[00:00] <risen> so i have a question that has probably been asked a million times over.. but i;
[00:01] <risen> im running on a pi 2, nd just put the image on the sd card for ubuntuMATE
[00:02] <risen> is it just the pi being this slow or is it the stock config?
[02:42] <david132> Hi' spanish?
[02:43] <david132> Hello,
[03:09] <namnaj> good morning
[06:04] <marcos> buenas noches a todos
[06:06] <Guest59043> resulta que cuando le doy a minimizar a cualquier ventana, esta desaparece y no aparece en la barra de estado/tareas, tengo que darle a ALT+TAB para buscarla nuevamente..no he podido solucionarlo
[06:23] <Guest59043> buenas noches...
[06:23] <Guest59043> necesito ayuda
[09:18] <turtle_> does anyone else have sound issues on mate?
[09:19] <bekks> How does that poll help you solving your sound issues?
[09:19] <turtle_> well if someone else had the same problem we might work something out
[09:20] <turtle_> only headphones work atm
[09:20] <bekks> Then you#'ll be two people with non-working sound.
[09:21] <bekks> Instead of wasting even more time and bandwidth, how about starting to state your actual problem?
[09:21] <turtle_> my sound doesent work, only my headphones output sound, on alsamixer speakers are on max
[09:22] <alkisg> turtle_: try right clicking on the sound applet, then settings, then the hardware tab, and select and test your speakers there
[09:24] <turtle__> my laptop randomly turned off, what did i miss
[09:24] <alkisg> (12:22:25 μμ) alkisg: turtle_: try right clicking on the sound applet, then settings, then the hardware tab, and select and test your speakers there
[09:26] <turtle__> still nothing
[09:26] <alkisg> Which output devices do you see there?
[09:27] <turtle__> built in audio
[09:27] <alkisg> Only one device?
[09:27] <turtle__> yes just 1
[09:27] <alkisg> And which profiles do you see there?
[09:28] <turtle__> do u want me to list all of them
[09:28] <turtle__> ?
[09:28] <alkisg> If you are using the correct one, it's ok
[09:28] <turtle__> analogue stereo output is the one im using now
[09:29] <alkisg> So the audio works from the front output in your case, but not from the output in the back?
[09:30] <turtle_> laptop turned off again sorry
[09:30]  * alkisg wonders if you have more severe issues than the audio :D
[09:31] <alkisg> (12:29:23 μμ) alkisg: So the audio works from the front output in your case, but not from the output in the back?
[09:32] <turtle_> no audio output except headphones work
[09:32] <alkisg> Where do you put the headphones?
[09:32] <alkisg> What happens if you put speakers there?
[09:33] <alkisg> Does it work in other distros/flavors/OSes?
[09:33] <alkisg> Give more info
[09:33] <turtle_> if i plug in headphones audio works, when i take out, speakers not working
[09:33] <turtle_> still
[09:34] <ali1234> turtle_:
[09:34] <turtle_> hm
[09:34] <ali1234> is it a laptop?
[09:34] <turtle_> yes
[09:34] <turtle_> thinkpad x60
[09:34] <alkisg> Ah, sorry, then you mean the internal speakers
[09:34] <turtle_> yes
[09:35] <alkisg> Which kernel do you have? uname -r
[09:35] <ali1234> turtle_:
[09:36] <turtle_> 4.4.0-31-generic
[09:36] <ali1234> install alsa-tools and then run "watch sudo hdajacksensetools"
[09:37] <ali1234> plug / unplug the headphones and observe what happens
[09:37] <alkisg> In the sound settings dialog, in the "output" tab, does it list the internal speakers in the "connector" drop box?
[09:38] <turtle__> laptop turned off randomly again, i will try to fix that first :L
[09:38] <alkisg> (12:37:53 μμ) alkisg: In the sound settings dialog, in the "output" tab, does it list the internal speakers in the "connector" drop box?
[09:39] <turtle__> i see "Speakers"
[09:39] <alkisg> Are they selected when you're testing sound output?
[09:39] <turtle__> yes
[09:40] <alkisg> (12:33:15 μμ) alkisg: Does it work in other distros/flavors/OSes?
[09:40] <alkisg> E.g. did it work in previous versions that had older kernels?
[09:41] <turtle__> im not sure i have only run ubuntu mate on this laptop only on this kernel, just go it
[09:41] <turtle__> got it
[09:41] <alkisg> So it might be a hardware issue?
[09:42] <alkisg> Btw, ali1234 said that, maybe you didn't see it:
[09:42] <turtle__> idk
[09:42] <alkisg> (12:36:25 μμ) ali1234: install alsa-tools and then run "watch sudo hdajacksensetools"
[09:42] <alkisg> (12:37:03 μμ) ali1234: plug / unplug the headphones and observe what happens
[09:42] <turtle__> ok
[09:42] <alkisg> ...although I don't see a command named hdajacksensetools
[09:43] <alkisg> Personally, before troubleshooting more, I'd try an older live cd or even a windows "live cd"
[09:43] <alkisg> ...there's no point in troubleshooting software if it's a hardware issue
[09:43] <turtle__> ok
[09:43] <turtle__> :/
[09:44] <turtle__> i have a custom bios
[09:44] <turtle__> libreboot
[09:44] <turtle__> ill reflash and try again if sound works
[09:48] <alkisg> Yeah that's one of the things you should mention in the beginning, when joining IRC :)
[09:52] <turtle__> rebooting now
[09:56] <turtle_> still no sound after reflash :c
[10:00] <alkisg> turtle_: try a different ubuntu version, or even a different OS, to make sure it's not a hardware issue
[10:01] <turtle_> ubuntu mate is the only os where my laptop doesent constantly beep
[10:01] <turtle_> what program uses alsaconf
[10:01] <turtle_> when i type alsaconf it says not found
[10:11] <turtle_> ill try to see if my external DAC works
[10:46] <fnord_> hi alkisg after install ubu-mate 16.04.1 no update && dist-upgrade requiered. is it right?
[10:48] <fnord_> alkisg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/20730273/
[10:48] <bekks> No, thats not right.
[10:48] <bekks> After an installation, you should install updates as the first step.
[10:49] <bekks> Before installing updates, you should configure package sources to your needs, and then you might get updates the installation process did not even take into account.
[10:53] <fnord_> bekks, sorry, it not works for me an I do not know why?
[10:54] <bekks> What does "not work" for you?
[10:55] <fnord_> I do that not for first time
[10:55] <fnord_> now it does not work
[10:55] <bekks> WHAT does not work?
[10:55] <fnord_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20730273/
[10:55] <bekks> What does not work in your paste? The output looks perfect.
[10:56] <fnord_> the process of updating
[10:56] <fnord_> after installing
[10:56] <bekks> IT works perfectly, no errors to be seen.
[10:56] <bekks> Why do you suspect it isnt working?
[10:56] <fnord_> moment
[10:57] <fnord_> please
[10:57] <ouroumov> That's just because your system is already up to date fnord_
[10:57] <ouroumov> So there's nothing to be done
[10:57] <bekks> Which is totally different from "does not work".
[10:57] <fnord_> ouroumov, really, great..
[10:57] <ouroumov> ^^
[10:57] <fnord_> bekks, sorry
[10:57] <bekks> Just READ the actual output in your pastebin.
[10:58] <ouroumov> bekks, I suspect fnord_ is rather new at this
[10:59] <fnord_> bekks, :-)
[10:59] <bekks> I know he isnt, since he was around in the german ubuntu channels for quite a long time.
[10:59] <bekks> He isnt updating for the first time :P
[10:59] <fnord_> ouroumov, from day to day I will be better
[10:59] <fnord_> ouroumov, I feel that
[11:00] <fnord_> :-)
[11:45] <fnord_> bekks, ouroumov  First, what I do ever after istalling, is updating.. I did it twice: 1. willcome fenster 2. terminal. Every method leaded to the same result: system is updated.
[11:46] <fnord_> I was very surprised
[11:46] <fnord_> of that
[11:52] <bekks> And why does that lead to your assumption of "does not work" then when it clearly tells that it works fine and no updates had been found?
[12:07] <fnord_> bekks, because I see it for the first time ever after 1410 linux installations.
[12:08] <fnord_> nothing to updade was a surprising for me
[12:17] <bekks> I strongly doubt you did thta much linux installations.
[12:18] <bekks> And with a working internet connection during the install and NO modifications to the sources the outcome is "already updated". Always.
[12:19] <bekks> Hpwever. Your system is up to date.
[13:21] <fnord_> bekks, I got it, thx
[13:23] <hp> in
[13:24] <hp> l
[13:24] <hp> hey
[13:24] <ouroumov> hi
[13:24] <hp> hey there
[13:24] <hp> my name is FoxyTheBoy
[13:24] <hp> you can call me Foxy
[13:25] <hp> oops...
[13:25] <hp> gotta go!
[15:40] <ben_nabiy> How do I get Ubuntu-Mate USB installer to detect UEFI?
[15:41] <ben_nabiy> When I set up my linuxmint installer, it automatically detects that UEFI is available, and I can boot in UEFI mode, but not so with Ubuntu-Mate
[15:41] <ouroumov> afaik you don't have to do anything
[15:41] <ben_nabiy> that is what I thought, but it is not working
[15:41] <ben_nabiy> and my other installer is working
[15:42] <ouroumov> are you manually partitioning?
[15:42] <ben_nabiy> I used the USB Startup Disk
[15:42] <ben_nabiy> forget the name of it
[15:43] <ben_nabiy> I can install in legacy mode, but would rather use UEFI
[15:43] <ben_nabiy> is it possible I have too many UEFI devices, and it is not registering?
 are you manually partitioning?
[15:45] <ouroumov> Anyway.
[15:46] <ouroumov> Check in your Boot menu if you have an UEFI option for your USB device (I mean your BIOS boot menu, not the GRUB boot menu)
[15:50] <ben_nabiy> I am not getting a UEFI option for my boot device (the USB stick) when I do get one for the same stick flashed with linuxmint installer
[15:51] <ouroumov> How are you flashing it? Startup Disk Creator?
[15:51] <ben_nabiy> ouroumov: yes
[15:51] <ouroumov> Okay, I'm not sure what that program's actually doing. Have you tried the more violent "dd" method?
[15:51] <ben_nabiy> ouroumov: I have done this many times in the past and worked fine
[15:52] <ben_nabiy> I am going to check my UEFI again, make sure something didn't get switched around in it
[15:52] <ouroumov> SDC has been stripped of features in recent releases
[15:52] <ben_nabiy> As long as I know it "should work" then I will look for other mistakes on my end
[15:52] <ben_nabiy> that could be
[15:53] <ouroumov> For instance: it doesn't allow for persistence space setup anymore
[15:53] <ben_nabiy> I noticed that
[15:53] <ouroumov> Who knows what else went with that :/
[15:53] <ben_nabiy> perhaps I need to fire up an older version and create it that way
[15:53] <ouroumov> ben_nabiy, can you try the "dd" flashing method before you do that?
[15:54] <ouroumov> If you don't know the method, I can explain
[15:59] <ben_nabiy> ouroumov: dd if=path/to/image of=/dev/blah oflag=direct ?
[15:59] <ouroumov> dd if=/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync
[16:00] <ouroumov> While being careful not to write the wrong sdX, because if you write sda you'll nuke your system
[16:00] <ben_nabiy> ouroumov: you assume I am installed to /dev/sda :)
[16:00] <ouroumov> right
[16:00] <ouroumov> whateveer before that identify your USB drive using lsblk or df -h
[16:01] <ben_nabiy> ouroumov: be careful about asserting things like that because someone might not have a standard install.   But thank you for the caution
[16:02] <ben_nabiy> will try things out, back in a bit
[16:08] <ubuntu-mate> hi there
[16:09] <pavlushka> Hi mate!
[16:09] <ubuntu-mate> i trying to install ubuntu mate 16.04 but get error from grup install
[16:09] <ubuntu-mate> and cansel the insatallation
[16:10] <ubuntu-mate> how i can fix
[16:10] <ouroumov> What's the error?
[16:11] <ubuntu-mate> well say fatal error grub many canot insall
[16:13] <pavlushka> ubuntu-mate: can you boot from live CD/USB?
[16:13] <ubuntu-mate> im in live usb
[16:13] <ubuntu-mate> now
[16:13] <ben_nabiy> amazing what a bios flash will do
[16:14] <ben_nabiy> all of a sudden I had UEFI again :)
[16:14] <pavlushka> ubuntu-mate: then run in terminal "sudo -i", and press enter, and then "fdisk -l" and paste it in paste.ubuntu.com and give us the paste link
[16:15] <ben_nabiy> ouroumov: thank you for trying to help :) I don't want you to think I didn't appreciate your imput
[16:15] <ben_nabiy> *input
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> Device          Start        End    Sectors   Size Type
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> Disk /dev/sdb: 7.4 GiB,<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes, 15441920 sectors
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> Disklabel type: gpt
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> Disk identifier: 57A8AD39-34EF-414A-B0C0-B42E5404AB2D
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> Device     Start      End  Sectors  Size Type
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> root@ubuntu-mate:~#
[16:18] <ubuntu-mate> '/dev/sda1        2048     616447     614400   300M Windows recovery environment
[16:18] <ubuntu-mate> '
[16:19] <ubuntu-mate> dev/sda1        2048     616447     614400   300M Windows recovery environment
[16:19] <pavlushka> ubuntu-mate: do you have any other system installed on that machine?
[16:21] <ubuntu-mate> windows
[16:21] <ubuntu-mate> i cant past the disk list some reason
[16:21] <ubuntu-mate> dev/sda2      616448     821247     204800   100M EFI System
[16:21] <ubuntu-mate> dev/sda3      821248    1083391     262144   128M Microsoft reserved
[16:21] <ubuntu-mate> Device          Start        End    Sectors   Size Type
[16:21] <pavlushka> ubuntu-mate: do you want to keep the MS-windows system?
[16:22] <ubuntu-mate> well i like to have windows
[16:22] <ubuntu-mate> to play some game
[16:22]  * pavlushka laughs
[16:23] <ubuntu-mate> \Device          Start        End    Sectors   Size Type
[16:24] <ubuntu-mate> \
[16:24] <ubuntu-mate> dev/sda1        2048     616447     614400   300M Windows recovery environment
[16:24] <ubuntu-mate> dev/sda2      616448     821247     204800   100M EFI System
[16:24] <ubuntu-mate> dev/sda3      821248    1083391     262144   128M Microsoft reserved
[16:24] <ubuntu-mate> dev/sda4     1083392  203880447  202797056  96.7G Microsoft basic data
[16:24] <pavlushka> ubuntu-mate: and your Windows version is?
[16:25] <ubuntu-mate> dev/sda5   203880448  204802047     921600   450M Windows recovery environment
[16:25] <ubuntu-mate> dev/sda6   204802048<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER> 732.4G Microsoft basic data
[16:25] <ubuntu-mate> dev/sda7<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER>  198184960  94.5G Linux filesystem
[16:25] <ubuntu-mate> dev/sda8<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER>   14536704     7G Linux swap
[16:25] <ubuntu-mate> 10
[16:26] <pavlushka> ubuntu-mate: Go to system bios and disable secure boot first.
[16:26] <ubuntu-mate> is disable
[16:26] <pavlushka> ubuntu-mate: and....
[16:27] <ubuntu-mate> well i bin have mate for couple monts
[16:28] <ubuntu-mate> but for some reason last night when i put my laptop on mate no load
[16:28] <pavlushka> ubuntu-mate: side by side with windows?
[16:28] <ubuntu-mate> and i trying to reinstall and give me the error
[16:28] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[16:31] <PartyLine> now i trying again and i passt the error
[16:32] <PartyLine> this time
[16:32] <pavlushka> PartyLine: so, its good?
[16:33] <PartyLine> well we see
[16:33] <PartyLine> half way done
[16:33] <pavlushka> PartyLine: and like to know if you Ubuntu-MATE is 32 or 64 bit?
[16:34] <pavlushka> *your
[16:34] <PartyLine> 64
[16:34] <PartyLine> but i
[16:34] <pavlushka> it should go well I suppose
[16:34] <pavlushka> PartyLine: but ?
[16:35] <PartyLine> but if i cant install the system now im scro i dont have system to donwold another system
[16:36] <pavlushka> PartyLine: Lets see and you have windows! that should do, :p
[16:37] <PartyLine> well with out grup i cant run windows
[16:38] <pavlushka> PartyLine: without GRUB you can, but that's another story.
[16:38] <PartyLine> i anable internet this time to see if any diferent
[16:39] <PartyLine> a i have lenovo z50-75
[16:39] <pavlushka> PartyLine: will depend on your internet speed, the time.
[16:39] <ouroumov> It's usually not, it just takes longer
[16:39] <PartyLine> mate cant found wifi driver
[16:40] <pavlushka> PartyLine: and though with super speed even, it will take a little longer than installing from USB, :)
[16:41] <pavlushka> PartyLine: haven't you enable the option while installing,"install the third party drives" or something like this?
[16:41] <pavlushka> *drivers
[16:41] <pavlushka> *enabled
[16:42] <PartyLine> yes
[16:42] <pavlushka> PartyLine: no problem, we can work on that after install, :)
[16:42] <PartyLine> yes i do now i connect my phone with usb debugin for internet
[16:44] <PartyLine> if we intall
[16:45] <PartyLine> i bin have problem with this commant last time
[16:45] <PartyLine> sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) git
[16:45] <PartyLine> and i cant insatll git clone
[16:46] <PartyLine> i have ath10k-firmware
[16:49] <pavlushka> PartyLine: you just have to install git.
[16:50] <pavlushka> PartyLine: and then you can use git to clone, see?
[16:51] <pavlushka> PartyLine: and I guess you are talking about this thread https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2303292
[16:58] <PartyLine> with internet i have install complete
[16:58] <pavlushka> and PartyLine  you should take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[16:58] <pavlushka> for installation issues.
[16:59] <PartyLine> no installation issuse i will restat now
[17:00]  * pavlushka hoping for a successful boot, keeping his fingers crossed.
[17:01] <pavlushka> Hello ouroumov !
[17:01] <ouroumov> hi
[17:01] <pavlushka> ouroumov: please correct me if I make some mistakes, :)
[17:02] <ouroumov> 'bout what? ^^
[17:02] <pavlushka> ouroumov: just in case, you are the backup plan , :p
[17:03] <ouroumov> I'm sorry I gave up on understanding what PartyLine was writing a while ago
[17:04] <pavlushka> ouroumov: no problemo, still you are the backup plan, :p
[17:34] <latitude> need some help setting up a VPN
[17:45] <bekks> First, you need to ask a specific question.
[17:50] <pavlushka> latitude: you can take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VPN
[18:09] <ouroumov> latitude, also the OpenVPN documentation is pretty good.
[18:09] <ouroumov> (If by setting up you mean the server-side)
[18:24] <latitude> thanks for the info. I have lots to read before I ask more question about VPN setup.
[21:14] <megazell> Hey all!
[22:19] <megazell> Hi all. I have a quick issue I am trying to resolve on Ubuntu Mate 16.04.01 64 bit.


 I'm sudoking, it sounds good
[00:30] <jdong> gnomefreak: late response, I know python and ruby fairly fluently, perl I know enough that I can hack some simple code and get by; by no means fluent
[00:30] <gnomefreak> jdong: hmmmmm
[00:31] <gnomefreak> jdong: how hard would it be to turn py code into perl?
[00:31]  * jdong cries a bit about hybridized orbitals
[00:31] <jdong> gnomefreak: at the mechanics, extremely easy
[00:31] <jdong> gnomefreak: the bigger challenge is mapping all the Python API calls to Perl ones
[00:32] <gnomefreak> that could cause a problem
[00:32] <jdong> gnomefreak: is this relatd to porting chanserv.py to chanserv.pl? ;-)
[00:32] <gnomefreak> yep
[00:32] <gnomefreak> :)
[00:32] <jdong> gnomefreak: tell ya what
[00:32] <gnomefreak> or adding parts to it
[00:32] <jdong> gnomefreak: when my school load clears up (i.e. winter break), I *definitely* want to do that
[00:32] <jdong> gnomefreak: I got 10% there to cloning chanserv.py as chanserv.rb for weechat
[00:33] <gnomefreak> jdong: i would be glad to help if needed
[00:33] <jdong> then the weechat API pissed me off and I stopped that
[00:33] <jdong> hopefully irssi would be more sane.
[00:33] <gnomefreak> lol
[00:33] <gnomefreak> i was thinking of trying weechat
[00:33] <jdong> gnomefreak: trying to figure out who's opped and not via scripting is a looping construct.
[00:33] <jdong> that threw me over the edge
[00:33] <jdong> gnomefreak: weechat is okay, but IMO not as good as a properly customized irssi
[00:34] <jdong> gnomefreak: out of the box, IMO weechat is better configured than irssi
[00:34] <jdong> but it's much less configurable overall
[00:34] <gnomefreak> really?
[00:34] <jdong> yeah
[00:34]  * gnomefreak loves irssi
[00:34] <jdong> I also strongly disagree with some of their UI decisions
[00:34] <gnomefreak> weechats?
[00:34] <jdong> for example, /bans outputs the list of bans for the current channel into the "server window"
[00:34] <jdong> which is painful and confusing
[00:35] <jdong> unbans cannot be referred to by a number (that I can see)
[00:35] <gnomefreak> thats not very helpful
[00:35] <jrib> no love for irssi-python?
[00:35] <jdong> jrib: does it exist?
[00:35] <gnomefreak> jrib: not yet
[00:35] <gnomefreak> jdong: 2006 SOC they ssaid they were working on it
[00:35] <gnomefreak> never seen it surface
[00:35] <jrib> jdong: depends on your definition of "exist" but I've been using it for over a year
[00:35] <jdong> gnomefreak: yeah, I've seen that on their website
[00:35] <jdong> jrib: tell us more
[00:36] <gnomefreak> jrib: you added py support to irssi?
[00:36] <jrib> http://svn.irssi.org/repos/irssi-python/
[00:36] <jrib> gnomefreak: yep
[00:36] <jdong> gnomefreak: personally as far as porting chanserv goes, IMO it's not much different between py and pl
[00:36] <jdong> gnomefreak: the majority of the grunt will be mapping xchat API's onto irssi's
[00:36] <gnomefreak> jdong: even adding the commands to auto_serv_bleh
[00:37] <gnomefreak> jrib: still supports perl?
[00:37] <jrib> gnomefreak: yep, it's just a plugin for irssi
[00:37] <gnomefreak> jdong: seems that part has been done i just hope it supports both
[00:38] <jrib> I needed to do this in order to compile successfully: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42763/
[00:38] <jdong> jrib: is it stable?
[00:39] <jrib> jdong: has been for me.  Problem is it is unmaintained.  Only issue I have come across is I don't know how to write scripts that do completion
[00:39] <gnomefreak> jdong: changelog says first release
[00:39]  * gnomefreak not good with svn
[00:39] <jdong> meh I'll play with it later...
[00:39] <gnomefreak> spend most of my time playing with bzr
[00:40] <jdong> perl scripting is fine for now, just need to find patience and time to learn irssi
[00:40] <jdong> gnomefreak: client side UI to svn is very similar to bzr
[00:40] <jdong> gnomefreak: server side UI to svn makes you jump off a cliff :)
[00:40] <gnomefreak> so just svn "checkout" http://svn.irssi.org/repos/irssi-python/?
[00:40] <jdong> gnomefreak: in fact, a bzr "checkout" (bound branch) has virtually identical commandset
[00:41] <jdong> gnomefreak: yep, checkout
[00:41] <jdong> gnomefreak: commit would be commit (if you had write access)
[00:41] <jdong> diff, log, and so on are all identical
[00:41] <gnomefreak> cool
[00:41] <gnomefreak> but nothing like cvs i hope
[00:41] <jdong> lol
[00:41] <gnomefreak> cvs is a pain to learn compared to bzr
[00:41] <jdong> svn is actually quite sane to use/learn on both the client and server side
[00:42] <jdong> IMO svn servers are more trouble than one bargains for
[00:42] <jdong> CVS is just a nightmare
[00:42] <gnomefreak> i agree
[00:42] <gnomefreak> mozilla uses cvs
[00:42] <jdong> epseically combined with like a ssh authentication method, setting up even a client makes you cry
[00:43] <gnomefreak> jrib: those commands on pastebin should do it all?
[00:43]  * gnomefreak doesnt see ./configure
[00:43] <gnomefreak> nor make
[00:43] <jrib> you still need to run ./configure and make
[00:44] <gnomefreak> after those commands right?
[00:44] <jrib> oh and you need a copy of the irssi source in the right spot
[00:44]  * gnomefreak wonders wth libtoolize is
[00:44] <gnomefreak> jrib: that would help i guess, does it have to be upstreams?
[00:45] <jrib> gnomefreak: no idea, I have 0.8.10 in there
[00:45] <gnomefreak> .8.11-0ubuntu1
[00:46] <jdong> gnomefreak: just get a 1-page perl primer. it'll be faster ;-)
[00:46] <gnomefreak> ;)
[00:46]  * jdong wonders if one can use regex to match parameters.....
[00:46] <jdong> ooh NOW I'm really tempted to write chanserv.pl and stop studying chem
[00:46] <gnomefreak> lol chem is fun
[00:47] <jdong> gnomefreak: good you can take my test for me.
[00:47] <gnomefreak> jdong: be glad to
[00:47] <jdong> are you at UDS?
[00:47] <gnomefreak> i wish
[00:47] <gnomefreak> i have court tomorrow so i couldnt make it to UDS
[00:47] <jdong> yeah you wish, then you can take my test for me right down the street.
[00:48] <gnomefreak> i never said it was easy just fun
[00:48] <gnomefreak> :)
[00:48] <jdong> :)
[00:48] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[00:48] <jdong> first rule of this place, nothing is fun anymore :)
[00:48] <jdong> second rule: there's three bridges within walking distance. It's a natural barrier. Indecision between which bridge to use prevents more suicides than long holiday breaks.
[00:49] <jrib> heh
[00:49] <no0tic> apart from me and my joins.. there ever was something fun here?
[00:49] <jdong> no0tic: pfft fun in the ops channel....
[00:49] <jdong> no0tic: how canst we helpest thee?
[00:50] <gnomefreak> normally the fun happens in #ubuntu-ops-happy-hour
[00:50] <gnomefreak> thats not a bad idea
[00:50] <gnomefreak> ;)
[00:50] <no0tic> jdong, I r inzide you brein, eating your fun
[00:51] <gnomefreak> ok i will test my hand at irssi-pyton tomorrow i have to get some sleep tonight and seamonkey is kicking my mem/cpus ass
[00:51] <gnomefreak> night all
[01:08] <PriceChild> flaccid in #kubuntu
[01:09] <jdong> PriceChild: you might want to put an "is" somewhere in that statement
[01:09] <PriceChild> not really...
[01:09] <Hobbsee> trolling, or just there?
[01:09] <jdong> PriceChild: but I know, KDE isn't all that sexually thrilling ;-)
[01:09] <PriceChild> I removed him the other day...
[01:09] <PriceChild> I think he just realised I didn't ban him at the same time.
[01:09] <jdong> you'd want like #ubuntu-e17 or something
[01:10] <PriceChild> !ohmy | jdong
[01:10] <ubotu> jdong: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[01:10] <jdong> ow, those beeps hurt when ALSA is broken!
[01:10] <nalioth> jdong: huh?
[01:10] <PriceChild> ping jdong
[01:10] <jdong> AAAHHHH
[01:10] <no0tic> jdong, ?
[01:10] <jdong> y'all suck
[01:10] <jdong> no0tic: I thought I was smarter than the ALSA devs and did some codec patching.
[01:10] <jdong> oops.
[01:11] <jdong> now sound is like the auditory equivalent of electroshock therapy
[01:11] <jdong> and somehow I broke mute too.
[01:11] <PriceChild> hmmm i don't have any of your im accounts to ping you on jdong...
[01:12] <jdong> PriceChild: it's fortunate I'm not logged in either :)
[01:12] <PriceChild> *fires up skype*
[01:12] <nalioth> jdong: #ubuntu-e17 ?
[01:12] <jdong> PriceChild: why would I start skype if ALSA was broken?
[01:12] <jdong> nalioth: I doubt it actually exists :)
[01:12] <PriceChild> jdong, I don't know but it would be good if you did
[01:13] <jdong> nalioth: was trying to think of a window manager that's genuinely sexy
[01:13] <PriceChild> e17's ridiculous... and it runs so well
[01:13] <jdong> PriceChild: that's the sexiness...
[01:13] <PriceChild> on old hardware
[01:13] <PriceChild> I choose it over xfce any day
[01:13] <jdong> you'd expect it to take similar tolls as compiz for its glamor
[01:13] <jdong> but it doesn't.
[01:13] <PriceChild> mhmm
[01:13] <jdong> the only thing about E17 is that the speed of the product is balanced by the glacial release cycle :)
[01:14] <PriceChild> hehe
[01:14] <jdong> hence conservation of space-time is preserved.
[01:14] <PriceChild> the menus annoy me a little...
[01:14] <PriceChild> haven't used it in aaaages though
[01:14]  * nalioth runs E17 on his new(er) hardware
[01:17]  * tonyyarusso wishes E17 would be a) Packaged, b) Final
[01:48] <no0tic> night all
[01:49] <nalioth> night
[01:49] <mneptok> buan sera, no0tic
[01:49] <mneptok> *buna
[01:49] <no0tic> mneptok, *buona notte :)
[01:50] <no0tic> mneptok, "sera" is before midnight I suppose
[01:51] <no0tic> bye
[01:55] <kahrytan> I would like to thank you all for helping me hate GPL supporters.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ooookay?
[01:57] <nalioth> kahrytan: you're welcome? (what did we do?)
[01:58] <kahrytan> ubuntu ops are basis against those who dont share their anti-capitalism pro-gpl|oss beliefs.
[01:58] <kahrytan> and always stand up for liars like mneptok
[01:59] <Hobbsee> ooookay?
[01:59] <kahrytan> Stop that
[02:00] <kahrytan> thats disrespectful.
[02:01] <kahrytan> I want mneptok removed.
[02:01] <kahrytan> He is a liar.
[02:02] <kahrytan> Remove him now
[02:03] <nalioth> can you start at the beginning of this tale, kahrytan ?
[02:03] <kahrytan> Ask him when im not around.  Removeth her now!
[02:05] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:05]  * jdong hides in a cave
[02:06] <jdong> err... Kave.
[02:13] <mneptok> *someone* needs a juice box and a nap.
[02:16] <jdong> mneptok: but but but, I'm not tired
[02:16] <jdong> mneptok: and mommy says juice boxes have high fructose corn syrup and sodium benzoate which is bad for my pancreas.
[02:17] <elkbuntu_> aww... i missed the kahrytan showdown
[02:20]  * elkbirthday waits patiently for the logs to update
[02:20]  * LjL doesn't bother and goes to sleep
[02:22] <jdong> elkbirthday: http://jdong.mit.edu/~jdong/log4elkbuntu.txt
[02:23] <jdong> near bottom.
[02:24] <elkbirthday> ha. i hope we have namespace-wide bans :Þ
[02:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, MorelOrel said: !pastebin? what is this?
[02:57] <nalioth> ubotu tell MorelOrel about pastebin
[03:31] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:46] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
 elkbirthday, another year hallmarked by the sacrificing of virgin blood and tormenting innocent users? <-- who else deems this trolling?
[03:48] <mneptok> elkbirthday: don't give him nte satisfaction
[03:48] <mneptok> *the
[03:48] <elkbirthday> mneptok, which is why i havent responded
[05:03] <crdlb> !-language
[05:03] <ubotu> language aliases: langauge, wtf, ffs, foad, gtfo, nsfw - added by Seveas on 2006-07-02 10:45:17
[05:03] <crdlb> !-ohmy
[05:03] <ubotu> ohmy has no aliases - added by Spec on 2006-07-28 00:11:42
[05:03] <crdlb> might want to fix that :)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> !language
[05:22] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> !ohmy
[05:22] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !ohmy is <alias> language
[05:23] <ubotu> But ohmy already means something else!
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !forget ohmy
[05:23] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Hobbsee
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !ohmy is <alias> language
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !ohmy is <alias> language
[05:23] <Hobbsee> ubotu:
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !ping
[05:23] <ubotu> pong
[05:23] <Hobbsee> oh damn
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !ohmy is <alias> language
[05:47] <Jucato> !ping
[05:47] <ubotu> pong
[05:50] <nalioth> KLANG
[06:01] <crdlb> Hobbsee: that's a bug in ubotu, you need to set it to something without an alias, then use !no ohmy is <alias> ...
[06:01] <crdlb> no idea why I remember that
[06:02] <nalioth> Hobbsee: that's a bug in crdlb, he has no idea why he remembers things
[06:02] <nalioth> :D
[06:02] <Hobbsee> !ohmy is bar
[06:02] <ubotu> But ohmy already means something else!
[06:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:02] <Hobbsee> !no ohmy is bar
[06:02] <ubotu> I know nothing about ohmy yet, Hobbsee
[06:02] <Hobbsee> that bug.
[06:02] <crdlb> gah ouch
[06:24] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:59] <ubotu> Kagar called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:14] <Madpilot> gah, it'd be nice if you could clear bans without spamming the heck out of the channel...
[09:35] <Daviey> okay.. who borked !ohmy :/
[09:35] <Daviey> !ohmy
[09:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ohmy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:57] <Seeker`> Daviey: I blame Gary
[10:01] <Daviey> Gary is the root of most probs IMO
[10:28] <Hobbsee> me
[11:19] <PriceChild> http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/31/ubuntu-eats-lappy-hard-drive - oh for crying out loud
[11:20] <PriceChild> "however it seems that Ubuntu made the grave mistake of doing what the hard drive manufacturers told them."
[11:20] <Pici> I saw that a bit earlier.
[11:20] <Pici> Of course, no one will actuall read the article.
[11:20] <Pici> s/actuall/actually/
[11:20] <Daviey> Hobbsee: why the removal of !ohmy?
[11:21] <Hobbsee> Daviey: because i made the mistake of removing !ohmy
[11:21] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: ah yes.  *sigh*
[11:21] <Hobbsee> not like hardware manufacturers know their hardware, or antying.
[11:21] <Daviey> Hobbsee: ahh.. assumed it was planned, np
[11:22] <Hobbsee> and it's a bug.
[11:22] <Daviey> Also, from what it seems - ubuntu doesn't put laptops into "laptop mode" as default.. it's a manual conf setting
[11:23] <PriceChild> Daviey, indeed
[11:23] <PriceChild> mjg59 did an explanation of it all a while ago
[11:23] <Daviey> Luckily Ubuntu Demon helped spread the FUD tho.. good job!
[11:23] <Daviey> PriceChild: yeah, i read that... it was good readidng
[11:23] <Daviey> s/reading
[11:23] <PriceChild> Daviey, indeed
[12:48] <jdong> Daviey: ubuntu_demon corrected himself after the second one
[12:48] <jdong> to be honest, the laptop_mode=on scenario was a bad choice of defaults for Ubuntu
[12:48] <jdong> Ubuntu is the *only* distro that I know that sets hdparm -B1 when laptop_mode is enabled
[12:48] <Daviey> but it isn't AIUI
[12:49] <jdong> (this is not default behavior of laptop_mode -- laptop_mode.conf defaults to NOT adjusting power management for the HDD)
[12:49] <jdong> it also doesn't help that powertop's initial suggestion list includes turning on laptop_mode
[12:49] <Daviey> this is true
[12:50] <jdong> it's a case of not turned on by default, but no warning that turning it on would have SUCH nasty effects
[12:50] <jdong> and IMO that's *still* a Ubuntu bug.
[12:50] <jdong> we should not have landmine options in config files, especially not without clear warning....
[12:50] <jdong> should we add in a DESKTOP_MODE=false and when set to true it reformats all the drives??
[12:51] <jdong> I also did not understand Matthew's argument for why hdparm -B 1 is set rather than a more sensible value, like -B 100 or more
[12:52] <jdong> he seems to have implied that not all drives decide to go into parked mode immediately when B=1, but on all of my hard drives that support -B, this is the case.
[12:56] <jdong> *sigh* does Kevin really need to be doing all of his intro to CS homework on the Planet?
[12:56] <jdong> not that I don't enjoy reading decently challenging CS problems
[12:56] <jdong> or that I have anything against .NET (I'm a fanboy)
[13:07] <Amaranth> #ubuntu+1 got reopened?
[13:08] <Pici> Amaranth: yes.
[13:08] <Hobbsee> well, hardy is open, and seems working
[13:16] <ikonia> Hobbsee what is hardy's base kenrel ?
[13:16] <ikonia> kernel even
[13:16] <Hobbsee> same as gutsy atm
[13:20] <no0tic> hi all
[13:20] <Pici> howdy
[13:40] <Pici> Heh, Ubuntu Demon apoligized for his post bumping
[13:44] <jdong> Pici: I think he genuinely had no idea it was happening
[13:44] <Pici> jdong: Thats what it sounded like.
[13:44] <jdong> Pici: which I agree with -- it's an unintuitive problem with the planet system
[13:44] <Pici> Although if I had a planet feed, I'd probably be reading it too and would have seen all the posts I was making...
[13:45] <jdong> Pici: well it looks like he simply doesn't read planet on a regular basis
[13:45] <jdong> Pici: which I feel the same way about. IMO the quality of the posts on the planet have degraded drastically
[13:46] <jdong> and most of the times it's a waste of my time reading about someone's CS homework, or how Chister downgraded libc6 so that his macbook would work "with no bad consequences", the newest nokia device....
[13:46] <jdong> I RSS-aggregate the blogs on planet that seem to have decent content and I read them independently.
[13:46] <Pici> Or how so and so went on vacation to whatisplace and here are the vacation photos.
[13:47] <jdong> I don't mind some personal stuff here and there
[13:47] <jdong> I enjoy learning about the lives of people outside of Ubuntu
[13:47] <Pici> Sometimes its a bit much though.
[13:47] <jdong> agreed
[13:56] <Pici> !hdbug
[13:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu does *not* modify hard drive parameters by default.  Please see http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77672.html for a technical analysis and also http://tinyurl.com/2vyrft for more information
[13:57] <Pici> Comments? Changes?
[14:10] <Pici> switched it around a bit:
[14:10] <Pici> !hdbug
[14:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu does *not* modify hard-drive lifespans by default. A technical analysis from a Debian/Ubuntu developer can be found at http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77672.html (See https://launchpad.net/bug59695.html and http://tinyurl.com/2vyrft for more information)
[14:11] <Hobbsee> Pici: he's also the guy who deals with acpi*
[14:12] <Pici> Hobbsee: mjg59?
[14:12] <Hobbsee> yes
[14:12] <Hobbsee> and suspend and resume
[14:13] <Pici> hmm
[14:13] <jdong> Pici: Ubuntu Technical Board member and ACPI expert.
[14:13] <jdong> :)
[14:14] <LjL> Hobbsee: oh, really, can i kill him then?
[14:14] <Hobbsee> LjL: no.
[14:14] <Hobbsee> LjL: we wnat S&R actually working for *most* machines.
[14:14] <jdong> LjL: didn't you listen to his many "it's not my fault" speeches? :)
[14:14] <jdong> (kidding :D)
[14:15] <LjL> jdong: well i suppose i can kill him "by mistake". or use a proprietary knife that i cannot really control.
[14:15] <Pici> !hdbug =~ s/Ubuntu developer/Ubuntu Technical Board member and ACPI expert/
[14:15] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[14:15] <Pici> !hdbug =~ s/A techincal/An/
[14:15] <ubotu> Nothing changed there
[14:15]  * Pici works on his regex-fu
[14:16] <LjL> modifying hd lifespam...?
[14:16] <LjL> Pici, why don't you just copy and paste :P
[14:16] <Pici> LjL: Because thats boring.
[14:17] <jdong> LjL: I want to modify my lifespam.
[14:18] <jdong> even high definition spam
[14:18] <jdong> that's the worst
[14:18] <LjL> jdong: sudo jdparm /dev/jdong -B 255
[14:19] <jdong> LjL: will that help me burn extra calories?
[14:19] <LjL> jdong: yes and you'll never have to sleep
[14:24] <jdong> LjL: actually -S will still default to 5 minute spindown ;-)
[14:24]  * LjL drops jdong repeatedly with the platters spinning
[14:25] <jdong> LjL: fortunately I run OS X which, unlike Ubuntu, supports automatic parking on freefall without cutting disk lifespan by 10-fold :)
[14:25] <jdong> ha aren't I a troll today :)
[14:26] <LjL> jdong: automatic parking on freefall - suppose that requires an accelerometer. i thought that sort of thing was handled by the drive controller itself?
[14:27] <jdong> LjL: nah, Apple portables have an accelerometer built in
[14:27] <jdong> LjL: and a kernelland driver that monitors it in realtime
[14:28] <jdong> LjL: IBM has similar, and there's a userspace daemon (hdapsd) that monitors similar information on Linux
[14:28] <LjL> jdong: well if the interface to the accelerometer were standardized...
[14:28] <jdong> LjL: unfortunately, currently it's not possible in Linux to park the disk head
[14:28] <jdong> LjL: because there's no API call to freeze all disk activity
[14:28] <jdong> LjL: the patch was written in 2006 for it but has yet to be merged
[14:28] <jdong> LjL: once that's done, using the Linux macbook accelerometer driver to write a parking program is trivial
[14:29] <LjL> jdong: what about immediate poweroff on accelometer readings over threshold?
[14:29] <jdong> LjL: and the same patch for freeze_queue has a standard sysfs interface for IBM and Apple accelerometers
[14:29] <jdong> LjL: about half the acceleration of freefall or so
[14:29] <jdong> LjL: in my experience, not possible to trip without , say, running down stairs with the laptop in hand
[14:30] <LjL> jdong, i mean, what about just powering off the whole machine, since we can't just park the drive
[14:30] <jdong> I haven't exactly tried a drop test...
[14:30] <jdong> LjL: disks really don't spin down fast enough for that, not to mention a hard poweroff can cause much more damage than a drop
[14:30] <jdong> LjL: most good hard drives are rated to some 300-500G's of operating shock
[14:31] <LjL> jdong: meh, a hard poweroff will mess with the filesystem a little at worst... and lose your documents, but that happens routinely whenever X freezes :P still, powering off a drive doesn't park its head?
[14:33] <jdong> LjL: usually not immediately
[14:33] <jdong> LjL: they usually use rotational inertia counteracting a spring to park.....
[14:34] <jdong> which means you probably need for the drive to spin down significantly before it returns to a near parked position
[14:34] <jdong> while issuing a park command is nearly instant
[14:34] <LjL> jdong: will the next generation of Macs come with mini-jets to make the laptop float above ground when a fall is detected?
[14:35]  * jrib runs to the patent office
[14:35] <LjL> jrib: we have logs, and i'll sue you :P
[14:35] <Pici> LjL: I think I saw a commercial like that... /me looks
[14:37] <Pici> LjL: http://www.lenovo.co.uk/tapes/kent.html
[14:38] <jrib> wait, that's fake right?
[14:38] <jdong> LjL: lol, that would be hilarious
[14:38] <jdong> LjL: or deployable mini-springs ;-)
[14:38] <Pici> jdong: see my link
[14:38]  * jrib sees the strings
[14:38] <jdong> Pici: eeeeeewwww, I don't swing that way
[14:38] <Pici> o.O
[14:39] <jdong> Pici: say "See my hypertext anchor" next time
[14:39] <jdong> actually.... that sounds pretty bad too
[14:39] <jdong> never mind :)
[14:40] <LjL> jdong: or just an airbag
[14:40]  * Pici remembers that IBM commercial about dropping someones laptop
[14:41] <jdong> Pici: how about a commercial for dropping an entire line of laptops and sending them to some chinese company?
[14:41] <jdong> oh wait that is their entire commercial collection
[14:41] <Pici> Hehe
[14:42] <LjL> jdong: perhaps "see my address" would be a more cautious invite
[14:43] <Pici> I'm just going to avoid talking when jdong is around.
[14:43] <LjL> Pici: what are you going to do when mneptok is around then?
[14:43] <jdong> Pici: or maybe re-read every other word you type to make sure it can't be misconstrued as an innuendo? :)
[14:44] <LjL> mc44 will have advice about that too
[16:07] <Jucato> hm.. bot's gone again...
[16:07] <Jucato> Ubotwo: join #kubuntu
[16:08] <Jucato> bah
[16:08] <LjL> Jucato: you probably need to identify, identify jucato password
[16:08] <jpatrick_> Jucato: it's already there
[16:08] <LjL> yeah because i joined it
[16:09] <Jucato> yeah, LjL most probably did it
[16:09] <Jucato> :D
[16:09] <Jucato> can't find me in its user database :)
[16:10] <Jucato> nvm though. LjL's there to save the day :)
[16:11] <LjL> Jucato: i thought you were registered but it seems you aren't... register jucato password
[16:11] <Jucato> I registered.. probably removed me. it's ok :)
[16:15] <Andeh> Hi
[16:15] <Andeh> When I'm in #ubuntu-offtopic and try to talk, it says Cannot send to channel.
[16:15] <Andeh> Um...?
[16:16] <LjL> Andeh: that's because you are muted
[16:16] <Andeh> Oh
[16:17] <Andeh> Until what year?
[16:17] <LjL> Andeh: i don't know, i didn't do the muting. let me check what it was for
[16:18] <Pici> LjL: ubotu is down... looks like the tracker is too :(
[16:18] <Andeh> Thank you.
[16:18] <Andeh> :/
[16:18] <LjL> Pici: ubotu is actually connected, though in no channel
[16:18] <Andeh> heh
[16:18] <Pici> LjL: hm....
[16:18] <Seveas> hoster has network problems
[16:18] <Seveas> colo crap
[16:18] <Andeh> :p
[16:20] <LjL> well Andeh do you have any clue why you were muted? bans and mutes generally last differently long depending on why they happened
[16:22] <Andeh>   :/
[16:22] <Andeh> Well it seems my behaviour angers the ops often
[16:22] <Andeh> so it could have been for anything
[16:23] <Andeh> but it wasnt that suddenly I got a cannot send to channel message while still talking, I connected a week later and then it told me
[16:24] <Andeh> :/
[16:24] <Andeh> ...
[16:25] <Andeh> Cool, I just realised why the audio file I was just making hurt my ears, it had a strong ultrasound peak
[16:25] <Andeh> i'll see if I can remove it
[16:45] <Seveas> hoster is back
[16:45] <Seveas> ubotu will be back soon
[16:46] <Pici> Thanks for the update :_
[16:57] <Andeh> so, why am I muted again?
[16:58] <Andeh> ...
[16:59] <nalioth> Andeh: please be patient or be elsewhere
[16:59] <Andeh> Oh. Well the server is back ent it?
[17:00] <Seveas> that doesn't mean the ops are :)
[17:00] <Seveas> btw, i found this: 2007-09-16T19:55:30 <Andeh> Omg pedos
[17:00] <Seveas> not really something I'd unban/unmute
[17:34] <Seveas> eweka is down again, ubotu isn't functional
[17:34] <tonyyarusso> yay...
[17:35]  * tonyyarusso blames ghosts and goblins
[17:35] <Seveas> they seem to have screwed up routing this time, hmm
[17:35] <Seveas> !test
[17:35] <Seveas> ah, ping says it's back
[17:35] <ubotu> Failed.
[17:36] <Pici> Andeh: It looks like ompaul was the one who set your current mute.  He'd be the person to talk to about removing it.
[17:39] <Seveas> ok, eweka definitely fucked up their routing
[17:41] <nalioth> Seveas: would you like an account on my box here?
[17:41] <Seveas> not much I can do now
[17:41] <Pici> I thought your box was sequestered behind some nasty NATting
[17:41] <nalioth> Seveas: well, i don't know if you mirror your cvs/svn/bzr stuff on a local box (i do)
[17:41] <nalioth> Pici: are you speaking to me? my box is open to the world
[17:42] <Seveas> not the db
[17:42] <nalioth> tonyyarusso has an account on it for powerpc dev'ng
[17:42] <Seveas> Pici, ljl's box is
[17:42] <Pici> Seveas: They're practially the same person :p
[17:42] <nalioth> Seveas: i have the latest factoid db (at least the latest until the server went whacky)
[17:44] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: I think I may have forgotten the pw for it though...  /me cowers
[17:44] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: that's easily corrected
[17:44] <tonyyarusso> would it be possible to re-get login info?
[17:44] <tonyyarusso> :P
[17:45] <tonyyarusso> I just had an IP address before too - haven't you learned the ways of no-ip or something yet?
[17:45] <Seveas> nalioth, do you think profox` qualifies for a channel join limit exception? he's ubuntu member and active dutch loco member
[17:48] <nalioth> Seveas: he's been gifted
[17:48] <Seveas> gracias
[17:48] <nalioth> de nada
[17:59] <jussi01> hmmm, is there a problem with ubotu? (seems very slow) should I take the load off and unmute ubotwo?
[18:00] <Pici> jussi01: Just some server issues. Hopefully it'll be back to normal soon.
[18:01] <Pici> Seems pretty responsive in #ubuntu now
[18:01] <jussi01> Pici: k, thanks
[18:06] <PriceChild> And then there were 4...
[18:06] <PriceChild> *runs off for lunch*
[18:22] <Seeker`> PriceChild: lunch?!
[18:22] <PriceChild> meh tea
[18:22] <PriceChild> i didn't eat lunch
[18:23] <Pici> PriceChild: Do you wear a monocle and a top hat?
[18:23] <PriceChild> tea == evening meal in pricey speak
[18:23] <TheSheep> liquid diet O.o
[18:27] <Seeker`> Pici: Where do you live?
[18:27] <Pici> Seeker`: New Jersey, USA
[18:28] <nalioth> NEW JERSEY!
[18:28] <Pici> yes <.<
[18:28]  * Seeker` calls dinner "tea" sometimes
[18:29] <Pici> I've never heard it called tea.
[18:30] <Seeker`> its a British thing
[18:31] <Seeker`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_%28meal%29#Main_evening_meal
[18:32]  * Pici looks
[18:34] <no0tic> hi all
[18:34] <Pici> hi
[18:35] <TheSheep> how may...
[18:35] <Pici> how may?
[18:35] <TheSheep> nevermind
[18:36] <no0tic> :)
[18:46] <Andeh> ompaul: Hi.
[18:46] <PriceChild> its an Andeh.... can we help?
[18:46] <Andeh> Yeah.
[18:46] <Andeh> Why am I muted?
[18:46] <PriceChild> how? :)
[18:46] <PriceChild> where?
[18:46] <ompaul> I think I know why
[18:46] <Andeh> in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:47] <Andeh> yeah
[18:47] <ompaul> -offoptic
[18:47] <nalioth> Andeh: we got it.  please wait for the op that banned you
[18:47] <ompaul> he just arrived
[18:47] <Andeh> O_o
[18:47] <ompaul> I think
[18:47] <Seveas> he did
[18:47] <ompaul> ahh Seveas so I did did I
[18:47] <Pici> ompaul: yes, I told him you did it.
[18:47] <Andeh> ...
[18:48] <Andeh> Ahem
[18:48] <ompaul> Andeh, the concept of not being annoying to your fellow channel residents is kind of important
[18:48] <ompaul> persist semi trolling
[18:48] <ompaul> so here is the deal
[18:49] <ompaul> you learn how we communicate
[18:50] <ompaul> if you want to participate work within those bounds and don't keep making noise and disrupting it all
[18:50] <ompaul> Andeh, willing to do that?
[18:51] <ompaul> Andeh, and to let you know, most people are not your age in there, in fact some of us are on the wrong side of forty let alone the wrong side of thirty
[18:51] <Seveas> ompaul, but you're still on the good side of the 70 :)
[18:52] <ompaul> Seveas, thanks for finding the silver lining in that :)
[18:52] <ompaul> haha
[18:52] <Seveas> look for the silver lining...
[18:53] <ompaul> Andeh, I'll take your shocked and stunned silence to be a no. You can inform me when you think you might be able to participate in that social grouping, the way they all do.
[18:53] <Seveas> s/they/we/
[18:53] <PriceChild> ohmy has gone?
[18:53] <ompaul> PriceChild, na it is not an ohmy version of reality
[18:53] <ompaul> !ohmy
[18:54] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-bots, Seveas said: !unforget ohmy
[18:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ohmy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:54] <crdlb> PriceChild: my fault sorry :(
[18:54] <PriceChild> ahh tis back now
[18:54] <PriceChild> crdlb, hmm?
[18:54] <crdlb> I pointed out that !ohmy wasn't aliased to !language
[18:54] <Pici> tsk tsk
[18:55] <Andeh> ompaul: Hi
[18:55] <PriceChild> !-ohmy
[18:55] <Andeh> My mum was on the PC
[18:55] <ubotu> ohmy has no aliases - added by Spec on 2006-07-28 00:11:42
[18:55] <crdlb> but when they tried to fix it, ubotu broke :)
[18:55] <Pici> -language
[18:55] <Pici> !-language
[18:55] <ubotu> language aliases: langauge, wtf, ffs, foad, gtfo, nsfw - added by Seveas on 2006-07-02 10:45:17
[18:55] <PriceChild> riiight..... so if i aliased it now.... it would break?
[18:55] <ompaul> Andeh, well scroll back and read what I have been saying since you said Ahem
[18:55] <Andeh> I did just that :D
[18:56] <Seveas> !no ohmy is <alias> language
[18:56] <Andeh> I think I might be able to participate in that social grouping, the way they all do.
[18:56] <ubotu> I'll remember that Seveas
[18:56] <Seveas> ohmy
[18:56] <Seveas> !-ohmy
[18:56] <ubotu> ohmy is <alias> language - added by Spec on 2006-07-28 00:11:42
[18:56] <Andeh> hehe
[18:56] <Seveas> !ohmy
[18:56] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[18:56] <Pici> my oh my
[18:56] <Seveas> ♪ somewhere over the rainbow
[18:56] <ompaul> Andeh, okay, please be aware if I or someone else says calm down, please do so, keep quite for a while.
[18:56] <PriceChild> and all was well in the world...
[18:56] <ompaul> PriceChild, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[18:56] <Seveas> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2007-October/000344.html
[18:56] <ompaul> it is the eve of all hallows the fires are buring
[18:57] <ompaul> burning even
[18:57] <Andeh> ompaul: I think the exact wording was "fucking ignorant moron" rather than calm down, but okay.
[18:57] <jussi01> Seveas: thanks :)
[18:57] <ompaul> Andeh, you just bought yourself another ban
[18:57] <ompaul> I had undone it
[18:57] <Andeh> O_O
[18:58] <Pici> Seveas: :_(
[18:58] <Andeh> I was being serious
[18:58] <ompaul> we don't permit that kind of conversation
[18:58] <Andeh> I know
[18:58] <Andeh> They banned him after he flamed me
[18:58] <ompaul> so using "
[18:58] <ompaul> does not work
[18:58] <Andeh> ...
[18:59] <Andeh> Note to self: Quoting others gets you banned
[18:59] <ompaul> Andeh, can do
[18:59] <ompaul> I'll remove it, don't point fingers
[18:59] <Andeh> it has on several occasions, not just here
[18:59] <Seveas> Andeh, it can if you just pretend quote
[18:59] <Andeh> ?
[18:59] <Seveas> there is no mention of a F A M on https://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/bans.cgi?query=implozun&kicks=on&oldbans=on&bans=on&oldmutes=on&mutes=on
[18:59] <ompaul> when it has happened leave it others can deal with it
[19:00] <Andeh> You mean like 'I think the exact wording was "[f word(adjective)][person who does not pay attention(noun)][stupid person(noun)]"'
[19:00] <ompaul> Andeh, we live in a world where we communicate some times in places you can see, some times you can't and other times we meet face to face
[19:01] <Andeh> Hooray for technology then.
[19:01] <Andeh> Hmm
[19:01] <Andeh> I am working on a song. If I send you a bad quality .ogg of it to promote the free format and ubuntu's use of it, will it... never mind
[19:02] <ompaul> stuff such as ---  2007-10-12T22:58:41 <Andeh> ompaul: Hmm. I have 4 GB ram. Should I just sell that last gigabyte?   --- is very annoying not clever or smart
[19:02] <Andeh> ...
[19:02] <Andeh> you picked out the only serious thing I ever said on IRC?
[19:02] <Seveas> imagine how annoying the non-serious things are :)
[19:02] <ompaul> well then it just goes to show how you come across
[19:03] <Andeh> I wasn't kidding about that, the last gig is wasted
[19:03] <Andeh> brb
[19:03] <ompaul> cos that does not read serious
[19:03] <ompaul> it reads like troll
[19:03] <PriceChild> Seveas, ubotu doesn't report here on alias's of !ops? like !op
[19:03] <Seveas> it should
[19:04] <Seveas> it doesn't
[19:06] <mc44> Seveas: you're leaving us for the *dutch*!
[19:06]  * mc44 cries
[19:06]  * ompaul looks at mc44
[19:07] <ompaul> food on the way got to go
[19:07] <Seveas> ompaul, see the link I just posted :)
[19:08] <Andeh> Oh, my use of capital letters...
[19:09] <Andeh> ...and proper grammar... do they make people think I am a troll pretending not to be a troll?
[19:10] <Andeh> Because I don't see how else that line looks like a troll
[19:10] <Andeh> And if I remember it was in context, I was asking about linux handling my 4x1GB ram to the full extent
[19:11] <Andeh> so not just 2.8 GB like it does at the moment
[19:11] <Andeh> They later told me the only things that dont work with ubuntu x64 out of the box are some commercial plugins like flash and java
[19:12] <Andeh> mm
[19:12] <Andeh> err...
[19:13] <nalioth> Andeh: can we help you?
[19:13] <Andeh> yeah
[19:13] <Andeh> ompaul: I kindly request you to un-mute me now.
[19:14] <jussi01> nalioth: ompaul has run off for food.
[19:14] <nalioth> Andeh: please be patient or be elsewhere
[19:14] <Andeh> nalioth: ...
[19:15] <Andeh> It's sort of a conversation that has been going on. I am not patiently waiting for ompaul to decide to unban me for no reason, I am trying to convince him I will try not to make my 100% serious posts less likely to look like trolls.
[19:16] <PriceChild> Something is wrong...
[19:16] <Seveas> ...in the kingdom of...
[19:18] <Pici> ...our discontent...
[19:19] <Seveas>  _____
[19:19] <Seveas> < moo >
[19:19] <Seveas>  -----
[19:19] <Seveas>         \   ^__^
[19:19] <Seveas>          \  (oo)\_______
[19:19] <Seveas>             (__)\       )\/\
[19:19] <Seveas>                 ||----w |
[19:19] <Seveas>                 ||     ||
[19:20]  * mc44 goes to find the shakespeare play with "moo" in it
[19:21] <gnomefreak> hes not banned in here
[19:21] <Pici> Just muted.
[19:21] <gnomefreak> oh well later guys ;)
[19:21] <Pici> cya
[19:22] <mc44> bah, there's lots of "moon" but no "moo" :(
[19:22] <Seveas> gweep, how can we help you?
[19:22] <gweep> hi
[19:23] <gweep> the ubuntu-austria team need a entry into this page:
[19:23] <gweep> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[19:23] <Andeh> Why thank you.
[19:23] <gweep> wie have an irc channel #ubuntu-at
[19:23] <Seveas> gweep, it's a wiki, you can edit it :)
[19:23] <Andeh> Heh.
[19:23] <gweep> oh ... ok :)
[19:23] <PriceChild> Seveas, that's help. we can't edit that can we?
[19:23] <Seveas> we can
[19:24] <Seveas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat?action=edit
[19:25] <Andeh> meh
[19:25] <Andeh> good night
[19:26] <PriceChild> Seveas, ahhh cool
[19:39] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots
[19:40] <Seveas> Mez, wuss :p
[19:40] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots
[19:41] <PriceChild> Seveas, woo :)
[19:41] <PriceChild> oh wait...
[19:41] <PriceChild> that was ops not op
[19:42] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots
[19:42] <PriceChild> sorted :D
[19:43] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots (hey PriceChild: )
[19:43] <PriceChild> haha that's even cooler :)
[19:43] <Seveas> 2 things fixed
[19:43] <PriceChild> *highfives Seveas*
[19:43] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots ()
[19:43] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots (afasfdasdf)
[19:44]  * nalioth removes the bots safeguards in #ubuntu-bots
[19:44] <Seveas> ok, enough annoyance
[19:44] <Daviey> !botabuse
[19:44] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[19:44] <Daviey> :)
[19:45] <mc44> Seveas: wait, you had 400 people at your release party ^^
[19:45] <mc44> 400, like, ubuntu people
[19:45]  * nalioth introduces Cyberdyne T101 subroutines into the bots in #ubuntu-bots
[19:46] <Daviey> mc44: yeah.. but we had sabdfl >;)
[19:46] <gweep> Seveas ... i have a another question. how we can enter the austrian ubuntu forum on this page?
[19:46] <gweep> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/webforums
[19:46] <mc44> Daviey: 8 people round a snooker table isn't quite the same :P
[19:47] <gweep> there no edit on the page
[19:47] <Daviey> mc44: incidently we didn't even play snooker..
[19:47] <Seveas> gweep, contact<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:47] <gweep> thank you for help ... nice support :)
[19:51] <gweep> and for this edit: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/local - the same? contact to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:53] <gweep> ok ... we have it ! THX Seveas!!!
[19:54] <tonyyarusso> mc44: My team had 28 - it was cool.
[19:54] <tonyyarusso> (We're brand new)
[20:21] <nalioth> is there a file size limit per mailbox on thunderbird?
[20:21] <nalioth> my tbird has just stopped functioning
[20:22] <tonyyarusso> I doubt it, or I would have it it.
[20:25] <JanC> nalioth: yes
[20:26] <nalioth> JanC: care to share?
[20:27] <JanC> well, I know that at least in the past there was a limit of about 2 GiB
[20:28] <ompaul> file size issues more so hmmmm
[20:29] <nalioth> ah
[20:29]  * nalioth is nowhere near that size for his .mbox files
[20:29] <nalioth> i suspect somone sent a GPG key in a digest that has caused tbird to choke
[20:33] <nalioth> i logged into gmail and moved the digests and don't seem to be having the problem any more
[20:34] <ompaul> one thing which can break tb is borken messages
[20:51] <mneptok> They give us hope and teach us well. With magic moons that cast a spell, and hypnotise, and draw us in. I believe I'm believing.
[20:54] <ompaul> mneptok,  and so it was that the things that happened that night but few speak of them as they were mostly very boring.
[20:54] <ompaul> :)
[21:09] <nalioth> something very weird is going on.  evolution will not start at all.
[21:10] <mneptok> DOOMED TO BE AN AMOEBA!
[21:10] <LjL> nalioth: ask the guy in #kubuntu whose filesystem suddenly turned read only... might do some knowledge exchanging :)
[21:11]  * Pici divides
[21:12] <nalioth> LjL: i'm not read-only.  but it _is_ funny that two email clients would start fitzing out simultaneously
[21:12] <LjL> full HD then? :)
[21:13] <nalioth> got 10gb to go
[21:13] <nalioth> as usual, my problems are my own
[21:24] <nalioth> wow.  i just installed kmail (never used it before at all) and it won't start.
[21:25] <nalioth> i am suspecting spamassasin
[21:26] <LjL> nalioth: though kmail doesn't use spamassassin by default unless you run the spam wizard i think...
[21:26] <ubotu> erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu (federico advising to run a DoS attack)
[21:30] <tonyyarusso> wow, I managed to join just in time to be greeted by "DOOMED TO BE AN AMOEBA!" ?
[21:32]  * mneptok beams brightly
[21:35]  * nalioth notes that mneptoks UV output has killed himself-the-amoeba
[22:21] <Seveas> DOOMED TO BE A MNEPTOK
[22:23]  * tonyyarusso is getting grief from Thunderbird
[22:23] <Seeker`> tonyyarusso: is it bullying you?
[22:24] <tonyyarusso> Seeker`: It's marking my messages as read before I read them.
[22:24] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: seems to be going around . . .
[22:24] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: :(
[22:24]  * tonyyarusso prods mozilla to put as much freakin' effort into all their products
[22:24] <JanC> tonyyarusso: they probably ported that feature from MS Outlook?  :P
[22:25] <tonyyarusso> JanC: Oooh, does it come with worms now too?
[22:25] <JanC> well, it always marks at least one unread mail as read every time you open it  :)
[22:26]  * tonyyarusso bops tritium over the head for making him try things, and thus, break things
[22:26] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: please dont im getting tired of fixing tbird atm
[22:27] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Sowwies...
[22:27] <gnomefreak> i would like to get seamonkey and sunbird done first ;)
[22:27] <gnomefreak> and yes we are renaming iceape to seamonkey for version 2.0
[22:27] <gnomefreak> and i love it ;)
[22:33]  * TheSheep wonders what happened to iceweasel
[22:36] <gnomefreak> TheSheep: it stayed in debian
[22:37] <gnomefreak> iceweasel==firefox
[22:37] <TheSheep> gnomefreak: didn't they fork?
[22:37] <gnomefreak> no just the branding
[22:38] <gnomefreak> name and icons, debian didnt agree to the terms
[22:39] <gnomefreak> only reason why i named seamonkey as iceape is i was merging from debian but since we no longer do that its being named and branded seamonkey
[22:48]  * mneptok stifles a *waaaay* too mature comment
[22:50] <gnomefreak> bot borked?
[22:51] <Pici> !test
[22:51] <ubotu> Failed.
[22:51] <Seeker`> gnomefreak: when isn't it?
[22:51] <gnomefreak> debian 448117
[22:51] <gnomefreak> debian bug 448117
[22:51] <gnomefreak> neither work i get pmed
[22:52] <gnomefreak> 18:51 <ubotu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Debian: timed out
[22:52] <Pici> yarr
[22:52] <Pici> Were  you looking for a debian bug?
[22:52] <gnomefreak> either bot is out of sync or debian bug tracker is borked
[22:52] <gnomefreak> Pici: yes
[23:17] <nalioth> walter_eco: would the -ak be Alaska or something else?
[23:17] <walter_eco> no, its for alaska i think
[23:17] <walter_eco> its supposed to be for alaska i think
[23:17] <nalioth> walter_eco: please use #ubuntu-us-ak with our compliments
[23:18] <walter_eco> im pretty sure the ubuntu alaska loco team channel is supposed to be #ubuntu-ak
[23:18] <walter_eco> that could be why i was having a problem
[23:22] <rob> it could be forwarded I guess
[23:23] <nalioth> rob: we're all switching over to the new style of naming   :P
[23:24] <gnomefreak> thought ak was arkansaw
[23:24] <gnomefreak> (sp)
[23:24] <mneptok> AK = Alaska
[23:25] <mneptok> AR = Arkansas
[23:25] <gnomefreak> ah
[23:25] <nalioth> gnomefreak: AL = Alabama
[23:25] <gnomefreak> ;)
[23:25] <gnomefreak> nc = north colorado? j/k
[23:25] <rob> new style?
[23:25] <rob> how ugly :)
[23:26] <nalioth> rob: #ubuntu-texas is now #ubuntu-us-tx
[23:26] <nalioth> and so forth
[23:26] <rob> nalioth, eww
[23:26] <nalioth> not my idea, but it seems logical
[23:26] <nalioth> keeps the Tunisians from warring with the Tennesseans
[23:27] <elkbuntu> and georgia vs georgia
[23:28] <rob> warring is what Americans do best, isn't it? :P
[23:28] <mc44> I'd back georgia in that fight
[23:28] <nalioth> rob: not lately
[23:28] <elkbuntu> mc44, heh
[23:29] <rob> I guess that makes sense for the US at least, but I couldn't imagine it would apply so well to every loco channel
[23:29] <elkbuntu> rob, well the US is the only country with a zillion locos instead of one or two
[23:29] <rob> yeah
[23:29] <rob> but, why not use the full names instead?
[23:30] <rob> #ubuntu-alaska for example
[23:30] <nalioth> not our decision, rob   (looks upward)
[23:30] <nalioth> came from the CC
[23:30] <elkbuntu> rob, they often have both, but newbies keep trying to join the #ubuntu-<state abbreviation>
[23:31] <rob> I'm guessing I missed the above discussion as I only just reconnected after the thunderstorm here last night, but the decision seems a little misguided to me. How come the CC are deciding that anyway, shouldn't the IRC council just have taken care of a decision like that?
[23:33] <elkbuntu> because the irc council is only new, the people took it to the wrong place, and the cc obviously were not going to palm it
[23:33] <rob> elkbuntu, of cause they do, because that makes sense. I bet the next choice would be #ubuntu-fullname, -us-ak for example is ugly and not that logical
[23:34] <rob> maybe they should have handballed it
[23:35] <rob> no matter, it doesn't really affect me so I'm not too worried, but it sure is ugly ;)
[23:37] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (daniele_)
[23:37] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (Mandrivaboy2008 too)
[23:44]  * no0tic is hoping his wireless will work
[23:46] <elkbuntu> nalioth, when did the cc make this vote anyway?
[23:47] <nalioth> elkbuntu: nfc.  the directive came via the dutchman
[23:47] <elkbuntu> dutchman needs to confirm then
[23:48] <nalioth> he's confirmed many times by telling wondering folks to use the channel naming system
[23:48] <nalioth> and asking me to change some channel names
[23:55] <jrib> nalioth: the wiki still recommends ubuntu-fullstatename
[23:55] <nalioth> then i guess i'll have to get it changed, eh?
[23:55] <jrib> agh, why?
[23:56] <nalioth> to make sure we're all on the same sheet of music, of course
[23:56] <jrib> but why one over the other?  When ubuntu-massachusetts was set up, it was clear from the wiki and the ubuntu-us channel that it should be fullname
[23:57] <nalioth> jrib: i have no idea.


[14:01] <kalikiana> o/
[14:02]  * kalikiana preparing the hangout
[14:04] <mhall119> kalikiana: you're pretty early
[14:04] <kalikiana> am I?
[14:04] <kalikiana> I thought I was late
[14:04] <kalikiana> oh, haha, I guess it's in 1h
[14:05] <kalikiana> damn timezones
[14:05] <kalikiana> well, at least now I'm prepared :-]
[14:10] <clobrano> It started
[14:49] <kalikiana> for those who'd like to join: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcb-0t97d7TlgW2WNWF8jO5A8Wm-Tt7YwOE_GDhBDsStZC22A?hl=en-GB&authuser=0
[14:51] <kalikiana> popey: I can't seem to edit the session
[14:51] <popey> oh?
[14:51] <popey> what do you need me to do?
[14:52] <popey> added hangout url, what's the broadcast url?
[14:52] <kalikiana> this should be broadcast? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn1kktSDPvA
[14:54] <popey> kalikiana, yup, done
[14:54] <kalikiana> thanks!
[14:55] <popey> np
[15:01] <popey> works kalikiana
[15:04] <omgCATS> this is only QML right? i'm more interested in SDL
[15:05] <ksantacr> where i can find the slides
[15:10] <core_apps_police> The slide will be available to download?
[15:36] <santi_> QUESTION: Will this work across multiple platforms?
[15:37] <core_apps_police> QUESTION: The slide you used will be available to download?
[15:38] <kalikiana> popey: maybe you can help me find out how to upload the slides best
[15:39] <daker> QUESTION: what's max number of actions we can put on both sides ?
[15:39] <santi_> thank you!
[15:41] <gard> QUESTION: In the qt designer the ubuntu components are always marked red as in an error? any fix for that?
[15:42] <daker> QUESTION: what's the stats of RTL support in the SDK rightnow ?
[15:43] <daker> state*
[15:43] <kenvandine> maybe the uitk doesn't provide the plugin types file?
[15:43] <popey> kalikiana, can you share them?
[15:43] <popey> and then link in the etherpad?
[15:43] <zsombi> kenvandine: it does
[15:44] <zsombi> kenvandine: the types fiule must be loaded from teh right chroot, and that may not always work :(
[15:44] <kenvandine> it doesn't work even with the desktop kit though
[15:44] <zsombi> daker: UITK components do support RTL, all of them
[15:45] <zsombi> kenvandine: if you have the UITK installed on your desktop, it does autocomplete
[15:46] <zsombi> kenvandine: though sometimes it looses them all... QtC has hickups sometimes :)
[15:47] <zsombi> kalikiana: I have a bug + MR for that actually...
[15:48] <daker> zsombi: kalikiana thanks!
[15:49] <kalikiana> popey: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AdMcE4NI9svchurNgPk2UjBC5mf9VAgc8RoEVGc7cb4/edit
[15:51] <zsombi> daker: I saw you asked about the amount of ListItem leading/trailing actions
[15:51] <zsombi> daker: the API does not restrict the count, design recomments 1 in leading and max 3 in trailing
[15:51] <daker> zsombi: yeah, like if i define 3 on both side do i get 6 width right click ?
[15:52] <daker> 6 with*
[15:52] <zsombi> daker: yes
[15:55] <popey> nice one kalikiana
[15:58] <ahayzen> popey, vthompson, are we in here now ? :-)
[15:59] <vthompson> ahayzen: present! :)
[15:59] <ahayzen> \o/
[16:01] <popey> hmm
[16:01] <popey> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYf0bmOAQdxB9fBeG_d0ck8x1-DSfL1XlZ88Gfz7y8BXLJUg3w
[16:01] <ahayzen> \o/
[16:01] <popey> that should work for the music app session to join
[16:02] <vthompson> All who join will accept work items! :)
[16:56] <ahayzen> popey, vthompson, 'lunch' time!
[16:56] <vthompson> ahayzen: It is actually my lunch time :)
[16:56] <ahayzen> hah
[16:57] <vthompson> I would have assume this was your lunch time as well, consider how late you eat dinner :)
[16:57] <vthompson> *assumed *considering
[16:57]  * vthompson needs food
[16:58] <ahayzen> vthompson, haha too true
[16:59] <popey> :)
[17:03] <thecoder15> hello everyonre
[17:03] <thecoder15> one
[17:11] <popey> hello
[18:00]  * popey pokes ahayzen vthompson and James_Mulholland with https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYftKecTp-aWiVVWtYn4sHNcx-M503ukZR5t-dXWJQMsMr3ExA?hl=en&authuser=0
[18:00] <ahayzen> James_Mulholland, popey, vthompson, is it that time again?
[18:00] <popey> hah! beat ya
[18:00] <ahayzen> eh
[18:00] <James_Mulholland> o/
[18:02] <ahayzen> popey, http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-weather-app-planning
[18:02] <vthompson> popey: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-weather-app-planning
[18:31] <ahayzen> popey, vthompson is one of them https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1qJ4wzwHsHGNb7GDVjrarMUj4lyro-dLR2_4Xu1b5vQU/edit#slide=id.g37dfaf379_113
[18:31] <ahayzen> popey, vthompson, slide23 onwards in that one
[18:48] <thecoder15> hello
[18:50] <davidcalle> Invite link for anyone willing to join the hangout https://hangouts.google.com/call/jp2pklq57st7dftxcjxem45ceea
[18:51] <thecoder15> no it just started i think
[19:00] <vthompson> \o/ Later guys!
[19:00] <ahayzen> vthompson, \o/ later o/
[19:00] <davidcalle> vthompson, ahayzen, has your session finished?
[19:01] <ahayzen> davidcalle, yup :-) bang on 1900 sorry
[19:01] <davidcalle> ahayzen, no worries :)
[19:02] <davidcalle> The doc healthcheck will start in a short moment
[19:04] <davidcalle> Does anyone want to join the session?
[19:04] <davidcalle> https://hangouts.google.com/call/jp2pklq57st7dftxcjxem45ceea
[19:07] <davidcalle> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/
[19:09] <davidcalle> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-developer-documentation-healthcheck
[19:14]  * balloons listens in
[19:15] <dpm> http://v-play.net/
[19:31] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Could you have community tutorials like Digital Ocean has? Ex: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials
[19:31] <CheeseBurg> That way its community made but intergrated to the developer site
[19:36] <balloons> yes, digital ocean is community generated
[19:37] <balloons> not all of them are great :-)
[19:43] <ahayzen> QUESTION: If i goto https://developer.ubuntu.com .. it takes me 4-5 clicks to get to http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/current/ ... can that be reduced?
[19:43] <ahayzen> Apps->QML->API->Stable/Developer
[19:44] <ahayzen> people always complain about content-hub lacking documentation
[19:44] <ahayzen> or examples
[19:47] <ahayzen> yeah the search defo needs improving i usually end up using http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/ if i can't find anything :-/
[19:48] <ahayzen> dpm, davidcalle, you using elasticsearch across the django models?
[19:50]  * ahayzen tries to think what else he finds annoying
[19:52] <ahayzen> I think really, as you have already said, its about tutorials and examples (especially with alot of them currently being hidden/difficult to find)
[19:55] <namenick> hi
[19:55] <namenick> hoi
[19:55] <namenick> how do you know
[19:57] <balloons> hello
[19:57] <balloons> give all the items to popey :-)
[19:57] <ahayzen> #blamepopey
[19:57] <davidcalle> Done :)
[20:01] <ahayzen> thanks guys dpm davidcalle popey :-)
[20:01] <popey> that was fun
[20:02] <dpm> thanks ahayzen :)
[20:02] <dpm> and we're off for the day, good opening for UOS!
[20:03] <davidcalle> thanks ahayzen!
[20:04] <patriot> hey


[16:13] <gabriel__> cursor theme won't change even after restart. ubuntu 10.04
[22:12] <iadrian> Can anyone give me a lesson why my internet connection is way slower than in windows :)
[22:12] <iadrian> ?
[22:13] <iadrian> Did anyone had this problem ?


[00:48] <keithzg> ...or not; it won't even boot the installer then. Hrmm.
[00:59] <hallyn> pmatulis: hey - that box you had htat wouldn't boot after launching a lxd container, was it launched from a cloud image by chance?
[01:20] <neon_v0id> Hey, everyone. I have a small issue with my Ubuntu server. I recently uninstalled the Mumble server I was running on it, and now I keep getting mail about the "murmurd" start-stop-daemon. That /usr/sbin/murmurd can't start because there's no such file or directory. How can I get my server to stop trying to run murmurd at startup?
[01:28] <tarpman> neon_v0id: 1) purge the package (vs just removing it) - the initscript is a conffile, therefore not removed unless you purge. 2) file a bug - the initscript should not try to start a daemon that isn't installed
[01:35] <neon_v0id> tarpman, thanks. I've run the purge and hopefully I wont get any more mail messages about mumble/murmurd :)
[03:32] <pmatulis> hallyn: yes, that's what i said
[03:50] <hallyn> pmatulis: can you check whether removing /etc/network/interfaces.d/* and putting the eth0 definition in /etc/network/interfaces fixes it for you?
[03:51] <hallyn> it fixed it for me at any rate
[04:12] <pmatulis> hallyn: i copied contents of .d/eth0 into interfaces file and moved eth0 out of the way. rebooted fine. did 'lxc launch ubuntu:' and rebooted. same problem as before
[04:13] <pmatulis> hallyn: fwiw, it hangs here a while: https://private-fileshare.canonical.com/~pmatulis/sstack_reboot_pmatulis-xenial-1.png
[04:14] <pmatulis> hallyn: there appears to be some kernel module problems, dunno
[04:21] <hallyn> pmatulis: that sounds like a different bug, then, which i've not reproduced.  drat
[08:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:32] <SaltySolomon> hi
[08:32] <SaltySolomon> I need a tiny bit help with setting up open stack
[10:50] <amigoo89> hey guys, I am currently running an ubuntu VPS machine. For a few days/weeks already, when I want to access my server either via HTTP or SSH, it starts to load for the FIRST TIME very slow, like if it is sleeping/standby. As soon as the machne woke up, it works properly and fast. what could be the reason for it?
[11:01] <vagarwal_> I see that oddjob-mkhomedir is available in xenial but not in trusty. Is there an alternative or a backport available for oddjob-mkhomedir in trusty?
[11:19] <saftblandarn> Hello!
[11:20] <saftblandarn> I'm in the process of installing a lamp-server on ubuntu, could anyone recommend a good guide for 14.04?
[11:20] <ogra_> sudo tasksel .... pick "LAMP server" ?
[11:36] <saftblandarn> ogra_, thanks :) I'm a total newbie
[12:32] <saftblandarn> How do I go up in the CLI?
[12:34] <hateball> saftblandarn: care to elaborate? "go up" ?
[12:34] <hateball> shift+page up/down, probably
[12:35] <saftblandarn> That solved it. Thanks!
[12:58] <caribou> jgrimm: FYI, vsftpd is now uploaded & into the archive
[13:36] <saftblandarn> Okay, so now I set up all the basics I need for creating my web front end and such. Before I do so I would like to backup everything. What is the ideal way to do this?
[13:43] <jamespage> coreycb, hey paramiko 1.16 is not backporting for the UCA - needs some extra deps
[13:43] <jamespage> can you take a look?
[13:43] <coreycb> jamespage, on it
[13:44] <jamespage> coreycb, oh for next cycle we should consider how the archive re-org thing can help us remove more delta with debian
[13:44] <jamespage> coreycb, bd's that don't translate into runtime depends can still be in universe...
[13:45] <coreycb> jamespage, I need to catch up on the archive re-org
[13:45] <coreycb> jamespage, that is interesting
[13:45] <jamespage> coreycb, it could really help us
[13:45] <coreycb> jamespage, yeah, so we could potentially drop a lot of BDs from main?
[13:46] <jamespage> coreycb, that will have happened anyway
[13:46] <jamespage> no action required
[13:46] <coreycb> nice
[13:46] <jamespage> coreycb, we can re-add a load that we manage via delta
[13:47] <coreycb> jamespage, it seems like something we can naturally assess perhaps as we work through merges next cycle
[13:48] <jamespage> coreycb, yah
[13:48] <jamespage> +1
[13:48] <EmilienM> jamespage, coreycb: looking at http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/mitaka_versions.html
[13:48] <EmilienM> it looks like we can use update repo?
[13:48] <jamespage> EmilienM, yeah working that through atm
[13:49] <EmilienM> excellent
[13:49] <jgrimm> caribou, thanks!!
[13:49] <jamespage> EmilienM, we have an update to paramiko in the pipe which I'd like to get tested in staging before we promote to -proposed and -updates
[13:50] <jamespage> EmilienM, at which point we will have validates staging as much as we can and you'll get the whole lot :-)
[13:50] <aotea> :q
[13:56] <EmilienM> jamespage: testing our CI against updates now
[14:58] <coreycb> jamespage, paramiko backport fix is in the works, I had to update python-gssapi in xenial to drop virtualenv and python-tox from BDs...
[15:03] <macskay> hi guys, i have a ubuntu 14.04 lts server and it takes a long time to respond to commands, such as up to 20 seconds when using "ls -al" for a small directory.
[15:03] <macskay> Using "ls" only is done immediately. I tried rebooting but then my server didnt come back.
[15:03] <macskay> It seemed an error in mounting the partition but checking the drive's smart values didnt show any faults.
[15:03] <macskay>  I rebooted in "recovery mode" and all commands are executed right away (even "ls -al")
[15:03] <macskay> when mounting the partition and using "chroot /mnt" the repsonse time goes back up again. What could that be?
[15:03] <macskay> I tried "top" and "dmesg" but noghint shows up in there
[15:04] <ppetraki> macskay, what does strace say?
[15:04] <macskay> one sec ill jhave a look
[15:04] <rbasak> macskay: if you've rebooted dmesg is lost. Check /var/log/kern.log.
[15:05] <ppetraki> macskay,  strace -t -f -s 4096 {CMD} &> logfile
[15:06] <ppetraki> should tell you were it's spending its time and be pretty verbose about it
[15:08] <macskay> ppetraki: Here's the logfile: https://www.refheap.com/117490, rbasak /var/log/kern.log was last changed 3 days ago
[15:09] <rbasak> I don't know but it sounds like some kind of local corruption or hardware fault to me.
[15:09] <rbasak> Have you forced an fsck?
[15:10] <macskay> hm not that i know of no, should I do one?
[15:10] <rbasak> I would.
[15:10] <macskay> the strange thing is, why would it be ok in the recovery mode?
[15:11] <rbasak> A reboot might have cleared an underlying problem.
[15:11] <rbasak> Especially for a hardware fault.
[15:13] <ppetraki> macskay, a lot of ldap timeouts
[15:13] <macskay> yeah
[15:13] <macskay> i installed ldap yesterday, but removed it again
[15:13] <macskay> it kept timing out
[15:13] <macskay> even though i deinstalled it
[15:14] <ppetraki> I don't know how you uninstalled it, but it still looks like it's part of the auth stack
[15:15] <ppetraki> a fsck is a good idea, start from a sane place
[15:15] <macskay> sudo apt-get remove --purge slapd
[15:21] <ppetraki> macskay, it looks like you're going to have to manually remove ldap from the auth stack. theres a lot of "im trying to connect to localhost over socket and nobody is there to receive"
[15:22] <ppetraki> macskay, port 389 is ldap
[15:22] <macskay> that might actually be the problem, because it started lagging after I "removed" ldap
[15:22] <ppetraki> macskay, so opinion is find a decent howto on ldap and reverse the steps
[15:23]  * ppetraki is not fluent in auth anymore
[15:23] <macskay> hm yes that seems about right
[15:23] <ppetraki> hope that helps
[15:23] <macskay> i'll try that
[15:23] <macskay> and keep you posted if it helped or not
[15:23] <macskay> thanks !
[15:25] <ppetraki> yw
[15:25] <EmilienM> jamespage: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305286/ -- the bump to updates repo works fine for us.
[15:33] <jamespage> EmilienM, awesome
[15:33] <EmilienM> jamespage: question: when do you plan to provide a repo for newton? :-)
[15:40] <jamespage> after austin
[15:40] <jamespage> EmilienM, ^^
[15:41] <EmilienM> jamespage: excellent
[15:47] <frickler> does anyone else see a double-! and a left-triangle on their boot splash screen to the right of the cycling dots?
[16:17] <pmatulis> hey hallyn, i was surprised to discover i could log in after all. but i checked a long long time after rebooting. not sure what's going on
[17:02] <hallyn> odd
[17:20] <DammitJim> is there a fix for the samba - badlock bug? I am on 14.04
[17:21] <DammitJim> I have seen that it's been worked on in the security ppa?
[17:21] <sdeziel> DammitJim: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2016-April/007266.html
[17:22] <DammitJim> ok, so we are looking at about a week
[17:22] <DammitJim> thanks!
[17:23] <sdeziel> DammitJim: if you could test the -proposed packages that would be ideal
[17:23] <DammitJim> sdeziel, when something like this comes up, what page should I be looking at?
[17:23] <DammitJim> sdeziel, I'm going to try to because I know it might require me to make other changes
[17:23] <randymarsh9> hello
[17:24] <randymarsh9> what's a good command line browser?
[17:25] <DammitJim> lynx
[17:25] <sdeziel> DammitJim: those versions upgrade are very infrequent. I don't know if there is a official communication channel for those but the -server mailing list might be a good place to look at
[17:26] <DammitJim> ah! server mailing list
[17:39] <sarnold> randymarsh9: I prefer w3m, I think it does a better job with tables. none are entirely pleasing.
[17:40] <randymarsh9> DammitJim: seems to be the most popular choice
[17:40] <randymarsh9> sarnold: will give that a try, thanks
[17:40] <DammitJim> si
[17:40] <sarnold> DammitJim: we also usually call for testers in the #ubuntu-hardened channel
[17:44] <randymarsh9> sarnold: dang i can even scroll with my mousoe
[17:44] <randymarsh9> mouse*
[17:44] <randymarsh9> good stuff
[17:45] <sarnold> oh yeah, and I have a vague memory of that getting annoying when you just want to select/paste like a normal application..
[17:46] <sarnold> randymarsh9: w3m-img can even load images into xterms and other similarly-featured terminals. scary.
[17:53] <randymarsh9> sarnold: i did "apt-get install w3m-img", it downloaded and installed but when i type w3m-img into my terminal and hit return it says "command not found"
[17:53] <randymarsh9> what am i doing wrong?
[17:54] <nacc> randymarsh9: doesn't htat just install the extension? the command is still w3m
[17:54] <nacc> afaict
[17:57] <randymarsh9> nacc: it very well may. i have no idea how to use it though
[17:57] <randymarsh9> do i need to use a different ssh client for images to load?
[17:57] <randymarsh9> or can i still use putty
[17:58] <sarnold> the -mouse- works over an ssh via putty??
[18:03] <RoyK> iirc no
[18:03] <RoyK> but I think it might work with kitty
[18:04] <RoyK> and then there's this new ubuntu-on-windows thing that might be worth trying
[18:06] <RoyK> randymarsh9: the command is w3m, not w3m-img
[18:07] <RoyK> or perhaps w3mimgdisplay
[18:07] <randymarsh9> sarnold: in w3m it does. i can click links and even scroll using the mouse wheel
[18:07] <randymarsh9> RoyK: on 0.62 it is working
[18:07] <RoyK> randymarsh9: then possibly xming is doing that
[18:07] <sarnold> randymarsh9: crazy. I didn't really expect that to work via putty. :)
[18:08] <randymarsh9> using screen
[18:08] <randymarsh9> dont know if that has anything to do with it
[18:08] <sarnold> haha, that is also surprising :)
[18:11] <randymarsh9> sarnold: actually no i take that back, if you are using screen it won't scroll but if you just launch w3m from terminal in putty then it does
[18:12] <randymarsh9> if you have a screen session open then it just scrolls up your terminal
[18:14] <randymarsh9> RoyK: i tried w3m-img thinking that will load the images
[18:14] <randymarsh9> it isn't working though. is it because of the client i am using?
[18:14] <RoyK> afaics, it's not part of that package
[18:14] <RoyK> try dpkg -L w3m-img
[18:15] <sarnold> randymarsh9: I really don't think images are going to load via putty. it uses xterm extensions to draw them.. I'm stunned the mouse even works.
[18:15] <RoyK> sarnold: with xming, it should work well
[18:15] <sarnold> RoyK: heh is that still a thing? :)
[18:16] <RoyK> sarnold: indeed :)
[18:16] <sarnold> RoyK: that's right next to tri-teal cde in my mental hash buckets..
[18:16] <RoyK> hehe
[18:16] <RoyK> only good way of using x with windows these days, afaik
[18:17] <RoyK>  Last Update: 2015-05-24
[18:17] <RoyK> no, not really, april 1
[18:17] <RoyK> 2016
[18:18] <randymarsh9> sarnold: xterm is an ssh client for unix systems?
[18:19] <RoyK> no...
[18:19] <RoyK> it's a terminal
[18:19] <sarnold> randymarsh9: no. xterm is a terminal emulator.
[18:19] <sarnold> randymarsh9: windows doesn't really have an equivalent, or at least not explicitly..
[18:20] <randymarsh9> sarnold: command prompt?
[18:20] <randymarsh9> that would be my guess
[18:20] <RoyK> terminals are abstracted in the unix world, and has a truckload of functionality hardcoded into cmd and the likes in windows
[18:20] <sarnold> randymarsh9: except cmd.exe is .. well, like xterm glued together with bash. sortof.
[18:21] <randymarsh9> cool
[18:21] <RoyK> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/226280-first-look-hands-on-with-ubuntu-on-windows-10
[18:21] <randymarsh9> don't all terminals have bash/some userspace glued with it anyway?
[18:22] <RoyK> no, bash is another executable
[18:22] <RoyK> such as dash or zsh or csh or whatever
[18:23] <RoyK> chs is rather old-school :)
[18:23] <sarnold> .. or skip running the shell entirely and just start programs directly, e.g. xterm -e mutt   will start mutt directly inthe terminal without a shell first
[18:23] <patdk-wk> why xterm?
[18:23] <randymarsh9> what good is a terminal with no userspace?
[18:23] <patdk-wk> just have the kernel run mutt instead of init :)
[18:24]  * RoyK slaps patdk-wk with a small herring
[18:24] <patdk-wk> if your running xterm, you long ago had userspace
[18:24] <RoyK> randymarsh9: everything is userspace
[18:24] <randymarsh9> RoyK: i'm confused
[18:24] <patdk-wk> a *shell* != userspace
[18:24] <RoyK> kernelspace is about system calls and so on
[18:25] <RoyK> a shell lives in userspace
[18:25] <sarnold> randymarsh9: each shell brings with it a certain amount of used memory; if you never use it you can save the memory. granted the kernel will swap it out eventually but each one takes one to six megs or so..
[18:25] <patdk-wk> userspace is about privilege separation
[18:26] <randymarsh9> ok i have the wrong definition of userspace
[18:26] <RoyK> x86/x64 have four privilege levels - most OSes uses two
[18:27]  * patdk-wk lives at ring0
[18:27] <sdeziel> how about ring -1?
[18:28] <randymarsh9> what's the point of bringing bash to windows?
[18:28] <RoyK> sdeziel: the über-ring with only gods in it? ;)
[18:28] <randymarsh9> does that let me download and run unix programs?
[18:28] <RoyK> randymarsh9: not back - it never was there in the irst place
[18:28] <sarnold> randymarsh9: so you're not stuck trying to deal with terrible cmd.exe or baffling powershell
[18:28] <ogra_> it comes with apt ;)
[18:28] <randymarsh9> RoyK: i said bringing bash not back
[18:29] <RoyK> doh - I misread
[18:29] <randymarsh9> so i can run w3m on windows if i want to?
[18:29] <RoyK> randymarsh9: the point is that it combines the power of unices with windoze
[18:29] <sarnold> probably
[18:29] <randymarsh9> and lynx and all the other cool programs?
[18:29] <sarnold> granted those may work today via cygwin
[18:29] <sarnold> but the new windows personality modes sounds nicer
[18:29] <RoyK> randymarsh9: works well if you really need windows and can't go with linux as your primary
[18:29] <randymarsh9> so windows is coming up with a bash emulator of sorts?
[18:29] <ogra_> The whole ubuntu archive (theoretically)
[18:30] <randymarsh9> except it is much more official than that?
[18:30] <RoyK> randymarsh9: nah - it's an API that translates linux systemcalls to windows' ones
[18:30] <randymarsh9> is windows going to let ubuntu do the same thing?
[18:30] <ogra_> no, it adds Linux syscall translation to the windows kernel
[18:31] <sarnold> randymarsh9: in some sense, linux did the same thing two decades ago, first with 'dosbox' then with 'wine'
[18:31] <ogra_> then there is an app in the windows store that lets you install a minimal ubuntu system thatships bash and apt
[18:31] <RoyK> sarnold++
[18:32] <randymarsh9> sarnold: dosbox was a unix thing?
[18:32] <ogra_> so you can apt install anything from the archive
[18:32] <ogra_> (not everything might run though )
[18:32] <RoyK> ogra_: and most of it will probably work? ;)
[18:32] <randymarsh9> i thought dosbox was created to run old dos programs on new versions of windows
[18:32] <randymarsh9> since dos was removed after windows 2000
[18:33] <randymarsh9> in xp it was no longer there i think
[18:33] <ogra_> I'd assume most cmdline tools will work eventually... Including lynx and w3m
[18:34] <sarnold> randymarsh9: sure, apt-cache show dosbox   :)
[18:35] <sarnold> hunh, initial release in 2002..
[18:35] <sarnold> ah there we go, dosemu, initial release September 1992; 23 years ago
[18:35] <RoyK> no idea if the initial release was for win or linux, but it seems to run on most things
[18:36] <RoyK> sarnold: ah - probably not someone that wanted dos games to run on winnt/os2 :D
[18:37] <RoyK> that is, winnt came in '93
[18:37] <sarnold> hehe
[18:40] <RoyK> sarnold: I remember someone trying to show us (at the time I was working a day a week for practice during school) the benefits of winnt 3.1 as a fileserver - how brilliant it was - but then, a wee test comparing simple file copying with that and the current netware (3.12 iirc) showed it was slower by far, about half the speed or so
[18:42] <sarnold> RoyK: yeah, I remember those ancient netware systems fondly.. the nt 4.0 server we had reset every thursday and we never figured out why.
[18:43] <RoyK> hehe
[20:17] <arooni> can someone tell me why i must run sudo when doing basic stuff like mkdir rm within a /var/www/adomain.com which it and all files/subdirectorires has ownership:  wp-user:www-data ; and my currently logged in user is part of the www-data group?
[20:18] <keithzg> arooni: What does "ls -l /var/www/adomain.com" say for permissions? Perhaps it's not set to writeable by group, only wp-user.
[20:20] <arooni> keithzg you're right;  is it a security hazard to do a sudo chmod g+w -r /var/www/adomain.com ?
[20:21] <keithzg> arooni: Only in the sense that obviously then you'd better make sure that only users with secure credentials and a good reason to write there are part of that group.
[23:06] <pulsar12> I need help to solve an issue with pppd.
[23:25] <pulsar12> why would pppd process try to resolve name "ppp0" while a client is connecting?
[23:34] <sarnold> pulsar12: hmm, nothing stands out when searching debian code search for ppp0 or gethostbyname pkg:ppp ..
[23:41] <pulsar12> sarnold, thanks for the hint! the search using "gethostbyname pkg:ppp" turned out a result which i havent found before
[23:47] <pulsar12> tomorrow i will investigate more since i don't have access now to the server
[23:56] <randymarsh9> uh oh


[00:30] <semitones> hello :)
[00:31] <semitones> I tried to install firefox to report a bug, but apt is getting stuck at "snapd.mounts.target is a disabled or a static unit, not starting it. /// snapd.snap-repair.service is a disabled or a static unit, not starting it."
[00:32] <semitones> this is on a lubuntu +1
[00:41] <arraybolt3> Neither of those sound like an actual error, what doesn't work?
[00:42] <arraybolt3> semitones ^
[00:42] <semitones> arraybolt3, apt is stuck at 54% for the past 10 minutes
[00:43] <arraybolt3> Just wait for it, if takes a while to download and install the snap.
[00:43] <arraybolt3> It does take way longer than you'd think.
[00:44] <semitones> arraybolt3, it is done downloading, it is stuck in the install part
[00:45] <arraybolt3> I'd give it a bit longer anyway.
[00:45] <arraybolt3> If it really is totally stuck, please file a bug so we can look into it.
[00:46] <semitones> Ok -- I can try to file a bug, but Idk how ubuntu-bug will work since I don't have a webbrowser to complete the report in.
[00:47] <semitones> I'll wait another 15 minutes or so and see if it changes from 54%
[00:58] <semitones> arraybolt3, should i run ubuntu-bug against apt or something else?
[00:59] <semitones> OTOH this might be related to the fact that this installation I'm on technically failed to install; but it still booted up
[00:59] <arraybolt3> I'd file it against snaps.
[00:59] <arraybolt3> *snapd
[00:59] <semitones> ok
[04:25] <webchat27> Hi


[19:27] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:47] <snail> morning
[20:25] <ajmitch> morning
[20:33] <ibeardslee> https://twitter.com/#!/ZaReasonNZ
[20:36] <ajmitch> nice, hopefully they'll have some nz prices up soon :)
[20:38] <ibeardslee> one of the guys here did a bit of hunting and found a review that claimed they were a rebadged 'compal'
[20:39] <ajmitch> yeah I recall hearing that
[20:39] <ajmitch> quite a few smaller laptop manufacturers sell rebadged hardware
[20:39] <ajmitch> since I imagine it'd be quite an expense to set up tooling for all the cases & various specific bits
[20:48] <ibeardslee> yup
[21:05] <hads> morning
[21:05] <hads> Big name people do it too.
[21:06] <hads> According to Wikipedia Compal are the second biggest laptop manufacterer after Quanta.
[21:07] <kcj> Also, morning.
[21:09] <snail> i just ingested http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/handle/10063/2131
[21:38] <ibeardslee> snail: need a stomach pump?
[21:38] <snail> ibeardslee: nah, i just restart the JVM periodically
[21:40] <chilts> morning :)
[21:44] <mwhudson> morning
[22:13] <snail> http://vacancies.vuw.ac.nz/positiondetail.asp?p=6113 come work with me
[22:19] <ibeardslee> using koha?
[22:21] <snail> ibeardslee: it would be interesting to ask that question at the job interview (but probably not)


[20:59] <charlie-tca> dasher appears to have been fixed in Natty. User reports writing three pages without a crash, where it crashes withing paragraphs on maverick
[22:34] <TheMuso> Which is interesting, because there has been only one dasher related upload in natty so far.
[22:34] <TheMuso> And that was to fix an FTBFS.
[22:34] <maco> odd
[22:38] <AlanBell> I think the crashes were timing or race condition issues
[22:44] <charlie-tca> lol
[22:44] <charlie-tca> I just work on bugs
[22:46] <charlie-tca> but I am not going to argue with success, either
[22:47] <JanC> race conditions are tricky...
[23:00] <AlanBell> hmm, my unity is broken in natty because of accessibility I think :(
[23:03] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/571958/
[23:24] <AlanBell> 23:16 < gord> the problem is that gnome switchd to gsettings and they didn't update the accessibility stuff to gsettings, they  just left it using gconf. which means the schema doesn't exist in gsettings. its a pain, don't know what the fix is  right now
[23:30] <charlie-tca> file a bug on it?
[23:30] <charlie-tca> it will go critical until they find a fix


[13:43] <ogra_> it seems that i'm always getting a duplicated mouse button event on my phone when receiving a touch event ...
[13:44] <ogra_> i.e. opening http://jsfiddle.net/kelunik/pkjze6e6/42/ and doing a long tap on the red square generates two "long press" alerts on my MX4 while it should only be one ... dropping the "node.addEventListener("mousedown", start);" line makes it disappear
[13:45] <ogra_> do we not disable mouse events on the phones until a mouse is attached ?
[14:32] <anpok_> but thats not limited to mx4, is it?
[14:42] <anpok_> ogra_: i thought that mouse and touch input is separate..
[15:07] <ogra_> i havent tried it on aany other phone yet
[15:08] <ogra_> if i try the same on a PC i indeed only get the mouse event though ...


 k. thx!
[08:08] <maria24> Hii
[08:09] <guiverc> maria24, if you have a support question please just ask it.  People respond as they're able to, and be patient (they'll respond when they can)
[08:11] <maria24> i use this command line to upgrade lubuntu 20.04 sudo do-release-upgrade
[08:11] <maria24> but it show There is no development version of an LTS available
[08:12] <guiverc> The upgrades from 20.04 to 22.04 don't open until after 22.04.1 has been released; https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/04/21/ubuntu-22-04-lts-jammy-jellyfish-released/ states "Users of Ubuntu 21.10 will soon be offered an automatic upgrade to 22.04. Users of 20.04 LTS will be offered the automatic upgrade when 22.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for the 4th of August."
[08:13] <guiverc> (it's assumed LTS users want stability; thus the delay ensures the jammy system is fully stable with fixes made where required)
[08:16] <maria24> Thank you guiverc. Now i'm clear
[08:17] <guiverc> maria24, this may also be helpful; https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-22-04-lts-jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/3179
[08:17] <guiverc> it's specific to Lubuntu.. but the upgrade process is the same for all flavors, and controlld by Ubuntu Release Team; why I used the generic Ubuntu.Fridge article first
[08:20] <maria24> ok thanks again.
[08:20] <guiverc> you're most welcome maria24
[14:52] <sem> Where is the default keyring configured in 20.04? I have some application that keeps trying to unlock it
[14:54] <sem> which seahorse shows that seahorse is not installed.
[15:01] <sem> Here is a picture of the unlock message
[15:01] <sem> https://ibb.co/Pj031Xg
[15:25] <sem> It's definitely Firefox interacting with the keyring. I got this after renaming the .local/share/keyrings folder
[15:28] <sem> https://ibb.co/pvPkqCK
[15:47] <sem>  /Query sem
[15:47] <sem> Lol