[06:09]  * nigelb coughs
[06:10] <rww> hrm?
[17:57] <pleia2> AlanBell: just a quick reminder nudge regarding wiki stuff I need to send to canonical :)
[17:57]  * AlanBell is duely nudged


[22:05] <phillw> Hi anyone about to give me some rather fine tuned advice on setting the status of bug 1066435 which now has a proposed kernel fix.
[22:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1066435 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "powerpc: "Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed!"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066435
[23:43] <phillw> any bug masters about?


[07:23] <Technophil> Hi, I am trying to run up a new 0.23 mythbuntu frontend on 10.04, however I can't seem to get the last 0.23 version, instead it updates to 24158 with protocol 56.  Can one / how does one update to the last 0.23 image?
[16:08] <tgm4883> Technophil, did you activate the 0.23.1 repo or the 0.23.0 repo?
[17:39] <Technophil>  tgm4883: Thanks, I think I get it - I need to install the repo update option as a separate download.
[20:53] <qwebirc80684> hello room


[00:31] <mtaylor> I am getting package rejected emails and I do not know why
[00:33] <wgrant> mtaylor: What's the error message?
[00:34] <mtaylor> wgrant: dpkg-source failed for drizzle_2010.08.1717-3.2~lucid01.dsc [return: 29]
[00:35] <mtaylor> wgrant: quite possible that I've done something horribly horribly wrong ... but I hope not
[00:35] <wgrant> mtaylor: Looks like your package breaks our backported dpkg. Can you extract it locally on Lucid?
[00:35] <mtaylor> uh - lemme check
[00:36] <mtaylor> (was built on a squeeze box - perhaps I should build these on a lucid box?)
[00:36] <wgrant> Bonus points if you have a Karmic machine around on which to try it.
[00:36] <mtaylor> I do
[00:36]  * mtaylor likes working for a hosting company ... :)
[00:37] <wgrant> Since we're running roughly Karmic's dpkg backported to Hardy.
[00:37] <mtaylor> oh dear god
[00:37] <wgrant> Hm?
[00:37] <mtaylor> hardy is, um, old :)
[00:37] <wgrant> It was the latest LTS when we did the backport :)
[00:37] <mtaylor> hehe
[00:37] <wgrant> I'm not sure when the DC is going to Lucid.
[01:05] <thumper> hi mtaylor
[01:06] <spm> wgrant: it's already started
[01:06] <wgrant> spm: Yay.
[01:14] <parentel> I'm trying to access staging.launchpad.net, and it says "Code Update In Progress", and to come here if the situation persists...  any news on that?
[01:16] <mtaylor> hi thumper
[01:16] <thumper> spm: ETA on staging coming up?
[01:17] <spm> thumper: when you guess how long this piece of string is <== vaguely related answer. :-/
[01:17] <thumper> parentel: perhaps another 10 minutes
[01:17] <thumper> maybe?
[01:17] <thumper> spm: BTW, that piece of string is 26.35cm long
[01:17] <spm> maybe. I've been saying 5-15 mins for 35 mins now.
[01:18] <spm> thumper: damn! you're *good*!
[01:18] <thumper> spm: I know
[01:18]  * spm always forgets 'modest' when describing thumper
[01:20] <parentel> thanks for the information
[01:22] <spm> staging codebrowse just went down, so must be getting closer...
[01:24] <lifeless> spm: echannel :P
[01:24] <spm> I am multi-channel confused
[01:27] <lifeless> øsomething something death star?
[04:58] <d1b> hi um
[04:58] <d1b>  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/checkbox/maverick/revision/18 doesn't work :/
[04:59] <thumper> d1b: the code browser is undergoing rapid surgery right now
[04:59] <d1b> thumper: so why can't i see a more useful error message?
[04:59] <thumper> to pull its head out of its a#$%
[04:59] <d1b> sounds great
[04:59] <thumper> what are you seeing?
[04:59] <spm> d1b: try now?
[04:59] <d1b>   Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[05:00] <d1b> now it works
[05:35] <mtaylor> thumper: yay head out of ass!
[05:36] <thumper> mtaylor: :)
[05:40] <spm> mtaylor: a shower, or at least a good hair wash may be in order???
[05:43] <mneptok> thumper: http://mneptok.com/launchpad_404.jpg <---- make it so
[05:43] <thumper> mneptok: nice!
[05:44] <thumper> mneptok: I'll pass the request to spm
[05:45] <thumper> mneptok: although since I am fake-flacoste for a few weeks
[05:45] <thumper> perhaps we should just ram it in (as they say)
[05:45] <mwhudson> more appropriate for 503s, surely?
[05:45]  * spm may not be able to stop laughing long enough to actually get that image cherry picked into prod...
[05:45] <mneptok> that's "faux flacoste" monsieur ;)
[05:46] <mneptok> OK, bbiab, time for yoga.
[05:46] <mneptok> errr ... wait ... i ... uhhhh ....
[05:46] <StevenK> ... so you can do that?
[05:46] <spm> I was NOT trying to think that....
[05:46] <mneptok> StevenK: mmmrmrmmfffmrmrmrffmrmfmfrrf
[05:47] <StevenK> Oh, ew, I just saw "Rejecting telepathy-ring" on mawson
[05:47] <mneptok> spm: what you want to try to avoid thinking is seeing that picture and remembering the phrase "open Launchpad API"
[05:48] <spm> or menepolo... I still wait up screaming in the night from that one
[05:48] <mneptok> (API = Ass Phrenology Interface)
[05:48] <mneptok> spm: ooo! my friend sent another photo in that series.
[05:48] <spm> pls do share. /me rapidly puts kurt on /ignore
[05:48]  * mneptok feels the love :/
[05:49] <spm> oh dear. nearly had a keyboard+drink incident...
[05:49] <mneptok> how about something from the other end of the spectrum. this is a photo i sent to Linux Format to accompany an interview. they didn't run it. http://mneptok.com/bang.jpg
[05:50] <spm> surely they'd realise by now that all linux folks are gun nutters?
[05:51] <StevenK> We all aren't esr, thank you very much
[05:52] <mneptok> yet. but he's pretty sure it'll happen soon.
[05:52] <mwhudson> errrrrrrrrr
[05:52] <mneptok> (that's when i rotate that rifle 180 degrees)
[05:52]  * mwhudson chuckles
[06:05] <micahg> I just got a google maps APi error on edge
[06:10] <mtaylor> mneptok: bwahahaha
[06:19] <mneptok> mwhudson: http://mneptok.com/launchpad_503.jpg  <----- howzzat?
[06:20] <mwhudson> mneptok: :)
[08:58] <janimo> Are the restrictions on packages in a PPA the same as for those in the official Ubuntu archives? I saw the policy https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse but does not explicitly mention patents. So would libdvdcss2 for example be unfit?
[09:26] <noodles775> janimo: I'm not sure, but I assume the rule would be: If its published in main/universe then it's OK, if it's not published there (for legal reasons) then not.
[09:26] <noodles775> bigjools: ?
[09:26] <noodles775> 09:58 < janimo> Are the restrictions on packages in a PPA the same as for those in the official Ubuntu archives? I saw the policy  https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse but does not explicitly mention patents. So would libdvdcss2 for example be unfit?
[09:27] <bigjools> the only restriction I know of is that it's covered by a recognised open source licence
[09:28] <persia> Hrm?  So I can't release it under "Persia's License", which is a modified ISC to replace "The Copyright Holder" with "Emmet Hikory"?
[09:28]  * persia has seen *heaps* of software in PPAs that have that level of modification.
[09:28] <janimo> bigjools: besides the license the policy text says it should distributable by Canonical, but that is vagie
[09:29] <bigjools> the actual line says "released under a license permitting redistribution free of charge"
[09:29] <persia> That makes more sense.  That's Canonical refusing liability for redistribution costs.
[09:29] <bigjools> janimo: that does seem a little vague
[09:29] <wgrant> It's not actually terribly vague.
[09:29] <janimo> anyway thanks. I was wiondering if libdvdcss2 which is FOSS but patent encumbered I guess as most distros shy away from distributing it
[09:30] <persia> Indeed.  It's fairly standard language.
[09:30] <janimo> persia: yes, standard legal langues, thus vague :)
[09:30] <persia> Merely technical, much as smalltalk is not always readable to the layperson
[09:31] <bigjools> I know next to nothing about licensing/patents so I'll wait for someone who does
[09:32] <persia> Unofficially, the key bit is that the software be licensed to Canonical in a way that allows Canonical to allow arbitrary folks to download it however they like.  The rest is just preferred social engineering, and perhaps unacceptable terms.
[09:54] <dholbach> heya
[09:54] <dholbach> can somebody explain to me what's up with bug 625120? :)
[10:08] <Stefyy> can you tell me how to see videos from youtube?
[10:11] <noodles775> hi dholbach . From what I can make out on the bug, it looks like the loco APP stores the LP username. When the user updates their name in LP, and they login/logout of SSO, the signing showns the new username on SSO, but the loco app still has the old...
[10:12] <noodles775> hrm
[10:12] <janimo> Stefyy: ask in the #ubuntu channel next time (but probably you need to instal the flashplugin-installer package)
[10:13] <einstein1969> hi to all
[10:13] <noodles775> dholbach: can you check the admin interface for the loco app, and check for both usernames?
[10:14] <dholbach> noodles775, the LD updates information about the admins and owners of LP teams in a cronjob
[10:15] <noodles775> dholbach: Yep, but he's still being shown his old username once redirected back to loco isn't he?
[10:16] <dholbach> yeah, I just don't know why
[10:16] <noodles775> dholbach: Do you have access to the admin site for loco? if so, the data may reveal all :)
[10:17] <dholbach> noodles775, hang on for a sec, I need to dig it out again
[10:19] <dholbach> noodles775, just chatting with stuartm from isd, he might have some code for me to fix it
[10:19] <dholbach> thanks a lot noodles775
[10:19] <noodles775> dholbach: great.
[10:24] <dholbach> noodles775, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/625120/comments/9 - thanks again
[10:25] <noodles775> dholbach: great!
[10:33] <einstein1969> I am following a bug (623450) on "zenity" and "gnome system monitor". But it's' been placed in state "invalid". Now I have found a way to reproduce and I updated the bug. With this state, will ' considered?
[10:38] <noodles775> Hi einstein1969, best to check with the zenity people, but given that you've both commented that you are able to reproduce, I think it is safe to set it back to New.
[10:43] <einstein1969> noodles775: can " i " set back to new?
[10:45] <einstein1969> noodles775: where i find the zenity people or "gnome system monitor" people?
[10:48] <noodles775> einstein1969: All the relevant people are subscribed to the bug, so they will have received your update (and Muflone's).
[10:48] <noodles775> einstein1969: regarding setting it back to new, what happens when you click on 'Invalid' at the top of the bug?
[10:49] <noodles775> If nothing happens, then you can't update it (but it's not yet been a day, give them some time :) ).
[10:51] <einstein1969> thanks noodles775 :)
[10:52] <noodles775> no problem.
[11:04] <bencer> can i copy binaries from partner repository to my ppa without rebuilding
[11:05] <bigjools> bencer: why do you need to do that?
[11:06] <bencer> bigjools: on eBox Platform we use PPA as the main repository, and now we have a module for zarafa
[11:07] <bigjools> also see https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse
[11:07] <bencer> we would like to avoid people having to add two repositories more
[11:07] <bencer> and currently, launchpad is taking so many ours to build our packages ...
[11:07] <bigjools> that will improve, there was a problem with a new kernel breaking xen
[11:07] <bigjools> the builders are all back up now
[11:08] <bencer> also I ask myself if launchpad could give more building priority to native ubuntu projects
[11:08] <bencer> to other "normal" users
[11:08] <bencer> we are releasing on 1st, and with current building times, we need the final release ready 2-3 days in advance ...
[11:09] <bigjools> everyone who uses the build farm thinks their builds are more important than everyone else's :)
[11:10] <bigjools> anyway, copying partner packages to a PPA would break the terms of use
[11:10] <bencer> bigjools: i know :)
[11:10] <bencer> bigjools: we are using zarafa open source version
[11:11] <bencer> about building priority, imho its not the same building a custom package that an ubuntu native project
[11:12] <bencer> and would be very sad for us, moving away from launchpad because we can't deal with that build times
[11:12] <bencer> anyway, good to listen that's going to improve back
[11:16] <bigjools> bencer: yes, the current queue is less than an hour
[11:17] <bencer> bigjools: that's good enough, thanks :)
[11:17] <bencer> an other feature request that we have raised a couple of times before is ppa statistics
[11:18] <bencer> we know how many people download the installer, but not how many uses the ppa
[11:18] <bigjools> bencer: it's in progress - we found some problems with the script that's supposed to produce them (in that it eats all the server memory)
[11:18] <bencer> oh that's great news!
[11:18] <bigjools> talking of which, noodles775, did you file another bug about that?
[11:19] <bencer> bigjools: is there any estimated date for it ? could we help with something ?
[11:19] <noodles775> I did... looking
[11:19] <bigjools> great
[11:19] <bigjools> bencer: if you want to help code on the bug, you can!
[11:19] <noodles775> bug 622765
[11:20] <bigjools> thanks noodles775
[11:21] <bigjools> bencer: let me know if that's something you want to help fix
[11:21] <bencer> i'll send a message to all the guys here asking for a volunteer, otherwise i'll try to have a look at that myself next week
[11:22] <bencer> now all our efforts are on the release, which is next week :)
[11:23] <bencer> bigjools: noodles775 i will come to you about this bug next week, thanks dudes
[11:23] <bigjools> great
[11:43] <Laney> is it just me or did various text on edge get huge recently?
[11:45] <jpds> Laney: Ubuntu font?
[11:45] <Laney> jpds: For example changelogs and bug comments
[11:49] <Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/huge.png somewhat like that
[12:38] <maxb> Laney: It's not just you
[13:11] <Laney> maxb: is there a bug?
[13:11] <maxb> Not that I know of, but it has been mentioned here
[13:12] <maxb> the problem that is, not a bug
[13:32] <weather15> Hello Everyone
[13:32] <weather15> Anyone know why I can't seem to delete a recipe and a branch on edge?
[16:04] <AJenbo> Why are all bugreports i make marked as privat?
[16:07] <jpds> AJenbo: Are they apport bugs?
[16:16] <AJenbo> jpds, yeah i think so.
[16:16] <jpds> AJenbo: Those are private by default, the collected files attached can potentially contain private data.
[16:16] <AJenbo> The last one i just sendt in was done from a fresh live CD where ubiquity crashed
[16:17] <AJenbo> jpds, ok, makes sence
[16:17] <AJenbo> i'll have to take note next time i report some thing manually
[16:17] <AJenbo> jpds, is this a new setting (with in the last 6 months or so)?
[16:18] <jpds> AJenbo: I think it has always been that way.
[16:18] <AJenbo> ok, i never noticed it befor i reported on a U1 account issue
[16:19] <AJenbo> and then sudenly every thing seamed to be private
[16:19] <AJenbo> maybe just a change of habits :)
[16:21] <bsaibes> Is the Staging server up? I have been trying to use it since yesterday, it err with staging server is currently getting code  update
[16:47] <serfus> hey guys, i'm trying to add a related FAQ to a question on launchpad but seem like no matter what i do i get error "You didn't modify the linked FAQ."
[16:47] <serfus> what do i need to do in order to post that FAQ ?
[16:49] <dpm> abentley, rockstar, henninge pointed me to you guys as the experts on this. Are mirrored branches read-only? I'm wondering if a mirrored branch can be used as the source for automatic translation exports
[16:49] <nigelb> It might be protected.
[16:49] <nigelb> serfus: I think somone here would help you with that :)
[16:49] <nigelb> i.e. you can say what needs to be added
[16:49] <abentley> dpm, mirrored branches are read-only for users.  They are written to only by the mirroring process.
[16:50] <dpm> ok, thanks abentley!
[16:50] <al> yea, thanks :>
[16:54] <serfus> nigelb, i'm trying to add to this https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+question/122944 question a link from the ubuntu wiki
[16:54] <ari-tczew> I have a problem with launchpad - browser firefox. Every visited launchpad's page giving an error about API server refused. 'client parametr is not valid'.
[16:54] <ari-tczew> micahg: ^
[16:55] <serfus> ari-tczew, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+question/123004
[16:55] <serfus> that's a problem with google itself
[16:56] <nigelb> ari-tczew: google maps something?
[16:57] <abentley> bigjools, which ppa is breaking this? http://librarian.dogfood.launchpad.net/51750858/buildlog.txt.gz  Is it because there are no bzr-builder packages for dapper?
[16:57] <ari-tczew> nigelb: perhaps, because 'bugs' page doesn
[16:57] <ari-tczew> doesn't give an error
[16:57] <bigjools> abentley: I don;t know, the build URL is more useful
[16:57] <abentley> bigjools, https://code.dogfood.launchpad.net/~abentley/+recipe/wakeonlan-lucid/+build/286
[16:57] <bigjools> oh wait - bzr-builder-dev
[16:58] <bigjools> bzr-builder-dev is not set up for dapper
[16:59] <abentley> bigjools, okay.  Can we disable using that PPA?  This version of launchpad-buildd runs bzr-builder in the host.
[17:00] <bigjools> abentley: just upload a dummy package to dapper in that PPA
[17:01] <bigjools> or, don't build recipes on dapper ...!
[17:01] <abentley> bigjools, you say that like I should know how to create a dummy package.
[17:01] <abentley> bigjools, I'd like to be able to build recipes on dapper if the technology permits.
[17:01] <bigjools> abentley: copy something then
[17:09] <micahg> ari-tczew: I had that last night I wasn't sure if it was an LP issue or Google issue
[17:09] <micahg> ari-tczew: are you on edge.launchpad.net?
[17:09] <ari-tczew> micahg: no, normal launchpad.net
[17:10] <sinzui> I am going to remove maps from user and team pages. I think we will cherry pick this into production
[17:12] <micahg> ari-tczew: I would guess it's a google issue then
[17:13] <micahg> wait, it seems they might have added a new parameter (sensor)
[17:13] <sinzui> Google's SSL map server is broken, or more likely that data about paid clients is broken
[17:13] <micahg> sinzui: have you seen this: http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/geocoding/#GeocodingRequests
[17:14] <nigelb> micahg: the sensor thing has been there for a looong time
[17:14] <nigelb> I think its from 1.3
[17:14] <micahg> nigelb: oh, ok, nm then :)
[17:14] <nigelb> err s/1.3/v#
[17:14] <nigelb> *V3
[17:14] <sinzui> I have not.
[17:14] <nigelb> Gah, typing fail
[17:43] <exarkun> 'The Google Maps API server rejected your request. The "client" parameter specified in the request is invalid.'
[17:55] <komputes> SPAM FOUND: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntfs-3g/+bug/175503/comments/27
[17:56] <nigelb> komputes: could you open a question?
[17:56] <komputes> nigelb: sure, for which project?
[17:57] <sinzui> exarkun, see bug 624981
[17:57] <exarkun> Ah.  Thanks.
[17:58] <nigelb> komputes: LP would do :)
[17:59] <komputes> nigelb: done - https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/123016
[18:00] <nigelb> I hope one of the losas take a look soon :)
[18:31] <soren> It seems Launchpad's Google Maps API key expired or something.
[18:31] <soren> If I go to e.g. https://edge.launchpad.net/~openstack I get an error:
[18:32] <soren> Um... it's in Danish, so it'll probably not be very useful :)
[18:33] <soren> Short version: Google Maps server rejects the request saying the "client" parameter is invalid.
[18:37] <Ursinha> soren, there's a bug for it
[18:38] <Ursinha> (not sure I'm online now or if anyone else already replied you)
[18:40] <soren> Ursinha: I read you loud an clear, and no, noone responded yet.
[18:40] <soren> Ursinha: But ok, cool, if someone's on top of it, that's great.
[18:41] <beuno> soren, it's a known issue from Google
[18:41] <beuno> the bug has been reported and we're waiting on them
[18:41] <beuno> sinzui, are there any plans to cowboy a fix?
[18:42] <sinzui> beuno, I just confirmed I cannot trust the feature flag.
[18:42] <soren> beuno: Oh, wow.
[18:42] <sinzui> beuno, the issue is not just turning it of, it is being able to turn it on when google fixes its issue
[18:59] <daker> hello
[18:59] <daker> i have a problem
[20:45] <goundy> Hi
[20:45] <goundy> still no coming projects wiki support ?
[21:08] <lucidfox> How do I add a download to a Launchpad project?
[21:14] <james_w> lucidfox: you need to create a release first
[21:14] <lucidfox> james_w> How do I do that, assuming the project doesn't use bzr?
[21:14] <james_w> lucidfox: nothing to do with bzr here
[21:15] <lucidfox> Ah right
[21:16] <lucidfox> I see "Create release" no
[21:16] <lucidfox> * now
[21:27] <lucidfox> james_w> Found it, thanks, made a release. Is it possible to link different git branches to different bzr branches?
[21:27] <james_w> lucidfox: link in what way?
[21:27] <lucidfox> through the VCS import system
[21:28] <james_w> ah, I see
[21:28] <james_w> no, not yet
[21:28] <james_w> though work is in progress I think
[21:32] <lucidfox> james_w> also, it turns out that the git branch I'm trying to mirror is already linked to a different LP project
[21:35] <james_w> lucidfox: is your project more "correct" for it?
[21:36] <lucidfox> I'd assume so - the project is gtkpod, the git repository in question is gtkpod's upstream git, and the other project is gpod-sharp, which is now merged anyway
[21:36] <lucidfox> into libgpod
[21:36] <james_w> sounds about right
[21:36] <james_w> if you file a question on LP explaining that then someone should be able to move it over
[21:50] <vish> the lp fonts just switch to Ubuntu fonts?  or is that something my system is doing now?
[21:50]  * vish thought lp fonts were hard-coded
[22:00] <MichealH> The google Maps thing has broken for he
[22:01] <kklimonda> yeah
[22:01] <MichealH> Is it broken for everyone?
[22:01] <kklimonda> with a nasty error
[22:01] <Ursinha> MichealH, yes, it is
[22:01] <Ursinha> it's a known bug
[22:01] <MichealH> Ahh Okay
[22:01]  * Ursinha goes find the number
[22:02] <Ursinha> MichealH, bug 624981
[22:02] <MichealH> Okay
[22:02] <MichealH> Can I say the bug affects me?
[22:03] <Ursinha> MichealH, sure
[22:03] <MichealH> Done
[22:04] <aaronfournier> I'm having trouble posting a bug on Launchpad due to not being able to send a referer. I installed the Firefox add on that should let me send one, but it's still giving me an error :/
[22:06] <aaronfournier> Is there something I should be doing to be able to send one?
[22:12] <aaronfournier> I did look through the above links (and Google) and didn't find anything that could help. I'll search more if I have to, but I was hoping someone here could help me.
[22:22] <aaronfournier> Is there anyone who can help me with referer headers in Launchpad?
[22:31] <aaronfournier> Nevermind
[22:31] <aaronfournier> Fixed it...
[22:34] <pmatulis> i cannot view an attachment i uploaded to a (private) bug today ("file not found").  when i download it i can view it.  anyone?
[22:41] <aaronfournier> pmatulis, can you view attachments from public bugs?
[22:46] <pmatulis> aaronfournier: can you point me to one?  :)
[22:46] <pmatulis> aaronfournier: actually, yes, just found one
[22:46] <pmatulis> aaronfournier: now i'm trying to find another private one
[22:53] <aaronfournier> pmatulis: well I was looking around hoping to find a way to help you, but I'm not sure if I will be able  to, sorry :|
[23:34] <KruyKaze> hi everyone
[23:35] <KruyKaze> is there an easy way to take my lucid PPA's and use them on Maveric ?


[07:02] <loof> Odd question... I'm trying to install 13.04 off a usb stick... I go to install and it's starting up X as if it's a live CD
[07:02] <loof> Am I missing something obvious, or is there something wrong?
[11:50] <highvoltage> hey everyone
[11:51] <highvoltage> loof: that's normal if you choose the first option from the boot menu. inside the live session you'll find an install button on the main menu to the left
[11:51] <highvoltage> loof: if you choose the second option on the usb boot menu then it will take you straight to the installer


[01:35] <diddledan> -_-
[01:42] <daftykins> diddledan: sup sir?
[01:43]  * zmoylan-pi ponders trying to get a gang together to go and see 2001 in cinema...
[01:48] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: o rly, could be a fun jaunt if the audio is good quality
[01:48] <daftykins> and not that ricer cinema experience of BOOM BOOM is best
[01:49] <zmoylan-pi> cinema near me playing it is art house cinema and not chain turn volume to 11 megachain
[01:52] <daftykins> ah-har :D
[01:53]  * m0nkey_ tickles diddledan
 Congratulations on your move to Guernsey!
[02:05] <diddledan> allo m0nkey_
[02:16] <m0nkey_> work gave me a laptop. locked down windows 7.
[02:16] <diddledan> ouch
[02:16] <m0nkey_> no choice but cygwin
[02:16] <diddledan> heh, nice bypass there
[02:17] <m0nkey_> at least i can have all my common tools, install X if I need it
[02:17] <zmoylan-pi> boot off usb or sd card?
[02:17] <m0nkey_> wouldn't be surprised if that's blocked
[02:18] <zmoylan-pi> probably but sometimes missed by less smart i.t. departments, sometimes deliberatly
[02:18] <m0nkey_> it's not bad form factor. some HP thing, 13"
[02:18] <m0nkey_> i5, 8GB RAM
[02:19] <m0nkey_> heh
[02:20] <m0nkey_> I had a 16GB sandisk fit, a tiny USB I could have plugged in all the time
[02:20] <m0nkey_> *have
[02:24] <daftykins> :D
[02:25] <zmoylan-pi> add a path to a bunch of noinstall apps on that and you're covered
[02:25] <m0nkey_> :)
[02:31] <m0nkey_> I'll probably get IT to install vmware or virtualbox or something.
[02:32] <m0nkey_> considering i'm going to be doing some python, perl, php coding for linux boxes, i need a test environment :)
[02:37] <daftykins> does it have an optical drive?
[02:37] <m0nkey_> nope
[02:37] <m0nkey_> it's a 13" notebook thing
[02:37] <daftykins> meh my 11" has one ;)
[02:37] <m0nkey_> This is it.. http://www8.hp.com/ca/en/products/laptops/product-detail.html?oid=5405376
[02:37] <diddledan> I've got a floppy
[02:37] <daftykins> diddledan: family friendly!
[02:38] <diddledan> :-p
[02:38] <m0nkey_> lol
[02:38] <m0nkey_> Was about to counter that what they call floppy disks in south africa.. lol
[02:38] <daftykins> O_O do tell?
[02:39] <diddledan> ask sabdfl
[02:39] <m0nkey_> stiffy disk
[02:39] <diddledan> :-p
[02:39] <diddledan> o_O
[02:39] <m0nkey_> look it up, tis true.
[02:40] <diddledan> is this because they never had anything larger than the 3.5inchers?
[02:40]  * m0nkey_ groans
[02:40] <daftykins> this is why we can't take him anywhere
[02:41] <m0nkey_> What the heck is a SE SSD?
[02:41] <daftykins> s...econd edition? :D
[02:41] <m0nkey_> Does that mean self encrypted?
[02:41] <diddledan> second edition
[02:41] <diddledan> :-p
[02:41] <m0nkey_> yeah, self encryption.
[02:41] <m0nkey_> thats what this thing has
[02:41] <m0nkey_> so yeah.. ssd is encrypted
[02:42] <daftykins> did you say windows 7 though?
[02:42] <diddledan> I don't get how that helps. it's only encrypted until you try to use it?
[02:42] <m0nkey_> yeah, win 7 enterprise
[02:42] <diddledan> where is the key stored?
[02:42] <m0nkey_> it's got a TPM
[02:42] <diddledan> hmm
[02:42] <m0nkey_> so in that, i guess
[02:42] <m0nkey_> i dunno
[02:42] <daftykins> i'd bet it has no CoA sticker on - but that it has a win8 key embedded in the EFI
[02:42] <m0nkey_> i didn't set this thing on it
[02:42] <m0nkey_> no COA
[02:43] <m0nkey_> heh, if it does, could come in useful :)
[02:43] <daftykins> if you're ever mad enough to use 8 D:
[02:43] <daftykins> i put the £25 upgrade on my windows 7 Asus, i hadn't seen BSODs in years
[02:43] <m0nkey_> got 8.1 on the gaming rig, seems perfectly usable.
[02:43] <daftykins> no idea why it doesn't agree with my Asus o0
[02:49] <m0nkey_> finally, i'll soon be able to use my phone to buy stuff.. http://mobilesyrup.com/2014/12/04/paypal-one-touch-rolling-out-to-canada-today/
[02:50] <daftykins> i'm not entirely... trusting of paypal
[02:51] <m0nkey_> I've not had any run ins with paypal
[02:51] <m0nkey_> even when i moved from UK to Canada, they were one of the few companies to allow me to change to a Canadian address without having to create a new account
[02:52] <daftykins> ah ok
[02:52] <m0nkey_> microsoft, when i tried to move my xbox live account. they wouldn't allow it.
[02:52] <daftykins> at the same time as changing your pass post-hack? ;)
[02:52] <m0nkey_> :)
[02:57] <diddledan> "It seems Schimmelpenninck, during a performance in Birmingham, England, was hit in the scrotum by a streamer cannon, rupturing one the bassist’s testicles onstage."
[02:58] <diddledan> sounds fun
[02:58] <diddledan> (ref: http://ultimateclassicrock.com/delain-ruptured-testicle/)
[02:58] <daftykins> i'll bet his penninck Schimmel'd
[06:24] <mapps> hi alll
[06:24] <daftykins> what-o, mapps i'm about to go!
[06:24] <daftykins> it's like a shift change
[06:26] <mapps> heh
[06:26] <mapps> just got home from work
[06:26] <mapps> watch rest of arrow then sleep time for me
[06:30] <daftykins> :>
[06:32] <mapps> what time do u get up daftykins  with your odd hours;p
[06:34] <daftykins> i don't even know
[06:34] <daftykins> i'm all over the shop, me
[06:35] <mapps> heh
[06:36] <daftykins> right gotta sleep
[06:36] <daftykins> laters \o
[08:10] <diplo> Morning all
[08:16] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[08:28] <diplo> Quiet in here a lot recently :)
[08:28] <MooDoo> yeah i've noticed that
[08:29] <popey> well...
[08:30] <diplo> Cheapest place to get spinning rust, I was hoping prices may have dropped a bit but they haven't and my drive is getting worse
[08:30] <diplo> And a question for you bods :)
[08:31] <diplo> With things like BTRFS or ZFS, is there a way of using different sized drives in any sort of array of drives ?
[08:31] <popey> btrfs can use differing sized disks, yes
[08:31] <popey> dunno about zfs, never used it
[08:32] <diplo> I did think I heard you say that
[08:32] <diplo> Did you ever blog about your setup popey ?
[08:32] <popey> yeah, google popey btrfs
[08:32] <popey> but my blog is down at the moment
[08:33] <diplo> Basically what I'd like to do as money is rather tight and it's Xmas that I buy 1 x 4tb drive and use an existing 2tb drive and add a few other drives as I get the money
[08:33] <diplo> ut oh, you broke it ?
[08:33] <diplo> Cached FTW :)
[08:35] <popey> ☻
[08:35] <popey> yeah, i have 12x2TB in mine
[08:35] <diplo> I do wish I had some more cash and just buy 3 x 4tb but I need a car more than hdd's
[08:35] <diplo> :)
[08:35] <popey> well you don't need to buy 3 right away, do you?
[08:36] <popey> you could buy one, and re-use the 2TB drive
[08:36] <diplo> Nope, that's why I want to add
[08:36] <popey> then add disks as the money is available
[08:36] <diplo> yeah I have a raid 0 ( dont ask me why I did that?!?!?! ) with 1 disk failing
[08:36] <popey> eek
[08:37] <popey> mine is currently doing a btrfs balance
[08:37] <diplo> I think I was expecting to buy a load of disks after my first play and then divorce etc happened and for the last 4 years it's been fine
[08:37] <popey> 1646 out of about 8648 chunks balanced (1647 considered),  81% left
[08:37] <popey> chug chug chug
[08:37] <popey> yeah, you don't need a load of disks really, just one ㋛
[08:37] <popey> that balance has been running for a few days, got maybe 2 more weeks to go
[08:38] <diplo> So should I go gren or red WD ?
[08:38] <diplo> green*
[08:38] <diplo> What does the balance do then ?
[08:38] <popey> shuffles the data about to spread it more evenly
[08:38] <popey> useful after you swap a disk out
[08:38] <popey> or add disks
[08:38] <diplo> ah right, sounds good
[08:43] <diplo> Seems I should go for the Reds, from what I've read the greens seem to fail more often
[08:43] <MooDoo> I'm after reds for my servers, £70 ish for 2TB
[08:44] <diplo> I was going for the 4tb as I have 2.4tb of data
[08:44] <MooDoo> I'm just getting up to 1tb so 2 is fine for me :D
[08:45] <diplo> I had 3.8tb - Just had a huge clean out ready for this
[08:45] <MooDoo> well that's in my nas, I just want reds for my webserver and virt server
[08:45] <diplo> http://www.amazon.co.uk/3-5-inch-Desktop-Drive-Frustration-Packaging/dp/B00I8O6SBK/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1417768121&sr=8-10&keywords=4tb+internal+hard+drive
[08:45] <MooDoo> i've got HA for my ubuntu servers, but want reliable drives.
[08:45] <diplo> Anyone know annywhere cheaper before I hit the button
[08:46] <MooDoo> can't say i do
[08:46] <ali1234> scan?
[08:46] <diplo> ah forgot about them!
[08:47] <diplo> Cheaper by a penny :D
[08:47] <ali1234> no, 10p
[08:48] <MooDoo> I'll wait till I get any christmas money, i'm in no rush as it means a total server reinstall any way
[08:50] <diplo> Ordered
[08:50] <diplo> ta
[08:51] <MooDoo> :D
[09:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Soil Day!  My boys are getting fed up with "haxx" on avicus and mineplex and keep getting banned when they comment on flying characters and one-hit kills.  :-P
[10:29] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2
[10:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: how am ya chap
[10:31] <JamesTait> Happy World Soil Day, davmor2. :)
[10:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: ah so you got online before me for a change \o/ :)  /me digs a hole plants a plant in the hole and throws the excess soil in JamesTait 's direction
[10:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm good thanks :D
[10:40] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> bright and sunny morning so it's a trap obviously.....
[10:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: you started building lego's yet?
[10:42] <intrbiz> bigcalm: morning
[10:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: you haven't been following my tweets I see
[10:45] <bigcalm> Hi kids :)
[10:46] <bigcalm> davmor2: Snowspeeder and AT-AT are done. Will save the Super Star Destroyer for xmas time
[10:46] <bigcalm> Or maybe next weekend
[10:47] <brobostigon> moring boys and girls.
[10:49] <bigcalm> Today I shall mostly be listening to the 44 albums from my various Humble Bundle purchases. Starting with the Awesomenauts OST as it's AWESOME!
[10:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: nicec at-at was it fun to build do the legs move as expected etc
[10:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: today I will mostly be listening to The Lord of the Rings bbc radio play
[10:57] <bigcalm> davmor2: the legs do move as expected. Which is why I always thought the design was very impractical
[10:57] <davmor2> hahaha
[10:58] <zmoylan-pi> i was tempted to get the star wars lego at-at and add the robotics kit just to have it wandering at random around the home.  and if anyone asked why, just respond that it was looking for the rebel base :-)
[11:00] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: my question then would be what happens when it finds it?
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> then the fireworks begin as they try to take out the generators
[11:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/540823429474422784
[11:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahahahaha
[11:22] <MooDoo> darn this superhub
[11:22] <bigcalm> MooDoo: are you running it in modem only mode?
[11:22] <zmoylan-pi> oops http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/sony/11274727/Sony-saved-thousands-of-passwords-in-a-folder-named-Password.html
[11:23] <MooDoo> bigcalm: no not yet.....i'm remote accessing my vps at home, but my main webserver isn't accessible....strange
[11:23] <MooDoo> and i can't get onto the super hub, keeps timing out :(
[11:23] <bigcalm> MooDoo: the super hub is very reliable when running in modem only mode and hooked up to a router of your own choosing
[11:24] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yeah people keep telling me that, I'll do that when I get home tonight, just a pain when it doesn't work and causes me issues.
[11:29] <popey> yeah
[11:29] <popey> So, virgin media.... ☻
[11:29] <popey> My mum phoned them up to get caller ID turned on
[11:29] <popey> She said she also wanted to review her package
[11:30] <popey> They upsold her a tivo, downgraded her internet and she's paying 10 quid more
[11:30] <popey> undoing her "mates rates" deal she had which I setup
[11:30] <popey> I have complained and hopefully we'll get it reinstated
[11:30] <MooDoo> didn't you phone them up the other day?
[11:30] <bigcalm> popey: argh :(
[11:30] <popey> yes
[11:30] <popey> phoned them twice
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> he's still on hold from the other day :-P
[11:31] <popey> heh
[11:31] <popey> they also lied about her recorded content still being available on the new box
[11:32] <zmoylan-pi> they'll say anything to get out the door
[11:34] <Myrtti> meh.
[11:34] <MooDoo> I can connect to my kvm host at home, my desktop, but not my main webserver or superhub, god daaaamn raaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[11:34] <brobostigon> even if they have to break the law doing so.
[11:34] <Myrtti> I hate my arduino a bit
[11:35] <brobostigon> which one have you got?
[11:35] <Myrtti> I've got two floras, one Pro Trinket for which I develop using an Uno
[11:35] <brobostigon> i have, two duemilenove and one due.
[11:36] <brobostigon> ah, cool.
[11:37] <awilkins> I have one that I strap to my head ( Micro )
[11:37] <awilkins> As part of an EDTracker
[11:37] <Myrtti> I'm doing my bouquet
[11:38] <awilkins> And one that's part of a prototyping kit I got from an Arduino course
[11:48] <foobarry> getting java apps to run is such a beast
[11:48] <foobarry> always with teh "blocked by java" issues
[11:55] <foobarry> even adding to the site exception list still gets blocked :(
[11:59] <bigcalm> Anybody know how to kill a dhcp licence in open-wrt, or possible from a machine so that it gets a new lease?
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> what os is the client machine?
[12:01] <bigcalm> Ubuntu
[12:01] <popey> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#.VIBaW4v4iik
[12:01] <bigcalm> It's a vagrant vm that's using the wrong IP address on my LAN
[12:01] <bigcalm> popey: This plug-in is not supported
[12:02] <intrbiz> bigcalm: does the vagrant vm have a static MAC address?
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> sudo dhclient -r according to http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-renew-dhcp-client-ip-address/
[12:03] <bigcalm> intrbiz: it does
[12:03] <bigcalm> Which I don't want to change
[12:04] <intrbiz> you should be able to add a static lease on the DHCP server
[12:04] <bigcalm> I don't want to do that either :)
[12:04] <intrbiz> zmoylan-pi: DHCP will ask to use the same address
[12:05] <intrbiz> you can remvoe the state file on the client, usually in /var/lib/dhcpcd or /var/lib/dhclient
[12:05] <popey> excellent, stream broke
[12:05] <bigcalm> popey: and the stream breaks :(
[12:05] <intrbiz> bigcalm: why don't you want to add a static lease on the open-wrt box?
[12:06] <popey> ffs
[12:06] <popey> skips forward to launched
[12:06] <bigcalm> intrbiz: because then I'd end up doing so for all of my vagrant machines, which I don't need to
[12:06] <intrbiz> ok
[12:06] <bigcalm> Once the lease expires in 11+ hours and I bring the VM up again, it should get the correct IP address
[12:07] <bigcalm> I wanted to know if I speed things along
[12:07] <intrbiz> does your open-wrt support registering client DNS updates?
[12:07] <bigcalm> I wouldn't know :)
[12:08] <intrbiz> ok
[12:08]  * popey hugs openwrt
[12:08] <intrbiz> out of interest, does vagrant have a way to configure a VM with a static address?
[12:09] <bigcalm> Yes
[12:09] <bigcalm> For the private network at least
[12:09] <bigcalm> But I shouldn't have to for the public network (my LAN)
[12:10] <bigcalm> I've shut down the vagrant machines but the leases remain on the router. Need to work out how to remove those leases
[12:12]  * bigcalm ssh's in and does some damage
[12:13] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you can edit the lease file on the DHCP server, you need to stop DHCPD first and be careful to get it correct
[12:14] <bigcalm> Yay, worked it out
[12:14] <bigcalm> ssh'd to the router. removed the 2 offending leases from /var/dhcp.leases
[12:14] <bigcalm> Refreshed the web interface and they are no longer visible
[12:15] <bigcalm> Lets see if the VMs get the expected IPs now
[12:17] <intrbiz> did you reload dhcpd?
[12:18] <bigcalm> Nope, that's why it didn't work :)
[12:18] <intrbiz> you need to stop it, edit the file, start it
[12:18] <intrbiz> you also need to remove the file on the client and the client will probably try to get it's previous address again
[12:18] <bigcalm> Yeah, trick will be finding the script for start/stop on the router
[12:19] <bigcalm> Ah, okay
[12:20] <bigcalm> Well this is taking longer than expected. I'll put up with the wrong IP address for today. It'll have sorted it self out by Monday
[12:20] <intrbiz> :)
[12:33] <popey> https://twitter.com/Trumpton_UKIP fun
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> brilliant!
[12:37] <bigcalm> Amusing :)
[12:40] <bigcalm> ARGH at having to logout and back in to add my user to a new group
[12:40] <bigcalm> Why is this still a thing?
[12:41] <awilkins> When it all gets baked into systemd it will no longer be a thing because it will all support update events!
[12:41] <awilkins> BOW DOWN BEFORE systemd!
[12:41]  * awilkins stops trolling
[12:41]  * zmoylan-pi resumes sharpening pitchfork
[12:42] <awilkins> Glad they forked Debian, TBH
[12:43] <awilkins> Not sure I'm bothered to a degree that will stop me using a Debian derivative
[12:43] <MooDoo> I don't know what the bloomin problem is sheesh
[12:43] <awilkins> But their concerns make sense
[12:43] <MooDoo> to be honest if it runs apache or mysql or what ever i need, then i don't care about the init system
[12:44] <awilkins> I think that's part of the concern, TBH
[12:45] <awilkins> The justification for systemd makes no sense in the face of the majority of us who don't care about the "advantages" it claims to offer
[12:45] <awilkins> Don't give a rat's ass about boot speed
[12:45] <awilkins> Boot speed is *already* stupid fast
[12:45] <awilkins> Why overturn all the tables in the dining room for a few extra seconds of productivity a day
[12:46] <popey> thats a very narrow view
[12:46] <popey> its not just desktop which has boot speed as a factor
[12:46] <popey> massive scale out deployments benefit from fast boot
[12:51] <awilkins> Servers : will spend longer initializing their RAID card than booting, very often (in my experience)
[12:51] <awilkins> I can see it for phones and other small devices that you want to work NOW
[12:51] <awilkins> But the solution for those that's already being used is pretty good
[12:52] <popey> uh, not VMs in the cloud
[12:52] <awilkins> Is it necessary to amalgamate all the things that systemd does, to gain the fast boot (genuine question)?
[12:52] <popey> you're the one fixated on boot speed
[12:52] <awilkins> Well, boot speed is the most common justification for it I hear
[12:52] <popey> that's not really the main thing systemd is billed as 'fixing' as I understand it
[12:53] <popey> i only ever hear that from users, not developers
[12:53] <awilkins> I would be interested to hear what is, from another perspectie
[12:54]  * awilkins looks at a table here : http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html
[12:58] <awilkins> See, the table looks awesome
[12:58] <awilkins> Lots of green squares
[12:58] <awilkins> But it doesn't explain why having those responsibilities as part of your init system is a good thing
[12:59] <bigcalm> Looks like the pizza express logo
[13:01] <awilkins> I mean, take one : XDG_RUNTIME_DIR - why does the init system need to manage that?
[13:01] <bigcalm> popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEuOpxOrA_0&feature=youtu.be
[13:02] <popey> why would it not need to?
[13:03] <popey> surely if you're responsible for starting applications/processes, it makes sense that you should setup the environment correctly
[13:03] <popey> setting XDG_RUNTIME_DIR seems to be the right thing to do there
[13:03] <awilkins> Well, it says sysvinit and Upstart don't do it
[13:03] <popey> which they maybe should
[13:03] <awilkins> So what's the knarly hack that lets Ubuntu manage to set it?
[13:03] <awilkins> And why is it bad?
[13:04] <popey> looks like its set elsewhere, mountall/pam kinda area
[13:05] <popey> yeah, mountall seems to set it
[13:05] <awilkins> That  seems a reasonable place to do it too
[13:05] <popey> not to me
[13:05] <popey> hey ho
[13:05] <awilkins> IF mountall is doing the file system mounting..   it's for user stuff - why isn't login doing it
[13:05] <bigcalm> I just wanted to grumble about user's groups. Didn't mean for this, sorry
[13:06] <awilkins> Don't be sorry, this is interestign
[13:06] <awilkins> Most informative discussion of systemd I've seen ; all the ones on Slashdot devolve into "IT'S NOT UNIXY!!!"
[13:07] <awilkins> And concern about the control of Red Hat over the thing
[13:07] <popey> yeah, they don't get anywhere
[13:07] <awilkins> And how they think Leonard Poettering is an <expletive deleted>
[13:08] <shauno> I'm kinda looking foward to systemd.  it looks like it's finally catching up with launchd
[13:09] <popey> I guess I am just not that bothered by it
[13:09] <awilkins> People who had their nose put out of joint over Pulseaudio when clearly desktop Linux needed to be able to do simple little things like play audio from two apps at once like Windows had done for years
[13:09] <awilkins> I found Pulseaudio frustrating but it's clearly the way things should go
[13:09] <awilkins> Now it just works very nicely for me most of the time
[13:09] <popey> I mean, it means extra work for us
[13:09] <popey> so thats a bummer, as those people can't work on other things
[13:10] <awilkins> What I've read today at least reassures me a bit ; it's copyright-assignment free
[13:11] <awilkins> Which means they can never change the license and lock it up
[13:11] <awilkins> Unlike, (no offence) Upstart
[13:26] <foobarry> i am sympathetic to the greybeards cause
[13:27] <foobarry> but they annoy me in their manner of moaning
[13:36] <ali1234> i have to agree awilkins
[13:37] <ali1234> systemd advocacy is largely based around the idea of redefining what systemd is in order to win any argument
[13:38] <ali1234> so if someone says systemd is too heavy, it's just an init
[13:38] <ali1234> if someone says we already have inits, then systemd includes a load of other functionality
[13:41] <ali1234> systemd will likely cause a large amount of problems when it is released in ubuntu
[13:42] <ali1234> but give it a couple of years and it will probably be okay, like pulseaudio is now
[13:56] <intrbiz> I've been using systemd for a bout three years, the main difference is just using a different command
[13:57] <intrbiz> the journal is interesting too, forward sealing and tamperproof
[14:03] <Myrtti> ahhahhahahhahhahahha <Mad Scientist laughter />
[14:04] <ali1234> forward sealing is nice
[14:04] <ali1234> attackers still have a half hour windoww in which to modify logs
[14:05] <ali1234> you can configure that, but really any window is enough for an automated attack
[14:05] <ali1234> still handy for detecting accidental corruption though
[14:06] <ali1234> the thing is systemd has lots of nice features, but so did pulseaudio
[14:07] <ali1234> i'm worried that if anything goes wrong we're going to get the same excuses as last time, eg "ubuntu shouldn't have shipped pulseaudio because it wasn't ready"
[14:08] <ali1234> on the other hand, systemd can't be undermined by rubbish drivers the same way that PA could by ALSA
[14:40] <directhex> https://steamdb.info/app/8870/history/
[14:42] <bigcalm> Ooo
[14:42] <bigcalm> What's the incentive to port to linux for a game that's been out for year+?
[14:43] <directhex> launch day sales for steambox
[14:43] <bigcalm> Ah, yes
[14:43] <mapps> gah so cold when i get up
[14:43] <mapps> marble flooring makes everywhere cold!
[14:43] <directhex> :'(
[14:43] <directhex> and all those stupid cold solid gold taps!
[14:44] <directhex> and the cold frame of the four poster!
[14:44] <mapps> the suns out but it seems cold
[14:44] <mapps>  should i go to estapona.malaga and granada or a flight to switzerland
[14:45] <bigcalm> It's got to that point in the day when anybody who walks up the stairs gets blinded by the setting sun
[14:52] <mapps> hmm
[15:03] <bigcalm> Not a fan of the style of game that Dungeon Defenders is, but I'm enjoying the OST
[15:03] <bigcalm> A good reason to buy stuff via Humble Bundle is getting the music included
[15:22] <MooDoo> ooo off to ikea this weekend to buy a server rack :D
[15:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: is there one for torchlight?
[15:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: yep
[15:29] <bigcalm> It's in my account's library
[15:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: please let me know what you think to that one :)
[15:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: when you eventually get to it :)
[15:30] <ali1234> i seem to recall torchlight not having much of a soundtrack
[15:32] <directhex> MooDoo: a £10 LACK table?
[15:33] <Myrtti> I got my Arduino project to work on breadboard
[15:34] <Myrtti> whee
[15:34] <ali1234> what does it do?
[15:35] <Myrtti> blinks different colours on RGB LED's depending on which button (combinations) is pushed
[15:35] <bigcalm> Ooo, shiny
[15:37] <MooDoo> directhex: yeah lol
[15:37] <MooDoo> just been looking at them now :D
[16:02] <intrbiz> i have a few LackRacks here
[16:04] <bigcalm> A what now?
[16:06] <daftykins> sounds like racks that are lacking a thing or two :>
[16:06] <daftykins> or perhaps pushed around by lackeys?
[16:06] <diddledan> Myrtti, that's blinking flashy!
[16:56] <intrbiz> bigcalm: Lack is a side table from Ikea where the legs at 19" apart, perfect for mounting switches
[16:57] <ali1234> what about rear support though?
[16:57] <bigcalm> Oh, those things
[17:00] <intrbiz> switches aren't heavy enough for it to be an issue
[17:00] <intrbiz> to be precise: https://o.twimg.com/1/proxy.jpg?t=FQQVBBgpaHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0cGljLmNvbS9zaG93L2xhcmdlLzdoa3BzbS5qcGcUBBYAEgA&s=mDPxJlh5VtxG4fp87tzR1Y6jQCrleh8HHRcVnOtwzo4
[17:01] <intrbiz> (whisky is optional)
[17:03] <bigcalm> We lost track of our King's Ginger during the house move. I've been grumpy about that for some time now
[17:03] <bigcalm> If I order a new couple of bottles, I know we'll find our stock
[17:06] <shauno> am I the only one getting a whole retro vibe off this Orion flight?  it feels like they're re-learning stuff they had down pat 50 years ago
[17:07] <popey> they kinda are a bit
[17:07] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you always find things in the last place you look
[17:07] <daftykins> perhaps it's a case of poor documentation!
[17:08] <popey> haha
[17:08] <popey> or the documentation is in WordStar format!
[17:09] <bigcalm> intrbiz: because I'll stop looking at that point. I need a warming shot now
[17:09] <bigcalm> Bit early for that or mulled ginger wine though
[17:12] <popey> Our kids have their school disco tonight
[17:12] <popey> They are somewhat excited
[17:15] <intrbiz> its never too early for a drinky
[17:16] <intrbiz> did you see someone built a simulator for Apollo guidance computer, which could load the transcribe Apollo programs
[17:20] <diddledan> intrbiz, does it simulate the master alarm problems, too?
[17:20] <intrbiz> not sure
[17:21] <intrbiz> so many people get that quote wrong
[17:21] <intrbiz> there are also the transcript of the Apollo missions online - http://apollo13.spacelog.org/02:07:55:35/#log-line-201335
[18:01] <diddledan> I think it's about time to go home
[18:01] <daftykins> yes!
[18:02] <daftykins> crikey it's cold
[18:02] <daftykins> my old mans coming over tonight with some perspex to put up against my lovely 17th century single glazing
[18:02] <daftykins> this should hopefully improve matters :D
[18:02] <diddledan> ooh
[18:03] <diddledan> gotta love perpex
[18:03] <diddledan> +s
[18:03] <daftykins> £230 for just a few windows worth though :(
[18:03] <daftykins> 5mm thick stuff
[18:03] <diddledan> grr @ price
[18:04] <intrbiz> I prefer polymethyl methacrylate
[18:04] <diddledan> bless you
[18:04] <intrbiz> :)
[18:04] <daftykins> intrbiz the meth addict there
[18:04] <daftykins> ;)
[18:07] <mapps> good day so far
[18:07] <mapps> made some yens on the racing
[18:07] <mapps> :D
[18:07] <diddledan> mapps, you're incorrigible
[18:08] <mapps> whats that mean
[18:08] <mapps> ahj
[18:08] <mapps> google told me
[18:09]  * popey ponders what to have for tea
[18:09] <popey> probably curry
[18:09] <brobostigon> :)
[18:10] <mapps> im gonna have a mixed grill later i think
[18:10] <mapps> got 3-4hr gap so il just leave the office and get some food:D
[18:10] <diddledan> popey, good plan
[18:11] <diddledan> I wonder what I shall have... who am I kidding, it's obviously gonna be pizza
[18:11] <zmoylan-pi> curry tea... so hot then? ;-)
[18:11] <diddledan> hot hot hot
[18:12] <zmoylan-pi> iif you brains don't melt out your ears you get your money back
[18:19] <mapps> useless
[18:19] <mapps> aquagib bill says i can pay online
[18:19] <mapps> but i cANT SEE any possible way ti pay on the website
[18:20] <mapps> tweeted them and got no response! gah
[18:20] <mapps> Dont wanna have to walk somewhere to pay a stupid bill
[18:25] <zmoylan-pi> tweeting customer service on a friday afternoon...
[19:33] <diddledan> and home
[22:10] <diddledan> where did everyone go?
[22:15] <shauno> well, it's friday night.  so, minecraft
[22:15] <diddledan> meh
[22:15] <diddledan> I'm messing with compilations
[22:15] <diddledan> as in gcc, not mp3
[22:18] <daftykins> aww yeah got the perspex in \o/
[22:18] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sl5ciwboeh6fjho/AAAAg_CR1HjXaTECU0g8d4CVa?dl=0
[22:19] <daftykins> though my old man's approach to rushing at jobs so he can get home leaves a lot to be desired :P
[22:19] <daftykins> drilled perspex mess everywhere!
[22:19] <diddledan> you put perspex in front of the TV?
[22:19] <diddledan> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sl5ciwboeh6fjho/AAAAg_CR1HjXaTECU0g8d4CVa?dl=0#lh:null-IMG_20141205_200847.jpg
[22:19] <daftykins> no, behind
[22:20] <daftykins> atop the glass and window frames
[22:21] <daftykins> my TV always looks so big when moved, but tiny when back in that window sill :(


[08:28] <Noskcaj> Why does gradle build depend on itself?
[08:30] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, check out the buildlogs to see if it really needs to
[08:30] <smartboyhw> If it needs to, then you'd better ask upstream:)
[08:30] <Noskcaj> This causes an FTBFS since the previous (broken) version was removed from the ubuntu rchive
[08:31] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, looking now
[08:42] <Noskcaj> It seems that gradle has depended on itself since the beginning, but i can't see why it  has to
[08:43] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: Ask upstream, as I said?
[08:43] <Noskcaj> Will do
[08:48] <Noskcaj> And as i asked last night, can someone please force flask to build
[08:49] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, Saturdays will be very difficult to get somebody:P
[08:50] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, i know, but there is hope.
[08:50]  * Noskcaj wonders why smartboyhw replies to everything he says, everywhere
[08:50]  * smartboyhw releases hope from Pandora's jar
[08:50] <jbicha> you can't just force it to build: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flask/0.10.1-2/+build/4910117
[08:51] <smartboyhw> jbicha, well, python-blinker exists now
[08:51] <smartboyhw> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+package/python-blinker
[08:51] <jbicha> flask is in main but blinker is in universe
[08:51] <jbicha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[08:51] <Noskcaj> jbicha, then something needs moving?
[08:52] <Noskcaj> it's not just blinker, there are three packages
[08:52] <smartboyhw> jbicha, uh oh:(
[08:52]  * smartboyhw never filed an MIR before
[09:09] <cjwatson> Noskcaj: gradle> if somebody confirms that it works then we can do a manual rebootstrap
[09:10] <Noskcaj> cjwatson, ok, i'm slowly downloading the build-depends now
[09:10] <cjwatson> Noskcaj: e.g. confirms that we can install the corresponding packages from Debian in a test chroot and then build it against that
[09:11] <cjwatson> Noskcaj: (though I won't be able to do the rebootstrap until this morning's Launchpad maintenance window ends)
[09:12] <Noskcaj> I understood none of that. I'll continue downloading the stuff to try building
[09:12] <cjwatson> Any particular bit I can try to re-explain?
[09:14] <Noskcaj> don't worry
[09:15] <Noskcaj> also, libnetfilter-conntrack needs packages outside main to build.
[09:17]  * Noskcaj just realised the netfilter already has the bug reported
[17:59] <Ampelbein> Hmm, all i386 builders are disabled on launchpad.
[18:10] <TheLordOfTime> Ampelbein:  really?  o.O
[18:11] <Ampelbein> They seem to be back now
[21:39] <Noskcaj> bug 1219316
[21:47] <iulian> Noskcaj: I can sync it for you if you show me the successful build log. I don't have a saucy chroot handy.
[21:47] <Noskcaj> iulian, ok
[21:56]  * iulian has to dash off.
[21:56] <iulian> I'll sync it in the morning if no one beats me to it.
[22:09] <Noskcaj> The latest debian version of ctpp2 build fine for me. It's lintian clean too. I'll paste the buildlog now
[22:14] <Noskcaj> um, where do i find the buildlog?
[22:14] <Noskcaj> nevermind, found it
[22:18] <Noskcaj> Buildlog is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/6049297/
[22:40] <Noskcaj> https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/saucy/sip4/regression-fix/+merge/183347