[00:18] <RAOF> coreycb: Would you like to roll in the neutron 1:2014.1.4-0ubuntu3 that's still waiting in the trusty-unapproved queue? That's the fix for lp: #1463844
[04:41] <wgrant> RAOF: The SRU from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pip/+bug/1324391 has made python-pip uninstallable.
[04:42] <wgrant> python-pip -> python-pip-whl -> python-requests-whl
[04:42] <wgrant> And python-requests-whl is only in trusty-proposed.
[04:42] <wgrant> So python-pip from trusty-updates is uninstallable.
[04:42] <wgrant> setuptools and six also seem to be missing their -whl in -updates.
[04:52] <RAOF> wgrant: Balls.
[04:53] <wgrant> RAOF: Quite.
[04:53] <wgrant> RAOF: I'm tempted to roll back -updated to -1ubuntu1, unless the other three SRUs are ready.
[04:54] <wgrant> Though I don't know how the phased updater deals with the currently phased version vanishing.
[04:54] <wgrant> infinity: ^^
[04:55] <RAOF> Requests is ready, modulo an autopkgtest regression for neutron which may or may not be its fault.
[04:55] <RAOF> As is six.
[05:07] <RAOF> Hm. I'm tempted to let requests and six through; the neutron autopkgtest that they fail has never passed in trusty-updates, and there's a neutron SRU in unapproved that needs touching before acceptance and should get whatever autopkgtest fixes are necessary.
[05:08] <wgrant> You don't think the new requests will break existing neutron deployments?
[05:10] <RAOF> It doesn't appear to; the neutron autopkgtests pass until they die in apparently the same way they've been dying since Feb.
[05:10] <RAOF> That said, killing -1ubuntu3 from updates seems like a good idea.
[05:11] <wgrant> The phased updater successfully makes things disappear due to Soyuz bugs, so I suspect it will stop phasing something if it goes away.
[05:11] <wgrant> So it's probably safe to delete -1ubuntu3 and restore -1ubuntu1 in its place.
[05:16]  * RAOF would like it if his laptop didn't mysteriously hang and then no longer see the bluetooth device, but he.
[05:16] <wgrant> Heh
[05:17] <RAOF> Also: wtf? Where has my ipv4 gone?
[05:17] <wgrant> Do you want me to do the remove-package + copy-package?
[05:17] <RAOF> wgrant: Yes please.
[05:18] <RAOF> wgrant: I can't reach launchpad for some reason.
[05:18] <wgrant> That's a bit weird.
[05:38] <RAOF> So, it would be nice if my laptop didn't choose this particular moment to become really flaky.
[05:38] <wgrant> Picky.
[05:39] <RAOF> I think *this* boot I have both bluetooth *and* ipv4 internet!
[05:39] <RAOF> Have you done the remove+copy?
[05:39] <wgrant> Yup, -1ubuntu1 is back in place.
[05:40] <wgrant> Published, in fact.
[05:56] <infinity> wgrant: The phased updater is bdmurray's baby, not mine, but if you're rolling back to a previously known-good version, just phase it to 100% out of the gate, and life should be fine.
[05:57] <wgrant> infinity: My concern was that it might decide that 10% was good, so it would bump to 20% and supersede the old version.
[05:58] <wgrant> But it hasn't done that yet, and the fact that it doesn't revive binaries after Soyuz eats them suggests that it isn't going to.
[05:59] <infinity> wgrant: Yeah, I've never looked at the code, but it might be sort of smarter than that.  Or, as you hint, so dumb that it appears smart in this case.
[05:59] <infinity> I should fix the eating binaries bug, though.
[05:59] <infinity> I mean, not on the soyuz side, that's your mess.
[06:00] <wgrant> I looked at the code once but didn't get past about line 50.
[06:00] <infinity> But by getting around to triggering the world.
[06:00] <wgrant> Because I died of XSS.
[06:00] <infinity> <= One run per publisher pretty much guarantees avoiding the override bug.
[06:00] <wgrant> Indeed.
[06:01] <infinity> Well, until an AA overrides something in the same run as the phased updater does. :P
[06:01] <infinity> But if an AA is overriding things in -updates, they've already messed up, and should be prepared to deal with the fallout.
[08:02] <cjwatson> infinity: Looks like the Haskell transition got close enough to some relevant tipping point that it traded things off and disentangled itself from the nettle transition.  So, um, win?
[08:03] <cjwatson> I suspect it was because the new GHC has GHCi on all Ubuntu architectures and so made various odds and ends installable on three more architectures, enough to balance out the incomplete transition.
[08:08] <infinity> cjwatson: GHCi on all 6 arches?  Ooo.
[08:08] <wgrant> We'd best add some more.
[10:08] <cjwatson> OMG openstack python3ness
[10:08] <cjwatson> presumably a long way to go ...
[10:16] <sil2100> infinity: hey! I'm looking for someone with ubuntu-cdimage knowledge, as I don't know the code - both our touch images for vivid and wily failed building yesterday due to some qatracker milestone issues
[10:16] <sil2100> infinity: could you help out?
[10:21] <infinity> sil2100: The person you want for isotracker stuff is stgraber.  But lemme have a quick look before I go to bed.
[10:22] <sil2100> infinity: thanks! The logs have some info: vivid/daily-preinstalled-20150624.log and wily/daily-preinstalled-20150624.log
[10:22] <infinity> sil2100: Which project?
[10:22] <sil2100> ubuntu-touch
[10:23] <sil2100> Tried looking at the code, but it would probably take much longer for me to trace back to where it's getting all the milestone information from
[10:23] <sil2100> And where it's used
[10:23] <infinity> sil2100: So, that doesn't look like a failure... Just a failure to post to the tracker.
[10:24] <sil2100> infinity: oh, is that normal?
[10:24] <infinity> sil2100: I certainly see images here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20150624/
[10:24] <sil2100> Yeah, the rootfs built correctly, but I thought it failed later in the build image steps
[10:24] <infinity> sil2100: No, it's not normal for it to fail to post, but it's also not fatal.  And I assume you don't use the ISO tracker anyway.
[10:24] <sil2100> infinity: ah, ok, thanks :)
[10:25] <sil2100> Nevermind then!
[10:25] <infinity> sil2100: Anyhow, you can probably bug stgraber to figure out why the tracker integration is breaking, but it shouldn't be harming you any, I wouldn't think, unless your tools rely on the tracker instead of hitting cdimage directly.
[12:32] <cjwatson> component-mismatches-proposed fixed
[12:32] <cjwatson> https://git.launchpad.net/germinate if you want the gory details
[12:48] <coreycb> RAOF, yes, I'll roll in the neutron 1:2014.1.4-0ubuntu3 trusty updates, thanks!
[13:36] <Riddell> anyone know why "marble,calligra,libkgeomap" won't transition? I can't work it out from http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[13:49] <cjwatson> Riddell: Given that the same packages are mentioned in transition groups further up, I think they're tangled in a larger transition
[13:50] <cjwatson> Riddell: You can see them mentioned in the one starting "abiword,libwps,..."
[13:50] <cjwatson> Riddell: micahg mentioned some status on that on #ubuntu-devel earlier today
[13:58] <Riddell> mm thanks
[14:18] <utlemming> infinity, stgraber: pitti's upload for udev (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1468091) is confirmed to fix Cloud Images. If we can this promoted, I can trigger a new set of builds.
[15:06] <Laney> cjwatson: if you've some time, can you maybe help execute his proposed solution?
[15:06] <cjwatson> Laney: I don't
[15:06] <cjwatson> (sorry)
[15:06] <Laney> 'k
[15:14] <coreycb> RAOF, arges: we have a new neutron 1:2014.1.5-0ubuntu1 in the trusty upload queue that includes the updates from neutron 1:2014.1.4-0ubuntu3.  can you review the most recent neutron 1:2014.1.5-0ubuntu1 and reject the other two that are in the unapproved queue?
[15:14] <arges> coreycb: looking
[15:15] <arges> coreycb: done
[15:17] <coreycb> arges, thanks
[18:10] <stgraber> sil2100: I'll take a look at the posting failure for touch
[18:16] <mdeslaur> arges: the gtksourceview2 control file is automatically regenerated from control.in during build, the change wasn't a manual one
[18:16] <mdeslaur> arges: can I re-upload them as-is?
[18:16] <arges> mdeslaur: Yea makes sense, seems wierd it was dropping a name.
[18:16] <mdeslaur> arges: yeah, it's odd
[18:17] <mdeslaur> arges: do I have to re-upload them, or are they still available for you to release?
[18:17]  * mdeslaur uploads them
[18:19] <arges> mdeslaur: I can review from the Rejected queue... but re-uploading (As you've already done) is fine
[18:19] <mdeslaur> thanks
[18:19] <arges> sorry about the noise
[19:18] <sil2100> stgraber: thanks! It's not anything serious though, I thought it is a real error by mistake
[19:19] <stgraber> oh, that's one odd error
[19:19]  * stgraber looks at tracker
[19:21] <sil2100> Well, it's a real error, but not anything actually breaking image builds - that's what I meant
[19:23] <stgraber> sil2100: so looks like somebody actually did disable those products on the tracker...
[19:23] <stgraber> sil2100: but the log has since rotated so I can't see who
[19:25] <stgraber> anyway, re-enabled
[19:29] <sil2100> stgraber: oh, thanks o/


[00:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: In case you are wondering --- still there :P
[00:57] <guiverc> i gathered that.... I'm not worried; my plan was to be elsewhere now, alas too busy focusing on screen & missed when I had to leave... will try again in mins anyway (thus expect me gone for ~90+ mins)
[01:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Podcast Ubuntu Portugal: E287 O Filho Pródigo Torna a Casa @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e287/
[01:25] <Bashing-om> UWN: Saturday's a wrap - saved and out - edit count at 24.
[04:04] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om   (on added 'updated installation media')
[04:05] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Oh I just filled in the blanks :P
[04:06] <guiverc> I suggest removing "." in '"Ubuntu Jams Day event."' as you continue after the quote (I was always told a full-stop in/outside of sentence applies even outside of quotes..   that maybe aussie-english rules I don't know
[04:07] <guiverc> (we were advised in HSC to just remove full-stops inside quotes & only use them in our own text to avoid losing marks; ie. punctionation outside of quotes being easier
[04:07] <guiverc> (hsc = higher school certificate.. don't exist any more, but matriculation, or whatever the 'current' term is)
[04:08] <Bashing-om> looking :D
[04:09] <guiverc> i'm not reading properly.. gotta walk pup .. mostly reading your comments/replies..
[04:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: You read that last right - removing that stray period.
[04:10] <guiverc> the KDE Slimbook one.. you've added "Plasma 6"... should that be "KDE PLasma 6".... I recall somewhere in a talk (possibly KDE Project) being told to refer to KDE Plasma (not KDE, not Plasma)
[04:12] <guiverc> you won't do it, but please don't copy/paste my KDE Plasma;  my case is incorrect ^
[04:12]  * guiverc off for quick walk with pup
[04:15] <Bashing-om> Well in that case will make it KDE Plasma :P
[04:44] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om
[04:48]  * guiverc going to edit (we've got nested <!-- & --> that aren't handled as nested)
[04:50]  * guiverc out
[17:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: See AirPods Battery Level in Ubuntu @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/02/see-airpods-battery-levels-in-ubuntu
[20:10] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opening 828 - adding stats&reports .
[21:20] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue828 up for review and final edits: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-828/42590 :D
[21:28] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om , will get to it (when I can)
[21:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: k - plenty of time yet - distractions so could be errors I failed to catch :(
[21:31] <guiverc> ack
[23:40] <guiverc> just noting here, but suggest s/22.04.4 products and flavors/Ubuntu 22.04.4 products and flavors/  (22.04.4 released)
[23:51] <guiverc> s/meeting agenda amd Q&A/meeting agenda and Q&A/  (jams day)
[23:51] <Bashing-om> Fat fingered !
[23:52] <guiverc> maybe also s/Inquires may be made to/Inquires may be made at/  (I think 'at' reads better, [ i'm ignoring the spelling of 'enquiries'  :)  ]
[23:54] <guiverc> FLiSoL:  suggest s/This post also serves the call for speakers/This post also serves as the call for speakers/ (addition of 'as' I suggest)
[23:56] <Bashing-om> opening 828 for several edits :D
[23:57]  * guiverc is still reading (and very slowly; I'm mostly elsewhere)


[05:11] <nuvolari_> 'morning fellow geeks
[05:19] <nuvolari_> morning kbmonkey
[05:19] <nuvolari_> do you use dvorak?
[05:20] <nuvolari_> :P
[05:20] <kbmonkey> hello nuvolari :-) how are ou
[05:20] <nuvolari_> ou is good oo?
[05:20] <kbmonkey> nope I don't use dvorak
[05:21] <superfly> ohi kbmonkey and nuvolari_
[05:21] <kbmonkey> this keyboard has such a shabby design, i keep pressing the wrong keys :p
[05:21] <nuvolari_> morning superfly
[05:21] <nuvolari_> kbmonkey: then why are you a kbmonkey? lol
[05:21] <kbmonkey> I bought a new one, but got home, my pc does not have a ps2 port anymore! oh noes!
[05:21] <kbmonkey> hi superfly!
[05:21] <nuvolari_> hmm, must be an old keyboard/old stock
[05:22] <superfly> kbmonkey: anymore, or is it so old that this is before ps2 ports for keyboards? :-P
[05:22] <kbmonkey> ha ha superfly, no its not that old, guess this mainboard just doesnt have one
[05:23] <kbmonkey> been learning so much Python the last few days. it's a nice language.
[05:24] <superfly> kbmonkey: nice? NICE?! Those flowers are "nice". Miss Thompson, the new school teacher is "nice"
[05:24] <nuvolari_> ok, it's ok
[05:24]  * superfly wonders if anyone is old enough to catch the reference
[05:24] <nuvolari_> :P
[05:25] <nuvolari_> I heard it somewhere superfly, cant recall where though
[05:25] <kbmonkey> I remember that! ha ha. the source escapes me
[05:25] <superfly> it's an old Fiat advert
[05:25] <kbmonkey> okay its fuckin' fantastic! :D
[05:26] <nuvolari_> or just really fantastic *cough*
[05:26] <superfly> well, I wouldn't go so far as to swear about it, but it definitely is fantastic
[05:26] <nuvolari_> have anyone seen this? http://idle.slashdot.org/story/11/03/07/191232/Crew-Builds-a-Flying-House-Modeled-After-UP
[05:27] <superfly> nuvolari_: yeah, saw that the other day.... interesting
[05:27] <kbmonkey> Is that swearing? oops, my bad.
[05:27]  * kbmonkey tones it down
[05:28] <kbmonkey> just wish we used it at work, that would be lovely :)
[05:28]  * superfly uses it at work
[05:28] <superfly> :-D
[05:28]  * kbmonkey is going green
[05:29] <nuvolari_> ossum lol, a flying house!
[05:30] <kbmonkey> hi nuvolari, do you like the new /. design?
[05:30] <nuvolari_> kbmonkey: it's not *that* much different... well, from what I can see :P
[05:31] <nuvolari_> I don't use it much though because I'm subsrcibed to the dialy mail
[05:31] <nuvolari_> *daily
[05:31] <kbmonkey> I really hate how it breaks browser features. like searching text in a page, or nto auto-saving yoru login anymore :(
[05:32] <nuvolari_> what do you mean? searching inside emails works just fine :P
[05:33] <kbmonkey> ha ha :) I know, not on the site though, in rolled-up comments.
[05:36] <kbmonkey> do you get to work from home superfly?
[05:36] <superfly> nope
[05:37] <nuvolari_> a good thing IMO
[05:37] <superfly> agreed
[05:37] <nuvolari_> it sucks to work from home
[05:37] <linuxboy> superfly: you're nice
[05:37] <superfly> especially if you have a toddler, then you spend more time chasing them than doing work
[05:37] <superfly> linuxboy: thanks linuxboy, you're nice too ;-)
[05:38] <linuxboy> superfly: :)
[05:38] <linuxboy> oh, and btw, working from home is pretty rad
[05:38] <linuxboy> I'm doing it right now
[05:38] <linuxboy> (but I don't have a toddler)
[05:40] <kbmonkey> In that case, distractions would be infinite
[05:40] <superfly> if I had some sort of an office room at home, that would work for me, but without an office with a door I can close, too many distractions, and a toddler
[05:41] <kbmonkey> for sure, a home office is implied, without it I also prefer to travel out to work :)
[05:46] <kbmonkey> time to travel, have a good day you guys and girls :)
[06:04] <nlsthzn> top of the morning to you all
[06:05] <maiatoday> 'lo *
[06:11] <nlsthzn> Everything going well in ZA land?
[06:15] <superfly> hey nlsthzn and maiatoday
[06:17] <nlsthzn> superfly: alo :)
[06:21] <maiatoday> yep all good
[06:22] <nlsthzn> nice :)
[06:23] <nlsthzn> I made the UAE's first installfest the other day... at the end we had just over 30 wubi installs made successfully... was a long hard day :)
[06:29] <sakhi> moonin
[06:31]  * nlsthzn waves
[06:55] <nuvolari_> moonin sakhi
[07:27] <Symmetria> morning
[07:29] <superfly> hey Symmetria
[09:06]  * zerlgi bumps
[09:54] <bmg505> morning all
[10:14] <superfly> yo bmg505 and zerlgi
[10:15] <zerlgi> yo all
[10:16] <zerlgi> how is CutMan today?
[10:19] <superfly> pretty good thanks, work is quicker than expected, which is great
[10:24]  * zerlgi is at Zimbra training
[10:24]  * zerlgi .... is also hungry
[10:26]  * zerlgi waves at charlvn
[10:27] <charlvn> hi zerlgi
[10:47] <nuvolari_> o.O
[10:47] <nuvolari_> blegh
[10:48] <nuvolari_> the worst feeling: thumbtumbling at work waiting for new tasks :O
[10:51] <confluency> Read an ebook!
[11:04] <charlvn> nuvolari_: do some snake handling, that's always fun
[11:04] <charlvn> need to spend more time with python myself
[11:55] <superfly> I need to spend more time with my corn snake... he's a bit neglected :-(
[12:11] <linuxboy> superfly: you have one?
[12:14] <superfly> linuxboy: I do
[12:15] <linuxboy> superfly: rad
[12:15] <superfly> linuxboy: his name is "Dynamite" too
[12:15] <linuxboy> superfly: photos or it isn't true
[12:17] <superfly> linuxboy: http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/150533_10150324438960094_795295093_15755515_3245635_n.jpg
[12:17] <linuxboy> superfly: in your house?
[12:17] <superfly> linuxboy: yes
[12:18] <superfly> I don't have any on hand of me holding him
[12:18] <linuxboy> nice
[12:18] <linuxboy> when did you get him?
[12:18] <superfly> end of last year
[12:19]  * Owkkuri got bit feeding a cornsnake once
[12:19] <Owkkuri> thing tried to nom my thumb
[12:20] <superfly> Owkkuri: played with the mouse a bit before you fed the snake? :-P
[12:20] <Owkkuri> hehe
[12:20] <Owkkuri> perhaps
[12:20] <Owkkuri> was years ago, all i can remember is it bled a lot
[12:46] <nuvolari_> I'z hating production deploys
[12:52] <nuvolari_> o.O snake handling? I'll step on it, then ask its name :P


[06:58] <moodoo> morning all
[07:16] <popey> Good morning
[07:27] <AlanBell> morning
[08:06] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:08] <bashrc> hello
[08:25] <mungbean> what's the convention for dealing with emails from google recruiters?
[08:31] <popey> mungbean: depends if you're interested or not really
[08:31] <diddledan_> it's google, of course he's interested :-p
[08:31] <directhex> well... google send out a LOT of speculative recruiter mail
[08:32] <directhex> only a tiny fraction of people who pass the phone interview then pass the meatspace interview
[08:32] <mungbean> yes directhex , so is it OK to ignore
[08:32] <Laney> i usually get repeatedly hassled if i try that one
[08:33] <Laney> to ever increasing numbers of email addresses, including work ones
[08:33] <directhex> mungbean, if you want to jump through hoops for the slim possibility of a 60 hour a week job in london, then reply
[08:33] <directhex> otherwise, ignore
[08:33] <mungbean> i used to do that in my 20s..got burnt out..only just recovering
[08:33] <directhex> see also http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-12-19/
[08:36] <mungbean> i think the crazy working life will calm down soon now they are a mature company
[08:36] <mungbean> lots of the startup trendies will leave
[08:37] <bigcalm> Talking of crazy hours, is davmor2 on holiday or been shipped off to the USA?
[08:38] <mungbean> maybe its a good idea to send them my cv and say pop that on your file for later
[08:39] <Laney> just say "No thanks, but I'll contact you if my circumstances change"
[08:39] <directhex> they don't need your cv
[08:39] <directhex> they know how to find it on bing.
[08:40] <mungbean> nobody has it
[08:40] <bigcalm> Fnar
[08:41] <diddledan_> googlers bing for CVs? is that because the google index is too vast? and can bing be used as a verb in that way similarly to google?
[08:41] <mungbean> i would love to see the meeting where they decided bing was a good name
[08:42] <mungbean> i just wrote "rack unitys" in an email
[08:42] <diddledan_> I don't believe they did decide it was a good name. they just decided it was a name
[08:42] <mungbean> fingers want to type unity
[08:43] <Laney> bing demonstrates the power of the focus group to come up with inspiring brand ideas
[08:43] <mungbean> i'm launching a new search engine called bishbashbosh
[08:43] <mungbean> just bishbashbosh it
[08:44] <diddledan_> lol
[08:44] <diddledan_> what about "wibble"?
[08:46] <shauno> you can't wibble it.  not even just a little bit.  it sounds too much like a 90s flashback
[08:46] <dwatkins> How about flibble?
[08:47] <dwatkins> You could have plush characters called Mister Flibble and Mrs Flibble...
[08:47] <diddledan_> ooh aah just wibble it, ooh aah wibble it more!
[08:48] <mungbean> anyone tried the forthcoming gnome calendar app?
[08:49]  * dwatkins has to put some music on to drown out the sounds of 80s pop running around in his head now
[08:49] <mungbean> i'll drown it out
[08:49] <diddledan_> :-)
[08:49] <mungbean> tongue-tied...leaving me tongue -tied tongue-tied
[08:49] <dwatkins> ningy nongy!
[08:49] <mungbean> now get that sucker out of your head
[08:50] <dwatkins> darble derble
[08:50] <mungbean> from my head down to my liver...
[08:50] <dwatkins> easy, I have an e-mail from a German customer to translate and some nice loud psy trance drowning out any part of my brain that's not in use ;)
[08:51] <shauno> german customers are awesome.  there's no bug report like a german bug report.
[08:51] <dwatkins> shauno: indeed, they point out the flaws in the documentation by taking it apart word-by-word
[08:51] <mungbean> i spent 10 hours on the phone to a german support company once
[08:52] <mungbean> could have been fixed in 30 mins i reckon
[08:52] <jpds> mungbean: Luxury, I spent months in Germany this year.
[08:52] <dwatkins> my German customers ask about lines in logfiles which most people would simply ignore
[08:52] <mungbean> i had to take toilet breaks while on the call
[08:52] <jpds> dwatkins: It's all about prefection.
[08:53] <dwatkins> jpds: prefection, you say
[09:04] <bashrc> I never liked being a prefect
[09:06] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:10] <mungbean> morning uncle brobostigon
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning mungbean
[09:11] <mungbean> i was on the tube this morning and the driver braked hard then accelerated for another 50yds. woman fell over. two men leapt up to help her, she was ignoring them presumably as she was embarrassed at falling over :S
[09:11] <mungbean> awkward
[09:12] <brobostigon> yes, definatly awkward, but they did the right thing, in trying to help her.
[09:15] <DJones> Google/Android is getting clever, sharing wifi key's between devices, input a wifi key on one device, came to set up a 2nd device and it was already connected
[09:17] <brobostigon> yes, and can be useful, but you do wonder if that information is transferred encrypted or in cleartext.
[09:17] <popey> thats been around for quite some time I think
[09:18] <DJones> I hadn't come across it, one of those 'Oh' moments
[09:21] <NET||abuse> hi guys, i'm trying to pair an apple magic mouse to ubuntu, so system settings->bluetooth search for devices, Pin Options use 0000, find the mouse add it, it says device added, but then in the main blue tooth window the mouse is there but paired:no, connection: Off
[09:22] <NET||abuse> I try to flip the connection switch to on, it tries for a minute but fails.
[09:22] <popey> NET||abuse: do you have hid-magicmouse loaded?
[09:22] <popey> lsmod | grep magic
[09:23] <NET||abuse> nope, doesn't look like it :)
[09:23] <popey> filename:       /lib/modules/3.11.0-4-generic/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-magicmouse.ko
[09:23] <popey> looks like it exists
[09:23] <ikonia> I'd be interested in seeing how you find using a magic mouse
[09:24] <ikonia> (in linux)
[09:24] <popey> (on my saucy box)
[09:24] <ikonia> popey: do you use one ?
[09:24] <NET||abuse> yup, i'll let you know, i just don't have another mouse right now.
[09:24] <popey> nope, i have a magic trackpad
[09:24] <ikonia> not quite the same,
[09:24] <popey> dont use that either now I have my keyboard to kill all keyboards
[09:24] <popey> indeed
[09:24] <NET||abuse> well i hav a usb one, but my only 2 usb ports are taken up with ethernet adapter and keyboard
[09:25] <ikonia> popey: keyboard to kill all keyboard, you can't drop that without details
[09:25] <popey> trying to find a link
[09:26] <popey> P/N 55Y9091
[09:26] <popey> http://www.amazon.com/ThinkPad-USB-Keyboard-with-TrackPoint/dp/B002ONCC6G
[09:26] <popey> that
[09:26] <popey> (but UK layout)
[09:26] <ikonia> ahh, I know the one,
[09:27] <ikonia> so you actually use that as your day to day keyboard. Interesting
[09:27] <popey> yes
[09:27] <popey> two, one on laptop (in docking station) and one on desktop
[09:27] <popey> means I have the same layout whether on desk or lap
[09:27] <popey> and never have to move hands from keyboard to use mouse
[09:33] <mungbean> popey: you might like this
[09:33] <mungbean> https://github.com/chrisallenlane/cheat
[09:34] <popey> i am aware of that ☻
[09:34] <popey> nice idea
[09:34] <popey> in fact I'll add it to the notes for the podcast, ta
[09:53] <AlanBell> that is a nice idea, just the interesting bits of man pages :)
[09:53] <mungbean> trying to buy GTA chinatown for DS now :S
[09:53] <mungbean> we have problems with new users who are scared of CLI but have to use the cluster. this is ideal
[09:54] <AlanBell> CLI based GTA??
[09:54] <mungbean> two different threads..:P
[09:54] <Laney> you get points for rm-ing arbitrary files as root
[09:55] <dwatkins> haha, that would be awesome (CLI GTA)
[09:55] <mungbean> isnt that called dope wars?
[09:55]  * dwatkins fondly remembers Twin Kingdom Valley and other such text-based adventure games
[09:55] <mungbean> \o/
[09:55] <mungbean> open grate
[09:55] <mungbean> it is locked
[09:55] <diddledan_> unlock grate
[09:55] <diddledan_> >.<
[09:55] <mungbean> a grate is open
[09:56] <mungbean> rendered the pics as u went along
[09:56] <mungbean> nevr actually finished it. i think i have some unfinished business in my life
[09:59] <dwatkins> yeah, I just remember getting killed a lot in TKV by gorillas, but its simple pictures inspired me at the time
[09:59] <popey> There's still a bunch of people who make interactive fiction
[09:59] <popey> there's a competition every year called ifcomp
[09:59] <mungbean> i looked at making some myself
[09:59] <mungbean> the app was quite involved and looks like hard work
[09:59] <popey> http://ifcomp.org/
[10:00] <popey> got a month left to enter http://ifcomp.org/comp13/schedule.html
[10:02] <bashrc> Maybe you could write an IF about attending a LUG or installing Gentoo.  "You see a command line prompt..."
[10:02] <dwatkins> bashrc: I'm reminded of "L - a mathemagical adventure" in which you control a computer which is playing an adventure game...
[10:03] <dwatkins> Clearly the writers of the film Inception played this as children ;)
[10:44] <mungbean> wow, freemind has made v1.0
[10:45] <shauno> so did calibre, after 7 years
[10:46] <bashrc> Maybe there coule be an IF about a UDS.  "You try to connect to a hangout..."  "You can see a man on the screen.  He appears to be playing a guitar"
[10:46] <popey> czajkowski: http://imgur.com/gallery/DwdJdIc
[10:47] <bigcalm> Oh my!
[10:47] <czajkowski> awww
[10:47] <czajkowski> :D
[10:50] <bigcalm> Eye brows are almost out of control. Do I enjoy the weird look as I age or allow them to be trimmed?
[10:53] <directhex> bigcalm, pluck them, leaving only the monobrow join in the middle
[10:53] <directhex> like a little moustache on your forehead
[10:53] <mungbean> my terminal crashed :(
[10:53] <mungbean> but unusual
[10:54] <mungbean> not sure i wanna go with freemind anymore..chrome apps seem to fill that gap now
[10:58] <bigcalm> directhex: hummmmm
[10:59] <bigcalm> No
[10:59] <directhex> i'm tellin' ya, it'll be all the rage next year
[11:01] <mungbean> i have a file in /var/crash, why isn't ubuntu-bug adding it to the bug report?
[11:12] <NET||abuse> hmm, x1 only has  usb ports. bit of a challenge, need a port replicator
[11:12] <NET||abuse> display port works for now for external monitor, maybe i only need a usb hub
[11:36] <shauno> strange question.  what would cause "." to have an unexpected size?
[11:37] <directhex> howso?
[11:37] <penguin42> unexpected?
[11:37] <shauno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6040001/   (that's the entire contents of the dir)
[11:38] <shauno> I can't figure out why "." is 700K for an empty folder.  it's usually 4K
[11:38] <penguin42> shauno: It's just had zillions of files in at one point
[11:38] <penguin42> shauno: Or files with silly long names
[11:39] <shauno> hm, I guess I wasn't expecting it to stay inflated  (it's a maildir, so a zillion files is about right)
[11:40] <slvr> ext3 doesn't
[11:40] <slvr> garbage collect empty blocks in a directory
[11:40] <penguin42> what does ls -lsd of . say
[11:41] <shauno> 704 drwxr-xr-x 2 soneil soneil<PHONE_NUMBER>-08-29 12:22 .
[11:42] <penguin42> hmm so it's actually using a lot of blocks as well
[11:43] <shauno> was just curious because I'm trying to figure out where the mails are actually going, so having du lie to me keeps sending me up the wrong tree
[11:47] <shauno> I've misplaced ~90,000 emails.  it's slightly embarrassing.
[11:50] <NET||abuse> uhg,, having a bit of a 'mare with virtualbox repo server
[11:50] <NET||abuse> keeps grinding to a halt
[12:04] <NET||abuse> LUNCH!!
[12:15] <bigcalm> Bash - how does one check if $1 has been passed in?
[12:16] <diddledan_> [ -z "$1" ]
[12:16] <bigcalm> if [$1] will that do?
[12:16] <diddledan_> -z checks whether the string is empty and returns true if it is
[12:16] <bigcalm> Thanks
[12:18] <bigcalm> Yay, just found I can Alt Gr + - to get my \ back
[12:18] <bigcalm> Now, where might the pipe be hiding I wonder
[12:19] <bigcalm> 0.123456789*-+
[12:19] <bigcalm> Oops
[12:19] <Dave2> not there.
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> reverse polish?
[12:19] <Dave2> that's your num pad
[12:19] <bigcalm> |
[12:20] <bigcalm> There is is :)
[12:20] <bigcalm> Alt Gr + `
[12:20] <bigcalm> Or is it a different pipe symbol I wonder
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> that's a different one I think
[12:20] <mungbean> shauno: i wonder if there were files in there that got deleted or /dev/nulled but the process wasn't restarted so the file system has a handle on them still
[12:20] <bigcalm> This keyboard: |          Other keyboard with working key: |
[12:21] <mungbean> try lsof for that dir
[12:22] <mungbean> my local sainsburys had loads of sandwiches "use by 28 aug" still for sale at 12:30pm today
[12:23] <brobostigon> ST2 TWOK, film4, :)
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: if you tell them about that, they should fix that. If they don't, call in officials :)
[12:23] <mungbean> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10272953/Kim-Jong-uns-ex-lover-executed-by-firing-squad.html
[12:24] <mungbean> wow. don't date kim jong un
[12:24] <mungbean> MartijnVdS: i think i'll advise head office instead
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: oh that should work :)
[12:24] <mungbean> local staff will fix it while you are looking and then...
[12:40] <willwill100> yo
[12:42] <shauno> mungbean: nothing that complicated, they just get mv'd out once they've been parsed
[12:42] <shauno> (and I don't have 90,000 copies of the parser hanging around - I checked ;)
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> ... @ http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/1lbkgy/kentish_town_doesnt_look_like_kent_at_all/
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> also.. http://i.imgur.com/fF37MoB.png
[13:18] <bigcalm> Hehe
[13:18] <mgdm> 'armless fun
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> I didn't know she was a runner
[14:08] <mungbean> talktalk prices going up
[14:20] <mungbean> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/556341540/pressy-the-almighty-android-button?ref=category
[14:21] <mungbean> extra button for your phone
[14:22] <mgdm> How on earth do you remove that?
[14:22] <popey> what a brilliant idea
[14:22] <popey> finger nails?
[14:23] <mgdm> Nice idea, but I use my phone as a music player too often so I'd lose it :)
[14:23] <mungbean> yes, it sits a little proud
[14:23] <mungbean> mgdm: there's a key ring holder too
[14:23] <popey> http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/556341540/pressy-the-almighty-android-button/
[14:23] <mgdm> mungbean: oh yes, didn't clock that's what it was
[14:23] <ali1234> .... that's the stupidest thing i've ever seen
[14:24] <mungbean> ali1234: so you want one?
[14:24] <popey> haha
[14:24] <mungbean> it requires an app though
[14:24] <popey> I'm sure someone will reverse engineer it
[14:24] <ali1234> reverse engineer it??
[14:24] <ali1234> it's a switch and a connector
[14:25] <mungbean> double click for airplane mode
[14:26] <mungbean> one click for set alarm for the babby's feed
[14:26] <ali1234> also they're in for patent trouble
[14:26] <ali1234> it works exactly like how inline headphone remote controls work
[14:26] <ali1234> and that stuff is all patented by sony
[14:26] <mungbean> better buy one now then
[14:27] <mgdm> You could use it with a headphone extension cable and have a remote shutter for your camera, like real SLRs have! <stupid_idea>
[14:27] <mungbean> they also have the monster cable version
[14:27] <ali1234> mgdm: that is probably the least stupid use for it there is
[14:28] <mungbean> there's plenty of accessibility uses
[14:28] <shauno> I actually do the reverse, and use my phone as a remote shutter for my camera
[14:28] <mungbean> blind people can use it to answer calls
[14:29] <dwatkins> I'd like to build one of those attachments for the Nintendo DS that can be used to control a DSLR.
[14:29] <mgdm> I have an el-cheapo intervalometer off eBay (clone of a far more expensive Canon one)
[14:30] <dwatkins> I'm waiting for my Thermodo to be delivered, I couldn't have anything else in my headphone socket.
[14:31] <mungbean> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/520589318/switchy-carbon-fiber-key-holder
[14:31] <shauno> I have an ebay intervalometer too.  still prefer the phone.  has some neat tricks
[14:31] <mungbean> swiss key ring
[14:32] <ali1234> that's actually a fairly good idea
[14:32] <shauno> (like tweening the interval over time)
[14:32] <dwatkins> none of my keys are the same shape #firstworldproblems
[14:32] <ali1234> i just don't have that many keys
[14:32] <dwatkins> that too, I have three that I use - two for my front door, one for the bike.
[14:33] <dwatkins> oh and one for the room I keep my bike in, and two of those are 5-lever, the other two are yale
[14:33] <mungbean> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2065501355/smartkey-free-your-pocket
[14:34] <mungbean> stormfly :-|
[14:34] <mungbean> the $99 usb stick
[14:37] <mungbean> ugh http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/22595538/the-killing-of-tony-blair?ref=discover_pop
[14:38] <mungbean> cannot stand that man
[14:38] <bigcalm> Is there any one decent Android-on-a-stick TV dongle around? My main use will be streaming videos from mediatomb (on server) via MediaHouse-Pro (android)
[14:40] <slvr> The prblem with all those compact key solutions is that I have non-flat keys. Bike keys, cylindrical keys, security fobs.
[14:43] <slvr> I haven't actually tested any of those dongles, but I was surprised to find the GameStick in a local GAME store
[14:49] <bigcalm> Contemplating this as it has the least bad reviews: http://www.amazon.co.uk/SainSmart-MK802IIIS-Bluetooth-OpenVG1-1-Certificate/dp/B00B18K4T2
[14:49] <popey> http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/29/4671408/minecraft-update-set-to-overhaul-world-generator
[14:50] <ali1234> bigcalm: any particular reason you want android?
[14:51] <bigcalm> ali1234: so that I can also use my existing paid for apps
[14:51] <bigcalm> ali1234: and I like Android
[14:51] <mungbean> i tried grabbing a apk on my paid for app and couldn't find it the other day
[14:51] <ali1234> that might be a problem if you buy a cheapo android device... they usually don't support the market
[14:52] <bigcalm> Boo
[14:52] <ali1234> i like android too though
[14:52] <ali1234> the description of that one you linked claims it has google play
[14:53] <ali1234> i would get that independently verified before buying though
[14:55] <bigcalm> I would expect such an omission to make it into the reviews of the device. Haven't seen as such
[14:57] <bigcalm> Sod it
[14:57]  * bigcalm clicks a button
[14:59] <bigcalm> How might I find out if the USB socket on my TV is powered or not?
[15:00] <ali1234> it should have a special symbol if it's a charging socket
[15:01] <ali1234> according to wikipedia it might also be yellow
[15:06] <bigcalm> LE37B551A6WQXU
[15:06] <neuro> samsung 5 series?
[15:07] <bigcalm> Samsung yes
[15:07] <bigcalm> No idea about the series :)
[15:07] <neuro> scary that i recognise that
[15:07] <bigcalm> That's the model code
[15:07] <bigcalm> Haha
[15:08]  * neuro had an LE40N87BDX
[15:08] <neuro> well, has, it's up in my spare room with a busted PSU
[15:09] <bigcalm> :(
[15:11] <popey> Yellow ones power when on standby
[15:11] <bigcalm> I can't find my tv's code on the Samsung website :(
[15:11]  * popey wants a new telly
[15:12] <bigcalm> Me too, but an android dongle is the cheaper alternative :)
[15:12] <neuro> me too
[15:12] <neuro> i've picked mine out already
[15:12] <neuro> now i just need to win the lottery before they start charging more
[15:14] <neuro> "If a device requires high power (more than 500mA or 5V), the USB device may not be supported."
[15:14] <neuro> suggests powered to me
[15:15] <bigcalm> http://www.amazon.co.uk/JUSTOP-2000mA-Charger-Adapter-Supply/dp/B00AQGDDUC/ref=pd_sim_ce_5
[15:19] <bigcalm> neuro: where are you reading that?
[15:19] <neuro> from the manual
[15:20] <bigcalm> For what device?
[15:20] <neuro> http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200907/20090721125927046/BN68-02315G-00Eng-0608.pdf
[15:20] <neuro> your tv
[15:20] <bigcalm> Yay
[15:20] <bigcalm> How did you find it?
[15:21] <gordonjcp> neuro: what happened to the PSU, and is it repairable?
[15:21] <neuro> no idea, no idea
[15:21] <gordonjcp> hmm, I need to do the PSU on my panasonic soon
[15:21] <neuro> allegedly blown pots are common, i cba opening it to look since i'm not sparky knowledgable
[15:21] <gordonjcp> weird ripply interference when I'm using certain inputs
[15:21] <neuro> that could just be shonky cables
[15:22] <gordonjcp> no, it's different cables
[15:22] <gordonjcp> ^there
[15:22] <neuro> fair dues
[15:22] <gordonjcp> bah, cannot english today
[15:22] <neuro> YOU ENGLISH, ENGLISJ HARD
[15:33] <mungbean> had 15 mins left on the acution, got distracted with work, suddenly auction finished 30 mins ago :(
[15:38] <Myrtti> went to get my new broadband gateway from the mail
[15:38] <Myrtti> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2931896241 wwwhhheheeeeee
[15:39] <SuperMatt> good stuff
[15:40] <bigcalm> Funky
[15:42]  * funkyHat
[16:11] <imanc>  identify
[16:12] <diddledan_> aww, no password, imanc ?
[16:12] <diddledan_> :-p
[16:12] <bigcalm> My name is my passport, verify me
[16:12] <bigcalm> Damn it
[16:12] <diddledan_> sneakers, interesting movie
[16:13] <diddledan_> and it's my voice is my passport :-p
[16:13] <bigcalm> That might be your password, it's not mine :P
[16:14] <diddledan_> lol
[16:14] <diddledan_> good point
[16:14] <diddledan_> lastpass ftwt
[16:14] <diddledan_> s/wt/w/
[18:05] <ali1234> AlanBell: was it you talking about the animal wallpapers?
[18:06] <ali1234> i just found out they're all by vladstudio.com
[18:11] <ali1234> well, both of them
[18:39] <AlanBell> lots of other nice ones there too
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> any movie freaks in here? :)
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> as in, very interested in movies and the people who make them
[19:05] <daftykins> what are you driving at ^_^
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: people like that would probably like to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7RoL1FUR1g
[19:15] <daftykins> i don't recognise the names :D
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: "Some of his best known works were National Lampoon's Animal House, the music video Thriller, The Blues Brothers, and Beverly Hills Cop III."
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: the other one is a Mythbuster
[19:16] <daftykins> ah-har
[19:33] <micky> connect uk.irc.flightgear.org
[21:31] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[22:51] <daftykins> Buy a Samsung Chromebook, get a free smartphone 0o
[22:51] <daftykins> http://www.google.com/intl/en_uk/chrome/devices/samsung-chromebook-offer.html
[22:52] <Azelphur> that's cool, but doesn't list a price
[22:52] <daftykins> 'cause it's linking to other stores
[22:52] <daftykins> i'm browsing around
[22:53] <daftykins> £193.89 samsung one on amazon UK 0o
[22:53] <Azelphur> what phone does it come with?
[22:54] <daftykins> a samsung galaxy mini apparently
[22:54] <Azelphur> nothing worth phoning home about then
[22:54] <daftykins> see what y'did there XD
[22:54] <daftykins> hah ah yes, a gingerbread relic
[22:55] <daftykins> http://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-xe303c12-h01-chromebook-exynos-5250-1-7ghz-wi-fi-3g-11-6-silver/p231740131
[22:55] <daftykins> that one gets £50 off, so is £249 and the phone
[22:55] <daftykins> even worse, it's froyo if it means the mini v1
[22:56] <penguin42> cyanogenable?
[22:56] <daftykins> spec is so bad it wouldn't even be worth it
[22:56] <daftykins> 320x240 display with <200MB o' RAM
[22:57] <daftykins> nevermind :)
[22:57] <penguin42> I thought the Nexus4 had dropped to a pretty good price
[22:58] <daftykins> i can't even view the store without proxying via the UK
[22:59] <daftykins> what's the 16GB gone down to?
[23:00] <penguin42> 199
[23:01] <daftykins> !
[23:02] <daftykins> i got mine for 299 earlier in the year
[23:02] <penguin42> 8GB for 159
[23:02] <daftykins> i think it was around that anyway
[23:02] <penguin42> larger sizes are always rip offs
[23:03] <daftykins> yeah :(
[23:03] <daftykins> when i shop Dell for clients i do my own upgrades XD
[23:03] <dutchie> twice the size for less than twice the money!
[23:03] <dutchie> wait
[23:03] <dutchie> nvm
[23:04] <dutchie> ;)
[23:05] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh crucial for RAM
[23:06] <daftykins> :D
[23:07] <penguin42> daftykins: although if you get a regular Dell sales contact they used to be very flexible
[23:09] <daftykins> i tried to keep getting the same outsourced gentleman, but sometimes they'd be out of the office and their colleagues would climb over their own mother to get you to buy
[23:10] <penguin42> daftykins: Oh yeh it's great; it's like 'ok how much cna you *reallly* squeeze that down to'
[23:11] <daftykins> :)
[23:11] <daftykins> maybe i should threaten to switch back to their pals
[23:11] <daftykins> doubt i'll be talking to them again anytime soon though
[23:12] <penguin42> daftykins: I used to enjoy dealing with them - you could really squeeze them and get what you want; my only problem was after I'd trained one of their sales guys in how to handle me they'd get promoted
[23:13] <daftykins> d'aww :(


[01:33] <ubptgbot> Irving was added by: Irving
 hola amigos
[01:47] <ubptgbot> Efcinfor was added by: Efcinfor
 Hello
 O have a Nokia Lumia 730.
 I have*
 WhatsApp Will work until next december
 Vamos don't work anymore
 Vamos*
 Banks*
 It has a good hardware, I would like to use it with Ubuntu touch. Any Idea?
 Please
 Thanks
 Don't think there is anybody porting for that device, sry
 The thought of a Lumia 950XL running UT does sound really appealing.
 Thanks.
[03:04] <ubptgbot> ian_mcxa was added by: ian_mcxa
 I would attempt a port if I owned one, I dont though
[03:16] <ubptgbot> floatinghost was added by: floatinghost
 Can you even unlock the bootloader of those?
 My guess is that you'd have an absolutely terrible time trying to port to a (Windows Phone) Lumia device, possibly to the level of needing to reverse engineer the board layout.
 At least with even the most hostile Android device you know that there's a build of Linux that'll boot it!
 @RAOFest [My guess is that you'd have an absolutely terrible time trying to port to a (Win …], that's where you're wrong
 That said, it's also possible that it'd be quite pleasant porting, once you unlocked the bootloader, as IIRC at least some generation of Windows Phone mandated a UEFI bootloader so the hardware would be actually software-discoverable.
 Lumias are basically ARM pcs
 I have a build of Nemo Mobile on this 950XL
 @samzn [Lumias are basically ARM pcs], Is the baseband also available?
 (ie: Is it a phone, rather than just an ARM PC 😈)
 Yes, but currently not hooked up
 On W10Pro you can make calls just fine already
 [Edit] I have made a build of Nemo Mobile on this 950XL
 The WP phones were lovely hardware. It's a bit of a pity MS abandoned it.
 @Efcinfor [O have a Nokia Lumia 730.], Also see: Lumia930Pkg
 @RAOFest [The WP phones were lovely hardware. It's a bit of a pity MS abandoned it.], Means I can get my hands on cheap hardware
 (The software also started off being fairly similar to Ubuntu Touch, although to the extent that they made any updates to the SDK at all they generally went away from that over time)
 @RAOFest [(The software also started off being fairly similar to Ubuntu Touch, although to …], "Convergence" works so good on W10Pro on a Lumia 😛
 Main issue of booting Linux through GRUB on MSFT ARM devices is that the default UEFI doesn't map the correct memory areas Linux requires without some erratas
 (This is still the case on 835+ based devices)
 Again, if i had one, I would at least try to port it, dont need an android build to get UT working, just some drivers for basic things that make it usable
 which sections need to be formatted as ext4 before installing ut
 @samzn [I have made a build of Nemo Mobile on this 950XL], What was working/not working? (any blog/post somewhere)?
 Please add google pay aap in app store..
 @Mikeee_128 [Please add google pay aap in app store..], Did you make a Google pay app?
 @Mikeee_128 [Please add google pay aap in app store..], it will not be possible
 google pay is proprietary, doesn't have an open API, and the android app requires a verified android boot stack to function
 also, we can't do NFC currently from UT
[12:57] <ubptgbot> Rootz was added by: Rootz
 Port for moto g 2015?
 (Sticker, 445x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0ea5Mp5m.webp
 @Rootz [Port for moto g 2015?], That sticker should not be used
 (Sticker, 512x398) https://irc.ubports.com/yEQLHBq6.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/CROZ0o0B.webp
 @Rootz [Port for moto g 2015?], https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/112 and please delete the pepe sticker
 @dohbee [https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/112 and please delete the pep …], thanks
 @Kazord [What was working/not working? (any blog/post somewhere)?], Freedreno needs panel config, PCIe needs backporting (Already works on WoA), mostly everything else works as exposed by ACPI
 Could you write a "how to" on any place? I could be on github, maybe!
 [Edit] Could you write a "how to" on any place? Could be on github, maybe!
 @sativista [Could you write a "how to" on any place? Could be on github, maybe!], I'm not too interested in getting Ubports on it after some recent engagement here but I'd be more than happy to lend a hand to anyone interested
[14:26] <ubptgbot> Ihor Lupulyshen was added by: Ihor Lupulyshen
[14:38] <ubptgbot> <Nithin Padavu> Is there a way to add ctrl+ options to terminal other than the ones that exist
[14:38] <ubptgbot> <Nithin Padavu> Or get the ctrl key on the keyboard
 @Te-F [@Stefano0101 I really appreciate. Couple of day i want to install ubuntu on my p …], [Edit] Happy to help a newby to sort it out. It's community project and we help each other.
 https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/terminal-chapter-4-125
 You can make more profiles!
 @UniversalSuperBox [https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/terminal-chapter-4-125], When I asked about this, I was told to put my layouts under `~/.config/ubuntu-terminal-app/Layouts/`, which works fine.  The article mentions `~/.config/com.ubuntu.terminal/Layouts/`.  Which one is the correct one?
 The one that exists, probably
 I didn't write the article
 Which is the former.  The latter doesn't exist on my device.
 Can anyone tell me which partitions of the phone need to be ext4 for Ubuntu touch
 @RedBlade4555 [Can anyone tell me which partitions of the phone need to be ext4 for Ubuntu touc …], have you asked in halium? also i'm pretty sure the porting docs are pretty clear about what should be in fstab, generally
 @imraniqbal [Which is the former.  The latter doesn't exist on my device.], is terminal installed as a click or a deb?
 though i guess it doesn't matter exactly since terminal is unconfined
 @dohbee [is terminal installed as a click or a deb?], The default I believe.  I can't recall ever installing it via. deb.
 so maybe the dir changed for some reason when the newer version of terminal-app got shipped into UT, after the article was written
 @imraniqbal [The default I believe.  I can't recall ever installing it via. deb.], it's installed by default, so it could be a deb or a click
 (i wasn't sure how we were shipping it)
 Can't see it via. `dpkg -l`.
 but seems like it's a click (at least on my n5 on edge)
 Any idea who to talk to, to get the article updated?
 i mean it's a blog post from what, two years ago?
 oh, a little over a year ago
 so yeah, it was changed at some point; and blog posts are not a great place to keep documentation
 @dohbee [so yeah, it was changed at some point; and blog posts are not a great place to k …], https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/terminal-app/issues/70
 @imraniqbal [https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/terminal-app/issues/70], no, it's not because of that. there was a commit when canonical still maintained it, which renamed stuff internally (as part of the preparations to build a phone and PC system based on snaps/unity8). however, it was a newer branch of code, which wasn't shipped on UT unti
[16:57] <ubptgbot> l after we switched to 16.04, which was after the aforementioned blog post
 @dohbee [no, it's not because of that. there was a commit when canonical still maintained …], Is it worth getting the blog post updated in the meantime?  As a stop-gap until proper documentation is provided?
 i don't know. the post was correct at time of posting, and is still correct for anyone still running the 15.04 images (even though we don't support them)
 slowly comes in the room carrying github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com
 it's a heavy box to carry, tbf
 Oo oh Bluetooth seems to work better for me on N5
 anything have been improved on that topic ?
 Placebo
 lol
 cosmic ray alignment
 :), thought it was the blueZ thing
 upgrade
 not yet
 anyway, happy it work again :)
 bluetooth won't work on my nexus 5 no matter what version of bluez :(
 @dohbee [bluetooth won't work on my nexus 5 no matter what version of bluez :(], How so? It was working.
 @rubencarneiro [How so? It was working.], same reason wifi doesn't work. person who repaired my power button screwed up the wifi/bt connection
 That an I.C module that controls both wifi and bluetooth
 yes
 I repaired one once with a heat statition, isolate the board and gave some heat on the module.
[20:15] <ubptgbot> Rey was added by: Rey
[21:35] <ubptgbot> <A C> Because there is no option to publish the UT iso image on the official ubports page
[21:42] <ubptgbot> <A C> It is possible to offer direct download of the UT operating system through the official UBports website
 To answer your question as written before, no, it cannot be offered as an ISO image for phones. Phones need a special image created for each handset.
 Ubuntu with Unity8 offered as a download is a long-term goal, but we're not in a position to build that right now.
 As a remix
 Hello again … I finally installed Ubuntu touch in the phone. … Look n feel is great … But it is not detecting WiFi or my Sim card. … Any advice
 Redmi 3s prime by Xiomi … Codename: land
 @RedBlade4555 [Redmi 3s prime by Xiomi … Codename: land], https:/)t.me/ubports_porting
 Thanks
[22:37] <ubptgbot> <Alexander Pankiv> Sorry for dumb question, but: which mobile phone is latest of those supported by Ubuntu mobile?
 @Alexander Pankiv [Sorry for dumb question, but: which mobile phone is latest of those supported by …], Latest, or fastest?
[22:42] <ubptgbot> <Alexander Pankiv> Valid point indeed. Most powerful


[17:02] <jrwren> whoa... I had missed this... this is great: https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-1-1-1-1-for-families/
[17:04] <_stink_> nice!
[17:53] <greg-g> the danger of censorship: https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-mistake-that-caused-1-1-1-3-to-block-lgbtqia-sites-today/
[18:04] <rick_h_> yea...hello "slippery slope" debate
[18:05] <cmaloney> Please no
[18:05] <Scary_Guy> The things I hate most about censorship are __________ and __________
[18:06] <jrwren> yup.
[18:06] <jrwren> it is still a great product for some use cases.
[18:08] <Scary_Guy> China would disagree only because it doesn't go far enough. :P
[19:25] <Dekkard> lol
[19:26] <Dekkard> ok.. Im going to the store, who needs Matzo.. passover starts wednesday
[19:27] <Dekkard> anyone??
[19:27] <Dekkard> Beuhler??
[19:29] <cmaloney> I'll eat Matzo, but I don't need it
[19:30] <cmaloney> I can eat the leavened stuff just the same
[19:30] <Dekkard> they dont call it the bread of affliction for nothing
[19:31] <cmaloney> eh, they're actually kinda good. I quite like them
[19:31] <cmaloney> but if there's a shortage I don't need to eat them
[19:31] <Dekkard> lol
[19:32] <cmaloney> kinda like gluten free / vegetarian meals: I'll eat them but if someone needs then I'll be glad to let them have my share
[19:32] <Dekkard> got 5 boxes, including one from ukraine
[19:32] <Dekkard> no shortage here
[19:32] <cmaloney> <3
[19:33] <Dekkard> i always loose weight @ passover.. sandwiches loose their luster


[17:51] <akgraner> hey does anyone have the new Ubuntu Members information from the last emea board?
[17:56] <akgraner> internalkernel, ping
[17:56] <nhandler> I thought I saw some discussion from highvoltage about that earlier in another channel
[18:02] <highvoltage> yep, popey said that he'll do it, but I wasn't sure if he meant from now on, or including the last two meetings
[18:02] <highvoltage> mootbot didn't log our meeting as we thought, and because we don't have a secretary yet no one followed up. I got the logs this morning and put them into a tomboy note
[18:03] <highvoltage> if popey isn't working on it, then I'll just summarize it and send to -news, community-council, etc
[18:03] <highvoltage> and also make sure that someone's taking these notes at the next emea meeting (probably either popey or me)
[18:15] <akgraner> highvoltage, popey said he would going forward but I thought someone maybe you said you would grab the names from the last meeting
[18:15] <akgraner> sorry if I misunderstood
[18:15] <akgraner> highvoltage, do you have time to do them now from the last meeting on the 6th?
[18:16] <akgraner> I wasn't feeling well yesterday so as a result I am finishing up the newsletter now
[18:16] <akgraner> :-/  sigh
[18:16] <highvoltage> akgraner: I can do it on 7pm EDT tonight, unfortunately before then will be quite tricky
[18:16] <highvoltage> ooh, I see. ok let me see what I can do
[18:16]  * highvoltage tells people at work that they're projects can wait
[18:16] <akgraner> highvoltage, no worries - I'll grab them  as I need to publish before them but thanks!
[18:17] <akgraner> highvoltage, no don't do that - you need to make sure your lights stay on :-P
[18:17] <highvoltage> ok, thanks!
[18:17] <akgraner> nhandler, can you look over the upcoming meetings for me - I just need to double check them
[18:18] <nhandler> akgraner: Yeah. On the wiki?
[18:18] <akgraner> yeppers
[18:18] <akgraner> I am adding the last few summaries but if I can get people to look over what is already there that would rock :-)
[18:20] <nhandler> akgraner: I don't see the Kernel Team meeting on Tues
[18:21] <akgraner> hmmm
[18:21] <nhandler> And I thought we were also including the Classroom sessions (in which case the Installing LAMP session is missing)
[18:21] <akgraner> can you look on both Calendars and just add what is missing if anything
[18:21] <akgraner> and I know some of the meetings have already passed but want to keep the format the same :-)
[18:21] <nhandler> akgraner: Yeah. The formatting also changed on thursday
[18:21] <akgraner> hmmm
[18:22] <akgraner> nhandler, can you just update it and check with scott_ev on the particulars
[18:22] <akgraner> thanks!
[18:26] <nhandler> akgraner, scott_ev: Done
[18:26] <akgraner> nhandler, thanks!
[23:57] <akgraner> ok this week is officially sucking - we had a horrible storm here earlier and it took out everything
[23:57] <akgraner> just got the breakers replaced now I am back online to hopefully get newsletter finished - UGH!!!
[23:58] <holstein> hey akgraner
[23:58] <holstein> glad you made it :)


[06:00]  * tsimonq2 works on UWN
[06:51] <tsimonq2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 517 for the week of August 15 - 21, 2017 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue517


[12:19] <om26er> bug 414107 how to get it fixed in Ubuntu?
[12:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 414107 in gnome-disk-utility (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Palimpsest GUI impossible to use on small screen (affects: 24) (dups: 4) (heat: 137)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/414107
[12:20] <om26er> there is a working patch attached
[12:20] <om26er> (came from the upstream tracker)