[01:15] <Ubulette> libpipnss.a is bundled into libxul.so
[01:17] <asac> k
[01:17] <asac> like everything most likely ;)
[01:17] <asac> did you rebuild xul? or ffox?
[01:17] <asac> or both?
[01:17] <Ubulette> for what ?
[01:18] <asac> for new nss ;)
[01:18] <Ubulette> i'm all head her
[01:18] <Ubulette> e
[01:18] <Ubulette> :)
[01:18] <Ubulette> but that cert error is not new
[01:18] <asac> moving three components forward doesn't really help to track the issue down
[01:18] <asac> ok
[01:18] <asac> didn't know its an issue
[01:18] <asac> is there a bug?
[01:19] <Ubulette> I can't find one
[01:19] <Ubulette> but that doesn't mean anything
[01:20] <asac> firefox-3.0 in gutsy works fine
[01:20] <asac> with and without added root cert
[01:20] <asac> i get a cert warning and can accept it temporarily et al
[01:20] <asac> so it must be a recent regression
[01:22] <asac> now it crashed \O/
[01:22] <asac> openend a long rss feed bookmark
[01:22] <asac> bang
[01:22] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 399905
[01:22] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 399905 in English US "Bad cert domain error when clicking a link on fedex.com" [Normal,Reopened]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399905
[01:23] <Ubulette> nope
[01:23] <asac> you started this discussion with stgraber site ... that one works here
[01:24] <Ubulette> it's bad cert domain, i get certificate is not trusted or its issuer certificate is invalid.
[01:24] <Ubulette>  (sec_error_unknown_issuer)
[01:24] <asac> which url?
[01:24] <Ubulette> stgraber
[01:24] <asac> that bug is from yesterday
[01:25] <Ubulette> it's for a cert domain, not me
[01:25] <asac> ok
[01:27] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 398406
[01:28] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 398406 in General "Cleanup remaining uses of nsIBadCertListener in Minimo" [Normal,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=398406
[01:28] <Ubulette> "Bad cert's are now full stop error, there is no longer an interface to "proceed
[01:28] <Ubulette> anyway". A workaround requiring the manual use of certificate manager was made
[01:28] <Ubulette> available in bug 387480.
[01:28] <Ubulette> "
[01:28] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 387480
[01:28] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 387480 in Security: UI "Support network-fetched cert import in Servers tab of Cert Mgr ("Add Exception" dialog)" [Normal,Assigned]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387480
[01:34] <Ubulette> ok, it works if I add an exception for that site using the cert manager
[01:35] <Ubulette> so it could be an a9 thing
[01:35] <Ubulette> 387480 seems to be it
[01:39] <asac> mozilla bug 387480
[01:39] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 387480 in Security: UI "Support network-fetched cert import in Servers tab of Cert Mgr ("Add Exception" dialog)" [Normal,Assigned]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387480
[01:41] <Ubulette> there's a new UI but it does not popup when needed
[09:58] <asac> hi
[11:20] <asac> Ubulette: i assigned a xulrunner-1.9 bug to you ... about xpcshell. did we forget to include that or isn't it build at all?
[11:20] <asac> i guess this should go to the -dev package ... but not sure
[02:11] <gnomefreak> ok got kiko looking at changing the owner so i can add admins
[02:14] <asac> gnomefreak: i confirmed that you are ok to be owner
[02:16] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:17] <gnomefreak> who else was gonna be admin?
[02:19] <gnomefreak> asac: your now admin, there was someone else but cant think of who
[02:21] <asac> ok
[02:21] <asac> i think its enough to have two admins for now
[02:22] <gnomefreak> k
[02:22] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[02:22] <gnomefreak> !info sunbird
[02:22] <ubotu> Package sunbird does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:22] <gnomefreak> info sunbird gutsy
[02:23] <gnomefreak> !info sunbird gutsy
[02:23] <ubotu> sunbird: Sunbird stand-alone Calendar. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 7506 kB, installed size 22304 kB
[02:23] <gnomefreak> wtf
[02:25] <gnomefreak> there added sunbird to page
[02:25] <gnomefreak> should we add nss and nspr as supported packages by mozillateam?
[02:32] <asac> yes
[02:32] <asac> xulrunner-1.9 + firefox-3.0 as well
[02:32] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[02:33] <gnomefreak> leave granparadiso there?
[02:33] <asac> no ... remove
[02:34] <asac> its superseeded ;)
[02:34] <gnomefreak> ok
[02:34] <gnomefreak> remove xulrunner 1.8 as well
[02:35] <asac> yes, i think thats sane
[02:35] <asac> though its still in use
[02:35] <gnomefreak> ok
[02:35] <asac> so maybe keep it until after gutsy
[02:35] <gnomefreak> ok ill just add 1.9
[02:37] <asac> thanks
[02:37] <gnomefreak> no
[02:37] <gnomefreak> np
[02:40] <gnomefreak> ill be back i need to do some work on windows
[02:41] <gnomefreak> oh crap ill add nss and nspr later.
[02:46] <bluekuja> heya all
[02:46] <bluekuja> mr. gnomefreak, mr. asac
[02:48] <bluekuja> everything fine there?
[02:52] <bluekuja> ThunderStruck: heya mr. gnomefreak
[02:52] <ThunderStruck> hey ;)
[02:52] <bluekuja> everything fine?
[02:52] <ThunderStruck> windows pc nick
[02:52] <bluekuja> oh :D
[02:52] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, everything good for now
[02:52] <bluekuja> great to hear
[02:53] <bluekuja> :)
[02:53] <bluekuja> ThunderStruck: any news?
[02:53] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, you here most of the day?
[02:53] <bluekuja> yeah, I guess so
[02:54] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, yes its all set i will set it up when i get back downstairs, windows == work and coffee
[02:54] <bluekuja> oh :)
[02:54] <bluekuja> ThunderStruck: need me to do something later?
[02:54] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, i dont think so, i have a bunch to do i think
[02:55] <bluekuja> oki
[02:55] <bluekuja> why you asked if I'll be here most of the day?
[02:55] <bluekuja> thought you needed some help
[02:55] <bluekuja> for something
[02:55] <bluekuja> :)
[02:57] <ThunderStruck> just in case. im gonna get to ML later if i get that far i might need input
[02:58] <bluekuja> yeah, I'm here then
[02:58] <bluekuja> just ask if you need any information
[03:00] <bluekuja> I'm searching a new router to buy, wireless and cable
[03:01] <bluekuja> browsing some pages to find out what is out atm
[03:04] <ThunderStruck> ive  had bad times with d-link wireless routers. i love my motorola wifi router :)
[03:08] <bluekuja> ThunderStruck: dlink is bad?
[03:09] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, i havent had a good experince with it. my aunt got one and i had to reset ip range every day
[03:09] <ThunderStruck> thats why when i was in PA i would get disconnected so often
[03:09] <bluekuja> oh damn
[03:09] <ThunderStruck> but it might just be me
[03:10] <ThunderStruck> windows it works great
[03:10] <bluekuja> I guess I'll buy NETGEAR DG834G
[03:10] <bluekuja> check google for it
[03:10] <ThunderStruck> netgear is nice. just when using it with irc use port 8001
[03:11] <bluekuja> why?
[03:11] <ThunderStruck> netgear and dlink iirc both have the exploit issue in IRC
[03:11] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, the dcc send <16 chars>
[03:11] <ThunderStruck> !dcc
[03:11] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[03:12] <bluekuja> oh :/
[03:12] <ThunderStruck> that should give you what routers and firmware are effecfted
[03:12] <bluekuja> thanks for pointing me to that
[03:13] <bluekuja> I just want a router that gets online
[03:13] <bluekuja> and I can connect
[03:13] <bluekuja> cable/wireless at the same time
[03:13] <bluekuja> without disconnecting
[03:13] <bluekuja> one pc and connecting another
[03:13] <ThunderStruck> brb have to restart xchat to install python
[03:13] <bluekuja> in fact I cant have more than one active connection at home
[03:13] <bluekuja> k
[03:17] <asac> hello
[03:18] <bluekuja> heya asac
[03:18] <bluekuja> asac: went to bed yesterday at the end? :)
[03:18] <asac> more or less :) ... returned at 2am for a few minutes
[03:18] <bluekuja> oh :D
[03:19] <bluekuja> I was sleeping then^^
[03:19] <bluekuja> asac: still busy like yesterday?
[03:20] <asac> more or less ... but things look better ... i hope i can do my AM job tonight ... depending on whether i drink a beer after sport
[03:20] <bluekuja> hehee
[03:20] <asac> otherwise tomorrow - unless some serious issues pop up
[03:20] <bluekuja> asac: which sport?
[03:21] <asac> more important than your advocacy is to send in my AM report for my NM student ... he waits for 2 month now i guess
[03:21] <bluekuja> oh 2 months, that's a lot
[03:21] <asac> which i feel _really_ ashamed about
[03:22] <asac> well ... he had multiple month latency in the mids of his application ... so i don't feel that guilty
[03:22] <bluekuja> asac: that's ok then
[03:22] <bluekuja> asac: my advocacy will be done after that then?
[03:23] <bluekuja> so I can move waiting to have an AM assigned
[03:25] <bluekuja> asac: I've seen some delays on AM reports in some other apps inside the list
[03:26] <bluekuja> asac: some students of anibal
[03:26] <bluekuja> I guess
[03:27] <asac> bluekuja: there is no need to feel blocked because of this ... you can also start to help the debian qa team ... which is a good addition to your NM profile
[03:28] <asac> anyway ... I will advocate in the next moment i feel good about it
[03:28] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, I'm trying to setup a good collaboration between Ubuntu and Debian QA
[03:28] <asac> thats a good start ... mapping ubuntu bugs to existing debian bugs for instance
[03:28] <bluekuja> received a mail from luk
[03:29] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, oki. Take your time :)
[03:30] <bluekuja> :)
[03:30] <ThunderStruck> asac, testing final ISO's already?
[03:31] <bluekuja> going to study something
[03:31] <asac> ThunderStruck: i think so ... yes
[03:31] <asac> todays isos
[03:31] <ThunderStruck> ok cool maybe thursday is possivle
[03:32] <bluekuja> ThunderStruck: going to study now, be back later
[03:32] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, k
[03:32] <bluekuja> ;)
[03:47] <ThunderStruck> hmmm
[03:53] <asac> anybody volunteers to install dapper for testing and then doing the mozilla.qa.stgraber.org tests?
[03:53] <asac> ThunderStruck: can you please blog about that?
[03:53] <asac> damn :)
[03:54] <ThunderStruck> anserv.py
[03:54] <ThunderStruck> fucj xchat
[03:58] <asac> ThunderStruck: read topic
[03:59] <asac> can you blog about the mozilla qa site ?
[03:59] <ThunderStruck> when im back on ubuntu i will
[03:59] <asac> are you on windows?
[03:59] <asac> shame
[03:59] <ThunderStruck> im waiting on a phone call for windows help from a freind
[03:59] <ThunderStruck> yep
[04:00] <asac> shame + pain :)
[04:00] <ThunderStruck> yep but shouldnt be long
[04:00] <ThunderStruck> atleast it better not be
[04:00] <ThunderStruck> brb reinstalling xchat to  see if it will load python
[04:06] <ThunderStruck> i think it was built without python support
[04:06] <ThunderStruck> that sucks
[04:12] <ThunderStruck> hot damn it worked
[04:13] <ThunderStruck> :)
[04:22] <asac> hehe
[04:23] <ThunderStruck> lomaf @ blinking nm-applet
[04:25] <ThunderStruck> lmao even
[04:37] <asac> blinking?
[04:37] <asac> i hate my bugmail backlog ... 1300 for firefox
[04:48] <ThunderStruck> asac, yes someone said thiers was
[04:49] <asac> what?
[04:52] <ThunderStruck> someone in #ubuntu+1 said thier nm-applet was blinking
[04:57] <asac> doesn't sound too scary ;)
[04:58] <ThunderStruck> not really but i found it funny blinking (maybe connection is unstable?
[05:06] <bluekuja> back
[05:25] <asac> gnomefreak: we need to add ubufox to the mozilla-bugs mailing list as well i guess
[05:33] <gnomefreak> ok ill check on it
[05:34] <gnomefreak> asac: already was
[05:35] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+subscribe
[05:37] <gnomefreak> added nss and nspr to homepage
[05:37] <gnomefreak> 3.11 and 4.6
[05:38] <gnomefreak> added nss nspr to bugmail for mozilla-bugs as well
[05:39] <gnomefreak> reset ubufox to make sure
[06:01] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: talked with steve?
[06:02] <bluekuja> did he said it's possible to have it fixed?
[06:02] <bluekuja> *say
[06:02] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: i got the teams stright for most part for time being i will add you sometime today
[06:02] <gnomefreak> the ML i have to figure out
[06:03] <bluekuja> need to send a mail to rc?
[06:03] <bluekuja> or already done?
[06:06] <gnomefreak> i might be ok for ml i have to play with it
[06:06] <gnomefreak> right now im waiting for a boarder line legal topic turn to illegal topic
[06:07] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: ah, so you get assigned to owner on ML
[06:07] <bluekuja> should be ok then
[06:21] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: may not have to but will find out
[06:21] <bluekuja> oki, let me know
[06:21] <bluekuja> ;)
[06:23] <gnomefreak> will do
[06:24] <asac> bluekuja: wanna blog about the mozilla.qa.straber QA site that now needs testers for dapper edgy feisty and gutsy ;) ?
[06:24] <asac> read topic
[06:25] <bluekuja> asac: what do you mean with "blog"?
[06:26] <bluekuja> asac: want me to add an article for the fridge?
[06:26] <gnomefreak> asac: are these firefox versions?
[06:27] <asac> bluekuja: no ... call for help in testing these beta packages
[06:27] <gnomefreak> asac: it would help if the builds were there
[06:27] <asac> bluekuja: you can use the site in the same was as the iso testing site
[06:28] <gnomefreak> We are sorry but the build you requested isn't available for download (or the website don't know how to get it).
[06:28] <gnomefreak> In most case that means that the download link has been put as notice on the main page.
[06:28] <asac> you just click on the produce you want to test and confirm that it works
[06:28] <bluekuja> asac: writing an article is a way to call for users
[06:28] <asac> bluekuja: whatever is suitable to get the masses test that dapper package :)
[06:28] <gnomefreak> problem is they are not ther eto test
[06:28] <asac> bluekuja: please take a look and see if all is clear
[06:29] <asac> bluekuja: e.g. how to use that tracker et al
[06:29] <bluekuja> asac: ok. First an user have to register
[06:29] <asac> bluekuja: if there is more info needed i can add that to the notice area
[06:29] <bluekuja> then test and approve if ok?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> the tracker works the packages just are not there
[06:29] <asac> bluekuja: yes ... unless you have an account for iso testing already
[06:29] <bluekuja> asac: I guess adding a small howto for it would be nice
[06:29] <asac> bluekuja: yes if you click on the build you will see the testcases you can work on and verify
[06:29] <bluekuja> users are not very familiar with it
[06:30] <asac> if its fine you say so ... and we will see that someone ackknowledges that it works for it
[06:30] <gnomefreak> https://mozilla.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/info/1042
[06:30] <asac> bluekuja: i asked stgraber about if there is a short howto for the tracker
[06:31] <bluekuja> asac: perfect, every istruction is appreciated so I can write a full article
[06:31] <bluekuja> everything should be clear
[06:31] <asac> bluekuja: sure ... we need to get these packages tested till thu ;)
[06:31] <bluekuja> asac: so two days?
[06:31] <bluekuja> mmm...
[06:31] <asac> bluekuja: well they are out there for a day already ... its important to get more testers on every release
[06:32] <asac> if we get a few this time it would be all fine
[06:32] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:32] <asac> this update is not a high-risk one imo ... but next one probably will
[06:32] <gnomefreak> hmmm has to be done through repo i guess
[06:32] <asac> especially dapper users are NEEDED
[06:32] <bluekuja> asac: that's harder
[06:32] <asac> gnomefreak: thats a left over from iso testing
[06:32] <gnomefreak> dapper chroot ok?
[06:32] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[06:32] <asac> gnomefreak: yes ... thats ok as well
[06:32] <gnomefreak> k
[06:32] <asac> at best if you are a regular user
[06:32] <asac> but chroot or virtual box install is fine
[06:33] <bluekuja> asac: I finish writing something and then I try to catch up on it
[06:33] <bluekuja> let me know about istructions et all
[06:33] <asac> bluekuja: a call to setup a dapper chroot might be worth itt
[06:33] <asac> bluekuja: yes
[06:33] <asac> thanks ... waiting for reply by the author
[06:33] <bluekuja> asac: then I move to write the article
[06:34] <gnomefreak> ok testing gutsy atm
[06:34] <asac> bluekuja: thanks ... it doesn't need to be poetry ... just get the news out to as many people as possible
[06:34] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm repo isnt working?
[06:34] <asac> lots of people usually don't know how to contribute ... this is their chance ;) ... its just a few minutes and helps a lot to raise the quality of stable ubuntu releases
[06:34] <asac> gnomefreak: which one?
[06:34] <gnomefreak> gutys
[06:34] <bluekuja> asac: true :)
[06:34] <gnomefreak> gutsy
[06:35] <asac> gnomefreak: gutsy doesn't have a package yet
[06:35] <asac> only dapper/feisty/edgy for this release
[06:35] <gnomefreak> ok
[06:36] <gnomefreak> ok starting with dapper
[06:36] <asac> i just finished the first 350 bugmails for mt in my mailbox :)
[06:38] <gnomefreak> well on dapper it wont upgrade firefox
[06:38] <gnomefreak> ooops
[06:38] <gnomefreak> ok what is this https://mozilla.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/result/1042/210 for
[06:39] <gnomefreak> ah ok i guess i go to each section instead of the listing page
[06:40] <asac> gnomefreak: that should be a link
[06:41] <asac> e.g. the testplan
[06:47] <gnomefreak> not bad so far test 1 passed just one thing missing but not a showstopper
[06:47] <gnomefreak> left comment
[06:56] <gnomefreak> in the 3rd link one for testplan from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/QA is that where you want the test case that i used?
[06:57] <gnomefreak> damn
[06:57] <gnomefreak> https://mozilla.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/result/1042/210  even
[07:01] <asac> bluekuja: ok we don't have up to date docs ... its pretty simple: 1. get an account 2. click on the distribution you want to test (dapper/edgy/firefox) and fill out the form after you did the tests
[07:01] <asac> after adding the lines to source.list you need to apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:01] <asac> or run synaptic or whatever
[07:01] <bluekuja> asac: perfect
[07:01] <bluekuja> I finish writing a policy
[07:02] <gnomefreak> asac: thats not what i meant
[07:02] <asac> thanks
[07:02] <bluekuja> for the italian repository
[07:02] <gnomefreak> i had a account
[07:02] <bluekuja> and I move to that
[07:02] <bluekuja> then I ping you when done
[07:02] <bluekuja> so you can check every detail
[07:02] <bluekuja> then I move it to the fridge
[07:02] <bluekuja> asac: k=
[07:02] <bluekuja> ?
[07:02] <asac> bluekuja: i will be to sport soon ... as you know :)
[07:02] <gnomefreak> if you look at https://mozilla.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/test/1042 the 3rd link what test it that for
[07:02] <bluekuja> damn
[07:02] <asac> gnomefreak: yes thats the test case you should do
[07:02] <bluekuja> asac: when you'll be back?
[07:02] <gnomefreak> k
[07:03] <asac> the first two tests are just "normal" use ... the third lists specific tasks that would catch issues we had in the past
[07:03] <asac> bluekuja: probably late.
[07:03] <bluekuja> darn
[07:03] <asac> bluekuja: what info do you need?
[07:03] <bluekuja> asac: I just need you to give a last check
[07:04] <bluekuja> to final text
[07:04] <asac> bluekuja: i trust you :) ... its more like communicating that the site exists and that they can get to #ubuntu-mozillateam or #ubuntu-testing if they need guidance
[07:04] <bluekuja> fine
[07:05] <asac> bluekuja: if you want to give initial guidance give the 3 points i mentioned above to get started
[07:05] <bluekuja> ok
[07:05] <asac> bluekuja: maybe try it yourself :) ... you can create an account and can click through ... you don't need to submit if you don't want to submit a not-done test :)
[08:17] (gnomefreak/#ubuntu-mozillateam) buttons: /whois gnomefreak
[08:18] (gnomefreak/#ubuntu-mozillateam) buttons: you should see all channels
[08:18] (buttons/#ubuntu-mozillateam) i do
[08:18] (gnomefreak/#ubuntu-mozillateam) yay it works :)
[08:18] (bluekuja/#ubuntu-mozillateam) gnomefreak: done
[08:18] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: I paste it for you
[08:19] <gnomefreak> where?
[08:19] <bluekuja> pastebin
[08:19] <gnomefreak> can i have the link?
[08:19] <bluekuja> darn
[08:21] <gnomefreak> ok gone for a while.
[08:22] <gnomefreak> be back later when my troll starts his shit
[08:22] <bluekuja> lol
[08:22] <bluekuja> ok
[08:26] <Ubulette> asac ?
[08:26] <Ubulette> about bug 151400
[08:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151400 in xulrunner-1.9 "xpcshell missing" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151400
[08:26] <Ubulette> xpcshell is explicitly excluded
[08:26] <Ubulette> http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/xulrunner/installer/Makefile.in#47
[08:51] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 289494
[08:51] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 289494 in XULRunner "Make xulrunner work with toolkit packager" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289494
[10:27] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[10:27] <bluekuja> check latest story
[10:27] <bluekuja> going to have a bath
[10:53] <asac> Ubulette: the forum guy has a messed up install ... probably not using pristine ubuntu packages -> /usr/local/bin...
[10:54] <asac> Ubulette: what do you want me to fix before 2008?
[10:54] <asac> bluekuja: that looks great ... lets see what response we get
[10:54] <Ubulette> just that but maybe it's already in
[10:55] <asac> Ubulette: upstream products still have those issues i guess
[10:55] <asac> i reminded them multiple times ... i will try again the next time i get reminded that this bug still exists :)
[10:56] <Ubulette> by 2008, I meant <IP_ADDRESS> ;)
[10:56] <asac> ah :) ... well we have that fix
[10:56] <asac> i am not even sure that his issue is the recursuve link issue
[10:56] <Ubulette> it looked similar to me
[10:56] <asac> for me it looks like he has messed up something else
[10:57] <Ubulette> maybe
[10:57] <Ubulette> so, what do you think about bug 151400
[10:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151400 in xulrunner-1.9 "xpcshell missing" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151400
[10:57] <asac> Ubulette: do you know chpe?
[10:58] <Ubulette> no
[10:58] <asac> Ubulette: he is the (nowadays main) epiphany/gecko developer ... i asked him to test our xulrunner package and report issues he has
[10:58] <Ubulette> oh
[10:58] <asac> i am not sure what use-case he has for xpcshell ... however i think it should be shipped somewhere
[10:59] <asac> i would guess it should be in xulrunner-1.9-dev ... unless we want to add a new package called xulrunner-1.9-tools
[11:00] <asac> anyway, all this with a grain of salt, because i don't know why xpcshell is not installed in xulrunner anymore
[11:00] <asac> maybe its a bug and ment to go to the sdk hierarchy
[11:00] <asac> but maybe its intentional
 xpcshell is explicitly excluded
 http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/xulrunner/installer/Makefile.in#47
[11:00] <Ubulette> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289494#c2
[11:00] <asac> yes i saw that ... its explicitly exlcuded in the installer code
[11:00] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 289494 in XULRunner "Make xulrunner work with toolkit packager" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[11:01] <asac> however it probably wasn't excluded in install: target
[11:01] <asac> so maybe it has just been forgotten upstream
[11:01] <asac> huh?
[11:01] <asac> mozilla bug 289494
[11:01] <asac> is ubotu dead?
[11:01] <Ubulette> read comment 2
[11:04] <asac> asked bsmedberg ... lets see what he replies
[11:07] <bluekuja> asac: back
[11:07] <bluekuja> :)
[11:07] <bluekuja> did you like it?
[11:08] <asac> yeah ;)
[11:08] <asac> you should be marketing head of the MT :)
[11:09] <bluekuja> lol
[11:09] <bluekuja> :D
[11:09] <bluekuja> asac: did you see my interview?
[11:09] <asac> not yet :)
[11:09] <Ubulette> i did
[11:09] <asac> Ubulette: ok does it work?
[11:09] <bluekuja> Ubulette: does it look good? :)
[11:09] <asac> e.g. just removing it from NO_PKG_FILES ?
[11:09] <Ubulette> bluekuja, nice :)
[11:10] <bluekuja> asac: you can see it on http://planet.ubuntu.com or http://behindmotu.wordpress.com
[11:10] <bluekuja> Ubulette: thanks :)
[11:10] <Ubulette> asac, well, haven't tried but it should
[11:10] <asac> Ubulette: ok he wants the patch ... and thinks it should go to the _runtime_ package
[11:10] <asac> (not -dev)
[11:11] <Ubulette> ok, I'll do it then
[11:11] <asac> Ubulette: maybe drop a line and tell chpe about the ppa ... as we will only update xulrunner on new alpha/beta releases in gutsy
[11:12] <asac> (once it works)
[11:13] <Ubulette> well, i've used my ppa for a while as you wanted to keep mt one close to a8
[11:13] <Ubulette> my ppa has the new nss
[11:14] <asac> Ubulette: well ... i am not sure ... i would prefer if ppa doesn't drift too far away from the packaging point of view from what we have in gutsy
[11:14] <asac> (i think)
[11:14] <asac> Ubulette: what packaging things are changed on .dev branch since release?
[11:14] <Ubulette> just read bzr logs ;)
[11:15] <Ubulette> i've pushed everything
[11:15] <asac> Ubulette: i read bzr logs ... but i don't remember every tiny detail
[11:15] <asac> but let me look
[11:16] <Ubulette> nss.head and xul.dev should be enough
[11:16] <asac> hmm ... you didn't merge revision 50 ;)
[11:16] <Ubulette> ?
[11:17] <asac> do you have the uploaded  1.9~a8-0ubuntu2 changelog in your history?
[11:17] <asac> thats what i closed in revision 50 on the xulrunner-1.9 branch
[11:17] <asac> oh wait :)
[11:17] <asac> confusion
[11:19] <Ubulette> you committed a9, I merged it in 49 with the rest and fixed it in 50
[11:20] <Ubulette> forum users are complaining about java not working in a8
[11:20] <asac> oh ... maybe say in the commit comment that its a MERGE
[11:20] <asac> launchpad web interface isn't that great
[11:20] <asac> oh that was me?
[11:20] <asac> 49 is a merge?
[11:21] <bluekuja> going to sleep
[11:21] <bluekuja> take care everyone
[11:21] <bluekuja> :)
[11:21] <asac> u2
[11:21] <Ubulette> hmm, no. I think it's yours
[11:22] <asac> Ubulette: ok 47 was the merge
[11:22] <asac> ok fine now let me look :)
[11:25] <asac> hmmm ... why do we strip the tests out of xul orig tarballs? i think they should be shipped. e.g. xulrunner as upstream declares MINUS files that are bad/non-free/binary ... firefox is different in that it somehow has to be tackled upstream at some point.
[11:26] <Ubulette> more than half the tests are either non linux or binaries
[11:26] <asac> what kind of binaries?
[11:26] <Ubulette> so the easiest way what to drop everything, especially as we don't build them (--disable-tests)
[11:27] <asac> anyway ... stripping sources for non linux is not nice ... we should strip tarballs as close to what upstream would ship.
[11:27] <asac> s/strip/ship/
[11:27] <Ubulette> and it makes the tarball 30% smaller
[11:27] <Ubulette> it's cvs, they don't ship it
[11:28] <Ubulette> you can keep the full stuff for releases if you want
[11:28] <asac> Ubulette: but they will ... its their intend to include tests ... same for firefox
[11:29] <asac> ok ... we can do that
[11:29] <asac> at least for now ... or until someone complains :)
[11:30] <Ubulette> yep
[11:31] <asac> i would like the patch to go away then at some point :)
[11:31] <Ubulette> which one ?
[11:31] <Ubulette> plenty should go upstream
[11:31] <asac> the ifdef ENABLE_TEST patch
[11:32] <Ubulette> that should go upstream
[11:32] <asac> yes
[11:35] <Ubulette> http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2007-10-16/sharing-mercurial-queues-to-develop-xpcomgc/
[11:35] <asac> ok we have:
[11:35] <asac>   bz384304
[11:35] <asac>  -> is send upstream
[11:35] <asac>    bz386610 -> send as well (python) the above is symlink
[11:36] <asac> so all bz are on track i guess
[11:36] <asac> what about  dont_install_so_in_dev.patch
[11:36] <asac> is that a hack?
[11:37] <Ubulette> i'd say a fix
[11:37] <asac> suitable for windows et al?
[11:37] <Ubulette> otherwise you end up with duplicates
[11:37] <asac> (well doesn't look like this whole code is suitable for that)
[11:38] <asac> question is if upstream wants to ship sdk alone at some point
[11:38] <asac> but that is already impossible because of the lines below, right?
[11:38] <Ubulette> i've just exluded .so for the tar and made 2 symlinks instead
[11:38] <Ubulette> yep, ln -s is everywhere
[11:39] <asac> ok so this should go upstream
[11:39] <asac>  install_pkgconfig_files_with_version.patch .. hmm
[11:39] <Ubulette> that's ours
[11:40] <Ubulette> otherwise, we'll have to do alternatives
[11:40] <asac> Ubulette: or maybe just "conflicts" of the -dev packages
[11:41] <asac> i have no idea if upstream wants to shift to readable extension ids
[11:41] <asac> i think its sane given you can have your own namespace using a @domain
[11:41] <asac> e.g. for  rename_venkman_addon.patch
[11:41] <asac> so we should suggest that as well i guess
[11:42] <asac> for installer_use_stdout_for_missing_files.patch i am not sure as well ... maybe they think its good to identify a build failure by counting lines of stderr ;(
[11:42] <asac> what other benefit might this have?
[11:43] <Ubulette> in logs, it proved useful to me
[11:43] <Ubulette> build logs
[11:43] <asac> what is useful for you? to split error messages to stderr ... or to log all on stdout?
[11:44] <Ubulette> installer_use_stdout_for_missing_files.patch
[11:44] <asac> yes ... i see its useful
[11:44] <asac> i just want to figure if it might be bad as well :) ... thinking about a valid use case to log errors to stderr
[11:44] <asac> but i think there is none that makes sense
[11:45] <asac> so  we should send it up as well
[11:46] <Ubulette> feel free :)
[12:01] <Ubulette> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=577818
[12:07] <asac> i hate these kind of bugs
[12:08] <Ubulette> if you open mozbugs, give me the number so I can rename our patches in .dev
[12:08] <asac> i will do that in same turn i guess
[12:09] <Ubulette> i(ve made the xpcshell patch, building
[12:09] <asac> great
[12:09] <asac> i have the feeling that <IP_ADDRESS> will be released tomorrow ... without advisories
[12:10] <asac> i think this will shorten my live by yet another 6 month
[12:10] <Ubulette> ?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> asac: bluekuja post to planet was sent
[12:11] <gnomefreak> atleast to my blog but planet should have it soon
[12:12] <asac> Ubulette: we (distributors) need some ahead time ... and need advisories to document and QA our builds
[12:12] <asac> sometimes they just release ... even without announcement
[12:12] <asac> sometimes they do it well
[12:12] <asac> sometimes they just release without advisories ;)
[12:13] <asac> its the mix that makes this painful :)
[12:13] <asac> you hope ... hope more ... then fall down ;)
[12:13] <Ubulette> well, i was aware of 2008 and 2007 even without notices
[12:14] <asac> being aware and knowing what goes in is not the same ;)
[12:15] <Ubulette> i haven't look deeper as i'm not interested by ff2
[12:15] <asac> Ubulette: then try to do the same: track security issues on ffox 3 branch :)
[12:16] <asac> you read every commit anyway :) ... so it shouldn't be that hard ;)
[12:16] <Ubulette> hopefully, as it's trunk, it should be fixed there 1st or immediately after
[12:17] <asac> yeah ... hopefully
[01:13] <Ubulette> ok, by default, it goes into /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a9pre/xpcshell
[01:14] <Ubulette> if I link it in /usr/bin, we need an alternative
[01:15] <asac> does xul 1.8 ship that in usr/bin?


[02:54] <arianikolai> yo
[04:39] <webuser291> Hey, I need some help with a new Ubuntu MATE install. Everything was working fine until I apt upgrade'd and rebooted. Now I am stuck at the graphical Ubuntu MATE login screen and the keyboard appears to not work and the mouse does not seem to interact with the gui at all. Does anyone know how I can fix this?
[04:48] <m4t> webuser291: not sure. but you can hit ctrl+alt+f1 to goto a terminal to login and poke around from there
[04:49] <m4t> if that's not working, then you would want to interrupt grub and boot into single/rescue mode
[05:00] <webuser291> thanks for the tips, I'll see what I can do
[08:01] <risto_> Heips !
[08:05] <alkisg> Hi there
[08:05] <risto_> Greets from Finland
[08:05] <risto_> Did England won ,,,in football ?
[08:06] <risto_> Alkisg: I have a small  prob with my  Raspberry pi 3
[08:06] <risto_> i hop you can help
[08:06] <alkisg> risto_: nice, ask in the channel and see if someone knows and is available to answer
[08:07] <risto_> first time here....what channel for FAQ's ???
[08:08] <alkisg> In IRC, you ask, then wait, then people might look in their IRC clients and see the question, and if they know the answer they might help
[08:09] <alkisg> So usually you just come here, ask, and wait for half an hour or so, and check if anyone answered
[08:09] <risto_> ok...Thanks
[08:10] <risto_> My Ubuntu mate 16  probelem is like this:   My Raspberry pi 3  + Ubuntu Mate 16.04   cab'r
[08:10] <risto_> addjust monitor settings
[08:11] <risto_> Reason:  Unknown displays.....both Acer LCD and Plasma TV
[08:13] <risto_> Mate is using now  1824x984 with comment unknown monitor....i can't addjust resolutions
[08:27] <alkisg> AFAIK in raspberries you adjust the resoultion from config.txt, because they have weird graphics cards and drivers
[08:27] <alkisg> I.e. they don't yet support the xrandr protocol
[08:27] <alkisg> So if you're looking for 1920x1080, you would disable "overscan" there
[08:27] <alkisg> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt/
[15:59] <mate|81152> Hello
[16:01] <diogenes_> hi
[16:02] <mate|81152> Could some help me please. I tried find a solution on the internet, but couldn't. My thinkpad L420 overheats and poweroff and I'll use for thinks such as updating, installing new programs and even watching stream.
[16:03] <mate|81152> I had it cleaned it, the the problems persist.
[16:04] <mate|81152> I installed the mate 18.04
[16:04] <diogenes_> use sensors to observe the heat
[16:15] <mate|81152> how can i prevent it from overheating?
[16:16] <diogenes_> mate|81152, open this link: http://dpaste.com/1V0E9TP
[16:17] <diogenes_> copy the command to the terminal and hit enter
[16:17] <diogenes_> tell me when done
[16:20] <mate|81152> ok, I can see the temp now
[16:26] <sixwheeledbeast> mate has a sensors applet too
[16:29] <mate|81152> ok, I can see the temp now. 60C idling. By installing a new program, it jumped to 81C. Critical would be 85C and then automatic poweroff.
[16:30] <mate|81152> but how can i prevent it from reaching such a high temp.
[16:31] <diogenes_> mate|81152, most probably by replacing the thermal paste
[16:31] <diogenes_> or even better, liquid metal
[16:32] <mate|81152> I did that last week. Or at least that's what I paid someone to do.
[16:33] <diogenes_> hehe, what country you from?
[16:33] <mate|81152> germany
[16:33] <diogenes_> oh, they should do german quality repairs
[16:34] <diogenes_> i'd advice you to go back to that service center and tell them to troubleshoot the machine better
[16:34] <mate|81152> that's what one would expect. :)
[16:34] <mate|81152> ok thanks.
[16:35] <diogenes_> no problem, i hope you fix this issue because overheating is a real pc killer.
[16:49] <sixwheeledbeast> how loaded is the cpu when you are having issues?
[17:00] <mate|81152> haven't checked that. I just hear the fan going full blast
[17:01] <diogenes_> mate|81152, also what is the surface that you place your laptop on?
[17:01] <mate|81152> on top of the desk
[17:07] <sixwheeledbeast> top in a terminal will show cpu and load average etc
[22:13] <NiteCoder> Do .run files hurt ubuntu mate? I have been trying to install a qt file but there is a error message saying it's posibly harmful


[12:26] <darkmatter> andreasn: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=535808713&context=set-72157594488098254&size=o :)
[12:26] <darkmatter> final direction has been chosen
[12:48] <darkmatter> mornin' klepas :)
[12:48] <darkmatter> the final work on glory/ozone has begun :D
[12:48] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=535808713&context=set-72157594488098254&size=o


[04:42] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone
[05:41] <mazal> Mornings
[05:41] <anton_may> mornings
[05:45] <magespawn> good morning
[05:54] <paddatrapper> morning mazal magespawn anton_may
[06:04] <kulelu88> you okes are awake early
[06:07] <pavlushka-> Who, me?
[06:08] <pavlushka-> No, I am sleeping right now!
[06:09] <kulelu88> paddatrapper: what you studying?
[06:13] <superfly> o/
[06:15] <pavlushka-> o/
[06:23] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:35] <paddatrapper> kulelu88: BSc Computer Science and Computer Engineering
[06:35] <kulelu88> ooohhh fancy. at UCT?
[06:36] <inetpro> good mornins
[06:37] <paddatrapper> kulelu88: yup. Would like to do Applied maths and Computer Engineering, but have to do Comp Sci with Comp Eng
[06:38] <kulelu88> I think gremble does Applied Math
[06:38] <paddatrapper> As far as I remember, yeah
[06:39] <kulelu88> did the fees fall yet? and rhodes? paddatrapper
[06:39] <paddatrapper> Lol. No more Rhodes statue and no fee increase this year, but still an interesting time to be here!
[06:40] <superfly> paddatrapper: what year are you?
[06:40] <kulelu88> ironically, fees didn't fall, unless the economics students explain how an inflation-increased fee didn't happen, so it did kind of fall
[06:41] <paddatrapper> superfly: first. Took a gap year
[06:42] <anton_may> Dam wouldn't mind getting this as a "home" PC - http://mybroadband.co.za/news/hardware/164520-the-insane-pc-which-costs-r700000.html
[06:42] <paddatrapper> kulelu88: which is exactly why there are still people complaining
[06:42] <superfly> paddatrapper: you need to go to #breaktherules and come and intern with us
[06:42] <kulelu88> wow, you must be around 21 or less paddatrapper  . you're the youngest here
[06:43] <chesedo> morning paddatrapper anton_may magespawn kulelu88 superfly thatgraemeguy and others
[06:43] <anton_may> 0/
[06:43] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo
[06:43] <superfly> sup chesedo
[06:43] <paddatrapper> superfly: I was pretty sad I couldn't make the winter one, definitely plan to do summer at the end of the year
[06:43] <paddatrapper> Morning chesedo
[06:44] <paddatrapper> kulelu88: seems so, I'm 20
[06:44] <chesedo> kulelu88: blazehen is under 20 afaik
[06:44] <superfly> paddatrapper: look out for Nomanini
[06:44] <kulelu88> paddatrapper: what language do they introduce you to programming in?
[06:45] <chesedo> not much, just cold and self superfly?
[06:46] <paddatrapper> kulelu88: they start with python, then next semester move to Java. I'm fluent in both, so I do other things in lectures
[06:47] <superfly> chesedo: not too cold this side
[06:47] <kulelu88> python to java, sounds fun
[06:47] <kulelu88> who likes jquery? :D can someone fix my JSFiddle? https://jsfiddle.net/7x9x2cvd/
[06:48] <chesedo> paddatrapper: is java part of CS or CE?
[06:49] <superfly> kulelu88: have you tried looking in your dev console?
[06:49] <kulelu88> superfly: the problem with the fiddle is that it does not render. the code itself works. I'm trying to get a working example
[06:50] <paddatrapper> chesedo: CS, but required for CE
[06:50]  * Cryterion looks, and goes back to his c/c++
[06:50] <kulelu88> makes you want to scratch your eyeballs? Cryterion ;)
[06:51] <Cryterion> the java and python does ;)
[06:52] <superfly> kulelu88: did you press the play button?
[06:55] <superfly> welcome backe unlaudable
[06:55] <superfly> gah -e
[06:55] <kulelu88> repeatedly :D
[06:55] <paddatrapper> Cryterion: I agree with you. Much prefer c/c++
[06:56] <superfly> kulelu88: I fixed a bunch of things last night, got it mostly working
[06:56] <kulelu88> link? superfly
[06:56] <superfly> kulelu88: firstly, your external scripts were http, and jsfiddle is https, so Firefox refused to load them
[06:56] <superfly> kulelu88: was yours
[06:57] <superfly> but it didn't seem to save
[06:57] <kulelu88> i think that's the main gripe. I need to https these scripts
[06:59] <superfly> kulelu88: try this? https://jsfiddle.net/7x9x2cvd/2/
[07:00] <superfly> kulelu88: the two issues I encounter are "$editable.inlineEdit is not a function" and "$.publish is not a function"
[07:00] <unlaudable> o/
[07:00] <superfly> which usually means that those two scripts didn't load properly
[07:01] <superfly> kulelu88: ah, I'm getting an "insecure response" when Chrome tries to load inlineedit and pubsub
[07:01] <kulelu88> yeah, I sourced those 2 from the guys blog
[07:01] <kulelu88> finding alternatives for them
[07:03] <kulelu88> inlineedit: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/caphun/jquery.inlineedit/master/jquery.inlineedit.js
[07:05] <kulelu88> pubsub: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/loonies/3872697/raw/84b44d14429b219856b14050816e131b9cecc725/pubsub.js
[07:09] <kulelu88> superfly: full working example: https://jsfiddle.net/7x9x2cvd/3/
[07:11] <superfly> not working in chrome for me
[07:11] <superfly> js is being returned as text/plain
[07:21] <kulelu88> superfly: try opening the link in firefox
[07:28] <kulelu88> superfly: flush your cache, that may be the issue
[07:34] <chesedo> kulelu88: your last one combined with what superfly suggested last night - https://jsfiddle.net/1r5c3oeu/6/
[07:35] <kulelu88> that's some nice code chesedo :X
[07:36] <chesedo> kulelu88: it's fly's
[07:37] <kulelu88> chesedo: my goal is to render each item to look like this: http://www.w3schools.com/jquerymobile/tryit.asp?filename=tryjqmob_lists_split
[07:37] <kulelu88> so the 'x' button goes to the right, split by the block, whilst the content stays on the left
[07:38] <kulelu88> and that is where I was stuck all this time
[07:40] <chesedo> kulelu88: i do not know jquery mobile - will check quickly... have you read this though - https://api.jquerymobile.com/listview/
[07:41] <kulelu88> chesedo: yeah, I've been using w3schools all this time to make it work. some guy in #jquery said I musn't abuse <a> like that
[07:42] <Kilos> evening everyone
[07:42] <mazal> More oom
[07:42] <Kilos> dag seun
[08:00] <chesedo> kulelu88: https://jsfiddle.net/1r5c3oeu/7/ - but the code that causes the 'remove' to hide interferce a bit
[08:01] <chesedo> naand oom Kilos, gaanit?
[08:01] <Kilos> lol hi chesedo ok dsnkie en self
[08:01] <chesedo> paddatrapper: hi, sorry for no reply... day was great ty
[08:03] <chesedo> goed dankie... het eergister n punte skok gekry met rekenaar wat ons vraestelle verkeerd gemerk het... toe het ek net 33%
[08:03] <chesedo> ... met n jaar punt van 9% :P
[08:04] <chesedo> Kilos: ^^
[08:04] <Kilos> eish
[08:04] <Kilos> het jy dit reg gemaak
[08:05] <chesedo> dit was UNISA se rekenaar wat die verkeerde antwoorde gevoer is (opsie een vir al 60 vrae)... studente het toe vinnig gevra wat aan gaan
[08:06] <Kilos> sjoe dis n groot skok ne
[08:06] <Kilos> hoor nou net wereld banke gehack
[08:07] <chesedo> ja een was reeds baie bly wat het net voor dit my beste punt ooit vir n besigheids module gekry
[08:08] <chesedo> klink of ons popcorn moet spring...
[08:08] <kulelu88> what was the subject? chesedo
[08:09] <chesedo> kulelu88: for the bad mark, C++ programming
[08:09] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:09] <chesedo> mcq
[08:09] <kulelu88> 10-35% should be average for C++ programming ;)
[08:10] <chesedo> all students would have got somewhere around 25% (choices was out of 4)
[08:11] <kulelu88> what should be your actual mark? chesedo
[08:12] <chesedo> after the remark it's 89%
[08:12] <kulelu88> hahahaha. you must have felt hollow inside seeing 9%
[08:13] <chesedo> yip, felt very 'blankish'... went to look what was wrong immediatly
[08:15] <Kilos> bad shocker that
[08:15] <chesedo> kulelu88: for the hide behaviour you can remove lines 66-75 unless if you want to do something else
[08:16] <chesedo> ... just fading the remove link alone causes white spacing
[08:20] <kulelu88> chesedo: i think there was some issue with your code, cause as soon as I scroll over an item, it deletes it
[08:21] <chesedo> kulelu88: lol, yeah... a lot of your selector are very generic... give a bit of time...
[08:29] <kulelu88> chesedo: some guy in jqeury has helped me get to this: https://jsfiddle.net/7camhnjt/12/
[08:30] <chesedo> kulelu88: https://jsfiddle.net/1r5c3oeu/8/ - removed the fade on hover, corrected the delete, and refactor the 'li' creation
[08:31] <kulelu88> you're my hero chesedo :x
[08:32] <kulelu88> remind me to buy you food/drink some day
[08:33] <chesedo> lol yw kulelu88
[08:33] <kulelu88> I never knew javascript could be this complicated
[08:33] <kulelu88> and this is just the first step hahaha
[08:34]  * chesedo goes to snacking and back to studies
[08:35] <chesedo> kulelu88: one learns out of complications... will write in a break why i did some stuff for you to learn from
[08:52] <kulelu88> chesedo: what jquery reference are you using? apparently the w3schools reference is shit, so if I could find something more reliable, I will use that
[08:59] <Cryterion> Anyone know much anout Ubuntu-MATE?
[08:59] <theblazehen> kulelu88: I dunno if they have jquery stuff, but check out mozilla developer network. I hear it's better
[09:00] <kulelu88> theblazehen: I hear you still a laaitie :P
[09:00] <theblazehen> kulelu88: well, 19 now so..
[09:00] <kulelu88> yooooooooh
[09:00] <theblazehen> time flies
[09:01] <kulelu88> that's the youngest and oldest is 78
[09:01] <theblazehen> Oh really? heh
[09:01] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[09:01] <theblazehen> hi kulelu88
[09:01] <theblazehen> Kilos: *
[09:01] <Cryterion> heya Kilos
[09:01] <theblazehen> hi Cryterion
[09:01] <Kilos> lol @kulelu88
[09:01] <kulelu88> what you study? theblazehen
[09:01] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Doing an internship now, but also have a proper job as a linux admin
[09:02] <kulelu88> oom Kilos is busy writing a compiler in his spare time
[09:02] <kulelu88> regular admin or devopsy? theblazehen
[09:02] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Devopsy at internship, more regular at other job, but I'm slowly getting us into using proper config management, wanting to run more stuff in containers etc
[09:03] <theblazehen> I don't like docker though :(
[09:03] <theblazehen> Prefer lxc
[09:03] <theblazehen> Os vs process containers
[09:03] <kulelu88> same pathway/experience I had theblazehen . ended up with LXC
[09:03] <kulelu88> oh wait a second, you work with andrewLSD right?
[09:04] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Nice :) Wish I still had my virtualization box at home.. lxc + saltstack ftw
[09:04] <theblazehen> Yeah :)
[09:04] <theblazehen> What I learnt: Don't buy seagate drives (Well, I already knew that, but they were *really* cheap), and don't buy hard drives all from the same batch
[09:05] <Kilos> im trying to remember who uses mate
[09:06] <kulelu88> how do you orchestrate with Salt? I hear Ansible is a better option for using LXC on a single machine
[09:07] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Haven't actually got a chance to use it, but salt-ssh is agentless,  which should work.
[09:07] <Cryterion> Kilos normal ubuntu help might work, hows the problem http://askubuntu.com/questions/770906/qt-unified-linux-x86-2-0-3-online-run-cannot-execute-binary-file-getting-exec-f
[09:07] <Cryterion> Exactly the problem I have, same file even
[09:08] <kulelu88> Cryterion: you tried to chmod the executable?
[09:08] <Cryterion> yes, chmod 777
[09:09] <Kilos> check if the u buntu mate guys are on irc
[09:09] <kulelu88> remember to answer that question when you find the answer Cryterion
[09:10] <Cryterion> will, and there is a channel
[09:10] <mazal> *sigh* Why must Fridays always be Mondays in this place
[09:10] <Kilos> yay
[09:10] <Cryterion> lol
[09:10] <mazal> Hi Cryterion
[09:10] <Kilos> haha
[09:11] <mazal> Shees oom
[09:11] <mazal> It's months now that everything goes wrong on Fridays
[09:12] <mazal> Without me causing it I have to add
[09:12] <kulelu88> mazal: build failure?
[09:12] <mazal> kulelu88, Something of everything. Corrupt OS's , virusses , id1ot's , broken cables
[09:13]  * Cryterion hands mazal a 4pound hammer
[09:14] <kulelu88> mazal: 1 question, is there windows (especially XP) somewhere in the stack?
[09:14] <mazal> That sound like a good plan Cryterion
[09:14] <mazal> kulelu88, yeah , our whole network is Winbloze 7
[09:14] <Kilos> somewhere i saw mate dev guys
[09:17] <kulelu88> I can't feel you any sympathy then mazal .
[09:17] <kulelu88> try complaining in #windows :P (joke :D )
[09:18] <Squirm> Morning
[09:18] <thatgraemeguy> Cryterion: what's the first line of the .run file look like?
[09:18] <Squirm> Morning
[09:18] <Squirm> superfly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVjQoAf47BI
[09:19] <kulelu88> whoa even Squirm is running behind a proxy. you guys are dangerous :O
[09:19] <Squirm> Haha
[09:19] <Squirm> kulelu88: ZNC
[09:19] <Squirm> Shows me what I missed :)
[09:19] <Cryterion> thatgraemeguy, it's seems to be a processor thing, The RaspberryPi is ARM11 and not x86
[09:19] <kulelu88> your own pvt 1? Can I piggyback on it? Squirm
[09:20] <kulelu88> that makes a lot of sense Cryterion . architectural issue
[09:20] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[09:20] <thatgraemeguy> Cryterion: I ask because .run files are typically self-extracting shell scripts of some form
[09:20] <Squirm> Heya Kilos
[09:20] <Squirm> and thatgraemeguy
[09:20] <Squirm> kulelu88: I'll see what I can do, no promises though :D
[09:20] <thatgraemeguy> so perhaps its shebang is referencing a non-existent executable, that would give you the same error message
[09:21] <kulelu88> joke joke Squirm :) aren't you overpaying for Linode though?
[09:21] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy as well
[09:22] <Squirm> Probably. But I host my mail, about 5 email addresses. Not sure what else I could do for the same price
[09:22] <Squirm> + I have the benefit of having a server
[09:22] <Squirm> for when I need something
[09:23] <Squirm> If it werent for the mail, I'd have an EC2 instance
[09:23] <Cryterion> thatgraemeguy, it's binary ".ELF......." the .'s have various Hex values
[09:24] <thatgraemeguy> ah ok
[09:24] <thatgraemeguy> in that case "file filename.run" should tell you what arch it's built for
[09:26] <Cryterion> x86, but the raspberry is arm11, so looking to build that arch now
[09:27] <kulelu88> you paying $10 or $20? Squirm
[09:28] <magespawn> Kilos: is wolfeyes around?
[09:28] <Kilos> Cryterion check if there is a pi channel too
[09:29] <Kilos> hi magespawn he said he very busy since early but i can leave him a message for you
[09:29] <magespawn> i have a finger print reader i need some more info on, message here or in the real world?
[09:30] <Kilos> on pidgin
[09:31] <Kilos> lemme see if he answers
[09:31] <magespawn> it is a sagem ma 100
[09:32] <superfly> Squirm: nice!
[09:34] <Squirm> kulelu88: $10
[09:34] <Squirm> superfly: Yeah - Was there last night
[09:56] <FusionSparc> Hey guys, question : I'm in the process of setting up a file server using Ubuntu  16.04 desktop... What is the difference between sambsa shares and publics folders?
[10:00] <paddatrapper> FusionSparc: samba shares you can manage more granually and optionally provide access for Windows machines
[10:01] <kulelu88> hey chesedo . I will be back later to chat. thanks so much again.
[10:04] <Kilos> ill shout when he answers magespawn
[10:04] <Kilos> hi there superfly
[10:05] <Kilos> morning paddatrapper
[10:05] <paddatrapper> Hey Kilos
[10:06] <Kilos> when he gets a break magespawn ill get him here
[10:07] <FusionSparc> Noob questions  but thought I'd ask... Thought as much, samba seems more secure as well.
[10:09] <paddatrapper> Yeah. Pretty much if you are debating it, go Samba if you want permanent shares that can be accessed from a variety of OS's
[10:17] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[10:18] <magespawn> Kilos: not to much of a stress just looking for the software for the computer side
[10:21] <magespawn> a friend is looking to host thier pastel database online to allow remote work, any suggestions for a hosting company that could do this?
[11:29] <theblazehen> magespawn: So basically a windows remote desktop?
[11:53] <anton_may> magespawn: I would rather go to Sage One Accounting. It's an online accounting portal instead putting the pastel db online.
[12:42] <magespawn> anton_may: that is what i thought would be best, but maybe the cost is too much
[12:43] <Kilos> hi bushtech
[12:43] <magespawn> theblazehen: preferably something that would allow the pastel on the computer to remotely connect to the pastel database
[12:44] <Kilos> magespawn ian on his way i think
[12:44] <magespawn> thanks Kilos
[12:45] <bushtech> Hi Kilos, others
[12:45] <magespawn> pastel uses the pervasive database engine with postgresql i think
[12:46] <Kilos> just helping him setup konverstion
[12:52] <Kilos> he is working on a newly installed kubuntu magespawn
[12:52] <Kilos> so im not sure what all needs doing
[12:54] <magespawn> i am not sure either
[12:54] <Kilos> lol
[12:54] <Kilos> no man
[12:55] <Kilos> he needs to install konversation etc etc
[12:55] <Kilos> has done update/upgrade etc
[13:00] <Kilos> and it all happened over about a week, bit here and bit there
[13:00] <anton_may> magespawn: well you need to compare the costs of Sage vs. devils box being hacked
[13:01] <magespawn> anton_may: that was my advice too, be carefulof security
[13:01] <superfly> magespawn: our company uses Xero
[13:01] <anton_may> yip, I would rather then look at a VPN solution then
[13:02] <superfly> magespawn: Pastel doesn't use PostgreSQL
[13:02] <superfly> they do have some server solution thing, but that's probably way more than the elcheapo local version
[13:06] <gremble> Good afternoon
[13:10] <paddatrapper> 60% packet loss at every point between me and Google....
[13:10] <Kilos> ouch
[13:11] <anton_may> ouch isp?
[13:11] <paddatrapper> Telkom
[13:12] <inetpro> paddatrapper: move your desk :-)
[13:12] <paddatrapper> Though I'm getting 68% loss to my router (wifi).... Need to upgrade it
[13:13] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Got a traceroute?
[13:13] <theblazehen> Nevermind
[13:13] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: running mtr
[13:13] <theblazehen> Also, up your laptops tx power
[13:13] <theblazehen> 1 sec
[13:13] <anton_may> well if you get a +60% drop to your router it does say something
[13:14] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: how would I do that?
[13:14] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: man iwconfig
[13:14] <theblazehen> http://kmkeen.com/linux-wifi/
[13:15] <paddatrapper> Also suspect it has something to do with my wifi driver. Had the same issue under arch, but was fixed in an update that I suspect isn't in 14.04
[13:15] <theblazehen> Go back to arch ;)
[13:17] <paddatrapper> Haha. Can't set TX power, not supported
[13:18] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: What router?
[13:18] <Kilos> hey theblazehen i just got him onto kde
[13:18] <theblazehen> A netgear I hope?
[13:18] <theblazehen> Kilos: nice
[13:19] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: D-Link (because I hate life lol)
[13:19] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Oh :( You can get root on netgears
[13:20] <paddatrapper> Wired connection is much better, but still a bit shaky
[13:20] <theblazehen> Use a netgear as my wifi access point
[13:20] <theblazehen> But a proper pc for the router
[13:21] <paddatrapper> I want to run DD-WRT/Open-WRT (can't remember which is the more active one off hand) and whatever I upgrade to
[13:22] <Kilos> magespawn lost ian now again after modem died, maybe he gone working again
[13:22] <theblazehen> OpenWRT doesn't support adsl
[13:22] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: Current priority is a working home server. Then I'll work on internet facing side. I've got the wifi and network nice now (ignoring this issue), so one step at a time as I get the money
[13:22] <theblazehen> Don't think ddwrt either
[13:22] <theblazehen> and ddwrt isn't open source
[13:22] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Plans for the server? :)
[13:23] <paddatrapper> Mainly media server and NAS. DNS as well
[13:23]  * theblazehen had one with 20TB storage and 32 GB ram
[13:23]  * paddatrapper is very jealous
[13:23]  * theblazehen needs to reinstall it after the raid died
[13:24] <theblazehen> Bought 4x 5TB seagate drives in a raid 5
[13:24] <theblazehen> 2 disks failed in the first week
[13:25] <paddatrapper> The entirety of my current "NAS" is a 2TB USB segate shared from one of the PCs and no backup set up... Got no money for anything else
[13:25] <paddatrapper> ouch!
[13:25] <chesedo> Maaz tell kulelu88 Here is the (long) summary of what changed and why (and some general tips) - https://hackmd.io/s/r1_L_G7z
[13:25] <Maaz> chesedo: Got it, I'll tell kulelu88 on freenode
[13:54] <anton_may> ok peeps have a good w/e i'm out of here
[13:55] <gremble> CHeers anton_may
[13:59] <anton_may> Anonymous just tweeted - Dear #SouthAfrica we have still not forgotten #MarikanaMiners #ExpectUs #SAP was only the start #Anonymous - https://twitter.com/DomainerAnon/status/731120897474633728
[14:05] <magespawn> home time chat later
[14:47] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes
[14:53] <Wolfeyes> hey Kilos
[14:53] <Wolfeyes> good day everyone
[15:01] <Squirm> Home time
[15:01] <Squirm> Woop
[15:01] <Squirm> Hi Wolfeyes
[15:01] <Squirm> Bye Wolfeyes
[15:01] <Kilos> cheersa Squirm
[15:01] <Squirm> and Kilos
[15:01] <Kilos> fel free to visit again
[15:01] <Kilos> feel
[15:01] <Kilos> hehe
[15:01] <Squirm> Haha
[15:01] <Squirm> Yeah - I should pop by more often
[15:01] <Squirm> Just lack of time
[15:01] <Squirm> and distration
[15:02] <Kilos> yay
[15:02] <Squirm> distraction
[15:06] <kulelu88> that's an amazing write up chesedo . I can see you're already a solid software engineer with code and documentation :D
[15:06] <Wolfeyes> lol @ Squirm
[15:07] <Wolfeyes> where where where kulelu88, may I see too lol
[15:07] <kulelu88> Wolfeyes: https://hackmd.io/s/r1_L_G7z
[15:13] <kulelu88> superfly: say I have a complete alpha release of a piece of code I am happy with and I don't want to change it but keep improving the code, do I now "git" this code?
[15:14] <Wolfeyes> ty
[15:28] <chesedo> lol ty kulelu88
[15:39] <Kilos> ai!
[16:07] <paddatrapper> Well after about a week, I can say without a doubt that tlp has given me 30 minutes to an hour more battery life
[16:25] <theblazehen> kulelu88: yeag
[16:25] <theblazehen> Yeah
[16:25] <gremble> kulelu88, You gitted your code yet?
[16:27] <superfly> kulelu88: yes, put it into version control. I would start when I start writing code, not later. The sooner the better.
[16:29] <superfly> If you want to go with git, I recommend GitLab over Github.
[16:29] <superfly> It is free as in freedom as well as free as in beer.
[16:30] <superfly> You can also look at Bitbucket for both git and Mercurial
[16:31] <superfly> (they've been around longer than Github and I trust them more)
[16:36] <kulelu88> superfly: this code is open source, so it can stay on facebook for coders aka Github :P
[16:36] <kulelu88> I really wanted to try that other VCS you mentioned superfly . the simpler one
[16:36] <superfly> kulelu88: I'm taking about open source code
[16:37] <kulelu88> yo gremble , you no longer the 'laaitie' here. lots of young ones lurking here :D
[16:37] <superfly> kulelu88: bazaar?
[16:37] <kulelu88> yeah, bazaar, thats it
[16:37] <superfly> Ah
[16:38] <superfly> Launchpad.net is the only bzr hosting I know of
[16:38] <superfly> Git can be simple if there's only one committer
[16:39] <superfly> And because Linus likes to email for patches around, apparently everyone must use git
[16:39] <superfly> s/for/git/
[16:39] <kulelu88> the linus element is strong in why git got chosen over the others
[16:40] <kulelu88> probably why Go and Rust will win over Crystal and Nim
[16:41] <superfly> I got started with bzr long before git and hg were popular. In fact, at the time, bzr was probably the most popular
[16:41] <superfly> kulelu88: actually, BitKeeper was recently open sourced
[16:42] <kulelu88> you making it sound like you were there when C version 0.01 was launched superfly :D
[16:42] <superfly> kulelu88: almost :-P
[16:42] <kulelu88> Gogs is really interesting. apparently it can be run on a rPI
[16:43] <superfly> kulelu88: I've used Subversion and CVS. tell any older dev that and they'll probably shudder
[16:44] <kulelu88> time flies though. I've been using git for like 3/4 years on/off
[16:45] <Kilos> LP gives you karma if you work there
[16:45] <Kilos> if you are a member of a loco that is
[16:54] <theblazehen> +1 for gogs in comparison to gitlab
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:16] <superfly> Ah yes, now I remember, the Github clone hosted on Github. How ironic.
[17:18] <superfly> Even GitLab is hosted on GitLab
[17:24] <superfly> Maaz: ur
[17:24] <Maaz> superfly: Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC.  If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so.
[17:42] <magespawn> good evening
[17:46] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:46] <Kilos> lol ur
[17:47] <Kilos> inetpro find it please
[17:47] <Kilos> i forgot the switch for youtube-dl to get sound only
[17:48] <Kilos> anyone else is welcome to jump in as well
[17:49] <Kilos> dont let me waste data trying to find it
[17:49] <Kilos> maybe -c
[17:49] <magespawn> not to sure what you are looking for Kilos
[17:50] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:50] <Kilos> you download only the song magespawn not the vido
[17:50] <Kilos> i told pro
[17:50] <paddatrapper> -X I think
[17:50] <Kilos> and he is good at finding things
[17:50] <magespawn> using what though? wget?
[17:51] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:51] <Kilos> youtube-dl
[17:51] <inetpro> Kilos: man youtube-dl
[17:51] <Kilos> so difficult using a laptop with only one drive
[17:51] <magespawn> never heard of it
[17:51] <paddatrapper> youtubedl -X 'URL'
[17:52] <Kilos> lol inetpro you know i battle with man
[17:52] <Kilos> but ill look
[17:52] <paddatrapper> will do it, but it is post-processing so will download both and then extract the audio
[17:52] <Kilos> was a -c or -a
[17:52] <Kilos> X doesnt look right
[17:53] <paddatrapper> Kilos: -c means continue/resume
[17:53] <Kilos> on youtube -dl as well?
[17:53] <Kilos> i use -c on wget
[17:54] <paddatrapper> -a provides a input file of URLS
[17:54] <paddatrapper> I'm looking at youtube-dl docs
[17:54] <Kilos> something with 140 as well
[17:54] <paddatrapper> https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl has the docs I'm looking at
[17:54] <inetpro> -F, --list-formats
[17:54] <inetpro>               List all available formats of requested videos
[17:54] <Kilos> youtube-dl -? 140 link
[17:55] <inetpro> paddatrapper: man youtube-dl
[17:56] <paddatrapper> Not on a Linux box at the moment. Internet is the best I can do
[17:58] <Kilos> might be -x paddatrapper
[17:58] <Kilos> so much reading
[17:58] <Kilos> sigh
[17:58] <paddatrapper> -x, --extract-audio              Convert video files to audio-only files
[17:58] <Kilos> thats why i told pro, he members or finds thing easy
[17:59] <Kilos> that must be it
[17:59] <Kilos> your memory is good
[17:59] <Kilos> pros big prob is he likes promoting man pages
[17:59] <paddatrapper> I just can google quickly :)
[18:00] <Kilos> haha
[18:00] <theblazehen> Kilos: Man pages are great :)
[18:00] <paddatrapper> Haha. They are useful, but not when I don't have access to them
[18:00] <Kilos> eeeeeek
[18:00] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: I hate it when the man command isn't available :(
[18:00] <inetpro> Kilos: -F, --list-formats
[18:00] <Kilos> only useful thing i ever found and understood in man pages was -c for wget
[18:00] <magespawn> paddatrapper: it is cross platform so you could install it there if youwanted
[18:01] <inetpro> once you know the formats you select the format to download with -f
[18:01] <magespawn> then it might have some version of hel[
[18:01]  * Kilos hates trying to figure anythong out on man pages
[18:01] <magespawn> help
[18:01] <paddatrapper> magespawn: I'm not usually on Windows, trying to figure out Linux commands
[18:02] <inetpro> ai!
[18:02]  * magespawn thinks that is Kilos' problem
[18:02] <Kilos> what magespawn
[18:02] <Kilos> thats why when i find something that works i tell you guys
[18:03] <Kilos> so you can remember it for me
[18:03] <Kilos> not tell me to sukkel in man bla bla
[18:05] <inetpro> Kilos: youtube-dl -F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCYEDj69IRg
[18:06] <inetpro> then, select the format of your choice, e.g., youtube-dl -f 140 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCYEDj69IRg
[18:06] <inetpro> simple stuff man
[18:06] <inetpro> it's all in the man pages
[18:06] <Kilos> yay ty inetpro so it was -f 140
[18:07] <Kilos> might try 160
[18:07] <Kilos> trying to understand the diffs
[18:07] <inetpro> Kilos: it's not necessarily always 140
[18:07] <inetpro> you need to look at the output of -F
[18:07] <Kilos> i am atm
[18:07] <Kilos> but so much there
[18:08] <inetpro> pick and choose
[18:08] <Kilos> thats like telling someone to take your pick in a room full of shovels
[18:09] <Kilos> i remember te 140 always worked ok
[18:09] <Kilos> not sure if 160 or others are better quality or what
[18:10] <inetpro> remember, some of it is video only, if I understand that correctly, that means no sound
[18:10] <Kilos> lol
[18:11] <magespawn> so could end up with a sound file with nothing in it the length of the video
[18:11] <Kilos> 140 has always worked ok so far , my ears arent that picky anymore
[18:11] <magespawn> would be interesting if that happened
[18:12] <Kilos> but my brat has a music ear so dont want the worst quality
[18:14] <Kilos> thank you for the help guys
[18:17] <Kilos> look at this youtube-dl -f 160 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCYEDj69IRg
[18:17] <Kilos> dunno where that came from was in the download
[18:18] <Kilos> put wrong link
[18:20] <inetpro> Kilos: tie a knot in your handkerchief
[18:20] <Kilos> lol
[18:20] <Kilos> 160mbrings vid and no audio
[18:20] <Kilos> sigh
[18:22] <inetpro> put a rubber band on your wrist to remember that
[18:22] <Kilos> 140 is the one to use
[18:23] <magespawn> has anyone seen this https://is.gd/WNbf14
[18:23] <Kilos> no man its all the switch things all over the place that mix me up
[18:25] <inetpro> magespawn: never seen it
[18:28] <Kilos> paddatrapper its -f 140
[18:28] <Kilos> remeber that
[18:29] <Kilos> pretty please
[18:29] <paddatrapper> Kilos: I'll try
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <magespawn> inetpro: just thought it might be interesting to those who use nginx
[18:56] <Kilos> bushtech_ hoekom so still
[18:56] <Kilos> ek slaap amper
[18:57] <bushtech_> weet niks van die goed waaroor julle praat nie
[18:57] <Kilos> ek ook nie
[18:57] <bushtech_> stil bek is 'n heel bek
[18:57] <Kilos> lol
[18:58] <Kilos> jy moet darem groet
[18:58] <Kilos> anders dink ek jy is miskien siek en kannie vra vir hulp nie
[18:58] <bushtech_> sit en wonder oor die forecast op my weerstasie
[18:59] <Kilos> ai! 20 more hier
[18:59] <bushtech_> die deng seg ons gaan more 30mm reen kry
[18:59] <Kilos> sjoe dis goed
[18:59] <Kilos> ek hoop ons kry ook reen
[18:59] <Kilos> maar dan gaan dit eers koud word
[18:59] <bushtech_> jy is nie baie ver van my af nie
[19:00] <bushtech_> wel sover lyk die winter meer na lente
[19:00] <Kilos> is dit net so drooog by julle
[19:01] <Kilos> tot die vissies in die spruit spoeg stof uit hier
[19:01] <bushtech_> yep maar die laat reen het gehelp
[19:02] <theblazehen> eish
[19:02] <theblazehen> I wish there was more time..
[19:02] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:02] <bushtech_> maar Vaalkopdam is 60% en somer reen nog ver
[19:03] <Kilos> tell everyone how you feel about time in 40 years from now
[19:03] <bushtech_> heh heh yes
[19:03] <Kilos> ja dinge lyk maar sleg
[19:03] <theblazehen> This week flew past..
[19:04] <Kilos> every years they go faster
[19:04] <theblazehen> Feels like just yesterday was sunday
[19:04]  * theblazehen has 20+ hours of work to do over the weekend..
[19:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:04]  * theblazehen is gonna get started
[19:04] <bushtech_> as long as you get paid for it
[19:04] <theblazehen> bushtech_: Very well :)
[19:05] <Kilos> then make the most of your time
[19:05] <bushtech_> ok then the o/t never worried me
[19:05] <theblazehen> Yeah. Would be nice if I had *some* free time though.. Although I did get dinner with friends during the week
[19:06] <Kilos> lol
[19:06] <Kilos> look after your health as well
[19:06]  * theblazehen isn't happy with how little work I've been doing past few weeks though :( Only been getting around 14 hours done / weekend for past 2 months
[19:06] <bushtech_> stuff the free time if you can retire early
[19:06] <Kilos> not enough sleep aint good
[19:06] <theblazehen> Eh
[19:06] <theblazehen> Yeah, I love sleep.. :(
[19:07] <theblazehen> http://www.wikihow.com/Adopt-a-Polyphasic-Sleep-Schedule want to try this
[19:08] <theblazehen> Can't though
[19:08] <theblazehen> Will just stick with normal little sleep
[19:12] <paddatrapper> The problem is finding the time in the middle of the day
[19:13] <theblazehen> Exactly
[19:13] <theblazehen> Could work if you worked from home
[19:14] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:14] <Kilos> see you tomorrow
[19:39] <magespawn> theblazehen: i seem to find the time for that every now and then
[19:39] <theblazehen> magespawn: Normal sleep or the mid day slee[?
[19:40] <theblazehen> It's so annoying..
[19:40] <theblazehen> Maybe I should have a bar one
[19:41] <magespawn> the miday, so biphasic according to tthat article
[19:43] <magespawn> the only problem with some of those more exterem patterns is having to maintain a normal work pattern/hours
[19:43] <magespawn> extreme
[19:46] <magespawn> having said that i am off to bed, good night all
[21:01] <chesedo> hi deegee


[18:55] <RNeese> hey guys what is the name of the ubuntu devel branch like debian has sid ?
[18:56] <RNeese> I am workingon a riscv builder that will build stable and devel release
[18:56] <RNeese> but I dont know what ubuntu calls its dev branch
[19:09] <stgraber> I supposed the closest mapping would be impish (current dev release) would be equivalent to testing and impish with impish-proposed added would be somewhat of an equivalent to sid (effectively uploads prior to britney having run tests + promotion)
[19:09] <stgraber> I believe we have symlinks in place for "devel", so you could in theory run a machine with apt entries for "devel" and "devel-proposed" which would always get you the dev release pre-britney (so sid equivalent)
[19:10] <RNeese> ok
[19:37] <RNeese> I whist that ubuntu had kept working on riscv builder
[19:37] <RNeese> but I was told because the beaglev was pulled they stopped
[20:07] <cjwatson> that's a confusing statement; we're still building riscv64 packages for Ubuntu
[20:08] <RNeese> yes but I dont find a builderscript anywhere for building a working img
[20:08] <RNeese> unless its just supported by buildroot which I have yet to playwith
[20:09] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RISC-V has links to canned images for a couple of boards
[20:10] <cjwatson> but it's been a few years since I was involved with Ubuntu's image building so IDK how easy it is to do that yourself
[20:58] <RNeese> ok
[21:59] <stgraber> yeah, from what I've heard, we have at least support for the various SiFive boards. I know we were hoping to add the BeagleV to that list but then they decided to stop production.
[22:48] <RNeese> there is a new version same chip
[22:48] <RNeese> being made now


[05:47] <tmarble> fabbione: ping
[05:47] <fabbione> tmarble: pong
[05:48] <tmarble> ciao!  i'm wondering how one finds out what the UDS schedule will look like?
[05:48] <tmarble> at what point does it "do the magic" and put specs into timeslots (etc.)?  and how can I find out about all the ancilarry (i.e. non-spec) events?
[05:48] <fabbione> tmarble: we will have a schedule soon.. but it's basically 50 minutes sessions + 10 minutes break all day long (+ break for lunch)
[05:49] <tmarble> on the hour?
[05:49] <fabbione> we start at 9 am and each session in 60
[05:49] <tmarble> going until....?
[05:49] <fabbione> can't remember... 17:30 i think
[05:49] <tmarble> k
[05:49] <fabbione> gimme a sec to check
[05:50] <tmarble> FWIW I will have a T2000 rev2 with me :)
[05:50] <fabbione> yeah 9 -> 17:30
[05:50] <fabbione> ok :)
[05:51] <fabbione> the details of the schedule will be published daily
[05:51] <tmarble> ok
[05:51] <fabbione> non-specs events are arranged on the fly
[05:52] <tmarble> I'm pretty excited about it.. we actually have *lots* of people attending: http://blogs.sun.com/tmarble/entry/ubuntu_developer_summit
[05:52] <fabbione> yes and nobody out of that list told me till 2 hours ago
[05:52] <fabbione> i was expecting an email from Simon
[05:52] <fabbione> but he did never answer
[05:53] <fabbione> now i need to see if we can arrange a dinner or something
[05:53] <fabbione> the blog is empty?
[05:53] <tmarble> hmm
[05:58] <tmarble> wow, that's wierd.. like it didn't get published?
[05:58] <fabbione> yeps
[05:58] <fabbione> it's empty
[05:59] <tmarble> my bad -- apparently didn't push the right button... try again now (let me know what you think ;-)
[06:00] <fabbione> eheh there it is
[06:01] <fabbione> oky doky :)


[15:51] <elwood> hi
[15:53] <elwood> there will be a linuxday on tunis? i'm here to study arab and i want to partecipate to it if possible
[21:41]  * crack05 is away (Gone)