[04:38] <andrew__> mikeco, so, you didn't do anything special, just follow everything from the wiki ?
[04:38] <mikeco> yup
[04:38] <queuetue> What is fgl_glxgears, as opposed to normal glxgears?
[04:38] <mikeco> it's easier than it was on slackware
[04:38] <mikeco> queuetue, it's from ati
[04:38] <andrew__> mikeco, I've never had a problem on slackware!
[04:39] <mikeco> andrew__, nor have i
[04:39] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  You should check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:39] <mikeco> but it was still easier, because i didn't have to really do anything
[04:39] <andrew__> SeamusLP, i'm going to try again right now
[04:39] <terry_> hello, sorry to barge into a conversation, but i need to know where should a novice go to learn how to do basic stuff in linux, like downlaod and install software, install printers, etc.
[04:39] <andrew__> the problem is that this ATI driver isn't really "xorg" campatable
[04:39] <andrew__> it's a very old one
[04:39] <mikeco> andrew__, make sure you don't have the xorg conf to use internalagp from ati, and have your kernel agp runing
[04:39] <queuetue> Which repository/kernel am I supposed to install to get 64-bit support on my Athlon 64?
[04:39] <mikeco> running
[04:39] <Bazzi> terry_ there are guides, and this irc channel ;)
[04:40] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  So use the driver in the repository.
[04:40] <JoshuaSyd> can you actually upgrade from warty 4.10 to hoary 5.04 ?
[04:40] <hexmode> terry_: ask a question
[04:40] <JoshuaSyd> can you actually upgrade from warty 4.10 to hoary 5.04 ?
[04:40] <Bazzi> terry_ take ubuntuguide.org as a base
[04:40] <andrew__> SeamusLP, the one in synaptic?  yes, it's old
[04:40] <gustav_> JoshuaSyd: yes
[04:40] <JoshuaSyd> thx gustav_ , how can i possibly do taht?
[04:40] <JoshuaSyd> without reinstalling ubuntu...
[04:41] <terry_> hexmode: thanks
[04:41] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  If you get the version of the driver that worked for you in slack you should be fine.
[04:41] <andrew__> SeamusLP, yes; the driver I compiled in slack is not in the hoary repository
[04:41] <astro76> terry_: http://ubuntuguide.org , http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org , http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html
[04:41] <gustav_> JoshuaSyd: It's just to change all occurances of warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:41] <andrew__> ATI just made major imporvements to their x.org support with the newest driver, and i'm sad to see it's not in the hoary repository
[04:42] <gustav_> JoshuaSyd: then sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:42] <terry_> Thanks very much, i have it
[04:42] <Amaranth> andrew__: how long ago did they release it?
[04:42] <andrew__> Amaranth, the better support was near a month ago
[04:42] <andrew__> maybe a little longer
[04:43] <andrew__> the 8.10.XX seriers
[04:43] <andrew__> series*
[04:44] <andrew__> and I thought using a package manager would make thigns easier :(
[04:44] <Burgundavia> andrew__, hoary has been in upstream version freeze for quite some time
[04:44] <JoshuaSyd> gustav_: thanks
[04:44] <JoshuaSyd> how can i update the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[04:44] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  It does.
[04:45] <mikeco> andrew__, just upgrade the driver yourself
[04:45] <andrew__> mikeco, they only release rpm's
[04:45] <mikeco> ok, convert it
[04:45] <SeamusLP> andrew:  alien -d
[04:45] <mikeco> :-D
[04:45] <gustav_> JoshuaSyd: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:46] <hexmode> I like aliens
[04:46] <andrew__> i know the newer version is in breezy...
[04:46] <andrew__> any way to use that one ?
[04:47] <wezzer> ain't it easier to go www.getfirefox.com and install it?
[04:47] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  You could perhaps add breezy restricted to your sources
[04:48] <andrew__> mikeco, how did you set internalAGPGART exactly?  did you have to manually add it ?
[04:48] <sageek> hrm, i did install gstreamer0.8-mad tho still beep media player can't play mp3s
[04:48] <Amaranth> beep doesn't use gstreamer, does it?
[04:49] <SeamusLP> sageek:  I don't think beep media player uses gstreamer
[04:49] <sageek> no, it uses mepg something
[04:49] <wezzer> mpeg1243
[04:49] <wezzer> -4
[04:49] <sageek> no way to make it use that gstreamer?
[04:49] <andrew__> ok; i installed fglrx, should I reboot, and then mess with x.org ?
[04:49] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: You don't get a new menu editor, btw. ;)
[04:49] <andrew__> or can I mess with it now
[04:49] <Somebody_> Hello does Ubuntu offer another browser other than Firefox for the GTK/GNOME environment??
[04:50] <sageek> so i can't play mp3s with beep media player?
[04:50] <andrew__> brb
[04:50] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Why even put screenshots then :P
[04:50] <sageek> can i make beep media player use gstreamer?
[04:50] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: Well, there is nothing left to do for 0.5 in the app. I just need to figure out how to package PyXDG CVS and gnome-menus CVS from the 2.10 branch.
[04:51] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: Because they fix xdg support bugs that my app exposes.
[04:51] <lunitik> sageek: any reason you're not using Rhythmbox?
[04:51] <sageek> Hebrew file name support
[04:51] <Amaranth> ?
[04:52] <Amaranth> rhythmbox should support all UTF-8 chars
[04:52] <lunitik> sageek: ahh... thats a system thing (locales) ...
[04:52] <gustav_> Somebody_: there's lots of them
[04:52] <thr1ce> mikeco, can I ask you a few questions ?
[04:52] <sageek> hrm, it's gtk-2 or 1
[04:52] <sageek> Rhythmbox
[04:52] <lunitik> sageek: gtk2.0
[04:52] <sageek> so i prolly support
[04:53] <lunitik> sageek: it is the default player in Ubuntu
[04:53] <lunitik> s/player/music player/
[04:53] <sageek> tho it's pretty ugly gui :P
[04:53] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  I was curious because there are some menu items I have that can't be edited.
[04:53] <sageek> also it doesn't display hebrew.
[04:53] <sageek> and locales are set to he
[04:54] <lunitik> sageek: has a small mode... and a notification area item...
[04:54] <thr1ce> mikeco, where do you add the part to use external AGPGART ?
[04:54] <sageek> hrm, can't i use beep ?
[04:54] <lunitik> sageek: you can... I can't stop you, I'm just making my best effort to do so  :P
[04:55] <sageek> heh
[04:55] <sageek> well i can't see any hebrew support on ryhtmbox
[04:55] <Rydekull> ls
[04:55] <Rydekull> ack
[04:55] <sageek> how can i use beep? it cant play the mps
[04:56] <thr1ce> anyone setup ATI drivers ?
[04:56] <sageek> ati drivers suck it going to make you hate you ever bought ati
[04:56] <sageek> :P
[04:56] <markuman> thr1ce , no, but have try it? how? what errors etc
[04:56] <thr1ce> well, i'm supposed to add an option to x.org, and I don't know where
[04:57] <sageek> ati + linux = suck
[04:57] <sageek> :]
[04:57] <markuman> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:57] <markuman> look there
[04:57] <thr1ce> i have.
[04:57] <markuman> there is a howto
[04:57] <markuman> but?
[04:57] <thr1ce> Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[04:57] <sageek> lunitik how can i make bmp work with ubuntu?
[04:57] <FreezerX> I have no problem with my ati card and ubuntu
[04:57] <thr1ce> FreezerX, you use 3d accel?
[04:57] <markuman> have you a nforce board? thr1ce
[04:58] <thr1ce> yes
[04:58] <sageek> FreezerX what driver have u used
[04:58] <lunitik> sageek: I don't use BMP
[04:58] <sageek> Anyone here uses bmp? :p
[04:58] <markuman> thr1ce , join #ati
[04:59] <markuman> bmp???
[04:59] <markuman> whats that?
[04:59] <FreezerX> thr1ce, Radeon 9000 mobility :-) I use the fglrx-driver
[04:59] <sageek> beep media player
[04:59] <stazz> sageek: it sucks.
[04:59] <markuman> no.
[04:59] <zAo^> nope
[04:59] <zAo^> totem here
[04:59] <sageek> well it supports hebrew file names
[04:59] <lunitik> markuman: apt-cache show beep-media-player ... gtk2 port of XMMS
[04:59] <sageek> so it's great :P
[04:59] <stazz> sageek: it's even more buggy than xmms, thus very much more unusable.
[04:59] <FreezerX> I also have a Radeon X800XT, but not yet installed ubuntu on the new system
[04:59] <sageek> What would you suggest? it gotta support hebrew filenames too :P
[04:59] <lunitik> zAo^: Totem for sound?
[04:59] <markuman> lunitik, bmp don't run on my amd64 machine, don't know why
[05:00] <UbuntuGet> I've problems with gdesklets, I can't configure the desklets, why?
[05:00] <zAo^> lunitik, in KDE I use amaroK, in Gnome I use XMMS
[05:00] <buz> is there any way to downgrade from breezy to hoary?
[05:00] <buz> seems like cups is broken in breezy
[05:00] <lunitik> sageek: afaict, Rhythmbox has supported Hebrew since 0.0.8  :/
[05:00] <Amaranth> buz: This is why you don't run devel. :)
[05:00] <zAo^> lunitik, and Totem for video that is ;-)
[05:00] <lunitik> (a long time ago)
[05:00] <buz> daily updates give me warm feelings ;-)
[05:01] <thr1ce> ok; who here actually HAS 3d accel working with an ATI card ?
[05:01] <thr1ce> i'm missing something
[05:01] <lunitik> zAo^: Amarok is fiddly  :/   XMMS is gtk1.x .... ouch @ both
[05:01] <hexmode> th1ce: enabled in Xorg?
[05:01] <buz> but its very weird, breezy has the same cups packages as hoary yet it doesnt work
[05:01] <buz> maybe it's something else that's broken
[05:01] <thr1ce> well, I can't figure out the "useinternalAGPGART" part
[05:01] <zAo^> lunitik, I know, but I hate rhythmbox... better suggestions?
[05:01] <sageek> lunitik sageek: afaict, Rhythmbox has supported Hebrew since 0.0.8  :/
[05:02] <sageek> hrm
[05:02] <sageek> where do i enable it?
[05:02] <sageek> also it pretty ugly gui, ryhtmbox :P
[05:02] <thr1ce> noone here has it working that can help ?
[05:02] <markuman> fuck of different music apps.......the important is that it work ;-)
[05:02] <lunitik> sageek: locales... :/
[05:02] <sageek> locales is set to hebrew dude.
[05:02] <lunitik> sageek: should be hebrew then...
[05:03] <sageek> well
[05:03] <sageek> should :P
[05:03] <lunitik> sageek: file a bug...
[05:03] <zAo^> how can I uninstall packages with apt/dpkg with its dependencies?
[05:04] <markuman> dpkg -i filepath
[05:04] <markuman> or what did you mean???
[05:04] <thr1ce> nobody can help me with ati troubles ?
[05:04] <rizla> hi. can somebody install avidemux?
[05:04] <markuman> join #ati
[05:04] <thr1ce> #ati is dead
[05:04] <zAo^> thr1ce, whats up?
[05:04] <lunitik> zAo^: with dpkg, you can't... apt-get remove (--purge) pkg
[05:04] <markuman> no, it work on me
[05:04] <thr1ce> zAo^, do you have 3d accel working with an ATI card ?
[05:04] <b2s> thr1ce: still? :/
[05:04] <zAo^> thr1ce, yes
[05:04] <markuman> and there a lot of people in #ati
[05:04] <thr1ce> zAo^, may I ask you a few questions ?
[05:04] <lunitik> zAo^: --purge isn't needed, but gets rid of config files too... note they usually don't come back if you choose to reinstall the app
[05:05] <zAo^> lunitik, and that will remove any dependency?
[05:05] <zAo^> thr1ce, shoot
[05:05] <sageek> zao^ you have 3d with ati UNDER LINUX? :P
[05:05] <sageek> May i shake your hand?
[05:05] <zAo^> yup
[05:05] <thr1ce> zAo^, where do I add the option to use external AGPGART  ?
[05:05] <lunitik> zAo^: should... heh... I use debfoster to keep my system clean... apt-get remove pkg only removed things that depend on pkg though
[05:05] <sageek> i never manged to make my 3d work.
[05:05] <zAo^> $ fglrxinfo
[05:05] <zAo^> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:05] <zAo^> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[05:05] <zAo^> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 Generic
[05:05] <zAo^> OpenGL version string: 1.3.5010 (X4.3.0-8.12.10)
[05:06] <lunitik> zAo^: not the other way around..
[05:06] <thr1ce> zAo^, where did you get that driver!
[05:06] <sageek> zao, may i pm you? :oP
[05:06] <b2s> lol, it only took me like 4-5 hours to get ati+3d working on amd64 :P
[05:06] <zAo^> www.ati.com....
[05:06] <zAo^> alien *.rpm
[05:06] <sageek> I have radeon 9600 too
[05:06] <zAo^> thanks lunitik
[05:06] <thr1ce> i've never used alien; what must I do after that ?
[05:06] <greg__> hey guys, is there anyway to change the annoying sounds in KDE? Example, When i maximize and minimize windows.
[05:06] <sageek> tho never manged to make 3d work
[05:06] <thr1ce> or will that install it for me
[05:06] <lunitik> zAo^: hmm... XFree86 still?
[05:06] <b2s> thr1ce: it creates a .deb for you
[05:06] <thr1ce> ok; then how do I install a .deb ?
[05:07] <Amaranth> thr1ce: That'll make a deb, install it with dpkg -i file.deb
[05:07] <zAo^> lunitik, no; hoary: xorg
[05:07] <Amaranth> Make sure you use sudo
[05:07] <lunitik> thr1ce: dpkg -i pkg
[05:07] <greg__> thr1ce, dpkg
[05:07] <lunitik> zAo^: ahh... that looks like an XFree86 driver?
[05:07] <zAo^> it isnt
[05:08] <greg__> anyone know how to turn off the anooying sound when i maximizze and minimize windows?
[05:08] <lenovo> oneleaf: Excuse me.  Are you same with the oneleaf in ubuntu.org.cn?
[05:08] <astro76> greg__: should be in kcontrol
[05:08] <lunitik> greg__: System > Preferences > Sounds  ... turn off System Events all together, or just those specific sounds
[05:08] <lunitik> astro76: he doesn't say KDE, so assume GNOME
[05:08] <oneleaf> lenove yes
[05:08] <thr1ce> zAo^, ok; i install with dpkg -i, and then what, run through fglrxconfig as normal ?
[05:08] <astro76> lunitik: he did earlier
[05:09] <oneleaf> lenovo: what can i do for you?
[05:09] <zAo^> thr1ce, no: let me search the forums
[05:09] <sageek> zAo^ you just installed the .rpm from the ati site?
[05:09] <greg__> lunitik, in which program?
[05:09] <lunitik> greg__: never mind... thats for GNOME
[05:09] <greg__> oh ok
[05:10] <zAo^> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=122362&postcount=6
[05:10] <zAo^> that is what I did
[05:10] <lenovo> oneleaf: Glad to see you here. I want to tell you some idea about translation.
[05:10] <lunitik> greg__: kcontrol > Sound & Multimedia > Sound Events turn them off ... I think thats how
[05:10] <zAo^> sageek, yes. Follow that link
[05:10] <lenovo> oneleaf: Just myself.
[05:10] <thr1ce> dpkg: error processing fglrx-6-8-0_8.12.10-2_i386.deb (--install):
[05:10] <thr1ce>  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package xli bmesa-gl
[05:10] <thr1ce> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[05:10] <thr1ce> ?
[05:10] <oneleaf> lenovo: :)
[05:11] <lunitik> thr1ce: dpkg -i --force-overwrite pkg
[05:11] <thr1ce> ok
[05:11] <greg__> lunitik, there is no sound events option :(
[05:11] <greg__> nvermind
[05:12] <lenovo> oneleaf: Hope you never mind. My E is not good.
[05:12] <lunitik> greg__: ;)
[05:12] <greg__> i got it:)
[05:12] <greg__> thanks a lot man
[05:12] <lunitik> greg__: Not using KDE right now... else I could be more exact  ;)
[05:12] <oneleaf> lenovo: I too
[05:12] <greg__> thanks a lot anyway, i got it :)
[05:12] <lenovo> oneleaf: Are channel ubuntu-cn working now?
[05:12] <lunitik> greg__: make sure you didn't actually turn off arts though... that could give you a headache  ;)
[05:12] <greg__> yes, the ssound system is still on :)
[05:13] <greg__> im using OSS :)
[05:13] <oneleaf> lenovo: can your speak chinese?
[05:13] <zAo^> lunitik, cant understand debfoster. What if I want to uninstall eg. rhythmbox with all its plugins?
[05:13] <lunitik> greg__: ouch :x
[05:13] <greg__> why ouch?
[05:13] <FreezerX> Do you know a gnome tool/daemon for pasting several text into memory like it is possible with the klipper in kde?
[05:13] <oneleaf> lenovo: yes
[05:13] <lunitik> zAo^: debfoster just handles cleaning things up... so if you remove rhythmbox... then run debfoster after, it will tell you what isn't needed, and allow you to be rid of it...
[05:14] <lunitik> zAo^: first time you run debfoster is a pain though
[05:14] <lunitik> zAo^: just because you have to tell it about everything on the system...
[05:14] <thr1ce> zAo^, I need gcc for this I assume ?
[05:14] <lenovo> oneleaf: How about we go there?
[05:15] <zAo^> lunitik, ah: thats why it complains about kubuntu :)
[05:15] <Amaranth> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/p/pptview/pptview_8.0-1/pptview.copyright O_O
[05:15] <lunitik> zAo^: yup... its not really complaining... just wants to learn whether you want it  ;)
[05:15] <zAo^> lunitik, now I see. Thanks
[05:15] <oneleaf> lenovo: ok
[05:16] <ivoks> hi all! uh... there is a lot of "all" :)
[05:16] <thr1ce> initializing...
[05:16] <thr1ce> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[05:16] <thr1ce> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[05:16] <thr1ce> wtfffffffffffffffff
[05:16] <lunitik> ivoks: about 500 are idling though  ;)
[05:16] <thr1ce> zAo^, did you have that ?
[05:16] <ivoks> lunitik i know :)
[05:16] <ivoks> well, it's nice to see ubuntu so popular
[05:17] <oneleaf> lenovo: I already in #ubuntu-zh
[05:17] <ivoks> i test it last year, when this distro wasn't so famous :)
[05:17] <ivoks> can anoyone tell me how packages are compiled in new ubuntu?
[05:17] <zAo^> thr1ce, Yes
[05:17] <zAo^> lunitik, lol @ Keep debfoster? [Ynpsiuqx?] , [H] elp:
[05:17] <thr1ce> zAo^, what must I do to get around it ?
[05:17] <lunitik> ivoks: not really... I hope the initial hype ends soon... things will eventually even out... I still remember this channel with about 70 people
[05:17] <lunitik> zAo^: heh... it asks about *everything* ...
[05:18] <ivoks> i'm interested in -march= and -mtune
[05:18] <trygvebw> Hi, what can be the cause of this error? I'm trying to modprobe ndiswrapper. (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted.
[05:18] <thr1ce> zAo^, how did you get around it ?
[05:18] <ivoks> lunitik hehe well, i'm first time on irc channel :)
[05:18] <zAo^> thr1ce, around what?
[05:18] <ivoks> lunitik do u know anything about mtune and march in latest ubuntu?
[05:18] <thr1ce> initializing...
[05:18] <thr1ce> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[05:18] <thr1ce> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[05:18] <zAo^> thr1ce, start with `sudo apt-get remove fglrx*`
[05:19] <ivoks> zAo^ wrong way
[05:19] <thr1ce> brb, lemme restart...that might help
[05:19] <ivoks> zAo^ sudo aptitude purge fglrx
[05:19] <zAo^> thr1ce, READ Note: before you start check if you have installed the linux-headers for your kernel and gcc (Synaptic)
[05:19] <lunitik> ivoks: results in same thing  :/
[05:19] <zAo^> ivoks, true; sorry
[05:19] <thr1ce> linux-headers are by default, right ?
[05:19] <ivoks> lunitik not
[05:19] <ivoks> lunitik remove leaves configs
[05:19] <ivoks> lunitik purge leaves nothing :))
[05:19] <lunitik> ivoks: removing config files is bad, because if he reinstalls, they won't come back
[05:20] <lunitik> ivoks: one of the bad things about apt  :(
[05:20] <ivoks> ok... is anyone on ubuntu now?
[05:20] <lunitik> ivoks: nope, we just /j #ubuntu for fun
[05:20] <pasci> tach
[05:20] <ivoks> lunitik apt has no bad things, u just have to know how to use it
[05:20] <raid> hi all
[05:20] <ivoks> lunitik can u tell me march and mtune of packages?
[05:20] <lunitik> ivoks: I know how...
[05:21] <raid> can some1 give me some help with the installation of the atmel wireless lan drivers for ubuntu?
[05:21] <ivoks> CFLAGS, people? anyone?
[05:21] <lunitik> ivoks: ask in #ubuntu-devel ...
[05:21] <ivoks> ok
[05:21] <lunitik> ivoks: they'd know better...
[05:21] <trygvebw> raid: Don't ask to ask, just ask :)
[05:21] <raid> any1 please???
[05:22] <zAo^> srry raid
[05:22] <sagi> zao^ still here?
[05:22] <zAo^> sagi, yes
[05:22] <sagi> i'm having problems with the link
[05:23] <sagi> when i  /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod
[05:23] <sagi> go to there and sh make.sh
[05:23] <zAo^> yes?
[05:23] <lunitik> raid: wee dun no bowt tha sry
[05:23] <sagi> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[05:23] <sagi> (it's a fresh installion so i don't have any my own kernel yet)
[05:24] <sagi> zao what should i do
[05:24] <zAo^> sagi, apt-get install linux-kernel-headers gcc
[05:24] <sagi> i installed gccc
[05:24] <zAo^> k
[05:24] <sagi> linux-kernel-headers is already the newest version.
[05:24] <sagi> seems to be installed too.
[05:25] <raid> do i need to compile kernel build options previously? the requirements are [Loadable Module Support -> Enable]  [Processor types and features -> Symmetric Multiprocessing Support - Disabled]
[05:25] <sagi> zAo^? :oP
[05:26] <pantz> does anyone have any idea how to rename other partitions that show in nautilus's 'computer' - ie. rename '40Gb Media' to 'share disk'?
[05:26] <darko__> hi! i'm trying to feed the output of pgrep -f "X :0" into(after) renice 0 ... how would i do that? So that for example if pgrep outputs 1824 then the renice cmd would be renice 0 1824, understand?
[05:26] <raid> i should check the .config file but dunno where to find it... :P any1?
[05:26] <sagi> hey zao^ i'm in the middle of the installion and i'm pretty stuck, come to the rescue? :P
[05:26] <zAo^> did you install linux-headers-(kernelversion) ?
[05:26] <sagi> hmm.. nope
[05:26] <zAo^> lol
[05:26] <sagi> it's a new installion
[05:26] <sagi> i barley touched anything
[05:26] <sagi> finished installing.. 30~ mins ago
[05:26] <FreezerX> What tool is used to resize the partitions?
[05:26] <elcu> hello, i'm not getting sound in wmv files.
[05:27] <zAo^> FreezerX, try qtparted
[05:27] <sagi> getting linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[05:27] <zAo^> k
[05:27] <sagi> seemed to solve :P
[05:27] <sagi> moving on, thank you
[05:27] <elcu> FreezerX: apparently, use gparted instead.
[05:28] <raid> where can i find the kernel .config file?
[05:28] <zAo^> raid, /boot
[05:28] <raid> ok
[05:28] <darko__> it could be a script... i'm just trying to set X to NI 0 automatically withouth having to do a 'top' see NI then do a renice 0 pidofX
[05:28] <raid> zAo^: thx m8
[05:28] <zAo^> np
[05:30] <ivoks> darko is croatian name :)
[05:30] <zAo^> how can I purge mails in Evolution?? (IMAP)
[05:30] <darko__> it is? i took it from the film donnie darko..
[05:30] <zAo^> Johnny Darko :)
[05:30] <ivoks> zAo^ OMG
[05:30] <zAo^> lol :)
[05:30] <ivoks> zAo^ purge?
[05:30] <ivoks> on IMAP?
[05:31] <zAo^> ivoks, yes? what is it `OMG`?
[05:31] <ivoks> zAo^ oh my god
[05:31] <zAo^> I know that :S
[05:31] <zAo^> ivoks, why omg?
[05:32] <Amaranth> damn, debfoster takes a long time to go through
[05:32] <ivoks> purge (delete?) email over IMAP means deleting it on IMAP server
[05:32] <zAo^> ivoks, I want to purge it from the IMAP server
[05:32] <lunitik> Amaranth: cuz there is a lot of shit installed... and not many meta-packages there ;)
[05:32] <ivoks> select them and hit delete key
[05:32] <Amaranth> lunitik: ah
[05:33] <lunitik> Amaranth: my keepers is like 7 lines  :/
[05:33] <Amaranth> lunitik: How does debfoster figure out what to ask about?
[05:33] <zAo^> ivoks, .... OMG! lol... They will remain on the IMAP server :)
[05:33] <ivoks> zAo^ no, they won't...
[05:33] <dcraven_> How does one run an /etc/init.d/ service as a non-privileged user?
[05:33] <Amaranth> dcraven_: One doesn't.
[05:34] <dcraven_> Amaranth, well then that makes it simple :)
[05:34] <darko__> How do i retrieve pid of X and then renice X to 0 withouth having to manually see the pid of X with top first?
[05:34] <zAo^> ivoks, when I visit the IMAP server by my browser, they still remain.
[05:34] <lunitik> Amaranth: it just goes around seeing why things are installed... and asks about the highest demoninator...
[05:34] <Amaranth> ah
[05:34] <lunitik> Amaranth: never looked at the code myself... so can't answer specifically
[05:34] <ivoks> zAo^ did u set up ur evolution to delete messages on delete? by default, they just mark them deleted (u can see a line over subject)
[05:35] <lunitik> Amaranth: heh... you found out why I like to keep ubuntu-desktop around though  :P
[05:35] <ivoks> dump my gentoo or not, that is the question
[05:35] <ivoks> i would like to try ubuntu again, but...
[05:35] <ivoks> if it's compiled for 486, it would be a shit...
[05:35] <zAo^> darko__, ps -ef | grep /usr/X11R6/bin/X | grep -v grep | awk '{ print $2 } '
[05:36] <grumpysmurf> thats what i like about using amd64, you know its compiled for the platform :)
[05:36] <Burgundavia> ivoks, I believe most packages are compiled for 386, and you can choose the kernel you run
[05:36] <grumpysmurf> none of this "do it by hand" gentoo crap ><
[05:36] <zAo^> ivoks, donno. Thanks.
[05:36] <lunitik> Burgundavia: wrong...
[05:36] <Amaranth> lunitik: Err, how come when I run it again I can't choose to remove more things? :)
[05:36] <ivoks> Burgundavia kernel is enough
[05:37] <lunitik> Amaranth: sudo vi /var/lib/debfoster/keepers ...
[05:37] <ivoks> Burgundavia 486 for ogg and mp3 ripers means no mmx support
[05:37] <lunitik> Amaranth: it remembers what you entered before  ;)
[05:37] <ivoks> Burgundavia and that means slow riping
[05:37] <Amaranth> I have too much junk in there. :)
[05:37] <Burgundavia> ivoks, there are several kernels you can run, including one for 686
[05:37] <Amaranth> My keepers is 335 lines.
[05:37] <ivoks> Burgundavia but kernel isn't enough
[05:38] <lunitik> Amaranth: things you don't want... just dd them... and run again ... I usually get rid of the lines starting '-' also, just to keep it cleaner
[05:38] <ivoks> i need aplications that can take advantages of my proc
[05:38] <lunitik> ivoks: have fun installing gentoo
[05:38] <ivoks> i guess, gentoo is best choice...
[05:38] <ivoks> lunitik i run gentoo allready :)
[05:38] <lunitik> ivoks: /j #gentoo
[05:38] <lunitik> peace
[05:38] <Amaranth> lunitik: Now I seen why you keep ubuntu-desktop around. :)
[05:38] <grumpysmurf> indeed.
[05:38] <lunitik> Amaranth: :)
[05:39] <Amaranth> lunitik: Too bad evolution is broken in breezy (can't be installed) so I can't install ubuntu-desktop.
[05:39] <Burgundavia> ivoks, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-April/007013.html
[05:39] <dcraven_> ivoks, that's a load of crud.
[05:40] <lunitik> Amaranth: its not broken... just hold libcamel for a while (it wants to remove due to libcamel2.0 being installed, removing libcamel1.4 (I think) which evolution depends on
[05:41] <lunitik> Amaranth: then just wait till evolution is listed as 'not going to be installed' ;)
[05:42] <lunitik> Amaranth: (both versions of libcamel should be held though... else nothing is changed)
[05:43] <lunitik> libcamel1.2 ... grr
[05:44] <Amaranth> hehe
[05:44] <Amaranth> we have libcamel1.2-3 and libcamel1.2-0
[05:44] <Amaranth> which makes no sense...
[05:44] <lunitik> Amaranth: evolution depends the former though
[05:44] <Amaranth> I know.
[05:46] <thr1ce> zAo^, did you do anything other than follow that guide ?
[05:46] <lunitik> ahh... 1.2-3 is being removed for 1.2-0 actually... wtf
[05:47] <kippi> if i have a .deb package can i install it on Ubuntu?
[05:47] <Amaranth> lunitik: I can't force version?
[05:48] <Echylo> question, when I try to open a .wmv is xine it gives next error: The source seems encrypted, and can't be read (media stream scrambled/encrypted), win32codecs is installed
[05:48] <andro_> dpkg -i package.deb
[05:48] <Amaranth> lunitik: I'm new to forcing and such, I usually don't care about things being removed.
[05:48] <Echylo> kippi,  sudo dkpg -i pack.deb
[05:49] <kippi> Echylo: I just get bash: dkpg: command not found
[05:49] <Echylo> hmm
[05:49] <Echylo> strange
[05:50] <pantz> anyone know where the naming scheme for mounted partitions comes from in the nautilus 'computer' view?
[05:51] <Amaranth> lunitik: ?
[05:51] <grumpysmurf> possibly the partition label on the disk?  what are your partitions named, pantz?
[05:52] <raid> any can help me with the installation of a wireless usb card?
[05:53] <lunitik> Amaranth: if you can, I don't know how...
[05:53] <raid> no one knows of deb packages similar to the atmel wlan driver?
[05:53] <Echylo> kippi,  you did "sudo dpkg -i file.deb" ??
[05:53] <lunitik> Amaranth: well... short of changing the dep yourself... which is a pita
[05:53] <kippi> yep
[05:54] <lunitik> kippi: bet you didn't do the sudo part
[05:54] <lunitik> kippi: there is no way you're running Ubuntu and don't have dpkg installed
[05:54] <lunitik> kippi: too much of the system wants it around
[05:54] <Echylo> yes
[05:54] <Echylo> so you need to do the sudo
[05:54] <resiak> kippi: You haven't typoed dpkg as dkpg have you?
[05:55] <Echylo> he typed
[05:55] <Echylo> dkpg
[05:55] <Echylo> not dpkg
[05:55] <lunitik> Echylo: ahh... good eyes
[05:55] <Echylo> resiak saw that ;)
[05:55] <linuxboy> Hi, is there a way to configure a 5 button mouse in Ubuntu ?
[05:55] <kippi> thanks, thats what i did :D
[05:55] <lunitik> linuxboy: you mean  a scrollwheel mouse?
[05:56] <dr_willis> you do some tweaking of the X config file, and you can set up the mouse.
[05:56] <linuxboy> lunitik: no, 5 buttons + scroll
[05:56] <nubbe> what mp3 encoder should I choose?
[05:56] <lunitik> linuxboy: ahh...
[05:56] <dr_willis> thers proberly several howto/examples out on the web. Depends a little on the exact mouse.
[05:56] <lunitik> nubbe: lame
[05:56] <nubbe> gstreamer? liblame?
[05:56] <linuxboy> lunitik: 4 buttons + 1 on the scroll + scroll
[05:56] <lunitik> nubbe: gstreamer would use lame
[05:57] <gustav_> linuxboy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[05:57] <nubbe> lunitik, gstreamer0.8-lame?
[05:57] <linuxboy> gustav_: ill check it out...
[05:57] <lunitik> linuxboy: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/65492
[05:57] <linuxboy> lunitik: ill check that out too
[05:57] <gustav_> linuxboy: you'll probably only need to do the edit xorg.conf part ..
[05:58] <Amaranth> lunitik: btw, you can force the install
[05:58] <Amaranth> lunitik: messy, but it should work
[05:58] <lunitik> linuxboy: especially note the 'Option "Buttons" "7" '  part
[05:58] <mkerby> Hi everyone
[05:58] <linuxboy> lunitik: yeah...
[05:58] <lunitik> linuxboy: which would be as you describe... (wheel is seen as 3 buttons - up down and press)
[05:59] <mkerby> I can't get gdesklets to work...are there any Ubuntu-specific problems with it?
[05:59] <Echylo> question, when I try to open a .wmv is xine it gives next error: The source seems encrypted, and can't be read (media stream scrambled/encrypted), win32codecs is installed
[05:59] <kippi> how would I install libsasl7? I have tried apt-get install libsasl7 and synaptic but it can't find it
[05:59] <mkerby> Or what else could it be?
[05:59] <mkerby> The console says the daemon is connected but nothing shows up.
[06:00] <Sanji> Hi, i'm trying to make my own kernel, and I have now compiled it. In the grub-conf the default-kernel have something like this "initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386"
[06:00] <chaitatp> hi guys
[06:00] <Sanji> Where can i find initrd for my own kernel?
[06:00] <lunitik> Sanji: did you enable it?
[06:01] <lunitik> Sanji: should be in /boo
[06:01] <lunitik>  /boot
[06:01] <chaitatp> hi guys, is it plausible to use 'ubuntu live cd' with 'HP Pavilion a618l'?
[06:01] <Sanji> should I use the same that the default uses?
[06:01] <lunitik> Sanji: no
[06:02] <Amaranth> chaitatp: Try it.
[06:02] <linuxboy> lunitik: what will my extra buttons do now??? any idea?
[06:02] <lunitik> Sanji: if you didn't enable it, you have to recompile, else try without one (they aren't strictly required)
[06:02] <lunitik> linuxboy: none... heh
[06:03] <chaitatp> Amaranth, have you ever heard of any problems about HP's computer and Ubuntu?
[06:03] <lunitik> linuxboy: I just have a 5 button mouse (scroll and 2)
[06:03] <Amaranth> chaitatp: Not really.
[06:03] <Amaranth> chaitatp: The point of a live cd is to safely see if ubuntu supports your system and to give it a test drive.
[06:03] <Sanji> lunitik, thx. Will try without first.
[06:04] <Doomhammer> when I try to run Unreal Tournament 2004, it just says "Exiting due to error" ... what does that mean?
[06:04] <lunitik> Amaranth: s/The point/The main point/
[06:04] <Sanji> lunitik, do you know where to enable it if I have to?
[06:04] <lunitik> Sanji: it is an option... look for it
[06:04] <Sanji> ok
[06:04] <Zico> Hi.. I'm new to linux.. I'm installing it on P3 450MHz computer with 256Mb memory and 30Gt Harddisk.. will default installation be fine or too slow for this machine?
[06:04] <Sanji> thx
[06:04] <linuxboy> lunitik: its there (**) Configured Mouse: Buttons: 7
[06:04] <deFrysk> Zico, fine
[06:04] <lunitik> Sanji: as you might guess... helping via IRC to compile a kernel is a pita  ;)
[06:04] <chaitatp> Amaranth, HP's quite weird for me that that time i have installed winxp with the HP and, you know, I have to d/l almost all driver from hp-site e.g. ethernet, sound card, chipset, graphics card, modem
[06:05] <linuxboy> lunitik: the one button acts like right click, as it did before
[06:05] <lunitik> linuxboy: yay... you do the xmodmap setting?
[06:05] <sig> I still can't believe there has been a single package upgrade for Hoary yet.
[06:05] <megamind> zico i  m also using on 450 and 256 machine and its going fine ...
[06:05] <Ocid> Zico: i run ubuntu on P3 450 with 128MB ram and it runs fine
[06:05] <Amaranth> chaitatp: I had some hardware that Windows didn't have built-in drivers for that worked automatically with linux. Just try it.
[06:05] <lunitik> sig: Hoary is frozen ... won't get anything enless its via security or updates
[06:05] <linuxboy> sig: im also amazed...
[06:05] <deFrysk> sig, only security updates
[06:05] <lunitik> sig: which you may or may not have enabled
[06:05] <chaitatp> Amaranth, ah!!! that's sound good
[06:05] <sig> lunitik: no kidding what do you think I just said
[06:06] <greg__> anyone know how safe ntfs-linux is?
[06:06] <Zico> deFrysk, thanks.. I was a bit afraid because there was written in guides that "if you don't have P4 with 512 memory you should consider installing with these special settings (going through custom install)"
[06:06] <lunitik> deFrysk: and updates in general ... hoary-updates hoary-security
[06:06] <linuxboy> lunitik: no, didnt see that... ill try now...
[06:06] <sig> there are a few security updates and a fix for gnome-volume-manager should be released
[06:06] <megamind> somebody will tell me how do i configure the dialup in ubuntoo ??
[06:06] <Amaranth> greg__: Reading is safe, writing it almost absolutely going to ruin the partition.
[06:06] <chaitatp> Amaranth, ok i'll try and tell you the result
[06:06] <chaitatp> Amaranth, bye bye
[06:06] <lunitik> sig: don't act like a smart ass, it is not becoming of you
[06:06] <Amaranth> chaitatp: Bye.
[06:06] <sig> lunitik: I don't care
[06:06] <sig> :)
[06:06] <greg__> damn, so there is high rish it might destroy the partition?
[06:07] <Amaranth> greg__: If you're writing it's almost guaranteed.
[06:07] <Zico> what is the most compherensive discussion forum for setting up ubuntu and problem solving? I'd like to bookmark it :)
[06:08] <lunitik> Zico: ubuntuforums.org is popular
[06:08] <grumpysmurf> i've been able to write to NTFS partitions, minimally, without issue, but i take more risks than any sane person should sometimes :)
[06:08] <Zico> thanks lunitik
[06:08] <megamind> somebody will tell me how do i configure the dialup in ubuntoo ??
[06:08] <grumpysmurf> zico: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ and http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[06:08] <lunitik> Zico: has an easy way to keep track of mailing lists too... which is helpful... rather than having your mailbox flooded  ;)
[06:08] <dr_willis> megamind,  i think it includes 'wvdial' - but not sure. :P i dont use dialup.
[06:08] <lunitik> megamind: pppconfig
[06:09] <lunitik> megamind: or as dr_willis says...
[06:09] <dr_willis> or does pppconfig config wvdial? :P
[06:09] <linuxboy> lunitik: still the same :P
[06:09] <infornography> Anybody know why I get no sound when I use XFCE instead of gnome?
[06:09] <dr_willis> "ppp"= point to Point Protocall. (i think) which is what dialup uses.
[06:09] <lunitik> infornography: because you're not starting a sound server?
[06:09] <linuxboy> dr_willis: protocal
[06:10] <linuxboy> dr_willis: protocol
[06:10] <grumpysmurf> lunitik typed faster than me :x
[06:10] <infornography> I can run esd from the command line and it seems to fix it, but having to do that every time is a pain in the arse
[06:10] <lunitik> grumpysmurf: 8)
[06:10] <dr_willis> linuxboy,  lol. :P
[06:10] <infornography> Can I add it to the boot process or something?
[06:10] <lunitik> infornography: add it to your ~.xsession
[06:10] <kangpeh> dude, i love ubuntu
[06:10] <lunitik> ~/.xsession
[06:10] <lunitik> bah
[06:10] <infornography> Ah ok, thanks very much
[06:11] <lunitik> infornography: should already be there and contain xfce things already
[06:11] <JoshuaSyd> what's a good reason having ubuntu linux for operating system?
[06:11] <JoshuaSyd> what's a good reason having ubuntu linux for operating system?
[06:11] <lunitik> infornography: I think XFce has its own Session manager now though, may want to look into that... might be the prefered way...
[06:11] <grumpysmurf> JoshuaSyd please don't repeat your questions so quickly.
[06:11] <Olsen> JoshuaSyd, install the OS that fits you
[06:11] <lunitik> JoshuaSyd: Everyones reasoning is different ...
[06:12] <infornography> lunitik: That gives me a place to start anyway. Thanks
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> ohh
[06:12] <Doomhammer> JoshuaSyd: it's a great mix between user friendlyness and power user
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> sorry2
[06:12] <Doomhammer> JoshuaSyd: that's why I like it
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> yeah
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> i just want to know
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> coz i just installed ubuntu on my other computer
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> i'm a linux noob
[06:12] <lunitik> JoshuaSyd: for me, Ubuntu delivers what I usually configure via Debian in less time...
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> oww
[06:12] <lunitik> JoshuaSyd: for me, it is Debian done right.
[06:13] <grumpysmurf> I like chocolate, so I like Ubuntu's color themes, so thats why I use Ubuntu.  Chocolate forever.
[06:13] <lunitik> grumpysmurf: hahaha
[06:13] <Doomhammer> lol smurf :P
[06:13] <Olsen> can i get the packages of postgresql 8.0.2, php 5.0.4 (with postgresql support) and apache for installing offline on a ubuntu box?
[06:13] <JoshuaSyd> ahh, yea many people told me about debian was a great os
[06:13] <yfir> grumpysmurf: haha. first thing i did was remove all the ubuntu default thematic stuff
[06:13] <lunitik> grumpysmurf: its as good as any reason I suppose  :P
[06:13] <grumpysmurf> I don't really think brown is a great color, but chocolate rules.
[06:13] <SeamusLP> JoshuaSyd:  I use it because apt is not portage.
[06:13] <mad_> grumpysmurf, ahaha. ;)
[06:14] <lunitik> JoshuaSyd: Debian is the best... but there are too much in the way of Politics involved... and I can't give my Mother Debian and expect her to have a clue
[06:14] <Doomhammer> SeamusLP: you don't liek Portage? the ony bad thing about it is that it takes a long time to install packages...
[06:14] <riji> What do i need to install so i can listen to streaming mp3/* musik?
[06:14] <Olsen> ubuntu is debian bleeding edge without the debian politics right?
[06:14] <grumpysmurf> actually, i switched my metacity theme to 'clean' i think, with the blueslate coloring, and then swapped the red and blue values in the default background color so it would be blue instead of brown
[06:14] <grumpysmurf> so i can think of it like blue chocolate.
[06:14] <Doomhammer> riji: you need XMMS
[06:15] <lunitik> riji: gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:15] <SeamusLP> Doomhammer:  Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's great if you're stove isn't working and you need a way to cook eggs
[06:15] <lunitik> Doomgaze`: no
[06:15] <grumpysmurf> olsen haha yeah pretty much.  and chocolate.
[06:15] <JoshuaSyd> lunitik: politics? wow really?
[06:15] <SeamusLP> *your
[06:15] <dr_willis> portage is nice in many ways.. and annoying in others. :P   of coursew that same logic applies to about anything.
[06:15] <lunitik> Doomhammer: no
[06:15] <lunitik> JoshuaSyd: very much so
[06:15] <Olsen> grumpysmurf, lol :P
[06:15] <grumpysmurf> :)
[06:15] <yfir> portage is great if you are a configuration junkie
[06:15] <nubbe> how do I turn off autoplay for cds and dvds?
[06:15] <lunitik> Olsen: supported Sid
[06:15] <JoshuaSyd> ah ic ic...
[06:15] <lunitik> yfir: stfu about Gentoo, kthnx
[06:15] <Doomhammer> I like the Smokey Blue theme :)
[06:15] <Olsen> do you know if i can get the packages of postgresql, php and apache for installing on a ubuntu box that is currently offline?
[06:16] <JoshuaSyd> btw, can you actually change the default theme of ubuntu?
[06:16] <grumpysmurf> anyway, to seriously answer the question JoshuaSyd, I like ubuntu because for desktop Linux, Debian is one of my favorites.
[06:16] <yfir> lunitik: ok, you'd prefer i talk about freeBSD?
[06:16] <SeamusLP> JoshuaSyd: system - preferences - theme
[06:16] <Doomhammer> Portage and Gentoo are definately not for new users... they are designed for people who need / want COMPLETE control over their systems
[06:16] <grumpysmurf> JoshuaSyd yessir.  System -> Preferences -> Themes
[06:16] <Olsen> i can get the source, but i don't have gcc and some development stuff there
[06:16] <lunitik> yfir: I'd prefere you talk about *g* Ubuntu
[06:16] <riji> and: so that i can hear the audio in flashmovies?
[06:16] <yfir> lunitik: well... ubuntu is my second favourite OS :)
[06:16] <lunitik> s/prefere/prefer
[06:16] <Doomhammer> riji: not sure about that one...
[06:16] <lunitik> yfir: cool...
[06:17] <grumpysmurf> right after windows of course, right yfir
[06:17] <lunitik> yfir: idc... this is #ubuntu though
[06:17] <riji> doorhammer: it ok, thnx for the help :) u 2 lunitik
[06:17] <Olsen> can please anyone answer my question?
[06:17] <lunitik> riji: flash sound works here with libmad0 installed
[06:17] <JoshuaSyd> SeamusLP grumpysmurf thanks!!
[06:17] <grumpysmurf> :)
[06:17] <LinuxJones> Olsen, install build-essential
[06:17] <lunitik> riji: using esd and everything  8)
[06:18] <Olsen> i'm unfamiliar with apt-get, synaptic
[06:18] <Olsen> what is that?
[06:18] <LinuxJones> Olsen, sudo apt-get update && install build-essential
[06:18] <LinuxJones> Olsen, enter your user password
[06:18] <yfir> Olsen: you could download the .debs and transfer them to your ubuntu machine later
[06:18] <yfir> Olsen: use dpkg to install them from file
[06:18] <Zico> I found instructions to mount ntfs partition as read only.. is there any risk that ntfs partition gets mixed, because a special disk utilisation program is used to make that 160GB disk visible for this old computer
[06:18] <Olsen> yfir, i want to do that, how can i do it?
[06:19] <lunitik> Olsen: apt-get install build-essential (stuff required for most building of packages) ... then 'apt-get build-dep something-you-want-to-compile' so that it drags in the -dev packages you need
[06:19] <Olsen> and where can i get it
[06:19] <lunitik> Olsen: apt-get build-dep saves a lot of headaches  :P
[06:19] <Olsen> hm heh
[06:19] <Olsen> i never touched apt-get
[06:19] <riji> ok, someone will kill me now: is there a way to get asp-support in apache? :S
[06:20] <Olsen> i used lfs and slackware before, i always compiled stuff
[06:20] <LinuxJones> Olsen, just type those commands I gave you into a terminal
[06:20] <Olsen> but it seems that i don't have the development stuff here
[06:20] <lunitik> riji: look into mono + apache
[06:20] <lunitik> Olsen: no, because build-essential isn't installed
[06:21] <lunitik> Olsen: for most, apt-get is all they need, so development tools aren't installed by default
[06:21] <Olsen> build-essential contains the development stuff? gcc, etc??
[06:21] <lunitik> Olsen: yes
 If anyone has a paypal account i'll give a cool $15 to make fglrx worth with my Radeon 9000 Pro with slackware 10.1
[06:21] <LinuxJones> yeah
 *work
[06:21] <Olsen> ok
[06:21] <mad_> Hahah. :P
[06:21] <SeamusLP> riji:  You port your code to php perl or python ;)
[06:21] <Olsen> yay! i like ubuntu :D
[06:22] <LinuxJones> Olsen, what apps are you truing to install /
[06:22] <LinuxJones> trying*
[06:22] <riji> hmm is that smart? the port can't be anything near stable :S
[06:22] <Olsen> postgresql 8.0.2, php 5.0.4, httpd/apache and mono
[06:22] <lunitik> LinuxJones: hey, know anything about getting mono's ASP stuff to work with Apache?
[06:22] <Olsen> i got a job on a firm, i'm migrating that firm from windows to linux :)
[06:23] <Olsen> i chose ubuntu for desktop and slackware for server
[06:23] <JoshuaSyd> guys, is it hard to install linux server in ubuntu? any internet guide? .. i want to install cpanel that sort of stuff...
[06:23] <Olsen> *chosed
[06:23] <lunitik> LinuxJones: riji wants to know...
[06:23] <LinuxJones> lunitik, nope
[06:23] <lunitik> LinuxJones: shitty  :(
[06:23] <LinuxJones> lunitik, well I am not down with mono :D
[06:24] <riji> well looks like the best solution is to rewrite the code in php
[06:25] <lunitik> riji: hmm... look into 'mono-apache-server' ... it is in Universe
[06:25] <SeamusLP> riji:  May as well try mono first
[06:25] <riji> jepp
[06:26] <riji> i'm starting to love linux :)
[06:26] <lunitik> riji: install 'libapache2-mod-mono' first though... else you get the apache 1.x crap, which you prolly don't want  ;)
[06:27] <lunitik> hmm... which isn't in the repository... damnit
[06:27] <pantz> i asked this b4 but missed any responses so here i go again - anyone know where the naming scheme for mounted partitions comes from in the nautilus 'computer' view?
[06:28] <pantz> i want to change the name given to my partitions
[06:28] <lunitik> pantz: /etc/fstab
[06:28] <pantz> lunitik, mmm - i don't have anything like '40Gb Media' in my /etc/fstab
[06:28] <sageek> Is there any way to make beep-media-player play mp3 files with ubuntu?
[06:29] <lunitik> sageek: apt-get install libmad0
[06:29] <JoshuaSyd> guys, is it hard to install linux server in ubuntu? any internet guide? .. i want to install cpanel that sort of stuff...
[06:29] <pantz> lunitik, i should say '40Gb Hard Drive : 40Gb Media'
[06:29] <sageek> it's already installed
[06:29] <pantz> that is one of the labels that i have for my 40Gb partition
[06:29] <sageek> I'v already installed it anyhow
[06:29] <sageek> didn't help.
[06:29] <sageek> or i should change something after installing it?
[06:30] <Zico> Fontconfig error: cannot load default config file (during installation) !!
[06:30] <sageek> Since i do have libmad, tho mp3 won't play.
[06:30] <Zico> what's wrong with my machine :((
[06:31] <sageek> well?
[06:31] <treyd> hey, i just downloaded ndiswrapper
[06:31] <treyd> untarred it
[06:32] <treyd> then dpkg'ed the deb
[06:32] <treyd> how do i get it to install now?
[06:32] <srbaker> is there a cross-theme way to get double scoll?
[06:32] <srbaker> both buttons at each end of a scroll bar?
[06:34] <LinuxJones> treyd, ndiswrapper should be in the install cd
[06:34] <Zico> hmm.. how come the install complains about fonts many times.. maybe I shouldn't read those error messages
[06:35] <Ocid> Zico: just ignore them
[06:35] <LinuxJones> treyd, cd to the directory then dpkg -i package.deb will install it for you unless there are dependency issues
[06:35] <pvanhoof> How can I let the kernel-build system use gcc-3.3 rather than the newer gcc-4.0 ?
[06:36] <pvanhoof> My kernel doesn't like the fact that I'm building modules using gcc-4.0
[06:36] <pvanhoof> I'm trying with export CC=gcc-3.3
[06:36] <pvanhoof> ain't working (it's using cc)
[06:36] <Zico> does Ubuntu create a log file of errors occurred during the install?
[06:36] <Hmmmm> im on hoary rc. how do i upgrade to final?
[06:37] <pvanhoof> ls -alh /etc/alternatives/cc
[06:37] <pvanhoof> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 12 Apr 16 15:59 /etc/alternatives/cc -> /usr/bin/gcc
[06:37] <pvanhoof> guessing I need to make a symlink to gcc-3.3 here
[06:37] <Ocid> Hmmmm: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:37] <sageek> Is there any way to make beep-media-player play mp3 files with ubuntu? (i have libmad)
[06:37] <yfir> Hmmmm: a normal dist-upgrade should do it
[06:37] <lunitik> srbaker: that is theme specific .. look for a theme that does what you want
[06:37] <srbaker> gah!
[06:38] <srbaker> maybe i'll just hack clearlook
[06:38] <lunitik> srbaker: enless you want to look into making your own theme  :P
[06:38] <srbaker> i don't
[06:38] <srbaker> i just want clearlook with double scrolling
[06:38] <sageek> no one have a clue? eh? ;/
[06:38] <Hmmmm> Ocid, do i need any special repositories?
[06:38] <lunitik> sageek: didn't see your Q...
[06:38] <lunitik> Hmmmm: no
[06:38] <Ocid> Hmmmm: nope, usual hoary reps are enough
[06:38] <sageek> I have beep-media-player installed, AND libmad installed, tho i can't play mp3 under BMP
[06:39] <thully> sageek: did you try gstreamer0.8-mad from universe?
[06:39] <sageek> yeah, i have gstreamer mad, and libmad
[06:39] <Hmmmm> also, how much data will get transfered?
[06:39] <LinuxJones> Hmmmm, sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:39] <lunitik> Hmmmm: just 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' ... once that is done, you're running hoary final  ;)
[06:39] <Hmmmm> approximatetly that is
[06:39] <sageek> no need to change anything on BMP after installing those libs?
[06:39] <LinuxJones> Hmmmm, it will tell you
[06:39] <lunitik> Hmmmm: depends when the last time you upgraded was
[06:39] <Doomhammer> are any of you running Ubuntu in a server environment?
[06:39] <lunitik> sageek: shouldn't be... enless it isn't working  :P
[06:40] <sageek> well it doesn't :o
[06:40] <sageek> by the way
[06:40] <sageek> i'm so inlove with ubnutu! i finally got fglrx to work with 3d.
[06:40] <Olsen> can i get the build-essential package and install on my ubuntu box that is offline atm and compile postgresql, php, apache on it later?
[06:41] <lunitik> sageek: hmm... strange... you restart bmp I take it?
[06:41] <yfir> sageek: make sure you read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats if you haven't already
[06:41] <sageek> lunitik ofcourse
[06:41] <sageek> yfir have no read it
[06:41] <lunitik> yfir: that doesn't tell about bmp mad support... only (at most) xmms and gstreamer
[06:41] <riji> libapcahe2_mod_mono doesn't exist :(
[06:42] <lunitik> riji: I told you that about 20 mins ago
[06:42] <LinuxJones> Olsen, sudo apt-get clean && apt-get -d install packages (this only downloads files) copy them to cd and install to your offline system
[06:42] <riji> yeah
[06:42] <riji> but i want it still :(
[06:42] <sageek> lunitik then no clue ? :P
[06:42] <habib> does anyone knows where to find cdrdao .deb for ubuntu
[06:42] <Olsen> LinuxJones, thx
[06:42] <Hmmmm> lunitik, i just did a fresh hoary rc install
[06:43] <sageek> when it ry to play an mp3
[06:43] <lunitik> Hmmmm: uhh... I'd guess about 200 mb then
[06:43] <sageek> it will just stuck and doesn't dump anything to console
[06:43] <yfir> sageek: make sure that beep is set up to use esd
[06:43] <lunitik> sageek: run it from console and see its output
[06:43] <sageek> yeah that extacly what i did, no outputs
[06:43] <lunitik> sageek: pretty obvious what is wrong though  ;)
[06:43] <Doomhammer> what is the package name for the Apache2 PHP Module?
[06:43] <sageek> hrm, what is wrong then?
[06:43] <Hmmmm> ok thnks
[06:43] <LinuxJones> Olsen, the packages will be somewhere in the /var/cache/apt/ directory
[06:44] <Rydekull> libmod-apach2-php4 or something similiar, use apt-cache?
[06:44] <lunitik> sageek: try installing mpg123 and tell me if that results in better luck
[06:44] <thully> habib: cdrdao in universe
[06:44] <lunitik> Rydekull: he wants mono support...
[06:44] <yfir> sageek: in the beep preferences there should be a way to change sound output from oss/alsa to esd. try changing that.
[06:44] <sageek> yeah
[06:44] <sageek> i try esd
[06:44] <sageek> it works
[06:44] <sageek> tho sounds VERY BAD
[06:44] <lunitik> Rydekull: mod_mono doesn't appear to be in the archive (only the 'backend')
[06:45] <lunitik> yfir: how would that get him mp3 support?
[06:45] <sageek> well it does play mp3s now
[06:45] <sageek> tho it sounds really bad
[06:45] <yfir> lunitik: he already has it. his problem was that beep was freezing
[06:45] <lunitik> sageek: with mpg123?
[06:45] <yfir> lunitik: it's because it's set up to use oss/alsa, not esd
[06:45] <sageek> with es.
[06:45] <LinuxJones> Rydekull, >> mono-apache-server - The mod-mono server that what your looking for ?
[06:46] <lunitik> yfir: no, it is because XMMS playback sucks
[06:46] <Doomhammer> ok... I'm installing PHP -- do I need to edit apache2's config file for PHP to work, or will APT do that for me?
[06:46] <Olsen> hm... apt-get says that can't find postgresql, php
[06:46] <lunitik> yfir: hence, I don't use it... but he wants beep  :/
[06:46] <Doomhammer> Olsen: php is libapache2-mod-php4 and php4
[06:46] <sageek> yfir
[06:46] <sageek> any reason why es sounds so lame? :P
[06:46] <shining> I think there is only one thing very annoying in ubuntu, it's the need of non official repo, like marillat one. I hope all useful packages will be added in universe or multiverse
[06:46] <lunitik> sageek: it isn't esd... it is beep
[06:46] <yfir> sageek: not sure about that
[06:46] <Doomhammer> YAY PHP WORKS! :) :)
[06:46] <sageek> ok
[06:46] <yfir> sageek: it might be beep, as lunitik says
[06:47] <sageek> thank you guys ;)
[06:47] <Olsen> Doomhammer, there is php5?
[06:47] <Olsen> 5.0.4
[06:47] <yfir> sageek: i don't use beep myself, so i don't know exactly how it works
[06:47] <LinuxJones> Olsen, you probably have to add the universe repository
[06:47] <lunitik> yfir: it is... never used it, and compared to other players (it and XMMS both kinda just sound bad)
[06:47] <Olsen> LinuxJones, can you tell me how to do that?
[06:47] <LinuxJones> Olsen, let me get you a link on the wiki
[06:48] <lunitik> yfir: even Zinf sounds better imo... but gstreamer is my prefered mechanism
[06:48] <zenrox> Olsen,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for adding respotries
[06:48] <yfir> lunitik: i happen to use Zinf :)
[06:48] <yfir> lunitik: i like it, but just trying it out these days
[06:48] <shining> you think this will never be done?
[06:48] <LinuxJones> Olsen, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[06:48] <lunitik> yfir: it is decent... libmusicbrainz is what rhythmbox uses I think...
[06:48] <sageek> ubuntu pwnz so far guys
[06:49] <sageek> ;)
[06:49] <promethe_> Has anybody setup PearPC under ubuntu to use networking?
[06:49] <lunitik> yfir: hmm, or not... but yeah, libmusicbrainz is nice
[06:49] <LinuxJones> Olsen, this one has pictures :D >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:50] <thully> ubuntu = debian with a bit simplified install and actual RELEASES
[06:50] <yfir> lunitik: i'm looking for a gstreamer audio player that just plays straight audio files (no personal music library stuff that relies on mp3 meta data). any suggestions?
[06:50] <lunitik> thully: most Debian users could care less about releases
[06:51] <sageek> you guys might know any soulseek client for ubuntu?
[06:51] <lunitik> yfir: I use Rhythmbox... heh... I just click 'Skip this step' when it tries to find my audio files
[06:51] <yfir> sageek: yea, i use it
[06:51] <sageek> which one?
[06:51] <thully> they should just officially forget the whole idea, then - I presonally like having a bit more stability (meaning, no 120MB dist-upgrades) on my primary setup
[06:51] <yfir> sageek: nicotine. it's in universe repositories
[06:51] <lunitik> sageek: nicotine
[06:51] <lunitik> yfir: punkass, beat me  :(
[06:51] <yfir> hehe
[06:51] <robl^> lunitik, that is true.. but there are "potential" debian users that won't use it due to lack of current releases.  mayny corporate and small businesses only want something that's modern and stable.  that's where ubuntu fits in
[06:52] <lunitik> robl^: true enough... Debian gets a very bad wrap from the clueless about aging software in its repo's
[06:52] <lunitik> rap*
[06:53] <thully> well, the problem with just running testing or unstable is instability and lack of security support - hence, Ubuntu.
[06:53] <lunitik> robl^: as for corporations... debian is more used than most modern distro's ... mainly due to its backing from HP...
[06:53] <calljair> hello guys
[06:53] <robl^> lunitik, I think Ubuntu and Debian compliment each and and don't compete.  They have different target audiences
[06:53] <thully> I mean, Debian woody is a running joke... it probably doesn't work on half of modern hardware sold today
[06:54] <riFFiez> hi guys, when i try to extract compressed files, it doesn't allowed me, it says i don't have the right to extract to a folder.... how can i do this?
[06:54] <calljair> I was trying ubuntu and I was noticing that some services like sshd and postfix were running at the boot?
[06:54] <lunitik> robl^: debian will always 'compete' with its derivatives... because the attitude of its users is so negative towards derivatives
[06:54] <lunitik> s/users/userbase/
[06:54] <riFFiez> plz help
[06:54] <fazer_> la l la
[06:54] <calljair> It is a way that I can update that ? or for example to modify what will be running at the boot ?
[06:55] <thully> yes - I've experienced this in #debian - I was dist-upgrading a Debian-based live CD distro and they didn't want to hear it
[06:55] <fazer_> i just woke up
[06:55] <grumpysmurf> postfix runs for sending mail locally, and also sending out via your favorite mail program, eg, Evolution
[06:55] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:55] <robl^> lunitik, that's my point..  Debian users usually woulldn't use Ubuntu and Ubuntu users usualyl don't use Debian.
[06:55] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:55] <shining> what always makes me laugh is that ppl always talk about debian sid like if it was really unstable, while it's in fact as stable as many other distrib, maybe more
[06:55] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:55] <riFFiez> hi guys, when i try to extract compressed files, it doesn't allowed me, it says i don't have the right to extract to a folder.... how can i do this?
[06:55] <lunitik> robl^: I have a Debian server about 2 feet from me
[06:55] <grumpysmurf> thanks for the updates O.o
[06:55] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:55] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:55] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:55] <lunitik> riFFiez: don't repeat
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <LinuxJones> ablyss, stop flooding
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <lunitik> ablyss: lame
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <riFFiez> lunitik: don't repeat?
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <thully> sid may be stable, as in system stability, but it isn't stable as in package selection - not everybody wants to do 100MB worth of dist-upgrades every few days
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <grumpysmurf> damn it
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <robl^> lunitik, I do too.. and I have serveral development boxes running Debian..  but Ubuntu is my desktop for say to day work.
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <thully> also, there is still breakage in sid...
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <robl^> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:57] <riFFiez> hi guys, when i try to extract compressed files, it doesn't allowed me, it says i don't have the right to extract to a folder.... how can i do this?
[06:57] <riFFiez> plz help....
[06:58] <JDahl> riFFiez, maybe you dont have write perms?
[06:58] <raid> hi all, just installed my wlan udb card, but ubuntu wont see the wlan network
[06:59] <kkathman> anyone running gkrellm ?
[06:59] <Doomhammer> what tape backup software is availible for ubuntu?
[06:59] <riFFiez> JDahl: how can i set write perms?
[06:59] <\sh> re
[06:59] <Wings> meuh meuh meuh 80 yo
[06:59] <riFFiez> please... sudo chmod ... what value?
[06:59] <yfir> kkathman: i am
[06:59] <Fleebailey33> Doomhammer: rysnc?
[06:59] <kkathman> yfir:  do you know anything about configuring the email part?
[07:00] <\sh> riFFi: 644 == rw-r--r--
[07:00] <riFFiez> 644?
[07:00] <yfir> kkathman: a little...
[07:00] <riFFiez> is that able to write on a folder?
[07:00] <Doomhammer> Fleebailey33: rsync? I thought that was like a file transfer protocol? I'm trying to put files on my hard drive onto some 20GB tapes I have
[07:00] <Fleebailey33> no
[07:00] <Fleebailey33> you can back up with it
[07:01] <kkathman> yfir: its got that I have 4 messages...yet when I go to /var/mail  I only see one...I do an ls -l and it says 4...whats up?
[07:01] <JDahl> Doomhammer, you can use tar
[07:01] <Fleebailey33> it's what i use.
[07:02] <Doomhammer> hrm... guess I"ll look into rsync and tar :)
[07:02] <Doomhammer> thanks guys
[07:02] <yfir> kkathman: not sure, to be honest. is it  perhaps reading more than one mailbox? :)
[07:02] <riFFiez> ~/sh / JDhal: how can i write the folder permission ... i mean, what's the syntax for sudo command?
[07:02] <riFFiez> i'm pretty new with linux.. sorry
[07:02] <pantz> doh did it again - thats what you get for being a spak - anyone know where the naming scheme for mounted partitions comes from in the nautilus 'computer' view? eg. 20Gb Hard Disk: 20Gb Media
[07:03] <pantz> xchat scrollback lines = 100000
[07:03] <kkathman> yfir: when I do an ls -al  it then says it has 12 entries, yet only 3 show
[07:03] <JDahl> riFFiez, to what folder are you trying to extract the files?
[07:03] <grumpysmurf> pantz looks like that is coming from the kernel detected size of the partition/disk.
[07:04] <Plexys> how do i set my num-lock to activate automatically at boot?
[07:04] <riFFiez> it's inside the home/rootfolder/somefolder/
[07:04] <Ocid> Plexys: sudo apt-get install numlockx
[07:04] <Plexys> 0cid: thank you
[07:05] <Doomhammer> do any of you guys have the link to the Sun Java on Ubuntu page?
[07:05] <riFFiez> ...
[07:05] <JDahl> riFFiez, then 'chmod u+w somefolder'... also 'man chmod'
[07:05] <pantz> grumpysmurf, any idea how to rename them?
[07:06] <grumpysmurf> pantz nope, i don't use nautilus
[07:06] <yfir> kkathman: if you are doing ls -al in /var/mail/ you will get info on all folders there. perhaps you it's also listing root as well as your username
[07:06] <pantz> ok
[07:06] <thomas001> hi. i'm having problems using foomatic on ubuntu,when i call foomatic-configure to add a printer i get a internal-server-error from cups. the cups logs read: add_printer: Unable to copy PPD file from /var/spool/cups/00000002 to /etc/cups/ppd/hl1430.ppd - Permission denied!. any ideas?
[07:06] <riFFiez> JDahl oh ok let me try thx
[07:07] <kkathman> yfir I executed it with sudo also...no change....its weird
[07:08] <shining> thomas001, sudo?
[07:08] <Ocid> Doomhammer: do you mean this http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre ?
[07:08] <thomas001> shining, ich mach das als root und cupsd laeuft als user cupsys dem beide verzeichnisse gehoeren
[07:08] <shining> ach so
[07:09] <thomas001> vll laeuft aber foomatic als root hmm
[07:09] <Ocid> thomas001: english or /join #ubuntu-de
[07:09] <FreezerXX> Ubuntu always loses the contact to the keyboard when shutting the screen of my notebook. Sometimes it can t connect it at boottime, so that I am not able to make a choice in the grubs boot menu. Is this a know bug? Its cumbersome to boot ubuntu each time by presse the power off/on button of my notebook
[07:09] <thomas001> occy, oh sorry,surely, i got confused when switching channels...sorry,i'll write in english
[07:09] <thomas001> Ocid even
[07:09] <JPohlmann> Hi all. Is anyone familiar with autoconf? I have a problem with it but I don't yet know if the package shipped with Ubuntu causes it.
[07:10] <thomas001> shining, sudo -u cupsys did it...so i guess foomatic-configure created the ppd as UID0, which is unreadable by cupsd...
[07:10] <LinuxJones> Olsen,  >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:11] <shining> thomas001, possible
[07:11] <thomas001> shining, btw do you know of a nice gui frontend for foomatic?
[07:12] <shining> thomas001, can't you configure your printer with the ubuntu tools?
[07:13] <shining> thomas001, look in system menu
[07:13] <thomas001> shining, i got my printer configured with foomatic, but ghostscript does not know of the hl1250 driver....very strange...i remember it working in sid...
[07:13] <k-otik> whats the program that sits on your desktop and monitors disk usage?
[07:13] <promethe> How can I install brctl command?
[07:13] <thomas001> shining, no gnome,no system menu ;-)
[07:13] <shining> k-otik, s/the/one
[07:13] <shining> thomas001, ha
[07:14] <shining> thomas001, just launch gnome for trying then :)
[07:14] <phxguy> would anyone here care to help me rebuild my Kernel?
[07:14] <tremor_> i have a problem with ndiswrapper, it installs fine, but whenever i do "modprobe ndiswrapper", something goes wrong
[07:14] <thomas001> shining, but gs does not know of the hl1250 driver,neither gs-gpl nor gs-afpl....so what now?
[07:14] <shining> phxguy, there are docs/howto for it
[07:14] <promethe> how can I INSTALL brctl?
[07:14] <tremor_> the kernel log shows that the driver is loaded ==> "ndiswrapper: driver rt2500usb (BELKIN,07/15/2004, <IP_ADDRESS>0) loaded"
[07:15] <tremor_> but after that line, i get hundreds of "usb 3-1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2" messages
[07:15] <k-otik> shining ~"s/the/one is the name?
[07:15] <phxguy> shining: yeah I know but they are very generic and i all want to do is enable HIMEM
[07:15] <shining> thomas001, sorry, I never had to mess up with that while configuring a printer, so I've no idea
[07:15] <tremor_> anybody ever seen this error before ? (belkin f5d7050 usb2.0 54mbit adapter) / ubuntu 2.6.10 kernel
[07:15] <shining> phxguy, I heard it isnt a good idea. you've 1 gb of mem?
[07:16] <shining> k-otik, it means there isnt one app which does that
[07:16] <k-otik> shining there isnt' anything that does that?
[07:16] <phxguy> shining: yeah 1.5G of memory If i use the 686 kernel its fine but then my ndiswrapper doesnt work
[07:16] <shining> RexM, hey :) you left gentoo ?
[07:17] <RexM> shining: i'm using ubuntu as of right now ;)
[07:17] <Fazer> How do I increase the volume of the sound?
[07:17] <RexM> it's pretty nice, although gnome is a little sluggish on my system..
[07:17] <Fazer> The volume is terribly low even if I increase its volume....
[07:17] <RexM> compared to openbox3.. which i was running on gentoo, lol
[07:17] <Fazer> I have to manually increase my laptop's speakers.
[07:17] <phxguy> I haven noticed anything detrimental while using the higher memory
[07:17] <shining> RexM, hehe. you still can
[07:18] <thomas001> gs tells me "Unknown device: hl1250" how to get this driver in ubuntu?
[07:18] <RexM> lol
[07:18] <shining> phxguy, anyway, I just know a patch for 1g mem. for 1.5 I guess you need himem anyway
[07:18] <yfir> RexM: this is a bit off topic, but how does openbox compare to fluxbox? i've been told to switch but I'm not sure why...
[07:19] <phxguy> shining: wheres the patch?
[07:19] <RexM> yfir: i've heard arguments from both sides, i guess i was just too lazy to setup fluxbox since i already had openbox installed
[07:19] <RexM> and i had made some themes for openbox already..
[07:19] <RexM> openbox doesn't have a panel or anything, it's just a WM..
[07:19] <shining> phxguy, I don't know what it'll do with 1.5 gig. kernel.kolivas.org
[07:19] <yfir> RexM: ok. just curious. since i've already got fluxbox set up nicely, i won't change unless there is a very good reason :)
[07:19] <RexM> development on openbox is very slow..
[07:19] <SeamusLP> NotANick:  Hello.  Playing Freeciv 2 :P
[07:19] <yfir> RexM: but nobody can give me one
[07:20] <RexM> hi
[07:20] <RexM> erm, wrong box
[07:20] <grumpysmurf> some window managers have panels..
[07:21] <kev__> i installed hoary and have 1 raid-1 partitions (comprised of hda7 and hdc1) for /home. the partition step of the install went less than smoothly and i ended up not specifying where to mount the raid device. so now when i boot i get 3 raid devices: md0 (comprised of only hda7), md1 (comprised of only hdc1), and md255 (comprised of hdc1). i've read that i should define the raid devices in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, but why are the existing devices getting
[07:21] <kev__>  created and how to i stop it? ie, i want only /dev/md0 (comprised of hda7 and hdc7) to be mounted as /home on boot.
[07:21] <fred23> hi
[07:21] <forsaker8k6> hi everybody
[07:21] <Fazer> Yo
[07:22] <fred23> how do i set the refresh rates for my monitors? i can only select 60Hz in the gnome tool...
[07:22] <Plexys> what is a good gnutella client for linux?
[07:22] <yfir> Plexys: gtk-gnutella
[07:22] <Fazer> man, i need to fix my volue
[07:22] <forsaker8k6> fred23: i guess you have to change maully the oprtions in you xf86 config file
[07:22] <Fazer> it way tooo low
[07:22] <synic> Plexys: apollon
[07:22] <forsaker8k6> manually*
[07:23] <shining> kev__, I thought ubuntu installer handled that
[07:23] <shining> kev__, at least debian one did flawlessly
[07:23] <yfir> fred23: you may need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:23] <forsaker8k6> yes right: ubuntu uses xorg :D
[07:23] <shining> kev__, on other distrib, I used mdadm manually. man mdadm
[07:23] <lunitik> haha @ Adobe Flash MX  ... Adobe is purchasing Macromedia  8)
[07:24] <forsaker8k6> Adobe what? O_o
[07:24] <grumpysmurf> hoary uses xorg, warty uses xfree.
[07:25] <Plexys> synic: can i use apollon on gnome?
[07:25] <kev__> shining: i'm able to delete md1 and md255, and properly construct md0 by hand. but i certainly don't want to do this every boot. do you know where the boot process is getting its info on raid devices?
[07:25] <lunitik> forsaker8k6: yeah... it was Macromedia's business Flash creation suite... and stuff
[07:25] <lunitik> Plexys: sure... I wouldn't recommend it though
[07:25] <grumpysmurf> i wonder i fthat will delay the amd64 linux port of flash.
[07:26] <shining> kev__, its done automatically with mdadm
[07:26] <fred23> forsaker8k6,yfir: i tried various settings in xorg.conf, still 60Hz :(
[07:26] <forsaker8k6> lunitik: yes i'm just reading the new on google news..
[07:26] <Plexys> lunitik: then which app should i use for gnutella?
[07:26] <shining> kev__, but I think you messed up something during the install. it would have been a lot easier
[07:26] <lunitik> forsaker8k6: kind of makes sense... although I sort of saw them as very different companies  :/
[07:27] <forsaker8k6> lunitik: i guess Adobe will conquer the world somday... :P
[07:27] <lunitik> forsaker8k6: same market though I suppose (graphic design folks)
[07:27] <kev__> shining: hmmm. perhaps i will try creating /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and reboot. with any luck mdadm will look at that file and not try to auto-detect what devices to create. (/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf is specified by /etc/init.d/mdadm and /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid as its conf files)
[07:27] <kev__> shining, i wish i hadn't buggered the install, but i really don't want to reinstall...
[07:28] <yfir> Plexys: gtk-gnutella is a great gnutella client
[07:28] <forsaker8k6> fred23: mmm i really don't know: that should work
[07:28] <shining> kev__, ok good luck
[07:28] <pagefault> wow people still use gnutella? :)
[07:28] <yfir> Plexys: you can get it if you enable Universe/Multiverse repos
[07:28] <synic> I think gtk-gnutella is terrible.
[07:29] <Plexys> yfir: i tried that but it wouldn't let me change the download folder
[07:29] <lunitik> pagefault: he wants giftoxic (apollon equiv. for GNOME) but someone recommended that
[07:29] <yfir> synic: works superbly for me
[07:29] <Fazer> man, i don't feel like going to work tomorrow =(
[07:29] <pagefault> lunitik, ahh
[07:29] <pagefault> P&G bought gilette?
[07:29] <synic> yfir: oh, it works... but that doesn't mean it's not the worst ui ever.
[07:29] <pagefault> this must be "buy out" day
[07:29] <lunitik> pagefault: yeah... nicotine would be even better... but yeah
[07:29] <lunitik> pagefault: yeah... like a month ago... never knew just how much they own
[07:30] <yfir> synic: depends what you're used to i guess. reminds me of dc++
[07:30] <lunitik> pagefault: I have like 40 products around the house, all owned by them... heh, never knew it
[07:30] <pagefault> lunitik, yeah they own us
[07:30] <pagefault> P&G or Colgate/Palmolive
[07:30] <lunitik> pagefault: they own everything you use to clean with, more than likely
[07:30] <pagefault> it's either one or the two :)
[07:30] <synic> yfir: ah, I've never used that.
[07:30] <lunitik> pagefault: crest
[07:31] <pagefault> isn't crest owned by P&G?
[07:31] <lunitik> pagefault: yeah
[07:31] <forsaker8k6> BTW it's a very interesting game: to go looking at you home product's etiquette and see they are another P&G product
[07:32] <pagefault> at at least now mrclean will get free razors to shave his head :)
[07:32] <Fazer> so
[07:32] <lunitik> forsaker8k6: boggled my mine... I hadn't even heard of P&G till earlier this year... now I find out I use most of their products... crazy
[07:32] <Fazer> anyone know how to increase the volume?
[07:32] <wezzer-_> alsamixer
[07:32] <lunitik> pagefault: hahaha
[07:32] <Fazer> wezzer-_: yeah, its all max, but I need it to be louder.
[07:32] <wezzer> get amplifier
[07:32] <forsaker8k6> lunitik: it happened the same to me.. it's just shocking...
[07:32] <Fazer> wezzer-_: amplifier? explain...
[07:33] <wezzer> umm
[07:33] <wezzer> it was kind of joke
[07:33] <wezzer> :)
[07:33] <Fazer> wezzer-_: suck
[07:33] <wezzer> what is your problem?
[07:34] <wezzer> sound is too low?
[07:34] <Fazer> wezzer-_: yeah =(
[07:34] <lunitik> Fazer: turn it up?
[07:34] <wezzer> what kind of speakers you got?
[07:34] <pagefault> ugh well going to breezy was probably not a smart thing :)
[07:34] <wezzer> you have volume knob integrated in those?
[07:34] <pixil9> Does ubuntu come with nvidia drivers by default?
[07:34] <Fazer> lunitik: figured i'd be a little smarter and would've done that?
[07:34] <Fazer> wezzer-_: I have it on my thinkpad...
[07:34] <Fazer> wezzer-_: yeah, but I have to turn it way up...
[07:35] <wezzer> hmm
[07:35] <forsaker8k6> pixil9: i think not... you have to install a package named nvidia-glx
[07:35] <vordhosbn> what program can i use to rename my mp3 collection to "artist/album/# - name.mp3" based upon their id3 tags?
[07:35] <forsaker8k6> or something like that
[07:35] <Fazer> wezzer-_: which isn't good if I boot up or the system beeps...that will be way loud.
[07:35] <lunitik> Fazer: the sound logo in top right... right click it... Open Volume Control ... turn up everything
[07:35] <wezzer> hmm, laptop
[07:35] <Fazer> lunitik: yeap, I did that when I was in gnome..
[07:35] <pixil9> forsaker8k6: Ok. Does it have a default kernel of 2.4.x or 2.6.x?
[07:35] <lunitik> Fazer: KDE now?
[07:35] <wezzer> Fazer: have you tried with headset?
[07:35] <yfir> Fazer: just a longshot, but some laptops have a separate volume control integrated into bios
[07:35] <Fazer> wezzer: headphones are the same.
[07:36] <pagefault> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[07:36] <Fazer> yfir: hmm, bah, it is fine in Windows
[07:36] <lunitik> pixil9: Warty = 2.6.8 ; Hoary = 2.6.10
[07:36] <pagefault> for help on nvidia driver
[07:36] <forsaker8k6> pixil9: i think hoatry comes with 2.6
[07:36] <Fazer> lunitik: I am in xfce, used to be in gnome
[07:36] <forsaker8k6> yes
[07:36] <pixil9> Cool.
[07:36] <lunitik> Fazer: can't fire up alsamixer?
[07:36] <pixil9> Hoary is developmeny then?
[07:36] <pixil9> development
[07:36] <forsaker8k6> no it's stable now
[07:37] <thepeacemaker> hey anybody here have video problems with hoary?
[07:37] <Fazer> lunitik: I did, anything that I can turn up is up...
[07:37] <pixil9> okay. I'll give it a shot
[07:37] <lunitik> pixil9: Breezy is stable
[07:37] <lunitik> unstable*
[07:37] <pixil9> ah okay
[07:37] <Fazer> PCM is up
[07:37] <pixil9> I'm just thinkin about switchin from basic debian
[07:37] <Fazer> (maxed out)
[07:38] <lunitik> Fazer: 'alsamixer'
[07:38] <Fazer> lunitik: yes, i know...
[07:38] <lunitik> Fazer: bah... I already said that... heh... yeah... XFce needs a sane way to not suck @ sound
[07:38] <Fazer> lunitik: i have tried it before, PCM and anything else that is enabled has volume as high as it can go
[07:38] <forsaker8k6> pixil9: you won't regret... maybe...
[07:38] <yfir> pixil9: if you're a debian stable user you'll be pretty comfortable with Hoary
[07:38] <Fazer> lunitik: even in gnome, i don't really notice a differene =/
[07:38] <calljair> guys the postfix system that comes with ubuntu, can be use as a email server?
[07:38] <pixil9> I usually just net install sarge
[07:38] <yfir> pixil9: plus you'll get more "modern" packages...
[07:39] <lunitik> yfir: a Debian Stable user is used to GNOME 1.4 ... pretty different  ;)
[07:39] <hexmode> pixil9: yes, postfix is a real mail server
[07:39] <forsaker8k6> asd
[07:39] <pixil9> I use X + openbox heh
[07:39] <Bazzi> holy sh** gnome 1.4...
[07:39] <pixil9> postfix is the one and only
[07:39] <lunitik> Bazzi: yup... in woody
[07:39] <yfir> lunitik: didn't know that :)
[07:39] <Bazzi> I wonder if sarge ever gets stable
[07:40] <forsaker8k6> Bazzi: i think it will never
[07:40] <lunitik> Bazzi: woody was released about 20 months ago... one day, they might actually get Sarge out the door
[07:40] <forsaker8k6> -_-
[07:40] <grumpysmurf> pixil9 careful, if you do that sendmail might send it somewhere.
[07:40] <pixil9> heh
[07:40] <Bazzi> yeah eventually it will become stable :)
[07:40] <grumpysmurf> lunitik, just in time for the 2.8 kernel.
[07:41] <grumpysmurf> and then debian will be behind, again.
[07:41] <lunitik> Bazzi: it was actually supposed to be released in February... but someone farted on that idea  :/
[07:41] <lunitik> grumpysmurf: you think that soon?  :P
[07:41] <Raskall> I think I will start up my own business now. I am at home with my little daughter until the end of june, and then I am out of a job. I want to sell ubuntu servers with firewall, spam-/virus-filtering mailserver, web server and windows server (samba) or terminal server (freeNX).
[07:41] <Bazzi> well the 2.6 kernel is good enough for the next 5 years, isnt it? :)
[07:41] <yfir> ubuntu is my first Debian-based distro. guess I was lucky...
[07:41] <thepeacemaker> i have a problem in that totem and mplayer won't play videos in hoary.  Anybody have this same problem?
[07:41] <grumpysmurf> :D
[07:41] <Raskall> that must be an interesting produkt for small and medium size businesses.
[07:41] <pixil9> thepeacemaker: are w32codecs installed?
[07:41] <lunitik> thepeacemaker: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:42] <thepeacemaker> pixil9, yes.  but problem still persists with regular mpg vids
[07:42] <lunitik> pixil9: is*  ... w32codecs is a single package  ;)
[07:43] <stianh> Hey, how do I get the mysql server running?
[07:43] <thepeacemaker> stianh, start mysqld?
[07:43] <Raskall> stianh: sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld start
[07:43] <bur[n] er> sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld start
[07:43] <stianh> hmm, I do not have mysqld in init.d
[07:43] <stianh> sorry
[07:44] <Raskall> stianh: then you a) has installed mysqld the wrong way or, b) not install mysql server at all.
[07:44] <stianh> lol, I had alot of mysql stuff installed, but not the actual binaries
[07:44] <stianh> sorry
[07:44] <bur[n] er> aww
[07:44] <stianh> :P
[07:44] <Plexys> how can i make a shortcut on the desktop to run a command in an external map?
[07:44] <Plexys> right now i have ' /home/patrick/LimeWire/sh ./runLime.sh'  but it doesn't seem to work
[07:45] <zab_> Plexys: do you have java installed?
[07:45] <zab_> and did you install limewire from the zip or with alien?
[07:45] <Plexys> yes, and it works in a terminal when i scroll to the map and type in sh ./runLime.sh
[07:45] <Plexys> but how do i make a shortcut for that command?
[07:45] <Plexys> what do i fill in in the command field?
[07:46] <zab_> Plexys: I've heard that alien-ing the rpm will create a shortcut for you
[07:46] <yfir> Plexys: add it to your /usr/local/bin/
[07:46] <yfir> Plexys: or some other path you are comfortable with
[07:47] <ups> Plexys: change it to: /bin/sh /home/patrick/LimeWire/runLime.sh
[07:48] <flodine> hoe do you change the splash screen in ubuntu
[07:48] <flodine> how
[07:48] <flodine> sorry
[07:48] <flodine> holla back
[07:49] <flodine> anyone
[07:49] <flodine> help
[07:50] <yfir> flodine: Configuration Editor -> apps -> gnomesession   is the easiest way if you are more confortable with a GUI
[07:51] <pixil9> k well ubuntu here i come.. hopefully i liek it
[07:51] <pagefault> if I submit a package to be included with ubuntu in the repository which one does it go into?
[07:51] <forsaker8k6> mmm... everyone: just a question what are the sources for univers and multiuniverse repos?
[07:51] <forsaker8k6> multiverse*
[07:51] <yfir> pagefault: if it's accepted, it wouldn't be available until Breezy anyway
[07:51] <pagefault> yfir, ahh
[07:51] <SirFred> Hello. My hoary is not automounting my cf cards. I'm suspecting one reason could be my fstab was from my old sid system (I installed Hoary on it).
[07:52] <SirFred> Do I need to have a entry for my cfcard (/dev/hde1 or something so) on my fstab?
[07:52] <Ocid> forsaker8k6: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:52] <SirFred> I've seen that hal should automodify fstab, Isn't it ?
[07:53] <thomas001> yay i needed to patch ghostscript
[07:54] <thomas001> so let's test bugzilla
[07:54] <blueI> hi everyone
[07:54] <SirFred> When I insert a cf card, I can see in my .xsession-errors:
[07:54] <nickrud> floodline: look for GraphicalTheme in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[07:54] <SirFred> Error: File system name 'auto' is not valid  (original in spanish)
[07:55] <blueI> I have a question about the startup of the live-cd.
[07:55] <djm62> SirFred: it isn't identifying the fs...can you specify it?
[07:56] <SirFred> djm62: But where?
[07:56] <djm62> btw: spotted in central glasgow computer shop...warty livecds and install cds being given away
[07:56] <SirFred> djm62: I't supposed to be automatic.
[07:56] <blueI> can somebody tell me that what library is used for creating the text-mode startup? (I've used the gnome-10 livecd)
[07:57] <blueI> It is interesting for me to know that
[07:57] <djm62> SirFred: what's the context?
[07:57] <blueI> because it was great
[07:57] <yfir> djm62: at my uni's library, there was a stack of warty cds at the reference desk for a while...
[07:57] <thomas001> can i append patches to a bug once created?
[07:57] <pagefault> I wonder if anyone from ubuntu is going to be at the linux world expo here
[07:58] <nickrud> djm62, I got the 10 pack of warty, dropped 9 off at my library, and the librarian said they were gone in 2 hours.
[07:58] <SirFred> It seems that /etc/hal/device.d/fstab-update.hal should update the fstab properly.
[07:58] <ups> thomas001: yes, attach it in bugzilla
[07:58] <blueI> sorry for interrupting your discussion, but does anybody understood what I meant?!
[07:58] <blueI> I mean is it ncurses?
[07:58] <yfir> anyone received their Hoary cds yet? and will they be shipped to the same adress as the Warty cds if I haven't specifically asked for them?
[07:59] <djm62> SirFred: what filesystem is it?
[07:59] <nickrud> blueI, dunno
[07:59] <tbird> ncurses-base
[08:00] <blueI> thanks
[08:00] <SirFred> djm62: It's an vfat CF card.
[08:00] <djm62> nickrud: hadn't thought of doing that...maybe I'll order hoary
[08:00] <blueI> but I thought it doesn't support bidirectional text(like hebrew), and arabic, that actually it does!
[08:01] <tbird> blueI, not sure
[08:01] <djm62> SirFred: if you run mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mount/dir does it work?
[08:01] <forsaker8k6> mmm sorry: how can i enable dma on my dvd drive?
[08:01] <blueI> can u suggest me how to find out this thing?
[08:02] <djm62> forsaker8k6: the tool you want is "hdparm"
[08:03] <djm62> forsaker8k6: once you have the right settings for that you can automate it
[08:03] <tbird> forsaker8k6, hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc (or whatever your drive is)
[08:03] <SirFred> djm62: No.
[08:03] <SirFred> djm62: It asks for the filesystem type.
[08:03] <nydust> will ubuntu come with an server edition?
[08:03] <Amaranth> nydust: It already does.
[08:03] <forsaker8k6> tnk you all
[08:03] <nydust> Amaranth, ??? url?
[08:03] <Amaranth> nydust: Boot the install CD with the "server" option.
[08:04] <forsaker8k6> djm62|tbird: how can i automate it?
[08:04] <Amaranth> It'll install a very minimal system that you can build a server on.
[08:04] <nydust> Amaranth, aha.. What is different?
[08:04] <megamind> hi again ...
[08:04] <nydust> Amaranth, nice
[08:04] <Amaranth> No X, no GTK, no QT, etc, etc.
[08:04] <megamind> how do i play mpe songs ? in ubuntoo
[08:04] <Amaranth> Basically the minimum ammount of stuff to make the system boot into a command line.
[08:04] <megamind> ? somebdoy haev any idea
[08:05] <Amaranth> mp3?
[08:05] <nydust> Amaranth, just server apps? how is it compered with debian
[08:05] <pagefault> sudo apt-get install xmms
[08:05] <Amaranth> nydust: Not even server apps. Why should Ubuntu decide what kind of server you want?
[08:05] <forsaker8k6> mmm... something is weong with hdparam
[08:05] <blueI> So, you're talking about Hard disks. Does anybody knows how to adjust the disk cache?
[08:05] <Amaranth> nydust: But those are all just an apt-get away.
[08:05] <nydust> Amaranth, thats true
[08:05] <pagefault> server should really be called 'bare'
[08:05] <pagefault> since thats what it is
[08:06] <blueI> It really annoys me to have 256MB of ram, and at the same time, 150MB of disk cache!
[08:06] <megamind> xmms is a multimedia application ?
[08:06] <pagefault> thats normal, linux will adjust your cache as more ram is needed
[08:06] <djm62> blueI: cache isn't a bad thing
[08:06] <blueI> i want to adjust it
[08:06] <blueI> as many other kernel parameter
[08:07] <blueI> but when my system falls on swap, wow!
[08:07] <paxmaster> just anybody know a good network scanner
[08:07] <pagefault> you can adjust it, but there really isn't a good reason to
[08:07] <blueI> bad things happen
[08:07] <forsaker8k6> can someone help me with this hdparam? pleazzzzz
[08:07] <paxmaster> i am getting hit
[08:07] <djm62> blueI: swapoff, if you really want....but I don't think it will improve your experience
[08:07] <sjnovick> Hi all.  I have an audio question.  I just installed Ubuntu Hoary and find that some sound words and some sound does not.
[08:07] <sjnovick> Can anyone help?
[08:07] <tbird> forsaker8k6, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-16360.html
[08:08] <blueI> at the same time, it is using the swap for caching ram on the hard disk, and at the same time using disk cache for caching hard disk on ram!
[08:08] <pagefault> linux is not like windows where it uses all your ram as disk cache and then forgets about it :)
[08:08] <synic> is swsusp in the standard ubuntu kernel?
[08:08] <honeydew> hello, Im running ubuntu horay on my compaq v2000, I have windows XP on one partition and ubuntu installed on a later partition on the hd... now when I try and boot winxp I get grub  error 29: write disk boot error... I googled quite abit and havnt been able to find anything.. on the subject...
[08:08] <honeydew> robotnik is hear as wel on the subjecty
[08:08] <forsaker8k6> tnx a lot tbird ;)
[08:08] <foxiness> hi all :)
[08:09] <blueI> hi
[08:09] <Pluk> hiya
[08:09] <SirFred> What process is the one that automounts removable devices?
[08:09] <tbird> forsaker8k6, np
[08:09] <honeydew> how could I look and see what partition XP is on
[08:09] <Pluk> SirFred, gnome-volume-manager
[08:09] <ups> SirFred: gnome-volume-manager
[08:09] <blueI> that is a daemon, as I know
[08:09] <honeydew> I think it may have something todo with that
[08:09] <SirFred> I'm talking about pcmcia devices.
[08:09] <foxiness> this is my first time on ubuntu and i and my firend have some Q
[08:10] <SirFred> Pluk, ups : And how gnome-volume-manager is informed about the filesystem type?
[08:10] <Pluk> autodetects
[08:10] <djm62> blueI: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3202?from=100&comments_per_page=50
[08:10] <ups> SirFred: i believe hal tells it, but why do u want to know that?
[08:10] <djm62> blueI: if you want to get into that, be informed
[08:10] <SirFred> ups: Well, my pcmcia CF card is not mount automatically.
[08:11] <SirFred> I would like to fix it, but I don't know what players are involved.
[08:11] <sjnovick> Can anyone pick up an audio question?
[08:11] <ups> SirFred: probably file a bug then?
[08:11] <sjoerd> SirFred: that's caused by problems in the kernels ide layers.. known problem
[08:11] <blueI> thanks djm62
[08:11] <foxiness> my firends use dail-up to connect to internt "an use eth" and am not see anything about dail-up on ubuntu
[08:12] <SirFred> sjoerd: Well, it's only with my cf cards. Other ide devices work for me.
[08:12] <flodine> anyone in here run teamspeak mine wont open
[08:12] <flodine> holla back
[08:12] <nickrud> foxiness, pppconfig to set it up, pon and poff to control.
[08:12] <SirFred> sjoerd: I've seen a .xsession-errors log that says that filename 'auto' is not valid or something so.
[08:12] <flodine> teamspeak help
[08:13] <paxmaster> i need a good network scanner
[08:13] <sjoerd> SirFred: other ide doesn't involve pcmcia :)
[08:13] <forsaker8k6> tbird: /dev/hda:
[08:13] <forsaker8k6>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[08:13] <forsaker8k6>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[08:13] <forsaker8k6>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[08:13] <paxmaster> does anybody know one
[08:13] <djm62> SirFred: I think it's to do with your hardware...best to file a bug with details of what hardware you have
[08:13] <forsaker8k6> how can you explain?
[08:13] <paxmaster> i think hacker are trying to connect my computer
[08:13] <SirFred> OK. I'll do so.
[08:13] <djm62> SirFred: can you mount it manually with -t vfat?
[08:14] <SirFred> djm62: Yes.
[08:14] <nickrud> forsaker8k6, did you sudo it?
[08:14] <forsaker8k6> nickrud: yep
[08:14] <djm62> SirFred: at least it's only inconvenient then...small blessings ;)
[08:15] <hobocop> beautiful
[08:15] <nickrud> I just ran hdparm here, got same error without, worked with.
[08:15] <SirFred> Should I expect hibernation to work in my Thinkpad A21m ?
[08:15] <SirFred> Is there any hardware compatibility list for ubuntu hoary ?
[08:15] <forsaker8k6> mmm... i can assure i sudoed it :D
[08:15] <Pluk> SirFred, only of you dont use the fglrx ati driver
[08:15] <SirFred> Pluk: :)
[08:15] <nickrud> forsaker8k6,  ??
[08:15] <ups> SirFred: yes, on the wiki
[08:16] <Pluk> if the a21m has ati inside
[08:16] <foxiness> nickrud, thanks , for great tip , now am try  it
[08:16] <djm62> SirFred: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM
[08:16] <blueI> djm62, wow! That was a huge thread on the forum! I hope I can finish it until death. But as I agree to 'RTFM'+RTFforums, I will read them all!
[08:16] <SirFred> Pluk: This is not that new. It has a mach64 mobility card.
[08:16] <SirFred> djm62: Thanks.
[08:16] <forsaker8k6> nickrud: i say i ran sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
[08:16] <djm62> blueI: it's not as simple as "swap==slow" (surprised me, since I'm non-CS)
[08:16] <forsaker8k6> but you saw the effect
[08:17] <pagefault> hibernation does with work the fglrx with some hackery to your rc scripts :)
[08:17] <nickrud> forsaker8k6, your dvd is on hda?
[08:17] <pagefault> I find hibernation almost useless though
[08:17] <Raskall> What is a good company name for a firm selling ubuntu servers to small and medium size businesses?
[08:17] <pagefault> it almost takes the same amount of time to do a cold boot
[08:17] <djm62> forsaker8k6: I ran a setup like that...did you build yourself?
[08:17] <forsaker8k6> yep... ls -l /dev/dvd -> hda
[08:17] <pagefault> than it does to come back from hibernation
[08:18] <forsaker8k6> (just a moment the phone :P )
[08:18] <hobocop> a company name eh
[08:18] <djm62> pagefault: if you're compiling mozilla, and running out of battery near the end...but it is too slow
[08:18] <hobocop> the first question I have seen that I can contribute to lmao
[08:18] <pagefault> djm62, hmm maybe
[08:18] <Raskall> hobocop: :)
[08:19] <flodine> someone help with teamspeak
[08:19] <flodine> anyone use it
[08:19] <pagefault> plus the ipw2200 drivers that ubuntu hoary shipped with hate hibernation mode
[08:19] <pagefault> :)
[08:19] <djm62> pagefault: that was from personal experience :-/ definitely an edge case
[08:19] <hobocop> though the hibernate issue I thought worked fine with enabling acpi controls
[08:19] <acidburn> hello people, rise and shine
[08:19] <acidburn> ;)
[08:19] <hobocop> I mean it did on my laptop
[08:19] <hobocop> I didnt have to config anything
[08:20] <djm62> flodine: I don't use it...and it looks like nobody here does: does it have an irc channel of its own?
[08:20] <hobocop> I use it
[08:20] <hobocop> not on linux yet
[08:20] <Raskall> hobocop: I have to get a new job from august on and want to start a company that sells ubuntu servers and service for file/print, mail and web to small and medium size firms. I am trying to make some promo information in scribus now.
[08:20] <hobocop> cool
[08:21] <hobocop> very cool
[08:21] <djm62> Raskall: Freeserve ;)
[08:21] <xris> does ubuntu/debian have an install system like redhat's kickstart that would allow for preconfigured semi-automated installs (from pxe boot)?
[08:21] <foxiness> why ubuntu not include any front-ppp "any app for dail-up user?"
 I am not going to host anything. Want to sell installations for a fixed prize (maybe $500) and then remote manage their systems for a fixed prize, say 150-200 dollars a month.
[08:22] <hobocop> :)
[08:22] <forsaker8k6> oi i'm back :P
[08:22] <kev__> hobocop, killall gnome-panel
[08:22] <hobocop> thanks
[08:22] <djm62> foxiness: does menu: System->Administration->Networking help you?
[08:22] <forsaker8k6> i was sayng: i'm sure that my dvd is /dev/hda
[08:22] <kev__> hobocop, see http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[08:22] <hobocop> I had that on some ubuntu web page but couldnt find it again
[08:23] <forsaker8k6> so i can't explain the error i got
[08:23] <paul_> ok i have a compal cl56 and i followed the guide found here http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~krisvh/linux/cl56.html
[08:23] <paul_> to set up my ipw2200
[08:23] <hobocop> bookmark'D
[08:23] <djm62> Raskall: low-spec cups/samba servers?
[08:24] <acidburn> paul, RTFM
[08:24] <acidburn> j/k ;)
[08:24] <paul_> but when i do a mobprobe ipw2200 i get this error " FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) "
[08:24] <foxiness> djm62, , Wow amazing "am coming from the past , oh fc3 :)"
[08:25] <Raskall> djm62: yes, and postfix/amavisd-new/clamav/spamassassin mail servers for those who want. Or maybe host mail on my own server for them. Will assist in hooking them up to the net, registering domains and managing them.
[08:25] <forsaker8k6> mmmm.. if i run #sudo hdparm /dev/hda i get: (sorry for the annoing output)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6> /dev/hda:
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  unmaskirq    =  0 (off)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  keepsettings =  0 (off)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  readonly     =  0 (off)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  readahead    = 256 (on)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument
[08:26] <Choubaka> enable dma
[08:26] <foxiness> djm62, i think now my firend will happy with this "thanks"
[08:26] <djm62> flodine: that teamspeak support channel: #Teamspeak on uk.quakenet.org
[08:26] <Pluk> forsaker8k6, use #flood or http://nopaste.biz/ for long outputs
[08:26] <Raskall> djm62: and if they only have old and slow computers get them to buy a higher spec server and run terminal server (freenx)
[08:26] <Choubaka> hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[08:26] <forsaker8k6> yes Choubaka that was the problem
[08:26] <flodine> thxs
[08:26] <fantomette> hello, i've a kernel panic with Hoary. (pivot_root : no such file or directory ; /sbin/init : 428 : cannot open dev/console : no such file). Probably because i removed a harddisk from my computer. How can i solve this problem without reinstalling ?
[08:26] <forsaker8k6> ok sorry Pluk
[08:26] <paul_> so hobocop thats where im at, and im still at the point where i need  to be spoken to like i am forign
[08:27] <hobocop> hmm, doesnt ubuntu come with glib preinstalled?
[08:27] <Pluk> forsaker8k6, thats no problem
[08:27] <hobocop> ok paul I am a newbie myself
[08:27] <forsaker8k6> Choubaka: i can't activate it: it pops out an error
[08:27] <hobocop> but I will take a look
[08:27] <forsaker8k6> Choubaka: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[08:28] <djm62> Raskall: sounds like a good idea...are you experienced?  just choose a nonsense disyllable ;-)
[08:28] <hobocop> whoa you re not thunderclese from lws are you?
[08:28] <Raskall> djm62: have not decided to actually do it yet, but I will research the market and send out DM's to see if it is possible to earn money on it.
[08:29] <kev__> still having issues with a raid-1 setup for /home. i tried creating an appropriate /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf but then startup fails (i've read it's a known issue that device nodes are created before fsck is run). so i've removed the conf file, reboot, and find that /dev/md0 is comprised of the 2 proper drives (hda7 and hd1). but when i try to mount md0 it gives a fs-type error. ditto if i stop the raid device and mount either partition by hand. but i kn
[08:29] <kev__> ow the partitions are good as i can boot using a rescue cd and manually mount them... any thoughts?
[08:29] <Raskall> djm62: I am experienced with windows and have played with linux and integration of the two for as long as linux has existed.
[08:29] <flipy> hi
[08:29] <flipy> where can I get a list of available repositories?
[08:29] <Raskall> djm62: my problem is that I don't have any documented knowledge of linux.
[08:29] <hobocop> supositories
[08:30] <hobocop> :)
[08:30] <djm62> Raskall: I'm the same...although I've only used linux since 2.2
[08:30] <Raskall> djm62: ok. I made my first linux install in 1993.
[08:30] <forsaker8k6> mmm... i searche the web for the error about dma
[08:30] <flipy> so, where can i find some mirrors for the ubuntu respositories?
[08:30] <djm62> AceMan: feel free to talk in-channel rather than PMing me
[08:30] <forsaker8k6> and i found that maybe i have to compile my mob chipset support into the kenel: is it possible?
[08:31] <Zico> I installed Ubuntu, now when I restart computer, there is no boot manager to choose windows / ubuntu.. how can I activate boot manager?
[08:31] <nickrud> forsaker8k6, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-9285.html to start
[08:31] <AceMan> djm62: soz about that, was an accident. <shrinks back into dumb noobie lurker mode>  :)
[08:31] <djm62> forsaker8k6: but try to find out if there is a pre-compiled kernel without that problem...save the trouble
[08:32] <hobocop> yes welcome to the club aceman
[08:32] <kev__> even weirder, i can mount the device md0 only once. if i umount and then mount again, i get the fs type error... wtf?!
[08:32] <forsaker8k6> tank you nickrtud: don't know how to live without you :D
[08:32] <AceMan> thanks hobocop
[08:32] <djm62> AceMan: welcome...talking in channel is always good
[08:32] <hobocop> yes we will be linux gurus in a year or seven
[08:32] <hobocop> watch out
[08:32] <paul_> so nothing hobo?
[08:32] <forsaker8k6> noproblem djm62: i wold have recompiled my kernel anyway some day :D
[08:32] <hobocop> I am looking paul
[08:32] <hobocop> but not seeing a whole lot that I could do lmao
[08:32] <hobocop> sorry man
[08:32] <hobocop> I will keep looking
[08:32] <djm62> hobocop: the true master is someone that started before you did ^_^
[08:33] <paul_> oh ok sorry i am at work so my focus is elsewhere
[08:33] <forsaker8k6> i can't live without recompiling my kernel... gentoo teached me :P
[08:33] <hobocop> hey flipy
[08:33] <hobocop> SHUNNED :)
[08:33] <carlos-d-man> how may I see how much RAM is being used by a certain process?
[08:34] <djm62> Zico: menu: Applications->System Tools->GrubConf
[08:34] <fantomette> hello, i've a kernel panic with Hoary. (pivot_root : no such file or directory ; /sbin/init : 428 : cannot open dev/console : no such file). Probably because i removed a harddisk from my computer. How can i solve this problem without reinstalling ?
[08:34] <flipy> :/
[08:34] <djm62> (why is that not in System->Administration?)
[08:34] <xris> flipy: I feel your pain.
[08:35] <hobocop> no I am looking for you flippy
[08:35] <hobocop> harnessing the internet
[08:35] <flipy> oh thanks hobocop
[08:35] <flipy> i did some googleing
[08:35] <flipy> and found nothing
[08:35] <farruinn> fantomette: you don't have a B&W G3 mac do you?
[08:35] <Zico> no GrubConf under system tools :(
[08:35] <acidburn> fantomette, i had the same message after i tried to boot to a master drive after adding a slave that was the master on another computer
[08:35] <hobocop> did you already uncomment those two biggies in the sources.list file?
[08:35] <mcphail> Any idea why, since upgrading to hoary, I have a /dev/ and /.dev/ filesystem mounted? Bug or feature?
[08:35] <acidburn> i just had to change the jumpers
[08:36] <fantomette> farruinn : no, an Intel x86
[08:36] <djm62> carlos-d-man: menu: Applications->System Tools->System Monitor (processes tab)
[08:36] <paxmaster> someone one in freenode is try to breakin to my computer :) lol
[08:36] <flipy> hobocop what? i didn't change anything
[08:36] <hobocop> ok good
[08:36] <hobocop> I know two big ones you can do
[08:36] <hobocop> :)
[08:36] <flipy> ok :)
[08:36] <bluefoxicy> Can I burn a video CD from a .mov file in Linux that will play in a PS2?
[08:36] <hobocop> http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#repositories
[08:36] <hobocop> basically they are already on your computer
[08:36] <nickrud> mcphail: the .dev is the old hardwired one, the /dev is run by udev, it dynamically changes to match your hardware
[08:36] <hobocop> you just need to uncomment two lines, to let it read them
[08:36] <hobocop> :)
[08:36] <acidburn> fantomette: are all the jumpers correct?
[08:37] <djm62> Zico: oh...do you know how to use the package installer?
[08:37] <xris> so..  no ideas, anyone?  (does ubuntu/debian have an install system like redhat's kickstart that would allow for preconfigured semi-automated installs (from pxe boot)?)
[08:37] <fantomette> acidburn : i was reading your answer i wondering... first i try to be sure to understand :|
[08:37] <acidburn> lol
[08:38] <fantomette> acidburn : but i do my best ;)
[08:38] <djm62> bluefoxicy: you need "transcode" to convert the format: you can do it, but ISTR it's quite involved
[08:38] <nickrud> xris: I don't use them, but there's fai in debian
[08:38] <nickrud> fully automated install
[08:38] <bluefoxicy> djm62: find me something on it?
[08:38] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[08:38] <xris> nickrud: that might do it, thanks.  and ubuntu supports it, I assume/
[08:38] <Choubaka> forsaker8k6: maybe you haven't loaded the drivers for your chipset.
[08:39] <forsaker8k6> a question: where can I find a ubuntu  "default" .config file for the kernel?
[08:39] <djm62> bluefoxicy: my answer to that will be silence for decency's sake...google ubuntu transcode for starters
[08:39] <bluefoxicy> djm62:  also, transcode is not installable
[08:39] <bluefoxicy> but gtranscode is
[08:39] <Zico> Package grubconf is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, hase been obsolete, or is only available from another source
[08:39] <mcphail> nickrud: thanks
[08:39] <bluefoxicy> except it depends on transcode
[08:39] <nickrud> xris, ubuntu, i don't know
[08:39] <forsaker8k6> Choubaka: mmm... i'll have to find what module i need to load
[08:39] <carlos-d-man> thanks djm62
[08:39] <xris> nickrud: seems to.  thanks, that gives me somewhere to start looking.
[08:39] <djm62> Zico: What version are you running?
[08:40] <farruinn> forsaker8k6: should be right in /boot I thought
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> djm62:  what format od I need and what do I have to do to burn a vcd?  cdrecord.mmap -dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc -data foo.mpeg or something?
[08:40] <Zico> 5.04
[08:40] <Zico> I installed this today
[08:40] <Raskall> I will call my "product" SMUBUNTU Server (Small/Medium Ubuntu Server)
[08:40] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, check out "tovid"
[08:40] <pixil9> Can anyone point me to a howto/faq on nvidia drivers for 5.04?
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  there's no package in synaptic for 'tovid'
[08:41] <farruinn> pixil9: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDrivers maybe?
[08:41] <farruinn> pixil9: might be something useful on ubuntuguide.org too
[08:41] <meuserj|work> no.. it's new.. so you'll have to compile it.. but it is the best conversion tool I've found
[08:41] <Raskall> is there a web page with ubuntu clipart I can use in publications?
[08:41] <hobocop> yes Zico I am a veteran of ubuntu, almost 2 days installed
[08:41] <foxiness> can i watch "DVD/CD" on live-cd distro "ubuntu"?
[08:41] <forsaker8k6> farruinn: there's nothing in /boot
[08:41] <meuserj|work> http://tovid.sourceforge.net/
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  but what format do I need and what do I have to do to burn it to cd?  special options to cdrecord?
[08:41] <pixil9> ok
[08:41] <forsaker8k6> nothing .config i mean
[08:42] <Raskall> foxiness: with 2 cd/dvd drives it shouldn't be a problem.
[08:42] <raziir>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY ziggy77
[08:42] <Zico> I tried to install it with command: sudo apt-get install grubconf
[08:42] <farruinn> raziir: oops
[08:42] <raziir> :)
[08:42] <Zico> was it correct way?
[08:42] <raziir> nope ..
[08:42] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, you need mpeg2 format at a specific resolution, and audio bitrate.. I don't know the exact numbers.. I just use Tovid to figure it all out for me....
[08:42] <djm62> Zico: have you added universe and multiverse to your repositories?
[08:42] <foxiness> Raskall, great to hear that "but am on laptop" :)
[08:43] <hobocop> lool raziir
[08:43] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  ah
[08:43] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  alright, esay enough
[08:43] <Zico> haven't done those things yet... are you saying that it's not possible to configure boot loader after the basic install? :((
[08:43] <Raskall> foxiness: I have 2 optical drives on my laptop. :)
[08:43] <djm62> foxiness: ISTR MandrakeMove! does that, but I don't think the ubuntu liveCD can
[08:43] <pixil9> thx found it
[08:43] <jii> What is "laptop-mode" ?
[08:43] <Zico> I thought it's something that should be there to be able to get back to other OS
[08:43] <hobocop> you are able to Zico
[08:43] <foxiness> raziir good password
[08:43] <djm62> Zico: no...but it would be easier to use a graphical tool
[08:44] <Zico> shouldn't it make that bootloader automatically during install?
[08:44] <hobocop> do you even see when it says GRUB and then is passes to all the loading stuff
[08:44] <raziir> foxiness: yeah .. used for all crap .. :)
[08:44] <hobocop> because you can just press esc then
[08:44] <Zico> I pressed esc
[08:44] <hobocop> nothing?
[08:44] <Zico> but there is only Ubuntu
[08:44] <forsaker8k6> no idea on how to find a ubuntu .config "default" file, for linux kernel?
[08:45] <hobocop> ohohoh
[08:45] <Zico> and safe mode of ubuntu
[08:45] <hobocop> ouch
[08:45] <farruinn> fantomette: /boot/config-2.6.10*?
[08:45] <Zico> windows is on another hard drive
[08:45] <hobocop> I have ubuntu and windows on two seperate hard drives
[08:45] <fantomette> farruinn : what do you mean ? :)
[08:45] <hobocop> nonethless it gives me all the optionw
[08:45] <hobocop> s
[08:45] <djm62> Zico: so you see a boot menu, but with no windows?
[08:45] <paul_> thanks hobo but i gotta run
[08:45] <forsaker8k6> farruin: nothing like that in /boot
[08:45] <Zico> but because windows HD is big, I had to use some special software to make HD visible on this old computer
[08:45] <hobocop> ya sorry paul
[08:46] <hobocop> oh
[08:46] <farruinn> fantomette: oops, sorry :)
[08:46] <hobocop> hm
[08:46] <Zico> yes, when I press ESC then it gives 3 possibilities
[08:46] <Zico> none of them is Windows
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  i can't build tovid
[08:46] <foxiness> Raskall, djm62 , for than i will download "install one tomorrow" its good distro its need more tried i think
[08:46] <nickrud> forsaker8k6, I've got config-2.6.10-5-386 in my /boot
[08:46] <tbird> should be like /boot/config-2.6.10-5-386
[08:46] <forsaker8k6> farruin: damn me! yes there is one :D
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> transcode:
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> [08:46] <bluefoxicy> The transcode package was not found. This package is used for
[08:46] <hobocop> and you of course checked the other menu option
[08:46] <forsaker8k6> i'm just blind :D
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  transcode is not installable
[08:46] <fantomette> farruinn : i'm sorry, i don't understand :)
[08:46] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, you need to add the marillat sources....
[08:47] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  source?
[08:47] <nickrud> bluefoxicy, search for nerim.net, that's the marillat repositories, it's on a wiki somewhere
[08:47] <djm62> Zico: does ubuntu see your windows drive once it loads?
[08:47] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, just a sec.. looking for wiki
[08:47] <foxiness> can i ask "stupid Q" as ubuntu "rpm or deb "
[08:47] <Zico> so.. I take it as installation of Ubuntu fucked up windows boot sector or something?
[08:47] <Zico> I'll try
[08:47] <Zico> now I try to disable Linux HD on BIOS
[08:48] <Zico> if it gets me windows directly
[08:48] <farruinn> Zico: you have to enable windows in your grub config file
[08:48] <bluefoxicy> libdvdcss as well is not available
[08:48] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, look at section 2.2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/view
[08:48] <nickrud> bluefoxicy, marillat again :)
[08:48] <fateisajester> does ubuntu really ship you cds for free?
[08:48] <farruinn> fateisajester: sure does
[08:48] <hobocop> yes
[08:48] <acidburn> foxiness, its deb
[08:48] <acidburn> being based on debian
[08:48] <djm62> fateisajester: yep
[08:48] <dcooper> takes a bit
[08:48] <dcooper> but yeah
[08:48] <fateisajester> wow
[08:49] <nickrud> fateisajester, they prefer to ship in lots of 10 :)
[08:49] <hobocop> well the guy made 540 million dollars
[08:49] <fateisajester> what a cool company
[08:49] <dcooper> does anyone have experience with the netgear wg311t as the wiki says it works out of the box, but doesnt seem 2 be happening for my hoary install
[08:49] <Zico> how can I see grub config file?
[08:49] <tbird> Zico, you need something like this in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:49] <tbird> title           Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[08:49] <tbird> root            (hd0,0)
[08:49] <tbird> savedefault
[08:49] <tbird> makeactive
[08:49] <tbird> chainloader     +1
[08:49] <djm62> Zico: emacs /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:49] <tbird> Zico, you need to change root            (hd0,0) to what yours is
[08:49] <mishof> Anyone ever tried to compile the acecad driver under ubuntu ? it gives me errors :(
[08:49] <farruinn> you may not want the savedefault in there, no?
[08:49] <forsaker8k6> mmm.. sorry if i ask another question: bat why apt can't find the ncurses-devel package?
[08:49] <forsaker8k6> but*
[08:49] <djm62> Zico: sudo emacs /boot/grub/menu.lst if you want to edit it
[08:50] <foxiness> acidburn, thanks , when i wrote "rpm" i found it ?
[08:50] <meuserj|work> forsaker8k6, libncurses5-dev is probably what you want
[08:50] <djm62> (but as you're finding out...you want to be sure of getting it right)
[08:50] <forsaker8k6> thank you meuserj|work
[08:50] <acidburn> foxiness, when you wrote it where?
[08:50] <meuserj|work> forsaker8k6, np
[08:50] <hobocop> ok I may be retarded, but doesnt ubuntu come with a ftp client?
[08:50] <mishof> can someone help me by trying to compile something ? (really short compilation, like 2 sec)
[08:50] <foxiness> acidburn, on shell :)
[08:51] <pagefault> hobocop, sudo apt-get install gftp if you want a graphical one
[08:51] <nickrud> hobocop, gftp
[08:51] <Burgundavia_> hobocop, not by default
[08:51] <hobocop> amazing
[08:51] <yfir> hobocop: ofcourse, but you might want gftp if you need something graphical
[08:51] <hobocop> thanks guys and gals
[08:51] <acidburn> foxiness: it has a package called rpm, but it's there just to point you to alien
[08:51] <grumpysmurf> ubuntuuuuuuuuu!  i like chocolate.
[08:51] <JDahl> mishof, what do you need to compile?
[08:51] <nickrud> there's always lftp :)
[08:51] <Burgundavia_> hobocop, ftp on the cli
[08:51] <pagefault> or you could use nautilus :)
[08:51] <bluefoxicy> gtranscode:
[08:51] <bluefoxicy>  Depends: transcode  but it is not installable
[08:51] <foxiness> haha
[08:51] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work: with the mariamta thing sources
[08:51] <djm62> true...nautilus
[08:51] <bluefoxicy> marillat
[08:51] <mishof> JDahl, hi, its a driver for my acecad tablet, and it gives me errors while compiling ...
[08:51] <yfir> yeah, nautilus works i guess. forgot about that
[08:52] <hobocop> lol
[08:52] <JDahl> mishof, cant help you with that
[08:52] <nickrud> nautilus? how's that work
[08:52] <djm62> damned integration ;)
[08:52] <pagefault> in the location just put ftp://somesite.com
[08:52] <foxiness> acidburn, thanks for your great info
[08:52] <djm62> nickrud: menu: Places->Connect to Server
[08:52] <pagefault> or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:52] <pagefault> same thing for sftp://
[08:52] <acidburn> foxiness: np
[08:52] <fateisajester> 1 quick question... does anyone know how the radeon 7000 performs with this distro?
[08:52] <djm62> I use it to keep my webspace up to date via sftp
[08:53] <mishof> JDahl, the weird thing is - there is a part in the code that does "if linux version < 2.6 then " and my kernel is greater than 2.6 and yet it goes there, if i remove that code it compiles. any ideas ?
[08:53] <pagefault> I like the built in sftp support, you can open files like it was a network drive so you can stream them through totem or whatever
[08:53] <nickrud> integration :)
[08:53] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  transcode just doesn't exist :/
[08:53] <foxiness> i c on ubuntu "nautilus" if i open it , it take great place "first 3 one" is this gnome2.1 or ubuntu work ?
[08:53] <JDahl> mishof, that's probably too specific to get help from here, when we cannot try the compilation ourselves
[08:53] <Zico> sudo: emacs: command not found
[08:54] <djm62> Zico: oh, sorry: use gedit in place of emacs
[08:54] <mishof> JDahl, you can try compiling yourself, it only creates an .o file
[08:54] <pagefault> fateisajester, I have a friend with a 7000 IGP, it performs as well as windows
[08:54] <bluefoxicy> it's not in debian sid on alioth, not in breezy, not in    deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main -.-
[08:54] <grumpysmurf> use vi instead of emacs, gedit or nano.
[08:55] <fateisajester> ok...cool. thx
[08:55] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, I could have sworn transcode was in marillat... have you enabled "universe" and "multiverse"
[08:55] <nickrud> grumpysmurf, vim!
[08:55] <pagefault> fateisajester, just don't expect to play something like UT2004 on it :)
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  yes, but only 3 packages from openoffice.org2 are available too so :/
[08:55] <yfir> haha, a vim vs. vi flamewar??
[08:55] <grumpysmurf> its not as 'intuitive' for new users, but its installed on every unix known to man.  except for those weirdos that install their gentoo with only emacs ><
[08:55] <BSDNoob> Does anyone also has problems with the crypto tutorial for encrypted disks? I always get error: Wrong Parameter
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  the repositories here are full of holes.
[08:55] <grumpysmurf> nickrud, sure.
[08:55] <n0xis> sonar
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  they released without finishing up all issues on all platforms >/
[08:55] <grumpysmurf> nickrud, vi is an alias for vim on my system :)
[08:56] <foxiness> can i ask somthing whay ubuntu do not have GUI install "like anaconda"
[08:56] <nickrud> grumpysmurf, darn, I though we could have a internal struggle before returning to the war with emacs.
[08:56] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, transcode is in multiverse....
[08:56] <yfir> vim is a good candidate for "best software ever"
[08:56] <grumpysmurf> foxiness i believe that was in the about ubuntu or faq or something, i read it this weekend.
[08:56] <grumpysmurf> i hate emacs.
[08:56] <grumpysmurf> :)
[08:56] <dcooper> hehe
[08:56] <dcooper> me 2
[08:56] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work: Package transcode is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:57] <djm62> does vi bring up a menu-enabled version when you run it in X?
[08:57] <foxiness> grumpysmurf, thanks for your weekend tip ;)
[08:57] <Zico> ok, I think I altered menu.lst correctly, now I try
[08:57] <jason> djm62: yes, install vim-gnome
[08:57] <yfir> djm62: gvim is version for taht
[08:57] <grumpysmurf> there's gvim, which is a fancy gui for vim.
[08:57] <hor> djm62: gvim does for example
[08:57] <meuserj|work> well crap... sorry.. I installed it a long time ago.. appearantly before they took it back out..
[08:57] <tbird> bluefoxicy, just find a rpm for it and use alien to create a .deb
[08:57] <grumpysmurf> foxiness, i'd get a link for you but a) you can find it in the search easily enough and b) my browser is full of design document tabs.
[08:58] <VVeIrD>
[08:58] <djm62> but, if you did sudo vi /etc/junk...would it be an inscrutable window?
[08:58] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  they released hoary without actually building half of it for amd64 or something.  A lot of the stuff I used on the 586 is half-installable here
[08:58] <yfir> djm62: it would be a terminal, yes
[08:58] <dcraven> djm62, you could always try it.
[08:58] <bluefoxicy> tbird:  you can't find 64 bit rpms of anything either.
[08:59] <tbird> bluefoxicy, yeah i know
[08:59] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, yeah.. I noticed.. I run amd64 too.  you can try building from source (apt-get build-dep <packagename>;apt-get --build source <packagename>)
[08:59] <djm62> dcraven: yeah, yeah...just interested :-/
[08:59] <grumpysmurf> i haven't destroyed a box by recompiling the kernel.  however, i have managed to mangle a box from installing a kernel...
[08:59] <yfir> djm62: if you must have a graphical interface with your editor, vim might not be the best choice anyway
[08:59] <grumpysmurf> "ooops, didn't include IDE support that time"
[08:59] <grumpysmurf> yfir indeed
[08:59] <yfir> djm62: but if you like to work fast and put some time into learning it, vim can't be beat
[08:59] <Zico> djm62 and others: thanks, now i'm able to get to windows again =)
[08:59] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  most people run amd64 these days I think; #gentoo-amd64 has 200+ people in it
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> and amd64 machines are cheap
[09:00] <djp> how do you achieve the transparent windows etc in hoary?
[09:00] <djm62> yfir: obviously not for me...but if I'm telling someone here to edit a file...needs to be obvious
[09:00] <mishof> 2 Questions: How can i check my kernel version, and what package contains the kernel source ?
[09:00] <dcooper> uname -a
[09:00] <GhostNr1> When you should install something with apt-get install <package name> and it is dependent on another lib, and that lib is to new (Python 2.4 is installed but it need 2.3) can you say that it should install 2.3 in some way?
[09:00] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, amd64 is little more then a niche, certainly not used by most of the people
[09:00] <grumpysmurf> bluefoxicy, you'd think with that kind of userbase there'd be an amd64 flash plugin.
[09:00] <meuserj|work> mishof, uname -a will tell you what kernel you are runnint
[09:00] <yfir> djm62: I think 'gedit' is a pretty safe bet when giving advice :)
[09:00] <grumpysmurf> but indeed, it is far from taking the majority of market share.
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> grumpysmurf:  eh, macromedia responded to an e-mail with that with "that sounds like a very good idea" a year ago
[09:00] <bodyman> hi
[09:00] <meuserj|work> djm62, or nano
[09:01] <djm62> yfir: yeah...that's what I meant to say, but "emacs" falls under my fingers for some reason ;)
[09:01] <dcooper> i like nano and pico
[09:01] <nickrud> bluefoxicy, it's so busy because they need so many workarounds :)
[09:01] <foxiness> thank you grumpysmurf for your help , now i must go "i need to watch me DVD" on old distro i have "b this live-cd" THANKS 4 every one help me
[09:01] <grumpysmurf> bluefoxicy, and a year later where are we?  no strongbad on amd64.
[09:01] <mishof> meuserj|work, thanks:) now how can i download the package with the source?
[09:01] <foxiness> b4n
[09:01] <grumpysmurf> foxiness, np, glad i could help, no matter how vague my advice was :)
[09:01] <Seveas> GhostNr1, that depends on the lib
[09:01] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  there are at least 2 people in any irc channel I'm in that have amd64, and it's only that low because most of the channels I'm in are furry channels
[09:01] <yfir> dcooper: i don't know. if someone only used to Windows opens up nano, they'll be pretty freaked out :)
[09:01] <GhostNr1> Seveas > python
[09:01] <dcooper> anyone have experience with the netgear wg311t card?
[09:02] <meuserj|work> mishof, apt-get install linux-source-X.Y.ZZ
[09:02] <hobocop> no stongbad :'(
[09:02] <bodyman> i'm using the hoarty livecd for trying to repair a faulty debian unstable lilo. Is it possible to cross-install a grub package with a livecdM
[09:02] <meuserj|work> will put a tarball in /usr/src/
[09:02] <dedinje> how do I edit Grub so my Windows partition is the one that loads by default?
[09:02] <foxiness> grumpysmurf, dont say that you "just do your best" realy
[09:02] <Seveas> GhostNr1, if the package depends on python2.3 it will install python2.3, if it depends on python explicitely at 2.3 or less, it will refuse to install or want to uninstall python 2.4
[09:02] <bodyman> Sorry for the M, my keyboard is broken...
[09:02] <bluefoxicy> E: Unable to find a source package for transcode
[09:02] <grumpysmurf> bodyman you can chroot a shell in the target filesystem and run lilo/grub from there.
[09:03] <djm62> yfir: true...especially since "^" is not standard english for ctrl-key
[09:03] <djp> does anyone know how you achieve transparent windows look and feel in hoary?
[09:03] <bluefoxicy> bah fuck this.
[09:03] <grumpysmurf> djp generally from a window manager that supports transparency, or apps that do.
[09:03] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, don't forget the non-irc-using majority...
[09:03] <bodyman> thanls grumpysmurf!
[09:03] <joosep> hi
[09:03] <SirFred> I have a problem with my wireless.
[09:03] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  anyone without irc doens't count
[09:03] <nickrud> bodyman, if you search for lilo heaven, you'll find a good walkthrouh
[09:03] <SirFred> DOn't know if its ubuntu related.
[09:03] <joosep> i'm having trouble compiling my kernel under ubuntu
[09:03] <djm62> dedinje: change the "default" line at the start...numbering starts at zero
[09:03] <mishof> meuserj|work, thanks :-
[09:03] <Seveas> right...
[09:03] <SirFred> Apr 18 07:41:25 localhost kernel: eth0: New link status: Disconnected (0002)
[09:03] <SirFred> Apr 18 07:41:27 localhost kernel: eth0: New link status: Connected (0001)
[09:03] <SirFred> Apr 18 07:51:25 localhost kernel: eth0: New link status: Disconnected (0002)
[09:04] <bluefoxicy> SirFred:  broadcom chips don't work
[09:04] <SirFred> Some times I have those logs.
[09:04] <joosep> it gives me a heap of warnings and finally stops at acpi
[09:04] <djp> grumpysmurf: i gather that is not the default windows manager in hoary, right?
[09:04] <SirFred> And lost connection for a couple of seconds or so.
[09:04] <Seveas> SirFred, which card/chip and which authentication?
[09:04] <GhostNr1> Seveas > okej, well python 2.4 is used by other programs so I don't think it will remove that one, but it say (dependence: python (<2.4) but 2.4.1....... will be installed
[09:04] <joosep> i'm trying to compile it because i need fbsplash
[09:05] <Seveas> yeah, GhostNr1 this kind of dependency will NOT install or want to uninstall Py2.3
[09:05] <SirFred> Seveas: orinoco using WEP/64bits.
[09:05] <SirFred> Seveas: Driver is 0.13e
[09:05] <djm62> djp: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769
[09:05] <djm62> djp: in case you haven't seen that yet
[09:06] <GhostNr1> Seveas > Okej, can I fix this in some way?
[09:06] <SirFred> On starting the network it also says:
[09:06] <Seveas> SirFred, any indication from access point logfiles on what went wrong?
[09:06] <SirFred> eth0: Error -110 setting multicast list.
[09:06] <joosep> i'm pretty sure it's some sort of linux-header problem
[09:06] <djp> djm62: thanks for that
[09:06] <Seveas> GhostNr1, not likely, isn't there a py2.4 version of that library?
[09:06] <joosep> but i can't quite solve it
[09:06] <SirFred> Seveas: My access point is not able of those features, I think.
[09:06] <kkathman> if anyone has experience with wine and the msi loader I could use a little help
[09:07] <GhostNr1> Seveas > the program (freevo) use py 2.3 and not 2.4
[09:07] <Seveas> GhostFreeman, from which repository did you download it?
[09:07] <Seveas> SirFred, are the loglines you pasted the only loglines about the error?
[09:07] <SirFred> Seveas: Yes, the only ones I've found.
[09:07] <GhostNr1> Seveas > and it's when I try to install it via apt-get install I get the error
[09:08] <Seveas> SirFred, then sorry, don't know how to help you...
[09:08] <Seveas> GhostNr1, from which repository does it download it, ubuntu?
[09:08] <SirFred> Seveas: Thanks anyway.
[09:09] <GhostNr1> Seveas > http://freevo.sourceforge.net/debian unstable main
[09:11] <Seveas> GhostNr1, sounds like you cannot install freevo until the freevo devs solve the Py2.4 issues
[09:11] <GhostNr1> Seveas > okej
[09:11] <zao_> hi, i just installed ubuntu on my amd64 (nforce3 i think, mis k8n neo2). anyway: it is dead slow, way slower then debian i had before, and with debian i had only the kernel 64bit, not the userspace.
[09:12] <zao_> so .. anyone could _guess_ (i know, i know) what this is?
[09:12] <Seveas> zao_, did you install an amd64 kernel?
[09:12] <beggar> is there anyway to have presentation image in gaim (protocol MSN)?
[09:12] <Seveas> beggar, yes
[09:12] <djp> djm62: ...think i'll forget about that for now! thanks for the link. quite a bit of dicking about involved
[09:12] <beggar> how?
[09:12] <zao_> seveas:  2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[09:13] <zao_> so, yes. that was my first guess also, b/c it is comparable in speed now with an 32bit kernel i had running sojme time ago
[09:13] <djm62> beggar: Accounts->modify then change the "buddy icon" (load whatever file you want)
[09:13] <Seveas> beggar, tools->accounts
[09:13] <Seveas> select account, click modify
[09:13] <Seveas> the rest shows itself :)
[09:13] <dcooper> ive been struggling with wlan for a bit, have a new card and trying 2 install the madwifi drivers, when i do, i get this....can anyone give me some guidance?
[09:13] <dcooper>  make
[09:13] <dcooper> Checking if all requirements are met... ok.
[09:13] <dcooper> mkdir -p ./symbols
[09:13] <dcooper> for i in ./ath_hal ath_rate/onoe ./net80211 ./ath; do \
[09:13] <dcooper>         (cd $i; make) || exit 1; \
[09:13] <dcooper> done
[09:13] <dcooper> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/dcooper/madwifi/ath_hal'
[09:13] <zao_> for example: esd sometimes hang, when i have multiple tabs open in browser.
[09:13] <dcooper> uudecode ./../hal/public/i386-elf.hal.o.uu
[09:13] <dcooper> make[1] : uudecode: Command not found
[09:13] <dcooper> make[1] : *** [hal.o]  Error 127
[09:13] <dcooper> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/dcooper/madwifi/ath_hal'
[09:13] <dcooper> make: *** [all]  Error 1
[09:13] <Seveas> dcooper, CUT IT OUT
[09:13] <djm62> except that "buddy icon" is synonymous with avatar etc
[09:14] <Seveas> no pasting here!!
[09:14] <hobocop> lol
[09:14] <zao_> does one have to tune s/t for nforce?
[09:14] <beggar> tks Seveas , how can i be so stupid... :P
[09:14] <djm62> dcooper: pastes like that in #flood
[09:14] <dcooper> apologies
[09:14] <dcooper> but im going fukg crazy
[09:14] <Seveas> dcooper, madwifi drivers are standard in ubuntu
[09:14] <hobocop> one quick question: I am editing start up program via system>sessions and was wondering how to get the terminal up
[09:14] <farruinn> pasting makes everyone else crazy though
[09:14] <Seveas> you do not need to compile them