[00:26] <arooni> is there a way when i plug in headphones audio can be set to 40% or something?  it hurts my ears when i forget to test volume before switching output from speakers => headphones (18.04)
[00:41] <MarkB3> I have a medium-length program, 500-600 lines, that I can compile via make and it links up and runs.  I compile the same program via Eclipse and the program crashes because of an exception thrown by a very low-level routine that isn't part of the program itself... it's supposed to be in a library somewhere.. and must be in a library somewhere because the program links and runs with a fairly simple Makefile.
[00:41] <bprompt> arooni:  I assume it may just be a DM volume control applet, I use something called "pavucontrol", is a GTK app IIRC, and you can set both volumes separately for each audio output device
[00:42] <stefandxm> MarkB3: output would help. of the crash.
[00:42] <sarnold> MarkB3: can you pastebin the error message ? It'd probably be helpful to see the makefile and program, too, but lets start with the error :)
[00:43] <stefandxm> MarkB3: but yes., you probably lineked something that its not in your "global" runtime path
[00:43] <MarkB3> Let me get the good stuff organized.  Gentlemen, your time *IS* appreciated.  I've been running around in circles for far too long...
[00:45] <MarkB3> I can't do a cut-and-paste from Eclipse.. can I post screen snaps to a pastebin?
[00:48] <sarnold> if you select the text aznd hit ^C will that do it? quite often applications that don't support select often support ^C
[00:49] <sarnold> I know there's pastebins that accept images, https://imgur.com/ hosts loads but I don't know how much work it is to upload one
[00:49] <MarkB3> Okay... got the screen snap.  The makefile is easy (only text).
[00:49] <stefandxm> you can just run the program outside of eclipse
[00:49] <MarkB3> stefandxm: As dumb as it sounds, I haven't tried that.  just for the grins... one moment, I'll give it a shot.
[00:50] <stefandxm> run it from a terminal
[00:50] <stefandxm> so you can get the std/out/err
[00:50] <MarkB3> SONAVB**CH.  IT RUNS in a terminal
[00:50] <MarkB3> Pardon my French...   Let me go check.. This is NUTS.  Absolutely NUTS.. and I know it's ME on the nutty side.
[00:54] <stefandxm> how do you set it?
[00:54] <stefandxm> maybe you set it hard?
[00:54] <stefandxm> i dont know eclipse
[00:55] <stefandxm> but if you set it absolutely and dont include the global ld_ ibrary path you might miss out on the system libraries
[00:55] <stefandxm> i would assume you need somethinlike GLOBALLIBRARYPATH;your stuff
[00:55] <MarkB3> I owe you guys a beer.
[00:57] <MarkB3> There is a setting, deep in the bowels of eclipse and part of the launch configuration.
[00:57] <MarkB3> It's a radio button.  One setting says, "Append environment to native environment".  The other setting is "Replace native environment with specified environment".
[00:58] <MarkB3> It was set to "Replace..."
[00:58] <Nyle> Hello
[00:58] <Nyle> Is there any program that can summarize a pdf file?
[00:58] <Nyle> a document
[00:58] <MarkB3> I set it to "Append" and it runs.. at least it runs past the point of massive disgusting awful crash.
[00:59] <MarkB3> stefandxm, I've been trying to get this running for, and I kid you not, MONTHS.
[00:59] <Nyle> https://smmry.com/ this site has it, you upload PDF and it can do that. But what are they using?
[00:59] <Nyle> It's got to be some automated tool, using some lib or program
[00:59] <stefandxm> MarkB3: no worries :)
[00:59] <Nyle> I can even use a python lib, I can code. Just need to figure out what
[01:00] <MarkB3> sarnold: It does allocate a terminal for input/output. .. but that was already set.
[01:00] <stefandxm> MarkB3: its the small stuff :)
[01:00] <stefandxm> MarkB3: but trying to run from a bare shell is a good exercise everytime
[01:00] <sarnold> MarkB3: oof, pty stuff?
[01:00] <stefandxm> MarkB3: big stuff like eclipse tend to hide a lot stuff
[01:01] <MarkB3> sarnold: Not in my code.  Eclipse "connects" a terminal to it's console window, making it easy for things like scanf() and printf() to work properly.
[01:01] <MarkB3> And, yes, this can run from a normal console.
[01:02] <sarnold> MarkB3: ahhhhh, I see. I hadn't realized; my recollection of those kinds of tools is that they just hooked up stdio descriptors and didn't bother with the full terminal
[01:02] <sarnold> that's cool, embedding a real terminal is way more useful
[01:02] <stefandxm> sarnold: every process get its environment
[01:02] <stefandxm> sarnold: doesnt matter how its launched
[01:02] <MarkB3> sarnold: Honestly, I don't know how Eclipse does 90% of the stuff it does... and of that, it's kind of by osmosis.
[01:03] <stefandxm> sarnold: but the environment is not dynamically updated so it it could be old
[01:03] <MarkB3> Eclipse falls into the category of "non-trivial programs".
[01:03] <stefandxm> sarnold: but if it just spawned the stdio it would still inherit the parameters it had when it launched
[01:03] <stefandxm> eclipse fall into junk sw ;p
[01:03] <sarnold> stefandxm: and eclipse may not have a controlling terminal
[01:03] <stefandxm> i f**n hate it :D
[01:03] <stefandxm> sarnold: but it has a parent process which holds the environment
[01:04] <stefandxm> sarnold: its basic *nix
[01:04] <MarkB3> Eclipse has it's positive points.  For Native Java debugging it's hard to beat.
[01:05] <MarkB3> Not so good at Python, though.
[01:05] <stefandxm> intellij is a bit less horrible than eclipse imo
[01:05] <stefandxm> but i tend to use netbeans instead
[01:05] <stefandxm> i try not to touch python
[01:06] <stefandxm> but its all personal :)
[01:10] <Mystified> hi all, have a 2-1 laptop, are youys able to share how increase the size of the touch screen keys while in tablet mode. Thanks in advance
[01:21] <MarkB3> This program of mine attempts to bind to port 57344 to answer remote requests.  But bind() is returning -1 with errno set to "Address already in use".  netstat(1) does not show anything listening on port 57344.  Nice.  How do I find out what program has that port open?
[01:22] <stefandxm> i dont know
[01:22] <stefandxm> but did it run before?
[01:22] <stefandxm> if so probably an old process of "yourself"
[01:22] <stefandxm> ie ps aux|grep <your process name>
[01:22] <stefandxm> and kill it
[01:22] <MarkB3> Y'know, my stupidity is really showing this evening.  Remember that I saw this running on a bare console?  Oops.. forgot to terminate that instance...
[01:22] <stefandxm> not sure about netstat though
[01:23] <stefandxm> :)
[01:23] <MarkB3> About now is when I should turn everything off and go to bed... but, nope.. I'm a glutton for punishment, especially when it's self-inflicted.  :-)
[01:24] <stefandxm> :-)
[01:24] <stefandxm> python does that
[01:25] <sarnold> MarkB3: ss -t -n state time-wait
[01:25] <sarnold> MarkB3: probably the socket is in TIME_WAIT
[01:26] <MarkB3> More like it was in OPERATOR_STUPID .  Can't believe I did that.
[01:26] <sarnold> aha :)
[01:26] <stefandxm> MarkB3: its a good learning though
[01:26] <stefandxm> always (re)trace your own steps
[01:27] <stefandxm> if it worked "before" its often self made
[01:27] <sarnold> and also, don't check in anything after $late at night :)
[01:27] <MarkB3> A long time ago I was asked if I could teach some bit of the calculus in Second Life.
[01:27] <stefandxm> sarnold: that doesnt work when you have (small) kids ;-)
[01:27] <sarnold> stefandxm: lol
[01:27] <MarkB3> But I didn't have a way to draw a curve in real-time.
[01:28] <MarkB3> So I wrote this hairy-butt program pair... one piece lives in a virtual environment, the other on the home 'puter...
[01:28] <MarkB3> .. and it ran find for years.
[01:28] <MarkB3> ran *fine* for years.
[01:28] <MarkB3> Then I decided to try upgrading to Scilab 6.0.2 and <groan> Not nice.
[01:28] <MarkB3> All because of that little switch.
[01:29] <sarnold> I'd pay extra to disable OPERATOR_STUPID

[01:31] <stefandxm> i just want freebsd :D
[01:31] <stefandxm> but corporate BS is ruining that for me :)
[01:31] <MarkB3> I'm pleased to announce success.
[01:31] <sarnold> MarkB3: woot!
[01:32] <stefandxm> cool
[01:32] <stefandxm> what are you making mark?
[01:32] <MarkB3> I'm logged into Second Life, and just did a y = cos(x) curve.  it's gonna take me DAYS to calm down after these months of lusing my  mind.
[01:33] <MarkB3> The program is a "shim" between Second Life and Scilab (http://www.scilab.org).
[01:33] <MarkB3> it lets me draw curves in a virtual environment in real-time.
[01:33] <MarkB3> It also lets me insult others by remote control.  :-)
[01:33] <stefandxm> hehe ok
[01:34] <stefandxm> iam an old graphics programmer
[01:34] <stefandxm> but i would just do it myself for that reason :)
[01:34] <stefandxm> or use wolfram alpha or matlab or whatever
[01:34] <sarnold> those cost money though, don't they?
[01:34] <stefandxm> not wolfram alpha
[01:35] <stefandxm> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=cos%28x%29
[01:35] <MarkB3> You can purchase a Raspberry Pi and get Mathematica on a Pi for free.  Think it's Student Mathematica, though.  Still ... nice software.
[01:35] <sarnold> but if you wanted programmatic acceess to WA probably they'd charge :) -- and man it's slow :/
[01:35] <stefandxm> i once wrote a tool for osx to use mathmetica as a calculator :D
[01:36] <sarnold> MarkB3: no kidding? the last student mathematica I had cost a fair chunk of change :)
[01:36] <MarkB3> With my little tinkertoy program, I can type an expression in-world.  The expression is picked up and transmitted to the home 'puter and sent into Scilab.
[01:36] <MarkB3> Scilab does the heavy lifting and creates line segment information which is then transmitted back in-world.
[01:36] <MarkB3> The in-world end manipulates graphics primitives... and a graph pops out.
[01:37] <MarkB3> sarnold: Mathematica "for real" isn't cheap.  But run a google search for Raspberry Pi and Mathematica and see what you get.
[01:37] <sarnold> yeah, this looks kinda spendy :) https://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/pricing/home-hobby/
[01:38] <stefandxm> we had free full mathematica at our uni
[01:38] <stefandxm> but the uni still promoted matlab which sucked
[01:38] <stefandxm> mathematica is 10x better. or was
[01:38] <stefandxm> i mean mathematica is somewhat type safe
[01:38] <MarkB3> Scilab is a free open-source Matlab look-alike.  IMHO, a lot easier to use.
[01:38] <sarnold> I never got the hang of using it For Real though -- all the amazing stuff in The Book and on the internet looked so cool, but I couldn't get beyond the basics with it
[01:38] <stefandxm> forget a ' in M and youll still have an answer. in the wrong dimesion :D
[01:38] <MarkB3> I did my MS paper using Mathematica.
[01:39] <stefandxm> and when you comibe some algs in matlab.. its horribly dangerous
[01:39] <stefandxm> like writing C89 in 2020
[01:39] <stefandxm> who would do that :o
[01:39] <MarkB3> Me.  :-)
[01:39] <stefandxm> stop it
[01:39] <stefandxm> =)
[01:40] <MarkB3> All my C coding practices are from K&R The C Programming Language, 1st edition.
[01:40] <stefandxm> then step it up
[01:40] <stefandxm> learn c++, rust or c99
[01:40] <MarkB3> I'm slowly picking my way through C++ and Java along with some C#.
[01:40] <stefandxm> i heard good of rust. but iam a c++ junkie myself
[01:40] <stefandxm> not touching java
[01:41] <stefandxm> c# is ok
[01:41] <stefandxm> i mean, if you take out the gimmickery
  Have you ever heard of "Duff's Device" ?
[01:41] <stefandxm> beer can?
[01:42] <sarnold> lol
[01:42] <stefandxm> whats the name btw
[01:42] <MarkB3> It's a programming construct in C that had a lot of people irritated.
[01:42] <stefandxm> of the switch/select hack
[01:42] <stefandxm> yeah
[01:42] <stefandxm> its duff device
[01:42] <stefandxm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duff%27s_device
[01:42] <stefandxm> i knew it :)
[01:43] <stefandxm> hand me another beer lol
[01:44] <MarkB3> I read somewhere that C# doesn't permit Duff's Device.. and trying it gets the compiler to spit up a specialized error message: "Not HERE!"
[01:45] <MarkB3> Or something like that.
[01:45] <sarnold> hahahahaha
[01:45] <stefandxm> not that i know off
[01:45] <stefandxm> its just a matter of alignment
[01:46] <stefandxm> loops unrolling was a big thing before
[01:46] <stefandxm> but i mean
[01:46] <stefandxm> i used to rewrite entire loops with assembler
[01:46] <stefandxm> its not really a programming hack
[01:47] <stefandxm> its more of a conformation thing
[01:47] <stefandxm> to the cpu/platform you are targetting
[01:47] <MarkB3> I still do assembly language.  About the best way to get the most bang for the buck.
[01:47] <stefandxm> i dont

[01:48] <stefandxm> unless i am coding emulators
[01:48] <stefandxm> which i am not
[01:48] <stefandxm> (officially)
[01:48] <MarkB3> I did some DSP programming a while back and it has a MAC (multiple-accumulate) instruction.
[01:48] <stefandxm> yeah
[01:48] <stefandxm> sometimes you have to dig in
[01:48] <stefandxm> but its rare
[01:48] <MarkB3> Set up three registers, do a MAC, and it would do IIR and FIR filters at machine-clock rate.
[01:49] <stefandxm> nowadays i dont do any coding
[01:49] <stefandxm> i mean, not really
[01:49] <stefandxm> it happens but not really
[01:49] <MarkB3> All I do nowadays, for work, is LabVIEW programming.
[01:50] <stefandxm> whats labview?
[01:50] <padarc> hey guys, beginner here. If i set my monitor anything above 60hz in the settings and logout, my monitor says "input not supported" on the login screen and all i see is a black screen, it works fine once i logged in though with 144hz ... really weird. Any suggestions where to look why this happens?
[01:50] <MarkB3> It's a dataflow instruments language.  http://www.ni.com .
[01:50] <stefandxm> i googled it briefly
[01:50] <stefandxm> but how does it differ to matlab/simulink/mathemtica?
[01:51] <Psi-Jack> MarkB3 But you will need a shrubbery, first.
[01:51] <Psi-Jack> Sounds like off-topic though, for this channel, guys. :)
[01:51] <MarkB3> psi-Jack: Okay.. I'll bite... "shrubbery" ?
[01:51] <MarkB3> True.
[01:54] <MarkB3> stefandxm, sarnold: thank you.  It's running.  I am greatly relieved.
[01:54] <MarkB3> And now I'm off to bed.  Tomorrow is another day.
[01:54] <stefandxm> nighty :)
[01:55] <stefandxm> now go learn some serious language
[01:55] <stefandxm> ;p
[01:56] <sarnold> padarc: maybe check xrandr output to see what the monitor claims it can support?
[02:05] <padarc> sarnold, 1920x1080 143.88*+ ... but now it gets really weird ... when i set the monitor to 99hz, the login screen shows, anything above it, it does not ... but it can run once i logged in at 144hz without problems ... the monitor menu also tells me it runs at 144hz.
[02:05] <s3nd1v0g1us> why cant i replce my login background image by editing gdm3.css? (19.10)
[02:06] <padarc> sarnold, but somehow the login screen thing only "supports" 99hz on my machine. Im confused
[02:06] <sarnold> padarc: heh, I didn't realize that you could easily change what happened at the login prompt
[02:07] <padarc> sarnold, i login, change the hertz and logout. thats how i do it
[02:07] <s3nd1v0g1us> Am i expressing it incorrectly: url(resource:///root/home/me/image.jpg);
[02:07] <padarc> i can login blind, just hitting enter and typing the password :P
[02:08] <sarnold> s3nd1v0g1us: I've got several wild guesses: (a) try file:///  instead of resources:/// (b) what the heck is that /root/ doing in there?
[02:08] <s3nd1v0g1us> i tried file as well
[02:08] <s3nd1v0g1us> does root need not be there?
[02:09] <s3nd1v0g1us> ill try that
[02:09] <s3nd1v0g1us> but that is the correct file to edit yes?
[02:10] <sarnold> well, if you've stored your file in /root but you're not running as root you'll have trouble getting to the file
[02:11] <s3nd1v0g1us> so then just file:///home/me/file.jpg?
[02:14] <sarnold> yeah, try that
[02:31] <Mystified> hi all, have a 2-1 laptop, are you guys able to share how increase the size of the touch screen keys while in tablet mode. Thanks in advance
[02:53] <TheRedRipper> help!!!
[02:53] <TheRedRipper> i ran the command sudo apt install teletalk, and a bunch of my stuff got deleted, including file manager, and it wont open
[02:55] <sarnold> !info teletalk
[02:55] <sarnold> !info teletalk bionic
[02:55] <sarnold> hrm
[02:57] <sarnold> I can'
[02:57] <sarnold> t find any information about this teletalk package; where'd you find it?
[02:57] <sarnold> you use apt install whatevver to bring back the other packages you want
[02:57] <sarnold> and /var/log/dpkg.log should have a list of what was done, though it's not the most legible file..
[03:00] <leftyfb> there is no debian/ubuntu package anywhere. There are old shell scripts to install modem drivers, but none of those are supported here and I wouldn't go running them
[03:00] <leftyfb> TheRedRipper: what got deleted exactly and why do you say it got deleted?
[03:01] <leftyfb> TheRedRipper: also, what version of ubuntu are you running?
[03:23] <Mystified> ufw only has one app in the app list
[03:23] <Mystified> how to update the list
[03:26] <sarnold> Mystified: those apps are supplied by the installed packages
[03:28] <sarnold> Mystified: you can see what's installed in /etc/ufw/applcations.d -- and find the ones that are packaged via apt-file search /etc/ufw/applications.d/
[03:28] <robertparkerx> I've got a user I created for vsftpd. I gave it access to a path on a mounted drive only. It seems like it is working but I have noticed today I can use the details to connect via SCP/SFTP too. How can I stop that and ONLY allow ftp.
[03:35] <leftyfb> robertparkerx: add the user to a DenyUsers list in sshd_config and/or disable the shell for the user (/bin/false)
[03:38] <robertparkerx> leftyfb do I need to restart my server after doing the DenyUsers in sshd_config
[03:38] <leftyfb> yes
[03:38] <robertparkerx> isn't it shutdown -r now
[03:38] <robertparkerx> I forgot
[03:39] <sarnold> sudo systemctl restart ssh  -- should do the job
[03:41] <robertparkerx> Yep I think that did it
[03:41] <robertparkerx> I couldn't connect via SCP anymore
[03:43] <robertparkerx> Thanks alot sarnold leftyfb
[03:43] <sarnold> can they still connect with vsftp?
[03:44] <robertparkerx> Yes
[03:44] <sarnold> nice nice
[03:46] <robertparkerx> I made users for rtorrent irssi znc mysql and redis. Some were installed on their own from packages but some were with no passwords. Should I check those to see if they can connect via ssh ?
[03:46] <robertparkerx> Or can they?
[03:47] <sarnold> that's a good idea
[03:47] <sarnold> I also recommend disabling password authentication in ssh altogether
[03:47] <sarnold> check vsftp too
[03:47] <robertparkerx> Well my root user is by key
[03:49] <robertparkerx> Is that better sarnold
[03:49] <Mystified> sarnold: I'm not nuch of a techie, the folder only has cups.
[03:49] <Mystified> how do I add others
[03:50] <Mystified> sarnold:  btw thanks
[03:53] <sarnold> robertparkerx: so long as those user accounts *can* authentication with passwords, then attackers on the internet can brute-force try passwords
[03:53] <sarnold> Mystified: you could write your own files for your services and contribute them back to the packagers if you wished
[03:57] <Mystified> i come from a time when the home pc had not arrived in schools system in the 80's. I have no no knowledge of coding or scripting. I use terminals via guides.
[03:58] <Mystified> I wish I could do more but have zero understanding of building pkgs or making changes
[03:59] <Mystified> in other linux ufw has a list of packages un their folders
[04:00] <stefandxm> what is your question mystified?
[04:03] <Mystified> i wish to add qbittorrent to my applist, in 19.10 the app is not listed as an option.
[04:04] <Mystified> as stated the only app listed is cups in the app list
[04:06] <sarnold> interesting, there's a handful of bittorrent clients listed in https://git.launchpad.net/ufw/tree/profiles/ufw-bittorent
[04:07] <stefandxm> Mystified: why not add a port range?
[04:08] <stefandxm> Mystified: and configure the same range in the app you use?
[04:09] <stefandxm> from first example sudo ufw allow 6000:6007/tcp and sudo ufw allow 6000:6007/udp
[04:09] <stefandxm> just add your port range
[04:09] <stefandxm> and add the same in your bittorent client
[04:12] <Mystified> thanks
[04:12] <stefandxm> tbh thats how you usually add firewall rules
[04:12] <stefandxm> adding a program is very much a hack and intrusive
[04:13] <stefandxm> but you might want to add more than 7 ports :)
[04:13] <stefandxm> maybe a 2-3000 would be ok
[04:15] <Mystified> thanks
[04:16] <robertparkerx> This might be OT but could you make ubuntu server a NAS for windows machine(s)?
[04:16] <stefandxm> robertparkerx: yes
[04:16] <stefandxm> robertparkerx: just run samba
[04:17] <stefandxm> robertparkerx: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-and-configure-samba#1-overview
[04:17] <stefandxm> samba is "windows file sharing"
[04:20] <robertparkerx> tyvm
[04:20] <robertparkerx> I bookmarked this
[04:21] <Mystified> another questions guys, I have a 2 in 1, the touch screen keys are to small how to make them larger.
[04:22] <sarnold> sorry, no idea on that one
[04:22] <sarnold> but, you've been asking that at a fair rate, not too often, thanks for the patience :D
[04:39] <Psi-Jack> So, hmm. How does one actually change what GDM theme is used in Ubuntu 19.10 (or 18.04 for that matter?)
[04:49] <Psi-Jack> It looks, kind of to be and update-alternatives command, to change it, but, I installed tropic-gdm-theme, and see no gdm3.css file in the package at all.
[05:02] <krytarik> Psi-Jack: Given that one was last updated about 14 years ago, I'd be kind of surprised if it'd even work with the current version of GDM though. :3
[05:02] <Psi-Jack> lol
[05:03] <Psi-Jack> yeah.. Probably... Cruft.
[05:16] <littlekimmy> hi
[05:16] <littlekimmy> how does my ISP block sites, I don't prefer to use VPN as it's slow
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> littlekimmy: how does this relate to ubuntu?
[05:16] <littlekimmy> I intend to use dns that is unblocked, I use google's <IP_ADDRESS> but still it's blocked
[05:16] <Psi-Jack> littlekimmy: Contact ISP, Ask them.
[05:17] <littlekimmy> no ISPs don't help this is a linux issue
[05:17] <Psi-Jack> No, it's not.
[05:17] <littlekimmy> what's the method they use to block ? so that i can unblock ? tell me
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> littlekimmy: /join ##networking
[05:26] <Mystified> sarnold: I appreciate your assistance !
[05:28] <littlekimmy> hey i got kicked on ##networking
[05:28] <littlekimmy> so i ask here, how do i unblock using dns request hiding
[05:28] <Psi-Jack> Stop.
[05:29] <littlekimmy> I'd like ubuntu to hide those dns requests os it's an ubuntu question
[05:29] <Psi-Jack> It's not an Ubuntu question.
[05:38] <ducasse> littlekimmy: helping you bypass isp blocking is against channel policy, so you won't get help with it here
[05:40] <krytarik> Psi-Jack: https://git.launchpad.net/~laney/yaru/+git/trunk/tree/debian/yaru-theme-gnome-shell.postinst - wrt your actual question though, this is how it's done on the Yaru theme, for example.
[05:40] <Psi-Jack> Hmmmmm.... Well that is something.
[05:45] <Citizen-Se7en> When updating my system via the terminal, should I use "apt" or "apt-get?"  Is there any real difference between the two?
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> Citizen-Se7en: depends on your ubuntu version
[05:46] <Citizen-Se7en> lotuspsychje: I running 18.04 LTS
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> Citizen-Se7en: then apt should do the trick for you
[05:47] <Citizen-Se7en> lotuspsychje: Awesome, thank you for your help.
[05:55] <Citizen-Se7en> lotuspsychje: Just out of curiosity, what's the actual difference between the two?
[06:04] <Citizen-Se7en> lotuspsychje: disregard, I did some poking around online and found my answer.  Thanks again for helping me earlier.
[07:40] <Tuor> how can I find out how often and when unattended-upgrades is being run?
[07:40] <Tuor> Hi (first...)
[07:50] <ducasse> Tuor: it should be recorded in /var/log/apt/history.log i think
[08:07] <konrados> Hello. I'm not a gamer, this is the first time I install a game in a long time, hence a pretty silly question. This game isn't managed by a package manager, it's just a zip file with a compiled app. Where am I supposed to unpack it? /usr/games/  or /usr/share/games/ or /usr/local/games/ ?
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> konrados: you could try the #gamingonlinux community if you like
[08:24] <konrados> lotuspsychje, but I have this question also in case of everything else, not only games. I have a program, not managed by package manager, should it go to /usr/local/bin or /usr/share? I do already get that it should not go to /usr/bin because this dir is managed by package manager, but what about share vs local?
[08:24] <konrados> thanks for the gaming channel name though, I think I'll spend there some time :)
[08:26] <raj> which version of python does ubuntu 18.04 install?
[08:26] <raj> If I install python3
[08:26] <geirha> it depends on the game/app. Some gather all files in a single directory (the windows and mac way), while others like to spread them out into $prefix/lib $prefix/bin etc (the unix and linux way)
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> !18.04 | raj
[08:27] <geirha> for the latter, /usr/local is a good place. For the former, I'd likely go with /opt/nameofapp/
[08:27] <konrados> raj my fresh 118.04 says Python 2.7.17
[08:27] <raj> thank you
[08:28] <geirha> python 3.6.9 on 18.04.4
[08:28] <raj> does installing `python` now refer to python 3?
[08:28] <geirha> no, python is still python2
[08:29] <raj> k
[08:31] <konrados> geirha, ok, so ... never should I use  '/usr/share/xyz'? or '/usr/local/share'? I mean, when adding stuff manually?
[08:31] <raj> thank you geirha
[08:31] <raj> …oh he left?
[08:31] <geirha> konrados: A good rule of thumb is to never touch /usr manually, only /usr/local
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> !dirs | konrados see also
[08:32] <raj> so weird, I can't highlight your geirha
[08:32] <raj> quirks of quassel I guess
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> !tab | raj
[08:33] <konrados> geirha, got it, thank you!
[08:33] <raj> lol, yes I'm aware lotuspsychje
[08:51] <bulgiewulgie> Is there a way to get rid of snapd without breaking stuff or is it pretty much deeply infected into everything now?
[08:58] <sixwheeledbeast> bulgiewulgie: just purge the package, the only thing that will likely complain is apparmor and any snap packages you may have.
[08:58] <bulgiewulgie> cool, thank you
[08:58] <mcurasya> hello!
[08:59] <Microwav> morning, quick question i have an issue with rsyslog after executing logrotate log files are not written anymore they stay at 0 bytes until i manually restart rsyslog
[08:59] <Microwav> running on 18.04.3 LTS
[09:01] <Microwav> my log rotate was 3.11 but i manually build the 3.15 from source packages and that did not help either, should i see if there's a newer package for rsyslog that i should manually build?
[09:02] <vlt> Hello. I'm using olive-editor from ppa:olive-editor/olive-editor on Ubuntu 18.04.  Does anyone have an idea why the same project file with the same video source files on one of my machines renders with a silent audio track (even though the waveform is drawn in the preview clips)?
[09:03] <vlt> (And is there a more appropriate channel?)
[09:18] <CarlFK> vlt: what audio format are you encoding to, and do you have that installed?  (guessing no.  this is about all I can offer, other than have a look at shotcut (what I use
[10:06] <zetheroo> when I am connected to my work VPN (openvpn) and I want to use Nautilus to browse the work network shares I get this error popup: 'failed to retrieve share list from server: connection timed out'
[10:06] <zetheroo> this is when I enter something like smb://servername/ in the Location or Connect to Server address bar
[10:07] <zetheroo> but I have no problem doing this for my home NAS
[10:16] <Tuor> ducasse: I can see when It did run. I found out how I can see when it will: systemctl list-timers
[10:19] <vlt> CarlFK: Thank you. I tried exporting (from olive) to the default audio codecs (pcm, aac) of several container formats. Judging by its command line output olive seems to use ffmpeg under the hood for the encoding. Using just ffmpeg to transcode single files works perfectly fine.
[10:20] <vlt> CarlFK: The strange thing is that the expected audio track is present in the exported mp4 or mov file, but completely silent.
[10:21] <vlt> zetheroo: Is it a tun or tap VPN?
[10:22] <zetheroo> vlt: tun
[10:27] <vlt> zetheroo: I'm no samba expert but *maybe* some broadcast messages don't make it to your side with a tun connection.
[10:38] <Forza> Hi. Does netplan support fixed+dhcp on a bond?
[10:46] <Microwav> tcpdump for the win
[10:47] <zetheroo> vlt: I was just informed by one of my colleagues in the office that they have the same problem
[10:50] <Forza> Or is it supported in Ubuntu by any means?
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> !netplan | Forza
[10:58] <Forza> Im using systems-networks. I did try to look up the examples and doc but could not get it to work with both dhcp4 and fixed ip. Either on their own works. Netplan - - debug did not complain
[11:00] <Forza> Perhaps it's networkd that doesn't like the combo
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> Forza: are you on ubuntu server?
[11:01] <Forza> Yes
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> Forza: come join at #ubuntu-server they might help you a better way over there
[11:02] <Forza> That's a thought. Thanks
[12:14] <rory> On Ubuntu MATE you can hold alt then click and drag anywhere on a window to move it. Can such a feature be enabled on vanilla Ubuntu?
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> rory: you could check the hotkeys section in systemsettings, and maybe look at some tweaks in dconf-editor
[12:20] <muhaha> guys, is it normal that openvpn will not work with network manager out of the box?  seems there is missing permissions for creating tuntap device...
[12:21] <Psi-Jack> muhaha: Huh? No.
[12:22] <Psi-Jack> And, to create a tuntap device, that requires root. root has all permissions.
[12:22] <muhaha> So how can network manager create tuntap device onbehalf then ?
[12:22] <Psi-Jack> because NetworkManager runs as root.
[12:23] <muhaha> hm, seems there is another problem then :X
[12:23] <muhaha> Maybe wrong import of opn config file ?
[12:23] <muhaha> sudo openvpn config.conf is working, but network manager can not connect
[12:28] <melatonina> Hello
[12:28] <melatonina> Does anybody know the syntax to play an audio file via pulseaudio with ffplay?
[12:28] <melatonina> The online documentation is wrong
[12:31] <NorthwestVegan> mel, you should be able to just to ffplay -i song.mp3
[12:31] <melatonina> that won't use pulseaudio
[12:31] <melatonina> and will fail is there is any other application playing back at the same time. Even if Spotify is paused
[12:32] <NorthwestVegan> i mean, it plays for me, and im running pulse?
[12:32] <melatonina> The fact that you are running pulseaudio does not imply that ffplay is using pulseaudio to play your file
[12:34] <NorthwestVegan> i guess i dont understand the distinction
[12:34] <melatonina> My system is running pulseaudio, too. This is what happens if I play a file with ffplay: "No more combinations to try, audio open failed"
[12:36] <melatonina> NorthwestVegan: pulseaudio uses some device driver. Audio device drivers comes in different kinds and can be accessed in different ways. On my system ffplay attempts to use ALSA drivers by default: "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1108:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[12:36] <melatonina> SDL_OpenAudio (1 channels, 44100 Hz): ALSA: Couldn't open audio device: Device or resource busy"
[12:44] <NorthwestVegan> mel, try this: ffmpeg -i ./Documents/numbers_station.mp3 -f pulse default
[12:46] <frenda> Hi. My system cannot boot and remains on the following page: https://u.teknik.io/f0o1y.png
[12:48] <frenda> ؤدغ هیثش؟
[12:49] <frenda> Any idea?
[12:49] <Psi-Jack> English please.
[12:49] <frenda> I can not boot my system. I even didn't any update on the previous session when I was logged in.
[12:51] <melatonina> NorthwestVegan: that's what the docs suggest. Result:" Argument 'default' provided as input filename, but '/home/maurizio/Music/Selena Gomez - Back To You.wav' was already specified."
[12:51] <NorthwestVegan> did you use ffmpeg no?
[12:51] <NorthwestVegan> dont do ffplay
[12:52] <NorthwestVegan> ffplay gave me the same error
[12:52] <NorthwestVegan> but ffmpeg worked
[12:52] <NorthwestVegan> and i was able to select alsa or pulse
[12:53] <pragmaticenigma> frenda: Did you force power off your machine previously?
[12:54] <frenda> no, i didn't
[12:55] <pragmaticenigma> !recovery | frenda , this is all I could suggest you try for now ... look through logs and look for errors in them :
[12:56] <frenda> ubottu "look through logs", in recovery mode?
[12:57] <frenda> pragmaticenigma  ^
[12:58] <pragmaticenigma> frenda: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxLogFiles
[12:59] <melatonina> NorthwestVegan: good point. In this case, I get: "[PulseAudio muxer @ 0x555cee47a080] Cannot connect context: Access denied." I'm trying to google about this message but I have no luck so far
[12:59] <NorthwestVegan> are you running the desktop and your terminal is logged in as the user running the desktop?
[13:01] <frenda> pragmaticenigma ok thnx
[13:01] <NorthwestVegan> if i do the same command as a different user in my terminal i get "[PulseAudio muxer @ 0x564114344ac0] Cannot connect context: Access denied.
[13:01] <NorthwestVegan> "
[13:02] <NorthwestVegan> so that would be my guess melatonin
[13:02] <melatonina> NorthwestVegan: I was running the command from a console inside IntelliJ IDEA. I run the same command in a Terminal and it works. I don't know what is the difference
[13:03] <NorthwestVegan> yeah thats gotta be the problem
[13:05] <melatonina> I'll need to run that command as subprocess of an application I routinely run in an IDEA terminal tab... What's the difference?
[13:08] <NorthwestVegan> idk mel, but i would google stuff about allowing pulse access to all users, or disable the checking of the pulse authorization
[13:08] <NorthwestVegan> cause that seems the issue
[13:11] <melatonina> NorthwestVegan: thanks. You helped me much.
[13:11] <NorthwestVegan> no problem :) hope you figure it out completely
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:26] <tomreyn> frenda: any luck? do you need more suggestions?
[13:27] <ioria> melatonina, i haven't follow the entire discussion, but this might help : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58890173/intellij-terminal-behaving-differently-than-ubuntu-terminal-for-pulseaudio-pacmd
[13:27] <x0n-> what's the recommended method of installing ubuntu to USB with encrypted persistence?
[13:38] <frenda> tomreyn: the root partition was full: 100%; I removed some bif files in /home/frenda and now It's working
[13:38] <frenda> big*
[13:39] <tomreyn> ah very well. i noted i can't access https://u.teknik.io/f0o1y.png but apparently that's an issue with the resolver i'm using
[13:39] <tomreyn> https://quad9.com/result/?url=u.teknik.io
[13:51] <eloh> i have this code to save gps coords in txt file but it doesnt write in file
[13:52] <eloh> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23852413/get-geolocation-by-javascript-and-save-it-to-text-file-via-php
[13:58] <tomreyn> eloh: looks like a php question?
[13:59] <tomreyn> ah this will be why you cross posted this to ##php
[14:08] <ChiLLabiS> .
[14:29] <code1o6> Hi all, I wanted to make a custom ubuntu live cd. I'd like to include some files(python programs I wrote) and some .deb packages. Are there any tools to do this? is this the right channel to ask?
[14:31] <fury> so i have xset dpms 900 900 900 in my ~/.xinitrc, i occasionally manually type it in just for good measure, but still, some days, i come back and my monitors are still on. how do i get it to turn off my monitors for realsies, without it full-on going to sleep?
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> code1o6: Support here is for the officially offered Ubuntu flavors and packages offered in the official ubuntu repositories. You can try asking in #ubuntu-app-devel, but you're probably going to have more success researching. Here is a starting point: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> fury: Try setting each of those off by one... so 899 900 901
[14:33] <fury> sounds good. will give that a shot. thanks! :)
[14:35] <code1o6> @pragmaticenigma, this is great link/resource although it is a bit outdated I think it should do the the trick with what I'm looking to do
[14:36] <code1o6> *sorry about the @ haha habit
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> code1o6: I'm not sure to what you are referring to. I have not spoken to you before
[14:42] <code1o6> pragmaticenigma, you just did a couple of minutes ago...
[14:43] <pragmaticenigma> sorry... had two people going at the same time
[14:45] <pragmaticenigma> code1o6: that is all I can provide for assistance. You're welcome to build your own disk, but in most cases, it's easier to run the stock and then modify. Or leverage Preseed to preset what packages you want installed by default, but that does not provide a mechanism for installing your own custom applications (as far as I know)
[14:47] <code1o6> pragmaticenigma, when you mean stock and then modify it. You mean make a clean install on a virtual machine, make my modification, and then repackage it to a livecd?
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> no
[14:56] <Confuzzled2050> Can someone please help explain (in simple terms) what the following error is, and how I might go about resolving it? "missing_dot_in_first_path_element/"
[14:57] <tomreyn> where do you see it? context needed.
[14:58] <Confuzzled2050> Using Ubuntu server. Trying to "go build" a project.
[14:59] <tomreyn> sounds like a "go" question then.
[14:59] <tomreyn> !alis
[14:59] <Confuzzled2050> Thank you, I'll ask in there.
[14:59] <tomreyn> also a web search for the error message should help
[14:59] <tomreyn> (it often does)
[14:59] <Confuzzled2050> I did. It confused me futher. I always check Google, before asking others for help.
[15:00] <tomreyn> ok, good :)
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> Confuzzled2050: since there are a lot of channels... Go offical channel is #go-lang
[15:02] <Confuzzled2050> Thank you. I'll join there now.
[15:03] <Confuzzled2050> There's no-one in #Go-land
[15:03] <Confuzzled2050> #Go-lang*
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> Confuzzled2050: https://golang.org/help/
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> Confuzzled2050: Sorry... it was #go-nuts
[15:05] <Confuzzled2050> Yah, I'm in there now. Thanks.
[15:22] <p0a> the latest ubuntu is kinda buggy for me,
[15:23] <p0a> I was writing stuff on emacs and somehow the control went over to firefox in the URL bar; the text I was writing was underlined, and there was an `e' that I couldn't erase
[15:23] <p0a> there was no way to regain control of where I was writing unless I pressed ente
[15:23] <p0a> I really can't reproduce this right now but I was wondering if this is something that you are aware of
[15:23] <pragmaticenigma> p0a: That sounds more like a user problem... possibly pressed Ctrl or Alt key by accident when reaching for the shift key?
[15:24] <p0a> pragmaticenigma: not really -- it was buggy.
[15:24] <p0a> pragmaticenigma: for example, the text in the URL bar was underlined. Also, it was impossible to delete the first `e' letter; opening a new tab would show a weird string
[15:24] <p0a> pragmaticenigma: and switching to emacs would not allow me to write anything, all my keys were being sent to firefox
[15:26] <p0a> I mean, it's possible, but I really doubt
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> p0a: That doesn't sound like a bug... I have never had firefox take over focus on its own. Something in the way you have configured your machine sounds to be the culprit. Look at disabling extensions and plugins... and also try to recreate the issue. If you can't recreate it, it's not something that can be fixed
[15:26] <freakynl> p0a: updated stuff whilst the apps were open? And no clue who you mean by 'you', this is mostly a community channel. Official way is the bugtracker, but kinda hard if you can't reproduce
[15:26] <p0a> updated yeah, also firefox is vanilla
[15:26] <p0a> Unfortunately I can't reproduce :P I have no idea what happened
[15:32] <ceed^> What's the latest kernel package for Ubtunu 19.10? Is it: linux-image-5.3.0-40-generic ?
[15:32] <leftyfb> ceed^: linux-image-generic
[15:32] <theborger> what is the name of the package manager in 18.03? part of gnome i cant remember the name
[15:33] <leftyfb> theborger: there is no ubuntu version 18.03
[15:33] <theborger> 18.03
[15:33] <theborger> jesus
[15:33] <theborger> 18.04
[15:33] <leftyfb> theborger: Ubuntu uses apt, apt-get, dpkg
[15:33] <leftyfb> theborger: if you're talking about GUI, then you might be referring to "Ubuntu Software"
[15:34] <ceed^> leftyfb: But what does it say when doing uname -a with the latest kernel installed?
[15:34] <theborger> leftyfb: that is it yes GUI
[15:34] <leftyfb> ceed^: depends on what kernel people have installed. What does it say when you type it? What is your issue exactly?
[15:36] <leftyfb> !info linux-image-generic
[15:36] <ceed^> leftyfb: Okay, so what does it say if you do a vanlilla ubuntu install and let the installer choose the kernel and you've done all the updates? That's all I need to know. Someone messed with my laptop and removed some kernels so now it says 5.3.0-29-generic.
[15:37] <p0a> ceed^: wow
[15:37] <p0a> someone walked up, grabbed your laptop and removed some kernel stuff?
[15:37] <leftyfb> ceed^: apt-cache policy linux-image-generic  # this will show you the latest available kernel version. If it's not up to date, just run: sudo apt install linux-image-generic
[15:38] <ceed^> p0a: Yes, he was helping me to "fix" a wifi probllem. And it was fixed. Now I need to know what the latest pacakge is. Is it 5.3.0-29-generic ?
[15:38] <leftyfb> ceed^: apt-cache policy linux-image-generic  # this will show you the latest available kernel version. If it's not up to date, just run: sudo apt install linux-image-generic
[15:38] <theborger> leftyfb: thanks for the help
[15:39] <ceed^> leftyfb: Thanks! So it's <IP_ADDRESS>.34. That's all I needed to know :)
[15:39] <leftyfb> ceed^: is that what apt told you?
[15:41] <ceed^> leftyfb: It's what ceed^: "apt-cache policy linux-image-generic" told me
[15:45] <chull> my husband is using Ubuntu 18.04. It keeps freezing and he has to reboot. He can't speak and hear. He reads. He's got a problem with LibreOffice only loading part of his files. it opened pages for the files, but each one shows "page 1 of 1 | 0 words, 0 characters"
[15:46] <chull> I'm not sure how to help him. I think each page is in a different directory, so it's not a simple thing.
[15:48] <fructose> chull: What format are the files in?
[15:49] <chull> fructose, lovely to see you. He saves as .odt
[15:51] <fructose> chull: AbiWord and Apache OpenOffice should also be capable of opening ODT files
[15:52] <chull> fructose, this is true. I'm not sure he can tell which files they were, or where in his computer.
[15:56] <fructose> chull: find ~/ -type f -iname "*.odt" 2> /dev/null
[15:56] <tomreyn> chull: greetings to you ans your husband. about the freezes, can you post     journalctl -b -1 | nc termbin.com 9999      and      journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999     - this would share what was logged during the previous and current kernel runtime
[15:56] <tomreyn> * anD
[15:56] <fructose> chull: Running that command should show every ODT file stored in the home directory
[15:57] <chull> ok.. tomreyn fantastic to see you!
[15:57] <chull> I'm not sure how to help him. I think each page is in a different directory, so it's not a simple thing.
[15:57] <chull> oops. there are 12 or so documents that opened properly and six that did not. The ones that did not say (Remote)
[15:58] <tomreyn> so those must have been opened from a network share or other remote location which is not available now.
[16:00] <tomreyn> it could also be a storage that is not currently connected / not found by Libreoffice.
[16:00] <ceed^> leftyfb: I now know what the guy did to help me get wifi working again: Removed latest kernel: linux-image-5.3.0-40-generic since it breaks my Intel wifi connection. I'm now back on linux-image-5.3.0-29-generic and wifi works.
[16:01] <chull> tomreyn, hmm he's only got the one hard drive that i know of.
[16:02] <chull> tomreyn, do you have a cat command that can pastebin the results of the command you gave?
[16:03] <p0a> chull: take a look at termbin
[16:03] <tomreyn> chull: those commands should post something online and just return a URL
[16:03] <chull> oh great sorry
[16:03] <p0a> chull: https://termbin.com/
[16:04] <chull>  journalctl -b -1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:05] <chull> https://termbin.com/u3hh
[16:05] <chull> journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:05] <chull> https://termbin.com/rgbi
[16:06] <nasvks> Hello all, I tried download the following Vagrant box - https://app.vagrantup.com/ubuntu/boxes/disco64. Not sure whether that's supported by Ubuntu or not, so please ignore if not. When I run 'vagrant up' it looks for the box at https://vagrantcloud.com/ubuntu/boxes/disco64/versions/20200122.0.0/providers/virtualbox.box and redirects to https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/disco/current/disco-server-cloudimg-amd64-vagrant.box which presents me
[16:06] <nasvks> with a 404 Not Found. I've looked at the file list at cloud-images.ubuntu.com but can't seem to find the box. I'm going to try a different box but thought that this might be worth reporting.
[16:07] <leftyfb> nasvks: Ubuntu 19.04 is EOL
[16:07] <p0a> I thought 19.04 is TLS
[16:07] <p0a> I mean, LTS *
[16:07] <leftyfb> p0a: negative
[16:07] <leftyfb> p0a: 18.04 is LTS
[16:08] <leftyfb> p0a: 20.04 will be LTS
[16:08] <p0a> leftyfb: that explains why my OS upgraded to 19.10
[16:08] <p0a> thanks
[16:08] <leftyfb> p0a: Ubuntu will never upgrade to the next release on it's own
[16:08] <p0a> leftyfb: Well -- yeah.  Well perhaps that version should be deleted from the Vagrant Cloud then.
[16:10] <chalcedony> chull i'm here
[16:11] <Guest5628> could i pick some brains, doing fresh install from liveusb, asking for partitions for ntfs m.2 hdd, dont know what to select or how much space
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> nasvks: Perhaps, but we are volunteers here, and Vagrant is not a part of Canonical or Ubuntu. So even if it was a supported version, you would need to reach out to them
[16:11] <leftyfb> nasvks: feel free to contact Vagrant
[16:12] <nasvks> Got it. Thanks for info.
[16:12] <Ool> you can use vagrant with your own image
[16:13] <leftyfb> or just pick an image that's current and supported
[16:13] <Guest5628> dev.sda1 as ntfs is the drive i want to use, needs formating but not sure what to format it into.
[16:16] <nasvks> Yeah, I was looking to quickly spin up a version that shipped with Kea 1.4 to test something specific. Can't find a Bionic backport for it. Anyway, not to worry! Thank you all :)
[16:16] <tomreyn> chull: this system is running a 4.15 linux kernel on a somewhat recent Ryzen 5 2600X CPU. it may be wise to use a more recent kernel there, namely:
[16:16] <tomreyn> !LTSE
[16:16] <chalcedony> wow that might explain what's wrong
[16:20] <tomreyn> chull: what also puzzles me is that these logs cut off very early. this could be caused by disks running full. does    df -h | grep -v ^/dev/loop   or     df -hi | grep -v ^/dev/loop    report "100%" on the "Use" or "IUse" columns?
[16:20] <tomreyn> * "Use%" or "IUse%" columns
[16:20] <Guest5628> how do i use my nick insted of guest? im so old now
[16:21] <tomreyn> !register | Guest5628
[16:23] <chalcedony> hmm looking tomreyn
[16:26] <Guest5628> can someone please help, im stuck at formating hdd for install.
[16:26] <leftyfb> !register | Guest5628
[16:26] <leftyfb> Guest5628: are you looking to keep anything on your drive or just use the entire thing for ubuntu?
[16:26] <Guest5628> !register  khanm78 Leona2002
[16:26] <p0a> Guest5628: I think you just gave away your username and passwored
[16:26] <Guest5628> how to change guest to my nick?
[16:26] <leftyfb> Guest5628: please go to the link for instructions. And use a different and better password
[16:27] <leftyfb> Guest5628: click on the link
[16:27] <Guest5628> its a throw away one.
[16:27] <leftyfb> Guest5628: For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration
[16:27] <p0a> Guest5628: good. Hope you don't use that password for other services.
[16:27] <p0a> (if you do, time to change it)
[16:28] <chalcedony> tomreyn, df -hi | grep -v ^/dev/loop  everything shows IUse% 1% dev/sda1 Inodes 117M IUsed 677K 116M = 1% /  is the most
[16:28] <Guest5628> no lol, this is first time using xchat so always use a throw away account till i learn then remake with better details.
[16:28] <chalcedony> chull ^
[16:29] <Guest5628> i have registered the nick it identifys me but wont change from guest to nick.
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> !regain
[16:29] <chalcedony> Guest5628, hexchat is the newer XChat
[16:29] <Guest5628> !regain khanm78
[16:29] <leftyfb> Guest5628: please type /join #freenode       and ask for help there
[16:30] <Guest5628> kk
[16:31] <Guest5628> ok joined but name still guest, also says im already logged in as my nick, khanm78
[16:32] <chalcedony> tomreyn, i pastebinned his results https://pastebin.com/sjUAyMEK
[16:32] <leftyfb> Guest5628: ask for help with your nick in that channel. Stop asking for help with your nick here
[16:33] <Psi-Jack> SimonNL_Afk: Away nick changes? Bad idea.
[16:33] <Guest5628> kk ty
[16:33] <Psi-Jack> SimonNL_Afk: Also, against channel policy.
[16:35] <Guest5628> just an update, didnt mean to segway to nickserv, actualy wanted help with install, install is asking for hdd configuration, would like to know what format I should use for the ntfs drive i want to use
[16:35] <leftyfb> Guest5628: are you looking to keep anything on your drive or just use the entire thing for ubuntu?
[16:35] <leftyfb> Guest5628: also, you don't use ntfs for ubuntu
[16:35] <Guest5628> no i already formated it, just want to install destro
[16:36] <compdoc> let ubuntu format your drive
[16:36] <leftyfb> Guest5628: you don't need to format to install ubuntu. It will take care of it. Please answer my question above
[16:37] <Guest5628> all drive for instal keep nothing
[16:37] <Guest5628> window is showing devices and type, not just selct and next
[16:38] <leftyfb> Guest5628: what version of ubuntu are you installing?
[16:39] <Guest5628> when i try and use the auto drive select it only shows my 1tb, but i want to use the 250gb drive, also its kubuntu 18.04 lts
[16:40] <leftyfb> Guest5628: start the install over, pick "Guided - use entire disk" from this window https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/thumb/c/c6/Disksetup-15_10.png/800px-Disksetup-15_10.png
[16:43] <Guest5628> yes i have that option but it selects the wrong drive.  guided instal only has sdb1 ntfs 1tb as an option, i am trying to use  sda1 250gb option.
[16:43] <leftyfb> power off your computer and unplug all other drives. Then start the install over
[16:44] <Guest5628> kk ill give taht a go. know its anoying but thanks for sticking with this old guy.
[16:51] <tomreyn> chalcedony: sorry, i got distracted. so the disk did not run full. there must be some other reason why the logs did not transfer fully. but i suggest you do the kernel upgrade first of all.
[16:53] <chalcedony> tomaw, we started it, i assume it downloaded. He went to sleep.
[16:53] <tomreyn> i see, ok
[16:53] <chalcedony> tomaw, what needs to be done next? can i do it with putty?
[16:53] <chalcedony> tomreyn.
[16:54] <tomreyn> if you downloaded and installed the newer kernel and X as doscussed on the wiki, you'd need to reboot.
[16:54] <chalcedony> he can do that.
[16:54] <chalcedony> thank you much :)
[16:55] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[16:56] <chalcedony> :)
[17:20] <linext> is it possible to reach the GRUB boot prompt by tapping ESC during boot?
[17:21] <SimonNL_Afk> where does this all of a sudden come from doing it for more then 3 years already
[17:21] <Psi-Jack> SimonNL: Please disable that.
[17:21] <Psi-Jack> SimonNL: It's actually in /topic, channel policies.
[17:21] <SimonNL> I have no intention
[17:22] <Psi-Jack> Don't use public away messages
[17:22] <SimonNL> ok
[17:48] <Elliria> Hey there, how do I reach a package maintainer if they're listed on Launchpad, but no public email is provided?
[17:49] <sarnold> ubuntu doesn't really have 'package maintainers'; it's probably best to file a bug report
[17:49] <sarnold> that way, anyone who has subscribed to bug mails for that package can see it
[17:50] <Elliria> Okay, thank you.
[18:32] <kenperkins> Is there an easy way to switch between stereo and mono+mic for bluetooth on ubuntu?
[18:46] <kenperkins> I discovered that spotify doesn't respect the window scaling factor, but you can override it with a command line flag. I found 2 spotify.desktop files, both in /snap/spotify, which one should I edit? they are both marked as read-only
[18:47] <sarnold> because they are stored in a squashfs you can't modify them directly; you'll get new ones as the snap is updated, too
[18:47] <sarnold> you *might* be able to use a bindmount on top of the thing to make the file editable, but that's a wild guess
[18:47] <kenperkins> sarnold: great tip; so what should I do?
[18:47] <sarnold> kenperkins: I'd file a bug report with the snap authors, they might as well know that people want to scale their app :)
[18:48] <ActionParsnip> Max0815: if its your system partition and you aren't using LVM then you will need to boot to Ubuntu live CD and resize there. You can use Gparted there. Be sure to run a full backup incase of catastrophe
[18:48] <sarnold> kenperkins: I'm not sure off-hand how to do the bindmount to replace the file..
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> ActionParsnip: Whom are you talking to... there is no Max0815 in the channel?
[18:49] <kenperkins> hmm, I found another one in /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications
[18:49] <ActionParsnip> pragmaticenigma: my bad
[18:49] <ActionParsnip> pragmaticenigma: long day
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> that's okay ActionParsnip ... i'm off to a meeting myself
[18:50] <ActionParsnip> pragmaticenigma: eugh. Enjoy
[18:52] <ActionParsnip> kenperkins: if you install using the PPA rather than the snap is it any different?
[18:53] <kenperkins> I can't say, but editing it in var/lib/snapd worked
[18:54] <kenperkins> the joys of high dpi :D
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> I don't think the PPA is as up-to-date as the snap
[18:54] <ActionParsnip> kenperkins: so? What's in the newer version that you need so badly?
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> for spotify? they had a recent revamp of features
[18:56] <kenperkins> I don't need a new version; i don't really care which version it is, I just need to edit the .desktop file to add --force-device-scale-factor
[18:56] <ActionParsnip> pragmaticenigma: between the version in the snap and the PPA?
[18:56] <kenperkins> I just used "ubuntu software" to install it, which gave me the snap version
[18:57] <pragmaticenigma> ActionParsnip: The last update to the PPA was July 2019
[18:57] <ActionParsnip> Ahh insee
[18:58] <ActionParsnip> I see *
[18:58] <pragmaticenigma> dunno
[19:01] <ActionParsnip> PPA is 1.1.10 snap is 1.1.26
[19:01] <ActionParsnip> Sounds like a minor change to me with the version numbers but if it's what's in the app then it's what's in the app
[19:02] <de-facto> ,v linux-modules-extra
[19:02] <kenperkins> ok, on the subject of power consumption, I can't help but feel like I'm getting horrible results (brand new laptop) how can i tell what my power usage looks like?
[19:02] <kenperkins> and do I need power management packages?
[19:02] <de-facto> ubotu?
[19:03] <de-facto> !version linux-modules-extra
[19:03] <de-facto> how does that bot work again?
[19:04] <de-facto> !info linux-modules-extra
[19:04] <de-facto> whut?
[19:08] <de-facto> !search  gspca_touptek.ko
[19:08] <de-facto> uhu
[19:10] <de-facto> how can i find the source code package for  gspca_touptek.ko in 5.0.0-38-generic ?
[19:11] <de-facto> !find gspca_touptek.ko
[19:11] <de-facto> lol
[19:12] <sarnold> de-facto: apt-file search gspca_touptek.ko  -- then take one of the results, "apt-cache show <packagename>" and look for the Source: header
[19:12] <de-facto> i am not on that machine trying to help someone
[19:12] <jaxxstar> guys can someone help with installing and configuring a vpn in ubuntu i3wm
[19:12] <de-facto> he got an ubuntu with  5.0.0-38-generic
[19:12] <ActionParsnip> Install openvpn and use that jaxxstar
[19:15] <sarnold> de-facto: none of those commands need to be run "on the machine", just from a matching distribution
[19:15] <de-facto> yeah even dont have that, im still on 18.04
[19:16] <jaxxstar> @ActionParsnip, yeah i installed openvpn
[19:16] <jaxxstar> but how do i configure it without gnome?
[19:17] <sarnold> the easy way is to install network-manager-openvpn network-manager-openvpn-gnome  and then launch them from within nm-applet
[19:24] <kenperkins> is there any way to configure systemd-resolve to use specific dns servers on a per network (or wifi ssid) basis?
[19:25] <kenperkins>  I keep getting SERVFAIL from the wifi I'm on and I want to force it to quad9 or what not
[19:28] <wrkrcoop> anyone know how to install nvidia drivers?
[19:31] <kenperkins> I've done it before; google worked exceptionally well for me, `apt search nvidia-driver`
[19:33] <Menzador|Work> The Discord snap won't open without forcing me to download the .deb or .tar.gz image to update it. Do I need to contact the developer for this one?
[19:34] <Menzador|Work> (one moment)
[19:43] <ducasse> Menzador|Work: snaps are not supported here, you need to talk to the developer
[19:47] <Menzador|Work> ducasse: thanks, I'll scream at -- I mean, talk to the developers
[19:50] <DeeJayTwo> hi
[19:50] <logikos> hi, I installed xubuntu-dekstop on a ubuntu installation with unity cause I prefer xfce, however some applications seem to have some globalmenu integration thing where the menu appears in the indicator plugin on one of the pannels
[19:50] <logikos> how do i disable that please?
[19:50] <DeeJayTwo> Is there any process accounting tool that takes values each minute for all processes and let me graph how a process behave minute per minute?
[19:53] <sarnold> DeeJayTwo: https://pcp.io/ is *really* comprehensive
[19:53] <kenperkins> similarly, is a tool that shows me power usage on a per minute basis?
[19:54] <DeeJayTwo> sarnold: Thank you!
[20:05] <logikos> I have unity and xubuntu both and i want to disable the global menu in xubuntu, how do i do that please so that it displays in the application instead of in the indicator plugin?
[20:22] <klaasvakie> guys, trying to report a bug against systemd (237) on 19.10. launchpad says to use freedesktop.org bugzilla, freedesktop.org bugzilla says to use freedesktop.org gitlab and freedesktop.org gitlab doesn't have a systemd project. Please tell me where to go. I take it upstream won't be interested since 237 is too old
[20:23] <klaasvakie> apologies, thats systemd 237 on 18.04
[20:24] <sarnold> ubuntu-bug systemd   ought to do the trick
[20:29] <klaasvakie> sarnold, thanks.
[20:55] <ufo> hi all.  i'm having an issue where i get dropped into an initramfs prompt on boot, it's trying to find /dev/sda2 but that device does not exist when i ls /dev/sd*
[20:56] <ufo> is there any way i can check the partitions to find out what device the root is on?  i'm assuming they got enumerated differently
[20:56] <ufo> the person who set this up did not use UUID. :(
[20:58] <genii> Best way is boot a liveusb/livecd, mount the partitions from there and figure out which is the root and so on. Then change the old fstab file to mount y the UUID
[20:59] <ufo> ah ok.  should i just do "halt"
[20:59] <ufo> to get out of initramfs prompt
[21:01] <genii> Since no files are opened on any physical devices at this point, you can just safely use the power switch to power off
[21:20] <rangergord> Does Qt5 have a "meta" package to download all the core components? Or am I supposed to be installing libqt5gui5, libqt5qml5, etc, individually by myself?
[21:22] <oerheks> rangergord, i think you want qt5-default
[21:23] <oerheks> !info qt5-default
[21:25] <rangergord> thanks oerheks . I wasted my time going through the libqt5* list. And it didn't show up in "apt-cache rdepends libqt5gui5"
[21:26] <mspo> is anyone else getting this? https://github.com/tianon/docker-brew-ubuntu-core/issues/173
[21:32] <ferrus> Has anyone installed Ubuntu on a multipath volume (eg. SAN Boot)?  I've installed RHEL/Centos servers like this, but this is my first time installing Ubuntu onto a diskless blade.  Multipath just doesn't seem to work with the installer.
[21:37] <leftyfb> ferrus: try #ubuntu-server
[21:38] <ferrus> okay, thanks
[21:42] <TJ-> ferrus: have you read "Installing with Multipath Support" at https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/device-mapper-multipathing-setup  ?
[21:47] <ferrus> Yeah, I added 'install disk-detect/multipath/enable=true' to the boot options, but the installer still show the paths as four distinct devices (no /dev/.../mpath).  Don't know if I'm getting the syntax wrong on the boot screen, tried it before and after the ---, and before AND after
[21:48] <TJ-> ferrus: hmmmm!
[22:06] <ufo> genii: thanks. it changed to /dev/sdi2 v_v
[22:21] <genii> ufo: Glad to assist
[22:40] <ufo> so since grub autogenerated this config file and it was looking for root=/dev/sda2, what can i change to have it set root=UUID=blah
[22:40] <ufo> i'm assuming that's a file in /etc/default/grub
[22:41] <bray90820_> Do you think a 2008 Mac Mini would be a good machine to run ubuntu on for 24/7 audio podcasting?
[22:42] <ufo> genii: if you're still here :D
[22:46] <tomreyn> ufo: /etc/default/grub IS a file. and you wouldn't usually set root= there, but have grub determine it automatically.
[22:46] <ufo> ah yeah, i think i meant /etc/grub.d
[22:46] <ufo> some kind of custom rule file?
[22:47] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what exactly you're trying to do, and on which ubuntu version
[22:47] <ufo> it's 18.04.4 LTS (Bionic Beaver)
[22:47] <ufo> grub is setting root=/dev/sda2 instead of using the UUID
[22:48] <ufo> and my drive devices got reordered so i would like to make it use UUID so that doesn't happen again
[22:49] <tomreyn> can you post /boot/grub/grub.cfg to a pastebin, or at least the "menuentry 'Ubuntu'"'s "search", "linux" and "initrd" lines?
[22:49] <tomreyn> ufo: ^
[22:53] <tomreyn> i think having root=/dev/sda2 on the "linux" line is actually entirely normal, you just need to make sure that the "search" line points to the right --fs-uuid
[22:55] <ufo> isn't grub.cfg static until the next time it regenerates on a kernel update or something?
[22:55] <ufo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vxKRhpnBkz/
[22:55] <ufo> it regenerated just now and now points to the correct /dev/sdi2...  for now
[22:55] <ufo> until it changes again?
[22:56] <x0n-> what's the recommended method of installing ubuntu to USB with encrypted persistence?
[22:56] <ufo> hmm wait a sec...  that one looks right!
[22:57] <oerheks> mkusb gives the option for persistence, not encrypted. https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html
[22:57] <oerheks> so, encrypt the files manually?
[22:59] <oerheks> or better: select the usb as target and do a lvm/encryption install
[23:04] <x0n-> oerheks: thanks, I saw mkusb, also saw it doesn't support encryption by itself. so you say use mkusb, then cryptsetup reencrypt? for trialrun1 I've used the live installer on a manually created luks partition and adapted the necessary files (lvm/encryption install does not work afaict as it wants to nuke the internal disk). took some tinkering but it boots now
[23:04] <x0n-> with this solution, it seems accessing everything is just hella slow. I figure it should be faster when loading the root fs from an isofile?
[23:18] <funabash1> Hi regarding ubuntu and certifications, what the most well known certification you can take ?
[23:18] <ufo> and apparently grub fixed itself and now all the root='s are UUIDs
[23:21] <DarKByD3sign> Hi all, is anyone aware of any working Ubuntu 16.04 images floating about for the Odroid N2? I ask as I'm trying to run Quickbox and that's the only version it supports unless you pay in which case it supports 18.04?
[23:24] <oerheks> seems to be 18.04 only ? https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-n2/os_images/ubuntu
[23:24] <oerheks> "We have no plan to support Ubuntu 16.04."
[23:24] <oerheks> https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=35425
[23:25] <DarKByD3sign> Yeah I noticed that, just wondered whether anyone had done a port.
[23:25] <DarKByD3sign> Nevermind.
[23:25] <DarKByD3sign> Thanks @oerheks
[23:30] <_Myst_> hi all, does anyone know how to tweak ubuntu the onboard keyboard, to make the keys larger for a 2 in touchscreen laptop, thanks in advance
[23:31] <x0n-> oerheks: could you kindly review my reply and let me know how you meant "encrypting manually" when using mkusb?
[23:43] <bencc1_> is this linux code? "OPENSSL_ia32cap=:~0x20000000"
[23:44] <bencc1_> I'm not familiar with "=:~"
[23:47] <oerheks> x0n-, choose a encryption to lock a folder? mind that it is a install ubuntu, not updated, so not safe.
[23:47] <oerheks> choose option 2, install to that usb with encryption in the installer
[23:48] <oerheks> and that is ugly slow.
[23:55] <x0n-> oerheks: ugly slow doesn't begin to describe it...
[23:56] <x0n-> doesn't mkusb use partitions for persistence? if so, should be possible to encrypt that with luks, no?
[23:56] <oerheks> no, not from mkusb
[23:58] <x0n-> how does it work then? file-based storage for persistence?


[00:36] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue305
[07:22] <dholbach> good morning
[15:42] <cprofitt> anyone home with Fridge rights?
[16:10] <akgraner> cprofitt, what's up?
[16:10] <akgraner> or rather what do you need help with
[16:13] <JoseeAntonioR> same here
[16:27] <cprofitt> akgraner: jono was looking for a person with editing rights to the Fridge
[16:27] <akgraner> tell him to ping me
[16:28] <akgraner> and let me know what he wants adding
[16:28] <akgraner> or tweaking
[16:28] <akgraner> jono ^^^^
[16:28] <jono> akgraner, thanks
[16:28] <jono> will do in the next hour
[16:28] <akgraner> jono roger that - ping when ready
[18:05] <pleia2> jono: reminder, several people here do have access to fridge, so you can always just mention in here and we'll get your sorted (ping akgraner and ping pleia2 don't scale, so we have this channel :))
[18:06] <akgraner> pleia2, they asked in here - I just responded
[18:06] <akgraner> well cprofitt asked on Jono's behalf
[18:06] <akgraner> Ubuntu Developer Summits Now Online and Every Three Months - http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/02/26/ubuntu-developer-summits-now-online-and-every-three-months/
[18:06]  * pleia2 nods
[18:07] <pleia2>  I was getting all kinds of pings before I woke up
[18:08] <jono> thanks pleia2!
[18:08] <akgraner> pleia2, ahhh gotcha
[18:08] <jono> pleia2, sorry, I didn't actually ask anyone to ping you
[18:08] <jono> I just asked if cprofitt had access
[18:08] <jono> otherwise I would have asked in here
[18:09] <pleia2> ah ok
[18:09]  * akgraner didn't get pings so wasn't aware you did pleia2  now I get your concern
[18:09] <akgraner> jono, I've social media'd to all my areas hope that helps get the word out for ya
[18:10] <jono> thanks akgraner
[18:25] <skellat> Could somebody please push the UDS announcement to community-announce mailing list?
[18:26] <pleia2> good idea, jono, can you email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[18:26] <pleia2> I'll let it through
[18:26] <jono> pleia2, sure, one sec
[18:27] <pleia2> \o/
[18:28]  * skellat wanders off to run errands
[18:32] <pleia2> jono: thanks!
[18:33] <jono> pleia2, :-)
[19:45] <jono> pleia2, akgraner the fridge normally hits planet, right?
[19:45] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: only when categorized
[19:45] <pleia2> jono: the planet tag needs to be included
[19:45]  * pleia2 checks
[19:46] <pleia2> ok, fixed
[19:46] <jono> thanks!
[19:46] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, so tomorrow I think I am going to commit a chunk of my Q+A to the new UDS
[19:47] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, go into more detail about the event, how it works, and answer people's questions
[21:13] <akgraner> pleia2, oops
[21:14] <akgraner> sigh
[21:14] <SilverLion> akgraner: HEY! long time no read ma'am ;)
[21:15] <akgraner> SilverLion, hey  - I'll be in Hong Kong next week
[21:15] <SilverLion> I'll stay where I am :P
[21:16] <SilverLion> it's good to have a person I like talking to online ... have been through massive */$&% last few days
[21:19] <akgraner> Sorry to hear that.  Hope it gets better for you.  I hate to run but I'll be afk for a couple hours.  Gotta pick up some stuff I need for my trip.
[21:22] <SilverLion> akgraner: i dont know you the other way :P so it's totally ok, but the light at the end of the tunnel is pretty far away ... if you get me ;)