[22:55] <Dicey> I know, but the comp it' s hooked up to doesn't have the internet
[22:56] <pedervl> Are the new ATI drivers about equal to those of nvidia? Are there any distros that include those drivers by default, so I can install linux on my laptop?=
[22:56] <Dicey> I tried compiling but I got a make error
[22:56] <FakeSteveJObs> Dicey: what version of ubuntu do you have
[22:56] <FakeSteveJObs> pedervl: no they arent equal to those of nvidia
[22:56] <leo_rockw> FakeSteveJObs: i'm here every once in a while. i'm always in #ubuntu-ar, tho
[22:56] <Pici> Dicey: Ah.  Well, Fat32 can be read and written to by linux, but doesnt support permissions.
[22:56] <Dicey> Feisty Fawn on that one, gutsy on the one I am on now
[22:56] <FakeSteveJObs> leo_rockw: great, but i don't understand argentinians, accept the womans that is
[22:57] <Dicey> so, should I format?
[22:57] <FakeSteveJObs> Dicey: i thought that Ubuntu should be able to write to NTFS out of the box, it did with mine
[22:57] <Pici> Dicey: Its up to you.  If its only being accessed by linux computers, then why not use ext3?
[22:57] <leo_rockw> FakeSteveJObs: yeah, i'd rather keep our women and not have an ipod ;-)
[22:57] <Dicey> okay, thanks
[22:58] <Dicey> I plan on installing os x on it anyway :)
[22:58] <john__> I have a newbie question....... I just installed 7.04 on a laptop and I'm trying to get it to access my windows shares but it keeps returning an error.......
[22:58] <john__> any ideas
[22:58] <john__> ?
[22:58] <leo_rockw> john__: what's the error?
[22:58] <FakeSteveJObs> leo_rockw: im'a gimp myself a nice donate me a good arg-woman button
[22:58] <wweasel> Is there anyone here who could help me run X applications from within a chroot environment?
[22:58] <john__> hold on and I'll duplicate....
[22:58] <pkh> it's a bit offtopic but I'm looking for a recommendation for a good adsl2+ router (the last one we bought would fall over randomly and caused all kinds of problems)
[22:58] <leo_rockw> john__: if it is long use a pastebin
[22:59] <AngryElf> it appears as if building my md RAID6 array is correupting the ext3 filesystem on it, i'm trying again for the second time, but has anyone heard of this before?
[22:59] <Pici> pkh: try in #ubuntu-offtopic then
[22:59] <leo_rockw> FakeSteveJObs: if you're amerikan you can get one for a green card, haha
[22:59] <FakeSteveJObs> leo_rockw: im from Holland ;)
[22:59] <FakeSteveJObs> leo_rockw: check PM
[22:59] <leo_rockw> FakeSteveJObs: didn't get any...
[23:00] <john__> "The folder contents could not be displayed" - Sorry: Couldn't display all the contents of "windows network: workgroup"
[23:00] <sipher> I guess I'll post to the forums/mailing list. Channels this big are pretty much useless
[23:00] <leo_rockw> FakeSteveJObs: you could do like william and maxima...
[23:00] <john__> the above is the error it spits out
[23:00] <leo_rockw> john__: is your workgroup named workgroup?
[23:00] <john__> I can ping my machines, terminal service in, I haven't tried FTP yet....
[23:00] <Chamunks> does ubuntu gutsy have webcam support?
[23:00] <pppoe_dude> anyone know why evolution isnt saving sent messages?
[23:01] <leo_rockw> Chamunks: depends on the webcam
[23:01] <john__> yes my workgroup is named workgroup
[23:01] <wweasel> Is there anyone here who could help me run X applications from within a chroot environment?
[23:01] <Chamunks> generic 10$ labtec
[23:01] <Chamunks> leo_rockw,  generic 10$ labtec
[23:01] <john__> thanks for the help btw
[23:01] <sipher> a $10 webcam?
[23:02] <leo_rockw> Chamunks: i guess the best way to know if it works is to try it out...
[23:02] <Chamunks> sipher, yep :)
[23:02] <Chamunks> leo_rockw, i dont even know whats supposed to happen when i plug it in to even start lol
[23:02] <leo_rockw> Chamunks: i don't even have a webcam
[23:02] <FakeSteveJObs> **** that ATI driver sucks big time, keeps banging me back to the safe mode
[23:03] <FakeSteveJObs> leo_rockw, i pm'ed you :)
[23:03] <leo_rockw> FakeSteveJObs: i didn't get any PM
[23:03] <ToddEDM> hey guys, could someone help me to get the game TrueCombat: Elite installed?
[23:03] <Markov__> how do applications get added to the ubuntu repositories? is there a way that i can check on the status of a certain application as to when it might be added?
[23:03] <Chamunks> leo_rockw, lol i just randomly got it from some family member at some point ago and i figured id give it a try... tho i do know it works in winedoze
[23:03] <john__> leo_rockw: on a fresh install, do I need to install something else in order to enable windows networking support?
[23:03] <dorian__> under 7.10, having trouble compiling a package, getting errors about missing header files (like /usr/include/bits/local_lim.h:36:26: error: linux/limits.h: No such file or directory, which can be found under /usr/include/limits.h or /usr/src/linux/include/linux/limits.h). I think I have all the dev packages installed but maybe I am missing something. Can anyone help?
[23:03] <bipolar> Is anyone in here proficient with udev?
[23:04] <DeathStar> i created a share on an ubuntu machine and i can browse and download from the share on my laptop but it wont let me copy things to the share, does anyone know how i fix that
[23:04] <leo_rockw> FakeSteveJObs: do you have a registered user? if not your pms won't reach me
[23:04] <leo_rockw> john__: samba, if you don't have it yet
[23:04] <wraz79> i upgraded to ubuntu 7.10 and i have no internet still any ideas?
[23:04] <john__> by the way the windows shares are all XP
[23:04] <Chamunks> for anyone interested i found a great thread for webcams https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
[23:04] <bipolar> I'm trying to get udev to create a symlink to a specific endpoint but can't find enough data to do it.
[23:04] <Chamunks> lol :P
[23:05] <John_R> deathstar: go into the network settings and click the share, then properties or edit
[23:05] <FakeSteveJObs> leo_rockw: PM'ed you again, did you receive something?
[23:05] <John_R> and check the box about allowing other users to change files
[23:05] <nonewmsgs> wraz wired/wireless and upgrade/clean install
[23:06] <alaxK> Can someone help me with mod_auth_mysql on apache 2.2 ? Yes i know they don't work with eachother, but i got precompiled one which is patched to work ...?
[23:06] <wraz79> wired and a clean install
[23:06] <bipolar> I have a Usb EVDO card. Pluging it in creates to usb serial ports, ttyUSB[0,1]. I want to symlink 0 to /dev/evdo. I am able to do this, but the script fails if I have any other usb serial device plugged in first, since that will be ttyUSB0, and my two ports then become ttyUSB[1,2].
[23:06] <Pici> !register | FakeSteveJObs
[23:06] <nonewmsgs> wraz that's really weird.  does it work with the livecd at all?
[23:06] <ubotu> FakeSteveJObs: By default, only registered users can send private messages | Information about registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[23:06] <wraz79> no just in windows
[23:07] <wraz79> it sees the card though
[23:07] <john__> leo_rockw: I will check but I think I have this.....
[23:07] <nonewmsgs> wraz does it see it in the networking window at the top of the screen or just in lspci
[23:07] <Seivan|> anyone here running ubuntu server?
[23:08] <wraz79> its up in the top window
[23:08] <moosehead> need help to config sound on Dell inspiron 1720.. plzzz
[23:08] <wraz79> the two monitors?
[23:08] <nonewmsgs> and you left click it and select wired and nothing?
[23:08] <nonewmsgs> could it be a dhcp issue?
[23:08] <Rich4> How do I get rid of the music player continually recurring on my screen?
[23:08] <ToddEDM> anyone here play TrueCombat: Elite??
[23:08] <rick_2047> moosehead: whats the probe
[23:09] <]Spectre[> Hi to all.Is there a program like cpuid to check what kind of cpu model I have ? thanks to all
[23:09] <fyrestrtr> ]Spectre[: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[23:09] <]Spectre[> thanks
[23:09] <nonewmsgs> wraz in communication at the top of the screen left click select manual and check wired conectio and click properties
[23:09] <mrga_cro> hello
[23:10] <mrga_cro> how to remove google earth on linux
[23:10] <rick_2047> which distro
[23:10] <wraz79> i dont have communication
[23:10] <nonewmsgs> it's the network icon
[23:10] <mrga_cro> gutsy
[23:10] <nonewmsgs> it looks like a moniter
[23:10] <mgk> hello, how can i restart my NFS service ? please :)
[23:10] <Seivan|> anyone here running ubuntu server?
[23:10] <ToddEDM> Seivan|: not me
[23:10] <wraz79> ok got that
[23:10] <Pici> Seivan|: I have.
[23:11] <Vsop_vsop_vsop_v> good afternoon
[23:11] <john__> leo_rockw: I have samba installed and tried it with same error
[23:11] <nonewmsgs> now select manual and click wired conectio and properties
[23:11] <Seivan|> Pici Excuse me, if I want to run a firewall, router, webserver with a mail server, what linux dist should I be using, I am most familiar with ubuntu/debian :)
[23:11] <wraz79> ok
[23:11] <P_Kable> does somebody know how I can disable the display of network mounted volumes on the desktop without disabling the other regular volumes such as dvdrom, local drives and so ? please
[23:11] <mrga_cro> sudo apt-get remove googleearth is not working
[23:11] <Pici> mgk: sudo invoke-rc.d nfs<tab> restart (I'm not sure of the exact daemon name)
[23:11] <CanadianMan> just upgraded to gutsy from fiesty and i have no sound
[23:11] <[chr0n0s]> mgk, try sudo /etc/init.d/nfs restart (not sure if this works)
[23:11] <ConstyXIV> what port does the default bittorrent use?
[23:11] <mgk> thanks Pici, it's nfs_network_server or anything like it
[23:12] <Pici> Seivan|: Well, you're asking in an Ubuntu channel, and I'm somewhat biased, but Ubuntu server is quite capable.
[23:12] <magicrobotmonkey> so i tried to compile the latest alsa and its not working for me, anyone know how to revert?
[23:12] <Vsop_vsop_vsop_v> i am trying to find a ( deskTop ) recording tool for 6.10 edgy, .. anyone have thoughts?
[23:12] <ale1987> olá canadian este ubuntu gutsy is very bad
[23:12] <rick_2047> istanbul
[23:12] <Pici> !screecast | Vsop_vsop_vsop_v try these, dont know if they're in edgy's repos though
[23:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screecast - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:12] <leo_rockw> john__: how are you trying to access your other comp? nautilus?
[23:12] <Pici> !screencast | Vsop_vsop_vsop_v
[23:12] <ubotu> Vsop_vsop_vsop_v: Some programs to capture your screen are Istanbul, Wink, Gvidcap, Xvidcap, vnc2swf, demorecorder.  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts.
[23:12] <hou5ton> Just checking in on the latest Ubuntu release .... how is that whole Write to NTFS thing working?
[23:13] <wraz79> ok im in the settings now
[23:13] <wraz79> modprobe
[23:13] <john__> yes in nautilus.  that is the GUI correct?
[23:13] <john__> yes in nautilus
[23:14] <nonewmsgs> i:
[23:14] <proprietarysucks> I noticed the refresh rate on my display lowered dramatically after upgrading to 710. When I try to change the refresh, and press ok, just nothing happens
[23:14] <Vsop_vsop_vsop_v> Who knows the Best progy for desktop capturing tools?...
[23:14] <Pici> !best | Vsop_vsop_vsop_v
[23:14] <ubotu> Vsop_vsop_vsop_v: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[23:15] <pwnt-> any VLC expert here? I need help transcode some streaming online video.
[23:15] <mrga_cro> sudo apt-get remove googleearth is not working
[23:15] <hipitihop> Vsop_vsop_vsop_v, I thought gutsy has screen capture built in
[23:15] <mrga_cro> sudo apt-get remove googleearth is not working
[23:15] <Vsop_vsop_vsop_v> gusty?
[23:15] <Pici> mrga_cro: How did you install googleearth?
[23:15] <mrga_cro> sh googleearthlinux.bon
[23:15] <mrga_cro> bin
[23:15] <mrga_cro> something like that
[23:15] <hipitihop> pwnt-, I'm hardly an expert but have fiddled with transcoding a number of things ... I assume you have gone through the transcoding docs ?
[23:15] <wraz79> ive tried putting it to auto no connection and ive tried putting the info from ipconfig from my other winxp computer
[23:16] <nonewmsgs> wraz make sure wired is checked and click properties disable roaming moad and select DHCP in the next box that has the choice
[23:16] <proprietarysucks> how can I change my screen settings manually? since the gui version doesn't do anything
[23:16] <hipitihop> pwnt-, although I'm ashamed to say the only transcoding I have done is on Windoze
[23:16] <Vsop_vsop_vsop_v> running 6.10 egdy ,, and record my desktop dont work
[23:16] <wraz79> ok i did that
[23:16] <racarter> how do i find out what known issues exist for my linux kernel on my system
[23:16] <CanadianMan> just upgraded to gutsy from fiesty and i have no sound
[23:16] <ToddEDM> is there any tutorials (videos) to learn Terminal commands?
[23:16] <racarter> yeah i have no sound either
[23:17] <racarter> i have not had sound for a few weeks now
[23:17] <nonewmsgs> wraz and now close those windows and see if it fixed anything
[23:17] <pwnt-> hipitihop: No i'm trying to transcode a video, connecting to my http://localhost:port - and then trying to record that streaming live video okay. when I click transcode and choosed mpeg2. and then raw. I click filename then finish, it starts recording but here it doesn't preview the picture, so I can't WATCH while recording, thats one issue, and #2 issue is that the record doesn't have sound.
[23:17] <wraz79> nope still no internet
[23:18] <hipitihop> ToddEDM, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandlineHowTo
[23:18] <bluekb> I am trying to set up xdmcp on my ubuntu box.  I used gdmsetup to enable remote x sessions.  But from the other computer, doing "x -query ubuntumachine :1.0" doesn't work.
[23:18] <bluekb> Or rather, it gives an X display but no login screen
[23:18] <pagathu> hello
[23:18] <P_Kable> does somebody know how I can disable the display of network mounted volumes on the desktop without disabling the other regular volumes such as dvdrom, local drives and so ? please
[23:18] <pagathu> does someone know how i can disable NCQ native comand quieing for hadrrives
[23:18] <pagathu> hard
[23:18] <bluekb> Does anyone know of a good tutorial, or an answer about why I might not be getting a login screen?
[23:20] <hipitihop> pwnt-, I have found similar issues when transcoding, particularlywhen dealing with basic mpeg2...I found I had to try various audio transcodings as sometime video would be fine but no sound, or certain combinations then could not be played by other devices
[23:20] <Pogonip> How can I get the Qt Libraries?
[23:20] <pwnt-> hipitihop: what do I do then..
[23:21] <kakoonia> someone here got the kiba-dock
[23:21] <kakoonia> ?
[23:21] <nonewmsgs> wraz this sounds like it should be an easy problem but im stuck at the moment.  i would try the forums and you shuold get an answer in no time
[23:21] <pwnt-> is it possible to record via Mplayer? or anything else, cause VLC is not doing a great job
[23:21] <orionr> I have a quick quest
[23:21] <orionr> ion
[23:21] <wraz79> could it be something with my router?
[23:21] <wraz79> i had ubuntu running before
[23:21] <leo_rockw> kakoonia: i had it, what about it?
[23:21] <kakoonia> how do i install it?
[23:22] <leo_rockw> kakoonia: when i installed it i had to compile it
[23:22] <Pici> !ask | orionr
[23:22] <ubotu> orionr: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[23:22] <hipitihop> pwnt-, are you using the GUI or the command line ?
[23:22] <orionr> i ran out of space on my '/' mount point because im hosting some files in var. I have a 400 gb hard drive that mounts my /home is there anyway host stuff that i have on my /home hard drive?
[23:22] <nonewmsgs> wraz maybe reboot?  that might work some magic,
[23:22] <DWonderly> Have a question about compiz. Every time I install compiz running on the Xserver I my video card reverts to Mesa3D but, when I uninstall it it goes back to ATI... How do I fix this?
[23:22] <wraz79> yeah im trying that now
[23:22] <pwnt-> hipitihop: i'm in X. i just opened VLC. then trying to transcode by going to file > wizard, so yeah its a gui
[23:22] <kakoonia> you know where can i get the script file?
[23:22] <racarter> should i install a package called 'module-assistant'?
[23:22] <racarter> can it help me with my sound problems?
[23:23] <orionr> anyone know?
[23:23] <fyrestrtr> .exit
[23:23] <GTO-Linux> ?
[23:23] <leo_rockw> kakoonia: their official page?
[23:23] <kakoonia> huh
[23:23] <kakoonia> i didnt find it
[23:23] <kakoonia> ill look again
[23:24] <adamonline45> Hello, I've got two symlinks in a folder that's shared using NFS.  I can see the symlinks from my webserver, where I mounted the NFS share, but I can't see them from my windows box, nor will they open using PHP.  Does anyone know if there are issues with symllinks being NSF'd?
[23:24] <john__> Will I need to mount the share as a drive in in order to see it and use it?
[23:24] <Pogonip> Why don't the Qt Libraries get downloaded on Ubuntu
[23:24] <Pici> orionr: Unless you were to setup a raid, I dont really know any way of seemlessly bridging the two harddrives.  You could decrease your home parititon's size and then mount some of that new space for your hosting, but it wouldnt be seemless.
[23:24] <wraz79> rebooted and still no connection.
[23:24] <hipitihop> pwnt-, I can show you some of the full transcode commands I use if that helps
[23:24] <john__> meaning from the command line?
[23:24] <wraz79> its a realteck adapter and a dlink router
[23:24] <wraz79> there anything i can run in the terminal to check?
[23:24]  * Pelo waves hello to the channel
[23:24] <pwnt-> hipitihop: I'd like to transcode the live stream + watching it in the same time, does your command do that?
[23:25] <orionr> Pici: does it seem like i could like the files some how with like a short cut or smoething?
[23:25] <Pelo> orionr,  you mean link the file with a short cut ?
[23:25] <orionr> pelo yes
[23:25] <Pici> orionr: you could symlink a folder or the files directly into your share directories.
[23:26] <orionr> Pici: wouldnt that fix the problem?
[23:26] <Pelo> orionr, ln -s /path/to/file/file /path/to/shortcut/shortcut
[23:26] <Pici> orionr: To some extent, yes.
[23:26] <hipitihop> pwnt-, no but since you are getting some joy i.e. video but no sound then it may give you some ideas
[23:26] <Hellbreaker> What do i do if ubuntu isnt compatable with my wireless card?
[23:26] <Pici> orionr: But its a manual process, of course.
[23:26] <pwnt-> hipitihop: okay
[23:26] <zepp_> pff that nvidia-bug is annoying!
[23:26] <rockets> !ndiswrapper | hellbreaker
[23:26] <ubotu> hellbreaker: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[23:26] <orionr> yea i understand thanks guys
[23:26] <Hellbreaker> ty comrade
[23:27] <Pelo> Hellbreaker,  you use ndiswrapper to let ubuntu use the windows driver for you card , it's all in the link
[23:27] <Kalumba> I have an odd problem: My ALC883 soundcard does not give me any sound to my laptop speakers, but is happy to give me audio when I plug in my headset. Is this a software problem or a hardware problem?
[23:27] <hipitihop> pwnt-, alternatively, what is your setting for the acodec=
[23:27] <underwatercow> Can someone help me? gparted seems to have messed up something in my partitions...
[23:27] <kd7swh> can I manually assign a pid # to a screen session?
[23:27] <zepp_> X keeps cashing on gutsy, others here are affected too?
[23:27] <Pelo> Kalumba,  try disabling jacksense
[23:28] <Pelo> !sound > Kalumba  check for a private message windows with instructions from ubotu
[23:28] <Kalumba> Pelo, roger that
[23:28] <underwatercow> How do you find out a devices UUID?
[23:28] <pwnt-> hipitihop: anything good, I'm not sure. pretty new with that, but i'd like to see good quality picture later on. and i'd love to put that match/video into a dvd. just like those dvd movies.
[23:28] <Pelo> underwatercow,   blkid
[23:28] <fiXXXerMet> If I plug a sata drive into my system after it's booted, how can I detect it?  with modprobe?
[23:28] <underwatercow> Pelo: thanks...
[23:28] <Pelo> fiXXXerMet,  doesn' it get detected automaticaly ?
[23:29] <fiXXXerMet> Pelo: nope.  This is a ubuntu server install, if that matters.
[23:29] <Pelo> fiXXXerMet, no idea then , try looking in the forum for sata hotplug
[23:29] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[23:29] <Pelo> maybe
[23:29] <underwatercow> is this a problem? "Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-keith" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[23:30] <Pelo> underwatercow, what are you tring to do when this happens ?
[23:30] <orionr> Is anyone here running dual monitors?
[23:30] <Pelo> !dualhead | orionr
[23:30] <ubotu> orionr: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[23:30] <kd7swh> can I manually assign a pid # to a screen session?
[23:31] <Pelo> kd7swh, don'T think so
[23:31] <underwatercow> Pelo: Well, at the moment, running Kate to view fstab. But trying to figure out why it crashes and burns when trying to boot my second drive... would having an incorrect UUID cause that to happen?
[23:31] <kd7swh> ok then
[23:31] <pwnt-> when I do sudo apt-get update. I get those in the last three lines. http://pastebin.com/m717653a0
[23:31] <Pelo> underwatercow, what is on your second hdd and how are you selecting to boot from it ?
[23:32] <KrisWood> Hi everyone :)
[23:32] <HighMage> Hello :), I currently have no sound in Ubuntu 7.10 64 bits, i heard that the problem im haveing is a known bug, so i guess its impossible to fix?
[23:32] <orionr> I am running dual monitors and when ever i try to play a video my screens start glitching out and flashing black and back to the desktop and i then have to restart X. Does anyone know how to fix is problem?
[23:32] <Pelo> pwnt-,  open   menu > sytem > admin > software sources , check the  third party repos tab and remove the duplicate wine repo
[23:32] <underwatercow> Pelo: I have two OS's and a data partition. I tried deleting and resizing, and then when I rebooted, fsck returned an 8, and gave me a root prompt
[23:33] <larson9999> best buy had 500gb external hd's last week.  are they really that cheap?
[23:33] <Pelo> !sound | HighMage
[23:33] <ubotu> HighMage: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[23:33] <hipitihop> pwnt-, standby preparing pastebin of samples
[23:33] <Pelo> orionr,  try researching it in the forum  www.ubuntuforums.org
[23:34] <underwatercow> Pelo: The UUID of the third partition was incorrect... think that should fix the problem? ;-D
[23:34] <Pelo> underwatercow, how do you select to boot from that hdd ? grub ?
[23:34] <ikon> hey guys, how can i verify a ISO with MD5 on ubuntu ?
[23:34] <underwatercow> Pelo: yes
[23:34] <Pelo> underwatercow,  possibly but not necessaraly
[23:34] <Pelo> might be more of a grub issue
[23:34] <underwatercow> Pelo: I wasn't trying to boot from that drive when the problem happened though
[23:34] <underwatercow> Pelo: I was trying to just get into Ubuntu
[23:34] <orionr> Anyone have that problem?
[23:35] <ZaphodBeeblebrox> Greetings. Pretty basic question here: How do I add programs to Ubuntu startup? (Gutsy here)
[23:35] <underwatercow> Pelo: which I can now do since I commented out sdb
[23:35] <jrib> !startup > ZaphodBeeblebrox (read the private message from ubotu)
[23:35] <Pelo> underwatercow,  make sure the entries in grub match the partitions ,  grub partitions listing are (hdA,B) where A is the hdd and B is the partiton, numbering starts with 0
[23:35] <ikon> how can i use MD5 on ubuntu to verify an ISO ?
[23:35] <ZaphodBeeblebrox> Thanks, jrib
[23:35] <Pelo> !md5 > ikon check for a private message windows with instructions from ubotu
[23:35] <underwatercow> Pelo: it boots the partition correctly, the problem happened when loading Ubuntu and running the initial fsck... it said the device could not be found
[23:36]  * Pelo is glad jrib  is here to help
[23:36] <lolie> how configure my rt2570 wireless usb card ? i've gutsy gibon, it's detected but not connect to internet or my lan
[23:36] <underwatercow> Pelo: when removing sdb, it booted fine
[23:36] <john__> so how can I access shares from an XP box, from 7.04 through nautilus?  I have Samba installed
[23:36] <Pelo> underwatercow, well it was trying to find the sdb? partition and was not finding it ,  uuid may be wrong or the /devtree
[23:36] <john__> ?
[23:36] <jrib> lolie: checked the wifi docs at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs ?
[23:37] <bluefox83> !dvd
[23:37] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[23:37] <underwatercow> Pelo: is gparted supposed to update the UUID? what would be wrong with the devtree?
[23:37] <john__> keeps giving error  "The folder contents could not be displayed" - Sorry: Couldn't display all the contents of "windows network: workgroup"
[23:37] <Pelo> underwatercow,  gparted does not update uuid
[23:38] <pwnt-> i've tried alot of ways, still no sound.
[23:38] <Pelo> underwatercow,  let me rephrase that , gparted will assign a uuid ,  but it doesn not updage uuid being used anywhere else to reflect the change
[23:38] <hipitihop> pwnt-, ok here are some that I use. Maybe you can glean something from them otherwise sorry I can't help. As I said mainly trial and error got me what I wanted... I assure you VLC is capable of what you want so don't give up. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m647d984d
[23:38] <underwatercow> Pelo: So the problem happened when I deleted and recreated the partition? it assigned a new UUID?
[23:38] <Rich4> How do I get rid of the music player continually recurring on my screen?
[23:39] <jrib> Rich4: what do you mean?  Does it just pop up randomly?
[23:39] <ZaphodBeeblebrox> Does anyone knows if it's possible to integrate gdeskcal with my Google Calendar?
[23:39] <Pelo> underwatercow,  you can use either  uuid or devtree in fstab , just make sure the dev tree still matches in fstab with what gparted shows you is what I mean , id you no longer have a sdb8 for exemple and fstab looks for one , that might cause problesm
[23:39] <Rich4> It opens when I close it
[23:39] <qazwsx> I just installed latest ubuntu; compiz is running -- how do I get virtual desktops?
[23:39] <evlP> the new compiz plugins arent showing up why?
[23:39] <Pelo> underwatercow,  yes deleting and creating a new partition will  create a new uuid
[23:39] <Pelo> qazwsx,  try asking in #compiz-fusion
[23:39] <jrib> Rich4: weird... did you check in system
[23:39] <Rich4> jrib: I close it, it re-opens. I minimize it, it maximizes.
[23:40] <underwatercow> Pelo: oh, then that is fine... the partition is still at the same dev location ie. /dev/sdb3
[23:40] <UbuntuDesperateU> hello
[23:40] <Pelo> evlP, not available in the repos yet
[23:40] <UbuntuDesperateU> anyone knows how to install the alc883 audio driver?
[23:40] <FakeSteveJObs> how do i disable NCQ?
[23:40] <Rich4> jrib: check what, exactly?
[23:40] <pwnt-> hipitihop: it doesn't record the sound
[23:40] <Pelo> UbuntuDesperateU,  try looking up your model here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport and in the forum www.ubuntuforums.org
[23:40] <underwatercow> Has anyone in here used Fril?
[23:41] <jrib> Rich4: never mind, I was going to suggest checking the settings in "session" but that would not account for the maximizing.  Does it happen with a fresh new user?
[23:41] <evlP> pelo, i dont know what you mean by that
[23:41] <booyaka> Mates I'm a pure newbie with 1 problem. When I apply normal or extra visual style top bar (with title, minimalisation, X close) disappears in every window. Any1 know how to solve this problem ?
[23:41] <underwatercow> Pelo: I guess I'll try restarting with a correct UUID now, thanks
[23:41] <Rich4> jrib: let me try
[23:41] <Pelo> underwatercow, best of luck
[23:41] <FakeSteveJObs> does anyone know how to disable NCQ (harddrive sata function)
[23:41] <Fryguy--> How do I save changes to preferences I make in compiz-config settings manager?  I changed some keybindings for scale and the old ones are still active and the new ones aren't
[23:42] <Pelo> evlP,  the new pluggins will are not available in the repos because no one made a package for them yet
[23:42] <Pelo> evlP, ie they are too new ,  give it some time
[23:42] <Pelo> Fryguy--, ask in #compiz-fusion
[23:42] <evlP> oh ok thanxs pelo
[23:42] <khajx> hey
[23:43] <Fryguy--> Pelo: it's related to the recent ubuntu upgrade of compiz packages (was working fine before the upgrade), so I thought that this would be a more appropriate place
[23:43]  * Pelo wonders who answers questions when he's not around
[23:43] <khajx> how do i compile a script file?
[23:43] <jrib> khajx: what language?
[23:43] <xIke_> hey all, I can't upgrade dpkg because it's complaining about a corrupt kernel install...how can I fix it?
[23:43] <khajx> not sure..
[23:43] <Pelo> Fryguy--, I'm not saying it is not , I don'T know anything about compiz so I am directing you to their channel
[23:43] <jrib> khajx: why do you want to?
[23:43] <khajx> not fromiliar with it
[23:43] <hou5ton> Just checking in on the latest Ubuntu release .... how is that whole Write to NTFS thing working?
[23:43] <khajx> it should makeinstall and stuff
[23:43] <Pelo> xIke_,   did you compile your kernel yourself ?
[23:44] <jrib> khajx: what are you trying to accomplish?
[23:44] <khajx> to run a script
[23:44] <xIke_> Pelo, I was, but someone told me to use kernelcheck and it did bad things
[23:44] <Markov__> anyone know why the TAB key is not being registered when i try to set it as a keybinding for compiz??
[23:44] <scragar> anyone know where the htdocs folder is if I decide to install apache from synaptic?
[23:44] <khajx> for it to makeinstall/configure
[23:44] <Fryguy--> scragar: /var/www
[23:44] <Squee> Whenever I try to open a rar, I get an "Archive type not supported" error, is there anyway to fix this?
[23:44] <scragar> Fryguy--: thanks
[23:45] <IndyGunFreak> !rar
[23:45] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[23:45] <Pelo> xIke_, if you had a regular kernel I would have suggested you reinstall it in synaptic but I don'T know about compiled kernels,  maybe try asking in ##linux
[23:45] <Rich4> jrib: yes, it occurs on new users
[23:45] <hipitihop> pwnt-, As I said I have not doen transcoding on linux so if you are using any of the MP3 variantes without having the coded installed then it won't work
[23:45] <jrib> khajx: please prefix your responses with my nick.  You need to say exactly what you want to do, not "run a script", something like "I want to install program X"
[23:45] <astro76> Squee, if you install the unrar package the archive manager will support it
[23:45]  * Pelo notices IndyGunFreak  crawling out from under his rock
[23:45] <IndyGunFreak> Pelo: :)
[23:45] <xIke_> Pelo, ok thanks
[23:45] <underwatercow> Pelo: that fixed it, thanks :-D
[23:46] <booyaka> so any1 solved that problem ?
[23:46] <Pelo> underwatercow,  no prob
[23:46] <Pelo> booyaka,  what problem ?
[23:46] <Radio1> What is a good dvd writting program.
[23:46] <ikon> how can i download MD5SUMS and MD5SUMS.GPG?
[23:46] <Chicle> g
[23:46] <booyaka> i wrote 5 minutes ago
[23:46] <Pelo> Radio1,  you mean dvd encoding ? or just some data ?
[23:46] <jrib> ikon: right click -> save target as...
[23:46] <Pelo> booyaka,  notce the speed of this channel ?  write it again
[23:46] <Radio1> encoding..I want to write downloads
[23:47] <Pelo> Radio1,  try devede
[23:47] <booyaka>  I'm a pure newbie with 1 problem. When I apply normal or extra visual style top bar (with title, minimalisation, X close) disappears in every window. Any1 know how to solve this problem ?
[23:47] <Radio1> synap?
[23:47] <Squee> astro76, do I find the package in the package manager?
[23:47] <astro76> Squee, yes
[23:47] <Rich4> jrib: the problem remains constant with new users.
[23:47] <Pelo> booyaka,  you need to enable the emerald windows decorator, ask about that in #compiz-fusion
[23:47] <booyaka> ok thank you
[23:48] <Pelo> sqee use the search button
[23:48] <jrib> Rich4: what version of ubuntu? When did it start happening?
[23:48] <Pelo> Squee, use the search button
[23:48] <pwnt-> why is it so hard, lol. in windows you just click one buttom and then you are recording whatever your watching.. why here its so hard.. sigh
[23:48] <khajx> jrib: im trying to install kiba-dock, theres a script file that i downloaded.. and it suposed to run the installation process.. its a *.sh file.
[23:48] <Squee> Okay, thanks astro76 and Pelo
[23:49] <Rich4> jrib: I'm on 7.1, and I believe its been like this since I installed the last update for 7.04 before 7.1 came out.
[23:49] <eljak> how would i run an editor using sudo on user www-data? do i need to set a password for that user?
[23:49] <Radio1> That is what I needed  Thanks pelo.
[23:49] <Squee> and the liveCD thing worked, if you can't tell, Astro76
[23:49] <Pelo> pwnt-,  check the prefs make sure you have asla selected for your audio device
[23:49] <jrib> eljak: what does it mean to run an editor on a user?
[23:49] <Nostro> Sometimes my Windows decoration just disappear. They reappear when I go to Control Panel and select GLDesktop config. Why is that?
[23:49] <Pelo> eljak,  sudo gedit /path/file
[23:50] <SirTane> hello
[23:50] <elli> azureus crashes
[23:50] <astro76> Squee, excellent ;)
[23:50] <eljak> jrib, no i want to run the editor as user www-data
[23:50] <SirTane> still ultranew to linux... how do i zip something?
[23:50] <Pelo> Nostro,  compiz requires the use of emerald windows decorator
[23:50] <jrib> eljak: why?
[23:50] <SirTane> i don't want a tar or gz file because i'm sending it to a friend on windows
[23:50] <jrib> khajx: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268645
[23:50] <ubuntu> so..this is a hardware question, kind of, i think?
[23:50] <Pelo> SirTane, select the file , files or folder ,  right click,  archive
[23:50] <khajx> ok
[23:50] <Nostro> Pelo: thanks. Emerald is installed and seems to be working already
[23:50] <ubuntu> i can't get my graphics card out of 340*320 mode
[23:50] <khajx> jrib: thanks.
[23:51] <SirTane> Pelo: that is creating a .tar.gz file
[23:51] <Pelo> Nostro,  try asking in #compiz-fusion then
[23:51] <jrib> khajx: note that links to another guide
[23:51] <ubuntu> srry bout my naem as well, the widnow is too big for the screen to change it
[23:51] <eljak> jrib, because it is the user used by apache and i want to edit my php files without having to chmod to my regular user
[23:51] <Pelo> SirTane,  you should have the option to select the format from a drop down list
[23:51] <Rich4> jrib: I'm on 7.1, and I believe its been like this since I installed the last update for 7.04 before 7.1 came out.
[23:51] <astro76> SirTane, after you select Create Archive... there is a drop down list with many archive types including zip
[23:51] <Nostro> Pelo: I'll try. Thank you
[23:51] <jrib> eljak: why would you not just use sudo?
[23:52] <elli> azureus crashes, tried install-reinstall but nothing good happens
[23:52] <jrib> Rich4: I saw, just give me a couple of minutes :)  If you kill the process in a terminal it still respawns?
[23:52] <SirTane> Pelo: i see now, thank you
[23:52] <SirTane> my god, linux continues to amaze
[23:52] <Kalumba> Hmmm, I have been looking but I can't seem to find the Jack sense option anywhere
[23:52] <Pelo> SirTane, donT be afraid to click on stuff
[23:53] <hipitihop> I have an acer aspire  5634WLMi with an NVidai 7300 and 1280 x 800 , what do I configure the monitor type ?
[23:53] <eljak> jrib, that was my question how to use sudo for www-data it doesnt work, do i need to set a password for the user?
[23:53] <ubuntu> anyone?
[23:53] <ubuntu> teh card is an ATI and the only one the machine will boot
[23:53] <Pelo> Kalumba,  top panel ,  the volume icon,  right click properties, third tab
[23:53] <ubuntu> hence me thinking this is a hardware problem
[23:53] <Pelo> !enter | ubuntu
[23:53] <ubotu> ubuntu: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[23:53] <jrib> eljak: www-data has nothing to do with it.  You just do 'sudo editor file' and edit your file.  What happened when you tried that?
[23:54] <Pelo> !ati | ubuntu
[23:54] <ubotu> ubuntu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:54] <elli> anyone? azureus works for everyone except to me?
[23:54] <please_hel1> Hello, i want to moitor all traffic which goes out of my pc, by the way, sometimes I use my pc as a rouer. I used: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 , which now allows me to see all traffic which goes from an other pc in the lan via my pc. Works great with "squid" Now I want to monitor all traffic which goes from my pc, interface ppp0. Can I realize this by just substituting
[23:54] <Pelo> elli,  most of us know better then to use azureus,  try deluge-torrent,  or utorrent on wine even
[23:54] <Kalumba> Pelo, you mean preferences? There is no properties selection
[23:55] <SirTane> a lot of people have problems with torrents now
[23:55] <elli> thanks!!
[23:55] <Pelo> Kalumba,  probably preference then
[23:55] <SirTane> one of the largest ISPs in the states is throttling outbound torrent traffic
[23:55] <SirTane> (comcast)
[23:55] <Pelo> SirTane, comcast has been on the bad isp list forever
[23:56] <SirTane> Pelo: for several states they actually have laws that limit the number of ISPs that can be offered
[23:56] <dreamcoder> hello just installed kubuntu how do i get all the win32 and everything working?
[23:56] <Kalumba> Pelo, right then. HDA Intel (Alsa Mixer) is selected as device and there are some selections such as Headphone, PCM, Front and so on under it
[23:56] <Pelo> SirTane, well considering the state of the USA these days I'm not surprise
[23:57] <Pelo> Kalumba, my mistake I should have checked first , dbl click the volume icon,   second tab
[23:57] <please_hel1> Hello, i want to moitor all traffic which goes out of my pc, by the way, sometimes I use my pc as a rouer. I used: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 , which now allows me to see all traffic which goes from an other pc in the lan via my pc. Works great with "squid" Now I want to monitor all traffic which goes from my pc, interface ppp0. Can I realize this by just substituting
[23:57] <erstazi> Hello, I have been busy working on setting up a DHCP server on my computer so it can hand the ip addresses to computers under its subnet, can someone please check my pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/760407
[23:57] <Pelo> please_hel1,  try with wireshark or ask in #networking
[23:58] <please_hel1> ok thx
[23:58] <Kalumba> Pelo, I only have one tab there: Playback.
[23:58] <dreamcoder> anyone? please help? i have just moved from SuSE and would like to know how to get all the restricted formats sorted even a link will do
[23:58] <Pelo> Kalumba,  what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[23:59] <Pelo> dreamcoder,  open synaptic , search for gstreamer , install all the gstreamer0.10 packages you see that should take care of it
[23:59] <Kalumba> 7.10
[23:59] <Rich4> jrib: what did you ask me to try (for the music player) in console?
[23:59] <Kalumba> Pelo, 7.10 with 2.6.22-14-generic kernel
[23:59] <Pici> !restricted | dreamcoder
[23:59] <ubotu> dreamcoder: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[23:59] <dreamcoder> so no need for the xine extra plugins? not even for encoding and decoding movies?
[23:59] <Pelo> Kalumba,  on a laptop ?  try looking up the model in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport , or check in the forum www.ubuntuforums.org , I'm out of ideas


[00:33] <bilal> sary: Walaikum alsalaam
[00:34] <bilal> sary: Done
[00:37] <sary> hey
[00:37] <sary> thank you.
[00:37] <sary> how are you/your family , and your new life .
[00:42] <sary> are you still a member of the indian team .. i have freind of the family who has a 15 y old son .. i interdosed GNU/Linux and free software to him , he is interested in this field.
[00:42] <sary> He's from india.
[00:43] <sary> and want to got the uni for computer science .
[00:43] <bilal> Technically
[00:44] <bilal> I was never a member of the Indian
[00:44] <bilal> team
[00:44] <bilal> I'm just in the team on Launchpad, that's all
[00:44] <bilal> Nice to hear about him
[00:44] <sary> Aha , i see.
[00:44] <bilal> And since I've moved to Canada now, the only way I can contact him is through IRC or email
[00:45] <sary> yeah , he is a good kid
[00:46] <sary> Well , i chatted with him in skype from his father account .. i told him about IRC , but am not sure if he got into it yet.
[00:46] <bilal> hmm
[00:46] <sary> if he does , i'll inviate him here first.
[00:51] <sary> find myself lonely with his ubuntu-team thing .. so i joined a couple of teams , like the wiki-team - docs and The Fourmswiki team that team got a nice tool to convert tutorials from the fourms to the wiki .
[00:53] <sary> also , am looking forward to learn packages .. i wanted to package the xvidcap so bad and maintaine it to make it an ubuntu official package .


[05:07] <milli> Is kvm known to be broken in Karmic with linux-image-2.6.30-X?
[05:25] <hyperair> is mktemp going to be included in the new coreutils or something?
[05:25] <hyperair> ah yes it is
[05:26] <hyperair> either way all the PPA buildds are broken =(
[05:28] <StevenK> So are the distro buildds
[05:28] <hyperair> i can imagine.
[05:33] <ghindo> That issue's been fixed upstream, right?  When are we gonna see the fix hit the repos?
[05:34] <slangasek> when one of the buildd admins has a chance to manually build the fixed coreutils package
[06:06] <pitti> Good morningt
[06:06] <StevenK> Morning pitti
[06:15] <dholbach> good morning
[06:15] <pitti> slangasek: for https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/72999, do you still need your lp:~vorlon/hal/lp.277589 branch? If not, would you mind deleting it?
[06:15] <pitti> hey dholbach
[06:15] <dholbach> hiya pitti
[06:17] <pitti> eww, new coreutils removes essential package mktemp
[06:17] <pitti> which is most probably intended, but apt still doesn't like it
[06:18] <wgrant> pitti: The fix is uploaded, but needs manual building...
[06:18] <dholbach> wgrant: manual building?
[06:19] <wgrant> dholbach: The buildds are broken because of this, so a buildd admin will need to manually build coreutils.
[06:19] <dholbach> argh :-(
[06:20] <slangasek> pitti: I guess it's been merged already, so deleting now
[06:20] <pitti> slangasek: yes, it is; unfortunately branches have to be set to "merged" manually
[06:20] <wgrant> pitti: Not any more they don't.
[06:21] <wgrant> But I suppose the target branch wasn't the development focus.
[06:21] <wgrant> So it wouldn't have set it.
[06:21] <wgrant> Because it wouldn't make sense.
[06:23] <wgrant> I guess package branches will fix that.
[06:31] <pitti> tkamppeter_: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19777 -> good work!
[07:30] <pitti> tjaalton, bryce: I just filed bug 383837 against compiz, then I realized that it is most likely a regression in xorg-edgers mesa; should I still keep the bug in LP, or report it somewhere else?
[07:36] <pitti> cjwatson: live system> you rock! boots fine in kvm here
[08:50] <pitti> . o O { gosh, my city is freaking out; and just because some American president is in town... }
[09:04] <pitti> seb128: FYI, current retracer failure is due to mktemp failed dist-upgrade; let's just leave it until the archive gets fixed
[09:05] <seb128> pitti: the bug has been fixed in debian I was going to do a sync now
[09:05] <pitti> seb128: it's already synced, but it doesn't build
[09:06] <seb128> pitti: right, just noticed, let's wait for infinity or something to sort that then
[09:07] <dholbach> can doko do it too?
[09:07] <seb128> dunno
[09:47] <pitti> All builds fail right now due to coreutils, being worked on | Archive: Open for development | Karmic alpha 1 released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-jaunty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for
[09:47] <pitti> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[09:47]  * Hobbsee hands pitti a /topic
[09:47] <pitti> Hobbsee: meh, thanks
[09:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:48] <wgrant> pitti: Do you want some more two-weeks-notice timezone change fun?
[09:54] <cjwatson> pitti: live> yay
[09:54] <cjwatson> dholbach: no, he can't
[09:54] <dholbach> cjwatson: gracias
[09:54] <pitti> wgrant: I just got poked about bug 383444, anything else?
[09:55] <wgrant> pitti: That's the one.
[09:55] <cjwatson> doing manual builds requires, basically, shutting down the buildds, constructing a faked-up chroot which will do what you want, poking that into the buildds, letting through the one package you want, and then setting the chroots back the way they were and restarting builds
[09:55] <cjwatson> the actual technical privileges required are in the intersection of ubuntu-archive and launchpad-buildd-admins, but in the general case you need direct shell access to the buildds too in order to construct proper chroots
[09:56] <cjwatson> in theory (e.g.) I could probably manage it, but I much prefer to leave it to Adam
[09:58] <elmo> cjwatson: infinity's on holiday till Tuesday
[09:59] <elmo> cjwatson: if this broken-distro rather than single-package-bootstrap, I'd better have someone else do it for you?
[10:01] <pitti> elmo: right now all builds fail due to it, and Alpha-2 is due on Thursday, so it would be great if it could be fixed before Tuesday
[10:01] <elmo> pitti: ok
[10:01] <pitti> elmo: many thanks!
[10:20] <cjwatson> elmo: oh, right - yes, please, thanks
[10:21] <hile> hmmh, a question about old releases, I had /dev/scd0 in fstab from old install for cdrom - I guess this was added there by some older version of ubuntu?
[10:22] <hile> I don't think I have added these myself, anyway there is a problem starting with jaunty with this
[10:23] <hile> problem is that sound-juicer and some other CD applications process this line and fail to eject the cdrom, because now my /dev/cdrom symlink really points to /dev/sr0
[10:23] <hile> changing the device name to sr0 fixed the problem...
[10:24] <hile> so, is ubuntu supposed to fix this line during upgrades? maybe I have re-indented it or something and broken the change in upgrade if it's supposed to be done...
[10:31] <cjwatson> update-manager probably ought to adjust it, but I didn't think the device name was meant to be sr0
[10:31] <cjwatson> 50-udev-default.rules:SUBSYSTEM=="block", KERNEL=="sr[0-9]*", SYMLINK+="scd%n", GROUP="cdrom"
[10:31] <tjaalton> pitti: upstream would probably want to know about the bug
[10:31] <cjwatson> (so actually ignore my comment about update-manager, I typed that before checking the udev rules)
[10:31] <tjaalton> pitti: so, bugs.fd.o
[10:32] <cjwatson> I think you should investigate why /dev/scd0 is not present on your system. Have you changed udev rules?
[10:32] <pitti> tjaalton: good, will forward it there then; thanks
[10:32] <tjaalton> pitti: yep, thanks
[10:33] <cjwatson> or is it just that applications refuse to handle it if it doesn't match the /dev/cdrom symlink? in which case perhaps it is a bug in those applications
[10:36] <hile> I have scd0, but /dev/cdrom points directly to /dev/sr0
[10:37] <hile> I was getting errors from gvfs regarding this, it was quite hard to track it the fstab :)
[10:38] <cjwatson> I'd venture to suggest that it's an application bug if they don't like that then
[10:38] <cjwatson> if it's the same device ...
[10:38] <hile> basically gvfs was saying (without the device name) error 'this is not a volume'
[10:38] <cjwatson> linux/Documentation/devices.txt says "The prefix /dev/sr (instead of /dev/scd) has been deprecated."
[10:38] <cjwatson> so I don't think we should use it
[10:39] <hile> but /dev/cdrom points to /dev/sr0 anyway
[10:40] <hile> and yeah, nautilus and gnome-mount were happy to unmount /dev/cdrom, sound-juicer and brasero do not work
[10:41] <n0yd> Any idea when this might be fixed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/350695
[10:41] <n0yd> I looked on the kernel bugzilla, couldn't find a bug there for it, so I added one.
[10:42] <hile> i guess it really is application problem, just wondering how sound-juicer/brasero use gvfs differently from nautilus
[10:43] <cjwatson> hile: sure, but it's all the same device (and it's probably much easier to write udev rules so that the symlinks come out that way). If I were you I'd be filing bugs on sound-juicer and brasero.
[10:44] <hile> sure, I'll do that, just wanted to make sure it's not a screwup I have caused somehow myself
[10:45] <cjwatson> hile: doesn't look like it, on the face of it
[10:46] <n0yd> That bug I posted also han't been fixed in the karmic kernel either
[10:54] <cjwatson> pitti: could you please not have https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/karmic/hal/ubuntu in the source package branch namespace? I pretty firmly believe that only full-tree branches should be in that namespace
[10:54] <cjwatson> (and I said this yesterday and I didn't see you objecting then ...)
[10:55] <cjwatson> pitti: if you give us some time, we may be able to come up with a way to glue your history into a full-tree branch; we discussed this at UDS
[10:55] <pitti> cjwatson: okay, I'll move it back then
[10:56] <cjwatson> thanks
[10:56] <pitti> (not that it would be any more appropriate against the upstream project FWIW)
[10:56] <cjwatson> no, but at least it's existing inappropriateness
[10:57] <pitti> deleted
[10:57] <cjwatson> once we have source package branches for everything I want it to be an invariant that we can point people at those branches and they can see all the code we ship
[10:57] <cjwatson> even if those aren't the branches we actually develop against for the time being
[10:58] <cjwatson> obviously it will take some shuffling to get there ...
[10:59] <pitti> pushed to old location and updated Vcs-Bzr in bzr
[11:06] <rcmorano> pitti: u around?
[11:06] <pitti> rcmorano: hi
[11:06] <rcmorano> yo :]
[11:06] <rcmorano> im looking into a gdm-guest-session bug
[11:07] <rcmorano> ive found that it applies a apparmor profile which disallows the guest user to execute files in /tmp/**
[11:08] <rcmorano> so, for example, in my case, .desktops in Desktop/
[11:08] <rcmorano> are not rendered (no icon, not trusted -> can not be executed)
[11:09] <pitti> rcmorano: right
[11:09] <rcmorano> well, i forgot to mention that guest user homedir is created in /tmp
[11:09] <rcmorano> although i think u already know hehe
[11:09] <rcmorano> so... i wanted to know if that's a security issue
[11:09] <rcmorano> or just a deeper bug
[11:09] <rcmorano> (guest user could not execute anything inside of his home)
[11:10] <pitti> rcmorano: when I wrote the AA profile, I just included the minimum privs to get the session up and running, and use the installed programs
[11:10] <pitti> running guests' own code wasn't amongst those
[11:10] <rcmorano> aha
[11:11] <pitti> but I guess it's easy to circumvent anyway, and guest doesn't have many privs, so I wouldn't mind adding /tmp/** x
[11:12] <rcmorano> yeh, ive tried 'ix' and worked right
[11:12] <rcmorano> just wanted to know if i should file a bug from the point of view of ".desktops are not rendered" or "guest user can not execute a shit"
[11:12] <rcmorano> hehe
[11:13] <rcmorano> if you think it's ok to allow guest user to execute things i can open a bug about this issue
[11:14] <pitti> rcmorano: if you change /etc/apparmor.d/gdm-guest-session
[11:14] <pitti> /tmp/** rwlkm,
[11:14] <pitti> to
[11:14] <pitti> /tmp/** rwlkmx,
[11:14] <pitti> rcmorano: does it work then?
[11:14] <pitti> rcmorano: right, please report a bug
[11:14] <rcmorano> there is no 'x' flag
[11:14] <rcmorano> ive tried 'ix'
[11:15] <rcmorano> and 'ux' (which threw me a warning about security risks)
[11:15] <rcmorano> im not very familiar to apparmor
[11:15] <rcmorano> i just tried to add any +x permissions
[11:15] <rcmorano> :]
[11:15] <pitti> rcmorano: right, sorry; ix is fine
[11:15] <rcmorano> oke :D
[11:15] <pitti> ux is a no-no
[11:16] <rcmorano> yeh i supposed hehe
[11:16] <rcmorano> many thanks mate
[11:16] <rcmorano> gonna report it :]!
[11:18] <ogra> mmm, kms is noce :)
[11:18] <ogra> *nice
[11:18] <pitti> ogra: pure love, isn't it? :-)
[11:19] <ogra> yeah, finally my gdm comes up in the right resolution on the external monitor
[11:19] <rcmorano> it's so beatiful :]
[11:19] <ogra> though i didnt see any change in usplash
[11:25] <ogra> hmm, dropping the resolution settings from usplash.conf gets it right on shutdown, but not during boot
[11:25] <ogra> i guess it first detects the internal display ...
[11:26] <cjwatson> right, I was just about to try something similar
[11:26] <pitti> I just disabled usplash, we can't start it in the initramfs any more anyway with KMS
[11:26] <cjwatson> surely one needs to ensure that i915 is there before usplash starts - and that, I think, is sort of conditional on Keybuk's plans to move usplash out of the initramfs
[11:26] <cjwatson> or at least sometimes out of the initramfs. I think we still need it in the initramfs for live CD boots
[11:27] <ogra> my initramfs is still around for more than 10s
[11:27] <cjwatson> well, considering that Keybuk hasn't started uploading work to slim it down yet ... :)
[11:27] <ogra> there is no kernel driver for the builtin touchscreen, it always takes a while to notice
[11:29] <ogra> which means udev hangs scanning for a while, i think we'll see that on other unknown devices too and should have a fallback for that case
[11:30] <cjwatson> we are going to have a fallback for cases where a bigger initramfs with usplash is necessary
[11:30] <cjwatson> that's already been discussed and agreed
[11:30] <ogra> ah, good
[11:30] <cjwatson> exactly when we do that fallback is I think less critical
[11:30] <ogra> i sadly missed that session
[11:30] <cjwatson> but we know that we need it for things like dm-crypt
[11:30] <ogra> yeah
[11:31] <ogra> hmm, /me thought Bug 365053 was fixed
[11:33] <ogra> ah, no, we only discussed the fix
[11:58] <lamont> g;morning
[12:01] <pitti> cjwatson: can you please revert the oo.o-l10n cdimage hack from alpha-1?
[12:01] <pitti> hey lamont
[12:02] <cjwatson> pitti: I already did
[12:02] <cjwatson> timestamp: Mon 2009-05-18 10:36:18 +0100
[12:02] <pitti> cjwatson: cheers
[12:05] <pitti> Riddell: is someone working on bug 376396 by next Tuesday? (alpha-2 blocker)
[12:06] <Riddell> pitti: yeah I'll look at it
[12:06] <pitti> cool, thanks
[12:15] <seb128> directhex: hi, is there anything blocking us to update the gtk# stack to 2.4?
[12:16] <directhex> seb128, mono you mean? i'd been holding off on requesting an update until an ourtstanding bug in -2 is fixed which forces user acknowledgement to upgrade using aptitude
[12:16] <asac> siretart: hi. how are you? what do you think about opening up scanResults member to "default" in wpasupplicant dbus config?
[12:16] <seb128> directhex: ok thanks
[12:16] <directhex> seb128, there's a bugfix release, 2.4.2, due from upstream on monday, so we were gonna -1 that rather than -3 2.4.0
[12:17] <seb128> directhex: ok, I was just wondering if we would get the new version before alpha2 next week
[12:17] <directhex> seb128, if you're happy enough with the minor upgrade issue which only affects a non-default upgrade tool, then it's fine to pull it in
[12:18] <seb128> the issue is only for aptitude?
[12:18] <directhex> seb128, indeed. tested with update-manager and apt-get and synaptic as fine
[12:19] <seb128> ok, so we can update, unstable users should not care about such details
[12:19] <directhex> seb128, aptitude's super-advanced resolver fails to work out that an old package should be removed without the user agreeing to the proposed removal
[12:24] <asac> TheMuso: would like to talk a bit about bluetooth + pulse in karmic, let me know when there/back.
[12:31] <siretart> asac: hey there, I'm more or less fine, but caught a cold
[12:32] <siretart> asac: regarding wpasupplicant, sorry, I have to admit that I haven't looked in that package for some month, and didn't look into the dbus interface at all
[12:35] <asac> siretart: yeah. the idea is to allow user apps to look at current scanResults; afaik they can do that using iwlist anyway - but iwlist is more unreliable.
[12:36] <asac> example: firefox 3.5 uses iw to get scan results for its geolocation stuff
[12:36] <asac> feels like wpasupplicant could help to make this better
[12:50] <Riddell> pitti: who should be approver for kubuntu specs I write?
[12:51] <pitti> Riddell: someone else in the Kubuntu community, like ScottK, or me, as you wish
[13:11] <siretart> asac: isn't that exposed already anyways by nm-tool?
[13:17]  * wgrant is glad to see the buildds in manual mode.
[13:17] <cjwatson> yeah, we probably ought to have done that earlier, sorry
[13:17] <cjwatson> I'll do a mass give-back once this is all done
[13:18] <wgrant> No, not really - it blocks all PPA builds too...
[13:18] <cjwatson> yeah, but those were failing too (at least the ones for karmic)
[13:18] <wgrant> Which isn't most of them.
[13:18] <cjwatson> true, I guess
[13:18] <wgrant> Last time this happened, a lot of PPA users were veeery confused.
[13:19] <cjwatson> though we could have taken down all the distro builders and left the PPA ones up
[13:19] <wgrant> That's true.
[13:19] <cjwatson> buildds have to be down while chroots are being mangled manually, though
[13:19] <cjwatson> them's the rules
[13:19] <wgrant> Right.
[13:20] <wgrant> I guess it could be a bit bad if a PPA Karmic build gets dispatched with the hacked up chroot.
[13:59] <Riddell> pitti: how do we get our specs series goal to be accepted for katmic?
[13:59] <Riddell> karmic
[14:00] <pitti> Riddell: I can accept them for you
[14:00] <pitti> just toss me the links
[14:01] <Riddell> pitti: all the ones on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs
[14:03] <pitti> Riddell: done
[15:01] <mterry> Under what circumstances does a give-back just fix stuff?  I've got a FTBFS that looks like that's all it needs (builds in my chroot), but I can't figure out why it failed in first place.  The buildd couldn't find dependencies that seem like they should have been built and ready for a month beforehand.  bug 383921
[15:05] <DktrKranz> mterry: if a no-change upload would fix a FTBFS, a give-back is good.
[15:05] <cjwatson> mterry: apt isn't always very detailed about its uninstallability messages
[15:05] <cjwatson> mterry: it probably wasn't actually the fault of the packages listed there, but rather of one of their dependencies
[15:05] <cjwatson> mterry: if they're installable in karmic right now, I'd recommend a give-back
[15:06] <mterry> cjwatson: OK.  Who do I ping about that?  Or subscribe to the bug?  main-sponsors?
[15:06] <james_w> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/librcc/+publishinghistory
[15:06] <cjwatson> mterry: hardly seems worth the sponsorship queue, I'll just do it now
[15:06] <james_w> it was the ogre model
[15:06] <james_w> the package has been promoted in the meantime
[15:06] <cjwatson> mterry: anyone who can upload the package can give it back
[15:07] <mterry> james_w: I don't get that from your link
[15:07] <mterry> cjwatson: OK, thanks
[15:08] <james_w> the link shows that the same version of the package has been published twice in karmic, once in universe, and then later in main
[15:08] <cjwatson> it's not very clear from the link, but when you see two publishing records for the same version like that, it's because its overrides changed
[15:08] <james_w> also, bug 374997
[15:09] <mterry> james_w: I see.  I did look at that link before, but the inclusion was on May 12, and the build failed on May 28
[15:09] <cjwatson> but enca was never promoted
[15:09] <mterry> Ah..
[15:09] <cjwatson> so, actually, those builds might well still fail ...
[15:09] <cjwatson> what you need to do to reproduce this is to try the build in a chroot with only main enabled, not universe
[15:10] <LaserJock> anybody know anything about libgnet ?
[15:10] <mterry> cjwatson: Ah!  That makes sense
[15:12] <LaserJock> it looks like gnet was in Main through Hardy and then got demoted for Intrepid
[15:13] <LaserJock> cjwatson: does ubuntu-archive keep track of why things are demoted?
[15:14] <cjwatson> LaserJock: no, it's basically always just because nothing depends on it any more so there's not much to keep track of
[15:15] <slangasek> right, the record is kept either in the seed commit log or in the changelog of the package that stopped depending on it
[15:15] <LaserJock> cjwatson: right, makes sense. So do I need a full MIR to get it back in or is a simple bug enough?
[15:16] <LaserJock> or can I just upload something that deps on it
[15:17] <LaserJock> the latest Debian version of gcompris depends on libgnet-dev so I wasn't sure if I should just merge and fix the FTBFS later or try to get gnet promoted first
[15:18] <cjwatson> I think a simple bug's probably enough, with a note that it used to be in main
[15:18] <slangasek> LaserJock: that's for the MIR team to decide anyway, so simplest is to open a bug that just says "it was in main before and we want to bring it back", then subscribe ubuntu-mir and see what they say
[15:18] <cjwatson> (subscribe ~ubuntu-archive)
[15:18] <cjwatson> oh, opposite viewpoints :)
[15:18] <slangasek> well, we agree on "simple bug" :)
[15:18] <cjwatson> subscribing ~ubuntu-mir is the conservative approach and is definitely fine
[15:19] <LaserJock> ok, cool, thanks guys
[15:28] <lamont> cjwatson: can we turn the world back on?
[15:29] <lamont> my karmic chroot upgraded to 7.4-2 without whining
[15:29] <cjwatson> yep, mine too
[15:30]  * ion_ tests... yeah, works </metoo>
[15:32] <ion_> Do buildds have to do such automatic upgrades that may put them into a broken state? How about aptitude safe-upgrade, with an admin running a manual full-upgrade every once in a while? I’m sure there are reasons that wouldn’t work, though.
[15:32] <cjwatson> I think it's best overall for them to be current, yes
[15:33] <cjwatson> instances such as this are rare
[15:33] <ion_> Yeah, that’s true
[15:33] <cjwatson> and in fact the last case where we had to recover manually wouldn't have been prevented by your scheme
[15:33] <ion_> A snapshotting filesystem and automatic rollback if things break? :-)
[15:34] <dholbach> mvo: ^ tell ion_ about your new idea :)
[15:35] <LaserJock> james_w: around?
[15:35] <wgrant> Couldn't 7.4-1 have been removed, the previous version copied back in, 7.4-2 uploaded, and everything resolved pretty quickly without nasty chroot mangling?
[15:35] <james_w> LaserJock: yup
[15:36] <cjwatson> ion_: I'd like to keep the buildds simple :)
[15:37] <cjwatson> wgrant: maybe, but we'd have to circumvent strict rules about going backwards
[15:37] <ion_> A snapshotting filesystem, an automatic snapshot before each upgrade, and a *manual* rollback by admin if things break? :-P
[15:38] <cjwatson> ion_: you know that the buildd filesystem is unpacked afresh from a tarball for every build, right?
[15:38] <wgrant> cjwatson: And you didn't have to circumvent strict rules about changing buildds to manual, altering chroots, and manually dispatching builds (assuming that the exception wasn't already made for this sort of case)?
[15:38] <cjwatson> wgrant: the rules are in different places
[15:38] <robbiew> cjwatson: i figured it was too late in our cycle to jump to eglibc...since I also don't recall any decision being made
[15:38] <slangasek> and anyway, that wouldn't change the fact that the resulting snapshotted buildd would have other stale packages, which is something we want to avoid
[15:39] <cjwatson> wgrant: the procedure for this sort of thing is pretty well-established
[15:39] <ion_> cjwatson: Ah, ok.
[15:39] <wgrant> cjwatson: I guess so.
[15:39] <cjwatson> robbiew: hmm, ok
[15:39] <robbiew> cjwatson: i'm happy to...if we feel it's reasonably safe, though
[15:40] <cjwatson> well, I do, but I know there is disagreement
[15:40] <slangasek> if maintainers wouldn't upload Essential packages in a broken state, we wouldn't have to worry about broken chroots so much anyway ;)
[15:40] <robbiew> cjwatson: right...and I can't recall where that thread ended up
[15:40] <slangasek> robbiew: down a rathole, as usual :)
[15:41] <cjwatson> stalled, I think. I do have some sympathy for the view that with doko doing other things this cycle maybe it isn't the ideal time to switch over; I would like to make sure that we have some practical way to merge bug-fixes from Debian when we need to though
[15:41] <robbiew> right....and doing it now, versus a potential LTS release makes sense
[15:42] <slangasek> if the switch is what it's supposed to be, I don't see any reason release-wise to consider it "too late" to switch
[15:42] <robbiew> hmmm
[15:42] <slangasek> since it's effectively a packaging change, not pulling in a major new upstream version of a toolchain package or anything
[15:42] <cjwatson> I see it much more likely to be a PR issue than an operational one, myself
[15:43] <robbiew> well...hmm
[15:43] <cjwatson> a lot of people are worried about things that (on investigation) I think have been accounted for
[15:43] <cjwatson> but the eglibc upstream folks aren't great at describing what they're doing
[15:45] <azeem> certainly being able to remove large parts of glibc for the installer might be nice
[15:46] <azeem> but yeah, the way Debian communicated it wasn't perfect, combined with a low-profile upstream
[15:48] <cjwatson> azeem: I'm not even bothered about that
[15:49] <cjwatson> I mean, I don't hugely object, although I shudder slightly at the idea of some of the bug reports it might generate so actually I'd sort of rather the C library weren't stripped down for the installer
[15:51] <calc> pitti: does using apport-collect on a bug append a bug tag 'apport-package' or something like that to it?
[15:51] <robbiew> cjwatson: slangasek: we have the release meeting coming up...should we discuss the eglibc there?  or is that just making the rat hole bigger?
[15:52] <calc> pitti: i'm trying to write a script that can automatically process my bug queue :)
[15:52] <azeem> I thought Ubuntu sets the toolchain one release in advance; is this about karmic or karmic+1?
[15:52] <slangasek> robbiew: I think that's just going to lead to bikeshedding
[15:52] <slangasek> azeem: karmic
[15:52] <azeem> k
[15:53] <slangasek> as I said, I dispute that this constitutes a "toolchain" change that we need to worry about the impact of :)
[15:54] <azeem> it might get some media attention though - even the Debian move got much more attention than aurel32 would've dreamt about
[15:54] <azeem> (or wanted)
[15:54] <azeem> like Canonical vs. RedHat or something
[15:56] <robbiew> slangasek: yeah...figured
[15:56] <slangasek> azeem: how naive of him ;)
[15:57]  * robbiew considers making "the call"...
[15:57] <pitti> calc: it doesn't right now, since it can't know what the problem is all about (crash, package failure, bug report, etc.)
[15:58] <calc> pitti: ah ok
[15:59]  * calc has 400 bug mail to process today, yuck
[16:05] <pitti> NCommander, lool, seb128: there, an armel apport retracer!
[16:05] <ogra> YAY !!!!
[16:05] <pitti> elmo: thanks for fixing the firewall
[16:05]  * ogra hugs elmo
[16:05] <pitti> processing the huuuuge (erm, "3") backlog now
[16:05] <ogra> heh
[16:05]  * robbiew hits elmo...again :P
[16:14] <bryce> pitti: bug reports about xorg-edgers are fine in x lp; just be sure the versions used are listed in the report so it's clear
[16:14] <Riddell> do we have Section: debug in karmic?
[16:14] <ogra> bryce, happy to report that youtube fullscreen works again with the latest fix
[16:14] <pitti> bryce: yes, I did an apport-collect for mesa again
[16:15] <pitti> bryce: didn't upstream it yet (release meeting, and then I need to run), will do later/monday
[17:12] <ogra> cjwatson, do you bump debian-cd alongside (tools/boot-arm) the installer ?
[17:13] <cjwatson> ogra: yeah, will do that now
[17:13] <ogra> thanks
[17:13] <cjwatson> asac: xulrunner-1.9 seems to have grown by a megabyte from .0.8 to .0.10 - do you know why?
[17:17] <slangasek> I looked at the coreutils growth when I noticed it; turns out each of the umpteen million utilities grew in size by a block :P
[17:18] <cjwatson> I can probably do something about man-d
[17:18] <cjwatson> b
[17:18] <cjwatson> though it's well down the list
[17:18] <slangasek> bah, why is openoffice.org-l10n-en-za now 8.8MB instead of 384K?
[17:19] <cjwatson> I was just about to say!
[17:19] <cjwatson> calc: ^-
[17:19] <cjwatson> Changed: openoffice.org-l10n-en-za                            8564K
[17:19] <cjwatson>          3.0.1-9ubuntu2                                        378K
[17:19] <cjwatson>          3.1.0-3ubuntu2                                       8942K
[17:43] <calc> ah crap, looking into that now
[17:45] <calc> looks like en-za has more stuff localized now, looking to see what was in 3.0.1 now
[17:49] <calc> is there an easy way to do a file size comparison for a whole deb?
[17:49] <calc> er side by side file size comparison
[17:50] <calc> so en-za was installed size 5488 size 387750 for jaunty and is now installed size 16080 size 9157472 for karmic, the installed size roughly doubled but the compressed size went way up
[17:51] <calc> for other langs such as -de it was already huge for the compressed size, so i am not sure what was going on with it being so tiny for the en-za on jaunty
[17:52] <cjwatson> calc: easy way> if you find one let me know :-)
[17:53] <calc> cjwatson: heh ok
[17:53] <cjwatson> calc: there aren't any extra files in there then? it's just extra translations?
[17:53] <calc> cjwatson: i think so, not quite sure what happened
[17:53] <cjwatson> calc: how many of the localisations are just identical to the original text?
[17:53] <calc> cjwatson: it doesn't look like there are things that shouldn't be there from just looking at dpkg -L
[17:53] <cjwatson> calc: we had that problem for en_US once and instituted some specialised filtering
[17:54] <calc> other languages like -de were already roughly the size en-za is now for compressed size
[17:54] <calc> already in jaunty i mean
[17:54] <cjwatson> specifically http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/langpack-o-matic/main/annotate/head%3A/bin/msgequal.c
[17:55] <cjwatson> for 8MB, it might be worth trying to see if e.g. it could depend on en-us and symlink ...
[17:56] <cjwatson> or something like that
[17:56] <calc> ah i think i see what the issue is
[17:56] <slangasek> in fact, the en-us stuff appears to be in -common
[17:56] <calc> yea i think whatever was doing the symlinks went away
[17:57] <calc> so the templates caused the file size explosion
[17:57] <cjwatson> aha
[18:03] <calc> it probably got dropped due to the directory name changing, i'll have to dig around in the rules and see what happened
[18:04] <calc> with each new release ooo changes its basis dir name
[18:04] <calc> there is a link dir that i might be able to use to link to instead which if that is problem with cause it not to recur
[18:06]  * calc bbl, lumch
[18:06] <calc> er lunch
[18:22] <mterry> Does bug 384012 need an InclusionReport wiki page too or is it self-obvious enough?
[18:28] <calc> cjwatson: does en-za hit the cd? i assume this is an alpha 2 blocker?
[18:28] <slangasek> it does hit the CD
[18:28] <calc> cjwatson: if so i can try to get it done by monday night for a2 freeze
[18:28] <calc> slangasek: ok
[18:28] <slangasek> it may not be an a2 blocker, but it would be nice to have this done
[18:28] <calc> slangasek: i'll get it done, if you haven't seen an upload by monday ping me again
[18:28] <slangasek> ok, cheers :)
[18:28]  * calc will be out most of the day tomorrow, but should have time to work on it on sunday
[18:29] <calc> i can turn on l10n export to rosetta finally as well (i think), upstream fixed that issue shortly after my last upload
[18:29] <calc> i'll make sure to actually test it works before uploading though, heh
[18:30] <calc> it takes 2hr to do a build without l10n export vs ~ 6hr with it so i normally don't do l10n export testing
[18:30] <slangasek> mterry: binary packages should not generally need MIRs at all; my understanding is that the MIR review is done source-wise
[18:31] <mterry> slangasek: I asked in #ubuntu-motu and superm1 indicated that it is per-binary
[18:31] <slangasek> hmm
[18:31] <slangasek> as an archive admin, I don't believe that's true in practice :)
[18:32] <mterry> slangasek: He gave lirc as an example.  And I'm giving python-gnome2-extras as an example.  :)
[18:33] <slangasek> mterry: well, *especially* in this case, it's clear to me that no MIR is needed
[18:33] <slangasek> since it's simply a binary package split of stuff already in main
[18:33] <mterry> Right
[18:34] <mterry> Sometimes ya'll like your formality though  :)
[18:34] <slangasek> so this is already on the component-mismatches report under "binary only promotions", which I routinely act on without even looking for an MIR bug
[18:35] <slangasek> as for the referenced build failure, I think deskbar-applet should be updated to not rely on the transitional dummy package
[18:35] <mterry> Guh!  So you have a special "binary only promotions" page and you weren't sure if inclusion was per-binary?
[18:35] <mterry> slangasek: Agreed
[18:35] <slangasek> mterry: "weren't sure if"?
[18:36] <mterry> slangasek: Ah.  You were talking about the *review* being source-wise
[18:36] <slangasek> yes
[18:37] <slangasek> so if the source is in main, as an archive admin I don't look for other paperwork before resolving the binaries on components-mismatches
[18:37] <mterry> Alright, I'll see about filing a debian bug about the deskbar-applet thing I guess
[18:37] <mterry> slangasek: Sure.  So I won't file binary-only inclusion bugs in future, I'll just poke you if it's urgent.
[18:37] <slangasek> sounds good :)
[18:37] <slangasek> binaries promoted, in this case
[18:37] <slangasek> so I think you can close that bug
[18:38] <mterry> k
[18:40] <cjwatson> mterry: poke the archive admin of the day for preference, though; http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration
[18:41] <mterry> slangasek: Hmm, curiously, deskbar-applet is requesting the python-gnome2-extras-dbg package which tries to pull in the rest.  The -dbg package seems to intentionally not be split up.  So I guess there's no work to do
[18:41] <slangasek> mterry: ah, ok
[18:41] <cjwatson> gah, somebody NBSed libdirectfb-1.0-0-udeb without checking for reverse-dependencies
[18:41] <slangasek> cjwatson: would help if the NBS reports actually showed udeb revdeps :/
[18:41] <cjwatson> though ... was just about to say that
[18:41] <cjwatson> I can fix that one
[18:42] <mterry> cjwatson: Fascinating wiki page.  That explains why jdstrand is pushing all my syncs in today
[18:43] <slangasek> yes :)
[18:46] <cjwatson> slangasek: fixed
[18:46] <slangasek> yay
[19:35] <stani> should an application use notifications when it is still visible?
[19:36] <hyperair> no.
[19:37] <stani> hyperair: do you mean when it is not active? as I don't know how to implement if it is not hidden behind another window.
[19:38] <hyperair> stani: there should be a way to check if the window is active =\
[19:38] <hyperair> i think as long as the window is not the active window, it's fine.
[19:38] <stani> the active state I can check, but now how many overlap there is from other windows
[19:38] <stani> ok thanks
[19:39] <hyperair> keywords: i think
[19:45] <siretart>  are the buildds still on manual? it doesn't look so to me...
[19:46] <slangasek> siretart: no
[19:47] <siretart> ok :-)
[19:50] <superm1> mterry, oh I didn't realize you were talking about a package with it's source already in main :)
[19:50] <mterry> superm1: I was asking in the abstract, but yeah.  :)
[19:55] <cjwatson> siretart: oh, thanks, sorry my fault for not updating the topic
[20:05] <milli> Is kvm known to be broken in Karmic with linux-image-2.6.30-{7,8}-generic?  Just wondering if I need to dig deeper or not...  I didn't find anything in LP for karmic.
[20:06] <milli> kvm works fine with 2.6.28-11-generic (this is i386 if it matters)
[22:19]  * slangasek considers making update-maintainer also mangle the names of Vcs-* fields
[23:44] <bryce> pitti, slangasek, rickspencer3:  I've cataloged a bunch of X freeze fixes that have been suggested, that could be looked at for sru's to jaunty:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/IntelDriver#Fixes
[23:44] <bryce> some are kernel patches, some X, most need some amount of work before they can be sru'd
[23:44] <rickspencer3> hmm
[23:45] <rickspencer3> I think Jaunty will be around for a long time, so we should probably SRU all that are reasonable ...
[23:45] <rickspencer3> but it sounds like a lot of work to prepare, test, and roll out so many patches
[23:46] <slangasek> best is to do them in large batches for each package, really, since the risk of regression is much smaller than the odds of false negative reports from people hitting different freeze bugs