[06:00] <ultrafunk> Dr_willis: installing x-window-system-dev (warty, hoary should be similar) would get you the includes you need
[06:00] <monoxide> Jeezis, whatever version you install?
[06:00] <mebaran151> I want to play with mono
[06:00] <mebaran151> anyone know the repo for all those pkgs
[06:00] <LiquidIce1337> can someone tell me why I get the error "E: couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules" when i do sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[06:00] <EndGame> anyone?
[06:00] <EndGame> please help
[06:00] <regeya_> kiss an infected person
[06:00] <johnwl> LiquidIce1337: you may need extra repositories (not sure): http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:01] <mebaran151> oh
[06:01] <mebaran151> LiquidIce1337, that might not be the pkg name
[06:01] <Jeezis> i installed warty v5.10
[06:01] <mebaran151> go to synaptic
[06:01] <LiquidIce1337> thanksyou john
[06:01] <xed> Why does I have to go back to windows setup =(
[06:01] <mebaran151> gksudo synatpic
[06:01] <mebaran151> xed why are you going to a windows set up
[06:01] <mebaran151> you might try insert
[06:01] <johnwl> is there a warty 5.1?
[06:01] <crimsun> no.
[06:01] <mebaran151> johnwl, I dont think so
[06:01] <mebaran151> hi crimsun
[06:01] <xed> mebaran151: Going to create a dummy NTFS partition, and then go back to set up for Ubuntu and destroy that partion, and use it for UBuntu
[06:02] <mebaran151> you willing to lose windows
[06:02] <mebaran151> I gurantee
[06:02] <mebaran151> if you rely on the windows tools
[06:02] <mebaran151> windows might just be dead upon next reboot
[06:02] <xed> mebaran151: Yeah, but I want to use Windows for gaming. =|
[06:02] <mebaran151> then you are going to need to use a livecd
[06:02] <crimsun> it will be 5.04 when it releases
[06:02] <mebaran151> take my word for it
[06:02] <Jeezis> oops
[06:02] <mebaran151> windows wont resize itself
[06:02] <xed> mebaran151: Even so, I have seperated Windows from the files I need..onto a different partition
[06:02] <Jeezis> yes i installed warty 5.04
[06:03] <mebaran151> xed, how did you do that?
[06:03] <mebaran151> you have a spare partition lying around
[06:03] <farruinn> johnwl: 5.04 for April 2005
[06:03] <johnwl> thx
[06:03] <xed> When originally installing Windows, I created a second partition  (NTFS) and now keep all important files onto that..
[06:03] <mebaran151> oh
[06:03] <mebaran151> why not just move those files temporarily to your main partition
[06:03] <mebaran151> use that partition
[06:04] <arbeck> can someone help me with cdrecord?
[06:04] <mebaran151> and later make a new windows partition for those files when you have a good linux system up
[06:04] <johnwl> xed: whatever you do i suggest you backup key data first
[06:04] <mebaran151> arbeck, try graveman
[06:04] <xed> johnw1: I think I just might have to now.. =(
[06:04] <mebaran151> it is a good front end
[06:04] <xed> Darkness =(
[06:04] <mebaran151> backing up is a pain
[06:04] <Jento00001> whats the difference between ubuntu and debian?
[06:04] <mebaran151> ubuntu takes a debian base
[06:05] <mebaran151> and makes it just more cohesive
[06:05] <mebaran151> using development Gnome pkgs
[06:05] <mebaran151> also
[06:05] <mebaran151> KDE lovers must go elsewhere
[06:05] <monoxide> ubuntu = debian + extras?
[06:05] <mebaran151> basically
[06:05] <Jeezis> well shit, i downloaded the most recent warty verson i guess
[06:05] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:05] <mebaran151> warty is the stable
[06:05] <mebaran151> hoary isnt so bad anymore
[06:05] <arbeck> mebaran151: well, gnomebaker, nautilus, and cdrecord all won't work... cdrdao does... i've written a python script to take care of audio cd's but data is a bit more challenging
[06:05] <EndGame> how do i disable hotplugging on boot
[06:05] <Jento00001> Jeezis: i downloaded it over night, is the installation hard?
[06:06] <johnwl> not for most
[06:06] <mebaran151> arbeck, if you wrote a python script to write audio cds
[06:06] <mebaran151> you are a step ahead of me
[06:06] <Jeezis> i installed it just fine
[06:06] <Jeezis> but im on a laptop
[06:06] <Xenguy> Jento00001: Ubu is based on Debian unstable, makes that stable, adds a GNOME desktop, chooses sane default applications, and tries to do that every 6 months on schedule :-)
[06:06] <Jeezis> and now x wont work
[06:06] <Jento00001> Johnw1: what kind of GUI does ubuntu use?
[06:06] <johnwl> OS installations are always a crapshoot but I've installed it on 4 different boxes without an issue
[06:06] <Jeezis> had the same problem with rh9
[06:06] <mebaran151> how did you do it by python script
[06:06] <johnwl> Jento: GNOME
[06:06] <Jento00001> Xenguy
[06:06] <Jento00001> hmm ok
[06:06] <mebaran151> I would like to see that
[06:06] <mebaran151> going around cdrecord
[06:06] <mebaran151> if you would
[06:07] <Jento00001> thats not bad i guess ill burn it to a cd, i ordered 10 cds to give out to friends
[06:07] <Xenguy> Jento00001: me too :-)
[06:07] <arbeck> mebaran151: simple... just detect the file, convert to track#.wav, add to a .toc file, then call cdrdao with that .toc
[06:07] <johnwl> i ordered 30
[06:07] <johnwl> ive already installed it for a few folks
[06:07] <Xenguy> Jento00001: I think it is quite impressive so far (and I expect Hoary will be better still)
[06:07] <Jento00001> i ordered yesterday will they give me the new one thats coming out in 4 6 weeks or the old one?
[06:07] <mebaran151> arbeck
[06:08] <mebaran151> neato
[06:08] <mebaran151> I didnt realize cd audio was straight wave
[06:08] <mebaran151> I thought it would be special
[06:08] <johnwl> i still havent gotten the ones i orded 2 weeks ago..my guess is we'll be getting the new ones
[06:08] <mebaran151> arbeck, maybe just reinstall cdrecord
[06:08] <mebaran151> like purge it and reinstall
[06:08] <mebaran151> what error does it give
[06:08] <Jento00001> johnw1: guess they just halted the burning until the new one
[06:08] <Jento00001> is there any screenshots of it?
[06:09] <arbeck> mebaran151: i could whip up something similar for iso images, but i'm unsure of how to handle burning regular data to cd... since nautilus, cdrecord and gnomebaker all don't work i figure there is something wrong somewhere in my setup that is effecting all of them
[06:09] <johnwl> I don't think look and feel will change much at all
[06:09] <mebaran151> ywah
[06:09] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:09] <Jeezis> well, apparently i'm using warty warthog 4.10
[06:09] <mebaran151> it is interesting cdrao works
[06:09] <mebaran151> usually that is what breaks for me
[06:09] <Jento00001> john: can anyone send me screen shots of there ubuntu? :)
[06:09] <Jeezis> so does anyone know the kernel version for warty 4.10?
[06:10] <mebaran151> 2.6.8 I think
[06:10] <mebaran151> it is a 2.6 kernel
[06:10] <johnwl> Ubuntu Screenshots: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots/
[06:10] <Xenguy> Jento00001: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots/
[06:10] <Xenguy> hah
[06:11] <Jento00001> thanx
[06:11] <johnwl> of course the nice thing about linux is that anyone can create any desktop they want..regardless of distro
[06:11] <johnwl> but those will show you the base install
[06:11] <johnwl> and GNOME 2.8
[06:11] <Jento00001> all distros look all the same to me :S
[06:12] <johnwl> strange thing is i havent tweaked my look and feel at all...and i dont even like brown
[06:12] <Dr_willis> neat game i  got working --->  http://transcend.sourceforge.net/   but now i am SOOOO dizzy...
[06:12] <arbeck> Jento00001: well, as long as you are running either kde or gnome :P
[06:12] <Jeezis> does anyone have any words of wisdom for how to set up x to run on a sager 9860?
[06:12] <Jento00001> ubuntu on kde looks not bad
[06:13] <Jeezis> even if its just default configuration
[06:13] <Jeezis> i keep getting the error "no screens detected"
[06:13] <tims> meb: yeah it's 2.6.8-- those were what I was getting rid of earlier.. (I'm on hoary)
[06:13] <xed> Ubuntu uses Linux Ext3, yes?
[06:13] <Jento00001> tims: how did you get hoary, did come out yet
[06:13] <Jeezis> yes
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: is it actually "no screens found" ?
[06:14] <johnwl> Jeezis: http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?s=e5ce6dbde93ab585f9b1abf843842892&t=50624
[06:14] <Dr_willis> Jeezis,  that an nvidia right? i got a 6800
[06:14] <xed> Jeezis: Are you talking to me.. or Jento00001?
[06:14] <Jeezis> no, its an ati x800
[06:14] <Jeezis> anyone in general :p
[06:14] <Dr_willis> ati - ugh. :P
[06:14] <tims> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-6/
[06:14] <Dr_willis> that one of the new pciexpress cards?
[06:14] <xed> Jeezis: Ubuntu uses ext3 yes?
[06:14] <arbeck> thoreauputic: hey, I never did figure out how to get my refresh rate changed
[06:14] <Jeezis> yes, i heard that ati is a bastard
[06:15] <Jento00001> Jeezis: where is it!? omg i download warty for no reason
[06:15] <Jeezis> i have warty 4.10, sorry for the confusion Jento
[06:15] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: the debian solution for "no screens found" is  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86   (and say "no" to the framebuffer question)
[06:15] <Jento00001> oh :(>> lol
[06:15] <Jeezis> thanks thoreauputic
[06:16] <tims> jent look at my post above
[06:16] <Jeezis> i'll boot into ubuntu and get on in irssi if i have any problems
[06:16] <tims> keep in mind hoary is still "unstable" but I've found it works better for me
[06:16] <johnwl> ok im off to apt-get install cheeseburger
[06:17] <Jento00001> lol
[06:17] <johnwl> and fries
[06:17] <Jento00001> im going to burn warty
[06:17] <Amaranth> did someone say my name?
[06:17] <goldfish_> MY NAME
[06:17] <goldfish_> maybe
[06:18] <arbeck> anyone know how to change XF86Config-4 for a new monitor?
[06:18] <tims> jent: if you install warty, it's easy to update to hoary later on
[06:18] <Jento00001> tims: how?
[06:19] <tims> hoary upgrade from warty: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6473.html
[06:19] <thoreauputic> arbeck: if you have a knoppix disc or other live cd thet "works" with it, copy the config over from that
[06:20] <arbeck> thoreauputic: why didn't i think of that... you're a mother fucking genius!
[06:20] <thoreauputic> arbeck: hmm... not really a genius at mother fucking, no
[06:20] <thoreauputic> ;)
[06:20] <Jento00001> when is hoary coming?
[06:21] <tims> probably a month or so
[06:22] <maccorin> wtf?
[06:22] <maccorin> i installed crossover office, and now all my apps are missing from the gnome menu
[06:22] <maccorin> arrrg
[06:22] <jsgotangco> gimme a dime wherever i see the words wtf and rtfm
[06:22] <johnwl> when are gentle gorilla and wacky walrus coming out? sry off to get food...
[06:23] <Dr_willis> When's "Bloated bassethound" due?
[06:23] <johnwl> somebody should start a name thread on the boards
[06:23] <arbeck> thoreauputic: of course this means i have to reboot...
[06:23] <thoreauputic> arbeck: well, yes it does
[06:23] <jsgotangco> how about the picky platypus
[06:23] <arbeck> Jento00001: hoary is out... it's just not official yet
[06:24] <Torak> heyas. i installed ubuntu off the cover cd of linux user, but all the dev libs don't seem to be installed and/or not on the cd. does this sound normal?
[06:25] <maccorin> anyone know how i can get my menu's back in gnome?
[06:25] <thoreauputic> wasn't Bloated Bassethound" the secret code name for windows XP ?
[06:25] <jsgotangco> but then you forgot the Ubuntu naming pattern
[06:25] <thoreauputic> maccorin:  killall gnome-panel sometimes works
[06:25] <jsgotangco> there's always the word "hog"
[06:25] <Dr_willis> that was "Lepperous Lemming"
[06:25] <Dr_willis> :P
[06:26] <thoreauputic> haha
[06:26] <jsgotangco> Grumpy Groundhog
[06:26] <jsgotangco> Warty Warthog
[06:26] <maccorin> thoreauputic, k
[06:26] <jsgotangco> Hoary Hedgehog
[06:26] <johnwl> Oprah Winfrey..wait
[06:27] <maccorin> thoreauputic: worked, ty
[06:27] <Jeezis> hello all
[06:27] <thoreauputic> maccorin: np
[06:27] <tims> ok just one question: What's up with the brown anyway?
[06:27] <Jeezis> i just tried to start x and i got this fatal error :no screens found
[06:27] <thoreauputic> maccorin: shouldn't really be necessary though - gnome is a bit frail
[06:27] <Jeezis> i tried X -configure as root and it says that configuration failed
[06:28] <Jeezis> any words of wisdom?
[06:28] <crimsun> you should be using ,,sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86''
[06:28] <maccorin> thoreauputic: yea, i was just worried that it had erased my config files
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: fif you run the command i gave you exactly as written?
[06:28] <maccorin> crossover i mean
[06:28] <Nekohayo> hi, I'd like to be able to manually edit the mouse's speed. Any idea where the conf resides? The GUI seems bugged, can't get it off the slow side
[06:28] <maccorin> cause it's not in apt
[06:28] <Jeezis> i also tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[06:29] <Jeezis> it said the package wasnt installed
[06:29] <crimsun> Nekohayo: look at xset(1x)
[06:29] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: umm
[06:29] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: not possible on warty
[06:29] <Jeezis> i didnt think so either
[06:29] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: you must have xserver-xfree86
[06:29] <Jeezis> i'll brb let me make sure
[06:29] <Nekohayo> crimsun, is this a file or a command? thanks for the quick reply
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: what does apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86 have to say on the subject?
[06:30] <crimsun> Nekohayo: man xset
[06:31] <Burgundavia> anybody else having issues with cupsys-driver-gimpprint?
[06:31] <panickedthumb> Hey, I'm trying to install KDE 3.4 using Konstruct. I know this isn't supported, but I can't compile part of it because I get this error: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a(glxcmds.o)(.text+0x2eea): In function `glXGetMscRateOML':: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion'
[06:31] <Nekohayo> crimsun, thanks
[06:31] <panickedthumb> I think it may be related to the version of libGL.a that installs with hoary
[06:31] <Jeezis> yup, it said that xserver-xfree86 is not installed
[06:31] <XposerX> any good wallpaper packages you guys know about?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: did you do an "expert" or "custom" install?
[06:32] <daniels> panickedthumb: yeah, you need to link with -lXxf86vm.  i need to fix that one.
[06:32] <Jeezis> i dont believe so
[06:32] <Jeezis> it tries to start x every time i reboot and it just messes up
[06:33] <thoreauputic> well, try sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86 and see what happens
[06:33] <panickedthumb> daniels, ooh ooh tell me how ;)
[06:33] <panickedthumb> I haven't linked in ages, I've forgotten. hehe
[06:33] <drmodding> somebody help please i install ubuntu on a pc and when im entry at gdm i hear a bump bump loop sound and the gnome get's frezee and i can't begin my sesion
[06:33] <daniels> panickedthumb: well, the proper fix involves patching xorg's Makefiles; the hacky fix would involve editing the Makefile.am of the library you're trying to link and putting -lXxf86vm in the _LDADD section
[06:33] <Jeezis> ok, thanks thorea
[06:33] <Jeezis> brb
[06:34] <panickedthumb> daniels: so I need to recompile libGL.so then?
[06:34] <daniels> panickedthumb: well, to fix it properly :)
[06:35] <Jeezis> ok, it says that the package is a virtual package provided by xserver-xorg
[06:36] <xed> Okay so I'm getting rid of windows
[06:36] <Jeezis> and that i need to explicitly select one to install
[06:36] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: umm - are you on warty or hoary?  cat /etc/issue to find out
[06:36] <Jeezis> type "cat /etc/issue" correct?
[06:36] <tims> xposer: I'm enjoying my march ubuntu wallpaper :)
[06:37] <panickedthumb> daniels: OK  to fix it un-properly, how would I do that? I'm not sure what library I'm trying to link here.
[06:37] <jdub> thoreauputic: (/etc/lsb-release is good too)
[06:37] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: correct
[06:37] <Jeezis> ok
[06:37] <Jeezis> will do
[06:37] <thoreauputic> jdub: ah - thanks :)
[06:37] <CodyC> anyone using Hoary that has done a d-i preseed?
[06:37] <F-Lelo> what is the difference of hoary to the other?!
[06:38] <Jeezis> ok, i have hoary hedgehog v5.04
[06:38] <panickedthumb> daniels: I'll try to catch you later, I'm off to bed. Night!
[06:38] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: OK in that case
[06:38] <xed> Jeezis: Do you hate pagans?
[06:39] <Jeezis> xed: i love pagans
[06:39] <Jeezis> i'm an agnostic myself ;)
[06:39] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[06:39] <thoreauputic> and say NO to the framebuffer question
[06:39] <Jeezis> will do thoreauputic
[06:39] <Jeezis> brb
[06:40] <xed> Jeezis: I thought you would've hated pagans...
[06:41] <xed> You know.. gun them down with your M4 and whatnot..
[06:41] <xed> Guess not, huh?
[06:41] <Nekohayo> curiosity thing, is it a gnome 2.9 feature that it has no icons in the gnome menu?
[06:42] <Jento00001> did hoary come out yet/
[06:42] <Nekohayo> Jento00001, I'm on hoary, but it's not official yet
[06:42] <crimsun> Jento00001: no
[06:42] <Nekohayo> Jento00001, 5.04 is the version number, so 2005 04
[06:43] <daniels> panickedthumb: night, sorry I couldn't be of more help -- will try to fix it soon
[06:46] <Jeezis> well, i thought i was getting somewhere
[06:46] <nix000> is there a command to disable a certain service in /etc/init.d ?
[06:46] <tga> nix000: update-rc.d
[06:46] <Jeezis> i went through the whole configure sequence and went off to start x
[06:46] <rommerUB> can anyone reccommend a theme for gnome
[06:47] <Jeezis> aaaaaaaaand i got the same error "fatal error: no screens found"
[06:47] <tga> nix000: update-rc.d -f certain_service remove
[06:47] <Jeezis> i'm on a laptop if that makes any difference
[06:47] <Jeezis> thorea?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: at this point you need to  look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and try to figure out what's happening
[06:48] <Jeezis> ok
[06:48] <nix000> tga:  thank you
[06:48] <tga> nix000: np
[06:48] <thoreauputic> but it ain't looking good
[06:49] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: you said no to the framebuffer?
[06:49] <Jeezis> yes, i said no to the frambuffer
[06:49] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: and accepted all the other defaults?
[06:49] <Jeezis> yes, except for a few
[06:49] <arbeck> thoreauputic: you are a mother fucking genius :P
[06:49] <thoreauputic> or did you mess with other stuff..?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> arbeck: it worked?
[06:50] <Jeezis> i didnt really mess with anything except which video modes it could run in
[06:50] <Jeezis> and the amount of video memory
[06:50] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: hmm
[06:50] <Jeezis> 256000 kb is 256 mb correct?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> well, look at the log, antway
[06:51] <thoreauputic> *anyway
[06:51] <Jeezis> ok
[06:51] <Jeezis> brb
[06:51] <Jeezis> what was the log address?
[06:51] <thoreauputic>  /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[06:51] <Jeezis> thanks
[06:53] <arbeck> thoreauputic: yep... i took the monitor section out of my xf86config-4 after booting into knoppix and pasted it into my ubuntu and now we're all kosher
[06:53] <tga> X -configure Just Works for me
[06:54] <thoreauputic> tga: lucky you ;-)
[06:54] <thoreauputic> gotta go - back later
[06:54] <tga> I'll call myself lucky when I get acceleration working on this Radeon 320M
[06:55] <arbeck> i even got gnomebaker working again... now i just need nautilus to work
[06:56] <arbeck> and my usb hd to work...
[06:57] <Jeezis> ok, i think i found the problem
[06:57] <Frodo> lol I downloaded "kubuntu" and got gnome only...
[06:57] <Jeezis> first of all, the log file was Xorg.0.log
[06:57] <Jeezis> but, i think it cant detect my video card
[06:58] <Jeezis> i read through the log file and everything is going fine until it trys to find the driver for my X800
[06:58] <erik> hey, I'm about to buy an Apple laptop.  ibook or powerbook, for ubuntu?
[06:58] <Jeezis> apparently there isnt one, so it goes "not found" then i get the "fatal error: no screens found"
[06:58] <erik> is there any reason the ATi or nvidia cards are preferred?
[06:59] <Frodo> Can anyone explain why kde is not in the supposedly kde branch of ubuntu?  I downloaded it right from the link at the top of this page
[06:59] <Jeezis> nvidia are easier
[06:59] <arbeck> erik: i think the ibook's are kind of cheap feeling... but the powerbooks are expensive...
[06:59] <arbeck> erik: of course i'm buying a mac mini so what do i know
[06:59] <erik> arbeck: the pbook isn't more expensive once you factor in the ram and hdd and cpu upgrade, for the 12"
[06:59] <Jeezis> thorea?
[06:59] <erik> Jeezis: there isn't accelerated 3d nvidia driver support on ppc, is there?
[07:00] <Jeezis> hmm, well i dont know about macs...there is a driver for pc hardware
[07:00] <Jeezis> i cant get ubuntu to recognize my x800 on my laptop
[07:00] <arbeck> erik: i'm sure there is a driver... check out yellow dog linux and see what they say
[07:01] <mdz> Frodo: there are four Kubuntu CD images available at present; which one did you try?
[07:01] <arbeck> erik: linus runs a mac, so i imagine there's some support
[07:01] <Jeezis> thoreaputic you still here?
[07:01] <erik> heh
[07:02] <Jeezis> ok, any veteran in here that knows how to get ubuntu to recognize my ATI X800?
[07:02] <Frodo> mdz: the first on the list...
[07:03] <mdz> Frodo: filename?
[07:03] <jdub> mdz: (erk, thanks)
[07:04] <Jeezis> ok, any veteran in here that knows how to get ubuntu to recognize my ATI X800?
[07:04] <Frodo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20050303.1/hoary-install-i386.iso
[07:04] <Jeezis> or at least let me boot into Xorg with no 3d acceleration and stuff
[07:04] <arbeck> Jeezis: have you tried any other distro's? knoppix, etc?
[07:04] <Frodo> and all it is is gnome
[07:05] <Jeezis> i have tried mandrake 10.0 and 10.1, and Debian Sarge
[07:05] <Jeezis> and now ubuntu
[07:05] <mdz> Frodo: that image definitely has KDE on it, and not GNOME
[07:05] <Jeezis> does knoppix have X800 support?
[07:05] <mdz> Frodo: check the md5sum and make sure you have the file that you expect to have
[07:06] <arbeck> Jeezis: I'd try the knoppix live cd and see if it works... are you using hoary or warty?
[07:06] <Jeezis> hoary 5.04
[07:06] <Jeezis> but the live cd isnt a permanent installation is it?
[07:07] <arbeck> Jeezis: it can be made into one
[07:07] <Jeezis> ok
[07:07] <Jeezis> well, i'll go download it
[07:08] <Jento00001> burning ...
[07:09] <Jento00001> how long and how hard will the installation be?>
[07:10] <tga> |<---->| this long
[07:10] <Jento00001> anyone here?
[07:10] <Jento00001> lol
[07:10] <OrangeSlice> it will take 10 minutes, if you know what you're doing
[07:10] <OrangeSlice> :p
[07:10] <Jento00001> what if your a newb?
[07:10] <rommerUB> the installation is very easy
[07:10] <rommerUB> im a newb
[07:10] <tga> it will take about 5 if you don't
[07:10] <OrangeSlice> or 6 hours if you screw something up and have to redo it many times
[07:10] <OrangeSlice> bwaha
[07:10] <tga> before you fsck up your machine that is
[07:10] <Jento00001> -_
[07:11] <rommerUB> i had windows xp on one partition
[07:11] <Jento00001> ^_-
[07:11] <rommerUB> and it installed perfectly
[07:11] <Jento00001> ok
[07:11] <rommerUB> with the grub dual boot loader fing
[07:11] <Jento00001> do you use fdisk for partitioning
[07:11] <OrangeSlice> hehe, no, I had almost no experience when I first installed ubuntu and it was easy
[07:11] <Jento00001> wow
[07:11] <Xenguy> Jento00001: cfdisk is an alternative
[07:12] <tga> Jento00001: only if you're a masochist
[07:12] <Jento00001> is there a GUI looking partitioning?
[07:12] <Xenguy> Jento00001: perhaps in the future
[07:12] <Myrtti> sort of
[07:12] <johnwl> anybody want gmail invites?
[07:12] <tga> cfdisk and parted have text based interfaces
[07:12] <arbeck> Jento00001: QTparted
[07:12] <Xenguy> johnwl: not me
[07:12] <Myrtti> johnwl: would you like to get my 50?
[07:12] <johnwl> lol
[07:12] <tga> arbeck: yeah, you can run it through aalib
[07:13] <rommerUB> with xmms how can i access a smb network share?
[07:13] <rattboi> how do I find the amount of free space on my hd?
[07:13] <Myrtti> no, seriously, try gmail invite spooler
[07:13] <Xenguy> rattboi: df -h
[07:13] <tga> rommerUB: you mount samba shares on directories
[07:13] <tga> rommerUB: after that they're like a local filesystem
[07:13] <rommerUB> ok
[07:13] <Xenguy> rattboi: df = disk free
[07:13] <rommerUB> i thought i would have to do that
[07:14] <tga> smbmount //foo/bar /mnt/foobar -o umask=0
[07:14] <tga> or something
[07:14] <Jento00001> -h stands for?
[07:14] <Myrtti> no, better yet, the best solution is not to give any of the invites
[07:14] <tga> Jento00001: -human
[07:14] <Xenguy> Jento00001: 'human-readable'  ;-)
[07:14] <Myrtti> the more you give away, the more they give you
[07:14] <tga> Jento00001: try it without the -h and see if you like it
[07:14] <Jento00001> lol
[07:14] <rommerUB> tga: how would i mount a share with samba?
[07:15] <Jento00001> my comps so slow can linux hold a 300 MHZ 360 RAM?
[07:15] <tga> Jento00001: yes
[07:15] <Xenguy> Jento00001: definitely
[07:15] <goldfish_> lol
[07:15] <goldfish_> loads
[07:15] <Jento00001> Xenguy: :P
[07:15] <tga> rommerUB: with smbmount, see above
[07:16] <johnwl> you might want to run a slimmed down gui but yeah
[07:16] <Jento00001> whats a powerful thing you can do on linux?
[07:16] <johnwl> run amazon.com or google?
[07:16] <tga> Jento00001: watch pr0n
[07:16] <Jento00001> tga::P
[07:16] <johnwl> google runs redhat
[07:16] <Xenguy> Jento00001: that is a question from a blind man to a 1-eyed man :-)
[07:16] <Jento00001> tga: your a pervert
[07:16] <rommerUB> ok
[07:17] <tga> Jento00001: yeah, I have a penguin fetish
[07:17] <Xenguy> heh
[07:17] <johnwl> the top supercomputers in the world are linux..top 2 or 3
[07:17] <Jento00001> tga: what with the screen?
[07:17] <Jento00001> 1 windows?
[07:17] <Xenguy> ?
[07:17] <rommerUB> smbmount command not found?
[07:18] <Jento00001> im going to install ubuntu now...
[07:18] <goldfish_> Google doesnt run redhat.
[07:18] <Jento00001> how much room does ubuntu take?
[07:18] <Jento00001> if u make a full installation
[07:19] <johnwl> google+red hat: http://www.webpronews.com/news/ebusinessnews/wpn-45-20050303GoogleOffersInsideLookAtOperations.html
[07:19] <Xenguy> Jento00001: that is answered on the web site IIRC
[07:19] <johnwl> so youre willing to contradict one of googles chief architects?
[07:19] <out_of_focus> has anybody here installed Ubuntu on a PPC?
[07:19] <Fr0d0> lol that plain sucks...the way the top of this room wrote the url for kubuntu is ambiguous.  I got array 6 which I dont need...what a waste of friggin time...
[07:19] <Myrtti> time to play tuxracer -->
[07:19] <Jento00001> lol
[07:19] <Jento00001> that games mad
[07:19] <tga> Jento00001: Ubuntu drops a bunch of Gnome crap on your machine
[07:19] <Xenguy> rommerUB: try -> apt-get install smbfs
[07:20] <Jento00001> tga: how much room in total 1 gig?
[07:20] <rommerUB> hmm ok
[07:20] <tga> I don't really know
[07:20] <out_of_focus> Ubuntu takes up about 1.5GB installed, doesn't it?
[07:20] <out_of_focus> i remember reading that
[07:20] <Jento00001> thats not bad
[07:20] <tga> if you're really tight on space go with Debian and only install what you need
[07:20] <Xenguy> out_of_focus: more, AFAIK
[07:21] <tga> like X and openbox or something
[07:21] <goldfish_> johnwl: It's lies.
[07:21] <johnwl> haha ok
[07:21] <Jento00001> tga: i only have 4 gigs of room for linux
[07:21] <Xenguy> Jento00001: that's do-able
[07:21] <|QuaD->  4 gigs???
[07:21] <johnwl> maybe they are running Amiga :p
[07:21] <|QuaD-> thats a small hd
[07:22] <Xenguy> |QuaD-: yes, but it can work with linux :-)
[07:22] <Fr0d0> Ubuntu will easily eat 4 gigs and cry for more...it is hard to keep it lean
[07:22] <tga> Jento00001: thing is you probably won't be running Gnome on that old machine of yours anyway
[07:22] <tga> personally I'
[07:22] <out_of_focus> hard drives are cheap nowadays
[07:22] <tga> personally I'd go with a small Debian install
[07:22] <Fr0d0> Especially if you do the updates
[07:22] <johnwl> i bought a 160gb harddrive to install Ubuntu on..i have a little room left :)
[07:22] <Myrtti> that game is too intense for me
[07:22] <jsgotangco> bleah i only run 6gb for ubuntu
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> are kubuntu live cds avialable ?
[07:23] <johnwl> yep
[07:23] <Myrtti> you know what, I play with Ubuntu more games than I played with Windows
[07:23] <jsgotangco> actually 5.0GB
[07:23] <|QuaD-> Xenguy: it can, but why wouldn't one just put ubuntu on the WHOLE hd
[07:23] <|QuaD-> or give windows 5 GB
[07:23] <johnwl> oh wait..dunno about kubuntu
[07:23] <Fr0d0> I installed Ubuntu yesterday and it is already using 4 gigs and I have added nothing
[07:23] <jsgotangco> 4GB?
[07:23] <jsgotangco> wtf
[07:23] <Xenguy> |QuaD-: HD space is cheap enough - true
[07:23] <|QuaD-> Xenguy: no need to have windows
[07:23] <out_of_focus> I'm going to replace Windows with Ubuntu on my PC soon
[07:23] <Fr0d0> if you do the updates, Ubuntu grows real quick
[07:24] <Xenguy> |QuaD-: ideally :-)
[07:24] <rommerUB> tga: is there an easy way to mount the shares, as i use them alot
[07:24] <jsgotangco> well just remove the old updates
[07:24] <|QuaD-> out_of_focus: soon=tonight?!?
[07:24] <jsgotangco> dont keep em
[07:24] <out_of_focus> no.
[07:24] <tga> rommerUB: you stick them into /etc/fstab and they get mounted at boot
[07:24] <out_of_focus> not that soon!
[07:24] <rommerUB> ok thanks
[07:24] <out_of_focus> i think i'm going to do a test install on an old 10GB hd just to see how everything runs
[07:25] <|QuaD-> out_of_focus: it will run great :)
[07:25] <johnwl> thats more than enough room for a test
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> does kubuntu live cd have kde 3.3 or 3.4 ?
[07:25] <jsgotangco> i use a different partition for /home/blah so i can keep my install as clean as possible
[07:25] <out_of_focus> i'm on my mac right now, but on my pc i'm really just fed up with windows
[07:25] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: 3.3
[07:25] <|QuaD-> 3.4 isn't even on non live cd
[07:25] <out_of_focus> between the random application crashes, random reboots, bsod..
[07:25] <|QuaD-> 3.4 is still beta
[07:26] <Fr0d0> Nevertheless, out of 8 Linux distros I currently use...Ubuntu is one of my favorites, except that it likes to break and need reinstalling frequently
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: oh, :(
[07:26] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: name a distro that has 3.4?
[07:26] <out_of_focus> it needs reinstalling frequently??
[07:26] <jsgotangco> huh?
[07:26] <tritium> Fr0d0, it shouldn't need re-installing.  configuring, perhaps, but not re-installing
[07:27] <jsgotangco> ubuntu breaks easily?
[07:27] <|QuaD-> jsgotangco: nope
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: klax
[07:27] <Fr0d0> Hoary has been Linux hell for me
[07:27] <tga> jsgotangco: if it breaks you get to keep both pieces
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> jsgotangco: never broken for me
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> Fr0d0: then use warty and wait for stable release
[07:27] <jsgotangco> me either
[07:27] <out_of_focus> hoary is a buggy preview release
[07:27] <jsgotangco> hoary was buggy so i reverted
[07:27] <tritium> but it's not that buggy ;)
[07:27] <out_of_focus> it shouldn't be expected to be stable
[07:28] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:28] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: a non live cd
[07:28] <rommerUB> tga: would i add them to /etc/fstab like -> //compname/share /home/user/mnt/share ?
[07:28] <johnwl> Ubunut is chocolate covered debian
[07:28] <johnwl> Ubuntu
[07:28] <out_of_focus> haha
[07:28] <Fr0d0> Im using Hoary now...it worked better updating from Warty rather than the cd iso
[07:28] <|QuaD-> tga: you want to go back to debian? how come?
[07:28] <tga> rommerUB: follow the model of the other lines.. //comp/share /mnt/share 0 0 umask=0
[07:28] <jsgotangco> ill just go hoary when its final
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: none. :) suse packages are available, thoguh
[07:29] <tga> rommerUB: the umask=0 will make the share available read/write for all users
[07:29] <johnwl> half the fun of linux is trying new distros..i wanna get a cheap pc just for that lol
[07:29] <rommerUB> ok thanks
[07:29] <rommerUB> ill give it a go
[07:29] <Fr0d0> Ubuntu isn't debian because debian developers havent got the sense to make their distro more user friendly
[07:29] <jsgotangco> me too i do that on weekends
[07:29] <out_of_focus> then buy one of those bargain pcs from outpost.com / fry's.
[07:29] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: Riddell has test 3.4 packages out...not official yet thoguh
[07:29] <|QuaD-> Fr0d0: i like debian :)
[07:30] <jsgotangco> a celeron PC would suffice
[07:30] <tga> |QuaD-: just used to it I guess, I haven't found much in Ubuntu other than the brown Gnome you can't refuse
[07:30] <johnwl> yeah im probably gonna pick up a frys cheapo
[07:30] <Fr0d0> Quad,.good for you, I like Ubuntu
[07:30] <jsgotangco> or the ones that run VIA
[07:30] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:30] <tga> or vmware
[07:30] <|QuaD-> tga: thats basically all it is :)
[07:30] <out_of_focus> i saw one with linspire in the ad last friday for $199
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: u installed Kubuntu using the install / live cd ?
[07:30] <jsgotangco> whoa
[07:31] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: nope, apt-get install kde
[07:31] <|QuaD-> then took off what i didn't want
[07:31] <Zotnix> |QuaD-, they do that?
[07:31] <johnwl> yeah and i could try out linspire for 5 minutes before installing something else muhaha
[07:31] <tga> I like it how vmware can boot stuff directly off the other half of the drive now
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: and using GNOME too ?
[07:31] <|QuaD-> Zotnix: the ydid :)
[07:31] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: nope.... though i need gtk
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> how do i move ubuntu from /dev/hda1 to /dev/hdcX ?
[07:31] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: kubuntu wasn't available when i put kde on
[07:31] <johnwl> Ubuntu looks like someone pooed on it
[07:32] <out_of_focus> then change your theme
[07:32] <jsgotangco> lol because its brown?
[07:32] <johnwl> nah its growing on me
[07:32] <Fr0d0> Quad: give me a debian that has the features of Ubuntu and I would agree with you, but debian is behind trying to reinvent the wheel while Mepis, Ubuntu, Knoppix is using their foundation to make real distros
[07:32] <tga> da_bon_bon: are the partitions the same size?
[07:32] <Zotnix> |QuaD-, they seem to give out licenses a lot to regular people.
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: ok, so will u upgrade to 3.4 ??
[07:32] <tga> Fr0d0: ubuntu _is_ debian
[07:32] <johnwl> Ubuntu is the only brown thing ive ever liked
[07:32] <jsgotangco> Mepis is good too
[07:32] <Zotnix> I guess their revenue comes from big companies.
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> tga: yes, i will make it that if needed
[07:32] <out_of_focus> isn't Mepis like Ubuntu's "big competition"?
[07:32] <tga> da_bon_bon: you could just go dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hda2
[07:32] <jsgotangco> sort of
[07:33] <Fr0d0> Ubuntu is not debian, go to debian room and say what you just said, and they will crucify you
[07:33] <helio7> hello all; does anyone have any recommendations for a linux-friendly pcmcia wifi card for my laptop?  I've heard good things about orinoco and prism chipsets, but was thinking of trying to find one that was "G" band... anyone using such a thing care to report about it?
[07:33] <tga> da_bon_bon: do that off a livecd though
[07:33] <|QuaD-> Fr0d0: what features????
[07:33] <Zotnix> I tried out VMWare 5 recently. License wore off.
[07:33] <da_bon_bon> tga: but will that move effectively ?? config and breakage problem!?
[07:33] <johnwl> Regardless of what the debian folks say Unbuntu is based on debian
[07:33] <|QuaD-> Zotnix: really? interesting
[07:33] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: yeah
[07:33] <|QuaD-> Zotnix: this is a non expiring license
[07:33] <Zotnix> Was a trial version.
[07:33] <jsgotangco> helio7: my Dlink DWL-G650+ works in Ubuntu but using Ndiswrapper
[07:33] <|QuaD-> Zotnix: this is a full version :)
[07:33] <Fr0d0> duh...based on debian IS NOT FRIGGIN DEBIAN
[07:33] <tga> da_bon_bon: after you move it mount it end change /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:34] <jsgotangco> it has debian roots
[07:34] <viper12> helio7, on the inexpensive side....I'm using the netgear wifi 'g' (54meg wifi) card.........works like a charm. (without ndis).
[07:34] <johnwl> whatever
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> tga: have u tried it yourself ?
[07:34] <|QuaD-> Fr0d0: what features does debian not have?
[07:34] <tga> da_bon_bon: I can't think of any other places that directly mention the partition
[07:34] <out_of_focus> Ubuntu is debian that actually updated.
[07:34] <Zotnix> Well, the trial version IS the full version. It just doesn't let you start a virtual machine after 30 days
[07:34] <jsgotangco> bleeding edge debian
[07:34] <out_of_focus> the last major release of Debian was in 2002!
[07:34] <tga> da_bon_bon: I never needed to, but I'd expect it to work
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> tga: cant i resize ext3 using any tools ?
[07:34] <helio7> jsgotangco: I've read about using Ndiswrapper is there any con to it besides the setup time?  viper12: what's the model number on that netgear card you have?
[07:35] <johnwl> Just wait until Ubuntu swallows debian..woo that will piss them off
[07:35] <viper12> what some people don't realize is that Debian is TOO updated....its called the "sid" branch, and this is what ubuntu is based on.
[07:35] <tga> da_bon_bon: parted/qtparted might do it but there's always a chance you'll trash the partition
[07:35] <out_of_focus> haha
[07:35] <Fr0d0> If I use cubism (who was developed by Picasso) do I become Picasso too?
[07:35] <|QuaD-> viper12: EXACTLY, ubuntu is basically sid
[07:35] <tga> erm?
[07:35] <|QuaD-> with a few small changes
[07:35] <jsgotangco> helio7: Ndiswrapper isn't that complicated really
[07:35] <tga> hoary is basically sid, warty is basically sarge
[07:35] <viper12> helio7, I'm using the wg311 card....netgear has a newer 'rev' of that card (same model number) that performs better, but I'm happy with this one as is.
[07:36] <|QuaD-> tga: kinda, warty is like and old sid but newer than sarge
[07:36] <Fr0d0> just because Ubuntu uses the same foundation doesnt make it Debian...
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> tga: qtparted has trashed my disk more than once! qtparted sucks!
[07:36] <helio7> viper12 & jsgotangco thanks so much
[07:36] <jsgotangco> helio7: but you would be better off getting prism chipset cards because they are natively supported
[07:36] <tga> da_bon_bon: same here :)
[07:36] <viper12> np helio.
[07:36] <|QuaD-> Fr0d0: what is debian missing that ubuntu has?
[07:36] <|QuaD-> or mepis has?
[07:36] <out_of_focus> has anybody here tried Ubuntu on a PowerPC machine?
[07:36] <jsgotangco> the poo color
[07:36] <viper12> jsgo......any card that DOESNT need ndiswrapper is 'natively' supported.
[07:36] <tga> |QuaD-: cool chick on the gdm theme
[07:36] <johnwl> Ubuntu on debian: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[07:36] <jsgotangco> YAHHH
[07:36] <|QuaD-> tga: yeah... haha
[07:37] <johnwl> Ubuntpoo
[07:37] <Fr0d0> Quad, a sane way of putting all the pieces together
[07:37] <jsgotangco> who is the cool chick anyway
[07:37] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: yes
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> anyone has tried gparted ?
[07:37] <viper12> must be another slow 'patch' day judging from this convo.
[07:37] <jsgotangco> how come we dont see wiki entries of them at all
[07:37] <viper12> da-bon...I use gparted...really like it.
[07:37] <out_of_focus> how does it run on PPC compared to x86?
[07:37] <tga> da_bon_bon: I believe qtparted and gparted are just frontends to the same thing
[07:37] <|QuaD-> Fr0d0: a. thats not a feature, that is included packages. b. you can get debian with what you want
[07:38] <viper12> I tried qtparted, and found the interface really bugged.  the gparted is just 'cleaner'.
[07:38] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: very well, at least here on an iBook G4 768MB RAM
[07:38] <out_of_focus> can i use the same packages on the ppc version as the x86 one uses?
[07:38] <tga> I don't really see the point of Ubuntu, I believe the work should have went into Debian
[07:38] <thoreauputic> more or less, yes
[07:38] <Fr0d0> you can put Ubuntu on what you want too...with about as much ease of configuring pure Debian
[07:38] <crimsun> there will remain inevitable comparisions between debian and ubuntu. let us just leave it at "ubuntu is based on debian."
[07:38] <|QuaD-> ok ignorant people like Fr0d0 make me mad so i am going to bed
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> tga: no, qtparted uses a library if its own - whereas gparted doesnt
[07:38] <|QuaD-> night all
[07:38] <tga> night |QuaD-
[07:38] <Echylo> gnight
[07:39] <Fr0d0> ? Igonorant? you come praising Debian over Ubuntu in an Ubuntu room and you call me ignorant??
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: night
[07:39] <jsgotangco> heh you still cant deny that ubuntu came from debian
[07:39] <out_of_focus> I'm currently on a BLAZING 350Mhz G4 with 384MB of RAM..
[07:39] <Echylo> hey hey
[07:39] <Echylo> join #war
[07:39] <jsgotangco> only shows how GOOD debian is
[07:39] <thoreauputic> guys... #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:39] <viper12> tga? huh? the point?  the point is that  any distro has its own 'focus' and goals.  ubuntu wanted to do somethings differently than the debian 'main'....and their work and community is showing up beautifully.
[07:39] <jsgotangco> #ubuntu-war
[07:39] <Echylo> jup
[07:39] <goldfish_> Ubuntu is based on debian jsgotangco.
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: bob2 started it
[07:39] <johnwl> thats the beauty of open source
[07:39] <Fr0d0> Go to Debian room then
[07:40] <jsgotangco> I KNOW
[07:40] <tga> viper12: thing is I don't see much difference at the moment
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[07:40] <tga> it might just branch off later, like Mandrake vs RedHat or something
[07:40] <out_of_focus> what would you say is Ubuntu's biggest weakness?
[07:40] <jsgotangco> :D
[07:40] <viper12> I certainly do......from community differences, to support, to fast updates and fixes. shrugs.
[07:40] <jsgotangco> the poo color?
[07:40] <out_of_focus> because all distros have some sort of weakness
[07:40] <tga> out_of_focus: the colour?
[07:40] <helio7> viper12 did you say your wg311 is pcmcia or pci? laptop or desktop?
[07:40] <out_of_focus> haha
[07:41] <bob2> please stay on-topic, guys
[07:41] <johnwl> that shirtless guy on the homepage
[07:41] <Zotnix> out_of_focus, lack of "configuration" tools.
[07:41] <hayden> is mplayer available from apt-get
[07:41] <bob2> or daniels will come in
[07:41] <bob2> hayden: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:41] <jsgotangco> shirtless guy lol
[07:41] <viper12> the wg311 is a pci based wifi card.  are you looking for laptop wifi?
[07:41] <tga> it's all on topic bob2
[07:41] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: well, I'd be happier if it added entries to the menu  better ...
[07:41] <viper12> hayden it is.......if you turn on universe/multiverse in the repos.
[07:41] <johnwl> the installer needs some work..partitioning throws a lot of ppl off
[07:41] <helio7> viper12 yes laptop wifi is what I'm looking for
[07:41] <bob2> no, this sounds an awful lot like trolling
[07:42] <tga> at least we're trolling on topic
[07:42] <Fr0d0> I was able to make a menu editor with php from delltony's forum entry and it works great
[07:42] <out_of_focus> how long does it take to install Ubuntu?
[07:42] <weas3661> can anyone here help a newbie...just have one question..
[07:42] <Echylo> 1 hour on a P2
[07:42] <goldfish_> weas3661: ask away
[07:42] <viper12> I'm a big netgear fan, so a lil' biased, so other than a specific model number ( i don't know it) the 'g' pcmcia card should work just fine. (no issues of any break nature in the forums regarding them.)
[07:42] <weas3661> out of focus...just did an install...not too long
[07:42] <helio7> viper12 it seems i *just* read a great review of a netgear pcmcia wifi card that actually advertises as "linux friendly" but can't find it atm
[07:42] <Zotnix> out_of_focus, not long. Here it took 30 minutes.
[07:42] <Zotnix> 1.13 GHz AMD though.
[07:42] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: it's quick
[07:42] <Fr0d0> The install of Ubuntu is about 30 minutes on an AMD 2400+ puter
[07:42] <out_of_focus> oh goodie then
[07:43] <weas3661> my mouse is NOT working with ubuntu...it won't move at all
[07:43] <tga> weas3661: what kind of mouse is it?
[07:43] <Echylo> why you need a mouse for?
[07:43] <weas3661> logitech wheel mouse
[07:43] <Echylo> :roll:
[07:43] <out_of_focus> i don't see how a mouse wouldn't work...
[07:43] <tga> weas3661: is it plugged in?
[07:43] <viper12> helio7........are you checking the www.netgear.com site?  products are pretty easy to locate on it.
[07:43] <weas3661> echylo...i'm a newbie...i tried sourcemage...but just wanted a desktop for now
[07:43] <Fr0d0> and the install is extremely intuitive and updates everything right away
[07:43] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: the default install just includes a basic set of apps - quite well chosen though
[07:43] <out_of_focus> try the mouse on another computer
[07:43] <weas3661> yes...it is plugged in...it works fine with windows
[07:44] <tga> weas3661: is it plugged in on PS2 or USB?
[07:44] <weas3661> so i'm thinking it's a driver problem...but i have no clue how to fix it
[07:44] <helio7> viper12 yeah thanks, I'm there now, was trying to actually locate 3rd party reviews from a linux pov, but yes, i have a tab open on netgear.com
[07:44] <out_of_focus> but things like Java and Flash need to be installed, right?
[07:44] <weas3661> it's plugged into a usb
[07:44] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: hardware issues are less likely on ppc, I'd say
[07:44] <viper12> My laptop usses the intel centrino 2100 'b' stuff natively and has worked with hoary and warty with no issues, so I'm not even looking for another one there. :)
[07:44] <out_of_focus> i used the LiveCd on my P4 system and it worked perfectly
[07:44] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: yes,, restricted formats...
[07:44] <johnwl> did you try unplugging the mouse and plugging it back in?
[07:45] <out_of_focus> but i'm waiting until i get a new mobo before i go and install ubuntu
[07:45] <weas3661> yep...tried that...tried plugging it into a different usb port as well, but that didn't work either
[07:45] <aristocrat> can anyone point to me from where "/bin2/sh" comes from?
[07:45] <moyogo> how does one change the keyboard layout for the whole system, not just the current user?
[07:45] <out_of_focus> my current mobo has 2 malfunctioned ram slots--they don't work correctly.
[07:45] <out_of_focus> only 1 of the ram slots works correctly
[07:45] <out_of_focus> so i can only have 256mb of ram
[07:45] <crimsun> aristocrat: no such link/file
[07:46] <aristocrat> well actually there is. initrd-tools uses this :S
[07:46] <out_of_focus> since the largest sticks i have are 256mb ones..
[07:46] <Fr0d0> I used Mepis for about 5 months and like it, but Ubuntu has overtaken Mepis in my opinion in many ways...speed is one of them
[07:46] <crimsun> aristocrat: if you mean "/bin/sh", that's provided by bash
[07:46] <aristocrat> nope, /bin2/sh which is used by init in initrd-tools
[07:46] <out_of_focus> I wonder how Doom 3 would run on Ubuntu...
[07:46] <tga> moyogo: you could try sticking `setxkbmap FOO` into a file sourced by all users, like /etc/profile
[07:47] <Fr0d0> With cedega, quite well...
[07:47] <weas3661> i just wish my mouse would work...that'd make me happy
[07:47] <out_of_focus> is cedega like wine?
[07:47] <viper12> reports on doom3 in the forums seem to have happy people. (with the emulators of course.)
[07:47] <Fr0d0> cedega is wine on steroids
[07:47] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: yes, winex
[07:47] <crimsun> aristocrat: ah, I see, e.g., from /usr/share/initrd-tools/init
[07:48] <johnwl> weas2661: a thread on usb mouse issues - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9887&highlight=mouse
[07:48] <out_of_focus> because on the idsoftware site it said how to run doom 3 on linux by copying some files off the windows cd and such
[07:48] <Quarupt> does mplayer have like a bar or something with buttons?
[07:48] <weas3661> thank you
[07:48] <tga> weas3661: try to `cat /dev/input/mice` into a console and move your mouse, see if you get anything
[07:48] <out_of_focus> but it didn't sound like it was emulated
[07:48] <aristocrat> crimsun, right...that _exact_one
[07:48] <viper12> yes it has buttons and bars quarupt. (if you get the ui modules.)
[07:48] <stingaa> can someone help me with my usb wireless adapter
[07:48] <jsgotangco> hmm
[07:48] <Quarupt> whats the packages called?
[07:48] <Zotnix> Regarding mice, I had to enable DOS USB support in my BIOS.
[07:48] <tga> Quarupt: you can use gmplayer
[07:48] <Quarupt> thx
[07:49] <Fr0d0> I burned dvd on Ubuntu tonight, it did very well too, I used dvdbackup, wine, dvd shrink and k3b...it took about 40 minutes all together to rip 4.7 gigs
[07:49] <jsgotangco> bbl
[07:49] <Quarupt> You had to use wine?
[07:49] <Quarupt> theres no good dvd backup software for linux?
[07:49] <Fr0d0> you can rip without wine, but not shrink
[07:49] <stingaa> guess not
[07:49] <tga> you can probably shrink too
[07:49] <crimsun> aristocrat: see http://mail.plug.linux.org.au/pipermail/plug/2004-August/056102.html
[07:50] <rommerUB> why isnt firefox 1.0.1 available in apt-get
[07:50] <Zotnix> Also, if you notice you can't get full screen in videos on mplayer try changing vo=x11 to vo=xv in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[07:50] <tga> you can transcode dvds with vobcopy and mencoder
[07:50] <Fr0d0> tell me how and I will do it
[07:50] <Fr0d0> transcode sux
[07:50] <moyogo> tga: there's no clean way like base-config or something similar?
[07:50] <viper12> never had that prob zot
[07:50] <Quarupt> i want a good game to play
[07:50] <Quarupt> anything good packaged?
[07:50] <crimsun> nethack and its variants ;-)
[07:50] <tga> moyogo: I'm not sure moyogo
[07:50] <Fr0d0> Quarupt...armagetron...addictive online
[07:51] <johnwl> i play enemy territory..runs great on linux
[07:51] <viper12> what no topless women to watch in netmeeting tonight quarupt?  lmao
[07:51] <moyogo> tga: thanks anyway i'll keep looking
[07:51] <bob2> keep it clean, people
[07:51] <tga> enemy territory is fun for a while
[07:51] <Fr0d0> yes, only clean topless ladies
[07:51] <johnwl> i dunno ive been addicted since release..not sure why
[07:51] <viper12> keep what clean bob?
[07:51] <Quarupt> viper12, no, fucking netmeeting
[07:51] <tga> my laptop cured my addiction.. no 3D acceleration for now..
[07:51] <johnwl> that would do it
[07:52] <Fr0d0> Why TGA?
[07:52] <bob2> by "clean", I mean "above the level of 14 year old boys"
[07:52] <tga> why I have no 3D accel?
[07:52] <Quarupt> lmao
[07:52] <Fr0d0> Im 13
[07:52] <johnwl> can any man rise above that level?
[07:52] <Fr0d0> Yes
[07:52] <Quarupt> oh i need 3d accel?
[07:52] <Quarupt> damn ATI
[07:52] <tga> to play games? it's helpful..
[07:52] <Fr0d0> Ati is well supported in Ubuntu
[07:52] <viper12> If you are referring to my statement about topless women.......that was in reference to his miserable problems trying to get linux going with a webcam last night.
[07:53] <Quarupt> Fr0d0, no its not, theres no packaged 3d accel
[07:53] <aristocrat> crimsun, i had seen it earlier, but what does it mean? :)
[07:53] <johnwl> i wouldnt say well supported since when you install it it says "Not tested with ATI blah blah"
[07:53] <Fr0d0> download kernel source and get the tarball , compile....
[07:53] <Quarupt> there is no 3D accel for Ubuntu/ATI
[07:53] <weas3661> okay...i'm about to try what that post said...wish me luck
[07:53] <tga> that's probably the kernel
[07:54] <johnwl> gl weas
[07:54] <viper12> quarupt that is so not true.  (on 3d accel ati machine typing at you at the moment.)
[07:54] <Quarupt> viper12, what?
[07:54] <Fr0d0> it isn't that hard to set up 3d with ati
[07:54] <Quarupt> no i have checked no drivers for ATI 3d accel in any sources
[07:55] <johnwl> its not really an ubuntu issue tho is it..ATI is not generally as well supported in linux environments as nvidia..thats my understanding
[07:55] <viper12> quarupt, there are plenty of howtos in the forums on getting ati setup just fine.
[07:55] <Fr0d0> TGA mobility 6?
[07:55] <Quarupt> it is set up just fine
[07:55] <tga> Fr0d0: 320M IGP
[07:55] <viper12> johnwi.......it IS true that nvidia supports better, but the ati drivers work okay as well.
[07:55] <Fr0d0> that is mobility
[07:55] <Quarupt> there is no support for 3D accel is what im saying the ATI driver works fine
[07:55] <Fr0d0> there is a module
[07:56] <viper12> and you are incorrect in saying that there is no 3d accel.
[07:56] <Quarupt> lmao
[07:56] <tga> Fr0d0: I poked around for 30 mins or so and couldn't get it to do 3D
[07:56] <Quarupt> I said PACKAGED for UBUNTU did anyone else here this?
[07:56] <Quarupt> flamers, this is not a channel for you
[07:57] <Fr0d0> In many distros, Nvidia is not packaged either....it is so easy to install anyway
[07:57] <johnwl> lets all take off our shirts and hold hands like on the home page
[07:57] <viper12> lol john.
[07:57] <Quarupt> johnwl, LMFAo, that was funny
[07:57] <crimsun> err
[07:58] <Fr0d0> I have ati mobility on my laptop and have 3d right now
[07:58] <goldfish_> LOL
[07:58] <crimsun> the ati and nvidia drivers in linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) provide that
[07:58] <tga> Fr0d0: what did you have to do to get it going?
[07:58] <viper12> as do I frodo.
[07:58] <viper12> smooth as silk i might add.
[07:58] <crimsun> you will also have to install nvidia-glx or ati's gl[x]  libs
[07:58] <crimsun> see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:58] <chillywilly> is esound still currently being replaces by polypaudio in hoary or did that change? cause now when I run dist-upgrade it does not want to rip esound out anymore
[07:58] <Fr0d0> download source, looked for ati tarball compiled, it is easy
[07:58] <chillywilly> replaced*
[07:59] <tga> Fr0d0, viper12: ok, I'll reboot to Ubuntu and come bug you guys about getting 3D to work
[07:59] <viper12> np tga. :)
[07:59] <crimsun> chillywilly: yes, polypaudio supercedes it
[07:59] <johnwl> ok everyone log out j/k
[08:00] <Fr0d0> unless he has a very exotic ati card, it should be a piece of cake
[08:00] <viper12> yep....like changing one line in xorg.conf.  lol
[08:00] <Echylo> cya all school time
[08:00] <Fr0d0> lol...
[08:01] <Quarupt> crisum, wanna help me set up my 3d accel then?
[08:01] <viper12> frodo are you using any options under the ati 'device' section?  I didn't bother with any and haven't had any issues....just curious.
[08:01] <crimsun> Quarupt: is your hardware supported? did you follow the wiki page's directions?
[08:02] <Quarupt> i dunno
[08:02] <chillywilly> crimsun: but that's not what I asked because to me it seems like this i not the case anymore as it does not want to remove esound and install polypaudio like it did before
[08:02] <Quarupt> i have been reading wiki for so long i really dun wanna go into another HUGE project
[08:02] <crimsun> Quarupt: ok, we'll start with the first question: what video card?
[08:02] <Quarupt> ATI All In Wonder 9600 pro
[08:03] <thoreauputic> hmm - no ubuntu-calendar-march yet?
[08:04] <crimsun> chillywilly: it's actually fairly simple to trace: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop|grep polypaudio-  returns polypaudio-alsa, and apt-cache show polypaudio-alsa  returns a polypaudio in Depends
[08:05] <crimsun> chillywilly: esound only has to be removed once ;-)
[08:07] <viper12> brb
[08:09] <crimsun> Quarupt: the 9600 series is supported, yes
[08:09] <Quarupt> okay
[08:09] <crimsun> Quarupt: whether the full feature set is supported is another story
[08:09] <Quarupt> so whats the first think i need to install?
[08:09] <crimsun> Quarupt: please see the BinaryDriverHowto ...
[08:09] <thoreauputic> crimsun: any idea if the ubuntu-calendar for march is available yet?
[08:10] <johnwl> anyone run set@home?
[08:10] <johnwl> er seti@home
[08:10] <chillywilly> crimsun: oh well then I guess I will just wait until my sound is b0rked again
[08:11] <viper12> john..I looked at it.........they're moving all their stuff to 'boinc' and I've found that to be bugged all to hell atm.
[08:11] <crimsun> thoreauputic: not yet.
[08:11] <johnwl> yeah i installed it but they've been down
[08:11] <viper12> i ran seti@home for 6 years until some brain surgeon decided boinc was better.
[08:11] <thoreauputic> crimsun: OK -thanks - apt-cahe search came up empty so I figured that was the case :)
[08:12] <Quarupt> crisum where is that?
[08:12] <johnwl> keep that guy away from my brain lol
[08:12] <crimsun> Quarupt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:12] <viper12> of course seti is 'saturated' right now anyway.....they have so many users that they don't have enough data to pass around......pretty ironc actually.
[08:12] <viper12> er...ironic..
[08:12] <johnwl> ive heard so many stories of ppl getting fired for it im surprised use hasnt leveled off
[08:13] <thoreauputic> viper12: well, there's folding@home (good cause)
[08:13] <viper12> fired........for seti? huh?
[08:13] <viper12> thor.........folding?
[08:13] <viper12> you pullin' mah leg?
[08:13] <johnwl> yeah we actually had a few state empluyees fired for installing it in labs and stuff
[08:13] <tga> apparently if you fsck up the / line in /etc/fstab the system doesn't come back up
[08:13] <johnwl> use of state resources lol
[08:13] <thoreauputic> viper12: protein folding calculations I think
[08:14] <tga> mm I love this gtk theme.. gonxical
[08:14] <viper12> oh that one.  nods.  duh.  lol.........actually there is one I'm thinking of hooking up with....a new 'gravity' study is getting ready to start....huge amounts of calcs required.
[08:14] <johnwl> is the client available yet?
[08:15] <johnwl> theres another one..wired.com has the story...searching for planets and if you find one you get to name it
[08:15] <thoreauputic> http://folding.stanford.edu/
[08:15] <viper12> its under boinc, unfortunately.......so I'm waiting another 'rev' with berkley's coders on it.
[08:15] <tga> viper12: so what video card do you have in your lappy?
[08:15] <coroner> there would be more support for such distrobuted clients i feel if the results found were better published
[08:15] <viper12> or stanford's.....always forget which university is responsible for boinc.  and TGA.......my laptop is the 9200 mobility.
[08:16] <tga> viper12: that explains it why it works for you.. I don't think the 320M is supported by the same drivers
[08:17] <viper12> the ati fglrx drivers are s'posed (keyword) support a wide range of ati cards...but its possible tga.  I do remember reading something about 320m in the forums, but as I'm not using that flavor...shrugs.
[08:18] <viper12> tga, do you have the fglrx stuff on your machine?
[08:18] <viper12> and in the line in xorg replacing 'ati' in the device section?
[08:18] <viper12> that, literally is all it took to get me rolling.
[08:19] <tga> viper12: I have Driver "radeon" atm
[08:19] <tga> however FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-386/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): No such device
[08:20] <viper12> you need to apt-get the fglrx drivers and after installing them, change the xorg or xfree (depending on warty/hoary) to say fglrx where it used to say 'radeon'.
[08:20] <tga> viper12: it would seem that the fglrx module doesn't recognize my card
[08:21] <viper12> no...................
[08:21] <viper12> tga, you've GOT to use the 686 kernel for that to work.
[08:21] <viper12> i'm on 2.6.10-4
[08:21] <viper12> t686
[08:21] <viper12> er...686
[08:22] <xed_> So.. I got Ubuntu installed and whatnot..
[08:22] <xed_> now i got a quick question..
[08:22] <viper12> shoot xed.
[08:22] <tga> I'm on 2.6.10-3
[08:22] <viper12> its the 386 that's the problem tga.
[08:22] <tga> no it's not, it matches my kernel
[08:22] <xed_> viper12, I need me sound! me sound!!!
[08:22] <xed_> I updated and everything from ze net as well before booting up. =\
[08:22] <tga> you sound fine xed
[08:23] <viper12> tga?????
[08:23] <tga> Linux
[08:23] <tga> Linux idefix 2.6.10-3-386 #1 Tue Feb 15 21:18:07 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:23] <tga> viper12: I have a -386 kernel, that's all
[08:23] <xed_> tga: eh?
[08:23] <viper12> yeah, and you NEED to upgrad to the 2.6.10-4-686 kernel
[08:23] <johnwl> xed: grats
[08:23] <xed_> grats?
[08:23] <xed_> what?
[08:23] <viper12> or even the 2.6.10-3-686 version.
[08:23] <xed_> Oh
[08:24] <tga> viper12: the platform optimizations don't change anything
[08:24] <xed_> Congrats
[08:24] <xed_> johnw1: And all I needed to do was destroy windows and re-install it.
[08:24] <viper12> yes........they........do. (after mucho checking and looking.)
[08:24] <johnwl> xed: the best thing to do after install is go through the ap section of the unofficial starter guide: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[08:24] <thoreauputic> tga: in this case I believe viper12 is right ( for ati etc)
[08:24] <viper12> however, that still might be an issue with the 320m
[08:24] <rommerUB> why is mplayer so hard to install?
[08:25] <johnwl> rommer did you try the starter guide?
[08:25] <tga> maybe I am missing something here, I'll go look for a newer kernel
[08:25] <tga> rommerUB: it's not
[08:25] <GammaRay> so xine can be easy to install
[08:25] <viper12> you don't have sound xed?  laptop/desktop?  warty or hoary ubuntu?  and sound card?
[08:25] <rommerUB> how do i install it then tga
[08:26] <Slack_Rox> Is there much of s speed drop between slack and ubuntu? anyone know?
[08:26] <GammaRay> Slack_Rox: why would you think there is any?
[08:26] <xed_> why is my fan constantly running..>?
[08:26] <jdub> Slack_Rox: a system is only as fast as you perceive it.
[08:26] <tga> rommerUB: add the marillat-debian source to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get install mplayer
[08:26] <thoreauputic> tga:  apt-cache search linux-image | grep 686
[08:26] <xed_> for my laptop that is
[08:26] <xed_> why1? WHY!!!?
[08:27] <xed_> Its loud and annoying =(
[08:27] <crimsun> rommerUB: you need to add two sources if you're running warty
[08:27] <xed_> I need it on lower power settings..
[08:27] <GammaRay> jdub: oh and as fast as it can encode ogg
[08:27] <tga> thoreauputic: k7 in my case, I'm already doing it
[08:27] <crimsun> rommerUB: afaik, mplayer works fine.
[08:27] <xed_> how do I go about doing that?
[08:27] <johnwl> i would imagine slack is faster (just a guess) but there are so many variables thats hard to say
[08:27] <viper12> okay you're saying that the sound IS working?  its just too loud?
[08:27] <tga> xed_: what kind of laptop is that?
[08:27] <Slack_Rox> I'm only asking because I have seen in forums others saying ubuntu is slower than slack... Is why I was looking for an objective opinion on the matter from someone who has possibly ran both...
[08:27] <GammaRay> johnwl: quite an imagination you have there :-P
[08:28] <tga> my fan tends to run more in linux than in winxp, really annoying in quiet rooms
[08:28] <johnwl> slackwarehas always had a reputation for being fast
[08:28] <rommerUB> how do i get a gui for mplayer
[08:28] <crimsun> rommerUB: gmplayer
[08:28] <xed_> tga: Toshiba Satellite A70
[08:28] <tga> nothing is as fast as Gentoo *hides*
[08:28] <viper12> slack.......i've read several reviews of ubuntu and the one thing all agreed upon was that it IS fast.  slack is the 'standard' benchmark, and although its probably quicker......ubuntu is no slouch.
[08:28] <xed_> tga: how did you go about turning off your fan?
[08:28] <GammaRay> tga: gah
[08:28] <jdub> johnwl: not necessarily based on reality or rational thought.
[08:29] <rommerUB> how do i install gmplayer ;)
[08:29] <GammaRay> viper12: what exactly where they measuring?
[08:29] <johnwl> if your on a relatively decent machine (2-3 years old) it probably wont matter which distro you go with
[08:29] <GoneBoB> johnwl: or indeed on any machine
[08:29] <viper12> gamma, most of the reivews (via distrowatch and a few others like osnews) were talking about boot up and overall 'responsiveness.)
[08:29] <crimsun> rommerUB: it's included in the mplayer* package
[08:29] <rommerUB> ok
[08:29] <xed_> xed@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[08:29] <xed_> Reading Package Lists... Done
[08:29] <xed_> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[08:29] <xed_> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[08:30] <tga> xed_: I have an Athlon so I modprobe powernow_k7, then poke around /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
[08:30] <Slack_Rox> So I wouldn't see some huge performance drop then eh?
[08:30] <xed_> tga: that.. means ... nothing to me.
[08:30] <GammaRay> viper12: overall responsivenessis silly..
[08:30] <crimsun> xed_: enable multiverse
[08:30] <johnwl> yeah you can drop to the command line and be smoking fast on just about anything i guess
[08:30] <xed_> crimsun..! THATS the person who helped me before!
[08:30] <xed_> I remember now!
[08:30] <xed_> I forgot .. I know I have to edit a certain file to enable it
[08:31] <tga> you're it crimsun
[08:31] <xed_> I can't remmeber the file name
[08:31] <GammaRay> if they all run the same software.. I think they will be about the same.
[08:31] <Slack_Rox> brb
[08:31] <xed_> Ello?
[08:31] <xed_> Anyone?
[08:31] <xed_> Tell me how to enable mult-verse?
[08:31] <crimsun> xed_: you can add it using Synaptic>Settings>Repositories, or you can use an editor to add it manually to /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:31] <GammaRay> xed_: you must go to the dark portal
[08:31] <crimsun> xed_: the former method is probably more intuitive
[08:32] <viper12> not necessarily gammaray......for instance, if one were using an optimized and customized gentoo version of gnome, it would probably be tons quicker than say a 'stock' non optimized version of gnome running on another distro.
[08:32] <StudioGhibli> Hello. need help. Am running Debian unstable. but will reinstall. So want to try out Ubuntu, adn maybe stick to it. Which iso should i download? the new hoary iso?
[08:32] <tga> the latest kernel-image-2.6 seems to be 2.6.8-2
[08:32] <xed_> crimsun: I remember I did it with the latter method.. as thats how you told me to do it before.
[08:32] <tga> StudioGhibli: if you run debian unstable you can download any iso, then upgrade to the greatest latest thing
[08:32] <viper12> tga, if you're repositories are opened to 'universe/multi in hoary, the newer kernels are there.)
[08:32] <tga> thanks vincent_
[08:32] <tga> viper12 rather
[08:33] <viper12> np
[08:33] <GammaRay> viper12: nope. Any distro worth it's salt optimizes for x86 about as much as it can already.
[08:33] <xed_> crimsun, remind me has to how I can get my sound working again?
[08:33] <StudioGhibli> tga: can i dist-upgrade to unstable to Ubuntu?
[08:33] <crimsun> tga: for warty, <IP_ADDRESS>-5-*
[08:33] <StudioGhibli> tga: can i dist-upgrade from unstable to Ubuntu?
[08:33] <viper12> not here to argue with you gamma.......but lets just agree to disagree on that one and let it lie.
[08:33] <thoreauputic> StudioGhibli: you can dist-upgrade warty> hoary, yeah
[08:33] <crimsun> StudioGhibli: search the wiki. The short answer: yes. The long answer: not recommended, you'll have headaches.
[08:33] <StudioGhibli> crimsun: oops.
[08:33] <GammaRay> viper12: I don't see any new insights on compilers from gentoo
[08:34] <StudioGhibli> headaches is not something i want. already have one from flu
[08:34] <xed_> crimsun, how do I enable the multiverse?
[08:34] <xed_> with the sources.list file that is
[08:34] <johnwl> starter guide tells you how zed
[08:34] <StudioGhibli> thoreauputic: no. i use Debian. Unstable. Want to try Ubuntu.
[08:34] <johnwl> xed
[08:34] <crimsun> StudioGhibli: if you'd like to try Ubuntu, why not try the Array-6 images?
[08:34] <thoreauputic> StudioGhibli: OK - got it (bit slow)
[08:34] <crimsun> StudioGhibli: (/topic)
[08:35] <xed_> Does the starter guide tell me how to get my fan to not be so loud?
[08:35] <xed_> (for my laptop tha tis)
[08:35] <StudioGhibli> yeah. just copied that URL to the browser.
[08:35] <johnwl> the installer should pop up that starter guide as soon as new users log in
[08:35] <johnwl> lol
[08:35] <StudioGhibli> thoreauputic: hehe.
[08:35] <viper12> i so agree with that john. lol
[08:35] <Quarupt> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:35] <Quarupt>   fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xfree86 (>= 4.3)
[08:35] <Quarupt> E: Broken packages
[08:35] <Quarupt> so i need xfree86 to install the ATI modules for 3d accel?
[08:35] <johnwl> seriously if people would just follow the first half of that they would save a ton of time
[08:36] <StudioGhibli> Does hoary install clean and neat on a IBM thinkpad? T41p.
[08:36] <viper12> that was the FIRST thing I did......after install......and read it through BEFORE install.
[08:36] <xed_> So.. the starter guide doesn't really tell me how to shut off my noisy fan.. =/
[08:36] <StudioGhibli> without tweaking around for a couple of days?
[08:36] <StudioGhibli> xed: heh
[08:36] <johnwl> xed: WD40 :)
[08:36] <jdub> StudioGhibli: yes
[08:37] <viper12> studio.....if you've got the bandwidth..........why not download the array6 live cd and see?
[08:37] <xed_> ... that .. really wouldn't help me.
[08:37] <tga> viper12: I seem to have universe in my hoary sources but I can't see anything newer than 2.6.8
[08:37] <paleblue> hello
[08:37] <xed_> johnwl, wd40.. really wouldn't help me with that..
[08:37] <Quarupt> so...
[08:37] <StudioGhibli> jdub: nice :) i'd love that.
[08:37] <Panzerboy> tga: that's because you've been a baaaaad boy :-)
[08:37] <johnwl> xed: my mini atx is noisy too
[08:37] <StudioGhibli> Can i copy my /home/username and stuff will work fine?
[08:37] <tga> hah, everyone knows that
[08:38] <raggedgentleman> paleblue, lo
[08:38] <paleblue> can anyone help me to change the resolution that gdm uses?
[08:38] <StudioGhibli> i'll try that first .if it does'nt work out, will rip it out.
[08:38] <tga> StudioGhibli: if you run the same version apps yes
[08:38] <Quarupt> anyone know why i cant find the Xorg fglrx package?
[08:38] <viper12> tga, I should the 2.6.10-4 kernel in the 'base' section..........are you using synaptic?
[08:39] <thewolf> When I use either the livecd or install cd the keyboard doesn't respond... what should I do?
[08:39] <StudioGhibli> the ubuntu sources already have a 2.6.11 kernel?
[08:39] <Quarupt> ?
[08:39] <tga> viper12: for some reason synaptic won't show the Repositories dialog. I'm doing it the old fashioned way
[08:39] <StudioGhibli> jdub: Does ubuntu run all spiffy on the thinkpad?
[08:39] <xed_> So.. no one bothered to explain as to how I could lower my .. or shut off my fan..
[08:39] <jdub> StudioGhibli: yes
[08:40] <StudioGhibli> yay
[08:40] <viper12> tga........when was the last time you updated stuff in hoary?
[08:40] <tga> xed_: what CPU do you have?
[08:40] <johnwl> thewolf: that happened to me (usb wireless keyboard) and i just plugged in an old ps2 keyboard to hit ENTER and then unplugged it and the wireless one worked the rest of the install
[08:40] <thewolf> I'm not sure if the install cd freezes, should the cursor blink?
[08:40] <tga> viper12: oh 5 minutes ago or so
[08:40] <Slack_Rox> hells the diff between the iso's in 4.10 and warty lol
[08:40] <xed> tga: P4
[08:40] <viper12> then apt-get reinstall the package manager, I'd say.......something sounds borked over there. :(
[08:40] <thewolf> johnwl, I'll try that. I have had similar problems with USB keyboards and linux
[08:41] <thewolf> Thanks, back soon if it fails and back much later if it works ;)
[08:41] <xed> tga, ?
[08:41] <johnwl> as soon as you hit enter unplug it and the usb one will probably work
[08:41] <StudioGhibli> only 3% of the download done :/
[08:41] <viper12> slack......what difference?  4.10 IS warty...maybe misunderstanding your question.
[08:42] <tga> xed: you need to load a cpu frequency scaling module and then tell it to use a lower frequency
[08:42] <tga> xed: I only know how to do it on an AMD system
[08:42] <Slack_Rox> oh on the mirrors they have a 4.10 dir and warty dir with same .iso's it looks like
[08:42] <xed> tga: Damn.. damnit all
[08:42] <xed> There's gotta be a way
[08:42] <tga> viper12: kernel-image-2.6-k7: Depends: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 but it is not installable
[08:42] <thoreauputic_> StudioGhibli: actually the nick is more about Civil Disobedience ;-)
[08:43] <viper12> k7?  what in gawds name do you want with a k7?  er.........tga, how hold is that box? lol
[08:43] <StudioGhibli> thoreauputic: :) i liked that book. -.-
[08:43] <xed> crimsun, think you could help me out with this issue?
[08:43] <Slack_Rox> Dont matter I'm pulling one now... gonna try it in vmware
[08:43] <StudioGhibli> thoreauputic: must've read it like 50 times.
[08:43] <crimsun> xed: which issue?
[08:43] <tga> viper12: afaik Athlons are K7
[08:43] <viper12> no
[08:44] <tga> viper12: does this look sensible? deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[08:44] <xed> crimsun, the fan.. its constantly running on my laptop... how do I make it so its silent....?
[08:44] <viper12> athlons (32bit processors) are 386/686 for the kernel.  the k7 is older chipset, and the amd64 processors require the amd specific kernel.
[08:44] <crimsun> xed: I'm not familiar w/ that; try searching the wiki
[08:44] <EndGame> xed, cut off all the fins
[08:44] <johnwl> lol
[08:44] <viper12> tga, that looks right.
[08:44] <viper12> lemme check mine. just sec.
[08:45] <Slack_Rox> lol
[08:45] <EndGame> or just unplug it
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> if something crashes on your sound device how do you free it back up?
[08:45] <xed> crimsun, thank you
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> with out rebooting
[08:45] <xed> EndGame,  har dee har har
[08:45] <EndGame> what the hell do you need a fan in a laptop anyways
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> cuz i gots no sounds
[08:45] <tga> viper12: just by the description, 686 is PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.
[08:45] <hayden> i tried to install mplayer but it says it depends on libartsc0, libfribidi0 and other things, how do i update them?
[08:45] <tga> viper12: and K7 is Duron/Athlon
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> but i did a minute agot
[08:45] <xed> EndGame, yeah! While I'm at it.. why not just DESTROY my laptop!
[08:45] <EndGame> what processor is it running?
[08:45] <xed> Infact, I think I don't need a PC.. I'll just go kill myself
[08:46] <xed> EndGame, Pentium 4 2.8GHz
[08:46] <tga> hayden: add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" to your sources.list, then install mplayer
[08:46] <EndGame> shit, its not worth it
[08:46] <viper12> no tga.  686 is applicable for the amd 32bit processors (athlon).
[08:46] <hayden> k
[08:46] <xed> EndGame, what's not worth it?
[08:46] <EndGame> a pentium
[08:46] <crimsun> hayden: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:46] <EndGame> :-)
[08:46] <Mr_Milenko> does anyone know where the GRUB binarie is in Ubuntu? im trying to setup webmin for it.. or is the binarie itself installed on the MBR?
[08:46] <xed> a pentium is not worth what?
[08:46] <Slack_Rox> Kill yourself cause yer fan is too loud in laptop?
[08:46] <EndGame> anything
[08:46] <Mr_Milenko> binary*
[08:46] <Mr_Milenko> damn im tired
[08:46] <raggedgentleman> how do you kill all programs using a specific device
[08:46] <crimsun> hayden: pay close attention to the section regarding which repositories you need to add
[08:46] <xed> EndGame, extremist, aren't you?
[08:46] <tga> Mr_Milenko: `which grub`
[08:47] <EndGame> gentoo on amd
[08:47] <hayden> URI:            ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:47] <hayden> Distribution:   testing (use unstable here if you are using hoary)
[08:47] <hayden> Section(s):     main
[08:47] <EndGame> that's where its at :-)
[08:47] <crimsun> hayden: repositorie_S_
[08:47] <tga> raggedgentleman: find them with `lsof | grep devicename`
[08:47] <EndGame> one of my roomies is running ubuntu, though
[08:47] <EndGame> its really easy, and good for beginners, i suggest it to all my windows friends
[08:47] <EndGame> its just not for me
[08:48] <Mr_Milenko> thanks
[08:48] <tga> true, Ubuntu is easier than vanilla Debian because it comes with a working desktop
[08:48] <hayden> crimsun: should i put testing main or unstable main at the end of the line
[08:48] <tga> hayden: are you using warty or hoary?
[08:48] <hayden> warty
[08:49] <tga> hayden: testing
[08:49] <hayden> ok
[08:49] <crimsun> hayden: (you need the repo listed below that one, too)
[08:49] <viper12> just checked...........tga.....currently the 340m isn't working with 3d rendering, so I'm guessing that the 320m.........ain't either. sorry to see that. :(
[08:49] <xed> This sucks
[08:49] <crimsun> hayden: (hence why I said repositorie_S_)
[08:49] <thoreauputic> hayden: funnily enough you just posted your own answer a few lines up ;/
[08:49] <raggedgentleman> tga, yay it worked thankyou kind sir
[08:49] <xed> I REALLY need to find a way to lower this fan
[08:49] <tga> synaptic: relocation error: synaptic: undefined symbol: _ZN10pkgAcquire3RunEi
[08:49] <xed> this is getting too LOUD
[08:50] <tga> aiiie :\
[08:50] <hayden> crimsun: soz, i dont understand what that means
[08:50] <tga> xed: wait until it starts to melt
[08:50] <tga> raggedgentleman: np, lsof is an useful tool
[08:50] <xed> tga: come on man =(
[08:50] <crimsun> hayden: there are two repositories you need to add. nerim.net is only one.
[08:50] <xed> I need to figure this out
[08:50] <hayden> ok
[08:50] <hayden> and your one
[08:50] <raggedgentleman> tga, and i never knew about him, so thnksX2 =oP
[08:51] <Quarupt> How can i see what driver Xorg is using? to test if i set up this ati driver right
[08:51] <hayden> should the line look like this: deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[08:51] <xed> I don't see anything in the guide here which could help me..
[08:52] <Quarupt> ...?
[08:52] <Mr_Milenko> is it possible to give GRUB a graphical menu?
[08:52] <johnwl> laptop fan thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13954
[08:52] <tga> Mr_Milenko: you can have a background picture, yes
[08:52] <Mr_Milenko> i mean without re-installing
[08:52] <crimsun> hayden: yes, the directions are explicit
[08:52] <Mr_Milenko> what would i have to change
[08:53] <tga> Mr_Milenko: you would have to configure and run grub again.. I've never done it though
[08:53] <Quarupt> How do i reconfigure Xorg?
[08:53] <tga> Quarupt: vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:53] <Quarupt> no the script
[08:53] <Quarupt> with dpkg
[08:53] <tga> dpkg-reconfigure xorg-something?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:53] <Quarupt> its like dpkg --reconfigure xorg or something
[08:54] <Quarupt> ya
[08:54] <xed> Created device node /dev/mwave .
[08:54] <xed> FATAL: Error inserting mwave (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/char/mwave/mwave.ko): Input/output error
[08:54] <xed> Starting Mwave modem: (module mwave did not load) /etc/init.d/mwavem: error: /dev/mwave does not exist.  Exiting.
[08:54] <xed> invoke-rc.d: initscript mwavem, action "start" failed.
[08:54] <xed> dpkg: error processing mwavem (--configure):
[08:54] <xed>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[08:54] <xed> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:54] <xed>  mwavem
[08:54] <thoreauputic> xed: DIE
[08:54] <xed> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:54] <xed> ahhhh SHIT
[08:54] <xed> Sorry sorry
[08:54] <xed> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:54] <xed> I only meant to copy and paste that
[08:54] <tga> xed: 1) paste in #flood 2) wtf is mwave?
[08:54] <xed> I don't know.. I wish I knew..
[08:54] <xed> This is getting really complicated
[08:54] <xed> But thats the error I'm getting .. repeatedly
[08:54] <xed> Trying to install anything .. and thats what I get
[08:55] <johnwl> did you google mwave?
[08:55] <Quarupt> howto restart gdm?
[08:55] <paleblue> can someone help me to set the resolution that gdm uses? the logon screen displays in a high res and it's only when gnome starts that I get my chosen 1024x768... also I've been trying to use fluxbox but it uses the higher resolution set by gdm
[08:55] <Quarupt> howto restart gdm?
[08:55] <tga> Quarupt: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:55] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:56] <tga> or just ctrl+alt+backspace in gdm
[08:56] <tga> I keep forgetting about the sudo part, I just sudo su in an xterm
[08:56] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: you've been told this before i think - keep notes?
[08:56] <johnwl> or just visit THE STARTER GUIIDE :)
[08:56] <Quarupt> No i havent actually
[08:57] <Anubis> gdm is broken
[08:57] <Anubis> it wont install
[08:57] <Anubis> it is linked to ubuntu artwork pacakge
[08:58] <tga> Anubis: are you dist-upgrading by any chance?
[08:58] <thoreauputic> tga: copy paste into a text editor is one way :) I have  file called "remeberthis.txt" ;-)
[08:59] <thoreauputic> doh *remember
[08:59] <xed> How do I go about mounting my other partition?
[08:59] <xed> Wait wait
[08:59] <xed> This is probably in the starter guide
[08:59] <johnwl> lol
[08:59] <pro> i have a bot i tell him to remember stuff for me
[08:59] <thoreauputic> hehe
[08:59] <paleblue> xed: what kind of partition is it?
[09:00] <tga> a trouble ticket bot would be interesting on bigger support chans
[09:00] <crimsun> tga: linux-image
[09:00] <xed> paleblue, ntfs
[09:00] <thoreauputic> actually a channel bot would be useful for repeated questions (like configuring X)
[09:00] <weez> i got my mouse working...one more question...i'm having trouble mounting my windows partition....
[09:00] <crimsun> tga: kernel-image => Debian. linux-image => Ubuntu
[09:01] <tga> d'oh
[09:01] <johnwl> did that thread help weez?
[09:01] <tga> thanks crimsun, that really helped
[09:01] <weez> not really...i had resatarted my computer numerous imes before asking you guys for help...but when I restarted my computer the last time, my mouse suddenly worked...i don't know what happed.
[09:02] <johnwl> sometimes you just have to accept it and move on lol
[09:02] <Quarupt> okay, i installed the Glfrx module or whatever and now im stuck in like 800x600 and it wont let me change it?
[09:02] <EndGame> and you dont need to know
[09:02] <weez> wanna help me out in accessing my mp3's on my windows partition?
[09:02] <EndGame> just know that it works and be thankful, right
[09:02] <EndGame> what is this? windows?
[09:02] <weez> i'll be good to go after that...
[09:02] <Quarupt> I can see like 4 lines in xchat
[09:02] <tga> weez: sure, apt-get install proftpd
[09:02] <Quarupt> anyone know why this might be happening?
[09:02] <crimsun> I generally recommend vsftpd over proftpd, but that's just preference.
[09:03] <Quarupt> maybe i just need to go back to the plain ati driver
[09:03] <johnwl> weez: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[09:03] <Quarupt> so no one else has had this problem with the gl ati driver?
[09:04] <tga> Quarupt: check your X logs
[09:04] <pro> hey uMkulu
[09:04] <Quarupt> the error says x server doesnt support RandR or something
[09:04] <pro> uMkulu, what is ubuntu?
[09:04] <uMkulu> pro: no idea
[09:04] <Quarupt> im gunna switch it back to the ati driver
[09:05] <tga> main CPU turn on !! `cat cpuinfo_max_freq > scaling_max_freq`
[09:05] <weez> i have vsftpd now...now what?
[09:05] <johnwl> did you see the link i posted?
[09:05] <hayden> how come when i tell mplayer to go full screen the video stays the same size
[09:05] <pro> uMkulu, ubuntu is a high tech linux distribution based on the GNU/Debian linux, but more upto date and user friendly
[09:05] <uMkulu> OK, pro.
[09:05] <tga> weez: oh man, that was a joke.. ftpd is useful for running a ftp over the net (for, like, sharing your mp3s with me)
[09:05] <pro> uMkulu, what is ubuntu?
[09:05] <uMkulu> i guess ubuntu is a high tech linux distribution based on the GNU/Debian linux, but more upto date and user friendly
[09:05] <monoxide> i currently have a hoary install that was updated from a warty install but there are some things that are not wokring quite right. is there a way to install hoary again once i get the final cd release with the same packages i have installed now?
[09:06] <tga> hayden: try mplayer -zoom movie.avi
[09:06] <johnwl> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[09:06] <thoreauputic> pro: aha, the bot has arrived!
[09:06] <pro> geiabonga, spallie
[09:06] <hayden> im using the gui though
[09:06] <tga> I haven't seen the gui in years
[09:06] <weez> okay..i have it mounted..but they're all .mdm files...i don't know what these are...that's been my problem
[09:06] <pro> yeah, and the word ubuntu is Zulu, and in Zulu uMkulu is "Chief"
[09:06] <Jeezis> anyone here know how i can use knoppix to set up ubuntu?
[09:06] <weez> i figured I had mounted the wrong hda or something...but i tried all of them
[09:07] <raggedgentleman> pro, whats wrong with you?
[09:07] <tga> Jeezis: it is probably easier to get an Ubuntu CD
[09:07] <FAST> whats the quick way to sharpen an image in the gimp ?
[09:07] <raggedgentleman> pro, do you always spread your knowledge this way?!
[09:08] <pro> raggedgentleman, nothing? i got some sleep last night
[09:08] <tga> FAST: you may have better luck on irc.gimp.net, #gimp
[09:08] <pro> first time in over 3 months i slept for longer then 5 hours
[09:08] <Quarupt> so much for Gl ATI driver
[09:08] <pro> FAST, try this....
[09:08] <Quarupt> guess no #D support for me
[09:08] <Quarupt> :(
[09:08] <tga> Quarupt: check your xorg.conf for modes and your logs for any errors
[09:09] <raggedgentleman> pro, u scary me, i though you a bot =o)
[09:09] <Quarupt> i set the modes
[09:09] <monoxide> i currently have a hoary install that was updated from a warty install but there are some things that are not wokring quite right. is there a way to install hoary again once i get the final cd release with the same packages i have installed now? i dont mind losing my config files, but i want all my current sw installed
[09:09] <pro> open layers, duplicate the layer, and set the type to overlay, then add a new black layer, put it between the 2 layers and then make it overlay too
[09:09] <Quarupt> i know what modes were there
[09:09] <pro> then CTRL+M to merge and done
[09:09] <Quarupt> what logs?
[09:09] <tga> monoxide: what's wrong with your Hoary?
[09:09] <crimsun> monoxide: dpkg -l  lists all packages currently installed
[09:09] <johnwl> sounds like a personal question
[09:10] <pro> raggedgentleman, i get that often.... in real life too
[09:10] <tga> Quarupt:  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:10] <pro> 8)
[09:10] <viper12> tga:  just went over some more info on the different processor kernels......and this is the generally accepted kernel processor branching:
[09:10] <viper12>  1. sudo apt-get install linux-686 for newer Intel/AthlonXP
[09:10] <viper12> 2. sudo apt-get install linux-k7 for any AMD Processors
[09:10] <viper12> 3. sudo apt-get install linux-686-smp for Dual Intel Processors
[09:10] <weez> well, i don't have any mp3's on this partition in the first place
[09:10] <Quarupt> can i grep that with (EE)
[09:10] <Quarupt> ?
[09:10] <johnwl> sudo apt-get install commodore64
[09:10] <tga> viper12: alright, I'll go with 686 then
[09:10] <monoxide> several programs segfault on load, had troubles with sound and things like gnome crashing
[09:10] <weez> how do I get rid of vftpd?
[09:10] <tga> weez: apt-get remove vsftpd
[09:10] <monoxide> crimsun, any way to load that list back in?
[09:11] <weez> thanks
[09:11] <pro> weez dpkg --purge vftpd
[09:11] <monoxide> other than manually
[09:11] <viper12> the k7 will work, but the 'new' amd xp line......ra-posedly s'posed to be better.......yer mileage may vary.  ;)
[09:11] <crimsun> monoxide: with some shell magic, yes
[09:11] <pro> and i think its actually vsftpd
[09:11] <Quarupt> not one line with (EE)
[09:12] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, drx is reconfigure X with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ( or xserver-xorg in Hoary)
[09:12] <tga> Quarupt: are you sure your config is right then? try to ctrl+alt+PAD_+
[09:12] <uMkulu> OK, thoreauputic.
[09:12] <viper12> time to crawl towards the bed. take care all.
[09:12] <weez> it never installed it anyway...anyway, you guys know what the hell an mdm file is...i have my file system mounted...however...i don't recognize any of them
[09:12] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: what is drx
[09:12] <Quarupt> wtf is PAD_+
[09:12] <uMkulu> i think drx is reconfigure X with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ( or xserver-xorg in Hoary)
[09:13] <thoreauputic> hmm - good bot, uMkulu
[09:13] <uMkulu> thanks thoreauputic :)
[09:13] <thoreauputic> haha
[09:13] <Quarupt> oh fast res switching
[09:13] <raggedgentleman> pro, no i just wanted to play with the bot =o)
[09:13] <Quarupt> cool
[09:13] <tga> weez: try `file foo.mdm`
[09:14] <johnwl> weez: check this thread if that doesnt work http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:EIjrKTnXwDkJ:ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-385.html+ubuntu+windows+partition+&hl=en&start=5
[09:14] <johnwl> good god thats an ugly url
[09:14] <tga> www.tinyurl.co
[09:14] <tga> www.tinyurl.com rather
[09:14] <pro> raggedgentleman, uMkulu is the bot, go mad
[09:15] <mpq> okay, there is definitely something wrong with my computer
[09:15] <goldfish_> is it gay?
[09:15] <mpq> apart from that
[09:15] <goldfish_> lol
[09:15] <mpq> I can't use irc and firefox at the same time for some reason
[09:15] <tga> 2.6.11-1-686, here I go
[09:15] <monoxide> heh
[09:15] <mpq> when I open irc, it decides that there aren't any websites on the internet
[09:15] <tga> my brain does that too
[09:16] <johnwl> maybe you installed palmOS
[09:16] <mpq> but irc works perfectly
[09:16] <raggedgentleman> could it be a firewall thingy?
[09:16] <mpq> I don't see why
[09:16] <mpq> I've never had trouble before today
[09:17] <raggedgentleman> what did you do today?
[09:17] <raggedgentleman> starting from when you woke =o)
[09:17] <monoxide> hosts file?
[09:17] <weez> ugh..i'll sort it out tomorrow. thanks anyways guys!
[09:17] <mpq> I didn't really did anything
[09:17] <mpq> I was browsing
[09:17] <mpq> then I checked irc
[09:18] <mpq> and now I can't access any websites
[09:18] <monoxide> mpq, what sort of connection are you on?
[09:18] <johnwl> did you try killing the processes for both and then restarting?
[09:18] <mpq> cable
[09:19] <Quarupt> tga, heres the error
[09:19] <tga> great, Ubuntu is taking exactly 50% of my 5.6G root partition
[09:19] <mpq> it occured to me that I've had trouble with this connection before
[09:19] <monoxide> so i dont suppose its possible that irc is hogging your bandwidth? :/
[09:19] <Jentoo000> yay i just installed ubuntu and im on it
[09:19] <Jentoo000> it looks really impressive
[09:19] <tga> lol monoxide
[09:19] <mpq> it hasn't done this before
[09:19] <hayden> how do i mount a network share with samba on boot?
[09:19] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, guide is the unofficial Ubuntu guide at http://ubuntuguide.org - for help with restricted formats, mplayer and all manner of other helpful stuff...
[09:19] <uMkulu> OK, thoreauputic.
[09:19] <johnwl> grats jentoo
[09:19] <monoxide> apt as well...
[09:20] <tga> hayden: you stick it in /etc/fstab
[09:20] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: guide
[09:20] <uMkulu> rumour has it guide is the unofficial Ubuntu guide at http://ubuntuguide.org - for help with restricted formats, mplayer and all manner of other helpful stuff
[09:20] <hayden> i tried that but it didnt work
[09:20] <Quarupt> The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available.
[09:20] <thoreauputic> right
[09:20] <tga> hayden: iirc file system type "smbfs"
[09:20] <johnwl> now spam that every 2 minutes Umkulu
[09:20] <Quarupt> wtf
[09:20] <monoxide> hayden, with /etc/fstab, the type of the mount is smbfs
[09:20] <hayden> ok
[09:20] <Quarupt> man and i have 3d Acell to, but im stuck in this weak ass res
[09:20] <Jentoo000> how do i check my hard drive, and how much room i got left, i forgot the command it for dh -h or something
[09:20] <tga> Jentoo000: df -h
[09:20] <tga> Jentoo000: aka disk free
[09:21] <Quarupt> tga, so ya know what i should try now, can ya look at my config maybe?
[09:21] <Jentoo000> whats tmpfs
[09:21] <hayden> will try this now
[09:21] <tga> Quarupt: dump it in #flood and I'll take a look
[09:21] <Jentoo000> it doesnt show my swap
[09:21] <johnwl> Jentoo: or applications>system tools>system monitor
[09:21] <zenrox> Jentoo000,  swap in a way
[09:21] <Quarupt> thanks
[09:21] <monoxide> Jentoo000, df
[09:21] <Jentoo000>  /dev/shm
[09:21] <plx> anyone setup networking with a vmware virtual machine in ubuntu?
[09:21] <offbyone> Hola
[09:21] <uMkulu> hola, offbyone
[09:21] <Jentoo000> whats that? my win98?
[09:21] <Quarupt> tga, uh wheres xorg keep it again?
[09:22] <tga> Quarupt: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:22] <offbyone> So: /me just decided, what the hell, why not try Haory.
[09:22] <Quarupt> thx
[09:22] <offbyone> s/Haory/Hoary
[09:22] <offbyone> And...
[09:22] <offbyone> No more DRI
[09:22] <offbyone> -> 3D things are gone now.
[09:22] <offbyone> (Cursed X.org :)
[09:23] <offbyone> Anyone know how to make it work? I have a mobility Radeon, and under Warty I had good 3D performance.
[09:23] <offbyone> Now, glxgears looks like I could draw it faster.
[09:23] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats , for help with setting up java, flash, mp3 and video
[09:23] <uMkulu> OK, thoreauputic.
[09:23] <Jentoo000> lol i only got 1.7 GBS left :P
[09:23] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: restricted
[09:23] <uMkulu> restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats , for help with setting up java, flash, mp3 and video
[09:23] <tga> Jentoo000: Giga BS?
[09:24] <Jentoo000> giga
[09:24] <Jentoo000> im connected to a router how can i look into my other computer through the router?
[09:24] <offbyone> I can provide dmesg/xorg logs/etc...
[09:25] <Jentoo000> ?
[09:25] <offbyone> the xorg logs show DRI: yes, the glxinfo shows it "no"
[09:25] <Jentoo000> do i use samba to communicate with the other computer
[09:25] <Jentoo000> ?
[09:25] <monoxide> offbyone, i dont have dri either i dont think
[09:25] <offbyone> I have agpgart, intel_agp, and radeon modules loaded.
[09:25] <johnwl> Jentoo: think so..not my area of expertise tho
[09:25] <zenrox> Jentoo000,  go to www.ubuntuguide.org for info and any thang
[09:26] <johnwl> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[09:26] <monoxide> Jentoo000, is it a linux or a windows box?
[09:26] <Jentoo000> im using ubuntu now my other computer is XP
[09:26] <must> hiiii....gabung yuk !
[09:26] <monoxide> samba is your best bet then
[09:26] <Quarupt> tga, its in #flood
[09:26] <Quarupt> its too big
[09:26] <Quarupt> maybe i should use pastebin
[09:26] <zenrox> yep samba is easy to set up
[09:26] <Quarupt> tga, ya see enough or ya need the whole thing?
[09:27] <monoxide> you CAN get nfs for windows... but its probably not worth it
[09:27] <thoreauputic> pro: is there a shortcut for the bot? like ! or @ ?
[09:27] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[09:27] <must> thank yuor
[09:27] <thoreauputic> nope
[09:27] <thoreauputic> @restricted
[09:28] <thoreauputic> hmm OK
[09:28] <Jentoo000> maybe samba is already installed how do i find out
[09:28] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: restricted
[09:28] <uMkulu> somebody said restricted was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats , for help with setting up java, flash, mp3 and video
[09:28] <thoreauputic> OK that'll do I guess
[09:28] <zenrox> Jentoo000, read http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[09:29] <zenrox> Jentoo000, and also look for mounting windows partions in ubuntu
[09:31] <Jentoo000> what is smbfs
[09:31] <Jentoo000> i just apt-getted samba its downloading at the moment
[09:31] <thoreauputic> samba file system
[09:31] <Jentoo000> ok
[09:31] <zenrox> thats how linux knows its a networked file system
[09:32] <Jentoo000> so i have to apt-get that as well
[09:32] <zenrox> yes
[09:32] <zenrox> usualy you can do apt-get install app1 app2 etc....
[09:33] <zenrox> that way you dont have to ap-get so ofton
[09:33] <zenrox> errr apt-get
[09:34] <Jentoo000> im going to install emule
[09:34] <zenrox> is that ubuntuguide.org what you wanted
[09:35] <Jentoo000> :) yes
[09:35] <zenrox> good
[09:35] <zenrox> hehehehehe
[09:35] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, howto is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=15 for a listing of useful howtos and frequently asked questions
[09:35] <uMkulu> OK, thoreauputic.
[09:35] <zenrox> got quiet all of a suddon
[09:35] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: howto
[09:35] <uMkulu> it has been said that howto is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=15 for a listing of useful howtos and frequently asked questions
[09:36] <Quarupt> ATTENTION anyone in here with a 9600 series readeon card with the fglrx module working?
[09:36] <zenrox> writing a bot
[09:36] <Quarupt> please
[09:36] <Jentoo000> i dont even know my XP's username :P
[09:36] <tga> ACHTUNG
[09:36] <zenrox> thoreauputic, writing a bot
[09:37] <zenrox> Jentoo000, the name you login with on winxp
[09:37] <Jentoo000> yes
[09:37] <Quarupt> I really wanna get this working
[09:37] <thoreauputic> zenrox: it's pro's bot - I'm teaching it some keywords
[09:37] <Jentoo000> your_system_username
[09:37] <zenrox> Quarupt, check #ati
[09:37] <Madeye> guys, I'm setting up a weekly cron job to download backup for about 70 website on my server, now what I want to do, to compare if the backup file has any changes to download it, so I will save some bandwidth with backup that didn't changes. any idea How to do it ? the comparision ?
[09:37] <Quarupt> Help im stuck in 800x600 trying the fglrx driver for ATI 9600
[09:38] <thoreauputic> Madeye: look at rsync
[09:38] <Jentoo000> how do i find my network username and the your_system_username
[09:38] <zenrox> Jentoo000, your_system_username= winxp login name
[09:38] <Jentoo000> Administrator i suppose
[09:38] <zenrox> Jentoo000, that will work
[09:39] <Jentoo000> didnt work ...
[09:39] <Jentoo000> Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user Administrator. Does this user exist in the UNIX password database ?
[09:39] <Jentoo000> dont know
[09:40] <zenrox> ya the user anem of your linux box
[09:40] <zenrox> name
[09:40] <Jentoo000> oh lol
[09:40] <Madeye> thanks thoreauputic
[09:40] <Quarupt> well #ati is dead
[09:40] <zenrox> setting up the server right
[09:40] <Jentoo000> whats SMB?
[09:40] <Jentoo000> yes
[09:40] <Quarupt> i would really like to figure this one out
[09:40] <goldfish_> Jentoo000: smb = samba
[09:40] <zenrox> use the username of your linux box
[09:40] <zenrox> that your using right now
[09:40] <monoxide> SMB = samba
[09:41] <Jentoo000> oh lol im such a newb why do i have to keep writing sudo what does it do?
[09:41] <zenrox> sudo so you can run thangs in a root session
[09:42] <goldfish_> Because you touch yourself at night?
[09:42] <tga> Jentoo000: if you want a root shell do `sudo su`
[09:42] <tga> Jentoo000: the root account has no password by default
[09:42] <zenrox> or sudo -s and type your userpass
[09:42] <Jentoo000> "your network username" dont know :(
[09:42] <Quarupt> tga
[09:42] <tga> Quarupt
[09:42] <Quarupt> no luck for me yet
[09:43] <tga> same here, I just grabbed 2.6.11 and trying again
[09:43] <Quarupt> wanna look at my logs still
[09:43] <Quarupt> hey guys whats the pastebin site?
[09:43] <zenrox> pastebin.com
[09:43] <Quarupt> pastebin.net?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: drivers is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto , for HOWTOs on ATI and Nvidia drivers in Ubuntu
[09:43] <tga> d'oh, there's no 2.6.11 fglrx module
[09:43] <uMkulu> OK, thoreauputic.
[09:43] <Quarupt> okay
[09:43] <Jentoo000> do i have to create a new network user first?
[09:43] <zenrox> no
[09:43] <Jentoo000> in order to edit the smb file
[09:43] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: drivers
[09:43] <uMkulu> drivers is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto , for HOWTOs on ATI and Nvidia drivers in Ubuntu
[09:44] <Jentoo000> because i dont know my network username
[09:44] <zenrox> your username =networkname
[09:44] <Quarupt> where does xorg keep its log again?
[09:44] <Jentoo000> ok..
[09:44] <zenrox> Quarupt, /var/log
[09:44] <Jentoo000> is my systems username ubuntu because it says on my terminal @ubuntu
[09:45] <Quarupt> and whats the file called again?
[09:45] <zenrox> Jentoo000,  are you using the livecd
[09:45] <Jentoo000> zenrox: no i just installed ubuntu :)
[09:45] <Jentoo000> it took a while :S
[09:45] <zenrox> Jentoo000,  why did you chouse ubuntu as a username
[09:46] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: dw is Look, "doesn't work" seems to be a common error message, but I've never seen it: Can you be a bit more specific about what's happening?
[09:46] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: no idea
[09:46] <goldfish_> lol
[09:46] <Jentoo000> i only have 1.7 gigs of space, so id like to put my stuff on my XP comp 100 gigs
[09:46] <thoreauputic> hmm
[09:46] <thoreauputic> uMkulu,  dw is Look, "doesn't work" seems to be a common error message, but I've never seen it: Can you be a bit more specific about what's happening?
[09:46] <uMkulu> i don't know, thoreauputic
[09:46] <kzm> Hi and good morning
[09:46] <tga> Jentoo000: make sure you have a fat32 partition, writing on NTFS can cause problems
[09:46] <Jentoo000> zenrox: my username is my name but the guide says edit smbusers, and it says  your_system_username = "your network username"
[09:46] <kzm> Anybody else have problems with mplayer from marillat?
[09:46] <kzm> (on warty)
[09:46] <thoreauputic> ? restricted
[09:47] <zenrox> ya you use your username
[09:47] <Jentoo000> is my system username my loging?
[09:47] <zenrox> Jentoo000, yes
[09:47] <Jentoo000> so its (username) = (username)
[09:47] <thoreauputic> OK that isn't the synatax problem...
[09:47] <Quarupt> TGA, or anyone else who might be able to help
[09:47] <zenrox> no you keep your_system_username=
[09:48] <Quarupt> http://pastebin.com/249133
[09:48] <Jentoo000> why
[09:48] <TomAraya> Hello
[09:48] <uMkulu> hello, TomAraya
[09:48] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, dw is Doesn't Work (tm) doesn't tell us much - can you be more specific, please
[09:48] <uMkulu> i haven't a clue, thoreauputic
[09:48] <thoreauputic> hrmph
[09:48] <zenrox> thats how it knows that systemuers name = your username
[09:49] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: drivers
[09:49] <uMkulu> it has been said that drivers is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto , for HOWTOs on ATI and Nvidia drivers in Ubuntu
[09:49] <Jentoo000> exactly i wrote (username) = (username)
[09:49] <zenrox> no
[09:49] <Quarupt> thoreauputic, i followed that, i am having a very different error
[09:49] <TomAraya> I found this really good Linux FAQ for newbs like me at work, it was totally making everything click.. when I went back to my computer later on it crashed though and now I can't find it.
[09:49] <zenrox> you keep your_system_username =
[09:49] <Quarupt> tga, ya still with me?
[09:50] <tga> Quarupt: yeah, downgrading to 2.6.10-4 atm
[09:50] <monoxide> Jentoo000, example:     Jentoo = "WindowsUser"
[09:50] <thoreauputic> uMkulu,  dw is Doesn't Work (tm) doesn't tell us much - can you be more specific, please
[09:50] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: no idea
[09:50] <zenrox> you keep your_system_username = (usernam)
[09:50] <TomAraya> I guess you pretty much have to learn your way around Bash if you're going ot run Linux though, huh?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> wtf
[09:50] <zenrox> monoxide,  no
[09:50] <waseem> hi do any of you guys recommend a good media player for movies...wmv, mpeg, etc.
[09:51] <waseem> totem doesnt seem to be working for me
[09:51] <TomAraya> waseem, everyone seems to recommend Mplayer.
[09:51] <waseem> oh ok thanks
[09:51] <monoxide> waseem, mplayer
[09:51] <zenrox> gxine
[09:51] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific?
[09:51] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: wish i knew
[09:51] <schasi> waseem: what did you do to get totem working?  Can you be a bit more specific?
[09:55] <Quarupt> tga, how ya doing?
[09:55] <uMkulu> i don't know, thoreauputic
[09:55] <thoreauputic> hmm
[09:55] <tga> Quarupt: same old
[09:55] <goldfish_> uMkulu,  dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much.
[09:55] <uMkulu> OK, goldfish_.
[09:55] <goldfish_> *sigh*
[09:55] <tga> does anyone know if the Warty CD include 2.6.8 kernel sources?
[09:55] <goldfish_> uMkulu: dw
[09:55] <uMkulu> it has been said that dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much.
[09:55] <goldfish_> uMkulu,  dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much.
[09:55] <uMkulu> i already had it that way, goldfish_.
[09:55] <goldfish_> gah
[09:55] <thoreauputic> goldfish_: OK, it doesn't like me any more
[09:55] <thoreauputic> :(
[09:55] <zenrox> uMkulu, dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific?
[09:55] <TomAraya> uMkulu, bad bot
[09:55] <uMkulu> no idea, zenrox
[09:55] <uMkulu> i heard bad bot was when you sit down
[09:55] <Quarupt> tga, ya think i should give up?
[09:55] <pignu> just what are you all doing, with the bot?
[09:55] <tga> Quarupt: never :)
[09:56] <goldfish_> uMkulu,  dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much.
[09:56] <uMkulu> i already had it that way, goldfish_.
[09:56] <Quarupt> well i dunno what to do
[09:56] <Jentoo000> it says Replace with the following line
[09:56] <Jentoo000>    security = user replace it with what?
[09:56] <tga> does the Warty CD include 2.6.8 kernel sources?
[09:56] <thoreauputic> maybe it's the ?
[09:56] <zenrox> uMkulu, dw is well  doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific?
[09:56] <Quarupt> i have to chose 3d accel or higher res's
[09:56] <uMkulu> i haven't a clue, zenrox
[09:56] <goldfish_>  uMkulu, dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific?
[09:56] <uMkulu> no idea, goldfish_
[09:56] <thoreauputic> zenrox: could be it
[09:56] <zenrox> uMkulu, dw is well doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific?
[09:56] <Quarupt> i defenitly cant stay in 800x600
[09:56] <uMkulu> i haven't a clue, zenrox
[09:56] <goldfish_>  uMkulu, dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific.
[09:56] <uMkulu> ...but dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much....
[09:56] <tga> ok, let's try something else
[09:56] <Quarupt> ok
[09:56] <tga> gah, stop torturing the bot
[09:56] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, dw is well doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific...
[09:56] <TomAraya> Poor bot.
[09:57] <tga> does anyone have a Warty CD handy?
[09:57] <uMkulu> ...but dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much....
[09:57] <Quarupt> i have the logs on pastebin if ya wanna se
[09:57] <TomAraya> Hi uMkulu.
[09:57] <tga> Quarupt: alright
[09:57] <Quarupt> I do
[09:57] <thoreauputic> haha
[09:57] <goldfish_>  uMkulu, dw is also well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific.
[09:57] <uMkulu> okay, goldfish_.
[09:57] <Quarupt> i have 450 of them in my bag
[09:57] <TomAraya> The bot hates me.
[09:57] <goldfish_> uMkulu: dw
[09:57] <uMkulu> i heard dw was well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. or well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific.
[09:57] <thoreauputic> OK it won't change it
[09:57] <zenrox> we need to tourcher the bot in a differnt chanel
[09:57] <goldfish_> lol
[09:57] <Jentoo000> ?
[09:57] <TomAraya> Hi.
[09:57] <TomAraya> Hello.
[09:57] <Quarupt> But im running Hoary
[09:57] <goldfish_> hi
[09:57] <Jentoo000> can anyone help
[09:57] <uMkulu> privet, goldfish_
[09:57] <TomAraya> Oh, no period.
[09:57] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: forget dw
[09:57] <TomAraya> Hello
[09:57] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: I forgot dw
[09:57] <Quarupt> tga, can we talk in PM cause i can only see like 7 lines at a time in this res
[09:58] <tga> lol, ok
[09:58] <thoreauputic>  uMkulu, dw is  well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific.
[09:58] <uMkulu> OK, thoreauputic.
[09:58] <zenrox> thare
[09:58] <goldfish_> woo
[09:58] <neom> woohooo!
[09:58] <zenrox> i had the right idea
[09:58] <thoreauputic> the ? is the problem
[09:58] <neom> I got my htaccess provlem fixed. :D
[09:58] <neom> :D:D:D:D:D:
[09:58] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: dw
[09:58] <uMkulu> i think dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific.
[09:58] <thoreauputic> ok
[09:58] <zenrox> good
[09:59] <zenrox> ok whats next
[09:59] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: congratulations
[09:59] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: i'm not following you...
[09:59] <thoreauputic> hahe
[09:59] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: good bot
[09:59] <uMkulu> :)
[09:59] <zenrox> uMkulu, congratulations is you poor the wine
[09:59] <uMkulu> OK, zenrox.
[09:59] <Jentoo000> hmm guess its working
[10:00] <zenrox> uMkulu, congratulations
[10:00] <uMkulu> i think congratulations is you poor the wine
[10:00] <Jentoo000> Processing section "[printers] "
[10:00] <Jentoo000> it said stuff like that
[10:00] <pignu> Jentoo000: just what are you setting up?
[10:00] <thoreauputic> zenrox: that should be "pour" I think
[10:00] <zenrox> uMkulu, forget congratulations
[10:00] <uMkulu> zenrox: I forgot congratulations
[10:01] <zenrox> uMkulu, congratulations is you pour the wine
[10:01] <uMkulu> OK, zenrox.
[10:01] <zenrox> uMkulu, congratulations
[10:01] <uMkulu> i heard congratulations was you pour the wine
[10:01] <zenrox> thx
[10:01] <Quarupt> How can i check my Xorg version?
[10:01] <tga> and this is how bots get banned
[10:01] <tga> Quarupt: Xorg -version
[10:02] <thoreauputic> tga: true, it should be taught elsewhere
[10:02] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  thats what i was saying
[10:02] <thoreauputic> OK we should give it a rest I guess ;-)
[10:02] <tga> can't you just msg the thing?
[10:03] <plx> the gnome developers must have been stoned when they changed nautilus to the "the window is the folder"-paradigm.. (glad it's possible to turn it off)
[10:03] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  ya the poor little egg
[10:03] <thoreauputic> tga: I'll try it
[10:03] <tga> uMkulu: what is mumu?
[10:03] <uMkulu> mumu is good
[10:03] <Xer> hi guys
[10:03] <tga> yeah, it works, go teach it in private
[10:04] <Xer> anyone know good script to make alive cd for ubuntu?
[10:04] <Xer> :)
[10:04] <Xer> ...
[10:05] <binskipy2k5> anyone here ever use/try simplyMephis or gentooo in their linux experience
[10:05] <pignu> hmm, Xer, I think your best shot is to look on how it, they created the one that exists.
[10:05] <Xer> i tryed
[10:05] <Jentoo000> it says here  replace this  security = user what do i replace it with?
[10:05] <Xer> i broked my unbutnu 4times ;)
[10:06] <goldfish_> lol
[10:06] <Xer> now i reinstaleld it
[10:06] <Xer> and i need a good script
[10:07] <Xer> all shuted up!
[10:07] <pignu> Xer What your looking for dont exist I belive.. just a script and it just works.
[10:07] <Xer> i know
[10:07] <Xer> i found alots of scripts
[10:07] <Xer> and its need anthers packjes
[10:08] <Xer> and sameone that pakjs dont work with me
[10:08] <TomAraya> Can anyone recommend a good RTS free RTS game for linux?
[10:08] <Xer> [they need Anrthers pakjs to]
[10:08] <Xer> antheres*
[10:08] <waseem> my mplayer plugin isnt working, and neither is mplayer
[10:08] <waseem> can anyone here help me out?
[10:09] <Xer> mplayer?
[10:09] <waseem> ya
[10:09] <Xer> reinstall it ;)
[10:10] <waseem> it came with ubuntu, and im new with linux...i still barely know how to install a program
[10:10] <waseem> anyone want to walk me through the reinstallation process?
[10:11] <Xer> waseeem
[10:11] <Xer> wait after 1 week
[10:11] <Xer> im thinking after my exams finshed to make a guid for ubuntu ;)
[10:12] <waseem> can anyone here help?
[10:13] <Jeezis> hell yeah, got x running
[10:13] <pignu> waseem: what you trying todo?
[10:13] <Jeezis> just default configuration, but it runs
[10:13] <Jentoo000> dam didnt work
[10:13] <waseem> install mplayer
[10:13] <Xer> ???? ??? ???? ???? ????????
[10:13] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: restricted
[10:13] <uMkulu> hmmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats , for help with setting up java, flash, mp3 and video
[10:14] <Xer> answer  waseem
[10:14] <Xer> ???? ??? ???? ???? ????????
[10:14] <thoreauputic> waseem: ^^
[10:14] <waseem> its restricted though...
[10:14] <Xer> i think you didnt doo it ;)
[10:14] <Xer> did you added arabic to your linux?
[10:15] <pignu> waseem: how you trying to install it?
[10:15] <Xer> dpkg -i
[10:15] <waseem> first i need to download it
[10:15] <Xer> or from compuer
[10:15] <waseem> xer are you talking to me?
[10:15] <Xer> sys * cionfig
[10:15] <Xer> yes
[10:15] <hayden> how do i auto open a video file with mplayer from the gnome file browser?
[10:15] <waseem> ya thats what i need to know
[10:15] <Xer> lol
[10:15] <tga> how can I see the list of files installed by a package?
[10:16] <Xer> waseem do u know how to goo and open synpatic manger ?
[10:16] <Xer> you will find your answer in that proggram :)
[10:16] <waseem> yes
[10:16] <waseem> ok thanks
[10:17] <Xer> tga
[10:17] <Rocco> may somebody help my according lm_sensors?
[10:17] <Xer> your answer too in synpatic apps manger :)
[10:18] <Rocco> may somebody help my according lm_sensors?
[10:18] <brosio> anyone have ubuntu amd64 con nvidia 6600 pci-x ?
[10:19] <pignu> Rocco: well, you could give more feedback what your trying todo, and read documentation for lmsensors.
[10:19] <hayden> how do i auto open a video file with mplayer from the gnome file browser?
[10:21] <Rocco> well, on booting i get an error like "make sure that /sys is mountet or try modprobe i2c_sensor"
[10:21] <Rocco> /sys is mounted, but how can i modprobe something during booting? and even if i modprobe it after booting, "gDesklets" even doesn't work
[10:22] <monoxide> dpkg -l seems to cut off part of the package names for some packages... anyway to fix this?
[10:23] <Jentoo000> yay it worked, i can share stuff to my dads stuff :D
[10:23] <Rocco> any idea pingu?
[10:23] <Jentoo000> how can i look into my dads computer and put stuff on his computer off my comp?
[10:23] <tga> you little haxx0r
[10:24] <hayden> lol
[10:24] <hayden> tga
[10:24] <hayden> how do i auto open a video file with mplayer from the gnome file browser?
[10:24] <Jentoo000> :P, i want to access my stuff on my dads computer how can i do that?
[10:24] <Quarupt> Anyone know how to switch the opengl interface?
[10:27] <plx> samba mangles filenames at special (german) characters like . how can i fix this?
[10:27] <Quarupt> wheres the damn xorg.conf again?
[10:28] <Jentoo000> which ones for linux source code or binaries?
[10:28] <Jentoo000> ....
[10:29] <Pluk> Quarupt, in /etc/X11/
[10:29] <Quarupt> thx
[10:31] <hayden> ok im stupid
[10:32] <Pluk> lol how come
[10:33] <monoxide> what is kubuntu?
[10:35] <waseem> Hi i seem to be having a problem with mplayer and totem, mplayer won't even open or run, and totem isnt playing any of the movies.
[10:35] <Pluk> ubuntu based on kde
[10:35] <waseem> does anyone know what i can do?
[10:36] <monoxide> Pluk, cant you get that just by uninstalling gnome and installing kde?
[10:36] <Pluk> monoxide, yes but with kubuntu you just do a full install and get kde
[10:37] <monoxide> some people are lazy... :P
[10:37] <Pluk> i thought there was some better kde interaction between progs too then there is possible now with ubuntu and kde
[10:38] <thewolf> Hello, I installed Ubuntu, but after the install it tries to load x, but fails.
[10:38] <thewolf> I'm using a Radeon 9200SE
[10:38] <thewolf> What could be wrong?
[10:39] <hayden> when i choose full screen in mplayer, the video doesn't stretch to the full screen, can anyone tell me how to fix this
[10:39] <waseem> mplayer wont even open for me
[10:39] <waseem> can anyone help me with that?
[10:40] <Jentoo000> how do i unzip a .zip file :S
[10:40] <Pluk> waseem, try mplayer in a terminal that will give you more info
[10:40] <waseem> pluk: i did that
[10:40] <monoxide> what does mplayer say when you try to run it?
[10:40] <waseem> it doesnt say anything
[10:40] <waseem> it just doesnt open
[10:40] <monoxide> Jentoo000, unzip <filename> ;)
[10:41] <thewolf> waseem, when you run it from the terminal, does it say anything?
[10:41] <Xer> waseem , do like i told you
[10:41] <Xer> reboooooot
[10:41] <waseem> thewolf: it just gives you information about mplayer
[10:41] <waseem> no error messages or anything
[10:41] <thewolf> Anyone help me? :(
[10:41] <Xer> ha?
[10:42] <plx> hayden: same here, it works with totem though..
[10:42] <Pluk> hayden, edit .mplayer/configand add: vo=xv
[10:42] <waseem> thewolf: i found one problem, Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[10:42] <waseem> Warning unknown option skin at line 50
[10:42] <waseem> Reading config file /root/.mplayer/config
[10:42] <waseem> Reading /root/.mplayer/codecs.conf: Can't open '/root/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
[10:42] <hayden> ok thanks
[10:43] <Xer> lol
[10:43] <hayden> where is .mplayer
[10:43] <Jentoo000> im trying to ./configure and im root and it doesnt let me :( permission denied?
[10:43] <Xer> you dont have codes
[10:43] <thewolf> anyone?
[10:43] <Pluk> hayden, if vo=xv doesnt work remove that line and add zoom=1 to that file
[10:43] <Xer> jen , did u do sudo ?
[10:43] <monoxide> waseem, why are you trying to run mplayer as root?
[10:43] <hayden> pluk: where is .mplayer?
[10:44] <Pluk> in your home directory /home/hayden/.mplayer/config
[10:44] <waseem> because i was doing something as root earlier, my mistake
[10:44] <hayden> ok thanks
[10:44] <waseem> but its the same stuff
[10:44] <waseem> it shows the same stuff when i run it normally
[10:44] <hayden> ok ill try now
[10:45] <hayden> that didnt work
[10:45] <stingaa> can someone help me
[10:45] <Xer> im going to download mplayer and see the problem ;)
[10:45] <stingaa> im really getting desperate
[10:45] <waseem> monoxide: here is the problem, Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[10:45] <waseem> Warning unknown option skin at line 50
[10:45] <waseem> Reading config file /home/waseem/.mplayer/config
[10:45] <waseem> Reading /home/waseem/.mplayer/codecs.conf: Can't open '/home/waseem/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
[10:45] <Jentoo000> why cant i have the permission to ./configure when im root?
[10:45] <Xer> downloading will finshed after 48:21
[10:46] <Xer> jentoo
[10:46] <monoxide> waseem, you have no skins, no codecs. you need both before you can use mplayer
[10:46] <Xer> same proggrams dont run if u are haveing rooot
[10:46] <waseem> where can i get those
[10:46] <monoxide> that is the problem
[10:46] <Xer> i gived you the site
[10:46] <Xer> mother fucker
[10:46] <hayden> that worked, thansk heaps Pluk
[10:46] <monoxide> i have no config file too, and it works fine
[10:46] <Pluk> hayden, your welcome
[10:46] <hayden> one more thing
[10:46] <waseem> so it doesnt come with a default skin or anything?
[10:47] <monoxide> waseem, check out ubuntuguide.org
[10:47] <waseem> ok so once i download codecs and skins, how do i set them up?
[10:47] <monoxide> no
[10:47] <waseem> trust me ive been there
[10:47] <waseem> it only tells you how to get an mplayer plugin
[10:47] <hayden> when i run mplayer a window comes up and says new_face failed. maybe the font directory is wrong. please supply the font ./mplayer/subfont.ttf
[10:47] <waseem> for firefox
[10:47] <hayden> where can i find that
[10:47] <thewolf> Can anyone help me get X working?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: keywords
[10:48] <uMkulu> keywords is backports bugzilla games restricted guide drx howto topic faq support forum drivers
[10:48] <thewolf> Or tell me why it isn't working :(
[10:48] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: topic
[10:48] <uMkulu> i think topic is that thing at the top of the page... Type /topic to read it. Yes. that means YOU....
[10:48] <thoreauputic> hehe
[10:48] <jeavis> hello
[10:48] <uMkulu> hi, jeavis
[10:49] <jeavis> I have a big problem with my gnome enverioment
[10:49] <thewolf> hmm?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> oh no it greets people as well!
[10:49] <jeavis> When I star a session display me a error message
[10:49] <stingaa> i have a big problem with my wireless usb adapter
[10:50] <jeavis> uMkulu: THat said me your session during < 10 secs
[10:50] <uMkulu> jeavis: sorry...
[10:50] <jeavis> uMkulu: and restart de gnome
[10:50] <uMkulu> jeavis: excuse me?
[10:50] <jeavis> uMkulu: I cant enter to gnome
[10:50] <uMkulu> jeavis: what?
[10:50] <Jentoo000> guys im trying to isntall emule and it says here to sh ./configure but it says permission denied when im root why does this happen!!!?
[10:50] <jeavis> uMkulu: When I star a session
[10:51] <uMkulu> jeavis: excuse me?
[10:51] <scaroo> Jentoo000, use the xmule/amule/mlmule package
[10:51] <thewolf> Can anyone please help me with my X problem?
[10:51] <Jentoo000> scaroo: what do you mean?
[10:51] <scaroo> i meant mldonkey
[10:51] <stingaa> can anyone help me with my wireless network adapter?
[10:51] <scaroo> jentoo 'apt-get install amule'
[10:51] <jeavis> uMkulu: gnome display a window that said me that the sesion during < 10 secs. and it restatrs the pc
[10:51] <uMkulu> jeavis: what?
[10:52] <jeavis> I cant enter to gnome, somebody can help me
[10:52] <Summerborn> hello ubuntu fans
[10:53] <thewolf> When the installer tries to start X it doesn't give me any errors.
[10:53] <stingaa> ....anyone?
[10:53] <thoreauputic> jeavis: FYI, uMkulu is a bot
[10:53] <thewolf> stingaa, I second that anyone.
[10:53] <stingaa> :)
[10:54] <stingaa> ive been at this crap for like 4 hours (not an exxageration)
[10:54] <TomAraya> Is it possible to change skins in RealPlayer? I've read a couple posts that say 'I don't think so' but haven't gotten any clarification.
[10:54] <scizzo> stingaa: what is the problem?
[10:54] <stingaa> i cant ger my wireless usb network adapter to work
[10:54] <thewolf> stingaa, I just installed ubuntu, but can't do anything because it won't load X :(
[10:55] <scizzo> thewolf: you can do a lot
[10:55] <thewolf> I don't know much about USB and linux
[10:55] <thewolf> scizzo, like what?
[10:55] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: keywords
[10:55] <scizzo> thewolf: everything!
[10:55] <uMkulu> keywords is, like, backports bugzilla games restricted guide drx howto topic faq support forum drivers restart
[10:55] <jeavis> I cant enter to gnome, somebody can help me, gnome displayed me a window that said ypur session during < 10 secs
[10:55] <CrazyKewl> Made a torrent index for ubuntu here http://torrents.nimp.org/index.php  Check it out and please test it for me.
[10:55] <stingaa> i dont kno much about linux...period
[10:55] <thewolf> ffs
[10:56] <stingaa> scizzo can u help?
[10:56] <scizzo> thewolf: I am doing everything in a terminal.....that is enough for me... irssi, mutt, links etc
[10:56] <thewolf> scizzo, do you have anything useful to say about my problem?
[10:56] <scizzo> thewolf: what is the problem?
[10:56] <thewolf> *sigh*
[10:56] <scizzo> stingaa: hmmm..never used USB and network adapters...what does dmesg and syslog tell you?
[10:56] <thewolf> I just installed ubuntu, but when the installer tries to load X, it fails, no errors
[10:56] <stingaa> dmesg....syslog?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> scizzo: he's just starting - don't confuse him
[10:57] <thewolf> is the installer supposed to let you set the root password?
[10:57] <scizzo> thewolf: look at the /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[10:57] <thoreauputic> thewolf: no
[10:57] <scizzo> thoreauputic: no....you use sudo
[10:57] <scizzo> thoreauputic: sudo -s -H
[10:57] <thoreauputic> thewolf: ubuntu uses sudo
[10:57] <scizzo> GAH!
[10:57] <scizzo> thoreauputic: sorry
[10:58] <thoreauputic> scizzo: at least get the nick right!
[10:58] <thewolf> so I just type sudo and my password to get root access?
[10:58] <jeavis> how I can turn off my pc from terminal
[10:58] <jeavis> sudo -s
[10:58] <thewolf> jeavis, shutdown -h now ?
[10:58] <Summerborn> with the command poweroff you can turn off your pc
[10:58] <scizzo> thoreauputic: I just typed the th and Tab so it became wrong and I said sorry
[10:58] <thoreauputic> jeavis: sudo shutdown -h now
[10:58] <thewolf> ahh
[10:58] <bestadvocate> hey do you guy know a way to find out howmuch diskspace is left on one of your HDs?
[10:58] <thoreauputic> scizzo: OK :)
[10:59] <Summerborn> df -h
[10:59] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: df -H
[10:59] <thewolf> So, what can I do about my X problem?
[10:59] <bestadvocate> thanks guys
[10:59] <thoreauputic> either -h or -H
[10:59] <Summerborn> is the command that gives you description for all your partitions
[10:59] <scizzo> thoreauputic: easy to get the nick wrong when doing the Tab thingy... :P
[10:59] <thoreauputic> scizzo: true
[10:59] <scizzo> stingaa: /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[10:59] <scizzo> stingaa: if there are errors then they should be listed there
[11:00] <stingaa> ok
[11:00] <thewolf> scizzo, Ok, just noticed what you said :)
[11:00] <neom> thewolf - You might want to try sudo apt-get -f install and see what it says.
[11:00] <jeavis> thewolf: thank you
[11:00] <thewolf> scizzo, I will have a look
[11:00] <jeavis> thoreauputic:thank you
[11:00] <thewolf> neom, what does that do?
[11:00] <scizzo> stingaa: where you able to edit the settings for X during install?
[11:01] <scizzo> thewolf: man apt-get  ;)
[11:01] <neom> thewolf - Tell you if anything wasn't fully installed during your install.
[11:01] <thewolf> scizzo, I know what apt-get is, but what does his code DO.
[11:01] <thewolf> neom, ok, thanks
[11:01] <thoreauputic> scizzo: we avoid rtfm responses here, if possible ;_)
[11:01] <thewolf> Back soon :)
[11:02] <scizzo> thoreauputic: well asking for a parameter?
[11:02] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: root
[11:02] <scizzo> thoreauputic: and I never said rtfm I just told him to try to find the answer in the manual.. :)
[11:02] <uMkulu> root is, like, Ubuntu doesn't set a root password by default. You use sudo instead, with my user password
[11:02] <thoreauputic> haha
[11:03] <thoreauputic> oh dear, "his" user password
[11:03] <Pluk> :D
[11:03] <scizzo> thoreauputic: apt-get -f install is telling apt-get to configure and fix the packages a little
[11:03] <scizzo> GAH!
[11:03] <scizzo> wrong nick again!
[11:03] <scizzo> um...no wonder
[11:03] <scizzo> thewolf quited
[11:03] <scizzo> :P
[11:04] <neom> Seems like a common ubuntu problem.
[11:04] <neom> x fails at start on a fresh install.
[11:05] <scizzo> thoreauputic: was never ment to sound like "rtfm" more that it is quiet weird to ask for a parameter... :P
[11:05] <thoreauputic> root
[11:05] <thoreauputic> oh
[11:05] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: root
[11:05] <uMkulu> hmmm... root is Ubuntu doesn't set a root password by default. Use the user password instead, with sudo
[11:05] <Summerborn> uMkulu: bind
[11:05] <uMkulu> Summerborn: sorry...
[11:05] <neom> I set a root password on my ubuntu install.
[11:05] <Summerborn> uMkulu: httpd
[11:05] <uMkulu> Summerborn: excuse me?
[11:06] <Summerborn> uMkulu: apache
[11:06] <hayden> where can i find subfont.ttf (that mplayer needs0
[11:06] <uMkulu> Summerborn: sorry...
[11:06] <neom> :|
[11:06] <neom> bot rape
[11:06] <scizzo> hayden: mplayer-font ?
[11:06] <hayden> yea
[11:06] <scizzo> hayden: I guess you can get it from synaptics if you search for mplayer
[11:06] <thoreauputic> Summerborn: he's only just started learning :)
[11:07] <scizzo> hayden: if not....try to look at the RestrictedFormats on the wiki for information about repositories that you can use for mplayer
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Summerborn: type uMkulu keywords
[11:07] <thoreauputic> only a few
[11:07] <Summerborn> uMkulu: keywords
[11:07] <uMkulu> i think keywords is backports bugzilla games restricted guide drx howto topic faq support forum drivers restart root
[11:07] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: keywords
[11:07] <uMkulu> keywords is backports bugzilla games restricted guide drx howto topic faq support forum drivers restart root
[11:08] <hayden> i found it under synaptics under mplayer-fonts
[11:08] <scizzo> hayden: :)
[11:08] <neom> Add "man - to view the manual of most commands, type 'man command'."
[11:08] <neom> and one about command --help also
[11:08] <hayden> with an s at the end
[11:08] <thoreauputic> neom: OK :)
[11:09] <Summerborn> Have any of you found the picture the australian school that had put ubuntu as there operating system for the pc lab