[00:01] <poolie> spiv, hope you get well soon
[00:01] <kgoetz> win 2
[00:01] <abentley> poolie: Sure.
[00:27] <kees> how long should doing a "bzr upgrade" on a bzr+ssh URL take?
[00:27] <lifeless> time to pull fully, time to push fully, roughly
[00:28] <lifeless> faster if there is an optimised case for it
[00:28] <kees> lifeless: ah, so it pulls, does the work locally, then pushes?
[00:30] <kees> okay, strace shows that now... the upstream bandwidth was so low I wasn't seeing it my monitors.  :P
[00:30] <kees> the progress bar isn't very helpful.  :)
[00:55] <nDuff> AttributeError: 'SvnWorkingTree' object has no attribute '_transport' (in bzrlib.workingtree.WorkingTree.read_basis_inventory) trying to branch from a svn repo into a bzr one.
[00:55] <nDuff> bzr 1.6, bzr-svn 0.4.12
[00:56] <nDuff> (ubuntu packages, with http://ppa.launchpad.net/bzr/ubuntu)
[00:58] <nDuff> ...hrm; looks like the branch operation succeeded; no working tree generated, but "bzr update" in the target location fixes that...
[00:59] <nDuff> ...and "bzr check" claims everything's in good shape.
[01:04] <lifeless> nDuff: please file a bug
[01:04] <lifeless> nDuff: I suspect you did branch <svntree> NEWPATH
[01:04] <lifeless> and its probably not tested by bzr-svn's test suite
[01:04] <nDuff> where NEWPATH was under a preexisting shared repository
[01:04] <nDuff> ...but yes.
[01:04] <markh> we need an appeals process for reviews! ;)
[01:06] <lifeless> markh: we have one; Reply.
[01:07] <jml> or more reviewers :)
[01:08] <markh> yeah, but if the complaint is about stylistic issues, hitting reply will just start a huge debate about stylistic issues...
[01:09] <lifeless> markh: a review is a dialog, no more no less
[01:09] <markh> I guess I mean the vote then
[01:09] <lifeless> if a particular reviewer feels that some stylistic issue is sufficiently important to make it a requirement to land...
[01:10] <lifeless> then either a) they are right, or b) they are wrong - and either way we should discuss it
[01:10] <lifeless> an 'appeals process' sounds like a formalised huge debate IMO :)
[01:10] <markh> or I should just stop complining, submit to the request and re-re-submit
[01:10] <markh> and sigh :)
[01:10] <lifeless> I'm happy to give my opinion if you tell me the thread
[01:25] <nDuff> ...filed as bug 264548
[01:27] <lifeless> nDuff: thanks
[01:33] <jml> jam: still around?
[01:36] <poolie> hello jml
[01:36] <poolie> do you still have teeth? are you back in sydney?
[01:38] <jml> poolie: some. no.
[01:38] <jml> poolie: back late tomorrow
[01:39] <poolie> robert and andrew were going to work here on friday and then maybe go to the pub, you're welcome to come if you want (to either part)
[01:39] <jml> poolie: I'll be landing at about 10:30pm
[01:39] <jml> but thanks for the invite :)
[01:39] <poolie> maybe next time
[01:55] <jml> internet!
[02:04] <RAOF> Is yours?
[02:16] <strk> know a trick to check history of a single file ?
[02:16] <strk> with 'viz' preferably
[02:16] <strk> to easily check actual diffs between revs
[02:25] <lifeless> abentley: does bb match the /exact/ sender field, or only the email portion ?
[02:25] <abentley> lifeless: The exact sender field.
[02:25] <lifeless> strk: well, log -v FILE is probably close to what you want
[02:26] <lifeless> strk: I don't think viz has a per-file mode at the moment
[02:26] <lifeless> abentley: oh. can you tweak an email address in bb for me then? user adri
[02:26] <lifeless> strk: folk generally use annotate though, to look at a file
[02:27] <abentley> lifeless: Sure.
[02:27] <lifeless> abentley: Adrian Chadd<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:27] <lifeless> I had just put in the email component
[02:27] <poolie> strk, with gannotate you can doubleclick lines to see the diff iirc
[02:27] <poolie> it would be nice to get viz too
[02:28] <strk> wow, annotate got to my conclusion in a shot
[02:33] <poolie> great
[02:35] <abentley> lifeless: Done.  Note that it is an exact match, so I used "Adrian Chadd"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:36] <lifeless> thanks
[03:57] <lifeless> back soon, shopping run
[05:29] <lifeless> poolie: hi, I've reviewed the locks hook patch john said resubmit: to; I'm also asking for resubmit.
[05:55] <poolie> lifeless: my patch?
[05:57] <lifeless> I wrote a patch to hook locks
[05:57] <lifeless> you updated it
[05:57] <lifeless> I needed it today, and realised it was still unmerged
[05:57] <poolie> now you want me to update it again and resubmit it?
[05:58] <lifeless> I'm happy to do the update
[05:58] <lifeless> we need to agree on how it should look though
[05:59] <poolie> ok, i'm just preparing to send something then will look at it
[06:00] <poolie> so
[06:01] <poolie> my patch makes these hooks inconsistent with the other ones
[06:01] <poolie> i agree the inconsistency is bad, and um
[06:01] <poolie> to some extent the lack of testing is bad, though iirc the way it was done in the old code was not tested either
[06:02] <poolie> i think the existing interface is both a bit unsafe and longwinded, but
[06:02] <lifeless> the old code doesn't try 'restore to pristine' or clone a hooks object
[06:02] <lifeless> uhm, anyhow
[06:02] <poolie> yeah, anyhow
[06:02] <poolie> let's not block this on changing that
[06:03] <poolie> so, i think at least having specific names for that behaviour lets you think about changing it
[06:03] <poolie> s/changing/testing
[06:28] <poolie> lifeless: mini review sought of http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/43261/
[06:31] <lifeless> poolie: looks good
[06:31] <poolie> great
[06:32] <poolie> anything missing?
[06:32] <poolie> well, before you start
[06:32] <poolie> anything missing that people are likely to misunderstand
[06:34] <lifeless> nothing comes to mind
[06:34] <lifeless> bbiab
[06:34] <poolie> kthx
[06:37] <j00bar> howdy! I'm a total bzr n00b and really just want to accomplish one thing. i'd like to checkout only a subdirectory of the trunk. this is easy with other vcs' like svn -- can it be done with bzr?
[06:37] <Spaz> j00bar, you can't do that yet
[06:37] <Spaz> j00bar, it will be possible in a few versions or so
[06:37] <Spaz> sorry
[06:38] <Spaz> j00bar, if the subdirectory is a branch, however
[06:38] <Spaz> then you can
[06:38] <j00bar> bugger.
[06:38] <j00bar> it's a python project where the subdir has the actual code and the branch root has INSTALL, README, etc that i don't really want -- with SVN or other systems, i just check out the subdir and update as needed...
[06:38] <Spaz> j00bar, most DVCS's you'll find don't support partial checkouts yet
[06:39] <j00bar> but if it can't be done, it can't be done -- no worries -- thanks!!!
[06:39] <Spaz> np
[06:56] <vila> Goood morning Bazaar
[07:50] <lifeless> hi visik7
[07:50] <lifeless> meh
[07:50] <lifeless> hi vila
[07:51] <vila> hi :)
[07:51] <visik7> :P
[07:53] <lifeless> brane is flied
[07:53]  * lifeless halts()
[10:59] <jdahlin> I'm having a problem with bzr-svn 0.4 and bzr 1.5 shipped with fedora
[10:59] <jdahlin> This is written to my .bzr.log: AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'properties_handler_registry'
[11:08] <james_w> jdahlin: you have a mismatch between bzr-svn and bzr versions
[11:08] <james_w> I think your bzr-svn is too new
[11:08] <jdahlin> yeah, I reverted a few commits and it appears to work now
[11:33] <awilkins> Hmm, strk has gone
[11:33] <awilkins> qlog has a per-file mode
[11:50] <awilkins> markh: Hi there, are you building the bzr-svn extensions for windows?
[11:51] <awilkins> markh: I've got a build error, did you run into this - error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _svn_auth_get_windows_ssl_server_trust_provider referenced in function _get_windows_ssl_server_trust_provider
[11:59] <awilkins> Never mind, looks like it's a "no longer supports svn 1.4 libraries" thing
[13:00] <AnMaster> I have two questions: 1) what is "subtree support" 2) what is "rich root". Both are mentioned in bzr help formats, but I have been unable to find anything more detailed, like what it actually means
[13:00] <AnMaster> and yes I have tried google
[13:13] <sabdfl> AnMaster: they are related, iirc
[13:13] <sabdfl> subtrees are when you have a branch, which in turn incorporates another branch
[13:14] <sabdfl> subtrees let you manage that better
[13:14] <AnMaster> um you mean like svn:external?
[13:14] <AnMaster> or something else?
[13:14] <sabdfl> i think so, yes
[13:14] <AnMaster> ah ok
[13:14] <sabdfl> rich roots are where there is a unique ID associated with the branch root, iirc
[13:14] <sabdfl> it's a watershed - once you move the branch to a rich root format, you can't go back
[13:15] <sabdfl> and generally, it should only be done once across a community, iirc
[13:15] <sabdfl> so we haven't yet made it the default
[13:15] <sabdfl> abentley would know more
[13:16] <AnMaster> hm ok
[13:19] <abentley> sabdfl, AnMaster: The relationship is that rich roots are a prerequisite for subtrees support.  But it turns out they're also useful for bzr-svn, which is why we provide formats supporting them.
[13:19] <AnMaster> hm ok
[13:20] <AnMaster> abentley, so subtree is basically same as svn:externals?
[13:20] <abentley> AnMaster: Yes, but that feature isn't finished yet.
[13:20] <AnMaster> right
[13:22] <AnMaster> anyway that is not a feature I need, features I need/want are: 1) cherrypicking like darcs 2) faster push/pull for huge repos (close to git's speed preferred, but with the usability of bzr) 2) something like svn:eol-style
[13:23] <AnMaster> err make the last one 3) heh
[13:26] <abentley> AnMaster: We want to improve cherrypicking support, but we don't want to implement it the way Darcs does.  Their approach to patch handling leads to performance and integrity problems.
[13:26] <AnMaster> hm ok
[13:26] <pickscrape> I'm having a problem with the trac-bzr source browser, and I'd like a little help in debugging it.
[13:26] <abentley> The other two are currently in development.
[13:28] <pickscrape> My trac install consists of a plain directory containing a number of shared repositories with branches beneath them.
[13:28] <pickscrape> When browsing the root of one of the branches, I get an error like this: NoSuchRevision: KnitPackRepository('file:///path_to_shared_repo/.bzr/repository/') has no revision (revision)
[13:29] <pickscrape> Is there any way I can find out why the browser thinks it needs that revision? The repository and branch seem to be working fine in general use.
[13:29] <AnMaster> abentley, basically I need to merge bugfixes back to a stable branch from trunk (and sometimes the other way too), bzr can't handle keeping track of what revisions have been merged and what ones haven't.
[13:29] <AnMaster> not when you skip some non-bugfix revisions in the merging
[13:30] <abentley> Right.  We do want to add that, though no one is currently working on it.
[13:31] <AnMaster> well I would if I was a python programmer
[13:32]  * awilkins wasn't a Python programmer before he started scratching his own issues on Bazaar, but appreciates not everyone has the time to take out on solving problems in other projects
[13:34] <awilkins> For me the choice was - use SVN and implement my own merge tracking or - use Bazaar and resolve any other issues you might confront
[13:34] <awilkins> So far I'm _very_ glad I chose Bazaar
[13:34] <AnMaster> awilkins, at least I don't have time before next summer holidays
[13:35] <awilkins> AnMaster: What you are wanting is the tracking of cherry-picks
[13:36] <awilkins> AnMaster: Have you tried a different merge algorithm? You may get more joy with something like --weave
[13:37] <radix> AnMaster: if you make the bug fixes in the stable branch first, you can continuously merge the stable to the trunk
[13:37]  * awilkins was just about to say that too
[13:37] <radix> there's a page about this somewhere
[13:37] <radix> I can't remember what it's called
[13:38] <radix> anmaster: here it is: http://www.venge.net/mtn-wiki/DaggyFixes
[13:41] <awilkins> So a combination of "bisect" to test for the bug presence, a branch, and a forward-merge (to both the stable bugfixing branch and the trunk) might work more cleanly (but is obviously slightly more of a PITA)
[13:44] <AnMaster> hm will try that
[13:46] <awilkins> Thanks for asking, I like learning new ways of doing things :-)
[13:51] <pickscrape> Is there a command to check for the presence of a revision ID is a shared repository (or something I can use to achieve the same)?
[13:52] <awilkins> bzr revision-info -r revid:<myrevid>   ?
[13:52] <awilkins> Hmm, not sure about the shared repo bit
[13:53] <pickscrape> Yeah, it complains about it not being a branch
[13:54] <fullermd> You could stat -c it.  revision-info will blow up if that rev isn't in the current branch.
[13:55] <fullermd> (other similar things like diff or testament would work too)
[13:55] <pickscrape> Thing is, I don't know which branch the revision was been created against :)
[13:55] <pickscrape> was been?
[13:55] <abentley> pickscrape: it doesn't matter.
[13:56] <fullermd> (of course, revision-info should be a little more polite about failing, but that's neither here nor there)
[13:57] <awilkins> If stat and diff work with revid: (regardless of branch) then so should revision-info IMHO
[13:57] <pickscrape> Oh, so it will search the entire shared repo regardless of whether the revision in question is a part of the branch's history or not?
[13:57] <abentley> pickscrape: Yes.
[13:57] <pickscrape> Sweet, thanks.
[13:57] <fullermd> awilkins: Well, but revision-info wants to show the revid.
[13:58] <fullermd> awilkins: Er, I mean 'revno'.
[13:58] <fullermd> That fares poorly when the revision isn't in the branch...
[13:59] <awilkins> Ugh, yes
[14:00] <pickscrape> Thanks all, that's confirmed my theory. The revision that trac-bzr is complaining about exists in one of the other shared repositories.
[14:00] <pickscrape> So the next question would be, why would it be picking up that revision in the first place...
[14:03] <EarthLion> how can you commit with sub revision numbers e.g. revision no 7.3
[14:03] <EarthLion> if i do bzr commit -m "blah" it always gives me a whole number
[14:04] <EarthLion> the help doesn't have any info on this
[14:04] <awilkins> EarthLion: Sub numbers are always nested revisions of merges
[14:04] <awilkins> EarthLion: Revisions committed on the branch you are on are always single integers
[14:05] <EarthLion> awilkins:  "Sub numbers are always nested revisions of merges" can you explain what that means
[14:06] <awilkins> EarthLion: revisions numbers with more than one component are used to identify the revisions that are part of merges from other branches
[14:06] <awilkins> You cannot commit revisions with more than one number in the branch you are working on
[14:06] <EarthLion> ah ok i see thanks for explaining
[14:43] <jelmer> awilkins, ping
[14:48] <ericvw> I am still a bit confused between bzr init and bzr init-repo for an initial project; can someone give me why I would use bzr init-repo to start a project vs bzr init?
[14:48] <fullermd> Oh, well, that's easy.  You wouldn't   :)
[14:48] <ericvw> haha
[14:49] <fullermd> init creates a branch, that you have files in and work in.  init-repo creates a repository, that a set of branches can use to share common history.
[14:49] <uws> ericvw: init-repo only makes sense if you plan to have multiple branches and want to use shared storage for them
[14:49] <uws> ericvw: but you can always convert later (trivial)
[14:49] <uws> ericvw: (just branch your branch into a repository and you're done)
[14:50] <fullermd> uws: Or use reconfigure   :)
[14:50] <ericvw> uws: So if I had a branch with bzr init, and I decided to create a repository and wanted to add that solo branch to the repository what command should I look into?
[14:51] <ericvw> But for individual or small peer use, I could probably get away with a init-rep
[14:51] <ericvw> init-repo*
[14:51] <fullermd> ericvw: You'd need to init-repo in a parent dir of your branch (or alternately, init-repo somewhere and move that branch into a subdir of it), then use reconfigure --use-shared.
[14:52] <ericvw> fullermd: ok, I will experiment with this, thanks!
[14:52] <fullermd> ericvw: init-repo doesn't give you somewhere to work; it's not an alternative to init.  It's a potential enhancement for some use-cases.
[14:52] <ericvw> so in contrast to svn, the definition of repo is something different, right?
[14:53] <fullermd> If you only ever have one branch, it doesn't gain you anything.  If a project is tiny, you probably wouldn't be able to notice what it gains.
[14:53] <fullermd> Well...   yes, and no, and totally, and kinda.
[14:53] <ericvw> yeah, that is what threw me for a loop at first
[14:54] <fullermd> init-repo doesn't [shouldn't] change anything about how any commands work.
[14:54] <fullermd> There's no semantic difference between doing $SOMETHING among two branches that are in the same shared repo, doing $SOMETHING among two branches in different shared repos, doing $SOMETHING among two branches neither of which is in a shared repo, etc.
[14:55] <ericvw> ok, i think i am getting the concept now,  I will have to re-read the guide again to get a better understanding
[14:55] <fullermd> For the purposes of initial experimentation, you can forget init-repo even exists.
[14:55] <fullermd> You can switch to using it (or away from using it) on a given project at the drop of a hat.
[14:56] <ericvw> fullermd: thanks for the explanations and help!
[14:56] <ericvw> uws: you too as well :D
[15:03] <ericvw> I am a little confused in doc-guide section 4.2.2 It talks about creating a repo and then grabbing a branch from someone else...; so in a 2 person environment, you may each have your own repo with a branch within it?
[15:06] <abentley> ericvw: It is possible to do that, but the whole point of a shared repo is to put branches in it.
[15:07] <ericvw> abentley: ok, thanks
[15:09] <jelmer> when did bzr branch including tree generation get so freakingly fast?
[15:11] <zbrown> jelmer: I think in 1.5 or 1.6
[15:11] <abentley> jelmer: That was a bit of a team effort with ianc.
[15:11] <abentley> We're currently hamstrung by poor index performance, though.
[15:12] <abentley> I would *like* to be competitive with cp, at least in a shared repo.
[15:12] <zbrown> I was quite impressed
[15:12] <zbrown> and still am ;)
[15:13] <zbrown> I still shudder to think what managing wine's repo in bzr would be like though
[15:21] <jelmer> abentley, Thanks, it's now at least quick enough to "feel" instantaneous on non-huge trees
[15:29] <gour> any idea why attempt to push from laptop to desktop machine fails - see log http://rafb.net/p/okZ1bY72.html
[15:30] <gour> zbrown: don't know about wine's repo, but from today my machines are m$ free - i was finally able to make some proprietary folio infobase running under wine - no need for Virtualbox & similar emulators any longer :-D
[15:32] <abentley> gour: could you try bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:32] <abentley> Sorry, skip the end.
[15:33] <abentley> bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:40] <gour> abentley: same - http://rafb.net/p/pwZZw175.html
[15:40] <gour> let me check if i push to the right dir
[15:42] <abentley> gour: cfgfiles looks like it already has a repository.  Is that intentional?
[15:42] <gour> hmm, the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has the following format -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:43] <gour> oops, http://rafb.net/p/3c0gT377.html
[15:43] <gour> and bzr upgrade says: The branch format Bazaar-NG meta directory, format 1 is already at the most recent format.
[15:44]  * gour thinks that having less supported formats would be better
[15:44] <abentley> gour: Right.  Rich-roots are not a default format.
[15:44] <abentley> gour: Talk to Jelmer.
[15:46] <gour> abentley: ok. explicit upgrade to --rich-root-pack solved it
[15:49] <gour> anyone responsible for bzr-gtk here?
[15:53] <gour> ohh, it seems we solved it...
[16:04] <zbrown> gour: haha, well I'm glad to hear it :). We (the wine contributors) are pleased with how far wine has come in the last few months
[16:09] <gour> zbrown: i was dreaming several years to become 100% free. used win4lin, vmware, vbox...all bloatware
[16:12] <abentley> zbrown: Do you know offhand how well Wine supports Adobe Premiere?
[16:17] <zbrown> abentley: can't say I do know
[16:18] <zbrown> abentley: reports seem to indicate its not that great though
[16:18] <zbrown> gour: Eh I hardly find vmware to be bloatware
[16:19] <zbrown> gour: at least on my laptopt, its very responsive, not quite "real system" but its still better than most
[16:19] <abentley> zbrown: Too bad.  I have a friend who wants to use Ubuntu, but must use Premiere.
[16:21] <zbrown> abentley: its getting there, its just not all the way there yet
[16:22] <zbrown> hard to hit a moving target like Microsoft :)
[16:27] <gour> zbrown: bloatware in the sense that i required the whole OS to run single apps for which there is no native-linux replacement
[16:27] <abentley> zbrown: But most applications are backwards-compatible with XP or 2000, no?
[16:29] <Toksyuryel`> microsoft is a moving target? if anything they're moving backwards and making things constantly easier for us
[16:36] <zbrown> Toksyuryel`: not when you're trying to emulate (sometimes broken) behaviors of the OS that applications depend on
[16:37] <zbrown> abentley: What are you particularly referring to? As of right now, emulation in wine is targeted for NT 5 series
[16:37] <zbrown> so 2000, XP and 2003 are the main goals
[16:37] <zbrown> granted XP is the focus
[16:37] <abentley> zbrown: So those targets haven't moved for 5 years.
[16:38] <zbrown> abentley: API's change with service packs and security releases ;)
[16:38] <zbrown> abentley: not to mention the api is just way huge
[16:38] <Toksyuryel`> zbrown: oh, I get what you're saying now
[16:39] <abentley> zbrown: That I can certainly agree with.
[16:39] <zbrown> Its only hard because there's maybe 20-30 regular contributors, probably <20
[16:39] <zbrown> and MS has thousands of people changing things on us ;)
[17:11] <ericvw> Odd question, it doesn't make sense to have a repo with checkouts within it does it on a local development environment?
[17:12] <ericvw> I understand the using shared storage for 2+ branches in a shared-repo in a development environment.
[17:37] <jelmer> abentley, speaking of which..
[17:38] <jelmer> abentley, What's the latest status in your discussion with Robert about rich-root-pack as default?
[17:38] <abentley> jelmer: We haven't talked about it in months.
[17:39] <jelmer> oh, ok. I thought I saw something about it recently
[18:01] <jelmer> awilkins, ping
[18:07] <ericvw> Did anyone happen to answer my question when I left temporarily?
[18:09] <vila> jelmer: ping, did you see my mail about 'Re: transport implementation test scenarios and rabbit-holing' ?
[18:10] <vila> jelmer: there are two questions for you (search for jelmer in the body :)
[18:17] <jelmer> I only see the email from mwh
[18:30] <LarstiQ> jmm, ericvw quit just a bit too early
[18:36] <vila> jelmer: strange, I replied and added you in CC your email @samba.org is still valid ?
[18:36] <LarstiQ> jelmer: maybe it's not in the bzr folder
[18:46] <jelmer> vila, LarstiQ: nope
[18:53] <ericvw> What is the primary difference between checkouts and branches?
[18:56] <vila> jelmer: here is a digest just for you http://paste.ubuntu.com/43429/  :D
[18:57] <jelmer> vila, which python-kerberos did you install?
[18:58] <jelmer> you'll need at least 1.0+svn2455-1
[19:00] <jelmer> vila, you have a kerberos environment?
[19:06] <jjesse> good afternoon, i'm working on setting up a bzr branch of a subversion checkout, how do i go about ignoring all the .svn directories under the different folders?
[19:07] <jjesse> i think i need to edit a .bzrignore file but not quite sure i need to do
[19:08] <jam> jjesse: "bzr ignore .svn" should be sufficient
[19:09] <Spaz> yeah
[19:09] <jjesse> jam thanks
[19:09] <ericvw> when doing a checkout, does the .bzr have the same characteristics as branch since i can bind/unbind?
[19:21] <ericvw> In the 1.1 project/trunk layout design, are those 'container' directories branches or just folders?
[19:45] <jelmer> vila, hi
[19:45] <jelmer> vila, ?
[19:57] <jam> just a reminder to beuno, jelmer, vila, et al. Today is bug day
[19:58] <jam> please triage, fix, and otherwise do interesting stuff to the bug tracker
[19:58] <jam> (I know Jelmer did work last weekend, but *today* is the official bug day)
[19:58] <beuno> jam, cool!  bug day finally happened!  I like you as release manager  :)
[20:09] <jam> oddly enough, I'll actually have released 3 versions in a row
[20:09] <jam> I released 1.5
[20:09] <jam> and then accidentally inherited 1.6
[20:09] <jam> and now I'll be doing 1.7
[20:09] <jam> :)
[20:10] <beuno> jam, and doing a great job at it, really
[20:10] <jam> I'll say I'm more comfortable with it now that I've done 7-ish actual releases :)
[20:10] <jam> Peng: so if you count 1.6.1rc2 + 1.6rc5 you could claim rc7 :)
[20:11] <LarstiQ> oh there is a bug day?
[20:12] <LarstiQ> gah, why does ericvw keep disappearing!
[20:38] <theuiguy> I'm doing some code cleanup in a source tree and I'm trying to understand the subtleties of bzr rm versus just rm.
[20:38] <theuiguy> I want the code to still be available using bzr log / bzr diff / etc.
[20:39] <theuiguy> Is there a difference between the two: bzr rm vs. rm?
[20:40] <theuiguy> bzr status shows files as removed using either command.
[20:41] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: you could bzr rm --keep and still have the actual file, but removed from a version control point of view.
[20:41] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: bzr rm is explicit, just rm is implicit.
[20:42] <theuiguy> LarstiQ: I think I want the opposite -- I want the file removed from my tree, but still have it in version control if I ever need to go back to it.
[20:42] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: well, you still need to commit.
[20:43] <theuiguy> It seems like just rm is what I should use.
[20:43] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: with any (rm, bzr rm, bzr rm --keep), after you commit that file won't show up anymore, but still be present in historical revisions.
[20:44] <theuiguy> LarstiQ: Are you sure? That's not what I'm seeing at the moment, admittedly before I commit
[20:44] <theuiguy> If I do rm, I can still do bzr log FILENAME and see FILENAME's history
[20:44] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: I'm very sure, but I could be more precise about "won't show up"
[20:45] <theuiguy> but with bzr rm, it doesn't show the history anymore
[20:46] <theuiguy> LarstiQ: Please do be more precise... I want to understand this
[20:48] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: right, so the difference between bzr rm and rm *before commit* is that because the plain rm is implicit, the file will only not be in the inventory after you committed. Whilst bzr rm has a bit more info and can already do that.
[20:48] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: they'll be exactly the same after you commit.
[20:49] <Snaury__> jelmer: see my patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/263570
[20:49] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: all revisions henceforward will not have that file in their inventory. It might still be in your tree if you did bzr rm --keep, but status will say it is an unkown file.
[20:49] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: if you do a fresh checkout, or remove the file and then revert to a revision, the file will not be recreated.
[20:49] <theuiguy> LarstiQ: So after commit, how would I be able to look at the history of the file? I'd have to revert?
[20:49] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: however, if you revert to a revision before it was removed, the file _will_ be created in your working tree.
[20:50] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: hmm, it seems there might be a regression there.
[20:50] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: you should be able to provide a file path that doesn't match the current state, but a historical one.
[20:50] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: you could always revert, yes
[20:50] <theuiguy> LarstiQ: It's probably just our older version of bzr
[20:51] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: or say, use bzr cat -r rev to see how that file looked in a certain revision.
[20:51] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: what part of the history of that file are you interested in seeing?
[20:52] <theuiguy> LarstiQ: Well, I'm doing some code cleanup in our tree... files that I don't think we'll ever need again
[20:52] <theuiguy> but I want to be sure I can get back to them if we ever need them
[20:53] <theuiguy> bzr rm scared me because the behavior before commit makes it look like the files are completely gone.
[20:53] <theuiguy> including all knowledge of what went on in prior revisions
[20:53] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: I can see that, but I can reassure you that is not the case.
[20:54] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: so I think that is a ui bug that needs to fixed to be less scary.
[20:55] <theuiguy> Is it a recent addition that you should be able to provide a historic path to see history?
[20:55] <theuiguy> as in bzr log -r OLDFILE
[20:55] <theuiguy> with some revision information of course
[20:56] <theuiguy> Or does that not currently work?
[20:56] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: it doesn't do that on my recent copies. So either it used to be possible, or I misremeber wrong.
[20:56] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: but it works for cat
[20:58] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: I think I was confused with cat.
[20:58] <theuiguy> hmm... so it does work for cat?
[20:58] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: but I still think it might be a nice feature. Although I acknowledge it can be tricky to infer what the user means.
[20:58] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: yes
[20:58] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: bzr cat -r <rev with file> path/to/file
[20:59] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: should work even with path/to/file not existing in the current revision.
[20:59] <theuiguy> ah... it'd be nice if log could do something like it ending with "deleted in revsion X"
[21:00] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: well, removed is relatively simple
[21:00] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: but consider files that are moved around.
[21:00] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: especially if you swap files a and b
[21:01] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: what does 'bzr log -r rev a' mean?
[21:01] <theuiguy> LarstiQ: So let me see if I understand: bzr rm or rm both say remove this file as soon as I commit this and don't track it any more
[21:01] <theuiguy> but ...
[21:01] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: give me the information for the file that is currently at path a, or the one that was at a in that revision?
[21:01] <theuiguy> they are still in revision history for previous versions
[21:01] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: exactly.
[21:02] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: bzr very rarely destroys history
[21:03] <theuiguy> LarstiQ: that's very reassuring. Thanks!
[21:03] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: and if it does, always on explicit user request (bzr rebase for instance)
[21:03] <theuiguy> LarstiQ: It doesn't seem like bzr handles the simple case where there's nothing there in the current revision
[21:04] <theuiguy> Is rebase built in now? Or still a plugin?
[21:04] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: you mean, bzr log foo when foo isn't present?
[21:04] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: plugin
[21:04] <theuiguy> LarstiQ: yes
[21:06] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: right, it's relatively straightforward in the case where there only ever was one file with that name.
[21:06] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: in the other case, maybe log should be more interactive, and present you with a list of different files that had that name, and ask which one you want.
[21:06] <theuiguy> It could be helpful to know
[21:06] <theuiguy> especially if there are file renames in there
[21:07] <theuiguy> Or perhaps just show renames in and out of that filename...
[21:07] <theuiguy> with the log only showing what was there at various revisions
[21:08] <LarstiQ> renames would be the common case of that problem, it's also possible to just do serial adds and removes.
[21:10] <theuiguy> LarstiQ: So the difference in behavior before commit between bzr rm and rm is accidental, right?
[21:11] <LarstiQ> theuiguy: I don't know for sure, but the difference sounds logical to me. It's not of much significance though.
[21:13] <chadmiller> Hi all.  On the server where my canonical trees are, I wish to have some code that marks bugs as updated when branches are pushed-to with revisions that mention those bugs.  My current idea involves cron, but I'm having trouble.
[21:14] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: you're not using --fixes?
[21:14] <chadmiller> It looks (I think) like merges can rearrange my trees so that merely keeping track of the last-seen revision-id and constucting a list from that to the end is not sufficient to know what to update.
[21:15] <chadmiller> LarstiQ: No.  I perhaps could, but I don't think that solves my problem.
[21:15] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: it doesn't, but makes the detecting of fixed bugs less iffy.
[21:15] <LarstiQ> so, on to the actual problem.
[21:15] <chadmiller> I don't have a problem with that.
[21:16] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: you'll probably want to know if the last seen revision-id is in the ancestry of the tip, instead of in the revision-history of the branch.
[21:16] <chadmiller> We're really good about the format.  [Bb]ug\s*#\s*\d+
[21:16] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: and no one mentions them unless they're actually fixed?
[21:16] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: are you averse to using bzrlib for this?
[21:16] <chadmiller> LarstiQ: (yes.  The format is no problem.)
[21:17] <chadmiller> LarstiQ: I'm not averse, but I am daunted.
[21:18] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: I'm not sure how I'd do it otherwise. But I could be warped by knowing bzrlib ;)
[21:18] <chadmiller> LarstiQ: So, to be clear.  When cron fires off some program every minute, I only need an updated tree and a revision id of the last-seen revision-id?
[21:19] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: yes, I think that would be enough information to figure out the rest from.
[21:19] <chadmiller> I don't need the structure of the last tree, or a list of previous revisions ever seen?
[21:19] <chadmiller> Hmm, okay.
[21:19] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: well.
[21:20] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: unless people uncommit or push --overwrite.
[21:20] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: but if they use merge, that would be ok.
[21:20] <chadmiller> Eh, hm.  We can trust that no one will commit, push, uncommit, push.
[21:20] <LarstiQ> good :)
[21:20] <chadmiller> Or use --overwrite.
[21:52] <vila> jelmer: sorry, I was away afk far longer than I thought, I just have 1.0-1 (hardy) so I think you answered my question
[21:57] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: sorry, I've been dragged to do other things.
[22:00] <chadmiller> LarstiQ: It's okay.  I'm still wrapping my head around the problem.  Of the solution, you suggest a new program that imports bzrlib.  It takes a parameter, the revision id, and inspects a branch.  It somehow (!?) emits the log messages of all revisions that were not present before the time when the given revision id was at the tip.  Right?
[22:01] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: yes
[22:01] <chadmiller> Wow.  I have to come up with a test case first.  Then I'll start on the Hard Party.
[22:01] <chadmiller> Wow.  I have to come up with a test case first.  Then I'll start on the Hard Part.
[22:04] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: it may not be enough, but you could try something like
[22:06] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: well, basically bzrlib.log.show_changed_revisions as seen in cmd_pull
[22:06]  * chadmiller looks.
[22:07] <hgr3> I am having problems applying a patch with "bzr patch", I just keep getting bzr: ERROR: Error invoking patch: No such file or directory. What am I doing wrong? (I am on windows)
[22:08] <Odd_Bloke> hgr3: How are you invoking it?
[22:09] <hgr3> Odd_Bloke: bzr patch mypatch.patch
[22:09] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: another builtin to look at is cmd_missing
[22:11] <hgr3> Odd_Bloke: I have never done this before, is it something I am missing?
[22:11] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: specifically bzrlib.missing.{iter_log_revisions,find_unmerged}
[22:14] <hgr3> If I use bzr diff myfile.c > mypatch.patch, should I not be able to do bzr patch mypatch.patch in the same go? But if I try, I get Error, No such file or dir
[22:16] <jam> hgr3: to run "bzr patch" you have to have the patch executable (from diffutils, etc) I don't think it is available on windows
[22:17] <jam> well, it *is* available
[22:17] <jam> just not by default
[22:17] <jam> I could be wrong on that, though.
[22:17] <hgr3> jam: ahh... I see :) where can I read more about this?
[22:17] <jam> hgr3: 'bzr patch' is provided by bzrtools, which brings in other dependencies
[22:17] <jam> I don't know for sure why it doesn't use some of the internal mechanics.
[22:17] <chadmiller> LarstiQ:  bzrlib.missing.find_unmerged takes two branches as parameters.  I only have the one branch (unless I change my program to keep another branch to compare against; ugh).
[22:18] <jam> hgr3: if you want something you can apply easily, I would suggest looking at "bzr send" though that doesn't do per-file.
[22:18] <jam> chadmiller: 'bzrlib.missing._find_unmerged' is probably what you would really care about.
[22:18] <jam> But regardless, those are both focused on mainline stuff
[22:18] <hgr3> jam: I have a patch I desperately would like to apply to a file, but I don't find out how to do it... what do you suggest?
[22:19] <jam> what you probably want is
[22:19] <jam> b = branch.Branch.open('mybranch')
[22:19] <jam> g = b.repository.get_graph()
[22:19] <zbrown> hgr3: patch -p0 ?
[22:19] <LarstiQ> hgr3: another problem might be relative paths in the branch.
[22:19] <jam> g.find_unique_ancestors(b.last_revision(), [old_last_revision])
[22:19] <jam> chadmiller: ^^
[22:19] <LarstiQ> hgr3: what are the values of `pwd` and `bzr root` ?
[22:20] <chadmiller> Ooo.
[22:20] <LarstiQ> chadmiller: and jam saves the day again :)
[22:20] <jam> hgr3: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/patch.htm
[22:20] <jam> zbrown: He's on windows and doesn't have patch installed yet
[22:20] <LarstiQ> jam: I knew there was a graph function like that, but I didn't find it yet :/
[22:20] <jam> chadmiller: you probably want some "lock_read()" in there, too
[22:21] <zbrown> jam: oooh ok, my mistae
[22:21] <LarstiQ> jam: oh, but _find_unmerged does that
[22:21] <jam> LarstiQ: yeah. _find_unmerged is where the real work is done
[22:21] <hgr3> thank you!
[22:24] <LarstiQ> hgr3: installing patch helped?
[22:25] <jam> he probably needs to put it somewhere on his path, etc
[22:25] <jam> but as he wants to apply a diff, patch is the go-to command :)
[22:26] <LarstiQ> right :)
[22:27]  * LarstiQ just would like confirmation it is not #30159
[22:46]  * mwhudson wants bzr push --no-tree
[22:46] <LarstiQ> mwhudson: for locla fs pushes?
[22:47] <mwhudson> LarstiQ: yes
[22:47] <LarstiQ> mwhudson: makes sense.
[23:08] <jam> bug #30159
[23:10] <jam> LarstiQ: for what hgr3 needed, that was certainly the case. "bzr patch" uses bzrtools, which uses the patch executable
[23:10] <jam> which is a bit of a shame, because we *do* have native ability to parse patch files
[23:10] <jam> (bzrlib.patches)
[23:10] <LarstiQ> jam: right, but if he didn't have patch, we wouldn't even get to 30159
[23:48] <poolie> hello all
[23:49] <jelmer> 'morning poolie
[23:52] <igc> morning
[23:53] <mwhudson> hi igc, poolie
[23:57] <spiv> Good morning.


[00:00] <truexfan81> tsimonq2: soundblaster z
[00:00] <truexfan81> on 32bit linux it partially works using a component i don't have
[00:00] <truexfan81> on 64bit linux it doesn't work at all for anyone
[00:01] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: http://askubuntu.com/questions/560684/creative-sound-blaster-z-not-working-under-ubuntu-14-10
[00:01] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147443&page=4
[00:01] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: there's a workaround if you want :)
[00:05] <truexfan81> tsimonq2: would be simpler to spend $30 for a card supported by linux http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132020
[00:05] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: suit yourself :)
[00:05] <truexfan81> tsimonq2: take a look at that thing
[00:05] <truexfan81> it does the main things i got the sb z to do
[00:06] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: you don't have $30 to spend? :)
[00:06] <truexfan81> tsimonq2: i do, but i'm choosing not to spend it right now
[00:06] <tsimonq2> :)
[00:07] <truexfan81> tsimonq2: it is on the todo list after i get a few small things fixed on my new 2002 honda accord
[00:07] <tsimonq2> :D :)
[00:07] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: good luck, keep me posted :D
[00:07] <truexfan81> tsimonq2: kk will do
[00:08] <truexfan81> but yeah i did my research and asus xonar is well supported by linux
[04:59] <furkan> i think i found a bug in nautilus... can anybody confirm? when viewing any folder in icon view, when i zoom in by holding down CTRL and scrolling up, my desktop icons also zoom in
[07:52] <eval> Hello.
[07:52] <eval> I'm trying to use preseed with the 16.04 alpha netboot image, but it doesn't seem to work. I'm pressing TAB at the install menu and then typing "auto url=http://some.url/my-preseed.cfg", but it still asks me about the language and keyboard config (which previous versions didn't) and even after that, it does not load the specified preseed file.
[07:53] <eval> I'm trying to figure out if this is caused by something that has changed in how preseed files work, or if this functionality is just not implemented yet in the alpha image.
[07:56] <eval> BTW, the image that I am using, is this one: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/20101020ubuntu410/images/netboot/mini.iso
[09:18] <eval> If anybody has any idea/tip on the above issue, please write it in the channel. I will check the online logs the next couple of days. Thanks a lot!
[09:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:28] <alkisg> Hi, firefox insists that adobe flash needs to be updated, and blocks it by default. But I've dist-upgraded
[11:28] <alkisg> Shouldn't firefox not complain when I have the latest flash available from the repositories? Or is it a glitch only because it's a development release?
[11:30] <damascene> alkisg, I've the same error in 15.04
[11:32] <damascene> I do not think it's right to permit usage of vulnerable version of Flash just because the fix is not yet in the repositories
[11:39] <alkisg> https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb16-01.html - Release date: December 28, 2015
[11:39] <alkisg> Maybe the developer that maintains adobe-flashplugin at canonical needs a ping?
[11:40] <alkisg> Its version is 1:20151208.1-0ubuntu1 though... it sounds like it's already up to date
[11:41] <alkisg> Yup, /me continues this in #ubuntu-devel...
[11:48] <alkisg> It's probably a packaging issue, they've included the wrong/older flash version
[11:49] <teward> i should point out that the Adobe version in question is in the proposed state in the partner repository and hasn't landed in the 'released' state, if LP's page is right
[11:49] <teward> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin
[11:50] <teward> alkisg: ^
[11:50] <teward> so it's in the partner-proposed pocket and not yet in standard partner repos (explains why unavailable probably)
[11:57]  * alkisg enabled the partner-proposed repository and everything is good again, thank you guys...
[12:34] <z4sk4> hi all,
[12:34] <z4sk4> i try test kubuntu 16.04 on Vbox, but i have an error when i try install with ubiquity... on ubuntu ubiquity works well
[12:46] <lordievader> Is going with the netinstall an option?
[12:46] <lordievader> z4sk4: ^
[12:47] <k1l_> z4sk4: what error?
[13:43] <z4sk4> k1l_: i will update an screenshot now
[13:48] <z4sk4> k1l_: lordievader: This is the rror: http://subefotos.com/ver/?2e8572a39b591a99527294c064fdd67eo.png
[13:49] <k1l_> yeah, thats a kde specific issue. please file a bug as the error message says
[13:49] <lordievader> Or confirm one, if it exists ;)
[13:51] <z4sk4> k1l_: where i should post this bug?
[13:52] <k1l_> !bug | z4sk4
[14:00] <z4sk4> Where i should post it? here? https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Kubuntu%20Debug%20Installer&format=guided
[14:00] <z4sk4> in thelist isn't ubiquity
[14:03] <k1l_> z4sk4: use the ubuntu-bug command. that will report it on launchpad.net
[14:05] <z4sk4> k1l_: sure? i use it, but not sure what i send it...
[14:10] <z4sk4> well i add the bug here too : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358164
[14:13] <lordievader> z4sk4: Better report it on launchpad, I think Ubuntu is the only distro to use Ubiquity.
[14:13] <z4sk4> lordievader: but only fails on Kubuntu...
[14:14] <lordievader> Yeah, since it is in a kde specific thing. Point is I think the Kubuntu dev-team maintains it, not KDE.
[14:15] <k1l_> yes. kde will not touch ubuntu related stuff. thats why i said report it on lauchpad
[14:16] <z4sk4> oh! sorry
[14:16] <z4sk4> its true
[14:23] <z4sk4> lordievader: k1l_ : did it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1535323
[14:30] <z4sk4> guys i have a question important to me: When i get the kubuntu installed, Its secure use upgrade until estable?? or is better download again the iso estable? i need to know to install or not install my tools. Thanks
[14:48] <lordievader> Upgrading gets you in the same place, doesn't matter both work ;)
[16:46] <dcunit3d> how do i go about troubleshooting something like this?  what logs do i look at?  when i start the computer, i see the nvidia logo, then one login screen,
[16:46] <dcunit3d> then it looks like it crashes, the screen goes .  then i see another login screen. i login and there's no window manager.  i can get to a terminal, but it
[16:46] <dcunit3d> doesn't have any borders. i can open chrome thru the terminal.  i've tried reinstalling nvidia and
[16:46] <dcunit3d> lightdm.  i actually want to try unity, but i want ubuntu without the amazon and search stuff.
[16:47] <dcunit3d> i've looked in /var/crashes but couldn't find anything that seemed relevant there
[16:47] <Daekdroom> dcunit3d, so you're trying Unity8 with the proprietary nvidia drivers?
[16:48] <dcunit3d> yes, i think so.  i need the proprietary drivers bc i'm going to be working with CUDA
[16:49] <Daekdroom> If your concern are the Unity online searches, they can be disabled.
[16:49] <Daekdroom> And I don't think the proprietary Nvidia drivers support Mir, which is required for Unity8, but I'm trying to confirm that.
[16:50] <dcunit3d> nvidia seemed to install fine on ubuntu 15.10 on the same hardware
[16:50] <dcunit3d> ah ok
[16:50] <Daekdroom> Ubuntu 15.10 uses Unity7 and X.org
[16:55] <Daekdroom> I found this but it seems slightly outdated (Dec 2013): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/GPUTesting
[16:55] <Daekdroom> "no proprietary driver support (dependent on 3rd parties)"
[16:56] <dcunit3d> cool, thanks Daekdroom. i'm just going to downgrade again.  kind of a bummer, since i spent some time configuring things, but i have my /home on a separate partition, so not really that big of a deal


[21:20] <ari-tczew> is there any trouble with timeout to launchpad?
[21:25] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: Nothing systemic as far as I know.  Do you have an OOPS ID?
[21:30] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: no, because there is no possible connection to launchpad's sites. trying for example: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ust/2.6.2-1ubuntu1
[21:30] <ari-tczew> however, doing a ping from command does "see" launchpad servers
[21:32] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: That works fine for me with no obvious delay
[21:32] <cjwatson> If there were an actual timeout on our end on that page you'd get an OOPS
[21:36] <cjwatson> I'd suspect a problem somewhere on the network route, perhaps something affecting only larger packets or only TCP or something
[21:37] <cjwatson> You could try a TCP-based traceroute as the next step
[21:57] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: it works already, thanks
[22:03] <cjwatson> OK, cool


[15:23] <SiD_User> Hi. Is here any 1 from xubuntu page admin ?? There's a probaby issue with LTS information or i missing something... LTS should have support to 2023 not 2021...
[15:24] <SiD_User> Xubuntu 18.04 LTSXubuntu 18.04 LTS was released in April 2018. The LTS release is supported until April 2021 and is the recommended version for all environments that require stability.
[15:25] <SiD_User> or Xubuntu have only 3 year support ?
[15:37] <tomreyn> good chat!
[15:40] <genii> heh
[15:41] <genii> Most users don't realize that each team selects it's own LTS term and assume all are 5
[15:48] <remline> genii, I think all of the flavors are 3 instead of 5?
[15:48] <genii> No
[15:48] <genii> !LTS
[15:48] <genii> heh
[15:48] <genii> ..if called in the #ubuntu channel, it would state 5
[15:49] <remline> I don't count Ubuntu as a "flavor" :)
[15:51] <genii> Kubuntu, Xubuntu are 3 as a result of choices of the teams producing them. I don't know offhand for Lubuntu or others. But main LTS is for 5 years on regular Ubuntu as a policy of Canonical
[15:52] <genii> "<ubottu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Bionic (Bionic Beaver 18.04). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information."
[15:52] <remline> Lubuntu is likewise 3 year LTS.
[15:58] <remline> I actually don't know what precisely the support term means. Aren't all Xubuntu packages also available in Ubuntu? And therefore, those packages get 5 years of support via Ubuntu?
[16:08] <genii> Updates specific to each desktop like KDE,LXDE, XFCE and so on only get updates for 3, as per each team's policy. GTK updates continue for the full 5. All underlying main base share, so those also continue getting updates for the full 5
[16:10] <genii> In some cases where a major security flaw might be found specific to a particular desktop variety, a fix may be issued after 3 years
[19:16] <nic99> is there an option to get details view for files
[19:17] <nic99> like there is in mac file manager or windows file manager
[22:44] <toe_head2001> I'm currently using Eoan Ermine. On the 11th, the kernel upgraded to 5.3. I have not been able to suspend this computer since. The screen goes black, but it stays fully powered on.
[22:44] <toe_head2001> What can I do to find the cause?
[22:45] <gnrp> Eoan Ermine and a 5.3 kernel. I am getting old. Oo
[22:45] <gnrp> toe_head2001: Look in the kernel logs after you reboot
[22:45] <gnrp> not only kernel logs, logs in general
[22:45] <tomreyn> !eoan is unreleased
[22:45] <tomreyn> !eoan
[22:45] <gnrp> aah, ok


[00:04] <cva> http://pastebin.com/m56e2ae7f
[03:35] <thedarkone> lmfao
[03:36] <thedarkone> instead of please test stable should be welcome to hell
[03:36] <thedarkone> lmfao
[04:23] <spiritssight1> How can I fix this
[04:23] <spiritssight1> 2008-07-09 23:17:09.090 Unable to parse themeinfo.xml for glass-wide
[04:23] <rhpot1991> thedarkone: ?
[04:24] <hads> Should be safe to ignore
[04:28] <spiritssight1> ok what is this if you don't mind me asking
[04:29] <spiritssight1> what about htis issue should I try and fix this, I am new at all this and looking at the logs
[04:29] <spiritssight1> 2008-07-09 23:17:09.815 Using the Qt painter
[04:29] <spiritssight1> mythtv: could not connect to socket
[04:29] <spiritssight1> mythtv: No such file or directory
[04:29] <spiritssight1> 2008-07-09 23:17:09.815 lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages
[04:30] <hads> lirc is what controls your remote, if you don't have a remote then that's nothing to worry about.
[04:30] <spiritssight1> I do have a remote that goes with the wintv 950
[04:31] <spiritssight1> usb
[04:31] <spiritssight1> so the question is how do I get that working, I guess I will go one at a time down the list of the log
[04:33] <hads> I have to get back to work sorry but someone should be able to help with your remote. You should be able to set it up in mythbuntu-control-centre
[04:36] <spiritssight1> I just don't know which one I pick in that list
[05:11] <spiritssight1> Hello I am looking for someone willing to help me fix a number of things that show up in the myth log, any one able to
[05:16] <rhpot1991> !ask | spiritssight1
[05:16] <Zinn> spiritssight1: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[05:23] <spiritssight1> I was just being nice
[05:24] <spiritssight1> but ok I won't ask if able to help I just as the question
[05:27] <rhpot1991> spiritssight1: its annoying because people ask and never ask a question when people don't respond to them asking if they can ask
[05:30] <Frans-Willem> Where's the option to have my backend retrieve the guide listing every night ?
[05:30] <Frans-Willem> Seem to have lost it :S
[05:30] <spiritssight1> I have a number of issue with my mythtv log I don't get its posted to pastebin http://pastebin.ca/1067602
[05:31] <spiritssight1> I don't understand how to fix them, I have googleed a number of them and I just don't have the luck as I did not see any thing
[05:31] <spiritssight1> or at less understand
[05:33] <spiritssight1> oo ok I get it about the question thing, I will try not dto do it but it does happen and its habit asking for help even when I ask the question I will ask if any one can help
[05:33] <rhpot1991> spiritssight1: if you don't get any help you can try the forums
[05:33] <spiritssight1> its my nature as I have  many disabilities and I have to ask for help more then I would like
[05:33] <rhpot1991> !forum | spiritssight1
[05:33] <Zinn> spiritssight1: The Mythbuntu forum is located at: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301
[05:36] <spiritssight1> thanks, I will look around there and past
[05:36] <spiritssight1> past post
[05:43] <spiritssight1> 	What is Xv when it talks about mythtv
[05:43] <spiritssight1> what I found was a grathic maniperlater or some thing like that
[05:55] <spiritssight1> what does this mean? :  2008-07-10 00:53:24.688 Using the Qt painter
[05:55] <spiritssight1> mythtv: could not connect to socket
[05:55] <spiritssight1> mythtv: Connection refused
[06:23] <akuma55> hello
[06:24] <akuma55> is it true i can put mythtv on ubuntu server
[06:27] <rhpot1991> akuma55: you shouldn't
[06:27] <rhpot1991> not to say you can't
[06:27] <akuma55> why you say that
[06:27] <rhpot1991> kernel difference for one
[06:27] <akuma55> for streaming on the net work
[06:27] <rhpot1991> its not built for multimedia
[06:28] <akuma55> ?
[06:31] <akuma55> do you no what i can use to stream videos to xbox and laptop
[06:33] <rhpot1991> xbox can do upnp
[06:33] <rhpot1991> well depends which xbox
[06:34] <akuma55> 360
[06:35] <rhpot1991> it can do upnp but m$ ignored standards so it can't do mpeg2
[06:35] <rhpot1991> (what else is new....)
[06:41] <toorima> http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu I thought one just could add gnome desktop and then add mythtv?
[06:42] <toorima> or is it that much difference between server kernel and desktop
[06:43] <rhpot1991> its different enough that debuging any problems you have may be a pain
[06:44] <toorima> k
[06:44] <toorima> well im running mythbuntu so i dont have to worry about it
[06:44] <toorima> but thought one could do it
[06:45] <rhpot1991> you could if you wanted, but do you really want to is the question
[06:45] <toorima> yeah true
[12:08] <sohocoke> hmm i must have done something wrong but can anyone help me find out what? I am getting a bizzare error when trying to run mythbuntu-control-centre
[12:09] <sohocoke> "AttributeError: ControlCentre instance has no attribute 'mb-apple_trailers_checkbox'. this seems to be related to a package 'mythbuntu-apple-trailers', which i don't think I should have dependencies on.
[12:09] <sohocoke> perhaps my apt repository config is wrong? this is a hardy installation but i added the intrepid repository to try out freevo. is this a bad idea?
[14:56] <cmug> Hi, I just updated my mythbuntu 8.04 with latest updates and now LiveTV says "Error was encountered while displaying video". Logfile suggests there is a problem reading the file in my recording directory, but I am able to write and read files from there with the mythbuntu user.
[14:56] <cmug> Any ideas?
[14:58] <cmug> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26468/ there is the log. can I increase the backend logging somehow?
[15:19] <jphillip> cmug your hard drive isn't filled or something silly is it?
[15:20] <jphillip> also the backend is run as root so you might want to test that
[15:32] <cmug> jphillip, 70% used
[15:32] <cmug> i think the problem is that the channel has stopped broadcasting
[15:32] <cmug> I attached a normal dvb tuner and the same channel is displaying black but others work ok
[15:37] <cmug> i
[15:37] <cmug> i'm trying to rescan all channels
[15:39] <cmug> no help :(
[20:10] <toko_lmce> hi! besides I'm too stupid... what could be the problem when I can scan channels with my DVB-S card successfully but when trying to view live TV for all the channels liveTV is black?
[20:11] <toko_lmce> any hints on where to start investigation?
[20:41] <MythbuntuGuest18> permissions for your livetv dir
[20:41] <MythbuntuGuest18> sudo chown mythtv:mythtv /path/to/dir
[21:17] <MythbuntuGuest18> whay does using Option "ConnctedMonitor" "DFP-0" crash my system? 7100/630i HDMI diskless client could force it with 169 driver but not this one so i am left blank...also doing this over ssh if it makes any difference
[21:31] <majnoon> hi i was wondering if anyone has a sample lirc config file for mythtv i can work from
[21:47] <craigyboytaz> should also say that when it crashes the log file is reset to 0bytes
[22:06] <spiritssight1> How can I get my wintv 950 usb stick remote working
[22:07] <spiritssight1> I get this in the log of the mythtv log for fontend
[22:07] <spiritssight1> mythtv: could not connect to socket
[22:07] <spiritssight1> mythtv: Connection refused
[22:07] <spiritssight1> 2008-07-10 17:03:15.261 lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages
[23:02] <commander-ape> mythbuntu doesnt appear in my grub boot loader after i installed it. i have ubuntu 8.04 and mythbuntu 8.04 installed, but i dont see mythbuntu to boot it on startup. how can i get it in there?
[23:22] <peoples> hey guys
[23:24] <peoples> i currently playing arround with dvb-s2 and mythtv , to test dvb-s2 i've to install a patched version of mythtv.
[23:25] <peoples> i'm not sure , is it possible to install the patched version to another location und run it ?
[23:25] <peoples> parallel to the original mythbuntu mythtv installation ?


[15:46] <gbisson> Hi all! I'm trying to refresh an old kernel snap (4.9-based) to newer version (5.4) and I see "an error occurred in Snapcraft" as it tries to do a "make firmware_isntall" which has been removed from linux kernel long time ago, any idea how to tell snapcraft not to do that?
[15:50] <gbisson> nvm, found it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2018-July/093908.html?_ga=2.8894645.1278148860.1609342308-969765656.1608893617
[16:07] <ogra> just make sure to get the firmware into the snap hrough some other way (linux-firmware as stage package or simply add a "firmware" part to pull it from github)
[16:12] <gbisson> ogra: yup, I have a tar-content thing present (although it complains I should switch to dump)
[16:13] <gbisson> ogra: now it complains about my model: model with series "20" != "16" unsupported
[16:13] <gbisson> I want to have a core20 image so I updated my model to have series: 20 but apparently ubuntu-image doesn't like it, any advice?
[16:20] <ogra> the model version for "series" is hardcoded to 16 ...
[16:20] <ogra> just keep it as it was
[16:21] <ogra> (that was some brainfart wen designing models ... series has never been changed since day one and will likely never change)
[16:25] <gbisson> ogra: hmm ok, good to know ;)
[16:25] <gbisson> what about the base then? Can I keep core20 as my model base?
[16:26] <ogra> yes, you need to if UC20
[16:26] <ogra> just leave series alone
[16:26] <gbisson> ok thanks for the quick reply!
[16:27] <ogra> https://core.docs.ubuntu.com/en/releases/uc20
[16:27] <ogra> there is an example
[16:29] <gbisson> perfect, thanks
[22:10] <gbisson> Any idea why my image would give me this upon first bootup "/usr/share/subiquity/console-conf-wrapper: line 32: snap: command not found"
[22:10] <gbisson> from there it's impossible to configure the device
[22:18] <gbisson> strange I see the same log as this bug although there was no power cut in my case: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1845310
[22:18] <mup> Bug #1845310: Seeding on core18 is susceptible to permanent failure on power loss <snapd:Fix Released by anonymouse67> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1845310>
[22:19] <gbisson> mup: but how come it happens even without power cut? and I'm on core20 btw
[22:19] <mup> gbisson: I apologize, but I'm pretty strict about only responding to known commands.
[22:21] <gbisson> mup do you want to know how I generate my image?
[22:46] <gbisson> ok so it's because of core20, switching to core18 makes it work...
[22:47] <gbisson> any timeframe on when core20 will be stable?


[05:23] <barrydk> Good morning all
[06:13] <Kilos> morning all
[06:14] <barrydk> Helo kilos.  I break anything
[06:50] <Kilos> lol
[06:51] <nlsthzn> I decided to forgo Windows as all I was doing was playing games all day and install Linux and get other things done... so obviously I spend the whole day setting up linux to play games >.< and using Wine and breaking stuff... what is that saying about it not being guns that kill people... :p
[06:52] <Kilos> i had same probs whenever i installed wine
[06:52] <Kilos> something would crash
[06:52] <Kilos> sooner or later
[06:57] <nlsthzn> fffuuuu
[07:06] <nlsthzn> oops I did it again :'(
[07:06] <Kilos> hehe
[07:07] <Kilos> you getting worse than me
[07:07] <nlsthzn> lol
[07:08] <nlsthzn> problem I am having with g+ ... I upload a photo, now how do I share a link to that specific photo or post :/
[07:08] <Kilos> ask Vince-0
[07:08] <Kilos> hes the g+ guy
[07:08] <Kilos> the pro is too busy to help
[07:09] <Kilos> môre inetpro plustwo Mzolisto
[07:10] <Kilos> magespawn, tell the fly it seems he dropped hawkeyes in very deep
[07:11] <magespawn> how so? has hawkies not been on recently
[07:11] <Kilos> not since the fly went on hols
[07:13] <Kilos> oh magespawn have you tried that tmux on kde
[07:13] <Kilos> ai! you a quassel okey
[07:13] <nlsthzn> http://www.flickr.com/photos/59930315@N03/8945271993/in/set-72157626124571449
[07:14] <magespawn> for now yes
[07:14] <nlsthzn> mornign magespawn
[07:14] <nlsthzn> *morning even
[07:14] <Kilos> hi charl_ mazal
[07:14] <mazal> Morning all
[07:16] <Kilos> eek you like the black background nlsthzn ?
[07:17] <magespawn> hey nlsthzn
[07:18] <nlsthzn> Kilos: black? darkish grey and it works well with the white of the bottom bar... played around with many wallpapers and this one works very well imo
[07:19] <Kilos> im spoiled with ubuntu purple
[07:19] <Kilos> or whatever colour it is
[07:19] <Kilos> easy on the eye
[07:22] <nlsthzn> ah ok :)
[07:25] <magespawn> nlsthzn: i like it, looks cool
[07:31] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[08:01] <nlsthzn> magespawn: thanks :)
[08:05] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[10:15] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[10:26] <charl_> good afternoon
[10:26] <charl_> hi Kilos
[10:26] <charl_> how's it going with the fly
[10:26] <charl_> *flu
[10:27] <Kilos> lol feels worse today charl_
[10:27] <Kilos> its going well with the fly, he is on holiday
[10:28] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[10:28]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:29] <charl_> Kilos: sorry to hear that!
[10:30] <charl_> sorry made a typo, the y and the u are next to each other
[10:30] <charl_> but good to hear it's going well with him too :)
[10:30] <Kilos> lol
[10:30] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[10:30] <Maaz> charl_: There's already a pot on. If you ask nicely, maybe you can have a cup
[10:30] <charl_> Maaz: coffee please
[10:30] <Maaz> charl_: Alrighty
[10:30] <charl_> i wonder if maaz serves this: http://i.imgur.com/rFYi4gC.jpg
[10:31] <charl_> i would prefer a regular coffee, not coffee annan
[10:32] <Kilos> na man he servers boere troos
[10:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and charl_!
[10:32] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[10:32] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[10:32] <Kilos> perculated coffee
[10:32] <charl_> Kilos: dankeschön
[10:32] <charl_> ag
[10:32] <charl_> Maaz: dankeschön
[10:32] <Maaz> charl_: dankeschön is Bitteschön
[10:32] <Kilos> haha
[10:32] <charl_> Maaz: you dumb
[10:32] <Maaz> charl_: Excuse me?
[10:33] <charl_> Kilos: sorry i need more coffee first :P
[10:33] <charl_> bbl
[10:34] <Kilos> k
[11:03] <charl_> back
[11:03] <charl_> the other day i walked past a coffee shop in amsterdam and thought of this: http://i.imgur.com/qFZaIe8.jpg
[11:03] <charl_> good embroidery http://i.imgur.com/gneenFy.jpg
[12:31] <mazal> How is the alliance score calculated ?
[12:32] <mazal> Sorry sorry , wrong window
[12:32] <Kilos> lol
[12:33] <mazal> Anybody here like text based games ?
[12:34] <mazal> Rather enjoy this one: www.ruinsofchaos.com
[12:36] <barrydk> Yea its cool
[12:39] <Kilos> arent you guys late today mazal barrydk
[12:40] <mazal> Not yet
[12:41] <barrydk> No Kilos weve been here since 6:30
[12:43] <Kilos> arent you normally knocked off by now
[12:43] <mazal> No 3pm oom Kilos
[12:43] <Kilos> ah sorry
[12:43] <mazal> This is close that we start to pack up and shut down though yes
[12:44] <barrydk> Thanks for reminding us to go home
[12:44] <Kilos> lol
[12:44] <mazal> But not me today :-(
[12:45] <mazal> This 2 weeks I have different hours
[12:45] <Kilos> aw
[12:48] <barrydk> Good nite all. Kilos  hope you feel better tomorrow
[12:50] <charl_> mazal: is the site down? seems to be down right now
[12:50] <mazal> Nope I was in just now
[12:50] <mazal> http://ruinsofchaos.com/
[12:50] <mazal> I think it must be without the www
[12:51] <charl_> mazal: i used to play trivia games on irc when i was a teenager but don't have the time/interest anymore
[12:51] <charl_> yeah this confirms it: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ruinsofchaos.com
[12:51] <charl_> somehow i can't get to it
[12:51] <mazal> I am currently in it
[12:51] <mazal> Is working
[12:52] <charl_> ah i can't resolve it, seems to be dns-related
[12:53] <charl_> yup definitely dns related, i can resolve it if i do a dig ruinsofchaos.com @<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:28] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening
[15:36] <Vince-0> heey! My client at home was open all day
[15:36] <Kilos> lol
[15:36] <Kilos> now you can read the logs
[15:45] <Vince-0> G+ photos have a right-click menu option to copy photo URL
[15:46] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you hear?
[15:46] <nlsthzn> Vince-0: doh, thanks ... I knew I had done it before but couldn't remember
[15:46] <nlsthzn> yes thanks uncle Kilos :)
[15:46] <Kilos> hehe
[15:47] <nlsthzn> oh, just booked my daughters plane ticket to come stay here... she is flying the 13th!!1111!!!1!!!!!1one!!11!!
[15:52] <nlsthzn> :/ oh well I will just be excited enough for everyone... weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[15:52] <Kilos> thats lekker nlsthzn
[15:53] <Kilos> im happy for you
[15:53] <Kilos> good to have family close by
[15:53] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos ...
[17:15] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[17:15]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:15] <inetpro> Kilos: good evening
[17:15] <inetpro> and good evening everyone else
[17:16] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[17:16] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:16] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[17:16] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[17:16] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[17:16] <inetpro> Kilos: jy al beter?
[17:16] <Kilos> nee man erger vandag
[17:16] <Kilos> grrr
[17:17] <nlsthzn> :(
[17:18] <inetpro> ai!
[17:18] <inetpro> Kilos: het jy heuning en suurlemoene in die huis?
[17:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[17:19] <inetpro> Maaz: dankeschön
[17:19] <Maaz> Bitteschön inetpro
[17:19] <Kilos> niks heuning
[17:19] <inetpro> ai!
[17:19] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:19] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:19] <inetpro> die beste heuning is uit jou eie omgewing
[17:19] <Kilos> maar ek sal dit wen
[17:20]  * inetpro wbb
[18:15] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[18:42] <Vince-0> surp durp
[19:07] <Tonberry_> does 8ta do something evil to dns?
[19:15] <inetpro> Tonberry_: why?
[19:16] <Tonberry_> im seeing a LOT of dns queries going unanswered
[19:17] <Tonberry_> to the servers 8ta give out and to the google dns servers
[19:17] <inetpro> can you give an example?
[19:17] <Tonberry_> nslookup something and it just times out
[19:17] <Tonberry_> do it again and it works
[19:17] <inetpro> mine works
[19:18] <inetpro> haven't noticed unanswered queries
[19:19] <Tonberry_> line seems fine otherwise, low packetloss, ok speed
[19:19] <Tonberry_> i would usually just blame packet loss...
[19:19] <inetpro> hmm... that's the next thing I wanted to ask
[19:20] <inetpro> Tonberry_: have you traced to the actual dns servers?
[19:20] <Tonberry_> unless they are giving icpm higher priority than dns for some reason
[19:20] <Tonberry_> not that there is any sane reason for that
[19:20] <Tonberry_> no
[19:21] <inetpro> Tonberry_: what dns servers are you pointing to?
[19:22] <inetpro> mine are <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:22] <Tonberry_> at the moment i'm seeing this on <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:22] <Tonberry_> needs more ','
[19:23] <Tonberry_> seems they changed address since i set up openwrt
[19:24] <inetpro> maybe those servers are just very busy?
[19:24] <Tonberry_> but still this should not affect <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:25] <Tonberry_> same thing on the ones you are using
[19:26] <inetpro> hmm... where are you located?
[19:26] <Tonberry_> stellenbosch
[19:26] <inetpro> I see no problem from Pretoria
[19:28]  * Tonberry_ shrugs
[19:28] <Tonberry_> new form of congestion control maybe?
[19:30] <inetpro> Tonberry_: call them at 081 180
[19:31] <inetpro> or send a tweet to @8tada
[19:31] <Tonberry_> not really in the mood for call centers right now. Will see how things go tomorrow
[19:32] <inetpro> Tonberry_: not that it should matter, but what modem are you using?
[19:32] <Tonberry_> huawei b683
[19:33] <inetpro> have you tried a cold reboot?
[19:33] <Tonberry_> not recently, worth a shot i guess
[19:33] <Tonberry_> brb
[19:34] <inetpro> I don't know why but I have seen funny things happen with these modems
[19:36] <inetpro> sometimes as if they hold wrong DNS values in memory for too long
[19:36] <inetpro> wb Tonberry_
[19:36] <Tonberry> no change...
[19:37] <inetpro> oh well, hope they can sort it for you soon
[19:38] <inetpro> s/they/someone/
[21:18]  * Squirm looks around


[02:46] <n-iCe> hi
[11:14] <capum321> hello i have mailed lubuntu users mail at lists ubuntu. to get responded do I have to be subscribed to it? has been 4 days and nothing...
[14:19] <charlie_1anders> I'm hitting all sorts of problems trying to install binaries in lubuntu, constantly getting errors like these : gfortran-5 : Depends: gcc-5-base (= 5.3.1-14ubuntu2) but 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.2 is to be installed
[14:21] <charlie_1anders> whats the deal, my system is ahead of all my dependencies ?
[14:32] <sodomy> I think your problem is this: (= 5.3.1-14ubuntu2) - it's asking for an *exact* (=, not >=) version.  Your binary package is broken, or at the very least isn't for this version of lubuntu)
[14:52] <charlie_1anders> this for almost everything I try to install with apt-get
[14:52] <charlie_1anders> sodomy: wow, what a name
[14:54] <sodomy> charlie_1anders: :)
[14:54] <sodomy> charlie_1anders: I have no idea why it might be happening with everything installed with apt-get, sorry.
[15:02] <charlie_1anders> sodomy: np , from source it is
[15:05] <charlie_1anders> sodomy: using aptitude fixed it, apparently some packages were 'on hold'
[15:05] <sodomy> charlie_1anders: Ahh, cool. :)


[00:34] <ojwb> is it just me, or does launchpad time out as often as it successfully loads a page for other people too?
[00:36] <thumper> ojwb: it's just you
[00:36] <thumper> ojwb: what are you looking at?
[00:37] <ojwb> just trying to attach a tiny patch to a bug
[00:37] <ojwb> on the 3rd attempt I managed to
[00:37] <ojwb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wv2/+bug/645023
[00:37] <ojwb> 222 bytes
[00:38] <ajmitch> fairly small, though the patch size itself probably wouldn't matter too much
[00:39] <ojwb> indeed, unless it was large enough to make the request a problematic size for something
[00:39]  * ojwb tries traceroute
[00:40] <ojwb> wow, bad packet loss at ae-43-43.ebr2.London1.Level3.net
[00:40] <ojwb> ~80%
[00:40] <ojwb> and my ISP dropping a few % as is po4-10G.ar2.LAX2.gblx.net
[00:43]  * ajmitch isn't seeing any packet loss at all from here, so maybe a slightly different route
[00:43] <ojwb> i don't from the UK, but that only shares the last hop
[00:44] <ojwb> ajmitch: does yours go via level3.net all the way from LA to SJC to NY to london?
[00:47] <ajmitch> fx networks, asianetcom, los angeles, san jose, NY, london
[00:47] <ajmitch> mtr to launchpad.net
[00:56] <ojwb> yeah, but is all the LA->London bit on level3.net?
[01:05] <ajmitch> yes it is
[01:10] <ajmitch> so with wv2 being in universe, there'd be a very high chance that the patch you attached wouldn't get seen for awhile
[01:10] <ajmitch> less so now that people are actively searching for patches, but the best option is to have a usable debdiff & subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[01:18] <ojwb> i think I'll just push the fix at the debian end
[01:18] <ojwb> i just stuck the patch in the ubuntu bug as someone had already filed one and it might help anyone finding it
[01:18] <ajmitch> it'd be easier, though it doesn't really look like an RC bug
[01:18] <ajmitch> much appreciated :)
[01:18] <ojwb> it probably isn't
[01:19] <ojwb> unless the parsing of random data is exploitable
[01:21] <ojwb> but anyway, that doesn't mean it can't get fixed, especially once squeeze is out
[01:22] <ajmitch> which will hopefully be soonish
[01:23] <ojwb> indeed
[17:53] <ajmitch> morning
[18:50] <Atamira> mornin
[19:00] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:00] <ibeardslee> and bye as I get told **System Restart Required**
[19:10] <Atamira> heh..i have one of those too
[19:17] <Atamira> well..you're reboot took longer than mine
[19:17] <Atamira> your*
[19:18] <ibeardslee> reboot + remember to log back in again
[19:18] <ibeardslee> remote reboots always make me nervous
[19:39] <Atamira> ahh
[19:39] <Atamira> fair enough
[19:45] <Atamira> darn it. using the updated driver file for my video card, cause lag on normal operations..
[19:45] <Atamira> moving the mouse for instance
[19:45] <Atamira> the last driver file was the same
[19:45] <ibeardslee> sounds less than ideal
[19:46] <Atamira> it is..slows everything down
[19:46] <Atamira> only bonus is that it makes the graphics much better
[19:47] <Atamira> and i can play 3d games
[19:47] <Atamira> but using the browser is slow..specially on facebook
[19:53]  * ibeardslee wanders away to learn more about git
[20:58] <snail> hmmm, our VPN is a little theoretical this morning...
[20:59] <chrismsnz> theoretical?
[20:59] <chrismsnz> oh, and morning
[21:03] <snail> chrismsnz: as in 'we theoretically have a VPN connecting us to our data-centre-hosted mission-critical application, but in practice we appear not to'
[21:04] <chrismsnz> heh
[21:04] <chrismsnz> we have a vpn running on a multi-homed box, have to twiddle the routing every time we reboot it for it to come up at all


[06:08] <Sarvatt> ricotz: do me a favor and remind me about bringing extra US power adapters closer UDS time :)
[06:09]  * Sarvatt has one in the bag now but might forget why its there when packing the day before the trip
[06:11] <RAOF> Heh.
[06:12] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hey, will do :)
[06:14] <Sarvatt> thanks, never know what i'm capable of forgetting at the last minute :)
[06:17] <ricotz> everything is possible :P, but most important are passport and creditcard ;)
[06:23] <ricotz> bbl
[06:33] <Sarvatt> RAOF: do you need usb power adapters for your laptops?
[06:34] <RAOF> USB power adapters?  You can't push enough power over USB to charge any of my laptops!
[06:34] <Sarvatt> s/usb/US
[06:34] <Sarvatt>  /
[06:34] <RAOF> HAH!
[06:35] <RAOF> Nah, thanks.  I've got me a full complement of adaptors & such :)
[06:35] <Sarvatt> sorry, 2:30 am, doing some light packing :)
[06:38] <RAOF> It's pretty early to be packing, though!
[07:18] <Sarvatt> RAOF: apitrace packaged?! awesome!
[07:19] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Mostly :)
[07:21] <RAOF> I wonder how hard it'd be to add GL_EXT_tfp support to apitrace?
[07:24] <bryceh> Sarvatt, going to uds early?
[07:27] <Sarvatt> nah just some late drinking and early worrying about forgetting crap :) my little AP was screwed last trip, getting it set up to work in the hotel
[07:33] <bryceh> Sarvatt, aha
[07:33] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yeah I've started maintaining a checklist
[07:41] <RAOF> You guys have a checklist?  I just throw 5 minutes worth of clothes in the suitcase and grab my laptop ;)
[10:23] <tito> hey guys, i just installed fresh install of 11.10 + nvidia-current (285.05.09-0ubuntu1~oneiric~xup1)
[10:23] <tito> and nvidia-current-dev.
[10:25] <tito> libGL.so are installed into /usr/lib/nvidia-current/, GL.h in /usr/include/nvidia-current/GL/
[10:25] <tito> no libGL.so and GL.h are accessible from "standard" path
[10:26] <tito> my question is: did i miss something ? what the approach to check thoses path too in a software ? pkg-config ? something else ?
[10:37] <tseliot> tito: you'll have to include them manually
[10:38] <tito> but what's the approach to know which one to use ? the standard one (if exist) ? nvidia-current ? and i don't know about the ati one
[10:38] <tito> is it safe to -I/usr/include/nvidia-current for every users ?
[10:39] <jcristau> no
[10:39] <jcristau> what's wrong with /usr/include/GL/GL.h?
[10:40] <tito> fresh install + nvidia-current = no /usr/include/GL/GL.h
[10:40] <tito> = no /usr/lib/libGL.so too
[10:40] <jcristau> install libgl1-mesa-dev then
[10:41] <tito> but i got them with nvidia-current, in another directory, not in standard directory
[10:45] <tito> ok, it's working.
[10:46] <tito> with libgl1-mesa-dev, but it's using mesa gl.h instead of the nvidia one
[10:46] <jcristau> and that's a problem because?
[10:46] <tito> linking is working too because it found mesa libGL.so, and at runtime, cause of ldconf.so.conf, it use nvidia libGL.so
[10:46] <tito> it look wrong no ?
[10:47] <tito> installing mesa gl to be able to compile and link
[10:47] <tito> and it will be not used at all at runtime
[11:03] <tjaalton> headers rarely are
[11:17] <tseliot> tito: oh, I thought that, for some reason, you wanted to compile things with Nvidia's libraries
[11:20] <tito> for runtime i wasn't talking about headers...
[11:20] <tito> if i remember well, if we install with nvidia binaries, it will do symlink
[11:20] <tito> not with the ubuntu package
[12:54] <tseliot> tito: we have our own symlinks with our alternatives system. If you install the driver from Nvidia's website you'll end up breaking your system
[12:55] <tito> tseliot: i didn't install driver from nvidia website on that fresh install
[12:55] <tseliot> ok
[12:55] <tito> http://askubuntu.com/questions/66109/libgl-so-and-gl-h-not-available-from-standard-path
[12:58] <tseliot> tito: you should use whatever mesa provides unless you're interested in using Nvidia's libraries to build your apps
[12:58] <tseliot> tito: if you install and enable the Nvidia driver, you're expected to use Nvidia's GL libraries (which is what we do)
[12:59] <tito> but their is no risk to compile using mesa header and run with nvidia lib ?
[13:00] <tjaalton> the question is if nvidia-current-dev should install to the standard path, and conflict with libgl1-mesa-dev
[13:00] <jcristau> no
[13:01] <tjaalton> no to what? :)
[13:02] <jcristau> there's a spec for the ABI of libGL.so.1 on linux, it should be the same for all vendors.
[13:02] <tjaalton> ok then
[13:03] <jcristau> no to "is there a risk to build against one libGL and run against a different one?"
[13:03] <tjaalton> anyway, don't see a reason not to put CL/* and cuda/* under /usr/include
[13:04] <tjaalton> right, everything is built against the mesa libs anyway, and things seem to work rather well :)
[13:04] <tito> that's my point. mesa have .h+.so shipped together, that's ok. But if i install alternative (as nvidia-current) gl install, it should be used by default
[13:04] <jcristau> tito: for building stuff?  no it should not.
[13:04] <tito> (i mean nvidia-current never ask me to install libgl1-dev)
[13:04] <tito> (libgl1-mesa-dev sorry)
[13:05] <tito> ok
[13:05] <tito> if you said it's standard way to do, i'm ok :)
[13:06] <tseliot> tito: we have a -dev package for nvidia and one for mesa
[13:06] <tito> yes yes i know  that
[13:07] <tseliot> which we don't install by default, for obvious reasons
[13:07] <Milos_SD> Hi... does Unity in Oneiric work with xorg-edgers packages? Is the bug with utouch fixed?
[15:59] <igormorgado> hi.. x is recognizing my apple wireless keyboard as a corepointer. Any tips?


[09:38] <k1l> and suddenly, a logbot appears :)
[09:38] <Myrtti> wheeeee
[09:56] <Tm_T> any missing channels? #k atleast but others you notice?
 only thing I enabled "AllowRootLogin=true" because of reasons
[17:36] <bazhang> augh
[17:52] <genii-around> bazhang: I remember having to do this before for the kiosk thing
[17:52] <bazhang> genii-around, and now a question about a "reset of the root password"
[18:02] <bazhang> is there any doubt that plshelp's issue is hardware
[18:06] <jbroome> i only looked at lastlog, but nope.
[18:06] <genii-around> Is that the person that spilled something on their laptop then asked if it's posssible the hd problem is a software issue?
[18:06] <bazhang> yeah
[18:06] <bazhang> dropped something heavy on it, clunk, now the hdd cannot be accessed
[18:06] <genii-around> Heh, yeah, I'd lean towards hardware on that one....
[18:06] <bazhang> hehe
[18:07] <jbroome> oh but the glass was empty.  i find that wonkiness soon after dropping things on laptops can usually be traced to the dropping incident
[18:15] <bazhang> [lenim] (~lemin@217.sub-174-236-161.myvzw.com): lemin
[18:15] <bazhang> spider sense tingling
[18:48] <bazhang> wow impatient much
[18:49] <bazhang> I demand answers!111
[18:57] <genii-around> bazhang: You seem cranky today
[18:57] <bazhang> genii-around, hah not a t all
[18:58] <genii-around> bazhang: I guess just getting annoyed :)
[18:58] <bazhang> genii-around, not in the slightest
 where can I direct my rage
[20:13] <bazhang> #ubuntu-rage
[20:13] <bazhang> it's all the rage!
[20:15] <genii-around> Hehe
[20:18] <bazhang> the new nautilus is a bit annoying though
[20:18] <bazhang> where's the size remaining bottom panel
[20:19] <bazhang> whoops space


[00:11] <cjwatson> wgrant: Do you fancy merging debmirror for disco?  You TIL, and jdstrand wanted the fix for bug 1821251 which is in unstable now.
[00:12] <cjwatson> Several other fairly important fixes in the interim too.
[00:13] <Unit193> Unfortunate, apt-ftparchive doesn't seem to have grown support for them.
[00:25] <wgrant> cjwatson: Ah, will do


[04:07] <scunizi> I am having problems locating the logs for #ubuntu in http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/03/  I see everything except #ubuntu.. can anyone point me to the right file?
[04:09] <nhandler> scunizi: ubuntulog is not in #ubuntu, so it is not being logged to irclogs.ubuntu.com. You can confirm that no log exists there by visiting http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/03/%23ubuntu.txt (and noting the error)
[04:10] <scunizi> thanks.
[04:11] <nhandler> You are welcome scunizi
[04:14] <scunizi> that seems to be the day I've been looking for :( .. too bad it isn't there..
[04:16] <scunizi> nhandler: do you know if freenode logs it's channels like ##linux or #ubuntu?
[04:18] <m4v> I think somebody mentioned that irseek logged #ubuntu
[04:18] <scunizi> m4v: is that irseek.com .net ?? I haven't heard of that one.
[04:19] <m4v> beats me, maybe google can help
[04:19] <scunizi> k
[04:19] <nalioth> scunizi: Freenode has a "no public logging" policy
[04:20] <nalioth> !logs
[04:22] <scunizi> nalioth: been to that link.. looks like there was an error logging yesterday.. :( .. irseek.com has logged up to 2008/8
[04:25] <nalioth> scunizi: sorry, i thought there was more to the link  :(
[09:24] <jpds> ubunutlog is not in #ubuntu ?
[09:33] <jussi01> hrm, that needs fixing
[09:33] <jussi01> jpds: could you file a rt for it?
[09:36] <jpds> jussi01: Sure.
[09:40] <ubot2> JulSkum called the ops in #ubuntu-se ()
[09:44] <ubot2> Jultomten called the ops in #ubuntu-se (einand)
[09:45] <andol> Hmm, just some people trying out the !ops command in #ubuntu-se, sory about that
[09:46] <jpds> andol: No problem.
[09:50] <andol> jpds: By the way, is there a good way to get some kind of instruction from ubot2 on what commands it accepts, how to add factoids etc?
[09:51] <jpds> andol: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots#Using%20Ubottu is your firriend.
[09:52] <andol> jpds: thanks
[17:51] <hggdh> can someone please kick ubot4 on #ubuntu-bugs?
[17:51] <Pici> hggdh: already poked someone about it :)
[17:51] <Pici> or rather, I just did.
[17:52] <hggdh> heh. forgot you are usually on both places, sorry
[18:24] <pleia2> LjL: <with classroom admin hat on> yes, an irc session would be great! :) not much on the schedule at this moment, so just let me know
[18:27] <LjL> pleia2: ok :)
[18:39] <topyli> i could sign MenZa's mail pretty much word for word, and would join such a session :)
[18:41] <tsimpson> something like ^ is part of my wishlist of reforms
[18:46]  * MenZa nods


[01:16] <kaushal> Hi
[01:18] <kaushal> I am using TB 3.1.8, I format the message in gedit and when i paste it on the compose window and send it , the lines get dealigned
[01:19] <kaushal> Any clue ?
[01:19] <kaushal> I mean when i receive the email
[01:20] <gorilla> kaushal: Does the same thing happen if you type it directly into Thunderbird? (I am assuming that this is what you meant by TB)
[01:21] <kaushal> gorilla: yes it happens
[01:49] <gorilla> hmm. I don't use Thuirnderbird but perhaps it's word wrap is turned off. I can't really offer much more advice. Sorry.
[02:48] <valorin> gorilla & head_victim, I got a good couple of responses on ServerFault about the issue I was having yesterday, if you are interested: http://serverfault.com/questions/266055/ssh-connections-freezing-with-write-failed-broken-pipe
[04:28] <gorilla> valorin: Nice.
[04:42] <head_victim> valorin: yeah so the keepalive stuff is what the issue is
[04:50] <valorin> head_victim, Yeah, because the NAT setup was timing out before the SSH connection. After modifying those settings, it appears all good :)
[05:00] <head_victim> valorin: sweet, glad it's sorted
[05:00] <head_victim> sagaci: well done btw, just shot the ML a message
[05:00] <gorilla> head_victim: I only see it after I go home... I think the timeout on the server must be long... as it doesn't reset the connection during my lunch break.
[05:01] <head_victim> gorilla: I never ssh for longer than I'm at the keyboard so I never see it :)
[05:01] <sagaci> head_victim, when I first saw the email, I thought it was about you... then when I saw my name, I audibly said "Holy Shit"
[05:01] <head_victim> sagaci: hah I don't do much translation, it's more a "when I have 30 mins spare sometime".
[05:02] <head_victim> I actually have been trying to tidy up "Trash" recently which is really time consuming for little result. But I have managed to fix Unity and Nautilus
[05:03] <sagaci> it comes up as Wastebin in 11.04 on the bottom left hand corner icon
[05:03] <head_victim> Yeah I only just did it today
[05:03] <head_victim> It should all be Rubbish Bin
[05:03] <head_victim> But there's no way to search it all online, you have to go to each package separately and then search for "trash" or "bin"
[05:04] <head_victim> So if you can try to remember to do a search on each package you translate part of for those 2 and check to make sure they're all Rubbish Bin it will make everything gela  lot better
[05:07] <sagaci> head_victim, but you can do it via downloading the .po, right?
[05:08] <head_victim> I assume you can search for it in the po editor
[05:08] <head_victim> You can search individual packages just not the whole lot I don't think. Unless you get into some serios google fu
[05:10] <sagaci> the gimp packages are pricks, every second string is color
[05:27] <blahdeblah> Any grub experts out there? I've got a client getting grub error 24 "Attempt to access block outside partition" on a server that was previously running perfectly. Bug #353071 seems to be related, but it is for much older versions, and i've tried all the suggested remedies.
[06:00] <head_victim> blahdeblah: no recent bios or partition changes I assume?
[06:00] <blahdeblah> nope
[06:03] <head_victim> All I can find on it is it's usually an error thrown by a kernel that can't read ext4 properly
[06:04] <head_victim> If trying a different kernel doesn't work I'm kinda out of ideas
[06:14] <blahdeblah> Doesn't even get as far as choosing a kernel
[06:14] <blahdeblah> And there's no ext4
[07:14] <gorilla> blahdeblah: Hit the mail lists with that one... it might get answered here but personally I haven't dived under the hood of grub configs.
[09:36] <sagaci> head_victim, ping
[09:36] <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/qAxHi.png
[10:09] <head_victim> Pong
[10:09] <head_victim> sagaci: yeah the Rubbish Bin is correct :) I went through nautilus and unity before
[10:10] <sagaci> just saying how many iterations there are
[10:10] <head_victim> Ah yeah there's heaps :/
[10:10] <head_victim> I've even noticed it on my computer
[10:11] <head_victim> I've seen 3 different names for it at once wiht random stuff I had optn
[10:11]  * gorilla just put the rubbish out... Bin very Laden.
[10:27] <head_victim> sagaci: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+translations is where I'd go
[10:27] <head_victim> And then look at the "base pack" or "see all language packs"
[10:28] <head_victim> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+language-packs and then the "base pack"
[10:28] <head_victim> it's a tar.gz I beleive
[10:28] <head_victim> Spelling fail tonight.
[10:28] <sagaci> the base pack, yeah?
[10:28] <head_victim> On that note I should head off, got a bunch of stuff to do and need to be awake at 4am
[10:28] <head_victim> Yeah the base pack
[10:29] <sagaci> 588MiB
[10:29] <head_victim> I tried downloading something once, editing it and then when I went to upload it it failed and I couldn't make it work. I stuck to doing it online since then (I'd spent hours on translating basically all of firefox offline)
[10:29] <sagaci> not bad but i'd have to see how that goes with merging and everything
[10:29] <head_victim> That sounds right
[10:30] <sagaci> I don't think there's any point to getting the base pack till most of the strings are translated
[10:30] <sagaci> yeah righteo, cya
[10:31] <sagaci> and more of an issue to upload the base pack, 588MiB upload on an aussie connection... tell him he's dreamin
[10:31] <head_victim> Haha just leave it overnight
[10:31] <gorilla> sagaci: Well done on your translation ranking. :-)
[10:31] <head_victim> gorilla: sagaci is the translation king :D
[10:32] <head_victim> Well, 4th in line to the throne anyway ;)
[10:32] <sagaci> i just have spare time for the meantime
[10:32] <sagaci> may as well use it
[10:32] <head_victim> May as well indeed.
[10:32] <sagaci> 1st is 101000
[10:32] <gorilla> sagaci: you mean that you had spare time :-D
[10:32] <head_victim> sagaci: well what are you waiting for! Hop to it
[10:32] <sagaci> gorilla, precisely
[10:33] <sagaci> maybe by 12.04
[10:33] <head_victim> But really, I'm off now. Cheerio
[10:33] <gorilla> sagaci: but thanks all the same.
[10:33] <sagaci> well I'll actually feel ok installing the AU language pack after a while
[10:33] <sagaci> all these years i've passed up on it
[13:30] <Fudge> evenin
[13:33] <ikt> heya :)
[13:37] <Fudge> playing with  natty here trying to get my remastersys under 700meg
[13:37] <Fudge> its 817 currently
[13:49] <ikt> oh nice
[13:49] <ikt> what did you change in the remaster?
[14:12] <ikt> Fudge ?
[14:12] <Fudge> oh sorry
[14:13] <Fudge> well its for vinux so took out libreoffice ubuntu docs ghome manual but a lot of other stuff was instaleld so thats why im trying to get the install down
[14:13] <Fudge> its a blind friendly
[14:33] <ikt> ah nice :)
[14:40] <Fudge> ty
[14:40] <Fudge> nie


[12:30] <happyaron> FJKong: 在？
[12:30] <FJKong> z
[12:30] <FJKong> happyaron: zai
[12:30] <happyaron> FJKong: 我感觉nux那个比较难搞啊
[12:31] <FJKong> 很复杂啊？
[12:31] <FJKong> 明天要不在会上提一下？
[12:32] <happyaron> 提一下吧
[12:32] <happyaron> nux的head和当时变化真的挺大了，主要工作是两部分：合并 xim 支持，fcitx 支持
[12:33] <happyaron> 老k的branch里还对nux的结构做了一点点改动，让支持ibus/fcitx更模块化一点点，然后这么久了合并起来就复杂了。
[12:46] <FJKong> 这消息不咋的啊
[12:46] <FJKong> 感觉基本就是从来一边
[12:52] <happyaron> 嗯，就这感觉/
[14:10] <JackYu> happyaron, ping
[14:10] <happyaron> JackYu: pong
[14:12] <JackYu> happyaron, bug #1248980 is updated:)
[14:12] <happyaron> JackYu: will have a look before tomorrow's meeting, :)
[14:13] <happyaron> JackYu: also, Peng Huan may need to check the merge proposal for ubiquity, cjwaston replied him hours ago.
[14:13] <happyaron> the patch still needs some fixing I think.
[14:15] <JackYu> happyaron, you mean cjwatson replied in email or on lp?
[14:15] <JackYu> I can't find the comments.
[14:16] <happyaron> JackYu: https://code.launchpad.net/~penghuanmail/ubiquity/lp.1197220/+merge/195712
[14:16] <JackYu> ok
[14:17] <happyaron> :)


 hello guys, where i can get ref to change lockscreen wp ?, in manual page ?
[11:53] <guiverc> @devikri, what do you mean by wp?
 @guiverc [<guiverc> @devikri, what do you mean by wp?], *Wallpaper sorry
[11:55] <guiverc> I'm not aware of there being a wallpaper; lockscreen is handled by xscreensaver
[11:55] <guiverc> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.20/screensaver.html
 Ok thx 😄
[16:16] <lleachii> Hello, I have an odd issue on 81.0.4044.138 (Official Build) snap (64-bit) for Lubuntu 20.04 and running Nvidia Driver 340.108. After some time, I can only see the background of new tabs. Killing a process named 'chrome --type=gpu-process --field-trial-handle=....... --gpu-prefrences.... --shared-files` causes the content on those new tab links and page to reappear.
[17:11] <kc2bez> lleachii: if you are having issues with a snap it might be a good idea to look for help on the snapcraft forum.
[17:12] <lleachii> thanks
[17:38] <wxl> lleachii: did you already try to reach out to the creator of the snap?
[17:39] <wxl> which snap is this by the way?
[17:39] <lleachii> not yet...
[17:39] <lleachii> snap    2.44.3+20.04
[17:39] <lleachii> snapd   2.44.3+20.04
[17:39] <lleachii> series  16
[17:39] <lleachii> ubuntu  20.04
[17:39] <lleachii> kernel  5.4.0-29-generic
[17:41] <wxl> err
[17:41] <wxl> i mean which piece of software?
[17:41] <wxl> or are you saying snapd itself???
[17:41] <lleachii> Chromium Brower has the issue as noted
[17:41] <lleachii> Hello, I have an odd issue on 81.0.4044.138 (Official Build) snap (64-bit) for Lubuntu 20.04 and running Nvidia Driver 340.108. After some time, I can only see the background of new tabs. Killing a process named 'chrome --type=gpu-process --field-trial-handle=....... --gpu-prefrences.... --shared-files` causes the content on those new tab links and page to reappear.
[17:42] <lleachii> Was told to try runnng with --gpu-disabled
[17:42] <wxl> oh hahahahah
[17:42] <wxl> i looked all over and couldn't see what you were talking about
[17:42] <wxl> should have looked very hard in the middle for "chrome"
[17:42] <lleachii> and considering revering to nouveau driver
[17:43] <wxl> anyways, yeah, that's the sort of issue you'd want to contact canonical about
[17:43] <wxl> curious tho
[17:43] <lleachii> my bad, i only noted the process, lol
[17:43] <wxl> are you using compton or any sort of compositing?
[17:43] <wxl> sometimes it works ridiculous magic for graphical issues
[17:43] <lleachii> fresh install and enabled Nvidia only
[17:44] <wxl> try turning it on
[17:45] <lleachii> compton is installed...clled "Special effect settings"
[17:45] <wxl> installed is not on
[17:45] <lleachii> not sure what makes it on or off...
[17:45] <wxl> it's disabled by default
[17:45] <wxl> there's a service you can flick on in session settings
[17:46] <wxl> anyways it looks like they want you to just write a bug report if you have a problem https://snapcraft.io/chromium
[17:46] <lleachii> OK!
[17:46] <wxl> the whole chromium as snap thing is a total yuck fest if you ask me. i'd just use firefox tbh :/
[17:48] <lleachii> ok...enabled...I'll wait and see...
[17:51] <lleachii> AAAH
[17:51] <lleachii> chnaged to OpenGL...
[17:51] <lleachii> now i see someting...
[17:51] <lleachii> now everything is opaque
[18:13] <lleachii> https://www.magpcss.org/ceforum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17030
[18:21] <lleachii> Compton didn't solve issue
[18:24] <wxl> c'est la vie
[18:38] <lleachii> seems an issue with Nivida drivers and Chrome: https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/hardware-accelarated-video-decoding-in-chromium/2262/37
[18:39] <lleachii> WIll try Nouveau when able.
[18:50] <lleachii> so far so good with Nouveau...
[20:15] <Jonopoly> Hmm
[20:34] <lleachii> now remote viewers see camera flickering using Nouveau
[21:00] <lleachii> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5x3rjc5qhQ/


[09:35] <dade`> someone using a macbook ?
[04:48] <dade`> someone with a macbook ?
[08:36] <unimatrix9> hi all
[08:37] <unimatrix9> orinoco 0.15rc3  are there different versions of this driver? ( it seem to be loading on the intersil chipset )