[19:56] <jrib> osse: there shouldn't be any significant difference, yes
[19:56] <cntrational> carandraug: yes
[19:56] <Glowball> [thor]: But I can't see another reason not to want 11.04, except for Unity
[19:56] <rgr> There are loads of issues with upgrading that simply dont occur with a fresh install for obvious reasons.
[19:57] <ohsix> Froq: iw phy phy0 info
[19:57] <Froq> ohsix: thanks
[19:57] <osse> rgr: Maybe a "no news is good news" kind of thing :P
[19:57] <rgr> including but not limited to other tweaks you might have applied on the older version that can not be migrated by the update utility. Anyone who says they are the same thing is misleading you.
[19:57] <ohsix> osse: there often are none, yes; but with upgrades special attention needs to be made if you use ppa's or mangled some of the distro files (which you can do unknowingly if you followed bad advice/workarounds in the past)
[19:58] <[thor]> Glowball: lack of video card compatibility is the one i am running into now; even in Classic mode, my 3D acceleration is toast ( yes, i have checked for drivers )
[19:58] <haygus> Hi
[19:58] <arkanabar> what gtk apps for adjusting mouse acceleration are available for 11.04?  lxinput stopped working after upgrade to natty
[19:58] <haygus> where ca n i found the new version md5 file ?
[19:58] <[thor]> a distro upgrade is supposed to improve functionality, not break it.
[19:58] <AlecTaylor> I've just installed 11.04 in a virtual machine, and I can't get the resolution right. I need 1680x1050 (wide-screen). I've tried changing the resolution and installing VMware Tools to no avail. Any ideas?
[19:58] <ohsix> rgr: the point of an upgrade is for them to be the same thing in the end, so what you just said is antithetical to the entire process
[19:58] <rgr> [thor]: I guess you never upgraded Ubuntu much then ;)
[19:59] <ohsix> [thor]: and "upgrade" is a strictly utilitarian thing that changes the packages to new versions, it says nothing about functionality
[19:59] <[thor]> rgr: since 8.04
[19:59] <jrib> osse: if you take a fresh 10.10 install and upgrade it should be the same as an 11.04 install.  Obviously, if you make changes to 10.10 and upgrade those changes affect your upgrade result vs a fresh 11.04 install...
[19:59] <tmaster> MSI ATI 5770 HAWK, Core i5 750, 4GB DDR3,Intel DP55WB -- any potential driver issues with Ubuntu?
[19:59] <logophobia> hi, are there any special instructions/tricks for installing on an UEFI based PC? I installed ubuntu but I never get the boot menu
[19:59] <saju_m> i trying to install cinelerra, but getting error, http://dpaste.com/537555/
[19:59] <rgr> but the upgrade will never be as clean as the fresh install. And there should be zero reason to install 10.10 amd then dirextly update.
[20:00] <ohsix> the important distinction is the things that you can do to break things for an upgrade, which happen; that you sidestep entirely doing a new install
[20:00] <[thor]> ohsix: it has succeeded in driving me away from the project.
[20:00] <Glowball> [thor]: Weird. I never had that kind of problems. There is one bug that is keeping me from 11.04 for now, though, and that is the higher power usage in new kernels.
[20:00] <ohsix> rgr: quantify "clean"
[20:00] <ohsix> [thor]: bummer
[20:00] <cooladmin> I installed new Ubuntu 4.14 since long time I left ubuntu for RHEL & Fedora...really is amazing product now and I want to stick with it
[20:00] <saju_m> please check this http://dpaste.com/537555/
[20:00] <RealOpty> does virtualbox only emulate a 32bit cpu??????????
[20:00] <haygus> i have this error before the instal
[20:00] <cooladmin> Sorry 10.14
[20:00] <haygus> unexepected_exit_with_statut_0x0009
[20:00] <carandraug> cntrational, I googled a bit and some people say you need to stop X before running that. That means you'd have to go to a tty, and stop the GUI for some time
[20:00] <rgr> you check which repo cinelerra should be in and added it to your sources.list?
[20:00] <haygus> on black screen,
[20:01] <haygus> i try check disk, same thing..
[20:01] <ohsix> Glowball: that higher power usage amounts to about 3 minutes here, the part that bugs me is the extra 1deg or so it entails on the system/hd temps
[20:01] <rgr> Did you use synaptic or apt-cache search to verify the install candidate name?
[20:01] <rach0> tmaster, no there should not be any serious problems with drivers. I suspect everything will work out of the box
[20:01] <[thor]> cooladmin: neither of those are valid release numbers..
[20:01] <Froq> So I downloaded the most recent linux kernel and it is taking my computer 10+ minutes to unpack the dang thing...
[20:01] <berefeira> updated, no wobbly windows, is this correct?
[20:01] <osse> Thanks, guys. I'll try to think of stuff I might have done. In 11.04 the default media player has changes. Does this mean that Banshee won't get installed because it notices that I have Rhythmbox set as the default player?
[20:01] <ohsix> Froq: theres a ton of files in it :] like tons
[20:01] <cntrational> carandraug: I did do that; alt-ctrl-F2, sudo stop service gdm
[20:01] <tmaster> rach0: thanks, I had heard there are some issues with ATI cards, thats why I was worried
[20:01] <rgr> Froq: may I ask why? You had to ask where to get it. Did you install the source via synaptic?
[20:01] <ohsix> Froq: not a million but over 50k
[20:01] <Froq> ohsix: must be... but it is only 75MB.... that isn't very big. lol... but I guess it is too.
[20:01] <jrib> osse: you'll likely have both installed
[20:02] <ohsix> rgr: it is extracted and prepared if apt-get source is used
[20:02] <Froq> rgr: I went to the ubuntu repos and got it from there.
[20:02] <rach0> tmaster, i have a HD 5500 and it works fine, just dont install the binary drivers
[20:02] <carandraug> cntrational, ok. Could you pastebin the X log then?
[20:02] <arkanabar> what gtk apps for adjusting mouse acceleration are available for 11.04?  lxinput stopped working after upgrade to natty
[20:02] <GuyCanada> is there any reason that nvidia would see an attached monitor but system>monitors would not? im trying to hit function-F8 to display my screen on a tv. i dont want to set up miltiple monitors through nvidia i just want to be able to HDMI out when watching tv through my computer can anyone helo?
[20:02] <GuyCanada> help?*
[20:02] <rgr> so you installed it via aptitude or apt or synaptic or what?
[20:02] <Froq> rgr: I have been playing around with learning C++ and making in grounds into it, and figured I would love to look @ the structure of teh linux C kernel
[20:02] <rgr> What source is it you are extracting?
[20:02] <saege> is there a way to install gnome3 without breaking unity?
[20:02] <tmaster> rach0: Do I have to do anything special during installation to not install them?
[20:02] <ohsix> osse: no banshee will get installed as it's a recommend from ubuntu-desktop; but you can remove it, or use rhythmbox, it's really no actual distinction, just that it's a recommended package now
[20:02] <Glowball> ohsix: Well, I never tested it myself on my own hardware, but I read people getting as much as 30% less battery life
[20:02] <Froq> rgr: I went to the ubuntu repos via web browswer
[20:02] <eigba> arkanabar, I just use the mouse software that always came with ubuntu/gnome its still there and works
[20:03] <rgr> Froq: there are some nice tools on the web to help you navigate the source code online.
[20:03] <osse> Froq, extracted it'll be over 400 MB I think. Text files are usually very compressable. Also, that it's a bunch of small files instead of a few larger ones contributes.
[20:03] <carandraug> cntrational, pastebin the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:03] <rgr> lol..
[20:03] <ohsix> Glowball: i'd take that with a grain of salt, but i've also seen people reporting 2 separate issues, one of which is their processor being in turbo mode when it shouldn't be; that will account for a lot, since theres no turbo on my cpu it accounts for no additional use here
[20:03] <rach0> tmaster, no just don't get them after installation unless you really need them (and i don't suspect you will)
[20:03] <arkanabar> eigba, ty, but I'm not running gnome.  I'm running lxde.  what is gnome's mouse config applet?  I'm willing to give it a try, if it's still included in natty....
[20:03] <Froq> rgr: so what tools are you making mention of?  I am very interested
[20:03] <darkham> hi, in 10.10 i find temp youtube files in chromium in /tmp dir
[20:03] <osse> jrib, ohsix: thanks.
[20:03] <ohsix> Froq: he asked how to get the source code, not how to browse it
[20:04] <darkham> now in /home/.cache/chromium/default
[20:04] <ohsix> Froq: theres the upstream kernels git browser and launchpads bzr browser for it's local kernel branches
[20:04] <darkham> i dont't find anything
[20:04] <tmaster> rach0: Ok.. So I dont need them for games I hope
[20:04] <Froq> ohsix: o man, you are so smart, talking over my head! :)
[20:04] <BlouBlou> darkham: that may be because they updated config
[20:04] <cntrational> carandraug: http://pastebin.com/YbK35Uy1
[20:04] <darkham> where i can find the video temp file, if you can help me
[20:04] <rgr> Froq: lxr for a start. but there are many. http://www.google.de/search?q=browse+linux+source+code+online
[20:04] <ohsix> Froq: first message was meant for rgr
[20:04] <tkngch> \quit
[20:05] <rgr> but note that the linux kernel is C and in no way prepares you for complex C++
[20:05] <ohsix> rgr: you're getting on peoples last nerve with giving people google links
[20:05] <ohsix> !google | rgr
[20:05] <rgr> sigh
[20:05] <ohsix> rgr: if you have a link in those google results that you intend to give to a person, give them the link
[20:05] <avinash> Hey guys , i can see my wireless is connected .. get 'connected' message .. but can't browse any sites .. gets stuck in resolving proxy .. how to change proxy .. any help pls
[20:05] <rgr> but lxr is nice for a start. Also a editor which can use etags is good
[20:05] <ohsix> rgr: if you have a link in those google results that you intend to give to a person, give them the link
[20:05] <Froq> rgr: Good to know, I just wanted to look @ some large scale stuff, and I didn't realize teh number of files associated with a kernel! WOW
[20:06] <rgr> the linux kernel makefile  includes a tags target
[20:06] <saju_m> i trying to install cinelerra, but getting error, http://dpaste.com/537555/
[20:06] <BlouBlou> darkham: if you want to download a video, try with firefox, 'video downloadhelper'
[20:06] <ohsix> Froq: if that's all you wanted, you might be interested in http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=tree
[20:07] <rgr> Froq: well, enjoy it ;) Also note that the C in the kernel is about the best you will find. very "clean".
[20:07] <Froq> ohsix: yeah!  that is what i wnated! could have had it 30 minutes ago if I could just better articulate my desires, huh?  thanks
[20:07] <ohsix> Froq: that's linus' kernel tree; and doesn't include ubuntu patches (they're in their own tree) but if you're not interested in building it or anything, it should suffice
[20:07] <carandraug> cntrational, well, I can't find any error there
[20:07] <schnuffle> saju_m: sure the package is called cinelerra, search for it
[20:07] <ohsix> rgr: #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:07] <darkham> BlouBlou, yes but i'm curious to know where it's downloaded a temp file
[20:07] <carandraug> cntrational, what resolution should it be?
[20:07] <ohsix> Froq: well it's a very general question, i assumed it was ubuntu related and you wanted to rebuild it or something :] no harm no foul
[20:08] <BlouBlou> darkham: usually is or in .chronium/cache or something like that, or in /tmp
[20:08] <Froq> ohsix: right on!
[20:08] <cntrational> carandraug: 1368x768, a 16:9 resolution
[20:08] <darkham> BlouBlou, i'm asking, because i look in both, and nothing
[20:09] <ohsix> lame, the firefox 4 update page no longer has a link to the bugs fixed in that release
[20:09] <BlouBlou> darkham: Then I have no idea, most probably they changed temporal folder
[20:10] <asdf_msc> stereocaulon_, did you mean you had problems with just upgrading to 11.04 or with WoW?
[20:10] <darkham> BlouBlou, thanx the same
[20:10] <BlouBlou> np
[20:10] <Stereocaulon_> asdf_msc, I meant just upgrading to 11.04
[20:10] <stravant> ohsix: Last time I had these sort of problems just uninstalling pulseaudio from the system entirely fixed them. Now that won't work anymore, is there anything special I would have to do to make it work?
[20:10] <Stereocaulon_> asdf_msc, I don't play WoW
[20:10] <_ListerWork> hi, how does one get to change display output to use hdmi cable
[20:10] <_ListerWork> ?
[20:10] <carandraug> cntrational, I have to go now. But take a look at this, it might be of help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding%20undetected%20resolutions
[20:11] <ohsix> stravant: it didn't "fix" them, it sidestepped the real problem
[20:11] <Bobguts> Hello
[20:11] <carandraug> cntrational, and good luck fixing it
[20:11] <stravant> ohsix: I know, but by fixed I mean that it let me hear sound
[20:11] <Sledge> stil can't figure out how to add stuff
[20:11] <ohsix> stravant: theres nothing special you should have to do; you have software running that is muting things, if its g-v-c and it's doing it without you clicking on mute, find out what it's fighting with
[20:11] <stravant> ohsix: Since there doesn't seem to _be_ any solution
[20:11] <beta____> A question: does anyone know how to install emerald in 11.04...
[20:11] <beta____> ?
[20:12] <beta____> Tried the emeraldfix.txt, but it keeps given me errors..
[20:12] <destin> why can i not drag my windows form the top bar?
[20:12] <ohsix> stravant: i gave you what i thought was all the information that was needed to troubleshoot the problem
[20:12] <rooly> does anyone know where the patch for the rlt8192se that keeps it from making the system lock up is?
[20:12] <schnuffle> beta____:  check http://www.webupd8.org/2009/03/ubuntu-install-themes-emerald-compiz.html
[20:12] <rooly> because there's been a regression since 10.10
[20:12] <ohsix> beta____: why do you need emerald? support for transparent themes has been promoted to the other window decorators and you don't need to theme it separately now
[20:13] <darkham> how can i search all unconditioned video files in natty?
[20:13] <ohsix> rooly: do you know for a fact that such a patch exists?
[20:13] <beta____> @schnuffle: that's not the problem.. know how to install...
[20:13] <ohsix> rooly: you should try the module backports and see if it still freezes, but if it doesn't, still file a bug
[20:13] <beta____> but the decoration just doesnt show
[20:13] <rooly> ohsix, yes, i used it for 4 months prior to 10.10 (which brought it in to the kernel)
[20:14] <ohsix> rooly: how come you didn't lobby to get it included?
[20:14] <stravant> ohsix: I did look into it more. It is indeed not gnome volume control, playing sound from _any_ program causes the sound to become muted until I unmute it in gnome volume control. The it doesn't actually instantly mute if there isn't any program playing sound, it only goes to being muted one a program tries to play sound. I would suspect it's some ugly internal thing?
[20:14] <ohsix> rooly: if it was known it should have been included
[20:14] <beta____> @ohsix; yes, but there are still a lot of nice themes that are build on emerald..
[20:14] <beta____> rather than on gtk
[20:14] <rooly> ohsix, because i didn't realize that 11.04 would regress on the rtl8192se wireless driver
[20:14] <ohsix> stravant: ah, it is an sblive isn't it
[20:14] <teja2011> hello..all i am using 11.04...but i was having a problem in new look of ubuntu i tried to enable desktop cube in compiz den something gone wrong dats it i can see any panels and shortcuts...help me
[20:15] <ohsix> rooly: it's not a regression if you needed a patch before ... it's just the same thing?
[20:15] <rooly> ohsix, 10.10 fixed the problem
[20:15] <ezro> hey
[20:15] <rooly> the problem was documented in 10.04 and patched for 10.10
[20:15] <ezro> Im just wondering for linux
[20:15] <ezro> I just installed linux
[20:15] <ohsix> rooly: ok if it's broke again in 11.04, then the same patch probably won't work anyways; you should try the backports to see if it's fixed already, and file a bug
[20:15] <stirfoo> any emacs user find C-M-a (left Alt not right) will not produce an event, even when using describe-key?
[20:15] <asdf_msc> anyone else get fatal exception errors on opening WoW after upgrading to 11.04?
[20:16] <rooly> ohsix, backparts are installed
[20:16] <ezro> what should I do next?
[20:16] <rooly> *backports
[20:16] <DSASD> hi
[20:16] <stravant> ohsix: What? I don't have any sound card, it's the the integrated sound on the motherboard.
[20:16] <ohsix> stravant: so some cards treat 0 on the volume as mute, instead of having a separate switch
[20:16] <ohsix> stravant: better post the output to aplay -L and pacmd ls again to a pastebin then
[20:16] <beta____> uhmm... so no solution yet?
[20:17] <LinuxHack3r> Just installed 11.04 64bit, fresh, and first boot I tried to install the nvidia drivers from the nvidia site. Now I am stuck without X, and cannot seemingly generate a correct xorg.conf (I believe due to the fact I had to start using a vga monitor with a DVI adapter. I started having issues in 10.10 with this monitor, and no issues in 10.10 with a DVI monitor.) I've tried nvidia-xorgconf, still "no screens found". I need to generate
[20:17] <ic4l> helloo guys... i want to ask wich application is the best for IRC ??
[20:17] <ikonia> ic4l: that's personal choice, what's the best dinner to eat ? get it ?
[20:17] <ohsix> beta____: no solution to install emerald, perhaps you should state why you wish to do that, as emeralds functionality has been in the other window decorators for a long time
[20:17] <ezro> :)
[20:17] <gmachine_24> ic4I: is that a joke
[20:17] <ezro> anybody here korea?
[20:18] <gmachine_24> n
[20:18] <ezro> llllllllllll
[20:18] <theclaw> after upgrading to ubuntu 11.04, the gtk+-themes I set in appearance settings don't work anymore. everythings in the default theme
[20:18] <quellhorst> When trying to make vm i see: "warning: kvm is not available. this may mean the kvm package is not installed, or the kvm kernel modules are not loaded. your virtual machines may perform poorly."
[20:18] <theclaw> any idea?
[20:18] <MadRobot> Hi all
[20:18] <asdf_msc> ic4l, i googled the same thing earlier and most seem to just use xchat
[20:18] <IdleOne> !korea | ezro
[20:18] <quellhorst> i have the kvm kernel module loaded.
[20:18] <LinuxHack3r> could anyone assist me in generating an xorg.conf with my nvidia?
[20:18] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: what version of the driver did you try to install? there was an xserver abi change and i don't know if any of the nvidia drivers made it
[20:18] <ic4l> just tell me... what is ur test.... i want to try some irc depend on ur experience
[20:18] <LinuxHack3r> ohsix: the latest 270*.*.*
[20:18] <gmachine_24> I use xchat or chatzilla
[20:18] <ezro> I have some problem
[20:18] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: generating an xorg.conf isn't going to help if this is your situation
[20:18] <beta____> @ohsix: yeah, I know there are a lot that are better, but they just don't look that nice..
[20:19] <rooly> hmm
[20:19] <LinuxHack3r> ohsix: So can I remove the nvidia driver and try something else in gui?
[20:19] <rooly> i see a spot to test it
[20:19] <rooly> i might hop offline for a moment
[20:19] <MadRobot> The new Natty interface seems pretty cool! I wonder if there are any tutorials for how I can find my way through it more easily..?
[20:19] <beta____> would it be an good choise to be back on ubuntu 10.10? Or some other distro based on ubuntu?
[20:19] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: yes, or use nouveau if you can, it should suffice for the desktop shinyness
[20:19] <ic4l> gmachine_24 : i use xchat but didn't satisfy my....
[20:19] <arkanabar> what gtk apps for adjusting mouse acceleration are available for 11.04?  lxinput stopped working after upgrade to natty
[20:19] <cntrational> so
[20:19] <LinuxHack3r> ohsix: Until nvidia drivers are updated?
[20:19] <gmachine_24> yeah I'm not a big xchat fan
[20:20] <ohsix> arkanabar: what's l_x_input?
[20:20] <tensorpudding> MadRobot: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/natty/what
[20:20] <ohsix> arkanabar: xinput can still set input device properties
[20:20] <ic4l> so which one u prefer to use?? gmachine_24
[20:20] <MadRobot> beta____, I can understand why you might wanna do that. :\
[20:20] <gmachine_24> ic4l: I go for the easy . . . chatzilla
[20:20] <arkanabar> ohsix, lxinput is lxde native app for setting mouse accel & keyboard repeat.
[20:20] <LinuxHack3r> ohsix: what via apt-get for the nouveau
[20:21] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: i think 270 is already ready for the new abi; can you post the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and log.old, and Xorg.1.log?
[20:21] <beta____> Because I like gnome2, emerald and custimize a lot with ubuntu... '(
[20:21] <ohsix> arkanabar: oh, you'll have to figure out why it broke with them then, as far as i know nothing important changed with the proper way to set these things
[20:21] <gmachine_24> I only try xchat when it's a default install . . . and then I'm reminded why I don't like it
[20:21] <LinuxHack3r> ohsix: just uninstalled it. If I can get back in a gui I'll be more able to do things..
[20:21] <tensorpudding> MadRobot: http://omgubuntu.co.uk/natty/ rather
[20:21] <stravant> ohsix: http://pastebin.com/mRdwEj8K , http://pastebin.com/mRdwEj8K
[20:22] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: the log will only be useful from the broken runs of xorg
[20:22] <LinuxHack3r> ohsix: well how can I do this via cli?
[20:22] <MadRobot> tensorpudding, how do I add more workspaces?
[20:22] <avinash> Hey friends, i have ubuntu 10.10 .. the wireless is connected   , but no internet .. any help pls ..
[20:22] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: copy them somewhere they wont be overwritten
[20:23] <phibxr> Has anyone been able to change the mouse pointer in the Appearance-pane? No matter what I select, it stays as the default pointer.
[20:23] <tensorpudding> MadRobot: you need to configure compiz
[20:23] <LinuxHack3r> ohsix: Oh duh:( So....which files exactly?
[20:23] <beta____> @avinash, do you have a cable next to you?
[20:23] <celso> hi
[20:23] <MrMist1> I'm desperate.. Need to sort out how to set a "spin down" parameter with hdparm.. I can't do it in Natty..
[20:23] <avinash> beta____, yes .. i have and i tried plugging in .. it also connects but no internet .. ( ip comes , but can't browse any sites )
[20:23] <Froq> so i downloaded a stupid dock program to make my ubuntu look "nifty" but now I want to scratch it, however, I don't know the name of it. What can I do?
[20:24] <beta____> hmm.. do you have dual boot? (Windows - Ubuntu)
[20:24] <gmachine_24> Froq: right click on the 'stupid dock program' and it should say
[20:24] <stravant> ohsix: Another little point which may be useful. If I play a youtube vid for example, if I pause it, and then try to unmute using gvc, I have to click about 30 times before it will finally stay unmuted, as though there's some buffer it's going through and it takes 30 clicks to get through it.
[20:24] <tensorpudding> MadRobot: install the Compiz Config Settings Manager, and check out the General Options -> Desktop Size
[20:24] <MrMist1> Froq: ps -ef | grep py ?
[20:24] <Kevin147> Since the 11.04 upgrade, my desktop lags on minecraft. Why is it doing this?
[20:24] <avinash> beta____, yes .. no its only ubuntu 10.10
[20:24] <ohsix> stravant: theres an existing bug regarding some auto mute & independent output thing that sound chip does
[20:24] <LinuxHack3r> ohsix: Just copied /var/log/*, will that cover everything?
[20:24] <avinash> beta____, no issue in hardware coz the same lappy works fine in office .. have problem in home only
[20:25] <gmachine_24> but if it's not stupid, I make no promises
[20:25] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: and lots more, eugh
[20:25] <beta____> hmm... no other device connected to the router?
[20:25] <ohsix> MrMist1: it's still done with /etc/hdparm.conf
[20:25] <Froq> MrMist1: what does that ouput tell me?
[20:25] <avinash> i have one more laptop to same router ..
[20:25] <stravant> ohsix: Could you point me to where the bug is listed?
[20:25] <avinash> which i am using for typing here
[20:25] <beta____> and that works?
[20:25] <beta____> oooh oke :P
[20:25] <avinash> yes this works ..
[20:25] <Froq> MrMist1: none of those are the name.
[20:25] <ohsix> stravant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/609173 don't try the deb though, and there are probably other bugs
[20:25] <MrMist1> ohsix: It doesn't seem to be read during boot.. My hd doesn't spin down
[20:25] <gmachine_24> Froq: your cock program should also be listed under "accessories"
[20:26] <viper474> How do I identify with services so I can change channel?
[20:26] <darkham> how can i search all the files of the same type?
[20:26] <nuke_> holo
[20:26] <beta____> hmm.. tried ifconfig to see you ip settings?
[20:26] <gmachine_24> sorry, dock
[20:26] <bastidrazor> !register | viper474
[20:26] <gmachine_24> wow. bad typo.
[20:26] <ohsix> MrMist1: oh it's definitely read, every time there is a power event; your settings probably don't allow the drive to spin down
[20:26] <MrMist1> Froq: How about just searching through the processes using "ps -ef | less" ?
[20:26] <Froq> gmachine_24: I was curious to what you were making mention of cock for.  THANKS
[20:26] <schnuffle> darkham: mlocate can do it
[20:26] <ohsix> MrMist1: post the output of sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda to a pastebin
[20:26] <gmachine_24> haha yeah
[20:26] <avinash> yes .. gives eth1 (<IP_ADDRESS>) , lo (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[20:26] <nuke_> yeah!!
[20:26] <MrMist1> ohsix: Sure does... If I use hdparm -S 4, it spins down in 20 seconds time
[20:26] <mongy> what does [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 mean.  Its my usb stick, when I plug it in, dmesg returns that.
[20:27] <gmachine_24> Froq: seriously, look under accessories. it should be there.
[20:27] <ohsix> MrMist1: there are two other power settings that keep the drive awake, setting the sleep time isn't always going to do it by itself
[20:27] <avinash> beta____, so it gets the ip after connecting to wireless.
[20:27] <beta____> hm.. maybe dns not working, tried to access the router from your (not working) ubuntu box?
[20:27] <Froq> gmachine_24: it is...
[20:27] <avinash> beta____, yeah .. ping <IP_ADDRESS> works .. thats my router ..
[20:27] <gmachine_24> Froq: :)
[20:27] <Froq> gmachine_24: avant window manager
[20:28] <ohsix> stravant: you should probably try contacting diwic, or at least commenting on that bug
[20:28] <MrMist1> ohsix: So hdparm -S 5 isn't the same as spindown_time = 5?
[20:28] <gmachine_24> Froq: can you just remove it now from the command line or via synaptic?
[20:28] <argon> i got compiz lag on ubuntu 11.04 (nvidia) can someone help me?
[20:28] <MrMist1> ohsix: I thought they were supposed to be equivalent
[20:28] <stravant> ohsix: Thanks for the help, maybe that'll get me somewhere
[20:28] <Froq> gmachine_24: I just performed "apt-get remove avant-window-nagivator
[20:28] <Visitor-integer> problem with webpage: cannot display webpage with css @ <IP_ADDRESS> ... my friend helped me "chmod" it before, but he is unavailable. can someone please help?
[20:28] <gmachine_24> Froq: of course you have to kill it first
[20:28] <Froq> will that remove all teh dependences too?
[20:29] <schnuffle> avinash: so your dns isn't set correctly, you can open /etc/resolv.conf and add: nameserver <ip of your router>
[20:29] <ohsix> stravant: pulse is just following what the driver is doing, you could probably get an audience with the interested parties (including diwic and themuso) in #pulseaudio, be sure to reference the bug so you don't have to explain it again
[20:29] <LjL> Froq: no. use "sudo apt-get autoremove" to remove unneeded dependencies
[20:29] <rgr> Froq: depends if they are used elsewhere
[20:29] <j0nr> hello, I have just upgraded to natty. I have no wireless. Is this the best place to ask for help?
[20:29] <avinash> schnuffle, i ll try this right away
[20:29] <beta____> @avinash try to search for an ip of google, anyone knows it?..
[20:29] <arrrghhh> hey all, i have an ubuntu server and an ubuntu client communicating over NFS.  I noticed REALLY slow transfer speeds, like 500k/s.  That's KB not kb... When connected via gigabit, I get 20MB/s (again, not mbps).  Is that expected over wifi?  I don't remember it being this slow.
[20:29] <ohsix> j0nr: atheros broadcom or intel?
[20:29] <rooly> well that was odd...
[20:29] <rooly> totally wasn't the bug i was looking for
[20:29] <j0nr> ohsix: broadcom
[20:29] <rgr> arrrghhh: what did you change?
[20:30]  * rooly isn't sure how to prove its the wifi driver
[20:30] <mikebot> Has there been problems with left-clicking in 11.04? (I'm having this problem)
[20:30] <ohsix> j0nr: a bcm43xx device? you probably need firmware installed
[20:30] <j0nr> ohsix: oh hang on: 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8192E Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[20:30] <logi01> hi can some help me. I just installed natty and everything went fine. But when i use the new kernel (2.6.38) my system freeze short after login. I have to use the old kernel (2.6.35) to use my system?
[20:30] <rgr> mikebot: yes. Multiple reports of mice being broken.
[20:30] <arrrghhh> rgr, nothing to my knowledge.  i mean there's been some updates, but nothing earth shattering.  client is on 11.04 and server is 10.04
[20:30] <j0nr> ohsix: is that broadcom?
[20:30] <ohsix> rgr: if people are asking they generally don't know what they've changed, or they would have undone it then redone it to confirm their suspicions
[20:30] <ohsix> j0nr: ah nope, realtek
[20:30] <rgr> no its realtek
[20:30] <vantage> Hi all, I've got a couple daru2 laptops from system76 and since 11.04, whenever the laptop tries to start the screen saver the brightness bounces down and up and the machine locks up.  Any idea what might be causing this?
[20:31] <j0nr> ah (my other laptop is broadcom)
[20:31] <jahrends> Hello
[20:31] <ohsix> j0nr: lots of people have been having problems with those, all i can suggest is trying the module backports and filing a bug
[20:31] <mikebot> rgr: Is there some place I can go to find updates about it?
[20:31] <avinash> beta____, i think i know this .. <IP_ADDRESS>  .. ping this works ..
[20:31] <jahrends> Does anyone here have experience with running an ircd?
[20:31] <j0nr> ohsix: how do i 'try the module backports'?
[20:31] <rgr> vantage: yes. your video is hosed. try resetting back to vesa only driver.
[20:31] <beta____> hm.. so this works?
[20:31] <arrrghhh> rgr, i guess that changed, the client used to be 10.10, now it's 11.04.  i've noticed slow xfer speeds in Windows as well, but that's over a different protocol (samba)
[20:32] <avinash> beta____, yeah getting response
[20:32] <ohsix> mikebot: where are you having problems clicking? nobody but me has reported a problem like that with regard to input, and that was with touchpads, and i got it fixed ;]
[20:32] <vantage> rgr: permanently?  Temporarily? Or is it a driver or kernel issue?
[20:32] <beta____> than I think dns problem. No response when pinging google.com?
[20:32] <rgr> nfs can be a real dog if reverse dns isnt configrued properly. I dont have the details at hand. I just recall having similar issues.
[20:32] <ohsix> j0nr: install linux-backports-modules-net-<version>-generic, reboot
[20:32] <rgr> arrrghhh: 11
[20:32] <rgr> ^^ rather
[20:32] <mikebot> ohsix: Everything; in Mines (game), options on Transmission, closing tabs in Chrome... It's not with a mouse, it's with my touchpad.
[20:32] <arrrghhh> rgr, i'm mounting via IP.  what does DNS have to do with it.
[20:33] <avinash> beta____, yeah pinging google.com isn't working ...
[20:33] <Saamm> can someone confirm this --> all ratings in software center over 100 are displayed as zero. Check out chromium, firefox and gimp
[20:33] <luisgmarine> lg158997
[20:33] <avinash> also http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ in browser doesn't work ..
[20:33] <ohsix> mikebot: ok, the way sensitivity was measured changed a bit upstream
[20:33] <rgr> then its probably not. I didnt know that. But then it mioght. The whole thing is hairy. Just mentioed it to give you some more to go on.
[20:33] <mikebot> ohsix: How did you fix yours? (Also, do you have a lenovo?)
[20:33] <freeburn> i upgraded to natty today...
[20:33] <arrrghhh> rgr, ok thx...
[20:34] <ohsix> mikebot: unfortunately the only way i know to set the sensitivity again is with xinput set-prop, because there is no ui for the changed settings
[20:34] <freeburn> but unity is behaving badly
[20:34] <ohsix> rgr: then practically speaking you have said nothing
[20:34] <freeburn> very unstable
[20:34] <ohsix> rgr: this is a help channel
[20:34] <illmortal> uhm...
[20:34] <rgr> yes, it does.
[20:34] <illmortal> what exactly is up with 11.04?
[20:34] <luisgmarine> Hello guys.  I have a macbook pro 5,3 that I'm trying to install 11.04 on.  I've read the guide but my system hangs when I select to "Check CD for defects" or install.  I've checked the md5sums of the downloaded .iso file and everything matches ..
[20:34] <ohsix> illmortal: if you have a question or problem, be specific
[20:34] <MrMist1> ohsix: http://paste.ubuntu.com/601444/
[20:34] <rgr> lol. The new definition of optimism!
[20:35] <argon> hello,draging windows in ubuntu  11.04 is very laggy. I'm using the nvidia drivers.. is this an knowen problem?
[20:35] <illmortal> just updated.. I can't even get Ubuntu to boot up unless I use, "previous" which.. still uses 11.04 <_< lol
[20:35] <ohsix> mikebot: mine needed a patch to back out changes, it was doing 2 finger heuristic detection and sending spurious right clicks
[20:35] <Josesordo> hello all
[20:35] <freeburn> my unity crashes every now and then
[20:35] <yfk> where is there a chromium-browser-l10n package?
[20:35] <freeburn> gnome works ok
[20:35] <icqn> luisgmarine, burn the cd again
[20:35] <bp0> argon, there is definitely a performance problem with nvidia drivers in 11.04
[20:35] <ActionParsnip> argon: if you disable compiz and use metacity, is it nicer?
[20:35] <Josesordo> I installed the new 11.04, and I need to install a ".run" file and I cant run it ... some help?
[20:35] <mikebot> ohsix: Uhhh...haha OK, I'm not following I guess; seems like there is no easy solution for me then
[20:35] <IdleOne> yfk: sudo apt-get install chromium-browser-l10n
[20:35] <gmachine_24> yfk: you want to install chromium?
[20:35] <ActionParsnip> !info chromium-browser-l10n
[20:35] <trijntje> How can I assign a mouse key to switch to another workspace?
[20:36] <luisgmarine> icqn: I have already 5 times.  First time was a the fastest speed, and went all the way down to the slowest speed my computer allows me and same thing ...
[20:36] <ohsix> MrMist1: the apm settings can affect how a drive chooses to spin down, the hdparm manual (man hdparm in a terminal) explains in what way
[20:36] <j0nr> ohsix: ok, giving it a go, thanks
[20:36] <yfk> IdleOne, gmachine_24, no. just wondering why the package exists...
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> yfk: make sure you have universe repo enabled
[20:36] <illmortal> also.. I can't right click my panel to remove it... 11.04 for some reason put an additional upper panel on my right screen.. and also put the app panel on the right screen and I can't move it.
[20:36] <beta____> Sorry, need to go...
[20:36] <gmachine_24> yfk: why it exists where
[20:36] <argon> actionParsnip : I'm not shure how to do this
[20:36] <Antilect> I love overclocking :D
[20:36] <Antilect> Addictive!
[20:36] <Antilect> Thrill sports xD
[20:36] <lapion> just upgraded to natty, made me Seasick.
[20:36] <logi01> Is there any way how to figure out why the new kernel freeze my system after login?
[20:36] <yfk> crap. wanted to ask why it exists. not where... sorry
[20:36] <ohsix> luisgmarine: you should probably report a bug about that
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> yfk: you can also add the chromium daily ppa and get the daily build
[20:36] <IdleOne> yfk: language support for chromium
[20:36] <beta____> try to search on Google, how to fix dns problem.. must be some forum/faq for that :)
[20:36] <illmortal> mine does the same logi.. i have to use previous installation
[20:36] <lapion> switched back to regular gnome
[20:36] <illmortal> then it loads up <_<;
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> argon: press aLT+F2 and run:  metacity --replace
[20:37] <rgr> chromium is highly recommended.
[20:37] <yfk> IdleOne, thanks. all the rest, sorry for the incoherence
[20:37] <ohsix> illmortal: the top bar in unity isn't a panel, it just looks like it
[20:37] <gmachine_24> yfk: you are asking my it is on your computer?
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> argon: instead of asking, you could have researched instead
[20:37] <Antilect> I just clocked a dead 1.66GHz to 3.0GHz and it's stable :D
[20:37] <illmortal> ick...
[20:37] <avinash> beta____, sure thanks for the help buddy
[20:37] <arkanabar> what gtk apps for adjusting mouse acceleration are available for 11.04?  lxinput stopped working after upgrade to natty
[20:37] <Antilect> Like a warmachine on caffeine.
[20:37] <luisgmarine> ohsix: :\  you think getting the LTS version might fix it/break it?
[20:37] <gmachine_24> I meant why
[20:37] <ohsix> rgr: recommended by who? recommended packages are installed by default
[20:37] <beta____> no
[20:37] <beta____> np
[20:37] <beta____> bye
[20:37] <lapion> logi01, check if your sound card works correctly by playing some music in single user mode
[20:37] <rgr> ActionParsnip: be careful. The anti google brethren are here in num,bers - even when you provide the actual searhc string which shows how to get the information.
[20:37] <ohsix> luisgmarine: i can't speak to that, but it should be reported :] then it can be fixed, you're more than welcome to try other spins of the cd to see if it's broken
[20:37] <gmachine_24> Antilect: how do you overclock
[20:37] <lapion> or maintenance mode
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> rgr: yeah its a big annoyance :(
[20:38] <ohsix> rgr: if you need to provide someone with a specific page in a google result, provide the page; even if it is the top or only result for you, it will not be for other people
[20:38] <Antilect> gmachine_24 good sense, a lot of nice fans, and solid knowledge gathered from other peoples trial and horrors :D
[20:38] <deutscher> la bussola d'oro
[20:38] <LjL> ActionParsnip: why shouldn't they have asked?
[20:38] <Josesordo> how to open a ".run" file in Ubuntu 11.04? .. please..help
[20:38] <Antilect> (and I'm not talking about fan fans, but fans)
[20:38] <luisgmarine> yeah that's what I'm thinking.  I'm going to go give the LTS a try and see what the deal is, then I'll go and report a bug.  I just want to make sure it's not something hardware related.
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: why is firefox recommended over chromium, or for that fact any other browser?
[20:38] <rgr> really is. I gave the search string to and the link to a really good ssh tutorial and got threatened with banning.
[20:38] <icqn> luisgmarine, ok, then it does not seem to be fine, was it the same cd all the time? well try to create a bootable usb, if your system supports that?
[20:38] <ikonia> Josesordo: same as every other distro, it's just an executable, run it
[20:38] <gmachine_24> Antilect: not fan fan fans?
[20:39] <rgr> Its not. Chromium is very very good on Linux systems.
[20:39] <LjL> !ot
[20:39] <gmachine_24> Chromium rocks
[20:39] <luisgmarine> icqn: I don't have a USB stick available ... but let me see if I can find one
[20:39] <ActionParsnip> LjL: if someone gives direction then users can use that to aid research rather than _immediately_ asking for additional information
[20:39] <rgr> ohsix is also the man who claimed that xorg.conf is obsolete.
[20:39]  * arkanabar likes chromium pretty well
[20:39] <argon> actionparsnip: better performance with metacity, bu no effects and the Unity bar is gone
[20:39] <MrMist1> ohsix: Any idea? I seriously don't think this is the drive, since the -S parameter works fine..
[20:39] <ikonia> rgr: enough now - please stop it
[20:39] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: because one is supported, it's not an opinion; what rgr stated was an opinion held possibly only by himself and he should say as much
[20:39] <rgr> chromium is fast ans good keyboard UI.
[20:39] <LjL> ActionParsnip: or they can ask a quick question that has a very quick answer.
[20:39] <ohsix> rgr: it is no claim, it's for exceptions and you should never want for or have to change it, if you do, it's a bug
[20:39] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: chromium is in the repo so is equally supported as firefox...
[20:39] <Josesordo> ikonia, well in this ubuntu 11.04 not.. it run in gedit.. lol
[20:39] <rgr> running chromium on ubuntu is on topic.
[20:39] <illmortal> hmm... this new update threw my compiz/emerald off too
[20:39] <Josesordo> ikonia, I mean.. when I double click it ..
[20:40] <ikonia> ohsix: let it go please
[20:40] <logi01> lapion: what is "single user mode"? My system shortly freeze after login
[20:40] <rgr> staing its not as supported as firefox is simply wrong.
[20:40] <LjL> !ot | rgr, ohsix, please, the merits of Chromium are outside of the scope here
[20:40] <ikonia> Josesordo: run it from a terminal
[20:40] <ActionParsnip> LjL: either wayif users can be more autonomous, it helps a lot
[20:40] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: don't go off on the weeds, i meant something specific when i said supported, you took it to mean as it just being in the repos
[20:40] <ikonia> guys - enough now, please.
[20:40] <Josesordo> ikonia, ok that Im trying to do..but forgot the command.. I have the terminal open right now..
[20:40] <ikonia> Josesordo: ./filename.run
[20:40] <Antilect> gmachine_24 no seriously
[20:40] <Antilect> I don't have any fans :D
[20:40] <rgr> LjL: the subject si about installing chromium on Ubuntu. Please try and read the thread with all due respect. I am correcting his staement that chromium is not supported properly. It is not true.
[20:40] <ohsix> rgr: that isn't what i said, i'm sorry we have different definitions of supported
[20:40] <lapion> logi01, safe mode in the grub menu
[20:41] <ikonia> Josesordo: what are you trying to install ?
[20:41] <rgr> brb
[20:41] <stravant> ohsix: Yea, it's definitely that bug, plugging my headphones into the back panel (Thank god they have an unusually long lead), makes it work fine. I'll post my case to it
[20:41] <Antilect> The kind I want, but the other kind, I have in abundance D:
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: thats exactly what supported here means, it is in the official ubuntu repos, so again, why is firefox recommended and chromium not (as you say)?
[20:41] <lapion> logi01, at boot depress both the shift and the alt keys so that you get the grub menu..
[20:41] <Josesordo> ikonia, this --> ati-driver-installer-11-4-x86.x86_64.run
[20:41] <ohsix> stravant: there's apparently a mixer control available to alsa to toggle the mute logic off; and make the outputs act independently too
[20:41] <LjL> Chromium is in Universe, Firefox is in Main, for the record. Firefox is more supported than Chrome.
[20:41] <LjL> *ium.
[20:41] <ikonia> Josesordo: why are you trying to install ati drivers ? there are supported ones in the "hardware drivers" tool
[20:41] <reprapperMC> Is there a specific channel for wireless issues with Ubuntu?
[20:41] <mick_home> hi everyone, I have a really weird issue where google searches seem to be intercepted
[20:41] <illmortal> Anyone know if the new update has thrown compiz into a whacky mode?
[20:41] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: that's not what it means, but i think LjL just settled it enough for my purposes
[20:41] <LjL> reprapperMC: no
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> LjL: they are equally supported dude
[20:41] <ohsix> LjL: thanks
[20:42] <LjL> ActionParsnip: no
[20:42] <ikonia> reprapperMC: here is fine
[20:42] <mick_home> like as if my dns was cache poisoned
[20:42] <econdudeawesome> Howdy! 11.04 is giving me some issues with flash
[20:42] <LjL> ActionParsnip: stuff in Main is supported by Canonical, stuff in Universe is supported by the community.
[20:42] <econdudeawesome> is anyone else havingt his problem?
[20:42] <mongy> isnt chromium updated as chromium devs update it....
[20:42] <gmachine_24> stop bickering about chromium vs firefox or GET A ROOM
[20:42] <phibxr> when I make a custom launcher entry in alacarte and give it an icon, why does it show up as a ?-mark in the launcher while the icon is visible in the dash?
[20:42] <johndoe_> anyone problems with moving windows since 11.04 upgrade?
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> LjL: yes, and WE are the community, so we support both
[20:42] <Josesordo> ikonia, in ubuntu 10.04 .. I believe was better install the propietary drivers.. dont know, what do you think?
[20:42] <mick_home> qbert_: is flo.bellsouth short for floriida?
[20:42] <lapion> I am unable to activate bluetooth on 2 laptops..
[20:42] <siva> helo how to shift close,minimise button of a pgm window to right side?
[20:42] <siva> on ub11.04
[20:43] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: you don't set Recommends on ubuntu-desktop and upload the package though ...
[20:43] <LjL> ActionParsnip: they're nevertheless not "equally supported", sorry. but we can continue this on #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:43] <Blue1> Josesordo: yeah the old legacy mode drivers were in 10.04 - removed in 10.10
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> econdudeawesome: can you give the output of:   uname -a; lsb_release -a; dpkg -l | grep flash; dpkg -l | grep gnash; dpkg -l | grep swf
[20:43] <Josesordo> ikonia, or in this install driver tool it will be install the same driver?
[20:43] <argon> actionParsnip : howto switch back to compiz, i can't research now because unity is gone
[20:43] <reprapperMC> ok,...I'm using 11.04 with a TP-link TL-WN727n. I've got it connected and can load web pages. However, the connection is very slow.
[20:43] <lapion> at least on one of the two laptops it took several attempts before bluetooth could be activated
[20:43] <ikonia> Josesordo: it will install the ubuntu recommended/supported ones
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> argon: press ALT+F2 and run:  compiz --replace
[20:43] <Josesordo> ikonia, ahh ok.. lets see then.. Thanks a lot!!
[20:43] <arnab> ls -ltr
[20:44] <argon> actionParsnip : alt + f2 -> nothing happens
[20:44] <Goliath> hey i have the last ubuntu. what is the command to install kde?
[20:44] <neothecat> hello.  i just updated to 11.04, and now when i boot, i get "VFS: Cannot open root device "sda2" or unknown-block(0,0)", then Kernel panic - not syncing.  this is the same partition my 10.04 was on, and the grub config looks correct...
[20:44] <econdudeawesome> http://pastebin.com/CVqrFHH1
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> argon: then run it from a terminal
[20:44] <econdudeawesome> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/CVqrFHH1
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: so if a user asks for support for chromium-browser package then it will get the same level of support as firefox gets
[20:44] <rodger_nc> just installed 11.04 and am unable to run unity also I get a message "over drive" on boot but then it seems to reset and Ubutu loads. Any ideas how to fix?  Sceptre LCD 60Hz not certain what the graphics card is...
[20:44] <Edd> hello, i upgraded from maverick to natty , everything was done gr8, after reboot i couldnt boot in, i got a shell window login
[20:44] <oldos2er> Goliath: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:44] <LjL> ActionParsnip: yes, that's correct as far as this channel goes
[20:44] <Josesordo> ikonia, ahh another question.. I tried to run the google chrome installer (a .deb file) and dont open like old distro now.. why?
[20:45] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: that doesn't mean it's in main, and it doesn't mean it's "highly recommended" by anyone but rgr, #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> LjL: thats sad
[20:45] <Blue1> rodger_nc: lspci | grep VGA
[20:45] <illmortal> i'm gonna take a screen shot of what's going on with my desktop.. It's like deteriorating
[20:45] <norixy> Hi there.
[20:45] <ikonia> Josesordo: depends if it's for that version, however you should look in the repos for packages rather than installing external pacakges
[20:45] <norixy> hello pablo_ :)
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> ljl: that's alomost like forcing users to use firefox as they are using a 'lesser' browser
[20:45] <gmachine_24> norixy please ask a question
[20:45] <norixy> heyho crazyrohila :)
[20:46] <norixy> hello mehz ;)
[20:46] <malv> does anyone know why when I middle click in firefox4 2-3 tabs come up?
[20:46] <norixy> heyho malv
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> econdudeawesome: sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-installer     does it remove it?
[20:46] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: you really just need to ask yourself, are you supporting ubuntu or all the things people can run on ubuntu; if the latter you have an unbounded set, much like backtrack isn't a supported variant, people would rather know the former well and tell people how to use what is supported, to keep the possibilities small
[20:46] <arnab> how can i get text only interface in ubuntu?
[20:46] <LjL> ActionParsnip: what? i said this channel DOES provide the same support for Chromium as for Firefox
[20:46] <gmachine_24> norixy: enough with the hellos
[20:46] <malv> hi
[20:46] <norixy> heyho cadmium :)
[20:46] <gmachine_24> good grief
[20:46] <norixy> hey Castor__
[20:46] <LjL> ohsix: Universe is a bounded set
[20:46] <Edd> any1 ?
[20:46] <ohsix> LjL: i meant things outside of universe, not this particular discussion in general; the overarching one
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: I support the ALL package which are in the official repos, simple. I don't rank them because one is in a different repo, thats just pathetic
[20:46] <rodger_nc> Blue1:  nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)
[20:46] <Edd> i upgraded from maverick to natty , everything was done gr8, after reboot i couldnt boot in, i got a shell window login
[20:46] <lapion> since upgrade to natty It's difficult to activate bluetooth on 2 laptops..
[20:46] <LjL> ohsix: ok
[20:47] <Somelauw> Hi, how on earth do I kill the graphical version of bsh?
[20:47] <Edd> and i got the same error after a fresh installation for 11.04
[20:47] <ohsix> LjL: certainly people can also draw the line at main / universe ... but i don't; just minimal support for doing stupid things :]
[20:47] <arnab> that's exactly what i want
[20:47] <arnab> how can i get a shell window login in ubuntu?
[20:47] <Somelauw> Its name doesn't show up in top.
[20:47] <arnab> i have natty but i still get                                                                                gui
[20:47] <oldos2er> Edd: have you tried 'startx' ?
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> LjL:so both are equally supported
[20:47] <Edd> i dont get gui
[20:47] <Somelauw> arnab: ctrl + alt + F1 shows tty.
[20:47] <Josesordo> ikonia, ahh ok..anyways I installed the chromium.. seems similar =)
[20:47] <Edd> oldos2er yes i did
[20:47] <Blue1> rodger_nc: that card is well supported in previous versions (it's what I have here) i am runint 10.10 with no issues, but I have read of severe nividia problems with 11.04 -- as always ymmv applies.
[20:47] <Edd> it says i should install xinist pkg
[20:48] <Somelauw> and ctrl + alt + f7 to get back
[20:48] <lapion> arnab, tried ctrl-alt-f1
[20:48] <oldos2er> Edd: what happens? What video card do you have?
[20:48] <Edd> intel oldos2er
[20:48] <illmortal> Can someone tell me why I have the white upper border on my desktop.. going across both my screens as well as that start menu panel on the right side?... I'd like to remove the panel on the left screen. then just slide the right panel to the left screen: http://tinypic.com/r/rkc1ef/7
[20:48] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: i was talking about things like teamviewer, which are recommended to be used a lot; but aren't in the repos, i won't help them do it
[20:48] <ahmed_> hello
[20:49] <arnab> thanks it worked - ctrl+alt+f7 also brought me back :)
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: the main part there is "but aren't in the repos". I only support apps in the official repos here, both chromium and firefox are in the official repos, so they both getequal support
[20:49] <econdudeawesome> ActionParsnip: it failed on me
[20:49] <oldos2er> Edd: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-video-intel
[20:49] <gmachine_24> illmortal: the pics on tinypic look fine to me
[20:49] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: as LjL said the distinction between main / universe may not matter here; but i was speaking of "support" with the package, and that does involve where it is in the repos
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> econdudeawesome: can you pastebin the result please
[20:49] <rodger_nc> Blue1: yep - it worked without a hitch in 10.x but then Unity wasn't the default GUI ...
[20:49] <rich> #ubuntustudio
[20:49] <Somelauw> Can someone please give me advice how to kill xbsh?
[20:49] <hw> hey everyone, I am stumped on an issue... google isnt my friend today
[20:50] <Edd> oldos2er i will and get back to u if it works
[20:50] <astro73|derrial> just upgraded my ubuntu, and it seems that my GeForce GT 430 isn't be used by X at all, just using the on-board intel. Enabling the nvidia driver broke  3d acceleration on the intel.
[20:50] <illmortal> huh? how gmachine_24 my start menu is missing images if that makes any sense
[20:50] <oldos2er> Edd: you'll need to use sudo
[20:50] <Josesordo> How to change the background in login screen in Ubuntu 11.04?... Please
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: the community supports the universe repos, as LjL said, we ARE the community and so we support both equally
[20:50] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: i "support" both, but that was never the sense of the word that i was using, we should take this to message if you have anything further
[20:50] <illmortal> start menu buttons*
[20:50] <econdudeawesome> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/jdsX7BZ5
[20:50] <Edd> yea sure i will
[20:50] <Somelauw> I already tried killal xbsh
[20:50] <Edd> brb
[20:50] <hw> when I log into this ubuntu 10.04.2 lts box it says I have a bunch of updates.... but when I run apt-get update or upgrade, it says zero upgraded...
[20:50] <gmachine_24> illmortal: sorry, when I made the images bigger and looked at the 'raw' image I see what you mean. And I don't have an answer.
[20:50] <MrMist1> ohsix: man hdparm doesn't say anything about apm. Do you mean that hdparm.conf demands other set values of the disks APM-parameter than the hdparm -y/hdparm -S commands?
[20:50] <hw> anyone have any ideas?
[20:51] <illmortal> boo..
[20:51] <rgr> ActionParsnip: agreed. + until FF4 Chromium browser was far suprioer in terms of css compliance, speed and keyboard navigation. I recommend it over FF as a general rule.
[20:51] <iceroot> hw: does it say "hold"? you have to use dist-upgrade to get all updates
[20:51] <illmortal> and i thought right clicking on the desktop.. gave you the option to, "refresh" your desktop?
[20:51] <LinuxHack3r> How can I add a "custom" resolution to xorg.conf? I need 1280x1024
[20:51] <Omega> hw: did you try sudo apt-get update and then upgrade?
[20:51] <tasslehoff> anyone running ubuntu on a macbook pro that can tell me how they choose 3d level on the keyboard?
[20:51] <hw> yea, I am in as root
[20:51] <Goliath> hey how can i make windows appear as a choice in grub boot menu?
[20:51] <ohsix> MrMist1: press /-B and hit enter in the manual viewer; it will take you right to it
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> rgr: i support both, I mainly uses arora these days personally as I have branched out and researched into other browsers :)
[20:52] <iceroot> LinuxHack3r: first try if it is working, "xrandr -s 1280x1024"
[20:52] <ohsix> rgr: in your opinion, be clear
[20:52] <LjL> ActionParsnip, rgr, ohsix: would you join -ops for a minute, i'd like to talk about this without bothering the people here any further
[20:52] <rgr> Goliath: "run sudo update-grub" and hope for the best
[20:52] <Omega> rgr: Don't spread untruths. Chromium wasn't and isn't more accessible.
[20:52] <iceroot> LinuxHack3r: xrandr -q  is showing you what your card/monitor supports
[20:52] <welaunchit> How on earth do I close a bug report on launchpad? I can see where I can choose between the various statuses, but not how to close it altogether.
[20:52] <eamon> whats 3d level?
[20:52] <rgr> Omega: sorry? I never said it was.
[20:52] <Goliath> rgr: dont i need to edit some config?
[20:52] <illmortal> Omega... it seems to handle Flash better than Firefox.
[20:52] <rgr> Goliath: probably not.
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> econdudeawesome: what is the output of: fuser -v /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[20:52] <Omega> rgr: "keyboard navigation"
[20:52] <rgr> I recently dit and got win 7 back just fine.
[20:53] <illmortal> but it doesn't support html short cuts like CTRL+B = Bold code :(
[20:53] <erkan^> When I open URL (http) for her, than i see the startpagina for firefox, how can that?
[20:53] <LinuxHack3r> iceroot: But the thing is...I am using a vga monitor to my dvi card using an adapter...and it doesn't detect the "default" of 1280x1024...
[20:53] <rgr> Omega: keyboard navigation <> acessibility.
[20:53] <pabloice> c'è qualcuno??
[20:53] <pabloice> mi potete aiutare
[20:53] <LjL> !it | pabloice
[20:53] <Omega> rgr: What I'm trying to say is, it's not more keyboard friendly.
[20:53] <root_> help me !!my unity not working after i messed with ldxm/gdm and lightdm
[20:53] <econdudeawesome> ActionParsnip: nothing. No output
[20:54] <Omega> root_: What did you do?
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> econdudeawesome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debconf/+bug/349469   has a fix, I've not used it. I suggest youo MOVE the files instead of deleting
[20:54] <LinuxHack3r> iceroot: I need to know what line to add to xorg.conf for that resolution, I've done it before but I cannot remember exactly what it is...
[20:54] <root_> have to type gksu unity for dispalying panal auncer
[20:54] <Goliath> rgr: strange thing i did that and when i choose windows on boot i get a black screen
[20:54] <Goliath> any idea?
[20:54] <rgr> Omega: not my finding but if you dont think so you're entitled to that. I dont wish to talk about chromium vd firefox. My only real comment was to correct that claim that FF is better supported for Ubuntu.
[20:55] <econdudeawesome> ActionParsnip: What does this mean?
[20:55] <MattC> I am having an issue regarding installing ubuntu...
[20:55] <Omega> rgr: This wasn't about firefox vs. chromium. My only real comment was to correct that claim that chromium is more keyboard friendly and more CSS compliant.
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> econdudeawesome: read the bug, instead of deleting as the text says, move the files. This gives a rollback path
[20:55] <MattC> I downloaded the CD from the website,
[20:55] <lapion> if you are having problems enabling bluetooth, just use the init script..
[20:55] <MattC> and used it to install.
[20:56] <Omega> rgr: I think we should leave it at that, we're getting in the way of helping users :)
[20:56] <sam-_-> Omega: how is this related to ubuntu?
[20:56] <logi01> lapion: my sound works with the new kernel in safe mode. But when i login with any other mode it freeze :/
[20:56] <lapion> sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart
[20:56] <MattC> once the installation was done
[20:56] <Omega> sam-_-: See my previous comment.
[20:56] <gmachine_24> MattC: Please tell us what the problem is and which version of Ubuntu, etc.
[20:56] <mongy> remind me never to tick "install 3rd party software" during install while still in the first few days of release.. 2 hours later, thanks to people hammering the servers :(
[20:56] <lapion> I have to go afk sorry logi01
[20:56] <econdudeawesome> ActionParsnip: Where do I go to read the fix? I apologize for pestering, I've just never worked a fix/workaound in this way
[20:56] <Blue1> lapion: sudo service bluetooth restart is a tad easier
[20:56] <vantage> rgr: Is there a bug for the display freezing on the daru2 anywhere?  Is it display driver specific?
[20:56] <Omega> sam-_-: not misinforming users is a big part of being professional, no?
[20:56] <MattC> it asked me to remove the CD so it could re-boot.
[20:56] <logi01> lapion: ok thx
[20:57] <iceroot> LinuxHack3r: http://pastebin.com/RrQbiayr
[20:57] <mza> hi all. Ubuntu 10.04 an unity is realy great
[20:57] <MattC> so after I did, and it rebooted, it just sat there.
[20:57] <lapion> bluethanks Blue1
[20:57] <Blue1> mza: huh?
[20:57] <sam-_-> mza: 10.04 or 11.04?
[20:57] <MrMist1> ohsix: Well... interesting thing this. I'm trying to set the APM value by using hdparm.conf, but the hdparm -I command still returns 254
[20:57] <mza> sam :)
[20:57] <gmachine_24> MattC: which version of Ubuntu?
[20:57] <mza> i was wrong
[20:57] <MattC> after going thru the POST screen
[20:57] <mza> 11.04 :P
[20:57] <Mjiig> 'lo everyone, anyone know how i can reorder items in the unity side bar. nothing i try does anything...
[20:58] <gmachine_24> MattC: You might try turning the computer off completely and restarting it.
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> econdudeawesome: in the link I gave, read it
[20:58] <ohsix> MrMist1: seagate drives can be pretty weird
[20:58] <gmachine_24> I know it sounds silly, .... but sometimes that does it
[20:58] <MattC> @gmachine_24: 11.04
[20:58] <mza> anyway, anybody knows if unity is "free" enough and maybe will be aviable for other distros ?
[20:58] <MrMist1> ohsix: It worked on 10.04
[20:58] <Blue1> mza: no
[20:58] <ohsix> MrMist1: you need to set your options with hdparm initially, if you want to check immediately if they take effect
[20:58] <gmachine_24> MattC: do you have any other installs on your hard drive?
[20:59] <hihihi100> all my workspaces appear as "workspace 1", shouldnt they be numbered?
[20:59] <MattC> no
[20:59] <squidly> does anyone know a softphone that that works with broadvoice?
[20:59] <illmortal> anyone know how I can remove my upper panels? It's flaking out on me.
[20:59] <ohsix> MrMist1: to test my hdparm.conf changes i just unplugged and replugged in my power cord on my laptop, that isn't practical for everyone and you can still run the power script manually to apply them immediately
[20:59] <gmachine_24> MattC: did you shut the computer off and restart it?
[20:59] <MattC> many times,
[20:59] <gmachine_24> MattC: ok
[20:59] <ohsix> MrMist1: but best practice, set manually with hdparm, then migrate your settings to be applied to hdparm.conf; and to note that hdparm.conf has settings for when it's on battery and when it isn't
[21:00] <hihihi100> am I the only one that can use internet with tor on after the upgrade?
[21:00] <j0nr> ohsix: ok, so i did apt-get install <that backports package> and rebooted... should I be doing anything else?
[21:00] <econdudeawesome> Sorry ActionParsnip had to relogin
[21:00] <hihihi100> am I the only one that can use internet ONLY with tor on after the upgrade?
[21:00] <iceroot> mza: unity is published with lgpl
[21:00] <gmachine_24> MattC: I don't know what to tell you. Did you check hardware compatibility? Were you running an earlier version of Ubuntu before 11.04? If so, which one?
[21:01] <dustin_> If I upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 will it remove my custom desktop(gnome panels with plasma work area) and switch it to unity?
[21:01] <MrMist1> ohsix: Hey.. I'm not doing anything more than "hdparm -S 32". And voila, it works. Then I set hdparm.conf to /dev/sdd { spindown_time = 32 }, and it's not working
[21:01] <mza> well, i start to like unity alot. is there any flamewar out ther about unity and gnome3?
[21:01] <MrMist1> I haven't done ANYTHING else with HDparm
[21:01] <sakuramboo> ive installed a few games, but they do not show up in the games menu in unity, is there a way to manually add them?
[21:01] <iceroot> dustin_: not remove, just not used by default
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> econdudeawesome: no worries
[21:01] <mza> google is my friend
[21:01] <iceroot> mza: #ubuntu-offtopic, #gnome
[21:01] <iceroot> mza: and yes there is but this is not the right place for that
[21:02] <econdudeawesome> ActionParsnip: So what is the next step then? The bug you showed me seems to show that my config/dat file was locked before upgrade? Am I understanding this right?
[21:02] <gmachine_24> uhmm.... what is flameware?
[21:02] <mza> yes you are right iceroot.
[21:02] <mjn> squidly, freeswitch?
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> econdudeawesome: the bug fix apparently is the move the files out of the folder and run a command, its on the bug
[21:02] <gmachine_24> ok nm
[21:02] <ohsix> MrMist1: i dont' know what to say, i'm using 11.04 and it works here, let me triple check right now
[21:03] <squidly> mjn: is that a package?
[21:03] <econdudeawesome> ActionParsnip: files out of the debconf folder? Will they respawn?
[21:03] <ohsix> MrMist1: they are being applied here
[21:03] <MrMist1> ohsix: How can you see? By hdparm -I ?
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> econdudeawesome: assumedly so, I advise you move them so you can move them back if you get issue
[21:04] <enav> do you guys know an alternative to NO-IP client for Ubuntu desktop ?   because NO-IP is hard to install
[21:04] <ohsix> my apm level switches between 254 & 128 on ac and off, like i set, and my AAM level is statically set to 128, as i also desire and put in hdparm.conf
[21:04] <ohsix> MrMist1: yep, hdparm -I
[21:04] <econdudeawesome> k
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> enav: noip2
[21:04] <Guest99294> ro
[21:04] <enav> ActionParsnip: hi bro long time no see you
[21:04] <Guest99294> ?
[21:04] <MrMist1> ohsix: Hmm... strange
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> enav: howdy
[21:04] <enav> ActionParsnip: dude you are always here... i see u really love this cahnnel!!!
[21:04] <astro73> what's the best place to get support for nvidia cards?
[21:04] <eamon> hello
[21:05] <eamon> astra05: nvidia forums
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> enav: its fun
[21:05] <rgr> if you find noip hard then I suspect using it wont be that much of a benefit since its not foolproof and can have substantial performance impacts.
[21:05] <econdudeawesome> ActionParsnip: after I take the files out, what do I do?
[21:05] <ProfessorBacon> i can't get used to unity
[21:05] <enav> ActionParsnip: hahah   well i will cehck the noip2 thingy
[21:05] <div-0> hi
[21:05] <MrMist1> ohsix: Is there any way to detect that the script is actually being run during boot?
[21:05] <ProfessorBacon> i feel lost when i'm trying to figure out what applications i have open
[21:05] <eamon> hi div-0
[21:05] <rgr> you can still use htop ;)
[21:06] <ohsix> MrMist1: well it's run during power events, which as far as i know is at least once during boot
[21:06] <gmachine_24> astro73: I might have missed your earlier posts, but you checked for software versions for Nvidia?
[21:06] <div-0> i have a problem with the installation of ubuntu on my laptop. (described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1742929&highlight=1520 )
[21:06] <econdudeawesome> ActionParsnip: ah, found it
[21:06] <eamon> MrMist1: you could put "echo "IT'S WORKING!!!!!!!!!"" in the script
[21:06] <avinash> schnuffle, thanks man .. adding nameserver <router ip> helped .. thanks very much ..
[21:06] <div-0> now i tried to follow "dinos" instructions, but i cant find a xorg.conf file in my /etc directory, any ideas?
[21:06] <rgr> div-0: does grub not already have a failsafe entry for you?
[21:06] <econdudeawesome> ActionParsnip: same error when I run sudo apt-get install -f
[21:06] <gmachine_24> astro73: under administration>additional drivers?
[21:06] <eamon> div-0 try /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:07] <rgr> div-0: its not in /etc thats why
[21:07] <theclaw> there seems to be something wrong with my gnome setup. when I log in, "gnome-settings-manager" is there twice, and I get the error in .xsession-errors "You can only run one xsettings manager at a time; exiting" - any idea?
[21:07] <rgr> /etc/X11
[21:07] <theclaw> with a new user, everything works
[21:07] <div-0> eamon: yes i looked there
[21:07] <rgr> look up sgfxi too
[21:07] <div-0> there is no xorg.conf
[21:07] <eamon> div-0: make one
[21:07] <black_> quit
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> econdudeawesome: ok have the files been recreated?
[21:07] <rgr> yes, its a half arsed move to not needing one. many people do.
[21:07] <div-0> eamon: how? just a blank file?
[21:07] <eamon> yes
[21:07] <eamon> normal text file
[21:08] <rgr> sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf but that wont help one iota.
[21:08] <MrMist1> ohsix: I'm running a "ubuntu-server" machine... don't know it that matters. I've also got the disks mounted via fstab... but I still want them to spin down
[21:08] <anonymity> anyone available to answer some questions about networking and Ubuntu?
[21:08] <econdudeawesome> ActionParsnip: some of them. Not all of them. And I can no longer sudo...
[21:08] <rgr> anonymity: just ask
[21:08] <eamon> !ask ¦ anonymity
[21:08] <econdudeawesome> rather, sudo nautlius
[21:08] <rgr> oh god...
[21:09] <ohsix> MrMist1: oh, i dont think it does, but acpi power events might not run on the server version, i do not know
[21:09] <eamon> !details ¦ anonymity
[21:09] <kjxl9> hey
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> econdudeawesome: then you may need to boot to root recovery mode and copy back if you have not an interactive sudo going
[21:09] <eamon> !details
[21:09] <eamon> !ask
[21:09] <rgr> MrMist1: why do you want to spin your disks down out of curiosity?
[21:10] <div-0> rgr, eamon: ok thx, not sure that an empty file does much
[21:10] <div-0> :)
[21:10] <rgr> div-0: it doesnt. it was a silyl thing to recommend.
[21:10] <ohsix> rgr: do not suggest people use sgfxi, _someone_ has to clean up the mess afterwards, if that someone is you, tell them in private, but not here
[21:10] <rgr> what card?
[21:10] <kjxl9> is there a package that has drivers that deal with ps3 controllers?
[21:10] <arrrghhh> rgr, and now it's "fast" again.  2.2MB/s... I don't get it, nothing changed other than the client reboot.
[21:10] <eamon> div-0: you'll want to add whatever that guide is telling you to add to that file
[21:10] <div-0> rgr: nvidia GT8600M GT
[21:10] <rgr> arrrghhh: best not to question nfs ;)
[21:11] <helo_> anyone else think that unity is awesome?
[21:11] <rgr> div-0: did you run nvidia-settings?
[21:11] <arrrghhh> rgr, samba has problems too it seems... usually NFS is better.
[21:11] <rgr> pr sgfxi?
[21:11] <_Mr_Proper_> Bah, Bombono just gave me corrupted data.. Can anyone recommend a decent dvd burner for ubuntu?
[21:11] <arrrghhh> !ot | helo_, this room is for support not for chat.
[21:11] <_Mr_Proper_> (Don't want all the KDE stuff thats prereq for k3b)
[21:11] <helo_> ehh
[21:11] <div-0> rgr: i cant run that, i cant read a thing on that installation. im currently online with a lubuntu 10.10 livecd so that i can go online, and mount the wubi root.disk image
[21:11] <eamon> rgr: why is it silly to recommend to make an xorg.conf file?
[21:12] <helo_> it sure was the place to complain about unity yesterday, but ok :)
[21:12] <ayrton> i updated my ubuntu to 11.04 but i think i got the netbook version,
[21:12] <rgr> arrrghhh: dont join the net nannying spammers please ...
[21:12] <kjxl9> is there a package that has drivers that deal with ps3 controllers?
[21:12] <ayrton> how do i change it to desktop
[21:12] <gmachine_24> _Mr_Proper_: I pretty much use anything and it works.
[21:12] <eamon> kjxl9: the drivers are in the kernel
[21:12] <arrrghhh> rgr, he was asking something that was highly opinionated...
[21:12] <rgr> kjxl9: http://www.ehow.com/how_7729420_use-ps3-controller-ubuntu.html
[21:12] <_Mr_Proper_> Got a warning about corrupt data this time, and it wont open on any machines.. Perhaps I should reduce the burn speed manually
[21:12] <arrrghhh> pretty sure i'm not a 'net nannying spammer', thanks.
[21:12] <rgr> very hard to find..
[21:13] <LjL> rgr: offtopic is offtopic, please don't discourage people from telling others where the appropriate place to discuss something is.
[21:13] <Galvatron> ayrton: First of all, chceck if there are some options like "Classic" or "GNOME" in the session menu of login screen.
[21:13] <gmachine_24> _Mr_Proper_: I use CLI for burning CDs and DVDs and making iso files, etc. seems to be the easiest, fastest and most reliable
[21:13] <eamon> rgr: why do you say that making an xorg.conf file is silly?
[21:13] <rgr> arrrghhh: well, you just came back to say nfs was working. He just came back to say unity was working. I fail to see why you "botted" him. IMO theres too much of that in response to perfectly good and on topic answers.
[21:14] <rgr> anywy glad its working. brb-
[21:14] <gmachine_24> _Mr_Proper_: you got a corrupt data error when?
[21:14] <arrrghhh> i'm kinda mad a reboot was the fix, but whatever.  i guess i don't need to troubleshoot it any further...
[21:14] <pumeust> gnu ddrescue manual says 'never try to rescue a r/w mounted partition'. how do i know if a partition is r/w so i can avoid this?
[21:14] <kjxl9> eamon, so i dont have to download any packages?
[21:14] <MrMist1> ohsix: rgr: Simple, really. I've got three drives. One for the OS.  The second drive contains home folders (samba shared). They're being used maybe once or twice a day. To have the disk spinning all the time is a waste of energy, and it's noisy. The third drive is the backup drive. I'm going to script it to copy drive 2 once every night. It's never being used for anything else. Hence, two of the drives should be spun down.
[21:14] <Galvatron> _Mr_Proper_: I' also read that the default Ubuntu burning backend - "wodim" - is kinda problematic, and oerally not too good, and so it's better to install "cdrtools" from a PPA.
[21:15] <guntbert> pumeust: type mount and look at the output
[21:15] <helo_> i can't get my bcm4306 v 3 to work with ndiswrapper... it worked in 10.10, but now ndiswrapper -l says "alternate driver ssb" even though ssb is blacklisted, removed from initramfs, and not even loaded
[21:15] <_Mr_Proper_> gmachine_24, Galvatron, thanks
[21:15] <_Mr_Proper_> gmachine_24, Bombono popped it up after the burn was meant to be complete
[21:15] <ohsix> MrMist1: you need not give me any justification, and wasn't your problem that it wasn't being applied?
[21:15] <econdudeawesome> ActionParsnip: I am still having the same issue--nspluginwrapper and adobe-installer are not installing
[21:16] <Galvatron> _Mr_Proper_: Tou might also try getting rid of wodim.
[21:16] <gmachine_24> _Mr_Proper_: I use wodim without a problem.
[21:16] <hihihi100> i can see the log while my machine boots, like the whole screen was a terminal, how do I get a better looking screen during booting? its before I am asked to choose a user and password
[21:16] <gmachine_24> _Mr_Proper_: what burning software were you using?
[21:16] <MrMist1> ohsix: Yeah, it was meant for the other guy. I just wanted to tell you as well :) He wondered why I needed to spin them down :)
[21:16] <_Mr_Proper_> gmachine_24, Bombono DVD from the repo
[21:17] <ohsix> MrMist1: well, unless you want to waste your time, let him wonder; let me poke around a bit
[21:17] <Edd> im having trouble installing natty
[21:17] <Galvatron> _Mr_Proper_: Try things like Brasero, Gnome Baker or K3B
[21:17] <KatronixSerf> Hi all, before Natty came out officially I was running Beta 2 of it, I should be able to upgrade to the full version right?
[21:17] <gmachine_24> _Mr_Proper_: ahh, see, I have not used that. any of the GUI cd/dvd burning programs have been a problem for me
[21:17] <ohsix> MrMist1: ok didn't have to look much! udev applies hdparm settings when drives show up, so it should apply at boot
[21:17] <pumeust> guntbert, thanks. so what do i do if i have a r/w mount partition i want to resuce?
[21:17] <gmachine_24> _Mr_Proper_: which is why I stick with the command line
[21:18] <div-0> is there a way to install the nivida drivers by just mounting the ubuntu partition from another system?
[21:18] <Galvatron> _Mr_Proper_: Of course, K3B is not exactly recommended for GNOME as installing it means a mess with downloading a lot of KDE components.
[21:18] <ohsix> MrMist1: barring udev not working, or you not using an intitramfs or some other odd special situation you've created for yourself, it should work
[21:18] <MrMist1> ohsix: I've changed the script /lib/udev/hdparam now... touching a file when it's run. Trying to boot to check if the file is being created
[21:18] <illmortal> Ok.. gonna restart my PC... this buggy panel is annoying.
[21:18] <gmachine_24> _Mr_Proper_: I literally never have a problem or bad disk
[21:18] <_Mr_Proper_> Yeah, I liked K3B in the past, but don't fancy KDE dependency hell.. I'd normally use CLI, but was kinda in a rush, so click and go was more what I was after!
[21:18] <Edd> After installation of natty i get into a shell login, no GUI
[21:18] <ohsix> MrMist1: don't change those files, they will be overwritten on an update
[21:19] <ohsix> MrMist1: er nm that's probably ok
[21:19] <_Mr_Proper_> Doing it in DeVeDe now, at a reduced rate, we'll see what happens :) Thanks for the help
[21:19] <ohsix> MrMist1: you can just ask udev to be noisy about what it's doing, and do it without a reboot even
[21:19] <MrMist1> ohsix: It's ok.. it's just for debugging purposes. Hehe
[21:19] <Galvatron> KatronixSerf: All you need to do is installing all  the latest updates and you are home.
[21:19] <ohsix> MrMist1: sec i'll whip up something to run
[21:19] <Guest1956> katronixSerf i had no trouble upgrading it
[21:20] <MrMist1> ohsix: Thanks. I'm booting now to see if the script creates the file
[21:20] <gmachine_24> _Mr_Proper_: for the  most part the GUI dvd burners in Linux are just that .... graphic interfaces for command line programs
[21:20] <gmachine_24> so....................
[21:20] <ohsix> MrMist1: udevadm test /sys/block/sdd it will run udev and tell you everything it does, here it says at the end: udevadm_test: run: '/lib/udev/hdparm'
[21:20] <Edd> any1 can answer ?
[21:21] <eamon> div-0: are you still having trouble with the nvidia drivers?
[21:21] <gmachine_24> Edd: you boot the computer and it goes straight to a c:/?
[21:21] <div-0> eamon yes
[21:21] <guntbert> pumeust: if it you just want to check the file system:  The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check
[21:21] <Edd> gmachine_24 goes straight to grub
[21:21] <Edd> i choose the kernel
[21:21] <Edd> i login to tty
[21:22] <Edd> startx fails with an error of not installed pkg of xinit
[21:22] <BladeFreak> I'm trying to install QT4 on ubuntu, is there no package for it?
[21:22] <Edd> never had this error since ubuntu 7
[21:22] <tuxz> what do you think is the best distro for gnome 3?
[21:22] <LjL> !best | tuxz
[21:22] <tuxz> BladeFreak: its just called qt
[21:22] <eamon> div-0: have you tried following this guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto If so, what step are you stuck on?
[21:22] <gmachine_24> Edd: after choosing a kernel why does it go to a tty?
[21:22] <Dr_Willis> Edd:  i saw that on some OTHER disrto then ubuntu once. you are having this issue in 11.04 ?
[21:22] <tuxz> LjL: i asked your opinion
[21:22] <pumeust> guntbert, what if i wanted to recover partition or data?
[21:22] <LjL> BladeFreak: uhm, it will get installed automatically when you install a package that depends on it
[21:22] <Edd> gmachine_24 it gives the loading screen of pkgs
[21:22] <MrMist1> ohsix: The hdparm.called was NOT created during boot. Which again means that /lib/udev/hdparm is not being called
[21:23] <Edd> then it gives an error of no turbo driver or something
[21:23] <LjL> tuxz: and i have to tell you that unfortunately opinion polls are not allowed in this 1730-people channel. try #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:23] <Edd> and i login to tty
[21:23] <div-0> eamon: the problem is i cant access the system. i'm only able to mount the partition from within a livecd i booted
[21:23] <guntbert> pumeust: best begin by telling what your problem is :)
[21:23] <MrMist1> ohsix: Ehm.. but I'm just booting using "sudo reboot", not a physical on/off. Should I try that?
[21:23] <div-0> eamon: the screen is unreadable (see screenshot here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1742929&highlight=1520 )
[21:23] <gmachine_24> Edd: I guess if you hit cntrl + alt + F7 you get nothing....?
[21:23] <tuxz> ljL: but if in your opinion the answer to my question is ubuntu then its not offtopic, is it?
[21:23] <Edd> i gues tthe boot screen
[21:24] <LjL> tuxz: no, still offtopic
[21:24] <Edd> containing the running rpocesses
[21:24] <gmachine_24> Edd: ok
[21:24] <LjL> tuxz: ontopic for here is Ubuntu technical support. opinion polls don't fall under technical support.
[21:24] <Tetsuo55> can anyon reproduce this? with chrome as the default browser i click on a link in konversation, and instead of switching to chrome the desktop crashes and i have to log in again. and apport does not catch this event
[21:24] <gmachine_24> Edd: I'm afraid this is above my pay grade
[21:24] <Edd> ok gmachine_24
[21:24] <cabbagemoonlight> is there an easy way to use vnc securely?  i need a tutorial
[21:24] <gmachine_24> Edd: have you searched for the error you get re: turbo driver on google or ubuntu?
[21:25] <Edd> ah
[21:25] <tuxz> i wouldnt call whats the name of the qt4 package technical either. but whatever. enjoy your saturday evening
[21:25] <Edd> that's the perfect error
[21:25] <Dr_Willis> cabbagemoonlight:  a ssh tunnle is the normal way to secure it.
[21:25] <MrMist1> ohsix: Strange... tried your test, and it still says it's trying running the file, but no "hdparm.called" file is being created
[21:25] <Dr_Willis> !vnc | cabbagemoonlight
[21:25] <Edd> gmachine_24: plymouth command failed
[21:25] <sraue> tuxz: try Fedora 15 (live)
[21:25] <Edd> disconnected from plymouth
[21:25] <BladeFreak> LjL: I'm trying to compile a build that requires QT4 as a dependency, i tried "sudo apt-get install qt" , but I get a "E: Unable to locate package qt"
[21:25] <Edd> >>> mountall
[21:25] <cabbagemoonlight> !FreeNX
[21:25] <LjL> BladeFreak: ah, then you need the -dev packages. hold on while i find the name
[21:25] <pumeust> guntbert, i need to recover data from hard drives so i've been reading up on the subject and i just wanted to make sure i dont try to rescue a r/w mount since the manual says not to do this, and to know what to do if what i want to recover happens to be r/w mount
[21:25] <eamon> div-0: I can link you to an advaced guide that will allow you to hi-jack the system from a live cd and edit the root filesystem from the livecd as though it were the native root filesystem of the environment
[21:25] <cabbagemoonlight> thanks Dr_Willis
[21:25] <LjL> !info libqt4-dev | BladeFreak
[21:26] <eamon> div-0: This is kihd of advanced, do you want that guide?
[21:26] <gmachine_24> Edd: I am clueless about the plymouth command
[21:26] <div-0> eamon: sure, at this point i try everything :)
[21:26] <ohsix> MrMist1: well test doesn't actually run it, it just says what is done when the device name shows up, ie. what's done at boot
[21:26] <guntbert> pumeust: in that case it is best you do everything after booting from a live CD
[21:26] <BladeFreak> LjL: it's working, thanks for taking the trouble to help :)
[21:27] <MrMist1> but it should create the file as soon as the script is run.. and it hasn't been created
[21:27] <kroimpa> hi bnguys, when i try to allow <IP_ADDRESS>/24 to access port 22 tcp using: ufw allow from <IP_ADDRESS>/24 to tcp port 22, it gives a a bad destination address
[21:27] <kroimpa> any idea why?
[21:27] <asdf_msc> anybody gotten WoW working after upgrading to ubuntu 11.04?
[21:27] <ohsix> MrMist1: let me look some more, i don't know of any circumstances where it might be disabled, but it very well may be for some reason on server
[21:28] <kroimpa> root@kroimpa:~# ufw allow from <IP_ADDRESS>/24 to tcp port 139
[21:28] <kroimpa> ERROR: Bad destination address
[21:28] <gmachine_24> Edd: did you check something like this? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/plymouth-command-failed-868723/
[21:28] <cabbagemoonlight> one more question, is there an easy way (GUI) to set up a ssh server?
[21:28] <LjL> cabbagemoonlight: uhm, what is there to set up?
[21:28] <ohsix> cabbagemoonlight: what's to set up?
[21:28] <Augustuen> @cabbagemoonlight sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[21:28] <cabbagemoonlight> i mean all the authentication and whatnots..its looks too complex
[21:29] <BladeFreak> btw, I must say, Ubuntu 11.04 rocks! I'm impressed by the improvements since 9.04... It detected my 3g usb modem and was easy to connect, it was even easier than in windows   :O
[21:29] <_Mr_Proper_> cabbagemoonlight, it works pretty well as it comes
[21:29] <MrMist1> ohsix: I called "head /lib/udev/hdparm" - http://paste.ubuntu.com/601453/
[21:29] <_Mr_Proper_> for basic use
[21:29] <ohsix> cabbagemoonlight: well key and interactive authentication is enabled by default, so you shoul only need to set it up for extremely specialized situations
[21:29] <LjL> cabbagemoonlight: ah, i guess it is a bit, if you want to work with keys. not too familiar with that, but anyway remember you need to set most of that in the *client*, i think...
[21:29] <cabbagemoonlight> ok, so is there a beginners tutorial you can recomend?
[21:30] <ohsix> LjL: server has settings for allowed encodings and authentication methods that can be used by the client,  but they rarely need changing
[21:30] <Augustuen> What should I do if an application I'm trying to compile needs libgtk1.2-dev?
[21:30] <_Mr_Proper_> cabbagemoonlight, http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=set+up+ubuntu+ssh+server&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk
[21:30] <_Mr_Proper_> :)
[21:30] <ohsix> Augustuen: is it a newer version of a package already in ubuntu?
[21:30] <LjL> cabbagemoonlight: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html
[21:30] <ohsix> !google | _Mr_Proper_
[21:30] <LjL> _Mr_Proper_: that's not very useful
[21:30] <ohsix> _Mr_Proper_: and there is a server guide :]
[21:31]  * _Mr_Proper_ hides
[21:31] <eamon> div-0: This is a gentoo guide. Use your liveCD and open a terminal, then mount your root filesystem that you want to install drivers on to "/mnt/gentoo" (the name does not matter, its whats used in the guide) the follow the steps at "entering the new environment" on http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1&chap=6 then start installing the nvidia packages according to this
[21:31] <eamon> guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[21:31] <FloodBot2> eamon: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:31] <ohsix> LjL \is beating me to everything today
[21:31] <_Mr_Proper_> I used the second one on the list when I set up I think
[21:31] <Augustuen> ohsix: libgtk1.2-dev is no longer available with apt-get :(
[21:31] <ohsix> Augustuen: oh 1.2
[21:31]  * LjL beats ohsix up with a wet towel
[21:31] <ohsix> Augustuen: what program is it?
[21:31] <div-0> eamon: ok thanks, i'll try
[21:31] <Augustuen> ohsix: Putty
[21:31] <asdf_msc> anyone notice what's broken in this? fixme:win:EnumDisplayDevicesW ((null),0,0x32ed74,0x00000000), stub!
[21:31] <tasslehoff> which gmail indicator/notifier is a good choice in 11.04?
[21:31] <logi01> Is it possible to deactivate global menu in 11.04?
[21:31] <_Mr_Proper_> Right, DVD burned successfully with the ubuntu built in disc creator, time to try it out :)
[21:31] <ohsix> Augustuen: is there something wrong with the version in the repos?
[21:31] <kroimpa> any idea when i connt ad this rule? im using the correct format: ufw allow from <ip address> to <protocol> port <port number>
[21:32] <LjL> logi01: it probably will be deactivated if you select a Classical login
[21:32] <kroimpa> root@kroimpa:~# ufw allow from <IP_ADDRESS>/24 to tcp port 139
[21:32] <kroimpa> ERROR: Bad destination address
[21:32] <Augustuen> logi01: if you use the "old" gnome UI
[21:32] <tasslehoff> Used checkgmail before, but wonder if there is anything better out there
[21:32] <Barridus> tasslehoff, evolution handles gmail
[21:32] <pumeust> guntbert,  i see. i was wondering if r/w mount is a thing i can change so its no longer r/w mount so i can then try to rescue it...anyways i didnt know its best to do this from live cd...i read that the important thing is to first copy image of the disc to another disc
[21:32] <Augustuen> ohsix: the application needs 1.2
[21:32] <trism> logi01: or: sudo apt-get remove indicator-appmenu; then log out/back in
[21:32] <Barridus> and thunderbird
[21:32] <logi01> ok thx
[21:32] <tasslehoff> Barridus: I don't want a client, just a notifier.
[21:33] <ohsix> Augustuen: the version in the repos uses gtk2, what's wrong with the already built packages?
[21:33] <LjL> kroimpa: shouldn't it be: ufw allow proto tcp from <IP_ADDRESS>/24 to any port 139
[21:33] <Augustuen> tasslehoff: If you use google chrome, you can enable it on gmail.com
[21:33] <kroimpa> LjL, ill try that out man :D
[21:33] <Augustuen> ohsix: I'm going to be using the code from Putty to experiment with SSH
[21:33] <KM0201> tasslehoff: you want a gmail notifier?
[21:34] <linuxnetworkmobi> Hello
[21:34] <ohsix> Augustuen: ah well, i'd be really surprised if it didn't offer a way to build with gtk2, and isn't the ssh part separated from teh ui? is this something you cant use openssl or nss or gnutls for?
[21:34] <tasslehoff> KM0201: yeah. have used gmail-notify and checkgmail, but wonder if there are any indicator applet notifiers
[21:34] <MrMist1> ohsix: Couldn't I just create a .sh file calling "hdparm -S 120 /dev/sdd ?
[21:34] <ezro> 메ㅏ
[21:34] <ezro> park
[21:34] <kroimpa> LjL, thanks man! that worked :d
[21:34] <kroimpa> *:D
[21:35] <KM0201> tasslehoff: you should be able to configure mail-notification, to work w/ gmail (i always use checkgmail, nt really sure on the others)
[21:35] <malv> anyone having this middle click repeat problem?
[21:35] <ezro> fgf
[21:35] <guntbert> pumeust: if the disc does not carry part of the actual system (like in forensic examinations) then you can do it from a running system too - step 1) unmount it with   sudo umount  <mount-point>
[21:35] <Augustuen> ohsix: Doing a make now instead of using the script provided, looks like it's going good
[21:35] <Rehan> why does unity require so many more mouseclicks to get to an app compared to gnome2? Am I doing something wrong?
[21:36] <arrrghhh> Rehan, popular apps i would imagine you put on the bar
[21:36] <arrrghhh> so it's one click...
[21:36] <Rehan> arrrghhh: i see
[21:37] <ohsix> MrMist1: you could but it wouldn't fix whatever problem is stopping it from working as it is now
[21:37] <lsv> what does Maverick, Natty, Lucid, Karmic, and Hardy refer to?
[21:37] <arrrghhh> Rehan, you can always go back to "Ubuntu Classic"
[21:37] <arrrghhh> lsv, releases
[21:37] <MrMist1> ohsix: Hehe... I know. But where would I place such a script?
[21:37] <Rehan> arrrghhh: yeah i'm trying to get used to Unity but its just hard to imagine anything being more efficient than a tree hierarchy
[21:37] <arrrghhh> lsv, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases if you want to know moar
[21:37] <Rehan> arrrghhh: will give it some more time
[21:38] <Ransoogard> Hello. I have an issue with trying to get Ubuntu to boot without text output after grub and before choosing my user account.
[21:38] <lsv> arrrghhh, thanks.  Is there any way of checkin which one I have using the bash?
[21:38] <ohsix> MrMist1: rc.local, drives get reset at runtime and stuff so it might not stick forever past boot
[21:38] <pumeust> guntbert, thanks for the info
[21:38] <arrrghhh> Rehan, up to you entirely.  i wasn't a big fan of it myself.
[21:38] <lsv> *bash
[21:38] <Ransoogard> Specifically I think xsplash isn't working.
[21:38] <ohsix> Rehan: i don't think one of the goals was efficiency over existing things
[21:38] <l1nuxman> /etc/init.d/asterisk-1.8 status won't even return command not found or whatever. Why not?
[21:38] <MrMist1> ohsix: Should I create a bug report or something about this issue?
[21:38] <arrrghhh> lsv, yes.
[21:38] <l1nuxman> I have asterisk-1.8 installed
[21:38] <ohsix> MrMist1: yea, bonus if you can find the cause, searching to see if there is one already would probably be good
[21:39] <chotaz> Hey everyone, anyone knows a good automated program to upload files on multiple filehosts for ubuntu?
[21:39] <guntbert> pumeust: you're welcome :-)  ... and Good luck :-)
[21:39] <arrrghhh> lsv, sorry.  lsb_release -a.
[21:39] <arrrghhh> i kept typing lsb_release and couldn't figure out why it wasn't working :P
[21:39] <lsv> arrrghh, thank you so much.  You're my new best friend :D
[21:39] <MrMist1> ohsix: I don't know if I know enough about udev to be able to find where the fault is ?
[21:40] <nbf> great I upgrade to natty and it won't boot
[21:40] <arrrghhh> lsv, lol np
[21:40] <Soothsayer> how do I put an app that was not installed through a package into the programs so its accessible through the launcher ?
[21:40] <nbf> "loading initial ramdisk"
[21:40] <nbf> and it hangs
[21:40] <Dr_Willis> Soothsayer:  you could make a proper .desktop file for it. there should be 1000's of .desktop files for other apps to use as an example
[21:40] <cousin_mario> hello
[21:40] <arrrghhh> lsv, also tab-complete should be your new best friend :D.  you can tab complete usernames in here, just type arr -> tab
[21:40] <hobbel> Is there a way to make unity hide a program on click? clicking on an active icon slides the unity launcher out instead of hiding the program :s
[21:41] <cousin_mario> volume applet has disappeared: how do I put it back in the system tray?
[21:41] <lsv> arrrghhh: OMG! you have become my best friend forever!!
[21:41] <Edd> any1 hada problem after installing 11.04 ?
[21:41] <MrMist1> Edd: Yep... having problems with hdparm.
[21:41] <viper474> How can I pass a value between classes?
[21:42] <arrrghhh> lsv, yea i'm addicted to tab complete in the terminal.  you can do it basically everywhere in the CLI
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> cousin_mario: ALT+F2 and run: gnome-volume-control
[21:42] <Rehan> Edd: i had the usual pain in the ass that comes with having an nvidia graphics card
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> Edd: installed flawlessly here
[21:42] <LjL> viper474: err, you will want to ask that in ##c++ ##java or whichever language you're using :P
[21:42] <Dr_Willis> !ccsm
[21:42] <herol3oy> does anyone here upgrade his/her ubuntu 10.10 by this >> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade       just wanna know that everything is cool now?
[21:42] <herol3oy> no problem?
[21:42] <arrrghhh> herol3oy, you should use do-release-upgrade
[21:42] <viper474> LjL: oh, sorry I though I was in the java room, sorry
[21:42] <Edd> argh
[21:42] <Edd> i cant get my GUI
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> herol3oy: dist-upgrade won't give you natty
[21:42] <lsv> I also use it, but I didn't know I could use it here.
[21:42] <Edd> this is another error with intel
[21:42] <Rehan> ohsix: are you using 11.04 and if so are you using unity or not?
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> Edd: do you boot to a black screen?
[21:43] <drhydralisk> Can someone help me get my headphones working? They were working before I restarted
[21:43] <ohsix> MrMist1: if udevadm test says it's running the helper then it's not udev
[21:43] <LjL> drhydralisk: try starting "alsamixer" and seeing if there is a headphones slider
[21:43] <ohsix> Rehan: not
[21:43] <Glycan_> Where are system settings in 11.4?
[21:43] <herol3oy> arrrghhh: why this ? what is difrennt?
[21:43] <MrMist1> ohsix: but it's not being run..
[21:43] <Edd> ActionParsnip yup :) the tty
[21:44] <eamon> drhydralisk: I will try to help.
[21:44] <drhydralisk> LjL: ok, ill try
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> Edd: add the bootoption: nomodeset
[21:44] <ohsix> Glycan_: click on the top right thing with your login name, options are at the bottom of the menu
[21:44] <drhydralisk> eamon: thx, trying alasamixer first hold on
[21:44] <ohsix> MrMist1: right, looking into that now; had to get something to eath
[21:44] <Edd> ActionParsnip it will fix the P{lymouth error ?
[21:44] <Glycan_> ohsix: Thank you
[21:44] <eamon> drhydralisk: that's what I was gonna tell you to try :)
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> Glycan_: press ALT+F2 and type the thing you want to run, it will suggest things as you type
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> Edd: should do
[21:44] <Edd> let's try
[21:45] <eamon> drhydralisk: look for master and PCM. Make sure both of those are not muted.
[21:45] <ebiester> Howdy all. My xorg.conf is broken without backup. I want to regenerate, but the only thing I saw while googling was uninstalling xorg and reinstalling/dpkg-reconfigure. Is there a less drastic option?
[21:45] <herol3oy> what's the diffrent between do-release-upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade?????
[21:45] <oneliner> buahaha, evolution is trying to deal with 6 gigs of mail
[21:45] <helio_> anajulia
[21:45] <kwrite> I can't see the b43 drivers in additional drivers. I installed fwcutter, and the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer just like I did in Ubuntu 10.10. I got it working then. Any ideas?
[21:45] <oneliner> its actually getting there :)
[21:45] <ohsix> MrMist1: if you do "DEVNAME=/dev/sdd /lib/udev/hdparm" does it apply your settings to sdd?
[21:45] <MrMist1> ohsix: I'm really grateful for the help, but I don't want to keep you from eating
[21:45] <cousin_mario> ActionParsnip: it shows no icon
[21:45] <ohsix> ebiester: move it out of the way
[21:46] <ohsix> MrMist1: already ate, forgot i was helping someone :o
[21:46] <drhydralisk> eamon: there is no master thing, only PCM (which was not muted)
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> ebiester: boot to root recovery mode and run: Xorg -configure and it will make a vanilla file, you can copy it to /etc/X11 and it may help
[21:46] <ohsix> ebiester: you shouldn't need an xorg.conf
[21:46] <ebiester> ohsix: I'm currently running without any xorg.conf. :)
[21:46] <Edd> ActionParsnip: unknow boot option 'nomodeset'
[21:46] <ohsix> ebiester: welcome to this century ;] what do you need a .conf for?
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> Edd: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-ubuntu-10-04-lts-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup.html
[21:46] <Galvatron> ebieste: What is your video card?
[21:47] <arrrghhh> herol3oy, i suggest you read the manpage.  if you have we can discuss it.
[21:47] <Edd> ActionParsnip lucid fix problem will solve natty's ?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: ubuntu server uses smb.conf to configure shares....
[21:47] <MrMist1> ohsix: Hmm... interesting. When I call "sudo DEVNAME=/dev/sdd /lib/udev/hdparm" I get "No disk enabled. Exiting"
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> Edd: yes it should help
[21:47] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: what does that have to do with anything?
[21:47] <eamon> drhydralisk: Are you sure there was no master? What was the firstone, on the very left?
[21:47] <ohsix> MrMist1: eh ok, with sudo you need to do sudo sh -c 'DEVNAME=/dev/sda /lib/udev/hdparm'
[21:47] <drhydralisk> eamon: Headphon
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: well in this century people use ubuntu server, so "what do you need a .conf for" is one reply
[21:48] <eamon> ebiester: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" should do it
[21:48] <ebiester> ohsix: I have a new laptop that has two separate video cards, so I can't tell if it's running on the intel or the nvidia chipset right now. However, when I upgraded to 11.04, I got a popup that said my video card wasn't powerful enough to run unity.
[21:48] <MrMist1> ohsix: I tried doing a "sudo sh -" first as well, and calling it without sudo... same result
[21:48] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: point of fact, he was asking about xorg.conf
[21:48] <ebiester> Which... seems a bit silly with a 2 month old laptop
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: my monitor needs xorg.conf too
[21:48] <lsv> ok one more question.  How can I change my start up setting so Ubuntu starts in text mode?
[21:48] <MrMist1> ohsix: eeeh... "sudo su -" not "sudo sh -"
[21:48] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: i really don't care, this isn't helping this person
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> lsv: add the boot option "text"
[21:48] <Augustuen> ohsix: I get warning: macro `AM_PATH_GTL` not found in library
[21:48] <rgr> wow, is he STILL spouting nonsense about not needing an xorg,conf? Streuth.
[21:48] <ohsix> MrMist1: sudo -- sh -c 'DEVNAME=/dev/sda /lib/udev/hdparm' agh ;]
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: neither is asking why do they need a .conf
[21:49] <pattysmatty> what's an rss program?
[21:49] <arrrghhh> herol3oy, basically dist-upgrade prepares your system for an distro upgrade.  it removes obsolete packages, unlike a regular upgrade command.
[21:49] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: i'm at my wits end, i'm asking why he needs a conf so i can tell him how to regenerate it. seriously back off
[21:49] <Edd> ActionParsnip i read the site, this is not my error
[21:49] <lsv> ActionParsnip: where would I change that?  In grub?
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> pattysmatty: do you want to know what rss is or do you want to know some possible app names ?
[21:49] <Edd> my error is : i login to tty no GUI
[21:49] <Augustuen> pattysmatt: an RSS program gets a feed from a server, where for example a website updates you on new articles and such
[21:49] <pattysmatty> ActionParsnip, the latter
[21:49] <Edd> erro: mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth
[21:49] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: if he has an exceptional situataion and needs one, guess what! he needs one
[21:49] <drhydralisk> pattysmath: what do you mean, "what is an rss program" or what is a good client to use?
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> lsv: yes add it in /etc/default/grub   in the quotes with: quiet splash
[21:49] <eamon> rgr: who are you referring to?
[21:49] <ohsix> ebiester: ok
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: then you answered your own question
[21:50] <helo_> anyone know how to force banshee to download cover art? the extension says it automatically runs, but it isn't on one machine, and is on the other
[21:50] <ebiester> ActionParsnip. I assumed I needed one because I've always had one since '97 and when there was an xconfigurator. I'm not wedded to having one, but right now, flash is having trouble and unity won't run, so I assumed there was a problem.
[21:50] <pattysmatty> drhydralisk, the programs i can use to follow rss
[21:50] <ohsix> ebiester: either video card you are using should work with unity, something else is going on
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> pattysmatty: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-rss-readers-available-in-ubuntu.html
[21:50] <MrMist1> ohsix: Identical results, all of them
[21:50] <MrMist1> ohsix: "No disk enabled. Exiting"
[21:50] <ohsix> MrMist1: paste your hdparm.conf to a pastebin
[21:50] <lsv> ActionParsnip: I see... Thanks a bunch!
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> lsv: you will need to run:  sudo update-grub   after adding it
[21:50] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: he doesn't have an exceptional situation, he has a vga switcheroo
[21:50] <MrMist1> ohsix: It's nothing in it almost
[21:51] <drhydralisk> pattysmatty: don't rule out Google Reader
[21:51] <LjL> pattysmatty: also, gpodder, yarssr, firefox-sage, canto, xpn  —  GNOME: liferea, straw, evolution-rss  —  GNUstep: rssreader.app  —  KDE: knode, akregator  —  console: snownews, newsbeuter, rsstail, olive, nrss
[21:51] <hihihi100> i can see the log while my machine boots, like the whole screen was a terminal, how do I get a better looking screen during booting? its before I am asked to choose a user and password
[21:51] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: now kindly do without the interjections of opinion, i'm gonna write you off entirely if you keep it up
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: your call
[21:51] <pattysmatty> thanks all
[21:51] <pattysmatty> big help :)
[21:51] <MrMist1> ohsix: hmm... I've got an idea..
[21:52] <ebiester> ohsix: Sometimes I think a decade+ of unix experience gets in my way with ubuntu. :) -- what would be the best route for debugging this?
[21:52] <ohsix> rgr: again, #ubuntu-offtopic, if you have anything to say; lets make it something to help people, that's the entire idea of this channel
[21:52] <eamon> hihihi100: would you like the screen to be blank until the username and password?
[21:52]  * kath ....tryed to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04...  At the last 2min off upgrade, before Recycle.... it just stoped...  after 15min I turned off my hp comp... but yea.. now ater 1houer ..i sitt with 10.10.... and a prim part with unfinished 11.04
[21:52] <MrMist1> ohsix: http://paste.ubuntu.com/601466/
[21:52] <scoffin> is it possible to move the "top of screen" app menus back into the app window?  [11.04, unity]
[21:52] <eamon> good for kath
[21:52] <lsv> ActionParsnip: like this >> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text quiet splash" ?
[21:52] <ohsix> ebiester: well, first, open a terminal and paste the output of glxinfo to paste.ubuntu.com
[21:52] <Snakkah> Can anyone tell me how to make ALL tooltips (the little black descriptors that appear in menus and applications) transparent? For now, it seems to only apply to my panel menus.
[21:52] <MrMist1> I'm commenting out the "quiet" line now... wonder if that's the issue
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> lsv: looks great
[21:53] <hiexpo> is there a wya to passwordfolders
[21:53] <jrib> scoffin: yes, remove indicator-appmenu iirc
[21:53] <kath> .. eamon f you..lol ;)..... not good at all......
[21:53] <hiexpo> ^way
[21:53] <hihihi100> eamon, id like to see the usplash bar at least
[21:53] <Soothsayer> anyone running gnom3 on ubuntu 11.04?
[21:53] <ohsix> MrMist1: you have a stray } :O
[21:53] <kath> ... any one that has upgraded to 11.04
[21:53] <crystal-cola> A window went under the bar at the top my screen!!! I can't get it out!!!
[21:53] <hihihi100> eamon, together with the ubuntu logo
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: you can make the folder owned by your user only, then you will only have access if you chmod 600 it
[21:53] <LjL> crystal-cola: try hitting Alt+F3
[21:53] <ohsix> Soothsayer: gnome3 is only available from a ppa right now, so you won't get much support for it here
[21:53] <andycc> Soothsayer, I did run it for a while, but reverted to Unity.
[21:53] <scoffin> jrib:  sorry, is that an installed package or some setting ?
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> crystal-cola:  hold down alt, click, move it around  is another way
[21:53] <jrib> scoffin: it's a package
[21:53] <crystal-cola> thank you!!
[21:54] <ohsix> Soothsayer: you can try just asking your question, but don't expect a lot ;]
[21:54] <MrMist1> ohsix: argh... still same result after commenting out the line
[21:54] <notlistening> Right i have a bit of a problem with compiz and the negative plugin, I can't get new windows to be generated in negative and ideas?
[21:54] <hiexpo> ActionParsnip, thanks
[21:54] <ebiester> ohsix: http://paste.ubuntu.com/601467/
[21:54] <scoffin> ok, I will try it......   IMHO: that "mac" style is not compatible with focus-follows-mouse
[21:54] <BlouBlou> anyone knows how to install openarena without installing 'ioquake3'? it seems it's a dependency, but in 10.10 was not
[21:54] <kath> havent been on irc since 2000......  but still almost the same..
[21:55] <ohsix> MrMist1: you need to read the spindown time with a command other than hdparm -I, -I was just to check to see if aam/apm was on, which can impact drives spinning down
[21:55] <Soothsayer> andycc, why did you revert?
[21:55] <ohsix> MrMist1: sorry if i wasn't explicit before, i thought you added apm settings to allow spindowns
[21:55] <rgr> ebiester: I missed your card. Which is it?
[21:55] <kath> ... So BlouBlou................... the 10.10 was better?.....
[21:55] <MrMist1> ohsix: I did, but since the file isn't being called anyway
[21:55] <eamon> hihihi100: have a looky here http://lmgtfy.com/?q=custom+boot+screen+ubuntu
[21:55] <MrMist1> ohsix: I removed them again. Less is more
[21:56] <Soothsayer> ohsix, :-P I'm having some issues with Unity.. tell me how would I go about this? I have this java which I've placed in /opt/phpstorm/ . So I execute /opt/phpstorm/bin/run.sh to run the app... how do I make this accessible to the launcher ?
[21:56] <MrMist1> ohsix: I had "apm = 127" before, but it did nothing.
[21:56] <ohsix> MrMist1: try the DEVNAME thing again with the stray } removed
[21:56] <Snakkah> EDIT: Nevermind, got it.
[21:56] <lsv> ActionParsnip: does changing that line in /etc/default/grub changes how I would log into the windows partition? (a little ashamed of this)
[21:56] <ADSDS> hi
[21:57] <MrMist1> ohsix: aaah... there's a stray }?? Didn't see that one..
[21:57] <ohsix> ebiester: ok so it's not using either of your video cards, but vesa or something; did you use nomodeset when you booted or otherwise have to do anything special to get it to start?
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> lsv: no, the options are only added to the linux kernels as far as I know
[21:57] <ADSDS> whats the new ubuntu
[21:57] <ohsix> Soothsayer: no clue on that one, you can create a .desktop file and put it in the right place; that's all the old panel "create launcher" thing did
[21:57] <Edd> mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth <<< any idea ?
[21:57] <tarvid> need suggestion on video accelerator for Intel Mobile 4 in an Acer 7736x-4088 laptop
[21:57] <ezro> who know where is the theme folder?
[21:57] <herol3oy> which one is better?  do-release-upgrade  or download the ubuntu11.4 ISO file and then mount the ISO file and >>>gksu "sh /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade"   ????
[21:58] <ADSDS> whats the new ubuntu
[21:58] <ohsix> Edd: if you don't have a video card or have one without kms, that's a normal message
[21:58] <jamie4> Any way to have the [FILE] [EDIT] etc menus to always show on the bar in Unity?
[21:58] <MrMist1> ohsix: Now we're talking.. it's being run now...
[21:58] <Dr_Willis> ezro:  system wide? or user specific?
[21:58] <rgr> ADSDS: Ask a Q if you have one ;)
[21:58] <silvrax> i just upgraded to 11.04, now when I hoover some buttons/menus etc and a tooltip appears, my mouse cursor itself actally dissappears, which i find very annoying. Does anyone know what is wrong there? (i'm using gnome, not unity)
[21:58] <Dr_Willis>  /usr/share/themes/
[21:58] <Dr_Willis> or /home/username/.themes
[21:58] <Soothsayer> ohsix, ye i managed to move it into unity launcher.. and it works.. but the problem is now when the app launches, it doesn't appear in the unity taskbar!
[21:58] <ezro> thanks
[21:58] <ohsix> rgr: even when you have the potential to answer ... D:
[21:58] <ebiester> ohsix: The nvidia is Nvidia GeForce GT 540M -- I had to look it up. But the series of events is. 1. Install 10.10. 2. try to install the proprietary extension, which kills X. 3. After trying to get the open source nv or intel working, delete xorg.conf. 4. Upgrade to Natty
[21:59] <lsv> ActionParsnip: ok, thanks, will reboot after some update finishes.  Thanks again.
[21:59] <ohsix> ADSDS: 11.04, it was released a few days ago
[21:59] <Soothsayer> ohsix, that's so bizarre cause how would I find that window :-|
[21:59] <rgr> ebiester: have you ran nvidia-settings or sgfxi?
[21:59] <Edd> ohsix i used ubuntu since v.7
[21:59] <herol3oy> which one is better? do-release-upgrade or download the ubuntu11.4 ISO file and then mount the ISO file and >>>gksu "sh /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade" ????
[21:59] <Edd> never had this error
[21:59] <Edd> on the same laptop
[21:59] <kjxl9> hey guys, i need some help with terminal
[21:59] <ohsix> Soothsayer: ah you'll have to look at other .desktop files that do, something with bamfdaemon does that i think
[22:00] <kjxl9> it's asking me for my password but nothing i type comes up
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> herol3oy: the upgrade online will use the most recent debs, using the alternate ISO willonly give you the version on the cD, you will then need to upgrade online
[22:00] <hauptstrasse> herol3oy, it doesn't matter. if you upgrade over the network, you'll get the latest packages, which might not be the case if you use the cdrom.
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> kjxl9: it doesn't give feedback,just type it and hit enter
[22:00] <ohsix> ebiester: hm ok so you need to nuke the bits of the nvidia driver left around, did you install the .bin from nvidia or something from a package manager?
[22:00] <lsv> kjxl9: that's normal. Just type the password and press enter
[22:00] <Soothsayer> ohsix, why does it have to be so complicated?
[22:00] <cousin_mario> bbl
[22:00] <kjxl9> thanks
[22:01] <notlistening> can anyone else get negative to work in 11.04 for me
[22:01] <ohsix> Soothsayer: heh it may not be consoling,  but it's actually simpler now
[22:01] <herol3oy> thanks guys!
[22:01] <ohsix> Soothsayer: it's at least defined and theres software to do it for you :\
[22:01] <notlistening> if you turn if onto all windows do new windows inherit negativity?
[22:02]  * herol3oy bye
[22:02] <noob25> Hello guys I've just installed Ubuntu 11.04 and I installed an application called xsensors but it's only showing me the temperature of 1 thing and I have no idea of what. It should be showing me 1x Internal, 1x CPU, 1x GPU, 2x HDD. Are there any tools built into Ubuntu so I can check whether  it's a problem with Ubuntu or the software?
[22:02] <Soothsayer> ohsix, im still confused as to what to do. I believe this is going to happen for all java programs then.
[22:02] <hauptstrasse> noob25, acpi -t
[22:02] <ohsix> notlistening: theres no distinction for new windows, it's done as they're all rendered
[22:02] <Dr_Willis> notlistening:  I thought it was a 'per window' or 'entire desktop' setting.
[22:02] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> hello is it possible to add a song to loved list at last.fm with Exaile music player? according to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/exaile/+bug/739264 there seem to be a plugin to do that, but i can't find it anywhere :(
[22:02] <ohsix> notlistening: so if you do per window it's just that window, or the entire desktop it's the whole thing
[22:02] <Acriax> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217328 <-- the last 3 comments on this page made my day :D
[22:03] <Dr_Willis> notlistening:  some compiz settings/plugins can break unity. so be carefull with them :)
[22:03] <notlistening> ohsix, well thats what i mean
[22:03] <ohsix> Soothsayer: if the launcher is right it should work as expected
[22:03] <notlistening> ohsix, open a new app :P
[22:03] <ohsix> notlistening: if it's to the desktop it still applies to the new window, but let me try here to confirm
[22:03] <Edd> ive never been disappointed with linux till this day
[22:03] <ebiester> ohsix: I installed it from the popup in ubuntu. (Sorry, that was a few weeks ago, I don't have the exact other than remember it suggesting proprietary drivers.) I got rid of all of that, but natty seems to have brought some of it back. Do I just purge all of this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/601469/
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> Edd: do you not mean ubuntu?
[22:04] <ohsix> notlistening: wow! that's a bug haha
[22:04] <MrMist1> ohsix: Seems like it's working now for the two drives I have mountet, but the backup-drive which I'm not mounting won't go into standby mode. Any idea why? Can I place it in standby mode during boot?
[22:04] <noob25> hauptstrasse I have to install it, could this be a reason why it's not reading or is this just a separate tool?
[22:04] <ohsix> notlistening: please report it so i can mark it as affecting me as well, i use it often
[22:04] <Edd> ActionParsnip i mean ubuntu ! wt' sthis error regarding plymouth
[22:04] <Edd> never had it!
[22:04] <andeeeuk> is there any way with 11.04 to add a mail notification for thunderbird?
[22:04] <notlistening> ohsix, I have a long list of them :)
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> Edd: you don't have to use plymouth
[22:04] <Rehan_> anytime I fill out the information in the About Me section in ubuntu and hit close, it never saves anything. Why is that?
[22:04] <ohsix> ebiester: ah ok that was probably jockey and it shouldn't have broken anything you can't just remove, sec
[22:04] <notlistening> ohsix, I will post the report soon
[22:04] <andeeeuk> on the menu bar
[22:04] <Edd> ActionParsnip how can i get rid of it ?
[22:05] <ohsix> notlistening: post a bug instead, on launchpad.net
[22:05] <ohsix> notlistening: that's a functionality change from .8 that i'm pretty sure wasn't intended
[22:05] <Soothsayer> ohsix, the application executes fine.. just that it does not show as an icon in the left unity taskbar
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> Edd: remove the bootoptions: quiet splash      and you will boot in text mode
[22:05] <hauptstrasse> noob25, its a seperate tool
[22:05] <rgr> andeeeuk: use a third party mail notifier.
[22:05] <Edd> ActionParsnip i booted in text mode, i want GUI
[22:05] <ohsix> Soothsayer: then it's missing some entries in the .desktop file to make that work
[22:05] <andeeeuk> on the menu bar?
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> Edd: yes it will boot in text mode, then load the desktop
[22:05] <noob25> hauptstrasse ok thanks
[22:06] <rgr> possibly something like gnubiff. There are multiple possibilities.
[22:06] <Edd> ActionParsnip u mean via: startx ?
[22:06] <lsv> me bye
[22:06]  * lsv bye
[22:06] <ohsix> rgr: who are you speaking to?
[22:06] <andeeeuk> rgr which app would you recomend?
[22:06] <jamie4> Question about Unity - anyone hacking it yet?
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> Edd: gdm will load once the system has fully booted
[22:06] <lsv> quit
[22:06] <Soothsayer> ohsix, ok see I created a new "Menu Item" in the "Main Menu" dialog in the Control Centre.
[22:06] <Edd> ActionParsnip nothing is loading
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> Edd: you just won't see plymouth
[22:06] <Edd> :/
[22:06] <godMitax> anybody can help me installing bt4 r2 tools on ubuntu 11.04 ?
[22:06] <Edd> that's the point
[22:07] <godMitax> anybody can help me installing bt4 r2 tools on ubuntu 11.04 ?
[22:07] <andeeeuk> rgr which app would you recomend for mail notifications??
[22:07] <Soothsayer> ohsix, http://i.imgur.com/doyxY.png
[22:07] <ebiester> ohsix: If you said something, could you repeat it? I just accidentally cleared the window.
[22:07] <starredsteria> Hey.... has anyone had any issues starting ubuntu after installing nvidia drivers - for 11.04?
[22:08] <Soothsayer> that's all the options I get @ ohsix
[22:08] <Guest46633> Is there some sort of firewall on by defualt in Ubuntu?  I could ssh in just fine when I set it up, now I've flown away and can't ssh in from anywhere else.  It's directly connected to a cable modem.
[22:08] <ActionParsnip> !firewall | Guest46633
[22:08] <LjL> Guest46633: yeah these days there is u. "sudo ufw allow port 22" or something should free your ssh
[22:08] <rgr> wow. firestarter is MUCH better than those suggestions.
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> Edd: then boot with plymouth loading and press ESC and you will see the boot messages, what are the last few messages?
[22:09] <ADSDS> whats the new ubuntu#
[22:09] <LjL> rgr: it's also deprecated
[22:09] <arrrghhh> firestarter is deprecated?
[22:09] <rgr> When did that happen?
[22:09] <arrrghhh> bummer, i used to like that when i needed it.
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> rgr: firestarter is just abother gui to iptables
[22:09] <arrrghhh> ActionParsnip, indeed like any of those
[22:09] <rgr> first I heard of I must say. Damn good UI.
[22:09] <Rehan_> anytime I fill out the information in the About Me section in ubuntu and hit close, it never saves anything. Why is that?
[22:09] <rgr> I know what it is.
[22:09] <christhecoolboy> ActionParsnip, your on... I have a weird idea...
[22:09] <ohsix> rgr: you need to keep your opinions to yourself, this is a HELP CHANNEL
[22:10] <rgr> But deprecated? Why? Its just a easy way to set up iptables.
[22:10] <JunK-Y> how can i disable visual effect under 11.04? the tab visual effect isnt there anymore.
[22:10] <Edd> ActionParsnip me see wait
[22:10] <LjL> rgr, arrrghhh: heard them saying that in -ops. searching logs.
[22:10] <ohsix> rgr: ufw has simple allow/deny rules and hooks for more complicated rules that wont be clobbered by user changes
[22:10] <andeeeuk> has switch application in 11.04 been removed? really weird alt-tab does not work :s#
[22:10] <rgr> I never heard of a GUI tool that good being deprecated. I'll take a peek as I always recommend it : nice logging too.
[22:10] <ohsix> rgr: you could argue that average people shouldn't be setting up more than allow/deny rules anyways; and neither should software packages
[22:11] <LjL> rgr: ah well it's been at version 1.0.3 for forever, apparently
[22:11] <Edd> ActionParsnip: mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth
[22:11] <ohsix> rgr: "that good" is your opinion, it is not notable here
[22:11] <Cale> JunK-Y: System -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Visual Effects?  I'm on 10.10, but I don't think the place has changed.
[22:11] <ohsix> ebiester: let me think a bit, and i didn't say anything
[22:11] <Guest46633> ljl: but i could connect via ssh locally.. does the default fw care about source IP?
[22:11] <snake_> sera serina
[22:11] <Elad123> Hi all, I just upgraded to ubuntu 11.04 (using unity), I'm using 2 monitor, the problem is that the notify-osd is on the secondary monitor (nvidia video card), someone can help me please?
[22:11] <rgr> but nothing has destaically changed in iptables.
[22:11] <rgr> heh. good typo..
[22:11] <LjL> Guest46633: i think it does
[22:11] <ebiester> ohsix: no worries. Thanks. :)
[22:11] <guntbert> !backtrack | godMitax
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> Edd: anything above that?
[22:11] <rgr> Guest46633: yes
[22:12] <silvrax> as soon as a tooltip is displayes, my mouse cursos dissapers, is that normal?
[22:12] <Guest46633> ljl: wow i hope you're wrong.. i set up a system 1500 miles from home and i'm half way accross the country now.
[22:12] <Cale> silvrax: no
[22:12] <ohsix> Guest46633: default fw has no policy
[22:12] <LjL> rgr: well, the community docs only really say "Note: Although Firstarter is fully functional, active development ended in 2005 with version 1.0.3. For an overview of alternative applications, see Firewall.", so perhaps deprecated is a strong word
[22:12] <christhecoolboy> ActionParsnip, I have an idea...
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> christhecoolboy: sup?
[22:12] <Guest46633> ohsix: so its all open by default?
[22:12] <rgr> Guest46633: did you also install banip or something?
[22:12] <JunK-Y> cale: yes it changed.
[22:12] <christhecoolboy> ActionParsnip, could my mic be blacklisted? and... not loaded?
[22:12] <ohsix> Guest46633: unless it's different in -server, that's all i know
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> christhecoolboy: not sure man, i'm rubbish with sound issues
[22:13] <silvrax> Cale: tnx.. any clue why it may happen?
[22:13] <ybit_> hey guys, i've got a problm with ubuntu not being able to process all my keystrokes, anyone know of a similar bu?
[22:13] <kwrite> Does anyone know why B43 is not showing up in Additional Drivers? I can only see STA.
[22:13] <JunK-Y> theres just Theme,Background and Font
[22:13] <ybit_> bug*
[22:13] <christhecoolboy> ActionParsnip, I tried a wired mic and it didn't work...
[22:13] <jamie4> Any way to have the [FILE] [EDIT] etc menus to always show on the bar in Unity?
[22:13] <rgr> firestarter has frozen. Its not deprecated from what I can see.
[22:13] <Cale> silvrax: No idea really... are you using compiz? It has lots of crazy options and that... might be one of them. I don't really know.
[22:13] <ohsix> kwrite: b43 is the included driver, STA is the vendor one, did jockey used to offer the b43 driver? it only ever needed the firmware, which you can get by installing b43-fwcutter and running the included script
[22:13] <ybit_> it just happened randomly
[22:14] <Rehan_> does anyone else have this problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/752452
[22:14] <ohsix> rgr: that's great, ubuntu uses ufw; thanks
[22:14] <Edd> ActionParsnip fsk succeeding nothing more
[22:14] <silvrax> Cale: no compiz...
[22:14] <Witchsong_> I have installed ubuntuone-indicator, but the indicator doesn't show up at the bar.
[22:14] <kwrite> oshix: What script?
[22:14] <ohsix> ActionParsnip: how come you never chime in to undo the mess done to peoples computers by the nvidia drivers like ebiester ?
[22:14] <Witchsong_> Anyone know if this is just a bug or if I might have done it wrong somehow?
[22:14] <notlistening> ohsiz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/774444
[22:14] <kwrite> oshix: Jockey offered the driver in 10.10 and I got it up and running then
[22:14] <rcconf> what is the device for DVD drive'
[22:14] <Chrom_> hi
[22:14] <rcconf> ?
[22:14] <Cale> silvrax: Apparently there's something called "unclutter" which does that
[22:15] <Cale> silvrax: might want to check if it's installed
[22:15] <kermit> rgr: i did not install anything really, its just for my grandma
[22:15] <ohsix> kwrite: i don't have it installed here, but dpkg -L b43-fwcutter will list the files after it's installed, the script is the one ending in .sh
[22:15] <ubuntu> I need help loading the file manager as root
[22:15] <Elad1234> Hi all, I just upgraded to ubuntu 11.04 (using unity), I'm using 2 monitor, the problem is that the notify-osd is on the secondary monitor (nvidia video card), someone can help me please?
[22:15] <adzy> hello
[22:15] <rcconf> ?/dev/cdrom
[22:15] <ohsix> notlistening: thanks
[22:15] <Chrom_> is anyone using gnome-classic in 11.04? there's a very annoying bug that doesn't let you trash items using the trash applet. Can someone confirm this?
 hello all
[22:15] <twiggydanger> Why does gksu nautilis not do anything?
[22:16] <LjL> ohsix: now i think that was gratuitous. i haven't seen ActionParsnip talking to you in a while. at this point i'm sick and tired of seeing you three bickering. a mute is going to come next, so all three of you, really, please behave and have a little tolerance for each other
[22:16] <silvrax> Cale: yeah, thats what google told me too, but its not installed
[22:16] <Cale> silvrax: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unclutter
[22:16] <Ultimate_Chaos> hello
[22:16] <Cale> hmm
[22:16] <notlistening> ohsix, do you ever use the enhanced zoom feature?
[22:16] <Ultimate_Chaos> hello?
[22:16] <Ultimate_Chaos> i need help
[22:16] <Whinis> did anyone else get a bumbed grub on upgrade?
[22:16] <kwrite> oshix I see some files and directories but theres no scripts
[22:16] <Ultimate_Chaos> i need help
[22:16] <MrMist1> ohsix: Hmm... Can't get sdd into sleep mode, but the two other drives works perfectly. Is it because I don't mount it somehow? I don't need to have it mounted..
[22:16] <Ultimate_Chaos> i need help
[22:16] <Elad1234> Hi all, I just upgraded to ubuntu 11.04 (using unity), I'm using 2 monitor, the problem is that the notify-osd is on the secondary monitor (nvidia video card), someone can help me please?
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> ohsix: must've missed the question, watching some youtube fun and games now so popping in and out
[22:17] <Ultimate_Chaos> i need help
[22:17] <Elad1234> Ultimate_Chaos, ?
[22:17] <Whinis> ultimate_chaos we see you
[22:17] <silvrax> Cale: i think unclutter hides the cursor after some timeout, mine only goes away when i tooltip is displayed...
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> !ask | Ultimate_Chaos
[22:17] <christhecoolboy> ActionParsnip, do you know anyone who might be able to help me more?!
[22:17] <LjL> Ultimate_Chaos: please don't spam. you've already done something like that the last time you joined. say things ONCE.
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> christhecoolboy: guys in here may
[22:17] <LjL> Ultimate_Chaos: you're currently muted, i'll unmute you when you acknowledge this.
[22:17] <ohsix> notlistening: i did yea, but i haven't been able to use it satisfactorily with compiz .9, very very very awful slow
[22:17] <merlin2049er> hey, just upgraded to narty
[22:17] <rcconf>  how do I create a virtual drive in UBuntu?
[22:17] <rgr> Elad1234: there are logged bugs with notify-osd on dual screen. not least it being invisible.
[22:17] <Ellipsis753> is there a guide to removing the new bar on the left hand size and making ubuntu 11.04 not look like 11.04 somewhere? I've tried to grow to like it but I just can't use it, the lack of an open windows list is a real blow.
[22:17] <merlin2049er> is there a driver for nvidia
[22:18] <sdegutis> why is he muted?
[22:18] <sdegutis> no comprendo