[00:55] <hallyn_> hi, i have a noob question on relation-joined vs relation-changed.  do i understand right that i can relation-set several things in x-relation-joined?  and x-relation-changed will be fired in response to any relation-set by the peer?
[00:56] <hallyn_> (somethign is not quite going right in my charm, and i'm trying to figure out if it's kvm's fault, or my charms')
[00:57] <hallyn_> hm, maybe here's my problem.  I have x relating to y.  y-relation-joined is doing two relation-sets.  x-relation-changed at the top does relatino-get on both of them.  What is expected to happen?  will one of them (racily) fail?
[00:58] <hallyn_> is there an argument i can check in x-relation-changed to tell me which relation was changed?
[00:59]  * hallyn_ reading over https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-anatomy.html
[01:00] <hallyn_> all right think i've got it, thanks
[01:01] <sarnold> hallyn_: what's the resolution? :)
[01:01] <hallyn_> I'll need to look through `relation-ids` output to see what relations have been set so far
[01:08] <hallyn_> sarnold: yeah i see now that what i had was quite racy.  i haven't yet committed the fixes to bzr, so you can see for yourself in *-relation-{changed,joined} in bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/charms/precise/kvm-test-block-dest/trunk/ and bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/charms/precise/kvm-test-block-src/trunk/
[01:08] <hallyn_> :)
[01:09] <hallyn_> all right well the way my day's going i'd better commit now before my hd dies :)
[01:09] <sarnold> eeek
[01:10] <sarnold> hope your weekend goes better :)
[01:10] <hallyn_> heh thanks me too :)
[01:10] <hallyn_> (I already manged to type "rm budg *" instead of "rm budg*" in my homedir earlier today :)
[01:10] <sarnold> UGH!
[01:10] <sarnold> owwwww
[01:11] <hallyn_> luckily i've been so conditioned by wildfires and floods that i don't really lose much when i lose a hd :)
[01:12] <sarnold> "lucky" indeed
[01:12] <hallyn_> so let's see if this works now.  if it does i can start adding ceph backends for some real fun
[01:14] <sarnold> hallyn_:  DEST_GOT_SSHKEY vs got-sshkey  ... in kvm-test-block-src
[01:14] <sarnold> hallyn_: should this:  elif [ "$id" = "DEST_GOT_SSHKEY" ]; then   be this?  elif [ "$id" = "got-sshkey" ]; then
[01:14] <hallyn_> oh at first i thought you were pointing out case-difference.  yeah
[01:20] <hallyn_> thanks, fixed :)
[01:22] <hallyn_> starting another test.  back in awhile
[10:21] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:21] <czajkowski> hey folks https://jujucharms.com/precise/mongodb-HEAD/  seems to not be loading
[10:22] <czajkowski> none of the other charms are
[10:22] <czajkowski> jcastro: ^^
[11:16] <rick_h_> czajkowski: take off the -HEAD
[11:16] <rick_h_> czajkowski: we've got to fix the urls again. Will hopefully have that updated soon
[11:16] <rick_h_> czajkowski: so https://jujucharms.com/precise/mongodb
[11:26] <czajkowski> rick_h_: hey there
[11:26] <czajkowski> they were broken thursday evening and jcastro got them fixed
[11:29] <rick_h_> czajkowski: k
[11:33] <czajkowski> rick_h_: just we've been tweeting it and then the url is broken , didn't know who to poke
[11:33] <czajkowski> rick_h_: howdy doody :)
[17:20] <AskUbuntu> Configure a container for using it with juju | http://askubuntu.com/q/345535


  But I think leaving it up to Pici is good.
[23:36] <dax> oh, didn't see you there
[23:36] <JackFrost> That's OK, as soon as you get used to this nick I'll change it.
[23:36] <dax> mhm
[23:44] <tsimonq2> RT #31093 is the logging bot
[23:46] <tsimonq2> Thanks dax and JackFrost for the help with this


[06:29] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: hmm... the wireless/battery panel icons end up blurry > http://imagebin.ca/view/RgUfsKq.html , but the volume is fine , i believe its because the icons dont exist in the 24px
[07:15] <bratsche> Hey all.
[07:26] <DanRabbit1> mac_v: I'm working on it :D
[07:26] <DanRabbit1> I'm just trying to solve some issues with the monochrome status stuff, and then I'll scale
[07:27] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: why does it have 5 signals? o.0
[07:27] <mac_v> shouldn it be 4?
[07:27] <DanRabbit1> Yea, but for the size and spacing and angle I wanted, I had to do 5
[07:27] <DanRabbit1> do you think it's a really bad idea :p ?
[07:28] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: hehe , yup , i'v already done one with correct scaling  , i'm not sure what you are talking about
[07:29] <DanRabbit1> done one what?
[07:29] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: oh long time ago , just a sec , let me find it... its a different style but can be done similar
[07:29] <DanRabbit1> Well, i wanted the bars to go up at a certain angle, and I wanted the bars to be a certain width, and I wanted the icon to have a certain width, and I couldn't satisfy that with 4 bars
[07:30] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-75.svg
[07:30] <mac_v> but angle? i dont notice any angle , they seem straight
[07:31] <mac_v> mine are a different width , than yours though
[07:32] <DanRabbit1> I mean the angle from the shortest bar to the tallest bar
[07:32] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-76.svg , just a quick edit to make it simialr to yours
[07:33] <DanRabbit1> I only see 1 bar :p
[07:33] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: oh its white , change the background
[07:33] <DanRabbit1> o lol
[07:34] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: whats your icon color?
[07:34] <mac_v> #
[07:34] <DanRabbit1> It's evolving right now
[07:34] <DanRabbit1> I'm about to change it
[07:34] <DanRabbit1> but currently, 717171ff
[07:35] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-77.svg
[07:36] <DanRabbit1> Yea, not the width or angle I want :D
[07:36] <mac_v> ;p
[07:36] <mac_v> you want 2px?
[07:37] <DanRabbit1> yea
[07:38] <DanRabbit1> It has to be approximately 15x15 pixels
[07:38] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-78.svg
[07:39] <DanRabbit1> and less spacing
[07:39] <DanRabbit1> and it won't work
[07:39] <DanRabbit1> I promise
[07:39] <DanRabbit1> you can't have the width I want and the spacing I want and the total width I want
[07:39] <DanRabbit1> they conflict
[07:39] <mac_v> yup , i'v got an idea
[07:39] <DanRabbit1> :p
[07:43] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-60.svg
[07:43] <DanRabbit1> oh, your smart as hell, aren't you ?
[07:43] <mac_v> very rough work ;)
[07:43] <DanRabbit1> that's very nice
[07:44] <DanRabbit1> damn, your good
[07:44] <DanRabbit1> could you do them all?
[07:44] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[07:44] <DanRabbit1> (because I'm lazy :D )
[07:44] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: no probs  , its easy once you have the idea :)
[07:44] <DanRabbit1> cool
[07:44] <mac_v> DanRabbit1:  changes you want?
[07:44] <mac_v> any*
[07:45] <mac_v> or color wise?
[07:45] <DanRabbit1> make the color whatever you think would be best for the default human theme
[07:45] <DanRabbit1> don't worry about dark panels or anything like that
[07:45] <DanRabbit1> I'm doing a branch for that
[07:47] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: using the same color as the rest is better , you were mentioning something earlier about changing the color?
[07:47] <DanRabbit1> Yea, I'm forking Humanity
[07:47] <DanRabbit1> one for light panels and one for dark panels
[07:48] <mac_v> i was saying this > <DanRabbit1> It's evolving right now
[07:48] <mac_v> [12:04] <DanRabbit1> I'm about to change it
[07:48] <mac_v> [12:04] <DanRabbit1> but currently, 717171ff
[07:48] <mac_v> or was that about the fork?
[07:48] <DanRabbit1> Yea, because that color is somewhere in the middle
[07:48] <DanRabbit1> I tried to find a color that would look good for both
[07:49] <DanRabbit1> but David is unhappy with the results
[07:49] <mac_v> very tough , to find middle ground  , the easiest way is to add a background to the present ,
[07:50] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: that way no probs with either panel
[07:50] <DanRabbit1> If you want to give it a go, feel free
[07:50] <DanRabbit1> otherwise, try 4D4D4Dff
[08:00] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: same color 717171ff but added a background http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-61.png
[08:01] <DanRabbit1> how's it look on white panels?
[08:03] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/inwhite.png
[08:04] <DanRabbit1> hmm
[08:04] <DanRabbit1> any way to get it a little brighter on the dark panel?
[08:07] <mac_v> in white panels, the background doesnt show ,
[08:07] <mac_v> the shade could be lighter  , just a sec
[08:09] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/black.png http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/newWhite.png
[08:11] <DanRabbit1> no too bad :)
[08:13] <DanRabbit1> Let's try those and see if that makes David happy :D
[08:14] <lamalex> DanRabbit1: are humanity icons going to be karmic's icons?
[08:14] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: which? do you think the color was wrong for with or for black?
[08:14] <DanRabbit1> I don't know
[08:14] <mac_v> white*
[08:15] <DanRabbit1> mac_v: Ideally it'd be brighter on black and darker on white :D
[08:15] <DanRabbit1> but, I think you've come the closest we're going to get
[08:15] <DanRabbit1> it looks good
[08:15] <DanRabbit1> lamalex: I'm pretty sure Neil said that they were going to be default in UNR
[08:15] <lamalex> sweet, congrats
[08:15] <lamalex> hope they make it into ubu proper
[08:15] <DanRabbit1> but David said that Mark didn't like them enough to have them go in Ubuntu yet
[08:16] <lamalex> would be a huge improvement
[08:16] <DanRabbit1> supposedly they'll be in the community themes package or whatever though
[08:16] <lamalex> Mark also wants vertically centered notification bubbles
[08:16] <lamalex> just sayin ;)
[08:16] <DanRabbit1> yea
[08:16] <DanRabbit1> lol
[08:16] <DanRabbit1> well
[08:16] <DanRabbit1> sometimes I think he needs to rethink how much he knows about UI design
[08:16] <DanRabbit1> no offense
[08:17] <lamalex> "just sayin"
[08:17] <mac_v> lamalex: i though he replied wanted to change it
[08:17] <mac_v> but just testing for a few more days
[08:17] <DanRabbit1> what I read was that he didn't really want to change it and he wanted to leave it until people really started complaining
[08:17] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: right ;)
[08:17] <DanRabbit1> not to be mean! not to be rude!
[08:17] <lamalex> yah, not the same thing as wanting to change it at all
[08:17] <DanRabbit1> I love Ubuntu
[08:17] <DanRabbit1> but
[08:18] <DanRabbit1> some people just don't have every talent in the world.
[08:18] <mac_v> hehe , dont worry there is so much hate for it he is bound to change it ;)
[08:18] <mac_v>  <DanRabbit1> sometimes I think he needs to rethink how much he knows about UI design , well said ;)
[08:19] <DanRabbit1> haha, I don't know if I want that line quoted :D
[08:19] <mac_v> lol , i hope irc log has some problem and keeps adding that to ayatana topic ;0
[08:20] <DanRabbit1> oh god...
[08:20] <DanRabbit1> anyhow!
[08:20] <mac_v> back to the icon
[08:20] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: you want it the darker for white? or the current color i showed is fine?
[08:21] <DanRabbit1> if you can get it darker, that'd be awesome
[08:21] <DanRabbit1> I really don't know how you're doing it
[08:22] <mac_v> hehe ;) i'm adding a back ground for each signal  , it told you this earlier for some other icon
[08:22] <DanRabbit1> might have been the battery
[08:22] <DanRabbit1> either way, I suck at that
[08:23]  * DanRabbit1 doesn't like admitting his faults, but he does anyways...
[08:24] <mac_v> oh yeah... it was for the battery
[08:32] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/new-white.png , http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/new-black.png
[08:34] <DanRabbit1> your old black one looked darker
[08:35] <DanRabbit1> I like the more contrast for the not-filled bar though
[08:35] <DanRabbit1> the white ones look like basically the same color
[08:35] <DanRabbit1> I meant to say the old black one was brighter :D
[08:37] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: hehe ;) , so which is better? hard to tell but gotta choose ;p
[08:38] <DanRabbit1> the last one before
[08:38] <DanRabbit1> 2nd to latest
[08:38] <mac_v> ok
[08:48] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: just to confirm , you want the full set with this color > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Final-black.png , http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Final-white.png
[08:49] <DanRabbit1> yep, looking sexy
[08:49] <mac_v> ok , :)
[10:42] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: ping , i'v got the icons ready :)
[11:32] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: just realized ,  there is something inherently wrong with nm applet and how it deals with icons!
[11:50] <tgpraveen1> hello what was the final decision taken on behaviour of notifications in full screen apps?
[13:17] <nocturn> Hi, I just found out that the new notification bubbles in the middle of the screen are a design choice and not a bug
[13:17] <nocturn> Anyone know the reasoning behind this move?
[17:14] <DanRabbit1> mac_v: ping
[17:17] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: nm has stupid coding! its uses only a part of the 22px grid , if anything is bigger it does some crappy scaling readjustment
[17:17] <DanRabbit1> Yea, that's lame
[17:17] <mac_v> that is why the icons are never clear!
[17:18] <DanRabbit1> I know that the battery and volume manager applet does some weird crappy scaling
[17:18] <mac_v> i'v figured it out for nm
[17:18] <DanRabbit1> Is it something we can easily fix?
[17:18] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: volume does no such scaling ,volume is perfect
[17:19] <DanRabbit1> I dunno, volume looks crappy for me :/
[17:19] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: yes we can workaround it...
[17:19] <mac_v> nm
[17:19] <DanRabbit1> I mean, do you think it'd be easy to push a fix to the applet upstream
[17:21] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: i'm not sure about that , we need to ask asac
[17:21] <mac_v> see the volume has no blurryness > http://imagebin.ca/view/RgUfsKq.html
[17:22] <DanRabbit1> try a horizontal panel really quick
[17:22] <mac_v> ah no... it rearranges the icons :(
[17:22] <mac_v> ok wait
[17:24] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: works fine with horizontal top panel
[17:24] <DanRabbit1> here let me take a screen of mine
[17:26] <DanRabbit1> http://elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot-1.png
[17:26] <DanRabbit1> sharp nm, blurry volume
[17:26] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://imagebin.ca/view/yx3p6R.html
[17:27] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: lol how did you get the nm sharp?
[17:27] <DanRabbit1> I did nothing :)
[17:27] <DanRabbit1> The only thing different here is the color
[17:27] <mac_v> weird , it works the opposite for me!
[17:27] <DanRabbit1> btw, can I have your new nm icons?
[17:27] <mac_v> nm blurry , volume sharp
[17:30] <mac_v> just a sec
[17:34] <mac_v> damn! everything is so slow! , give me a min
[17:35] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm.tar
[17:36] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: got it, screenshot ? stupid thing doesnt show up properly for me :(
[17:36] <DanRabbit1> wait, what?
[17:38] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: i wonder the blurring is a notification area bug , for me the one on the left is blurry and so is for you , i dont think it has to do with the nm/volumeapplet
[17:38] <DanRabbit1> it's possible that it's about placement
[17:40] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: to test do a $pulseaudio -k
[17:40] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: wait
[17:41] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: first test the icon theme with the nm icons , see how it works , take a screenshot , then $pulseaudio -k
[17:43] <DanRabbit1> okay
[17:43] <DanRabbit1> give me a second
[17:44] <DanRabbit1> okay, it looks good
[17:44] <DanRabbit1> I've got a clear nm-applet still
[17:45] <mac_v> let me see :)
[17:46] <DanRabbit1> hmm
[17:46] <DanRabbit1> pulseaudio -k did nothing for me
[17:46] <mac_v> didnt the audio icon switch?
[17:46] <DanRabbit1> no
[17:47] <mac_v> then do $killall pulseaudio
[17:47] <mac_v> are you on jaunty or karmic?
[17:47] <DanRabbit1> jaunty
[17:47] <mac_v> hehe!
[17:47] <DanRabbit1> last time I tried Karmic it 'sploded my computer
[17:48] <mac_v> thats the old volume applet in jaunty.
[17:48] <DanRabbit1> http://elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot.png
[17:48] <DanRabbit1> see pretty :D
[17:48] <mac_v> do you dual boot?
[17:48] <DanRabbit1> OSX and Jaunty
[17:48] <hyperair> oho, that looks nice.
[17:49] <mac_v> damn it! i cant use my own icon!
[17:50] <DanRabbit1> mac_v: you've pretty much succeeded at making it look sexy on dark and light panels
[17:50] <mac_v> :)
[17:50] <mac_v> hmm , DanRabbit1  try to remove the the volume applet or move ti to the left
[17:51] <mac_v> it*
[17:51] <DanRabbit1> I did, it doesn't change
[17:51] <DanRabbit1> I moved it all over the place :)
[17:51] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: oh then there the applet bug is solved in karmic ;)
[17:51] <mac_v> volume *
[17:52] <DanRabbit1> hah
[17:52] <DanRabbit1> Maybe, I'll try to upgrade again
[17:52] <DanRabbit1> Do you know offhand if they support Intel GMA now?
[17:52] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: solved because that applet has been deprecated and removed ;p
[17:52] <DanRabbit1> lol
[17:53] <mac_v> nope don know about GMA
[17:53] <DanRabbit1> hehe
[17:53] <DanRabbit1> mac_v: are you Robert Dryer?
[17:53] <mac_v> who's he ? o.0
[17:53] <DanRabbit1> okay nvm
[17:54] <DanRabbit1> lol
[17:54] <DanRabbit1> I want to put your name in special thanks in the AUTHORS file
[17:55] <mac_v> you knwo where i'm from does that name sound even remotely similar ;p
[17:55] <DanRabbit1> haha, you never know.
[17:56] <mac_v> PM ->
[17:56] <DanRabbit1> :D
[17:57] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: keep the screenshot , might be handly when we report the bug
[17:58] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: silly question , but just to check , did you unlock the notification area before you moved the volume applet?
[17:58] <DanRabbit1> yes sir :D
[17:58] <DanRabbit1> I tried locked and unlocked
[17:59] <mac_v> :(\
[18:00]  * mac_v adds another bug in his todo list
[18:01] <DanRabbit1> haha
[19:12] <DanRabbit> mac_v: any ideas for a wired icon?
[19:13]  * mac_v checks the present one
[19:18] <mac_v> DanRabbit: what have you got so far?
[19:19] <DanRabbit> nothing :D
[19:19] <DanRabbit> I have some errands to run though, so I'm out for a while :D
[19:19] <DanRabbit> check out BZR, I changed the inactive color a little so It'd be more clear on a dark panel.
[19:20] <DanRabbit> also, I applied the color changes to the battery and volume and messaging applets
[19:31] <mac_v> nice ;) , works both ways
[19:31] <mac_v> DanRabbit: booo > "I don't think these icons are confusing taken in context. " ;p
[19:35] <DanRabbit> haha
[19:35] <DanRabbit> you think the sidebar icons are bad?
[19:37] <DanRabbit> mac_v: ^
[19:37] <mac_v> DanRabbit: i think they *will* confuse users :( , thats why with breathe we change the 16px
[19:37] <mac_v> previously we did it similar
[19:37] <mac_v> then we changed it
[19:38] <mac_v> DanRabbit: the icons should represent themselves and not supposed to be taken from the context of the menu they are in
[19:38] <DanRabbit> I've never heard anyone complain about how finder does it :D
[19:39] <mac_v> DanRabbit: you and david are tooo influenced by OSX
[19:39] <mac_v> ;p
[19:39] <DanRabbit> haha
[19:40] <DanRabbit> it's a very pretty operating system
[19:40] <DanRabbit> we both dual boot :D
[19:40] <mac_v> OSX , does do several things right , but not all
[19:40] <DanRabbit> I agree
[19:41] <DanRabbit> otherwise, I wouldn't be here
[19:41] <DanRabbit> :p
[19:41] <mac_v> as i said the icons should be able to convey the meaning by itself and for users who are familiar with only Windows , it would be confusing
[19:42] <DanRabbit> oh god don't get me started on windows
[19:42] <mac_v> hehe... ok pls dont get me started too
[19:42] <DanRabbit> Ubuntu, Mac OS, computing in general is going to be difficult for a Windows user
[19:43] <DanRabbit> I don't gauge things by how a Windows user would see it
[19:43] <DanRabbit> otherwise you'd end up all ass-backwards
[19:43] <mac_v> i dont think the windows to ubuntu migration is very difficult , i'v seen several take to it very quickly
[19:43] <DanRabbit> I work with the hope that one day my mom will use a computer
[19:48] <SiDi> mac_v: users coming from windows find EVERYTHING confusing
[19:48] <SiDi> especially good design since they're not used to it
[19:48]  * SiDi hides
[19:48] <mac_v> SiDi: lol
[19:52]  * mac_v  thinks Penn&Teller should make a show about Windows
[19:54] <mrooney> hello everyone
[19:59]  * SiDi waves at mrooney
[20:04] <mac_v> DanRabbit: how about using the icon firefox , thunderird , evolution use for connect and disconnect ?
[20:04] <mac_v> for wired^
[20:05] <DanRabbit> what icon is that?
[20:06]  * DanRabbit doesn't use firefox, thunderbird, or evolution
[20:06] <mac_v> just open evolution , its the one of 2 plugs connected , at the bottom left
[20:07] <DanRabbit> oh
[20:07] <DanRabbit> mac_v: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30986417/volume-nm-icons.png
[20:07] <DanRabbit> both are sharp
[20:08] <mac_v> in which? karmic or jaunty?
[20:08] <mac_v> what theme?
[20:08] <mac_v> gtk
[20:10] <DanRabbit> skiki
[20:10] <mac_v> DanRabbit: transparency for the inactive should be even lesser , especially for the dark themes
[20:11] <DanRabbit> mmkay
[20:11] <DanRabbit> I'm off to run errands :D
[20:11] <DanRabbit> let me know if you come up with something better
[20:12] <mac_v> nothing more than that :) , only thing i would adjust would be the transparency
[20:59] <mac_v> DanRabbit: hmm... did you check the volume/nm icon from the ~/.icons folder or from /usr/share/ ? i think that makes a difference :(
[21:00] <mac_v> i'v now moved the same icons to the usr/share and i too dont see blurriness
[21:12] <dashua> mac_v, DanRabbit Can you change indicator applet as well in Humanity to the scale you did the volume and nm-applet icons?
[21:12] <dashua> Shades are much better, just can't see the connection animation
[21:13] <mac_v> dashua: yeah i think the i-a needs to be done
[21:13] <mac_v> dashua: which connection animation?
[21:13] <mac_v> the firefox like one?
[21:13] <dashua> Spinner
[21:13] <dashua> Yeah
[21:14] <dashua> A grey scale one would be cool like the other two you did.
[21:15] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/23217/screenshot_006_56N9y1.png
[21:15] <dashua> That looks much better
[21:16] <mac_v> hehe , i have an idea for that ;) but havent mentioned to DanRabbit yet, because he has already done the connection animation :)
[21:16] <dashua> Ah ok
[21:17] <dashua> Breathe should inherit this panel icons.  They're awesome.
[21:17] <dashua> these*
[21:18] <dashua> mac_v, indicator-applet-sus broken for you?
[21:18] <dashua> I have no icon on any set.
[21:18] <mac_v> dashua: yup , no icon , known issue , already fixed upstream
[21:18] <dashua> Ah cool
[21:19] <mac_v> dashua: hehe mention the panels to cory ;p
[21:19] <dashua> I will.  They just add a professional feel to Breathe.
[21:19] <dashua> Nice work
[21:21] <mac_v> dashua: thanks... actually all i did was edit the colors , and make an nm icon set to fit the theme , basically it was DanRabbit
[21:21] <mac_v> idea
[21:21] <dashua> Nice work to you both :)
[21:24] <mac_v> dashua: Cory would probably kill me , why i didnt do this for breathe ;p
[21:24] <dashua> Hehe.  You better run and hide when I make the suggestion.  I just have Breathe inherit Humanity instead of Human
[21:25] <mac_v> i'm using humanity inherits too ;)


[00:01] <kirkland> kees: other ports seem okay
[00:02] <kees> kirkland: dunno man.
[00:02] <kirkland> kees: okey doke, thanks
[00:02] <kees> doesn't sounds like a network problem.
[00:02] <RainCT> Hi
[00:02] <kirkland> kees: i'm going to dig deeper on the iscsi target end
[00:02] <RainCT>  I want to import (and sync from time to time) an user database from some sort of management system to an Ubuntu server and have some of those users have access to different stuff (like FTP/WebDAV to certain directories, etc.). Is there already some (easy to use) system to handle this or would it be better to just create a set of scripts for this myself?
[00:02]  * kees nods
[00:02] <kirkland> kees: there might be some crazy network acl that i'm missing
[00:06] <mathiaz> RainCT: it depends on what do you mean by "some sort of management system"
[00:08] <RainCT> mathiaz: Well, I don't really know yet what it is, but it has data about people which can be exported (to CVS or something like that, probably).
[00:08] <RainCT> it's some management software that they use at my school
[00:32] <kirkland> kees: okay, so i've made some marginal progress
[00:32] <kirkland> kees: looks like an iscsid needs to be running on the initiator
[00:34] <kees> kirkland: ah-ha
[00:34] <kirkland> kees: and i need to generate a unique iscsi iname
[00:34] <kees> uuid ftw
[00:34] <kirkland> kees: gotta manually do the init script bits, as the udeb doesn't have one
[00:35] <kirkland> btw, nano sucks
[00:36] <kirkland> voila!!!!!
[00:36] <kees> maybe add uuid-runtime udeb?
[00:36] <kirkland> kees: nah, there's an iscsi-iname
[00:36] <kirkland> kees: gotta write that to an /etc file
[00:36]  * RainCT refrains from saying "nano rocks" ;P
[00:36] <kirkland> kees: then start iscsid
[00:36] <kirkland> kees: then run the discovery
[01:27] <kirkland> kees: i've got ;-)
[01:27] <kirkland> kees: it's mostly complications on the iscsi server (target) end
[01:51] <kees> kirkland: cool, great :)
[01:55] <nxvl> nijaba: are you in SF?
[01:57] <zul> kirkland: nano is your friend
[01:58] <nxvl> zul: why if you have vi?
[02:04] <mathiaz> nxvl: not yet - only next week IIRC
[02:05] <mathiaz> nxvl: re - your nijaba question
[02:05] <nxvl> :D
[02:05] <nxvl> mathiaz: thanx
[02:05] <nxvl> mathiaz: did you got my e-mail?
[02:07] <mathiaz> nxvl: which one ?
[02:07] <nxvl> mathiaz: about Config-Model
[02:09] <mathiaz> nxvl: yes
[02:09] <mathiaz> nxvl: do you have problem sending emails ?
[02:09] <nxvl> nop
[02:09] <nxvl> but all of you canonical employes are so busy that sometimes it takes 4 days until you read a mail
[02:10] <stickystyle> Can anyone recommend a vacation auto-reponder script that users could easily configure (like via a web interface)?  I have been using a program called 'vacation' which works fine, but it sucks since I have to set it up and tear it down myself for each user when they want it.
[02:10] <nxvl> and as i see that you didn't mention it on the meeting yesterday i was making sure
[02:10] <nxvl> :D
[02:13] <Sp0tter> anyone run ubuntu server from an SD card on a laptop?
[02:13] <nxvl> Sp0tter: is it possible?
[02:14] <Sp0tter> I'm pretty sure its possible
[02:14] <Sp0tter> I'm curious if it works well
[05:10] <yell0w> jdstrand: are you there ?
[05:11] <yell0w> jdstrand: something's very wrong with ufw
[05:54] <ScottK> yell0w: I think it's pretty well the middle of the night for him.  I'd suggest file a bug.
[05:58] <yell0w> ScottK: it is for me to, i'll wait for him tomorrow or file a bug tomorrow whichever comes first :)
[08:45] <kraut> moin
[09:46]  * rgl waves
[09:49] <edmoore> If I'm about to spend $500 on building a headless server box, and am new to this kind of thing, are there any pitfalls I should know? Any annoying compatibility issues? It's a general server for some basic web serving, running sims (which could keep one core busy for several days at a time), storing some research work (so software raid 1) and generally being a useful box in the corner for a small research group.
[10:36] <juris> I have kernel panic. I am using LILO (yes, LILO). I am newbie in Linux things. How Can I get back  GRUB loader? Is it possible with rescue broken system option?
[10:42] <juris> bump :)
[12:09] <jdstrand> yell0w: what's the problem?
[15:07] <edmoore> just reposting my question of this morning (unhelpful timezones, y'see): If I'm about to spend $500 on building a headless server box, and am new to this kind of thing, are there any pitfalls I should know? Any annoying compatibility issues? It's a general server for some basic web serving, running sims (which could keep one core busy for several days at a time), storing some research work (so software raid 1) and generally being a usef
[15:07] <edmoore> + any advice on the price sweetspots of various components that will sum to $500 would be much appreciated too
[15:12] <ScottK> Use Google (or your favorite equivalent) and check your compononents (motherboard chipset primarily for a server) to see that people report success with it.
[15:12] <lukehasnoname> 250GB HD, dvd rom, $40 case (Coolermaster), 350-450W PSU (from Antec, Thermaltake, Corsair), AMD dual core proc ($100), $60-$80 mobo from Gigabyte or Biostar
[15:12] <ScottK> Personally I have a lot of luck with Intel motherboards and processors, but they aren't the cheapest.
[15:12] <lukehasnoname> >_>
[15:13] <lukehasnoname> edmoore: Are you going to need a lot of data storage?
[15:16] <edmoore> lukehasnoname: not particularly - I was thinking of a pair of 250GB for the raid1
[15:16] <edmoore> and intel, yeah
[15:17] <edmoore> whatever dual core $100 gets me
[15:19] <kaushal> hi
[15:19] <kaushal> how can i install packages from CD
[15:20] <kaushal> I did
[15:20] <kaushal> apt-cdrom add
[15:20] <kaushal> aptitude update
[15:20] <kaushal> aptitude install fluxbox slim
[15:20] <kaushal> basically all the packages are in /mnt/cdrom/pool/main
[15:21] <kaushal> I have installed Ubuntu 8.04
[15:21] <kaushal> Server Edition
[15:25] <kaushal> anybody awake here
[15:27] <emgent> heya
[15:28] <_ruben> why install fluxbox on a server?
[15:29] <lukehasnoname> some people want a gui
[15:29] <kaushal> _ruben, ok
[15:29] <kaushal> Basically I have all the packages under /mnt/cdrom/pool/main
[15:29] <_ruben> lukehasnoname: thats a fact, the question is why ;)
[15:29] <kaushal> How can i install it
[15:30] <sommer> kaushal: fluxbox is in universe... and I'll bet not on the cdrom
[15:30] <_ruben> kaushal: yyou already mentioned the proper commands .. tho thats assuming you are root, which you probably arent, so you need to put 'sudo' in front of those commands
[15:31] <kaushal> I have logged in as root
[15:31] <lukehasnoname> edmoore: it can be done in $500. GSkill 4GB ram, 2x250 GB seagate drives, Lite-on dvd burner, Coolermaster Eilite 330 case, Antec Earthwatts 380w psu, (AMD 5400+ 2.8 GHz) or (Intel E2220) and a motherboard.
[15:32] <_ruben> $500 for server-grade hardware is kinda pushing it though ;)
[15:36] <lukehasnoname> psh, I just gave you the list. You aren't going to be running redundant PSUs with octocore 32GB blades here.
[16:32] <lukehasnoname> I think the virtualisation area of the server guide should move "Virtual Networking" below "installation"
[16:37] <sommer> lukehasnoname: ya, I thought that myself, but if you setup a bridge then run virt-install the vm will automagically use the bridge... so there's advantage to having it above
[16:47] <sommer> foolano: at uds prague you mentioned a drink of wine and coke, but I forgot the name?
[16:48] <zul> disgusting
[16:48] <zul> thats what its name
[16:49] <sommer> zul: no, it was a spanish type name... and it's actually quite good, especially with cheap wine, heh :)
[16:53] <Fenix|work> Greetings!
[16:53] <Fenix|work> Quick question on Apache
[16:53] <Fenix|work> I've noticed theres an apache.conf and a blank httpd.conf
[16:54] <Fenix|work> Do I make custom changes in httpd.conf
[16:54] <Fenix|work> or in apache.conf
[16:54] <sommer> Fenix|work: depending on the change, usually the best place is /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[16:55] <Fenix|work> what happens when apache gets updated?  does default remain the same?
[16:55] <sommer> Fenix|work: that way you can configure multiple vhosts seperately
[16:55] <sommer> Fenix|work: it should ask you if you want to overwrite the config or not
[16:55] <Fenix|work> alright... I'm just trying to wrap my head around some of these changes
[16:56] <Fenix|work> another admin at another site uses centos and gave me an httpd.conf to use, so I'm trying to ubuntu-ify it
[16:58] <sommer> Fenix|work: you'll probably want to focus on any <VitrualHost> settings and migrate those to the <VirtualHost> in the sites-available/default file
[17:03] <Fenix|work> Ok.  I can stick things like ServerTokens and such in there.
[17:30] <edmoore> lukehasnoname: appologies for not thanking you earlier - got sidetracked at work (y'know how it is!). Thanks very much for your suggestion, it looks about perfect
[17:32] <edmoore> however I might s/Coolermaster/antec sonata III
[17:32] <edmoore> as during the move to new labs it's going to be in my room for several months, and fan whir isn't my thing!
[18:19] <Eudoxus> how do I add the mod_rewrite module to my current php installation?
[18:19] <Eudoxus> and then restart php to apply it?
[18:20] <Eudoxus> yes I'm on Ubuntu
[18:20] <sommer> Eudoxus: do you mean apache mod_rewrite?  if so do: sudo a2enmod rewrite; sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[18:21] <Eudoxus> yeah sorry apache
[18:22] <Eudoxus> sommer, THANKS!
[18:22] <sommer> Eudoxus: np
[18:27] <foolano> hey sommer
[18:27] <foolano> calimocho
[18:28] <foolano> calimocho is the name of that spanish drink
[18:28] <sommer> foolano: awesome!  thanks man
[18:28] <foolano> and zul: it's not disgusting :P
[18:28] <sommer> heh, party!
[18:32] <foolano> sommer: remember, the worse the wine, the better
[18:34] <sommer> foolano: hehehe... ya what made me think of it is the $3 bottle of red wine I picked up from walmart on impulse the other day, so that should be covered :)
[18:36] <foolano> sommer: dude that's perfect. that's the real mccoy :P
[18:44] <Kaushal> hi
[18:44] <Kaushal> I have installed Ubuntu 8.04 Server Edition on my system
[18:45] <Kaushal> After the installation I found that most of the packages were not installed
[18:45] <Kaushal> I did mount /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom
[18:46] <Kaushal> and then cd /mnt/cdrom/pool/main and found that in the directory all the packages
[18:46] <Kaushal> How can i install these packages on to my system
[18:48] <Bnydell> hello everyone.  I recently moved my server to a differnt area in my office and the internet will not connect. Before it was working perfect.
[18:49] <sommer> Kaushal: probably sudo apt-cdrom add; sudo apt-get install package_name
[18:50] <Kaushal> sommer, ok
[18:51] <Kaushal> In that case I have to issue several same command to install all the packages
[18:52] <Kaushal> is there any better method to install all the packages which are found in /mnt/cdrom/pool/main
[18:52] <sommer> Kaushal: not that I know of... I actually don't think it's possible to install all the packages on one machine, due to conflicts and such
[18:53] <sommer> Kaushal: what are you trying to accomplish?
[18:54] <Kaushal> sommer, For example I found that gcc package was missing after installing Ubuntu 8.04 Server Edition
[18:54] <Kaushal> so like there are several packages missing
[18:55] <sommer> Kaushal: right, I'd just install what you need as you need it :)
[18:56] <Kaushal> sommer, so how can i achieve to install the missing packages
[18:56] <sommer> Kaushal: to get most of the gcc, make, etc type packages try installing build-essential... should grab most of the dependencies your looking for
[18:57] <Kaushal> sommer, is it sudo apt-get install build-essential
[18:57] <Bnydell> sudo apt-get update is not working.  I have pluged in my ethernet cable which is connected to the computer but it fails trying to connect to the site to get the updates
[18:57] <sommer> Kaushal: that should work
[18:58] <Kaushal> and what about other missing packages
[18:58] <sommer> Bnydell: do you have an ip addresss, ifconfig should tell you.  also, can you ping anything
[18:59] <Kaushal> Its nearly impossible to find out what has been installed and what not been installed
[18:59] <Bnydell> i just restarted the system.  Let me load up and i will let you know
[18:59] <sommer> Kaushal: which missing packages? the gcc dependencies?
[18:59] <Kaushal> sommer, I gave as an example
[18:59] <sommer> Kaushal: dpkg -l will list all the packages installed
[18:59] <sommer> Kaushal: ubuntu server takes a minimalist approach to what packages get installed
[19:00] <Bnydell> sommer: it doest seem to have an IP. it has inet addr: <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:00] <Bnydell> also i tried to ping google and i got nothing
[19:01] <sommer> Bnydell: does the cable work and what not.... link light, etc
[19:01] <sommer> Bnydell: you might also check /var/log/syslog for any errors
[19:01] <Bnydell> yes the cable works.  also the light does blink on back of computer saying stuff is going through
[19:02] <sommer> Bnydell: try /etc/init.d/network restart and see if it gives you any clues
[19:03] <Bnydell> ok im using the same ethernet cord so let me plug it into server and do the testing.  I will let you know what i get.
[19:04] <Bnydell> -bash: cd: /etc/init.d/network: no such file or directory
[19:04] <sommer> Bnydell: woops.. sudo /etc/init.d/networking
[19:05] <Bnydell> ok so: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[19:05] <Bnydell> or without restart
[19:05] <Kaushal> Bnydell, yes
[19:05] <Bnydell> ok
[19:05] <Kaushal> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[19:06] <Bnydell> ok, i did the command. and got * Reconfiguring network interfaces [ OK ].
[19:06] <Bnydell> i then tried: ping google.com
[19:06] <Kaushal> sommer, whats the purpose of sudo apt-get install build-essential
[19:07] <ivoks> Kaushal: get the essential stuff for compiling
[19:07] <Kaushal> ivoks, compiling means using to compile the c program
[19:08] <Kaushal> ivoks, if u can give me example
[19:08] <ivoks> compiling = convert human readable code into machine code (aka program)
[19:09] <Kaushal> ok
[19:09] <ivoks> mathiaz: ping
[19:10] <Bnydell> kaushal: I did what you mentioned but i still have no IP
[19:10] <Kaushal> ivoks, so i have to install manually every package which are there under /mnt/cdrom/pool/main
[19:11] <Bnydell> ops i ment sommer.  I did what you mentioned.  no IP still
[19:11] <ivoks> Kaushal: no, just run 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[19:11] <ivoks> it will download packages from the internet
[19:12] <ivoks> Bnydell: paste your /etc/network/interfaces at pastebin.ubuntu.com
[19:12] <Kaushal> ivoks, i understood that
[19:12] <Kaushal> but what about packages which are located under /mnt/cdrom/pool/main
[19:13] <Kaushal> I mean there are 100's of packages
[19:13] <ivoks> that's ubuntu cd?
[19:13] <Kaushal> yeah
[19:13] <ivoks> why would you mount it?
[19:13] <ivoks> add it with apt-cdrom
[19:14] <Bnydell> ivoks: how can i connect to /etc/network/interfaces
[19:14] <ivoks> and, if there's a package on cdrom, it will download from cd, not the internet
[19:14] <ivoks> Bnydell: cat /etc/network/interfaces
[19:14] <ivoks> Bnydell: that's a file, you can't connect to it, you can open it
[19:15] <ivoks> on unix, everything is a file
[19:15] <ivoks> even your cdrom is a file
[19:15] <ivoks> so, you can cat your cdrom into an iso image
[19:15] <ivoks> or cat your serial port to get communication with serial port
[19:16] <ivoks> posibilites are endless
[19:17] <sommer> Kaushal: we may be able to help you better by knowing what services your server is going to serve?  you might also take a look at the serverguide: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[19:17] <Bnydell> ivoks, ok i pasted it there, now what do i do.  i pressed paste! and at the top got Paste from Brandon at Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:16:15 +0100
[19:17] <ivoks> Bnydell: give us the link
[19:18] <Bnydell> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/32687/plain/
[19:18] <mathiaz> ivoks: hello - how are you doing today ?
[19:18] <ivoks> mathiaz: is this an answering machine or a person? :)
[19:18] <ivoks> Bnydell: so, what are you expeting to get with this kind of network setup? (no network?)
[19:19] <ivoks> mathiaz: are there plans to 'backport' some changes kirkland is doing with status in init scripts to hardy?
[19:19] <mathiaz> ivoks: it's a real human being typing at the keyboard ? tu ne me crois pas ?
[19:19] <Bnydell> what do you mean. I am trying to get this computer connected to internet so i can use update it and install packages with the apt-get
[19:19] <mathiaz> ivoks: there were some discussion about pushing stuff back to -backports
[19:20] <ivoks> mathiaz: as i can see, there are two cases
[19:20] <mathiaz> ivoks: I don't think we could make it into -updates as SRUs though
[19:20] <mathiaz> ivoks: most of the patches rely on proc_status in the lsb package
[19:20] <ivoks> mathiaz: one is where we have to update LSB - i don't thnik that's going to happen in stable release
[19:20] <mathiaz> ivoks: nope - it didn't happen in the dev cycle
[19:20] <ivoks> mathiaz: right, and the other, like apache, is just a change in init script
[19:21] <sommer> Bnydell: try adding something like this at the bottom of the /etc/network/interfaces file: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/32689/
[19:21] <mathiaz> ivoks: well - that would be hard to justify under a SRU
[19:21] <ivoks> since cluster suite depends on 'status' from init script, we actualy, can't use rhcs with apache now in 8.04
[19:21] <sommer> Bnydell: then restart networking with sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[19:22] <Bnydell> sommer: ok, thanks.  let me give this a go. I will let you know what happens
[19:22] <ivoks> mathiaz: bug #250847
[19:22] <mathiaz> ivoks: right - we may able to fit it under the following critiria: Bugs which do not fit under above categories, but (1) have an obviously safe patch and (2) affect an application rather than critical infrastructure packages
[19:22] <ivoks> right
[19:22] <Bnydell> sommer: how exactly do you edit this file :)
[19:22] <mathiaz> ivoks: taken https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[19:23] <sommer> Bnydell: with your favorite editor :-)
[19:23] <ivoks> mathiaz: yeah, i've read it and i'm willing to talk with sru team about it
[19:23] <Bnydell> well i mean how do i edit it on the server.  i do not know the command to open it
[19:23] <ivoks> mathiaz: i'm talking about apache only...
[19:23] <sommer> Bnydell: try sudo nano -w /etc/network/interfaces
[19:24] <sommer> Bnydell: nano is a pretty simple terminal editor
[19:24] <Bnydell> sommer: the first command you gave me worked.  thanks
[19:24] <mathiaz> ivoks: yeah - I think if you have the patch (as the one mentionned in the bug) you've got a better chance with the sru team
[19:24] <mathiaz> ivoks: or even prepare a debdiff so that it's easy to review
[19:24] <mathiaz> ivoks: point being: have some working code/patch to present while talking with the SRU team
[19:25] <ivoks> i will, but i need to report a new bug, since this one is about rhcs
[19:25] <mathiaz> ivoks: isn't there a bug for apache2 wrt to the init status script spec ?
[19:25] <ivoks> i didn't check yet
[19:26] <mathiaz> ivoks: bug 203169
[19:27] <ivoks> hah, nice :)
[19:27] <mathiaz> ivoks: hm - it shouldn't be used actually
[19:27] <mathiaz> ivoks: as pointed out at the end of the bug
[19:27] <ivoks> right
[19:28] <mathiaz> ivoks: so yes - file a new bug, attach a debdiff, nominate for hardy and ask the sru team their opinion
[19:28] <mathiaz> ivoks: refer to the case of rhcs to show that it's useful to fix
[19:29] <mathiaz> ivoks: basicaly follow the procedure outlined in the StableReleaseUpdate wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[19:29] <ivoks> that's why i asked, i think it complies with requirements of SRU
[19:29] <Bnydell> sommer: i just resarted it and did ifconfig and i still dont see an ip.
[19:30] <Bnydell> I also tried: ping google.com and got unknown host google.com
[19:30] <mathiaz> ivoks: well - it's a border case that may need to be argued for
[19:30] <sommer> Bnydell: do you have dhcp on your network?
[19:31] <sommer> Bnydell: if not you'll need to configure a static IP, so you'll need to know the IP of your gateway
[19:31] <Bnydell> sommer. I just reformated today, but before i reformated it was working untill i moved the server to a different area in my office.
[19:33] <sommer> Bnydell: were you using a static IP before?
[19:33] <Bnydell> sommer. no
[19:34] <sommer> Bnydell: try dmesg | grep -i net and pastebin the output
[19:34] <Bnydell> sommer: it was there already right after reformated.  but this last time i reformated it wouldnt connect to internet at all.
[19:35] <ivoks> Bnydell: you don't have dhcp server on your netowrk
[19:35] <ivoks> Bnydell: that problem doesn't have anything to do with your server
[19:35] <ivoks> Bnydell: if you don't have dhcp (dynamic IP) server, you have to set up an IP by your self
[19:35] <ivoks> not just an IP, but whole network configuratio
[19:36] <Bnydell> ivoks: im pretty sure i had a dynamic ip before i reformated.  I could even connect to it through ssh untill i moved the server somewhere els in the office and then i moved it back and it still didnt work
[19:37] <Bnydell> I didnt ever set a static IP.
[19:37] <ivoks> maybe you didn't connect ethernet cable
[19:37] <Bnydell> let me retry
[19:38] <Bnydell> I just reconnected ethernet and tried again and no luck.
[19:39] <ivoks> paste 10 last lines from output of 'dmesg' command
[19:39] <ivoks> on pastebin.ubuntu.com
[19:39] <Bnydell> ok,  I will need to type it all out.
[19:39] <ivoks> ok, right...
[19:39] <Bnydell> hold on while i do that.
[19:39] <ivoks> then don't do it
[19:40] <ivoks> look for lines mentioning eth0: link is down
[19:40] <ivoks> or something like that
[19:41] <Bnydell> ok etho0 is mentioned two times: (1) eth0: link is not ready (2) eth0: link becomes ready
[19:42] <ivoks> nice
[19:42] <ivoks> now run 'sudo dhclient eth0'
[19:42] <Bnydell> ok let me do that.
[19:45] <Bnydell> ok it finished.  do you want me to type what it says on ubuntu paste
[19:45] <ivoks> no
[19:45] <ivoks> did you get an ip?
[19:45] <Bnydell> you mean type ifconfig and look for it.  if your talking about the output of the command i just did there is nothing that resembles an ip
[19:46] <ivoks> just couple of <IP_ADDRESS>?
[19:46] <sommer> Bnydell: do you have another device on your network providing dhcp?  such as a firewall or wireless access point?
[19:47] <Bnydell> yes there is 6 lines of that 255 stuff
[19:48] <Bnydell> sommer: at our office we just plug in ethernet and you get internet. I am not the one who set up the network at the office so i do not exactly know how its setup.
[19:49] <sommer> Bnydell: okay, well you've configured your server for dhcp and if you're not getting an ip address, there could be something wrong with whatever is handing out IPs on your network
[19:49] <Bnydell> ivoks: right below the 6 lines of <IP_ADDRESS> stuff it says: No DHCPOFFERS received. and below that is says No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[19:49] <sommer> Bnydell: at this point you may want to ask whoever setup your network for some help
[19:50] <Bnydell> sommer: i do not belive there is something wrong with it, as it was workin earlyer today and i did not mess with it.  Would setting a static IP let me connect to ineternet?
[19:50] <sommer> Bnydell: yes, but you'll need to know the settings dns, gateway, netmask, etc
[19:51] <sommer> Bnydell: just because *you* didn't mess with it doesn't mean a problem doesn't exist :)
[19:51] <ivoks> Bnydell: i put my money on your broken network
[19:52] <sommer> Bnydell: and since dmesg has found eth0 and says it's ready for connection, there doesn't seem to be any issues with your server hardware
[19:52] <ivoks> i hate nano
[19:52] <Bnydell> heh, i know. The person who set it up does not work here anymore. how exactly do i set a static IP. i wil give that a go.
[19:52] <sommer> ivoks: yep, me too
[19:52] <jdstrand> me three
[19:53] <ivoks> uh, oh
[19:53] <ivoks> apache2 source doesn't build-depend on dpatch
[19:53] <ivoks> hm, it does...
[19:53] <ivoks> odd
[19:55] <sommer> Bnydell: here's an example of a static /etc/network/interfaces: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32697/
[19:55] <sommer> Bnydell: you'll need to change the address, netmask, and gateway to match your network though
[19:55] <Bnydell> ok thanks. I wil give that a try
[20:00] <ivoks> sommer: you are missing a dns here
[20:01] <ivoks> dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:03] <emgent> soren: Bug #223759 it`snt really fixxed in intrepid.
[20:26] <edmoore|away> can I use server for desktop useage too? what would stop me? what would I miss?
[20:27] <_ruben> its possible, wouldnt know why tho
[20:28] <edmoore|away> well, got a server box, quite powerful, got virtual box, would like to run a cad program I have
[20:28] <edmoore|away> ther server hardware is much better than my laptop
[20:29] <ivoks> server os or server hardware?
[20:29] <edmoore|away> server os, commodity hardware
[20:29] <ivoks> kernel would be a problem
[20:30] <edmoore|away> how does it differ?
[20:30] <ivoks> otherwise, desktop and server have exatcly the same packages
[20:30] <ivoks> it's not very shiny for multimedia
[20:31] <edmoore|away> I'll have a play - if it's good enough then that's good enough
[20:32] <edmoore|away> thanks for the advice
[20:33] <ivoks> np
[20:34] <ivoks> nijaba: what's with those WP?
[20:35] <nijaba> ivoks: what do you mean?
[20:36] <ivoks> for a review, we've talked about WP at the meeting
[20:36] <ivoks> are they ready for review?
[20:36] <nijaba> ivoks: yes
[20:36] <nijaba> ivoks: one is ready, do you want me to send it to you?
[20:36] <ivoks> yes! :)
[20:36] <sommer> ivoks: are you sure you're ready? :)
[20:37] <ivoks> sommer: one can never be sure about those things
[20:37] <ivoks> but i'm willing to try ;)
[20:37] <sommer> hehehe true
[20:38] <ivoks> i hate mosquitos...
[20:39] <nijaba> ivoks: sent to your init.hr address
[20:40] <ivoks> thanks
[21:16] <ivoks> nijaba: nothing about mysql? :D
[21:18] <nijaba> ivoks: I have the technical part of the mysql one, but it still needs some love
[21:18] <ivoks> ok
[21:18] <nijaba> ivoks: before the end of the month though
[21:19] <ivoks> that's in 2 hours :D
[21:20] <nijaba> ivoks: ok, I meant aug ;)
[22:00] <kirkland> chuck_: is this zul?
[22:04] <chuck_> kirkland: indeed
[22:05] <kirkland> zul: ah, okay, i was going to ask you about sponsoring my samba init script change, but it looks like infinity is taking the bait ;-)
[22:06] <zul> kirkland: coolio


[01:22] <zacmario> hello lubuntu devs, thanks for your great work
[01:23] <zacmario> i'm experincing some nvida driver issues, if anyone can help that would be great.
 zacmario: support in #lubuntu
 not this channel
[01:52] <teward> oh they're gone
[01:52] <teward> nevermind
[02:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL063feff35563: Update discover_screen.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL063feff35563
[02:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56#3251
[03:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7799f686b7c2: Update muon-toolbar.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7799f686b7c2
[03:43] <guiverc> jphilips (xubuntu but in ubuntu-quality/'ubuntu testers' or the flavor testing push) has an announcement, and push for same for other flavors.. Should we (Lubuntu) have one? has it been created? or I could 'steal jphilip's (xubuntu's; I'd get permission first of course) to make it suitable for us.  They maybe published on community.ubuntu.com so being almost identical wouldn't look good (I'd have to check how they intend to use as to how
[03:43] <guiverc> close they could be).  What prompted this was ..
[03:43] <guiverc> "announcement text should be prepared by each flavour using the text in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PVui1kB1JijGCoBPdkrg4P94LS4DozLtEJ37GKWga2E/edit# "
[04:02] <guiverc> if helpful, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BY2S9-A5jz8iU2KJ6OZ4mK4iBsidb_TA_BOho7J-xKY/edit?usp=sharing
 guiverc: thank you suggesting mode :P
 guiverc: I do not have editor mode so I am just gonna suggest things 😜
[05:02] <guiverc> sorry teward (modes), I'm used to editing ubu_news docs that I don't own.. anyway 'draft' created by teward & me is there if needed/useful
[05:04] <teward> alls good :)
[05:05] <teward> <offline for sleep>
[05:05] <teward> mostly created by guiverc - just has some bits from me heh
[19:45] <jphilips> hi team. hope you guys are staying safe and healthy.
[19:45] <jphilips> just wanted to put out a call to the team for someone to volunteer to write the announcement text for lubuntu using the points in the google doc below.
[19:45] <jphilips> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PVui1kB1JijGCoBPdkrg4P94LS4DozLtEJ37GKWga2E/edit#
[19:50] <jphilips> tsimonq2 wxl profetik777 @guiverc: ^^^
[19:55] <kc2bez> jphilips: guiverc posted that a little while ago. He had a draft for us to review.
[19:56] <jphilips> kc2bez: sweet
[19:56] <jphilips> if possible, please copy it into the google doc when you are finished reviewing it, so other flavors can take ideas from it
[23:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4b2860f14552: Update muon-shortcuts] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4b2860f14552


 I'm with Hive76. Not really doing anything with it at the moment though. What can I do for ya
[12:34] <pvl1> Not much, I'm just looking for geeky friends around Philadelphia
[12:38] <KyleYankan> Well, I'd invite you to check out #plug, it's pretty active and a good group of folks all around the area. #fosscon and #hive76 are decently active channels nad Philadlephia based as well. You'll see lots of overlap though, it's a good crowd that keeps itself involved.
[13:06] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[13:21] <JonathanD> pvl1: and come to PLUG
[13:54] <pvl1> JonathanD when is it
[14:04] <JonathanD> 14:04:23 < plugbot> Speakers are needed for: Wed Jan 8 (Central), Tue Jan 14 (North), Mon Jan 20 (West), Wed Feb 5 (Central), Tue Feb 11 (North), and Mon Feb 17 (West)
[14:04] <JonathanD> pvl1: there is more than one.
[14:23] <JonathanD> pvl1: the next one is in center city on the 8th
[14:42] <KyleYankan> center city? I thought it was at pen?
[14:42] <KyleYankan> penn*
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> might be working with waltman soon
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> should be gud!
[15:35] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: oh I guess it is penn
[15:36] <KyleYankan> University City, pvl1.
[15:36] <KyleYankan> AKA, Weeeeest Philadelphia..... (born and raiseD)
[15:37] <pvl1> I've partied in west Philly
[15:38] <KyleYankan> On the playgrounds? spent.. most of my days.
[15:38]  * KyleYankan sings awkwardly
[15:39] <JonathanD> pvl1: I'm usually at north.
[16:40] <pvl1> JonathanD in montco
[16:43] <JonathanD> pvl1: north is in blue bell
[16:43] <JonathanD> see you on the 14th?
[16:43] <JonathanD> pvl1: also, /join #Plug :)
[16:44] <pvl1> I got in there earlier today JonathanD, thank you


[05:43] <bilalakhtar> People, I have a problem. I am running lucid. Exim4 starts on boot, I want to stop that, removed runlevel scripts using update-rc.d and still it starts on boot. What do I do?
[07:39] <saz> cool, this looks like the right channel
[07:40] <saz> is there a quick way to run upstart jobs as a user other than root?
[07:40] <saz> I don't want my daemon to have root privileges
[08:33] <saz> ..nobody here?
[08:42] <ion> For now, use su.
[08:43] <saz> I've been trying that, I'm not sure if my issue is related to using su
[08:44] <saz> but for some reason, upstart seems to start lots and lots of instances of the binary
[08:44] <saz> instead of just one
[08:44] <saz> and stop doesn't work
[08:44] <saz> (I'm trying to use it to start vncserver, it spawns 99 instances of vncserver, then complains that it can't spawn anymore due to vncserver's limit of 99)
[08:46] <saz> any ideas?
[08:56] <saz> right
[08:56] <saz> looks like I have to put it in the pre-start script
[08:56] <saz> rather than just the script
[09:35]  * Keybuk smiles knowingly at Stef Bon's upstart-devel post
[09:47] <ion> :-)
[09:52] <ion> saz: What does your definition job look like?
[09:53] <saz> ion: I think I've fixed it now, but this is what it looks like: http://pastebin.com/JFtQnrUF
[09:54] <saz> the respawn doesn't seem to work though
[09:56] <saz> probably because the program is started in pre-start, rather than script


[01:33] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> i hear printers get auto recognized in 17.04
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> that should be nice
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> http://www.zdnet.com/article/are-we-heading-for-a-new-encryption-war/
[06:31] <ducasse> good morning
[13:19] <\9> why is yum in the apt repositories? o_O doesn't it conflict with apt real bad?
[17:40] <immu> ducasse, EriC^^ yo