[12:03] <mdz> xenonite: it is localized for as many languages as we could fit
[12:03] <mdz> xenonite: which one did you try?
[12:05] <Pointwood> apokryphos: after changing sources.list (taken from this: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/view?searchterm=hoary%20upgrading ), the command I need to issue is apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[12:06] <apokryphos> Pointwood: that will get you hoary
[12:06] <Pointwood> cool
[12:06] <apokryphos> 8)
[12:07] <Pointwood> 675 upgraded, 163 newly installed, 28 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[12:07] <Pointwood> 7 not fully installed or removed.
[12:07] <Pointwood> Need to get 268MB/478MB of archives.
[12:07] <Pointwood> After unpacking 251MB of additional disk space will be used.
[12:07] <Pointwood> will take some time :)
[12:07] <apokryphos> Heh, yup. For all the details and to know what you're doing, check the "installingKDE" article on the wiki
[12:08] <Pointwood> it estimates ~15 min. to download it
[12:08] <Pointwood> will do
[12:08] <apokryphos> sweet
[12:09] <Pointwood> hopefully I'll end up with something that's not completely broken :p
[12:10] <apokryphos> apt upgrades have generally gone very well, as far as I've seen
[12:10] <Pointwood> yeah, that's what I hear :)
[12:10] <Pointwood> :)
[12:10] <apokryphos> let me know if you have any more problems/questions
[12:10] <Pointwood> thx
[12:10] <Pointwood> I'll go read up on kubuntu :)
[12:11] <incubii> kubuntu installed nicely
[12:14] <dimmak> i am gonna try this: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor/view?searchterm=resolution ...for my dell 2405fpw issue... If I am successful, I will be sure to tell.
[12:15] <dimmak> i should probably apt-get and do the nvidia driver installation too in recovery mode
[12:18] <phxguy> can anyone help me with my nvidia card
[12:20] <dimmak> maybe me... what is your problem?
[12:20] <phxguy> i have installed the nvidia drivers un ubuntu but now that i am in Kubuntu the nvidia control panel; doesn't open
[12:21] <incubii> not a real loss
[12:21] <incubii> lol
[12:21] <dimmak> try running it from a terminal and see what errors you get.
[12:23] <phxguy> Geez!!! Im Such a Dub-ass sometimes....
[12:23] <phxguy> i had a typo in the command in the menu =)
[12:23] <Pointwood> you said that yourself ;)
[12:24] <phxguy> lol
[12:24] <dimmak> well... good that it is remedied
[12:24] <Pointwood> and it looks like no one is arguing with you :p
[12:24] <phxguy> thanks
[12:24] <phxguy> wouldn't have thought of checking the command till you said to run it in a terminal window
[12:25] <dimmak> cool
[12:25] <phxguy> anyone here know anything about modprobe errors????
[12:25] <dimmak> i am currently doing a reprobe of my monitor to get my dell 2405fpw display working: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor/view?searchterm=resolution
[12:26] <phxguy> I followed the instruction on ubuntuguide.org and added pciehp to the blacklist file... but i still get the error:  modprobe fatal error  inserting pciehp....... device does not exist
[12:32] <dimmak> the dell 2405fpw is currently probed with id: dell 2405fpw, a max res of 1680x1680, freq: 30-81 56-76, distype: crt .... wrong wrong wrong
[12:34] <dimmak> i remember when installing it to my laptop after the first restart i was able to check what the display resolutions would be... i didn't get the same privilege when installing on my desktop... i immediately was presented with a "cannot display" error from my monitor after the first restart
[12:43] <dimmak> no easy work around... i'll just take a break for a while before i go in to manually edit config files
[12:58] <Brian_P> can anyone help me get my nvidia 3d working?  I updated the driver with Kynaptic and rebooted and still no 3d...
[12:59] <Brian_P> anybody home here?  lol
[01:01] <billytwowilly> Brian_P:
[01:01] <Brian_P> hi
[01:01] <billytwowilly> you probably have to edit your xorg.conf
[01:01] <Brian_P> ok
[01:01] <Brian_P> I know how to do dthat
[01:01] <billytwowilly> I did for the ati drivers anyway.
[01:01] <Brian_P> just wasnt sure I needed too
[01:02] <Brian_P> to
[01:02] <Brian_P> Thanks Billy
[01:02] <billytwowilly> np.
[01:02] <billytwowilly> hopefully that works for you.
[01:02] <Brian_P> was going to make a flaming comment, but you quelled my urge
[01:02] <billytwowilly> check the wiki out too.
[01:02] <Brian_P> :D
[01:02] <billytwowilly> that should have a fairly complete howto on how to get it all set up.
[01:02] <Brian_P> ok
[01:03] <Brian_P> where is the wiki?
[01:03] <billytwowilly> which is probably why noone else was saying anything.
[01:03] <billytwowilly> ubuntulinux.org
[01:03] <Brian_P> no one else was saying anything cuz their all dead stiffs  :D
[01:05] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[01:06] <FX|Laptop> I just installed kubuntu through apt and it seems pretty nice
[01:06] <FX|Laptop> Couple of questions though.
[01:06] <FX|Laptop> Can I get icons for like say the trash can and my home on the desktop and if so how?
[01:09] <apokryphos> For Home: Right-click > Create New > Link to Location. Then enter /home/user
[01:10] <FX|Laptop> duh..........thanks. lol
[01:10] <apokryphos> For trash, same thing
[01:10] <apokryphos> link to: trash:/
[01:10] <Pointwood> apokryphos: upgrade finished :)
[01:10] <apokryphos> cool
[01:10] <Pointwood> I guess I should restart then :)
[01:10] <apokryphos> yup
[01:10] <apokryphos> kernel reboot
[01:11] <Pointwood> there goes my (not so excellent) uptime :p
[01:11] <apokryphos> how many hours?
[01:12] <apokryphos>  00:12:37 up 3 days -- not bad, for me.
[01:12] <Pointwood>  01:12:23 up 17 days,  1:50,  8 users,  load average: 1.33, 1.62, 1.64
[01:12] <apokryphos> heh
[01:13] <Pointwood> 8 users?
[01:13] <apokryphos> weird; mine has just the two.
[01:14] <FX|Laptop> I need to find a email notification like gnome has.
[01:15] <apokryphos> Supported in Kmail
[01:15] <FX|Laptop> I use Thunderbird
[01:15] <apokryphos> you can also have it tell you how many new in systray icon
[01:16] <apokryphos> Not sure if it has a feature for that; possibly not.
[01:16] <Pointwood> I've tried to like Evolution, but that was a no go in warty at least
[01:16] <Pointwood> I'm using Thunderbird
[01:17] <apokryphos> Evolution is not bad, and Thunderbird isn't too bad if a little simple. Kontact's tight intergration is hard to ignore, though. Kmail is sweet.
[01:18] <Pointwood> I was trying to live with as many gnome apps as possible since Ubuntu is gnome based :)
[01:18] <Pointwood> I like Thunderbird
[01:19] <apokryphos> Sure; whatever floats your boat. :)
[01:19] <Pointwood> yeah :)
[01:19] <Pointwood> but if I switch to kubuntu, who knows ;)
[01:20] <FX|Laptop> hmm how can I configure systray?
[01:21] <apokryphos> FX|Laptop: what are you looking to change?
[01:21] <FX|Laptop> Well I would like to get some kind of email notification.
[01:22] <apokryphos> oh, you'll have to check w/Thunderbird. Not sure if it has a tray icon, even.
[01:23] <FX|Laptop> I was looking for something maybe in superkaramba
[01:23] <FX|Laptop> Thunderbird has a sound notification, but really doesn't work well.
[01:24] <jsubl2> where is the faq that gives you the deb sources for w32codecs
[01:24] <apokryphos> jsubl2: you can't get it from apt?
[01:25] <jsubl2> really
[01:25] <mainer> apt-get install w32codecs
[01:25] <apokryphos> FX|Laptop: kde-look.org is your best bet, for that. Though doubtful, as kmail is kde's email client.
[01:25] <jsubl2> Couldn't find package w32codecs.. i must be missing a line in my sources.list
[01:26] <apokryphos> jsubl2: yup; one sec, I'll find you the link
[01:26] <jsubl2> thank you
[01:26] <apokryphos> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/restrictedformats
[01:26] <apokryphos> should be mentioned there
[01:26] <jsubl2> thanks
[01:27] <apokryphos> np
[01:27] <mainer> sorry i use debian repositorys at times
[01:36] <Pointwood> apokryphos: upgrade seems to have gone resonable well, though I have a sound problem
[01:36] <apokryphos> no sound?
[01:38] <Pointwood> I got "system sounds", but I tried playing the net radio I usually listen to with mplayer and that was a no go
[01:38] <Pointwood> xmms wouldn't play either
[01:39] <apokryphos> hm, I'm actually pretty bad with hardware ;-). Hmm, are your alsamixer settings alright?
[01:39] <Pointwood> I have no idea :)
[01:40] <apokryphos> terminal > alsamixer
[01:40] <apokryphos> check that, say, Master is up, and PCM..
[01:40] <Pointwood> hrm...rythmbox can play
[01:40] <apokryphos> aha
[01:40] <apokryphos> It's likely an engine issue, then.
[01:42] <Pointwood> yeah
[01:43] <apokryphos> Pointwood: not an amaroK fan?
[01:43] <apokryphos> It's very good. :)
[01:43] <Pointwood> apokryphos: does it play .asf streaming? ;)
[01:44] <apokryphos> no idea; I only use it for MP3s. You could check on their site
[01:44] <Pointwood> this is what I want to play: http://wmsc.dr.dk/e02ch03m?wmcontentbitrate=300000/.wma
[01:45] <ca_ca> which player plays mms streaming
[01:45] <ca_ca> ?
[01:45] <Pointwood> windows media player :/
[01:46] <ca_ca> only wmp?
[01:46] <Pointwood> mplayer can do it too
[01:46] <FX|Laptop> Thanks for the help
[01:46] <ca_ca> no linux-player?
[01:46] <Pointwood> mplayer is a linux player ;)
[01:47] <ca_ca> i know but i cannot play mms-links
[01:47] <ca_ca> some mms-links
[01:48] <Pointwood> it worked here in mplayer, until I upgrade to hoary
[01:48] <apokryphos> Not quite sure; might have a plugin etc.. you can try in #amarok -- channel is generally reasonably active.
[01:48] <Pointwood> k
[01:49] <Pointwood> however I want to get mplayer to work again anyway
[01:49] <apokryphos> suffice it to say, they have one of the most active developemtn teams I've ever seen
[01:50] <apokryphos> Does your mplayer work with other things? Did you install it using the instructions described on the Wiki?
[01:50] <Pointwood> hrm...where have they put synaptic
[01:50] <apokryphos> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/restrictedformats
[01:50] <Pointwood> and how do I edit the applications menu?
[01:50] <ca_ca> are u using mozplugger?
[01:50] <apokryphos> kmenuedit
[01:51] <Pointwood> I haven't ugraded to kubuntu yet
[01:51] <ca_ca> u better use mozilla-mplayer
[01:51] <apokryphos> Pointwood: oh, ok.
[01:51] <Pointwood> I should prolly ask in #ubuntu :)
[01:51] <apokryphos> Perhaps. I'm off to bed; late here. :)
[01:51] <apokryphos> Good luck
[01:51] <Pointwood> laters
[01:51] <Pointwood> it's late here too ;)
[02:58] <phxguy> hi... Can anybody here suggest a good CD burning program that will support .iso's
[03:25] <mdz> phxguy: k3b seems to be popular
[03:32] <HostingGeek> kubuntu shouldn't call it self GNU/Linux
[03:32] <HostingGeek> It doesn't use GNU tool kit
[03:32] <HostingGeek> it doesn't use GNU's DE
[03:32] <HostingGeek> (GNOME)
[03:32] <HostingGeek> It should just be called 'linux'
[03:33] <HostingGeek> or KDE/Linux
[03:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't get my multimedia keys to work as keyboard shortcuts.
[03:46] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: use ubuntu
[03:47] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: kde sucks because they still call it GNU/Linux when they are not using ALL the gnu tools
[03:47] <HostingGeek> they are incorrectly using GNU
[03:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i am in ubuntu
[03:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> duh
[03:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde does suck.
[03:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i'm banned from #ubuntu
[03:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> for some reason
[03:51] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: they ban everyone
[03:51] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: look at the ban list
[03:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> .lol
[03:51] <HostingGeek> bob2 is a ban-a-holic
[03:52] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: ask in #gnome on gimpnet\
[03:52] <HostingGeek> daniels is also a ban-a-holic
[03:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> cool.
[03:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[03:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> he is who i'm talking to right now.
[03:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> i bought this new keyboard because my old m$ keyboard's lights don't work right, and it's from m$.  but i dunno about this new one i got.  the m$ one has pretty sweet key action. :/
[03:59] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: #gnome
[03:59] <treke|home> BROKEN_LADDER: Ignore HostingGeek. What is your problem?
[04:00] <HostingGeek> treke|home: he is a ubuntu user not a stupid kde user
[04:00] <HostingGeek> ubuntu == gnome
[04:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> :)
[04:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[04:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> exactly.
[04:07] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: i got unbaned w00t
[04:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> from where?
[04:09] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: sometime i think daniels like making fun of me
[04:09] <HostingGeek> look at this:
[04:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmm..
 what about a -b?
 :P
 from where?
 #ubuntu?
 anyway goto go now the same as you....
 enjoy
[04:09] <HostingGeek> (from /msg)
[04:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus.
[04:10] <HostingGeek> --> You are now talking on #ubuntu
[04:10] <HostingGeek> --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to daniels
[04:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> that dude has me waiting around to get unbanned.
[04:10] <HostingGeek> --- daniels sets ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> he doesn't even know who originally banned me, because he just updated the ban.
[04:10] <HostingGeek> --- daniels removes channel operator status from daniels
[04:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> is that you?
[04:10] <HostingGeek> wtf!?
[04:10] <HostingGeek> thats is me
[04:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> he's not so friendly eh?
[04:10] <je4d> And yet he forgot to kick you aswell? silly daniels..
[04:11] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: he teased me
[04:12] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: heck i don't even know why he banned me
[04:13] <YuriMaru> is there a way to request kubuntu cd's thru the mail?
[04:14] <je4d> YuriMaru: There probably will be after it's released - but almost certainly not before
[04:14] <HostingGeek> YuriMaru: no because kde sucks
[04:14] <YuriMaru> hehe
[04:14] <HostingGeek> je4d: no there will not be at all
[04:14] <YuriMaru> kde pwns
[04:14] <HostingGeek> YuriMaru: you can get it on the dvd images
[04:14] <YuriMaru> hehe
[04:14] <HostingGeek> the dvd images include all of main
[04:14] <YuriMaru> would help if this pos could use dvd's
[04:14] <HostingGeek> and kubuntu is also in main
[04:15] <je4d> HostingGeek: ok. "heck i don't even know why he banned me" <-- I do. and and If this channel wasn't sufficiently new that chanserv was sorted out, you'd have been out of here a while ago.
[04:16] <HostingGeek> je4d: what did i do here that need me to be banned?
[04:16] <HostingGeek> je4d: you have even asked me to stop
[04:16] <HostingGeek> if you did i would
[04:16] <calc> hmm only three people have chanserv access
[04:16] <treke|home> HostingGeek: Please stop
[04:16] <je4d> calc: makes sense.. there's three people at canonical working on it
[04:17] <calc> haggai doesn't work for canonical
[04:17] <HostingGeek> treke|home: ok :P
[04:17] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: (you see they asked me to stop)
[04:17] <calc> i think fooishbar is a bot or something
[04:17] <je4d> fooishbar is almost certainly controlled by daniels..
[04:17] <calc> yea
[04:18] <treke|home> YuriMaru: I suppose it mostly boils down to whether or not the entity paying for the current Ubuntu cds ( Canonical?)  decides to push  Kubuntu
[04:18] <YuriMaru> aha
[04:19] <treke|home> I can see why they might not though, to encourage a more predictable platform
[04:23] <Roey> hi
[04:23] <Roey> what package is the keyboard layouts in?
[04:23] <Roey> *are the
[04:23] <Roey> also,
[04:23] <Roey> who was helping me here earlier....
[04:24] <Roey> I'll ask in #ubuntu rather.
[04:26] <Roey> I built a kernel, ran "mkinitrd initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> ; grub-update",  and when I booted the new kernel I get this:   http://rafb.net/paste/results/OcvP9T58.html
[04:42] <Roey> http://rafb.net/paste/results/LuhRpJ24.html
[04:42] <Roey> Why is the last raid device appearing differently than the first two ones??
[05:25] <hitriko> hey guys i just installed Kubuntu and it looks good to me so far
[05:25] <hitriko> but i'm having a problem
[05:25] <hitriko> i can't login as root
[05:25] <hitriko> ..
[05:26] <dimmak> sudo passwd
[05:26] <dimmak> and change it
[05:26] <dimmak> then try using su
[05:26] <dimmak> that is how i managed this task
[05:28] <hitriko> WOW! awesome man
[05:28] <hitriko> thanks
[05:28] <dimmak> no prob
[05:30] <hitriko> another problem
[05:30] <hitriko> (i'm a linux noob man) lol
[05:30] <delltony> where do you go to change your ip and all in kde i know i can change the network file in the shell but how is it done in kde?
[05:31] <hitriko> i'm trying to install gaim, i did ./configure and it does it ok but when i go to do "make" it gives me an erroe message
[05:33] <kaplanfx> hitriko: why not apt-get install gaim?
[05:33] <kaplanfx> or use synaptic?
[05:37] <hitriko> huh?
[05:37] <hitriko> i don't know anything about that...
[05:38] <hitriko> kaplanfx: please explain...
[05:38] <delltony_> where do you go to change your ip and all in kde i know i can change the network file in the shell but how is it done in kde?
[05:39] <delltony_> i go to control panel and network and it says unsupported platform
[05:39] <treke|home> kde doesnt have a front end that I know of for doing this
[05:39] <delltony_> so you have to use network/interfaces?
[05:39] <treke|home> yes
[05:40] <delltony_> whats the gtk app that does it ill use it
[05:40] <dalerisham> join #ubuntu
[05:40] <delltony_> i just removed all the stuff from here when i installed kubuntu
[05:40] <dalerisham> oops
[05:41] <delltony_> ok so if there isn't a front in then what the purpose of network interfaces int he control panel?
[05:43] <treke|home> it's intended to control network interfaces
[05:43] <treke|home> but it doesnt support every distribution
[05:43] <delltony_> ok
[05:44] <delltony_> since we have kubuntu now is anyone gonna modify it so it does?
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have installed the reiser4 kernel patch but i still can't mount reiser4 partitions.
[05:45] <treke|home> dlooks like they just removed it
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone help?
[05:45] <treke|home> since I dont see anything related to interfaces in the control panel
[06:19] <phxguy> Anyonehere familiar with kdebluetooth???
[06:22] <phxguy> Anyonehere familiar with kdebluetooth???
[06:54] <stazz> Hey... which is the current kde version on kubuntu?
[06:54] <billytwowilly> 3.4
[06:54] <stazz> really? this fast?
[06:55] <stazz> is kde available through ubuntu's normal package repositories?
[06:58] <billytwowilly> kubuntu and ubuntu use the same package repository...
[06:58] <stazz> right.. so why is it called kubuntu then?
[07:00] <billytwowilly> because there are cds for it that will install kde instead of gnome .
[07:01] <billytwowilly> Think of it like this: mandrake, redhat, etc, do 3 or 4 cd releases with gnome and kde on them. with ubuntu you download one cd if you want gnome or the other cd if you want kde.
[07:01] <billytwowilly> If you decide you want the other one you can pull it down from the repository no problem.
[07:02] <treke|home> stazz: in some ways the kde project is a seperate project from the gnome version, even though they share a repository
[07:03] <stazz> right.. right..
[07:04] <stazz> so, how does the new kde feel like?
[07:05] <treke|home> slim
[07:49] <delltony> ok i updated kubuntu now for some reason i see no place to find my files where can i find my files now before i had personal files but now its not on the menu
[08:22] <delltony> where in the heck is the kde file manager ?
[08:25] <chakie_> delltony: konqueror
[08:25] <delltony> understood
[08:26] <chakie_> alt-f2 konqueror
[08:26] <delltony> but how the heck do you get it to open the home dir
[08:26] <delltony> on the menu
[08:26] <delltony> as in put it on your menu where you click on it and it opens home dir
[08:26] <delltony> it was once there i updated and not anymore
[08:26] <chakie_> ah, ok
[08:26] <delltony> i'm a command type guy but i wanted the gui for that
[08:27] <delltony> if you know how that would be great
[08:28] <chakie_> you want to add konqueror back to the k-menu?
[08:28] <delltony> yes
[08:28] <delltony> where when i click on
[08:28] <delltony> it opens home
[08:29] <delltony> actually id like it on that little quick launcher panel actually
[08:29] <delltony> but whichever works
[08:30] <chakie_> well, you can at least right click on the panel, choose Add to Panel->Application and then find "Home" or something similar
[08:32] <delltony> its not there thats my point
[08:32] <chakie_> oh, sorry
[08:32] <chakie_> weird
[08:34] <delltony> dude all that needs to happen is this
[08:34] <delltony> but i don't know the the command
[08:34] <delltony> konqueor open in home
[08:34] <delltony> nothing more nothing less
[08:34] <delltony> i don't know the command to pass it though
[08:36] <chakie_> lemme see what my "home" does
[08:36] <chakie_> kfmclient openProfile filemanagement
[08:36] <chakie_> that's the "Command" that my "Home" executes
[08:36] <delltony> ok
[08:37] <delltony> ok thta works
[08:37] <delltony> now how do i add it to the little quick launch thing
[08:38] <chakie_> the panel?
[08:38] <chakie_> at the bottom?
[08:39] <delltony> the little quuick launch thing
[08:39] <delltony> i don't know wht its called
[08:39] <delltony> its a panel
[08:39] <delltony> but where you have show desktop and all
[08:39] <chakie_> where the main k menu is?
[11:26] <membreya> hmmmm stupid question, but with kubuntu, can i continue to use my ubuntu apps like tvtime, thunderbird and galeon?
[11:27] <psn> membreya: sure
[11:28] <membreya> hrm, according to http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/faq.php I should just need to type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" I'm getting package not found
[11:31] <`TUX``> Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing.
[11:31] <`TUX``> but  are we joking?
[11:32] <`TUX``> there is a  way  to  trash  sudo
[11:33] <`TUX``> kprint crash gnome cups admin  has 3 features and we can't use localhost:631 ...
[11:33] <`TUX``> is this the ubuntu kubuntu way?
[11:34] <`TUX``> to become a  gui oriented distro  more then mandrake?
[11:34] <`TUX``> but  mandrake has 5 years of gui administration  with mcc .. don't uses somthing like gnome-cups-manager  :/
[11:38] <psn> membreya: you need to enable the online repositories by editing the /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:00] <membreya> psn: what sources are you referring to in the sources.lst?
[12:01] <membreya> remembering that I'm on an amd64 :)
[12:02] <membreya> I already have universe installed
[12:02] <psn> membreya: hmm well then I don't know as the kubuntu packages are in main
[12:02] <haggai> I just filed a bug report regarding this question, #8053
[12:03] <membreya> my problem haggai ?
[12:03] <haggai> membreya: yes.  Can you show me your sources.list?
[12:04] <membreya> haggai: #flood
[12:05] <membreya> erm
[12:05] <haggai> membreya: you're using warty
[12:05] <haggai> membreya: you need to be on hoary
[12:05] <membreya> haggai: I've just been playing with this, replace the warty with hoary :)
[12:05] <membreya> only just copied and pasted it into my file
[12:06] <membreya> ok haggai ... don't bother about me :) I'm an idjet :)
[12:07] <haggai> membreya: it still needs the faq entry to be clarified
[12:07] <membreya> once I install kubuntu-desktop ...do I just restart?
[12:08] <haggai> there's a good doc somewhere
[12:09] <haggai> http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/inst/desktop-install.html
[12:09] <membreya> I gotta stop playing with my system on very little sleep
[12:09] <membreya> cute icon :)
[12:13] <Dudu678> does any body know why when i mount by using smbmount i get strange characters in file names, but when i do it in konqueror using smb:// i see everything ok?
[12:15] <haggai> probably a character encoding problem
[12:16] <Dudu678> yup
[12:16] <Dudu678> but i cannot figure out
[12:16] <Dudu678> how to solve it
[12:17] <Dudu678> i've tried specifying in the mounting options
[12:17] <Dudu678> the charset
[12:17] <Dudu678> and also in the smb.conf file
[12:17] <Dudu678> it doesn't matter
[12:18] <Dudu678> from windows and from konqueror without mounting i see everything ok
[12:18] <Dudu678> when i mount, it all goes wrong
[12:19] <Dudu678> i'm using utf-8 in my system, of course
[12:20] <Dudu678> but the problem is that i have to share files with windows clients
[12:22] <haggai> what smbmount options did you actually try?
[12:24] <Dudu678> username=lf,password=******,gid=1000,uid=1000,iocharset=iso8859-1
[12:24] <Dudu678> and also with iso8859-15
[12:25] <Dudu678> in smb.conf i have dos charset = 850
[12:25] <Dudu678> unix charset = ISO8859-1
[12:26] <haggai> how about
[12:26] <haggai> codepage=unicode,iocharset=utf8,unicode
[12:27] <haggai> http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/unicode.html
[12:28] <haggai> I'm no expert but that page seems to explain what is going on
[12:30] <Dudu678> hmmm... ok
[12:30] <Dudu678> thank you
[12:30] <Dudu678> i'll try
[01:21] <underlord> is there a way i can stop konqui from asking me if  i want to have it remember passwords from html forms that doesnt involve a big hammer or throwing my monitor out of a window?
[01:23] <haggai> underlord: control centre->web browswer->web behaviour-> [ ]  Enable completion of forms
[01:24] <underlord> thats allready off
[01:25] <underlord> you would expect that to work, but it seems that doesn't apply to storing username&pass combo's in the kde wallet service, only filling in of random information
[01:26] <haggai> ah
[01:27] <haggai> in kwalletmanager->settings you can either disable kwallet completely, or just disable it for konqueror
[02:11] <phed_> hi. can I upgrade from debian to kubuntu?
[02:11] <apokryphos> phed_: it is not recommended; there have been a few success stories, but also quite a few problems around.
[02:12] <phed_> well, so I should just keep my home folder and wipe the rest and install?
[02:12] <apokryphos> phed_: I recommend doing that, yes. Do you have your /home on a seperate partition?
[02:13] <phed_> no, I don't. but I can probably just rm -R stuff manually. done that before.
[02:13] <phed_> however, I'm a tad fatalistic. how could I do a kubuntu apt-upgrade?
[02:14] <apokryphos> Why would that mean you're fatalistic ;-)
[02:14] <apokryphos> phed_: do you mean from Debian?
[02:14] <phed_> yes
[02:14] <apokryphos> In theory: change your sources.list, apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:14] <phed_> mm, I assume I find a sources list at the website
[02:15] <apokryphos> You can in fact, yes. www.ubuntilinux.org/wiki/guidetohoary
[02:15] <phed_> also, how successful is it to install stuff from the debian trunk? I mean, are there problems with apt'ing software that aren't in the kubuntu trunk?
[02:15] <phed_> I develop a lot, and tend to use quite a few hairy libs. ;)
[02:16] <apokryphos> Quite a lot of people have the marillat repository; I do too, and haven't experienced any problems.
[02:16] <apokryphos> Whoops, that link should have been: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/guidetohoary
[02:18] <apokryphos> Though, the Ubuntu repository is huge. Practically every single package in Debian is in Ubuntu. Apart from a few "restricted formats", which you just have to add a new repos for.
[02:26] <phed_> apokryphos: yeah, I catched that. yeah, I am using debian on the laptop
[02:26] <phed_> and I think debian isn't as well suited for that task really.
[02:26] <phed_> but for development its excellent at least
[02:28] <phed_> mm, that sources, does that include kde?
[02:28] <apokryphos> phed_: KDE is now in the main repository, so yes.
[02:30] <apokryphos> g'day ztonzy
[02:35] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hi...I am in just shortly
[02:35] <phed_> Need to get 562MB of archives. After unpacking 81.0MB of additional disk space will be used.
[02:35] <phed_> :)
[02:35] <phed_> <3 apt
[02:35] <apokryphos> phed_: Let's hope it goes well; no guarantees, though. :)
[02:36] <phed_> yeah. I usually get away with worse ;)
[02:37] <phed_> apokryphos: the last time I gave up when was I tried to upgrade from 2.0 to 2.2 in slackware. on a 200MB partition.
[02:37] <apokryphos> hah
[02:37] <apokryphos> Ubuntu is not nearly that light.
[02:38] <underlord> anyone know how to get ubuntu to see a usb modem thats plugged in after boot (usbnet module)?
[02:39] <ztonzy> apokryphos, any news or fun to tell ?
[02:40] <apokryphos> Not so much; just reading the comments on slashdot about kubuntu.
[02:41] <ztonzy> aah, what is it ?
[02:41] <apokryphos> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/03/19/2045221.shtml?tid=190&tid=121&tid=106
[02:43] <ztonzy> hmm
[02:43] <ztonzy> have to read later
[02:44] <apokryphos> Few useless comments, some interesting ones, some silly propaganda.
[02:44] <ztonzy> heh
[02:44] <ztonzy> well...later!
[02:44] <apokryphos> see ya :)
[03:20] <alm> Is anyone else have problems with very slow konqueror web browsing?  I have googled and it seems to be common, but no solutions
[03:21] <apokryphos> fine here
[03:22] <apokryphos> Might be worth asking in #kde
[03:25] <garret> So ubuntu has the tools for handling network interfaces, does kubuntu offer something like this also?
[03:25] <apokryphos> garret: Yup, knetworkconf.
[03:26] <garret> great, looking now
[03:26] <garret> hmmm, not installed by default?
[03:27] <garret> nope
[03:28] <apokryphos> nope
[03:30] <underlord> wtf, i just got spam in japanese :|
[03:30] <Roey> =)
[03:30] <Roey> awesome
[03:30] <Roey> good morning
[03:36] <garret> what's the usage apokryphos?
[03:36] <garret> command
[03:36] <garret> don't see it popping up as an exectuable, or in menus
[03:36] <apokryphos> garret: check in kcontrol
[03:36] <apokryphos> Mornin' Roey
[03:36] <garret> ahh. gottcha!
[03:37] <garret> okay, seen this before . . . pick sarge?
[03:38] <apokryphos> I guess
[03:39] <garret> k, craches on me going to admin mode :-(
[03:40] <garret> fonts did the same, I'll get to it using konq
[03:41] <apokryphos> Re: crash; I have no idea; works fine here..
[03:41] <apokryphos> one or two others had problem with going into Admin mode on the forum too
[03:41] <apokryphos> but no reported crashes
[03:42] <garret> not a true crash, a loop
[03:42] <garret> just takes me back to the choice again
[03:42] <apokryphos> garret: try running kdesu kcontrol, and thenc onfiguring
[03:43] <apokryphos> are you entering your user password?
[03:43] <garret> yes
[03:43] <garret> ah, good idea, get into kcontrol as root and problem is fixed, I like it
[03:43] <garret> checking
[03:45] <garret> works, but no control over wireless interfaces :-(
[03:46] <apokryphos> cool, and uncool
[03:46] <apokryphos> Does the Gnome one have such a feature?
[03:46] <garret> yeah, has anybody actually gotten the the "Wireless network" setting to work?
[03:47] <garret> yes, it control all interfaces for gnome
[03:47] <garret> including wireless
[03:47] <apokryphos> I don't know; I suspect there's likely stuff on the Ubuntu forums
[03:47] <apokryphos> or even the ubu site itself
[03:48] <garret> I'll take a look, just more of an IRC guy :-)
[03:48] <apokryphos> same
[03:48] <garret> that whole "instant gratification" thing :-)
[03:50] <garret> getting ready to install Kubuntu for 120 users, on two term servers
[03:50] <garret> now trying to get the laptop stuff figured
[03:50] <garret> have 10 of those also
[03:51] <apokryphos> garret: I think it's worth compiling a bug report (with a "recommendation") on wireless configuration with K.
[03:51] <apokryphos> garret: wow; excellent stuff. Good luck with that.
[03:51] <garret> thanks, will do the bug report also
[04:20] <Mithsir> Hello! When I click on "Devices" in Konquerer, I get an error dialog box saying "Protocol not supported: devices" (or something like that). What am I missing?
[04:23] <Mithsir> Or in other words: how do I access my usb-cardreader that used to show up under devices?
[04:25] <noobietux> cd /home/your_user_name/usb
[04:25] <noobietux> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /home/your_user_name/usb
[04:25] <Mithsir> no such file or diirectory.
[04:25] <Mithsir> oh, ok, I know how to manually mount stuff. but kde used to do that for me (which I liked)....
[04:25] <noobietux> create that directory before
[04:26] <Mithsir> but somehow, since kde 3.4, this doesn't work anymore.
[04:26] <noobietux> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPreviewKnownProblems
[04:26] <kbitty> kde does not do this for you
[04:26] <kbitty> its just another daemon
[04:27] <Mithsir> well, it used to. there were entries for any entry of /etc/fstab in "devices"
[04:27] <kbitty> kde was only a front end of the configuration file i think
[04:28] <noobietux> make a clean fstab and it will be ok
[04:28] <noobietux> does someone use amarok here?
[04:28] <kbitty> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22042
[04:28] <noobietux> (sorry for my english)
[04:29] <kbitty> i moded the kde3.4 wallpapper and dropped the kubuntu logo
[04:29] <Mithsir> I use amarok
[04:30] <noobietux> wich version do you have installed?
[04:30] <kbitty> i use xmms or noatun
[04:30] <kbitty> or mplayer
[04:30] <kbitty> 5.04
[04:30] <noobietux> nice wallpaper kbitty
[04:30] <kbitty> want it?
[04:30] <apokryphos> noobietux: 1.2.1
[04:30] <Mithsir> noobietux, I cleaned my fstab, still no luck (do I have to restart some daemon?)
[04:31] <Mithsir> # amarok --version
[04:31] <Mithsir> Qt: 3.3.3
[04:31] <Mithsir> KDE: 3.4.0
[04:31] <Mithsir> amaroK: 1.2.1
[04:31] <noobietux> Mithsir: you haven't deleted your fstab?
[04:32] <marcusT> is there a best practice to link kubuntu bugs to kde upstream bugs and vice versa?
[04:32] <noobietux> i've got a really annoying bug with amarok: in my collection when i chose an artist/album classification nothing appear
[04:32] <Mithsir> noobietux, should I delete it?
[04:32] <noobietux> Mithsir: no
[04:32] <Mithsir> noobietux, good :-)
[04:33] <noobietux> make correct rules in it an everything will be mounted properly
[04:33] <kbitty> Mithsir, http://geocities.com/kasper002003/KDE34_kooby.png
[04:34] <kbitty> for kubuntu fans!
[04:34] <apokryphos> noobietux: did you select the directory to have amaroK import to collection?
[04:34] <noobietux> yes, when i classify only by artist it works fine
[04:35] <apokryphos> I don't have that problem here; did you get it from the repos?
[04:35] <noobietux> but when i choose album only or combined with another rule nothing appears
[04:35] <noobietux> apokryphos: yes i think so
[04:35] <kbitty> ne one thing this wallpapper i posted is better than default?
[04:35] <kbitty> think*
[04:36] <Mithsir> kbitty, thanks
[04:36] <apokryphos> noobietux: could you paste the first line output of sudo dpkg -l | grep amarok?
[04:36] <Mithsir> kbitty, I like it.
[04:37] <noobietux> ii  amarok         1.2.1-0ubuntu5 versatile and easy to use audio player for K
[04:37] <kbitty> ty Mithsir
[04:37] <apokryphos> Yup, definitely from the repositories. No idea why you're getting that error.
[04:38] <kbitty> where can i find some kubuntu art work?
[04:38] <kbitty> bootsplashes and so on?
[04:38] <apokryphos> kbitty: The release has just come out; such a site does not exist.
[04:39] <kbitty> damn
[04:40] <kbitty> well has ne one here got wallpappers or something of their own they made for kubuntu?
[04:49] <kbitty> http://geocities.com/kasper002003/16580-2.png
[04:49] <kbitty> good to use as login screen
[04:50] <Telep> :D
[04:54] <noobietux> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=20622
[05:08] <ricardog> hi there
[05:08] <kbitty> hi
[05:08] <ricardog> would anyone like to help a kubuntu noob?
[05:09] <kbitty> whats the problem?
[05:09] <ricardog> I keep losing sudo-ability
[05:09] <ricardog> everyhting is fine until I run kuser
[05:10] <ricardog> (trying to add another account)
[05:11] <ricardog> then I'm unable to sudo anything after that
[05:12] <kbitty> hmmm
[05:12] <ricardog> "sudo: no passwd entry for root!"
[05:12] <kbitty> i could sudo kuser then exit and still use sudo
[05:13] <ricardog> now I'm a little stuck with what I'm able to do
[05:13] <ricardog> any suggestions?
[05:13] <ricardog> logging in and out does not help
[05:13] <ricardog> restarting does not help
[05:14] <ricardog> now I can't enable or log in as root
[05:19] <ricardog> OK, well thanks for your time, kbitty. I'll keep on hammering my head on the monitor
[05:30] <bhna> is there any plan for a bootscreen like other distribution (e.g. SuSE)
[05:33] <apokryphos> Not sure, but you can make your own.
[05:35] <bhna> i read anywhere they developing a new typ of bootsreen
[05:42] <kbitty> i use debian bootsplash
[05:42] <kbitty> included on the cd
[05:42] <kbitty> if i knew how to make the xpm images i will be making them
[05:42] <kbitty> bhna join my ircd, if i manage to make a kubuntu one tonight
[05:47] <apokryphos> kbitty: erm, GIMP?
[05:48] <kbitty> yes i can make them in gimp
[05:49] <kbitty> i was talking about the tools in gimp is more difficult to use in gimp rather than me making my photoshop art
[05:54] <Roey> kbitty:  but at least .XCF is a documented format.
[06:11] <installnewb> interesting
[06:12] <buz> i was wondering, how do i activate gtk-qt?
[06:12] <installnewb> I must have closed the list of people who are in the channel somehow
[06:13] <regeya> what irc client
[06:13] <regeya> see if there's a little grab-bar on the right-hand side of the window
[06:13] <regeya> that happens sometimes with xchat
[06:14] <installnewb> Ahhh yes, success
[06:14] <installnewb> Thanks
[06:14] <regeya> np :)
[06:14] <installnewb> I'm slowly migrating to linux
[06:15] <installnewb> I'm getting errors when I try to do the apt-get install of Kubuntu over an existing install of Ubuntu
[06:15] <regeya> buz: it's pretty remarkable, isn't it
[06:15] <installnewb> jpmyers@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:15] <installnewb> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:15] <installnewb> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:15] <installnewb> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[06:15] <buz> yeah it is
[06:15] <installnewb> Is that because I need to add more servers to the repisitory?
[06:15] <regeya> are you using hoary sources, installnewb?
[06:16] <installnewb> I'm not sure, I'm working on a fresh install of 4.10 warty install.
[06:16] <buz> i'm usually more the BSD guy but for desktops, BSD is a bit too picky about hardware support
[06:16] <installnewb> How can I find out?
[06:17] <psn> installnewb: well if it's a fresh warty install you're not
[06:17] <installnewb> When your name is in yellow, is that a whisper?
[06:17] <installnewb> I'm new to x-chat
[06:18] <pv_> It's probably an ordinary highlight, as your nick was mentioned.
[06:19] <installnewb> oh i see, thanks
[06:20] <installnewb> Is there a way to update Warty to Hoary?
[06:23] <regeya> yes; in /etc/apt/sources.list, iirc all you have to do is change every instance of "warty" to "hoary"
[06:23] <installnewb> will it work to simply replace 'warty' with 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list then use apt-get to upgrade my packages?
[06:23] <regeya> then apt-get update
[06:23] <regeya> then upgrade :-) heh
[06:26] <installnewb> Should I take the octothorpe off these lines? # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:26] <installnewb> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:27] <installnewb> I'm new to debian in general
[06:28] <installnewb> I'm going to uncomment the universe respositories as I think they may be necessary for me
[06:29] <DarthFrog> installnewb: Yes.  And add multiverse to that line, too.
[06:29] <DarthFrog> installnewb: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:30] <DarthFrog> installnewb: And mentally substitue hoary for warty on that page.
[06:30] <installnewb> does multiverse extend my package selection to the typical debian packages?
[06:31] <DarthFrog> installnewb: Mulitverse contains non-free packages that have some restrictions.
[06:31] <DarthFrog> installnewb: Universe will give you only free packages.
[06:31] <installnewb> I see, thank you.
[06:32] <DarthFrog> You're welcome.
[06:32] <DarthFrog> And welcome to the Light Side of The Force. :-)
[06:33] <installnewb> deb http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories :is this correct? It's saying malformed line
[06:33] <installnewb> when i try to update
[06:35] <amiroff> hello, how can I make ctrl+enter work in konqueror like in firefox?
[06:39] <phxguy> can someone help me with my  External  USB Drive?
[06:55] <marcusT> phxguy: to do what?
[06:58] <phxguy> for some reason my maxtor usb harddrive doesn't mount
[06:59] <marcusT> does not mount as in "i click and nothing happens" or does not mount as in "I do "mount -something" and I get an error"
[07:02] <phxguy> marcusT: It shows up in the media folder and i click on it but i get an error that says mount: can't find /dev/sde1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[07:02] <marcusT> phxguy: you installed pmount?
[07:02] <phxguy> marcusT: how would I know??
[07:03] <phxguy> do  I have to install that seperate from the kubunt insntall?//
[07:03] <marcusT> phxguy: well, there's a bug out there stating that and the outstanding issues page says it too
[07:03] <marcusT> but you're right, you don't have to... reason for people like me to stick around
[07:03] <marcusT> phxguy: just apt-get install pmount
[07:04] <phxguy> ok doing that now. what does it do (just out of curiosity)
[07:04] <phxguy> ... yeah i saw that it doesn't automount in the 'known problems' area
[07:05] <phxguy> marcusT: ok it is done downloading/installing
[07:05] <marcusT> phxguy: user space mounting... makes it possible that for your hald to tell the userspace that there is a new device that can be mounted
[07:05] <marcusT> do a /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[07:05] <marcusT> it's dbus-1
[07:06] <phxguy> marcusT:  i type: /etc/init.d/dbus restart and i got: /etc/init.d/dbus: No such file or directory
[07:06] <marcusT> as I said, it's /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[07:07] <phxguy> o sorry
[07:07] <phxguy> marcusT:  It told me permission denied
[07:07] <marcusT> then prepend a sudo
[07:08] <phxguy> ok that time it did what it does It gave me 4 ok to the right
[07:08] <phxguy> should i be able to access it now?
[07:08] <marcusT> excelent, now try again what you did...
[07:08] <marcusT> yepp, you should
[07:09] <phxguy> it gove me an error still
[07:09] <marcusT> does it say the same thing as before?
[07:10] <phxguy> marcusT: The file or folder media:/sde1 does not exist
[07:10] <marcusT> phxguy: well, maybe you need to restart kde
[07:10] <phxguy> marcusT:  do   I have to make a folder for each sde device???
[07:10] <marcusT> nope, they'll be created automagically
[07:11] <phxguy> marcusT: ok i think i do need to restart because now i cannot even access my home folder or linux drive
[07:11] <marcusT> we'll that's something that should not happen...
[07:11] <phxguy> marcusT: should i just log out and log back in or should do a full restart??
[07:11] <marcusT> phxguy: sorry, I have to leave... just restart and retry...
[07:12] <marcusT> nope, just restart KDE, i.e. logout and login
[07:12] <phxguy> alright thanks for your help. cross your fingers :)
[07:20] <amiroff> guy is there a way to make konqui open a .com site with ctrl+enter shotrcut?
[07:50] <treke> ok now this is strange
[07:50] <treke> if I have juk and noatun paused and then unpause noatun, both apps start playing
[07:51] <spiral> hi
[07:52] <spiral> anyone using ubuntu on a ppc here ?
[07:52] <treke> I do
[07:55] <haggai> treke: we wanted to make amarok the default player anyway
[07:56] <spiral> treke: nice... does it work nice ?
[07:56] <spiral> is it a recent one ?
[07:56] <treke> spiral: works well
[07:56] <spiral> somebody just stole my laptop...
[07:56] <treke> somewhat recent
[07:56] <spiral> and I want to buy a new one...
[07:57] <spiral> and I thought about buying an ibook
[07:57] <treke> if you want to run linux, I wouldnt recommend buying an apple laptop
[07:57] <spiral> treke: is it so hard ?
[07:57] <treke> hard? no
[07:57] <treke> hardware support just isn't quite there
[07:58] <treke> and  quite likely never will be
[07:58] <spiral> treke: I had lots of problems with my pc laptop...
[07:58] <amu> spiral: also running it on a ppc
[07:58] <spiral> amu: and you think the same about apple laptops ?
[07:58] <treke> wireless will probably not ever work, and video performance is pretty poor
[07:59] <treke> the single mouse button is an annoyance, but there is a way to emulate it other two on a keyboard that works pretty well
[08:00] <amu> spiral: if you buy an new laptop, your wlan will not work. If you can live with this all other hardware will be supported, at least i run a pcmcia-wlan and a usb-wlan
[08:00] <amu> spiral: linux on a ppc rocks
[08:00] <treke> you're also not going to have any support for hardware accelerated opengl
[08:01] <amu> treke: that would be a real problem if you rendering your own movies
[08:02] <treke> I know suspend works on the ati based powerbooks, do you know if it works on the nvidias?
[08:03] <spiral> amu: wlan... I need wifi...
[08:03] <treke> spiral: You can use a pcmcia card if you get a powerbook or a usb dongle
[08:03] <spiral> ah damn... the single mouse button... damn apple
[08:03] <spiral> and no scroll ?
[08:03] <treke> no scoll wheel
[08:03] <amu> treke: hmm never tried, i have 3 pb's and 1 ibook, all of then have a ati
[08:04] <spiral> hmmm, is it hard to keep macos & install kubuntu on the same laptop ?
[08:04] <treke> That's something to look into before getting one
[08:04] <treke> fairly easy
[08:04] <amu> spiral: works out of the box
[08:05] <spiral> hmmm, yeah... and bluetooth ?
[08:05] <treke> cool. I never tried it with ubuntu
[08:05] <treke> needed the space, so I removed OSX
[08:05] <spiral> so I can't use included wifi modules if they exist ?
[08:05] <treke> spiral: right
[08:05] <treke> you can't use the built in wireless
[08:05] <amu> spiral: i told you before all hardware is supported except extreme wireless
[08:06] <spiral> amu: what is extreme wireless ? airport thing ?
[08:06] <treke> yes
[08:06] <treke> perhaps some day a driver will exist
[08:06] <treke> but I wouldn't count on it happening
[08:06] <amu> treke: guess never :)
[08:06] <spiral> are they mac laptops wifi powered (no airport) ?
[08:07] <treke> I think all of the current macs use airport extreme
[08:07] <treke> which is one of the broadcom chipsets
[08:07] <spiral> treke: all right
[08:08] <treke> if you want osx and linux then an apple is a good choice
[08:08] <treke> I just don't think it's the best way to go for a linux only machine
[08:14] <spiral> treke: I have to use office for my school...
[08:14] <spiral> and can't stand windows anymore...
[08:14] <spiral> So I thought about apple...
[08:16] <treke> I guess it comes down to preference
[08:16] <treke> I'd rather deal with windows if I needed something like office
[08:17] <treke> since linux would suit me better on the x86 hardware
[08:17] <treke> and it's my primary use of the laptop
[08:20] <P229> StarOffice seems much more compatible with Word formatting, if that's the issue
[08:21] <treke> I've had some  really bad experiences with openoffice and excell
[08:21] <treke> I really dont trust it any more :)
[08:21] <haggai> P229: that would be difficult seeing as it is exactly the same codebase as OOo
[08:22] <P229> haggai: well, maybe they just have the default formattings set differently.
[08:23] <P229> haggai: I didn't mess around with it too much, so all I know is that OpenOffice doesn't correctly open some documents created in Word, but StarOffice (in Solaris 10) handled them ok
[08:28] <hoschbert> hi! what can I do with this problem: xorg causes a lag of about 4 seconds... typing top shows xorg using a lot of cpu-power, in X everything is "paused".. any idea?
[09:02] <mdke> hi all. Is there a way to get volumes mounting automatically with kubuntu?
[09:02] <mdke> do you have an equivalent to gnome-volume-manager
[09:03] <teprrr> hmm, I think no, not yet
[09:03] <mdke> ok np
[09:03] <teprrr> not sure about this though...
[09:11] <noobietux> salut tout le monde
[09:11] <noobietux> Hello here
[09:12] <Telep> salut
[09:12] <noobietux> does anyone know how to add a mirror's gpg key ?
[09:12] <Telep> hrmm, well you'd need to know the key first
[09:13] <noobietux> i have the key but i don't know what to do with it
[09:13] <noobietux> it is for this repository : http://archive.kalyxo.org/
[09:19] <naerex> hi i tested kubuntu and its GREAT !! (im french) ;)
[09:19] <Riddell> formidable
[09:19] <naerex> Riddell> tu parles francais ?
[09:20] <naerex> ubuntu is good too but i never like gnome
[09:22] <Riddell> naerex: un petit peux
[09:22] <Telep> mys fysiikkaa, matikkaa ja yleisesti matemaattisluonnontieteellisi aineita on melko helppo pst lukemaan yliopistoon, jos prjsi edes keskinkertaisesti lukiossa
[09:22] <Riddell> naerex: un petit peut
[09:22] <Telep> oops
[09:23] <Riddell> hmm
[09:23] <Telep> arr, silly split windows :D
[09:23] <noobietux> kuduntu c'est vraiment bien
[09:23] <naerex> noobietux> ouais :)
[09:23] <Telep> tout  fait
[09:23] <naerex> noobietux> je vais enfin passer en Full Linux ;)
[09:24] <noobietux> :)
[09:24] <noobietux> Kubuntu c'est bon mangez en
[09:24] <Telep> lol
[09:25] <Riddell> noobietux: bon mangez?  good to eat?
[09:25] <naerex> pour KDE en francais on fait comment par contre ?
[09:25] <noobietux> Riddell: it's a way of saying that it is a good thing
[09:26] <Riddell> quelle bizarre
[09:26] <naerex> j'ai DL ca --> kde-i18n-3.4.0.tar.bz2
[09:26] <noobietux> with apt-get
[09:26] <noobietux> sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-fr
[09:26] <naerex> no i use kynaptic but this file i DL it with konqueror
[09:28] <Riddell> oui kde-i18n etre fais cette semain j'espaire
[09:28] <noobietux> Riddell: it is done i've already installed it
[09:29] <naerex> yes me too
[09:29] <naerex> 250Mo
[09:29] <Riddell> mais kde-i18n 3.4 n'est pas en kubuntu maintainant
[09:30] <naerex> Riddell> tu veux dire : pas dans le depos ?
[09:32] <noobietux> Riddell: a fonctionne chez moi
[09:32] <naerex> noobietux> avec apt-get ?
[09:32] <noobietux> oui
[09:32] <naerex> noobietux> ca ne derange pas le system de faire comme ca ?
[09:32] <noobietux> sudo apt-get update avant
[09:32] <bhna> is this a french channel?
[09:33] <Telep> no
[09:33] <Telep> non :)
[09:33] <bhna> nein?
[09:33] <naerex> bhna> no but 2 french speak in french its easely ;)
[09:33] <noobietux> naerex: apt-get is the default util for installing packages
[09:34] <bhna> but i cant understand
[09:34] <naerex> noobietux> kynaptic use apt-get ?
[09:34] <naerex> bhna> true
[09:34] <noobietux> yes i think
[09:34] <naerex> bhna> sorry :)
[09:34] <noobietux> kynaptic is a front end
[09:35] <naerex> noobietux> you don't use it ?
[09:35] <noobietux> sometimes, when i don't know the precise name of the package
[09:37] <naerex> noobietux> when i create an user with Kuser it crash
[09:37] <bhna> why don't you use ctrl+f
[09:37] <noobietux> naerex: i am quite new to linux
[09:38] <bhna> you can search name summary and description
[09:38] <naerex> bhna> for the bug ?
[09:39] <dimma1> so who should i ask to get the 2405fpw monitor working by default without having to manually edit the xorg.conf file?
[09:39] <dimma1> i thought this would be the first absolutely perfect distro for me since it works spectacularly on my laptop... just the desktop display doesn't work by default
[09:40] <dimma1> everything else is perfect... i am quite impressed
[09:40] <naerex> what is 2405fpw ?
[09:40] <dimma1> dell's 24" widescreen display
[09:40] <bhna> drimma1: what's the problem?
[09:40] <dimma1> flatpanel... gets detected as a crt when probed
[09:40] <naerex> i don't know. the resolution is special ?
[09:41] <dimma1> just doesn't work unless i edit the xorg.conf myself
[09:41] <Telep> puh, Angel on menny oudoksi
[09:41] <dimma1> 1920 x 1200
[09:41] <naerex> kubuntu is perfect for day to day use :)
[09:41] <Telep> quite so
[09:41] <dimma1> that is the native resolution
[09:41] <dimma1> it can do lower no problem... it is that the refresh rate isn't detected properly... so it won't display after the first restart during installation
[09:41] <naerex> in french we says: sans se prendre la tete ;)
[09:42] <dimma1> so i have to use recovery mode or ctrl-alt-FX to a different console to edit the xorg.conf file
[09:43] <naerex> dimma1> refresh is not 60hz ?
[09:43] <dimma1> not by default
[09:43] <dimma1> it gets detected as a typical crt
[09:43] <bhna> dimma1: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/printthread.php?t=47376
[09:44] <dimma1> with max resolution of 1600x1200
[09:44] <dimma1> i just wanted to make the report so hopefully it work by default in future releases
[09:45] <dimma1> if there is anything kubuntu can do to remedy it
[09:45] <naerex> dimma1> knoppix detect your screen ?
[09:45] <naerex> "detect correctly"
[09:45] <dimma1> i'll give it a shot
[09:45] <naerex> i dont understand
[09:46] <naerex> a shot ?
[09:46] <dimma1> a try
[09:46] <dimma1> i will boot up with knoppix to see what happens
[09:47] <naerex> it a good test for see what happen
[09:47] <lytefyre> anyone sucessfull with booting kubuntu off an external hdd ?
[09:47] <dimma1> yeah... is that how kubuntu detects hardware?
[09:48] <dimma1> i have always been impressed with knoppix
[09:48] <naerex> kubuntu use udev hal and hotplug no ?
[09:48] <naerex> and dbus
[09:49] <Riddell> naerex: yes  media:/
[09:49] <naerex> great :)
[09:49] <Riddell> may need to install pmount first
[09:49] <lytefyre> ive got a pivot_root error on my kubuntu install
[09:50] <bhna> i have no luck with hal, dbus +pmount
[09:50] <naerex> Riddell> i plug usbkey and photo and he mount directly
[09:50] <bhna> kubuntu doesn't detecdt my usb-stick
[09:51] <Riddell> bhna: in media:/  ?
[09:51] <naerex> but kubuntu is a beta ?
[09:52] <bhna> Riddell> yes, in media. no usbstick no icon ...
[09:53] <haggai> bhna: what does 'lsusb' tell you?
[09:53] <Roey> hi
[09:54] <Roey> I want to build CVS HEAD KDE on my own.  Is prelinking KDE and/or Qt dangerous??
[09:54] <naerex> i go to sleep bye all :)
[09:54] <bhna> Riddell>naerex>by
[09:55] <lytefyre> hello ?
[09:55] <Roey> bye naere
[09:55] <bhna> Riddell>i don't no, i will try it.
[09:55] <Roey> x
[09:59] <lytefyre> anyone know how to boot off external usb hdd , ive got the kubuntu preview
[10:00] <lytefyre> install went fine and grub shows entries too, but it stalls with pivot_root:no such directory and cannot open dev/console
[10:01] <brainkilla> #join #amarok
[10:02] <bhna> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[10:02] <bhna> Riddell> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[10:02] <haggai> bhna: that doesn't list your device at all
[10:03] <haggai> bhna: it won't work in kde if the kernel doesn't even see it
[10:03] <brainkilla> hey guys
[10:03] <bhna> haggai> what can i do? no problems with knoppix, suse ...
[10:04] <brainkilla> if I start d/l-ing kubuntu now, what do I get?
[10:04] <brainkilla> I mean, kde 3.4, but what parts of it?
[10:05] <haggai> bhna: check the output of 'dmesg' to see if there is anything mentioned about the device
[10:05] <haggai> bhna: and try removing/readding the device
[10:06] <Riddell> try  sudo modprobe usb-storage
[10:06] <bhna> usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[10:06] <bhna> haggai>dmesg: usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[10:07] <haggai> ouch
[10:08] <haggai> bhna: please file a bug against linux-image package and copy that output in the bug report
[10:08] <bhna> haggai>ok
[10:11] <bhna> haggai> any link for the bug-report-form
[10:11] <haggai> bhna: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:12] <bhna> haggai> thanks ;-)
[10:16] <bhna> Riddell> lsmod: ide_core              118988  5 usb_storage,ide_cd,ide_generic,piix,ide_disk
[10:18] <bhna> there is a problem with kynaptic. it's starts only via konsole
[10:26] <lytefyre>  anyone know how to boot off external usb hdd , ive got the kubuntu preview
[10:35] <lytefyre> anyone have a pivot_root error while booting ?
[10:36] <amu> lytefyre: not happend till now
[10:36] <lytefyre> amu : any idea why it happens ? along with a dev/console not being found
[10:36] <amu> lytefyre: you boot from a usb-cdrom and got this error?
[10:36] <lytefyre> amu: usb-hdd
[10:38] <amu> hmm could you add an boot-argument: like ide=reverse as a kernel-bootparameter?
[10:39] <lytefyre> well it boots of grub so yeah i can add that argument but havent tried it..u think its worth a shot ?
[10:41] <amu> lytefyre: you run a warty or hoary?
[10:41] <lytefyre> hoary
[10:41] <lytefyre> im trying to run a hoary..this is my first with an ubuntu :)
[10:42] <amu> well, it's worth to try it
[10:42] <lytefyre> k thanks amu
[10:42] <amu> lytefyre: the same happens on a liveCD? did you got the same error message?
[11:40] <dimmak> anybody timing out when trying to connect to us.archive.ubunu.com:80?
[11:40] <dimmak> i can't apt-get with the default repository
[11:41] <Quinn_Storm> dimmak: I think others are...I'm just using archive.ubuntu.com myself
[11:58] <phxguy> is anyone else experiencing problems with the ubuntu repositories???
[11:58] <Quinn_Storm> phxguy: some people are yes
[11:59] <phxguy> thought so .... Im getting a lot of failed msgs when i try to refresh my repositories
[12:00] <phxguy> Quinn_Storm, Do you thin i shouuld wait then before downloading kubuntu???
[12:00] <Quinn_Storm> phxguy: not sure


[19:16] <apachelogger> hi!
[19:16] <apachelogger> any one with magic access to the website around
[20:14] <bencrisford> apachelogger: have you found a bug?
[20:14] <apachelogger> well yes
[20:14] <bencrisford> because we have a new website rolling out soon
[20:14] <apachelogger> well it is the content
[20:14] <apachelogger> not the site itself
[20:15] <apachelogger> http://edubuntu.org/Screenshots
[20:15] <bencrisford> so outdated info/bugs on the old site arent our highest priority I think.. :/
[20:15] <apachelogger> it is not kde edutainment anymore
[20:15] <apachelogger> but just "KDE Education"
[20:15] <joerg> hi...
[20:16] <joerg> how does the english speaking world call a schedule/plan in a school where you can see if a lesson is not taking place or held by a supply teacher?
[20:16] <bencrisford> joerg: a timetable..?
[20:16] <bencrisford> not sure if thats what you mean
[20:16] <joerg> nope
[20:17] <joerg> I mean something that says: class 5a, lesson 1 and 2 on monday (biology) will not take place because the teacher is ill, stay at home ;)
[20:17] <bencrisford> apachelogger: im not sure if this will be acted upon due to the new website being worked on at the moment...
[20:18] <joerg> or: mr. foobar is on a business trip to the ministry of education, mr. barfoo will held the math lesson in the 3rd and 4th lesson
[20:18] <apachelogger> bencrisford: so it could be fixed in the new website :)
[20:18] <joerg> in a forum I read the word "cover plan"?
[20:18] <joerg> but people weren't sure about it...
[20:18] <bencrisford> apachelogger: I imagine it will be.. :)  I'm not one of people working on the new website
[20:19] <bencrisford> joerg: a cover plan does sound right actually yeah
[20:19] <bencrisford> joerg: something like that :), in an administrative context it definately makes sense
[20:19] <joerg> ok, thx....
[20:20] <joerg> bencrisford, I am implmenting a portal server for schools
[20:20] <joerg> and well, everything is german here of course :)
[20:20] <joerg> but I use to develop in english
[20:20] <bencrisford> joerg: if you are talking in terms of telling students about absent teachers, then it might not be as appropriate..?  i'm not sure :/ sorry
[20:20] <bencrisford> joerg: cool! :)
[20:20] <joerg> and later let somebody translate to german or do it myself.
[20:21] <joerg> bencrisford, well, in my old school it was like this: you came in you went straight to the "cover plan"
[20:21] <joerg> in the hope that you can sleep longer next day
[20:21] <joerg> because maths in the 1st and 2nd lesson don't take place
[20:21] <joerg> or something like this
[20:22] <bencrisford> joerg: ok I see, that does make sense
[20:22] <joerg> a big blackboard where students and teachers can find out where the regular schedule changed for a particular lesson/day
[20:23] <joerg> the guys who make that plan use some windoze software that can generate html tables from it.
[20:23] <joerg> and I'm trying to parse the data out.
[20:23] <bencrisford> apachelogger: but thank you for letting us know about the error :)
[20:23] <joerg> to make them available on the page, as news feed and to provide an automatic email notification
[20:24] <bencrisford> joerg: nice :), what are you coding in?
[20:24] <joerg> because it sometimes happens that somebody gets ill, the plan changes an evening before and the students don't look on the website...
[20:24] <joerg> and then come to school at 8, even though the first lesson doesn't take place
[20:24] <joerg> python / django
[20:27] <bencrisford> good idea, that sounds pretty cool
[20:29] <joerg> I'll provide a demo very soon
[20:29] <joerg> it is more like a social network with intranet capabilities.
[20:30] <bencrisford> not long ago I started work on a similar project with someone i met through an unrelated FOSS project
[20:31] <bencrisford> but I lost contact with him and haven't really tried for a while :P
[20:31] <bencrisford> i kind of figure now, that my contributions would be more valuable working on existing projects rather than writing new ones that already have a working counterpart
[20:31] <bencrisford> if that makes sense..
[20:32] <joerg> e.g. you can found a group, invite others to join, have friends. share folders and files (read/write) with a group, your friends or everybody at your school. you can design your own profile which is a public discussion board as well, add (google/opensocial) gadgets to your profile or your start page, use it as rss reader, send messages etc.
[20:32] <apachelogger> lmfg47sk
[20:32] <bencrisford> awesome :)
[20:32] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:32] <apachelogger> not my gmail one
[20:32] <apachelogger> doh!
[20:32] <joerg> bencrisford, we haven't found anything suitable for us...
[20:32] <joerg> except a proprietary thing
[20:33] <joerg> where I sometimes get inspiration and ideas from :)
[20:33] <bencrisford> joerg: im not saying you shouldnt work on this!  it sounds very exciting!
[20:33] <bencrisford> but my project was very similar to moodle
[20:33] <bencrisford> so I decided it wasnt really necessary
[20:33] <joerg> hmm, well, I am more trying to integrate all that stuff.
[20:33] <joerg> most of them don't want moodle, but if, they can simply integrate it....
[20:34] <joerg> my portal acts as a single sign on provider (CAS) as well....with ldap in the back you can simply add a link to the moodle stuff and load it in an iframe or new window...
[20:35] <joerg> same thing hopefully for the library thing...
[20:35] <joerg> I am currently watching koha (www.koha.org) which seems to be a very nice ILS and OPAC...
[20:36] <joerg> ...but at present it neither supports CAS nor LDAP
[20:36] <joerg> and has no german translation which is probably the easiest thing to fix
[20:38] <bencrisford> :)
[20:39] <highvoltage> good even4ning joerg and bencrisford
[20:39] <bencrisford> highvoltage: evening :)
[20:40] <bencrisford> highvoltage: apachelogger found a bug in the website, I wasn't sure what to do..  Are we ignoring bugs now because the new website is coming up soon?
[20:40] <joerg> hey highvoltage
[20:41] <highvoltage> bencrisford: nope, best is probably to file a bug on LP so that we can make sure it gets fixed in the new site as well
[20:41] <bencrisford> highvoltage: oookay then :)
[20:41] <bencrisford> apachelogger: I don't mind filing one for you.?  unless you'd like to?
[20:42] <bencrisford> :)
[20:42] <apachelogger> nah, if you have time, feel free to file one :)
[20:42]  * apachelogger is currently at a dev meeting and brainstorming like wild ^^
[20:42] <bencrisford> highvoltage: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/edubuntu-website/+bug/571836 - how about I update the description of that bug report to include the information about tonights one?
[20:43] <bencrisford> I have a couple I need to report
[20:43] <bencrisford> so that could be like a list of all the outdated information..?
[20:43] <bencrisford> actually, thats about the FAQ
[20:43] <bencrisford> maybe not then
[20:43] <bencrisford> unless I updated the summary
[20:45] <bencrisford> If I made it "Edubuntu website has horribly outdated information"
[20:45] <bencrisford> kept the FAQ stuff and added the new bugs to the description
[20:46] <bencrisford> then as many bugs as possible would be in the same place
[20:46] <bencrisford> and thus making it easier for anyone working on the new site
[20:59] <bencrisford> ill just file a new one ;) :)
[21:11] <bencrisford> highvoltage: im making a new one with a long list of bugs which I have just found
[21:18] <bencrisford> bug 584717
[22:51]  * joerg is tired
[22:57] <joerg> vmlintu, hey....are u there?
[22:59] <joerg> would anybody be interested in testing my school portal server? ;)
[22:59] <joerg> I announced it a couple of months ago....on the edubuntu-devel mailinglist
[23:00] <joerg> and well....after almost four months there is finally a little bit to see and to try out...
[23:01] <joerg> gonna post it on the mailing list again, but I'd like to give access to the demo to just a few people first....
[23:01] <joerg> to get some feedback, fix bugs, improve things....it is still in a very early phase of development


[08:10] <ara> good morning all!
[11:01] <davmor2> morning all
[13:43]  * ara -> lunch
[14:18] <davmor2> morning fader_
[14:18] <fader_> davmor2 et alia: howdy
[14:20]  * davmor2 is using lucid on my main box now this might not of been the best usage of my time :D
[14:26] <fader_> davmor2: It's been pretty stable for me recently.  In fact, I think the only problems I've had have been nVidia proprietary driver-related
[14:26] <fader_> (Once I learned the trick of telling it to stay in "high performance" rather than "power saving" mode it's been stable too.)
[16:52] <ara> czajkowski, hey!
[16:53] <ara> czajkowski, was it you who had an issue when upgrading to lucid related to OO.org?
[16:53] <czajkowski> ara: it was indeed
[16:53] <czajkowski> but someone kirkland? fixed it
[16:53] <czajkowski> and I was able to upgrade
[16:53] <ara> czajkowski, can you remember the bug number?
[16:53] <ara> mmm
[16:53] <czajkowski> I can get it
[16:54] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/532068
[16:54] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 532068 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) "Upgrading from karmic2lucid is giving error of open office dependency issue (affects: 3)" [High,Confirmed]
[16:54] <sbeattie> it's still an issue (unless there was an openoffice upload over the weekend)
[16:55] <ara> czajkowski, how did you workaround it?
[16:56] <sbeattie> ara: uninstall openoffice.org-filter-binfilter
[16:56] <czajkowski> removed open office as I had to do some other testing and needed lucid
[16:57] <sbeattie> the upgrade tool now blacklists the package, though it doesn't tell you to uninstall the package.
[16:59] <ara> sbeattie, yes, thus this duplicate: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/542011
[16:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 542011 in ubuntu "karmic > lucid upgrade fails openoffice.org blacklist (affects: 11)" [Undecided,New]
[17:05] <ara> czajkowski, yours was a duplicated as well. original bug: 516727
[17:05] <czajkowski> oops, sorry
[17:07] <ara> no worries! apparently is hitting a lot of people trying to upgrade


[00:00] <Ubulette> bug 184740
[00:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184740 in firefox-3.0 "Rendering Issue w/ http://gatech.edu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184740
[00:00] <[reed]> the only X issue that I consistently see is mozilla bug 263160
[00:01] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 263160 in Widget: Gtk "frames open in new windows leaving the firefox window unusable" [Critical,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263160
[00:01] <asac> [reed]: you see that? never had it
[00:02] <asac> [reed]: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=290366 ... the gecko area sometimes looks that way though
[00:02] <[reed]> yeah, I see it all the time
[00:02] <asac> like what you have in on of those windows
[00:02] <asac> [reed]: on ubuntu?
[00:02] <[reed]> yes
[00:02] <asac> with our package?
[00:04] <[reed]> package of what? firefox? I don't use your firefox.
[00:04] <[reed]> your firefox is old
[00:04] <[reed]> :)
[00:04] <[reed]> I use nightlies or my own builds
[00:04] <asac> [reed]: well the bug is old too
[00:04] <[reed]> yeah
[00:04] <[reed]> and I hit it yesterday
[00:04] <[reed]> it has to do with lots of frames
[00:05] <[reed]> a page with a ton of iframes that refresh a lot will cause it
[00:05] <asac> welll they say with excess memory comsumption as well
[00:05] <asac> you have any such page?
[00:06] <[reed]> http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/Firefox/ <-- open about 10+ copies of that
[00:06] <[reed]> that page is full of iframes
[00:06] <asac> ok ... goodbye ;)
[00:06] <asac> [reed]: in tabs or new windows?
[00:07] <[reed]> tabs will work
[00:07] <[reed]> usually I have lots of other tabs open
[00:07] <[reed]> too
[00:07] <[reed]> and about 5-10 tinderbox windows
[00:07] <[reed]> because I open tinderbox so many times
[00:07] <[reed]> :)
[00:08] <asac> okk ... i will open until it consumes 80% of memory :)
[00:08] <Ubulette> 55 tabs + 6 tinderbox, still ok here
[00:08] <asac> do you do anything special?
[00:08] <asac> or just open?
[00:09] <asac> [reed]: are you running gutsy?
[00:09] <Ubulette> ff3 is ~9.5% mem
[00:10] <asac> Ubulette: in the bug the guy says that it needs to be >60%
[00:11] <asac> hard to get that high
[00:11] <[reed]> yes, gutsy
[00:12] <[reed]> tinderbox refreshes every 10 min.
[00:12] <[reed]> it only happens when tinderbox does a meta refresh
[00:12] <[reed]> we need a better test case
[00:12] <[reed]> basically, a page with a ton of iframes on it
[00:12] <[reed]> that has a short meta refresh
[00:12] <[reed]> like every 15 sec. or so
[00:13] <asac> well ... that should be fairly simple ... just injecting 100K by javascript or so :)
[00:13] <asac> where do they need to point to ?
[00:14] <[reed]> dunno, make up some page? I don't think it matters
[00:15] <Ubulette> at work, i see the corrupted display with a single tab, no refresh
[00:15] <Ubulette> eg: here http://www.topachat.com/accueil/index.php
[00:15] <Ubulette> but at home it's perfect
[00:16] <Ubulette> nvidia
[00:26] <asac> Ubulette: thats the background, isn't it?
[00:26] <Ubulette> hm, yes
[00:26] <Ubulette> what do you see ?
[00:26] <asac> is that transparent ... or has alpha channel?
[00:27] <asac> welll ... while construction and scrolling it looks completely corrupted. but the non-background elements get rendered properly
[00:27] <asac> but the background stays corrupted
[00:27] <Ubulette> here it's fine, at work, it's like you
[00:29] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/corrupted.png
[00:30] <Ubulette> oh, epiphany too ?
[00:30] <asac> hmm ... i have now 1000 iframes ... takes ages to construct
[00:30] <asac> yes ... appears gecko
[00:30] <asac> my firefox is currently utilized by frame test:)
[00:32] <asac> Ubulette: i have the standard lame packages from hardy ... you likely run the latest?
[00:33] <Ubulette> my ppa has a fresh xulrunner-1.9 1.9~b3~cvs20080130t1344+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1; it's just built, i'm upgrading
[00:34] <asac> Ubulette: wierd ... my ffox doesnt have the problem :)
[00:34] <asac> just ephy
[00:34] <asac> same xul
[00:34] <asac> you sure you saw that on ffox?
[00:36] <asac> for me it looks like the background window is stale ... e.g.just doesn't redraw anymore
[00:36] <asac> looks somewhat similiar what you get for the whole window if the app blocks the ui thread
[00:36] <asac> and resize
[00:36] <asac> but here its just the background :)
[00:37] <Ubulette_> i remember it worked fine a while ago on the same box
[00:39] <[reed]> asac: are they meta refreshing?
[00:40] <asac> i don't think so ... at least it happens when opening for the first time
[00:40] <[reed]> no, your frame test
[00:40] <asac> right ... that wasa my next try ... not that many frames, but meta-refreshing :)
[00:49] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/test.html
[00:49] <asac> 10 iframes with tinderboxes refreshing
[00:52] <asac> lets try to utilize system more, by building :)
[00:53] <asac> -j10
[01:00] <asac> no idea ... whatever i do, it doesn't happen (of course :)) :)
[01:00] <asac> [reed]: maybe you should try hardy
[01:01] <asac> and see if its fixed in latest X
[01:15] <Ubulette_> waaoo, the UI changed a lot in the last few days
[01:15] <cheguevara> screeny?
[01:17] <Ubulette_> in fact, it seems it has wiped out my toolbar preferences
[01:17] <cheguevara> ...
[01:17] <Ubulette_> i've just reorganized everything
[01:18] <cheguevara> Ubulette, anything interesting in your new ppa updates today (cairo and nspr i think)
[01:18] <cheguevara> or just upsteream bumps?
[01:19] <Ubulette> and xul, i'm pushing ff3 right now so it will be all there in ~1h
[01:21] <Ubulette> I wanted to make ff3 appear in Preferred Applications but I can't remember how to do that
[01:22] <cheguevara> Ubulette, in kde or gnome?
[01:22] <Ubulette> gnome
[01:23] <cheguevara> no idea :P
[01:29] <Ubulette> ok, pushed. too bad ppa are so slow
[01:30] <cheguevara> heh
[01:33] <Ubulette> once pushed and accepted, nothing is moving for about 1h, then it enters the queue (often empty), builds and it needs ~15 more minutes to reach the archive.
[01:34] <asac> Ubulette: preferred apps are hard coded
[01:34] <Ubulette> really ? how come I have seamonkey in there ?
[01:34] <cheguevara> Ubulette, have patience :P
[01:37] <Ubulette> cheguevara, when I want to do a full rebuilt, that's a lot of patience. nspr -> nss -> xul -> ff3 that's about 6h
[01:38] <cheguevara> yeah true
[01:38] <Ubulette> locally, 1h is enough
[01:38] <asac> Ubulette: adjust depends probably, upload all at once and go play tennis :)
[01:38] <cheguevara> yeah locally you are the only one building :P
[01:38] <asac> s/probably/properly/
[01:38] <Ubulette> ppa are idle most of the time
[01:39] <asac> rational is that often people recognize an error right after the upload and reupload
[01:39] <asac> so better wait a bit, before starting to build
[01:39] <asac> (enqueue)
[01:40] <Ubulette> i've pushed nspr, waited 1h30, pushed xul. result, xul has been built before nspr :(
[01:41] <asac> Ubulette: adjust Build-Depends (if not in bzr, then just for the upload)
[01:41] <asac> the buildd will set packages to auto-depends and will start builds in right sequence
[01:42] <asac> so you can  just do dput *source.changes ... and go away for a few hours
[01:42] <Ubulette> yep, should do that but it's already a pain to keep changelog in sync
[01:42] <asac> no need to do that in bzr
[01:43] <asac> though its right thing to do in fact
[01:44] <asac> at least if you really require the version you are waiting for
[01:45] <Ubulette> i should write a script
[01:45] <Ubulette> i will
[01:47] <asac> ok, so not in bzr?
[01:48] <Ubulette> maybe in bzr, why not, it's a dedicated branch
[01:51] <Ubulette> ok, maybe i'll patch gnome-control-center tomorrow
[01:52] <Ubulette> it's in capplets/default-applications/gnome-default-applications.xml.in
[01:53] <Ubulette> asac, if you want to play: http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/?date=20080129: it says "supported xulrunner 1.9 detection"
[01:54] <Ubulette> kaze needs love, it's no longer installable
[01:54] <Ubulette>   kazehakase: Depends: ruby (< 1.9.0) but 4.1 is to be installed
[02:04] <Ubulette> asac, didn't you push totem ? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-firefox/+bug/187113
[02:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187113 in firefox-3.0 "[Hardy] Firefox-3.0 crashes when playing Apple Trailers" [Undecided,New]
[02:05] <asac> Ubulette: have a wiki account?
[02:06] <Ubulette> who?
[02:06] <cheguevara> you :P
[02:06] <asac> Ubulette: totem wasn't updated (by me)
[02:08] <Ubulette> i never used my wiki page on w.u.c
[02:08] <asac> do you have an account?
[02:08] <asac> try to edit a page ... press preview
[02:08] <asac> i see the corruption that way in firefox + ephy
[02:10] <Ubulette> i've tried with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives  no problem
[02:46] <asac_> Ubulette: you have EXA or XAA as accelmethod? maybe that makes a diff?
[02:47] <cheguevara> i don't see any corruption also (in case it matters), using XAA
[02:48] <asac_> cheguevara: when doing a previe in wiki?
[02:48] <cheguevara> actually i didn't try preview
[02:48] <cheguevara> sec
[02:49] <cheguevara> asac_, looks fine
[02:49] <cheguevara> where exactly is the corruption
[02:50] <asac_> in the frame where the preview of the document should be
[02:50] <asac_> e.g. scroll down a bit
[02:50] <asac_> damn ... still had london time ... got to go to bed
[02:51] <cheguevara> sec asac_ upping screeny
[02:52] <cheguevara> asac_, http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot5lg0.png
[03:30] <shirish> Ubulette: u still there m8?
[09:20] <asac> cheguevara: yes you don't see corruption
[10:28] <armin76> asac: www.everex.com
[10:33] <asac> looks ok
[10:33] <asac> ooo will probably eat allmem though
[11:02] <armin76> rofl
[11:02]  * armin76 kicks asac
[11:02] <armin76> i'm not talking to you about the laptop!
[11:02] <armin76> that page has the problem with the images
[11:02] <armin76> when using XAA
[11:07] <asac> armin76: is it gone with EXA?
[11:08] <armin76> yep
[11:08] <armin76> at least with intel + ati
[11:08] <armin76> =>intel-2.2.0 uses EXA by default
[11:08] <asac> you tested both ... ok
[11:08] <armin76> i'm talking about open source drivers
[11:08] <armin76> with vesa it doesn't happen
[11:09] <asac> i have that with fglrx ... and that shiity driver doesnt support EXA :)
[11:09] <armin76> http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/mozilla/wiki/StuffBroken
[11:09]  * armin76 updates
[11:09] <asac> ok ... then i don't bother the XAA issue is known afaict
[11:09] <asac> thanks for checking
[11:10] <asac> and it looks lke the corrupted image i uploaded yesterday?
[11:12] <armin76> what image?
[11:12] <armin76> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/test.html
[11:12] <armin76> this?
[11:13] <asac> nbo
[11:13] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/corrupted.png
[11:13] <asac> look at background
[11:14] <armin76> err, no
[11:15] <armin76> the issue i'm talking about is the black rectangles on images :P
[11:15] <asac> screen?
[11:15] <armin76> http://dev.gentoo.org/~maekke/ff3-image.png
[11:16] <asac> armin76: thats ubuntu?
[11:16] <asac> or gentoo
[11:16] <asac> ... which xserver version are you running?
[11:17] <armin76> gentoo <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:17] <armin76> dude, you have a bug about it :P
[11:17] <armin76> the nv thing?
[11:17] <armin76> bug 182038
[11:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182038 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "Black rectangle instead of image in FF3 [Hardy]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182038
[11:17] <asac> dont read bugs atm ;)
[11:17] <asac> yes
[11:17] <asac> i know
[11:18] <asac> (now)
[11:18] <armin76> oh, right, it doesn't happen with xorg-server 1.3 :)
[11:18] <armin76> freedesktop bug 14210
[11:18] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 14210 in Driver/nVidia (open) "Zooming in Firefox3 breaks images" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14210
[11:19] <asac> armin76: can you try if you get something similar as in my corrupted.png when you go to wiki page in ubuntu
[11:19] <asac> edit ... and then do preview?
[11:20] <asac> i could reproduce it that way in ffox + ephy
[11:20] <asac> while the screenshot i took was only ephy
[11:21] <asac> armin76: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/corrupted1.png
[11:21] <armin76> i don't have an account :P
[11:22] <asac> moo
[11:23] <asac> create one ... its free ;)
[11:23] <asac> just need to know if its the same or something different that only exists on ati
[11:24] <armin76> what xorg do you want me to test it?
[11:26] <asac> if you can reproduce it doesn't matter
[11:26] <asac> otherwise the current ubuntu if possible
[11:26] <asac> i think we are ahead of .90
[11:27] <armin76> with ati?
[11:28] <armin76> need to emerge it first, won't take much...
[11:40] <asac> so 1h ? :-P
[11:43] <armin76> less than that
[11:43] <armin76> ia64 ftw
[11:44] <cheguevara> lol
[11:45] <cheguevara> its hard to use both ubuntu and gentoo
[11:45] <cheguevara> i caught myself running emerge -Davu world on ubuntu once
[11:45] <cheguevara> :P
[11:48] <asac> does gentoo unstable (whatever that is) ... receive as many updates daily as hardy currently does?
[11:48] <asac> i couldn't deal with that i guess ... my cpu cycles are scarce enough already ;)
[11:49] <cheguevara> no
[11:49] <cheguevara> i run gentoo unstable on my server
[11:49] <cheguevara> get about 1-2 updates a day
[11:49] <asac> armin76: do you just upgrade once during cycle?
[11:50] <asac> and develop somewhere outside of the main repo?
[11:50] <cheguevara> aka overlays :P
[11:51] <asac> its really bad ... i cannot find my gutsy security directory ... hmm
[11:51] <asac> did i do that in /tmp last time?
[11:51] <armin76> hrm?
[11:51] <armin76> i don't run unstable
[11:51] <cheguevara> asac, most bumps in gentoo are upstream bumps and in gentoo they are debian and ubuntu ones, thats why there's much less updates
[11:54] <cheguevara> armin76, do you know, if there are still active people from the web-apps herd?
[11:54] <armin76> there are, slow, but there are
[11:55] <cheguevara> phpmyadmin bumb would be very nice
[11:55] <cheguevara> gentoo bug 206297
[11:55] <cheguevara> may be you could ping wrobel or someone :P
[11:57] <cheguevara> or may be even the mysql team, though i bet robbat2 won't do it :P
[11:58] <armin76> that bug is recently new :)
[11:58] <armin76> asac: with EXA it works fine
[11:58] <asac> XAA?
[11:59] <cheguevara> asac, yeah but the thing itself came out on 2008-01-14
[11:59] <cheguevara> plus according to changelog
[11:59] <cheguevara>  bug #1847409 [security] Path disclosure on
[11:59] <cheguevara>   darkblue_orange/layout.inc.php,
[12:00] <armin76> same
[12:00] <armin76> asac: ^
[12:00] <armin76> cheguevara: well, is there a security bug?
[12:01] <cheguevara> not a gentooone
[12:01] <cheguevara> there's even a CVE reference
[12:04] <cheguevara> last time i opened a phpmyadmin security bug was on 2007-11-11
[12:04] <cheguevara> new version got added on  2007-12-02
[12:04] <cheguevara> <no comments>
[12:05] <cheguevara> and that was sql injection + xss
[12:42] <Ubulette> hi
[12:43] <asac> hi
[12:43] <Ubulette> asac, at home (nvidia, no corruption at all): no XAA|EXA, at work (fglrx, background corruption), i have XAA
[12:44] <asac> yes
[12:44] <asac> did you try open source driver with EXA?
[12:44] <Ubulette> it can't do more than 800x600 so it's not usable for me
[12:54] <asac> damn
[13:01] <asac> ok my connection will be flaxky for 1.5 h nowe ... uploading a bunch
[13:10] <Ubulette> excellent: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/2008/01/31#2008-01-31-vim-lpbug-omnicomplete
[13:12] <asac> "you a list of all the bugs open in Launchpad"
[13:12] <asac> wow
[13:14] <asac> it should  try to guess some ggodmatches from changelog entry :)
[13:26] <Ubulette> good, mozilla bug 414747 is fixed. that was quick :)
[13:26] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 414747 in Extension/Theme Manager "Firefox crashes during Addons -> Find Update [@nsQueryInterface::operator()]" [Critical,Verified: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414747
[13:30] <Ubulette> lol http://blog.mozilla.com/dolske/2008/01/30/packing-efficiency/
[13:31] <Ubulette> btw, the font for that page is awful here.
[13:32] <asac> yeah
[13:32] <Ubulette> you too ?
[13:33] <asac> nope ... was about the blog
[13:38] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ff3-bad-font.png
[14:24] <asac> looks like you don't have aa
[14:25] <asac> what a storm
[14:39] <Ubulette> i do for anything else.
[14:50] <Ubulette> asac, i've modified mozclient to support TAGs for nss and nspr, so DEBIAN_TAG=NSS_3_12_BETA1=3.12~beta1 produces nss_3.12~beta1.orig.tar.gz
[14:53] <asac> great
[15:30] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/Preferred-Applications.png
[15:47] <asac> fine
[15:48] <Ubulette> i've given my debdiff to seb128. I hope i'll use it
[15:50] <Ubulette> the storm is over paris now :0
[15:52] <asac> yeah ... most likely ;)
[17:37] <cwong1> asac: ping
[17:47] <asac> cwong1: yes?
[17:47] <cwong1> cwong1: question on startup time. What do I need to do to make Midbrowser and Home Basic Flash pluin to share the same xulrunner?
[17:47] <cwong1> s/cwong1/asac/
[17:47] <asac> 1st. make home basic plash build against xulrunner-1.9
[17:48] <cwong1> ok
[17:48] <asac>  a) use pkg-config --cflags --libs libxul-embedding
[17:48] <asac> include gtkmozembed_glue.cpp in main file
[17:49] <asac> then use xpcom glue code before calling any gtk_moz_embed function
[17:49] <armin76> yay
[17:49] <armin76> asac loves transmission
[17:49] <cwong1> lol
[17:50] <asac> 2nd. build midbrowser like configure: --with-libxul-sdk=$(DEBIAN_XUL_DEV)
[17:50] <asac> with DEBIAN_XUL_DEV := $(shell echo /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9*)
[17:51] <Ubulette> asac, write that on a wiki page, that could help others ;)
[17:51] <asac> but then your changes outside of browser/ hierarchy are not used.
[17:52] <asac> (i will prepatch the gconf backend to our xulrunner ... whats left are the singleton hacks
[17:52] <asac> )
[17:52] <asac> i would suggest to live with that regression for now
[17:52] <cwong1> That sinleton hack is not needed anymore. We just just the hildon desktop to handle that.
[17:53] <asac> Ubulette: its on a wiki page XulrunnerGecko
[17:53] <cwong1> s/just just /just fix/
[17:53] <asac> cwong1: great
[17:53] <asac> then do the transition and live with the regression that gconf backend won't work till beta3 is out (we should then upgrade midbrowser as well)
[17:54] <asac> Ubulette: the page might deserve some love though
[17:54] <asac> cwong1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XulrunnerGecko
[17:54] <cwong1> thanks
[17:55] <cwong1> Btw, beta3 should be out in next couple of weeks, right?
[17:55] <asac> yes
[17:55] <asac> cwong1: the gecko startup code when using libxul-embedding-unstable looks like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4045/
[17:58] <cwong1> asac: ok, Thanks for the info.  I will start looking at this.  If I have question, I will contact you.
[18:07] <asac> cwong1: sure
[18:13] <Ubulette> asac, when does the freeze end ?
[18:13] <asac> which freeze ?
[18:13] <asac> ah alpha4?
[18:13] <Ubulette> yep
[18:13] <asac> once CDs are out
[18:14] <asac> maybe tonight ... or tomorrow
[18:14] <asac> (i would assume)
[18:14] <asac> just listen to chatter in -devel ... or join #ubuntu-release
[18:14] <asac> i think they moved release discussion there nowadays
[18:14] <asac> or #ubuntu-qa ... where they complain about CD breakage :)
[18:47] <asac> Ubulette:
[18:47] <asac> 19:40 < slangasek> stgraber: all ISOs should be posted now for testing, with the exception of xubuntu live which  is waiting for livecd-rootfs propagation
[18:47] <asac> 19:41 < stgraber> slangasek: cool, thanks
[18:47] <Ubulette> ok
[18:47] <asac> so with some luck the announcement will go out today
[18:48] <Ubulette> that means it will be shipped with an almost broken nautilus
[18:48] <Ubulette> i wonder who uses those alpha CDs anyway
[18:48] <asac> well ... alpha releases are ok to be broken :) ... things just need to install and work somehow
[18:49] <asac> lots of people
[18:49] <asac> i regularly ask bug submitter to verify if their bug is gone
[18:49] <asac> (especially those that cannot efford to upgrade to hardy like them)
[18:51] <armin76> i thought slangasek was a debian dev :D
[19:07] <asac> armin76: thats vorlon
[19:07] <armin76> i thought he was a gentoo dev!
[19:07] <armin76> j/k
[23:11] <Ubulette> damn, seamonkey-trunk is broken. 180 files are missed by make install


[00:14] <Out`Of`ControlMk> A ‘normal’ part of IRC etiquette is that in many topic-specific channels, “hey guys how’s it going” will get a pretty muted response.
[00:14] <Out`Of`ControlMk> so much of the pain is when you use the keyboard on it
[00:15] <Out`Of`ControlMk> how many students?
[00:40] <MirBp> how can I change "Capture" to 0% with alsamixer on archlinux?
[00:40] <MirBp> Small circle on a larger square. What it does right now is an 8x8 circle on an 8x8 square
[00:41] <MirBp> su -c getflag flag04 words
[00:44] <hantiTr> (own NS)
[00:44] <hantiTr> Beats writing stupid C++ hooks for Kea. :(
[00:44] <hantiTr> GenteelBen, "Die Hände über den Kopf zusammenschlagen"
[01:21] <GramnerfP> law doesn't mean shit
[01:22] <GramnerfP> touch
[01:22] <GramnerfP> what the fuck am i walking into
[01:30] <Guest4988> it also depends on the parts
[01:30] <Guest4988> Unable to load: nvidia-installer ncurses v6 user interface
[01:30] <Guest4988> Aleric: it won't crash if you do it as I tell you :)
[01:31] <Guest4988> m_ben: it is using X123X as a temporary, basically
[01:31] <Guest4988> a____ptr: I don't think you need to think of groups geometrically to construct the Cartesian product of two groups...
[01:31] <Guest4988> [ 11:28:05 ] -MemoServ- The memo has been successfully sent to iCookie.
[02:41] <XePd> Geez there are so many arcane distros i've never heard of these days.   (i'm not complaining, diversity is the spice of life!)
[02:42] <XePd> the operation froze and i had to forcibly eject it
[02:42] <XePd> will it be UB if i pass NULL to fscanf? ( i want to scan a %s just to ignore and pass over it)
[02:42] <XePd> without direction control is much simpler yes
[09:29] <Eric_TheITGuy_> yeah i did that but it starts to scrub the disk which will take forever
[09:29] <Eric_TheITGuy_> Noah_: if you're not able to complete that step, you should probably look at a prusa research mk2s or mk3... both in that budget with good support and communities
[09:29] <Eric_TheITGuy_> less enter more spacebar
[10:04] <moeijB> hm, did the version with foldr already work?
[10:04] <moeijB> tsglove: why are you building nginx?
[10:04] <moeijB> my PC's about to lock up because of process ballooning, but what the hell
[11:18] <Leeds> YouMight, try ./join #voyager
[11:18] <Leeds> if one of the Recursives reaches the end of its catamorphism before the other, i want to return the result of the finished one and the remainder of the other
[11:18] <Leeds> Pick a copy of D&F for sure
[11:18] <Leeds> guides get outdated and inaccurate
[13:44] <valdikssyC> kali_: I don't understand. what is the login screen to which you referred earlier if it isn't getty? or did you mean an x display manager?
[13:44] <valdikssyC> no_gravity: You might want to clear iptables.
[17:40] <wildsebastian> wouldn't it be better to check out how to install/run Windows on en external SSD drive? I need to have a WIN 10 handy soon myself, for one or two specific software cases, but i am reluctant to any use WIN on my laptopn internally ... I never need it on a daily base
[17:40] <wildsebastian> yup, typically I look at pin description page (page3 in this case)
[17:40] <wildsebastian> At least for a touchpad
[17:40] <wildsebastian> dataN: add parens here
[17:40] <wildsebastian> Are there ways that people commonly run applications meant for older kernels on linux that involve something other than containerization?
[22:28] <narinderguptapL> whats the common parcel service in ruski land?
[22:28] <narinderguptapL> p3rs3us: no, git reflog followed by a git reset --hard THE_GOOD_SHA, see also http://sethrobertson.github.com/GitFixUm/ : Undoing the last few git operations affecting HEAD/my branch's tip
[22:28] <narinderguptapL> I got really excited for my boot video, but nothing
[22:28] <narinderguptapL> i think it's 1:30 ;)
[22:28] <narinderguptapL> silent and efficent++
[22:55] <penteract> APFS is inevitable
[22:55] <penteract> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_RISC risc arch


[00:06] <MythbuntuGuest67> I've got a hopefully easy question...does Mythbuntu store it's config files somewhere that's accessable via, say, an SSH connection?
[00:06] <MythbuntuGuest67> The settings for mythbuntu *itself*, like where I set the commands for the file types and whatnot.
[00:07] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest67: most mythtv settings are stored in the datbase
[00:08] <rhpot1991> quite a bit of the configs are in /etc/mythtv
[00:09] <MythbuntuGuest67> Okay, thank you everyone :)
[00:54] <darthanubis> zoneminder is looking for the zm.conf file in the wrong location
[02:10] <Joker_-_> hey there
[02:10] <Joker_-_> whats the myth-tv default live-tv buffer length?
[02:11] <Joker_-_> I mean, I'm watching a show, my gf wants to do something, I pause the show. Ho wmuch time do I have on that "pause" (recording) buffer?
[02:12] <Joker_-_> and if there is such a "limited" buffer other than the drive size, how do I set it so that it records till the drive is almost full or something like that?
[04:07] <foxbuntu> Joker_-_, it will go until its out of drive space (the default limit for leaving free space on the drive is 5GB) the setting can be found in the frontend: Utils / Setup > Setup > TV Settings > General > Page 2
[04:07] <foxbuntu> ...under extra disk space
[05:11] <tritium> Hmm, no daily build today.
[05:28] <mavric> mythbuntu, buggy, sql?? cannot connect to data base error, pathetic, sagetv just plain works on a windows platform, without any major hassles, mce in linux is a joke
[05:29] <hads> heh
[05:29] <rhpot1991> !mythtv
[05:29] <Zinn> MythTV is a free Unix application which turns a computer with the necessary hardware into a network streaming digital video recorder, a digital multimedia home entertainment system, or Home Theater Personal Computer. It can be considered as a free and open source alternative to Tivo or Windows Media Center.
[05:29] <rhpot1991> !mysql
[05:29] <Zinn> If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[05:29] <rhpot1991> is that so hard?
[05:29] <foxbuntu> really?
[05:29] <hads> !refund
[05:29] <Zinn> For your refund, please pm me your SSN, your bank account number, your birthday, your mothers maiden name, the credit card number that you wish your refund to go back to, your dogs name, your neighbors kids favorite movie, and a twix bar
[05:29] <rhpot1991> if he waited 10 seconds I he woulda been fine
[05:29] <rhpot1991> !rtfm
[05:29] <Zinn> http://xkcd.com/293/
[05:29] <rhpot1991> :P
[05:30] <hads> xkcd rules
[05:30] <rhpot1991> that it does
[05:30] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:30] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: I'm in .net hell now :(
[05:30] <Zinn> rhpot1991: Please watch your language.
[05:30] <foxbuntu> someone really just logged in here, just to complain that they are far to retarded to setup a linux mce device?
[05:31] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, well, Im right there with ya
[05:32] <rhpot1991> I wasted a good portion of the past 2 days messing with the new openwrt release too
[05:32] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, yeah, you'll have that
[05:32] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, you still working on that paypal cart?
[05:33] <rhpot1991> couldn't figure out why the heck I couldn't get a connection, turns out the modem wants a different mac address than I thought, and for the life of me I can't identify what the heck that address belongs to now
[05:33] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, comcast is still doing mac filtering
[05:34] <foxbuntu> thats stupid
[05:36] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: the modem does it
[05:36] <rhpot1991> also my connection has died 6 times within the last hour :(
[05:36] <foxbuntu> nice
[05:37] <rhpot1991> they screwed me again this weekend, talked to someone on friday who was supposed to call me back and send someone saturday, never happened
[05:37] <foxbuntu> go figure
[05:42] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: make it 7
[05:43] <rhpot1991> I'm gonna write a perl script to log my downtime I think
[05:43] <foxbuntu> lol
[12:00] <Bert_2> Has anyone succeeded in getting any Nvidia TV tuner cards working under linux ?
[21:01] <darthanubis> mv: cannot stat `/var/run/motd.new': No such file or directory
[21:01] <darthanubis> even after I created such a file/dir
[21:07] <darthanubis> everytime mythtv-status is reloaded it deletes the motd.new, and just leaves motd. What gives?
[23:00] <pteague> is there something i need to add to the boot parameters for installing 64bit to an atom 330? it's dual core with hyperthreading (32bit shows 4 processors)
[23:11] <pteague> http://pastebin.com/m10cd6b0e
[23:45] <foxbuntu> pteague, do you know the part number of your particular Atom 330?
[23:46] <pteague> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121359
[23:49] <foxbuntu> pteague, based on your error and that product, I would have to say, you cant do x64 with it
[23:49] <foxbuntu> pteague, the processor is listed as EM64T, however there are versions of the processor that do not have the x64 instruction set enabled
[23:50] <foxbuntu> pteague, you would have better performance from x86 LPIA
[23:54] <foxbuntu> pteague, however, if you dont want that can of worms, go with the 32-bit generic kernel