] <ochosi> yeah, no surprise it'll look at least similar ;)
[22:14] <knome> yeah, it's the same code
[22:15] <ochosi> ok cool
[22:15] <knome> yep
[22:15] <knome> nice to be of help ;)
[22:16] <ochosi> well now we can clean up the docs on bluesabre's wiki and then i can push them upstream \o/
[22:18] <ochosi> knome: actually nick did a bit more than just merge your patch, he also added another helper function in libxfce4ui so apps can send their version for the docs
[22:18] <knome> :)
[22:18] <knome> well that's nice
[22:18] <ochosi> (right now it sends the desktop-version)
[22:18] <ochosi> yup
[22:18] <ochosi> very cool improvement
[22:19] <ochosi> so we can in fact do parole-docs per version now
[22:25] <ochosi> hmm, meh, seems like xfdesktop4.11 still sends "4.10" as xfce version
[22:26] <ochosi> so i guess we'd need the new feature of libxfce4ui for that to work then
[22:31] <knome> heh


[00:49] <Bandit> trying to get hdmi passthrough to work on my system.  on ubuntu i can get stereo output and multichannel output.  but i want to passthrough to my receiver to do the decoding
[00:49] <steemed> Hello
[00:49] <benonsoftware> Hi steemed
[00:50] <steemed> :) I used to be an ubuntu member...
[00:50] <steemed> I'm having a problem with bash executing a script
[00:50] <steemed> ie adb
[00:50] <steemed> in 12.04
[00:51] <steemed> So I include adb in the path and it say ~/androidstuff/platform-tools/adb not found
[00:51] <steemed> when it is there and ls shows it is there
[00:51] <steemed> and it is executable
[00:51] <steemed> sh is the same story
[00:52] <Unit193> Expand that to full path.
[00:53] <steemed> Doesn't work
[00:53] <steemed> Even doing the full path in bash
[00:54] <steemed> I'll pastebin
[00:54] <Unit193> That sure is weird.
[00:55] <steemed> http://pastebin.com/VikrFyEG
[00:55] <steemed> Unit193: ^
[00:55] <steemed> And yes I did chmod +x
[00:56] <Unit193> `bash adb` may do it, but what's the contents? Also try `file adb`
[00:56] <steemed> mind if I paste two lines from file here?
[00:57] <Unit193> Sure.
[00:57] <steemed> andrew@unicorn:~/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools$ file adb
[00:57] <steemed> adb: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped
[00:58] <Unit193> Alright.
[00:58] <steemed> andrew@unicorn:~/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools$ bash ./adb
[00:58] <steemed> ./adb: ./adb: cannot execute binary file
[00:58] <Unit193> Yeah, I misunderstood that it wasn't a bash file.
[00:59] <steemed> k
[00:59] <steemed> Do I need 32 bit libraries? This is 64 bit
[00:59] <Unit193> I'd think there'd be errors or something, but that's not the type of error I'd expect.
[01:00] <steemed> hm
[01:00] <Unit193> I've not had anything like this, so I can't be of much help.
[01:00] <steemed> Alright thanks anyways
[01:10] <deper29> hey, I'm having an issue. I'm dual booting backtrack 5 and ubuntu 10.04 64bit. My splash screen for ubuntu when I log in is surrounded by green. http://imgur.com/7PIH1
[04:12] <boliviano3> Hey everyone. I'm trying to install 12.04 on my HP desktop but I don't get the option to "install alongside windows 7." The only options I get are to "erase and install" and/or "something else." Can anyone help me out w/ how I'd go about installing it alongside Windows 7?
[04:12] <holstein> boliviano3: are you choosing the drive that has windows 7 on in?
[04:14] <boliviano3> i haven't gotten that far yet. I installed 12.04 on another computer but it gave me the option to install alongside windows. Since this time it didn't give me that option I don't know how to proceed
[04:15] <holstein> boliviano3: you need to be choosing a hard drive with windows 7 on it
[04:16] <holstein> boliviano3: i you have a USB stick, or other hard drives in the machine, you could have that selected ay accident
[04:16] <holstein> you wont see an "install along side" option, if you choose a device which has nothing to install anything alongside
[04:18] <boliviano3> where would I have picked the wrong device? once i the live cd starts it asks if i want to try ubuntu or install. i pick install but then the install alongside never comes up
[04:19] <holstein> boliviano3: not sure... maybe you can take pictures... could be hanging somewhere... could be what im suggesting where you are not choosing the proper drive somehow
[04:23] <boliviano3> i know that on the other install after I picked to install alongside windows the I got to choose the size of the partition but this time I just get "erase & install" or "something else"
[04:23] <holstein> boliviano3: right.. im proposing you are *not* choosing the hard drive with windows on it
[04:24] <boliviano3> what i'm saying is i'm *never* getting the option to choose where I want to install
[04:25] <holstein> boliviano3: well, you already got it once, so saying "never" isnt fair or true
[04:25] <holstein> to take my adivce into consideration, you just need to confirm that the drive has windows on it, and that you are choosing it
[04:27] <holstein> im proposing that you are choosing a different drive in error
[04:27] <holstein> a drive that doesnt have windows on it
[04:28] <boliviano3> but how would I be choosing the wrong drive when I'm not given the option to choose one?
[04:29] <holstein> boliviano3: not sure.. i have seen dropdown menuse.. again, you should try and take a photo, or maybe try the alternate installer
[04:29] <holstein> dropdown menus*
[04:29] <boliviano3> what's the alternate installer?
[04:29] <boliviano3> dropdown menus where?
[04:30] <holstein> boliviano3: you'll see the alternate iso's listed here http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/
[04:30] <holstein> boliviano3: i have seen them in the installer.. the GUI one, but i have no idea what you are seeing
[04:30] <holstein> boliviano3: try the alternate, and see if that gets you what you are looking for
[04:30] <holstein> its a more text based installer with more options
[04:35] <boliviano3> ok so after the live cd boots up I get this
[04:35] <boliviano3> http://www.ubuntu.com/sites/www.ubuntu.com/files/active/try-intsall.jpg
[04:36] <boliviano3> I choose install and I get this
[04:36] <boliviano3> http://www.webscopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Installation-Procedure-No-OS-Detected_thumb.png
[04:36] <boliviano3> when I should get this
[04:36] <boliviano3> http://www.ubuntu.com/sites/www.ubuntu.com/files/active/installation-type.jpg
[04:37] <boliviano3> never is an option given to choose a hard drive before then
[04:41] <holstein> boliviano3: you can try the alternate iso
[04:42] <holstein> you can use a live CD with gparted to shrink the ntfs partition
[04:42] <holstein> then, you can use the "something else" option and install to the empty space you created
[04:43] <holstein> boliviano3: i wouldnt just expect the installer to magically do what you need it to do... shrink windows and install ubuntu beside it
[04:43] <holstein> if its not working, try doing it manually with the same tools the installer would use
[04:44] <JoseeAntonioR> boliviano3: Tengo una sugerencia
[04:45] <JoseeAntonioR> boliviano3: Has intentado correr Windows, dejarlo corriendo unos 5 minutos, y luevo volver a arrancar del CD?
[04:45] <JoseeAntonioR> Posiblemente haya algun registro, aunque no estoy seguro de eso
[05:02] <holstein> boliviano3: i just tried on a dell.. didnt see the "alongside" option
[05:02] <holstein> i just saw what you had
[05:03] <holstein> i would just choose to shrink the partition... i would either try that in the "something else" option, or with gparted from a live CD
[05:03] <holstein> i would have my data backed up before doing either...
[05:03] <holstein> enjoy!
[05:28] <rainstake> Okay, so I have an update problem and I'm supposed to report, but don't know how.
[05:28] <IAmNotThatGuy> rainstake, hello. What is the error you are getting?
[05:30] <rainstake> I"m running update now so I can post it.  What's that website to post error messages, again?  Oh, and I have to step away only for a bit to help feed our baby.
[05:30] <bioterror> !paste | rainstake
[05:30] <ubot2> rainstake: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[05:31] <rainstake> Well, that update and upgrade worked this time, but I still have that silly red dot with the minus sign in it on my tab.
[05:32] <bioterror> you say you have problem
[05:32] <bioterror> you want to report but you dont know how
[05:32] <IAmNotThatGuy> Can you take a screenshot and put it in imagebin.com, share the links?
[05:32] <bioterror> and when we ask about you say "oh but I have this update going but I cant report it now"
[05:33] <IAmNotThatGuy> rainstake, screenshot in imagebin.com will make us understand and can help you better
[05:34] <rainstake> IAmNotThatGuy: I think I have a broken package, I just received that error from package manager.  Excuse my confusion, I usually don't have multiple issues with ubuntu.
[05:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> Okay
[05:35] <rainstake> I'm running update manager again so as to see what error message appears.
[05:36] <bioterror> why not just open terminal and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[05:36] <bioterror> would be faster than taking screenshots
[05:37] <rainstake> bioterror: I ran update and upgrade and am having issues, once the slowness is resolved, I'll show the screen shot of the error page.
[05:44] <rainstake> IAmNotThatGuy: here;s the link to the screenshot: http://imagebin.org/210088
[06:01] <rainstake> I'm back.  Here's a message error I am receiving: http://imagebin.org/210088
[06:03] <IAmNotThatGuy> Awww! kernel install issue :(
[06:03] <rainstake> Sounds horrible, then, eh?
[06:03] <JoseeAntonioR> IAmNotThatGuy: I had to do a backup and then restore is after a fresh install
[06:04] <IAmNotThatGuy> Try running 1) aptitude clean 2)aptitude update 3)aptitude safe-upgrade
[06:04] <IAmNotThatGuy> Use sudo if there are some lock errors
[06:05] <rainstake> Okay, will do.  I'll report the results, soon.
[06:06] <bioterror> always sudo with aptitude
[06:06] <IAmNotThatGuy> Okay. If that also fails, you have to manually extract the package and install
[06:06] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror, okies
[06:07]  * IAmNotThatGuy is updating his Lucid ;]
[06:33] <r4y> For me sometimes the search bar for the Ubuntu Software Center is there and sometimes it's not.
[06:33] <IAmNotThatGuy> r4y, is is after the upgrading to 12.04?
[06:34] <r4y> I installed from CD
[06:35] <r4y> I had no idea they kept all the logs for irc for Ubuntu related channels. Sounds like a gold mine
[06:36] <r4y> I am still lost a little when it comes to Unity
[06:37] <r4y> I should go read tutorials and watch videos on it
[06:37] <bioterror> that's why I like plain gnome shell better
[06:37] <r4y> Me as well
[06:38] <r4y> I like the options for appearance better
[06:38] <r4y> The icons on the left take up a lot of space and liked the space saving drop down menu
[06:39] <r4y> I liked the applets. Like force quit, lock screen, and system monitor
[06:40] <r4y> I liked alacarte for customizing the main menu
[06:40] <IAmNotThatGuy> cool
[06:40] <r4y> I haven't tried doing sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[06:41] <r4y> Once that is installed will I be able to switch back and force between Unity and Gnome?
[06:41] <r4y> I heard it can be done from the login screen
[06:43] <r4y> Will the customizations for Unity and Gnome remain separate for certain things other then  say preferences for having delete set for right click and so on?
[06:44] <r4y> I need to go do a couple of things. But I am not leaving
[06:45] <r4y> That is what life is about.
[09:00] <surajit> I need help to solve my login problem in ubuntu 11.04... anyone there?
[09:06] <surajit> after booting to the system, when I enter my username and password into the graphical login screen, it goes blank and returned me the same screen again. But I can login in tty1 with the same username and password. After searching a lot, I found that people are talking about .xsession-errors file, in which, in my case I found this error:   /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... .: 20: Can't open /usr/share/im-config/
[09:07] <surajit> what should I do?
[09:26] <AJH101> hi so far so good with pp but i am being told not all files downloaded correctly (when i try updating). do i reinstall over the top?
[09:28] <Unit193> Depending on the errors, you should be able to either  `sudo apt-get update`, `sudo apt-get install -f`, or `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`
[09:28] <AJH101> ok will try all 3! :-) thx
[09:31] <AJH101> tried the 1st and: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:31] <AJH101> sorry ignore that!
[09:32] <AJH101> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/jsevi83/unity/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[09:35] <Unit193> Well, you have an old ppa left over, either comment it out, or use !ppa-purge to remove it.
[09:36] <Unit193> "It'll be located at /etc/apt/sources.list.d"
[09:36] <Unit193> !ppa-purge
[09:36] <ubot2> To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory> » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html
[09:37] <AJH101> ok will try thx
[12:04] <Culiforge> Hello, I have a game that is non-gui but linux native. when it launches the screen is off-set to the side. Is there a way to adjust that without messing with my monitor 'hard button' controls or so that it automatically centers and doesn't mess with other display settings?
[12:27] <Sidewinder> Culiforge, Somewhere in 'the game's' preferences, perhaps?
[12:29] <Sidewinder> Either that or perhaps you need to launch from terminal with screen parameters; but I'm not sure how to do that, sorry. :-(
[12:51] <Culiforge> Sidewinder: looked through prefs, no dice... I'll google about screen params tho... thanks
[12:55] <Sidewinder> Culiforge, You're more than welcome; I just wish I could have been more definitive. I know that I have my terminal command (for when I open a terminal) that has the parameter "--geometry=150x60" because I want it a certain size. I don't know how that'll help with the centering but it might be a start..
[13:15] <Culiforge> Sidewinder: as another.. when I launch game via the script in terminal, the game takes over the display (as I believe it should) so it doesn't seem to make sense that an adjustment to the terminal window would solve my issue. Back when I was a M$ user, there was, in file properties, open/run with paramaters as well as previous windows version emulation (sort of) that would allow you to set window metrics and such. Dunno if there
[13:16] <zigzag> Hi guys I have a bit of experience with linux but not much with unity. does unity have a system tray and can I get gpodder to appear in it (setting the option in gpodder doesnt appear to have any effect)
[13:17] <Culiforge> zigzag: you may have to run session under gnome-fallback or some such to get system tray from what I know of it..
[13:18] <Culiforge> zigzag: but that will involve disabling unity all together
[13:18] <Sidewinder> Culiforge, No, I was not suggesting that term. win adjustment would do anything; it was just an example to hopefully get you on the right track. I apologize if I was unclear. Guess that's why my wife keeps telling me that my advice is worth exactly what I charge for it.. :-)
[13:18] <zigzag> Oh so other than those 2 littler arrows you cant tell if gpodder is running
[13:19] <Culiforge> Sidewinder: no, not at all, mostly me talking out loud.. I understood what you meant
[13:20] <Sidewinder> Kewl, and good luck..
[13:20] <Culiforge> zigzag: don't know what gpodder is, just know from when I ditched unity for some semblance of the old interface
[13:21] <Culiforge> for me, unity was like putting a square wheel on my car :)
[13:23] <zigzag> Culiforge: Not giving up yet, but maybe soon. do you run gnome 3 or cinnamon
[13:23] <Culiforge> gnome3
[13:24] <zigzag> what do I need to do install on 12.04
[13:24] <zigzag> sudo apt-get install ...? ppa ? and does it break something
[13:24] <Culiforge> didn't see the point of running a netbook-like interface when I have desktop screen real estate
[13:25] <Culiforge> ubuntu forums are full of walkthroughs on how to get rid of unity and revert back to a gnome like experience
[13:25] <Culiforge> forums/help pages
[13:26] <Culiforge> just did it the once myself so I don't remember the step by steps of it
[13:26] <zigzag> I trying to get my family to move to linux and I think gnome 3 is not entirely there. I found the mint was still a little buggy; at least from where I was sitting
[13:27] <zigzag> Culiforge: if I install gnome 3, can I switch between it and unity from the logon screen
[13:28] <Culiforge> hehe, just do what I did... wipe their computers and install ubuntu.... mwuhahaha!
[13:28] <zigzag> Culiforge,: No my wife still loves me and I would like it to remain so
[13:29] <Culiforge> yeah, there's the login option for that.. there's unity 3d, unity 2d, gnome-fallback, and I think gnome-somethingorother... (nothing like being specific eh?)
[13:32] <duanedes1gn> their used ti be a version of Ubuntu that looked liked XP
[13:32] <duanedes1gn> oop, they already left
[13:47] <zigzag> just when I thought I was getting somewhere, I have no sound
[13:48] <zigzag> sorry works now
[14:57] <fahmyboy> Hi All, anyone available to answer a newbie question on getting wireless working
[14:57] <fahmyboy> i have been struggling with this issue for a week
[15:26] <beachbuddah> hey ubuntu beginners - if anybody's home, I'm wondering how to create a start button for a program that requires a cli command to get it going
[15:26] <geirha> That's called a launcher
[15:27] <beachbuddah> cool - are they hard to make?
[15:27] <geirha> What's the nature of this program? does it have a gui?
[15:27] <geirha> or does it run in a terminal?
[15:27] <beachbuddah> yes - it's Truecrypt
[15:27] <beachbuddah> it has a gui
[15:27] <geirha> Doesn't it already have a launcher then?
[15:28] <beachbuddah> I was only able to find a .deb pkg for 6.0 and it only starts in the terminal, but then it's launced and up comes the gui
[15:28] <beachbuddah> *launched
[15:29] <duanedes1gn> if you are using  unity when you launch it right-click and select pint to launcher
[15:29] <beachbuddah> right click where - just in the program itself?
[15:29] <duanedes1gn> the icon in the launcher on the right
[15:30] <geirha> *left
[15:30] <duanedes1gn> beachbuddah: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[15:30] <beachbuddah> ok gotcha, I'll give that a try
[15:30] <duanedes1gn> geirha: ha, you are correct
[15:30] <beachbuddah> 12.04
[15:30] <duanedes1gn> ok then that should work
[15:30] <beachbuddah> fair enough - thak you for the assist
[15:30] <duanedes1gn> hi geirha , good to read you
[15:31] <geirha> hey :)
[15:31] <beachbuddah> it didn't work, there was no option to pin it to the bar
[15:32] <geirha> beachbuddah: If you run   dpkg -L truecrypt
[15:32] <geirha> does it list any files in /usr/share/applications?
[15:33] <beachbuddah> no
[15:34] <geirha> Ok, well, to make your own launcher, there's two main ways.
[15:34] <beachbuddah> k
[15:34] <geirha> One is to install alacarte and create it in there
[15:34] <geirha> the other is to create it manually with a regular text editor
[15:34] <beachbuddah> alacarte  - ok
[15:35] <beachbuddah> hmm - I'm about technical enought o isntall alacarte
[15:35] <beachbuddah> I'll give it a go, thanks
[15:36] <duanedes1gn> beachbuddah: might be cALLED 'lock to launcher'
[15:37] <geirha> For the latter approach, or if you're just curious, open one of the .desktop-files in /usr/share/applications/ in a regular text editor (such as gedit).
[15:37] <geirha> The format is fairly simple.
[15:37] <beachbuddah> duanedesi1gn - oh - no there was only the name of the program and the option to quit
[15:39] <beachbuddah> ok - just copy and paste and change the command to truecrypt?
[15:41] <geirha> Yes, and save to ~/.local/share/applications/truecrypt.desktop
[15:42] <geirha> (that's where alacarte will save it too)
[15:43] <beachbuddah> ummm - where do I find ~/
[15:44] <beachbuddah> <----noob to filesystem here
[15:44] <geirha> ~ is your homedir
[15:44] <StepNjump> Hi guys, when I try to start guake at the CLI and do a & after like so: guake & it works fine BUT when I close the terminal window, the process ends. Why
[15:44] <beachbuddah> ahh
[15:45] <geirha> StepNjump: Because the terminal sends SIGHUP to the shell, and the shell in turn sends SIGHUP to the child processes.
[15:45] <StepNjump> ah geirha
[15:45] <geirha> StepNjump: If you instead exit the shell, the shell will disown its children before exiting, and the terminal will exit when it's process exits.
[15:46] <geirha> e.g. by running exit or hitting Ctrl+d
[15:46] <StepNjump> Is there a way for it to not sigh
[15:46] <StepNjump> so it runs as a TSR?
[15:46] <geirha> You can also tell bash to disown the child process by using the disown command
[15:46] <geirha> guake & disown
[15:46] <geirha> TSR?
[15:47] <StepNjump> TSR like in Terminal stay resident
[15:47] <StepNjump> oh ok, well thank you very much geirha I appreciate it. I will try it now
[15:48] <geirha> I don't know what terminal stay resident means
[15:48] <StepNjump> Oh yes, it works fine! thanks a lot
[15:48] <StepNjump> oh it's a windows term sorry
[15:48] <StepNjump> It's the first time I ever disowned a child
[15:48] <geirha> Yet another option is to not run it in a terminal in the first place
[15:49] <StepNjump> Kind of feel bad about it lol
[15:49] <geirha> just Alt+F2 -> guake  (no ampersand)
[15:49] <StepNjump> oh really ok!
[15:49] <StepNjump> Wow you know your stuff!
[15:49] <beachbuddah> odd - the launcher exists and is now pinned to the taskbar, but the icon is the a question mark as opposed to the 'T' that was there when
[15:50] <beachbuddah> I ran it through the terminal
[15:50] <geirha> beachbuddah: find the icon name, and set it as icon for the launcher
[15:50] <beachbuddah> lemme try that
[15:51] <geirha> dpkg -L truecrypt | grep pixmaps
[15:51] <beachbuddah> ahh tnks
[15:51] <geirha> if it says e.g. /usr/share/pixmaps/truecrypt.png, then just use  Icon=truecrypt  in the .desktop-file
[15:53] <geirha> It used to be easy to create launchers, but they removed that feature in 10.10 or so... for whatever reason.
[15:55] <beachbuddah> the command returns nothing - no response - back to the prompt.  Checking the file, there is no file - under any name - that resembles the truecrypt icon
[15:55] <geirha> Hm. So it doesn't install any icons probably
[15:56] <geirha> At least, not in the standard location
[15:56] <geirha> dpkg -L truecrypt | grep '\.png$'
[15:56] <beachbuddah> fair enough - for an encryption program, maybe a grey question mark is appropriate, lol
[15:56] <geirha> haha
[15:57] <geirha> You can have a look in /usr/share/pixmaps, it should contain lots of icons. You might find a nice one :)
[15:57] <beachbuddah> lol
[15:59] <beachbuddah> dpkg-query: error: --listfiles needs at least one package name argument
[16:01] <geirha> yes, the syntax is  dpkg -L packagename   or   dpkg --listfiles packagename
[16:01] <StepNjump> maybe geirha you can help me.. For the last few days, I start getting more and more spam in my kopete. People are trying to add me. Do you think one of my account such as msn might be compromized?
[16:01] <beachbuddah> oh ok - sorry
[16:01] <geirha> StepNjump: No idea, sorry. I don't use such protocols.
[16:03] <StepNjump> is it safe geirha ?
[16:04] <geirha> Probably
[16:04] <StepNjump> Gosh Ubuntu works well.. I hope Windows 8 won't take over! darn bastards
[16:06] <StepNjump> I read they are trying to prevent us to install linux on the new hardware
[16:06] <StepNjump> do you think this will work?
[16:08] <geirha> They'll probably try, but it will either be stopped by a court, or the open source community will simply find a way to circumvent it
[16:09] <StepNjump> I hope so...    I give - I will live with the grey question mark
[16:15] <beachbuddah> thank you for your help.
[16:15] <geirha> beachbuddah: dpkg -L truecrypt | grep -e '\.png$' -e '\.xpm$'
[16:16] <geirha> that should list any images that might be icons, installed by the truecrypt package.
[17:22] <Guest61222> hi all
[17:23] <Guest61222> i need help am i at the right place for getting help installing ubuntu ?
[17:24] <bioterror> probably
[17:24] <bioterror> !ask | Guest61222
[17:24] <ubot2> Guest61222: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[17:30] <Guest61222> MB intel D875PBZ memory 1GB processor intel pentium 4 cpu 2.4 graphics vesa:nv44 board - p382h1  i get black screen after installing ubuntu 11.10
[17:44] <bioterror> no one answered
[17:44] <bioterror> okay
[17:44] <bioterror> Guest61222, the graphics works without a problem during installation?
[17:44] <bioterror> Guest61222, and you used live installation?
[17:45] <Guest61222> i used usb and cd
[17:45] <Guest61222> and dvd for 12.04 LTS
[17:47] <Guest61222> graphics not working as normal i had to keep pressing arrow to get pink color and language option
[18:07] <JoseeAntonioR> Guys, I'm having a problem with flash player, it runs extremely slowly, any way to kill it and bring it back to life?
[18:08] <Guest61222> usually flash become slow when there is new version released but thats on windows no idea on linux to be honest
[18:12] <harsh> Hi,I have just installed version12.04,was using 11.10 earlier.I was able to increase/decrease brightness by using shift  and +/- keys,how do I adjust brightness in version Ubuntu 12.04?
[18:13] <JoseeAntonioR> !patience | Guest61222
[18:13] <ubot2> Guest61222: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/
[18:15] <harsh> Hi,I have just installed version12.04,was using 11.10 earlier.I was able to increase/decrease brightness by using shift  and +/- keys,how do I adjust brightness in version Ubuntu 12.04?
[18:15] <JoseeAntonioR> !patience | harsh
[18:15] <ubot2> harsh: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/
[18:19] <WilsonBradley> for some reason Unity is not working for almost a week. I can't see Icons on left nor top menu icons, I can click in the same menu area and it shows Wifi ,./ clock/account drop down menus.. I reinstalled Unity and Compiz also reset.
[18:25] <holstein> WilsonBradley: i would make a new user and try there.. that'll tell you if its something in the config files
[18:25] <WilsonBradley> ok, i'll try that real quick.
[18:51] <WilsonBradley> holstein: I tried a new user
[18:51] <WilsonBradley> it seems to work
[18:51] <holstein> cool.. so you can stop reinstalling things... and thinking about a bug report
[18:52] <WilsonBradley> ok, how to go about
[18:52] <WilsonBradley> I get errors at log on
[18:52] <holstein> errors? or messages?
[18:53] <holstein> i get "output".. most of it can be safely ignored assuming all is good
[18:53] <WilsonBradley> pop up saying it crashed, do I want report
[18:53] <WilsonBradley> I have selected report
[18:54] <holstein> what crashed?
[21:13] <anon> hello world
[21:13] <anon> im having a problem with my printer
[21:14] <nlsthzn> hi anon ... ask away
[21:14] <anon> trying to hplip to work but when i run hp-setup it cant find my printer
[21:14] <anon> so ive been wandering around online and read that i should do hp-check -t
[21:14] <anon> which i did and it is told me to run some commands to install some packages
[21:15] <anon> so i did that
[21:15] <anon> and when i try to run the packages it tells me there is an error with ecryptfs-utils
[21:15] <anon> which i gather is the disk encryption tool
[21:15] <anon> im running 10.04
[21:16] <anon> what is the general opinion?
[21:17] <anon> ive been thinking i should just get the new ubuntu but i dunno if that will make any real difference
[21:18] <anon> nlsthzn: do you know whats up?
[21:19] <nlsthzn> anon: in my experience HP printers normally work right of the bat without any intervention needed...
[21:19] <nlsthzn> but it has been a while since I used 10.04
[21:20] <nlsthzn> what make and model is the printer?
[21:20] <anon> yeah i think maybe ill just upgrade and while im at it disable the encryption then hope for the best
[21:21] <nlsthzn> not ideal if you don't know if it will fix the issue...
[21:21] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrintersHp
[21:21] <anon> yes i know
[21:21] <anon> ok i will check this
[21:21] <nlsthzn> thanks for the link Unit193
[21:22] <Unit193> Not sure how complete it is, but that and hplip should help
[21:22] <anon> im positive it is somekind of conflict between the hplip packages and ecryptfs
[21:22] <anon> i don't know if it is a bug or i have this setup in a strange way or what
[21:25] <anon> I had 11.04 a while back on a different laptop and it was printing ok
[21:25] <anon> i know that hplip supports this printer
[22:12] <escott> anon, very unlikely that hplip would affect ecryptfs
[22:28] <E3D3> After updating from 10.04 to 12.04 Beta my pc froze/locked. Also after updating to the latest version 2 days ago. Where/how do I start trying to solve this ?
[22:29] <Fyodorovna> E3D3, so are you backed up on the 10.04 before the upgrade?
[22:30] <Fyodorovna> preferably a clone really
[22:31] <E3D3> No, only personal data & most important configs
[22:31] <Fyodorovna> E3D3, so where are you at now does it boot, a little more of this info helps.
[22:34] <Fyodorovna> it is easier if we know what freeze and locked means at this point
[22:34] <E3D3> I'm now running Crunchbang. Ubuntu boots very slow but okay. After some time using it freezes. I waited for the finished 12.04 release and hoped an update would repair the problem.
[22:35] <Fyodorovna> E3D3, have you from a recovery cli run a update & upgrade? Or used the fix packages o[ption in the recovery gui?
[22:35] <E3D3> The only thing that seems to respond is the mouse, the cursor moves but I can't click and nothing responds.
[22:37] <E3D3> I know nothing about a recovery cli. I can't open shell or other stuff so I wait and finally reboot with the power-button.
[22:39] <Fyodorovna> E3D3, in the grub menu the second kernel stanza is a recovery boot this takes you to a gui with choices.
[22:39] <E3D3> Haha, after all those years ignoring those lines did I forgot it. Sorry.
[22:41] <E3D3> I never used it, only remove it sometimes from Grub-menu's. I'll read about it and/or try that. Sorry again.
[22:43] <E3D3> Bye and thanks.
[22:45] <Fyodorovna> E3D3, no problem hard to say whether this will fix it but where I would probably start if me. This lts upgrade from what I have read is intended for the 12.04.1 in I think 30 days afer release.
[22:46] <Fyodorovna> I did upgrade a 11.10 with only one apparent problem, runs a little strange at times though.
[22:47] <beachbuddah> Hi folks, I'm having trouble when I close the lid on my laptop and reopen it, it can't reconnect to my wireless connection
[23:27] <E3D3> How do you get to the menu with only keys in U12.04?
[23:40] <E3D3> Okay, super (im)press(ive) shows Super-A = apps, trial & error instead of docs learned that arrow-keys are fastest. If my system don't freeze than I'm done here. Bye & good luck


[01:57] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:43] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: I am about to leave to bed soon
[03:43] <marcoagpinto> I have been coding and working on LanguageTool
[03:43] <marcoagpinto> :)
[03:44] <marcoagpinto> and cola!!!!!
[06:07] <Maik> guiverc: no problem
[06:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:11] <guiverc> :)
[06:16] <ducasse> good morning
[20:31] <TJ-> at last, Starlink receiver is in its way (to the wrong address!!)
[20:32] <sarnold> finally, someone else will be free of the monopolies!
[20:37] <TJ-> not that; just free from being tied to > 2km of copper!
[20:37] <TJ-> irony though that Starlink have the delivery address wrong, corrected it late, and looks like they're sending me two receivers... I just have to persuade DHL to correct the 1st address :D
[20:38] <TJ-> So sat outside now configuring the network in preparation for it
[20:40] <TJ-> hmmm, does this sound correct when doing a simple package upgrade "After this operation, 5,108 kB of additional disk space will be used" ... surely no additional, since it'll be that less the space the current package versions are using
[20:46] <sarnold> apt should be able to compare the installed size of the current package vs the new size of the new package in the lists and compute it that way
[20:47] <sarnold> it might actually reprepsent five megabytes extra space used
[20:53] <TJ-> oh doh! I read it as 5,109 MiB  aka 5GB :)
[20:53] <daftykins> TJ-: have you not bribed someone to hook up the farm to a decent service? :D
[20:53] <TJ-> running it on a space-limited headless device
[20:55] <sarnold> TJ-: ah :) even five megabytes seems a bit larger than I'd expect most updates to do, but it certainly doesn't seem five gigabytes suspicious :)
[20:55] <TJ-> daftykins: I had hoped that when the UK minimum service requirement of at least 10Mbps came in 18 months ago that OpenReach would be forced to install a P2P wireless link... but instead they reduced the VDSL minimum SNR to less than 3db ... so it reports a sync rate > 10Mbps incoming but throughput is worse due to retransmits
[20:56] <TJ-> sarnold: yeah - this is an embedded device on 18.04 that hasn't been online in a year
[20:56] <daftykins> >_<
[20:56] <sarnold> TJ-: oh! so it'll be a hundred little updates instead
[20:56] <TJ-> and on VDSL now latency is all over the place due to the retransmits
[20:56] <daftykins> TJ-: just got the VDSL2 turned on today at a client's new place, MSAN next door - line sync of 115 down, 55 up
[20:56] <TJ-> sarnold: 252 little upgrades
[20:57] <TJ-> daftykins: yeah; my only option was dig a fibre in to the farm... probably cost about £40k
[20:57] <daftykins> you know you want to ;) then you can earn it back by being a WISP to your neighbours!
[20:58] <leftyfb> damn, I couldn't deal
[20:58] <TJ-> at the office with fibre we way £380~ per month for 100/100/7ms ... Starlink will give something like 150/30/16-30ms for £89 per month
[20:59] <TJ-> daftykins: did explore that but not enough neighbours
[20:59] <TJ-> s/way/pay/
[20:59] <daftykins> aww :(
[21:00] <TJ-> and unlike fibre Starlink can be moved
[21:00] <daftykins> and those wild backhoes that roam the lands can't dig through it!
[21:00] <daftykins> think i'd still prefer it though :D
[21:02] <TJ-> I can mount Starlink on a trailer and take it to outdoor shows and so on, once they permit relocation/roaming
[21:02] <TJ-> right now they need to know which 'cell' the receiver is in for scheduling/load planning of the satellites
[21:15] <jeremy31> The orbit of those sats is about 50 miles higher than the ISS
[21:15] <TJ-> 550km
[21:16] <jeremy31> Doppler must be figured into the receivers
[21:16] <TJ-> they used phased arrays for beam forming and steering too
[21:18] <jeremy31> At that altitude one sat would go from horizon to horizon in about 12 minutes
[21:18] <TJ-> there's some great animated real-time trackers
[21:20] <jeremy31> Yes, I used some when I was using amateur radio sats
[21:21] <jeremy31> I think the google play store had one where you could point your android device at the sky and see what sats were there
[21:26] <TJ-> yes, i used that a lot
[21:27] <TJ-> the best Starlink tracker in terms of visuals and info is https://starlink.sx/
[21:27] <TJ-> shows the ground station gateways and distances from the satellites which gives some indication of expected latencies
[21:30] <daftykins> very neat
[21:31] <jeremy31> It will definitely be many times less latency than existing sat service as latency must be at least half to 3/4 of a second
[21:33] <TJ-> for geo-synchronous, yeah. 550km vs 35,700km
[21:34] <TJ-> and once the newer satellites with laser links are operational latencies will drop further
[21:38] <jeremy31> Tin foil hat time
[21:39] <daftykins> xD
[21:40] <jeremy31> The lasers will fry your brains
[21:40] <daftykins> if the 5G doesn't get you first!
[21:40] <jeremy31> I work with people that have nothing to worry about
[21:43] <TJ-> it may improve some!
[21:44] <jeremy31> There might be hope


[00:09] <cepacolmax> hey maxrb
[00:09] <cepacolmax> your preseed works
[00:10] <cepacolmax> which is extra wierd because the only real difference is this line: d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select atomic
[00:10] <patrickmw> bdmurray, why can't I update the tags for bug 655833 ?
[00:10] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 655833 in eclipse (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "Eclipse Foundation Code-signing certificate chain not trusted (affects: 2) (heat: 21)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655833
[00:11] <bdmurray> patrickmw: what do you want to do?
[00:12] <bdmurray> wait let me guess ;-)
[00:12] <patrickmw> bdmurray, I just tested it and its all good.  I need to change it from v-needed to v-done.  But I don't have the option to update the tags
[00:12] <bdmurray> patrickmw: hunh, I just did it.  must be a browser thing
[00:13] <patrickmw> bdmurray, I will restart firefox
[00:13] <bdmurray> patrickmw: you can tack on /+edit to the url to get a non ajax form
[00:13] <bdmurray> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/655833/+edit
[00:13] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 655833 in eclipse (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "Eclipse Foundation Code-signing certificate chain not trusted (affects: 2) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[00:13] <patrickmw> bdmurray, oh thats frickin cool
[00:14] <bdmurray> I've seen weird things happen with launchpad ajax when firefox is using lots of memory
[00:14] <bdmurray> so that's a possibility
[00:16] <patrickmw> bdmurray, thanks for the tip. /+edit is sweet
[01:49] <BUGabundo> nite
[09:29] <jo-erlend> anyone around to test a small bug for me in 11.04? In the audio preferences, you can choose an audio theme. But the choice of theme isn't always remembered from session to session. There is something really strange going on. It's sometimes remembered and other times not.
[09:35] <JoshuaL> Is bug #777335 something which should be pointed to the ubuntu brainstorm?
[09:35] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 777335 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Better naming for Printing menu entry (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/777335
[09:36] <jo-erlend> can someone tell me what package the audio preferences dialog belongs to?
[09:36] <jo-erlend> or even better; how to find out what package a dialog belongs to?
[09:37] <JoshuaL> jo-erlend, gnome-volume-control
[09:38] <jo-erlend> thanks.
[09:38] <jo-erlend> JoshuaL, uh... That package isn't installed here.
[09:39] <JoshuaL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[09:39] <jo-erlend> I mean when you click the audio indicator and select preferences.
[09:39] <JoshuaL> jo-erlend, odd
[09:39] <JoshuaL> When I click it it says Sound Preferences, it then opens gnome-volume-control
[09:40] <jo-erlend> right. It does. dpkg -L gnome-volume-control said it wasn't installed. I assume that means the command doesn't come from that package?
[09:41] <JoshuaL> it says the same for me
[09:42] <JoshuaL> moment
[09:43] <JoshuaL> jo-erlend, gnome-media is the right package
[09:52] <jo-erlend> JoshuaL, thanks. :)
[09:52] <jo-erlend> I filed a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/777661
[09:52] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 777661 in gnome-media (Ubuntu) "gnome-volume-control doesn't /always/ remember sound theme between sessions (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[10:03] <JoshuaL> jo-erlend, the bug reports looks good to me. maybe a good idea to add the version number of the package.
[10:04] <jo-erlend> oh, I thought the bug would be for natty and so the version number should be implicit?
[10:05] <jo-erlend> but I'm going to add a comment to the thread anyway, so I can include the version number then in any case.
[10:06] <JoshuaL> you can edit your summary
[10:08] <jo-erlend> that bug is really strange. I've logged in and out about thirty times, and I'm completely unable to predict the result each time. Very strange.
[10:23] <jo-erlend> it seems that time is of the essence in that bug. The theme setting isn't saved immediately like the rest of the settings in the dialog, so if you log out after making a change, it doesn't work as expected. Strange behaviour, but I guess it should be easy to fix for someone with experience with it.
[10:24] <JoshuaL> jo-erlend, describe all the info you find in the bug to make it easier for the developers to find the issue :)
[10:26] <jo-erlend> yes, I did.
[10:26] <jo-erlend> well, I think I did. If you have the time, please have a look.
[10:29] <JoshuaL> to me it looks good enough, no idea what the experts think of it :)
[10:37] <jo-erlend> now, this second bug is more difficult for me to report. The problem is that after a clean install of 11.04, the login sound for the loginscreen is enabled, but gnome-control-center shows it as disabled. If you enable it, then nothing happens, but if you then disable it again, then it is disabled and everything is fine. The question is; does that bug belong to gnome-control-center or to gdm?
[10:39] <JoshuaL> jo-erlend, might be related to bug #675918
[10:39] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 675918 in gdm (Ubuntu) "Login sound plays when 'Play login sound' is un-checked (affects: 6) (dups: 2) (heat: 50)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675918
[11:10] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/744987
[11:10] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 744987 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "choose local mirror during install (affects: 1) (heat: 96)" [Undecided,New]
[11:10] <ikt> does ubiquity already handle local mirror distribution through mirror.ubuntu.com ?
[11:14] <jo-erlend> JoshuaL, that's the one. Thanks. :)
[11:14] <JoshuaL> np
[12:05] <Laibsch> is it just me or is there no list of subscribers in bug 713922?
[12:06] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 713922 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "left-click menu doesn't always show in multi-head setup (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/713922
[12:24] <yofel_> Laibsch: not only you, and happens for me for all other gtk+2.0 bugs too -> #launchpad
[12:25] <Laibsch> yofel: thanks for confirming
[14:25] <JoshuaL> Hmm, my system froze a few times when using Firefox..
[15:34] <RedSingularity> jibel: think this should be filed against U-M?  Issue with the progress bar window.  Maybe gtk related?  bug 769817
[15:34] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 769817 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Installation progress dialog not visible (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769817
[15:54] <jibel> RedSingularity, Hi, why gtk ? from the bug report, I understand that the 'Applying changes' dialog is not appearing at all.
[15:55] <RedSingularity> jibel: doesnt that progress bar window use gtk?
[15:57] <jibel> RedSingularity, indeed it uses gtk widgets like most of the dialogs in a gnome environment. But the reporter says 'the Updates Progress Dialog is not becoming visible'
[15:57] <jibel> not only the progress bar
[15:58] <seb128> jibel: what issue is that?
[15:59] <RedSingularity> jibel: hmmm but it seems to work when using it as another user.  I asked him to try it as su and it worked fine.  I guess i figured it cant be a problem with the update-manager itself because it works fine under other accounts.
[15:59] <jibel> seb128, the 'applying changes' dialog of update-manager is not appearing when the user installs the updates.
[16:00] <jibel> RedSingularity, Does it see the authentication dialog ?
[16:00] <RedSingularity> well the core files i guess
[16:00] <jibel> s/it/he
[16:00] <pedro_> for the record it works fine here, I'm installing some updates
[16:00] <jibel> pedro_, here as well, that's why I think it is a system specific issue.
[16:00] <pedro_> it might be, yes
[16:00] <jibel> and that's the only user reporting it.
[16:01] <pedro_> RedSingularity, is that a clean installation or an upgrade?
[16:01] <RedSingularity> jibel: yeah.  I have not even tried to reproduce because I believe it to be local as well.
[16:01] <RedSingularity> pedro_: clean install.  Looks like beta2 though.
[16:02] <pedro_> m odd, haven't seen anything like that, what if the reporter creates another user profile and try there?
[16:02] <RedSingularity> jibel: I had the user clear the home config files too.  No improvement.
[16:02] <RedSingularity> pedro_: well it works fine under SU
[16:03] <jibel> RedSingularity, also ask to execute from the command line as a normal user, did he changed sudo right for this user ?
[16:03] <pedro_> eek, crazy things happen when you run those under sudo rather than waiting for the dialog to ask for your password...
[16:03] <pedro_> or just using su..
[16:04] <RedSingularity> pedro_: well gksu....
[16:06] <RedSingularity> jibel: i did have him execute from terminal as normal user.  I was looking for error output.  There was none he said.
[16:07] <RedSingularity> jibel: I am not sure if he is getting the policykit password prompt though.  I will have to ask him.
[16:16]  * jibel can't quit vi, the escape key being stuck :(
[16:18] <roadmr> hmm so escape is vi's kryptonite? is ctrl emacs' kryptonite?
[16:19] <hggdh> sorta. On vi you usually use escape in a philosophical way
[16:22] <roadmr> hm emacs = control freak. vi = escape artist.
[16:33] <jibel> RedSingularity, I can't reproduce even by completely disabling polkit and sudo.
[17:49] <RedSingularity> jibel: I didnt think you would be able too :)  What do you think I should do with the report?
[17:51] <RedSingularity> jibel: obviously its not a bug with the u-m....I wonder if the problem arises when using another piece of software with a progress bar?
[17:55] <bdmurray> bug squad meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:10] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/777930
[18:10] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 777930 in ubuntu "High power consumption and general overheat in ubuntu 11.04. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[18:10] <ikt> looks like dupe of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/760131
[18:10] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 760131 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 3 other projects) "Power consumption raised significantly in natty (affects: 147) (heat: 1020)" [High,Confirmed]
[18:10] <ikt> anyone agree?
[18:10] <hggdh> sounds similar indeed. Beawre of machine differences
[18:17] <dotgokul> Hi.. this is my first time on irc. please bear with me. I raised a bug a couple days ago about the unity launcher... can anyone confirm the bug?
[18:17] <dotgokul> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/775062
[18:17] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 775062 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Unity launcher mouse over left edge - has an unexpected behavior (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[18:49] <vish> hggdh: you might already know this, but just mentioning incase, Bjoern is Canonical employed maintainer for LibO
[18:50] <hggdh> vish: I did not know... and I asked about his status as maintainer, and got no response
[18:51] <vish> hggdh: yea, he'd probably reply, but just mentioning :)
[18:51] <hggdh> thank you
[18:51] <vish> yw..
[19:45] <RedSingularity> Anyone direct me to the meeting logs? :)
[19:49] <yofel> good question...
[19:50] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/05/05/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t18:01
[19:50] <yofel> ah right
[19:50] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: ty :)
[19:50] <Ampelbein> yw ;-)
[20:49] <Otacon22> Hello
[20:50] <Otacon22> I think that i've a bug on ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[20:50] <vish> !bug
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[20:50] <Otacon22> the indicator-applet-session is taking 107MB of ram
[20:51] <vish> Otacon22: try to look at previous bugs in launchpad if not present; file a bug using $ ubuntu-bug indicator-session
[21:39] <Rcart> Hello. I've been working on this bug  763594 and I think that is ready to be triaged. Would some one please mark it as it?
[21:39] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 763594 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Title bar icon does not update on tab switch (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/763594
[22:47] <BUGabundo> evening
[23:26] <patrickmw> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shotwell/+bug/771841
[23:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 771841 in shotwell (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "Update natty to 0.9.3 (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
[23:26] <patrickmw> is there a way to attach multiple upstream bugs to a lp bug?
[23:27] <patrickmw> I added one, but there are 3 more I'd like to attach
[23:33] <bdmurray> patrickmw: no its one bug watch per bug report
[23:34] <patrickmw> bdmurray, dang, ok
[23:48] <jtaylor> patrickmw: posting links in a comment will at least make them show up in the remote bug watches bar under the subscribers (e.g  bug 754577)
[23:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 754577 in geany (Ubuntu) "assertion failed: (r == n_visible_rows) (affects: 1) (heat: 153)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754577
[23:50] <patrickmw> jtaylor, thank you.  I realize now that its not necessary to try and link each separately.


[03:14] <stevieman>  has mythbuntu fixed the IR blaster issue yet?
[09:33] <hot_wheelz> Does anybody know what methods is being used to achieve the Blu-ray playback in the upcoming release what libraries are being used so I can replicate this on my laptop which has a blu-ray drive