[12:18] <eagles0513875> the page even loaded for me in konqueror
[12:19] <ikonia> "eve" ????
[12:19] <ikonia> even
[12:19] <eagles0513875> i tried loading the page in konqueror and i didnt get a time out
[12:20] <eagles0513875> macvr: have you cleared out the passwords etc of firefox
[12:20] <ikonia> oh come on
[12:20] <ikonia> next try a re-install ????
[12:20] <ikonia> approach it logically
[12:20] <eagles0513875> i am ikonia
[12:20] <macvr> eagles0513875: i tired everything, i even tried removing the .mozilla and used with a new profile!
[12:21] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:21] <AliTarihi> Hi... From time to time I'm experiencing Plasma Freeze
[12:21] <macvr> ikonia: what is weird is in launchpad i cant post a comment/file a bug either!
[12:22] <ikonia> macvr: interesting as that's also bound by session data
[12:22] <BUGabundo> macvr: can you test on stagging server?
[12:22] <BUGabundo> to not polut LP
[12:22] <macvr> BUGabundo: ? how?
[12:22] <BUGabundo> https://staging.launchpad.net/
[12:22] <BUGabundo> just choose a random bug
[12:22] <cwillu> macvr, you don't happen to have user-agent-switcher installed?
[12:22] <BUGabundo> its a test placve
[12:23] <macvr> cwillu: yes i have user agent
[12:23] <BUGabundo> macvr: https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/geofft/+bug/359377
[12:23] <jpds> macvr: A history of updated packages is at: System -> Admin -> Synaptic, and from there: File -> History.
[12:23] <cwillu> macvr, and it's turned off right now, right?
[12:24] <macvr> cwillu but i'm not able to access for epiphany either!
[12:24] <cwillu> macvr, setting a different user-agent (such as ie) will break many sites if they're using it to determine what code your browser can run
[12:25] <ikonia> interesting so you can't access it from two seperate browsers
[12:25] <macvr> cwillu: i tried with default first, but also tried with IE, nothing worked
[12:25] <cwillu> macvr, definitely needs to be default
[12:25] <cwillu> but ya
[12:26] <macvr> BUGabundo: i get this site > https://staging.launchpad.net/ < as page load error!
[12:27] <macvr> BUGabundo: now it worked!
[12:29] <macvr> BUGabundo: but unable to post comment...
[12:29] <eagles0513875> macvr have you tried to purge firefox and its configuration
[12:30] <macvr> eagles0513875:  i tried removing the .mozilla folder and used with a new profile also ! how do u mean purge?
[12:30] <ikonia> macvr: you've said that, he's just getting random again
[12:30] <ikonia> plus you've also said it's more than one browser
[12:31] <eagles0513875> macvr: sudo apt-get purge firefox
[12:31] <eagles0513875> then sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:31] <Creative1412> guys when i update with synpatic  i get  E: The package cache file is corrupted E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[12:31] <ikonia> how does that fix the other browser not working ?
[12:32] <macvr> ikonia: “securereg3.prometric.com” dropped the connection. this is the error from epiphany
[12:32] <cwillu> eagles0513875, ^^^
[12:32] <eagles0513875> fine ill shut up and going back to what i was doing
[12:32] <eagles0513875> and if he has a windows machine that sounds like a spyware or virus protection
[12:33] <motin_0> Hi, I am trying to run bootchart to see the gain in boot performance, but stop-bootchart is not run upon start of gdm or similar. the rc-links are there, but I have to manually run this after having logged in...
[12:33] <motin_0> any idea of how to fix this?
[12:35] <cwillu> BUGabundo, any suggestions for making screen capture videos?
[12:35] <cwillu> I vaguely recall you doing something with that?
[12:35] <BUGabundo> cwillu: vlc
[12:35] <cwillu> thanks
[12:36] <cwillu> Creative1412, one sec
[12:36] <mncat> Does it look like to use 9.04 RC like the final version? i mean is it stable right now ?
[12:37] <Creative1412> IT'S THE BETA
[12:37] <cwillu> mncat, I wouldn't be surprised to so some more updates before release, but yes, it's pretty close
[12:37] <Creative1412> THE BETA LOOKS LIKE FINAL VERSION
[12:37] <cwillu> still no guarantees that anything will work though
[12:38] <cwillu> Creative1412, cut out the caps please
[12:38] <bazhang> Creative1412, no need for caps
[12:38] <mncat> Creative1412: i know that its beta stop the caps
[12:38] <Creative1412> sry :S
[12:38] <mncat> i just asked a question
[12:38] <Creative1412> iforget the caps :S
[12:38] <macvr> ikonia: BUGabundo any ideas?
[12:38] <cwillu> Creative1412, try moving /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin elsewhere, and running apt-get update
[12:38] <Creative1412> ok :)
[12:40] <mrwes> I keeping getting a partial upgrade error for the following package; http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3556/screenshotupdatemanager.png
[12:40] <mrwes> anyway to fix that?
[12:43] <ikonia> macvr: apologies, was just way from my desk for a moment
[12:43] <Creative1412> cwillu: thanks that worked :)
[12:43] <macvr> ikonia: np
[12:43] <cwillu> Creative1412, goodie
[12:43] <cwillu> Creative1412, ext4?
[12:43] <Creative1412> yes i use ext4
[12:44] <ikonia> macvr: if you do the update from the command line you may get better output to why it's failing
[12:44] <macvr> ikonia: update? i had problem with web pages...
[12:45] <ikonia> macvr: sorry - got your mixed up with mrwes's post
[12:45] <mrwes> me you mean ikonia
[12:45] <mrwes> heh
[12:45] <ikonia> macvr: you're issue is quite frustrating/odd
[12:45] <shaga> anyone tried new rc on acer aspire one?
[12:45] <mrwes> The following packages have been kept back:
[12:45] <mrwes>   liblucene2-java
[12:46] <mrwes> shrug?
[12:46] <macvr> ikonia: someone was saying something about DNS, ?
[12:46] <ikonia> mrwes: kept back is normally a good thing, eg: its doing something
[12:46] <ikonia> macvr: yes, eagles0513875's mentioned flushing your DNS cache
[12:46] <macvr> ikonia: how do i do that?
[12:46] <mrwes> ikonia, hrmm..just never saw that
[12:46] <mrwes> ikonia, just leave it as is?
[12:46] <ikonia> personally I don't see it as a problem as if your cache is style it's always stale - not intermitant
[12:47] <ikonia> and if it's your DNS resolver - you can't control that, that's your ISP's responsability
[12:48] <macvr> ikonia: if its an ISP prob how am i able to access the pages when i dual boot into windows?
[12:48] <ikonia> macvr: I didn't say it was, I was explaining why I didn't think it was a problem with your dns
[12:48] <macvr> ikonia: ok...
[12:49] <macvr> ikonia: any ideas why i get the firestarter failed?
[12:49] <ikonia> firestarter failed ??? that's a new thing, you didn't mention firestarter
[12:50]  * cwillu kinda wishes firestarter was never mentioned in the release notes of any ubuntu release, just causes more problems than it solves
[12:50] <cwillu> if you need a firewall, you probably already _know_ you need a firewall

[12:50] <mrwes> I only turn mine on when I'm roaming with my laptop
[12:50] <mrwes> heh
[12:50] <eagles0513875> cwillu: im using kmyfirewall which is iptables firewall
[12:51] <mrwes> ufw is very easy to use
[12:51] <eagles0513875> but im having trouble getting it to install on my laptop
[12:51] <mrwes> ikonia, so just let that package error ride?
[12:51] <ikonia> mrwes: I wouldn't sweat it
[12:52] <mrwes> k -- thanks -- I'll be able to sleep tonight
[12:52] <mrwes> heh
[12:52] <macvr> ikonia:  i use wifi, during boot firestarter stops and then again when i starts its says failed, i thought that it was since the firestarter started before the wifi... sorry i had asked BUGabundo !
[12:52] <macvr> ^it starts
[12:54] <eagles0513875> macvr: i have had issues with it getting it to work
[12:54] <eagles0513875> i dumped it and am experimenting wiht kmyfirewall instead macvr
[12:54] <eagles0513875> !info kmyfirewall | macvr
[12:57] <macvr> eagles0513875: firestarter worked well in intrepid, guess ill give kmy a try
[12:58] <TychoQuad> my 3g modem is no longer working under jaunty, it worked fine under intrepid
[12:59] <cwillu> TychoQuad, did it work out of the box, or did you have to configure or tweak anything manually?
[12:59] <TychoQuad> under intrepid it worked out of the box
[13:00] <TychoQuad> i plugged it in and it went "hey! a modem! lets set it up!"
[13:01] <TychoQuad> from then on my isp would appear in the network manager list and selecting it would just connect. now plugging it in does nothing
[13:01] <mrwes> you check dmesg | tail after pluggin in?
[13:02] <Lounge> I just wanted to say Jaunty Jackalope is by far the best Ubuntu build I've worked with since Feisty Fawn. You guys did a fantastic job. The bugs during development have been very minimal and quick to fix. I've never experienced speeds and support for legacy systems as good as this before.  Thank you for the awesome work...
[13:03] <Lounge> yes i know its only April 17
[13:03] <TychoQuad> it says a bunch of stuff about my modem, but that doesn't really help me
[13:06] <mrwes> pastebin the 'bunch of stuff'
[13:06] <TychoQuad> doing so
[13:06] <wirechief> Lounge considering the awesome number of bugs they had to start off with they have done a good job
[13:06] <Lounge> lol
[13:06] <Lounge> wirechief: the only critical bugs i noticed was udev
[13:07] <TychoQuad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/152752/
[13:07] <Lounge> but this system really flys
[13:07] <Lounge> flies fast
[13:07] <mrwes> yah gnone is very snappy
[13:08] <wirechief> Lounge a good read here http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[13:09] <wirechief> Lounge evidently it flys too fast for usb sticks
[13:09] <mrwes> TychoQuad, looks like your modem is attacked to [17050.741813] usb 6-2: GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached to ttyUSB1
[13:10] <AliTarihi> I get time to time plasma freeze in Kubuntu 9.04. Anyone with the same experince
[13:10] <TychoQuad> which means absolutely nothing to me. so for some reason the network manager is broken?
[13:10] <AliTarihi> experience*
[13:11] <wirechief> TychoQuad: which version of network manager ?
[13:11] <Lounge> i have this system is using ext4 LVM ecryption, and there's no slowdown in read/writes
[13:11] <TychoQuad> <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:12] <wirechief> hmm did everyone get the new kernel this am ?
[13:12] <mrwes> yah
[13:12] <TychoQuad> both my computers are using this network manager and both don't see the modem anymore
[13:13] <Lounge> reboot time for me
[13:14] <wirechief> TychoQuad:  ii  network-manager                            0.7.1~rc4.1.cf199a964-0ubuntu2
[13:14] <mrwes> TychoQuad, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/353631
[13:14] <wirechief> thats current
[13:16] <TychoQuad> wirechief, that's the one i have
[13:18] <wirechief> TychoQuad: ok well was that your bug 353631 or someone else's ?
[13:18] <TychoQuad> someone else's.
[13:19] <TychoQuad> adding my 2c
[13:19] <wirechief> TychoQuad: does that bug affect you the same way ?
[13:19] <TychoQuad> I'm kinda surprised that an advertised feature of the last ubuntu release is going to be totally broken by the very next one and noone noticed
[13:20] <TychoQuad> in that it connects fine, yes. as for the rest, i have no idea. i just use the gui
[13:20] <TychoQuad> i have no idea how to connect this thing manually
[13:21] <wirechief> TychoQuad: well i see that its undecided, if no-one else reports on it then it will sit for a long time, if i was having that trouble id jump on it and let em know.
[13:21] <mrwes> right
[13:21] <TychoQuad> already did
[13:25] <TychoQuad> so nothing else i can do at this point?
[13:25] <mrwes> I don't see a work-around
[13:27] <TychoQuad> :(
[13:27] <jtholmes> TychoQuad, you could google to see how to set it up manually
[13:27] <mrwes> TychoQuad, does lsusb show the modem?
[13:28] <mrwes> TychoQuad, try here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-936658.html  might work
[13:28] <TychoQuad> yes it does list the modem
[13:28] <TychoQuad> checking page
[13:29] <dassouki> if i install 9.04 rc, would i have to update or reinstall when the official release comes out
[13:30] <TychoQuad> no
[13:30] <TychoQuad> you just update and you have the final
[13:30] <dassouki> oooh interesting
[13:30] <dassouki> thanks
[13:30] <wirechief> dassouki: 9.04 is a work in progress, if you want the latest fix's YES
[13:30] <TychoQuad> np
[13:30] <checkers> hey all, new new kernel in 9.04 doesn't detect the kb/touchpad on my laptop. has anyone else seen this?
[13:31] <mrwes> TychoQuad, might need gnome-device-manager to the the information on the modem
[13:32] <wirechief> checkers which kernel version ?
[13:33] <dassouki> thank u :D
[13:33] <checkers> 28
[13:33] <checkers> when I boot into 27 the kb/touchpad work
[13:33]  * checkers checks
[13:34] <checkers> yes, in 28 the kb/touchpad don't seem to even turn on, in 27 they are normal
[13:34] <wirechief> checkers Linux wirechief-laptop 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux is the current released kernel
[13:34] <mrwes> TychoQuad, use the gnome device manager to find out your modem vendor and device ID then use modprobe to activate it
[13:34] <TychoQuad> yep, doing that now
[13:35] <mrwes> k
[13:35] <TychoQuad> fatal: module usbserial not found
[13:38] <TychoQuad> the dude in the guide just happens to have the same modem i do, and the information i have for it, device and vendor id are the same
[13:38] <mrwes> hrmm...it appears that module is built into the kernel now
[13:38] <mrwes> sigh
[13:38] <mrwes> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+question/65281
[13:40] <mrwes> that's the best I can come up with -- maybe they'll work on the bug soon :)
[13:41] <Trewas> I almost thought that ati's bad linux reputation was not warranted anymore, even compiz worked fine... until the third day when whole computer crashed when starting a video
[13:42] <TychoQuad> right, so they messed with the driver, and broke it in the process, so i need to wait for a kernel update where someone patches it?
[13:42] <Trewas> maybe I should go back to the open source driver and forget the bling
[13:43] <TychoQuad> if it really will work if the computer boots with it connected, that would be an acceptable workaround... but i of course would prefer it to work correctly :P
[13:43] <thiebaude> !x
[13:50] <coz_> still my monitor is going to sleep after about 15 minutes  with settings in powermanagement set to never  any solution?
[13:54] <wirechief> Trewas what ATI card ?
[13:55] <Trewas> wirechief: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3450, which is quite weird as this is a desktop (dell optiplex 760)
[13:56] <wirechief> Trewas there have been some work arounds not sure if they work for you ;) i have a X1300 and support for it is on the moon
[13:58] <Trewas> wirechief: this works with both the open source driver and fglrx but apparently the closed driver does not like xvideo
[13:58] <jamiejackson> where's networkmanager's applet in jaunty multi-user? i don't see it. if i try to run nm-applet i get "** (nm-applet:17126): WARNING **: <WARN>  applet_dbus_manager_start_service(): Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service as it is already taken.  Return: 3"
[13:59] <wirechief> Trewas maybe its a DRM issue for them ;)
[14:00] <jamiejackson> oh, hmm. looks like the first user who logged in has the nm-applet, even though she's a user and i'm an admin
[14:00] <thiebaude> my 9.04 install messed up again
[14:00] <wirechief> thiebaude:  No X system ?
[14:01] <jamiejackson> i'll ask #gnome
[14:02] <thiebaude> wirechief: yea, x freezes
[14:03] <the_eraser> hi what will be changed until the real release?
[14:03] <Pici> bugs
[14:03] <the_eraser> k
[14:03] <topyli> old bugs out, new bugs in!
[14:03] <the_eraser> :)
[14:04] <thiebaude> wirechief: i'am able to use blackbox
[14:04] <wirechief> thiebaude: did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   ?
[14:04] <thiebaude> wirechief: no
[14:04] <thiebaude> i'll try that
[14:05] <wirechief> thiebaude: well if you try just answer the defaults and maybe it might comeback
[14:05] <thiebaude> ok
[14:05] <wirechief> thiebaude: since its broke now it might help
[14:05] <thiebaude> kewl
[14:06] <thiebaude> Use kernel frambuffer, wirechief
[14:06] <wirechief> thiebaude: i wouldnt for the first attempt
[14:06] <thiebaude> ok
[14:07] <wirechief> thiebaude: is that a lappy your playing with ?
[14:07] <thiebaude> dell optiplex gx-150 desktop i815
[14:07] <slashdotfx> which udev rules should I modify to make plugged in usb sticks to have permission of 0640?
[14:07] <slashdotfx> btw, I'm running ltsp
[14:08] <thiebaude> wirechief: i just finished the reconfigure
[14:08] <wirechief> thiebaude did you startx
[14:09] <thiebaude> wirechief: in a terminal
[14:09] <thiebaude> ?
[14:09] <wirechief> thiebaude:  sure just say startx as user
[14:10] <thiebaude> ok, at the login prompt?
[14:10] <wirechief> loging user  then startx
[14:10] <thiebaude> wirechief: i dont understand?
[14:11] <thiebaude> ctrl f2
[14:11] <wirechief> thiebaude: well if you are in a terminal enter startx
[14:11] <ideasman42_> hifi, Im installing ubuntu jaunty rc alternative on i386 and its taking a LONG time on "scanning mirrors"
[14:12] <thiebaude> ok, here goes
[14:12] <ideasman42_> hi*
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:12] <ideasman42_> I switch to a terminal where its sating...
[14:13] <ideasman42_> apt-setup: Get 25: http//.....  Sources
[14:13] <jamiejackson> no dice on #gnome so i'll ask again: how do you get the nm-applet (network manager icon) on the second (or third, etc.) session's panel?
[14:14] <ideasman42_> ah, call off the search! - its working now :) ... still, was very long downloading mirrors
[14:14] <wirechief> ideasman42_: it does that.
[14:14] <ideasman42_> would be nice if there was an option not to
[14:15] <coz_> any news as to when nautilus  open dialog is going to speed up :) ?
[14:15] <ideasman42_> eg - if you have dialup
[14:15] <ideasman42_> ok. dialup over DHCP not likely, but slow internet
[14:15] <wirechief> ideasman42_: i know. i pulled the rj45 cable out ;)  it stopped its foolishness and finished
[14:15] <ideasman42_> wirechief, I did that also but it hung longer
[14:15] <ideasman42_> I expect if would give up after long enough
[14:15] <wirechief> ideasman42_: you got it mad
[14:16] <ideasman42_> any people who package stuff here?
[14:16] <mbeierl> jamiejackson: just noticed the question - what do you mean by "second session"?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> ideasman42_, the repositories/mirrors are set for your location , sometimes thay are much slower speedwise than the the 'Main" repository.That's why I switched to it
[14:16] <ideasman42_> or is there a place to go to request people package stuff?
[14:16] <Pici> !newpackage | ideasman42_
[14:17] <ideasman42_> hrm. I was hoping somebody else would do it :)
[14:17] <jamiejackson> mbeierl: looks like the first user to login gets the nm-applet. i, as the second user to log in, don't.
[14:17] <ideasman42_> I dont really have the energy to package this... though guess I could do a personal package
[14:17] <ideasman42_> Some nice fedora person did a package for us :)
[14:18] <mbeierl> jamiejackson: oh, ok I get the question now, and I don't know enough about that particular applet, but I would guess that it is a case of first one in, wins, because network management is not something that can easily be shared.  This is an interesting question wrt multiple users and how to share resources
[14:19] <Pici> ideasman42_: Theres a link there on requesting that something be packaged.
[14:21] <jamiejackson> mbeierl: seems to be not a perfect strategy, as now I can't vpn
[14:21] <jamiejackson> or at least not through nm-applet
[14:22] <mbeierl> jamiejackson: but then imagine: you do have a vpn, second user logs in and now gets to use your vpn connection, or disconnect it, or...
[14:22] <mbeierl> jamiejackson: I'm not saying that it is correct, I'm just saying that it is a challenging problem to consider for the actual devs...
[14:22] <jamiejackson> mbeierl: yeah, i thought about that
[14:23] <thiebaude> wirechief: i didn't work
[14:23] <eagles0513875> hey Pici
[14:23] <eagles0513875> what has taken the place of the linux-kernel-devel  package in intrepid
[14:24] <wirechief> thiebaude: what graphics card does it use ?
[14:24] <thiebaude> wirechief: i815
[14:24] <thiebaude> intel
[14:25] <thiebaude> i can use blackbox
[14:25] <wirechief> thiebaude can you paste  cat /var/log/xorg.0.log |grep "(EE)"  to a pastebin ?
[14:25] <thiebaude> ok
[14:26] <thiebaude> no such file or directory
[14:26] <ideasman42_> LP is giving me a very simple bug report form, nowhere can I select "Needs Packaging"
[14:27] <Pici> eagles0513875: I don't know
[14:27] <eagles0513875> ok Pici
[14:27] <wirechief> thiebaude can you paste  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep "(EE)"  to a pastebin ?
[14:27] <eagles0513875> was to be honest asking anyone in room
[14:27] <wirechief> its X not x
[14:28] <thiebaude> ok
[14:28] <topyli> eagles0513875: was there such a package at some time? i don't remember one
[14:28] <topyli> you have -headers and -source
[14:29] <eagles0513875> topyli: this site https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile says there was
[14:29] <cwillu> eagles0513875, kernel-package?
[14:29] <ideasman42_> anyone want to change this bug type to "Needs Packaging"? - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/362921
[14:29] <eagles0513875> cwillu: im looking for linux-kerel-devel according to that site
[14:30] <cwillu> eagles0513875, you want kernel-package
[14:30] <eagles0513875> ya
[14:30] <cwillu> eagles0513875, read the note
[14:30] <cwillu> """Note: the linux-kernel-devel package does not exist in intrepid"""
[14:31] <eagles0513875> cwillu: did the build dependencies and it didnt pull anything guess i have what i need already
[14:31] <Pici> ideasman42_: looks like its tagged with needs-packaging to me
[14:31] <thiebaude> it doesn't come up in a terminal ,wirechief
[14:31] <ideasman42_> ah, thaught you needed to set some special dropdown settnig
[14:33] <topyli> eagles0513875: apparently someone at least things there was one. not in any currently supported releases though
[14:33] <eagles0513875> topyli: its been removed in intrepid and found the part of the how to that i need to follow
[14:33] <topyli> eagles0513875: once you figure it out, fix the wiki
[14:34] <ideasman42_> wow, jaunty boots in 15sec on my laptop :)
[14:34] <topyli> eagles0513875: it's not even on dapper according to packages.ubuntu.com :\
[14:34] <eagles0513875> topyli: what i overlooked is already on the wicki on how to do
[14:34] <mbeierl> Anyone seeing large amounts of memory "in use" but not by any application in specific after suspend/resume cycles?
[14:34] <eagles0513875> topyli: dunno much bout anything prior to edgy is when i got on the kubuntu train
[14:34] <wirechief> thiebaude did you use sudo as a prefix ?
[14:35] <topyli> eagles0513875: ah sorry, searchfail. it did indeed exist
[14:35] <thiebaude> no, but what is the command again,
[14:35] <wirechief> thiebaude can you paste  sudo cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep "(EE)"  to a pastebin ?
[14:35] <eagles0513875> topyli: if you read the link it just got removed in intrepid
[14:35] <topyli> yes
[14:36] <thiebaude> ok
[14:36] <wirechief> !paste
[14:36] <CQ> wirechief: why not just grep "(EE)" /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? :)
[14:36] <topyli> it was just a metapackage that installed build-essential, git, rsync and ssh
[14:36] <wirechief> CQ that will work too
[14:36] <CQ> or sudo grep "(EE)" /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? :)
[14:37] <wirechief> CQ i would have to retrain my memory *g*
[14:37] <cwillu> wirechief, xorg.0.log is world readable, you don't need to sudo it
[14:37] <cwillu> CQ, you too :p
[14:37] <thiebaude> thiebaude@thiebaude-desktop:~$ sudo cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep "(EE)"
[14:37] <thiebaude> 	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[14:38] <CQ> maybe grep is set 600 ? :)
[14:38] <cwillu> CQ, if it was, you wouldn't be saying maybe
[14:38] <CQ> maybe not ... :)
[14:38] <cwillu> nor would your system be booting in all likelyhood :p
[14:38] <CQ> lol
[14:39] <thiebaude> i got 3 cd's here, now i got to decide which one to install
[14:39] <wirechief> cwillu: thiebaude is having problems getting X system to work
[14:39] <wirechief> cwillu he has intel i815
[14:39] <cwillu> he's always having trouble getting X to work
[14:39]  * cwillu checks the logs :p
[14:40] <cwillu> that said, thiebaude can you pastebin the entirety of /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[14:40] <thiebaude> ok
[14:40] <thiebaude> permission denied
[14:41] <cwillu> ?
[14:41] <thiebaude> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:41] <cwillu> that file really shouldn't be unreadable
[14:41] <cwillu> what command did you run?
[14:41] <CQ> thiebaude: paste ls -al /var/log/Xorg.0.log here ... should be one line
[14:41] <cwillu> pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:42] <cwillu> thiebaude, is this still re: 304871?
[14:42] <thiebaude> i think it is cwillu
[14:42] <thiebaude> 304871 says x freezes
[14:42] <OliverKrueger> HelloWorld
[14:42] <hifi> ATI Radeon 9600 Pro on Jaunty -> no DRI, anyone else having this problem?
[14:42] <thiebaude> i think i might stick to the LTS
[14:42] <cwillu> thiebaude, ah, you're one of those people commenting on bugs that are regarding a different chipset :p
[14:43] <cwillu> thiebaude, one sec, let me find the right bug for you :p
[14:43] <thiebaude> cwillu: yup
[14:43] <thiebaude> thanks cwillu
[14:43] <OliverKrueger> Are visual annoyances worth a bug report?
[14:43]  * wirechief gets bug jar out
[14:43] <cwillu> thiebaude, I'll still take your xorg.0.log though
[14:43] <cwillu> OliverKrueger, sure, why not?
[14:44] <cwillu> thiebaude, is it failing to come up at all, or is it just failing to come up with dri (acceleration) working?
[14:44] <thalias09> How can I help with the language/translation support in Kubuntu?
[14:44] <thiebaude> cwillu: after i log in then x freezes, but i can use blackbox
[14:45] <OliverKrueger> cwillu: I have a 2 monitor setup (twinview): minimizing Quassel via the systray icon an remaximizing it again replaces the window from the origin on the second monitor to the primary one.
[14:45] <bazhang> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ thalias09 may have info
[14:45] <cwillu> OliverKrueger, report it on bugs.launchpad.net though
[14:45] <OliverKrueger> ok
[14:45] <thalias09> bazhang, Good. I will there.
[14:46] <cwillu> thiebaude, is the normal session gnome or kde?
[14:46] <thalias09> s/I will there/I will look there/
[14:46] <cwillu> thiebaude, and please give me the output of:  sudo pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log; ls -l /var/log/pastebinit/Xorg* | pastebinit
[14:46] <thiebaude> cwillu: gnome
[14:46] <cwillu> thiebaude, compiz?
[14:46] <thiebaude> no,this card cant run compiz
[14:47] <thiebaude> got a link to pastbin?
[14:47]  * BUGabundo was going to make a question but this is packed today! latter maybe
[14:47] <cwillu> thiebaude, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[14:47] <thiebaude> ok thanks
[14:47] <cwillu> BUGabundo, I'm high on caffeine, shoot :)
[14:47] <BUGabundo> cwillu: humm can you ask the OPs to add pastebinit to the past factoid ?
[14:48] <BUGabundo> but that was another question, just because of your last reply
[14:48] <OliverKrueger> cwillu: ah, found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/103146 sorry for the interruption. :)
[14:48] <BUGabundo> Question: anyone knows of a batch app to normalize audio ? I use mp3gain on wine
[14:48] <cwillu> OliverKrueger, goodie :)
[14:48] <mbeierl> BUGabundo: sudo apt-get install mp3gain
[14:48] <cwillu> !paste
[14:49] <OliverKrueger> the bug is there since feisty... :-(
[14:49] <mbeierl> BUGabundo: or did you already know that?
[14:49] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: didn't know
[14:49] <cwillu> OliverKrueger, poke it, mark it as affecting you (at the top), mention that it's still an issue in jaunty, etc
[14:49] <thiebaude> where is pastebinit at?
[14:49] <BUGabundo> DUH
[14:50] <cwillu> thiebaude, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[14:50] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: thanks so much
[14:50] <cwillu> it's in the repository
[14:50] <thiebaude> cwillu: i did
[14:50] <OliverKrueger> cwillu: ACK
[14:50] <mbeierl> BUGabundo: I was using it under wine too (like about 2 years ago) and then "accidentally" typed it in without the wine in front, and voila, I "discovered" it was a native app :)
[14:50] <cwillu> thiebaude, okay, now run:  sudo pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log; ls -l /var/log/pastebinit/Xorg* | pastebinit
[14:50] <cwillu> the whole thing :p
[14:51] <thiebaude> thiebaude@thiebaude-desktop:~$ sudo pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log; ls -l /var/log/pastebinit/Xorg* | pastebinit
[14:51] <thiebaude> http://pastebin.com/f4ddfea6a
[14:51] <thiebaude> ls: cannot access /var/log/pastebinit/Xorg*: No such file or directory
[14:51] <thiebaude> You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[14:51] <cwillu> thiebaude, you didn't type what I typed
[14:51] <OliverKrueger> btw: I just installed Kubuntu 9.04 RC. looks great! good job! :)
[14:51] <cwillu> thiebaude, oops
[14:51] <cwillu> thiebaude, okay, now run:  sudo pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log; ls -l /var/log/Xorg* | pastebinit
[14:51] <cwillu> put an extra pastebinit in :p
[14:52] <thiebaude> http://pastebin.com/m5034823a
[14:52] <thiebaude> whew
[14:52] <cwillu> thiebaude, thanks :)
[14:52] <thiebaude> yuor welcome
[14:52] <cwillu> thiebaude, pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:52] <thiebaude> oh well
[14:53] <cwillu> always another pastebin :)
[14:53] <cwillu> thiebaude, are you in x right now?
[14:53] <thiebaude> in the terminal
[14:53] <cwillu> yes
[14:53] <thiebaude> ok
[14:54] <thiebaude> thiebaude@thiebaude-desktop:~$ pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:54] <thiebaude> http://pastebin.com/f5d2ee33b
[14:55] <cwillu> thiebaude, just the link will be fine :)
[14:55] <thiebaude> ok
[14:55] <cwillu> the hell?  how are you running xaa?
[14:55] <cwillu> one sec
[14:57] <thiebaude> ok, cwillu
[14:57]  * cwillu puzzles, he thought all intel's were using exa by default
[14:58] <ba5e> Hi all, installed Jaunty yesterday evening, I see there are new updates but update-manager is not coming up in the notification area
[14:58] <thiebaude> i prob have to edit xorg
[14:59] <httpdss> hmm strange redirection... tried joining kubuntu+1 and ended up in ubuntu+1, but im sure someone can help me out ... the problem is this, i solved some issue for nepomuk cuz it didint want to load sesame2 backend. that solved, when strigi starts indexing it says it will suspend because its affecting de resources... how can i force it to continue ??
[14:59] <cwillu> thiebaude, http://pastebin.com/d40f0b052
[14:59] <cwillu> thiebaude, lines 23 and 24, add to your xorg.conf, and then see if things fire up after you sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[15:00] <cwillu> httpdss, kubuntu+1 is ubuntu+1
[15:00] <thiebaude> ok thanks
[15:01] <thiebaude> what is the command to edit xorg?
[15:01] <thiebaude> sry
[15:01] <cwillu> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:01] <thiebaude> thanks cwillu, i'll let you know what happens
[15:02] <httpdss> cwillu: ohh there is no rivalry then ;) any idea on what can solve my issue ?
[15:03] <cwillu> httpdss, no idea, I run gnome :p
[15:04] <ideasman42_> thx guys, jaunty running fine now.
[15:04] <ba5e> cwillu: any idea about my update-manager? is there some cron job I shoud check?
[15:05] <httpdss> cwillu: hehe ok i was on that side untill yesterday
[15:05] <thiebaude> cwillu: i do i save the xorg
[15:05] <popey> ba5e: update notifier is disabled by default in jaunty
[15:05] <cwillu> thiebaude, bottom of the screen should show the commands to save
[15:06] <thiebaude> ok
[15:06] <cwillu> ^=ctrl
[15:06] <ba5e> popey: ahh hehe! this is new behaviour for pre release versions isn't it?
[15:06] <popey> ba5e: you can manually start update manager from the system -> administration menu
[15:06] <popey> ba5e: no, new behaviour for 9.04
[15:06] <mrwes_> er
[15:06] <mrwes_> anyone seeing issues with Evince when scrolling through PDF's?
[15:06] <cwillu> ba5e, update manager window will open automatically once a week if there's normal updates, and once a day for security updates
[15:06] <cwillu> in the background though
[15:06] <mrwes_> doubling, tripling tesxt, etc
[15:07] <ba5e> popey: I suppose it stops everyone breaking their systems at once
[15:07] <thiebaude> i cant exit xorg
[15:07] <thiebaude> cwillu: if i exit the terminal will it save it
[15:08] <cwillu> thiebaude, WriteOut
[15:08] <thiebaude> ok
[15:08] <thiebaude> i do ctrl w and it doesn't work
[15:08] <ba5e> thiebaude: ctrl x
[15:08] <ba5e> oops
[15:08] <ba5e> no ctrl o
[15:08] <cwillu> thiebaude, did you sudo nano, or just nano?
[15:09] <thiebaude> nano
[15:09] <cwillu> thiebaude, look at the bottom:
[15:09] <thiebaude> ok
[15:09] <ba5e> CTRL O then CTRL X
[15:09] <ba5e> damn jaunty is snappy :)
[15:09] <cwillu> thiebaude, two rows of entries, one of them says "WriteOut", and the key next to it is "^O", meaning Ctrl-O :p
[15:09] <mvo> ba5e: re update-manger: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes#Change in notifications of available updates
[15:10] <thiebaude> ok its saved
[15:10] <cwillu> Everyone who thinks nano is the super easy terminal editor take note:  "Write Out" is _not_ intuitive :p
[15:10] <thiebaude> i'll restart
[15:10] <B_Lizzard_> OK, I have an issue with a couple of the hotkeys on my IBM Thinkpad R50e
[15:11] <B_Lizzard_> I originally installed 9.04 Beta
[15:11] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: no gui for mp3gain?
[15:11] <ba5e> cheers mvo
[15:11] <Tetsuooo> hey, do you think upgrading without formatting will work well?
[15:12] <B_Lizzard_> Without updating, all hotkeys worked fine, including the nice graphical popups in gnome
[15:12] <Tetsuooo> because last time i updated to 8.10 it messed up my ubuntu and created a lot of strange bugs
[15:12] <B_Lizzard_> Updating a while later, the volume up/down, mute and brightness up/down keys no longer produce key events in Linux
[15:13] <BluesKaj> Tetsuooo, updating to jaunty went very well for me. It's more stable than 8.10 on my setup.
[15:13] <B_Lizzard_> The functionality is there, provided by the BIOS, but no events produced whatsoever
[15:13] <B_Lizzard_> I followed the Hotkeys/Troubleshooting tutorial on the wiki
[15:13] <B_Lizzard_> No events under input-events or acpi_listen
[15:15] <B_Lizzard_> This could be a bug introduced with whatever kernel update was available on the 12th of April over the Beta release.
[15:16] <cwillu> B_Lizzard_, file a bug on http://bugs.launchpad.net
[15:19] <doktoreas> hello everybody
[15:21] <cwillu> BUGabundo, you suppose thiebaude's coming back?
[15:21] <B_Lizzard_> Is there any way I can verify this claim?
[15:21] <Lint02> I cannot shutdown or reboot
[15:21] <cwillu> B_Lizzard_, running the kernel from immediately before the update would be some evidence
[15:22] <Kavindu> hey, u kno wat guys, the problem is FIXED!!!!!!
[15:23] <cwillu> BUGabundo, soundconverter will do normalization via mp3gain
[15:23] <cwillu> gnome app
[15:23] <cwillu> mbeierl, ^^^
[15:23] <cwillu> or maybe that was soundkonverter
[15:24] <cwillu> one or the other :p
[15:24] <doktoreas> I have got a problem with mail-notification..the pop up is not in the standard notification area, but as a window in the middle of the screen
[15:25] <B_Lizzard_> Unfortunately I have cleared my apt cache, is there any place where I can find a timeline of updates?
[15:25] <B_Lizzard_> For download,that is
[15:27] <doktoreas> anyone using mail-notification with jaunty?
[15:28] <ripnode4> i have 3gb of ram what size should my swap be, its a laptop.
[15:30] <cwillu> ripnode4, if you want to use hibernation, it should probably be at least 3gb
[15:31] <cwillu> doesn't _have_ to be, but the system won't be able to hibernate if you've got more ram allocated than you have swap to back it
[15:33] <ripnode4> cwillu: thanky ou
[15:34] <canen_> even though I upgraded my kernel is still at .27, in fact it is the only one on the system
[15:34] <canen_> anyone know why this is?
[15:36] <canen_> no one?
[15:37] <ripnode4> if I install RC will I be able to upgrade to final?
[15:37] <wirechief> ripnode4: I would think so.
[15:38] <canen_> ripnode4: yes
[15:38] <canen_> strange it is telling me
[15:38] <canen_> And the whole google comparison is obviously fallacious.  I thought you were looking for a batch utility...
[15:43] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: sure, ill work with cli too lolol
[15:43] <BUGabundo> but this one is missing some options
[15:44] <mbeierl> BUGabundo: I always used it in a shell script that scraped directories looking for mp3s... what's missing?
[15:45] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: yep. that's what im doing
[15:45] <BUGabundo> for FOO done
[15:45] <mbeierl> yep
[15:45] <BUGabundo> but no MAX gain per file, as far as I can see
[15:45] <mbeierl> I've lost the script now...
[15:45] <mbeierl> oh
[15:45] <B_Lizzard_> Where can I find older updates in order to test my claims?
[15:46] <B_Lizzard_> Say, the kernel version used in Ubuntu 9.04 Beta
[15:46] <mbeierl> BUGabundo:  -x - Only find max. amplitude of mp3?
[15:46] <BUGabundo> not find, apply
[15:47] <BUGabundo> soundkonverter looks nice... thanks for the tip cwillu
[15:47] <henux> the Ubuntu 9.04 Alternate i386 cd image seems to be corrupted or something. I have tried to burn it to a CD via wodim multiple times but it always ends up containing buffer I/O errors. Anyone else have had this problem?
[15:47] <BUGabundo> henux: have you checked the MD5 sum?
[15:48] <henux> yes they match
[15:48] <henux> the error is always at the same position
[15:48] <BUGabundo> try another programa?
[15:48] <BUGabundo> or put to USBpen drive?
[15:48] <henux> dmesg reports logical blocks 175580-89
[15:49] <henux> BUGabundo: how do i put it to a usb pendrive?
[15:49] <henux> BUGabundo: at this moment i am not running ubuntu
[15:50] <BUGabundo> ahh
[15:50] <BUGabundo> stupid idea
[15:50] <ienorand> henux: unetbootin for windows
[15:50] <BUGabundo> use Wubi to install?
[15:50] <BUGabundo> or portableubuntu to run usb-creator
[15:50] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[15:50] <BUGabundo> btw portableubuntu can be upgraded to jaunty and works!
[15:51] <henux> ienorand: not windows either, another linux distro
[15:51] <ienorand> henux: Ah, apologies.
[15:52] <ienorand> henux: And unetbooting don't happen to be available for that one? ""Packages available: Ubuntu Debian openSUSE Gentoo""
[15:52] <BUGabundo> humm stuck then?
[15:53] <henux> yeah this happens to have unetbootin
[15:53] <henux> can you give me link to instructions of how to use it in this case?
[15:53] <xolve> Does dektop effects work on intel 845 graphics chip?
[15:54] <xolve> Does dektop effects work in Jaunty on intel 845 graphics chip?
[15:54] <ienorand> henux: It's pretty much a graphical app afaik, just choose iso or let it auto-download it for you?
[15:54] <henux> ok
[15:55] <henux> i will try that
[15:55] <shadeslayer> ienorand: um,unetbootin talk?? it doesnt work too well
[15:55] <ienorand> shadeslayer: How so, (I haven't used it on ubuntu...)
[15:56] <shadeslayer> ienorand: um well ill just say the inbuilt USB installer on the live disk is way better,i think unetbootin has a problem with its boot loader,didnt work for me :(
[15:58] <JMFTheVCI> shadeslayer: The USB-Creator works for me everytime
[15:58] <ienorand> shadeslayer: Hmm, I've only ever used it on windows... and then it worked fine... imo the inbuilt one is kind of bad as well... you often end up having to do manual steps in gparted...
[15:58] <shadeslayer> me too ;)
[15:59] <shadeslayer> ienorand: ive used it on jaunty and intrepid,it worked both times
[16:00] <ienorand> For me, at many points it refused to continue until I had reformatted in gparted...
[16:00] <shadeslayer> JMFTheVCI: uh,is the hot keys package broken again?
[16:05] <Newbee> hello
[16:05] <shadeslayer> !hi | Newbee
[16:05] <xolve> hi
[16:05] <xolve> Does dektop effects work in Jaunty on intel 845 graphics chip?
[16:05] <Newbee> I have kubuntu jaunty installed, but I cannot activate the desktop effects in the system settings. I am using HD2600mobile with fglrx
[16:05] <BluesKaj> !intel
[16:05] <shadeslayer> xolve: i *think* there is a problem witht that chip
[16:06] <JMFTheVCI> shades: The hot keys are not broken per-se. It just needs a single config line added.
[16:06] <xolve> shadeslayer, still!
[16:06] <xolve> !intel
[16:06] <shadeslayer> JMFTheVCI: which is?
[16:06] <JMFTheVCI> two sec.
[16:06] <shadeslayer> sure
[16:06] <xolve> shadeslayer, it says this different. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes#Performance regressions on Intel graphics cards
[16:06] <shadeslayer> xolve: lemme check that for you
[16:07] <shadeslayer> yeah thats the link
[16:07] <JMFTheVCI> shadeslayer: echo 'xkeymap.nokeycodeMap = true' > ~/.vmware/config
[16:07] <xolve> shadeslayer, well it says it does *work* i want to ask real users
[16:07] <shadeslayer> xolve: ok,i get yout point
[16:08] <shadeslayer> JMFTheVCI: uh,no such file
[16:08] <xolve> So, anybody here using intel 845 graphics chip?
[16:08] <JMFTheVCI> shadeslayer: see this as well http://communities.vmware.com/message/1091425
[16:09] <JMFTheVCI> is can also go in /etc/vmware/config which makes it global
[16:09] <JMFTheVCI> this works for Player/Workstation/Server
[16:10] <beuh> The RC version of Ubuntu 9.04 is available only in DVD or it exists a CD version ?
[16:10] <canen_> anyone else haveing problems with their kernel failing to update?
[16:10] <perlsyntax> where can i download the ubuntu 9.04 Release Candidate?
[16:10] <shadeslayer> JMFTheVCI: well i had 6 levels of brightness earlier,now i have 3
[16:10] <shadeslayer> perlsyntax: read the topic
[16:11] <perlsyntax> ok
[16:11] <xangua> beuh: cd, dvd choose the one you like
[16:11] <JMFTheVCI> shades: Levels of brighness on what?
[16:11] <shadeslayer> JMFTheVCI: my laptop screen
[16:11] <beuh> xangua, ty
[16:11] <JMFTheVCI> on my laptop I think I have over 20 shades from full-on to off.
[16:12]  * canen_ guesses that's  a no
[16:12] <gravityreloaded> hello everyone
[16:12] <shadeslayer> JMFTheVCI: ah,well my hardware supports only 6,evin windowsen
[16:12] <shadeslayer> *even in windows
[16:12] <gravityreloaded> I have success story
[16:12] <JMFTheVCI> canen: there were updates today that applied ok for me
[16:12] <gravityreloaded> :p
[16:12] <gravityreloaded> online with janty
[16:13] <gravityreloaded> and mobile connection
[16:13] <canen_> JMFTheVCI: they seem to apply ok but .27 is still the only one in grub
[16:13] <shadeslayer> gravityreloaded: congrats :)
[16:13] <gravityreloaded> not easy
[16:13] <gravityreloaded> for a newbie like me
[16:13] <gravityreloaded> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2d1v3pw&s=5
[16:13] <canen_> and i keep getting some dkms error with fglrx, which i don't have install anymore
[16:13] <gravityreloaded> screenshot
[16:13] <JMFTheVCI> shadeslayer:  I have two bits of Ubuntu kit. Lenovo T61 (about 15 clicks) Samsung NC10 (20 clicks)
[16:13] <gravityreloaded> haven't done compiz yet
[16:14] <BUGabundo> yay another memory leak. now in gnome search tool
[16:14] <BUGabundo> let me nag seb128
[16:15] <canen_> is it ok for me to just delete everything under /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/ or am i just asking for trouble?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> notify-osd + KDE = one bad combination ;)
[16:16] <BUGabundo> shadeslayer: yes
[16:16] <JMFTheVCI> I tried KDE for about 15 minutes and that was enough.
[16:17] <christian_lappy> hi guys
[16:17] <shadeslayer> JMFTheVCI: so did your screen support 20 levels of brightness earlier?
[16:17] <BUGabundo> christian_lappy: hi
[16:18] <JMFTheVCI> Yes. I actually think the levels increased when I upgraded from8.10 to 9.4 on monday.
[16:18] <christian_lappy> BUGabundo: can t upgrade to 9.p04 ..sudo do-release-upgrade -d gives me ..
[16:18] <BUGabundo> why do ppl insist in using SUDO for updatemanager??
[16:18] <gravityreloaded> christian_lappy:  best is install from ISO
[16:18] <christian_lappy> BUGabundo: hash sum mismatch ..aborting
[16:18] <shadeslayer> JMFTheVCI: well i had 6 on 8.10 as well,im updating right now as well,55 updates :O
[16:18] <gravityreloaded> I used the alpha distro
[16:18] <gravityreloaded> but new one nearly out
[16:18] <gravityreloaded> :)
[16:19] <BUGabundo> christian_lappy: humm please pastebin your sources.list
[16:19] <christian_lappy> BUGabundo: i paste the complete error message
[16:19] <BUGabundo> gravityreloaded: weren't you just now on PT?
[16:19] <gravityreloaded> www.futuredesktop.com will answer a lot of your questions
[16:19] <gravityreloaded> yes
[16:19] <JMFTheVCI> shadeslayer: I have everyupdate there is on now. I have cleaned off every bit of dross and all older kernels and rebooted. Sweet!
[16:19] <BUGabundo> christian_lappy: you are new to this , right?
[16:20] <christian_lappy> BUGabundo: nah, did that from 8.04 to 8.10
[16:20] <gravityreloaded> clean install is always best :p
[16:20] <christian_lappy> BUGabundo: using linux for years :-)
[16:20] <BUGabundo> gravityreloaded: please stop the nonence, ok?
[16:20] <BUGabundo> christian_lappy: then you should be able to pastebin your sources.list
[16:20] <BUGabundo> without further help!
[16:20] <shadeslayer> btw any kubuntu guys here?? i wanted to point out a bug,when i switch on my wifi the network manager says wlan0 disconnected
[16:20] <gravityreloaded> BUGabundo: ? did I do something wrong - making useful suggestions
[16:21] <cwillu> shadeslayer, bugs.launchpad.net is a better place to report bugs :p
[16:21] <cwillu> gravityreloaded, , upgrades are completely supported in ubuntu
[16:21] <christian_lappy> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/m472064fa
[16:21] <cwillu> suggesting that people wipe their machines and reinstall isn't useful
[16:21] <BUGabundo> gravityreloaded: ordering a user to reinstall is not helping
[16:21] <shadeslayer> cwillu: just wanted to ask if people had the same problem
[16:21] <gravityreloaded> I tell u I'm on jaunty with mobile internet, unlike many here and I tell u it's the easest way
[16:21]  * BUGabundo shares cwillu brain wave
[16:21] <cwillu> shadeslayer, trust me :)
[16:21] <christian_lappy> BUGabundo: i found that a bug was filed against this problem, but it says fixed and it isnt for me
[16:22] <gravityreloaded> u try it see how far u get
[16:22] <BUGabundo> christian_lappy: come on!!! /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:22] <cwillu> shadeslayer, start filing the bug, it'll do a search based on your bug title, and show a list of possible duplicates
[16:22] <christian_lappy> BUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/358893
[16:22] <BUGabundo> I don't have much time to help you
[16:22] <cwillu> shadeslayer, more reliable than hoping the right person happens to be around :)
[16:22] <ikonia> gravityreloaded: cut it out please.
[16:22] <flox> canen_: yes, you can
[16:22] <gravityreloaded> I'm not saying I know more than u guys but I'm getting there
[16:22] <flox> canen_: it should clear the error
[16:22] <gravityreloaded> why u insulting me?
[16:22] <canen_> flox: cool, will do
[16:23]  * gravityreloaded is now offended :(
[16:23] <Belboz991> Hey all, having issues getting an nvidia driver to load, whether using restricted drivers manager or envyng.   The module is not listed as available, any ideas?
[16:23] <cwillu> gravityreloaded, my desktop's been upgraded from 4.10.  My laptop's been upgraded from 7.04.  Most of the machines I administer are running 6.06 upgraded to 8.04
[16:23] <ikonia> gravityreloaded: I'm not, I'm asking you to just think about what you suggest to people as THEIR (not your) best option
[16:23] <canen_> flox: stuff in /usr/src/fglrx can go as well?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> Belboz991: did you update the install,theres a bug in the beta ISO
[16:23] <christian_lappy> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/m7515ad56
[16:23] <gravityreloaded> ikonia: ye no-one HAS to follow my instructions anyway
[16:24] <gravityreloaded> ikonia: maybe I'm unwanted here
[16:24] <Belboz991> shadeslayer: just did an apt-get dist-upgrade about 10 minutes ago
[16:24] <ikonia> gravityreloaded: cut the self pity please
[16:24] <flox> canen_: normally you should use command "dkms remove ..."
[16:24] <cwillu> gravityreloaded, it's one thing to suggest a reinstall when it's clear the user has nothing to lose, and has gotten their system wedged into a state that may take many hours to sort out.  But it's quite another to suggest is as casually as you have
[16:24] <BUGabundo> christian_lappy: thanks. comment all 3rd party repos (like PPAs) and the partner
[16:24] <gravityreloaded> k
[16:24] <gravityreloaded> bye everyone
[16:24] <ikonia> bye
[16:25] <gravityreloaded> gotta go
[16:25] <canen_> flox: now you tell me :) . just deleted it
[16:25] <JMFTheVCI> gravityreloaded: The ubuntu team do a lot of work to ensure that upgrades work. This gets more focus than clean installs.
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Belboz991: hmm,well when i installed the beta,i had to wait for 10min and after that i would be able to see the driver
[16:25] <Belboz991> basically, when I try to manually load the driver (sudo modprobe nv *autocomplete*) it fails to list the nvidia driver, only nvidia-agp, nvidiafb, and nvram. :/
[16:25] <gravityreloaded> right
[16:25] <flox> canen_: i just read the documentation "dkms remove -m <module> -v <module-version> --all"
[16:25] <Belboz991> and of course, X fails to load
[16:25] <gravityreloaded> _o_
[16:25] <ikonia> gravityreloaded: stop
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Belboz991: wow
[16:25] <BUGabundo> christian_lappy: then try to upgrade again, without sudo
[16:26] <flox> canen_: but if you remove manually, it should be ok too
[16:26] <canen_> flox: didn't know there was a command until just now
[16:27] <koomi> lo
[16:27] <BUGabundo> ikonia: I'll talk to him
[16:27] <ikonia> BUGabundo: don't worry - nothing to talk about
[16:27] <koomi> i just upgraded to jaunty and expected to see those nifty notifications. did i miss something?
[16:27] <Belboz991> shadeslayer: should I at this juncture be attempting to compile a binary driver direct from Nvidia?
[16:27] <aspoor> ok does this version use cloud computing
[16:27] <koomi> looks pretty intrepid'ish here.
[16:27] <cwillu> koomi, have you rebooted yet?
[16:27] <Belboz991> koomi: I've had similar results
[16:27] <koomi> cwillu: :) sure
[16:27] <cwillu> koomi, stock gnome?
[16:27] <xangua> koomi: you need to have notify.osd installed
[16:28] <ikonia> Belboz991: the modules from nvidia are pre-compiled, you don't have to build them
[16:28] <koomi> notify-osd is installed, nofify-send gives me standard intrepid bubbles
[16:28] <ikonia> Belboz991: I wouldn't suggest using the nvidia.com ones unless you have a very good reason
[16:28] <xangua> have you restarted, closed session ¿ koomi ¿?
[16:28] <koomi> xangua: jep.
[16:28] <christian_lappy> BUGabundo: without sudo ? ok...
[16:28] <aspoor> should I try to install this?
[16:28] <koomi> cwillu: pulled in via ubuntu-desktop
[16:28] <canen_> flox: error gone. now just need to deal with the vboxnetflt one
[16:28] <shadeslayer> Belboz991: gnome i guess?? connect to the internet,wait for 15 min,open the restricted hardware installer and report if it searches for the drivers
[16:29] <BUGabundo> ok back to work. ping me if anyone needs me
[16:29] <BUGabundo> and cwillu don't you dare poke just for fun
[16:29] <xangua> koomi: try unnistalling Notification Daemon
[16:29]  * cwillu gets the stick out and points it menacingly at BUGabundo
[16:29] <xangua> maybe the upgrade didn't remove it
[16:29]  * BUGabundo ignores cwillu
[16:30] <koomi> xangua: was there.
[16:30] <koomi> i brb
[16:30] <flox> canen_: dkms remove -m vboxnetflt -v 2.2.0
[16:31] <flox> canen_: :)
[16:31] <canen_> flox: did that, received some errors
[16:31] <shadeslayer> um can anyone help me with my brightness hotkeys?
[16:31] <canen_> flox: bad conf file
[16:31] <flox> ha... maybe --force
[16:32] <flox> canen_:
[16:32] <canen_> flox: same
[16:33] <flox> canen_: rm is the last choice, maybe
[16:33] <flox> or
[16:33] <corinth> Is anyone else getting weird characters in places such as password fields in programs and some other things in the RC?
[16:33] <flox> canen_: remove vboxnet before, maybe ?
[16:34] <flox> canen_: i mean vboxdrv
[16:34] <ellar> anyone having same phenomene: scrambled / static sound after login if using ubuntu login sound from administration ->sounds an having gnome sound activated under 'gnome login manager'(don't know exactly is german here)! Could someone test that?
[16:34] <canen_> flox: manually specifying the conf file seems to work
[16:34] <canen_> it was looking in the wrong placce
[16:34] <flox> ok
[16:34] <ellar> And when you deactivate gnome login sound it works all perfectly!
[16:34] <DG19075> passwords are good here but no root terminal
[16:35] <shadeslayer> arrgh how do i disable this annoying system beep
[16:36] <DG19075> the launcher doesn't link
[16:36] <flox> shadeslayer: rmmod pcspkr
[16:36] <corinth> I'm getting weird characters in odd places in the RC. Using 64-bit. http://i44.tinypic.com/23h4z78.png
[16:36] <flox> shadeslayer: sudo rmmod pcspkr
[16:37] <shadeslayer> :P doesnt work
[16:37] <DG19075> how to re link the launcher to the app?
[16:37] <canen_> all clean now, except still only .27 listed in grub and why the hell is nvidia stuff installed?
[16:37] <flox> shadeslayer: which error do you have ?
[16:37] <flox> shadeslayer: you typed the command in a Terminal ?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> flox: no error,still get the sound
[16:38] <ondisk> pcspkr in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist!
[16:38] <shadeslayer> flox: obviously
[16:38] <canen_> anyone know why nvidia-common would be installed when i am using ati?
[16:39] <Pici> canen_: Because it only contains things for detecting nvidia cards, its a very small package iirc.
[16:39] <flox> shadeslayer ondisk: but if the "sudo rmmod pcspkr" do nothing, no need to blacklist it
[16:39] <canen_> Pici: ok, i can live with that
[16:39] <shadeslayer> flox: no idea,i still have the pcspkr beeping away
[16:39] <flox> shadeslayer: blacklisting pcspkr is required to disable speaker sound permanently
[16:40] <shadeslayer> flox: so i removed it and.....
[16:40] <flox> shadeslayer: i guess that you do not find "pcspkr" in the list of modules : lsmod |grep pcspkr
[16:40] <ondisk> system beep should really be disabled by default. it totally annoying.
[16:41] <shadeslayer> flox: nothing there
[16:41] <canen_> isn't there suppose to be a grub-update command?
[16:42] <flox> shadeslayer: are you sure it is the "system sound", not something else ? when do you hear it ?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> when pressing backspace in empathy,when there is nothing in the box
[16:43] <flox> shadeslayer: look at the preferences of empathy, maybe ...
[16:43] <ienorand> How do I do a "boot from local harddisk in grub menu.lst"? I boot grub from usb an want to pass it on to local hd boot.
[16:43] <flox> shadeslayer: it happens on the terminal too ? when you press some letters and press "Tab" key ?
[16:43] <corinth> shadeslayer: I've had that problem for the last three releases. There is a workaround somewhere that tells you how to disable the system beep.
[16:44] <shadeslayer> flox: nothing in terminal,silent as hell
[16:44] <corinth> shadeslayer: I get it in empathy and pidgin
[16:44] <shadeslayer> empathy is still giving me a headache
[16:44] <flox> shadeslayer: maybe try the tip given by ondisk
[16:45] <DG19075> root terminal still is out here
[16:45] <flox> shadeslayer:  put a file in /etc/modprobe.d/custom.conf with "blacklist pcspkr" inside
[16:45] <ikonia> DG19075: what ?
[16:45] <flox> shadeslayer: then reboot
[16:45] <ondisk> also, you can try to disable alert sounds in system, preferences, sound
[16:45] <corinth> shadeslayer: http://www.foogazi.com/2008/05/01/how-to-disable-the-system-beep-in-ubuntu/
[16:45] <ellar> please can anyone check which file is set in the 'login window manager' under Administration for successfully logged in?
[16:45]  * shadeslayer is bombarded with info
[16:45] <flox> shadeslayer: maybe it is taken into account on boot only
[16:46] <corinth> Better than not getting any responses. :-P
[16:46] <DG19075> when I click the root terminal in this jaunty install, it doesn't come up. i get the gksu password request fine, tho
[16:47] <DG19075> then nothing
[16:47] <DG19075> all else seems to be fine
[16:48] <DG19075> wonders if anyone else has this problem
[16:51] <Mark_Milliman> If this is a RC then why isn't root terminal working?
[16:51] <Pici> Because its probably a bug.
[16:52]  * canen_ it's update-grup not grub-update
[16:52] <Pici> DG19075: Looks like someone else is having that problem ^ a bug should be logged for it.
[16:52] <xangua> root terminal works for me Mark_Milliman
[16:52] <xangua> sudo, su and gksu
[16:52] <canen_> same thing, seems i need to update it manually
[16:53] <Pici> xangua: I believe they mean the launcher called root terminal.
[16:53] <Mark_Milliman> Yes the launcher
[16:55] <Azalar> Anyone know if the evolution in jaunty supports exchange 2007 yet?
[17:00] <ngranek> the new notifications system keeps showing the notifications on the top-right corner of the screen, even when I move the pannel to the bottom
[17:00] <ngranek> is that a known issue?
[17:00] <Mark_Milliman> I tried gksu gnome-terminal and that does not work either
[17:01] <Mark_Milliman> gksu works for other things like gedit
[17:01] <canen_> damn, quassel is slooow
[17:02] <canen_> ok, i think this grub menu.list not updating is a bug
[17:03] <canen_> if you remove menu.lst and run update-grub it picks up the new kernel but not otherwise
[17:07] <cy6|siMN> Anyone here got any problems accesing harddrives in Ubuntu 9.04? i have installed the beta, and formatted the drive into ext3 with gparted. And i cant access it, When i dubbleclick it inside my "Computer" window nothing happens, Anyone had any similare problem and found a solution?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> ok guys bye,ill get back to the pcspkr problem later
[17:09] <corinth> I'm getting weird characters in odd places in the RC. Using 64-bit. http://i44.tinypic.com/23h4z78.png
[17:12] <cy6|siMN> Anyone here got any problems accesing harddrives in Ubuntu 9.04? i have installed the beta, and formatted the drive into ext3 with gparted. And i cant access it, When i dubbleclick it inside my "Computer" window nothing happens, Anyone had any similare problem and found a solution?
[17:12] <canen_> seem to be a known issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/202009
[17:13] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[17:13]  * canen_ goes off to do some work
[17:16] <solsTiCe> hi. i got a problem when upgrading 8.10 to 9.04 i am still runinng the old kernel (from 8.10) how do i force the creation of new entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst for the new kernel ? i already tried to reinstall grub or linux-image and nothing
[17:16] <cy6|siMN> canen_ and ubottu were your replies to me?
[17:17] <Pici> cy6|siMN: ubottu is a bot. It parses bug links.
[17:17] <BUGabundo> cy6|siMN: ubottu is a bot.. not a person
[17:17] <canen_> cy6|siMN: no, sorry
[17:17] <eagles0513875> hey guys im having an issue with fakeroot when i issue this command
[17:17] <solsTiCe> my problem seems related to bug #185878 still not fixed
[17:17] <cy6|siMN> I am sorry, new to this place ;)
[17:18] <eagles0513875> anyone know why with this CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic i get an error when it says /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 176 debian/rules no such file or directory
[17:18] <BUGabundo> cy6|siMN: no prob.feel welcome
[17:18] <cy6|siMN> i do, but i still can figure out why i cant access my hard drive after making it to ext3
[17:19] <uffo> Why kubuntu 9.04 rc still cannot connect to wpa2 network, how i can force it to connect wpa2
[17:19] <BUGabundo> cy6|siMN: please pastebin : $ sudo fdisk -l
[17:19] <BUGabundo> and $ mount
[17:19] <hggdh> eagles0513875, because there is no such file called 'debian/rules'
[17:19] <BUGabundo>  !paste | cy6|siMN
[17:19] <SwedeMike> uffo: I'm connected right now via WPA2.
[17:19] <cy6|siMN> could we do this private? i didnt understand
[17:20] <BUGabundo> cy6|siMN: I'm a bit busy
[17:20] <cy6|siMN> ok ill try
[17:20] <uffo> SwedeMike: with default installed rc ??
[17:20] <BUGabundo> I can just do high touch stuff
[17:20] <BUGabundo> maybe another member can help you ?
[17:20] <SwedeMike> uffo: well, I've been using it since alpha2 and it's been working all along.
[17:20] <BUGabundo> uffo: on gnome I connect to it every day
[17:20] <eagles0513875> hggdh: can you clarify the command that i pasted above from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[17:21] <uffo> SwedeMike: but network connector do not show wpa2 option, does it still should connect?
[17:21] <SwedeMike> uffo: works for me, I just click on my network and it connects. I don't specify anything at all.
[17:22] <uffo> SwedeMike: and you are using wpa2 security
[17:22] <uffo> SwedeMike: Sorry whops, kubuntu
[17:22] <hggdh> eagles0513875, you have to be under the correct directory
[17:22] <cy6|siMN> BUGabundo http://paste.ubuntu.com/152881/
[17:23] <uffo> SwedeMike: kubuntu is my rc
[17:23] <SwedeMike> uffo: hm, sorry, I didnt realise kubuntu was different from regular ubuntu in this fashion. My connection manager says wpa/wpa2, but my AP is set to wpa2 only.
[17:23] <eagles0513875> hggdh: is that what fakeroot does takes you to the directory under root
[17:24] <BUGabundo> cy6|siMN: $ sudo mkdir /mnt/disk1 ; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/disk1
[17:24] <uffo> SwedeMike: kubuntu cannot still connect to wpa2 and i do not know how to force it
[17:24] <BUGabundo> and report any probs
[17:24] <ellar> hello jaunty testers could anyone comment on Bug #360114? Really annoying and we're in RC!
[17:24] <hggdh> eagles0513875, no, fakeroot -- literally -- fakes a root login
[17:24] <ienorand> If I boot grub from a usb, is it supposed to see the usb as hd0 (going against the naming convention used by ubuntu and making the entries for other os-s in menu.lst invalid [can be edited to correct])?
[17:25] <eagles0513875> hggdh: im starting to notice that
[17:25] <BUGabundo> uffo: please pastebin $ nm-tool
[17:26] <uffo> BUGabundo: i use big computer, laptop is offline from net
[17:26] <BUGabundo> uffo: take a picture or transcript
[17:26] <BUGabundo> any thing... just need to see if it sees wpa2
[17:26] <cy6|siMN> BUGabundo i cant see it on my "Computer" but when i run the command again in terminal i get an /dev/sda1 already mounted ; avvording to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt/disk1
[17:27] <BUGabundo> why should it be on "computer" ?
[17:27] <BUGabundo> its on /media as suppoed
[17:27] <hggdh> eagles0513875, you have to be under the source directory
[17:27] <cy6|siMN> What does that mean?
[17:27] <eagles0513875> hggdh: i am
[17:28] <BUGabundo> cy6|siMN: what?
[17:28] <BUGabundo> uffo: so is it ?
[17:28] <ActionParsnip> cy6|siMN: cd /mnt/disk1; ls
[17:29] <uffo> BUGabundo: takes time because without nv gpu driver it is hell slow
[17:29] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: I don't see it in his mount
[17:29] <Naynay> Looks like the AMD/ATI driver is broken
[17:29] <BUGabundo> to run just a nm-tool ?
[17:29] <Naynay> I upgraded to RC1 from the beta install CD
[17:29] <BUGabundo> /dev/sdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro) []
[17:29] <BUGabundo> duh its there
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: mount says its mounted
[17:29] <Naynay> then installed the propritary driver
[17:30] <BUGabundo> I'm too tired for this
[17:30] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:30] <Naynay> rebooted into CLI mode, with X reporting dead
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: i got yo bak
[17:30] <cy6|siMN> BUGabundo i understood it now thank you :), Just a last question, is it possible for me to get the disk shown as a partition just like "file system" HD is? or do i have to mount it into the filesystem?
[17:30] <Naynay> I have two ATI 3870 in Crossfire
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> cy6|siMN: label the partition and it will
[17:30] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: thanks! handle hime for me....
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> !label  cy6|siMN
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: np
[17:31] <ctx144k> hello all
[17:31] <cy6|siMN> ActionParsnip ubottu • Sorry, I don't know anything about label cy6
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> !label | cy6|siMN
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> cy6|siMN: use label and its mount point will be intelligent
[17:31] <uffo> BUGabundo: wait maybe i do not need this, you want to know do my wireless supports wpa2 right? if then yes it supports and ubuntu works fine with wpa2
[17:31] <Hystoriker> hi all. i have a problem with the latest kubuntu 9.04 RC. I try to connect to my router via WLAN, the plasmoid shows me the available accesspoints. I press my AP, I get asked for my WPA-PSK but then there is no connection possible, it simply stops
[17:32] <nemo> I'm getting a number of bad key errors
[17:32] <nemo> it could be I'm on a malicious wifi, but seems a little unlikely
[17:32] <BUGabundo> uffo: NO. I want to know if your wifi card is *seeing* a wpa2 network
[17:32]  * nemo switches networks anyway.
[17:33] <uffo> BUGabundo: i think it is still network manager problem because kubuntu beta did not connect too and maybe rc still cannot connect?
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> Hystoriker: have you configured WPA
[17:33] <BUGabundo> uffo: or networkmanager plamoid is still broken
[17:33] <nemo> still getting bad keys
[17:33] <uffo> BUGabundo:  developers has missed wpa2 option, it should be added to final
[17:34] <BUGabundo> ahh
[17:34] <ctx144k> iam using KDE4.2 with ubuntu9.04(RC). iam using a nvidia-grafikcard FX9800GT. i installed the standard nvidia-drivers from distribution, aktivated the special graikeffekts of KDE42. but i have the follow problem there: while looking pictures in fullscreen via gwenviews i have some graficals problems (showing grafik-errors). i have that problems only while looking pictures in fullscreen
[17:34] <BUGabundo> thanks to let me know
[17:34] <Hystoriker> ActionParsnip: what do u mean by that?
[17:34] <BUGabundo> do you have a bug for it?
[17:34] <BUGabundo> I would like to subscribe
[17:34] <ActionParsnip> Hystoriker: are you sure your wifi card can connect to wpa under linux?
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> ctx144k: have you tried a different viewer?
[17:35] <ctx144k> yes, same problem
[17:35] <nemo> GPG error: http://ubuntu.mirror.frontiernet.net jaunty-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-  for -updates, -security
[17:35] <Hystoriker> ActionParsnip: oh yes, it worked perfectly under 8.04 on the same machine. i should mention that i try my jaunty from a live-CD to find out, wether i sould upgrade or not
[17:35] <nemo> also on medibuntu.org
[17:35] <cy6|siMN> ActionParsnip ok i think i understood it now, but last question, if i were to remove the disk, and put it into another linux machine, i would just need to find out what ubuntu called the Drive, like bugabundu (Wrote his name wrong on purpose not to highlight him) told me how to do? and just write the /mnt/random123 command again?
[17:35] <ctx144k> when iam stopping "Direct Rendering" in KDE42 options i have no problems, but i have no nice "milc-glass effekts" while moving window
[17:35] <nemo> could my local keys be corrupted, and if so, where can I get a trusted source for the official keyring?
[17:35] <BUGabundo> nemo: OIII man in the middle
[17:35] <nemo> BUGabundo: on 2 different networks? really?
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> cy6|siMN: if its labelled then it will automount as the name, if it doesnt you will have to manually mount
[17:36] <cy6|siMN> ok thanks ;)
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> Hystoriker: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[17:36] <cy6|siMN> to both ActionParsnip and BUGabundo ;)
[17:36] <ctx144k> when using same grafikprograms under gnome i have no problems
[17:37] <ctx144k> but i have that ONLY in fullscreen - and ONLY in grafikviewers...
[17:37] <hggdh> eagles0513875, is there a ./debian directory where you are?
[17:37] <eagles0513875> no
[17:38] <boo-hoo> anyone using netbook remix candidate? ?
[17:38] <eagles0513875> im in the kernel source folder where i have the source code hggdh
[17:38] <BluesKaj> ok, more raking to do , BBL
[17:38] <Naynay> ATI Catalyst driver is broken. I have RC fresh installed, and two ATI RADEON HD 3870s in crossfire. X dies upon startup
[17:38] <Ciros> psh my hd3200 doesnt like the ati drivers in general in the RC
[17:39] <Naynay> It works until I install the restricted driver, upon reboot - X won't start and complains about the ATI proprietary driver
[17:40] <Naynay> stuck in CLI mode now
[17:40] <nemo> BUGabundo: switching servers from frontiernet to main ubuntu server solved first 2 errors, but I still get one on medibuntu - how odd.
[17:40] <BUGabundo> nemo: you are the second today reporting it
[17:40] <BUGabundo> guess its there bug
[17:40]  * nemo turns off mediubuntu for now
[17:40] <nemo> medibuntu
[17:41] <hggdh> eagles0513875, and is there a ./debian directory there?
[17:41] <eagles0513875> hggdh: no
[17:41] <hggdh> eagles0513875, there you go
[17:41] <eagles0513875> what i miss then
[17:42] <eagles0513875> hggdh: i got the image source should i be using that or the header
[17:43] <BUGabundo>  !medibuntu | nemo
[17:44] <BUGabundo> eagles0513875: and hggdh: can you guys take it somewhere else ?
[17:44] <BUGabundo> thanks
[17:44] <eagles0513875> hggdh: im in offtopic if you wanna come there
[17:44] <nemo> BUGabundo: I know what it is, is just I've never had issues with their signatures before :-p
[17:44] <BUGabundo> nemo: that's what I'm saying! you are the second today
[17:44] <BUGabundo> maybe one of there servers is not up to date
[17:45] <BUGabundo> better ask on #medibuntu
[17:45] <nemo> BUGabundo: well. it isn't just medibuntu
[17:45] <nemo> as noted. happened to official ubuntu mirror too
[17:45] <nemo> until I switched mirrors
[17:45] <ellar> dtchen, my problem from yesterday is this Bug #360114 I now know the reason but thanks for your kernel version
[17:45] <nemo> a bit odd that 2 completely different projects would have this issue
[17:45] <Hystoriker_> ActionParsnip: i have now got rid of the WPA encryption on my router and the connection still doesn't work
[17:47] <Hystoriker_> ActionParsnip: i am working simultaniously on a winxp connected to the same router via wlan and that works finde, so i dont think it is a router problem
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> Hystoriker_: that doesnt mean anything, if the os is having issues accepting new connections it will need rebooting, plus it doesnt hurt
[17:51] <ctx144k> is there a way to change an icon of an filetype? i wanna see for m3u/pls-files other icons then for ogg/mp3-files
[17:53] <ctx144k> and how to set kate for "ALL" filetypes as option, perhaps as "Edit" in Main-Rightclick-Menu (without scrolling down to "Open with...")
[17:55] <Trewas> weird, my jaunty system is pitifully slow extracting rars compared to other (slower) computer still running intrepid, 5MB/s compared to 25MB/s (archive and extraction in the same disk so it is purely IO limited)
[17:55] <ripnode4> what are the main drawbacks to using the 64bit version? Application support?
[17:56] <BUGabundo> ripnode4: I run anything
[17:56] <BUGabundo> even Flash at 64bits
[17:56] <Bejron> Stupud question, isn't Jaunty a developing v ersion hence "supportet" in here ? The channel for dev. versions ?
[17:57] <ripnode4> BUGabundo: WOW!?! FLASH?? REALLY!
[17:57] <ripnode4> lol
[17:57] <BUGabundo> eehe
[17:57] <BUGabundo> I know its bad
[17:57] <BUGabundo> just stating
[17:58] <dtchen> Bejron: this is the channel for jaunty
[17:59] <Bejron> But topic siad "Jaunty is NOT RELASED and NOT SUPPORTED!".. Confuses me.. =)
[17:59] <Bejron> said even
[17:59] <flox> Bejron: well, this is not formal support from a company. It is support from the community of users
[18:00] <AliTarihi> Anyone using Kubuntu 9.04 ?
[18:00] <Bejron> Then I'm grasping the whole concept. Thanks for clearing that up.
[18:00] <flox> Bejron: so you can ask your question, but there's no guarantee you will have the right answer, or an answer at all
[18:00]  * don333 is using it right now
[18:02]  * flox installed it on January 24th... and still running
[18:02] <Bejron> I'm having problems with 9.04 RC. The mouse pointer/input device stops working on certain parts of the screen/windows from time to time. Mouseclick dosn't work, mouseclick works everywhere except menu etc etc in all different kind of variations. Tried the 9.04 RC Live CD and same problem with 2 different mouses and a Wacomboard..
[18:03] <jetienne> q. i got ubuntu8.10 installed and would like to upgrade to 9.04, where should i look ?.
[18:03] <AliTarihi> I'm experiencing plasma freeze when there are too many notification. Anyone can confirm this?
[18:04] <don333> jetienne: either wait one week or download the LiveCD for 9.04RC
[18:04] <jetienne> don333: not possible to upgrade via usual apt-get upgrade ?
[18:04] <Aleksey_S> jetienne: update-manager -d will help
[18:05] <jetienne> Aleksey_S: ok googling that
[18:05] <BUGabundo> jetienne: dist-upgrade is not the recommend way
[18:05] <jetienne> hmmm ok ok
[18:05] <Aleksey_S> BUGabundo: why?
[18:05] <BUGabundo> jetienne: just run $ update-manager -d
[18:05] <jetienne> so i guess i will wait 2-3week as it seems to be dangerous
[18:06] <lirxis> Hi my wireless network card is not working on my Dell Latitude C600 - it is a 3COM 3CN3AC1556 card. I have tried Ndiswrapper but it do not work... Can anyone help me?
[18:07] <Bejron> Anyone have any ideas or can confirm it ? Can't think of anything I'm doing wrong since the problem also exists on the Live CD.. Exept if my hardware where mailfunctioning, 2 mouses and a Wacomboard all at the same time..
[18:07] <jetienne> Aleksey_S: BUGabundo: ok doing it
[18:08] <BUGabundo> jetienne: if you really need that PC, and aren't able to get out of any major undiscovered bug, I would advise to test via liveCD/USB
[18:08] <BUGabundo> jetienne: just so you know, UM does something extra that dist-upgrade doesn't, like policies
[18:08] <flox> Bejron: maybe look at your "dmesg" with command "dmesg|tail"
[18:09] <lirxis> Have anyone installed a 3com MINI PCI wireless card 3CN3AC1556 in jaunty or ubuntu?
[18:09] <jetienne> BUGabundo: what do you mean by "policies" ?
[18:09] <flox> !pastebin | Bejron
[18:09] <jetienne> ok problem solved, i dont have the disk space :)
[18:09] <BUGabundo> eheeheheheeh
[18:09] <BUGabundo> you may need at least 800MiBs just for basic upgrade
[18:10] <BUGabundo> if you have several other apps, it will require much more
[18:10] <tobi> hi
[18:10] <BUGabundo> ubottu is lagging? 30 sec for a factoid?
[18:10] <BUGabundo> tobi hi
[18:11] <tobi> after the update to JJ I have a problem with qt programms like vlc
[18:11] <tobi> http://img3.imagebanana.com/view/54ue312l/vlcscreenshot.png
[18:11] <BUGabundo> tobi: you are the 3rd reporting it
[18:11] <BUGabundo> are you on kubuntu ?
[18:11] <tobi> no,
[18:11] <Bejron> Hmm.. Problem is that I'm all command line and have a hard time using c/p
[18:11] <BUGabundo> so its not K related
[18:12] <BUGabundo> tobi you are going to need to file a bug
[18:12] <BUGabundo> I guess against fontconfig
[18:12] <BUGabundo> let me check... hangon a sec
[18:12] <lirxis> Does ndiswrapper not work in jaunty?
[18:12] <dtchen> lirxis: it works fine
[18:12] <tobi> BUGabundo: plain Ubuntu and the only qt programms I use are vlc and skype
[18:12] <guja> Okay, I have huge problem. I am using Ubuntu 9.04 and I have installed mysql+apache2+php. While installed that, that applet in panel which shows my name and status started to mark all status as black rectangle. After rebooting, gdm didn't start, system was trying to do some checks, but with failure. I got console login, log in there and typed startx to go into Ubuntu. When in X, got this The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAF
[18:12] <guja> IID:GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet". and choice to remove it or keep in panel. What ever I choose, it isn't anymore in panel. Same thing happened on 64bit and 32bit Jaunty. Any help??
[18:12] <lirxis> dtchen: cant get my card to work :/
[18:14] <Bejron> But what I get from dmesg|tail is "[1437.801282] usb 1-8: reset high speed usb device using ehci_hcd and address 5"
[18:14] <BUGabundo> tobi: ok can't get a reply
[18:14] <BUGabundo> file it for now
[18:14] <BUGabundo> tobi: $ ubuntu-bug font-config
[18:14] <BUGabundo> and add that screenshot
[18:14] <tobi> ok, will do
[18:15] <Bejron> With different sets of numbers in front..
[18:15] <canen_> fglrx is a spawn of the devil
[18:15] <canen_> it steals your soul, hopes and dreams
[18:15] <solomon> before i switched to jaunty, adjusting my master volume also adjusted my headphone volume on my laptop.  now the two are independent, and the volume buttons & applet only adjust the master volume.  any idea how i can work around this?
[18:16] <dtchen> solomon: system> preferences> sound> devices> default mixer tracks
[18:16] <dtchen> solomon: is your machine a dell inspiron, hp, or ibm thinkpad?
[18:17] <solomon> hop
[18:17] <graingert> is firefox 3.5 included in Jaunty?
[18:17] <solomon> er
[18:17] <solomon> dtchen: hp
[18:17] <jetienne> BUGabundo: deleted some files and now downloading at 1.4mbyte/s :)
[18:17] <flox> Bejron: probably a usb device is the problem...
[18:17] <don333>  graingert: no, 3.0
[18:17] <graingert> don333, will it be in the repos?
[18:17] <dtchen> solomon: please run `ubuntu-bug pulseaudio'
[18:18] <maxb> Has anyone else noticed unlocking from "lock screen" now takes a noticable amount of time and provokes a spike in CPU usage?
[18:18] <dtchen> solomon: (it's not a bug in pulseaudio, but that's the easiest way to get the info i need)
[18:18] <don333> since it's still a beta, I guess not
[18:18] <graingert> don333, guess?
[18:18] <flox> Bejron: lsusb -s 1:8
[18:18] <graingert> don333, from my research it is in the repos currently will it be removed by then?
[18:18] <don333> at least not in the official ones I meant
[18:18] <solomon> dtchen: 'send report'?  or do you just want me to give you some specific info in the contents?
[18:19] <dtchen> solomon: send it, please
[18:19] <don333> ahh, my mistake
[18:19] <dtchen> BUGabundo: what was the issue from yesterday?
[18:19] <don333> I can see it on the packages list
[18:19] <Bejron> flox: Hmm.. Could perhaps be my bluetooth dongle..
[18:20] <dtchen> solomon: also, i'll need the bug number it filed
[18:20] <Bejron> Flox: Command gave nothing. I physically removed the bt dongle..
[18:21] <flox> Bejron: try...
[18:21] <don333> graingert: to sum it up, there is a package called firefox-3.5, but it is not installed by default AFAIK
[18:21] <thiebaude> cwillu: my 9.04 still didn't work after i edited my xorg
[18:21] <don333> I use Kubuntu and there was no firefox at all by default
[18:22] <flox> Bejron: if bluetooth is faulty, you may find experimental driver (and HowTo) on the web
[18:23] <Bejron> Flox: Yeah.. Don´t relly use it, it has just been sitting there. Will try a reboot and return.. BRB..
[18:23] <solomon> dtchen: #363013.  goodness, launchpad is kinda cool
[18:25] <solomon> i admin a bugzilla install at a company with like a half a dozen active reporters or less and it's *still* hard to keep people from filing duplicate bugs :)
[18:25] <tobi> BUGabundo: I filled Bug #363012
[18:26] <dtchen> solomon: heh, i just fixed that bug upstream yesterday
[18:27] <dtchen> solomon: bug 41015
[18:29] <solomon> dtchen: nice work :)
[18:29] <dtchen> solomon: i.e., you need to use ac97_quirk=hp_mute_led
[18:30] <dtchen> solomon: i.e., echo options snd-intel8x0 ac97_quirk=hp_mute_led|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf
[18:31] <solomon> dtchen++
[18:31] <solomon> :)
[18:31] <stone1343> hi, i have a question that I think a lot of people do, about updated packages for software that's newer than what makes it in the release
[18:32] <stone1343> i know a lot of time is wasted on this, but I still can't find the info
[18:32] <stone1343> so Jaunty comes out with, for example, Ruby 1.9.0...
[18:33] <stone1343> Ruby 1.9.1 is considered the first "stable" release in the 1.9 series
[18:33] <ugliefrog> Is daily build of 9.04 the same as the official release next week
[18:33] <dtchen> <IP_ADDRESS>, it seems.
[18:33] <dtchen> ugliefrog: no
[18:33] <stone1343> dtchen: yes, fine
[18:33] <ugliefrog> dangit
[18:33] <dtchen> ugliefrog: just keep an iso and rsync it
[18:33] <dtchen> there won't be many changes from now until final.
[18:33] <stone1343> and the doc says ubuntu only upgrades if it's a security issue
[18:33] <canen_> any pointers on gettin rid of this error "dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so: undefined symbol: miInitVisualsProc"
[18:34] <dtchen> stone1343: or minimal, uninvasive changes
[18:34] <ugliefrog> what do you mean resync
[18:34] <uberwalla> will 9.04 have support for the acer aspire wireless drivers? That was one real thing I didn't like about 8.10 and lower. I couldn't run wireless. even when I installed a new driver
[18:34] <dtchen> ugliefrog: rsync, not resync.
[18:34] <canen_> the culprit is fglrx but i can't seem to get rid of it
[18:34] <ugliefrog> lol
[18:34] <stone1343> i know no more releases until final, the question is, does 1.9.1 get released in backports?
[18:34] <stone1343> is that what backports is for?
[18:34] <dtchen> stone1343: only when it's in karmic, and only if you explicitly request it
[18:35] <dtchen> stone1343: see the wiki page on requesting backports
[18:35] <ugliefrog> dtchen:ok what do u mean by rsync
[18:35] <dtchen> ugliefrog: see the wiki page on rsync
[18:35] <ugliefrog> omg give this old guy a break u kids r killin me
[18:36] <flox> !rsync
[18:36] <Bejron> Flox: Seems like the problem was the Logitech cordless mouse reciver..
[18:36] <flox> ah ... change batteries ?
[18:37] <shadeslayer> i figured out what was causing my brightness to dimm at twice the rate on one key press
[18:37] <Bejron> flox: In the USB connected transmitter ?
[18:39] <Bejron> Flox: Problems seems to have wanished when I disconnected it. Will try and connect it without batteries in the mouse and then later on add the mouse with fresh batteries. Shouldn't be the batteries since they are fairly new but problem solved anyways.
[18:39] <Bejron> Big thanks flox !!
[18:39] <flox> Bejron: you're welcome ;)
[18:40] <exco1> my dialogues need a really long time to show for a few days now ... what could cause that?
[18:40] <dtchen> ugliefrog: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage is a good starting point
[18:40] <exco1> e.g. "save as", "browse for a file", "add to archive", ...
[18:40] <canen_> shouldn't mesa provide a libglx.so?
[18:41] <ugliefrog> dtchen:thank you very much
[18:43]  * Bejron is going grocery shopping with gf now. Big thanks again to flox!
[18:43] <Creative1412> guys does ATi Fglrx works with the rc?
[18:44] <stone1343> dtchen: ok, so using my ruby example, i wouldn't expect a backport, so no upgrade until karmic (if then)
[18:44] <stone1343> dtchen: but for a package like GRAMPS, maybe
[18:46] <stone1343> btw, i'm not complaining, i love ubuntu, don't mean to sound negative, i appreciate everything you guys do, just want to understand
[18:47] <stone1343> if no package it's easy enough to build myself, part of what i love compared to windows
[18:47] <Creative1412> guys any one !please could build a deb for Aegisub for me
[18:48] <exco1> Creative1412: depends on how old your card is
[18:48] <Creative1412> i've been treing to compile the src for2 weeks but i screwd
[18:48] <Creative1412> exco1: i have Ati 2100
[18:49] <mrwes> Any reports of 'hot' memory on Jaunty? Seems the cover on my laptop is very very hot since upgrading to Jaunty -- other than sensation I can not quantify it
[18:50] <BUGabundo> dtchen: humm the user wet away
[18:50] <Creative1412> mrwes: i have i desktop how do i know?
[18:50] <BUGabundo> time to leave
[18:50] <mbeierl> mrwes: there was someone yesterday or the day before stating either memory or hd of laptop seemed very much hotter with Jaunty than Intrepid
[18:51] <mrwes> mbeierl, well it's definitely hotter
[18:51] <dooglus> I wonder if one of you fine fellows would assist me please
[18:51] <dooglus> I'm running a 9.04 pre-release on an old laptop with little RAM
[18:52] <dooglus> earlier today I went into the 'startup applications' dialog and disabled a few things that I didn't think I would be needing - like the bluetooth manager and suchlike.
[18:52] <dooglus> now when I plug my phone in, the phone's memory card is no longer automounted.  what startup application might be responsible for that?
[18:52] <mbeierl> User was Neff.  Anyone here remember what the conclusion was?  I dropped out sometime after the ext4 tuning discussion
[18:53] <mbeierl> mrwes: laptop or desktop?
[18:53] <mrwes> mbeierl, laptop, Dell D600 -- installing computertemp package now
[18:53] <dooglus> I disabled: bluetooth manager, evolution alarm notifier, gnome login sound, network manager, print queue applet, pulseaudio session manager, remote desktop, user folders update, and visual assistance
[18:53] <Kissaki> My ubuntu did not get to the login screen after using hibernate with nvidia drivers. After an upgrade (had the new ubuntu in package srces) I am able to log in only with failsafe gnome, it will load the desktop but fail to load an implement it completely. Top right does work, top left (menu etc) does not, bottom left the desktop icon is not the correct one... Any ideas? Or, how do you remove the h
[18:53] <Kissaki> *hibernate session/data?
[18:54] <mbeierl> mrwes: D620, core2 dual, 64bit here
[18:54] <mbeierl> mrwes: not running any hotter
[18:54] <mrwes> mbeierl, PentM here
[18:54] <BluesKaj> Creative1412, install xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver and xserver-xorg-video-ati  driver wrapper
[18:54] <mrwes> 2gb of ram
[18:54] <mbeierl> mrwes: what happened to me earlier was my upgrade happened around the same time as my cooling fan finally got too clogged about 1 year ago and I thought the upgrade made it hotter
[18:55] <mbeierl> mrwes: but it turned out to be.... CAT HAIR
[18:55] <mrwes> sure it was :P
[18:55] <mrwes> fans working ok on this end
[18:55] <Creative1412> BluesKaj:  imean fglrx i have 3d acc working with the Opensource but it's working like Geforce 2!
[18:55] <mbeierl> acpi -t
[18:56] <mbeierl> mrwes: acpi -t shows temp with acpi package installed
[18:56] <mrwes> Thermal 0: ok, 43.5 degrees C
[18:57] <mrwes> is that from the computertemp package?
[18:57] <mbeierl> mrwes: acpi ?
[18:57] <BluesKaj> Creative1412, Geforce 2 ?? what do you mean?
[18:57] <mbeierl> mrwes:  Thermal 0: ok, 46.5 degrees C here
[18:57] <Creative1412> BluesKaj: Slow as Hell!
[18:58] <mrwes> hrmm...that plate covering the RAM is really hot though
[18:58] <mbeierl> mrwes: how close is it to your hard drive?
[18:58] <BluesKaj> Creative1412, what's your frame rate with fglrxgears
[18:59] <BluesKaj> at 1/4 scrnsize
[18:59] <Creative1412> BluesKaj: glxgears is not a benchmark!:@ but it's 200~300 fps!
[18:59] <mrwes> mbeierl, hard drive is perpendicular to the RAM module
[19:00] <mbeierl> mrwes: but close, yes?
[19:00] <BluesKaj> glxinfo , then Creative1412
[19:00] <mrwes> yah...hddtemp show 47C
[19:00] <mrwes> shows*
[19:00] <mbeierl> Mine: /dev/sda: FUJITSU MHW2080BJ FFS G2: 43°C
[19:01] <mbeierl> mrwes: considering my cpu temp is higher than yours, my hd is cooler than yours
[19:01] <mrwes> mbeierl, I was just watching some flash vid too -- maybe 4 or 5 minutes ago
[19:01] <Creative1412> BluesKaj: http://fpaste.org/paste/9404
[19:01] <Creative1412> BluesKaj: take a look
[19:03] <flox> here, CM = 45 and DD = 35
[19:03] <BluesKaj> yeah. I see that old string ..how old is your computer ?
[19:03] <guja> When I reboot my Ubuntu 9.04 32bit I get this suddenly. Duuno why, please help me. GDM doesn't work! http://nopaste.ns-linux.org/?ZWNiOD
[19:04] <Kissaki> My ubuntu did not get to the login screen after using hibernate with nvidia drivers. After an upgrade (had the new ubuntu in package srces) I am able to log in only with failsafe gnome, it will load the desktop but fail to load an implement it completely. Top right does work, top left (menu etc) does not, bottom left the desktop icon is not the correct one... Any ideas? Or, how do you remove the h
[19:04] <Kissaki> *hibernate session/data?
[19:04] <mbeierl> mrwes: looking at something BUGabundo said yesterday about smartctl...
[19:04] <mrwes> dev/sda1: HTS548060M9AT00: 47°C
[19:05] <mrwes> mbeierl, it's in the logs?
[19:05] <mbeierl> mrwes: the conversation? it's in my pidgin log
[19:05] <mrwes> ahh
[19:05] <mrwes> k
[19:06] <canen_> yay! victory, one more issue squashed
[19:07] <canen_> anyone having problems with purging fglrx, you need to reinstall xserver-xorg-core as well if you want glx to work
[19:08] <BluesKaj> Creative1412, is this your present driver ?  http://en.kioskea.net/telecharger/telecharger-852-drivers-ati-radeon-2100
[19:08] <canen_> the speed improvements in X are more than noticible
[19:08] <Creative1412> canen_: !!!
[19:09] <canen_> Creative1412: O_o
[19:09] <Creative1412> BluesKaj: it's built in in 740gm mother board!
[19:09] <Creative1412> canen_: actully iam amazed!
[19:10] <canen_> anyone have permission to edit the wiki?
[19:10] <canen_> need to add the info to this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver
[19:10] <BluesKaj> yeah, Creative1412 , but apparently the above driver is the latest
[19:10] <mbeierl> mrwes: nope, sorry it's not what I thought he was saying...  All I can tell you right now is you're the second person in two days that I have heard mention hot memory (possibly disk)
[19:10] <mbeierl> mrwes: do you have a prior install available still, or another os?
[19:11] <Creative1412> BluesKaj: the fglrx(closed source) used to work right with 8.10
[19:11] <canen_> oh, it has openid. i'll just do it then, never mind
[19:11] <luca> hi everyone
[19:11] <mrwes> mbeierl, I sure don't
[19:11] <canen_> luca: hi
[19:12] <mrwes> mbeierl, thanks for checking your logs though
[19:12] <luca> my gnome program menubars have all disappeared (user, not systemic problem)
[19:12] <luca> hi canen_ :)
[19:12] <mrwes> mbeierl, temperatures seem pretty static, just hotter
[19:12] <luca> someone's got any idea on how to fix it? I do not have any idea about how this's come to pass
[19:13] <mbeierl> mrwes: yep.  that's just the way...  There is one thing that was tried yesterday and I don't know what the outcome was, and that is to reduce the dirty commit time and some other hd access parameters to reduce the disk io
[19:13] <shadeslayer> hi,i dont know what happened but i cant use sudo any more,it says im not in sudoers list
[19:13] <mrwes> mbeierl, running some flash vid now
[19:13]  * canen_ wonders why launchpad is taking so long to log me in
[19:13] <mrwes> up to 56C
[19:14] <shadeslayer> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo cant help me too
[19:14] <mbeierl> mrwes: hdtemp or cpu temp?
[19:14] <mrwes> cpu
[19:14] <frybye> canen_: perhaps just after a new rc it is pretty busy...?
[19:14] <mrwes> hddtemp is static at 47C
[19:14] <canen_> yeah
[19:14] <Creative1412> so go root and add your self to the grobe root
[19:14] <shadeslayer> it says no group admin
[19:14] <Halow> luca: See if System>Preferences>Appearance - Interface tab helps out your problems. If they're unchecked I think that might cause what you explained.
[19:15] <guntbert> mrwes: how do you measure temperatures?
[19:15] <mrwes> mbeierl, dell D600 tends to run hot anyway
[19:15] <mbeierl> mrwes: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=839998
[19:15] <shadeslayer> i recently created a account with username admin,if that helps
[19:15] <mrwes> guntbert, install hddtemp and computertemp
[19:15] <luca> Halow: everything checked
[19:15] <guntbert> mrwes: thx
[19:16] <Halow> luca: Huh. I don't know. Sorry. =(
[19:16] <luca> Halow: np :)
[19:16] <shadeslayer> /query ubottu
[19:16] <shadeslayer> :|
[19:17] <luca> shadeslayer: can you use the command su?
[19:17] <shadeslayer> luca: no
[19:18] <shadeslayer> luca: su: Authentication failure
[19:18] <mrwes> mbeierl, reading that thread now
[19:18] <Kissaki> My ubuntu did not get to the login screen after using hibernate with nvidia drivers. After an upgrade (had the new ubuntu in package srces) I am able to log in only with failsafe gnome, it will load the desktop but fail to load an implement it completely. Top right does work, top left (menu etc) does not, bottom left the desktop icon is not the correct one... Any ideas? Or, how do you remove the h
[19:18] <Kissaki> *hibernate session/data?
[19:19] <mrwes> mbeierl, what if any, is the downside of decreasing the disk activity on ext3?
[19:19] <mbeierl> mrwes: I don't think it'll help much though, you probably had ext3 before and I can't see that ext4 would create more activity.  It hasn't for me
[19:19] <mrwes> mbeierl, yah...nod
[19:19] <dgt84> Ubuntu Jaunty seems to have changed the install location for python packages and many can now not find their data since it's in /usr/local... wtf? Anybody know how this is supposed to work since sys.prefix is still set to /usr?!?!?
[19:19] <mbeierl> mrwes: in case of a hard lockup (or sudden power failure like pulling the battery) you could lose some data
[19:19] <luca> shadeslayer: no idea sorry :(
[19:19] <shadeslayer> np
[19:19] <mrwes> mbeierl, I didn't convert to ext4
[19:20] <dtchen> dgt84: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027439.html
[19:20] <shadeslayer> any way i can fool ubuntu to think its a fresh install and that it need to set up a new user?
[19:20] <mbeierl> mrwes: there have been reports of ext4 very rarely zeroing out some data on hard crashes, but I /think/ they might be fixed now
[19:21] <mrwes> mbeierl, fan speed seems to adjust accordingly though
[19:22] <dgt84> dtchen, so is it safe to pass that option on all architectures?
[19:22] <mbeierl> mrwes: sounds like it could be ok then.  But you are noticing a particular hot spot right around the memory plate...
[19:22] <mrwes> mbeierl, most definitely!
[19:22] <mrwes> smokin'
[19:22] <mrwes> heh
[19:22] <dtchen> dgt84: yes
[19:23] <flox> shadeslayer: boot to the "recovery" and use command "adduser"
[19:23] <mbeierl> mrwes: have you tried frying eggs on it?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> flox: it says that it could not find the group 'admin'
[19:23] <mrwes> mbeierl, well it's 'my' you know what I'm worried about!
[19:23] <dotblank> Will 9.04 have the new pulse audio?
[19:23] <flox> shadeslayer: et deluser aussi, si tu veux
[19:23] <mrwes> heh
[19:23] <dgt84> dtchen, sorry I meant operating systems / distros not arch
[19:23] <shadeslayer> ?
[19:23] <picklesworth> Odd... I ran out of space on /. Ran apt-get clean and it seems to have freed 2 GB (!)... but /tmp (which is a tmpfs) still claims to be out of space
[19:23] <picklesworth> anyone bumped into that?
[19:23] <mrwes> mbeierl, seems flash is good for a cpu increase of about 10C
[19:24] <flox> shadeslayer: (sorry for the french) and command deluser may be useful too
[19:24] <mrwes> or more
[19:24] <mbeierl> mrwes: um... this is a family-friendly channel :)  but of course.  then again, I always work with laptop on a pillow on my lap....
[19:24] <shadeslayer> flox: so i use deluser shadeslayer  and then ??
[19:24] <solorvox> hey all, should the "hardware drivers" be blank?  I'm trying to install a nvidia binary driver, has that process changed?
[19:24] <mbeierl> mrwes: cpu usage running higher?  nvidia or 3d acceleration not installed/working?
[19:24] <mrwes> mbeierl, well in the winter it's a non-issue
[19:24] <flox> shadeslayer: from the "root" shell is better
[19:25] <shadeslayer> solorvox: its a bug,1) have you updated? 2) wait  for 15 min and search again
[19:25] <dtchen> dgt84: only on distros that use that python-support
[19:25] <flox> shadeslayer: you have commands "addgroup" and "adduser"
[19:25] <mrwes> mbeierl, CPU is running slightly higher, but I have conky running too
[19:25] <mrwes> no compiz though
[19:25] <shadeslayer> flox: and i use adduser shadeslayer admin right?
[19:26] <solorvox> shadeslayer, hadn't updated, doing that now.  (fresh install of rc disc)
[19:26] <mbeierl> mrwes: intel graphics?
[19:26] <mbeierl> mrwes: i910 or something like that?
[19:26] <mrwes> ATI
[19:26] <shadeslayer> solorvox: definitely the bug,update and then try again :)
[19:26] <mbeierl> mrwes: sorry, can't help you.
[19:26] <canen_> just updated the wiki with the xserver-xorg-core info if anybody wants to review. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver
[19:26] <mbeierl> mrwes: hee hee.  I haven't actually used ati
[19:26]  * canen_ goes to lunch
[19:26] <mrwes> mbeierl, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)
[19:27] <shadeslayer> flox: ill try those commands then
[19:27] <mbeierl> mrwes: what driver are you using for X?  the proprietary one?
[19:27] <mrwes> yah
[19:27] <mrwes> er...wait -- whatever runs OTB
[19:28] <mbeierl> that would not be the proprietary one
[19:28] <mrwes> yah thought so
[19:28] <mbeierl> try going under System ->Admin ->Hardware Drivers and see if the proprietary one can be activated
[19:29] <mbeierl> mrwes: it might just be that the flash video rendering is simply taking up a lot more cpu and then running hotter
[19:29] <solorvox> well will say this, I'm very impressed with 9.04 so far.  My RAID0 SSD worked out of the box (had to manually hack driver before), wireless and even external monitor (sorta 1280x1024 when it's 2560x1600)
[19:29] <dgt84> dtchen, many thanks, I'm checking this out and testing my app now
[19:29] <mrwes> mbeierl, nah...nothing available there
[19:29] <mbeierl> ok
[19:30] <mrwes> mbeierl, wasn't one under 8.04 either
[19:30] <mrwes> mbeierl, although I've noticed Jaunty doesn't hit the swap at ALL
[19:30] <mbeierl> mrwes: ah.  might be that your card is not supported anymore by ati or something like that
[19:30] <mrwes> it's old
[19:30] <mrwes> pppffft
[19:32] <mrwes> mbeierl, thanks for the efforts :)
[19:33] <mbeierl> mrwes: sorry I can't help more...
[19:33] <mrwes> other than the temp issue, I'm very happy with Jaunty
[19:33] <mrwes> very snappy
[19:33] <mbeierl> I have to say, I've been running it for just over a month now and I'm very pleased
[19:33] <mbeierl> except for evolution exchange integration which suffers from a calendar library bug right now :)
[19:33] <mrwes> mbeierl, I see VLC now has a separate video window
[19:34] <mrwes> I could NEVER drop and drag on the calendar...sigh
[19:34] <dotblank> I hate waiting for people to update their repos for newer releases
[19:34] <mbeierl> not a heavy video user... never used vlc...
[19:34] <mrwes> hated that
[19:34] <solorvox> hum, install did remove my WindowsXP boot option.  Strange because the installer found it and said it was there during grub-install
[19:34] <solorvox> partition is still ok, seems anyway
[19:34] <zhivota> made it finally
[19:34] <mbeierl> solorvox: not there under "other os"?
[19:36] <solorvox> As I remember, and just verified in menu.lst, only two kernels and memtest are in my grub options
[19:36] <solorvox> I should have an entry for windows
[19:36] <solorvox> not a huge deal, I can just edit/copy the comments for the windows 95/98 one
[19:37] <shadeslayer> flox: thanks it worked :)
[19:37] <solorvox> but it's odd since the installer said it saw it
[19:41] <ethana2> E: The package cache file is corrupted
[19:41] <ethana2> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[19:42] <ethana2> the CLI never gives me any errors, but update-manager says this every single time I run updates
[19:42] <ethana2> ..but then it never gives me any other problems
[19:43] <ienorand> solorvox: And it made no backup file? menu.lst~ ?
[19:44] <solorvox> ienorand, I did a clean install, reformatted with ext4
[19:44] <ienorand> solorvox: Ah ok...
[19:45] <solorvox> but the installer asked about grub, and said it saw windows xp
[19:45]  * picklesworth is jealous of ext4 users... can't bring self to clean install
[19:45] <ienorand> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/r22wuK <- this is the standard entry for win afaik
[19:46] <ethana2> picklesworth: do a FS upgrade then
[19:46] <ethana2> picklesworth: ext* can upgrade in place
[19:46] <picklesworth> ethana2: is there a wiki page for that one? Lots of conflicting info on what I must do to grub ;)
[19:46] <solorvox> upgrades won't get extents, which is like the best feature of ext4
[19:46] <ethana2> hmmm
[19:46] <ethana2> solorvox: really?
[19:47] <ethana2> hmmmm
[19:47] <ethana2> I'm just going to wait to switch to ext4 'till 9.10
[19:47] <solorvox> extents are extra space for each file, so in the future it doesn't get fraged
[19:47] <ethana2> that way I don't have to worry about anything
[19:47] <solorvox> you can upgrade a ext3->4, but the file system won't be the same if you clean install a ext4
[19:47] <ethana2> I'm going x64 with 9.04 though :)
[19:48] <picklesworth> I only intend to ext4ize my root partition. Home shouldn't be too much of a problem how it is
[19:48] <solorvox> wikipedia has a good page on it. :)
[19:48] <solorvox> reboot
[19:51] <mvo> ethana2: that is most likely a packagekit problem, do you have that installed?
[19:52] <ethana2> update-manager uses packagekit?
[19:52] <ethana2> mvo: should I install it?
[19:52] <mvo> ethana2: no, but packagekit is hooking into the update process and interfereing :)
[19:52] <ethana2> I didn't install it myself..
[19:52] <mvo> ethana2: could you please check with "dpkg -l packagekit" if its not installed already?
[19:52] <ethana2> k
[19:53] <ethana2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/152974/
[19:54] <dael99> menu bar dissapar after upgrading jaunty RC
[19:55] <ethana2> dael99: http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/
[19:55] <ethana2> dael99: that won't put them back where they were for you probably, but it might put them where they belong
[19:55] <dael99> ethana2 : you mean this causing the trouble?
[19:55] <ethana2> dael99: no, I'm suggesting if you can't figure any other fix, installing that may be a good workaround
[19:56] <ethana2> I use it because it's the best way to do menu bars
[19:56] <ethana2> ..it won't work for firefox, openoffice, and kde apps, but you didn't lose those menu bars, did you?
[19:56] <ethana2> or are you talking about title bars?
[19:57] <dael99> XD i have to admit that i was so stupid... now i've uninstalled that... and things are working fine now. tnaks.
[19:57] <ethana2> what?
[19:57] <ethana2> *headdesk*
[19:57] <dael99> never mind.
[19:57] <ethana2> haha
[19:57] <ethana2> interesting.
[19:57] <dael99> what?
[19:57] <ethana2> dael99: you had installed that previously?
[19:57] <dael99> yes.
[19:58] <ethana2> dael99: and what was your problem exactly?
[19:58] <dael99> and the bug is me. XD
[19:58] <ethana2> dael99: did you upgrade from 8.10?
[19:58] <dael99> never mind. thanks. an conf error, nothing else.
[19:58] <ethana2> dael99: if so, you need to switch the version you're getting from ap--
[19:58] <ethana2> yes.
[19:59] <ethana2> mvo: thoughts?
[19:59] <dael99> working fine. thanks.
[19:59] <dael99> sorry.
[19:59] <mvo> ethana2: I did a packagekit upload that is hanging in the queue that should fix it
[20:00] <mvo> ethana2: I can upload to my PPA
[20:00] <ethana2> no that's fine
[20:00] <ethana2> thanks a ton
[20:01] <mvo> ethana2: it should be available soon in https://edge.launchpad.net/~mvo/+archive/ppa - if that version fixes the problem (or not) just ping me on irc and let me know
[20:01] <ethana2> mvo: you are requesting that I test it for you?
[20:01] <henux> I have freshly installed 9.04. I plugged in an external hard drive which is LUKS encrypted and this popped up a dialog to request the passphrase. I entered it and now the hard drive is mounted and open in nautilus. However, it seems only to be read-only? Why and how to fix that? I need to have full access to it.
[20:02] <tormod> sa
[20:02] <mlissner> just updated to jaunty - amarok 2 is REALLY bad, but otherwise no problems.
[20:02] <ethana2> mlissner: kubuntu jaunty?
[20:02] <eagles0513875> mlissner: try wiht a clean install
[20:03] <mlissner> ethana2, ubuntu actually.
[20:03] <eagles0513875> upgrade form intrepid to jaunty leaves you wiht stuff that isnt even in jaunty
[20:03] <mvo> ethana2: that would be nice
[20:03] <eagles0513875> at least with kde you end up wiht the old defunct network manager
[20:03] <eagles0513875> knetworkmanager
[20:03] <mvo> ethana2: its fine if you don't want to of course
[20:03] <eagles0513875> anyways im out for the night guys
[20:03] <eagles0513875> mlissner: i would try with a clean install tbh
[20:03] <ethana2> mvo: Yeah, I probably don't...
[20:04] <mlissner> eagle0513875: It runs fine, it's just...ummm...how to put this delicately...bad UI.
[20:04] <canen_> eagles0513875: what's knetworkmanager's replacement?
[20:04] <eagles0513875> !info netowork-manager
[20:05] <eagles0513875> !info network-manager
[20:05] <eagles0513875> canen_: thats the replacement
[20:05] <eagles0513875> million times better at least i can connect to my home wifi unlike with knetwork
[20:05] <canen_> ah
[20:05] <eagles0513875> if you upgrade from intrepid to jaunt it doesnt remove the old network manager
[20:05] <eagles0513875> canen_: you can also scan for wifi networks as well with it
[20:05] <eagles0513875> anyways im out
[20:05] <canen_> i am on a desktop
[20:05] <canen_> so no wifi for me
[20:06] <mlissner> I do have one question: has anybody with an encrypted disk changed to ext4?
[20:06] <ienorand> iwlist scan always work...
[20:06] <eagles0513875> i have jaunty on a laptop and man is it heavenly lol
[20:06] <eagles0513875> anyways i gtg
[20:15] <akahigeRGO> I've been trying to figure out what causes different apps to trigger the Notify-OSD popup... that happens sometimes in Pidgin... is that because my nick is mentioned, or is there a specific command (not IM) that triggers it?
[20:16] <Halow> akahigeRGO: You can customize the pidgin notifications. It's in the plugins. Let me remember what exactly it's called.
[20:18] <Halow> akahigeRGO: "Libnotify Popups",
[20:19] <akahigeRGO> Halow: thanks! is libnotify what Notify-OSD is using, then?
[20:21] <crdlb> akahigeRGO: yes, libnotify is a convenience library for making dbus calls on org.freedesktop.Notifications
[20:21] <crdlb> notify-osd listens on that service name, and is configured to autospawn if that service is requested when it's not running
[20:22] <akahigeRGO> crdlb: cool. thanks for the info. I'm really liking Notify-OSD ... just wish I could customize some of the behavior
[20:22] <crdlb> how are you at C? :/
[20:23] <akahigeRGO> crdlb: not at all. and Mr Shuttleworth has said that they went to great lengths to NOT have Notify-OSD be customizable, so I'll just have to live with it...  :)
[20:24] <crdlb> I have a little notify script that relies on notifications that don't go away until you click on them
[20:24] <crdlb> so I've uninstalled notify-osd for now
[20:25] <akahigeRGO> the thing I wish it would do is to log the messages (even in a small queue) so I can look back and see something that I missed (or didn't catch all of before it disappeared)
[20:25] <crdlb> that would solve my issue, I guess
[20:26] <crdlb> would be trivial to do too
[20:26] <akahigeRGO> would it?
[20:26] <akahigeRGO> (I don't code any more, and never in C)
[20:27] <crdlb> the notification is just a summary line, a small paragraph of body text with limited markup, and an icon name
[20:27] <crdlb> plus a few things that notify-osd doesn't support, like actions :)
[20:28] <crdlb> the only hard part might be determining which ones to log ... I don't think you'd want volume changes in there
[20:28] <akahigeRGO> well, maybe as Jaunty gets adopted and people start using and discussing N-OSD, the PTB will change their minds
[20:29] <crdlb> but there is an urgency enum (LOW, NORMAL, CRTIICAL), so I guess you could just log the last one or two
[20:30] <akahigeRGO> that's a good point. since you brought up volume controls, is there any way via the protocol to show what the new volume is as you change it? there's a sliding scale, which I assume indicates setting, but what it really needs is the percentage you get when hovering the tray icon
[20:31] <crdlb> I don't know exactly how that works, but it certainly would be possible to add
[20:32] <akahigeRGO> or possibly -- additionally -- log or exclude certain apps. like I get a notice when I create PDF's (probably from CUPS), but I wouldn't need that to be logged since it's based on an action that I made. pidgin notifications, or OS alerts, though... those are important...
[20:32] <crdlb> the notification spec has a provision for vendor extensions; maybe they're using that to convey volume changes
[20:42] <LiMaO> why is flashplugin blocked as an update for a long time now?
[20:46] <ienorand> LiMaO: try upgrading it using synaptic
[20:46] <crdlb> LiMaO: and if you do (or do a command-line dist-upgrade), make sure you pay attention to what it wants to remove
[20:47]  * dazman is amazed at how far forwards Jaunty is compared to even Intrepid in terms of "the whole desktop experience"
[20:48]  * crdlb wonders if he's using the wrong jaunty
[20:49]  * mbeierl still likes the new splash and gdm greeter
[20:50] <dazman> I'm talking more "polished" experience.. even, dare I say it, the fonts appear to be fixed. :o ;)
[20:50] <dazman> It's the first time in erm, 12 years, I've seen fonts fixed on a Debian-based distribution ;)
[20:50] <crdlb> mbeierl: what splash? :)
[20:50] <mbeierl> the startup
[20:50] <dazman> (out of the box)
[20:50] <mbeierl> fbsplash
[20:51] <crdlb> oh, the boot splash
[20:55] <mbeierl> yep, that one.  the jaunty "tiny" one
[20:56] <mbeierl> Going back to intrepid now, I think intrepid suddenly looks "chunky"
[21:05] <l2udd> I just upgraded my laptop from Ubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 RC and now my audio doesn't work.  Worked fine in 8.10
[21:06] <flox> l2udd: it's time to roll back to intrepid ;)
[21:07] <Assid> yello
[21:07] <Assid> the final version been chosen yet?
[21:08] <l2udd> flox:  That
[21:08] <l2udd> flox: That's what I get for trying to upgrade early!!
[21:08] <canen_> what the hell? kde just randomly logged me out
[21:09] <flox> l2udd: look here http://www.ubuntugeek.com/simple-guide-to-sound-solutions-for-hardyintrepid-and-jaunty-jackalope-users.html
[21:09] <flox> l2udd: it may help ... or not
[21:09] <crdlb> canen_: sounds like X crashed? check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old (look at the bottom of it)
[21:10] <canen_> it automatically logged me in after
[21:11] <canen_> Saw signal 11.  Server aborting.
[21:11] <canen_> that's what i  see
[21:11] <crdlb> so it did crash
[21:11] <canen_> yeah
[21:11] <canen_> then did a restore it seems
[21:11] <crdlb> there should be a backtrace above that with which you can file a bug
[21:12] <canen_> seems to be the radeon drivers and aiglx
[21:12] <canen_> i've had enough bug hunting for one day, can't start on another 1 now
[21:18] <Jordan_U> Does fglrx in 9.04 support Radeon Mobility X1600 ?
[21:27] <crdlb> Jordan_U: negative
[21:27] <Jordan_U> :(
[21:27] <holyscott> any major bugs found in the RC?
[21:28] <Jordan_U> And the ati driver in 9.04 still doesn't support redirected direct rendering?
[21:28] <luca_> hi everyone
[21:29] <bigbrovar> it seems the finger print integration that is part of gnome 2.2.6 release http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.26/#rnusers.aboutme was not implemented in jaunty .. sad because i cant get my finger print reader to work on my dell xps m1330 which came preinstalled with ubuntu
[21:29] <bigbrovar> thinkfinger as been broken since intrepid .. and its doesnt work on jaunty .. even though it worked perfectly on hardy heron
[21:29] <bigbrovar> :-(
[21:30] <luca_> I have reported bug 351220 weeks ago, which is about the kernel, nobody answered, and I am hit by this bug on a daily basis at least :(
[21:31] <guntbert> bigbrovar: on my Lenovo T60 thinkfinger runs fine (intrepid)
[21:31] <luca_> it is pretty serious - I know it is kinda whining, but before I format my system, who should I speak to? I have already tried to purge - reinstall the kernel
[21:32] <bigbrovar> guntbert: thing finger from the repos or one from ppa one from the repo is broken and u have to hit enter after swaping your finger
[21:32] <bigbrovar> among other bugs
[21:34] <Jordan_U> luca_: I would try a vanilla kernel and if you get the problem still file a bug upstream
[21:35] <luca_> Jordan_U: I have also non-free nvidia driver here, plus haven't installed a vanilla kernel in a long time :( Will do if there is no other way though
[21:35] <guntbert> bigbrovar: ok, mine is from ppa, but no need to hit enter any more, works even with screen saver
[21:35] <dooglus> can someone tell me how to install tor in 9.04 please?
[21:35] <dooglus> tor as in 'the onion router'
[21:38] <hggdh> dooglus, what happens you you try to install it?
[21:38] <Jordan_U> luca_: There is a ppa for vanilla kernels, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ . If you really want it fixed I would uninstall the nvidia drivers, try the mainline kernel, if it still happens file a bug report ( from it happening with mainline and not "tainted" )
[21:39] <dooglus> hggdh: I get as far as "sudo apt-get install " and then don't know what to type next
[21:39] <bigbrovar> guntbert: same with mine.. but the ppa has not been updated to jaunty so using it cause bad things to happen .. afaik there is no way to get finger print authentication to work on jaunty .. which is a huge regression since this worked pefectly on hardy .. can be very frustrating since this things are suppose to happen on windows
[21:39] <Jordan_U> luca_: Note though that I think the packaged nvidia driver uses DKMS so I think it will continue to work with the new kernel ( but again, you should file a bug report untainted )
[21:40] <hggdh> dooglus, sudo apt-get install tor tor-geopip
[21:40] <hggdh> dooglus, or use synaptic
[21:40] <dooglus> hggdh: "Package tor is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[21:41] <guntbert> bigbrovar: thx for the heads up - guess I'll be waiting a little before upgrading
[21:41] <dooglus> hggdh: I'll try an apt-get update I guess
[21:41] <Kamitsukai1> can anyone help with my adobe flash problem? it's installed but I get told it isn't by youtube + others...
[21:41] <hggdh> dooglus, sigh... I guess it was not fixed...
[21:41] <user_> Kamitsukai1: enabled javascript in the broswer?
[21:42] <hggdh> dooglus, apt-get update is always good, but I do not remember seeing any update on tor for quite a while
[21:42] <tlacuache> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta says "Included in Jaunty is a simple menu which can be used to set preferences for notification icons, such as where they pop up on the taskbar."
[21:42] <tlacuache> where is this menu?
[21:42] <tlacuache> i can't seem to find it anywhere
[21:42] <Kamitsukai1> @user_: yep just double checked =] and I've already reinstalled it via synaptic...
[21:43] <bigbrovar> guntbert:np .. i actually came here to see if i could get any heads up
[21:43] <dooglus> !info tor jaunty
[21:44] <dooglus> I wonder - did I not enable universe?
[21:45] <hggdh> well, I cannot find the binary packages anywhere
[21:45] <bigbrovar> guntbert: what is really sad is that finger print support is part of gnome 2.2.6 wonder why it was stripped out of jaunty .. it worked perfectly on fedora 11 beta :/
[21:46] <guntbert> bigbrovar: well I don't know :-(
[21:47] <bigbrovar> guntbert> we are not alone http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1100077 nobody seem to know not even the ubuntu desktop team .. was at their irc and even there nobody knows
[21:49] <picklesworth> Is grub refusing to boot the latest kernel for anyone else? I get error 13: unrecognized or unsupported executable format. It booted 2.6.28-10, though
[21:49] <bigbrovar> guntbert: its just sad when something that worked perfectly well on hardy heron got broken for close to 2 releases now and there has'nt been any improvement ..
[21:49] <picklesworth> possibly related to me turning this into an ext4 partition, but it's hard to say ;)
[21:50] <guntbert> bigbrovar: have you seen the references to fprint? (silly name:)
[21:50] <dooglus> hggdh: do you have jaunty and tor install?
[21:50] <dooglus> hggdh: installed*  it seems to not be present in the repo?
[21:51] <dooglus> hggdh: "$ apt-cache policy tor" tells me "candidate: none"
[21:51] <hggdh> dooglus, yes, I use jaunty, and I have tor installed -- but I fixed the build myself
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> !info tor
[21:51] <hggdh> there was a bug on it... let me find it
[21:52] <coppro> My upgrade to RC was done while not connected to the internet so flashplugin-nonfree didn't grab the newest stuff; how do I get it to install again? I've tried reconfiguring, reinstalling, even purge and install.
[21:52] <bigbrovar> guntbert: u mean this ? http://reactivated.net/fprint/wiki/Fprintd am going thru it .. might have to do some compiling to make this work .. compiling stuff to make hardware that worked on older version of an OS is so not 2009
[21:53] <hggdh> dooglus, bug 303949
[21:54] <hggdh> dooglus, for whatever reason the package was not built -- which warrants a bug by itself. but you can build it yourself
[21:55] <guntbert> bigbrovar: seems to be what I found (see also http://www.thinkpad-forum.de/thinkpad-software/linux-und-osx/62328-fprint-ersetzt-thinkfinger-in-jaunty-jackalope/)
[21:56] <bigbrovar> guntbert: thanks mate going though it now ..
[21:56] <hggdh> dooglus, finally: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/tor/<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1 Tor has been removed from the repositories
[21:57] <Activity-> hey there, any one of you fellas using the jaunty netbook remix?
[21:58] <Activity-> i might have found a bug, but i'd like some confirmation, before i report it.
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> Activity-: wassup
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> not on netbook remix though
[22:01] <Jordan_U> calc: I don't have any ddeb line in my sources.list
[22:02] <Activity-> when i open the shutdown menu adn then hit the "cancel" button, the menu does not close.
[22:02] <Activity-> the "X" in the window title bar does close it.
[22:02] <Jordan_U> Is it normal that update-manager wants to install a lot of -dbg packages on upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 ?
[22:02] <Activity-> maybe its just a messed up install, that's why i'd like so confirm it, before i report it.
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> Activity-: did you md5 check the iso you installed with? are you fully updated?
[22:06] <hggdh> Jordan_U, if you had them installed before the upgrade, yes
[22:06] <Jordan_U> hggdh: I didn't / don't ( I haven't upgraded yet )
[22:06] <Activity-> i used the netbook installer. running the check right now.
[22:07] <hggdh> Jordan_U, and you have *not* already installed .dbg's ?
[22:08] <hggdh> Jordan_U, also, .dbg is Debian-generated debug symbols, we mostly use .dbgsym
[22:08] <coppro> any ideas about flashplugin-nonfree?
[22:09] <Activity-> ActionParsnip, the md5 sums do match.
[22:09] <Activity-> i just ran the check on my 2nd netbook. same symptoms.
[22:09] <Activity-> im gonna re run the update, reboot and check again.
[22:10] <bigbrovar> guntbert: its a bug report and its not inspiring at all .. ubuntu still has a lot of work to do in other to get there ..
[22:11] <bigbrovar> guntbert: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/346083
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> Activity-: good
[22:12] <Activity-> takes a while with crappy 384kbps downstream
[22:12] <guntbert> bigbrovar: ok, thx for reporting back, as I said I guess I will wait a little....
[22:13] <bigbrovar> guntbert: yep we have no choice but to wait for some one to build a working ppa for fprintd and libusb .. knowing the ubuntu community and the kindness of their heart it wont be long :)
[22:17] <Kamitsukai1> Just added a bug report for my flash problem it appears it didn't add some plugin file to my .mozilla folder in home...
[22:19] <Activity-> ActionParsnip, update still underway. i made a quick check of the bugtracker, though. it appears no one else has reported the issue i stumbled upon, yet.
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> Activity-: get it logged'
[22:22] <tabgal> ok, has anyone seen something similar, in firefox, when you scroll down using pg down (for example) it scrolls not the page but the container. So I end up with a page rolled up (including scroll bar) but the bottom half is empty
[22:22] <Activity-> ActionParsnip, im gonna wait for the update's result.
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> tabgal: have you tried an extra profile?
[22:25] <tabgal> ActionParsnip, let me see
[22:27] <tabgal> ActionParsnip, ok, now I realised it only happens in a couple of pages, hummm
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> tabgal: possibly firefox rendering it wrong
[22:28] <tabgal> or maybe extentions...
[22:29] <tabgal> well, it's really, really weird
[22:29] <tabgal> but it only happens (as far as I found out) in orkut :/
[22:30] <Activity-> ActionParsnip, update didn't fix it.
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> !bug | Activity-
[22:31] <thiebaude> 304871
[22:32] <Activity-> what do you think im doing right now? ;)
[22:32] <jmichaelx>  i just upgraded to xubuntu jaunty, and have one gripe with the new xfce... so far, i have not been able to get the old functionality when right-clicking on the desktop... i want the applications menu ONLY, NOT the desktop menu, with a selection at the bottom for the apps menu. is there still a way to do this?
[22:32] <thiebaude> hi ActionParsnip
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> yo  yo yo thiebaude
[22:32] <thiebaude> yo to you
[22:34] <xangua> jmichaelx: go to the Preferences Panel in Xfce
[22:34] <xangua> you can change that there
[22:35] <jmichaelx> xangua: the preferences panel? i have never heard of such a thing
[22:35] <xangua> i mean the....aag i can remember
[22:35] <Tekno> Yo wassup mi niggas!
[22:35] <xangua>  i haven't use Xfce in some time
[22:35] <xangua> can't remember* jmichaelx
[22:36] <xangua> sorry
[22:36] <Ugi> Any one here know how to change the notification settings in jaunty?
[22:37] <thiebaude> !language|Tekno
[22:37] <jmichaelx> xangua: unfortunately, i think you're wrong.... the old right-click apps menu is gone in xfce4.6
[22:37] <Tekno> :|
[22:38] <xangua> it doesn't work no more.....jum thats bad
[22:40] <Ugi> Anyone?
[22:44] <xangua> hello, does anybody have this issue ¿ > when i play a file with Mplayer my screens turns darker
[22:46] <Andre_Gondim> I only don't have sound at youtube vídeo, does anyone has this problem to?
[22:49] <Ugi> How do i change the notify settings?
[22:49] <wirechief> cwillu i am having trouble getting the mesa patchs installed am having dependency issues any suggestions on order of install/un-install ? this is my list currently  http://pastebin.com/f10c1d306
[22:54] <IntuitiveNipple> Who broke Metacity and Xorg?!
[22:56] <awkorama> Hi. I would like to ask whether video playback will work out of box with desktop effects on nvidia cards with jaunty.
[22:57] <ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: Thas sounds kind of serious? o_O
[22:59] <ienorand> awkorama: For me it does: m8600gt dellxps1530 64bit (no video-drivers-worky on 32bit)
[22:59] <awkorama> no video drivers?
[23:00] <IntuitiveNipple> It feels it too! Rebooted a few minutes ago after a series of updates throughout the day. When metacity starts the first thing I noticed was that TomBoy notes are blank and stretched down the screen. Then I noticed the mouse cursor on the 2nd screen turns into the standard 'X' cursor, then found that applications have no window-decoration (so no system menu or min/max/close icons) and then found xchat couldn't get input focus on its text in
[23:00] <IntuitiveNipple> put boxes and hot-keys are ignored by metacity. I've had to start compiz to work-around it
[23:00] <ienorand> awkorama: They are there, but: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/342926
[23:01] <milen> hi there
[23:01] <awkorama> ienorand: I probably don't understand :).. you use 64bit ubuntu without video drivers?
[23:01] <milen> does anyone expericence crash of both nautilus and sound-juicer, after there's CD imported?
[23:01] <milen> I've been advised earlier to walk away from nautilus...
[23:02] <ienorand> awkorama: yes, and video driver for my particualar computer won't work on 32bit, not really much of an issue though.
[23:02] <milen> ...just trying to gather more info and thoughts..
[23:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmmm, libgtk and libpanel-applet and libgail updates today
[23:02] <awkorama> ienorand: so how do you load compiz without video driver?
[23:02] <ienorand> awkorama: Ah, I use 64bit _with_ drivers
[23:02] <milen> i'm on jaunty, btw
[23:02] <ienorand> awkorama: and they don't work on 32bit
[23:02] <awkorama> right
[23:03] <ienorand> awkorama: But that particualr issues is, I think, highly specific for my hardware...
[23:03] <awkorama> well i have intrepid with video drivers on 32bit ubuntu.. but when i turn compiz on i get this "bleeding" of picture
[23:03] <ienorand> *particular *issue
[23:03] <awkorama> as if vsync didn't work properly
[23:04] <xangua> awkorama: what video card do you use
[23:04] <xangua> ¿¿
[23:04] <awkorama> 8400mg
[23:04] <xangua> intel¿¿
[23:04] <awkorama> nvidia
[23:06] <milen> anyone? anyone have idea on the nautilus and sound-juicer's crash?
[23:07] <ajavid> hello guys
[23:07] <ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: on this side metacity seems to be ok...
[23:07] <ajavid> I am using the latest 9.04 on the website the RC
[23:07] <ajavid> E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the sun-java6-jre package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)
[23:07] <ajavid> E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download
[23:07] <ajavid> I tried to install java plugin, I am on i386
[23:08] <ajavid> I can't even remove this package
[23:08] <ajavid> i can't isntall and/or remove ANYthing else
[23:08] <DrMrHorse> the beta updated is the same as the RC?
[23:09] <ienorand> DrMrHorse: Should be
[23:09] <DrMrHorse> neato, ty
[23:11] <ajavid> anyone?
[23:11] <ajavid> i typed aptitude install sun-java6-jre and all hell broke loose
[23:12] <ienorand> ajavid: test synaptic...?
[23:13] <kinley>  hi there, is the a repasitory for mysql-server-5.1 5.1.33 an ubuntu hardy <IP_ADDRESS> as backports or sim. ?
[23:21] <DrMrHorse> ajavid: can you install anything?
[23:22] <sevenhill> Hello everyone
[23:22] <sevenhill> i think i have found the reasons of Xfreezing on 9.04 but mouse still active
[23:23] <loquitus_of_bor1> Hi. My sound has stopped working, for no apparent reason. Sound card is still detected but no output! Should I remove pulse? Reset alsa? Please help. I am using Jaunty. Sound was working ok (it would sometimes die and I would have to restart the machine) but now it does not work at all.
[23:24] <jbotalan> So I found a bug with the notification system in 9.04, but I don't know how to check if it's been reported or not, or how to report it if it isn't.
[23:25] <sevenhill> jbotalan: is it about freezing QtCore ?
[23:25] <loquitus_of_bor1> Should I just remove pulseaudio if Sound is not working?
[23:26] <jbotalan> I don't understand your question, but what happens is I hold "volume up" and the volume notification flickers, consuming 50% (one core) of my CPU for several seconds.
[23:28] <Stealthcpe> is there any support with regards to fglrx on jaunty?
[23:34] <flips01> on my eee with jaunty UNR, I switched to classic desktop, but all the windows are maximized right away ... I suspect "maximus" to be the reason ... (My system was installed with alpha6 and has been dist-upgraded since then)  What's the correct way to disable this maximus? (Removing should work, but then I can't switch back to the other view if I want to or have other users)
[23:36] <topyli> flips01: sounds like a bug to me
[23:36] <topyli> maximus has a command line switch, something like --no-respawn which allows you to kill it
[23:36] <topyli> i think your session starts it without this switch and it keeps respawning