[12:00] <anto9us> trogdoor: I think it's just suspend
[12:01] <jazzrocker> e.g. i'm compiling some software and instead of running ./configure over and over again and waiting till it craps out on whatever deps I don't have
[12:01] <_mariux> theres also a echo "ram" > /proc/something
[12:01] <jazzrocker> i'd like to just get a list of deps and go install them
[12:01] <jazzrocker> there are no install docs :(
[12:01] <trogdoor> anto9us: Ok, for some reason there is no man page for suspend.
[12:01] <TheGateKeeper> CalJohn: idk I would have thought wine would just give you a fresh set of new problems to deal with
[12:02] <CalJohn> erider: of course the best method is to ditch flash, and java altother
[12:02] <trogdoor> anto9us: and I just ran it and it isn't doing anything or giving any output.
[12:02] <kads> I cannot access my ubuntu HP PSC-1210 printer from windows xp through samba
[12:02] <CalJohn> TheGateKeeper: yeah, very possible.  i would've thought firefox would work reasonably well though, and flash is simply an add-in.  plus it's flash9.  YMMV
[12:02] <erider> CalJohn: but how would I play the videos on line without them?
[12:03] <bruenig> Caljohn, I thought the first one was the same as the forum entry of the same name, as they tend to do that. The forum entry has the script http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202537&highlight=java+flash+32
[12:03] <CalJohn> erider: don't play them
[12:03] <AlReece45> kads: can your windows xp computer ping your ubuntu computer?
[12:03] <kads> yup
[12:03] <anto9us> trogdoor: acpi can be awkward to set up, it's not always detected properly, it's a set of scripts that you may have to tweak, I'm just looking for a link to help you
[12:03] <kads> it is able to access my shared folder
[12:03] <Rico> is there a nautilus equivalent for 'extract each archive to seperate folder' ?
[12:03] <kads> ALReece45: through samba
[12:04] <TheGateKeeper> CalJohn: I'll give you the flash9 issue :-)
[12:04] <trogdoor> anto9us: thank you, can I kill the suspend proccess? It isn't doing anything.
[12:04] <AlReece45> kads: can the xp computer see the printer share on the computer?
[12:04] <kads> ALReece45: yup
[12:05] <anto9us> trogdoor: yes, it can be restarted
[12:05] <AlReece45> kads: does the xp computer have the correct drivers for the printer?
[12:05] <CalJohn> erider: google video lets you download videos in mpeg4 format, and then you don't have to support non-free software
[12:05] <Paradoxx> How do i edit my grub setup so it will add my windows xp entry?
[12:05] <kads> ALReece45: yup
[12:05] <CalJohn> erider: and flash was always annoying, admit it :p
[12:05] <anto9us> trogdoor: hope this helps https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SuspendHowto
[12:06] <AlReece45> kads: does the xp computer give a specific error when trying to print?
[12:06] <jazzrocker> is there a way to install RPMs in Ubuntu?
[12:06] <erider> CalJohn: agreed that flash is annoying but I can't see some web content
[12:06] <livingdaylight> !seen Flannel
[12:06] <ubotu> Flannel is on IRC right now!
[12:06] <nozorro> jazzrocker: use alien (with care)
[12:06] <kads> ALReece45: I also when to http://localhost:631/admin to add the usernmae the xp box will access my ubuntu but it ask me for a password
[12:06] <kads> ALReece45: cannot acces
[12:06] <trogdoor> anto9us, $ killall suspend
[12:06] <trogdoor> suspend: no process killed
[12:06] <kads> ALReece45: cannot access
[12:06] <livingdaylight> Flannel: just to let you know that SDG did the job
[12:06] <CalJohn> erider: the flash web content is normally idiotic myspace crap.  YMMV
[12:06] <kads> ALReece45: and I tried everything but won't work for the password on cups admin
[12:07] <trogdoor> anto9us: and ctrl+C isn't stopping it in the terminal either.
[12:07] <anto9us> trogdoor: yeah, it's a bash script, you may need to kill it by process number, if you need to, I suggest going through that howto
[12:07] <CalJohn> jazzrocker: man alien
[12:07] <thephunkizm> when i use the mkdir command in Ubuntu 6.06 amd64, it returns 'permission denied'.  how do i gain permission?
[12:07] <livingdaylight> Flannel: i don't know why there are all these complicated ways of restoring Grub if booting sdg does it in 1,2,3 - quick and simple
[12:07] <livingdaylight> Flannel: ping
[12:08] <sl021> can i recover the repositories thru the ubuntu install disk?
[12:08] <trogdoor> anto9us, OK, thank you.
[12:08] <barata> I'm so pissed off by Ubuntu upgrades shit
[12:08] <DBO> barata?
[12:08] <CalJohn> thephunkizm: directories have "permissions".  you need to have permission to write to area's with retricted permissions
[12:09] <barata> now I cannot install mplayer again, some links get broken
[12:09] <CalJohn> thephunkizm: read up on chmod/chown
[12:09] <thephunkizm> ok cal, thanks.
[12:09] <schupa> i have conf. x server so i can have 1280x1024 in resulution, but now i have en-style keyboard so i cannot write swedish signs.. how do i change back without using my backup file of xorg.conf?
[12:09] <DBO> barata, are you running dapper or edgy?
[12:09] <AlReece45> kads: you setup the printer from the samba adminstratin right?
 barata, are you running dapper or edgy? --> I dont know the name ... it should be 6.0.6
[12:09] <barata> what's the name for that?
[12:09] <anto9us> sl021: in a terminal type, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:09] <DBO> barata, dapper, what error are you getting?
[12:10] <kads> ALReece45: I don't think so
 barata, dapper, what error are you getting? --> not really 'error', but headache ... because I cannot compile mplayer for instance because there is this issue with jackd version
[12:10] <anto9us> sl021: did that open an empty file or does it have something in it?
[12:10] <AlReece45> kads: you might want to try the #samba channel on that one
[12:11] <barata> the problem is, I cannot un-upgrade all those things
[12:11] <thephunkizm> CalJohn, the reason I asked was that before I was told to read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava by someone in here.  The tutorial is nice, but it makes it look like i don't need to do anything but their step-by-step procedure...
[12:11] <barata> I might need to reinstall everything
[12:11] <DBO> barata, ok
[12:12] <nozorro> schupa: did you try system > Preferences > Keyboard?
[12:12] <thephunkizm> whoa
[12:12] <AlReece45> Does anyone know the names of the utilities that would log device errors such as USB or NIC?
[12:12] <anto9us> AlReece45: dmesg may show you
[12:12] <CalJohn> thephunkizm: i just recomended taking the wine approach with erider a minute ago.  i don't want to spam this channel by repeating, so just read your log :)
[12:12] <rofl0r_> schupa, edit xorg.conf, and estart X with strg-backspace
[12:12] <barata> my advice is: install 6.0.6, DO NOT upgrade immediately, then install whatever software you need, then upgrade
[12:12] <AlReece45> anto9us: dmesg doesn't have the error
[12:13] <CalJohn> thephunkizm: wait, why doesn't it look like you have anything to do?
[12:13] <barata> if you upgrade first after CD-install ... I guarantee you'll get the headache I have
[12:13] <schupa> nozorro: yes i did, no success
[12:13] <kads> ok thx
[12:13] <barata> because the upgrade brings new stuffs/versions that break the old dependencies
[12:13] <anto9us> AlReece45: maybe cat /var/log/syslog
[12:13] <schupa> rofl0r_: okey, i will give it a shot
[12:13] <cvt> how do i fix this: i opened a xchat log file and it says it can't be found?
[12:14] <rofl0r_> schupa, sry ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:14] <thephunkizm> because it's a simple 1-2-3-4 step by step tutorial.  wouldn't it mention chmod/chown if i had to do that?
[12:14] <nozorro> schupa: what is enstyle keyboard?
[12:14] <schupa> english-style
[12:14] <barata> I dont bother to look at them one by one though ... no time & also no interest ... reinstalling is always the best & fastest solution
[12:14] <AlReece45> anto9us: Give me a minute to try, I have to restart into it, since its my NIC... I'm connecting on my other comp as AlReece44
[12:14] <schupa> nozorro: english layout
[12:14] <nozorro> schupa: this isn't related to you screen resolution though
[12:15] <anto9us> AlReece44: it's a usb NIC device you have?
[12:15] <AlReece44> anto9us: no, but it stops working the instant my USB mouse stops working.
[12:15] <ShastaMaroon> My wireless chipset comes compiled into the kernel, but I can't find any instructions on how to set it up...can anyone point me to a guide?
[12:15] <erUSUL> !wifi
[12:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:15] <thephunkizm> CalJohn: btw, i'm sorry but it looks like i was a little late for the conversation with erider
[12:16] <ShastaMaroon> thanks
[12:16] <schupa> nozorro: no but when reconfigured Xorg i had to fill in something about my keyboard layout and i didn't have a clue of what i should write
[12:16] <sl021> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.
[12:16] <sl021> :\
[12:16] <CalJohn> thephunkizm: why doesn't it look like you have anything to do according the howto?
[12:16] <nozorro> schupa: if you're going to edit xorg.conf, copy over the old settings under the "InputDevice" Section. if it still doesn't work, go to the keyboard pref app in gnome
[12:17] <anto9us> sl021: type what I told you earlier
[12:17] <anto9us> sl021: and let me know if there's anything in that file
[12:17] <schupa> nozorro: thanks, will try.
[12:17] <thephunkizm> CalJohn: i'm not quite sure what you mean by that.  i followed the steps of the how-to up until the 'mkdir' line and got stuck..
[12:17] <sl021> wha u told meh ealier?
[12:17] <Duk1> Is anyone using unix to connect to an Imac?
[12:17] <anto9us> sl021: in a terminal type, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:17] <CalJohn> are you root?
[12:17] <sl021> i get a text file
[12:18] <CalJohn> thephunkizm: sudo su
[12:18] <anto9us> sl021: yes, those are your repositories
[12:18] <sl021> i added them
[12:18] <Flamekebab> right, quick question for y'all - I'm trying out Edgy and I'm wondering why there appears to be a distinct lack of "gnome disk admin" utility
[12:18] <sl021> ..
[12:18] <ShastaMaroon> Does anyone know if there is a gui to set up wpa yet?
[12:18] <sl021> but nothing is there
[12:18] <thephunkizm> ahhh sweet!!
[12:18] <nozorro> Flamekebab: you might ask this on #ubuntu+1
[12:18] <anto9us> sl021: save the file and update in
[12:18] <anto9us> sl021: in synaptic
[12:18] <M0nk3Ee> hi all, i am having a problem with the directory /var/lib/dpkg/info/ a lot of my .list files needed for apt-get seem to have become corrupt, could someone please tar up *.list in that directory and send it to me?
[12:18] <rofl0r_> whats the linux equivalent to dir /s *.zip ?
[12:18] <thephunkizm> CalJohn:  thank you!  i was trying su (without sudo) and it was denying me
[12:19] <M0nk3Ee> i have tried restoring from my backup but that was no good
[12:19] <schupa> how do i access my xorg.conf_backup? ^^
[12:19] <CalJohn> thephunkizm: hehe little things make a big difference :)
[12:19] <anto9us> sl021: oh, it's empty, in which case we need to generate your sources.list
[12:19] <Duk1> I am able to ssh into my mac but I can not mount my mac home folder to the unix machine.  When I try to browse to it I can opon the server but not see annything in it
[12:19] <Subhuman> rofl0r_, "ls -s *.zip"
[12:19] <cvt> does xchat make the logs grow forever?
[12:19] <CalJohn> thephunkizm: ubuntu doesn't configure su as you would expect by default.  they all like sudo.  freaks.
[12:19] <rofl0r_> Subhuman, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine
[12:20] <rofl0r_> oops
[12:20] <yohan> anyone know a good guide to setting up tvout on nvidia?
[12:20] <anto9us> sl021: still with me here?
[12:20] <rofl0r_> ls: *.zip: No such file or directory
[12:20] <nozorro> schupa: look whether there's anything looking like it under /etc/X11. should have a 'bck' extension. the date also helps
[12:20] <thephunkizm> CalJohn: good to know.  thanks a million =)
[12:20] <sl021> er i saved it, now wha
[12:20] <M0nk3Ee> please anyone, i really don't fancy installing all over again
[12:20] <RelientKirsh> Reading package lists... Done
[12:20] <RelientKirsh> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[12:20] <RelientKirsh> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[12:20] <anto9us> sl021: sorry, I missed the fact that you said it was empty, we need to put a list of repositories in it
[12:20] <RelientKirsh> that happens when i do sudo apt-get update
[12:21] <Subhuman> rofl0r_,  "ls -sH | grep *.zip"
[12:21] <Subhuman> that should work
[12:21] <RelientKirsh> does anyone know how to fix that error>
[12:21] <anto9us> sl021: type anto and press tab before you type to me, it will help me see your posts to the room
[12:21] <AlReece44> anto9us: what was the file that might have the log of device errors?
[12:21] <sl021> anto k
[12:22] <sl021> antoasdfasdf
[12:22] <sl021> oops
[12:22] <rofl0r_> Subhuman, not exactly, but i found a way, thx
[12:22] <anto9us> AlReece44: there are many log files you can investigate in /var/log
[12:22] <anto9us> sl021: do you still have that sources.list file open?
[12:23] <sl021> ya
[12:23] <nozorro> AlReece44: most likely /var/log/kern.log
[12:24] <sl021> anto9us: yep
[12:24] <anto9us> sl021: ok, we need to generate some contents for it, http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic will do that
[12:24] <schupa> nozorro: found it, changed it.. ctrl + alt + backspace now?
[12:24] <nozorro> schupa: where are you now. gnome session? gdm login?
[12:24] <worstenboy> hi
[12:24] <sl021> anto9us:        2-letter code of your country:?
[12:25] <anto9us> sl021: where are you?
[12:25] <sl021> texas
[12:25] <sl021> lolz
[12:25] <anto9us> sl021: us
[12:25] <sl021> lol
[12:25] <worstenboy> ive got 2 problems, my mouse somethimes stop working :s and my keyboard layout seems to be wrong, correct letters but no at or pipe
[12:26] <schupa> nozorro: logged in into x, sorry for my bad english.. just a student from sweden ;)
[12:26] <worstenboy> can i reinitialise this usb device
[12:26] <nozorro> !sv
[12:26] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[12:26] <nozorro> schupa that's for you :-)
[12:26] <dark_light> worstenboy, about the keyboard: system->preferences->keyboard
[12:26] <anto9us> sl021: click the include updates and security updates then click "Give me sources.list"
[12:26] <nozorro> schupa: log out from gnome, then back in. should be enough
[12:27] <schupa> nozorro: hehe yeah i know, but they seems to be asleep in that channel :) okey, will try
[12:27] <M0nk3Ee> i am going to have to install kubuntu again, i had a really hassle getting my wireless network card working on this laptop is there some folder or config files that i can backup in order to ease the installation this time around?
[12:27] <AlReece44> My USB mouse and NIC stop working presicely at the same time, shortly after startup. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[12:27] <worstenboy> better ask it in xubuntu, thats what i use ;)
[12:28] <toxik> monk3e
[12:28] <anto9us> sl021: sorry, click the packages and sources check boxes too
[12:28] <dark_light> M0nk3Ee, backup all your home, specially the hidden files (that ones that begin with .)
[12:29] <dark_light> if you run a webserver, you might want to backup the /var/www .. and so on
[12:29] <toxik> just find out the chipset on the card you have and configure ubuntu manualy  for any other cards. it can be tricky. you better off getting an orinoko card with the prism 2 chipset. drivers come with ubuntu for the prism2
[12:30] <anto9us> AlReece44: my guess is it might be a resources conflict, IRQ or DMA, is your bios set to handle these?
[12:30] <toxik> i had the same issue with my laptop
[12:30] <thedash> what are the different "masks" used for samba share access values?
[12:30] <schupa> nozorro: works great, thanks :D
[12:30] <russ> anyone set up linksys usb wireless....???....
[12:30] <anto9us> sl021: are you still with me?
[12:30] <toxik> you are going to have to install 3rd party drivers during the install that are compatible or just get another card
[12:31] <thedash> the guide lists them as being 700 by default and should be changed to 775, but some of mine are 600
[12:31] <nozorro> schupa: you're welcome. by the way, me not native english speaker either, i'm tysk :-) how how do you say?
[12:31] <AlReece44> anto9us: The BIOS is a laptop BIOS, none of the options related to resources.
[12:31] <squeaks> hello, how can i find out what the functionality of a module listed by lsmod is, i'm curious what i can do with the 'battery' module?
[12:31] <squeaks> but i can't google battery module
[12:31] <nozorro> schupa: i meant: or how do you say?
[12:31] <anto9us> AlReece44: I think it's usually listed as plug and play OS installed
[12:32] <anto9us> AlReece44: change that option, if there and see what happens
[12:32] <Paradoxx> How do i edit my grub setup so it will add my windows xp entry for dual boot??
[12:32] <schupa> nozorro: how to say "i'm a german" in swedish?
[12:32] <nozorro> schupa: yes :-)
[12:32] <schupa> nozorro: jag r tysk :)
[12:32] <toxik> hey what channle is this????????
[12:32] <erUSUL> Paradoxx: it should have been added automagically
[12:33] <toxik> automagically
[12:33] <nozorro> schupa: jag r tysk. skol.
[12:33] <toxik><PHONE_NUMBER>1010101010101
[12:33] <thedash> what are the different "masks" used for samba share access values?
[12:33] <thedash> the guide lists them as being 700 by default and should be changed to 775, but some of mine are 600
[12:33] <schupa> nozorro: hehe ;)
[12:34] <anto9us> thedash: same as in unix, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHMOD
[12:34] <Paradoxx> erUSUL: i installed win xp second
[12:35] <AlReece44> anto9us: There are no options for "Plug and Play" or anything related, of the optons, there are boot options, a language option, security (password) option and  hard drive diagnostics option.
[12:35] <AlReece44> anto9us: oh and they have time and date options too
[12:35] <cvt> 2. Configuration doesn't apply to me. what am i supposed to do?   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009&highlight=ntfs-3g
[12:35] <icheyne> how do I add a printer using the cups website? I have tried but I do not know the cups password.
[12:35] <ShastaMaroon> I am following the wpa instructions on help.ubuntu .  When I try wpa_supplicant on the interface I get "Could not set interface 'eth1' UP"  Where should I be looking for a problem?
[12:35] <Andrew67> icheyne: its your password
[12:36] <icheyne> Andrew67 - thanks
[12:36] <icheyne> I'll try that
[12:36] <Andrew67> icheyne: if after entering your username and password, it continues asking, make sure user cupsys belongs to group shadow
[12:36] <icheyne> ah ok
[12:36] <icheyne> how do I set that?
[12:36] <nozorro> icheyne: i think ubuntu mangles the cups web page. use the config app instead.
[12:36] <anto9us> AlReece44: well, it was only a guess as to it being the problem anyway, have you looked up your laptop on the ubuntu wiki?
[12:36] <Andrew67> icheyne: sudo adduser cupsys shadow && sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[12:36] <icheyne> thanks nozorro - actually I am on xubuntu but got no help in that channel
[12:37] <icheyne> thanks Andrew
[12:37] <icheyne> :)
[12:37] <Andrew67> then refresh the webinterface
[12:37] <erUSUL> Paradoxx: in the /boot/grub/menu.lst comes an entry for win as an example comented use that
[12:37] <Tonren> Hey guys, how do I remove services from /etc/init.d?  I want to get rid of postfix, but I mean, should I just DELETE /etc/init.d/postfix?  That doesn't seem right
[12:37] <iliketoprogram> hiya!   i have this problem.. i have a vfat partition mounted (in fstab) - it works ok from command line but whenever i try to browse it in nautalis, it hangs up and acts all weird.. or goes very very very slow.. any ideas on why this is?
[12:37] <F0RZA> anyone familiar with any warez used to over clock. such as softfsb. only for linux based systems??????????????????????????????????????????//
[12:37] <Andrew67> Tonren: disable the service?
[12:37] <Tonren> Andrew67: Yeah.  How do I do that?
[12:37] <erUSUL> Paradoxx: around line 37 here
[12:38] <Tonren> Andrew67: No fair using crappy GUI tools.
[12:38] <AlReece44> anto9us: its not on the wiki, but there is a forum topic with it where they have most of the components working.
[12:38] <erUSUL> Tonren: sudo update-rc.d -f postfix remove
[12:38] <Paradoxx> erUSUL: thx much
[12:39] <anto9us> AlReece44: does lsusb still list your mouse after it stops working?
[12:39] <Andrew67> you also might want to check out sysv-rc-conf, nice little app to have lying around
[12:39] <Tonren> erUSUL: Ahh.  Thank you.  If I want to know more, do you think I'll be able to figure out man update-rc.d?
[12:39] <AlReece44> anto9us: I don't know yet, let me check.
[12:40] <anto9us> AlReece44: also, do you have a ps2 converter for it and a port to plug it in?
[12:40] <AlReece44> anto9us: yes it does, and no i don't have a converter or ps2 plug to plug it in.
[12:40] <erUSUL> Tonren: if i can you surely can too ;)
[12:40] <erUSUL> Paradoxx: yw
[12:40] <anto9us> AlReece44: do you have a ps2 mouse you can try?
[12:40] <Tonren> erUSUL: I tell my mom that when I configure her wireless, but it never works
[12:40] <dte> Hello! I just started my computer after being away for few days and ubuntu doesn't detect anything... no sound, no background, no mounted partitions... and that is for my user only... any ideas what might cause that?
[12:41] <AlReece44> anto9us: The laptop doesn't have a ps2 port
[12:41] <bruenig> dte, what does no background mean?
[12:41] <erUSUL> Tonren: ??
[12:41] <Tonren> erUSUL: She always needs me to help her out again two days later. :P
[12:41] <Flamekebab> what does "recursively" mean?
[12:41] <dte> bruenig, it's not the one I had set up... it's just brown color... no picture...
[12:41] <Andrew67> Tonren: youve tried /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:41] <thedash> yeh, so octal permissions confused the hell out of me until I realized they were quite simple :X
[12:41] <bruenig> recursively means it will delete the directory and all subdirectories within it
[12:41] <Flannel> Flamekebab: it means it does it to each directory it sees
[12:41] <AlReece44> anto9us: the touchpad on the laptop still works, i think the nic fails either way.
[12:41] <nozorro> Flamekebab: descending the directory tree
[12:41] <Andrew67> Tonren: wifi-radar is a good gui
[12:42] <bruenig> or will apply to the directory I should say
[12:42] <dte> But I guess that's cuz the partitons are not mounted and it cannot access the pictures
[12:42] <Tonren> Andrew67: I was makin' a joke, dude.
[12:42] <anto9us> AlReece44: sorry, wasn't reading fully, so, it might not be related to the USB system but could be something to do with Xserver which controls the mouse
[12:42] <erUSUL> Tonren: lol
[12:42] <Andrew67> Tonren: channel too crowded to notice everything
[12:42] <Tonren> Andrew67: :P  It's all good.
[12:42] <Tonren> Andrew67: Better you miss the joke than tell me to GTFO or something, right?
[12:42] <Andrew67> err?
[12:42] <Andrew67> i dont hate
[12:42] <Flamekebab> Flannel, so if I'm backing up a home folder to an external hard disk, do I want to use the paramaters "--preserve" and do it recursively? (using cp)
[12:43] <sklav> Hi guys
[12:43] <bruenig> dte, do gedit /etc/fstab and make sure all your partitions are listed
[12:43] <dte> bruenig, i did, and they are
[12:43] <Andrew67> Flamekebab: for backups checkout the -a or --archive flag, which is 3 helpful flags in one iirc
[12:43] <aLPHa_LeaK>  nn
[12:43] <dte> bruenig, everything is like it was before, when everything was working
[12:43] <bruenig> dte, do mount -a
[12:43] <anto9us> AlReece44: anything in Xorg.0.log?
[12:43] <SurfnKid> how can i insert an alt+ object
[12:43] <villr[] ye> can anyone here recommend a good audio player?
[12:43] <SurfnKid> it seems not doing so with 165
[12:44] <sl021> sorry i r bak
[12:44] <AlReece44> anto9us: hold on, let me check.
[12:44] <sklav> villr[] ye, amarok
[12:44] <sl021> i got the code
[12:44] <sl021> thing
[12:44] <anto9us> sl021: paste it into the sources.list file and save it
[12:44] <Andrew67> amaroK is good, watch out if it pulls in too many KDE dependencies :/
[12:44] <swim> does anyone know what the nautilus-bzr plugin does?
[12:44] <sl021> # Automatically generated sources.list # http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[12:44] <sklav> or try xmms for something minimal
[12:44] <villr[] ye> sklav: is there an updated package for it.
[12:44] <thedash> is there any particular reason why some of my folder names [when viewed over my shared files]  change?
[12:44] <dte> bruenig, I did, but it didn't mount them... or at least I don't have access to them :/
[12:44] <anto9us> sl021: let me know when that's done
[12:44] <villr[] ye> i only see 1.3.9
[12:44] <UbuntuNoob> can anyone here give me a very basic step by step on how to play encrypted DVDs in either totem or xine?
[12:44] <villr[] ye> and it's at 1.4.3 now.
[12:44] <CokeNCode> ok, guys, help. want to hide a folder from other users.
[12:45] <CokeNCode> i have made it so they can't read the content
[12:45] <villr[] ye> !automatix
[12:45] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://www.getautomatix.com/ ; For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[12:45] <bruenig> dte, everything is the same you say. You are the same user right?
[12:45] <thedash> make it .folder :P
[12:45] <CokeNCode> but, i want them not to be able to see the folder at all
[12:45] <villr[] ye> UbuntuNoob: !automatix
[12:45] <CokeNCode> thedash, isn't there a better way that can't be discovered just by choosing 'show hidden files' ?
[12:45] <nozorro> dte: you're sure no-one tampered with your machine?
[12:45] <dte> bruenig, yes, I am the same user... there are only 2, and this is mine
[12:45] <UbuntuNoob> thanks, I'll take a look at it
[12:45] <sl021> anto9us: k
[12:45] <anto9us> CokeNCode: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHMOD
[12:45] <swim> anyone?
[12:46] <dte> nozorro, nope, no1 able to use linux at home... my sister is surfing the web only... and she doesnt have permission to do anything with the machine
[12:46] <__mikem> CokeNCode, there is, put the contents of the dirrectory in another filesystem, and write a script to mount that filesystem only when your account is logged on
[12:46] <ompaul> UbuntuNoob, if it breaks your machine please note that you need to go to #automatix as we will tell you to reinstall
[12:46] <anto9us> sl021: now make sure synaptic is closed and in a terminal type sudo apt-get update
[12:46] <ompaul> UbuntuNoob, much better to follow the documentation
[12:46] <swim> does anyone know what the nautilus-bzr plugin does anyone at all?
[12:46] <ompaul> !restricted > UbuntuNoob
[12:46] <bruenig> dte, what did it do when you did mount -a?
[12:46] <CokeNCode> anto9us, how is CHMOD gonna help me to hide a folder
[12:46] <dte> bruenig, nothing, just a new line
[12:46] <CokeNCode> they will still see it
[12:46] <ompaul> UbuntuNoob, please read the documentation that ubotu pointed you to
[12:46] <bruenig> dte, do mount -av
[12:46] <thedash> is there any particular reason why some of my folder names [when viewed over my shared files]  change?
[12:46] <anto9us> swim: I guess it would read bazaar servers, sort of like cvs
[12:47] <CokeNCode> their three options with chmod ... write read execute
[12:47] <UbuntuNoob> will do
[12:47] <CokeNCode> nothing in chmod about hiding
[12:47] <sl021> E: Malformed line 22 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[12:47] <anto9us> CokeNCode: you can set the read permissions on it
[12:47] <rixxon> is there any simple yet useful image editor (think ms paint) in the repos?
[12:47] <thedash> "Dream Theater" became "D0IVKM~Z", "P.O.D." became "P52W9L~A", "t.A.T.u." became "T7925Q~9", and a few others
[12:47] <ompaul> CokeNCode, user group world permissions
[12:47] <__mikem> CokeNCode, let me say this again there is a way to hide the dirrectory, put the contents of the dirrectory in another filesystem, and write a script to mount that filesystem only when your account is logged on
[12:47] <CokeNCode> anto9us, but the read permissions wouldn't hide the folder ... it just means they can't open it
[12:47] <Flamekebab> right, back on track
[12:47] <mikeconcepts> sound blaster 16 wave effects sound card did not work in a new install of dapper for my cousin, and would like to know if there is a howto to resolve that issue
[12:47] <Flamekebab> archiving my entire home folder in a tar archive
[12:47] <dte> bruenig, now it says they are already mounted, but still no permission to access them
[12:47] <sl021> anto9us: line 22: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[12:47] <Flamekebab> thank gods for 400GB external hard drives
[12:47] <anto9us> CokeNCode: you can bury it inside another folder that they can't read, that would hide it
[12:47] <CokeNCode> ok __mikem thanks, I was just making sure I understood correctly, and that these other methods suggested would not work
[12:47] <nozorro> CokeNCode: chmod isn't made for that
[12:48] <bruenig> dte, can you find where they are physically mounted?
[12:48] <bruenig> or not physically but you get the idea
[12:48] <CokeNCode> anto9us, thanks. That was going to be my last resort
[12:48] <bruenig> where on the filesystem they are mounted
[12:48] <anto9us> CokeNCode: make sure the -x is set too, they can't traverse down it then
[12:48] <ompaul> CokeNCode, of course you should remember you can't hide on root or anyone who can sudo -i
[12:48] <dte> bruenig, I don't get what you mean... can you please explain?
[12:48] <swim> whats that cool new menu called?
[12:48] <CokeNCode> ompaul, yeh, i know.
[12:48] <CokeNCode> i'm just hiding it from my g/f : /
[12:48] <__mikem> ompaul, I think my solution is better
[12:48] <bruenig> dte, do gedit fstab, and see where the mount points are, see if they are mounted there
[12:49] <CokeNCode> she doesn't know my root password
[12:49] <villr[] ye> !restricted
[12:49] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:49] <mike-digiport-> im having a problem loggin in
[12:49] <CokeNCode> she complains whenever she sees my errr ... 'entertainment'
[12:49] <bruenig> dte, not gedit fstab, but gedit /etc/fstab
[12:49] <dte> bruenig, oh, they are all in /media/
[12:49] <ompaul> __mikem, depends on if she can use recovery methods
[12:49] <mike-digiport-> im logging in and it is just trying to go into the window manager, then it goes back to the login screen
[12:49] <mike-digiport-> saying the authentication isnt correct, yet it is
[12:49] <anto9us> sl021: you may have missed some of the file
[12:49] <bruenig> dte, have you tried cding into there
[12:50] <dte> bruenig, yes, it says permission denied
[12:50] <sl021> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
[12:50] <sl021> ## distribution.
[12:50] <sl021> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[12:50] <sl021> ## repository.
[12:50] <sl021> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[12:50] <sl021> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[12:50] <mike-digiport-> oh wait I see, out of disk space
[12:50] <ompaul> !paste
[12:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:50] <mike-digiport-> what can I do with apt tool to see tools I dont need for deletion
[12:50] <Tonren> is "ppp" a dial-up modem service?
[12:50] <barata> kppp is easier to use
[12:51] <Tonren> barata: I'm trying to figure out if I can remove it from init.d, because I do'nt have a modem on my laptop
[12:51] <Tonren> Also, what's the difference between anacron and cron?  Which should I run?
[12:52] <destromofia> #gaim on irc.freenode.net
[12:52] <alex__> hi, i juste tried to install xgl/compiz on my amd64, then i abandonned since it seems impossible, but now ive scrapd my gdm, it wont startup even with startx, but typing just X brings up the gui, but gdm and startx only gives my this error: FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1, fixing.
[12:52] <mustang02> hey, I'm trying to get my Ralink 2460 wireless card to work, lsmod shows rt2400 loaded, I installed the rt2400 pakage, but RaConfig2400 says i don't have the driver loaded. dmesg says: rt2400: ra0 at 0xf4100000, VA 0xf8b40000, IRQ 169. and if i enable the card, it freezes my system.
[12:52] <nozorro> Tonren: cron is desgined for machines that are up all the time ...
[12:52] <Tonren> nozorro: I know that.  What's the difference between cron and anacron?
[12:52] <nozorro> Tonren: anachron for those which are turned on/off every day
[12:53] <Tonren> nozorro: Is PPP for dial-up modems?
[12:53] <dte> bruenig, hmm.. in the Users and Groups, under my account in the Advanced tab evetyrhing was disabled... :/
[12:53] <nozorro> Tonren: yes, and for direct serial links
[12:53] <mikeconcepts> sound blaster 16 wave effects sound card did not work in a new install of dapper for my cousin, and would like to know if there is a howto to resolve that issue
[12:53] <Tonren> nozorro: K, I can remove that, too, then... I'm trying to see if Linux will boot faster if I remove extraneous services from init.d
[12:53] <dte> bruenig, I didn't do it... I was editing my realname, but I didn't touch anything else... let me reboot and see if it works now...
[12:53] <nozorro> Tonren: you could remove it, but won't gain much i think
[12:53] <bruenig> dte, that goes to whoever said someone was messing with your system
[12:53] <_Pablox_> hoi
[12:53] <_Pablox_> hi
[12:53] <_Pablox_> :)
[12:54] <Tonren> nozorro: do I need both sysklogd AND klogd?
[12:54] <dte> brb
[12:54] <Tonren> nozorro: Also, I have integrated ATI graphics.  Do I need nvidia-kernel?
[12:54] <sklav> yes Tonren
[12:54] <sklav> kernel logger
[12:54] <nozorro> Tonren: leave them on. you'll miss them one day, trust me :-)
[12:54] <sklav> and system logger
[12:54] <sklav> they are needed
[12:54] <loco_gr> Hi! I have a prob with tvtime. I assume that it has to do with ATI drivers. Here is what i get as an error message : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23101
[12:54] <Tonren> nozorro: sklav: Gotcha.  What about nvidia-kernel?
[12:55] <nozorro> Tonren: don't remove services from init.d in anycase
[12:55] <sklav> Tonren, nvidia kernel is the drivers for nvidia glx
[12:55] <Tonren> nozorro: Why not?  If I don't need them, why run them on bootup?
[12:55] <sklav> so yes you want them but no you dont need them
[12:55] <Tonren> nozorro: I mean, I totally don't need both KDM *AND* GDM, right?
[12:55] <sklav> unless you dont have an nvidia card
[12:55] <Tonren> sklav: Well... I have ATI.
[12:56] <lamego> Tonren, just remove the kdm package :)
[12:56] <sklav> then no you need the ati kenerl drivers
[12:56] <nozorro> Tonren: if you understand all the consequences involved, remove what you want. i don't always (and i've been using linux for 10 years)
[12:56] <Tonren> lamego: Weird... I wonder why aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop didn't get rid fo KDM.
[12:56] <Tonren> nozorro: Worst case scenario, I just add the service again.
[12:56] <nozorro> Tonren: in any case there are tools to remove services cleanly
[12:56] <Tonren> sklav: I gave up on XGL anyway.
[12:56] <sklav> xgl is awesome
[12:56] <lamego> Tonren, kubuntu-desktop is a metpackage, removing it will not remove its contents
[12:56] <sklav> im running it now
[12:56] <Tonren> nozorro: Uhh... isn't update-rc.d one of them?
[12:57] <nozorro> Tonren: provided you can boot up
[12:57] <lamego> meta
[12:57] <Tonren> nozorro: I tried using the GUI Boot-Up Manager and it doesn't work at ALL.
[12:57] <lamego> Tonren, have you logged in using gdm ?
[12:57] <Tonren> lamego: Yeah, I've always used GDM.  I tried to install kubuntu-desktop, and it broke my computer, so I uninstalled it.
[12:58] <dte> bruenig, works great now... thats for trying to help... changeing something in the Users and Groups sets them to a default or something? Or I clicked something that I didn't notice doing it?
[12:58] <vrta> a quick question: can i make an application start on a specific workspace?
[12:58] <nozorro> Tonren: update-rc.d doesn't remove from /etc/init.d
[12:58] <mike-digiport-> I need to boot the computer off the ubuntu cd,. so I can then mount the harddrive so I can wipe out tmp directories that are taking up space
[12:58] <Tonren> nozorro: ... now I'm confused.
[12:58] <lamego> Tonren, install sysvconfig
[12:58] <mike-digiport-> how can I do this
[12:58] <mike-digiport-> once the CD is in, and I've restarted??
[12:58] <Bennedetto> hey, anyone here use gnome-rdp?
[12:58] <bruenig> dte, gui, *yawn*
[12:58] <lamego> sysvconfig is a curses based service manager
[12:59] <Tonren> lamego: What is "curses"?  I've heard of it before but don't actually know what it is
[12:59] <nozorro> Tonren: that's why i warned you :-) -- man update-rc.d
[12:59] <dte> bruenig, yeah, but I am new to the linux world so it's ok for now ;)... anyway, off to watch some Voyager, thanks again! Bye bye!
[12:59] <mike-digiport-> anyone?
[12:59] <Tonren> nozorro: If it doesn't remove a service from /etc/init.d, what DOES update-rc.d do?  Doesn't /etc/init.d manage which services are launched on bootup?
[12:59] <Flamekebab> after running up against the lovely limitation on filesize that users of FAT32 are all too familiar with, I have a question
[12:59] <lamego> Tonren, cursues is a text based library
[12:59] <lamego> curses
[12:59] <Tonren> lamego: Library for what...?
[12:59] <lamego> it means, its a console baded program
[12:59] <Tonren> lamego: Oh, like text-based GUIs?
[12:59] <nozorro> Tonren: i told you already. use man
[12:59] <lamego> Tonren, to develop text guis :P
[12:59] <lamego> yup
[01:00] <Flamekebab> so, how do I create a tar archive of a folder, with it automatically splitting into a new one every 3.5GB?
[01:00] <mike-digiport-> How can I boot Linux off my Ubuntu CD so I can boot into some type of terminal to mount the harddrive, and wipe out the /tmp directories
[01:00] <Tonren> nozorro: Oh... dude, don't scare me like that.  It just manages the scripting tool that runs ON TOP of init.d.  So it doesn't DIRECTLY affect init.d, but it kind of does anyway.
[01:00] <AlReece44> anto9us: you there?
[01:00] <lamego> Flamekebab, you tar to the stdout and pipe it to the split command
[01:00] <mike-digiport-> because the files inside are taking up too much HD space
[01:00] <anto9us> AlReece44: yes
[01:00] <Bennedetto> mike-digiport-: just put the cd in and reboot the computer
[01:00] <mike-digiport-> I did
[01:01] <Bennedetto> ok
[01:01] <AlReece44> anto9us: the only thing I think might be it would be "ProcXCloseDevice to close or not ?"
[01:01] <nozorro> Tonren: yes. but before you said you're going to remove from init.d, whithout even mentioning the tool you're using
[01:01] <mike-digiport-> but when i press enter in the boot: prompt
[01:01] <mike-digiport-> it just goes to the insstallation
[01:01] <Bennedetto> hmm
[01:01] <AlReece44> anto9us: in Xorg.0.log
[01:01] <Flamekebab> lamego, how do I go about doing that?
[01:01] <vrta> Can i make an application start on a specific workspace? Like adding some parameter to its shortcut or something..:=
[01:01] <Bennedetto> what cd do you have? is it a newer or and older one
[01:01] <Tonren> nozorro: True.  I did, in fact, have little to no idea what I was doing.  However, I knew enough that I knew NOT to just delete stuff from /etc/init.d.  That's why i was asking about the tool to use.
[01:01] <Flamekebab> bearing in mind that it must be done "on the fly" so to speak
[01:01] <lamego> Flamekebab, you will need the basics of using linux commands with stdin/stdout and pipe
[01:01] <tj> what do you guys think would be the best way to make a menu through a bash script that is terminal based? (currently using dialog, looking for better way)
[01:02] <Tonren> vrta: I think that KDE has some GUI tools for that, but I'm not sure.
[01:02] <lamego> Flamekebab, "tar cvf - files | split "
[01:02] <Bennedetto> mike-digiport-: the cd's take you into a live cd environment, at least they did when i installed ubuntu
[01:02] <lamego> Flamekebab, man split, for the split options, i dont remember now
[01:02] <vrta> i'm using gnome... :/
[01:02] <mike-digiport-> o.
[01:02] <Flamekebab> hmm
[01:02] <sklav> mike-digiport-, which versionare you installing?
[01:02] <Tonren> vrta: I know, but sometimes stuff like that is important enough to you that you might switch.  :P
[01:02] <Flamekebab> lamego, can you recieve PMs on here? If so, would you mind if I quickly asked you a few questions about this?
[01:02] <Bennedetto> mike-digiport-: if you had any live cd at all you could do it, knoppix would work
[01:02] <anto9us> AlReece44: it's beyond me mate, there's a lot of things to try, order of modules being loaded etc. other than that I don't know what to advise
[01:02] <vehbi> does ubuntu play mp3 and divx by default? also rar archives
[01:03] <Tonren> nozorro: So, hang on.. before I had sysvconfig installed, was Ubuntu still using sysvconfig script to boot up?
[01:03] <mike-digiport-> i got the ubuntu 5.10 for pc
[01:03] <Tonren> nozorro: Or did I just change my boot-up procedure by installing the sysvconfig package?
[01:03] <Bennedetto> hmm, i dont know i haven't used any older versions
[01:03] <sklav> mike-digiport-, ok that start the installer
[01:03] <Flamekebab> vehbi, I'm pretty certain it doesn't, but it can be easily arranged
[01:03] <nozorro> Tonren: update-rc.d should be ok. there's another one that i don't remember right now. be carfule though:-) it's all very intricate. remember these are bootup scripts
[01:03] <AlReece44> anto9us: okay, thanks for the help anyways
[01:03] <sklav> you might have to type rescue and then enter
[01:03] <sklav> i just dont remmebr exactly
[01:03] <vrta> vehbi: no it doesn't u have to apt-get some things and then it works like a carm
[01:04] <sklav> 6.06 on the other hand loads a desktop
[01:04] <Tonren> nozorro: Maybe I still don't understand.  So there are TWO scripts here... the sysvconfig scripts AND the init.d scripts?  Because /etc/init.d just has a bunch of scripts.
[01:04] <erUSUL> vehbi: not out of the box but is easy to add support for everything you like
[01:04] <agentCy> hello
[01:04] <sklav> Tonren, /etc/init.d is like windows services
[01:04] <sklav> that is where the services scripts are loaded
[01:04] <vehbi> what about flash disk detection and cdrom , are they automatic by default?
[01:04] <aSt3raL> how do i check to see if my ssh server is running?
[01:04] <erUSUL> vehbi: yes
[01:04] <vehbi> and bluetooth
[01:05] <zero-1> how can i format as swap using disks-admin?
[01:05] <erUSUL> !bluetooth
[01:05] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[01:05] <Andrew67> aSt3raL: you could ssh into localhost
[01:05] <sklav> aSt3raL, try connecting to it is my fail safe way
[01:05] <erUSUL> !mp3
[01:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:05] <mdock> im at bnb buying a ubuntu book. orielly hacks vs official guide? any suggestions? i have it installed and running already. i'm prob intermediate level
[01:05] <agentCy> ps -elf | grep ssh
[01:05] <nozorro> Tonren: which are started according to the runlevel called, in /etc/init.d/rc<runlevelnumber>.d -- the scripts in the latter are links to the ones in /etc/init.d
[01:06] <shahab> Hi
[01:06] <sklav> hi
[01:06] <aSt3raL> localhost works but remote wont work
[01:06] <agentCy> hi
[01:06] <vehbi> java? is it in repository?
[01:06] <Andrew67> aSt3raL: any firewall running?
[01:06] <Tonren> nozorro: Right, I knew that much... but I don't understand why you need two SCRIPTS.  What do the rc#.d scripts do, if the init.d scripts are the ones that actually run stuff?
[01:06] <villr[] ye> I'm trying to build libdvdcss2 but it fails
[01:06] <aSt3raL> no
[01:06] <aSt3raL> also nfs isnt working
[01:06] <Andrew67> router?
[01:06] <villr[] ye> make: dh_testdir: Command not found
[01:06] <sklav> aSt3raL, you have a firewall?
[01:06] <villr[] ye> is the error i get
[01:06] <shahab> guys i am new to Ubuntu, I just need to know how to install stuffs on my new OS ?
[01:06] <agentCy> ssh to port 22?
[01:06] <russ> can anyone help install a wireless card....???....
[01:06] <aSt3raL> i can ping the remote computer
[01:06] <villr[] ye> what has that package?
[01:07] <aSt3raL> but not connect to any services
[01:07] <erUSUL> !synaptic > shahab
[01:07] <Tonren> shahab: Go to Applications -> Add/Remove programs
[01:07] <erUSUL> !synaptic
[01:07] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[01:07] <paradizelost> aSt3raL: do you have portmap installed?
[01:07] <sklav> shahab, try synaptic
[01:07] <nozorro> Tonren: read that man page please
[01:07] <sklav> its self explanatory
[01:07] <agentCy> !hermes
[01:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hermes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:07] <aSt3raL> it was working fine yesterday..
[01:07] <sklav> its a package manager
[01:07] <mike-digiport-> so i just run the installation as normal?\
[01:07] <sklav> you dont need portmap for ssh
[01:07] <Andrew67> or Add/Remove Programs contains basic programs
[01:07] <paradizelost> sklav: you do for nfs though
[01:07] <nozorro> Tonren: you're on the right track, but even with the right tool, bootup scripts are somewhat dangerous to handle
[01:07] <sklav> mike-digiport-, if your trying to do an install yes
[01:08] <aSt3raL> nfs ssh and apache wont accept remote connections
[01:08] <sklav> paradizelost, yes that i agree
[01:08] <paradizelost> aSt3raL: can you telnet to the ports?
[01:08] <Andrew67> aSt3raL: are you behind a router?
[01:08] <Tonren> nozorro: I've read it, but I don't know what "init" is, exactly, and I have no concept of "runlevels" either.
[01:08] <KyoLptp`> mplayer froze and won't close when I click X
[01:08] <KyoLptp`> how do I kill it?
[01:08] <sklav> aSt3raL, you have firewall installed?
[01:08] <Andrew67> Tonren: init is the master process
[01:08] <aSt3raL> theres a router no firewall
[01:08] <Andrew67> sklav: he said no
[01:08] <AlReece44> aSt3raL: can you ping the computer?
[01:08] <Andrew67> you need to forward the ports
[01:08] <aSt3raL> yes i can ping it
[01:08] <Andrew67> using the router interface
[01:08] <Tonren> nozorro: You can't possibly be telling me that it's dangerous to tell my computer that it doesn't need to run "festival" text-to-speech every freaking time it boots up.
[01:08] <sklav> sorry i missed it it
xkill
[01:09] <KyoLptp`> please elaborate
[01:09] <Tonren> nozorro: I mean... there's no easier way to do it, with less risk involved...?
[01:09] <paradizelost> aSt3raL: do you have physical access to the box?
[01:09] <aSt3raL> yes
[01:09] <nozorro> Tonren: if you don't know these, take even more care when changing the boot procedure. it's all documented though.
[01:09] <sklav> is listen <IP_ADDRESS> an option in the sshd_config
[01:09] <paradizelost> aSt3raL: make sure the services are running on the box.  ps -eaf|grep sshd
[01:09] <sklav> or is listen <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:09] <KyoLptp`> oh, nevermnind
[01:09] <KyoLptp`> mind*
[01:09] <Andrew67> sklav: he said he's behind a router, its possibly needs port forwarding
open a terminal and type xkill then click on the app window  you want to close
[01:09] <KyoLptp`> thanks
[01:09] <Tonren> nozorro: I don't mean to sound snippy.  It's just that I am a college student without a hundred years to kill, and I feel like there should be a way to remove something as useless as "festival text to speech" without worrying about bricking my boot process.
[01:10] <aSt3raL> nah i didnt have port forwarding set up before
[01:10] <Andrew67> Tonren: sysv-rc-conf
no worries
[01:10] <nozorro> Tonren: festival should be no problem, but ...
[01:10] <sklav> Tonren, then remove the festival package
[01:10] <nozorro> Tonren: these scripts are very interdependent
[01:10] <nozorro> Tonren: sometimes you don't see it until it's too late.
[01:11] <Tonren> nozorro: I understand.  You're saying for example, even if I don't have a dialup modem, removing the ppp process might confuse another one that depends on it.
[01:11] <nozorro> Tonren: it *might*
[01:11] <aSt3raL> haha
[01:11] <Tonren> nozorro: Well, I'm about to reboot after removing a bunch of processes, so let's hope I didn't break everything!  :D
[01:11] <luisbg> there is a kernel that appears in my menu.lst of grub, I want to boot from it, but when I reboot in the grub it doesn't appear, how can I make grub update with the menu.lst?
[01:11] <aSt3raL> my laptop connected to the wrong wireless network
[01:11] <nozorro> Tonren: in any case ppp won't start if you don't have a modem. similar to other services
[01:12] <aSt3raL> man that one was racking my brain too
[01:12] <Andrew67> aSt3raL: configure your wireless to connect you yours then
[01:12] <tj> what is the best way to make terminal based menus through bash scripts?
[01:12] <Tonren> nozorro: I see it starting when I boot up
[01:12] <Tonren> nozorro: I don't hav ea bluetooth laptop, but bluetooth services start up
[01:12] <nozorro> Tonren: they might just check things and then exit
[01:12] <Tonren> nozorro: Anyway, I had to find a way to increase boot speed.  It takes a full two-to-three minutes, whereas windows takes about thirty seconds.
[01:13] <Tonren> nozorro: That's not a huge amount of time, but I turn my laptop off and on a lot because it gets hot, and three minutes of nothing is excrutiating when i just want to get work done.
[01:13] <larryone> my ubuntu server is having network problems.... it can only communitcte within its own subnet. I'll fix that later, but for now I need sshd on it as it's console connection sucks
[01:13] <sklav> Tonren this might be related to dhcp or something similar
[01:13] <nozorro> Tonren: could we get to a more practical level please
[01:13] <Tonren> nozorro: What do you mean?
[01:13] <larryone> what deb package do I need???  (6.06)
[01:13] <sklav> misconfigured network can cause delays that you have mentionned
[01:13] <nozorro> Tonren: you're typing 3 answers at a time :-)
[01:13] <Tonren> sklav: It's not that; "configuring network services" takes about 5 seconds.  At least, I don't think it's that.
[01:14] <Tonren> nozorro: I'm sorry.. I don't see what you mean.  3 answers?
[01:14] <mike-digiport-> I just dont know what to type in the boot: prompt when the CD is booted after a restart
[01:14] <nozorro> Tonren: stay a bit more focussed please.
[01:14] <mike-digiport-> cause i just need a shell
[01:14] <mike-digiport-> a rescue type shell
[01:14] <Tonren> nozorro: ... okay?
[01:15] <sklav> mike-digiport-, when the cdrom boots use the advanced option which list different ways to boot of of the 5.10 cdrom
[01:15] <nozorro> Tonren: basically, i'm telling you: use that tool to change the boot procedure, but take a lot of care. change one thing at a time.
[01:15] <Tonren> nozorro: Anyway, I'm gonna reboot.  Let's see if I broke my linux!
[01:15] <Tonren> nozorro: That's good advice, at least
[01:15] <sklav> it says how to do it on the screen example of one is F2
[01:15] <mad_man> what is the prog to use for burning a iso file for booting from ?
[01:15] <mike-digiport-> sklav: Once I execute a shell
[01:16] <mad_man> best*
[01:16] <mike-digiport-> it loads the tmpfs right?
[01:16] <sklav> before you execute a shell
[01:16] <Tonren> nozorro: I should've done one at a time, but I did a few... the troublemaker would probably be KDM or PPP, because I didn't configure kubuntu properly when I tried to install it
[01:16] <sklav> yes mike-digiport-
[01:16] <Tonren> Here goes!
[01:16] <mike-digiport-> can I then mount the hd there?
[01:16] <brendonjt> mad_man: to burn a iso  i recomend k3b  it's the bomb
[01:16] <sklav> it loads all sorts of recovery programs
[01:16] <mike-digiport-> cause trying mount /dev/hda1 tells me cant find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab
[01:16] <luisbg> i've generated a menu.lst with update-grub, how do I make grub work with it now?
[01:16] <erUSUL> mad_man: in naitilus right click in the iso file and choose burn to disk
[01:17] <larryone> I'm browsing through the ubuntu mirror ftp site nearest me, but can't find which deb file I need for sshd on my ubuntu server (6.06) can anyone tell me where I need to look?
[01:17] <nozorro> Tonren: you need to know what each service does, and how. best way is to read the init scripts
[01:17] <sklav> luisbg, just reboot grub always re-reads the grub.lst file
[01:17] <tj> for science fair, my team is trying to make ubuntu simpler for beginner users, what do you guys think of an automated installer that remains up to date, and gets apps from sourceforge via a mirror of your choice?
[01:17] <Andrew67> luisbg: if its /boot/grub/menu.lst then next reboot should pick it up
[01:18] <luisbg> Andrew67, hmmm it didn't weird
[01:18] <luisbg> sklav, really :S
[01:18] <sklav> yes luisbg
[01:18] <sklav> just make sure its located where Andrew67 mentionned
[01:18] <erUSUL> larryone: use synaptic to install software. or 'sudo apt-get install sshd'
[01:19] <larryone> erUSUL, I cant
[01:19] <larryone> I need to do this one by hand
[01:19] <larryone> also I'm consoled in, graphical applications cant be run
[01:19] <erUSUL> larryone: why yo can not?
[01:19] <erUSUL> you
[01:19] <larryone> my ubuntu server is having network problems.... it can only communitcte within its own subnet. I'll fix that later, but for now I need sshd on it as it's console connection sucks
[01:19] <luisbg> sklav, it is where Andrew67 points out
[01:19] <mike-digiport-> ahhhh'
[01:20] <erUSUL> larryone: use apt or aptitude both for cli
[01:20] <sklav> then luisbg it should be picked up on the next reboot
[01:20] <Tonren> nozorro: Well, here I am!  Boot-up is definitely a little quicker.
[01:20] <nozorro> erUSUL: the package is called openssh-server
[01:20] <larryone> they wont work - I can only communicate inside my subnet
[01:20] <luisbg> sklav, will try again thanks
[01:20] <sklav> larryone, its sounds like a problem of default gateway
[01:20] <nozorro> Tonren: good for you :-)
[01:21] <Tonren> nozorro: Aww, you're so pissed that I didn't break everything.
[01:21] <larryone> erUSUL, none of them will work, I need to get the deb onto another machine, then ftp it to my ubuntu server to install
[01:21] <Tonren> nozorro: (that came off a lot more asinine than I meant it to - sorry.  :P)
[01:21] <larryone> sklav, my default gateway is correct
[01:21] <larryone> same as my other machines
[01:21] <erUSUL> larryone: as nozorro says it is openssh-server
[01:21] <nozorro> Tonren: would you have thought that removing cron/anacron would change printing options? you wouldn't
[01:21] <sklav> larryone, are you able to access internet from that machine?
[01:22] <larryone> yes, but do I get it in http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/  or in another directory???
[01:22] <Tonren> nozorro: No, I didn't think about that.  I kept anacron, but removed cron, for the record.
[01:22] <larryone> sklav, no, I can only communicate with machines in the subnet
[01:22] <Tonren> nozorro: Actually, it makes sense now that I think about it.  because the crontab probably controls printer checking.
[01:22] <sklav> larryone, is there a reason you are not using apt-get install packagename?
[01:22] <larryone> YES!
[01:22] <larryone> I have no internet connection on that machine
[01:22] <nozorro> Tonren: it could, but it doesn't. i meant something else :-)
[01:23] <Tonren> nozorro: Oh.  Why, then?
[01:23] <larryone> I can only talk to machines on my subnet!
[01:23] <nozorro> Tonren: you would find out one day if you removed it :-)
[01:23] <sklav> ok
[01:23] <Tonren> nozorro: Hahaha, well I won't.  The two of them, at least, are important!
[01:23] <agentCy> can you tunnel the apt get thru another machine?
[01:23] <nozorro> Tonren: not to mention that your logs won't be cycled correctly anymore
[01:23] <ABRAXAS77> hi
[01:24] <ABRAXAS77> can  u recommend any vnc client please?
[01:24] <larryone> I need to get sshd on it because I'm currently consoled in, but the console connection doesnt let me do much.
[01:24] <Tonren> nozorro: If I removed anacron?
[01:24] <brendonjt> what web browsers  do ppl  use here i decided to give epiphany ago  and so far it is ok
[01:24] <erUSUL> larryone: can you use wget?
[01:24] <Tonren> ABRAXAS77: I think ubuntu comes installed with "vncviewer"
[01:24] <ABRAXAS77> tortoise_,   i dont use ubuntu
[01:24] <sklav> brendonjt, i use firefox
[01:24] <nozorro> Tonren: then you have to rely on the machine being switched on at the correct hours
[01:24] <Tonren> nozorro: Is that if I removed anacron?
[01:24] <bayzider> how do i install active x on firefox in ubuntu
[01:24] <larryone> erUSUL, I cant talk to anything outside my subnet, so NO!
[01:25] <nozorro> Tonren: yep
[01:25] <Tonren> nozorro: Well, I didn't.  :P
[01:25] <brendonjt> sklaw: ff  has some good plugins  easy to configure
[01:25] <tortoise_> ABRAXAS77: your loss :)
[01:25] <Tonren> nozorro: Maybe you can help me with something else... for some reason, Ubuntu no longer runs dhclient eth0 on bootup. (btw, I DID NOT screw with ANY network-oriented boot stuff other than ppp).  What's the deal with that?
[01:25] <bouncing> Can anyone find f-stop? I remember it in ubuntu, but I don't see the package anymore.
[01:25] <tortoise_> ABRAXAS77: Can I help you?
[01:25] <nozorro> Tonren: no idea really
[01:25] <Tonren> nozorro: Hmmm.
[01:25] <larryone> I just want to know where in the local repository do I get the openssh-server, is it in /ubuntu/pool/main/ ???
[01:25] <larryone> or elsewhere?
[01:25] <sklav> brendonjt, firefox is also pretty quick and well supported
[01:25] <erUSUL> larryone: so how you expect to get the package and install it? i think that you said that you were browsing some ftp site...
[01:25] <Tonren> Hey, can anyone give me some insight into why this postfix error occurs?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23102
[01:25] <erUSUL> larryone: http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh-server_4.2p1-7ubuntu3_i386.deb
[01:25] <Zarephath> Just got 6.06 installed on my lappie :-)
[01:26] <brendonjt> sklaw: epiphany the only thing is the extensions  can't be configureed and it is less configureable,  but FF is a resource  hog as well
[01:26] <agentCy> Zarephath, everything works?? :)
[01:26] <larryone> erUSUL, thank you, you have just answered my question
[01:26] <Zarephath> However my scroll on the synaptic touch pad doesn't work? Has anyone seen a fix?
[01:26] <bayzider> any one know?
[01:26] <Zarephath> agenCy: Pretty much
[01:26] <ABRAXAS77> tortoise_, was not for u,im sorry
[01:26] <agentCy> awesome
[01:27] <larryone> and to answer yours, my other machines can access the internet, but my ubuntu server can only talk to the local machines on the local subnet
[01:27] <erUSUL> larryone: so after all you can somehow acces the net (although indirectly...)
[01:27] <larryone> yes
[01:27] <kingpanga> Help PLS !!!
[01:27] <erUSUL> !help
[01:27] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[01:27] <larryone> I can access the net from a different machine, then ftp the deb over to the ubuntu server
[01:27] <sklav> Tonren, have you configured postfix?
[01:27] <bayzider> !active x
[01:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about active x - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:27] <Tonren> sklav: Incorrectly.
[01:27] <liquidten2> Tonren: if you read the output, it specifically says that /etc/postfix/main.cf doesn't exist.  Also, it doesn't matter because you received an IP address anyway.
[01:28] <erUSUL> bayzider: yo can't use active x in linux firefox
[01:28] <bayzider> oh ok, thanks
[01:28] <sklav> Tonren, it seems you have deleted main.cf
[01:28] <Tonren> liquidten2: It doesn't matter, but I'm a perfectionist schmuck and want it to go away.
[01:28] <kingpanga> what is the command that replaces "ll" in fedora ????????
[01:28] <sklav> or renamed it
[01:29] <erUSUL> kingpanga: ll works for me here is usually an alias for ls -l
[01:29] <Tonren> kingpanga: alias...?
[01:29] <Tonren> sklav: I... don't know what main.cf is.  I never messed with it directly.  What is a .cf file?
[01:29] <djm62> OK, I've googled about and found out that I can reset networkmanager after suspend (suspend to disk, at least).  I have a script that does the trick- how can I get this to Just Work?  I'm sure I can find somewhere to put it so that it gets executed, but where's the best place?
[01:29] <kingpanga> thx erUSUL:
[01:30] <sklav> Tonren, main.cf is like a windows ini file
[01:30] <mike-digiport-> how can I load the login screen of Ubuntu in console mode
[01:30] <mike-digiport-> ctrl+alt+f1 didnt do anything
[01:30] <sklav> and its postfix specific this file
[01:30] <Tonren> sklav: Do you think maybe, if I uninstalled postfix, but something else was looking for it, I'd get this error?
[01:30] <nootrope> Synaptic seems to be stuck on Installing and removing software. It's throbbing on the tesk bar but not doing anything. What does this throbbing indicate?
[01:30] <sklav> Tonren garanteed
[01:31] <Tonren> sklav: OKay... well, I don't want to reinstall Postfix, so, how do I figure out what is looking for it, and have it stop looking for it?
[01:31] <sklav> Tonren you have your first broken dep it seems
[01:31] <Tonren> sklav: Or should I just bite the bullet and reinstall postfix?
[01:31] <mike-digiport-> ???
[01:31] <sudo> nootrope: it doesn't really mean anything, it usually happens
[01:31] <Tonren> sklav: This isn't a function of removing stuff using update-rc.d, btw.  This was happening for a while before
[01:32] <sklav> Tonren if postfix is installed just disable it from starting
[01:32] <nootrope> sudo: ok. thanks.
[01:32] <Tonren> sklav: I used sudo update-rc.d postfix remove
[01:32] <Tonren> sklav: But it's still giving me this error.
[01:32] <sklav> Tonren, ok that removes the start service
[01:32] <CokeNCode> ok, i have ubuntu installed, and i need to set up a dual boot from here ... i have another hard drive by the way ... what's the easiest way to go about this
[01:32] <CokeNCode> ubuntu is already installed
[01:32] <anto9us> djm62: /etc/acpi/resume.sh might be the place for it
[01:32] <Tonren> sklav: How do I disable the whole service...?  If that's what you're saying I should do?
[01:32] <CokeNCode> and so is xp on the hard drive
[01:33] <nozorro> Tonren: sorry, i was brutally interrupted and will be back in a few mins
[01:33] <sklav> pretty much the way you mentionned
[01:33] <sklav> just make sure you spelled everything correctly
[01:33] <sklav> linux is case sensative
[01:34] <djm62> anto9us: a place that won't get replaced, or surprise me by asking if I want to update this file or keep it the same, long after I've forgotten all about this little fix?
[01:34] <Flannel> CokeNCode: make space for windows, then install, then recover your grub : help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:35] <anto9us> djm62: I can't see a way around that
[01:35] <Vern> I'm new to Linux (using Ubuntu, else why would I be in this channel?) and would like to know how to modify the Grub configuration files.
[01:35] <russ> has anyone installed a rt2500 Module....???....
[01:35] <erUSUL> Vern: to do what?
[01:36] <erUSUL> !grub
[01:36] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:36] <Blissex> Vern: well, you can just edit it with something like 'gedit'. Or use a frontend.
[01:36] <erUSUL> russ: me
[01:36] <Vern> But what and where are the grub files to edit?
[01:36] <Blissex> Vern: the Ubuntu command line frontend is 'update-grub'. There are others.
[01:36] <erUSUL> Vern: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:36] <sklav> vern /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:36] <sklav> :)
[01:36] <djm62> anto9us: ach well... I'm sure the issue will be solved by next upgrade anyhow
[01:36] <russ> i don't think i get how to install it....i have everything else i need for ubuntu but wireless drivers....
[01:37] <Vern> Thank you muchly!
[01:37] <erUSUL> russ: did you followed the wiki?
[01:37] <anto9us> djm62: especially if you put in a bug report and possibly a patch to trigger your script
[01:37] <russ> i have the installation that comes in the module folder....that's it....
[01:38] <erUSUL> russ: are you using the module that comes with ubuntu or compiling your own
[01:38] <erUSUL> ?
[01:39] <erUSUL> russ: to compile the dl module just do 'sudo apt-get install build-essential && sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:39] <russ> i got this from a site....i really have no idea what i am doing with this....
[01:39] <bruenig> with the exception of using azureus, can I make a .torrent file in linux
[01:39] <erUSUL> russ: run the comand i gave you
[01:39] <TJ> sudo rm -rf /*    or    sudo find / -iname *"**" -delete
[01:39] <djm62> anto9us: no idea what package it would properly be in (acpi-something or NetworkManager?)
[01:40] <bruenig> TJ
[01:40] <bruenig> no one run what TJ just said
[01:40] <stoops> TJ  is an idiot
[01:40] <anto9us> djm62: I'd say acpi, I'm just looking for the appropriate launchpad location now
[01:40] <djm62> anto9us: oh, cheers!
[01:41] <sklav> guys im off for a bit
[01:41] <sklav> later all
[01:42] <erUSUL> russ: any progress?
[01:43] <anto9us> djm62: I think here, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bugs
[01:43] <russ> working on it....ty....
[01:43] <erUSUL> russ: that was only the first step in the process...
[01:44] <russ> o.k....finished....now what do i do....???....
[01:44] <djm62> anto9us: thank you very much, I'll have a search through and then post what I know
[01:44] <erUSUL> russ: are you in the Module folder ?
[01:45] <anto9us> djm62: great idea :)
[01:45] <russ> yes....
[01:45] <erUSUL> russ: run 'make'
[01:47] <weed_> hey, does anyone can help me with the start menu bug?
[01:47] <erUSUL> russ: it should have finished by now...
[01:48] <cmerk> does anyone know what a visible bell in .inputrc looks like?
[01:48] <anto9us> cmerk: a flashing screen I believe
[01:48] <russ> o.k.....i am new at this....where do i run it....
[01:48] <cmerk> anto9us: thanks
[01:48] <Flannel> russ: programs > accessories > terminal
[01:48] <erUSUL> russ: in a console/terminal
[01:49] <erUSUL> !cli
[01:49] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[01:49] <nozorro> Tonren: what is your hardware?
[01:49] <erUSUL> russ: with 'cd /path/to/rt.../Module' and then run make
[01:50] <agentCy> anyone know how to configure the kernel to support the hermes wireless chipset?
[01:50] <Zarephath> larryone: Sounds like you need to look at hosts and hosts.allow and make the appropriate entries for the other machines on your network
[01:50] <brendonjt> erusul:i am using ubuntu(gnome)  but i installed konsole as found it more better as it give you the option of a root sheel as well
[01:50] <weed_> hey, does anyone can help me with the start menu bug?
[01:51] <anto9us> weed_: just ask your question, if someone knows the answer, they may help you :)
[01:51] <erUSUL> brendonjt: i use urxvt + screen when i need root i do 'sudo -i' simple and lightweight... ;)
[01:51] <weed_> its the start menu bug, isnt load anymore :/
[01:51] <weed_> i fix the right click but the start menu doesnt work
[01:52] <anto9us> weed_: it's missing from your panel?
[01:52] <mike-digiport-> how can I delete all the ubuntu games installed
[01:52] <mike-digiport-> ?
[01:52] <Flannel> brendonjt: you can open a root terminal in gnome as well, there's a menu item for it... somewhere
[01:52] <erUSUL> weed_: maybe you somehow removed it. add a new one right click in the pannel and choose add to pannel
[01:53] <weed_> anto9us, noo, its a bug, when u try to edit the menu, its doesnt open anymore
[01:53] <brendonjt> erusul:i got sick, if typeing sudo  or su -i, i like to open straight to root,  it is easier  lol
[01:53] <DigitalNinja> Does vfat support long file names?
[01:53] <nozorro> mike-digiport-: try removing gnome-games
[01:53] <erUSUL> weed_: if it is a bug there is nothing we can do abaut it. report it in launchpad
[01:53] <erUSUL> !bugs
[01:53] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu, please report it at http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[01:54] <nozorro> mike-digiport-: and gnome-games-data
[01:54] <FirstStrike> DigitalNinja: fat32 supports filenames up to 255 characters in length
[01:54] <brendonjt> Flannel:yip  it burried deep in the settings somewhere lol
[01:54] <DigitalNinja> FirstStrike: OK.
[01:56] <DigitalNinja> FirstStrike: I'm trying to copy data to a usb drive with a vfat file system. I get errors every time. However, if I copy the data to a directory on the system I don't get any errors
[01:56] <swim> i am really appalled at all linux gui ftp apps
[01:56] <brendonjt> swin:  in what way??
[01:56] <anto9us> swim: tried nautilus?
[01:57] <Paddy_EIRE> what would be causing a buzzing sound to be coming from my tower
[01:57] <quintin> I am really appaled at linux
[01:57] <tainted_> how do i convert wav to mp3?
[01:57] <quintin> tainted_: search the web, please
[01:57] <erUSUL> tainted_: sound-converter, lame...
[01:57] <gok> hi
[01:57] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: a bearing in the PSU or processor fan or maybe a cd in the drive where the hole isn't exactly in the center
[01:57] <erUSUL> !info sound-converter
try using sudo apt-get install soundconverter
[01:57] <ubotu> Package sound-converter does not exist in any distro I know
[01:57] <tainted_> quintin appalled as in discovering you have a third nipple appalled?
[01:58] <vrta> hi, me again....
[01:58] <quintin> tainted_: something like that
[01:58] <tainted_> erUSUL doesn't lame require mp3 plugin?
could that lead to further probs im not sorted, these things tend to be cheap dont they
[01:58] <gok> i would to buy pci ide controler, please tell where i can find ubuntu compatibliy list ?
[01:58] <erUSUL> tainted_: lame is cli compressor it does not need plugins
[01:58] <vrta> can someone tell me, if i can set a "timer", that kills an application certain amount of time after its start?
[01:58] <quintin> tainted_: www.google.com ffs
[01:58] <quintin> vrta: man sleep, man kill
[01:59] <swim> anto9us: yah I have
[01:59] <vrta> tnx!
[01:59] <Tonren> nozorro: My hardware....?
[01:59] <quintin> vrta: np
[01:59] <tainted_> quintin gfys
[01:59] <quintin> tainted_: follow the TOC, you POS
[01:59] <tainted_> quiet tmsb
[01:59] <quintin> tainted_: you are askin ga question that wastes people's time here.  You'd be much better served by searching for a guide on google
[01:59] <nozorro> Tonren: or why are you so keen on booting up faster. i mean things are not perfect but i don't have the newest hardware either
[01:59] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: yeah, can lead to overheating if it goes, fans are quite cheap
[01:59] <tainted_> ./ignore quintin
[02:00] <tainted_> oops
[02:00] <vrta> btw: a while ago i was asking about automativ window positioning and starting applications on a predefined workspaces...
[02:00] <vrta> this can be done with devilspie app
[02:00] <quintin> tainted_: I don't like holding people's hands.  You have to help yourself.
[02:00] <vrta> if anyone is interested
[02:00] <vrta> bye
[02:00] <Milktea> What are some good gnome IRC clients
[02:00] <Tonren> nozorro: I'd just like it to boot almost as fast as Windows.  At this point there's about a 3 or 4 minute difference
[02:00] <bruenig> virta, you say that you can start applications on specific workspaces?
[02:01] <erUSUL> Milktea: x-chat period
[02:01] <quintin> Milktea: I prefer irssi, it's a command line program though
[02:01] <vrta> bruenig : yes
[02:01] <Milktea> I don't like x-chat
[02:01] <nullmind> Does anyone know how I can bridge my ethernet to my wireless in Ubuntu?
 wont the machine just switch off if it overheats?? for safetys sake im wondering whether or not i should still be using the comp???....is there anything that can show the different temps
[02:01] <Milktea> I want something like mIRC
[02:01] <bruenig> virta, how?
Naj zanem s tem, da mi beseda "upan" deluje zelo 'ne-slovensko'.<br />
[02:01] <vrta> Resno... u..pan... O_o</p>
Nimam pojma, kdo kandidira na prihajajoih lokalnih volitvah in e sem odkrit, me niti ne zanima, ker mi neka imena ne povejo veliko.<br />
[02:01] <vrta> Dosti raje bi prebral kak spisek predvolilnih obljub zbranih kandidatov.</p>
Nad trenutnim upanom Kamnika nisem ravno navduen, ampak po svoje mu tudi nimam veliko oitati. Vseeno pa me zanima, e obsaja kak bolji kandidat.</p>
[02:01] <vrta> <p align="center"><img src="http://www.miranov.net/vrta/blog/resserver.php?blogId=1&resource=kanta.jpg" style="margin: 5px;" class="res_image" /></p>
[02:01] <Tonren> nozorro: anyway, at this point it's a little faster.  i'm trying to figure out this postfix thing
Po svoje mi je vseeno, kateri stranki pripada kak kandidat. Vseeno mi je tudi, e ima kaka udna naela ali je na splono udak...</p>
... jaz bi volil tistega upana, ki bi po kamniku 'posadil' najve smetnjakov. Ima kdo kak predlog, kako bi mu bilo ime?</p>
[02:01] <bruenig> vrta, stop
[02:01] <vrta> <p align="center">-----</p>
p.s.: Vse feministke naproam, da si besedilo tega posta skopirajo v nek urejevalnik teksta in besedi 'upan' in 'kandidat' zamenjajo z ustreznicami enskega spola. Hvala za razumevanje moje lenobe.</p>
[02:01] <bruenig> !ops
[02:01] <ubotu> Help! lilo, Keybuk, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO or gnomefreak!
[02:01] <vrta> OMG!
[02:01] <vrta> sry :/
[02:01] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: it should, though I've seen a few burned out processors where that hasn't happened
[02:01] <Paddy_EIRE> what happen there
 shit
[02:02] <nozorro> Tonren: postfix isn't in defautl ubuntu install anyway i thought
not good
[02:02] <quintin> Paddy_EIRE: It depends on the cpu, but generally it will just hang or shutdown
[02:02] <gok> somebody can tell where i can find ubuntu compatibliy list ?  i would to buy a pci ide controler !
[02:02] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: keep an eye on it that's all
[02:02] <devilz_> what is difference between ubuntu and kubuntu, i know kde and gnome anything else?
[02:02] <Milktea> I tried l=LostIRC and x-chat already
[02:02] <Milktea> i dont really like them
[02:02] <erUSUL> gok: i found a solution for your problem...
[02:02] <gok> mee to
[02:03] <erUSUL> gok: you have to boot with all-generic-ide boot option
 i will go get new psu and fans in the mourning....is there some sort of app that could show me the different temperatures
[02:03] <gok> erUSUL: i use "instlux"  <= sourceforge project
curious
[02:03] <gok> erUSUL: where i can find this option  ?
[02:03] <agentCy> anybody know how to compile a kernel with hermes?
[02:03] <erUSUL> gok: good
[02:03] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: don't worry about the PSU fan too much, just the processor fan, I don't recommend poking around inside a PSU
[02:04] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: also, some graphics cards have fans on them
im gonna get a new psu
[02:04] <TEN_> apt-cache search vnc   finds a whole lot more than I can reaonably test. Which version of VNC is recommended, that has a stable and lightweight client, and as a server should ideally be able to export (unlike Xvnc AKA vncserver) what is displayed locally on X (e.g. for remote assistance) ?
im usin radeon no fans
[02:04] <TEN_> +s
[02:04] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: I feel like I've scared you into spending lots of money
 no im buying lots this last while so as to maintain this ubuntu box i love it so much
[02:05] <TEN_> anto9us It's called upselling and one usually gets a raise for it ;-)
[02:06] <anto9us> TEN_: yeah, :)
[02:06] <gok> erUSUL: i go to test this option now !
[02:06] <Paddy_EIRE> can anyone recommend a good gui dvd ripper similar to dvd shrink i find dvd::rip to be confusing
[02:07] <Tonren> Can anyone explain why I have to run dhclient eth0 once i log in  now, instead of having it automatically do that?
[02:07] <viator> !xgl
[02:07] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:07] <erUSUL> gok: with the alternate cd at the boot: promt that you see type all-generic-ide and hit enter
[02:08] <nozorro> Tonren: did you just remove the postfix link or the program too?
 the buzzing is almost constant now I must get this sorted in the mourning
[02:09] <Tonren> nozorro: The program
[02:09] <Tonren> nozorro: I don't think that my automatic configuration problem has anything to do with postfix, though
[02:09] <nozorro> Tonren: why is it installed anyway, postfix i mean
[02:09] <Tonren> nozorro: I have no idea.  I certainly didn't install it.
[02:09] <jared777> Is there a plugin for Firefox to trick web pages inot thinking your using IE?
[02:10] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: would be good to identify what specifically is causing it
[02:10] <Tonren> jared777: You might be able to use the Web Developer extension to change your client header
[02:10] <brendonjt> jared777:yip there sure is
[02:10] <nozorro> Tonren: try going to runlevel 1 and then back to runlevel 2
 there is one if u use windows , although u can try MSIE 6.0 by IEs4Linux
[02:10] <Flannel> jared777: there's a user agent switcher plugin
[02:10] <Tonren> nozorro: I don't know how to do that.
[02:11] <swim> has anyone used virgoftp? I cant figure out how to chmod with this thing!
[02:11] <jared777> I used to have a plugin for it before but i can't find it anymore it was used in windows though
[02:11] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: sorry if this sounds silly, is it still there when cut power to your speakers?
 yeah thats what is bugging me is there a good way of doing this without frying myself
[02:11] <nozorro> Tonren: well, is postfix running still on your machine?
 yep
[02:11] <Paddy_EIRE> lol
[02:11] <Tonren> nozorro: Err.. no, I removed the package.  I mean... I guess it could still be running in memory.
[02:11] <nozorro> Tonren: yes indeed
[02:12] <Flannel> jared777: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/59/
[02:12] <Tonren> nozorro: Well, it probably won't be running the next time I reboot since I removed it.  Anyway, I'm trying to figure out this automatic configuration thing, now
 IE tab not for linux
[02:12] <Flannel> Paddy_EIRE: he wanted something to make the server think he was using IE
[02:13] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: touch the very centre of the processor fan (not PSU fan!) just for a second and see if the noise goes, careful of the fan wings though, they can give a little nick and can make you jump a bit
[02:13] <nozorro> Tonren: i'm still wondering why your bootup is so long. what is your hardware? maybe we can pin it down (on the software side)
[02:13] <jbroome> Flannel: user-agent switcher for FF
oh my mistake sry
[02:13] <DigitalNinja> How do I move/rename a file with a "-" in it?
[02:13] <Flannel> jbroome: right, thats the link I gave
[02:13] <Tonren> nozorro: I'm on a Compaq Presario v2565us.  It has a variable-speed AMD Turion 64 1.8GHz processor and 768 megs of RAM.  Integrated ATI Radeon Xpress200M graphics.
[02:13] <drezha> Is there a way in Samba I can have a combo of windows type sharing and logging on sharing?
[02:13] <jwl007|wed_stuff> ahh 27 days til the wedding
[02:13] <Tonren> nozorro: How long is your bootup?
[02:13] <jbroome> doh, sorry.  just came in
[02:13] <Flannel> DigitalNinja: just type the -
[02:14] <DigitalNinja> It's not working
[02:14] <jrib> DigitalNinja: is it the first character?
[02:14] <nozorro> Tonren: about 1min 10 sec or so (rough guess), with a 1Ghz Athlon and 256 MB Ram
[02:14] <Flannel> DigitalNinja: might be something else, you can always tab complete, that'll escape anything needed
[02:14] <devilz_> how good pc do you need to have that xgl works on your linux?
[02:14] <Tonren> nozorro: Huh.  Mine's definitely like two minutes, BARE minimum.
[02:15] <jbroome> i just try not to reboot. :)
k iwill have to do this in the mourning though as my family will kill me if i keep them up with bang crash wollop again ...lol
[02:15] <Tonren> nozorro: Is there a disk defrag utility for linux, or does ext3 not need that?
[02:15] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: hehe
[02:15] <jbroome> Tonren: don't need it
[02:15] <Flannel> Tonren: nope
[02:15] <Paddy_EIRE> does not need defrag
[02:15] <Tonren> swanky
[02:15] <DigitalNinja> jrib: No.  "something - something something something"
[02:15] <TylerDurdener> how can i tell the Select Custom Icon window to show hidden directories?
[02:15] <Tonren> DigitalNinja: You shouldn't need to escape the - at all.
[02:15] <nozorro> Tonren: until recently i run on an athlon 600 Mhz, it booted faster than your's, seriously. defrag, forget it. not needed at all.
[02:15] <Flannel> DigitalNinja: you need to escape the spaces
 right click any folder and choose show hidden
[02:16] <TylerDurdener> thanks Paddy_EIRE
[02:16] <Paddy_EIRE> while ion the cutom icon dialoque
[02:16] <qch> can i compile gnome 2.16 and run it without messing up gnome 2.14 on my computer?
[02:16] <viator> you can stop some services
[02:16] <nozorro> Tonren: you are using ubuntu 6.06?
[02:16] <weed_> alguem ae sabe como adicionar no menu de aplicaes, um launcher pro aterm? eu baixei ele via apt-get mais nao sei onde os arquivos ficam guardados :/
[02:16] <viator> and modules
[02:16] <Flannel> !es
[02:16] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:16] <viator> from loading at start
[02:16] <Tonren> TylerDurdener: Right click in the file selector field
[02:16] <viator> if you dont need them
[02:16] <anto9us> qch: don't wish to sound rude but if you have to ask that question, probably not :)
[02:16] <Tonren> nozorro: Aye.
[02:16] <DigitalNinja> Flannel: How do I do that?
 i will do just as you say though...it feals terrible i keep saying there there...lol
[02:17] <Flannel> DigitalNinja: \  if you just type and let bash tab complete for you, it'll escape stuff
[02:17] <viator> you can have multiple kernels
[02:17] <viator> yes
[02:17] <nozorro> Tonren: where does the bootpu process take most of the time?
[02:17] <DigitalNinja> Flannel: It's not doing it for me
[02:17] <nozorro> *bootup
[02:17] <qch> anto9us: well, i was thinking of compiling and installing to some place like /opt
[02:17] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: all hardware dies at some point, don't get to sentimental about it, and make regular backups ;)
[02:17] <Tonren> nozorro: You know, that's a good question, and I feel stupid because I've never actually paid attention to which one takes the longest.
[02:17] <eugman> Are Juno and Ubuntu compatible?
[02:17] <Flannel> DigitalNinja: it's case sensitive, so if you start off "Som" instead of "something" you won't get it
[02:18] <nozorro> Tonren: but that would be the first step if you're trying to remove services
[02:18] <jrib> qch: in theory it is possible look at the jhbuild docs in the gnome wiki
[02:18] <Tonren> nozorro: I increased the speed pretty well by removing those 4 or 5
[02:18] <Tonren> I'll bet KDM was taking up a lot of time
[02:18] <nozorro> Tonren: that's what the bootup mesgs. are for (among other things)
[02:18] !lilo:*! Hi all. Services going down briefly in a moment. Apologies for the inconvenience, and thank you for your patience!
[02:18] <anto9us> qch: there's a lot of information on the gnome website on how you might acheive what you want, it's heavy and advanced stuff though
 had to contact Targa via email lost the power cable to my 250 gig external drive :( really hope they can sort me out
[02:19] <nozorro> Tonren: it takes too long on your machine. or maybe it's a harddisk thing
[02:19] <Tonren> nozorro: Hmm... I' mnot sure.  I'll have to pay attention the next time I boot
[02:19] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: if you know the required voltage, ampage and polarity, you may have another power supply to match, I have a couple of switchable ones for such situations
[02:20] <DigitalNinja> Flannel: I got it fixed. Had to nfs mount the sare from my file server. Then I was able to rename the file in gnome
[02:20] <qch> anto9us: i'll look into it some more, thanks though :)
[02:20] <nozorro> Tonren: you said you're using ubuntu, now you're saying KDM might be the culprit?
[02:20] <drezha> Is there a way in Samba I can have a combo of windows type sharing and logging on sharing?
[02:20] <Tonren> nozorro: I tried to install kubuntu-desktop and never actually uninstalled KDM
the connector on the external drive is weird lookin it almost looks just like a keyboard connector
[02:21] <Paddy_EIRE> never seen it before
[02:21] <Tonren> nozorro: I've tried to install kubuntu four times, and every time, it has broken everything
[02:21] <nozorro> Tonren: the question is whether you *use* KDM or GDM
[02:21] <fishy> if I buy a wireless mouse, will it work with ubuntu?
[02:21] <eugman> Hey, how do I manage users in the command line?
[02:21] <jrib> fishy: mine does, mx1000
[02:21] <Tonren> nozorro: Oh, I use GDM, but it seemed like KDM was starting too
[02:21] <nozorro> Tonren: hardly
[02:21] <fishy> jrib: http://www.storefrontdesigner.com/users/ThriftyComputer/index.asp?itemid=278
[02:21] <jrib> eugman: manage in what way?  adduser to add users
[02:21] <Tonren> nozorro: Hmm, weird
[02:21] <fishy> jrib: Would that one, you think?
[02:22] <eugman> jrib, what about privileges?
[02:22] <drezha> fishy Using a MS Wirless multimedia keyboard/optical mouse 2 bundle and thats fine
[02:22] <Tonren> gotta run.. adios, guys
[02:22] <nozorro> Tonren: my suspicions are on dhcp and hard disk
[02:22] <jrib> fishy: probably, check the forums to see if there are any other users with it
[02:22] <exs> hello. does ubuntu have "beagle" search?
[02:22] <jrib> eugman: what kind of privileges?
[02:22] !lilo:*! all done, thanks for your help
[02:22] <exs> I'm using ubuntu now, and I know it has a search, but is the search beagle?
 and i really want to back up as i love how well its runnin at the mo
[02:23] <eugman> Actually, all that mainly matters is whether they are in the sudoers file, right?
[02:23] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: dvd not an option?
[02:23] <jrib> exs: you can install beagle
[02:23] !lilo:*! to anyone who couldn't get in for a few moments: we were doing brief maintenance on services; apologies for the inconvenience!
[02:23] <eugman> To distinguish between admins and regular users right?
[02:23] <exs> jrib:  ok.. is it in synaptic?
[02:23] <jrib> !info beagle
[02:23] <ubotu> beagle: indexing and search tool for your personal data. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.6-1ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 1208 kB, installed size 3992 kB
 yeah, i am thinking maybe ill get a pack while out tomorrow
[02:23] <jrib> exs: yes, just make sure you have enabled the universe repository
[02:24] <exs> jrib:  yep.. cheers
[02:24] <T8y8> Hey. I've been using Ubuntu for about 2 months; today I found a tip on the forum to enable 'profile' in boot, to update the boot profile, however, after doing that, I can no longer boot
[02:24] <jrib> eugman: well adduser lets you add users to groups as well.  Any user in the "admin" group gets sudo privileges
[02:24] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: I use a utility called dar, it will compress and slice up the backup files to fit on cd or dvd or whatever
[02:24] <eugman> Ah, ok thanks.
[02:24] <Flamekebab> quick question - I'm running a Sempron 2800 with 1280MB of RAM - how big should my swapfile be, ideally?
[02:24] <knix_> does anyone know when gnome 2.16 will be in dapper?
then i could use dar again afterwards to restore?
[02:24] <T8y8> 128 or 1280? Either way, I run a gig swap
[02:24] <minerale> hah, that was the greatest funny cartoon: --- Guy: make me a sandwitch.  Girl: make it yourself .  Guy: SUDO make me a sandwitch, Girl: OK
[02:24] <jrib> knix_: never
[02:25] <knix_> =-o
[02:25] <T8y8> Ubuntu releases on the gnome release cycle
 can i do "sudo apt-get install dar" ??
[02:25] <viator> 512 mb is fine
[02:25] <knix_> ah
[02:25] <jrib> knix_: it should be in edgy (next release)
[02:25] <T8y8> Any idea for my situation?
[02:25] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: yes and I recommend you go through the process at least once with a test file, a backup is only ever as good as a proven restore
yeah i agree
[02:25] <drezha> minerale - XVCD webcomic? thats great :D
[02:25] <viator> theres suppoesd to be a new backup feature in edgy using dar
[02:25] <mike8901_> does anyone know why qmake says no option -config?
[02:25] <viator> as a backend i guess
[02:26] <knix_> jrib: how stable is edgy?
[02:26] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: yes, that will install it
[02:26] <Flamekebab> 1280
[02:26] <nozorro> mike8901_: could be --config
[02:26] <mike8901_> hm
[02:26] <soccio> Hi, guys
[02:26] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: there's a not too bad KDE frontend to it called kdar
[02:26] <soccio> Hi, girls
[02:26] <jrib> knix_: I haven't upgraded yet, although I will be burning a live cd soon to check it out and consider doing so soon.  The people in #ubuntu+1 might know more
 is there a wiki on backing up as im unsure what i should be going for , i think the "/etc"  directory and my home dir but what else
[02:27] <dtriscuit> how do I add something to my path so I can run it from anywhere? I just compiled my first program from source and I'd like to be able to use it without the full path.
[02:27] <Flamekebab> T8y8, 1280MB, it wasn't a typo
[02:27] <soccio> I need to translate a simple txt file. Is there any software in Ubuntu that could help me?
can it still be used in gnome
[02:27] <T8y8> You probably don't need a swap then :P
[02:27] <jrib> dtriscuit: you could just put a symlink in /usr/local/bin
[02:27] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: /var can be handy, mostly if you run servers of any kind though, web or email for example
[02:27] <Paddy_EIRE> k
[02:27] <viator> i nice backup feature would be to make a disk image or installable iso of your current snapshot
[02:27] <viator> ya think
[02:27] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: yes, KDE apps will work in gnome
 yeah i would love that
[02:28] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: /var/log, /etc, several other /var/directories, depending on your needs. self-compiled sw in /usr/local
[02:28] <Flamekebab> so, again, suggestions for swapfile size, when my system already has 1280MB of RAM
gonna backup everything i think
[02:28] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: no no no
[02:29] <Paddy_EIRE> ?
[02:29] <T8y8> fsck hangs at Phase 3 - duplicate block rescan and directory connectedess
[02:29] <anto9us> Flamekebab: about twice your ram isn't a bad rule of thumb
[02:29] <viator> 512 to 1 gb
[02:29] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: you have an install cd?
[02:29] <viator> is what i use
[02:29] <drezha> dtriscuit - Righting a shell script is how I did it. And then put launcher's on the desktop bars
yes
[02:29] <viator> but most my systems are 512
[02:29] <Flamekebab> anto9us, it wasn't a bad rule five years ago, back when 128MB of RAM was common
[02:29] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: and broadband internet?
[02:29] <viator> or less
 yes
[02:29] <Flamekebab> somehow, 2.5GB of swap seems a tad excessive to me
[02:29] <T8y8> Agreed
[02:29] <anto9us> Flamekebab: suspend to HD I think uses the swapfile
[02:29] <Flamekebab> especially when this laptop's hard disk is merely 40GB
[02:30] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: then you don't have to have backups of programs
[02:30] <Flamekebab> anto9us, suspend doesn't work on this laptop anyway
 i heard of get and set although i never got it that day
[02:30] <anto9us> Flamekebab: it might in a few months, you never know :)
 i will note them now
[02:31] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: get and set?
[02:31] <Flamekebab> anto9us, by that time I'll probably have broken this install and be reformatting anyway!
[02:31] <T8y8> Anyone have an idea? I'd really not like to take the windows route and reinstall
[02:31] <BMWodarski> hello all
[02:31] <anto9us> Flamekebab: I agree, it does seem a large chunk, maybe you should just equal your ram
[02:31] <Flamekebab> T8y8, what was the question?
[02:31] <ComputinChuck> hello everyone
[02:31] <BMWodarski> sup chuck
[02:32] <T8y8> I tried to update the boot profile, and now it won't boot into ubuntu
[02:32] <T8y8> hangs on phase 3 of fsck
[02:32] <ComputinChuck> is there a place that documents how all the interal ubuntu stuff works?
[02:32] <ComputinChuck> i.e. how hal in ubuntu does its thing
[02:32] <Flamekebab> anto9us, I was thinking perhaps somewhere in the region of 600MB, but I'm not sure whether that is too little
 yeah dpkg -set--selections >myprogs and dpkg -set--selections
[02:32] <Paddy_EIRE> or somethin
[02:32] <Paddy_EIRE> must get the proper way to do it
[02:32] <nozorro> ComputinChuck: yes, the internet :-)
[02:32] <Flamekebab> ComputinChuck, how ubuntu works? Like, ALL of it?
[02:32] <weed_> does anyone her euses dc++ ?
[02:32] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, yea
[02:32] <knix_> jrib: thanks =)
[02:33] <anto9us> Flamekebab: it's not too difficult to resize if you find it isn't
[02:33] <Flamekebab> ComputinChuck, are you new to this?
[02:33] <ComputinChuck> no
[02:33] <Flamekebab> fair enough then
[02:33] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: ah set, you restore your previous package selections. but that doesn't make backups
[02:33] <Flamekebab> I'll leave you be
[02:33] <ComputinChuck> i've been at linux for about 4 years
[02:33] <Flamekebab> it just seemed a rather monumental question!
[02:33] <ComputinChuck> yea
yeah i know i wish it would
[02:33] <ComputinChuck> it is
[02:33] <ComputinChuck> hehe
[02:33] <Flamekebab> well, by the sounds of it you're ready to handle it
[02:33] <ComputinChuck> i'm not very good at ubuntu though
[02:33] <Flamekebab> I almost thought you were fresh out of Windows and curious!
[02:33] <ComputinChuck> i've been using debian/ubuntu for umm...3-4 days
[02:34] <T8y8> *sigh* I'll just whip out the install disk :(
[02:34] <ComputinChuck> i'm a slackware user myself
[02:34] <Flamekebab> Debian-based distros = love
[02:34] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, hehe, not quite
[02:34] <ComputinChuck> hmm
[02:34] <BMWodarski> prior to ubuntu i was gentoo
[02:34] <Flamekebab> I was running Fedora on a server in our office
[02:34] <Flamekebab> but it was a pain in the ass
[02:34] <Paddy_EIRE> was Mandrake
[02:34] <BMWodarski> but then I decided gentoo on a laptop was way the hell to hard
[02:34] <ComputinChuck> i started on redhat 8
[02:34] <ComputinChuck> mandrake, slackware...
[02:34] <ComputinChuck> i've used so many..
[02:34] <Flamekebab> I think I started on RH 7.2
[02:35] <Flamekebab> but I didn't get it working, so gave up on Linux for a year or so
[02:35] <musafir> mandrake, mandriva, suse
[02:35] <viator> my linux  went from mandrake>debian>libranet>ubuntu
[02:35] <ComputinChuck> anyway, is there like a developers guide or the equivalent that talks about how ubuntu really works?
[02:35] <Flamekebab> then tried again with Suse
[02:35] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: i dunno right now, not sure you really need this. but do a search on google, it's surely documented somewhere
[02:35] <BMWodarski> I think I have my bought red hat 6.0 cd's sitting around here somewhere (I was on dial up)
[02:35] <ComputinChuck> hehe
[02:35] <ComputinChuck> i have my 8's
[02:35] <ComputinChuck> back at home
yeah i just want all the progs with configs that i have now but maybe thats askin to much
[02:36] <Flamekebab> I'm so torn as to how big to make my swapfile
[02:36] <Flamekebab> it used to be easy..
[02:36] <Flamekebab> *cries*
[02:36] <weed_> does anyone her euses dc++ ?
[02:36] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, they say twice your ram up to 2GB
 just make it half your ram
[02:36] <ComputinChuck> but i have 1Gb and 512Mb swap
[02:36] <BMWodarski> I happend to come across ubuntu in a linux mag and loved it
[02:36] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: the progs or the info about which are installed. in the former case, you'd just have to back up your entire hard disk
[02:36] <Flamekebab> ComputinChuck, my laptop has 1280MB
[02:36] <BMWodarski> I use dc__ at quake con
[02:37] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, ok, i'd do 512 or something
 i suppose
[02:37] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, i don't swap hardly at all
[02:37] <ComputinChuck> at 1GB
[02:37] <BMWodarski> for me swap=ram
[02:37] <Flamekebab> 512? Or perhaps 400?
[02:37] <Flamekebab> I can't imagine I'd need that much really
 well im enjoying the experiences with each re-install :),.... although i wish to learn to make an almost clone of previous setup
[02:37] <ComputinChuck> BMWodarski, how much ram do you have?
[02:38] <BMWodarski> 1gb
[02:38] <SeNtiX> is it possible to restrict a user to view only his own processes?
[02:38] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, yea, like i said, i've never had more than 20Mb filled in my swap and i don't know why that 20 got filled
[02:38] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: 'dpkg get-selections > myselections' stores the package info in the file myselections ...
[02:38] <sethk> SeNtiX, answer isn't going to change, no matter how many times you ask.  I already told you how that can be done.
[02:38] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: take a note of that
yeah thats it
[02:39] <SeNtiX> nah i found something sethk
[02:39] <SeNtiX> grsecurity
[02:39] <SeNtiX> but i'm looking maybe somebody knows another way
[02:39] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: and then, after reinstalling:
[02:39] <Flamekebab> ComputinChuck, everyone else, should I go with Ext3 as I normally do, or does anyone recommend one of the other FSs?
[02:39] <sethk> SeNtiX,that's just a word.  perhaps it does what I said, perhaps not, but it doesn't change my answer.
[02:39] <SeNtiX> before i go patching my kernel
[02:39] <sethk> SeNtiX, why would you patch the kernel?
[02:39] <SeNtiX> www.grsecurity.com
[02:39] <sethk> SeNtiX, if that's what you found, it's dumb.
[02:39] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, I uses reiser myself.  lots of benchmarks report reiser as very fast, stable all that
[02:40] <ComputinChuck> it's been around a while now
[02:40] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: 'dpkg -set-selections < myselections' restores the package info
[02:40] <Flamekebab> well, I am installing edgy, so I might as well try something edgy
[02:40] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, if you really need the journaling, you'd probably better stay with ext3
[02:40] <hantoo> i dont see the need of me using reiser, so i sticked with ext3
[02:40] <sethk> Flamekebab, there are reported problems with reiser
[02:40] <hantoo> :)
[02:40] <Flamekebab> hmm
[02:40] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: no, dpkg --set ...... not the double-dash
[02:40] <viator> resizerfs is fine nowdays
[02:40] <ComputinChuck> sethk, i've never had a problem with reiser
[02:40] <sethk> reiser advocates say they've been fixed in v4.  but they said that about v3, and before that about v2
[02:40] <viator> unless you want windows to talk to it
[02:41] <ComputinChuck> i've even used reiser4 without a problem
[02:41] <sethk> ComputinChuck, they are infrequent, but that doesn't mean they don't exist
[02:41] <BMWodarski> i've always used ext
 say after i do "get-selections" and one of the packages or more have since been upgraded on the repos will "set selections2 know to pull down the newer ones ???
[02:41] <ComputinChuck> sethk, true
[02:41] <viator> then you should use ext3
[02:41] <sethk> ComputinChuck, reiser4 is better, but all reports
[02:41] <sethk> by all reports, that is
[02:41] <Flamekebab> what about JFS and XFS?
[02:41] <ComputinChuck> sethk, i wish i could get my root fs on it, but none of the installers support it yet...
[02:42] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, XFS is about as fast as reiser, but it's meant more for large files
[02:42] <luisbg> my grub isn't reading the menu.lst, I erased half of the options in the menu.lst and when I reboot grub still shows them as before the edit, very weird
[02:42] <ComputinChuck> it's tweaked more for large file operations
[02:42] <sethk> ComputinChuck, you can do that, but most of the problems I've dealt with are related to using reiserfs as the root partition.
[02:42] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE:  it --get-selections -- newer versions will get onto your systems when you run the package handling app, which ever it is
[02:42] <ComputinChuck> sethk, that's what i've done for a while now...
[02:42] <Flamekebab> any idea when Ext4 is coming?
[02:42] <ComputinChuck> sethk, i think my ubuntu rootfs is actually on ext3 right now..
 jeeze, I love Ubuntu/Linux
[02:43] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: i mistyped a lil bit, look up 'man dpkg' to be sure
[02:43] <sethk> ComputinChuck, the other problem with reiser is that the claims about performance do not prove out in typical file systems, and reiser performance degrades over time.
 nice one
[02:43] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: ... of the correct syntax
[02:43] <ComputinChuck> sethk, typical file systems, what do you mean by that?
[02:44] <ComputinChuck> sethk, how does reiser degrade?
[02:44] <javiolo> just installed enlightenment 0.16 how can I have access to my apps menu ?
yes...aint used win in along time and dont plan to either couldnt be happier with ubuntu
[02:44] <threeseas> seems linuxcnc likes ubuntu
[02:44] <Flamekebab> ubuntu is lovely
[02:44] <asonjay99> how do i change the font color of the aplication font
[02:44] <Flamekebab> our company uses it on two desktops and a server
[02:44] <Flamekebab> along with my personal two laptops
[02:45] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, i'd have to agree...but it seems a little sluggish compared to my slackware system...
[02:45] <phaedrus44> i got my razr v3 plugged in to this puter...now what?
i may even get a testing comp together out of the rubble of other comps about me to try out opensuse ppl sya its not bad
[02:45] <ComputinChuck> but i like how things just work out of the box
[02:45] <Flamekebab> asonjay99, in normal Ubuntu, under gnome?
[02:45] <sethk> ComputinChuck, by typical I mean with a variety of file sizes and types.
[02:45] <viator> id like a nice 10X10 ubuntu sticker for the back of my laptop
[02:45] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: yeah. -- anyway i think keeping the package selection for the next reinstall is a bit of overkill, but that's just me. most reinstalls are upgrades anyway
[02:45] <viator> thatd be cool'
[02:45] <Flamekebab> viator - is that ten centimetres or inches?
[02:45] <sethk> ComputinChuck, the degrading that has been reported has to do, I believe, with increasing fragmentation over time.
[02:45] <asonjay99> flamekebab, yup
[02:45] <viator> inches
[02:45] <viator> lol
[02:45] <Flamekebab> asonjay99, which app?
[02:45] <ComputinChuck> sethk, ah ok
[02:45] <Flamekebab> viator, why lol?
[02:46] <BMWodarski> well i'm headed out i've gotta help a friend with his setup
[02:46] <ComputinChuck> sethk, i haven't seen a defragmenting program for any linux fs
[02:46] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: and with upgrades the selection technique will fail
[02:46] <viator> sorry most americans dont use metric
[02:46] <viator> well
[02:46] <Flamekebab> viator, I have an 18cm long Ubuntu sticker on this laptop
[02:46] <viator> not that often anyway
[02:46] <BMWodarski> oh one question I wanted to ask
[02:46] <asonjay99> flamekebab the top bar things....
[02:46] <Flamekebab> and viator, how was I to know you were from the US?
 so you recommend from scratch almost after reinstall
[02:46] <Flamekebab> asonjay99, try going into System->Preferences->Font
[02:46] <wira1_8>
[02:47] <viator>  /whois?
[02:47] <viator> dunno
[02:47] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: yes, but not of course if you have many machines to administer
[02:47] <Flamekebab> lol
[02:47] <asonjay99> flamekebob, tryed but there is not thing for font color
[02:47] <Flamekebab> hmm
[02:47] <sethk> ComputinChuck, true, but the other file systems do not suffer from fragmentation
[02:47] <Flamekebab> in that case, I'll pass to someone else
[02:47] <BMWodarski> does anyone know of a way to use a windows mobile device on ubuntu
[02:47] <ComputinChuck> sethk, how do they manage that?
[02:47] <Flamekebab> I wonder if there's anyone with a Ubuntu tattoo
[02:48] <Flamekebab> "Ubuntu 4 life"..
[02:48] <asonjay99> i want to get one of those
yeah, nice one mate Im gonna read the wiki for backup techniques also cheers anyway
[02:48] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, i don't doubt it...someone out there's gotta be hard-core enough
[02:48] <sethk> ComputinChuck, by using algorithms that, essentially, defrag on the fly as files are created, expanded, contracted, deleted, etc.
[02:48] <viator> heheh
[02:48] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: have a look at rdiff and rsync
[02:48] <ComputinChuck> ah ok
[02:48] <BMWodarski> nothing?
[02:48] <Flamekebab> Ubuntu is probably the distro I feel most pasionate about
[02:48] <fishy> I might be buying a wireless mouse ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009N7OL6/ref=olp_product_details/102-8360799-5983319?ie=UTF8 ) but it requires drivers - will I need the drivers, and if I do, do you think I can use the mouse with Ubuntu?
[02:48] <viator> no defraging
[02:48] <Flamekebab> it feels like it's actually going somewhere
[02:48] <viator> its how they place the files
[02:49] <Flamekebab> ooh! ooh! me! me! I have a question about file systems!
[02:49] <nozorro> Paddy_EIRE: rdiff-backup i wanted to say
[02:49] <sethk> Flamekebab, are you going to tell us the question, or just tell us that you have one?   :)
[02:49] <Flamekebab> sorry, I was checking fishy's link
[02:49] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: dar supports differential backups
gonna try kdar now i did "sudo apt-get install dar kdar"
[02:50] <sethk> Flamekebab, anyway, whatever the question is, the answer is maybe  :)
[02:50] <Flamekebab> I have a 400GB external hard disk, FAT32 - will it fragment with use under Linux? If so, how do I defrag it?
[02:50] <fishy> Do you think they have Ubuntu ported drivers for that mouse?
[02:50] <corfe> I'm a debian unstable user, thinking of switching to Ubuntu. Does Ubuntu have something like this "unstable" version, which updates multiple packages per day?
[02:50] <viator> want to know whay it doesnt need defragging
[02:50] <Flamekebab> fishy, I can't imagine there'd be any problems with it, although I'd rather someone else backed me up on that
[02:50] <viator> http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/index.php/2006/08/17/why_doesn_t_linux_need_defragmenting
[02:50] <viator> go there
[02:50] <Flamekebab> viator, I've read it
[02:50] <sethk> fishy, mouse drivers are part of xorg.  go to the xorg site to find out.
[02:50] <corfe> also, how often does the normal version of ubuntu update packages?
[02:51] <viator> it puts it in lamans terms
[02:51] <Flamekebab> but I wondered whether it depends on the filesystem, or the way linux writes to disks
[02:51] <ComputinChuck> does anyone know if there is an in-depth guide to the innerworkings of ubuntu anywhere?
[02:51] <sethk> corfe, it checks periodically, but it doesn't update until you tell it to.
how would i go about getting all the help files for kde based apps
[02:51] <Flamekebab> for example, I understand how I don't need to defrag my laptop's hard disk, which is Ext3
[02:51] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: http://dar.linux.free.fr/ has lots of documentation and scripts
[02:51] <Flamekebab> but what of the FAT32 disk?
[02:51] <viator> with ASCII pictures!
[02:51] <Flamekebab> viator, I've read the bloody article! *laughs*
[02:51] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: I guess most of them are installed alongside the apps
[02:52] <sethk> Flamekebab, vfat, aka fat32, does suffer from fragmentation.  The assumption is that you'll defrag it in windows
[02:52] <viator> :P
[02:52] <asonjay99> so...can anyone help me with my font color torubles?
[02:52] <luisbg> can I use lilo instead of grub in ubuntu?
i wish the amarok manual was there but it aint
[02:52] <corfe> sethk: I mean, if I want to update every day, will I find on average 0, 1, 5, or 30 packages to update per day?
[02:52] <sethk> Flamekebab, the assumption is, if you don't run windows, you won't use vfat as it's inferior in many ways.
[02:52] <fishy> sethk: There isn't much on x.org. :-\
[02:52] <nozorro> ComputinChuck: basically, the source code. especially the ubuntu source packages. and the developer's mailing lists. and so on
[02:52] <Flamekebab> sethk, that's a bit of an annoying assumption
[02:52] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: it may be in the generic KDE helpfile
[02:52] <sethk> corfe, that's difficult to answer because the number of updates is high after a new release and then trends down towards the end of a release's life
[02:52] <ComputinChuck> nozorro, alright, sounds like a crazy job to figure this system out...
[02:52] <Flamekebab> I'll not be using Windows PCs in uni, at least not in my room
 where is that to be found??
[02:52] <corfe> alright
[02:53] <sethk> Flamekebab, I'm just reporting, not defending  :)
[02:53] <Flamekebab> both laptops run linux
[02:53] <Flamekebab> but this hard disk is FAT32
[02:53] <Flamekebab> and I plan on keeping it that way
[02:53] <Flamekebab> because it ensures cross-compatability
[02:53] <Flamekebab> but how do I defrag the silly thing?
[02:53] <nozorro> ComputinChuck: maybe, but the inner workings is not what you need maybe :-)
[02:53] <javiolo> just installed enlightenment 0.16 how can I have access to my apps menu ?
[02:53] <anto9us> Paddy_EIRE: I've no idea, I rarely use any KDE apps
[02:53] <sethk> Flamekebab, the consequences of fragmentation are not really all that dramatic.  don't worry about it unless you actually notice that the performance has changed.
 ill fiqure this out im sure of it anyway, later
[02:54] <nozorro> Flamekebab: you could use windows then to defrag
[02:54] <ComputinChuck> nozorro, i'd really like to know how the big distros accomplish some of the more complicated things that people kind of take for granted
[02:54] <Paddy_EIRE> later guys cheers for the help
[02:54] <Flamekebab> cheerio Paddy_EIRE
[02:54] <viator> there is a linux tool to defrag thos fat partions
[02:54] <ComputinChuck> nozorro, like volume automounting and so on
[02:54] <fishy> sethk: I can't find mouse drivers on x.org - are there any linux mouse driver sites?
[02:54] <Flamekebab> viator, that's what I like to hear!
[02:54] <sethk> ComputinChuck, it's mostly an incorrect assumption that things are distro specific.  There are details, of course, but the principle things are the same across distros
[02:54] <ComputinChuck> nozorro, i'im having a bad time finding good documentation for these kinds of "under the hood" things
[02:55] <ComputinChuck> sethk, yea, i know, but i haven't found any distro that documents those things very well
[02:55] <sethk> fishy, there must be, since there are drivers for a few things, touchpads, tablets, etc.
[02:55] <Flamekebab> I wonder whether that's a deliberate spelling mistake..
[02:55] <viator> ComputinChuck look towards debian for that
[02:55] <Flamekebab> surely it should be "PathogenX" ?
[02:55] <sethk> ComputinChuck, that's largely true.
[02:55] <nozorro> ComputinChuck: if it doesn't work, ask a specific question here on in the forums, or file a bug report. but ubuntu isn't a top-down organisation like , say, Microsoft
[02:55] <sethk> ComputinChuck, I've not seen a comprehensive one that is accurate.  Maybe you can start one.
[02:55] <fishy> sethk: I can't find a "drivers" page.
[02:55] <Captain_Redbeard> This might not be the righ tplace to ask, but does anybody have experience with WoW under wine?
[02:55] <ComputinChuck> sethk, i really like the splashscreens and so on, but no one talks about how they did it
[02:55] <administrator> ComputinChuck: did you check the wine appdb?
[02:56] <administrator> Captain_Redbeard: *
[02:56] <ComputinChuck> sethk, i'd love to start one, but i don't know how to start.  i dont' really know how to do these things either!
[02:56] <viator> ComputinChuck that stuff can be found on the forums and some on wiki
[02:56] <Captain_Redbeard> Hehe, I even used to work for Blizzard ;)
[02:56] <fishy> sethk: I also can't figure out what this mouse is called: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009N7OL6/ref=olp_product_details/102-8360799-5983319?ie=UTF8 :: it says "cordless mini optical mouse," but doesn't logitech give its mice names like "mx100," etc.
[02:56] <administrator> Captain_Redbeard: http://appdb.winehq.org << did you look there?
[02:56] <Flamekebab> I got my name from Starcraft
[02:56] <fishy> ?
[02:56] <sethk> fishy, let me look at the url
[02:57] <Flamekebab> fishy, Logitech do both
[02:57] <Flamekebab> I have an MX700
[02:57] <Flamekebab> BUT
[02:57] <sethk> fishy, I use two different cordless logitech mice in linux without special drivers
[02:57] <Captain_Redbeard> administrator: yeah, I'ts booting and all, it's just that it freezes and gives me a black screen directly after logging in
[02:57] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, the bluetooth one?
[02:57] <Flamekebab> ComputinChuck, nope
[02:57] <Flamekebab> but wireless
[02:57] <ComputinChuck> ah
[02:57] <ComputinChuck> yea
[02:57] <Flamekebab> doesn't use BT
[02:57] <ComputinChuck> the BT is MX900
[02:57] <Flamekebab> I'm not a big fan of BT
[02:57] <ComputinChuck> i'm looking at that one
[02:57] <ComputinChuck> i have a BT adapter in my laptop
[02:57] <ComputinChuck> but nothing to use it with
[02:57] <Flamekebab> I paid 40 for that mouse
[02:57] <sethk> Captain_Redbeard, you can certainly ask here, but a wine specific site is probably a better bet for finding an answer
[02:57] <Flamekebab> worth every penny
[02:57] <fishy> sethk: Then I'll go ahead and buy it, I think it will work.
[02:57] <ComputinChuck> ouch
[02:58] <Flamekebab> nah, it was well worth it
[02:58] <ComputinChuck> yea
[02:58] <Flamekebab> it's a wonderful mouse
[02:58] <sethk> fishy, I'll look at the url, see if it's one of the ones I use, if you can wait a moment.
[02:58] <Flamekebab> I've had it for years
[02:58] <ComputinChuck> lots of people say great things about that one
[02:58] <Flamekebab> other mice have come and gone
[02:58] <Wicked_> someone, I have a problem with dual screens, everything is centered, so it makes it really weird due to the break between my monitors, anyone know how to fix that? I used this HowTo
[02:58] <Wicked_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[02:58] <Captain_Redbeard> sethk: Yea I know... just thought I'd try here since it could have something to do with the ubuntu package
[02:58] <Flamekebab> "but ma' mx700 stays eternal"
[02:58] <sethk> Captain_Redbeard, it could
[02:58] <ComputinChuck> i just don't want to have to carry around a receiver on top of my mouse..
[02:58] <ComputinChuck> that's why i like the BT idea
[02:58] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, haha
[02:59] <Flamekebab> laptops and wireless mice = annoyance
[02:59] <Flamekebab> at least from my PoV
[02:59] <sethk> fishy, that looks _almost_ identical to one of mine.  Mine has the USB plug in, like that one, only it's end isn't rounded.  I think it's a very good bet that it will work without problems.
[02:59] <Flamekebab> I hate changing batteries
[02:59] <sethk> fishy, but it isn't certain.
[02:59] <ComputinChuck> Flamekebab, true..
[02:59] <Flamekebab> which is why I love my dock
[02:59] <sethk> Flamekebab, I have one rechargeable.  However, my newer battery one is much smarter about preserving the battery
[02:59] <Flamekebab> because it's a charger
[02:59] <Flamekebab> and I've not changed the batteries in my MX700
[02:59] <sethk> Flamekebab, if I forget to put my mouse in the doc, and it discharges, then I have to wait.
[02:59] <Flamekebab> EVER
[02:59] <sethk> Flamekebab, of course, the answer is, don't forget  :)
[03:00] <Flamekebab> my mouse saves its juice
[03:00] <sethk> Flamekebab, I've been very happy with my rechargeable also
[03:00] <Flamekebab> I've owned it for 3 - 4 years I think
[03:00] <cafuego> The MX700 is shiny
[03:00] <Flamekebab> and it's been used a LOT
[03:00] <ComputinChuck> awesome
[03:00] <ComputinChuck> yea
[03:00] <Flamekebab> come to think of it, I think I'll bring the damn thing to uni
[03:00] <Flamekebab> I love that mouse
[03:00] <ComputinChuck> does't it have a docking station?
[03:00] <Flamekebab> yep
[03:00] <ComputinChuck> and NiMH batteries?
[03:00] <Flamekebab> I think so, yes
[03:00] <cafuego> All I need is for Xorg to not shit itself when using evdev as mouse driver.
[03:00] <ComputinChuck> you don't have to change those ;) they recharge
[03:00] <cafuego> ComputinChuck: Yes.
[03:00] <viator> omg i just tested this gyration wirless kb and mouse thats been in one of my harware boxes (piles) and it works!
[03:01] <Flamekebab> it could do with a new set in the vague future
[03:01] <Flamekebab> but it's still going strong
[03:01] <ComputinChuck> yea
[03:01] <dk06> season premiere of family guy just strated
[03:01] <Flamekebab> wireless kbs are good
[03:01] <cafuego> ComputinChuck: Provided you rememebr to put the mouse back on the changer at night ;-)
[03:01] <Flamekebab> they don't suck a lot of juice
[03:01] <eternalswd> is there a program to search the windows network?
[03:01] <ComputinChuck> cafuego, haha, true
[03:01] <Wicked_> anyone have experience with dual screens?
[03:01] <Captain_Redbeard> Hmmm... is it just me or is Xorg running composite and using KDEs fancy window decorations leaking IMMENSE over time?
[03:01] <chowdaryharsha> hi
[03:01] <Flamekebab> Wicked_, unfortunately not
[03:01] <ComputinChuck> Wicked_, only bad ones for me...sorry
[03:01] <Flamekebab> hi, chowdaryharsha
[03:02] <chowdaryharsha> can any one tell me how to install win32 codecs
[03:02] <Flamekebab> cafuego, I don't put mine in its dock
[03:02] <cafuego> Captain_Redbeard: Yes, but that's a know issue in Xorg.
[03:02] <Wicked_> alright
[03:02] <ComputinChuck> Wicked_, i've seen it done though..i just haven't played with it much
[03:02] <Captain_Redbeard> cafuego: ah goodie...
[03:02] <Wicked_> well, anyone know what would cause a dual screen to make everything cenetered?
[03:02] <nozorro> chowdaryharsha: wait a sec. please, i'l give you a link with info
[03:02] <Flamekebab> rabies?
[03:02] <ComputinChuck> Wicked_, how do you mean?
[03:02] <Wicked_> it treats it as one big screen
[03:02] <viator> latr
[03:02] <Flamekebab> well that certainly felates monkey wang
[03:03] <chowdaryharsha> nozorro, ok
[03:03] <Wicked_> so when I maximize, it stretches everything out
[03:03] <ComputinChuck> Wicked_, so it's cut down the middle?
[03:03] <sethk> Wicked_, I believe there is a config option for that.
[03:03] <Flamekebab> I have a sick mind, "so when I maximize, it stretches everything out" sounds so wrong to me..
[03:03] <Captain_Redbeard> cafuego: have you got a link t an Xorg bug central?
[03:03] <ComputinChuck> Wicked_, yea, you have to set up both monitors as a separate screen
[03:04] <Wicked_> I believe I did that :/
[03:04] <sethk> Wicked_, my dual head doesn't behave that way.  are you using xinerama?
[03:04] <cafuego> Captain_Redbeard: nope...
[03:04] <cafuego> Captain_Redbeard: I'll check with daniels tone later ;-)
[03:04] <Wicked_> I used this tutorial
[03:04] <Wicked_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[03:04] <Captain_Redbeard> cafuego: :D
[03:05] <LuisMendes> how can I make the "glxgears" tool show me the FPS?
[03:05] <Flamekebab> I wonder if anyone will start selling linux laptops at a reasonable price in the UK
[03:05] <nozorro> chowdaryharsha: here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-6c942d1939d97331f96e42b63774003fde7daed5
[03:05] <cafuego> LuisMendes: Run it with the '-iacknowledgethathistoolisnotabenchmark' option.
[03:05] <Flamekebab> I've finally acquired a laptop with suspend support
[03:05] <chowdaryharsha> nozorro, thank u very much
[03:05] <Flamekebab> and found a PCMCIA card that doesn't crash the system
[03:05] <nozorro> chowdaryharsha: welcome
[03:05] <corfe> LuisMendes: Just let it run for like 5 seconds, then it'll spit it out at the commandline
[03:05] <djperegrin1> where is teh hotplug firmware directory ?
[03:06] <corfe> LuisMendes: (run it from an x terminal)
[03:06] <LuisMendes> corfe, that's what should happen, but nothing is shown
[03:06] <Flamekebab> PathagenX, I'm curious, is your name an intentional typo?
[03:06] <PathagenX> indeed
[03:06] <Flamekebab> fair enough then
[03:06] <Flamekebab> it's been preying on my mind
[03:06] <Flamekebab> like a fox
[03:06] <ComputinChuck> djperegrin1, there's a firmware directory at /lib/firmware i think
[03:06] <Flamekebab> no, wait, that's me
[03:06] <corfe> LuisMendes: I'm stumped then, heh
[03:07] <LuisMendes> corfe, yeah me too, I thought there was a special option.. but it seems no
[03:07] <searayman> how do i install an x11 mouse theme on gnome?
[03:07] <eugman> What's an upstream developer?
[03:08] <cafuego> searayman: Drag the theme package onto the Themes control panel.
[03:08] <cafuego> searayman: ... and watch in amazement.
[03:08] <searayman> cafuego: so go to system>theme
[03:08] <eternalswd> is there a way to browse windows network from the terminal?
[03:09] <searayman> cafuego:  ok i put it in there how do i enable that mouse theme?
[03:09] <nozorro> eugman: a developer responsible for the program at it's source, from where ubuntu took it
[03:10] <searayman> cafuego:  i applied it and it took of my top gnome bar!!!!!!
[03:10] <eugman> So is it usually Upstream -> Debian -> Ubuntu ?
[03:10] <sethk>  eternalswd you mean get into an already mounted directory, or look for directories that can be mounted?
[03:10] <searayman> cafuego:  and the mouse didnt change
[03:10] <eugman> actually nevermind that one.
[03:10] <searayman> cafuego:  and i cant get the gnome panel back!!!!!!
[03:10] <eternalswd> sethk, look for directories that can be mounted
[03:10] <nozorro> eugman: debian might itself be considered upstream from ubuntu's perpective. it depends
[03:11] <chowdaryharsha> nozorro, its not coming
[03:11] <cafuego> searayman: Now it's available in the temes section of the mouse control panel.
[03:11] <Flamekebab> oh dear gods, they're watching American football together in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:11] <cafuego> s/temes/pointers/
[03:11] <searayman> cafuego:  it opned a message and said do u want to apply and i did but i lost my gnom epanel!!
[03:11] <nozorro> chowdaryharsha: you copied the command correctly? preferably do it with the mouse
[03:11] <sethk> eternalswd, I believe there is.  Let me see if I can find it.
[03:11] <Flamekebab> right, now to resume my battle with the evil Kino fairies
[03:12] <chowdaryharsha> ya...the site is not opening
[03:12] <Flamekebab> cheerio, all
[03:12] <nozorro> chowdaryharsha: maybe it will later. it did for me not too many days ago
[03:12] <voici> hi, i have got a problem with my ubuntu installation. i somehow changed something. the kernel isn't able to load modules anymore.
[03:12] <voici> my /var/log/messages says directly after booting
[03:12] <voici> Loaded 23037 symbols from /boot/System.map-2.6.15-26-386
[03:12] <voici> Symbols match kernel version 2.6.15
[03:12] <voici> No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled
[03:13] <sethk> eternalswd, smbtree
[03:13] <chowdaryharsha> nozorro, ok thank u
[03:13] <chowdaryharsha> nozorro, is there any alternate way??
[03:13] <voici> i think i did a ldconfig a while before thinbgs went bad. any way to fix it?
[03:13] <sethk> voici, that message has nothing to do with ldconfig
[03:13] <eternalswd> sethk, thanks a bunch
[03:13] <voici> ok thats good
[03:13] <sethk> voici, that's kernel modules and symbols, a different thing altogether
[03:13] <exs> Now that I've installed beagle, how do I gain access to it?
[03:14] <sethk> voici, my guess is that you somehow installed a new kernel but didn't install it's modules.
[03:14] <voici> i think i didn't
[03:14] <voici> only update was a new compiz about 2 hours ago
[03:14] <voici> after that i tried to mount shares via samba
[03:15] <sethk> voici, do lsmod.  does it list anything?
[03:15] <voici> that failed saying: kernel got not smbfs module or something similar
[03:15] <voici> after the next reboot i got no drivers at all, no mouse, no network, no sound, you name it...
[03:15] <sethk> voici, it says you have a module/kernel mismatch, and it won't install any drivers.
[03:15] <nozorro> chowdaryharsha: yes. you might google for a deb package and install that. or a tgz package and install it in /usr/local/libs/codecs, with two links from the latter, one to /usr/lib/codecs, another one to /usr/lib/win32
[03:15] <sethk> voici, try reinstalling the kernel image you are running.
[03:16] <chowdaryharsha> nozorro, thanks
[03:16] <voici> ok
[03:16] <voici> like dkpg --reconfigure linux-kernel-2.6.15-26-386 ?
[03:16] <nozorro> chowdaryharsha: but i would advise against that if you don't feel confident with linux. better wait until the server is up if not
[03:16] <sethk> voici, not reconfigure, reinstall
[03:16] <sris> Does anyone know what i should be looking for if i want to enable what's called "Theatre mode" in Catalyst, the setting GUI for ati cards?
[03:16] <mike-digiport-> How do I Install .deb packages
[03:17] <jrib> !deb
[03:17] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[03:17] <lamb_> im trying to SUDO UPDATE-ALTERNATIVE --CONFIG XORG, what am i typing wrong??
[03:17] <jrib> lamb_: try lowercase
[03:17] <jrib> lamb_: and xserver-xorg
[03:17] <mike-digiport-> ok, how do I install it via console
[03:17] <root_> how do you close a window in irssi
[03:17] <jrib> lamb_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:18] <voici> sethk: thanks. i don't have the cdrom deb in my /apt/sources.list anymore, can you give me a hint how to add it again?
[03:18] <Captain_Redbeard> ermz... retarded issue... I "accidently" removed a line from /etc/hosts and saved... now sudo wont work... what to do?
[03:18] <jrib> mike-digiport-: sudo dpkg -i
[03:18] <lamb_> haha im doing lowercase, but i'll try the other thing you mentioned
[03:18] <jrib> root_: /wc
[03:18] <Merovingian> lol
[03:18] <sethk> sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-kernel...........
[03:19] <sethk> voici, sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-kernel...........
[03:19] <jrib> lamb_: wait, actually what are you trying to do?  Because I may have told you something else...
[03:19] <Captain_Redbeard> anyone?
[03:19] <sethk> voici, if it complains, tell us.
[03:19] <fishy> thanks sethk, I'll probably buy it, I'm fairly sure it's going to work