[20:54] <icesword> test
[20:54] <funkt> histo what does that mean?
[20:54] <genii> funkt: Do you have a /dev/sr0 ?
[20:54] <histo> funkt: let me read up on whatever puddletag is hold up
[20:55] <histo> funkt: how are you going to use puddletag to edit tag info on an audio cd?  They aren't mp3s
[20:56] <funkt> I know.... slightly confused histo should I rip the cd first as unknown tracks?
[20:56] <funkt> thanks histo
[20:56] <histo> funkt: yes
[20:56] <funkt> once i have the files you are saying puddletag will then extract the info?
[20:56] <histo> funkt: you need to rip the cd to mp3 or ogg. Then you can use puddletag to edit those files tag information if you want. Although I don't see why you wouldn't just rip them properly in the first place
[20:57] <funkt> the reason is once ripped muzicbrainz is very limited
[20:57] <funkt> which seems to be the default database for a lot of the software
[20:57] <funkt> puddletag seems to have about four diff music databases
[20:58] <raub> A port which is blocked (DROP) in iptables should show up as filtered, right?
[20:58] <histo> funkt: yeah then rip and fix with puddletag if you want.
[20:58] <histo> funkt: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping
[20:58] <funkt> ill try that histo thank you very much for all your help
[20:58] <funkt> thank you histo
[21:00] <cpt_peacock> avond
[21:00] <cpt_peacock> wich languace?
[21:01] <cpt_peacock> nowbody is speaking why ?
[21:02] <k1l> !english | cpt_peacock
[21:02] <ObrienDave> cpt_peacock... you have not asked a question
[21:04] <cpt_peacock> ok i visit by
[21:04] <eihander> Hey all is your Mobo speaking to you? I think mine is hacked...
[21:04] <funkt> histo thank you that works thanks for explaining I just need to work out how to get the track names many thanks!!!
[21:10] <eihander> %t
[21:11] <moontoise> hi guys
[21:11] <wachpwnski> after you add a user with useradd
[21:11] <wachpwnski> how do you set them to use bash?
[21:11] <moontoise> what the best free todo manager for ubuntu, with alarm
[21:11] <wachpwnski> right now I only have $ when I su
[21:11] <eihander> Hey everyone can anyone help me out? I have a computer that is talking to me
[21:11] <eihander> It's saying everything I do... I think the neighbors were hacking my computer.  I'm not sure what I need to do.
[21:12] <wachpwnski> eihander: in your terminal?
[21:12] <eihander> I'm not sure if it is voltage control/manipulation or backdoor trojan . reformatted, fresh install encrypted, it's still failing
[21:12] <moontoise> eihander , are you know jin ?!
[21:13] <eihander> yes
[21:13] <moontoise> the jin in your computer :D
[21:13] <eihander> IDK how this is happening
[21:13] <eihander> jin?
[21:13] <moontoise> yeah
[21:13] <eihander> What is that?
[21:14] <moontoise> eihander, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn
[21:15] <moontoise> anybody know the best to-do manager with alarm?!! please help
[21:16] <eihander> idk about jinn but i don't think it has to do with my computer
[21:17] <eihander> i have a router, but it's not really helpful any terminal commands to shut out this problem? even with no internet they can still talk to me
[21:17] <wachpwnski> eihander: you are trolling sir...
[21:18] <eihander> I'm sorry I'm really not trolling
[21:18] <wylde> eihander: did you perhaps enable orca unintentionally? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility
[21:19] <wachpwnski> wylde: he is trolling. "I'm not sure if it is voltage control/manipulation or backdoor trojan . reformatted, fresh install encrypted, it's still failing"
[21:19] <wylde> *cough.dontforgetyourmedseither.cough* >.>
[21:19] <raub> eihander: don't know how you setup your router but it could be an attack vector.   It's a fresh install.. I'll check out this "attack vector".  This has been going on for a long time
[21:21] <raub> genii: you are provably right
[21:21] <raub> it would be a great party trick tough
[21:22] <LuvLinuxOS> hi all
[21:22] <auronandace> eihander: this channel deals with ubuntu, not debian
[21:22] <wylde> eihander: If you installed Debian why are you here?
[21:22] <eihander> I am on Ubuntu OS
[21:23] <eihander> how do I change colors and address?
[21:24] <raub> eihander: have someone who knows and you can trust validate your router is not p0wn3d
[21:25] <raub> Do the same in your ubuntu box. And run some kind of firewall. And fail2ban while there
[21:25] <raub> All that assumes someone did break int your machine and is not what genii mentioned
[21:25] <eihander> thanks, I'll look into it.  I used to just use the computer to game alot... think some people took it really to heart lol
[21:26] <eihander> I think they did..
[21:27] <mrkent> I have this proprietary software that was made for redhat and calls libraries like /lib64/libexpat.so.0. Is it possible to be able to use this software on ubuntu?
[21:27] <raub> eihander: if they keep doing it it means they have access to your network
[21:28] <raub> mrkent: chanoces are most of the libraries are also in ubuntu; you just need to identify and download the proper packages
[21:29] <mrkent> raub, how would I match the RH library to a package on ubuntu?
[21:29] <karen_> Hi, my daughter has a site  for audio books that her kids like to listen to, LibreVox.org. They were listening to Jungle Book on two different computers, but when she went to get on her computer with Ubuntu, it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. I've tried it on my Ubuntu too with the same results. There is usually no sound unless you open the sound with Rythmbox. Being we're both kind of new with ubuntu, we want to know if that is n
[21:29] <karen_> ormal or should we download something else? The sound works good with Rythmbox but their pretty colorful screen during the reading sometimes doesn't come up. Are we missing something?
[21:30] <antar> Hi People :)
[21:30] <raub> mrkent: do you know "yum whatprovides" in centos?
[21:30] <veryhappy> hi guys, got some questions abuot voip, is here any voip chan?
[21:31] <antar> #voip
[21:31] <mrkent> raub, no, i haven't used any rpm based distro before
[21:31] <veryhappy> antar: ok, this is pretty useless, 1 user in there
[21:31] <raub> veryhappy: also asterisk has its own site
[21:31] <veryhappy> it's about a softphone
[21:31] <Star-Flower> karen_, at the moment I can't get the site to load
[21:31] <veryhappy> or rather about codecs
[21:32] <antar> veryhappy, sorry i have nt the luck actually :(
[21:32] <karen_> ya sometimes crazy to even load. Maybe it's just a funny site to deal with being it's free and people donate their time to make it work.
[21:32] <veryhappy> antar: it's ok
[21:33] <Star-Flower> probably because its spelled librivox.org not librevox.org
[21:34] <Star-Flower> karen_, which version of ubuntu do you have?
[21:34] <antar> guys i am looking for a good way to become a ubuntu Certified ?
[21:34] <gregor30051> hi, i installed updates and during the updates i had a power failure. now ubuntu can't boot because he didn't find the lvm vg because he didn't opened the encrypted partition. how can i fix it? i went into chroot and finished the updates + updated grub (update-grub) but the problem still persists
[21:34] <raub> mrkent: you need to find out which packages you need to install
[21:34] <karen_> oWELL, sorry    I have Ubuntu 12.04
[21:34] <veryhappy> ok, well i've found a very odd thing in my softphone, a speex codec with a sample rate of 32000 and a bitrate of 0
[21:34] <cappyt> Hi everyone, i have a problem doing a live/installable iso based on my current system. I run 13.04 and i tried using remastersys, but it seems not working anymore... anyone has suggestions?
[21:34] <raub> mrkent: How was that package installed?
[21:34] <Star-Flower> karen_, seems to work well in 13.04, opens and plays just fine
[21:34] <veryhappy> can someone please explain me which is the more important one? sample rate or bitrate? thank you
[21:35] <antar> gregor30051, maybe you can reinstall the grub
[21:35] <gregor30051> antar: ok, i try it
[21:35] <raub> cappyt: try to elaborate on the problem
[21:35] <karen_> really    O.K. ya it does for me too the first one, but try chapter two. please
[21:36] <Star-Flower> I tried several chapters, had to refresh once but it still seems to work just fine
[21:36] <raub> mrkent: ldd might help you identify the libraries you need
[21:37] <mrkent> raub, basically just by unpacking
[21:37] <karen_> hummm  do you see the pretty colors and hear the sound without having to open Rhythmbox?
[21:37] <cappyt> raub i'm very new to this type of things and i don't know how to trubleshoot them, cause the log doesn't show errors (in my opinion)
[21:37] <veryhappy> antar: do you know which codecs are bette?
[21:37] <veryhappy> *better?
[21:37] <mrkent> raub, http://dpaste.com/1418122/
[21:38] <wylde> !info apt-file | mrkent: perhaps look into apt-file.
[21:38] <antar> veryhappy, voice codec
[21:38] <antar> ?
[21:38] <veryhappy> antar: yes
[21:39] <sobocanecben> what's the best channel to discuss pinguy OS?
[21:39] <antar> veryhappy, maybe g 711
[21:39] <Star-Flower> well for me it just shows an mp3 file, not any colors or video
[21:40] <genii> sobocanecben: Probably #pinguyos
[21:40] <karen_> I don't understand mp3 file. I thought I checked that box at the beginning when I started my clean install.
[21:41] <karen_> just so you know, i'm still trying to learn Linux.
[21:41] <veryhappy> well i've got here "g722, speex 32khz, pcma, pcmu, speex 16khz, gsm and speex 8khz
[21:41] <rangergord> Hi. I don't have Ubuntu yet, but have a question. If I get Ubuntu, is there a way to have icons in the taskbar also show the labels. Eg instead of (or in addition to) a random picture of some app I'm unfamiliar with, show the text "ApplicationX".
[21:41] <antar> g722
[21:41] <veryhappy> is the highest in my priority
[21:41] <blarghl> Hi all. In 13.10, how do I swap the win/cmd and alt keys? Everywhere references a now-nonexistant option in Keyboard Settings...
[21:41] <Star-Flower> karen_, thats fine I remember being new too
[21:42] <rangergord> blarghl: how did you get 13.10? It comes out in 2 days.
[21:42] <veryhappy> antar: could you try to sort them for me? if possible?
[21:42] <Star-Flower> karen_, you can press ctrl+alt+t and then type in sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras and press enter to see if mp3 support has been installed
[21:42] <veryhappy> blarghl: should be under keyboard settings?
[21:42] <pupdog> does anyone play path of exile on ubuntu????
[21:42] <ADP4U> no
[21:42] <blarghl> rangergord: final beta has been around for ages...
[21:42] <antar> veryhappy, i am not good of sorting :(
[21:42] <blarghl> veryhappy: it's not, that's the issue.
[21:43] <rangergord> ah, beta
[21:43] <Syme> Hey all - I've got a problem installing Ubuntu on an Acer Aspire One laptop that seems to be somewhat common - I disabled the Windows function that prevents third-party OSes from being installed(that thing everyone hates), but now it's just showing me the SYSLINUX/Peter Anvin copyright page and won't go past that. The solutions I see online are telling me to change some things in the installation files, but what to change and how seems t
[21:43] <veryhappy> antar: what's the thing to give importance on? sample rate or bitrate?
[21:43] <karen_> o.k. I'm going to try that right now.
[21:44] <veryhappy> Syme: what's your actual problem now? you don't get further in an installation?
[21:44] <blarghl> veryhappy: looks like they removed that option, no idea why.
[21:45] <metadave> is there a libiconv package for Ubuntu 13.04?
[21:45] <Syme> Yeah, I tell it to load from the USB stick, it goes to the SYSLINUX / Peter Anvin et al. copyright page, then it just stops.
[21:45] <veryhappy> blarghl: the only thing i recall about swapping was in keyboard settings in ubuntu
[21:45] <rangergord> I don't think I will mind Unity, but I'm not good with remembering icons, and prefer to rely on text. Will I have that option somehow, without using an alternative Ubuntu distro?
[21:45] <rangergord> I don't care if there's icon+text (like in the past), but icons alone are useless to me
[21:46] <Syme> According to my internet lurking I'm supposed to mess around with installation files in folders like isolinux but it seems to depend on a lot so I'm wondering what I do for a laptop like the one I have
[21:46] <mrkent> wylde, ubottu apt-file is similar to apt-cache search?
[21:46] <veryhappy> Syme: 2 ways to install from usb - usb loadlin or dd if=/path/to/source of=/path/to/destination
[21:47] <karen_> o.k. when I put that command in, a bunch of stuff was installed and a few things uninstalled. I didn't see anything about mp3 yet.
[21:47] <wylde> mrkent: Yes but it will tell you what packages include specific files.  I have the error that my hard switch is on so I can't get wifi to work. I tried ubuntu 13.10 and now I'm trying Ubuntu Gnome 13.10 and I have the same problem. There is no hardware switch. I tried turning wifi on and off in the bios but that did not work. I tried the rfkill stuff and that did not work. Any suggestions?
[21:49] <Syme> Wel I think I have 13.04 Ubuntu on this Kingston DataTraveler USB stick. The laptop I
[21:49] <veryhappy> Syme: ok
[21:49] <Syme> 'm trying to install to is totally blank, no OS. I'm typing all this from a different laptop
[21:49] <veryhappy> hewhomust: i don't think that's important on this step now.
[21:49] <Syme> So no, not dualboot, just want to put ubuntu right onto the other laptop by itself
[21:50] <veryhappy> Syme: do you have some kind of linux there?
[21:50] <hewhomust> veryhappy,  you can change the partitioning table if its in gpt to mbr much easier
[21:50] <veryhappy> hewhomust: didn't know that. thanks for the information.
[21:50] <Syme> The laptop I'm typing on and looking at the files in the USB from is running kubuntu, yeah
[21:50] <Syme> The one I'm trying to install ubuntu 13 onto is all blank, no OS of any kind
[21:51] <Syme> And again, the blank laptop is an Acer Aspire One
[21:51] <veryhappy> Syme: ok, that should be pretty easy if you try dd if of
[21:51] <karen_> So, Star-Flower, is there anything more I should do?
[21:51] <Syme> Try dd? How do you mean?
[21:51] <veryhappy> Syme: i'm using an acer aspire 6930g
[21:52] <veryhappy> dd stands for disk dump
[21:52] <veryhappy> it's a terminal program
[21:52] <Syme> Okay
[21:52] <Syme> So, step by step, what do I do here
[21:52] <mrkent> wylde, so I ran apt-file find libexpat.so.0 which returned nothing
[21:53] <veryhappy> Syme: you can use it like this: dd if=/path/to/image (must be iso afaik) of=/path/to/usb stick (like /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc)
[21:53] <veryhappy> and then you press enter
[21:53] <karen_> Where do i find mp3    -    in restricted extras? Where's that? or is it in there already?
[21:53] <mrkent> and I already have a libexpat as a default package, but it seems that it doesn't provide same files
[21:53] <veryhappy> karen_: if you want to install an mp3 codec, better install vlc it comes with most useful codecs.
[21:53] <Warp4> karen_, you mean something to play MP3s?
[21:54] <wilee-nilee> karen_: to play a mp3?
[21:54] <OerHeks> !find libexpat
[21:54] <Warp4> karakedi, what veryhappy said
[21:54] <mrkent> Does redhat and ubuntu have same file paths for libraries?
[21:54] <Yowl> I was told 	dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/<device> for using urandom on a partition, could "<device>" be the label I gave said partition?
[21:54] <Syme> I'm confused - do I type that into the terminal here or is that something I do within the Ubuntu installation files?
[21:54] <veryhappy> Syme: into the terminal, right
[21:54] <mrkent> OerHeks, ya I have libexpat1
[21:55] <wylde> mrkent: In that case you may have to resort to google, and since you're trying to satisy dependencies from a proprietary program from another distro you may end up having to get the source and compile some of the dependencies.
[21:55] <mustmodify> something's fuzzy in my head. If you want to split your logs weekly, so that you had some.20130929.log, some.20131006.log, some.20131013.log, etc., is that called truncation or something else?
[21:55] <wylde> "dependencies source"
[21:56] <mrkent> i see
[21:56] <karen_> well, I wanted to successfully listen to audio books on LibriVox.org, but for some of the chapters there was no sound until I opened it with Rhythmbox, so, Star-flower said to go to command line and get restricted extras which I did. it download a bunch of things and uninstalled a few things, but I don't know what to do now.
[21:56] <veryhappy> Syme: if you want to be done faster do better "nice -n -20 dd if=/path/to/image of=/path/to/stick obs=1G bs=1G
[21:56] <veryhappy> Syme: that should do faster
[21:56] <Syme> So I just copy paste what you just put there into the terminal?
[21:57] <veryhappy> Syme: you'll have to modify if= and of= options anyway
[21:57] <Syme> I'm not sure what to modify them to
[21:57] <veryhappy> Syme: the path to your image after if= and the path to your stick after of=
[21:58] <Crazyzurfer> my ubuntu is asking to update, I tell it to do it... after asking my password it says that installation of untrusted packages must be installed, I tell it "accept" but it seems to not work, because some time later it asks to update the same packages
[21:58] <Syme> Ah I see
[21:58] <veryhappy> brb guys please support Syme if he still has some questions thanks
[21:58] <Syme> Thank you, I'll work on it now
[21:58] <karen_> So, I need vlc?  is that in software?
[21:59] <rangergord> karen_: it was the last time I used Ubuntu (2008)
[21:59] <rangergord> should still be there
[22:00] <mustmodify> something's fuzzy in my head. If you want to split your logs weekly, so that you had some.20130929.log, some.20131006.log, some.20131013.log, etc., is that called truncation or something else?
[22:00] <karen_> O.K. I'll try that. Do you think that will help on that audio book site for the sound and video?
[22:01] <Syme> Alright, separate problem, my terminal doesn't seem to be working. I type, and no words appear - this is in Xfce. It's my friend's laptop, I'm not sure how things work here.
[22:01] <cappyt> If someone can help me, i have a problem using remastersys to get a installable ISO/live CD based on my current install. Here is my log: http://goo.gl/wJy9bA
[22:01] <karen_> So, what about this restricted extras? I don't understand that either, sorry, new here.
[22:03] <rangergord> karen_: I don't know how to fix your problem but look in the Ubuntu Software Center for VLC, it'll let you listen/watch anything until you can fix the system codecs or whatever
[22:03] <karen_> o.k. rangergord    thanks!
[22:04] <fahadash> Does ubuntu installer when installing , specifically at the formatting drive phase allow user to say "fix" or "mark" bad sectors ?
[22:04] <compdoc> fahadash, no
[22:05] <wilee-nilee> karen_: codecs are what let these media types play the restricted extras and the vlc player have additional ones to have this work, install them amd enjoy.
[22:05] <fahadash> compdoc: I currently have a windows computer with hdd having two partitions one with bad-sectors; I have to wipe out the hard drive and put a clean ubuntu install in it.. What would be the best way to do it?
[22:05] <paul_> wo finde ich einen deutschen kanal?
[22:06] <wilee-nilee> paul_: english?
[22:06] <paul_> deutsch?? :)
[22:06] <wilee-nilee> paul_: not here
[22:07] <paul_> ok ..
[22:07] <paul_> thx
[22:07] <wilee-nilee> !de
[22:07] <paul_> i see it
[22:08] <fahadash> no suggestions for me ?
[22:08] <Syme> Hey all - I've got a problem installing Ubuntu on an Acer Aspire One laptop that seems to be somewhat common - I disabled the Windows function that prevents third-party OSes from being installed(that thing everyone hates), but now it's just showing me the SYSLINUX/Peter Anvin copyright page and won't go past that. The solutions I see online are telling me to change some things in the installation files, but what to change and how seems t
[22:09] <wilee-nilee> fahadash: if you have bad sectors get a  new hd
[22:12] <jubale> How can I get binary apps to show up in Unity's search panel?
[22:13] <theradman> Hi all, I have a quick question, I just installed ubuntu-raring-13.04 which is command line based.  If I wanted to add a gui interface, e.g. gnome 13.04 (raring ringtail), is this possible to do on top of my os?  Would a reinstallation be necessary?  I dont want to change anything and risk having to reinstall everything
[22:13] <jubale> FoxIt Reader specifically.
[22:13] <veryhappy> Syme: i'm back, still any problems?
[22:14] <Ben64> theradman: not sure what you mean, 13.04 is not command line by default. if it really is ubuntu, you can add any desktop you want
[22:14] <karen_> O.K. I don't know how to use the vlc media player with LibriVox.org audio book site.   How do you use it?
[22:15] <theradman> hmmm thanks Ben64, when I log into my beagle bone with a microhdmi cable to an external display, it only comes up as a command line interface
[22:15] <veryhappy> karen_: vlc is a player for media files, streams and dvds/vcds etc. it automatically brings its own codecs while installation. that's why the codecs should be installed while installation of vlc.
[22:15] <Rory> karen_: Does librivox.org give you a downloaded file? what happens when you open it in VLC?
[22:15] <theradman> am I not enabline something that I should be?
[22:16] <Ben64> theradman: well thats a horse of a different color
[22:16] <Ben64> !arm | theradman
[22:16] <theradman> Ben64: ah thanks Ben64 I'll give this a read right now
[22:17] <karen_> When I open VLC, it just give the regular video box with choices on the top for what to play. They have an internet button on top to choose where they say to type in the URL, but that doesn't work for some reason with even copying and pasting.
[22:17] <Rory> karen_: Can you give an example URL?
[22:17] <veryhappy> karen_: what Rory said
[22:18] <karen_> well, it's a longggggg url    I can copy paste it for you, hang on.
[22:18] <veryhappy> karen_:
[22:18] <veryhappy> karen_: bit.ly
[22:18] <Rory> karen_: If it's very long use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:19] <veryhappy> karen_: you can also shorten the url with http://bit.ly
[22:19] <karen_> s://www.google.com/search?q=libriVox.org&ie=UTF-8&sa=Search&channel=fe&client=browser-ubuntu&hl=en
[22:19] <karen_> maybe it didn't get all of it.
[22:19] <veryhappy> https://www.google.com/search?q=libriVox.org&ie=UTF-8&sa=Search&channel=fe&client=browser-ubuntu&hl=en
[22:20] <veryhappy> karen_: corrected it for you
[22:20] <Yowl> Anyone on who can help me with  /dev/urandom or a alternative to it for randomizing HDD space?
[22:20] <karen_> what did you correct?
[22:20] <veryhappy> karen_: your url
[22:20] <karen_> so what was wrong/
[22:20] <Rory> karen_: That is a google search result
[22:20] <veryhappy> the first part was missing
[22:21] <Rory> karen_: VLC isn't magic enough to go through a web page and work out which part is a link to an actual media file
[22:21] <karen_> ohhh   o.k. so how do I find the correct one?  sorry so dumb here.
[22:21] <Rory> karen_: You need to find a URL which, if you were to click in in a browser, a file would download
[22:21] <Rory> karen_: Forget the "open by URL" thing in VLC for now. Just try to find a file you can download from LibreVox and open it in VLC
[22:21] <veryhappy> karen_: this might be an .mp3 file or .wma
[22:21] <Rory> karen_: It'll probably be .mp3 or .ogg
[22:22] <veryhappy> Rory: :D if you confuse him much more he'll not find it at the end :D
[22:22] <Rory> I imagine "karen" is not a he
[22:22] <karen_> o.k. aaaaa    I think I can figure that out.
[22:22] <veryhappy> Rory: oops, sorry :D
[22:22] <evilytwisted> Hi, Is there a "gamepad to keyboard" gui for linux?
[22:23] <veryhappy> evilytwisted: you could as well try to find a program for joystick to mouse and then use an on screen keyboard for that purpose.
[22:23] <wilee-nilee> evilytwisted: not really.
[22:23] <evilytwisted> veryhappy:  im trying to play WoW with my gamepad :P
[22:23] <veryhappy> evilytwisted: nerd, right?
[22:23] <karen_> So, it's o.k. to find a file I can download on an online site? I don't know what you can download on ubuntu Linux
[22:24] <evilytwisted> veryhappy:  No.. i just would like to try it
[22:24] <veryhappy> karen_: whatever you can download on windows as well.
[22:24] <evilytwisted> i found joy2key, But its not gui and highly confusing
[22:24] <Rory> karen_: Your issue here is with librevox it's not Ubuntu-specific.  Is that what I should do and then open it in vlc?
[22:25] <OerHeks> mrkent, fedora
[22:25] <veryhappy> evilytwisted: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=joy2key+manual
[22:25] <mrkent> OerHeks, okay thanks
[22:25] <evilytwisted> veryhappy:  Ha..ha..
[22:25] <veryhappy> karen_: mp3 is an audio file
[22:26] <wilee-nilee> karen_: right click the media-properties-play with and choose
[22:26] <karen_> o.k then      is that the download button i can push on their site?
[22:27] <Rory> !google | veryhappy
[22:27] <Yowl> 	Anyone on who can help me with /dev/urandom or a alternative to it for randomizing HDD space?
[22:27] <veryhappy> Rory: sorry. got it
[22:27] <wilee-nilee> !details | Yowl
[22:27] <evilytwisted> Rory:  I have googled my question, and ive checked joy 2 key manual..
[22:27] <veryhappy> Rory: some people even do to me
[22:28] <evilytwisted> its confusing..
[22:28] <evilytwisted> veryhappy:  just cause someone does it to you.. doesnt mean you do it to others...
[22:28] <veryhappy> evilytwisted: you should actually find some config files perhaps
[22:28] <wilee-nilee> Yowl: just state the iisues to ths channel for help.
[22:28] <veryhappy> evilytwisted: i got it i said
[22:28] <Yowl> wilee-nilee: Too many details to briefly explain, so waiting for someone who knows before going into it. Do you?
[22:28] <Rory> Yowl: What are you trying to do?
[22:28] <evilytwisted> -_- yeah ill go back to linuxmint... seems a lot nicer.. and its my distro
[22:29] <Yowl> Rory: Trying to randomize the contents of a blank partition for encrypting
[22:29] <Yowl> Well nicer or not, less people
[22:29] <wilee-nilee> Yowl: good luck that is not now it works here and weask you state and  of just ask for hel;
[22:29] <dr_willis> dd from /dev/random  perhaps   but it seems weird Yowl
[22:30] <Rory> Yowl: simply "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdXN" replacing XN with your actual partition name
[22:30] <widad_> can i ask in here about connecting a nokia to ubuntu please?
[22:30] <Rory> !ask
[22:30] <Yowl> wilee-nilee: What did you say?
[22:30] <dr_willis> seems a waste of time to me.
[22:31] <karen_> So, another question, guys... My grandkids like to download games on their windows computer. Can they do that on Ubuntu, or should they stick with the Software games?
[22:31] <Yowl> Rory: Will that command randomize only that partition, and nowhere else? Someone else mentioned the possibility of overrun if I don't specify like the exact size of the partitions and it's location on the HDD or something, not a risk?
[22:31] <jubale> Should there be a partition containing only 'lost+found'?
[22:31] <Rory> jubale: Yes
[22:31] <jubale> Why? It's not even mounted.
[22:32] <jubale> It's 5GB ext3, Ubuntu is installed on ext4
[22:32] <veryhappy> karen_: it's more difficult to find such games on ubuntu though many games can be found there as well, but in order to get windows games started on ubuntu it's a little bit harder.
[22:32] <dr_willis> karen_: theres games in software center. theres steam for ubuntu. some windows games work with wine or  'play on linux'
[22:32] <Rory> Yowl: No, if you specify the partition in the format /dev/sda2 (for example) only that partition will be touched
[22:32] <veryhappy> jubale: lost+found is always created.
[22:32] <widad_> HELPPPP  can i ask in here about connecting a nokia to ubuntu please?
[22:32] <OerHeks> Yowl, it makes no sence, filling an empty partition with random numbers, to use with encryption
[22:33] <veryhappy> widad_: !ask
[22:33] <karen_> o.k., so mostly, stick with the Ubuntu Software games.
[22:33] <illusion> hello, can any one here help me with openvpn on ubuntu ? i wahnt to connect to my openvpn server trouth icmp
[22:33] <veryhappy> !ask
[22:33] <widad_> veryhappy, please i need help about connecting my nokia to my computer. i run under ubuntu-studio and don't know how to connect my phone to it
[22:34] <Yowl> OerHeks: It is on advice, the principle being that it's more difficult to determine what is encrypted data, if surrounded by random. Like hiding a tree in a forest. You don't agree with this principle?
[22:34] <veryhappy> widad_: ok, first i need to know do you want to copy files from and to your computer with your nokia or do you want to use it as a modem in order to get into the internet?
[22:35] <Yowl> Rory: Will it give me a time frame for completion? Or is there a way to check? Can I use the label I gave the partition?
[22:35] <wilee-nilee> widad_: you would want to state the exact model and have you checked nokia's web pages or the net.
[22:35] <widad_> veryhappy, i want just to read my text message. my phone doesn't read some languages and i'm trying to read them
[22:36] <OerHeks> Yowl, i disagree, because when you set that partition in use, encryption software formats it and there is nothing to see about where is and where is not written data,
[22:36] <veryhappy> widad do you know which language it is?
[22:36] <karen_> Another question here:     Sooooo, I'm really having trouble putting any Linux distro with live cd or on a usb flash drive onto my windows 7 desktop that connects to the internet with belkin N600 DB v.2 wireless adapter. Just impossible - tried everything, except the windows wrap thing, which I don't know how to do and some people online say that doesn't even work.
[22:36] <widad_> veryhappy, yes arabic
[22:36] <Yowl> OerHeks: But Luks doesn't encrypt empty space, right?
[22:37] <veryhappy> widad_: does the phone have Android installed?
[22:37] <Rory> Yowl: dd has no progress indicator, I've always let it run overnight so I have no idea if it takes 5 minutes or 5 hours.
[22:37] <widad_> wilee-nilee, i searched but found nothing hope to find an answer here
[22:37] <karen_> Is that an absolute no, that kind of adapter?
[22:37] <widad_> veryhappy, no it's old it's a 5235
[22:38] <wilee-nilee> widad_: what ubuntu release 12,04 needs some  additional software for mtp
[22:38] <Rory> Yowl: That won't increase your security one bit, if you just encrypt a random other partition on the drive. The partition table shows which partition is which
[22:38] <widad_> wilee-nilee, mtp?
[22:38] <wilee-nilee> widad_: this an adroid?
[22:39] <Yowl> Rory: You seem to misunderstand, I would be encrypting one partition, I would randomize that specific partition before encrypting it. Not another unrelated partition
[22:39] <Rory> Yowl: Oh I see what you mean. Yes, by all means, that's good practice
[22:39] <widad_> wilee-nilee, i don't have an android
[22:39] <veryhappy> widad_: i don't think so.
[22:39] <widad_> veryhappy, it's not possible?
[22:40] <Rory> Yowl: Although any encryption tool worth its salt (heh) would randomise the free space anyway
[22:40] <OerHeks> Yowl even if it does not, you are not going to change that free space in random characters, luks will format your random filling
[22:40] <wilee-nilee> widad_:  nokia is  ot running a android platform?
[22:40] <veryhappy> widad_: you should try to use the Nokia PC Suite in order to synchronize the text messages to your computer.
[22:40] <wilee-nilee> not*
[22:40] <sienez> when I run a .sh script I get the following error messages ./data/myrmy: ./data/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6) AND ./data/myrmy: ./data/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.17' not found (required by /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdrm.so.2). do I need to install dev files for that?
[22:40] <Yowl> Rory: Well I am told LUKS and TrueCrypt are the best options, and that neither encrypt free space
[22:40] <widad_> veryhappy, does it run under ubuntu?
[22:40] <veryhappy> widad_: then you should be able to copy and paste the text into a translator in your computer.
[22:41] <Rory> Yowl: Tryecrypt does, it has an option to during the wizard
[22:41] <vimpulse> sienez:  hi :)  what script, and why run it?
[22:41] <Yowl> Rory: What would it encrypt anyway :p
[22:41] <Yowl> ah
[22:41] <jrib> sienez: say what you actually want to accomplish
[22:41] <widad_> veryhappy, does it run under ubuntu?
[22:41] <fahadash> wilee-nilee: There is a way to fill bad sectors with  fake data so system doesn't use that area right ?
[22:41] <Rory> Yowl: It is more to do with not being able to recover files that were on the partition before
[22:42] <Rory> Yowl: If there has never been sensitive data on the partition, it doesn't matter at all. You should use a Truecrypt hidden container if you need plausible deniability
[22:42] <veryhappy> widad_: perhaps you can try the program "blueman" in ubuntu
[22:42] <sienez> i want to run a script I downloaded from here: http://www.not-equal.eu/myrmedrome/main_en.html#Download. but when I run it I get the above error. so I checked synaptic for lib6 and so I was asking
[22:42] <sienez> the script is supposed to run an ant simulator
[22:43] <compdoc> fahadash, the problem with bad sectors is they dont stop growing. your data is at risk
[22:43] <widad_> veryhappy, blueman? i'll try it
[22:43] <wilee-nilee> fahadash: I don't know why even would you?
[22:43] <widad_> veryhappy, thanks a lot
[22:43] <widad_> wilee-nilee, thanks anyway
[22:43] <veryhappy> sienez: ant like in the animal or a program for programming?
[22:43] <sienez> ant like the animal
[22:44] <SecretFire> hey how can I blacklist ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d?
[22:44] <karen_> does anyone know how to use the ndiswrapper? I don't know how to find the .inf file for my driver. I can find the info when I go into Windows without Linux.
[22:44] <Yowl> Rory: Well I was thinking of encrypting a partition, rather then a container. Isn't that better? And the crypto people I get this randomizing advice from do not advice it to prevent recovery of files that were on the partition before
[22:44] <sienez> i'm on ubuntu 13.04 on x86_64
[22:45] <veryhappy> karen_: what model do you have there? it's generally always a good idea first to try if there is a native driver for this purpose.
[22:45] <Rory> Yowl: Id recommend reading through all the truecrypt documentation (background info, not software manuals) because you need to understand encryption to get the most out of it, and I don't think I can explain well enough
[22:46] <karen_> I have a belkin N600 DB v.2001 wireless adapter.
[22:46] <wilee-nilee> SecretFire: you can block it with grub at boot
[22:46] <Rory> Yowl: particularly the sections on plausible deniability - it seems you have a need to hide the existance of encryption from an adversary, and it's very important you do it right in that case
[22:46] <veryhappy> sienez: do you need to compile it?
[22:47] <Yowl> Rory: Well preventing access by noisy individuals borrowing my PC would suffice mostly.  You don't think LUKS is more secure then TrueCrypt? Or no idea/opinion?
[22:48] <Rory> Yowl: Truecrypt has Windows and Mac clients so it's good for cross-platform
[22:48] <Yowl> Rory: Yeah, but if I spend most of my time in linux..
[22:49] <thenetbook> Hewwo
[22:49] <Rory> Yowl: Then either is fine
[22:49] <sienez> veryhappy, no. it's a simple 2-liner with "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./data/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH; ./data/myrmy" where data contains several .so.0 files, the binary 'myrmy' and some png files
[22:49] <veryhappy> karen_: probably there is really no driver for Linux for that.
[22:49] <vimpulse> sienez:  Did you try "sudo /usr/bin/aptitude install wine" then "wget http://www.not-equal.eu/myrmedrome/ myrmedrome-v2.1-win.exe" then "wine ./myrmedrome-v2.1-win.exe &"?  Hacky but maybe it will work.
[22:49] <karen_> ya... so no luck?
[22:49] <Yowl> Rory So no idea if one is more secure then the other? I was told since LUKS is open source and TrueCrpyt isn't, that it is probably better to use TrueCrypt
[22:50] <vimpulse> sienez:  oops that middle command should be "wget http://www.not-equal.eu/myrmedrome/myrmedrome-v2.1-win.exe" without any space inside it.
[22:50] <thenetbook> What should I do if an Error pops up when I am trying to play a Steam game saying: "Could not find required OpenGL entry point 'glGetError'! Either your video card is unsupported, or your OpenGL driver needs to be updated.
[22:50] <veryhappy> karen_: in this case we can only try to get it running with ndiswrapper i guess.
[22:50] <veryhappy> karen_: let me check something out
[22:50] <Richhh> i broke my bash emulation by writing export PATH=$HOME/dir
[22:50] <karen_> k
[22:50] <Richhh> commands dont work now
[22:50] <Richhh> a quick way to reset it?
[22:51] <Rory> Richhh: "reset"
[22:51] <sienez> vimpulse, as a very last resort I might do that but before that i will try on ubuntu 12. but first i want to troubleshoot this. there has to be a way
[22:51] <Richhh> Rory command not found
[22:51] <vimpulse> veryhappy:  is running the Windows version a bad troubleshooting step?
[22:51] <vimpulse> veryhappy:  on Wine
[22:51] <thenetbook> ?
[22:51] <ADP4U> I hate wine in linux
[22:51] <ADP4U> Love drinking it
[22:51] <Richhh> Rory im using cygwin
[22:51] <Rory> Richhh: /usr/bin/reset
[22:52] <Rory> Richhh: What
[22:52] <vimpulse> ADP4U:  I used it today to run an obscure tool.  It worked flawlessly and perfectly.
[22:52] <Rory> !ot | Richhh
[22:52] <wylde> Richhh: log out and back in..... cygwin != ubuntu
[22:52] <veryhappy> vimpulse: for which program?
[22:52] <thenetbook> ...
[22:52] <Richhh> ok
[22:52] <vimpulse> veryhappy:  this "Myrmedome" ant-colony simulator
[22:52] <Richhh> oh yep
[22:52] <Richhh> no problem
[22:52] <Rory> Yowl: It's more to do with the actual encryption technoloy, like AES or whatever, that the program that implements it
[22:52] <ADP4U> Ok cool.
[22:52] <veryhappy> vimpulse: at least you can try it, if it doesn't run, then we know it doesn't run.
[22:52] <Richhh> thanks wydle
[22:53] <thenetbook> hmkfdry kjgdxcyh
[22:53] <thenetbook> oops
[22:53] <Oddity> Where do I find this ant colony simulator?
[22:53] <vimpulse> sienez:  very_happy thinks it's a reasonable thing to try.
[22:53] <veryhappy> karen_: ok, let's try to install ndiswrapper and get this thing to run. which version of ubuntu do you use?
[22:53] <thenetbook> didnt mean to press enter
[22:53] <vimpulse> Oddity:  http://www.not-equal.eu/myrmedrome/main_en.html
[22:53] <Yowl> Rory: Have you ever used Truecrypt or LUKS before?
[22:54] <vimpulse> sienez:  why don't you want to try it?
[22:55] <sienez> is it possible that version 'GLIBC_2.17' is found in libc6-dev-amd64:i386 in the repositories?
[22:55] <karen_> veryhappy, I am very happy with my Ubuntu on my laptop right now which I am typing off of, BUT, if I stick my Slacko Puppy usb flash drive or even any linux live cd in my desktop with the belkin adapter, it won't work, sooooo, if you can just tell me how to do it, I can right it down and try it later. o.k.?
[22:55] <Rory> Yowl: Yes I use Truecrypt on my desktop machine which dual-boots Arch and Windows, and I use LUKS (I think) on my Ubuntu work laptop (or whatever technology is used by the LVM encryption provided by the installer)
[22:56] <Yowl> Rory: Does Truecrypt have a special boot screen one has to go through, even if only encrypting a nonboot partition?
[22:56] <sienez> vimpulse, i would prefer the native program.
[22:56] <karen_> "write" it down, sorry
[22:56] <Rory> Yowl: I don't know, and this is starting to get well outside the realm of Ubuntu support
[22:57] <karen_> I do have the cd that the belkin wireless adapter came with. Will that help?
[22:58] <veryhappy> karen_: you will have to find the latest windows driver of this belkin adapter and try to load the driver in ndiswrapper in order to get it working.
[22:58] <karen_> I'm saying, "I'll try it later," because I don't have another monitor for the desktop to try it.
[22:58] <veryhappy> karen_: if you have the driver it might be useful to
[22:58] <veryhappy> karen_: i mean if you have the driver on a cd it's useful.
[22:59] <vimpulse> sienez:  we know that you would prefer the native program.  So would I, and so would anyone.  But my question was a little different.  My question was *why* you would prefer the native program.  :)
[22:59] <veryhappy> Yowl: what do you want to encrypt?
[22:59] <karen_> Ummm I have the cd that came with the adapter that i had to put in when I got my windows desktop going, if that's what you mean?
[22:59] <veryhappy> karen_: yes. this driver will help you later.
[23:00] <yarudl> anyone care to help me with my computer not seeing the boot partition?
[23:00] <veryhappy> yarudl: what's the problem of this computer not seeing the boot partition?
[23:00] <Yowl> veryhappy: A partition with nonsystem files
[23:00] <mPrometheus> security-scanner11.infosec.utexas.edu]quit
[23:01] <karen_> o.k. veryhappy, tell me what to do step by step if you are so patient. ummm I wouldn't know how to download the new driver from online site to ndiswrapper.
[23:01] <veryhappy> Yowl: afaik there should be encryption brought with ubuntu already
[23:01] <yarudl> I installed Ubuntu with the 'wipe the drive' option, and when I boot the computer it says no bootable partition found.
[23:01] <Dr_Willis> yarudl:  id try out the boot-repair tool from a live cd. its mentioned on the following urls
[23:01] <karen_> can't do that if I'm not online. I probably can do that on windows.
[23:01] <Dr_Willis> !fixgrub
[23:02] <yarudl> ubottu: I'll give that a go. I've spent quite a while arguing with this thing... it's an old cr48 so it's a bit cranky.
[23:02] <Tigz4god> Anyone here familiar with using playonlinux and league of legends
[23:03] <veryhappy> karen_: first you have to download the driver from the internet or copy it from a cd. because this is much easier now, i'm going to try this way. you need to find the driver setup and there should be a driver that you can use for ndiswrapper. then you need to copy the driver to your linux system and move it into any directory that you specify with ndiswrapper -i /path/to/driver then you should just press enter and it should be loading
[23:03] <veryhappy> needs to be loaded should be possible with modprobe -i ndiswrapper.
[23:03] <plut0> how do you change mirrors for apt-get using cli?
[23:03] <thumpba> what is the best ssh for 12.04
[23:04] <veryhappy> Tigz4god: League of Legends is usable with wine. Install wine for your system and it should already work.
[23:04] <veryhappy> thumpba: what do you mean with best ssh for 12.04?
[23:05] <veryhappy> thumpba: do you want to use it for a server?
[23:05] <Tigz4god> veryhappy: i have it installed using wine. I was just curious if the extreme length of load screen is normal
[23:05] <veryhappy> Tigz4god: because wine needs a little more time to load it's normal i guess.
[23:06] <Tigz4god> veryhappy: thats what I thoguht, I just wnated to knwo if someone could confirm that they have same issue
[23:06] <vimpulse> I thought that Wine normally should be just as fast as Windows is.  Except if a game falls back to software rendering.
[23:07] <veryhappy> Tigz4god: you can change that with a registry that i've made for the windows registry. probably that could work.
[23:07] <karen_> o.k.   If there is already a driver for it, because it works for windows, I should download it anyway so I can copy it to Linux? You mean, I'll be able to find the download through ndiswrapper, press where ever I downloaded it and it should enter Linux?
[23:08] <Tigz4god> veryhappy: could you elobrate a little for me? What changed should I make?
[23:08] <Dr_Willis> vimpulse:  ive seen some games run faster in wine, than in windows. :)
[23:09] <karen_> When you open ndiswrapper, it goes straight to your windows files. I don't quite get what your saying there.
[23:09] <veryhappy> karen_:  you just copy the windows driver for this adapter into any directory and install it in ndiswrapper
[23:09] <veryhappy> Tigz4god: write me your email address /msg veryhappy type your email address.
[23:10] <karen_> o.k.    into any directory in windows, and then I can find it with the ndiswrapper?
[23:10] <karen_> that sounds easy enough
[23:14] <karen_> Does it matter, VeryHappy, if the downloaded driver is in any file on windows, because they said to find it in the .inf file, but maybe that doesn't matter just so long it see it and can "wrap" it.
[23:15] <veryhappy> kicked myself out.
[23:15] <veryhappy> i'm back
[23:15] <ObrienDave> hate when that happens ;)
[23:16] <veryhappy> who had this League of Legends problem now?
[23:16] <karen_> me     but I think I pretty much got it, right?
[23:16] <veryhappy> i was talking about wine now.
[23:16] <karen_> oh ya that guy
[23:17] <veryhappy> is that guy still here?
[23:17] <karen_> Am I right, veryhappy?
[23:17] <suyase> Hey, when I type xinput list it doesn't show my touchpad, but my touchpad works - the problem is that the mouse jumps left and double clicks every ~3 seconds
[23:17] <ObrienDave> oh oh, you're going to anger the OT gods LOL
[23:17] <reisio> suyase: clean it off
[23:18] <veryhappy> karen_: i just asked because i kicked myself out.
[23:18] <suyase> I can't get this behavior to stop, and none of the threads discussing Elantech touchpads have answers
[23:18] <Crazyzurfer> my ubuntu is asking to update, I tell it to do it... after asking my password it says that installation of untrusted packages must be installed, I tell it "accept" but it seems to not work, because some time later it asks to update the same packages
[23:18] <suyase> reisio: During boot it displays a message stating that query 0x02 failed to the touchpad
[23:18] <suyase> reisio: Also, it isn't dirty
[23:18] <wilee-nilee> Crazyzurfer, you are missing keys of added repos.
[23:19] <Dr_Willis> !keys
[23:19] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.i never can rember that repo key factoid
[23:19] <reisio> suyase: only way you could know that is if you cleaned it off
[23:19] <karen_> So, let me get this straight... I'm so sorry... Soooo, I go download an upgraded driver for my belkin wireless adapter, put it like in downloads or something in my windows desktop. Then I get on my linux and go into ndiswrapper, find it, and hopefully it will load. Right?
[23:20] <reisio> karen_: which adapter?
[23:20] <suyase> reisio: That's correct. I have cleaned it several times.
[23:20] <veryhappy> karen_: pretty much
[23:20] <veryhappy> reisio: belkin n600
[23:20] <suyase> reisio: Also, there is a specific error message at boot that indicates the problem probably isn't dirt.
[23:20] <wilee-nilee> CrazyEddy, run tghe update and upgrade in the terminal what ever key you are missing use this to insert it  sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys "put key here"
[23:21] <karen_> k, veryhappy,     reisio, it is a belkin n600 db v2 wireless adapter for my desktop that for some reason, no linux distro I try will recognize its driver.
[23:21] <Crazyzurfer> wilee-nilee: are you telling me that? or you are telling that to crazyeddy, lol
[23:21] <guyguy> yo yo
[23:21] <wilee-nilee> Crazyzurfer, you sorry
[23:22] <wilee-nilee> Crazyzurfer, having a common nick is the problem with trying to use the tab complete, lol on you.
[23:22] <Crazyzurfer> wilee-nilee: and how do I know which one has the missing key
[23:22] <karen_> thanks, veryhappy, for you time and info   !!!
[23:22] <reisio> yeah looks like ndiswrapper is the way https://www.google.com/search?q=%22belkin%22%20%22n600%22%20%22linux%22
[23:22] <wilee-nilee> Crazyzurfer, read the instuctions.
[23:23] <markovh> i've noticed randomly when i try to paste, it doesn't work in a terminal (ctrl shift v). when i click on edit and then click back into the console (other menus don't work like file,view), it starts working again
[23:23] <veryhappy> reisio: we already figured that out. thanks
[23:23] <Crazyzurfer> wilee-nilee: now i understand
[23:23] <markovh> strange right?
[23:23] <reisio> veryhappy: hence yeah
[23:23] <wilee-nilee> Crazyzurfer, cool they will show in the terminal with a update upgrade.
[23:24] <suyase> So, I updated to raring and my external USB atheros(wifi) adapter no longer works - Ubuntu recognizes it, it appears in the list of adapters, then it promptly vanishes - this happens over and over again
[23:25] <wilee-nilee> suyase, You install any drivers to get it going originally
[23:25] <suyase> wilee-nilee: linux-image-generic includes ath9k for atheros chipset cards I believe
[23:25] <karen_> One more question guys, than I'm scadaddling along.   If I download a audio mp3 thing from that LibriVox thing, can I somehow get rid of that download later? Where is it? This isn't windows.
[23:26] <suyase> wilee-nilee: also, it recognizes the card - it just immediately drops it and re-recognizes it repeatedly
[23:26] <suyase> wilee-nilee: I don't believe I ever installed any special drivers for that card
[23:26] <Anom01y> hey everyone
[23:26] <wilee-nilee> suyase, Hmm, that does not answer the question, am I to assume that is a no?
[23:26] <Anom01y> I have this strange problem with my graphics, everything works, for a while,
[23:27] <Anom01y> then about 1 or 2 days, maybe a few more even, the graphics get very choppy
[23:27] <wilee-nilee> suyase, generally the exact model help, run lsusb and identify it
[23:27] <ccowan_> I'm having issues with an Nvidia GTX 660 graphics card and the Proprietary drivers.
[23:27] <Anom01y> the problem is noticeable in the screensaver, and in clementine visualizations (music playing program)
[23:27] <Anom01y> it seems all graphics get choppy
[23:27] <ccowan_> when I boot into the login screen instead it just flashes between colors
[23:27] <Anom01y> so my only solution is to reset the computer,
[23:27] <suyase> wilee-nilee: it only appears on lsusb very briefly
[23:28] <suyase> wilee-nilee: then it vanishes
[23:28] <ccowan_> rainbow bars... black... gray scales... etc
[23:28] <suyase> wilee-nilee: this repeats indefinitely
[23:28] <Anom01y> I was wondering if there is another way to fix this issue without resetting the computer
[23:28] <ccowan_> any suggestions?
[23:28] <moppy> ccowan_: I had that, do you have nomodeset set?
[23:28] <wilee-nilee> suyase, Can you test it on another computer to make sure it works or another OS?
[23:28] <wilee-nilee> still works that is
[23:28] <ccowan_> I tried that.. same results
[23:28] <suyase> wilee-nilee: It works on my other machines just fine
[23:28] <ccowan_> moppy ^^^
[23:28] <moppy> ccowan_: works with nouveau?
[23:28] <suyase> wilee-nilee: When I installed raring, I started having many problems
[23:29] <ccowan_> yup... works fine with nouveau
[23:29] <suyase> wilee-nilee: The problem with the network adapter, and the problem with the mouse (it jumps left and clicks twice every ~2-3 seconds)
[23:29] <Guest95165> hey, what should I use to burn my ISO file to a disk for installation
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> suyase, To really get any help the exact model is quite helpful to you and us, if it works on other setuos get that info.
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> setups*
[23:30] <wilee-nilee> Guest95165, a burner, what OS?
[23:30] <ObrienDave> Guest95165... I use K3B
[23:30] <suyase> it's an AWUS036
[23:30] <reisio> Guest95165: don't have a usb stick?
[23:30] <ccowan_> moppy... did you just add that to grub?
[23:30] <moppy> Guest95165: ubuntu has brasero as standard: what OS are you on?
[23:30] <Guest95165> @reisio I'm on windows 7 right now
[23:30] <reisio> Guest95165: ...but do you have a usb stick
[23:31] <moppy> Guest95165: win7 doesnt need a burner program, it is built into windows explorer
[23:31] <suyase> wilee-nilee: Also, the reason I'm telling you this is it's not a problem with the device or the driver - I've checked those several times - it appears to be a problem with ubuntu, not my devices
[23:32] <moppy> Guest95165: I assume you mean a DVD-R not a USB, right?
[23:32] <Guest95165> yes, but I intended to just use an unused DVD-R that I had lying around
[23:32] <suyase> wilee-nilee: As in, ubuntu seems to recognize the devices just fine, then immediately forgets them, then immediately recognizes them again
[23:33] <reisio> Guest95165: k, it doesn't really matter as long as you burn the image as an image and not a file, and I'd recommend a slower speed, such as 4x
[23:33] <moppy> Guest95165: Well you don't need to download anyhting . Win7 can do it
[23:33] <wilee-nilee> suyase, Problem here is almost all wifi and many drivers are reversed engineered to work the problem is with the manufacturers not giving support, using that identification and 13.04 on google I find this, look for yourself. https://www.google.com/search?q=AWUS036+13.04&btnG=Search&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&oe=utf-8
[23:34] <suyase> wilee-nilee: It's not _just_ the wifi card that is experiencing a problem, and the problems are the same
[23:34] <Guest95165> okay, moppy, then how do I do that? (sorry I'm such a N00B)
[23:34] <moppy> Guest95165: But when i used windows, i sometimes used Nero. However win7 explorer as a microsoft one built in somewhere, i think you right click the ISO file or someting
[23:35] <ObrienDave> Guest95165... right click ISO, send to "burn disc"
[23:35] <moppy> Guest95165: if you're stuck just download any of the numerous windows dvd burnign programs. your pc probably came with one anyway? (becuase apparenty ppl dont know windows does it)
[23:35] <wilee-nilee> suyase, Myself, the minute it did not work I would get one that plugged and worked always, they are cheap, it's not worth the hassle in my opinion.
[23:35] <moppy> Guest95165: you need to burn the ISO, not the files in the ISO, that's the only tricky thing to remember
[23:35] <suyase> wilee-nilee: It has always worked.
[23:35] <suyase> wilee-nilee: Always.
[23:36] <suyase> wilee-nilee: I upgraded to 13.04 and it stopped working
[23:36] <suyase> wilee-nilee: It is not the _only_ problem that 13.04 has caused - I see two of the problems as related
[23:36] <OerHeks> suyase, see this answer, disable wireless N and see if the problem keeps comming up >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1170463/comments/33
[23:37] <yellowfish2> hey guys. So I just installed ubuntu on my new chromebook
[23:37] <yellowfish2> I'm usign the laptop mainly for web dev
[23:37] <yellowfish2> any suggestions on things I should download?
[23:37] <yellowfish2> I'm used to Sublime text
[23:37] <suyase> OerHeks: I'm not sure how to explain this precisely.
[23:37] <yellowfish2> for text editing
[23:37] <suyase> OerHeks: The wireless card doesn't malnfunction
[23:37] <reisio> yellowfish2: you could download that if you wanted
[23:37] <suyase> OerHeks: As in, it actually works fine with Ubuntu
[23:37] <yellowfish2> oh nice
[23:37] <yellowfish2> any other good web dev IDEs for ubuntu?
[23:38] <suyase> OerHeks: but some of my devices (touchpad, USB wifi card, other stuff) Ubuntu identifies them correctly, and then drops them ~2 seconds later
[23:38] <veryhappy> yellowfish2: web dev you say? eclipse or intellij
[23:38] <suyase> OerHeks: So in the case of my touch pad, it's causing my mouse to jump 2 inches to the left every 2-3 seconds when it reinitializes
[23:38] <reisio> yellowfish2: yeah, but if you learned Vim you'd be so much happier :p
[23:38] <suyase> OerHeks: The wifi card cannot be used because it reinitializes every 2-3 seconds
[23:38] <suyase> OerHeks: So it's not an issue of using the wifi card
[23:39] <suyase> OerHeks: It's just an issue of getting ubuntu to stop dropping the initialized devices constantly
[23:39] <yellowfish2> why do I see a picture of a poor african child when I google search for Vim?
[23:39] <jakemp> because you have a weird google search history?
[23:39] <reisio> yellowfish2: you don't
[23:39] <veryhappy> yellowfish2: because google is based on filters and such
[23:39] <moppy> yellowfish2: first thing i would do on an ubuntu chromebook is download something to fix the function keys and delete key ...
[23:39] <yellowfish2> why?
[23:40] <Guest95165> if I mount the ISO from the website then copy those files do my DVD-R will that work? or no?
[23:40] <yellowfish2> I don't have a fgunction key
[23:40] <reisio> you've probably been searching for something related to poor african children lately, and haven't cleared your cookies, so google is giving you more of what they know you're already interested in
[23:40] <yellowfish2> nor do I really need it...
[23:40] <Vivekananda> hey everyone. in my ubuntu 12.04 I see /usr/bin/emacs and /usr/bin/emacs24 and I chose the latter but what is the differnce
[23:40] <moppy> yellowfish2: exactly the point... most editors will use F1-F12 etc. and where is your delete key?
[23:40] <Jeruvy> o/
[23:40] <Vivekananda> Also it is not giving me syntax highlight for php
[23:41] <yellowfish2> I don't use those f1-f12 keys anyways
[23:41] <yellowfish2> especially on sublime
[23:41] <yellowfish2> not necessary
[23:41] <reisio> http://dontbubble.us/
[23:41] <ObrienDave> yellowfish2... http://www.vim.org/
[23:42] <moppy> yellowfish2: I actually miss F11 a tlot (full scren for chrome). I can do it, but needs to click around. slighly annoying. kind of need that for testing sites etc.
[23:42] <ObrienDave> oops, ok, THAT african child. my bad LOL
[23:42] <yellowfish2> wtf
[23:42] <yellowfish2> my trackpack doesn't even work
[23:42] <yellowfish2> with ubuntu
[23:43] <moppy> yellowfish2: which chromebook? arm?
[23:43] <yellowfish2> yes
[23:43] <Guest95165> if I mount the ISO from the website then copy those files do my DVD-R will that work? or no?
[23:43] <veryhappy> reisio: cool site reisio like i told search engine are filters, is that also a search engine?
[23:43] <yellowfish2> wait nvm
[23:43] <yellowfish2> it's intel
[23:44] <daniel_> http://l.yimg.com/ok/u/assets/img/favicon-fresh-107777.ico
[23:44] <moppy> Guest95165: did you look @ the instructions on ubuntu's site? http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/burn-a-dvd-on-windows
[23:45] <suyase> My touchpad vanishes and reappears on "xinput list" every 2-3 seconds
[23:45] <daniel_> i need a list of hotel email addresses
[23:45] <suyase> How to fix this?
[23:46] <ObrienDave> Guest95165... NO, an ISO file MUST be burnt as is. It is not an archive like a ZIP file is
[23:46] <veryhappy> ObrienDave: is right
[23:46] <Guest95165> @obriendave okay, thanks
[23:46] <daniel_> how to access hotel email addresses
[23:47] <veryhappy> daniel_: that's not topic of this channel.
[23:47] <ObrienDave> I feel a full moon coming LOL
[23:48] <suyase> how to reinstall drivers for an Elantech touchpad on ubuntu 13.04?
[23:48] <yellowfish2> man I think I fucked up my chrombook installation
[23:48] <yellowfish2> I've no idea what's happening
[23:48] <reisio> veryhappy: hrmm?
[23:50] <moppy> yellowfish2: have you tried crouton? it's a bit better for hardware support since it's running on top of chromeOS
[23:50] <veryhappy> reisio: what's up?
[23:50] <yellowfish2> I'm using crouton right now
[23:50] <reisio> veryhappy: couldn't parse your last msg to me
[23:50] <yellowfish2> my mousepad is fucked up
[23:50] <suyase> This is unbelievably frustrating, and it seems that google has no answers
[23:50] <yellowfish2> you can't move the mouse unless you put like half of your finger on it
[23:50] <IdleOne> yellowfish2: Please no cursing in ubuntu channels
[23:50] <veryhappy> reisio: i think i didn't write something important
[23:51] <yellowfish2> sorry
[23:51] <IdleOne> thank you
[23:51] <thumpba> veryhappy: yes i want to use ssh on a server...its just for me.
[23:51] <veryhappy> thumpba: i'd suggest apt-get install openssh-server
[23:52] <reisio> yellowfish2: some useful packages for web stuff: http://dpaste.com/1418252/plain/
[23:52] <Guest95165> thanks for the support, everyone!
[23:53] <thumpba> veryhappy: okay so i installed that, however, its performing diff on 2 servers
[23:54] <Guest65825> have a good day, come on!
[23:54] <veryhappy> thumpba: diff?
[23:54] <thumpba> veryhappy: one server it works great, the other i get a broken pipe error and when i try to reconnect via ssh it times out and will only work after the server is rebooted
[23:54] <Yowl> How do you get a time estimate for the work of DD randomizer?
[23:55] <veryhappy> thumpba: that seems strange
[23:55] <thumpba> indeed
[23:55] <veryhappy> thumpba: network works fine anyway?
[23:56] <Ari-Yang> !12.10
[23:56] <thumpba> yes, same network
[23:58] <veryhappy> thumpba: never occured to me this problem


[03:56] <guideX> how does my telecom co go about selling ubuntu phones?
[06:29] <messenjah> good morning world
[06:32] <guideX> good morning
[06:48] <dholbach> good morning
[08:30] <dednick> tedg: can you point me to the prompt splashscreen bug
[08:43] <cylonmath> guys is there any way to upload custom ringtones to the phone??
[08:53] <Saviq> tvoss, can you point me to media-hub logs?
[08:53] <Guest27706> hello, i'm trying install ubuntu touch to sony xperia t device. There is on page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices that it is possible and that device name is mint. But ro.product.device=LT30p and when trying command "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=devel --bootstrap", it returns that there is no appropriate image. Is there way to specify that i want to use mint image? Thanks
[08:55] <Saviq> Guest27706, it's not a community-supported device, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/mint for install instructions etc.
[08:58] <Guest27706> Saviq: ok, thank You.
[09:05] <Saviq> tvoss, unping, found them
[09:07] <tedg> dednick, bug 1352251
[09:08] <tedg> dednick, also bug 1398888
[09:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cubicle Day! :-D
[09:20] <tvoss> Saviq, ack, anything else I can help with?
[13:20] <speck84> Is there soemone have a freetime to help me make it works the ubuntu sdk?
[13:21] <speck84> Nothing appire on my phone
[13:53] <speck84> Can someone help troubleshoot why my Ubuntu Touch phone doesn't do  anything with  laptop?
[13:53] <speck84> I test applicatoin doesn't running eighter
[13:59] <speck84> Does anyone got error massege like this?
[13:59] <speck84> Warnings while parsing QML type information of /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/unity8/qml/Dash:
[13:59] <speck84> Failed to parse '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/unity8/qml/Dash/Dash.qmltypes'.
[13:59] <speck84> Error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/unity8/qml/Dash/Dash.qmltypes:102:19: Expected string literal to contain 'Package/Name major.minor' or 'Name major.minor'.
[13:59] <speck84> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/unity8/qml/Dash/Dash.qmltypes:103:36: Expected array literal with only number literal members.
[14:55] <bpierre> Hi, do you know how to uninstall a Click package installed with `pkcon install-local`?
[14:56] <mcphail> bpierre: i think you can uninstall in the same way you uninstall an app store package
[14:56] <bpierre> Yes it works if I do that, but I would like to do it from the CLI
[14:57] <davidcalle> bpierre, sudo click unregister <package>
[14:57] <bpierre> And `pkcon remove mypackagename` doesn’t work, nor `pkcon remove ./my-package-filename`
[14:58] <bpierre> Thanks davidcalle, it works!
[14:58] <davidcalle> bpierre, yw :)
[16:00] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: Ping
[16:32] <Verc> Hi! How to update my Nexus 4 to the Ubuntu 15.04?
[16:48] <peat-psuwit> Verc: Enable developer mode in system settings > about the phone
[16:48] <Verc> i've tried to flash "stable" channel but it's still 14.10 ;/
[16:49] <Verc> r18
[16:49] <peat-psuwit> Verc: 14.10 doesn't land to stable yet.
[16:49] <Verc> 14.10 or 15.04?
[16:50] <peat-psuwit> Verc: Opps. I mean 15.04
[16:50] <peat-psuwit> Verc: Use vivid channel or, if you're on the bleeding-edge, vivid-proposed.
[16:51] <Verc> CHANNEL=vivid?
[16:53] <peat-psuwit> Verc: Yes.
[16:53] <Verc> mtp://[usb:003,006]/Nexus%204/Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/image20150428_080927237.jpg mtp://[usb:003,006]/Nexus%204/Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/image20150428_083057384.jpg mtp://[usb:003,006]/Nexus%204/Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/image20150428_085342139.jpg mtp://[usb:003,006]/Nexus%204/Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/image20150428_085418878.jpg mtp://[usb:003,006]/Nexus%204/Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/image20150428_092259225.jpg mtp://[u
[16:54] <Verc> sorry
[16:54] <Verc> not this
[16:54] <Verc> Channel vivid not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com
[16:54] <peat-psuwit> Verc: Opps. My fault again. Should be "ubuntu-touch/vivid".
[16:55] <Verc> yep
[16:55] <Verc> it works!
[16:56] <peat-psuwit> Verc: I'm not so sure how fresh is "ubuntu-touch/vivid". If you get very old image, try "ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed"
[16:57] <Verc> ok :)
[16:57] <Verc> thanks :)
[16:58] <kissiel> Mirv, Hiya! Got a second?
[17:04] <guideX> how does my telecom co go about selling ubuntu phones?
[17:05] <peat-psuwit> Anyone using supported device please tell me, when you enable bluetooth on the device and use another device to find Ubuntu touch device, if the device is seen as a phone?
[17:07] <popey> peat-psuwit: no, it shows as a computer
[17:08]  * mcphail wonders if that is why his car can't see his phone
[17:09] <peat-psuwit> popey: Ok, then it's not unexpected. I tough it's problem on my port.
[17:10]  * peat-psuwit wonders if there's the bug report.
[17:16] <mcphail> do any of the channels have debugging symbols installed by default?
[17:18] <ogra_> nope
[17:18] <mcphail> That's a shame. Is it possible to have one?
[17:18] <ogra_> if you would install all ddebs you wouldnt have enough diskspace i fear :)
[17:18] <mcphail> ogra_: libc and the qt libs would be nice, though
[17:19] <mcphail> ogra_: would give unbroken backtraces
[17:19] <ogra_> and then someone hits a bug in another lib and wants his ddebs too ... and the next one etc etc ...
[17:19] <ogra_> the reason we allow to make the images writable is that you can then install ddebs
[17:19] <mcphail> ogra_: surely that would be fine for a development channel?
[17:20] <ogra_> not really ... even developers dont like gigabyte big images
[17:20] <ogra_> just install the ddebs you need after making it writable
[17:20] <mcphail> ddeb?
[17:22] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash?highlight=%28ddebs%29#Non-built-in_debug_symbol_packages_.28.2A-dbgsym.29
[17:26] <mcphail> ogra_: that still requires either using apt-get on the device or downloading on the computer and dpkg -i, though, doesn't it?
[17:27] <ogra_> mcphail, yes
[17:27] <mcphail> ogra_: and how far can you go without breaking updates etc?
[17:27] <ogra_> having all ddebs in the image would make you end up with a 5-10G image i guess
[17:27] <ogra_> you shouldnt do that on a production device at all
[17:28] <mcphail> ogra_: so no debugging for me :(
[17:28] <ogra_> iirc there are ways to re-process the core dumps from errors.u.c
[17:28] <ogra_> on a device with the debug symbols added... dont ask me how though :)
[17:29] <mcphail> ogra_: I saw a steam youtube video once about running a symbols server. Would it be possible to run a symbols server on the development computer being used to remote debug?
[17:29] <mcphail> (I didn't really understand the process)
[17:29] <ogra_> thats beyond my knnowledge ... you should ask bdmurray (in #ubuntu-devel) or pitti
[17:30] <mcphail> ok - will do a bit of reading and ask later. Thanks
[17:31]  * mcphail thinks gdbserver should be installed by default, even if the symbols aren;t
[17:57] <frankie_> hey guys
[17:58] <frankie_> are there any plans to port utouch to nexus 9?
[17:58] <frankie_> couldn't find anything online, and the good keyboard integration makes it the perfect device imo
[18:55] <ogra_> mpt, do we have a UI for VPN laid out already ?
[19:08] <lila-link> hi
[19:21] <mhall119> ChickenCutlass: can you register as attending on summit.ubuntu.com so I can make you a host for your session?
[19:22] <ChickenCutlass> mhall119, ok
[19:22] <mhall119> pmcgowan: ^^ you too please
[19:23] <mhall119> and bfiller
[19:24] <mhall119> and ogra_
[19:24] <ogra_> bah ... the auto-registration we had the last years made me lazy :P
[19:24] <mhall119> and finally rsalveti
[19:25] <mhall119> ogra_: we never had auto-registration
[19:25] <mhall119> you had to either register in launchpad or in summit, but it was always manual
[19:25] <ogra_> then i just had good managers that did it for me in the past i guess :)
[19:25] <mhall119> that could have been
[19:26] <nik90> jhodapp: ping
[19:26] <jhodapp> nik90, pong
[19:27] <nik90> jhodapp: hey, I just noticed that when podbird is running in the background playing a online stream, if you open a number of apps such that you hit the memory limit where podbird is killed by the system, the playback also stops..Shouldn't media-hub prevent that?
[19:28] <jhodapp> nik90, nope, when the client application goes away so does the media-hub playback session
[19:28] <jhodapp> nik90, we may do what you said in the future after we get some additional lifecycle additions into UT
[19:28] <nik90> jhodapp: hmm..so there is never a way to ensure that the playback continues regardless of the state of the system.
[19:29] <tenleftfingers> nik90: I've noticed that problem. Playback will eventually stop when PodBird is in the background. Also, it doesn't resume playback from the right place (and sometimes it starts from the beginning again): https://bugs.launchpad.net/podbird/+bug/1449719
[19:29] <jhodapp> nik90, not at present, no
[19:29] <nik90> tenleftfingers: yes, I was able to confirm that after seeing your bug report and came here looking for the answer
[19:30] <cwayne_> tenleftfingers, ping
[19:30] <nik90> jhodapp: ok. I will add media-hub to that bug report .. is there any project that tracks the lifecycle rules that I shoudl mark as affected?
[19:31] <tenleftfingers> cwayne_: hi
[19:31] <cwayne_> tenleftfingers, hiya, was just looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/today-scope/+bug/1446766 again, wondering if it goes away if you click 'skip and setup later'
[19:32] <tenleftfingers> cwayne_: let me check
[19:32] <jhodapp> nik90, add qtmir
[19:32] <popey> and assign it to tvoss :)
[19:32] <nik90> jhodapp: thnx
[19:32] <jhodapp> nik90, np
[19:32] <nik90> popey: I dont have permissions to do so ;)
[19:32] <ahayzen> jhodapp, nik90, i assume we'll need this when the music-app starts using the background playlists and the lifecycle exception has gone? ;)
[19:33] <tenleftfingers> cwayne_: I believe so. But I had the impression I was missing info on my Today scope then. In fact, I don't see anything google-related on it even now.
[19:33] <nik90> ahayzen: definitely
[19:33] <popey> well, i think it's reasonable that when the client app goes away, media stops
[19:33] <popey> how else will you stop the media otherwise?
[19:33] <nik90> ahayzen: I guess podbird is becoming your testbed
[19:33] <jhodapp> ahayzen, we don't *need* it then, but yes it would naturally be related
[19:33] <nik90> popey: well when the user returns to the app, they stop it
[19:33] <ahayzen> hang on i thought you meant when it was OOM'd...
[19:33]  * ahayzen reads again
[19:33] <cwayne_> tenleftfingers, right, so we may need to change that a bit, google can be used to sync your calendar events, which would show up in the events section
[19:34] <nik90> ahayzen: we are indeed discussing when it gets OOM'd
[19:34] <jhodapp> or MPRIS control from indicator-sound
[19:34] <popey> ok, and what if I think "this app is rubbish, it died" and uninstall it
[19:34] <popey> the audio is still playing from an app that's removed
[19:34] <ahayzen> popey, so if i start playing music...browse the web browser open loads of tabs...music gets OOM'd audio should stop?!
[19:34] <tenleftfingers> cwayne_: Ah, yes. The events. I'm pretty sure that you're right about it being dismissable.
[19:34] <ahayzen> popey, surely when you go back to the app from the spread it would be restored?
[19:34] <nik90> popey: well would you uninstall an app that is currently playing music?
[19:35] <popey> I would uninstall an app I thought was bad, sure
[19:35] <cwayne_> tenleftfingers, yeah, it should be
[19:35] <cwayne_> we need to do that better I think
[19:35] <nik90> the least I would expect is a user to close the app from the spread before prorceeding to uninstall it :P
[19:35] <popey> especially if I saw that the app had died and it was still playing
[19:35] <nik90> but yeah there are some edge cases like you mention
[19:35] <cwayne_> but anyway, I'm going to mark that specific bug invalid since dismissing it goes away
[19:35] <popey> I might thing "wow, this is terrible, I can still hear it even after it died, get rid!"
[19:35] <cwayne_> tenleftfingers, but thank you for logging it!
[19:35] <ahayzen> closing from the spread should stop the audio...but the app being OOM'd should not?
[19:35] <tenleftfingers> cwayne_: Sure, np. Thank you!
[19:35]  * popey is somewhat playing devils advocate
[19:35] <popey> but we have enough of those so I'll stop now
[19:36] <nik90> ahayzen: well the thing is *all apps* get OOM'd and there is nothing to prevent it.
[19:36] <jhodapp> lol
[19:36] <ahayzen> nik90, music doesn't at the moment hehe ;)
[19:36] <nik90> right it kind of sucks for app devs that their music apps gets killed
[19:36] <nik90> ahayzen: well not for too long
[19:36] <nik90> :P
[19:36] <ahayzen> but yeah if the app is in the spread the audio stream should keep going then if it is killed it should be stopped..simple
[19:37] <ahayzen> jhodapp, is the plan to allow other apps to have their controls in the sound-indicator as well... eg podbird?
[19:37] <jhodapp> ahayzen, no, one global control...not like the desktop
[19:37] <tenleftfingers> ahayzen: amen. If the app stops playing when it's not in the foreground then it's pretty useless to the user given how productive they can be on this particular OS.
[19:38] <ahayzen> interesting... assuming you can only have 1 thing playing at a time then
[19:38] <ahayzen> tenleftfingers, exactly, when on the bus i have music in the background then i read emails/browser web/social media etc
[19:38] <nik90> ahayzen: well that is true though right? only one thing can play at a time..
[19:39] <jhodapp> ahayzen, yes indeed
[19:39] <ahayzen> nik90, yeah, could be fun when you have two apps open and you press pause...then play etc lol
[19:39] <Elleo> popey: under OOM circumstances the user shouldn't think the app has died, since under with the correct implementation the app should restore to its pre-killed state (and still appears in the app switcher all this time)
[19:39] <jhodapp> ahayzen, but I don't know all of the details yet, design is finishing up that UX plan
[19:39] <ahayzen> jhodapp, understood
[19:39] <Elleo> -under*
[19:40] <nik90> popey: ha there's your answer :)
[19:40] <ahayzen> yeah what Elleo said :) therefore the audio should keep going even under OOM
[19:40] <nik90> popey: in fact we have a branch where we use the SDK's statesaver to restore podbird state to what it was before it was OOM'd
[19:40] <bfiller> mhall119: done
[19:40] <popey> true
[19:41] <mhall119> thanks bfiller
[19:41] <ahayzen> nik90, you just saving the currenttab with the statesaver?
[19:42]  * ahayzen has a branch for music that stores the whole stack so it is restorable, even after an app restart
[19:42] <nik90> ahayzen: for now yes...I am planning on other stuff like playback state to ensure that the bottom bar gets shown appropriately when it returns
[19:42] <nik90> ahayzen: do you store anything else?
[19:42] <ahayzen> we are just deciding if you would want you whole stack restored after an app restart
[19:43] <ahayzen> nik90, well i've done it in the Settings API not statesaver
[19:43] <nik90> ahayzen: why? I thought the SDK statesaver was built for this very purpose
[19:43] <ahayzen> nik90, playground here :) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/music-app/refactor-store-full-tab-path/revision/852
[19:43] <Elleo> \
[19:43] <ahayzen> nik90, well i was thinking about restoring it even after the app has restarted
[19:43] <Elleo> oops
[19:43] <nik90> ahayzen: also statesavers comes into effect *only* when the app is OOM'd
[19:43] <nik90> ahayzen: ah ok
[19:43] <ahayzen> nik90, just to play about .. not sure if to go for it yet still playing about
[19:44] <nik90> ahayzen: well if you want the state restoration even after a normal exit, then settings api is the way to go. I guess there is a design decision involved then
[19:45] <ahayzen> nik90, yeah exactly
[21:28] <jhodapp> popey, ping
[21:28] <popey> jhodapp: pong
[21:28] <jhodapp> popey, can you give silo 25 a quick fix for this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu-media/+bug/1438115
[21:29] <popey> hmmm
[21:29] <jhodapp> popey, on arale
[21:29] <popey> jhodapp: how do I install that?
[21:30] <jhodapp> popey, citrain device-upgrade 25 <device_passphrase> ubuntu
[21:32] <popey> ok
[21:35] <popey> jhodapp: yup, fixed
[21:36] <jhodapp> popey, yay awesome
[21:36] <jhodapp> thanks!
[21:36] <popey> np
[21:36] <popey> Thank you!
[21:36] <popey> ahayzen: ^
[21:36] <ahayzen> popey \o/ yey thanks for the quick fix jhodapp :D
[21:39] <jhodapp> np
[21:39] <jhodapp> it was a good bug to get fixed, would have shown up in other places
[22:05] <nik90> hmm this just happened https://imgur.com/WnwPa5v and I am scarred to use UT as my daily phone a bit
[22:09] <dexteruk> Hi Everyone, just getting to know ubuntu-touch, there seems to be a lot of android stuff boot-loaders, browser etc in here, or have i got it wrong
[22:13] <dexteruk> I have just got the bq Ubuntu Phone, its really want to get to know the OS more, for example how are the drivers loaded as i see nothing in lsmod
[22:18] <Elleo> jdstrand: heya; from the perspective of apps accessing the SD card is there any reason why we apps couldn't have confined access to <SD_Card>/<app_id>? It'd be a massive benefit for apps like podbird or cutespotify, where they download lots of data for use internally to be able to save them direct to the SD card without needing special permissions
[22:19] <dexteruk> why webkit not gecko?
[22:19] <Elleo> -we*
[22:19] <Elleo> dexteruk: the browser uses oxide, which is our own chromium based rendering library
[22:20] <Elleo> dexteruk: and the android stuff is purely for device drivers
[22:20] <Elleo> dexteruk: they get loaded within an LXC container, but I don't know much in the way of details beyond that
[22:22] <dexteruk> Because to be honest im gettting really feed up with big business saying what people can and cannot do, i got the ubuntu phone because i want to have a say... I dont want to be told that videos cannot be played on mobile devices, or 3G dongles wont work in your tablet
[22:23] <dexteruk> Surely we should have control over what the outside world sees from us
[22:24] <dexteruk> if i want to be seen as a mobile device i will goto the mobile version of the site
[22:29] <dexteruk> So please any developers out there, please make ubuntu touch people centric, give us control, let us decide what we share with the outside world
[22:33] <alesage> ahayzen, ping, have a music app weirdness to report, referred by jhodapp
[22:33] <ahayzen> alesage, o/ define weirdness ;)
[22:33] <dexteruk> Elleo: Thanks for the info, sorry for the rant just a little pissed with Android and generally anything to do with big business, i love anything open source its the only way forward
[22:34] <alesage> ahayzen, song view, I seem to have a poisoned track which when tapped opens player-view but won't play, UI appears frozen briefly, later 'back' works, repeat
[22:35] <alesage> ahayzen, unfortunately it'd be hard to reproduce *all* of my actions leading to this point but I can get logs, etc.
[22:35] <ahayzen> alesage, sounds magical :) what format is the file?
[22:36] <alesage> ahayzen, plays otherwise, mp3 I think
[22:36] <ahayzen> alesage, are you able to send me that file that is having an issue... or is there anythign strange in the media-hub/music-app logs?
[22:37] <alesage> ahayzen, I'm tailing the music-app log, propose to send all, there are some error-ish items here
[22:37] <alesage> ahayzen, I'll open a bug?
[22:37] <ahayzen> alesage, could you pastebin them so i can see?
[22:40] <alesage> ahayzen, this'll be quite long http://paste.ubuntu.com/10931107
[22:40] <ahayzen> alesage, do you know what the track is called so i can find it?
[22:41] <ahayzen> alesage, 04- A Waste Land.mp3?
[22:41] <alesage> ahayzen, Gopacapulco :)
[22:42] <ahayzen> alesage, nothing unusual in the logs... can you pastebin the media-hub one as well?
[22:42] <alesage> ahayzen, one sec
[22:42] <ahayzen> alesage, also which device is this?
[22:42] <ahayzen> alesage, oh hang on...
[22:43] <alesage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10931155
[22:43] <ahayzen> Caught runtime exception from mediascanner:  Could not find media ///home/phablet/Music/music to test by/01 - Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - Gopacapulco.mp3
[22:43] <alesage> ahayzen, ^^
[22:43] <ahayzen> alesage, mediascanner2 log as well please :)
[22:43] <alesage> now my poor taste in music is exposed to the intarnetz
[22:44] <ahayzen> lol
[22:44] <alesage> ahayzen, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10931175/
[22:44] <jhodapp> lol
[22:45] <jhodapp> ahayzen, that's normal
[22:45] <ahayzen> oh its not ms2 for once :) magic
[22:46] <ahayzen> its weird like the lookup in ms2 failed once...other than that when it has been attempted to be played music-app seems ok
[22:46] <jhodapp> ahayzen, I'll probably even be ripping out that code eventually once the tracklist stuff is complete
[22:46] <ahayzen> alesage, are you able to send me the track?
[22:47] <alesage> ahayzen, sure via e-mail maybe?
[22:47] <ahayzen> alesage, yeah or i can download via a cloud share?
[22:47] <melvster> hi guys ... ubuntu touch is awesome, I just bought a touch screen acer v11 and put ubuntu 15.10 on it ... it all works perfectly like a tablet, has this been true since 14.04 or is it new for 15.10?   AMAZING!!
[22:47] <ahayzen> whichever is easiest
[22:48] <melvster> most of what I use is responsive web apps anyway, so it really is a tablet experience for me out of the box ...
[22:48] <ahayzen> jhodapp, you don't see anything odd in this media-hub log http://paste.ubuntu.com/10931155/ when playing  "Gopacapulco" ?
[22:50] <ahayzen> alesage, is it bad if it plays on my device?
[22:51] <jhodapp> ahayzen, nope, looks good to me...someone played it, paused it and then stopped
[22:51] <ahayzen> alesage, are you on arale?
[22:51] <alesage> ahayzen, yessir
[22:51] <ahayzen> alesage, have you updated to the latest latest image? yesterdays one was a bit broken
[22:51] <alesage> again it plays under other scenarios, just found a blockage and wanted to report in case there's a real bug there
[22:51] <alesage> ahayzen, yes I'm fresh as of 30 min, image-testing as it happens
[22:52] <ahayzen> hmm
[22:52] <ahayzen> alesage, are you able to isolate the logs around a specific instance of the issue?
[22:52] <ahayzen> as there are lots of repeats and its difficult to tell which one may be the one that plays/doesn't play
[22:52] <jhodapp> melvster, glad you like it!
[22:52] <alesage> actually it's at the very end, ahayzen, stopped activity to report
[22:53] <alesage> I'll produce a fresh one if that helps
[22:53] <ahayzen> hmmm
[22:53] <melvster> jhodapp: I love it, been running ubuntu touch on the nexus4 for a year now, but this is a whole new level on a 11 inch screen, do you know which version of ubuntu this happened in, is it new for 15.10?
[22:53] <alesage> freaky, right?
[22:53] <ahayzen> alesage, so what exactly happens it just stops and doesn't play?
[22:54] <jhodapp> melvster, I don't, it's been in there for a while to my knowledge
[22:54] <melvster> awesome!  great work all! :D
[22:54] <alesage> song view, songs listed => tap gopacapulco => player view opens, no sound, UI appears unresponsive
[22:54] <alesage> moments later, 'back' works, go back and repeat indefinitely
[22:55] <alesage> seems to be the same for other songs fwiw
[22:55] <alesage> my queue is in a weird state maybe
[22:55] <ahayzen> and does the sound ever work?
[22:55] <ahayzen> if you then say hit play?
[22:56] <alesage> ahayzen, no never
[22:56] <ahayzen> magic
[22:56] <alesage> ahayzen, actually exploring a little, e.g. through album view, same phenomenon from all when entering the player proper, no sound
[22:57] <ahayzen> alesage, jhodapp, this part sounds bad... Failed to start a new media-hub player session:  org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[22:57] <ahayzen> Failed to create a new media player backend. Video playback will not function.
[22:57] <ahayzen> L1529 as the app is starting
[22:57] <ahayzen> alesage, has your media-hub-server crashed?
[22:58] <jhodapp> ahayzen, seems media-hub died
[22:58] <ahayzen> ...L1529 in this log http://paste.ubuntu.com/10931107/
[22:58] <ahayzen> does that show up in the media-hub log though? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10931155/
[22:58] <alesage> fwiw http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10931358/ jhodapp ahayzen
[22:58]  * ahayzen blames jhodapp ;)
[22:58] <jhodapp> alesage, it's set to auto restart, so it's probably a new media-hub-server process
[22:59] <alesage> pid looks low though . . .
[22:59] <alesage> if I bounce it and it works what does that mean?
[23:01] <alesage> nothing of interest in topo
[23:02] <alesage> I feel like we don't have quite enough infos for a real bug here, is there more to collect jhodapp ahayzen ?
[23:02] <alesage> s/topo/top/
[23:02] <jhodapp> alesage, not really, if you can reproduce this again and again then I'd say file a bug
[23:02] <jhodapp> might just be an edge case instance
[23:03] <alesage> jhodapp, ok we'll archive what we have and I'll start fresh
[23:03] <jhodapp> alesage, ok awesome
[23:12] <mcphail> Can anyone confirm a bug in the music app/ media player for me?
[23:12] <ahayzen> mcphail, i can in music.. which bug?
[23:13] <mcphail> ahayzen: music player/media app won't play a file in a subdirectory with a # symbol in the path
[23:13] <mcphail> ahayzen: e.g. not under "30 #1 hits"
[23:14] <mcphail> ahayzen: i _think_ this is what is causing my problem...
[23:14] <ahayzen> mcphail, interesting ... let me try
[23:15] <ahayzen> mcphail, yeah that breaks it
[23:15] <mcphail> ahayzen: is it the music player or media-hub which breaks?
[23:15] <ahayzen> mcphail, music
[23:15] <mcphail> ahayzen: ok, i'll file a bug
[23:16] <ahayzen> mcphail, hang on just want to check which project to file against...
[23:16] <mcphail> ok
[23:16] <ahayzen> jhodapp, i'm getting this back http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10931522/ is this us or you?
[23:16] <jhodapp> all you ;)
[23:17] <jhodapp> haha, let me look
[23:17]  * ahayzen spots ms2 mentioned
[23:17] <ahayzen> maybe its the third part of the triangle this time
[23:17] <jhodapp> ahayzen, that's an error that gstreamer couldn't decode the file
[23:17] <ahayzen> ah
[23:17] <ahayzen> jhodapp, #'s are allowed in uris right?
[23:18] <jhodapp> ahayzen, in theory, but try without it
[23:18] <ahayzen> jhodapp, well the bug mcphail is reporting is that if you have a # it breaks audio playback...i just added a # and now i can't play that track
[23:19] <ahayzen> jhodapp, just wondered if the bug should be against music/mh or?
[23:19] <jhodapp> ahayzen, seems it's gstreamer since it got down to the mh level, so file it against mh
[23:19] <ahayzen> ok mcphail ^^ against media-hub please https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub
[23:20] <mcphail> ahayzen: will do
[23:20] <ahayzen> mcphail, and if you reference that pastebin it could be useful
[23:20] <mcphail> ahayzen: np
[23:20] <jhodapp> thanks mcphail
[23:20] <ahayzen> thanks
[23:29] <mcphail> bug 1449790 reported
[23:30] <ahayzen> mcphail, thanks :)
[23:31] <mcphail> ahayzen: my pleasure


[05:39] <mup> PR snapd#11914 opened: cmd/snap-update-ns: workaround for failed removal of mount point <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11914>
[07:25] <mup> PR snapd#11862 closed: tests: add nested test variant that adds 4k sector size <Squash-merge> <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11862>
[07:25] <mup> PR snapd#11913 closed: cmd/snap: fix test failing due to timezone differences <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11913>
[08:25] <mup> PR snapd#11889 closed: interfaces/apparmor: add missing apparmor rules for journal namespaces <Needs Samuele review> <quota> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11889>
[09:05] <mup> PR snapd#11888 closed: overlord/servicestate: refresh security profiles when services are affected by quotas <Needs Samuele review> <quota> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11888>
[10:00] <mup> PR snapd#11908 closed: tests: add spread test for migrate-home command <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11908>
[10:17] <lissyx> hello
[10:17] <lissyx> is there some more complete doc other than https://api.snapcraft.io/docs/ ?
[10:36] <mardy> lissyx: hi! If we had more complete documentation, then we'd move it there :-) But please ask what is interesting to you, we do have specific tutorial for some use-cases
[10:43] <lissyx> mardy, I'm trying to understand how I can get a list of all revisions ever published of a snap
[10:44] <lissyx> right now I'm able to hit https://api.snapcraft.io/docs/info.html and get a list of all those currently available
[10:44] <lissyx> now I dont know if I'm unable to access more because it cannot be access or if it is related to the limitation for non contributors of a snap
[10:44] <lissyx> and if it's the latter, I fail to find clear docs on how to auth myself with this api
[10:44] <mardy> lissyx: I'm afraid that there isn't such an API; as a matter of fact, when I had to look up such information, I was told to get in touch with the people handling the Snap Store
[10:47] <lissyx> that's really limiting :/
[11:46] <mup> PR snapd#11915 opened: overlord/servicestate:restart the relevant journald service when a journal quota group is modified <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11915>
[11:46] <mup> PR snapd#11916 opened: tests: add spread test for journal quotas <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11916>
[14:26] <mup> PR snapd#11917 opened: many: add optional primary key provenance to snap-revision, alllow delegating via snap-declaration revision-authority <snap-revision-delegation> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11917>
[14:36] <mup> PR snapd#11918 opened: tests: fix nested/manual/connections test <Simple 😃> <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11918>
[16:07] <ErkiS> does anybody have experience with building Python apps into snaps?
[16:07] <ErkiS> the problem I have is that the package setup.py script creates executables as is good and proper, but they go under /usr/local/bin, which snapcraft fails to access.
[19:46] <lissyx> mardy, so I have been granted access to contributor status on the firefox package, and I can see much more revisions on the dashboard
[19:46] <lissyx> mardy, given the data, I assume it is coming from the same API
[19:46] <lissyx> mardy, I failed to understand how to use auth though :) https://api.snapcraft.io/docs/auth.html
[19:46] <lissyx> mardy, I'd be thankful of hints on that matter :)
[19:57] <mardy> lissyx: mmm... to be honest, it's fairly cryptic to me too. There's an API to retrieve a nonce, but then it's not clear where you have to use it :-)
[20:00] <mardy> wgrant: hi! Are you familiar with the Snap Store API, to help lissyx?
[23:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#3810 closed: extensions: method to get data dir <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3810>