[10:23] <yosefrow> hi
[10:24] <yosefrow> for some reason I cannot change the root DNS (maas)
[10:24] <yosefrow> every time i restart MAAS it resets it to the wlan0 ip which is wrong
[10:44] <yosefrow> https://askubuntu.com/questions/952596/maas-forces-wrong-root-dns-ip
[22:04] <noobcloud> Hello!


[08:58] <studio-user788> cd /Hell
[08:58] <studio-user788> lol
[09:01] <studio-user788> I'm slowly getting my wife's mind changed to trying Linux (She's a Windows user), and so I was curious as to the easiest Distro / Environment I should introduce to her... Any help appreciated


[13:29] <smartboyhw> hi scott-work
[13:54] <ailo-w> /quit
[13:54] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, you fail
[13:54] <ailo-w> Very weird
[13:54] <ailo-w> Ah, space key
[13:54] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, I think you bold it
[13:55] <ailo-w> Need to go. Have a nice day
[13:55] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, bye


[00:05] <ubptgbot> Ashraf Alaa was added by: Ashraf Alaa
[00:12] <ubptgbot> <Ashraf Alaa> Hey there I wanna know how to download it
 @Ashraf Alaa [Hey there I wanna know how to download it], What device do you have?
[00:42] <ubptgbot> <Ashraf Alaa> Nexus 5
 Use the ubports installer
[01:21] <ubptgbot> MiaErikssen was added by: MiaErikssen
 @MiaErikssen [MiaErikssen was added by: dohbee], welcome, are you here for the spam?
 Mmm canned ham
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/lVsWkM3J.webp
 mmm, rum ham
 Ham and cheddar melt ... I think that will be my lunch tomorrow
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2AVB4TtB.mp4
 Lol
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/3ILMbC6t.png
 I see nothing wrong here
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/iupDX2tM.png
 Everything is working as expected
 LOL what device is that?
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/M2GKN0bD.png
 No problems whatsoever
 @UniversalSuperBox [Everything is working as expected], wait till you try moving a window somewhere on the right most side of the screen 😉
 I don't think you understand how unresponsive this is
 There's like a 2cm square that I can use to move the mouse
 oh I see, you don't have a proper mouse 😁 … on Nexus 7, touchpad works althought right click still works as left click
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/UkwKRjix.png
 Look mom no wires
 so you've seen the other half of reality? 😂
 ... i didnt know that was possible on UT
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/Bvb06YHi.png
 WE'VE GONE TOO DEEP
 @UniversalSuperBox [Look mom no wires], is that a Fairphone 2?.  I have this set up for my Meizu Pro 5 - works ok, even if touchpad is laggy and font rendering a littlw wonky
 Should do a camception shot lol
 Oh sure
 @UniversalSuperBox [Look mom no wires], [Edit] is that a Fairphone 2?.  I have this set up for my Meizu Pro 5 - works ok, even if touchpad is laggy and font rendering a little wonky
 How does one set this up?
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/sKW05ds7.png
 You buy the Microsoft Display adapter, plug it in, go to Brightness & Display, fail to connect it a few times, Unity8 freezes, restart Unity8, and then it just works ™
 this is edge?
 Yep
 Hmm I wonder if the connect app on win 10 would work?
 OH!
 protip: try the multiscreen branch :)
 @Tygerpro [Hmm I wonder if the connect app on win 10 would work?], Probably not
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/fCX1ieDF.png
 I gotta get my N5 back from my grandmother so I can try this stuff out
 It's a little stretched because it's a 16:10 display
 @mariogrip [protip: try the multiscreen branch :)], there's such thing?!
 @Tygerpro [I gotta get my N5 back from my grandmother so I can try this stuff out], wait, she runs ubuntu touch? :P
 @Javacookies [there's such thing?!], I was thinking the same thing
 @Javacookies [there's such thing?!], https://github.com/ubports/unity8/pull/164
 there be many dragons there
 many
 System Settings -> Brightness & Display -> check on "External Display" -> choose the Miracast adapter in "Wireless Display“ list
 @Tygerpro [Hmm I wonder if the connect app on win 10 would work?], haven't had success but I don't have a know working device such as PRO5
 @mariogrip [wait, she runs ubuntu touch? :P], No, she liked my note 4 with the stylus (she likes to draw) but she liked it overall
 @mariogrip [https://github.com/ubports/unity8/pull/164], 😱 Im gonna try it!
 This is a neat party trick, but it's really not usable daily
 Too much compression
 @Javacookies [haven't had success but I don't have a know working device such as PRO5], I wanna try it myself, and my note 8 works with that app, but thats android
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/EjUohYA1.png this is cool! :D
 @Tygerpro [I gotta get my N5 back from my grandmother so I can try this stuff out], I don't think Nexus 5 supports wireless display - it sends to external display via Slimport adapter instead
 @UniversalSuperBox [This is a neat party trick, but it's really not usable daily], yeah
 @UniversalSuperBox [This is a neat party trick, but it's really not usable daily], well i guess you can watch a youtube video with it
 @TotalSonic [I don't think Nexus 5 supports wireless display - it sends to external display v …], Only one way to find out
 @mariogrip [well i guess you can watch a youtube video with it], Or a full length movie off a NAS
 @TotalSonic [I don't think Nexus 5 supports wireless display - it sends to external display v …], it does, but the wifi driver is funky, so it sometimes struggles with seting up the dual wifi thing
 #broadcom
 @mariogrip [it does, but the wifi driver is funky, so it sometimes struggles with seting up …], is it working better on edge now?
 No
 @TotalSonic [is it working better on edge now?], probobly not, not changed that part of the device
 @mariogrip [<reply to media>], 😍 seriously I've been waiting for this workspace/multi-monitor since 2015 😂
 I find it very useful with my note 8 on my win 10 laptop
 @Tygerpro [I find it very useful with my note 8 on my win 10 laptop], OT but try scrcpy 😉
 @Javacookies [😍 seriously I've been waiting for this workspace/multi-monitor since 2015 😂], well it's buggy :P make sure you install qtubuntu-android, since it removed it when i to install that when i tried the branch
 oh english... it's 5am here soon
 @mariogrip [probobly not, not changed that part of the device], did you change anything to make wireless display work on Nexus 5?
 @Javacookies [OT but try scrcpy 😉], I tried that in the past, couldnt get it to work
 @mariogrip [oh english... it's 5am here soon], I was awake when it was 5am here, there's no issue with that 😝
 @Javacookies [did you change anything to make wireless display work on Nexus 5?], tried a while back, but its still really funky
 @mariogrip [tried a while back, but its still really funky], okau, because sadly my Nexus 5's slimport doesn't work anymore 😭
 @Javacookies [okau, because sadly my Nexus 5's slimport doesn't work anymore 😭], oh? is that just edge or hardware?
 Hey Marius, if I were to create a rootfs of my own, is there a list of packages/services installed I can use?
 @Tygerpro [Hey Marius, if I were to create a rootfs of my own, is there a list of packages/ …], Jup, the ubuntu-touch meta package
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch-meta
 but it's easier to just "apt install ubuntu-touch" after adding ubports repo
 The color seems really weird
 The upper right corner of the splash was blue, not purple
 @Tygerpro [Hey Marius, if I were to create a rootfs of my own, is there a list of packages/ …], there is also: https://github.com/ubports/livecd-rootfs
 @mariogrip [but it's easier to just "apt install ubuntu-touch" after adding ubports repo], Ahh ok, I want to try making my own rootfs as an experiment see if I can make one thats based on something like 18.04 LTS with a custom package list
 Mainly as a Tegra 3 rootfs
 @mariogrip [oh? is that just edge or hardware?], I guess it's hardware because MTP/data doesn't anymore as well..same with my MX4 😭
 @Tygerpro [Ahh ok, I want to try making my own rootfs as an experiment see if I can make on …], but the easyest is https://github.com/ubports/rootstock-ng/tree/xenial
 @mariogrip [but the easyest is https://github.com/ubports/rootstock-ng/tree/xenial], `./rootstock-touch -o out -a armhf -s xenial`
 maybe you have an HTC 10 prebuilt images there as well? 😜
 @mariogrip [./rootstock-touch -o out -a armhf -s xenial], Can I specify any Ubuntu version in place of xenial?
 @Tygerpro [Ahh ok, I want to try making my own rootfs as an experiment see if I can make on …], i would go the route of installing a minimal bionic image from canonical, and then add ubports repo and install the meta package
 @Tygerpro [Can I specify any Ubuntu version in place of xenial?], you can, but never tried it
 @mariogrip [i would go the route of installing a minimal bionic image from canonical, and th …], Thats what I was thinking, but I wanna be able to base on different versions to test performance
 you would need to change the hardcored things at least: https://github.com/ubports/rootstock-ng/blob/xenial/rootstock-touch#L276
 Yeah, I am starting to piece this all together, but I am less than a total noob when it comes to rootfs
 @Tygerpro [Yeah, I am starting to piece this all together, but I am less than a total noob …], not really helping that debians rootfs system is a mindfak
 :P
 Yeah no kidding, thats when asking someone more versed in rootfs helps
 Do you know of UT would work with other GUI's besides mir and unity 8
 No
 well depends tbh
 well is the question if "we" will work on other GUI's? or if UT works with other GUI's
 the first is no, the latter is depends
 If UT works with other GUI's cause from what Ive heard a tegra 3 cant run either mir or unity 8, I forget which
 well then it's no longer UT? since unity8 is kinda what defines UT
 it's just ubuntu without
 @Tygerpro [If UT works with other GUI's cause from what Ive heard a tegra 3 cant run either …], are you sure mir wont run on it?
 I have to port it to find out, havent been able to work on that due to some personal reasons as of late, one of which is a borked charger
 @Tygerpro [If UT works with other GUI's cause from what Ive heard a tegra 3 cant run either …], if it uses mesa it should run just fine
 I know there is a UT port that was based on cm11 and Ubuntu 12? That works but I think its a different GUI from what it is now
 easy way to know, does it run wayland? if so mir should work
 I can also boot Ubuntu 12.04 desktop on it, if that helps
 @Tygerpro [I know there is a UT port that was based on cm11 and Ubuntu 12? That works but I …], back then unity8 used surfaceflinger, so there was no need for mir etc
 @Tygerpro [I can also boot Ubuntu 12.04 desktop on it, if that helps], that's x11
 Ok, is it possible to still use surface flinger or has that been depricated
 Long gone
 I figured, think I could update that super old image?
 No
 the archutecture completly changed since then
 we now run a android in a small container
 before it was ubuntu in a container on top of android
 Ok, so its back to my original plan of a custom rootfs if I cant et it to work with UT as is
 Ill have to try this again and see what happens, I will def let you know if I have to go the custom rootfs route cause it might be handy for alegacy version?
 may i ask, why not use the current rootfs based on 16.04?
 Well I plan to, but if my Tegra 3 cant boot it or is unusable with it then being able to change the base might be a easier solution than making a hack or something for it
 ah ok. if you go to bionic. i would recoment trying it on a known good device first to confirm it works
 Like a N5?
 forexample yeah
 watch out for systemd :)
 Ok, didnt think of that part, and yeah I am not looking forward to beating systemd with a coding stick lol
 Is this something that could be used for legacy devices that were once supported and no longer are?
 Probably not. They are no longer supported because Ubuntu Touch moved on, and it's moved further since then.
 Ok, was just a thought
 Hey I left my terminal running overnight and the last thing I entered was exit. … now I opened terminal again and found this line
 (Photo, 1080x437) https://irc.ubports.com/cIUAMEVY.png
 I surely did not enter it. I have no idea what it means. do I have to worry?
 Btw how can I copy and paste in the terminal?
 @Flohack [Can you follow this article? https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2249/no-more-wlan- …], I tried some things but this doesn't give me any results. doesn't matter if I use sudo or not
 (Photo, 1080x484) https://irc.ubports.com/nAMz68Fs.png
 @einserpasch [<reply to media>], Well, off the phone that would be adding a PPA. Could that be something you tried in the past and accidentally retrieved from bash history? … On the phone that command ought to fail anyway, unless you've messed with making the system rw.
 @einserpasch [I surely did not enter it. I have no idea what it means. do I have to worry?], I've had the same experience on my UT, I saw unusual texts in my bash history and I was really convinced that someone hacked into my phone.....then days has passed and it slowly sinked into my thoughts that I was the one the put them 😂 … Note
[08:35] <ubptgbot> : they are not commands and instead sentences that seems like talking to me 😂
 @UniversalSuperBox [<reply to media>], Is it meant to be that small?
[10:54] <ubptgbot> <rémus Rome> Hi, where can'i find the list of improvment for a new version of ut? I am on the rc canal, thanks.
 @rémus Rome [Hi, where can'i find the list of improvment for a new version of ut? I am on the …], Unfortunately there is nothing like a changelog. Usually too many small changes. It would take considerable effort to keep track. And that energy is better put into improvements. 😇
 One could browse the issuetracker to see closed issues to get and idea.
 Hi All, can someone with an official app on the device take a screenshot from this group?
 Do you mean on Android?
 yes
 (Photo, 640x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0Loo9bHt.png Screenshot (7 ago. 2019 13:46:32)
 sorry was out of the room. once more plz
 (Photo, 640x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/a9sk2c2C.png Screenshot (7 ago. 2019 13:47:52)
 I can repeat the screenshot 😃
 Ok I dont get the message. Was this only in secret chats hmm
 Can someone start a secret chat with me xD
 yes
[12:02] <ubptgbot> Victor was added by: Victor
 @Flohack [Can someone start a secret chat with me xD], it's not secret anymore 😝
 @Flohack [Ok I dont get the message. Was this only in secret chats hmm], yep, screenshot notifications are only in secret chats, not normal chats
 Hello! Someone tested Ubuntu Touch on Sony Xperia X?
 There's a work-in-progress port of Ubuntu Touch to the Xperia X, but it's not complete. It's missing calling, camera and multimedia playback.
 @Victor [Hello! Someone tested Ubuntu Touch on Sony Xperia X?], Do you have experience with ROMs and development? I'd need a helping hand (it's my daily driver device, so I can't work on it all the time)
 @fredldotme [Do you have experience with ROMs and development? I'd need a helping hand (it's …], No I have not. I have only a device, where I would test Ubuntu Touch. But if you have an Instruction, how to install it. I would make it.
 @kipters [yep, screenshot notifications are only in secret chats, not normal chats], also, i don't think teleports (or any app in UT) can know that a screenshot is being taken
 @Victor [No I have not. I have only a device, where I would test Ubuntu Touch. But if you …], The instructions to build and flash an image yourself are here: https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/98
[13:44] <ubptgbot> OD was added by: OD
 @fredldotme [The instructions to build and flash an image yourself are here: https://github.c …], OK
 Can I emulate ubuntu touch on linux desktop?
 no
 there is no working emulator option currently
 @mariogrip [<reply to media>], Oh my god merge it :)
[15:22] <ubptgbot> dipso3 was added by: dipso3
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/a91OZJJY.webp
 @UniversalSuperBox [<reply to media>], Is that Opo?
 Yes
 @UniversalSuperBox [Yes], Nice work Dalton :-)
 Well considering this was all I did: https://t.me/ubports/222128
 I still want to play with the multi-screen that Marius posted
 @Tygerpro [I still want to play with the multi-screen that Marius posted], me too! let me know if you tried it and what steps you did
 I have to get my N5 back first, or get a supported device to try it on, not sure which way ill go yet, thinking about picking up a OPO
[16:54] <ubptgbot> Jalvathi was added by: Jalvathi
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 spam, spam, spam, eggs, bacon, spam
 maybe it'd be an idea to set up @GroupHelpBot
 @mzanetti [maybe it'd be an idea to set up @GroupHelpBot], so we could say to ask the bot instead of just linking to the supported devices page? :P
 it can auto-kick spammers
 (I posted that as a response to some spam messages, which have been deleted by now)
 oh
 we do have a bot in here already to auto-kick spammers; maybe it needs a rules update or something though, not sure
 ah ok
 seems there's been a strategy change recently for spammers where bots join, say hi, then edit the message with spam content
 right... ofc
[18:02] <ubptgbot> Nathan Willson was added by: Nathan Willson
[18:03] <ubptgbot> <Nathan Willson> Is anyone else having trouble getting their contacts from their google account? If so do you know any work arounds?
 @mariogrip [well it's buggy :P make sure you install qtubuntu-android, since it removed it w …], there are no JENKINS build for Unity 8 and qtmir PRs 😞
 @Nathan Willson [Is anyone else having trouble getting their contacts from their google account? …], What I did was save all my Google account contacts to a vcf file and then imported that into UT's Contacts.  I keep this vcf file backed up and up to date by saving all contacts in UT's Contacts apps to a vcf file I manually export to i
[18:33] <ubptgbot> n a Documents "Shared" folder that I  keep synced via UBsync to my NextCloud account.
 ...it would be nice if that process could be streamlined via an update to the Contacts app though
[18:36] <ubptgbot> <Nathan Willson> Steven Berson  … I'll try it out. Thanks
 @Nathan Willson [Is anyone else having trouble getting their contacts from their google account? …], Yes, I always had these problems since my first time use of Ubuntu Touch. It works now and then, but fails on many other times. Modifications I do in the UT conrtacts app tend to never make it to my Google account. The other way rou
[18:56] <ubptgbot> nd it seems to work more often, but is far from reliable. I don't even know if a bug has been filed for this problem. If not, we should do so :-).
 @TotalSonic [What I did was save all my Google account contacts to a vcf file and then import …], That's a workaround, but it really should work natively. Contacts is a core UT app.
 @Nathan Willson [Steven Berson  … I'll try it out. Thanks], btw - to import from a vcf file use the File Manager app - locate the vcf file and click on it - choose "Open file with another app" from the pop up menu  - and then choose the Contacts app from the list.
 Good to know, thanks.
 @ruedigerkupper [That's a workaround, but it really should work natively. Contacts is a core UT a …], I completely agree - but like all things requires developers' time to do so.  As an end user and not a coder myself all I can do is encourage people to make feature enhancements as well as donate towards bounties for these.
 @ruedigerkupper [That's a workaround, but it really should work natively. Contacts is a core UT a …], Google is unfortunately a third party service though, and proprietary at that. So we can't guarantee it will always work reliably.
 Direct import of vcf's from inside the Contacts app is definitely a basic feature addition I would like to see as well.
 (beyond the need of people working on this stuff more)
 @TotalSonic [Direct import of vcf's from inside the Contacts app is definitely a basic featur …], it should be fairly easy to add this, and would be a good intro issue for a new contributor to work on
 @dohbee [Google is unfortunately a third party service though, and proprietary at that. S …], I've been happy getting rid of Google account linking completely from my UT devices.  Calendar sync via CalDav on a NextCloud account, using other services for email, and backing up and updating via vcf has allowed to do so.
 @dohbee [Google is unfortunately a third party service though, and proprietary at that. S …], [Edit] I've been happy getting rid of Google account linking completely from my UT devices.  Calendar sync via CalDav on a NextCloud account, using other services for email, and backing up and updating Contacts via vcf has allowed to do so.
 @TotalSonic [I completely agree - but like all things requires developers' time to do so.  As …], @Steven Berson Right, not every user is a developer (not even with UBPorts ;-) ). That's okay. A thing you can always do, though, is writing informative bug reports that developers can act on.
 @ruedigerkupper [@Steven Berson Right, not every user is a developer (not even with UBPorts ;-) ) …], yup - I need to get a Gitlab account for myself to do so
 @dohbee [Google is unfortunately a third party service though, and proprietary at that. S …], Sure.
 @TotalSonic [I've been happy getting rid of Google account linking completely from my UT devi …], I don't even sync contacts on Android. And I don't really use calendar anyway (and don't have my work mail/calendar on personal phone either)
 @dohbee [I don't even sync contacts on Android. And I don't really use calendar anyway (a …], I run my own biz and have to coordinate tag teaming parenting - so Calendar sync is a must to me - and I think having up to date Contacts backed up is basic common sense as well.  I never got around to setting up my own NextCloud server - but
[19:08] <ubptgbot> OwnCube.com made it easy to sign up for an account - and with UBsync it makes backups (which I use for all my phone camera photos and videos as well) and syncing easy, and done in the background without me having to think about it.
 Hm, that's probalby what I should have done, too. However, back in the days when Google still looked like a cool thing and not like the Über-Company, I decided to use theier services (which are, from a functionality point of view, still excellent). I'm somehow stuck to them and I would appreceate them being integrated in UBPorts (o
[19:09] <ubptgbot> n an opt-in basis, obviously).
 [Edit] @Rodney Hm, that's probalby what I should have done, too. However, back in the days when Google still looked like a cool thing and not like the Über-Company, I decided to use theier services (which are, from a functionality point of view, still excellent). I'm somehow stuck to them and I would appreceate them being integrate
[19:10] <ubptgbot> d in UBPorts (on an opt-in basis, obviously).
 @ruedigerkupper [@Rodney Hm, that's probalby what I should have done, too. However, back in the d …], what telegram client are you using? that is not my username btw. but as far as google goes, yes, i agree, but there's only so much we can do ourselves, not being google. :)
 Understood, and I appreciate the work you do. I am using Teleports on UBPorts as a client. It does not display your user name, just "Rodney". Another bug report, I guess ;-).
 maybe teleports still needs some work on the autocompletion?
 Not Teleports, it's the autocompletion of UBPorts in general. That's a thing I always wanted to help improve. I should go and develop, I guess ;-).
 @ruedigerkupper [@Rodney Hm, that's probalby what I should have done, too. However, back in the d …], Unfortunately Google has been making some changes recently that potentially  make being able to link up as a 3rd party client with their services in the future more difficult.  To me even though a transition to different digtial eco-sy
[19:18] <ubptgbot> stems can be a pain to go through - it still makes sense to go with truly open standards options so that no matter what a corporation decides in the future for their API's our capabilities while choosing to use an alternate privacy respecting OS are not interrupted.
 ... as such I've weaned myself completely off of Google as far as my mobile use goes.
 I understand for others that have to interface with Google services for their work wouldn't be able to do this though
 @ruedigerkupper [Not Teleports, it's the autocompletion of UBPorts in general. That's a thing I a …], on android, telegram pops up a list of names/usernames for completion when you start typing @ruedigerkupper though for example, separate from system keyboard word suggestions
 TELEports is still getting lots of features implemented into it though - so it's more of a feature enhancement needed than "bug" at this point.
 @TotalSonic [Unfortunately Google has been making some changes recently that potentially  mak …], I recently set up a Nextcloud instance at my home server. It pretty much offers the basics of functionality that Google does. I don't see me ditching Google right now, though. They're just too good. Sorry to say that (almost).
 @TotalSonic [TELEports is still getting lots of features implemented into it though - so it's …], Yes, it's in active development. Still I like it better than the "classical" Telegram client (which dates to the days of Canonical, if I am right). Teleports is really a lot faster, but not yet that feature rich.
 @ruedigerkupper [I recently set up a Nextcloud instance at my home server. It pretty much offers …], yeah - for me Libre Office does everything I need as far as word processing, spread sheets, simple graphic layouts and presentations - but my needs for these are very simple and I don't have to collaborate with others on these things fo
[19:29] <ubptgbot> r my work. On UT the "uWriter" app works well enough for typing out simple docs on the phone as well.  But I can understand others' needs are deeper for these things than mine.
 @ruedigerkupper [Yes, it's in active development. Still I like it better than the "classical" Tel …], yeah - the snappiness of Teleports is super nice.  Opens and loads fast, and scrolls nicely as well - something the old Telegram client definitely didn't always do.
 @dohbee [what telegram client are you using? that is not my username btw. but as far as g …], What ist your username, then?
 @ruedigerkupper [What ist your username, then?], it's @dohbee
 is. Sorry, German autocorrection ;-).
 Since it hasn't been added to Teleports yet - the "WebTelegram" webapp in the Open Store can display username's if you press on the user's icon pic - https://open-store.io/app/webtelegram.neothethird
 @TotalSonic [Since it hasn't been added to Teleports yet - the "WebTelegram" webapp in the Op …], or, one can just select a message and reply directly rather than using username pings :)
 switching apps to find a username is a bit much
 @dohbee [or, one can just select a message and reply directly rather than using username …], that too!  Sometimes if you are trying to reach someone in particular at a future time it helps to know user name though
 sure, as well as their temporality
 @dohbee [switching apps to find a username is a bit much], I keep WebTelegram in addition to TELEports installed on my UT devices because it fills in the blanks for missing features that have yet to be added to TELEports though.  Besides that, sometimes things I've copied from other apps won't paste into Teleports, but I can get it to
[20:10] <ubptgbot> work with WebTelegram.
 sure
 @TotalSonic [Since it hasn't been added to Teleports yet - the "WebTelegram" webapp in the Op …], It is available in TELEports.
 @imraniqbal [It is available in TELEports.], how?
 (Photo, 1077x351) https://irc.ubports.com/YBIOcF78.png
 Click on the image on the left.
 hey - whadday know - it does work.  For some reason when I tried it earlier that wasn't working
 The username only works if the person your trying to reach has one, for example I dont
 thanks for the correction!!
 @Tygerpro [The username only works if the person your trying to reach has one, for example …], ok, that makes sense
 In my defense I dont have one cause I dont like being pinged for everything
 @Tygerpro [The username only works if the person your trying to reach has one, for example …], Now why don't you have one yet?
 More like it - In your Telegram privacy settings you can decide whether you want to display username or telephone or not.
 you have a username regardless
 @TotalSonic [you have a username regardless], no, it's not required to set one
 @Tygerpro [In my defense I dont have one cause I dont like being pinged for everything], OK, we'll just keep replying to you!
 @dohbee [no, it's not required to set one], oh, ok, corrected again
 (Photo, 622x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/XcMFye5O.png Username not required
 [Edit] hey - whaddaya know - it does work.  For some reason when I tried it earlier that wasn't working
 @Tygerpro [<reply to media>], Might want to remove that?
 Your number.
 yeah - we can see your telephone number in that screen shot
 but I was indeed mistaken!!
 Yeah, if a unknown number calls I dont answer anyways, but good catch, I missed it
[20:22] <ubptgbot> Taekky was added by: Taekky
 Anyone is welcome to call, but Im not gonna be answering lol
 Does it link that image somewhere when bridging to IRC?
 @Tygerpro [Anyone is welcome to call, but Im not gonna be answering lol], what if i call :P
 @imraniqbal [Does it link that image somewhere when bridging to IRC?], yes
 So is it still available there?
 @imraniqbal [So is it still available there?], yes, but i can delete it from the server
 i will do that
 @mariogrip [what if i call :P], If its important youll leave a message lol
 @Tygerpro [Anyone is welcome to call, but Im not gonna be answering lol], Good thing @mariogrip was around!
 Eh, telemarketers all over already have it, but yeah, probably
 @Tygerpro [Eh, telemarketers all over already have it, but yeah, probably], Now telemarketers all over the world will have it!
 Ubuntu Touch OTA-10 is slated for release on Wednesday, August 14, 2019. You can help us with Quality Assurance in this final week by following the instructions in our Call for Testing! … https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/call-for-testing-ubuntu-touch-ota-10-238
 @imraniqbal [Now telemarketers all over the world will have it!], Now if only they had something I wanted
 @UniversalSuperBox [Ubuntu Touch OTA-10 is slated for release on Wednesday, August 14, 2019. You can …], YAY :D
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/6SJ8xsJM.webp
 OH NEW STICKER PACK
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/f8Uz5F6H.webp
 @mariogrip [OH NEW STICKER PACK], Day late and a dollar short, buddy. ;)
 Lol
 @UniversalSuperBox [Day late and a dollar short, buddy. ;)], I knew it was comming, but havent seen it before :P
 I recall it being mentioned after Marius signed off last Q&A
 Well I mean we did talk about it on the last Q&A
 that's what you get for leaving the Q&A early
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/7DCRoUld.webp
 lol
 I couldn't exactly tell which emoji that one was supposed to be
 @UniversalSuperBox [Ubuntu Touch OTA-10 is slated for release on Wednesday, August 14, 2019. You can …], A release without me YAY :D
 I think its supposed to be yumi masquerading as android
 Right, but you assign emoji to stickers
 Ahh, yeah, forgot about that part
 The new stickers are amazing
 @UniversalSuperBox [Right, but you assign emoji to stickers], you don't have to though i guess. since when i look at so many they don't have any characters pop up to show what they are meant to be for
 @mariogrip [<reply to media>], awesome. :)
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/sROzmseD.png
 Yep still trippy
[21:52] <ubptgbot> @hiccupstix was added by: @hiccupstix
 how early does aethercast start streaming, when booting up?
 Hey guys, been wanting to install Ubports' version of Ubuntu Touch for a while. Have an old Pixel (first gen) sitting around but having difficulty finding documentation. I understand it's not officially supported but has anyone had any luck whatsoever installing it from a Xububtu 18.04 computer?
 @dohbee [how early does aethercast start streaming, when booting up?], Well you have to start casting then restart unity8
 But then it's pretty fast, the compositor might be handling the displays?
 @@hiccupstix [Hey guys, been wanting to install Ubports' version of Ubuntu Touch for a while. …], no, as it is not supported. one would need to port it first
 Wait, no, aethercast is. Duh.
 @dohbee [no, as it is not supported. one would need to port it first], This I could have quite a bit of fun with.
 Thanks for the heads up @dohbee
 @@hiccupstix [This I could have quite a bit of fun with.], http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 @dohbee [http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html], You're doing the Lord's work, my friend.
 There was someone working on a port to the first-gen XL, I don't think the regular one though
 My only pixel porting experience is with marlin and taimen. This shouldn't be overly difficult.
 Everytime I say that I regret doing so, but hey at least it'll be fun.
 Ubuntu Touch is a little different, but there are lots of people to help. You might hit some roadblocks that are due to the system and not you, but the more we hit them the closer we get to tearing them down.
 i guess it may or may not make my pixel more useful if you do get a port working
 It's not bricked any more?
 no, the one i bricked got replaced; and i didn't brick the second one
 Shouldn't matter, rooting doesn't void Pixel warranties. I've hardbricked three or four over the years.
 it's just garbage
 ahh
 "It's not bricked, just bad" lol
 the case is nice and all, but it had weirdness with bluetooth and the screen and after a while i gave up on it and just got the htc
 Idk I'm typing this from a OnePlus 7 Pro with 12GB RAM and it consistently uses over 50% of that available RAM. My Pixel has 4GB and never uses more than 2. It's snappier than my OnePlus even with Fanatic mode on.
 it might be better now, given that it has android 9, but meh
 What could Android be doing with 6GB RAM
 what the heck are you putting in memory that uses up 6GB on a phone
 my workstation isn't even using 4GB, and I have 32 total
 These are all good questions.
 i very rarely use more than 8 even
 The answer: "Java."
 Yup. I have single boards that are more efficient. My NanoPC-T4 has 4GB of RAM and I don't even know what to do with it and I actually use kvm fairly regularly.
 @UniversalSuperBox [The answer: "Java."], "i have 300 tabs open in chrome"
 Start up all your apps in Ubuntu Touch then SIGSTOP them all. They're ready to go instantly, but at what cost
 ....I'm not telling you anything you don't already know but in developer mode you can limit background processes to the hilt and I've experimented to hard close all activities and I'll go to settings and Android OS is still using 4.6GB RAM.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Start up all your apps in Ubuntu Touch then SIGSTOP them all. They're ready to g …], i mean, i could do that on my PC too i guess, but what's the point really
 Yeah, once you've got solid state storage it really doesn't matter
 even without it. i don't really need to keep freecad and inkscape and gimp and whatnot open all day long when i'm not using them
 "Unused RAM is wasted RAM" … "Yeah, if the used RAM is doing something for the user"
 or all the games
 Android System, Android OS, System UI collectively using 4.6GB of RAM as I type this.
 I don't game.
 Hmm, wireless display doesn't quite work on RC but it works almost on edge
 I just wanted stupid specs I'd never need for bragging rights - bragging rights to who, is anyone's guess because who cares lol.
 Now all I have is a super hot Fairphone 2 and sadness
 Successful day of testing!
 Wait, no, here we go
 it crashed
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/zDTCm5p1.png
 yay
 Full disclosure I'm going to ask some noob questions here. What's up with Fairphone 2, is it well-made? I'm new to this project, so excuse any dumb questions. I loved my old Nexus 5P, would I be just as well off buying one and installing Touch on there?
 Hey, no dumb questions here
 Don't test me, sir. 😋
 Meaning "That is not a dumb question" not "dumb questions are not allowed" lol
 Lol I totally understand what you meant and it was kind of you to say.
 The Fairphone comes at a price, but it's a pretty good piece of hardware. I've been generally happy with mine, though its use is limited in the US
 It's got the same chipset as the Oneplus One
 The Nexus 5 is supported by Ubuntu Touch, the 5X is not
 Oh my bad.
 I've been known to abuse mine to compile Mir and Unity8... if it does that, it can probably handle your workload.
 and there is no 5P :P
 there is an in-progress port of 6P though
 Assuming Florian stops swearing at it
 i had two here and i would say they are prone to intermittent contacts...
 in-progress != actively progressing ;)
 Right, the contacts can get some corrosion on them and then the hardware that they connect becomes unresponsive. Sliding the parts around fixes it.
 (typo sorry) What are the warranty perimeters of the Fairphone? Only reason I've stuck with Google is the ability to root and hardbrick as much as the heart desires, only to have a fresh new phone FedEx express shipped to me within the week from Google. Other than that I have nothing good to say about the company. I'd love to gravitat
[22:22] <ubptgbot> e elsewhere.
 Hmm, not sure about that. There are only refurbished units available now as they gear up for the Fairphone 3
 If you're just looking to dip your toes in, the Nexus 5 can be had for cheap. That's where I'd go.
 "Yours to open, yours to keep", they encourage you to repair it yourself and replace the modules yourself... i would we astonished if you would loose the warranty by installing another os... But i didn't check to be honest and not sure what happens if you brick it...
 Well, don't run `fastboot flash bootloader` and it should be fine
 ....what phone is that ever safe on?
 maybe @Ingo_FP_Angel knows something about the warranty conditions...
 Seriously, that's a death sentence usually is it not?
 Yep
 Lol okay but I love that you remembered you're talking to a noob here so you're looking out for me, thank you Dalton!
 @hummlbach ["Yours to open, yours to keep", they encourage you to repair it yourself and rep …], I have bought a FP2 with android in 2017 and I flashed it to UT in 2019. Then I had some hardware problem. I contact the FP support and they were reactive and kind. I had my cam and mic modules replaced for free. They sent the modules and I c
[22:58] <ubptgbot> hanged them 🙂
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[03:00] <ScottL> i wonder how many people who want the -rt kernel and proprietary nvidia driver really need them
[03:00] <ScottL> it just seems that perhaps they incur a lot of problems when perhaps they don't need to


[10:34] <Tonio_> hi
[10:35] <Tonio_> toma__:  I just saw your yesterday message.... I heard about kscope but never used it
[10:35] <Tonio_> raphink: ping ?
[11:05] <Hobbsee> hi all
[11:09] <Hobbsee> toma__: ping?
[11:21] <raphink> yop Tonio_
[11:21] <Tonio_> raphink: tu pourras uploader mes perges pour main aujourd'hui ?
[11:22] <Tonio_> s/perges/merges ?
[11:22] <Tonio_> yop Hobbsee
[11:22] <raphink> Tonio_: tu me les envoies stp?
[11:22] <raphink> et je verrais a dans l'aprs midi
[11:23] <Tonio_> raphink: ils seront sur revu
[11:23] <raphink> ok
[11:23] <Tonio_> il y aura gtk-qt-engine, kaffeine et gwenview
[11:23] <Tonio_> au minimum
[11:23] <raphink> tu peux m'envoyer les urls par mail stp?
[11:23] <raphink> je verrai a plus tard je suis un peu occup l
[11:24] <Tonio_> oki
[11:54] <\sh> moins
[11:54] <\sh> Riddell: now, what was not working with pysip?
[12:06] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_
[12:31] <toma> Hobbsee: pong
[12:31] <toma> and hi all
[12:35] <toma> Tonio_: ping
[12:40] <Hobbsee> toma: did you get other packages working last night?
[12:41] <toma> Hobbsee: yes,  i merged kscope, pending riddells review now
[12:41] <Hobbsee> toma: nice :)
[12:41] <toma> yes, productive day yesterday
[12:41] <Tonio_> toma: hey ;
[12:42] <toma> hi Tonio_
[12:42] <toma> i asked you about kscope because it uses a nice feature.
[12:42] <Tonio_> toma: you told me about kscope
[12:42] <Tonio_> which one ?
[12:43] <toma> on each tab the icon change to a close icon as soon as you hover over it
[12:43] <toma> there is a setting in konqueror which does the same
[12:43] <Tonio_> toma: ah ?
[12:43] <Tonio_> I never saw this function in konq
[12:43] <Tonio_> how to activate it ?
[12:43] <toma> it is in de the rc
[12:44] <toma> [FMSettings]
[12:44] <toma>  HoverCloseButton=true
[12:44] <Tonio_> toma: I know it is possible to replace the icon by aclose button, but not while hovering th icon...
[12:44] <Tonio_> ahh
[12:44] <Tonio_> great
[12:45] <Tonio_> it is not accessible via the standard graphical config afaics
[12:45] <Tonio_> that'll go in kds for sure ;)
[12:45] <toma> maybe something as default setting
[12:45] <toma> no graphical setting indeed
[12:46] <toma> on kde-core-devel there were some accessibility concerns, I don't think they are very valid, but maybe you should read that thread...
[12:47] <Tonio_> toma: that's briliant !
[12:47] <Tonio_> I'll had it to new kds
[12:47] <Tonio_> toma: I didn't subscribed to this one
[12:47] <toma> you might want to remove the right close button than
[12:47] <Tonio_> is thare any url to read it ?
[12:48] <Tonio_> toma: remove it in the graphical settings ?
[12:48] <Tonio_> maybe I will patch this yes
[12:48] <Tonio_> very nice setting
[12:48] <Tonio_> thanks for the info !
[12:49] <toma> Tonio_: 17 juni the thread started, see http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel
[12:49] <Tonio_> toma: bookmarked
[12:49] <Tonio_> but I have to go and buy a few stuff for tomorrow's world cup' final ;)
[12:49] <toma> Tonio_: bookmark this as well: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret%20Config%20Settings
[12:49] <Tonio_> I don't want to miss anything for the latest zidane's game !!
[12:50] <toma> *sigh* football
[12:50] <Tonio_> second link is very interesting
[12:50] <Tonio_> toma: I love football but I'm not a fan
[12:51] <Tonio_> but with zidane that's different, it is like watching art !
[12:51] <toma> but i wont buy stuff for it
[12:51] <toma> *puke*
[12:51] <Tonio_> toma: stuff means : beer, food, saussages etc.... ;)
[12:51] <toma> ah ok
[12:52] <Tonio_> hehe
[12:52] <Tonio_> toma: thanks for the info
[12:52] <toma> your welcome
[12:53] <\sh> looks like that python-qt4 packages are in NEW queue
[12:53] <toma> you're
[12:53] <toma> need coffee
[01:06] <Hobbsee> YAY!!!!!
[01:06] <Hobbsee> pbuilders work again for building KDE stuff!!!
[01:07] <toma> YAY
[01:07] <toma> what?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> toma: means we dont have to keep building on Riddell's chroot - we can use pbuilder
[01:07] <toma> ah
[01:07] <Hobbsee> which will mean i dont have to use ssh to a machine on the other side of the world.
[01:08] <toma> so the notes i  took yesterday can be deleted?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> toma: well, most are still necessary
[01:08] <Hobbsee> but you can run the pbuilder to build the package, rather than in the chroot.  check out !pbuilder
[01:09] <toma> i will. i will
[01:18] <\sh> Hobbsee: you mean I can update pbuilder and Xorg is running again?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> \sh: i dont know about xorg working, but kdelibs4-dev is installable again
[01:19] <\sh> so xorg is working again ;)
[01:19] <Hobbsee> which means that hte kde universe is buildable :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> \sh: UVF just means that syncs from debian arent automatically done right?  do you still have to write a UVF for every package you upload?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> s/UVF/UVF exception
[01:22] <\sh> Hobbsee: UFV is on the 13th right? after that you have to right UFV exception reports
[01:22] <Hobbsee> \sh: yes.
[01:22] <Hobbsee> urgh.
[01:23] <\sh> that's why we should go and merge whatever we can
[01:23] <Hobbsee> \sh: that's very, very early, it seems.
[01:23] <Hobbsee> wish that was only in effect from feature freeze, not UVF>
[01:24] <\sh> well, we have a short release schedule for edgy
[01:24] <Hobbsee> true
[01:24] <\sh> don't concentrate on kde only...just merge what you can :)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> true
[01:25] <\sh> we need all hands
[01:26] <Hobbsee> \sh: also true.
[01:27] <\sh> cool....september 28th is universe freeze not 13th july
[01:28] <Hobbsee> nice!!!
[01:30] <Hobbsee> \sh: the reason i start with the kde universe packages is that they are the ones with my name on them.
[01:44] <Hobbsee> wired connection works far better for downloading large amounts of stuff.
[01:53] <toma> \sh: trying to create the pbuilder environment. How do i debootstrap it for edgy? since there is no script. Use dapper and upgrade later on?
[01:53] <\sh> toma: no..fetch the debootstrap package from edgy and install it via dpkg -i
[01:54] <Hobbsee> toma: yes.  there are instructions in the !pbuilder for that
[01:54] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, that works too
[01:54] <toma> oki
[01:55] <\sh> it's better to use the new deboostrap, because when you update from dapper to edgy there are still some dead packages left sometimes
[01:56] <toma> ok, pbuilder create running
[01:57] <Hobbsee> yay, kprof is working
[01:57] <Hobbsee> i  think
[02:00] <toma> pbuilder does not seem difficult to use
[02:00] <Hobbsee> toma: it,s not, once you get it set up
[02:03] <Hobbsee> \sh: are you into uploading things this evening?
[02:04] <\sh> I'm sitting in the office...so yes, I can upload :)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> \sh: cool, kprof has hit revu, and i've deleted the bits that Riddell said i could.  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2639
[02:07] <Hobbsee> zakame: ping?
[02:09] <\sh> Hobbsee: orig tar.gz from the merge directory?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> \sh: yes, sorry
[02:16] <Hobbsee> \sh: what's the protocol of stealing other people's merges?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> as the MoM list isnt updating atm.
[02:20] <\sh> Hobbsee: check first the uploads in edgy-updates, what's done...then take some packages ;)
[02:20] <Hobbsee> \sh: right, good.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:21] <\sh> kprof uploaded
[02:21] <Hobbsee> \sh: thankyou :)
[02:30] <toma> YAY, that worked
[02:35] <Hobbsee> toma: :D
[02:36] <toma> Hobbsee: skipped kvpnc?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> toma: it's not on the merges list, so yeah.  what's with it?
[02:37] <toma> 0.8.5 in debian atm
[02:39] <Hobbsee> toma: that *should* be a sync.  check that debian builds.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> toma: or i'll do it, if you want
[02:39] <toma> no
[02:39] <toma> let me try
[02:39] <Hobbsee> toma: okay, go for it.  go check for why it should be a sync first, if you like
[02:40] <toma> ?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> 1.  is the only change a dh_iconcache?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> 2.  does it use cdbs?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> 3.  does it have includes /usr/cdbs/1/kde.mk or whatever it is - instead of a debian/cdbs/1/kde.mk
[02:41] <Hobbsee> if 1, 2, 3 are all true, it can usually be synced.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> simple :P
[02:43] <toma> stupid q: how to check 2?
[02:43] <toma> build deps?
[02:44] <\sh> toma: yepp...and the rules file looks different then a rules file with debhelper
[02:44] <toma> oki
[02:47] <Hobbsee> toma: open debian/rules with a text editor, have a look if it uses debhelper or cdbs
[02:49] <toma> Hobbsee: this would be a merge, kubuntu and debian have deviated a lot
[02:49] <Hobbsee> toma: oh have they? how so?
[02:51] <toma> no, it has not been a sync from debian in a long time
[02:51] <toma> since breezy
[02:52] <Hobbsee> kvpnc?
[02:52] <toma> yeps
[02:52] <Hobbsee> toma: okay, something fubar'd earlier, ignore what i said re sync.
[02:57] <toma> someone with knowledge of the package should look at it.
[03:27] <nixternal> moins everyone
[03:30] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you've got a lot of them listed on yoru app for membership on kubuntu meetings :P
[03:31] <nixternal> ya, i did that so you have a one stop shop...since everyone usually has the agenda page open..however i can remove them since they are redundant
[03:31] <toma> can someone confirm and assifn bug 52336
[03:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52336 in kile "Please sync with Debian" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52336
[03:31] <Hobbsee> nixternal: well, it's got a one stop shop anyway - that's launchpad :P
[03:33] <nixternal> fixed
[03:33] <nixternal> ;)
[03:36] <Hobbsee> toma: getting stevenk to approve sync for kile, as i didnt see your sync request.  there's a specific way that sync requests are getting filed too, it seems
[03:37] <toma> Hobbsee: ow?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> toma: ow?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/52336/
[03:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52336 in kile "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync kile 1:1.9.1-1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[03:37] <toma> ah
[03:38] <toma> ok
[03:38] <Hobbsee> toma: and attach the MOM report, and get a MOTU to ack it.
[03:54] <toma> ok
[03:55] <Hobbsee> toma: hope you're not touching klibido atm.
[03:55] <toma> nope
[03:55] <Hobbsee> toma: good, which are you workign on?
[03:55] <toma> hmmm... none ;-)
[03:56] <Hobbsee> toma: oh, and i'd add kvpnc and anythign else you find that's fallen thru the MOM cracks to the edgypackageupdates page - we need a record of where those ones are.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> s/where/what
[03:56] <imbrandon> !info banshee
[03:56] <ubotu> banshee: Audio Management and Playback application. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.10.10-0ubuntu10 (dapper), package size 870 kB, installed size 2744 kB
[04:02] <toma> Hobbsee: oki, added
[04:02] <Hobbsee> toma: cool :)
[04:18] <imbrandon> *ring* *ring*, leave a message after the beep, *beeeeeeeep*
[04:23] <toma> Hobbsee: ok? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kphone/+bug/52340
[04:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52340 in kphone "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync 4.2-6 from Debian" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[04:25] <Hobbsee> toma: there's no bit in there about "okay to overwrite ubuntu changes" although you did spell it out.  i'm not sure if they specifically look for that wording.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> toma: ping a MOTU to approve it for you
[04:26] <toma> #kubuntu-motu is empty ;-)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> toma: \sh is around, Ridd*ell might be, and now raphink is.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> toma: + any in u-motu
[04:27] <raphink> :p
[04:27] <raphink> ;)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> raphink: nice timing :P
[04:28] <raphink> huh?
[04:28] <raphink> why?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> raphink: just coming in as we were looking for a MOTU
[04:28] <toma> raphink: you could approve bug 52340
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52340 in kphone "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync 4.2-6 from Debian" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52340
[04:29] <raphink> no I can't approve a sync
[04:29] <raphink> the ubuntu-archive members approve and achieve syncs
[04:29] <Hobbsee> raphink: because?   apart from testing it, of course
[04:29] <raphink> not just any MOTU
[04:29] <Hobbsee> raphink: a MOTU has to ack it, then subscribe the archive, then the archive actually does the sync.
[04:29] <raphink> because a sync (contrarily to a merge) still has "unstable" as the distro
[04:29] <raphink> so we can't upload it
[04:29] <raphink> the archive managers have to directly put it in the archive
[04:29] <raphink> without uploading
[04:30] <raphink> ah right I can do that ;)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> raphink: i'd test it first but :P
[04:30] <raphink> hehe
[04:30] <raphink> sure I wil
[04:32] <toma> Hobbsee: from memory codeine, phone, kile, digikamimageplugins and skipped kvpnc.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> toma: heh, right.
[04:33] <raphink> I'll test it in a minute toma
[04:49] <raphink> toma: done
[04:49] <toma> raphink: great, thanks
[04:50] <raphink> although what would be much better would be a new version of kphone
[04:50] <raphink> 4.2 is really old
[04:50] <raphink> or at least it looks like it
[04:50] <raphink> it's not very functional
[04:50] <raphink> it needs a lot of love imo
[04:50] <raphink> :s
[04:54] <imbrandon> Riddell, do i need to assign or subscribe anyone to this malone 52343
[04:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52343 in kbfx "[ backport ]  kbfx 4.9.1+4.9.2rc1 from edgy to dapper-backports" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52343
[04:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no you dont
[04:56] <Hobbsee> only -backporters
[04:57] <toma> raphink: kphone seems to be dead and replaced by kphone SI
[04:57] <raphink> kphone SI?
[04:57] <raphink> yes it seems kphone is dead
[04:57] <raphink> it hardly works actually
[04:59] <toma> raphink: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kphone
[04:59] <toma> ktwinkle is much better
[05:00] <raphink> toma: could you package ktwinkle then?
[05:00] <toma> that is packaged
[05:00] <toma> not sure where though
[05:00] <toma> let me check
[05:02] <Hobbsee> night all!
[05:02] <raphink> night Hobbsee
[05:02] <raphink> toma: do you think kphone should be replaced by kphone-si ?
[05:02] <raphink> or should it be duplicated?
[05:03] <toma> replaced, according to the webpage
[05:03] <toma> kubuntu has https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/twinkle
[05:05] <toma> i'll ping the debian team to see if they are working on the 0.8.0 version of twinkle
[05:08] <toma> night Hobbsee
[05:13] <raphink> twinkle is much better than kphone already :)
[05:13] <raphink> it even works better than wengophone
[05:13] <raphink> it seems
[05:14] <toma> yes, it is a good app
[05:15] <toma> bbl
[05:17] <raphink> well I wouldn't say it's good
[05:17] <raphink> it asks far too many questions
[05:18] <raphink> says too many things
[05:18] <raphink> is not easy to use
[05:18] <raphink> but it's surely way better than kphone
[05:18] <raphink> the truth is that I'm really looking for wengophone-ng
[05:18] <raphink> to support SIP properly
[05:18] <raphink> because wengophone truly rocks :)
[05:25] <toma> good as in 'it works', if we are talking about appearance and co, i can name a few other bad apps
[05:30] <raphink> very light ;)
[05:30] <raphink> compared to amarok of course
[05:49] <abattoir> can any admin take care of the oem guy @ #kubuntu?
[05:52] <raphink> I don't have admin rights on #kubuntu i'm afraid
[05:52] <raphink> ask Seveas
[05:52] <raphink> maybe
[05:53] <abattoir> i think imbrandon has come to the rescue ;)
[05:53] <raphink> ok
[05:53] <raphink> good
[07:40] <raphink> http://revu/~lucas/mergescountdown/mergescountdown.png
[07:40] <raphink> hehe
[07:40] <raphink> oops sorrry
[07:40] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/~lucas/mergescountdown/mergescountdown.png
[07:41] <raphink> hehe
[07:41] <raphink> it's getting better by the day
[07:42] <zorglu1> the number of packages is terrifying
[07:43] <zorglu1> do you guys do it by hand one by one ?
[07:43] <zorglu1> or you have some kind of convertion script/tools ?
[07:49] <raphink> zorglu1: when it comes to merges, yes
[07:49] <raphink> many are done by MoM though
[07:49] <raphink> iirc
[08:05] <bddebian> Howdy
[08:12] <raphink> hi bddebian
[08:14] <bddebian> Heya raphink
[08:14] <raphink> how are you?
[08:15] <bddebian> OK thanks. You?
[08:23] <raphink> I'm good thanks :)
[08:42] <Tonio_> raphink: ping ?
[08:42] <raphink> pong ?
[08:42] <raphink> je suis en train de m'clater  crire un script pour aider  merger
[08:42] <Tonio_> oki
[08:42] <Tonio_> pour mes uploads t'aura un peu de temps ce soir ?
[08:42] <raphink> oui
[08:43] <raphink> tu peux me rappeler lesquels c'est?
[08:43] <zorglu1> oh des francais :)
[08:43] <raphink> huhu
[08:43] <Tonio_> hehe
[08:44] <Tonio_> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2595
[08:44] <Tonio_> pour commencer
[08:44] <Tonio_> j'upload les autres
[08:44] <raphink> dis moi Tonio_, quand on lance une recherche dans un man
[08:45] <raphink> comment on va  l'occurence suivante dj?
[08:45] <zorglu1> just 'q'
[08:45] <Tonio_> N
[08:45] <Tonio_> enfin "n"
[08:45] <Tonio_> :)
[08:46] <Tonio_> c'est du vi hein :)
[08:46] <zorglu1> ok pas bien compris alors :)
[08:46] <zorglu1> man -a open puis 'q' 'q'
[08:46] <zorglu1> alors que cetait pas ca :)
[08:52] <raphink> Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/~raphink/merge tu veux tester?
[08:54] <Tonio_> c afait koi ?
[08:54] <Tonio_> je capte pas trop le fonctionnement de ton truc la...
[08:55] <Tonio_> ca va just dl le packet source debian ?
[08:55] <raphink> a dl le paquet source sid, le paquet source edgy
[08:55] <raphink> et a les met dans une arborescence :)
[08:55] <raphink> et y'a plus qu' comparer
[08:56] <raphink> enfin moi j'aime bien parceque c'est comme a que je bosse sur les merges
[08:56] <raphink> j'utilise pas mom
[08:56] <Tonio_> waip mais c koi mdt ?
[08:56] <Tonio_> je connai s pas cet outil ?
[08:56] <raphink> c'est un outil de lucas
[08:56] <Tonio_> oki
[08:56] <raphink> qui permet de grer les paquets de plusieurs distros
[08:57] <raphink> trs sympa
[08:57] <Tonio_> bah je testerai
[08:57] <raphink> mais pas encore packag
[08:57] <raphink> enfin c'est sur REVU depuis des mois je crois
[08:57] <Tonio_> mais comme pour mes packets la plupart ils viennent pas de chez debian....
[08:57] <raphink> certes
[08:57] <raphink> mais bon c'est pour merger
[08:57] <raphink> bon c 'est kaffeine et quoi qu'il faut que je regarde?
[08:57] <Tonio_> j'upload les autres attends ;)
[08:57] <raphink> ok
[09:02] <Tonio_> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2644
[09:10] <raphink> Tonio_: j'upload kaffeine
[09:10] <raphink> tu peux archiver sur REVU
[09:11] <Tonio_> ok
[09:11] <Tonio_> et sur la page wiki je met qu'il est dans la build queue
[09:12] <raphink> ok
[09:13] <Tonio_> raphink: sinon toma m'a montr un rglage cach de konq ;)
[09:13] <Tonio_> un truc super
[09:13] <Tonio_> remplacer l'icone des sites par un bouton ferm quannd on a le pointeur dessus
[09:13] <raphink> atta je suis super oqp  aider un mec
[09:13] <Tonio_> super bien foutu :)
[09:13] <Tonio_> oki
[09:17] <Tonio_> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2645
[09:17] <Tonio_> pour la collec ;)
[09:17] <raphink> je regarde l'autre aprs
[09:17] <raphink> je suis mga oqp l
[09:17] <raphink> dsl
[09:21] <raphink> argh j'ai mal regard
[09:21] <raphink> Tonio_: stp refais le kaffeine en edgy
[09:21] <raphink> et reup
[09:22] <Tonio_> j'ai loup ca ?
[09:22] <Tonio_> merde !
[09:22] <raphink> ;)
[09:22] <raphink> du coup il a t refus
[09:22] <raphink> parceuqe j'ai revu vite fait ;)
[09:24] <Tonio_> merdoum.....
[09:24] <Lure> raphink, Tonio_: hi - if I need to add new config file in package, should I just use patch (diff -N) or put new file in debian/ and copy it as appropriate in debian/rules?
[09:28] <Tonio_> Lure: I don't really understand the question......
[09:28] <Tonio_> raphink: j'ai tout reup....
[09:29] <raphink> ok
[09:29] <raphink> j'ai pas le temps de voir a maintenant
[09:29] <Lure> I need to add another config file to kmilo package - since it is not in orig.tar.gz, I think I can either put it as a file in debian/ and then change debian/rules to copy it to appropriate location or just do a patch in debian/patches which will creat new file (diff -N would be used)
[09:32] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[09:32] <Tonio_> Lure: put it in ebian folder and add a dhinstall rule to rules file
[09:32] <Tonio_> you can either do with a patch, but that's useless
[09:34] <Lure> ok, will try to find the way in debian/rules...
[10:19] <raphink> Tonio_: pour partitionner en console, tu prends quoi?
[10:31] <pygi> abattoir, !!!
[10:32] <abattoir> hello pygi :)
[10:49] <Tonio_> raphink: cfdisk
[10:49] <raphink> comment on fait quand on a vir le /var
[10:49] <raphink> et que dpkg il sait plus o il en est ? ;)
[10:50] <pygi> abattoir, see banyan
[10:50] <Lure> Riddell: around?
[10:51] <Tonio_> raphink: arghhhhhhhhh
[10:51] <raphink> hh
[10:51] <Tonio_> raphink: c'est une partition  part ou pas ?
[10:51] <Tonio_> ou alors c'est juste un dossier ?
[10:53] <Tonio_> raphink: essay eavec gpart
[10:53] <Tonio_> il peut recover tes partitions depuis la table de partoches
[10:54] <Tonio_> si c'est un dossier essaye avec testdisk
[10:54] <raphink> ah non j'ai repartionn
[10:54] <raphink> je suis un boeuf
[11:30] <Pupeno__> Hello.
[11:30] <Pupeno__> I'd like to code an idea I have for the installer, in fact, for the partitioner. Where would I start ?
[11:51] <toma> Pupeno: maybe it is best to mail your idea to the ml
[11:52] <toma> Pupeno: i thought i heard something about a rewrite
[11:52] <toma> Pupeno: but im not sure
[11:52] <Pupeno> toma: I'd like to avoid vaporware.
[11:52] <Pupeno> toma: outch.


[00:05] <bazhang> a sourceforge repo?
[00:07] <Unit193> bazhang: Yeah, the mozilla one is a bit of a known one.
[00:08] <bazhang> is ubuntuzilla just another chatzilla?
[00:09] <Unit193> No, it's a repo for firefox, specifically.
[00:09] <bazhang> ok
[00:09] <bazhang> odd place to host it
[00:10] <Unit193> bazhang: Not sure it's needed in Ubuntu considering how fast they do it now, but http://sourceforge.net/p/ubuntuzilla/wiki/Main_Page/#background
[00:11] <bazhang> yep
[00:11] <cfhowlett> I can wait ...
[00:12] <bazhang> its pretty much a near instant security update from what I can tell
[00:12] <xubuntu95w> hi
[00:13] <xubuntu95w> how i can start preinstalled? (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-preinstalled/current/)
[00:13] <Unit193> That's not Xubuntu at all.
[00:14] <Unit193> bazhang: Except for the development version, they don't tend to care as much there.
[00:16] <xubuntu95w> I know, but I think there may be people who can help a novice.
[00:17] <bazhang> help with what
[00:17] <Unit193> Unity8 is entirely different, I'd recommend #ubuntu or #ubuntu-desktop (can't remember what exactly, but.)
[00:19] <xubuntu95w> ok, thank's
[00:19] <a1fa> or #ubuntu-unity
[17:36] <xubuntu29w> Bonjour à tous. Y-at-il quelqu'un de disponible pour aider un pauvre linuxien en devenir ?
[17:36] <bazhang> !fr
[17:36] <slickymaster> !fr | xubuntu29w
[17:37] <xubuntu29w> oh, sorry
[17:37] <bazhang> #ubuntu-fr for francais
[17:37] <xubuntu29w> thanks
[17:37] <slickymaster> the bot might be sleeping bazhang
[17:37] <bazhang> more than that I am afraid
[17:38] <slickymaster> :)
[18:01] <Pwnna> does anyone use tlp here?
[18:02] <mrkramps> yes
[18:06] <Pwnna> do you have a second hdd?
[18:06] <mrkramps> no
[18:06] <Pwnna> hm
[18:07] <Pwnna> anyways my disk keeps going from standby to active when i connect/disconnect from power
[18:07] <Pwnna> the second disk which i don't use often
[18:11] <mrkramps> Pwnna, probably because the different power states use different settings for the disks
[18:12] <mrkramps> changing settings will cause disks to wake up
[18:12] <Pwnna> yeah but idk where the settings are..
[18:12] <Pwnna> i've already check TLP
[18:13] <mrkramps> default configuration file is /etc/default/tlp
[18:14] <mrkramps> details are explained at http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-configuration.html
[19:35] <puff> I had a thinkpad t520 with xubuntu 14.04LTS, and an external monitor, a dell U24.  When I dock my laptop, on both the laptop screen and the external monitor I get two annoying little popups about screen resolution that I can't figure out how to make go away.  One says "Display: Laptop\n Resolution 1600x1024" and shows on both the laptop and the dell u24.  The other says "Dispaly: Dell Inc 24"\ nResolution: 1920 x 1200" and shows on
[19:35] <puff> both.
[19:35] <puff> I had a thinkpad t520 with xubuntu 14.04LTS, and an external monitor, a dell U24.  When I dock my laptop, on both the laptop screen and the external monitor I get two annoying little popups about screen resolution that I can't figure out how to make go away.
[19:35] <puff> One says "Display: Laptop\n Resolution 1600x1024" and shows on both the laptop and the dell u24.  The other says "Dispaly: Dell Inc 24"\ nResolution: 1920 x 1200" and shows on both.
[19:36] <puff> The dell monitor has a menu but doesn't have an option to set the resolution.  It has an option to set the aspect ratio, to 16x10 or 4x3 (i.e. 16 x 9), I tried that but the popups are still there.
[19:37] <puff> Hm, I just tried using Settings/Display and selected Mirror on the dell, that made the laptop popup goa way, but the Dell popup is still there.
[23:03] <puff> Good evening. I have a thinkpad t520 with xubuntu 14.04 LTS.  I have this little "Disply: Laptop\n Resolution:1920x1080" popup at the bottom of my screen and I can't figure out how to make it go away.
[23:03] <puff> I sometimes plug my laptop into a dock which has an external monitor, dell u24, that might be related.