[00:00] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Best we see what the " System program problem detected " issue is .
[00:00] <Quenz> Bashing-om Alright, well it gives me "Cancel" or "Report problem..." Maybe there's a log somewhere, but idk where it is
[00:00] <tatertots> Quenz: those are just new "crashes"...no need to "look into"...we know what it was
[00:01] <Quenz> You sure?
[00:01] <Quenz> I'm happy to look into it if you want Bashing-om, but tatertots says they know what it is
[00:02] <tatertots> Quenz: are you curious to compare to http://termbin.com/jggj   i kinda sorta am curious...but honestly i could pass on finding out...but its your call at the end of the day buddy :)
[00:03] <Quenz> tatertots All I really care about is fixing up this installation. If another paste or something would help, I'd be happy to give it
[00:03] <Bashing-om> Quenz: tatertots's call, then he has the lead once more .
[00:03] <Quenz> tatertots But I'm not fussed
[00:03] <Quenz> tatertots I can just reboot now if that's more reasonable
[00:05] <Bashing-om> Quenz: One can remove quiet splash from /etc/default/grub file and watch the boot messages :)
[00:06] <Quenz> Bashing-om How do I do that?
[00:06] <tatertots> Quenz: go ahead and do your rebooting....the "data" will just be even more "fresh" when you return :)
[00:07] <Quenz> Rebooting now
[00:09] <tatertots> Quenz: let me know when you're back
[00:09] <tatertots> Quenz: let me know when done
[00:09] <Quenz> tatertots Bashing-om flashing log on boot again
[00:09] <tatertots> Quenz: good i will reveal
[00:10] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Can you activate a terminal at this time ?
[00:11] <Quenz> Bashing-om Actually yes
[00:11] <Quenz> This wasn't the case last time (unless I was hitting the wrong keys)
[00:11] <Quenz> Wait
[00:12] <Quenz> It might go away
[00:12] <Quenz> It went away for a second. I brought it back. I think it's staying now
[00:12] <Quenz> I logged into the user account via terminal
[00:12] <Quenz> So, what should I do from here?
[00:15] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Presently I want to know that "you" are authorized to access your desktop . what shows ' ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ' ?
[00:16] <Quenz> Bashing-om '-rw------- 1 baz baz 2800 Jan 21 10:49 .ICEauthority'
[00:17] <V7> tomreyn, Just wanted to say thank you one more time out there. Have a good daytime there )
[00:17] <Bashing-om> Quenz: No .Xauthority file ?
[00:18] <Quenz> Bashing-om I Typed the command you gave me, and gave you the output
[00:18] <Quenz> Bashing-om I don't know. Where is the .Xauthority file?
[00:20] <Quenz> Bashing-om I don't see one in ~/
[00:20] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Just do not know what to make of it that there is no .Xauthority file; We can make it up .
[00:20] <Quenz> Bashing-om .ICEauthority, but no .Xauthority
[00:21] <Quenz> Bashing-om Next steps?
[00:21] <Quenz> Bashing-om Reinstall? lol, or..?
[00:22] <Bashing-om> Quenz: The expected result; mine: http://termbin.com/5rlw .
[00:22] <Quenz> Oh sorry I missed a line
[00:22] <Quenz> It was 'ls: cannot access '.Xauthority': No such file or directory' Bashing-om
[00:23] <Quenz> Then '-rw------- 1 baz baz 2800 Jan 21 10:49 .ICEauthority' is the next line for that command you told me to type in
[00:24] <Guest45174> hi
[00:25] <Guest45174> ;-;
[00:26] <Bashing-om> Quenz: That file missing could be an issue, but it is above my skill level to know what generates that file to start with . Have you ever been able to access the desktop in this install ?
[00:28] <tatertots> Quenz: did you get your rebooting completed?
[00:28] <Quenz> Bashing-om Yes, last boot
[00:29] <Quenz> tatertots sorry, yes I've booted
[00:29] <Quenz> tatertots I got a flashing log
[00:29] <Bashing-om> tatertots: Quenz is missing the .Xauthority file .. thoughts ?
[00:29] <tatertots> Bashing-om: ouch
[00:29] <Quenz> tatertots No login screen. ctr+alt+f1 logged in via terminal
[00:29] <Quenz> Guest22715 What's the matter?
[00:30] <tatertots> Quenz: cool...i'm assuming you have network connectivity and all that good jazz...
[00:31] <tatertots> Quenz: you could ping something but ..
[00:31] <Quenz> Well I can't see the indicator from terminal, but I'm assuming it stills works :P
[00:31] <Quenz> Yep, just pinged google, it works fine tatertots
[00:31] <tatertots> Quenz: let's just assume (as much as i loath assuming) you have connectivity
[00:32] <tatertots> Quenz: ls -lh /var/log|pastebinit
[00:33] <Quenz> tatertots https://paste.ubuntu.com/26426796/
[00:34] <tatertots> eww
[00:34] <tatertots> why does that look like that?
[00:35] <tomreyn> V7: thanks man
[00:35] <blackflow> something's seriously broken there.
[00:35] <tatertots> Quenz: could you try that one more time please....make sure the arguments are being used and no typographical errors
[00:36] <Quenz> tatertots oops https://paste.ubuntu.com/26426805/
[00:41] <Bashing-om> Quenz: While we are stewing. pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log - uppercase 'X' .
[00:44] <Quenz> Bashing-om I'm not sure how to do that from raw terminal Bashing-om
[00:45] <Quenz> Bashing-om Hang on
[00:45] <Bashing-om> Quenz: ' /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[00:45] <Quenz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26426863
[00:45] <Bashing-om> Quenz: ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[00:45] <Quenz> Bashing-om ^
[00:45] <Quenz> The command was pastebinit, not pastebin, that's why
[00:45] <Bashing-om> Quenz: I be awhile ., back soonest .
[00:56] <Bashing-om> Quenz: "253.448] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module." yukkie ! and we have " (WW) Unresolved symbol: fbGetGCPrivateKey " is encryption a factor here ?
[00:57] <Zombie> Something didn't build right.
[00:57] <Quenz> Bashing-om I didn't encrypt anything if that's what you're asking
[01:00] <Bashing-om> Zombie: Quenz :: this is the 3ed rime to purge and install a proprietary driver with no joy .
[01:00] <Bashing-om> 3rd time*
[01:00] <Zombie> You are missing a Dependancy.
[01:01] <Bashing-om> Zombie: updated and full upgraded, OP did not report any error . else ?
[01:02] <Zombie> Something is not installed that should be, it uses to build.
[01:02] <Bashing-om> Zombie: Had that thought - headers - but they are installed .
[01:03] <Zombie> There may be other things./
[01:03] <Zombie> look and see what provides that symbol.
[01:03] <Quenz> Just let me know when you need me to type something
[01:06] <tatertots> Quenz: journalctl -p 3|pastebinit
[01:08] <Quenz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26426980
[01:08] <Quenz> tatertots
[01:08] <tatertots> Quenz: ouch
[01:08] <tatertots> why you hurt me :(
[01:08] <tatertots> j/k
[01:08] <Quenz> sorrie
[01:10] <tatertots> Quenz: this is critical so i thought maybe i should tell you "Jan 21 11:10:37 baz-MacBookPro gnome-session-binary[2087]: CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry...."
[01:11] <Quenz> That's funny
[01:11] <Quenz> In any case, I don't really know what it means. Where do we go from here?
[01:12] <tatertots> Quenz: that road leads directly into "opinion" territory, and i can only share what I would do, if i were a human in your "shoes" (i think that is the phrase)
[01:14] <tatertots> Quenz: this implies there exists "other" / "alternative" opinions
[01:17] <Quenz> tatertots Zombie said it was a build issue. Does that mean the installayion might have been broken?
[01:17] <Zombie> It is.
[01:17] <Zombie> Either something isn't installed, or something is too old.
[01:18] <Quenz> Can we find out what that might be?
[01:18] <tatertots> Quenz: i do see some good news ...
[01:19] <tatertots> Quenz: standby ...need to whip up a pstebin
[01:28] <tatertots> Quenz: i need to ask you a few preliminary questions if you don't mind.
[01:28] <Quenz> tatertots That's fine
[01:30] <tatertots> Quenz: using the information here as a reference https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201300 , do you see your serial number "anywhere" in the information shown here https://paste.ubuntu.com/26426023/ ? yes or no
[01:30] <tatertots> just yes or no please :)
[01:32] <Quenz> Sorry, distracted
[01:32] <tatertots> no worries...happens to me all the time
[01:35] <Quenz> tatertots This one https://support.apple.com/kb/SP541?locale=en_US
[01:36] <Quenz> I don't see the serial number, I just know it's a MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2009)
[01:36] <Quenz> Sorry I didn't read your message properly
[01:36] <Quenz> Just a sec
[01:37] <andiery> Hello!
[01:38] <hl521> Hi, I've got a desktop with intel HD for the GPU (using the i915 driver) and she has two monitors, yet only one is turning on. The second monitor appears to be recognized, however states it has `no signal`. We have ensured that it has been updated, and we restarted it so all of the new drivers and daemons can fire up properly. We then checked the connections and swapped cables to see if that was the issue, but did not fix. Is there currently a bug for this?
[01:38] <hl521> Also, this is a System76 meercat
[01:38] <tatertots> Quenz: if you know your serial#, you can skip this step by saying "i know my serial"
[01:40] <tatertots> Quenz: let me see if i can help reveal
[01:41] <Quenz> tatertots W892953S66D
[01:41] <tatertots> Quenz: pick one please :) http://termbin.com/f57f
[01:41] <tatertots> thank you :)
[01:42] <tatertots> standby
[01:45] <tatertots> Quenz: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201518
[01:46] <tatertots> Quenz: disclaimer....no longer supported.......now that that's out of the way (but you already knew that right ;)
[01:46] <tatertots> 2009 and all
[01:47] <tatertots> Quenz: you currently have MBP55.88Z.00AC.B03.0906151708
[01:48] <tatertots> Quenz: so my question for you is......is there a newer EFI / SMC? yes or no
[01:49] <tatertots> I'll wait
[01:50] <Quenz> tatertots I'm not sure what specific piece of info you want
[01:50] <Quenz> SMC version?
[01:55] <tatertots> Quenz: is your apple firmware up to date?
[01:55] <Quenz> tatertots I'm not sure
[01:56] <Quenz> Trying to figure it out
[01:56] <tatertots> Quenz: it's possible it is not
[01:57] <Quenz> tatertots Is "EFI Boot ROM version" the firmware?
[01:58] <Quenz> I think I know what to do
[01:58] <tatertots> Quenz: and if it isn't...that's something you need to put on the "table" so to speak
[01:58] <Quenz> tatertots I have to download this https://support.apple.com/kb/DL853?locale=en_US if it isn't already there
[01:58] <hl521> anyone?
[01:59] <tatertots> Quenz: you do not have this 1.7 firmware
[02:00] <tatertots> Quenz: you are not up to date
[02:00] <tatertots> Quenz: Jan 21 11:07:46 baz-MacBookPro kernel: MODSIGN: Couldn't get UEFI db list
[02:01] <Quenz> I'll try updating
[02:01] <Quenz> Thanks for enlightening me on this
[02:01] <tatertots> Quenz: and I personally think it would be in your best interests to be up to date.
[02:01] <tatertots> Quenz: that's just my "opinion" on this whole Jan 21 11:09:01 baz-MacBookPro gnome-session-binary[1362]: CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry.... matter
[02:01] <tatertots> Quenz: there exists other opinions...
[02:02] <Quenz> tatertots It can't hurt to update
[02:02] <Quenz> tatertots So I'll do that
[02:02] <Quenz> I'll report back when done
[02:04] <tatertots> Quenz: you could file a bug report but it's be shut down and gain no traction as soon as someone like minded as me got to it.
[02:04] <tatertots> :)
[02:05] <Quenz> tatertots I'll try updating this, if that doesn't work, I'll decide what to do then
[02:09] <tatertots> Quenz: good luck my friend :)
[02:09] <Quenz> Thank you
[02:09] <Quenz> tatertots Did you mean file a bug report with the ubuntu gnome tracker, or?
[02:09] <tatertots> no worries
[02:10] <tatertots> it wouldn't matter where you filed it....it'd never budge
[02:19] <Quenz> So there's no reason to file it at all
[02:19] <tatertots> Quenz: you will update to 1.7 firmware, and consult with me if your symptom(s) persist.
[02:21] <Quenz> tatertots Will do
[02:21] <Quenz> Updating now
[02:23] <tatertots> Quenz: if the firmware does not change versions......i will know
[02:24] <Quenz> tatertots Magic?
[02:25] <tatertots> Quenz: no silly...you're going to tell me :)
[02:25] <Quenz> tatertots Ahh
[02:27] <that_lurker1> o/
[02:27] <Quenz> \o
[02:27] <that_lurker1> :O someone actually answered lul
[02:28] <tatertots> Quenz: your macbooks never actually EVER been updated at all.
[02:29] <tatertots> Quenz: like as in "zero" patches/updates
[02:29] <Quenz> tatertots I updated it from Snow Leopard to El Capitan. Haven't done any updates since installing El Capitan
[02:30] <tatertots> Quenz: lol...oh your brain is at the "OS" level in the context of "updates/patches"......i was thinking a little closer to the "tree" where the "apple" fell from
[02:31] <tatertots> i made a pun :) my first time
[02:31] <Quenz> It sounds very poetic, but I don't fully understand
[02:31] <Quenz> I didn't bother with further updates because I thought there was a good chance I would have to do a few fresh installs
[02:31] <Quenz> I was having trouble with partitions last week
[02:32] <Quenz> tatertots I opened the update package and it says "This computer does not need this update"
[02:33] <tatertots> Quenz: you are currently using firmware 1.7 right now? yes or no
[02:34] <tatertots> Quenz: I believe that from "their" perspective.....totally
[02:34] <Quenz> tatertots SMC versions is 1.47f2, MBP55.00AC.B03
[02:35] <Quenz> *version
[02:35] <Quenz> tatertots
[02:35] <tatertots> Quenz: i also have a guess as to why that may be
[02:36] <tatertots> Quenz: did you cross reference the SMC versions with the table i linked earlier?
[02:36] <peterr> hello, anyone can help with display settings?  my display is listing incorrect display size
[02:38] <Quenz> tatertots it doesn't list an SMC version for my Mac in that table
[02:38] <tatertots> peterr: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[02:38] <peterr> yes
[02:38] <peterr> I have a guess what is going on but don't know how to fix
[02:38] <Quenz> tatertots MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2009) | MacBookPro5,5 | MBP55.00AC.B03 (EFI 1.7) | <nothing under SMC version>
[02:39] <peterr> I had a 22" monitor that died and was using a 32" tv which I use as the display now
[02:39] <tatertots> Quenz: yeah i believe that....apple put big red note on some KB's that indicates they dropped firmware /patch on several "levels" years ago
[02:39] <peterr> the tv is listed as 7" display.... how can I reset or reconfigure it properly?
[02:39] <tatertots> peterr: open terminal
[02:40] <peterr> okay, opened
[02:40] <tatertots> peterr: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[02:40] <tatertots> peterr: let me know when done
[02:40] <peterr> btw, my browser and program windows are huge
[02:40] <peterr> done
[02:40] <tatertots> peterr: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[02:40] <peterr> p.s i am using ubuntu 17.10 (recently upgraded
[02:40] <Quenz> tatertots I'm not sure where to go from here
[02:40] <tatertots> peterr: share url/link here...if you do not get a url/link..say so
[02:41] <Quenz> tatertots Dead end?
[02:41] <peterr> hold on, it was not installed - have to install pastebinit
[02:41] <tatertots> Quenz: some of the stuff is N/A under newer OS environments .......just a guess/hypothesis
[02:42] <tatertots> or maybe some executive just said...hey..it's not supported dude..buy the newer model...idk
[02:43] <tatertots> Quenz: i can only tell you what i would do if i were a human in your shoes
[02:43] <peterr> i have the link
[02:43] <Quenz> tatertots And what would you at this point?
[02:43] <peterr> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26427404/
[02:45] <tatertots> Quenz: standby...compiling historical data on the overall health of your computer.
[02:46] <Quenz> Thanks so much for you assistance so far
[02:47] <tatertots> peterr: in terminal>    xrandr|pastebinit
[02:48] <peterr> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26427445/
[02:50] <tatertots> peterr: have you attempted to use any of the other display resolutions available to you, to determine if an alternative resolution is more visually pleasing or visually appealing to your human eye? yes or no
[02:51] <tatertots> Quenz: i have some preliminary questions if thats okay.
[02:52] <Quenz> tatertots Of course, go right ahead
[02:52] <Quenz> tatertots No need to ask to ask
[02:53] <tatertots> Quenz: how many other linux distributions and or versions of ubuntu have you installed on this computer?
[02:54] <tatertots> peterr: are you okay?
[02:54]  * tatertots checks peterr's pulse
[02:54]  * tatertots searches for smelling salts
[02:54] <peterr> tatertots, no, I haven't... I suspect the others won't be visually pleasing - including 1920x1080i
[02:54] <peterr> but, I'm willing to try - did you want me to test another one?
[02:55] <tatertots> peterr: ls -lh /var/log|pastebinit
[02:56] <Quenz> tatertots two installations of the same Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS
[02:56] <Quenz> tatertots on two different partitions
[02:56] <Quenz> tatertots one of them I've barely touched or used
[02:56] <tatertots> Quenz: that's it??..just U 16.04?
[02:56] <Quenz> tatertots but it's a very small partition and has no swap partition
[02:57] <tatertots> Quenz: okay standby...processing
[02:57] <Quenz> tatertots actually I think I installed the normal (non LTS) version before, then Ubuntu MATE
[02:57] <Quenz> tatertots But they're gone now
[02:57] <tatertots> peterr: you okay?
[02:58] <peterr> yes, so far :)
[02:58] <peterr> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26427481/
[02:59] <causative> how can I achieve the effect of unplugging and re-plugging my keyboard, through software?  my keyboard periodically stops working, fixed when I unplug and replug, but it's annoying to reach down and physically dot hat
[02:59] <tatertots> peterr: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:00] <peterr> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26427493/
[03:01] <tatertots> Quenz: since you've accepted the road of "opinions" long ago...i must tell you my opinion on repeating the same thing(s) while expecting different results.
[03:01] <causative> in dmesg I periodically see "USB disconnect" on the keyboard, it would be nice if, whenever it runs into that error, it runs whatever software runs when I unplug and replug
[03:01] <tatertots> Quenz: standby
[03:03] <tatertots> peterr: DPI set to (49, 50); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
[03:03] <peterr> tatertots, do I enter that in CLI?
[03:04] <tatertots> peterr: no.no..no...sorry
[03:04] <peterr> okay?  is that an observation then?  I am not sure I understand
[03:04] <tatertots> peterr: i was just informing you..(i'm not sure why i do that when i know the person may not be able to interpret)
[03:04] <tatertots> peterr: i think it's a bug in my programing
[03:05] <peterr> okay, I think I understand you... the dpi is set to 49/50?
[03:07] <tatertots> peterr: i believe it would be in your best interest to try 1920x1080
[03:08] <peterr> i can try
[03:08] <tatertots> please do
[03:08] <peterr> I think the pixel density @ 49 /50 is pretty low?  meaning bad?
[03:10] <peterr> it's no good... just tried 1080i
[03:11] <peterr> tried 1080 also
[03:11] <peterr> text becames very unclear and icons on left margin are only shown partly (only half)
[03:13] <saegeoff> had to install 17.10.1 today because 17.04 dropped support... not a wide window with all the issues with 17.10!
[03:13] <electricguitar> 17.10 having gnome always lags on my laptop
[03:14] <saegeoff> yeah, there are some issues
[03:14] <electricguitar> i missed unity
[03:14] <saegeoff> but I think it will be ironed out by 18.04... at least I hope
[03:14] <saegeoff> unity wasn't bad but I think it was a wasted effort
[03:15] <saegeoff> we have so many windowing environments on linux and limited resources on all... I wish a few would merge so we could move faster.
[03:15] <saegeoff> but people can choose what they like I guess
[03:15] <tatertots> peterr: would you say things got better or worse?   bigger or smaller?
[03:15] <electricguitar> i prefer some other lightwieght desktop environments
[03:16] <electricguitar> one that doesn't eat too much ram
[03:16] <saegeoff> i like the gnome setup in 17.10... at least it looks almost like unity :)
[03:16] <tatertots> Quenz: do you have the same symptom(s) when using other DE's?
[03:17] <saegeoff> right now I am only using ~3 gigs of ram with 17.10.. I have an IDE open as well
[03:17] <Quenz> tatertots Haven't tried using other desktop environments. Do you suggest I try regular Ubuntu?
[03:17] <tatertots> Quenz: what's regular ubuntu?
[03:18] <tatertots> Quenz: what's regular ubuntu? compared to what i see here https://paste.ubuntu.com/26426023/
[03:18] <electricguitar> i recently observed that ubuntu's 17.10 gnome uses increased ram over time
[03:20] <Quenz> tatertots I mean Ubuntu rather than Ubuntu Gnome
[03:20] <tatertots> Quenz: personally that's too "similar" for my tastes
[03:20] <electricguitar> what ubuntu version are you talking about?
[03:20] <electricguitar> ubuntu 17.10 has gnome as its DE
[03:21] <Quenz> tatertots What do you suggest?
[03:21] <tatertots> Quenz: how fast is your internet? take long to obtain a Linux ISO?
[03:21] <bumblefuzz> hey, I'm having a little trouble installing ubuntu
[03:21] <bumblefuzz> I've made the USB install disk using dd
[03:22] <saegeoff> what is up
[03:22] <bumblefuzz> the machine will boot the GRUB menu
[03:22] <saegeoff> bumble, did it install
[03:22] <bumblefuzz> but when I go past that, all I get is a black screen
[03:22] <saegeoff> then you reboot and it is GRUB?
[03:22] <Quenz> Bout 12 Mbps, maybe a bit faster with wire
[03:22] <bumblefuzz> whether I go straight to install or try it first
[03:22] <tatertots> Quenz: if it takes 5 hours to get a ISO then nevermind...i don't have that kinda time..i have a SMITE match that will begin soon.
[03:22] <bumblefuzz> yeah, grub loads fine
[03:23] <bumblefuzz> just a black screen after that
[03:23] <Quenz> tatertots Not 5 hours
[03:23] <Quenz> tatertots Maybe 1 or less (I think)
[03:23] <saegeoff> bumble do you have a UEFI
[03:23] <saegeoff> mobo
[03:23] <electricguitar> its okay if you leave it open for 5 hours
[03:23] <electricguitar> do house chores while waiting...
[03:24] <electricguitar> hahaha
[03:24] <bumblefuzz> saegeoff: I think
[03:24] <bumblefuzz> how do I check?
[03:25] <saegeoff> when you boot from the USB stick, make sure to check.. When I boot mine and press F12, I get two options to boot from my USB stick. Regular and UEFI
[03:25] <saegeoff> I have noticed GRUB issues if I don't select UEFI
[03:25] <saegeoff> not sure if that is your issue but something similar happened to me
[03:26] <tatertots> peterr: you okay?
[03:30] <bumblefuzz> ok, both options give me a black screen
[03:30] <bumblefuzz> grub comes up fine
[03:31] <bumblefuzz> but nothing that comes after that
[03:31] <saegeoff> bumble, perhaps try to rebuild your usb stick
[03:31] <saegeoff> do a hash on your iso, as well, to see if it is good
[03:32] <electricguitar> should've hashed the iso before imaging it in a usb stick
[03:32] <bumblefuzz> I did that already
[03:32] <electricguitar> oh
[03:32] <bumblefuzz> I've tried ubuntu 16.04 14.04 and ubuntu mate 16.04
[03:32] <bumblefuzz> that was the first thing I did
[03:32] <bumblefuzz> grub comes up fine
[03:33] <peterr> tatertots, it got worse....smaller - not readable...
[03:33] <electricguitar> have you tried to boot it in another computer?
[03:33] <electricguitar> see if it continues?
[03:33] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | bumblefuzz
[03:33] <saegeoff> hopefully you didn't run 17.10 and brick your machine :D
[03:35] <tatertots> peterr: okay i see whats going on with ya
[03:35] <tatertots> peterr: i need you to perform some action(s) for me.
[03:36] <Neo4> what does this mean? "The mydestination parameter specifies what domains this machine will deliver locally, ..."
[03:36] <bumblefuzz> ok how do I do nomodeset?
[03:37] <Sveta> see the forums link for instructions
[03:37] <Neo4> mydestination = gmail.com and what will it mean?
[03:37] <Sveta> context missing
[03:37] <Neo4> all mails from gmail.com will deliver on my local machine?
[03:38] <Neo4> Sveta: ;)
[03:38] <tatertots> peterr: brb...they have come to refuel me
[03:38] <Neo4> Sveta: where there is a burn that is going be a flame...
[03:40] <bumblefuzz> nomodeset doesn't work
[03:40] <bumblefuzz> still a black screen
[04:34] <la_putin> can UPX pack dynamic executables
[04:36] <banisterfiend> hi is anyone here familiar with dbus and busctl for systemd ?
[04:42] <ghostnik11> hey so ubuntu automatically added a proprietary driver for my cpu processor and now my battery life is significantly reduced while in my android partition i still get 9 hours and more
[04:42] <ghostnik11> how can i have it reverted. i just went to additional drivers and selected not to use the propriateray driver
[04:42] <ghostnik11> will it stay like that automatically?
[04:59] <tatertots> ghostnik11: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[04:59] <twistedblizzard> Hi all, I've used a live disk and dd to make a partition of my full disk on my macOS laptop which has 3 partitions (4 including EFI) and I now need to split them into their respective partitions. Is there any quick way to do this? All of the suggestions I have found online use kpartx but I don't want to mount the partitions, just split them.
[04:59] <ghostnik11> tatertots, yeah but i might not be on for much longer b/c the hotel i am at using internet is about to close the spot that i am
[05:00] <tatertots> ghostnik11: maybe the internet is fast...open terminal
[05:00] <tatertots> ghostnik11: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[05:00] <tatertots> ghostnik11: let me know when done
[05:00] <ghostnik11> tatertots, but yeah i was getting like 9 hours and more and all of a sudden it downloaded an additional driver and now its like damn, i get 4 hours but when i open up in my android x86 partition i get 9 hours and more
[05:00] <tatertots> ghostnik11: let me know when done
[05:01] <ghostnik11> tatertots, i am downloaded the mate desktop real quick so once that is done i will run that inxi pastebinit
[05:02] <dbb> hi all -- ubuntu 1604, is there any reason to have a libssl-gnutls installed?   is this a conflict with (assumed more common) libssl-openssl ??
[05:02] <tatertots> ghostnik11: its highly likely you will not have time to download both
[05:02] <ghostnik11> tatertots,  at current internet speeds here it will be another 4 mins b/4 mate download is done, please bear with me
[05:02] <ghostnik11> tatertots, how big is it?
[05:02] <dbb> libcurl4-gnutls-dev  <- including this..
[05:04] <tatertots> dbb: what logical reason would a end user have in removing it if it already existed?...logical reason
[05:04] <dbb> well - I am asking if the two flavors conflict
[05:04] <dbb> openssl and gnutls
[05:05] <Bashing-om> !info libssl-gnutls xenial | dbb
[05:05] <tatertots> dbb: are you having any related symptom(s)?
[05:05] <tatertots> so a "human" did it
[05:06] <dbb> the long version of the question is.. installing python 2.7 packages with OS supplied python-xxx, or selectively with python native pip.  Look before you leap -- so I run apt install python-xxx -s   and look
[05:08] <dbb> when apt install libnetcdf-dev   I see that  libcurl4-gnutls-dev  would have been installed.. I suspect that 99% of setups use openssl
[05:08] <Zythyr> What channel would be appropriate to ask question about apache virtual host configuration after installing LAMP server on Ubuntu?
[05:08] <dbb> so.. before using apt install libnetcdf-dev, I wanted to know if that gnutls would actually make some kind of policy decision or something
[05:09] <dbb> libnetcdf4 is part of the base of python-netcdf and netcdf-bin .. the libs have to work
[05:10] <dbb> so the question still stands.. do gnutls something packages conflict with an openssl one
[05:10] <ghostnik11> tatertots, hey pastbin is already the newest version
[05:12] <ghostnik11> tatertots, i don't think i will have time to do it. but when i am done with finals i will come back to hotel to use internet and get stuff done
[05:12] <almoxarife[m]> Zythyr (IRC): apache has a help channel dont it? #apache maybe?
[05:13] <Zythyr> almoxarife[m] okay thanks
[05:13] <almoxarife[m]> Zythyr (IRC): good luck
[05:16] <dbb> ok - new info. I installed the openssl version of libcurl4 dev, and next tried   apt install libnetcdf-dev.  AND in fact, no libcurl4 dev would be installed. So I claim that is sufficient proof that the libcurl4 dev slot is now filled.
[05:17] <dbb> the gnutls wont get installed anymore, is the side-effect
[05:21] <niranjan> ver
[05:25] <lorne> i want to use qq to chat but no install
[05:25] <Neo4> why know what is it mean? http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1516512124.png
[05:25] <Neo4> in real example?
[05:26] <peterr> tatertots, still here?  I might not be here for much longer....did you refuel? :)  is there any tasks you want me to run? :)
[05:26] <Neo4> if I put on my VPS there mydestination on my domain assume it will (mydestination = kselax.ru ) What will happen then?
[05:26] <peterr> p.s. sorry about disappearing :)
[05:27] <Neo4> lets Postfix know which domains your server will accept mail from There it is written...
[05:27] <tatertots> peterr: you need to power off completely, disconnect the monitor cable, switch video interface cables if possible, power the computer back on and consult with me.
[05:27] <peterr> tatertots, switch to what?
[05:27] <Neo4> it means my server will accept all mails where anyname + @ + kselax.ru ?
[05:28] <peterr> I'm using hdmi right now
[05:28] <Neo4> seems yes,
[05:28] <Neo4> Now I set that empty
[05:28] <Neo4> it means my server not accept any domain?
[05:29] <Neo4> in video lesson said if it empty it means postfix can send message, and on that articles said that it can deliver not send, who is right?
[05:29] <Neo4> how to check it on practice?
[05:30] <Zombie> Is there a way I can get libuser_ldap on Ubuntu 16.04?
[05:30] <tatertots> peterr: use what ever other video interface cable you have in your inventory.
[05:30] <Zombie> default libuser does not build with it.
[05:30] <tatertots> peterr: if you have no others...simply follow all other steps
[05:32] <Neo4> I did redirect from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to my mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:32] <Neo4> echo "body" | mail -s "theme"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:33] <Neo4> all message from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>will redirect to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:34] <Neo4> if I put it mydestination = kselax.ru I won't send mails?
[05:36] <peterr> tatertots, ok
[05:37] <xs2> since when is #ubuntu a help channel for configuring mail accounts?
[05:42] <hanasaki> How can I connect to a remote machine and get the gdm/kde/etc greeter so I can login?
[05:44] <tatertots> hanasaki: you would need to configure the remote machine to be access remotely.
[05:44] <tatertots> hanasaki: and or ask the remote system administrator/engineer to perform the task.
[05:45] <hanasaki> I just need the info to do so myself
[05:45] <hanasaki> also want it to be over ssl/tls so its all encrypted
[05:49] <tatertots> hanasaki: have you put forth any system administrative efforts, or are you still at the "wanting" / "pipe dreaming" stage?
[05:50] <hanasaki> have done research.   care to share some tips on what you know works well
[05:59] <Neo4> what does it mean "What clients to relay mail from"?
[05:59] <Neo4> relay mail from? it means transfer mail somewhere?
[06:17] <tatertots> Neo4: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[06:17] <Neo4> tatertots: yes?
[06:17] <Neo4> tatertots: why are you asking?
[06:18] <tatertots> Neo4: sorry for asking..carry on
[06:22] <Neo4> what is postmaster?
[06:23] <Neo4> tatertots: do you know? it is administrator for mail server
[06:23] <Neo4> In computers and technology, postmaster is a term used to identify the administrator of a mail server. Nearly every domain should have the e-mail address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>where errors in e-mail processing are directed
[06:24] <Neo4> it means my domain kselax.ru has<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:24] <Neo4> if my server has error it will send to this mail?
[06:24] <Neo4> why need this postmaster?
[06:25] <Neo4> what is differ FQDN and URL ?
[06:25] <Neo4><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is FQDN or URL?
[06:27] <Neo4> FQDN (full qualified domain name) URL(uniform resource locator)
[06:29] <Neo4> FQDN is just notion, kselax.ru is FQDN and URL both?
[06:29] <Neo4> can we call any domain like FQDN?
[06:31] <Neo4> What is differ between PQDN (partially qualified domain name) and FQDN (fully qualified domain name)?
[06:33] <redcar> [1]+  Stopped vim test.asm <=—— how can i go back?
[06:33] <redcar> help me :(
[06:35] <gpio> fg
[06:36] <redcar> thanks what fg means?
[06:36] <gpio> foreground
[06:36] <redcar> oh thanks :)
[07:16] <Neo4> all domains are FQDN
[07:16] <Neo4> PQDN it's domain without trailing dot
[07:17] <Neo4> all or URLs are FQDN
[07:18] <Neo4> just on root mail it's PQDN name because it amply root@hostname mail
[07:18] <Neo4> and etc
[07:18] <Neo4> and whatnot...
[07:18] <oerheks> take a read, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_qualified_domain_name
[07:26] <Neo4> oerheks: bring examples better what is FQDN and what is not
[07:26] <Neo4> oerheks: mail.google.ru is FQDN? google.com is or not?
[07:31] <oerheks> google.com is not, mail.google.com is
[07:53] <anddam> oerheks: why is not google.com. FQDN?
[07:53] <anddam> or better why would google.com not be while mail.google.com would?
[07:55] <anddam> google.com should be a perfectly valid FQDN
[08:02] <Neo4> anddam: probably
[08:02] <Neo4> I badly understand this notions
[08:02] <Neo4> com is TLD (top level domain)
[08:03] <Neo4> google.com is  probably FQDN and google is PQDN without .com
[08:04] <ducasse> this isn't really an ubuntu question, why don't you take it to #ubuntu-offtopic or ##networking?
[08:05] <Neo4> just google is PQDN, and google.ru google.com google.ua are FQDN. may be
[08:05] <Neo4> difficult understand what is what
[08:05] <ikonia> it's not really for this channel though
[08:05] <Neo4> in postfix FQDN is full mail
[08:05] <Neo4> ok
[08:07] <streaky> partial doesn't get you to . - hence partial
[08:19] <Iain> q
[08:29] <ircfan> i run artful with mate and i expanded the workspace panel from 4 to 9 and added keyboard shortcuts for each number in combination with "meta". but when i use that key combination the programs are shuffled and placed into another box like a puzzle game
[08:29] <ircfan> do you know what i mean?
[08:30] <ircfan> firefox was in box 2 of the workspace panel and then its on box 5
[08:30] <ircfan> of the gnome-terminal from box 4 is in box 1
[08:34] <Grorco> ircfan, mine gets all messed up with just the 4
[08:34] <ircfan> Grorco: thats strange, right?
[08:34] <Grorco> ircfan, correction I always forget about the 5th
[08:36] <ircfan> like if some "move" command would be part of the game
[08:40] <Grorco> ircfan, I think it's just a bug with the window switcher applet
[08:42] <Grorco> ircfan, I see this https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/issues/251 but his description seems a little off lol
[08:44] <ircfan> interesting read, thank you Grorco
[08:46] <Grorco> ircfan, hopefully no no compsite will fix it
[08:54] <Dantevios> Is there any documentation that can tell me about the kernel modules in Ubuntu and what they do? I noticed they are separated into categories in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel such as crypto, net, sound etc
[08:54] <ikonia> the kernel documentation
[08:54] <ikonia> kernel.org
[08:56] <Dantevios> thanks ikonia
[09:00] <ircfan> ah, it moves the program from the current box to the destination
[09:00] <ircfan> and disabling the compositor does not help
[09:25] <Grorco> hmmm any suggestions on how to get to the bottom of a window that wont let you resize it?
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> Grorco: is your window outside your resolution perhaps?
[09:28] <Grorco> lotuspsychje, I just tried lowering my resolution still goes off the screen
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> Grorco: whats your native resolution on wich ubuntu version are you?
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> Grorco: xrandr might help you
[09:29] <Grorco> lotuspsychje, nvm I'm an idiot I needed to raise it lol
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> Grorco: yes, but sometimes on small screen laptops that might occur
[09:32] <Quetzal2> Grorco: Is it too big for the screen (thus hiding part of it)? Or is it just too small for it's content (thus not everything's shown)?
[09:33] <Grorco> lotuspsychje, 17" screen
[09:33] <Grorco> Quetzal2, it was too tall for the screen when not at max resolution
[09:34] <Grorco> the hex chat preferences screen
[09:34] <Quetzal2> ah, ok.
[09:34] <Quetzal2> Grorco: To reach the bottom, you can always «Alt+Left Click drag» the window.
[09:37] <Grorco> I might have to go for an old school hack for this problem, make an eye doctor appointment... XD
[09:39] <Quetzal2> :D Wait, is it really a 17" screen? ;)
[09:42] <Grorco> Quetzal2, yeah and I'm still to blind to run at full resolution lol
[09:59] <horkan> Moin Moin
[10:00] <baba_> mouthy guy
[10:22] <xinxin> ls
[10:24] <webmaster> hi
[10:36] <Brian001__> Hi all! Rddit sends me here...
[10:37] <gopal> how to install amd gfx drivers for ubuntu 6.04lts ,
[10:37] <Brian001__> Any idea how I can install: 'sudo apt-get install libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev'?
[10:37] <Brian001__> I get back 'The following packages have unmet dependencies'?
[10:37] <EriC^^> Brian001__: are you using a ppa to install it?
[10:37] <alpha_Aquila> hilight
[10:38] <Brian001__> I am running the command from above 'sudo apt-get install libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev'
[10:38] <Brian001__> Do I need a PPA?
[10:39] <gopal> how to install amd/intel hybrid gfx drivers for ubuntu 16.04  ?
[10:40] <Brian001__> I am quite sure I did not install a PPA for this.
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> !amd | gopal
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> Brian001__: unmet dependecys occur when a system gets scrambled by adding other external ppa's
[10:41] <gopal> which one should i choose ?
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> !sources | Brian001__
[10:41] <alpha_Aquila> hilight
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> alpha_Aquila: can we help you?
[10:42] <Brian001__> I think I found the following: 'https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/zesty/main/security/libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev'
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> Brian001__: zesty is end of life
[10:42] <alpha_Aquila> yes, but irssi support it's #irssi?
[10:43] <Brian001__> How do I find the same PPA for '17.10'?
[10:43] <alpha_Aquila> lotuspsychje: yes, but irssi support it's #irssi?
[10:43] <gopal> @lotuspsychje plz tell me which one should i choose https://paste.ubuntu.com/26429365/
[10:44] <EriC^^> Brian001__: can you type "apt-cache policy libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev" and pastebin the results?
[10:45] <Brian001__> Eric: yes, one sec
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> gopal: check sudo lshw -C video first, to see what drivers are installed?
[10:45] <Brian001__> Also, does 'lsb_release -a' report if I use '17.10' or '17.10.1'?
[10:45] <Brian001__> Because I get back '17.10'. Does it mean I can upgrade to '17.10.1'?
[10:46] <Brian001__> EriC^^: https://pastebin.com/8DwzdEmi
[10:46] <Traveage> whatever,who fucking cares what you use
[10:47] <ikonia> Traveage: tone down the language please
[10:47] <gopal> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26429gopal@gopal-HP-Notebook:~$ sudo lshw -C video [sudo] password for gopal: *-display description: VGA compatible controller product: Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics 520] vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 2 bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0 version: 07 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pciexpress msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom configuration: driver=i915 latency=0 resources: irq:125 memory:b000
[10:47] <Brian001__> if the question was meant seriously, I care.
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> !paste | gopal
[10:48] <EriC^^> Brian001__: type 'sudo apt-get -f install libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev' and please pastebin the results
[10:48] <gopal> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26429389/
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> gopal: thats your intel driver i915
[10:48] <baba_> they really frown on EOL around here
[10:48] <Traveage> sorry
[10:49] <Brian001__> The i915 driver isn't working in the Kernel currently...
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> gopal: seems like your ati card also has loaded radeon driver
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> gopal: can you tell us what your issue is exactly?
[10:49] <Brian001__> There is a reason i915 is 'alpha only' in 4.15.rc8
[10:50] <Brian001__> Not sure if there will be i915 support in 4.16.
[10:50] <gopal> i want to turn off amd gfx to save power , i am getting very less battery backup + battery drain even when off
[10:51] <Brian001__> Okay, as lsb_release -a returns '17.10' I have to upgrade. Or better install from scratch.
[10:52] <Brian001__> A message that I am running a outdated distro would have worked...
[10:52] <Traveage> I don't know what you are talking about but I hava another many questions
[10:52] <Brian001__> I just installed that around 3 weeks ago thus wasen't thinking about that...
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> gopal: have you checked your bios, perhaps you can disable from there?
[10:53] <gopal> cant
[10:53] <Traveage> yeah,that is right
[10:54] <gopal> i'm using hp ay008 tx
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> gopal: add this line to grub radeon.modeset=0
[10:55] <Traveage> mine too
[10:55] <Traveage> hp
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> Traveage: can you please stop that
[10:55] <Traveage> bye
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> gopal: https://askubuntu.com/questions/771562/16-04-power-off-discrete-graphics-ati-amd
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> Brian001__: always keep your system up to date
[10:57] <gopal> only i957 is used , how to improve battery backup ?
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> gopal: battery backup?
[10:58] <gopal> i am getting very less battery backup and battery drains even when laptop is off
[10:58] <gopal> Kernel driver in use: i915
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> !info laptop-mode-tools | gopal try this
[10:59] <gopal> and laptop takes too much time to start
[10:59] <EriC^^> Brian001__: your distro isn't outdated..
[10:59] <EriC^^> Brian001__: type 'sudo apt-get -f install libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev' and please pastebin the results
[11:00] <Brian001__> (Kernel driver i915 is non-functional in Linux.)
[11:01] <gopal> how to install it ?
[11:01] <Brian001__> gopal: You have to wait till 4.16. Kernel is out and it is unclear if the i915 driver will be working
[11:01] <Brian001__> You can activate alpha support with the kernel parameter: 'i915.alpha_support=1'
[11:02] <d0b3rm4nn> hi everybody
[11:02] <Brian001__> That will get you DRM
[11:02] <gopal> my laptop is very old ?
[11:02] <oerheks> "Kernel driver i915 is non-functional in Linux." not true ..
[11:02] <Brian001__> gopal: It is too new. And Intel can do anything (CPU, Meldown fix, Spectre fix, i915 are all super buggy.)
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> gopal: sudo apt install your-package-name
[11:03] <Brian001__> (Can't do anything.)
[11:03] <gopal> thx
[11:03] <oerheks> maybe latop-mode-tools can tweak your laptop, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/amd64/laptop-mode-tools
[11:04] <Brian001__> oerheks: Do you have an idea why i915 is 'alpha' only?
[11:04] <Brian001__> 'https://www.reddit.com/r/kernel/comments/7rtrag/which_kernel_version_has_support_of_intel_i915/'
[11:04] <Brian001__> 'https://gist.github.com/anonymous/013693eba61ad2cb765ac9e2d7b3925a'
[11:05] <Brian001__> I guess some people would say i915 is not working 100%
[11:05] <oerheks> Brian001__, that kernel you mentioned is in ~mainline, not supported yet until release .. rc8
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> Brian001__: please dont suggest things if your not really sure, to other users
[11:06] <Brian001__> oerheks: Not a single Intel product is working as of today for millions. Therefore a newer kernel is required for a working PC
[11:06] <Brian001__> I am sure
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> Brian001__: this is also not the right channel to discuss it
[11:06] <ikonia> I'm on an intel graphics card just fine
[11:06] <oerheks> !mainline
[11:07] <oerheks> "So i915 works but without DRM/hardware acceleration.".. it is a testing kernel, just that
[11:07] <Brian001__> lotuspschje: Current times are different. We didn't have such a fuckup since the late 90ies in Linux.
[11:07] <Brian001__> oerheks: Have you used Ubuntu without DRM?
[11:08] <Brian001__> Is there any distro that works well without DRM?
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> Brian001__: no reason to swear, and join #ubuntu-discuss please..this channel is for support
[11:08] <Brian001__> Because I could really need that (i.e., graphical manager without DRM).
[11:08] <gopal> i dont have kaby lake , i have i5 6th gen
[11:09] <gopal> so , i am using wrong drivers ?
[11:10] <Brian001__> gopal: Look up your onboard graphics card. Is it 'intel 610'? Such a name...
[11:10] <gopal> how ?
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy foilks
[11:11] <Brian001__> gopal: what is you labtop version/name?
[11:11] <gopal> hp ay008 tx
[11:12] <gopal> https://support.hp.com/in-en/document/c05221062
[11:12] <Brian001__> Your graphics card is 'HD Graphics 520'
[11:12] <baba_> hi, blues
[11:12] <gopal> yes , but u said i am using i9 something , which is not supported
[11:13] <Brian001__> gopal: You are using the right driver I would guess. That driver is now working 100% under Linux.
[11:13] <Brian001__> gopal: I would install 4.16. kernel as soon as it is out.
[11:14] <oerheks> Brian001__, bad advise, as we don't support that here
[11:14] <gopal> but Kernel driver in use: i915
[11:14] <misty5> can you escape login sessions and thus bypass pam_limits?
[11:14] <Brian001__> gopal: It is only working if you don't use graphics. Console is working fine.
[11:14] <oerheks> gopal, that driver should work fine
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> Brian001__: stop spreading FUD please
[11:14] <oerheks> gopal, maybe latop-mode-tools can tweak your laptop, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/amd64/laptop-mode-tools
[11:14] <Brian001__> gopal: The i915 driver that you are using is 'alpha'. This means that Intel doesn't think that it is working even 'beta'
[11:15] <oerheks> .. now stop that Brian001__ .. you are not helpfull
[11:15] <Brian001__> Where is a link that i915 is out of alpha?
[11:15] <oerheks> you refer to a RC kernel, not a released one
[11:15] <Brian001__> Just show me :)
[11:15] <Brian001__> I said as soon as 4.16. is out in the future.
[11:16] <gopal> i am using ubuntu 16.04 lts
[11:16] <dingir> hi
[11:17] <dingir> i have a radeon 290x i just cant get it working.. anyone familiar with this?
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> !amd | dingir
[11:17] <dingir> right now its running on "radeon" driver which gives me access to desktop
[11:17] <dingir> it used to work just fine on ubuntu 16.04 with "amdgpu" driver
[11:17] <dingir> im lost
[11:18] <dingir> amdgpu-pro wont work, i install fglrx?
[11:18] <dingir> cant find amdgpu
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> dingir: wich ubuntu version are you now?
[11:18] <gopal> how to install laptop mode tools ? or i should use tpl ? plz provide cmd
[11:18] <dingir> 17.10
[11:18] <oerheks> dingir, if amdgpu-pro does not support your card, you can only work with the open radeon driver, there is no fglrx anymore, see ubottu
[11:19] <oerheks> gopal, use softwarecenter ?
[11:19] <dingir> but the open radeon driver doesnt do opencl
[11:19] <dingir> i cant do anything
[11:19] <dingir> what do i need to do, downgrade to 16.04 ?
[11:19] <gopal> not working
[11:19] <ikonia> you can't
[11:20] <dingir> seriously im missing something
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> gopal: define 'not working'?
[11:20] <gopal> it dont install any thing , i tried for many app
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> gopal: hastebin.com us the output of sudo apt install laptop-mode-tools please
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> dingir: have you tested both xorg session and wayland at login?
[11:23] <dingir> on amdgpu-pro its a total fail, wont ever get to login screen
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> dingir: what did oerheks just suggested you
[11:24] <dingir> i mean i cannot use the open radeon software i need opencl thing to work
[11:28] <tomreyn> dingir: for amdgpu driven hardware and opencl, there are basically two options that i have heard to be working currently: (1) 16.04 with amdgpu-pro, 16.04 with amdgpu from xorg-edgers
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> dingir: also keep in mind 17.10 is non-lts, if you had better support on 16.04 LTS clean install it again
[11:28] <tomreyn> i don't mean to say it wont work in 17.10, i just don't know.
[11:28] <dingir> well i installed amdgpu-pro 17.50, dont know why i was trying 17.40, now it boots
[11:28] <dingir> driver in use is "amdgpu"
[11:29] <dingir> but now im stuck on 1024x768... no more higher resolution available
[11:29] <dingir> ok.. might go back to 16.04
[11:29] <dingir> sucks
[11:29] <tomreyn> afaik amdgpu-pro is supported on 16.04 (only), but i bet you read up on that before upgrading
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> dingir: its the users choice to update to lts or non-lts
[11:31] <dingir> i wish i had!
[11:31] <dingir> yes ok
[11:33] <misty5> can you as a user create your own session (for yourself) without going through some login program and thus bypass the pam_limit (and others) sessions that are executed when you login?
[11:33] <Altair> that works now
[11:34] <Altair> alpha_Aquila,  that works now
[11:35] <Exterminador> !eolupgrade
[11:36] <baba_> are these security updates really so important? this is a real question....not a provocation
[11:37] <alpha_Aquila> Altair: yeh nice!
[11:39] <gopal> thx laptop mod is installed , but still my laptop take too much time to start, i am using ufei
[11:40] <ikonia> define too much time to start
[11:40] <ikonia> and what part is taking up the time
[11:49] <dingir> why can i boot on wayland not xorg?
[11:50] <tomreyn> dingir: you may need to rephrase this question.
[11:50] <dingir> ok sorry
[11:50] <dingir> when i get to login screen, if i select "ubuntu" i can login if i select "ubuntu xorg" it brings me loopback to login screen
[11:51] <secretqwerty10> hello. i'm new to this all
[11:51] <tomreyn> secretqwerty10: hello there.
[11:51] <tomreyn> dingir: which ubuntu release are you on now?
[11:51] <dingir> 17.10
[11:52] <joueg> Hi can someone give me some help with systemd resolved? just recently updated to 17.10 dns stopped working. dig works. but curl does not resolve the domain...
[11:52] <tomreyn> dingir: oh i was thinking you were going to install 16.04
[11:52] <tomreyn> dingir: is xorg installed?
[11:52] <blackflow> joueg: my recommendation is to disable systemd-resolved. it's broken.
[11:53] <joueg> @blackflow and use?
[11:53] <tomreyn> blackflow: is there a bug report on that?
[11:53] <dingir> yes im going back, sure..
[11:53] <dingir> just trying some last things
[11:53] <dingir> how do i know if xorg is installed?
[11:53] <dingir> it is listed as a choice..
[11:53] <blackflow> joueg: whatever resolver your DHCP server is giving you, or set up manually in resolv.conf and/or run something like  unbound.
[11:54] <dingir> is there nvidia support for 17.10?
[11:54] <tomreyn> dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core
[11:54] <dingir> ok sec.. its rebooting
[11:54] <blackflow> systemd-resolved is NOT a recursive resolver, it's a stub resolver. so you don't need it.
[11:55] <joueg> @blackflow so I changed resolv.conf to namserver <IP_ADDRESS> yet curl still doesn't resolve
[11:55] <joueg> seems that hosts file works
[11:55] <joueg> how should that look?
[11:56] <joueg> etc/nsswitch
[11:56] <blackflow> joueg: you can't just change it. you have to mask systemd-resolved, and then set /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf to desired resolving method, see NetworkManager.conf manpage for dns= entry
[11:56] <dingir> yes it returns xserver-xorg-c 2:1.19.5-0ub
[11:56] <blackflow> joueg: note also that resolv.conf is a symlink
[11:56] <misty5> can you as a user create your own session (for yourself) without going through some login program and thus bypass the pam_limit (and others) sessions that are executed when you login?
[11:57] <blackflow> if you want control over it, unlink it and create a file.
[11:59] <dingir> damn..
[11:59] <dingir> that amdgpu driver almost worked
[11:59] <dingir> i have no opencl shared libraries apparently.. im screwed
[12:09] <joueg> @blackflow I now have my resolv.conf not symlnked and with nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> and dns=default on networkmanager.conf
[12:09] <joueg> however no change
[12:10] <joueg> etc/hosts works if i place a domain directly there
[12:10] <joueg> what should my nsswitch look like?
[12:11] <oerheks> don't edit resolv.conf, put a file in resolv.conf.d for static dns
[12:11] <oerheks> or better, use netplan
[12:11] <oerheks> !netplan
[12:12] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan
[12:12] <joueg> yeah I have no dns right now so before I can set up anything I need some basic dns
[12:15] <joueg> ohh ok managed! default set my namserver to <IP_ADDRESS> by network manager
[12:15] <joueg> I'm starting to hate systemd
[12:16] <joueg2> ok so now this is better
[12:16] <joueg2> at least I can use my laptop should be easier to fix this mess now than using my phone
[12:16] <joueg2> @blackflow thanks
[12:18] <blackflow> joueg: I recommend you install unbound and have a local, proper resolver so you don't depend on ISP/DHCP/systemd
[12:18] <dingir> how do i know if im using wayland or xorg on my current session?
[12:19] <blackflow> joueg: systemd-resolved, despite the name, is not a recursive resolver, it's a stub, so it requires a resolver, given by dhcp, or manually, which defeats its purpse as glibc can resolve with those anyway and does so PROPERLY.
[12:19] <akik> dingir: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[12:19] <blackflow> joueg: one way is to have it set by dhcp, what you did now manually, but I think that requries using dnsmasq (and dns=dnsmasq for NEtworkManager)
[12:19] <secretqwerty> 'm back
[12:19] <dingir> akik very thanks
[12:20] <secretqwerty> i have no idea why i'm even doing this
[12:20] <blackflow> joueg: another to use  unbound (and dns=unbound in NetworkManager.conf), which is what I'd recommend.
[12:20] <blackflow> personally I use bind, but I have reasons for that.
[12:20] <joueg2> @blackflow so what exactly is systemd there for? basically from what you are explaining it just adds an extra hop
[12:20] <joueg2> systemd-resolved (not all of systemd)
[12:21] <blackflow> joueg: it's worse than that, it uses XML over dbus to resolve names..... I have no idea why it was added to the provject, or even why ubuntu is using it. 17.04 was a particular mess with it. it's unable to use DNSSEC properly so the canonical "solution" was to disable dnssec.... :/
[12:21] <blackflow> it also does NOT follow the standards of resolve.conf which demand every entry be tried IN ORDER. it "remembers" last one valid, which easily breaks vpn and LAN resolvers.
[12:21] <joueg2> I remember tinkering with this on the upgrade to 17.04 because again it was not working at the time the solution was to revert back to dnsmasq
[12:21] <joueg2> but I think now they removed it
[12:22] <blackflow> yeah it's a mess.
[12:22] <joueg2> ohh well I thought they were going for a user friendly works out of the box os...
[12:22] <joueg2> thanks for the help
[12:23] <sebo_> Hello. Can someone help with with a blank purple screen when booting ubuntu 16.04, due to some nvidia driver problems? I get it after every dist-upgrade, and I never found a durable solution
[12:23] <blackflow> user friendly works out of the box has been the case for many years. dhcp/glic are perfectly capable of doint it on their own.
[12:23] <blackflow> *glibc
[12:24] <joueg2> but it seems they have broken that
[12:24] <BVale> does someone have a macpro 6,1 and was able to get 3d acceleration to run ?
[12:25] <blackflow> joueg: yup.
[12:25] <blackflow> joueg: but the good thing is one can remove and disable unwanted components. as long as tath's possible, all is good. when it stops being possible, well....
[12:26] <joueg2> yeah I get that my point is just a normal will user will just say it's broken and move on
[12:27] <joueg> blackflow any reason I should use unbound over say <IP_ADDRESS> (google) ?
[12:27] <joueg> or even opens dns?
[12:27] <blackflow> joueg: full control over your DNS stack. if you need it, that is. For example, it's easy to clear DNS caches by having a local resolver, if you're a web developer and/or deal with changing domains and their zones.
[12:28] <blackflow> but you're of course free to use google's if privacy is not that much of a concern to you :)
[12:28] <joueg> ohh that makes perfect sense and indeed would be useful
[12:28] <brainwash> BVale: I don't have one, but what did you try so far?
[12:30] <misty5> what's a "positional parameter"?
[12:30] <misty5> btw, nproc isn't stopping a user from starting unlimited processes? All I have to do is to start a new session and get another set of nproc limit to fill up
[12:44] <da7niel> when I type 'cd' by itself into terminal it takes me to my home directory including desktop, documents, etc. If I want to navitage to root directory, I have to type "cd ../../../.....". Is there a way to navitage to root directory quickly so that I don't need to use ../../ a bunch of times?
[12:45] <oerheks> cd /  # would do
[12:45] <da7niel> oerheks: ahh! that did the trick. Thank you
[12:54] <Jonii> Hello. I got new SSD, and I formatted it. However, it seems that it's set so that I cannot modify contents of that drive at all
[12:55] <Jonii> I haven't ever used multiple drives before, so... Basically, I'm actually unsure what things should look like when I get it to work
[12:57] <akik> Jonii: it should work just as your hdd
[12:57] <oerheks> Jonii chown that disk, tons of examples to find, like https://itsfoss.com/set-write-permission-ext4-partition-ubuntu-linux/
[12:57] <Jonii> I can mount it to /media/<UUID> where I don't have rights to modify it at all
[12:57] <oerheks> if you would do sudo + copy, it would work
[12:58] <auronandace> Jonii: you say you formatted it. What filesystem did you format it with?
[12:58] <Jonii> Ext4
[12:59] <Jonii> I used all the default settings of gparted
[13:00] <auronandace> Jonii: if you want it mounted automatically you'll need to add it to fstab and assign a mount point
[13:00] <auronandace> !fstab | Jonii
[13:00] <oerheks> auronandace, still the owner would be root, no?
[13:01] <Jonii> auronandace, yeah I was wondering about that. What's the default way? Like, I could literally mount it wherever, right? But I suppose there are some standard  ways to do it
[13:01] <auronandace> oerheks: wouldn't that depend on the options you use to mount it?
[13:02] <oerheks> sudo chown -R jonii:jonii /media/<uuid>
[13:02] <sebo_> hm, I am getting out of ideas. Nothing helps me fix the purple screen this time..
[13:04] <auronandace> oerheks: sorry, yes. I'm so used to using the uid option for mounting ntfs partitions. never had to manually add an ext4 partition to fstab
[13:16] <auronandace> Jonii: I create a directory under /mnt/ and usually name it after the partition I'm mounting (like /mnt/sda5). Depends where you want it really. /media is usually used to dynamically detect drives to mount as far as I remember
[13:17] <oerheks> auronandace +1, /media for removable media,  and /mnt for fstab entries
[13:18] <Borw3_> I use gnome-disk-utility to set my drives to mount where I want on boot. :)
[13:32] <BlackDalek> hi. How do I fix "Cannot open /dev/dsp (No such file or directory)"?
[13:32] <skinux> Need help with this https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b
[13:33] <blackflow> BlackDalek: that's OSS, I don't think there's support for it in Ubuntu, where ALSA is the primary audio kernel interface
[13:35] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: check padsp
[13:36] <tomreyn> pulseaudio-utils: /usr/bin/padsp
[13:37] <tomreyn> padsp -h | head -n1
[13:37] <tomreyn> /usr/bin/padsp - redirect OSS audio devices to PulseAudio
[13:39] <tomreyn> skinux: whenever you paste (unless told differently) provide the full commands you ran and the full output they generated
[13:40] <tomreyn> also provide context, such as ubuntu release version ('lsb_release -ds' or cat /etc/issue) and what you tried to do, expected to see happen, and how the result differs from your point of view.
[13:40] <skinux> https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b
[13:42] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, how do I make use of padsp if the program is launched by ./filename? I'm getting the same error about dev/dsp missing if I type padsp ./filename
[13:43] <PapaJoe245> Any experience with the following error: "libGL error: unable to load driver: swrast_dri.so" ?
[13:44] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: padsp interpreteroffilename ./filename
[13:44] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: or just: padsp interpreteroffilename filename
[13:45] <tomreyn> run: file './filename'   # to determine the correct interpreter
[13:45] <BlackDalek> ok thanks
[13:47] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, it outputs: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, stripped, too many notes (256)
[13:47] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, so what do I enter for interpreter?
[13:47] <dingir> anyone knows if there is an interface like the windows one for amd gpu ?
[13:47] <tomreyn> PapaJoe245: more details needed, see what i wrote for skinux above.
[13:48] <dingir> like a place to set the fan threshold and stuff like that...
[13:48] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: it's bytecode, so if you have a system which mates this (32-bit) architecture you can run it directly.
[13:49] <pabed___> Hi guys , please help me  I wanted to install ubuntu along side windowa 10 , I disable secure boot and fast boot , and i created 500 mb fat32 and 40 G ext4
[13:50] <pabed___> Unfortunatly during instalation grub it gave error
[13:50] <pabed___> And i cannot boot windows 10 not ubuntu
[13:51] <pabed___> What should i do i have important date on windows
[13:51] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, sorry... you've lost me. My system is 64-bit. I'm still no closer to discovering what I type for padsp ?interpreter??? filename
[13:52] <brainwash> dingir: I think there isn't
[13:52] <skinux> tomreyn: It started with trying to start mysql service. Let me add that info
[13:53] <skinux> Okay, it's on the gist
[13:53] <dingir> ok
[13:54] <skinux> I'm not being able to find solution info online.
[13:54] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: you'd only need an interpreter if ./filename was a skript, so an interpretered language. but it is already compiled code which can be run directly. however, it's a 32-bit application and since you have a 64-bit system you will n3eed to solve the resulting compatibility issues. i don't know how to make padsp work with 32-bit applications but maybe searching the web will help you.
[13:55] <brainwash> dingir: have a look at https://github.com/marazmista/radeon-profile
[13:56] <neildugan> hi I need some help setting up the some dkim dns records.  can anyone here help?
[13:56] <dingir> ok thjanks
[13:58] <brainwash> dingir: if you don't want to build it yourself, try https://launchpad.net/~trebelnik-stefina/+archive/ubuntu/radeon-profile
[13:58] <dingir> tanks again
[14:00] <EriC^^> pabed___: what happens exactly?
[14:00] <EriC^^> when you boot windows and ubuntu from grub
[14:02] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: try this: sudo apt update && sudo apt install libpulsedsp:i386; LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pulseaudio/libpulsedsp.so ./filename
[14:03] <DexterF> hi
[14:04] <DexterF> 4G usb modem on 16.04 laptop: plug in, activte, apn/credentials, tadaa, 4G active. nm-tui on ubuntu-server: shows wwan0, but that's it then. what does the desktop variant do different?
[14:05] <akik> DexterF: is wwan0 the wireless interface that you want to connect to your wireless network?
[14:05] <TJ-> DexterF: do you need to install usb_modeswitch, modemmanager and/or ofono ?
[14:09] <ggz> hi
[14:09] <ggz> i just installed lxde but i don't see it in the list in the login screen
[14:09] <DexterF> TJ-, modemmanager and ofono are unknown to me. will check.
[14:09] <ggz> (16.04)
[14:11] <TJ-> !info lxsession | ggz: did you install
[14:12] <ggz> TJ-: thank you, it was missing
[14:31] <misty5> pam.d/su-l  any idea what that is? I don't have a su-l command
[14:52] <yeats> misty5: http://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/su.1.html
[14:54] <misty5> yeats: why are there two different?
[14:58] <yeats> misty5: read the "Files" section of what I just linked to
[15:01] <justJanne> So long, and thanks for all the fish! It’s been a long time with Ubuntu (and a nice time), but in light of the way EOL is handled, I’ve now moved on. Thanks everyone that helped me with issues here over the years :)
[15:05] <Guest88198> s
[15:06] <transhuman> anyone know where the wine Home directory is I know its in drive_c but is it under users/username/Downloads for instance is there a quick way as a user to change to the correct path?
[15:07] <ikonia> you set it in the wine config
[15:08] <kaiser> hello, im coming from freebsd land and i need to compile something that requires gcc6.1 at least
[15:09] <kaiser> i downloaded the newest ubuntu and it only has gcc 5.4? and no other gcc is in the repos?
[15:09] <ikonia> what is the exact version of ubuntu you installed
[15:09] <brainwash> newest ubuntu is 17.10 with gcc 7.1 I think
[15:09] <ikonia> hence my interest what version
[15:10] <kaiser> Linux beans 4.4.0-87-generic #110-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 18 12:55:35 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:10] <kaiser> i just downloaded it
[15:10] <ikonia> what version of ubuntu
[15:10] <ikonia> not what kernel
[15:10] <kaiser> ugh
[15:10] <brainwash> 7.2 even
[15:10] <ikonia> what version of ubuntu did you install
[15:10] <kaiser> in freebsd uname -a tells everything
[15:10] <kaiser> sorry
[15:10] <kaiser> 1 sec
[15:10] <kaiser> ubunut 16.04
[15:11] <ikonia> so thats not the latest
[15:11] <ikonia> thats the current LTS
[15:11] <ikonia> as such LTS is supposed to be "static" for the duration of it's lifespan, which was 2016
[15:11] <ikonia> hence why you have GCC 5
[15:11] <kaiser> uh okay
[15:12] <kaiser> is it still possible to install gcc7 or 6?
[15:12] <ikonia> if you find a repo that contains it
[15:12] <ikonia> be aware though if it's not in the official ubuntu repo the quality/support of that package will not be supported here
[15:13] <kaiser> alright
[15:13] <nukem> anyone know why upgrading LTS (after a fresh installation) fails to boot.  Please see https://imgur.com/61yeBqO
[15:14] <ikonia> upgrading LTS ?
[15:14] <ikonia> from what to what
[15:14] <nukem> just a regular update
[15:14] <nukem> installed 16.04.3.  Had networking running during install so it'd supposedly install the latest packages.  Ran apt update/upgrade afterwards and rebooted, and it comes to that
[15:14] <ikonia> so not an upgrade, just applying updates
[15:14] <nukem> right sorry.  meant apt upgrade
[15:15] <ikonia> not a problem, just clarifying
[15:15] <nukem> system had been running fine.  previously had 16.04.3, installed 17.10 on top of it, went back to 16.04.3
[15:15] <ikonia> interesting that kworker is hung,
[15:15] <nukem> and then after install > reboot > update > reboot = hang
[15:15] <ikonia> thats reasonably harsh
[15:15] <nukem> i assumed so
[15:16] <nukem> trying the older (4.10) kernel doesn't make a difference, so i don't think it's a kernel issue
[15:16] <ikonia> what network card do you have
[15:16] <ikonia> broadcom by any chance ?
[15:16] <nukem> i also did not have the intel microcode selected, so that maybe rules out an Intel snafu
[15:16] <nukem> yes
[15:16] <nukem> believe so
[15:16] <ikonia> Hmmm, can you boot into recovery mode ?
[15:16] <nukem> this is the machine http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np6872-clevo-n870hk1.html
[15:16] <nukem> I can but cannot get Networking to work in recovery mode
[15:16] <ikonia> thats ok
[15:16] <nukem> think it says it can't find /etc/resolv.conf
[15:17] <nukem> tried running a live USB, chroot, to try to check packages and such, and after chroot, it can't resolve networks or ping google or anything
[15:17] <ikonia> boot into reovery mode, and as a test disable networking from systemd, then reboot into normal mode
[15:17] <ikonia> I'm curious if it's the network module thats hanging it
[15:17] <nukem> (i'm new to trying that approach, so maybe that's not how it works)
[15:17] <ikonia> not sure what chrooting would prove at this time ?
[15:17] <nukem> ikonia: ok, mind explaining how to do that once in recovery?
[15:17] <ikonia> systemctl disable $network-service-name
[15:17] <ikonia> networking I think
[15:18] <nukem> i dunno, wanted to run apt to see if all latest packages installed properly
[15:18] <nukem> ok lemme try that
[15:18] <nukem> sec
[15:18] <ikonia> systemctl list-unit-files --type=service should show you
[15:18] <nukem> have to mount the filesystem as rw first?
[15:19] <arun007> Hi I am using Ubuntu 16.04. I want to set DNS. I am using usb tethering for connection. The problem is when I restart my computer after setting dns a new network is created like Wired connection 2, Wired connection 3 etc. So I can't use dns
[15:19] <nukem> network-manager.service and networking.service
[15:19] <ikonia> nukem: yes, you'll need to mount the file system rw, sorry
[15:19] <ikonia> get rid of both network-manager and networking as a test
[15:19] <nukem> ikonia: and a few others:  NetworkManager-dispatcher.service, NetworkManager-wait-online.service (this one seems to be having issues), NetworkManager.service
[15:20] <ikonia> nukem: so that wait service is the error you are seeing
[15:20] <ikonia> however I suspect thats because the network service isn't coming up
[15:22] <nukem> ok after that then go back to recovery menu and try to resume boot?
[15:23] <nukem> well that worked..
[15:23] <nukem> i think last night i was able to go through recovery to get it to boot but i didn't disable anything like that
[15:23] <nukem> was late, not sure what i did
[15:24] <nukem> ikonia: and strangely, my networking seems to be working
[15:24] <nukem> i disabled networking, network-manager, and networkmanager-wait-online.service
[15:24] <ikonia> nukem: when you login network manager will start
[15:24] <ikonia> that networking is "pre-login"
[15:25] <nukem> i see
[15:25] <nukem> so what do you suggest i do to make this a permanent fix?
[15:25] <nukem> and presumably there might be a reason i'd want networking to be running before having to physically logging in
[15:25] <ikonia> I suggest now that your machine is booting, you can work through the proble
[15:25] <ikonia> problem
[15:25] <nukem> remote desktop for example
[15:26] <misty5> yeats: yes, that's what I said (exactly what the Files section says), but why is it so?
[15:28] <kk4ewt> nukem,  services like ssh and httpd do not need login
[15:28] <pedrocr> anyone know why the spectre fix kernels have only gone into -proposed?
[15:28] <nukem> ikonia: any tips on where to look to start investigating the root cause?  journalctl doesn't seem to be very helpful here.  are previous failed boots logged somewhere else?
[15:29] <ikonia> nukem: should be details in the syslog
[15:29] <nukem> kk4ewt: but if i disable pre-login networking, won't my network interface be deactivated until logging in?
[15:30] <nukem> ikonia: how far back does syslog usually go? not very far, i presume
[15:30] <ikonia> should go back quite a way, syslog doesn't get rotated hourly or anything like that
[15:30] <kk4ewt> nope if you totally disable networking you will have no networking even after loggin on
[15:31] <steve_wye> nick barabas-A250
[15:31] <nukem> kk4ewt: I booted into recovery, mounted the fs, went to root prompt, disabled a few networking-related services, and resumed boot. that got me through, and networking seemed to be working fine
[15:31] <nukem> ikonia: would lvmetad have anything to do with this?
[15:32] <ikonia> doubtful, but possible I guess
[15:32] <ikonia> depends on the error/problem
[15:32] <nukem> i do have a message on tty7 when shutting down about lvmetad
[15:32] <nukem> read that i should go into some lvm conf file and disable it
[15:32] <ikonia> are you using lvm ?
[15:32] <kk4ewt> recovery is runlevel 1 when you boot in you are login with gui you are logging in on runlevel 5
[15:33] <nukem> ikonia: i am
[15:33] <nukem> but read that lvm doesn't use it by default, even if it's running
[15:33] <ikonia> nukem: so understanding the error would be key then
[15:33] <kk4ewt> nukem,  can you say why you dont want any networking
[15:33] <kk_> hi. I am having a problem where ubuntu desktop doesn't show after login.
[15:33] <nukem> kk4ewt: I do want networking.  But it seems to be hanging my system upon boot (after fresh LTS installation followed by update/reboot).  See here: https://imgur.com/61yeBqO
[15:34] <kk_> I am able to access bash by doing ctrl+alt+f1
[15:34] <kk_> but nothing on the gui. I just get a blank blueish screen.
[15:34] <kk_> any ideas on how i can resolve this problem?
[15:35] <soogy> why does Python IDLE have a ugly Windows 98 like theme ?
[15:35] <soogy> i'm using paper gtk
[15:47] <brainwash> soogy: is python idle a gtk application?
[15:47] <soogy> brainwash, no idea but i think it is
[15:47] <soogy> unlikely its qt
 When I go to Google in Firefox, I get  SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER.  When I searched the issue on Bing, none of the answers seems to apply to me.  Does anyone know why this would happen on a home computer?
[15:48] <brainwash> soogy: "coded in 100% pure Python, using the Tkinter GUI toolkit"
[15:49] <ggz> soogy: IDLE is Tk, not Gtk, that's why
[15:49] <ikonia> Gizmo_Romick: the certificate you have does not match the certificate google is offering
[15:50] <soogy> ggz, is there a fix for the theming ?
[15:50] <brainwash> I would ask in the python channel
[15:50] <ggz> soogy: i don't know sorry
[15:51] <Gizmo_Romick> ikonia: I guess I should try resetting the certficate store in Firefox?  Maybe something got corrupted with google's certs.  I think that is more likely than a man in the middle attack.
[15:51] <ikonia> Gizmo_Romick: I don't think thats likley
[15:52] <ikonia> Gizmo_Romick: have you actually LOOKED at the certificates to see where the missmatch is ?
[15:55] <Gizmo_Romick> ikonia: I just need to figure out how to do that
[15:55] <ikonia> open the cert - the browser will also expand what it's offering
[15:57] <misty5> I'm not getting it (read a bunch of articles and stackexchanges now). What's the difference between DAC and MAC? Is it that DAC allows users to control access rights while MAC isn't?
[15:59] <nukem> ikonia: well... tried booting normally, except with `nomodeset`, and it seems to work...
[16:00] <ikonia> nomode set is for graphics config
[16:00] <nukem> ikonia: had tried to reboot after getting in through recovery, and it was hanging on something to do with finding GPU changes
[16:00] <nukem> I know...
[16:00] <Gizmo_Romick> ikonia: I click on the "i" next to the website name, click on the right arrow and then more information.  It takes me to the page info, where it says that "Verified by" is "not specified".  Could that be the problem?
[16:00] <nukem> It's an nvidia card..figured it wouldn't hurt to see if that had any impact.. and sure enough. makes no sense
[16:01] <TheWild> hello
[16:01] <ikonia> nukem: I don't understand how that is impacting your network...unless that is red herring and the network is hanging because nvidia is hanging
[16:01] <TheWild> why "what should be already there" doesn't come with Ubuntu? http://www.webupd8.org/2016/05/customize-notifyosd-notification.html
[16:01] <ikonia> Gizmo_Romick: no idea, you'll need to look at the certs to understand it
[16:02] <nukem> ikonia: I suspect that could be it... and I'm not even using the nvidia driver; still using nouveau I believe
[16:02] <ikonia> nukem: thats ok nomode set is not only for the nvidia module
[16:02] <nukem> ikonia: no wait... i see now that my network isn't running
[16:02] <Gizmo_Romick> ikonia: are you talking about the certificate store?  It looks like google's cert should be signed by GlobalSign
[16:02] <nukem> so disabling the service in recovery as before - that survives reboots?
[16:02] <ikonia> nukem: thats ok also, that means network manager just isn't starting as you login
[16:03] <ikonia> Gizmo_Romick: googles cert is
[16:03] <ikonia> nukem: yes, recovery is  your "real" system
[16:03] <gouravkandoria> #newcomers
[16:03] <nukem> ikonia: yeah, which is prob why it booted successfully (i.e. me setting nomodeset was just coincidence to successful boot).. but not sure I want it this way.
[16:03] <ikonia> nukem: that would make sense
[16:03] <gouravkandoria> #newcomers
[16:04] <gouravkandoria> Helloworld
[16:05] <nukem> ikonia: rebooted and now it comes up to tty, not GUI Login
[16:06] <nukem> ikonia: trying startx, think it'll fail
[16:06] <ikonia> don't run startx
[16:06] <ikonia> you've messed with your graphics settings (I dont know why - I don't know what problem you where trying to fix)
[16:06] <ikonia> you asked for help with your machine hanging - it's suddenly changed to messing with graphics config
[16:07] <ikonia> I'm missing context here
[16:07] <nukem> booting  temporarily with nomodeset shouldn't have a permanent impact on it, to my knowledge
[16:07] <ikonia> nukem: how did you do it temporary ?
[16:08] <nukem> ikonia: 'e' at grub menu
[16:09] <ikonia> nukem: so look at the xorg log and see what fatal error it's complaining about
[16:09] <Gizmo_Romick> ikonia: I notice now that there is no "view certificate" button when I visit google's site, but there is when I visit other secure sites
[16:10] <ikonia> Gizmo_Romick: I can see the google cert just fine
[16:11] <oerheks> Gizmo_Romick, did you try to reset firefox, by removing ~/.mozilla/  folder ?
[16:11] <oerheks> and restart firefox after that
[16:11] <nukem> ikonia: it's been trying to reboot for a while and still getting those task kworker messages apparently
[16:12] <nukem> ikonia: even though seemingly the networking services weren't even running
[16:12] <ikonia> what have you changed ?
[16:12] <ikonia> what is the service failing before kworker complaining
[16:12] <Emery> I'm having some trouble installing ubuntu, I have the USB plugged into my keyboard but it won't install
[16:12] <Gizmo_Romick> oerheks: I'll try it, but it seems the problem has synced between multiple computers.  I'm afraid that the problem will just come back
[16:13] <nukem> ikonia: so far i only disabled those few networking services via recovery console, and rebooted with nomodeset, then now trying to reboot from that session and it's hung on shutting down.  there are no failure messages.. that's what's weird. lemme paste a pic
[16:13] <ikonia> did you look in the xorg log as I suggested ?
[16:14] <nukem> haven't gotten to that point yet b/c the system isn't accessible yet
[16:14] <nukem> it's still in the shutdown/reboot sequence
[16:15] <TheWild> "dpkg -l" listed "notify-osd", but not "ps aux", not even "sudo service --status-all". So what freaking thing actually displays the notifications?
[16:16] <Gizmo_Romick> oerherks: that immediately fixed the issue.  I'll see what happens when connected to firefox sync
[16:17] <oerheks> Gizmo_Romick, before you do that, look for the plugins you have installed, there might be one that is faulty
[16:17] <d0b3rm4nn> hi every
[16:17] <oerheks> and set them back one by one, to see which one
[16:17] <d0b3rm4nn> body
[16:17] <Warren_> Hi all, looking for some help with a login loop... forums have been a dead end for me.
[16:19] <crandon> Hi! I created an l2 openvpn connection from my laptop (ubuntu 17.04) to an openvpn server. Interestingly once the vpn is up I'm unable to edit the route table with ip route add/delete (ie: I'd like to add a default gw for the laptop via a gw on the server side network (and yes, the gw on the remote network is in the same subnet as the client)
[16:19] <crandon> Any ideas? ip route gives no error, not is there anything in syslog
[16:20] <TJ-> Warren_: do you mean GUI login? Does a console log-in work (Ctrl+Alt+F2) ?
[16:21] <Gizmo_Romick> oerherks: as soon as I enable firefox sync, even if I don't sync plugins, the problem comes back
[16:22] <Warren_> TJ-: yes, the GUI login is looping, but I can log in from the console.
[16:22] <TJ-> Warren_: check for files not owned by your user in it's $HOME directory: "find $HOME -maxdepth 2 \! -user $UID -ls"
[16:22] <Warren_> ok brb
[16:22] <TJ-> Warren_: This is usually caused by $HOME/.Xauthority being owend by root due to using sudo startx or similar
[16:23] <TJ-> Warren_: if that's what you see do "sudo chown $USER:$USER $HOME/*" and the retry the GUI log-in
[16:23] <Warren_>  19792049      4 drwx------   2 root     root         4096 Aug 15 16:14 /home/warren/.cache/dconf  19800241      4 drwx------   3 root     root         4096 Aug 15 16:12 /home/warren/.dbus find: ‘/home/warren/.dbus’: Permission denied
[16:23] <ikonia> root in your homedir....
[16:23] <oerheks> Gizmo_Romick, oke, not sure what to look for in your sync'd data ..
[16:24] <Warren_> Xauthority was something I already checked, but it's owned by me
[16:25] <Gizmo_Romick> oerheks: I'm enabling syncing on each of the options.  I think it may be "preferences".  I'm not sure which preference it couldbe
[16:25] <crandon> Warren: I'd chown those directories above....
[16:25] <TJ-> Warren_: ./dbus and others could lead to the same problem. Also check contents of $HOME/.xsession-errors
[16:26] <Warren_> ok, I'll give that a try, reboot to test, and I'll be back.
[16:27] <TJ-> Warren_: reboots aren't required
[16:27] <TJ-> Warren_: once the fixes are done Alt+F7 to return to the greeter log-in screen
[16:30] <Gizmo_Romick> oerheks: is there any way to reset the certificate store?  would that potentially solve my issue?
[16:32] <tomreyn> crandon: 17.04 is !eol
[16:36] <d0b3rm4nn> i need help with netflix and firefox. I have ubuntu 16.04. I can see nothing and when i try to install the extensions for firefox, it doesn’t work. Thx
[16:38] <crandon> tomreyn: I know, do-release-upgrade is running in the background :)
[16:39] <crandon> tomreyn: Question is still valid though.
[16:39] <Warren__> Back - without success
[16:39] <crandon> I've never seen the route table being 'immutable' unless the command you issued was syntactically or semantically (ie: gw was not available on a directly connected network)
[16:40] <Warren__> GUI login still looping, nothing in my home dir is not owned by me
[16:40] <crandon> Warren__: Can you run the above find command once again?
[16:40] <crandon> Warren__: Ah ok.
[16:40] <Warren__> yeah, it returns nothing now
[16:41] <crandon> Do you have a ~/.xsession-errors file in you home?
[16:41] <crandon> Warren__: Do you have a ~/.xsession-errors file in you home?
[16:42] <Warren__> Yes.
[16:42] <crandon> Warren__: Please let us know it's content
[16:43] <Warren__> k
[16:44] <Warren__> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26431329/
[16:46] <nukem> ikonia: well, the Failed to start Network Manager Wait Online issue is also happneing on a 17.10 VM...
[16:49] <gopal> hi
[16:49] <gopal> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/   https://paste.ubuntu.com/26431369/ , how to install  it ?
[16:50] <TJ-> Warren__: how are you starting the GUI?
[16:50] <TJ-> Warren__: using "/usr/bin/startx" ?
[16:50] <Warren__> After I log in on the console? just "startx"
[16:51] <ikonia> why do people still use startx
[16:51] <TJ-> Warren__: ahhh, that's why. Use "sudo systemctl restart lightdm" (or gdm3 on 17.10+)
[16:51] <TJ-> ikonia: because it's all over the web for the last 20 years? :)
[16:51] <Warren__> ok... brb
[16:52] <ikonia> I know but it's randomly typing commands
[16:52] <gopal> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/   https://paste.ubuntu.com/26431369/ , how to install  it ? line number 2390
[16:52] <brainwash> gopal: do you need that firmware?
[16:52] <gopal> yes i think so
[16:53] <brainwash> so, you do have that AMD hardware?
[16:53] <gopal> yes
[16:54] <crandon> Warren__: Which ubuntu version are you running?
[16:54] <brainwash> gopal: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/amdgpu
[16:54] <gopal> how to install it ?
[16:54] <brainwash> gopal: in later ubuntu releases those firmware files will be included in the linux-firmware package
[16:55] <TJ-> gopal: as brainwash points out, you'll need to grab it from upstream because it's not in the Ubuntu linux-firmware packages as yet
[16:55] <gopal> how ? i'm using ubuntu 16.04 lts
[16:55] <brainwash> gopal: you download the files and move them accordingly
[16:55] <gopal> can i do it using a cmd ?
[16:56] <TJ-> gopal: easiest way is "git clone  https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git"
[16:57] <brainwash> cloning? that will take some time, won't it?
[16:57] <gopal> typed it and it is done ?
[16:57] <TJ-> gopal: once it's pulled in "sudo rsync -av linux-firmware/amdgpu/ /lib/firmware/amdgpu/"
[16:58] <gopal> ty
[16:59] <tomreyn> gopal: which cpu doe you have there? you may not actually need this
[16:59] <gopal> i'm using amd r5 m 430
[16:59] <Warren_> back - still looping
[16:59] <brainwash> tomreyn: that's for gpu
[16:59] <tomreyn> brainwash: yes, and the intel gpu is defined by the cpu
[17:00] <gopal> and laptop modal hp ay008tx
[17:01] <nukem> ikonia: very strange... I've got a 17.10 VM on a different (Windows) machine and it's exhibiting very similar behavior
[17:01] <tomreyn> gopal: so intel hd grpahics 520.  and which amd graphics card?
[17:01] <gopal> amd r5 m 430
[17:02] <Warren_> Also, you were suggesting usr/bin/startx instead of just startx? that failed outright, but I might be misremembering what you said (I'm on the webchat, so I don't have a history)
[17:02] <nukem> ikonia: I believe I ran apt update/upgrade on it at some point yesterday and rebooted after.  just lookd at it and it was halted at Network Manager Wait Online
[17:02] <ikonia> nukem: most odd
[17:02] <nukem> ikonia: surely it must be some update they pushed in the last couple days but I can't find anything on reddit or the forums
[17:02] <ikonia> nukem: seems unlikley
[17:05] <TJ-> Warren__: Don't use startx, use "sudo systemctl restart lightdm" (or gdm3 on 17.10+)
[17:06] <TJ-> Warren_: but now you need to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log  and possibly /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log for clues
[17:06] <Warren_> OH! ok.
[17:06] <gopal> how much time git clone is going to take ?
[17:07] <ArtMia> coucou
[17:07] <TJ-> gopal: it's having to fetch all the firmware binaries so a little while first time, subsequent "cd linux-firmware; git pull"  will be fast since they'd only fetch changes
[17:08] <TJ-> gopal: you shouldn't need to do a 'git pull' though unless there are newer firmwares you /need/
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> !fr | ArtMia
[17:08] <gopal> in system monitor it is not using any brandwidth and i'm having 8Mbps brandwidth
[17:10] <Warren_> TJ-: Xorg.0.log here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26431566/   but gdm3 log folder is empty
[17:12] <Warren_> lightdm.log exists, but is blank
[17:13] <Warren_> and time waits for no one... I'm going to have to come back tonight - work calls.
[17:13] <nukem> ikonia: reinstalled fresh...and didn't connect to network so that it would use the default packages from the ISO... kernel 4.10 etc... and yet it's doing it... it has never done this before
[17:14] <nukem> ikonia: and the fact that the VM on this other machine is doing it, using a completely different image... and it's a VM... wtf
[17:15] <TJ-> Warren_: I /think/ the issue is you're using a DE that requires a compositor with hardware acceleration support but the VESA driver is being used which doesn't have that
[17:16] <TJ-> Warren_: solution: ensure you're not using "nomodeset" and/or the correct DRM GPU driver is installed and working
[17:16] <Warren_> "DE"?
[17:17] <Warren_> Not familiar with nomodeset
[17:17] <TJ-> Warren_: Desktop Environment - session - Gnome, Plasma, LXDE, XFCE, etc.
[17:17] <Warren_> k
[17:17] <TJ-> Warren_: check "cat /proc/cmdline" see if there's a modeset option specified
[17:18] <prexor> test
[17:18] <Warren_> cat /proc/cmdline returns BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-25-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[17:18] <TJ-> Warren_: default Unity/Gnome/KDE-Plasma require hardware accelerated support for the compositor, so I suspect that is the issue due to Xorg using the VESA software driver
[17:19] <TJ-> Warren_: cmdline is ok then; no "nomodeset" option; need to identify and install the correct driver for the GPU
[17:19] <TJ-> Warren_: start with "ubuntu-drivers list"
[17:20] <jjz> I want to register a Google Voice number, but failed. If anyone in U.S. or in cannada could help me?
[17:20] <Warren_> TJ-: that just returns "intel-microcode"
[17:21] <StephenLynx> can a mobo just die? :|
[17:21] <StephenLynx> my offboard sound card wasn't getting detected, so I rebooted a few times.
[17:21] <StephenLynx> I moved it to another slot
[17:21] <StephenLynx> and then the mobo stopped giving any sign of life
[17:21] <StephenLynx> not even leds.
[17:21] <TJ-> Warren_: OK, so now "lspci -nn -d::0300"
[17:21] <StephenLynx> that mobo is a little old and its onboard audio has been dead for a while now
[17:21] <StephenLynx> 5 to 7 years old
[17:22] <Warren_> TJ-: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0166] (rev 09)
[17:22] <TJ-> StephenLynx: they sounds like pretty big clues it was dying
[17:22] <StephenLynx> so yes, they just go belly up one day?
[17:22] <TJ-> Warren_: OK, so now do "pastebinit <( lspci -nnvk )"
[17:24] <Warren_> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26431735/
[17:24] <StephenLynx> maybe the PSU was what died?
[17:24] <StephenLynx> fuck i guess ill just get a new machine
[17:24] <StephenLynx> everything but the GPU is old
[17:25] <TJ-> Warren_: well that looks OK, "Kernel modules: i915" for the Intel GPU
[17:26] <aayan> km player not working prperly?
[17:26] <aayan> in ubuntu mate 16
[17:26] <TJ-> StephenLynx: wooa! the Xorg.0.log you showed me WAS USING 'nomodeset': "[   116.596] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-25-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root ro recovery nomodeset"
[17:26] <aayan> installed using wine3
[17:27] <StephenLynx> TJ-, did you get the right guy? :v
[17:27] <TJ-> StephenLynx: but you've just shown a /proc/cmdline without "nomodeset" so "sudo systemctl restart lightdm.service" should work
[17:27] <Warren_> TJ-: I gotta go and come back tonight, I'm late for a meeting. But Kernel modules: i915 returned Kernel: command not found
[17:27] <TJ-> StephenLynx: gah!
[17:27] <StephenLynx> f
[17:27] <TJ-> Warren_: : but you've just shown a /proc/cmdline without "nomodeset" so "sudo systemctl restart lightdm.service" should work
[17:28] <aayan> anyone for help?
[17:28] <ressected> hi
[17:28] <TJ-> StephenLynx: not sure how I got your's to tab-complete there!
[17:28] <Warren_> ok, i'll try that and come back later. thank you for yourr help!
[17:28] <ressected> is there a PPA available in order to get a hard real-time kernel
[17:28] <TJ-> ressected: I've not seen one
[17:30] <ressected> TJ-, thank you
[17:31] <TJ-> ressected: -lolatency images are pretty good
[17:32] <ressected> TJ-, they are but I have a special application :)
[17:34] <TJ-> ressected: I guess you have to apply the -rt patches and build
[17:35] <TJ-> ressected: you could do that in a PPA to make the packages available
[17:35] <ressected> TJ-, that's looking like what I need to do
[17:35] <ressected> TJ-, trying to avoid that if I can
[17:36] <akik> ressected: it was pretty easy. i followed this guide https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#build_your_own_real-time_kernel
[17:37] <TJ-> ressected: should be pretty easy to build on the linux-stable-rt repos with added Ubuntu sauce in a PPA
[17:38] <ressected> akik, TJ-, looks great, thanks
[17:38] <akik> TJ-: what's linux-stable-rt?
[17:39] <TJ-> akik: the mainline repo https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rt/linux-stable-rt.git/
[17:39] <TJ-> akik: there's also the devel repo at https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rt/linux-rt-devel.git/
[17:40] <ressected> cool
[17:43] <akik> TJ-: the patches have been included in there already? (instead of manual patching)
[17:43] <TJ-> akik: that's where the patches come from
[17:43] <akik> TJ-: i used this source https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/
[17:44] <akik> probably the same thing
[17:45] <TJ-> akik: yes, those are the patchsets rather than the repo, makes it harder to work with if you need to track commits, cherry-pick, id regressions, etc
[17:53] <Badegakk> Hi, i have problems. My computer wont shutdown. Try to do sudo halt and it hans at power: halted. So it looks like it does all the shutdown procedure, but it hangs when it acutaly gonna turn of the computer
[17:54] <gopal> after doing this "sudo rsync -av linux-firmware/amdgpu/ /lib/firmware/amdgpu/" how to launch amdgpu?
[17:54] <TJ-> ressected: akik I'm seeing if we can get the -rt mainline kernels built in the kernel-ppa
[17:55] <TJ-> gopal: reboot, or "sudo modprobe amdgpu" if it isn't already loaded
[17:55] <ressected> TJ-, that would be fantastic.  I understand it's a comparatively small segment of users but it would save people a lot of time
[17:56] <aayan> how to find particular installed program in terminal?
[17:56] <gopal> and after sudo modprobe amdgpu ?
[17:56] <ressected> aayan, aptcache search program
[17:57] <rypervenche> Badegakk: I would use the magic sysrq key. One second.
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> Badegakk: when you press F1 for text shutdown, any errors?
[17:57] <ressected> aayan, sorry it's apt-cache
[17:57] <TJ-> ressected: yeah, it ought to be as simple as pointing the build scripts to a different URI
[17:57] <aayan> aptcache in terminal?
[17:58] <aayan> or its a program?
[17:59] <Badegakk> I remove the quite splash in grub, so i can see the whole thing, and theres no errerors
[17:59] <rypervenche> Badegakk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key Scroll down to "Uses" and use REISUB to try to reboot the machine. Or use REISUO if you want to shutdown instead of reboot.
[17:59] <ressected> aayan, example to search for sendmail do "apt-cache search sendmail" or a partial string
[18:00] <ressected> aayan, nm that searches all available packages
[18:01] <Badegakk> reboot works, only suspend and shutdown that dont work. But i will look at the link
[18:01] <gopal> and after sudo modprobe amdgpu , what should i do to launch it ?
[18:03] <TJ-> gopal: that's all you need, it auto-loads if it matches the hardware
[18:03] <gopal> but it didnt
[18:03] <gopal> what should i do ?
[18:04] <TJ-> gopal: what "didn't" happen?
[18:04] <gopal> i cant see amdgpu icon
[18:04] <gopal> i want to setup hybrid gfx
[18:05] <TJ-> gopal: what does "lspci -nnvk -d:0300" report?
[18:05] <gopal> nothing
[18:05] <Badegakk> sysrq is disabled, how do i enable it
[18:05] <TJ-> gopal: OK, try "lspci -nnv | grep VGA"
[18:06] <akik> Badegakk: you could try to add the reboot= kernel parameter (https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt) or the acpi kernel parameters
[18:06] <gopal> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics 520] [8086:1916] (rev 07) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[18:06] <TJ-> Badegakk: what sysrq specifically? it's controlled via sysctl
[18:06] <TJ-> gopal: OK, that's the Intel, can you see the AMD with "lspci -nn" ?
[18:06] <rypervenche> Badegakk: That solution is only if your machine won't shutdown properly and you need it to. If this is something where your shutdown button doesn't work, then you will want to find a different solution.
[18:07] <gopal> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26431977/
[18:08] <TJ-> gopal: ok now show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnvvk -d ::0380 )"
[18:09] <Badegakk> I found out how to enable it, il reboot and see it that will work
[18:09] <gopal> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26431984/
[18:09] <skinux> I wasn't able to stick around a few hours ago. I'm having issues starting MySQL server, it seems I'm missing mysql-server-core, but attempting to install it I have issues. https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/dfab81bbf1183339fcc7e881c156fd2b
[18:10] <TJ-> gopal: ok, so another driver has it: "Kernel driver in use: radeon"
[18:10] <gopal> ?
[18:10] <TJ-> gopal: show us "pastebinit <( lsmod | grep radeon )"
[18:10] <aayan> km player dont work in ubuntu 16
[18:10] <aayan> properly?
[18:11] <gopal> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432001/
[18:12] <TJ-> gopal: OK, that shows some process or other module is using the 'radeon' driver so you cannot unload it and replace it with amdgpu.
[18:13] <gopal> how to remove it ?
[18:13] <TJ-> gopal: I think you'll need to blacklist the radeon driver
[18:14] <gopal> how?
[18:15] <Badegakk> It didnt work
[18:15] <TJ-> gopal: "echo 'blacklist radeon' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-radeon.conf"
[18:15] <TJ-> gopal: once you've done that reboot and test
[18:16] <gopal> ok thx
[18:18] <gopal_> still cant see amdgpu icon
[18:19] <kratos> hey
[18:20] <gopal_> TJ: still cant see amdgpu icon
[18:21] <TJ-> gopal_: check which module is in use by the GPU: "lspci -nnvk -d ::380" - look at the "Kernel in use" line
[18:21] <TJ-> gopal_: "Driver in use" hehehe
[18:21] <gopal_> gopal@gopal-HP-Notebook:~$ lspci -nnvk -d ::380 01:00.0 Display controller [0380]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330 / M430 / R7 M520] [1002:6660] (rev 83) 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330] [103c:81ec] 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 126 	Memory at 90000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] 	Memory at b1300000 (64-bit
[18:22] <gopal_> I/O ports at 4000 [size=256] 	Expansion ROM at b1340000 [disabled] [size=128K] 	Capabilities: <access denied> 	Kernel driver in use: radeon 	Kernel modules: radeon, amdgpu
[18:23] <TJ-> gopal_: seems like your blacklist didn't work
[18:23] <Zombie> Jan 21 00:24:06 auth: Fatal: Unknown userdb driver 'pam'
[18:23] <TJ-> gopal_: what does "grep radeon /etc/modprobe.d/*"
[18:23] <Zombie> I have an issue with DoveCot.
[18:24] <gopal_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432085/
[18:27] <TJ-> gopal_: You rebooted?
[18:27] <gopal_> yes
[18:27] <TJ-> gopal_: You must have something deliberately loading the radeon driver then because tha "blacklist radeon" should prevent it
[18:28] <jerichowasahoax> what's the gpu on this system
[18:28] <misty5> so many things could be sandboxed. Why aren't they by default in most distros? not talking about sandboxing everything. but some packages clearly could have a sandbox* flag
[18:28] <gopal_> can you please take remote access to my pc ?
[18:29] <jerichowasahoax> gopal_: i think your gpu might be too old for amdgpu
[18:29] <TJ-> jerichowasahoax: no, the amdgpu module has an alias that matches the GPU
[18:29] <gopal_> i am using a new laptop , hp ay008tx , i5 6th gen
[18:29] <TJ-> jerichowasahoax: "pci:v00001002d00006660sv*sd*bc*sc*i*"
[18:29] <TJ-> jerichowasahoax: "01:00.0 Display controller [0380]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330 / M430 / R7 M520] [1002:6660]"
[18:29] <suhdood> how to people normally find repositories for programs they want to install only through terminal? I always have to find repositories from articles and how-to install for ubuntu, but i'd rather know where to look specifically. anyone?
[18:32] <TJ-> gopal_: show us "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[18:33] <gopal_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432143/
[18:37] <nukem> is there a way to select the 'additional drivers' from command line instead of the GUI ?
[18:37] <nukem> e.g. CPU microcode and GPU drivers
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> nukem: ubuntu-drivers list
[18:38] <TJ-> gopal_: check if the amdgpu module is in the initial ramdisk file. "lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | grep amdgpu.ko"
[18:39] <nukem> lotuspsychje: it lists a few .. how do you toggle them?
[18:39] <gopal_> lib/modules/4.13.0-26-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu.ko
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> nukem: nukem depending on wich you need to install ubuntu-drivers autoinstall or sudo apt install your-drivername
[18:41] <nukem> lotuspsychje: so all the ones that are listed are actually being used?
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> nukem: no, available
[18:41] <nukem> lotuspsychje: in the GUI, there are radio buttons that allow you to select whether to use a proprietary driver or not, or in case of the microcode, use the 'device' or not
[18:41] <nukem> lotuspsychje: so how do i toggle just one and not all of them?
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> nukem: can you tell us wich are listed?
[18:43] <nukem> intel-microcode, nvidia-384
[18:43] <nukem> but in GUI i've not selected either of those
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> nukem: to check driver: sudo lshw -C video
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> nukem: probably your on nouveau if you didnt install 384
[18:44] <DaddyEric> anyone know of any older games that will run on a P4 computer and ubuntu?
[18:44] <gopal_> czero
[18:45] <nukem> lotuspsychje: yes I am running nouveau, and even booted into nomodeset right now. but i'm trying to figure out, for future (in case GUI is inaccessible) how I can toggle these drivers the same way that is done via the "Additional Drivers" GUI
[18:45] <gopal_> cs 1.6
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> nukem: well toggle in your case, is installing nvidia-384 or stay on nouveau
[18:45] <gopal_> output is :  lib/modules/4.13.0-26-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu.ko
[18:46] <nukem> lotuspsychje: how about in case of the intel-microcode?  right now the GUI has selected "do not use this device"
[18:46] <TJ-> gopal_: OK, so that's available early. did you rebuild the initrd.img after copying the amdgpu firmware files into place? If not, do "sudo update-initramfs -u" then try another reboot
[18:47] <gopal_> ok trying
[18:47] <nukem> lotuspsychje: is toggling via the GUI essentially the same as installing 'nvidia-384' and 'intel-microcode' via apt-get ?
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> nukem: not sure if autoinstall will do the intel one, perhaps try sudo apt install intel-microcode
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> nukem: if you get black screen still on nvidia-384, to go back to nouveau: sudo apt purge nvidia*
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> nukem: wich ubuntu version are you on by the way?
[18:49] <nukem> 16.04.3 but been having some bizarre issues lately... just did a fresh reinstall but still getting same issues i was having before
[18:49] <nukem> hard to explain
[18:49] <nukem> various hangups during boot
[18:49] <nukem> but hard to narrow down
[18:49] <TJ-> nukem: hardware related?
[18:50] <nukem> TJ-: I thought maybe, resulting from some update, but I get the same issues on a VM (on a Windows host) using 17.10.1
[18:50] <TJ-> nukem: has any Linux install ever worked correctly on the hardware?
[18:50] <gopal> when my laptop started i saw something amd like that , but still i cant see amdgpu icon
[18:50] <nukem> TJ-: this one was working fairly well up until routing update last night.. but i think it may all go back to the damn GPU
[18:50] <TJ-> nukem: same issues in a VM ? is that using the same installation media?
[18:50] <nukem> TJ-: nope different ISO.. 16.04.3 on this laptop, 17.10.1 on the VM
[18:51] <nukem> TJ-: and using `nomodeset` on the VM still won't get me through to the DE, whereas it does work on my laptop
[18:51] <TJ-> gopal: check the driver in use by the hardware again: "lspci -nnk -d::0380 | grep 'driver in use'  "
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> nukem: can you recall what packages got updated?
[18:51] <nukem> lotuspsychje: systemd, perhaps lvm (which I am using), and some other fairly core ones, iirc
[18:52] <TJ-> nukem: seems strange you're seeing issues in a VM too
[18:52] <nukem> TJ-: I did install the Virtualbox guest additions on this VM so maybe that's causing it.. uninstalling now.. just strange that they're both exhibiting similar behavior
[18:52] <gopal> nothing
[18:52] <gopal> no output
[18:52] <TJ-> gopal: I'm at a loss then; you've blacklisted the radeon driver but it is still being loaded rather than the amdgpu driver
[18:53] <TJ-> gopal: wooa, "no output" ?
[18:53] <gopal> yes
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> gopal: did you check sudo lshw -C video behind driver= ?
[18:53] <TJ-> gopal: that's not right. show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnvk -d::380 )"
[18:53] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: that's what we're doing
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> kk
[18:54] <gopal> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432284/
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> nukem: when you say bizarre issues, what are we talking about?
[18:54] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: lspci shows that both radeon and amdgpu are suitable, we've blacklisted radeon, but something is still loading it very early
[18:55] <nukem> lotuspsychje: seemingly network connectivity issues causing boot to hang, and then it pops up saying several messages like INFO:  task kworker blocked for more than 120 seconds
[18:55] <nukem> lotuspsychje: both machines have had it
[18:55] <TJ-> gopal: OH That's good news in a way, 'radeon' hasn't been loaded :)  ... strange though, amdgpu hasn't loaded instead. Try "sudo modprobe amdgpu"
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> nukem: your on plasma?
[18:56] <nukem> lotuspsychje: the VM is a 17.10.1 GNOME guest
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> kk
[18:56] <nukem> lotuspsychje: the laptop is 16.04.3 unity
[18:56] <TJ-> nukem: I saw your imagur photo earlier; it was task systemd:1 being stuck, which is pretty strange
[18:56] <gopal> done
[18:56] <gopal> but no output
[18:56] <nukem> TJ-: yeah I don't think I saw that one again
[18:57] <TJ-> gopal: check the driver again: "lspci -nnk -d::0380 | grep 'driver in use'  "
[18:57] <gopal> no output
[18:57] <TJ-> gopal: so it failed. Let's check the kernel log. "pastebinit <( dmesg | tail -n 150 )"
[18:58] <nukem> TJ-: the VM resolution is so small it's too much a PITA to be able to read logs.. tried uninstalling virtualbox-guest-additions-x11 .. maybe that's the issue
[18:58] <nukem> it's rebooting
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> nukem: wich kernel in use?
[18:58] <nukem> lotuspsychje: on laptop i've tried 4.13 and 4.10
[18:58] <nukem> lotuspsychje: just reinstalled again, but didn't connect to network, to get base 16.04.3 ... using nomodeset seems to boot ok
[18:59] <gopal> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432308/
[18:59] <nukem> lotuspsychje: so now i'm going to attempt updating again.. that's why i was asking earlier about how to toggle the microcode/GPU driver via CLI... since sometimes x11 fails to start
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> nukem: relevant? https://askubuntu.com/questions/965856/kworker-blocked-for-more-than-120-seconds-ubuntu-17-10
[18:59] <TJ-> nukem: this was the photo I looked at earlier https://imgur.com/61yeBqO
[18:59] <nukem> lotuspsychje: was just looking at that actually.  using a network cable shouldn't make a diff since the VM isn't simulating wifi
[19:00] <nukem> lotuspsychje: and i tried rebooting w/ network cable plugged in on laptop. didn't do anything
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> nukem: did you disable wifi during eth test?
[19:01] <TJ-> gopal: there's something wrong with your system I wonder if amdgpu has been blacklisted. I tried loading the module here and I see it reported
[19:01] <nukem> lotuspsychje: as far as i know, i was able to disable it
[19:02] <nukem> lotuspsychje: but the laptop is presently working (with nomodeset)
[19:02] <nukem> lotuspsychje: I think wifi's disabled.. lemme try removing nomodeset and see what happens
[19:02] <gopal> but it works with windows10
[19:02] <TJ-> gopal: let's check "pastebinit <( grep amdgpu /etc/modprobe.d/* )"
[19:02] <TJ-> gopal: Windows isn't Linux
[19:02] <gopal> no output
[19:02] <nukem> lotuspsychje: the VM is working now after removing that package... maybe it's just two coincidental video-related issues (on laptop and VM) that appear to exhibit the same symptoms
[19:03] <TJ-> gopal: how about "lsmod | grep amdgpu" ?
[19:03] <nukem> lotuspsychje: VM is also in nomodeset right now. i'll try taking it away from both VM and laptop
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> nukem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724317
[19:03] <gopal> gopal@gopal-HP-Notebook:~$ lsmod | grep amdgpu amdgpu               2019328  0 ttm                    94208  1 amdgpu i2c_algo_bit           16384  2 amdgpu,i915 drm_kms_helper        167936  2 amdgpu,i915 drm                   356352  10 amdgpu,i915,ttm,drm_kms_helper
[19:03] <TJ-> nukem: well, nomodeset will break things since that stops the kernel mode-setting code from working
[19:04] <TJ-> gopal: so it's loaded but not used by your hardware? :s yet it claims it supports it. I wonder if you have to do the switchover from Intel to AMD to have it grab the GPU
[19:05] <TJ-> Anyone here familiar with working with AMDGPU hybrid ?
[19:06] <gopal> can i switch off amd and use intel only to save power ?
[19:06] <nukem> lotuspsychje: saw that.. but that's for a newer kernel than mine, I think, and i've been having this problem without ever using the nvidia driver
[19:06] <nukem> lotuspsychje: ok I removed nomodeset but used LAN cable and laptop boots to tty
[19:06] <TJ-> gopal: I don't know; it seems like it isn't being used right now anyhow
[19:06] <nukem> TJ-:  what does nomodeset do besides for prohibit the GPU driver from loading?
[19:07] <TJ-> nukem: it doesn't always prevent the driver loading, it stops the kernel from changing video modes though
[19:07] <nukem> TJ-: any harm in using it all the time, though? it just affects video, nothing else right?
[19:07] <gopal> but still i'm getting less battery backup and my laptop takes around 120 sec to load desktop
[19:07] <TJ-> nukem: sometimes a bad driver doing a modeswitch leaves you with a blank screen
[19:08] <TJ-> gopal: well that's something else entirely
[19:08] <TJ-> gopal: is it Ubuntu 16.04 Xenial?
[19:08] <gopal> yes
[19:09] <TJ-> gopal: did you install xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 ? check with "apt list --installed xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 "
[19:10] <gopal> xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04/xenial-updates,now 1:7.7+16ubuntu3~16.04.1 amd64 [installed]
[19:10] <TJ-> gopal: good, so everything recent is installed
[19:11] <gopal> ?
[19:11] <TJ-> gopal: You need an AMDGPU expert now; I've checked everything I can think of: driver supports GPU, radeon is blacklisted, amdgpu driver is loaded but isn't managing the GPU
[19:11] <gopal> and how i can find him?
[19:12] <TJ-> gopal: let's try one last thing: "sudo modprobe -vr amdgpu && sudo modprobe -v amdgpu"
[19:12] <gopal> rmmod amdgpu rmmod ttm insmod /lib/modules/4.13.0-26-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm.ko  insmod /lib/modules/4.13.0-26-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu.ko
[19:12] <TJ-> gopal: that is unloaded and reloading the amdgpu module to see if it'll bind to the GPU
[19:13] <TJ-> gopal: check the driver again: "lspci -nnk -d::0380 | grep 'driver in use'  "
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> nukem: try a few tests, install nvidia driver, try a different kernel?
[19:13] <nukem> lotuspsychje TJ- so while I was installing the nvidia driver from tty, started getting the "INFO: task kworker blocked for more than 120 seconds" message...
[19:13] <gopal> no output
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> nukem: yikes
[19:13] <nukem> lotuspsychje: will post a pic
[19:13] <TJ-> gopal: OK, so something weird I cannot understand.
[19:14] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: this was nukem's photo from earlier: https://imgur.com/61yeBqO
[19:14] <gopal> can you please tell me what should i say to someone ? so he can understand my problem easily
[19:16] <SimonNL> TJ-: gopal there is #amdgpu on this server
[19:16] <nukem> lotuspsychje TJ- actually I think those kworker messages have popped up at random.  happened a bit earlier after trying to turn off bluetooth
[19:16] <TJ-> gopal: "GPU supported by amdgpu driver (confirmed by lspci and the modalias). radeon driver blacklisted. Loading amdgpu it does not bind to the GPU."
[19:16] <nukem> 2 pics coming
[19:17] <udn> hi all
[19:17] <nukem> lotuspsychje TJ- https://imgur.com/oSi8N7H https://imgur.com/FeEmN4p
[19:17] <TJ-> SimonNL: thank you! check with the folks in that channel gopal
[19:17] <udn> do you know where i can found a firefox quantum developer ppa?
[19:18] <udn> i was tested with umake, but not global menu and icon
[19:18] <nukem> lotuspsychje TJ- this is a fresh install.  previous installation was working fine before last night when I ran an update
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> udn: we dont support external ppa adding, but you can try #firefox
[19:18] <udn> whanks
[19:18] <udn> thanks
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | udn
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> udn: usually we reccomend package versions, meant for the specific ubuntu version
[19:19] <TJ-> nukem: is the laptop booting whilst AC is connected and charging?
[19:19] <nukem> TJ-: yeah
[19:19] <nukem> TJ-: and afaict, Wifi is disabled (per that other bug post) and just have LAN cable connected
[19:20] <TJ-> nukem: try booting it with AC out :)
[19:21] <nukem> TJ-: well it says reboot is required (since i installed the nvidia driver). gonna try that first
[19:21] <gopal> should i install 17.4?
[19:21] <nukem> gopal: no it's no longer supported
[19:21] <SimonNL> TJ-: gopal checking on amd.com I don't think the card is compatible with amdgpupro
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> gopal: amdgpu is a no-go 17.10
[19:23] <udn> thank you
[19:23] <Retromingent> Anyone else run into a login loop with ubuntu 17.10 running the latest Nvidia drivers (384)?
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> Retromingent: there are issues with nvidia and wayland
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> Retromingent: have you tested the xorg session?
[19:24] <nukem> Retromingent: I think I had actually, before going back to 16.04.3
[19:24] <nukem> Retromingent: prob need to boot nomodeset or boot into recovery and replace the drivers
[19:25] <Retromingent> Iotuspsychje: no I haven't.  Just with Wayland.
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> Retromingent: can you test plz?
[19:25] <gopal> how can i turn off amd and use intel only?
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> Retromingent: nouveau/xorg should work
[19:25] <TJ-> gopal: can you "pastebinit  /var/log/gpu-manager.log" please
[19:26] <TJ-> gopal: you'd disable AMD in the firmware's setup at boot-time
[19:26] <gopal> no folder
[19:27] <Retromingent>  lotuspsychje: thanks
[19:27] <gopal> cant find it
[19:27] <Bashing-om> gopal: Watvhing this - no /var/log/gpu-manager.log present will be a 1st for me .. check again ?
[19:28] <TJ-> gopal: how about "which gpu-manager"
[19:29] <gopal> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432557/
[19:32] <nukem> TJ- lotuspsychje well the laptop works with the nvidia drivers while still running the ISO packages.. running update now..
[19:32] <Zombie> Jan 21 00:24:06 auth: Fatal: Unknown userdb driver 'pam'
[19:32] <Zombie> I have an issue with DoveCot. I need it to authenticate Straight Kerberos.
[19:32] <nukem> TJ- lotuspsychje perhaps I had this issue before but wasn't wise enough to delete 'quiet splash' from boot menu so didn't realize that the same thing was going on under the hood.. but ultimately it seems all the problems i've had on this machine so far stem from the nvidia GPU
[19:34] <skinux> What package has mysqld_safe?
[19:35] <tomreyn> skinux: dpkg -S $(which mysqld_safe)
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> SimonNL: did you find anything usefull?
[19:37] <tomreyn> skinux: this is assuming you already have it installed
[19:38] <nolifeboy> hey ilfamtomas
[19:38] <skinux> which mysqld_safe returns nothing, so dpkg doesn't get enough parameters.
[19:38] <nolifeboy> hi seb
[19:39] <TJ-> gopal: would you be prepared to install the latest mainline kernel as a test to see if the very latest code works ?
[19:39] <tomreyn> skinux: do you know where it is, though?
[19:40] <gopal> how?
[19:40] <tomreyn> skinux: how did you run into "mysqld_safe" in the first place?
[19:41] <TJ-> gopal: I've a script that will install the Ubuntu kernel-team's builds automically. do "wget http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/wget_kernel_mainline.sh" then "chmod +x wget_kernel_mainline.sh" then "./wget_kernel_mainline.sh"
[19:41] <skinux> Well, I was doing "sudo service mysql start", which apparently tries to start mysqld_safe, which somehow isn't installed.
[19:41] <petttter> this site won't let me enter my name :)
[19:42] <SimonNL> lotuspsychje: don't understand the question. did you think I was having the problem ?
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> petttter: this site?
[19:42] <petttter> I was here last night but now I have a new problem
[19:42] <petttter> 'this site' - yeah...or freenode?
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> SimonNL: no, you were checking for gopal amdgpu on amd?
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> petttter: register or identify problems?
[19:43] <gopal> downloading.............
[19:43] <petttter> my vpn stopped working - the app....and now I found out it will only work on one session
[19:43] <petttter> lotuspsychje, I guess so
[19:43] <SimonNL> Ah okay. As I said I don't think his card is on the capability list
[19:43] <SimonNL> lotuspsychje: ^
[19:44] <petttter> how do i register?
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> !register | petttter
[19:44] <petttter> I am hoping someone can inform me about the ubuntu sessions in ubuntu 17.10
[19:44] <petttter> because, they don't make sense to me
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> petttter: ask your question
[19:45] <SimonNL> /msg nickserv help register petttter
[19:45] <petttter> okay
[19:46] <petttter> my vpn application will only work with 'ubuntu xorg'
[19:46] <petttter> i have these choices for login session:  ubuntu xorg, gnome xorg, gnome classic and
[19:46] <Borw3> I am on Kubuntu 16.04.3 Kernel 4.13.x, and my wifi is working but signal is low, what can I do?
[19:47] <petttter> cinnamon (software rendering), cinnamon - I installed the cinnamon desktop environ. so I have those latter two now?
[19:47] <petttter> where is ubuntu w/ wayland?  I am confused
[19:47] <Warren_> TJ-: I'm back, and the systemctl restart gdm3 seems to have worked. Thank you for your help!
[19:47] <petttter> anyway, my vpn app will only work in ubuntu xorg :-/
[19:48] <Warren_> Now, to go find an IRC client that doesn't freeze up on me....
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> !info hexchat | Warren_
[19:49] <petttter> I'm using hexchat...  I haven't had a freeze up yet
[19:49] <petttter> what computer do you have?  are you sure it's hexchat at fault?
[19:50] <TJ-> Warren_: glad we got person sorted out :)
[19:50] <gopal> downloading.............
[19:50] <Warren_> I'm not sure that it's actually hexchat's fault
[19:50] <Warren_> TJ-: me too!
[19:50] <petttter> did anyone understand my session options?  is it the same for everyone?
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> petttter: graphics card chipset?
[19:50] <petttter> isn't there supposed to be a wayland server option?
[19:51] <petttter> nvidia gtx 750
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> petttter: by default ubuntu 17.10 is using wayland by default, unless you have nvidia
[19:51] <Warren_> Actually, the login loop and the hexchat freezing started about the same time... I wonder if THOSE are related...
[19:52] <petttter> but, when I log in, I have to choose one of the selections - none indicate using wayland?
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> petttter: thats why you dont have the ubuntu(wayland) in your list
[19:52] <Warren_> but I have a Lenovo ThinkPad E531 running 17.10
[19:52] <petttter> huh?
[19:52] <petttter> lotuspsychje, that makes no sense
[19:52] <petttter> wayland is the default but you can't use it?
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> petttter: not on nvidia,
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> petttter: xorg/nouveau should work
[19:53] <petttter> not on nvidia?
[19:53] <petttter> I upgraded the graphics driver - enabled the ppa for that....
[19:54] <petttter> the current driver is nvidia but the higher versions indicate 'open source' which is weird
[19:54] <petttter> would those driver versions allow use of wayland?
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> petttter: if you using and nvidia- driver wayland is a no-go
[19:54] <petttter> I'm talking about ver. 387 and 390
[19:54] <akik> petttter: do you have openvpn? i think it requires root access and you need one xhost command before running it
[19:54] <petttter> akik, I think so but I am using the vpn's application software
[19:55] <petttter> I can connect using openvpn but I would have to enter the password every time manually
[19:55] <hotbobby> with an encrypted home directory, how can i fix my path for ~/bin/
[19:55] <ikonia>   what does encryption have to do with your path
[19:55] <petttter> lotuspsychje, do you know what I'm talking about? :)
[19:56] <hotbobby> once i mount my encrypted home directory, ikonia , it doesnt recognize my private bin dir
[19:56] <hotbobby> i need to run that path command after mounting, not before
[19:56] <petttter> that sounds familiar that it doesn't work with the proprietary nvidia driver - is that what you're saying?
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> petttter: correct
[19:56] <petttter> I don't know if I should install a newer driver version though....:)
[19:56] <gopal> tJ-: Error: exit with code 1
[19:57] <ikonia> hotbobby: what do you mean doesn't recognise it
[19:57] <petttter> lotuspsychje, thanks.... have you heard anything about using version 387?
[19:57] <gopal> TJ- : Error: exit with code 1
[19:57] <ikonia> the path won't differ unless you tell it to be different
[19:57] <ikonia> and why do you need to mount your home directory, it should auto mount
[19:57] <petttter> lotuspsychje, I thought it was weird that it indicated that it was opensource.... in the drivers section of the software updates app
[19:58] <hotbobby> ikonia: i ssh into a user with an encrypted home dir. i mount my home dir. in this state i cannot access programs in my private bin folder without typing ~/bin/appname
[19:58] <gopal>     sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com <KEYID> how yo solve it ?
[19:58] <ikonia> hotbobby: why do you need to mount your home directory
[19:58] <ikonia> hotbobby: it should already be mounted
[19:58] <hotbobby> ikonia: because it is encrypted
[19:58] <ikonia> hotbobby: right, and it should decrypt at boot
[19:59] <goyal> hello
[19:59] <gopal> TJ ?
[19:59] <hotbobby> ikonia: it doesnt decrypt automatically when no local users are logged in, and someone logs in over ssh
[19:59] <ikonia> hotbobby: then how do you expect it to parse the bashrc in your home directory
[19:59] <ikonia> this is a fault of your design
[20:00] <goyal> he
[20:00] <goyal> he
[20:00] <goyal> anyone?
[20:00] <hotbobby> ikonia: default ubuntu 16.04.3 setup. all i did was make a user and add my key
[20:00] <ikonia> goyal: anyone what ?
[20:00] <ikonia> hotbobby: right, you're using it incorrectly for your needs
[20:01] <ikonia> hotbobby: if that is your need, then you've selected a bad encyrption method
[20:01] <goyal> what it is for?
[20:01] <ikonia> goyal: what is what for ?
[20:01] <goyal> this platform?
[20:01] <TJ-> gopal: hang on, checking
[20:01] <hotbobby> ikonia: can you point me toward a better method for encrypted home directories for remote users
[20:01] <petttter> anyway, why doesn't my vpn app work with gnome/xorg session?
[20:01] <petttter> how come it doesn't work at all?
[20:01] <gopal> ok
[20:02] <ikonia> hotbobby: don't use encrypted home devices that require a manual decrypt
[20:02] <petttter> and what's the difference between ubuntu/xorg and gnome/xorg?
[20:02] <_jd> Hi All, I need to install celery 4 (Python celery) in Ubuntu. I know I can do this using pip, but I was wondering if I can somehow achieve this through package manager?
[20:02] <ikonia> hotbobby: use FDE and let the disk decrypt at boot
[20:02] <TJ-> gopal: I think it reported to you "ERROR: failed to verify the CHECKSUM signature" is that correct?
[20:02] <gopal> yes
[20:02] <hotbobby> ikonia: it's so obvious.... thank you
[20:02] <ikonia> no problem
[20:03] <TJ-> gopal: ok, you just need to install the kernel-team's certificate: "sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com 17C622B0"
[20:03] <goyal> heu
[20:03] <goyal> fasf
[20:03] <TJ-> gopal: then re-run the script "./wget_kernel_mainline.sh" and it'll install the downloaded files
[20:04] <hotbobby> can anyone tell me how to ufw allow anything from <IP_ADDRESS>/24?
[20:04] <Warren_> Purged and reinstalled HexChat, still freezing up when I enter a specific room. Wondering if they're running a bot that's messing up something?
[20:04] <petttter> Warren_, what else is running when you are using hexchat?
[20:05] <Warren_> Chrome, Transmission, and the OS/GUI
[20:05] <petttter> no one can answer my question? :(
[20:05] <petttter> Warren_, what computer do you have?
[20:05] <tatertots> petttter: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[20:05] <Warren_> I have a Lenovo ThinkPad E531 running 17.10
[20:05] <lotuspsychje> petttter: ubuntu 17.10 is gnome by default
[20:05] <gopal>  Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/kbl_guc_ver9_14.bin for module i915 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/bxt_guc_ver8_7.bin for module i915
[20:06] <petttter> Warren_, if you can, I would stop Transmission and reduce the number of tabs on Chrome and see if it makes a difference at all
[20:06] <goyal> he
[20:06] <petttter> tatertots, yes
[20:06] <goyal> fsdf
[20:06] <tatertots> petttter: open terminal
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> goyal: please stop that
[20:06] <tatertots> petttter: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[20:06] <tatertots> petttter: let me know when done
[20:06] <petttter> tatertots, I was here last night :)
[20:07] <petttter> tatertots, it's installed :)
[20:07] <tatertots> petttter: is this you? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26427404/
[20:07] <goyal> okay
[20:07] <Warren_> nope
[20:07] <petttter> tatertots, yeppers :)
[20:08] <gopal> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432842/
[20:08] <petttter> sorry, I need to register a name...but, it's close :)
[20:08] <tatertots> petttter: i remember some from last night...not much...memory utilization is higher than normal these days
[20:09] <petttter> tatertots, no problem... just ask me what you would like me to do
[20:09] <TJ-> gopal: Oh grrr! That's the  out-of-tree kernel driver you've got for the Broadcom Wifi not building for the latest kernel! hang on again...!
[20:10] <petttter> tatertots, is there any difference between the ubuntu on xorg and gnome on xorg sessions for log in?
[20:10] <gopal> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432853/
[20:10] <tatertots> petttter: in terminal> journalctl -p 3|pastebinit
[20:10] <tatertots> petttter: share url/link here
[20:11] <petttter> tatertots, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432859/
[20:11] <TJ-> gopal: "sudo dkms remove -m bcmwl -v <IP_ADDRESS>1+bdcom -k 4.15.0-041500rc8-generic"
[20:12] <gopal> Error! There is no instance of bcmwl <IP_ADDRESS>1+bdcom for kernel 4.15.0-041500rc8-generic (x86_64) located in the DKMS tree.
[20:12] <goyal> i am trying to sniff chat by msgsnarf but its not happening.
[20:13] <tatertots> petttter: in terminal> journalctl -p 4|pastebinit
[20:13] <TJ-> gopal: Grrr! show me "pastebinit <( ls /usr/src/ )"
[20:14] <gopal> bcmwl-<IP_ADDRESS>1+bdcom         linux-headers-4.13.0-26-generic linux-headers-4.10.0-28          linux-headers-4.15.0-041500rc8 linux-headers-4.10.0-28-generic  linux-headers-4.15.0-041500rc8-generic linux-headers-4.13.0-26
[20:14] <petttter> tatertots:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/26432876/
[20:15] <TJ-> gopal: OK, so I got the version for bcmwl correct!
[20:16] <TJ-> gopal: let's see if this will sort it out "sudo apt-get -f install"
[20:16] <gopal> done
[20:16] <gopal> now?
[20:17] <TJ-> gopal: Phew!!! Time for a celebratory drink :D
[20:17] <SimonNL> [20:17] <TJ-> gopal: try a reboot into the new kernel, see if amdgpu takes on the GPU
[20:17] <gopal> :)
[20:17] <gopal> restart?
[20:17] <TJ-> gopal: correct
[20:18] <privacy404> hi
[20:18] <privacy404> anybody?
[20:19] <privacy404> hey?
[20:19] <privacy404> anybody wanna talk
[20:19] <TJ-> everyone is keeping their privacy :p
[20:19] <Warren_> Ok, asked people in the particular chatroom (via web based client), and it turns out they've been seeing this problem since Jan 1st, off and on. Some of them suspect ISP shenanigans, but a single IRC chatroom seems like small beans for ISP control freaks.
[20:19] <cortexman>  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libserf-1.so.1 is looking for symbols at link time that are defined in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.a instead of libssl.so
[20:19] <compdoc> I gave up mine long ago
[20:20] <tatertots> petttter: what symptom(s) are you wanting to address at the present time?
[20:20] <goyal> hutiyo