[08:11] <Saviq> tsdgeos, mornin'
[08:11] <tsdgeos> Saviq: hey
[08:11] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we got 5.4 breaking a bunch of our tests ;/
[08:12] <tsdgeos> did we?
[08:12] <Saviq> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10269595/
[08:12] <Saviq> oups
[08:13] <Saviq> tsdgeos, runaway :P
[08:13] <Saviq> tsdgeos, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10269595/
[08:14] <tsdgeos> what
[08:14] <tsdgeos> clicking the link makes it vanish
[08:14] <tsdgeos> maybe needs a qt 5.4 rebuild?
[08:15] <tsdgeos> anyhow
[08:15] <tsdgeos> yeah i'll have a look
[08:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I can repro locally after a rebuild
[08:17] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the other priority we have today is https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/physical-key-mapper/+merge/249890 - if Daniel shows up early, he could review, otherwise I'd like you to have a look, and mzanetti to test rtm silo 2
[08:17] <Saviq> 20
[08:18] <tsdgeos> Saviq: he's carnival'in
[08:18] <tsdgeos> so i don't think he'll show up
[08:18] <Saviq> tsdgeos, oh right
[08:18] <Saviq> tsdgeos, then yeah, please review, it's not huge
[08:18] <tsdgeos> sure
[08:18] <tsdgeos> now clicking on that link didn't make it crash
[08:18] <tsdgeos> :D
[08:19] <Saviq> if you have an idea to simplify, let me know, it was 1am yesterday I finished that, so might've missed something
[08:26] <Saviq> tsdgeos, network issues? or IRC acting up?
[08:26] <tsdgeos> Saviq: irc client crashing because of Qt 5.4
[08:26] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10269746/
[08:27] <Saviq> o yay ;)
[08:34] <mzanetti> moin moin
[08:34]  * mzanetti starts testing silo2
[08:38] <Saviq> mzanetti, 20, not 2
[08:39] <Saviq> mzanetti, before that, you might wanna ask trainguards to update qtsystems in silo 0
[08:39] <mzanetti> mhm
[08:40] <Saviq> I just kicked a unity8 build
[08:41] <Mirv> right, your qtsystems needs to be rebased on the new git snapshot and version bumped
[08:42] <Saviq> yup
[08:44] <mzanetti> ack
[08:44] <mzanetti> Saviq: can you update me on deadlines?
[08:45] <mzanetti> silo20, today EOD, right?
[08:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah
[08:59] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yes silo20 eod otday
[09:51] <tsdgeos> Saviq: damn the touch stuff daniel did seems not to be working the same :/
[09:52] <tsdgeos> we really need to get this qmluitests into the packaging :/
[10:37] <mzanetti> Mirv: I've updated my qsysteminfo branch. should build fine agains 5.4 now
[10:40] <mzanetti> Saviq: hmm... rtm silo20 turns the screen off when I try to take a screenshot
[10:41] <mzanetti> shouldn't there be a u-s-c branch too in there?
[10:43] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: it's not needed anymore with saviq's code
[10:44] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: how do you take a screenshot? note it's the two volume keys now
[10:44] <tsdgeos> just press them at the same time
[10:44] <mzanetti> not working here
[10:44] <mzanetti> takes a screenshot with power + voldown
[10:44] <mzanetti> but also turns the screen off
[10:44] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: well you should not be pressing power :D
[10:45] <mzanetti> then no screenshots here
[10:45] <tsdgeos> then rebuild the silo?
[10:45] <tsdgeos> which branches are there?
[10:45] <mzanetti> only unity8
[10:45] <mzanetti> ok, can try a rebuild... thought it would have been ready for testing (as per emails in my inbox)
[10:46] <tsdgeos> yeah looked like it
[10:47] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: but yeah look at https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/rtm-20150213/+merge/249680
[10:47] <tsdgeos> it has
[10:47] <tsdgeos>  } else if (event.key == Qt.Key_VolumeDown) {
[10:47] <tsdgeos> if (event.isAutoRepeat && !d.ignoreVolumeEvents) root.volumeDownTriggered();
[10:47] <tsdgeos>  else if (!event.isAutoRepeat) {
[10:47] <tsdgeos>  if (d.volumeUpKeyPressed) {
[10:47] <tsdgeos>  if (Powerd.status [10:47] <mzanetti> right... says that commit is 12 hours old
[10:48] <tsdgeos> so screenshot is triggered with down+up
[10:48] <mzanetti> and the last rebuild from silo is 12h too
[10:48] <mzanetti> so probably not in that build yet. building now
[10:59] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: think this is 5.4 related? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/197896968/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.ubuntu-system-settings_0.3%2B15.04.20150217-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:00] <tsdgeos> yes
[11:00] <tsdgeos> mirv had a patch that adds the missing include
[11:00] <tsdgeos> not sure if it has landed or not
[11:00] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ↑ ?
[11:07] <Mirv> mzanetti: ok. someone else I guess uploaded it to your silo last time, but do you want me to do it now?
[11:07] <mzanetti> Mirv: yes please
[11:07] <Mirv> mzanetti: tsdgeos: sorry, ubuntu-system-settings trunk now up-do-date. it was a patchwork of multiple branches.
[11:08] <mzanetti> ok. rebuilding systemsettings in silo0 then
[11:19] <tsdgeos> Mirv: we need to add to the "things to check when moving qt"
[11:19] <tsdgeos> run qmluitests in unity8
[11:20] <tsdgeos> i forgot and we have lots of broken tests regarding touch now :/
[11:21] <Mirv> tsdgeos: please add to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlans/Qt
[11:22] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I now added a new header "Checks to be done by certain upstreams" that could be useful
[11:23] <Mirv> (or have qmluitests part of AP:s or something..)
[11:23] <Mirv> mzanetti: new qtsystems building in 000 https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-000/+sourcepub/4783146/+listing-archive-extra
[11:24] <mzanetti> Mirv: thanks!
[11:24] <tsdgeos> Mirv: added a line
[11:24] <Mirv> tsdgeos: great!
[11:24] <tsdgeos> Mirv: the plan is having qmluitests as part of the regular make check, but until that happens let's have that line :D
[11:31] <Encrypt> Hello ther eo/
[11:31] <Encrypt> tedg, o/
[11:31] <Encrypt> I managed to have the count in the dock \o/
[11:31] <Encrypt> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19626172/dock_count.png
[11:33] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I didn't understand if I have to add maximumLineCount or not
[11:33] <Cimi> tsdgeos, do we care?
[11:33] <tsdgeos> Cimi: let's add it so others don't try to use \n again and complain when it breaks
[11:34] <Cimi> tsdgeos, ok, both attributes and subtitle?
[11:34] <Cimi> attributes has it already
[11:45] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: do you remember which bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1422689 is duplicate of?
[11:45] <mzanetti> MacSlow: is this wanted? http://i.imgur.com/cVnOPma.png
[11:45] <mzanetti> looks like a bug to me
[11:45] <MacSlow> mzanetti, certainly a bug
[11:45] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: what's wrong?
[11:46] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: the notification covers the panel
[11:46] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, the notification needs to respect the top-bar
[11:46] <tsdgeos> ah
[11:46] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: where's that? rtm?
[11:46] <MacSlow> mzanetti, how did you force this to happen?
[11:46] <mzanetti> so... silo 20 no good yet
[11:46] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you sure that's new?
[11:46] <mzanetti> well, it doesn't happen on my dogfooding phone
[11:47] <mzanetti> an reflash to check
[11:47] <mzanetti> can
[11:47] <MacSlow> mzanetti, this used to be a bug... very long ago
[11:47] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: so we want regular rtm, right? let me see
[11:47] <mzanetti> yeah
[11:48] <Cimi> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/fix-long-subtitle-card/+merge/249984
[11:48] <MacSlow> mzanetti, unless the panel-height isn't messed around with, this should not happen
[11:48] <tsdgeos> Cimi: ok
[11:49] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yeah seems to work here
[11:49] <mzanetti> probably some issue with cherry-picking
[11:49] <tsdgeos> yeah
[11:49] <mzanetti> iirc there was a change related to panelHeight in trunk which isn't in rtm ye
[11:49] <mzanetti> t
[11:49] <tsdgeos> cherry-picking of death
[11:51] <MacSlow> mzanetti, fyi... overall placement for notifications-listview happens in Shell.qml
[11:55] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: weird... I just reflashed rtm and seems I have the issue there too
[11:56] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[11:57] <tsdgeos> i was using image 234
[11:57] <tsdgeos> let me use 236
[11:58] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: well is on release or on autorepeat, is it really that bad?
[11:58] <tsdgeos> it felt ok to me
[11:58] <mzanetti> it's not *that* bad... but still not as good as direct feedback
[11:59] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1327419
[12:00] <pete-woods> I've marked the duplicate
[12:00] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: thanks :)
[12:05] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: 236 works fine here on krillin
[12:05] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: weeeird
[12:05] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: what do you do?
[12:06] <mzanetti> so afaict the topmostIsFullscreen property in Notifications is broken in trunk and in rtm
[12:06] <mzanetti> MacSlow|lunch: ^
[12:06] <Cimi> tsdgeos, need my help on anything?
[12:06] <mzanetti> still that doesn't explain the issue
[12:06] <mzanetti> must be something with panel.panelHeight
[12:06] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: but but it works for me :D
[12:06] <Cimi> tsdgeos, with this I am done, unless I start fixing the zoom with the image gallery preview
[12:07] <MacSlow|lunch> mzanetti, I'll look into it when I'm back from eating
[12:07] <tsdgeos> Cimi: i'm looking at some regressions we have due to 5.4 in touch, no other thing for you in my side
[12:07] <tsdgeos> Cimi: so if you have something else to fix, fix!
[12:09] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: which channel did you flash?
[12:09] <mzanetti> wat!
[12:09] <tsdgeos> ubuntu-device-flash  --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed
[12:09] <mzanetti> rebooted, it works now
[12:09] <mzanetti> without changing anything
[12:09] <tsdgeos> :S
[12:09]  * mzanetti installs silo20 again
[12:12] <mzanetti> ok... broken again
[12:14] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I have a feeling the SIM pin notification breaks it
[12:14] <tsdgeos> ah
[12:14] <tsdgeos> that may be
[12:14] <tsdgeos> i have no sim
[12:15] <tsdgeos> it'd be cool if you confirm it in plain rtm
[12:15] <tsdgeos> so we have a proper bug to fix :)
[12:15] <mzanetti> yep, on it
[12:17] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yep, confirmed... removing the sim fixes it. the one time it was working before was because I'm suffering from the bug where the Nexus4 sometimes won't pick up the sim card
[12:17] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: good, assign to MacSlow|lunch then :)
[12:17] <mzanetti> yep, I'll report
[12:20] <tsdgeos> darg
[12:20] <tsdgeos> so there's touch event compression now
[12:20] <tsdgeos> breaks all our tests
[12:20] <tsdgeos> question is if also breaks runtime or not
[12:21] <tsdgeos> seems it doesn't
[12:21] <tsdgeos> so let's force it for tests now only
[12:22]  * mzanetti is not exactly sure what tsdgeos is talking about :D
[12:22] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: we have lots of tests failing with Qt 5.4
[12:22] <tsdgeos> because QtQuick has introduced "touch event compression",
[12:22] <tsdgeos> i.e. basically adding up together move events
[12:22] <tsdgeos> but that breaks some of our tests
[12:22] <tsdgeos> that do: move, check, move, check,
[12:22] <mzanetti> does that mean it discards intermediate events?
[12:23] <tsdgeos> but real life DDAs and stuff work
[12:24] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yes and no
[12:24] <tsdgeos> basically delays it by 1
[12:24] <tsdgeos> so basically they are compressing events tha are exactly the same
[12:25] <tsdgeos> i guess they were getting repeated stationary touch events or something
[12:25] <mzanetti> mhm
[12:25] <mzanetti> you want to talk to daniel, he does some fancy gesture speed calculations that are probably affected
[12:26] <mzanetti> Saviq: when you have a minute, please ping me
[12:26] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: of course, that's why tests are failing
[12:28] <Mirv> mzanetti: qtubuntu also needs rebuild in 000
[12:28] <mzanetti> Mirv: ack, thanks
[12:29] <mzanetti> greyback_: fyi ^^
[12:29] <Mirv> greyback_: ^ too, since you're rebuilding qtmir atm
[12:29] <Mirv> :)
[12:38] <mzanetti> hmm... can't swipe away the volume notification :/
[12:41] <tsdgeos> not all notifucations are swipable
[13:04] <MacSlow> mzanetti, that's intentional
[13:04] <MacSlow> mzanetti, sync. notifications and expanded snap-decisions are not meant to be swipe-able
[13:05] <mzanetti> I can see how that makes sense for snap decisions, as they have buttons to get away with them
[13:05] <mzanetti> but volume up/down...
[13:06] <MacSlow> mzanetti, is the top-margin issue still valid?
[13:07] <mzanetti> MacSlow: yes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1422711
[13:14] <Saviq> mzanetti, pong
[13:14] <MacSlow> mzanetti, trying to reproduce it now
[13:14] <mzanetti> Saviq: hey
[13:15] <Saviq> mzanetti, volup+voldown for screenshot
[13:15] <Saviq> not power after all
[13:15] <mzanetti> yeah, saw that... feels odd
[13:15] <mzanetti> the onReleased to change volume
[13:15] <Saviq> mzanetti, why?
[13:15] <mzanetti> because it does :D you press and it doesn't change the volume
[13:15] <Saviq> mzanetti, it odes
[13:15] <mzanetti> onRelease only
[13:16] <Saviq> mzanetti, if you release straight away
[13:16] <Saviq> mzanetti, which is 99% of the use cases
[13:16] <mzanetti> yeah well... just my opinion
[13:16] <Saviq> mzanetti, and for long-press it works again
[13:16] <mzanetti> I wouldn't do it this way
[13:16] <Saviq> mzanetti, best of both worlds simply, otherwise you'd need to press power *before* vol
[13:16] <mzanetti> so?
[13:17] <mzanetti> anyways, if you all agree the onReleased is ok... works for me I guess...
[13:18] <mzanetti> just doesn't feel polished enough IMO
[13:18] <mzanetti> another thing is that volume notifcations can't be dismissed by swiping
[13:18] <mzanetti> which according to Mirco is the expected behavior. feels odd to me too
[13:19] <MacSlow> mzanetti, ok... reproduced... and got an idea what might be causing it.
[13:19] <Saviq> mzanetti, notifications are getting a redesign right now, so don't worry there
[13:19] <mzanetti> mhm, ok
[13:19] <Saviq> mzanetti, if you have better ideas for the screenshot, I'm all ears,
[13:20] <Saviq> but requiring power first, then volume, sounds not user friendly, especially on arale, where you have power on top and volume on side
[13:20] <mzanetti> thing is, you have to look it up anyways how to take screenshots as it's kinda a hidden feature, and very few people will use it.
[13:21] <mzanetti> but the volume buttons reacting too late affects everyone
[13:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, I'm just fixing a bug now, really, there's no design for this
[13:21] <mzanetti> ack
[13:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, we can file a bug for ubuntu-ux to actually test a few possibilities
[13:21] <MacSlow> Saviq, mzanetti: how about combined swipe-guestures instead of hw-buttons?
[13:21] <mzanetti> as I said... just my 2 cents... you asked me to test, here's my opinion
[13:22] <MacSlow> Saviq, mzanetti: it would also avoid the always present volume notification on resulting screenshots
[13:22] <Saviq> MacSlow, that's what my branch fixes
[13:22] <mzanetti> MacSlow: you're not up to date :)
[13:23] <MacSlow> mzanetti, well I'm in AP-land atm
[13:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, I just checked with android, they do it power+home (at least old, + samsung), new one is supposed to be power + voldown,
[13:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, and holding for 2s
[13:28] <mzanetti> Saviq: I personally really don't mind how to take screenshots, as long as it doesn't impact other behavior (e.g. no delay of other actions - be it a timer or onReleased)
[13:28] <Saviq> in any case, I really don't think the onReleased change is so detrimental to the UX, you know because you know, 99% of other people won't even notice
[13:33] <mzanetti> it just adds a feeling of slowness
[13:33] <mzanetti> so they won't understand what's happening, but they'll say "the iphone reacts faster to input"
[13:33] <mzanetti> as an example
[13:35] <mzanetti> anyways
[13:35] <mzanetti> it works
[13:35] <mzanetti> gonna run AP now on the silo
[13:35] <mzanetti> looks ok otherwise
[13:39] <mzanetti> greyback_: are you already on it to fix qtubuntu?
[13:39] <greyback_> mzanetti: yeah
[13:39] <mzanetti> ack
[13:39] <mzanetti> thanks
[13:40] <MacSlow> mzanetti, I have a working fix for LP: #1422711, just need to figure out a good way to test it... qml-wise
[13:43] <paulliu> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity8/lp1350891_ScrollBackground/+merge/249989
[13:43] <paulliu> Saviq: I'm wondering if this changes are ok.
[13:44] <Saviq> paulliu, from a quick look - where's the DashBackground we had previously?
[13:44] <Saviq> paulliu, but you'll need someone else to review
[13:46] <paulliu> Saviq: previously I put the DashBackground alongside the ScopeListView. And scroll it by contentY.
[13:46] <paulliu> Saviq: But the things is tryGenericScopeView works. The background scrolls.
[13:47] <Saviq> paulliu, yeah, but what I mean is don't we already have a DashBackground, and if we do, why can't I see it being removed?
[13:47] <Saviq> in the diff I mean
[13:47] <paulliu> Saviq: got it.
[13:47] <paulliu> Saviq: Let me remove it.
[15:34] <mterry> tsdgeos, why don't we run the qmluitests during build anyway?
[15:53] <tsdgeos> mterry: saviq was working on it
[15:53] <tsdgeos> mterry: don't remember the exact problems he had
[15:53] <tsdgeos> let me try to dig the review
[15:53] <greyback_> suspect an xserver of some kind needed
[15:53] <greyback_> plus maybe a mock dbus server
[15:54] <tsdgeos> sure, both are needed
[15:54] <tsdgeos> but both are things we have already
[15:55] <tsdgeos> mterry: can't find the MR now, maybe he discarded it
[15:55] <mterry> fair
[16:10] <Saviq> tsdgeos, mterry, yeah, I still have it in the pipeline, not sure they will run during build (waste of builders time), but definitely in DEP8
[16:11] <mterry> Saviq, DEP8 would be great
[16:12] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, that's prio
[16:32] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, hey, is your unity8 desktop session on vivid still working? mine freezes on the greeter
[16:32] <seb128> willcooke, ^
[16:33] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Mine is working and I just updated the machine a couple of hours ago.
[16:33] <seb128> :-(
[16:34] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Which greeter is it freezing on? (Unity 8 or the one w/ LightDM)
[16:36] <seb128> unity8 in session
[16:36] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Hmm, any clues in ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log?
[16:36] <seb128> let me see
[16:43] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, nothing useful I can see, complaining about loading the battery 100 charged icon, but I doubt it's it
[16:44] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Hmm, strange.  Since you're in U8, I doubt anything useful will be in /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log either, but it may be worth checking.
[16:48] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, tried with another user, my log is spammed with "Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/battery-100", I wonder if that's the issue
[16:48] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Hmm, it might be.  I'll look to see if I get that error in my log as well.
[16:49] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, of course my batter is fully charged to get that error I guess
[16:49] <seb128> on thread is blick in QPixmap code
[16:50] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: I have a fully charged battery as well, but I don't see that error.
[16:50] <seb128> :-(
[16:53] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Maybe find the package that the battery-100 image is in a force the package to be reinstalled?  Just a thought...
[16:53] <josharenson> mardy: was told to ask you about ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts. It builds/installs, but trunk can't get a trusted prompt session (returns null). However when I build rtm branch, it works fine...
[16:53] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, I prefer not, the shell shouldn't freeze on a missing icon
[16:54] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, so that's still worth a bug report imho
[16:54] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: True and I agree, it sounds like a bug.  It will definitely prove it's a bug if you replace the missing icon and it all works.
[16:56] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, getting a bt of the hand first :p
[16:56] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Yep
[16:57] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10276002/
[16:57] <seb128> getting debug symbols
[17:00] <seb128> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10276060/
[17:00] <seb128> Saviq, others, ^ is that a known issue? currently untiy8 desktop hangs on start for me
[17:00] <seb128> on vivid
[17:01] <seb128> log has "Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/battery-100" warnings and the bt suggests it's stucked in some image loader
[17:01] <seb128> could be a qt5.4 fallout
[17:07] <kgunn> not sure that'd even be unity8 necessarily
[17:09] <kgunn> but i see what you mean... you wouldn't want unity8 to hang b/c of it
[17:09] <greyback_> seb128: is it hanging, or using 100% cpu?
[17:09] <greyback_> that bt is familiar to me
[17:09] <seb128> greyback_, cpu
[17:09] <greyback_> yeah
[17:09] <seb128> which leads to hang
[17:10] <seb128> well, the UI isn't redrawing
[17:10] <seb128> it's stucked
[17:10] <greyback_> seb128: is dbus very busy?
[17:10] <greyback_> my theory was that the battery status dbus message is firing incredibly fast, causing qt to redraw the battery icon continually
[17:11] <greyback_> completely blocking everything else
[17:11] <seb128> greyback_, did you open a bug about that?
[17:12] <greyback_> seb128: no as I only occasionally discovered this happening
[17:12] <kgunn> seb128: there is this one
[17:12] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1417773
[17:13] <kgunn> which got debugged down to 3 distinct probs....1 of which was dbus
[17:13] <seb128> kgunn, doesn't seem the same one
[17:14] <kgunn> seb128: right...i would suppose gerry's theory would eventually recover ?
[17:14] <greyback_> I never saw it recover
[17:14] <seb128> it doesn't recover
[17:14] <kgunn> so busy forever ?
[17:14] <seb128> greyback_, dbus doesn't seem especially busy
[17:14] <seb128> kgunn, seems so
[17:14] <greyback_> somehow yeah
[17:14] <seb128> and at every login now on that box
[17:14] <greyback_> seb128: ok, there goes that theory
[17:14] <seb128> I can't logging anymore
[17:14] <seb128> tried 10 times with different users as well
[17:15] <kgunn> seb128: when did this occur ? like do you know if it worked on Friday...but broke between then and now ?
[17:15] <seb128> greyback_, the unity8 log suggests it fails to find the icon
[17:15] <greyback_> seb128: if you're in gdb, could you get the icon string or filename from around frame 4? Might give us a clue
[17:16] <seb128> greyback_, log has "Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/battery-100"
[17:16] <greyback_> seb128: sure, but the BT indicates it's doing a pixmap fill
[17:16] <greyback_> as if it's reading an image
[17:16]  * greyback_ not sure
[17:17] <seb128> greyback_, new bt seems a bit different, see bottom of http://paste.ubuntu.com/10276267/
[17:19] <greyback_> seb128: that's blocked on a dbus call
[17:19] <seb128> greyback_, how do I print the content of a QString in gdb?
[17:21] <greyback_> seb128: you need a pretty printer:http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10276312/
[17:21] <greyback_> will add "printqstring" should shoud do the job
[17:22] <greyback_> I never got this working: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10492290/gdb-pretty-printers-for-qt5
[17:27] <seb128> greyback_, that gives me a "There is no member or method named len" :-/
[17:28] <seb128> when trying to printqstring filename
[17:29] <greyback_> pah
[17:30] <greyback_> dumb script
[17:30] <seb128> :-/
[17:30] <greyback_> if filename hasn't been optimized out, it should be readable
[17:31] <greyback_> my apologies but I have to go for a couple of hours
[17:32] <seb128> greyback_, no worry, if you/somebody else is interested in debug more later, let me know
[17:32] <seb128> meanwhile that box is a brick to me...
[17:32] <greyback_> will be in touch when I get back
[17:32] <seb128> I'm probably going to be off for the day when you go back
[17:32] <seb128> but feel free to ping me tomorrow
[17:33] <greyback_> ok
[17:50] <seb128> greyback_, filename = /usr/share/icons/sure/status/scalable/battery-100.svg
[17:51] <seb128> greyback_, /usr/share/icons/suru/status/scalable/battery-100.svg
[17:51] <seb128> rather
[17:59] <seb128> greyback_, opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1422835


[12:24] <bregma> anyone know if there is an OnlyShowIn clause for .desktop files that will only show in Unity 8 and not Unity 7?


[09:32] <JamesTait> Happy Hallowe'en! >:-D
[09:32] <rye_> JamesTait: and morning to you too!
[09:34] <JamesTait> rye_: Good weekend?
[09:35] <rye_> JamesTait: yep, guests, and Windows. And weird Ubuntu One bugs in Windows :)
[09:36] <JamesTait> rye_: I love the smell of frustration on a Monday morning. :-P
[09:37] <rye_> JamesTait: well, suddenly Ubuntu One found "My Pictures", "My Videos" in Documents folder, created them on the online storage, upon restart it ends up in infinite loop in local rescan by faililng to scan these directories which do not exist
[09:38] <rye_> So I am really frustrated
[09:38] <JamesTait> rye_: Interesting. So what are they then, virtual directories or something?
[09:39] <rye_> JamesTait: nothing, bug #883926
[09:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 883926 in ubuntuone-client "[windows] Adding watch to nonexistent directory (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/883926
[09:41] <JamesTait> rye_: Nice tags on that bug. ;)
[09:42] <rye_> JamesTait: the u1-zomg-windows is being added by nessita to the bugs, so I guess they are tracking them
[09:44] <rye_> Also, a good thing to do before doing such jumps is to actually copy the SSH keys over to some external location. Now I need to swap the hard drives to get them
[10:04] <gatox> hi
[10:04] <rye_> mornings, gatox
[10:04] <gatox> rye, hi!
[12:05] <gatox> brb!!
[12:16] <alecu> hello!
[12:17] <gatox> alecu, hi
[12:26] <mandel> gatox, ping
[12:26] <gatox> mandel, pong
[12:27] <mandel> gatox, morning!
[12:27] <gatox> mandel, morning! how are you?
[12:27] <mandel> gatox, so, I just wanted to let you know that I'll be starting work a little later :)
[12:27] <gatox> mandel, ahhhhh okok.... so me too :P
[12:27] <mandel> gatox, 'cause I'mworking with alecu and dont want to make hime wake up to early :P
[12:28] <gatox> mandel, ack!
[12:29]  * mandel errands
[13:10] <mandel> gatox, does tarmac work?
[13:15] <gatox> mandel, no idea
[13:15] <mandel> gatox, I have a branch that has been accepted and not merged..
[13:16] <gatox> mandel, i didn't try to merge anything today yet....
[13:17] <dobey> mandel: url?
[13:17] <mandel> dobey, https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-tests/+merge/80587
[13:18] <dobey> hmm
[13:20] <dobey> mandel: i think it's down
[13:21] <mandel> dobey, ok, no worries, I just wanted to know :)
[13:22] <mandel> dobey, how is the keynote going?
[13:22] <mandel> dobey, I've been told we have been mentioned :P
[13:23] <dobey> mandel: yeah, u1 was mentioned a few times
[13:24] <mandel> \o/
[13:28] <gatox> mandel, alecu dobey standup in 2'?
[13:29] <dobey> no
[13:30] <mandel> gatox, should it me in an hour?
[13:30] <dobey> you guys can
[13:30] <mandel> dobey, true, uds for you
[13:30] <gatox> mandel, nok by me
[13:30] <gatox> ok
[13:30] <rye> mandel, poke
[13:30] <rye> mandel, bug #883926
[13:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 883926 in ubuntuone-client "[windows] Adding watch to nonexistent directory (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/883926
[13:30] <rye> me is a bit puzzled
[13:31] <mandel> rye, uh, nice title.. let me see
[13:32] <mandel> rye, ok, which version of the installer is that?
[13:32] <mandel> rye, sorry of the port
[13:32] <rye> mandel, current latest
[13:32] <rye> mandel, installed this saturday
[13:32]  * mandel thinks we should also provide the rev number of the client rather than a random number..
[13:33] <mandel> rye, hm.. funny, 'cause those logs look that they do not folow the new logging, let me check
[13:33] <dobey> mandel: eh?
[13:33] <dobey> mandel: what do you mean about revno?
[13:34] <rye> mandel, i don't have the logs at the point when it noticed these phantom directories, since the local rescan logs pushed these out, in order to get more info I would need to reboot into windows, as this is a real world installation
[13:34] <mandel> dobey, the windows client has a version, but has nothing to do to with the revno of the source code. When we have an issue there is not way to know in which revno we released the installer
[13:35] <mandel> dobey, we don't even have a spreadsheet that maps revno and releases.. and is a PITA and really bad practice
[13:35] <dobey> mandel: tag your releases!
[13:35] <mandel> dobey, we should, but our release process at the moment is crap, is from a branch from ralsina that has not yet been merge to the lp:ubuntone-windows-installer
[13:36] <dobey> mandel: but the alignment of windows/linux releases will help with that
[13:36] <mandel> dobey, hopefully it will
[13:36] <dobey> mandel: if it's not merged, it hasn't got a revno
[13:36] <dobey> :)
[13:37] <mandel> dobey, that would be for the installer, but the u1-client does :)
[13:38] <mandel> dobey, anyway, we are doing a shit job with the windows releases
[13:38] <dobey> mandel: and we will fix it
[13:38] <mandel> rye, I'd need more info from the start of sd to see why is thinking those paths exist..
[13:39] <mandel> rye, can you add that to the bug report? I need to go for lunch now :)
[13:39] <rye> mandel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/883926/comments/2 ?
[13:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 883926 in ubuntuone-client "[windows] Adding watch to nonexistent directory (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:41] <mandel> rye, ok, I think that bug is fixed and it was related to a bad implementation of a method on the windows file system watcher, look here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-client/trunk/view/head:/ubuntuone/platform/windows/filesystem_notifications.py
[13:41] <mandel> rye, the logging in your machine does not match with the one present in trunk
[13:41] <rye> mandel, it is the latest available .exe from the web site, so this version is in the wild
[13:42] <rye> mandel, so, if that is fixed in trunk, it will still take some time to reach people. What I am worried is whether the next version will work properly with the data collected by broken one
[13:42] <mandel> rye, we shoould be making a release with the fixes this week that wills solve it
[13:42] <rye> mandel, currently the sync is infinite loop for some reason
[13:43] <rye> in local rescan i mean
[13:43] <mandel> rye, hm.. can you give me 30 min for lunch and we look into it?
[13:44] <rye> mandel, sure!
[13:45] <mandel> rye, ok, I'll ping you when Im back :)
[14:01] <rye> joshuahoover, bug #745540  - this is something wrong with keyring, not Ubuntu One. We are displaying the wrong bug
[14:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 745540 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "Method "CreateItem" with signature "a{sv}(oayay)b" on interface "org.freedesktop.Secret.Collection" doesn't exist (affects: 63) (dups: 2) (heat: 316)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745540
[14:01] <rye> i.e. we are not checking the exception and cause another one
[14:02] <joshuahoover> rye: do we know what the cause is? because i can't get any users impacted by it past it
[14:02] <dobey> oh fun
[14:03] <dobey> rye: are you sure?
[14:04] <rye> dobey, we switch to this old signature on ANY error from dbus, and cause the users to be notified about the signature error
[14:05] <dobey> hmm
[14:08] <joshuahoover> rye: sounds like maybe we need to file a new bug for this?
[14:08] <rye> i just can't get it to fail to get the details of the error to trap it correctly
[14:10] <rye> or can i...
[14:10] <rye> let me break my keyring
[14:14] <mandel> rye, ping
[14:17] <rye> mandel, pong
[14:19] <mandel> rye, so, getting back to the issue, I think the best thing would be to do an IRL tests with your account and trunk and see what happens, but I believe there should be no problems
[14:19] <mandel> rye, also, does the shell show that you have a My Music library?
[14:19] <mandel> no cmd, but the shell (explorer)
[14:19] <rye> mandel, yes, i do, on a level upper than My Documents
[14:20] <rye> which is also a view
[14:20] <rye> joshuahoover, do users describe that Ubuntu One control panel simply grays out after they click that they have an account?
[14:21] <mandel> rye, hm..  I hope python is not THAT broken on windows 7
[14:22] <joshuahoover> rye: i've had one user mention that, yes
[14:22] <rye> joshuahoover, I managed to get this now
[14:22] <rye> joshuahoover, I dismissed the keyring prompt after I moved my login keyring to another name
[14:22] <rye> mandel, so, I had a real UDF folder called "Documents". I installed Ubuntu One on Windows, added it to my real world account.  The files in Ubuntu One syncded perfectly
[14:23] <rye> mandel, I wanted to test UDF so I subscribed to Documents UDF in control panel. It asked whether I'd like to merge the files, so I did that.
[14:24] <rye> mandel, the directory at that time contained one text file and one directory, nothing was syncing that dir
[14:25] <rye> mandel, the UDF started populating with files locally, as expected. I waited until it finshes syncing and was pleased with the performance.
[14:25] <mandel> rye,  and then the My Music was left out?
[14:26] <mandel> rye, 'cause the issue is that we try to add a watch yo my music and then it creates it in the cloud, right?
[14:26] <rye> mandel, then I decided to put a bunch of files to \Ubuntu One folder. It claimed that it got all files, but due to the bug with I/O on closed files I had to shut down syncdaemon and control panel and start it again
[14:26] <rye> mandel, after that SD went into infinite loop
[14:27] <rye> mandel, there were no "My Documents", "My Videos" or "My Pictures" directories or views in ~/Documents folder at any time during this
[14:27] <rye> mandel, yet, SD managed to create the folders online, and now it iterates over them, failing, and iterating again in local rescan.
[14:28] <rye> mandel, so there are 2 bugs as facundo noticed - one - the folder was added which does not exist
[14:28] <rye> mandel, 2nd - local rescan breaks when it adds a watch on the folder tha does not exist with "Permission Denied"
[14:30] <mandel> rye, ok, the permission denied is because the windows api is plain stupid and returns that instead of file not found.. so that should be a simple fix, the second one is more complicated, I fear that at some point a shell function is used to get the dirs and returns library (which are not real paths)
[14:30] <mandel> rye, lets go step by step, can ou create a bug for the first one, and we will talk with nessita about how should fix it (but I'm sure is me :P )
[14:31] <nessita> mandel: not necessarily :-)
[14:31] <mandel> rye, we create a second bug for the library issue and we talk with nessita again, mainly for the resources allocation, that is all
[14:31] <mandel> nessita, hehe
[14:31] <nessita> mandel, rye: with UDS going on this week, expect some delay on bug fixing. alecu and mandel need to move on on the proxy support feature if we want to make it in time for feature freeze
[14:32] <nessita> rye: but yes, bug reports and pinging next week is the best way to proceed :-)
[14:32] <rye> nessita, well, I will not survive for that long in Windows
[14:33] <nessita> rye: why not?
[14:33] <rye> nessita, it is scary over there
[14:33] <rye> nessita, and I had no SSH keys with me
[14:33] <mandel> rye, there is a fix for the is_path_dir method which should aboid the issue nevertheless
[14:34] <mandel> rye,  we should test that before we report anything since it has already landed in trunk
[14:34] <rye> nessita, i'd like to reproduce the bugs but I haven't deployed the python environment yet
[14:34] <nessita> rye: right... is not so hard, the wiki page is pretty accurate
[14:35] <nessita> mandel: that fix is in trunk already isn't?
[14:36] <mandel> nessita, yes it is, so I think we should first test that that does not work as expected
[14:36] <rye> mandel, well, I will grab all the keys I need and will swap the hard drives (poor-man bootloader switch)...
[14:39] <alecu> joshuahoover, regarding bug #745540
[14:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 745540 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "Method "CreateItem" with signature "a{sv}(oayay)b" on interface "org.freedesktop.Secret.Collection" doesn't exist (affects: 63) (dups: 2) (heat: 316)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745540
[14:41] <alecu> joshuahoover, you mention trying numerous configurations. Have you tried setting the user to be the one that's used in autologin?
[14:41] <alecu> joshuahoover, probably setting it during configuration may make a difference too.
[14:41] <joshuahoover> alecu: that is one i have not tried yet...though it sounds like rye thinks we're showing that error incorrectly
[14:42] <alecu> joshuahoover, oh, ok.
[14:43] <nessita> alecu: hi there! ralsina hasn't come yet, so as soon as he gets here, I will try to setup a proxy meeting time
[14:43] <nessita> alecu: were you able to build the poll?
[14:44] <nessita> do we have any stat from that?
[14:45]  * joshuahoover funny that proxy should be mentioned...just replied to a support request for a user behind a proxy server
[14:45] <alecu> nessita, no, I didn't do any poll. I was planning on doing it today
[14:46] <alecu> joshuahoover, do you have any specific details on the users requesting proxy support?
[14:46] <alecu> joshuahoover, like proxy types or something?
[14:46] <joshuahoover> alecu: most have no idea
[14:46] <nessita> alecu: ack, please make that your priority so we can have the feedback as soon as possible, so we can plan the work for you and mandel to "start"
[14:46] <joshuahoover> alecu: they're just behind "a proxy" that their company, university, etc. have
[14:47] <nessita> gatox: any ETA on having https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/tests-broken/+merge/80596 fixed?
[14:47] <nessita> gatox: that may block the rest of your ussoc branches since it fixes the tets suite :-)
[14:48] <gatox> nessita, mandel is helping me with an issue that i'm having with 2 tests suites, that are making twisted fail in an assert
[14:48] <alecu> joshuahoover, right. I guess most users would not know what type of proxy they are using; but perhaps they might be able to tell if it's a Microsoft Proxy or something else?
[14:48] <nessita> gatox: which test suite?
[14:48] <mandel> nessita, I think I know th fix, will try it in a sec :)
[14:49] <nessita> gatox: the error "SyntaxError: 'return' with argument inside generator" involves just changing the return for a yield, is that blocking you?
[14:49] <gatox> nessita, CredentialsManagementTestCase and SSOLoginTestCase, the previous tearDown has a return, and now with the yield i changed the return to defer.returnValue
[14:49] <nessita> gatox: show me the trace, please
[14:49] <joshuahoover> alecu: i'm asking those users now as they come up to see if we can get more info on that
[14:50] <gatox> nessita, http://paste.ubuntu.com/724414/
[14:50] <alecu> joshuahoover, I was planning on making a small survey to ask info about that...
[14:51] <nessita> gatox: and what did you change to have that error?
[14:51] <alecu> joshuahoover, can I send you the link in a few minutes, and you can tell me if it's too complex?
[14:51] <joshuahoover> alecu: that would be good to, duanedesign could post that to our facebook page and twitter account
[14:51] <joshuahoover> alecu: sure
[14:51] <alecu> joshuahoover, great, thanks.
[14:52] <webm0nk3y> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-u1-couchdb-sync
[14:52] <nessita> gatox: seems like you're returning the defer as a defer result instead of yielding in it
[14:53] <nessita> gatox: confirmed, you probably changed:
[14:53] <nessita>     577         return defer.gatherResults([self._tearDownServer(),
[14:53] <nessita>     578                                     self._tearDownClient()])
[14:53] <nessita> with defer.returnValue, and that is worng
[14:53] <nessita> wrong*
[14:53] <gatox> nessita, yes, that's that  mandel told me
[14:53] <nessita> mandel: that is wrong! :-)
[14:54] <nessita> gatox: but I need you to think this a little bit :-) returning a deferred is the same as yielding on the defer within inlineCallbacks
[14:54] <gatox> nessita, no, mandel told me to add the: gatherResults
[14:54] <nessita> gatox: nopes, just change the return by yield
[14:54] <mandel> ein? what did I say?
[14:54] <nessita> so, the final line of that tearDown should be:
[14:55] <mandel> gatox, nessita I don't recall saying using the gather resuls.. :P
[14:55] <nessita>     577         yield defer.gatherResults([self._tearDownServer(),
[14:55] <nessita>     578                                     self._tearDownClient()])
[14:55] <mandel> I said this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/724415/
[14:55] <gatox> mandel, maybe i got confuse
[14:56] <mandel> gatox, hehe no worries :)
[14:56] <nessita> gatox: the solution that mandel is showing is the correct one
[14:56] <nessita> mandel: sorry for boofing before
[14:57] <gatox> mandel, yes, that do the trick
[14:57] <gatox> THANKS
[14:57] <mandel> nessita, I was more worried about looking bad infront of you that anything else ;)
[14:57] <mandel> gatox, cool, I'm glad it worked :)
[15:01] <nessita> mandel: for a monet I got really scared that you were saying the wrong stuff :-)
[15:01] <nessita> moment*
[15:01] <mandel> nessita, there was a problem with the communication, that is all :)
[15:01] <gatox> nessita, no, was my bad, trying to explain what mandel was telling me
[15:01] <nessita> gatox: do you understand why defer.returnValue was worong and why yield works?
[15:02] <gatox> nessita, yes, mandel explains me and show me the doc
[15:02] <mandel> and the source code :)
[15:03] <gatox> yes, the source code actually :P
[15:07] <nessita> gatox: I think is very important that you see the difference, is key to understanding deferreds, and tetsing with
[15:07] <nessita> deferreds
[15:07] <gatox> nessita, yes, it's more clear now
[15:08] <nessita> gatox: great! I'm happy to explain more next week
[15:08] <gatox> nessita, are you going to be here next week?
[15:08] <nessita> gatox: yes! we can get together and do some IRL catchup
[15:09] <gatox> nessita, yes, i was thinking about that..... and do a "ping pong de preguntas y respuestas" :P to understand better some things
[15:09] <nessita> gatox: sure
[15:09] <nessita> gatox: wednesday may be a good day
[15:09] <nessita> gatox: or thrusday
[15:10] <gatox> nessita, no problem for me
[15:16] <nessita> ok, going offline for a while
[16:12]  * mandel needs coffee to think
[16:35] <nessita> alecu: GREAT work on the survey, thanks! loks really good and clear
[16:38] <alecu> nessita, we went live a few minutes ago when duanedesign posted the link on twitter, and we already have almost 40 respondents
[16:38] <nessita> alecu: that's great! :-)
[16:38] <nessita> alecu: I'm looking forward to see the summaries  (I guess we need to wait at least until tomorrow)
[16:44] <nessita> ok, heading for lunch soon, going offline
[17:43] <gatox> alecu, ping
[17:43] <alecu> gatox, pong
[17:45] <gatox> alecu, i'm having an issue with a dirty reactor..... we were looking at the code with mandel, but we are pretty stuck
[17:45] <gatox> alecu, mandel suggestions help me to fix some of them, but i still have 1 dirty reactor error
[17:45] <alecu> tell me!
[17:47] <gatox> alecu, i'm working in a branch that fix the tests after the change in dev-tools, i added "yield" to the tearDown of CredentialsManagementTestCase and SSOLoginTestCase..... but those methods had a return, so we change that to gatherResults, and the errors with the dirty reactor appear
[17:48] <gatox> this is the trace i'm having now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/724537/
[17:48] <gatox> and this is the branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/tests-broken/+merge/80596
[18:31] <gatox> alecu, everytime that i execute the test i have different failures :S}
[18:33] <alecu> gatox, ugly!
[18:35] <gatox> alecu, too much
[18:36] <nessita> gatox, alecu: can I help?
[18:37] <gatox> nessita, i'm testing different possibilities to check what's going on... but it's kind of tricky
[18:38] <nessita> gatox: can I have a little more context? is this windows? the unicode issue? are you writing tests or still testing IRL?
[18:39] <gatox> nessita, no, this is the branch that fix sso tests
[18:39] <gatox> nessita, and the error is only in windwos
[18:39] <nessita> gatox: still failing? have a race I can look at?
[18:39] <nessita> trace*
[18:40] <gatox> nessita, yes, let me give you
[18:41] <gatox> that
[18:42] <nessita> gatox: that?
[18:43] <gatox> the trace
[18:43] <gatox> nessita, i'm running the test again
[18:43] <nessita> ah
[18:44] <gatox> nessita, http://paste.ubuntu.com/724593/
[18:45] <alecu> gatox, I got no errors on oneiric, even after enabling and updating nightlies
[18:45] <nessita> alecu: that's windows code... the one that has the "dummy" factory in it
[18:45] <gatox> alecu, running the sso tests?
[18:45] <alecu> (I found out that I was missing the nightlies when lint started throwing import errors for ubuntuone-dev-tools)
[18:46] <alecu> gatox, ./run-tests
[18:46] <nessita> gatox: is the branch updates in LP? I can branch and see
[18:46] <nessita> updated*
[18:46] <gatox> nessita, yes, it has some commented lines, i didn't clean it yet
[18:46] <nessita> ack
[18:48] <nessita> gatox: did you try just changing the minimal stuff?
[18:48] <nessita> gatox: I see a lot more code than expected
[18:49] <gatox> nessita, that branch contains the fix for all the tests, now only credentialsManagementTestCase and SSoLoginTestCase are failing
[18:49] <alecu> gatox, both "run-tests" and "run-test -qt" work fine on my fully-updated oneiric
[18:49] <nessita> gatox: yes, did you try adding the minimal fix to main/tests/test_windows.py?
[18:50] <nessita> gatox: on top of the other fixes
[18:50] <gatox> nessita, sorry..... what do you mean with "the minimal fix"?
[18:51] <nessita> gatox: well, in the branch you have much more that the minimal. You have some addCleanups, and some commented out code
[18:53] <gatox> nessita, yes the cleanup it's because, some cleaning was made in the tearDown, and that cause other failures.... i'll clean that code and look where to locate the cleaning code...
[18:53] <nessita> gatox: the addCleanup is not needed... as far as I can see
[18:54] <nessita> gatox: I have a diff that is working, let me pushit
[18:55] <gatox> nessita, the cleanup was to do the same that the tearDown was executing, but without executing that in the tearDown because that was presenting somme oother twisted issues
[18:55] <nessita> gatox: I guess you had some other issue
[18:55] <gatox> nessita, probably...
[18:55] <nessita> gatox: the tearDown as it was originally should stay the same, adding yields properly
[18:55] <nessita> gatox: this is all green for me on windows: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/review_tests-broken
[18:56]  * gatox checking...
[18:56] <gatox> the tearDown with yield as we talk earlier was not working for mme and mandel
[18:56] <gatox> i'll try that
[19:01] <nessita> gatox: try the branch I emailed you
[19:01] <nessita> gatox: if it fails, change nothing and show me the trace
[19:01] <gatox> nessita, ok
[19:01] <gatox> i was trying the one you told me here.....
[19:01] <gatox> but fails
[19:01] <gatox> let me branch
[19:03] <gatox> nessita, where did you send it??
[19:03] <nessita> (02:55:49 PM) nessita: gatox: this is all green for me on windows: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/review_tests-broken
[19:03] <nessita> gatox: ^C
[19:04] <nessita> gatox: ^
[19:04] <gatox> ahhhh...... that one..... i thought you send  me another one to my e-mail
[19:06] <gatox> nessita, no, is not working..... maybe something is wrong here..... i'll show you the paste
[19:06] <nessita> gatox: ack
[19:07] <gatox> nessita, and now it work...... AHHHH..... every time i run the tests i have: PASSED, or different numbers of failures
[19:07] <nessita> gatox: well, make it fail once, and show me the trace
[19:09] <nessita> gatox: I need to go offline for a minutes
[19:24] <nessita> gatox: ok, shoot
[19:26] <gatox> nessita, http://paste.ubuntu.com/724619/
[19:26] <gatox> nessita, i'm running them again.. to see what happend
[19:26] <nessita> gatox: are you 100% sure you're running my branch, with ni changes?
[19:26] <nessita> no*
[19:27] <gatox> nessita, yes, i just branch it when you tell me
[19:28] <gatox> nessita,  i think that there is some timing issue.... i run the test again, and now i'm getting failures in tcpactivation only
[19:29] <nessita> gatox: what do you mean "tcpactivation' only?
[19:30] <gatox> nessita, that now, CredentialsManagementTestCase and SSoLoginTestCase seems to be fine, and tcpactivaction is failing... but in the paste that i gave you before, tcpactivation was fine, and Cred y SsoLogin were failing....
[19:31] <nessita> gatox: what is "tcpactivaction is failing"? what kind of error you have?
[19:31] <gatox> nessita, and now i run it again, and show me 11 errors instead of 2..... the errors are always reactor unclean
[19:35] <gatox> nessita, are the tests working for you in windows always?? did you try to execute them several times to see if they fail?
[19:35] <nessita> gatox: yes, no failure
[19:35] <nessita> gatox: may be faster hardware in my case
[19:36] <gatox> nessita, probably... my machine is quite slow at this moment....
[19:36] <gatox> (in the process of buying something new...)
[19:37] <gatox> nessita, now all the tests pass :P
[19:37] <gatox> without any change
[19:39] <nessita> gatox: so, stop working on this, and keep going with the unicode issue
[19:39] <nessita> gatox: I'll debug when  have a moment
[19:39] <nessita> gatox: there are also some nasty code duplication that we should fix
[19:39] <gatox> nessita, ok...
[19:39] <nessita> gatox: so I'll propose a branch basing my work in yous
[19:40] <gatox> nessita, let me know if i can help in anything..... at least testing it in this hardware
[19:40] <nessita> gatox: sure! thanks
[19:41] <gatox> nessita, thank you
[19:41] <gatox> nessita, i'll go back to unicode issues now
[19:41] <nessita> ye,s good luck!
[19:47] <gatox> brb..... i'll take a little break


[11:26] <xubuntu86w> Hi I have downloaded xubuntu-18.10-desktop-amd64.iso and installed on VirtualBox 5.2.22 on Windows, after boot I see garbled display as described in https://superuser.com/questions/1295202/garbled-display-when-running-lubuntu-17-10-as-guest-os
[11:26] <Cybertinus> xubuntu86w: try disabling 3D accelaration in your VM settings
[11:26] <xubuntu86w> it is not enabled
[11:27] <xubuntu86w> if I download and install xubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso everything is fine
[11:27] <Cybertinus> ok, then that's not it :)
[11:27] <xubuntu86w> so it looks like the problem is introduced with 18.10
[11:27] <Cybertinus> do you have the guest additions installed, or weren't you able to do that because you get this screen right away?
[11:29] <xubuntu86w> there is a workaround : Press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to switch to text terminal and then Ctrl-Alt-F7 to switch back to GUI
[11:29] <xubuntu86w> no I do not have guest additions
[11:30] <Cybertinus> the two tips specified in the topic you just link don't help too, I assume?
[11:30] <Cybertinus> well, try installing the guest additions
[11:30] <xubuntu86w> let me check
[11:32] <Cybertinus> I have to go afk now, be back in an hour or so, I think
[11:33] <xubuntu86w> ok I will report my experiments with the hints hereafter
[11:38] <xubuntu86w> only setting video memory to 128MB has no effect
[11:47] <xubuntu86w> disabling nested paging (system -> acceleration -> enable nested paging checkbox) AND increasing the video memory to 128 mb (display -> video memory slider) : in this case for 1 second the screen is displayed correctly then it becomes garbled
[12:06] <Unit193> Typically when I've seen that, flipping to a TTY and restarting lightdm fixes it.
[18:29] <Jaszczur> Hi! Could anyone help me? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1093797/loosing-focus-when-changing-workspace
[21:35] <irgendwer4711> hi, after upgrading to 18.10, Firefox download window does not work any more, no files are opened
[22:57] <irgendwer4711> any one?
[23:09] <guiverc> irgendwer4711, i don't use it (I usually wget my files), how do you get to the firefox download window  (I'll have a look & see how it is for me)
[23:10] <irgendwer4711> main gui
[23:10] <irgendwer4711> download button
[23:11] <guiverc> i don't have one; maybe it appears when you first download (and I haven't yet)
[23:11] <irgendwer4711> no
[23:15] <guiverc> okay found it ; library->downloads - on mine it just opens thunar when i click 'downloads'
[23:15] <guiverc> (thunar $HOME/Downloads/)
[23:16] <irgendwer4711> I tried another firefox profil and the problem is there too,.
[23:17] <irgendwer4711> hm I see, could be an apparmor problem
[23:17] <guiverc> i don't know enough about firefox sorry.  if it were me I'd try `sudo apt install --reinstall firefox` (which is likely to change nothing), then create new user id; & try from there (If that works okay; it's likely a config issue in your profile/settings saved in your user directory; but I'm guessing only as I don't know
[23:19] <irgendwer4711> its apparmor
[23:21] <guiverc> you could ask in #ubuntu (please only ask in a single room though or wait before asking in another room; I can't help with apparmor sorry)
[23:23] <irgendwer4711> ok


[03:37] <tomdp> Hey everyone. I'm having an issue running both i386 and ARM instances of ubuntu-emulator on both of my Xubuntu Trusty machines. The display is usually black, sometimes picking up garbage from other parts of my screen, sometimes garbage from ubuntu touch's GUI, and divided into misaligned horizontal rectangles. This happens on machines with different GPU drivers.
[03:38] <tomdp> I have not yet tested it on Trusty with Unity yet.
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> morning
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> hello to all
[05:55] <chomwitt> i'm considering buying a nexus 7 for family use as tablet with ubuntu touch. Will canonical support the device or the upcoming mx3, bq will change its course?
[05:57] <genii> chomwitt: The meizu, etc will be manufacturer supported and not affect any plans for Nexus line
[05:58] <chomwitt> thats ok
[06:00] <chomwitt> is there a place where i can found user tests and reviews of latest install in nexus devices?
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> !devices | chomwitt
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> !devices
[06:08] <chomwitt> ?
[06:08] <chomwitt> !devices
[06:12] <chomwitt> ?devices
[06:12] <chomwitt> !devices | chomwitt
[10:57] <faLUCE_> hello. does ubuntu touch support this tablet?  http://www.amazon.it/Archos-Pollici-Tablet-PC-Android-bianco/dp/B00BZQBFR0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405852898&sr=8-1&keywords=archos+tablet
[11:14] <faLUCE_> hello. does ubuntu touch support this tablet?  Archos Xenon 20,3 cm (8 inches) Tablet-PC (Quad Core, 1,2GHz, 1GB RAM, 4GB HDD, Android)
[11:19] <faLUCE> Hello, does ubuntu-touch support    Archos Xenon 20,3 cm (8 Pollici) Tablet-PC (Quad Core, 1,2GHz, 1GB RAM, 4GB HDD, Android)
[11:19] <faLUCE> Hello, does ubuntu-touch support    Archos Xenon 20,3 cm (8 INCHES) Tablet-PC (Quad Core, 1,2GHz, 1GB RAM, 4GB HDD, Android)
[16:33] <asac> rsalveti: is phablet.ubuntu.com our git?
[16:33] <asac> dont get a gitview there
[16:33] <asac> times out
[16:36] <asac> rsalveti: ok cloned the tree i wanted. still woonder if we have a gitview
[16:36] <asac> rsalveti: remotes/origin/phablet-4.4.2_r1 on recovery is where we have our code, right?
[18:02] <jfelchner> Will the Ubuntu phones be rooted out of the box?
[18:03] <jfelchner> Or will there (hopefully) be no concept of "rooting" since it will be effectively a desktop computer as well?
[18:04] <vthompson> Does anybody know if there are currently issues with the  Ubuntu Software Center for Touch/click apps? I submitted updates to 2 apps yesterday but never got an email that they are awaiting feedback like I have in the past. Is the email notification system down?
[19:39] <meek_geek> can I flash ubuntu touch on an intel phone ?
[21:17] <ogra_> asac, https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/#/admin/projects/


[00:33] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: review done, lgtm with some comments, see what you think
[00:33] <anastasiamac> \o/ ta
[00:34] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: btw, we've agreed that m changing the tests to use new .SupportedLts() too, right? :D
[00:34] <wallyworld> yeah
[00:34] <anastasiamac> awesome
[03:25] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: if you can find 15 minutes before your EOD, would love a review today so that i can land this before my caas meeting tomorrow https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8568
[03:28] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: lts pr lgtm, tyvm
[03:28] <anastasiamac> \o/
[03:35] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yup, looking now
[03:35] <wallyworld> yay
[03:46] <thumper> wallyworld: are you free in about 25 minutes to talk through this white paper idea?
[03:46] <wallyworld> sure
[03:46] <thumper> cool
[04:34] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: reviewed
[04:34] <wallyworld> great ty!
[05:03] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: so our approach of supportedlts in juju/juju/version introduces cycle import... :( pondering whereelse to put it that makes sense...
[05:05] <wallyworld> ah, awesome
[05:07] <anastasiamac> yep... if testing.BaseSuite was not in juju/juju/testing directly, everything'd b peachy... for real
[05:29] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: so i have a cunning plan :) but i think i want to run it by u...lemme know when u have a chance :)
[05:29] <wallyworld> i am free
[05:48] <babbageclunk> thumper/wallyworld - if you have a worker with a child worker (say it was added to the parent's catacomb in the Plan.Init list), can the child worker cause the parent to stop?
[05:49] <thumper> I'm not sure
[05:49] <thumper> babbageclunk: do you mean if it ends in an error?
[05:49] <wallyworld> if it errors, the parent will error also
[05:49] <wallyworld> unless
[05:49] <wallyworld> you set up a custom runner
[05:49] <wallyworld> and provide IsFatal
[05:50] <thumper> the catacomb doesn't have a runner does it?
[05:50] <babbageclunk> thumper: no it doesn't - oh nice, thanks.
[05:52] <babbageclunk> I think the problem is that at the moment the raft-transport worker makes a streamLayer (which is another worker) but doesn't add it to the raft-transport catacomb.
[05:52] <babbageclunk> So I'm fixing that now.
[07:57] <jam> manadart: do you mind if we move the oracle review back by 30min? that gives me time to have lunch every day instead of trying to squeeze it in
[07:57] <jam> I'm looking at the gomock stuff now
[07:57] <manadart> jam: No problem.
[08:12] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: 8567 was updated with func moved to juju/juju/juju as version... what do u think? it passes now, is ready for landing...
[08:14] <wallyworld> looking
[08:16] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: works for me
[08:20] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: awesome \o/ i'll land it on 2.3
[08:36] <jam> manadart: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/wrNMVKHRXg/
[17:49] <hml> balloons:  CI help please?  if i run the command out side of CI it works, inside it fails??  https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/4WJkdkGsFf/
[18:09] <balloons> hml, looking
[18:12] <balloons> hml, that looks more or less correct
[18:13] <balloons> hml, I would put a try block around the call, expect this error, and fail if something else happens
[18:13] <balloons> hml, subprocess isn't going to return cleanly because the remote just hangs up
[18:15] <hml> balloons: I did have a try block around it… which just confirmed the timeout
[18:15] <hml> balloons: what I don’t understand is why it’s timing out in one place, but  not the other
[18:15] <hml> balloons: in both cases the reboot happened
[18:16] <hml> balloons:  other things start failing then too… timing out
[18:24] <balloons> hml, I'm not sure I'm seeing what you are.
[18:25] <balloons> hml, yor paste just shows me a calledprocesserror when you run the reboot command. Off the cuff, that makes sense to me to expect
[18:25] <hml> balloons: why?
[18:26] <balloons> hml, do you think the subprocess call is exiting cleanly?
[18:26] <balloons> my guess is it just hangs up because the host goes away
[18:26] <balloons> hence the error
[18:27] <balloons> hml, we might be able to tweak your call so it exits clean
[18:27] <hml> balloons:  hrm… perhaps.  so, after this happens, i also get a timeout trying to run  lsb_release -c on the host too
[18:28] <hml> balloons: i was looking at that, then found the first timout of reboot
[18:30] <balloons> hml, so I was thinking of something like 'sudo shutdown -r 0 && exit'
[18:31] <balloons> hml, googling gave a slightly complex and interesting answer as well: 'nohup sudo halt &>/dev/null & exit'
[18:31] <hml> balloons:  will try
[18:31] <balloons> hml the goal is to tell the machine to reboot, but exit cleanly from the ssh command before it does so
[18:33] <balloons> nohup shutdown -r now & exit .. all variants on the same idea :p
[18:35] <hml> balloons: && exit helped, can do lsb_release after… will try with try now
[18:42] <balloons> hml, ohh.. so clean exit? So no need to catch an error then
[18:42] <hml> balloons: okay
[18:42] <balloons> make sense?
[21:34] <thumper> morning vino
[21:52] <babbageclunk> hi vino!
[21:53] <veebers> Hi vino o/
[22:03] <babbageclunk> hey vino, you're in the staff directory now!
[22:03] <balloons> hi vino!
[22:03] <hml> w00t
[22:23] <vino> Hi Everyone!
[23:17] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: standup?
[23:43] <veebers> babbageclunk: would you have a link handy for the wiki/readme section re: running the mongo client on a juju machine to query the db?
[23:45] <babbageclunk> thumper: do you need to add vino to our team on Trello before she can see our board?
[23:46] <veebers> babbageclunk: nvm I found it, I was blind.
[23:46] <babbageclunk> veebers: sorry, was just finding it myself. I guess I didn't have it handy.
[23:47] <veebers> ^_^
[23:47] <babbageclunk> :)
[23:49] <anastasiamac_> thumper: and while u r looking at team members on trello, mayb some ppl need to be removed? :D
[23:50] <thumper> anastasiamac_: heh
[23:50] <thumper> ok
[23:50] <thumper> sorry was interviewing
[23:50] <anastasiamac_> :) m not sorry u were :D


[01:50] <haz3lnut> good evening folks
[02:26] <Robdgreat> howdy
[02:27] <r2d2rogers> o/
[02:36] <haz3lnut> howdy ho
[02:36] <haz3lnut> still here?
[02:42] <Robdgreat> yeah
[02:42] <haz3lnut> well then
[02:42] <haz3lnut> we have a quorum?
[02:42] <haz3lnut> ..kidding
[02:43] <haz3lnut> just listening to some music, while I surf around.
[02:43] <haz3lnut> arguing with wife about eating late at night :-)
[02:44] <Robdgreat> meh
[02:46] <haz3lnut> "meh" to the listening, surfing, or arguing?
[02:46] <Robdgreat> the arguing about that
[02:47] <Robdgreat> any arguments against eating after x:00 involve the fact that people are more likely to graze late at night, not due to any magical properties
[02:47] <haz3lnut> lol
[02:49] <haz3lnut> so r2, no like to chat?
[02:50] <haz3lnut> just one little smirk o/ and that's it?
[02:59] <Robdgreat> that wasn't a smirk
[02:59] <Robdgreat> it was a wave.
[02:59] <Robdgreat> he's probably multitasking like me
[03:00] <haz3lnut> oh
[03:00] <haz3lnut> so what the frell else are y'all doing?
[03:00] <Robdgreat> I'm also watching Toy Story 2 with my sister and brother-in-law, and learning how to set up a django app
[03:01] <haz3lnut> django, cool
[03:01] <haz3lnut> toy story, meh
[03:01] <Robdgreat> nah, it's pretty awesome
[03:01] <haz3lnut> :-)
[03:02] <haz3lnut> ...and rogers? what are you up to this eve?
[03:02] <Robdgreat> r2d2rogers: wake up
[03:03] <haz3lnut> ...r2d2rogers
[03:03] <Robdgreat> heh
[03:04] <haz3lnut> I got some "Ibiza Lounge, Cool Jazz Edition" playing in the background. :-)
[03:04] <haz3lnut> nice musak
[03:06] <Robdgreat> nice
[03:07] <Robdgreat> I'm looking for something to put on what appears to be a bug bite or something gone awry on my finger
[03:08] <Robdgreat> or a wasp sting or someting
[03:08] <haz3lnut> tecquila...cures everything!
[03:08] <Robdgreat> though I don't recall getting stung by anything
[03:08] <Robdgreat> yeah, I got no tequila
[03:09] <haz3lnut> if it was a wasp, you would have known in the first 30 seconds
[03:09] <Robdgreat> I know
[03:09] <Robdgreat> I haven't been stung in years, but it's not something you really forget
[03:09] <haz3lnut> probably an ant
[03:09] <Robdgreat> that does sound plausible
[03:09] <Robdgreat> blegh
[03:10] <Robdgreat> my finger's swollen. This needs to go away. I just took some benadryl
[03:10] <haz3lnut> if you don;t have tecquila, rubbing alcohol works :-)...but don;t try to drink it :-)
[03:10] <haz3lnut> benedryl was going to be my second suggestion.
[03:12] <Robdgreat> so you were proposing applying the tequila to the site?
[03:12] <haz3lnut> lol, yeah, but just a little, gotta save some to drink to kill the pain.
[03:13] <Robdgreat> uh huh
[03:13] <haz3lnut> couple years ago in Mexico, I got the shits from eating some crappy salad
[03:13] <haz3lnut> My uncle suggested tecquila shots.
[03:14] <haz3lnut> it worked
[03:14] <Robdgreat> (no c in tequila)
[03:15] <Robdgreat> but nice
[03:15] <Robdgreat> I've never been to Mexico, and I'm pretty ok with that
[03:15] <haz3lnut> no 'c' ?
[03:16] <haz3lnut> hmm
[03:16] <haz3lnut> guess not.
[03:16] <haz3lnut> don;t know why I thought to put a c in there.
[03:29] <haz3lnut> till tomorrow.  going to watch Merlin
[03:34] <Robdgreat> night


 @KMyers  remember that hidie hole above my closet where we found the bottle of Jack Daniels stashed away?
 You need to bring a ladder to compromise my security system now :D
 Nice, so now I know what to destroy next time I rob your house
 I'm at micro centers right now
 Yep, I was there
 Got a ssd for my desktop
 50 bucks for a 240gb ssd with mlc memory
 I was able to spend less than $20 there
 @Ivoriesablaze, Because if you spent $20.01, you would have an overdraft :)
 Or there would not have been room in the car, there was barely enough room last time
 The guy asked me if I wanted to walk around the store after I got my drive. I was like no thanks
 Good call
 New installer for Ubuntu server 18.04!


[00:00] <Jenk> Yes.
[00:00] <elkbuntu> what language of India do you speak?
[00:00] <DBO> elkbuntu, he speaks hindi
[00:01] <Jenk> Yes , DBO is correct .Hindi.
[00:01] <elkbuntu> the people in #ubuntu-in should be able to help
[00:02] <Jenk> elkbuntu, I understand english perfectly well.
[00:03] <elkbuntu> Jenk, you appear to struggle to speak it.
[00:04] <elkbuntu> Panarchy, can we help?
[00:04] <Panarchy> yes
[00:04] <elkbuntu> with what?
[00:04] <Panarchy> I seem to of been banned
[00:04] <Jenk> elkbuntu, It's much to the contrary.
[00:04] <Panarchy> Could you please be so kind as to unban me?
[00:04] <Panarchy> Thanks in advance.
[00:04] <Flannel> Panarchy: No.
[00:04] <Flannel> Panarchy: You will not be unbanned.
[00:04] <Panarchy> join #vmware
[00:04] <Flannel> At least, not for a while
[00:05] <Panarchy> oh, sorry, forgot the /
[00:05] <Panarchy> Why not?
[00:05] <Flannel> Panarchy: Becuase you are a disruption to the channel, and can't follow direct instructions.
[00:05] <Panarchy> ...
[00:05] <Panarchy> How long is a while?
[00:07] <Jenk> elkbuntu, Would you like to convey any message to me ?
[00:07] <Flannel> Panarchy: I'm not sure.  At least a week.
[00:08] <Flannel> Panarchy: It depends on when we feel you'll be able to participate in a healthy manner.
[00:09] <elkbuntu> Jenk, DBO will be taking over. i have to pack for a plane
[00:10] <Panarchy> Flannel: A week?
[00:10] <Panarchy> Can't we limit it down to, oh, I dunno, 3 days?
[00:10] <Jenk> elkbuntu, Safe Journey, Happy Journey. Bye  !
[00:11] <Flannel> Panarchy: No.
[00:14] <bazhang> Panarchy, was there something else?
[00:14] <Panarchy> yes
[00:14] <Panarchy> I was wondering if I could make my ban any less then a week
[00:14] <bazhang> if not , then please don't idle in the channel.
[00:15] <bazhang> Panarchy, that has been made clear the answer is NO.
[00:15] <Flannel> Panarchy: That's a week from when you were banned, so its really only like six days from now.  But no.  Read the code of conduct, the IRC guidelines and let them soak in, hopefully when you come back we'll be able to unban you, and won't have trouble with you in the future.
[00:15] <Panarchy> As I am in the middle of creating a distribution
[00:15] <Panarchy> and I only have 10 days to finish it
[00:15] <Panarchy> make that 8 days
[00:16] <Flannel> Panarchy: You should have thought about that before you ignored it when we told you to stop asking about what you were asking about.
[00:16] <bazhang> Panarchy, the kinds of questions you were asking were completely offtopic for #ubuntu ; making your own distribution falls squarely into offtopic territory.
[00:17] <Jenk> Flannel, Thanks for the support received.
[00:17] <Jenk> bazhang, Thanks for the help received.
[00:17] <Flannel> Jenk: You're welcome
[00:18] <Panarchy> bazhang: Yes, but I will probably need ubuntu specific command questions to be answered
[00:18] <Flannel> Panarchy: Again, you should have thought about that before you abused your privledge to be in #ubuntu.
[00:19] <Panarchy> as I will now be working from either the alternate or the original distribution of Ubuntu 8.10
[00:19] <bazhang> Panarchy, #ubuntu is for support of the Ubuntu distribution. not clones nor ubuntu-based systems
[00:20] <Panarchy> But I can ask ubuntu specific questions?
[00:20] <Panarchy> Such as
[00:22] <Panarchy> I'm confused at the difference between the Alternate installation and the Original Installation. They both show as taking 2.5GB, but 151,373 is shown as the number of items on the alternate, whilst the original shows up as having 151,015 items.
[00:22] <Panarchy> What's the deal with that?
[00:22] <Flannel> Panarchy: This is not a support channel.
[00:22] <Daviey> @login
[00:23] <bazhang> Panarchy, please part the channel. See you in a week.
[00:23] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[00:23] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[00:23] <Panarchy> @login
[00:23] <Panarchy> lol
[00:23] <Flannel> Panarchy: but for the record, yes, that would be an appropriate question for #ubuntu.
[00:23] <Panarchy> Thanks
[00:23] <elkbuntu> !forums
[00:23] <Panarchy> Because that is the type of question (in fact the exact question) that I wish to ask
[00:23] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[00:24] <Flannel> Panarchy: Yes, but you're banned, so you can't.  You abused your privledge and now you must face the consequences of your actions.
[00:24] <Panarchy> @login
[00:24] <Panarchy> Flannel: C'mon
[00:24] <Panarchy> We all make mistakes
[00:24] <Panarchy> and that was a mistake I made this morning at 1am
[00:24] <bazhang> perhaps a week is too short.
[00:25] <Panarchy> bazhang: I had forgotten which channel I was on when I reposted my question
[00:25] <Tm_T> Panarchy: no, begging isn't helping you
[00:25] <bazhang> Panarchy, there is nothing further to discuss now.
[00:25] <PriceChild> I think Panarchy would rather it was kept at a week. That will give him 4 days of our support to release his new distribution. He should note though that he shouldn't use our support once he is using his distribution.
[00:26] <bazhang> need to alter the factoids for this new distro
[00:26] <Tm_T> what new distro?
[00:26] <bazhang> 'anarchy-support'
[00:27] <Tm_T> errr
[00:27] <bazhang> the new one coming from Panarchy Tm_T
[00:27] <Tm_T> that sounds scary
[00:27] <bazhang> haha
[00:27] <Flannel> Alright.  Week has been noted in BT
[00:28] <Tm_T> roger roger
[00:29] <nickrud> Peubuntu? (using a common linguistic vowel shift here)
[00:30] <Flannel> nickrud: Peu Peubuntu?
[00:31] <Jack_Sparrow> WOuld that version be nicknamed Pepe'
[00:31] <nickrud> Flannel, precicely
[00:31] <PriceChild> Was Panarchy known before today?
[00:31] <nickrud> or, P - U - buntu
[00:31] <Flannel> PriceChild: Yes
[00:31] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, yes, very.
[00:31] <Flannel> About a month ago
[00:32] <PriceChild> Funky.
[00:32] <PriceChild> ikonia: I suggest you remove the forward.
[00:32] <Jack_Sparrow> PriceChild, funky has seemed to be on good behavior from what I have seen today
[00:33] <nickrud> funky hat? he's been around since forever I think. goes in waves
[00:34] <Flannel> I imagine PriceChild was just saying "Funky", not referring to a person.
[00:40] <Jack_Sparrow> He and I were discussing funky earlier
[00:42] <PriceChild> Were we?
[00:42] <PriceChild> Sorry, I did just mean funky :)
[00:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Funkyhat omething, the guy I unbanned..
[00:43] <nickrud> and funky was in channel, and all the above is true :)
[00:43] <Jack_Sparrow> :0
[00:44] <Jack_Sparrow> Later guys and gals..
[00:48] <nickrud> handles
[00:48] <nalioth> lovely.
[00:49] <nickrud> he's all yours, I'll be happy to remove an #u specific ban
[00:54] <nalioth> i'll let you know if Elvis leaves the building
[01:10] <Flannel> hi Charitwo, how can we help you?
[01:11] <Charitwo> oh don't mind me, was just looking at something
[01:21] <Seeker`> I wonder what he was looking at, there isnt much of a view from here
[01:36] <nickrud> user list probably. First time I was here was for that
[01:41] <elkbuntu> i kinda suspect he's one of "them"
[01:42] <nickrud> he was useful in #u earlier
[01:42] <nickrud> Charitwo
[01:51] <ardchoille> Can someone do something about Boxxy in #ubuntu please?
[01:51] <Flannel> I'll look at it
[01:51] <nalioth> Flannel: hold a mo
[01:51] <Flannel> sorry, too late.
[01:51] <Flannel> but, no ban, just remove
[01:52] <Flannel> so, no ban to remove if kline!
[01:52] <Flannel> Here hes back
[02:07] <_slax_> hey guys Microsoftsux is PM'ing people harrasing them and spamming youtube links, just thought i'd let you know :)
[02:08] <Flannel> Why must people be stupid?
[02:08] <Flannel> Oh, thats Firk
[02:08] <Flannel> y
[02:15] <Flannel> What on earth is #ubuntu-meta?
[02:16] <PriceChild> Flannel: /topic often contains useful info
[02:16] <Flannel> I don't understand the topic in conjunction with the factoid
[02:16] <Flannel> !meta
[02:17] <nickrud> Flannel, sorry about boxxy; I was about to kick him but work intervened
[02:18] <Flannel> Oh, no worries
[02:18] <Flannel> PriceChild: Is there a bot that relays questions there or something?
[02:18] <nickrud> still. Channel (the few who know me)probably wondered why I ducked out
[02:25] <Flannel> Alright, so Firky not only was querying other people with random stuff, he then lied to me about it.
[02:26] <Flannel> (and tried to fabricate evidence to support his lies)
[04:58] <legodude> [23:52] <boxy> NIGGERS!
[04:59] <tritium> legodude: please don't paste that here
[05:00] <nickrud> legodude, doesn't help us, you not reporting where you are, etc
[05:00] <tritium> legodude: I asked you what you needed in #ubuntu+1, and you ignored me
[05:01] <legodude> in #kubuntu
[05:01] <legodude> trolling a bit too
[05:04] <nickrud> tritium, boxy (if it's the same one) is a nuisance
[05:04] <tritium> nickrud: I don't have ops in #kubuntu
[05:04] <nickrud> didn't think so. ops seem scarce in several places recently.
[05:05] <tritium> I don't use KDE, and didn't figure it was one of the channels I'd be in.
[05:06] <nickrud> neither did I. A few times recently there's been some serious trolling (one I saw, others by rumor) and they simply had to endure until the troller tired and left
[05:06] <Flannel> Yeah
[05:06] <tritium> It has a long access list.
[05:08] <nickrud> off for home, cya
[06:19] <bluesmoke> If that guy still in #kubuntu?
[06:20] <bluesmoke> The only non-standard place I have ops is #ubuntu-desktop but I can help find someone
[06:20]  * Flannel boggles at #ubuntu-desktop
[06:20] <Flannel> Is that desktop team?
[06:20] <Flannel> Likely.
[06:21] <Flannel> Right.
[06:21] <tritium> bluesmoke: I wouldn't consider #kubuntu non-standard
[06:22] <Amaranth> tritium: I consider anything outside of #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic non-standard, except for the places all members have ops
[06:22] <tritium> Amaranth: hmm, interesting
[06:22] <Amaranth> Most of our ops are not #kubuntu ops
[06:22] <Amaranth> Thus non-standard
[06:23] <bazhang>  [boxy] (n=yxxob@71-221-166-76.bois.qwest.net): yxxob
[06:23] <Flannel> He's back? what?
[06:23] <bazhang> never left afaik
[06:23] <tritium> Well, box him up, and ship him out.
[06:23] <bazhang> haha
[06:23] <Flannel> Oh, he's in #k, he was in #u earlier
[06:24] <bazhang> right sorry
[06:24] <Amaranth> -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
[06:24] <Amaranth> worth a shot
[06:24] <Flannel> Hes 100%* troll (* from concentrate)
[06:25] <Amaranth> Regularly trolling multiple channels is a kline offense, isn't it?
[06:28] <Flannel> I'm not sure if he counts as regular yet.
[06:29] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, s/channels/namespaces/
[06:30] <Flannel> Ah thats true.  He's purely an Ubuntu problem at the moment
[06:31] <elkbuntu> for many its too easy to rack up multiple channels within a namespace. especiallhy if its pure argumentativeness
[06:40] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: try atroll
[06:47] <tonyyarusso> !atroll
[06:47] <tonyyarusso> huh, okay
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> !trolling is <alias> atroll
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> :(
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> @login
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> !trolling is <alias> atroll
[06:48] <tritium> Why not "troll" as well?  At least it's a word...
[06:48] <tritium> (so is trolling, bot "atroll")
[06:48] <nickrud> heh
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> !troll is <alias> atroll
[06:49] <tonyyarusso> there ya go
[06:49] <tritium> :)
[06:56] <nickrud> tritium, you gonna write up some dvb stuff once you've got your home theatre running?
[06:57] <tritium> nickrud: well, so far I do have a bug report to file
[06:57] <nickrud> xampp needs a factoid, recommending the native task
[06:57] <tritium> I'm not sure -- this is my 2nd htpc, and I didn't write much up after building the first one.
[06:58] <tritium> nickrud: good suggestion, though.
[06:58] <nickrud> I'm really bad about that. I usually find what I need on google, I'm such a leech
[06:59] <tritium> If there's anything pertinent to document that hasn't already been, then I will.
[07:46] <Flannel> No one awake with #k?
[07:47] <Flannel> !ops
[07:47] <Flannel> (I know, I know, sorry)
[07:48] <Flannel> dr_Willis: We know already ;)
[07:48] <dr_Willis> :)
[07:51] <RurouniJones> If anyone happens to be around there is some troll in #kubuntu called boxy racially trolling
[07:51] <tritium> Again?
[07:51] <Flannel> tritium: Yep
[07:51] <dr_Willis> hes cussing at the bot right now.....
[07:52] <RurouniJones> I think he has shut up from lack of interaction from anyone else in the channel
[07:52] <tritium> ah
[07:56] <RurouniJones> Now he just trie dto ge ta newbie to sudo rm -rf *
[07:56] <tritium> I noticed.
[07:57]  * tritium has no access in #kubuntu, or he'd help
[07:57] <dr_Willis> apeal to higher powers? :)
[07:57] <Flannel> One wonders where everyone is.
[07:57] <RurouniJones> Nerts, I asked in #freenode and they directed me here
[07:57] <Flannel> !staff
[07:58] <Flannel> Hmm, we haven't pinged genii yet, but he's been idle for over a day now.
[07:59] <dr_Willis> 3 am on the weekend! what are they doing? like they have a life? hmm what am i doing up at 3 am...
[08:00] <Flannel> dr_Willis: It's not 3am everywhere.
[08:00] <RurouniJones> 5pm here
[08:00] <dr_Willis> but its always 3 am somewhere :) thats sort of 'zen' in a way heh
[08:00] <RurouniJones> I offer my services as a Japan-based agent of retribution ;)
[08:00] <dr_Willis> shows how tired i am.
[08:00]  * RurouniJones cackles
[08:01] <dr_Willis> i work 3rd sift.. this is my lunch time.. 3am in the usa
[08:01] <Flannel> Oh great.  Now he's in -ot
[08:04] <RurouniJones> Ach well, the problem is known, no point in me idling and getting kicked *Looks fearfully at the topic*, toodles.
[08:05] <Flannel> This is quite embarassing.
[08:06] <tritium> Yes, we need someone to take care of it.
[08:06]  * tritium pings mneptok
[08:09] <hyper__ch> any ops for #kubuntu available?
[08:10] <tritium> hyper__ch: we're working on it
[08:10] <hyper__ch> tritium: :)
[08:10] <hyper__ch> what about jdong-bot?
[08:11] <tritium> hyper__ch: sorry we're under-manned at the moment
[08:11] <hyper__ch> tritium: it's ok
[08:11] <hyper__ch> just someone takes pride in throwing racist terms around in the channel
[08:12] <tritium> hyper__ch: I've seen, and banned him from #ubuntu-offtopic, but can't do anything about #kubuntu for the time being.
[08:12] <hyper__ch> tritium: :)
[08:12] <hyper__ch> who was this freenode admin/op again.....
[08:25] <Panarchy> arghh, default whenever I open mibbit
[08:25] <Panarchy> sorry guys
[09:23] <jussi01> tritium: just banned boxy in #k
[09:24] <Flannel> yay jussi01!
[09:32] <Flannel> ubottu: tell FriedCPU about away
[09:34] <Tm_T> jussi01: one of those mornings when I shouldn't slept this well
[09:34] <jussi01> LOL
[09:34] <Tm_T> jussi01: you know, usually our daughter won't let me sleep this well =)
[09:35] <jussi01> hehe
[09:56] <jpds> Hmm.
[10:10] <Tm_T> that nick....
[10:10] <jpds> Tm_T: My thoughts exactly.
[16:14] <jussi01> removed...
[16:27] <topyli> the quit message is a great place for trolling. right now, somebody's quit message is "Religion kills." would be good to notify the user that it's not acceptable
[16:27] <topyli> but if i do when i next see him, the message might be "ubuntu rocks"
[17:06] <ikonia> @btlogin
[17:07] <ikonia> Flannel: give me a nudge when you're back
[17:07] <ikonia> "please" sorry
[17:08] <Tm_T> topyli: well, notify him, and if he does it again, it's banforward to here
[17:09] <topyli> yeah
[17:09] <Tm_T> don't remember who it was, but he had eventually quit message "Tm_T said so!"
[17:09] <Tm_T> or similar
[17:11] <topyli> hehe
[18:15] <topyli> hmm i just realized we have epiphany-webkit in intrepid
[18:16] <bazhang> floodbots are going a bit wacky every other minute in #ubuntu
[18:18] <Pici> Should be fixed now.
[18:29] <bazhang> whats with the factoid !bar ?
[18:29] <bazhang> seems to be a popular form of !fishing of late
[18:29] <bazhang> !bar
[18:30] <Pici> !foo
[18:30] <Pici> !bar
[18:31] <Pici> Its nothing special.
[19:19] <Flannel> ping ikonia
[19:20] <ikonia> Flannel: ahh no sweat, it was only a quick one to find out if you put a ban on panarchy after you removed my forward,
[19:20] <ikonia> Flannel: I didn't see one so put one in place
[19:20] <Flannel> oh right
[19:20] <ikonia> not a biggy
[19:26] <Flannel> ikonia: There is one.  It's on his static IP
[19:28] <bazhang> 0/
[19:29] <Flannel> Oh.  Yeah, the static IP ban that you set ;)
[19:40] <tritium> jussi01_: Thanks so much!
[19:41] <tritium> Just stopping by to say hi.  I'm off to help my sister and brother-in-law install a security light.
[19:42] <ikonia> Flannel: yeah, I put a nick one in too as he uses mibbet to get around his ip one
[19:42] <Flannel> mibbit won't get him around his IP one, but I don't disagree that both are good.
[19:42] <ikonia> Flannel: ooh really ?
[19:43] <Flannel> ikonia: right.  floodbot won't give exceptions for banned IPs
[19:43] <Flannel> (and actually, when you remove a mibbit user, floodbots ban the real IPs as well)
[19:43] <ikonia> he's not been removed as mibbet yet
[19:43] <ikonia> but I didn't know that either
[19:44] <Flannel> no, but you set a ban on his real ip
[19:44] <ikonia> yup
[19:44] <Flannel> I *believe* it should work
[19:44] <ikonia> I see what you're sawying
[19:44] <ikonia> saying even
[19:44] <Flannel> I just wanted to remove that forward, since he got forwarded here last night, and that's not really fair
[19:45] <Flannel> but, re-ban is good enough as well.
[19:45] <ikonia> I put the forward on so he could talk to us if he wanted to discuss it, but I agree just a straight ban is better now
[19:45] <ikonia> his threats to take down freenode channels and ban dodge are getting old, especially when I say them in a ban jrib set on him a while ago
[19:46] <ikonia> straight ban is probably better
[19:46] <bazhang> panarchy is making threats?
[19:46] <ikonia> yeah, see the logs
[19:46] <bazhang> what the heck
[19:46] <ikonia> when I banned him he said he could take the channel down and ban dodge if he wanted to
[19:46] <ikonia> (total joke)
[19:46] <Flannel> bazhang: Before yesterday
[19:47] <bazhang> oh at 1337
[19:47] <ikonia> correct
[19:47] <ikonia> ironic timing
[19:47] <bazhang> :)
[19:47] <bazhang> have to check distrowatch in 10 days or so
[19:47] <ikonia> ha ha ha, see his home made one
[19:47] <ikonia> he talks such rubbish it's un true
[19:48] <bazhang> peupeulinux
[19:48] <ikonia> non-exisistan linux
[19:50] <Tm_T> BAAAAAH
[19:50] <Tm_T> I want to go to Akademy
[19:53] <ikonia> whay's that
[19:54] <bazhang> KDE Akademy
[19:54] <Tm_T> well, KDE+GNOME this year <3
[19:54] <jrib> oh
[19:54] <jrib> Tm_T: where?
[19:54] <Tm_T> jrib: canary islands
[19:54] <bazhang> nice
[19:55] <Tm_T> jrib: in worst tourist season, so expensive++
[19:55] <bazhang> o/
[20:04] <bazhang> [ic3fr0g] (n=enea@athedsl-09343.home.otenet.gr): purple  sken?
[20:05] <jussi01> if its sken youll know...
[20:05] <bazhang> :)
[21:36] <guntbert> hello
[21:36] <Seeker`> how can we help you?
[21:36] <guntbert> have you seen slasher> http://sg10scanner.com/sg1/1/10187 ? looks a bit suspicious, he repated it
[21:37] <guntbert> in #ubuntu
[21:37] <Amaranth> it's a virus thing for windows
[21:37] <guntbert> yes, I want to report someone who tries evil things in #ubuntu
[21:38] <Seeker`> I think that warrents a talking to at least
[21:38] <Seeker`> ah, he quit
[21:41] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: I can't help right now (leaving in two minutes, but you may suggest to gamewolf some of the methods on the Install wiki page
[21:41] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[21:55] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[21:55] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[22:08] <topyli> do we love auto_bleh.pl, or what do we do on irssi when we don't have chanserv.py?
[22:10] <PriceChild> I use aliases for /csop & /csdeop, though occasionally use auto_bleh.pl
[22:11]  * jpds uses /opme to the same effect.
[22:15] <topyli> hmm auto_bleh.pl does seem to do pretty much everything. i like chanserv.py's "one command, with arguments" approach more though
[22:16]  * Seeker` has /opme
[22:16] <Seeker`> doesn't work in many places though
[22:46] <Myrtti> Hello BABES!
[22:46] <Myrtti> ♥
[22:48] <nickspoon> o/
[22:48] <Nafallo> Myrtti!!!
[22:48]  * Myrtti smooches everyone
[22:48] <jpds> Hey Myrtti, having fun?
[22:48] <nickspoon> You're in a good mood today :D
[22:48] <Myrtti> jpds: very :-D
[22:48] <bazhang> :)
[22:49] <Myrtti> I got 20 percent off from already cheap Bodyshop UK prices with showing my Finnish Bodyshop card :-D
[22:50] <Nafallo> \o/
[22:52] <Myrtti> they did have a good laugh looking at it though
[22:53] <Nafallo> :-)
[22:54] <Nafallo> like me when I was at Ikea and told the staff what the product's names actually meant? ;-)
[22:55] <Dave2> I should've tried using my UK game card at game in sweden
[22:57] <Myrtti> Duncan did promise that when we go to Littlehampton he might take me to have the Bodyshop tour
[22:57] <Myrtti> which would be awesome
[23:01] <Seeker`> Myrtti: heya!
[23:01] <Seeker`> Myrtti: where in the UK are you at the moment?
[23:03] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[23:03] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[23:06] <Myrtti> Seeker`: Warboys
[23:07] <Myrtti> "The Homebase"
[23:08] <Seeker`> Myrtti: bout 60 miles from here
[23:10] <Myrtti> I seem to be about 60 miles from anywhere
[23:10] <Seeker`> hehe
[23:10] <Seeker`> whatcha up to tomorrow?
[23:12] <Myrtti> work, should prolly start about as fast as I can get my eyes open so I'd be early in Finnish time
[23:12] <Myrtti> after that... who knows.
[23:12] <Myrtti> so I'll be online a lot tomorrow
[23:12] <Seeker`> fair enough
[23:12] <Myrtti> I need to install lots of apps for my new laptop
[23:13] <Seeker`> you running on finnish or UK time now?
[23:13] <Myrtti> cannot install terminator or gwibber from bzr :-<
[23:13] <Myrtti> physically UK, but since everyone else from work is in Finland, I have to give in to that a bit
[23:14]  * jussi01 waves to Martinp23
[23:14]  * jussi01 waves to Myrtti
[23:14] <jussi01> oops
[23:14] <Seeker`> jussi01: dont hilight the staff like that!
[23:14] <Myrtti> fail :-P
[23:14] <Seeker`> jussi01: just dont move! They cant see you if you dont move!
[23:14] <Myrtti> oh, right
[23:15] <Myrtti> was looking at my timestamps
[23:15] <Myrtti> "whoa, tis late"
[23:15] <Myrtti> but the server runs in Finland
[23:15] <Seeker`> my irssi is running on finnish time
[23:15] <Myrtti> got mixed up for a moment
[23:15] <Seeker`> should really sort it out
[23:15] <jussi01> Seeker`: meh
[23:15] <Myrtti> Seeker`: env doesn't work for you
[23:15] <Myrtti> ?
[23:16] <jpds> This server is in Canada, but all my shells are in UK time.
[23:16] <Seeker`> Myrtti: haven't tried it
[23:16] <Myrtti> you should
[23:16] <jussi01> if he changes it I change it back... mwahahahahah
[23:16] <jussi01> :P
[23:16] <jussi01> nah, just kidding
[23:17] <Myrtti> anyway, time to hit the hay
[23:17] <Myrtti> talk to you tomorrow
[23:18] <Myrtti> take care everyone
[23:18] <Seeker`> night
[23:18] <jpds> g'night.
[23:18] <Nafallo> gnight Myrtti
[23:18] <jpds> Good idea to /me does likewise.
[23:18] <jpds> too.*
[23:23] <bazhang> cdenny was trolling earlier
[23:23] <bazhang> not that bad (as now) though
[23:25] <Jack_Sparrow> @mark #ubuntu cdenny Says he is bored and trolling because his Vista install keeps freezing
[23:25] <Jack_Sparrow> 24 hr time out
[23:27] <bazhang> was asking earlier about running maya 3d in ubuntu vm via wine
[23:38] <jussi01> poor Myll
[23:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Friend of yours


[03:55] <daftykins> welp i shall call it a night whilst the slates are falling to the groung from the place opposite
[03:56] <daftykins> *ground
[10:08] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:11] <SuperEngineer> 0/
[10:12] <brobostigon> :)
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> heys
[10:20] <brobostigon> hey MartijnVdS
[10:45] <SuperEngineer> This might just be the right place to ask: anyone know of a better than AndChat IRC client for android?
[12:14] <ali1234> SuperEngineer: i use androirc
[12:16] <SuperEngineer> I just spent ten minutes looking for the method of cancelling the Amazon Prime free trial.
[12:16] <SuperEngineer> Only clicked on it to see if 1 day delivery worked [& it didn't].
[12:17] <SuperEngineer> I don't want ya Amazon Prime... & I don't like your hidden t's & c's.
[12:17] <SuperEngineer> Fortunately cancelled within the hidden *14* days [not 30 days] allowed without charge.
[12:18] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: have you tried andchat?  If so, how does it compare?
[12:19] <ali1234> i havenot
[12:19] <SuperEngineer> hokey dokey, I'll have a peek at it and see.  ....& thanks
[12:42]  * brobostigon uses connectbot
[12:55]  * SuperEngineer takes a peep at that as well
[12:56] <SuperEngineer> [though doesn't like things with "bot" ion their name ;-)
[12:56] <brobostigon> its an ssh client, :)
[12:57] <SuperEngineer> ahhhhhhhhhhh!
[12:58] <brobostigon> irc client once, irc everywhere, :)
[12:58] <brobostigon> byobu + irssi + bitlbee.
[17:56] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/ComicBookGrrl/status/800390198043561984
[17:56] <diddledan> use the force!