 I have that lappy too!"
[02:42] <swiss> "Don't worry, you just need to run this script and everything works again without spending money!"
[02:42] <SonikkuAmerica> I was almost gonna buy 1
[04:08] <Uallas> Good Morning
[07:25] <darkxst> parin, hi
[07:25] <parin> darkxst: hey
[07:25] <parin> darkxst: I read your mails
[07:25] <darkxst> about to email you some patches
[07:26] <parin> darkxst: okay
[07:34] <darkxst> parin, they should build the displayconfig independtly of mutter (although still in the mutter tree)
[07:35] <parin> darkxst: I'll apply the patch and I'll see how it works today
[07:36] <darkxst> though not tested yet other that build...
[07:36] <darkxst> ^than
[07:36] <darkxst> next step is to add code in main.c to actually initialize and load the interface.
[07:52] <parin> darkxst: meta_monitor_manager_class_init() does that. I'll add it to main.c
[07:53] <darkxst> parin, yeh. was just trying to get you unstuck ;)
[08:08] <darkxst> parin, obviously you will atleast need to add a mainloop to it so it keeps running also!
[12:28] <cyberalex4life> Hello!
[12:29] <cyberalex4life> does anyone know how to read/write/change config file values?
[12:30] <cyberalex4life> from command line
[12:36] <parin> darkxst: I added meta_monitor_manager_initialize() to main.c . On running the executable I get this error - Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_display_get_xdisplay: assertion 'GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed
[12:44] <parin> darkxst: GDK_DISPLAY_XDISPLAY is failing
[12:44] <parin> shows the above error and exits with a segfault
[14:00] <parin> darkxst: this is happening because gdk_display_get_default() is returning null
[14:46] <parin> darkxst: funny, mutter uses the same GDK_DISPLAY_XDISPLAY (gdk_display_get_default ()); in meta_ui_get_display in core/ui.c, but it doesn't face the problem
[14:48] <parin> i changed that code of our displayconfig directory to XOpenDisplay(NULL), and it doesn't return NULL anymore, but I'm still getting segfaults
[21:19] <robert_ancell> darkxst, online?
[21:20] <darkxst> robert_ancell, hi
[21:21] <robert_ancell> darkxst, hey, I'm working on the unity-control-center fork (going through MIR now). The next step will be to upload a unpatched version of gnome-control-center.
[21:21] <robert_ancell> I've tested with lp:~robert-ancell/gnome-control-center/vanilla - can you have a look at it and see if that will work for you guys?
[21:22] <robert_ancell> It's 3.8.6
[21:22] <robert_ancell> (or who else should look at this)
[21:22] <robert_ancell> I'm assuming long-term g-c-c will be maintained by the Ubuntu GNOME team and will move from main to universe
[21:23] <robert_ancell> In particular I'm not sure if you will want some of the existing patches, or to move closer to Debian
[21:24] <darkxst> yes I was going to look at that, we have an existing 3.8 package on gnome3/saucy, which has some patches we would probably keep, like external panel support
[21:25] <robert_ancell> darkxst, would you prefer to do the upload when the time is ready?
[21:26] <robert_ancell> I can do a smaller upload which works with the new u-c-c
[21:34] <darkxst> when are you planning to upload?
[21:36] <robert_ancell> darkxst, once u-c-c is in main
[21:36] <robert_ancell> probably next week
[21:37] <robert_ancell> darkxst, which external panels do you use? Because u-c-c has a different library name so we'll have to compile panels for both if we want that
[21:38] <darkxst> deja-dup
[21:38] <darkxst> gufw if installed
[21:39] <darkxst> maybe ubuntu one I think
[21:39] <robert_ancell> activity-log-manager?
[21:40] <robert_ancell> Does GNOME have a solution for backup yet in control center yet?
[21:40] <robert_ancell> minus one yet there :)
[21:42] <darkxst> no we don't show activity-log-manager
[21:43] <darkxst> no they don't have any backup yet
[21:45] <darkxst> I think we also show ubuntu online accounts (if installed)
[21:46] <robert_ancell> darkxst, do you need the online accounts?
[21:47] <darkxst> there are certainly people that use it
[21:47] <darkxst> since it supports a different set of apps compared to GOA
[21:49] <robert_ancell> we'll have to see what those upstreams want to do I guess
[21:49] <robert_ancell> unfortunately it doesn't seem easy/possible to run u-c-c from inside GNOME or vica versa without the icons showing up in both
[21:52] <darkxst> oh right, because of the desktop files
[21:52] <robert_ancell> yeah, it's a really out-of-date solution
[21:53] <darkxst> hacky, but could override XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP when launching?
[21:54] <darkxst> although probably won't help the desktop files will it...
[21:56] <darkxst> although It would be possible to patch the  loader again
[21:56] <darkxst> you will need the following patches from gnome3/saucy g-c-c:
[21:56] <darkxst> 52_region_language.patch
[21:56] <darkxst> 64_restore_terminal_keyboard_shortcut.patch
[21:57] <darkxst> maybe 92_ubuntu_system_proxy.patch?
[21:57] <darkxst> 99_add_lock-on-suspend.patch
[21:59] <darkxst> 98_default_sound_theme.patch
[22:08] <darkxst> git_*
[22:09] <darkxst> revert_* except ibus patch
[22:10] <darkxst> ubuntu_external_panels.patch
[22:11] <darkxst> and the 2 ubuntu_region patches
[22:18] <darkxst> deal_with_null_ssid.patch
[22:18] <darkxst> dont_download_local_image.patch
[22:31] <darkxst> robert_ancell, will g-s-d be forked also this cycle?
[22:31] <robert_ancell> darkxst, that's the plan, it seems a little bit harder though
[22:31] <robert_ancell> I have it working locally, needs some cleaning up
[22:34] <darkxst> ok cool
[22:34] <robert_ancell> darkxst, what version of g-s-d/g-c-c do you guys prefer for 14.04?
[22:35] <darkxst> hoping to get 3.10 in
[22:35] <robert_ancell> cool
[22:35] <darkxst> however that needs the gnome-desktop3 update
[22:35] <robert_ancell> I haven't looked at that (yet) - do you think we can patch that to run both unity and gnome 3.10?
[22:37] <darkxst> yes, I am working to split out the display Config interface (which is the main issue)
[22:37] <darkxst> not sure where to put it though, it can't go in Unity because of the CLA
[22:37] <darkxst> and beside other DE's that use g-s-d will need it also
[22:38] <darkxst> (display config dbus interface from mutter)
[22:38] <robert_ancell> yay for the CLA
[22:38] <robert_ancell> it can go into a new library I guess
[22:39] <robert_ancell> how complex is it?
[22:39] <darkxst> not very, it just a bunch of xrandr calls, that are abstracted behind the dbus interface
[22:40] <darkxst> pretty much self-contained, i.e. no real dependency on mutter itself
[22:42] <darkxst> I think it ended up in mutter, since that is the first library in the stack that is forked for wayland
[22:42] <darkxst> gnome-desktop no longer has any dependency on direct X/Wayland calls
[22:46] <robert_ancell> it makes sense in mutter, with the window manager becoming a compositor it is the appropriate place to request all graphical information from
[22:51] <darkxst> yeh


[18:17] <eager> hi all, I'd like to get rid of all chinese locale
[18:17] <eager> where can I erase CHINESE locale's dictionaries?
[18:17] <eager> keyboard layout settings is buggy, but as a workaround I'd like to purge chinese dictionaries, so that it falls back to English
[21:33] <darkxst> jbicha, I think ubuntuone-client-gnome should depend on ubuntuone-control-panel-qt


[00:10] <ubper> hi
[00:11] <ubper> anyone that helps me on TCOS? (if is possible, speak in spanish, thanks)


[13:20] <posso> Hi
[21:50] <vinnie> testing this thing
[21:50] <vinnie> anybody here?
[21:51] <vinnie> wait im in the wrong place oops


[04:55] <hikiko> hello
[05:35] <pitti> Good morning
[06:51] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:51] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[06:52] <seb128> salut pitti, ça va bien ?
[06:52] <pitti> seb128: oui, mais trop de pluie (depuis vendredi..); et toi ?
[06:52] <seb128> ça va bien !
[06:52] <seb128> c'est utile de la pluie, le sol était trop sec
[06:57] <pitti> yeah, but 4 days of uninterrupted rain is getting depressing
[06:57] <pitti> actually it *just* stopped now! \o/
[06:58] <pitti> je peux voir un peu bleu dans la ciel !
[07:57] <willcooke> morning all
[07:58] <hikiko> morning willcooke :)
[07:59] <handsome_feng> Morning ! :)
[08:00] <seb128> hey willcooke hikiko handsome_feng
[08:01] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[08:01] <seb128> hey TheMuso
[08:02] <hikiko> hi seb128 TheMuso seb128
[08:05] <Laney> argh
[08:05] <pitti> hey TheMuso
[08:06] <pitti> morning Laney, how are you?
[08:06] <pitti> are your ribs getting better?
[08:06] <Laney> just been cleaning cat mess off the doorstep :@
[08:06] <Laney> AND I pressed print screen by mistake and it's hung my laptop...
[08:06] <Laney> ribs seem better though and I'm generally okay; thanks!
[08:07] <Laney> how are you?
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:07] <pitti> Laney: quite well, thanks; I can *finally* see some blue sky and a hint of sun after 4 days of uninterrupted rain \o/
[08:08] <seb128> Laney, so you got a cat? or just one from the neighbour visiting?
[08:08] <Laney> pitti: garden's going to look *great*
[08:08] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:08] <pitti> Laney: oh, what did you do?
[08:08] <Laney> just some random cat
[08:08] <Laney> pitti: I mean yours after that much watering :)
[08:08] <pitti> we have about a dozen neighbor cats, and whichever is the alpha cat du jour tends to leave their markings in our garden
[08:08] <Laney> seb128: how's it going?
[08:09] <pitti> ugly step-on mines those!
[08:09] <seb128> Laney, good! sunny but with 19°C, much better than 30°C ;-)
[08:09] <pitti> Laney: oh, heh yes -- I didn't have to water myself indeed :)
[08:09] <Laney> haha
[08:09] <seb128> though having some difficulties to feel awake this morning, working on it with coffee
[08:09] <Laney> this was like - open the door, luckily look down instead of just stepping straight out, "oh, a present, how nice"
[08:09]  * Laney powers off laptop :(
[08:10] <seb128> the screenshot froze it for good?
[08:10] <seb128> did you sit on the key (and even that shouldn't DoS the system nowadays)
[08:10] <Laney> killed dead nada
[08:10] <Laney> couldn't ssh to it
[08:10] <seb128> weird
[08:10] <pitti> the key doesn't say "FreezeScr"?
[08:10] <pitti> wow
[08:10] <pitti> not even ssh? harsh
[08:11]  * Laney tries again
[08:11] <pitti> so not even just the "usual" graphic card messup
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: it's gtk bug!
[08:11] <pitti> OMG, I screwed that up
[08:11] <Laney> meh, worked that time
[08:11] <pitti> itz gtk bug!
[08:11] <Laney> haha
[08:11] <Laney> that's some gtk bug
[08:12] <Laney> - crashthesystem();
[08:12] <pitti> *clearly* from the changed theming engine
[08:13] <Laney> screenshot { crash: true; }
[08:13] <pitti> Laney: still anything in journalctl -b -1 (or syslog) by chance?
[08:13]  * Laney looks
[08:13] <pitti> I suppose not if it crashed that hard
[08:13] <Laney> no persistent journal of course
[08:13]  * Laney turns that on
[08:14] <pitti> well, if it makes it that far, then rsyslog hopefully still survived a bit too -- nothing in syslog?
[08:15] <pitti> Laney: oh, you physically powered off, not even SysRq worked any more?
[08:15] <pitti> then there's no hope of logging indeed
[08:16] <Laney> Sep 20 09:04:40 nightingale systemd[8967]: Reached target Timers.
[08:16] <Laney> Sep 20 09:10:00 nightingale rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="8.16.0" x-pid="1152" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] start
[08:17] <Laney> you know, I don't actually know how to sysrq on that machine
[08:17] <Laney> is it fn + print screen?
[08:17] <pitti> Alt+PrintScr here
[08:20] <Laney> indeed!
[08:20] <Laney> I thought that wouldn't work on the laptop keyboard for some reason
[09:08] <willcooke> seb128, are you able to edit the subscribers on this:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-credentials
[09:09] <willcooke> I /think/ it needs unity api bugs removing
[09:10] <willcooke> and then it's either approved or needs another MIR team go-around.  Cant really tell.
[09:10] <seb128> willcooke, well, "edit", yes, but you can only subscribe teams you are administrator for, and I'm not for the unity api one
[09:10] <willcooke> ah, kk
[09:10] <seb128> one for alecu I guess, I can ping him if you want
[09:10] <willcooke> yes please, thanks seb128
[09:10] <willcooke> a couple more sec. acks came in over night
[09:11] <willcooke> just tidying up now to try and get the list down even smaller
[09:11] <seb128> willcooke, team has been subscribed from the comments on the bug
[09:11] <willcooke> it has, but they said they wanted u-api-bugs removing
[09:11] <willcooke> well, at least I think that's what it means
[09:11] <willcooke> it's quite confusing
[09:11] <seb128> well, the other one got added
[09:11] <seb128> so that's how they deal with bugspam on their side
[09:11] <willcooke> so probably good enough then
[09:11] <seb128> the MIR side is fine
[09:12] <willcooke> so you think we can move it to fixed?
[09:12] <willcooke> or does an mir person have to do that?
[09:12] <willcooke> Everything /looks/ ok to me
[09:12] <willcooke> but whadda I know
[09:12] <seb128> need to check with mterry
[09:12] <willcooke> ack
[09:12] <willcooke> I will assign it back
[09:12] <seb128> he was argue with dobey
[09:13] <seb128> the powerpc tests have been disabled
[09:13] <seb128> which is not nice
[09:13] <seb128> see comments #7-9
[09:13] <seb128> 7-8
[09:18] <willcooke> This is going to be a day for coffee instead of tea I think.
[09:18] <willcooke> yes, it's *that* bad
[09:18]  * willcooke . . o O (or maybe wine)
[09:23] <TheMuso> lol
[10:02] <happyaron> seb128: hey, mind to check my n-m changelog for patches again? it's 1 rename, 4 drops and 2 additions, all documented in changelog
[10:05] <happyaron> if such form is okay, I'll go normal sponsorship process for coming updates
[10:23]  * Laney stabs multithreading
[10:23] <willcooke> LP down?
[10:24] <willcooke> ignore
[10:24] <Laney> :)
[10:40] <alecu> seb128, willcooke: anything I can help with there?
[10:41] <willcooke> hey alecu!
[10:42] <willcooke> alecu, I think the most important things from my perspective are: u-scope-click && seeing if we can drop pay-service for 16.10
[10:43] <alecu> willcooke: Sure, that's what I've got in my plate
[10:43] <willcooke> alecu, super, thanks!
[10:44] <willcooke> oh, right, the other thing alecu
[10:45] <willcooke> can you remove unity-api-bugs as a subscriber from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-credentials
[10:45] <alecu> Sure!
[10:46] <willcooke> thanks!
[10:48] <alecu> willcooke: seems I can't do it: https://launchpad.net/~unity-api-bugs/+members
[10:49] <willcooke> ahh, kk - thanks alecu
[12:26] <desrt> guten morgen
[12:40] <Laney> ahoy desrt
[12:41] <Laney> how's ←?
[12:41] <desrt> the left arrow appears lovely
[12:41] <Laney> not here actually
[12:42] <seb128> good morning desrt
[12:42] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/argh.png
[12:44] <desrt> morning seb
[12:45] <desrt> nice left-arrow/questionmark ligature.  a very common and useful thing, to be sure.
[12:48] <Laney> ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺
[12:49] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/argh2.png
[12:51] <desrt> "we are the borg.  sadness is futile."
[13:18] <ximion> Laney: are you using PackageKit for anything in Ubuntu at time?
[13:24] <Laney> hi ximion
[13:25] <Laney> you mean in the default desktop?
[13:25] <Laney> not that I can think of right now
[13:26] <Laney> other flavours might though
[13:26] <Laney> don't break stuff
[13:30] <ximion> Laney: on the contrary - I will upload a packagekit package today which fixes a lot of stuff ;-)
[13:30] <Laney> ok
[13:30] <ximion> and if you use it anywhere by default, you would definitely want that
[13:30] <Laney> I know you love to break APIs :P
[13:31] <Laney> we will merge it anyway
[13:31] <ximion> if I wouldn't control myself I would end up in an endless cycle of rewrites ^^
[13:31] <Laney> good job with PK you have hughsie to hold the line
[13:31] <Laney> :)
[13:31] <ximion> but at least the AppStream API is planned to stay stable for quite a long time now
[13:32] <ximion> ha! you haven't experienced PKs past history of breaking stuff
[13:32]  * Laney knows a bit
[13:32]  * Laney knows click
[13:34]  * Laney PRs it up
[14:56] <Laney> ximion: thanks for merging, but reply to my question please - I'm curious :P
[14:56] <ximion> Laney: did that a few msecs ago ^^
[14:57] <ximion> looks like we might have missed an opportunity to optimize ^^
[14:57] <Laney> synchronized (#ubuntu-desktop) {}
[14:57] <ximion> :D
[14:57] <Laney> meh
[14:57] <Laney> asgen is getting OOM-killed on the cloud instance
[14:58] <Laney> 8G is not enough?
[14:59] <ximion> Laney: 4G is enough at Debian
[14:59] <ximion> but barely
[14:59] <ximion> are you running master?
[14:59] <Laney> yeah
[14:59] <ximion> I added a few patches to make it go easier on memory
[14:59] <ximion> okay, so maybe just restart it when it got killed until it succeeds...
[15:00] <Laney> haha
[15:00] <ximion> but seriously, this is a bit ridiculous - I know that it will eat tons of ram, but it shouldn't really consume *that much*
[15:00] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23207393/
[15:01] <ximion> I valgrinded all non-GC pieces, and there was no bigger memory leak (and the smaller ones are fixed)
[15:01] <ximion> so either the GC is dumb, or we just have so many interconnected structures that there simply is nothing to free for quite a long time
[15:01] <ximion> the latter might actually be true
[15:02] <Laney> hope it's not something stupid like a leak in the downloading
[15:02] <ximion> Laney: I always wanted to try out GC profiling: https://dlang.org/spec/garbage.html#gc_config
[15:03] <ximion> everything that's @nogc is suspicious, and anything that mallocs as well
[15:07] <ximion> Laney: are you cleaning up  stuff properly when a package is close()d?
[15:08] <Laney> what stuff?
[15:09] <Laney> it should all be in the tmpdir
[15:10] <ximion> ok, so nothing in memory...
[15:10] <ximion> maybe keeping a reference on everything via that allPackages thing you do adds additional memory usage
[15:11] <ximion> btw, that's the profiling result for a dry run on one suite and one component (without processing packages): http://paste.debian.net/830522/
[15:11] <ximion> kind of what I expect
[15:13] <Laney> but the debian thing has the pkgCache too
[15:13] <Laney> the references to an array shouldn't be significant
[15:13] <ximion> no, but the references keep the actual object alive
[15:14] <ximion> even if it isn't needed anymore
[15:14] <Laney> the index is always alive no?
[15:14] <Laney> ok so I could kill allPackages after extracting the langpacks
[15:14] <Laney> not sure I believe this theory
[15:15] <Laney> it would spike up almost immediately
[15:15] <Laney> but this ran for some hours before being killed
[15:16] <ximion> Laney: pruning stuff from the PkgIndex has lead to quite some decrease in RAM usage
[15:17] <Laney> ok, I'll try to just keep the langpacks
[15:18] <ximion> I now prune it after a section was processed
[15:19] <ximion> but if the langpacks stuff still holds a reference to all of thise packages, they will of course not be collected
[15:19] <Laney> it just overrides packagesFor and keeps the result
[15:21] <ximion> I think one general problem with D is that it loves to copy by value and not by reference to achieve safety...
[15:21] <ximion> by-reference is pretty much always an explicit action
[15:22] <Laney> I remember that it was very annoying to achieve in this case
[15:23] <ximion> sometimes asking on the forums is useful
[15:23] <ximion> the people there are helpful, and I sometimes also just do it to highlight something I consider broken :P
[15:27] <willcooke> weekly meeting aficionados - I'm in another meeting which is running a little late.  BRWY
[15:27] <willcooke> unless someone else wants to get started
[15:27] <willcooke> lulz
[15:31] <Laney> ximion: do you want me to PR for that MAP thing or will you just do it?
[15:31] <vigo> cyphermox, ping :)
[15:32] <willcooke> oki, meeting time
[15:32] <qengho> yay!
[15:32] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20
[15:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 20 15:32:46 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:32] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:32]  * Sweet5hark1 sneaks in
[15:33] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron (out), hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128 (out), sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:33] <Laney> o/
[15:34] <willcooke> Let's begin...
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:35] <desrt> quiet day
[15:36] <willcooke> let's come back to andyrock
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:36] <attente> hey
[15:36]  * desrt is on team attente
[15:36] <attente> pretty sick recently
[15:36] <attente> made a confined glade snap: http://attente.ca/glade_<IP_ADDRESS>7b5514.1_amd64.snap
[15:37] <attente> need to add tests for the jhbuild snapcraft plugin before it can be merged upstream
[15:37] <attente> added glib bindings to content-hub, also just missing tests before it can be merged upstream
[15:37] <attente> (eof)
[15:37] <davmor2> seb128, Laney: could you have a quick look at something for me please, Open mouse settings double click is it orange to the right rather than the left on the slider?
[15:37] <desrt> davmor2: meeting now.  after, maybe?
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks attente, get well soon
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:37] <davmor2> yeah no rush
[15:37] <desrt> hihi.  forgot to prepare notes again, sorry :p
[15:38] <desrt> usual week.  bugs, reviews, etc.  starting to write tests on the first round of dconf changes.  found a lot of issues, but i managed to get 100% through for the first time this morning.
[15:38] <desrt> that's all, really
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:38] <desrt> oh, also:
[15:38] <desrt> played with containers a lot.  systemd-nspawn is pretty neat.
[15:39] <ximion> Laney: whatever you like better
[15:39] <ximion> I can do it ^^
[15:39] <Laney> (less work)
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:39] <FJKong> hi
[15:39] <FJKong> 1 Hand over Sogou IM code to NUDT guys, do some guiding work.
[15:39] <FJKong> 2 start packaging simple snap packages like: aldo, fldigi, snap register blocked
[15:39] <FJKong> 3 report ong bug about snapcraft bug#1624854
[15:39] <FJKong> 4 holiday of Mid autumn Festival
[15:39] <FJKong> eof
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks FJKong - happy hols!
[15:40] <andyrock> o/
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:40] <willcooke> :)
[15:40] <andyrock> hey
[15:40] <andyrock> sorry I had a troubled afternoon (I had to go to ER)
[15:40] <willcooke> oh!!
[15:40] <desrt> :(  are you okay?
[15:41] <andyrock> basically another week working on unity8
[15:41] <andyrock> yeah just a small problem with a finger
[15:41] <qengho> Which keys?
[15:41] <willcooke> sorry to hear that andyrock, hope you are on the mend
[15:41] <andyrock> btw i've almosted completed the tooltips for unity8 launcher
[15:41] <andyrock> i need to write some testes
[15:41]  * desrt chuckles
[15:42] <andyrock> yeah it's just a small problem  :D
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:42] <willcooke> 1. short week due to visa interview on Wed, national holidays on Thu and Fri
[15:42] <willcooke> 2. fcitx/1:<IP_ADDRESS>-3, LP: #1608469
[15:42] <willcooke> 3. spl/zfs <IP_ADDRESS>-1
[15:42] <willcooke> 4. fix radcli (fork and replaces libfreeradius), add radius support in ocserv
[15:42] <willcooke> 5. Reviews and summaries
[15:42] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1608469 in fcitx (Ubuntu) "fcitx does not handle XmbReetIC() properly" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1608469
[15:42] <qengho> zfs!
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:42] <willcooke> * on holidays most of the days
[15:42] <willcooke> * have some MPs awaiting review from last week
[15:42] <willcooke> * looking at some U7 bugs in the meantime
[15:42] <willcooke> EOF
[15:43]  * Laney thought that was willcooke's summary at first
[15:43] <Laney> "working on zfs now????"
[15:43] <willcooke> :)
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:43] <Laney> actually was more curious about the visa bit :P
[15:43] <Laney> oh yeah
[15:43] <Laney> this
[15:43] <Laney> • Short week - back from holidays
[15:43] <Laney> • Before I went away I uploaded the new default wallpaper, still waiting for a less banded version to replace the current one with.
[15:43] <Laney> • I also worked (also this week) on charming up the new asgen - the charm basically works now, but there are some bugs
[15:44] <Laney> ∘ a memory leak that makes it get OOM killed
[15:44] <Laney> ∘ some problems with thread safety (fixed upstream)
[15:44] <Laney> ∘ frontend is being hit by openstack being broken - I can't assign an IP to the instance (internal RT #95804 for interested nerds/jocks)
[15:44] <Laney> • Did the small appstream 0.10 transition quickly after the FFe got approved (todo: backport to xenial-backports)
[15:44] <Laney> • Oh I did (and reviewed) some theme bugfixes too (including https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/hidpiicons/+merge/305219 which needs some small fixes)
[15:44] <Laney> • davmor2: it's the same on xenial - something weird there!
[15:44] <Laney> 🛄
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks Laney - I'll take a look at those fixes
[15:44] <Laney> r0x0r
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:44] <qengho> Happy Tuesday, y'all.
[15:44] <qengho> * in-progress: new chromium upstream 53.0.2785.113. fine in yakkety, but crash in xenial amd64! memory allocator? Debugging.
[15:44] <qengho> * in-progress: browser snap test, GPU issues, printing still not working.
[15:44] <qengho> * to-do: armhf rasppi chromium crash. Old bug, but needs to be fixed.
[15:44] <qengho> EOF
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:45] <willcooke> Did the API changes get a final fix yet?
[15:45] <davmor2> Laney: just looked odd so I just wanted a confirmation that it was meant to look like that
[15:45] <qengho> No. I need to find out about Firefox. I ignored it yesterday.
[15:46] <willcooke> qengho, ack
[15:46] <willcooke> thx
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:46] <willcooke> • one vac day
[15:46] <willcooke> • some patch piloting (not a full shift but cleaned a bit and got some
[15:46] <willcooke> things uploaded for yakkety)
[15:46] <willcooke> • several rounds of reviewing the unity8-mirs-stack and testing on the
[15:46] <willcooke> daily iso
[15:46] <willcooke> • NEW reviews for the touch team
[15:46] <willcooke> • yakkety daily iso testing
[15:46] <willcooke> • bugs triaging and some fixing
[15:46] <willcooke> • joined some snappy discussions (mostly about xdg-open)
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1
[15:46] <Sweet5hark1> - two days vacation
[15:46] <Sweet5hark1> - updated libreoffice snap to 5.2.1
[15:46] <Sweet5hark1> -- first attempt rejected: had no .desktop entries while using unity7 (neither had previous uploads, so moving goalposts a bit here)
[15:46] <Sweet5hark1> -- added .desktop files after hunting for some docs where they are supposed to be
[15:46] <Sweet5hark1> -- ran into bug 1623580, worked around it by providing .desktop files different from what is documented
[15:46] <Sweet5hark1> -- filed bug 1625656, as static desktop files arent sustainable in the long run for LibreOffice and likely a lot of others who have non-trivial l10n in desktop files
[15:46] <Sweet5hark1> -- also noted two new deprecation warnings from snapcraft since the last 5.2.0 build. IMHO that (combined with the rejection due to missing .desktop files which never where there) hints at the danger that we do a lintianification of snap (which will discourage volunteers)
[15:46] <Sweet5hark1> - looked into bug 1619442
[15:46] <Sweet5hark1> -- verified this is a gtk2 backend only issue
[15:46] <Sweet5hark1> -- gtk2 is phased out and only provided as an emergency fallback from yakkety onwards, so dropped severity from High->Medium
[15:46] <Sweet5hark1> -- might look into disabling gmenumodel/unity integration for gtk2 if this fixes the issue
[15:46] <Sweet5hark1> EOF
[15:46] <ubot5`> bug 1623580 in snapd (Ubuntu) "snapd strips Exec= lines from .desktop files which should be legitimate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623580
[15:46] <ubot5`> bug 1625656 in Snapcraft "snapcraft should support dynamically generated .desktop files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1625656
[15:46] <ubot5`> bug 1619442 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "An empty bar appeared above the toolbar after upgrade to version 5.2 (Unity7/gtk2)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619442
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark1
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:47] <willcooke> * Worked on getting the terminal app in a deacent state for upload to yakkety. Afaik popey is handling the paperwork. Bug 1623845.
[15:47] <willcooke> * Worked out that Orca is usable in oem-config mode under Xenial but not Yakkety. I suspect an a11y stack regression somewhere, not pursuing for yakkety at this point. However, to make things work properly in oem-config mode to allow a user to select a profile during first setup, an extra script will need to be added to ubiquity. No bug yet, plan to file that in coming days.
[15:47] <willcooke> * Looked at getting a hold of some bluetooth hardware to track down the various bluetooth audio bugs we have, one being bug 1574324.
[15:47] <ubot5`> bug 1623845 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] ubuntu-terminal-app" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623845
[15:47] <ubot5`> bug 1574324 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulseaudio crashes when connecting to bluetooth headphones (due to ubuntu changes?)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1574324
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Continued bug fixing on cups-browsed:
[15:47] <tkamppeter>    o Many more fixes for problems like failure of CUPS on the server, handling of legacy-broadcasted remote printers, temporary failure of downloading remote PPD, saving PPD options of IPP network printers ...
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.11.3 with all the cups-browsed bug fixes of last week. Uploaded to Yakkety. A 1.11.4 will follow soon.
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - CUPS: Synced 2.2.0 final from Debian into Yakkety, fixes an important infinite loop bug which could cause cups-browsed to hang on shutdown.
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:48] <Trevinho> · Working in new menu items for unity8... Done and in review.
[15:48] <Trevinho> that's it
[15:49] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho - well done!
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:49] <willcooke> - Investigated snap missing metadata - license and title
[15:49] <willcooke> - simple-scan 3.22 release
[15:49] <willcooke> - Backport GsAuth support to gnome-software 3.20
[15:49] <willcooke> - Fix gnome-software blocking on startup due to changelog downloading
[15:49] <willcooke> - Misc gnome-software bugfixing
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:49] <willcooke> Anyone got anything?
[15:49] <willcooke> It's flexiondotorg's first day on Monday
[15:49] <pitti> hug for everyone!
[15:49] <Trevinho> cool
[15:49] <willcooke> Everyone's travel looks booked (with one topic to follow up on)
[15:50] <willcooke> U8 MIRs are very nearly done
[15:50] <willcooke> Beta on Thursday
[15:50] <willcooke> Oh, and one of the recs we had filled is now open again - so tell your friends!
[15:51] <willcooke> any more for anyone?
[15:52] <willcooke> 5... 4...
[15:52] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 20 15:52:17 2016 UTC.
[15:52] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-09-20-15.32.moin.txt
[15:52] <willcooke> thanks everyone
[15:52] <Laney> merci
[15:52] <pitti> tedg: hey Ted, how are you?
[15:53] <pitti> tedg: is there still something fundamental which holds back the indicator porting silo, or "just" missing merges and other technicallities?
[15:53] <seb128> back, sorry took a bit longer than I though :-/
[15:58] <willcooke> seb128, no problem
[15:58] <willcooke> Right, I'm going afk for an hour or so, bbl
[15:58] <seb128> willcooke, ttyl
[15:58] <willcooke> seb128, another one ticked off :)  No many now
[15:58] <willcooke> *Not
[15:59] <seb128> :-)
[16:05] <happyaron> [6~[6~[5~[5~[5~
[16:35] <ximion> Laney: will you be running asgen in production soon?
[16:35]  * ximion is kind of eager to see how many of the missing metadata issues get solved by that, and what remains to be fixed
[16:37] <Laney> ximion: Not sure, it's tight for yakkety and I wanted to run it in staging first for a bit
[16:37] <Laney> fixing these bugs is important for that of course
[16:38]  * Laney hopes the sysadmins figure out the problem that makes the IP address not work
[16:38] <ximion> I am quite happy that some people at Fedora envy Debian/Ubuntu for having much more complete and more useful AppStream data
[16:39] <ximion> hughsie's tool seems to be highly selective in what it considers to be appropriate
[16:39] <Laney> doesn't he require appdata?
[16:39] <ximion> asgen just throws warnings at people :P
[16:39] <ximion> jup - and screenshots too, apparently. And also anything that isn't relevent for GNOME Software gets ignored
[16:41] <ximion> he also uses XML as cache and can't find icons which are split out into a -data/-common package
[16:41] <ximion> which isn't such a big issue in Fedora, apparently
[16:41]  * Laney knows not much about the ways of fedora packaging
[16:42] <ximion> at least the way of the Arch packager is "stuff it all into one package"
[16:42] <Laney> he's probably like "hahaha those debian guys can't find symlinks"
[16:42] <ximion> Fedora seems to be the middle ground
[16:42] <ximion> unless you are texlive - then you are insane
[16:42] <ximion> Laney: symlinks.... who does that?
[16:42] <ximion> (LibreOffice does, but aside from them?)
[16:43] <Laney> firefox and thunderbird at least used to
[16:43] <Laney> so nothing popular :P
[16:43] <ximion> this is one of the cases that's easier to fix in the packages than in the generator
[16:44] <ximion> jup - we all use Lyx and Lynx, no LO and FF
[16:52] <davmor2> cyphermox, infinity: hmmmm our bi-annual issue of hardware not being detected seems to be in play on todays image? not detecting the wifi on the dell xps13
[16:55] <Laney> ximion: I'll see if it survives overnight and do a PR for https://github.com/iainlane/appstream-generator/commit/2636be346654920c21eb9baf14cb9f0432fb3749 if it does
[17:00] <ximion> C-style code comment ^^
[17:00]  * ximion does that too ^^
[17:00] <Laney> is there a D-style?!?!?!
[17:00] <ximion> Laney: I remember that for the initial run at Debian I also had to launch asgen twice due to OOM - but I only had 4G
[17:01] <Laney> it's holding at 5186 now ...
[17:01] <Laney> see what happens when it gets onto the second arch
[17:01] <ximion> D is "do whatever you want" :P
[17:01] <ximion> . /* */ or // or /+ +/, anything goes
[17:02] <Laney> heh
[17:02] <ximion> https://dlang.org/spec/ddoc.html
[17:02] <ximion> https://wiki.dlang.org/Commenting_out_code
[17:02] <Laney> invalid syntax? must be a comment
[17:02] <Laney> {- -} --  haskell
[17:03] <ximion> looks like a sad face :P
[17:03] <Laney> right, climbing time
[17:03] <Laney> see if my surf battered body can take it
[18:13] <willcooke> night all


[03:19] <_kbulgrien> Ok, distributed newb here.  I have a distibuted setup and have pushed/pulled as needed to take a mod from a subordinate branch up to the parent branch.  bzr status shows nothing.  I expected it to show I needed an update.  bzr update got the change.  What should have I done to see that an update was required?
[03:20] <bob2> missing
[03:20] <bob2> you're pushing commits around
[03:24] <_kbulgrien> Thanks.  I guess I read `bzr help missing` bzr missing [OTHER_BRANCH] as indicating a branch other than the one I am checked out from... hmm...
[03:24] <_kbulgrien> So if I pulled or pushed something into my checked out branch, I would not expect, from help, to need `bzr missing`.
[03:25] <bob2> well
[03:25] <bob2> it depends what 'checked out' means
[03:26] <fullermd> In a light checkout, I believe status tells you when the branch has moved ahead.  In a heavy it won't because that would require connecting up to the remote branch every time, and avoiding that sort of stuff is why you have heavy in the first place.
[03:26] <bob2> if it's a bound branch/lightweight checkout, be super careful
[03:28]  * _kbulgrien has forgotten how to tell if a co is lightweight or not
[03:28] <fullermd> If you didn't explicitly make a light one, it's heavy.
[03:29] <lifeless> bzr info
[03:29] <lifeless> if it says 'checkout of' its heavy.
[03:29] <_kbulgrien> bzr info -v doesn't seem to make it clear.   (Yeah, I forgot if I did --lightweight or not)
[03:29] <lifeless> paste the output ?
[03:29] <_kbulgrien> ok. gotcha.  heavy.
[03:32] <_kbulgrien> ok, I  can see the heavy/light thing.  Will just need to try to assimilate this mentality.  Am used to non-distributed where getting a status tells you everything.
[03:34] <_kbulgrien> well, successful night then... finally got bzr working to help keep a web host and a local test server tied together via version control so I can develop and push up, etc. to roll out changes.
[03:34] <lifeless> cool
[03:34] <_kbulgrien> So now I have something real to practice with.
[03:36] <_kbulgrien> I sure appreciate irc folks helping here and there to make it happen.  I think I shall call it an evening.  BBL
[03:42] <bob2> bound branches:(
[08:40] <mgz> hey
[15:17]  * SamB_MacG5 wonders why bzr-svn has to fetch so much revision info in order to grab -rsvn:1
[15:39] <flea> Hi, I wish to convert a current/live working directory into a bzr-controlled branch
[15:39] <flea> i'm a bit confused about the paths involved compared to when starting a repo from fresh
[18:13] <SamB_MacG5> anyone know jelmer's preferred TAB width?
[18:16] <SamB_MacG5> oh, it looks like the number I was looking for was "3"
[18:18] <SamB_MacG5> hmm, no, wait...
[18:31] <jelmer> SamB_MacG5: ideally, tabs in the C code, 4 spaces for python code
[18:32] <jelmer> SamB_MacG5: though subvertpy isn't sticking to that everywhere in the C code I think
[18:32] <SamB_MacG5> yeah, I hit a place where it doesn't line up without setting `tab-width' to 3
[18:33] <SamB_MacG5> obviously I didn't mean for the Python code
[18:33] <jelmer> SamB_MacG5: where is that?
[18:35] <SamB_MacG5> jelmer: adm_add() in wc.c
[18:35] <jelmer> SamB_MacG5: that's got all tabs here
[18:36] <SamB_MacG5> maybe I'm pulling from the wrong branch...
[18:37] <jelmer> SamB_MacG5: http://people.samba.org/bzr/jelmer/subvertpy/trunk/ ?
[18:37]  * SamB_MacG5 was lazy and used lp:subvertpy
[18:38] <SamB_MacG5> hrmm
[18:38] <SamB_MacG5> no new revisions
[18:40] <SamB_MacG5> what the heck, trying to pull from the https: version dies on me ...
[18:40]  * SamB_MacG5 blames Subversion
[18:41] <SamB_MacG5> or not, the traceback was from the middle of the smart protocol code :-(
[18:44] <SamB_MacG5> jelmer: check the line after this again:
[18:44] <SamB_MacG5> RUN_SVN_WITH_POOL(temp_pool, svn_wc_add2(
[18:45] <jelmer> SamB_MacG5: right, so there is one misalignment.
[18:46] <SamB_MacG5> but, don't fix it now, because it'll conflict with what I'm working on ;-)
[18:50] <SamB_MacG5> sweet, it built
[19:06]  * SamB_MacG5 looks into the __future__ to figure out how to make the test suite run ..
[19:08] <lifeless> SamB_MacG5: which test suite ?
[19:14] <SamB_MacG5> lifeless: subvertpy's
[19:19] <SamB_MacG5> darn, now it's segfaulting :-(
[19:23] <lifeless> Possibly make check
[19:23] <lifeless> or setup.py test
[19:24] <lifeless> failing that read the README :)
[19:28] <SamB_MacG5> lifeless: that's what's segfaulting ;-)
[19:28] <SamB_MacG5> (no, not the README ;-)
[19:28] <lifeless> jelmer may be around, he's in the US atm - jelmer: ^
[19:28]  * jelmer waves
[19:28]  * SamB_MacG5 is trying make gdb-check right now
[19:30] <lifeless> jelmer: oh hai
[19:31]  * SamB_MacG5 wishes Apple had provided debugging symbols for Python
[19:31] <jelmer> hey lifeless:-)
[19:31] <lifeless> jelmer: any thoughts on SamB_MacG5's subverypy segfaults ?
[19:31] <lifeless> jelmer: also, have fun and sambacamp :)
[19:31] <lifeless> s/and/at/
[19:59]  * SamB_MacG5 tries to puzzle out how to get a Python traceback without any debug symbols ...
[20:55] <SamB_MacG5> oh, whoopsie ...
[20:56]  * SamB_MacG5 discovers com.mygreatcompany.pkg.python-fastimport in his receipt database
[21:42] <delinquentme> ok so I've got this dir:  BETY  ... and all of my project files within the BETY folder.  I would like to relocate all of the working files into BETY/trunk  .. .so that I might make another branch ( which contains a bunch of redesign stuff ) in BETY/redesign
[21:42] <delinquentme> right now I've attempted to move all the files from BETY/* to BETY/trunk/* .. but I get complaints in bzr
[21:44] <lifeless> delinquentme: what complains
[21:45] <SamB_MacG5> delinquentme: tried moving also BETY/.* to BETY/trunk/.* ?
[21:45] <delinquentme> well as far as bzr status is concerned ... every file was removed
[21:46] <delinquentme> and then I've just got an Unknown:  trunk/
[21:47] <delinquentme> NM!
[21:47] <delinquentme> for some reason the mv * didnt copy the bzr files
[21:47] <lifeless> well
[21:47] <delinquentme> niiice
[21:47] <lifeless> the problem is that trunk is part of BETY/*
[21:47] <lifeless> so I think you need to be more specific
[21:47] <lifeless> starting from scratch
[21:47] <lifeless> assuming BETY is the root of your branch
[21:47] <lifeless> bzr mkdir trunk
[21:48] <SamB_MacG5> lifeless: what?
[21:48] <SamB_MacG5> why would he want to add a directory called trunk to the branch, exactly?
[21:49] <lifeless> SamB_MacG5: thats the scenario given
[21:49] <SamB_MacG5> lifeless: I'm pretty sure he wants that to *be* a branch
[21:49] <lifeless> delinquentme: then bzr mv <file> trunk/ - don't use *, because it will pic up trunk as well
[21:49] <lifeless> SamB_MacG5: for that, he needs to move them and then use bzr split
[21:50] <lifeless> delinquentme: is BETY the root of a branch, or just a container that contains multiple branches ?
[21:51]  * SamB_MacG5 is pretty sure that delinquentme was just not expecting * not to match names with leading .s
[21:53] <delinquentme> yeah :D
[21:53] <SamB_MacG5> jelmer: so, when you "fix compatability with svn 1.4", do you remember to actually run the test suite?
[21:53] <delinquentme> what SamB_MacG5 said
[21:54] <jelmer> SamB_MacG5: it's been a long time since I've run with 1.4 myself
[21:54] <delinquentme> is trunk a bad name for the local version of master branch?
[21:55] <SamB_MacG5> well, I think this segfault is beyond me :-(
[21:59] <delinquentme> and pushing my newly branched "redesign" dir up onto the primary repo?
[21:59] <delinquentme> can I just do bzr push :parent  and have it make the redesign branch on the remote / primary repo?
[22:00] <SamB_MacG5> jelmer: could you try running the tests against https://code.launchpad.net/~naesten/subvertpy/1050949-svn-1.4-compat ?
[22:00] <SamB_MacG5> delinquentme: probably not ?
[22:00] <SamB_MacG5> delinquentme: try "bzr config" to see
[22:01] <delinquentme> bzr: ERROR: unknown command "config"
[22:01] <SamB_MacG5> huh
[22:01] <SamB_MacG5> works on Bzr 2.3!
[22:02] <delinquentme> 2.1.4
[22:02] <delinquentme> ahhhh
[22:03] <SamB_MacG5> wow that's old
[22:03] <SamB_MacG5> and I thought I was behind
[22:03] <jelmer> SamB_MacG5: trying
[22:04] <SamB_MacG5> test_committed_queue (subvertpy.tests.test_wc.AdmTests) ...
[22:04] <SamB_MacG5> Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory.
[22:05]  * SamB_MacG5 gets that when he runs "make gdb-check TEST_OPTIONS=-v"
[22:33] <delinquentme> umm was there a way to add just specific files for a commit?
[22:33] <delinquentme> I know how to add just one file to a commit .. what if I just want to pick out 10 files ?
[22:34] <lifeless> bzr commit filename
[22:52] <delinquentme> lifeless, yeah i mean how can I add only a selected number of files
[22:53] <delinquentme> SamB_MacG5, I think I asked about this before .. but the adding multiple files .. but not all files to a commit?
[22:53] <delinquentme> or say .. how to add multiple files and stage them to be comitted
[22:55] <lifeless> delinquentme: there is no staging area in bzr
[22:55] <lifeless> delinquentme: bzr commit file1 file2 file3 etc
[22:57] <mark06> hi all, is it possible to overwrite committer in commit log for adding email info (that is, apply bzr whoami "Name <email>" to all places where bzr whoami "Name" has been used)
[22:58] <lifeless> there is a bzr rewrite patch in the bug tracker somewhere
[22:58] <lifeless> IIRC jelmer rejected it as not being a common enough use case :)
[22:59] <delinquentme> lifeless, can I add all files within a dir?
[23:00] <delinquentme> say $ bzr commit -m "testing" dir1/*  dir5/* dir7/file.txt
[23:00] <lifeless> bzr commit -m testing dir1 dir5 dir7/file.txt
[23:00] <delinquentme> to add everything in dir1 and dir5 .. as well as file.txt
[23:00] <lifeless> bzr add says *track these files for changes*
[23:00] <delinquentme> thanks!
[23:00] <lifeless> bzr commit says *commit everything*
[23:00] <lifeless> bzr commit path1 path2... pathN
[23:00] <mark06> some decisions may be painful in future, I should have set an email since beginning, I used to think that was privacy, now I think that was paranoia
[23:01] <lifeless> says commit anything in these paths (that is already tracked)
[23:04] <delinquentme> lifeless, so if I havn't added a file yet IE it comes up under "unknown" on a bzr status
[23:04] <lifeless> right
[23:04] <delinquentme> those files wont be committed ?
[23:04] <lifeless> right
[23:04] <delinquentme> ah ok ok
[23:04] <lifeless> have you gone through the tutorial ?
[23:06] <delinquentme> yeah I just get wonked up on some of the difference between this and git
[23:06] <delinquentme> what about something akin to git commit --amend
[23:06] <delinquentme> like if I want to add new information to a previous commit ( one which I only have locally )
[23:12] <lifeless> bzr uncommit; bzr commit
[23:21] <mark06> --amend? ugh. So lifeless, if I ever find that bug, I would need to patch bzr myself, right? (and also, change the patch as it's likely outdated)
[23:27] <lifeless> mark06: bzr-rewrite is a plugin
[23:27] <lifeless> mark06: but yes, with s/bzr/bzr-rewrite/
[23:27] <mark06> ok thanks lifeless


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[00:34] <azend> BobJonkman1: :)
[00:34] <azend> If we do SFD Guelph, I want it to be big
[00:35] <azend> Better start putting up posters
[00:54] <BobJonkman1> SFD in KW will be at Kwartzlab, 28 September (a week later than the official date)
[02:27] <azend> BobJonkman1: where do you apply to present at KWSFD?
[04:33] <BobJonkman1> azend: We're in the middle of planning now; send an e-mail to Paul Nijjar<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and he'll add you to the sfd-planning mailing list.  Tell him what you've got in mind...
[04:35] <azend> So I have to work to get a spot eh?
[04:36] <azend> I see what you're doing here ;)
[04:54] <BobJonkman1> Well, you have to have a presentation to get a presentation spot
[04:54] <BobJonkman1> Also have a look at http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2013/Canada/Kitchener/Kwartzlab
[04:54] <BobJonkman1> You should probably start a page for Guelph.
[21:04] <Delemas> Anyone playing with saucy devel? I'm trying to generate a CSR but openssl keeps hanging...
[22:32] <BobJonkman2> Countdown to meeting: T-29 minutes
[22:46] <BobJonkman2> Hi chaslinux!
[22:47] <chaslinux> Hi BobJonkman2 x2 ;-)
[22:47] <BobJonkman> hi again
[22:50] <BobJonkman2> T-10 and counting...
[22:52] <Jebster> Hi All
[22:52] <BobJonkman2> Hi Jebster!
[22:52] <chaslinux> Hi Jebster
[22:52] <Jebster> :D
[22:52] <BobJonkman2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings  is the agenda for the earlybir
[22:52] <Jebster> Hi Chas
[22:52] <BobJonkman2> Jebster:
[22:52] <chaslinux> Hi laurelrusswurm !
[22:53] <Jebster> bob
[22:53] <Jebster> BobJonkman2:
[22:54] <BobJonkman2> The earlybir catches the wor
[22:54] <Jebster> Cheep! :D
[22:58] <azend> Early bird looses his phone before the meeting
[23:00] <BobJonkman2> Hokay...
[23:00] <BobJonkman2> #startmeeting Ubuntu-ca IRC meeting 22 Aug 2013
[23:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug 22 23:00:51 2013 UTC.  The chair is BobJonkman2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[23:00] <BobJonkman2> #chair dscassel
[23:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: BobJonkman2 dscassel
[23:00] <BobJonkman2> Greetings to Jebster dscassel chaslinux BobJonkman2 philipballew mars laurelrusswurm DarwinSurvivor azend sigint cjopcjop FiReSTaRT jlamothe sipherdee ryanakca cyphermox Gregorio_ KombuchaKip bregma  Chex lubotu1 txwikinger2 johanbr   egerlach jaguar
[23:01] <BobJonkman2> So, let's introduce ourselves...
[23:01] <BobJonkman2> I'm Bob Jonkman, one of the contacts for Ubuntu Canada
[23:02] <BobJonkman2> I'm from Elmira, Ontario, but currently I'm at Ubuntu Hour in Kitchener with a bunch of other ubuntoids
[23:03] <BobJonkman2> #link There's an agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings
[23:03] <azend> I'm Verdi R-D from Ubuntu Guelph
[23:04] <azend> I'm sitting at home on the couch because Ubuntu Hour Guelph is next week
[23:04] <chaslinux> Charles from Ubuntu Hour Kitchener.
[23:05] <BobJonkman2> Yay! another Ubuntu Hour!
[23:06] <Cranky> yay Bob
[23:07] <BobJonkman2> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/2489-ubuntu-hour-guelph/
[23:07] <azend> seconded
[23:07] <BobJonkman2> So, let's whittle away at the agenda...
[23:07] <BobJonkman2> #topic Events
[23:08] <BobJonkman2> #subtopic Ubuntu Hours
[23:08] <BobJonkman2> We just did that...
[23:08] <BobJonkman2> #subtopic Ubuntu Events
[23:08] <BobJonkman2> They start next week: UDS is 27-29 August, entirely online
[23:08] <BobJonkman2> http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[23:09] <BobJonkman2> The Ubuntu Global Jam is from 13 to 15 September
[23:09] <BobJonkman2> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2315/
[23:09] <BobJonkman2> That's one I'd like to do some planning for.
[23:10] <BobJonkman2> Randall from Vancouver is pretty hepped on UGJ, so I'd like to have at least one event.
[23:10] <BobJonkman2> But a venue is needed.
[23:11] <BobJonkman2> Like a workshop with classroom facilities
[23:11] <BobJonkman2> Or a computer refurbishing shop...
[23:11] <bregma> sorry to sound ignorant, but what is a global jam?
[23:12] <BobJonkman2> UGJ is Ubuntu GLobal Jam; UDS is Ubuntu Developer Summit
[23:12] <chaslinux> Was that a hint????
[23:12] <BobJonkman2> The Ubuntu Global Jam is a time to work on the forthcoming release, do some bug finding, triaging, fixing; maybe work on documentation.
[23:13] <dscassel> Live from @UbuntuWaterloo Ubuntu hour! http://twitter.com/flying_squirrel/status/370684521920094209/photo/1
[23:13] <BobJonkman2> At the very least, doing an install of the latest beta and seeing how it behaves on our equipment.
[23:13] <BobJonkman2> And reporting to the developers about pitfalls, problems, &c.
[23:14] <chaslinux> Could probably provide the computers for the workshop, we just got a bunch of core 2 duo sff lenovos....
[23:14] <BobJonkman2> And, of course, UGnJ another excuse to get together in person and have some fu
[23:15] <BobJonkman2> fun
[23:15] <bregma> so you can give Mir a thorough test, then?
[23:16] <BobJonkman2> bregma: Yup.
[23:16]  * BobJonkman2 didn't know Mir was ready for release in 13.10
[23:16] <azend> It probably won't be ;)
[23:16] <Cranky> I heard that they're trying to squeeze it in
[23:17] <bregma> it's already in main
[23:17] <bregma> I use it every day, it's got a few missing features but is almost ready
[23:17] <BobJonkman2> dscassel tells me it'll be shipping with 13.10, but it won't be default
[23:17] <bregma> needs hammer testing, especially on low-spec machines
[23:18] <bregma> it's very likely going to be the default
[23:18] <chaslinux> I can certainly do that bregma, I have access to lots of low end machines.
[23:18] <BobJonkman2> So, hammer testing is a thing to do duing a Global Jam
[23:18] <bregma> sweet
[23:19] <BobJonkman2> I didn't hear any volunteers offering a venue for UGJ...
[23:20] <BobJonkman2> The Global Jam is usually a few weeks before the official release
[23:20] <BobJonkman2> And that means Release Parties!
[23:21] <BobJonkman2> #subtopic Ubuntu 13.10 Release Parties
[23:21] <BobJonkman2> Who's having one?
[23:21] <azend> \o/
[23:22] <BobJonkman2> Yay azend!
[23:24] <BobJonkman2> dscassel says having release parties is a tradition, so there will likely be one in KW
[23:28] <chaslinux> Will check with the powers that be @TWC for the venue.
[23:28] <BobJonkman2> Yay chaslinux!
[23:29] <BobJonkman2> Finally,
[23:29] <BobJonkman2> #subtopic Software Freedom Day
[23:29] <BobJonkman2> Who's having one?
[23:30] <BobJonkman2> Kwartzlab is hosting one for Kitchener-Waterloo: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/2497-sfd-kwartlab/
[23:30] <BobJonkman2> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2013/Canada/Kitchener/Kwartzlab
[23:30] <azend> SFD Guelph will be discussed at Ubuntu Hour Guelph
[23:30] <azend> if we decide to have one, I'll post it to the various lists
[23:31] <BobJonkman2> Yay azend again!
[23:31] <BobJonkman2> SFD isn't an official Ubuntu event, but in the past we've always relied heavily on Ubuntu to demonstrate free software at the KW SFDs
[23:32] <chaslinux> I find it creeps up really quickly.... we normally plan months in advance.
[23:32] <BobJonkman2> And the LoCo Events Page lists SFD2013 as a global event: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2483/
[23:33] <BobJonkman2> For some reason, SFD Kwartzlab looks like it's primarily media oriented: Blender, Ubuntu Studio,
[23:33] <BobJonkman2> maybe chaslinux will do something on XBMC.
[23:34] <BobJonkman2> I'm talking about autonomy in the cloud, so I'm demonstrating Media G...oblin
[23:36] <BobJonkman2> (Did You Know: chaslinux has a new book out on XBMC: http://www.packtpub.com/build-entertainment-system-with-XBMC/book
[23:37] <chaslinux> Hi Katherine
[23:37] <azend> I would like to talk about getting through your job with nothing but a text editor
[23:38] <BobJonkman2> azend: ???  You mean in a programming/developer job?
[23:38] <azend> well actually I was more talking about school
[23:38] <azend> powerpoint presentations
[23:39] <azend> writing essays
[23:39] <azend> BobJonkman2: regular stuff
[23:39] <chaslinux> LateX
[23:39] <chaslinux> LaTeX*
[23:41] <BobJonkman2> chaslinux dscassel and I are remembering people who did KWLUG presenatations with text-based presentation software
[23:41] <BobJonkman2> Can't remember what software that was, but there's probably a clue on http://kwlug.org
[23:42] <BobJonkman2> So, I don't know how much more planning we can do here right now; it's probably something best done by the local groups
[23:42] <BobJonkman2> For SFD Kwartzlab, anyone interested in helping out with Software Freedom Day should contact Paul Nijjar so he can add you to the sfd-planning mailing list
[23:43] <BobJonkman2> There's all kinds of stuff to be done: design flyers, distribute flyers, gather free software to create a distribution, burn CDs of that distribuition...
[23:45] <BobJonkman2> OK, continuing on at this blistering pace...
[23:45] <BobJonkman2> #topic Other stuff
[23:47] <BobJonkman2> I have nothing...
[23:48] <Cranky> you should get something
[23:48] <azend> #topic Marketing
[23:49] <BobJonkman2> #chair azend
[23:49] <meetingology> Current chairs: BobJonkman2 azend dscassel
[23:49] <azend> #topic Marketing
[23:49] <BobJonkman2> try that again...
[23:49] <azend> I've started making some marketing tools for public use
[23:49] <bregma> marketing what?
[23:49] <BobJonkman2> What kind of tools?
[23:50] <azend> I plan on demoing some of them at Ubuntu Hour Guelph
[23:50] <azend> Posters and things
[23:50] <azend> Next event reminder cards
[23:50] <azend> My printer jammed on those
[23:52] <BobJonkman2> Got a file?
[23:52] <azend> It would be nice to get some other promotional tools
[23:52] <BobJonkman2> You did up a nice poster a while ago.
[23:52] <azend> Perhaps but give me a minute
[23:52] <azend> Heh yeah
[23:52] <azend> almost four months ago in fact
[23:52] <azend> I think I can do better though
[23:53] <azend> If you give me a few minutes I can pull something up
[23:53] <BobJonkman2> ttachments
[23:53] <BobJonkman2> That is, we can put them on the wiki as attachments
[23:54] <azend> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vuxpwquqnkc7983/MeetingCard.gif
[23:55] <BobJonkman2> (and everybody at Ubuntu Hour starts sucking down that file and slamming my phone's bandwidth)
[23:55] <azend> :)
[23:55] <azend> Why don't I make it an svg
[23:56] <BobJonkman2> OK, I'll look at it later...
[23:56] <BobJonkman2> Oh, there it is!
[23:56] <BobJonkman2> Like business cards!
[23:56] <azend> almost exactly like business cards
[23:58] <azend> But yeah, I thought it would be nice if we had something to show when we go out to events/conventions
[23:58] <azend> I've been known to go to an event or two and could potentially and these out
[23:59] <BobJonkman2> OK, folks are leaving here...
[23:59] <azend> or could stick up posters in central areas
[23:59] <azend> Communitech hub for example
[23:59] <BobJonkman2> I've always had difficulty finding places to put posters where I won't be arrested.


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[01:42] <guiverc> s/WIth/With/   (first in the press; xfce one)
[01:42] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ^ fixing :D
[01:44] <Bashing-om> UWN: Next edit ?
[01:47] <guiverc> looks good Bashing-om , that was all I noticed (just finished reading), thanks.
[01:47] <guiverc> (random links opened, inc. bug fixes & all good)
[01:49] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Great - saving and logging out of the WIKI.
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[21:13] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - no further edits are known - will start the push soonest.
[21:42] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forums Post done - be aware for the Fridge we have a line 77 "H" format notification // Doing the Re-ditects next.
[21:45] <guiverc> thanks... am nearly about to discover that for self..
[21:45]  * guiverc says Yep... upgrades on box have completed..
[21:46]  * guiverc gets UWN 765 number from UF post ^ :)
[21:51] <guiverc> I don't see reason (yet) for issue.. line 77 is about " * Installing Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS on a 2010 laptop without GPT support - https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2481638"  & fridge post looks okay; still looking
[21:52] <guiverc> link not working for "UbuCon Asia 2022 Korea参加レポート"  -- maybe that's it
[21:54] <guiverc> looks good to me - https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/12/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-765/
[21:55] <guiverc> (mentioned link redone)
[21:57] <krytarik> Well, the line mentioned in the error message is the one from the script, but yeah figured it'll break hard on that title.. >_<
[21:58]  * guiverc breaks 'hard' trying to read that line/title too...
[21:58] <guiverc> thanks krytarik
[22:05] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs completed.
[22:09] <guiverc> posted 765 to twitter, (reddit & telegram)
[22:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Too soon to do away with the 765 evidence ?
[22:11] <guiverc> fridge post looked okay?   if it does yep scrub away...
[22:12] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Shame on me - I forgot to check the Fridge - checking now !
[22:14] <guiverc> thanks...  (not really worried, with the error over stuff I couldn't read too... extra set of eyes on it apprecaited)
[22:14] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 765 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/12/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-765/
[22:16] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check and all looks good :D
[22:17] <Bashing-om> Gdoc: doing the wipe/rinse/repeat thing at this time :D
[22:18] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om
[22:42] <guiverc> (and finally) UWN 765 posted to fb too
[22:52] <Bashing-om> UWN: Isasue766 of to a start :D
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