[02:28] <eggonlea_> well, I've thought Ubuntu MID would continue with Mer as upstream.
[02:28] <eggonlea_> 17:34 < lool> But MID is obsolete
[02:29] <eggonlea_> ARM, as well as LPIA
[08:37] <XPPRESP3> hello all
[08:38] <XPPRESP3> i want to build a device with some applications and use ubuntu 8.01
[08:38] <XPPRESP3> how do i get started with the user interface customization ?
[08:38] <XPPRESP3> do i need to read much about window managers and stuff ?
[08:39] <XPPRESP3> any pointers would be helpful for getting started
[08:43] <lool> XPPRESP3: Ubuntu 8.01?
[08:44] <lool> XPPRESP3: It's a bit too vague to help you specifically; what environment do you target what type of image and device etc.
[08:45] <XPPRESP3> ok, i have Intel Atom processor, and GMA 500 for the graphics
[08:45] <XPPRESP3> it is a touchscreen device
[08:45] <XPPRESP3> what i'am trying to ask is more of a getting started question
[08:46] <lool> XPPRESP3: Well you need a precise goal/vision; there are so many ways you can change Ubuntu that it's hard to give you general advice
[08:47] <lool> Do you want to change the app selection?  The theming?  The software stack entirely?
[08:47] <XPPRESP3> all the apps iam writing are totally new
[08:47] <XPPRESP3> so i wont need anything from ubuntu
[08:47] <XPPRESP3> i mean the applications
[08:48] <lool> Ok why do you need Ubuntu for?
[08:48] <lool> s/why/what
[08:49] <XPPRESP3> i heard that ubuntu has a project for this stuff,  i mean with clutter and has a very stable multimedia framework
[08:49] <XPPRESP3> so i thouhgt i should try
[08:49] <XPPRESP3> i have not finalised what to use yet
[08:55] <lool> XPPRESP3: Ok perhaps you should start by writing your apps or writing down your design goals, then split the integration work into tasks and we can perhaps help you
[08:57] <davmor2> XPPRESP3: is this a scratch your own itch thing or a uni project type thing?
[08:57] <XPPRESP3> the former :-)
[08:58] <XPPRESP3> how do i handle communication between the apps, as to who is in focus, is that the job of the window manager , i need some theroetical knowledge on this one, iam not sure where to find
[08:59] <XPPRESP3> my question basically is, let us say i have 5 applications, written using gtk , clutter etc., i have the ui for launching them , let us say
[08:59] <lool> hmm
[09:00] <lool> XPPRESP3: You could read the ewmh specification, that might be a good start
[09:00] <XPPRESP3> and now , how do i mange these applications , i mean if i'am showing the user the open applications, how do i switch between them ?
[09:00] <XPPRESP3> like we have in mobile phons
[09:01] <XPPRESP3> phones, i mean
[09:01] <lool> XPPRESP3: I'm afraid this knowledge is slow to grasp, you want to write your own minimal Xorg programs and print debug over what the WM is doing
[09:02] <lool> XPPRESP3: You could also look at the metacity/compiz source code
[09:03] <XPPRESP3> ok, now , i understand it will be difficult to grasp, i'am looking for something which is already there, and a bit easier to learn and customize
[09:03] <XPPRESP3> i will look at the options you sent, thank you
[09:04] <lool> I'm afraid it's not easy; but the EMWH spec has pointers to the Xorg bits and that should cover 90% of the API which WMs use to handle windows
[09:04] <XPPRESP3> ok, what's the best route for me, as i need to build a prototype,
[09:04] <XPPRESP3> maybe i can go into the gory details, later
[09:05] <XPPRESP3> metacity , is something i should look at , right ?
[09:05] <lool> Sure
[09:05] <lool> or compiz
[09:05] <XPPRESP3> ok, great, thank you for your time
[09:05] <XPPRESP3> and suggestions
[11:04] <Ajay> hi to all ,is there .deb package for PassiceTex
[12:53] <lool> Ajay: Never heard of that; is the spelling correct?
[12:53] <Ajay> lool, yes it is correct
[12:54] <lool> Ajay: It doesn't seem to be in the Ubuntu archive; the Ubuntu wiki explains how you can request new packages
[12:54] <lool> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[12:55] <lool> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[13:55] <lool> NCommander: Did you update the meeting page with the last two weeks of actions?
[13:56] <dereks>  /topic
[13:56] <lool> dereks: Topic for #ubuntu-mobile: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/weatherreport.html | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/FAQ
[13:56] <lool> :-P
[13:57] <ogra> heh
[13:58] <dereks> lool: yeah :) i had a space
[13:58] <dereks> thanks :)
[14:56] <wutzara_netbook> njpatel: Hey Neil. Did you know, how to compile the netbook-launcher? The INSTALL dont give me a solution to solve the compile-process.
[14:56] <lool> plars: I tried looking at which teams I'm in to set release tracking
[14:56] <lool> plars: I think that's the one: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drivers/+members
[14:56] <lool> plars: I'm in via UDS Organizers
[14:57] <plars> lool: ok
[14:57] <lool> plars: Most QA folks are in via canonical-qa
[14:57] <lool> plars: Not sure how to fix this
[14:57] <plars> lool: I'll take a look, but do you know if there are any historical criteria for what gets targetted?
[14:57] <lool> plars: What do you mean?
[14:58] <plars> lool: as in, what are normally the criteria for deciding if, and by when, a bug should be targetted to a release?
[14:58] <lool> plars: Oh you're not in ubuntu-bugcontrol?
[14:58] <plars> lool: I am
[14:59] <lool> ah probably you are, it's just paged
[14:59] <lool> Right saw you
[14:59] <lool> it didn't make any sense t ome
[14:59] <njpatel> wutzara_netbook: sudo apt-get install build-dep netbook-launcher && ./configure && make && make install ?
[14:59] <playya_> or use pbuilder
[15:01] <lool> plars: Perhaps the easiest to sort this is to chat with the QA team and see whether they can grant you access?
[15:01] <lool> plars: or with release team
[15:01] <lool> either would know
[15:01] <wutzara_netbook> njpatel: he didnt find build-dep. What is that for a packet?
[15:01] <lool> I'm not 100% sure myself
[15:02] <lool> plars: Criteria > well it's a rough feeling on impact and severity
[15:02] <njpatel> wutzara_netbook: it installs all the dependancies of a package, so you can build it
[15:02] <ogra> but its written wronglx
[15:02] <lool> is everybody affected, is it data loss, is it security vulnerability, does it break the system etc.
[15:02] <ogra> *wrongly
[15:02] <ogra> wutzara_netbook, its: sudo apt-get build-dep netbook-launcher
[15:02] <ogra> no "install" in there
[15:03] <lool> plars: So it's some kind of feel/score you see on the bug; a crasher in a specific setup / corner case is not as important as a crasher for 50% os users on boot etc.
[15:03] <plars> lool: but targetting it to a specific release, I kinda feel like I'm making promises about when someone is going to fix it by - wouldn't that be better left up to whoever is going to be assigined the bug?
[15:03] <njpatel> ogra: ah, dammit, thanks for that
[15:03] <ogra> ;)
[15:03]  * njpatel blames the fact that he's ill
[15:03] <lool> plars: Bug targetting is really about saying "Wow this bug is important enough that we should make sure we track status in the foo series"
[15:03] <njpatel> wutzara_netbook: sorry, what ogra said
[15:03] <lool> plars: And hence puts it on the release team's radar
[15:04] <lool> There's an implicit commitment that we will get poked about it
[15:04] <wutzara_netbook> njpatel: ok he download some packages - thanks for that hint. but i dont have a configure skript in the actual branch
[15:04] <lool> But if the bug is truly that important then it's the right thing to do
[15:04] <njpatel> wutzara_netbook: ah, you using bzr; do ./autogen.sh instead of ./configure
[15:05] <plars> lool: understand
[15:06] <plars> lool: have to run afk for a bit, back soon
[15:06] <lool> plars: It's hard to give you a perfect algorithm; perhaps the release team has better recommendations on the heuristics they follow
[15:06] <wutzara_netbook> ok - thanks. I will try it. Thanks a lot for the Tricks. i am want to participate in this project but i dont get it to compile - thats really ashamed :(
[15:06] <lool> plars: Attend a release meeting to see how it works if you like
[15:06] <lool> plars: Or read the log
[15:06] <plars> lool: I usually lurk on it
[15:06] <lool> plars: Ok; I think that gives a good feel on the purpose / handling of these items
[15:07] <lool> win 1
[15:07] <lool> Ups
[15:27] <wutzara_netbook> njpatel: ok all worked so far. is it essential that i run make install? or can i test the launcher without to install it in /usr/ ?
[15:28] <njpatel> wutzara_netbook: the launcher has data such as images that it references and expects in the target, so make install is necessary
[15:29] <wutzara_netbook> njpatel: ok but if i had the launcher already installed. I only want to test some changes in a *sandbox* before i crash my running system
[15:29] <njpatel> wutzara_netbook: if you've already got it installed in /usr, and you ran ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr, then it should work
[15:31] <wutzara_netbook> njpatel: ok - and which file i  should start after compiling. Sorry for the beginner-questions
[15:31] <njpatel> wutzara_netbook: src/netbook-launcher
[15:32] <njpatel> wutzara_netbook: you can start with "-w" option, if you don't want it to take over your desktop
[15:42] <wutzara_netbook> njpatel: thanks alot. all worked like you said. I wondering that no clutteranimations is showed in windowed mode
[15:43] <njpatel> wutzara_netbook: they should be, not sure why they aren't
[15:43] <njpatel> wutzara_netbook: the only animation that won't show is the one when the launcher is out of focus and fades a bit...the rest should work as normal
[15:44] <wutzara_netbook> njpatel: its all there - but the backgound is not showed - no rectangle around the icons and so on. I can post a picture
[18:56] <davmor2> Guys do you know that today's daily is a little pear shape?  I get a block top left that has a a down arrow in it and a tiny block that overlaps that one slightly and that's it
[19:17] <davmor2> GrueMaster: did you get your AAO back yet?
[19:18] <GrueMaster> Just got word that it is in route to me.  Should get it in a couple of days.
[19:24] <davmor2> Yay
[19:42] <lool> davmor2: Build of what? UNR?
[19:42] <davmor2> lool: yes
[19:44] <lool> davmor2: Do you think it's related to the boot stuff?
[19:46] <davmor2> lool: This seems to be the menu systems but in miniature.  However I burnt from karmic.  I'm about to try again with one burnt from jaunty usb creator and see if it's just an issues with that
[20:04] <davmor2> lool: okay that's better but still not right.  I get the top bar with default gnome gfx.  the cursor is the circle and it's constantly spinning, and there is no menu or backdrop
[20:07] <davmor2> lool: damn I click on the bar now it is the same as the other was
[20:14] <davmor2> lool: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/unr.jpg
[20:14] <lool> davmor2: Can you launch a terminal?
[20:14] <lool> davmor2: Did you see xsplash?
[20:15] <davmor2> lool: yes saw xsplash
[20:15] <davmor2> I can access ctrl-alt-Fx
[20:20] <davmor2> lool: does it use clutter to display?
[20:21] <lool> davmor2: Yes
[20:21] <lool> davmor2: Can you check .xsession-errors?
[20:21] <davmor2> lool: ps aux says no clutter running
[20:22] <lool> davmor2: clutter is just a lib
[20:23] <lool> No process
[20:23] <davmor2> ah
[20:23] <lool> davmor2: Check for a netbook-launcher process
[20:23] <davmor2> there are .xsession errors just trying to get them for you
[20:23] <lool> davmor2: Perhaps plugging wired ethernet NM will autoconnect?
[20:24] <lool> davmor2: Otherwise use cmdline ethernet setup
[20:24] <davmor2>  yes and if that fail another usb pen drive 2 ticks
[20:25] <davmor2> lool: try http://www.davmor2.co.uk/.xsession-errors
[20:27] <lool> davmor2: Could you dpkg -l apport\*?
[20:28] <lool> davmor2: actually no need thanks
[20:28] <lool> The apport failures are odd
[20:28] <lool> gnome-session[5103]: WARNING: Could not launch application 'gnome-keyring-daemon.desktop': Unable to start application: Failed to execute child process "gnome-keyring-daemon" (Input/output error)
[20:28] <lool> davmor2: You're getting IO errors
[20:29] <lool> davmor2: Looks like your hardware is defunct
[20:29] <lool> or you have a serious kernel issue
[20:29] <davmor2> lool: this is running from a new pen drive
[20:29] <lool> davmor2: Hmm I wonder what would explain IO errors then
[20:29] <lool> davmor2: Check dmesg?
[20:30] <davmor2> knickers squashfs error abound
[20:31] <davmor2> I'll try reformatting the drive and drop it back on again
[20:34] <lool> Ah
[20:34] <lool> that explains
[20:34] <lool> davmor2: Try the ISO in a VM too if you can
[20:38] <davmor2> lool that's not pretty in vm
[20:39] <davmor2> lool but at least the taskbar was correct :)
[20:40] <lool> davmor2: It should work in virtualbox
[20:40] <davmor2> I use kvm and virt manager
[20:41] <lool> problem is that you get no 3d
[20:41] <lool> virtualbox can pass through the opengl stuff
[20:43] <lool> davmor2: I am booting the current ISO
[20:53] <davmor2> lool: same again meh
[20:53] <lool> davmor2: Well dig the first squashfs errors in your dmesg
[20:53] <lool> davmor2: They might be a kernel issue
[20:54] <davmor2> I'm dropping vbox on 2 ticks
[21:03] <davmor2> lool: works in vbox
[21:03] <davmor2> burnt it to cd I'm going to try it on real hw
[21:05] <davmor2> so the cd works too it's just got to be the transfer to usb :(
[21:06] <lool> too bad
[21:10] <davmor2> I just used gparted on unr to format the pendrive so lets try again :)
[21:27] <davmor2> right formating with vista


[11:35] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
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 where does one find that table?
 @DarinMiller, https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running
 For test infra, not builders


[08:51] <pleia2> been having the worst time getting to ubuntu-news.org these past couple days
[08:51] <pleia2> I've had a pretty nasty headache so haven't really followed up
[13:42] <nhandler> It looks like I'll have some time tomorrow to work on UWN. I can probably publish monday too (although i have no clue what time it will be)
[19:46] <pleia2> ok, emailed nick and akgraner about ubuntu-news.org
[19:47] <pleia2> I can set up some monitoring for it if we want


[06:20] <studio-user659> hi
[06:20] <studio-user659> Can someone direct me in the right direction?
[06:21] <cfhowlett> !details | studio-user659
[06:23] <studio-user659> i'm new to linux.  My friend has a nice linux box setup.... Dont know which distro....  But he has fire, water effects that come from his cursor and stuff.  Is that stuff possible in Ubuntu Studio.
[06:24] <studio-user659> Other than that i'm thinking of installing ubuntu studio on my laptop.  Im trying it out on a live usb.
[06:24] <studio-user659> Im upgrading from VISTA.. lol
[06:26] <cfhowlett> studio-user659, possible, yes.  advisable?  probably not.  US is built on top of xubuntu.  Xubuntu is optimized for older and lower spec hardware.  sounds like your set up.
[06:26] <cfhowlett> long story short, download the US .iso, make a USB, reboot your computer to the USB and test for yourself.
[06:27] <studio-user659> How can i try those effects?
[06:28] <cfhowlett> boot up and "try ubuntu" then test
[06:29] <studio-user659> I am
[06:30] <studio-user659>  == studio-user659<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:30] ==  realname : ip72-198-33-211.ok.ok.cox.net/<IP_ADDRESS> [06:30] ==  channels : #ubuntustudio [06:30] ==  server   : herbert.freenode.net [Webchat] [06:30] ==  idle     : 0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 11 seconds [connected: Tue Dec 13 06:20:12 2016] [06:30] == End of WHOIS
[06:32] <cfhowlett>  8
[06:32] <cfhowlett> down vote
[06:32] <cfhowlett>
[06:32] <cfhowlett> Xubuntu doesn't come with Compiz so no 3D effects out of the box, but turning on the Composite feature gives you many effects like transparency and shadows plus it allows you to use 3D programs like Docky...
[06:32] <cfhowlett> To enable go to: Applications -> Settings -> XFCE Settings Manager
[06:32] <cfhowlett> Then run: Window Manager Tweaks - Compositor (tab) and Enable
[06:32] <cfhowlett> ...and from there play with the settings and fancify your desktop :)
[15:43] <g_santos> Yo, Gustavo from Brazil here. I'm in no way a developer, but I find myself at home with two slipped discs and thought I should try and contribute some.
[15:43] <g_santos> So, how does this work?
[16:31] <krytarik> g_santos: Have a read of  http://ubuntustudio.org/contribute/ , and hop into #ubuntustudio-devel.  Thanks for your interest!
[16:46] <g_santos> Hopping outta here, then.
[16:46] <g_santos> Thanks!


[13:51] <quintasan> blackboxsw: holy cow, thanks, I wouldn't have figured it out myself
[21:52] <faa> we need commiter help write_file bug in FreeBSD https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=265177
[22:01] <holmanb> faa: thanks for reporting.  I don't think that just ignoring the group gid is likely the right solution for non-bsds, though this may work on freebsd. Cloud-init delegates distro/os-specific behavior to distro modules, so assuming this is the right solution for cloud-init in freebsd we could move implementation of this utility into distro-specific files and then update callsites accordingly.
[22:10] <faa> https://pastebin.com/wm7i9anS log 21.2 and 22.2.2
[22:12] <holmanb> faa: freebsd has no root user? what do you call it, wheel?
[22:13] <faa> no, file created ls -lah test-file.sh  -rwxrw-r--  1 root  wheel    18B Jul 12 21:30 test-file.sh
[22:14] <faa> this standart cloud-init.log part, service startet root user
[22:15] <faa> may be cloud init set group roo by default?
[22:15] <faa> root
[22:16] <holmanb> yeah, looks like the root user is assumed to be in group "root" on default. So on freebsd that should be "root:wheel", correct?
[22:16] <holmanb> s/on default/by default/
[22:18] <holmanb> faa: sidenote - for what it's worth, our test coverage for the bsds is very limited, if anybody on the freebsd side wants to make contributions in that area I bet that would be welcome.
[22:19] <holmanb> faa: this is the root group assumption I mentioned: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/e0416cd67b423b9ae28e5edcd0db7aecdde4ecbe/cloudinit/config/cc_write_files.py#L18
[22:21] <holmanb> a quick test would be to set   owner: "root:wheel" in the config
[22:21] <faa> yes if set owner: root:wheel error message not logged
[22:22] <holmanb> nice, glad there's a workaround
[22:24] <faa> yes, thank for help
[22:27] <holmanb> faa: np, I can toss a PR up on github while it's fresh in my brain, but I'll need somebody who actually uses freebsd to review/test
[22:28] <faa> I try to help
[22:28] <holmanb> faa: also, I don't have an acct on the freebsd bugzilla, would you mind relaying the workaround we discussed there?
[22:28] <faa> always write
[22:38] <holmanb> faa: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1587
[22:39] <holmanb> faa: Also, thanks for relaying that to bugzilla :D
[22:41] <faa> done
[23:29] <holmanb> faa: appreciated :)


[15:52] <xnox> Laney: did I like uterely killed ben the transition tracker with my latest trasition? as it has not updated since my push....
[16:50] <Laney> xnox: dunno, I don't have access to the user to do anything about it
[16:50] <Laney> is your file right?
[21:18] <xnox> Laney: well it works locally, but I may have a different ben compiled =/
[21:24] <xnox> Laney: I think somebody magically kicked it to life =) thank you to whoever that was ;-)