[10:21] <OwaisL> Anyone successfully installed google-talk-plugin on Precise? It depends on ia32-libs which seems to be missing from precise
[10:21] <OwaisL> ?
[14:19] <seif> rodrigo_, u work on weekends too?
[19:08] <BillyZ> This is my first try at using this:  How do I change the desktop to the traditional type in 11:10?
[19:11] <Ampelbein> BillyZ: User support is better in #ubuntu. Short version: Install gnome-panel for the gnome3 fallback or gnome-shell for the regular Gnome3 experience.
[19:52] <desrt> ogra_: around?
[22:26] <jasoncwarner_> hey robert_ancell & RAOF, you guys good to call in 5 minutes ?
[22:27] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, yup.  it's on the conference line righ?
[22:27] <RAOF> Yup.
[22:27] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: yup!
[22:27] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, so we wont be able to hear eachother ;)
[22:29]  * RAOF needs to work out how to call into the conference line.
[23:24] <jasoncwarner_> hey RAOF , the bug you were looking at was going to involve Unity, nux and bamf? is that right?
[23:25] <RAOF> No, just Unity and nux.
[23:25] <jasoncwarner_> ah, ok...thanks


[10:33] <sun> hello all
[10:33] <sun> please i have issue on my laptop
[10:34] <sun> my wireless card didn't work


[00:28]  * arraybolt3[m] dumps an entire bucket of mandarin oranges on teward's computer
[00:29] <arraybolt3[m]> teward001: OK, good to know. I won't be able to participate in further activities until Sunday night, but I'll be back then.
[00:30] <kc2bez[m]> Take care
[06:11] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: oh hey, since that's a standalone Qt file, want to try compiling it against Qt 6?
[06:12] <tsimonq2> Might have to double check headers and ensure you have the correct packages installed
[15:35] <kc2bez[m]> How do we feel about switching to Falkon as our default browser? I've been on the fence for a while now but I am seeing more activity from them as of late.
 "How do we feel about switching..." <- Advantages - Disadvantages?
[16:42] <kc2bez[m]> Sure. Advantage - it is packaged in the Archive. It is light and fast; fitting with our theme. It uses the Qt toolkit so it should look consistent and utilize similar dependencies that we already have installed.
[16:44] <kc2bez[m]> Disadvantage - While well maintained, it doesn't have the same update cadence that Firefox or Chromium would have. It doesn't have the DRM stuff for some video playback. Extensions are minimal.
[16:47] <LeoK[m]> Of course those looking for more security etc can always use a browser of choice.
[16:47] <kc2bez[m]> Forgot one. Advantage - Ad blocking is built in.
[16:47] <LeoK[m]> Like the bit about fitting with our theme
[17:01]  * tsimonq2 has always wished we had a Calamares module to just ask the user these questions beforehand rather than having to fight over defaults
[17:02] <kc2bez[m]> > * <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> has always wished we had a Calamares module to just ask the user these questions beforehand rather than having to fight over defaults
[17:02] <kc2bez[m]> It is a possibility. I still think we need something for the live session users though.
[17:02] <LeoK[m]> What about a welcome screen where the user makes his choice after install..some of the flavours use similiar
[17:03] <kc2bez[m]> LeoK[m]: Yeah, i sort of left that project in a fallow state too.
[17:03] <tsimonq2> Eventually we'll nail something down. First I think we need to get our regular ducks in a row before we take on something like that
[17:04] <kc2bez[m]> I agree, I like a roadmap though
[17:05] <tsimonq2> As of a year or so ago we legit had a full Jenkins setup with a complete Britney2 clone and PPA builds on all virtual arches. Would warn on any Lintian errors. Was nice
[17:06] <tsimonq2> stable and unstable branches
[17:06] <kc2bez[m]> I know, the pandemic has been evil
[17:06] <tsimonq2> And we were close to backports too
[17:08] <tsimonq2> I personally really think we should just duplicate that setup BEFORE we switch infrastructure completely, get backports and ISOs going, then begin to offload that to something that isn't Java Monolith Jenkins
[17:08] <tsimonq2> I'm also willing to consider what's best for the project and not just my own personal opinion :]
[17:09] <tsimonq2> s/]/)/
[17:09] <LeoK[m]> Of course what is best the project is the main aim..
[17:10] <LeoK[m]> ^for the
[17:10] <kc2bez[m]> I agree with that, we need to keep things sustainable.
[17:11] <LeoK[m]> Another build failure on kinetic today
[17:11] <kc2bez[m]> Yeah, i am not too surprised. We are still waiting for some packages to migrate I think.
[17:12] <LeoK[m]> Well ..3 day weekend here
[17:12] <kc2bez[m]> !info libfm-qt
[17:12] <kc2bez[m]> erm
[17:13] <kc2bez[m]> anyway, fairly sure that is what we are waiting on.
[17:15] <kc2bez[m]> Oh, nice it looks like it migrated. probably not in time for the iso build though.
[17:22] <kc2bez[m]> It looks like it was still trying the old packages. `The following packages have unmet dependencies:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/80cab9fe6c8aadac45732fb5dfdb6ca9395467b7)
[17:25]  * kc2bez[m] pushed the rebuild button.
[17:37] <kc2bez[m]> still ```The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:37] <kc2bez[m]>  libfm-qt11 : Conflicts: libfm-qt
[17:37] <kc2bez[m]>               Breaks: libfm-qt9 but 0.17.1-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[17:37] <kc2bez[m]>  libfm-qt9 : Conflicts: libfm-qt```
[17:37] <kc2bez[m]> why?
 https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/amd64/libs/libfm-qt9
 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfm-qt
 Is libfm-qt11 the dependency?
[18:06] <kc2bez[m]> I think we need to wait for another britney run, there are still some things in proposed preventing lxqt-metapackages to be installed
 i will make an fyi i am still working on setting up Drone which is like jenkins but you configure tests/runs via a file in the repo and a hook in git
 simon: ^
 IS is slow though dealing with the evil of WP breaches right now
 so that obviously takes priority over the dns i need :P
[18:10] <kc2bez[m]> related what do we need to do to update our WP site?
 nothing.  it already is uptodate and hardened.
 and not run by Canonical IS lol
[18:13] <kc2bez[m]> Thanks for keeping an eye on it.
 yep
[19:57] <tsimonq2> https://debugpointnews.com/ubuntu-22-10-iwd/?amp=1
[19:58] <tsimonq2> Do any Lubuntu-specific tools depend on wpa-supplicant?
[19:58] <tsimonq2> Also, will anyone else be going to SELF coming up next week?
[20:01] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: I don't think so unless nm-tray does.
[20:01] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: Sadly not this year.
 nm-tray depends on Networkmanager and 3 other packages... but not wpa... (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: I don't think so unless nm-tray does.)
[21:09] <tsimonq2> Can anyone try to interpret what this change means for us?
[22:08] <kc2bez[m]> I can dive into it in a bit.
 "Can anyone try to interpret what..." <- Neal sums it up nicely here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iwd/+bug/1971739/comments/4
[23:14] <kc2bez[m]> The bug is marked incomplete as you see.
[23:16] <kc2bez[m]> TL;DR you need wpa_supplicant to do stuff like VPNs and 802.1X
 I like the idea of falkon... It's light, and the non-use of snapped firefox I suspect many bloggers would write positively about & may see that as an advantage...  we can stress firefox is available for those that need it.  It fits our 'light' aim I believe well. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> How do we feel about switching to Falkon as our default browser? I've been on the fence for a while now but I am seeing more activity from


[02:06] <pleia2> big, scary migration aborted due to a bug I found this evening, sigh, but at least this means I have my Sunday back :)
[02:12] <MrChrisDruif> Great to hear pleia2 =)
[02:12] <pleia2> hah, I have mixed feelings about it :)
[02:12] <pleia2> just means migration is postponed to *next* Sunday
[02:12] <pleia2> but at least I will have a few more work days to get the kinks worked out this weke
[02:12] <pleia2> week
[02:13] <pleia2> and I won't have to spend next Saturday on it like I did today
[02:13] <pleia2> ruined_weekends--
[02:13] <pleia2> anyway, I am going into weekend mode now, possibly with alcohol :)
[02:15] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, I'm off for the night. Should I send emails to the respected derivatives about the new section on UWN tomorrow?
[02:16] <pleia2> you can do it whenever you'd like :) you're in charge of this new section
[02:18] <pleia2> the xubuntu team used to send their meeting minutes to the ubuntu-news-team list, but we had a leadership changeover and things
[02:18] <pleia2> so haven't since september :\
[02:21] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, I'll get back on it tomorrow
[02:22] <MrChrisDruif> Sleep well everyone when the time cometh
[02:22] <pleia2> have a good night :)
[02:22] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks, bye =)
[16:16] <akgraner> working through these summaries - bbiab :-) playing taxi to my kids....
[17:39] <pleia2> can anyone else pitch in to help akgraner with summaries?
[17:40] <akgraner> pleia2, I'm up to in the press :-)
[17:40] <pleia2> :)
[17:41] <akgraner> I'll keep at it but anyone who wants to jump in please feel free :-)
[17:46] <akgraner> ITB and ION need summarizing :-)
[17:54] <akgraner> I've got 2 more in ITB and then it's just ION  - getting some lunch and I'll come back and finish (unless someone gets to it before I do :-D)
[18:19] <greg-g> can the gdoc link be added to the /topic ?
[18:31] <MrChrisDruif> ION?
[19:04] <greg-g> in other news, i think
[19:06] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, sounds about right
[20:33] <akgraner> oh sorry guys
[20:33] <akgraner> greg-g  - do you still need the link
[20:34] <greg-g> akgraner: found it... got distracted with other things though :)
[20:34] <akgraner> no worries  I'm back at mt computer :-)
[20:55] <bkerensa> akgraner: Wanna say hello to any of the Debian Ubuntu folks here?
[20:56] <akgraner> Of course I always like to meet new people :-)
[20:56] <akgraner> where is here?
[20:58] <akgraner> Hey folks on 3 summaries left  - and I am moving things to the wiki so that people can start reviewing them :-) Please and thank you
[21:12] <akgraner> I've moved everything to the wiki now and it's saving - In other new has the titles and link in that section as place holders for now .  pleia2 I'll do those last 3 summaries - can you proof once I get those added
[21:22] <pleia2> akgraner: I will try later, I'm about to head out the door to run some errands
[21:22] <akgraner> no worries - just wanted you to know you didn't have to stress about it :-)
[21:22] <pleia2> thanks :)
[21:30] <bkerensa> akgraner: my webcam is not working apparently that or its just the pangolin acting up
[21:31] <akgraner> ahhh
[21:31] <akgraner> no worries
[21:32] <akgraner> were you doing a google hang out
[21:32] <bkerensa> akgraner: Ahh no its just a bunch of us converting packages to multiarch and also doing SRU Verification
[21:33] <bkerensa> but a good bit of Canonical people are here (Allison Randal, Brian Murray and Steve Langasek) plus DD's
[21:33] <akgraner> Tell them I said hello - I <3 those folks
[21:35] <akgraner> bkerensa, you are in good company!
[21:35]  * akgraner just managed to get my very 1st ARM Board to boot :-) woo hoo!
[21:49] <akgraner> Ok all the summaries are in  - so it just reviewing etc
[23:08] <MrChrisDruif> akgraner; congratz with the ARM board booting =)


[00:55] <user|90257> I updated Kubuntu 19.04 this morning and now I don't get my Desktop anymore. Any ideas what happened?
[00:59] <user|90257> Discovery asked me to update my system and now I get a black screen when I login after the update. Help
[04:56] <pragomer> hi. i am running kubuntu 18.04.3
[04:57] <pragomer> I am trying to find a dolphins service plugin that can "use this jpg as wallpaper"... but none of the downloadable plugins seem to work.
[04:57] <pragomer> even after reboot
[04:57] <pragomer> are they all outdated? or do I miss something here?
[04:57] <pragomer> the issue is: they dont appear in the servives list nor in dolphins context menu
[05:46] <valorie> pragomer: what does dolphin have to do with wallpaper?
[05:46] <valorie> right-click on the desktop, choose your chosen wallpaper, etc. and boom, done
[05:47] <valorie> nothing to do with dolphin
[05:58] <pragomer> valorie: hi.. i want to set the wallpaper via right-click "select as wallpaper"... like it is available in every other DE..
[06:49] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:08] <viewer|53> Hi, can I ask questions here?
[13:23] <mparillo> Yes, and if anybody knows the answers, you will get a response. Note that as people join and leave, the answers may not be immediate.
 Good day all. I took a quick look at Plasma 5.17 using the beta ppa. Nothing new to report but I have 2 quick things. One, GTK apps are still not themed properly by default. The workaround to fix it is to change the GTK 2 and 3 themes to something else and then back to Breeze in Appearance settings. The other thing is more of a question about a default. xdg-desktop-portal-kde is installed by default but not enabled. It's easy enough
[15:55] <proctrap> ericadams if you want this to seen by ppl you should probably make an issue
[15:55] <proctrap> this way it's more present, IRC is nice for short talk or help but nothing persistent
[16:01] <staxas> hello, I could use some help withe 'present all windows' desktop effect
[16:01] <staxas> it seems broken
 @proctrap, Fair enough. Do you consider theese Kubuntu or KDE issues? Not sure myself.
[16:12] <proctrap> probably KDE
[16:12] <proctrap> you could ask there
[16:12] <proctrap> (IRC) #kde
[16:13] <proctrap> but this also depends on the environment settings
[16:13] <proctrap> so technically it can be a kubuntu issue
[16:13] <proctrap> but I don't think so
[16:13] <proctrap> (emulating the theme by setting environment variables to mimic the kde theme in gnome, different technology stack)
[16:13] <proctrap> but that's the end of my knowledge :P
[16:15] <staxas> thank you, I HAVE POSTED A QUESTION ON THE KUBUNTU FORUM
[16:16] <staxas> sorry
[16:20] <proctrap> oh that's probably also good
[18:24] <mozmck> Question: what are the two input boxes in the installer under the option  "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted lvm"?  It appears that I can't continue without putting something in them, but there is absolutely no indication what they are for!
[18:25] <mozmck> A picture is shown here, but no helpful text: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation#Use_entire_disk
[18:27] <diogenes_> mozmck, do you need encryption?
[18:27] <mozmck> Yes
[18:28] <diogenes_> then i guess the second option would be good.
[18:28] <mozmck> diogenes_: I've done full disk encryption on LinuxMint (but not LVM) and it was straightforward.
[18:28] <diogenes_> but it will erase everything.
[18:28] <mozmck> diogenes_: second option is just LVM, not encrypted.
[18:29] <mozmck> It's a new blank drive
[18:30] <diogenes_> hmm sorry i have never used encryption, maybe someone who uses it would be more helpful.
[19:15] <genii> mozmck: Seems to me the boxes would be for: password and: password again to confirm they match
[19:16] <mozmck> genii: thanks.  I decided that's what they probably were and entered the same password in each and it let me continue.
[19:17] <mozmck> genii: but that is a rather obvious flaw in the installer that should be fixed.  This is on kubuntu 18.04.2
[19:17] <genii> You should probably write down whatever you set it to, and store it somewhere safe in case later you need it
[19:23] <valorie> argh, I filed a bug against the installer about the lack of labels over and over, for years
[19:23] <valorie> still no labels?
[19:24] <valorie> mozmck: ^^^
[19:24] <mozmck> valorie: Yes, on the screen to set up an encrypted LVM.  On the screen for username and password the boxes were labeled.
[19:25] <valorie> I'm looking for the bug report so you can add your input
[19:25] <mozmck> valorie: it looked just about like the screen shown here, except there was not even the key icon: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation#Use_entire_disk
[19:26] <mozmck> https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/c/c6/Disksetup-15_10.png
[19:27] <valorie> 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' in the commandline is the best
[19:27] <valorie> hopefully while you are in the process
[19:27] <valorie> but later is fine
[19:27] <mozmck> What does that all mean?
[19:28] <mozmck> Can I get a commandline while installing?  I've already finished the install now.
[19:29] <valorie> oh yes, you always have the terminal
[19:30] <valorie> control+alt+f4
[19:30] <valorie> for me, control+alt+f1 to come back
[19:30] <valorie> but that might be different for you
[19:30] <valorie> just keep trying until you return to the gui
[19:32] <genii> In the GUI installers, yes, 1st console is usually the one running the installer and 2-7 others which are available. In server install, 1 is installer, 2,3 are available and 4 is installer output for debugging
[19:33] <valorie> I can't seem to search well today for the ubiquity bug about missing labels
[19:36] <genii> bug 1681830
[19:36] <genii> valorie: ^
[19:36] <valorie> excellent!
[19:36] <valorie> thanks, genii
[19:37] <valorie> triaged
[19:37] <valorie> not FIXED
[19:37] <valorie> why
[19:38] <valorie> mozmck: please add your input to the above BR
[19:41] <mozmck> Just did - thanks!
[19:42] <valorie> thank you!


[11:58] <dzho_> yano: sorry, I didn't notice/remember that it's followers only
[11:59] <dzho_> basically, I followed their fediverse account early on, but when I noticed that Session is run by coinbros I unfollowed
[12:33] <yano> dzho: ah gotcha


[07:49] <enyc> Unit193: thankyou!! =).
[07:54] <enyc> ... makes me wonder who is master of the multiverse ;p


[01:41] <osmosis> can anyone tell me how to disable the udev feature that renames my eth devices when the mac changes?
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> osmosis, i dont think you can. you can just remove the record of macs
[02:09] <osmosis> Kamping_Kaiser: yah, thats what everyone else has been saying too.
[09:18] <c1|freaky> does someone know of a web addressbook?
[13:46] <Jaac> Hmm, could i install webmin and ispconfig at the same time?
[13:46] <Jaac> Does it work together?
[13:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont use webmin on an ubuntu system
[13:47] <Jaac> Ok good info? Do you perhaps know why?
[13:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> !webmin
[13:47] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[13:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought the bot had a link :(
[13:48] <Jaac> Well the text is pretty clear, though webmin, for me, as starting linux user is an easy way of administrating the server
[13:48] <Jaac> ISPconfig si good, but it just doesnt cover everything i want to administter
[13:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont know anything about ispconfig, sorry
[13:49] <Jaac> Ok nps, thanks for your help though :)
[13:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> next ubuntu will include something called ebox. not sure if its in this release
[13:49] <Jaac> Ok
[13:55] <Jaac> Maybe a stupid question, but is there a GUI that runs through putty as in ssh?
[13:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> anything that can be forwarded over SSH
[13:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> ssh server needs x11 forwarding enabled, the client needs to request it, and the app has to be happy to run over it
[13:58] <Jaac> Hmm, so any GUI, like KDE and GNome works? or is there on specific one that works over ssh?
[13:58] <Jaac> I mean though, do they work directly, or do they need another app, like vnc to be adminsterred remotely
[13:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> you would forward individual applications, not the whole UI
[13:58] <Jaac> ah k
[13:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> whole UI you'd use soem sort of VNC
[14:12] <Jaac> Did you use AWstats for site statistics sometime? All went well, exept the generating of stats, even after running the cron job myself...
[14:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> no i havent.
[14:13] <Jaac> Ok, fast R/T there though :)
[14:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[16:05] <ScottK> Jaac: You might look into ebox.  I've not used it, but I know it's planned for Hardy as the webmin like (but works) way of administering an Ubuntu server.
[16:06] <dthacker> webmin is evil
[16:08] <ScottK> dthacker: We've established that.
[16:17] <svschwartz> hi all
[16:18] <svschwartz> anybody know tools for creating drive images ?
[16:22] <nealmcb> sommer: which version is http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html   and is the gutsy server guide up?  I don't see it in https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/ ?   ahh - you have to look in "Advanced Topics" - seems unfortunate
[17:46] <Jaac> Thanks ScottK, i looked into it this afternoon, but im not yet sure if its stable enough to use on 7.10 gutsy, but ill surely look again, it seems as the best alternative at the moment.
[17:47] <ScottK> That's the conclusion soren came to when he looked in at the alternatives.
[17:47] <ScottK> The only reason it's not in Gutsy was lack of time to get it packaged.
[17:47] <Jaac> Hmmm, i shoudl take a look into the default repository's then :)
[17:48]  * ScottK knows nothing about it specifically, just that it's the one Ubuntu intends to package.
[17:48] <ScottK> My preferred server management tool is vim.
[17:49] <Jaac> Hehe, good though, but im just not familiar enough with finding all the conf and log files
[17:55] <ScottK> Something like ebox is fine, IMO, for getting started, but you should set yourself a goal of understanding things well enough not to need it even if you choose to use it.
[18:18] <bardyr> Hey, does the ubuntu 7.10 server support VIA x86 cpu's ?
[18:20] <bardyr> and what is the difference between Jeos and the server edition?, my target machine is a 200mhz, 128mb ram box so what would be best?
[18:22] <nealmcb> ScottK: yeah - I wonder if ebox could tell you what it has done, or preserve diffs somewhere or even use source control on /etc....
[18:23] <nealmcb> bardyr: jeos is not for real hardware - just for virtual machines - stripped-down kernel
[18:24] <bardyr> nealmcb, so there is only support for the virtual hardware that VMware, Virtualbox, etc uses?
[18:24] <nealmcb> bardyr: yeah - just drivers for the basics
[18:25] <bardyr> thats smart
[18:27] <bardyr> did the 7.10 server support VIA x86 CPU's i have tried with the 7.04 server edition but it complains about there is not a matching kernel
[20:38] <eghjaytee> does anyone in here have any insight with using GFS with ubuntu server 6.06?


[02:50] <bgamari> How many folks actually run Karmic presently?
[03:20] <Rocket2DMn> i do, but not on a machine i need to be stable
[03:23] <hggdh> I do
[03:24] <hggdh> bgamari, but to answer your question: only a few, most probably, right now. It is still too soon to risk it, unless you are willing to put up with the pains of potential serious problems
[03:25] <hggdh> ideally you should run it on a test machine or a VM
[03:32] <bgamari> Alright, I'm thinking of switching from Fedora to Ubuntu
[03:32] <bgamari> I'm currently running Rawhide which has been pretty stable
[17:59] <raymondjtoth> can i test the new 9.10
[17:59] <raymondjtoth> i want to help make ubuntu better each time
[17:59] <raymondjtoth> and how i join the offical testing team
[18:02] <raymondjtoth> hi any one here'
[18:02] <raymondjtoth> can help me a sec im new here
[18:02] <raymondjtoth> dead room
[18:26] <hggdh> oh, the haste


[01:15] <ChinnoDog> hi swift1102
[01:17] <swift1102> how are you
[01:19] <ChinnoDog> I am fine. Checking in on work stuff to preempt the flood of emails tomorrow.
[01:23] <swift1102> cool
[01:23] <swift1102> long time no see
[01:41] <ChinnoDog> I've been busy. Packing my stuff to move. Not gone yet though.
[01:42] <swift1102> you moving from dc
[01:46] <ChinnoDog> Yup
[01:47] <swift1102> why
[01:48] <ChinnoDog> To live on my sailboat.
[01:48] <ChinnoDog> I mean.. to run Ubuntu on my sailboat.
[01:49] <swift1102> hmm
[01:49] <swift1102> seriously
[01:50] <swift1102> who else comes in here thats local
[02:09] <ChinnoDog> Everyone?
[02:09] <ChinnoDog> Well, not JonathanD
[11:19] <JonathanD> Hi.
[11:19] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: I'm localish...


[08:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Sewing Machine Day! :-D
[09:54] <karni> JamesTait: you never cease to entertain me :)
[09:54]  * karni plays with words, and imagines a happy sewing machine ;)


[04:15] <Conna> Does anyone know what date Kubuntu 24.04 was launched?
[10:15] <VanUnamed> so i will try re-installing kubuntu
[10:15] <VanUnamed> and then update again
[10:15] <VanUnamed> and see if i get again "supplicant" bs
[10:37] <tomreyn> VanUnamed: when you're looking to get help with 'under the hood' (non kde specific) questions, such as "why does wpa supplicant not work", asking in #ubuntu can be an option, too (ubuntu uses the same foundation, and there are usually more volunteer supporters there)
[10:37] <VanUnamed> isnt this kde specific?
[10:38] <tomreyn> i'm not sure if reinstalling will be of much use. you should probably try to get the system online by other means and then get help with debugging the situation.
[10:38] <VanUnamed> issue is, i dont have other means. i have my cellphone to check things once i am on that laptop
[10:39] <tomreyn> i assume it is not. but then i don't know where you're seeing the message, or what your logs are looking like.
[10:39] <VanUnamed> on the dash
[10:39] <VanUnamed> i click connect, and it pops up with this
[10:39] <tomreyn> do you have a usb cable you can connect between computer and cellphone?
[10:39] <VanUnamed> yes?
[10:40] <tomreyn> you can use tethering via usb to get the computer online
[10:40] <VanUnamed> on linux?
[10:40] <tomreyn> yes
[10:40] <tomreyn> enable connection sharing on the mobile phone, connect the cable, head over to network settings and bring up the new network connection listed there
[10:41] <VanUnamed> lets try that here
[10:42] <VanUnamed> its kde/ubuntu based here too
[10:42] <tomreyn> where is "here"?
[10:42] <VanUnamed> mint 17
[10:42] <tomreyn> i was thinking you were trying to solve an issue in kubuntu?
[10:43] <tomreyn> mint isn't supported here or in #ubuntu
[10:43] <VanUnamed> the issue is in kubuntu.
[10:43] <VanUnamed> i cant find connection sharing on my phone
[10:43] <tomreyn> ok, so i assume you rebooted the computer whihc normally runs kubuntu to linux mint somehow
[10:44] <tomreyn> is it an android or apple phone?
[10:44] <VanUnamed> android
[10:45] <tomreyn> https://support.google.com/android/answer/9059108 - see the "Tether by USB cable" option below
[10:46] <VanUnamed> ok found
[10:46] <VanUnamed> thanks
[10:46] <VanUnamed> so when i go on kubuntu, what do i do with the internet?
[10:47] <VanUnamed> i already tried many things
[10:47] <VanUnamed> read many forum posts
[10:49] <tomreyn> i'm not too familiar with kubuntu, but with the android phone connected and cnonection sharing enabled on it, you should be able to go to network settings in kubuntu and bring up the new network device there.
[10:50] <VanUnamed> I Will check later
[10:50] <tomreyn> it will probably be called something with usb, or like your phone, and have a wired connection icon.
[10:50] <VanUnamed> thanks for the tip
[10:50] <VanUnamed> yes, i tried here in mint and it does that
[10:50] <tomreyn> once you're back online, you can get help inspecting your logs
[10:50] <VanUnamed> as here is kde same as kubuntu, it will most likely work there too
[10:53] <tomreyn> probably, unless the relevant packages got uninstalled somehow.
[10:53] <VanUnamed> cus, im unsure if it was because fo the update, or because of me messing with it
[10:53] <VanUnamed> but im 99% with updates.
[10:53] <VanUnamed> arent the update supposed to make things better?
[10:55] <tomreyn> they usually do, the situation where an update breaks something for some or all combinations of hardware and firmware and operating system and package versions is rare, but can't be entirely ruled out.
[10:56] <tomreyn> such is called a 'regression' by the way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_regression
[12:32] <user|27> has anyone found the solution to the problem of getting Bang and Olufsen audio working on a HP Elitebook with Kubuntu?
[12:39] <tomreyn> user|27: this won't be a generic issue in the way you describe it. you'll need to find out more abou the specific hardware and drivers you have.
[12:41] <tomreyn> from memory, i think package alsa-utils provides a tool alsa-info.sh, which you can run to gather information on your audio chipset, codec, and computer
[12:41] <tomreyn> actually just alsa-info, not alsa-info.sh
[12:43] <tomreyn> you need to run it with sudo
[13:08] <VanUnamed> now i go on kubuntu
[13:08] <VanUnamed> brb
[13:16] <vankubuntu> there i am
[13:16] <vankubuntu> ok how do i estrapolate logs?
[13:17] <vankubuntu> "Authorization supplicant failed"
[13:22] <vankubuntu> shhh
[13:22] <vankubuntu> maybe i fixed it
[13:22] <vankubuntu> lets restart and try
[13:27] <vankubuntu> ok it works, no idea what went wrong there
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[17:51] <makk50> Hi everyone, I wonder if this is the correct place if  anyone is having today problems updating kubuntu 24.04. It is trying to eat my desktop. Is there an specific channel for pre-release versions?
[17:56] <bprompt> makk50: hmm well, hmm I don't run the 24.04, yet so hmmm but I'm thinking the guys at #ubuntu-release might be able to say something
[17:59] <makk50> Thank you @bprompt !
[23:09] <frozenbeets> hello
[23:12] <frozenbeets> sup
[23:16] <gimbleguy> hello
[23:23] <frozenbeets> how are you?
[23:33] <frozenbeets> is there other chat rooms on libera?
[23:33] <frozenbeets>  how do you find them>
[23:48] <frozenbeets> thanks for ur help he heh


[15:38] <xamanu> Hi, can you help me on how to get the wiki page about me deleted?
[15:39] <xamanu> It says it is an immutable page... :( But I would like to clean it.
[15:39] <xamanu> It contains personal and partially inaccurate information about me, that I no longer would like to have on it.
[15:39] <xamanu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/xamanu
[15:39] <xamanu> After I logged in and I'm not allowed to do anything with the site. the "delete" part is grayed out.
[16:25] <xamanu> It would be good to remove the page and the account, please.


[10:48] <ddalton> can anyone tell me how to install ubuntu with braille?
[10:49] <ddalton> i downloaded the  alternate cd but when i boot into the installer nothing happens if i switch to text console start brltty, i get braille output, but when switching back toe installer, the display says "screen not in text-mode" how can i use a text-based installer?


[00:00] <bdmurray> nigelbabu: it makes sense to me if we only want notifications of bugs with patches
[00:47] <nigelbabu> bdmurray:  only trouble now is we we dont know how many people are working on reviews
[00:47] <nigelbabu> ok, you can know by mooking at moderation queue
[00:52] <bdmurray> nigelbabu: actually any comment on a bug that the team is subscribed to will end up in the moderation queue - which also means metoo's will go there - which I think is a good thing
[00:55] <nigelbabu> bdmurray: metoo?
[00:56] <bdmurray> nigelbabu: if some random person comments on a bug that happens to have the team subscribed it won't go to the mailing list
[00:56] <nigelbabu> ah
[00:57] <nigelbabu> only not everyone is subscribed
[00:59] <nigelbabu> bdmurray: is there anyway to be midway?
[00:59] <nigelbabu> i.e. have only members of the team and people who've applied be able to post
[01:00] <bdmurray> maybe one could update the list of posters with the list of team members?
[01:00] <nigelbabu> or we can say subscribe to list but keep web only if you dont want mails
[01:01] <nigelbabu> that way we can know how many people actually review bugs, so easier for dholbach to deal with membership requests
[01:03] <nigelbabu> bdmurray: btw, the graphs are supposed to show u-m-s and u-u-s too? aren't they redundant?
[01:13] <bdmurray> nigelbabu: not for the long term historical perspective
[01:14] <nigelbabu> oh, ok :)
[01:14] <nigelbabu> bdmurray: you're admin on the list right?
[01:15] <bdmurray> nigelbabu: of the patch review mailing list? yes
[01:15] <nigelbabu> ok :)
[01:15] <nigelbabu> I'll think of something to add to the wiki
[01:16] <nigelbabu> also, is it possible t get a list of mails in moderation queue? (I dont know how mailman works)
[01:16] <nigelbabu> so on patch day if I want to know who helped and in what way
[01:24] <bdmurray> nigelbabu: probably but I'm not certain how to best get it in a usable format
[01:27] <nigelbabu> bdmurray: any thing would be fine.  even a tar perhaps
[06:45] <dholbach> good morning
[06:49]  * ajmitch waves
[06:49] <ajmitch> so I suppose we've got a whole pile of fixes to review that should have gone into lucid
[07:09] <nigelbabu> ajmitch: just fyi, we have a whole pile of stuff from before  dapper ;)
[07:10] <ajmitch> I'm not at all surprised
[07:10] <nigelbabu> though for now we're giong from latest patches to older
[09:50] <nigelbabu> Ciemon: the point where we are in the release cycle also influences the "getting into debian vs getting into ubuntu"
[09:53] <Ciemon> ok.. but the importance of the bug is also a major influence?
[09:55] <nigelbabu> of course
[10:00] <nigelbabu> dholbach: I'm working on a new Getting Started page, and we'll move the Review Guide elsewhere
[10:00] <dholbach> nice
[10:01] <dholbach> give me a shout if you want me to doublecheck or review or anything
[10:01] <nigelbabu> yes, once I finish :)
[10:01] <nigelbabu> I need your help later in writing html with python
[10:01] <dholbach> ok :)
[10:15]  * ajmitch sees some life in the channel
[10:16] <nigelbabu> ajmitch: ;)
[10:17]  * ajmitch is just bored waiting for a slow computer to install lucid packages
[10:17] <nigelbabu> I will only do a clean install
[10:17] <ajmitch> I only do a clean install on getting new hardware
[10:18] <ajmitch> my original ubuntu install used to be a debian install carefully upgraded to ubuntu :)
[10:18] <nigelbabu> wow
[10:19] <ajmitch> there wasn't as much divergence from debian when hoary was in development
[10:20]  * ajmitch feels so old :(
[10:21] <nigelbabu> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/Z4QAoFdt7v
[10:21] <nigelbabu> ajmitch, dholbach, persia (and anyone else intersted) thats a potential new getting started page ^
[10:22]  * ajmitch reads
[10:22] <nigelbabu> I'm making the joining M/L a requirement.
[10:23] <nigelbabu> It helps keep track of contributors
[10:23] <ajmitch> ok
[10:23]  * ajmitch joins it
[10:23] <ajmitch> you don't prefer them to be in a LP team?
[10:23] <persia> I like it, except that I disagree with the mailing list bit.
[10:23] <ajmitch> good evening persia
[10:24] <nigelbabu> persia: did you see my reasoning?
[10:24] <persia> But that's mostly from a cui bono point of view, rather than any specific set of objections.
[10:24] <persia> Yeah.  I still don't see any benefit *to me* to being on the mailing list.
[10:24] <nigelbabu> no, there isn't much
[10:24] <nigelbabu> but for new contributors, yes
[10:24] <ajmitch> nigelbabu: it refers to ~ubuntu-reviews, should that be ~ubuntu-reviewers?
[10:25] <persia> nigelbabu: How is there benefit *to the new contributor* to join the mailing list?
[10:25] <nigelbabu> persia: I know thta they have contributed beforehand
[10:25] <nigelbabu> I see the mails everyday
[10:25] <persia> How is this a benefit to them?
[10:25] <nigelbabu> or we can checkup on the mailing list to see it
[10:26] <ajmitch> that doesn't help them, just doing the work helps them
[10:26] <nigelbabu> easier for membership?
[10:26] <nigelbabu> oh yeah, it helps us
[10:26] <ajmitch> you could see activity from a person whether they're on the list or not
[10:26] <persia> Not really, since anyone who does anythig reasonable will have a couple good examples anyway.
[10:26] <nigelbabu> Agreed. Scratching.
[10:27] <nigelbabu> Remove the whole thing off? Or just give an option?
[10:27] <ajmitch> Give it as an option if they want to keep up with general review activity that's going on
[10:27] <persia> MInd you, it makes it *lots* easier to track stuff.  I just don't think there's any value to making something mandatory or requiring it unless it can be made to offer a benefit to the person who must perform the action.
[10:27] <ajmitch> But keep the high-traffic warning :)
[10:28] <nigelbabu> 10 mails a day is high traffic?
[10:28] <ajmitch> This would end up with every comment & status change to every bug the team is subscribed to, right?
[10:28] <nigelbabu> I said high traffic becuase it would be when everyone subscribed
[10:28] <nigelbabu> no, only when subscribers comment or change anything
[10:29] <nigelbabu> like if emet makes a change, I wont see it because he isnt subscribed
[10:29] <persia> I'm not sure I understand the value of the mailing list at all then.
[10:29] <nigelbabu> only benefit is getting a crack at the newest patches
[10:29] <persia> If it tracks *everything* that's useful.  If it is a discussion forum, that's useful.  If it tracks an arbitrary subset of stuff, seems pointless.
[10:29] <ajmitch> nigelbabu: I thought this would be for tracking bugs that ~ubuntu-reviewers is subscribed to, and that you'd keep the team subscribed to bugs
[10:29] <ajmitch> Or do you prefer to have the reviewers unsubscribe the team, like with -sponsors?
[10:30] <nigelbabu> when the review is over, they are to be unsubscribed
[10:30] <nigelbabu> persia: You've got a point there.  Should we move our disscusions to the M/l from now?
[10:30] <ajmitch> so it'll track all the comments & status changes on the bug until that point
[10:31] <ajmitch> (assuming that the mailing list is the contact address for the team)
[10:31]  * persia isn't a big ML user :)
[10:31]  * ajmitch has the firehose on for a select set of packages
[10:31] <nigelbabu> ajmitch: no.  Oddly, it does not.  It only does so for the subscribers of the M/l (yeah, even I'm confused)
[10:32] <ajmitch> nigelbabu: Something is fishy there
[10:32] <nigelbabu> ajmitch: I dunno mailmain backend, so not much clue
[10:32] <ajmitch> contact address is set for the team, so it *ought* to be getting info for any bug the team is subscribed to
[10:32] <nigelbabu> persia: changed the M/L stuff
[10:33] <nigelbabu> ajmitch: stuck in moderation I guess
[10:33] <ajmitch> since LP is meant to be whitelisted for lists.u.c, I think
[10:33] <ajmitch> I may be wrong there
[10:33]  * ajmitch isn't a team member anyway :)
[10:34] <nigelbabu> persia: +1 for changes now?
[10:39] <persia> nigelbabu: Sure, but I still think the concept of the mailing list needs more thought :)
[10:39] <nigelbabu> persia: you dont want it at all?
[10:39] <persia> I think there needs to be a point.
[10:40] <ajmitch> about the only thing I'd need to be in the team for is unsubscribing the team, right?
[10:40] <persia> I don't understand the value *to anyone* of a mailing list that tracks an arbitrary subset of changes.
[10:40]  * nigelbabu is not the person to talk bout it
[10:40] <nigelbabu> ajmitch: yup
[10:40] <nigelbabu> s/to talk bout/to talk to 'bout/
[10:41] <ajmitch> I'll put it off until I annoy dholbach about it then :)
[10:41] <nigelbabu> hah
[10:51] <nigelbabu> any corrections, please make it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NigelBabu/SandBox
[10:51] <nigelbabu> meanwhile, I'll get the review guide sorted
[10:53]  * ajmitch is *still* waiting for synaptic to install packages :)
[10:59] <nigelbabu> okay ^ that link is redundant now :)
[11:01] <ajmitch> well this upgrade is going well
[11:01] <ajmitch> X just went byebye
[11:13] <nigelbabu> the wiki has now changed a bit
[11:14] <ajmitch> which page?
[11:15] <nigelbabu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam
[11:15] <ajmitch> ReviewersTeam/GettingInvolved ?
[11:15] <nigelbabu> see the header
[11:15] <nigelbabu> the new getting involved page is in + review guide created
[11:15] <nigelbabu> now to edit review guide
[11:16]  * ajmitch sees some bugs on the patch-accepted-debian query that he should really be touching asap
[11:19] <nigelbabu> ajmitch: yaay! (that moves fast most of the time ;)
[11:19] <ajmitch> though it's being handled by someone on the server team as expected
[11:19] <ajmitch> (the php5/mysql issue)
[11:20] <ajmitch> that was a case where the patch originated from upstream & debian
[11:21] <nigelbabu> ah
[11:21] <nigelbabu> the getting involved page looks nice now?
[11:21] <ajmitch> yeah, looks good
[11:21] <ajmitch> maybe some minor grammatical fixes, but apart from that it's good :)
[11:23] <nigelbabu> please go ahead and fix as needed :)
[11:27] <nigelbabu> what is the easiest way to test patches?
[11:28] <nigelbabu> (the only way I know is to create a deb)
[11:29] <dholbach> apply the patch (in most cases something like "patch -p1 < ~/patch") or in the case of a merge proposal: "bzr merge lp:.....", then rebuild the source package (something like "debuild -S -uc -us"), then pbuilder it
[11:29] <nigelbabu> well, thats the way I thought too :)
[11:29] <nigelbabu> then dpkg -i
[11:30] <dholbach> right
[11:30] <dholbach> it's the best way because you afterwards know that the package still builds and if you messed something up, you can easily replace it with the "old package version" again
[11:30] <nigelbabu> hm, makses sense :)
[11:31] <nigelbabu> saw the new wiki pages?
[11:34] <dholbach> not yet, I'll review in a sec
[11:40] <ajmitch> the hard part is testing if the patch did the right thing
[11:40] <ajmitch> especially if it was to fix some obscure race condition that's hard to reproduce in testing
[11:42] <dholbach> would it make sense to add a step 0 to the list that is something like "establish step-by-step reproducing instructions"?
[11:45] <ajmitch> it would, that should be an important part of knowing that the bug can be closed as being fixed
[11:46] <dholbach> nigelbabu: ^ do you think that'd make sense?
[11:47] <nigelbabu> dholbach: yes it does
[11:47] <dholbach> great
[11:47] <nigelbabu> this is the review guide right?
[11:47] <nigelbabu> saw the getting started page?
[11:48] <ajmitch> yeah it'd be for the ReviewGuide page, in the workflow section I think
[11:50] <dholbach> nice work
[11:50] <dholbach> it looks much better
[12:17] <ajmitch> aw, silenced in -release, how unfair :)
[12:42] <nigelbabu> ajmitch: I think mailing that attorney should help
[12:43] <nigelbabu> Prokurist means attorney I think
[12:43] <ajmitch> I'll let ogra deal with it, he's in .de
[12:43] <nigelbabu> ha
[12:44]  * ajmitch doesn't think there'd be much of a legal case, it's more a matter of not doing stupid things
[12:45] <nigelbabu> that too
[12:49] <nigelbabu> ok, I'm going to start coding
[12:49] <nigelbabu> I need to do that review overviewtoday
[12:50] <ajmitch> ok, cool
[12:50]  * ajmitch has tomorrow off, so might try & catch up on ubuntu stuff
[13:42] <nigelbabu> I haz working statistics!
[13:42] <nigelbabu> now we can know exactly how many bugs would be in review queue if there was no date criteria
[13:43] <ajmitch> sounds good
[14:36] <nigelbabu> bdmurray: poke


[06:38] <cpaelzer> blahdeblah: I'm here now
[06:38] <cpaelzer> blahdeblah: are you still around?
[06:39] <blahdeblah> cpaelzer: sure am
[06:39] <cpaelzer> you wanted to talk about script tag in libvirt xml?
[06:40] <blahdeblah> More about the things you discovered in the process of fixing that.  You said you considered a backport of a larger feature from upstream?
[06:40] <cpaelzer> blahdeblah: yeah but we dropped that - anybody really needing it can/shall use newer libvirt - the regression risk was too high
[06:40] <blahdeblah> which seemed to be https://libvirt.org/git/?p=libvirt.git;a=commit;h=9c17d665fdc5f0ab74500a14c30627014c11b2c0
[06:40] <cpaelzer> yeah that was it
[06:42] <blahdeblah> So it seems that under libvirt 1.x using interfaces of type ethernet are pretty much not recommended
[06:42]  * blahdeblah rummages for reference
[06:42] <cpaelzer> IIRC it was not recommended for a long time, waren't there some needs to elevate permissions to use it
[06:43] <blahdeblah> yeah - e.g. RH discourage its use altogether: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/6/html/virtualization_host_configuration_and_guest_installation_guide/app_generic_ethernet
[06:44] <cpaelzer> yeah there are more refs
[06:44] <cpaelzer> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Virtualization_problems?rd=Tools/Virtualization/BugReporting#Errors_using_.3Cinterface_type.3D.27ethernet.27.2F.3E
[06:44] <blahdeblah> And on xenial, even if you implement those 4 settings, it still doesn't work because the AppArmor profile blocks it. :-)
[06:44] <blahdeblah> cpaelzer: So that's confirmed that I understood what you said in that bug correctly, here comes the question:
[06:45] <blahdeblah> Is there any safe way to use libvirt with generic ethernet on xenial?
[06:45] <cpaelzer> it was used heavily at earlier times
[06:45] <blahdeblah> yeah - I found another bug saying on precise & trusty it worked
[06:46] <blahdeblah> (presumably because people just ignored the risks of the elevated privilege)
[06:46] <cpaelzer> it was changed who executes the script (also for security) - but in the past just dropping security was more common than today
[06:46] <cpaelzer> yeah just what you wrote in your second msg
[06:48] <blahdeblah> cpaelzer: So is there any safe, sensible way to use this in xenial, or do I need to upgrade to zesty or later?
[06:51] <cpaelzer> blahdeblah: well, the TL;DR is - back in hat time qemu was executing the script - so to do most of the work (setup a vnic) it needs a set of permissions you usually take away for security reasons
[06:51] <cpaelzer> blahdeblah: if you consider not dropping capabiliteis and running it as root unsafe (likely) then there would be no safe way that comes to my mind immediately
[06:53] <blahdeblah> The whole point of this is to run some custom setup on the interface, so my thought was to just use an unprivileged process to send the right info to something running as root.
[06:53] <cpaelzer> blahdeblah: in the bug you referred the reporter had I quote "we do have our own infrastructure installed to overcome these restrictions. One such measure is having a daemon running as root that does the actual interface creation, triggered by the interface setup script."
[06:53] <cpaelzer> blahdeblah: if you have something like that, then yes it can be made safer
[06:54] <cpaelzer> blahdeblah: your thought sounds very similar to what they had in place
[06:55] <blahdeblah> Probably because I read their comment in the bug. :-)
[06:55] <cpaelzer> hehe
[06:56] <blahdeblah> cpaelzer: So back to the fix for that bug: it gives the impression that the fix is already included in the current xenial packages, and all we need to do is specify a different setup script and it should be possible to make that - is that correct?
[06:56] <blahdeblah> *make that work
[06:56] <cpaelzer> yes
[06:56] <cpaelzer> it no more does some prechecks which were broken (that was the bug)
[06:57] <cpaelzer> so you can reference to your script of choice, that is called in the context of qemu and qemu's user
[06:57] <cpaelzer> if you can make that script work you are good
[06:58] <cpaelzer> in later versions libvirt will call the script before qemu (higher permissions)
[06:58] <blahdeblah> Because I tried that and I still got the error "could not open /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted"
[06:58] <cpaelzer> there are some of the caps which still ahve to be lifted I think
[06:58] <cpaelzer> just a sec
[07:01] <cpaelzer> blahdeblah: essentially depending on how much your script already does you need a asubset of https://docs-old.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Virtualization_Deployment_and_Administration_Guide/App_Generic_Ethernet.html
[07:01] <cpaelzer> likely the cgroup_device_acl thing
[07:01] <cpaelzer> that has no tap/tun by default
[07:01] <blahdeblah> I tried that on its own without success
[07:02] <cpaelzer> hmm, I thought back then that was it for me - any apparmor denials or other ususal suspects left in the picture?
[07:03] <blahdeblah> not that I can see: https://pastebin.canonical.com/202632/
[07:05] <cpaelzer> let me cross check that for a few minutes, sometimes memory is better when doing than when talking about it
[07:08] <blahdeblah> cpaelzer: Don't spend a lot of time; this isn't a critical thing - just me trying to get my preferred network topology created.
[07:08] <cpaelzer> ok, but my personal rule of thumb would then be "do not try to base your preferred thing on soemhing deprecated" :-)
[07:08] <cpaelzer> I'll let you know if I see soemthing you can try in addtion to what you did
[07:09] <blahdeblah> cpaelzer: Is generic ethernet actually deprecated as a libvirt interface?  Because that would definitely put a damper on my preferred topology.
[07:10] <cpaelzer> Read the section "investigation" on https://docs-old.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Virtualization_Deployment_and_Administration_Guide/App_Generic_Ethernet.html - that pretty much covers my known state of it
[07:12] <blahdeblah> OK - thanks.  I'm grateful for the time you've already spent.
[07:19] <cpaelzer> blahdeblah: ok I have what you need
[07:19] <cpaelzer> blahdeblah: you have to apply all I sent you in the fredora link plus the following two for apparmor
[07:20] <cpaelzer> in /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/libvirt-qemu
[07:20] <cpaelzer> capability net_admin,
[07:20] <cpaelzer>   /etc/qemu-ifup rmix,
[07:20] <cpaelzer> the latter is your script
[07:20] <blahdeblah> cpaelzer: Already?  Wow. :-)
[07:20] <cpaelzer> of course that is far from save :-)
[07:20] <cpaelzer> leaving the case now, have fun
[07:21] <blahdeblah> cpaelzer: Yeah - so given how unsafe it is, I think I'll upgrade the host and try with libvirt 2.x
[07:21] <blahdeblah> cpaelzer: Much appreciated
[10:47] <doko> mitya57: could you have  look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebengine-opensource-src/5.9.2+dfsg-2build1/+build/13692836 ?
[10:48] <mitya57> doko, ok will look
[10:48] <doko> ta
[10:48] <Laney> hmm, I thought I saw a way to boot a (nova) cloud instance with a kernel on the local system but I can't find that now
[10:48] <Laney> did I make that up?
[11:00] <doko> mitya57: and same for https://launchpadlibrarian.net/344935458/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-amd64.kdb_3.0.2-1build2_BUILDING.txt.gz  (I was pointing a the new cmake, but maybe it's qt related as well)
[11:01] <mitya57> doko: it's new Qt, some *.cmake files were moved from qttools5-dev-tools to qttools5-dev, needs a new B-D.
[11:02] <mitya57> I will likely fix both in Debian and then sync.
[11:05] <doko> mitya57: note that debian still has icu 57
[11:05] <mitya57> Should that make any difference?
[11:05] <doko> I hope not ...
[13:32] <doko> Laney, seb128: is TheMuso still looking at sound issues?
[13:32] <doko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cairo-dock-plug-ins/+bug/1730947
[13:32] <doko> infinity: ^^^
[13:43] <jbicha> doko: no, duflu works on pulseaudio though
[14:50] <smoser> hey all. anyone know of a way to "wait until system is booted".
[14:50] <smoser> sh -c 'while :; do s=$(systemctl is-system-running); r=$?; [ "$s" = "initializing" -o "$s" = "starting" ] || break; sleep .2; done; read up idle < /proc/uptime; echo "$r $s $up";
[14:50] <smoser> that works, but i figure theres probably holes in it and i'd love something that didnt poll
[14:50] <smoser> xnox ? any ideas ?
[14:54] <doko> Laney: do you see slow setups of autopkg tests environments on lyc-* auto testers?
[14:57] <xnox> smoser, what do you want to do, when things finish booting?
[14:57] <xnox> smoser, you can create an idle unit that kicks in after everything is odne
[14:57] <smoser> stuff
[14:57] <rharper> smoser: like you want to listen to sd_notify bus
[14:57] <rharper> for an "i'm done booting event"
[14:58] <smoser> the reason for my asking today, is that i often write:
[14:58] <smoser>  lxc launch ubuntu-daily:xenial x1
[14:58] <Laney> doko: haven't noticed it being slower than lgw01 but I've not exactly been looking
[14:58] <smoser>  sleep 10 ; # wait for the system to boot
[14:58] <smoser>  lxc exec x1 -- do-some-thing-useful
[14:58] <Laney> are you talking about instance startup?
[14:59] <Laney> like time-to-ssh?
[14:59] <doko> Laney: https://portal.admin.canonical.com/107182
[15:00] <xnox> smoser, with lxc1 there was http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/lxc-wait.1.html which blocks until instance is booted.
[15:00] <smoser> i figure i'm not the only person in the world that wants to do that sort of things.
[15:00] <xnox> smoser, i thought there was "not ready yet state"
[15:00] <smoser> xnox: i'd rather ask the system than ask lxc to figure it out.
[15:00] <smoser> because honestly it can't possibly know for a generic container.
[15:01] <smoser> the system itself is best suited to say "i'im done"
[15:01] <cjwatson> I tend to loop until lxc exec $foo runlevel has a digit in the second field, but that's kind of old-school and not exactly elegant
[15:02] <smoser> cjwatson: my loop above a newer-school example of effectively that.
[15:03]  * smoser is happy that no one here is giving him the system-init-author response of "there is no way to tell when the system is 'finished' booting"
[15:03] <rharper> smoser: that's left as an exercise to the questioner
[15:05] <smoser> i think ideally there'd be a command in ubuntu that ran in a non-polling mode and just blocked until systemd showed something other than 'initializing' or 'starting'. and then parroted that value.
[15:05] <smoser> wait-for-booted --block --max-wait=1m
[15:05] <smoser> degraded
[15:06] <xnox> smoser, well systemctl list-jobs -> will show if it is still doing stuff or not.
[15:07] <smoser> i think that checking for values other than 'initializing' or 'starting' is what i want
[15:17] <smoser> but it just seems like that is somethign that the system should give me. so i was asking if such a thing existed.
[15:22] <lolek> hello
[15:22] <lolek> I'm tyring to find a way to disable menuproxy from inside a c++ any hints?
[18:32] <TJ-> nacc: ping? patch available fixing bug #1730731 be great if you can test/confirm the fix and get it published
[18:45] <nacc> TJ-: weird that i didn't get a notification
[18:46] <nacc> TJ-: i'll look at it today
[18:46] <nacc> TJ-: ah just got it, ok
[18:47] <TJ-> nacc: Thank-you. It's working fine here; the patch wsa originally suggested for Debian (in the tracked bug) but then they fixed it by pulling an entirely new upstream release
[18:47] <nacc> TJ-: ack, that's normal, and also what has it fixed in the later releases
[18:48] <TJ-> nacc: the patch is still being carried in the later Debian releases so I guess it is still required (it's in 17.10 too)
[18:49] <TJ-> nacc: anyhow, it's quite minimal and it works so I'm happy :)
[18:49] <nacc> TJ-: cool, will keep you posted in the bug
[19:34] <dmj_s76> jbicha: How do you feel about packaging a new version of python-xlib for debian and ubuntu?
[19:35] <jbicha> dmj_s76: the Debian maintainer will take care of that. I pinged him last week.
[19:37] <dmj_s76> jbicha: okay, good to hear!  It looks like debian still points to the project on sourceforge, when it switched to github years ago.
[19:37] <jbicha> dmj_s76: since you're here, the fix for LP: #1724024 is ready to be verified
[19:40] <dmj_s76> jbicha: Thanks, I'll test and get back to you on that.
[21:17] <niedbalski> arges, rbasak hello guys , any of you can check the verification for LP: #1657256? also, not sure why the Trusty series wasn't moved into -proposed (it's currently seating in unapvd).
[22:35] <bdmurray> blackboxsw: Could you add a test case to bug 1722564? I've uploaded a fix to the artful SRU queue.
[23:06] <blahdeblah> Starting firewall maintenance now (see previous message to ubuntu-devel-announce)


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[00:44] <WobblyBob> Anyone an idea how to increase storage size on virt-manager using the gui not cli
[00:54] <mybalzitch> did you check the storage manager bit? been a bit since I was in virt-manager
[00:55] <WobblyBob> yeah doesnt give any options to update it
[00:58] <mybalzitch> ahh, it might not be possible. not seeing anything on google about it, it suggests qemu-img or virt-resize
[01:04] <rfm> WobblyBob, do you mean RAM or disk storage?
[01:04] <WobblyBob> disk storage
[01:06] <rfm> WobblyBob, then depends on what kind of disk image you're using.  qcow2 is most common I think where it's "qemu-img resize diskfilename.qcow2 +8G" to grow by 8G
[01:07] <rfm> WobblyBob, if it's an ubuntu cloud image, cloud-init will repartition and grow the fs at the next boot
[18:48] <ahasenack> hi, does anybody have a clue why apt remove ./*.deb ended up installing the deb? I know that removing a local deb filename makes no sense, but I wanted to see what would happen. And this was unexpected to me: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dkVq7mqvrd/
[18:52] <sdeziel> ahasenack: surprising but maybe "remove" behaves like other subcommands (for example, dist-upgrade accepts packages names to install: https://mobile.twitter.com/JulianKlode/status/1322294691430281218)
[18:53] <ahasenack> I know with install recent versions of apt-get can be used like dpkg, with dep resolving
[18:53] <ahasenack> but remove?
[18:53] <ahasenack> I expected it to either check for a package that was named like the filename,
[18:53] <ahasenack> or perhaps extract the package name from the given deb, and consider that for removal
[18:53] <ahasenack> but I never expected it to install the package
[18:55] <sdeziel> yeah, it guessed the right package name but then did the wrong action, feels like a bug
[18:56] <ahasenack> I'll also try again with apt-get, not just apt
[18:57] <ahasenack> but it was just a surprise that I thought about asking around first :)
[18:57] <mgedmin> do file a bug
[18:58] <mgedmin> did you know that apt-get install can remove packages?  if you say apt-get install pkg-
[18:58] <mgedmin> also I think apt-get remove can install packages if you suffix the name with a +
[18:58] <ahasenack> it sure can, if dependencies warrant it
[18:58] <ahasenack> ah, you mean the -? No, I had no idea
[18:58] <ahasenack> good to know
[18:58] <ahasenack> as I was investigating sudo rules
[18:58] <mgedmin> it's convenient when you want to both install and remove stuff with one command
[18:59] <mgedmin> but it looks like ./foo.deb gets an implicit + or something, which is really unintuitive, and I think unintended
[18:59] <mgedmin> so, I would file a bug (if I weren't a lazy person)
[18:59] <ahasenack> I will, thanks
[18:59] <ahasenack> also want to try other releases, this was bionic
[19:02] <mgedmin> lol https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=929242
[19:02] <mgedmin> I didn't see any bugs in debian about apt remove ./file.deb installing the package
[19:03] <mgedmin> don't see any in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt either
[19:04] <mgedmin> congratulations on your discovery :)
[21:07] <FuZi0N> Anyone else notice high RAM utilization being reported in 'top' and any other monitoring tool but then when you try to find the service which is utilizing most of the memory you can't find it? Perhaps there's a memory leak in Linux Kernel 5.4.0-52-generic on Ubuntu 18.04.1?
[21:08] <sarnold> FuZi0N: try smem, it's fantastic at helping you assign blame
[21:08] <FuZi0N> ok
[21:08] <FuZi0N> trying it now!
[21:13] <sdeziel> FuZi0N: there's also systemd-cgtop that can be useful for some cases
[21:23] <FuZi0N> sarnold how can I make sense of this smem output? https://pastebin.com/TcTZT8Sf
[21:27] <sarnold> FuZi0N: pid 3940 is using 4118948 kb of memory 'uniquely', pid 23897 is using 3636008 kb of memory uniquely, etc
[21:27] <sarnold> that's the amount of memory you could free up if you stopped those processes
[21:36] <FuZi0N> https://pastebin.com/kmQ95n0D
[21:36] <FuZi0N> Based on this it looks like a kernel memory leak issue?
[21:39] <sarnold> FuZi0N: you'd need to keep track of those numbers ovre a long time to tell if there's a kernel memory leak or not
[21:48] <FuZi0N> sdeziel sarnold: what does it mean if smem is saying that I'm only using ~11GB of userspace memory but systemd-cgtop is saying that my plex docker container is using ~17GB memory?
[21:50] <sarnold> FuZi0N: systemd-cgtop is likely multiply-accounting memory that is shared among multiple processes
[21:52] <FuZi0N> So it wouldn't help me identify any issues in my case?
[21:56] <sarnold> probably not, the output you've shown me looks a lot like a single-purpose system; it's not like you can just stop plex and go on your way -- that's the whole reason for the machine to exist as far as I can tell
[21:57] <sarnold> you might be able to pick and choose which plugins you want to load, maybe the memory use of one of them doesn't justify what it does for you


[07:14] <dholbach> good morning
[15:26] <pleia2> gonyere: just a heads up, we tend to add too many articles to the doc during the week, so we go through articles on friday evening/saturday morning to remove some of them, I don't want you spending effort on summaries just to have them deleted so you might want to hold off until saturday
[15:27] <pleia2> but thanks! it was a surprise to see some :D