[12:01] <whiskers> Anlar: yes i know...the database stuff is still hoplelessly screwed unless you want to do things the hard way with psql and pgadmin3
[12:02] <Anlar> I just installed the OOo 2.beta and it's sweet. with database stuff and all. :)
[12:02] <gdh> theD3viL: Konversation, Kontact, Kopete, Konqueror. :)
[12:02] <theD3viL> you using Konqueror for your browser ??
[12:03] <gdh> Strange as it may seem, yes. It's a perfectly pleasant and complete application.
[12:03] <theD3viL> hm
[12:03] <gdh> The sites that require anything more are few and far-between.
[12:03] <theD3viL> popups?
[12:03] <Anlar> I am using konqueror too. haven't noticed any problems on any site yet.
[12:03] <gdh> I don't use warez / pr0n sites :)
[12:03] <Anlar> and webcleaner takes away all the banners and such anyways.
[12:04] <theD3viL> hmm
[12:04] <elric> hrm this is weird
[12:04] <theD3viL> i dont use pr0n sitez, but for friends www.serials.ws or somethink..
[12:04] <Anlar> it's actually quite good. and it transforms to pretty much every job instantly.
[12:05] <Anlar> like to the fish://
[12:05] <gdh> fish is lovely :) webdav is lovely :)
[12:05] <elric> i am trying to compile something and it says ncurses.h not found, on checking kynaptic says i have libncurses and ncurses installed
[12:05] <gdh> elric: you need the -dev packages
[12:05] <elric> ah
[12:05] <gdh> libncurses-dev
[12:05] <Anlar> I love the fish. it's awesome. I mean, it's the most simple, robust and easy way to share files.
[12:05] <theD3viL> :)
[12:06] <gdh> elric: expect a /lot/ of '-dev' requirement when compiling software
[12:06] <Anlar> to windows hosts as well.. just kick in cygwin-opensshd and voila.
[12:06] <elric> gdh, i am just not used to binary only distributions.
[12:06] <theD3viL> is it save to have java script enabled ?
[12:07] <Anlar> sure.
[12:07] <theD3viL> k :)
[12:08] <theD3viL> what about, can you make conquer that, it will be maximazed everytime i run it?
[12:08] <Anlar> yes, if you find it handy. just save the current profile when maximized.
[12:17] <whiskers> Anlar: i don't even know why ubuntu wants to compete with gentoo....so don't blame me for anything.....i am just reporting that the ubuntu needs more work
[12:18] <_ej> why are the fonts in kubuntu so funky?
[12:23] <theD3viL> Why konqueror wont start maximazed ?
[12:23] <Anlar> ubuntu isn't competing with gentoo in any way.
[12:23] <Anlar> and ooh, let's create a new database. :) and visually create some tables 8)
[12:23] <buz_> access user?
[12:23] <gdh> theD3viL: click on the konq launch icon, maximise the window, Window -> Save Profile 'Web Browsing'. close konq window
[12:24] <gdh> click the same icon again. it will open maximised
[12:24] <gdh> Settings menu rather than Window.
[12:24] <elric> what package do i need to install to get this directory: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build
[12:24] <gdh> linux-headers-386 probably
[12:25] <dangerous> hey... can someone help with setting up the new printer on kubuntu?
[12:25] <Anlar> oooh eye candy.. database management just like Access.. on ubuntu. whoo
[12:25] <buz_> linux headers shoudln't differ based on the cpu you use....
[12:25] <buz_> what app?
[12:25] <buz_> oo2?
[12:25] <whiskers> Anlar: that is right...visually create the tables, the fields, the quieries, and the report layouts for printing purposes...these things have had to be done since the days of dos and dbase
[12:25] <theD3viL> gdh, tnx working now :D
[12:25] <dangerous> at first, I have cups installed but i can't acces http://localhost:631
[12:25] <Anlar> whiskers: yup, doing that atm.. on kubuntu..
[12:26] <theD3viL> gdh, you think i can remove firefox now ?
[12:26] <gdh> theD3viL: There are a few shit sites out there (usually to do with online banking etc.) which you'll need FF for.
[12:26] <whiskers> Anlar: actually since the days of TRS-80 and thier database program...i forget the name but i remember it started with a P
[12:26] <gdh> theD3viL: disk space is cheap. FF is doing no harm by being installed
[12:27] <theD3viL> :)
[12:27] <whiskers> Anlar: before dbase was even thought of
[12:27] <buz_> personally i prefer FF anywy
[12:27] <buz_> extensions rock my boat
[12:27] <Anlar> I haven't had any other browser besides konq installed for the last umm.. what, 3 months? done banking and all :)
[12:28] <gdh> It depends if your bank are a pack of retards or not, really.
[12:28] <gdh> Mine are OK, I know a lot who aren't... req. IE 6 for some MS-Java applet they run, etc.
[12:28] <theD3viL> gdh, is popups dengoures ? ..
[12:28] <Anlar> yes, I have heard horror stories as well. these do strict standard stuff. w3c validator likes allthe pages etc
[12:29] <gdh> theD3viL: annoying, yes. dangerous, no.
[12:29] <theD3viL> tnx ;)
[12:29] <dangerous> :(
[12:32] <whiskers> Anlar: i think the original RAD database design program for TRS-80 was called Profile or something like that
[12:32] <whiskers> Anlar: before MSDOS or dbase was ever thought of
[12:33] <Anlar> who cares
[12:33] <whiskers> Anlar: well obviously you don't
[12:37] <buz_> my banks html interface works perfectly with FF
[12:37] <buz_> the java stuff wont work on ubuntu
[12:37] <buz_> even tho they have a linux bin
[12:38] <buz_> WTF they'd have a bin for java is beyond me
[12:38] <buz_> sheesh
[12:38] <Anlar> it's just an extractor.
[12:38] <buz_> i'm too  drunkt to type
[12:38] <buz_> yeah
[12:38] <buz_> but it doesnt
[12:38] <buz_> complete on kubuntu
[12:38] <whiskers> Anlar: but some people find it useful to store their records and be able to sort and search through them quickly and print out summary results
[12:38] <Anlar> does here, it seems. I just did it via the fake_root thingy.
[12:38] <buz_> besides 37mb when the win version is 14mb WTF
[12:38] <buz_> ah well
[12:38] <whiskers> Anlar: now just because you think it is worthless...there are others who consider it useful
[12:38] <buz_> the html interface does the jon
[12:38] <buz_> job
[12:38] <Anlar> whiskers: yes. that's why I just installed the software. and it seems to be working beautifully.
[12:39] <whiskers> Anlar: how did you get scons to work
[12:39] <buz_> and it cant possibly be more insecure than ebanking on win
[12:39] <whiskers> Anlar: that bastard will not find qtlibs
[12:39] <Anlar> life is life. :)
[12:40] <buz_> yeah and drinking booze gets you drunk
[12:40] <buz_> it better does for the price ;)
[12:40] <Anlar> I am drinking just milk.
[12:41] <buz_> i hate milk
[12:41] <buz_> i think i cant digest it properly too
[12:41] <buz_> which is quite common
[12:41] <buz_> but since i dont like the taste
[12:41] <buz_> its not really a problem, ic an get the calcium by other means
[12:42] <Anlar> I drink it for the taste. but they might differ too perhaps
[12:42] <gdh> I enjoy soya milk as an interesting drink but I could never have it on cereal / in tea / coffee etc.
[12:42] <gdh> I had some milk made from oats the other day and I can say with authority that is was *foul*
[12:43] <buz_> mhh never had soy milk
[12:43] <gdh> the aftertaste was quite pleasant, but the drink itself was revolting..
[12:43] <buz_> i find milk to generally be revolting
[12:43] <gdh> buz_: Don't think of it as milk, for you'll be disappointed :)
[12:43] <buz_> only place i like CREAM is coffee
[12:43] <gdh> or perhaps not :)
[12:43] <buz_> well seeing that i hate milk it cant possibly get much worse
[12:44] <buz_> but dont listen to me, i'm fucking drunk
[12:44] <buz_> got my university exam results and my gf is sick so the only thing to do was to get piss drunk
[12:44] <carambol> soya makes u impotent
[12:44] <buz_> so what
[12:45] <buz_> them spamers want to sell me cialis every day anyway
[12:45] <carambol> or better decrease ur potentency
[12:45] <buz_> i need to drink multivit juice now
[12:46] <buz_> to avoid a brutal hangover tomorrow
[12:49] <buz_> is there a way to have ksensor display smart hdd values?
[12:51] <Anlar> no since smart has nothing to do with lm_sensors
[12:52] <buz_> yeah i figured that :)
[12:52] <buz_> but maybe theres a way still?
[12:52] <buz_> personally i care more for hd than cpu temps
[12:54] <whiskers> Anlar: how can i enable all my firefox plugins in Konq....to see if they also work on kde
[12:54] <elric> sweet wireless card works
[12:55] <whiskers> Anlar: lm-sensors is working fine here on ubuntu
[12:55] <whiskers> Anlar: that has not been any problem...just the lack of winmodem...i mean cheap linmodem support
[12:55] <Anlar> whiskers: lol you really are out like the snowman
[12:56] <gdh> elric: you just compiled the atmelwlandriver.sf.net code from source with linux headers?
[12:56] <elric> yeah
[12:56] <gdh> funky.
[12:56] <elric> had to use the cvs version though
[12:56] <elric> the one on the ubuntu repository is a bit outdated
[12:56] <gdh> as long as it works =)
[12:57] <whiskers> Anlar: i just believe that everything should be free for everyone...so that noone has to have money to buy stuff....because when that is the case....invevitably the poorest cannot afford what the richest have....and this is the "Tragedy of the Commons"
[12:57] <elric> yeah it works fine :)
[12:57] <gdh> elric: Out of interest, what brand of WLAN card do you have?
[12:57] <whiskers> Anlar: why does that make me a snowman
[12:57] <Anlar> whiskers: ease off the lsd, man
[12:57] <gdh> elric: do you have any problems with it just randomly stopping now and again? I see that with both of my cheapo Actiontec 802UATs, as does a friend with the same model...
[12:58] <elric> gdh, i have no idea... i just plugged it in and looked at the hex values and looked it up on google
[12:58] <elric> matched atmel hex values
[12:58] <elric> so I assume its an atmel and it works with the atmel drivers
[12:59] <gdh> yeh, if it's USB though, it'll have some plastic casing with a manufacturer name / model number?
[12:59] <elric> gdh: i should, only the casing is gone
[12:59] <gdh> LOL :)
[01:00] <elric> it is a chip at the end of a usb plug... i got it for free, so no complaints
[01:19] <brazmetal> hey I have the problem, I cant' access the localhost... can ananyone help me?
[01:21] <segfault> explain better
[01:22] <brazmetal> segfault, i can't access http://localhost;xxxx
[01:22] <brazmetal> segfault, i can't access http://localhost:xxxx
[01:22] <segfault> why?
[01:22] <segfault> XD
[01:22] <segfault> do you have apache running?
[01:22] <brazmetal> no
[01:22] <brazmetal> I have?
[01:23] <brazmetal> But days after the tings were ok..
[01:23] <brazmetal> *things
[01:24] <brazmetal> http://localhost:8000 I could access the shoutcast (audio streamer) page... and localhost:631 I could access the CUPS web interface
[01:24] <brazmetal> and now I can't
[01:25] <brazmetal> and I had never installed apache
[01:25] <andrewski> brazmetal: what are you trying to do?
[01:26] <segfault> yeah, better question
[01:26] <brazmetal> I want to access the localjhost
[01:26] <segfault> !!
[01:26] <segfault> but how?
[01:26] <segfault> webmin
[01:26] <segfault> cups
[01:26] <segfault> other daemon..
[01:26] <segfault> etc..?
[01:26] <brazmetal> CUPS>..
[01:27] <segfault> ./etc/init.d/cupsd start
[01:27] <segfault> without the dot
[01:27] <brazmetal> brazmetal http://localhost:8000 I could access the shoutcast (audio streamer) page... and localhost:631 I could access the CUPS web interface
[01:27] <segfault> and the check localhost:631
[01:27] <brazmetal> brazmetal and now I can't
[01:27] <brazmetal> brazmetal and I had never installed apache
[01:27] <andrewski> brazmetal: for what?
[01:27] <brazmetal> segfault, cupsd is running...
[01:27] <gdh> brazmetal: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631 perhaps?
[01:28] <gdh> if that works, your dns setup is very very broken :)
[01:28] <gdh> can you even ping localhost and get a response? :) (that's a geek insult almost :)
[01:28] <brazmetal> gdh, It doesn't work too
[01:29] <brazmetal> gdh, ehehheehehhe I can't
[01:29] <gdh> what does this say:     netstat -an | grep 631
[01:29] <gdh> if you do 'ifconfig' is there a 'lo' interface listed?
[01:29] <brazmetal> man... everything was fine days ago..
[01:29] <brazmetal> dgh: no...
[01:29] <gdh> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[01:29] <gdh>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:29] <gdh> etc.
[01:29] <gdh> ok now check /etc/network/interfaces
[01:29] <brazmetal> just if I run "ifconfig lo"
[01:29] <gdh> do you have this:
[01:30] <gdh> auto lo
[01:30] <gdh> iface lo inet loopback
[01:30] <brazmetal> humm
[01:30] <brazmetal> yes..
[01:30] <brazmetal> I have this..
[01:30] <brazmetal> man
[01:30] <brazmetal> I thing I did
[01:30] <brazmetal> days ago
[01:30] <brazmetal> I uninstalled "resolvconf"
[01:31] <gdh> clever.
[01:31] <brazmetal> cause my resolv.conf file was being overwritten each boot
[01:32] <gdh> makes sense.. I've never used that all
[01:32] <gdh> app
[01:32] <Anlar> it's supposed to if you use dhcp

[01:32] <brazmetal> no
[01:32] <brazmetal> i don't use...
[01:32] <brazmetal> I use the static setting...
[01:33] <gdh> and you can't "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" and get replies?
[01:33] <brazmetal> the problem days ago was that.... the rseolv.conf file overwritten each boot, and I had to put the adresses and restar network.... each boot
[01:33] <brazmetal> This problem was gone whan I uninstalled the resolvconf package
[01:33] <gdh> what about /etc/hosts ? is the first line like <IP_ADDRESS>       localhost.localdomain   localhost ?
[01:34] <brazmetal> gdh, I cant
[01:34] <brazmetal> hum let me see
[01:34] <gdh> OK if you do 'ifconfig lo' do you see "UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1" on one line?
[01:34] <gdh> the 'UP' is rather important :)
[01:34] <brazmetal> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost metalslave localhost.localdomain
[01:34] <brazmetal> the first line of host file
[01:36] <brazmetal> gdh: i don't see "up loopback running"
[01:36] <brazmetal> but I can see  MTU:16436  Metric:1
[01:36] <gdh> what about; ifdown lo; ifup lo
[01:36] <gdh> then try again?
[01:36] <gdh> I'm amazed X works if localhost is broken...
[01:37] <martin> I have problem: I have stored some files for backup.. like xorg.conf and imwheel and so on.. But the problem is that without me doing anything.. the files change from being text files to Gzip files.. I try to open them in Kate, but no text there.. only binary.. What is this? don't understand!!
[01:37] <brazmetal> ifdown: interface lo not configured
[01:37] <gdh> that figures :)
[01:38] <gdh> martin: where did you store them for backup?
[01:39] <gdh> brazmetal: ifup lo should complete fine, and you should have lo configured with 'UP LOOPBACK RUNNING' on ifconfig
[01:39] <martin> in /home/martin/diverse/konfig ... just a backup folder...
[01:39] <gdh> martin: weird - what's the timestamp on the .gz files
[01:39] <brazmetal> gdh, now the up thin apperas
[01:40] <gdh> brazmetal: you will probably need to restart your shoutcast + cups daemons
[01:40] <martin> 4 days ago.. when i installed kubuntu i guess
[01:40] <brazmetal> gdh, but it's definitely?
[01:40] <gdh> brazmetal: It's definately what?
[01:40] <martin> can conserve have anything to do with it?
[01:40] <brazmetal> or i have to do It each boot?
[01:40] <brazmetal> now I can ping the localhost
[01:41] <gdh> brazmetal: Who can say? :)
[01:41] <gdh> if you definately have
[01:41] <gdh> auto lo
[01:41] <gdh> iface lo inet loopback
[01:41] <gdh> in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:41] <brazmetal> auto lo?
[01:41] <gdh> then it should work each reboot :/
[01:41] <brazmetal> no..
[01:41] <brazmetal> hum
[01:41] <gdh> Ah ha :)
[01:41] <brazmetal> I have just auto eth0
[01:41] <gdh> there's the problem then.
[01:41] <brazmetal> oh.. thanks man...
[01:42] <gdh> how on earth did that interfaces file get changed and the 'lo' lines removed?
[01:42] <gdh> those are utterly standard preconfigged things that no GUI tool would ever change.
[01:42] <brazmetal> i don't know
[01:42] <brazmetal> ehehehee
 :)
[01:42] <brazmetal> cause it's was ok days ago..
[01:45] <gdh> out of interest.. you said you use static IP and not DHCP.. how did you change from DHCP (the default) to static IP?
[01:46] <brazmetal> gdh, man using the Kcontrol
[01:46] <brazmetal> and just after
[01:46] <brazmetal> uninstalling dhcp3
[01:47] <gdh> hm, odd
[01:49] <brazmetal> gdh, hey, but I still can't acces CUPS ;(
[01:49] <brazmetal> and I have restarted it
[01:51] <gdh> brazmetal: stop it, wait a few seconds, start it...
[01:51] <gdh> 'restart' might just make it 'reload config'
[01:52] <brazmetal> ok
[01:53] <brazmetal> gdh, bingo :D... thanx man!
[01:53] <gdh> :)
[01:54] <gdh> the invoice is in the post, etc :)
[02:01] <brazmetal> gdh, another problema... do you use cupsys? accessing the administrative issues asks for user/password... :(
[02:02] <gdh> In Kubuntu you're supposed to use Kub's own management tools
[02:02] <gdh> and it will talk to cupsd in the background
[02:02] <gdh> Control Center -> Peripherals -> Printers
[02:03] <brazmetal> it's the same?
[02:03] <gdh> well, one talks to the other...
[02:03] <brazmetal> ah ok I will try
[02:03] <gdh> I don't have a printer, but that's waht I understand...
[02:03] <brazmetal> I saw some threads about this name/password issue
[02:04] <brazmetal> in the ubuntuforums
[02:04] <brazmetal> and did the tip, and no success...
[02:04] <brazmetal> the tip was to create cupsys user in the shadow group..
[02:05] <gdh> think about it, it  doesn't make sense for Kubuntu to release a final version without an easy GUI way to do a basic task like add a printer
[02:07] <Shaquile> Have anyone got flash working in the 64bits version? No one I know have... :/
[02:23] <stianh> greetings
[02:25] <stianh> Kubuntu is nice :D
[02:26] <segfault> rules ;)
[02:26] <stianh> hehe :)
[02:28] <andrewski> is there another kwin theme like plastik that's smaller?
[02:29] <segfault> ballistik
[02:30] <segfault> for windeco?
[02:30] <segfault> knifty :P
[02:30] <andrewski> segfault: ok, thanks; i'll look them up.
[02:30] <segfault> ;)
[02:32] <andrewski> segfault: hmm, both of those are grey....
[02:32] <segfault> ?
[02:32] <segfault> change the color scheme?
[02:34] <andrewski> segfault: true. O_o
[02:37] <andrewski> you have to compile KDE themes?!
[02:37] <segfault> but is easy
[02:37] <segfault> ./configure --prefix=/usr
[02:37] <segfault> or
[02:38] <segfault> ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`
[02:38] <segfault> :p
[02:53] <andrewski> how do i get the "run program..." window?
[02:54] <gdh> alt-f2
[02:54] <andrewski> gdh: ok, now what if that doesn't work?  how would i run it from a terminal?
[02:55] <gdh> uhh.. can't really see how that'd be useful
[02:55] <gdh> has your kicker crashed ?
[02:55] <andrewski> gdh: or (to put the same end in a different question): in which package is it?
[02:55] <andrewski> gdh: no, i'm running kwin in xfce, so no kicker.
[02:56] <andrewski> do i need to run kicker to use it?
[02:56] <gdh> Ah... I think it (and other KDE hotkeys) are provided by kicker
[02:56] <gdh> that's a guess.
[02:56] <andrewski> gdh: well, my custom khotkey works....
[02:58] <gdh> I dunno then =) alt-f2 works for me - but I guess it could change depending on whatever the defaults are
[02:58] <gdh> I probably changed my mappings to more windows-like
[02:58] <gdh> yes, I suck, I know.
[02:58] <andrewski> no, i have alt+f2 set, it just doesn't work. :P
[02:59] <gdh> .. mm enjoy
[03:00] <jsubl2> Shaquile: the only way i have heard to get flash working is in a chroot environment
[03:02] <jsubl2> Shaquile: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[03:08] <Brametal> me again ehehehe
[03:08] <Brametal> does anyone here use HPLIP ?
[03:14] <whiskers> ok...i did find what was making kexi crash on new database....it says system supplied datasource object is missing....whatever that means
[03:14] <whiskers> so apparently there is still something missing in the ubuntu system stuff
[03:17] <whiskers> so many damn headaches trying to get a simple database designer working...no wonder everybody would rather pay MS for Access
[03:18] <gdh> whiskers: is there no 'Knoda' for ubuntu?
[03:18] <gdh> I used that briefly a long time ago - it might have matured a bit by now
[03:18] <whiskers> gdh, i don't kow...well i will look
[03:19] <whiskers> gdh, nope there is no knoda...i guess i could go compile it and see if it works...but i sure would like to know what system files are missing regarding DSO
[03:20] <gdh> It's over my head :)
[03:20] <whiskers> gdh, well i think DSO stands for Data Source Object or something like that
[03:20] <gdh> that much I understand, no idea how they work on teh l00nicks
[03:21] <whiskers> gdh, i will go try to compile knoda and see if it gets anywhere
[03:29] <whiskers> gdh, holy cow...knoda says first you have to have hk_classes....and then i went to compile hk_classes and it says you have to have a postgres driver...what the hell
[03:30] <gdh> that's dependencies for you :)
[03:32] <gdh> it would seem that knoda is supposed to bein ubuntu
[03:32] <gdh> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/knoda/
[03:32] <gdh> no .debs tho :)
[03:32] <whiskers> gdh, ok i was able to use mysql and postgres drivers...but no sqllite driver
[03:32] <whiskers> gdh, let me try to get hk_classes compiled
[03:33] <whiskers> gdh, ubuntu doesn't have shit regarding the very important desktop database stuff
[03:34] <closure> i am getting an error when updating
[03:34] <whiskers> gdh, and there does not seem to be anyway i can get php working for DBMaster.php.....something seems very wrong with apache2-mpm-prefork-dev
[03:35] <gdh> I have no idea what any of that means :)
[03:38] <closure> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6b7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[03:38] <fejaor> How can I configure my monitor if the only option I have is 640x480__
[03:38] <closure> that is the error i am getting when updating
[03:38] <fejaor> ??
[03:38] <closure> can anybody give me an idea on how to fix this?
[03:39] <gdh> closure:  this is a known problem - it wil be fixed in a day or rwo
[03:39] <gdh> nothing to worry about
[03:41] <fejaor> How can I configure my monitor if the only option I have is 640x480__
[03:41] <fejaor> ??
[03:41] <whiskers> gdh, well ok...hk_classes compiled with a couple of drivers
[03:41] <closure> gdh
[03:41] <closure> k thanks
[03:41] <whiskers> gdh, now let me try knoda
[03:43] <closure> gdh any idea when gaim is going to be updated in the repositories?
[03:44] <whiskers> gdh, you know when i think about i could have just paid MS about $100 ...11 years ago...and saved 11 years worth of headaches
[03:44] <fejaor> anyone with my configuration problem__
[03:44] <gdh> closure: I'm not a developer - I just watch the channel :)
[03:44] <fejaor> ??
[03:44] <gdh> fejaor: You've already been told the answer earlier
[03:44] <gdh> regarding modelines, etc.
[03:45] <closure> gdh, ahh
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> fejaor
[03:45] <closure> gdh, do you know where to ask for such updates?
[03:45] <gdh> whiskers: I got knoda running from .debs
[03:45] <whiskers> gdh, it seems that it would have been cheaper to just pay MS for Access many years ago....than to go through all this crap for 11 years..and still not have it
[03:45] <gdh> whiskers: used the debian ones, plus a few dependencies on updated libraries etc.
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" or  "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:46] <gdh> whiskers: <shrug> If it's that precious for Access, use crossover office, or just run windows :)
[03:46] <whiskers> gdh, well i am compiling it now...lets see how it will work
[03:46] <fejaor> where__
[03:46] <fejaor> ??
[03:46] <gdh> whiskers: i.e. I have knoda running now
[03:46] <whiskers> gdh, it is not...i don't want to pay MS one dime...i already had to pay those bastards for one copy of Win98
[03:46] <gdh> fejaor: it was /msg'd to you from what I understand
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> fejaor in a terminal
[03:47] <fejaor> I did not receive anything
[03:47] <whiskers> gdh, but the problem is you have to work your ass off for more than 11 years...to save the money on Access
[03:47] <fejaor> ok...
[03:47] <fejaor> in terminal what kamping_
[03:47] <fejaor> ?
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> you@yours:~ $ dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> like that
[03:48] <gdh> whiskers: sounds like a better idea to pay $200 for a copy of Access, then :)
[03:48] <jsubl2> it is not about the money.. linux is  more fun
[03:49] <calc> access is a really good database
[03:49] <calc> and that has nothing to do with floss vs proprietary
[03:49] <calc> access is a real pos
[03:50] <calc> doesn't even support the full sql standard
[03:50] <fejaor> it said this: "reconfigure must be run as root"
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> you@yours:~ $sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> passwd:
[03:50] <calc> i had a prof that required us to use access as the backend of a project and then required us to do things he knew was nearly impossible to do since access didn't support it
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> then it will launch
[03:51] <whiskers> calc, nobody gives a shit what command set it supports....what they care about is entering millions of interrelated pieces of data....and being able to sort on thousands of keys and to be able to design and print summary results from searches and sorts
[03:51] <calc> whiskers: well if you can't do said sorts then its not useful
[03:52] <calc> whiskers: its not that it supported something else instead, it uses sql, but it only supports a annoying subset of it
[03:52] <calc> so to do sorts you have to figure out a way to do it in multiple stages since it doesn't support the command you want in particular
[03:53] <whiskers> calc, yes...you have to able to sort on a primary key...then subsort on a secondary key...etc....for thousands of stages...simultaneously
[03:53] <whiskers> calc, for example...suppose i sorted last name, the subsort by first name, then subsort by zipcode, etc
[03:53] <calc> hmm well perhaps i misused sort when i meant get a selection
[03:53] <calc> just sorting isn't all that useful
[03:54] <whiskers> calc, then design and print the summary filterization of the sorts and searches
[03:54] <calc> you could do that in a spreadsheet
[03:54] <whiskers> calc, well i haven
[03:54] <whiskers> calc, well i haven't seen any spreadsheet that can handle thousands of sort and search keys
[03:55] <whiskers> calc, we are talking about a desktop database system
[03:55] <calc> desktop shouldn't mean purposely crippled
[03:56] <calc> now if access was easy to use in even the simple case i could see it not supporting some stuff
[03:56] <calc> but access isn't easy to use for even trivial stuff
[03:56] <calc> and so removing parts of the language isn't making it somehow magically easier to use either
[03:58] <whiskers> gdh, ok knoda did compile ...lets see what it can do
[03:58] <gdh> It's quite pleasant and familiar :)
[03:59] <gdh> Have been tinkering with it for the last 10 mins
[03:59] <whiskers> gdh, well shit...first we had to get a kernel working
[03:59] <gdh> it's an official Debian package, so it shouldn't belong before ubuntu gets it in breezy
[03:59] <whiskers> gdh, unless you want to pay MS for that too
[04:01] <whiskers> gdh, ok...knoda logged into postgres...now lets see what it can do
[04:02] <whiskers> gdh, it does seem to have some reporting ability...but i don't see the RAD design features.
[04:03] <gdh> I only work with mysql so I've no idea what you mean by that
[04:04] <whiskers> gdh, it sees the elements in georgedb....but it does not seem to have table creation...table interrelations...field definitions...etc
[04:04] <whiskers> gdh, i don't think knoda is ready yet
[04:04] <whiskers> gdh, but it does connect.....and that is important
[04:04] <etzerd> hello all
[04:04] <whiskers> gdh, because kexi and glom do not
[04:05] <gdh> :)
[04:06] <whiskers> gdh, well maybe it does have a little stuff...i double clicked on the table element to georgedb and there is some ability to create a few things
[04:09] <gdh> whiskers: have fun - I'm off to bed. nn.
[04:10] <calc> creating a database properly is not something a user would just automatically know how to do wrt normalization, etc
[04:12] <fejaor> hey
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) back
[04:14] <whiskers> calc, yes they have know it intuitively since TRS-80 Model 1
[04:15] <whiskers> calc, and they have made extensive use of it....suppose i was the Social Security Administration
[04:15] <whiskers> calc, and i needed to store information on millions of people
[04:15] <calc> if you are a dba at SSA you should know how to create a proper database i would imagine ;)
[04:15] <whiskers> calc, and uh...i needed to be able to search and sort on thousands of keys among thousands of intterelated tables
[04:16] <whiskers> calc, and then i needed to be able to filter these arbitrarily....and design and print summary statistics
[04:16] <calc> ok
[04:16] <fejaor> .
[04:16] <calc> so this mythical app does this all for you?
[04:17] <whiskers> calc, now you either had to pay MS $100 for Access or else you had to work your ass off for 11 years to get a kernel and some gui tools and a RAD database design program
[04:17] <calc> or did you mean users actually know how to do any of this? ;)
[04:17] <calc> just having access doesn't mean you know how to create a database properly
[04:17] <calc> and access won't do that for you
[04:17] <calc> now if you just want to play with data your dba made for you that is different
[04:18] <calc> or do the RAD design programs (access not being one of them) do that for you?
[04:18] <calc> at least i don't recall access ever trying to auto normalize my tables
[04:18] <whiskers> calc, yes it does and that is why the Texas Unemployment Commission makes extensive use of Access....but uh they had $100 to pay for Access
[04:19] <whiskers> calc, we had to build everything from scatch....so as not to have to pay one dime
[04:19] <calc> hmm
[04:21] <whiskers> calc, it has nothing to do about autonormalization...it has to do with being able to create millions of table entries...thousands of keys...diagram the interrelationships among the tables...and design the report system
[04:21] <whiskers> calc, and plus...MS set it up so that if Access was not fast enough ...they could buy MSSQL server...and port their data....clever bastards
[04:23] <calc> so it still isn't enough for someone that doesn't understand databases already, or else they will need someone to do the initial setup
[04:24] <calc> but it is enough for a PHB to use it
[05:13] <johnny__> hello
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[05:15] <johnny__> hmm. I have an issue, but I guess It'll have to wait untill tomarrow.
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats up?
[05:16] <johnny__> I'm trying to use ndiswrapper to get my wifi card to work
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :\
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> ugly?
[05:16] <johnny__> using the howto from the ubuntu wiki
[05:17] <johnny__> and I can't do the 'modprobe ndiswrapper' command...
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> why does it fail?
[05:17] <johnny__> says 'operation not permitted'
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> try as root
[05:18] <johnny__> sudo modprobe gives the same error
[05:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> right. did you do a standard install or a custom install?
[05:20] <johnny__> erm.
[05:20] <johnny__> I went by the howto...
[05:20] <johnny__> I'm not sure if that's standard or not
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> of kubuntu. did you do a standard install or custom?
[05:21] <johnny__> oh, standard.
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. um.
[05:21] <johnny__> I was having the same issue when I was in Gnome too.
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you kubuntufy an ubuntu install, or its this kubuntu proper?
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you sudo other things?
[05:22] <johnny__> I kubuntuified (? ;P) an ubuntu install.
[05:23] <jsubl2> maybe a update-modules would help
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. using hte kubuntu-desktop package? that should be ok
[05:23] <johnny__> yhea, the apt-get command from the kubuntu page
[05:32] <whiskers> Kamping_Kaiser, yes...that is what i did....i added kde after working with gnome...because i could not find a gnome database program that worked
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. interesting
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have kde, so i can give ppl support with it ;)
[05:34] <whiskers> Kamping_Kaiser, now the nice thing...is that you can use gdm to start a kde session or a gnome session....and also..if you are in gnome...you can run some kde apps and the fonts look very nice
[05:34] <fejaor> anyone who knows how to download and install all the necessary plugins for Konqueror??
[05:34] <whiskers> fejaor, well i got them for firefox..but i don't know how to tell Konq...where the plugins are...i know where they are but i don't know how to tell Konq
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> whiskers. what i do is use gnome, and start kde in a nested x sesion if i need it
[05:35] <whiskers> Kamping_Kaiser, yes you can do it either way
[05:35] <whiskers> Kamping_Kaiser, or you can have a totally consistent kde session
[05:35] <fejaor> I imagine that I can download firefox in ubuntu with no problem of interference between it and konqueror??
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> this is probably hte wrong place to say this... but i prefer gnome.
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> fejaor thats right
[05:36] <whiskers> Kamping_Kaiser, fejaor no...they don't seem to interfere at this time
[05:36] <fejaor> I think i'm kind of more familiar with the use of GNOME
[05:37] <whiskers> fejaor, well yes...but gnome is seriously lacking on a database program...only one person seems to have glom working
[05:37] <whiskers> fejaor, and i don't know what version of postgres he is using
[05:37] <fejaor> I like how glom look though
[05:38] <fejaor> it look nicer and cleaner than gnome :D
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> can someone help fejaor with kynaptic? i wuold but i cant launch it because im using apt to dist-upgrade
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[05:39] <whiskers> Kamping_Kaiser, yes kynaptic is very easy
[05:39] <whiskers> Kamping_Kaiser, you just click on the uninstalled programs...and look through the list that scrolls
[05:39] <fejaor> you now what?
[05:39] <fejaor> thanks for all your help
[05:39] <whiskers> Kamping_Kaiser, and whatever you want...you just click on it....and do the commit button
[05:40] <fejaor> I really appreciate it but Ithink I will switch back to GNOME
[05:40] <fejaor> there's just a lot of troubles with this
[05:40] <fejaor> :S
[05:40] <fejaor> :(
[05:40] <whiskers> fejaor, well you have both...so you can alternate as you desire
[05:40] <fejaor> how??
[05:40] <whiskers> fejaor, just tell gdm which session you want to start
[05:41] <fejaor> how?
[05:41] <whiskers> fejaor, well log out...and get back to gdm....and look at the sessions button
[05:41] <fejaor> and then what?
[05:41] <whiskers> fejaor, well tell it if you want to start a gnome session or a kde session
[05:42] <fejaor> ok
[05:42] <fejaor> try that
[05:42] <fejaor> thanks
[05:44] <smouche> uh, sorry to be off topic, folks, but what's the command to search for channels in irc?
[05:47] <whiskers> smouche, it is very easy in kvirc
[05:47] <whiskers> smouche, and it makes a nice scrollable list of the 2000channels
[05:48] <whiskers> smouche, and you can pick any one you want
[05:48] <whiskers> smouche, it would be nice if kde menu system had the same feature
[05:48] <smouche> whiskers, actually all I wanted was the search syntax
[05:49] <smouche> thought it was something like /list *searchterm*
[05:49] <whiskers> smouche, oh...ok the hard way....type /list after you log into the server
[05:49] <smouche> right,
[05:49] <wpyle> hello. samba can't see my network. It was working before, until I installed a wireless network card to share my internet with my laptop. now samba only sees the laptop. is there any way to work around this?
[05:50] <smouche> after logging in, I know how to get the whole list, whiskers, but I know I was able to display search results in my window here before -- anyway, thanks
[05:50] <whiskers> smouche, well that is what is nice about kvirc
[05:51] <smouche> whiskers, I found it:  /cs list *example*
[05:51] <smouche> it was the cs part I didn't remember...
[05:53] <smouche> not if I knew how to filter out all the dead channels...
[05:53] <whiskers> does anybody have the slightest idea what this message means in regards to kexi
[05:54] <whiskers> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1".
[05:54] <whiskers> `system-supplied DSO at 0xffffe000' has disappeared; keeping its symbols.
[05:54] <whiskers> [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
[05:54] <whiskers> [New Thread -1234713568 (LWP 3052)]
[05:54] <whiskers> [KCrash handler]
[05:54] <whiskers> #4  0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
[05:54] <whiskers> #5  0xb7e04175 in raise () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[05:54] <whiskers> #6  0xb7e057d8 in abort () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[05:54] <whiskers> #7  0xbfffedb0 in ?? ()
[05:54] <whiskers> #8  0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:54] <whiskers> #9  0x00000020 in ?? ()
[05:54] <whiskers> #10 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #11 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #12 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #13 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #14 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #15 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #16 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #17 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #18 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #19 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #20 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #21 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #22 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #23 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #24 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #25 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #26 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #27 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #28 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #29 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #30 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #31 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #32 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #33 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #34 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #35 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #36 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:55] <whiskers> #37 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:56] <whiskers> #38 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:56] <whiskers> #39 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:56] <whiskers> #40 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[05:56] <whiskers> #41 0xb7e47307 in _IO_file_write () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[05:56] <whiskers> does this mean anything to anybody
[05:56] <whiskers> seems like it is related to some system supplied DSO...but i don't have the foggiest idea what is missing in ubuntu
[05:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> libc.so.6 seems to be involved
[05:56] <whiskers> smouche, can you make sense of that kexi backtrace
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> but yes, there is some DSO stuff not proper in ubuntu.
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> because it doesnt use it
[05:57] <whiskers> Kamping_Kaiser, well ubuntu really needs to fix this stuff
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> but thats what kubuntu is for
[06:01] <moist> hi I'm having trouble trying to get my onboard isa crystal sound chip working cs4325-JQ
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> isa? yes. you will be. :(
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have the extra packages installed?
[06:03] <moist> what would they be??
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> make sure you have alsa
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> to be honest i dont remember, and the files i have it in are on another computer
[06:05] <smouche> whiskers , sorry, I can't. I'm not that literate in computing.
[06:06] <smouche> God, it's ironic.  When I used windows, firefox made it almost usable.
[06:06] <smouche> Now in linux, I find myself despising firefox!
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> 0_o
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> wow
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do you use now?
[06:07] <smouche> firefox, but not happily
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh.
[06:07] <smouche> opera, once I've figured out the plug-ins etc
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> god ssh is cool
[06:08] <smouche> actually, I'm using a text only browser more and more, elinks
[06:08] <smouche> that takes some learning though.
[06:08] <whiskers> smouche, is elinks like lynx...lynx was very fast for moving around the internet
[06:09] <smouche> yes, whiskers, but it's a little easier to use, I think, and better, sort of handling of tables etc
[06:09] <smouche> but I haven't really used lynx, so I can't make a fair comparison.
[06:09] <whiskers> smouche, hmmm. i will have to look at it...sounds interesting
[06:10] <whiskers> oh well...at least knoda connects and has a few functions....maybe it will continue to improve
[06:11] <whiskers> i just don't know what is wrong with kexi and glom....that backtrace is not very revealing to me
[06:11] <smouche> whiskers, there's also something called w3m you might look at too -- keyboard commands are closer to a graphical browsers, very pretty
[06:13] <whiskers> maybe if i go back and recompile libc6....it might have some DSO options or something in its config files
[06:17] <moist> ls_mod only shows snd_mixer_oss but Kynaptic says alsa is installed
[06:18] <jubei> Does Kubuntu support evdev input for the mouse?
[06:18] <moist> damm did Kamping_Kaiser go
[06:19] <Kaiser_away> yes. but here for a tic ;)
[06:20] <Kaiser_away> im about to go
[06:20] <moist> a frig I want to get this sound chip working I had xp installed on this machine and it works
[06:21] <moist> Kynaptic says I have alsa base, alsa utils installed
[06:22] <moist> ls_mod shows I only have snd_mixer_oss loaded though
[06:22] <Kaiser_away> search for things containing isa. i would go grab the docs over the net, but im using my bandwidth, so it would take for ever
[06:23] <moist> what on net or in lsmod
[06:23] <Kaiser_away> k. gtg.
[06:23] <Kaiser_away> on the net
[06:23] <Kaiser_away> bbl
[06:23] <moist> k thanx
[06:24] <whiskers> well i am tired today...this bad libc6...and missing Makefiles on rekall....and scons not finding qt....and kexi and glom not connecting...has left me tired right now
[06:26] <whiskers> oh ...and i don't want to forget that apache2-mfm-dev doesn't want PHP to work either
[06:26] <whiskers> what  a day
[06:27] <wpyle> moist, try seeing if your card is working at all. go to control center -> sound & multimedia -> sound system, and change audio device to oss, and click test sound
[06:30] <wpyle> or, go to terminal, and type "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" should hear noise, ctrl-c to stop
[06:31] <wpyle> heh, if you have access to an iexplore.exe, try cat iexplore.exe > /dev/dsp, it sounds evil :D
[06:45] <moist> sorry was away ok tried it not working
[06:46] <moist> bugger
[06:48] <moist> nope didn't work either if anyone else has any ideas I'm open
[06:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol wpyle ;) nice one
[06:52] <moist> why is that funny :(
[06:52] <moist> no sound is not funny
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> (14:01:01) wpyle: heh, if you have access to an iexplore.exe, try cat iexplore.exe > /dev/dsp, it sounds evil :D
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats funny :)
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. so sound doesnt work. in a terminal try running "alsaconfig" and "sndconfig"
[06:54] <moist> ah
[06:54] <moist> sudo alsaconfig command not found
[06:55] <moist> same for sndconfig
[06:55] <randabis> ubuntu doesn't come with those
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser>  no, you need to install them
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> and iirc ppl have had problems finding htem. i dont remember how i got htem
[06:56] <randabis> I'd check and see if any sound modules are loaded first and foremost
[06:56] <randabis> lsmod should give some info
[06:56] <randabis> lspci could yield some results also
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> they wont be loaded
[06:58] <randabis> That's why I'm glad I have stuff that "just works"
[06:58] <moist> yeah there are sound modules there with lsmod Can I post my snd lsmod??
[06:59] <moist> 863 bytes with that be a flood??
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. so true randabis. i deal with shit like ths where i do some volenteer stuff
[07:00] <randabis> indeed
[07:00] <moist> look I'm poor
[07:00] <moist> :)
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:00] <randabis> you "could" just post the lines relevent to sound from the lsmod
[07:00] <randabis> but that's not really going to tell "us" much
[07:01] <moist> yeah thats what I was saying it 863 bytes
[07:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> how many lines. thats what counts as flood
[07:01] <moist> bout 17
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> flood
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> do it in 5s
[07:03] <moist> snd_opl3_lib           10112  1 snd_cs4236
[07:03] <moist> snd_hwdep               9220  1 snd_opl3_lib
[07:03] <moist> snd_cs4236_lib         16000  1 snd_cs4236
[07:03] <moist> snd_mpu401_uart         7168  1 snd_cs4236
[07:03] <moist> snd_rawmidi            22944  1 snd_mpu401_uart
[07:04] <moist> snd_rawmidi            22944  1 snd_mpu401_uart
[07:04] <moist> snd_seq_device          8332  2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_rawmidi
[07:04] <moist> snd_cs4231_lib         24832  2 snd_cs4236,snd_cs4236_lib
[07:04] <moist> snd_pcm_oss            47652  0
[07:04] <moist> snd_mixer_oss          16768  1 snd_pcm_oss
[07:04] <moist> snd_mixer_oss          16768  1 snd_pcm_oss
[07:04] <moist> snd_pcm                84872  3 snd_cs4236_lib,snd_cs4231_lib,snd_pcm_oss
[07:04] <moist> snd_timer              23300  3 snd_opl3_lib,snd_cs4231_lib,snd_pcm
[07:04] <moist> snd                    50276  12 snd_cs4236,snd_opl3_lib,snd_hwdep,snd_cs4236_lib,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_cs4231_lib,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you go
[07:05] <moist> soundcore               9824  1 snd
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> :~ $ lspci |grep audio
[07:05] <moist> snd_page_alloc          9604  2 snd_cs4231_lib,snd_pcm
[07:05] <randabis> ah you have the old yamaha opl3
[07:05] <randabis> I believe some people have had issues with it, but fixed them
[07:06] <randabis> *does some digging*
[07:06] <moist> I did that what does it do just went to new prompt
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> so it didnt print anything out?
[07:07] <moist> crystal audio onboard dound chip
[07:07] <moist> board
[07:07] <moist> sound
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> all good mate ;) where you from?
[07:09] <moist> brisbane Australia
[07:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[07:10] <crimsun> please don't use alsaconf
[07:10] <moist> ah ok
[07:10] <crimsun> (it was ripped out of alsa-utils for a reason)
[07:11] <moist> who me ???
[07:11] <crimsun> please paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[07:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> alsaconf. yeh. noticed it was missing
[07:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> any reason particularly?
[07:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> crimsun. what do we use instead?
[07:12] <crimsun> insecure temp files, also rendered mostly useless by hotplug
[07:12] <crimsun> Kamping_Kaiser: nothing.
[07:12] <crimsun> Kamping_Kaiser: the only corner case is isa cards, and a solution is being worked on
[07:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> k....
[07:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> so we hand set isa cards?'
[07:12] <crimsun> for now, yes
[07:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. will pass that on ;)
[07:12] <moist> paste bin so I just put a name paste and send
[07:13] <crimsun> moist: yep
[07:13] <moist> done
[07:13] <crimsun> well
[07:13] <crimsun> your Master and PCM are both muted
[07:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> linux+dance music==good mix
[07:14] <moist> so they work if I umtue them .... how??
[07:14] <moist> unmute
[07:15] <randabis> you should be able to in kmix
[07:15] <crimsun> use a mixer. I prefer alsamixer, so I press 'm'
[07:16] <moist> I only seem to have kmix
[07:18] <moist> nope I do
[07:18] <moist> have alsamixer
[07:18] <crimsun> what sort of machine is this on?
[07:20] <moist> old gateway E3200
[07:20] <moist> PIII
[07:20] <moist> 450
[07:23] <crimsun> k
[07:24] <moist> I've switched them on I tried the test sound in sound system no joy  and the cat test as before as well
[07:25] <crimsun> do you have pcmcia-cs installed?
[07:25] <moist> its a desktop not a lappy
[07:25] <crimsun> doesn't matter
[07:25] <crimsun> you need a file from that package.
[07:26] <crimsun> dpkg -l pcmcia-cs|grep ^ii
[07:28] <crimsun> if that returns nothing, then install pcmcia-cs, then paste the output of lspnp -v onto pastebin.com
[07:28] <moist> dpkg: need an action option
[07:28] <moist> Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*] ;
[07:28] <moist> Use dselect for user-friendly package management;
[07:28] <moist> Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values;
[07:28] <moist> Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options;
[07:28] <moist> Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files;
[07:28] <moist> Type dpkg --licence for copyright licence and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*] .
[07:29] <crimsun> copy and paste the command I gave you
[07:31] <moist> sorry i thought it was |
[07:32] <moist> returned: No packages found matching pcmcia-cs.
[07:33] <crimsun> ok, so follow the next set of instructions I gave you :)
[07:34] <moist> can I use:  sudo apt-get install pcmcia-cs
[07:35] <moist> ok I can
[07:36] <moist> crimsun: its one line->lspnp: /proc/bus/pnp not available
[07:40] <moist> would plug and play os support turned off in bios have anything to do with this not working
[07:40] <crimsun> it should be turned off, that's correct
[07:43] <crimsun> (trying to find the correct mixer element combo)
[07:47] <crimsun> moist: ok, now unmute both Master Digitals
[07:47] <crimsun> moist: and adjust the volumes
[07:49] <moist> ok
[07:49] <moist> then open up sound system and test sound??
[07:49] <crimsun> yep
[07:50] <crimsun> hah, artsd just died
[07:52] <moist> pcmcia-cs still isn't in lsmod and modprobe pcmcia-cs returns FATAL: Module pcmcia_cs not found
[07:52] <crimsun> disregard pcmcia-cs
[07:52] <crimsun> you can remove the package
[07:55] <_orospakr> is one not supposed to install kde after install kubuntu-desktop on a hoary box?
[07:56] <crimsun> kubuntu-desktop is the base metapackage
[07:56] <_orospakr> s/after install/after installing/
[07:56] <crimsun> it comes with kde
[07:58] <moist> crimsun: will the alsa mixer settings stay the same after reboot
[07:58] <_orospakr> yes, I know.  but trying to install 'kde' in order to gain the other packages from universe causes conflicts (trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf), and also seems to change a lot of kde's behaviour. the nice kubuntu loading screen is gone, for instance.
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc thats a know problem
[08:01] <crimsun> moist: yes
[08:02] <crimsun> moist: got it working yet?
[08:02] <moist> crimsun: nope
[08:02] <moist> I don't get it when I installed XP it worked fine
[08:02] <crimsun> which mixer elements did you unmute/
[08:03] <crimsun> it's a mixer issue - one or more mixer elements are muted that need to be unmuted
[08:03] <crimsun> there's nothing actually wrong
[08:05] <moist> Ive tried master,  master dig, dig 1 pcm and various combos of each
[08:06] <moist> master mono as well
[08:06] <crimsun> master mono isn't the correct one
[08:06] <moist> well its muted at the mo anyhow
[08:06] <moist> there is an fm one thats muted as well
[08:07] <moist> so is the 3d controller
[08:07] <crimsun> the important ones are master, master digital, pcm, dsp, aux, and playback
[08:08] <moist> wOOt
[08:09] <moist> :D
[08:09] <moist> thanks crimsun
[08:09] <crimsun> np
[08:11] <_orospakr> Kamping_Kaiser: what actually is the root of that problem? :)
[08:14] <moist> crimsun whats the module for midi
[08:14] <moist> got no midi playback
[08:14] <crimsun> snd-seq
[08:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> _orospakr not exactly sure. but i have heard of it before
[08:17] <moist> crimsun I've got snd_seq_device
[08:18] <crimsun> moist: now you need snd-seq and snd-seq-oss
[08:20] <moist> ok after modprobe its (in paste bin)
[08:22] <madspaz> is firefox somewhere on this cd?
[08:24] <crimsun> madspaz: no.
[08:24] <crimsun> madspaz: make sure the main restricted deb line is enabled, then install it from the 'net
[08:25] <madspaz> crimsun: ok
[08:26] <madspaz> crimsun: worked
[08:26] <madspaz> crimsun: thanks, kinda new to debian. Been BSD all my life :)
[08:26] <crimsun> :)
[08:47] <incubii> hmm appears windows 2000 server sp4 doesnt like qemu
[08:48] <incubii> but winxpsp2 does
[08:48] <incubii> :)
[08:57] <incubii> its freaky seeing Windows XP running on PPC linuc
[08:57] <incubii> linux*
[08:58] <Wilf3> i have a noob question :(
[08:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[08:58] <Wilf3> alright.
[08:58] <Wilf3> i'm trying to put in a new menu item for amsn
[08:58] <Wilf3> ...what do i put in cammand?
[08:58] <Wilf3> command*
[08:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> amsn
[08:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i expect
[08:59] <Wilf3> yuh i figured as much
[08:59] <Wilf3> but which file do i edit to make it so that typing "amsn" into terminal makes amsn start?
[09:00] <Wilf3> at the moment i have to cd to the directory and go ./amsn
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> then put the full path in.
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you trying to make a launcher?
[09:00] <Wilf3> in where?
[09:00] <Wilf3> yes i am
[09:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> so how did you open the launcher
[09:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[09:01] <incubii> the reason you cant type amsn anywhere is because the directory is not in the PATH variable
[09:01] <Wilf3> incubii, yes! how do i put it in there?
[09:02] <incubii> well to try it out to make sure that is why goto console and type "export PATH=$PATH;/amsndirectory
[09:03] <incubii> then in the same console goto say / and see if it works
[09:03] <incubii> to permantly do it though you would need to edit your bash profile i beleive
[09:03] <incubii> did you compile amsn?
[09:04] <Wilf3> i installed it from a .bin
[09:04] <Wilf3> so just ./amsn-blah.bin
[09:04] <incubii> oh ok
[09:05] <incubii> was gonna say there might be an installer for root user to put it in /bin and other locations
[09:05] <whiskers> i wish i knew why my dsl line keeps getting knocked out
[09:05] <incubii> as /bin is in the path variable
[09:05] <Wilf3> ok
[09:05] <Wilf3> how do i make it permanent?
[09:05] <Wilf3> the just "amsn"
[09:05] <whiskers> i can't believe someone at MS said Access was worth $200....I would not even pay $100
[09:06] <Wilf3> i paid $0.20...the cost of a CD-R
[09:06] <whiskers> Wilf3, well that is against the law in the US
[09:06] <calc> against the law most places due to berne
[09:07] <Wilf3> illegal yes...better then paying $200...yes
[09:07] <incubii> to make it permanent you could edit /etc/bash.profile
[09:07] <Wilf3> ah that's the file!
[09:07] <Wilf3> thanks!
[09:07] <whiskers> Wilf3, well you dont have to be illegal...you can work your ass off for 11 years and get something working yourself
[09:07] <whiskers> Wilf3, and save $100
[09:08] <calc> use of commercial software without paying for it is just as bad as using it and paying for it
[09:08] <calc> don't do either
[09:08] <incubii> lol
[09:08] <incubii> i obtained it for free legally
[09:08] <incubii> and dont use it
[09:08] <incubii> :D
[09:08] <calc> the more people using floss software the more likely there will be improvements made to it :)
[09:08] <Wilf3> well i'm using kubuntu...so that's a start
[09:08] <whiskers> Wilf3, yes kubuntu is nicer than ubuntu alone
[09:09] <calc> btw how do you install kubuntu from the ubuntu dvd images?
[09:09] <calc> from what i read it was supposed to be possible
[09:09] <calc> but i couldn't determine what to type
[09:10] <whiskers> calc, you just get ubuntu and then find everything you can on kde stuff and use synaptic to get it all
[09:10] <calc> hrm that sucks
[09:11] <calc> well obviously installing the kubuntu metapackage will probably do that
[09:11] <whiskers> calc, well it was only about 600 files
[09:11] <uniq_> isn't the kubuntu-desktop metapackage included?
[09:11] <calc> but having an option to do it via the dvd would be nicer
[09:11] <calc> eg default to booting the ubuntu installer but be able to type "kubuntu" to use it instead
[09:11] <whiskers> calc, the 600 or so files only took about 6 hours to come in on synaptic
[09:11] <calc> whiskers: oh the files themselves are on the dvd
[09:12] <calc> so no need to network install them
[09:12] <whiskers> calc, i don't know about any dvd
[09:12] <whiskers> calc, i just download off of synaptic
[09:12] <calc> ok
[09:17] <whiskers> calc, and kde is nice...that quanta plus is very competitive with conglomerate
[09:18] <Riddell> uniq_: I updated the FAQ like you asked
[09:18] <whiskers> calc, and k designer is very competitive with glade
[09:18] <whiskers> calc, depending on which widgets you prefer to work with...gnome or kde
[09:18] <Wilf3> can i get kubuntu to access NTFS partitions?
[09:19] <whiskers> Wilf3, that is a kernel issue
[09:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> wilf3 yes
[09:19] <Wilf3> ...how?
[09:19] <incubii> captive ntfs
[09:19] <whiskers> Wilf3, first you have to see if ubuntu compiled ntfs support in kernel
[09:19] <whiskers> Wilf3, and there is separate read and write support
[09:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> look in the faq. theres instructions
[09:20] <Wilf3> ok :\
[09:20] <whiskers> Wilf3, you may have to compile your own linux kernel
[09:20] <Wilf3> aw man :(
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> shouldent
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> read is ok. just read the faq.
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> you need to set guid=0222 or somthing in your fstab
[09:21] <Wilf3> where's the faq? :\
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> # /dev/sda1     /mnt/sda1       ntfs    umask=0222 0    0
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> /dev/sda2       /mnt/sda2       ntfs    umask=0222 0    0 # System folders
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> /dev/sda5       /mnt/sda5       ntfs    umask=0222 0    0
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> /dev/sda6       /mnt/sda6       ntfs    umask=0222 0    0 # Storage
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> /dev/sda7       /mnt/sda7       ntfs    umask=0222 0    0 # Media
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> like that
[09:21] <Wilf3> he ntfs drives show up in my folder thingy
[09:22] <Wilf3> but it says it can't mount them or something
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> do ^^ that and you can mount them. youstill cant read though
[09:22] <Wilf3> ok where is that
[09:22] <Wilf3> so i can edit it
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> cant WRITE
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> can READ
[09:23] <Wilf3> read is good
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> as root type
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> cat vi /etc/fstab
[09:23] <whiskers> Wilf3, you have to compile your own kernel if you want all the features of linux
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> or nano or emacs or whatever you use
[09:23] <Wilf3> mmm nano
[09:23] <Wilf3> ooo pico
[09:24] <whiskers> Wilf3,  i think i will go compile a kernel just to see if ubuntu works
[09:26] <incubii> damn it its takin forever to install the devices
[09:26] <whiskers> Wilf3, so far make config...seems to be working with a kernel compilation
[09:27] <whiskers> Wilf3, so it probably is possible...but i have not done one in a while
[09:27] <smouche> #
[09:27] <smouche> sudo mkdir /media/windows
[09:27] <smouche> # To mount Windows partition
[09:27] <smouche> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[09:27] <smouche> # To unmount Windows partition
[09:27] <smouche> sudo umount /media/windows/
[09:27] <smouche> wouldn't that work?
[09:28] <smouche> or something like that - anyway, that's from ubuntuguide.org
[09:29] <Wilf3> hmmm
[09:29] <Wilf3> do i put that in my /etc/fstab?
[09:29] <Wilf3> imean can i add it myself?
[09:29] <Wilf3> like this
[09:29] <Wilf3> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[09:29] <Wilf3> #
[09:29] <Wilf3> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[09:29] <Wilf3> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[09:29] <Wilf3> /dev/hda5       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:29] <Wilf3> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[09:29] <Wilf3> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[09:29] <Wilf3> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[09:29] <Wilf3> /dev/hda
[09:30] <Wilf3> /dev/hdb
[09:30] <Wilf3> oops
[09:30] <smouche> well, ubuntuguide has this:
[09:30] <smouche> #
[09:30] <smouche> Assumed that /dev/hda1 is the location of Windows partition (NTFS)
[09:30] <smouche>      Local mount folder: /media/windows
[09:30] <smouche> #
[09:30] <smouche> sudo mkdir /media/windows
[09:31] <smouche> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup
[09:31] <smouche> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[09:31] <smouche> # Append the following line at the end of file
[09:31] <smouche> /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[09:31] <Wilf3> ah ok
[09:32] <Wilf3> i also want to mount my other hdd
[09:32] <Wilf3> is that just hdb
[09:32] <Wilf3> or hdb1?
[09:35] <incubii> glad im not relying on winxp install in qemu
[09:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> is it a new hard drive or a new parition?
[09:35] <incubii> its been 37 minutes since it said it would be 37 minutes to install devices and it still says 37 minutes
[09:35] <incubii> :D
[09:35] <Wilf3> um...neither
[09:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:35] <Wilf3> existing partition with ntfs
[09:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[09:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> the ohter hdd you want to mount. is that a partition or a drvie
[09:36] <Wilf3> oh. physical drive.
[09:36] <Wilf3> primary slave.
[09:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hdb
[09:37] <whiskers> wow what a bunch of crap...look at MS getting back into the browser business
[09:37] <whiskers> At any rate, Microsoft should put their resources into making one killer browser. Make it as lightweight as Netscape 2.0 was, yet support the latest CSS kung-fu. Implement all of the latest widgets and hoohaws as plugins so I can remove ActiveX support if I want. And above all, make it cross platform. Use a library like FLTK so it can be used just about anywhere.
[09:38] <whiskers> now they want to support the latest CSS KUNGFU
[09:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> "make it cross platform."  Can someone help me out?
[10:13] <wuschel> ask!
[10:13] <DaBlade> What I need to know is how the installer is (easy or hard, graphical or command line)
[10:13] <DaBlade> Is it using Xorg or XFree86?
[10:13] <DaBlade> LILO or Grub
[10:13] <wuschel> what u want easy or hard
[10:14] <DaBlade> easy
[10:14] <incubii> text installer, very simple, uses xorg
[10:14] <DaBlade> Great
[10:14] <incubii> lilo or grub unless you are on ppc
[10:14] <incubii> then its yaboot
[10:14] <DaBlade> I'll use Grub
[10:14] <DaBlade> what kernel series?
[10:14] <incubii> latest 2.6
[10:14] <DaBlade> Great
[10:14] <wuschel> the installer is the best i've ever seen
[10:14] <DaBlade> Oh, and one last thing
[10:14] <wuschel> i know suse, mandrake, knoppix
[10:15] <DaBlade> I've tried both Slackware and Knoppix before, but so far only Fedora has worked
[10:15] <DaBlade> After installing them and rebooting, I get a strange error
[10:15] <wuschel> kunbuntu was on in 15min.
[10:15] <wuschel> no probs
[10:15] <DaBlade> The error was:
[10:15] <incubii> 15?
[10:15] <wuschel> yes
[10:15] <incubii> install in 15 mins ?
[10:15] <DaBlade> You have passed an undefined video mode number
[10:15] <wuschel> why not?
[10:15] <DaBlade> Something like that
[10:16] <DaBlade> and whatever I select, I can't get it to boot properly
[10:16] <incubii> i thought you meant boot in 15 mins, lol
[10:16] <DaBlade> when xf86/xorg is supposed to run, nothing happens, nor does running startx
[10:16] <DaBlade> hello?
[10:16] <wuschel> can u start in the konsole
[10:17] <DaBlade> I don't know how to boot in runlevel 3 without setting it to do so before rebooting
[10:17] <wuschel> perhaps sour graphiccard wasnt correctly detected
[10:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> dablade. is this an install?
[10:17] <DaBlade> It was on Knoppix and Slackware3
[10:17] <DaBlade> *slackware
[10:18] <DaBlade> I don't wanna delete FC3, all my files and settings, and find out this doesn't work either
[10:18] <wuschel> DaBlade: save the important configs etc. with tar on an other partition
[10:19] <wuschel> the test kunbuntu
[10:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> to enter runleves you type init *
[10:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> init number
[10:19] <DaBlade> ok
[10:20] <DaBlade> I'll save the files, although I'll use a long time finding which giles to save and which ones to lose in the partition (over 50 gigs of files lol)
[10:20] <DaBlade> A lot of DVDrs... lol
[10:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> im not exactly sure what your problems ar dablade.
[10:21] <DaBlade> Well I just don't want that error...
[10:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> to fix video errors on ubuntu you use dpkg-reconfigure
[10:23] <DaBlade> um...ok.. lol
[10:23] <wuschel> if i understand DaBlade correct he has errors with FC3
[10:23] <wuschel> or not?
[10:24] <DaBlade> No
[10:24] <DaBlade> I've had errors with all distros I've tried but FC3
[10:24] <wuschel> Ahh jetzt ja...
[10:25] <DaBlade> You passed an undefined mode number. Press [Return]  to see video modes available or press [spacebar]  to continue.
[10:25] <DaBlade> ^That error haunts every distro I've tried but FC3
[10:25] <wuschel> DaBlade: how many free space do u have on your hd?
[10:25] <wuschel> perhaps u can install kubuntu on an other partition
[10:27] <wuschel> for testing u need only 2,2GB (my new installation)
[10:30] <DaBlade> I got around 30 gigs free
[10:30] <DaBlade> But I'm intending to install it system wide
[10:31] <wuschel> thats good!
[10:31] <wuschel> for testing i prefer an own partition
[10:32] <DaBlade> It isn't for testing. I've grown sick of Fedora
[10:32] <wuschel> if all is running than u can backup your system, repartition your hd an restore all
[10:33] <DaBlade> It's gotten slow, and I'm having a hard time fixing package conflicts without sacrificing good apps (like having to remove amaroK because libtag doesn't work)
[10:34] <DaBlade> Anyway, I'm off
[10:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> k.
[10:34] <DaBlade> thanks for your help people
[10:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> have fun
[10:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> no worries
[10:34] <wuschel> good luck
[10:34] <DaBlade> thanks
[10:34] <DaBlade> adios
[10:44] <Wilf> anyone know how i can enable 5.1 sound?
[10:45] <Wilf> NVidia nForce2:Realtek ALC650 rev 3 - Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe onboard sound
[10:51] <wuschel> how can i config my monitor-refreshrate in kubuntu?
[10:51] <wuschel> After install i've 60Hz, but my moni can 100Hz
[10:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you looked in the controll center?
[10:52] <htaccess> hi trying to get mp3 playback working in xmms as per: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats plays oggs not mp3, doesnt say i need to install a codec package, is this true how do i get it working?
[10:52] <wuschel> yes, but didnt find anything (perhaps i'm blind ;-))
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> wuschel. you might not have found anything
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> it depends on your X setups
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> htaccess. have you checked your apt repositry. i think its in there
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> wuschel. you used linux mych?
[10:56] <htaccess> Kamping_Kaiser, i have xmms installed and the instructions dont mention any other codecs etc, but mp3 playback dont work but ogg does, so im wondering how to get it going
[10:57] <wuschel> Kamping_Kaiser: more linux than windows
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> htaccess. theres a script on i think ubuntu forums. just a tic. ill just talk with wuschel
[10:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> wuschel. i dont know if you have used this app before, but in a terminal type
[10:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:01] <incubii> Win2kpro is on the go
[11:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. is that 12 hours?
[11:02] <incubii> WinXP hung on installing devices
[11:02] <incubii> win2kpro seems to be doing much better
[11:02] <incubii> win98 refuses to detect the cdrom in the installer
[11:02] <incubii> of course this is probably all because im on ppc
[11:02] <incubii> :D
[11:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) realy screwing the system
[11:03] <incubii> and i dont have to be worried about system going slow because qemu doesnt support multi processors
[11:03] <incubii> so i have 1 cpu emulating and 1 for everything else
[11:04] <incubii> once windows is installed i plan on running linux inside windows inside linux
[11:04] <incubii> that will take most of next week to install
[11:04] <incubii> :D
[11:05] <wuschel> Kamping_Kaiser: thx, i'll test it
[11:06] <wuschel> (the debian-commands ar new 4 me, coming from gentoo)
[11:06] <shogouki> damn i dont manage to find a good html page with the design of about:konqueror
[11:07] <incubii> oo sense you make good
[11:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[11:13] <htaccess> i am getting errors on kdelibs-data upgrade: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6c7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> 4 ppl today have had that problem
[11:13] <incubii> not me :D
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[11:13] <incubii> then again im not at work to update breezy again
[11:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> you running kubuntu or ubuntu?
[11:14] <incubii> at work? kubuntu
[11:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just did a dist upgrade to ubuntu breezy, but i have kde for helping ppl
[11:14] <htaccess> well i did an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu, im running kde, trying to run gnome just hangs
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> erk
[11:17] <incubii> im lookin forward to breezy
[11:17] <incubii> is KDE4 planned for it ?
[11:18] <Wilf> anyone know how to get 5.1 surround sound working? :\
[11:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> i expect so, but i dont know
[11:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> no wilf, sorry
[11:18] <incubii> nope
[11:18] <incubii> i use the G4's pc speaker
[11:18] <incubii> :D
[11:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> sinner incubii ;)
[11:19] <incubii> you should hear the sound that comes out of that speaker
[11:19] <incubii> its pretty damn good
[11:19] <incubii> sure id take a proper set of speakers any day of the week but thats just more money and space gone
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> yp. im inclined to agree
[11:25] <Kyaneos> hi
[11:26] <incubii> lol it took 20 mins to install the start menu items
[11:35] <incubii> i dunno if anyone who cares is in here but the special keys on a mac keyboard stop working one you switch from a uni processor kernel to an smp processor kernel on a G4
[11:37] <rejser> Hi, someone a little more experienced than me that would lito help me with a "kernel-change" problem
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:37] <incubii> did linux poop its diaper?
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats up rejser?
[11:39] <rejser> Kamping_Kaiser: after i apt-get linux-k7 and reboot I get kernel panic - not syncing....
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you install the image and header files?
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> and whats your cpu?
[11:40] <incubii> you sure you are on a K7 processor
[11:40] <rejser> Kamping_Kaiser: athlon xp, also tried the 686 files, yep, the headers to
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont uses 686, they wont work
[11:40] <rejser> used to slackware where I just get my source and install
[11:41] <rejser> Only run ubuntu for a couple of days
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> are XPs k8 or k7?
[11:42] <incubii> 8
[11:42] <incubii> k7 is the onler thunderbird i beleive
[11:42] <incubii> b4 the xp came out
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm. but its the only amd kernel?
[11:42] <incubii> cause i use to have a k6
[11:42] <incubii> vanilla kernel should work
[11:43] <incubii> k7 shoudl work on an XP though
[11:43] <incubii> so should i386
[11:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> the 386 kernel will work. and the k7 kernel SHOULD work. without problems.
[11:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[11:44] <rejser> the i386 work, but i have 1.5 GB of ram so miss some
[11:44] <incubii> id say the k7 will be the same also
[11:44] <incubii> unless it has bigmem enabled
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> so what did it do when it panicked?
[11:45] <rejser> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28038&page=2&pp=10 <-- Have posted there, but no answers
[11:46] <incubii> hmm qemu is runnin on cpu2 now
[11:46] <incubii> you know it would be nice if top could indicate which cpu a process was runnin on
[11:46] <incubii> that would be awesome
[11:46] <rejser> It complains about missing configuration during the install
[11:47] <rejser> incubii: running multicpu or hyperthreading?
[11:47] <incubii> Dual 1.42ghz PPC
[11:47] <rejser> :)
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> bastard
[11:48] <incubii> its very nice
[11:48] <incubii> ive neve rhad an x86 system that worked as nice as this
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i can imagine. the dual bit would own
[11:50] <incubii> yep
[11:50] <incubii> cept when i run kaffeine
[11:50] <incubii> that always brings the system to its knees
[11:50] <incubii> buggy pos
[11:51] <rejser> I'm missing the initrd file, so I tried to make one by mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-2.5.10-5-k7 /lib/modules/
[11:51] <rejser> the img file
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> see what happens when you install ALL hte K7 stuff
[11:52] <rejser> already tried, all the same
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> perhaps not hte smp stuff of course...
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[11:52] <rejser> not the smp of course
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you not have the image, or is it not linked to?
[11:53] <rejser> don't think I have, not really sure where it installs on ubuntu, don't think I have
[11:53] <rejser> But if I tried to create I get
[11:53] <rejser> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: 254:0: Cannot find LVM device
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> try whereis yourkernelname
[11:54] <rejser> get nothing
[11:55] <incubii> whereis linux-smp: your kernel is takign a coffee break would you like to reboot, or crash and hang?
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> im off to make a semitute on "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" so i wont be here so much ;)
[11:55] <rejser> :)
[11:56] <incubii> this is the longest install of windows ive ever had
[11:57] <rejser> could it have anything with "Cannot find LVM device"?
[11:58] <incubii> sounds like it cant find the hdd
[11:59] <rejser> Maybe therefor kernel panic issue, unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[12:00] <infornography> Anybody had trouble with sound after installing GAIM?
[12:00] <sdogi> no
[12:00] <infornography> Sound works fine for everything else, just not that
[12:01] <rejser> lvmdiscscan says that I have 0 disks, but 6 partitions, is that normal?
[12:01] <infornography> If I set the sound method to "Arts" then I do get sounds, but after a delay of several seconds
[12:02] <incubii> 6 partitions? is ubuntu the only one installed
[12:03] <incubii> if it cant find root you can tell it where it is by passing 'kernelname root=/dev/hda1'  for example at the boot prompt
[12:04] <rejser> the menu.lst is including that
[12:05] <rejser> running 386 kernel works
[12:05] <rejser> just when I trie to install any other
[12:05] <rejser> only ubuntu as os
[12:07] <incubii> hmm i dunno then ive exhausted what little knowledge i have in that area
[12:07] <rejser> isn't supoes to just apt-get install linux-k7 if you wan't to install?
[12:07] <rejser> suppose
[12:07] <incubii> yes
[12:07] <incubii> it should just work
[12:08] <rejser> searched entire ubuntufrums.org for someone with the same error, maybe it is my hardware
[12:09] <incubii> if it doesnt maybe its a bug then i dunno, all i can suggest is reinstalling the box, install the kernel again and see if u get the same error
[12:10] <rejser> reinstalled 3 times already
[12:10] <incubii> did you apt-get update before you tried installing the kernel ?
[12:10] <rejser> thought of exchaning the kernel files in the installer so it installs with k7 kernel
[12:10] <rejser> yepp, apt-get updated
[12:12] <enver555> hi
[12:12] <rejser> maybe it is a lvm-config issue
[12:15] <rejser> incubii: what do your output get if you run lvmdiskscan?
[12:16] <rejser> 0 disks, 6 partitions, 0 LVM physical volume whole disks, 0 LVM physical volumes <-- doesn't feel right
[12:18] <incubii> sorry for spam
[12:18] <incubii> File descriptor 7 left open
[12:18] <incubii> File descriptor 8 left open
[12:18] <incubii> File descriptor 9 left open
[12:18] <incubii> File descriptor 10 left open
[12:18] <incubii> File descriptor 14 left open
[12:18] <incubii>   /etc/lvm/.cache: open failed: Permission denied
[12:18] <incubii>   /dev/hda: open failed: Permission denied
[12:18] <incubii>   /dev/hda1: open failed: Permission denied
[12:18] <incubii>   /dev/hda2: open failed: Permission denied
[12:18] <incubii>   /dev/hda3: open failed: Permission denied
[12:18] <incubii>   /dev/hda4: open failed: Permission denied
[12:18] <incubii>   /etc/lvm/.cache: fopen failed: Permission denied
[12:18] <incubii>   0 disks
[12:18] <incubii>   0 partitions
[12:18] <incubii>   0 LVM physical volume whole disks
[12:18] <incubii>   0 LVM physical volumes
[12:19] <rejser> hmmm...
[12:19] <rejser> does it change if you run it as root?
[12:20] <incubii>   /dev/hda  [      111.79 GB]
[12:20] <incubii>   /dev/hda2 [      977.00 KB]
[12:20] <incubii>   /dev/hda3 [      110.35 GB]
[12:20] <incubii>   /dev/hda4 [        1.44 GB]
[12:20] <incubii>   1 disk
[12:20] <incubii>   3 partitions
[12:20] <incubii>   0 LVM physical volume whole disks
[12:20] <incubii>   0 LVM physical volumes
[12:20] <incubii> yeah i forgot to do that
[12:20] <incubii> lol
[12:20] <rejser> :)
[12:20] <incubii> the first to parts are apple specific stuff
[12:20] <incubii> the other two are root and swap
[12:20] <rejser> file descriptor?
[12:21] <rejser> but you get 1 disk recogniced
[12:21] <rejser> I get none
[12:21] <incubii> there should b 4 partitions
[12:21] <incubii> lol
[12:21] <incubii> hmm
[12:22] <incubii> omg win2kpro finished installing
[12:24] <rejser> What do you need win for?
[12:24] <incubii> cause i can on ppc
[12:25] <rejser> :)
[12:25] <incubii> just like i use Dr Dos 7.03 for my media b0x
[12:25] <incubii> to play audio and divx/dvds
[12:25] <incubii> :D
[12:27] <rejser> :)
[12:27] <incubii> the only problem is QEMU ppc doesnt come with kqemu
[12:27] <incubii> so i have no accelerator
[12:29] <rejser> that kind of sucks
[12:34] <incubii> oh my that was a waste
[12:34] <incubii> it wont boot up after i killed qemu and started again
[12:34] <incubii> LOL
[12:35] <infornography> Can anybody tell me where the kopete history gets stored?
[12:37] <incubii> probably ~/.kopete
[12:38] <rejser> I thought so to, but I run kopete and have no .kopete
[12:41] <incubii> got me stumped then
[12:41] <rejser> not in .kde/applications either
[12:42] <infornography> Yeah, I've looked everywhere I could think of. ~.kopete was my first guess too
[12:45] <rejser> think that maybe it is lvm that creates my problems
[12:45] <rejser> how do one add a drive to lvm?
[12:47] <incubii> if i knew i would tell ya
[12:52] <rejser> lvm.conf doesn't make me any happier...
[12:53] <rejser> slackware is easier
[01:38] <sergio> hi
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[01:39] <sergio> at now i have problems because my wifi ccard detects my wlan....but my router doesn't give to me an ip adress......
[01:39] <sergio> and the router is configured in DHCP
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> so your systems not set to get a dynamic ip?
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> try running dhclient, if you get an ip from that then its your config
[01:40] <sergio> if i conect with ethernet card i obtain ip but with wireless card i don't get ip
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont have wireless, but it should be just like a static network to configure it thought
[01:43] <incubii> "sergio at now i have problems because my wifi ccard detects my wlan....but my router doesn't give to me an ip adress......" , lol i read that as your wife doesnt detect your van
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:44] <sergio> jeje
[01:47] <rejser> Kamping_Kaiser: you know anything about lvm?
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> not a lot.
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do you want to know particularly?
[01:48] <rejser> bummer
[01:49] <rejser> when I trie to install kernel I get error that there is no LVM device, I can add partitions to lvm, but not device, pvcreate don't work on /dev/hda (for example)
[01:49] <rejser> how do I add an entire drive, not just partitions
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry dont know. i have never tried to use it, so yep.
[01:51] <rejser> might I ask what your output on lvmdiskscan is (run as root)
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> ill pm it to you, or ill get kicked for flooding ;)
[01:52] <rejser> thats ok
[01:54] <stianh> hey, is there a hotkey for switcing between tabs in KDE windows? ie. in Konqueror and Kopete chatwindows?
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you hover a mouse over the tabs, the scroll wheel works, i dont know about a key combo
[02:03] <xiaogil> hotplug doesn't work at the boot, it stops the boot process, i have to type Ctrl+C to keep on booting, and then the internet doesn't work, what should i do to solve this problem ?
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> xiaogil. do you use a dial up modem, or hte network card or usb for your internet
[02:06] <xiaogil> Kamping_Kaiser: I use the ethernet port
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> incubii is joking?
[02:06] <xiaogil> Kamping_Kaiser: actually, not only the internet doesn't work but some other things too, like the sound
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think you have 3 seperate problems btw.
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you use dhcp to get your network ip?
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> or is it static
[02:08] <rejser> :D
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :0>
[02:09] <incubii> incubii is not joking
[02:14] <hunger> ARG! The breezy kubuntu-desktop depends on gtk!
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ...
[02:16] <hunger> msttcorefonts (which kubuntu-desktop suggests is not even available.
[02:18] <KaiL> msttcorefonts is in "multiverse" I guess
 ARG! The breezy kubuntu-desktop depends on gtk! << which package does this? kicker-applets?
[02:20] <hunger> KaiL: Dunno. Just switched to breezy and that wants to install gtk.
[02:20] <KaiL> xmms too?
[02:20] <hunger> KaiL: Nope.
[02:21] <KaiL> that's somethjng new then ;)
[02:21] <hunger> KaiL: I guess due to OOo2... but I am not sure.
[02:23] <Anlar> because at the next version it will have full support for targeted policies selinux.. the rest just did't make it into hoary
[02:24] <hunger> Anlar: Well, seems only prelink depends on libselinux.
[02:24] <Anlar> the rest just did not make it in time, thought they were almost ready
[02:24] <hunger> Yeap, it is OOo2 that drags in gtk.
[02:37] <hunger> And python-gst depends on gtk as well:-(
[02:47] <osx> Hello! the letters  is not recognised correctly for my vfat partition. How do I fix that?
[02:48] <theD3viL> hm
[02:48] <theD3viL> dunno :)
[02:48] <osx> I tried to edit the fstab for charset latin1
[02:48] <osx> ok :(
[02:48] <osx> did like this:
[02:48] <osx> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[02:48] <theD3viL> why do you have win on the box? :P
[02:48] <osx> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

[02:48] <osx> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[02:48] <osx> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />

[02:49] <osx> /dev/hdb5 /media/hdb5 vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0 users,exec,umask=000 0 0</pre></body>

[02:49] <osx> ops
[02:49] <osx> my girlfriend would kill my if it was not there
[02:49] <osx> *hehe*
[02:50] <shogouki> osx: try pastebin.com next time
[02:50] <osx> shogouki:  I'll do that *thx*
[02:53] <osx> I have checked my fstab against mepis (where the isocharset work)...But the problem remain
[02:59] <osx> I will change iocharset from iso8859-1 (i.e. latin-1) to utf8 (like unicode can repressent all characters)
[03:00] <osx> brb...
[03:00] <pdk> I am curious what graphical editor  does people generally use for HTML?
[03:01] <buz> none
[03:01] <rejser> quanta
[03:01] <buz> there's no really useable graphical csss designer i know of
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> kedit before, now gedit
[03:02] <smouche> what about bluefish?  I was thinking of installing that
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> nvu is goodish
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> the latest is good anyway
[03:06] <rejser> Why not use Dreamweaver?
[03:08] <malte> it doesn't work natively with linux and is pretty expensive
[03:09] <rejser> It works really smooth with wine, and there is no so good wysiwyg for linux, (maybe nvu), unfortunally it is expensive
[03:11] <ojw> nvu seems to be the main project with dreamweaver-like aspirations (and they start with the best HTML editor I've seen)
[03:11] <spiral> is there somewhere we can download a dvd of hoary ?
[03:12] <membreya> spiral: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> my isp had kubuntu dvds. dont know about ubuntu
[03:13] <spiral> membreya: kubuntu
[03:13] <membreya> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/
[03:13] <spiral> membreya: is it a final version ?
[03:14] <membreya> yup
[03:14] <membreya> 5.04
[03:14] <spiral> membreya: not still a testing one ?
[03:14] <spiral> april the 7th... was it already out ?
[03:14] <membreya> yes
[03:14] <spiral> membreya: all right, thanks :-)
[03:14] <membreya> np
[03:16] <buz> is it normal that i need to install sshd myself???
[03:16] <buz> or did it get lost somewhere
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes you do
[03:16] <Anlar> apt-get install ssh
[03:17] <buz> mhh
[03:17] <buz> weird
[03:17] <buz> i thought every self respecting OS would supply sshd out of box
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> not realy
[03:17] <Anlar> by default only the client is installed.
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a client box, not a se4rver
[03:17] <buz> then how am i supposed to share files if i can't use scp? hihi
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> nfs? not?
[03:18] <buz> its much faster to load up scp on a mac than fiddle with nfs
[03:18] <membreya> buz: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[03:18] <buz> membreya: i figured that myself
[03:18] <membreya> use samba to share files
[03:18] <buz> i hate samba
[03:18] <buz> beside there's got to be a better way to share stuff between unix boxes than SMB ;)
[03:18] <membreya> samba rocks my world
[03:18] <membreya> why?
[03:19] <membreya> what's wrong with samba?
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[03:19] <buz> cause smb is fucking hack
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleh
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh...
[03:19] <membreya> smb is the standard :)
[03:19] <membreya> and preferred file sharer
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> you havent used smb with xp have you?
[03:19] <buz> i tried
[03:19] <buz> two identical boxes
[03:19] <buz> one would work, the other dl with only 300b/s
[03:19] <ojw> interesting idea of "standard", membreya ;-)
[03:19] <membreya> :P
[03:19] <membreya> shhh
[03:19] <buz> i think it's called de facto standard ;)
[03:19] <membreya> trying to prove a point ojw :P
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. the standards ok. MS just need to use it
[03:20] <membreya> it's easy to share with a windows box
[03:20] <membreya> easiest way though is to chmod 777 the dir :P
[03:20] <membreya> and set security to share
[03:20] <membreya> rather than user
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> it is a standard, but MS break it on purpose
[03:21] <buz> and it would be OPENLY documented
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> its not even their standard
[03:34] <Anlar> Intel's mostly.
[03:35] <ojw> so what's the best CPU to buy at the moment for desktops?
[03:36] <membreya> amd :D
[03:36] <buz> amd athlon 64 socket 939 winchester
[03:37] <buz> now as for boards, i'm still looking for the best ones ;)
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> im an intel fan. hence i shut up, because i cant think independantly
[03:38] <buz> i can see pentium m in notebooks
[03:38] <membreya> Kamping_Kaiser: damn slave to the MHz train of thought :P
[03:38] <buz> i can't ever understand why someone would buy P4 tho
[03:38] <ojw> pity a new faster processor is needed, just to run KDE though...
[03:38] <membreya> buz: not even a P4E? :)
[03:38] <buz> no
[03:39] <buz> i dont want a hot plate in my machine
[03:39] <theD3viL> i am intel fan too, but dont have $ to buy it =/
[03:39] <membreya> ojw: my amd64 3200 is too slow IMHO ..but then again, I'm never happy
[03:39] <buz> too slow?
[03:39] <buz> too slow for what??
[03:39] <buz> i'm currently on a lowly 2000 athlon
[03:39] <ojw> 700MHz on KDE3.4, to rip cds, do updates, and browse web
[03:40] <membreya> ubuntu takes about 1 minute to load..too slow :|
[03:40] <buz> lol
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> buz. because it kicked the shit out of amd hadns down at the time
[03:40] <buz> how often do you switch on your machine??
[03:40] <buz> what?
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats why i got my p4
[03:40] <buz> i can't really remember intel ever kicking the shit out of amd since the athlon was released
[03:40] <membreya> buz: my pc is on 24/7
[03:40] <buz> so where's the problem
[03:41] <membreya> buz: original athlon was not that great
[03:41] <membreya> cheap and nasty
[03:41] <buz> it gave the p3 a run for its money
[03:41] <buz> i've been buying strictly amd since the k5 days
[03:41] <buz> never had a problem
[03:42] <buz> only intel cpu i bought was in a cheap notebook some time
[03:42] <buz> ah and back in the days, an 486/66
[03:42] <membreya> last intel I had (aside from my p4 1.7 which I gave away) was an 486 DX2/66
[03:42] <buz> hehe
[03:42] <buz> me too
[03:42] <membreya> ojw: look at all your services :P
[03:43] <membreya> mind you my system loads samba, nfs, mysql, apache2, squid
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:44] <membreya> my parents were more than happy to receive my p4 1.7
[03:44] <membreya> but I thought it was a POS
[03:44] <buz> the p4 is a deeply fucked up design
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> just short sighted
[03:44] <buz> the world could have saved a few nuclear plants if intel did do a saner design
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) dual cores:):):):)
[03:45] <membreya> quad cores? :D
[03:45] <buz> yeah
[03:45] <buz> opteron dual core
[03:45] <buz> or better even, quad power 5
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> intel duals.
[03:45] <membreya> ;)
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> mm
[03:45] <membreya> only thing I think intel does well is xeons..and who can afford them
[03:46] <buz> nah
[03:46] <buz> opterons are much better cpus
[03:46] <membreya> ojw: do you own one? :P
[03:46] <gahan> how do ienable trash on desktop
[03:46] <ojw> we just buy "standard dell dual-processor" everything at work, 16-machines-at-a-time sort of thing for clusters, seems to all be xeon
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:47] <ojw> I have pentium at home, but it's very old
[03:47] <buz> well with dell it would be xeons
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> always.
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> bit silly realy
[03:47] <Anlar> the best would be itanium but some dorks diss it for no reason
[03:47] <buz> itanium? now that is really weird cpu
[03:48] <buz> no wonder nobody wants it
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> its cool
[03:48] <buz> if you want a server cpu, get a power5
[03:48] <Anlar> it's one of the very few actually new designs instead of just tweaking the old. it has some serious juice and that arch will go still far
[03:48] <buz> no
[03:48] <buz> it will be cancelled before long
[03:48] <buz> nobody buys it
[03:48] <buz> intel should face reality already
[03:48] <Anlar> yes, because some dorks diss it for no real reason
[03:49] <buz> no real reason?
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> anlar. it could have gone far. but dual cores etc will kill it
[03:49] <buz> it's fucking expensive and nobody really understands how to code for it
[03:49] <Anlar> architecturically it's Sweet. and it packs serious power.
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> no real reason yeh thats true
[03:49] <Anlar> kamping_kaiser: so? they can build dual-core itaniums as well..
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> and its 64 bit.
[03:49] <buz> so what
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> so architecturically it's Sweet. and it packs serious power.
[03:49] <buz> powerpc has been 64bit for half a decade now
[03:49] <Anlar> something being dual-core is just hype.. it's just two cpu's glued together (+ "some" stuff.)
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. sun had 128 bit workstations in 1990
[03:50] <buz> wtf
[03:50] <buz> sun still sells 64bit cpus
[03:50] <buz> 128bit doesn't really make sense in  a cpu so much
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hate them for it ;)
[03:50] <buz> i'd rather get an ultrasparc than itanic even
[03:50] <Anlar> itanium has got the registers. that's sweet. you can for instance make mp3 encoder (or any other math) on cpu only, without the need of gazillion memory accesses.. optimizing something for itanium makes it kick ass seriously.
[03:50] <buz> now the alpha, THAT was a sweet architecture
[03:51] <buz> wtf got time to optimize stuff
[03:51] <Anlar> all you need is data in, data out. no stacks or any crap.
[03:51] <Anlar> compilers do.
[03:51] <buz> yeah
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:51] <buz> like anyone actually had a good itanic compiler
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> and intel provide one
[03:51] <Anlar> Intel does.
[03:51] <buz> if it was any good, people might buy itanic
[03:52] <Anlar> just as when you use ICC to compile linux kernel you get ~30% speed increase in overall to your system.
[03:52] <Anlar> it is good. it's superb.
[03:52] <motaboy> Hi all!
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mota.
[03:52] <buz> so the market shuns it for no rational reason?
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> its uncool
[03:52] <Anlar> buz: actually, yes.
[03:52] <buz> price / performance sucks
[03:52] <Anlar> buz: lots of fud perhaps flying.. and some people don't want to change their software for any price. but the cpu is sweet.
[03:53] <Anlar> buz: actually not. you can't compare them with almost anything since they are in a way different class.
[03:53] <Anlar> perhaps with power5 but not with the rest.
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> tehy are non x86 so they are hard to compare
[03:53] <Anlar> and power5 isn't exactly cheap either.
[03:54] <buz> power5 aint that expensive
[03:54] <buz> cheapest power5 box is 5000$
[03:55] <buz> and the beauty of power: you can run the same BINARY on a lowly cpu like its found in a home routers just as well as on the biggest baddest quad core cpu with 128mb cache
[03:55] <Anlar> yes, power is quite nice indeed.
[03:57] <membreya> 128mb cache :|
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm. wtf...
[03:57] <Anlar> opterons give great value as well.. if I was into for instance server farms of any sort, I'd do cray xd-1 for sure.
[03:58] <smouche> does anyone know why I can get nifty .ogg sound previews just by mouse-over on desktop icons, but
[03:58] <smouche> in konqueror folders, I can't?
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> konquerors a pig imho
[03:58] <smouche> changing settings in the previews and metadata prefs don't have any effect...
[03:59] <membreya> smouche: did ya change your max file size on previews?
[03:59] <smouche> ah -- let me check, membreya
[04:00] <membreya> Kamping_Kaiser: what would you recommend above konq? :P
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> nautilus ;)
[04:00] <membreya> DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[04:00] <membreya> nautilus blows chunks
[04:00] <membreya> stop trolling :P
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:01] <smouche> hmmm, membreya -- bumping up max file size isn't doing it --
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> i did say imho :P
[04:02] <smouche> but I think you may have put me on the right track
[04:02] <buz> i'd say opterons probably give the most bang for the buck
[04:02] <smouche> don't understand why it works on desktop though, membreya...
[04:02] <membreya> smouche: I wouldn't know, I don't see the logic in "previewing" a sound file
[04:02] <buz> especially now that you can drop dual core into your machine
[04:02] <smouche> logic?
[04:03] <membreya> yes logic dear watson
[04:03] <smouche> useful for me at work, but explaining why would take a while...
[04:03] <membreya> ok :D
[04:04] <membreya> smouche: just WHY are you listening to sound files at work ..do some ..strange concept I know..work
[04:04] <membreya> :P
[04:04] <smouche> it's also useful if you have many sound projects, with similar titles, and you just want to hear the first few seconds
[04:04] <membreya> buz: ..it's been too long, how do I tell the make of AMD64 I'm running?
[04:05] <smouche> so you can tell 'em apart.
[04:05] <membreya> oh ok :)
[04:05] <buz> no idea
[04:05] <buz> dmesg would probably now a thing or two?
[04:05] <membreya> CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ stepping 00 thats the best info it gives, doesn't give the family name
[04:06] <smouche> membreya, I just want to scare people out of their socks with sudden random sound effects --
[04:06] <membreya> lol
[04:06] <buz> what socket is it
[04:06] <smouche> without forcing an error in an application first...
[04:06] <membreya> 745
[04:07] <buz> then its probably 130mm newcastle
[04:07] <membreya> erm 754 :P
[04:07] <buz> i dont think winchestere is available for 754
[04:07] <buz> winchester is a sweet cpu
[04:07] <membreya> AFAIK it's 939 only
[04:07] <buz> 3000+ takes just 29W under load
[04:07] <membreya> stupid roadmap
[04:07] <ojw> membreya: what's the problem with previewing soundfiles at work?
[04:07] <membreya> nobody told me 939 was the roadmap
[04:07] <buz> yeah
[04:08] <buz> otoh, mobos aint that expensive
[04:09] <membreya> i would rather upgrade my 512mb ram/120gb SATA or geforce4 4000 first :P
[04:10] <buz> i first need a good mainboard
[04:10] <buz> i'd upgrade the ram
[04:10] <buz> or if you need space, the sata
[04:10] <Thorrn4> hello!!! Im very new to Linux; I was wondering are there any benefits of Using Kubuntu of ubuntu; and what version of KDE does Kubuntu use?
[04:10] <theD3viL> KDE 3.4
[04:10] <membreya> Thorrn4: 3.4
[04:10] <KaiL> kubuntu uses KDE3.4
[04:10] <KaiL> ubuntu uses GNOME 2.10
[04:10] <membreya> buz: SATA has about 60gb free, so I'm cool...
[04:11] <KaiL> on both you can install the other desktop, as it's the same base system
[04:12] <Thorrn4> so, kubuntu would be a beginner's linux, easy 2 use and install?
[04:12] <segfault2k> but kubuntu is better, because you have KDE from the beginning
[04:12] <segfault2k> :P
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> membreya, what sort of cpu is yours amd or intel?
[04:13] <Thorrn4> I heard that u would install KDE of ubuntu and vice versa
[04:13] <membreya> gnome bites IMHO
[04:13] <membreya> Kamping_Kaiser: amd64 3200
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[04:14] <membreya> why? :|
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> i saw your question in Ubuntu, just wonderd. if it was a pentium, you would have a northwood, but i dont know amds system :(
[04:15] <buz> i'd say its a clawhammer
[04:15] <buz> but i'm not entirely sure
[04:18] <KaiL> membreya: Socket 754 or 939?
[04:18] <membreya> 754
[04:19] <KaiL> so no winchester
[04:19] <membreya> cpu family      : 15
[04:19] <membreya> model           : 12
[04:19] <KaiL> Newcastle or Clawhammer
[04:20] <membreya> grrr why can't i just find the name of it in proc
[04:20] <KaiL> what's the real CPU clock?
[04:20] <membreya> 2.2
[04:20] <KaiL> so Newcastle
[04:21] <KaiL> the other one is 2.0
[04:21] <membreya> ok, still wish there was an easier way to find that info :)
[04:21] <KaiL> at least they now give a usefull "model name"
[04:22] <KaiL> that's also not that old...
[04:22] <membreya> KaiL: where? :P
[04:22] <KaiL> /proc/cpuinfo
[04:22] <membreya> oh that..yeah that doesnt help to find the family name :P
[04:23] <membreya> aaah ...looking at this CPU and going back to when I ran a celeron at work with 64k cache :P
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> :}
[04:23] <KaiL> btw. cache size is also there - should be 1MiB
[04:24] <Thorrn4> thanks for your help guys
[04:25] <membreya> 512KB
[04:28] <membreya> i dont understand how watching TV on my tv tuner card can take my CPU to it's highest stepping :|
[04:28] <membreya> i would have thought that tuner card would do the work
[04:28] <KaiL> uhm, yes - 512...
[04:28] <KaiL> it might be the deinterlacer
[04:29] <membreya> you're a clever dickie :P
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> memhbreya full is to high. but it does use a bit
[04:30] <membreya> fixed it, it now doesn't take my CPU up beyond 1ghz
[04:30] <membreya> changed the deinterlacer config
[04:33] <segfault> XD
[04:33] <segfault> sorry
[04:33] <membreya> and list ALL the songs you want :P
[04:34] <segfault> XD
[04:34] <segfault> ahAHAH
[04:35] <smouche> membreya, what tuner card do you use?
[04:35] <membreya> Pinnacle PCTV Studio/Rave
[04:36] <smouche> I'm shopping for a replacement for my (now useless) ati all in wonder thing
[04:36] <smouche> thanks!
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have avermedia
[04:36] <smouche> anyone using hauppauge external usb, by any chance ?
[04:36] <smouche> sorry!  googling!
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:38] <segfault> lol
[04:38] <membreya> i love my pinnacle :)
[04:39] <smouche> internal or external?
[04:39] <membreya> internal
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> membreya what do you use for capture?
[04:40] <membreya> Kamping_Kaiser: I don't, I just use tvtime to watch TV :)
[04:40] <membreya> since it's not HDTV, no point capturing
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol ok.
[04:40] <membreya> but best is to use mythtv :)
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> k. i have it linked into a vcr and the antenna ;)
[04:41] <BlackLabel> membreya, how can i see ifmy tuner card is supported in ubuntu?
[04:41] <membreya> lol
[04:41] <smouche> capturing off digital cable with virtual dub worked well for me in windows,
[04:42] <smouche> but I'm a moron at reencoding stuff, so I stopped bothering...
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> i had some goood aps. now i need replacements'
[04:46] <smouche> folks, here's a numbskull question probably: but is there any such thing as an rss feed or other syndication thing for irc conversations?
[04:46] <membreya> BlackLabel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimedia
[04:47] <smouche> seems like it would be cool to browse irc transcripts in a newsreader...
[04:48] <membreya> smouche: just log it yourself :P
[04:48] <membreya> I log everything :)
[04:49] <smouche> well, yeah, me too membreya -- ;-)
[04:53] <membreya> smouche: define large
[04:55] <smouche> large.  I need to learn a way to automatically split logs by date or something.  probably a script for that I could learn or write if I weren't retarded.
[04:55] <gdh> smouche: isn't that what 'logrotate' is for?
[04:55] <smouche> gdh, maybe it is - thank you... (googling logrotate)
[04:55] <membreya> smouche: bigger n 10mb? :P
[04:56] <gdh> smouche: man logrotate - it's a standard part of every debian-based install
[04:56] <membreya> smouche: ever thought of man logrotate? lol
[04:56] <gdh> check /etc/logrotate.d
[04:56] <smouche> heh, yeah, man logrotate -- doing that now
[04:57] <smouche> well, I need to learn how to do cron jobs in general, in fact.
[04:58] <smouche> thank you membreya, gdh, you saved me once again searching for something that's already in there...
[04:58] <membreya> a really BIG bat!
[04:58] <segfault> its an away!
[04:58] <sdogi> god dammit
[04:58] <segfault> i cant exclude channels
[04:58] <sdogi> why is ubuntu so unstable
[04:58] <sdogi>  ;(
[04:58] <membreya> smouche: my log files are 20mb for #ubuntu, 7mb for #kubuntu... I'm not even thinking of rotating them yet :P
[04:58] <smouche> logrotate is a funny sounding word, isn't it?   Move along, please.
[04:59] <KaiL> sdogi: umstable?
[04:59] <KaiL> gdh: grr
[04:59] <sdogi> gdh: why do other distros work then brainchild?
[04:59] <membreya> lol gdh :P not nice, but funny :)
[04:59] <KaiL> sdogi: what happenes?
[04:59] <membreya> sdogi: I use breezy (dev release) and it's stable as a rock :)
[04:59] <KaiL> same here
[04:59] <smouche> jesus, breezy already?
[05:00] <membreya> :D
[05:00] <KaiL> except ACPI, but that's something different
[05:00] <sdogi> well actually it is just that the current emotion thing, anyway.. kubuntus konqueror is like a thing that crashes hourly
[05:00] <sdogi> mostly when i change the directory view from icons to list mode
[05:00] <sdogi> then everything appears double and it crashes
[05:00] <segfault> membreya: can i play a song?
[05:00] <segfault> XD
[05:00] <KaiL> don't do that :p
[05:00] <membreya> sdogi: take away the left hand tree
[05:00] <segfault> membreya: how can i move to breezy?
[05:00] <sdogi> but right now audacity crashed totally
[05:00] <smouche> sdogi, konqueror having issues doesn't mean ubuntu is unstable.
[05:00] <membreya> segfault: change your repo's from hoary to breezy
[05:01] <membreya> and then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:01] <ubuntu>  how do u install an deb file?
[05:01] <membreya> bear in mind, it has SOME problems
[05:01] <membreya> ubuntu: sudo dpkg -i (deb file
[05:01] <segfault> membreya: like?
[05:01] <sdogi> smouche: it does, at least this time, because i was using kde 3.4 with slackware
[05:01] <membreya> )
[05:01] <sdogi> membreya: i'll try
[05:02] <membreya> segfault: read above...
[05:02] <membreya> oh
[05:02] <membreya> problems
[05:02] <membreya> lol
[05:02] <membreya> sorry
[05:02] <membreya> :P
[05:02] <membreya> only problem I've had is torching my reiserfs partition (90gb) but rebuilding the tree fixed it and it was my own fault
[05:02] <membreya> forcing packages that had been kept back to install
[05:03] <sdogi> anything else is fine though, i have to do lot less then i did with slackware, and that is fine with me
[05:03] <smouche> membreya, I can't complete a dist-upgrade here, and I don't know what to fix:
[05:03] <smouche> I get this--
[05:03] <smouche> Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ...
[05:03] <smouche> Replaced by files in installed package kplayer ...
[05:03] <smouche> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[05:04] <smouche> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[05:04] <gdh> what does 'apt-get -f install' suggest ?
[05:04] <smouche> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:04] <smouche>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[05:04] <smouche> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:05] <segfault> sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[05:05] <segfault> easy :D
[05:05] <smouche> sorry to flood -- can anyone help me fix that?
[05:05] <segfault> smouche:
[05:05] <segfault> sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[05:05] <membreya> damn you segfault .. i knew the problem, was just going over my logs to find it :P
[05:05] <smouche> thanks segfault
[05:05] <smouche> lol membreya
[05:06] <ManLord> is there a way to keep Kaffeine always on top?
[05:06] <smouche> you need a bot to fetch stuff from your logs...
[05:06] <ManLord> can't find it
[05:06] <membreya> smouche: that would require me to find company for my one brain cell
[05:07] <segfault> i use ext3
[05:07] <smouche> membreya, maybe you need to logrotate your brain cell.
[05:07] <smouche> it's just too big.
[05:07] <smouche> divide and multiply, I say.
[05:07] <membreya> lol, well I am 25 :P
[05:07] <smouche> ;-)
[05:07] <membreya> segfault: as I said, it was MY fault.
[05:08] <ManLord> TO ALL: Is there a way to keep Kaffeine always on top?
[05:08] <membreya> ManLord: you could always configure window behaviour to always be on top of other apps :)
[05:09] <smouche> well, segfault, that seems to have worked, thanks !
[05:09] <membreya> right click on the title bar > advanced > keep above others
[05:10] <segfault> smouche: np
[05:13] <smouche> some apps, if they use more than one window, if I set one window to stay above others,
[05:13] <smouche> the other window insists on staying above also.  Weird.
[05:13] <segfault> Des:6 http://cl.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages [494kB]
[05:13] <segfault> lallala
[05:14] <segfault> 21% [6 Packages 432435/2242kB 19%]                                11,5kB/s 2m37s
[05:14] <segfault> slow!
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> check this
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> maotx writes "Several news outlets are reporting that Microsoft will officially roll out 64-bit versions of its Windows operating systems on Monday. As compared with existing 32-bit versions: 64-bit Windows will handle 16 terabytes of virtual memory, as compared to 4 GB for 32-bit Windows. System cache size jumps from 1 GB to 1 TB, and paging-file size increases from 16 TB to 512 TB."
[05:15] <membreya> segfault: I cry if it's below 500kB/s
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> we have had 64 bit linux for how long ;)
[05:15] <darkaudit> why would firestarter insist on blocking ports I'd already opened?
[05:15] <segfault> membreya: !!
[05:15] <segfault> what link do you have?
[05:16] <membreya> segfault: i use mirrors :)
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:16] <segfault> here in chile, we call "enlace" (in english, link) to the type of connection
[05:16] <segfault> t1, t2, etc..
[05:16] <membreya> oh.... :P
[05:16] <membreya> cable
[05:16] <segfault> :D
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[05:16] <membreya> max speed I get from my mirror is about 700 - 800
[05:17] <membreya> I got annoyed the other day, took me over 10 mins to download an ISO
[05:17] <segfault> !!
[05:18] <segfault> max speed i get, is about emm 140-150
[05:18] <membreya> that's my USUAL speed from the US ubuntu servers
[05:18] <darkaudit> hmph... backports still down
[05:19] <AceMan> yes, most frustrating   :(
[05:21] <Dromedaris> My usb camera is not recognized
[05:22] <Dromedaris> Same problem as in Mandrake
[05:22] <whiteknight> membreya, hehe i get 7000 :)
[05:22] <Dromedaris> It works in Windows (sic) :-)
[05:22] <segfault> modprobe ov511
[05:22] <membreya> 7000?
[05:22] <segfault> 7000!! ???
[05:22] <whiteknight> membreya, we were talking about connection speeds
[05:22] <whiteknight> i hope
[05:23] <membreya> whiteknight: yes, as in kB/s
[05:23] <whiteknight> yup
[05:23] <whiteknight> then i get 7000kB/s
[05:23] <whiteknight> nice isn't it :)
[05:23] <membreya> what are you, on the server network ?
[05:23] <whiteknight> no but a UK uni network
[05:23] <membreya> impossible for DSL to get that speed
[05:23] <membreya> aaah uni
[05:23] <whiteknight> ain't DSL
[05:23] <membreya> phat :)
[05:24] <darkaudit> membreya: 3Mbps line...
[05:24] <membreya> ahuh :D
[05:24] <membreya> p h a t
[05:24] <membreya> perfect for l33ching
[05:24] <whiteknight> i don't know what the fastest could be
[05:24] <whiteknight> thats what i get usually when i apt-get
[05:25] <darkaudit> argh... firestarter is still blocking services I already opeden :(
[05:25] <darkaudit> s/opened/opeden
[05:31] <segfault> xD
[05:31] <segfault> lol
[05:31] <membreya> smouche: learn your lesson, ff sux
[05:32] <darkaudit> hmm... any suggestions on a replacement for firestarter? It's ignoring my settings...
[05:43] <membreya> damnit, I'm going to declare a jihad on Kaffeine
[05:44] <shogouki> how can we join ? :)
[05:44] <membreya> lol
[05:44] <membreya> apparently it's only unstable in kubuntu though :|
[05:45] <theD3viL> matej@ubuntu:~/.aMule/Incoming$ dpkg -i cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb
[05:45] <theD3viL> dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege (- what can i do ??
[05:45] <membreya> theD3viL: sudo dpkg -i cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb
[05:45] <theD3viL> aha... k i will try
[05:46] <membreya> cop that segfault ! :P
[05:46] <segfault> ah?
[05:46] <membreya> i answered b4 u
[05:46] <membreya> :D
[05:46] <theD3viL> hm
[05:46] <segfault> ahahha
[05:46] <segfault> lol
[05:46] <segfault> XD
[05:46] <membreya> %D
[05:47] <theD3viL> where cedega now is ?
[05:47] <membreya> theD3viL: whereis cedega
[05:47] <shogouki> hehe
[05:47] <theD3viL> tnx :)
[05:49] <theD3viL> root@ubuntu:/home/matej/.aMule/Incoming # cedega
[05:49] <theD3viL> Moving all local fonts to /root/.transgaming_global/Fonts and removing local Fonts directory
[05:49] <theD3viL> Warning: Language 'en_SI' was not found, retrying without country name...
[05:49] <theD3viL> For language 'en' several language ids were found:
[05:49] <theD3viL> en_US - 0409; en_GB - 0809; en_AU - 0C09; en_CA - 1009; en_NZ - 1409; en_IE - 1809; en_ZA - 1C09; en_JM - 2009; en_ - 2409; en_BZ - 2809; en_TT - 2C09;
[05:49] <theD3viL> Instead of using first in the list, suggest to define
[05:49] <theD3viL> your LANG environment variable like this: LANG=en_US
[05:49] <theD3viL> usage: cedega [-use-pthreads <yes/no>]  [[-] -winver <version>]  [[-] -debugmsg <debug>]  [[-] -version]  [[-] -use-dos-cwd <dir>]  [[-] monitor-cdrom-eject]  <application> [application parameters]
[05:49] <theD3viL> wtf ?
[05:49] <shogouki> theD3viL: use pastebin.com next time plz
[05:50] <theD3viL> :)
[05:50] <membreya> theD3viL: you're on your own now..try man cedega :P
[05:50] <theD3viL> :)
[05:50] <shogouki> it seems require an app name
[05:50] <membreya> but essentially you have to tell it what app to load
[05:50] <membreya> piss off shogouki my answer was longer :P
[05:51] <shogouki> membreya: too useless words :)
[05:51] <membreya> lol :P
[05:51] <segfault> theD3viL:
[05:51] <theD3viL> yes ?
[05:51] <segfault> why you dont use point2play?
[05:52] <theD3viL> becouse aMule dont downloading it :(
[05:52] <theD3viL> do you have it ?
[05:52] <shogouki> it is about warez ?
[05:54] <membreya> http://www.transgaming.com/download.php
[05:54] <membreya> go there theD3viL
[05:54] <membreya> oh wait
[05:54] <membreya> pay
[05:54] <membreya> :P
[05:54] <theD3viL> :(
[05:55] <membreya> theD3viL: point2play is all over amule
[05:55] <membreya> join the razorback2 server (largest)
[05:55] <membreya> non-pr0n server :P
[05:56] <theD3viL> download it and send me, becouse my amule downloading NO!
[05:56] <theD3viL> :'(
[05:56] <theD3viL> i have open ports
[05:56] <shogouki> how can an emule server be porn-free?
[05:57] <membreya> shogouki: I meant a non-pr0n based server (descriptions and server names)
[05:57] <membreya> theD3viL: getting it now, got somewhere for me to upload it ?
[05:57] <membreya> because I'm going to bed
[05:58] <theD3viL> hmm
[05:58] <theD3viL> dunno
[05:58] <theD3viL> ftp?
[05:58] <membreya> do you have an FTP ?
[05:58] <membreya> :P
[05:58] <theD3viL> no :S
[05:58] <theD3viL> you ?
[05:58] <theD3viL> send me it on gmail ;)
[05:58] <membreya> lol, technically I could establish one..but I would need to do it tomorrow nite
[05:58] <membreya> I CBF right now
[05:58] <gdh> you're discussing trading warez?
[05:59] <membreya> gdh: no, software for evaluation purposes
[05:59] <gdh> :) 'All for personal consumption, officer' :)
[05:59] <membreya> lol
[05:59] <ManLord> how to start Kate as root? i try sudo kate but it doesn't launch.. and i cant even launch it later
[05:59] <ManLord> use gedit
[05:59] <theD3viL> membreya, but can you send me it by xchat pls ?
[05:59] <membreya> theD3viL: can you accept DCC? and remember, I'm going to sleep :P
[06:00] <theD3viL> hm
[06:00] <theD3viL> in xchat im not shure but i will try in konversation, k ?
[06:00] <gdh> membreya: that'd mean it's your end that will need to accept incoming connections :)
[06:00] <membreya> gdh: I haven't even tried
[06:00] <gdh> DCC send tells the other side where to connect to to collect thefile
[06:00] <membreya> question, does linux support uPnP? :|
[06:01] <theD3viL> :)
[06:04] <gdh> membreya: it can do, but thankfully it doesn't by default =)
[06:04] <membreya> why not ? I loved uPnP in Windows
[06:05] <gdh> uPnP is an abomination - imagine this -> spyware/virus gets in your windows box, and asks for ports to be opened so some remote service can come and 0wn your box.
[06:05] <gdh> firewalls should not be able to be controlled via automated software in that way
[06:06] <membreya> theD3viL: I could always serve the files on my apache server I suppose :P
[06:06] <gdh> uPnP is a useful idea for a more modern X.10 for home automation / media centre anywhere, etc.
[06:06] <gdh> but just don't touch the firewall =)
[06:08] <theD3viL> :)
[06:08] <membreya> gdh: true, but port forwarding is a pain in the bum..having to log into the router and change everything and all
[06:09] <gdh> membreya: Yes, but you remain in control. 'Ease of use' has been responsible for many major design and security faults :)
[06:21] <mikl> how do you start Qt designer?
[06:22] <shogouki> designer
[06:24] <mikl> shogouki: oh, thank you
[06:28] <kanuha> How can I make the kmenu transparent? I made the taskbar transparent, but do not see an option for the menu. I thought I did this before but do not remember how..
[06:28] <ManLord> PROBLEM: can't get translucency to work
[06:28] <ManLord> any help?
[06:28] <ManLord> please
[06:30] <membreya> so who here has established wu-ftpd?
[06:31] <KaiL> kanuha: look&feel -> style -> effects :)
[06:34] <kanuha> Kail: thanks, where is look&feel
[06:35] <KaiL> kde controlcenter :)
[06:35] <ManLord> control panel
[06:35] <theD3viL> have anybody tried to install ut on his box ?
[06:39] <kanuha> Kail: thanks, found it under Appearance & Themes - Style
[06:39] <KaiL> ah, that's the englisch name ;)
[06:39] <kanuha> Thanks
[07:00] <darkaudit> theD3viL-: ut as in ut2004?
[07:03] <rejser> anyone that knows if the kdelibs available now is ok?
[07:05] <KaiL> what means "ok" for you?
[07:06] <rejser> it was quite unstable a couple of days ago and many had trouble with crashing kde after they installed it
[07:06] <rejser> me among them
[07:08] <KaiL> there's an update in hoary-security, maybe that helps..
[07:08] <rejser> oh, missed that
[07:08] <rejser> :)
[07:08] <spiral> are there already testing cds for kubuntu breezy ?
[07:09] <whiskers> rejser, they seem to be working here
[07:09] <whiskers> rejser, it is the more fundamental stuff like libc6 and glib that is broken
[07:09] <whiskers> rejser, something about missing DSO system stuff
[07:10] <whiskers> man where do those MS people come up with these prices that Access should be worth $200 instead of $100
[07:10] <rejser> whiskers: ok
[07:11] <whiskers> fuck them....i am just going to keep on working to try to get the database stuff for free someday
[07:12] <whiskers> we already have a kernel...and some gui widgets...and some designer tools...so the database stuff should be possible in the future
[07:13] <buz> i'd stay away from breezy
[07:13] <whiskers> buz, what can breezy do?
[07:13] <KaiL> for now only small updates
[07:14] <whiskers> but the real problem is that MS says they are going to use CSS KUNGFU to take over the internet
[07:15] <whiskers> they don't like all those people using firefox
[07:18] <KaiL> anybody here, who has already tried kubuntu on an i915 laptop?
[07:21] <spiral> KaiL: kind of...
[07:21] <spiral> K
[07:22] <spiral> KaiL: sonoma
[07:22] <spiral> KaiL: is it the same kind of laptop for you ?
[07:22] <xxenon> is it a known bug when you can't switch to administrator mode in kcontrol ?
[07:23] <KaiL> I "only" try to verify some rather bad made article in german c't magazine
[07:23] <spiral> xxenon: are you sudoer when you do so ?
[07:23] <spiral> KaiL: about what ?
[07:23] <KaiL> xxenon: the password it asks for, is your user pw
[07:23] <membreya> so NOONE here has setup wu-ftpd?
[07:23] <membreya> :|
[07:24] <KaiL> spiral: Linux (they tested SuSE 9.2 and 9.3 and Fredora 3) on i915-based Laptops
[07:25] <membreya> I believe I'm having problems in chrooting ls
[07:25] <spiral> KaiL: and they had some problems ?
[07:25] <KaiL> yes
[07:25] <KaiL> that article has a very very bad fazit
[07:26] <spiral> KaiL: what kind of problems ? because I've got a lot of problems indeed...
[07:27] <KaiL> ACPI S3, cardreader, PC-card, 56k-modem, TV-out, dualscreen...
[07:27] <KaiL> which one do you have?
[07:29] <xxenon> spiral - running kcontrol as a user
[07:29] <xxenon> KaiL - yes I know, but after entering the password, it goes back to the kcontrol welcome screen
[07:29] <spiral> xxenon: yes, but a normal user or a sudoer user ?
[07:30] <xxenon> spiral - sudoer (the main user)
[07:31] <spiral> xxenon: so it is quite strange... because it has been patched to use sudo instead of su
[07:31] <KaiL> spiral: which one do you have?
[07:31] <xxenon> spiral - now the behaviour changed, it's just displaying "Loading..." , it hangs there
[07:31] <spiral> KaiL: problems ? ACPI S3, PC card
[07:32] <KaiL> which laptop
[07:32] <spiral> KaiL: didn't check the card reader neither the 56k nor the tv-out
[07:32] <spiral> KaiL: medion md 95257 I think
[07:33] <spiral> xxenon: quite strange... you still can use "sudo kcontrol", but that's strange
[07:38] <whiskers> buz, what are the plans for breezy...is ubuntu going to fix this DSO problem
[07:39] <whiskers> buz, and the PHP problem
[07:40] <whiskers> buz, and the glom problem
[07:41] <whiskers> buz, hmmm.....they will have their hands full
[07:43] <KaiL> spiral: it doesn't come back from S3?
[07:43] <spiral> KaiL: no :-///
[07:44] <KaiL> do you have some LAN?
[07:44] <KaiL> to find out, if anything gets back
[07:44] <spiral> KaiL: sk98lin broken... I need to install a driver...
[07:45] <spiral> never tried to ping when S3 blocked
[07:45] <spiral> I could check
[07:45] <KaiL> maybe only the vga doesn't get back
[07:45] <KaiL> quite common
[07:45] <spiral> KaiL: maybe... I'll check
[07:45] <KaiL> oh, and disable any 3d accelerated vga driver!
[07:46] <KaiL> all I tried don't get back
[07:48] <spiral> KaiL: I need nvidia driver more than S3 in fact
[07:48] <KaiL> nvidia one broke that on a Socket A desktop system I had here 3 days ago...
[07:49] <spiral> :-/
[07:50] <spiral> KaiL: without nvidia's driver, I can't use blender
[07:50] <KaiL> idea: try to disable the driver to find out, if it is "the evil one" :)
[07:52] <theD3viL-> who knows what is wrong:  Couldn't run Unreal Tournament (ut-bin). Is UT_DATA_PATH set?
[07:53] <spiral> KaiL: I'll try
[07:53] <KaiL> and I'll try S4 here :)
[07:56] <snyff> hello
[07:59] <pvh> I'm trying to build a RivaTV driver for my videocard, but the ./configure script doesn't recognize that I have the kernel headers installed. Has anyone else done this before?
[08:05] <whiskers> how come kde has the new usb-mount code and gnome doesn't have something similar
[08:09] <whiskers> wow...today Apple says MS is stealing their ideas.....both those people are something else
[08:10] <theD3viL-> who knows what is wrong:  Couldn't run Unreal Tournament (ut-bin). Is UT_DATA_PATH set?
[08:13] <PenguinBoy> Afternoon guys!
[08:13] <PenguinBoy> can I get soe help with GRUB?
[08:14] <bleertep> |afk
[08:15] <prototyp> evening
[08:15] <PenguinBoy> hey
[08:16] <PenguinBoy> how are you
[08:16] <prototyp> fine, you?
[08:16] <PenguinBoy> great
[08:16] <PenguinBoy> can you give a newb some help with GRUB?
[08:16] <prototyp> I'm having some kind of dependency problem when trying to install kdelibs-data
[08:16] <prototyp> gheh :)
[08:16] <gsuveg> re
[08:17] <prototyp> guess I'm a newbie as well ;)
[08:17] <prototyp> ola
[08:17] <prototyp> but ohwell... we can try
[08:17] <prototyp> what's your problem with grub?
[08:17] <KaiL> prototyp: the overwrite-error?
[08:18] <prototyp> KaiL: it refuses to overwrite some cliparts... hang on, I'll fetch the exact error
[08:18] <prototyp> it's dutch though...
[08:18] <prototyp> dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van /cdrom//pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3_all.deb (--unpack):
[08:18] <prototyp>  poging tot overschrijven van `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', wat ook in pakket knetworkconf zit
[08:18] <PenguinBoy> I installed Kubuntu on an XP partitioned drive earlier and when it installed the grub loaded I could not boot into anything.....I have reformatted my HDD and reinstalled Xp and now am reinstalling Kubuntu.....I am at the Install the GRUB Boot Loader on Hard Disk portion of the install and am a little frightened....I do not want to make any mistakes on it this time
[08:18] <KaiL> cliparts? that's a folder ;)
[08:19] <prototyp> that's right
[08:19] <KaiL> oh, a little bit different this time..
[08:19] <prototyp> it can't seem to update /usr/share/icons/default.kde
[08:19] <prototyp> which is a symlink
[08:19] <prototyp> weird part is
[08:19] <KaiL> but the fix is the same: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /cdrom/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[08:19] <prototyp> when I rename the symlink
[08:19] <prototyp> it gives the same error
[08:20] <prototyp> KaiL: ok I'll try that
[08:20] <PenguinBoy> It ssys that the following other operating systems have been detected ib this computer:  Nicrosoft Windows XP Professional.......My only option is YES or NO so I am going to press Yes
[08:20] <KaiL> because dpkg doesn't look, it the file is there, it only knows drom it's database, it SHOULD be there
[08:20] <prototyp> KaiL: unable to find file
[08:21] <KaiL> mount /cdrom
[08:21] <KaiL> then it can find the file again
[08:21] <PenguinBoy> YEAH...it worked this time....SCHWEET!
[08:21] <whiskers> PenguinBoy, you mean you paid for that expensive kernel in XP Pro
[08:22] <whiskers> PenguinBoy, I way MS can keep it
[08:22] <PenguinBoy> come with the laptop
[08:22] <KaiL> PenguinBoy: and you did the same things as first time?
[08:22] <PenguinBoy> yes...odd isn;t it
[08:22] <KaiL> indeed
[08:23] <prototyp> KaiL: okay that worked :)
[08:23] <PenguinBoy> here is the only difference........the first time I installed Kubuntu onto a 15 GB partition...this time I only installed it onto a 7 GB partition
[08:23] <prototyp> KaiL: but when I do apt-get upgrade now, it tries to install kdelibs-data again... will that cause harm? :)
[08:23] <whiskers> PenguinBoy, that is a mistake
[08:23] <PenguinBoy> what
[08:23] <KaiL> prototyp: duno, I *hope* not...:)
[08:23] <whiskers> PenguinBoy, i would not waste any more time on that partition setup
[08:24] <PenguinBoy> why
[08:24] <prototyp> KaiL: well... only one way to find out :)
[08:24] <KaiL> I wonder, why you get it that early
[08:24] <whiskers> PenguinBoy, kubuntu is sitting at 13 gigs....and still there is a little more work to do
[08:24] <KaiL> normally the error only comes with the update.....
[08:24] <PenguinBoy> shoot
[08:24] <PenguinBoy> i am gonna pull my hair out
[08:25] <whiskers> PenguinBoy, you need to allocate about 20 i would say if you don't want any games or videos
[08:25] <whiskers> PenguinBoy, go back and refdisk...before you waste any more time
[08:25] <prototyp> KaiL: maybe because I added the extra repositories which are mentioned on ubuntuguide.org ?
[08:25] <PenguinBoy> I would do a full isstall of Kubunti and forget Win XP....but I cannot get my wireless connection to work in Kubuntu
[08:25] <prototyp> now I have kde 3.4
[08:26] <KaiL> prototyp: afaik it's not possible to install knetworkconf before kdelibs-data...
[08:26] <whiskers> PenguinBoy, well i saw some wifi stuff in kde...but i don't have the hardware to test it
[08:26] <KaiL> whiskers: 20GB???
[08:26] <whiskers> KaiL, well the absolute minimum here is 13 gigs and there is still some work to do
[08:26] <prototyp> (b'sides do you guys also have the problem that the backports don't work?)
[08:26] <KaiL> until 4 days ago I used a 15GB disk for my system AND my work AND my MP3s....
[08:26] <KaiL> including eclipse
[08:27] <prototyp> whiskers: that's bull
[08:27] <prototyp> with all due respect :)
[08:27] <KaiL> did you find an "install everything"-button in kubuntu, I missed?
[08:27] <whiskers> KaiL, i am sitting at 13gigs for kubuntu and that is without any games or videos or anything
[08:27] <PenguinBoy> i am booting into Linux and it has paused on Starting hotplug subsystem...any ideas anout what to do?
[08:27] <prototyp> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[08:27] <prototyp> /dev/hda2              5534448   3291960   1961352  63% /
[08:27] <KaiL> whiskers: how that?!?
[08:27] <whiskers> KaiL, and i don't have that large a /usr/src directory i don't think
[08:28] <whiskers> KaiL, how could i find out how much build space i have used
[08:28] <KaiL> 21GB here, including 14GB MP3...
[08:28] <KaiL> +1 GB Eclipse
[08:28] <whiskers> here i will give you the printout of df
[08:28] <prototyp> -grin-
[08:28] <whiskers> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[08:28] <whiskers> /dev/hda1             37729628  13572388  22240688  38% /