[09:01] <Burgundavia> j2dope, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:01] <ventz> everytime i try to burn ANY of the powerbook ones, it just crashes my"Disk Utility"
[09:01] <j2dope> Burgundavia: reading now
[09:01] <tritium> no0tic, not sure what to tell you...
[09:02] <whiteknight> ventz, is this hoary? have you checked the mdsums
[09:02] <no0tic> tritium: thanks anyway ;)
[09:02] <tritium> Fish-Face, it might
[09:02] <tritium> no0tic, yeah, sorry!
[09:02] <ventz> whiteknight: no i haven't. This is the link by the way (http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-live-powerpc.iso)
[09:03] <tritium> ventz, yeah, the link is good.  I've used it.
[09:03] <whiteknight> ventz, try a different mirror and see if the same issues occur
[09:03] <ventz> whiteknight: i tried 5 different mirrors
[09:03] <ventz> all of them crash my disk utility. The i386 one is fine, burned correctly, works correctly
[09:04] <whiteknight> ventz, i'm not sure, tritium?
[09:04] <tritium> ventz, which disk utility?
[09:04] <tritium> Is that some Mac OS tool?
[09:04] <whiteknight> ventz, you should check the md5sums or perhaps using a different iso burning software
[09:04] <tritium> yes ^^^
[09:04] <Fish-Face> OK, another question... When my machine comes back from hibernation, the keyboard + mouse freeze
[09:05] <Fish-Face> Any ideas for a reason/fix?
[09:05] <ventz> whiteknight, tritium: what's weird is that the i386 one works. By the way, Disk Utility is the program that mounts iso's and burns them
[09:05] <Fish-Face> I couldn't find anything on Ubuntu's wiki
[09:05] <tritium> ventz, in OS X, I presume?
[09:05] <j2dope> the restricted formats FAQ for dvds says i need libdvdcss2 .. from MARILLAT  where can i get that respository
[09:05] <Razor-X> www.tahorg.net/grub-dvorakhey
[09:06] <Nula> Fish-Face, lucky that you can even get it to come back to life :) .. I can't suspend/hibernate thanks to ATI fglrx
[09:06] <tritium> j2dope, the URL tells you
[09:06] <ventz> tritium: yes
[09:06] <Razor-X> damn, sorry
[09:06] <Fish-Face> Nula, well, I haven't compiled fglrx, yet :)
[09:06] <Nula> and if I give up fglrx, I have given up decent 3d acceleratioin in linux ..
[09:06] <geneo93> well i'm off
[09:06] <Nula> if you are planning to use fglrx, don't waste time on suspend/hib .. they don't work with fglrx
[09:07] <Razor-X> how long would Kubuntu take to install on a 256 MB 1.6 ghz machine?
[09:07] <tritium> good night, folks
[09:07] <Nula> this is a mobility (laptop) radeon 9600 128mb btw  .. so I don't exactly have the option of buying an nvidia card
[09:07] <holycow> 20 minutes
[09:07] <St0n3-C0l> Razor-X: Hardly 1 hour
[09:08] <St0n3-C0l> I think
[09:08] <St0n3-C0l> in installation :P
[09:08] <St0n3-C0l> what bout setting up things ?
[09:08] <Razor-X> how about repartitioning a 40 GB NTFS partition?
[09:08] <holycow> whats there to setup?
[09:08] <Razor-X> yeah, everything
[09:08] <holycow> click and go
[09:08] <Razor-X> not just copying, I mean, setting up packages and stuff
[09:08] <Fish-Face> Dammit... only beta drivers are 64 bit :S
[09:08] <holycow> 20 minutes
[09:08] <holycow> theres nothing to setup
[09:08] <holycow> install and go
[09:08] <St0n3-C0l> holycow: after u reboot
[09:08] <holycow> esier than windows
[09:08] <j2dope> tritium: forgive my n00bness. but i cann't see where they link u in that dvd section..
[09:08] <holycow> what reboot?
[09:08] <St0n3-C0l> it unpacks and sets up packages
[09:09] <Razor-X> I read the install guide, and i've realized that
[09:09] <St0n3-C0l> automatically
[09:09] <St0n3-C0l> no need to do anything
[09:09] <Razor-X> but, yeah, the unpack and install is what I meant
[09:09] <holycow> 20 minutes
[09:09] <Fish-Face> Oh wait... here they are
[09:09] <holycow> everything
[09:09] <St0n3-C0l> Razor-X: Go and Install ;) it'll take less time
[09:09] <holycow> 20 minutes, full desktop up and running
[09:09] <holycow> its directly from ced
[09:09] <Razor-X> 1.2 GB in 20 minutes?
[09:09] <holycow> cd
[09:09] <holycow> yep
[09:09] <alka_trash> damn!, new NIN album Free Streaming  http://www.myspace.com/ninofficial
[09:09] <Razor-X> St0n3-C0l: can't do it today, and, I need some time when my dad is at work
[09:09] <aziz> hello .... is there an Ubuntu package for egroupware ?
[09:09] <Razor-X> which is a roughly 3 hour period on Friday
[09:10] <holycow> its from cd tho remember, make a few selections and go, its not like using d-i to do installs over the net
[09:10] <St0n3-C0l> Razor-X: aham
[09:10] <Razor-X> and, then, I'm gonna make a GRUB boot floppy, and fdisk /mbr
[09:10] <Nula> aziz, yes it's in one of the repositories
[09:10] <Nula> aziz, I think it's universe repository
[09:10] <tritium> j2dope, section 2.2 is about the Marillat repo
[09:10] <Razor-X> so that, the only way to even know Ubuntu exists on the machine is to use the GRUB boot floppy
[09:10] <j2dope> thanks tritium
[09:10] <tritium> np
[09:11] <Razor-X> and, so, the total thing would be, repartitoning, install, and boot loader configuration
[09:11] <holycow> everything
[09:11] <aziz> Nula: can you help me adding this repository, please ? cuz I only got the defaults ..
[09:11] <holycow> its all automated
[09:11] <Razor-X> that's why I need a good time estimate
[09:11] <holycow> you do nothing
[09:11] <holycow> it uses the d-i installer
[09:11] <Razor-X> holycow: difficulty is not an issue
[09:11] <holycow> it does all the autodetection for  you
[09:11] <Razor-X> it's time
[09:11] <holycow> you just answer some stupid preferences questions
[09:11] <alka_trash> has any noticed how good gnomebaker is at burning CDs?
[09:11] <holycow> 20 minutes
[09:11] <Nula> aziz, click system->administration->synaptic package manager
[09:11] <Razor-X> ok, that's install time....
[09:12] <Razor-X> how much time you think a 40 GB NTFS Resize op will take?
[09:12] <Nula> aziz, then in the menu select settings->repositories
[09:12] <Fish-Face> OK, silly question... Is it possible to use dpkg to install an RPM?
[09:12] <holycow> it will only take longer if you have some bizarro hardware that doesn't work, say an unsupported chipset, soundcard, etc.
[09:12] <holycow> very rare
[09:12] <Fish-Face> Or how else do you guys install fglrx?
[09:12] <jambon> has anyone had problems with playing incomplete files in limewire?
[09:12] <Razor-X> well, most Linux distros/Live CDs seem to like this box
[09:12] <Razor-X> so, that's not really a problem
[09:12] <holycow> okay i'm measuring my / without my /home
[09:12] <Nula> aziz, then click add, and add universe and multiverse repositories for Hoary 5.04 (click the check boxes)
[09:13] <merriam> Filbert-: see alien
[09:13] <merriam> er, Fish-Face: see alien
[09:13] <Razor-X> and, last question, with 256 MB RAM, how much swap should I allocate, when the total Ubuntu partiton (+ swap) would be 5 GB?
[09:13] <Nula> aziz, once that's done you can search for egroupware and it should be listed in the packages
[09:13] <Razor-X> well, ok, not last question ;-P
[09:13] <jambon> limewire anyone
[09:13] <Fish-Face> merriam, is that a package or a person? :D
[09:13] <aziz> nula . thanks for the help :)
[09:14] <freewoody> Can somebody tell me how to disable logs in /etc/syslog.conf
[09:14] <merriam> easy to find out
[09:14] <freewoody> off the console
[09:14] <Nula> aziz, welcome
[09:15] <holycow> my / is 2.3 gigs without /home or /media that has another hd mounted
[09:15] <aziz> the universe repository is specially made for Ubuntu ? or is it like debian packages ?
[09:15] <jambon> how do you change media players in limewire?
[09:16] <holycow> have you ever setup dual boot tho?  if not, i would not recommend practicing on a 'live' hd :)
[09:16] <Fish-Face> merriam, gottit, thanks
[09:16] <Razor-X> holycow: well, it's now or never ;-P
[09:16] <holycow> can your system boot via usb?
[09:16] <Razor-X> I've done dual-boot on my other machine though
[09:16] <Razor-X> nopes
[09:16] <Razor-X> and, most likely, Ubuntu will never access teh internet
[09:16] <holycow> get a second hd then :) much much much safer
[09:16] <Razor-X> *the
[09:16] <Razor-X> I can't
[09:16] <sacredbovine> anyone?
[09:17] <holycow> oki :) well goodluck
[09:17] <holycow> hehe
[09:17] <Razor-X> heh, yeah, I know
[09:17] <holycow> just makin sure someone says it :)
[09:17] <Razor-X> a lot of ways to fuck up, too many for me to want to explicitly count out
[09:17] <holycow> ya
[09:17] <no0tic> laptop-mode tweaks itself the config of hd? it looks like it has to do this, but I don't think it does
[09:17] <holycow> at least burn off some of your files if you can
[09:17] <Razor-X> I have a nice routine set up though, since, time will be of teh essence
[09:18] <merriam> Razor-X: Why do you want an Ubuntu installation that doesn't access the internet?
[09:18] <Nula> aziz, it's for ubuntu .. then again some ubuntu packages come from debian and work on both distros
[09:19] <holycow> well to be fair ...
[09:19] <holycow> ALL PACKAGES CAME FROM DEBIAN
[09:19] <holycow> -_-
[09:19] <Razor-X> 1. Boot Knoppix, run QTParted, and resize NTFS to 34 GB 2. Start Ubuntu setup 3. Make sure to partition correctly 4. Wait as packages install 5. Make a GRUB boot floppy 6. Test boot floppy 7. fdisk /MBR 8. Pray that Windows boots ;-P
[09:19] <j2dope> thanks ya'll got my dvds working now
[09:19] <Kisain> how can i play windows media audio?
[09:19] <Razor-X> merriam: not my wish, my parents cut the router in hoping i'ld have less freedom
[09:19] <Razor-X> and, it's a PPPoE connection so....
[09:20] <holycow> Razor-X, that is going to take way more than an hour
[09:20] <Burgundavia> Nula, there is very little that is in Ubuntu and not in Debian
[09:20] <holycow> reparitioning alone will take quite a while
[09:20] <sacredbovine> what about partition magic?
[09:20] <sacredbovine> i know someone who used that successfully
[09:20] <graabein> hi
[09:20] <Razor-X> holycow: I have 3
[09:20] <Burgundavia> Nula, most of the Ubuntu is taken from Debian sources and rebuilt in a ubuntu env
[09:20] <holycow> cutting it close but should be enough
[09:20] <holycow> why the sneaky?
[09:20] <Razor-X> unless, I can somehow invite a friend, then my parents would look at the machine much till he leaves
[09:20] <Burgundavia> Kisain, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:20] <Razor-X> holycow: dad hates linux irrationally
[09:20] <St0n3-C0l> Gnome 2.10 is now packaged for debian ?
[09:20] <holycow> what?
[09:21] <holycow> has he ever used it or what?
[09:21] <Razor-X> he's a Mechanical Engineer, so some of the guys he works with uses the stuff, but, ignorance breeds fear so....
[09:21] <Dethread> note: don't spend all night configuring your kernel when you have an english paper due the next day
[09:21] <holycow> heh good for you mate :)
[09:21] <Razor-X> he doesen't like me using pointers while programming ;-P, may fuck up the mahcine
[09:21] <holycow> i wish i could promise to be around and help you actually :)
[09:21] <Myrtti> I took a screenshot
[09:21] <dr_willis> Those Pointers are too pointy!
[09:21] <Myrtti> dammit I love linux
[09:21] <Myrtti> http://velhottaret.net/~myrtti/05-05-05.png
[09:21] <Nula> Burgundavia, I would hope so! after years of sticking to build everything from scratch and praising *box window managers I came to ubuntu for the just works TM attitude... but I didn't want to lose all the app goodness.. and it has everything I want more or less
[09:22] <Razor-X> holycow: well, that's the thing, since i'll be double-booting, I doubt I can access the internet
[09:22] <Razor-X> so, no internet access for me
[09:22] <graabein> Myrtti, hehe nice!
[09:22] <holycow> Razor-X, so he is then technically competent? he can program engineering stuff right?
[09:22] <Razor-X> all the docs I need have to be printed beforehand
[09:22] <dr_willis> Old-school enginners - use Fortran and HP41C's
[09:22] <dr_willis> :P
[09:22] <Razor-X> holycow: well, he is technically _competent_, but, not programming
[09:22] <holycow> ive done all of that except dual boot
[09:22] <Razor-X> he works the whole, fluid transfer thing
[09:22] <holycow> so yeah thats the right steps
[09:22] <aziz> How do i know which apache version works well with egroupware ?
[09:22] <orhs> Hey all _)
[09:23] <orhs> :)
[09:23] <merriam> Razor-X: I don't see how dual booting is connected with no net access.
[09:23] <holycow> Razor-X, funny that he mistrusts technology when he is a technologist him self
[09:23] <Nula> aziz, when  you install egroupware, it install apache for you.. it's a dependancy
[09:23] <dr_willis> On my new box i just have 2 hd's and use the bios boot menu/thing to tell it what os to boot. :P that way the wife dosent even see the grub menu.
[09:23] <Razor-X> merriam: Copied and pasted from above: not my wish, my parents cut the router in hoping i'ld have
[09:23] <Razor-X>           less freedom
[09:23] <graabein> any got the time to help me with nvidia vs nv -- and no opengl problems??
[09:23] <Razor-X> holycow: yeah, it's odd
[09:23] <holycow> good luck dude :)
[09:24] <Razor-X> heh
[09:24] <Nula> aziz, the choice made by egroupware works just fine.. I have tested it personally
[09:24] <Razor-X> day after tomorrow is the day
[09:24] <merriam> holycow: I think freesoftware is all about not trusting technology.  I don't trust technology, so I try to avoid Windows.
[09:24] <holycow> merriam, ha!
[09:24] <holycow> good point!
[09:24] <orhs> some one is haveing problems with their W-LAN card???
[09:24] <Razor-X> getting all my docs primed, studying them, making sure nothing can g owrong
[09:24] <aziz> Nula: i used apt-get but it only suggested these packages: apache-common apache-ssl apache2-utils .. no main apache package was suggested
[09:24] <Razor-X> my dad fears non-standardization
[09:24] <holycow> Myrtti, that hurts my eyes, but yeah cool eh? :)
[09:24] <Dethread> anyone got any experience in setting up Ubuntu on a tablet pc?
[09:25] <St0n3-C0l> is there any clipboard thing for GNOME ?
[09:25] <orhs> Dethread: i have ubuntu on my
[09:25] <confrey> hi everybody
[09:25] <orhs> mine*
[09:25] <sacredbovine> anyone here good with LimeWire????
[09:25] <holycow> Myrtti, haha, now that i look at that, that would make the perfect kids desktop :)
[09:25] <holycow> no offense
[09:25] <holycow> -_-
[09:25] <Myrtti> holycow: PINK! (yes, I'm having my "I don't want to seem like a nerd, let's be ber-feministic then" phase
[09:25] <Dethread> orhs, what kind is it?
[09:26] <orhs> Confrey: hey :D
[09:26] <holycow> rofl
[09:26] <holycow> :)
[09:26] <Myrtti> holycow: what do you expect from a woman :->
[09:26] <confrey> I installed phpgroupware and egroupware, but I can't start anything
[09:26] <holycow> hahaha
[09:26] <orhs> dethread mine is a HP pavilion
[09:26] <Nula> aziz, huh.. that's odd.. I installed egroupware on a fresh Hoary install and it installed apache ... I would go ahead and install egroupware.. I am positive apache a dependancy
[09:26] <Dethread> orhs, did you get the pen/touchscreen working? I'm struggling with that part
[09:27] <Dethread> orhs, recompiling the kernel right now....but it'll take a while. it's an HP TC1000 (1 GHz)
[09:27] <orhs> Dethread: it works fine here :)
[09:27] <Razor-X> how muhc swap should I allocate?
[09:27] <Dethread> orhs, right out of the box?
[09:27] <confrey> Nula, I didn't understand, does egroupware work on your pc?
[09:27] <Razor-X> and should I partition in QTParted before I enter Ubuntu setup?
[09:27] <aziz> Nula: oh you right ... I just saw it
[09:27] <Razor-X> *much
[09:27] <Nula> aziz, :)
[09:28] <Nula> confrey, on my server yes ..
[09:29] <orhs> dethread what do you mean with right out of the box?
[09:29] <aziz> I got: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[09:29] <aziz>   .. is thst okay ?
[09:29] <Razor-X> I'ma also have to configure GRUB to use Dvorak......
[09:29] <Nula> aziz, yea
[09:29] <confrey> Nula, how can I work with it? I installed it, but I can't see anything in http://localhost; I can see only apache2-default and phpmyadmin
[09:29] <Nula> confrey, http://localhost/egroupware/setup
[09:30] <confrey> Nula, I haven't that link
[09:30] <Nula> go through the setup process.. then login by going to http://localhost/egroupware
[09:30] <aziz> Nula... which sql have you used with it ?
[09:31] <Nula> aziz, mysql
[09:31] <Nula> confrey, did you install apache with egroupware? or before?
[09:31] <confrey> Nula, oh, sorry, resolved, now it's working! waht's the difference
[09:31] <graabein> any got the time to help me with nvidia vs nv -- and no opengl problems??
[09:31] <Nula> if it's working then nevermind :)
[09:31] <confrey> what's the difference between egroupware and phpgroupware?
[09:32] <metasquier> Hey I was wondering if somone could answer me a simple question......How do I boot ubuntu in console mode, so I can install the Nvidia driver
[09:32] <Nula> egroupware is more robust imo
[09:32] <aziz> Nula: how do i check if mysql is installed or not ?
[09:32] <confrey> ok, thanks everybody, bye
[09:32] <Nula> more configurable modular etc
[09:32] <Mr_Smiley> Hello, I'm having trouble enabling dma on my dvd drive, typing sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd produces: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[09:32] <Mr_Smiley> any ideas?
[09:32] <aziz> i'm installing / updating the suggested  packages by egroupware
[09:33] <graabein> how do i list linux channels in x-chat?
[09:33] <bodaciousb> hey guys... simple yet complicated question.... I reinstall ubuntu quite regularly... i want to make a script to apt-get things for me automatically.  how do i make such a script?
[09:33] <orhs> hello everyone. I got a problem with useing my W-Lan card. i have talked about this before and i have been asked to recompile the linx kernel and install ndiswrapper
[09:34] <metasquier> Nula, do you know how to start ubuntu in console mode? telinit 1 is nogood, I want to install my nvidia drivers, can you help?
[09:34] <graabein> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[09:34] <orhs> how do i recompile the kernel? :s
[09:34] <metasquier> orhs, find a howto, it would explain your question a lot better
[09:34] <graabein> bodaciousb, take a look at that link
[09:34] <Nula> metasquier, what do you mean console mode?
[09:34] <Nula> metasquier, do you need to stop X?
[09:34] <bodaciousb> graabein, thank you, will do
[09:34] <metasquier> Nula, like no XServer
[09:34] <orhs> metasquer, thanks
[09:35] <graabein> metasquier, i'm having problems with nvidia/nv too!
[09:35] <Nula> metasquier, simply hit ctrl + alt f2, then do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:35] <metasquier> Nula, Thanks alot!!!
[09:35] <Nula> metasquier, once you are doing installing the driver
[09:35] <Nula> metasquier, /etc/init.d/gdm start
[09:35] <metasquier> cool
[09:35] <graabein> guys, how do i search x-chat for linux channels?
[09:35] <metasquier> Nula, Somthing I wouldnt have thought of :P
[09:35] <metasquier> Nula, Thanks alot
[09:35] <Nula> welcome
[09:35] <IIIEars> graabin /list
[09:36] <graabein> wont that give me every channel? i want linux channels
[09:36] <bodaciousb> graabein, wow, thanks thats Exactly what i needed
[09:36] <Amaranth> graabein: Think of a topic.
[09:36] <Amaranth> graabein: A linux topic, I mean.
[09:37] <Nula> aziz, once you are done installing go to http://localhost/egroupware/setup  to setup everything.. it will walk you through step by step.. apt-get install mysql if you don't have int installed.. the egroupware setup wizard will configure the database for you after that
[09:37] <Mr_Smiley> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[09:37] <Mr_Smiley> anyone?
[09:37] <graabein> bodaciousb, :)
[09:37] <Amaranth> Mr_Smiley: Did you use sudo?
[09:37] <Amaranth> graabein: wtf is that?
[09:38] <Mr_Smiley> Amaranth: indeed
[09:38] <graabein> Amaranth, what is what?
[09:38] <user1> hi all
[09:38] <graabein> yo!
[09:38] <Amaranth> Mr_Smiley: no idea
[09:38] <Amaranth> graabein: bodaciousb
[09:38] <Mr_Smiley> damn
[09:38] <Amaranth> oh, someone's name
[09:38] <graabein> he's a user
[09:38] <user1> I want to tell iptable to forward my amule port to my vpn ip
[09:38] <graabein> hehe too early in the morning?
[09:38] <user1> I dont know what I Need to type for iptable
[09:39] <Amaranth> graabein: anyway, most channels are obvious. linux -> #linux; ubuntu -> #ubuntu; apache -> #apache; and so on
[09:39] <graabein> say i want a norwegian linux channel?
[09:39] <Myrtti> graabein: #linux.no
[09:39] <graabein> cant i wildcard search for linux stuff?
[09:40] <dr_willis> whats in #HotHornyTeens then?
[09:40] <aziz> I agot apache as a "Suggested packages" ... is "sudo apt-get install egroupware" enough to install the suggested packages? or do i need extra switches ?
[09:40] <Myrtti> graabein: prolly in IRCNet, though
[09:40] <dr_willis> answer = 65 yr old males. :P
[09:40] <Amaranth> graabein: IRC doesn't work that way
[09:40] <Myrtti> not in freenode
[09:40] <graabein> allright. i found the .no one. thanks
[09:41] <Nula> aziz, apt-get install egroupware should be enough
[09:42] <Kisain> is there a media player for every codec?
[09:42] <Kisain> thats easy to install for a noob
[09:42] <Nula> Kisain, totem-xine
[09:43] <aziz> i got this message now:   eGroupWare supports any web server that supports PHP 4, but this configuration process only supports some Apache
[09:43] <aziz>   variants.  Feel free to submit any hint or patch that would help in the setup of other web servers
[09:44] <aziz> If you are not sure, then it is recommended that you configure for Apache-SSL.  This will protect the transmission of
[09:44] <aziz>   your users' passwords and personal data.
[09:44] <GNAM> what's best way to download a site on HD? wget -qr www.sito.com?
[09:44] <graabein> Nula, is totem-xine better than mplayer? i'm having problems with my box so all that works as of now is totem movie player
[09:44] <aziz>  Which web server do you want to configure eGroupWare for?
[09:44] <graabein> for mp3s and mpgs
[09:44] <Nula> aziz, do apache-ssl if you want more security
[09:45] <Kisain> and totem can play winhacks format?
[09:45] <aziz> I got apache, apache ssl, apache perl, apache 2 .. as choices
[09:45] <aziz> I want egroupware for an intranet site ....... no need for much security
[09:45] <Nula> graabein, totem-xine has a cleaner gtk interface.. mplayer is a very good player too.. the only reason I use totem is the cleaner interface
[09:46] <Kisain> cause i viset sites like http://www.ebaumsworld.com/
[09:46] <Kisain> and mozilla can't play the files for some reason
[09:47] <holycow> kissan, uninstall totem-gstreamer
[09:47] <holycow> install totem-xine
[09:47] <Kisain> ahhh
[09:47] <holycow> then go to ubuntu site and read about installing win32 codecs
[09:47] <Kisain> how do i un install?
[09:47] <holycow> in that order
[09:47] <holycow> :)
[09:47] <holycow> synaptic
[09:47] <holycow> i'm off
[09:47] <Kisain> k thanx man
[09:48] <Nula> metasquier, do ps aux to see the list of running processes
[09:48] <metasquier> Nula, ok
[09:48] <aziz> hummm.. since it is only a test .. i will try apache ssl for now
[09:48] <Nula> metasquier, you can actually kill the proccess by typing the process name not just the id
[09:48] <metasquier> Nula, oh, never knew that
[09:48] <Nula> type ps aux | grep X
[09:49] <Nula> kill X .. and then gdm
[09:49] <freewoody> Hi all
[09:49] <freewoody> I have some trouble with /etc/syslog.conf
[09:49] <metasquier> Nula, ok let me see
[09:49] <freewoody> I can't seem to disable the log messages from my console
[09:50] <REds> gday
[09:50] <REds> is hoary and warty based on sid snapshots from debian
[09:51] <graabein> anyone care to look at my xorg.conf and xorg.0.log files?
[09:52] <saik0> good morning/afternoon/evening/whatever time it is everyone
[09:52] <bodaciousb> can anyone tell me what to type in the console to addd "//server/share   /mnt/data   smbfs   credentials=/etc/samba/user,rw,uid=bob   0   0"  strait to fstab? im writing a script to do it for me
[09:52] <graabein> morning here in norway
[09:52] <bodaciousb> the end of fstab i should say
[09:55] <Fahim> can anybody tell me how I can install wpa supplicant for wpa certify
[09:55] <_max> shoo bedak?
[09:55] <graabein> ill try another channel. bye
[09:56] <Nula> good night
[09:56] <Shinjan> hi folks
[09:56] <cusco> could someone tell me what am I doing wrong with unrar?
[09:56] <cusco> http://rafb.net/paste/results/yr1z4Q19.html
[09:57] <Kisain> i jsut realized that ubuntu is whatever you make it
[09:57] <cusco> what do you mean
[09:57] <Kisain> well windows starts off being fully functiional for media.......
[09:58] <Kisain> and canot support every form
[09:58] <Kisain> linux can support every form you jusdt have to add it
[09:58] <Kisain> it's better ^_^
[09:58] <GNAM> use rar cusco
[09:58] <Nula> Kisain: very functional??? I don't recall windows coming with codecs for anything but mpeg2 and Windows Media player codecs
[09:59] <Kisain> thats what i mean
[09:59] <REds> is hoary based on packages from the deb sid (unstable) project or are they sarge (testing)
[09:59] <Kisain> now i have with a few keystrokes the ability to play many diffrent formats
[09:59] <saik0> well ubuntu comes with vorbis/theroa....
[09:59] <bob2> REds: unstable, nominally
[09:59] <bob2> REds: like every ubuntu release
[10:00] <bob2> cusco: you might need the silly unrar-nonfree package if the .rar file was made recently
[10:01] <bodaciousb> can anyone tell me what to type in the console to addd "//server/share   /mnt/data   smbfs   credentials=/etc/samba/user,rw,uid=bob   0   0"  strait to the end of fstab? im writing a script to do it for me
[10:01] <REds> bob2, thought so thanks
[10:02] <bob2> bodaciousb: echo "//server/share   /mnt/data   smbfs   credentials=/etc/samba/user,rw,uid=bob   0   0" >> /etc/fstab
[10:03] <narkceh> I cannot install mplayer because of E: Broken packages. Here is my sources.list: http://www.pastebin.com/279867 Could someone tell whats the wrong with that or give own sources.list?
[10:03] <bob2> bodaciousb: it has to run as root, though
[10:03] <bob2> #flood is better than a paste site
[10:03] <bob2> narkceh: get rid of the marillat line
[10:03] <bodaciousb> bob2, ofcourse so if i add that in there twice... with a slight difference it will add 2 lines to the btom?
[10:03] <cusco> rar worked perfect... thanks!
[10:03] <bob2> bodaciousb: yes
[10:03] <bodaciousb> bob2, beautiful =)
[10:03] <narkceh> bob2, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main <-- that one?
[10:04] <bob2> narkceh: yes
[10:04] <narkceh> bob2, thank you.
[10:04] <narkceh> ill try if it works now
[10:04] <metasquier> Hi, does anyone know how to setup the Nvidia drivers on ubuntu, apparently the nividia installer doesnt have precompiled stuff for it?
[10:05] <bob2> metasquier: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:05] <bob2> metasquier: it is linked from the FAQ, too
[10:06] <narkceh> bob2, i did take that marillat away now apt-get cannot find mplayer?
[10:06] <metasquier> bob2, I tried that........ sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx.....but it says that it cant find that package
[10:06] <Kisain> what the?!!!!!! die popups die!!!!
[10:07] <metasquier> Kisain, popups? on linux? your joking right?
[10:07] <bodaciousb> bob2, one more annoying follow up question... i have the line i want printed in a variable.. so it would be echo ${bonnie_server} >> /etc/fstab
[10:07] <Kisain> no
[10:07] <Kisain> i'm not
[10:07] <bodaciousb> bob2, or would i need a couple of ' ' ?
[10:07] <Kisain> went to this site got a popup!
[10:07] <bob2> narkceh: add 'multiverse' to the end of the 3rd line of that file
[10:07] <Kisain> can you beleve it?
[10:07] <metasquier> Kisain, well if your using firefox, shouldnt be a problem eh?
[10:07] <bob2> metasquier: read the guide again
[10:07] <metasquier> bob2, ok will do
[10:07] <Kisain> first popup i ever got with firefox
[10:08] <narkceh> bob2, thank you again.
[10:08] <bob2> Kisain: yes, some scum have found ways around the popup blocker in firefox 1.02
[10:08] <bob2> narkceh: no problem
[10:08] <Kisain> nooooooo
[10:08] <aziz> I want to install mysql. but i get Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:08] <aziz> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:08] <aziz> is only available from another source
[10:08] <aziz> E: Package mysql has no installation candidat
[10:08] <bob2> metasquier: if it doesn't work still, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[10:08] <metasquier> Kisain, thats crazy
[10:08] <bob2> aziz: it's called mysql-server
[10:08] <Kisain> i know it sucks
[10:08] <aziz> thanks
[10:08] <metasquier> Kisain, is this on windows tho? or linux?
[10:09] <Kisain> ubntu
[10:09] <Kisain> or kubuntu
[10:09] <metasquier> Kisain, what is kubuntu?
[10:09] <bob2> bodaciousb: echo $blah >> /etc/fstab
[10:09] <Kisain> http://www.ebaumsworld.com/index2.shtml gohere tell me if you get one
[10:10] <bob2> metasquier: a version of ubuntu starring kde
[10:10] <narkceh> bob2, E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[10:10] <Kisain> it's ubuntu with KDE
[10:10] <Kisain> you can get it through syn
[10:10] <bob2> narkceh: show me your file again
[10:10] <Kisain> search for KDE
[10:10] <narkceh> bob2, one sec.
[10:10] <metasquier> Kisain, EWWWWWWWWWWW KDE its like a very breakable glass thing that just breaks and doesnt work
[10:10] <metasquier> lol
[10:10] <Kisain> i don't know
[10:10] <lifeless> how do I get gcc-4.0 to be 'cc' when I still have 3.3 installed ?
[10:11] <bob2> narkceh: (not in here, #flood or a paste site)
[10:11] <Kisain> first i thought ubuntu was the best.....and it still is
[10:11] <bodaciousb> bob2,  ok thank you
[10:11] <bob2> lifeless: you have to manually change the symlink, but dpkg will eat it on upgrades
[10:11] <metasquier> Kisain, yeah tru, it is
[10:11] <Kisain> bet the options and desktop of kubuntu is somewhat better i think
[10:11] <lifeless> oh bah alternatives knows about it
[10:11] <Kisain> you get more customizable options
[10:11] <lifeless> my brain was fuxored
[10:11] <narkceh> bob2, http://www.pastebin.com/279869 here
[10:11] <metasquier> Kisain, that is true, but gnome is far safer, and easier to use I think
[10:12] <Kisain> and you get the sessions manager which allows you to switch between the 2
[10:12] <Kisain> i really haven't noticed a diffrence.....
[10:12] <metasquier> Kisain, yeah thats also ture
[10:12] <metasquier> true*
[10:12] <bob2> narkceh: get rid of the 's
[10:12] <Kisain> i'm still a noob though so i think it may be a while to notice lol
[10:12] <ignis> Hi, does anyone know if it's possible to configure ubuntu to ignore a laptop's sleep request? At the moment closing the laptop cover causes the screen to be locked but I'd like to be able to continue using my computer on the second screen.. (i.e. just use the laptop as a desktop replacement when it's on my desk)
[10:12] <metasquier> Kisain, I just like gnome :)
[10:12] <Kisain> yes it rocks
[10:12] <Kisain> i just switched to linux after 26 years of learining
[10:13] <Kisain> windows
[10:13] <lifeless> bob2: sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/cc-4.0 cc /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 30
[10:13] <narkceh> bob2, sorry?
[10:13] <bob2> ignis: sure
[10:13] <metasquier> Kisain, hehe yeah windows is a real let down
[10:13] <Kisain> now i have to unlearn everything that poisend my mind
[10:13] <Kisain> yea
[10:13] <bob2> narkceh: get rid of the quote marks around multiverse
[10:13] <Kisain> a really expensive letdown
[10:13] <metasquier> Kisain, I think let down is probably an understatement
[10:13] <metasquier> lol
[10:13] <lifeless> oh, bah not quite right
[10:13] <narkceh> bob2, oh ok, now I got it.
[10:14] <metasquier> Kisain, its probably only advantage is its ability to play games at lan parties
[10:14] <Dhanjel> Hi. I need some help setting up my wireless network. I've installed ndiswrapper, but when I use iwlist to scan, no stations are found :/
[10:14] <ignis> bob2: where abouts should I look?
[10:14] <lifeless> bob2: sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/cc cc /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 30
[10:14] <Kisain> lol
[10:14] <lifeless> bob2: that will install it and survive upgrades
[10:14] <aziz> how do i disable pgsql ? i want to enable mysql instead
[10:14] <lifeless> bob2: though if you uninstall gcc-4.0, you are fucked. ;)
[10:15] <bob2> lifeless: update-alternatives --config cc /usr/bin/gcc-4.0
[10:15] <bob2> hah
[10:15] <bob2> (maybe)
[10:15] <graabein> hi... i just ran the newest nvidia.com driver... glxinfo gives me Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[10:15] <lifeless> bob2: can't choose a non existing path with config
[10:15] <bob2> ignis: /etc/acpi/, change the lid script to do nothing
[10:15] <bob2> lifeless: hm
[10:15] <lifeless> bob2: once you've installed with my line you can config it
[10:15] <bob2> aziz: "disable"?  you mean stop it running?
[10:15] <ignis> bob2: cheers
[10:15] <aziz> yes bob2
[10:16] <bob2> graabein: best to not do that and read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:16] <bob2> aziz: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/*postgresql* ; sudo invoke-rc.d postgresql stop
[10:16] <metasquier> bob2, sorry to desturb, I reread those instructions on installing nvidia, and when I try to apt-get it, I get this error:
[10:16] <metasquier> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:16] <metasquier> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:16] <metasquier> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:16] <metasquier> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:16] <metasquier> is only available from another source
[10:16] <metasquier> E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[10:16] <bob2> metasquier: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[10:17] <graabein> bob2, half of the people that try to help me says better use the official binary driver...
[10:17] <Dhanjel> Please, someone must have configured wireless networks
[10:17] <bob2> graabein: they're lying
[10:17] <graabein> bob2, anyway opengl doesnt work and im sick of getting segmentation faults everywhere
[10:17] <narkceh> bob2, i did take all the 's but apt-get cannot find mplayer?
[10:17] <Kisain> i think using cedega i'm gonna compile a list of games that it can play
[10:17] <bob2> Dhanjel: lots of people have, but it's probably a problem with your driver
[10:17] <bob2> narkceh: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[10:18] <metasquier> bob2, done that
[10:18] <metasquier> bob2, I think I know what I have to do, dam Im stupid
[10:18] <Dhanjel> bob2: the drivers works, ndiswrapper says that the driver and hardware is ok
[10:18] <bob2> graabein: well, there's not much anyone can do if you're using some random non-ubuntu version of it.  if you use the ubuntu packages and it's still broken, then we can help...
[10:18] <bob2> Dhanjel: does the driver support scanning?
[10:18] <Dhanjel> bob2: yeah it should
[10:19] <bob2> narkceh: put multiverse at the end of the deb ... line
[10:19] <Dhanjel> but when I enter the essid manually, it still does not want to connect
[10:19] <bob2> narkceh: which was line 3 (as I said) in your sources.list
[10:19] <graabein> bob2, okay, i want to use the ubuntu one, cause im a noob and all... ill try to uninstall nvidia then
[10:19] <bob2> graabein: ok
[10:19] <narkceh> bob2, deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted multiverse <-- that one?
[10:19] <bob2> narkceh: no
[10:20] <bob2> narkceh: the line above that
[10:20] <narkceh> bob2, deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted <-- that then?
[10:20] <Dhanjel> it can't be a router problem, because my laptop works fine
[10:20] <bob2> narkceh: yes
[10:20] <narkceh> bob2, so multiverse there? or is it 'multiverse'?
[10:21] <bob2> narkceh: no quotes, again
[10:21] <graabein> bob2, ive uninstalled it and switched back to nv... now probably x wont start
[10:21] <narkceh> bob2, oh sorry.
[10:21] <graabein> bob2, what do i have to look at?
[10:22] <metasquier> bob2, gutted it still doesnt get the nvidia driver
[10:22] <bob2> graabein: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:22] <bob2> metasquier: show me your sources.list again
[10:22] <graabein> bob2, i was thinking of error messages and log files so they wont get overwritten
[10:22] <metasquier> bob2, alright, the new one?
[10:22] <bob2> metasquier: yes
[10:22] <graabein> bob2, cause last time i tried with nv the screen just flimmered and x didnt start
[10:22] <narkceh> bob2, it worked. thank you very very mutch bob2.
[10:23] <bob2> graabein: just set it up, then if it doesn't work, look at the logs
[10:23] <bob2> narkceh: np
[10:23] <graabein> bob2, xorg.0.log? anything else?
[10:23] <bob2> graabein: ?
[10:23] <graabein> bob2, any log files besides xorg.0.log that i should keep?
[10:24] <bob2> graabein: no
[10:24] <graabein> bob2, allright. thanks. ill try it then
[10:25] <metasquier> bob2, Ive put my new sources.lst in #flood
[10:25] <metasquier> bob2, one problem, I only have warty warthog at the moment
[10:25] <metasquier> bob2, that could be causing some problems?
[10:26] <aziz> I have mysql running .. and i don't have postgresql. But during egroupware setup. it detected that postgresql is loaded while mysql is not !
[10:28] <graabein> bob2, well ill be damned! it looks okay now!!!!
[10:30] <bob2> aziz: no idea, sorry.  try asking on an egroupware mailing list or something.
[10:30] <metasquier> grrr trying to download Hoary Hedgehog on dialup is not cool!!!
[10:30] <bob2> metasquier: your sources.list says you're using hoary...
[10:30] <ndlovu> my openoffice.org seems to be broken, anyone able to help?
[10:30] <metasquier> bob2, thats because I copied another one and pasted it
[10:31] <metasquier> bob2, its not the origional one
[10:31] <bob2> metasquier: er
[10:31] <freex> anyone here used mod-python?
[10:31] <bob2> metasquier: so it's not your actual sources.list
[10:31] <bob2> freex: best to just ask your question
[10:31] <bob2> ndlovu: you need to be way more specific
[10:32] <freex> just installed mod-python in hoary, when i try to import it i get a ImportError:
[10:32] <metasquier> bob2, my sources.list is the first lot
[10:32] <freex> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/mod_python/apache.py", line 28, in ?
[10:32] <freex>     import _apache
[10:32] <metasquier> bob2, Ill paste it again
[10:32] <thoreauputic> Is anyone aware of a reliable way to get rhythmbox to play in xfce4? It requires esd but esd makes everything else choke soundwise in xfce, it seems...
[10:33] <ndlovu> when I start OOo, it comes up with the splash screen, and then an error window pops up saying "The application could not be started. RegisterServices, configureUcb"
[10:33] <freex> am i missing something?
[10:33] <freex> what do you think bob2?
[10:33] <ndlovu> when I click OK, soffice.bin takes up about 90% of resources
[10:33] <bob2> metasquier: dude, in future, when I ask to see your sources.list, I do mean the one you're actually using...
[10:34] <graabein> now xmms freezes. i probably have to change to esound. how do i kill xmms?
[10:34] <bob2> ndlovu: does it affect other users?
[10:34] <bob2> graabein: run "xkill" in a terminal and click on xmms
[10:34] <thoreauputic> graabein, o run killall xmms
[10:34] <ndlovu> bob2: I only have one user setup, so can't say
[10:34] <thoreauputic> *or
[10:34] <metasquier> bob2, sorry man, its just I changed what was in it, hence why I asked if you wanted the new one, Ive reverted back to my origional one now seeing as the new one didnt work
[10:34] <graabein> thanks
[10:35] <bob2> metasquier: on the new one, add a line like this: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[10:35] <bob2> metasquier: then run 'sudo apt-get update', then try following the guide again
[10:35] <metasquier> bob2, thanks
[10:35] <bob2> that will download a couple of megs, so you'll need to wait a bit
[10:36] <metasquier> bob2, ok thankyou, Ill tell you how it goes
[10:36] <thoreauputic> esd appears to be a bit of an issue in hoary.... I'm finding I have to switch output plugins back and forth depending which window manager/ desktop environment I'm using
[10:36] <metasquier> bob2, It still gives me the following (see #flood)
[10:39] <bob2> metasquier: well, I have no idea what the problem is
[10:39] <thoreauputic> For anyone who is interested, configuring dialup with the GUI tools in hoary resulted in a 4MB download taking 1 hr 12min (yes, timed). Reconfiguring with pppconfig resulted in the same dowload taking less than 15 minutes....
[10:39] <bob2> it's in the restricted repository
[10:40] <metasquier> bob2, ok well thanks for your help anyway, could you try seeing if you can see the nvidia package on apt-get, perhaps the server is just not making it available at present time
[10:40] <bob2> yes, I can see it
[10:40] <thoreauputic> bob2, any known issues with the back end for ppp config in hoary, as used in the networking dialog ?
[10:40] <bob2> that's how I know it's in restricted
[10:40] <ndlovu> is there some way to try reinstall OOo with apt or Synaptic? I'd prefer not to lose the configurations though.
[10:40] <abarbaccia> iiiiimmmmmmmmmmmmm wasted
[10:40] <metasquier> bob2, well thanks anyway :)
[10:41] <bob2> ndlovu: that is highly unlikely to help
[10:41] <metasquier> bob2, Oh I think I needed to run apt-get update
[10:41] <bob2> er
[10:41] <metasquier> :)
[10:41] <bob2> yes
[10:41] <bob2> of course
[10:42] <bob2> 18:35:34 @         bob2 | metasquier: then run 'sudo apt-get update', then try following the guide again
[10:42] <metasquier> bob2, my bad :S
[10:42] <thoreauputic> thor|pizza
[10:42] <metasquier> yum pizza
[10:42] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:43] <freex> just installed mod-python in hoary, when i try to import it i get a ImportError:
[10:43] <gorilla_> metasquier, no no... you mean apt-get pizza (I don't use yum) :-)
[10:43] <freex> anyone here used mod-python?
[10:43] <metasquier> pizza << sauce << cheeze << pepperoni << more chesse;
[10:44] <metasquier> gorilla_, hehehe
[10:44] <bob2> freex: are you using a known-good program?
[10:44] <metasquier> cout << pizza
[10:44] <metasquier> cin >> mouth
[10:44] <ndlovu> bob2: It might be quite difficult to fix then, since a Google search on configureUcb only returned two results, neither connected to my error message
[10:45] <freex> no just trying to get mod-python running
[10:45] <bob2> freex: then use a sample program that you know is ok
[10:45] <bob2> I'd strongly suspect your program is just broken
[10:45] <metasquier> who thinks ubuntu is a strainge yet cool name for a distro?
[10:45] <freex> am using the example from the mod-python-doc
[10:46] <bob2> ok
[10:46] <graabein> bob2, glx is real slow. what doc do i find the config settings options?
[10:46] <bob2> I doubt it's a config problem
[10:46] <bob2> you probably aren't using the proprietary drivers yet
[10:47] <graabein> bob2, how do i check? lsmod?
[10:47] <freex> such as?
[10:47] <metasquier> you know what would be cool? a ubuntu distro for the Xbox, and one day maybe someone could make some decent video drivers for the xbox on linux
[10:47] <metasquier> lol
[10:47] <metasquier> then you could play UT on it
[10:47] <graabein> lsmod | grep "nv"
[10:47] <graabein> nvidia               3923388  0
[10:47] <graabein> agpgart                31784  2 intel_agp,nvidia
[10:48] <bob2> graabein: did you reboot after doing the steps in the howto?
[10:48] <graabein> bob2, yep
[10:48] <graabein> my xorg.conf says driver "nv"
[10:49] <metasquier> graabein, why dont you install the nvidia drivers..... apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:49] <bob2> graabein: well, that would be your problem
[10:49] <bob2> graabein: read the howto again
[10:49] <graabein> metasquier, thought i already had them... ill try
[10:49] <graabein> nvidia-glx is already the newest version.
[10:49] <graabein> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[10:49] <metasquier> graabein, hmm yeah so did I...but nv is generic, nvidia is the full thing
[10:50] <bob2> graabein: you need to read the howto again
[10:50] <metasquier> oh right
[10:50] <metasquier> odd
[10:50] <metasquier> change your config file
[10:50] <bob2> nv is the Free module, you need to tell it to use nvidia.
[10:50] <metasquier> yup thats right
[10:50] <graabein> driver "nvidia" = ubuntu version?
[10:50] <metasquier> change "nv" to "nvidia" and some other stuff, its all in the howto on the wiki
[10:51] <metasquier> its universal for all distros
[10:51] <graabein> hehe, and i thought i got it all to work!
[10:51] <graabein> here we go again...
[10:51] <gorilla_> graabein, nope... nvidia is the proprietry version of the nv driver.... only the nvidia driver will work with the newer chipsets..
[10:51] <metasquier> you will see a nvidia splash screen if its working
[10:51] <graabein> ive got option nologo
[10:51] <metasquier> right
[10:51] <davegahan> what is the difference exactly between using sendmail and using an smtp server ?
[10:52] <metasquier> davegahan, different protocols
[10:52] <bob2> graabein: seriously, read the howto, it covers all this
[10:52] <graabein> ok guys, appreciate the help. ill try switching to "nvidia"
[10:52] <gorilla_> graabein, otherwise run glxinfo and it should say "Direct rendering: Yes"
[10:52] <bob2> davegahan: sendmail is an example of an smtp server
[10:52] <davegahan> i cant use my smtp server anymore
[10:52] <bob2> davegahan: it's not a particularily modern one, tho, nor very good for people who don't already know how to maintain it
[10:52] <davegahan> it reports "cannot relay, and makes a reference to a fake IP number xxxxx"
[10:53] <davegahan> sendmail works, my smtp doesnt
[10:53] <davegahan> but i can receive mail
[10:53] <metasquier> davegahan, what email provider are you using?
[10:54] <bob2> "sendmail works, my smtp doesnt" doesn't make sense
[10:54] <metasquier> davegahan, what email provider are you using?, is it Gmail?
[10:55] <metasquier> davegahan, or am i off the track here?
[10:55] <davegahan> i connect to a local area network, and no, my companies emailserver
[10:55] <davegahan> pop and smtp
[10:55] <metasquier> metasquier, oh ok I see
[10:55] <bob2> davegahan: so, the problem is that your company's mail server is refusing mail from you?
[10:56] <davegahan> when i set in Evolution Preferences under sending mail "sendmail" i can send mail
[10:56] <davegahan> when specifying my smtp server, it does not work
[10:56] <bob2> well, there you go
[10:57] <davegahan> the problem reported by evolution is not the smtp server but "fake IP number"
[10:57] <bob2> you're being too vague
[10:57] <bob2> what exact string are you telling evolution to use?
[10:59] <davegahan> what do you mean with "string" ?
[10:59] <bob2> what are you entering into the config dialog?
[10:59] <thoreauputic> davegahan, do you have a dynamic IP ?
[11:00] <davegahan> Relaying denied. IP name possibly forged [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[11:00] <thoreauputic> davegahan, if you send mail direct with sendmail, most ISPs wil reject it if it comes from a dynamic IP block
[11:00] <davegahan> this is the error message
[11:01] <davegahan> i will talk with my admin later this afternoon
[11:02] <davegahan> it seems from my network settings that I am using a Dynamic IP
[11:03] <b0ol> hey, how to start another xsession under [ctrl]  + [alt]  + [F8]  ?? thnx
[11:03] <LaMadredelCorder> hi there
[11:04] <thoreauputic> if your mail is sent from a dynamic IP it will be received by those in the same network, but most likely rejected outside that set of addresses (if you use your own server rather than relay)
[11:05] <ignis> Hi, the borders of my tft monitor are getting cut off slightly at the left by X. Any nice way to tune this up? xvidtune doesn't seem to be doing much..
[11:05] <LaMadredelCorder> anybody interested in a new MONO based Bittorrent client, GTK# gui, etc.
[11:06] <b0ol> hey, how to start another xsession under [ctrl]  + [alt]  + [F8]  ?? thnx
[11:06] <b0ol> with fluxbox?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> b0ol, something like  " startx `which fluxbox` -- :1  "  (the backticks and spaces are important)
[11:08] <thoreauputic> b0ol, but why not use the built-in gnome feature for new logins?
[11:08] <sparkling> hi all
[11:09] <sparkling> how can i close X and run into shell to install nvidia driver?
[11:09] <bob2> sparkling: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:09] <bob2> read that
[11:09] <thoreauputic> sparkling,  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:09] <thoreauputic> sparkling, but bob2 is right
[11:10] <freewoody> Hi all again
[11:11] <freewoody> amaranth, I am having some problems in my firewall settings
[11:11] <bob2> then disable your firewall entirely
[11:11] <freewoody> Well I can't
[11:11] <Amaranth> holy shit, time to turn on CNN
[11:12] <freewoody> I really don't know why the syslog.conf prints firewall logs directly to my console
[11:12] <jbm__> b00m
[11:12] <b0ol> thoreauputic: what do you mean?
[11:12] <b0ol> :/
[11:12] <b0ol> built-in gnome feature?
[11:12] <freewoody> Well Amaranth you taught me to install hoary using SSH :D
[11:12] <sparkling> thanks bob2
[11:12] <sparkling> tnx thoreauputic
[11:12] <sparkling> :D
[11:13] <thoreauputic> b0ol,  system Tolls , New Login
[11:13] <thoreauputic> Tools I mean
[11:13] <ndlovu> bob2: any ideas where to start finding the bug in my OOo setup?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> b0ol, you can also do a nested new login in an Xnest window
[11:14] <b0ol> xnest? O.o
[11:14] <b0ol> if i click on new login
[11:14] <b0ol> nothing happens :<
[11:14] <bob2> ndlovu: I'd see if it affects another user first
[11:14] <thoreauputic> b0ol, are you in gnome?
[11:14] <b0ol> nope xfce
[11:14] <thoreauputic> ah
[11:14] <ndlovu> bob2: so create another test user
[11:14] <b0ol> :wait
[11:14] <b0ol> brb
[11:14] <bob2> ndlovu: yes
[11:15] <b0ol> re so
[11:15] <Amaranth> freewoody: You mean that crazy hack for Debian with debootstrap?
[11:15] <b0ol> im now logged in @ bash
[11:15] <b0ol> :)
[11:15] <b0ol> thoreauputic:
[11:15] <graabein> bob2, i cant get direct rendering to work
[11:15] <bob2> ok
[11:16] <theD3viL> hm.. is gnome better than kde?
[11:16] <Amaranth> theD3viL: Bad question to ask.
[11:16] <theD3viL> Amaranth, why ?
[11:16] <Amaranth> theD3viL: Seeing how this is the channel for the GNOME flavor of Ubuntu.
[11:17] <Kisain> you all have to check this out! (i'm a person not a bot lol) http://www.ebaumsworld.com/sand-sicaf.html
[11:17] <Kisain> i think you'll really like it
[11:17] <jbm__> I prefer gnome but kde is prolly better, let the flames fly
[11:17] <theD3viL> jbm__, why? is gnome working faster or what ?
[11:18] <b0ol> hm... well i can start a new xserver, but not with fluxbox because i dont know the command!
[11:18] <bob2> there is no "better"
[11:18] <jbm__> nah kde runs faster than gnome, but i prefer gnomes simplicity and layout... you should probably try them both and decide for yourself
[11:18] <bob2> it's all personal choice, use whatever you want
[11:18] <bob2> I'd be amazed if you could show benchmarks of kde being "faster"
[11:19] <theD3viL> i have installed kubuntu, but i thinking to install ubuntu
[11:20] <Amaranth> b0ol: run gdmflexiserver
[11:20] <jbm__> theD3viL I think you can add in the gnome side with like "sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop" and then pick which one you want at login
[11:20] <Amaranth> b0ol: it'll bring up a new gdm that you can login to fluxbox with
[11:21] <Amaranth> you can use ctrl-alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-f8 to switch between the two
[11:22] <theturtle> hey
[11:22] <Amaranth> hi
[11:22] <metalsand> How do I make sure my PCMCIA wireless card is working in Ubuntu?
[11:22] <theD3viL> jbm__, and it will be the same ?
[11:23] <bob2> metalsand: try it and see...
[11:23] <bob2> metalsand: wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiHowto
[11:23] <user1> hi all
[11:23] <theturtle> how can i rsync the entire current packages?
[11:23] <theturtle> for my branch/version
[11:23] <jbm__> theD3viL at login you can hit the "sessions" button and pick either KDE or GNOME from the list, so you can go back and forth to test them both out.
[11:24] <bob2> theturtle: use debmirror, but rsync won't help much
[11:24] <graabein> bob2, glxinfo gives me Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:24] <graabein> direct rendering: No
[11:24] <bob2> theturtle: be aware each branch of ubuntu is > 10GB or so
[11:24] <bob2> graabein: ok
[11:24] <metalsand> bob2: Is it possible to use WPA in Ubuntu?
[11:24] <bob2> metalsand: yes
[11:24] <metalsand> do I need any updates or packages?
[11:24] <bob2> you need wpasupplicant
[11:25] <freewoody> Yes Amarnath
[11:25] <bob2> and to read it's man page or whatever
[11:25] <theturtle> bob2 - rsync would work? just would grab too much  :/
[11:25] <bob2> theturtle: use debmirrors.
[11:25] <freewoody> Can you help me with this syslog.conf stuff ?
[11:25] <bob2> er, debmirror.
[11:25] <bob2> freewoody: don't address specific people unless you actually know them
[11:26] <bob2> freewoody:  set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 in /etc/sysctl.conf
[11:27] <b0ol> thanx Amaranth
[11:27] <b0ol> Amaranth:
[11:27] <ignis> -/j azureus
[11:27] <b0ol> but i get an errormsg /:
[11:27] <b0ol> it says 'cannot open display:'
[11:27] <yonil> can i make xmms go to the notifation area instead of the bottom bar ?
[11:27] <theturtle> bob2 is there a windows port? D
[11:28] <theturtle> :D
[11:28] <bob2> theturtle: doubt it
[11:28] <bob2> but it'll run on random other unices
[11:28] <bob2> yonil: not easily
[11:28] <yonil> bob2, how ?
[11:28] <Amaranth> b0ol: hrm, no idea
[11:28] <theturtle> ya i guess i could finaggle that, thanks alot bob2
[11:29] <bob2> yonil: use the xmms notification area plugin and minimise it
[11:29] <Amaranth> bob2: why are you 3 always op'ed?
[11:29] <theturtle> because he is an op
[11:29] <bob2> because there are lots of morons in the world
[11:29] <theturtle> :/
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> someone has to keep the peace
[11:30] <bob2> who are abusive unless they see op'd people in a channel
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> or, keep the pieces afterwards
[11:30] <bob2> which is rather pathetic
[11:30] <yonil> bob2, thanks
[11:30] <bob2> but so are those people
[11:30] <Amaranth> bob2: It's not the freenode way though.
[11:30] <aziz> how do i remove a package with all its configurations ?
[11:30] <bob2> Amaranth: indeed
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> aziz: dpkg --purge packagename
[11:30] <Amaranth> aziz: sudo apt-get remove --purge package-name
[11:30] <bob2> aziz: purge it using whatever tool you normally manage packages with
[11:31] <veritas> bob2: Are you still around?
[11:31] <veritas> ... My userlist isn't displayed in x-chat for some reason
[11:31] <bob2> I don't use xchat
[11:32] <veritas> What do you use?'
[11:32] <bob2> irssi-text.
[11:32] <veritas> Perhaps I'll look into it
[11:32] <veritas> bob2: I got this when reloading synaptic
[11:32] <veritas> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[11:32] <veritas> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[11:32] <veritas> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[11:32] <bob2> please don't paste stuff in here
[11:32] <bob2> also, please read his website
[11:33] <theturtle> you'll need to import his GPG key
[11:33] <bob2> veritas: http://debian.video.free.fr/
[11:33] <bob2> veritas: but, you pretty much shouldn't be using his repository at all
[11:35] <veritas> bob2: why shouldn't I? Because those packages are not secure?
[11:35] <bob2> veritas: because there's little reason to
[11:35] <b0ol> nerim is necessary whether he wants to download w32codecs
[11:35] <bob2> well
[11:35] <b0ol> but if you dont need it
[11:35] <b0ol> DEACTIVATE IT!
[11:35] <bob2> you can get that from other places
[11:35] <b0ol> it makes a lot of trouble ;)
[11:35] <bob2> but you only need to install it once
[11:35] <b0ol> yes
[11:36] <veritas> Where do I deactivate it? - and what alternative should I use to nerim?
[11:36] <bob2> in /etc/apt/sources.list, and nothing
[11:37] <bob2> well, multiverse
[11:37] <yonil> bob2: is there a way to make xmms not appearing in the bottom tray ? (the plugin works btw :D)
[11:37] <veritas> I'm still in my first week of Linux
[11:37] <veritas> So you're going to have to bare with me bob -.-
[11:38] <topaspv> hello everybody
[11:38] <bob2> yonil: not easily...devilspie might be able to, but I'm not sure how to use it
[11:39] <veritas> bob2: should I simply delete the nerim links?
[11:39] <bob2> or comment them out
[11:39] <veritas> Is there a chance that I need them for a package I might hav einstalled?
[11:40] <veritas> I remember adding them when I was fixing my screen resolution
[11:40] <yonil> bob2, devil's pie sounds like an interesting app, ill check it
[11:40] <veritas> Apparently there was a bug with Dell widescreen laptops
[11:41] <njan> veritas, what bug?
[11:42] <veritas> I couldn't display in widescreen
[11:42] <veritas> Someone guided me through an install that would fix it...
[11:42] <Disc00rd> Any idea how long it takes for CD's to be shipped out normaly?
[11:43] <bob2> Disc00rd: when did you order?
[11:43] <Disc00rd> About a week ago, not expecting them for a while though :P
[11:44] <bob2> a while then
[11:45] <bob2> if you'd ordered before hoary, then you'd be getting them now
[11:45] <Disc00rd> So a month or 2?
[11:45] <bob2> less, I'd hope
[11:45] <bob2> if it's not there in a month, mail mako
[11:46] <jbm__> who pays for all that mailing... i think you guys are crazy
[11:46] <Disc00rd> Wouldn't happen to have his email on you? Just so i can write it down just incase
[11:46] <Mr_Milenko> ( Current Time ) Hour: ( 5:46 AM ) Day: ( Thursday ) Date: ( May 5, 2005 )
[11:46] <Mr_Milenko> its EARLY
[11:46] <Mr_Milenko> >_<
[11:47] <ndlovu> bob2: I tried logging in as another user, OOo still doesn't work. It doesn't even load the splash screen then, but it does show on the task bar for a short time.
[11:50] <azad> how to limit my traffic?
[11:53] <ignis> When using nvidia twinview with my laptop, if I use a metamode where the laptop screen is unused and i'm just using the desktop monitor, gnome seems to get confused about the location of the panels and maximizes windows over them.. any ideas how to fix this?
[11:54] <jbm__> Anyone know a defrag program for ext3, additionally does ext3 even need defrag ever???
[11:54] <azad> one solution comes to my mind.. but i'm not sure whether you like it ignis. "sudo apt-get install kde"
[11:55] <ignis> azad: lol
[11:56] <Amaranth> azad: that'd be sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:56] <ignis> azad: well, i haven't looked at kde in a few releases actually..
[11:56] <azad> Amaranth: okay
[11:57] <ignis> does ubuntu keep the menus nice and separate if you have both desktops installed?
[11:58] <jbm__> ignis no, you will have all them K's all over your gnome menus
[11:58] <azad> Ks \o/
[11:58] <ignis> oh god
[11:58] <ignis> so i'll get around 10000 new menu entries
[11:59] <theturtle> anyway i could get someone to give me depends of penggy for ubuntu?
[11:59] <theturtle> 5.04?
[11:59] <ignis> half of which will do the same thing as each other
[11:59] <metalsand> When I shut down, should I always make sure to "Save settings"?
[12:00] <linuxboy> whats that new ubuntu name? the one thats unstable all the time
[12:01] <azad> breezy
[12:01] <linuxboy> azad: no, the unstable one
[12:01] <azad> hm?
[12:01] <linuxboy> grumpy groundhog?
[12:01] <azad> oh.. no idea, thought that was breezy
[12:01] <linuxboy> azad: its the same as sid on debian
[12:02] <jbm__> so breezy is "testing" then?
[12:02] <linuxboy> jbm__: yeah
[12:02] <azad> http://slashdot.org/palm/8/05/05/01/1741229_1.shtml <- does that help you?
[12:02] <linuxboy> azad: yesh
[12:03] <linuxboy> azad: yeah
[12:03] <azad> fine :)
[12:03] <ignis> lol these ubuntu mirrors are DAMN fast, kubuntu-desktop is installed already!
[12:03] <ignis> now to give it a try
[12:03] <ndlovu> when I try reload package information in Synaptic, it fails all the time, but sudo apt-get update seems to work fine. Any ideas?
[12:04] <ignis> didn't add too much to my gnome menus ;)
[12:04] <jbm__> oooh they make grumpy groundhog sound so cool and cutting edge! prolly crashes alot
[12:09] <ignis> well kde works in that mode..
[12:09] <ignis> but it fails the 2 monitors mode spectaculary
[12:10] <azad> hmm
[12:10] <ignis> and has that general kde cluttered look
[12:10] <ignis> ;)
[12:10] <azad> :)
[12:11] <ignis> kunbuntu's default theme is clearlooks?
[12:11] <ignis> i thought that was gnome only..
[12:12] <jbm__> kde did dual monitors for me fine, it was nice cuz you can set different backgrounds even for each screen
[12:13] <ignis> jbm__: was that with xinerama or nvidia's twinview?
[12:14] <jbm__> ignis, I have ATI so it was some fglrxconfig nonsense.
[12:15] <azad> *sighs* there will be some time i'll get my radeon running, too
[12:15] <azad> maybe, at least
[12:15] <ignis> jbm__: strangeness.. when i started it up it was very badly broken but upon switching back to the dual mode with randr is works fine..
[12:17] <jbm__> ignis, cool so i guess your maximization problems were gnome based?
[12:18] <ignis> jbm__: yes, seems to be the case
[12:18] <theD3viL> jbm__, do you have in gnome control center ?
[12:19] <ignis> jbm__: though, X is still taking up a little bit too much space at the top and left of the screen. any idea how to adjust this? xvidtune seems to have no effect on a flatscreen..
[12:21] <xukun> can I install opera on ubuntu?
[12:21] <jbm__> ignis, my lcd has an auto image adjust that fixes problems like that from its end...?
[12:21] <jbm__> theD3viL what??
[12:22] <theD3viL> jbm__, in kde i have control centre, for adjusting display etc. do you have some like that in gnome ?
[12:22] <bob2> xukun: probably
[12:22] <bob2> xukun: why don't you just try?
[12:23] <metalsand> bob2: how would I enable a .pid file to be written on?
[12:23] <bob2> what are you trying to do?
[12:23] <xukun> bob2: becouse its not like I can do apt-get install opera
[12:23] <ignis> jdm__: LOL, forgive me - all this hardware is new! I never thought to resort to the buttons on the monitor itself as oppossed to software :)
[12:24] <ignis> working nicely now
[12:24] <jmob> xukun: so download the .deb for opera and install it
[12:24] <metalsand> When I try to run kismet I get the error "Sud priv dropping disabled. This may not be sures."
[12:24] <bob2> xukun: go get the .deb from operas website.
[12:24] <metalsand> "FATAL: Unable to set up pidfile /var/run/kismet_server.pid, couldn't open for writing: Permission denied
[12:25] <bob2> you're not running it as root
[12:26] <jbm__> theD3viL there is a screen resolution widget in gnome-control-center, but mostly i just edit my /etc/X11/xorg.conf myself
[12:27] <jbm__> ignis, sweet!
[12:30] <ignis> jbm__: did you say you managed to get different wallpapers for each monitor under kde? (rather than different wallpapers for each workspace)
[12:31] <jbm__> ignis yes but it is prolly different than twinview... I have it set up so there is 2 drivers 1 for each screen, so both monitors have applications panels and stuff
[12:33] <Raskall> I have set up my wifi gateway with ZoneCD now. Quite happy. Now I can give everyone that wants wifi access via my ap internet access, but feel safe myself. I've customized the login page too: http://tinyurl.com/dqowh
[12:33] <Raskall> I have been working on it all night.
[12:33] <Raskall> I miss one thing, though. ZoneCD incorporated in Ubuntu.
[12:34] <ignis> jbm__: yup, i'm just looking at the nvidia readme now and i may be able to do something similar - two seperate screens rather than twinview.. has the disadvantage of not being able to drag windows between screens though
[12:36] <metalsand> FATAL: Unable to open cisco control fike '/pro/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory
[12:36] <metalsand> How can I have the program I'm trying to run start from eth2
[12:37] <jbm__> ignis: true that I cannot drag accross monitors, also when loading some programs like firefox 1 on each screen it chokes about profile mismatching and stuff. need to create a second profile for the second screen etc. but it feels nicer to me than twinview
[12:38] <Drako60> ok i know there was a readme somewhere for getting sound to work with nvidia binary drivers anyone point me there?
[12:38] <xun> I installed the NVidia driver from www.nvidia.com. Immediate after installation i can start X. But after rebooting it isnt working anymore. I already removed all apt-provided nvidia-packages. But something is still messed up during bootup. Any suggestions?
[12:39] <bob2> metalsand: that's not what it says
[12:39] <nevyn> ok i"m having wierd problems with a ubuntu system acting as a gateway i can telnet out to a remote webserver from an internal host and do a GET  and have it work but web browsers all hang and there"s nothing useful in the kernel log> any ideas?
[12:39] <bob2> metalsand: also, if you're getting an error *like* that, you need to configure kisme to use the card type you have
[12:40] <bwb> nevyn: are you telneting using the hostname or ip addr?
[12:40] <bwb> (i.e. maybe dns is fscked?)
[12:40] <metalsand> K. I'm downloading the kismet files right now
[12:40] <bwb> (can you ping yahoo.com?)
[12:40] <metalsand> I'm going to go through the readme and hope it has info on how to do that
[12:40] <Drako60> i have sound coming from my speakers but mplayer is not giving me any sound
[12:41] <jbm__> xun are you sure nvidia module is being loaded properly at startup? you should have "nvidia" in your /etc/modules file
[12:41] <fragspaz> how do i get my printer working on a network
[12:41] <fragspaz> ??
[12:42] <nevyn> bwb: checked that.
[12:42] <bwb> nevyn: and it works, you can get packets back?
[12:42] <bwb> nevyn: also is the gateway doing any NATing or just acting as a router?
[12:43] <nevyn> I can get the page back from telnet
[12:43] <xun> I have nvidia listed in my modules.conf. Also lsmod shows nvidia loaded. That looks ok. On the other side my Xorg.log shows the line "NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!". Confusing, isnt it?
[12:43] <fragspaz> anyone gonna answer me?
[12:43] <ignis> jbm__: yeah, i'm going to give it a try and which i prefer. i'm sure it would solve my gnome problems as well.. heh heh though kde 3.4 is looking better than last time i tried it
[12:43] <fragspaz> how do i get my printer working on a network
[12:43] <nevyn> bwb the box is NATing using hoary with the ipmasq package from universe
[12:44] <fragspaz> ??
[12:44] <NeWiTa> fragspaz: patience
[12:44] <bwb> fragspaz: hello
[12:44] <bwb> nevyn: hrm
[12:44] <fragspaz> i dont have patience i need it _now_
[12:45] <fragspaz> i have a HP 5652 DeskJet printer and i need it working on a windows network
[12:45] <bwb> nevyn: timeouts you said... can it determine the hostname? is it "waiting for a reply"? etc?
[12:45] <ignis> jbm__: now what i'd *really* like is to be able to specify different font sizes for each screen :) is that possible?
[12:45] <nevyn> bwb hostname lookups work for ping.
[12:45] <jbm__> ignis haha im glad you like 3.4, i wasnt impressed and went immediatly back to gnome then got all mad at all them K's all over the place and had to rebuild my system to get rid of them lol
[12:45] <bwb> nevyn: right right,  i'm trying to think of how the browser could be failing tho
[12:46] <nevyn> bwb that's what's gotten me stumped too.
[12:46] <bwb> yea
[12:46] <nevyn> and it's multiple windows xp hosts
[12:46] <bwb> can you go to an ip addr in the web browser?
[12:46] <jbm__> ignis, maybe im not sure, i have both my screens running at different resolutions already, let me see
[12:46] <NeWiTa> fragspaz: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27111.html
[12:47] <nevyn> bwb no.
[12:48] <nevyn> but telnet ip 80 works
[12:48] <ignis> jbm__: yeah different resoultions should be fine.. the point is that one of my resoutions is 1280x1024 and the other is 1900x1200 so fonts look VERY different!
[12:48] <yonil> How can i print a pdf smaller ? (it chops the end of the page on the print)
[12:49] <ignis> jbm__: doesn't removing kubuntu-desktop get rid of all the associated crap? i'm sure theres something (perhaps kdelibs4) that will certainly take the rest of kde with it if you remove it
[12:50] <odyssey> kde-base?
[12:50] <fragspaz> how does linux go about windows->linux
[12:50] <fragspaz> do i still need samba?>
[12:50] <odyssey> sorry kdebase
[12:50] <jbm__> ignis It doesnt look like you can set font for each screen in gnome, but like i said i could set different backgrounds in kde so maybe you can do fonts there too screen based youll have to try it
[12:50] <nevyn> fragspaz: samba is a networking suite to talk to windows machines..
[12:51] <nevyn> fragspaz: what do you mean by windows->linux ?
[12:51] <Mr_Milenko> whats the current kernel?
[12:51] <odyssey> Mr_Milenko, in a terminal enter: uname -a
[12:51] <Mr_Milenko> SMB = Bestest
[12:51] <fragspaz> nevyn, nvm
[12:52] <Mr_Milenko> no no whats the current kernel for dl
[12:53] <odyssey> Mr_Milenko, 2.6.10-5
[12:53] <nevyn> Mr_Milenko: finger @kernel.org yourself.
[12:53] <Mr_Milenko> okie dokie then im up2date
[12:53] <Mr_Milenko> :P
[12:53] <ignis> jbm__: ok, cool, i'm going restart x and give this a whirl. thanks for your help
[12:53] <jbm__> ignis, good luck!
[12:54] <fragspaz> how do i run samba
[12:55] <odyssey> fragspaz, a samba server?
[12:55] <nevyn> or a samba client?
[12:55] <fragspaz> yes.... well no....
[12:55] <odyssey> or just browse windows shares?
[12:55] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[12:56] <fragspaz> i want to be able to get my printer working on linux, to be accesable to my other two computers
[12:56] <bwb> fragspaz: for printer sharing from a linux machine to a windows machine right?
[12:56] <fragspaz> and i dont know how to open samba, what todo?
[12:56] <fragspaz> yes bwb
[12:57] <nevyn> bwb any more thoughts. this is driving me insane.
[12:57] <bwb> nevyn: nah i'm sorry man... can't think of anything
[12:57] <bwb> (tho i don't usually populate #ubuntu soooo)
[12:58] <drummer87> hey.. does anyone know a way to stop the acx_pci module loading into the kernel at boot?
[12:58] <nevyn> the browser complains that the document contains no data
[12:58] <bwb> nevyn: hrm that odder in my opinion
[12:58] <fragspaz> so what do i do?
[12:59] <bwb> unless maybe it was setup for a proxy before?  but.... i think another error would occur
[12:59] <nevyn> bwb I'd expect unable to contact proxy server.
[12:59] <bwb> (btw just a student at HMC procrastinating on a paper 8))
[12:59] <bwb> yeah uhm
[12:59] <bwb> have you only tried one browser?
[12:59] <bwb> or any others?
[01:00] <metalsand> are PCMCIA cards detected as eth<number>
[01:01] <metalsand> in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto he uses wlan0
[01:01] <metalsand> ad I'm confused now :(
[01:01] <Drako60> how do i get nvidia sound working?
[01:07] <Drako60> this is funny totem plays audio from dvd but no video
[01:08] <IIIEars> is there a linux equivalent to DVD Shrink?
[01:08] <nevyn> IIIEars: no :( but it works under wine
[01:08] <t_scytale> metalsand, depends on the card. mostly yes, but some wireless models have a different name.
[01:09] <metalsand> Ah, so it's not weird mine says eth2?
[01:09] <t_scytale> you can find out what your card is called by running dmesg there should be some entries in there
[01:09] <t_scytale> not at all
[01:09] <IIIEars> 4 boxes under my desk i guess one should keep wondows on it if only as a reminder eww - lol
[01:09] <metalsand> wow
[01:09] <metalsand> that's a lot of text
[01:09] <t_scytale> you should make sure that eth2 is the name of the pcmcia card and not of some other network interface
[01:10] <metalsand> t_scytale: how do I update the driver for my internal laptopn network card?
[01:10] <t_scytale> yeah, it is but just do 'dmesg | grep eth2'
[01:10] <metalsand> that's what i'm trying to do
[01:10] <bob2> IIIEars: you live in a country where breaking css is legal?
[01:10] <metalsand> eth2: Prism I
[01:10] <metalsand> eth2: ready
[01:11] <t_scytale> eh. you downloaded new drivers from the developers site and want to replace the drivers that came with ubuntu?
[01:11] <metalsand> I still haven't been able to use it to access the internet, though
[01:11] <t_scytale> and your pcmcia card is a prism wireless card?
[01:11] <metalsand> Yes
[01:11] <metalsand> Senao NL 2511 PLUS EXT 2
[01:13] <metalsand> The problem is that I have an internal card too
[01:13] <metalsand> for my laptop... So I'm never sure that my PCMCIA card is the one with the connection to the internet
[01:13] <Panosso> Is there any one here form Brasil !?
[01:14] <t_scytale> well you can run ifconfig or use the network settings manager to check how each card is configured
[01:14] <metalsand> What does it mean when it takes forever to activate a wireless card?
[01:14] <metalsand> For my icon for eth2, I see a little red square to the lower right.. What does that imply?
[01:14] <t_scytale> you shouldn't update the wireless drivers manually until you are sure you have set everything else up
[01:15] <t_scytale> takes ages - can mean lots of things. you should check that you have all the settings correct
[01:15] <etzerd> Hello all
[01:15] <metalsand> Damn this is frustrating
[01:15] <metalsand> I have the exact same settings as my internal
[01:15] <etzerd> How do I upgrade to the 2.11 Kernel?
[01:16] <t_scytale> you should try turning off all other interfaces (eth0 and eth1) and then try turning on eth2 from the commandline and see if there are any error messages
[01:16] <metalsand> but when I deactivate eth0 (my internal card) and activate eth2 (my PCMCIA senao - prism chipset card) I can't access the internet
[01:16] <t_scytale> ok, so you need to find out why.
[01:16] <metalsand> when I try to sudo ifdown eth0 I get an error
[01:16] <Thunder00> i'm looking for a Open souce CMS for a company which supports Departments, Sections within departments, news for each department, user authentication for each department ..... does anyone know a CMS or portal with these features ?
[01:16] <t_scytale> what error?
[01:17] <metalsand> interface eth0 not configured
[01:17] <metalsand> (while I was connected to the internet)
[01:18] <metalsand> Would it make any different if I made eth2 my primary network interface in /etc/network/interface
[01:18] <t_scytale> lemmie see, while connected to the internet run 'route' to see which interface your traffic is travelling over
[01:18] <metalsand> I'm 99% sure it's eth0
[01:18] <metalsand> Because I can't connect when I have eth2 activated/eth0 deactivated
[01:19] <t_scytale> and to find out the problem with eth2 try running 'ifup eth2' from command line and see if there are any errors
[01:19] <metalsand> but I can when I have eth0activated and eth2 actived
[01:19] <foxiness> metalsand, i think maybe u need to clear "getway" filed on eth "firest one"
[01:19] <foxiness> than u need to but the getway on new one
[01:20] <metalsand> How do I go about doing that
[01:20] <foxiness> metalsand, route
[01:20] <metalsand> The LED on my PCMCIA card is just blinking
[01:20] <metalsand> I don't have a manual (Got it OEM)
[01:20] <metalsand> Does that generally mean anything?
[01:20] <foxiness> or gui from system>adm..>network
[01:20] <graabein> hello. how do i fix glxinfo: Direct rendering: No ?
[01:21] <Myrtti> I cannot get xmltv working
[01:21] <Cam-> anyone know if you can forward VPN packets through a router that doesnt have VPN support?
[01:21] <Myrtti> anyone with any info on the matter, help?
[01:22] <t_scytale> metalsand, no
[01:22] <bwb> Cam-: if it's tunneled, dont' see why not
[01:22] <njan> Cam-, router? no problem. NAT router? may break.
[01:22] <t_scytale> so run ifup eth2 and see if it complains. then run route too see if the system is trying to send packets over eth2
[01:22] <metalsand> foxiness: how exactly do I change the gateway
[01:22] <Cam-> im thinking of setting up a vpn server
[01:22] <Cam-> :/
[01:22] <metalsand> k
[01:23] <metalsand> I'm going to decativate eth2 with the network GUI
[01:23] <Cam-> maybe ill just forward all packets to the VPN server
[01:23] <metalsand> then run it in terminal
[01:23] <Cam-> and let the VPN server do the routing?
[01:23] <njan> Cam-, if portforwarding doesn't work, that would be one option.
[01:23] <t_scytale> good idea
[01:23] <metalsand> Here we go, Scytale
[01:24] <metalsand> Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) :
[01:24] <metalsand> Set failed on device eth2 ; Operation not supported
[01:24] <foxiness> metalsand, if u open network select the eho1 "double click" than clear "getway"
[01:25] <metalsand> I don't see that option
[01:26] <metalsand> t_scytale: You see my error?
[01:26] <foxiness> metalsand, getway - gateway
[01:27] <metalsand> I don't think there is a gateway field for wireless cards
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> erm there is
[01:28] <t_scytale> i see it . there is a gateway for wireless cards. first run 'ifconfig eth2' to see if the card was configured despite the error
[01:28] <Myrtti> anyone got XMLTV working?
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> it works the same as an ethernet card
[01:28] <t_scytale> paste in the line starting with 'inet addr'. then run route and see if there are any lines about eth2
[01:29] <metalsand> Bleh. Going to have to write it out
[01:29] <metalsand> inet6 addr: <my mac add< Scope: Link
[01:29] <metalsand> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:150 Metric:1
[01:29] <metalsand> 0 packs, errors, dropped, overuns, frames
[01:29] <t_scytale> nope . just the line starting with inet addr, not "inet56 addr"
[01:30] <metalsand> hahahha
[01:30] <metalsand> There isn't one
[01:30] <t_scytale> not "inet6 addr"
[01:30] <graabein> anyone got the time to help me setup glx?
[01:30] <t_scytale> ok so your card isn't configured. route/gateway is irrelevant
[01:30] <nevyn> bwb: found it.
[01:30] <t_scytale> so now you need to figure out what is wrong with the config settings for your card.
[01:30] <metalsand> It says it's configured in the network settings
[01:30] <nevyn> bwb: linux won't fragment a packet by default.
[01:30] <nevyn> bwb it drops it.
[01:31] <metalsand> How do I do that, t_scytale
[01:31] <bwb> nevyn: hrm ahhhhhhhh
[01:31] <bwb> nevyn: interesting
[01:31] <bwb> wouldn't have thought that would be default behavior
[01:31] <nevyn> so because the lan is MTU 1500 and the modem is MTU 296
[01:31] <bwb> wonder if it's ubuntu lacking a default config in most distros or..
[01:31] <nevyn> nah it's my fault.
[01:31] <bwb> cause I don't remember havint that problem on slack 3.5 ;p
[01:32] <bwb> ah?
[01:32] <nevyn> bwb it was working I forgot I twiddled ppp options to make ssh better.
[01:32] <bwb> ah
[01:32] <nevyn> lower mtu means less long per frame means QOS works on modems
[01:32] <nevyn> so interactive services get pushed up the queue
[01:33] <metalsand> t_scytale?
[01:33] <metalsand> How do I config the settings for my PCMCIA card?
[01:34] <t_scytale> ok so look in your network settings.
[01:34] <Myrtti> no-one using XMLTV?
[01:34] <metalsand> Looking...
[01:34] <t_scytale> is there a frequency set in there? remove it if there is
[01:35] <metalsand> The network settings GUI?
[01:36] <metalsand> Frequency 2.462 Ghz
[01:36] <metalsand> When I iwconfig eth2
[01:37] <t_scytale> ok, so iirc normally you don't need to specify a fequency
[01:38] <t_scytale> try clearing that in the gui and seeing what happens
[01:38] <Frafra> hi
[01:39] <Frafra> i'm using breazy
[01:39] <metalsand> it isn't listed int he GUI
[01:39] <Frafra> i've upgraded it
[01:39] <Frafra> but it displays:
[01:39] <Frafra> Compiling /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_spe/examples/uml_example.py ...
[01:39] <Frafra> Sorry: IndentationError: ('expected an indented block', ('/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_spe/examples/uml_example.py', 35, 7, '    def onOk(self):\n'))
[01:39] <Frafra> how i must do?
[01:43] <t_scytale> metalsand, look in /etc/network/interfaces/ - there should be a section in there about eth2
[01:43] <Sticky> Cowlike-away: what did you need many hours/days ago when you said my name?
[01:45] <Sticky> archive.us.ubuntu isnt letting me connect to it
[01:45] <lwizardl> hi
[01:46] <Sticky> Could not connect to us.archiv e.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[01:46] <graabein> can anyone look at my xorg.conf and xorg.0.log files? http://pastebin.com/279920
[01:46] <lwizardl> it says to check /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/Monitors but i don't seem to have it
[01:46] <Sticky> congrats graabein you have an xorg config :)
[01:46] <bob2> Sticky: wait a while
[01:46] <Sticky> bob2: alright
[01:47] <markuman> hello....i have some problem with flash on amd64 maschine. i have apt-get install libflibflash-mozplugin.
[01:47] <markuman> but flash don't work and firefox hang on
[01:48] <lwizardl> anyone use an HP M700 monitor ?
[01:48] <Sticky> I wish ATI didnt suck as much as 10 hookers in linux
[01:48] <metalsand> Ibimti has been mounted 20 times withou t bheing checked
[01:48] <metalsand> Check forced
[01:48] <metalsand> What does that mean?
[01:48] <metalsand> Ubuntu*
[01:49] <graabein> Sticky, i think ive got some mix-up with ubuntus and nvidias drivers. some symlink errors?
[01:50] <Xappe> metalsand: that fsck is checking your / for errors.
[01:51] <{AraGorN}> irc.irc-hispano.org
[01:51] <Sticky> graabein: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+drivers+nvidia&spell=1
[01:53] <spreda> does hoary save the contents of mbr before it writes grub to it?
[01:55] <marcin_ant> hi all
[01:55] <marcin_ant> I got short and propably simple question
[01:55] <bob2> spreda: probably not
[01:55] <marcin_ant> are there any new repositories for new ubuntu release?
[01:55] <bob2> spreda: there's nothing useful in there
[01:55] <bob2> marcin_ant: hoary is a different part of the same repository
[01:56] <spreda> bob2: thanks
[01:56] <lwizardl> ok i found this online for my monitor that kubuntu only gives me options for 640x480 & 320x240 res
[01:56] <lwizardl> Hewlett-Packard; HP D2838 M700 17-inch Display; hwp0b16; 30.0-86.0; 50.0-160.0; 1
[01:56] <spreda> there is if you need to remove ubuntu!
[01:56] <marcin_ant> bob2: so, I got hoary and I wonder if there are any new packages?
[01:57] <bob2> marcin_ant: of course
[01:57] <marcin_ant> bob2: I know that hoary is "stable"
[01:57] <bob2> spreda: no there isn't
[01:57] <bob2> spreda: grub can boot windows or whatever
[01:57] <bob2> spreda: and windows can easily put it's boot sector back
[01:57] <marcin_ant> bob2: but I'm sure that development goes on - so where can I find repo with new/updated packages?
[01:58] <Seveas> marcin_ant, it is simply archive.ubuntu.com
[01:58] <Seveas> you just need the breezy lists
[01:58] <Seveas> but it isn't advisable to use breezy in this stage of development, it will break a lot
[01:58] <bob2> marcin_ant: don't use breezy
[01:58] <bob2> marcin_ant: if you have to ask how to access it, it's not ready for you
[02:00] <marcin_ant> bob2: don't worry I got free hdd to test new/devel distros
[02:00] <bob2> that's great
[02:00] <pelle_> Does anyone know how Usplash is progressing? are there binaries / sources somewhere?
[02:01] <graabein> can anyone look at my xorg.conf and xorg.0.log files? http://pastebin.com/279920
[02:01] <bob2> there's a page on the wiki
[02:01] <bob2> I think that's all that exists of it
[02:01] <pelle_> Is anyone using "splashy" or are there other alternatives?
[02:06] <ana150> hello, can someone tell me, what was the command to change utf-8 to iso-8859-15 encoding
[02:07] <marcin_ant> Seveas: what do you mean with "it will break a lot" ? Is this because there is a lot of new/unstable software or there is a lot of packages that are not installable?
[02:09] <bob2> ana150: iconv
[02:09] <ana150> :o
[02:09] <looksaus> does anyone know about plans to package eclipse for ubuntu?
[02:10] <ana150> i'll try that, wasn't that one last time though...
[02:10] <graabein> does ubuntu use dpkg with nvidia driver
[02:11] <bob2> graabein: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:11] <bob2> (yes)
[02:11] <bob2> looksaus: when it works properly with free java
[02:11] <pschulz01> can anyone give me a hint on how to start buildinging under Ubuntu?
[02:11] <bob2> what does "buildinging" mean?
[02:12] <pschulz01> I'm trying to build fdclock... 'apt-get build-dep fdclock' doesn't seem to do the correct thing.
[02:12] <pschulz01> bob2: sorry - building.
[02:13] <bob2> what do you think it should do?
[02:13] <bob2> and why do you want to build fdclock?
[02:13] <pschulz01> I was expecting to to get all the dependancies that I need...
[02:14] <pschulz01> I'm looking at cairo.. and wanted to hack on an existing application.
[02:14] <bob2> yes
[02:14] <bob2> but you also need to install build-essential
[02:14] <pschulz01> Ahhh.. thanks
[02:14] <pschulz01> Already newest version!
[02:15] <rdoogie> how can i run the archive manager with administration privledges?
[02:15] <bob2> pschulz01: so what in particular are you complaining about?
[02:15] <graabein> bob2, i've followed the guide. glxinfo gives me rendering: no. can you take a look at my conf/log files?
[02:15] <bob2> no
[02:15] <bob2> I bet you didn't follow it, tho
[02:15] <pschulz01> 1. Get the source (apt-get source fdclock)
[02:15] <pschulz01> 2. configure
[02:16] <pschulz01> 3. make
[02:16] <pschulz01> 4. error...fdclock.c:143: error: `stderr' undeclared (first use in this function)
[02:16] <bob2> well
[02:16] <pschulz01> Looks kind of fundamental to me :-]
[02:16] <bob2> tht would be a problem with you not reading debian/rules
[02:17] <bob2> and I assume you did install the build-dependencies?
[02:17] <bob2> graabein: bah, put them online somewhere
[02:17] <graabein> bob2, http://pastebin.com/279920
[02:17] <ikaro>  mojn
[02:18] <pschulz01> bob2: build-dep should do that for me.. yes?
[02:20] <bob2> pschulz01: if you ran it correctly and it installed things correctly, yes
[02:20] <bob2> graabein: you really followed the web page I told you about?
[02:20] <RTN> yo again.
[02:21] <pschulz01> bob2: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:21] <graabein> bob2, yep. sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx and sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:21] <RTN> i would like to thank anyone, and everybody. i have got a lot of help here and you have been so friendly.
[02:21] <RTN> can i make my usual income statement now=
[02:22] <bob2> pschulz01: and now run 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' in the source directory
[02:22] <pschulz01> bob2: running..
[02:23] <pschulz01> bob2: installing fakeroot
[02:24] <rdoogie> i want to install blender. all i need to do is extract it to a folder. how can i run the archive manager with administrative privledges?
[02:24] <pschulz01> bob2: slow machine.
[02:25] <Seveas> rdoogie, sudo archive-manager oslt, but it's better to extract is as a user and use sudo to move the folder to its final destination
[02:25] <bob2> rdoogie: er, blender is in ubuntu
[02:25] <Seveas> ah, even better :)
[02:25] <rdoogie> it is, i searched for it in synaptic and didn't see it
[02:26] <Seveas> rdoogie, it is in universe
[02:26] <Seveas> rdoogie, have you enabled universe?
[02:26] <rdoogie> i'm a complete noob
[02:26] <wonderer> greetings everyone
[02:26] <tanek> greetings
[02:26] <pschulz01> bob2: cheers... i'll see rdoogie's noob! and raise him a double-noob
[02:26] <mello> mornin' from texas
[02:26] <bob2> rdoogie: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[02:27] <Nechushtan> mdz: for the ide bug I submitted, should I do those commands with my modules workaround?
[02:27] <bob2> enable universe
[02:27] <rdoogie> k
 i think the nvidia installer has moved the libGL.so.1.2 from xlibmesa package to filename nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa
[02:27] <bob2> probably
[02:27] <pschulz01> bob2: are ubuntu packages generally built this way?
[02:27] <bob2> it has to divert it somewhere
[02:27] <bob2> pschulz01: yes
[02:28] <pschulz01> is there an easy way of creating a patch?
[02:28] <bob2> be more specific
[02:28] <tanek> how do i get dc running. dcgui sucks :P
[02:29] <tanek> crossover couldnt get dc++ running
[02:30] <graabein> bob2, looks like i have a dead link in /usr/lib/nvidia
[02:30] <pschulz01> bob2: I reported a bug in fdclock.. and was also going to have a better
[02:30] <pschulz01> look at it
[02:30] <wonderer> please tell me how can i make my computer connect to internet again: i have nforce2 network card - nvnet is not included on the kubuntu... the module i can get from nvidia is great but it wants kernel source, which is not included on the kubuntu... the one i can get from ubuntu ftp is 2.6.10-6 while i need 2.6.10-5.... doest that mean i have to recompile kernel? btw i have stfn so don't send me to google :)
[02:30] <wonderer> tanek try valknut
[02:30] <bob2> pschulz01: then make a backup of the tree before you modify it so you have something to diff against
[02:31] <Tweek888> Wonderer i have that card, and it died :\
[02:31] <wonderer> tanek: for direct connect network - http://dcgui.berlios.de/
[02:32] <RTN> i have full control over our network and IT administrator. somehow windows XP box just got delivered to our office, and he is just installing it right now...
[02:32] <RTN> how should i proceed...
[02:32] <RTN> it is no joke.
[02:33] <RTN> he is my friend and he is in a wheelchair.place dynamite?
[02:34] <RTN> actually,we both got the same managing director...
[02:34] <wonderer> please dear fellows don't make me reinstall suse - i like ubuntu's conception better - but it is impossisble to use this distro without an internet access
[02:34] <mello> hey guys, newb question: how do i change the color of my text in the channel in Xchat?
[02:34] <RTN> brb
[02:34] <graabein> bob2, can i remove xlibmesa packages?
[02:35] <bob2> graabein: I don't htink that's a good idea
[02:35] <bob2> wonderer: please don't be annoying like that
[02:35] <bob2> wonderer: use the forcedeth module with your silly nic
[02:35] <bob2> or buy a proper one
[02:35] <graabein> bob2, i think ubuntu.com has destroyed some symlinks
[02:37] <Tweek888> Mello settings -> preferences -> colors -> "foreground".
[02:37] <mello> which foreground
[02:38] <bob2> wonderer: -5 is the current kernel in hoary, anyway
[02:38] <mello> matching?
[02:38] <mello> markin
[02:38] <wonderer> bob2: thank you for your advice... still sudo modprobe forcedeth doest seem to fix the problem
[02:38] <Mongoose> What do i do in root terminal to install a tar.bz2 file?
[02:39] <bob2> wonderer: in what way?
[02:39] <R2D2_> Mongoose, tar xvjf <tar.bz2 file>
[02:39] <bob2> Mongoose: you don't, generally.  what is it?
[02:39] <Mongoose> How do I install file on ubuntu
[02:40] <xe||> you should use apt-get in general
[02:40] <xe||> what do you want to install?
[02:40] <kps> apparently 'file' :)
[02:40] <kps> maybe apt-get install file
[02:40] <IIIEars>  file-<IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:40] <Mongoose> a sound driver it is tar.bz2 format
[02:40] <graabein> kps, hi!
[02:40] <kps> hi there :)
[02:40] <siraj56> was good
[02:40] <xe||> ok, so it's no that "file" :-)
[02:41] <siraj56> wat
[02:41] <bob2> Mongoose: what driver?
[02:41] <kps> i have 'file' installed, but i have debian, not ubuntu
[02:41] <xe||> you should first check if it is available via apt-get, then as a .deb package
[02:41] <kps> ii  file           4.12-1         Determines file type using "magic" numbers
[02:41] <bob2> kps: then #debian
[02:41] <kps> bob2, i was just helping the guy out, not asking a question
[02:42] <bob2> ok
[02:42] <siraj56> hey hey talk english
[02:42] <bob2> Mongoose: please don't /msg me
[02:42] <kps> (i'm quite sure ubuntu has a 'file' package)
[02:42] <bob2> Mongoose: what card in particular is it?
[02:42] <Mongoose> realtek
[02:42] <kps> ok but i'll shut up now
[02:42] <siraj56> wat the hell
[02:42] <wonderer> bob2: i know the current kernel is -5 still this link gives only -6 sources ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kernel-source-2.6.10/
[02:42] <pschulz01> bob2: how should I submit a patch? (to whom?)
[02:42] <bob2> wonderer: yes, you're looking in the wrong place
[02:43] <bob2> wonderer: linux-source-2.6.10 is the package
[02:43] <bob2> Mongoose: no, what card in particular?
[02:43] <bob2> Mongoose: I'd be very surprised if ubuntu didn't include support for it already
[02:43] <bob2> pschulz01: attach it to the bug report
[02:43] <Mongoose> realtek 97
[02:44] <pschulz01> just run 'reportbug'?
[02:44] <bob2> Mongoose: then you don't need to install anything else
[02:44] <Mongoose> but what format is files usauly
[02:44] <bob2> pschulz01: no, you follow up to the existing bug on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:44] <siraj56> hey hi greetings slutations
[02:44] <bob2> pschulz01: or malone if it's a universe package
[02:44] <andrea> hi!!
[02:44] <andrea> i need a hand..
[02:44] <xe||> mongoose: usually, programs for ubuntu/debian aren't distributed in files
[02:45] <Mongoose> thank you BOB2
[02:45] <andrea> i've just added the following line to the /etc/fstab file..
[02:45] <xe||> mongoose: you install them via apt-get install <package name>
[02:45] <pschulz01> bob2: malone? malone.ubuntu.com?
[02:45] <wonderer> bob2: i thought i just get the *_all.deb and then dpkg - i kernel-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-6_all.deb tell me where i can get a basic howto on the topic or at least tell me what to search for - i have found at least 4 simular problems in forums yet they all are unanwered.
[02:45] <andrea> /dev/hda1 /media/winxp/ ntfs umask=0777 0 0
[02:45] <bob2> pschulz01: launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/
[02:45] <ftpserver> thats illegal
[02:45] <Mongoose> where do you get atp-get?
[02:45] <andrea> !?
[02:45] <ftpserver> hi
[02:45] <bob2> ftpserver: please don't be annoying
[02:45] <xe||> mongoose: it's already installed
[02:45] <kps> Mongoose, it is 'apt-get'
[02:46] <Mongoose> Where is it on ubuntu
[02:46] <andrea> but the permissions are set to other values
[02:46] <bob2> Mongoose: /usr/bin/apt-get
[02:46] <xe||> mongoose: just type it in the shell
[02:46] <andrea> someone could help me?
[02:47] <no0b> how do i install .deb files?
[02:47] <xe||> dpkg -i <filename>
[02:47] <no0b> thanks
[02:47] <Aemaeth> evening
[02:47] <andrea> -___^
[02:47] <Aemaeth> im curious, does ubuntu handle things like esd over oss out of the box?
[02:47] <andrea> ehi?!
[02:47] <SiRrUs> morning Aemaeth :)
[02:47] <bob2> andrea: you need to ask a question first...
[02:48] <bob2> Aemaeth: mostly
[02:48] <Aemaeth> mostly?
[02:48] <bob2> Aemaeth: it's all crap until everything uses alsa and dmix, tho
[02:48] <bob2> mostly.
[02:48] <reed> hi all
[02:48] <Aemaeth> yay
[02:48] <andrea> ok
[02:48] <Aemaeth> thats what mainly bothers me about linux :(
[02:48] <Aemaeth> amount of work needed after install
[02:48] <reed> does any of you successfully synced a usb palm with hoary?
[02:49] <andrea> i've modified the /etc/fstab file in order to remount a partition at boot time
[02:49] <andrea> adding this line: /dev/hda1 /media/winxp/ ntfs umask=0777 0 0
[02:49] <bob2> Mongoose: please stop /msg'ing me
[02:49] <Aemaeth> so what makes ubuntu so user friendly over debian?
[02:49] <bob2> Mongoose: please?
[02:49] <andrea> but when i execute mount -a
[02:49] <bob2> Aemaeth: read the website and try it
[02:49] <gundam1> exit
[02:49] <andrea> and i try to watch the permission of the winxp directory
[02:50] <Aemaeth> reading the website at the moment, not much in terms of detail
[02:50] <xe||> aemath: the packages aren't as old as in woody
[02:50] <Aemaeth> its very much gloss overview
[02:50] <bob2> yes
[02:50] <andrea> permissions are different
[02:50] <bob2> so try it and see
[02:50] <Aemaeth> its alot of effort to repartition etc, so this is why im doing a bit of research
[02:50] <reed> andrea: try to write on one line: it is better for comprehension :)
[02:50] <xe||> Aemaeth: the debian release cycle is just too slow to use it as a desktop system
[02:50] <bob2> no, it's not
[02:51] <andrea> ok :)
[02:51] <bob2> and uninformed debian trolling is off-topic
[02:51] <Aemaeth> hrm
[02:51] <Aemaeth> im just curious what the major differences between ubuntu and debian really are
[02:52] <andrea> so can you help me bob2?
[02:52] <Aemaeth> also, does ubuntu make a decent gaming platform with cedega etc?
[02:52] <reed> Aemaeth: already asked google?
[02:52] <xe||> of course there are ways to keep debian up to date, but they are way too difficult for beginners imo
[02:52] <IIIEars> sudo, sudo, and of course sudo?
[02:52] <Aemaeth> i have reed, not much that i personally found of use
[02:52] <reed> Aemaeth: good gaming platforms are psx2 and xbox
[02:52] <bob2> Aemaeth: just try it
[02:52] <bob2> telling you about it is not going to convince y
[02:52] <Aemaeth>  /me sighs
[02:52] <bob2> ou
[02:52] <bob2> andrea: I don't know what your problem is
[02:53] <Aemaeth> if this is the sort of community that produces it, im not sure i want to try it
[02:53] <Aemaeth> but neway
[02:53] <reed> andrea: show a line of output ls -la /media/xp
[02:53] <bob2> lordy
[02:53] <bob2> what do you want?
[02:53] <reed> Aemaeth: amen
[02:53] <Mongoose> Please tell me step for step how to install .tar files
[02:53] <bob2> 385 rabid fans telling you why it's awesome?
[02:53] <bob2> Mongoose: what are you trying to install?
[02:53] <reed> Mongoose: already asked google?
[02:54] <Aemaeth> i just want a quick answer to what are the main differences, and what are peoples personal experiances with games on it
[02:54] <Aemaeth> nothing indepth
[02:54] <Mongoose> yes i did ask google.co.za
[02:54] <bob2> Mongoose: you need to be more specific.  what are you trying to do?
[02:54] <andrea> reed: i can't show you the output.. it's too big
[02:54] <reed> Aemaeth: ubuntu community cares about free software, not much non-free games
[02:54] <reed> andrea: http://pastebin.org
[02:54] <pschulz01> Aemaeth: the main difference (as I see it) is packaging and release policies.
[02:55] <kps> what about free games ?
[02:55] <RTN> whoaaa....!!!
[02:55] <bob2> Aemaeth: the main difference is 6 month release cycle, and saner defaults.
[02:55] <Mongoose> install a file "azx-022205.tar.bz2"
[02:55] <andrea> but it's simply the content of an NTFS partition !!
[02:55] <Aemaeth> how is packaging different?
[02:55] <bob2> if you want more details, you have to use it.
[02:55] <reed> kps: wesnoth is cool :)
[02:55] <RTN> is that a sort of thank-you?
[02:55] <bob2> Aemaeth: it's not different
[02:55] <RTN> http://peedu.tumbleweeds.ee/bob.png
[02:55] <bob2> Mongoose: what is it
[02:55] <bob2> ?
[02:55] <kps> reed, yeah i gotta try that some time
[02:55] <reed> andrea: what are the permssions then? summarize what you see
[02:55] <pschulz01> Aemaeth: sorry.. more what is packages.. eg. free (as in speech) stuff.
[02:55] <andrea> my problem is that the permission of the /media/xp folder isn't set to 0777
[02:56] <Aemaeth> hrm
[02:56] <reed> kps: I have installed it yesterday, I have done the first tutorial :)
[02:56] <xwing> hi
[02:56] <reed> andrea: man umask
[02:56] <kps> reed, ok great :)
[02:56] <IIIEars> << Going to stick with linux until i am old and grey or  ubuntu rules the world. - muhahahaha!  (er ahem - am i a rabid believer or what - lol)
[02:56] <reed> andrea: I guessed right that you don't know what umask is
[02:56] <kps> reed, i have to shamelessly advertice http://xpilot.sf.net/ (been working a bit on programming a new version of the old game xpilot)
[02:57] <pschulz01> Aemaeth: Debian has been much more rigid in it's policy.
[02:57] <xwing> can someone help me with getting either the gnome (currently on) or kde to have more than 640x480/320x240 resolutions
[02:57] <andrea> yes i know
[02:57] <andrea> ...... but i realized now that i'm an idiot... :)
[02:57] <Mongoose> it is a driver with lot of files
[02:57] <reed> kps: going to check ... is it packaged on hoary?
[02:57] <bob2> Mongoose: a driver for what?
[02:57] <kps> no
[02:57] <Mongoose> sound
[02:57] <xe||> Mongoose: where did you download it?
[02:57] <andrea> i thought that the umask in the fstab file refers to the folder, not to the nested files.. eheh :)
[02:57] <bob2> Mongoose: are you sure ubuntu doesn't include a driver for your sound card?
[02:58] <kps> there is a guy who made a debian package of xpilot ng 4.6.6, but there is none for the latest version 4.7.1
[02:58] <Mongoose> realtek.com.tw
[02:58] <reed> andrea: there is no such thing as a folder! it is a directory
[02:58] <reed> :)
[02:58] <Aemaeth> ah well, ill have a bash at it 2morrow
[02:58] <Aemaeth> bad pun, i know
[02:58] <Mongoose> I have sound now after reinstalling ubuntu
[02:58] <RTN> i really believe, that ubuntu has support for all the soundcards that have not been stolen from the museum.
[02:58] <IIIEars> any help for the new user with display trouble - heard that question once or twice before.
[02:58] <Aemaeth> but yes, hopefully ill like it more than mdk
[02:59] <bob2> IIIEars: you need to ask a specific question
[02:59] <reed> andrea: nope, umask is a different thing.  Study Unix, it is helpful
[02:59] <ptlo> in hoary, if i want to force gnome to use specific application for a particular file type, how do i do that? opening with "open with" doesn't set/change the default app, and the dialog that was used to change this in earlier gnome versions is no longer present in 2.10
[03:00] <IIIEars> just saw a question about ubuntu "safe display res of 640x480" i would guess that he would like more lines.
[03:01] <Tomcat_> ptlo: Properties of the file, change it there
[03:01] <Tomcat_> ptlo: There's a tab "Open With".
[03:01] <ptlo> ohh
[03:01] <ptlo> thanks :)
[03:01] <IIIEars> xwing are you still there? - i got lucky trying this ctrl+alt + Plus sign
[03:03] <graabein> anyone besides bob2 can help me with nvidia card setup??
[03:03] <blueyed> Is there a command to list all available users/groups?
[03:03] <graabein> :)
[03:04] <graabein> try /list
[03:04] <blueyed> graabein, I mean with bash.. :)
[03:04] <bob2> graabein: probably best to ask in the user list
[03:04] <graabein> hehe
[03:04] <bob2> blueyed: not really
[03:05] <bob2> blueyed: aside from cat /etc/passwd
[03:05] <blueyed> ok. and /etc/group.. thanks, bob2.
[03:06] <Aemaeth> OoOoO, one more very important question. does/can ubuntu support multiple and/or composite monitors?
[03:06] <Aemaeth> im thinking it uses zorg ?
[03:06] <Aemaeth> xorg*
[03:06] <srn> yes it does
[03:07] <blueyed> no, b0rg.. ;)
[03:07] <srn> if you apply correct drivers for your gfx card
[03:07] <Aemaeth> easily, or with pain and blood? :P cos ive found its plain and blood with mdk so far
[03:07] <kps> heh graabein you don't approve of my methods ? :)
[03:07] <reed> kps: tried xpilot, need to hack the keyboard mapping
[03:07] <Seveas> Aemaeth, fairly easy, but not without any effort
[03:08] <Aemaeth> i cant seem to get mdk drivers to compile on mdk, not sure why. hopefully ubuntu will like them :)
[03:08] <srn> im having a problem .. when booting all usb power dissapears .. my mouse turns off .. everything else works fine, except for the usb ..
[03:08] <bob2> er
[03:08] <bob2> what drivers would you need to compile?
[03:08] <graabein> kps, hehe guess im a wuss as well as a newbie
[03:08] <reed> Aemaeth: what drivers?
[03:08] <Aemaeth> Seveas, i figured, i was just curios if it was really technical as is on some flavours
[03:08] <Aemaeth> radeon 9600 ones
[03:09] <Seveas> Aemaeth, ubuntu has good precompiled ones
[03:09] <Aemaeth> thats good
[03:09] <Aemaeth> are the manufacturer ones worth an upgrade?
[03:09] <Seveas> Aemaeth, install the linux-686 package (if on 686, there's also linux-k7 for amd)
[03:09] <bob2> no
[03:09] <Aemaeth> k
[03:09] <kps> reed, i usually just 'xev' program to figure out names of keyboard keys and then put those in the config file
[03:10] <Aemaeth> just so i know its possible. multiple monitors are a big need of mine
[03:10] <Aemaeth> im addicted
[03:10] <reed> kps: will get back to it later, now I need to solve Bug 10393 myself
[03:12] <kps> reed, where can i see what that is ?
[03:12] <reed> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10393
[03:12] <linforcer> hey, can anyone tell me where I can change what keymap ubuntu loads at boot?
[03:12] <reed> linforcer: for gnome or shell?
[03:12] <linforcer> reed shell
[03:13] <kps> reed, ok have fun
[03:13] <linforcer> as I switched to dvorak and
[03:14] <reed> linforcer: sorry, no help there... I know to use loadkeys to change them, but I don't remember on top of my head how to set it permanently
[03:14] <Fahim> can somebody tell me the command for deleting a folder???
[03:14] <linforcer> yeah I know that too >.>
[03:14] <linforcer> rm ?
[03:14] <reed> Fahim: they are called directories
[03:14] <Tomcat_> Fahim: rmdir
[03:15] <Fahim> thx
[03:15] <reed> Fahim: rm -r .... rmdir works only if the dir is empty
[03:15] <bob2> I'd use the list before the forums
[03:15] <bob2> a long way before the forums
[03:16] <Fahim> rm -r doesn't work
[03:16] <fsapo> anyone knows a good bittorrent client instead of azureus? they just fucked with azureus in this last update
[03:16] <Fahim> console doesn't know that command
[03:16] <bob2> Fahim: yes it doe
[03:18] <linforcer> fsapo , isn't gnome bittorrent sufficient?
[03:21] <fsapo> linforcer, i want something to choose files to download.. and some more options
[03:21] <Mr_Milenko> this is hilarious..
[03:21] <linforcer> fsapo, I see
[03:21] <Mr_Milenko> discotux.. headbanging to some Insane Clown Posse
[03:21] <Mr_Milenko> rofl
[03:21] <xwing> can someone help me with configuring kubuntu for my monitor/video card this 640x480/320x240 only sucks
[03:21] <bob2> try #kubuntu
[03:22] <linforcer> fsapo , I dont know then, Im still running the old azureus :P
[03:22] <Mr_Milenko> i notice on azureus website.. you cant download new az
[03:22] <Mr_Milenko> o.O
[03:22] <fsapo> linforcer, i think i m gonna search for the old one and reinstall it
[03:22] <Mr_Milenko> brb
[03:23] <linforcer> fsapo, good luck
[03:23] <fsapo> linforcer, thanx
[03:24] <Mr_Milenko> <(^_^<)
[03:24] <Mr_Milenko> does anyone know a good "GUI" for wine or cedega?
[03:24] <Mr_Milenko> soemthing that makes it simple to point click and install
[03:25] <Myrtti> ok, I really need some help now
[03:25] <bob2> what would it do?
[03:25] <Mr_Milenko> i mean for applications.. kinda like somethin to "emulate the windows start menu"
[03:25] <Mr_Milenko> so i can just click a list and run an application
[03:25] <jfk303> I've just been given an i-pod photo thingy, has anyoneg ot one working with ubuntu, if so how do I use it? thanks
[03:26] <bob2> gtkpod.
[03:26] <Myrtti> I put the system back on the UTF-8-state, but I'd like my gnome-terminal to be in that state too
[03:26] <jfk303> bob2, whats that?
[03:26] <Myrtti> it gets these wacky ANSI-locales from somewhere
[03:27] <jfk303> is there some nice easy drag and drop software?
[03:27] <bob2> why don't you have a look?
[03:27] <Gianmaria> Hi guys
[03:27] <jfk303> bob2, ok thanks...
[03:28] <Gianmaria> I want to install Ubuntu on a laptop wit pcmcia ethernet card, no cdrom drive but there's a floppy drive at least, any suggestions?
[03:29] <fsapo> linforcer, installed "qtorrent" here... it hasnt many options... but its "flying" O_O twiece the azureus speed
[03:29] <linforcer> neat :O
[03:29] <Mr_Milenko> Gianmaria: i dunno.. couldn't you use a debian bootfloppie install and turn the system into Ubuntu from Debian?
[03:29] <Mr_Milenko> just a dumb suggestion :P
[03:30] <graabein> jfk303, http://gtkpod.sourceforge.net/
[03:30] <Gianmaria> Mr_Milenko: I don't know about that, it seems to be that's a not a clean install...
[03:30] <Xappe> Gianmaria: or maybe this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29555
[03:30] <Mr_Milenko> hmm
[03:31] <Mr_Milenko> i tried :(
[03:31] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:31] <reed> Gianmaria: do you have enough ram and processor speed?
[03:31] <linforcer> wow download.com started kicking off all software w/ spy or adware
[03:31] <Gianmaria> reed: yeah
[03:31] <linforcer> about time
[03:32] <Mr_Milenko> not like it matters anymore
[03:32] <Mr_Milenko> there will ALWAYS be software with spy/adware
[03:32] <linforcer> true
[03:33] <Mr_Milenko> lol.. microsofts anti-spyware app sees Firfox as a "Exploitable Application"
[03:33] <Mr_Milenko> rpf;
[03:33] <Mr_Milenko> rofl*
[03:33] <linforcer> good thing not much of it is Linux (yet)
[03:33] <linforcer> hahaha
[03:34] <linforcer> blech *kicks google*
[03:35] <Gianmaria> Xappe: thanks dude, it seems to be surfing up
[03:35] <Rydekull> Mr_Milenko: yeah, and you dont think that one is quite... rigged?
[03:35] <linforcer> I wish those bastards would port Picasa to Linux
[03:35] <Mr_Milenko> of course its rigged
[03:35] <orhs> hey all
[03:35] <Mr_Milenko> its microsoft.. they dont want "free software" on there OS
[03:36] <Mr_Milenko> ahem.. Opensource
[03:36] <Gianmaria> reed: what's about my ram size, were you thinking about some way to install?
[03:36] <Xappe> Gianmaria: please tell if it works out, can be good to know... :)
[03:36] <linforcer> so how about that ReactOS?
[03:37] <Mr_Milenko> there portin it to xbox
[03:37] <Mr_Milenko> and i heard "RUMORS" that people who work on Xebian (Eds Debian) are gonna try portin Ubuntu to Xbox
[03:38] <reed> Gianmaria: I don't know if ubuntu's installer support net install. that could be a chance
[03:39] <reed> Gianmaria: I have asked about ram and processor because people often try installing ubunty on oooooooold computers and that is a big NoNo
[03:39] <linforcer> I only have a Gamecube :(
[03:40] <Aemaeth> reed, why is installing ubunty on old putas a bad idea?
[03:40] <Mr_Milenko> reed: check this out <g>
[03:40] <Mr_Milenko> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary Kernel: 2.6.10-5-686, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[03:40] <Mr_Milenko> ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: Celeron (Mendocino Speed: 399.205 MHz Cache: 128 KB ]  | RAM Usage: 194/321M [|||||||||||]  ( 60.4% ) | [ HD Model: WDC WD80EB-28CGH1 Size: 87G with 75G Free ( 86.2% ) ]  | Number of process: 158
[03:40] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:40] <linforcer> Installing Ubuntu on old pcs should be no prob: just remove GNOME and install Fluxbox :P
[03:40] <reed> Mr_Milenko: old I mean old
[03:40] <linforcer> 386?
[03:40] <Mr_Milenko> eh.. mines old enough
[03:40] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:41] <reed> like pII
[03:41] <abbot45> i need a program than can convert audio formats.  like .m4a > .mp3
[03:41] <Mr_Milenko> I had 386 kernel.. but put 686 on to see if itd work
[03:41] <linforcer> p2 w/ fluxbox runs ok
[03:41] <Mr_Milenko> and it did o.O
[03:41] <Aemaeth> does ubuntu hoary come with the latest gnome etc?
[03:41] <xMaximex> xandros runs on a xbos
[03:41] <xMaximex> xbox
[03:41] <Mr_Milenko> i have gentoo on mine
[03:41] <Mr_Milenko> :)
[03:42] <linforcer> gentoo rawks
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> and some.. not so legal applications..
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> o.o
[03:42] <linforcer> wish I had it
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> i cant help it.. XBMC is beutifull
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:42] <Gianmaria> linux was born to kick ass to big pcs, I know networks built upon 500mhz boxes...linux rules, period
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> I even have windows running on my xbox
[03:42] <linforcer> >.>
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> XDSL (Xbox Damn Small Windows) with qemu running windows 98
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> :P
[03:43] <linforcer> haha
[03:43] <linforcer> leet
[03:43] <Mr_Milenko> thats how i got familiar with linux.. i started playing with linux when mandrake 7 came out
[03:43] <Mr_Milenko> off and on with different distros.. always went back to windows
[03:44] <Aemaeth> i started with redhat 7.3
[03:44] <Aemaeth> icky
[03:44] <linforcer> My dad was downloading FreeBSD back when we had dial-up O.o
[03:44] <SeeThat> hey
[03:44] <SeeThat> I need a little help on c++
[03:44] <balor> Anyone having DRI problems with todays Breezy?
[03:44] <SeeThat> I have opened a file with ifstream input1
[03:44] <Mr_Milenko> i dont understand why people bash windows so much.. its a good OS.. its devs just suck
[03:44] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:44] <linforcer> Then he got SuSE from work
[03:44] <Mr_Milenko> i heard SuSe is quite nice
[03:45] <SeeThat> and now I create another object ifstream input2 and I want input2 to start reading from the same location where input1 left
[03:45] <SeeThat> can I do that ?
[03:45] <Mr_Milenko> dunno.. only distro i've used for more then 2 months is ubuntu
[03:45] <Mr_Milenko> i like it :)
[03:45] <linforcer> the fool uses Novell Linux desktop now
[03:45] <camcorder> Mr_Milenko :wondering what's better of windows than linux?
[03:45] <tanek> are there any workin valknut .debs?
[03:45] <linforcer> SuSE, nah
[03:45] <fsapo> hi.. my desktop icons just dissapeared.. what can i do to show then withou restarting the x server?
[03:45] <Mr_Milenko> theres alot of stuff that can be better for everyday use on Linux
[03:46] <claude> ifstream.duplicate
[03:46] <linforcer> anything without ap-get, emerge, or similar = nono in my book
[03:46] <Mr_Milenko> but video is better on windows or mac and will be in the close future.. as well as gaming
[03:46] <camcorder> Mr_Milenko: video is better? i get alot better performance from my nvidia cards then windows
[03:46] <linforcer> I dont game on my pc
[03:46] <Mr_Milenko> i mean encoding
[03:47] <Mr_Milenko> and editing
[03:47] <sparkling> hi all
[03:47] <linforcer> thats what my cube is for
[03:47] <camcorder> and for gaming,, well it's not windows plus, it's all the third party applications
[03:47] <sparkling> is there someone use gdesklets and starterbar (like macsx dock)
[03:47] <camcorder> yeah exactly, usign pc for games is waste of resource, console are better
[03:47] <linforcer> sparkling me
[03:47] <Mr_Milenko> nope.. i dissagree
[03:47] <camcorder> and for those strategy games, they mostly work on linux too
[03:47] <Mr_Milenko> consoles suck with shooters
[03:47] <SeeThat> claude: ifstream.duplicate you mean ifstream input2.duplicate = input1
[03:47] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:47] <SeeThat> or what ?
[03:47] <SeeThat> how to write it
[03:48] <Mr_Milenko> keyboard/mouse > joypad
[03:48] <sparkling> linforcer, ok i've installer now ubuntu, then with apt-get in've installed gdesklets and gdesklets-data
[03:48] <sparkling> installed*
[03:48] <sparkling> i've opend gdesklets window then i've double click on starterbar then i've placed the bar on desktop
[03:48] <camcorder> Mr_Milenko: it's because you used to them, i know lots of talented games that use joypad like hell ;)
[03:48] <sparkling> is it right until now?
[03:48] <something_else> ok,  think I kinda effed up my /etc/hosts
[03:48] <claude> IIRC ifstream *input2
[03:48] <Mr_Milenko> camcorder: im a console nerd ;)
[03:48] <something_else> heres the problem
[03:49] <Mr_Milenko> i dont play games on my pc.. but its a fact Shooters should stay on PC's lol
[03:49] <claude> input1.duplicate(*input2);
[03:49] <linforcer> should be
[03:49] <something_else> load gnome, if no network, seems to take ages
[03:49] <linforcer> sparkling hold on
[03:49] <camcorder> Mr_Milenko: considering shooters rlsed on pc alot earlier than console, it's hard to claim you are not used to mouse + keyboard
[03:49] <SeeThat> claude: can you be more elaborative
[03:49] <SeeThat> I can't get you
[03:49] <something_else> if network available, complains about lack of hostname in /etc/hosts
[03:49] <something_else> so I add my hostname to /etc/hosts
[03:50] <something_else> using IP followed by hostname
[03:50] <Tizzy> anyone know how to enable the screensaver (permanently) when looged in as root???
[03:50] <linforcer> sparkling: just switched keyboards I should type faster now
[03:50] <sparkling> well now when i try to add a new button to bar i obtain an error
[03:50] <linforcer> sparkling: I am still getting used to dvorak, you see
[03:50] <sparkling> and no button add
[03:50] <something_else> so err still no result
[03:50] <linforcer> sparkling: I had lots of errors with gdesklets when I had the data package installed
[03:51] <something_else> I get internet connection after lots of playing about with iwconfig ...
[03:51] <linforcer> sparkling: then I reinstalled without the data package and all was well
[03:51] <something_else> and even then its slow
[03:51] <balor> Is there an ubuntu development channel?
[03:51] <Mr_Milenko> only good shooter for a console is Halo
[03:51] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:51] <linforcer> sparkling try that first
[03:51] <sparkling> ok
[03:51] <sparkling> i try
[03:51] <something_else> no one?
[03:51] <something_else> okey doke
[03:52] <claude> you have to declare a pointer to a ifstream datatype (input2) and then instanciate the copy with the duplicate function of the object ifstream
[03:52] <sparkling> linforcer, i've installed only gdesklets, now where i can get starterbar?
[03:52] <linforcer> sparkling lemme look up the link
[03:53] <sparkling> ok
[03:53] <mlh> balor, #ubuntu-devel
[03:54] <camcorder> well, I believe that it's applications that makes computer 'usable' not os. and any platform that let good applications exist will rule
[03:54] <camcorder> windows catched that flow in past, and not linux is catching it
[03:54] <camcorder> s/not/now
[03:54] <balor> mlh: thanks
[03:55] <camcorder> the battle will actually begin when longhorn relased
[03:55] <camcorder> when xp released, linux desktop really unable to compete and ugly as hell
[03:56] <dark_horse> I dont get midi to work, kmid reports could not open /dev/sequencer
[03:56] <camcorder> and today everyone is already developed applications for xp, and no need to switch,they have already paid their licences
[03:56] <sparkling> linforcer, i've found it now it works all perfectly
[03:56] <sparkling> :D
[03:56] <sparkling> gdesklets-data suks... :|
[03:56] <Xappe> sparkling, link?
[03:57] <linforcer_> sparkling did you get the adress before my connection failed?
[03:57] <camcorder> MS can't lost all those application base, if they do then they will offer nothing new to nobody, and ppl most probably consider linux that time
[03:57] <sparkling> yes
[03:57] <jfk303> hi, my ipod has never been used, will I have to use it with itunes to configure it before I can use it with gtkpod
[03:57] <linforcer_> allright
[03:57] <sparkling> gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org
[03:57] <Xappe> sparkling, thnx
[03:58] <tanek> nr man trodde att musiken inte kunde bli smre...
[03:58] <tanek> outstanding!
[03:58] <linforcer_> >.>
[03:58] <linforcer_> norks? finsk? svensk?
[03:59] <linforcer_> sk*
[03:59] <dark_horse> has anyone made kmid to work with hoary?
[03:59] <sparkling> nope
[03:59] <linforcer_> sparkling: work now?
[03:59] <dark_horse> ...with some other sequencer
[03:59] <sparkling> yes
[04:00] <sparkling> perfectly
[04:00] <dusselmann> anybody from germany on?
[04:00] <balor> Anyone seen this error with and i865 agpgart before "[drm:drm_fill_in_dev]  *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module."?
[04:00] <sparkling> gdesklets-data are a malware :(
[04:00] <linforcer_> dusselman, no, but I speak basic german xD
[04:00] <linforcer_> dusselman (VERY basic)
[04:01] <dusselmann> that's no problem.. :) i'm a linux newbie and just need some help
[04:01] <tanek> BRA MUSIK PLZ
[04:01] <linforcer_> dusselmann I think there is a german ubuntu channel too
[04:02] <linforcer_> anybody know what it's called ?? ubuntu-de?
[04:03] <linforcer_> >.>
[04:06] <da_didi> hi
[04:06] <da_didi> my sound card is listed in "aplay -l" but i don't hear anything and it is not muted and the volume is checked and so..
[04:06] <da_didi> any idea?
[04:07] <Tizzy> does anyone know where the screensaver demon is started from???
[04:08] <linforcer_> dusselman opic for #ubuntu-de is Freundlicher deutscher ubuntuchannel
[04:08] <linforcer_> ;)
[04:08] <dusselmann> linforcer_ thx :)
[04:08] <linforcer_> duseelman np
[04:08] <linforcer_> dusselman np
[04:14] <dcraven> Tizzy: If you are trying to disable it, you can do it from System, Preferences, Screensaver I believe.
[04:20] <dcraven> I need opinions for an app idea I have.. Maybe the app already exists, I dunno.
[04:20] <Aemaeth> night all, sleep time! (amsg)
[04:20] <dcraven> Later Aemaeth
[04:21] <quiet> hey, if i install 4.10 can I 'apt-get dist-upgrade' to 5.10??
[04:21] <dcraven> quiet: To breezy? You can, but I'd suggest Hoary for the time being.
[04:21] <quiet> or.. 5.04 e ven...
[04:22] <quiet> i meant 5.04
[04:22] <dcraven> quiet: Then yes.
[04:22] <quiet> change anything in apt sources.list??
[04:22] <bhearsum> i uninstalled hotplug and now neither of my wireless cards work, even when i load the modules manually.
[04:22] <dcraven> quiet: You need to change instances of "warty" to "hoary".
[04:22] <kvidell> quiet: :%s/warty/hoary/g in apt sources.list
[04:23] <quiet> ok cool thank
[04:23] <quiet> thanks
[04:23] <merriam> dcraven: what app idea?
[04:24] <shmoolik> hello :)
[04:24] <kvidell> dcraven: just out of curiosity. If I were running debian stable, could I just change the apt/sources.list to reflect all the proper repositories for hoary and upgrade?
[04:24] <kvidell> since debian stable's all old packages anyway, it'd all get upgraded.
[04:24] <shmoolik> i have a problem with aptget update i get this error got few days Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/universe/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[04:24] <dcraven> merriam: It would be a personal wiki.. An applet that when clicked popped up a little browser that displayed the wiki pages. The same window would allow you to edit it etc.. Maybe a tree to navigate easily etc.
[04:25] <dcraven> kvidell: I did that from sid on one of my machines.
[04:25] <merriam> dcraven: I know two somewhat like that.
[04:25] <dcraven> merriam: Ahh.. What are their names?
[04:26] <kvidell> hm.. interesting. :) Thanks. (I'm running breezy on this laptop but have a few deb boxes that could use a facelift)
[04:26] <merriam> one is http://repose.cx/emacs/wiki/
[04:26] <dcraven> merriam: I'm not talkin' about things like Tomboy either. I'm not a fan of that.
[04:26] <merriam> ok.  The other was tomboy. :)
[04:27] <dcraven> merriam: I'm talking about embedding the gecko widget in the browser. Like an actual wiki. The app would include a simple webserver, localhost only probably.
[04:27] <b0ol_> hey i got a question : i use an amd processor
[04:27] <b0ol_> but i have an -386 kernel!?
[04:28] <b0ol_> why not k7 ?
[04:28] <b0ol_> Oo.
[04:28] <dcraven> merriam: And it wouldn't require emacs :)
[04:29] <dcraven> b0ol_: 386 is kindof a catchall, safe choice to install by default.
[04:29] <Dark3Lite> after a while my lock screen just does not work..
[04:29] <Dark3Lite> wonder why..
[04:29] <b0ol_> but i have k7 :<
[04:29] <dcraven> merriam: You think that would be useful?
[04:30] <anto9us> b0ol: you can upgrade your kernel
[04:30] <dcraven> merriam: Well.. Doesn't really matter much. I'd use it :)
[04:30] <b0ol> hm...  i think i'll do that
[04:30] <b0ol> :>
[04:30] <karljp> useful tidbit: uncomment the loading of /etc/bash_completion from your .bashrc
[04:30] <merriam> dcraven: so a dedicated gecko-based browser and an httpd with a wiki?
[04:30] <b0ol> first i compile a new one
[04:30] <b0ol> cya
[04:30] <b0ol> :)
[04:30] <karljp> enjoy the love, have cd only complete directories
[04:30] <anto9us> b0ol: there may me one already compiled
[04:31] <dcraven> merriam: Well yeah, but but simplified you see... And the "browser" would not be a typical browser. It would be specialized.
[04:31] <icon> I'm surprised to see that my Intuos tablet is somewhat working right off the bat.
[04:31] <dcraven> merriam: I understand the same can be done with apache and firefox :)
[04:32] <merriam> dcraven: It could be useful to bind the three more tightly, so that they work like emacs-wiki and tomboy...
[04:32] <anto9us> welcome to the world of ubuntu icon :)
[04:32] <elektrolyytti> i cant get wammu to work on ubuntu (its gammu GUI, http://www.cihar.com/gammu/wammu/) has anyone tried this on ubuntu?
[04:32] <icon> though I wonder if there's better support for it. (thanks anto + milenko)
[04:32] <b0ol> hm... i downloaded the whole linux-source stuff but i cant find it in /usr/src/
[04:33] <icon> other than that -- all is well. :)
[04:34] <elektrolyytti> Does anyone know good utility to to connect to phone with bluetooth?
[04:35] <b0ol> icon:
[04:35] <b0ol> go to mixer and change source to alsa
[04:35] <b0ol> --> terminal alsa-mixer
[04:35] <b0ol> or something like this
[04:36] <anto9us> elektrolyytti: I haven't used it myself but gnokii may do what you want
[04:37] <elektrolyytti> anto9us: does it work with nokia?
[04:37] <exalted> Any Development Environment for GNOME?
[04:37] <merriam> dcraven: would you use existing wiki software?
[04:37] <icon> thanks... trying to get it to like alsa. Thanks bOol.. I'll let you know how it goes
[04:37] <anto9us> elektrolyytti: yes
[04:37] <elektrolyytti> anto9us: ok, ty ill check
[04:37] <karljp> wikitastic, if only they weren't so piggy to set up
[04:39] <dcraven> merriam: Hmm.. Unsure. Depends on if there were one that could integrate well enough and that I liked the syntax of :)
[04:39] <karljp> what are you using now dc?
[04:40] <dcraven> merriam: There was a proof of concept made called WebNotes written in mono, but it was just some stuff slapped together (it used didiwiki), and the author has no interest in staying with it. That's where I got the idea from.
[04:41] <merriam> dcraven: Would you use mono?
[04:41] <dcraven> merriam: I'd use Python.
[04:41] <davyd_> THEY DRINK IT IN THE CONGO!
[04:41] <davyd_> ahem.
[04:41] <merriam> twisted?
[04:41] <davyd_> anyone setup xorg on a i915 chipset?
[04:41] <dcraven> merriam: I dunno.. I'd likely avoid it, but possibly.
[04:42] <dcraven> merriam: I'm not sure I'd need it.
[04:42] <anto9us> davyd_: have you ever been to the congo?
[04:42] <davyd_> does it matter?
[04:43] <anto9us> davyd_: yes, how do you know what they drink there?
[04:43] <davyd_> I heard it on lugradio
[04:44] <anto9us> davyd_: :)
[04:44] <anto9us> davyd_: have you looked at the hardware list on the ubuntu wiki?
[04:46] <Exposure> Can I force certain packages not to be installed? For instance swat is included when i install samba
[04:47] <icon> how does one log into root on their ubuntu to configure their system set up?
[04:48] <Exposure> icon: sudo passwd root
[04:48] <davyd_> anto9us: ah, the trick is to use vesa and not i810
[04:48] <Exposure> and after that 'su -'
[04:49] <balor> Is there any way to roll back from Breezy to Hoary?
[04:49] <dazzed> does ubuntu have a package for a bunch of man pages including strftime
[04:49] <petemc> manpages-dev
[04:50] <dazzed> thanks
[04:51] <T_Trainer> balor, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DowngradingFromHoaryHowTo might help
[04:51] <balor> T_Trainer, thanks
[04:51] <dcraven> merriam: Something like this is what I'm thinking, except the Home/Changes/New/Help etc would be gtk widgets --> http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/Screenshot-Newton.png
[04:54] <Sauron21> hi....is there anyway to find out the ip of people on msn?.....
[04:55] <anto9us> dcraven: have you seen python card?
[04:55] <dcraven> merriam: The edit screen -->  http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/Screenshot-Newton-1.png
[04:56] <dcraven> anto9us: I think I have before.. But I forget. I'll check it out.
[04:57] <anto9us> dcraven: I think it can do all that you describe and more, easily.
[04:57] <aasitus> I'm trying to install e17 by downloading the .debs from mirror.my-space.ath.cx/etc (I can't get apt to do it), but the packages are for i386 and I'm running amd64. Can I install them anyways?
[04:57] <dcraven> anto9us: pythoncard the "GUI construction kit"?
[04:58] <anto9us> dcraven: yeah, it's based on hypercard from the Mac world. I did one of my first ever applications on hypercard some 18 years ago. That was easy to use.
[05:00] <dcraven> anto9us: Pygtk can do it too.. Unless I'm missing something.