[08:02] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <JoeyChan> morning  :)
[08:21] <lpapp> hi, is anyone using QtCreator in here to publish to the Ubuntu store?
[08:22] <lpapp> I am looking for the answer in here, http://askubuntu.com/questions/529416/qt-creator-publish-tab-missing-click-part
[08:25] <mrqtros> JoeyChan hello!
[08:25] <justCarakas> The file that it works on is normally in your project directory, if you click on it it should open if I remember corectly lpapp
[08:25] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:  good to c u here  :P
[08:26] <mrqtros> JoeyChan yeah) Now I am able to be online during the day)
[08:26] <mrqtros> JoeyChan not only in evening as before)
[08:26] <lpapp> justCarakas: which file you mean?
[08:27] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:  lol,    but most people are still in bed now   :P
[08:27] <mrqtros> JoeyChan ahah, not in Russia - already 11:27
[08:27] <justCarakas> manifest.json lpapp
[08:28] <justCarakas> not everyone is american here :p JoeyChan
[08:28] <mrqtros> JoeyChan in Moscow some people are come to work only now, yes, but in my town little bit earlier)
[08:28] <mrqtros> justCarakas he is from China =P
[08:29] <justCarakas> bummer :D
[08:29] <JoeyChan> people just starts their daylife in EU    :P
[08:30] <JoeyChan> especially in UK
[08:30] <justCarakas> true :D I'm from europe :D
[08:30] <mrqtros> ok let's wait when our folks will wake up
[08:31] <mrqtros> and put little makeup :D
[08:31] <JoeyChan> :P
[08:36] <lpapp> justCarakas: what creates that file?
[08:37] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  u can use the default project template in SDK
[08:39] <justCarakas> JoeyChan: he is making an HTML5 app
[08:39] <justCarakas> maybe that is the difference
[08:41] <JoeyChan> justCarakas:  I think lpapp is using the default template from Qt itself, not from the Ubuntu sdk
[08:41] <JoeyChan> so missing some click files
[08:43] <lpapp> JoeyChan: justCarakas, the user used Qt Creator > Qt Quick Application.
[08:43] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  justCarakas      seems I am right
[08:44] <JoeyChan> lpapp:   U need this:    file -- new project -- ubuntu -- pick one u like
[08:45] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  if u can't see "ubuntu" in new project, u probally open the wrong sdk
[08:46] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk
[08:46] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  not the official Qt sdk
[08:47] <lpapp> oh, the changes were not upstreamed?
[08:48] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  ubuntu-sdk has its own toolchain
[08:48] <lpapp> what about apt-get install qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu?
[08:48] <JoeyChan> that's part of ubuntu-sdk
[08:48] <lpapp> but new project > ubuntu only lets you create html apps, that is what the user says, so not C++/QML. Is there something that he is missing out?
[08:49] <JoeyChan> lpapp: ubuntu-sdk using official Qt's API, with its extra components
[08:49] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  I believe u miss sth
[08:50] <JoeyChan> pls reinstall ubuntu-sdk
[08:50] <lpapp> should it also work on 14.04?
[08:51] <JoeyChan> of course
[08:51] <JoeyChan> I am using 1404
[08:51] <lpapp> reinstalled, and "ubuntu-sdk is already the newest version.", still html only under new project > ubuntu
[08:53] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  seems u need to set the qmake manually ..
[08:53] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  go to the setting page
[08:55] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  build & run   tab
[08:55] <lpapp> JoeyChan: "I just went to New Proj. > Ubuntu > HTML5 and even though there is a manifest.json file showing up the Publish screen is still empty :/"
[08:55] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  select "Qt version"
[08:56] <mrqtros> lpapp maybe you run wrong Qt Creator?
[08:56] <mrqtros> JoeyChan you are on 14.04? :) It's happened)
[08:56] <lpapp> mrqtros: he said he was.
[08:56] <lpapp> 08:48 < JoeyChan> I am using 1404
[08:57] <lpapp> mrqtros: what exactly do you mean by wrong qt-creator?
[08:57] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  nothing in your manifest file ?
[08:58] <lpapp> "Even the Ubuntu > QML (but no other language) one which has a manifest.json file won't display the Publish screen"
[08:58] <lpapp> JoeyChan: I am requesting that information, sec.
[08:58] <mrqtros> lpapp maybe you have standalone Qt installation with its own QtCreator
[08:59] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  I believe u r opening the wrong creator
[08:59] <lpapp> mrqtros: there are two different qtcreators on the system if the Qt SDK is installed as well as the Ubuntu SDK?
[08:59] <JoeyChan> there's a "publish" tab in ubuntu sdk
[08:59] <JoeyChan> lpapp:  u can simply open ubuntu sdk using command "ubuntu-sdk"
[09:00] <JoeyChan> or search it in your app's list
[09:00] <mrqtros> lpapp of course! QtCreator from Ubuntu SDK have a lot of additional plugins, looks different against simple QtCreator
[09:01] <lpapp> ok, thanks guys, I am letting him know :)
[09:01] <lpapp> this is the manifest file content: http://pastebin.com/Z5Q0A4aW
[09:02] <lpapp> "framework" : "ubuntu-sdk-14.10"
[09:06] <lpapp> works, great guys, thanks.
[09:10] <mrqtros> lpapp great ;)
[09:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all, and happy birthday UNICEF! :-D
[09:16] <mzanetti> dpm: meeting?
[09:16] <dpm> rpadovani, mzanetti, I'll be a minute
[09:16] <dpm> yeah, coming over
[10:02] <mzanetti> rpadovani: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu-calculator-app/simplify-focus-handling/+merge/244399
[10:07] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:  going home, will be back to irc within an hour  (｡◕‿◕｡)
[10:14] <lpapp> JoeyChan: mrqtros for having C++ project under the Ubuntu option, not just QML/HTML, one needs to set up qmake manually?
[10:14] <lpapp> or the ubuntu-sdk package should ship such a customized QtCreator instance in which it just works?
[10:28] <mrqtros> lpapp seems that you should use CMake project for that purpose)
[10:28] <rpadovani> mzanetti, thanks!
[10:28] <rpadovani> popey, do we have Jenkins up and running for calculator reboot?
[10:28] <mrqtros> lpapp, but I can't help you with that...
[10:28] <rpadovani> https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu-calculator-app/simplify-focus-handling/+merge/244399
[10:28] <lpapp> mrqtros: lol, I guess Qt app developers usually prefer qmake even though I prefer cmake or something better.
[10:29] <mrqtros> lpapp Qt app developers prefer, but Ubuntu developers don't ^^
[10:29] <lpapp> mrqtros: really
[10:30] <mrqtros> lpapp ubuntu scopes are cmake projects, 100%
[10:30] <popey> rpadovani: let me look at jenkins to see, francis said it would take a little while... one moment
[10:30] <mrqtros> lpapp not sure about mixed C++\QML apps
[10:32] <popey> rpadovani: looks like it's there, but it's broken, will chase up with ci
[10:32] <rpadovani> thanks sir!
[10:33] <popey> rpadovani: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9474413/
[10:33] <popey> thats all i can see
[10:36] <mrqtros> I am afk now)
[10:36] <rpadovani> popey, lot of useful log, I see :P Actually, I think we miss the debian/ folder in the project,but I don't know how to setup it. Do you know who can I ask help to?
[10:40] <popey> rpadovani: ah, can we steal the debian folder from the old calculator app and modify it?
[10:41] <rpadovani> popey, seems a good plan, I'll try
[11:10] <bzoltan> mrqtros: the qmake support in the Ubuntu SDK is about to land in hours ... the release candidate is available for testing for some time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5wX0WqNjVk
[11:10] <rpadovani> popey, https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/debianFolder141211/+merge/244411
[11:11] <popey> ack
[11:11]  * popey tests with "debuild -uc -us"
[11:11] <popey> debian/rules:10: recipe for target 'build' failed
[11:12] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9474626/ rpadovani
[11:12] <rpadovani> Ok, so I need to read some docs, I have no idea on all that things
[11:16] <popey> heh
[11:16] <popey> maybe poke nik90_ ☻
[11:16] <popey> i think he did the debian directory for clock reboot
[11:31] <mrqtros> bzoltan for scopes too?
[11:32] <bzoltan> mrqtros: not quite yet
[11:33] <mrqtros> bzoltan does it mean that I will able to create mixed C++\QML project "out of box" and easily deploy it to device?
[11:35] <bzoltan> mrqtros: That one you can do with cmake too... but yes with qmake it will be easier
[11:38] <mrqtros> bzoltan great) qmake is Qt way :)
[11:57] <nik90_> zsombi: ping
[11:57] <zsombi> nik90_: pong
[11:58] <nik90_> zsombi: hey, I just switched to vivid for testing the clock app and noticed that I cannot disable nor edit alarms.
[11:58] <zsombi> nik90_: wow...! weird!
[11:59] <zsombi> nik90_: nothing major happened there... other than the alarms big change, and that was tested pretty well...
[11:59] <nik90_> zsombi: yeah the clock app explicitly checks the error before poping the pagestack after an alarm is saved/updated..
[11:59] <zsombi> nik90_: what error code you get?
[11:59] <nik90_> I havent changed the alarm code in clock for ages due to rtm freezes
[12:00] <nik90_> zsombi: that's the thing, I dont get any errors
[12:00] <zsombi> nik90_: :D
[12:00] <nik90_> the edit alarm page is popped only when there are no alarms
[12:00] <nik90_> but the listview never updates with the new alarm values
[12:01] <zsombi> nik90_: so, you can edit, but the changes don't show up?
[12:01] <nik90_> zsombi: yes
[12:01] <zsombi> nik90_: how about next time you open teh app?
[12:01] <nik90_> Even after restarting the app, the alarm changes dont show up
[12:02] <nik90_> I will try debugging this further to check for other failure points
[12:03] <nik90_> zsombi: does this update function look correct? http://paste.ubuntu.com/9475190/
[12:03] <nik90_> the validate function is as simple as http://paste.ubuntu.com/9475195/
[12:04] <zsombi> nik90_: the alarm may not yet be saved, and errors may come after the save() exited and the validateAlarm() is passed
[12:05] <zsombi> nik90_: like EDS may report some error later
[12:05] <nik90_> zsombi: how do I wait and output that error?
[12:06] <zsombi> nik90_: try on desktop with memory manager, and check the alarm database under ~/.local/share/<appname>/alarms.json
[12:06] <zsombi> nik90_: check tempAlarm.status changes
[12:06] <nik90_> ok
[12:32] <recursion> does anyone know of anything like qtmessaging in the ubuntu sdk api/qt5 api?
[13:41] <mrqtros> JoeyChan ping
[13:41] <JoeyChan> mrqtros: pong
[13:50] <mrqtros> JoeyChan is there any development plan or new design for Shorts? :)
[13:51] <JoeyChan> no official plan nor design yet
[13:52] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:  u can try my "color experiment" branch  lp:~qqworini/ubuntu-rssreader-app/color-experiment
[13:52] <JoeyChan> my own design
[13:55] <mrqtros> JoeyChan I remember) It's very simple and much faster
[13:55] <mrqtros> JoeyChan I will rework header first
[13:56] <mrqtros> JoeyChan in RssFeedPage.qml
[13:56] <mrqtros> JoeyChan and maybe will try to clean up code soon...
[13:57] <mrqtros> JoeyChan BTW when will we use C++? We should wait for qmake support, I think
[13:57] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:  I saw ur branch changes
[13:57] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:  I know cmake, no need to wait the qmake support
[13:58] <mrqtros> JoeyChan I know Kung Fu :D
[13:58] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:  :P   haha
[13:58] <mrqtros> JoeyChan  Matrix <3
[13:59] <mrqtros> JoeyChan ok, feel free to create C++ project than
[13:59] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:  the challenge that switch to C++ is how to combine database and multi-thread
[14:00] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:  we cannot put the database oparations in the main thread
[14:01] <mrqtros> JoeyChan currently they are in the main thread
[14:01] <mrqtros> JoeyChan so we can't do worse
[14:02] <mrqtros> JoeyChan most complex DB operation for us - adding new articles to DB from network. We can easily move it to C++
[14:03] <popey> gventuri: you around for calendar hangout?
[14:04] <JoeyChan> mrqtros: my plan is to move the whole database to c ++
[14:05] <mrqtros> JoeyChan we can implement something like multitheaded DB engine
[14:05] <gventuri> popey: is it on already? its not in my calendar
[14:06] <popey> ah okay, it's now if you're around?
[14:06] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:  but I never try put a db engine to another thread, need some time to test
[14:07] <mrqtros> JoeyChan I too
[14:07] <mrqtros> JoeyChan but it's ok, when can move to C++ base step-by-step
[14:07] <mrqtros> JoeyChan no need to make revolution :)
[14:11] <mrqtros> JoeyChan we already will get benefits from Network Cache
[14:11] <JoeyChan> mrqtros: I'm not sure that will fail the auto-pilot test if I change the project to c++
[14:12] <mrqtros> JoeyChan instantly after switching to C++ and adding one line of code (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rssreader-app/+bug/1379726)
[14:14] <balloons> JoeyChan, mrqtros so you want to make shorts have a compiled binary?
[14:14] <JoeyChan> balloons:  yup
[14:16] <JoeyChan> balloons:  still planning,  not hurry to switch to c++
[14:16] <balloons> JoeyChan, ok so there will need to be so simple tweaks to the launching of the app for the autopilot test (so you call the binary and not qmlscene)
[14:17] <mrqtros> JoeyChan I think yes
[14:18] <mrqtros> JoeyChan a lot of apps in UP already contain C++ :)
[14:19] <JoeyChan> balloons:  once we decide switch to c++ , will let u know   :)
[14:20] <balloons> :-)
[14:20] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:  yep, I know  :P
[14:20] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:  and c++ helps  shorten the startup time
[14:43] <mrqtros> JoeyChan anyway let's w8 for qmake support, later we will create new C++ based project
[14:47] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:  will see   :)
[14:47] <JoeyChan> mrqtros:   gonna sleep, c ya
[14:50] <mrqtros> JoeyChan have a good night, mate
[14:55] <techneut92> hi.
[14:57] <techneut92> i've got a little question. i'm trying to create an torch app for ubuntu touch. This should be extremely easy. just import QtMultimedia 5.0 (which gives some errors.. about expected a single import) and create the qml object Torch with power:100 and enabled: true.. this doesn't work.. did i mis something ?
[18:35] <balloons> techneut92, did you have a look at the other torch apps in the store? ;-
[18:44] <popey> techneut92: the other 2 or 3 torches ☻
[18:52] <qtros> mhall119
[18:52] <qtros> mhall119 ping
[19:17] <mrqtros_> mhall119 hello
[19:18] <mrqtros_> mhall119 as far as I know you implemented MultiColumnListView?
[20:04] <rickspencer3> kalikiana, around at all? I wanted to ask if there a good existing design pattern for searching through a u1db?
[20:51] <rickspencer3> balloons, is there documentation that will help me understand how to use the testing framework built into the qml project template?
[20:51] <rickspencer3> I want to write some unit tests
[20:52] <ahoneybun> ping mhall119
[20:52] <balloons> rickspencer3, yes and there's a nice video from UOS where we also talk about it
[20:52] <balloons> let me find a link for you
[20:52] <rickspencer3> great, thanks
[20:52] <ahoneybun> balloons: rickspencer3 mhall119 I need some feedback please http://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppDev/comments/2nlp03/ubeginner_ubuntu_app/
[20:53] <rickspencer3> hi ahoneybun
[20:53] <ahoneybun> hey rickspencer3
[20:53] <ahoneybun> I got my shirt!
[20:53] <rickspencer3> :)
[20:54] <ahoneybun> its so nice
[20:54] <balloons> rickspencer3, http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtquick-qtquicktest.html
[20:54]  * rickspencer3 looks
[20:54] <balloons> rickspencer3, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22396/writing-unit-tests-for-qml-applications/
[20:55]  * ahoneybun will wear his ubuntu pioneer shirt with his ubuntu hoodie
[21:18] <rickspencer3> thanks balloons
[21:21] <balloons> yw, gl
[21:25] <rickspencer3> balloons, so, I'm looking at that doc page you linked me to, but I'm not getting how to actually run a test
[21:31] <balloons> rickspencer3, you use qmltestrunner. Not sure if your project uses cmake or qmake
[21:31] <rickspencer3> balloons, I created it a couple of weeks ago, so I assume qmake
[21:32] <rickspencer3> bummer
[21:32] <rickspencer3> FAIL!  : qmltestrunner::tst_u1shoppingdatabase::compile() module "QtTest" is not installed
[21:32] <rickspencer3> :)
[21:32] <balloons> rickspencer3, sudo apt-get install qtdeclarative5-dev-tools qtdeclarative5-test-plugin
[21:33] <balloons> rickspencer3, lol.. I'm assume qmake lets you add a test step as part of the build
[21:33] <rickspencer3> balloons, it's pure qml, there is nothing to build
[21:33] <balloons> fancy
[21:36] <nik90_> rickspencer3: if its pure qml, then just navigate into the folder containing the qml test suites and run "qmltestrunner -input qmltestfilename.qml"
[21:37] <nik90_> rickspencer3: if you used qmake or cmake, it allows you to run the entire qml test suite as part of the build
[21:37] <rickspencer3> nik90_, right, but, no build, it's pure qml :)
[21:38] <nik90_> rickspencer3: right, then you can use qmltestrunner very similar to how you use qmlscene
[21:38] <rickspencer3> yeah
[21:38] <rickspencer3> trying it
[21:42] <mivoligo> mzanetti: are you here by any chance?
[22:11] <mzanetti> mivoligo: now I am
[22:12] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I'm working on that particle effect for destruction now
[22:12] <mzanetti> mivoligo: cool. any findings already?
[22:12] <mivoligo> mzanetti: black magic at first but I'm getting there :)
[22:14] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I tried to use your code but ended up with something else :D
[22:15] <mzanetti> yeah, it was mostly an example to get started
[22:16] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I guess I have to edit EnemyDelegate.qml to see that in the game, right?
[22:17] <mzanetti> need to check
[22:19] <mzanetti> mivoligo: yes just add it there (replacing the other) and start it in onAliveChanged somwhow
[22:20] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok, I'll try to experiment with it tomorrow or over the weekend
[22:21] <mzanetti> have seen your bug report with the colors. thanks for that
[22:23] <mivoligo> mzanetti: no problem :)
[22:24] <mivoligo> mzanetti: will the name of the game stay as it is or you're thinking of some changes?
[22:24] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I don't have any better ideas and I quite like the current one
[22:25] <mivoligo> coz I was thinking of doing some video promo of the game :D
[22:26] <mivoligo> as part of learning kdenlive
[22:26] <mzanetti> awesome :D
[22:26] <mivoligo> mzanetti: so I hope you will not finish the game to soon ;)
[22:27] <mzanetti> mivoligo: feel free to come up with other suggestions, but unless we find something really great we don't need to change the name imo
[22:27] <mzanetti> mivoligo: heh, it'll be a bit still
[22:27] <mzanetti> creating levels is quite time consuming
[22:27] <mzanetti> have to play ever level like 20 times
[22:27] <mivoligo> :D
[22:28] <mivoligo> must get boring
[22:28] <mzanetti> not even that, because its challenging too
[22:29] <mzanetti> but I need to have time without interruptions
[22:30] <mzanetti> also sound is still a work in progress
[22:30] <mzanetti> want to bundle a different song to each world
[22:30] <mzanetti> so it has to go into the level pack somehow
[22:31] <mivoligo> my kids love the music :) I told them there will be more like that
[22:31] <mzanetti> yeah, I already have the songs mixed for looping
[22:32] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok, I have to go to bed, I'll let you know if I do the destruction effect
[22:32] <mivoligo> take care!
[22:32] <mzanetti> o/


[00:03] <James147> AnxiousNut: I have no clue how to do things from gnome sorry
[00:04] <AnxiousNut> James147, i just need to know the name of the theming application or under which package it exist
[00:07] <James147> AnxiousNut: its part of the system settings in kde
[00:09] <AnxiousNut> James147, yea Kay_ from #KDE helped me; it's by having systemsettings installed then can be ran from the command line in my case, thanks for your time buddy :)
[00:13] <srikant> amichair: :-(
[00:14] <srikant> amichair: Can I get link to instructions for OEM installation mode in Lucid Kubutu
[00:14] <amichair> srikant: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuOEMInstaller
[00:16] <srikant> kde 4.4.4 crashes while removing plasma device notifier from system tray :(
[00:16] <srikant> amichair: thanks
[00:17] <amichair> srikant: if you have a crash, can you please report the bug with the details (the crash handler should offer your to)?
[00:17] <srikant> ok
[00:19] <srikant> amichair: After a restart, KDM, is loaded and we login as "oem". After doing the necessary changes(install drivers, add packages etc.), we run
[00:19] <srikant> sudo oem-config-prepare
[00:19] <srikant> amichair: When exactly we will be able to install drivers & packages ?
[00:22] <amichair> when you log in as oem, you can make any changes to the system that you need, including installing packages etc. when you are done, you run oem-config-prepare. at that point the image is ready (the next time you boot, it will run your customized installer)
[00:23] <srikant> amichair: Thanks a lot
[00:23] <amichair> srikant: good luck :-)
[00:51] <bandura> is there anyone to ask about konqueror browser?
[00:52] <Tm_T> ask the question and find out (:
[00:52] <mase_wk> bandura: generally you just ask your question
[00:53] <nba> hi
[00:53] <mase_wk> if someone knows they will respond, even if they are idling, later they may respond so long as your still in the channel
[00:53] <mase_wk> hi nba
[00:53] <bandura> i am just wondering if there is any setting to put in the konqueror to start with tabbed browsing enabled, insted of clicking ctrl=t... to open a second tab
[00:54] <bandura> the second question is how can i make konqueror as a file browser to access my ntfs drives
[00:54] <mase_wk> so you want 2 tabs when you start konq?
[00:54] <bandura> insted of accessing only the ext drives
[00:54] <mase_wk> you can just type nfs://youserver into the address bar
[00:54] <bandura> yae mase_wk
[00:55] <nba> i loose my root password if somebody can help
[00:55] <mase_wk> dunno how to get 2 tabs on start up
[00:55] <mase_wk> nba: sudo passwd root
[00:55] <bandura> i.e. firefox starts in tabs, how can I make the same with konqueror
[00:55] <mase_wk> assumes your current user has sudo
[00:56] <James147> mase_wk: its not recomended to set a root password
[00:56] <mase_wk> James147: well no, but he's lost his root password so i assume its already set right ?
[00:56] <mase_wk> bandura: my firefox only startts with a single blank page /tab
[00:57] <mase_wk> konq can do that
[00:57] <James147> mase_wk: I wouldnt assume that :) most people who know how to set the root password know how to change it :)
[00:57] <mase_wk> but i donn't know how to make it have 2 tabs
[00:57] <mase_wk> James147: yeh fair call
[00:57] <bandura> mase I dont care about the 2 tabs, just to opened in tabs
[00:57] <bandura> like firefox
[00:58] <mase_wk> just deselect the option which says 'hide tab bar when only one tab is open'
[00:58] <James147> mase_wk: there is an option in the settings for konq -> general tab -> "Hide the tab bar when only one tab is open"
[00:59] <James147> bandura: ^^ sorry
[00:59] <mase_wk> =)
[01:00] <James147> bandura: also, about the ntfs drive you might need to mount them first
[01:01] <bandura> many thanks mase :)
[01:01] <James147> nba: did you do what mase_wk suggested?
[01:01] <bandura> james, is there any option to have them mounted? i.e. when I open dolphin I can see them...
[01:02] <James147> bandura: dolphin mounts them when you click them, not sure how konq works but you can always use trhe device manager to mount them (a widget on the panel)
[01:03] <fabio333> hi there!
[01:03] <James147> bandura: possibly by hitting F9 in konq and selecting the "places" tab
[01:04] <fabio333> did you see the bold face or what?
[01:04] <James147> fabio333: ??
[01:05] <fabio333> i'm using quassel on kde 4.4.4
[01:05] <bandura> I just watch my home folder, nothing more
[01:05] <fabio333> this is the first time with kde synce a long time
[01:05] <James147> fabio333: hope you enjoy it :)
[01:06] <fabio333> i see no xdcc support here... should i use konversation?
[01:06] <James147> fabio333: dont know what that is :) but you can use konversation if you wish
[01:07] <fabio333> what is yours?
[01:07] <James147> fabio333: I use quassel and am fine with it
[01:08] <bandura> since konqueror is a file browser too, I should watch all the disks, even if the are unmounted, right? like nautilus and dolphin
[01:08] <James147> bandura: not sure what you mean
[01:09] <fabio333> bandure let me try
[01:10] <bandura> when you open dolphin/nautilus, you can watch all of you disks (incl ntfs), but with konqueror you cannot (at least I cannot...)
[01:10] <fabio333> bandura: me too there is no computer location
[01:10] <bandura> yeap
[01:11] <bandura> there is only the home folder
[01:11] <fabio333> you have to use the device notifier
[01:12] <bandura> this is a widget right?
[01:12] <fabio333> yep, plasma widget
[01:12] <James147> bandura: hmm, my netbook has a places tab when you hit F9 (kde4.5 beta) but my desktop dosent (4.4.2)
[01:14] <fabio333> does bold font work here?
[01:15] <mase_wk> fabio333: nup
[01:15] <mase_wk> well you can change your local font to whatever you want
[01:15] <bandura> james: same here, but in the media are only the mounted drives... while in the other file browser, you can see them even that they are unmounted...
[01:15] <mase_wk> but the rest of the channel won't see it
[01:16] <fabio333> so these little thigs here are pretty useless
[01:16] <mase_wk> little things ?
[01:16] <bandura> james: ok no problem if there is no such feature, then we cannot do anything about that
[01:16] <fabio333> beside my nickname in quassel there is a word-like toobar...
[01:17] <bandura> why kubuntu asks for you password in order to acccess the ntfs drives? can I disable it?\
[01:17] <James147> bandura: in /media you will only see mounted drives (on any file manager) but on the 4.5 beta I have a "Places" tab when I hit F9 that works like the "Places" side bar in dolphin
[01:17] <mase_wk> ah ok, i'm not using quassel personally so i was confused :)
[01:18] <James147> bandura: you can install ntfs-config and run that as root - it will allow you to configure ntfs drives to mount at boot so they wont require a password
[01:19] <bandura> that's interesting, haw can I install this?
[01:19] <fabio333> this is still beta stuff
[01:20] <James147> bandura: sudo aptitude install ntfs-config
[01:20] <fabio333> i mean the 4.5: am i supposed tu use konqueror as a browser?
[01:21] <bandura> if I do this in gnome, would it have any difference, cause I am inubuntu mode now...
[01:22] <James147> fabio333: not sure what you mean, you dont ahve to use 4.5 if you dont want to and you can use what you want as a file manager (default is dolphin)
[01:22] <bandura> i installed kubuntu-desktop in my ubuntu installation
[01:23] <James147> bandura: it should make any difference which desktop interface you install things on (given that they are on the same root drive :) )
[01:23] <James147> bandura: shouldent ^^
[01:24] <bandura> thank you very much
[01:26] <bandura> I ll be back in 20 mins...
[01:37] <bandura> james thanks, it worked perfectly
[01:43] <indio_> hi all
[02:38] <indio_> i have a quite strange but interesting question about linux networking
[02:38] <indio_> i want to join two buildings with a radio link, and them to be in the same segment (<IP_ADDRESS>/16)
[02:39] <indio_> I tried this configuration inside an esxi, building up a bridge
[02:39] <indio_> but it is not working properly: ARP answers are not being forwarded by the linux bridge
[02:40] <indio_> am i missing something?
[02:42] <vot> hi guys
[02:43] <indio_> hi
[02:44] <vot> are Gwibber and PiTiVi able to be installed in kubuntu
[02:46] <vot> are gnome apps supported.. im guessing they must be
[02:51] <indio_> idfk
[02:51] <indio_> bye
[02:59] <phoenix__> hello everyone
[02:59] <phoenix__> i have a doubt regarding ac3 plugun, can anyone help me
[03:24] <James147>    vot: All application in ubuntu are also availble in kubuntu ( they share the same repositorites )
[03:35] <odhinn> Evening, all
[03:35] <phoenix__> James147: hell james
[03:35] <phoenix__> hello james
[03:35] <James147> phoenix__: hi :)
[03:36] <phoenix__> James147: do you know how to configure aac settings
[03:37] <zus> does anyone use KDEnlive  for video editing?
[03:38] <zus> what are the mjpegtools? i tried to install them and i get a "the package mjpegtools should be rebuilt with new debhelper to get trigger support.  what do i do now?
[03:39] <James147> phoenix__: not sure :s
[03:44] <alepando> hello from Chile... i did now installer Kubuntu
[03:47] <khider> hello all, how do I switch to an earlier version of the kernel when I boot up? The latest kernel has serious problems for me.
[03:48] <khider> I get no grub menu when I boot
[03:48] <khider> It just boots and skips the kernel menu options
[03:49] <vot> James i thought so but weirdly i cant see it in the package manager
[03:49] <vot> via aptitude i could install it
[03:50] <khider> any idea how to switch to an earlier kernel?
[03:52] <khider> how do I get a grub menu at boot?
[03:52] <odhinn> khider: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Where%20did%20my%20Grub2%20boot%20menu%20go!?!?!
[03:52] <odhinn> that will tell you how to unhide your grub2 menu
[04:41] <gregory> howdie
[04:42] <gregory> exit
[06:19] <khider> After my update, I lost all visuals fo video playback. Anyone know what I can do to get them back?
[06:20] <khider> VLC, SMplayer, .avi, mpeg or DVD---visuals are just black. But audio plays fine though.
[06:26] <zus>  is there a reason why id be getting a Connection failed
[06:26] <zus> Err http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/ lucid/non-free Translation-en_US
[06:29] <khider> Anyone know how to get the image back for video playback?
[06:29] <khider> After today's update it disapeared. That never happened before.
[07:00] <zus> i have a w-get log in my home folder can i delete it? whats it for?/
[07:02] <remanifest> Is there any way I can hold back packages during dist-upgrade?
[07:02] <mase_wk> zus: if your download has finished yes :)
[07:02] <mase_wk> remanifest: yes there is.....i can't tell you how to do ti b/c i can't remember but i have done it before
[07:03] <remanifest> mase_wk: do you know where I might look?  google is turning up nonsense
[07:03] <zus> mase_wk,  ok.. thank you what is the w-get log?
[07:11] <mase_wk> remanifest: well i found it on google last time i did it because i keep forgetting to write it down
[07:11] <mase_wk> what are you searching for ?
[07:12] <mase_wk> i think i used like blacklist package
[07:12] <mase_wk> or something similar
[07:29] <remanifest> mase_wk: I found it... pinning
[07:30] <mase_wk> ah yeh thats it
[07:30] <mase_wk> good work :)
[07:30] <remanifest> heh thanks
[09:12] <suro> 3gp converter
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> I don't think he's here atm...
[09:17] <BiggFREE> Hi
[09:22] <lyhana8> hi, how do I add several tags at a time with dolphin ?
[10:28] <voicu> silly question, does kubuntu have a repo that always has the unstable version? like with debian? so that i can have the latest versions of all the software all the time
[10:28] <well_laid_lawn> !ppa
[10:29] <voicu> ok, but aren't ppa's specific for each release?
[10:30] <voicu> if a new one appears the ppa changes
[10:30] <well_laid_lawn> adds a dir for the new release name afaik
[10:31] <voicu> aham
[10:31] <voicu> i'll see how it works
[10:35] <contrast> Greets, everyone... Anyone here using Conky on KDE? I've tried several times, using several different methods, but was never able to get transparency to work. :\
[10:46] <well_laid_lawn> contrast: got the line   background no   in conkyrc?
[10:46] <contrast> yup
[10:47] <well_laid_lawn> commented or have no line   own window   ?
[10:49] <contrast> tried commented and uncommented, same results... i have the line "own_window yes"
[10:51] <well_laid_lawn> what's in the rc for own_window_type?
[10:52] <contrast> desktop
[10:53] <well_laid_lawn> same here and mine is transparent - i could paste minee and you could try it
[10:53] <well_laid_lawn> *mine
[10:54] <contrast> well_laid_lawn: that'd be great. :)
[10:54] <well_laid_lawn> one min
[10:54] <contrast> well_laid_lawn: are you using feh or anything else to set the root window's bg?
[10:54] <well_laid_lawn> nope
[10:57] <muddder> http://paste.ubuntu.com/444519/
[10:57] <well_laid_lawn> contrast: ^^
[10:57] <contrast> well_laid_lawn: gorgeous, thanks. just save that to ~/.conkyrc , right?
[10:58] <well_laid_lawn> yep - or another name and use   conky -c /path
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> kill the other running conky's first tho contrast
[11:02] <contrast> weird...
[11:02] <well_laid_lawn> ?
[11:03] <contrast> it shows up, but firefox is showing up on the root window (even though it's minimized)
[11:04] <contrast> well_laid_lawn: i have some plasma widgets on the desktop which update every second. could that be interfering?
[11:05] <well_laid_lawn> could be the case - i don't have much experience with the workings of the plasma widgets
[11:05] <well_laid_lawn> was the conky traansparent?
[11:06] <contrast> ehh, kinda, i guess... i'll pastebin an image...
[11:07] <contrast> well_laid_lawn: http://imagebin.ca/view/zKZBDxc0.html
[11:08] <well_laid_lawn> looks transparent
[11:08] <contrast> well_laid_lawn: that firefox window on the desktop isn't really there - it just kinda flickers in and out once every second or two. it briefly goes away when i right-click on the desktop, but so does conky.
[11:08] <well_laid_lawn> hmm
[11:10] <contrast> i doubt it's relevant, but this comes up in the terminal when i start conky: Conky: can't load font '8x12'
[11:11] <contrast> is that 8x12 hex? and if so, i'm guessing that means i need to figure out the hex for whatever font i want to use, right?
[11:11] <well_laid_lawn> it's not hex but pixel size afaik - try adding the line   double_buffer yes
[11:12] <daedaluz> how can I set kde to only show apps in toolbar that are on current desktop, not on all
[11:12] <contrast> bada bing
[11:12] <contrast> i just quit plasma-desktop, set the background via feh, and now it appears to be working
[11:12] <well_laid_lawn> all good contrast ?
[11:12] <well_laid_lawn> k
[11:13] <contrast> well, not sure yet... gonna start plasma back up and remove those widgets to see if they're the culprit...
[11:13] <James147> daedaluz: in the task bar? right click it -> configure task bar -> there is an option to only show windows from current desktop
[11:13] <well_laid_lawn> daedaluz: if you right click the toolbar is there an option for it?
[11:14] <well_laid_lawn> the systray part
[11:19] <contrast> well_laid_lawn: strange. i'm having to use feh to set the background in order for it to work... still better than what i was getting before though. many thanks. :)
[11:20] <well_laid_lawn> not the best solution but if you're happy then :]
[11:21] <daedaluz> James147: ah, thanks, it was hidden and not accessible behind open programs, had to close some first
[11:21] <contrast> pgodf8ijhad0p9g8sdkjxogzv;
[11:23] <contrast> meh, not really. i use a slideshow for my wallpaper, and i just nuked my plasma setup that took me hours and hours to set up for conky, which apparently isn't going to let me use a slideshow. fffffffffuuuuuuuuu
[11:24] <contrast> sorry, just had to vent... but seriously, thanks well_laid_lawn. i appreciate your time and effort. :)
[11:24] <well_laid_lawn> hehe np ;]
[11:24] <contrast> if only conky didn't have to look so damn sexy and tempting. haha
[11:26] <well_laid_lawn> it is a pity conky and kde have never really got along
[11:26] <contrast> oh, sweet. right-clicking on the desktop makes conky disappear, forcing me to kill it.
[11:27] <contrast> sounds like they get along well enough on your system. =\
[11:28] <well_laid_lawn> that was a kede 3.5 in a vm I posted that rc from
[11:28] <contrast> umm...
[11:29] <contrast> so you're not using conky on kde4?
[11:29] <well_laid_lawn> I'm sure there will be a plasma widget to do at least some of what conky can do
[11:29] <well_laid_lawn> never even seen kde4...
[11:30] <contrast> wtf
[11:30] <well_laid_lawn> apart from your screen shot
[11:31] <well_laid_lawn> I mainly use my server
[11:32] <well_laid_lawn> again - qt has never been freindly to conky fans
[11:35] <pawleeq> hello
[11:38] <pawleeq> I use kde4.4.2 on 10.04. While editing files on remote server KDE makes temporary copy and uploads it to the server when closing the editor. Can I change this so the file is uploaded whenever i save the file?
[11:38] <rohit_> there are total of 4 drives in windows...but when i boot live cd partition manager doesnt detect aany drives...its showing entire hardisk as a single drive,,,...HELP Please
[11:39] <Tm_T> rohit_: drives or partitions?
[11:39] <Tm_T> drive is the device, partition is... what you prolly call drive in Windows
[11:39] <rohit_> partitions
[11:40] <rohit_> 4 partitions on a single sata hard disk.
[11:40] <bazhang> rohit_, any reason to crosspost as two different nicks in #ubuntu and here?
[11:40] <James147> rohit_: what in the live cd is showing one "drive"?
[11:42] <rohit_> it is showing 160 gb hard disk as a single unit even though there are 4 partitions.
[11:42] <James147> rohit_: what is? the installer?
[11:43] <rohit_> yeah kubuntu installer...
[11:44] <daedaluz> rohit_: your hdd is a single unit. look closer for options
[11:44] <James147> rohit_: and what are the options it is giving you?
[11:46] <rohit_> the options are as usual:-
[11:46] <rohit_> ADD ,Delete ,change
[11:46] <James147> rohit_: on the "maunal paritions" page?
[11:46] <rohit_> if i delete ...all the data in the 4 partitions will be lost
[11:46] <rohit_> yeah.....
[11:47] <James147> rohit_: that is right, but where do you want to install it?
[11:48] <James147> rohit_: by shrink and creating a new parition or by overwriting one?
[11:49] <rohit_> i installed windows in cdrive and there are e ,d ,f partitions. These partitions arent visible at installer.It is only showing 160gb hardisk as a single partition.
[11:50] <James147> rohit_: It should be showing your disk with the partitions under it (sda1 sda2 sda3 and sda4 mostlikly... ) these corrispond to the drives in windows
[11:50] <rohit_> no i cant see them....sda1 sda2 sda3 and sda4
[11:50] <James147> rohit_: note: the order might not be the same, you will have to find out which one is which
[11:51] <rohit_> nothing is visible ...what i see is 160gb partition itself...under it everything is blank
[11:51] <James147> rohit_: can you take a screen show of what you can see? and upload it here http://imagebin.ca/ (or similar site)
[11:52] <rohit_> i gave fdisk -l...all the partitions are visible...but partition maanager isnt detecting them...
[11:54] <James147> rohit_: hmm
[11:54] <James147> rohit_: have you tryed restarting the installer? (or prehaps going back then forward again)
[11:54] <rohit_> @James will u be available on channel untill i get screenshots and upload them???
[11:54] <rohit_> yeah!
[11:55] <rohit_> done many times ...
[11:55] <James147> rohit_: probally,
[11:56] <rohit_> k quitting for now and will be right back..Thanks ppl :)
[12:00] <arch0njw> I just noticed that Kubuntu did an automatic update for me.  How do I turn that off?  I want to know what is being installed, not have it do it for me.
[12:01] <arch0njw> And in KPackageKit, under "Settings" on the "Update" tab, I have "Only notify about available updates" checked.
[12:04] <James147> arch0njw: this 'might' be helpful > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates
[12:12] <arch0njw> James147: thanks.  Very interesting.  I swear this didn't happen under Karmic, and this is my computer -- there is no one else around who knows how to do this
[12:15] <James147> arch0njw: dident think any version was set to auto update :S
[12:16] <rohit_> @james147 uploaded images
[12:16] <rohit_> this is my windows > http://imagebin.ca/view/Uj-KB26v.html
[12:17] <rohit_> kubuntu installer>http://imagebin.ca/view/wZBYBV.html
[12:17] <rohit_> fdisk -l >http://imagebin.ca/view/CH8fiE6r.html
[12:19] <James147> rohit_: :S that is weird, I suggest trying to setup the partition useing another program (like partitionmanager or gparted) and se if that helps... If not you could try the text baised installer
[12:20] <rohit_> how to activate text installer in a live cd?
[12:21] <James147> rohit_: i think hitting F4 during the menu will give you extra options (havent tryed it though) otherwise the alternitive cd should work
[12:21] <rohit_> ohk
[12:22] <rohit_> thankyou james.Will try :D
[12:22] <rohit_> bye.Thanks once again :)
[12:27] <shadeslayer> ikonia: ping
[12:34] <azra> hi guys
[12:34] <azra> I am a new linux user
[12:34] <azra> i have instaled Kubuntu 10.04 today
[12:34] <James147> !hi | azra
[12:34] <azra> everything is working fine except sound
[12:35] <James147> azra: can you be more spific? what sound application are not working?
[12:35] <azra> audio playes in both speaker and headphone at the same time
[12:36] <azra> normaly when i insert headphone inbuilt speaker goes off
[12:36] <azra> but it doesnt
[12:36] <azra> what should i do?
[12:36] <azra> i use headphone in home in night
[12:37] <James147> !sound | azra
[12:38] <azra> i can play audio in vlc and amarok
[12:38] <azra> ok i try
[12:39] <James147> azra: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting#Is%20ALSA%20using%20the%20correct%20model?  (direct link to what might be more useful)
[12:39] <azra> James147: "http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3111549.0" is this usefull?
[12:43] <James147> azra: I think direct link I sent will be quite useful (doing something like what it said fixed the problem for me in the past) the link you sent looks more like if sound isnt comming out the speaker clear
[12:43] <azra> ok i try
[12:47] <azra> James147: fgrep -ie 'audio' /etc/group
[12:47] <azra> the output of this command is "audio:x:29:"
[12:47] <azra> James147: it supposed to be audio:x:29:pulse
[12:50] <James147> azra: mine is the same as yours (the details on the page might be fore an older version) since your sound is working I dont think that is your problem though
[12:51] <azra> ok
[12:51] <James147> azra: I think you might find the section "Is ALSA using the correct model?" to help most with your problem
[12:52] <azra> How? i am a new user of ubuntu
[12:54] <James147> azra: Scroll to the section "Is ALSA using the correct model?" and try to do what it says (direct link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting#Is%20ALSA%20using%20the%20correct%20model?)
[12:54] <azra> trying
[12:54] <ikonia> shadeslayer: you called
[12:58] <tau> hey, i installed the kubuntu but i didn't like its theme, how can I do to choose another theme ? is there some tool to personalize a theme, to make one too ?
[12:59] <theuros>  what is the difference if i conect to web server via ftp or ssh ? .. i mean .. i know one i secure .. but i think that mounted sssh works better than mounted ftp ?
[12:59] <James147> tau: (Which theme?) you can change how kubuntu looks by going to system settings > apperence (plasma themes are in Style > Workspace)
[13:00] <tau> James147:  sure, thank you,
[13:00] <azra> it didn't work for me:(
[13:01] <azra> James147: the first link you sent didn't work
[13:02] <azra> i am trying second
[13:02] <James147> azra: try different models, see if one works better then another (when I had this problem I couldnt get it to work prefectly) unforintally I cannot be of more help then that.
[13:03] <azra> James147: I bought 2 dell vostro 1014, ubuntu 10.04 works fine, but kubuntu10.04 having sound problem
[13:03] <azra> James147: in same laptop with same configuration
[13:09] <azra> James147: downloading softwares from net i May take more the 10 minutes,
[13:12] <tau> how can I do to alter the K menu to a less size ?
[13:12] <James147> tau: make it smaller? open it and drag the edges to the size you want
[13:13] <tau> James147:  sure, thank u
[13:13] <tau> James147:  i am not getting to do it
[13:13] <tau> hey, i got, James147 .
[13:15] <tau> James147:  i would like to decrease the panel's size too, do you know how to get this effect ?
[13:15] <reda> plz people i need an accelerator for internet any propositions
[13:15] <tau> James147:  where the panel is the box which contains the K men.
[13:15] <James147> tau: right click the panel -> panel settings > drag the "hight" button
[13:15] <reda> plz people i need an accelerator for internet any propositions
[13:17] <tau> James147:  that's nice, thank you, :))
[13:19] <reda> plz people i need an accelerator for internet any propositions
[13:20] <James147> reda: Not sure I understand what you want? Do you mean you need an accelerometer (or need to get one to work)?
[13:54] <halali> hello to all
[13:54] <tau> hi halali .
[13:54] <tau> hingo:  how are u
[13:54] <halali> could someone gimme a helping hand cuz im new to linux and made something wrong:)?
[13:54] <James147> !hi | halali
[13:54] <James147> !help | halali
[13:55] <halali> okay thanks, and sorry for being inappropriate for the first time here:)
[13:56] <James147> halali: No problem :)
[13:56] <shadeslayer> halali: just try to post your problem in simple english and we will be glad to help out :D
[13:56] <halali> so my problem is that i changed some settings and if i minimize sometthing (eg. firefox) i cannot see it on the panel
[13:57] <halali> i just can reopen it by pressing alt+tab, but cannot just click on the minimized window on the panel
[13:57] <shadeslayer> halali: ah,can you see any other apps in the panel?
[13:57] <James147> halali: Do you still ahve the task bar?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> howdy
[13:57] <tau> i always download some movies from the internet containing rmvb extensions i got the mencoder to convert these files to .avi but i don't know how to use it to. can anyone help me ?
[13:57] <halali> i do have the task bar, and some plazmoids on it but no minimized windows can be seen
[13:58] <shadeslayer> tau: i know  ffmpeg
[13:58] <shadeslayer> halali: right click on the empty space in taskbar > add widgets > Taskbar widget
[13:58] <tau> shadeslayer:  how does it work ?
[13:58] <shadeslayer> tau: with ffmpeg : ffmpeg -i input.rmvb output.avi
[13:59] <tau> hmm, shadeslayer  thank u
[13:59] <shadeslayer> tau: you can set the bit rate and other things as well... just check out the manpage
[13:59] <tau> shadeslayer:  let me ask another thing.
[13:59] <shadeslayer> tau: sure
[14:00] <tau> shadeslayer:  when i compress a movie file to a rmvb file i lose quality but when i decompress a rmvb to one avi file i retrieve the lost quality ?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> tau:no, once data is lost during compression , it's gone forever
[14:02] <tau> BluesKaj:  ;~
[14:02] <tau> BluesKaj:  sure.
[14:02] <tau> BluesKaj:  thank u
[14:02] <shadeslayer> tau: no
[14:03] <tau> shadeslayer:  k
[14:03] <halali> shadeslayer: didnt work:(
[14:03] <azra> James147: i want to play sound through headphone but when i insert headphone audio works but the same time speaker also plays the the same audio which didn't happen in kubuntu9.10
[14:03] <James147> tau: also note that due to the diffrerent ways things are compressed in rmvb and avi there can be some extra quility loss
[14:03] <shadeslayer> halali: you have to drag the widget onto the taskbar
[14:04] <tau> James147:  sure.
[14:04] <James147> azra: sorry, but if the links I sent before dident help I am not sure how else to fix it
[14:04] <tau> James147:  thank u too.
[14:06] <James147> azra: only thing I can suggest is to try an manually mute the channels (although when it did that for me it endfed up muting them both)
[14:07] <azra> James147: :((((((( now i dont hear any sound
[14:07] <tau> azra:  lol
[14:07] <azra> James147: so sad
[14:07] <tau> azra:  it happened to me when i was using debian.
[14:07] <halali> i have 7 widgets on the taskbar, can add easily new ones, delete some, but no minimized windows still
[14:08] <vargadanis> he is missing the task bar from the panel I suppose
[14:08] <tau> azra:  i tried to watch rmvb files when the sound system stopped to work.
[14:08] <James147> halali: the task bar is where the windows appear, the panel is what the widgets appear on... the task bar is a widget
[14:08] <vargadanis> James147, what plasmoid needs to be added to the panel so that the windows appear on the panel?
[14:09] <vargadanis> halali = my bro ... I am as well puzzled by this problem
[14:09] <James147> vargadanis: "Task Manager"
[14:09] <vargadanis> halali, you heard da man, try it! :)
[14:11] <azra> James147: is it work if use reinstall my laptop with ubuntu10.04 and then install kde?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> halali: can you post a screenshot at imagebin
[14:11] <shadeslayer> !imagebin | halali
[14:11] <James147> azra: I do not know, you could try it
[14:12] <azra> James147: i love kde thats why i installed kubuntu, otherwise ubuntu with gnome works for me in 9.10
[14:14] <halali> here is my desktop : http://i49.tinypic.com/t4wt9y.jpg
[14:15] <shadeslayer> halali: ok,see the cashew in the far left...
[14:15] <James147> halali: yup, your are missing teh task manager, right click an empty part of the panel > Add widgets > search for "Task Manager" > drag it back
[14:15] <shadeslayer> halali: click it > Add widgets > Search for "taskbar" > Drag to space between show desktop and indicator
[14:16] <halali> jea, jea i definetly tried what u adviced, unfourtanetely didnt find ''taskbar'' or anything similra to it. Also tried to install new widget, but no match lol?
[14:17] <shadeslayer> halali: weird...
[14:17] <James147> halali: Task manager  (should show if you just type "task"
[14:17] <shadeslayer> halali: install kubuntu-desktop meta package
[14:17] <shadeslayer> in case your missing the deps...
[14:17] <vargadanis> most definitely... I have looked through his widgets too and there were just no such thing as taskbar
[14:18] <vargadanis> halali, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[14:18] <vargadanis> in konsole
[14:26] <halali> thanks for help guys
[14:27] <halali> other question: i used to have nice large icons but they just changed to small ones, and i cannot change the size of icons in settings? didnt change theme or anything
[14:29] <James147> halali: System settings > Apperence > Icons > Advanced > (Icon type you want to change) > Size: To the size you want
[14:30] <vargadanis> how is that possible that from 1 restart to the other the task bar disappears and the icons get small?
[14:30] <vargadanis> cause that is what has happened here
[14:31] <halali> James147: thanks i found where to change icon size, what is funny that nothing happened when i changed to the max size available
[14:37] <halali> thank you for your help guys ill try to do somethingy
[14:39] <James147> vargadanis: Not sure why that wouldent work, but if he dident ahve many settings in kde he could remove ~/.kde to reset everything to the default settings
[14:46] <Whammo> hi I see sometimes Temp:122.6 GiB/180.6 GiB. If that mans what I think it means there is an unusual amount of stuff cached somewhere. can anybody shed some light on this?
[14:48] <James147> Whammo: du -s /*    will give you the total size of all the folder inside root
[14:49] <James147> Whammo:  add -h to make it easier to read :)
[14:51] <Whammo> James147: thanks but more specifically if there is 122 gigs of stuff in a temp folder somewhere other than /tmp I need to know where, right?
[14:52] <James147> Whammo: you do, but the only way I can think of doing that is to du -sh unto each folder untill you find it :)
[14:52] <Whammo> James147: if those are my options, I'll take it!
[14:54] <James147> Whammo: or get http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/filelight?content=99561
[14:55] <Whammo> James147: hmm looks nice
[14:55] <Whammo> filelight
[14:56] <Whammo> whoosp not term ;)
[14:59] <chuckf> when I'm looking for directories over a gig I like to use 'du -h /path/to/dir | grep [0-9]G'
[15:01] <Floo`> Hi, I'm using kubuntu-netbook and I'd want to delete the "Education" menu entry (in the search and launch activity), how I can I do ?
[15:03] <James147> Floo`: Dont think you can in 4.4.* but in 4.5 beta there is an option under "Configure search and launch" > Main menu
[15:03] <Floo`> James147: Ok :(
[15:04] <Floo`> Is 4.5 beta "safe-enough" ? :p
[15:04] <James147> Floo`: check to see if its there but I think it was added in 4.5
[15:04] <shadeslayer> Floo`: nope
[15:04] <Floo`> James147: Yeah I've checked everywhere and didn't find
[15:04] <shadeslayer> Floo`: its not usable atm,some packaging problems..
[15:05] <shadeslayer> Floo`: i would suggest waiting till the final release
[15:05] <James147> Floo`: havent tested it that much but I havnt knoticed any major problems yet (although I have a higher tollerence for crashing programs then most people :) )
[15:05] <Floo`> James147, shadeslayer : Thank you, i'm gonna wait
[15:15] <fabio333> @seen fabio333
[15:18] <petr_> hello!   how to convert PS to PDF ?
[15:20] <James147> Guest64957: You might want to look at ps2pdf :)
[15:20] <fabio333> petr_ ps2pdf
[15:21] <Guest64957> thanks
[15:21] <Guest64957> yes - you are right
[15:21] <Guest64957> A am panik  and do nott saw google
[15:21] <Guest64957> first link in google said me the same
[15:22] <Guest64957> ((((   pdf have bad symbols
[15:23] <Guest64957> ps was good  but pdf became bad
[15:50] <Speeddy|Work> anyone messed with their hosts file since 10.04 came out?
[15:51] <James147> Speeddy|Work: A  little
[15:51] <Speeddy|Work> ok. im having problems with firefox (maybe other apps too, but not certain) respecting what is in there
[15:52] <Speeddy|Work> basically, I have a couple of entries for slow-loading ad server sites in there set to <IP_ADDRESS> but for some reason firefox still appears to try to connect to them
[15:52] <Speeddy|Work> them being the real ip of the site..
[15:53] <James147> Speeddy|Work: Chrome seems to work for me here :S dont have firefox through
[15:54] <Speeddy|Work> ill check chrome and get back to you
[15:56] <stephans_> Hi, I have a problem with kubuntu... in Windows, Mac, Gnome, I can browse to a media file on a network share and click on it to play it... in Kubuntu i insists on downloading the file first! How can I change this behavior so that is meets normal user expectations? Also vls can not use files on a share at all. It says - cant open mrl...
[15:56] <stephans_> help
[15:59] <James147> stephans_: It works here from samba shares in dolphin... what are you using?
[15:59] <stephans_> dolphin.
[16:00] <stephans_> I tried sftp://... to the mac and linux computers...
[16:00] <stephans_> let me try samba...
[16:01] <sebastian_> hey guys im looking for an ftp client with sftp support that has a gui, any ideas?
[16:01] <Speeddy|Work> sebastian_, filezilla
[16:01] <stephans_> james147: VLC is unable to open the MRL<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:01] <Speeddy|Work> stephans_,  sftp is a file transfer protocol, the fact that its trying to download the file is expected behavior if you are using sftp://
[16:01] <bazhang> !info filezilla
[16:02] <sebastian_> thx a lot speedy :)
[16:02] <Speeddy|Work> stephans_, are you trying to use the files without mounting the shares locally?
[16:02] <stephans_> Speeddy|work: I tried smb too.. same result..
[16:02] <James147> stephans_: try replaceing teh %20 with "\ " (backslash + space)
[16:03] <stephans_> Speeddy|work: nope I just browse the network and klick on the file like any normal user would... they expect that to work because that is how it has always worked.
[16:03] <James147> stephans_: Speeddy|Work: and thats how its working on my computer
[16:04] <stephans_> very strange?!
[16:04] <James147> stephans_: although sftp dosent work smb does
[16:04] <stephans_> I wonder what is different?
[16:04] <James147> stephans_: ^^ using kaffenine or dragon player not vlc
[16:05] <stephans_> james147: dragon player just hangs...
[16:05] <James147> stephans_: through smb?
[16:06] <stephans_> james147: yes through smb.
[16:06] <stephans_> is it the vfs that is not working?
[16:07] <James147> stephans_: the share is password protected? (mine is public)
[16:07] <stephans_> because in nautilus I can do all this... using sftp, smb...
[16:08] <stephans_> james147, yes naturally... but i entered the password. Can see all the files, copy them etc...
[16:08] <stephans_> same share works as expected from windows and mac clients... even ubuntu.
[16:08] <stephans_> Not with Kubuntu though... :(
[16:09] <James147> stephans_: not sure why that would be sorry :(
[16:19] <n8w> hey
[16:20] <n8w> im gettin problems installin kubuntu-restricted-extras ......... sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras says that i already have the newest version,but im pretty sure i dont
[16:20] <n8w> kpackage doesnt show KRE as bein installed as well
[16:23] <James147> n8w: what does "aptitude show kubuntu-restricted-extras | grep State" say?
[16:23] <n8w> James147:  State: installed
[16:24] <James147> n8w: looks to be installed :) what makes you think you dont have it?
[16:24] <n8w> James147:  damn this is toaly weird...i mean KRE contain sun java right? why dont i have it then...
[16:24] <James147> n8w: are you using lucid?
[16:24] <n8w> James147:  yes
[16:25] <James147> n8w: suns java was removed in lucid then put back again in partner repo
[16:25] <n8w> James147:  ive uninstall openjdk so ive got no java right now...i would like to use sun java instead of open jdk(cpu 100% when open jdk in use)
[16:26] <n8w> James147:  aha..hmm what am i supposed to do now then?
[16:26] <James147> n8w: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sun-java-moved-to-the-partner-repository-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid.html
[16:26] <bazhang> !partner
[16:27] <n8w> James147:  ohh thx a lot man:)
[16:28] <apparle> n8w: hey did your hiberate problem get solved the other day?
[16:28] <n8w> apparle:  hey
[16:28] <n8w> apparle:  ye man i did uuuu:)))
[16:29] <n8w> apparle:  i was playin around with the s2disk cfg
[16:30] <n8w> apparle:  the problem was that the value for max system image size was too low...i mean there was a default value, so ive increases it to 2.8 G n now it works
[16:31] <n8w> apparle:  i mean not 100% but like 70% i would say...the hibernation process is successful 7 times out of 10 which is ok:)))
[16:32] <apparle> :D
[16:34] <n8w> apparle:  the weird thing was that it didnt say anythin about not havin enough space...i had to increase the level of log diag
[16:35] <n8w> apparle:  thats the way ive found out whats wrong...i tell u,s2disk is great but not on 10.4
[16:35] <apparle> I myself never hibernate, system boots faster normally
[16:36] <n8w> James147:  ok i got the repo...what now
[16:36] <tau> hey, isn't the synaptic a natural package for kubuntu ? is there another package file system as synaptic which is naturaly used in kubuntu ?
[16:36] <James147> n8w: refresh the package list and install suns java :)
[16:36] <n8w> James147:  heh well fcourse ive tried that, but no java;9
[16:36] <James147> tau: kpackagekit is used by kubuntu
[16:36] <tau> i tried to find the synaptic into menu's kubuntu i didn't find it
[16:37] <tau> James147:  hmm, how can I find kpackagekit into kubuntu's menu ?
[16:37] <tau> James147:  what is the name used by it ?
[16:37] <n8w> James147:  aight i got it.....
[16:38] <James147> tau: (alt  + F2 > type kpackagekit) or kmenu (search there or ) > System
[16:38] <n8w> James147:  sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-fonts did the job
[16:39] <tau> James147:  sure, but can I use synaptic instead of kpackagekit, same if i am using kubuntu ? will it not cause me problems ?
[16:39] <James147> tau: It wont couse any problems although you will have alot of gnome dependencys due to it being a gnome application
[16:39] <syncopated_> yo
[16:40] <n8w> James147:  ok everythin works...thx for help man
[16:41] <tau> James147:  hmm, sure, thank u
[16:43] <tau> James147:  but i am looking at kpackagekit i am not seeing sections in the interface, isn't there this view method for kpackagetkit like it exists for synaptic ?
[16:44] <James147> tau: Not sure what you mean - I don't know what synaptic looks like :S
[16:44] <tau> James147:  sure.
[16:47] <tau> James147:  when you said about i have a lot of dependences if i would use synaptic to download file for kde, i didn't understand what it could be such dependences. what are these dependences ? did you intend to say that i would download no needed files ?
[16:48] <James147> tau: I mean it will install some of gnome on your system
[16:49] <tau> James147:  sure, but if i have gnome what will it install further ?
[16:49] <James147> tau: and probally ahve a higher memory footprint as you need both gnome and kde librarys running
[16:50] <James147> tau: if you already have gnome it wont make much difference execpt in memory
[16:50] <tau> James147:  you say hd memory or ram memory ?
[16:51] <James147> tau: memory => ram   HD is called storage or disk space :)
[16:51] <tau> James147:  sure, thank u
[16:51] <tau> James147:  ohh, i am sorry for being boring. can I ask more a thing ?
[16:52] <James147> tau: sure
[16:52] <tau> James147:  isn't it a nice idea to have gnome and kde installed ?
[16:52] <James147> tau: it will take up more disk space but there are no major problems with it
[16:53] <James147> tau: you will also need to load more librarys into memory to run gnome appps on kde (or kde apps on gnome)
[16:53] <tau> James147:  but is it a nice idea if i don't use gnome ? is it a nice idea since it could be complete for some aspects ?
[16:54] <James147> tau: if you dont use gnome then there is little point... it will jsut sue more space. Any gnome app you isntall will install everything it needs to run
[16:55] <James147> tau: I tend to prefure to only use kde apps as I don't want to end up having 2 wallets for passwords or other duplicated behavour running on my system
[16:55] <tau> ja James147  how can I distinguish from a kde application and a gnome application ? when i am looking to download a software i didn't see where it warns of this point.
[16:58] <James147> tau: kde applications tend to ahve a dependency to kdebase-*  gnome to gnome librarys :S other then that you can filter kde or gnome apps in kpackagekit (in the software managment tab at the end of the search field line after filters there is a drop down box "text search" change that to a catogory you want)
[16:58] <James147> tau: also alot of kde apps have a K in the name :)
[16:59] <tau> James147:  sure, thank u
[17:00] <tau> James147:  that shortcut alt+f2 u told me, it is very nice, hehe, now i can access easily the applications.
[17:00] <James147> tau: I tend to only use that now, never really use the menu anymore :D it can also do other things then search applications :)
[17:01] <tau> James147:  yeah
[17:04] <tau> James147:  let me take another doubt. what is the best from kde and gnome ? what is one of the two that has more available applications or more complete ?
[17:04] <James147> !best | tau
[17:05] <tau> or it is more complete*
[17:05] <tau> lol
[17:05] <tau> James147:  sure.
[17:05] <tau> James147:  thank u
[17:14] <jetrii> Whenever I try to upgrade my system with aptitude, it tries to remove Kubuntu components such as Ktorrent and amarok.  and holds back packages that were previously installed on my system... Started happening out of the blue last night
[17:16] <James147> jetrii: I would run "sudo aptitude" and use it interactivly to resolve the issues
[17:16] <James147> jis9lapsc2
[17:16] <James147> dam...
[17:18] <jetrii> James147: Good advice. I figured out why the packaged are being held back, I just can't figure out why aptitude is trying to remove existing packages
[17:19] <jetrii> The packages held back depend on kdelibs5 >= 4.4.4 which is not available on the Kubuntu repository
[17:20] <tau> i am trying to find the quanta plus(a web software developer)  by using the kpackagekit but i am not fetching it, what is the key word which i must look for ?
[17:21] <James147> tau: "quanta"
[17:22] <bertoldo> Hi everyone
[17:22] <tau> James147:  oh yeah, i got it.
[17:22] <tau> James147:  at next i will use only the first word. lol
[17:23] <bertoldo> I'm looking for a guidance to start developing on Kubuntu.
[17:23] <James147> kpackagekit by default only searches the package name so two words tend to confuse it :) you can change it to search teh discription
[17:24] <tau> ja yeah
[17:24] <tau> James147:  yeah
[17:25] <James147> and now to change all my passwords :D
[17:27] <tau> James147:  hum ?
[17:27] <James147> tau: accdently tryed it into the channel :S
[17:27] <tau> James147:  k
[17:28] <James147> O well, was about time I changed it anyway :)
[17:29] <tau> James147:  where are u from
[17:29] <James147> tau: UK
[17:29] <tau> James147:  k
[17:30] <zus> i am trying to change in the preferences for firefox to download a torrent with ktorrent and not kget only i dont see where to change it.
[17:33] <James147> zus: Not sure about firefox spifically but kde in general its at System settings > advanced > File Associations
[17:34] <zus> James147,  thank you bud, i didnt think about checking there...brb
[17:36] <BluesKaj> zus, you can change the default torrent client when you click on the torrent file, you should get a dialog box asking what to use , click on other then choose usr/bin/ktorrent
[17:38] <zus> that worked.
[17:39]  * BluesKaj wonders what worked :)
[17:39] <Peace-> xD
[17:40] <BluesKaj> I use deluge due to it's blocklist option , good for preventing sniffer apps looking for IPs
[17:43] <eagles0513875> hey BluesKaj
[17:43] <BluesKaj> deluge isn't a kde app, but it's a good example of a gtk app that works better for my purposes
[17:43] <BluesKaj> hi eagles0513875
[17:43] <raindog_> BluesKaj: Isn't Deluge a Java app?
[17:44] <tau> hey, i would like to download the wine but i found at kpackagekit a lot of packages available i don't know what are the packages i have to download, what is the package which i need to instal to run common windows applications ?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> raindog_, yeah it's java , but it's tied to gtk libs afaik
[17:45] <James147> tau: wine1.2   should work, but you might have better luck with the current development version from http://www.winehq.org/
[17:46] <tau> James147:  thank u, u are nice.
[17:46] <BluesKaj> tau, wine will run some windows apps
[17:46] <BluesKaj> not all , as James147 pointed out, tau
[17:47] <James147> tau: Also use that site for information on the applications you want to run... not all applications work and alot have glitches in them that site have alot of infor on how ot get things to work
[17:47] <James147> BluesKaj: I ment that 1.2 was the packages he wanted :)
[17:48]  * James147 is shocked to see Left 4 Dead in the top 10 plat list
[17:49] <BluesKaj> winehq doesn't mention all apps , for example preety good solitaire runs great , but isn't listed at winehq
[17:49] <BluesKaj> err pretty good solitaire
[17:49] <tau> James147:  sure.;
[17:49] <James147> BluesKaj: obviously, but it dose try to make a good attempt at it :)
[17:51] <BluesKaj> I almost have wifey convinced to drop vista for kubuntu after showing her how well PGS runs on my lucid box :)
[17:51]  * James147 thinks its time to start testing some games on wine again
[17:52] <tau> hehe, maybe i can run counter strinke by using it.
[17:52] <tau> strike*
[17:52] <BluesKaj> James147, guess i should submit PGS as a candidate for winehq
[17:52] <James147> tau: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=3731 --- looks like it will run well under wine
[17:52] <tau> James147:  nice, i will take a look on it.
[17:53] <BluesKaj> solitaire is about my speed for games  :)
[17:53] <James147> BluesKaj:  :D
[17:53] <James147> BluesKaj: kde has a native client for that :) is emulating it worth it?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> James147, for pretty good solitaire ?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> it's not open source
[17:54]  * BluesKaj looks
[17:54] <James147> BluesKaj: for solitaire in general :S
[17:57] <James147> BluesKaj: "KPatience"  A card game with solitaire games Klondike, Spider, FreeCell and other card games included.
[17:57] <BluesKaj> PGS is written for windows and mac , but runs smoothly and well in wine too
[17:57] <BluesKaj> yes James147 , i have that as well
[17:59] <BluesKaj> well, time put away the tools and saws, rainclouds approaching ...bbl
[18:02] <dcorbin_work> Is there a way to have the "panel" (taskbar) be opaque?
[18:03] <tau> dcorbin_work:  i am not sure but i remember to have seen a option for it in setting options for panel.
[18:04] <apparle> BluesKaj: kpatience has nice solitaire, better than the windows default solitaire. but I have not tried PGS
[18:04] <apparle> dcorbin_work: in desktop settings disable transperancy
[18:05] <apparle> dcorbin_work: sorry not there
[18:08] <gnac> When I maximize windows in KDE, the title bar goes away.  I messed with the setting and even changed window decoration style but haven't been able to fix this.  Is there a specific setting that controls this?
[18:08] <James147> gnac: do you have the netbook version?
[18:09] <gnac> James147: yes, thats what I originally installed. but I am not running plasma-netbook.  This is a recent development btw.
[18:10] <James147> gnac: might want to see if kubuntu-netbook-default-settings  is installed
[18:10] <James147> gnac: (and remove it if it is)
[18:13] <dcorbin_work> tau: i can't see anything there.  There's really nothing there that's very visual.
[18:14] <esperegu> is it possible to have an icon so that when you drop a file on it it will create a symlink in a specified folder to the specific file?
[18:14] <tau> dcorbin_work:  sure.
[18:15] <tau> dcorbin_work:  i was wrong, sorry.
[18:15] <lostsurfpb> algum brasileiro na area?
[18:19] <zus> need help with kmail. when using me emailing with my personal name it shows my zus email
[18:19] <wizkoder> esperegu: I don't think so ;)
[18:19] <zus> um..
[18:20] <zus> when using my personal name it lists the zus email next to it
[18:21] <wizkoder> I installed phpbb3. But how do I access it?
[18:21] <wizkoder> /localhost/phpbb3 does nothing
[18:22] <BluesKaj> wizkoder, how about alt+f2  phpbb3/
[18:23] <wizkoder> BluesKaj: Its a website and not a program
[18:24] <James147> esperegu: Yes :)
[18:25] <esperegu> James147: how?
[18:25] <zus> fixed it: kontact>kmail>settings>configure kmail>identities> *modify in my case*>advance: special transport ...
[18:25] <BluesKaj> wizkoder, oksry, try loclhost:phpbb3
[18:25] <James147> esperegu: managed to do it by creating a bash script and a entry in kmenuedit
[18:26] <esperegu> James147: could you paste me the code?
[18:26] <James147> esperegu: ln -s $1 $HOME/temp/    replacing $HOME/temp/    with the directory you want (it need to exist and be wirteable before you runnit)
[18:27] <wizkoder> BluesKaj: Found it. You have to make a link yourself "ln -s /usr/share/phpbb3 /var/www"
[18:27] <James147> esperegu: (with #!/bin/bash  as the first line in the script)
[18:27] <esperegu> James147: won't $1 contain the whole path?
[18:27] <esperegu> James147: (I was trying something similar with basename)
[18:28] <James147> esperegu: yes and it needs the whole path, you cannot use relitive paths in symlinks
[18:28] <edgy> Hi, gnome automount my partitions/disks which is nice, can kde do the same?
[18:28] <James147> esperegu: you might want to do a check to make sure $1 is a valid path
[18:28] <esperegu> James147: jes. but does ln automatically use the same filename as the link in $HOME/temp/ ?
[18:29] <esperegu> James147: you know how?
[18:29] <James147> esperegu: if the dest is a directory (which $HOME/temp/ is) then it creates a link with the orignal filename
[18:29] <gnac> James147: sorry for the delay, my ssh pipe to my irssi host stalled and I hadn't noticed until if finally timed out.
[18:29] <James147> esperegu: give me a min to remember :)
[18:29] <esperegu> James147: Ok. and how to get it executed?
[18:30] <esperegu> James147: cause I did:
[18:30] <slow-motion> hi
[18:30] <esperegu> #!/bin/sh
[18:30] <esperegu> filename = basename $1
[18:30] <esperegu> ln -s $1 /home/jhaarman/linuxmce/${filename}
[18:30] <esperegu> and it did not work when I dragged it onto that script
[18:31] <James147> esperegu: worked when I did it (dragging a file onto the link I created to the script on my desktop
[18:31] <gnac> James147: yes, I'll try removing kubuntu-netbook-default-settings.
[18:31] <James147> esperegu: that is i created a entry in kmenuedit
[18:32] <esperegu> James147: and you put it on destop?
[18:32] <James147> esperegu: draged it form the menu to my desktop
[18:32] <zus> when trying to send mail with zus account i get this The server responded: "5.5.1 RCPT first. v2sm18881120ybh.4"   i tried to google it  it says search turned up nothing
[18:33] <gnac> James147: sweet, that fixed it.  Thanks
[18:39] <sidHart> in kget i limit connection to just 1 but the 2nd item says stopped. shud it be 'in queue' which makes more sense?  kget used to have this status but not anymore
[18:40] <zus> RUTTIN' Gmail....i fixed my issue...somehow the setting in GMAIL wasnt set..
[18:42] <esperegu> James147: anything special you did with the icon? when I just run the script with the total path of the filename it worus.
[18:42] <esperegu> but dropping it on it  does not
[18:42] <James147> esperegu: http://pastebin.com/8KAa4uQB << checks to see if $1 exists and if you dont already ahve a symlink
[18:43] <James147> esperegu: (i think)
[18:44] <James147> esperegu: I opened kmenuedit > added an entry with the command "bash /home/james/test.sh " in it, then draged that to the desktop
[18:44] <esperegu> sorry. had a Typo in the script path
[18:44] <esperegu> seems to work now
[18:44] <esperegu> cool man
[18:44] <esperegu> thx a lot
[18:44] <FloodBotK1> esperegu: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:44] <esperegu> =)
[18:46] <esperegu> James147: hmmm.
[18:46] <esperegu> James147:  is it also posible to get a popup asking for the filename?
[18:47] <esperegu> looks like it
[18:48] <James147> esperegu: kdialog --inputbox MESSAGE INIT    :)
[18:50] <esperegu> James147: how to use the output of that?
[18:52] <James147> esperegu: filename=`kdialog --inputbox "Enter the path" $HOME`
[18:53] <James147> esperegu: or better yet use --getexistingdirectory
[18:54] <esperegu> James147: where?
[18:55] <esperegu> James147: looking nice this way
[18:57] <James147> esperegu: or --getopenfilename  cant seem to see a way to get files and directorys :(
[19:06] <bandura> hello to all
[19:07] <bandura> how can I install flash player in konqueror?
[19:07] <James147> bandura: sudo aptitude install flashplugin-installer
[19:08] <James147> esperegu: improved the script but havent tested it fully yet http://pastebin.ca/1877408
[19:10] <boby> I need web extractor for (k)ubuntu for ofline web surfing
[19:12] <boby> ?
[19:13] <boby> anybody?
[19:13] <shadeslayer> boby: never heard of such a thing
[19:13] <boby> what?
[19:14] <boby> there are plenty of these softwere but fo win
[19:14] <boby> *software
[19:14] <bandura> james... no luck, I did it, it went ok without any problems, but in the sites, the flash player still needs to be installed...
[19:15] <James147> bandura: make sure you restart konq after the isntall
[19:15] <bandura> ok I will restart and I will be back with news mate
[19:18] <tsdgeos> anyone else having problems with virtuoso/soprano not starting after upgrading to 4.4.4?
[19:19] <tsdgeos> i mean not starting on startup time
[19:19] <tsdgeos> they work if i start them manually
[19:22] <bandura> james no luck... I went to adobe's site, and I can download either the Linux Debugger and Standalone Players for Flash Developers or Adobe Flash Player 10 — Debugger Versions for Netscape-compatible browsers <-- which file should I download and install?
[19:23] <James147> bandura: konq > settings > configure konq > plugins > plugins > "Scan for plugins"
[19:24] <bandura> james: I did it, but nothing changed...
[19:25] <James147> bandura: does it work in other browers?
[19:25] <bandura> firefox is ok, no problem at all
[19:26] <James147> then i would say it is a problem with konq not flash, not sure what to ndo about it though
[19:28] <bandura> ok mate, thank you very much again for you advise
[19:29] <rooster_> hello all
[19:29] <rooster_>  May ask who on here is the staff member of Ubuntu
[19:30] <James147> rooster_: why?
[19:31] <rooster_> I nedd major help with my ubuntu
[19:31] <James147> rooster_: then just ask your question here
[19:31] <rooster_>  I am new at this
[19:31] <rooster_> Ok
[19:33] <rooster_>  I had a friend of mine who downloaded my Ubuntu and I am not to litterate with this new program and I need help to configure my system out to get all the programs functioning properly
[19:33] <James147> rooster_: first off are you running Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[19:34] <rooster_> And I was wondering if some one would Not sure
[19:34] <rooster_> sorry typo
[19:34] <rooster_>  not sure
[19:35] <rooster_> Let me see Ill be right back james
[19:36] <n8w> anyone usin ipod on linux?
[19:37] <James147> n8w: good luck with that :) never had anyluck getting one to work... although I never really tryed that hard
[19:37] <n8w> James147:  well i got to work,but its damn slow
[19:38] <James147> n8w: transfer? or playing the songs?
[19:38] <n8w> James147:  i got the 5th generation so there were some problems related to that,but otherwise kinda str8 up process
[19:38] <n8w> James147:  transfers
[19:39] <n8w> James147:  ive tried gtkpod(or smth) n floola as well
[19:42] <James147> n8w: can't really help with that sorry :S couldnt get mine to work at all
[19:42] <n8w> James147:  which one have u got?
[19:42] <James147> n8w: shuffle I think, but I found it and have never used it :)
[19:43] <James147> n8w: its currently burried in my room somewhere
[19:43] <n8w> James147:  i could not get mine workin as well(out of box) but once u do the restore(reset to defualt settings) process in itunes, everythin works fine
[19:44] <rooster_> Ok james I am using Kubuntu
[19:44] <n8w> James147:  well i hate apple products but i got mine as a present for my bday;)
[19:44] <James147> n8w: I am NOT installing itunes I would rather just not use it... :)
[19:45] <n8w> James147:  hehe ye man, itunes its a horrible soft in all aspects
[19:47] <n8w> James147:  " <James147> n8w: I am NOT installing itunes I would rather just not use it... :)" hehe quote of the day
[19:50] <rooster_> im back
[19:50] <rooster_>  rooster
[19:50] <benkevan> welcome back rooster_
[19:51] <rooster_>  benkeven please help me
[19:53] <James147> !help | rooster_
[19:56] <rooster_> Jame I already asked the question twice and answered your question
[19:56] <rooster_>  I am using Kubuntu
[19:57] <James147> rooster_: sorry dident see it (use my full name and it highlighs the message for me so i am more likmly to see it)
[19:58] <James147> rooster_: also what spific problems are you having with it?
[19:58] <rooster_> I asked can some one help me to config my kubuntu to what programs are working properly amd what is not
[20:00] <James147> rooster_: you want to know which of your programs are working? well my guess would be all of them... or at least they should be... are you having problems with any specific program?
[20:01] <rooster_> <James147  I've Downloaded wine so that I could have some programs from windows
[20:02] <rooster_> and from there I ran into major trouble
[20:02] <rooster_> wine doesn't work properly
[20:03] <rooster_> Explorer doesnt work properly
[20:04] <James147> !appdb | rooster_
[20:04] <rooster_> none of the windows program that I downloaded through Wine work properly I think I didn'tinstall the programs correctly
[20:04] <James147> rooster_: you might want to try asking in #winehq as they are morelikly to know how to solve wine related problems
[20:05] <rooster_> James: When I tried to Completely uninstall all of wine off my compter it wouldn't let me
[20:06] <James147> rooster_: how did you try to uninstall it?
[20:06] <rooster_>  Synapatic manager
[20:07] <rooster_> Synapatic Manager
[20:07] <James147> rooster_: what error does it give when you try to remove it?
[20:08] <rooster_> I wanted to completely uninstall it completely and start all over again
[20:08] <rooster_> hang on ill get it
[20:09] <James147> rooster_: deleteing ~/.wine   will remove all of wines config files and windows programs it installed thats probally all you really ned to do to start from sctarch in wine
[20:09] <James147> rooster_: Note: ~/ means your home directory (/home/USERNAME)
[20:10] <James147> rooster_: but you really should ask in #winehq about how to configure wine
[20:10] <rooster_> ok
[20:10] <rooster_> ty
[20:10] <rooster_>  Have a good day
[20:10] <vbgunz__> something in the latest kubuntu update on my machine completely broke sleep and suspend. trying to do either does nothing but lock my screen. what in the world happened?
[20:24] <jimmy51_> how can i make dolphin use the "details" view by default, all the time?
[20:28] <user__> Hi all
[20:30] <Giuse> Somone  can support me? i need to migrate a domain (AD)
[21:25] <slavik0329> Is the difference in performance on kubuntu that much better for an older computer than ubuntu?
[21:50] <a1csc> Where THE F is the httpd config file for apache2 when installed in ubuntu server by sudo apt-get install apache2...
[21:50] <a1csc> I need to change the default document directory
[21:50] <Daughain> Anyone know the path for gedit?
[22:01] <daedaluz> anyone else having problem of krunner suddenly missing and not starting= 10.04
[22:17] <billylapuzzola> ciao
[22:40] <emil_> hi
[22:40] <emil_> someone is using karamba?
[23:16] <Daughain> Can anyone help me figure out why kde doesnt like my wireless all of a sudden?
[23:22] <RadSurfer> HELP! Problems with a fresh install of 10.4 LTS... screen size not being retained, audacity causes reboot of system... any ideas?
[23:24] <slow-motion> n8
[23:27] <odhinn> Afternoon, all
[23:37] <RadSurfer> kununtu is touchie on some MBs isn't it.
[23:37] <RadSurfer> Why is kubuntu 10.4 not retaining my SCREEN RESOLUTION? can someone help please?
[23:41] <odhinn> RadSurfer: What do you mean, it's not retaining your res from one boot to the next?
[23:49] <W5WMW> Hello.  I have a bug to report, but I'm pretty new at that.  It should be an easy one, if anyone is interested.
[23:50] <W5WMW> In Kubuntu Netbook Remix 10.04 installation CD, there is a minor problem when we get to the partitioning part...
[23:50] <W5WMW> If you want to report this bug for me, privately message me.  Thanks.  I'll be here for a few minutes.
[23:55] <RadSurfer> I want to set Video card to 1024x768, every time I boot in its back to 1280x1024
[23:57] <odhinn> RadSurfer: what kind of Video card are you using?
[23:57] <RadSurfer> Its apparently an asus with 32mb, don't know numbers off hand. AGP
[23:57] <odhinn> laptop, or desktop?
[23:58] <RadSurfer> Desktop via micro-form factor P4 MB
[23:59] <RadSurfer> is there some special way you have to log in, or launch configuration tools before they "SAVE" what you tell them?


[08:04] <bkerensa> philipballew: should be a new Ubuntu Touch announcement tomorrow :D
[08:05] <philipballew> bkerensa, link to info?
[08:05] <bkerensa> philipballew: there is no link
[08:06] <philipballew> bkerensa, I have no money for all these things they want people to buy
[08:06] <bkerensa> oh its not a buy thing
[08:06] <philipballew> I tend to spend my money on plane tickets
[08:06] <bkerensa> just to announce how they implemented one thing
[08:06] <bkerensa> I guess also that aside from the UI... Ubuntu Touch will change drastically by year end
[08:07] <bkerensa> since right now its just on android barebones
[08:07] <bkerensa> eventually they are going to transition it to a base they build from the ground up
[08:07] <philipballew> bkerensa, makes sense
[08:08] <philipballew> bkerensa, when do we need to start to get ready for oscon?
[08:08] <bkerensa> philipballew: get ready?
[08:08] <bkerensa> its months from now and no word on Canonical yet
[08:08] <philipballew> bkerensa, make sure we have a booth and stuff.
[08:08] <bkerensa> they do not even open applications for booths until the month before the event
[08:09] <philipballew> I hope you dont have a headache like last year.
[08:09] <philipballew> getting the booth and stuff
[08:09] <bkerensa> Oh I am not doing any planning
[08:09] <bkerensa> Canonical is buying the booth and running the show this year
[08:09] <bkerensa> not the loco
[08:09] <bkerensa> people will contribute but Canonical is taking over the booth etc
[08:10] <philipballew> Is that good or bad?
[08:10]  * bkerensa shrugs
[08:10] <bkerensa> Its good to have a booth
[08:10] <bkerensa> less work for me... so I its win right?
[08:10] <philipballew> oh well, dont matter to me since i'll be there to help either way
[08:11] <bkerensa> I just know they asked how many volunteers we could have from our loco and I have them some numbers
[08:11] <bkerensa> They only get three passes I think
[08:11] <bkerensa> two are exhibitor and one for actual sessions
[08:14] <philipballew> nice to see the place I used to go to get a list of lugs in ca is running well
[08:14] <philipballew> http://linuxusergroups.org/
[08:14] <darthrobot> Title: [HaCkEr By Dr.HaCkEr]
[08:14] <philipballew> bkerensa, you can usually get more if needed
[08:14] <bkerensa> philipballew: if you pay yeah
[08:15] <philipballew> ah, I see
[08:15] <bkerensa> Booths get one Special pass and two exhibitor passes (just good for expo floor and early setup)
[08:15] <bkerensa> every extra pass cost regular rates
[08:16] <bkerensa> The only reason we had more passes last year is because I had a speaker pass so I didn't need the main pass
[08:16] <philipballew> I sent in a talk so hoping that gets approved
[08:16] <philipballew> well see
[08:16] <philipballew> also sent in several to texas linux fest
[09:00] <bkerensa> philipballew: oh cool let me know if you do a talk... Would love to come listen
[09:01] <philipballew> perfect.
[18:03] <kdub> ubunews!
[19:50] <philipballew> grantbow, around?


[00:00] <coxn> lulz
[00:00] <coxn> okay so!
[00:00] <coxn> #startmeeting
[00:00] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 00:00. The chair is coxn.
[00:00] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:00] <coxn> [TOPIC] Chair Team and order
[00:00] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Chair Team and order
[00:01] <coxn> So... umm... did holstein leave notes with anyone about what exactly needed to be discussed as far as that goes?
[00:01] <_marx_> the wiki looks a lot different
[00:02] <internalkernel> not with me, but I believe he had a list of people willing to chair...
[00:02] <internalkernel> though I dont know who's next...
[00:02] <coxn> so! I'm chair now
[00:02] <BugeyeD> did he not send the list out?
[00:02] <internalkernel> its prolly BugeyeD tho...
[00:02] <coxn> hurm
[00:03]  * coxn looks in the list archive
[00:03] <BugeyeD> yup, october 6
[00:03] <_marx_> yeah notes for the next chair...
[00:03] <BugeyeD> akgraner is next, though all things considered we may have to fill in for her
[00:03] <coxn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorthCarolinaTeam/Meeting/Agenda/MeetingChairAgendaPlanningPage
[00:04] <coxn> right so... do we need to add people or otherwise alter that page?
[00:04] <coxn> any volunteers to fill in for akgraner?
[00:05] <BugeyeD> what's the date?
[00:05] <_marx_> it'd be the Jan 11 meeting
[00:05] <internalkernel> Ill fill in for akgraner if needed...
[00:05] <_marx_> or no Dec 10
[00:06] <_marx_> oh gee
[00:06] <internalkernel> I thought we were monthly now...
[00:06] <internalkernel> so first wed in Jan
[00:06] <_marx_> right
[00:06] <internalkernel> Jan 4th - Tues
[00:06] <coxn> Wednesday
[00:06] <_marx_> i forgot today is 12-1
[00:06] <internalkernel> sounds about right
[00:06] <coxn> so 5th Jan
[00:06] <BugeyeD> i'll try to backup ik
[00:07] <coxn> are we agreed that the next meeting is 5th Jan?
[00:07] <_marx_> yep
[00:07] <coxn> and who will be chair then?
[00:07] <BugeyeD> yup. if ak is unavailable, ik volunteers. and i'll back up ik.
[00:08] <coxn> okay
[00:08] <coxn> aside: "ik" is a nick I'm familiar with in another context. Confusing!
[00:08] <BugeyeD> but someone else will have to tell me if i have to fill in for ik, because i'm ignoring him
[00:08] <internalkernel> internalkernel:
[00:08] <internalkernel> ik
[00:08] <coxn> lulz
[00:08] <coxn> okay!
[00:08] <internalkernel> lmao
[00:09] <coxn> so are there any action items on chairs?
[00:09] <internalkernel> none that I know of...
[00:09] <internalkernel> holstein: may have some input... :D
[00:10] <coxn> okay! I'll make an impromptu next topic that's related, then
[00:10]  * _marx_ notes he has Feb
[00:10] <coxn> [TOPIC] Automated meeting reminders
[00:10] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Automated meeting reminders
[00:10] <internalkernel> yes, plain text ones too
[00:10] <coxn> there was discussion on the list of having automated reminders about these meetings
[00:11] <coxn> do we have a volunteer to implement that, and if so, what's the schedule/plan?
[00:11] <internalkernel> right now, I have a reminder to do it... that's about as far as I've gotten...
[00:12] <BugeyeD> i can try to cron something if nobody else gets around to it.
[00:12] <internalkernel> I think I can send it from my subscribed address through a cron job though...
[00:12] <coxn> "Dewey Hylton" volunteered on the list
[00:12] <BugeyeD> it'd be simple with python. or even shell if you use sendmail
[00:12] <coxn> pardon my ignorance, but is that one of you?
[00:12] <BugeyeD> just some jerk
[00:13] <BugeyeD> smee
[00:13] <internalkernel> Im ignoring both of them
[00:13] <coxn> okay! :P
[00:13] <BugeyeD> it's me
[00:13] <coxn> BugeyeD: do you want/need any help?
[00:13] <coxn> BugeyeD: also, would you document what you implement in the wiki?
[00:14] <BugeyeD> i can document, no prob. as for help,
[00:14] <coxn> who is a list admin?
[00:14] <_marx_> i'm one
[00:14] <BugeyeD> let's try to decide on content. that'd help.
[00:14] <BugeyeD> then i could just automate squirting out the email.
[00:14] <_marx_> BugeyeD: i'll send you my reminder template
[00:15] <coxn> BugeyeD: I think the date, time, and wiki links
[00:15] <BugeyeD> excellent
[00:15] <coxn> perfect
[00:15] <coxn> [ACTION] BugeyeD will work with _marx_ to set up and document automated meeting reminders to the list
[00:15] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  BugeyeD will work with _marx_ to set up and document automated meeting reminders to the list
[00:16] <coxn> [TOPIC] Asheville Advocacy ideas
[00:16] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Asheville Advocacy ideas
[00:16] <coxn> okay... I have no idea what's going on in Asheville
[00:16] <_marx_> ah, a report email to the team list, reporting on the proceeds of the meeting
[00:16] <coxn> who all is in Asheville?
[00:17] <internalkernel> |o|
[00:17] <internalkernel> so is holstein
[00:17] <_marx_> that ik guy everyone is blocking
[00:18] <coxn> Well... out with the ideas
[00:18] <internalkernel> no, that's only BugeyeD but its his own fault
[00:18] <internalkernel> what ideas?
[00:18] <internalkernel> who posted that area anyways?
[00:18] <coxn> holstein did
[00:18] <internalkernel> right...
[00:19] <coxn> I'm feeling like a terrible meeting chair, y'all
[00:19] <coxn> :P
[00:19] <internalkernel> I thought you were doing well...
[00:19] <internalkernel> lol
[00:19] <coxn> right so... what connections do we have to UNC-A?
[00:19] <coxn> any?
[00:19] <internalkernel> not for me...
[00:19] <coxn> anybody know anybody in CompSci there?
[00:20] <coxn> I'll toss that out as something that should be explored
[00:20] <internalkernel> nope... been a long time since I set foot on a campus
[00:20] <_marx_> nothing direct that i know of, there have been students floating through here
[00:20] <internalkernel> but I agree I would imagine there are some good folks there
[00:20] <coxn> any business in town that might be willing to host an in-person meeting?
[00:20] <_marx_> at least a year ago
[00:20] <internalkernel> yeah we use firestorm cafe to host events
[00:21] <coxn> sounds good
[00:21] <internalkernel> it's always available... they have Ubuntu kiosks in there for customers
[00:21] <coxn> neat!
[00:21] <internalkernel> but we havent had anything planned...
[00:21] <internalkernel> lately anways
[00:21] <coxn> well, I suggest you reach out to the Uni... see if you can convince somebody on campus to host a campus mirror
[00:22] <coxn> even if they limit access, that'd be a good step
[00:22] <coxn> anybody else have any ideas?
[00:23] <coxn> [IDEA] Reach out to UNC-A about ubuntu events, mirror, etc.
[00:23] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  Reach out to UNC-A about ubuntu events, mirror, etc.
[00:23] <coxn> [IDEA] schedule and promote an in-person meeting at firestorm café
[00:23] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  schedule and promote an in-person meeting at firestorm café
[00:24] <coxn> Asheville people: what are the local tech media channels?
[00:24] <coxn> is there an indy paper that folks read?
[00:24] <coxn> does somebody maintain a local events calendar?
[00:24] <coxn> internalkernel: ?
[00:24] <coxn> BugeyeD: ?
[00:25] <coxn> _marx_: ?
[00:25] <internalkernel> yeah there's a weekly paper - I cant think of the name...
[00:25] <internalkernel> tip of the tongue
[00:25] <internalkernel> ...
[00:25] <coxn> internalkernel: if you scheduled a meeting, could you get them to run an announcement?
[00:25] <internalkernel> certainly worth a shot...
[00:26] <_marx_> craigslist, hadden thought of that
[00:26] <coxn> _marx_: good call
[00:26] <coxn> [IDEA] promote ubuntu meetups on craigslist
[00:26] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  promote ubuntu meetups on craigslist
[00:26] <coxn> last call for Asheville-related ideas
[00:27] <coxn> going once...
[00:27] <coxn> twice...
[00:27] <coxn> okay!
[00:27] <coxn> internalkernel: are you going to schedule an in-person event in Asheville?
[00:28] <_marx_> this Saturday even
[00:28] <internalkernel> Im making a note of that very thing now...
[00:28] <coxn> _marx_: would you be in charge of publicity if ik did that?
[00:28] <internalkernel> let me coordinate with holstein and I'll update the group
[00:28] <coxn> I'm going to make that an action
[00:28] <internalkernel> good
[00:29] <_marx_> in charge of, well i don't social media a lot, CL and FB sure
[00:29] <coxn> [ACTION] internalkernel will coordinate with holstein and others to schedule a f2f mtg in Asheville
[00:29] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  internalkernel will coordinate with holstein and others to schedule a f2f mtg in Asheville
[00:29] <coxn> CL and FB sound good to me
[00:29] <coxn> [ACTION] _marx_ will promote a meeting scheduled by internalkernel on CL and FB
[00:29] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  _marx_ will promote a meeting scheduled by internalkernel on CL and FB
[00:30] <coxn> okay!
[00:30] <coxn> moving on
[00:30] <coxn> [TOPIC] RDU Opportunities
[00:30] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  RDU Opportunities
[00:30] <coxn> TriLUG is having an organizational meeting tomorrow night
[00:30] <coxn> I'm on the Steering Committee for that... full disclosure
[00:31] <coxn> we used to have 501(c)(3) status, but it lapsed.
[00:31] <internalkernel> cool
[00:31] <coxn> we'll be talking about re-incorporation, under what form, and associated costs, etc.
[00:32] <coxn> if folks committed to Ubuntu were to play a strong-ish role in that, I'd be happy about it
[00:32] <coxn> we've been meeting at Red Hat for years, and something to balance that a bit more strongly in terms of organization would be good
[00:33] <coxn> not that I have anything against Red Hat -- I don't
[00:33] <coxn> we should just make sure that it's not a Red Hat show.
[00:33] <_marx_> location can be tough
[00:33] <coxn> okay... and the 9th is our December meeting, which will be at splatspace in durham
[00:34] <coxn> http://trilug.org/wiki/Meeting:2010_December_9
[00:34] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://trilug.org/wiki/Meeting:2010_December_9
[00:34] <internalkernel> access to a car is limited for me... but I will look into getting involved however I can...
[00:34] <coxn> http://splatspace.org/location/
[00:34] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://splatspace.org/location/
[00:35] <coxn> internalkernel: where are you?
[00:35] <internalkernel> asheville
[00:35] <internalkernel> wife has the car mostly, since I travel for work
[00:35] <coxn> ah.
[00:35] <_marx_> he lies, he's 15
[00:36] <coxn> remote for you, then. :)
[00:36] <coxn> okay... that's everything I have for the schedule
[00:36] <coxn> anybody else have something to add?
[00:36] <coxn> another topic we should cover before we close things out?
[00:36] <_marx_> lug news
[00:37] <coxn> [TOPIC] LUG News
[00:37] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  LUG News
[00:37] <coxn> do tell
[00:37] <_marx_> for Piedmont, Winston G'boro
[00:37] <_marx_> long standing plug list has a troll that is also the founder
[00:38] <coxn> oof
[00:38] <BugeyeD> you have no idea
[00:38] <coxn> where is that list hosted?
[00:38] <BugeyeD> wfu
[00:39] <_marx_> I'd like to try to get that small herd of cats to hold a real event
[00:39] <coxn> cottrell?
[00:39] <BugeyeD> yup
[00:39] <coxn> I'd suggest securing a meeting location that's not a bar
[00:39] <_marx_> he's cool +2 for Allin
[00:39] <BugeyeD> no, no, alin is not the troll
[00:40] <_marx_> Allin is that group's connection to wfu
[00:40] <BugeyeD> but i believe he's the reason wfu is hosting the list
[00:41] <_marx_> he's a roll your own guy, os and smokes
[00:41] <coxn> okay so... can you connect with Allin to have a meeting space at WFU?
[00:42] <_marx_> some swag and PR for a PLUG sponsored event
[00:42] <_marx_> coxn: last time i did i had no response
[00:42] <coxn> _marx_: is there a business you could have host?
[00:43] <coxn> _marx_: would more than about 15 people come? If not, many businesses would have a board room that could fit your meetup
[00:43] <_marx_> i know this opensuse user that talks to his wife...
[00:44] <coxn> _marx_: my suggestion is that you try to put together a list of local businesses that might have a linuxhead on staff who could play chaperone
[00:44] <coxn> get one to host you
[00:44] <coxn> anything else before I close us out?
[00:45] <_marx_> we've done that in the past coxn
[00:45] <_marx_> done
[00:45] <coxn> okay!
[00:45] <coxn> anything I need to do about the minutes?
[00:45] <coxn> #endmeeting
[00:45] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 00:45.
[00:46] <internalkernel> w00t!
[00:47] <_marx_> dang i need to reboot
[00:48] <_marx_> new kernel
[00:48] <coxn> heh
[00:48] <coxn> on neat!
[00:48] <coxn> http://mootbot.ubuntu-uk.org/ubuntu-us-nc.20101202_0000.html
[00:48] <coxn> somebody pester the list with that. :)
[00:48] <_marx_> 6 days, figured the storms last night would do it for me
[00:52]  * _marx_ goes to say yes dear