[10:52] <Guest76> hi, i got recommended to this group. I am new to linux and ttrying to find info on building a lean backend server. I came across ubuntu-server & alpine-linux.
[10:54] <ravage> we can only help with Ubuntu here
[11:05] <Guest76> ravage  can you tell me how can i learn how I can make my ubuntu server very specific for backend applications like Java , Javascript & MySQL.
[11:05] <Guest76> Remove everything that i do not need
[11:06] <ravage> a minimal ubuntu installation does not leave much more than the bare minimum
[11:07] <ravage> install it. install your applications. done.
[11:19] <PeGaSuS> help! this happened, for the 1st time, on my dedicated server: https://0bin.xyz/?1a10218c0a6ceb77#8Eam1S9i9Ss1bPdtekADpWDCwcoYm9gj7cSxKoZjtnP9
[11:19] <PeGaSuS> after a `apt update && apt dist-upgrade`
[11:24] <ravage> no is fine
[11:24] <ravage> you still have the old grub on it
[11:24] <ravage> you can figure out why is failed later
[11:24] <ravage> eh
[11:24] <ravage> "yes" in this case
[11:24] <ravage> sorry
[11:28] <PeGaSuS> now what do i do to see why it failed? all I can see while upgrading is this: https://0bin.xyz/?24eaf1c008a2de3a#Dp5K7NtbBpzb5MiiNqwpE2Dw9ShStxTuJGF4ufcvnrdx
[11:52] <Guest76> ravage  got disconnected. How do you know that the minimal installation does not leave much more than bare minimum? Are you aware of in-depth details?
[11:53] <ravage> Guest76: no. but why dont you just install it and see for yourself?
[11:57] <Guest76> ravage Ubuntu runs over a 100 processes. I wouldnt know where to begin
[11:57] <ravage> no idea where you got that number from
[11:58] <Guest76> ravagefrom the master ubuntu server book by Jay Lacroix that I am reading.
[12:01] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/i78qa8ly.txt
[12:01] <ravage> this is the full process list of a launched Ubuntu 22.04 LXC container
[12:02] <ravage> so its really init and systemd
[12:22] <Guest76> ravage Idk what LXC container is but it seems different than Ubuntu desktop. Thats what the book uses to teach.
[12:23] <ravage> and why would you read about a full desktop system if you want a small footprint?
[12:23] <ravage> makes no sense at all
[12:27] <Guest76> ravage because I dont even know basic system adminsitration, so it seems like a good place to start and then dive deeper.
[12:27] <Guest76> I didnt even know about users and permissions. Now I know
[18:25] <jrwren> Hello, I run isc-bind. can you recommend a channel in which for me to ask or maybe some knows, Cache Statistics says CacheBuckets 1024 and CacheNodes 702 and I'd like to know how that roughly translates to entry count.
[19:04] <rbasak> jrwren: the bind user mailing list perhaps? https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
[19:04] <rbasak> It seems like a very specialist upstream question. You're very welcome to ask here but I'm not sure there's anyone who knows the answer.
[19:22] <jrwren> thanks rbasak. i also found #bind. Maybe someone there know.
[23:12] <PeGaSuS> so, I'm a bit stupid.. I want to enable UFW but I want to allow ALL traffic except specific IPs. how can I achieve this?
[23:22] <PeGaSuS> I suppose that `ufw default allow` and then `ufw deny from IP to any` for each IP will do it?


[13:33] <lp|sprint> o/ Morning GUI
[13:34] <rick_h_> lp|sprint: morning
[13:34] <lp|sprint> or rather, morning UX team :)
[13:34] <rick_h_> UI Eng team
[13:34] <rick_h_> UX team is Ale's team with luca and company
[13:37] <lp|sprint> some day, i will get it right
[13:37] <rick_h_> :)
[13:37] <lp|sprint> #thestruggleisreal
[13:37] <rick_h_> #knowyourteams
[13:48] <jrwren> I'm on the team and I don't get it right.
[13:59] <lp|sprint> seems legit
[14:00] <rick_h_> it's easier when you use the short name
[14:00] <rick_h_> MostAwesomeTeamEvar!
[14:00] <rick_h_> :P
[14:00] <jrwren> that is how I remember it.
[18:46] <hatch> jcastro: can you update your answer to http://askubuntu.com/questions/600802/update-someone-elses-chrams-in-the-juju-charm-store to include instructions for non-promulgated charms (which the charms in question are)
[18:46] <jcastro> yeah
[18:47] <jcastro> on it, having internet issues
[18:47] <hatch> I can - just didn\'t want to duplicate work :)
[18:56] <hatch> jcastro: thanks - we should probably add that to the docs, no?
[18:57] <jcastro> that entire page makes me cry
[18:57] <hatch> haha
[18:57] <jcastro> we'll hit it up this week during the sprint
[18:57] <hatch> how goes the sprint?
[18:58] <jcastro> good


[20:10] <harmental> hey guys...maybe someone can help..i have realized that my kde applications dont have soud...for instance when a mail arrives kontact doesnt play the notification sound, the login in kde show no sound whatsoever, the same thing with kopete....other than that sound works great on amarak, real player or kaffeine....any ideas?
[20:17] <ScorpKing-Laptop> harmental: check you application settings. for example, you have to set in in kopete before it will work.
[20:18] <harmental> ScorpKing-Laptop: yeah of course...ive already done that...
[20:20] <ScorpKing-Laptop> harmental: under settings -> configure notifications in kopete? does the sound play when you test it there?
[20:20] <harmental> ScorpKing-Laptop: nop
[20:22] <siofwolves> harmental, try alsamixer in a terminal for any obvious volume settings
[20:23] <ScorpKing-Laptop> harmental:  you can also check if the sound works in kcontrol -> sound & multimedia -> sound system
[20:23] <ScorpKing-Laptop> g2g. hope you get it fixed. nite guys
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> if im running apache and wanna show web based apps that are running locally on my system. How can I treference these "sites"
[20:28] <ActionParsnip> like running ktorrent with web admin
[20:29] <ik__> still havent got a answer?
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> no :(
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> thought i had one on a site but it was soething different
[20:34] <gabbler> hi, does anyone know that if i install the 4.1 beta when the final version comes out can i just update it once again
[20:35] <jussi01> gabbler: try asking in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:35] <tomasz> hello all
[20:35] <willluongo> Hello! Is it possible to login to another user (let's say User1) without knowing User1's password using superuser credentials in KDE? I want to be able to configure things (on my box) in other user's settings without having to ask for or change their password
[20:35] <gabbler> jussi01: thanks will do
[20:36] <t0m3k> who have the problem with skype on ubuntu ?
[20:36] <jmichaelx> will grub recognize an installation of freebsd after installing linux to a free partition
[20:36] <jmichaelx> ?
[20:37] <mooperd> I want to install kubuntu onto a usb key
[20:37] <mooperd> does anyone have a good guide for doing this
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> mooper http://digg.com/linux_unix/Run_Ubuntu_7_10_Gutsy_Gibbon_from_your_USB_Flash_Drive
[20:38] <t0m3k> is enybody there?
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> t0m3k: sup
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> !ask | t0m3k
[20:41] <t0m3k> who have the problem with Skype?
[20:42] <mooperd> Action parsnip
[20:43] <mooperd> ActionParsnip, ta
[20:54] <Miroku-Sama> hey does kubuntu find codecs and such automatically like ubuntu does? I need that ability I'm setting this up for a windows user so..
[21:01] <zipper> I have 2 soundcards in my pc. One onboard, and an audigy2. I have a keyboard with volume control keys (logitech ultraX) and they work perfect, the OSD volume thing shows up, but there is no actual change in volume. I had to use asoundconf to set my audigy as default instead of the onboard card. How do i make the volume keys work with this setup?
[21:10] <zipper> Anyone? Dont be shy
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> sup zipper?
[21:12] <zipper> I have 2 soundcards in my pc. One onboard, and an audigy2. I have a keyboard with volume control keys (logitech ultraX) and they work perfect, the OSD volume thing shows up, but there is no actual change in volume. I had to use asoundconf to set my audigy as default instead of the onboard card. How do i make the volume keys work with this setup?
[21:13] <mado> hi guys ...
[21:13] <zipper> hi
[21:13] <mado> hello zipper :)
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> zipper: do you use the onboard at all?
[21:13] <zipper> not really, no
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> zipper: disable it on bios
[21:13] <mado> well guys ... i heard about something strange ...
[21:14] <zipper> i guess that would work, but i dont really like that way of solving it =/
[21:14] <zipper> there must be somewhere where you can specify what soundcard the volume keys are supposed to use
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> zipper: it makes sense
[21:15] <mado> a company must erase their digital files on a hard disk completely so that no one can read them again ... because one could recover the files with a recoveryprogram ... so ...
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> it forces your sound stuff to point to the only sound device which is your audigy
[21:15] <mado> i wanted to know how these companies should delete the files
[21:15] <zipper> mado, physically destroy the harddrives
[21:15] <zipper> only way to be 100% sure
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> zipper: you may find its looking at your onboard
[21:15] <mado> and if you don't want to destroy them but to sell them?
[21:16] <mado> or if you want to give them away for schools or something like that?
[21:16] <zipper> mado, then you just format the harddrive a few times and hope none of the buyers never attempt to bring back the old data
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> mado: on the ultimatebootcd theres a scrubber which does 6 passes of bit invertion
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> zipper: formatting doesnt destroy data
[21:16] <mado> ActionParsnip, ... what does that mean? ... i'm a beginner
[21:16] <zipper> afaik formatting in dos automaticly overwrites the sectors
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> mado: drives contain bits stored as 1s and 0s
[21:17] <mado> *listens to ActionParsnip*
[21:17] <ShadowKnight> Hello all.
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> mado: formatting resets up the FAT of the drive so the partition seens empty
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> mado: to remove data fully you have to overwrite the data
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> mado: disk scrubbers will either fill the drive with 1s or 0s
[21:18] <Shirakawasuna> load knoppix/a livecd
[21:18] <Shirakawasuna> dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/yourhd
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> mado: or write 1 then 0 then 1 then 0 a number of times
[21:18] <Shirakawasuna> that'll write 0s to the HD
[21:19] <Shirakawasuna> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/yourhd will write 'random' bits to he drive
[21:19] <Shirakawasuna> I do both when I get rid of a drive
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> mado: doing it a few times helps to kill data as oscilloscopes can be used if you simply write a single sweep to a partition
[21:19] <zipper> There is no such thing as "fully" remove the data. I really cant recommend your company reselling those drives if they contain sensitive data
[21:19] <zipper> if someone is dedicated enough, there is a risk of them being able to recover that data
[21:19] <Shirakawasuna> you can run what I listed above (both) a couple of times
[21:19] <Shirakawasuna> that will do a pretty good job, iirc
[21:20] <mado> well ... hmm ... could you possibly tell me how i can do it on my own computer just for a test to see if it works?
[21:20] <ShadowKnight> Don't do it if you only have one hard disk!
[21:20] <mado> well ShadowKnight ... i would like to do it and then just install the system again :)
[21:20] <mado> or does this procedure destroy my hdd?
[21:21] <mado> just for fun :)
[21:21] <zipper> if it destroyed your hdd, it wouldnt be very nice of you to sell those hdd =)
[21:21] <Shirakawasuna> mado: if you want to wipe the disc for security purposes, do what I recommended...
[21:21] <Shirakawasuna> mado: if you just want to reinstall and don't care about old data being found, you can just reformat
[21:21] <ShadowKnight> You WILL lose any data you had that wasn't backed up, regardless of system reinstall
[21:22] <lyhana8> does anybody us word translation feature of google toolbar on firefox 3 ?
[21:22] <mado> yeah ok ... but i wanted to try this out ... i'd like to delete everything ...
[21:22] <mado> and then try to recover it :)
[21:22] <genii> !info wipe
[21:22] <mado> wipe doesn't work with "ntfs" and "ext3"
[21:23] <mado> and shred too
[21:23] <ShadowKnight> Oh well, just make sure you have anything you need on tape or dvd.
[21:23] <mado> i hope i don't sound crazy
[21:23] <ShadowKnight> Nah, actually sounds fun.
[21:23] <mado> do you really mean that? :)
[21:24] <Shirakawasuna> mado: do dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/yourhd and wee if you can recover ;)
[21:24] <ShadowKnight> I would do it if I had enough back up space.
[21:24] <mado> and where do i write "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/yourhd" ??
[21:24] <ShadowKnight> And the funds for a new hard disk, in case I screwed up too much.
[21:24] <ShadowKnight> But I don't :(
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> mado: ultimatebootcd does it for you :)
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> mado: plus its got some other sweet apps
[21:25] <mado> so ok ... how much is the cd?
[21:25] <ShadowKnight> Is that the one that gets the passwords?
[21:25] <mado> or is it for free?
[21:25] <mado> a cd that gets passwords? ... that'll be great for another thing i'd like to try out :) ... but that's more a sad than a happy story
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> mado: hell yeah!
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> mado: yeah it can reset NT passwords too
[21:26] <ShadowKnight> Oh, there definitely is a password one for free. The one I heard of only does XP though.
[21:26] <mado> so ... wait a sec ActionParsnip ...
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: yeah its got the password cracker
[21:27] <mado> i download the ultimatebootcd
[21:27] <mado> then i run the cd
[21:27] <lyhana8> someone use google toolbar on firefox 3 ?
[21:27] <mado> and just write "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/yourhd" ?
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> mado: yeah, md5 check it, burn it, boot to it
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> mado: no, its an option in the menu
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> lyhana8: i do
[21:27] <ShadowKnight> For sensitive data though, I'd use a powerful em pulse generator after any wipe software. But I'm just paranoid.
[21:28] <mado> and it can delete and overwrite files on "ext3" AND "ntfs" ?
[21:28] <lyhana8> ActionParsnip: do you have wordtranslation feature ?
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> mado: could bet anything
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> mado: its gonna write 1s and 0s to your drive
[21:28] <stdin> the command "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/yourhd" will overwrite the whole drive with 0's
[21:28] <stdin> think "factory reset"
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> mado: if you use MoD setting it'll do 6 passes and is sufficient for the ministry of defence
[21:29] <ShadowKnight> EM pulse all the way.
[21:29] <mado> i don't want to kill myself ShadowKnight :)
[21:29] <zipper> What happend to good old fashioned magnets?
[21:29] <stdin> give it a few blasts from /dev/urandom then /dev/zero ;)
[21:29] <ShadowKnight> EM pulses don't kill you! You've been watching too much Star Trek.
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> lyhana8: not sure, i dont use that function
[21:30] <mado> it could kill me ... what if was a machine instead of a human? :)
[21:30] <mado> sorry!
[21:30] <mado> didn't want to sound that crazy :)
[21:31] <ShadowKnight> I'm assuming your not an IRC bot, or I'm calling the FBI. Rogue AI! Run for your lives!!
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> lyhana8: install it, if its not for you, uninstall
[21:31] <lyhana8> i just install it 15m ago
[21:31] <mado> i am a human ... i'm just ... well ... let it put that way ... i'm just trying out to say some crazy things sometimes
[21:32] <ShadowKnight> lyhana8 , google translations aren't too reliable, but they basically do the job.
[21:32] <ShadowKnight> If mind not read message this like.
[21:33] <lyhana8> ShadowKnight: yes i know, i use it only for word translation not page translation and often double check with stardict
[21:33] <mado> one more thing guys ... i'm sorry but i can't find the function on the cd
[21:33] <joker123> hello room
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> hi joker123
[21:33] <joker123> how are  you to day
[21:33] <ShadowKnight> Hi joker123
[21:33] <mado> because there are more than one as it seems
[21:33] <lyhana8> hi joker123
[21:34] <ShadowKnight> lyhana8 so what's the trouble?
[21:34] <lyhana8> i used it on Fx2, but it was not supported on Fx3 until few days
[21:35] <ShadowKnight> Right. So the problem is/
[21:35] <ShadowKnight> ?
[21:35] <joker123> i am new to linuxs  can enny one help me figure out why my 2nd hard drive isnt reading
[21:35] <lg188> wat is the extesion of a script that normaly is typed in cosole ?
[21:35] <lyhana8> ShadowKnight:  but now i can't find the tool tabs
[21:35] <mado> i hope you're not mad at me ShadowKnight
[21:35] <ShadowKnight> Why, mado?
[21:35] <lg188> Konsole
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> lg188: anything you want
[21:35] <lg188> ?
[21:35] <mado> because i said some silly things
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> lg188: sh ./scriptname.thisisascript
[21:35] <willluongo> joker: Do you know if it is mounted?
[21:35] <lg188> just a plain text is also good
[21:35] <ShadowKnight> So? This is irc.
[21:36] <lg188> oh kk
[21:36] <lg188> thnx
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> lg188: just chmod u+x it
[21:36] <joker123> it dosnt seam to want to mount
[21:36] <mado> well ... you shouldn't think that i'm a dumb person
[21:36] <mado> or crazy
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> lg188: file extensions dont mean masses in linux
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> lg188: thats a dos constriction that windows still panders to
[21:36] <ShadowKnight> What I think is that you're over-defensive, mado
[21:37] <ShadowKnight> The general form is .sh lg188 .
[21:37] <mado> do you mean that because i want to erase and overwrite my hdd?
[21:37] <willluongo> joker123: Did you add the hard drive after installing Linux?
[21:38] <ShadowKnight> No, because you're afraid you sound crazy.
[21:38] <joker123> this is a hole new exp for me i am trying to lern how to build  progs an such but i am all to new at this .
[21:38] <ShadowKnight> I don't mind sounding crazy.
[21:38] <ShadowKnight> Watch:
[21:38] <ShadowKnight> Squirrel.
[21:38] <ShadowKnight> See?
[21:38] <ShadowKnight> Crazy.
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> you crazym ShadowKnight
[21:38] <joker123> i think it is installed
[21:38] <ShadowKnight> Why thank you ActionParsnip .
[21:39] <mado> well ... i'm not always like that ... i just want to try it out sometimes to write some nonsense
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> does anyone know how long a kipper is? my chinese blunderbuss malfunctioned when i ingested a kernel module
[21:39] <willluongo> joker123: what I mean is did you physically add the hard drive after your linux was already installed on the first?
[21:40] <joker123> it was alredy in the comp
[21:40] <ShadowKnight> The alpha phase reductor is going into anti-gravity mass! Launch escape zig!
[21:40] <joker123> srry
[21:40] <mado> zig? ... that reminds me of the game that hasn't been translated quite good
[21:41] <Rioting_pacifist> does anybody know where i can find out about using sudo in scripts (or more precisely not using it)?
[21:41] <mado> ShadowKnight, ... look at this ... it doesn't support "ext3" http://dban.sourceforge.net/features.html
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: in what way?
[21:41] <mado> that's one of the programs that is on the cd
[21:41] <lyhana8> why does Fx3 always reset the hiding status of my toolbar (google, webdev, etc.)
[21:42] <willluongo> joker123: what does it say when you type df -h into a konsole (or hit alt-f2)
[21:42] <Rioting_pacifist> well ive written a script to unload my modules when my wireless card is turned off, but i dont want to be prompted for my password everytime this happens.
[21:42] <ShadowKnight> Well, I honestly don't know much about filesystems.
[21:43] <mado> ok :)
[21:43] <mado> ActionParsnip, ... what do you say? ...
[21:43] <joker123> nuthing
[21:43] <ShadowKnight> Really, the best way to protect the data would be to toss the hard disks into the furnace. Reselling them is not a good idea.
[21:43] <mado> http://dban.sourceforge.net/features.html ... looks like this program on the cd doesn't support "ext3"
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: dont you need sudo to turn the card off?
[21:43] <joker123> the box went a way .
[21:43] <ShadowKnight> lyhana8 what is the name of your plugin?
[21:44] <Rioting_pacifist> ActionParsnip: no theres a physical switch that turns it on/off
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> mado: it doesnt matter whats on there, its gonna blast 1s and 0s, or you coulld  repartition with fdisk, not format it then run it
[21:44] <willluongo> joker123: sorry, just do it directly in a terminal (konsole)
[21:44] <lyhana8> it's the official google toolbar 3
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: ahh i see
[21:44] <joker123> what do you mean
[21:44] <willluongo> joker123: hit alt-f2 then type konsole
[21:45] <willluongo> then type df -h in the little box that comes up
[21:45] <Rioting_pacifist> im not sure if i should do something freaky with setuid or do something freaky with sudo/sudoers or if im completly wrong
[21:45] <lyhana8> ShadowKnight: Google Toolbar version 3.1.20080605L
[21:45] <mado> well guys ... i think i will just try it out then
[21:46] <joker123> ill be back in a minut
[21:46] <ShadowKnight> Hmm... Well, I've never used that plugin, so I can't really help you, sorry lyhana8
[21:46] <mado> if i have another question i will use my brother's computer to ask you or other guys
[21:46] <nightrow> i'm looking for a mp3 player like xmms, which seems not to be packaged in recent kubuntu releases. Any idea on a lightweight player ? (amarok is way too big and complicated for what i need)
[21:47] <Rioting_pacifist> !xmms
[21:47] <Jahromeo> anyone around to toss me a bit of help wrt grub and error 17?
[21:47] <Rioting_pacifist> nightrow: i think there is either xmms2 or beep
[21:47] <Jahromeo> !grub
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> nightrow: aplay is good or mplayer
[21:47] <lyhana8> ShadowKnight: -.- i explain which addons it was since the beginning, you're crazy XD
[21:47] <joker123> im back
[21:47] <nightrow> xmms2 is more a client/server i think ? don't want to bother with complicated configuration
[21:48] <Rioting_pacifist> isnt audacious a 'big' player (ala amarok)?
[21:48] <ShadowKnight> Yes lyhana8, yes I am.
[21:49] <Jahromeo> I have windows on 1 drive, Kubuntu on another - but i just installed kubuntu after windows was installed and now the grub is throwing out error 17 - both os's are on 2 sep hdd's
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> Jahromeo: does it boot either system?
[21:49] <Jahromeo> no it just says grub error 17
[21:50] <joker123> when i typ hf-h into the konsole it says  comand not found
[21:50] <Jahromeo> ActionParsnip:  it just says grub error 17
[21:50] <Jahromeo> my windows is on a 320gb sata and my kubuntu on a 40gb ide - which i partioned as 20/20 and will shortly be moving my new windows install to that drive
[21:50] <Jahromeo> so as to free up the 320 gb for media
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> Jahromeo:  what does grub error 17 mean?
[21:51] <Jahromeo> ActionParsnip:  i dont know thats all it says
[21:51] <Jahromeo> grub - error 17
[21:51] <Jahromeo> hence im here
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> Jahromeo: www.google.com
[21:51] <Jahromeo> ActionParsnip:  couldnt boot into anything - on the livcd atm, despite the fact kubuntu is installed
[21:51] <ShadowKnight> It might be on the ubuntu forums, Jahromeo http://ubuntuforums.org/
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> Jahromeo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=442945
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> Jahromeo: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=120802
[21:52] <joker123> willuongo  it says com not found
[21:52] <Jahromeo> thanks
[21:53] <Jahromeo> looking at that as is
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> Jahromeo: thats in a gentoo forum but grub is grub
[21:53] <willluongo> joker123: When does it say that?
[21:53] <joker123> willuongo i typed it in and hit enter then it says it
[21:54] <ShadowKnight> Hmm... this is strange. Has anyone had trouble recording with audacity in Hardy Kubuntu?
[21:54] <willluongo> joker: when you typed in konsole?
[21:54] <Jahromeo> seems to be bios related
[21:54] <joker123> yes
[21:54] <willluongo> joker123: are you sure you are running Kubuntu then?
[21:54] <joker123> yes  i insalled it last knigh t
[21:55] <Jahromeo> rebooting
[21:55] <Jahromeo> thanks
[21:55] <poon> i've got a question
[21:56] <poon> i've got a question, i'm trying to set up a jailed ssh system for my clients to login to my box and edit thier files.. I've been googling for quite some time but no luck :/
[21:56] <willluongo> joker123: Are you sure you spelled it correctly? alternatively, in the kmenu --> System you can select konsole
[21:56] <poon> when someone gets a chance, any help would be greatly appreciated :D
[21:56] <joker123> fd-hi have it up
[21:57] <willluongo> joker123: df -h
[21:57] <joker123> srry i hav the konsolke up
[21:57] <willluongo> !ask | poon
[21:57] <joker123> konsloe
[21:58] <willluongo> joker123: now type df -h into the konsole
[21:58] <lyhana8> poon you need a ssh server, add it as default rc
[21:58] <poon> i'm already running the ssh server
[21:59] <joker123> it says
[21:59] <joker123> df-h: command not found
[21:59] <willluongo> joker123: you need the space
[22:00] <joker123> what do you mean i nead the space
[22:00] <zipper> I have 2 soundcards in my pc. One onboard, and an audigy2. I have a keyboard with volume control keys (logitech ultraX) and they work perfect, the OSD volume thing shows up, but there is no actual change in volume. I had to use asoundconf to set my audigy as default instead of the onboard card. How do i make the volume keys work with this setup? There must be somewhere you can specify what soundcard the keys are connected to....?
[22:00] <lyhana8> poon
[22:00] <lyhana8> install :
[22:00] <lyhana8>  sudo aptitude install openssh-server
[22:00] <lyhana8>  update-rc.d ssh defaults
[22:00] <lyhana8> usage :
[22:00] <lyhana8>  ssh user@ip_or_alias
[22:00] <lyhana8> or to enable launch of GUI :
[22:00] <lyhana8>  ssh -Y user@host
[22:00] <lyhana8> or using konqueror :
[22:00] <lyhana8>  fish://user@host
[22:00] <joker123> ok srr y it brough tsomthing els up
[22:00] <poon> ok lyhana8, then what to jail them?
[22:01] <poon> i've already got that package earlier today, so i'm ready for the next step
[22:01] <joker123> willuongo it only shows the on that it is installed on
[22:02] <mafesa83> hello people.... how are you?
[22:02] <willluongo> joker123: I'm sorry I have to get going, hopefully someone else will be able to help you further from this point.
[22:02] <joker123> ty for helping me this fare
[22:02] <ShadowKnight> Hello mafesa83
[22:03] <lyhana8> poon do YOU manage to access your server from another computer ?
[22:03] <mafesa83> my lenguage of english  is bad
[22:03] <poon> yeah lyhana8
[22:04] <Jahromeo> meh k so that didnt help - grub 17 error upon installing kubuntu to a seperate hardrive than the existing win xp install - any ideas how to fix?
[22:04] <poon> the ssh server is up and running, has been for months, but i'm taking on new clients and they need shells.. i just want to jail them so they cant leave thier directories
[22:05] <lyhana8> poon jail them ? you mean on a specific folder ?
[22:05] <poon> yes sir
[22:05] <ShadowKnight> jahromeo, keep looking on ubuntu forums till you find something that helps you
[22:05] <mafesa83> you speaking in spanish?  <shadow knight>
[22:05] <ShadowKnight> No, sorry mafesa83
[22:05] <Jahromeo> meh its a pain in the ass to keep resetting
[22:05] <Jahromeo> i only got 1 pc
[22:05] <Jahromeo> so icant stay on irc
[22:05] <mafesa83> ummm..... ni modos
[22:07] <lyhana8> poon i think you will do this with user/group right
[22:07] <poon> well i was looking for a different way to do it
[22:07] <mafesa83> i'm problem  of the kmail and configuration of hotmail
[22:07] <poon> half is because every time i try to set it up so only one person can look at one file, i mess it up
[22:07] <ShadowKnight> Oh, well I can't get kmail to work at all mafesa83 , sorry.
[22:07] <Jahromeo> what can i type in konsole to get a list of my partitiions/hdds?
[22:08] <ShadowKnight> Did you try change file permissions for directories, poon ?
[22:08] <poon> i'm not sure the approach i should take to do that ShadowKnight
[22:08] <mafesa83> ok
[22:08] <ShadowKnight> Just use chmod on directories.
[22:08] <poon> i've tried to do it via groups but :/
[22:09] <poon> i suppose i could make a group for every person, and limit thier /home/<user> directory to only thier group
[22:09] <mafesa83> bay
[22:09] <ShadowKnight> That could work poon
[22:09] <poon> but how do you chmod a directory for groups again?
[22:10] <ShadowKnight> http://www.linuxcommand.org/lts0070.php#chgrp poon
[22:10] <poon> thanks man
[22:10] <Lupus> Hello everybody :) Question about sound/audio/alsa/skype/etc - I'm trying to setup my system to be able to record things and I've had limited success but I've managed to set the default recording channel with amixer to 'MIX' to record basicly everything which I was certain would work... but if skype plays a sound or as it seems tries to use the sound system... the recording is interupted - What can I do?
[22:12] <Lupus> This is not the case with my OTHER applications which, instead, either get recorded (yay) or claim the device is busy
[22:13] <Lupus> What I need to do is allow my mic to be recorded by skype.... and everything by audacity
[22:13] <ShadowKnight> try setting audacity to record only audio out.
[22:14] <Lupus> I don't know if I'm being clear enough
[22:14] <Lupus> I need to record my mic and everything from skype... how does one do this?
[22:14] <Lupus> !skype
[22:14] <Lupus> That said... I had o success with the Skype Recording HowTo
[22:15] <Lupus> Might just be the version I'm using, but theres no vsound package on hardy
[22:15] <ShadowKnight> Did you activate all your repositories?
[22:16] <Lupus> Yes!
[22:16] <ShadowKnight> Did you have the vsound package on any older versions of kubuntu?
[22:16] <poon> hey ShadowKnight, i cant seem to find the command to add a person to a group, do you know it off the top of your head
[22:17] <Lupus> ShadowKnight: No, before this I never knew that such a package existed
[22:17] <ShadowKnight> no, but I can find it poon hold on.
[22:18] <Z0RG> À òóò êòî-íèáóäü ðàçãîâàðèâàåò ïî-ðóññêè? )
[22:18] <zipper> I have a keyboard with volume keys. When i press them, the volume picture-thingie shows up, but i have 2 soundcards and apparently it changes the volume for the wrong soundcard. How can i make those key affect all soundcards, or just the right one?
[22:19] <Level15> zipper: fix sound card numbering by inserting modules in the approrpiate order
[22:20] <zipper> How to do that?
[22:20] <ShadowKnight> poon, heres a tutorial http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialManagingGroups.html
[22:20] <Nece228> i have problem, i cant watch youtube clips in konqueror
[22:20] <zipper> i just used asoundconf set-default-card to specify what card i want to use
[22:20] <ShadowKnight> It includes group creation.
[22:20] <Level15> zipper: mess up your modules.conf or the like
[22:20] <Nece228> i see only grey screen
[22:20] <ShadowKnight> Nece228 do you have Adobe Flash Player installed?
[22:21] <Nece228> sure
[22:21] <Nece228> and in firefox everythoml works fine
[22:21] <Nece228> *everythink
[22:21] <zipper> Level15, uhm... okay....
[22:21] <Nece228> in konqueror and opera i cant watch clips
[22:22] <zipper> Anyone know how to do what level15 is suggesting?
[22:22] <Nece228> i hear the sound of clip but the clip screen is gray
[22:22] <ShadowKnight> Well, I'm not sure if flash is supported in konq and opera
[22:22] <Odd-rationale> flash is supported in konqueror and opera.
[22:23] <Nece228> yeah, and flash games working fine in konqueror
[22:23] <ShadowKnight> Hmm.
[22:23] <Z0RG> I'm see flash in Firefox, all good +)
[22:23] <Level15> zipper: look for your modules.conf or modprobe.conf or something like that on etc. there, write which modules you want on what order
[22:24] <Nece228> i see clips in firefox, but i dont see them in opera and konq
[22:25] <ShadowKnight> So, err... Just use firefox. It's faster and more secure anyway.
[22:25] <Z0RG> oooh understand you )
[22:25] <Z0RG> I know how fix this problem
[22:25] <Z0RG> Use Firefox! =)))
[22:26] <Nece228> i hate firefox
[22:26] <zipper> level15, all i could find was /etc/modeprobe.d/alsa-base - but as far as i can see, both soundcards are set to index = -2... whatever that means
[22:26] <Nece228> memory hog
[22:26] <ShadowKnight> Actually, the new version uses less memory than opera
[22:26] <Nece228> and opera is still faster than ff
[22:26] <ShadowKnight> Did you install Firefox 3?
[22:26] <Level15> zipper: not sure, but try setting the one you want controlled by the keyborad buttons to index 0 and the other one to 1, reboot and try
[22:26] <Level15> it might just work
[22:26] <Nece228> it working slower
[22:26] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: here. try this. download the tarball from adobe (http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz)
[22:26] <Nece228> it runs slower
[22:27] <zipper> worth a try, thanks.... now to the joy of figuring out which of these unreadible lines are connected to my soundcard....
[22:27] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: extract it, but ignore the inxtructions...
[22:27] <Z0RG> hmmm in version 3.0 fix many memory leaks
[22:27] <Odd-rationale> instructions...
[22:27] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: tell me when you got that....
[22:27] <Jahromeo> man i hate bloody installs that dont work
[22:27] <Jahromeo> makes me doubt linux
[22:27] <ShadowKnight> You can see your installed driver in opera by going to tools/advanced/plugins
[22:28] <ShadowKnight> *driver = plugin
[22:29] <Nece228> i extracted
[22:30] <rimen> can someone help me with source.list
[22:30] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: ok. now create a folder called ~/.netscape/plugins
[22:30] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: remember it is case-sensitive. and don't forget the "."
[22:30] <Jahromeo> ARGG I HATE FREAKING KUBUNTU WHEN IT FREAKS OUT
[22:30] <Jahromeo> man im a bloody noob and it makes it hard
[22:30] <Jahromeo> grrr
[22:31] <Nece228> ok i created
[22:31] <rimen> can someone help me with source.list, I realy need help
[22:31] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: now move/copy the libflashplayer.so that you extracted to ~/.netscape/plugins
[22:32] <ShadowKnight> any luck, poon?
[22:32] <Nece228> ok
[22:32] <Nece228> i did
[22:32] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: you created 2 folders. right? put "plugins" inside ".netscape"?
[22:32] <Nece228> yeah
[22:32] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: just checking... :P
[22:33] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: now go to konqueror --> settings --> configure konqueror --> plugins
[22:33] <doflex> acabo de instalar kubuntu a ver si aprendo algo , viva linux
[22:34] <Schuenemann> I just turned on my computer and it seems KDE is using some sort of zoom and I can't see the whole screen. The screen "pans" whenever the mouse touches the border. How do I disable this annoying feature?
[22:34] <mooperd> how do I check if my pen drive is bootable? I have been trying to set up a kubuntu usb pen but it wont boot. it just gets to Veryfying DMI pool data.......
[22:34] <doflex> jajajajaja, que pasa que nadie dice viva !!!!!
[22:34] <Nece228> ok
[22:34] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: in the plugin file path list, make sure $HOME/.netscape/plugins is at the top.
[22:34] <Nece228> ok
[22:34] <Nece228> i did that
[22:35] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: then click "scan for new plugins" --> save
[22:35] <zipper> How do i enable fan-control? Right now both my GPU and CPU is running on full speed - permanently (core2duo and geforce 8600)
[22:35] <Nece228> ok i did that
[22:35] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: double-check the plugins tab to make sure that it detects the flashplayer
[22:36] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: then restart konqueror. and try going to http://www.youtube.com/
[22:36] <Nece228> it detected
[22:36] <ShadowKnight> Schuenemann : Your resolution is probably too high. Lower it by right clicking on the desktop and selecting configure desktop
[22:37] <ShadowKnight> Actually, wait.
[22:37] <ShadowKnight> In the new version, it should be in the K menu
[22:37] <Schuenemann> I switched to 1440x900 and nothing changed
[22:38] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: thanks, now its working
[22:38] <ShadowKnight> That's still very high. What does your monitor support?
[22:38] <Schuenemann> actually no resolution is changing anything
[22:38] <Schuenemann> it supports 1440x900, that what I've been using
[22:38] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: same in opera. i don't remember where the plugins config settings are. but point it to the ~/.netscape/plugins/libflashplayer.so file
[22:38] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: good luck!
[22:38] <Schuenemann> ShadowKnight, I'll shut X down. brb
[22:38] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: thanks!
[22:40] <Schuenemann> ShadowKnight, it's better now
[22:40] <Schuenemann> very weird though
[22:40] <reese> hi! i've installed firefox 3, but internet doesn't work on it
[22:40] <ShadowKnight> Why weird/
[22:40] <ShadowKnight> ?
[22:41] <reese> how can I switch from offline mode to online mode?
[22:41] <Schuenemann> first, because I didn't change it. Second, because I had to restart X to see the changes.
[22:42] <ShadowKnight> Hmm... That is weird.
[22:52] <Z0RG> reese: file -> uncheck "work offline" ?
[22:53] <reese> solved it, thanks
[22:53] <Z0RG> There is nothing )
[22:57] <ShadowKnight> hmm... I'm having an interesting problem. This is the first time I'm using Audacity in Hardy, and it worked fine in LTS, but now Audacity and in fact any sound recorders just freeze when I try to record. Can someone help me?
[23:00] <Z0RG> sorry man i don't know )
[23:01] <zipper> I have a keyboard with volume keys (logitech ultraX). When i press them, the volume OSD-thingie shows up, but i have 2 soundcards and apparently it changes the volume for the wrong soundcard. How can i make those key affect all soundcards, or maybe just the right one?
[23:01] <Z0RG> At me happens freezy amarok but it is not connected in any way with record
[23:02] <Z0RG> [01:19] <Level15> zipper: fix sound card numbering by inserting modules in the approrpiate order
[23:02] <ShadowKnight> mmm. Sounds like this is a widespread problem then Z0RG
[23:03] <zipper> Z0RG, Yeah, i need some help doing that. Cant find the file where the soundcard modules are specified. I wanted to ask level15 but he left =/
[23:05] <blistov> i accidentally installed using Canadian key layout, but the console can't deal with the accents.How do I switch it back to US?
[23:06] <ShadowKnight> Try installing SCIM
[23:06] <zipper> Z0RG, if you know anything about this, it would be greatly appriciated
[23:06] <Z0RG> Excuse, but I think, that I cannot help you with this question. At most there was no necessity to be engaged in such distortions:)
[23:07] <ShadowKnight> Or, blistov, you can go to systemsettings/regional_and_language and try changing it.
[23:07] <blistov> Thats kde.
[23:07] <blistov> not my tty's man.
[23:07] <blistov> its system wide.
[23:08] <blistov> In most distro's it'd just be in /etc/
[23:08] <blistov> Normaly configured in /etc/locales
[23:08] <ShadowKnight> Right. So go to system_settings/regional_and_language and install the US language pack. It should work for all environments.
[23:08] <blistov> That doesn't change it system wie.
[23:09] <blistov> wide.
[23:09] <blistov> only in kde
[23:11] <ShadowKnight> Well, SCIM works system wide and emulates basically any language, so you could use that.
[23:16] <oblenob> I am moving over to kubuntu tomorrow :) when I will finally say goodbye to Micro$oft windows
[23:16] <oblenob> :)
[23:16] <dorian_> is kubuntu better than ubuntu?
[23:17] <dorian_> i ave ubuntu 8.04 lts
[23:17] <dorian_> have
[23:17] <dorian_> :)
[23:17] <dorian_> Let me know when you install it
[23:17] <dorian_> oops
[23:17] <dorian_> :(
[23:19] <ShadowKnight> oblenob: make sure everything works in kubuntu before getting rid of windows!
[23:20] <Tonren> Can someone help me enable 256 colors mode for Konsole, please?
[23:21] <blistov> I just want my locale back to en_US.
[23:21] <Tonren> blistov: sudo locale-gen en_US.UTF-8
[23:21] <Tonren> blistov: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[23:22] <blistov> will that actually switch the default locale?
[23:23] <Tonren> blistov: Ooh.  I'm not sure.  Hmmm.
[23:24] <blistov> Neither.
[23:24] <blistov> Gentoo I know how :)
[23:26] <dorian_> i am downloading kubuntu
[23:27] <DariToK> ey, does any body have a list of servers to conect to efnet?
[23:28] <DariToK> ???
[23:37] <r0cks0ul> hi need a littile help here making a parition active
[23:37] <r0cks0ul> and boot
[23:37] <r0cks0ul> i've done it before but i forgot hehe
[23:39] <ShadowKnight> Oh well, I'm leaving, everyone. Bye.
[23:41] <genii> r0cks0ul: From gui or commandline?
[23:43] <jp88> hi err im having probs booting into kubuntu
[23:46] <genii> jp88:  More details concerning the exact problem or message might help in diagnosing the isue
[23:47] <rickest> 42!
[23:49] <jp88> genii: i updated the os with the latest patches. i restarted and then before the grub screen can load up the machine reboots itself everytime. I used the livecd to check and when i try to mount the drive it says something about bad superblock or something like that. Basically it wont let me mount my ubuntu drive. What do i do??
[23:50] <genii> jp88: By "latest patches" you mean you ran the Adept Updater, or perhaps   sudo apt-get upgrade              or similar? Or something else entirely?
[23:51] <jp88> this thing just popped up and told me to download the latest patches and stuff to fix vulnerabilities
[23:51] <jp88> so i did
[23:51] <genii> OK.
[23:53] <jp88> Any hints???
[23:54] <genii> jp88: Have you tried to boot to the Recovery Mode kernel? eg: interrupt grub boot with esc key then select it from the list. Then you could run the file system check on the drive
[23:55] <SnoopyDog> hello
[23:55] <jp88> genii: i cant even get there. before it gives me the countdown the machine reboots
[23:56] <SnoopyDog> i have GNOME on my ubuntu and i recently installed kweather, so am I suppose to have KDE on my system too or no need to?
[23:56] <genii> jp88: Did you re-set your bios lately or so?
[23:56] <jp88> nope
[23:56] <zipper> SnoopyDog, only if you want the KDE window manager. There is nothing stopping you from installing kde applications and running them in gnome (or the other way around)
[23:57] <Ange|us> SnoopyDog: you're snoop dogg the rapper?
[23:57] <genii> jp88: I've seen where the hd geometry got changed in the bios from LBA to something else and it acted exactly as you describe
[23:57]  * SnoopyDog looks at Ange|us and shakes his head: no.
[23:58] <Ange|us> ok
[23:58] <jp88> genii: by geometry u mean boot sequence or am i lost
[23:58]  * SnoopyDog wonders if everyone forgot about Snoopy on Charlie Brown cartoons.
[23:58] <Ange|us> lo
[23:58] <Ange|us> *lol
[23:58] <SnoopyDog> eh
[23:58] <genii> jp88: From the cd can you run fsck on the old / ?
[23:58] <SnoopyDog> in order for KDE applications to work, must have KDE windows manager ?
[23:59] <jp88> genii: im a noob. do i boot into the os first


[00:16] <thumper> mhall119:
[00:16] <thumper> mhall119: ping?
[00:17] <mhall119> thumper: pong
[00:17] <thumper> mhall119: hey, just trying to chase down how to get contributors to sign the copyright assignment thingy
[00:18] <mhall119> well it's not an assignment anymore, right?  It's a broad copyright grant
[00:18] <thumper> mhall119: I have no idea what it is these days
[00:19] <thumper> what is it now?
[00:19] <thumper> and how to they sign / use it?
[00:21] <mhall119> hmmm, ubuntu.com appear to be having some drupal issues atm
[00:23] <mhall119> thumper: it's up on the website somewhere, unfortunately the site appears to be down
[00:23] <thumper> :(
[00:23] <thumper> mhall119: I'm guessing "the website somewhere" could be quite a lot to search through :)
[00:24] <mhall119> yeah
[00:24] <thumper> heh
[00:24]  * thumper has munchies
[00:24] <thumper> time for lunch
[00:25] <mhall119> time for dinner
[01:59] <AnthonyHu> hellow.
[10:53] <jussi> Hrm, I had a thought - perhaps it could be nice to have the indicator icon highlighted a different colour for different things. ie. for empathy or chat messages, it could be blue, for thunderbird or email, it could be green etc etc
[10:56] <jussi> also, can someone explain to me why on one laptop the dash covers the whole screen, and the other only part?
[10:57] <seb128> jussi, the dash depends of the screen resolution, i.e on netbooks where it would take 90% of the screen it doesn't make sense to not take the screen space
[10:57] <seb128> jussi, the color stuff was suggested in the past, there is probably a bug in launchpad about it
[10:58] <jussi> seb128: thats strange, as one is 1366x768 (fullscreen dash) and the other 1280x800 (partial screen dash)
[10:59] <seb128> jussi, you maybe clicked once on the button in the panel?
[10:59] <seb128> it keeps the state
[10:59] <jussi> seb128: so how do I make both of them to be full screen?
[10:59] <seb128> i.e when the dash is open you have control similar to the wm ones on the panel
[11:00] <jussi> (also, as a side note gnome control center crashes all the time, and when I try send a bug, it also crashes :/)
[11:00] <seb128> jussi, you click on small round icon with a square in the left of the unity panel when the dash is open
[11:00] <seb128> the white one
[11:00] <jussi> ahhh, I hadnt seen that thing before
[11:01] <jussi> right, thanks for that!
[11:02] <seb128> jussi, yw
[11:03] <jussi> seb128: Im reportign the bug now with g-c-c via ubuntu-bug, Are the people here those who will help debug/fix? or do I need to go find someone else?
[11:04] <seb128> jussi, if you don't let apport catch the issue and report a bug with the dump the bug is not going to be useful
[11:06] <jussi> seb128: apport crashed when trying to report it...
[11:06] <seb128> did you report that bug?
[11:07] <jussi> not yet - just got through reportign the g-c-c one - here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1007356
[11:08] <seb128> can you get a stacktrace with gdb?
[11:08] <jussi> perhaps, if youll instruct me how to do it?
[11:08] <seb128> jussi, gdb gnome-control-center
[11:08] <seb128> you will get a (gdb) prompt
[11:09] <seb128> type "run" on it and validate
[11:09] <seb128> get the issue, g-c-c will freeze
[11:09] <seb128> go back to where you ran gdb and type "backtrace"
[11:09] <seb128> copy the log to the bug
[11:12] <jussi> seb128: added to the bug
[11:13] <mhr3> seb128, `gdb -b -ex run -ex -bt gnome-control-center` ;)
[11:13] <seb128> mhr3, hehe
[11:13] <mhr3> and ideally pipe it to pastebin :)
[11:14] <seb128> jussi, can you install gnome-control-center-dbgsym libglib2.0-0-dbg libgtk-3-0-dbgsym
[11:14] <jussi> E: Unable to locate package gnome-control-center-dbgsym
[11:14] <jussi> E: Unable to locate package libgtk-3-0-dbgsym
[11:16] <seb128> jussi, you need a ddeb apt source
[11:16] <seb128> jussi, i.e add "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ precise main restricted universe multiverse" to your sources.list (and the same for precise-updates and precise-proposed if you use those)
[11:17] <jussi> what are those and why arent they there already?
[11:17] <seb128> jussi, they are the servers which debug packages, and they are not on by default because debugs are not an user thing
[11:18] <seb128> which->with
[11:18] <seb128> jussi, you are supposed to let apport report the bug and the retracing happens on the server side
[11:18] <seb128> but apport is buggy for you
[11:18] <seb128> you should maybe report the apport issue, get it solved and then submit the bug the normal way
[11:19] <jussi> lets finish this now we have started - sec
[11:22] <jussi> right, installed. now gdb again?
[11:22] <seb128> yes
[11:23] <seb128> same as before
[11:23] <seb128> the log should have debug symbols this time
[11:23] <jussi> put it on the bug ?
[11:23] <seb128> yes
[11:24] <jussi> done
[11:25] <seb128> jussi, do you have unity-2d-common installed? what version?
[11:26] <jussi> jussi@squirrel:~$ apt-cache policy unity-2d-common
[11:26] <jussi> unity-2d-common:
[11:26] <jussi>   Installed: 5.12.0-0ubuntu1
[11:26] <jussi>   Candidate: 5.12.0-0ubuntu1
[11:27] <seb128> jussi, locate com.canonical.Unity2d.gschema.xml
[11:27] <jussi> jussi@squirrel:~$ locate com.canonical.Unity2d.gschema.xml
[11:27] <jussi> /home/jussi/ubuntu-tv/trunk/data/com.canonical.Unity2d.gschema.xml
[11:27] <jussi> /usr/local/share/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.Unity2d.gschema.xml
[11:27] <jussi> /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.Unity2d.gschema.xml
[11:27] <seb128> jussi, that's your issue: /usr/local/share/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.Unity2d.gschema.xml
[11:28] <seb128> you have a local build leftoever which is missing keys which are in the current version
[11:28] <jussi> ahh
[11:28] <seb128> that's taking over the system version
[11:28] <jussi> thanks very much - let me see if I can somehow uninstall that old ubuntu-tv stuff
[11:29] <seb128> jussi, rm the local schemas dir otherwise
[11:30] <jussi> seb128: works now - thanks incredibly much, and well done for spotting it.
[11:30] <seb128> jussi, you're welcome
[11:31] <jussi> As an added bonus, I now know how to use gdb in a very basic way, which will assist in helping others fix stuff :)
[11:33] <jussi> btw, while I am here, is there a virtual keyboard for unity? Id like to be able to use my touch screen laptop if possible...
[11:34] <seb128> onboard is what is installed with Ubuntu
[11:35] <jussi> thanks
[12:34] <pavolzetor> hi, I wonder why compiz is used instead of clutter
[12:53] <mhall119> Because compiz was way ahead of clutter when the choice was made
[13:18] <JanC> s/clutter/mutter/  ;)
[14:24] <mterry> Hello!  I've got a bamf question.  Say I've got an app that has one window.  Then I close that one window.  Then I open a new window.  It appears that bamf will hide the launcher icon after the first close and not show any icon for the second window.  Is that expected?
[14:27] <mterry> MacSlow, ^ Is someone other than Jason knowledgeable about such bamf stuff?
[14:27] <seb128> mterry, hey, what unity version do you use?
[14:27] <seb128> mterry, package version
[14:27] <mterry> seb128, 5.12-0ubuntu1
[14:27] <seb128> mterry, it's fixed in 1.1
[14:28] <seb128> that's bug #995916
[14:28] <seb128> mterry, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/5.12-0ubuntu1.1
[14:28] <mterry> seb128, you're the best! Let me try it out
[14:29]  * mterry grumbles that they are supposed to upload to quantal first, per SRU process
[14:29] <seb128> mterry, the version was uploaded to quantal but failed to build with the new toolchain, those build issues are being worked
[14:29] <seb128> mterry, ^
[14:29] <mterry> ah
[14:35] <MacSlow> mterry, kamstrup and mhr3 know a bit about it too afaik
[14:37] <mhr3> mterry, Trevinho is the expert ;)
[14:38] <mterry> MacSlow, mhr3: Ah, cool.  But actually the current SRU seems to have fixed my specific problem.
[14:38] <MacSlow> mterry, even better :)
[14:38] <mhr3> it did sound familiar, Trevinho was talking about it on the sprint :)
[14:39] <Trevinho> mhr3: mterry the issue is fixed in trunk
[14:39] <Trevinho> and in proposed
[14:39] <seb128> Trevinho, hey
[14:39] <mhr3> sorry to wake you from your slumber :P
[14:39] <seb128> Trevinho, until still doesn't like bamfdaemon to be killed :p
[14:39] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[14:39] <Trevinho> actually was more an unity/bamf issue...
[14:39] <seb128> until->unity
[14:40] <Trevinho> seb128: no? :o
[14:40] <Trevinho> It works to me
[14:40] <seb128> Trevinho, I was testing the "double icons after restarting bamf", I've now icons for stuff I closed that are still displayed as running in the launcher
[14:41] <seb128> i.e I did run gconf-editor, killed bamfdaemon, closed gconf-editor and it's stucked in my launcher as running now
[14:43] <Trevinho> oh seb128 you're playing too much with it :P
[14:43] <Trevinho> bamfdaemon is supposed to restart basically immediately
[14:43] <seb128> lol
[14:43] <Trevinho> yes, that has not been fixed... Let me think...
[14:44] <seb128> Trevinho, well in practice bamfdaemon doesn't segfault a lot nowadays so it's not much of an issue
[14:44] <Trevinho> that's the best thing :)
[14:45] <Trevinho> about the icon issue... well.. bamf deosn't say to unity when it's really up and down, so we can't just check if an app is still valid...
[14:45] <Trevinho> However, maybe I've something in mind that could help
[14:45] <Trevinho> place a bug for that, but it's very low prio at the moment :)
[14:47] <Trevinho> probably bamf-factory could just mark as closed the views that have not be reopened... but it's not that easy right now... with gdbus it could be better
[14:49] <seb128> Trevinho, I will not bother for now, as you said it's low priority ;-)
[15:28] <mterry> mhr3, Trevinho: So I'm swapping between two windows in my app.  And in between (one is hidden, the other isn't shown yet), bamf temporarily hides the launcher icon.  Is there a libunity call I can make to keep the icon around for a while?
[15:37] <mhr3> if there is, it'd be a hack
[15:39] <mhr3> iirc app indicators were capable of such things
[15:41] <mhr3> mterry, but i'd suggest to use a notebook widget :P
[15:41] <mterry> mhr3, I think I found a way around it, by rijiggering when they hide/show
[16:58] <mhall119> tedg: ping
[16:58] <mhall119> tedg: somebody has written some code to get Java Swing window menus in the Global Menu
[16:58] <mhall119> http://hanynowsky.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/integration-of-java-swing-applications-with-unity-global-menu-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[16:58] <tedg> Nice
[16:59] <mhall119> is that something we can patch into our OpenJDK/Icedtea packages so it'll just work for all Swing apps?
[16:59] <tedg> I have no clue.
[17:00] <tedg> Seem possible, but I don't know how all the Java stuff works.
[17:01] <mhall119> seb128: ^^ any idea who I should talk to about carrying a distro patch for OpenJDK to enable Global Menu support?
[17:01] <seb128> mhall119, try doko or email ubuntu-devel list
[17:01] <mhall119> I'll contact the ML, thanks
[17:13] <jussi> small cry...
[17:14] <jussi> it seems totem is not compiled to do tv :/
[22:58] <heavensmile> I just want to say that I really like ubuntu unity