[00:03] <brousch> Pygame hasn't had a release since what, 2008?
[00:17] <_stink__> COMBO
[02:59] <cmaloney> brousch: http://archives.seul.org/pygame/users/Jan-2017/msg00032.html
[02:59] <cmaloney> 2017 brousch
[02:59] <cmaloney> Bo-YAH
[03:00] <_stink__> COUNTERPUNCH
[04:54] <greg-g> cmaloney: I copy/pasted what you said about your talk and cwebber to cwebber, he replied:
[04:54] <greg-g> 23:16 < paroneaye> greg-g: :D
[04:54] <greg-g> 23:16 < paroneaye> <3 cmaloney
[13:16] <cmaloney> :-D
[13:16] <cmaloney> greg-g: thank you
[13:16] <cmaloney> unfortunately we couldn't stream last night


[06:35] <clever> ive got a problem with the rtl818x kernel driver
[06:36] <clever> it started a few releases ago but still exists in 7.10
[06:37] <clever> it spews errors to dmesg when droping the wifi link
[06:37] <clever> rtl8180: WW:Phy writing 3 26 failed!
[06:37] <clever> has happened 33 times and a few other similar ones have happened(different numbers)
[06:38] <clever> ive found what line of source is actualy causing that dmesg output but havent figured out why its running
[06:46] <clever> it looks like its trying to do the same thing 70 times and returns when  it works
[06:46] <clever> and that error im getting is after the 70 passes fails
[20:07] <maxlo> hello
[20:07] <maxlo> I am trying to contact the kernel hackers of Ubuntu
[20:07] <maxlo> is this the right place?
[20:13] <JanC> maxlo: it could be, but I'm not sure anyone is around at this time & day
[20:14] <maxlo> I see... what would be the appropirate date? monday-friday?
[20:15] <JanC> I think most of the main (paid) kernel developers are in the US, so probably mon-fri US working hours
[20:16] <JanC> but you could also hang around until you see someone moving   ;)
[20:17] <JanC> there is also a kernel mailing list, but it's moderated AFAIK
[20:19] <maxlo> I see. thanks
[20:21] <soren> Anyone can subscribe and post to it, afaik.
[20:22] <maxlo> I was looking for some casual contact method, such as IRC :)
[20:23] <maxlo> I will try US working hours
[21:21] <yuhong> May I suggest adding a generic-pae kernel to the next version of Ubuntu?
[21:21] <yuhong> Currently it requires a recompile.
[21:22] <yuhong> How about making it the default if NX support or RAM mapped over 4G boundary is detected and if installing the desktop version of Ubuntu.
[21:22] <crimsun> (seriously, use the mailing list, too.  Backscroll is lost easily, and not everyone reads the logs or lastlog.)
[21:22] <yuhong> Also how about a non-PAE server kernel?
[21:22] <yuhong> Make that the default if the processor does not support PAE and if installing a server version of Ubuntu.
[21:25] <JanC> yuhong: I guess systems with more than 4 GiB RAM have support for 64-bit anyway?
[21:26] <yuhong> Most of them.
[21:26] <JanC> on the desktop at least
[21:26] <yuhong> But NX support cannot be enabled without PAE.
[21:27] <zdzichu_> is wasting time on PAE worthful? Even Microsoft removed support for 32bit+PAE from recent OS versions
[21:27] <JanC> so, it doesn't work on 64-bit, or what?
[21:27] <yuhong> No, they didn't
[21:27] <zdzichu_> However, Microsoft has essentially abandoned PAE in the 32-bit versions of Windows XP SP2 and Windows Vista.[5] This is to avoid compatibility problems with the wide variety of third-party device drivers.
[21:28] <zdzichu_> 5. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605/en-us
[21:28] <yuhong> Here is the real story.
[21:29] <yuhong> When NX is enabled, PAE is enabled with a hack that restricts the physical address space to the lower 4G.
[21:29] <yuhong> When PAE is enabled, PAE is enabled without this hack.


[06:52] <saigkill> Hello channel. Is it possible to rename a project and team in LP?
[10:24] <cjwatson> saigkill: Sure.  File a ticket on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion if you can't do it yourself.


[01:44] <JimBuntu> one word marcoagpinto ( in the dark )... blowdarts
[02:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:17] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:32] <EoflaOE> Hello everyone
[10:33] <TJ-> g'morning
[10:35] <TJ-> had fun so far making 18.04 apache2 deliver SSL Labs A+ rating, adding in TLSv1.3, CAA, and CipherSuite options. Shame the 18.04 apache2 doesn't support TLSv1.3
[10:47] <marcoagpinto> hello dear brothers and sisters!
[10:47] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:37] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj!!!! Hi!
[11:37] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[12:38] <BluesKaj> hey marcoagpinto, was busy looking at 1TB SSD prices and reviews
[12:45] <marcoagpinto> cool
[12:45] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:53] <BluesKaj> prices are still too high for my taste
[13:07] <pragmaticenigma> childish behavior will get you no where in life
[13:13] <marcoagpinto> pragmaticenigma: me?
[13:13] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> in general, but in this case MJCD
[13:14] <marcoagpinto> I don't know what is "MJCD"?
[13:14] <EoflaOE> Hello everyone and marcoagpinto
[13:14] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: Hello
[13:14] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:14] <pragmaticenigma> user in main... I typically don't use full handles here
[13:15] <EoflaOE> How is your day going marcoagpinto?
[13:16] <marcoagpinto> fine, thanks, I added 10 POS data into the English LanguageTool (proper names) and you?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> hey EoflaOE
[13:16] <EoflaOE> Hello BluesKaj, how was your day? | marcoagpinto: I am doing fine
[13:17] <BluesKaj> ok here
[13:20] <marcoagpinto> guys?! I guess that the green gadgets and others will come in 20.04 LTS? Maybe they were only added in 19.04 so that they get one year of testing?
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> Don't know what you mean there marcoagpinto
[13:22] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: What are green gadgets? And what do they do?
[13:23] <marcoagpinto> the green buttons, such as in the login screen
[13:23] <marcoagpinto> and also different colours in the CheckBoxes gadgets
[13:23] <EoflaOE> That feature is nice, but I don't know if it will come in 20.04 LTS.
[13:24] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhh :(((((((((
[14:08] <marcoagpinto> [23:25] <tomreyn> maybeyou need \& or &&
[14:08] <marcoagpinto> it didn't work. I have just tested it
[14:08] <marcoagpinto> :(
[15:05] <tomreyn> well, it was just blind guessing, i know nothing about purebasic. why don't you use pythong or any other open source scripting or porgramming language?
[15:10] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn: no, because coding is a hobby... so I am a lazy arse in learning other languages
[15:10] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:11] <marcoagpinto> I do have at least one or two books of Python and Java
[15:11] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:15] <tomreyn> IMO, when learning new languages, your goal shouldn't be to "read this book" but to "write this (non-complex) software"
[15:16] <tomreyn> (but i acknowledge that different people prefer to approach things differently.)
[15:18] <lordcirth_> I prototyped the skeleton of a game in Haskell; I really ought to get back to it
[15:18] <lordcirth_> Well, not even the skeleton; I just wanted to get a handle on how to do OO-like things without OOP
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> lordcirth_: are you a game dev?
[15:19] <lordcirth_> Nope :P
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> :p
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> i made a game in basic once
[15:19] <lordcirth_> I just had several games with bits I really liked and bits I didn't, and I wanted to learn Haskell.
[15:20] <lordcirth_> I still want to make a 4x where the tech tree is different every game, and hidden.
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> you might wanna talk to Ben64 sometime
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: for wishes, you can add a !bug to make a wishlist
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> mgedmin: Also note, do-release-upgrade doesn't use apt
[15:23] <tomreyn> and runs in a GNU screen
[15:23] <tomreyn> or byobu rather
[15:24] <marcoagpinto> I have coded two games :)
[15:24] <marcoagpinto> ZX Spectrum remakes to the PC
[15:24] <marcoagpinto> but that was almost 20 years ago... not much time for that hobby right now
[15:25] <mgedmin> for context, I expressed a desire for do-release-upgrade to use apt's progress bar
[15:25] <mgedmin> because it's annoying to sit there and have no idea how far along the upgrade is
[15:25] <mgedmin> (sometimes some text like "Progress: [ 50%]" scrolls by but I rarely catch it)
[15:26] <mgedmin> and the screen instance spawned by do-release-upgrade steals my scrollback buffer and changes all the screen keybindings from defaults to I-don't-know-what
[15:28] <mgedmin> interesting detail about not using apt
[15:28] <mgedmin> yeah, pstree shows the 'bionic' process is running dpkg directly
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> mgedmin: do-release-upgrade is more of a script, executing a bunch of other applications to perform the necessary configuration changes, package downloads, etc... It would be very difficult to gauge the progress of that, which is likely why it hasn't been included.
[15:28] <mgedmin> hey, the gui update manager has a progress bar
[15:29] <mgedmin> it's the same script with a different frontend afaiu?
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> mgedmin: it might be, it could be a wrapper that looks for those "Progress: [ 50%]" string patterns in the log/output of do-release-upgrade
[15:30] <mgedmin> but yeah, someone would have to write some code to emit magic terminal escapes to draw the progress bar, since it cannot just ask apt to do that
[15:30] <mgedmin> (now I wonder if maybe screen's status bar could be repurposed for this? oh if I had the time)
[15:31] <pragmaticenigma> As a developer, the hard part about progress bars, is a lot of the work being done, is done asynchronously. Where a process is forked to process the command, and sometimes there are no waits to see if the process completed
[15:31] <lordcirth_> Is there any good way to see what processes are contributing to 'buffer' memory usage?
[15:38] <tomreyn> i'd think these are any which are listed with a VSZ that is above the RSS in ps output.
[15:39] <mgedmin> that seems unlikely?
[15:39] <tomreyn> actually top lists SHR
[15:39] <tomreyn> and yes, my initial statement was incorrect.
[15:39] <mgedmin> "buffers" in free have something to do with block device caches iirc
[15:40] <tomreyn>        buffers
[15:40] <tomreyn>               Memory used by kernel buffers (Buffers in /proc/meminfo)
[15:40] <tomreyn> from free(1)
[15:43] <tomreyn> i am still clueless about linux memory handling. :-/
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> Magic!
[21:07] <TJ-> Hmmm, I have DNS-over-HTTPS server working... now what do I do with it? :)
[21:09] <akemlenovo_> Try to resolve all IPV4 adresses to see if it works properly and have some nice cache? :)
[21:10] <daftykins> i read about Firefox moving to that, does it rely on querying a static IP to resolve? o0
[21:12] <TJ-> huh? questions to confuse me!
[21:12] <TJ-> it's a DNS server using HTTPS on port 443 of apache, returms the same info as a 'dig' to port 53
[21:13] <TJ-> right now i've only got it set to allow resolving of domains I host so it can't be abused
[21:14] <TJ-> DoH currently is not distributed, there are lists of known public services the browers and other clients hard-code and use
[21:27] <tomreyn> i guess it lacks a DHCP (or equivalent for IPv6) extension for propagation
[21:28] <tomreyn> but then it may make sense to fight out these undecided fights first.
[21:30] <TJ-> DoH? that's not how it's intended to work. It's basically a resolver that can be used to prevent snooping of DNS requests by any man-in-the-middle (ISP) and hard to block since it uses HTTPS port
[21:30] <tomreyn> DoH vs DoT, Do[HT] vs DNS, 'enterprise' DNS vs Do[HT], and maybe even DNSSec vs DNS
[21:31] <TJ-> DNSSEC is different, that's a guarantee the returned record hasn't been modified (crypto hash)
[21:32] <TJ-> so a MITM could still intercept and modify (thus breaking) the query since it is not encrypted
[21:32] <tomreyn> companies will probably forbid employees from using Do[HT] since it prevents resolving LAN resources (and having those superseed those of public resolvers)
[21:33] <TJ-> Or just operate their own DoH proxy
[21:33] <tomreyn> yes, in the long term you really a combination of DNSSEC + Do[HT] but also allow for a 'trusted' third party injecting / overriding additional records
[21:35] <tomreyn> it'll probably boil down to a custom DoH proxy per company network which will do DNSSec outwards and inject custom records inwards
[21:35] <tomreyn> and clients will have a per system resolver still, which applications will be configured to use
[21:36] <tomreyn> and that'll use this company resolver.
[21:36] <tomreyn> so a similar architecture as we had so far, at least within companies
[21:37] <tomreyn> while outside of companies computers and even apps can talk directly to public Do[HT] resolvers, or local / system proxies
[21:37] <TJ-> Let's hope it goes the way of HTTPS everywhere
[21:38] <tomreyn> i'm not very much in favor of every application doing its own (remote) resolving, though. i like the idea of having it central per system
[21:38] <TJ-> I've one last job to do and that is deploy a TLSv1.3 stunnel config on 853 to ace the DoT tests
[21:38] <tomreyn> i'm fine with proper TLS everywhere.
[21:38] <tomreyn> ugh stunnel
[21:39] <TJ-> I've got SSLlabs giving an A+ for the HTTPS configs now
[21:39] <tomreyn> nice, that's not always easy
[21:39] <TJ-> I've used stunnel since the late '90s I think it was, on Windows, very useful
[21:40] <tomreyn> it is. just it should not be neccessary to use it.
[21:40] <TJ-> I'm going to publish the apache config for others since the searches I did led only to fragments without context, bad advice, or lists of ciphers that cannot be directly entered into the apache config
[21:40] <TJ-> Well once BIND adds DoT support by linking in libssl it won't be needed
[21:40]  * daftykins runs SSLlabs test for fun
[21:40] <daftykins> won't be expecting a high result here given i'm mostly stock
[21:41] <TJ-> I had fun earlier adding CAA RRs to the zone and having it break BIND's dnssec-signzone which does not know of CAA records, had to use a raw type257 record to 'fool' it
[21:41] <tomreyn> i think i read some chat around here about 18.04 ignoring cipher suites defined in service configurations for TLSv1.3 (only) and instead using those from ssl.conf, if any.
[21:42] <daftykins> huh nope got A+ right away, that's just my personal nextcloud using LetsEncrypt
[21:43] <tomreyn> hardly anyone does CAA
[21:43] <daftykins> looks like i have a tonne of weak ciphers still enabled
[21:43] <tomreyn> and still A+? :)
[21:44] <daftykins> assuming i'm interpreting the orange lines correctly that are showing up
[21:44] <tomreyn> i guess you have downgrade protections then and those are only for older TLS protocols
[21:45] <TJ-> 18.04's apache doesn't support TLSv1.3, I've deployed from a PPA that does (the PPA belongs to Ondřej Surý one of the core devs of bind9 and others and DNSSEC guru)
[21:45] <tomreyn> Let's Encrypt has achieved so much, we really should buy those folks many beers
[21:46] <daftykins> yeah mine has come back showing TLS 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2
[21:46] <daftykins> seems to be talking about android v4 handshakes being simulated for TLS 1.0
[21:46] <tomreyn> oh, i was thinking 18.04's would.
[21:48] <TJ-> we have openssl 1.1.1 in 18.04 but apache hasn't been upgraded to support TLSv1.3, whereas i think nginx was
[21:49] <tomreyn> oh ok, maybe i mixed those up.
[21:50] <TJ-> funny how ratings slip. Last time I did the exercise was about 6 years ago... rating had dropped to a low B today until I tweaked everything again
[21:50] <daftykins> shared a pic of what my test result showed in other channels you're both in
[21:52] <daftykins> maybe some homework for another time :D
[21:57] <TJ-> I'll dig out the server config when I'm less tired, tomorrow, and share it so you can compare
[21:58] <TJ-> it's only about 7 lines if that (inc. the DoH reverse proxy )
[21:58] <daftykins> thanks! sounds fun
[22:01] <tomreyn> i'll be interested, too, thanks!


[00:00] <Viva_Nero> "unable to locate package GDM"
[00:01] <Viva_Nero> ah, lowercase worked
[00:01] <TheMaster> Heh ,that'd do it.
[00:02] <Viva_Nero>  okay, it prompted, and it's using gdm now
[00:03] <Viva_Nero> manually starting gdm booted the system properly, let's see if it starts normally now
[00:04] <Viva_Nero> yar, the new panel system is hideous o_e
[00:08] <Punk_Unity> i can see the .themes folder in my home folder
[00:08] <Viva_Caligula> I'm Viva_Nero, my client crashed
[00:08] <Punk_Unity> but it wont show up when i want to extract it to a specific location
[00:08] <Viva_Caligula> it sorta worked
[00:09] <Viva_Caligula> I can see gdm trying to start on the splash, but it won't load to the point that it lets me select an account, which is more than lightdm did
[00:09] <TheMaster> Punk_Unity: That's because it's a hidden folder, either hit ctrl+h, or extract it to the desktop then move.
[00:09] <Punk_Unity> ok
[00:09] <Viva_Caligula> and now it'll respond to mouse input
[00:09] <Punk_Unity> thanks TheMaster
[00:09] <TheMaster> Did you get it?
[00:10] <Viva_Caligula> let's see if gdm's log file has anything...
[00:12] <Viva_Caligula> gdm didn't even make a log file
[00:15] <Viva_Caligula> the system went unresponsive after "sudo thunar" so I could poke around in the logs
[00:15] <Viva_Caligula> nevermind, the terminal just wouldn't give me my cursor back
[00:17] <Viva_Caligula> should I be concerned that I see error messages pour into the terminal when I try to move mouse focus between windows?
[00:19] <acalbaza> hi, how do i show my desktop?
[00:20] <TheMaster> Viva_Nero: It's recommended to use "gksudo thunar" because it's a gui, the bot has a link...
[00:20] <Viva_Caligula> are you in a shell?
[00:20] <acalbaza> i get a black background for the desktop, but i do get a panel
[00:20] <acalbaza> in a xfce session
[00:21] <TheMaster> Supposed to use Xubuntu session, Xfce session is the oddball.
[00:22] <acalbaza> trying that
[00:22] <acalbaza> login window is way too big... i need to scroll to find the dialog.
[00:23] <Viva_Caligula> I'm tired of being trapped in karmic, but can't get newer versions to work >_<
[00:23] <Viva_Caligula> going to see if the system acts better when I manualluy start lightdm instead
[00:24] <grafton> Viva: Are you invoking GUI-enhanced applications from CLI?
[00:24] <Viva_Caligula> gui-enhanced?
[00:24] <Viva_Caligula> I was using a terminal, thunar, and the default text editor
[00:24] <acalbaza> ya, im still getting a panel but no desktop
[00:25] <grafton> For example, invoking windowed applications from CLI. When you do it that way, there's always a continuous stream of feedback.
[00:25] <Viva_Caligula> cli?
[00:25] <grafton> Command line interface.
[00:26] <Viva_Caligula> it was error messages, and mouse focus wouldn't transfer when i tried to click another window
[00:27] <Viva_Caligula> like right now I opened a terminal, and i can click around in it's window, but nowhere else
[00:27] <grafton> Have you tried other terminal emulators, like terminator?
[00:27] <Viva_Caligula> the frame of the window, panel, the desktop etc won't receive mouse focus
[00:28] <Viva_Caligula> EVERY window does that
[00:28] <Viva_Caligula> I used exit to close the terminal and now i can use desktop icons, but not panel
[00:28] <grafton> Which terminal emulator are you using? Also, does that happen _only_ with terminal?
[00:29] <Viva_Caligula> it happens with every program that opens a window
[00:29] <acalbaza> where the eff did my desktop go?
[00:30] <Viva_Caligula> now somehow I can use panel, but not the desktop icons
[00:30] <grafton> lol. This is a bit of a difficult issue to troubleshoot without some more specifics. Are you logging into Xubuntu or XFCE?
[00:31] <Viva_Caligula> xubuntu
[00:31] <Viva_Caligula> I'm having to start my login manager from a root shell in recovery mode <_<
[00:31] <Viva_Caligula> lightdm and gdm act the same
[00:32] <TheMaster> startx do anything?
[00:32] <Viva_Caligula> should I try from a terminal, or a root shell?
[00:33] <Viva_Caligula> ah, can't drop to a root shell because of how I started up
[00:34] <Viva_Caligula> startx gave me a permission error, sudo startx gave this message:
[00:35] <Viva_Caligula> XIO:  fatal IO erro 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0" after 7 requests (7 known porcessed) with O events remaining.
[00:36] <Viva_Caligula> and it won't halt or drop back to the terminal
[00:38] <acalbaza> so, how can i start my desktop?
[00:39] <Viva_Caligula> have you tried restarting, and logging in asa xubuntu session instead of an xfce session?
[00:39] <acalbaza> yes
[00:42] <grafton> acalbaza: Which part of the desktop are you referring to? I'm assuming you're using a gui IRC client, so X is still drawing windows. Is it just that your wallpaper isn't showing up?
[00:44] <Viva_Nero> I'm about ready to just boot up karmic, and start messing with precise later
[00:45] <grafton> Viva: Are you running with a squeaky clean install of precise?
[00:45] <Viva_Nero> brand new
[00:45] <grafton> Not even a dist-upgrade or anything?
[00:45] <acalbaza> grafton: using vmware... i can log into a session but i dont get a desktop.. just a panel nothing clickable where the desktop should be
[00:45] <Viva_Nero> nope, fresh from the disk
[00:45] <Viva_Nero> not sharing a /home, either
[00:46] <grafton> Might want to sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. Ubuntu has always been finicky with me until I got into the practice of dist-upgrades.
[00:46] <Viva_Nero> the only things I've done are install gdm and irssi, and run dpkg
[00:46] <Viva_Nero> as in, I installed into blank partitions
[00:47] <grafton> acalbaza: Wish I could help. I'm no good with vmware simply because it does that to every disc image I try out on it. Good thing this laptop came with a million logical partitions.
[00:47] <Viva_Nero> my /home and os are both on ext3 if that makes a difference
[00:47] <grafton> But I understand that's not really a viable solution.
[00:48] <grafton> Viva: Any particular reason you chose ext3 over 4?
[00:48] <Viva_Nero> I've had file corruption issues with ext4
[00:49] <grafton> This is one of those moments that it would help everyone if Ubuntu was as anal-retentive as Arch when it comes to documentation.
[00:49] <Viva_Nero> it seems to be more prone to corrupting under a hard shutdown
[00:50] <grafton> Viva: Well... yeah. You're basically playing roulette with a hard drive that may or may not be accessed while you're shutting it down, kind of like trying to copy a file to a USB drive and yanking the drive the second the OS reports the file copied.
[00:51] <Viva_Nero> I only do that if the system becomes completely unresponsive, it's not a habit
[00:53] <grafton> Like "bathroom break" unresponsive, or "might as well browse the TiVo" unresponsive?
[00:54] <Viva_Nero> like watch everything in the tivo, and try in vain to get the cursor to move
[00:54] <Viva_Nero> I REALLY don't want to touch the karmic install it's dual booted with, if that install breaks, I'm up a creek
[00:55] <grafton> What sort of hardware are you running it on? I dual-boot with 12.04 on my ASUS G73JW, but trying to use anything more intense than Xfce on the beater desktop I use for school just leads to broken hearts.
[00:55] <Viva_Nero> it's an MSI laptop
[00:56] <Viva_Nero> 2ghz dual core, 4gb ram
[00:56] <grafton> The great thing about the Internet is that you can't punch me for asking if you've tried LXDE, Openbox or Pekwm on 12.04.
[00:57] <Viva_Nero> never tried any GUI other than kde and xfce :x
[00:57] <manitou> need help how to fix "Unable to build kernel module." vmware workstation 8
[00:58] <Viva_Nero> I toyed with the idea of lxde, but too bare-bones from everything I've read about it
[00:58] <grafton> Not to dump on Xfce, because I actually do like it, but if you're chugging, you might want to try switching over to an Openbox session to see if you can't get some more speed out of it. OB is a heart attack until you use MenuMaker to populate the menu.
[00:58] <grafton> Barebones = sexy.
[00:58] <Viva_Nero> XFCE on kramic runs zippy fast
[00:59] <Viva_Nero> I think my idle ram usage is 300mbish
[00:59] <Viva_Nero> *karmic
[00:59] <manitou> xfce and lxde use same amount of everthing
[00:59] <grafton> Would I be too far off the mark in suggesting that both you and the devs have had more time to optimize the system processes?
[00:59] <grafton> With the Karmic install, that is.
[00:59] <Viva_Nero> I didn't optimize too much of anything
[00:59] <manitou> openbox is lighter
[01:00] <Viva_Nero> just played with the graphics settings till it loked good to me
[01:00] <Viva_Nero> mind you, i have everything along the lines om compiz, transparency, etc, truned off because I think it's ugly
[01:00] <grafton> Give me a minute. I'm going to put the battery back in my laptop and take it to the living room. Then I'll tell you about how lovely Pekwm is.  IRC + CSI + fiancee asleep.
[01:06] <Viva_Nero> grafton: I'm thinking about scientific linux where precise is now
[01:07] <Viva_Nero> It's a porject by CERN + some other large labs to havea distro as close as possible to redhat, but completely free and opensource
[01:07] <grafton> Damn, always wanted to try Scientific but it never seemed to work on my box. Would a little persistence make it worthwhile, since I'm about to get into engineering school?
[01:07] <Viva_Nero> *project
[01:07] <grafton> Been wringing my hands over an open-source MATLAB clone.
[01:07] <Viva_Nero> egineering what?
[01:08] <Viva_Nero> I'm taking classes on motor controls right now
[01:08] <grafton> Aerospace. Linux is amazing for all the great open source science applications.
[01:09] <Viva_Nero> I may end up designing safety systems for the local power utility
[01:09] <Viva_Nero> only a semester to go...
[01:09] <grafton> That sounds cool. Hardware failsafes and the sort?
[01:09] <Viva_Nero> yeah
[01:10] <Viva_Nero> PLC's, but mostly relays
[01:10] <Viva_Nero> relays are a lot more relaible than a software based system to do something
[01:10] <grafton> Making it safer for linemen?
[01:10] <grafton> I can get behind that.
[01:11] <Viva_Nero> I've a great deal of respect for somebody who works that hard for their money
[01:11] <grafton> Met a guy a month ago who did some contracting rebuilding after the Texas wildfires. He had a story about an old-timer he worked with who did hot electrical work. Claimed he couldn't even feel it anymore.
[01:12] <Viva_Nero> earlier this week (just for the hell of it) I bit a 2-bit full adder out of relays
[01:12] <grafton> Kind of makes software issues all the more frustrating, no? :)
[01:12] <Viva_Nero> I do a lot of hot work as well, but mostly on 120-240 or so to ground
[01:13] <Viva_Nero> at those voltages you can just use insulated tools
[01:13] <Viva_Nero> an yeah, you get used to being buzzed by 120 after a while
[01:14] <Viva_Nero> I think it's hilarious to see somebody get their first nip of it, but all i do is jerk my hand away xD
[01:14] <grafton> Haha. There was a guy working on my girl's trailer before we moved away from Alabama who insisted on trying to do it hot. Took about six good zaps before I told him to shut up and let me turn off the breaker.
[01:15] <Viva_Nero> splicing something into a 3 phase feeder while hot is a little nerve wracking
[01:16] <Viva_Nero> moreso with each pair of hot-rated dikes/pliers costing $45
[01:17] <grafton> I can only imagine. This dude was probably trying to look cool since we'd just talked about my deployments. The first step to looking cool is to be professional, though.
[01:18] <grafton> Anyway, we'll get the stink eye unless we get back to troubleshooting your issue. I am curious how your hardware handled Oneiric, unless you stuck with Karmic simply out of habit.
[01:18] <Viva_Nero> oneiric refuses to install
[01:19] <Viva_Nero> both the normal and alternat disks spew errors at me, and eventually halt
[01:19] <Viva_Nero> +e
[01:19] <grafton> Okay, that's interesting. Are you using SATA in any sort of special configuration?
[01:20] <Viva_Nero> nope, just a sata dvd-rw drive, anda sata hard disk
[01:21] <Viva_Nero> I tried a dual boot with xp for a bit (had to usea special disk with drivers slipstreamed into it), but I couldn't find drivers for anything
[01:21] <Viva_Nero> and the karmic install is from when I first got the laptop. it'd be jaunty, but jaunty refused to work with wifi
[01:21] <grafton> Were they errors along the lines of "ata err -16"?
[01:22] <grafton> *ata(x)
[01:22] <Viva_Nero> no
[01:22] <Viva_Nero> it was talking about bad sectors, and read errors
[01:22] <grafton> Did fsck disagree?
[01:23] <Viva_Nero> redownloaded/burnt on another machine didn't do anything
[01:23] <Viva_Nero> on the cdrom,  not the hard disk
[01:23] <grafton> Ah. Have you tried a USB install?
[01:24] <Viva_Nero> how would setting that up work?
[01:24] <Viva_Nero> just drop the iso on a thumb disk?
[01:25] <grafton> Basically. Install unetbootin from the Ubuntu repositories, then execute. Point it toward an .iso and a USB stick, and you're in there like swimwear.
[01:25] <Viva_Nero> er, cache 22 about that
[01:26] <grafton> The only thing to remember is to change your BIOS's boot order to prioritize USB over CD-ROM, and invoke the boot menu after POST.
[01:26] <Viva_Nero> I can't install new software onto karmic
[01:26] <grafton> Say what now?
[01:26] <Viva_Nero> repositories for karmic are longgg gone
[01:27] <grafton> Soooo... have you backed up all your data and taken note of the applications you can't live without?
[01:27] <grafton> Because there's no point standing on ceremony when you can't do a damn thing with your operating system.
[01:28] <Viva_Nero> karmic works okay atm, and I have 2 partitons to play with
[01:28] <Viva_Nero> if I break the karmic, I have no computer to use :x (I'm at somebody else's house right now on their's)
[01:28] <grafton> That's like saying you don't need penicillin because the syphillis isn't flaring up at the moment.
[01:29] <Viva_Nero> I'm one to let sleeping dogs lie...
[01:29] <Viva_Nero> but I'll get rid of it if I get something else to work
[01:30] <grafton> Yeah, but it'll drive you crazy with time. If you have an extra partition or two to play with, try a different version or distro for some comparison shopping.
[01:30] <Viva_Nero> that's my main motivation for trying to get precise to run
[01:31] <grafton> You're not alone with 12.04 not working as solidly as past versions. I'm beginning to think the devs were a little sloppy with it just to do rolling tests of their new error reporting system.
[01:31] <Viva_Nero> lucid is still supported, maybe I can try it instead...
[01:32] <grafton> And if you want to get a better handle on why Ubuntu isn't working smoothly, try to get Arch up and running on one of your partitions. It'll drive you insane, but you'll learn so much about the nookies and crannies of Linux that you'll never need official tech support again.
[01:33] <Viva_Nero> maverick was deprecated recently enough I could try a chain of updates
[01:33] <Viva_Nero> I don't know how to do much with a terminal
[01:33] <Viva_Nero> tba, i don't know how to naviagte folders even..
[01:33] <grafton> Also, every Linux distro on the face of the planet is bullshit on VMWare. For some reason, my G73JW doesn't have the horsepower to fully emulate most major distros. The trial run of SUSE 12.1 was a tragic comedy.
[01:34] <grafton> Knowledge is power, man. Learn command line interface, BASH scripting, and how to execute a python script and you'll be way ahead of the game.
[01:35] <grafton> The first time you successfully compile from source is an amazing feeling. I'm pretty sure I heard Handel's "Messiah".
[01:35] <Viva_Nero> my laptop has the heft to run something in virtual box, and give it a gig of ram to play in, but those littl errors in interfacing virtual hardware add up
[01:35] <Viva_Nero> I've done it, but I was reading a step by step tuturial
[01:36] <Viva_Nero> I was wondering about an xfce running flavor of slackware
[01:37] <grafton> To be fair, it all kind of depends on the distro. Arch is really good about warning you about dependencies, which is where the more user-friendly distros fall short if they don't find all the dependencies that are really needed.
[01:37] <Viva_Nero> some of them add gui tools for config
[01:38] <Viva_Nero> yeah, I've heard dependancy resolution and cofig tools vary greatly in slackware flavors
[01:38] <Viva_Nero> some are manual everything, some are very user freindly
[01:38] <grafton> If you really want to get your toes a little wet, perhaps try Crunchbang. It's Openbox, but built on Debian, so you can get the vast majority of packages that you're used to having.
[01:39] <Viva_Nero> get my toes wet?
[01:39] <Viva_Nero> ugh, the combo of IE and mIRC on this computer is driving me insane
[01:40] <grafton> Yeah. I mean, you can't avoid the advanced Linux operations forever, so you might as well do it in an education-friendly environment.
[01:40] <Viva_Nero> okay, booting into karmic so I can use fx and irssi
[01:41] <Viva_Nero> at least the failed precise install fixed my grub, so I don't have to use the "super grub" disk as a bootloader xD
[01:42] <grafton> Ohhhh yeah, rub those hands together and crack open menu.lst.
[01:42] <Viva_Nero> what folder would that be in?
[01:43] <grafton> Hum, let me look for it. It's been a minute since I had to mess with it.
[01:43] <Viva_Nero> note to self: move those "files" into a subfolder in /home
[01:43] <Viva_Nero> >_<
[01:44] <grafton> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[01:44] <grafton> It's worth noting that editing menu.lst directly is deprecated, last time I heard. But I just harumph, stroke my beard, and poke at it anyway.
[01:47] <grafton> That's why I was talking about getting your feet wet: that stuff sounds like mumbo jumbo until you get an error on boot saying Grub doesn't see any hard drives or operating systems hanging around.
[01:48] <Viva_Nero> I've just been using the option on the grub disk that detects configurations, while ignoring the MBR
[01:48] <Viva_Nero> then loading the config from the karmic install, and booting from iy
[01:49] <Viva_Nero> <_< never bothered to se it up different;y after xp broke my grub because I only shut down once in a blue moon
[01:49] <grafton> I'm a bit dyslexic about the commands, but it should be "sudo update-grub", then "sudo grub-install", should grub give you any more crap.
[01:50] <Viva_nero> grr
[01:50] <Viva_Nero> Ah, back to irssi
[01:50] <Viva_Nero> I kept trying to use /names in mIC
[01:51] <Viva_Nero> anyways, how many errors do you think would build up if i did a chain of updates?
[01:51] <grafton> Probably just hates your nickname. "Viva_Cicero" is much more enlightened. :)
[01:52] <grafton> What sort of errors? Basically, at this point, you have very little to lose by "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[01:52] <Viva_Nero> Viva_Caligula was me too <_<
[01:52] <Viva_Nero> tried that, too out of date
[01:53] <grafton> See, that's the problem. Though the original definition of "tyrannoi" has been generally lost to time, dictators never age well.
[01:53] <Viva_Nero> but if i got lucid to install, do you think a series of updates to a more recent version would cause buginess?
[01:53] <Viva_Nero> As Adolf once said "Nero didn't set fire to Rome"
[01:53] <Viva_Nero> :3
[01:53] <grafton> No more damage than using a 3-year old operating system already causes.
[01:54] <Viva_Nero> touche
[01:54] <grafton> If it makes you feel any better, you haven't even seen disaster until blindly accepting system upgrades on an Arch box.
[01:55] <grafton> If you've backed up all your documents, have some fun!
[01:55] <Viva_Nero> first, I need to find lucid on the website
[01:55] <Viva_Nero> what version number was lucid, again?
[01:56] <Viva_Nero> some URL spoofing might take me there
[01:56] <grafton> 10.04.
[01:56] <grafton> Though considering quite a few repositories are on the verge of dropping oneiric, you're probably just screwing yourself.
[01:57] <Viva_Nero> meh, I have time and blank cd's to waste
[01:57] <grafton> http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[01:57] <Viva_Nero> couldn't hurt to try doing a quick upgrade through oneiric
[01:58] <Viva_Nero> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/10.04/release/
[01:58] <Viva_Nero> currently downloading from that page
[01:58] <grafton> Can't imagine it would hurt. Another thing to try is snagging Ubuntu JeOS and manually installing Xfce 4.10.
[01:59] <Viva_Nero> JeOS?
[01:59] <grafton> "Just enough Operating System".
[01:59] <grafton> The ultimate in barebones.
[01:59] <Viva_Nero> I tried switching a xbuntu install to kubuntu once, did not turn out well
[02:00] <Viva_Nero> never could get eiher of the to work right afterwards
[02:00] <grafton> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/jeos-and-vmbuilder.html
[02:00] <grafton> Use with caution.
[02:01] <Viva_Nero> would I just apt-get install xfce, then my other programs?
[02:01] <grafton> I do quite enjoy getting _just enough_ operating system and building it from there. The caveat emptor is that you're going to spend a lot of time troubleshooting and reading wikis, though the time and effort are worth it.
[02:02] <Viva_Nero> ah, I find the trouble shooting to be maddening
[02:02] <grafton> Conversely, and it is a rather large pain in the ass, is to download Debian, then install Xfce. You'll lose a lot of bling and feel-good-juju, but it'll be solid.
[02:02] <Viva_Nero> hence me abandoning that dual boot with xp
[02:03] <Viva_Nero> is panel and it's widgets considered bling?
[02:03] <grafton> An engineer who doesn't like to troubleshoot? I hope the pay is good. ;)
[02:03] <Viva_Nero> troubleshooting software anyhow
[02:04] <grafton> Not as much as compiz and all that. You can sub in pypanel or tint2 and your hardware will never notice.
[02:04] <Viva_Nero> I'm a wiz with a multimeter, but it does me no good for figuring out why the graphics driver won't install
[02:04] <grafton> Troubleshooting graphics cards is easy. If it's NVIDIA, get the proprietary drivers. If it's ATI, buy an NVIDIA card. Too easy.
[02:05] <Viva_Nero> I had no troubles making my card work in linux
[02:05] <xubuntu654> Hi, is there any way to fix the white fonts bug in the Albatros theme?
[02:05] <Viva_Nero> but the thing refused to install in windows, as did my network cards, sound card, and everything-else-cards
[02:05] <grafton> xubuntu: Have a screenshot?
[02:06] <TheMaster> xubuntu654: IIRC, that one isn't fully GTK3 yet, and is being worked on, no?
[02:06] <TheMaster> And awesome talking, > #xubuntu-offtopic
[02:06] <grafton> Windows is a completely different beast; I can't get two USB drives working simultaneously in Win7. Complete bull feces.
[02:06] <Viva_Nero> Oh, I know what he's talking about, sometimes in firefox and the like it'll use the defualt white text, and leave the text box white
[02:06] <grafton> Roger that.
[02:07] <Viva_Nero> I'd rather use 98 than try vista again.
[02:07] <xubuntu654> Am, I don't know if it's GTK3 or no. How can I look that?
[02:07] <Viva_Nero> woot, lucid downloaded
[02:08] <TheMaster> xubuntu654: That's what it'd be.
[02:09] <xubuntu654> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/989814
[02:10] <TheMaster> http://shimmerproject.org/ and https://github.com/shimmerproject/ they'll be updating that as well.
[02:12] <xubuntu654> hopefully they solve that soon, because that black theme is beautiful
[02:21] <Viva_Nero> I like xfce-dusk
[02:22] <taxman> what's the official channel of lxde ubuntu?
[02:22] <pleia2> #lubuntu
[02:22] <grafton> #lubuntu maybe?
[02:22] <taxman> thanks
[02:22] <Viva_Nero> well, gonna try luci in he spare partition
[02:22] <Viva_Nero> here goes nothing
[02:24] <grafton> Didn't even get to say "godspeed".
[02:24] <taxman> it's a movie
[02:44] <grafton> Wonder how that fella's doing with Lucid.
[03:30] <nonuby> cant login today on 12.04, .xsession-errors mentioned missing .ICEauthority and some XIO error, a few restart later and .xession-errors has non-ascii diamond characters, suspect hd failure?
[03:30] <LiquidBlues> I'm using the alternate cd
[03:30] <LiquidBlues> It gets me to the "Install Xubuntu" prompt.
[03:30] <LiquidBlues> I select it and then the screen goes black and, after a bit, the CD stops spinning.
[03:31] <LiquidBlues> Then...nothing.
[03:35] <ruien> LiquidBlues: try editing the (install xubuntu) boot line and remove the "quiet" option so you can get a log of what's happening at boot. I had to do that and then use "acpi=off" in the boot options myself to make it work.
[03:38] <LiquidBlues> Oh, perfect!
[03:38] <LiquidBlues> Yeah, knowing what's happening will help a lot.
[03:39] <LiquidBlues> Will try it now
[03:44] <ruien> nonuby: that sounds like some sort of hardware issue, maybe boot to the livecd and fsck your partition to see if it finds any issues?
[03:45] <nonuby> i did fsck on reboot via the touch /forcefsck method, would that suffice?
[03:49] <ruien> it depends if the operating system had no problem getting that far
[03:50] <ruien> obviously if the partition really is bad, the instructions on the device which contain the fsck program could itself be corrupted, and that wouldn't help
[03:50] <ruien> but if it did run and there weren't any problems, I'm not sure. Did you see anything strange in the kernel log (`dmesg`)?
[04:59] <Robertc1985> xubutnu 12.04 can someone help me get the right video drivers for a dell inspiron e1505, i believe the chipset is intel
[05:01] <Robertc1985> xubutnu 12.04 can someone help me get the right video drivers for a dell inspiron e1505, i believe the chipset is intel
[05:12] <xubuntu906> Question, if anyone knows the answer. My keyboard backlight works in Ubuntu but not Xubuntu. Anyone know why? Or how to fix it. I use WINE to play my games, and accelerated window managers just do not like doing that well, so I wanted to go Xubuntu.
[05:15] <xubuntu906> Ack nevermind. @.@ Shit happened I gotta go fix. I'll ask again later.
[07:32] <Benguin> Is there a ppa for xfce 4.10 yet? (And does it work on linux mint?)
[07:32] <Benguin> I asked in #xfce and tehy sent me here
[07:33] <Benguin> they*
[07:33] <ruien> I believe the answer is yes as I have seen others talking about it before, but I have not used it myself
[07:39] <Sysi> I think ppa for 4.10 final isn't ready yet but packages in ppa of mrpouit should work fine
[07:40] <Benguin> I don't have that ppa either
[07:40] <baizon> https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa
[07:40] <Benguin> Thanks
[08:26] <mips1911> which config file handles dns/name servers these days, /etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten the whole time
[08:30] <tsimpson> have a look at http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[08:30] <tsimpson> mips1911: ^
[08:37] <guest-OzUL3n> Help me someone
[08:40] <ruien> please state the nature of your problem..
[08:41] <guest-OzUL3n> I am update my xubuntu from 11.10 to 12.04 and my windows disapier and i see only a window body whitout things like close the window
[08:41] <mips1911> tsimpson, thanks. I actually prefer this new method. I prefer every thing in a single file, love Arch's rc.conf system
[08:44] <ruien> guest-OzUL3n: that sounds like a theme problem. Which theme are you using, and can you switch to Greybird (the default)?
[08:45] <mips1911> sounds like a xfwm crash
[08:45] <mips1911> if you can't see the title bar and stuff
[08:45] <guest-OzUL3n> I log in from xfce and xubuntu theme and same ... but guest login all fine
[08:46] <ruien> Maybe you have some bad configuration in ~/.config, try moving that out of the way temporarily and log in again
[08:46] <guest-OzUL3n> what configuration is bad?
[08:53] <vincenzo> ciao a tutti
[08:53] <vincenzo> qualche italiano??
[09:02] <mips1911> Non capisco italiano
[09:06] <knome> !it | vincenzo
[09:36] <Benguin> guys, I added the mrpouit ppa but the packages aren't showing up, any ideas why? (I did refresh, but the packages still say 4.8)
[09:40] <shustrik> hi. what name of default GUI package in xUbuntu 12.04?
[09:41] <knome> Benguin, did you do 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' ?
[09:41] <knome> shustrik, what do you mean with the "default GUI package" ?
[09:42] <Benguin> I did do sudo apt-get update, but I then used the package manager and refreshed the packages there but no updates and the packages say 4.8 (I don't have xfce installed on this machine yet)
[09:42] <mips1911> Beguin, 32 or 64 bit?
[09:42] <Benguin> 64
[09:42] <mips1911> Benguin, 64-bit is broken and won't install
[09:43] <Benguin> ah, lame
[09:43] <Benguin> I know it compiles under 64 bit but I've already done that on my pc and can't be bothered to do t again
[09:44] <Benguin> But why can't I even _see_ the packages?
[09:44] <Benguin> THey all say 4.8
[09:44] <shustrik> I install xUbuntu standart installation first. See it. I like it. Then i install in text installation. I find that logon manager is GDM. But can't find package of GUI from standart installation. I install xserver-xorg - it's bad)
[09:45] <knome> shustrik, which version are you referring to?
[09:45] <shustrik> Does anybody speak russian? (((
[09:45] <knome> !ru | shustrik
[09:45] <mips1911> Benguin, when it was built on launchpad there were some unmet dependencies that were sitting in the queue waiting to be build that 4.10 depended on, that's why the build failed. mrpouit will resubmit the broken packages once the dependencies are finished building. Launchpad builds are slow and take time unfortunately.
[09:45] <shustrik> thanks
[09:45] <knome> no problem
[09:45] <Benguin> 'kay thanks
[09:47] <mips1911> shustrik, ubuntu uses lightdm these days
[10:04] <Sysi> when I boot up and start playing music with VLC, sound crackles for about 40s but then fixes itself, can I do something about that or is it just how PA is like?
[10:05] <Sysi> and can I save EQ profiles in VLC?
[10:05] <Sysi> I also take suggestions about nice, simple music players
[10:14] <mips1911> I like Audacious for music
[10:15] <mips1911> VLC EQ save, http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-save-audio-and-equalizer-settings-in-vlc-player/
[10:15] <Sysi> can I search music by artist/album?
[10:15] <Sysi> in audacious that is
[10:15] <mips1911> not sure, will check
[10:19] <mips1911> Sysi, it has a search tool on the menu bar next to your main controls
[10:34] <Sysi> mmh, I think I'll stay with vlc, media keys work without additional fiddling (after enabling them in settings)
[10:35] <Sysi> eq profile saving could be easier but I could've googled it myself :P
[10:44] <Hamish> Hi, sorry for the faq, the answer on the website didn't satisfy.. Q: what the heck to do I have to edit in the Greybird themerc file to get a 1-2 px wide frame so I can resize? I can personally work around it with the old alt-right-click trick, but this is currently blocking deployment of 12.04 for our outfit.. there's got to be a way as switching over to the StoneAge theme makes things better. I just can't pinpoint the adjustment in that which is h
[10:44] <Hamish> elping.. the best I can figure is that left-active.xpm is 3 px wide instead of 2.  any hints?
[10:49] <Sysi> Hamish: afaik border width is "defined" by .xpm files, 1x1 sized ones
[10:51] <Sysi> edit those or use another theme
[10:53] <Hamish> ok, editing away... :-)
[11:12] <Hamish> a little ascii art to make the left-active.xmp, right-active.xpm and bottom-left|right.xpm files be four pixels wide seems to do the trick. cheers
[11:13] <Sysi> np
[11:54] <theluckymike> any ideas with strange ubuntu lag. when I dont touch it - it frozes, at moment when I move mouse it starts to work again. booting frozes in begining of loading xfce, but when I move mouse it continue to load..
[11:54] <theluckymike> and with anything it happens - if I launch something it wont launch if I will not move cursor
[11:57] <theluckymike> and cpu usage is 100% all the time, even when if only loaded is task manager, but in processes nothing shows up more than 5% usage
[11:59] <baizon> what process is using the cpu?
[11:59] <baizon> what version of xubuntu?
[12:00] <baizon> it doesnt sound like an xfce problem for me
[12:00] <baizon> its more like a kernel / driver problem
[12:13] <xubuntu926> hi, i update xubuntu to 12.05 version and now the touchpad don't work propely . how can i fix this problem?
[12:14] <theluckymike> sorry for dc, anyone have idea for my question about system hangin while not moving mouse?
[12:17] <mips1911> xubuntu926 is it enabled under mouse settinsg?
[12:20] <xubuntu926> yes
[12:21] <xubuntu926> my problem is the right click and the middle click
[12:28] <xubuntu885> alguien habla español ?
[12:29] <GridCube> !es
[12:34] <BongPh> hello could someone help me pls.
[12:34] <GridCube> !help
[12:35] <BongPh> ohhh, okey... how could i change the boot menu of xubuntu???
[12:35] <BongPh> i'm using dual boot and i don't wan't anyone using my xubuntu os.
[12:36] <BongPh> hello
[12:37] <GridCube> !patience | BongPh
[12:39] <GridCube> BongPh, you should read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[12:39] <BongPh> thanks GridCube, i'll try..
[12:39] <GridCube> :)
[12:43] <BongPh> sorry for asking GridCube, but i don't understand the grub 2??? it's actually my first time using xubuntu and just installed today.. i could not follow up the instruction on changing my boot menu
[12:44] <GridCube> ok
[12:44] <GridCube> BongPh, grub2 is the menu you see when first booting
[12:44] <BongPh> is there any instruction that i could just simply follow?
[12:44] <GridCube> BongPh, there might be
[12:44] <GridCube> wait
[12:45] <BongPh> thank you grid... are you using xubuntu?
[12:46] <GridCube> yes
[12:47] <BongPh> hehehe.. hope that i could ask your help often.. its my first time using xubuntu.. and i love the design..
[12:47] <GridCube> BongPh, you can come here and ask whenever you want
[12:47] <BongPh> specially the bottom tool bar..
[12:47] <GridCube> :)
[12:47] <GridCube> thats just a panel
[12:48] <BongPh> thanks... ohhh.. heeheh.. it's more better than ubuntu, i could easily change without using codes..
[12:48] <GridCube> :)
[12:49] <GridCube> BongPh, ok, so you are dualbooting with xubuntu and windows correct?
[12:52] <BongPh> yup... my family don't know how to use xubuntu that's why there using windows.. i'm the only one using xubuntu because i search a lot and i don't know if the website that has no viruses... linux is almost virus free.
[12:52] <GridCube> yes :)
[12:53] <knome> if your family is mostly using the web only, you should make them familiar to firefox (or any other browser available on linux) and make them try it on linux instead of windows
[12:54] <GridCube> :P i did that
[12:54] <GridCube> people doesnt realize they are using another os
[12:54] <knome> me too, it works
[12:57] <BongPh> hehehe... but the problem GridCube, when using documents..
[12:57] <BongPh> there not familiar with libreoffice
[12:58] <knome> BongPh, install libreoffice under windows first, tell them to try it out
[12:58] <GridCube> :P well install libreoffice in windows aswel
[12:58] <knome> BongPh, my experience is that the menu structure is more logical than in ms office
[12:59] <knome> of course, it's different, and takes some learning, but if you use your brain to think where something is, libreoffice is better
[12:59] <BongPh> ohh, but the problem is that when i'm out to work no one will teach them how to use the office.. heheh
[13:00] <knome> unfortunately, documents are not 100% compatible, but as i've seen it, 99% of the people do not need 100% compatibiliness/look-a-likeness
[13:00] <knome> it's pretty much only when you have to follow some strict guidelines for documents and it's somebody else who set them
[13:00] <GridCube> :P i do, that i print to pdf
[13:01] <GridCube> s/that/thats why/
[13:01] <knome> GridCube, i mean 100% compatibiliness/look-a-likeness/tranferability between ms office <-> libreoffice, back and forth
[13:01] <knome> +s
[13:01] <GridCube> ah
[13:01] <GridCube> yes, well, i tell people its a new office and the go, oh well
[13:02] <knome> ;)
[13:02] <BongPh> hahhah
[13:02] <knome> yeah, different versions of office (even same version but in different OS/machine) are worse than ms office <-> libreoffice
[13:02] <GridCube> like if the change between office2003 and office2007 wasnt incredibly HUGE
[13:02] <knome> and libreoffice usually keeps the settings you've set
[13:02] <knome> not always, but usually
[13:02] <BongPh> so guys is there a way i could change my boot menu.. thanks..
[13:03] <knome> there are some quirks there too, especially if you want to be pixel precise
[13:05] <GridCube> BongPh, http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-change-the-default-boot-order-for-grub2-in-ubuntu-1004-and-ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat/
[13:05] <GridCube> thats the safest way
[13:06] <GridCube> use leafpad instead of gedit where it says so
[13:06] <BongPh> thanks a lot..
[13:07] <BongPh> hey could i play games on xubuntu like online games on Gpotato which is flyff? i love the game.
[13:07] <GridCube> you can also change the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT to something like 5 and comment the GRUB_TIMEOUT and your family wont even see the menu, but you will know its there and will be able to activate it pressing shift
[13:07] <GridCube> i have no idea what that means BongPh
[13:07] <GridCube> but you can try
[13:07] <BongPh> hehhehe..
[13:10] <BongPh> GridCube, it says
[13:10] <BongPh> bernardo@family:~$ sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[13:10] <BongPh> [sudo] password for bernardo:
[13:10] <BongPh> sudo: gedit: command not found
[13:10] <BongPh> bernardo@family:~$ sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[13:10] <BongPh> sudo: gedit: command not found
[13:10] <BongPh> bernardo@family:~$
[13:10] <knome> 16:06  GridCube: use leafpad instead of gedit where it says so
[13:10] <GridCube> BongPh, BongPh read the line i said
[13:10] <GridCube> what knome said XD
[13:10] <BongPh> ohhh sorry.. i'll try agin
[13:11] <GridCube> apparently theres a tool for that already o:
[13:12] <GridCube> its called grub-set-default
[13:12] <GridCube> o:
[13:13] <GridCube> who knew!?
[13:14] <knome> its creator at least
[13:14] <GridCube> ill say so
[13:15] <Sysi> !info grub-customizer
[13:16] <BongPh> thank you so much.. just change them.
[13:16] <GridCube> that never worked for me, and borked my plymouth screen :/
[13:16] <Sysi> plymouth screen has worked for somebody at some point?
[13:16] <GridCube> me
[13:16] <GridCube> :D
[13:17] <Sysi> I think it wasn't plymouth yet when I got boot splash on my netbook..
[13:17] <GridCube> with generic drivers it works flawlessly, with propietary drivers the screen goes to 800x600
[13:18] <Sysi> I'm using nouveau, I see liquorix penguin logos for two seconds but that might be just ssd
[13:19] <GridCube> :P
[13:51] <laite> I'm having trouble with HDMI audio with my television, could somebody help me? It seems that audio only works if my TV is on while booting xubuntu - if I switch TV on while xubuntu is already running video works, but not audio
[13:51] <laite> but then, as soon as I reboot (with TV on) audio starts to work
[13:52] <GridCube> laite, on pavucontrol, you can choose the output for a program, give it hdmi for your media program while its running
[13:53] <laite> GridCube: If 'pavucontrol' is same as 'sound settings' then I've tried that, and it shows HDMI but no audio can be heard
[13:53] <laite> until reboot, that is
[13:54] <GridCube> laite, mmm
[13:54] <laite> I'm using ATI proprietary drivers, if that's of something
[14:00] <GridCube> don't know
[14:01] <GridCube> i avoid ati as a personal rule :P
[14:01] <laite> =)
[14:29] <eoippo> im am not expert at all in cimputer, i want to install xubuntu together with already-installed win but i don'konw how...
[14:33] <GridCube> eoippo, download a livecd iso from the download page at xubuntu.org
[14:34] <Liquidedge> Is there a way for xubuntu to handle dual monitors?  Right now, it's just cloning my laptop one.
[14:34] <GridCube> burn the image using any image burning software, like isoburn
[14:34] <GridCube> eoippo, then boot it and follow the instructions on the installer, things should go smoothly
[14:34] <Sysi> Liquidedge: arandr
[14:36] <GridCube> eoippo, be aware that installing another operative system is a bit dangerous, not much in the latest years, but still dangerous, so backup all your important data, things shouldnt go wrong, but if they do, you will be thankful of having saved it :P
[14:37] <Liquidedge> Sysi:  Well, aren't you my hero.
[14:37] <laite> Liquidedge: If you're willing to go that road, both NVIDIA and ATI (AMD?) offer closed drivers with easy graphical setups
[14:37] <GridCube> he aint, he just cool
[14:38] <Liquidedge> laite:  arandr worked perfectly.
[14:38] <laite> Liquidedge: it does =)
[14:39] <Sysi> if you want it to be always set up like that, you need to export script with arandr and set it to autostart
[14:39] <Liquidedge> I switched from Linux Mint and am so glad I did.
[14:39] <Liquidedge> Oh, okay.  I can do that.
[14:41] <laite> I've actually hesitated for quite a while between Debian testing and xubuntu, but it seems that xubuntu took the lead on my main computer
[14:42] <laite> for my laptop.. if I can't get HDMI-problem fixed I gotta look on something else :/
[14:42] <Liquidedge> I've had computers in my house running Ubuntu, lubuntu, Mint, etc.
[14:42] <Liquidedge> Xubuntu has now taken them all over.
[14:54] <lighta> hmm how can I go on 12-04 with cli ?
[15:08] <koegs> lighta: sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:13] <lighta> thx koegs yep I found that
[15:32] <mips1911> Why does xubuntu use gnomevfs, why not gvfs? What's the difference
[17:05] <xubuntu601> hi i was wondering if anyone would help me share a folder on my server 2008 vb to my xubuntu client on vb?Thanks
[17:06] <xubuntu601> i have version 10.04 by the way, i can ping but unfortunately then im stuck
[17:06] <GridCube> xubuntu601, you might get better help on #vbox
[17:07] <xubuntu601> thank you GridCude, im doing this for my final project and i just wanna have something that no one else has because im a middle of the road student
[17:07] <mips1911> how can I add a repo via cli?
[17:12] <GridCube> mips1911, a ppa?
[17:16] <Mokura> How would I go about changing mimetype data for a particular filetype?  .spc is used for SNES music (which opens up fine in Audacious), but it shows up in Thunar as some kind of PKCS certificate type.
[17:16] <GridCube> !info mysql-admin
[17:18] <GridCube> Mokura, right-clic>open with>choose program>thick always open this filetype with this program
[17:18] <Mokura> Oh I did that, what I meant was how can I edit the filetype description string
[17:18] <Mokura> to show something like "SNES Audio Data" instead
[17:19] <GridCube> oh, you have to wait till 4.10 is out with the mime type editor
[17:19] <Mokura> 4.10 of... XFCE, I'm guessing?
[17:19] <Mokura> er
[17:20] <GridCube> yes
[17:20] <Mokura> Okay.  I can live with that.
[17:20] <Mokura> Thanks!
[17:20] <knome> "until 4.10 is in xubuntu"
[17:20] <GridCube> no problemo muchacho :P
[17:20]  * GridCube likes to fail in spañish like that
[17:20] <knome> aha
[17:27] <Mneumonic> Has there been a fix found for thunar taking 30 seconds to start the first time you reboot
[17:27] <Mneumonic> I know you can uninstall the samba backends package to fix it but I'm wondering if there is a real fix for it
[17:28] <pleia2> well, you can edit /usr/share/gvfs/mounts/network.mount and change AutoMount to false
[17:28] <Mneumonic> what does that do
[17:28] <pleia2> makes it so it doesn't spend a lot of time automounting the samba shares
[17:28] <GridCube> doesnt try to mount networks at first launch :P
[17:28] <pleia2> you just have to mount them on demand
[17:28] <Mneumonic> that would work fine
[17:29] <Mneumonic> for now i suppose
[17:36] <wildmanne39> hello, does anyone know how to fix an issue with the file manager in xubuntu 12.04 it opens real slow and I get a error message that it could not be opened, the message is Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[17:36] <GridCube> ja
[17:36] <GridCube> XD
[17:36] <pleia2> wildmanne39: I think you want #2 http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[17:37] <GridCube> :D fresh stuff, get it while is hot
[17:37] <pleia2> yeah, we just published that page like 4 minutes ago :)
[17:37] <wildmanne39> thanks pleia2 that looks like what I need
[17:54] <calico> could anyone help me start my win7...
[17:59] <GridCube> !detail | calico
[17:59] <GridCube> !details | calico
[17:59] <calico> ok, I NEED to start my Windows 7,. It's dual boot, I installed ubuntu over my win7. I tried the repair boot thingy but it didn't work http://paste.ubuntu.com/969690/
[18:00] <GridCube> you installed "over" or "alongside"
[18:00] <calico> alongside
[18:00] <GridCube> if you installed "over" tehre is no way back
[18:00] <GridCube> ok
[18:00] <GridCube> open a terminal and write this:
[18:00] <GridCube> sudo update-grub
[18:01] <GridCube> and pastebin the results
[18:02] <calico> http://paste.ubuntu.com/969719/
[18:02] <calico> I didn't have vista before I ran the boot repair
[18:06] <GridCube> calico well you can load win7 now
[18:06] <GridCube> just choose it from the menu at boot
[18:06] <calico> No I can't, all I got when trying to load it is a blinking _
[18:06] <calico> same on the Vista option
[18:06] <GridCube> oh
[18:07] <GridCube> thats bad
[18:08] <calico> in what way 'bad'...
[18:08] <GridCube> well, grub is seeing the windows boot sector, and its adding it to the list
[18:09] <GridCube> so it doesnt seem to be a grub fault
[18:09] <calico> well, i dont know but all I did is install xubuntu..
[18:09] <GridCube> mmhm
[18:09] <GridCube> yes i see
[18:09] <GridCube> tried now after this update-grub?
[18:10] <calico> no, I didn't reboot, but the repair boot program did just that at the end
[18:10] <GridCube> yes i know
[18:10] <calico> or at the begining, dunno, but I saw it
[18:11] <calico> should I try again
[18:11] <GridCube> calico, would not harm
[18:12] <calico> :S
[18:12] <GridCube> calico, can you see the files on those partitions?
[18:12] <GridCube> sda1 and sda2
[18:15] <calico> same
[18:15] <calico> shit
[18:15] <calico> ..
[18:15] <GridCube> ok
[18:16] <knome> !language | calico
[18:16] <AxD09> Have you tried mounting your win7 partition, atleast for backup purposes?
[18:17] <calico> AxD09, I don't know what you mean
[18:17] <calico> but I'm on a laptop if that helps
[18:17] <GridCube> calico, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1441608&page=1
[18:17] <AxD09> yea, try that link
[18:21] <calico> ok this thread points to that on
[18:21] <calico> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1014708
[18:21] <calico> what sd
[18:21] <calico> I need to write
[18:22] <calico> here's my update-grub paste bin
[18:22] <calico> http://paste.ubuntu.com/969719/
[18:22] <AxD09> sudo fdisk -l in those instructions should help
[18:25] <calico> sory I didn't understand it still
[18:25] <calico> this is what I got with fdisk -l
[18:25] <calico> http://paste.ubuntu.com/969769/
[18:26] <AxD09> sda5 is your linux partition, sda1 is your win7 boot partition, sda2 is your win7 data partition
[18:27] <calico> so basically I continue with exactly what the tutorial says?
[18:27] <AxD09> yup
[18:27] <soldemaro> what should I do if I cant go standby on my laptop xubuntu 12.04? It quits internet, sound and then completely frozes ;/
[18:28] <soldemaro> what should I do if I cant go standby on my laptop xubuntu 12.04? It quits internet, sound and then completely frozes ;/
[18:29] <calico> AxD09, are you sure about that line sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/sda5 /dev/sda
[18:29] <calico> because I dont have only sda
[18:29] <calico> should I replace it with sda1
[18:30] <AxD09> sda is the whole drive, not a partition
[18:30] <AxD09> so yea
[18:31] <calico> ............ http://paste.ubuntu.com/969777/
[18:31] <AxD09> hmm instructions must be old
[18:33] <AxD09> looking..
[18:33] <calico> roger that
[18:33] <AxD09> what does sudo grub-install /dev/sda say?
[18:34] <calico> Installation finished. No error reported.
[18:34] <AxD09> weird, i guess continue the tutorial
[18:35] <calico> what do you mean
[18:35] <AxD09> make sure to skip the 9.04 or older section
[18:35] <AxD09> in the tutorial, skip that one section
[18:35] <AxD09> in the red text
[18:35] <AxD09> also, the xp one
[18:37] <AxD09> O, i see. You used sda1 on that one command
[18:37] <AxD09> you were supposed to use sda
[18:38] <metals> hi
[18:38] <metals> how can I use this software?        xfce4-xkb-plugin-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2
[18:39] <metals> how does it install?
[18:39] <calico> AxD09, that one? sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[18:39] <Unit193> !info xfce4-xkb-plugin
[18:40] <AxD09> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/sda5 /dev/sda (you changed it to sda1 in the pastebin)
[18:40] <metals> hmmm? :D
[18:40] <metals> I am new to Linux
[18:40] <metals> how?
[18:40] <AxD09> right click on the panel and under panel, click add new items
[18:40] <Unit193> metals: You don't download stuff like that, you open synaptic and search, or apt-get install it.
[18:41] <calico> calico@calico-Aspire-5742G:~$ sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/sda5 /dev/sda
[18:41] <calico> Installation finished. No error reported.
[18:41] <Unit193> !install
[18:41] <metals> unit193: how? sudo grub what?
[18:41] <metals> how?
[18:41] <AxD09> okay calico, now restart and see if it works. If not, you might want to follow the instructions further in that tutorial on restoring the win7 bootloader
[18:41] <AxD09> That wasnt for you metal
[18:42] <Unit193> metals: No, that was the other person, type in a terminal   sudo apt-get install xfce4-xkb-plugin
[18:42] <metals> Unit193: it says: sudo apt-get install xfce4-xkb-plugin
[18:43] <metals> xfce4-xkb-plugin is already the newest version.
[18:43] <metals> so?
[18:43] <Unit193> So it's installed.
[18:43] <calico> ...ok, reboot, i'll just paste this here so I don't dig up into the pages if I have to come back http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1014708
[18:43] <kiber_mazai> hi all!
[18:43] <AxD09> metals: right click your panel and under panel, select add new items.   I don't know
[19:16] <metals> aha
[19:16] <metals> I have two HDDs
[19:16] <metals> maybe that's why?
[19:17] <calicooo> it's kernel motherboard stuff bro, all these versions have slight variations with how they operate your hardware
[19:17] <calicooo> you need to search your motherboard and problem
[19:18] <calicooo> and you might find a solution if there are enough people with your hardware running ubuntu...
[19:19] <metals> see
[19:19] <calicooo> and even if you find one, expect surprises when you upgrade to the new xubuntu version...
[19:19] <metals> Kubuntu is OK
[19:19] <metals> Xubuntu and Ubuntu 12.04had problems
[19:19] <metals> still motherboard?
[19:20] <calicooo> i'm no expert, but i had different issues with different linux versions too
[19:20] <calicooo> my guess is that's a kernel / motherboard issue
[19:20] <calicooo> and if you googled your motherboard model and the issue
[19:21] <calicooo> you might find a solution
[19:21] <metals> don't know kernel
[19:21] <metals> but will check my motherboard settings
[19:21] <calicooo> just google your motherboard model and your issue...
[19:23] <calicooo> Sysi: if I run Win7 installation from a flash drive and try to repair my win7 to make it start do you think that it will work
[19:24] <metals> thanksm calicooo
[19:25] <metals> bye all
[19:26] <Sysi> calicooo: I think it should be able to overwrite grub in MBR
[19:27] <calicooo> Sysi: so that means that I will be able to start Win7 but will lose the option to start xubuntu?
[19:28] <Sysi> yeah
[19:29] <calicooo> you were here 30 40mins ago right, could you please look up and I copy and paste the link they gave me, it was a ubuntu forums link
[19:30] <Sysi> this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1441608&page=1
[19:32] <calicooo> yes, thank you very much
[19:34] <calicooo> hmm do you think I'd be able to run that from a Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x86 EN IE9 Super Lite CD
[19:34] <calicooo> which is 700mb version
[20:02] <pfifo> hi guys
[20:03] <knome> hello
[20:04] <pfifo> I have aliveusb, with grub2 isoboot, Ive been using 10.04 for the last 2 years as a rescue/install disk, I plan to upgrade my system to 12.04 and im wondering if I should upgrade my flash drive as well. Note, I dont need a 10.04 liveusb to install 12.04
[20:04] <pfifo> any advantages?
[20:04] <metals> hi
[20:04] <metals> how can I check what my motherboard is?
[20:05] <metals> any way from inside Xubuntu?
[20:05] <pfifo> open your case and look at the make/model
[20:05] <metals> mine is plumbed
[20:05] <metals> :D
[20:05] <knome> metals, lshw
[20:05] <metals> knome: ...?
[20:05] <pfifo> `sudo lshw`
[20:05] <knome> metals, try lshw in terminal
[20:06] <knome> pfifo, if the flash drive works, no specific reason to upgrade that
[20:07] <Sysi> newer flash drive could be faster, but doesn't matter that much on rescue system
[20:08] <knome> Sysi, was talking about upgrading the OS on the FD anyway
[20:08] <Sysi> ah, misunderstood
[20:08] <pfifo> knome,  thats what I was thinking, as long as i can apt-get software I need for whatever it is im doing. Should be ok. Sysi, I dont have usb3 so I dont think that really applies anyway.
[20:09] <Sysi> actually it does, flash drives are slow
[20:09] <metals> thanks for the help, people
[20:09] <knome> metals, no problem
[20:09] <knome> Sysi, i suppose "as long as it works"...
[20:10] <Sysi> yeah, and there's no any guarantee about really seeing any difference
[20:11] <pfifo> Im pretty happy with the speed it runs at anyway, dont really need it too often.
[20:12] <pfifo> alright then, Ill stick with what I have and experiment with 12.04 live system at a later time, thanks.
[20:13] <knome> have fun
[20:13] <pfifo> thanks
[20:18] <BongPh> hello, good day... what application i can used that can convert video on xubuntu?
[20:19] <pfifo> I use tovid to make dvd's, theres also ffmpeg, mencoder and transcode
[20:19] <pfifo> of wich ffmpeg is my favorite
[20:35] <BongPh> thank you so much pfifo..
[20:40] <metals> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/206952
[20:40] <metals> seems 12.04 has issues with suspend globally
[20:44] <Voverius> hello to all!
[20:44] <Unit193> !hi!
[20:45] <Voverius> It is stable  version of XFCE 4.10 in a PPA?
[20:45] <mongy> Voverius: not a 'supported' version by the buntu's
[20:45] <mongy> Voverius: so any bugs you file may be rejected.
[20:45] <Voverius> Um. What does it mean for me as user?
[20:46] <Voverius> I would to know, this version of XFCE is as stable as 4.8 ?
[20:47] <mongy> Voverius: personally not used it, but most distros have it available now.  Just saying it's a ppa so unofficial so ymmv
[20:48] <Sysi> I think there's isn't PPA for final packages yet
[20:48] <Unit193> !ppa
[20:49] <mongy> Sysi: it's not a final version yet?  I thought it was.
[20:50] <Voverius> Ghm, it's interesting for me - why does not  official Xubuntu version update XFCE to 4.10 ?
[20:53] <aquix> thats part of a bigger question. they have enough packages to update. There is a reason people use ppa's :)
[20:54] <aquix> ppa's where originally made for developers and not meant for stable releases
[20:55] <Sysi> debian-inherited policy to only apply bugfixes to current versions of software on stable release
[20:56] <Sysi> mongy: xfce 4.10 is stable bu don't know of PPA that has it, mrpouit's one has pre2 ot something
[20:57] <mongy> Voverius: https://plus.google.com/u/0/112064450121097287690/posts/hcgQQ2hqJit
[20:57] <aquix> Also appreciate all the work and testing needed in a 6 moth release cycle.
[21:06] <Voverius> It's possible to add some functionality to XFCE like icons arrangement?
[21:06] <Voverius> P.S. I'm a new XFCE user.
[21:07] <Voverius> Before I've used Unity/Gnome 2
[21:10] <Voverius> Second question - When system starts, XFCE does not mount a USB disks ... I've checked an automount options, but it didn't help me.
[21:11] <Voverius> XFCE mounts only on hotplug
[21:13] <mongy> Voverius: as for icons, I turn them all off so 'm no help.  mounting usb should work when you plug in stick.  does for me.
[21:14] <mongy> Voverius: clicking on the partition in thunar will mount it if not.  I tend to not enable automounting for anything.
[21:24] <hipparchia> hi :)
[21:24] <Voverius> mongy, I know and understand that is for security reasons, but for my better user experience I need to enable automount when system starts up.
[21:25] <Voverius> Not via clicking on partition - it's not option in my situation
[21:41] <aquix> Voverius,  use UUID to mount the disk..  UUID = unique identifier  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountlinux
[22:17] <martinphone> how do I join 5 VOB files into one mp4 file?