[00:06] <fluxburn> so I typically use Fedora so couple questions on Ubuntu Studio; So it is just setup out of the box, but I need to add repositories for 3rd party drivers right?
[00:08] <rlameiro> wich drivers fluxburn ?
[00:08] <rlameiro> ussually you can use restricted drivers
[00:08] <fluxburn> oh I found that ubuntu seems to auto find the drivers... easier then Fedora. Broadcom wireless, Nvidia graphics
[00:08] <rlameiro> wireless, nvida ati etc without adding new repos
[00:08] <rlameiro> yea
[00:09] <rlameiro> i use the broadcom driver
[00:09] <rlameiro> you dont need to add repos
[00:09] <fluxburn> but I read that the RT kernel and the propeirary video drivers sometimes don't play well together
[00:09] <rlameiro> they have a restricted repo for that
[00:09] <rlameiro> with broadcom i never had problems
[00:09] <rlameiro> i dont have nvida or ati to test
[00:10] <rlameiro> but i dont see complains
[00:10] <rlameiro> altough the next ubuntustudio will release with a generic kernel or a preempt
[00:11] <rlameiro> later should come up a RT kernel on ubuntustudio team ppa
[00:20] <holstein> vlada: i would think your safe to upgrade now
[00:21] <holstein> oops, i gotta run...
[00:22] <vlada> holstein, thanx :)
[00:22] <holstein> try 'sudo update-manager -d'
[00:22] <fluxburn> cool info lameiro
[00:35] <vlada> holstein, hopefully I wont fiddle much with setting up my wacom tablet :| It worked brilliantly under 9.10...
[00:37] <vlada> gone now... thanx again
[00:51] <fluxburn> So out of the box, ubuntu studio 9.10 doesn't have support for a midi keyboard to drive virtual synths?
[01:40] <SanGohan> hello
[01:40] <SanGohan> je poste, j'arrive pas à faire apparaître les rouages dans le cube histoire de tester, faut être en transparent mais j'ai la flemme de chercher partout, le transparent s'active pas et donc je vois pas les rouages..c'est ballot..;
[02:46]  * wolfwalker_prime pokes his head in.
[02:46] <holstein> buy something, or get out wolfwalker_prime ;)
[02:47] <holstein> hehe
[02:47] <wolfwalker_prime> How long after a distro release does ubuntustudio usually take for a new release?  To wit: how long before Ubuntu Studio 10.04?
[02:47] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: there are testing iso's availalble
[02:48] <holstein> BUT the meta-packages for ubuntustudio are there
[02:48] <holstein> SO in theory, at the same time
[02:48] <wolfwalker_prime> So just install Ubuntu latest and install studio on top of it?
[02:49] <holstein> im not sure if the final iso for ubuntustudio has to follow a schedule
[02:49] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: thats what i would do
[02:50] <wolfwalker_prime> How do you change audio buffer size in Ubuntu?  I was wanting to download Ubuntu Studio because I figured it would already be low latency.
[02:50] <wolfwalker_prime> I've asked in #ubuntu several times how to change audio buffer size, no help yet.
[02:51] <holstein> you mean in JACK wolfwalker_prime ?
[02:51] <wolfwalker_prime> (And dmix has a (*@#&)$(*& large buffer)
[02:51] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[02:52] <wolfwalker_prime> No I wasn't even running Jack.  I was just fiddling with LMMS in Ubuntu.  Terrible latency for MIDI/VSTi playing though.
[02:52] <holstein> the /etc/security/limits.conf
[02:52] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: if your not running JACK
[02:52] <holstein> you shouldnt even be talking about latency in my opinion
[02:52] <holstein> JACK just takes care of a lot of that BS
[02:53] <holstein> with a real time kernal and JACK
[02:53] <holstein> you can usually get pretty low latency
[02:53] <holstein> even with internal soundcards
[02:55] <wolfwalker_prime> Oh brave new world, that has such...  I'm coming from Windows, ASIO4all, Reaper (DAW) and VSTi.
[02:55] <wolfwalker_prime> So Jack = ASIO4all?
[02:55] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: check out #opensourcemusicians
[02:55] <holstein> nice podcast
[02:55] <holstein> and community
[02:56] <holstein> really helped me get over a hardware hump at the beginning of my linux studio times
[02:58] <wolfwalker_prime> Hmmm.  I just want something that will work, work well, without a lot of fiddling.  And I want it to read my mind, automatically make the music I'm thinking about, burn it to a dvd and sell it to stores.
[02:58]  * wolfwalker_prime slaps himself back to reality.
[02:58] <holstein> you can have that
[02:58] <holstein> kind of
[02:59] <holstein> when i set up windows boxes now
[02:59] <holstein> i fiddle a LOT
[02:59] <holstein> trying to download drivers
[02:59] <holstein> install them
[02:59] <holstein> its rather fiddly
[02:59] <holstein> BUT i can remember when i thought the opposite
[03:00] <holstein> JACK and ardour are F'n awesome
[03:00] <holstein> the journey is well worth it
[03:00] <holstein> in my opinion
[03:01] <wolfwalker_prime> As I was saying... my primary interest is playing live music through my midi keyboard and computer.  Keyboard is M-audio keystation 88es, standard class-compliant MIDI-USB interface.  It worked seamlessly in regular ole Ubuntu with LMMS.
[03:01] <holstein> yup
[03:01] <holstein> i got a cheaper Maudio
[03:01] <holstein> and its plug and play too
[03:02] <wolfwalker_prime> Just the stupid latency, and nobody in #ubuntu seemed to even know what an audio or period buffer was.
[03:02] <holstein> JACK and the RT kernel is your answer
[03:02] <wolfwalker_prime> Well I would have gone cheaper if I could, but I have to have all 88.
[03:02] <wolfwalker_prime> Does the latest LTS have a realtime kernel?
[03:03] <holstein> give http://en.flossmanuals.net/Ardour/StartJackUbuntu
[03:03] <holstein> a look
[03:03] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: it doesnt come with the RT kernel
[03:03] <holstein> you can sudo aprt-get install linux-rt
[03:04] <holstein> and then you have to make sure grub lets you boot into it
[03:04] <holstein> !grub2
[03:05] <holstein> how new to linux are you?
[03:05] <wolfwalker_prime> o.O
[03:05] <holstein> you can always run uname -a
[03:05] <wolfwalker_prime> I thought you had to build a new kernel...
[03:05] <holstein> and that will let you know what kernel your running
[03:05] <holstein> sometimes the grub menus go by so fast
[03:06] <holstein> its hard to tell if you did it right
[03:06] <holstein> NAH
[03:06] <holstein> you can just install it like a package
[03:06] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: i would try JACK first
[03:06] <wolfwalker_prime> I've been using ubuntu for quite some time, years.  I'm a basic end-user though.  I don't go pasting any script I can find on the forums in a wild hope it will solve my problem, but I don't know many commands in CLI.
[03:06] <holstein> witht he generic kernel
[03:06] <holstein> that might do it
[03:06] <holstein> THEN if your not getting the latency you want
[03:06] <holstein> you can install the RT kernel
[03:07] <wolfwalker_prime> How active is Ubuntu Studio these days?  Is it still alive as a working project, going forward?
[03:07] <holstein> sure
[03:08] <wolfwalker_prime> And what DAWS are there (besides aforementioned LMMS) that will use VSTi?  I already have my instruments picked out y'see.
[03:08] <holstein> hmmm
[03:09] <holstein> i havent tried it myself
[03:09] <holstein> but, i know its a possibility
[03:10] <wolfwalker_prime> I hardly can hope my RealGuitar will work in Linux... :\
[03:12] <wolfwalker_prime> By the way etc/security/limits.conf doesn't have anything about audio.
[03:13] <holstein> limits.conf has to do with priority settings
[03:13] <holstein> for low latency
[03:13] <holstein> that link
[03:13] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[03:14] <wolfwalker_prime> Been reading that
[03:44] <wolfwalker_prime> Weeeeeeell... it's time I was a-headin for my beddin.  Thanks for the tips holstein.
[03:45]  * wolfwalker_prime buys a stein for holstein, tips his hat and saunters out the door.
[03:45] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: :)
[04:42] <nerd> ubuntu ultimate talk permitted here???
[21:58] <vlada> hi holstein
[21:59] <_pg_> hey does anyone know if 10.04 update is a ok for x64 users ?
[22:00] <_pg_> can anyone report sucess?
[22:00] <rlameiro> _pg_: well i tested the iso, they work
[22:00] <vlada> _pg_, amd64 here and working great
[22:02] <vlada> there are still some interesting quirks here and there, but those are purely cosmetic
[22:02] <_pg_> did anyone upgrade from 9.10? I am nervous about the RT kernel, heard some were having issues
[22:02] <vlada> _pg_, me. yesterday
[22:03] <_pg_> vlada: so how is that going?
[22:04] <vlada> great! kernel is still at 2.6.31, and that is what I don't understand (it's a bit outdated)
[22:04] <vlada> other then that it's great
[22:05] <vlada> well, there is ugly boot screen for us, proprietary nvidia driver users
[22:05] <_pg_> vlada: so did you just sudo update-manager -d?
[22:05] <vlada> but nothing alarming; especially given very fast boot time... ;)
[22:06] <vlada> _pg_, basically yes
[22:07] <vlada> prepare to answer a few questions during upgrade. "During" being the key word
[22:07] <_pg_> vlada: Im so afraid! lol. Did you have to do anything special with the kernel? or did it just choose the safe one by default?
[22:08] <vlada> I've left it downloading updates over the night and was surprised with window that asks questions in the morning
[22:08] <vlada> _pg_, no intervention on kernel, no
[22:09] <_pg_> vlada: I did the same thing on my other box. lol running regular ubuntu. expected it to finish the 2 hrs overnight and in the morning it has 1:45 left lol
[22:10] <vlada> not really user friendly ( as in - expected), but at lesat it's harmless
[22:12] <_pg_> vlada: agreed. I will do the update tonight!
[22:13] <vlada> :D
[23:13] <cobra-the-joker> Hey guys ... is there is a big difference between ubuntu and ubuntuStudio ... or just tools ?
[23:23] <mudfly> cobra-the-joker: It is mostly the default package selection, but there is a real time kernel also included
[23:24] <cobra-the-joker> mudfly , pardon me ...whats a real time kernel ?
[23:25] <mudfly> cobra-the-joker: provides low latency to audio and video for real time recording
[23:25] <cobra-the-joker> hmmm ...nice
[23:26] <mudfly> when you record layers on top of previously recorded audio it allows you to not have to compensate (at least as much) for hardware lag
[23:26] <mudfly> rather kernel priority lag
[23:27] <cobra-the-joker> aha
[23:28] <holstein> cobra-the-joker: also, you can install the real-time kernel to regular vanilla ubuntu too
[23:28] <holstein> sudo apt-get install linux-rt
[23:29] <holstein> if your not in a situation where you are having issues, or needing lower latency
[23:29] <holstein> i wouldnt worry about it


[00:18] <iceroot> is this still valid? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/Exporting#Full (getting all translations for a release) because https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise has 404
[07:56] <dpm> good morning all
[07:57] <sagaci> hi, so is precise opening today sometime or is it happening later on
[07:58] <dpm> sagaci, don't worry, we'll open translations soon :)
[07:59] <sagaci> heh, I just want to get them done in time for 12.04
[15:55] <andrejz> hello dpm! i will be a few (<5 minutes) late
[15:55] <dpm> andrejz, no worries, thanks for the heads up
[15:58] <kelemengabor> re
[15:59] <dpm> hi kelemengabor, all set for the call?
[15:59] <dpm> let's wait a few mins for TLE to turn up, andrejz also said he might be a few minutes late
[15:59] <kelemengabor> mostly :)
[16:02] <dpm> ok :)
[16:06] <andrejz> ok i am here
[16:07] <dpm> ok, just a sec, let me start the hang out, even if TLE is not there yet
[16:08] <dpm> ok, there we go :)
[16:08] <dpm> TLE, all set?
[16:08] <TLE> hey guys, sorry, I'll be in in a minute, you guys go ahead
[16:09] <kelemengabor> I'm here too
[16:09] <dpm> TLE, no worries, kelemengabor, andrejz, hangout started
[16:10] <dpm> kelemengabor, andrejz, TLE, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/Next
[16:14] <andrejz> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak3RvMevQNNMdFV6eDV1U29Ea3JpUUQ2SkNKTUNYZHc&hl=en_US
[16:16] <dpm> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+imports?field.filter_status=NEEDS_REVIEW&field.filter_extension=pot&batch=300
[16:21] <TLE> hey guys, I'm in, but only listening, I'll have the mic problem fixed for next time
[16:23] <andrejz> ok, TLE
[16:24] <kelemengabor> andrejz: also see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/835929 about gcc templates
[16:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 835929 in ubuntu-translations "Gcc template names (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Medium,Triaged]
[16:24] <dpm> doko
[16:24] <dpm> #ubuntu-devel
[16:25] <TLE> yes
[16:25] <TLE> appearent microphones evaporate at room temperature
[16:52] <kelemengabor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/473830
[16:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 473830 in cups (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "The cups-common binary package should not install PO files (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[17:11] <kelemengabor> andrejz: there was one thing I did not understood during the call: why is it important to ask upstream projects about enabling translations for Universe packages? I mean, we dont ask for permission in the case of Main packages, why is Universe different?
[17:13] <andrejz> hm good point. i guess the main idea is to let them know so they can use them
[17:15] <kelemengabor> that't the responsibility of the individual Ubuntu translation teams and the upstream translator of the given language, usually...
[17:15] <andrejz> true, but the idea was to make it easier
[17:16] <kelemengabor> for example, as an upstream translator I'd be certainly upset if the maintainer would use the translation made by $distributions translators without asking me
[17:18] <kelemengabor> okay, but we cannot make it much easier compared to other modules
[17:19] <kelemengabor> and we do not even notify anyone else either
[17:34] <dpm>  The meeting notes. I'll circulate them on the mailing list too:
[17:34] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/2011-12-07


[01:02] <kurros> i wonder why BQ sent so many review units out of the tablet
[07:13] <nhaines> I cannot get libertine to create a container at all.  :(
[07:14] <nhaines> It tends to break on various packages, depending on which image I use.  But in the last couple images, it breaks on x11-common and matchbox.
[08:07] <danwe> Hallo There - this is my first time here - does somebody have experience with Location Problems? I gave aquaris 4.5 and for the last two days I have no location service. anyone experience this kind of a bug? many thanks
[10:08] <saavento> Downow is not anymore on the shop, just asking
[10:18] <daniman> any viber third party app which is available for ubuntu-touch?
[10:18] <daniman> or any api for development
[10:30] <brunch875> it doesn't look like it
[10:30] <daniman> brunch875: is that for me?
[10:30] <brunch875> yes
[10:32] <daniman> what doesn't look like it?
[10:33] <brunch875> viber app
[10:33] <daniman> i can't understand
[10:33] <brunch875> It doesn't seem like there's any viber app nor any api available for development
[10:34] <daniman> damn it, i want to use viber on ubuntu-touch
[10:42] <daniman> can i dual-boot ubuntu-touch with andriod?
[10:42] <daniman> on aquarisE4.5?
[10:47] <Smurphy> What is viber BTW ? Got that phone too ...
[10:51] <vitimiti> Hi. I'm trying to test Unity 8 on the desktop, but the tutorial prompts and it wants me to do a long swipe. Because it's the desktop, I can't do any long swipes and it won't let me use the desktop until I do that. Is there a way to force the tutorial as complete through terminal so that I can directly jump into using it?
[10:53] <SylvieLorxu> You can't drag the mouse with held mouse button or so? I think that should be the same, idk :P
[10:53] <SylvieLorxu> It's a random guess though
[10:53] <SylvieLorxu> I know there's some place to set it as completed
[10:53] <vitimiti> No, it won't let me click
[10:53] <vitimiti> Only mouse movement is allowed during that part of the tutorial, I'm afraid
[10:54] <SylvieLorxu> Ah...
[10:54] <vitimiti> Oh, wait, somebody answered me in another room, thanks
[10:54] <SylvieLorxu> :P
[10:54] <vitimiti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16406808/
[10:54] <SylvieLorxu> Ah, yeah, easy one-liner, can't believe you'd need to ask for that ;)
[10:55] <vitimiti> SylvieLorxu, rude
[10:56] <SylvieLorxu> vitimiti: I added a winking smiley, don't take it so seriously. It was sarcastic because who could remember such a command
[10:56]  * SylvieLorxu shrugs
[11:06] <SylvieLorxu> vitimiti: Seeing you're back now, do note that I used a sarcastic winking smiley, my point was "Wow, that's a pretty complicated one-liner, not something anyone could figure out just like that or even remember easily" :P
[11:07] <vitimiti> SylvieLorxu, oh, yeah, sorry. My sarcasm is closer to... cynicism. I'm generally rude af when being sarcastic, don't mind me
[11:07] <SylvieLorxu> Heh
[11:54] <saavento> just had this alert before crashing x-chat and firefox
[11:54] <saavento> xchat_print called without a valid context
[12:24] <Acou_Bass> im so confused... i had HDMI out working on my nexus 4 yesterday perfectly... went to try it again, nada's
[13:19] <mimecar> hi
[13:21] <Acou_Bass> ahoy
[15:21] <skay> hah, should ubuntu-device-flash get to a progress bar that flickers from more to less? i should take a movie of this
[15:23] <skay> sorry, I didn't manage to capture it. I was going to share to ask if it is a known issue
[16:42] <Acou_Bass> skay: yeah it does flicker, because theres more than one thing being downloaded, so its as though theres like 5 progress bars at once
[16:42] <Acou_Bass> not sure if intentional but i think thats the reason :p
[17:57] <skay> Acou_Bass: thanks :)
[17:59] <skay> I'm trying to get a containr build, but always fails in the end
[17:59] <skay> is there a troubleshooting doc for that?
[19:27] <BoatyFace> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131813780607
[19:27] <BoatyFace> LG Nexus 4 E960 - 16GB - Black with UBUNTU installed
[21:01] <Manu97> Hello, I have an MX4 with the latest OTA 10.01 and there is no way to password protect it.
[21:03] <Manu97> Even after setting a PIN I just slide to unblock. Is this happening on other phones?
[21:04] <Acou_Bass> nope pin seems to work for me (nexus 4) - might be worth filing a bug for that
[21:06] <Manu97> Maybe, although I would just like to be sure it's not only mine, as I have been using terminal (but no system files)


[00:01] <ndec> rsalveti: hi... i was looking at your omap3 sgx packages.. and learn quite a few nice tricks that I didn't know. cool!
[00:03] <rsalveti> ndec: cool, feel free to copy from it :-)
[00:04] <ndec> rsalveti: for sure... the thing I didn't know was the xx.udev and xx.upstart... we have such files in our pkgs, but we are handling them in .install... will fix this.
[00:05] <rsalveti> ndec: yep, nowadays we have debhelpers for everything :-)
[00:09] <persia> ndec, It's worth checking all the completions of dh_ : most modern rules files don't invoke any of the debhelper scripts manually, but end up using lots of features.
[01:32] <GrueMaster> persia: still hanging around?  I have questions regarding dove audio.
[02:06] <persia> GrueMaster, back now.  Please ask.
[02:07] <GrueMaster> I was looking at the dove audio issue.  We hit this before in bug 451635 early in Lucid & karmic.
[02:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 451635 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 8 other projects) "defaults need adjustment on dove X0 for audible audio (affects: 1) (heat: 11)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451635
[02:08] <GrueMaster> Unfortunately, Marvell has changed codecs since then.
[02:09] <GrueMaster> It used to be an AD1980 codec.  It is now an RT655.
[02:09] <GrueMaster> From what I can tell, it only exposes what in HD audio would be the 3 main outputs (front, rear, and center/lfe).
[02:10] <GrueMaster> No headphone jack.
[02:11] <persia> Is it the case that those 6 channels are producing audio when one tries?
[02:11] <GrueMaster> Physically, it has 6 RCA jacks on what would be the back of the board.
[02:12] <GrueMaster> On the front between VGA and serial are the mic & headphone jacks.
[02:12] <GrueMaster> From what I can tell in the driver, these are not connected.
[02:12] <GrueMaster> Not sure about the physical wiring yet.
[02:13] <GrueMaster> Speaker-test works fine on the RCA plugs.  But no playback from Rhythmbox (pulseaudio actually spikes up to 50% CPU).
[02:13] <persia> Do you get any input or output from anywhere?
[02:14] <persia> Ugh.  That usually comes from internal resampling when it's misconfigured.
[02:14] <GrueMaster> I initially tried the fix we made to pulseaudio in Lucid, but no effect.
[02:15] <GrueMaster> I can try to muck up the alsa bits, but I really am out of my element on pulseaudio.
[02:16] <GrueMaster> At least I still have my X0 running Lucid for reference.
[02:16] <persia> That pulse hack doesn't seem like enough to me.
[02:16] <GrueMaster> Not that it does much good.
[02:17] <GrueMaster> The pulse hack is what got the right controls working in Lucid.  I'll have to see if it still works on Maverick on that board.  I doubt that it will, though.
[02:19] <GrueMaster> I guess I need to figure out how to get the existing audio to go through pa first.  Then I can look into the HP & Mic.
[02:21] <persia> OK.
[02:21] <persia> I've just looked through the pulse mapping configuration.
[02:22] <persia> I think the method you used last time remains the right way to address it: first make sure you have all the outputs in ALSA, then review the mapping in the pulse configuration.
[02:24] <GrueMaster> Ok
[02:25] <GrueMaster> I'm looking at alsamixer now and will compare with lucid on X0.
[02:26] <persia> I think I understand what crimsun was doing, and we can probably replicate that if we need, but I think the more important part is that you aren't seeing the headphones in ALSA.
[02:27] <persia> (at least for the problem with the mic & headphone jacks)
[02:28] <persia> For the "it doesn't work in Rhythmbox on the RCA jacks" issue, I have a sense that we'll end up with a slightly different solution if we try to sort that now vs. first getting everything represented in ALSA, and I'd rather only try to do it once.
[02:28] <GrueMaster> Ok, nothing in alsamixer affects HP jack.  Very odd.
[02:28] <persia> Not really, if the jack isn't exposed.
[02:29] <persia> alsamixer can only act on elements exposed by the driver
[02:29] <GrueMaster> Well, yea.  Just odd that if it isn't used, why is it on the board.
[02:30] <GrueMaster> I guess I will need to dig for specs on that codec then.  Usually the codec driver exposes all to alsamixer.
[02:30] <GrueMaster> It currently shows a lot more than the machine dai has defined.
[02:30] <persia> I expect there is intent to use it eventually, but it wasn't a priority for porting.
[02:31] <persia> It's not an issue if there is stuff not exposed in the DAI, as long as it's also not wired to anything :)
[02:31] <rsalveti> cooloney: hey!
[02:32] <rsalveti> cooloney: third time I'm compiling the kernel and seems to be fine
[02:32] <rsalveti> will continue stressing the system to see if I still get the bus error
[02:33] <cooloney> rsalveti: hey, man. do you mean 2G:2G split with npitre's VMALLOC_END patch?
[02:33] <rsalveti> cooloney: yep
[02:33] <cooloney> yeah, i think so
[02:33] <rsalveti> highmem = 0k
[02:33] <cooloney> that's is workaround for us, if we have to workaround it before 10/10 release
[02:34] <cooloney> rsalveti: exactly
[02:34] <rsalveti> will let it running during the night, let's see if it'll go well
[02:34] <cooloney> cool
[02:34] <cooloney> i am trying to find out highmem usage when bus errors pop up
[02:34] <cooloney> any suggestion?
[02:34] <cooloney> i think we already enabled CONFIG_DEBUG_USER
[02:35] <rsalveti> cooloney: hm, that's what I was going to ask you
[02:35] <rsalveti> CONFIG_DEBUG_USER=y
[02:35] <rsalveti> yep
[02:38] <cooloney> i enabled CONFIG_DEBUG_PAGEALLOC=y
[02:39] <npitre> cooloney: just recreate the bus error, then see what dmesg says about it
[02:39] <rsalveti> also, shouldn't we set user_debug at the cmdline?
[02:40] <npitre> cooloney: you should get a full register dump and stack trace, etc.
[02:40] <rsalveti> npitre: Unhandled fault: imprecise external abort (0x1406) at 0x2b805000
[02:40] <cooloney> rsalveti: yeah, like that.
[02:40] <rsalveti> and the kernel build: internal compiler error: Bus error
[02:41] <cooloney> npitre: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/499410/
[02:41] <cooloney> something like this
[02:45] <npitre> hmmmmmm
[02:46] <npitre> you will have to dig in the OMAP4 and/or the Cortex A9 manual to find out about what may cause an imprecise external abort
[02:47] <npitre> is it possible to boot this thing with L2 cache disabled?
[02:47] <npitre> that would be another thing to test
[02:51] <npitre> also, does the stack backtrace go back to __dabt_svc or __dabt_usr?
[02:58] <GrueMaster> persia: Sweet.  They are using a Realtek ALC655.   I say that because they always have had excellent documentation online.
[02:58] <persia> Oh, nice!  This oughtn't be that hard at all.
[03:09] <cooloney> npitre: let me try to disable L2 cache.
[03:10] <cooloney> npitre: and it looks like the oops is from __dabt_usr()
[03:58]  * freeflying
[04:03] <npitre> cooloney: strange
[04:04] <npitre> cooloney: this actually looks like if the external abort occurred while the CPU was already in __dabt_usr
[04:13] <cooloney> npitre: yeah. i am digging in the Cortex manual.
[04:13] <cooloney> for imprecise external abort, it looks like no specific root cause.
[04:15] <cooloney> but there is an errata of Cortex A9 MPCore
[04:15] <cooloney> npitre: 743626: An imprecise external abort received while the processor enters WFI may cause a processor deadlock
[06:41] <rsalveti> cooloney: npitre: ouch, got the bug without highmem :-(
[06:42] <rsalveti> but now a little different: Bad mode in data abort handler detected
[06:42] <rsalveti> let me paste it
[06:43] <rsalveti> and now instead of a bus error I got a segfault in gcc
[06:44] <rsalveti> the only difference is that I'm not building the kernel with -j3
[06:44] <rsalveti> *now
[07:07] <rsalveti> this bad mode issue seems worse than the external abort...
[08:04] <hrw> morning
[14:43] <jo-erlend> can I use debs for maemo in Maverick?
[14:45] <jo-erlend> thought I'd try x2goclient on my igepv2 and see if it's a viable thinclient in my environment, but the only ARM packages I can find is for maemo.
[14:47] <rsalveti> persia: thanks for the review, will go over it later today
[14:54] <ogra> oh, did he find aynthing ?
[14:54]  * ogra didnt get any inof about it
[14:55] <jo-erlend> just can't get inof? :)
[14:56] <rsalveti> ogra: sent just for me, will go over the list then and ask you a new review :-)
[14:57] <rsalveti> if we're fine, we can try to push them
[15:00] <ogra> rsalveti, awesome
[15:07] <cwillu_at_work> jo-erlend, if you can get a source package, rebuilding it is probably straightforward;  otherwise, the deb may or may not work, depending on a bunch of stuff
[15:07] <jo-erlend> I've never created a package before.
[15:09] <persia> rsalveti, Mind you, it's *very* pedantic: don't worry if some things turn out to be annoying or hard.
[15:10] <isbric> is there any way to bypass oem-install on first boot?
[15:11] <persia> isbric, There are a bunch of ways, but that would leave you without a user.  What are you seeking to accomplish?
[15:11] <isbric> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Lucid_10.04.1
[15:12] <isbric> i dont have a monitor, thats the main problem
[15:13] <rsalveti> persia: sure, np :-)
[15:13] <isbric> "Note: On first boot, you must use an DVI/LCD monitor, oem-config seems to force tty0.. 2nd boot you can switch to serial by default.."
[15:15] <isbric> persia: trying to finish the install with ttyS0
[15:20] <persia> isbric, Ah.  I understand.  I think there's no way to complete it with the current images.
[15:20] <persia> I think you'd need to build new images that used the debconf front-end for configuration, but I don't know that anyone defined an oem-config harness for that interface.
[15:32] <cwillu_at_work> jo-erlend, sorry, went afk
[15:32] <cwillu_at_work> jo-erlend, that's not what I asked :p
[15:32] <jo-erlend> cwillu_at_work, did you ask me anything?
[15:32] <cwillu_at_work> jo-erlend, if you can get a source package for the deb, then there's a good chance that dpkg-buildpackage will Just Work and give you a working binary deb that you can then Just Install.
[15:33] <cwillu_at_work> jo-erlend, I didn't use a question mark :p
[15:33] <jo-erlend> really? That'd be nice.
[15:33] <jo-erlend> I'll have to look into that.
[15:33] <cwillu_at_work> jo-erlend, you on ubuntu right now?
[15:33] <jo-erlend> yes.
[15:33] <cwillu_at_work> jo-erlend, open a terminal, make an empty directory, cd into that directory
[15:34] <cwillu_at_work> next, apt-get build-dep xsplash
[15:34] <cwillu_at_work> next, apt-get source xsplash
[15:34] <jo-erlend> seems they don't make source debs available. They publish tar.gz packages only.
[15:34] <cwillu_at_work> okay;  that's not impossible to deal with either :p
[15:35] <cwillu_at_work> generally, unpacking the tar.gz, and then running ./configure, then make, will compile the package
[15:35] <cwillu_at_work> if one is lazy at that point, a make install will generally install it, or you can use checkinstall to make a deb of questionable quality
[15:35] <cwillu_at_work> in many cases, that's everything you need
[15:35] <jo-erlend> checkinstall is new to me.
[15:35] <cwillu_at_work> !checkinstall
[15:36] <ubot2> checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running!
[15:36] <jo-erlend> thanks. I'll go read now. :)
[15:37] <cwillu_at_work> more fun to just dive in :)
[15:38] <jo-erlend> hehe, not when things go wrong and you have to spend a week fixing the problems you wouldn't have had if you spent the ten minutes reading the manual first. :)
[15:44] <jo-erlend> ok, I've give it a go. Thanks. :)
[16:34]  * rsalveti lunch
[17:01] <rlameiro> morning
[17:03] <rlameiro> are there any know USB bugs on IGEPv2 or Beagle board?
[17:04] <rlameiro> i searched in launchpad and found nothing, maybe I am doing someting wrong
[17:04] <ogra> there are known HW bugs with beagle afaik
[17:04] <ogra> with the pre-C4 boards
[17:05] <rlameiro> ogra: the problem is that a device only works if pluged on start up
[17:05] <rlameiro> and if i take it out, and try to put something there again, it will not enumerate
[17:05] <ogra> what board specifically (nobody here has an IGEP2)
[17:05] <rlameiro> I have :D
[17:06] <ogra> well, let me rephrase ... what beagle ? :)
[17:06] <rlameiro> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/499799/
[17:06] <ogra> which revision
[17:06] <rlameiro> ahh
[17:06] <rlameiro> IGEPv2 revision 3
[17:06] <rlameiro> its one of the most recents one
[17:07] <ogra> since the arm team doesnt have IGEP2 its very likely that we miss bugs there
[17:07] <ogra> (and very unlikely that we get them fixed in time for maverick this late in the cycle, but you can try)
[17:07] <ogra> i wouldnt expect more than one kernel upload for omap3 anymore before release though
[17:08] <ogra> (i know there are already a bunch of IGEP2 fixes, if you can send patches along with the bug they might make it in)
[17:09] <ogra> s/fixes/pending fixes/
[17:09] <rlameiro> problem is that i am not a programer
[17:09] <rlameiro> just user, trying to put the board making sound properly
[17:09] <lool> rlameiro: That sounds like a bug; I think you should file it against the kernel you're running
[17:10] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, I have the same board and the same problem.
[17:10] <rlameiro> I even bought a 30USD hub, bigger than my board to check if it was because i was using to much power on the usb rail...
[17:10] <devilhorns> ogra, speaking of maverick ... is there anything that you need from me for that release ? (any more bugs, etc, etc) ?
[17:10] <ogra> devilhorns, no, but i got you access to the upstream tree
[17:10] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, have you tried rsalvetis recent kernels?
[17:10] <rlameiro> jo-erlend_igep: ok, so we can join forces :D
[17:10] <ogra> devilhorns, mail coming with URL
[17:10] <devilhorns> ogra, w00t ! :) thanks :)
[17:11] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, gladly. One big problem here, is that those who know what to do, don't have the hardware and we who have the hardware doesn't know what to do. :)
[17:11] <ogra> lool, does linaro possibly have fixes ubuntu could pull in ?
[17:11] <rlameiro> jo-erlend_igep: problem is that i Cant file bugs against other kernels that arent from ubunto or linaro
[17:11]  * devilhorns now has to learn bzr for commits :)
[17:11] <rlameiro> no one will look at them
[17:11] <rlameiro> i want to fix ubuntu
[17:12] <ogra> rlameiro, you should probably talk to the linaro guys, they might have patches for the issue we are just missing in the ubuntu kernel
[17:12] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, I've been acting as rsalvetis bot for a few days, and now screen and networking is working. Bluetooth and sound is not working and I cannot connect to wpa-protected wifis.
[17:12] <lool> ogra: I didn't hear of a fix for this specific issue
[17:12] <ogra> lool, ok
[17:12] <ogra> but you seem not to see it in linaro
[17:12] <rlameiro> ogra: why doesnt canonical just order a board, or even ask one for free? its only 145€....
[17:12] <lool> jo-erlend_igep: Oh WPA was working for me with libertas-firmware
[17:13] <lool> ogra: I didn't say that
[17:13] <ogra> rlameiro, we'll likely do that for natty ...
[17:13] <ogra> lool, no, was an assumption i shamelessly made :)
[17:13] <lool> rlameiro: You're asking weird things  :-)
[17:13] <rlameiro> free boards?
[17:13] <lool> rlameiro: In any case, Linaro is also trying to support IGEP in their own OMAP kernels, and we do have some IGEPs
[17:13] <jo-erlend_igep> lool, really? I have installed libertas-firmware.
[17:13] <ogra> rlameiro, for maverick our main focus is and was omap4, we also did omap3 but only focusing on beagle C4 and XM
[17:14] <rlameiro> free board is awesome :P
[17:14] <ogra> for natty we might add IGEP2 to our list of HW to work with
[17:14] <lool> rlameiro: You're asking Canonical to spend money and (more importantly) engineering time on IGEP; if you wonder why it's not being done, it's just because of the cost versus other things we could work on   :-)
[17:14] <rlameiro> ogra: I got that, only problem is that almost no one has omap4, but omap3
[17:14] <rlameiro> anyway, it is not my bussines anyway
[17:14] <lool> jo-erlend_igep: I didn't test in the last couple of weeks, but it was the only thing which worked for me, yes
[17:15] <ogra> omap4 vs omap3 will change quickly as soon as the boards are on the market
[17:15] <lool> rlameiro: You're looking at the problem from the angle of "what would be the most profitable to the community", but another angle to the question is how to pay the engineers working on bugs
[17:15] <jo-erlend_igep> I wonder how much faster omap4 will be IRL.
[17:15] <rlameiro> ogra: true, but that means that the people that already have ompa3 boards need to go for ompa4.....
[17:16] <rlameiro> lool: I will glady donate for specific things
[17:16] <rlameiro> not for beagle Xm
[17:16] <jo-erlend_igep> didn't we use to have "bounties"?
[17:16] <ogra> rlameiro, well, our team is small we only have so much manpower to support three arches currently
[17:16] <rlameiro> ogra: I know, and it is nothing against you, really
[17:16] <lool> rlameiro: This is a nice thing of you; thanks for offering that!  I'm afraid Canonical itself is not setup to receive direct user donations (AFAIK), but perhaps you can offer a bounty to an interested developer/company to fix our pet bugs?
[17:17] <rlameiro> people have always to much work, and to few people
[17:17] <ogra> rlameiro, i didnt take it as something against me/us :)
[17:17] <lool> rlameiro: True
[17:17] <lool> What would be interesting is whether the bug is also present on other OMAP3 boards like beagles or beagle XMs
[17:17] <rlameiro> lol, why would it be against you???
[17:18] <lool> and also whether it's present in the upstream tree or not
[17:18] <ogra> rlameiro, we like to fix bugs (and as you can see on rsalveti helping jo-erlend, we even do it actively as good as we can)
[17:18] <lool> It might just be a kernel config being mis-set
[17:18] <ogra> rlameiro, the main problem is the time of release you approach us
[17:18] <ogra> a month ago everything was easier
[17:18] <rlameiro> ogra: I know. my only problem is with the "upper" people
[17:18] <ogra> the later we get into the cycle the harder it gets to make changes
[17:19] <ogra> which "upper" people ?
[17:19] <rlameiro> they market ARM as the big bet , but then puts little engineers on it and then they need to make everything
[17:19]  * jo-erlend_igep is really grateful for the help rsalveti has given him.
[17:19] <ogra> we actually can work fine with community members to fix HW we dont have but that requires far more time
[17:20] <ogra> which measn such things need to show up earlier in the cycle or they will suffer from our focus on HW we actualyl have
[17:20] <rlameiro> ogra: and I really love to do that to :D
[17:20] <rlameiro> I filed some bugs already and help debuging some stuff also
[17:20] <ogra> yes, i saw that
[17:20] <ogra> and you are doing great :)
[17:20] <rlameiro> yea early on the cycle i couldnt even boot my board with ubuntu....
[17:21] <ogra> i also dont want to turn you down in what you do, i'm just trying to explain the situation
[17:21] <rlameiro> ogra: you dont need to explain, you make a great job in here, believe me.
[17:21] <lool> rlameiro: Is there a LP bug # for the USB issue you mentioned earlier?
[17:21] <ogra> if you file a bug it will definitely be taken care of ... its just not clear if it will make it into the release or has to wait for an update or worst case for next release
[17:22] <rlameiro> lool: no, thats why i felt it was weird, because its a really common thing
[17:22] <lool> ogra: By whom?
[17:22] <ogra> lool, for what ?
[17:22] <lool> rlameiro: Would be good if you could file it, explaining which devices you're testing, on which USB port etc.
[17:22] <ogra> lool, the SRU or the next release ?
[17:22] <lool> ogra: You say it will be taken care of
[17:22] <ogra> by the kernel team or us
[17:22] <ogra> or linaro
[17:22] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, the USB issue, as I understand it, is that if you disconnect and reconnect a USB device, then it's not  being recognized? Does this also affect keyboard and mouse?
[17:23] <lool> ogra: Are you folks committed to fixing OMAP3/IGEP bugs?
[17:23] <ogra> or a combination of these
[17:23] <ogra> no
[17:23] <ogra> but there is interest on our side to have them fixed
[17:23] <ogra> as there is interest to get all other omap3 HW working
[17:23] <lool> Oh ok, you were saying "it will definitely be taken care of", so I wondered
[17:23] <rlameiro> jo-erlend_igep: yes, my mouse isnt reconigzed after I unplug something
[17:23] <ogra> someone will do it, i'm sure
[17:23] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, have you tried the new kernel from rsalveti?
[17:24] <ogra> lool, i know rsalveti cant sleep if bugs exiost in the world :) and i know mpoirier has interest in IGEP2
[17:24] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, I no longer have that problem, but I remember having it in the beginning.
[17:24] <rlameiro> no, jo-erlend_igep but as i said, i wanted to help debug stuff in ubuntu, but it seems i will need to use other kernels
[17:25] <lool> ogra: Ok; I don't want jo-erlend_igep and rlameiro to be disappointed if you say it will definitely be taken care of, but then it might not
[17:25] <lool> I'm certainly interested in having it in our list of Linaro IGEP bugs if it can be reproduced with Linaro kernels
[17:25] <ogra> lool, well, given linaro uses that HW i would expect you guys to hit the same bug at some point for example ...
[17:25] <ogra> so there might be a patch that suits both teams
[17:25] <rlameiro> lool: I iam runing a linaro kerne
[17:25] <rlameiro> *kernel
[17:26] <lool> rlameiro: And you have the same issue?
[17:26] <rlameiro> lool: yes
[17:26] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, I'm using rsalvetis kernel. The only thing that doesn't work, is audio, bluetooth, and possible wlan. I haven't had time to really look into the wlan issues yet.
[17:26] <rlameiro> lool: the most recent linaro kernel on the repos
[17:26] <armin76> lool: you don't get cool hw anymore? :P
[17:26] <lool> armin76: ?
[17:26] <ogra> armin76, IGEP2 isnt cool ?
[17:26] <armin76> well, its not an omap4
[17:27] <lool> I don't have OMAP4, no
[17:27] <rlameiro> jo-erlend_igep: for the wlan, you need to put the libertas firmware in helper by hand, i am not sure if they are opensource
[17:27] <ogra> its also not a tegra2
[17:27] <ogra> nor an xscale
[17:27] <lool> rlameiro: Nope; but the package in multiverse worked forme
[17:28] <lool> rlameiro, jo-erlend_igep: So would either of you please report the USB issue with the exact kernel version, USB port, and device you folks are using?
[17:28] <rlameiro> IGEPv2 wat the first dev board to have LAN, wifi, bluetooth 512/512mb on the market
[17:28] <ogra> GrueMaster, hey, i fixed the "all headers installed" issue :)
[17:28] <jo-erlend_igep> lool, I no longer have that issue, so that'll be a bit difficult.
[17:28] <GrueMaster> cool
[17:28] <ogra> tomorrows images will only ship the actually needed headers
[17:28] <lool> jo-erlend_igep: Oh you *don't* have the USB issue, so it got solved by a kernel update?
[17:28] <GrueMaster> Heh.  Promises, promises.  :P
[17:28] <rlameiro> lool: where do i file it? lp?
[17:28] <ogra> heh
[17:28] <lool> rlameiro: Yup
[17:29] <lool> rlameiro: Ideally, just "ubuntu-bug linux-linaro" or linux if you're running an Ubuntu kernel
[17:29] <jo-erlend_igep> lool, I _think_ one of salvetis kernels fixed it. That is to say: I think I had the problem, but if I did, I don't anymore. :)
[17:29] <lool> jo-erlend_igep: hmm ok
[17:29] <ogra> so there is a patch *somewhere*
[17:29] <ogra> :)
[17:30] <ogra> hidden in rsalveti's branch on the ubuntu git server i bet :)
[17:30] <jo-erlend_igep> lool, not the best comment for a bug: «This was maybe fixed by something that somebody might have done.»
[17:31] <lool> jo-erlend_igep: Yeah
[17:31] <lool> I'm counting on rlameiro to file the bug though, as he is seeing it
[17:31] <ogra> jo-erlend_igep, "that was fixed with a manual build i got from ... "
[17:31] <ogra> ;)
[17:33] <rlameiro> doing it now, plus debbuging
[17:42] <mpoirier> berco: good morning
[17:43] <mpoirier> Irg: good morning
[17:46] <rlameiro> done lp#646985
[17:46] <rlameiro> done lp #646985
[17:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 646985 in linux-linaro (Ubuntu) "[IGEPv2 board] The USB systems cease to work after an unplug event on linux linaro kernel (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/646985
[17:47] <rlameiro> lool: ping
[17:48] <rlameiro> jo-erlend_igep: maybe you can comment on this bug saying what kernel you use and that you dont have the problem anymore
[17:49] <lool> rlameiro: Could you note which of the USB ports you're using?
[17:49] <lool> rlameiro: Hub/no hub and the like
[17:49] <rlameiro> ok
[17:51] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, sure.
[17:51] <rlameiro> lool: updated
[17:51] <lool> rlameiro: If you're tempted to compare with the Ubuntu omap kernel, that would be interesting
[17:52] <rlameiro> lool: it didnt work also
[17:52] <lool> I'm personally kicking builds of linux and linux-omap with the Linaro OMAP; perhaps these might hint at what's wrong?
[17:52] <lool> rlameiro: Could you note which version you tried?
[17:52] <rlameiro> wich version of the ubuntu kernel?
[17:52] <lool> rlameiro: If that's the latest, then I'll add a task on the Ubuntu omap kernel
[17:52] <lool> rlameiro: yup
[17:53] <lool> Grmpf, my vm went down again
[17:53] <lool> this is tiring
[17:53]  * rsalveti back
[17:54] <rlameiro> lool: it was this version linux-image-2.6.35-22-omap
[17:54] <lool> rlameiro: Do you have the version of the package as well?
[17:54] <lool> rlameiro: The "version" in the package name is just the ABI
[17:54] <rlameiro> .33
[17:55] <jo-erlend_igep> rsalveti, I never installed the linux-firmware-image_<IP_ADDRESS>+43_armel.deb package. Should I?
[17:55] <lool> rlameiro: Ok, that's almost the latest kernel in Ubuntu, and the latest one doesn't seem to touch anything related
[17:55] <rsalveti> jo-erlend_igep: you could, don't know if it'll make any difference for you
[17:56] <lool> the only ARM change is "Adding vdd_sdi regulator supply to OMAP3EVM
[17:56] <lool> "
[17:56] <rsalveti> depends on what firmwares you actually need
[17:56]  * rsalveti reading the backlog
[17:58]  * rlameiro is going to eat something, bugs make him hungry
[18:01]  * prpplague gives rlameiro some fried beattles and baked crikets
[18:04] <rsalveti> jo-erlend_igep: are you sure you're using the same hardware rlameiro has?
[18:05] <jo-erlend_igep> almost.
[18:05] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, you're using igepv2 rc?
[18:05] <rlameiro> I am using a IGEPv2 rev 3
[18:05] <rlameiro> rc 3
[18:05] <jo-erlend_igep> oh. I'm using rc1.
[18:06] <rsalveti> hm
[18:06] <rlameiro> in the back i have RC and a 3 writen by hand
[18:07] <rlameiro> jo-erlend_igep: can you check yours?
[18:07] <rlameiro> in the back?
[18:07] <rsalveti> rlameiro: without the usb-hub, does it also happens when you just use a mouse?
[18:08] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, I just did. It sais IGEP 0020 RC and then a hand written 1.
[18:08] <rsalveti> I mean, using the mouse directly, without an usb-hub in the middle
[18:08] <rlameiro> not sure, i will need to reboot and all the process again, but the mouse is usb 1.1 and the usb host oin the board is just/only 2.0, ence the need of a hub
[18:08] <rlameiro> ok, more is more recent
[18:08] <rsalveti> hm
[18:12] <rlameiro> rsalveti: did you had acces to igep's kernel source?
[18:12] <rsalveti> got the access to the website, but still didn't download it
[18:13] <rsalveti> let me take a look on it
[18:13] <rlameiro> do you want me put it on my dropbox for you?
[18:14] <rsalveti> rlameiro: it'd be good to test with the stock kernel from igep, maybe they have the patch already but just didn't publish it
[18:14] <rlameiro> rsalveti: with the mouse directly connected to the USB host on board, nothing
[18:15] <rsalveti> rlameiro: nothing you mean it wasn't even recognized during boot?
[18:15] <rlameiro> is there some tool that allows to visualize the diff of 2 kernel folders?
[18:15] <rlameiro> rsalveti: yes
[18:15] <rsalveti> diff would be enough, but I'm looking more to a git tree or something like that
[18:15] <rsalveti> to see the patches
[18:15] <rlameiro> but as I said, it is a 2.0 port, so it needs a hub to recognise a 1.1 usb
[18:16] <rlameiro> they have a git repo
[18:16] <rsalveti> rlameiro: do you have any other usb device that's 2.0?
[18:16] <rlameiro> rsalveti: i am afraid not, everything is 1.1 compliant
[18:17] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, may I suggest that you try the rsalvetis kernel and see if that fixes it? At least that would confirm that something has changed in a good way.
[18:18] <rsalveti> http://git.igep.es/
[18:18] <rsalveti> the weird thing is that I don't have any usb-related patch...
[18:21] <rlameiro> jo-erlend_igep: yes, i think i will do that
[18:21] <jo-erlend_igep> is it possible that I had that problem with the Poky installation that came with the board, come to think of it. I'm just not sure anymore.
[18:21] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, great, then we will know for sure.
[18:26] <rlameiro> rebooting...
[18:29] <rlameiro> rsalveti: happens the same
[18:29] <rlameiro> with you v4 image
[18:29] <rsalveti> rlameiro: so this is probably related with your board revision
[18:29] <rlameiro> weird..
[18:29] <rsalveti> I'm digging the git tree to see if I see something
[18:30] <rsalveti> rlameiro: do you have the board changelog between revisions?
[18:30] <rlameiro> jo-erlend: can you unplug your hub and plug it again to se if it works?
[18:30] <rsalveti> I'd bet we have a link for it, just didn't find it yet
[18:30] <rlameiro> rsalveti: i am searching it
[18:31] <rsalveti> usb: make disconnect and suspend interrupts work again
[18:31] <rsalveti> from kernel changelog
[18:31] <rsalveti> let me dig the commit
[18:31] <rsalveti> rlameiro: ^
[18:32] <rlameiro> hummm
[18:32] <rsalveti> http://git.igep.es/?p=pub/scm/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ea712c38bd5e948d8f2a14d0c5bf4551032fe5b;hp=6fe3e7e1222a3ade418ad8c3b0542686a9a41f30
[18:34] <rsalveti> but I believe we have this commit already...
[18:34]  * ogra_ac guesses that will interfer with other omap boards
[18:34] <rsalveti> we already have it
[18:34] <ogra_ac> ah
[18:35] <jo-erlend_igep> rsalveti, I just did. Everything works.
[18:35] <rsalveti> their tree is based on 2.6.33 =\
[18:35] <ogra_ac> ugh
[18:36] <rlameiro> so, it could be because this is a different tree?
[18:37] <ogra_ac> its three versions behind the current development tree
[18:38] <ogra_ac> *and* it is a separate tree (linux-omap vs linux)
[18:38] <rsalveti> good thing is that it seems they are maintaining a tree by rebasing their changes to 2.6.36
[18:38] <ogra_ac> ah cool
[18:39] <rsalveti> yup, much easier to get the fixes :-)
[18:39] <rlameiro> rsalveti: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1333955/MAN-PR-IGEP.0020.HW_USER_MANUAL.pdf
[18:40] <rlameiro> page 16 starts talking about revisions, mine is a revision C.
[18:42] <rlameiro> jo-erlend: can you please confirm you revision, if it is C or not?  if it is a B revision it should have writen on the board in white IGEP0020-RB1
[18:43] <GrueMaster> Just fyi, I did a hot unplug, wait 10s, plug of my usb hub on my beagle.  Everything (keyboard, mouse, network, and usb drive with test media) came back no problem.
[18:51] <GrueMaster> Interesting info in the beagle manual on the C3>C4 changes.  *Might* be applicable.  "Uboot:  Turning on VAUX2 for the EHCI fix" and A more advanced fix for the EHCI noise issue on Rev C3 board. This involves a
[18:51] <GrueMaster> change in the power circuitry for the 1.8V rail supplied to the EHCI PHY interface. The power is now derived from the VAUX2 on the TPS65950 through a
[18:51] <GrueMaster> filter circuit.
[18:51] <GrueMaster> I wonder if any of that applies, since the IGEP is based on the beagleboard designs.
[18:51] <rsalveti> rlameiro: http://git.igep.es/?p=pub/scm/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=4911716a8b50fa080e613d2005d7d9a81255c0ca;hp=77fd21409771b51a3969da1f1724854901071e3f
[18:52] <rsalveti> at this patch there's the code to identify the revisions, and set the correct pins for wlan and bt
[18:52] <rsalveti> not related with usb though, but should also be applied
[18:53] <rsalveti> I'm fetching the tree but I'm getting 14KiB/s :-(
[18:53] <rlameiro> rsalveti: they have slow servers
[18:53] <jo-erlend_igep> rlameiro, as I understand it, mine is revision c rc 1.
[18:54] <rlameiro> ok, so mine has a 3 writen by hand, so it shouldnt be an hardware change, else they would write it on the board, its just for tracking of lots maybe
[18:55] <lool> rsalveti: I think they have newer trees than .33
[18:55] <lool> and at least for the kernel, they are sending some patches upstream
[18:55] <rsalveti> lool: they have, these links I sent are all target for 2.6.36
[18:56] <lool> rsalveti: http://git.igep.es/?p=pub/scm/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/linux-2.6.35.y for instance seems to be their .35 tree
[18:57] <rsalveti> lool: I'm trying to fetch the tree to see all the patches that could be important for us
[18:57] <rsalveti> but will take a while, very slow server
[18:58] <lool> you're pulling from a linux base, right?
[18:58] <lool> I mean --reference
[19:00] <rsalveti> lool: this branch is a merge branch from linaro, it seems
[19:00] <rsalveti> not a rebase one, so need to check the differences comparing trees
[19:00] <rsalveti> but doesn't seems to have any important fix related to usb
[19:02] <lool> rsalveti: From linaro really?
[19:02] <lool> I was expecting from linux-omap
[19:02] <rsalveti> lool: well, there's a merge from linaro
[19:03] <rsalveti> http://git.igep.es/?p=pub/scm/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a500156f2acfe06f270ba02ac004bae548e12d2;hp=27498d7ece6e964b9350aaad1fda1bd3d67e5c25
[19:03] <rsalveti> rlameiro: lool: maybe this patch could help
[19:04] <rsalveti> setting gpio for external vbus
[19:05] <rlameiro> maybe
[19:06] <rlameiro> its possible that is related to some change on the voltage when its unplugged that shuts down the power to that bus
[19:06] <rsalveti> rlameiro: once the fetch is completed I'll generate a new deb for you to test
[19:07] <rsalveti> rlameiro: could be
[19:07] <lool> rsalveti: I find it really cool that they merge from Linaro
[19:08] <rlameiro> rsalveti: i just dont get why does it work with jo-erlend_igep ...
[19:09] <rlameiro> well, there is always the chance of hardware bug
[19:09] <rlameiro> very unlikely, but possible
[19:09] <rsalveti> rlameiro: yep, and could also be related with the peripherals he's using
[19:09] <rsalveti> rlameiro: are you sure your usb hub is not pulling energy from the usb?
[19:09] <rsalveti> it very common to find usb hubs that doesn't respect that and pulls a lot of energy from the usb
[19:09] <rlameiro> this one, no, i bought it today on porpuse, beacuse of that
[19:10] <rsalveti> even the powered ones
[19:10] <rlameiro> it has is own power supply
[19:10] <DanaG> I've seen some USB hubs that, when powered, push power back into the upstream port.
[19:10] <rlameiro> well, that i cant say..
[19:10] <GrueMaster> rlameiro: What is the ps supplied amperage?
[19:10] <rsalveti> urgh, that's ugly
[19:10] <DanaG> Rosewill has some USB hub power-adapters that give well over 5 volts when not heavily loaded.
[19:11] <rlameiro> GrueMaster: the hub power supply its rated at max 2 Amp
[19:11] <GrueMaster> Ok.
[19:11] <GrueMaster> That should be fine then.
[19:11] <rlameiro> and outputs 5v, so its not regulated inside the board
[19:11] <rlameiro> well, at least AFAIK.... i didnt opened the hub yet
[19:12] <rsalveti> you could measure it
[19:12] <rlameiro> but the power supply is a switching power, so it should be regulated
[19:12] <rsalveti> let's also wait to see if this patch could make any difference for you
[19:12] <GrueMaster> I have the same powersupply currently powering my hub on my beagleboard (and my beagleboard is drawing power from it using a USB<>PS connector).
[19:12] <rlameiro> dont have in here my multimeter
[19:13] <rlameiro> GrueMaster: I was thinking in doing that :D
[19:13] <rlameiro> but for now, my igep board uses a palm power supply from my old m515
[19:13] <rlameiro> max output current is 1 Amp...
[19:14] <GrueMaster> Hmmm.  I wonder if it is enough?
[19:14] <rlameiro> well, i dont know, maybe
[19:14] <rlameiro> let me check the hardware reference
[19:15] <rlameiro> GrueMaster: 5Vcc / 1A
[19:16] <rlameiro> it should be enough
[19:17] <GrueMaster> I see that.  Still, could be wavering.  If you can, try a beefier ps.  The board will only draw what it needs.  Just keep it at 5v.
[19:17] <rlameiro> typical is 650 mA, Max is 750mA, so it is more than enough
[19:18] <rlameiro> but i will try with another PS. maybe from an atx ps that i converted to bench PS
[19:19] <rlameiro> problem is that my electronic materials are at my parents garage....
[19:19] <rlameiro> no space on the condo..... GRRRRR
[19:19] <GrueMaster> Just be very careful.  We can't help if you fry your board.
[19:20] <rlameiro> GrueMaster: dont worry :D I play with electronics for a while :D
[19:21] <rlameiro> i wonder if this problems happens with the default poky on the nand...
[19:28] <rsalveti> rlameiro: wait it a bit until I deliver you a new kernel, don't know how secure could be your usb hub
[19:28] <rsalveti> at least the one I got I could easily fry the usb port
[19:29] <rlameiro> ok, i wait
[19:29] <rlameiro> lol
[19:29] <rlameiro> no prob
[19:29] <rlameiro> i send it back to ISEE :D
[19:29] <rsalveti> then I had to remove a resistor from it to avoid pulling from the usb port
[19:29] <rsalveti> haha :-)
[19:29] <rlameiro> oh, you say the usb hub gets fried???
[19:30] <rsalveti> no, the usb port from my computer, or board
[19:30] <rlameiro> lol, that is not a problem, i just go to the shop and say, hey this port doesnt work!!!
[19:30] <rlameiro> :)
[21:14] <rsalveti> rlameiro: http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/kernel/linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>+_<IP_ADDRESS>+-5_armel.deb
[21:15] <rsalveti> with the vbus patch
[21:15] <rlameiro> rsalveti: thanks :D
[21:15] <rlameiro> I will test it soon
[21:16] <rsalveti> rlameiro: cool
[21:49] <rlameiro> rsalveti: what is linux-firmware-image_<IP_ADDRESS>+-5_all.deb for?
[21:59] <rlameiro> rsalveti: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>+
[21:59] <rlameiro> /etc/kernel/postinst.d/update-notifier: 17: gettext: not found
[22:00] <rlameiro> it output this error
[22:04] <rsalveti> rlameiro: linux-firmware should be the default firmware pack from the kernel
[22:04] <rsalveti> you probably don't need it
[22:05] <rsalveti> rlameiro: hm, try installing gettext and try it again
[22:15]  * rsalveti brb
[22:24] <rlameiro> rsalveti: this one has your network driver patch?
[22:24] <rlameiro> t took alot time to bring it up
[22:24] <rlameiro> dmesg at 65 seconds from boot
[22:24] <rlameiro>     8.168334] libertas_sdio: probe of mmc1:0001:1 failed with error -2
[22:24] <rlameiro> [   68.503753] net eth0: SMSC911x/921x identified at 0xe0808000, IRQ: 336
[22:28] <rlameiro> rsalveti: same thing
[23:02] <rlameiro> uInitrd is really needed?
[23:03] <rlameiro> what does it have inside?
[23:23] <Neko_> rsalveti, I have a related question, what on earth actually creates the uInitrd and uImage stuff from kernel packages?
[23:23] <Neko_> I could not find a single line of code or script that uses uboot mkimage
[23:32] <zumbi> Neko_: flash-kernel
[23:37] <Neko_> oh okay
[23:40] <zumbi> it should depend on uboot-mkimage too (at least on debian does)
[23:40] <Neko_> ah but I installed uboot-mkimage but not flash-kernel
[23:40] <Neko_> well okay
[23:42] <rlameiro> is the uInird really needed?
[23:44] <rcn-ee> rlameiro, pre-lucid that default for my kernels.. more things work better with a uInitrd...
[23:48] <rlameiro> rcn-ee: ok, but what is inside of it?
[23:48] <rlameiro> sorry for the newbiness
[23:49] <Neko_> modules, busybox, some inity stuff
[23:49] <rlameiro> so, the kernel could boot without it, could it?
[23:50] <Neko_> it can and it does
[23:50] <Neko_> but things like the splash screen are in there
[23:50] <rlameiro> ohhhh
[23:50] <rlameiro> ok
[23:50] <rlameiro> lol
[23:50] <rlameiro> uInird uncompreassing and reading takes half the time of my kernel booting
[23:50] <Neko_> and maybe some ureadahead stuff? I'm not sure.. it would make sense that the initrd precache from disk
[23:50] <rlameiro> so i think i will drop it
[23:51] <Neko_> one thing I do know is without initrd maverick sometimes takes 30 seconds to get to login, but with, it's never more than 15.. sometimes it's 9 ;)
[23:51] <Neko_> it's important because ubuntu and every other linux distro assumes you've got one and stuff gets shuffled in there
[23:51] <rlameiro> ok, now you are talking :D
[23:52] <rlameiro> but it dosnt have driver and stuff inside of it, does it?
[23:52] <rcn-ee> it's got your modules. ;)
[23:53] <rlameiro> lol, so i am debugging stuff with other modules...
[23:53] <rcn-ee> correct, are you just trying to speed things up?
[23:54] <rlameiro> no, just trying to prove that something is wrong with my usb host
[23:54] <rlameiro> it doesnt work...
[23:54] <rcn-ee> igepv2 right? the ehci or otg?
[23:54] <rlameiro> as last resort, i used the igepv2 kernel
[23:54] <rlameiro> but they dont have uInitrd
[23:54] <rlameiro> hence the question
[23:55] <rcn-ee> you can boot, then generate one. ;)
[23:55] <rcn-ee> then reboot..
[23:55] <rcn-ee> you can actually boot with the wrong different uImage/uInitrd's (it won't use it.) generate a new uInitrd and then reboot..
[23:56] <rlameiro> but if i boot with another kernel, the modules inside uInitrd will not load if they arent build against it, true?
[23:56] <rlameiro> ah ok
[23:56] <rlameiro> well, then is confirmed
[23:56] <rcn-ee> exactly.. so hopefully you extract the modules to your rootfs.. and that rootfs driver (extX) is builtin...
[23:56] <rlameiro> either it is hardware bug, or some stuff igep needs to add to the kernel :D
[23:57] <rlameiro> not my fault, not ubuntu fault, not linaro :D
[23:57] <rcn-ee> btw, is it the ehci or otg port?
[23:57] <rlameiro> ehci
[23:57] <rlameiro> host


[08:55] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:31] <rmg51> Morning JonathanD
[10:32] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[10:32] <JonathanD> bit late ;)
[10:33] <rmg51> I got to sleep in today
[10:34] <rmg51> no work for me
[10:34] <JonathanD> ah
[10:34] <rmg51> but this is still early for me
[10:36] <rmg51> I was hoping to sleep later :-(
[11:49] <waltman> morning
[12:08] <InHisName> morning all
[12:16] <waltman> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/545791_526101097416333_292378555_n.jpg
[13:13] <andrew> Morning
[13:16] <andrew> We are trying to get Rinxter (a java/tomcat program) running on Ubuntu. Basically, having trouble getting Tomcat 5.5 working on Ubuntu 12.04. Suggestions/tips/help/etc? (Something about setting CATALINA_HOME as well.)
[13:26] <jedijf> catalina_home needs to be set to /path/to/tomcat
[13:27] <jedijf> andrew: ^^^
[13:27] <jedijf> that's all i remember from tocat for a linux journal archive dvd setup
[13:28] <jedijf> tomcat
[13:28] <andrew> I'm guessing it's more involved than that. I'm not working on it directly.
[13:28] <jedijf> java_home to wherever java lives
[13:28] <andrew> Probably comes down to trying to install tomcat 5.5 on ubuntu 12.04 is the start of the issues.
[13:29] <jedijf> shouldn't really
[13:30] <jedijf> the catalina_home part should at least help get further into trouble
[13:30] <jedijf> then it should complain about something else :)
[13:31] <andrew> I'll dig a bit deeper and see if there is anymore info about the issue.
[13:38] <andrew> So he's able to get that part working, but stuck there.
[17:56] <ChinnoDog> finally, I am back.
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> The internet seems broken today
[18:55] <ChinnoDog> I want to shoot myself in the head
[18:56] <ChinnoDog> oh
[18:56] <ChinnoDog> wrong channel
[18:56] <ChinnoDog> lol
[19:04] <jedijf> suicide is not a solution (for all)
[19:04] <jedijf> for some...maybe
[19:05] <ChinnoDog> haha
[19:06] <ChinnoDog> Like Linux you have to see what works for you.
[20:04] <ChinnoDog> git is pretty cool


[00:50] <jrwren> rick_h_: i've gotten a lot out of your pyohio talk.  a couple of huge gems for me.
[00:50] <brousch> Yeah, it was another good rick_h_ talk
[00:51] <rick_h_> jrwren: ? cool
[00:55] <jrwren> lots of beginner stuf that I didn't know about or how to use properly. even just setup.py
[00:55] <jrwren> especially the setup.py develop command
[00:56] <rick_h_> ah yea, must have stuff for lib dev
[02:33] <rick_h_> jcastro: ping, you ever get with Dave in G+?
[02:45] <nixternal> rick_h_: any chance your pyohio talk is online somewhere? wouldn't mind watching it. i got a lot out of a vim talk you did years ago :)
[02:47] <Blazeix> nixternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNSIDCwJxAg
[02:49] <nixternal> rock on with your bad self. now if you just rick rolled me or carly rae jetson or whatever her name is, me....slick move :)
[02:50] <snap-l> nixternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5P7RsC9TI
[02:52] <nixternal> damn, his "I can haz software package" just blatently destroyed me :)
[02:57] <greg-g> "how many have documentation.... that's not the code" :)
[03:00] <nixternal> yeah, that was a favorite one there. though, i always have documentation
[03:01] <nixternal> rick_h_: make sucks! cmake ftw
[04:09] <greg-g> what's the best cross platform password manager? I want something I can leave instructions for Carrie to get access to.
[10:37] <rick_h_> nixternal: :P
[10:37] <rick_h_> greg-g: I've started to get Erica to use lastpass, though she's only using it in Chrome and on her phone so far
[10:46] <brousch> Geekers. I watched this PyOhio video this morning while exercising. Check out my comment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2M2SquTHhc&feature=plcp
[10:49] <rick_h_> lol, awesome
[10:53] <rick_h_> Thanks for supporting Pebble on Kickstarter. It's time for you to tell us where
[10:53] <rick_h_> you live, and to select a color for your Pebble.
[10:53] <rick_h_> woot!!!!!!!
[11:17] <brousch> oooooh
[11:17] <brousch> That's the android watch, right?
[11:20] <snap-l> nice!
[11:27] <rick_h_> brousch: well the bluetooth that talks to android right
[11:27] <rick_h_> though it says I have until sept 30th to change my info so guess it's still at least a month out
[12:05] <snap-l> I am a developer. I make things work
[12:06] <snap-l> You expect to use whatever I build moments after it's completed, but that's OK, because I'm a developer, and I make things work
[12:06] <rick_h_> snap-l: :) kick its butt
[12:07] <snap-l> You wouldn't expect to drive on a road seconds after it's paved, but that's OK, because my bits are strong, and tested.
[12:07] <rick_h_> woot!
[12:08] <snap-l> (at least, that's what I wish were the case)
[12:22] <rick_h_> snap-l: awesome dilbert reference
[12:23] <brousch> I posted this to FB yesterday, but you haters can read it on Reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ze0z4/til_my_son_thinks_chicken_nuggets_are_made_by/
[12:24] <snap-l> rick_h_: Thanks. :)
[12:31] <rick_h_> brousch: nice
[13:21] <jrwren> greg-g: keepass?
[13:22] <jrwren> brousch: we've always been up front with the kid about where every bit of her food comes from.
[13:23] <jrwren> we would go to a farm or the zoo and I'd ask her if she would like to kill and eat those animals and explain to her that its how meat gets on her plate.
[13:23] <rick_h_> "umm, thank you george, you've got the best t-bones evar!"
[13:27] <shakes808> Good morning all
[13:33] <brousch> jrwren: I never really though about it. I've mentioned that meat is from animals, but I guess I wasn't specific enough on what "from" means
[13:34] <brousch> He was under the impression the animals give us meat, like as presents or something
[13:37] <jrwren> yeah, kids can't imagine killing something to eat it, unless they see it.
[13:47] <jjesse> we've told caleb where the food came from
[13:47] <jjesse> each time he eats meat we tell him
[13:47] <jjesse> for a while he didn't like the texture of it so he was a veggie eater
[13:48] <brousch> Yeah, George doesn't like unprocessed meat, like steak or chicken breast
[13:52] <jrwren> zomg, my kid is the opposite.
[13:52] <jrwren> she loves steak and chicken legs, but does not like hot dogs.
[13:52] <jjesse> well she's smart hot dogs are gross
[13:52] <jrwren> she does like sausage and bratwurst. those are less processed.
[13:52] <jrwren> oh yeah, she is wonderful.
[13:53] <jrwren> I go to restaurant with her and we order muscles as apetizer and we eat :)
[13:53] <jrwren> so fun diving into muscles with a 4 or 5 yr old.
[14:11] <brousch> Do you mean muscles as in what meat is made from, or mussels as in slimy seafood?
[14:22] <jrwren> i mean the molusk which grows in the sea.  so I meant mussels not muscles
[14:22] <jrwren> if you ate 'em slimy, you got 'em wrong.
[14:22] <jrwren> try 'em again, they are delicious.
[14:28] <brousch> I think you're saying that because you will get your jollies thinking of me eating a glob of snot
[14:30] <snap-l> Mussels are good, but they have to be prepared right
[14:30] <snap-l> too long, they're superballs
[14:30] <snap-l> not enough, they're snotballs
[14:31] <snap-l> But damn, they're good.
[14:31] <jrwren> brousch: no way, because I love to eat them. I would wish you the joy that I have. What snap-l said.
[14:57] <brousch> rick_h_: Next GRPUG is Makefiles vs fabric
[14:57] <rick_h_> brousch: hah
[14:57] <rick_h_> that's easy
[14:58] <rick_h_> makefiles = app install, fabric = automating that setup/install across hosts
[14:58] <rick_h_> done
[14:58] <brousch> Oh great, now I need a whole new topic
[14:59] <rick_h_> well just don't tell them how it ends I guess
[15:10] <jrwren> exactly.
[15:10] <jrwren> i'm using both here too.
[15:18] <rick_h_> yea, they really are different uses. At least they're at their best at different uses
[15:18] <rick_h_> but you can always shoe-horn a screw driver into a crowbar and such
[15:18] <brousch> I think you'll need a grinder for that conversion
[15:18] <brousch> A shoehorn will have little effect on a crowbar
[15:21] <brousch> snap-l: You see this? http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/09/05/0512219/sprint-allows-lte-service-over-mobile-virtual-network
[15:22] <snap-l> Yeah, unfortunately I haven't been following it because my phone isn't LTE
[15:22] <snap-l> But it's nice to see Sprint cooperating
[15:23] <snap-l> I think that's going to be key for them
[15:26] <greg-g> brousch: Are you serious?! Are you crazy?! :)
[15:26] <jjesse> yes brousch is crazy
[15:26] <brousch> Yeah, it didn't help that I was cracking up laughing at the whole discussion
[15:26] <snap-l> which one?
[15:31] <brousch> snap-l: chicken nuggets
[15:31] <snap-l> ah
[15:31] <snap-l> Chik'n McDeadlets
[16:04] <PainBank> anyone tried the Livio Radio app?
[16:07] <snap-l> livio being... ?
[16:10] <PainBank> livioradio.com
[16:10] <PainBank> you might be interested in it snap-l... being a content producer
[16:12] <jrwren> looks like hardware, what is the app for?
[16:12] <PainBank> ios and android
[16:12] <snap-l> Yeah, it's not clear what this iis
[16:12] <PainBank> right, their web site is a bit vaguish
[16:12] <snap-l> if it's just hardware to play shit in my car, OK, I guess it's cool
[16:12] <snap-l> but if it's yet another music streaming service, then no thanks.
[16:13] <jrwren> "more than 45,000 stations" are you suggesting snap-l run a station?
[16:13] <PainBank> oh, yea, they sell hardware too
[16:13]  * snap-l already programs for one station
[16:13] <PainBank> if they pull that station... then...you can reference users to it.
[16:13] <snap-l> Looks like yet-another-shoutcast streamer
[16:14] <snap-l> like tune-in
[16:14] <snap-l> for those of us who don't have bluetooth or aux-in jacks
[16:14] <PainBank> collector
[16:14] <snap-l> the controller interface looks nice.
[16:14] <PainBank> they are local to us... Ferndale
[16:14] <snap-l> but that's about the only thing that looks interesting about it
[16:15] <snap-l> Cool. I can thonk them on the heads them
[16:15] <snap-l> then
[16:15] <PainBank> hehe
[16:15] <snap-l> It's an FM transmitter w/ Bluetooth in a Bluetooth-direct world
[16:16] <snap-l> And having to run their app? No thanks.
[16:16] <snap-l> I already have BT in my VW, and an Aux-in cable on my Caliber.
[16:17] <PainBank> there ya go
[16:17] <snap-l> And my Squeezebox handles the rest
[16:17] <snap-l> Had they released this in 2010, I'd be all over it
[16:17] <snap-l> It's too late for this
[16:18] <jrwren> exactly, too late.
[16:18] <jrwren> even 2010 is too late for most.
[16:18] <jrwren> this was a hot product in '07 or 08
[16:18] <PainBank> alrighty
[16:19] <PainBank> thanks for the thoughts.
[16:19] <jrwren> i replaced my car audio head unit in my 10 yr old car, it has USB, charges my phone while i drive, direct audio control, its great.
[16:19] <snap-l> PainBank: This would be awesome for the rental-car market
[16:19] <PainBank> hmm...
[16:19] <PainBank> perhpas
[16:20] <snap-l> but I haven't touched a FM transmitter in a year
[16:20] <snap-l> and used a cassette adapter on a car that didn't have BT or Aux IN
[16:20] <jrwren> fm transmiters suck, I've never seen one work very well.
[16:20] <PainBank> but having aux in still requires manipulation of the phone... which is one of the items the hardware tries to solve
[16:21] <snap-l> What's the price on the hardware?
[16:21] <snap-l> $50? $100?
[16:21] <PainBank> jrwren: I have only used one, which had switches for setting the channel and yes, it sucked.  don't know how thiers works
[16:21] <jrwren> new head units don't use aux in, they use USB and control ipod and android
[16:21] <snap-l> If it's under $50, it's remarkable
[16:21] <PainBank> I think like $100
[16:21] <snap-l> if it's over $100, it's dead.
[16:21] <PainBank> haven't priced it
[16:21] <PainBank> that is just one of their products.
[16:21] <jrwren> only a nutter would pay $100, when you can get a whole new car head unit for $150 and a great one for a little more.
[16:21] <PainBank> they have a radio that does it...
[16:22] <snap-l> PainBank: Yeah, they rebranded a Gracenote radio
[16:22] <snap-l> whoopdie-freaking doo
[16:22] <PainBank> prob like the squeezebox, but i haven't used one of those either
[16:22]  * PainBank blankly stares off in to space having never used a Gracenote radio...
[16:23] <rick_h_> #$@#$ hate them
[16:23] <snap-l> PainBank: Squeezebox is awesome. I wrote a column for Linux Journal about it
[16:23] <PainBank> haha
[16:23] <rick_h_> if gracenote == grace audio that is
[16:23] <PainBank> I know, I saw a post of yours about it sometime ago
[16:23] <jrwren> squeezebox is AWESOME. I'm listening on squeeze slave RIGHT NOW
[16:23] <snap-l> http://www.livioradio.com/pandora-radio-by-livio/
[16:23] <snap-l> rick_h_: ^^
[16:24] <rick_h_> yea, seems similar
[16:24] <jrwren> $200
[16:24] <PainBank> yup, expensive
[16:24] <rick_h_> all these net radios are
[16:24] <jrwren> i seriously don't get it.
[16:24] <rick_h_> and no google music :(
[16:25] <jrwren> for $200, I could get a $129 ipod touch and a "radio" dock. Guess which one is more powerful?
[16:25] <jrwren> these companies are nuts, I feel bad for teir investors.
[16:25] <PainBank> the google phone
[16:27] <rick_h_> snap-l: https://twitter.com/rickasaurus/status/243383714908889090
[16:27] <snap-l> rick_h_: Heh
[16:29] <jrwren> hrm, that is a strange dilber.
[16:33] <greg-g> yeah, didn't seem funny to me
[16:33] <greg-g> of course, dilbert hasn't for years
[16:33] <rick_h_> oh come on, that's funny :P
[16:39] <snap-l> Philistines.
[17:32] <brousch> My kid would gladly burn his Thomas lunch boxes for this http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f0b5/?cpg=gplus
[17:37] <jrwren> it may as well be jar jar binks.
[17:54] <rick_h_> heh, so greg-g better get a bookie android app before I ever do an iApp :)
[17:56] <jrwren> is it weird that i prefer "".format() to % in python?
[17:57] <jrwren> what would a bookie android app do?
[17:57] <jrwren> let you retag? browse by tag and date?
[17:57] <rick_h_> jrwren: no, .format is the preferred
[17:57] <rick_h_> but it'll fail 2.6 and lower if I recall
[17:58] <rick_h_> jrwren: a bookie android app would 1) Provide an intent to store urls from twitter/googlereader/etc to bookie
[17:58] <rick_h_> 2) Provide the ability to see the list of bookmarks, search, and read the readable content of bookmarks from the web app
[17:58] <rick_h_> 3) WHen I get the readable view, provide the read-it-later process to pull up your mobile device and read the parsed content of the articles marked !toread
[18:00] <greg-g> rick_h_: you better :)
[18:00] <rick_h_> greg-g: :P
[18:00] <rick_h_> I've still got to see about that hook up for newsblur -> bookie
[18:01] <rick_h_> I have to say, I'm jealous of how far he's gone with that
[18:03] <jrwren> shit, i'm targetting 2.6 on this. I hope format works.
[18:03] <rick_h_> http://docs.python.org/library/string.html#string-formatting
[18:03] <rick_h_> yea, sorry I was off. Added in 2.6
[18:04] <jrwren> yeah, i just confirmed
[18:04] <jrwren> you scared me for a sec
[18:04] <rick_h_> yea, sometimes that stuff in 2.5/6/7 blurs a little bit
[18:05] <brousch> rick_h_: Yeah, I hit a problem with that early on trying to run Bookie on Dreamhost. They only had 2.5 at the time
[18:05] <brousch> I should try again now that 2.6 is available on some servers
[18:05] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, I'd hit it once in a while on older systems since the prev ubuntu LTS was 2.5 and RH stuff was 2.4/5
[18:13] <jrwren> suddenly i'm more content to be on 2.6
[18:15] <rick_h_> 2.7 ftw, argparse, ordereddict, dict/set comprehensions
[18:16] <jrwren> dict comprehensions?
[18:16] <jrwren> for k,p in dict doesn't work in 2.6?
[18:16] <jrwren> oh wait... nevermind, I remember what you mean.
[18:17] <rick_h_> {x: x*x for x in range(6)}
[18:17] <rick_h_> {0: 0, 1: 1, 2: 4, 3: 9, 4: 16, 5: 25}
[18:17] <rick_h_> generate a dict straight from a comprehension
[18:17] <rick_h_> vs dict([(k, v) for x, x*x in range(6)])
[18:18] <rick_h_> LTE users check their phone twice as often than 3G users. 39/day vs 63/per
[18:18] <rick_h_> interesting quote ^
[18:19] <brousch> Those bastards. They should pay twice as much!
[18:19] <rick_h_> :P
[18:37] <rick_h_> grrr, promising jelly bean to new moto phones...where's my jelly bean on my nexus dammit!
[18:40] <brousch> I thought you have had it since the beginning
[18:40] <rick_h_> no, that was 4.0, not 4.1 which came out in the N7/Google IO
[18:41] <brousch> Be happy you have 4
[18:41] <rick_h_> no, I refuse :P
[18:41] <brousch> I'm still all on 2.3
[18:42] <rick_h_> Blazeix: did you root to something with jellybean? I might start looking at that path
[18:42] <Blazeix> rick_h_: yeah, in the xda forums there are a bunch of jellybean-based roms
[18:42] <Blazeix> i chose one that seemed somewhat legit and flashed it
[18:44] <Blazeix> i've been meaning to try out AOKP, since that has a jellybean release now
[18:44] <Blazeix> i was using that pre-jellybean and liked it
[18:44] <rick_h_> yea, might have to check that out
[20:32] <brousch> jrwren: Wait, what, doll house furniture?
[20:32] <brousch> I must see this
[20:48] <snap-l> brousch: You ever been to Frankenmuth?
[20:48] <brousch> I have not
[20:48] <snap-l> Rau's Country Shop has a TON of dollhouse stuff
[20:49] <snap-l> Worth the day-trip
[20:49] <brousch> I just wanted to see jrwren's stuff
[21:39] <jrwren> brousch: i don't do it. i was just making suggestions. That one was inspired by The Wire
[22:05] <brousch> jrwren: Bah, now I'm disappointed
[22:16] <brousch> I had visions of you painstakingly carving cute little chairs and tea tables for your little girl, then painting them pink with little yellow flowers.
[22:43] <brousch> How do you verify that something like this is legit? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGlJRjhnZlJ1Q2VzZVF1N3hQenQ4X1E6MQ#gid=0
[22:49] <snap-l> brousch: I have no idea
[23:49] <shakes808> Check
[23:53] <rick_h_> dsschnau: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/772/ for select, but what insert are you looking to do?
[23:56] <rick_h_> dsschnau: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/773/


[13:37] <DJones> Myrtti: I've set a ban on incog,because thats the 2nd time they've posted that, their only previous comment was a link to google removing a chrome extension for racist/nazi links, and since they're a known network wide troll, there's no place for them
[13:39] <Myrtti> DJones: good good


 Irfan do you have a removable battery?
 Have you tried toggling any of your Energy Saving settings - just in case?
 What model do you have?
[05:09] <Maik> @Irfan Azhar laptop, battery
 Yup - what laptop do you have?
 ok, try this ... type this into your terminal: … upower -e … and grab the device path for your battery
 Then type this into your terminal: … upower -i /and/paste/your/battery/device/path/here
 I'm just shooting in the dark here, but maybe that'll give you a glimpse as to what the prob might be.
 @Stefan Kramer, It is now not as simple as that. There is an 'Enable compositor on startup' option in 'Display & Monitor > Compositor' which is required for desktop effects. Then each effect can be togged or configured in 'Workspace behaviour > Desktop effects'
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:05] <BluesKaj> !specs
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Adi Ahmad Fauzan ^
[14:49] <mocalvao> hi there
[14:53] <mocalvao> I have changed my ISP and ever since I have had serious issues with accessing the internet. I have 3 machines connected to their modem/router, by cable: 2 Kubuntu desktops and 1 MacBook Pro laptop. I am unable to access, from any of these machines, several sites in the web, both from Firefox and from Chrome browsers. The issue is most conspicuous for the Ubuntu machines, but not exclusively.
[14:54] <mocalvao> I have now tried a different login user and different live usb pendrives and the same issues persist
[14:55] <mocalvao> Furthermore, I have created hotspots from my mobile phones, which use a different ISP and one of the desktops, which came with wifi as well, presents the same issues...
[14:59] <mocalvao> A sample of the sites I have problems with is: ufrj.br, claro,com.br, arxiv.org, kubuntu.org. I do not have problems in accessing youtube (any videos there), gmail, gmeet, for instance. The error is typ8ically (in Chrome) DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN or ERR_ADDRESS_UNREACHABLE
[14:59] <mocalvao> Any suggestions as to what might be the cause?
[15:00] <mocalvao> Someone suggested perhaps something related to IPv4 vs IPv6, but I do not even know how to start or diagnose furhter. The former ISP hda no issues at all (though with much lower Mbps)
[15:09] <mocalvao> Does this look like a hardware (the modem/router or my network card) or software (DNS resolution?) problem, or both?
[15:30] <mparillo> mocalvao: If it is from all your machines, including your Macbook, then I would guess upstream from there. Things I would try: (1) Force a different DNS provider (2) Try forcing IPv4 or IPv6 (3) try https:// in front of your URLs.
[15:33] <mocalvao> @mparillo: could you provide the specific instructions for (1) and (2)? I am comfortable with either command line or graphicla interface (from KDE)
[15:34] <mocalvao> @mparillo: option (3) did not work
[15:39] <mparillo> I have never tried it, but in you system settings network connections you should see both an IPv4 and 6 tab.
[15:40] <mocalvao> In fact, I checked my KDE System Settings GUI, under Network > Connections, for my wired ethernet, and in the tab for IPv4, the Method is Automatic and I had already inserted Google DNS (<IP_ADDRESS>) in the field named Other DNS Servers. The other fields (Search Domains and DHCP Client ID are blank. As for the IPv6 tab,
[15:41] <mocalvao> Method is Automatic and Other DNS Servers is ::ffff:<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:43] <mocalvao> Under IPv6, I tried Method: Ignored, without any effect...
[15:47] <mparillo> then I am out of ideas. You could try #ubuntu and ask for command-line solutions. They have many more participants. But since it affects your Macbook, I am sure your ISP should be willing to help, especially if you are using their modem / router. I assume your are in Brasil. In the US, most ISPs will not support any Linux Distro.
[15:52] <mocalvao> I am in fact in Rio de Janeiro.  Thanks!
[15:54] <mparillo> Now that's interesting.  I can ping google.com (looks like IPv6), ufrj.br (looks like IPv4) but not kubuntu.org (IPv4) or arxiv.org (IPv4)
[16:12] <mparillo> But I can open both kubuntu.org and arxiv.org in my browser.
[21:41] <Metamorphosis> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7zEc2ZVG/
[21:41] <Metamorphosis> Why is that?
[21:41] <Metamorphosis> Hello.
[21:43] <iskorpitx> hi do u speak turkçe


[01:27] <TDO|Aquina> Do you know how much within X/Ubuntu (package-wise) 10/12/14/16 depends on AMD's 3DNow! technology?
[01:50] <tsimonq2> TDO|Aquina: Try #ubuntu
[01:51] <TDO|Aquina> k thx; but isn't MOTU the Masters Of The Unicerse -- maintaining packages?
[01:51] <tsimonq2> Sure but it's still better suited for #ubuntu :)
[01:51] <TDO|Aquina> Can't you tell me how to determine packages which (may) user certain CPU extensions?
[01:52] <TDO|Aquina> k