[01:13] <LaserJock> oh man
[01:13] <zul> hmm?
[01:13] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock
[01:13] <LaserJock> you know how my department server went down
[01:13] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:14] <zul> its an on going saga but yes :)
[01:14] <LaserJock> I just got an email that they are discontinuing our accounts
[01:14] <zul> ouch.
[01:14] <ajmitch> nasty
[01:14] <LaserJock> we have to migrate our mail ASAP
[01:15] <Burgwork> discounting your accounts? are they insane?
[01:15] <LaserJock> well, the server fried
[01:16] <LaserJock> and they don't want to pay for maintenance
[01:16] <LaserJock> it's not a biggie for most people
[01:16] <LaserJock> but I get 99% of my email forwarded or directly there
[01:19] <TheMuso> Ouch.
[01:23] <LaserJock> wahoo, got my MOTU Science scripts spiffed up and ready to go for feisty
[01:24] <zul> spiffy
[01:24] <ajmitch> wonderful!
[01:24] <LaserJock> http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/scripts/
[01:24] <LaserJock> I'm not that great with shell script yet
[01:25] <ajmitch> LaserJock: why isn't that a bzr branch?
[01:26] <LaserJock> ajmitch: cause I never really thought of it
[01:26] <ajmitch> makes it easier even for personal use
[01:26] <ajmitch> I've even stuck my pbuilder configs in bzr
[01:26] <LaserJock> yeah, I probably should
[01:26] <ajmitch> since they're long & have a few extra features
[01:29] <LaserJock> anyway, so we have Debian/Ubuntu lists
[01:29] <LaserJock> and a bug list
[01:29] <LaserJock> which is nice
[01:29] <chillywilly> hey guys
[01:30] <LaserJock> hopefully I can use some of the same stuff to work on MOTU task lists
[01:46] <luisbg_zZzZZzZz> quick question... for a package to be accepted in motu... besides being well package? has the software need to be useful... or apps in a pre-beta fase are accepted?
[01:50] <luisbg> I ment universe
[01:51] <lifeless> luisbg: pretty much anything open source is ok, regardless of status
[01:52] <luisbg> lifeless, nice =), trying to make a package of this friend's project
[01:52] <luisbg> well... gotta go sleep, goodnight all
[02:11] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[02:11] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[02:11] <Fujitsu> LaserJock!
[02:11] <LaserJock> Fujitsu!
[02:12] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I worked a lot on the MOTU Science scripts today
[02:13] <Fujitsu> What do they do now?
[02:13] <LaserJock> well, I just cleaned them up
[02:13] <LaserJock> and got it so they can be automated ( cronjob or something)
[02:14] <LaserJock> http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/scripts/
[02:14] <LaserJock> and I put the scripts up ^^
[02:14] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[02:15] <LaserJock> we need to get lucas to update mdt
[02:15] <Fujitsu> What about it needs updating?
[02:16] <LaserJock> well, your patch for outdatedbutlocal
[02:16] <LaserJock> and cleanup of some urls
[02:17] <LaserJock> also he's missing a couple deps
[02:17] <Fujitsu> The best idea is for someone to create a branch of it, and push it to somewhere public.
[02:18] <Fujitsu> That someone could be me :P
[02:19] <LaserJock> well, I also need to put these scripts in a bzr repo
[02:20] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: so do it
[02:20] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: What URL cleanup is necessary?
[02:21] <LaserJock> changelogs.ubuntu.com
[02:21] <LaserJock> instead of packages.ubuntu.com
[02:24] <Fujitsu> My copy here already uses changelogs.ubuntu.com...
[02:24] <Fujitsu> You must be running an old copy, LaserJock.
[02:25] <LaserJock> well, that's what I was wondering
[02:25] <LaserJock> I grabbed a fresh branch
[02:25] <LaserJock> I thought
[02:25] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: where'd you get yours?
[02:26] <Fujitsu> Pulled from http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/multidistrotools/
[02:26] <LaserJock> :/
[02:26] <LaserJock> I did the same thing
[02:26] <LaserJock> but your patch didn't apply cleanly
[02:26] <LaserJock> maybe something's wrong with my branch
[02:27] <LaserJock> if we can get it updated on tiber I can run everything off of there
[02:28] <Fujitsu> My patch didn't apply cleanly on my local copy either :S
[02:28] <Fujitsu> Hunk 1 failed, as it was missing the merge link.
[02:28] <Fujitsu> I must have made it from an old copy on another box.
[02:40] <Fujitsu> My MDT testing seems to be hanging somewhere here :/
[02:42] <ajmitch> nope
[02:42] <LaserJock> what gnewsense?
[02:42] <Fujitsu> What about it?
[02:43] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ubuntu without the nasty proprietary bits, blessed by the FSF
[02:43] <LaserJock> oh
[02:43] <LaserJock> gnubuntu
[02:43] <minghua> I am just curious if it's a one-man business, but used by FSF to prove a point
[02:44] <minghua> hmm, s/prove/try to prove/
[02:44] <ajmitch> minghua: 2-man, at least :)
[02:45] <LaserJock> well, I wouldn't think it'd be hard
[02:45] <LaserJock> isn't it Ubuntu - Restricted - Multiverse?
[02:45] <minghua> LaserJock: kernel firmware
[02:46] <ajmitch> and launchpad-free
[02:47] <LaserJock> hah
[02:48] <zul> meh...
[02:49] <ajmitch> bye Fujitsu
[02:52] <minghua> "in its first release, gNewSense has ... made emacs, ... part of the default install."
[02:52] <minghua> Boo
[02:53] <Fujitsu> ... emacs... Yucky.
[02:53] <TheMuso> I'm enclined to agree.
[02:54] <LaserJock> wahoo for emacs
[02:54] <Fujitsu> OH, I know why mdt took so long.
[02:54] <Fujitsu> I forgot to filter the package lists... >_>
[02:55] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Have you managed to get a proper branch of mdt yet?
[02:56] <LaserJock> what do you mean?
[02:56] <zul> must stop reading forums..
[02:56] <Fujitsu> You said your current one used packages.ubuntu.com rather than changelogs.ubuntu.com...
[02:56] <LaserJock> oh
[02:56] <LaserJock> well no, I didn't fix that yet
[02:57] <LaserJock> I have a ton of stuff to do today
[02:57] <LaserJock> but I did fix his deps
[02:57] <LaserJock> and applied your patch - that 1 hunk
[02:57] <minghua> Fujitsu, LaserJock: is there a new url with updated version comparison list I can link from the wiki?
[02:58] <minghua> Fujitsu, LaserJock: (I think both of you have seen the reply to my mail on -science)
[02:58] <Fujitsu> minghua: I haven't seen one, I don't think.
[02:59] <minghua> huh.
[03:00] <LaserJock> i did
[03:00] <LaserJock> minghua: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/feisty/all.html
[03:01] <minghua> LaserJock: thanks
[03:01] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: That's a really strange MDT you have there.
[03:02] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: why?
[03:03] <Fujitsu> It says `MoM' instead of `Merges', and uses p.u.c...
[03:03] <Fujitsu> *Merge
[03:04] <LaserJock> I'm branching again
[03:05] <imbrandon> moins all
[03:05] <minghua> hi imbrandon
[03:06] <Fujitsu> Hey imbrandon.
[03:06] <imbrandon> LaserJock, nice script
[03:06] <zul> evening imbrandon
[03:06] <imbrandon> heya zul
[03:06] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Is your cron job now using an updated copy of the package lists?
[03:07] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon
[03:07] <imbrandon> LaserJock, mind if i use that script for a diffrent set of packages ?
[03:07] <minghua> some people should package that script :-)
[03:08] <LaserJock> well
[03:08] <LaserJock> mdt is kinda packaged
[03:08] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: what package lists?
[03:08] <LaserJock> imbrandon: of course you can, but it's probably crap anyway so use at your own risk ;-)
[03:09] <imbrandon> hehe where is it at ? on tiber ?
[03:09] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Lists of packages in science/electronics/math.
[03:09] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: those are generated by the scripts
[03:09] <LaserJock> imbrandon: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/scripts/
[03:10] <imbrandon> i would like to run this for our KDE stuff
[03:10] <imbrandon> kk
[03:12] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ok what one do i edit for the package list
[03:13] <imbrandon> i have them copied to my home dir :)
[03:13] <LaserJock> generate.bash is the important one
[03:13] <minghua> heard from #gnewsense:  the splash screen of xdm still says Debian in the ubuntu package, and therefore also says Debian in gnewsense package :-)
[03:16] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: do you have an updated patch?
[03:16] <imbrandon> LaserJock, so i need to make a $HOME/.multidistrotools ?
[03:16] <LaserJock> imbrandon: you need to install multidistrotools
[03:16] <imbrandon> i'm doing this on tiber also
[03:16] <LaserJock> oh
[03:16] <imbrandon> so its probably installed
[03:16] <LaserJock> then you're all good I think
[03:16] <imbrandon> i just want to use diffrent package list
[03:17] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Yes, it has an extra thing as well. I'll upload it somewhere.
[03:17] <Yagisan> anyone here familiar with sdl threads ? and has a spare minute
[03:18] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/outdatedandlocal.diff
[03:29] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: ok reload http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/feisty/
[03:30] <Fujitsu> Well, it seems to work.
[03:31] <Fujitsu> `Generated using MultiDistroTools on Thu Nov 02 23:47:00 UTC 2006'
[03:31] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[03:31] <Fujitsu> Just all.html hasn't been updated recently.
[03:32] <LaserJock> you sure
[03:32] <Fujitsu> Ah, 'twas a proxy doing something stupid.
[03:32] <Fujitsu> I /was/ reconfiguring its caching settings at the time, which might have done it.
[03:38] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ok why am i getting http://tiber.tauware.de/~brandon/all.html
[03:39] <LaserJock> because the mdt on tiber doesn't have Fujitsu's patch
[03:39] <imbrandon> ahh
[03:39] <Fujitsu> If it doesn't have my patch, then why's it generating that state in the first place?
[03:39] <imbrandon> so your just uploading from localy ?
[03:40] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I am for now
[03:40] <imbrandon> is the patch in edgy ?
[03:40] <LaserJock> mdt isn't even in edgy
[03:41] <imbrandon> oh wow
[03:41] <imbrandon> heh
[03:41] <imbrandon> sid ?
[03:41] <LaserJock> no
[03:41] <Fujitsu> No, nothing.
[03:41] <LaserJock> there is no package
[03:41] <imbrandon> ok i give up how can i get this working localy then hehe
[03:42] <imbrandon> ( or better yet on my webserver )
[03:42] <imbrandon> mdt is bzr or svn or something ?
[03:42] <imbrandon> or Fujitsu you have a working copy for me ?
[03:42] <Fujitsu> It's in bzr, see MultiDistroTools on the wiki, then grab my patch from..
[03:42] <Fujitsu> http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/outdatedandlocal.diff
[03:43] <Fujitsu> (and apply it)
[03:43] <imbrandon> k
[03:45] <LaserJock> I've got it at http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/multidistrotools/
[03:45] <LaserJock> with dep changes and Fujitsu's patch
[03:46] <imbrandon> k
[03:49] <imbrandon> hrm i should be able to install this on my webserver too without making a deb later
[03:49] <imbrandon> looks like its just some ruby and bash scripts
[03:49] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Correct, which means it's horrifically slow.
[03:54] <imbrandon> ok LaserJockif anyone else askes i tar'd up your script and made a deb ( plus src ) at http://tiber.tauware.de/~brandon/mdt/
[03:55] <imbrandon> ( with a touched misc in the tar )
[03:56] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, ^^ ( and it has your patch )
[03:58] <imbrandon> man i wish the politicians would stop calling
[04:01] <imbrandon> LaserJock, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29955/ are those ruby errors normal ?
[04:09] <bmonty> when telemarketers call me I sent them to an asterisk extension that plays the monkeys screaming sound that comes with asterisk :)
[04:09] <imbrandon> lol
[04:10] <TheMuso> hahaha
[04:10] <TheMuso> Whats the state of play concerning packaging FireFox extensions?
[04:10] <imbrandon> hrm not sure, i dont use any
[04:19] <w00> *
[04:21] <imbrandon> ?
[04:21] <TheMuso> riiiiight.
[04:22] <ajmitch> someone being silly in multiple channels
[04:24] <lastnode> imbrandon, we have .debs! :-) http://upstreamdev.org/wiki/Releases/0.1.0
[04:24] <imbrandon> lastnode, rockin
[04:24] <LaserJock> imbrandon: not sure
[04:24] <LaserJock> I don't get those error
[04:24] <LaserJock> sorry, I had to blow out the sprinkler system
[04:24] <imbrandon> i only got them on the first run
[04:25] <imbrandon> so no biggie
[04:26] <imbrandon> i think there is some flaw in its logic though LaserJock / Fujitsu
[04:26] <imbrandon> look at amarok
[04:26] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com/feisty/html/all.html
[04:27] <Fujitsu> You mean ignoring epochs?
[04:28] <imbrandon> no i mean it says 1.4.4-0.1 is smaller than 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10
[04:28] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:28] <imbrandon> i guess it is
[04:28] <imbrandon> becouse of the epoch
[04:28] <Fujitsu> Yes, so it's right.
[04:28] <imbrandon> yea if it would ignore the epochs would be best
[04:28] <ajmitch> why?
[04:29] <imbrandon> ajmitch, why what ?
[04:29] <ajmitch> so you can merge it?
[04:29] <ajmitch> why ignore epochs?
[04:29] <imbrandon> becosue the report is saying debian is smaller than the ubuntu version but its really not
[04:30] <imbrandon> someone probably botched an upload
[04:30] <LaserJock> if it has an epoch it is
[04:30] <LaserJock> it uses the same logic apt does
[04:30] <ajmitch> that's because someone was silly enough to add an epoch, so the debian version will be smaller
[04:30] <imbrandon> yup and really not a way to un-epoch it
[04:31] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:31] <ajmitch> no way at all
[04:31] <ajmitch> that's why they should only be added when *really* needed
[04:32] <imbrandon> yea
[04:32] <Fujitsu> It first appeared when a new upstream of 1.4.1 was uploaded, I wonder why...
[04:32] <Fujitsu> What's the use of epochs in the first place?
[04:32] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Ri*ddel
[04:32] <lifeless> epochs are a way to 'uncommit'
[04:32] <imbrandon> 1.4.1 would have ben Riddell
[04:33] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok
[04:33] <lifeless> if you think of the package as a series of commits to a vcs ;)
[04:33] <Fujitsu> lifeless: Like, reverting to a previous upstream version?
[04:33] <ajmitch> epoch was added long before 1.4.1
[04:33] <lifeless> yah
[04:33] <Fujitsu> amarok (2:1.4.1-0ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low
[04:33] <Fujitsu> amarok (1.4.0a-1) unstable; urgency=low
[04:34] <ajmitch> the changelog may have been cut
[04:34] <lifeless> its just a way of saying 'a < b' when the upstream version part of a and b has a > b
[04:34] <Fujitsu> They are consecutive versions in the changelog...
[04:34] <Fujitsu> Ah, true.
[04:34] <ajmitch> or merged
[04:34] <ajmitch> look lower
[04:34] <imbrandon> yea they wouldent have started with 2:
[04:34] <imbrandon> likely
[04:35] <imbrandon> lifeless, yea but it sucks when ubuntu has it but debian dosent
[04:35] <lifeless> imbrandon: naturally
[04:35] <ajmitch> amarok (2:1.2.3-1ubuntu1) hoary; urgency=low
[04:35] <ajmitch>   * Sync with Debian
[04:35] <ajmitch>  -- Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:25:27 +0000
[04:35] <ajmitch> yeah, so it was riddell, much earlier
[04:35] <imbrandon> 1.2 wow
[04:36] <lifeless> the realy defect is that we consider the human version identier as a pun on the machine version marker
[04:36] <ajmitch> assuming that was the first upload with an epoch
[04:36] <lifeless> its really close to what tla did.
[04:36] <ajmitch> which I doubt
[04:36] <imbrandon> lifeless, huh ?
[04:36] <imbrandon> i totaly missed the point on that last statement hehe
[04:37] <imbrandon> hrm there really should be a way to undo an epoc to get back in sync
[04:38] <imbrandon> ( version wise )
[04:38] <ajmitch> there isn't
[04:38] <ajmitch> nothing trumps an epoch
[04:38] <Fujitsu> Except a higher epoch, which may occur in the next couple of decades.
[04:38] <imbrandon> lol
[04:39] <imbrandon> Same version in Debian and Ubuntu : 0 packages  <--- thats sad
[04:40] <lastnode> imbrandon, there are no dapper packages yet, but im assuming you're running edgy :P
[04:41] <imbrandon> ok can someone explain the debian gwenview versioning thinking to me ?
[04:41] <imbrandon> feisty but yea
[04:41] <imbrandon> :)
[04:41] <lastnode> imbrandon, heh, post python transition, then cool :-)
[04:44] <imbrandon> gwenview 1.4.0~debian.1-1 	1.4.0-0ubuntu2
[04:44] <imbrandon> wtf is that
[04:44] <Fujitsu> Is that two seperate version numbers/
[04:44] <Fujitsu> *?
[04:44] <imbrandon> yes
[04:45] <imbrandon> debian ubuntu
[04:45] <Fujitsu> OK.
[04:45] <Fujitsu> They're deranged.
[04:45] <imbrandon> man
[04:45] <imbrandon> why cant people stick to the normal way of versioning
[04:45] <Fujitsu> It looks like it's a special Debian upstream version. :S
[04:46] <imbrandon> it looks like they ripped the ubuntu version becouse we p[ackaged it first and put ~debian screwing things up
[04:47] <imbrandon> instead of 1.4.0-1.1 like it should have been
[04:47] <minghua> so is gwenview 1.4.0 released or not?
[04:47] <Fujitsu> 1.4.0-1, you mean?
[04:47] <minghua> if yes, then the debian version number is weird
[04:47] <imbrandon> err yea
[04:47] <Fujitsu> Any idea what difference is there between the two upstream tarballs, imbrandon?
[04:47] <minghua> if not, the ubuntu version number is wrong
[04:47] <imbrandon> minghua, yes its released many weeks ago
[04:48] <imbrandon> minghua, even if it wasent released the debian version would be wrong
[04:48] <minghua> imbrandon: why?
[04:48] <imbrandon> it would be 1.3.9xxxxxxxx
[04:49] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: No, the new standard would be 1.4.0~fsdfsdfsdfklsdjflsdkfjlsdf
[04:49] <Fujitsu> (where that is arbitrary text)
[04:49] <minghua> imbrandon: maybe it's a cvs/svn snapshot
[04:49] <imbrandon> standard for what ? beta , rc ? its not labled that way
[04:50] <imbrandon> minghua, there is no ~svn2006xxxx
[04:50] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Then 1.4.0~YYYYMMDD, or 1.4.0~rXX
[04:50] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, exactly
[04:50] <imbrandon> not ~debian
[04:50] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[04:50] <minghua>      + Upstream now splits the translations out into their own tarball.
[04:50] <minghua>        This is by no means a bad thing, but to avoid having a package stuck
[04:50] <minghua>        in NEW this close to a release, I'm gluing them back in for the
[04:50] <minghua>        moment. Once a releasable package is in Etch, I'll adopt upstream's
[04:50] <minghua>        practices. Hence the wacky package version.
[04:50] <Jozo-> 1.4.0-1 is in experimental
[04:50] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[04:50] <minghua> the debian maintainer has a perfect reason
[04:50] <Fujitsu> Thankyou minghua.
[04:51] <Fujitsu> Normally you wouldn't use ~ for that sort of thing, but this is a very special case, so it's suitable.
[04:51] <crimsun> sheesh, > 70k bugs already
[04:51] <imbrandon> man
[04:51] <minghua> he wants to repackage the source, and he also want it to be < 1.4.0 -- as I said, a perfect reason
[04:53] <imbrandon> imho 1.4.0-1~debian would have been saner but i'm not the DD
[04:53] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: No.
[04:53] <minghua> you want either ~debian1 or ~debian.1
[04:53] <imbrandon> yes 1.4.0-1 > 1.4.0-1~debian
[04:54] <imbrandon> or yes 1.4.0-1 > 1.4.0-1~debian.1
[04:54] <Fujitsu> The ~XXX has to go before the hyphen.
[04:54] <imbrandon> or yes 1.4.0-1 > 1.4.0-1~debian1
[04:54] <minghua> ah, I misread imbrandon
[04:54] <minghua> imbrandon: the source tarball version need to be different
[04:54] <Fujitsu> minghua: precisely.
[04:54] <minghua> you have xxx-1.4.0~debian.1.orig.tar.gz in this case
[04:55] <minghua> and you can safely upgrade to xxx-1.4.0.orig.tar.gz
[04:55] <imbrandon> _ not - , but yea
[04:55] <imbrandon> i see
[04:55] <minghua> yeah, _
[04:56] <LaserJock> arggg, FORTRAN
[04:56] <imbrandon> either way an new orig.tar.gz has to be uploaded so i really see no diffeence though
[04:56] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: What is?
[04:56] <LaserJock> I've got to figure out how to use this fortran data fitting program tonight
[04:57] <minghua> imbrandon: you want the xxx_1.4.0.orig.tar.gz to be the same one as the upstream one, the *debian*.orig.tar.gz to be repacked one, not vice versa
[04:59] <imbrandon> true
[04:59] <imbrandon> hrm looks like glibc hit feisty today, maybe it will open soon
[05:00] <ajmitch> hopefully today or so
[05:00] <Fujitsu> Sounds good.
[05:02] <milc> hehe
[05:02] <milc> i can't wait for feisty
[05:02] <imbrandon> milc, 6 months :)
[05:03] <milc> imbrandon, don't remind me! ;D
[05:03] <milc> I hope all sabdfl has been talkin about in his blog gets put together
[05:04] <milc> pretty pretty pretty
[05:05] <imbrandon> pretty < stable / working
[05:07] <ajmitch> we need to get things stable first, edgy hasn't got a good reputation now
[05:07] <ajmitch> so many bugs..
[05:07] <imbrandon> exactly
[05:08] <milc> i didn't mean unstable
[05:08] <crimsun> but pretty ponies > bugs!
[05:08] <Fujitsu> milc: Pretty often implies unstable.
[05:08] <imbrandon> crimsun, ehehe
[05:08] <Fujitsu> Especially when there are Beryls involved.
[05:09] <milc> heh, right now it means unstable, but it shouldn't
[05:09] <minghua> saying it shouldn't doesn't help though
[05:10] <milc> i by no means implied it did
[05:10] <imbrandon> milc, no it really always has if you think about it , pretty is always considered the newest untested code, e.g. beryl, once beryl becomes stable it will be old hat and something else will be "pretty"
[05:10] <milc> hmm, that's an interesting way of viewing things
[05:11] <milc> I don't in general see it that way, but your point is valid
[05:11] <milc> Well, I'll rephrase, I hope we get some pretty stability! :D
[05:12] <imbrandon> stable bling, heh is that an oxymoron ?
[05:13] <milc> I hope one day it isn't.  Then again I'm easy to please as far as bling goes, i find edgy gorgeous...
[05:13] <milc> but not in snazzy graphic effects like xgl+compiz or anything like that, just pretty in general
[05:13] <tritium> but buggy, nonetheless
[05:13] <imbrandon> yea pretty slow and unstable :)
[05:14] <milc> I haven't really experienced any bugs since just before the release
[05:14] <milc> but i hear there are lots
[05:14] <ajmitch> how could you say such a thing, imbrandon? ;)
[05:14] <imbrandon> heh
[05:14] <tritium> milc: I have
[05:15] <imbrandon> once i can run it on my i810 with a 2.9ghz celeron and 1.5 gig ram at the same speeds as i currently have with kwin I'll advocate it for default
[05:15] <imbrandon> but i dont think that day is soon
[05:16] <crimsun> it's coming next week!
[05:16] <Fujitsu> crimsun: I heard it was tomorrow!
[05:16] <ajmitch> crimsun: we believe you
[05:16] <imbrandon> heh
[05:16] <ajmitch> really
[05:18] <imbrandon> ajmitch, how was it on you x86 ?
[05:18] <imbrandon> your*
[05:20] <milc> runs fine on my x86, I'm actually pleased with gnome on here
[05:21] <milc> but i'm easy to please
[05:21] <imbrandon> its pretty unbearably slow for day to day use on here with gnome or kde
[05:22] <imbrandon> and i dont have *that* slow of a computer
[05:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: not too slow with nearly everything turned off
[05:22] <imbrandon> heh
[05:22] <imbrandon> i dident try to turn most of it off
[05:22] <ajmitch> animations were the worst
[05:23] <milc> imbrandon, wow, that stinks, mine is a 1.5 GHz pentium M with 512 MB RAM
[05:23] <crimsun> I'm happy enough with simple transparency
[05:23] <imbrandon> all i want is tranparency , wobbly windows, and the cube
[05:23] <imbrandon> everything else can go
[05:23] <Fujitsu> All I want is screen :P
[05:23] <imbrandon> lol
[05:24] <milc> lol
[05:24] <imbrandon> brb food
[05:24] <tritium> wobbly windows make me dizzy
[05:24] <tritium> I'd settle for evolution giving me appointment alarms
[05:25] <milc> hehe
[05:25] <milc> wobbly windows get really annoying imo
[05:25] <milc> when you wanna line everything up they're always wobblin
[05:25] <milc> it's like trying to line up a bunch of 5 year olds
[05:34] <imbrandon> wonder how many universe packages will be affected by that kernel change
[05:35] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: We should be able to find out fairly quickly.
[05:37] <imbrandon> well i mean the split in linux/if_*.h
[05:37] <imbrandon> my guess is there isnt many universe packages that depends on that but i could be wrong
[05:37] <Fujitsu> I meant that as well.
[05:38] <imbrandon> yea just makin sure you dident think i meant just a new version :)
[05:43] <_MMA_> I wonder if theres gonna be any girls there? :)
[05:43] <_MMA_> Or just a buncha geeky white guys. :)
[05:43] <_MMA_> Crap.Im a tard. :_)
[05:44] <crimsun> there will be women, there, of course
[05:44] <crimsun> a number of community people, like yourself
[05:44] <crimsun> some canonical staff
[05:44] <crimsun> some developers
[05:45] <_MMA_> I was talkin with Joe.  No. Im a married one who like to get in fights. :)
[05:48] <joejaxx> LOl
[05:49] <crimsun> I can just see Hobbsee with her pointy stick of doom.
[05:49] <joejaxx> hobbsee is going to be there?
[05:49] <crimsun> if so, you're in trouble
[05:50] <joejaxx> lol
[05:50] <imbrandon> joejaxx, no hobbsee wont be there this time
[05:50] <_MMA_> imbrandon: Just because your there for the summit doesnt mean it has to be all stuffy and business.
[05:50] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :(
[05:50] <joejaxx> that is unfortunate
[05:51] <_MMA_> I know what Im there for. Im still gonna have a good time.
[05:51] <imbrandon> _MMA_, very true , but i doubt picking up on woman is one of my "secondary" goals either
[05:51] <crimsun> I've got all my hot chicks in /media/usbdisk/.../kernels/dapper/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c anyhow.
[05:52] <_MMA_> Oh No. I didnt say anything about "picking up on woman". I just would like it if all I have to look at is a bunch of geeky white guys. :)
[05:52] <_MMA_> imbrandon: Especially in your current situation.
[05:52] <imbrandon> i'm green , does that count ?
[05:53] <_MMA_> If you were a girl, then call me James T Kirk.
[05:53] <crimsun> green from using beryl or green from what beryl causes?
[05:53] <_MMA_> Geeky enough for ya?
[05:53] <imbrandon> the latter crimsun heh
[05:56] <_MMA_> HA! I missed the spelling above. :)
[05:57] <_MMA_> *wouldnt
[06:02] <imbrandon> LaserJock, rockin , got it working
[06:02] <imbrandon> now just to tweak it a bit
[06:02] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com/feisty/html/all.html
[06:03] <imbrandon> more than 100 not in debian , wow
[06:03] <LaserJock> imbrandon: cool
[06:03] <Fujitsu> Aha!
[06:03] <Fujitsu> VMWare works a lot better when I turn CPU frequency scaling off.
[06:04] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: 135 is quite impressive.
[06:04] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, in vmware or the host ?
[06:04] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Host.
[06:04] <minghua> imbrandon: that can't be right... I am sure debian has those l10n kde packages...
[06:06] <minghua> I think I see
[06:06] <imbrandon> ugh wtf
[06:06] <minghua> imbrandon: are kde-i18n-xx separate source packages in ubuntu?
[06:06] <imbrandon> i dont think so
[06:06] <imbrandon> might be
[06:07] <imbrandon>  /dev/sdb1               60G    60G      0 100% /media/devel
[06:07] <imbrandon> ;(
[06:07] <imbrandon> something ate my drive up overnight
[06:07] <crimsun> it starts with a 'p' and ends with an 'r'
[06:08] <minghua> in debian all kde-i18n-xx stuff are built from source package kde-i18n, just FYI
[06:08] <imbrandon> probably but the only thing thats on a cron is pbuilder-<dist> update
[06:15] <imbrandon> ugh somethings not right
[06:16] <crimsun> well, don't put my pony in /media/devel kthx
[06:16] <crimsun> of course you'll run out of disk space
[06:16] <Fujitsu> :O
[06:16] <crimsun> bah
[06:16] <imbrandon> wellt he only thing thats on /media/devel is my pbuilders
[06:16] <crimsun> check the apt cache
[06:16] <joejaxx> lol
[06:17] <imbrandon> but /media/deve/sid is reporting a size of 70GB+ when the partition is only 60gb
[06:17] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: That's very good of it.
[06:17] <minghua> sparse files
[06:17] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: mounted stuff?
[06:17] <Fujitsu> Or sparse files.
[06:19] <imbrandon> holy fskin hell
[06:19] <imbrandon> i found out why
[06:20] <imbrandon> *groans* well i know the reason , but not why
[06:20] <crimsun> like I said, if you had just shipped bddebian's pony to me instead of holding it hostage...
[06:20] <imbrandon> hahah
[06:21] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss115.png  , about 5 screens of that
[06:21] <crimsun> hah
[06:21] <Fujitsu> HAHAH.
[06:21] <Fujitsu> Very good.
[06:22] <imbrandon> heh yea
[06:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: impressive
[06:22] <imbrandon> time for a reboot and to check my cron, i bet its becouse of the cronjob i set but i dunno why
[06:22] <LaserJock> what is that?
[06:22] <imbrandon> LaserJock, thats from the mount command
[06:22] <imbrandon> all those /proc shouldent still be mounted
[06:22] <LaserJock> oh geeze
[06:23] <imbrandon> and pts
[06:23] <crimsun> I wasn't far from the truth of it.
[06:23] <crimsun> :)
[06:23] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:23] <imbrandon> well i have ....
[06:23] <imbrandon> 0 *     * * *   brandon pbuilder-edgy update
[06:23] <imbrandon> 0 *     * * *   brandon pbuilder-sid update
[06:23] <imbrandon> 0 *     * * *   brandon pbuilder-dapper update
[06:23] <imbrandon> 0 *     * * *   brandon pbuilder-feisty update
[06:23] <imbrandon> in cron
[06:24] <imbrandon> but i guess thats not a good idea
[06:24] <LaserJock> why would that do that?
[06:24] <minghua> I see unmounted sys and proc fs by pbuilder too
[06:24] <imbrandon> no idea
[06:24] <minghua> but not often
[06:24] <imbrandon> minghua, yea but i have about 100+ of them
[06:25] <imbrandon> not good
[06:25] <crimsun> if pbuilder's interrupted, they won't be umounted.
[06:25] <imbrandon> i havent rebooted in 2 weeks anyhow , bout time for a clean boot
[06:25] <crimsun> I've gotten that precise symptom before
[06:25] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't use cron for anything :/
[06:25] <imbrandon> heh i use cron for a ton of stuff
[06:26] <imbrandon> its the one thing i miss when i'm on windows
[06:26] <minghua> it's still hard to believe just unmounted proc can eat up 60G harddrive, though
[06:26] <crimsun> LaserJock doesn't even know what he's missing with launchd ;)
[06:26] <imbrandon> thankfully i'm not on windows long enough to use cron
[06:26] <Fujitsu> I miss screen (and a reasonable CLI) when I'm on Windows.
[06:26] <minghua> (at least hard for me)
[06:26] <imbrandon> yea launchd is great on OSX
[06:27] <minghua> I miss the possibility to use "LC_CTYPE=XX program" to change locale
[06:27] <imbrandon> heh i only speak fluent english ( barely ) so i never use that
[06:27] <crimsun> I speek irc reel gud.
[06:28] <imbrandon> :)
[06:28] <imbrandon> ok well time for a reboot, back in a sec
[06:31] <Fujitsu> u du crimsun? i du 2!
[06:32] <Fujitsu> Eek.
[06:32] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: behave :)
[06:33] <Fujitsu> You won't harm the poor cute little pony!
[06:33] <Fujitsu> Sorry:
[06:33] <ajmitch> yes I will
[06:33] <Fujitsu> u wont hrm the pur cute ltle pny.
[06:33] <ajmitch> hm
[06:33] <Fujitsu> Damnit, I left a couple of vowels in there.
[06:33] <ajmitch> should I kick or remove?
[06:34] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: But think of the poor pony!
[06:34] <LaserJock> darn it, I hate my advisor's programming
[06:34] <LaserJock> no comments
[06:34] <crimsun> "the source is documentation enough!"
[06:35] <LaserJock> insists on running things by putting some cryptic sequence of numbers and "/" to tell the thing to run
[06:35] <LaserJock> I have no idea how to make this program run
[06:36] <Fujitsu> It's Fortran?
[06:36] <minghua> sounds a pretty standard scientific Fortran program :-)
[06:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:37] <LaserJock> he didn't want me to "waste my time" writing it in Python
[06:38] <LaserJock> but I'm pretty sure I could have written it in the time it's taking me to figure out how to make this thing run
[06:39] <Fujitsu> My father has stuff he uses most days written in various combinations of IDL, Fortran, Python and Tcl :S
[06:40] <bhale> damn right tcl
[06:44] <imbrandon> hrm
[06:45] <imbrandon> the /media/devel/*/build dirs are huge too
[06:45] <imbrandon> i wonder how that cron could have caused it
[06:45] <crimsun> Tcl, arrr
[06:47] <LaserJock> oh man, it did something!
[06:48] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Incinerated your machine?
[06:48] <LaserJock> I gave it 0/0/0/0/
[06:54] <milc> 8/6/7/5/3/0/9
[06:55] <milc> 9/0/2/1/0/
[06:56] <milc> that executed the "close Czessi connection" application
[06:59] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:59] <LaserJock> can Daniel real be up that early?
[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[06:59] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Seems like it.
[06:59] <LaserJock> yikes
[06:59] <Fujitsu> dholbach: Evening.
[06:59] <LaserJock> I guess
[06:59] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[07:00] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it's not possible, surely
[07:00] <dholbach> hey Fujitsu, ajmitch
[07:00] <dholbach> LaserJock: it's 07:00
[07:00] <ajmitch> dholbach: when do you fly?
[07:00] <dholbach> at my end of the world
[07:00] <ajmitch> it's 19:00 at my end of the world
[07:00] <LaserJock> 22:00 in mine
[07:01] <dholbach> ajmitch: tonight, rent a car, drive 800km to my parents place, drop the dog. tomorrow, leave with the car early, pick up mvo, fly from Frankfurt at 14:00 or something
[07:01] <ajmitch> right :)
[07:01] <ajmitch> that's a long way for you to drive to drop off a dog :)
[07:01] <imbrandon> wow
[07:02] <imbrandon> i dont leave for another 26 or so
[07:02] <dholbach> i'll be away for 2,5 weeks
[07:02] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you live a lot closer
[07:02] <imbrandon> ajmitch, true
[07:02] <imbrandon> only a 5 hour flight
[07:02] <ajmitch> 12 hour flight from AKL->SFO
[07:03] <imbrandon> well actualy 2 hour then 3 hour
[07:03] <imbrandon> connect in denver
[07:03] <imbrandon> thats a good thing for the plane , catch up on email
[07:03] <imbrandon> :)
[07:04] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I have a 5 hr drive :/
[07:05] <LaserJock> 2 hr drive and then 3, that's weird
[07:05] <imbrandon> yea driving sucks, 5 hours isnt toooo bad though
[07:05] <imbrandon> haha
[07:05] <imbrandon> when i drive from nasville tn to reno nv, it was a nightmare
[07:05] <imbrandon> never again
[07:05] <LaserJock> yucky
[07:05] <LaserJock> we drive up to Montana every Christmas
[07:05] <imbrandon> me , my wife ( 7 months pregnate ) and a 1 year old son from nashville to reno in a rider
[07:06] <LaserJock> 1000 miles
[07:06] <imbrandon> never ever ever again
[07:06] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:06] <imbrandon> 2100 for nashville --> reno
[07:06] <LaserJock> yeah, that's nasty
[07:06] <imbrandon> we stoped in stl , kc, lincon, and saltlake
[07:07] <imbrandon> well stoped for the night, we stoped lots of places
[07:08] <LaserJock> heh
[07:08] <LaserJock> we do it in one day when we go to MT
[07:08] <LaserJock> but we don't have kids, just a cat
[07:08] <imbrandon> heh
[07:08] <imbrandon> yea that helps , plus a car rides alot better than a rider truck
[07:08] <LaserJock> argh, I'm going to tear out my hair (not that I have much left anymore)
[07:09] <LaserJock> this Fortran thing is killing me
[07:09] <imbrandon> heh
[07:09] <imbrandon> my dad programed in frotran and cobal for years
[07:09] <imbrandon> fortran*
[07:10] <imbrandon> on mainframes though mostly
[07:10] <imbrandon> and ibm 360's and the like
[07:10] <ajmitch> I have to code in php
[07:11] <imbrandon> heh my last non contact job was php coding , i actualy like php
[07:11] <imbrandon> contract* gah
[07:12] <imbrandon> from 2000 to 2005 or so
[07:12] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: I trump you. I have tcl code
[07:12] <ajmitch> ouch
[07:12] <imbrandon> for prudential real estate
[07:12] <ajmitch> how do you sleep at night?
[07:13] <imbrandon> but now they use Yahoo! and got rid of all us in-house guys :(
[07:15] <imbrandon> ahh back to sane sizes , yay \o/
[07:15] <imbrandon>  /dev/sdb1               60G   3.6G    53G   7% /media/devel
[07:16] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[07:17] <Fujitsu> Aha. BIND decided it wasn't going to handle requests for a domain, because it had a journal that was bad. How nice of it.
[07:18] <imbrandon> heh
[07:18] <Fujitsu> It wouldn't want to actually log that anywhere, of course.
[07:22] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: was it you who made that gnash deb?
[07:22] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, yea
[07:22] <imbrandon> when feisty opens i'm going to upload it there but i have it now if you wanna try ti
[07:22] <Burgundavia> no, I have it
[07:22] <Burgundavia> I have removed it, but I moved the .so by hand
[07:23] <Burgundavia> and now I can't find it
[07:23] <imbrandon> ahh yea with the first one i made you ahde to do that, it should be in /var/lib/firefox iirc
[07:23] <imbrandon> err
[07:25] <imbrandon> in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[07:25] <imbrandon> is where is should be
[07:25] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, ^
[07:27] <Burgundavia> right
[07:28] <imbrandon> if you want a newer svn snapshot and a deb that put stuff in the right place http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/gnash-0610301925/gnash_0.7.1+svn20061030-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[07:28] <imbrandon> ( source is there too if your on ppc /amd64 )
[07:29] <imbrandon> btw ajmitch you ever have time to eyeball that ? or crimsun ? i would like to get an opinion or two on it before feisty opens
[07:29] <imbrandon> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3367
[07:33] <imbrandon> oh wow never mind, someone packaged it in debian too since edgy
[07:34] <Fujitsu> GOES!
[07:34] <imbrandon> bah
[07:35] <imbrandon> ajmitch, can you nuke my gnash upload then please on tiber ( or tell me howto )
[07:57] <surimi> hi
[07:58] <surimi> I try to install Kino but I have this message error "Depend: libraw1394-8  but it is not installable". On Dapper. In fact the paquet's name is : <IP_ADDRESS>vIubuntu (dapper). Is it a bad backport from Edgy?
[07:58] <surimi> How can I repear the dependancies and install it on Dapper?
[07:58] <crimsun> !info libraw1394-8
[07:58] <ubotu> libraw1394-8: library for direct access to IEEE 1394 bus (aka FireWire). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 68 kB
[07:58] <crimsun> !info libraw1394-8 dapper
[07:58] <ubotu> Package libraw1394-8 does not exist in dapper
[07:58] <crimsun> !info kino dapper
[07:58] <ubotu> kino: Non-linear editor for Digital Video data. In component main, is extra. Version 0.80-1ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 1071 kB, installed size 3616 kB
[08:02] <imbrandon> anyone looked into what this Novel and MS thing really means ?
[08:03] <ajmitch> we won't know for awhile
[08:05] <surimi> crimsun, I understand know, my sources.list should contain a incomplet deposit
[08:05] <surimi> * now
[08:06] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: can't really be sure
[08:06] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: I would read what luis villa posted, plus the link to the matt asays post
[08:06] <Burgundavia> both are very clueful
[08:06] <surimi> crimsun, perhaps can we have a backport to Dapper?
[08:06] <dholbach> surimi: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/i386/kino/0.80-1ubuntu7 is the version in dapper
[08:06] <dholbach> and it depends on libraw1394-5
[08:07] <dholbach> <IP_ADDRESS>vIubuntu is not even in ubuntu yet
[08:08] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, yea i read what luis posted not matt yet? matt whom ?
[08:08] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: luis links to it
[08:08] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[08:09] <imbrandon> i read the pr release from novell it reall just said runing virtualized os , that just seems like xen to me but i have a feeling its something more
[08:09] <surimi> dholbach, so no backport is possible?
[08:09] <dholbach> surimi: you seem to refer to a version that is not in Ubuntu yet (at all)
[08:10] <dholbach> so I'm not sure where you have it from
[08:10] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: the general issue seems to revolve around patents. Novell could end up in a world of pain
[08:10] <surimi> I edit my sources.list
[08:11] <imbrandon> yea
[08:13] <imbrandon> the one and only good i see about this is the few that havent heard about linux this will now get it on their toungs
[08:14] <jsgotangco> amen
[08:14] <Burgundavia> this can actually hurt us (non-Novell people)
[08:14] <surimi> dholbach, http://pastebin.ca/235460
[08:14] <imbrandon> hahah Burgundavia have you seen the lkml post from markey that jdub linked to ?
[08:14] <Burgundavia> people assume this need to buy "legit Linux"
[08:15] <imbrandon> quote : "It's official. Microsoft and Novell will now fork Linux."
[08:15] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: not yet
[08:15] <imbrandon> man i'm glad to be honest i moved from suse to ubuntu when i did now
[08:15] <dholbach> surimi: you have an awful lot of unofficial repositories
[08:15] <jsgotangco> yes your soul is saved!
[08:16] <dholbach> surimi: you need talk to their respective owners
[08:16] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, yea i have a strange feeling it will hurt the pure gpl stuff in the short and long term
[08:16] <dholbach> surimi: apt-cache policy kino         might help finding who's reponsible for the alternate version of kino
[08:16] <imbrandon> probably honestly the AD stuff first, so we need to get acting soon
[08:17] <surimi> dholbach, ok I see, thanks for all the commands
[08:17] <imbrandon> as that will probably be one of the first things they will make work "right" and it will be non-gpl i'm guessing
[08:18] <imbrandon> i knew this day would come sometime, i just dident expect it this soon or from novel
[08:18] <Burgundavia> they already have edirectory
[08:18] <Burgundavia> it is closed source
[08:18] <Burgundavia> nothing has changed on that front
[08:18] <imbrandon> ahh
[08:18] <Burgundavia> edirectory is from their netware days. it predates AD
[08:19] <imbrandon> i honestly figured redhat would do something close to this before novel , but novel is an old world company so i guess it makes sense
[08:19] <surimi> 3v1n0.tuxfamily.org is guilty :p
[08:19] <Burgundavia> red hat doesn
[08:19] <Burgundavia> t need MS
[08:19] <Burgundavia> read what Matt Asay said
[08:19] <imbrandon> ahh surimi the beryl sources.list
[08:19] <imbrandon> it bites again
[08:20] <surimi> the best is to comment the line?
[08:20] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, got a direct link ?
[08:20] <whiprush> http://asay.blogspot.com/2006/11/microsoft-and-novell-much-ado-about.html
[08:20] <imbrandon> surimi, imho its best not to use repos from untrust worthy places, and nothing against the beryl guys but to me that dosent fall into the "trusted" sources
[08:20] <imbrandon> for me
[08:21] <imbrandon> as they have non-beryl stuff in the same repo
[08:21] <imbrandon> as you just noticed
[08:21] <imbrandon> whiprush, thanks
[08:22] <ajmitch> hello whiprush
[08:22] <whiprush> hi guys
[08:22] <surimi> ok it's the best I can do
[08:22] <Burgundavia> hey whiprush
[08:28] <imbrandon> ajmitch, whom did you say was flying with you ? mpt and ?
[08:28] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee
[08:28] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[08:32] <Hobbsee> hi Burgundavia, imbrandon
[08:32] <ajmitch> imbrandon: infinity is on the same flight
[08:32] <ajmitch> good evening miss hobbs
[08:32] <ajmitch> how are you?
[08:32] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[08:33] <Burgundavia> http://lwn.net/Articles/207438/ <-- rofl
[08:33] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: good.  i now own two laptops :)
[08:33] <ajmitch> oh?
[08:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, nice
[08:34] <imbrandon> you finaly load the dualcore with kubuntu :)
[08:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: not yet.  i'm about to
[08:35] <imbrandon> heh me too
[08:35] <StevenK> Me three.
[08:36] <imbrandon> 800mhz ppc , with 640mb ram, and a 30gig hdd, but it gets the job done for what i need
[08:36] <imbrandon> the only thing i even remotely dont like about it is no mic or mic jack, but thats really no big deal
[08:37] <imbrandon> i could probably get a usb headset if i really wanted
[08:38] <imbrandon> other than that it suits me just fine, just not a speed demon but is a work horse when i make it
[08:38] <imbrandon> :)
[08:39] <imbrandon> heh get on a US schedule ?
[08:39] <ajmitch> nah
[08:39] <imbrandon> i bet that will bite some people
[08:39] <ajmitch> so that I can catch the bus
[08:39] <ajmitch> only 3 hours difference for me
[08:40] <imbrandon> its -2 for me, not that big of a deal
[08:40] <imbrandon> err maybe -3 ? /me looks
[08:40] <imbrandon> no -2
[08:42] <imbrandon> looks to be 6 of us at the airport ajmitch, lifeless is on elk's flight
[08:43] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yes, I told her that :)
[08:43] <imbrandon> ahh :)
[08:43] <ajmitch> depends if he wants to wait at the airport or not
[08:44] <imbrandon> yea
[08:45] <ajmitch> and every time I try to write packing, I end up writing packaging
[08:45] <imbrandon> heh i started about 2 hours ago
[08:45] <imbrandon> LOL
[08:45] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, :(
[08:46] <elkbuntu> havent asked him yet, he's gone to dinner
[08:47] <imbrandon> kwwii's renting a car too when he gets there but it wont be till sat evening
[08:48] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: that is annoying
[08:49] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: very annoying
[08:49] <ajmitch> hm, looks like it'll be almost the same weather there as in dunedin today
[08:51] <imbrandon> i just hope its warmer than here
[08:51] <imbrandon> i'm fskin freezing
[08:51] <TheMuso> Burgundavia: I feel your pain.
[08:51] <ajmitch> ~20C for the next few days
[08:52] <Burgundavia> TheMuso: not going either?
[08:52] <LaserJock> imbrandon: 100F > 32F ;-)
[08:52] <TheMuso> Burgundavia: No, unfortunately.
[08:52] <imbrandon> LaserJock, haha
[08:52] <Burgundavia> 70 F == 20 C
[08:52] <imbrandon> nice
[08:52] <imbrandon> 70 is good
[08:53] <imbrandon> 30's and 40's here isnt
[08:53] <Burgundavia> anybody else having issues with sound with the totem plugin?
[08:54] <imbrandon> e.g. 0 to 4 C
[08:54] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, i dont use it much but yesterday when i was i dident
[08:54] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: looks like it might jsut be .mov
[08:55] <imbrandon> i cant fire the amd64 up right now ( the only thing with pure ubuntu on it ) or i would check again but i dont rember any issues
[08:55] <imbrandon> but then again i dont think i was watching mov's they were mpeg
[08:57] <Burgundavia> ok, gstreamer test media works
[09:08] <LaserJock> darn, it's midnight and I still haven't figured this stupid thing out
[09:09] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:09] <jsgotangco> take a break
[09:13] <LaserJock> it reads in the parameters, and then it asks me for them
[09:13] <LaserJock> I don't get it
[09:15] <ajmitch> imbrandon: so I take it we're meeting in the BART station at the airport?
[09:15] <imbrandon> yea
[09:16] <imbrandon> the one on level 3 , not the garage
[09:16] <imbrandon> ( just so we're at the same entance )
[09:16] <ajmitch> right, so at the entrance
[09:16] <ajmitch> makes sense :)
[09:16] <ajmitch> I guess I should wear an ubuntu shirt or something
[09:16] <imbrandon> heh i have no ubuntu t-shirt
[09:17] <jsgotangco> wohooo
[09:17] <imbrandon> but i'll have my green baseball cap on that saus turkey :)
[09:17] <imbrandon> says*
[09:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: is easy to find, anyway
[09:18] <StevenK> Just look for someone tall carrying a sheep.
[09:18] <ajmitch> sure I am :P
[09:18] <imbrandon> LOL
[09:18] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[09:18] <ajmitch> haha
[09:19] <imbrandon> ugh Seveas you awake yet ?
[09:19] <imbrandon> i found a falcon bug / problem / something
[09:20] <ajmitch> http://www.flickr.com/photos/magicfab/58053224/
[09:20] <ajmitch> found a photo
[09:20] <StevenK> Who's the charmer next to you?
[09:20] <imbrandon> right or left ?
[09:20] <imbrandon> heh
[09:21] <StevenK> imbrandon: Right.
[09:21] <ajmitch> phython sticking his tongue out..
[09:21] <imbrandon> kk
[09:21] <ajmitch> I wonder if he'll be there, I think he works at the googleplex
[09:21] <imbrandon> i think i've shown you this before but here is me http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/all.gif
[09:22] <ajmitch> yeah I've seen your happy face
[09:22] <imbrandon> lol
[09:22] <jsgotangco> hah
[09:22] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: wow so you're actually going
[09:22] <ajmitch> yes
[09:23] <LaserJock> I don't think there is a decent pic of me anywhere on the internet
[09:23] <Hobbsee> am i crazy, or does gnumeric not do .ods?
[09:23] <Hobbsee> ie, saving to it
[09:23] <ajmitch> LaserJock: not yet :)
[09:23] <Seveas> imbrandon, malone is always awake for that
[09:23] <LaserJock> ajmitch: it's a good thing
[09:23] <StevenK> Hobbsee: You're probably crazy.
[09:23] <ajmitch> LaserJock: just wait
[09:24] <imbrandon> Seveas, well its only about recompiling the html templates for the new chetah or something
[09:24] <Hobbsee> hah
[09:24] <imbrandon> Seveas, AssertionError: This template was compiled with Cheetah version 0.9.16. Templates compiled before version 2.0rc6 must be recompiled.
[09:24] <Seveas> imbrandon, known
[09:24] <imbrandon> ahh can i fix localy ?
[09:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I really have to make sure I pack my camera
[09:24] <Seveas> imbrandon, sudo chetah-compile /usr/share/falcon/orange.tmpl
[09:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: me too :/
[09:24] <imbrandon> Seveas, rocking man , thanks
[09:25] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea i dont have a digital camera anymore, mine died last week
[09:25] <imbrandon> :(
[09:25] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: lock your laptop :)
[09:26] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: put a chain on your wallet :)
[09:26] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I'll leave everything at home
[09:26] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: yeah, I need to try & pickup a lock for it
[09:26] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: actually better yet, my wife's coming so I can give everything to her
[09:27] <imbrandon> hrm no chetah-compile command, you know what package its in ?
[09:27] <imbrandon> Seveas, ^
[09:27] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:27] <Seveas> sorry, it's cheetah-compile
[09:27] <imbrandon> LaserJock, lol
[09:28] <Seveas> not chetah-compile ;)
[09:28] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:28] <imbrandon> yea i'm gonna try to make a template that matches my site today to kill some time
[09:31] <LaserJock> ok, maybe it's time to give up on this program
[09:31] <LaserJock> I'll ask one of my labmates in the morning
[09:31] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:32] <LaserJock> I'm supposed to present the data I fit with it tomorrow at 10:00am
[09:32] <crimsun> on Saturday?
[09:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: make the data fit the results?
[09:32] <imbrandon> ouch
[09:33] <LaserJock> crimsun: well, technically it's today at 10:00am
[09:33] <crimsun> I have an 0930 for which I'm supposed to prep, but of course I'm squashing Ubuntu bugs instead
[09:33] <LaserJock> crimsun: yes, I'm also supposed to write a departmental colloquia presentation for tomorrow too
[09:34] <crimsun> too much time spent staring at OS X ;)
[09:34] <LaserJock> but this stupid Fortran program is causing me problems
[09:34] <StevenK>  1 file changed, 114 insertions(+), 107 deletions(-)
[09:34] <LaserJock> I haven't started OS X for probably a week
[09:34] <StevenK> Thanks, Glade, I love you.
[09:34] <LaserJock> all Edgy, all the time
[09:34] <crimsun> workaround listed on xubuntu.org
[09:34] <imbrandon> he finaly got ubuntu at work :)
[09:35] <crimsun> -ECHANNEL
[09:35] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:35] <LaserJock> I was noticing today in top that processes were getting 109% CPU
[09:36] <LaserJock> that seems odd to me
[09:36] <imbrandon> dual core ?
[09:36] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:36] <imbrandon> heh
[09:36] <ajmitch> crimsun: yes, it's far too on-topic for us here
[09:36] <LaserJock> so I had 2 processes with 99% each
[09:36] <LaserJock> then 1 died
[09:36] <LaserJock> and the other one then said 109%
[09:37] <imbrandon> heh
[09:37] <ajmitch> how special
[09:47] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, imbrandon sooo... who's confirmed for the train?
[09:48] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: assuming I find you all, me :)
[09:51] <imbrandon> elkbuntu, me you and ajmitch ( possibly mtp and infinity and lifeless depending on what they say )
[09:51] <ajmitch> infinity probably won't
[10:19] <surimi> !info basket
[10:19] <ubotu> basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[10:20] <surimi> http://basket.kde.org/ <----- so nice, a KDE application...
[10:22] <surimi> we are far to Gnome's Tomboy...
[10:25] <Burgundavia> surimi: far to?
[10:25] <surimi> far from ? :)
[10:26] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:26] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:26] <ivoks> i don't find tomboy usefull
[10:26] <surimi> sudo alien -d surimi :p
[10:26] <imbrandon> knotes does everything i need
[10:29] <Burgundavia> ivoks: took me awhile to integrate it into my workflow
[10:29] <Burgundavia> then it clicked
[10:30] <ivoks> heh
[10:30] <ajmitch> StevenK: ?
[10:30] <Burgundavia> deskbar and beagle are my next targets
[10:34] <LaserJock> sbalnev apparently wrote a deskbar plugin that searches apt-cache
[10:34] <LaserJock> I think that would single handedly convert me
[10:34] <ivoks> :)
[10:34] <ivoks> i agree
[10:43] <surimi> someone can do the deb for Basket, please ? It exist yet for Fedora Core 6
[10:44] <surimi> the sources are here http://basket.kde.org/screenshots.php
[10:45] <surimi> oh it exist yet http://basket.kde.org/download.php oO
[10:45] <LaserJock> surimi: check on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[10:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: already in universe, just needs updated in debian & synced
[10:46] <LaserJock> oh
[10:46] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, ajmitch, lifeless is in for the train :)
[10:46] <ajmitch> ok
[10:47] <elkbuntu> any word from the other two?
[10:48] <ajmitch> infinity said he probably won't
[10:48] <elkbuntu> and no word from mpt?
[10:49] <LaserJock> mpt was talking in #launchpad < 30 min ago
[10:50] <surimi> mr_pouit, tu peux m'expliquer les tapes de la validation d'un deb pour qu'il passe dans Universe ?
[10:51] <surimi> LaserJock, le deb existe dj ici http://basket.kde.org/download.php
[10:52] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: mpt is in
[10:52] <elkbuntu> cool
[10:53] <imbrandon> cool
[10:53] <ajmitch> excellent, so the kiwis should outnumber everyone
[10:53] <imbrandon> LOL
[10:53] <elkbuntu> damn!
[10:53] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I sure hope not
[10:54] <elkbuntu> LaserJock, for the train ride, they will be
[10:54] <LaserJock> I don't think the vegamite revolution should come to Mt. View ;-)
[10:54] <imbrandon> lol
[10:54] <LaserJock> or is that vegemite?
[10:54] <ajmitch> vegemite
[10:54] <elkbuntu> LaserJock, you're lucky, they banned it
[10:54] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: all lies
[10:54] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, they unbanned it?
[10:54] <ajmitch> if it was even banned in the first place...
[10:55] <ajmitch> there were some clarifications issued..
[10:55] <lifeless> gels/liquids were not banned on checked in luggage
[10:55] <lifeless> only on cabin, and for cabins they are now allowed in controlled amounts
[10:55] <ajmitch> in very very small amounts, I was told by the travel agent
[10:55] <elkbuntu> yeah. no individual amount to exceed 90ml, and to be carried in a ziplock bag that cannot hold any more than a litre
[10:56] <imbrandon> yea you can only have liquids in checked luggage, not even stuff like large toothpaste etc, all checked
[10:56] <ajmitch> crazy
[10:56] <lifeless> imbrandon: you can have more than liquids in checked luggage :)
[10:56] <imbrandon> right
[10:56] <imbrandon> i mean carry on
[10:57] <imbrandon> you cant
[11:00] <LaserJock> yeah, that's too bad. I've never checked luggage before
[11:01] <LaserJock> always stuffed everything in a tiny suitcase for carryon
[11:02] <elkbuntu> you guys know if i'd be able to get on board with laptop bag and handbag?
[11:02] <lifeless> http://www.unitedairlines.com.au/qenglish/TSA/index.html?navSource=UnitedNews&linkTitle=TSA&pos=1
[11:02] <imbrandon> should, i'm taking my alppy carry on
[11:02] <elkbuntu> i called the airline, but got some guy with a thick accent from i dont know where, so i got no idea what i was told :|
[11:05] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: flying which airline?
[11:05] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: should be ok
[11:05] <elkbuntu> United Airlines
[11:05] <Burgundavia> no problem
[11:05] <Burgundavia> just don't take excessive hand luggage
[11:05] <Burgundavia> one small bag and your laptop bag is good
[11:06] <LaserJock> oh man, last time I flew. there was this older couple that had these like full size suit cases
[11:06] <Burgundavia> however, expect to take your laptop out at security
[11:06] <Burgundavia> so plan for that
[11:06] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I have no idea how they get away with that
[11:06] <elkbuntu> ok i can live with that
[11:07] <StevenK> The last time I flew I was asked to boot my laptop.
[11:07] <elkbuntu> i'll just get it out and put volume up as high as it can go so the airport echos with ubuntu :D
[11:07] <ajmitch> StevenK: really? I never have had that
[11:07] <Burgundavia> I have had them swipe it
[11:07] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yeah, they were just standing there stuffing and stuffing. took up at least twice as much as there were supposed to
[11:07] <ajmitch> StevenK: should I show off beryl to them if they ask? ;)
[11:07] <Burgundavia> for explosives, that is
[11:07] <StevenK> ajmitch: It only happened once, at Singapore Airport.
[11:07] <StevenK> ajmitch: Heh. :-)
[11:07] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: right, I've had the explosive residue check once
[11:08] <Burgundavia> canadian security seems to do that a lot more
[11:08] <ajmitch> yeah, I think it was in canada
[11:08] <ajmitch> can't recall
[11:08] <ajmitch> too many airports
[11:13] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: why are you still up?
[11:14] <LaserJock> got too much to do before leaving
[11:14] <lifeless> ajmitch: so where are we meeting ?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: you could also say "I could ask the same of you"
[11:15] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: of course, but I figured a single guy like you wouldn't have anything better to do then stay up until the AM playing with computers ;-)
[11:16] <Burgundavia> touche
[11:16] <LaserJock> I have a curfew ;-)
[11:16] <elkbuntu> lol
[11:16] <Burgundavia> ah, yes, the non-single life
[11:17] <ajmitch> lifeless: SFO BART station entrance, level 3
[11:18] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, i think imbrandon is going to wait for us and we go up together
[11:19] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: as I understand it
[11:19] <lifeless> ajmitch: what time are we meeting ?
[11:20] <ajmitch> my flight gets in at 11:15, when's yours?
[11:20] <elkbuntu> 9:42
[11:20] <ajmitch> quite a wait
[11:20] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, is 10:??
[11:21] <elkbuntu> i've written down both flight numbers
[11:21] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, is mpt on your flight?
[11:21] <imbrandon> 10:10 is the exact time
[11:21] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: yes
[11:21] <imbrandon> i say it will be about 10:30 by the time i get off the plane etc
[11:22] <lifeless> lvl 3 of the BART, or lvl3 of the airport ?
[11:22] <imbrandon> the BART entrance is on lvl 3
[11:22] <imbrandon> of the airport
[11:27] <LaserJock> ok, I think I've had enough
[11:27] <LaserJock> good night people
[11:27] <imbrandon> night LaserJock
[11:38] <elkbuntu> well im off now, see you guys there :)
[11:38] <imbrandon> cya :)
[11:40] <ajmitch> I suppose it's about time to sleep
[11:41] <ajmitch> once I grab some stuff off the laptop
[11:41] <imbrandon> yea same here, i think its time for a nap then i'll finish packing
[11:41] <ajmitch> suitcase is barely half full
[11:41] <imbrandon> welp if i dont catch you on irc before you leave lifeless / ajmitch , have a safe flight
[11:41] <ajmitch> you too
[11:42] <StevenK> Oh that's right, imbrandon has to get up at like 3am
[11:42] <imbrandon> yea me too probably but who knows heh
[11:42] <imbrandon> yea
[11:42] <imbrandon> i have to be at the airport at 4am and its an hour and 15 minutes drive from here
[11:42] <imbrandon> heh
[11:43] <imbrandon> so about exactly ~24 hours for me
[11:43] <imbrandon> err 22
[11:43] <imbrandon> oh well, off to sleep i go, later yall
[11:45] <ajmitch> it's really funny how plugging in my phone into my laptop, rhythmbox starts, and it appears as something like an ipod
[11:45] <imbrandon> lol
[11:45] <ajmitch> only has 64MB mini-SD card, so not really that useful
[11:46] <imbrandon> your phone has an SD card?
[11:47] <luisbg> ajmitch, cool
[11:48] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:50] <imbrandon> hrm StevenK your on a amd64 right ?
[11:50] <StevenK> Yup.
[11:51] <imbrandon> mind compiling something in pbuilder for me read fast? its small , i just need the deb's
[11:51] <StevenK> Nope. Fire away.
[11:51] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/dists/edgy/gnash/
[11:51] <imbrandon> dsc is there ^^
[11:51] <imbrandon> one source package , makes like 4 debs
[11:52] <DarkMageZ> imbrandon, how far has gnash gotten in the last month?
[11:52] <imbrandon> i have i386 and powerpc but i wanna put amd64 debs up too before i goto bed
[11:52] <imbrandon> DarkMageZ, its useable, not the greatest but useable
[11:52] <StevenK> imbrandon: *nods*
[11:52] <imbrandon> DarkMageZ, if your on i386 or powerpc you can grab the debs from that same url to try it if you like
[11:53] <DarkMageZ> sounds like it's making progress
[11:53] <imbrandon> StevenK, thanks man
[11:53] <StevenK> :-P
[11:53] <imbrandon> heh
[11:54] <ajmitch> StevenK: he'll never learn the Queen's English
[11:54] <StevenK> ajmitch: Indeed.
[11:54] <StevenK> imbrandon: Building.
[11:54] <StevenK> QUILT?! You bastard!
[11:54] <imbrandon> rockin, it builds in aobut 10 minutes here ( including the dep stuff )
[11:54] <ajmitch> crap
[11:55] <imbrandon> hey i dident do it, thats from debian
[11:55] <ajmitch> reminder, never run baobab on a large filesystem with little RAM free
[11:55] <StevenK> Heh
[11:55] <imbrandon> i had it packaged way way diffrent till i syncd with them
[11:55] <lifeless> baobab needs tuning
[11:55] <StevenK> I note the Build-Depends are huge.
[11:56] <imbrandon> yea it really only needs very few if you only make the firefox plugin
[11:56] <imbrandon> but all that other stuff ;(
[11:56] <imbrandon> my package only made the firefox plugin, but then someone beat me to it in debian so i figured might as well sync it
[11:57] <imbrandon> and it makes the koqui plugin the standalone player and soemthing else
[11:57] <imbrandon> plus the firefox plugin
[11:57] <StevenK>  -> Considering  libgstreamer0.10-dev | libgstreamer0.8-dev
[11:57] <StevenK>  -> Considering  libgstreamer0.10-dev
[11:57] <DarkMageZ> it's not imbrandon's fault. that's debian as well
[11:57] <StevenK> Neat.
[11:58] <DarkMageZ> i remember bringing those same debian packages to edgy
[11:58] <StevenK> Fetched 44.3MB in 5s (7751kB/s)
[11:58] <StevenK> Yummy.
[11:58] <imbrandon> here was __MY__ build depends before i grabbed debian's
[11:58] <imbrandon> Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5.0.0), libgtkglext1-dev, libboost-dev, libgstreamer0.10-dev, libgl1-mesa-dev, libpng12-dev, libjpeg62-dev, libmad0-dev
[11:59] <imbrandon> tons better
[11:59] <StevenK> Agreed, but I'm still going to shoot you. :-P
[11:59] <DarkMageZ> i wish i could get even 1000kB/s
[11:59] <imbrandon> heh
[12:00] <imbrandon> the one nice thing it runs out of process so if it does crash it dont take the browser with it
[12:00] <imbrandon> unlike the "real" flash
[12:06] <luisbg> ajmitch, why don't you put a bigger sd card in your phone? can your phone play music with earphones?
[12:14] <ajmitch> luisbg: because it came with this one, and I haven't had a need
[12:15] <luisbg> ajmitch, if you have an ipod, it makes no sense
[12:17] <ajmitch> no, I don't
[12:20] <imbrandon_> wow i just noticed a ton of stuff come accross -changes, wont be long now
[12:21] <StevenK> imbrandon: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/gnash/
[12:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon_: ABI rebuild
[12:22] <imbrandon_> StevenK: you rock thanks ( grabbing now )
[12:22] <imbrandon_> ajmitch:  yea i seen
[12:22] <lastnode> imbrandon, we're rolling in some final bugfixes. debs should be ready to go by Monday
[12:22] <lastnode> UDS is 5th november, yes?
[12:22] <imbrandon_> lastnode: yes
[12:23] <lastnode> wait, ill get it done by Saturday (tomorrow, for me)
[12:24] <lastnode> imbrandon_, http://upstreamdev.org/wiki/Releases/0.1.0 <-- has *almost ready* .debs btw, in case you didn't get the link
[12:24] <imbrandon_> lastnode: yes i got them and have them in my repo
[12:24] <lastnode> imbrandon_, awesome. ill ping when the final ones are out.
[12:26] <luisbg> can someone confirm me python-qt4 has unmet dependencies?
[12:27] <StevenK> luisbg: On Edgy? No, it installs fine.
[12:27] <luisbg> StevenK, on feisty?
[12:27] <luisbg> python-sip4 is giving me problems
[12:27] <StevenK> I wouldn't even attempt it at this point.
[12:28] <StevenK> Wait until feisty is unfrozen.
[12:28] <luisbg> ok
[12:28] <lastnode> imbrandon_, pm?
[12:29] <imbrandon_> sure, do it on this name though i'm heaed to sleep soon :)
[12:33] <luisbg> StevenK, when a dirty unmet dep is  in apt's way and doesn't want to install anything else... how can I fix it?
[12:34] <imbrandon_> dpkg --configure -a
[12:34] <imbrandon_> sudo ^
[12:35] <luisbg> imbrandon, thanks! =)
[12:35] <luisbg> nope... still broken
[12:35] <Hobbsee> you have to fix the dep first, or uninstall the package, usually
[12:36] <imbrandon_> yea what Hobbsee  said ^ i assumed you did that
[12:37] <ajmitch> night
[12:37] <StevenK> No problem.
[12:37] <TheMuso> Hey all. Do any of you think its really worth going for Debian dev, and having to go through a year's worth of stuff just to do so?
[12:38] <imbrandon_> btw thanks to StevenK there is amd64 gnash now in my repo is you wanna give it a spin
[12:38] <imbrandon_> TheMuso: i planned on it "someday"
[12:38] <luisbg> Hobbsee, uninstall with apt-get remove or what?
[12:39] <TheMuso> StevenK: You were just lucky.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> luisbg: yes
[12:39] <luisbg> it says it isn't installed
[12:43] <Mez> what command can i use to concetenate 2 diffs?
[12:45] <geser> cat
[12:47] <Mez> combinediff ;)
[01:03] <fernando> morning all
[01:08] <SlimG> is it possible to create a source package with checkinstall?
[01:10] <TheMuso> SlimG: Not that I know of.
[01:10] <TheMuso> As it is, checkinstall is frowned upon here.
[01:11] <TheMuso> I don't have the URL handy, but if you wish to learn to package, I suggest reading the Ubuntu packaging guide.
[01:12] <SlimG> TheMuso: thanx, i'm practicing to howto package, i using checkinstall to understand how stuff works
[01:12] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:12] <TheMuso> It might be better to look at a source package.
[01:12] <SlimG> TheMuso: what's the final command for creating a *.deb the right way?
[01:13] <TheMuso> Then you learn how stuff works, and learn how Ubuntu/Debian packaging works.
[01:13] <fernando> SlimG: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/
[01:13] <TheMuso> Usually something like debuild or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot.
[01:13] <TheMuso> Make sure you have fakeroot installed.
[01:13] <TheMuso> But most of us use pbuilder.
[01:14] <bhale> pbuilder should be required
[01:15] <SlimG> TheMuso: thanx for the help, i'm one step further now, evolution here i come :)
[01:15] <TheMuso> evolution?
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[03:32] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:10] <joejaxx> good morning motus :D
[04:10] <lophyte> hey joejaxx
[04:11] <joejaxx> hello lophyte
[04:11] <lophyte> how's it going?
[04:11] <joejaxx> it is going well
[04:11] <luisbg> hey
[04:11] <joejaxx> luisbg: you are here too? lol
[04:11] <luisbg> shouldn't I?
[04:11] <joejaxx> :)
[04:11] <luisbg> ;)
[04:11] <luisbg> joejaxx, I've got a problem
[04:12] <joejaxx> luisbg: what is that?
[04:12] <luisbg> let me recreate it
[04:13] <luisbg> when I do apt-get -f install ... python-sip4 doesn't want to install
[04:13] <luisbg> dpkg: error al procesar /var/cache/apt/archives/python-sip4_4.4.5-2ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[04:13] <luisbg>  intentando sobreescribir `/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sipconfig.py', que est tambin en el paquete python2.4-sip-qt3
[04:14] <joejaxx> hmm interesting
[04:15] <joejaxx> luisbg: edgy?
[04:15] <joejaxx> or dapper?
[04:15] <luisbg> edgy
[04:16] <luisbg> actually when the problem started I was usings feisty's main :S
[04:16] <luisbg> but changed it to edgy
[04:16] <joejaxx> lol
[04:19] <luisbg> any way to fix it?
[04:19] <luisbg> need apt
[04:21] <joejaxx> well it says that the file is in python-sip4 is also in python2.4-sip-qt3 right?
[04:23] <joejaxx> you in #u-s too :P
[04:23] <luisbg> yes
 well it says that the file is in python-sip4 is also in python2.4-sip-qt3 right? <--- YES
[04:27] <joejaxx> luisbg: lol i am talking to you in two channels :P
[04:27] <luisbg> joejaxx, it's getting confusing LOL
[04:27] <joejaxx> yes it is
[04:31] <joejaxx> luisbg: remove the qt package
[04:31] <luisbg> python-qt4: Depende: python-sip4 (>= 4.4.5) pero no va a instalarse
[04:31] <luisbg>               Depende: python-sip4 (< 4.5) pero no va a instalarse
[04:31] <luisbg>   python-sip-qt3: Depende: python2.4-sip-qt3 (>= 3.10.2-1.1ubuntu1) pero no va a instalarse
[04:32] <luisbg> after I did sudo apt-ger remove python2.4-sip-qt3
[04:32] <joejaxx> :\
[04:32] <luisbg> any apt-get I do... shouts that
[04:32] <luisbg> which is ironic because I need apt-get to solve that
[04:33] <joejaxx> luisbg: did you try installing feisty packages?
[04:33] <joejaxx> before?
[04:33] <joejaxx> when you had the feisty repo open?
[04:34] <joejaxx> or did you just change the deb line
[04:34] <joejaxx> and nothing else
[04:34] <luisbg> I had been using the feisty main for like two days
[04:35] <luisbg> I changed the apt sources
[04:35] <joejaxx> and you are switching back?
[04:35] <joejaxx> :(
[04:35] <luisbg> because it was recommended to me to go back until is unfrozen
[04:36] <joejaxx> did they tell you what to do with already installed feisty packages?
[04:36] <luisbg> joejaxx, no
[04:37] <bhale> you can pin the distro in apt
[04:38] <luisbg> bhale, pin?
[04:39] <bhale> http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[04:39] <bhale> make the priority of edgy higher than feisty
[04:46] <luisbg> bhale, did, let's check the apt-get -f install
[04:52] <luisbg> bhale, still same problem after pining
[04:52] <bhale> is there a problem
[04:52] <bhale> or you want to be forced down to edgy?
[04:53] <luisbg> I just want to resolve the dep problem of my apt to be able to use it
[04:53] <luisbg> preferebly in edgy
[05:25] <luisbg> can someone confirm me that in package python-qt4 of edgy it really says...
[05:26] <luisbg> package depends... "python-sip4 (>= 4.4.5), python-sip4 (<< 4.5)"
[05:26] <luisbg> just apt-get source downloaded it and can't believe it
[05:26] <luisbg> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/python/python-qt4 ----> the same
[05:27] <luisbg> is "<<" the same as "<"?
[05:34] <fernando> can I to build a package with debian directory a symlink to other directory?
[05:37] <sivang> fernando: AFAIK, yes
[05:38] <fernando> dpkg-source: cannot represent change to debian:
[05:38] <fernando> dpkg-source:  new version is symlink
[05:38] <fernando> dpkg-source:  old version is nonexistent
[06:11] <joejaxx> :D hello everyone
[06:11] <joejaxx> it has been quiet today :\
[06:13] <pradeep> hi joejaxx
[06:13] <joejaxx> hello
[06:14] <zul> i think most people are traveling today
[06:14] <joejaxx> pradeep: today's attempt today is to make a settings package
[06:14] <zul> or starting to do
[06:14] <ajmitch> yep
[06:14] <joejaxx> zul: ah ok
[06:14] <pradeep> joejaxx, settings package?
[06:14] <joejaxx> yes
[06:14] <pradeep> enlighten me please :)
[06:14] <joejaxx> like *-default-settings
[06:15] <joejaxx> or ubuntu-default-settings
[06:15] <joejaxx> i need to create one of those and an artwork package
[06:16] <pradeep> if installed would restore everything to default ? as in CD ?
[06:17] <joejaxx> pradeep: well settings for applications
[06:17] <joejaxx> like for fluxbuntu
[06:18] <joejaxx> the fluxbox menu is setup a certain way
[06:18] <joejaxx> that whould be setup with the fluxbuntu-default-settings package
[06:18] <joejaxx> having the fluxbuntu logo on wdm instead of debian
[06:19] <joejaxx> or having*
[06:20] <joejaxx> pradeep: do you see what i mean?
[06:21] <pradeep> yep, so this would be like a restore thingy if something goes bad with the apps right?
[06:22] <pradeep> joejaxx, that would be helpful
[06:23] <joejaxx> pradeep: well yes i guess if you messed up your fluxbuntu menu you could reinstall the package
[06:25] <joejaxx> pradeep: is stuff like that normal handled by the desktop package?
[06:25] <joejaxx> pradeep: i as told i needed a *-default-settings package
[06:29] <pradeep> joejaxx, sounds a bit new ... I dunno...what apps would you include?
[06:30] <joejaxx> pradeep: it whould just hold the configurations
[06:33] <joejaxx> pradeep: are settings normally handled by the *-desktop package?
[06:33] <joejaxx> pradeep: maybe i was informed incorrectly
[06:34] <joejaxx> bah
[06:36] <pradeep> i think *-desktop is just a meta package ... no settings
[06:36] <pradeep> too late :P
[06:36] <joejaxx> i should stop talk
[06:36] <joejaxx> talking
[08:16] <superm1> is there something similar to REVU for getting things into main/restricted?
[08:17] <luisbg> superm1, ubuntu-dev?
[08:18] <slomo_> superm1: stuff goes to universe/multiverse first and then after writing an main inclusion report and getting it approved it is moved to main
[08:18] <superm1> okay thats what i thought it might be
[08:19] <superm1> what about things with questionable licensing - those "sidestep" cases describe in ubuntu.com/licensing
[08:19] <slomo_> will most probably go to multiverse/restricted then
[08:19] <slomo_> what exactly are you packaging?
[08:20] <superm1> well i am going to get ivtv-firmware packaged up
[08:20] <superm1> and i'm waiting back from hauppauge with written permissions
[08:26] <superm1> slomo_, if hauppauge only provides verbal permissions though, will that be enough?  or do i have to make sure i have it in writing?
[08:31] <imbrandon> superm1, it actualy has to be released in a license that allows redist
[08:31] <imbrandon> not just permission
[08:31] <imbrandon> becouse of derivitives etc
[08:31] <superm1> well i talked with the person hosting it at ivtvdriver.org
[08:31] <superm1> and they said redist is okay
[08:31] <superm1> but they dont have written permissions for it
[08:31] <imbrandon> anyone that gets ubuntu has to have the right to alose redist , or anyone that make a ubuntu based distro must also have that right
[08:32] <superm1> even for restricted stuff?
[08:32] <imbrandon> right but it needs to be totaly clear
[08:32] <superm1> well i talked on the phone today briefly with hauppauge about it.  they are going to get back to me via email
[08:33] <superm1> I sent them a copy of amtel-firmware's copyright file asking for something similar back
[08:36] <superm1> imbrandon, about the exclusivity - what if we get a license allowing ubuntu and derivatives - is that too exclusive still?
[08:41] <imbrandon> superm1, i'm not a laywer but i dont think so except in special cases bartered by canonical ( firefox is the only known case of this becouse its soooo high profile )
[08:41] <imbrandon> sorry i'm in and out, i'm leaving for the airport soonish
[08:42] <imbrandon> so i'm packing last minute etc :)
[08:42] <superm1> oh yea today is off to MTV :)
[08:42] <imbrandon> yup i leave in about 9 hours
[08:42] <imbrandon> :)
[08:42] <superm1> well i'll be in contact with hauppauge the next week.  i'll see if i can settle it with them then
[08:42] <imbrandon> superm1, sweet yea, i would LOVE to see this happen, we just have to be carefull
[08:43] <imbrandon> you know what i mean
[08:43] <superm1> at very worst, ivtv-firmware can wget from ivtv-driver.org
[08:43] <superm1> as a fallback option
[08:43] <Burgwork> superm1: that is what the flashplayer does
[08:43] <superm1> similar to how the flash plugin does
[08:43] <superm1> yea
[08:43] <imbrandon> well i'm thinking we MIGHT be able to setup something like the flashplugin-nonfree in multiverse
[08:43] <imbrandon> right
[08:45] <imbrandon> wb corey
[08:45] <superm1> imbrandon, did you sort out getting that branch together?
[08:45] <Burgwork> bloody sound breaks after 48 hours
[08:46] <imbrandon> superm1, no sorry i dident , i've been so busy with getting my travel stuff clear
[08:46] <imbrandon> i'll try to do so asap
[08:46] <superm1> when you get a moment, if your busy getting travel stuff together, thats a bigger priority
[08:46] <imbrandon> Burgwork, just stops working ? is maybe the palyer your using have a mem leak? just a shot in the dark
[08:47] <Burgwork> imbrandon: not, something todo with dbus and hal
[08:47] <imbrandon> ahh
[08:47] <Burgwork> loses the fact that the player is there
[08:47] <Burgwork> might be our closed source multiseat crap as well
[08:47] <imbrandon> ouch, not good
[08:48] <imbrandon> superm1, yea hosnetly i figure i'll have time to do it this week after hours from the BoF's
[08:49] <imbrandon> at the hotel or something, i think as long as we get it done before we upload new versions feisty we're ok
[08:49] <imbrandon> which will be a few days anyhow
[08:50] <superm1> oh i didnt realize feisty was opening up so soon
[08:51] <imbrandon> yea , the toolchain is almost complete , infact somethings have already been rebuilt
[08:51] <imbrandon> for an ABI change that was made
[08:51] <superm1> did we make a big jump on gcc versions?  I was assuming that we were starting with edgy versions
[08:51] <superm1> and glibc versions
[08:52] <imbrandon> yea https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/
[08:53] <imbrandon> you might want to subscribe to the feisty-changes ML or Seveas's RSS feed for it
[08:53] <superm1> do you have a link for Seveas's RSS feed?
[08:53] <superm1> good to watch this thing
[08:53] <imbrandon> hrm one sec
[08:53] <Seveas> media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss
[08:54] <imbrandon> http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/feisty.xml
[08:54] <superm1> Thx
[08:54] <imbrandon> yea
[08:54] <imbrandon> moins Seveas, heading out soon ?
[08:55] <Seveas> 7 hours
[08:55] <imbrandon> cool, about the same here ( 9 or so )
[09:37] <CarlFK> how would I go about finding if anyone is packaging http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/gui-tools/5.0.html
[09:38] <Burgwork> CarlFK: look for ITPs in debian
[09:38] <Burgwork> ask around here
[09:38] <CarlFK> what is an ITP?
[09:38] <Burgwork> intent to package
[09:39] <CarlFK> thanks
[09:42] <LaserJock> Burgwork: we'll turn you into a MOTU yet :-)
[09:42] <bddebian> heh
[09:42] <Burgwork> LaserJock: good luck trying
[09:43] <LaserJock> Burgwork: there is this Tcl app that sounds like a perfect learning project ;-)
[09:43] <Burgwork> right
[09:44] <LaserJock> Burgwork: have you tricked, I mean enticed, anybody to package that yet?
[09:44] <Burgwork> not yet
[09:46] <LaserJock> well, I'd rather package for openUserful then Userful
[09:46] <Burgwork> userful paid you, and openuserful can't
[09:50] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I'd still rather package for openuserful
[09:50] <Burgwork> LaserJock: well this tcl code I have is openuserful!
[09:50] <LaserJock> yep
[09:50] <Burgwork> I have even have a shiny press release to prove it :)
[09:50] <LaserJock> if I have time I'd like to help out
[09:51] <LaserJock> but as you probably know, my free time is pretty used up
[09:52] <LaserJock> uggg, that cochicken thing is nasty
[10:05] <LaserJock> oh, how nifty, firefox won't quit
[10:06] <LaserJock> doh, I had another window on a different desktop
[10:08] <imbrandon> heh
[10:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: now when are all of you ( you and the AU/NZ contingent) going to hit SF?
[10:11] <lifeless> ~1000 AM SF time
[10:11] <lifeless> I get in a 0942, stip at 1000 precisely,
[10:12] <lifeless> ajmitch at 1115
[10:12] <imbrandon> yea all our flights get there from 942 to 1115
[10:12] <lifeless> s/stip/stub/
[10:12] <lifeless> and we're meeting at the BART station lvl 3
[10:12] <imbrandon> lifeless, and elk at 942 , me at 1010 and ajmitch and mpt at 1115
[10:13] <imbrandon> moins lifeless
[10:18] <LaserJock> imbrandon: ok and that's Saturday, right?
[10:18] <imbrandon> yea
[10:19] <imbrandon> ( tomarrow morning )
[10:19] <imbrandon> for us, not sure what it means to them ( later today ? )
[10:20] <LaserJock> I was just trying to see how early I should get over there
[10:20] <imbrandon> my plane leaves in about ~12 hours , but i have to be at the airport sooner
[10:20] <LaserJock> I might try to hop over to the hotel when I get in to say hello
[10:20] <imbrandon> cool
[10:21] <imbrandon> yea ajmitch is in mtv actualy not sunnyvale but he said something about somming over to the hotel maybe sat night
[10:21] <imbrandon> for a while
[10:21] <imbrandon> s/somming/comming
[10:21] <LaserJock> yeah, similar here
[10:22] <LaserJock> I think I'm the closest to Google HQ ;-)
[10:22] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:22] <imbrandon> when are you supose to get there ?
[10:22] <LaserJock> well, this afternoon/evening I'm driving to Sac
[10:22] <imbrandon> we will likely be at the hotel about noon or soon after
[10:23] <LaserJock> but I haven't figured out when we'll drive from Sac to Mt. View
[10:23] <imbrandon> ahh
[10:23] <LaserJock> hopefully not when the traffic is nasty
[10:23] <LaserJock> but it's always nasty so...
[10:23] <imbrandon> yea leave right after morning rush would be good, then you wont have to worry about it till quitting time
[10:23] <imbrandon> but saturday shouldent be terrible
[10:24] <LaserJock> yeah, if people are going to be around I'll go earlier
[10:24] <LaserJock> if nobody was going to be there until Sat. night I wasn't going to worry about it
[10:25] <LaserJock> but I don't have much time so I want to make the most of it
[10:25] <LaserJock> ouch
[10:25] <imbrandon> yea we should all get there arround noon to the hotel, depending on how long ajmitch and mpt are in customs
[10:25] <LaserJock> Yahoo has an Internet Addiction story right now
[10:25] <bhale> im an internet addict
[10:25] <bhale> whats the cure?
[10:25] <LaserJock> I made 7 out of 8 on the checklist
[10:25] <imbrandon> lol yea i would probably get 8 of 8
[10:26] <imbrandon> or 7 of 8
[10:26] <LaserJock> I'm too cheap to buy computer equipment
[10:26] <imbrandon> whats the url ?
[10:26] <bhale> i meet 6 of those
[10:26] <bhale> i dont lie or deny it
[10:26] <LaserJock> imbrandon: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/6574
[10:26] <LaserJock> well, I guess I don't deny it
[10:27] <LaserJock> but I probably shrink my computer time down in my head
[10:27] <LaserJock> "I haven't been on long" = 8 hrs
[10:27] <bhale> im on 8 hours at work
[10:27] <bhale> and most of the evening
[10:27] <imbrandon> heh i meet all but 1 and 8
[10:29] <LaserJock> heh, I like this comment: "three words...WORLD OF WARCRAFT"
[10:30] <imbrandon> heh when i was looking if the airport had hotspots , thats sad considering i wont be there more than 1 or 2 hours tops
[10:30] <imbrandon> :)
[10:30] <bhale> i cant help but pay for airport wifi
[10:30] <bhale> i was in Boston for 30 minutes tops
[10:30] <bhale> $8
[10:30] <imbrandon> heh
[10:30] <bhale> my credit card floats out of my pocket
[10:31] <imbrandon> i might in SFO waiting for everyone to show up
[10:31] <imbrandon> but not in denver most likely as i'll only be there 1 hour
[10:31] <bhale> i hope your ipod is charged
[10:31] <imbrandon> but then again who knows LOL
[10:31] <LaserJock> I'm just too broke to spend money on wiki
[10:31] <LaserJock> wifi
[10:31] <imbrandon> yup yup its fully charged, made sure of that
[10:31] <bhale> its $8
[10:32] <bhale> DO IT
[10:32] <LaserJock> that's a lot of money though :-0
[10:32] <imbrandon> alot for 30 minutes yea
[10:33] <imbrandon> and considering i only have $200 for the week heheh
[10:34] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:34] <LaserJock> well, I shoulda spent more money when I went to Paris
[10:35] <bhale> i spent $100 in australia
[10:35] <bhale> on cabs
[10:35] <LaserJock> instead some punk got most of it :(
[10:35] <bhale> mark does a very nice job of taking care of things
[10:35] <imbrandon> yea i heard that
[10:36] <imbrandon> heh my mt dew addiction i will spend $100 on just that :)
[10:36] <imbrandon> LOL
[10:36] <imbrandon> i can live without wifi at the airport but not mt dew
[10:37] <LaserJock> shesh
[10:37] <LaserJock> you need a t-shirt, "Mt. Dew in Mt. View"
[10:38] <imbrandon> LOL
[10:38] <imbrandon> i dident even look , are either of the other brandons comming ?
[10:38] <imbrandon> bhale, ?
[10:38] <LaserJock> I want a "I went to UDS Mt. View and all I got was this lousy t-shirt...and a lot of work"
[10:39] <imbrandon> lol
[10:39] <imbrandon> i just want a kubuntu t-shirt
[10:40] <bhale> bhale: no
[10:40] <bhale> uh
[10:40] <bhale> imbrandon: no.
[10:40] <imbrandon> heh ok
[10:40] <imbrandon> welp time to finish packing, probably be back in a bit
[10:42] <LaserJock> packing?
[10:43] <LaserJock> over-achiever!
[10:43] <imbrandon> heh
[10:43] <LaserJock> I just stuff some stuff in a suitcase 30 min. before I have to go
[10:43] <lifeless> yup
[10:43] <lifeless> I just did that
[10:45] <lifeless> imbrandon: whats your mobile # ?
[10:46] <imbrandon><PHONE_NUMBER>
[10:47] <imbrandon> 1+ ^
[10:47] <TheMuso> Hey guys.
[10:47] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[10:47] <TheMuso> Hope you enjoy your week.
[10:47] <imbrandon> :)
[10:47] <TheMuso> I really wish I could be there.
[10:48] <theCore> UDS is next week?
[10:49] <imbrandon> theCore, yea most of us are either on the road now or getting ready to be on the road to moutain view now
[10:49] <theCore> you are a bunch of lucky guys :)
[10:50] <theCore> I heard there will be a IRC channel for UDS, is it true?
[10:50] <imbrandon> theCore, YEA THERE IS NORMALY ONE SETUP
[10:50] <imbrandon> gah
[10:50] <imbrandon> sorry caps lock sucks
[10:50] <lifeless> imbrandon: so thats +18168103757 ?
[10:50] <lifeless> imbrandon: or +118168103757 ?
[10:51] <imbrandon> lifeless, yea
[10:51] <imbrandon> no the first
[10:51] <theCore> imbrandon, you should remove it :)
[10:51] <lifeless> let me test :)
[10:51] <imbrandon> +1-816-810-3757
[10:51] <imbrandon> you will get my voicemail probably , its on the charger right now
[10:51] <lifeless> if your phone rings now, its right :)
[10:51] <lifeless> lol, ok
[10:51] <imbrandon> it says my name
[10:52] <lifeless> 'the person you are trying to reach'...
[10:52] <imbrandon> hrm that phone might be not working , one sec
[10:52] <lifeless> yah, no voice mail on that number
[10:52] <DBO> i cant believe you posted your number on irc...
[10:53] <imbrandon> DBO, why not, i had/have it on my website too
[10:53] <imbrandon> not many calls trust me :)
[10:53] <DBO> =)
[10:53] <theCore> will do*
[10:53] <imbrandon> thats the nice thing about "off" on cell phones
[10:53] <DBO> imbrandon, beryl 0.1.2 will be ready soon if you are interested
[10:53] <theCore> bah ...
[10:53] <imbrandon> DBO, rocking, i'll look when i get into mtv
[10:54] <DBO> imbrandon, I'll come back and let you know when its released final
[10:54] <DBO> oh you will be at UDS =)
[10:54] <DBO> fantastic
[10:54] <imbrandon> yes
[10:54] <DBO> I'll see you there
[10:54] <imbrandon> :)
[10:54] <DBO> i was under the impression you were not going for some reason
[10:55] <imbrandon> DBO, yes i leave here in a few hours
[10:55] <TheMuso> c
[10:55] <DBO> well then imbrandon, happy trails!
[10:55] <TheMuso> gar speakup
[10:56] <theCore> will there be a CC meeting during UDS?
[10:57] <imbrandon> lifeless, 1-816-550-7441
[10:57] <imbrandon> i'll take that cellphone
[10:57] <imbrandon> ^
[10:57] <lifeless> kk
[10:57] <imbrandon> theCore, no
[10:57] <lifeless> is that work or personal or you just have two phones for fun ?
[10:57] <imbrandon> i just have two, the first was a prepaid, this is a verizon
[10:58] <imbrandon> both personal
[10:58] <lifeless> testing
[10:58] <theCore> imbrandon, ah, ok
[10:58] <imbrandon> k
[10:58] <lifeless> ringing
[10:58] <lifeless> sweet
[10:58] <imbrandon> works !
[10:58] <imbrandon> said unavible on the caller id, but thats not a big deal :)
[10:59] <imbrandon> :)
[10:59] <lifeless> yah, its handshaking with vodafone in .au
[10:59] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:00] <LaserJock> imbrandon: what provider do you have?
[11:00] <theCore> gotta love the long-distance fees :)
[11:00] <imbrandon> verizon
[11:00] <LaserJock> darn
[11:00] <lifeless> bbiab
[11:00] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ?
[11:00] <LaserJock> I've got cincular, I was hoping I could call you for free ;-)
[11:00] <imbrandon> ahh :)
[11:00] <LaserJock> *cingular
[11:01] <imbrandon> LaserJock, no moible to mobile for free?
[11:01] <LaserJock> for cingular yes
[11:01] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:03] <imbrandon> 65 to 70 degree temps are going to be a welcom change
[11:04] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, my wife's family there don't have ac or heat in their house
[11:04] <LaserJock> imbrandon: and I'm not sure they really have insulation either
[11:04] <imbrandon> wow
[11:05] <LaserJock> they say the pretty much open the windows during the summer and close then during the winter :-)
[11:05] <imbrandon> ok now to really finish packing, back in ~30 min or an hour
[11:05] <imbrandon> heh
[11:06] <tenshu> hi all
[11:07] <tenshu> i would like to upload a package to REVU, can someone re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring?


[16:48] <hallyn> ahasenack: i don't even know enough to know whether /run/user gets bind-mounted into the snap's chroot
[21:18] <ahasenack> yeah, but it wouldn't load from /home either
[21:18] <ahasenack> except I didn't see an apparmor DENIED message in that case
[21:20] <ahasenack> I filed this bug, but I'm unsure canonical will tackle it, since the snap comes from mozilla: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1967632
[21:23] <ahasenack> upstream bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1734371
[22:41] <JanC> Mozilla already broke some PKCS#11 support in recent Firefox versions, unrelated to snaps...  :-(
[22:42] <JanC> I'm starting to wonder if Mozilla even care about Firefox at all
[22:57] <JanC> BTW: if Firefox will be forced to become a snap, I will be forced to move away from using Ubuntu, in part because of this sort of bugs (I can’t allow automatic updates when they possibly block me from interacting with the government)
[22:58] <JanC> maybe that's something Canonical should consider...
[22:59] <JanC> Firefox-as-a-snap is a security issue
[23:03] <jjohansen> well, the last few years sure has provided evidence that they don't care about FF
[23:03] <jjohansen> and yes FF as a snap is a huge issue for many people
[23:07] <JanC> based on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1759162 it also seems like upstream Mozilla are testing Firefox on Ubuntu 16.04 instead of (also) on more recent versions...
[23:09] <JanC> it's rather disturbing
[23:09] <JanC> supposedly these people are now maintaining browser packages in Ubuntu...
[23:09] <JanC> while using Ubuntu versions that are out of security support
[23:10] <JanC> how hard can it be for Canonical to pay 1-2 people to maintain a proper browser package?
[23:14] <Eickmeyer> JanC: That wasn't the point. The entire reason FF went Snap was because Mozilla chose that as part of their distribution agreement with Canonical, not the other way around. This was Mozilla's decision, not Canonical's.
[23:14] <JanC> I don't care if it's called "Ubuntu browser" or "Firefox" BTW
[23:14] <JanC> Eickmeyer: and I think Canonical shouldn't accept that
[23:15] <JanC> Ubuntu/Canonical
[23:15] <Eickmeyer> Then we wouldn't be able to redistribute Firefox at all.
 I don't care if it's called "Ubuntu browser" or "Firefox" BTW
[23:15] <JanC> fuck Mozilla if they want to lose even more name recognition
[23:15] <JanC> it's their loss
[23:15] <Eickmeyer> JanC: Please abide by the CoC.
[23:17] <JanC> Mozilla don't abide to the CoC, but you happily accept that...
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> JanC: I don't work for Canonical, and you are responsible for your behavior, not Mozilla's.
[23:22] <JanC> I used 1 word that a minority of people might maybe consider to be a violation of the CoC (although I would claim it shows humanity so it's perfectly fine under the CoC :P ), meanwhile Canonical/Ubuntu accept repeated Mozilla's anti-CoC behaviour without a single complaints
[23:22] <JanC> maybe I should file a complaint with the CC
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> JanC: I'm on the CC.
[23:26] <JanC> so, did you or will you put Mozilla's actual anti-CoC behaviour on the agenda, or will you only complain about people's silly choice of words on IRC?
[23:27] <Eickmeyer> JanC: I don't consider Mozilla to be violating the CoC right now, but I've seen multiple problems from you in this channel alone. So do yourself a favor: take a walk.
[23:40] <JanC> are you saying now that Mozilla is listening to and working with the community? because almost nobody I know actually agrees with that…
[23:41] <JanC> and that's part of the CoC...
[23:45] <Eickmeyer> JanC: This is not the place for this discussion. If you believe there is an *actual* CoC violation (btw, Mozilla doesn't participate as part of the Ubuntu community), then email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:46] <JanC> yes, Mozilla is part of the Ubuntu community (maybe they don't want to be, and don't want to abide by the rules, but they are by the simple fact of insisting they make the official packages)
[23:48] <Eickmeyer> JanC: Ok, I've said this isn't the place for this discussion and I mean it. Further discussion will happen via email thread, but you have to initiate it.
[23:52] <amurray> shalocin[m]: thanks - but I can't take any credit - it's all ccdm94's awesomeness