[12:00] <yaaar> jdub: so, is it the fakeroot step that's supposed to create the .deb file?
[12:00] <larsrohdin> yes, i know but ibecame two lines when i pasted it
[12:00] <larsrohdin> thanks dude
[12:00] <jdub> yaaar: sure
[12:00] <sobralense> anybody knows if I do something like "chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm" I may start with a terminal and not with GDM ?
[12:00] <larsrohdin> jdub, to log out from open box, what should i type?
[12:00] <jdub> sobralense: just remove the gdm package
[12:01] <ideafix> isnt this distro a test bed for the next debian release ?
[12:01] <jdub> larsrohdin: erm, ctrl-alt-backspace is a quick way ;)
[12:01] <jdub> ideafix: not really, no
[12:01] <sobralense> jdub, I dont want to remove... just for testing issues.. and dont want to Xorg break the machine.. =]
[12:01] <larsrohdin> ok... i thougt that was lik ctrl-alt-del in windows...
[12:01] <jdub> sobralense: you can always put it back easily enough
[12:01] <Mayday> anyway to see from what repository installed stuff came from?
[12:01] <ideafix> sobralense go troll else were haxor
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: ctrl-alt-bksp kills X
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: but you can ctrl+alt+F1 to get to a console with X still running
[12:02] <hikaru79> HrdwrBoB, lol
[12:02] <hikaru79> Someone pressed the keys eagerly =P
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[12:02] <jdub> no point mucking around ;)
[12:02] <hikaru79> BTW, HrdwrBoB, I think I saw you on bash.org. Was that you or just someone with the same name by some weird freak of chance?
[12:03] <Destructo> hey did anyne see my error ?
[12:03] <emz> #unbuntu: hikaru79 is god do not question him or dare to defie him
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> hikaru79: no there is only me
[12:03] <Destructo> ok issues. so im trying to install g++-3.3_3.3.4 then i get error to install libstdcc++5.3.3-dev   but i get an error telling me to install g++3.3..etc
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[12:03] <mojo_> cwa2: is that your only error?
[12:03] <hikaru79> emz, lol o_O;
[12:03] <ideafix> libstdcc is evil !!!
[12:04] <Josip> I have a little problem with my sound
[12:04] <Destructo> really.
[12:04] <Destructo> so now what
[12:04] <Josip> can someone tell me the defualt gstreamer sound configuration ?
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> Josip: it uses esd as a sink by default
[12:04] <Josip> and what for "default source" ?
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> which uses OSS compatability, which connects to the ALSA driver
[12:04] <ideafix> libstdcc is used bye haxors to code exploits on your machine !
[12:05] <Josip> ?
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> OSS
[12:05] <Josip> in the default source what shall I put ? Silence
[12:05] <Josip> ;-)
[12:05] <Josip> OSS , okay
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> silence is fine though
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> that's only if you're recording
[12:05] <Josip> I'm not
[12:05] <Destructo> ideafix great
[12:06] <Josip> but the sound isn't _clear_
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: what are uyou trying to do
[12:06] <larsrohdin> jdub, when i start... my home directory opens... why?
[12:06] <Destructo> trying to alot. but i need gcc so dloaded the requred stuff
[12:07] <Cloudchaser> heya...i'm trying to install some firefox themes from the mozilla website, but when i click on the install now..nothing happens at all..i know it worked when i first installed ubuntu because i installed some..but now it doesn't seem to work...anyone have any ideas?
[12:07] <Josip> It's with like .. hmm don't know how to explain
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: if you apt-get install build-essential it woull get this thigns you need to build from source
[12:07] <jdub> larsrohdin: ah, change your nautilus line to "nautilus --no-default-window &"
[12:07] <mojo_> cwa2... you there?
[12:07] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB that box has no intenet
[12:07] <larsrohdin> jdub, ok thx!
[12:08] <Destructo> bbl
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: well, easiest thing to do, run that on another machine, then copy over the debs from /var/cache/apt/
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: also, build-essential is on the CD
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> iirc
[12:08] <Destructo> how do i access that agin.. ?
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get would have added a soruce line for the CD
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> or you can use synaptic
[12:09] <sthirumurthy> how to install JDK on UBUNTU?
[12:09] <Destructo> k bbl
[12:09] <jdub> sthirumurthy: see the wiki
[12:09] <hikaru79> sthirumurthy, this topic is beaten to death in both the forum and wiki
[12:09] <bassinboy> how do i go back to using gdm?
[12:10] <sthirumurthy> Thanks
[12:10] <mojo_> hmph... offer to do leg work for someone and they just run off LOL!
[12:10] <bassinboy> stupid cat
[12:10] <ideafix> hehe
[12:11] <ideafix> what mojo_ means ?
[12:11] <ideafix> nojo ?
[12:12] <nictuku> Hi. anyone from brazil? Estou montando a comunidade ubuntu-br
[12:12] <emz> im look forward to tomorrow the day i will be blessed with.....
[12:12] <bassinboy>  how do i go back to using gdm?
[12:12] <emz> UBUNTU
[12:12] <jdub> nictuku: #ubuntu-pt might help :)
[12:12] <nictuku> jdub: hmm I'm trying to find some other members to #ubuntu-br :)
[12:13] <jdub> nictuku: aha
[12:13] <emz> im not brazilian ill just idle
[12:13] <jdub> nictuku: that's an entirely different matter then :)
[12:13] <jdub> nictuku: estou procurando minhas calas!
[12:13] <nictuku> thanks emz. that would help indeed
[12:13] <nictuku> jdub: hehe
[12:14] <ideafix> jdub  #ubuntu-pt
[12:14] <ZzeCoOl> does anyone knows how can i create a xorg.conf?  (i only just copy paste the settings from XF86Config file?)
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> fglrxconfig creates a XF86Config file
[12:15] <bassinboy> ZzeCoOl: X --configure
[12:15] <larsrohdin> Thanks for all the help everyone! I've learned alot of things, and i installed Ubuntu yesterday. I hope you don't get tired of all my questions, because i really want to learn.
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> bassinboy but i want to use it with ATi
[12:15] <yaaar> ok....so, by my best guess, fakeroot is complaining about not finding gcc. i can verify that gcc is not a command on my box. Do i need to apt-get that for fakeroot to work? If so, it raises two other questions: 1)which gcc...apt-cache shows like 10 versions, and 2)why wasn't gcc a dep of fakeroot?
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> i thik i must run fglrxconfig
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> think*
[12:15] <bassinboy> ZzeCoOl:  get nvidia ;)
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> :<
[12:16] <yaaar> and speaking of which.....why am i even using fakeroot? can't i just run this as root?
[12:16] <Cube-ness> do the fglrx drivers work with the IGP radeons?
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> dont really know
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> nevermins
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> nevermind
[12:16] <larsrohdin> how can i take a screenshot?
[12:16] <borgista> Compuer ----> Take shot
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> xorg file look like the same or it is with XF86Config
[12:16] <jdub> larsrohdin: rock :)
[12:16] <borgista> screenshot*
[12:16] <borgista> computer*
[12:17] <jdub> larsrohdin: run
[12:17] <borgista> damn typos
[12:17] <jdub> larsrohdin: run 'gnome-panel-screenshot' from openbox
[12:17] <larsrohdin> aha ok=)
[12:17] <jdub> larsrohdin: you do realise you're making life slightly harder using openbox, right? :)
[12:17] <kbrooks> yaaar: well, you don't want to directly affect your system by running shit as root
[12:17] <larsrohdin> hard=fun
[12:17] <jdub> yaaar: strongly recommend using fakeroot instead.
[12:17] <randabis> lolz
[12:17] <bassinboy> bah!!! how do i switch to gdm?
[12:17] <jdub> larsrohdin: heh
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> yaaar: what you need is to apt-get install build-essential
[12:17] <cwa2> jdub: sorry, I got disconnected, did you reply with anything?
[12:17] <jdub> bassinboy: switch to?
[12:18] <yaaar> kbrooks: look, despite appearances, i am not a n00b. i'm talking to you on my gentoo box here, this is just throwing me a curve. i've already enabled the root account, and i'm not scared.
[12:18] <jdub> cwa2: the line you pasted is not an error
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> bassinboy: if it's running and you are in a console, alft+F7
[12:18] <kotau> anyone have the new ATI drivers working
[12:18] <bassinboy> jdub, HrdwrBoB, sorry, kdm is running by default
[12:18] <cwa2> jdub: any reason you can think of why my X/gdm isn't working anymore?
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> yaaar: fakeroot is because it's not at all necessary to use the real root account
[12:19] <jdub> bassinboy: apt-get install gdm :)
[12:19] <jdub> cwa2: not without further information...
[12:19] <mojo_> cwa2: was it working before?  what did you change?
[12:19] <bassinboy> cwa2: because you installed a new kernel, but not the nvidia modules
[12:19] <mojo_> cwa2: I had problems with fonts that didn't install on my first upgrade from warty to hoary
[12:19] <yaaar> HrdwrBoB: good call on the build-essential. thanks
[12:20] <mbp_> does anyone know why xscreensaver randomly locks my screen on hoary?
[12:20] <cwa2> I did try to do some upgrades
[12:20] <mbp_> i suspect something to do with cpufreq scaling
[12:20] <melazyboy> wowow
[12:20] <melazyboy> not to shoot off topic -- well maybe a little, i just got a call from the company that i recently got fired from
[12:21] <bassinboy> cwa2 you have to get the restricted modules for your new kernel, THIS SHOULD BE IN THE TOPIC, because its a common problem when someone does "mark all upgrades"
[12:21] <melazyboy> aparently they found me a new job at a different company
[12:21] <cwa2> it started w/ trying to get gdesktop working, which required a python.h header file. it didn't seem to install correctly though. synaptic/apt complained about removing gnome-panel. it was working until I logged out. hasn't worked since
[12:21] <cwa2> I get the login screen w/o my background, and when I login, the screen hangs
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> melazyboy: wow, that's cool
[12:22] <mojo_> mealazboy: pretty cool.
[12:22] <cwa2> bassinboy: how do I get that topic. remember I don't have X anymore, or lynx installed
[12:22] <cwa2> is there an apt I can do?
[12:22] <mojo_> mojo: I suppose the reference is in the bag then, huh?  =D
[12:22] <jdub> cwa2: what cpu do you have?
[12:22] <melazyboy> Its like a lega way of transfering personel, fire them for something insignifficant like downloading the perl engine, after he increases productivity in the dept by 600% then call him back a week later and tell him your friend is starting a company and they want you.
[12:23] <jdub> melazyboy: best to take this elsewhere please
[12:23] <cwa2> jdub: ummm, how do I tell? 386? P3?
[12:23] <Petaris> Can anyone tell me how well amd64 is supported?
[12:23] <cwa2> it's a Dell Latitude CSx H500 laptop
[12:23] <bassinboy> cwa2:  you dont need to mess with the topic
[12:23] <jdub> cwa2: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:23] <mjr> Petaris, "works for me"
[12:23] <mojo_> cwa:  have you anything in /var/logs/XFree86.0.log or some such?
[12:23] <jdub> cwa2: what does the model name say?
[12:23] <mz2> jdub, why? i find this interesting
[12:23] <cwa2> Coppermine
[12:24] <Petaris> mjr: is it 64bit or 32bit
[12:24] <mojo_> cwa2: or perhaps /var/logs/gdm/*
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> mz2: stuff about ubuntu is ontopic here, if you want to chat, join #ubuntu-offtopic or another channel
[12:24] <Petaris> mjr: and how is multimedia support
[12:25] <bassinboy> cwa2: you just need to apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-x-x-x-x
[12:25] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB ok all that fixed. i used the cd to install stuff. how do i get my usb adapter to be seen ..?
[12:25] <tritium> Will Hoary's version number be 5.4?
[12:25] <s1x> lo all
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: usb adapter to what
[12:25] <cwa2> it's kinda long, and I've lost the ability to paste
[12:25] <jdub> cwa2: ok, sudo apt-get install linux-686
[12:25] <mjr> Petaris, 64, most stuff works for me with totem-xine
[12:25] <akurashy> the sound driver isnt working :(
[12:25] <jdub> cwa2: that'll get all the related packages, etc.
[12:25] <akurashy> can someone help me
[12:25] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB its a wireless usb adapter
[12:26] <s1x> after updating to hoary nvidia died
[12:26] <mjr> (and a libdvdcss2 package which I got separately for dvds)
[12:26] <cwa2> jdub: thx
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: ah. what model?
[12:26] <jdub> s1x: cpu?
[12:26] <cwa2> bassinboy: thx also
[12:26] <s1x> did this happen to anyone elese?
[12:26] <s1x> amd xp
[12:26] <jdub> s1x: sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[12:26] <Petaris> mjr: ok, the reason I asked weather it was 64 or 32 is that some distros emulate a 32bit enviornment on the amd64
[12:26] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB aerolan 2011 it has atmel chip
[12:26] <theine> is there a way to view my current readline/inputrc settings?
[12:27] <mz2> HrdwrBoB, :)
[12:27] <akurashy> hello can someone tell me how to make work my nvidia sound :(
[12:27] <filem0n> hi, i have a problem whit the power on ubuntu
[12:27] <s1x> oh, and a big kudos to Ubuntu for making it so easy to develop on 2.9 platform, you've saved me alot of work! :D
[12:27] <theine> i.e. something equivalent to `xrdb -query'...
[12:27] <jdub> s1x: rock :-)
[12:27] <filem0n> i can 'poweroff' the system but i cannot 'reboot'
[12:28] <kbrooks> 2.9? is that the next linux kernel version of 3.0?
[12:28] <s1x> kbrooks: i meant gnome platform :)
[12:28] <cwa2> jdub: it complains about gnome-panel again
[12:28] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Asante%20FriendlyNET%20AeroLAN%20AL%202011%20Network%20Adapter:1990733107
[12:28] <jdub> cwa2: you need to provide more info
[12:28] <Omoshiroi> hmm, for some reason my ati XF86Config file doesnt work.
[12:28] <cwa2> could I give you login access?
[12:29] <cwa2> I'm on console ALT+CTRL+Fx'ing between screens
[12:29] <jdub> er, no
[12:29] <jdub> you need to figure this out
[12:29] <cwa2> by the time I switch back, your answer is gone
[12:29] <Omoshiroi> lol
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net/news.html
[12:29] <Omoshiroi> cwa2, you 'could' but its best to learn how to fix things.
[12:30] <cwa2> I'm learning, but the curve is a bi**h!
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: if you get the right linux-headers you should be able to build and insert that module
[12:30] <akurashy> can someone help me about how to make work my nvidia sound :(
[12:31] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB nwell im using ndiswrapper .. installed the inf . now i need to get linux to see the usb adapoter
[12:31] <cwa2> gnome-panel Depends: libecal6 (> =1.0.2) but it is not going to be installed
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: it will 'see' it as soon as you plug it in
[12:32] <cwa2> gnome-panel Depends: libdataserver3 (> =1.0.2) but it is not going to be installed
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: check 'dmesg'
[12:32] <mojo_> cwa2: maybe try sudo apt-get remove gnome-panel followed by sudo apt-get install gnome-panel and see if that helps?
[12:32] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> Hi all
[12:32] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> is uhci.o PROVIDED with ubuntu distrib?
[12:32] <mojo_> cwa2: It sounds like your previous upgrade failed to do some work on gnome-panel
[12:32] <Omoshiroi> Destructo, having no network... getting ndiswrapper installed was a pita, but once it was there works like a charm ;)
[12:33] <cwa2> mojo: now it complains about gnome-applets
[12:33] <cwa2> gnome-data-panel
[12:33] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> cwa2 Hi
[12:33] <cwa2> and ubuntu-desktop
[12:33] <mojo_> cwa2 did you re-install the gnome-panel after you removed it?
[12:33] <Destructo> how do you unmodprobe ..?
[12:33] <alex_> is it possible to get networkmanager to run under debian
[12:33] <JamesDotCom> rmmod
[12:33] <tritium> Delgul_at_work, modprobe -r
[12:33] <cwa2> KeRnEl-PaNiC: hi
[12:33] <im_ka> hi
[12:34] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> is uhci module provided with ubuntu?
[12:34] <im_ka> is there an app with which i can limit bandwith on a specific port?
[12:34] <cwa2> mojo: I haven't been able to remove it yet
[12:34] <adapt> oi
[12:34] <cwa2> I think gdesklets or something tried to mess w/ it
[12:34] <tritium> KeRnEl-PaNiC, definitely
[12:35] <adapt> anyone running cs:source at a reasonable frame rate?
[12:35] <mojo_> cwa2: you can do "sudo apt-get remove gnome-panel" and when it's done, immediately do "sudo apt-get install gnome-panel".
[12:35] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> tritium thanks for ur attention...but why when i modprobe uhci i got -->fatal error : uhci  module not found
[12:36] <cwa2> mojo: it errors on the remove, complains about gnome-applets, gnome-panel-data, and ubuntu-desktop
[12:36] <Destructo> i have lo , eth0 and sit0  no wlan0
[12:36] <cwa2> mojo: should I try to remove all those also?
[12:36] <mojo_> cwa2: It sounds like your problem started while running some update or install in Synaptic Package Manager, right?  If it failed because of problems upgrading the gnome-panel, this may help.  Apt-get is, of course, the command-line package management
[12:36] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: ifconfig -a
[12:36] <cwa2> mojo: correct, it started after Synaptic
[12:37] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB yeah thats what i ran
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[12:37] <mojo_> cwa2: maybe apt-get reinstall gnome-panel.  I am not sure if "reinstall" is a valid argument, but it may work...
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> is ndswrapper loaded?
[12:37] <tritium> KeRnEl-PaNiC, it's called uhci-hcd
[12:37] <Destructo> yep
[12:37] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> Someone here using SPEEDTOUCH ALCATEL 330 usb
[12:37] <mojo_> cwa2: nope, "reinstall" won't work...
[12:38] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> tritium mmmmmmmm THANK u , so i was wrong... THANKS DUDE
[12:38] <tritium> Too many people here at this conference.  There's probably 500 people sharing the bandwidth.
[12:38] <tritium> KeRnEl-PaNiC, no problem.
[12:38] <sladen> tritium: confernce?
[12:38] <Omoshiroi> has anyone setup the ati fglrxconfig for an ati 9600 AIW pro before?
[12:38] <mojo_> cwa2: what package were you originally trying to install or upgrade with Synaptic? Do you know?
[12:38] <cwa2> mojo: I see, I tried upgrade also, but it complains about libecal6 and libdataserver again
[12:38] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB i see my usb and ndiswrapper in dmesg
[12:38] <Destructo> should i reboot ..?
[12:38] <cwa2> mojo: gdesklets (I believe)
[12:38] <mojo_> cwa2: or was it, maybe, a whole bunch of them you were doing at once?
[12:38] <Destructo> in slackware i used dhcpcd -d wlan0
[12:38] <cwa2> mojo: it ended up being a whole bunch at once
[12:39] <sladen> mojo_: just  apt-get install gnome-panel
[12:39] <cwa2> mojo: is there a log of synaptic activity
[12:39] <mojo_> cwa2: maybe, since you're NOT running GNOME right now, you can use apt-get to install gdesklets from the command line.  It may be able to complete from the command line
[12:39] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> Guys nobody using an ALCATEL SPEEDTOUCH 330 ?
[12:39] <tritium> sladen, Electronic Imaging in San Jose
[12:39] <tritium> sladen, are you here too?
[12:39] <s1x> KeRnEl-PaNiC: i am
[12:39] <mojo_> cwa: try...  sudo apt-get install gdesklets
[12:40] <sladen> tritium: nope, sat in London
[12:40] <tritium> sladen, Oh, okay.
[12:40] <cwa2> is there a way to slow down or scroll irc traffic in irssi?
[12:40] <mojo_> sladen: that may just work.
[12:40] <tritium> See you later.
[12:40] <sladen> KeRnEl-PaNiC: is this the one provided by BT?
[12:40] <s1x> btw folks, wasn't supposed hoary to include x.org? if so how do i change it?
[12:40] <sri|work> s1x, it should upgrade automagically..
[12:41] <sladen> cwa2: it depends on what IRC client you are using
[12:41] <cwa2> sladen: irssi
[12:41] <s1x> sri|work: it's will using xfree
[12:41] <sladen> s1x: yes, Hoary dev has xorg.  Do   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[12:42] <cwa2> I wish there was a way to pipe the error messages I get into here, going back and forth from console to console is the pits!
[12:42] <sladen> cwa2: copy and paste?
[12:42] <cwa2> I'm on a console, switching between F1 & F2
[12:42] <sladen> cwa2: ah.   'screen'
[12:43] <s1x> sladen: hmmm i've done that... but i think i have both installed
[12:43] <s1x> sladen: should i remove one of them?
[12:43] <mojo_> sladen: cwa2 can't log in to GNOME... it fails to load for him.
[12:43] <sladen> s1x: sudo apt-get --purge install xserver-xorg xserver-xfree-  (note minus on end)
[12:43] <Omoshiroi> I am doing the ATI driver setup, do I want to initialize xfree86-dga?
[12:43] <popey> cwa2, doesn't your mouse work in the console? you can copy and paste with that..
[12:44] <sladen> Omoshiroi: leave it as the default (which is probably yes)
[12:44] <s1x> sladen: great, will nvidia still work with xorg?
[12:44] <Omoshiroi> sladen default is no, which is why I am asking.
[12:44] <cwa2> can't even select txt
[12:44] <popey> does the mouse work tho?
[12:44] <sladen> Omoshiroi: some things like Quake like to use it for Mouse input
[12:44] <Destructo> Omoshiroi how did you get the device to start
[12:45] <s1x> sladen: it says there's a package conflict between xorg and xfree
[12:45] <Omoshiroi> destructo I am using the ubuntu stuff right now.
[12:45] <mojo_> sladen: I believe that cwa2 is getting the x server up.  CW1: You get the graphic login screen, right?  It fails when you try to go ahead and fire up the desktop environment, if I understand you correctly...
[12:45] <Destructo> Omoshiroi yeah i knopw
[12:45] <sobralense> ... blackbox package for ubuntu (I'm on hoary) could be with a menu and default themes =P
[12:45] <sladen> s1x: did you miss the '-' off the end of the xfree one  (which means remove it)
[12:45] <akurashy> now can anyone help me how to install nvidia sound driver
[12:45] <akurashy> plz
[12:45] <sobralense> s/could be/could come
[12:45] <cwa2> I get the screen, but right now, I'm using the console to get on the irc w/ irssi
[12:46] <mebaran> I have been having major problems with evolution on AMD64
[12:46] <mojo_> cw2: have you tried sudo apt-get install gdesklets yet?
[12:46] <cwa2> I'm still going thru apt-get -f
[12:47] <s1x> sladen: i did this sudo apt-get --purge install xserver-xorg xserver-xfree86
[12:47] <Omoshiroi> brb, going to see if this X setup worked.
[12:48] <mojo_> cw2: apt-get -f what?  the -f just means to continue past integrity check failures
[12:48] <s1x> sladen: what should i do?
[12:49] <cwa2> mojo: it's running right now, I can't get the exact cmd
[12:49] <mojo_> cwa2: okay we'll wait...
[12:50] <Destructo> damn does ubuntu have a networking tool /.
[12:50] <Destructo> to add a device
[12:50] <mojo_> cwa2: i feel for ya being on console with no google-ability.
[12:50] <mojo_> cwa2: when I upgraded to hoary my xfonts didn't install, and it was a pain figuring that out
[12:52] <cwa2> I've seen an error about X-fonts in /var/log/gdm
[12:52] <cwa2> mojo: something about font renderer registered at priority 0
[12:52] <mebaran> Evolution will not import contacts
[12:53] <mebaran> delete addressbooks
[12:53] <mebaran> or open my old contact file
[12:53] <mojo_> cw2: but you get to the graphic login screen, which is further than I was getting with my problem.  I don't think it's the same issue.
[12:53] <mebaran> email seems to working
[12:53] <cwa2> ^X
[12:53] <sladen> s1x: you missed the '-'  off the end!
[12:53] <mojo_> cw2: lets wait until your apt-get command finishes and take it from there...
[12:53] <sladen> s1x: xserver-xfree-
[12:53] <sladen> s1x:           ^^^^
[12:53] <s1x> sladen: it's done already
[12:54] <s1x> sladen: sudo apt-get --purge install xserver-xorg
[12:54] <sladen> s1x: yup
[12:54] <s1x> i'm going to test it
[12:54] <cwa2> mojo: I wonder what made my background disappear. that's what made me think it was .gconf
[12:54] <s1x> thank you #ubuntu :)
[12:54] <s1x> bt
[12:54] <s1x> btw, will i need to run nvidia-glx-config?
[12:55] <s1x> bye all
[12:55] <mojo_> cwa2: gconf is for management of session settings, so it may just not be getting far enough to load the background before choking on the gnome-panel failure
[12:56] <mazzabr> ok. need some help here.
[12:56] <mazzabr> although I have already done this with slackware. I can't figure out what is wrong. :o/
[12:56] <mazzabr> I need to dd a cd-rom at hdc. but I can't.
[12:57] <mazzabr> I'm able to mount hdc. but I'm unable to dd it.
[12:57] <mazzabr> i'm trying this:
[12:57] <mazzabr> # dd bs=1024 if=/dev/hdc of=lp.iso
[12:57] <mazzabr> the answer.
[12:57] <mazzabr> dd: reading `/dev/hdc': Input/output error
[12:57] <mazzabr> 0+0 records in
[12:57] <mazzabr> 0+0 records out
[12:57] <mazzabr> 0 bytes transferred in 0.035016 seconds (0 bytes/sec)
[12:58] <popey> you haven't said how many blocks..
[12:58] <popey> you've said block size
[12:58] <popey> but not how many
[12:58] <popey> ah, hang on, /ignore me
[12:58] <mazzabr> popey, : ok, but how can I discovery how many blocks.
[12:58] <popey> nah, I'm wrong
[12:58] <popey> can you mount the cd?
[12:59] <mazzabr> popey, : yes, I can mount the CD.
[12:59] <kent> mazzabr, is it scratched or something? or have an audio-track ?
[12:59] <popey> i dont use dd for making iso, I use mkisofs..
[01:00] <mazzabr> kent, It's a multi-session. audio + multimedia.
[01:00] <mazzabr> acording to CD-Writing HOW-TO this should work:
[01:00] <mazzabr>  dd if=/dev/scd0 of=cdimage
[01:00] <ZzeCoOl> i wanna ask if anyone know how to eneble 3d now support at ubuntu
[01:00] <mazzabr> but it doesn't.
[01:00] <kent> mazzabr, i might be wrong, but i have a memory of not beeing able to use "dd" on audio-cd's. Perhaps try with a pure data and a pure audio, and see if dd have problems with audio-tracks?
[01:01] <mjr> dd can't read audio tracks
[01:01] <mjr> it's not that simple
[01:01] <mazzabr> kent, : I always do this with pure data. I'll verify with pure audio.
[01:01] <mjr> use cdparanoia for that
[01:01] <|blk|> hi im trying to install links-graphics on ubuntu - i did 'apt-get install links' but links -g doesn't work. should i be looking for another package?
[01:01] <mazzabr> mjr : how can I duplicate an audio CD?
[01:01] <kent> mazzabr, mjr say it has problems with the audio-track,  so..  do as he says :)
[01:02] <mazzabr> mjr, : does cdparanoia rips the CD?
[01:02] <Destructo> im getting errors  modprobe fatal errors in hotplug
[01:02] <Destructo> bbl
[01:02] <mjr> mazzabr, manually it goes thusly: use cdparanoia to rip the tracks into wavs, then use cdrecord to write said wavs into an audio cd
[01:02] <mjr> (it can do that by itself)
[01:02] <mazzabr> mjr, : no way. it's Jay-Z vs LinkinPark CD.
[01:03] <mazzabr> mjr, : linux is not able even to play it.
[01:03] <cwa2> can I get a copy? ;)
[01:03] <mjr> mazzabr, oh, you mean that it's not a CD, then
[01:03] <mazzabr> cwa2, actually IS a copy. I want to make another copy.
[01:03] <mojo_> how ya doin there cwa2?
[01:03] <mjr> anyway, ripping it might be possible even if playing it isn't
[01:03] <cwa2> mojo: OK, it's finished
[01:04] <mazzabr> mjr, : probably not a CDDA. Although the CDDA logo is at the box.
[01:04] <mojo_> cwa2: okay.  have you tried the graphic login again?
[01:04] <cwa2> mojo: I ran an apt-get -f upgrade gnome-panel
[01:04] <mojo_> cwa2: cool... test it out...
[01:04] <mazzabr> the point is that I have a copy. (here in Brazil we buy copies openly on the streets)
[01:05] <cwa2> mojo: then it ran through a bunch of pkgs I tried before, ends w/ an error on (guess what?) libecal & libdataserver again!
[01:05] <nictuku> mazzabr: #ubuntu-br
[01:05] <mazzabr> nictuku, no need to this. I'll also try to talk to them.
[01:05] <nictuku> (tou tentando achar gente pra montar uma comunidade)
[01:05] <cwa2> mojo: in the /var/cache/apt/archives/
[01:05] <mazzabr> nictuku, : can count on me too.
[01:05] <nictuku> nah. you won't find any help there hehe
[01:06] <mojo_> cwa2: you mean that login gives libecal & libdataserver erros or that the apt-get upgrade command ended with errors there?
[01:06] <mazzabr> nictuku, : do you already have a mailing list?
[01:06] <cwa2> mojo: E: subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg/ returned an error code (1)
[01:07] <nictuku> no, I'm alone, so there is no point asking them to make one ATM.
[01:07] <cwa2> mojo: the apt-get upgrade returns those errors (after going through everything else, the last one being replacing base-passwd
[01:07] <s1x> lo all
[01:07] <nictuku> my first task is translate the ubuntuguide
[01:07] <s1x> nvidia is still dead, but the log displays no errors
[01:08] <mazzabr> nictuku, ask for a list to him<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:08] <omoshiroi> hmm, the config file of the fglrxconfig program seems odd compared to a normal xf86config file...
[01:08] <s1x> and  cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status says disabled
[01:08] <mazzabr> nictuku, : async is the first company supporting Ubuntu Linux in brazil.
[01:08] <cwa2> mojo: after all that I get an email about reiserfs being upgraded also
[01:08] <s1x> anyone knows how to work around nvidia not working on hoary?
[01:08] <nictuku> how could you be so sure about that?
[01:08] <nictuku> :)
[01:08] <s1x> at least with the bundled drivers
[01:09] <nictuku> the company I was working for until the end of the year supportED ubuntu too
[01:09] <mazzabr> nictuku, : I know kiko.
[01:09] <mazzabr> nictuku, : which?
[01:09] <mojo_> cw2: libecal is the client library for calendars in Evolution.  I don't know what libdataservere is
[01:09] <akurashy> now can anyone help me how to install nvidia sound driver
[01:09] <scoon> s1x, i run hoary and just use the .run from nvidia.com
[01:10] <nictuku> lynx informatica, www.lynx.com.br, but you won't find anything about ubuntu there
[01:10] <s1x> scoon: yes, that's what i'm going to do
[01:10] <cwa2> mojo: login screen still returns nothing after logging in, I am able to move the mouse around however, but just over a blank brown screen
[01:10] <mazzabr> nictuku, : take a look: www.async.com.br
[01:10] <mazzabr> nictuku, : kiko is a mozilla key developer
[01:11] <scoon> s1x, i tried to get the deb's working but I had no luck.  It was just easier for me to use the .run
[01:11] <nictuku> hmm
[01:12] <mojo_> cwa2: I am not sure what you had it doing that would need it to touch base-passwd.  That would try to reinstall the default /etc/passwd and /etc/group files... which, of course, it should not be doing here...!!!
[01:13] <s1x> scoon: thx for the tip :)
[01:13] <mojo_> cwa2 you there?
[01:13] <cwa2> mojo: is there a way to backup whatever pkg list it's trying to go through, then do a clean reinstall?
[01:13] <scoon> s1x, np.  i wish i could use the deb's but they are just a PITA
[01:13] <s1x> scoon: yeah, it's a pitty :(
[01:13] <mojo_> cwa2: I am not sure about the backup pkg list but you can try this....
[01:14] <s1x> migration from xfree to xorg was flawless, very imprssive!
[01:14] <mojo_> cwa2: sudo apt-get clean  ((this will clean the archive of downloaded packages))
[01:14] <omoshiroi> Could the issue with the ATI drivers be that I am telling it to run in compatible operation mode?
[01:14] <mojo_> cwa2: sudo apt-get update  ((this will update the local list of packages against your download sources))
[01:14] <cwa2> mojo: done
[01:15] <omoshiroi> since I am going to be running WineX and such I thought that might be the thing to do, but it doesnt seem to be working properly.
[01:15] <mojo_> cwa2: sudo apt-get upgrade ((this will upgrade all your installed packages to current))
[01:15] <mojo_> cwa2: that last one may take a while.... just to warn you....
[01:15] <cwa2> mojo: unmet deps: libecal & libdataserver again :(
[01:16] <bj_> gcursor works, just you all know
[01:16] <shorty114> what does it mean when this happens when i do sudo apt-get upgrade:
[01:16] <shorty114> The following packages have been kept back:
[01:16] <shorty114>   linux-image-2.6-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386
[01:16] <shampoo> Hi everyone
[01:16] <cwa2> mojo: on gnome-panel again
[01:16] <mojo_> cwa2: the sudo apt-get upgrade command gives that error????
[01:16] <shampoo> how can I setup multiple WEP keys for multiple access points ?
[01:16] <cwa2> mojo: yep
[01:17] <shorty114> also, how would i change from GNOME to fluxbox?
[01:17] <mojo_> cw2: okay well try sudo apt-get install libecal and tell me if it succeeds or fails
[01:20] <cwa2> mojo: that complained about libedataserver3
[01:20] <mojo_> cwa2: hang on....
[01:20] <balt> hello everyone, i'm having a hart time trying to config my soundcard
[01:20] <cwa2> mojo: so then running install of libedataserver3 complains about gnome-panel and libecal6
[01:21] <cwa2> mojo: I wish there was a way to get the full error msg to you
[01:25] <shorty114> anyone?
[01:25] <balt> yes
[01:25] <shorty114> how would i switch from GNOME to fluxbox?
[01:25] <nictuku> does the author of the ubuntuguide come here often?
[01:25] <nictuku> shorty114: do you use gdm?
[01:26] <shorty114> i use the default one that comes w/ ubnuntu, which i believe is Gnome display manager...
[01:26] <mojo_> cw2: okay that is still stuff for evolution... heh... i wonder whats up with that...  just try sudo apt-get install libedataserver1.2-0 and tell me what that does
[01:28] <mojo_> cwa2: I used to do telephone support for a pharmacy software company when i got my start in tech support... i can cope with limited communications...
[01:28] <omoshiroi> would anyone be able to help me with a ATI driver install, fglrxconfig works, but once I get passed the config it wont load into X, anyone have any ideas of why this may be?
[01:29] <djtansey> has anyone installed beagle here in warty. preferably from some apt source?
[01:29] <omoshiroi> I am using warty btw.
[01:29] <cwa2> mojo: I used to do suppt. for Network Appliance, Legato & Sun...
[01:29] <cwa2> mojo: look at me now...
[01:29] <omoshiroi> I did support for comcast cable over the summer lol
[01:29] <mojo_> look at you now?
[01:29] <mojo_> cw2: oh... LOL forgot to read back.  Yeah, well... whatcha gonna do?
[01:30] <cwa2> mojo: can't get my own machine up. but then again I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A JOB IN THE PAST 5 YRS.
[01:30] <mojo_> cw2: I am not a linux expert either... but I believe in good karma, ya know?
[01:30] <cwa2> mojo: there are errors unpacking the pkgs
[01:31] <mojo_> cwa2: hmmm...  i wonder... what are your sources for apt?  lemme see where the file is...
[01:31] <cwa2> from trying apt-get -f install gnome-panel
[01:32] <nictuku> is there a gnome- alternative to babelfish? I'm on a dialup, it would take a lot of time to get all required libs, I guess.
[01:32] <nictuku> argh wrong channel hehe
[01:32] <mojo_> cw2: maybe look at your /etc/apt/sources.list and see if there is anything in there that does NOT say ubuntu....
[01:32] <sri|work> anybody know when the new tomboy is going to be put in hoary?
[01:32] <jdub> sri|work: erm, it is
[01:32] <cwa2> cwa2: yeah, there are
[01:33] <mojo_> cwa2: you any good with a command-line editor in linux?
[01:33] <jdub> sri|work: that's what's in hoary ;)
[01:33] <jdub> i'll ask tseng about doing a new version
[01:34] <sri|work> jdub, yeah, alex just released 0.3.0 today
[01:34] <mojo_> cwa2: cd to /etc/apt and sudo cp sources.list sources.list.backup so that you can recover from a goof-up.  Then fire up an editor and comment out the non-ubuntu sources with a hash mark (#).
[01:34] <mojo_> cwa2: after you do that, do the sudo apt-get clean and sudo apt-get update so that your download cache is emptied and you re-build the package list from the ubuntu-only sources.
[01:35] <sri|work> aha, an unofficial debian package..
[01:35] <sri|work> woo
[01:35] <sri|work>  http://luca.pca.it/debian/
[01:35] <cwa2> mojo: sounds like a winner
[01:35] <mojo_> cwa2: what we likely have here is a mismach with incompatible packages in a non-ubuntu source.
[01:35] <mojo_> cwa2: well the roller coaster is goin up and i can feel the excitement... let's hold our breath and see though...
[01:36] <cwa2> mojo: but i wonder if I can stop evolution, that may be why it has problems unpacking. It mentions a broken pipe
[01:36] <cwa2> mojo: ps-ef doesn't show evolution though, what's the process?
[01:36] <robertj> what is video mode SIF
[01:36] <mojo_> cwa2: broken pipe??  i don't know... let's just work on a clean sources.list and see if we can get your installation stable
[01:37] <cwa2> mojo: ok
[01:38] <cwa2> mojo: should I remove universe repsoitories?
[01:38] <cwa2> repositories, rather
[01:40] <mojo_> cwa2: that is a possibility, since they are pretty much duped straight from debian as I understand.  There were other things in there non-ubuntu though that you got rid of, right?
[01:40] <mojo_> cwa2: it's up to you .  The universe repositories are a possibility. But I have had no problems and most those evolution packages are installed on my system (not that I even use evolution, heh)
[01:41] <mojo_> cwa2: if you had other non-ubuntu ones in there i would suspect them first.
[01:41] <pe7er> hey, i'm wondering... is there any option to hide the mouse cursor when i'm using the keyboard? my os x does that and i've come to find it rather distracting to use the mouse only to move its cursor out of the way while i'm reading something. don't get me wrong, i like mice, i just want to hide the cursor when i'm using the keyboard...
[01:42] <mbp_> pe7er, try the 'unclutter' program
[01:42] <cwa2> mojo: OK, we might be getting somewhere. I got this after apt-get -f install: The following packages will be removed: gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-panel gnome-panel-data ubuntu-desktop
[01:42] <mbp_> it is not built in to gnome yet (though i wish it was)
[01:43] <cwa2> mojo: it comes to a continue prompt, which I haven't continued yet
[01:43] <pe7er> mdp_: thanks, i'll give it a look
[01:44] <mojo_> cwa2: what was the rest of the command line?
[01:44] <cwa2> mojo: you mean "apt-get -f install"? that was it
[01:45] <pe7er> *mbp_
[01:45] <mojo_> cwa2: stop that command
[01:45] <cwa2> mojo: aborted
[01:45] <mojo_> cwa2: first, do "sudo apt-get clean" to remove your cached packages.
[01:45] <cwa2> mojo: did that 1 1st already, then apt-get update
[01:46] <cwa2> mojo: then apt-get upgrade
[01:46] <mojo_> cwa2: second, do "sudo apt-get update" to update your package list from the now-edited list of ubuntu-only repositories
[01:46] <AndyR> nn ppl
[01:46] <mojo_> cwa2: okay... so apt-get upgrade... did it run through fine?
[01:46] <cwa2> mojo: which errored and recommended the apt-get -f install
[01:47] <mojo_> okay I am unfamiliar with doing apt-get -f install.  You did it with sudo, right?
[01:48] <mbp_> mojo_, yes
[01:48] <pe7er> er. and any idea how i can fix a broken python installation? i felt a little too adventerous, was desperate to fix a problem (was hardware caused, not software, though) and ... don't flame me no please .. mixed up hoary/warty repositories, now everything is in place again except that basic python2.3 package
[01:48] <cwa2> mojo: apt-get upgrade complains about gnome-panel depending upon libecal6 & libedataserver3 having unment dependencies, try using -f
[01:48] <mojo_> cw2: what was the problem that that the apt-get upgrade had when it recommended the other command?
[01:48] <pe7er> *now
[01:51] <mojo_> cwa2: okay... now try sudo apt-get install libecal then if that works, do the sudo apt-get install libedataserver1.2-0
[01:52] <cwa2> mojo: say libecal6 is unavailable, but it is referred to by another package
[01:52] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[01:52] <tfh> lo, i'm having trouble editing the menu how should i do that ?
[01:53] <cwa2> mojo: I think it's not in those repos
[01:54] <mojo_> cwa2: did you leave the universe repositories in or out?
[01:55] <cwa2> mojo: unis are in
[01:56] <mojo_> cwa2: libecal6...  it looks like my stuff is all 1.2 stuff
[01:56] <mojo_> cw2: if you switch to the other screen and up-arrow to go through your command history, what was the command you ran that wanted to remove gnome-panel and all?
[01:57] <mojo_> cw2: you remember?
[01:57] <mojo_> cw2: it was right after you edited the sources.list file.
[01:57] <pe7er> tfh: nautilus applications:///
[01:58] <pe7er> tfh: just like... windows... start menu, most stuff is there
[01:58] <tfh> pe7er, i tried it but whenever i tried creating a new launcher nothing was created is there any permissions on those files ?
[01:58] <pe7er> tfh: sure, but they should be in place. do not sudo for that
[01:59] <cwa2> mojo: apt-get -f upgrade
[02:00] <mojo_> cwa2: okay try it again, but let it remove stuff.  Just keep a list of what it may remove.
[02:00] <tfh> pe7er, doesn't ubuntu autoadd icons when u install an app ?
[02:01] <mojo_> cwa2: I have a feeling it will remove them only to re-install them afterwords
[02:01] <cwa2> mojo: for gnome-panel* it's deferring scrollkeeper... I missed it
[02:01] <JConnell> Is there a way to take a screenshot of only the active window in gnome?
[02:02] <JConnell> And not the whole screen
[02:02] <shorty114> *cough* gimp *cough* ;)
[02:02] <JConnell> Thats what I'm doing know, but trying to avoid :D
[02:02] <JConnell> now*
[02:02] <pe7er> tfh: most of the time, not always. some packages don't come with menu settings
[02:03] <mebaran> Anybody here having major problems with their Evolution Contacts
[02:04] <mebaran> as in it wont load any vcards or addressbooks
[02:04] <mebaran> or let me delete my old address books
[02:05] <pe7er> tfh: this applies to the universe repository for example, if not most specifically
[02:05] <froust> When I'm upgrading from warty to hoary, is there anything I should look out for?
[02:06] <tfh> pe7er, ok thanks, i'm trying to add an icon for psi and remove gaim
[02:06] <tfh> if i remove game i remove ubuntu-desktop, is that package necessary , what does it do ?
[02:07] <pe7er> froust: upgrading should be painless, but think twice, you can't go back
[02:07] <pe7er> (or it takes a hell lot of a work)
[02:07] <froust> Gotcha
[02:07] <cutterjohn> (heh heh)
[02:07] <cwa2> mojo: OK, now I have a debian login instead of Ubuntu
[02:08] <cutterjohn> Is there any sort of minimal path to go from warty to hoary? (dialup)
[02:08] <mojo_> cwa2: okay debian login screen in x?
[02:08] <pe7er> tfh: did you make it?
[02:08] <cutterjohn> (i.e. and still have a mostly working system)
[02:08] <omoshiroi> gotta love X crashing on you lol
[02:09] <cwa2> mojo: GOAL!!!!!
[02:09] <geppy> Since I've started using Ubuntu, I've had Firefox crash pretty often whenever I'm viewing a page on xanga.com.  As much as I despise Xanga, lots of my friends put pictures and such up on it, so I'm compelled to check them frequently.  Any suggestions?
[02:09] <mojo_> cwa2:  awesome.!  So you can log in to the desktop?
[02:09] <cwa2> mojo: it works!
[02:09] <tfh> pe7er, no i didn't remove gaim becquse i didn't know about ubuntu-desktop
[02:09] <mebaran> tfh: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package
[02:09] <mebaran> it is used to makes sure all the desktop stuff gets installed
[02:10] <cwa2> mojo: I wish I could send you a case
[02:10] <pe7er> yeah, it's scary when synaptic tells you it removes ubuntu-desktop
[02:10] <cwa2> mojo: you're n the Sili Valley?
[02:10] <tfh> mebaran, ok so if it uninstalls itself because of dependencies it's not too bad
[02:10] <mojo_> cwa2: a case?
[02:10] <cutterjohn> mebaran: so everything that is referenced by the meta-package, will also want to remove that meta package when they are removed?
[02:10] <cwa2> mojo: of beer or something
[02:10] <geppy> cutterjohn: Right.
[02:10] <mojo_> cwa2:  I live in IL near STL... but anyway I don't want anything...
[02:11] <cutterjohn> geppy: thx. handy to know, as I'm not at all familiar with apt.
[02:11] <cwa2> mojo: I have a brother in STL, THANKS though
[02:11] <geppy> cutterjohn:  You're most welcome.  =)
[02:11] <omoshiroi> hmm, cedega REALLY doesnt like being run in windowed mode...
[02:11] <mojo_> cwa2: I say it all balances out with the universe somehow.  You feel grateful, keep it in mind when you're in a position to help someone else.  That's thanks enough for me
[02:11] <cwa2> mojo: I wasn't to tears yet, but my shoulders are very bunched up
[02:11] <geppy> omoshiroi:  Cedega doesn't like Ubuntu, as far as I've noted.
[02:12] <cutterjohn> on a related note, I saw a page regarding debian binary deltas? has this ever been really implemented? is it likely for ubuntu if it has?
[02:12] <omoshiroi> to the point where it is lagging my entire computer and I cant log into Wow to put it back to fulslcreen.
[02:12] <geppy> Yes, you can isntall debian binaries.
[02:12] <tfh> just tried to upgrade from warty to hoary it crashed on gimp2
[02:12] <geppy> Any ideas on the xanga crashing firefox situation?  I've been wondering if it has to do with how many xangas use a hackish approach to play mp3s.
[02:12] <cwa2> I wonder if the ubuntu-desktop provides any extra functionality?
[02:13] <geppy> tfh:  I just put the hoary repo's in my sources.list, and did apt-get upgrade;  no problems.
[02:13] <geppy> cwa2:  No.
[02:13] <mojo_> cwa2: Well I am happy for you... Trust me, I know the feeling.  I was stuck w/a console for a couple days once myself.  And I'm pretty new to linux.
[02:13] <mebaran> haha
[02:13] <mebaran> mojo_: me too
[02:13] <mebaran> I entered before they fixed gnome panel
[02:13] <cwa2> I must get lynx now though
[02:13] <mebaran> I got very good at Bash
[02:13] <mebaran> command line AIM and ICQ is doable through naim
[02:13] <cutterjohn> or links if its in the repo...
[02:13] <mebaran> Naim is a very good program
[02:13] <mebaran> who would have though
[02:13] <mebaran> t
[02:14] <pe7er> tfh: hell no. listen to someone who burned his fingers. don't upgrade to hoary unless you have a specific reason. take a look a at ubuntu-bp.sf.net instead and add its repositories. will keep you in a happier condition.
[02:14] <geppy> pe7er:  Agreed, but gnome 2.8.10 is _pretty_
[02:14] <mojo_> cw2: LOL - yes, a text browser.... that would come in handy
[02:14] <mebaran> geppy: I agree
[02:14] <randabis-laptop> gnome 2.10 is gonna rock
[02:14] <cutterjohn> mojo_: almost always use the for docs...
[02:14] <mebaran> sometimes testing bugs makes you feel useful
[02:14] <geppy> randabis:  Much agreed!
[02:14] <mebaran> i enjoy being a tester
[02:15] <keyshawn> hi. I'm scared, confused - my ubuntu crashed for the 1st time ! What logs can I look into to see what happened ?
[02:15] <cutterjohn> (so, I really missed no lynx or links...)
[02:15] <geppy> mebaran:  As do I.  =D
[02:15] <randabis-laptop> I'll keep xfce for this laptop
[02:15] <mojo_> cutterjohn: "the for docs"?
[02:15] <geppy> keyshawn:  How did it crash?  Did it freeze?  Did X die?  Did you get "AAEEE!!!!!" from the kernel?
[02:15] <mebaran> xfce rocks
[02:15] <randabis-laptop> 2.9.4 is running very well on the main box though
[02:15] <pe7er> keyshan /var/log/syslog
[02:15] <cutterjohn> mojo_: textual html browsers
[02:15] <mebaran> more then all the others together
[02:15] <keyshawn> what happened was the screen blinked.
[02:15] <mebaran> well at least I like it
[02:16] <geppy> Are the Ubuntu backports reasonably stable?
[02:16] <keyshawn> and then the screen came back up with all of the graphics coming up as 'smirred' like
[02:16] <mojo_> cutterjohn: OIC.  Yes... I guess I never played with any textual browsers yet.
[02:16] <geppy> And, more importantly, are they open to submissions?
[02:16] <JConnell> Very stable geppy
[02:16] <omoshiroi> geppyy wh ydo oyu sa ycedega doesnt like  ubuntu?
[02:16] <skreet_> Could someone recommend a good KDE based Debian based OS? Ubuntu with KDE = lots of root issues.
[02:16] <cutterjohn> mojo_: text based browsers like links or lynx are just too painful for general web use any more...
[02:16] <geppy> JConnell:  Thanks.  =)
[02:16] <pe7er> keyshawn: also you can always load an app from the terminal and watch its debug output
[02:16] <omoshiroi> rofl thats how much its lagging me!
[02:16] <cwa2> well I do see 1 + for having the ubuntu-desktop- menus
[02:17] <cwa2> no panel
[02:17] <mojo_> skreet_: Lots of ppl seem to like MEPIS... There is also a Kubuntu, as they call it, being worked on.
[02:17] <keyshawn> pe7er, I Know that, though im not sure how that will help in this situation...
[02:17] <geppy> skreet:  Try one of the commercial alternatives.  There are tons of fantastic commercial Debian-based KDE distros.
[02:17] <mojo_> screet: but I don't know much about kubuntu
[02:17] <randabis-laptop> skreet mepis
[02:17] <pe7er> keyshawn: you're propably right
[02:17] <skreet_> Okay I"ll check those options out, thanks guys
[02:17] <pe7er> keyshawn: what did you run?
[02:17] <geppy> skreet:  Linspire, ermm.... can't think of the other names... but they're pretty nice.  I would use them, if it weren't for the whole "I don't like KDE" thing.
[02:17] <cutterjohn> btw: if anyone is interested I did get monodevelop up and going: one when the authors say to use ./configure --prefix=/usr they mean it, and two it is still a little flakey(warty/1.0.1-whatever is in the repo mono)
[02:17] <keyshawn> programs @ the time ? gaim, open office, and firefox
[02:17] <skreet_> I thought I had /home mounted to a different partition :( I just realized I didnt now I'm goin gto cry
[02:18] <randabis-laptop> aww
[02:18] <randabis-laptop> I did that before by accident too
[02:18] <randabis-laptop> luckily I have two drives in the main box
[02:18] <geppy> skreet:  Ouch!  My most heartfelt condolences!  I've done the same... =/
[02:18] <mojo_> cwa2: you may still have to install some ubuntu stuff like ubuntu-desktop yet.  Maybe you should do that from command line while NOT logged in the X/GDM though... =D
[02:19] <pe7er> keyshawn: i faced *lots* of troubles because my overly sensible a7v-133 played tricks on me, i'd check for some hardware based issues first. gaim, ooo and firefox /shouldn't/ cause such troubles.
[02:19] <cutterjohn> (or the X server? :)
[02:19] <keyshawn> ahh...
[02:19] <keyshawn> thanks for the info.
[02:20] <keyshawn> [i haven't had any probs with hardware at all thus far]  [i've had ubuntu installed for a week]
[02:21] <cutterjohn> (oddly enough, I've NEVER had hardware related problems on any of my linux systems, but from what I recall reading in the past flakey memory and/or overclocking used to be primary hardware related problems)
[02:22] <pe7er> keyshawn: in my case i had to set the voltage supply for this geforce2 to 3.30 volts although it ran fine with the default (but wrong) 3.45 volts for years
[02:23] <keyshawn> k
[02:23] <keyshawn> btw, is there any way to retrace my sites in firefox, besides history
[02:23] <geppy> keyshawn:  autocomplete?
[02:23] <keyshawn> i was on a site when it crashed, and forget the same of the site.
[02:24] <geppy> keyshawn:  Did it not get recorded in the history?  I wouldn't know of another way to look it up.
[02:24] <keyshawn> autocomplete worked.
[02:24] <keyshawn> thanks.
[02:24] <keyshawn> [took a few guesses to figure out what letter it began with]
[02:24] <skreet_> does vanilla debian come with any pre-setup GUI or is it bare?
[02:24] <geppy> Does the Ubuntu Backports project not provide sources?
[02:24] <elocal> what dev lib contains make[2] : *** No rule to make target `midi.c', needed by `midi.o'.  Stop. in ubuntu?
[02:25] <geppy> skreet_ You have to install one.  You have to install *everything*
[02:25] <skreet_> hehe.
[02:25] <pe7er> geppy: not via repository at least
[02:25] <skreet_> Sound slike fun. *sigh*
[02:25] <geppy> =)
[02:25] <geppy> pe7er:  Do you know if they provide them elsewhere?
[02:25] <emz> hi can i have a linksys wireless usb network adapter linked to ubuntu
[02:25] <pe7er> geppy: sorry, now, but, ehrm, propably. have you chacked the sourceforge cvs?
[02:26] <pe7er> *sorry, don't know, but...
[02:26] <geppy> pe7er:  No, I'll check it out now.  thanks.
[02:26] <cutterjohn> pe7er: you can't apt-get source package-xyz?
[02:26] <cutterjohn> (command line)
[02:26] <haakonn_> yow, any modem (dialup) users here? looking for feedback on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=ddf3e3bbb5ffb61d8502ec7751eae6c3&t=11639 </spam> :)
[02:26] <geppy> cutterjohn:  No, deb-src doesn't fetch
[02:26] <skreet_> geppy: Whats the console command to install a package *and* all requirements?
[02:26] <skreet_> I figured you might know.
[02:26] <geppy> skreet: sudo apt-get install package
[02:27] <skreet_> apt-get install will do it?
[02:27] <skreet_> Okay
[02:27] <geppy> skreet:  That's the reason people use Debian.  Apt determines dependencies.
[02:27] <geppy> =)
[02:27] <skreet_> Cool
[02:27] <skreet_> Thanks, Ithink I'm gonna take a swing and doing debian.
[02:27] <gen> ..
[02:27] <pe7er> cutterjohn: at least blindly guessed deb-src repositories returned error messages
[02:28] <cutterjohn> dialup: can't say much other than I've seen those very same recomendations before.  Personally, I've got mine manually setup and use wvdial directly...
[02:29] <geppy> pe7er:  I'm checking the depository via firefox, not seeing sources.  I'm not seeing cvs info on their sourceforge, nor am I seeing anything on their sourceforge project.  Perhaps the project leader should be notified of various GPL stipulations?  =)
[02:29] <cutterjohn>  apt-get source ncftp
[02:29] <cutterjohn> Reading Package Lists... Done
[02:29] <cutterjohn> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[02:29] <cutterjohn> Need to get 513kB of source archives.
[02:29] <cutterjohn> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe ncftp 2:3.1.7-1 (dsc) [587B]
[02:29] <cutterjohn> Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe ncftp 2:3.1.7-1 (tar) [504kB]
[02:29] <cutterjohn> 4% [2 ncftp 21573/504kB 4%]
[02:29] <cutterjohn> looks like it works
[02:30] <pe7er> skreet_: you can also check out knoppix, i don't like it too much (one-person based project), but its debian and is kde
[02:30] <geppy> Danke!
[02:30] <skreet_> I tried knoppix once and I dont remember why but I didnt like it.
[02:30] <skreet_> I think I'm going to build up a debian system.
[02:30] <skreet_> after I figure out what i'm going to do with my files :(
[02:30] <geppy> cutterjohn:  I didn't realize that they were in the regular depository...  Firefox is obnoxious about cutting the filenames off in directories.  Hmph, I'll just have to use lynx, next time.  =)
[02:30] <mackenzie> that is enjoyable
[02:31] <geppy> skreet:  Why not use Mepis?
[02:31] <cutterjohn> :)
[02:31] <geppy> =)
[02:31] <cutterjohn> geppy: I only knew for pretty much certain since I originally manually edited my apt/sources.list file
[02:31] <cutterjohn> geppy: and I have no clue as how to force synaptic to grab sources
[02:31] <gangalino> anyone know of a desktop RSS-grabber/reader?
[02:32] <geppy> cutterjohn:  heh.  I've never used synaptic.  =)
[02:32] <skyrider> gangalino: iferea
[02:32] <skyrider> gangalino: liferea
[02:32] <cutterjohn> geppy: ah, I've had to manually grab stuff or use crappy old yum for so long that a GUI package/grabber/installer is a blessing... like being on OSX w/fink commander
[02:32] <mojo_> geppy: doesn't the reload button do that?
[02:33] <cutterjohn> geppy: or worse grab raw packages and build with no nifty tools like checkinstall...
[02:33] <geppy> cutterjohn:  haha
[02:33] <geppy> mojo:  Wait, do what?
[02:33] <geppy> cutterjohn:  haha... yeah
[02:33] <cutterjohn> geppy: almost as bad as the bad old days of depency hell...
[02:33] <cutterjohn> er... dependency
[02:33] <geppy> cutterjohn:  hahaha... not so old, for some of us recent FC converts.  =)
[02:34] <mojo_> geppy: oh, sry... i thought the 'reload' button on the toolbar in synaptic was the same as doing apt-get update (reload pkg lists from repositories)
[02:34] <mojo_> geppy: but I don't know for, like, 100% or anything.
[02:34] <geppy> mojo:  Oh.  I don't know anything about Synaptic.  I'm afraid to touch it.
[02:34] <cutterjohn> geppy: wow, I thought that RPM had been pretty much improved lately... but I've primarily run my linux on powerpc macs, and mostly only ran x86s as servers with FreeBSD as my main server...
[02:34] <mojo_> geppy: that is what it seems to do
[02:35] <pe7er> any idea how i can fix this python which says "ImportError: No module named warnings"? i know i screwed it up, but i miss my nicotine badly
[02:35] <cutterjohn> geppy: just to clarify, I was speaking of 7 or so years ago in my original dependency hell comment
[02:35] <geppy> cutterjohn:  RPM really _is_ improving, but the packagers are getting worse.
[02:35] <geppy> cutterjohn:  Understood.  =)
[02:35] <mojo_> geppy: synaptic seems to be a gui front end to the apt pkg manager... so apt is what's doing the work underneath.  That is how I understand it, anyways...
[02:36] <geppy> mojo:  Right, I just hate not being able to upgrade from CTRL-ALT-F2  =)
[02:36] <cutterjohn> geppy: what is CTRL-ALT-F2?
[02:36] <cutterjohn> virtual console?
[02:36] <geppy> cutterjohn:  Right.
[02:36] <hgjjjjjjjh> hi all
[02:36] <elocal> make[2] : Entering directory `/home/elocal/.WineCVS/sources/cvscedega/winex/dlls/winmm/winealsa'
[02:36] <elocal> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `midi.c', needed by `midi.o'.  Stop.
[02:36] <elocal> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/elocal/.WineCVS/sources/cvscedega/winex/dlls/winmm/winealsa'
[02:36] <skreet_> is there a way to mount an ftp:// location to a directory.
[02:36] <elocal> any cvs cedega users?
[02:36] <geppy> elocal:  No!
[02:37] <geppy> elocal:  DON'T BUILD FROM CVS!
[02:37] <elocal> geppy, why?
[02:37] <cutterjohn> heh heh
[02:37] <Cindux> Anyone here used Cobind Desktop /
[02:37] <Cindux> or Damn Small Linux ?
[02:37] <wastrel> never heard of it.
[02:37] <Cindux> :O
[02:37] <princemackenzie> ive used damn small before
[02:37] <mojo_> geppy: yeah...     It lacks copy protection.  It's almost impossible to build.  It NEVER works.  It won't run anything.  Buying a subscription costs $15, and you'll get _plenty_ of bang for you buck.
[02:37] <geppy> elocal:  It's not bleeding edge.
[02:37] <Cindux> lol bla
[02:38] <geppy> elocal: It's stupid.
[02:38] <Cindux> I'm completly new to Linux
[02:38] <geppy> mojo:  =)
[02:38] <Cindux> besides a few hours with damn small / cobind
[02:38] <cutterjohn> skreet: your best bet is to probably use a regular command line or GUI ftp only client, e.g. gFTP, ncftp, etc
[02:38] <Cindux> just wondering what exactly X means
[02:38] <princemackenzie> damn small is awesome in a 1995 toshiba laptop
[02:38] <Cindux> how some programs have xbla etc
[02:38] <geppy> mojo:  On Linux, though, you shouldn't ever have problems with installing over programs in use.
[02:38] <princemackenzie> X is the nickname for the graphical interface
[02:39] <Cindux> blink blink
[02:39] <geppy> Argh, I shouldn't have fired up IRC as I sat down to do my homework....
[02:39] <Cindux> GUI ?
[02:39] <geppy> I'm out of here, guys.
[02:39] <geppy> Cindux:  Yes.
[02:39] <princemackenzie> yes
[02:39] <Cindux> ic lol
[02:39] <princemackenzie> more like, whats behing the gui
[02:39] <cutterjohn> GUI = windows, buttons, etc, sort of
[02:39] <princemackenzie> gnome, KDE, etc lay on top of X
[02:39] <elocal> geppy, it is bleeding edge, and it compiles fine Gentoo...
[02:39] <Cindux> oh
[02:39] <Cindux> So i have Fluxbox running on top of X
[02:39] <mojo_> cindux:  X is the underlying framework, XWindows developed orig at MIT if I remember right
[02:39] <Cindux> and on Cobin Gnome
[02:39] <princemackenzie> yes.
[02:40] <pe7er> Cindux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System
[02:40] <princemackenzie> that would be a correct statement
[02:40] <cutterjohn> yes, flux is nice and MISSING from ubuntu repo(!)
[02:40] <Cindux> oy thanks
[02:40] <princemackenzie> i know!
[02:40] <princemackenzie> there is some antiqauted version in universe i think
[02:40] <princemackenzie> like 0.11
[02:40] <cutterjohn> not for powerpc, only blackbox
[02:40] <Cindux> hm
[02:40] <wastrel> i think because flux is newer than the debian repository that warty is based on.
[02:40] <jdub> cutterjohn: fluxbox is in universe
[02:40] <mojo_> cindux: On "top" of X you run a graphic display manager (gdm), and over the GDM your desktop environment's collection of programs runs.
[02:41] <Cindux> oh ic
[02:41] <jdub> mojo_: not quite, gdm just starts the desktop environment :)
[02:41] <cutterjohn> jdub: hmmm, did a search this afternoon in synaptic for flux(name & desc) no hit for fluxbox
[02:41] <dieg1> mojo_: way to leave out "window manager" and "graphical toolkit" :P
[02:41] <wastrel> eh
[02:41] <princemackenzie> maybe "top" isn't the best term
[02:41] <princemackenzie> the wikipedia link is good tho
[02:41] <jdub> cutterjohn: did you enable the universe repository?
[02:41] <cutterjohn> jdub: or do you mean hoary universe?
[02:41] <wastrel> well it's not really necessary for a user to know this
[02:41] <Cindux> hm
[02:42] <cutterjohn> jdub: yep, all plus a break or two
[02:42] <Cindux> Can anyone recommend a distro ?
[02:42] <Cindux> Preferably for somenoe who does ALOT of web design
[02:42] <mojo_> LOL okay I am sure there are ppl who can explain it better than I
[02:42] <Cindux> and wants to have the option of programming
[02:42] <cutterjohn> jdub: was thinking of grabbing cvs and sudo make checkinstall make install in
[02:42] <jdub> cutterjohn: universe for whichever version you're running
[02:42] <cutterjohn> g
[02:42] <dieg1> Cindux: ubuntu seems to be the distro of choice of this channel for some reason
[02:42] <mojo_> dieg1: LOL
[02:42] <Cindux> hm
[02:42] <wastrel> heh
[02:42] <Cindux> I'm on the Gnoppix website
[02:43] <jdub> Cindux: gnoppix is now based on ubuntu :)
[02:43] <wastrel> gnoppix is a bootable distro not for installation
[02:43] <jdub> Cindux: www.ubuntu.com
[02:43] <Cindux> so it doesnt have4 the option for an HD install ?
[02:43] <Cindux> oh yes im on both jdub :D
[02:43] <wastrel> Cindux: not when i last used it.
[02:43] <jdub> Cindux: grab the ubuntu install cd
[02:44] <wastrel> which was, admittedly, a while ago.
[02:44] <Cindux> bla
[02:44] <cutterjohn> jdub: find: fluxconf & libflux0
[02:44] <cutterjohn> jdub: no client
[02:44] <jdub> cutterjohn: warty or hoary?
[02:44] <cutterjohn> jdub: warty
[02:45] <princemackenzie> when i installed flux, i couldn't do anything
[02:45] <mebaran> My Evolution is still dead
[02:45] <jdub> perhaps it didn't build correctly in warty
[02:45] <mebaran> anyone have any ideas
[02:45] <skreet> Anyone know why I cant write files to my folder while FTP'd into my vsftp server?
[02:45] <mebaran> on AMD64
[02:45] <jdub> it's available in hoary
[02:45] <diego> mebaran: yeah i have a couple ideas...quit abusing the enter key and describe "dead"
[02:45] <mebaran> gnome-applets and gdesklets are done
[02:45] <cutterjohn> jdub: eh, not up to warty-> hoary over dialup quite yet...
[02:45] <mebaran> oh sorry
[02:45] <jdub> cutterjohn: mm, not a great idea ;)
[02:45] <Cindux> oh that was another thing
[02:45] <jdub> cutterjohn: perhaps pull the fluxbox source package and see why it fails
[02:45] <skyrider> Hi guys. I'm using Warty and right now I try to build psycopg-1.1.18 from sources (because I need PostgreSQL database adapter for Zope) and I have a little problem: when I run configure it ends up with error message "checking for mxDateTime.h... configure: error: can't build without mx headers". It's obvious that there is some kind of development package not installed but I can't find what exactly. In Warty's repository there is only one package python2
[02:46] <mebaran> the enter key is my friend, but anyway Evolution wont let me import load or edit my contacts
[02:46] <Cindux> i386,AMD64 & PowerPC
[02:46] <jdub> skyrider: psycopg is in universe
[02:46] <Cindux> wuh im confused
[02:46] <cutterjohn> jdub: see if I can get some broadband access when I really need to update... src: good idea
[02:46] <Cindux> i thought og intel 386 at first
[02:48] <skyrider> jdub: I know that, but actually I need zope-psycopgda which is part of psycopg source package.
[02:48] <Cindux> oy
[02:48] <cutterjohn> jdub: source is there, but its WAY older than the earliest version that I've ever used of fluxbox, positively stale (I usually grab the latest CVS every so often, never had a major problem with fluxbox & CVS versions)
[02:48] <princemackenzie> cindux: what about the intel 386
[02:49] <phuzzy> i hope someone can help me
[02:49] <phuzzy> does anyone know how to install a USB Printer?
[02:49] <princemackenzie> sure
[02:49] <princemackenzie> what type of printer is it?
[02:49] <princemackenzie> brand
[02:49] <phuzzy> HP Deskjet 3520
[02:49] <princemackenzie> okay
[02:49] <princemackenzie> turn it on and hook it up
[02:50] <phuzzy> it's already hooked up
[02:50] <princemackenzie> go to computer > system config > printers
[02:50] <Cindux> bla intel 386 ?
[02:50] <Cindux> oh
[02:50] <phuzzy> ok
[02:50] <phuzzy> did that
[02:50] <skyrider> jdub: I can't use packages from universe because I use Zope that I built from source by myself ('cause I want to use newer version that is available for Warty)
[02:50] <princemackenzie> add a printer
[02:50] <phuzzy> new printer?
[02:50] <princemackenzie> double click
[02:50] <princemackenzie> new printer
[02:50] <princemackenzie> srt
[02:50] <phuzzy> ok
[02:50] <princemackenzie> sry
[02:51] <phuzzy> it's cool
[02:51] <Cindux> I wanted to download and try Gnoppix Development Version Hoary
[02:51] <phuzzy> alright
[02:51] <Cindux> it says its made for i386,AMD64 & powerpc
[02:51] <Cindux> i dont understand = /
[02:51] <Cindux> i think i do anyway
[02:51] <phuzzy> i did that
[02:51] <wastrel> skyrider: apt-cache search mx | grep mx | grep python   anything in there look likely?
[02:51] <princemackenzie> does it detect it?
[02:51] <phuzzy> no
[02:52] <phuzzy> it says no detected printers
[02:52] <princemackenzie> okay
[02:52] <diego> Cindux: those refer to architectures...i386 is the arch for most of the intel's and amd's out there
[02:52] <princemackenzie> select add a local printer and press on
[02:52] <Cindux> hm
[02:52] <phuzzy> turn the printer off?
[02:52] <princemackenzie> no
[02:52] <princemackenzie> im sorry
[02:52] <phuzzy> it's ok
[02:52] <Cindux> I'm downloading it now :P
[02:53] <princemackenzie> like, select "local printer"
[02:53] <Cindux> its a live distro anyway so meh
[02:53] <Cindux> thanks
[02:53] <phuzzy> ok i selected that
[02:53] <princemackenzie> and then go "forward"
[02:53] <thenuke> hummh, slackware does not want to install :I
[02:53] <phuzzy> alright
[02:53] <phuzzy> should i select a port?
[02:53] <thenuke> I wonder if I should try archlinux too
[02:53] <billytwowilly> any idea why the gnome menus don't show the crossover office stuff that should be in there now?
[02:53] <diego> thenuke: this doesn't sound like the right channel to ask for slackware help in
[02:53] <thenuke> does someone has any opinions on archlinux?
[02:53] <cutterjohn> er, quick apt-source question:  where does apt dump the sources?
[02:53] <skyrider> wastrel: Thanks!  In kernel 2.6.10, my 3ware card no longer works right.
[02:56] <mebaran> do it as root
[02:56] <mebaran> it wont hurt
[02:56] <wasabi> The 3ware utilities can't detect it.
[02:56] <cutterjohn> 8)
[02:56] <wasabi> Oh, probably device file related some how.
[02:56] <phuzzy> ok i did that now what
[02:56] <princemackenzie> try the add printer thing again
[02:57] <princemackenzie> see if USB is an option
[02:57] <princemackenzie> right mebaran?
[02:57] <phuzzy> ok... it's still not an option
[02:57] <skreet_> setting up an ftp server sure is a pain in the arse.
[02:58] <mebaran> yeah
[02:58] <thenuke> skreet_: does not have to be :)
[02:58] <mebaran> princemackenzie: I would do so
[02:58] <mebaran> let me check my modules
[02:58] <thenuke> skreet_: just use simple enough software
[02:58] <skreet_> thenuke: please explain :D
[02:58] <phuzzy> that doesn't appear to have done anything
[02:59] <mebaran> hmmmm
[02:59] <mebaran> that fixed it for me
[02:59] <thenuke> skreet_: I sure would if I just knew some simple ftp-server ;D  heh, Well, I do have seen such in damn small linux, I just dont remember what it's name was
[02:59] <mebaran> go into your dev file system
[02:59] <mebaran> no wiat dont
[02:59] <phuzzy> ok
[02:59] <mebaran> nohting there
[02:59] <mebaran> actually do so
[02:59] <thenuke> skreet_: this sounds pretty simple http://www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/ftp-server.htm
[02:59] <phuzzy> ok
[02:59] <mebaran> tell me if you have anything like lp0
[03:00] <phuzzy> yea i do
[03:00] <princemackenzie> im looking something up, brb
[03:01] <skreet_> it's been too long since i've done linux man, I forgot all that console stuffs :(
[03:01] <mebaran> phuzzy
[03:01] <mebaran> try using the paralell port
[03:01] <Pluk> nice learning curve
[03:01] <mebaran> it might just route ok
[03:01] <phuzzy> alright
[03:02] <phuzzy> well, last night i tried deleting /dev/lp0 and making it a symbolic link to /dev/usb/lp0
[03:02] <phuzzy> then installing it as a Parallel printer... that didn't do anything though
[03:04] <mebaran> phuzzy naughty
[03:04] <phuzzy> was that bad?
[03:04] <princemackenzie> i think so
[03:04] <mebaran> dont play with udev
[03:04] <mebaran> udev is very dynamic
[03:04] <mebaran> it might not be able to creat the correct link now
[03:04] <mebaran> because you removed its own routing system
[03:04] <phuzzy> oh great
[03:04] <bob2> it will recreate it fine
[03:04] <mebaran> I am unsure how to fix it
[03:04] <bob2> on the next reboot if nothing else
[03:04] <mebaran> oh it will
[03:04] <mebaran> cool
[03:05] <mebaran> you should ask bob2
[03:05] <phuzzy> so i just need to restart my system?
[03:05] <mebaran> he might be able to solve it
[03:05] <Cindux> Is anyone here using or has used Cobind Desktop ?
[03:05] <mdz> phuzzy: "sudo udevstart" should recreate it
[03:05] <mdz> phuzzy: assuming you deleted the symlink
[03:05] <phuzzy> i deleted /dev/lp0
[03:05] <skreet_> how do you set it so the permissions you give a dir are applied to subdirs created?
[03:06] <phuzzy> should i try sudo udevstart?
[03:06] <princemackenzie> can't say i have Cindux
[03:06] <phuzzy> sweet! it's a different color now
[03:06] <Cindux> bla
[03:06] <Cindux> lol
[03:06] <phuzzy> it's the color it was before i deleted it lol
[03:07] <phuzzy> ok, let me try this then
[03:07] <Cindux> Well what about the window manager Gnome ?
[03:07] <princemackenzie> i noticed Cobind isn't even on the DistroWatch top 100
[03:08] <Cindux> lol
[03:08] <phuzzy> ok
[03:08] <phuzzy> that didn't work
[03:08] <Cindux> well i installed it yesterday
[03:08] <Cindux> VERY ez install
[03:08] <Cindux> and it looks generally excellent
[03:08] <princemackenzie> it looks quite friendly
[03:08] <Cindux> well i just started with linux 2 weeks ago :P
[03:08] <princemackenzie> seems to be in the linspire/xandros vein
[03:08] <Cindux> and i understood it all
[03:08] <pd> anyone using XFCE 4.2 now?
[03:08] <Pluk> pd i do
[03:08] <Cindux> it looks slick :P
[03:09] <princemackenzie> it does
[03:09] <princemackenzie> so what about Gnome Cindux?
[03:09] <Cindux> um i was j/w
[03:09] <Cindux> you know the bar usually at the bottom in the center
[03:09] <Cindux> with "shortcuts" i think they are
[03:09] <princemackenzie> okay
[03:09] <princemackenzie> like, the taskbar is windows?
[03:10] <princemackenzie> in
[03:10] <phuzzy> bob2: do you have any ideas?
[03:10] <Cindux> ye
[03:10] <Cindux> i was j/w if its ok to remove some of those shortcuts
[03:10] <princemackenzie> lol yes
[03:10] <Cindux> er not exactly
[03:10] <Cindux> um not remove
[03:10] <pd> wonder if i should just use the backports of XFCE
[03:10] <Cindux> but how could i use my own icons for some of them ?
[03:10] <pd> or use the other debs
[03:10] <princemackenzie> sure thing
[03:10] <cutterjohn> Pluk: from hoary, or did you build it yourself?
[03:10] <princemackenzie> its ez
[03:10] <mebaran> Anyone experiencing problems with Evolution contacts?
[03:11] <princemackenzie> you are using gnome now, right?
[03:11] <Cindux> yezzor
[03:11] <cthulfuego> mebaran: No, but the default version in hoary seems to fuxk up my filters, so i haven't gotten around to running it properly.
[03:12] <princemackenzie> right-click on the shortcut and go to properties... then click the icon and point at what you rather use.
[03:12] <phuzzy> mebaran: do you have any other ideas?
[03:12] <Cindux> oh
[03:12] <Cindux> so i just slip into a DIR
[03:12] <Cindux> and then show it where it is
[03:12] <princemackenzie> yes.
[03:12] <Cindux> oy thanks
[03:12] <Cindux> AND lol
[03:12] <mebaran> the default version in Hoary for me wont let me add remove view or use contacts or contact directories
[03:12] <mebaran> basically leaves it useless
[03:12] <Pluk> cutterjohn, i used a outside repo
[03:12] <mebaran> as I cant add anything ot use it
[03:12] <Pluk> just lemme look
[03:12] <Cindux> It came with finance software and i dont know how to uninstall it
[03:12] <Cindux> i want it off :(
[03:12] <robertj> is there a ubuntu sed channel?
[03:13] <robertj> so many hoary related questions it seems
[03:13] <phuzzy> does ANYONE have any other ideas?
[03:13] <princemackenzie> phuzzy: i can't think of something
[03:13] <cutterjohn> robertj: yes, ALWAYS have to make sure that you specify version, ow it gets very confusing...
[03:13] <mebaran> me enither
[03:13] <wastrel> other ideas about what?
[03:13] <mebaran> I am stumped
[03:13] <princemackenzie> other than doing something drastic like a reinstall =\
[03:14] <mebaran> phuzzy can't install his printer
[03:14] <mebaran> reinstall tends to fix nothing
[03:14] <wastrel> heh printing.
[03:14] <mebaran> for me at least
[03:14] <TheAngel> hi all
[03:14] <wastrel> my printer works if i print from abiword
[03:14] <wastrel> but that's it
[03:14] <mebaran> My printer still wont print at the correct ratio
[03:14] <cutterjohn> ...and also any outside repos...
[03:14] <mebaran> it prints everything at like 1/4 ratio
[03:14] <princemackenzie> really?  mine has been solid
[03:14] <mebaran> or in very bad qualtiy
[03:14] <wastrel> mebaran: i get 4-pages per sheet
[03:14] <TheAngel> can i install from live-cd aswell
[03:14] <wastrel> mebaran: heh you were talking about this last night
[03:14] <mebaran> oh
[03:14] <mebaran> yeah
[03:14] <mebaran> I was
[03:14] <mebaran> my favorite paper weight
[03:14] <wastrel> dude if you figure it out let me know baby.
[03:15] <mebaran> I never got it to work in debian
[03:15] <mebaran> yeah
[03:15] <mebaran> I was looking at the cups code
[03:15] <wastrel> i get one sheet for every 4 pages i send to the printer.
[03:15] <mebaran> fought it might be hackable
[03:15] <wastrel> this is for web docs, openoffice, etc.
[03:15] <cutterjohn> Monodevelop(warty/mono-1.0.1-whatever is in warty repo): anyone using it?  anyone having problems with it not always wanting to startup, i.e. giving a SIGILL and dying?
[03:15] <mebaran> but that sort of was a failed cause
[03:15] <wastrel> EXCEPT abiword - which prints normally
[03:15] <mebaran> abiword
[03:15] <mebaran> hmmm
[03:15] <mebaran> I might install it
[03:15] <mebaran> see if the same is for me
[03:15] <wastrel> and PDF's and PS prints 1 blank page for every 4 sheets
[03:15] <mebaran> maybe I should try using like lpr
[03:15] <robertj> try gedit
[03:16] <mebaran> see what happnes
[03:16] <robertj> does gedit print normally?
[03:16] <Pluk> cutterjohn, i used the repos from the xfld distro
[03:16] <wastrel> never tried gedit
[03:16] <Pluk> their supposed to be on www.os-works.com but it seems doen atm
[03:16] <cutterjohn> Pluk, do you happend to know if they have powerpc binaries?
[03:16] <phuzzy> there is no way to have the output directed to /dev/usb/lp0?
[03:16] <phuzzy> because under my device manager thing the printer shows up
[03:16] <Pluk> they have the source availeble but dunno if it suits PPC
[03:17] <phuzzy> but the printer admin program isn't detecting it
[03:17] <TheAngel> can i install from live-cd aswell? anyone please?
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> no
[03:18] <TheAngel> you sure? :(
[03:18] <cutterjohn> Pluk, thanks, just did a google and will look... I built monodevelop via source tarball plus sudo checkinstall make install, and am thinking of trying that out for xfce 4.2
[03:18] <tritium> phuzzy, was the printer on at boot time?  Printer detection occurs when /etc/init.d/cupsys is run
[03:18] <mebaran> Anyone know if Ubuntu supports lpr
[03:18] <phuzzy> yes it was on
[03:18] <mebaran> I mgith try lpr
[03:18] <jinxen> Someone here that can help me with gdesklets?
[03:18] <mebaran> as cups seems to not have any idea what to do with my Canon i950
[03:19] <phuzzy> should i try running it again?
[03:19] <tritium> mebaran, did you look on linuxprinting.org for any info?
[03:19] <princemackenzie> there is a link on the forums on how to handle canon iXXX series printers mebaran
[03:19] <princemackenzie> a HOWTO was written
[03:20] <jinxen> Somoene? Help me with Gdesklets? :)
[03:20] <Pluk> what the problem jinxen
[03:20] <princemackenzie> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10540
[03:21] <jinxen> Pluk: when i try to start a sensor i get a error
[03:21] <jinxen> pluk: 2 sek
[03:21] <princemackenzie> which sensor?
[03:21] <Pluk> an attribute error?
[03:21] <Pluk> thats the error i get when running some desklets
[03:21] <Pluk> and a glibtop error
[03:21] <jinxen> pluk: File "/usr/local/lib/gdesklets/factory/SensorFactory.py", line 86, in create_sensor
[03:21] <jinxen> stuff like that
[03:22] <jinxen> pluk: update glibtop?
[03:22] <jinxen> pluk: AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'cpu'
[03:22] <princemackenzie> is there not a sensor module you can load?
[03:22] <Pluk> same error i get, havent found a solution for it..  are you running hoary too?
[03:23] <jinxen> hoary?
[03:23] <mebaran> I checked
[03:23] <mebaran> but the problem is
[03:23] <mebaran> that only works for i386
[03:23] <mebaran> I am on AMD64
[03:23] <jinxen> princemackenzie: Sensor module, what you mean?
[03:23] <mebaran> bleeding age that hurts
[03:23] <mebaran> bleeding edge hurts
[03:23] <froust> If I run into errors during a synaptic install, where would I find them?
[03:23] <princemackenzie> lm-sensors
[03:23] <Pluk> guess your not jinxen  :) hoary is the " unstable" version of ubuntu
[03:23] <jinxen> okey :)
[03:23] <jinxen> no, im not running hoary :)
[03:23] <princemackenzie> hoary is due out in April
[03:23] <princemackenzie> it's the next release.
[03:24] <jinxen> Pluk: Got any idea how to get it to work?
[03:24] <Pluk> nope cant figure it out :( would love to see a solution somewhere too though
[03:24] <princemackenzie> installing and configuring lm-sensors wouldn't do it, right?
[03:24] <Pluk> nope princemackenzie unfortunately
[03:24] <princemackenzie> or am I WAY off
[03:25] <princemackenzie> okay, thanks =P
[03:25] <Pluk> i get the error also in cpuload desklets
[03:25] <princemackenzie> i'm still figuring all this out: just watching the convos in here are a lesson in themselves.
[03:25] <jinxen> wierd
[03:25] <Pluk> clock applet works though
[03:25] <jinxen> sucks :P
[03:25] <princemackenzie> i have personally given up on the sensor desklets
[03:26] <jinxen> my friend got it to work, but he cant remember how :P
[03:26] <bborkk> what's a sensor desklet?
[03:26] <mebaran> Hmmmm, I think my Evolution then is buggy
[03:26] <princemackenzie> i thought the general considered hosed
[03:26] <jinxen> yup, cpu, memory and harddrive
[03:26] <princemackenzie> although Gkrellm is a nice subsititute
[03:26] <mebaran> But how could I extract any useful info for a developer trying to fix it
[03:26] <jinxen> same ubuntu version as me
[03:26] <Pluk> never liked Gkrellm
[03:26] <mebaran> like a backtrace I guess or something like that
[03:26] <princemackenzie> i think it's keen myself
[03:27] <wastrel> i gave up on gdesklets when i realized i can never see my desktop anyway
[03:27] <Pluk> :)
[03:27] <cutterjohn> :)
[03:27] <bob2> phuzzy: I didn't read the question, but any changes to /dev will be undone by a reboot
[03:31] <eruin> http://www.gnome.org/bounties/Miscellaneous.html#127552
[03:31] <eruin> that's pretty sweet
[03:33] <bborkk> Is there a Debian package that will install a JRE plug-in for Firefox?  I saw the instructions on the wiki to do it yourself, but it would be nice if there were a package to do so.
[03:33] <froust> CAn anyone help me out with the ATI Driver install?
[03:33] <froust> I'm getting some weird error messages
[03:33] <bborkk> froust: Which driver?
[03:33] <pe7er> last, final bugger: '# apt-get --reinstall -f install python2.3' gives me an error: "unable to make backup link of `./usr/lib/python2.3/symbol.py' before installing new version: Operation not permitted" ...would it be safe to try to move that file out manually?
[03:33] <froust> bborkk: the new one
[03:34] <bborkk> froust: You mean fglrx?
[03:34] <froust> that's the one
[03:34] <billytwowilly> froust is running amd64
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> i have this problem when i trying to change resolution using screen resolution || The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available.
[03:34] <bborkk> ah.
[03:34] <billytwowilly> conflict with ia32-libs
[03:36] <daniels> billytwowilly: yeah, I've fixed that one locally
[03:36] <daniels> ZzeCoOl: yeah, you're using fglrx, right?
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl> daniels yes
[03:37] <kent> does not epiphany have the kind of "search google" widget like firefox have? Im thinking of changing to epiphany but i miss that function.
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl> and your Xorgy
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:37] <Cindux> bla
[03:37] <daniels> ZzeCoOl: fglrx doesn't let you change resolutions on the fly
[03:38] <froust> Can anyone help me with my ia32-libs conflict with the fglrx drivers?
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl> so maybe thios is the problem that i cant play lineage using cedega...
[03:38] <wasabi> kent, type in the location bar, and choose search the web from the drop down box
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl> maybe at the begiing it try to change resolution
[03:38] <pe7er> or can anyone tell me what this ls -l output means: "c---r---wT  25968<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER> 110, 119 1987-04-02 16:02 symbol.py"? i don't understand anything. fsck?
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl> begining*
[03:39] <wasabi> sounds like file system corruption to me
[03:39] <kent> wasabi, oh. nice. Did not see that one :)
[03:39] <phuzzy> is there any other printer configuration tools?
[03:39] <phuzzy> *are
[03:40] <phuzzy> i really need this printer to work tonight
[03:40] <phuzzy> and i don't want to have to install windows to get it to work
[03:40] <kent> wasabi, you dont happen to know how to make epiphany always open new stuff in a new tab? if i click on a link in evolution then it opens that page in the current tab/window, which i dont want it to.
[03:40] <wasabi> middle click?
[03:40] <wasabi> oh that
[03:40] <wasabi> no, i dont
[03:40] <wasabi> might be an option
[03:41] <kent> i could not find it in the menu :(  but, perhaps i can google for it a while
[03:41] <pe7er> wasabi: do you got any idea how i can fix it? will fsck be a good choice? i suppose i better don't run it from a running system when i need to fix that root drive... correct?
[03:42] <wasabi> pe7er: fsck will correct the file system. that does not mean the data will be intact.
[03:42] <wasabi> And you should never run it on a mounted file system.
[03:43] <pe7er> alright
[03:43] <pe7er> (not alright, but ok)
[03:43] <pe7er> file size is rather mysterious, too
[03:44] <jmhodges> anybody know if the flgrx-driver -> xorg-driver-fglrx problem was solved?
[03:44] <jmhodges> i thought i put up a bug report, but i can't seem to find it
[03:44] <tritium> phuzzy, you could try foomatic-gui, perhaps
[03:44] <regeya> #$%!
[03:44] <jmhodges> but then, im having to use w3m to gete to it
[03:44] <regeya>     print data["departmentNames"]
[03:44] <Cindux> hm
[03:44] <regeya> TypeError: unsubscriptable object
[03:44] <froust> Anyone else have problems with ia32-libs and fglrx?
[03:45] <pe7er> omg, "c--xr--r-x  29561<PHONE_NUMBER> 544371488  32, 115 2028-03-02 10:00 symtable.py"
[03:45] <regeya> anyone here ever use syck with python?  I'm wondering if this is truly a dict I'm dealing with.
[03:45] <jmhodges> pe7er wtf?
[03:45] <regeya> I mean, I should be able to print data['departmentNames']  and get the value of that item
[03:45] <pe7er> more of this.... does anyone know a good howto for ext2 repair?
[03:46] <wasabi> fsck it
[03:46] <regeya> what the devil...
[03:46] <jmhodges> pe7er man fsck
[03:46] <wasabi> i can almost guarentee you're going to lose stuff
[03:46] <regeya> pe7er, have you EVER run fsck on your filesystem?
[03:46] <pe7er> only on os x
[03:46] <jmhodges> pe7er or rather, man e2fsck
[03:46] <pe7er> single user mode
[03:46] <Cindux> hm bluck bluck
[03:46] <jmhodges> pe7er get thee to a live cd
[03:47] <regeya> take your system down to runlevel 1 (init 1), remount the partition as readonly, and run fsck -fvy /dev/whatever
[03:47] <regeya> or a live cd would be better
[03:47] <Cindux> Anyone know a linux distro similar to Damn Small Linux but larger ?
[03:47] <regeya> since ubuntu will ask for a root password when you try to go to runlevel 1
[03:48] <pe7er> jmhodges, regeya, wasabi: thanks. now i only have to find out how that did occur.
[03:48] <regeya> this serves to remind me that it's been a while since I fsck'ed.
[03:48] <jmhodges> argh!
[03:48] <hikaru79> Cindux, lol
[03:48] <hikaru79> Cindux, Debian?
[03:48] <Cindux> well
[03:48] <Cindux> I wanted debian
[03:48] <jmhodges> does anyone know how to get rid of fglrx-driver and move to xorg-driver-fglrx on hoary?
[03:48] <Cindux> but this is an older PC
[03:48] <jmhodges> im without an X server here :(
[03:48] <regeya> pe7er, I had run fsck on linux before I ever had on os x; I found OS X's lack of options to be frustrating :-}
[03:48] <Cindux> p3 600mhz / 128mb ram / 10gb hdd
[03:49] <jmhodges> anyone?
[03:49] <mbp_> Cindux, debian should be fine on that if you're selective
[03:49] <Cindux> I'd like something thats only one CD
[03:49] <Cindux> bla = /
[03:49] <regeya> and pe7er, from this point forward, always make backups of important data.
[03:49] <mbp_> Ubuntu?
[03:49] <Cindux> Know anything debian based?
[03:49] <Cindux> LIKE damn small
[03:49] <princemackenzie> have you seen the Ubuntu mini-ram install
[03:49] <Cindux> Im really just looking for something with GIMP & an html editor
[03:49] <regeya> yikes.
[03:49] <princemackenzie> it installs a stripped system and you from there.
[03:49] <Cindux> but its gotta look good - . -
[03:49] <Cindux> = /
[03:49] <Cindux> lol
[03:49] <princemackenzie> aye
[03:49] <princemackenzie> what are you after man
[03:49] <redfun> Cindux, Feather is double the size of Damn Small.
[03:49] <pe7er> regaya: backups are a good thing. i always tell my friends how essential they are. although i never do those myself %)
[03:50] <regeya> hehe pe7er
[03:50] <princemackenzie> "i want a ferrari that also gets 40 MPG"
[03:50] <Cindux> bla ive been looking foreva lol
[03:50] <mbp_> Cindux, LFS?
[03:50] <Cindux> Oo feather eh
[03:50] <regeya> let's see...looks good...has a few niceties...fits on a CD...debian-based...hm, what do I know of that meets those requirements...
[03:50] <Cindux> and it looks good!
[03:51] <princemackenzie> roofles regeya
[03:51] <Cindux> lol
[03:51] <princemackenzie> what is "looks good"
[03:51] <Cindux> I like Gnome & Flux ?
[03:51] <princemackenzie> u b u n t y
[03:51] <princemackenzie> u b u n t u
[03:51] <regeya> oh, and has GNOME...
[03:51] <jmhodges> what do i do to "force through" a dpkg-diversion?
[03:51] <Cindux> doesnt need to
[03:51] <jmhodges> can i remove the file?
[03:51] <princemackenzie> all that and i fscked it up
[03:51] <princemackenzie> cindux
[03:51] <Cindux> thats just what ive used
[03:51] <jmhodges> run dpkg-diversion?
[03:51] <regeya> shitfire, I can't think of ANYTHING tthat matches those requirements...
[03:51] <Cindux>  ?
[03:51] <princemackenzie> what is the name of this channel
[03:51] <Cindux> ubuntu
[03:51] <Cindux> lol
[03:51] <regeya> dinnae lad, #debian?
[03:51] <princemackenzie> there you go!
[03:52] <pd> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~paul/xfce-install.png
[03:52] <Cindux> bla
[03:52] <pd> so sweet looking
[03:52] <Cindux> website
[03:52] <mebaran> fuck
[03:52] <jmhodges> :(
[03:52] <mebaran> oh whoops
[03:52] <princemackenzie> http://www.ubuntulinux.prg
[03:52] <mebaran> wrong window
[03:52] <mebaran> hehehehehe
[03:52] <princemackenzie> http://www.ubuntulinux.org
[03:52] <mebaran> damn sorry
[03:52] <princemackenzie> me cant type
[03:52] <Cindux> lol k one sec
[03:52] <regeya> you cnat tipe
[03:52] <Cindux> ill check em all out
[03:52] <regeya> are you rasterman?
[03:52] <Cindux> sept i dontm know what "feathers" full name is
[03:52] <princemackenzie> Cindux, how did you find this room
[03:52] <regeya> chris almighty
[03:52] <princemackenzie> don't take it personally
[03:52] <Cindux> uh I was on the Gnoppix website
[03:53] <Cindux> cuz im dling it now to test
[03:53] <princemackenzie> i read you
[03:53] <Cindux> & i clicked a link for the forum
[03:53] <princemackenzie> download the ubuntu live cd
[03:53] <princemackenzie> try it out
[03:53] <princemackenzie> you will be impressed
[03:53] <princemackenzie> and if you don't like how it "looks"
[03:53] <Cindux> im trying lots
[03:53] <Cindux> lol
[03:53] <kquamme94> upgrading to hoary was a bad idea
[03:53] <pe7er> +1
[03:53] <princemackenzie> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240
[03:53] <kquamme94> but atleast i now have a fresh install
[03:53] <regeya> yipes, syck is FAST (compared to pyyaml)
[03:53] <pd> kquamme94, yep ;)
[03:53] <princemackenzie> is a giant list of links to desktops
[03:53] <pd> kquamme94, just use backports
[03:53] <princemackenzie> running ubuntu
[03:53] <pd> seens a lot stable
[03:54] <princemackenzie> you can install xfce, flux, or gnome
[03:54] <cutterjohn> pe7er: > `T'
[03:54] <cutterjohn> > If the sticky bit is set but the other-executable bit is not
[03:54] <cutterjohn> > set.
[03:54] <kquamme94> hoary is fine on the old 450
[03:54] <Cindux> im dling that tp
[03:54] <princemackenzie> excellent.
[03:54] <Cindux> in the last 2 days i've downlaoded damn small linux,cobind desktop,slackware & right now hoary / ubuntu
[03:54] <kquamme94> haha
[03:54] <princemackenzie> i would do warty man
[03:54] <Cindux> so far only installed / tried cobin / ddamn small
[03:55] <jmhodges> ok, i can't dpkg-divert --remove this file
[03:55] <kquamme94> i tried cobind at one time
[03:55] <jmhodges> what the heck can i do?
[03:55] <princemackenzie> hoary is a bit wild at the moment
[03:55] <jmhodges> somebody?
[03:55] <jmhodges> anybody?
[03:55] <cutterjohn> pe7er: I think that c has an obscure meaning as well...
[03:55] <princemackenzie> cobind is just like linspire
[03:55] <Cindux> how was it ?
[03:55] <Cindux> I like cobind but it runs kinda laggy on my system
[03:55] <jpcl> Hi pple. I Just booted warty live cd. Can one use apt-tools on it?!? I've been unable to use "apt-cache search" or "apt-get update"....  I Just booted warty live cd. Can one use apt-tools on it?!? I've been unable to use "apt-cache search" or "apt-get update"....  I Just booted warty live cd. Can one use apt-tools on it?!? I've been unable to use "apt-cache search" or "apt-get update".... They die with strange errors!
[03:57] <princemackenzie> go with it.
[03:57] <jpcl> Like: "Method http has died unexpectedly"
[03:58] <jpcl> And I get a major dmesg garbage ... really big dump about assertion falires, semaphore problems....
[03:58] <Cindux> Link wont open lol
[03:58] <pe7er> however, wish me luck
[03:58] <Cindux> copy n paste ;p
[03:58] <princemackenzie> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh
[03:59] <princemackenzie> or just google "ubuntu mini-ram install"
[03:59] <fdas> hey
[03:59] <fdas> can i get some help?
[03:59] <princemackenzie> if that doesn't fit yer needs Cindux, idk what you could possibly want.
[03:59] <Cindux> ugg
[04:00] <fdas> im trying to install ubuntu on my laptop.. the installation is basicly finished, but it gets stuck at this part
[04:00] <fdas> after the time thingy
[04:00] <fdas> its asking for the ubuntu cd
[04:00] <jpcl> guys, can we apt-get on the live cd? Is it possible?
[04:00] <darmou> has anyone used mono?
[04:00] <fdas> i put it in and it says to insert it
[04:00] <fdas> whats mono?
[04:00] <Cindux> damnt
[04:00] <Cindux> lol
[04:00] <stuNNed> darmou, yes
[04:00] <Cindux> prince ubuntu screenshits
[04:00] <darmou> I can't get my HelloWorld.cs to complile that uses the gtk libs:(
[04:00] <Cindux> nowhere
[04:00] <cutterjohn> darmou, yes
[04:00] <jpcl> I must be transparent....
[04:00] <fdas> can anyone help me?
[04:01] <neighborlee> hi
[04:01] <jmhodges> guys, i really need this box back with X
[04:01] <paxmaster> just got the live cd of ubuntu
[04:01] <jmhodges> i need some help clearing up these diversion problems
[04:01] <stuNNed> jpcl, maybe noone here knows the answer right now :P
[04:01] <neighborlee> jmhodges, whats up
[04:01] <princemackenzie> http://www.ubuntulinux.org Cindux
[04:01] <fdas> anyone help me please.....
[04:01] <darmou> I've installed the libglib-cil libgtk-cil libs but still no luck:(
[04:01] <neighborlee> fdas, please state the nature of your emergency
[04:01] <paxmaster> what is the password of root
[04:01] <stuNNed> fdas, have you checked #mono if there is such a thing?
[04:02] <Cindux> umz
[04:02] <fdas> im trying to install ubuntu on my laptop.. the installation is basicly finished, but it gets stuck at this part
[04:02] <darmou> cutterjohn have you been able to compile gtk# apps+
[04:02] <fdas> after the time thing
[04:02] <fdas> where u configure it
[04:02] <Arkainium> why doesn't emacs show up in gnome's menu?  second, why isn't there a menu editor?
[04:02] <fdas> it asks for the ubuntu cd
[04:02] <jmhodges> neighborlee im in hoary.. flgrx-driver wont install because it depnds on xorg-driver-fglrx, like it should.. but when i try to install xorg-driver-fglrx i get dpkg-divert errors
[04:02] <fdas> i put it in the drive and it doesnt work
[04:02] <stuNNed> eh, fdas n/m that was for darmou
[04:02] <paxmaster> just got the live cd of ubuntu
[04:02] <paxmaster> what is the password of root
[04:02] <princemackenzie> fdas: do a search on the forums
[04:02] <cutterjohn> darmou, yes I built monodevelop-0.5.1 (warty/mono-1.0.1-whatever in warty repo)
[04:02] <jmhodges> neighborlee both fglrx-driver and xorg-dpkg-driver divert the same file to different places
[04:02] <princemackenzie> i read about yer problem earlier
[04:02] <eruin> paxmaster: there is no password of root
[04:02] <neighborlee> jmhodges, hm is this ati stuff?
[04:02] <jmhodges> neighborlee indeed
[04:03] <cutterjohn> darmou, today.  Recheck for other mono packages that you may have missed.
[04:03] <Cindux> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/
[04:03] <Cindux> and then blink blnk
[04:03] <jpcl> stuNNed, thx...
[04:03] <neighborlee> jmhodges, hmmm ouch..I may be way out of my league due to using nvidia...anyway PM me with your errors ill see
[04:03] <jmhodges> neighborlee i thought i made a bug report, but i must have hit the wrong button in w3m
[04:03] <cutterjohn> darmou, there should be more thank just lib packages... but I don't recall the names offhand...
[04:03] <darmou> cutterjohn is there a list of packages somewhere?
[04:03] <jmhodges> neighborlee er.. ok.. ill take a bit to retype them
[04:03] <princemackenzie> Cindux: do you want an install or live CD
[04:03] <jpcl> stuNNed, at lest I see xchat is working
[04:03] <jpcl> warty@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get update
[04:03] <jpcl> Get:1 http://people.ubuntu.com ./ Packages [3734B]
[04:03] <jpcl> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[04:03] <stuNNed> jpcl, yes :)
[04:03] <neighborlee> jmhodges, up arrow
[04:03] <Cindux> um
[04:03] <cutterjohn> darmou, I'd recomend firing up synaptic, then do a find on name & desc for mono
[04:03] <stack> i'm trying to setup snmpd with my routeur, anyone could help ?
[04:04] <princemackenzie> install puts it on the HD
[04:04] <Cindux> well is it a live cd with hd install also ?
[04:04] <princemackenzie> live lets you try with no install.
[04:04] <princemackenzie> no... one or the other.
[04:04] <Cindux> er whats the diff ?
[04:04] <Cindux> thats all ?
[04:04] <princemackenzie> like i said
[04:04] <Cindux> ones a live distro of it
[04:04] <paxmaster> so y is telling when need superuser
[04:04] <princemackenzie> live lets you try with no install
[04:04] <Cindux> um
[04:04] <Cindux> Live first
[04:04] <princemackenzie> yes.
[04:04] <cutterjohn> darmou, I'm checking mine now, waiting for it to startup
[04:04] <eruin> mono-common
[04:04] <princemackenzie> if you like it
[04:05] <princemackenzie> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/warty/warty-release-live-i386.iso
[04:05] <princemackenzie> cindux
[04:05] <jpcl> Ok, I'm going back to knoppix then...
[04:05] <princemackenzie> then burn the ISO to a cd
[04:05] <princemackenzie> and go.
[04:05] <Cindux> :P
[04:05] <Cindux> same as dsl :d
[04:05] <Cindux> thansk alot
[04:05] <princemackenzie> yes.
[04:05] <princemackenzie> no problem.
[04:05] <cutterjohn> darmou, yep there are a whole slew of mono-xxx that you need, plus you'll need to take your time looking through the other gtk# for package pieces, it may also be a good idea to look for cil in names only under synaptic...
[04:05] <princemackenzie> and don't say "screenshits" anymore
[04:05] <eruin> paxmaster: just enter your user password
[04:05] <eruin> paxmaster: and search wiki.ubuntulinux.org for sudo
[04:06] <Cindux> oh and thats the newest release right?
[04:06] <eruin> don't you read about a distro at all before you start using it? :P
[04:06] <fdas> i cant find my problem on the forums
[04:06] <paxmaster> it a live cd and i didn't create a password
[04:06] <princemackenzie> warty is the most recent stable release... the 1st release.  hoary is the 2nd but its not close to being done yet.
[04:06] <princemackenzie> warty is recent as of october 2004
[04:07] <cutterjohn> actually I've been pretty impressed by mono speeds under linux, esp when compared to IBM's Java...
[04:07] <cutterjohn> (powerpc)
[04:07] <paxmaster> trying to do apt-get or dselect < superusers >
[04:07] <Cindux> k
[04:07] <Cindux> dling it now
[04:08] <princemackenzie> good good.
[04:08] <Cindux> im gonna go try out gknoppix etc
[04:08] <Cindux> so be on later
[04:08] <princemackenzie> the default gnome desktop isn't the prettiest IMO but is easy to change.
[04:08] <Arkainium> does gnome come with a menu editor?
[04:08] <neighborlee> Arkainium, nope
[04:09] <mebaran> the XFCE desktop is exactly as it should be
[04:09] <neighborlee> Arkainium, you must ( for  now) use: nautilus: Applications:///
[04:09] <mebaran> to me
[04:09] <occy> I thought j2se was in multiverse?
[04:09] <neighborlee> Arkainium, not ideal but it works <G>
[04:09] <mebaran> I never have been big on huge environments like KDE
[04:09] <Cindux> whats the official OS name ?
[04:09] <mebaran> I like command line
[04:09] <Cindux> j/w
[04:09] <Pluk> mebaran, not for me .. had to work a little to suit my needs/desires
[04:09] <Arkainium> neighborlee, cool, didn't even know about that.  thanks
[04:09] <cutterjohn> GNOME isnt far behind KDE in bloat these days
[04:09] <neighborlee> Arkainium, np ;-)
[04:09] <mebaran> I like command line
[04:09] <mebaran> just me
[04:09] <neighborlee> Arkainium, as I say its not ideal but ;-))
[04:09] <mebaran> for some reason
[04:10] <mebaran> maybe it is the FreeBSD
[04:10] <princemackenzie> ubuntu linux...
[04:10] <Cindux> er ?
[04:10] <Cindux> i meant ver
[04:10] <mebaran> they told me in school to stay away from Drugs
[04:10] <Cindux> lol
[04:10] <Cindux> like
[04:10] <princemackenzie> warty warthog is version 4.10
[04:10] <Cindux> and thats the one on website
[04:10] <Cindux> ubuntu.org or w/e
[04:10] <princemackenzie> the numbers are just based on the year/month it was released tho.
[04:11] <fdas> PLEASE I NEED HELP
[04:11] <princemackenzie> www.ubuntulinux.org... to be honest Cindux, i'm not sure what you are asking.
[04:11] <neighborlee> fdas, whats up
[04:11] <fdas> FOR SOME REASON ITS ASKING FOR THE UBUNTU CD BUT IT TRYS TO READ IT THEN ASKS FOR IT AGAIN
[04:11] <Arkainium> neighborlee, why not?
[04:11] <Cindux> just wondering becuz this mirror is a bit slow
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> fdas: please, no caps
[04:11] <fdas> i cant get by this
[04:11] <fdas> kkk
[04:11] <fdas> its just that sometimes i feel like on not being herd
[04:11] <princemackenzie> www.ubuntulinux.org is where you can find more mirrors Cindux.
[04:11] <princemackenzie> no worries fdas
[04:11] <Cindux> er confused lol
[04:11] <Cindux> i saw no live distro dls
[04:12] <neighborlee> Arkainium, its not the most friendly of ways to do things is what I mean...should be either a MENU item or they need a 'button' to press so its more obvious..
[04:12] <Cindux> thats why
[04:12] <Cindux> i ask
[04:12] <princemackenzie> cindux
[04:12] <neighborlee> fdas, heh big channel
[04:12] <princemackenzie> i linked you to one =P
[04:12] <Cindux> i kn ow lol
[04:12] <fdas> ?
[04:12] <cutterjohn> the only live ubuntu cd is for x86(IA32)
[04:12] <princemackenzie> fdas: many people having many convos man, it can get lost
[04:12] <neighborlee> btw..does ubuntu livecd have rescue mode ?
[04:13] <fdas> kk
[04:13] <Cindux> bla im ont being specific enough
[04:13] <fdas> i just need some help
[04:13] <Cindux> i meant
[04:13] <Cindux> on the mirror
[04:13] <fdas> becuase i cant get into the system
[04:13] <Cindux> which would i download ?
[04:13] <neighborlee> fdas, PM me if you wish
[04:13] <cutterjohn> (I only recall the failsafe GDM logins, as init 2 goes multi-user/graphical)
[04:13] <fdas> i just installed ubuntu on my laptop
[04:13] <fdas> kkk thanx
[04:13] <neighborlee> np
[04:14] <cutterjohn> (a single user mode should really be added)
[04:15] <cutterjohn> darmou, let me know when you get your mono environment setup and have compiled monodevelop.  Mine is dying once in a while when I try to start it with a SIGILL...
[04:16] <darmou> I just install monodevelop did not need to compile it
[04:16] <bronson> Is there a Hoary IRC channel?
[04:16] <darmou> Still can't get gtk# stuff compiled
[04:16] <darmou> I'll try finding the dir which the assemblies are located
[04:17] <stuNNed> darmou, direct from source or source with apt?
[04:17] <cutterjohn> darmou, are you using hoary?
[04:17] <OddAbe19> bronson, no
[04:18] <OddAbe19> i use hoary, and i haven't had anyproblems
[04:18] <mebaran> OddAbe19: are you on i386?
[04:18] <OddAbe19> k7, but yeah
[04:18] <mebaran> OddAbe19: you definitely are
[04:18] <cutterjohn> darmou, did you make sure that you got all of the cil libs for gtk#?
[04:18] <darmou> cutterjohn yes
[04:18] <OddAbe19> mebaran, what's up
[04:18] <darmou> cutterjohn root@firebird:/usr/share/dotnet/mono # ls
[04:18] <darmou> 1.0  2.0  gac  gecko-sharp  gtk-sharp  monodoc
[04:19] <mebaran> My Evolution still wont work
[04:19] <mebaran> Its contact segment is rather broken
[04:19] <OddAbe19> i don't use evolution, but lemmie see if it launches
[04:19] <cutterjohn> darmou, you're missing most of it
[04:19] <mebaran> I cant manage contacts at all
[04:19] <OddAbe19> it could be broken
[04:19] <darmou> am I? what do I need to look for?
[04:19] <cutterjohn> moylan@tertius:/usr/share/dotnet $ ls
[04:19] <cutterjohn> bin  blam  gtk-sharp-examples  lib  mono  monodoc
[04:19] <OddAbe19> i don't know anything about evolution
[04:19] <OddAbe19> i'm sorry
[04:19] <mebaran> OddAbe19: it probably is
[04:19] <OddAbe19> you could try #evolution, if that's a channel
[04:19] <mebaran> I filed a bug report
[04:19] <mebaran> hah
[04:19] <mebaran> worth a try
[04:20] <OddAbe19> meh
[04:20] <OddAbe19> :-P
[04:20] <mebaran> doesnt exist
[04:20] <OddAbe19> lol
[04:20] <mebaran> I had my very own chatroom
[04:20] <mebaran> !
[04:20] <OddAbe19> check their site, they should have some contact info
[04:20] <OddAbe19> on irc
[04:20] <OddAbe19> through novell or something
[04:20] <mebaran> yeah
[04:20] <cutterjohn> darmou, maybe not moylan@tertius:/usr/share/dotnet/mono $ ls
[04:20] <cutterjohn> 1.0  2.0  gac  gecko-sharp  gtk-sharp  monodoc
[04:20] <mebaran> that would make sense
[04:21] <OddAbe19> http://support.novell.com/
[04:22] <OddAbe19> there ya go mebaran, they have forums and what not
[04:22] <mebaran> haha
[04:22] <mebaran> I will try them
[04:22] <cutterjohn> darmou moylan@tertius:/usr/share/dotnet/mono $ ls /usr/lib/mono/gtk-sharp/
[04:22] <cutterjohn> art-sharp.dll    gconf-sharp-peditors.dll  glade-sharp.dll    gnome-sharp.dll    gtksourceview-sharp.dll  rsvg-sharp.dll
[04:22] <cutterjohn> atk-sharp.dll    gda-sharp.dll             glib-sharp.dll     gtkhtml-sharp.dll  monodoc.dll              vte-sharp.dll
[04:22] <cutterjohn> gconf-sharp.dll  gdk-sharp.dll             gnomedb-sharp.dll  gtk-sharp.dll      pango-sharp.dll
[04:22] <OddAbe19> novell sucks
[04:22] <mebaran> I think they just miscompiled it for AMD64
[04:22] <OddAbe19> OMG paste whore
[04:22] <eruin> .dll
[04:22] <OddAbe19> maybe
[04:22] <mebaran> whoever maintains the package
[04:22] <eruin> .dlls scare me
[04:22] <mojo> pastie pastie five dolla
[04:22] <OddAbe19> but it would'nt work at all then mebaran
[04:22] <mebaran> dlls's I thought linux called everything windows
[04:22] <erich> Is there a fix for the glxgears-dri problem?
[04:22] <mebaran> well the functions of evolution
[04:22] <mebaran> Contact
[04:23] <mebaran> alwasy end up crashing
[04:23] <OddAbe19> it's possible
[04:23] <mebaran> so they might have mis done the linking of the libs
[04:23] <OddAbe19> or it could just be broken or not compatable
[04:23] <mebaran> MAD^$!!!
[04:23] <mebaran> is an anagram of AMD64
[04:23] <cutterjohn> ...and do a file on them... file art-sharp.dll
[04:23] <OddAbe19> but knowing novell, i wouldn't be shocked :-P
[04:23] <cutterjohn> art-sharp.dll: MS Windows PE 32-bit Intel 80386 console DLL
[04:23] <mebaran> took forever to get open office to work
[04:23] <mebaran> what else is there
[04:23] <mebaran> I dont need any of the fancy features of evolution
[04:23] <mebaran> just need a simple gtk app
[04:23] <mebaran> or what not
[04:23] <OddAbe19> i use thunderbird
[04:24] <mebaran> thunderbird do contacts?
[04:24] <mebaran> like I like to keep phone numbers and bdays
[04:24] <pe7er> ext3 fixed. now shouldn't that have been prevented by the journal? why isn't ubuntu reiser-based... philosophic or technical reasons? [IF it is that good as the homepage says, of course, but its pretty impressive]
[04:24] <OddAbe19> mebaran, IIRC
[04:24] <OddAbe19> i switched to webased gmail
[04:24] <OddAbe19> since
[04:24] <wasabi> pe7er: ubuntu asks you what fs you want to use at install.
[04:24] <mebaran> IIRC?
[04:24] <wasabi> or picks ext3
[04:24] <OddAbe19> If i recall correctly
[04:24] <mebaran> I have pop enabled on my gmail
[04:24] <mebaran> so a pop client is nice
[04:24] <wasabi> (i think)
[04:24] <cutterjohn> wasabi: it asked on my install...
[04:25] <mebaran> esp since my work blocks gmail (G-d knows why)
[04:25] <wasabi> and ext3 because it's very safe
[04:25] <mebaran> but not pop
[04:25] <mojo> thunderbird contacts have notes and a couple undefined fields... but not free-structured so far as I know
[04:25] <wasabi> reiserfs is a pos
[04:25] <OddAbe19> reiser4 is nice
[04:25] <mebaran> brb
[04:25] <mebaran> just updated
[04:25] <OddAbe19> actually
[04:25] <pe7er> pos?
[04:26] <mebaran> well xorg didnt die
[04:26] <mebaran> thank G-d
[04:26] <cutterjohn> wasabi: ext3 is safe, and also about the only one without probs until recently on non-x86 arch
[04:26] <OddAbe19> lol, i'm afraid of restartig X, i'm afraid it's going to die
[04:26] <pe7er> i just left 'safe defaults'. actually ubuntu install is damned good and i can luckily live without a graphical installer.
[04:26] <OddAbe19> after dist-upgrade
[04:26] <OddAbe19> tonight
[04:28] <pe7er> ahoi. nevertheless it failed on me. but that could have been hardware reasons.
[04:28] <mebaran> OddAbe19: didnt kill Xorg
[04:28] <pe7er> (wasabi, cutterjohn)
[04:28] <mebaran> for me
[04:28] <mebaran> restarted perfectly well
[04:28] <OddAbe19> lol, i'm scared of that, it upgrade a hell of alot
[04:28] <mebaran> yeah
[04:28] <mebaran> I get scared too
[04:28] <OddAbe19> but, heh... it's the price of success :-P
[04:29] <mebaran> there are more mismatched dependencies in Ubuntu than I found in Debian Sid
[04:29] <mebaran> but then again
[04:29] <mebaran> Debian Sid didnt follow gnome quite so close to the knife
[04:29] <cutterjohn> wasabi, pe7er: well, the only reason that I stuck with ext3 myself is that I'm on powerpc arch, and don't quite trust the alls ok with reiser w/powerpc yet...
[04:29] <OddAbe19> no
[04:29] <mebaran> hmm?
[04:29] <OddAbe19> i didn't follow sid, i felt like being adventorous... went for apt-get -t experimental
[04:30] <OddAbe19> heh... yeah, i didn't have a working system for long
[04:31] <binbin> hey is there java of plugin for firefox 1.0 that works?
[04:31] <princemackenzie> binbin
[04:31] <darmou> cutterjohn that whole dir you showed me is there
[04:31] <princemackenzie> yes.
[04:31] <darmou> I just can't understand it:(
[04:31] <binbin> which one?
[04:31] <princemackenzie> can i link you to instructions?
[04:31] <VivekVC> When i try to install mysql using  apt-get install mysql, i get the following message
[04:32] <cutterjohn> darmou, so what kind of errors do you get when you try to build gtk# apps?
[04:32] <VivekVC> Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:32] <VivekVC> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:32] <VivekVC> is only available from another source
[04:32] <princemackenzie> binbin: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[04:32] <VivekVC> How should i proceed from here?
[04:32] <binbin> princemackenzie... thanks
[04:32] <princemackenzie> section 4 is about java and firefox.  i did that and it worked perfectly.
[04:33] <Pluk> VivekVC, try mysql-server
[04:33] <darmou> join #flood cutterjohn to see
[04:34] <VivekVC> Pluk: Thanks, its working.
[04:34] <Pluk> your welcome
[04:34] <VivekVC> laters
[04:34] <mebaran> OddAbe19: apt-get -t experimental?
[04:34] <knghtbrd> anyone here have experience with VoIP stuff?
[04:35] <mebaran> so dangerous they dont tell us newbies about it
[04:35] <OddAbe19> yeah, there are experimental repos, basically, ALPHA stage software
[04:35] <mebaran> haha
[04:35] <mebaran> yes
[04:35] <mebaran> if you acutally need your computer
[04:35] <mebaran> I approve
[04:35] <OddAbe19> lol
[04:35] <mebaran> unfortunately I have to work
[04:35] <darmou> /home/darmou/HelloWorld.cs(18) error CS0246: Cannot find type `DeleteEventArgs'
[04:35] <darmou> /home/darmou/HelloWorld.cs(2) error CS0246: The namespace `Gtk' can not be found (missing assembly reference?)
[04:35] <darmou>     Try using -r:gtk-sharp
[04:35] <darmou> /home/darmou/HelloWorld.cs(3) error CS0246: The namespace `GtkSharp' can not be found (missing assembly reference?)
[04:35] <darmou>     Try using -r:gtk-sharp
[04:35] <darmou> /home/darmou/HelloWorld.cs(5) error CS0246: The namespace `System.Drawing' can not be found (missing assembly reference?)
[04:35] <mebaran> my computer doesnt just hold down papers
[04:35] <darmou>     Try using -r:System.Drawing
[04:35] <darmou> Compilation failed: 4 error(s), 0 warnings
[04:35] <OddAbe19> OMG, PASTE WHORE
[04:35] <mebaran> it makes papers to hold down too
[04:35] <OddAbe19> lol
[04:35] <knghtbrd> GtkSharp?
[04:35] <xquizit> Hello, how do i start and stop daemons?
[04:36] <knghtbrd> eww
[04:36] <knghtbrd> Miguel's Folly.
[04:36] <cutterjohn> darmou, did you try mcs -pkg:gtk-sharp sourcegtk.cs ?
[04:36] <OddAbe19> xquizit, /etc/init.d/servicexxxxxx stop
[04:36] <xquizit> OddAbe19, Thanks :)
[04:36] <OddAbe19> xquizit, basicall goto /etc/init.d
[04:36] <OddAbe19> then ls
[04:37] <OddAbe19> then stop the services with xxxxxxxxxx(deamon name) stop
[04:37] <cutterjohn> darmou, it should work after adding the -pkg:gtk-sharp option...
[04:37] <darmou> /home/darmou/HelloWorld.cs(5) error CS0246: The namespace `System.Drawing' can not be found (missing assembly reference?)
[04:37] <darmou>     Try using -r:System.Drawing
[04:37] <mebaran> OddAbe19: we prefer the term paster of ill repute :)
[04:37] <OddAbe19> lol
[04:37] <OddAbe19> damn, it's cold here 5degrees Farenheit, -14 windchill
[04:38] <OddAbe19> my apartment if freezing
[04:38] <cutterjohn> darmou, is that HelloWorld.cs the one from the examples directory?
[04:38] <darmou> ahh ok I'll try one from there
[04:38] <princemackenzie> where are you oddabe19
[04:38] <OddAbe19> Pennsylvania
[04:38] <OddAbe19> USA
[04:38] <stuNNed> OddAbe19, what part?
[04:38] <OddAbe19> lancaster
[04:38] <OddAbe19> area
[04:38] <stuNNed> around bucks county?
[04:38] <OddAbe19> na
[04:38] <stuNNed> ok
[04:38] <princemackenzie> im in jersey... its 7 here.
[04:38] <OddAbe19> further west
[04:39] <OddAbe19> jersey
[04:39] <OddAbe19> it's bad enough it's a jersey... but for crying out loud... a NEW jersey
[04:39] <OddAbe19> 'New Jersey, the only state that seccessfully outclasses Delaware"
[04:39] <OddAbe19> :-P
[04:40] <OddAbe19> i have to bust on it whenever i can
[04:40] <OddAbe19> haha
[04:40] <princemackenzie> it is gross here.
[04:40] <darmou> One from the examples dir worked ok, why would you need the -pkg option I wonder
[04:40] <cutterjohn> darmou, barring that your own HelloWorld.cs might be specifying classes in an unusual way, as system.drawing should be part of the base package.  You may also, possibly be using a non-implemented function if you're not doing pure gtk-sharp...
[04:41] <princemackenzie> you however, being "west of Lancaster" would be considered what we all "pennsyltucky"
[04:41] <princemackenzie> *call
[04:41] <cutterjohn> darmou, according to the gtk-sharp FAQ, it is apparently poorly designed such that it expects to only be installed where the original gtk=sharp developers put it.  Debian/ubuntu guys moved it, so it needs to be told.
[04:41] <OddAbe19> Fry: "Price is good, looks great, what's wrong with the apartment?" Landlord: "Well, technically we're in New Jersey" NEXT SCENE Fry: "There are no good apartments anywhere"
[04:41] <OddAbe19> actually, i live in Lancaster City
[04:42] <OddAbe19> west of bucks county is what i meant
[04:42] <princemackenzie> still nicer than jersey city
[04:42] <OddAbe19> true... if you like amish
[04:42] <cutterjohn> darmou, I'd check your HelloWorld against what is supported by mono, and otherwise check for errors against gtk-sharp...
[04:43] <kquamme94> well, i am just about finished with the fresh warty install
[04:43] <kquamme94> man, didn't realize how much work i had spent setting it up the 1st time
[04:43] <cutterjohn> darmou, and I'd also look at your class imports, something may be funny there, but Id really expect a different error...
[04:43] <princemackenzie> aye, well, conisder your linux l33tness vs theirs.
[04:44] <OddAbe19> haha
[04:44] <darmou> well another example in the gtk-examples called GnomeHelloWorld spits out errors also
[04:44] <blood105> hi
[04:44] <princemackenzie> howdy blood.
[04:44] <darmou>  mcs -pkg:gtk-sharp GnomeHelloWorld.cs
[04:44] <darmou> GnomeHelloWorld.cs(48) error CS0246: Cannot find type `IconList'
[04:44] <darmou> GnomeHelloWorld.cs(151) error CS0246: Cannot find type `Gnome.IconSelectedArgs'
[04:44] <darmou> GnomeHelloWorld.cs(11) error CS0246: The namespace `Gnome' can not be found (missing assembly reference?)
[04:44] <OddAbe19> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH another pasting whore
[04:44] <OddAbe19> :-P
[04:44] <blood105> im having trouble getting my isdn TA to work in ubuntu
[04:44] <darmou> is there a gnome package in which case how do you specify it
[04:44] <blood105> its usb and noone can help me :(
[04:45] <darmou> ie mcs -pkg:gtk-sharp:gnome GnomeHelloWorld.cs ?
[04:45] <princemackenzie> hmmm... well maybe someone here can... not me tho.
[04:45] <princemackenzie> sry
[04:45] <OddAbe19> blood105, goto linuxcompatable(?).com and see if it is supported
[04:45] <blood105> ooh ooh
[04:45] <princemackenzie> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/
[04:46] <OddAbe19> yeah, that's the bugger
[04:46] <blood105> http://linuxcompatible.org/
[04:46] <blood105> yeah
[04:46] <gangalino> how do I remove desktop icons such as /home/ & trash? I had it before, but I had to reinstall the ubuntu-desktop
[04:46] <cutterjohn> darmou, -pkg:gtk-sharp -> -pkg:gnome-sharp
[04:46] <blood105> linux != .com
[04:47] <cutterjohn> darmou, going to afk for a few...
[04:47] <princemackenzie> gangalino: apps > system tools > config editor
[04:47] <darmou> ok thanks
[04:47] <OddAbe19> smile for the screen shoot
[04:47] <princemackenzie> then apps > nautilus > desktop
[04:47] <princemackenzie> got that?
[04:48] <gangalino> princemackenzie: then desktop/?
[04:48] <princemackenzie> there should be a desktop folder under the nautilus section
[04:49] <princemackenzie> then you can uncheck the icons
[04:49] <princemackenzie> computer_icon_visible and whatnot
[04:50] <gangalino> ahh yes, thx
[04:50] <princemackenzie> okay good :-P
[04:51] <Destructo> k back
[04:51] <Destructo> when i run dmesg .. i have a long list of Device Not ready . Make sure there is a disc in the drive
[04:52] <bj_> any hoary'ers just get a huge upgrade?
[04:52] <bj_> Cause i did
[04:52] <OddAbe19> yeah
[04:52] <OddAbe19> it's mostly xorg stuff though
[04:52] <OddAbe19> i haven't restarted X yes
[04:52] <OddAbe19> yet
[04:52] <OddAbe19> *
[04:52] <bj_> i wonder if anything  is different
[04:53] <OddAbe19> probably bug fixes
[04:53] <bj_> yay
[04:53] <OddAbe19> not really a version chang
[04:53] <kquamme94> if your concerned about display issues, don't go hoary
[04:54] <kquamme94> it worked fine on an older machine of mine
[04:54] <kquamme94> but has issues with my emachine that i'm on right now
[04:54] <OddAbe19> i haven't had any problems with hoary yet
[04:54] <OddAbe19> but i'm special :-P
[04:54] <princemackenzie> you are
[04:54] <OddAbe19> kquamme94, it's e-machines.. that's why
[04:54] <OddAbe19> :-P
[04:54] <OddAbe19> j/k
[04:54] <kquamme94> i agree that hoary is great, because i love it on the other machine
[04:55] <kquamme94> but i've tried 3 times to get hoary working on the emachine
[04:55] <kquamme94> it worked pretty good the 1st time
[04:55] <kquamme94> but i did a daily updates and somewhere it broke
[04:55] <kquamme94> i do agree with you abe
[04:56] <kquamme94> it is sorta a big piece of crap
[04:56] <OddAbe19> i guess it's a flip of the coin for hoary
[04:56] <OddAbe19> fortunately, i've gotten all heads
[04:56] <OddAbe19> :-P
[04:56] <mebaran> haha
[04:56] <kquamme94> intel stuff in it is harder then heck to get support for no matter what distro i use
[04:56] <kquamme94> ubuntu warty seems to be the best though
[04:56] <mebaran> OddAbe19: there have been sometimes some weird gnome dependencies
[04:57] <mebaran> that luckily got solved
[04:57] <princemackenzie> warty is "best distro ever" as far as im concerned
[04:57] <mebaran> haha
[04:57] <cutterjohn> darmou, I'm back, I suspect that the -pkg switch is like the -pkg-config that you use to compile gnome/gtk(mm) stuff with gcc, supplying all library/include paths and library refs...
[04:57] <Josip> hello, how can i get @uname.user ?
[04:57] <darmou>  mcs HelloWorld.cs -pkg:gtk-sharp -r:System.Drawing
[04:57] <mebaran> any of you know a good email contact manager
[04:57] <darmou> Compilation succeeded
[04:57] <randabis> I likes my hoary :p
[04:57] <mebaran> smaller than evolution
[04:57] <princemackenzie> maybe if i could get flux to work... then i'd be in heaven.
[04:57] <cam> hi guys i was using the old fglrx XFree driver, but now im trying to install the xorg driver its giving me this error
[04:57] <mebaran> I dont need any of the fancy stuff
[04:57] <cam> Removing `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-driver'
[04:57] <cam> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2' with
[04:57] <cam>   different file `/usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2', not allowed
[04:57] <kquamme94> i'll just stick with the trusty warthog until the hedgehog is ready for my burdens
[04:57] <OddAbe19> AHHHHHHHHH paste whore
[04:57] <darmou> ok so I need to update my pkg-config?
[04:57] <randabis> mebaran I think thunderbird has a contacts manager
[04:57] <mebaran> good one
[04:57] <mebaran> ?
[04:58] <mebaran> with a calendar
[04:58] <mebaran> and ability for Bday stuff
[04:58] <cam> OddAbe: paste whore is more like pasting 10 lines?
[04:58] <OddAbe19> meh
[04:58] <randabis> no it doesn't have all that
[04:58] <OddAbe19> lol
[04:58] <cutterjohn> X.org: does anyone run it with builtin accelereation on ATI Rage Mobility M3?  Any problems with it?
[04:58] <OddAbe19> i just feel like being an ass
[04:58] <kquamme94> would you guys like a screenshot of my fresh install?
[04:58] <cam> congrats on the good job ;)
[04:59] <OddAbe19> sure
[04:59] <bob2> lord
[04:59] <randabis> oh noes!
[05:00] <cutterjohn> darmou, no it should already be done for you, but you'll have to specify via the -pkg option for various frameworks for the time being.  Hopefully it'll get automated someday maybe...
[05:00] <princemackenzie> "no" as a plural confuses me
[05:00] <cam> dpkg: error processing fglrx-driver (--remove):
[05:00] <cam>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
[05:00] <randabis> rawr
[05:00] <Destructo> so any experts about a weird question / issue
[05:00] <darmou> ok thanks cutterjohn
[05:01] <kquamme94> http://teamproq.ipowerhosts.com/11805.gif
[05:01] <kquamme94> check that out
[05:02] <kquamme94> it's my mac-inized desktop
[05:03] <cutterjohn> kquamme94: what theme is that?
[05:03] <randabis> my OSPenquin > your OSPenguin
[05:03] <kquamme94> i few combined :)
[05:03] <HostingGeek> helix alert
[05:03] <kquamme94> i can tell ya the names
[05:03] <kquamme94> or send ya the files
[05:04] <randabis> http://img28.exs.cx/img28/9176/lol0xi.jpg
[05:04] <randabis> OSPenguin :p
[05:04] <cutterjohn> kquamme94: the names would be great.
[05:04] <kquamme94> randabis: i like it
[05:04] <princemackenzie> how does one do that transparent terminal
[05:04] <kquamme94> ale-panther2
[05:05] <kquamme94> and
[05:05] <froust> Can anyone tell me a good mp3 player for linux?
[05:05] <kquamme94> apphole
[05:05] <princemackenzie> xmms
[05:05] <mindphasr> amarok
[05:05] <kquamme94> xmms
[05:05] <randabis> vlc, rhythmbox
[05:05] <Seq> muine or rhythmbox
[05:06] <randabis> Transparent terminal...you have to use something besides gnome-terminal
[05:06] <mindphasr> only xmms and amaraok have equalizers.
[05:06] <kquamme94> cutterjohn: use ale-panther-2 for controls and apphole for the window boarder
[05:06] <kent> randabis, that thing in the upperleft corner, what is it? next to the menu..
[05:06] <randabis> I use Terminal of xfce fame
[05:06] <randabis> show desktop button
[05:06] <froust> what is the mp3 plugin for rhythmbox?
[05:06] <cutterjohn> kquamme94: thx
[05:06] <kquamme94> how did you get the mac-like launcher at the bottom? is it a desklet?
[05:06] <randabis> gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:06] <kquamme94> cutterjohn: np
[05:06] <fdas> vlc rules
[05:06] <randabis> yeah it's a gdesklet
[05:07] <kquamme94> cutterjohn: took me awhile to find that right combo
[05:07] <qazwer> beep
[05:07] <regeya> gst-dangitthanksrandabis
[05:07] <kquamme94> randabis: where do i go to find it?
[05:07] <cutterjohn> kquamme94: you know back in the day, there used to be a window manager that emulated classic macos look & feel...
[05:07] <randabis> do you already have gdesklets installed with gdesklets-data?
[05:07] <princemackenzie> yes i want to know how to rice out my screen like that
[05:08] <princemackenzie> i do =P
[05:08] <stuNNed> lol
[05:08] <stuNNed> it is of the uber rice
[05:08] <randabis> princemackensie you need to use another terminal program such as Eterm or Terminal
[05:08] <kquamme94> randabis: now i do :)
[05:08] <randabis> I use Terminal
[05:08] <randabis> kquamme it's called starterbar
[05:08] <kquamme94> k
[05:08] <qazwer> i think beep better xmms
[05:09] <mindphasr> Which version of x.org did transparency start to appear in?
[05:09] <randabis> I'm gonna check out beep now just because I like having lots of choices
[05:09] <Destructo> damn i getting the weirdest errors
[05:09] <mindphasr> randabis: Check out amarok..
[05:10] <randabis> ok will do
[05:10] <randabis> is it in the repos?
[05:10] <cutterjohn> aterm will do it too...
[05:11] <kquamme94> i can't get gdesklets to start
[05:11] <princemackenzie> http://img99.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img99&image=screenshot27sl.jpg
[05:12] <princemackenzie> is how im looking now
[05:12] <mindphasr> randabis: yeah, it is but I suggest to download from source and get the 1.2 beta3
[05:12] <kquamme94> i ran it in terminal and it said something about gtk-mainloop being deprecated
[05:12] <stuNNed> ok this beep cr*p just crashed gnome-panel forget that
[05:12] <kquamme94> would that affect it
[05:12] <randabis> not sure, works in hoary
[05:13] <mindphasr> beep is just a port of xmms to gtk2
[05:13] <kquamme94> maybe i just have to wait and do a reboot
[05:13] <randabis> there's a guide to gdesklets on the ubuntu forums also that might help
[05:13] <mindphasr> kquamme94: This isn't windows.. you never need to reboot unless you are installing new kernel :)
[05:14] <kquamme94> mindphasr: lol, well what about an X restart
[05:14] <kquamme94> i did just update some of that stuff
[05:15] <Kyuuketsuki> hello all
[05:15] <mindphasr> kquamme94: That is best way to restart gnome, yeah
[05:16] <Kyuuketsuki> is it?
[05:16] <kquamme94> mindphasr: i'm not too concerned with it.... i'm actually concerned it will clutter my screen
[05:16] <kquamme94> mindphasr: i'll worry about it tomorrow
[05:17] <mindphasr> k
[05:17] <randabis> err
[05:17] <randabis> no way to add a whole directory in beep?
[05:17] <kquamme94> is there a good terminal to dl right now that i can make transparent?
[05:17] <randabis> Eterm, aterm, Terminal
[05:18] <mindphasr> kquamme94: gnome-terminal, rxvt, eterm, aterm...
[05:18] <kquamme94> terminal it is
[05:19] <princemackenzie> im d/ling aterm now
[05:19] <randabis> okay, I already don't like amarok :p
[05:19] <randabis> qt app
[05:19] <princemackenzie> i have aterm up... how do i make it transparent?
[05:20] <princemackenzie> apologies for n00bness btw
[05:20] <cutterjohn> aterm
[05:20] <randabis> I don't use aterm so I don't know
[05:20] <princemackenzie> eh, im just gonna relax about it
[05:20] <thenuke> I dont know either but you could google it up :)
[05:21] <mindphasr> princemackenzie: aterm +tr
[05:22] <kquamme94> yey, got that done
[05:22] <kquamme94> i should make it start up on boot up
[05:22] <cutterjohn> +tr IIRC
[05:22] <princemackenzie> hmm
[05:22] <princemackenzie> the +TR is doing nothing
[05:22] <princemackenzie> i mean
[05:22] <princemackenzie> +tr
[05:22] <cutterjohn> lowercase
[05:22] <princemackenzie> no caps.
[05:23] <princemackenzie> eh no worries
[05:23] <princemackenzie> i can live without i think.
[05:23] <randabis> in Terminal you just edit your preferences :)
[05:23] <cutterjohn> there is a way of changing the transparency level, but I don't recall the switch at the moment, try man aterm
[05:24] <kquamme94> brb
[05:24] <randabis> so, beep users, there's no way to add a whole directory to beep?
[05:24] <randabis> if not it loses :p
[05:24] <cutterjohn> randabis, doesn't terminal require a good chunk of gnustep?
[05:25] <randabis> not sure I just used the installer
[05:25] <neighborlee> does anyone have audio working with the mozilla-plugin-vlc with say a .mov file ?..im trying to play a .mov at startrek.com and its not doing the audio ;)
[05:25] <randabis> and apt-getted the things it said it needed
[05:25] <randabis> it needs dbus, I know that
[05:26] <mindphasr> cutterjohn: hes using xfce terminal
[05:26] <wasabi> Um. I just upgraded to hoary to give it a go. As soon as the kernel boots, it says "Enter password:" now.
[05:26] <princemackenzie> i found how to affect the transparency via google
[05:26] <kquamme94> that didn't work quite as planned
[05:26] <wasabi> But, the keybaord doesn't work, and I dont know WHAT password
[05:26] <kquamme94> oh well, i have another idea
[05:26] <cutterjohn> mindphasr: oh, I forgot that xfce even had one, I was thinking terminal.app from gnustep..
[05:26] <mindphasr> cutterjohn: no one still uses gnustep ;)
[05:27] <kquamme94> lol
[05:27] <cutterjohn> mindphasr: I think that someone forgot to tell the developers as it looks like they've been pretty busy recently...
[05:27] <kquamme94> ok, well i'm out for the night, cya all later