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[08:30] <iczero0> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[08:30] <iczero0> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[08:30] <iczero0> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[08:30] <iczero0> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
[08:30] <iczero0> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
[08:30] <iczero0> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[08:35] <quiz9613> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[08:35] <quiz9613> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[08:36] <quiz9613> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[08:36] <quiz9613> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
[08:36] <quiz9613> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
[08:36] <quiz9613> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[08:38] <SerpentSpeech> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[08:38] <SerpentSpeech> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[08:39] <SerpentSpeech> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[08:39] <SerpentSpeech> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
[08:39] <SerpentSpeech> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
[08:39] <SerpentSpeech> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[10:10] <danzilio10> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[10:10] <danzilio10> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[10:10] <danzilio10> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[10:10] <danzilio10> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
[10:11] <danzilio10> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
[10:11] <danzilio10> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[17:24] <sst661> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[17:24] <sst661> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[17:24] <sst661> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[17:24] <sst661> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
[17:24] <sst661> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
[17:24] <sst661> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[20:27] <exezin20> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[20:27] <exezin20> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[20:27] <exezin20> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[20:27] <exezin20> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
[20:27] <exezin20> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
[20:27] <exezin20> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/


[13:32] <_KaszpiR_> sarnold kodi + dlna
[13:32] <_KaszpiR_> or samba/nfs as people said
[13:34] <_KaszpiR_> kodi is a media center appl, can stream audio/video and so on, DLNA is a protocol to use for streaming and controlling devices - worth to read


[03:09] <ScottL> TheMuso`, i believe i understand what we need to do, however didirock suggests we do something that will not interfere with other install (although i don't know why they would want to install over studio)
[03:09] <ScottL> but i don't think it will be necessary because of how we handle a few things
[04:39] <ronj> hi
[04:39] <ronj> Results of my testing of the Natty audio stack: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-December/002881.html
[04:39] <kubotu_> less swollen from my testing
[04:41] <holstein> ronj: COOL
[22:58] <holstein> ScottL: ping?


[15:17] <bdmurray> All the branch links at the top of https://dev.launchpad.net/Trunk are 404s
[15:19] <cjwatson> bdmurray: fixed, thanks
[15:19] <bdmurray> thank you!
[15:35] <ginggs> cjwatson: re: section tasks, I did open https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/698249
[16:10] <cjwatson> ginggs: I saw, thanks


[15:28] <FurretUber> Hi, I'm using the kernel 4.16.3 from the mainline and when I try to remove the 4.16.2 linux-image this error happened: Failed to process /etc/kernel/postrm.d at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-4.16.2-041602-generic.postrm line 330.
[15:56] <apw> FurretUber, can you pastebin that /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-4.16.2-041602-generic.postrm for me so i can see what your postrm looks like
[15:57] <FurretUber> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8wD8tR92WF/
[15:58] <apw> FurretUber, and what is in /etc/kernel/postrm.d ?
[16:05] <FurretUber> Found the issue, it was with the grub configuration
[16:07] <FurretUber> Strange it did not pointed to grub. When using sudo update-grub it gave the following errors: erro: memória insuficiente. erro: syntax error. erro: Incorrect command. erro: syntax error.
[19:20] <tomreyn> FurretUber: "memória insuficiente" sound slike your /boot file system may have run full?
[20:07] <FurretUber> I think the issue was with grub configuration: it was lacking a "}"


[03:58] <wallyworld> thumper: a quick look at the recent 1.25 CI failures seems to show a smattering of 1 off issues, from EOF pinging mongo to directory permissions etc. doesn't appear to be too much that's a systemic juju failure
[05:02] <jam> anastasiamac_: just running a little late, will be there in a minute or so
[05:02] <anastasiamac_> jam: nps :)
[06:20] <mup> Bug #1471657 opened: linker error in procsPersistenceSuite unit test on ppc64 <ci> <ppc64el> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471657>
[09:01] <dooferlad> voidspace: hangout time!
[09:01] <voidspace> dooferlad: sorry was on a phone call
[09:01] <jam> fwereade: ^^
[09:09] <voidspace> dooferlad: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2103/
[09:41] <dooferlad> fwereade: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2078 has an "The file 'state/collections.go' (rcf5bc23) could not be found in the repository" error about 3/4 of the way down. I don't know who can prod the server, but my guess is it is out of disk space again.
[10:10] <fwereade> dooferlad, I *think* that's just because RB can't handle me renaming it to collection.go :/
[10:11] <fwereade> dooferlad, the diff *is* a bit smaller than it looks because some of it was just that move to collection.go -- but it did change as it moved as well, I'm afraid
[10:12] <dooferlad> fwereade: not to worry - it is new to me.
[10:17] <jam> fwereade: ping about your PR?
[10:17] <fwereade> jam, yes
[10:17] <jam> fwereade: I'm a bit surprised to add EnvironTag as the first param of state.Open
[10:18] <jam> though I suppose some of that is coming from languages that have optional params so you can fill them with stuff to avoid breaking the API. but it does feel like it is a clarification on mongoInfo vs being the most prominent bit of information.
[10:18] <fwereade> jam, well, a state *is* specific to an environment now
[10:18] <fwereade> jam, I don't think the mongoInfo specifies that?
[10:19] <jam> fwereade: I'm guessing the moved Open function is in collections.go ? I keep looking for the change in the diff, and best guess it is the missing file
[10:20] <fwereade> jam, the intent is just to make it a bit more explicit -- anyone connecting to a state really ought to know what env they're talking about -- rather than insertinng it magically and internally
[10:20] <fwereade> jam, state/open.go
[10:20] <fwereade> jam, it's a 2-pager :(
[10:20] <jam> ah
[10:20] <fwereade> jam, I'm still a bit bothered about magical internal serverTag-setting
[10:26] <jam> fwereade: I'm not sure I'm aware of the magical serverTag setting. Though I do see it getting set.
[10:28] <fwereade> jam, I'm not fully conversant with its purpose
[10:29] <fwereade> jam, afaics adding env-awareness just meant adding those 2 fields and setting them wherever was conveniennt
[10:29] <jam> fwereade: and the move for "not authorized" was a real-world case of hitting an error that didn't end up as a QueryError from mongo?
[10:29] <fwereade> jam, yeah, it was a *LastError as it happens
[10:30] <jam> fwereade: it feels like something that needs a bit more documentation so that we know why and someone doesn't just refactor the fixes away
[10:30] <jam> fwereade: assuming we don't have good ways of triggering those cases.
[10:30] <fwereade> jam, sgtm
[10:30] <fwereade> jam, if someone breaks it it will fail intermittently because we interact with the collections in map ordering
[10:30] <fwereade> jam, and they fail in all manner of excitingly different ways
[10:31] <fwereade> jam, so, yeah, I will add to the documentation
[10:32] <jam> fwereade: 2 page diffs make me sad...
[10:32] <fwereade> jam, me too :(
[10:33] <jam> fwereade: just grabbing a local copy and vim. at least I can jump around and search more easily
[10:33] <jam> I like inline comments, but navigation is hard
[10:33] <fwereade> jam, yeah, a lot of it is just that EnvironTag addition, but it obscures the meat
[10:34] <jam> yeah
[10:36] <jam> fwereade: I notice we don't explicitly create the txns.stash and txns.purge? (added by menno, IIRC).
[10:36] <jam> not much with what you did, but just one of those "we create all the collections here" except the ones we don't.
[10:36] <fwereade> jam, I explicitly turned my head away from that rabbit hole
[10:37] <fwereade> jam, we create the same collections we did before and that's all I know
[10:37] <fwereade> jam, I *think* txns.log is the only important one
[10:37] <jam> txns.stash is created by mgo
[10:37] <fwereade> jam, and quite possibly not even created explicitly?
[10:37] <jam> and txns.purge? was our bookkeeping page for when the last purge was run/how much it cleaned out/etc.
[10:38] <jam> fwereade: mgo/txn does a "C.database.name + ".stash") sort of trick.
[10:38] <jam> created under the covers.
[10:38] <fwereade> jam, it would indeed be good to add those as rawAccess collections just to make it clear that they shouldn't be touched
[10:38] <fwereade> jam, yeah, indeed
[10:40] <jam> fwereade: a thought… what about changing the comment strings in allcollections.go into string attributes on the collectionInfo structs?
[10:41] <fwereade> jam, I wanted to do that and then couldn't quite convince myself it was that useful
[10:41] <fwereade> jam, so I like the idea, but can you explain why? ;)
[10:42] <jam> fwereade: large lists of metainformation feels like something you could use to automate documentation about said information
[10:42] <jam> harder to scrape comments than write a "for foo in collections" sort of loop
[10:42] <jam> but someone would actually have to write that part
[10:42] <fwereade> jam, I counter "YAGNI", but I like the idea enough I think I'll do it ;p
[10:43] <jam> fwereade: I can certainly see people asking "what is the layout here" and we can just point them at allcollections.go
[10:43] <jam> it *feels* useful to be able to programatically pull that out somewhere else, but as you say YAGNI until someone actually does something with it.
[10:43] <fwereade> jam, yeah, just putting that information together feels like the big winn
[10:43] <jam> at which time they could turnt hem into strings
[10:44] <jam> fwereade: ugh.. leaseC vs leasesC being multi-aware vs not.
[10:44] <jam> +2 on deprecating that ASAP. single-character typos having bad consequences
[10:44] <fwereade> jam, I just started the branch to tear that out by the roots :)
[10:45] <fwereade> jam, the plan is basically to go around wantonly deleting code until I get tired, and then see what needs to be done to patch it up
[10:46] <fwereade> jam, at the very least I'll change its name to doNotUseThisDeprecatedLeaseC
[10:46] <jam> thisIsNotTheLeaseYoureLookingForC
[10:46] <fwereade> :D
[10:49] <jam> fwereade: so ATM we have no raw-access collections, just a place to put them?
[10:50] <fwereade> jam, yeah
[10:50] <fwereade> jam, have agreed with wallyworld that status-history in particular wants to go there
[10:50] <fwereade> jam, thought I'd prepare the ground since I was there ;)
[10:52] <jam> fwereade: so you logically split the groups up based on comments and layout in the file. Would there be a reason to have collectionSchema itself somehow be split up into different attributes?
[10:54] <fwereade> jam, perhaps, but (1) I'm not sure entirely sure where we'd use them and (2) I'm not certain that that organisation is fundamental
[10:55] <fwereade> jam, the thing that's scratching at the back of my mind is that we use several databases anyway
[10:55] <fwereade> jam, and collectionSchema is only a step in a hopefully-good direction
[10:55] <fwereade> jam, it doesn't cover everything yet and baking in *too* much structure might not be ideal
[10:56] <jam> fwereade: sure. Just that the layout doesn't inform you that this collection is/isn't raw accessible. Presumably the higher-level Runners do those checks?
[10:57] <fwereade> jam, the rawAccess attribute is the only thing that controls that -- and, yeah, it's the multiEnvRunner that pays attention to it
[10:58] <fwereade> jam, and there's an empty branch in envStateCollection for somehow preventing .Writeable() access to non-raw-access collections
[10:59] <fwereade> jam, but that's not done mainly because we still have no shortage of direct .Writeable access to non-raw collections
[11:02] <fwereade> jam, (incidentally -- I feel like envStateCollectionn failing to strip env-uuid off ids on load is a bit squicky -- it causes all that nasty maybe-insert-env-uuid stuff which is just asking for subtle bugs imo)
[11:02] <fwereade> jam, (concur? don't have time to do anything about it, just thinking aloud)
[11:03] <jam> fwereade: I haven't specifically dug into it, but from your description it definitely sounds like a leaky abstraction
[11:03] <jam> and a case for "I read this ID and I pass it back in and read it back again" and they don't all agree
[11:03] <fwereade> menn0, hey, in case you're awake, did we take Settings into account when we did the multi-env stuff?
[11:04] <fwereade> jam, yeah
[11:04] <fwereade> menn0, hooray, we did
[11:05] <menn0> fwereade: I was pretty sure we did
[11:05]  * menn0 not working, honestly
[11:05] <menn0> :)
[11:06] <fwereade> menn0, I can pontificate about how we could have done it *even better*, because none of our user can call things in settings "env-uuid" any more
[11:07] <fwereade> menn0, and I'm not 100% sure how that would play out in practice, but I'm pretty sure it would be no fun
[11:08] <fwereade> menn0, we've been flirting with disaster there with txn-revno et al since forever, but env-uuid feels like the sort of name someone might be a smidgen less unlikely to actually use?
[11:08] <fwereade> menn0, anyway, you are not working, I will stop talking ;p
[11:08] <menn0> fwereade: i'm working a little kinda... while also making soup and doing some non-work jobs
[11:09]  * fwereade knows how that goes :)
[11:09]  * fwereade is not expecting anything resembling snappy repartee
[11:09]  * fwereade coffee actually
[11:09] <menn0> fwereade: just getting a windows hyperV VM set up to do windows builds and test runs
[11:12] <menn0> fwereade: thinking about the possibility of a name collison on "env-uuid"
[11:12] <menn0> fwereade: it seems most likely for settings
[11:12] <mgz> er, what is theis failure trying to tell me? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11830352
[11:13] <menn0> fwereade: almost everywhere else we have a struct which will already have env-uuid on it
[11:13] <menn0> fwereade: and it'll be fairly obvious what it's for
[11:14] <menn0> fwereade: maybe for settings there should be a check to block exernal uses of env-uuid, txn-revno etc ?
[11:14] <menn0> mgz: the HasLen failures are a little hard to read...
[11:15] <menn0> mgz: it's showing you that it got an empty slice of *syslog.Writer but it expected a length of 2
[11:15] <mgz> menn0: aha, thanks
[11:16] <menn0> mgz: the obtained line is showing you the full actual thing that was obtained
[11:16] <menn0> mgz: not very clear though
[11:19] <mgz> menn0: have a TestPrunes failure on ggco, do you want me to reopen bug 1459291 or open a new bug?
[11:20] <menn0> mgz: can you pastebin the output for me?
[11:21] <mgz> menn0: http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/2858/jub/run-unit-tests-trusty-ppc64el/attempt/3490
[11:22] <menn0> mgz: that gives me a 404 (and I am logged in)
[11:23] <mgz> s/jub/job/
[11:23] <mgz> sorry, I have irc on a different machine and it makes passing links around dodgy :)
[11:26] <menn0> mgz: aww but I wanted to see the jub :)
[11:26] <mgz> ehehe
[11:26] <menn0> mgz: regarding the problem... pls create a new bug
[11:26] <mgz> okay.
[11:27] <menn0> mgz: I've seen this before and could have sworn I had already created a ticket
[11:27] <menn0> mgz: ah, no, there it is in my personal todo list
[11:27] <menn0> mgz: pls assign the bug to me
[11:32] <mgz> menn0: done, bug 1471770
[11:32] <mup> Bug #1471770: TestPrunes fails occasionally still <ci> <intermittent-failure> <test-failure> <juju-core:Triaged by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471770>
[11:34] <menn0> mgz: tyvm
[11:35] <mgz> menn0: both failures I have since your fix are on the ppc64 tests
[11:39]  * fwereade ended up having lunch too
[11:39] <fwereade> menn0, fwiw, what we should do is put the actual settings in a subdocument, and just makie sure we escape the keys properly
[11:40] <perrito666> morning
[11:40] <menn0> fwereade: that would work nicely too
[11:41] <menn0> and has the added benefit of not limiting the keys so much
[11:41] <fwereade> menn0, it's always just been one of those copious-free-time bugs :/
[11:42] <menn0> fwereade: would lookups be slower in a subdocument? you don't get the default index on _id then right?
[11:42] <fwereade> menn0, surely _id would jsut stay at the top level with the others
[11:42] <fwereade> menn0, I'm not sure we'd need to index settings by content?
[11:43] <menn0> fwereade: i'm probably not understanding what you mean then (and I'm tired)
[11:43]  * menn0 hasn't looked at how settings are stored very much
[11:44] <fwereade> menn0, it's just a document with everything jammed into the top level alongside the metadata :/
[11:44] <fwereade> menn0, it was a useful type in python, against zookeeper
[11:45] <fwereade> menn0, as we switched languages and backends it gradually made less sense but was always basically just a straight port
[11:48] <mup> Bug #1471770 opened: TestPrunes fails occasionally still <ci> <intermittent-failure> <test-failure> <juju-core:Triaged by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471770>
[11:48] <mup> Bug #1471771 opened: After "juju destroy-service <charm-name>" is executed,  the corresponding Windows charm service is not uninstalled <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471771>
[11:48] <menn0> fwereade: ok, right so there's a doc per env
[11:49] <menn0> fwereade: so a subdocument would be fine
[11:49] <fwereade> menn0, settingsC has *so much* in it
[11:50] <menn0> fwereade: a smaller, but grosser, change would be to translate the sensitive field names into other ones for storage
[11:50] <fwereade> menn0, at least one set of config settings per service; at least one per relation unit that's entered scope; env settings, probably more I'm not immediately thinking of
[11:50] <menn0> fwereade: that is a lot
[11:51] <menn0> fwereade: any danger of hitting the 16MB limit?
[11:51] <fwereade> menn0, oh!
[11:51] <fwereade> menn0, no, each of those things is its own N documents
[11:51] <fwereade> menn0, the collection holds a lot, so a lot of things are affected, is my only point
[11:51] <menn0> fwereade: ok so not one doc per env
[11:52] <menn0> fwereade: that's not so bad then
[11:52]  * menn0 should stop discussing this subject when he hasn't looked at the code
[11:52] <fwereade> menn0, yeah -- I got thrown because, well, there *is* one environment settings doc per environment, but that's not what we meant :)
[11:52]  * menn0 also really needs to go to bed. soup is cooked, windows VM is set up.
[11:52] <fwereade> menn0, sleep well, thanks for the conversation
[11:53] <menn0> fwereade: no worries. i don't think I contributed anything useful :)
[12:07] <fwereade> perrito666, apiserver/common/getstatus.go:163
[12:08] <fwereade> perrito666, it looks like the query is a list of unit tags but it tells us information about some other entity
[12:08] <fwereade> perrito666, if we want to know service status, why are we not passing service tags?
[12:09] <mup> Bug #1471775 opened: TestModeForwarding occasionally fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <test-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471775>
[12:13] <dooferlad> voidspace, TheMue: Review please: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2105
[12:13] <TheMue> dooferlad: ok
[12:15] <perrito666> fwereade: iirc, implements StatusGetter
[12:15] <fwereade> perrito666, right, that just means it accepts a list of entities annd will tell yuo their status, assuming you're properly authed
[12:15] <fwereade> perrito666, why does it accept a list of entities and tell you the statuses of some *other* enntities?
[12:16] <voidspace> dooferlad: looking
[12:16] <perrito666> fwereade: oh?
[12:16]  * perrito666 put on glasses
[12:18] <fwereade> sorry brb kee ptalking
[12:24] <perrito666> fwereade: service status returns status of a units service (and its units), you need to pass in the leader unit tag, I feel your question is a bit more complex than my answer, right?
[12:25] <voidspace> dooferlad: "return None" is slightly confusing :-)
[12:25] <voidspace> dooferlad: just to my Python addled brain...
[12:25] <voidspace> dooferlad: one comment so far
[12:29] <TheMue> dooferlad: and added another one ;)
[12:30] <fwereade> perrito666, the question is -- why do we expect service status to come back when we ask for unit status?
[12:30] <fwereade> perrito666, it's fine to restrict auth to the leader unit
[12:31] <fwereade> perrito666, but that's a property of the connection, not of the request
[12:31] <fwereade> perrito666, we already know who's connecting, and can use that information to decide whether or not to give out information about X entity
[12:31] <fwereade> perrito666, but this *doesn't* implement StatusGetter
[12:32] <fwereade> perrito666, because StatusGetter is supposed to tell you the status of the thing you asked for
[12:32] <perrito666> nope, it implements ServiceStatusGetter
[12:32] <perrito666> I am now reading the rest of the code
[12:33] <fwereade> perrito666, ...we already had a StatusGetter
[12:33] <fwereade> perrito666, it only handed out unit statuses, because those were all that existed
[12:34] <fwereade> perrito666, whether or not to hand out service statuses is purely an auth-level problem
[12:34] <fwereade> perrito666, the StatusGetter is not a *Unit*StatusGetter
[12:35] <fwereade> perrito666, it just accepts entities and returns their statuses
[12:35] <fwereade> perrito666, if they have them, and if the current user is authorized to know whether they even exist
[12:36] <fwereade> perrito666, make sense?
[12:37] <perrito666> fwereade: not really, I feel like entering in a mid sentence conversation here
[12:37]  * perrito666 goes and re reads the whole file to make sure we are talking about the same here
[12:38] <fwereade> perrito666, heh, context is removing juju/juju/lease and seeing what failed
[12:40] <fwereade> perrito666, getstatus.go was the second one; reading it, I got confused, and am not seeking understanding
[12:40] <fwereade> s/not/now/
[12:43] <perrito666> quick hangout?
[12:44] <perrito666> I have 15 mins before my next meeting
[12:44] <perrito666> (but you are not allowed to laugh on my winter clothing)
[12:44] <fwereade> perrito666, sure
[12:45] <fwereade> perrito666, would you start one please?
[12:45] <perrito666> sure hold a sec
[12:46] <fwereade> perrito666, actually 2 mins coffee refill
[12:46] <perrito666> k
[12:48] <perrito666> fwereade: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gzh5yzfc4533ewopliwwbc62wya?hl=en
[13:42] <TheMue> dooferlad: commented your question
[14:13] <dooferlad> TheMue: diff updated
[14:17] <TheMue> dooferlad: already pushed? cannot see it
[14:18] <dooferlad> TheMue: doh! wrong branch. One moment.
[14:18] <TheMue> *lol*
[16:01] <TheMue> dooferlad: voidspace: hangout
[18:11] <perrito666> fwereade: ping
[18:55] <mup> Bug #1471242 changed: juju upgrade-juju to 1.24.2 fails with "invalid series: wily" <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471242>
[18:55] <mup> Bug #1471936 opened: suite.TestRunCmd shows script failure <intermittent-failure> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core feature-proc-mgmt:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471936>
[18:55] <mup> Bug #1471941 opened: widows unit tests fail because handles are not avIlable <intermittent-failure> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471941>
[22:23] <mup> Bug #1470714 changed: Ubuntu downloads are non-obvious <juju-core:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470714>
[22:50] <mup> Bug #1470876 changed: Deploy --to zone=<name> <add-unit> <deploy> <feature> <landscape> <placement> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470876>
[22:50] <mup> Bug #1472004 opened: agent-state error yet unit logs show no error <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472004>
[23:20] <mup> Bug #1472009 opened: manual provisioning with juju requires systemd-services <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472009>
[23:20] <mup> Bug #1472014 opened: juju 1.24.0: wget cert issues causing failure to create containers on 14.04.2 with lxc 1.07 <openstack-installer> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472014>
[23:20] <perrito666> wallyworld: anastasiamac I completely blanked out
[23:23] <wallyworld> perrito666: we are in standup if you want to join :-)
[23:46] <wallyworld> fwereade: i will hang around in our standup hangout in case you do join


[03:04] <SkrappJaw> Any heartland blokes in the room?
[03:06] <paultag> SkrappJaw: Howdy, friendo
[03:06] <paultag> Cleveland, here
[03:06] <Cheri703> hey SkrappJaw :)
[03:06] <paultag> heyya Cheri703 :)
[03:06] <Cheri703> paultag: SkrappJaw came to ubuntu hour!
[03:06] <SkrappJaw> Whats up Cheri? I started playing with x11 over SSH today
[03:06] <Cheri703> Unit193: this is the person I'd mentioned :)
[03:07] <Cheri703> SkrappJaw: Unit193 is one of the guys who usually comes to our U-H's
[03:07] <Cheri703> yeah? isn't it awesome?
[03:07] <SkrappJaw> its fun
[03:07] <SkrappJaw> im just playing with a vbox though
[03:07] <paultag> woohoo!!!
[03:08] <SkrappJaw> w00t
[03:08] <SkrappJaw> Yea. I can think of ways to help out my pals with SSH if I cant sit and actually be there.
[03:09] <Cheri703> it's pretty darn handy
[03:09] <Cheri703> paultag: side note: have you noticed the COMPLETE lack of dmcglone since I commented on his crap? :/
[03:10] <paultag> Cheri703: yeah... I did. Sadsies.
[03:10] <paultag> It's OK
[03:10] <Cheri703> yeah, I just find it ridiculous that someone would opt to just leave instead of perhaps toning down their comments...oh well
[03:11] <SkrappJaw> Can't please every one.
[03:12] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:12] <paultag> He'll be back after he cools off
[03:12] <paultag> I'm sure of it
[03:12] <Cheri703> I stayed up most of the night helping a canadian ubuntu friend figure out gnucash :)
[03:13] <SkrappJaw> I may have to have you show my mom how to use GNU cash. She's treasurer for her local water community board. Its a little neighborhood in Madison with it's own well system.
[03:14] <SkrappJaw> I'll give her your card.
[03:14] <Cheri703> sure :)
[03:14] <canthus13> paultag: That's been a couple of weeks... how long do you think he'll take to 'cool off'?
[03:14] <SkrappJaw> She wants to take everything for the water community digital.
[03:14] <Cheri703> it's pretty robust. I use it in a very simple way, but it can be used for ALL KINDS of other stuff
[03:15] <Cheri703> canthus13: I feel a little bit bad, but as I said to him that day, I like him, I was just tired of his junk, and if I didn't like him, I wouldn't have said anything :/
[03:15] <paultag> canthus13: 03:15 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last seen  : Mar 06 19:21:31 2011 (2 weeks, 5 days, 07:53:29 ago)
[03:15] <paultag> No clue
[03:15] <paultag> but I've seen this happen time and time again
[03:15] <SkrappJaw> Yea. All they need is to track expenses for the water system and the pump house and who has paid up their bills in the community. stuff like that.
[03:15] <Cheri703> yeah, totally doable
[03:16] <SkrappJaw> Fantastic.
[03:16] <canthus13> Cheri703: I was there... I stayed out of it, but I was there. :)
[03:16] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:17] <SkrappJaw> what happened?
[03:17] <canthus13> Cheri703: You were right, of course.  I just didn't wanna have it seem like we were ganging up on him.
[03:17] <canthus13> SkrappJaw: She called him out on some sexist remarks.
[03:18] <canthus13> SkrappJaw: He's a bit of a redneck.
[03:18] <SkrappJaw> Oh. Ya you told me bout that, Cheri. Briefly
[03:18] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:18] <SkrappJaw> I'm cool with hill billies, cause that's my blood. But rednecks are a whole story,
[03:20] <canthus13> SkrappJaw: You understand the mentality, though. I don't think he's deliberately trying to be a jerk, he just doesn't really think about what he's saying.
[03:21] <Cheri703> he's a really nice guy...he just makes inappropriate comments
[03:21] <SkrappJaw> Ya.
[03:21] <Cheri703> anyway
[03:21] <Cheri703> SkrappJaw: did you mention to your gf about ubuntu-women?
[03:21] <SkrappJaw> ok.
[03:21] <SkrappJaw> No. not yet.
[03:21] <SkrappJaw> I got caught up in tearing apart my car and andy's car.
[03:22] <Cheri703> ah, no worries :)
[03:22] <SkrappJaw> I will though.
[03:22] <SkrappJaw> is it an IRC room?
[03:22] <Cheri703> this: http://ubuntu-women.org/
[03:22] <Cheri703> and an irc room, yes
[03:22] <SkrappJaw> oh cool.
[03:23] <canthus13> Cheri703: My wife checked into them for a little while... they kinda shunned her, though.  she got the feeling that she just wasn't technical enough for their tastes.
[03:23] <Cheri703> weird, when was that?
[03:23] <canthus13> about 2 years ago.
[03:23] <Cheri703> there are some fairly non-technical folks in there
[03:23] <Cheri703> have her give it another shot
[03:23] <canthus13> Or maybe it was Linux-chix.
[03:23] <canthus13> or both. don't remember now.
[03:23] <Cheri703> I have heard that about linux-chix
[03:24] <Cheri703> ubuntu-women has a large range of folks
[03:24] <Cheri703> (not just women too)
[03:24] <canthus13> I imagine she and elky would be at odds a lot, though.
[03:24] <Cheri703> oh?
[03:24] <SkrappJaw> hey. I gotta jump out for a few minutes. riding andy back to lexington.
[03:24] <Cheri703> have fun :) and thank him again for me!!
[03:24] <canthus13> Cheri703: elky tends to be rather narrow-minded at times.
[03:24] <SkrappJaw> will do
[03:25] <canthus13> Cheri703: And since I hang out in ##club-ubuntu, elky hates me by default... so guilt by association. :)
[03:25] <Cheri703> perhaps, she (generally) doesn't go pontificating in u-w
[03:25]  * SkrappJaw is away.
[03:25] <SkrappJaw> hey i remembered /me
[03:25] <SkrappJaw> aweel
[03:25] <SkrappJaw> *T
[03:26] <Cheri703> :)
[03:26]  * SkrappJaw has a spelling problem
[03:26] <SkrappJaw> peace
[03:26] <canthus13> Not that I really blame her for not liking a few people that hang in ##c-u... there are a couple that really get off on antagonizing her. :P
[03:26] <Cheri703> your wife is more than welcome to disavow any knowledge of you ;)
[03:26] <canthus13> but she's pretty much written off anyone who hangs out there.
[03:26] <canthus13> Heh.
[03:33] <SkrappJaw> Woot for blackberry
[03:35] <Skrapp_Jaw> Anyone here?
[03:36]  * Cheri703 is here
[03:36] <Skrapp_Jaw> sweet.
[04:31] <Cheri703> o.O http://thedailywh.at/2011/03/25/lights-out-37
[04:31] <Cheri703> canthus13: how is toledo?
[04:31] <SkrappJaw> im back
[04:31] <Cheri703> wb :)
[04:31] <Cheri703> you missed my ridiculous link: http://thedailywh.at/2011/03/25/lights-out-37
[04:31] <Cheri703> :)
[04:32] <SkrappJaw> Andy live in the boonies.
[04:32] <SkrappJaw> s*
[04:32] <Cheri703> heh
[04:33] <SkrappJaw> O.o oh n0z3.
[04:33] <SkrappJaw> buffer....buffer...buffer.
[04:34] <SkrappJaw> it would be much more entertaining if the called it waxing. Then I could make Mr. Miagi jokes.
[04:36] <Cheri703> :)
[04:39] <SkrappJaw> Li3k. 0Mg.!!  ! <3 trees and and. and.... o.o *strangle*
[04:39] <Cheri703> heh, yeah
[04:39] <Cheri703> you can see the guy behind her trying not to laugh at the end
[04:39] <SkrappJaw> ya.
[04:40] <SkrappJaw> I love that website too.
[04:40] <Cheri703> I liked the "1% other stuff, but I don't know what it is, and at least 6% energy"
[04:40] <SkrappJaw> ya... Jars of air?
[04:40] <SkrappJaw> she lost me at plants.
[04:41] <SkrappJaw> but, my pal Jerm will be in the iRC as soon as I walk him through it. My 3rd convert to Ubuntu.
[04:42] <Cheri703> yeah, I like that she thinks she could get $10,000 for a jar of air...and that she could get $500,000 in VC
[04:42] <Cheri703> cool :)
[04:42] <SkrappJaw> rofl.
[04:43] <SkrappJaw> I may even have him set up his SSH and show him that way. lol.
[04:43] <Cheri703> one thing to note: if you do the ssh -X, it does NOT show it on their screen too
[04:44] <Cheri703> all visual parts are done on the remote terminal
[04:44] <Cheri703> so if I run something via my server, someone could be sitting there using it for other things, and it won't disturb them
[04:44] <Cheri703> one thing to use though: www.teamviewer.com
[04:44] <SkrappJaw> Ahh. how would i have it control both? could i just SSH the entire -X server?
[04:44] <Cheri703> it's AWESOME
[04:44] <Cheri703> I don't think so
[04:44] <Cheri703> I don't think you can make it display in both spots
[04:44] <Cheri703> (I could be wrong)
[04:45] <SkrappJaw> ahh.
[04:45] <SkrappJaw> well i know you can share mouse and keyboard over SSH.
[04:45] <Cheri703> hm...maybe?
[04:45] <Cheri703> I've not done that
[04:45] <Cheri703> I could be totally wrong
[04:46] <SkrappJaw> Ya. I was just surfing generic Linux searches on tips and tricks. A lot was over my head but i did see that in one. for wen you have 2 people working on the same pc
[04:46] <Cheri703> that's cool
[04:47] <SkrappJaw> instead of sharing one keyboard and mouse. But they didnt have independent mouse and keyboard
[04:48] <SkrappJaw> but that was mouse and keys only. no x remote.
[04:49] <SkrappJaw> I also saw it while looking up things on how people run their home media centers. there was SSH involved in some of those setups.
[04:49] <Cheri703> I use synergy
[04:49] <Cheri703> it's amazing
[04:49] <Cheri703> I can have my mouse/keyboard of my netbook controll my htpc
[04:49] <Cheri703> *control
[04:51] <SkrappJaw> cool. http://ubuntulandforever.blogspot.com/2010/11/x2x-allows-keyboard-and-mouse-on-one-x.html here's the x2x mouse keyboard server. runs on SSH also
[04:53] <Cheri703> nice
[04:59] <SkrappJaw> hmm.. so what all can i use ssh for?
[04:59] <Cheri703> bunch o crap
[04:59] <Cheri703> I've used it if one computer froze up, I ssh'd and used a killall to stop the offending program
[05:00] <SkrappJaw> sweet.
[05:01] <SkrappJaw> Thats good to know.
[05:01] <SkrappJaw> is there a way to execute the root terninal in ubuntu through a normal terminal? Since su is disabled.
[05:02] <Cheri703> sudo
[05:02] <Cheri703> sudo su
[05:02] <SkrappJaw> sudo su?
[05:03] <Cheri703> yup
[05:03] <SkrappJaw> cool. now i dont have to pile through menus for root.
[05:03] <Cheri703> yep
[05:03] <Cheri703> ooo, one handy thing: sudo nautilus (or gksudo)
[05:03] <Cheri703> you get a file manager window with root privileges
[05:03] <Cheri703> makes life easier if needing to change permissions or move files without having to type it all out
[05:03] <SkrappJaw> ya. i figured that out setting up my ps3 media server.
[05:04] <Cheri703> :)
[05:04] <SkrappJaw> also in compiling qjoypad
[05:06] <SkrappJaw> I had to use it to configure the controller preset layouts. They are in a "." file directory.
[05:07] <Cheri703> that's cool
[05:10] <SkrappJaw> Hows the car? did you guys get that worked out?
[05:12] <Cheri703> yeah, they got it home and are getting the tires taken care of :)
[05:14] <SkrappJaw> Cool. Andy's car and mine are on blocks till tomorrow. We thought we had all the bits to fixem but it turned out to be more than that once we tore'm apart.
[05:15] <Cheri703> that stinks
[05:15] <Cheri703> I hate it when that happens
[05:17] <SkrappJaw> thats the nature of a car though.
[05:18] <Cheri703> yeah
[05:18] <Cheri703> some days I miss having one, but other days I'm really ok with it
[05:23] <SkrappJaw> oops.
[05:40] <SkrappTest_SSH_D> Xchat remote ssh from Debian vbox guest on ubuntu 10.04 host.
[05:40] <SkrappJaw> woot.
[05:40] <Cheri703> nice
[05:41] <SkrappTest_SSH_D> ssh comes with debian out the box apparently. Just a tweak of the config file and it's golden.
[05:46] <SkrappJaw> Cheri: So i just had a connection refused on SSH. I can connect from Deb-guest to Ubuntu but not the other way.
[05:47] <Cheri703> do you not have the ssh server set up on the other?
[05:47] <SkrappJaw> ya. i do. i set it up the same on debian as on ubuntu.
[05:48] <SkrappJaw> could my debian be rejecting it because of a firewall?
[05:48] <SkrappJaw> ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection refused
[05:49] <Cheri703> possible?
[05:49] <Cheri703> oh
[05:49] <Cheri703> wait
[05:49] <Cheri703> is the user name the same on both?
[05:49] <SkrappJaw> yes.
[05:50] <Cheri703> uhm...I'm not sure :/
[05:51] <Cheri703> I'm still limited in my use/understanding of the ins and outs of ssh
[05:51] <SkrappJaw> ok. I'll retrace and search about.
[05:57] <SkrappJaw> wow it
[05:57] <SkrappJaw> it's late. I'm crashing. See ya'll later!
[05:58]  * SkrappJaw is catchin some Zzzz....
[05:58] <Cheri703> night
[14:05] <canthus13> Haha... Another Ohio ubuntu user.
[14:06]  * canthus13 just spoke to on the phone... Gave him the loco website address.
[14:47] <paultag> canthus13: woo!
[14:50] <canthus13> Dude was high on vicodin, kept cracking up every time I said 'ifup'
[14:50] <paultag> canthus13: hahaha
[14:53] <canthus13> kept getting 'ignoring unknown interface'... :/  He decided to reinstall.
[15:18] <canthus13> Cheri703: SkrappJaw prolly didn't have ssh-server installed.
[15:19] <Cheri703> yeah
[15:23] <canthus13> If it had been the wrong username, it still would have asked him for a password instead of refusing the connection.
[15:24] <Cheri703> true
[15:24] <Cheri703> he said it was installed, so I dunno
[15:36] <canthus13> He prolly has -client installed.
[15:36] <canthus13> either that, or he didn't start the daemon.
[15:36] <canthus13> although, it should autostart on install.
[15:38] <canthus13> Huh. Apparently Debian has a package that installs both now.
[15:40] <Cheri703> yeah, I have no idea
[15:46] <canthus13> Blah. Overtime is starting to get old....
[15:46] <Cheri703> :/
[15:46] <Cheri703> so quit your job! :D
[15:46] <canthus13> Hah.
[15:52] <Cheri703> still no telecommuting jobs open? :)
[15:52] <canthus13> Nope. they don't like telecommuting here.
[15:53] <Cheri703> eh, was worth asking :)
[15:54] <canthus13> Heh. :)
[15:54] <canthus13> I wish.
[15:55] <Cheri703> there is apparently drama at the church I'm trying to work with
[15:55] <Cheri703> I have no doubts I'll (eventually) finish and get paid, because the one woman thinks I'm amazing, but it's been sort of a cluster-f from the beginning on their side...
[15:55] <canthus13> Heh.


[12:49] <popey> @schedlue
[12:49] <popey> er
[12:49] <popey> @schedule
[12:49] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 24 Apr 20:00: Technical Board | 25 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 20:00: MOTU | 26 Apr 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 May 15:00: Kernel Team | 01 May 18:00: Mozilla Team
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[05:53] <Squirm> morning
[06:33] <Vince-0> heyho its Maandag blady Monday
[06:34] <magespawn> good morning
[06:53] <magespawn> hi maiatoday
[07:01] <Kilos> morning all
[07:01] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday magespawn
[07:06] <maiatoday> hi magespawn Kilos
[07:14] <Kilos> hi charl
[07:20] <Vince-0> Kilos!
[07:25] <magespawn> hey Kilos, sleeping late?
[07:25] <Kilos> Vince-0, !
[07:26] <magespawn> o/ Vince-0
[07:26] <Kilos> just keeping warm a bit longer magespawn
[07:26] <Kilos> you got time to look at a bug thing
[07:27] <Kilos> mail starts with -There is some code upstream that I am testing now that probably solves
[07:27] <Kilos> this problem, and possibly the reconnection issue too.
[07:27] <Kilos> so where is upstream
[07:28] <Kilos> when i tick the link i see lotsa stuff but where is the code he talks about
[07:28] <Kilos> There is some code upstream that I am testing now that probably solves
[07:28] <Kilos> this problem, and possibly the reconnection issue too.
[07:28] <Kilos> ai!
[07:28] <magespawn> a developer/s who are working on the same package as you are using
[07:29] <Kilos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/848164
[07:29] <magespawn> i think upstream is usually closer to the source/origin of the code, if i am right
[07:34] <Kilos> and its for 11.10 i see not 12.04
[07:35] <Kilos> didnt know nm actually started its probs then already
[07:36] <magespawn> this http://osdir.com/ml/networkmanager-list/2012-07/msg00101.html or this http://osdir.com/ml/networkmanager-list/2012-07/msg00102.html apparently solves it
[07:36] <Kilos> where did you find that magespawn and how
[07:38] <Kilos> i dont see those links in the mail
[07:38] <magespawn> no they are on a seperate site that was linked to launchpad
[07:40] <Kilos> oh ty. i think ill keep using remastersys if i need to reinstall
[07:41] <magespawn> i see you submitted a work around on luanchpad
[07:41] <Kilos> me?
[07:41] <magespawn> launchpad
[07:41] <magespawn> yes, or at least somebody called Miles
[07:41] <Kilos> ya thats me
[07:42] <magespawn> on the 30-10-2012
[07:42] <Kilos> its a script someone gave me back then but that only works if the install actually sees the modem
[07:42] <Kilos> hence all those installs remember
[07:43] <magespawn> i do
[07:43] <Kilos> 1 out of 5 saw the modem
[07:43] <magespawn> has yours lost the modem again?
[07:44] <Kilos> but the same thing happens with crunchbang so i thinks its a debian error to start with
[07:44] <Kilos> nope but they mail me now and again
[07:44] <Kilos> hi sakhi
[07:46] <Kilos> havent needed to reinstall for a while now
[07:46] <Kilos> 12.04 lekker stable here
[07:49] <magespawn> it does seem a bit strnage that it was working fine and then stopped
[07:50] <magespawn> strange
[07:51] <Kilos> mine didnt stop. only prob here was first to see the modem and then to get it to auto-connect at booting
[07:52] <Kilos> also if it disconnects now i sometimes have to move the modem to another socket to get it going again
[07:52] <Kilos> crunchbang dont even see it
[07:54] <Kilos> but 13.04 sees it fine, only im not keen on 13.04
[07:55] <Kilos> have you tried remmina magespawn ?
[07:55] <Kilos> youll be able to work on all your win pcs with it
[08:00] <magespawn> no not yet Kilos
[08:00] <Kilos> ah
[08:02] <magespawn> brb going out for a bir
[08:02] <magespawn> bit
[08:06] <Kilos> k
[08:34] <Kilos> hi georgelappies
[08:34] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[09:03] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn
[09:04] <nlsthzn> Alo uncle Kilos
[09:04] <nlsthzn> New mobile IRC client
[09:04] <nlsthzn> So far not to bad
[09:35] <magespawn> i have a bit of a printing problem\
[09:35] <magespawn> details to follow
[09:35] <Kilos> ai!
[09:36] <magespawn> my printer is shared across the network from the one desktop, and when ever i print from libreoffice on any of the machines i end up with an a4 on about 1/20th of the page
[09:36] <magespawn> nothing too serious Kilos
[09:37] <magespawn> just have to turn everything into a pdf first
[09:37] <Kilos> is that the only solution?
[09:37] <magespawn> it is probably some setting but for the life of me i cannot find it
[09:37] <Kilos> ask QA to google it
[09:39] <Kilos> magespawn, see if those links help
[09:39] <Kilos> in my channel
[09:45] <magespawn> cool Kilos
[10:27] <magespawn> nah had a look thanks Kilos
[10:27] <Kilos> aw sorry magespawn
[10:27] <magespawn> i think must have something to do with cups or the printer itself
[10:27] <Kilos> someone else must have had the same prob
[10:37] <magespawn> i am sure, just need to keep looking
[10:38] <magespawn> have you seen superfly?
[10:38] <Kilos> nope
[10:58] <Kilos> Maaz, seen superfly
[10:58] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 1 day, 19 hours, 30 minutes and 36 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-06-08 08:27:53 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2013-06-07 09:29:16 PDT
[10:58] <Kilos> holidays arent good for the fly looks like
[12:19] <charl> good afternoon
[12:19] <charl> hi Kilos
[12:19] <Kilos> hi charl
[12:19] <charl> hi magespawn
[12:19] <charl> how's it going
[12:19] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[12:20] <charl> good thanks
[12:20] <charl> i'm using i3wm now, so far i'm very impressed
[12:20] <charl> it's a simplistic but great tiling window manager
[12:21] <charl> for the moment i'll just use it on my laptop but maybe one day i switch over my desktop as well
[13:12] <Kilos> so now i need some za peeps to buy 8ta sim cards. just got an sms , get your buddie to join 8ta and you both get R60 free airtime
[13:13] <Kilos> go buy some magespawn
[13:13] <Kilos> you can use the 60 bucks on calls then throw it away
[13:15] <Kilos> yo Vince-0
[13:16] <Kilos> ok bi
[13:17] <Vince_0> ow no
[13:17] <Vince_0> stupid dsl
[13:18] <Kilos> Vince-0, go buy a coupla 8ta sim cards
[13:18] <Vince-0> I think we've tried Voda and 8ta without success
[13:19] <Kilos> just for the free R60 airtime man
[13:19] <Kilos> 8ta uses mtn towers too
[13:21] <Vince-0> ow
[13:21] <Kilos> lol
[13:21] <Kilos> didnt you read what i said they smsed me
[13:22] <Vince-0> negative
[13:22] <Kilos> so now i need some za peeps to buy 8ta sim cards. just got an sms , get your buddie to join 8ta and you both get R60 free airtime
[13:22] <Kilos> if i wasnt in the sticks id get a couple more
[13:23] <Kilos> http://www.8ta.mobi/bab/?stay-on-page=true
[13:24] <Vince-0> oh yar that
[13:24] <Kilos> aw its R10 a month for 6 months
[13:25] <Vince-0> only
[13:25] <Kilos> ya man i want it once of to get data
[13:25] <Kilos> hehe
[13:28] <Vince-0> yoh data is like gold
[13:38] <Vince-0> mobile data that is
[13:38] <Kilos> yeah
[13:38] <Kilos> better with telkom mobile though
[13:38] <Kilos> voda used to kill me
[13:56] <magespawn> hey all
[13:57] <magespawn> hi charl
[13:57] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[13:57] <Kilos> why you hi him and hey me?
[13:58] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, didnt even go of away today
[13:59] <Kilos> and inetpro didnt say morning
[13:59] <Kilos> will say it tonight i spose
[13:59] <inetpro> eh Kilos
[13:59] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[13:59] <Kilos> dag boetie
[13:59] <Kilos> lol
[14:03] <magespawn> no particular reason Kilos, he did say hi earlier and i did not respond then
[14:04] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:04] <magespawn> sometimes i o/ others good day, just wimsy
[14:05] <Kilos> haha just teasing man
[14:05] <Kilos> all you okes with the hey watch too many american movies
[14:13] <magespawn> and it is something horses eat
[14:26] <Kilos> no man thats hay
[14:29] <magespawn> yes byt when you say it, it siunds the same
[14:29] <magespawn> sounds
[14:32] <Kilos> lol
[14:32] <Kilos> yankee slang
[15:04] <magespawn> later Kilos, home time
[15:04] <Kilos> go safew magespawn
[15:04] <Kilos> safe too
[17:01] <Kilos> hi Cantide Banlam
[17:01] <Cantide> hello :)
[17:02] <Kilos> phi superfly wb
[17:02] <Kilos> ohi
[17:02] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:02] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell superfly hi and thanks for the visit" 1 day, 22 hours, 43 minutes and 31 seconds ago
[17:43] <inetpro> good evening superfly
[17:43] <inetpro> wb home
[17:43] <inetpro> good evening Kilos
[17:43] <Kilos> lo pro
[17:44] <Kilos> uh oh net splits again
[17:45] <inetpro> at least you are still here Kilos
[17:45] <Kilos> yeah im a die hard
[17:45] <inetpro> :-)
[17:45] <Kilos> and you visit now and again inetpro
[17:45] <Kilos> ill even make you a smiley
[17:45] <Kilos> :-)
[17:46] <inetpro> ai!
[17:46] <Kilos> hehe
[17:46] <Kilos> shocked you hey?
[17:47] <Kilos> heres a nice one on pidgin <3
[17:51] <superfly> hi inetpro
[17:51] <inetpro> superfly: did you enjoy it?
[17:51] <superfly> yes, thanks
[17:51] <superfly> busy with supper, will be back later
[17:52] <inetpro> np
[18:37] <Kilos> night all. sleep warm


[07:04] <mborzecki> morning
[08:00] <mborzecki> mvo: hey
[08:03] <mvo> good morning mborzecki
[08:06] <pstolowski> morning
[08:06] <mvo> good morning pstolowski
[08:09] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[08:10] <pstolowski> o/
[09:12] <mborzecki> haha, so i think i've reproduced a strange scenario that was reported in the forum
[09:12] <mborzecki> there's a gnome-platform content snap used by gimp
[09:12] <mborzecki> i ran gimp, then i enabled parallel-instances, installed hello-world_foo and ran it
[09:13] <mborzecki> now gimp does not work
[09:14] <mborzecki> the LD_LIBRARY_PATH is missing entries pointing to gnome-platform snap
[09:15] <mborzecki> the $SNAP/data-dir/gnome-platform directory is empty, there should be a gnome-platform snap content
[09:18] <mborzecki> discarding the mount ns fixed that ofc
[09:37] <mborzecki> degville: hi, i've added a note under the parallel installs doc page: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/parallel-installs/7679/18 do you think it's something we could put in the admonition box at the top of the page too?
[09:37] <degville> mborzecki: morning! yes, definitely. I'll do that now - thanks!
[09:38] <mborzecki> degville: cool, thank you!
[09:46] <mvo> mborzecki: I updated 9907, a quick look would be cool, it should DTRT now for kernel refreshes, if all of this looks reasonable I will create the manager tests for the refreshes from old-style to new  style next
[09:47] <mvo> (cc pedronis -^)
[09:50] <pedronis> mborzecki: fun, if we turn it on by default we need to decide what to do in general
[09:51] <pedronis> mborzecki: also is this behavior new? it was never reported
[09:52] <mborzecki> it's not new, it's been like this at least for a couple releases, since 2.43 most likely
[09:55] <pedronis> mvo: we need to still land #9859 first?
[09:55] <mup> PR #9859: overlord: add manager gadget refresh test <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9859>
[10:07] <mvo> pedronis: that would be good yes
[10:32]  * pstolowski dentist
[11:24] <Laney> hey (mvo?), I was just notified that proposed-migration is crashing in focal. There's probably a bug on our side there but I think I could quickly work around it if I could delete snapd's old binaries on riscv64: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2ZBtV7K5kP/ - what do you think of that?
[11:24] <Laney> I did try to retry that build but it just fails instantly with no log, have asked LP what's up with that
[11:25] <mvo> Laney: thanks for letting me know. it's fine to delete snapd on riscv64 for now
[11:26] <Laney> \m/
[11:31] <mup> PR snapd#9928 closed: boot: cmd/snap-bootstrap: handle a candidate recovery system <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <Closed by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9928>
[12:05] <pedronis> mvo: I'm confused by you rcomment in #9907, updates and install don't need to do the same thing (for now)
[12:05] <mup> PR #9907: gadget,devicestate: perform kernel asset update for $kernel: style refs <UC20> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9907>
[12:05] <pedronis> mvo: I commented there too
[12:07] <mvo> pedronis: thanks, looking
[12:08] <mvo> pedronis: aha, I see. sorry, well, I meant to look at this but I can remove the blocked for now
[12:08] <mvo> pedronis: sorry for the confusion
[12:09] <pedronis> mvo: well, we need to fix that but is relevant only for prepare-image
[12:09] <pedronis> making updates fully multi-volume is a much larger task
[12:11]  * mvo nods
[12:20] <pstolowski> re
[13:35] <pedronis> mvo: I made some comments in #9907
[13:35] <mup> PR #9907: gadget,devicestate: perform kernel asset update for $kernel: style refs <UC20> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9907>
[13:44] <mvo> pedronis: \o/ thank you
[13:49] <pedronis> mvo: it's missing unit tests about the new code also?
[13:49] <pedronis> mvo: I mean I don't see a lot of new tests in gadget and devicestate
[14:01] <mvo> pedronis: yes, lots more needed
[14:09] <abeato> mvo, pedronis fyi, this MR improves apparmor_parser runtime quite a bit, and when it lands, the `-O no-expr-simplify` parameter used by snapd will not be needed anymore (actually removing it will make things faster): https://gitlab.com/apparmor/apparmor/-/merge_requests/711
[14:10] <mvo> abeato: I saw the PR yesterday, it's very cool. what are the chances for this going upstream?
[14:10] <abeato> mvo, well, it's merged now :)
[14:10] <mvo> abeato: woah, nice
[14:36] <zyga> re
[14:36] <zyga> hey degville, long time no see :)
[14:36] <degville> zyga: hello!!! hope you're doing ok :)
[14:41] <zyga> degville I'm quite busy, not the holidays I was expecting :)
[14:41] <zyga> and working from home with kids and working wife is, challenging at times
[14:42] <zyga> but I'm good, learning a lot and driving a lot :)
[14:42] <zyga> I still use your mike :)
[14:59] <mvo> abeato: sorry, was in a meeting. this is great news. I guess we need to wait a bit with the rmeoval of no-expr-simplify until we have apparmor released widely enough with your improvement
[15:01] <abeato> mvo, sure it will take a bit of time indeed. There is some discussion in the MR about vendoring apparmor_parser, does that mean that snapd snap will include its own apparmor_parser binary?
[15:02] <mvo> abeato: I think that is what the security team suggested - to vendor apparmor_parser inside the snapd snap
[15:02] <abeato> mvo, interesting. Of course that will make easy to include this change.
[15:02] <mvo> yeah
[15:03] <abeato> that's great :)
[15:19] <degville> zyga: great to hear the mike is still being used! It's s shame we never got around to the podcast, but maybe one day :) And yeah, it's tough at home with the kids. It's the same here - this week they're holiday which is a useful respite.
[15:19] <zyga> degville I'm still open to doing a podcast at some point but now I'm just too busy to add anything new
[15:20] <degville> zyga: cool. Let's reconvene when everything has settled a little more :)
[15:43] <ijohnson> cachio: so I ran uc20-recovery external with my pi and it worked fine with snapd from stable, should I try candidate or beta of snapd next ?
[15:44] <cachio> ijohnson, yes, I can point you to the image I used
[15:44] <ijohnson> ah ok great
[16:03] <mup> Bug #1915642 changed: snapd: dbus avc permissions denied <Snappy:Fix Released by maciek-borzecki> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1915642>
[16:37]  * cachio lunch
[16:43] <mup> PR snapd#9792 closed: tests: enable ubuntu 21.04 for spread tests <Squash-merge> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9792>
[16:48] <mvo> cachio: hm, 9792 still gives me "2021-02-17 14:33:54 Cannot allocate google:ubuntu-21.04-64: cannot allocate new Google server google:ubuntu-21.04-64 (feb171430-514043): cannot find ready marker in console output for google:ubuntu-21.04-64 (feb171430-514043)" in the logs?
[16:52] <zyga> hey mvo
[16:52] <zyga> how is today?
[16:52] <zyga> I had a long day
[16:58] <mvo> zyga: same here
[16:58] <mvo> zyga: and it's not over yet
[16:58] <zyga> oh
[16:58] <zyga> I'm sorry, I'll let you work
[17:16] <cachio> mvo, yes, the problem in the image is not fixed
[17:16] <cachio> I'll ping cloud team
[17:16] <cachio> I already raise that problem
[17:18] <mup> PR snapd#9938 opened: daemon: move single snap querying and ops to api_snaps.go <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9938>
[18:06] <mvo> cachio: thank you!
[19:52] <cachio> ijohnson|lunch, hey, could you reproduce the errorr?
[20:32] <ijohnson> cachio: yeah actually it failed, it couldn't restore
[20:32] <ijohnson> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/05EN3tMb/
[20:48] <ijohnson> cachio: heh I seem to have finally reproduced that infinite mounting situation that broke the tpe server with this test a long time ago if you recall
[20:49] <ijohnson> maybe that's what is happening for your system too
[20:50] <cachio> nice
[20:50] <cachio> do you need the console for the vm?
[20:50] <ijohnson> no idea how this happened
[20:50] <ijohnson> cachio: I'll let you know, it will probably fail in a few minutes, so not quite yet
[20:50] <cachio> ijohnson, I remember that error
[20:57] <ijohnson> cachio: could you send me the console output from that gce instance now?
[20:57] <ijohnson> I think it should be stuck now, or if not it should be stuck soon
[20:57] <cachio> ijohnson, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wbHKhXbc57/
[21:00] <ijohnson> cachio: ah thanks that was super helpful, I think that the virtual disks in gce are weird/unexpected for my code
[21:01] <cachio> ahh, nice
[21:21]  * cachio afk+
[21:31] <ijohnson> cachio: when you get back can you send me the console output for feb172110-529289 ?
[22:15] <cachio> ijohnson, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qwpNhHbvPv/
[22:15] <cachio> sorry for the delay
[22:34] <ijohnson> cachio: no worries thanks for that info, also I reflashed my pi with your image and re-ran uc20-recovery and it worked, so I think there's some kind of race condition around the restoring process and if we hit that race condition there is some sort of infinite mount problem that makes the test fail
[22:37] <zyga> that mount be it
[22:37]  * zyga runs
[22:41] <ijohnson> haha
[22:47] <zyga> "infinte" mounts can happen when rbinding something that's not protected with unbidnable
[22:47] <ijohnson> mmm interesting
[22:47] <zyga> it's sadly copied, not "symlinked" so that does tend to explode
[22:48] <zyga> we do that in writable mimic logic IIRC
[22:48] <ijohnson> hmm but I'm not rbinding the mount
[22:48] <ijohnson> all I do is
[22:48] <ijohnson> sudo mount --bind /host/ubuntu-data/user-data/gopath /home/gopath
[22:49] <ijohnson> (where /home is on a tmpfs, not actually on ubuntu-data)
[22:49] <zyga> ijohnson I can only find https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/f9db38ed6d71d2c356bdf55297ddd1358223d397/cmd/snap-confine/mount-support.c#L239
[22:50] <zyga> I thought we also did this from snap-update-ns
[22:50] <ijohnson> this is the code
[22:50] <ijohnson> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/release/2.49/tests/core/uc20-recovery/task.yaml#L64-L72
[22:50] <ijohnson> oh unless you're saying maybe something from snapd is _also_ doing a bind mount on top of what my sshrc script is doing
[22:50] <zyga> why the /dev/null redirect?
[22:51] <ijohnson> just to not confuse ssh since this is run every time someone logs in over ssh
[22:51] <ijohnson> err rather
[22:51] <ijohnson> just to not confuse spread, since it logs in over ssh
[22:51] <zyga> wait?
[22:51] <zyga> every time?
[22:52] <ijohnson> uh yeah, but there should only be one command run this way, since the test logs in runs a check, then reboots to go back to run mode
[22:52] <zyga> did you try to a dd some guard?
[22:52] <zyga> not sure but I would definitely check
[22:52] <ijohnson> I could try that, but this is the first I've managed to reproduce it
[22:52] <zyga> I mean, it's super hard to know without seeing the kernel console
[22:52] <ijohnson> mmm I think I lost dmesg from that run
[22:52] <zyga> bonus points for forkstat logged over serial
[22:53] <ijohnson> but I can try and save that next time I see it
[22:53] <zyga> yeah, I'd love to have a look


[10:58] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:10] <plod> and good morning to you sir
[11:10] <plod> how art thou?
[11:12] <brobostigon> plod: not well, my allergies are playing up, nose running like a fountain , and you?
[11:43] <plod> :/
[11:43] <plod> very tired
[11:43] <plod> training twice a day getting to me
[11:44] <plod> but happy
[11:44] <plod> gutted for you and your allergies though :(
[11:46] <brobostigon> plod: thing is, i know it isnt the infection i have had the last few weeks, and that the anti-biotics have worked, as my nasel mucus has gone clear again, insted of being yellow.
[11:46] <plod> :( anything you can take stronger than antihistamines?
[11:47] <brobostigon> plod: not really. no.
[11:47] <plod> rubbish
[11:47] <plod> well thoughts are with you butt
[11:47] <brobostigon> :)
[21:53] <markjones> shwmae Mr__T
[23:18] <plod> shwmae


[02:15] <belkinsa> ahoneybun, any word for funding for OpenHelp?
[02:15] <ahoneybun> I can't make it
[02:16] <belkinsa> Bummer.
[02:16] <ahoneybun> I can't take the time
[02:16] <ahoneybun> yea major
[02:16] <belkinsa> Maybe next year?
[02:16] <ahoneybun> maybe
[02:16] <ahoneybun> but then I have to pick OpenHelp or FOSSETCON again
[02:17] <belkinsa> Do OpenHelp next year and switch off every other year if you liked it.
[02:18] <ahoneybun> yea true
[02:18] <ahoneybun> this year had to FOSSETCON as I have made promises
[02:18] <ahoneybun> and already had the funding
[02:18] <ahoneybun> plus my friend is speaking
[02:18] <belkinsa> Who? mhall119?
[02:19] <ahoneybun> no a friend who I got to speak as a keynote
[02:19] <belkinsa> Ah
[02:19] <ahoneybun> I know the guy behind fossetcon
[02:19]  * mhall119 pictures ahoneybun having RMS on speed-dial and just hanging out with him
[02:20] <ahoneybun> nah
[02:20] <ahoneybun> I want to show him the RMS Ubuntu Touch app XD
[02:20] <mhall119> heh
[02:20] <mhall119> Stallboard
[02:20] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I'm going to make it to the catchup btw
[02:20] <ahoneybun> it is on a day that I'm off thankfully
[02:21] <mhall119> great, it's so hard to get everybody together at the same day and time, but we should at least have a pretty good turnough
[02:21] <mhall119> turnout
[02:22] <ahoneybun> I'm not sure how many are making it but at least half the KC will try
[02:22] <mhall119> I think we'll have 2 or 3 from the CC there
[02:22] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I just made a Ubuntu Touch blogpost
[02:23] <ahoneybun> http://usefoss.com/index.php/2015/09/16/converting-to-ubuntu-touch/
[02:24] <mhall119> ahoneybun: nice
[02:25] <mhall119> the Google ecosystem lock-in is going to be hard for us to break
[02:26] <ahoneybun> if not impossible
[02:26] <ahoneybun> tbh
[02:27] <ahoneybun> I've really meant to try GPS
[02:27] <ahoneybun> but I've heard it did not work well on the N4
[02:28] <mhall119> I haven't had any success with GPS stuff on my N4
[02:28] <mhall119> I generally get accurate data these days, but it doesn't update
[02:28] <mhall119> GPS and cwayne's activity tracker both fail to update within about a minute
[02:28] <ahoneybun> that is the top thing for me as I travel a bit for events
[02:29] <mhall119> I've been told that the Bq and Meizu phones don't have this problem
[02:46] <ahoneybun> installing the sdk breaks my kubuntu machines so I've stayed away from dev mhall119
[06:21] <dholbach> good morning
[07:52] <elacheche> Morning LoCos!!! :)
[07:59] <Kilos> morning all
[11:18] <hades29> bonjour
[11:18] <elacheche> Bonjour hades29 :)
[11:19] <hades29> je cherche un renseignement a propos de ubuntu-gnome
[11:19] <elacheche> OK :) peut être je peux aider
[11:19] <hades29> peut etre :)
[11:19] <elacheche> Go ahead and ask hades29 :)
[11:20] <hades29> j'ai graver le  fichiers iso pour avoir un disque bootable
[11:20] <hades29> ensuite il y a des erreurs qui surviennent
[11:21] <elacheche> Tu dois  vérfiier 2 choses.. si le fichier ISO est le bon ISO :) → md5sum check
[11:21] <elacheche> Et verifer que t'as un bon CD/DVD → ou utiliser un USB c'est mieux :)
[11:23] <hades29> comment comparer le md5sum avec " l'oficiel
[11:23] <elacheche> Un instant :)
[11:23] <hades29> officiel*
[11:23] <elacheche> T'as téléchargé quel ISO?
[11:23] <elacheche> passe moi le nom du fichier :)
[11:25] <hades29> ubuntu-gnome-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:26] <hades29> actuellement je telecharge la version 14.04 amd64
[11:26] <elacheche> hades29, t'es sur Winfdows actuellemnt?
[11:26] <hades29> oui
[11:27] <elacheche> utilise http://winmd5.com/ pour trouver le md5sum de ton ISO
[11:27] <elacheche> Après compare le md5sum avec la valeur dans le lien http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/15.04/release/MD5SUMS
[11:27] <elacheche> Tu peux faire même chose pour 14.04 :)
[11:28] <elacheche> Je recommande que tu grave le ISO sur un USB http://unetbootin.github.io/ de cette façon tu peux re-créer le USB bootable si tu utilise un mauvais ISO :)
[11:28] <elacheche> hades29, T'as pas visité #ubuntu-fr ?
[11:29] <hades29> j'ai pris le fichier 15.04 sur la page officiel
[11:29] <hades29> anglaise
[11:30] <hades29> resultat du test ..... not match :(
[11:30] <elacheche> Re-telecharge le ISO :)
[11:30]  * elacheche BRB
[11:31] <hades29> brb !!! ?
[11:46] <hades29> qu'estce que tu entend par BRB ?
[12:11] <elacheche> re
[13:28] <mhall119> ahoneybun: is that because you're running bleeding-edge KDE packages, or is there a conflict in stable packages?
[19:38] <elacheche_anis> o/ all :)
[19:38] <elacheche_anis> mhall119: You're arround?
[19:39] <mhall119> elacheche_anis: I am
[19:41] <elacheche_anis> Oh! Hey!
[19:43] <elacheche_anis> So, about the CC.. As I can understand all current CC will expire, so if we have all new CC members, who'll mentor the new members how to do things the right way? Or they are supposed to don't this that!
[19:43] <elacheche_anis> mhall119: :)
[19:43] <pleia2> elacheche_anis: there are always several incumbents
[19:44] <pleia2> I've served 3 terms on the CC, not running again this time, but I'm sure some others will :)
[19:45] <mhall119> elacheche_anis: ^^ what pleia2 said, if existing members are re-elected there will be continuity. Also Mark is always going to be on the CC, so even if all the elected seats are filled by new people, he can guide them
[19:46] <elacheche_anis> Awesome :D This way I can be more confortable thinking about applying x) :D
[19:47] <mhall119> elacheche_anis: also, it's not like we're all going to disappear from the community, you can always ask former members for advice
[19:47] <elacheche_anis> I hate it when I need to learn everything by myself from scratch, especially community related stuff! I had that hard experience when I joined my LoCo leaders team..
[19:48] <elacheche_anis> Great thx mhall119 & pleia2 for the advice :D :)
[19:48] <mhall119> no problem :)
[19:48] <elacheche_anis> Ah! BTW, MB members can apply too?
[19:48] <elacheche_anis> :D
[19:49] <mhall119> any Ubuntu Member is eligible
[19:49] <elacheche_anis> Great :) :)
[19:49] <elacheche_anis> thx