[00:06] <knome> bluesabre, "Misc." is a crappy tab name fyi
[00:06] <elfy> knome btw - that final planet merge got done - so all finished now
[00:06] <knome> \o/
[00:07] <elfy> telling me ...
[00:08] <elfy> I read all but 400 lines of that ;)
[00:08] <knome> hehe
[00:08] <knome> congrats
[00:08] <knome> i hope it was a good reading....
[00:08] <elfy> awesome
[00:08] <elfy> but I'd only do it the once - no need to revisit :)
[00:08] <bluesabre> knome: not a project I created :)
[00:09] <knome> bluesabre, still..
[00:09] <ochosi> elfy: just installed the latest update for indicator-sound, pavucontrol still opens...
[00:09] <ochosi> with 12.10.2+15.04.20150219.1-0ubuntu1
[00:10] <bluesabre> knome: but yeah, didn't have enough time to tweak the interface
[00:10] <bluesabre> seeing as how we landed it mere hours before FF
[00:10] <bluesabre> :)
[00:10] <knome> ;)
[00:10] <elfy> ochosi: oh
[00:10] <elfy> really going to have to do that clean install ...
[00:11] <ochosi> did you accidentally uninstall pavucontrol maybe? :)
[00:11] <elfy> nope
[00:11] <elfy> apart from anything it opened before I updated :)
[00:11] <knome> bluesabre, define "User's" in multihead setup?
[00:11] <ochosi> Misc. is mostly a11y
[00:12]  * bluesabre shrugs
[00:12]  * ochosi has no clue either
[00:12] <ochosi> gotta love that
[00:12] <knome> "user is"?
[00:12] <knome> :P
[00:13] <bluesabre> Accepting string patches through the weekend for 1.1.1
[00:13] <ochosi> elfy: so what version do you have?
[00:13] <elfy> change front page of x.org to point to trusty.2 ?
[00:14] <elfy> ochosi: 12.10.2+15.04.20150219.1-0ubuntu1
[00:14] <elfy> same :(
[00:14] <ochosi> k
[00:14] <ochosi> so maybe do that clean install and then let's revisit this thing
[00:14] <elfy> knome: so shall I change front page ?
[00:14] <elfy> points at .1 currently
[00:14] <knome> elfy, sure
[00:15] <elfy> umm
[00:15] <elfy> broken it :(
[00:16] <elfy> sorry
[00:16] <knome> i KNEW it!
[00:16] <ochosi> lol, what's broken now?
[00:16] <knome> ochosi, our website frontpage
[00:17] <ochosi> elfy: so first you break indicator-sound and now this??!
[00:17] <ochosi> :D
[00:17] <elfy> ok - so why if I restore previous it's still :|
[00:17] <knome> elfy, release the lock, i'll fix it
[00:17] <elfy> should be released
[00:17] <knome> yep
[00:17] <elfy> then I would love to know how it broke :)
[00:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: quick question, is the latest greybird already uploaded?
[00:18] <knome> elfy, done
[00:18] <knome> elfy, the last "why" --> caching
[00:18] <elfy> ochosi: re clean install - yea - I'll do that tomorrow am
[00:18] <ochosi> elfy: just be a scientist and try again!
[00:18] <knome> elfy, the previous... you probably just closed a tag you shouldn't have
[00:19] <elfy> ochosi: the last time I was a scientist I spent 3 months analysing dirt for my dissertation - unsurprisingly - never again :D
[00:19] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'm referring to the one with the sassy code-name...
[00:19] <ochosi> elfy: wow, that was a super-fast dissertation!
[00:19] <elfy> knome: I assumed so - but then it all just went blank in my head :D
[00:19]  * ochosi wonders why it takes him so long...
[00:20] <knome> i'm sure elfy just acknowledged it was all just some crap
[00:20] <knome> see what i did there?
[00:20] <knome> :)
[00:20] <elfy> ochosi: I wish - that was just the bit in the lab and was just BSc too
[00:20] <elfy> knome: :)
[00:20] <bluesabre> ochosi: yes
[00:20] <ochosi> nice
[00:20] <ochosi> another workitem done then
[00:20] <bluesabre> !info shimmer-themes vivid
[00:20] <bluesabre> or something like that
[00:21] <ochosi> yeah, but that version doesn't tell me anything
[00:21] <ochosi> it doesn't reflect greybird's
[00:21] <bluesabre> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/s/shimmer-themes/shimmer-themes_1.9.4-0ubuntu1/changelog
[00:21] <ochosi> reading changelogs is booooring
[00:21] <bluesabre> x.x
[00:21] <Unit193> It is?
[00:23] <elfy> hi PaulW2U - thanks for testing what you did :)
[00:28] <Unit193> bluesabre: Do we want thunar .5?
[00:29] <bluesabre> Unit193: bugfixes are good I think
[00:29] <knome> bluesabre, ok, finnish done for lggs
[00:29] <Unit193> NEWS indicates that's all it is.
[00:29] <bluesabre> ideally an easy package then
[00:29] <bluesabre> you want it?
[00:30] <knome> something else that needs translations?
[00:30] <Unit193> Except, don't we have to list all LP bugs? :P
[00:30] <Unit193> knome: My script! :P
[00:30]  * Unit193 hides.
[00:30] <knome> Unit193, .po?
[00:30] <knome> Unit193, or .pot, or rosetta/transifex link
[00:31] <bluesabre> Unit193: I usually look around a little bit for obvious ones, then forget to include them
[00:31] <knome> bluesabre, any idea on translating ThisEntry for menulibre?
[00:32] <Unit193> knome: Heh, honestly I was going to wait until I added 'forecasts' before pinging, but it's on transifex yes.  I'll get the link.
[00:32] <bluesabre> knome: I had wanted to drop it, but menulibre development didn't make it this time around
[00:32] <knome> bluesabre, ok, i'll keep it untranslated
[00:32] <knome> it will just confuse users more if it's translated
[00:33] <knome> there isn't really a good translation for "Entry" as is, needs context
[00:33] <bluesabre> fun
[00:34] <Unit193> * New upstream development bugfix release.   a-ok? :P
[00:35] <bluesabre> bravo
[00:37] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes/Development
[00:37] <knome> should we and lggs there?
[00:39] <bluesabre> yes
[00:39] <knome> used by and essential for xubuntu?
[00:40] <bluesabre> yes
[00:40] <bluesabre> well, not essential, but now in the seed
[00:40] <bluesabre> ;)
[00:41] <knome> done
[00:42] <Unit193> Essential == core?
[00:42]  * Unit193 hides.
[00:42]  * knome shrugs
[00:42]  * bluesabre sits
[00:42]  * ochosi yawns
[00:43]  * elfy belches
[00:44]  * ochosi sneaks off to bed
[00:45]  * knome trips ochosi
[00:45]  * ochosi activates his spider-senses and doesn't fall!
[00:45] <knome> so will you float all night?
[00:45] <knome> like a div?
[00:45] <knome> <:
[00:46]  * ochosi cuddles up in a web where he can't hear knome's lame webdev jokes
[00:46] <elfy> night ochosi :)
[00:46] <knome> web... webdev... i see what you did there
[00:50] <bluesabre> more like
[00:50] <bluesabre> webdiv
[00:50] <bluesabre> <.<
[00:50] <bluesabre> >,>
[00:50] <Unit193> bluesabre: We still using mkdir -p m4 as the "canonical" fix to that problem?
[00:52] <knome> bluesabre, neither of those were valid tags...
[00:53] <elfy> picky
[00:53] <bluesabre> <div class="sean" style="display:none"> :-P </div>
[00:54] <knome> heh
[00:54] <knome> .sean { display: block !important; }
[00:54] <bluesabre> jerk
[00:54] <elfy> chicken
[00:54] <knome> beef
[00:54] <bluesabre> bok bok
[00:56] <knome> bluesabre, more seriously... do you think you would be up for creating a simple gui for sgt-puzzles, to avoid the huge list of items in the menu
[00:56] <knome> the gui would practically work as a launcher
[00:56] <elfy> after people have had a chance to decide if we even want that
[00:56] <elfy> :p
[00:57] <bluesabre> knome: yeah, I could probably do that at some point
[00:57] <knome> well, whether we want that or not...
[00:57] <knome> great :)
[00:57] <elfy> I actually think it would be a good choice seriously
[00:57] <knome> yep
[00:57] <knome> i have my favorites there too
[00:57] <elfy> lol
[00:57] <knome> and they would be easy enough to highlight on the installer slideshow
[00:57] <knome> even one per cycle...
[00:58] <elfy> going to be a long slideshow with one for the poll too :)
[00:58] <knome> we'll probably drop a few slides from the current ones, so...
[00:58] <elfy> talking of which - do you want to set some time aside for us to look at that?
[00:59] <knome> probably should set up a 3-way with slickymaster
[00:59] <knome> ;)
[00:59] <elfy> frankly I think that anything with a menu option should be polled
[00:59] <elfy> yea - probably would be best, do the whole kit and kaboodle in one shot
[00:59] <knome> a bit radical to my taste, but i see the point :D
[01:00] <elfy> heh
[01:00] <knome> but, let's wait until we are all around
[01:00] <knome> that seems to happen much lately
[01:00] <knome> we can even do an impromptu sprint
[01:00] <elfy> mmm
[01:01] <elfy> true enough
[01:01] <knome> and as always, i have nothing against if you and slimy decide to work on something
[01:01] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes, I think so
[01:01] <elfy> lol - so I thought the release shout had gone out - apparently no
[01:01] <knome> just let me know what kind of technical stuff you need :)
[01:01] <elfy> knome: yep
[01:01] <knome> elfy, oops.
[01:02] <knome> do we want to revert stuff?
[01:02] <elfy> no
[01:02] <Unit193> bluesabre: lp 1423407 is marked invalid, did you fully update and gather more info? :P
[01:03] <knome> elfy, oki, good :)
[01:03] <elfy> knome: we just normally wait for -release to release
[01:03] <elfy> bit early this time :)
[01:03] <knome> talk about impatience ;))
[01:03] <elfy> I know - some people :p
[01:04] <knome> true that
[01:09] <bluesabre> Unit193: awww
[01:09] <bluesabre> I'll update and crash it again
[01:09] <bluesabre> Unit193: did you say thunar was ready?
[01:10] <bluesabre> http://unit193.net/source/ ?
[01:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://sigma.
[01:24] <Unit193> With lintian and buildlog.
[01:30] <bluesabre> Unit193: too many servers :P
[01:30] <Unit193> Just two...
[01:31] <bluesabre> right
[01:31] <bluesabre> *two* many servers
[01:31] <Unit193> Paha.
[01:31] <bluesabre> :P
[01:31] <Unit193> Careful, you complain too much and I'll start uploading them on Loki and Ninthfloor too. :P
[01:42] <bluesabre> :D
[01:42] <bluesabre> step 1. ssh tunnel into this random server
[01:42] <bluesabre> :P
[06:56] <nerdistmonk> Did something change since a day ago? Can't run scripts from thunar now.
[06:58] <Unit193> Thunar 1.6.5 was just uploaded.
[06:58] <nerdistmonk> All i know is i can't run .sh scripts now except through terminal
[06:58] <ochosi> nerdistmonk: yes
[06:58] <ochosi> that's an intentional change
[06:59] <nerdistmonk> great so all my desktop shortcuts are worthless then?
[06:59] <ochosi> if they're bash-scripts, then yes
[06:59] <nerdistmonk> wow.
[07:00] <ochosi> this is the corresponding bugreport in case you're interested to read it: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7596
[07:01] <ochosi> and then there's the longer version of that https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9934
[07:01] <Unit193> 'desktop shortcuts', sounds like you're doing things quite oddly.
[07:01] <ochosi> +1
[07:02] <ochosi> (hint: that's what .desktop files are for?)
[07:02] <nerdistmonk> How is it odd? i need xrandr to be called so it can change the resolution before executing the program, then i need it to change it back when done....my sh scripts were handling this nicely.
[07:02] <Unit193> 'by default' also sounds like you can change it.
[07:02] <nerdistmonk> I don't see anyways to change it back
[07:02] <ochosi> yeah, but if you don't use a kb-shortcut to bind your script to, why not use a desktop file then?
[07:03] <nerdistmonk> because i got 1,200 programs and only 104 keys, why would i do that when i had something that worked fine for over 10 years?
[07:04] <ochosi> you've been doing this for over 10 years?
[07:04] <ochosi> also, your question indicates you haven't read the bugreports
[07:04] <nerdistmonk> making a desktop launcher to a .sh script? sure
[07:05] <nerdistmonk> these scripts do not need to be seen verbosely, so theres no reason not to.
[07:05] <ochosi> err, what? whatever.
[07:07] <nerdistmonk> so this is localized to thunar i take it?
[07:07] <nerdistmonk> ill just rip it out and go to something else then i guess.
[07:08] <nerdistmonk> i can understand why this change was made, but why remove user choice once again?
[07:08] <nerdistmonk> why not give me an option to keep the old behavior?
[07:11] <ochosi> erhm, once again?
[07:15] <ochosi> look, there are very easy workarounds, you can create desktop files that do *exactly* what your scripts did (if it's a single call, you can place it in the desktop file directly, if it's more, call the script). this is to protect users who don't know what they're doing
[07:15] <ochosi> shell scripts don't provide any visual feedback and imo they shouldn't be used as "launchers"
[07:16] <ochosi> since you seemingly *know* what you're doing, you can easily use the workaround indicated above without any trouble
[07:16] <ochosi> options should only be added where they make sense, otherwise we end up with too many of them

[07:17] <nerdistmonk> it appears my desktop icons still work, im just going to take thunar out and go to pcmanfm
[07:18] <nerdistmonk> anyways as you said /discussion so i will move on
[07:21] <Unit193> nerdistmonk: If you plan to still use xfdesktop4, you should call pcmanfm with --no-desktop, if you plan to use pcmanfm as the desktop, you can still use thunar just not xfdesktop.
[07:22] <nerdistmonk> i was going to use it as my default file manager and uninstall thunar completely
[07:22] <Unit193> pcmanfm == xfdesktop4 and thunar by default.
[07:24] <nerdistmonk> hmmm seems like its gonna be best to simply go to lxde
[07:26]  * Unit193 rolls eyes.
[07:26] <ochosi> yeah, maybe that's best
[07:27] <nerdistmonk> you can roll your eyes unit but pcmanfm needs lx libraries, if im gonna have a chunk of lxde running may as well just use it all.
[07:28] <nerdistmonk> especially since lxde is going to QT whereas xfce is going gtk3
[07:28] <nerdistmonk> that would be an interesting medley
[07:29] <nerdistmonk> only thing that makes me sad is not having my Mac OS 9 platinum theme that xfce comes with.
[07:29] <Unit193> Right then, I suppose we are done here.  Have fun.
[07:32] <nerdistmonk> well thanks for at least letting me know that thunar wasn't bugging out on me.
[07:32] <ochosi> np
[07:32] <nerdistmonk> now to quietly wait and see if they catch/fix the nvidia window border bug
[07:33] <nerdistmonk> (its baaaccckkk)
[07:34] <nerdistmonk> minimize a window then bring it back up and the window border is gone on the sides/bottom, old bug from like 3 years ago, seems to have come back for reasons unknown.
[07:37] <nerdistmonk> Haha
[07:37] <nerdistmonk> hows that for effort
[07:37] <nerdistmonk> fixed my thunar problem
[07:37] <nerdistmonk> simply selected "open with other application", then typed in a custom command "sh"
[07:38] <nerdistmonk> so now it opens all .sh files with sh.
[07:45] <nerdistmonk> thanks for your time guys, sorry for pestering you all.
[07:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: Meh, too late for a new mousepad?  FFe it? :P
[08:46] <brainvvash> elfy, indicator-sound > sound settings still open pavucontrol here
[08:47] <brainvvash> got a newer version: 12.10.2+15.04.20150219.1-0ubuntu1
[08:48] <brainvvash> oh nvm, you have the same version installed
[09:05] <Akusari> good morning :-)
[09:39] <elfy> ochosi: clean install - ind-sound working again
[10:58] <elfy> we can put man on the moon, but not have numlock believe me when I say I want it on at the login screen
[11:11] <ochosi> elfy: always good when a bug actually isnt one
[11:11] <elfy> yep
[11:12] <elfy> though I'm still hating on pavu atm :D
[11:13] <elfy> last week I could set a master vol in output devices, then vol control increased/decreased playback vol
[11:13] <elfy> today - both levels change
[11:14] <brainvvash> could be pulseaudio which has been updated from v4 to v6
[11:14] <elfy> does it come from gnome - removing options would be par for the course ... :)
[11:15] <ochosi> pavucontrol has been rather unmaintained for a while now
[11:15] <ochosi> luckily it's still working, cause there really isn't any DE-agnostic alternative afaik
[11:15] <elfy> yea
[11:15] <elfy> yep
[11:16] <elfy> I guess wanting to control volumes 3 ways is probably a bit over the top anyway :D
[11:16] <ochosi> at some point i considered forking pavucontrol and improving it
[11:16] <ochosi> but it would've been quite a bit of work
[11:16] <elfy> did you consider it for very long :)
[11:16] <ochosi> too many projects already
[11:16] <elfy> :)
[11:17] <brainvvash> why not contribute directly to pavucontrol?
[11:17] <ochosi> because there are no active maintainers afaik
[11:18] <ochosi> anyway, no need to discuss this, i'm not doing it anyway
[11:22] <brainvvash> they seems to accept patches https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88813
[11:26] <brainvvash> oh, I meant he accepts patches, the ubuntu audio dev and one of the pulseaudio maintainers
[11:27] <brainvvash> ochosi, lazy loading prevents tab switching in the appearance window
[11:28] <ochosi> in what case?
[11:28] <ochosi> i mean i can't reproduce that
[11:29] <brainvvash> until it's done loading everything I mean
[11:29] <brainvvash> requirement: slow pc
[11:29] <ochosi> right, i guess that sounds like it's a bit against the intention of lazy loading
[11:30] <ochosi> is any interaction blocked? even with the currently open tab?
[11:30] <ochosi> or only tab switches
[11:32] <brainvvash> only tab switching and theme selection, but only for like 2 seconds, longer on first launch
[11:32] <brainvvash> I don't know if lazy loading could allow these interactions
[11:33] <brainvvash> or maybe something else is wrong here
[11:33] <ochosi> hm, i dunno, maybe tab-switching's interaction is a bit different from just pushing some other button
[11:34] <brainvvash> not worth caring about this, it's just a small delay :)
[11:34] <brainvvash> it's not like the user opens the appearance window on a daily base
[11:35] <ochosi> yeah
[11:35] <ochosi> my thoughts exactly
[11:35] <ochosi> at least there is no stalling with showing the dialog
[11:39] <brainvvash> wasn't "session and startup" always embedded into the settings manager?
[11:40] <ochosi> it used to be, it isn't anymore?
[11:40] <ochosi> still is here
[11:40] <brainvvash> not here
[11:41] <ochosi> did you compile it yourself?
[11:41] <brainvvash> also keyboard and mouse settings are not anymore
[11:41] <brainvvash> ok... woot
[11:41] <brainvvash> I triggered some bug
[11:42] <ochosi> maybe you built something yourself without pluggable support
[11:42] <brainvvash> none of dialogs are embedded
[11:42] <ochosi> sounds like xfce4-settings without plug support
[11:43] <brainvvash> nope, open lightdm gtk greeter settings and close the password dialog without providing a password
[11:43] <brainvvash> to trigger the bug
[11:44] <brainvvash> minor bug though
[11:44] <ochosi> right, pkexec thingy probably
[11:44] <ochosi> not sure xfsettings can do anything about that
[11:45] <ochosi> yeah, closing and reopening fixes the embedding
[11:45] <brainvvash> yes :)
[11:58] <ochosi> brainvvash: want to lend a hand?
[12:05] <brainvvash> ochosi, with testing?
[12:06] <ochosi> well, sorting out this mess of a bugreport would really help... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-volumed/+bug/1347272
[12:06] <ochosi> checking which apps are really still affected etc
[12:07] <brainvvash> how can it be tested? I could check code-wise
[12:09] <ochosi> i'd say start codewise
[12:09] <ochosi> i'm also a bit lost as to how it could be tested
[12:10] <ochosi> thing is, i'm working on another bug/patch atm
[12:10] <ochosi> but i'd like us to tackle this one asap
[12:10] <ochosi> (ideally we can just close it)
[12:22] <Akusari> hmm, this should be a task for xfce devs and nobody else
[12:23] <elfy> Akusari: you know that bunches of people in this channel actually are that?
[12:23] <bluesabre> Open source community gives and gives back
[12:23] <elfy> hey bluesabre !!!
[12:23] <bluesabre> heya elfy
[12:23] <bluesabre> and what elfy said
[12:24] <ochosi> Akusari: this is a ubuntu-specific bug
[12:25] <bluesabre> and what ochosi said
[12:25] <bluesabre> probably moreso that
[12:25] <Akusari> sure, i know that, but i'm a experince dev in gnu projects and other open source projects. So i thing *personal* thats a "design concept" bug and no real app bug
[12:25] <Akusari> i think
[12:26] <ochosi> feel free to help us resolve the bugreport
[12:27] <ochosi> tbh i don't see any real bugs/problems with these apps, so foremostly i wanna get this bugreport sorted
[12:27] <Akusari> and design concept things should only be done by original developers
[12:29] <Akusari> i agree with ochosi in this case :)
[12:30] <Akusari> don't understand me wrong, it just my _personal_ private view of course
[12:31] <ochosi> no worries
[12:42] <Akusari> Well, forks or threads models have a deep impact of the whole app or project. Just for example if you plan to change this part to a thread pool manage base there are a lot of depencies. I don't looked at the code, so this is only theoretical thought.
[12:44] <ochosi> practical thought: lunchtime
[12:44] <ochosi> bbl
[12:44] <Akusari> hehe :)
[12:46] <Akusari> bluesabre: Yes, you're right of course :-) And thats how it works :-)
[13:13] <jjfrv8> elfy, looks like we're back to just the 32-bit version having the missing try/install problem today.
[13:17] <elfy> jjfrv8: mmm - I did have a quick word re vbox - not awfully useful
[13:18] <elfy> was a bit mmm vbox - so does it work in kvm - vbox is rubbish ...
[13:18] <jjfrv8> bummer
[13:19] <elfy> a bit
[13:20] <elfy> kvm doesn't give the try/install at all - just sits at the start menu waiting for you to hit try or install :)
[13:20] <jjfrv8> hmm
[16:12] <Akusari> hello, i looked a little bit deeper into this case: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-volumed/+bug/1347272
[16:15] <Akusari> that's a real mess, i'm just inspecting an example module unity-gtk-module-0.0.0+14.04.20141212 . It looks really ugly what they doing there. I need more time and continue later on
[17:13] <elfy> sorted numlock \o/ just put in back where I put it originally, must have ended up commented out amongst all the stuff going on last week
[17:13] <elfy> that said - shouldn't have to edit system files to make it work
[17:14] <ochosi> hehe
[17:14] <ochosi> so no bug there again?
[17:15] <elfy> well
[17:15] <elfy> you could call it a bug
[17:15] <elfy> bios says numlock on, desktop says numlock on, lightdm says don't be silly
[17:15] <elfy> :)
[17:16] <ochosi> hehe
[17:16] <ochosi> well then don't be silly!
[17:17] <elfy> got mediaserver thing working properly now too :) went for a different one - easy as eating cake ...
[17:17] <ochosi> yay
[17:18] <elfy> http://www.universalmediaserver.com/ instead of mediatomb
[17:18] <ochosi> how is it better (other than working)?
[17:18] <ochosi> and is it packaged?
[17:18] <elfy> for one thing - changed one option, rather than mucking about with enabling things in a conf file
[17:19] <elfy> java ...
[17:22] <Akusari> hi :-) I'm out of  the "Several XFCE applications..." bug. It's not my part to say something about canonical work with unity gtk modules. It is as it is :-)  I have just one suggestion: Keep xubuntu unity free (packages based) :-)
[17:26] <elfy> going to try and get some headway on this virtual install issue with 32bit
[17:27] <Akusari> i'm sorry, i'm not easy , eh? ;-)
[17:27] <elfy> wut?
[17:29] <Akusari> well, i'm also writing what i'm thinking and sometimes it would be better doing a long think and not writing down everything comes in my mind :-)
[17:30] <elfy> ;)
[17:30] <elfy> you'd really not want me doing that in a logged channel
[17:30] <Akusari> lol - right :-P
[19:02] <elfy> ochosi: couple of nice chaps having a look at this 32bit vb thing - cyphermox and infinity
[19:02] <ochosi> cool
[19:02] <elfy> seems to be hidden somehow
[19:02] <elfy> if you boot it then up or down arrow to change language - it shows up
[19:03] <ochosi> weird
[20:19] <elfy> jjfrv8: not sure if you read scrollback when you're not pinged, but re 32bit image you can work it to try the rest of what's in the image
[20:21] <elfy> when you've got the empty screen up or down, changes the language and the dialogue appears
[20:53] <knome> elfy, do you have final numbers on beta testing activity per person?
[20:53] <knome> elfy, see where i'm getting?
[20:57] <elfy> knome: not really seeing where you getting at all tbh, if I could give you those figures - I will also be winning the lottery tonight and tomorrow, possibly some results on football bets too :p
[20:58] <elfy> if however you mean the trusty thing from yesterday yea - I got those :D
[20:58] <knome> oh right, we didn't do qa incentive for 14.04.2...
[20:59] <elfy> no
[20:59]  * knome gets back to cave
[20:59] <knome> bbiab
[20:59] <elfy> but those numbers will be in February's :)
[20:59] <elfy> tbh I didn't give trusty .2 a thought until 2 weeks ago ...
[21:00] <elfy> knome: actually - if you've got a minute or 3
[21:06] <elfy> ochosi knome - re QA incentive - I've got sorted figures locally, but if I don't wake up in the morning someone has to redo all of that
[21:06] <elfy> what I was pondering was making a google sheet - sharing the link to team, but making it editable only by ochosi and me
[21:06] <elfy> rather - those in team that have an interest
[21:07] <elfy> and aren't going to be telling me it's not up to date :p
[21:14] <knome> elfy, mm... works for me
[21:19] <ochosi> elfy: hmm, only if you promise to wake up in the morning!
[21:19] <elfy> ha :)
[21:20] <elfy> ochosi: do you have a gmail ?
[21:20] <ochosi> i do
[21:20] <elfy> knome: same
[21:20] <ochosi><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:21] <elfy> okey doke - as long as I can do that with an English keyboard :p
[21:22] <ochosi> hah yeah, it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:22] <ochosi> oh wait, you don't have that on your keyboard...
[21:22] <elfy> LOL
[21:22] <knome> elfy<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:23] <elfy> ochosi: yea I do have €
[21:23] <knome> elfy, do you have an Œ?
[21:23] <elfy> but that's just so last year ... or will be
[21:23] <elfy> knome: no
[21:23] <elfy> :D
[21:23] <knome> ;)
[21:23] <knome> do you have those elliptical circles then?
[21:24] <elfy> squares?
[21:24] <elfy> yep
[21:24] <ochosi> heh
[21:26] <Unit193> ᗣ ᗣ ᗣ   ᗧ * * * * * *
[21:26] <ochosi> wat, cookies?
[21:26] <knome> i see missing unicode characters :)
[21:27] <elfy> knome: sent to you
[21:27] <knome> elfy, ta
[21:28] <brainvvash> ochosi, wow, evince already patched and available in -proposed.. that was fast
[21:28] <knome> elfy, view only ;(
[21:28] <elfy> yep
[21:28] <knome> works for me
[21:28] <elfy>  but making it editable only by ochosi and me
[21:29] <elfy> I did say that :)
[21:29] <knome> yes
[21:29] <elfy> just so people can see
[21:30] <elfy> if you really want more make up a reason :D
[21:30] <knome> nah
[21:30] <knome> i'm fine
[21:30] <elfy> ok
[21:30] <elfy> I just wanted that others could see it rather than just me
[21:30] <knome> heh, yeah
[21:30] <knome> good to share stuff
[21:31] <elfy> and re the original proposal - ochosi needs to ack who gets the snail mail too - so only right he can edit
[21:31] <knome> and pleia2 needs to send stuff
[21:32] <knome> and i need to prepare the certificates if we want them
[21:32] <elfy> yep
[21:32] <knome> or i can prepare it so that pleia2 might be able to do them on request
[21:32] <knome> well, when needed at least :P
[21:32] <elfy> what I'll do is mail [team] - them that would like to have the link can mail me back
[21:32] <elfy> well
[21:33] <elfy> given we're trying to push it - would be nice to think we all would be interested in 'what's going on' if nothing else :)
[21:33] <brainvvash> ochosi, even in -release now, but does it actually work for you?
[21:34] <elfy> knome: even gave it a bit of talking up in -meeting the other day
[21:34] <brainvvash> ochosi, I maximized the evince window and there is no title bar
[21:34] <elfy> lubuntu are handing out t-shirts ...
[21:35] <knome> heh
[21:36] <elfy> brainvvash: I see that evince issue properly now - andf F11 doesn't undo full screen 'apparently' drag it and it goes back to previous size
[21:37] <elfy> and awesomely cyphermox is assigned to the odd vbox thing :)
[21:37] <elfy> ty cyphermox :)
[21:39] <brainvvash> elfy, a new version was released to fix the evince issue, like an hour ago. did you already install 3.14.1-0ubuntu4?
[21:39] <elfy> brainvvash: doubtful
[21:39] <elfy> clean install - I've updated a bunch of times during the day - but not for a few hours now
[21:41] <elfy> and the repos were a whole lot faster then too ...
[21:45] <elfy> brainvvash: what I see now is , F11 fullscreens and undoes that - but title bar missing still
[21:47] <brainvvash> bug 1422354
[21:47] <brainvvash> missing here too
[21:49] <ochosi> +1
[21:49] <Unit193> New xfdash and all, uplodaded.
[21:52] <cyphermox> elfy: I think I have a fix, I'll upload shortly
[21:52] <elfy> Unit193: I've kind of been playing with that - shame it doesn't timeout
[21:53] <elfy> cyphermox: awesome :)
[21:54] <Unit193> elfy: As in, open it and after a certain time it'll close by itself?  https://github.com/gmc-holle/xfdashboard/issues ?
[21:56] <jjfrv8> elfy, I've tried that vbox workaround but only got it to work once, and now can't reproduce it.
[21:56] <elfy> yea as in that
[21:57] <jjfrv8> is it moot now, though
[21:57] <elfy> Unit193: ^^
[21:57] <elfy> jjfrv8: we has hope :)
[21:57] <Unit193> Aha.
[21:57] <elfy> Unit193: but doesn't appear to be an issue atm - shall I do one
[21:58] <Unit193> Up to you, if you want it ask.  From what I've seen he's pretty receptive.
[22:01] <elfy> mmm
[22:01] <elfy> not sure that I'd use it enough in future to ask for something I might not see :)
[22:04] <ochosi> brainvvash: no clue why the patch isn't working, the changelog indicates it has been applied
[22:07] <ochosi> so does the package's diff
[22:09] <brainvvash> yes, it's strange
[22:09] <brainvvash> I've tested my patch 2 days ago, and it worked
[22:19] <elfy> hard for me to tell - I've had all sorts of oddness for days :p
[22:22] <elfy> brainvvash: I've now at least got a normalish install if you want someone to test anything re this
[23:42] <elfy> nice little disk space usage bar turned up in thunar :)