[12:00] <WW_> ...but this is all theoretical!
[12:02] <inklingx> gotd0t: did you edit your /etc/fstab file?
[12:03] <gotd0t> yea i have... but i doesnt do anything
[12:04] <gotd0t> after doing that and then trying to access them it tells me i cant
[12:04] <dreamcatcher> hi ho, anybody experiencing problems with sleep with ubuntu on apple ibook?
[12:04] <inklingx> can you give me the ntfs line in /etc/fstab N
[12:05] <gotd0t> ive tried so many different ways, all from different websites and people
[12:06] <Cube-ness> well, i can hit it from a browser, ui cannot figure out how to set ip up in the printer management deal
[12:06] <Cube-ness> like the address of the printer
[12:07] <Cube-ness> it needs a borswer.. hehe
[12:07] <Cube-ness> printer browser
[12:09] <fragment> Hey, any hpijs gurus?
[12:11] <fragment> I have my local deskjet printing black only, but when I share it out the other clients try to print in color
[12:12] <Cube-ness> what the heck am i supposed to put as the uri on client machine that want to print via cups?
[12:13] <fragment> I can go back to the CUPS engine, but I like the hpijs output better.
[12:13] <fragment> Cube-ness: You have to do a couple of edits to /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[12:13] <fragment> ...first :)
[12:13] <Cube-ness> fragment, i can get in via web browser
[12:13] <fragment> Locally, or remote?
[12:13] <Cube-ness> remote
[12:14] <fragment> Oh, OK, then you have a couple of options.  Are your clients CUPS clients?
[12:14] <Cube-ness> yes
[12:14] <Cube-ness> ubuntu machine as well
[12:14] <Cube-ness> hehe
[12:14] <fragment> Ah, then there's a way that's a piece of cake.  If you turn on browse polling on both the client and server, it'll all just happen.
[12:15] <Cube-ness> lemme try
[12:16] <Cube-ness> whats supposed to just happen?
[12:17] <fragment> Uncomment 'BrowseAddress @LOCAL', 'BrowsePort 631', add 'Allow From @LOCAL' to the <Location />
[12:17] <fragment> ...one more, let me look...
[12:18] <firemouth> anyone willing to help with an Ubuntu/Debian boot problem? GRUB not working.
[12:18] <fragment> Oh, yeah, and uncomment 'Port 631' and comment out 'Listen <IP_ADDRESS>:631'
[12:18] <fragment> (if you haven't already, which it sounds like you have)
[12:18] <Bliksem> how can i adjust the icon size in gnome?
[12:18] <mirak_> firemouth, maybe re-instal grub??
[12:18] <fragment> Then '/etc/init.d/cupsys restart'
[12:19] <firemouth> I get "GRUB loading Stage 1.5.", then "GRUB loading, please wait..." system never boots.
[12:19] <firemouth> this is on a clean install of Ubuntu or Debian network install.
[12:19] <mirak_> bliksem, i havent found a way to auto resize, but you can manually strech the size of each icon, ....er shrink
[12:19] <fragment> Oh, and comment 'Browsing Off'
[12:20] <SamBozo> fragment, I can't get to a printer on an xp box .. is that what I need to do ? go in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf  and edit something?
[12:20] <fragment> Ubuntu's default CUPS config is very secure, but it makes it a bitch to use the standard CUPS browse features.
[12:20] <fragment> SamBozo: Yep
[12:20] <Mitario> hi everyone
[12:20] <mirak_> hi hi
[12:20] <Cube-ness> fragment, hehe.. and the printer just appears on the clients.. heh
[12:20] <Mitario> are there any gtk2.5 packages for ubuntu available? :)
[12:21] <fragment> Cube-ness: Works?
[12:21] <Cube-ness> yep
[12:21] <Cube-ness> thanks
[12:21] <fragment> sweet
[12:21] <mirak_> any wysiwyg html editors in the repository??
[12:22] <jbroome> Mitario: apt-cache search says "yes"
[12:22] <jbroome> mirak_: quanta is
[12:22] <mirak_> jbroom, is it any good?
[12:22] <Mitario> jbroome, it does?
[12:23] <jimi> mirak : nvu? (dont know if it is in repo)
[12:23] <fragment> SamBozo: I might try to put up a page on the wiki.
[12:23] <mirak_> mitario, did you enable universe???
[12:23] <jimi> try sudo apt-get install nvu
[12:23] <mirak_> jimi, nvu is not in repository
[12:23] <jimi> ak
[12:23] <jbroome> mini-flood, please hold:
[12:23] <jimi> sorry
[12:23] <mirak_> jimi, its ok
[12:23] <jbroome>  apt-cache search gtk2.5
[12:23] <jbroome> libwxgtk2.5 - wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (GTK+ runtime)
[12:23] <jbroome> libwxgtk2.5-contrib - wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (runtime contrib libs)
[12:23] <Mitario> well, i have a libgtk2.0-dev here of course, but thats 2.4.10, which is logical, 'cause it's a stable gtk release
[12:23] <jbroome> libwxgtk2.5-contrib-dev - wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (development contrib libs)
[12:23] <jbroome> libwxgtk2.5-dbg - wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (GTK+ development)
[12:23] <jbroome> libwxgtk2.5-dev - wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (GTK+ development)
[12:23] <jbroome> libwxgtk2.5-python - wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython binding)
[12:23] <Mitario> i don't want libwxgtk
[12:24] <Mitario> i want libtk  :)
[12:24] <Mitario> libgtk*
[12:24] <fragment> SamBozo: For you, the big thing will be to add 'Allow From @LOCAL' to the bottom of the <Location /> section of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[12:24] <mirak_> what is this cup stuff??
[12:24] <fragment> SamBozo: Then '/etc/init.d/cupsys restart'
[12:24] <fragment> SamBozo: Then you can use http://yourhostname:631/printers/yourprintername from your XP box.
[12:25] <fragment> SamBozo: You'll still need drivers for your printer, or go to cups.org and download the base CUPS driver for Windows.
[12:25] <ushooz> mirak_, print drivers / server. Best way to get printing working in Linux / OSX
[12:26] <SamBozo> Allow From then the ip the windows box is with the printer on it?
[12:26] <fragment> mirak_: good CUPS information at http://www.cups.org
[12:26] <mirak_> ushooz, thnx
[12:26] <fragment> SamBozo: Say that again?  Your Windows box has the printer attached?
[12:26] <SamBozo> the printer in on the windows box I'm trying to print to it from this ubuntu box
[12:27] <fragment> Ah, OK, then I told you just the opposite.
[12:27] <SamBozo> oops
[12:27] <SamBozo> so start me over
[12:27] <SamBozo> wait let me go back and unedit everything
[12:27] <fragment> SamBozo: You need to go to your Control panel for Windows and add/remove windows components and install print services for UNIX.
[12:28] <fragment> SamBozo: Then you can tell CUPS that you're printing to an LPR printer at the Windows box's IP.
[12:28] <fragment> SamBozo: Then you should be set.
[12:28] <SamBozo> uhhh I had this working from a mandrake box b4 .. so the windows box understands .. it's this ubuntu box that doesn't
[12:28] <fragment> Queue name will be the share name of the Windows printer.
[12:29] <SamBozo> even a slack ware box will do it
[12:29] <fragment> SamBozo: You may have had it using an SMB share, which I think Mandrake does easily.  Not sure about Ubuntu.
[12:30] <SamBozo> I think I have samba running .. so it says in the networking on here
[12:30] <fragment> SamBozo: Computer -> System Configuration -> Printing -> Add Printer.  You'll see the option for a Windows printer right there.
[12:30] <fragment> SamBozo: You should be set.
[12:30] <SamBozo> already did that
[12:30] <SamBozo> it don't work
[12:30] <fragment> SamBozo: Check the event log on your Windows box.
[12:31] <SamBozo> where in the event log ? which section?
[12:32] <fragment> Right-click on My Computer, go down to Manage, upper section, maybe the System log.
[12:33] <sean_>  i find mplayer package?
[12:33] <sean_> that worked well
[12:34] <sean_> What repository can i find the mplayer package?
[12:34] <SamBozo> no such animal .. I'm in the event viewer and have apps security system ans antivirus .. no entrys on any of them
[12:35] <DXT> Im currently running fglrxconfig and I'm in the question of wether should I use the external AGP GART (agpgart.o) module. Should I? (Radeon 9800 Pro)
[12:36] <mirak_> know any good 3d linux mmorpg??
[12:37] <thephotoman> Hello?
[12:37] <mirak_> hi?
[12:37] <thephotoman> okay, so there is someone paying attention to their computer here.
[12:37] <mirak_> yes, this room is active
[12:37] <moyote> lo
[12:37] <thephotoman> Just got done setting up a fresh dual-boot.
[12:37] <Despair> mirak_: planeshift.it, maybe?
[12:37] <mirak_> despair, plainshift no goo, just run around and talk
[12:37] <mirak_> good
[12:37] <Despair> mirak_: Neverwinter Nights has some fairly large persistent world servers.
[12:38] <Despair> mirak_: it's not done yet. next version is supposed to have combat.
[12:38] <moyote> Was wondering if someone could point me in the right docs direction so I can get my zip drive setup. Thanks for anytning.
[12:38] <mirak_> despair, not sure i can run that, alas, radeon 7000/ve
[12:38] <thephotoman> And after that nightmare (caused by Windows), I'm of the opinion that graphical installers are not necessary.
[12:40] <Despair> mirak_: might be slow, but it should run, with s3tc patches, if the card supports s3tc.
[12:40] <mirak_> despair, planeshift...i am aware
[12:40] <mirak_> is neverwinter free????.......my credit card is maxed atm
[12:40] <Despair> mirak_: no. nwn platinum has the game and both expansions in one package, though.
[12:40] <Despair> mirak_: you might check out nethack, for a cheap rpg fix.
[12:40] <mirak_> despair, ok.i will
[12:41] <brettcar> America's Army is free too, if you don't mind propaganda
[12:43] <Despair> brettcar: that's massively less likely to be playable on a Radeon 7000, though
[12:43] <mirak_> brettcar, i def cant play america's army
[12:43] <moyote> Any zip help? :-))
[12:43] <brettcar> Despair: its worth a shot
[12:43] <brettcar> BZFlag will run
[12:43] <brettcar> thats fun and open source
[12:43] <brettcar> bzflag.sf.net
[12:45] <mirak_> depsair, brettcar, i cant even play that on windows
[12:45] <baHam> does anybody use ipod with gtkpod ?
[12:45] <jbroome> mirak_: then I think you're SOL
[12:45] <mirak_> jbroom, i meant americas army, not bzflag
[12:45] <brettcar> you can for sure run bzflag
[12:45] <mirak_> jbroom, i can do ut and ET
[12:45] <mirak_> jbroom, i was just looking for a mmorpg
[12:46] <jbroome> NWN will run on linux
[01:01] <SamBozo> I need help samba is running I can see the shares on the windows boxes from my ubuntu box ..BUT when I try to print to the printer on the windows box I get "Printing: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ESP Ghostscript 7.07 (2003-07-12)"
[01:02] <SamBozo> "Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ERROR: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME"
[01:02] <SamBozo> Device URI: smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/Brother HL-1440
[01:02] <SamBozo> is the error seen on the cups browser page
[01:03] <SamBozo> the work group name must be correct I can see the shares ?????
[01:12] <Cube-ness> hmm.. this is weird.. on my moms computer, a 1.3ghz celeron, grip rips from audio from the cdrom many times faster than my 2.8ghz p4..both have 52x cdroms
[01:12] <Cube-ness> ofcourse mine encodes faster...
[01:13] <Cube-ness> but mine is only riping at like 2x
[01:13] <Cube-ness> maybe a dma issue?
[01:13] <Cube-ness> mine has sata hd.. so maybe dma didnt get set for the cdrom?
[01:14] <Cube-ness> ah.. yep.. dma is off
[01:20] <Cube-ness> how do i turn on dma for my cd drives?
[01:21] <pills_> how can i specify certain programs to start when gnome starts?
[01:21] <joem> computer -> desktop prefs -> sessions
[01:23] <pills_> ty
[01:24] <Cube-ness> hmm...
[01:24] <Cube-ness> /dev/hdb:
[01:24] <Cube-ness>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[01:24] <Cube-ness>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[01:24] <Cube-ness>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[01:25] <joem> Cube-ness, by anychance are you loading the ide-generic driver before the chipset driver?
[01:26] <Cube-ness> i dunno
[01:26] <joem> you know the name of your chipset module?
[01:26] <joem> or what sort of chipset, maybe somebody else in here knows the module name for it
[01:27] <Cube-ness> i see the ide0generic in lsmod
[01:27] <Cube-ness> i load piix for my sata
[01:28] <joem> ok, in /etc/modules..add piix before ide-generic
[01:28] <joem> I had to do the same thing, same dma problem
[01:29] <Cube-ness> well, i had to manually load the piix when i installed.. it load by default now.. not in modules.conf
[01:29] <joem> add it to /etc/modules to make sure it gets loaded before ide-generic does
[01:29] <Cube-ness> ok
[01:42] <mirak_> how to play dvd's?????
[01:42] <joem> read the wiki
[01:42] <mirak_> kk
[01:43] <joem> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=highlight&value=dvd
[01:43] <mirak_> umm...link to the wiki???
[01:43] <mirak_> nvm
[01:43] <phin> heh
[01:43] <joem> chan topics are also helpful
[01:44] <phin> reading involves to much work
[01:48] <BeanDip> phin, what the hell are you doing here
[01:48] <BeanDip> ?
[01:49] <phin> what do you mean?
[01:49] <BeanDip> you the same phin I know from #linuxwarez?
[01:49] <phin> ah
[01:49] <phin> yep
[01:49] <phin> :)
[01:49] <phin> whats up?
[01:49] <BeanDip> you fugger
[01:49] <BeanDip> get back in your box
[01:49] <BeanDip> :P
[01:49] <phin> Lol
[01:49] <BeanDip> nothing
[01:49] <phin> i finally got sc3k running
[01:50] <BeanDip> just playing with ubuntu on a laptop
[01:50] <phin> its about as slow as running it under wine
[01:50] <phin> lol
[01:50] <BeanDip> phin you ever play with scummvm
[01:50] <phin> no
[01:50] <phin> what is that?
[01:50] <BeanDip> play some real games you bitch
[01:50] <phin> haha
[01:50] <phin> games bore me usually
[01:50] <phin> i play sims
[01:51] <BeanDip> scummvm is an emulator that plays old lucal arts scripting language based games like Maniac Mansion, Loom ,Sam 'n Max, The Dig, Broken Sword
[01:51] <BeanDip> real game
[01:51] <BeanDip> s
[01:51] <BeanDip> adventure games
[01:51] <phin> nice
[01:51] <phin> i do like adventure games
[01:52] <phin> looking into it now
[01:52] <wm_eddie> ???
[01:52] <wm_eddie> When I'm browsing a menu I can't turn up the volume with me keyboard.
[01:52] <wm_eddie> I never noticed.
[01:52] <phin> is it that big of a deal?
[01:53] <wm_eddie> Well It doesn't happen often but it did just now.
[01:53] <BeanDip> do an "apt-get scummvm beneath-a-steel-sky flight-of-the-amazon-queen"
[01:53] <BeanDip> great games
[01:53] <BeanDip> and I can send you others
[01:54] <phin> sounds good
[01:54] <phin> i just bookmarked it
[01:54] <BeanDip> check out http://www.scummvm.org
[01:54] <wm_eddie> University of Washington research this March published a moderate estimate of 5.1% PCs running spyware."
[01:54] <wm_eddie> LOL yeah right!
[01:54] <wm_eddie> I'd say 99%
[01:55] <phin> ya i say alot more
[01:56] <theantix> maybe they don't count adware as spyware
[01:56] <aitrus> anyone know why when i say "update-rc.d hdparm defaults" it tells me that system start links already exist when they don't?
[02:00] <aitrus> ahhh... it's in rcS.d
[02:01] <wm_eddie> I have to learn how rc*.d works one day.
[02:01] <wm_eddie> Especially for my laptop, if I do console only, I can get 3 hours of battery life.
[02:02] <wm_eddie> Ahh, why is there no unrar in universe?
[02:02] <gotd0t> can anybody help me get my sound working?
[02:02] <gotd0t> i have an audigy
[02:02] <wm_eddie> I know it sucks, but ... sometimes you just can't avoid it.
[02:03] <bronson> wm_eddie: because it's decidedly non-free.
[02:03] <bronson> # deb http://debian.jones.dk sid misc
[02:03] <bronson> That's where I got mine.
[02:03] <BeanDip> gotd0t: easy
[02:03] <BeanDip> you need to modprobe the following modules and add them to your /etc/modules   snd-emu10k1 snd-enu10k1-gp snd-emu10k1-synth snd-seq-oss snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss
[02:04] <BeanDip> gotd0t: does that answer your question?
[02:06] <Mais> anyone have any idea why the alsa libraries would give me a configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[02:07] <Mais> er on a dot slash configure
[02:09] <lifeless> Mais: have you installed the C++ compiler?
[02:10] <Mais> gcc (GCC) 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9ubuntu5)
[02:10] <wm_eddie> Mais: and have you installed build-essentials?
[02:10] <Mais> ive installed the driver portion of Alsa already and it worked just fine
[02:10] <Mais> hmm
[02:12] <Mais> eddie: thanks, i think that will do the trick
[02:21] <Bentley> do i risk damaging my ubuntu install if I use apt-get repositories other than the ubuntu ones?
[02:23] <dickmorrell> Bentley, I have about 8 other repositories
[02:23] <dickmorrell> listed in my apt sources
[02:23] <Bentley> thx dick - just making sure
[02:24] <dickmorrell> no probs
[02:24] <BeanDip> dickmorrell: what repositories are you using?
[02:25] <dickmorrell> allsorts mainly sourced from Bruce Benson of Debian Planet
[02:25] <dickmorrell> some public some private
[02:25] <WW_> Did the format of sources.list change from the wart preview to the release candidate?
[02:25] <WW_> warty*
[02:25] <phin> no
[02:25] <lifeless> WW_: no, sources.list is the standard format
[02:25] <dickmorrell> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[02:25] <Bentley> i notice the ubuntu repositories are lacking common (IMHO) things. .. like mysql-dev and openssl-dev
[02:26] <phin> the format should be the same
[02:26] <dickmorrell> and universal will cover most needs
[02:26] <dickmorrell> universe even - tired apologies
[02:27] <WW_> By "format", I mean did any repository entries change from a single line (e.g. main restricted) to two lines (one for main, one for restrictd)?
[02:27] <dickmorrell> not that I am aware
[02:29] <WW_> Same question for cupsd.conf... has this file been tweaked between preview and release candidate?
[02:29] <dickmorrell> try doing a diff
[02:29] <daedelus> does ubuntu have apt-get?
[02:29] <dickmorrell> its far less lazy
[02:30] <dickmorrell> daedelus, yep
[02:30] <daedelus> ok cool
[02:30] <WW_> dickmorrell: How can I get the RC versions?
[02:30] <daedelus> will be installing ubuntu then
[02:30] <dickmorrell> try the old iso versions
[02:31] <dickmorrell> whats your prob with cups
[02:31] <toyowheelin> is smb4k availible to ubuntu?
[02:32] <SamBozo> hi dickmorrell long time .. from the smoothie days .. gud to see u
[02:32] <dickmorrell> its not in any of the repositories toyowheelin
[02:32] <dickmorrell> you can compile from sources on samba.org
[02:32] <dickmorrell> its a no brainer
[02:32] <toyowheelin> thats too bad
[02:32] <dickmorrell> SamBozo, hello
[02:32] <toyowheelin> yeak I will
[02:32] <toyowheelin> *yeah
[02:33] <dickmorrell> deb ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/smb4k/unsupported/Debian/stable/ ./
[02:33] <dickmorrell> toyowheelin, build from there
[02:33] <dickmorrell> just apt-get install it
[02:34] <SamBozo> speaking of cups and samba <g> samba is working on my ubuntu .. I can see shares but I get an error when I try to print to the xp boxes printer .. will get the error, just a sec
[02:34] <toyowheelin> umm ok, just d/l it and than do apt-get install smb4k from the dir that its in?
[02:34] <dickmorrell> sudo apt-get install
[02:34] <dickmorrell> everything else taken care of
[02:34] <toyowheelin> ok thanks
[02:34] <dickmorrell> or add that rep url to synaptic
[02:35] <dickmorrell> and update sources
[02:35] <SamBozo> "Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ERROR: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME"
[02:35] <dickmorrell> people still run Windows ?
[02:35] <SamBozo> not by choice
[02:35] <dickmorrell> jeesh
[02:35] <dickmorrell> same
[02:35] <dickmorrell> I got given an XP box 2k worth of new laptop
[02:35] <dickmorrell> 2 months ago at work
[02:35] <dickmorrell> I get in everyday and ctrl alt del to screensaver
[02:35] <dickmorrell> and then boot up two linux lappies
[02:36] <dickmorrell> I dont think I've ever used the XP thinkpad
[02:36] <dickmorrell> no tell a lie I did use it to balance a sandwich wrapper
[02:36] <SamBozo> hehehe gud usage
[02:37] <SamBozo> and the ansrwe to my ? would be?   ... drum roll ...
[02:37] <SamBozo> that's the error I cee on the cups page here on the ubunto box
[02:38] <SamBozo> -o+u
[02:38] <SamBozo> damn getting late spelling is worse than normal
[02:39] <dickmorrell> dude google is your friend
[02:39] <dickmorrell> I dont use samba
[02:39] <SamBozo> I did that ..
[02:39] <dickmorrell> nfs is my friend
[02:39] <dickmorrell> try looking up Dan Shearer on Samba team
[02:39] <dickmorrell> you'll find his email on samba page
[02:39] <dickmorrell> mail him
[02:39] <dickmorrell> he wrote the print extensions for smb
[02:39] <dickmorrell> say I sent you
[02:39] <SamBozo> hmm but if i can see the shares what's the error talking about ..
[02:39] <dickmorrell> read above
[02:39] <SamBozo> k
[02:40] <dickmorrell> do you have your smb.conf set locally
[02:40] <dickmorrell> with the same network name
[02:40] <dickmorrell> as your host workgroup ?
[02:40] <dickmorrell> and then smbclient using said above .conf
[02:40] <SamBozo> yes or the shares wouldn't work
[02:40] <dickmorrell> thats what I thought
[02:41] <SamBozo> the deal is printing to the xp box worked when mandrake was installed so I know thet end is fine
[02:41] <SamBozo> and a slack box can print to it
[02:41] <SamBozo> soo......
[02:41] <BeanDip> anyone ever setup pdf printer under gnome before want to give a quick howto
[02:42] <dickmorrell> ???
[02:42] <dickmorrell> Beandip you new to Linux
[02:42] <BeanDip> not at all
[02:42] <BeanDip> I just never fucked with printing to pdf
[02:42] <dickmorrell> hmm
[02:42] <dickmorrell> ok
[02:42] <dickmorrell> open openoffice
[02:42] <dickmorrell> or abiword
[02:42] <toyowheelin> dickmorrell, its not installing
[02:42] <dickmorrell> or whatever you want to print
[02:43] <dickmorrell> toyowheelin, google is your friend
[02:43] <dickmorrell> OpenOffice has Pdf printing built in
[02:43] <dickmorrell> for screen / print / media
[02:43] <BeanDip> dickmorrell: I have a client who wants to have a systemwide pdf printer running under cups using the cups-pdf package
[02:43] <dickmorrell> Acrobat 6 onwards compatible
[02:43] <dickmorrell> ok
[02:43] <BeanDip> I know how to set it up on a per-app basis
[02:43] <dickmorrell> ok..
[02:43] <BeanDip> just not systemwide with cups
[02:43] <dickmorrell> what server ?
[02:44] <BeanDip> cups
[02:44] <BeanDip> I just installed the cups-pdf package
[02:44] <dickmorrell> no
[02:44] <dickmorrell> what os
[02:44] <dickmorrell> Ubuntu as server ?
[02:44] <BeanDip> ubuntu
[02:44] <dickmorrell> and client
[02:44] <BeanDip> yes
[02:44] <BeanDip> same
[02:45] <dickmorrell> or Win boxes printing to Ubuntu as network smb pdf
[02:45] <BeanDip> all *nix network
[02:45] <dickmorrell> http://xtronics.com/reference/print2pdf.htm
[02:45] <BeanDip> thanks
[02:46] <dickmorrell> or http://cip.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~vrbehr/cups-pdf/
[02:46] <BeanDip> kde has it built into their kprinter sytem, but this cat doesn't do KDE, e balked at the suggestion and wants to stick to gnome and CDE
[02:46] <dickmorrell> cde oh safe
[02:46] <dickmorrell> read second url
[02:46] <dickmorrell> just in case..
[02:47] <dickmorrell> I get amazed when I see how many of my Solaris sysadmins migrate from CDE to Gnome
[02:50] <daedelus> what boot loader does ubuntu use by default?
[02:50] <sladen> daedelus: grub
[02:51] <daedelus> dammit
[02:51] <daedelus> i hate grub
[02:51] <gotd0t> does anybody know of any linux versions of ActiveSync for PPC's?
[02:51] <sladen> daedelus: apt-get install lilo
[02:51] <daedelus> yea i know..
[02:51] <daedelus> heh
[02:52] <sladen> gotd0t: sounds like a Microsoft product from Googling
[02:52] <sladen> gotd0t: do you mean ActiveSync, or something compatible/similar
[02:53] <sladen> gotd0t: perhaps try  synce or Multisync
[02:53] <dickmorrell> he means to tie
[02:53] <dickmorrell> in a piece of shit PDA
[02:53] <dickmorrell> like I have three of
[02:53] <dickmorrell> sat there doing squat
[02:53] <dickmorrell> hence Sharp Zaurus now :)
[02:53] <dickmorrell> three new HP and Toshiba Pocket PC2003s now sat redundant
[02:54] <dickmorrell> http://openwince.sourceforge.net
[02:54] <dickmorrell> and may the force be with you
[02:54] <dickmorrell> you'll need it
[02:54] <moyogo> hi there
[02:54] <moyogo> i'm having problems using some autogen.sh
[02:54] <sladen> dickmorrell: mail them to me;  then I can run Debian on them!  :)
[02:55] <moyogo> cc1plus cannot be found, is it in any ubuntu package?
[02:55] <sladen> moyogo: apt-get install build-essential
[02:55] <moyogo> sladen: thanks
[02:55] <dickmorrell> http://synce.sourceforge.net/synce/
[02:55] <richnrockvillemd> Is there a version of Pine for Ubuntu?
[02:55] <dickmorrell> sladen: no thanks I use them to sniff out
[02:55] <dickmorrell> wireless APs on the move
[02:56] <dickmorrell> only thing they're useful for
[02:56] <dickmorrell> especially the e740
[02:56] <sladen> richnrockvillemd: Pine has licensing issues.  It's probabl .... [oh well]
[02:57] <dickmorrell> http://src.braincells.com/debian/woody/pine/
[02:57] <dickmorrell> just go
[02:57] <dickmorrell> install
[02:57] <dickmorrell> enjoy
[02:58] <dickmorrell> or use Mutt :)
[02:58] <dickmorrell> you might be able to source a Sarg or unstable build
[02:58] <dickmorrell> that is newer
[03:04] <BeanDip> I've noticed that recently k3b is reporting that my dvd+r/+rw on my desktop and the cdr/rw/dvd combo drive in my laptop don't write cds and it only allows me to write cdrw or dvd+r/+rw
[03:04] <BeanDip> is this a knownbug?
[03:04] <BeanDip> anyone else have the same issue?
[03:04] <BeanDip> I can still burn from the command line
[03:05] <dickmorrell> BeanDip, not used cd burning at all under Ubuntu
[03:05] <dickmorrell> have only installed experimental laptops and one desktop
[03:05] <dickmorrell> I use CentOS with k3b on main wkstn with no issues
[03:05] <dickmorrell> and that is latest build of k3b
[03:06] <dickmorrell> writes cdr+cdrw
[03:08] <GOwin> hi all. i'm having problems with an ubuntu installation. the grub installation fails and i now can't boot my laptop
[03:08] <BeanDip> dickmorrell: How do you like centos?
[03:12] <dickmorrell> GOwin, what lappy
[03:16] <GOwin> an ibm 1300
[03:16] <dickmorrell> GOwin, I use
[03:17] <dickmorrell> two A20ms a 240, 600e, X20 and T20
[03:17] <FireRabbit> how can I add the debian experimental repository to ubuntu (or is this incompatible)?
[03:17] <dickmorrell> all with Ubuntu happily
[03:17] <dickmorrell> all thinkpads
[03:17] <dickmorrell> FireRabbit, which repository ?
[03:17] <jdub> FireRabbit: strongly discouraged
[03:17] <dickmorrell> find the url and add it to apt sources AT YOUR PERIL
[03:17] <jdub> FireRabbit: if you have to use something from experimental, better to build it from source packages
[03:17] <FireRabbit> dickmorrell, i was looking at http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
[03:17] <FireRabbit> jdub, yeah?
[03:17] <jdub> FireRabbit: what do you need it for?
[03:18] <dickmorrell> you're either brave or... misadvised
[03:18] <FireRabbit> firefox and a few other things
[03:18] <FireRabbit> dickmorrell, i'm not farmiliar with ubuntu or debian
[03:18] <dickmorrell> FireRabbit, latest Ubuntu has a more stable version of firefox
[03:18] <jdub> FireRabbit: probably best to stick with the current, supported packages where you can
[03:18] <dickmorrell> yep
[03:18] <dickmorrell> echoed..
[03:18] <FireRabbit> dickmorrell, well, I want the new 0.10
[03:19] <jdub> FireRabbit: we were using 0.10, but reverted; it's quite unstable
[03:19] <Oolong> why?   I didnt see anything better about it before they backed it down
[03:19] <FireRabbit> I'm using it here on a non ubuntu system and it's never crashed once
[03:19] <dickmorrell> yep the reverted version is much more stable
[03:19] <dickmorrell> less javascript grief
[03:19] <dickmorrell> Oolong, did you test it ??
[03:19] <dickmorrell> it was borked..
[03:19] <dickmorrell> javascript hell.. it was just trash
[03:20] <Oolong> I didnt have any problems with firefox before or after the reverted
[03:20] <ShadowHawk> There doesn't appear to be a rar package - how do I unrar a .rar file?  (apt-get install rar says certain packages point to it, but it's not there.  For example, ark suggests rar)
[03:20] <jdub> ShadowHawk: rar is in multiverse, i think
[03:21] <jdub> yeah
[03:21] <Oolong> but really dont see any need to go setting up .10 before they add it back to the repository
[03:21] <GOwin> actually, i've used ubuntu on it before. now, it won't install any linux distro at all. issue with mbr?
[03:21] <ShadowHawk> jdub: You mean universe?
[03:21] <jdub> ShadowHawk: no, multiverse :)
[03:21] <crimsun> ShadowHawk: it's a faq.
[03:21] <ShadowHawk> Fine.
[03:21] <crimsun> please see the faq on the wiki :)
[03:21] <jdub> ShadowHawk: universe == debian main, multiverse == contrib+non-free+otherstuff
[03:21] <jono> hi all
[03:21] <dickmorrell> GOwin, could be - try booting floppy and fdisk /mbr
[03:22] <dickmorrell> and see how you get on
[03:22] <jono> what do I need to get DVD support going
[03:22] <jono> dickmorrell, yo dick :)
[03:22] <dickmorrell> jono hellooo
[03:22] <dickmorrell> cant sleep
[03:22] <jdub> totem-xine + libdvdcss2
[03:22] <crimsun> jono: also a faq, please see its section on the wiki.
[03:22] <ShadowHawk> Rar's not free?
[03:22] <jdub> ShadowHawk: nup
[03:22] <dickmorrell> jono if you want dvd stuff msg me
[03:23] <jono> cheers
[03:23] <ShadowHawk> apt-get install ubuntu
[03:24] <sladen> jono: uncomment   main/illegal  in sources.list ;-)
[03:25] <jono> heh
[03:25] <jono> where is libdvdcss2?
[03:25] <jdub> on the vlc site, among other places
[03:25] <jono> ahhh ok
[03:26] <dickmorrell> jono see faq url
[03:26] <ShadowHawk> We should put a "Have you checked the FAQ?" bot
[03:26] <dickmorrell> last person you ever want to teach to suck
[03:26] <dickmorrell> eggs is Jono B
[03:26] <dickmorrell> he'll come round your house, shave your ass
[03:27] <dickmorrell> and then stick a guitar up it
[03:27] <ShadowHawk> what
[03:27] <ShadowHawk> k
[03:27] <jono> hehe
[03:27] <dickmorrell> in the presence of royalty its custom to bow
[03:27] <daniels> dickmorrell: massively off-topic -- please take it to #offtopic
[03:29] <FireRabbit> does totem segfault for everyone if you try to play an mp3 with gstreamer set to use ALSA or should I submit a bug report?
[03:30] <GOwin> are there no equivalent fdisk /mbr in live linux cds?
[03:30] <dickmorrell> FireRabbit, best thing is to remove Totem and put Xine on
[03:30] <SamBozo> I can't believe you have to go to universal to find mc for installation....
[03:30] <dickmorrell> Totem is cool but Xine rocks - realise its heavier
[03:30] <dickmorrell> gxine is in Universe as is Xine
[03:31] <dickmorrell> you'll need libdvdnav and libdvdcss2
[03:31] <dickmorrell> etc
[03:31] <FireRabbit> dickmorrell, well it's working fine with OSS, its not a problem right now i am just wondering
[03:31] <Despair> dickmorrell: and switch to something other than metacity, so that it doesn't lock up with xine-ui's menus
[03:31] <jdub> just use totem-xine
[03:31] <FireRabbit> jdub, yeah I saw that package, just wondering
[03:32] <jdub> FireRabbit: generally, leave things set to use OSS emulation
[03:32] <dickmorrell> Despair, true
[03:32] <Despair> metacity is one broken wm, switch to something else and save on the weird surprises. I've seen so many bugs in it related to incorrect window hint handling...
[03:32] <FireRabbit> jdub, well on this  system i am typing on (which isnt running ubuntu or debian) I have all of oss disabled :)
[03:33] <ShadowHawk> SamBozo: I agree.  MC should practically replace Nano in the installer even.
[03:34] <jdub> FireRabbit: we use the alsa kernel drivers by default, but use oss emulation from userland, because it's far more reliable than current direct use of the alsa libraries.
[03:35] <dickmorrell> jdub is spot on
[03:35] <FireRabbit> jdub, understood
[03:35] <jono> is there a gconf tutorial?
[03:35] <jono> there must be some cool things you can do with gconf
[03:35] <jdub> jono: developer or user?
[03:35] <jono> jdub, user - funky things to configure the desktop etc
[03:35] <jdub> http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ and http://www.gnome.org/learn/ (see the admin guide)
[03:36] <pills_> is there a way to copy folders and files that start with a '.', cp isnt cutting it (it copies '..' as well)
[03:36] <jdub> pills_: cp .??*
[03:36] <brettcar> cp \.filename
[03:37] <brettcar> of course
[03:37] <jdub> you don't need the escape
[03:37] <brettcar> cp -r .folder other-folder
[03:37] <brettcar> shuch just work fine
[03:37] <brettcar> should*
[03:37] <jdub> and it won't help you if you want to copy multiple files :)
[03:37] <pills_> yeah im trying to copy multiple files/dirs
[03:37] <pills_> jdub: cp .??*
[03:37] <pills_> ?
[03:37] <jdub> yes
[03:37] <pills_> ok ill try that
[03:38] <pills_> wut about removing files? same thing?
[03:38] <jdub> that matches dot, any one character, any one character, any number of characters
[03:38] <jdub> thus skipping ..
[03:38] <pills_> excellent
[03:39] <jono> jdub, I am not seeing an admin section - am I blind?
[03:40] <maswan> jdub: unfortunately, that won't catch .X/
[03:40] <pills_> tnx jdub..restart time
[03:41] <FireRabbit> can you do something like cp .[!.] *
[03:41] <jono> jdub, got it now :)
[03:43] <mjg59> jono: gconf is mostly self-documenting, though not well indexed
[03:43] <dickmorrell> guys I'm getting hassle from Dan Stone
[03:43] <dickmorrell> head wedged firmly up his ass
[03:43] <dickmorrell> for mentioning guitar up ass
[03:43] <dickmorrell> so..
[03:43] <mjg59> dickmorrell: Insulting developers is not a good way of making friends
[03:43] <dickmorrell> after 14 mins of getting lectured
[03:43] <dickmorrell> am off to wrok
[03:44] <dickmorrell> mjg59 no-one insulted anyone
[03:44] <dickmorrell> it was called humour
[03:44] <mjg59> dickmorrell: <dickmorrell> head wedged firmly up his ass
[03:44] <dickmorrell> is called humour
[03:44] <mjg59> It's not obviously humour of any classical description
[03:44] <dickmorrell> you should hang out in kernel.org
[03:44] <mjg59> Certainly not classical British humour
[03:44] <dickmorrell> lol on that note I need to finish an article
[03:45] <mjg59> Are you really laughing?
[03:45] <dickmorrell> yes
[03:45] <mjg59> Hurrah
[03:45] <mjg59> Actually, no. I do apologise for that.
[03:49] <jono> mjg59, no worries
[03:50] <daniels> jono: 'evening
[03:50] <jono> daniels, heya buddy
[03:51] <mjg59> jono: The best way to find cool stuff in gconf is to check the descriptions of the various entries. Undocumented stuff is theoretically buggy.
[03:51] <mjg59> But for the most part, there's not a huge amount of gconf stuff that's both useful and not exposed in the GUI
[03:51] <jono> yeah, thats what I am interested in
[03:51] <jono> any interesting stuff spring to mind?
[03:52] <mjg59> Heh
[03:52] <mjg59> The only thing I've changed is middle click to open new URL in epiphany
[03:52] <jono> :)
[03:52] <mjg59> I think the default is to use that for scrolling
[03:53] <jono> right
[03:55] <mjg59> Oh, strictly speaking I've used it to get GTK to use the Beagle backend rather than the gnome-vfs backend, but that's not likely to work for most people :)
[03:56] <jono> hehe
[03:56] <jdub> there's a 'gnome hacks' site
[03:56] <jono> anything else cool with gconf?
[03:56] <jdub> which is more a list of random crack
[03:56] <jdub> jono: gconf just stores settings. it's not designed to be cool.
[03:57] <jdub> the 2.8 version includes search
[03:57] <jono> jdub, heh
[03:57] <jdub> version of gconf-editor
[03:57] <mjg59> jono: Seriously, the primary purpose of gconf-editor is to let people set default settings for users
[03:58] <mjg59> It's not like the Windows registry - we don't hide everything you need to actually use the OS in there :)
[03:58] <wm_eddie> Anybody here know how to make a program written in pygtk catch XF86Audio events?
[03:59] <jdub> ok
[03:59] <jdub> guessing time!
[03:59] <mjg59> jdub: I love guessing time!
[03:59] <jdub> everybody... guess how many subscribers are on ubuntu-announce!
[03:59] <vorlon> wm_eddie: the XF86Audio keypress events?
[03:59] <wm_eddie> Multimedia keys
[03:59] <jono> this is why gconf is good, often used options are in the desktop, lesser used stuff in gconf
[04:00] <wm_eddie> like "XF86XK_play"
[04:00] <Zindar> jdub: 2438 ?
[04:00] <aitrus> 42
[04:00] <jdub> jono: that's said quite a bit, but it's not really true
[04:00] <vorlon> wm_eddie: assuming those key events are bound to the keys correctly, it should be just like catching any other key.
[04:00] <jdub> Zindar: lower
[04:00] <mjg59> jdub: 16,000,000
[04:00] <jono> jdub, how so?
[04:00] <jdub> aitrus: higher (spank)
[04:00] <maswan> Zindar: not in sweden, I guess?
[04:00] <wm_eddie> vorlon: I can't find any documentation on it on google.
[04:00] <jdub> jono: stuff that is in gconf that is not in the ui is the exception to the rule. it's not a design choice that they should be there.
[04:00] <Zindar> maswan, no.. sydney
[04:01] <jdub> jono: more often than not, what's in the ui is in gconf.
[04:01] <wm_eddie> vorlon: And I looked at what Muine does to make it happen...
[04:01] <maswan> Zindar: ah, good.. ehmm.. afternoon? :)
[04:01] <vorlon> wm_eddie: but if you mean that you want to bind to the key event globally, I personally have no idea how to do that from pygtk.
[04:01] <Zindar> maswan, about lunch
[04:01] <jdub> Zindar: ah, erik :)
[04:01] <jono> jdub, yeah, but there is still a filtering process in which options are mapped to typical user needs - this does not happen in KDE for example
[04:01] <maswan> Zindar: ah, close enough. :)
[04:01] <Zindar> jdub, yeah :)
[04:01] <jdub> jono: that generally doesn't involve gconf though
[04:02] <maswan> jdub: old umu.se:ian :)
[04:02] <mjg59> jono: Sure, there's a small number of things that are configurable that aren't exposed to the UI. In most cases, in an ideal world they wouldn't be configurable :)
[04:02] <jdub> aha!
[04:02] <wm_eddie> http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/muine/libmuine/mm-keys.c?rev=1.2&view=markup
[04:02] <jdub> cool :)
[04:02] <wm_eddie> that's how muine does it.
[04:02] <wm_eddie> and then it has mmkey.cs in the src directory to connect it to the GUI...
[04:03] <Zindar> jdub: so.. how many
[04:03] <Zindar> ?
[04:03] <jono> I thought gconf was a means to configure settings and not put them in the main UI, maybeI got this wrong :P
[04:03] <mjg59> Incidentally, did I mention how cool beagle is?
[04:03] <jdub> Zindar: lower than your guess :)
[04:03] <Zindar> maswan, what are you doing up?
[04:03] <Zindar> jdub, you said so... 243?
[04:03] <jdub> jono: lots of people get that wrong
[04:03] <Zindar> :)
[04:03] <jdub> jono: gconf is the storage and notification mechanism for settings
[04:03] <jdub> higher!
[04:03] <vorlon> jdub: including lots of software authors, bleh.
[04:04] <maswan> Zindar: broking sleeping pattern together with an early flight to lcsc
[04:04] <mjg59> jdub: Less than 16,000,000?
[04:04] <jdub> mjg59: yes. spank.
[04:04] <Se7h> hey to all
[04:04] <Zindar> lcsc?
[04:04] <jono> jdub, ahhh, I see
[04:05] <maswan> Zindar: linux clusters for super computing or something like that, conference in linkping
[04:05] <jdub> jono: see CoG and gTweakUI for some settings that are not exposed by the gnome ui
[04:05] <Zindar> maswan, ahh.. you're going to that one.. I was there a few years ago... like.. three
[04:05] <Dekkard> anyewhere you can find a tutorial for making ubuntu .debs?
[04:05] <jdub> Dekkard: debian.org -> see the new maintainer guide
[04:05] <jono> jdub, cool :)
[04:06] <jono> jdub, oh, good work on ubuntu recently by the way, you guys are doing a great job :)
[04:06] <Dekkard> thanks jdub
[04:06] <jdub> thanks
[04:06] <Dekkard> yes good job
[04:06] <Zindar> yeah... ubuntu really really rocks...  :)
[04:06] <daniels> jono: thanks dude
[04:07] <daniels> mjg59: 16 million?
[04:07] <maswan> jdub: hmm.. 15000000?
[04:07] <mjg59> daniels: If I think big all the time, I am disappointed all the time. As a result, I am used to disappointment and rarely feel unhappy.
[04:07] <jono> its a really great distro
[04:08] <daniels> mjg59: your LiveJournal disagrees with you
[04:08] <mjg59> daniels: Anger does not imply unhappiness
[04:09] <maswan> jdub: so.. higher or lower?
[04:09] <daniels> mjg59: fair enough
[04:09] <jdub> lower, silly :)
[04:10] <maswan> jdub: 14500000?
[04:10] <wm_eddie> Man this is incredibly complicated.
[04:10] <daniels> is this like 'guess how many jellybeans in the jar'?  and do I win a car if I get it right?
[04:10] <Zindar> maswan, wasn't it less that 2438 ? :)
[04:10] <mjg59> Would an Ubuntu car include a free scantily clad woman?
[04:11] <vorlon> daniels: no, you win artwork of... damn, mjg59 was faster.
[04:11] <maswan> Zindar: oh. missed that bit then.
[04:11] <daniels> oh man
[04:11] <jdub> PWC Re-Added With Binary Driver Reverse-Engineered
[04:11] <jdub> ^ oooh!
[04:12] <maswan> well, 1300?
[04:12] <mjg59> jdub: Dude, you are so a month ago
[04:12] <vorlon> jdub: 1024.
[04:12] <mjg59> And tell us the number, goddamnit
[04:12] <jdub> KT is pretty slow these days :|
[04:12] <jdub> maswan, vorlon: higher!
[04:12] <maswan> oh, right, I have a real reason to be here these days
[04:12] <maswan> jdub: 1924?
[04:12] <daniels> 400,000
[04:12] <vorlon> jdub: 2048!
[04:13] <maswan> I run ubuntu on the laptop. I forgot, being comfortable with the usual fvwm install from universe. :)
[04:13] <jdub> both lower
[04:13] <vorlon> 1536.
[04:13] <maswan> jdub: 1600?
[04:13] <jdub> ooh, i goofed up
[04:13] <jdub> maswan's earlier was lower
[04:13] <jdub> anyway
[04:13] <jdub> it's 1297
[04:13] <Zindar> ohh
[04:14] <maswan> ah, I was pretty close then. :)
[04:14] <jdub> i think we can do better than that for our announce list
[04:14] <Zindar> that was going to be my next guess :)
[04:14] <vorlon> right, everybody gets to spank jdub for that one.
[04:14] <jdub> :)
[04:14] <jdub> users is only a little bit lower
[04:14] <mjg59> vorlon: I give up my right to spank jdub in order to provide you with more spanking
[04:15] <jdub> these spankings are non-transferrable
[04:15] <mjg59> jdub: I wish to transfer my spanking
[04:15] <mjg59> Are you saying that I have been misled over the provision of service?
[04:15] <jdub> mmmmm, service

[04:16] <mjg59> I desperately need to pre-order GTA: San Andreas
[04:16] <mjg59> jdub: You're getting married soon. You're not allowed to fantasise about service.
[04:17] <daniels> jdub: ubuntu-users subscribers?
[04:17] <jdub> 954
[04:17] <mjg59> Zindar: I find your ideas intruiging and wish to subscribe to your newsletter
[04:17] <daniels> jdub: what's the 1297 figure?
[04:17] <jdub> -announce
[04:17] <jdub> they're very close
[04:17] <daniels> oh, u-a
[04:17] <daniels> yeah
[04:17] <daniels> phat
[04:19] <harfooz> hi all. I'm new to ubuntu coming from fc2, and need to install latex2html on my desktop. But I read that one should not mix debian and ubuntu packages, so I'm worried that I would screw up my system. What is the proper way to install a package that I can't find on my ubuntu synaptic (even with the unverse repo's checked)?
[04:20] <Zindar> mjg59? que? :)
[04:20] <maswan> Zindar: I suspect he's just looking for HOT ARTWORK PIX!1!!
[04:21] <Zindar> maswan, hehe :)
[04:21] <vorlon> harfooz: have you tried hevea?  latex2html is only available from Debian's non-free archive.
[04:22] <harfooz> vorlon: no I haven't, but will google for it to learn more about it -- does it accomplish the same task as latex2html?
[04:22] <vorlon> harfooz: all of the Debian packages that previously used latex2html have been ported to use hevea now, with moderate amount of effort.
[04:23] <harfooz> vorlon: did something bad happen with latex2html? it's been around a while, thought.
[04:23] <Ninjas-Rezatm> anyone listen to GamingFM?
[04:23] <mjg59> (because we care)
[04:23] <vorlon> harfooz: <shrug> there were license provisions that didn't meet the DFSG, I don't remember the exact details.
[04:23] <harfooz> ah.
[04:25] <harfooz> so are there any people who use ubuntu to get x config'd and then somehow "transform" their ubuntu system into a debian system?
[04:26] <harfooz> there are some folks who do that with libranet: take a libranet installation and basically make it into an all-sid system.
[04:26] <jdub> sounds like crack to me
[04:26] <epotash> hi
[04:27] <jdub> epotash: btw, i think i have a solution for you
[04:27] <epotash> i have debian woody running on a laptop with no cd rom, how can i do a net install of ubuntu
[04:27] <epotash> what is that
[04:27] <jdub> epotash: you can upgrade your minimal woody to ubuntu fairly easily
[04:27] <jdub> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[04:27] <jdub> ^ grab the sources.list bits from there
[04:27] <jdub> do an apt-get update
[04:28] <jdub> the apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:28] <epotash> will it be the same as installing ubuntu fresh?
[04:28] <maswan> epotash: there are ubuntu netboot images around
[04:28] <jdub> epotash: and read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fUpgradeNotes
[04:28] <jdub> epotash: with the above notes, you can get it there
[04:28] <maswan> epotash: that's how I installed the machine I'm currently typing on. :)
[04:28] <Zindar> maswan, are you running ubuntu yet or are you still a wannabe? :)
[04:29] <Zindar> and that answered that question :)
[04:29] <maswan> Zindar: I did on this laptop, I'm unpure though since I use fvwm and not this fancy "gnome" stuff. ;)
[04:29] <epotash> maswan, where are the netboot images
[04:30] <maswan> epotash: one warning first, have you setup netboot for the debian-installer or similar?
[04:30] <Zindar> maswan, I haven't been using fvwm since '99
[04:30] <epotash> i did it for debian, yes
[04:30] <maswan> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[04:30] <maswan> well then, there they are
[04:30] <epotash> whats the warning?
[04:31] <maswan> well, if you have no clue about doing netinstalls, I don't have time for handholding now. I have to go shower and catch a flight
[04:32] <maswan> the debian-installer docs should have a section on pxeboot.cfg stuff that should be pretty identical to ubuntu
[04:32] <epotash> well, thank you
[04:32] <jdub> epotash: upgrading your current install might be simpler :)
[04:32] <epotash> yeah, i am probably going to try that first
[04:33] <epotash> in fact, im not going to do any of this now, i need to install java and set up an app to present in school tommorow
[04:44] <Zindar> nah... lunch
[04:45] <censoredr> hello?
[04:45] <moyogo> hello
[04:46] <cianid3> hello
[04:46] <censoredr> anyone know what you do to recreate your home directory after accidently deleting it.  I just want to get it back to the default setting with out reinstalling the whole distro.
[04:46] <cianid3> mkdir /home/yourname
[04:47] <cianid3> after that
[04:47] <cianid3> chown yourname:users /home/yourname
[04:47] <cianid3> do that as root
[04:47] <cianid3> wait you use ubuntu
[04:47] <cianid3> did you set a root password?
[04:48] <censoredr> Yeah.  I recreated the director but I get errors because files are missing.
[04:48] <brettcar> couldn't you just boot with init=/bin/sh
[04:48] <cianid3> you need to change the owner of the directory
[04:48] <cianid3> so that user can write to it
[04:49] <censoredr> I did that but I'm missing the default files
[04:49] <cianid3> you don't need "defualt files"
[04:49] <cianid3> it will recreate them
[04:49] <speel> when is the release going to be a final?
[04:49] <Dethread> 20th or something
[04:49] <cianid3> sometime next week
[04:49] <censoredr> So it normal not to have any desktop icons or start menu like thing?
[04:50] <Dethread> yes, that's normal
[04:50] <cianid3> censor: it will recreate the files
[04:50] <cianid3> if you will listen
[04:50] <speel> ah ok thanks ;)
[04:50] <cianid3> and type the command i told you
[04:50] <cianid3> all will be fine
[04:53] <speel> any one knows if they will change anything?
[04:53] <Dethread> nothing major
[04:53] <toyowheelin> hello all
[04:53] <Dethread> hello toyowheelin
[04:53] <toyowheelin> I just made a discovery
[04:54] <Dethread> toyowheelin, that's great
[04:54] <toyowheelin> indeed
[04:55] <toyowheelin> my processor speed turns up and down depending on workload
[04:55] <Dethread> it's called speed-stepping
[04:56] <toyowheelin> oh well I was worried for a while because my cpuinfo said 999MHz
[04:56] <thully> You can monitor it by adding a clock speed indicator to the GNOME panel
[04:56] <toyowheelin> and my processor is a 2.4GHz
[04:57] <toyowheelin> and today I was compiling something and did a cat /proc/cpuinfo and it saud 2399
[04:57] <toyowheelin> *said
[04:57] <thully> Well - the companies round up their speeds
[04:57] <toyowheelin> I was happy it wasnt at 1GHz
[04:57] <toyowheelin> lol
[04:58] <daniels> i've had my laptop run at a terahertz before
[04:58] <daniels> according to cpufreq
[04:58] <mjg59> daniels: This is, uh, not strictly true
[04:58] <mjg59> Heh :)
[04:58] <toyowheelin> lol RIIIIIGGGGHHHT
[04:58] <daniels> mjg59: hey man, did you *feel* how hot that thing got?
[04:58] <toyowheelin> bust out the liquid nitrogen
[04:59] <thully> My laptop gets kind of hot using APM - should I be worried
[04:59] <Dethread> use ACPI
[04:59] <daniels> use acpi, yah
[04:59] <thully> I can't
[04:59] <thully> Because
[04:59] <thully> My system uses 10% of the battery per hour in sleep in ACPI
[04:59] <thully> In APM, it uses like 1% per hour
[05:01] <mjg59> thully: Thinkpad of some description?
[05:01] <thully> T42
[05:01] <toyowheelin> in cpuinfo what dose it mean under power management: ts fid vid ttp
[05:01] <mjg59> Mm. The T series seem to do that. Nobody is sure why, yet.
[05:01] <thully> Is using APM OK?
[05:02] <mjg59> If APM works, it's no problem
[05:02] <mjg59> 2.6 tends ot be worse for APM than 2.4 did
[05:02] <mjg59> Most modern laptops don't support APM, though
[05:02] <sean_> can anyone tell me how to install java?
[05:02] <thully> I have to use 2.6 because of the centrino wi-fi
[05:03] <mjg59> thully: I wouldn't worry too much about the heat as long as it's not actively burning you :)
[05:04] <thully> Is there any other solution?  I want the increased battery life of ACPI+SpeedStep+laptop_mode
[05:06] <sean_> Can anyone tell me how to install java?
[05:10] <calc> mjg59: hmm ibm needs some more linux people working on their laptops ;)
[05:10] <daniels> calc: lots of people work on the x40, it seems
[05:10] <thully> The funny thing is: I've never seen this problem mentioned online
[05:11] <mjg59> thully: It's been discussed on linux-kernel
[05:11] <mjg59> I don't think anyone has found a solution yet
[05:11] <mjg59> calc: Heh. There's some people from ibm.com on acpi-devel now
[05:11] <sean_> Can anyone tell me how to install java?
[05:12] <sean_> Ive tried everything
[05:12] <sean_> except the right way obviuously
[05:13] <mjg59> sean_: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java is probably helpful
[05:15] <sean_> THANK YOU !!!!!
[05:16] <calc> hmm ibm t42p would be nice too
[05:16] <thully> Does is cause many problems w/Ubuntu to recompile the kernel?
[05:17] <thully> Also, does suspend-to-disk work on the T42 to anyone's knowledge
[05:20] <ushooz> thully, I still need to get suspend working on my lappy
[05:20] <thully> What kind of trouble are you having?  What type of laptop?  Using ACPI or APM?
[05:20] <ushooz> Using ACPI
[05:21] <ushooz> Toshiba 1415-S173
[05:21] <thully> Have you written a suspend script?
[05:21] <ushooz> started but myslqd seems to keep it from shutting down
[05:21] <ushooz> so I need to shut that down first :)
[05:22] <thully> So, what exactly is the problem?
[05:22] <ushooz> just saying I need to get it worked out
[05:24] <thully> do you mean mysqld?
[05:24] <ushooz> aye
[05:24] <thully> I'm not familiar w/mysql, so I can't really help if that is the issue
[05:24] <ushooz> no worries
[05:25] <ushooz> I can get it worked out... just being lazy about it so far
[05:25] <Zindar> ushooz,  try /etc/init.d/mysqld stop :)
[05:25] <ushooz> sudo -s
[05:25] <ushooz> grr
[05:25] <ushooz> whoops
[05:26] <ushooz> Zindar, yeppers. Need to add that to my script
[05:26] <thully> I sure wish Ubuntu had suspend-to-disk built into the kernel
[05:26] <toyowheelin> anyone know how I can moniter my cpu temp and stuff?
[05:27] <ushooz> thully, agreed. That is one reason I am being lazy
[05:27] <ushooz> need to add the patch and recompile
[05:28] <thully> I don't want to rebuild my kernel and lose the Ubuntu customizations
[05:28] <thully> I heard the patch only works with the vanilla kernel
[05:31] <thully> Ubuntu seems to work perfect (which can't be said for most distributions on my laptop) except for suspend
[05:32] <ushooz> SuSE 9.1 works great on this lappy
[05:32] <ushooz> all the way down to suspend
[05:32] <ushooz> but I like Ubuntu
[05:32] <thully> I tried SuSE 9.1
[05:32] <ushooz> I feel to much junk gets installed with SuSE
[05:32] <cianid3> depends on what you choose ushooz
[05:32] <mburns> Ubuntu is going to be my distro of choice and recommendation... After the few kinks are worked out(partitioning issues on install)
[05:32] <thully> No built-in Centrino drivers - and I had the Personal edition, so no gcc to compile them with
[05:33] <cianid3> it ony installs what you select
[05:33] <ushooz> cianid3, aye, is true
[05:33] <cianid3> no gcc
[05:33] <cianid3> i had gcc
[05:33] <cianid3> just set and install source to a mirror
[05:33] <cianid3> and delete the cd install source
[05:33] <thully> oh - but I don't have wired broadband
[05:33] <thully> I use wi-fi a lot
[05:33] <cianid3> get it when you are in a hotspot
[05:34] <cianid3> you could jsut browse the mirror for gcc and download the rpm
[05:34] <thully> I'm on Ubuntu now, so doesn't matter
[05:34] <ushooz> I like SuSE
[05:34] <cianid3> i had to leave ubuntu
[05:34] <ushooz> so I am not dogging it
[05:34] <cianid3> it wouldn't compile any software
[05:34] <eldados> hey guys
[05:34] <thully> I do too - I'm between Ubuntu and SuSE for my distro of choice
[05:34] <cianid3> and an update corrupted all of my bhoot images
[05:34] <cianid3> slackware is the best distro
[05:34] <cianid3> and i've used in the last month
[05:34] <ushooz> I like Dropline
[05:35] <cianid3> debian, suse, mandrake, slackware, ubuntu, gentoo
[05:35] <cianid3> I'm running dropline
[05:35] <ushooz> Slackware does not like one of my desktop PCs though.. Gets hung on the SATA driver
[05:35] <thully> SuSE 9.2 is supposed to have good built-in wi-fi support and suspend-to-disk included
[05:35] <ushooz> I have run about them all
[05:36] <thully> me too (except for gentoo)
[05:36] <cianid3> ushooz: you;ve used clost to all the 1000+ linux distors?
[05:36] <baHam\\off> cianid3, I used mandrake redhat debian gentoo slackware suse fedora ubuntu yellowdog and yoper
[05:36] <cianid3> close*
[05:36] <baHam\\off> the best is ubuntu
[05:36] <baHam\\off> :>
[05:36] <cianid3> i've used redhat
[05:36] <thully> no, but I've used about 10 different ones
[05:37] <cianid3> baham: how many apllications have you compiled from soruce on ubuntu?
[05:37] <ushooz> cianid3, laugh literal, no... All the majors, yes
[05:37] <thully> I used to use Mandrake - but it is becoming Linux with the stability of Windows
[05:37] <toyowheelin> any reason why lmsensors wouldnt see my sensors on my pc?
[05:37] <ushooz> cianid3, what app were you trying to compile?
[05:38] <cianid3> wine
[05:38] <cianid3> a vanilla kernel
[05:38] <cianid3> neither would compile
[05:38] <cianid3> just died with error
[05:38] <cianid3> errors*
[05:38] <ushooz> only thing I have complied so far in Ubuntu is xsp
[05:38] <cianid3> not to mention an update didn't complete which rendered my system unusable
[05:39] <toyowheelin> I have compiled several things
[05:39] <cianid3> i dunno
[05:39] <cianid3> slackware is just better
[05:39] <cianid3> in every way
[05:39] <ushooz> sound like bad luck
[05:39] <ushooz> Slackware is very nice
[05:39] <thully> I tried slackware
[05:39] <ushooz> I have Slack on a 1.5 P4 and it works great
[05:39] <eldados> so far yoper is the best distro I tried! ubuntu64 is very nice as well :)
[05:39] <cianid3> slackware is the first distro i've been able to compile a vanilla kernel on
[05:40] <ushooz> Slack does not like my mobo with SATA though :(
[05:40] <thully> It worked OK - but my sound didn't work right and I had some other problems getting online
[05:40] <cianid3> what kernel?
[05:40] <cianid3> ushooz?
[05:40] <ushooz> the default install kernel off the CD
[05:41] <cianid3> maybe try <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[05:41] <cianid3> with the new sata driver
[05:42] <ushooz> I need to download a current ISO and give that a whirl
[05:42] <ushooz> "current"
[05:42] <thully> as in Slackware-current, right?
[05:42] <ushooz> aye
[05:42] <thully> I didn't know they made ISOs of that
[05:43] <ushooz> Patrick does not
[05:43] <ushooz> but a guy in #slackware has em
[05:43] <ushooz> just a matter of asking
[05:43] <ushooz> do not recall his nick
[05:44] <thully> This laptop's getting a bit hot - maybe I should switch back to ACPI
[05:44] <dewey> ok so I am going to install java using those instructions and has anyone here used those instructions?
[05:47] <ushooz> thully, I am use to hot laptops. My bloody powerbook cooks me all the time
[05:47] <ushooz> my 1.8 Celeron gets warm but nothing like that machine
[05:48] <thully> I hope Ubuntu gets suspend-to-disk in a prebuilt kernel soon
[05:48] <thully> I may have to try SuSE 9.2 which is supposed to have suspend-to-disk and great wi-fi support
[05:49] <Zindar> thully, I woundn't expect it until hoary
[05:49] <Zindar> thully, I used syspend to disk in suse 9.1 and it worked
[05:49] <Zindar> well... after you messed with it for a while
[05:49] <mirak_> zindar, is it going to be in hoary??
[05:49] <mirak_> zindar, for sure???
[05:49] <thully> Do you think it will be in they hoary development version in the near future
[05:49] <Zindar> mirak_, no idea... but I wouldn't expect it earlier
[05:49] <ushooz> Zindar, yeah it works in SuSE for me as well. close lid and it suspends
[05:49] <mirak_> zindar, kk
[05:50] <Zindar> ushooz, ohh.. never got suspend-to-ram to work under suse
[05:50] <thully> It worked in APM, but not in ACPI in SUSE 9.1 for me
[05:50] <ushooz> I love that feature. Make for quick access
[05:50] <Zindar> so.. in my experience.. suse -> mess a little and it might work.. ubuntu -> mess a little bit more and it might work
[05:50] <ushooz> that is the thing I miss in Ubuntu compared to SuSE
[05:51] <Zindar> basically.. I don't think the linux kernel is quite there yet....
[05:51] <ushooz> I may reimage my laptop to SuSE due to that
[05:51] <thully> Right now, the 3 distros I'm considering are Ubuntu,SUSE,and Kanotix (installable live CD based on sid w/wi-fi drivers and latest kernel)
[05:51] <dewey> so I make a .deb as sudo?
[05:52] <ushooz> I look forward to checking out SuSE 9.2 myself
[05:52] <dewey> thully: have you tried mandrake?
[05:52] <thully> Yeah - the stability of Windows on Linux for me
[05:52] <thully> I used it for a few years - but it has gotten too unstable for me
[05:53] <mburns> will ubuntu have an in-distro upgrade ability for upgrading to the second release?
[05:54] <thully> Using apt-get, I suppose there will be
[05:54] <thully> I've upgraded from RC1 to the current warty archive
[05:55] <thully> I'm starting to like GNOME over KDE after using it on Ubuntu - seems more lightweight to me
[05:56] <jdub> mburns: definitely, it's just like debian (because it is debian) :)
[05:57] <thully> It isn't Debian the way MEPIS or Libranet is, though.
[05:57] <eldados> thully, i'm with you on that one! gnome rocks
[05:57] <adam_> hey guys, i just installed Ubuntu, i'm trying to setup my wireless device, i got the drivers installed, i just don't know where to actually detect "wlan0" or eth1, can someone try and help?
[05:57] <ushooz> thully, I do not mind either one but I prefer Gnome
[05:57] <calc> thully: they both seem to use about the same amount of resources afaict, but gnome is much nicer gui wise
[05:58] <calc> kde 4.0 needs to use gnome hig ;)
[05:58] <adam_> anyone?
[05:58] <adam_> hey guys, i just installed Ubuntu, i'm trying to setup my wireless device, i got the drivers installed, i just don't know where to actually detect "wlan0" or eth1, can someone try and help?
[05:59] <thully> did you try doing an iwconfig to see what wi-fi devices are on your system?
[05:59] <adam_> none come up
[05:59] <adam_> says lo, eth0 and sit0 have no wireless extensions.
[05:59] <thully> Did the drivers come with Ubuntu?
[05:59] <adam_> its not assigned a hardware id (eth1, or wlan0)
[05:59] <adam_> No
[05:59] <adam_> I compiled Orinoco
[05:59] <adam_> and modprobe does see it
[06:00] <mirak_> is fluxbox in the repository????
[06:01] <thully> I think it's in universe
[06:01] <ushooz> orinoco is a default in Ubuntu
[06:01] <adam_> it didn't detect mine...
[06:02] <adam_> it is dispalying in device manager
[06:02] <mirak_> thully, how do i change to start fluxbox in ubuntu???
[06:02] <mirak_> <[06:02] <adam_> its actually a Compaq LAN W200, but it uses the Orinoco drivers (gotten the orinoco drivers to work with Slackware 9)
[06:03] <ushooz> it needs hermes, orinoco_cs, orinoco, and ds modules
[06:04] <adam_> hermes is there.
[06:04] <adam_> i just did orinoco_cs
[06:04] <adam_> orinoco was done already too
[06:04] <thully> mirak_: I think you may be able to select it in GDM from one of the menus that are at the bottom of the screen (something like Change Session)
[06:05] <lopezf> can someone help me with my wireless? i tried this guide but still no luck http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=ndiswrapper
[06:05] <adam_> wait a sec....
[06:05] <thursday> can someone help me with my wireless? i tried this guide but still no luck http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=ndiswrapper
[06:06] <ushooz> you get a little life adam_?
[06:06] <thully> It seems like 50% of Linux problems have to do with wi-fi - at least my ipw2200 works in Ubuntu no problem
[06:06] <ushooz> out of your nic
[06:06] <adam_> ok wehn i go to network settings, its now listed, i set it up
[06:06] <ushooz> thully, laptops and linux are allways fun :)
[06:07] <adam_> it won't enable tho.
[06:07] <adam_> i check activate but it doesnt'..
[06:07] <thursday> i guess the problem is when i do ndiswrapper -l it doest shot and connected, even tho the card is inserted
[06:08] <thursday> oops, it doesnt show as connected even tho the card is inserted
[06:10] <toyowheelin> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[06:10] <toyowheelin>        or too many mounted file systems why do I get that error when I try to mount my windows partition
[06:11] <adam_> it won't enable.
[06:11] <adam_> is there a way i can reactivate it from a command line?
[06:11] <joem> toyowheelin, are you passing the filesystem option
[06:11] <mirak_> thully, huh?, that doesnt make sence to me
[06:12] <thursday> no one huh? :(
[06:13] <ushooz> adam_, sudo ifdown ethx
[06:13] <ushooz> adam_, sudo ifup ethx
[06:14] <ushooz> thursday, never used the wrappers for a wireless nic... so I am of no help
[06:14] <adam_> says ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured
[06:14] <adam_> how do i make wlan0 exist?
[06:15] <Zindar> adam_, I find that most wireless just shows up as eth1 eth0 or whatever
[06:15] <thully> mirak_: on the gdm logon screen, is there some options at the bottom?
[06:15] <Zindar> eth0 is mine
[06:15] <adam_> i have 2 network cards on this laptop
[06:15] <adam_> 1 is a hardline (which i can use to get drivers and stuff) and the wireless one
[06:15] <adam_> the hardline is fine
[06:16] <mirak_> oh...i odnt know....brb
[06:17] <thursday> sucks cuz i got them to work with gentoo once
[06:17] <thursday> wonder if i need to alias the wlan0 to a device somewhere?
[06:18] <mirak_> ooo, i dont really like it, fluxbox that it
[06:18] <toyowheelin> no joem
[06:18] <toyowheelin> I was doing it through webmin
[06:18] <mirak_> maybe it was xfce4 i was looking for?
[06:19] <adam_> Zindar: mine doesn't, how do i create a hardwre for it?
[06:20] <dmarti> I have a question re. Rhythmbox.  When I select an internet radio station  and press play it freezes up, but works fine for local  oggs and mp3s.  What am I doing wrong?
[06:20] <toyowheelin> ok never mind joem it was passing the -t
[06:20] <toyowheelin> it works fine doing it in the command line
[06:21] <dmarti> It will change the window title to the name of the station, but then just freezes up
[06:23] <jdub> hey dmarti
[06:23] <dmarti> Hey, jdub.
[06:24] <mirak_> oooo, it was xfce4 that i was lookinf for
[06:24] <mirak_> i like it
[06:26] <dmarti> jdub, fun distribution you have here
[06:26] <jdub> thanks, enjoying it?
[06:26] <dmarti> yeah, can you make gnome start slower so I can look at nekkid people longer
[06:26] <SepheeBear> anyone know if Ubuntu's gnome-vfs has got dns-sd enabled? i installed howl and configured mDNSresponder but it still doesnt want to pick up any Panther ftp servers.
[06:27] <jdub> SepheeBear: nup, it doesn't
[06:27] <SepheeBear> thanks, so im not going nuts then
[06:27] <jdub> i'm not qualified to answer that ;)
[06:28] <SepheeBear> jdub: i think you're right
[06:29] <mirak_> me being a newb, do you think i will be alright running xfce4 under ubuntu....or is there not enough support/help for me????
[06:29] <mirak_> lol, actually i gues it would be OVER ubuntu
[06:30] <jdub> mirak_: the only thing to be aware of is that the packages are unsupported
[06:31] <SepheeBear> is there any work being done with dns-sd on Ubuntu?
[06:31] <mirak_> jdub, what does that mean, exactly??????....xfce4 packages are unsuported????......
[06:31] <mirak_> jdub, sorry for my newbness
[06:31] <jdub> mirak_: they don't get the same attention from the developers, no security fixes, etc.
[06:31] <jdub> SepheeBear: not really. most of that is gnome-level stuff.
[06:32] <jdub> SepheeBear: we'll be shipping howl and so on in hoary
[06:32] <mirak_> jdub, but most apps in the repository will still work for me.....right????
[06:32] <jdub> should do
[06:32] <mirak_> jdub, "should do" to me?
[06:32] <jdub> yes
[06:32] <Zindar> jdub: will howl be integrated so that if I install sshd it will be annonced with howl?
[06:32] <SepheeBear> awesome thanks jdub
[06:32] <Zindar> for example
[06:33] <jdub> Zindar: well, no plans thus far, but i'd hope we do that at some stage
[06:33] <Zindar> jdub: that would be extremly cool :)
[06:33] <mirak_> jdub, sweet, i really like xfce4, but i was afraid i was wondering to far out
[06:33] <Zindar> jdub: and also something that other distributions will start doing soon
[06:34] <dmarti> Anyone else had trouble getting internet radio stations with Rhythmbox?  It locks up for me.
[06:34] <jdub> dmarti: i've heard a couple of reports
[06:35] <jdub> dmarti: like this? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2403
[06:35] <SepheeBear> it's pretty easy to set up mdnsresponder manually to announce services, my only problem is getting linux to resolve localhosts without using a hosts file
[06:36] <jdub> ah right - that'll require some sweet nss loving
[06:36] <jdub> which has been done already
[06:36] <jdub> so just a matter of pulling new glibc or a patch
[06:37] <dmarti> jdub, yes, sounds like the same problem.  The window doesn't even redraw
[06:37] <adam_> anyone know how to get wlan0 to actualyl exist?
[06:37] <Zindar> SepheeBear, suse does do that..
[06:37] <jdub> dmarti: that bug is stuck in needinfo
[06:38] <dmarti> I'm looking for the requested info right now on my system (x86)
[06:38] <avatar_> my new ubuntu system was running fine -- i booted it up a few minutes ago and it hard locks while booting.. last thing it says is "* Running usb.rc..."
[06:38] <SepheeBear> Zindar: suse has the resolver configed to do that? any idea how?
[06:39] <dmarti> deafult sink output ESD.  test tone works
[06:39] <jdub> SepheeBear: a new nss module (or both)
[06:40] <thully> IS there a real speed difference between the 386 and 686 kernels?
[06:40] <Zindar> SepheeBear, hacked the resolver library I think
[06:41] <Zindar> SepheeBear, that's what their start up readme sais if I remember correctly
[06:42] <aitrus> does anyone know what package provides ode/ode.h?
[06:42] <SepheeBear> i think that's the same as OS X, they've got a couple files under '/etc/resolver' and they manpage refers to a "Super" DNS resolver
[06:43] <Zindar> Incompatible change: the resolver library treats the .local top level domain as link-local domain and sends multicast DNS requests to the multicast address <IP_ADDRESS> port 5353 instead of normal DNS requests. If you already use the .local domain in your nameserver configuration you will have to switch to another domain name. See http://www.multicastdns.org  for more information on multicast DNS.
[06:43] <Zindar> http://elibrary.fultus.com/technical/topic/com.fultus.suse.releases/releases/release-notes.html
[06:44] <Zindar> http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/pipermail/members/2004-September/011764.html
[06:45] <Zindar> google rocks
[06:45] <aitrus> heh.. libode-devell
[06:46] <SepheeBear> Zindar: that's awesome! what search string did you use?
[06:46] <Zindar> SepheeBear, suse resolver .local
[06:46] <SepheeBear> thanks
[06:48] <thully> Is there a significant speed increase with the 686 kernel over the 386 kernel?
[06:49] <defendguin> ok what every app is incharge of trying to save power by shutting off and on on my laptop i need to uninstall it
[06:49] <Despair> thully: depends on the task and the particular cpu. i386 code tends to be smaller and more cache-friendly, i686 may give better throughput if it doesn't trip over cache miss issues.
[06:49] <defendguin> this is stupid
[06:49] <defendguin> s/every/ever
[06:50] <defendguin> this stupid thing turns my hard drive on and off every other min
[06:50] <thully> I'm running a Pentium M
[06:50] <thully> defendguin: That is laptop-mode
[06:51] <defendguin> does laptop mode have settings i can adjust?
[06:51] <thully> Yes, but they are command-line type settings that are controlled by scripts in the /etc/acpi directory
[06:52] <defendguin> thats fine i need to fix this pos
[06:52] <defendguin> its just too aggressive at trying to save power
[06:53] <thully> I'm unfamiliar with it's command switches - it doesn't have a man page unfortunately
[06:54] <jamesh> hi yakk
[06:54] <defendguin> hmmm is got hdparm setting as a 12
[06:54] <defendguin> that seems really low
[06:54] <Treenaks> defendguin: hdparm starts first, so other stuff can start faster I guess
[06:54] <Treenaks> ("easier" disk access)
[06:55] <defendguin> what are ou talking about?
[06:55] <Treenaks> defendguin: well, if hdparm "tunes" the disk at 12, everything _after_ that will possibly start quicker, because disk access is faster
[06:57] <defendguin> Treenaks, its setting the spindown timer to 12 which is about 60 seconds
[06:57] <defendguin> so no disk usage in 60 seconds it spins down
[06:58] <defendguin> but that doesnt seem right unless my laptop never uses disk
[06:58] <yakk> hi jamesh!
[06:58] <defendguin> because it spins down after about 20 seconds
[06:58] <yakk> jamesh: how have you been?
[06:59] <thully> Is there any way to use laptop-mode with APM?
[06:59] <thully> How about speedstep?
[06:59] <defendguin> ill just set the spindown timer to 5 min
[07:01] <defendguin> omg
[07:01] <defendguin> it sets the B value to 1 which is the most aggressive power management there is
[07:02] <calc> B value on what?
[07:02] <jdub> yo yakk!
[07:03] <defendguin> calc, hdparm
[07:03] <defendguin> crap that didnt work
[07:03] <jamesh> yakk: good.
[07:03] <jamesh> yakk: are you going to come to LCA next year? :)
[07:04] <yakk> hey JD
[07:04] <yakk> er
[07:04] <yakk> hey jdub
[07:04] <yakk> jamesh: I don't think so - I'm going to be back in Perth for December & January, but I read that lca is in like april or something, right?
[07:05] <jamesh> yakk: yes.  Also, its in Canberra.
[07:05] <yakk> jamesh: I have some friends I'd like to visit in Canberra, but I can't see myself (a) skipping snowboarding and (b) getting the time off work :(
[07:06] <jamesh> yakk: apparently it was moved from January because Canberra is hot in the summer
[07:06] <jamesh> unlike Perth
[07:06] <yakk> hehe
[07:06] <yakk> well, it doesn't have a beach
[07:06] <jamesh> it has a lake
[07:07] <jamesh> with a fountain
[07:07] <yakk> jamesh, true - but I don't think it would quite be the same
[07:08] <jamesh> the fountain is quite impressive though.  It is spraying out a lot more water than you might think at first
[07:10] <yakk> nice! I've never made it to Canberra
[07:10] <yakk> next time perhaps...
[07:15] <mirak_> what do i do with a .run file??
[07:16] <yakk> so, an ubuntu kernel should work fine with a sid system, right?
[07:17] <mirak_> anyone??
[07:18] <aitrus> chmod 755 file.run, ./file.run  =)
[07:18] <Despair> `sh foo.run`, if you want to run it
[07:18] <mindwarp> anyone using ubuntu with reiserfs?
[07:18] <mirak_> so "sh <filename>" ????
[07:18] <Despair> mirak_: usually. .run is generally a binary installer stuffed in a shell script
[07:19] <Despair> extensions aren't 100% reliable indicators of contents, though.
[07:19] <wm_eddie> ARGH!
[07:19] <wm_eddie> #include <gtk/gtk.h> isn't working!
[07:19] <wm_eddie> how do I include gtk.h?
[07:20] <WW_> mirak_: just curious... what is the .run file for?
[07:21] <yakk> wm_eddie, you need to put the right include options on the gcc command-line
[07:21] <mirak_> ww_, UT
[07:21] <yakk> wm_eddie, pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0
[07:21] <aitrus> wm_eddie: did you install the -devel package for gtk?
[07:21] <wm_eddie> yeah.
[07:21] <WW_> mirak_: Ah
[07:22] <wm_eddie> yakk: I've been spoiled by python..
[07:22] <wm_eddie> ok now it works
[07:23] <mirak_> ww_, UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz-1 is the actual filename, what should go after sh, all of that, or just up to .run
[07:24] <WW_> mirak_: I think others here will know better than I... but the ".gz" part make me think it is compressed.  Not sure about the -1, though.
[07:24] <Despair> mirak_: you may need to uncompress it first. (gunzip filename), may need to rename it to get rid of the -1 on the end, too.
[07:24] <yakk> wm_eddie, well, its not that different from: import pygtk;pygtk.require('2.0') :)
[07:24] <mirak_> despair, just remonve the -1????
[07:24] <Despair> `mv UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz-1 UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz`
[07:25] <mirak_> mv: cannot stat `UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz-1': No such file or directory
[07:25] <mirak_>  is what i get
[07:25] <wm_eddie> yakk: do you know anything about C function pointers?
[07:25] <wm_eddie> guint       gtk_key_snooper_install         (GtkKeySnoopFunc snooper,
[07:25] <wm_eddie>                                              gpointer func_data);
[07:25] <yakk> wm_eddie, I know something
[07:26] <wm_eddie> I'm trying to do that.
[07:26] <yakk> wm_eddie, so whats the definition of GtkKeySnoopFunc
[07:26] <mirak_> ahh well...ill figure it out later
[07:26] <wm_eddie> gint        (*GtkKeySnoopFunc)              (GtkWidget *grab_widget,
[07:26] <mirak_> nite nite
[07:26] <WW_> mirak_: That's weird. Isn't that the name of the file you gave earlier?
[07:26] <wm_eddie> I'll remove the whitespace next time.
[07:28] <yakk> I just have to say, Grosse Point Blank is a fantastic film
[07:29] <mirak_> ww_ yes it is
[07:30] <mirak_> i have no idea
[07:30] <mirak_> ww_, does it matter that i am using xfce4, i wouldt think so, but im new, so i could be wrong
[07:30] <yakk> wm_eddie, you got that function definition
[07:30] <wm_eddie> yakk: so if I make a function "guint snooper(params)" I put &snooper in the GtkKeySnoopFunc place?
[07:31] <WW_> mirak_: Basic question: did you run the mv command in the directory where the file is located?
[07:31] <wm_eddie> so the thing will be gtk_key_snooper_install(&snooper, etc...); ?
[07:31] <yakk> wm_eddie, yes, basically
[07:31] <s7s> Hello! What is the best mp3-player for linux(ubuntu)?
[07:31] <wm_eddie> s7s: rhythmbox.
[07:32] <mirak_> ww_, yes i did, and i shecked that by running "ls", and the file showed
[07:32] <aitrus> mpg321  =)
[07:32] <wm_eddie> s7s: It's like all the good things of iTunes, and none of the bloat.
[07:32] <s7s> Tanks :)
[07:32] <mirak_> shecked=checked
[07:32] <yakk> wm_eddie, s7s: and all the bad things :)
[07:32] <yakk> (ui wise)
[07:32] <aitrus> yeah, except you can't just open it and play a single file without importing the damn thing
[07:32] <aitrus> oh, and importing big mp3 collections crashes it
[07:33] <yakk> personally, I'm a fan of xmms/beep - I drag and drop from nautilus - its good
[07:33] <aitrus> beep?
[07:33] <WW_> mirak_: Running xfce4 shouldn't matter at this point.  You're just using shell commands.
[07:33] <s7s> I pretty new at this. I see that when you write to me, your name turns yellow! How do you do that?
[07:33] <wm_eddie> wow this is confusing...
[07:34] <yakk> s7s: xmms does that
[07:34] <aitrus> s7s: your chat client does that automagically
[07:34] <mirak_> ww_, what i thought, was  just confirming
[07:34] <yakk> I mean xchat
[07:34] <yakk> aitrus: beep is a gtk2 port of xmms
[07:34] <aitrus> yakk: sweet!
[07:34] <mindwarp> anyone using ubuntu with reiserfs? if so what do I gotta add to my fstab (like notail etc?)
[07:34] <WW_> mirak_: Could it be permissions?  Just guessing (but I think that would say something like "access denied").
[07:35] <s7s> How does it know who i want to talk to?
[07:35] <yakk> magic
[07:35] <WW_> mindwarp: I'm using reiserfs.  Nothing special required.
[07:35] <mirak_> well i used sudo before the sh command............didnt work
[07:35] <mirak_> but i didnt try sudo before mv
[07:36] <s7s> Should i just mark the name on the User list?
[07:36] <yakk> s7s: to have a private conversation with someone you can do /query person
[07:36] <yakk> s7s: that'll open a tab with a private conversation
[07:37] <wm_eddie> YES! it works
[07:37] <aitrus> weird
[07:37] <s7s> Is there a list or guide or something with all of these commands?
[07:37] <aitrus> is there any particular reason that xmms hasn't moved to gtk2?
[07:38] <aitrus> s7s: irchelp.org
[07:38] <s7s> Ok, thanks :)
[07:38] <aitrus> s7s: but there really isn't much that you need to know...
[07:38] <aitrus> s7s: just chat like IM except it's out in the open
[07:42] <wm_eddie> damn, it doesn't do what I need...
[07:45] <WW_> mirak_: I don't know why you had a -1 at the end of your file.  Are you sure it was completely downloaded, with no problems?
[07:46] <WW_> mirak_: By the way, here's a web page that might be useful for you: http://titaniclinux.net/cms/FC?cmsPage=true&link=251
[07:49] <yakk> aitrus, the reason is that the xmms people haven't gotten around to it - but beep is basically just a port
[07:49] <yakk> aitrus, though it looks like they'll be extending it
[07:49] <fargon> Hi folks, got a question about wireless in Ubuntu.
[07:50] <aitrus> yakk: beep looks nice... though it seems to have some "issues". =)  but none that will keep me from using it (so far)
[07:50] <WW_> mirak_: Anyway, good luck, and good night.
[07:50] <thursday> ok so i fixed my wireless :) but now the battery status epplet in gnome isnt working. any advice?
[07:50] <thursday> anyone know what device it reads from? maybe perms need adjusting
[07:51] <fargon> When I installed Ubuntu on my centrino laptop at home, it detected and installed the wireless connection automatically (which is just great), but when I booted up later, in school, I could not get it to detect the school's wireless connection. Is there a way to fix it so that the Laptop would auto-detect wireless networks?
[07:51] <fargon> I'm sorry if that is verbose :)
[07:59] <Skif> fargon: there is waproamd, in universe, but I don't know how well it works
[07:59] <Skif> you an also try setting your essid to 'any', and see what you associate to
[08:00] <Skif> s/an/can/
[08:00] <adam_> hey guys, i have a new network card i need to install, i installed the drivers ,but its not assigned eth1 or wlan0, any ideas?
[08:00] <adam_> the modules are loaded
[08:01] <Skif> adam: do you see any messages in /var/log/syslog when you insert your card (I'm assuming it's a PCMCIA card, right?)
[08:02] <adam_> Skif: actually its SUB
[08:02] <adam_> *USB
[08:02] <Skif> close enough
[08:02] <adam_> its a Orinoco card, multiport
[08:02] <Skif> have you run 'usbview' to make sure it's showing up on the bus properly?
[08:02] <fargon> thank you, Skif
[08:02] <adam_> no, 1sec, its listed in Device Manager
[08:03] <Skif> good enough then... hrm
[08:03] <adam_> i get errors when i start about pciehp,shpchp, does that matter?
[08:03] <Skif> adam: try 'sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog' and then insert the card
[08:03] <Skif> adam: no, those are innocuous
[08:04] <adam_> new full speed USB device using address 5
[08:05] <Skif> that's it?
[08:05] <adam_> yea
[08:06] <Skif> looks like you might have the wrong drivers
[08:06] <adam_> well, the driver is installed
[08:06] <adam_> how do i make it a device?
[08:06] <fargon> Skif, again, I installed waproamd, like you suggested, but when I type #waproamd I get nothing. I am sorry if that sounds dumb, why can't I seem to execute the program?
[08:06] <Skif> right, but perhaps it's not the right one
[08:06] <adam_> i need to do something like makedev?
[08:07] <Skif> fargon: daemons (background programs that do stuff on their own) are usually started on install; try 'man waproamd' or check /usr/share/doc/waproamd
[08:07] <mindwarp> I haven't been all that impressed with waproamd
[08:07] <Skif> fargon: I've never used it myself, I just saw it there.
[08:07] <mindwarp> I find it to be messy and broken
[08:08] <Skif> adam: no, that's not necessary
[08:08] <adam_> ok well its orinoco
[08:08] <mindwarp> so if anyone comes across a better solution msg me because that program is like 35% working at best
[08:08] <Skif> adam: some orinoco cards use the prism2 driver
[08:08] <fargon> d'oh ! Thanks, Skif. I forget having read the daemon part...
[08:08] <adam_> i know mine is this one, i've gotten it to work before with slackware 9
[08:08] <Skif> okay, well, can't help ya, then :)
[08:09] <adam_> i know the driver is installed, its showing stats for the card...
[08:09] <adam_> how do I activate it forcefully?
[08:09] <Skif> you could always insert the card with great vim, vigor, and vitality
[08:11] <adam_> is there a way to do a hardware detect?
[08:12] <Skif> 'sudo discover ethernet' might work
[08:12] <Skif> It won't configure anything, but it'll at least let you know if it is supposed to.
[08:13] <calc> JD: hi
[08:13] <JD> hi calc
[08:15] <adam_> Skif: how do I add it to /sys/class/net/ ?
[08:16] <joolz> morning everyone
[08:17] <joolz> where is the gnome menu located? i would like to add some entries manually
[08:17] <Skif> adam: that happens when the driver associates the device with the driver
[08:17] <Skif> adam: if you don't see it there, then the driver has not claimed the device
[08:18] <adam_> can i be misssing a driver?
[08:18] <calc> joolz: entries are probably under /usr/share/applications
[08:18] <adam_> like i'm not probing something?
[08:18] <Skif> it's possible
[08:19] <calc> joolz: you can probably add entries per user under ~/.local/
[08:19] <calc> or just use the main location
[08:20] <joolz> calc: thanks! i lookes everywhere, only not in ~/.local That's the one
[08:22] <lhb> is there a ununtu forum already?
[08:25] <TheMuso> Do you mean www.ubuntuforum.org?
[08:25] <TheMuso> And I think there is also www.ubuntuforums.org
[08:26] <lhb> thanks
[08:30] <aitrus> let's start ubuntu-forums.org
[08:33] <adam_> think i might have found out why...
[08:33] <adam_> orinoco_usb support doesn't exist...
[08:33] <adam_> for the driver i downloaded...
[08:33] <Skif> ah, that would make the difference
[08:34] <adam_> ok i'm gonna try somethign else, thx for ur help
[08:34] <adam_> bye
[08:34] <Skif> oddly enough, I have an orinoco usb device that works just fine. ^_^;;
[08:51] <alka_trash> pretty slow here tonight
[08:51] <Yojimbo> very quiet, indeed :-)
[08:52] <Dethread> yep
[08:53] <alka_trash> I always use swat to share folder on a windows network, is there another way though gnome 2.8?
[08:54] <TheMuso> There may be a Samber Server frontend for GNOME I guess. I have never really looked into it, but it would probably be a neat feature for Ubuntu.
[08:54] <Yojimbo> :-) Terminal, sudo vi /etc/samba/smb.conf; sudo killall -HUP smbd ?
[08:54] <ondrej> g'morning all
[08:55] <alka_trash> hmm, looking into it
[08:55] <alka_trash> thanks
[08:56] <alka_trash> damn, it was pretty cool reading my work email today form and an exchange server with evolution :)
[08:56] <ondrej> I have strange error when setting up network interfaces: "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device lo ; Operation not supported."
[08:57] <ondrej> does anybody else see this behaviour?
[08:57] <TheMuso> From your message there, it sounds like it is trying to change settings on the loopback interface.
[08:58] <ondrej> eth1 is wireless card, but this error shows even on 'lo' interface
[08:58] <TheMuso> Should the lo interface be able to take such a settings change?
[08:58] <geek_punk> dudes, the /sbin/modconf exist on ubuntu ???
[08:59] <TheMuso> Doesn't appear to be on my system here.
[08:59] <Yojimbo> what does modconf do? the same as modprobe?
[09:00] <TheMuso> Modconf is a Debian command to load modules. I also think it saves them to be loaded at boot time.
[09:01] <geek_punk> modconf is a ncurses interfaz where the kernel modules show haves and you can select someone and load or unload
[09:01] <geek_punk> my english is poor sorry ;S
[09:02] <jdub> geek_punk: just edit /etc/modules
[09:02] <Yojimbo> Hmmm ... unloading modules is never a good idea - 2.6 kernels allow you to prevent module unloading if you like. Perhaps by 2.8 unloading might work properly
[09:03] <geek_punk> oks is an alternavite  tnx
[09:05] <TheMuso> As jdub said, just edit /etc/modules if you want modules to be loaded at boot time. To load them straight away, simply use the modprobe command. To unload them, use the rmmod command. Unless you have set up a root password, don't forget to use sudo when working with the /etc/modules file, or the modules commands mentioned above.
[09:06] <gonzokiwi> Good evening from New Zealand
[09:07] <gonzokiwi> Could someone help me configure video on a Tecra 8000?
[09:07] <TheMuso> Do you know what chipset the video hardware is?
[09:08] <gonzokiwi> Neomagic Corporation [MagicGraph 256AV]
[09:09] <gonzokiwi> I've also found this:-  http://the.taoofmac.com/space/Ubuntu
[09:10] <gonzokiwi> ...I'm such a sorry newbie I'm not sure *how* to edit "XF86Config-4"....
[09:10] <TheMuso> Ok. Did you get to choose what video driver you wanted to use during the Ubuntu installation?
[09:10] <Treenaks> gonzokiwi: sudo nano /etc/XF86Config-4
[09:11] <Treenaks> gonzokiwi: but only if reconfiguring doesn't work correctly with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:11] <opi^work> gonzokiwi: I see you're using same laptop as my girlfriend is
[09:11] <opi^work> gonzokiwi: Neomagic sucks, you have to edit XF by hand ;(
[09:11] <gonzokiwi> How did she get on?
[09:12] <opi^work> we brought it from Allegro.pl (it's something like Polish eBay)
[09:12] <opi^work> oh
[09:12] <opi^work> get on ;)
[09:12] <opi^work> I've misread it
[09:12] <opi^work> no, she's running XP on it
[09:12] <gonzokiwi> opi^work: Sorry, Kiwi expression...
[09:12] <opi^work> I've just tested Live CD (Slax and Ubuntu)
[09:12] <gonzokiwi> opi^work: Do you remember what she did to XF, exactly?
[09:13] <opi^work> gonzokiwi: I've googled it out, IIRC
[09:13] <gonzokiwi> I'm really sorry about this pi, but you've lost me...
[09:14] <gonzokiwi> So, first off I should open a terminal session and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"?
[09:16] <gonzokiwi> Anyone? I seriously apologise for my cluelessness....
[09:16] <opi^work> ok
[09:16] <opi^work> first open console
[09:16] <opi^work> do sudo dpkg-rec..
[09:17] <opi^work> see if Neomagic is on the list
[09:17] <opi^work> if not
[09:17] <opi^work> do sudo nano /etc/X11/XFree86-4
[09:17] <TheMuso> opi^work:  Don't you mean /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
[09:18] <opi^work> I did
[09:18] <opi^work> sorry
[09:18] <opi^work> ;)
[09:18] <gonzokiwi> OK, back in 5 mins, THANKS!
[09:21] <TheMuso> No, there is a neomagic driver.
[09:21] <tvon|x31> Glider == SmoothGNOME ?
[09:22] <giorsat> this is for ubuntu technicians. I tried several times to install ubuntu (latest is rc) in a lcd pc with sis motherboard but I stop at first boot since hotplug system hangs everything. in ubu preview the error message was epoin timeout on usb 1.1 . In ubu rc no error message. I tried with a no apic nolapic acpi=off pci?noacpi nopcmcia option ojn grub with various dispositions. Nothing to do. I reported a bug but If anyone has an idea plea
[09:22] <opi^work> gonzokiwi: http://www.xfree86.org/4.2.0/neomagic.4.html here's the Neo driver
[09:23] <dyn> giorsat: tried to disable usb in the bios?
[09:23] <dyn> giorsat: maybe update your bios to the latest version?
[09:26] <gonzokiwi> TheMuso: What do I need to do?
[09:26] <TheMuso> I was checking for myself whether there was in fact a neomagic driver in the list that you get when you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:26] <giorsat> I don't' have many optiuons on bios and It's not possible to disable usb. Don't know how to update. computer is only 1 year old so bios shouldn't be so old
[09:26] <gonzokiwi> TheMuso: Thanks, will proceed, will try to have a better question to ask momentarily...
[09:27] <maswan> daniels: thanks for the x40 packages, was just starting to think about how to get suspend working and a simple googling turned up all the nice stuff. :)
[09:28] <TheMuso> I am actually thinking of doing such a thing for the R50 series, but not sure whether anybody has done so yet, and haven't been able to find any scripts for the R50.
[09:51] <mrjive> hi *
[09:51] <Dethread> hello, mrjive
[09:52] <mrjive> hi Dethread
[10:07] <uman> thank you for that wonderful theme with the nice humans looking up, I use that now as a wallpaper for my crux
[10:09] <opi^work> uman: well, there's big fight around those themes, so be preapare to be flamed ;-))
[10:09] <Dethread> uman, I think you're the only one who likes it
[10:09] <beezly> hehe
[10:09] <dyn> i see these backgrounds shared humanity ;)
[10:09] <uman> I noticed that, but it's really different from most stuff you get eg from www.kde-look.org and such
[10:09] <opi^work> I like'e, too
[10:09] <opi^work> 'em
[10:10] <dyn> my first impressions was 'geez that's gay' (yeah i know it's not)
[10:10] <uman> it's not just another rendered image in blue
[10:10] <dyn> and all 3 friends i asked said the same
[10:10] <Treenaks> dyn: compare the logo to the photo...
[10:10] <uman> of course I took out the ubuntu with the gimp and put crux in the corner ;)
[10:10] <dyn> i even heard that "gay distro" comment based on the screenshots (again, i DO know it's not, but that's the picture in ppl first hitting those screens)
[10:10] <opi^work> because it's gay, as in friendly/happy
[10:11] <dyn> Treenaks: yeah noticed that :)
[10:11] <dyn> Treenaks: my gf got the 4.10 pre-release and it has the logo instead of the pic in the gnome logon screen
[10:11] <Dethread> the only good picture they had was that sabrina.jpg, that was on the wiki for a little while :)
[10:11] <Treenaks> dyn: yeah, so did I
[10:11] <opi^work> dyn: tell me, what's gey (homosexual) in guy and two gals?
[10:11] <uman> I was thinking of maybe making an altered version of the 2 women wearing some nun's costume and some afghanian full body veil thing, to make some people happy
[10:12] <uman> if you see how most teenagers run around nowaday that's nothin
[10:12] <dyn> opi^work: read above. i know it's not. but somehow it reminds ppl i know to it
[10:12] <Treenaks> opi^work: well, lots of men like lesbian pron...
[10:12] <opi^work> Treenaks: Im don't watch p0rn, so I'll relay on you here ;->
[10:12] <dyn> haha
[10:13] <uman> "okay, now hit your penguin key to open up your K Menu....."
[10:13] <dyn> Dethread: which pics was that? is it still online?
[10:13] <uman> one can dream...
[10:13] <Dethread> dyn, no....someone complained about it...but I still have it :)
[10:13] <Dethread> I'll upload it somewhere real quick :)
[10:14] <dyn> heh i'm getting curious
[10:14] <Dethread> (not work safe) http://img49.exs.cx/img49/5480/sabrina.jpg
[10:14] <Keybuk> Ahh, Sabrina
[10:14] <Dethread> someone complained I guess and they had to take it off :(
[10:15] <Dethread> I like that one much better than the theme with the three people
[10:15] <Keybuk> No, I don't think it was that especially.  It was only up as an example
[10:15] <Dethread> yeah
[10:15] <Dethread> but something like this was gonna make it onto the live cd
[10:15] <Dethread> anyway, great picture :)
[10:15] <uman> the brown one with the world on it ?
[10:16] <Dethread> no,that was an example as well
[10:16] <dyn> haha Dethread
[10:16] <dyn> well, that's definetely not gay
[10:16] <dyn> at least
[10:16] <dyn> :P
[10:17] <uman> it's not work safe but very pretty
[10:17] <Dethread> ah, it's still in google's cache
[10:17] <Dethread> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:J9mp1vjxdtYJ:wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fImages+ubuntu+splash+images&hl=en
[10:17] <uman> great photo, awesome lighting & colouring
[10:17] <Dethread> scroll down to "Default Desktop Background"
[10:17] <dyn> i like that text font on the logo
[10:18] <opi^work> Unicat_: my Boss said: they offended by females in bra and halfnaked guy? Geez.
[10:18] <opi^work> s/unicat/uman
[10:18] <uman> I wonder if they ever go to the beach
[10:18] <uman> I've got the feeling some women are just jealous of the blonde
[10:19] <Dethread> because she gets to be in a Linux theme?
[10:19] <Treenaks> Dethread: if that's the problem, send'em by my place.. I'll make themes out of their pics :)
[10:20] <uman> Dethread: you have some more photos of the same photographer ?
[10:21] <Dethread> uman, sorry no
[10:31] <joh_> hi
[10:31] <Dethread> hi joh_
[10:31] <joh_> what is the "right way to do it(TM)" when compiling a custom kernel in ubuntu?
[10:32] <joh_> I want inotify :)
[10:32] <Tiboz> use make-kpkg
[10:32] <Treenaks> joh_: wait for hoary :P or probably using kernel-package and the ubuntu sources
[10:32] <Dethread> I supposed it'd be the same as the Debian way
[10:33] <joh_> Dethread: ok, but how do I create the initrd image? I used the default ubuntu kernel config and the debian way. But ubuntu need some of the modules at compile time. I just dont know which :)
[10:34] <joh_> compile time = boot :)
[10:34] <joh_> typo...
[10:34] <Treenaks> joh_: there's an option for make-kpkg to do that afaik
[10:35] <Tiboz> yeah it's --initrd
[10:39] <joh_> Thanks guys!
[10:39] <joh_> I`ll try that, Beagle - here I come
[10:42] <plovs_work> joh_, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BeagleInstall
[10:46] <joh_> plovs_work: thanks!
[10:46] <dyn> Treenaks: hoari?
[10:46] <Treenaks> dyn: The Next Version
[10:47] <dyn> ok :)
[10:48] <Dethread> whorey
[10:48] <Dethread> :)
[10:48] <dyn> hahaha
[10:51] <dyn> "debian based p0rn distro - enjoy" ;)
[10:51] <dyn> (j/k..)
[10:51] <tvon> Treenaks: that would be tight
[10:51] <tvon> er, 'nice'
[10:51] <dyn> lol
[10:52] <Tiboz> it's the lesbian project
[10:55] <opi^work> I guess Jihad Debian Distro would be better for some people
[10:55] <Treenaks> tvon: you type "tight" for "nice"? hmm..
[10:56] <digitalSurgeon> i'mbakc :p
[10:56] <Ng> Treenaks: since Goldmember it's ok ;)
[10:57] <tvon> It would also be rad, cool, bitchen and totally tits
[10:57] <Treenaks> Ng: 8)
[10:57] <tvon> and it would 'kick my ass'
[10:57] <daniels> maswan: awesome :)
[10:59] <|trey|> lesbian = pr0n collection that is entirely apt-get'able  8)
[11:00] <xskoulax> morning
[11:01] <digitalSurgeon> lol @ trey
[11:01] <ubergoober> mornin'
[11:02] <digitalSurgeon> gmorning
[11:02] <digitalSurgeon> it's 2 pm here in pakistna
[11:02] <xskoulax> 3am here in Denver
[11:02] <Dethread> 2am on the west coast
[11:02] <Tiboz> 11 am in paris
[11:02] <xskoulax> afternoon digitalSurgeon
[11:03] <|trey|> digitalSurgeon: not being funny... http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/
[11:05] <housetier> oh yes porn-get is funny
[11:09] <alka_trash> nice lesbian distro
[11:10] <sladen> alka_trash: have you seen the   @ lesbian  t-shirts Jason Clifford had printed?
[11:11] <alka_trash> no I haven't
[11:15] <s7s> How can i listen to one of the radio-stations in 'Rythmbox 0.8.5'? It keeps freezing when i try to connect.
[11:16] <digitalSurgeon> totem and rythembox both are crap
[11:17] <NoStress> hi
[11:17] <housetier> s7s, I experience the same but haven't found a solution yet
[11:17] <digitalSurgeon> lol
[11:18] <housetier> I believe it has to do with gnomevfs, but I don't know
[11:18] <Tiboz> s7s: if rhythmbox crashes, pick up the url of the radio you want to listen and play it with xmms
[11:18] <jdub> there's a bug about this in bugzilla - search for radio
[11:19] <alka_trash> yep xmms or beep-media-player
[11:19] <NoStress> I wanted to compile a NeHe opengl tutorial, it works, it create a opengl window but nothing appear in it
[11:19] <seb128> try with "gst-launch-0.8 gnomevfssrc location=....... ! spider ! volume ! audioscale ! audioconvert ! $(gconftool-2 -g /system/gstreamer/0.8/default/audiosink)"
[11:19] <seb128> if that doesn't work that's a gstreamer problem
[11:19] <Treenaks> don't forget to escape the !s
[11:20] <NoStress> when i run the bin bundled in the tgz, it works well
[11:20] <lhb> is there a runlevel editor in ubuntu (debian)
[11:20] <seb128> Treenaks: esoace the !s ?
[11:20] <Treenaks> escape even
[11:20] <NoStress> if a compile it, nothing is draw in the opengl window
[11:20] <Treenaks> if you're typing it in a shell
[11:20] <alka_trash> the nice thing about beep-media-player is that you can use winamp skins
[11:20] <seb128> Treenaks: ??
[11:20] <Lathiat> alka_trash: you can do that in winamp too
[11:20] <seb128> Treenaks: that's a command to enter in a shell, nothing to escape
[11:21] <Lathiat> i mean
[11:21] <Lathiat> xmms
[11:21] <NoStress> if a remove the -lGL in the makefile, il compile with no warning and works well ??!!
[11:21] <Treenaks> seb128: my shell complains about the "!"s not being escaped..
[11:21] <housetier> the "!" need to be escaped
[11:21] <seb128> that's a joke, isn't it ? :)
[11:21] <Treenaks> seb128: it tells me "event not found"
[11:22] <seb128> Treenaks: what are you doing and where ?
[11:23] <TheMuso> Attempting to do a dist-upgrade on a Ubuntu install I have here. I can't seem to connect to the server. Anybody else having any problems?
[11:23] <NoStress> any idea ?
[11:24] <Treenaks> seb128: entering your gst-launch command line in bash in  an xterm
[11:24] <Treenaks> oh wait..
[11:24] <Treenaks> it only complains if there's only one !
[11:24] <seb128> ?
[11:24] <seb128> I don't understand what you are doing, but this command doesn't need to be escaped for sure
[11:25] <Treenaks> seb128: try something in bash with only one ! in it..
[11:25] <seb128> ie ?
[11:25] <Treenaks> seb128: it'll try to find the last command with the word you put after the !
[11:25] <Treenaks> seb128: try "echo !gst-launch", for example
[11:25] <Lathiat>  s
[11:26] <seb128> Treenaks: why ? The "!" are separator for the gstreamer command ...
[11:26] <TheMuso> I think you have to escape ! signs in quotes when using with echo, etc.
[11:26] <Treenaks> seb128: yes I know.. but it's ALSO command repetition in (at least) bash and zsh
[11:27] <seb128> Treenaks: dunno why you're trying to repet stuff, but if you just use the command given some lines earlier it works
[11:27] <seb128> and you don't need to espace anything
[11:27] <Treenaks> seb128: I know that...
[11:28] <seb128> so what's the problem ?
[11:28] <Treenaks> seb128: it's just that it look weird to me, because I only use ! for repetition
[11:28] <seb128> oh ok
[11:28] <Treenaks> so I thought they needed to be escaped
[11:28] <seb128> ok
[11:28] <s7s> I also wonder why 'Rythmbox' wont play my (legal)mp3-files? Its says that it needs some kinda plug-in.
[11:28] <seb128> s7s: because mp3 is not free
[11:29] <seb128> s7s: install gstreamer0.8-mad from universe
[11:29] <digitalSurgeon> seb: what about the mp3z that i encoded mysef
[11:29] <Zindar> 53 upgraded <-- wow.. this close to release?
[11:30] <seb128> digitalSurgeon: the problem is with the format
[11:30] <|trey|> digitalSurgeon: the format is patented...
[11:30] <Treenaks> better use OGG
[11:30] <digitalSurgeon> wat about og vorbis ?
[11:30] <digitalSurgeon> ogg is open/free ?
[11:30] <Treenaks> ogg is free
[11:30] <|trey|> digitalSurgeon: OGG is patent free... would be better, yes.
[11:30] <Treenaks> and more importantly, patent-free
[11:30] <gonzokiwi> Can someone help me setup Tecra 8000 graphics?
[11:31] <TheMuso> And ogg sounds better. :)
[11:31] <gonzokiwi> TheMuso: Hi! I'm finally back...
[11:31] <|trey|> gonzokiwi: search google for "<your_video_card> linux" and look for the module you need...
[11:32] <gonzokiwi> The Muso: Ran dpkg-reconfigure... died, but seemed to edit file
[11:32] <Treenaks> gonzokiwi: dpkg-reconfigure died???
[11:32] <TheMuso> Did you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:33] <soma22> hy all
[11:33] <gonzokiwi> TheMuso: Yes, looks OK as far as I can tell...
[11:33] <TheMuso> But you said it died.
[11:33] <soma22> van valaki magyar?
[11:33] <gonzokiwi> Treenaks: Yes, error relating to a battery module said "expecting binary input", threw me back to console
[11:34] <Treenaks> gonzokiwi: scary stuff
[11:34] <gonzokiwi> TheMuso: Died, but I set a number of parameters first, and the config file seemed to update accordingly
[11:34] <TheMuso> So is it working ok?
[11:35] <gonzokiwi> TheMuso:No, only 640x480... in Device Manager says card capabilities unknown
[11:35] <TheMuso> Ok. What resolutions have you got listed in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file?
[11:35] <Treenaks> gonzokiwi: which driver did you select?
[11:36] <gonzokiwi> TheMuso: 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768 (LCD is 800x600)
[11:36] <gonzokiwi> Treenaks: It never asked me
[11:36] <Treenaks> gonzokiwi: if you did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and got asked questions, the driver would be one of them
[11:37] <gonzokiwi> Treenaks: Sorry, thought you mean during install... yes, I specified the correct driver there.
[11:38] <TheMuso> There is a neomagic driver.
[11:38] <gonzokiwi> TheMuso: Yes, selected the right one
[11:40] <mrjive> does anyone cas suggest a development tool for python?
[11:40] <mrjive> *can
[11:40] <dyn> i use vim
[11:41] <mrjive> :)
[11:41] <mrjive> yes but a programmer coming from win and just converted to linux asked me this
[11:41] <dyn> i see
[11:41] <arturaz> at least gnome-vfs ain't broken in 2.8 :)
[11:41] <arturaz> mrjive, there is eclipse
[11:41] <arturaz> for gtk
[11:41] <arturaz> and eric3 for QT
[11:42] <dyn> eclipse supports python? which plugin does that?
[11:42] <arturaz> dunno, i heard it
[11:42] <arturaz> anyway - i use vim :)
[11:42] <dyn> i use eclipse daily for java development
[11:42] <dyn> but never bumped into a python plugin
[11:43] <arturaz> i'm off to school
[11:43] <uman> what's new in gnome 2.8 compared to 2.6 ?
[11:43] <arturaz> uman, lot's of fixed bugs, hal integration :)
[11:43] <dyn> uman: http://gnome.org/start/2.8/notes/rnwhatsnew.html
[11:43] <uman> might just build it on crux, they've just updated the port
[11:44] <uman> thanks
[11:46] <krischan> dyn: coincidentially I read the word "eclipse" - tell me, is Eclipse easy-to-install on Ubuntu? In what repository can it be found?
[11:47] <mrjive> arturaz: tnx
[11:47] <gonzokiwi> Is a reboot required to update XF86Config-4 settings?
[11:47] <krischan> because I want to return to Java development with Eclipse too.
[11:47] <dyn> krischan: i always install all my development tools manually
[11:47] <Dethread> I use anjuta for all my development
[11:48] <Dethread> or vim :)
[11:48] <dyn> krischan: installing eclipse (after you have a working JDK is a matter of downloading and extracting the zip file
[11:48] <krischan> dyn: I see, so you compiled Eclipse yourself?
[11:48] <dyn> s/K/K)/
[11:48] <gonzokiwi> ...or anything else, so that the desktop offers new, relevent settings?
[11:48] <dyn> krischan: no
[11:48] <TheMuso> gonzokiwi: Just restart X.
[11:49] <gonzokiwi> TheMuso: Its painful being stupid... how?
[11:49] <Dethread> good night everyone
[11:49] <TheMuso> Get out of your GNOME session, and back to a gdm prompt. Then go to a console, and type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:50] <TheMuso> gonzokiwi: BTW We were all newbies at one stage.
[11:51] <gonzokiwi> TheMuso: Cheers mate...
[11:53] <gonzokiwi> TheMuso: IT WORKED! YAY! YOU ROCK!
[11:53] <TheMuso> gonzokiwi: Good to hear that it works for you. :)
[11:54] <gonzokiwi> TheMuso: Mate, I'll kiss a sheep for you...
[11:54] <TheMuso> DOn't go to any trouble. :)
[11:55] <ivar> q: is there a resource that defines how to configure all the nonstandard keys on a laptop keyboard (eg: volume control) ?
[11:56] <TheMuso> I think this varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. Not entirely sure though.
[11:58] <uman> btw, how do you start gnome without gdm
[11:58] <uman> I just don't like a graphical login
[11:58] <dyn> (echo exec gnome-session > ~/.xinitrc) && startx
[11:58] <uman> ah, gnome-session in my initrc, thanks a lot :)
[11:58] <dyn> :)
[11:59] <dyn> it's nice to see someone actually *understanding* an answer, not just executing it ;)
[11:59] <uman> ah, must be cause I've been on linux for over 2 years now, heh
[12:00] <uman> am just letting prt-get install gnome 2.8 with deps
[12:00] <uman> that'll take a while
[12:00] <Ng> ivar: The keyboard and keyboard shortcuts desktop config stuff should be able to do that
[12:00] <Ng> I'd explain the loction better, but I'm not sitting at my ubuntu install ;)
[12:00] <uman> Ng: what are you running on ?
[12:01] <Ng> right now I'm at work, running fedora core 2
[12:01] <uman> ok
[12:01] <ivar> Ng, thanks for the pointer.. I'll take another look
[12:01] <krischan> dyn: okay, JDK is already working. Where would you extract the Eclipse-SDK-ZIP to?
[12:01] <dyn> krischan: your choice really
[12:02] <Ng> somewhere like /usr/local/eclipse maybe
[12:02] <ivar> or /opt/eclipse
[12:02] <dyn> i prefer /usr/local/java/* for my java stuff
[12:02] <uman> I wished they'd do away with /opt and /usr/local
[12:03] <Ng> uman: where would locally installed stuff go?
[12:03] <TheMuso> Can anybody remember what other Ubuntu mirrors there are? I am currently unable to connect to the Ubuntu site. Is anybody else having problems accessing it
[12:03] <uman> for me it'd be fine to be just in /usr
[12:03] <Ng> uman: that's less than ideal tbh
[12:03] <uman> why
[12:03] <ivar> kremlyn, i just installed eclipse on ubuntu and (assuming you're using 3.0.1) you have to manually download the JDT as a seperate install
[12:03] <Ng> uman: you end up with a nasty mix of things dpkg knows about and things it doesn't
[12:04] <ivar> s/kremyln/krischan
[12:04] <TheMuso> /usr/local is a must on any system. You can't put any old file in areas that the package manager watches.
[12:04] <Tiboz> TheMuso: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[12:04] <uman> on crux I just symlink /opt and /usr/local to /usr
[12:04] <uman> works fine
[12:04] <ivar> hmm. xchat autocomplete's not very helpful.
[12:04] <Ng> uman: of course it works, it's just a recipe for pain later
[12:05] <housetier> ivar, it is helpful, you just have to tweak it to your needs :)
[12:05] <uman> I still don't see why binaries have to be all over the place
[12:05] <uman> what makes binaries in /usr/local special ?
[12:05] <ivar> housetier, is there a way to enable the autocomplete to show you what name it's resolved ?
[12:06] <Ng> uman: that they're not managed by the system packager (ie dpkg/rpm)
[12:06] <housetier> ivar, *cough* my bad really, I misread autocomplete as tabcomplete. I have to agree, autocomplete isnt reall helpful
[12:06] <uman> ah, I don't use that, I have ports system :)
[12:07] <uman> I still think that it's stupid to have several locations for the same thing
[12:07] <Zindar> the ports system is also a system packager
[12:07] <ivar> housetier, but tabcomplete's new to me, and much nicer.. thanks for the tip ;)
[12:07] <Zindar> uman: nobody is forcing you.. screw your boxes up.. that's fine
[12:07] <Zindar> :)
[12:08] <Tiboz> in xchat, you can have the old style tab completion
[12:08] <uman> ok, I'll stop to whinge
[12:08] <TheMuso> Thanks Tiboz
[12:08] <Ng> Zindar: he may well not screw up his boxes
[12:08] <Tiboz> put 1 to this option in xchat.conf completion_old = 0
[12:08] <Zindar> Ng: if he puts misc binaries in /usr/bin he will sooner or later :)
[12:08] <Tiboz> when xchat is not launched
[12:09] <Ng> Zindar: I agree it's likely, but it's not definite. at best we are pushing convention/tradition ;)
[12:09] <uman> hmm... seems like ftp.gnome.org is busy
[12:09] <TheMuso> Damn. All those sites are on the one server. Is anybody else able to get to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/archive at all?
[12:09] <lkp_> yep, no problem from here
[12:10] <TheMuso> Hmmm. Ok thanks.
[12:10] <Zindar> TheMuso, yeah.. that page gives a "create this page" thing
[12:10] <housetier> Tiboz, one can also use /set, /set *tab* to show all settings with tab :)
[12:10] <lkp_> With capital A though
[12:10] <krischan> ivar: What is JDT? I thought Eclipse SDK is all one would need.
[12:10] <Tiboz> housetier: yeah also :)
[12:10] <Zindar> Ng: well.. let just see :)
[12:11] <TheMuso> I can't even get a connection at all.
[12:11] <lkp_> do we have any hotplug experts around?
[12:11] <Tiboz> lkp_: you're having pbs with acpi and a thinkpad ?
[12:11] <TheMuso> Zindar: The a in archive should be capitalized
[12:11] <lkp_> Tiboz: Nope a thinkpad but not acpi yet
[12:12] <lkp_> I have my root fs on an external disk (USB2) and it fails when I enable the hotplug system
[12:12] <lkp_> (Had to disable it to get it to boot at all!)
[12:12] <Tiboz> i can't help you with this
[12:12] <lkp_> OK
[12:12] <zahm1> gdm wont start, using  radeon 9600XT 265mb
[12:12] <Tiboz> sorry
[12:12] <uman> I've heard that on some boots from USB you need some special timeout thingy
[12:13] <uman> at least from flash and USB hdds
[12:13] <lkp_> Did that by adding sleep to loadmodules in the initrd image.
[12:13] <uman> ok
[12:13] <uman> shame they didn't put a USB on my WRT54G
[12:13] <lkp_> But when it enables hotplug it seems to reload the USB drive and that messes with the root file system
[12:14] <mrjive> how can I see new packages in synaptic? i tried to make a filter and specify "new in archive" ma id does not work...
[12:14] <TheMuso> Damn. Seems that it is something to do with my connection/ISP. I don't want to reconnect due to a download happening. :(
[12:15] <TheMuso> Seems to happen every so-often
[12:15] <Treenaks> lkp_: you could try adding usb-storage to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, but that might ruin it completely..
[12:15] <Treenaks> lkp_: or it might work..
[12:15] <uman> anyone know a good mirror for ftp.gnome.org ?
[12:15] <Zindar> ftp.acc.umu.se :)
[12:16] <Zindar> na.. just kidding
[12:16] <Zindar> same box
[12:16] <lkp_> Treenaks, tried that + the uhci/ohci to stop if from messing with me, but /etc/init.d/hotplug start still loses my rroot
[12:16] <Zindar> uman: what's the problem with ftp.gnome.org?
[12:16] <TheMuso> Ah. Found myself a local mirror. Nice.
[12:16] <uman> and I was already editing my Pkgfile
[12:16] <uman> it times out
[12:16] <uman> when getting vte
[12:17] <Zindar> hmm.. let me talk to ppl
[12:17] <Zindar> uman: have you tried getting it over http instead of ftp?
[12:17] <uman> I'll just try it out tomorrow
[12:17] <Zindar> http://ftp.gnome.org/
[12:17] <Zindar> ?
[12:18] <uman> it's just the ports system trying to pull it
[12:18] <mir> How do I mount ntfs in rw mode?.. the option rw (in fstab) does not seem to do the job
[12:18] <uman> I might just wget it
[12:19] <Treenaks> mir: it's not possible with the default kernel, I think
[12:19] <TheMuso> mir: The native Linux NTFS driver doesn't work properly for writing, so is disabled by default for safety.
[12:19] <dyn> does ubuntu installs clean out of the box to a sata hda?
[12:19] <Ng> dyn: should do
[12:19] <Ng> dyn: I installed it to an SATA drive on a via controller
[12:19] <Ng> (the one built into my KT800 mobo)
[12:19] <dyn> Ng: sounds ok.. my n00b friend would need to install on sata
[12:19] <uman> hm, mc also doesn't want to connect to it, I'll leave it for later
[12:20] <uman> does it put SATA drives on hde /etc ?
[12:20] <Ng> dyn: I think it should be fine unless he has an unsupported controller
[12:20] <uman> I mean /dev/hde etc
[12:20] <para> c
[12:20] <Ng> yes
[12:20] <Ng> well
[12:20] <dyn> uman: it uses sda/.. for sata using kernel >2.6.7
[12:20] <Ng> some of them put the drives through the SCSI layer
[12:20] <dyn> imho
[12:20] <Ng> so /dev/sde etc
[12:20] <uman> ah ok
[12:20] <ivar> krischan, sorry was afk .. JDT == java development toolkit..  Eclipse is a barebones platform until you add stuff to it
[12:21] <uman> I'll wait until I get a pci express board before bothering with sata
[12:21] <__daniel> hai
[12:21] <Ng> dyn: I'm sure I've come across something still using the IDE layer for SATA, but yeah, they mostly seem to use SCSI now
[12:21] <ivar> krischan,  JDT had been part of the stanard SDK until recently..  or maybe it's just the linux/GTK version that's seperate
[12:22] <Ng> my bad
[12:22] <dyn> Ng: just as i said, kernels around 2.6.5-2.6.7 used the /dev/hde,.. stuff
[12:22] <krischan> ivar: So, to be clear on this, I need Eclipse SDK + JDT in order to work properly?
[12:23] <dyn> krischan: the SDK delivers with JDT by default
[12:23] <Ng> dyn: I think it was a later kernel than that, but I only used the controller once, so it could be my faulty brain ;)
[12:23] <dyn> :)
[12:23] <Rocha> Good morning
[12:23] <ivar> dyn, i just installed eclipse sdk 3.0.1 gtk, and jdt was not included
[12:24] <dyn> ivar: was it the SDK download? are you sure?
[12:24] <Rocha> Can I make some bug reports here? I installed Ubuntu yesterday.
[12:24] <krischan> all very confusing ... well I am additionally downloading the JDT, just in case.
[12:24] <ivar> krischan, well.. maybe I grabbed the wrong file :| , but if after installing you can't start a java 'project' you'll need the JDT
[12:25] <__daniel> Rocha, go to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:25] <ivar> dyn, i grabbed eclipse-platform-SDK-3.0.1-linux-gtk.zip
[12:25] <Rocha> __daniel, ok
[12:25] <__daniel> Rocha, it's what i did some moments ago :-)
[12:26] <krischan> ivar: Okay, I'll install SDK and then I'll see further. Thanks for your hints anyway, dyn and ivar. Now excuse me, it's time for me to go AFK.
[12:26] <dyn> ivar: that's the problem.. the eclipse-SDK-3.0.1* contains the platform PLUS the JDK
[12:26] <ivar> oops.
[12:26] <dyn> ivar: the eclipse-platform-SDK-wtf contains only the platform, no JDT
[12:26] <mir> TheMuso: I thought it was fixed in 2.6.x and that ntfs writing was reliable and not experimental anymore..?
[12:26] <dyn> s/JDK/JDT/
[12:27] <Rocha> Ubuntu rocks, but there are some little things lacking.
[12:27] <TheMuso> mir: That is the first I have heard about that. Mind you, I have no use for the module myself.
[12:27] <vrln> is the ubuntu artwork meeting today?
[12:28] <Keybuk> vrln: yes, 1600 UTC
[12:28] <uman> what UTC is it now ?
[12:28] <daniels> Keybuk: 1600?
[12:28] <mir> TheMuso: I don't need it eaither... but I have some friends how have to converted 100% so they want it. :-)
[12:28] <TheMuso> I thought it was 1400 according to a post from jdub on the list earlier today.
[12:28] <Keybuk> uh, 1400 UTC
[12:28] <Keybuk> sorry
[12:28] <vrln> anyone know what utc it is now :P
[12:28] <Keybuk> 1500 BST ... I added rather than subtracted
[12:28] <Keybuk> ho-hum
[12:28] <Keybuk> descent scott% TZ=utc date
[12:29] <Keybuk> Mon Oct 18 10:28:54 utc 2004
[12:29] <TheMuso> 10:28AM
[12:29] <vrln> ok, thanks
[12:29] <uman> so in like 3.5 hours
[12:29] <ivar> q: is there a ubuntu firefox newer than 9.3 ?
[12:30] <Keybuk> ivar: we had 1.0PR1 packaged, but it just had too many bugs
[12:30] <ivar> Keybuk, so it's worse ?
[12:30] <vrln> ivar: the 0.10 version has some problems, but the 0.93 is security fixed anyway, even if it's the old version
[12:31] <ivar> ok.. I'll just be happy with .93 and wait for the powers that be :)
[12:31] <dyn> 1.0PR1 is out?
[12:31] <mir> Are there some Debian users here?... If so why would one go from debian to ubuntu.. I was very impressed at first, that everything was working default... but then as I was using it, it was just like my debian install so I thought, why run ubuntu?.. Anyone else have an opinion?.. I just want to hear others versions, this is *not* anti ubuntu or anything
[12:31] <opi^work> mir: different approach
[12:31] <cbaoth_> Less tinkering required... that's about it IMO.
[12:31] <opi^work> mir: more stable relaeases
[12:32] <opi^work> more == quicker
[12:32] <TheMuso> mir: GNOME 2.8.
[12:32] <ivar> mir, i'm a relative newbie and what sold me was the realization that ubuntu == debian with funding
[12:32] <Ng> plus it's not that long since ubuntu forked sid. give them a bit more time to make their mark :)
[12:32] <Keybuk> Ubuntu is Debian for people who want to use their machine more than they tinker with it
[12:32] <dyn> mir: expectable release cycles, fresh gnome stuff, some minor stability patches, the feeling of a 'distro', not a bunch of packages stuffed together
[12:32] <ivar> yay ! it's a ubuntu glee club :)
[12:32] <TheMuso> Laptop stuff configured out of the box, I.E speedstep. That is nice. :)
[12:32] <uman> more of a desktop distro I guess
[12:33] <ivar> also, #ubuntu is a decent resource.. where as #debian tends to be off topic or scroll too fast for those who consult xchat less frequently
[12:33] <uman> I must say, this channel is quite nice
[12:33] <uman> and I don't even use ubuntu
[12:34] <sean_> #mplayer
[12:34] <TheMuso> This is the first time I have been on #ubuntu and I thought it would be busier than this.
[12:34] <uman> I hope they'll bring out the fixed gmplayer for alsa
[12:34] <TheMuso> I dare say it probably does get busier though.
[12:34] <Ng> it will be busier when more of america is awake
[12:34] <uman> out of CVS
[12:34] <ivar> TheMuso, keep in mind it's 3:30 on the west coast..
[12:34] <ivar> of north america
[12:34] <sean_> I cant get mplayer to open a .ogm file to save my life
[12:35] <TheMuso> True. It is 8:30 PM here in eastern Australia though.
[12:35] <mir> Ok.. Thanks for the comments.. just wanted to hear other opinions.. I personally was impressed with Ubuntu, but, as I have been running debian for a couple of years I feel I can configure it desktop firendly, so I was quickly back on debian again, as I did not see any advantage for me.. I run Sarge/testing... But Ubuntu was the distro needed to make my gf convert :-)).. and some friends.. they are really really impressed.
[12:35] <uman> TheMuso: where in OZ ?
[12:35] <dyn> mir: ubuntu is definetely gf-compatible
[12:35] <dyn> mir: (after adding mplayer and w32codecs)
[12:35] <TheMuso> uman: Sydney.
[12:35] <mir> dyn :)
[12:36] <mir> dyn: exactly what I did
[12:36] <dyn> i use gentoo at work and installed ubuntu for my gf too :)
[12:36] <Zindar> dyn: yeah.. my gf also liked it... especially the guy in the login screen :)
[12:36] <dyn> she loves it
[12:36] <dyn> haha Zindar
[12:36] <uman> hehe
[12:36] <dyn> dont fall back to the theme topic ;)
[12:36] <sean_> I so changed the login screen as soon as I could
[12:36] <Zindar> dyn: hehe.. I'll try to avoid that
[12:36] <mir> dyn: I love gentoo as well... I had some problems with kernel 2.6 on it, that why I don't have it installed at the moment
[12:37] <dyn> gentoo takes shitloads of tinkering
[12:37] <sean_> grrrrr to mplayer
[12:37] <dyn> some love it (me) some aint
[12:37] <dyn> but it takes too much time sometimes
[12:37] <dyn> and actually ubuntu feels really faster than my uber-tuning gentoo here at work with about the same config
[12:37] <uman> sean_: iirc you have to tell mplayer where your codecs are when you compile
[12:37] <dyn> which i couldn't really explain in spite of my background experience :)
[12:38] <mir> well as soon as gentoo is up and running it is very fast.. So one should not do changes when one does not have time :).
[12:38] <sean_> I followed the directions to the t but I perhaps did something wrong
[12:38] <Zindar> what's really nice about ubuntu is also that ppl can support there software on it...  for example.. if I wrote a good software I wanted to distribute for many distributions I wouldn't put up a deb-sourse  for debian unstable.. it changes to much
[12:38] <uman> it's summink like --with-codecdir or such
[12:38] <uman> been a while
[12:39] <dyn> mir: being a gentoo fan usually comes with upgrading all stuff at least weekly as i see :)
[12:39] <uman> sean_: or try out xine
[12:40] <mir> dyn: Yepp.. I did upgrade quite often... I had no problems with it.. it was just doing its job in the background... just like apt-get dist-upgrade.
[12:41] <Zindar> need to find some dinner...
[12:41] <Zindar> late dinner
[12:41] <Zindar> bye
[12:41] <mir> dyn: I think I have to buy a new computer before I can run Gentoo again.. 2.6 just wont run if I compile it myself..
[12:41] <Keybuk> mir: I think one of the main Ubuntu goals is though you *can* install Debian and configure it as a decent desktop system, you only need install Ubuntu -- it's already configured for you
[12:42] <dyn> mir: what box you got?
[12:43] <mir> Keybuk: Yes, that is one advantage... thats why I wanted to hear debian user views...  But 2.6 just wont work if I compile it.. The problem can lie somewhere between the keyboard and the hair, but I have not found anything yet... :-8
[12:44] <dyn> between the keyboard and the hair?! LOL! :)
[12:44] <dyn> i haven't heard that before ;)
[12:44] <dyn> pretty smart 8)
[12:44] <mir> dyn: I meant chair :-)
[12:45] <Ng> PEBKAC ;)
[12:45] <dyn> nod :)
[12:46] <Keybuk> mir: tried booting with noapic and/or pci=noacpi ?
[12:48] <sly_alien> is the package servers down or something? :S
[12:48] <Keybuk> works from here ...
[12:48] <sly_alien> hmm
[12:49] <sly_alien> well i cant seem to access them :/
[12:49] <TheMuso> sly_alien: You seem to be having the same prob as I did. You know there are australian Ubuntu package mirrors now?
[12:49] <sly_alien> there are?
[12:49] <sly_alien> :)
[12:49] <TheMuso> http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/ubuntu
[12:49] <sly_alien> nice thanks
[12:49] <sly_alien> i'll try that out
[12:50] <hazmat> is there anyway to configure evolution, to use an existing spam folder?
[12:50] <mir> Keybuk: Yes, I did, I even took a .config file from a kernel (2.6 precompiled) witch was working on my machine, and compiled it, and it did not work.. just did this to se if it would work...
[12:51] <TheMuso> sly_alien: There may be others, but I know only of that one, as it is a free quota source for me.
[12:51] <TheMuso> That should be quota free.
[12:51] <Deft> does anyone know of any reported long start up time bugs?
[12:52] <sly_alien> TheMuso, yeah i've used that mirror before for other linux and it is fast for me :)
[12:53] <sly_alien> should i even bother trying to install ati drivers?
[12:53] <Deft> my latest ubuntu install has two very long pauses in the startup process, one at the first "Starting ubuntu" point, and another at starting hotplug, anyone else got this?
[12:54] <TheMuso> Depends on whether you want/need 3D acceleration. I am using the dsriver that comes with X on my laptop, as I don't need 3D.
[12:54] <polok_> how do I add a locale using the command line?
[12:54] <sly_alien> hmm i cant even get to the security mirror :/
[12:54] <Treenaks> Deft: that could be, yes
[12:54] <TheMuso> I simply used the pacific line I gave you before for security as well and that seemed to work.
[12:54] <sly_alien> ah i can use that aswell ok
[12:55] <sly_alien> TheMuso, what would the mirror for security be?
[12:55] <Ng> Deft: starting hotplug can take a while, it's checking every bit of hardware and loading drivers
[12:55] <Ng> not sure what the other one is
[12:56] <TheMuso> sly_alien: Just replace the security.ubuntu.com portion of the line with mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/ubuntu
[12:57] <sly_alien> ah ok
[12:57] <TheMuso> deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[12:57] <TheMuso> deb-src http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[12:57] <sly_alien> yeah
[12:57] <sly_alien> thanks
[12:57] <sly_alien> :)
[12:58] <Deft> Ng, however, on my debian install it was close to instant
[12:59] <Deft> Ng, strangely, on restarting the service on a running system, and looking at dmesg, all the messages are within 5 seconds of each other (too long, but better), for another 5 seconds there is no output at all...
[01:02] <sly_alien> how can i play mp3s?
[01:02] <Treenaks> sly_alien: install gstreamer0.8-mad from universe
[01:03] <joh_> sly_alien: check the "restricted format" entry in the wiki
[01:03] <sly_alien> thanks
[01:03] <joh_> it helped me a lot
[01:03] <JanneM> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[01:03] <sly_alien> i cant even get on ubuntu website
[01:03] <sly_alien> hopefully wiki works
[01:03] <JanneM> seems a little slow right now
[01:03] <TheMuso> No it doesn't from here.
[01:03] <sly_alien> hmm
[01:03] <sly_alien> nah i cant go on from here :(
[01:03] <sly_alien> any idea why?
[01:04] <TheMuso> Well try the gstreamer0.8-mad package from universe.
[01:04] <sly_alien> yeah i will
[01:04] <sly_alien> just wondering why i cant access the site
[01:04] <TheMuso> I am wondering the same thing, but have no real need for it at the moment.
[01:04] <Ng> Deft: weird. bugzilla it, or start debugging hotplug :)
[01:06] <Deft> Ng, done
[01:07] <Deft> now to start hunting again on not being able to boot windows! it's non stop fun reinstalling a PC these days
[01:07] <uman> you can always fdisk /mbt
[01:08] <uman> you can always fdisk /mbr
[01:08] <uman> if you're desperate
[01:08] <Deft> tried that (well, fixboot/fixmbr) no luck
[01:08] <vjsanjay> how to install ubuntu from rh9 I am hving iso image in HDD
[01:09] <Deft> fixmbr doesn't actually seem to do anything though, it will tell me I have a non-standard/corrupt mbr, then after I tell it to overwrite it, it tells me that it still is nonstandard/corrupt
[01:09] <uman> can you still mount your windows partition under linux ?
[01:10] <Deft> probably, haven't actually tried; I can cat from it definitely, so I know ntldr is in pace
[01:10] <Deft> * place
[01:10] <uman> Deft: all that the MSDOS mbr will do it to boot the boot sector from the "activated" partition
[01:10] <uman> if you can't find such a partition with fdisk, windows won't be able to boot
[01:12] <Deft> uman, the first partition is winxp on vfat, the start of the partition definitely looks like ntldr; all I do in grub is root, then makeactive, then chainloader +1 and boot
[01:12] <Deft> I think the problem is more fundamental though, as even overwriting grub with ntldr doesn't work
[01:12] <uman> Deft: uhm, I only know lilo, but that looks ok for grub
[01:13] <uman> did you try to do a "repair install" thing from C ?
[01:13] <uman> CD
[01:14] <uman> that's what I love on linux, easy to fix such shit
[01:14] <uman> windows is just such a bitch when it has to share the computer
[01:14] <uman> sorry for the language
[01:14] <Deft> well, I installed XP after ubuntu, aiming to overwrite grub, then reinstall it after; XP fails on it's first boot; ntldr gives a disk error, even though it's installed in the mbr and I used it's own tool to create it's partition