[07:49] <surendra> Hi
[07:50] <surendra> please help me out
[15:38]  * hyperair wonders if it would be a wise idea to stick the zen kernel in ubuntu's repositories. say universe or something.
[19:59] <Womble2> Where is the udev package maintained in Ubuntu? I can see information about the upstream package on Launchpad, but no sign of a repository for the Ubuntu package.
[20:59] <JanC> Womble2: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/udev/ubuntu/changes probably?
[21:00] <JanC> (found from the link at the bottom of http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/karmic/udev )
[21:01] <Womble2> Thanks, I don't really know my way around Launchpad
[21:42] <JanC> Womble2: packages.ubuntu.com is often very useful in case you want to know something about a package  ツ
[21:42] <JanC> (and packages.debian.org for Debian packages)
[21:46] <Womble2> JanC: Thanks, I know Debian stuff as I am a DD
[21:47] <JanC> Womble2: cool
[21:49] <JanC> Womble2: udev is maintained by Keybuk in Ubuntu (who seems to be off-line currently)
[21:57] <Womble2> JanC: Yes, I worked that out - have sent him email


[08:13] <Admiral_Chicago> here is a wild question. how do we deal with stack traces of bugs like Bug #117827
[08:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117827 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117827
[08:31] <Admiral_Chicago> also, i think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Procedures could use some major love
[08:40] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: that crash looks a dup of bug 91519
[08:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91519 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@~nsCOMPtr_base]  [@~nsInstallInfo]  [@nsSoftwareUpdate::InstallJarCallBack] " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91519
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> really? i'm not good with retraces yet, working on it
[08:42] <hjmf> not sure, but the retrace is quite close
[08:42] <hjmf> however, lets wait for reporters feedback
[08:43] <hjmf> he/she hasn't described what happened
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> hjmf: ah so it is..
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> perhaps installing an extension..the "Install jar" leads me to think so
[08:46] <hjmf> I think so too
[08:47] <hjmf> If you look at the *master's* duplicate, the guy was installing a extension when it crashed
[08:48] <hjmf> ... bug 107245
[08:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107245 in firefox "[EDGY]  firefox crashed [@ ??]  [@ ~nsCOMPtr_base]  [@ ~~nsInstallInfo]  (dup-of: 91519)" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107245
[08:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91519 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@~nsCOMPtr_base]  [@~nsInstallInfo]  [@nsSoftwareUpdate::InstallJarCallBack] " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91519
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> ah yes. probably all related
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> brb, runing bughelper for a second...
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, we may need to create a clue file for this case then, i'm looking for the -nd fix to be released
[09:00] <Admiral_Chicago> bughelper -T firefox "dapper" "possibly related to #89704" -A -U -p firefox
[09:00] <Admiral_Chicago> crap...thats not what i wanted to say...
[09:00] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: isn't bug 89704 fix release? i could have sworn there was a backport...
[09:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89704 in firefox "No backport of Firefox 2.o to Dapper" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89704
[10:17] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: no we have no backport yet ... we started
[10:25] <Admiral_Chicago> ah okay. i thought it was released...
[10:26] <asac> ffox is out
[10:26] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:27] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i saw, should be released in a few days in the repos then?
[10:28] <Admiral_Chicago> bughelper is not playing nice on my computer, refuses to run any commands i pass it
[10:28] <Admiral_Chicago> bughelper -T audacity "XFreeFont" "possible duplicate of 87434" -A -U -p audacity
[10:28] <Admiral_Chicago> and it gives me a crash output
[10:40] <asac> i dislike mozilla today ... they really released with 1.5 days prenotice
[10:41] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: i will look into your bughelper when i need a break from firefox upgrading
[10:41] <asac> have you asked dholbach?
[10:42] <asac> or mr. korn :)?
[10:42] <Admiral_Chicago> i got someone to run it for me, i just get some off output
[10:42] <Admiral_Chicago> IOError: [Errno socket error]  (-2, 'Name or service not known')
[10:42] <Admiral_Chicago> which refers to bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Couldn't resolve host 'bazaar.launchpad.net' (-2, 'Name or service not known')
[10:43] <Admiral_Chicago> now I have a problem with some of the dups being marked as dupes incorrectly...not my problem right now.
[10:43] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll look at them after i update my blog.
[10:49] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: so clue files work ... but command-line doesn't ... wierd
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> i think i found an old bug report from a similar issues.
[10:51] <asac> anyone heard of david btw?
[10:51] <asac> when was his last mail about his father?
[10:57] <asac> hmm last mail mar 20
[11:27] <asac> source download creeping at 15k
[11:43] <gnomefreak> no
[11:50] <asac> dapper is spinning
[11:52] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:00] <asac> no <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:00] <asac> edgy and feisty get 2.x update
[12:02] <asac> gutsy is not yet prepared ... but won't be much a problem i guess
[12:02] <asac> only the mime patch has to be updated
[12:02] <asac> at best take the one released with xulrunner <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:02] <asac> (in debian)
[12:03] <gnomefreak> illl look at it sometime this morning
[12:04] <asac> yeah its all hurrily
[12:05] <asac> because mozilla again failed to give decent prenotice
[12:05] <asac> always the same
[12:05] <asac> probably we need to do daily builds to get security updates out in time
[12:06] <asac> nothing you need to bother of course
[12:06] <asac> solely my business to get this sorted out upstream
[12:14] <asac> :(
[12:21] <gnomefreak> failing to build?
[12:31] <asac> no ... just not happy about moz release procedures
[12:31] <asac> :)
[12:31] <asac> i am still on track
[12:31] <asac> :)
[12:32] <asac> gnomefreak: if you try gutsy, replace the gnome-mime patch with:
[12:32] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/25_gnome_helpers_with_params.dpatch
[12:33] <gnomefreak> ok ill start on it in about hour or so
[12:34] <asac> gnomefreak: bz273524-gnome-mime-registry-ubuntu.patch ... thats the patch to replace
[12:34] <asac> at best just replace the contents of that patch
[12:34] <asac> e.g. not remove and add new file
[12:34] <asac> and if you do so ... leave behind all the dpatch headings ... e.g. just the patch part in 25_gnom...
[12:35] <asac> ok ... edgy spinning
[12:54] <asac> ok everything spinning again ... had to adapt that patch properly for edgy and feisty as well
[12:54] <asac> should work out of the box for gutsy though
[01:03] <gnomefreak> grabbing sources
[01:04] <gnomefreak> version number should be <IP_ADDRESS>+4-0ubuntu1?
[01:04] <asac> he?
[01:04] <asac> please rethink :)
[01:04] <asac> use +1
[01:04] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1
[01:04] <gnomefreak> +1 oh becuse its a new version
[01:05] <asac> wait a second
[01:05] <gnomefreak> i added this upstream source to the +3
[01:05] <asac> might be wrong
[01:05] <asac> ok
[01:05] <asac> egdy will get <IP_ADDRESS>+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10
[01:05] <asac> feisty will get <IP_ADDRESS>+0-0ubuntu1
[01:05] <gnomefreak> what about feisty?
[01:06] <gnomefreak> so we can use +1-0ubuntu1
[01:06] <asac> sorry ... feisty will get <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1
[01:06] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:06] <asac> so gutsy will get +1
[01:06] <asac> +2
[01:06] <asac> :)
[01:06] <gnomefreak> that wont work than
[01:06] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS>+2-0ubuntu1
[01:06] <gnomefreak> so go with +2-0ubuntu1
[01:06] <asac> :)
[01:06] <asac> yep
[01:06] <gnomefreak> ok
[01:07] <asac> unfortunately all orig.tar.gz balls differ ... so this is really the way we have to go :(
[01:08] <gnomefreak> quick question after chaning debian/configure.in file is there something i need to run? example: aclocal or autoconf
[01:15] <DrMax_> I have a technical question about the cache
[01:15] <DrMax_> How are generated the "unique" filenames like F6E02EC4d01 ?
[01:15] <DrMax_> what hash function is used and does the filename have a structure ? (i.e, they're all ending in d01)
[01:15] <DrMax_> and, hi ;)
[01:16] <asac> why?
[01:16] <asac> why you wanna know?
[01:16] <asac> its usually just random
[01:17] <asac> maybe with a commom extension (e.g. d01)
[01:17] <DrMax_> it's probably not random because it must associate some kind of signature to a media
[01:18] <DrMax_> I want to know because I have a cache management system to code: I'm comparing options
[01:19] <asac> ah ok ... i have to do lunch  now ... will be back at 1200 UTC ... if you stay we can discuss thne
[01:19] <DrMax_> sure
[01:20] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, what?
[01:21] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: nevermind gwget was regenerating the control file. i am working on fixing that
[01:21] <gnomefreak> i changed debina/configure.in just not sure if i need to run anything after changing that
[01:21] <bluekuja> I changed the build deps
[01:21] <bluekuja> and it was building
[01:22] <bluekuja> dont know what you mean then
[01:22] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: clean was regenerating control file so when i grabbed source it was still << 2.19
[01:22] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: grab source and see what i mean
[01:22] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, oh ok^^
[01:23] <bluekuja> thanks for the info anyway
[01:25] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: yw this package has beena frigging nightmare
[01:26] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: I looked at it for the first time when I merged it
[01:26] <bluekuja> so I didnt know problems related
[01:26] <bluekuja> :)
[01:26] <gnomefreak> i got them
[02:49] <asac> hi porthose :)
[02:49] <porthose> Hi
[02:50] <porthose> I was still in the class room
[02:50] <asac> nice to have you here ... if you want you can take a look at the spec ... which basically outlines what to do
[02:50] <asac> porthose: yes lets talk later :)
[02:50] <asac> i am there as well
[02:52] <porthose> Works for me, the better half just got home and she want some attention
[02:52] <porthose> what time is good for you
[02:53] <asac> porthose: i am usually here during daylight in europr
[02:53] <asac> europe
[02:53] <asac> ... and at night often as well :)
[02:54] <porthose> lololo k Im in usa going back to class-room
[03:34] <asac> hjmf: have you read the mail from pitti to devel-discuss?
[03:36] <hjmf> asac: no. reading it now  thanks :)
[03:51] <asac> hjmf: if you have some time (no hurry) ... ping pitti on -devel
[03:53] <hjmf> ok
[03:54] <hjmf> asac: btw I've reviewed those mt-needtestcase I marked yesterday
[03:54] <asac> already finished?
[03:54] <hjmf> yes
[03:54] <asac> fine ... do we have a tag in wiki for that?
[03:54] <asac> so i can just press :)
[03:55] <hjmf> we haven't mt-reject-candidate yet on the wiki
[03:55] <hjmf> I guess
[03:55] <asac> right
[03:55] <asac> do we have candidates already?
[03:55] <asac> guess we have to add it manually once
[03:56] <asac> otherwise launchpad will confuse your script :)
[03:56] <hjmf> already done ^_^
[03:56] <asac> cool
[03:56] <hjmf> I'll fire up the script to append  that tag, it will be run daily, OK?
[03:57] <asac> sure
[03:57] <hjmf> then run! :)
[04:05] <hjmf> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox?field.tag=mt-reject-candidate
[04:08] <asac> hjmf: are those already auto-tagged?
[04:09] <hjmf> yes
[04:09] <asac> cool
[04:09] <hjmf> :)
[04:10] <gnomefreak> asac: what is best way to add contents of one patch to another already exsiting one?
[04:10] <asac> all?
[04:10] <asac> or just hunks?
[04:10] <gnomefreak> did you want me to add hunks or all
[04:10] <gnomefreak> the new patch you wrote
[04:10] <asac> i am missing the context atm
[04:10] <asac> sorry
[04:11] <asac> ah ... the new patch ... just replace all that is in current file with all that is in dpatch file
[04:12] <gnomefreak> you mean replace everything in the .patch file with everything from the .dpatch file (i hope or you spent the time to make patch for nothing)
[04:13] <gnomefreak> and leave everything down to Index: mozilla/uriloader/exthandler/Makefile.in
[04:18] <gnomefreak> nothing is really the same in the 2 patches  example Index: mozilla/uriloader/exthandler/Makefile.in 'VS'   [04:19] <gnomefreak> and everything above that point in orig patch
[04:23] <gnomefreak> asac: my questions summed up with parts of file.. http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/525749
[04:24] <asac> gnomefreak: just replace all
[04:24] <asac> its safer
[04:24] <asac> there is lots of unchanged stuff
[04:24] <gnomefreak> k
[04:24] <asac> and some changes have been dropped
[04:24] <asac> because have been dealt with by another bug-fix upstream
[04:24] <asac> etc.
[04:24] <gnomefreak> should i use old name or keep new name also
[04:24] <asac> its too hard to figure out by just looking at patches
[04:24] <asac> you would have to look at old code + new code + both bugs
[04:24] <asac> gnomefreak: wait a sec
[04:25] <gnomefreak> k
[04:25] <asac> drop the old patch from series and bzr
[04:26] <asac> and then call the new one
[04:26] <asac> bz273524-gnome-mime-registry-AFTER-bz373955.patch
[04:27] <asac> you have to add that to series (at the same position the old one was)
[04:28] <gnomefreak> ok gone from series and ill drop it from patches dir. but what do you mean from bzr as in the dir .bzr in source dir?
[04:29] <asac> bzr rm path/to/old/patch
[04:29] <asac> e.g.
[04:29] <asac> bzr add path/to/new/patch
[04:29] <asac> bzr rm path/to/old/patch
[04:30] <asac> edit path/to/series
[04:30] <asac> bzr commit -m "YOUR MESSAGE" path/to/new/patch path/to/old/patch path/to/series
[04:30] <asac> then push that branch to your private space in launchpad
[04:30] <asac> so I can pull yur changes and spin/upload
[04:30] <asac> of course please don't push unless you have sucessfully build from that
[04:31] <gnomefreak> k
[04:31] <asac> :)
[04:34] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[04:35] <asac> did you fail?
[04:35] <gnomefreak> i guess that would mean i have to clone firefox branch first.
[04:35] <asac> yeah ... build from bzr of course :)
[04:35] <gnomefreak> not a problem
[04:35] <asac> yeah :) ... its the new way .... so easy to *not* remember ;)
[04:36] <asac> soon there is devel meeting
[04:36] <asac> lets see what i can do before
[04:36] <asac> @schedule berlin
[04:36] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 31 May 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 23:00: Kubuntu Developers | 05 Jun 21:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team
[04:37] <gnomefreak> im gonna grab bzr and head to lunch/late breakfast
[04:37] <asac> yep
[04:38] <gnomefreak> bbiab
[06:06] <gnomefreak> asac: real fast: im supposed to upack upstream source and mv mozilla/* . right? (i havent build ff in a while)
[06:06] <asac> no
[06:06] <asac> ffox
[06:06] <asac> has unmodified
[06:06] <asac> just drop the tarball in the main dir
[06:07] <gnomefreak> thought so
[06:07] <asac> and tar it up (e.g. just tar cvzf ...orig.tar.gz firefox-xxxx/firefox*.tar.bz2
[06:07] <gnomefreak> what no update-orig?
[06:08] <asac> no
[06:08] <asac> its simple
[06:08] <asac> we don't modify
[06:08] <asac> or is there an update target?
[06:08] <asac> oh yeah there
[06:08] <asac> is
[06:08] <asac> .... you can use update-orig as well then
[06:08] <asac> :)
[06:08] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^^
[06:09] <asac> sorry for confusion
[06:09] <asac> if there is update-orig ... you can use it of course
[06:09] <gnomefreak> its all good
[06:09] <gnomefreak> ther eis
[06:09] <gnomefreak> there is
[06:38] <gnomefreak> well this is always a good frigging error :( ok i need to go for a bit. btw update-orig fails with cd: 1: can't cd to build-tree/mozilla
[06:38] <gnomefreak> make: *** No rule to make target `firefox-<IP_ADDRESS>-source.tar.bz2', needed by `/home/gnomefreak/gutsy_builds/firefox<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu-2.0.0.x/../firefox_<IP_ADDRESS>+3.orig.tar.gz'.  Stop.
[06:38] <gnomefreak> and no i dont have source for <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:40] <asac> hehe
[06:40] <asac> change version in changelog
[06:41] <asac> actually a good thing of update-orig is that it catches such a common glitch :)
[06:41] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^^
[06:41] <gnomefreak> k
[07:03] <gnomefreak> i think gutsy's dpkg is borked (it works with a non up-to-date dpkg but fails with a fully up-to-date dpkg) im out for a while will let you know if it fails later
[07:13] <gnomefreak> asac: i have to go for a while my carpel tunnel is acting up bad and i just took som muscle relaxers and pain killers. problem with build == bz366844-mozilla-configure-in-patch-to-workaround-gcc-visibility-bug.patch fails to apply. i will have to look at it tonight or tomorrow (as it stands atm)
[07:13] <gnomefreak> error == Hunk #1 FAILED at 2513.
[07:13] <gnomefreak> Hunk #2 FAILED at 2548.
[07:13] <gnomefreak> 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- rejects in file configure.in
[07:13] <gnomefreak> cu later
[07:15] <asac> gnomefreak: that patch as to be dropped
[07:15] <asac> same for bz358930-gradient-spread-method-pad-fix
[07:15] <asac> bz312998-GetVisibility-patch
[07:15] <asac> dunno if they are named exactly like that
[07:15] <asac> but i think so
[07:16] <gnomefreak> ok ill try again later
[08:42] <asac> k i am out ... will come by later maybe
[11:17] <Admiral_Chicago> back...
[11:24] <gnomefreak> asac: im not gonna beable to do this. more patches are failingPatch ubuntu-look-and-feel-patch.patch does not apply
[11:24] <gnomefreak> patching file browser/locales/en-US/chrome/browser-region/region.properties
[11:24] <gnomefreak> Hunk #1 FAILED at 8.
[11:24] <gnomefreak> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file browser/locales/en-US/chrome/browser-region/region.properties
[11:25] <gnomefreak> this is gonna need a full work up. you may want to build it (it would be faster and from what im seeing it is gonna be a long one.)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> bunch of Hunk #1 succeeded at 1525 (offset 2 lines).  with different patches different #'s and diff. lines


[00:27] <Burgundavia> akgraner: ping
[00:27] <akgraner> pong
[00:29] <akgraner> Burgundavia, hey - just segway me into the conversation and I'll give you a rundown :-)
[01:09] <lamont> what package has the "make me a bootable usb stick out of $THAT iso?" mad skilz in it?
[01:10] <wgrant> lamont: usb-creator
[01:10] <lamont> ta
[01:11] <lamont> google had just about gotten me there, once I thought to look harder
[01:11] <lamont> "... is the most advanced tool available able to make ..." <-- clear reason to relegate that package to universe
[01:18] <lamont> [1]+  Segmentation fault      usb-creator-gtk
[01:18] <lamont> hrmpf
[01:40] <lamont> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemLVMHowto <-- /me thanks people for writing up things to make manual silliness easier.
[01:51] <wgrant> lamont: Why not just use the automated options on the alternate/server CDs?
[01:53] <lamont> wgrant: machine kinda lacks a CD, and I kind of lack a USB CD, and usb-creator doesn't belive in alternate CDs
[01:59] <wgrant> lamont: Hm, odd. I thought that was meant to work.
[02:02] <lamont> well, once I get this happy, I get to deal with dueling boot loaders, so I forsee an imaging or two of the hard drive before all is happy
[07:29] <Arkaniad> Not fully sure if this is the place to ask this, but I might as well shoot. I'm trying to compile some C programs, namely ncurses. After struggling and thinking that I was missing an installed library and installing all of the ncurses-related packages, I found a larger problem: GCC, netbeans, ld etc don't know where to find the header or library files! what do I do to fix it?
[07:31] <TheMuso> Arkaniad: is there any particular reason you want to build ncurses?
[07:32] <Arkaniad> TheMuso: Well, considering that Java is my strongpoint, I just want to try other things. NCurses seems trivial and simple to do things, and I don't want to get into high-end GUI programming quite yet.
[07:34] <Arkaniad> But the same thing happens when i try gtk.
[07:34] <Arkaniad> I try going by #include<gtk/gtk.h>
[07:34] <Arkaniad> But that doesn't work. Unresolved references. (I meant include <)
[07:34] <Arkaniad> So it causes problems with everything
[07:34] <Arkaniad> I can do #include <absolute path to header.h>
[07:35] <Arkaniad> But then if the header references any other headers it goes kaput.
[07:36] <Arkaniad> So as you can see, it's sort-of a showstopper.
[07:39] <Arkaniad> So yeah.
[07:42] <nigelb> geser, persia, soren: ping.  Can you send a list of people who have been granted ubuntu membership via dmb to the news-team so we can publish it?
[07:42] <nigelb> We seem to be mising members coming from dmb
[07:56] <hyperair> what was that kernel option that allows you to stop the initrd in its tracks?
[07:57] <SwedeMike> hyperair: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[08:01] <hyperair> SwedeMike: thanks
[08:55] <pitti> Good morning
[08:55] <geser> Guten Morgen pitti
[08:57] <pitti> hey geser
[09:09] <wgrant> pitti: The logic in pkgstriptranslations scares me... you know that we can implement stuff in LP so you don't have to grep sources.list and apt-cache madison output, right?
[09:10] <pitti> wgrant: right, that bug was filed, and it's now on the soyuz' team's work list
[09:10] <pitti> wgrant: if it's any consolation, it scares me as well; we discussed it quite a bit before, and I think it's a "good enough" workaround for now
[09:40] <slangasek> james_w, lifeless: if someone misses a --fixes when doing a commit, is there an interface for adding this metadata after the fact?
[09:41] <james_w> slangasek: no, it is stored as a revision property
[09:41] <slangasek> ok
[09:41] <slangasek> lool: ^^
[09:41] <slangasek> james_w: thanks :)
[09:41] <james_w> slangasek: so it's either "uncommit" or "commit --unchanged --fixes"
[09:42] <james_w> everyone acknowledges that it's not ideal that the interface for this is so narrow
[09:44] <ccheney> slangasek: do you happen to know what the proper way to provide configuration for a package (say approx) in another package (uec-provisioning-mirror)?
[09:44] <ccheney> slangasek: is there a way to do this programatically? or should it just provide a document in eg README.Debian telling the user what to do?
[09:49] <ccheney> cjwatson: any ideas about what i asked slangasek above? :)
[09:53] <cjwatson> ccheney: if you're working on another package's configuration file, then that other package has to cooperate, for example by providing a way to include configuration from a directory
[09:54] <cjwatson> there's no policy-compliant way to override a package's configuration file in another package
[09:54] <slangasek> ccheney: mmh, there's no generic way to do this without cooperation... ok I'll let cjwatson field this one ;)
[09:54] <ccheney> cjwatson: ah ok, yea i know you could do a replaces but that is pretty bad idea
[09:54] <ccheney> thanks guys :)
[09:55] <cjwatson> yeah, if you try that then things will likely break the next time approx is upgraded
[09:55] <cjwatson> or at least if it changes its copy of the file
[09:55] <cjwatson> I suspect the behaviour is undefined then
[09:56] <ccheney> ok
[09:57] <ccheney> in approx case there is no default configuration so adding one for it might be useful, but its good to know the general case the package whose configuration you want to change needs to be the one to do it
[09:58] <ccheney> for approx it has an example configuration file but its not set up to actually mirror anything by default
[10:01]  * ccheney isn't sure whether changing approx in ubuntu is worth the delta though
[10:11] <tumbleweed> ccheney: isn't apt-cacher-ng configured out the box?
[10:12] <nigelb> james_w: fixing it onces it lands on LP is okay too? through the merge interface...
[10:15] <james_w> nigelb: sorry, I don't understand?
[10:15] <nigelb> james_w: er, missing --fixes
[10:22] <mantiena-baltix> Hello all
[10:24] <mantiena-baltix> I'm looking for Ubuntu 10.04.1 testing CD images, should I use these - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lucid/daily-live/current/ ?
[10:25] <nigelb> yep, as the title says Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS
[10:26] <mantiena-baltix> nigelb: according to build logs these images contains packages from lucid-proposed repository, is this ok?
[10:26] <mantiena-baltix> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/lucid/ubuntu/current/livecd-20100719-i386.out
[10:26] <nigelb> im not sure, but I would suggest asking in #ubuntu-quality to confirm
[10:27] <mantiena-baltix> nigelb: ok, thanks
[10:28] <james_w> nigelb: you can add it at any time
[10:30] <quadrispro> hi guys
[10:36] <ccheney> tumbleweed: will have to take a look
[10:37] <ccheney> tumbleweed: does it work well? a year or so ago when i tested out the various proxy/mirror scripts it seemed all were broken but approx
[10:38] <tumbleweed> ccheney: my view is that all are broken except acng :)
[10:41] <ccheney> tumbleweed: ok :) well if it actually works at all then its probably not broken :)
[10:42] <tumbleweed> heh, yes. Before that I used squid, which also works well, but not as efficient
[11:03] <smoser> cjwatson, can  i get some of your time today or tomorrow ?
[11:05] <cjwatson> smoser: yes
[11:06] <smoser> time that works best for you ?
[11:07] <cjwatson> smoser: this afternoon is fine
[11:07] <smoser> good deal. thanks.
[14:41] <pitti> ev: I just replied to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ev/ubuntu/maverick/jockey/auto_install/+merge/30079, FYI
[14:41] <ev> cool, thanks
[14:42] <ev> okay, I'll make those changes
[14:42] <pitti> ev: are you interested in writing a test case yourself?
[14:42] <ev> pitti: sure, should be straightforward enough
[14:42] <pitti> right
[16:39] <tkamppeter> pitti, SRU uploaded for bug 576705.
[17:27] <pitti> tkamppeter: I saw, will do some queue action tomorrow morning
[17:27] <pitti> thanks!
[20:18] <Fazer2> hey, I have a problem with creating a DEB package for my Qt app
[20:18] <Fazer2> I followed this tutorial - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide/QtApplication
[20:18] <Fazer2> but after  debuild -S  I get lots of errors and it fails
[20:19] <Fazer2> I think the problem lies in debian/rules file, which I copy-pasted from the site
[20:19] <Fazer2> I think I should modify it, but I don't know how
[20:19] <Fazer2> the log is here - http://codepad.org/eBhgagFR
[20:20] <micahg> Fazer2: try #ubuntu-packaging
[20:21] <Fazer2> micahg: thanks
[21:00] <geser> any archive admin around who could move gcj-native-helper from universe to main on i386? for all other archs the package is already in main but not for i386
[21:06] <Riddell> Fazer2: did you get sorted?
[21:07] <Riddell> geser: please file a bug, I'll get to it tomorrow
[21:07] <Fazer2> Riddell: sorted? what does that mean?
[21:08] <Riddell> Fazer2: did you get your packaging done?
[21:08] <Fazer2> Riddell: I've read irc logs from your packaging sessions
[21:08] <Fazer2> Riddell: no, I still have problem
[21:09] <Fazer2> Riddell: I went to #ubuntu-packaging and yofel adviced me to use /usr/share/doc/debhelper/examples/rules.arch instead of the one from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide/QtApplication
[21:10] <Fazer2> Riddell: thanks to it debuild -S works now, but pbuilder build fails
[21:11] <Riddell> Fazer2: what about just using debuild to compile the package?
[21:11] <Riddell> Fazer2: also can you pastebin your debian/rules ?
[21:12] <Fazer2> Riddell: ok, wait a sec
[21:12] <ion> fazer2: I’d use neither. A dh7-style debian/rules is nicer.
[21:12] <ion> /usr/share/doc/debhelper/examples/rules.tiny
[21:13] <Riddell> ion: let's not get distracted
[21:15] <Fazer2> Riddell: http://codepad.org/JTVo6qmd
[21:16] <Fazer2> Riddell: I changed the rules file now (I commented #$(MAKE) again) and now debuild command created the package
[21:17] <Fazer2> Riddell: I mean, that lines with #${MAKE} were commented, when I removed the comments it didn't work, so I reverted it
[21:18] <Riddell> Fazer2: how do you compile and install the application normally (when not packaging it)?
[21:19] <Fazer2> Riddell: qmake-qt4 -config release
[21:19] <Fazer2> Riddell: then make
[21:19] <Fazer2> Riddell: I guess I should add make command XD
[21:19] <Riddell> yes
[21:20] <Fazer2> Riddell: because I can see the produced package doesn't include any binary
[21:20] <Riddell> and  make install ?
[21:20] <Fazer2> ok
[21:22] <Riddell> Fazer2: add the make install under "Add here commands to install the package"
[21:22] <Riddell> Fazer2: it'll need that prefix bit though to install it into debian/<package>/usr
[21:22] <Riddell> you don't want to install it to /usr
[21:26] <Fazer2> Riddell: ok, retrying now
[21:27] <Riddell> Fazer2: with debuild ?
[21:27] <Fazer2> Riddell: yes
[21:27] <Riddell> good luck
[21:28] <Fazer2> Riddell: so debuild does almost the same thing as debuild -S && sudo pbuilder build *.dsc, right? only that pbuilder builds in a clean environment
[21:32] <Fazer2> Riddell: I still have no binaries shipped in the package... I'll show you the rules file - http://codepad.org/5PzsNkj6
[21:32] <Riddell> Fazer2: right, but with pbuilder it's harder to fix mistakes and continue on, with debuild you can  use debuild -nc (no clean) and carry on without having to recompile everything, so I only use pbuilder as a final check
[21:33] <Riddell> you don't need that first "make install
[21:33] <Fazer2> Riddell: I also added these lines to my .pro file, as adviced in the Qt packaging guide - http://codepad.org/0VhzYZx8
[21:33] <Fazer2> Riddell: should I remove it or move somewhere else?
[21:34] <Riddell> just remove it
[21:34] <Riddell> pastebin the .build file (in the directory above the sources)
[21:36] <Fazer2> Riddell: I'll run it again with LANG=c, because it's in Polish now
[21:40] <geser> Riddell: you can setup a pbuilder hook to drop you into a shell in case of FTBFS (see /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/C10shell for an example)
[21:42] <Fazer2> Riddell: http://codepad.org/goJWn0Sg
[21:43] <Riddell> geser: faff :)
[21:43] <Fazer2> Riddell: looks like I should do that with sudo
[21:43] <Fazer2> Riddell: or shouldn't I?
[21:44] <Riddell> "install: cannot create regular file `/usr/bin/huffman-coding-visualizer': Permission denied
[21:44] <geser> my guess: the makefile don't care about the prefix value
[21:44] <Riddell> the prefix isn't working on that make install command
[21:45] <Riddell> Fazer2: so alternative approach..
[21:45] <Fazer2> Riddell: would be...
[21:45] <Riddell> comment out the "$(MAKE) prefix=..." line
[21:45] <Riddell> uncomment the dh_install
[21:45] <Riddell> line
[21:46] <Fazer2> ok
[21:46] <Riddell> and make a file   debian/install
[21:46] <Riddell> it should contain the file you want to copy and the place it should be installed to
[21:47] <Riddell> "huffman-coding-visualizer usr/bin/"  for example
[21:47] <Riddell> assuming the huffman-coding-visualizer binary is in the top source directory
[21:47] <Riddell> you can use  debuild -nc  to rebuild without compiling again
[21:48] <Fazer2> Riddell: so the debian/install file content should be just that one line, right? - huffman-coding-visualizer usr/bin/
[21:49] <Riddell> Fazer2: right
[21:50] <Riddell> assuming that's the only file you need installing
[21:50] <Fazer2> Riddell: right now, the only one; btw shouldn't it be /usr/bin and not usr/bin ?
[21:51] <Riddell> no don't think so
[21:59] <Fazer2> Riddell: ok, now the package contains the binary, I'll try to install it
[22:00] <Fazer2> Riddell: it works :-)
[22:02] <Fazer2> Riddell: I think I'll manage to do the last thing - add compiling a translation and installing it
[22:02] <Fazer2> Riddell: thanks for the help! :-)
[22:05] <Riddell> Fazer2: great
[22:05] <Riddell> Fazer2: is the package something we should include in the ubuntu repository?
[22:06] <Fazer2> Riddell: heh, it's a simple app made as a school homework
[22:07] <Fazer2> Riddell: it presents how static and dynamic Huffman coding works
[22:07] <Fazer2> Riddell: I think I'll add it to my PPA
[22:07] <Riddell> that was going to be my next suggestion
[22:07] <Fazer2> ;-)
[22:08] <Riddell> Fazer2: of course now you know packaging you can help out with Kubuntu or MOTU or any of the teams :)
[22:09] <Fazer2> Riddell: I just started and you want to recruit me so quickly? :-P
[22:10] <Riddell> no time like the present
[22:10] <Riddell> although at present I need to sleep
[22:12] <maxwellian> Riddell: Silly question, but just to be sure: debuild -nc will stil recompile whatever needs to be recompiled based on source changes, right?
[22:58] <dupondje> I guess we will merge the newest php version that got in debian today ? ^^


[10:07] <hatalar205> I have been using Ubuntu 13.04 with Gnome Shell. So, I use now Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 and it works better than the former one. Is there anyone there knowing why?
[16:03] <atrus> hatalar205: what do you mean by "better"?
[16:04] <hatalar205> video driver works better, also faster in app, and also Internet is really fast
[16:06] <hatalar205> and also fan works less
[16:11] <hatalar205> atrus:
[16:34] <atrus> that sounds weird.
[16:35] <hatalar205> atrus, that's why I ask?
[17:24] <a1l3erto> greetings to everyone
[18:36] <rocks> Hello. What is a GUI way to enable pressure sensitivity for Gnome Shell 3.8 desktop in Raring?
[18:36] <rocks> I have ubuntu-gnome-default-settings package installed but its not enabled by default
[18:38] <tommie-lie> AFAIK this is not possible (in an easy, GUI way) because Canonical still ships xorg 1.13 instead of 1.14 in Raring
[18:38] <rocks> I'm using 3.8 via gnome3-team ppa
[18:38] <rocks> i have 1.14 installed via ppa
[18:38] <tommie-lie> in this case, I read the you need to recompile clutter, but I never tried that
[18:39] <rocks> any link where I can get instructions for that?
[18:41] <tommie-lie> uh, sorry, don't know. maybe just recompiling the debian source package is enough (apt-get source clutter, then dpkg-recompile -rfakeroot), you better wait for darkxst or jbicha, I think one of them knows
[18:42] <rocks> ok
[18:43] <tommie-lie> if xorg 1.14 wouldn't crash my virtual machine, I'd have tried this for a long time :-S
[20:08] <jacquette> hi
[20:45] <jbicha> rocks: the easiest answer is to just wait a few months for it to be magically fixed in saucy
[20:46] <rocks> hmm so it requires something more than just Xorg 14?
[20:47] <jbicha> it probably requires unapplying a few patches in the gnome packages too
[20:48] <rocks> oh ok.


[19:56] <rjt> Doing an install on a really old laptop. Would it have saved my previous answers somewhere by default?  If so, which file?
[20:01] <rjt> `ubiquity --automatic` did not seem to recognize that i already chose "English"  debian-installer/locale preseeded to 'en_US.UTF-8' (seen: false)


[00:00] <bodhi_zazen> jcastro http://askubuntu.com/questions/113605/how-to-extract-initrd-img-from-a-livecd
[00:00] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo cprofitt
[00:01] <jcastro> yeah also earlier I kind of overbutchered one of your answers to point to similar answer you had posted.
[00:01] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen: do you know enough about IP tables to guide that question?
[00:01] <cprofitt> I am thinking he might be missing or blocking a loopback
[00:01] <bodhi_zazen> What question cprofitt ?
[00:01] <cprofitt> getting link now
[00:02] <cprofitt> http://askubuntu.com/questions/111009/why-is-ufw-blocking-akismet
[00:02] <bodhi_zazen> ask swift to pastebin his or her ufw rules
[00:03] <bodhi_zazen> The rules they posted make no sense as askimet works on my server with simple iptables rules covered by the posted ufw rules
[00:04] <cprofitt> Seret is the question answer... and he did post his UFW rules
[00:04] <cprofitt> yeah... I saw no issues with the UFW rules either... that is what made me curious about a loopback or other configuration issue
[00:05] <bodhi_zazen> jcastro I am sort of waiting on that question to see if the OP needs to use a chroot
[00:05]  * jcastro nods
[00:06] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen: would having him turn logging help help?
[00:06] <bodhi_zazen> cprofitt: have him sudo iptables -Z
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> try to connect to askimet
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> then post
[00:07] <cprofitt> k
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> sudo iptables -L -v -n | pastebin
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> That will show the dropped packets in iptables, could be a problem with the default rules in ufw
[00:10] <bodhi_zazen> jcastro I still think we could make use of #askubuntu =)
[00:11] <jcastro> iirc lfaraone registered that
[00:11] <jcastro> but we never really used it
[00:11] <jcastro> actually it might have been #ubuntu-stackexchange
[00:12] <bodhi_zazen>  #ubuntu-stackexchange is it
[00:15] <cprofitt> jcastro: is there, to your knowledge any policy regarding the use of ones real name?
[00:15] <cprofitt> for the Ubuntu Community?
[00:17] <jcastro> not afaik
[00:17] <jcastro> I saw the question too
[00:17] <jcastro> we don't care afaict.
[00:17] <cprofitt> that is what I thought... but felt I should ask.
[00:18] <jcastro> However, I am pretty sure if you didn't want people to know who you really are that we'd have a hard time booking UDS sponsorship for "ninjakitten" or whatever your fake name is though
[00:19]  * cprofitt nods
[00:23] <cprofitt> jcastro: http://askubuntu.com/questions/112434/is-there-a-real-name-policy-in-the-ubuntu-community/113613
[00:23] <cprofitt> that is why I was asking
[00:23] <JackyAlcine> afaict?
[00:23] <JackyAlcine> as far as I can tell.
[00:23] <JackyAlcine> noice.
[00:23] <cprofitt> yep
[00:24] <bodhi_zazen> JackyAlcine: you might also like tl;Dr.
[00:25] <bodhi_zazen> JackyAlcine: you might also like tl;dr
[00:25] <cprofitt> tl;dr is very nice
[00:25] <JackyAlcine> o.o
[00:25] <jcastro> tl;dr is my favorite
[00:26]  * JackyAlcine feels like he's not part of some secret club, lol.
[00:26] <jcastro> cprofitt, we don't have an official policy as far as I know
[00:27] <jcastro> Oli's answer seems to be spot on to me, I didn't even know we had a policy to be rescinded in 2k8 wrt. Launchpad real names
[00:27] <cprofitt> yeah... Oli's answer does look good... I only added mine due to the GPG stuff
[00:28] <cprofitt> would I have been able to add that to OLIs answer?
[00:29] <jcastro> yes
[00:29] <jcastro> "improve this answer" at the bottom of his
[00:29] <bkerensa> jcastro:  I think though it would be curious to see if someone got approved for membership if their membership app used the name "Frodo Baggins"
[00:29] <cprofitt> jcastro: I do not see that... just link edit flag
[00:29] <bkerensa> and a ten minute e-mail
[00:30] <cprofitt> and add comment
[00:30] <bodhi_zazen> Frodo Badggins - Ubuntu user #2
[00:31] <bkerensa> :D
[00:31] <bkerensa> Smeagel ?
[00:32] <cprofitt> jcastro: I did an edit with the reason -- is that what you meant?
[00:32] <jcastro> yeah
[00:32] <jcastro> I saw it in the queue
[00:32] <jcastro> done
[00:33] <cprofitt> cool... I will do that from now on
[00:33] <jcastro> oh I messed up, "improve this answer" is for anonymous users and stuff
[00:33] <jcastro> for you it probably assumes you know what edit means
[00:33] <cprofitt> lol
[00:33] <cprofitt> yeah
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> Smeagel Slackware user #2
[00:38] <bkerensa> oh I found a bug in AskUbuntu :P when you try and edit a comment and you hit enter it will not start a new line =/
[00:40] <bodhi_zazen> no new lines for comments, I even tried \n
[00:41] <cprofitt> bkerensa: not a bug... its a missing feature
[00:41] <cprofitt> :-)
[00:42] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Is askubuntu self hosted or apart of the network?
[00:44] <cprofitt> I assume that stackexchange hosts it...
[00:45] <jcastro> they do
[00:48] <cjohnston> jcastro: you unbusy now?
[00:48] <jcastro> let's do this
[00:48] <jcastro> note, I am 4 hours past EOD, so beer is involved.
[00:48] <jcastro> this is how dedicated I am to you chris
[00:49] <cjohnston> I love you too
[00:49] <cjohnston> lol
[00:49] <cjohnston> you dont have to
[00:49] <cjohnston> its up to you
[00:49] <jcastro> girl's night out for jill
[00:49] <jcastro> it's you and me buddy
[00:50] <cjohnston> aww
[00:50] <cjohnston> jcastro: so who should be on this list
[00:51] <jcastro> IS.
[00:51] <jcastro> ~uds-planners
[00:51] <cjohnston> what part of IS, a person, a group of people
[00:51] <jcastro> we should ask sean
[00:52] <jcastro> local IS probably, not like, RT
[00:52] <jcastro> oh dude
[00:52] <jcastro> I got it
[00:52] <cjohnston> what
[00:52] <jcastro> add the local IS folks to ~uds-organizers
[00:52] <jcastro> and we just turn on the mailing list for that in LP, and then alias<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to that mailing list
[00:52] <cjohnston> ok
[00:53] <jcastro> that gets IS, marianna/meesh, track leads, and anyone who cares about scheduling anything
[00:53] <jcastro> that inadvertanly includes the techboard, but that's ok
[00:54] <cprofitt> man... it is real interesting seeing you guys work...
[00:54] <jcastro> cjohnston, ok so take your idea from earlier, copy it into a mail, and then the last few lines I just said, and put that in an RT.
[00:54] <jcastro> easy peasy
[00:54] <cjohnston> jcastro: do you want to try to get me admin on uds-organizers to handle this? right now its just the tech board, so that'd be bugging them to make it happen.. since to my knowledge we dont know who will be there
[00:54] <cprofitt> jorge is likely pacing in front of his desk... pounding redbulls and fosters
[00:54] <jcastro> there's no way around that
[00:54] <cprofitt> :-)
[00:54] <cjohnston> ok
[00:54] <jcastro> the techboard is ultimately responsible for ubuntu, and UDS is an ubuntu event so they would manage that.
[00:55] <jcastro> but they could do like add the IS team
[00:55] <jcastro> we might think about making a "crew" team to add into that
[00:55] <cjohnston> i doubt the whole team wants to be added
[00:55] <cjohnston> lol
[00:55] <cjohnston> or just the crew lead
[00:55] <jcastro> so that if it's like "holy god, we're out of chairs in room XXX" then they can action that
[00:55]  * jcastro nods
[00:56] <cjohnston> cause you do get permissions by being part of the group
[00:56] <cjohnston> like your meetings dont have to be approved
[00:56] <jcastro> true true
[00:56] <jcastro> but look at the people we pick for crew.
[00:57] <jcastro> we can just say "hey look, don't stomp on this."
[00:57] <jcastro> also in the past the ACLs on summit were such a joke that half the attendees could schedule stuff
[00:57] <jcastro> and it was okay
[00:58] <cjohnston> lol
[00:58] <cjohnston> I guess tell them to mark their sessions unapproved, and only add them on Sunday
[00:58] <jcastro> but really, just having IS in the group would handle most of the problems
[00:59] <jcastro> if we wanted to be more strict we could just say "crew, if you have problems either go to the IS room or mail this address"
[00:59] <cjohnston> so I need to get the tech board to enable tohe mailing list on LP
[00:59] <jcastro> I can't imagine anything short of a medical emergency to need to be so real-time
[00:59] <cjohnston> add IS team to the mailing list
[01:00] <cjohnston> then just call 911
[01:00] <cjohnston> or Joey
[01:00] <cjohnston> lol
[01:00] <jcastro> put that in the RT, make sure I'm CCed, I'll rock that.
[01:00] <cjohnston> We want to file the RT before we have the ML?
[01:00] <jcastro> yeah, have the ML be part of the ticket
[01:00] <cjohnston> ok
[01:01] <jcastro> I'm not too worried about medical stuff, the one time it happened in Prague everyone was on the ball.
[01:01] <jcastro> oh no, it was Texas
[01:01] <jcastro> when Grant fell when we went ice skating the night before and got dizzy
[01:02] <cjohnston> uggh
[01:02] <jcastro> and then everyone just rocked the reaction
[01:03] <cjohnston> are any uds-organizers not going to be there?
[01:03] <cjohnston> I guess technically they have the ability to unsubscribe
[01:04] <jcastro> hmm, we need to clean up this team
[01:04]  * jcastro adds a work item
[01:04] <cjohnston> :-)
[01:04] <jcastro> I'll mail the TB and tell then to remove people who aren't around anymore
[01:05] <cjohnston> want to in that same mail ask them to create the ML and add IS?
[01:05] <cjohnston> jcastro: http://pad.ubuntu.com/hpN9h92mOU
[01:08] <jcastro> ok done
[01:10] <cjohnston> jcastro: sent
[01:10] <cjohnston> we also need to remember a day or two before to send a mail to the uds email list letting people know about the address
[01:10] <cjohnston> should prolly also be added somewhere to uds.u.c
[01:10] <jcastro> I was thinking part of the intro presentation
[01:10] <jcastro> we say "go see them at the desk"
[01:11] <jcastro> we just add "go see them at the desk, if can't go to the desk, go here"
[01:11] <cjohnston> k.. people may not remember an email address tho
[01:11] <jcastro> cjohnston, oh dude, bottom of summit
[01:11] <jcastro> like the file a bug
[01:11] <cjohnston> lol
[01:12] <cjohnston> your gonna make me file a bug aren't you
[01:12] <jcastro> well, I certainly won't
[01:12] <jcastro> I know the maintainer
[01:12] <cjohnston> lol
[01:12] <cjohnston> yes.. mhall119
[01:12] <jcastro> he'll just rock that
[01:12] <jcastro> hahahah
[01:12] <jcastro> nice
[01:12] <jcastro> I was going to say nigel
[01:12] <jcastro> but I like what you did there
[01:12] <cjohnston> nigel quit
[01:12] <cjohnston> lol
[01:13] <jcastro> "The OS is just too much, I can't handle it, I'm going to descope to the browser."
[01:13] <cjohnston> we made him the PM of Summit and he stopped workin on it
[01:17] <Daviey> one man can only take so much summit.
[01:18] <cjohnston> Daviey:  we need you back
[01:23] <jcastro> don't tell him
[01:23] <jcastro> but "you have nigel now" is my response to anytime one of my friends at Mozilla gives us smack.
[01:24] <jcastro> "I hate unity." "Ok, well, we gave you nigel." "Ok, you win."
[01:24] <cjohnston> lol
[01:25] <Pendulum> haha
[01:30] <cprofitt> lol
[01:31] <cprofitt> I just did a Unity walk through for my LUG last night
[01:31] <cprofitt> it started out with much unhappiness with Unity
[01:31] <cprofitt> then at the end when 95% of the complaints were shown to not be reality there were quite a few people who were excited to try it
[01:35] <jalcine> what was your pitch, cprofitt?
[01:36] <cprofitt> jalcine: well... it started with talking about the reaction to any change...
[01:36] <cprofitt> gave examples of how people hated KDE 4.0
[01:36] <cprofitt> then warmed up to it
[01:37] <cprofitt> then I talked about how the decision to go to Unity was related to Gnome becoming Gnome 3
[01:37] <cprofitt> then just took each complaint a person gave and demonstrated
[01:37]  * jalcine didn't know that one.
[01:37] <cprofitt> like the one were the person hated the new menu -- because it always stayed on the first monitor even when the program was on the second
[01:37] <cprofitt> ... it did not work that way
[01:38] <cprofitt> so that appeared to be a 'rumor'
[01:38] <cprofitt> most of the people had 'rumor' complaints
[01:38] <cprofitt> I should say those that had complaints
[01:38] <cprofitt> about half the LUG actually liked Unity, but the vocal minority made it not seem that way until last night
[01:39] <jalcine> Yeah, it's easy to read something on the 'net then to try it out for themselves.
[01:39] <jalcine> it's a bit perturbing when some one uses random slurs to defend themselves (especially on OMG!Ubuntu's comment forums >_<)
[01:39]  * cprofitt nods
[01:40] <cprofitt> I just think it is sad that humans are more vocal when they complain then when they are happy
[01:41] <jalcine> Well, they're probably too busy being happy to say anything :)
[02:03] <jono> good work cprofitt
[02:10] <bkerensa> jalcine: Unfortunately OMG does not enforce the CoC
[02:14] <jalcine> Yeah, it's a shame..
[02:21] <cprofitt> jono: thanks
[03:52] <lfaraone> jcastro: so #askubuntu isn't registered. I can do that, if you want.
[03:52] <lfaraone> since -stackexchange sort of unobvious
[08:57] <czajkowski> Lá Fhéile Pádraig Sona Daoibh   =  Happy St. Patrick's Day!
[10:27] <akgraner> hey I am going to snag a screen shoot of this channel for the book - anyone not ok with me adding their irc nick in the screenshot?
[10:28]  * benonsoftware wants to be in a book :P
[10:29] <akgraner> :-)
[10:29] <akgraner> it's for the Chapter on community so I thought this would be the best channel to snag the screenshot from :-)
[10:30] <benonsoftware> What book?
[10:30] <benonsoftware> :)
[10:30] <akgraner> the Official Ubuntu Book
[10:30]  * benonsoftware has read that before at his local library, good book
[10:30] <akgraner> thanks
[10:31] <benonsoftware> What edition number will this be?
[10:31] <akgraner> hey let's talk a little so I can clear some of the discussion from earlier in the channel
[10:31] <akgraner> benonsoftware, 7th
[10:31] <benonsoftware> Nice
[10:31]  * benonsoftware has got to go, see everyone later
[10:31] <akgraner> have a good evening
[10:31] <akgraner> day
[10:31] <akgraner> night
[10:32] <akgraner> what ever tz you're in
[10:34] <akgraner> IRC is an example of just one of the many ways the Ubuntu Community communicates with one another.
[10:39] <amber_> This is an example of using a web based interface to use IRC, instead of having X-Chat installed like you see in Figure 10-1.
[10:52] <akgraner> ok I'm done spamming the channel :-)
[10:52] <akgraner> thanks y'all :-)
[12:45] <mhall119> good lord akgraner, what are you doing awake at 6:30am?
[12:45] <mhall119> on a saturday
[12:46] <nigelb> lol.
[12:46] <nigelb> Morning mhall119
[12:46] <mhall119> good evening nigelb
[13:32] <nigelb> jcastro: awwww, thanks :)
[13:43] <czajkowski> Launchpad now has it's own G+ page - https://plus.google.com/116931976620769325703/posts
[15:14] <akgraner> mhall119, screenshots
[15:14] <akgraner> :-)
[15:15] <akgraner> and going through to see what information I missed (if any) so I can get it added once everything gets formatted
[15:18] <akgraner> hey are the short cut keys right now  - you know the ones you see what you hold doen the super key
[15:18] <akgraner> down even
[15:18] <AlanBell> yeah, they should be right
[15:19] <akgraner> ok - when I got ready to add them a couple weeks ago - some of them were wrong :-(
[15:19] <AlanBell> there is a google doc with them in
[15:19] <AlanBell> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jqeKtIJwqLtl58Wk_fqjr9Rrgxn9zsouCYOo-cZsLSE/edit?pli=1
[15:22] <AlanBell> the design team like google docs, it seems to be one of the best ways to collaborate with them
[15:34] <akgraner> AlanBell, thank you
[15:35] <akgraner> also the alt key also hides the laucher when it opens the application lens - is this the way it's supposed to be
[15:39] <AlanBell> yeah, there are a few things where it isn't clear if it is a bug or designed that way, I think that is one of the design features
[15:42] <akgraner> :-)
[15:48] <akgraner> AlanBell, you have mail - thanks in advance
[15:49] <AlanBell> so I have :)
[15:51] <akgraner> mark it up  - make suggestions - add/edit :-)
[15:51] <akgraner> I think it's only 10 pages or so without the screenshots
[15:52] <AlanBell> is the plural of lens "lens" or "lenses"
[15:53] <akgraner> I've seen it both ways
[15:53] <akgraner> I think  - singular is Lens
[15:53] <akgraner> and plural is lenses
[15:53] <akgraner> for this reference
[15:54] <akgraner> or at least that's what I gathered when I read the documentation
[15:55] <akgraner> AlanBell, if you find it's something different just make the changes
[15:56] <jussi> Hrm, If I wanted to collect a bunch of templates for open office etc, where would be a good place to have people upload them?
[16:02] <AlanBell> that would be a really good thing to encourage
[16:02] <AlanBell> would be nice to have an Ubuntu package of default templates for LibreOffice
[16:02] <jussi> yeah, Im writing a blog post askign for people to contribute, but need a place to collect them all
[16:03] <AlanBell> set up a project and accept merge requests
[16:03] <AlanBell> bzr all the way
[16:04] <jussi> perhaps Ill just use an email address - many who would make templates certainly wont do bzr
[16:07] <AlanBell> do both
[16:07] <jussi> good point
[16:17]  * akgraner loves making templates :-)
[16:17]  * jussi hugs akgraner
[16:19] <akgraner> :-) thanks jussi - I might have time to do one a month right now - but after UDS and Connect should have some more free time - no promises though but I'll send you any that I've already done and and I do in the future
[16:20] <akgraner> do juju is always lower case unless it starts the sentence right?
[16:20] <akgraner> s/do/so
[16:20] <jussi> akgraner: keep an eye on my blog, a post will appear in the the next 24h or so.
[16:20] <akgraner> roger than!
[16:41] <htorque> hi all! on ask ubuntu, there's an interesting question about whether there is something like a real name policy in the ubuntu community (e.g., forums, pgp keys, code contributions, etc.).
[16:41] <htorque> i think it could profit from answers from official/credible sources, i.e., you! :-)
[16:41] <htorque> here's the link to that question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/112434/is-there-a-real-name-policy-in-the-ubuntu-community
[16:41] <htorque> if you are new to ask ubuntu, make sure to check out the faq! note, i put a bounty on the question, so the best answer will get additional 250 reputation points.
[16:42] <jussi> akgraner: http://jussi01.com/2012/03/17/templates-and-defaults/
[16:42]  * akgraner looks
[16:43] <akgraner> jussi,  \o/!
[16:43] <jussi> :)
[16:44] <jussi> hope we get lots
[16:44] <akgraner> me too
[16:47] <nigelb> jussi: can you try to put it in a operating system - independant location?
[16:48] <nigelb> I'm sure there are windows users for open office / libre office.
[16:48] <jussi> nigelb: ahh yes, Im sure we can create a package for win as well as access to the files
[16:49] <jo-erlend> does anyone know if anyone has been able to install Precise using Ubiquity yet or if it's still broken? I can't install it in VMs, laptops, desktops... It's a little bit scary.
[16:58] <jussi> akgraner: can I gget a repost/link/tweet/g+ etc for that?
[17:00] <akgraner> yep - editing something right now - but will once I save this and send to Mr. Castro :-)
[17:10] <akgraner> how long should a keynote be ideally  - 25 minutes with time for questions  - or so you take up who whole time .
[17:11] <akgraner> Do you get bored with keynotes that take longer than that
[17:21] <akgraner> I only ask because I am one of the Keynote speakers for the Indiana Linux Fest and I want to make sure it's the right length and stuff.  So anyone going to be at this event?
[17:23] <pleia2> depends on the speaker and topic
[17:25] <nigelb> akgraner: I think somoene I know "might" be there. Let me ask him if he's going when I catch him around.
[17:26] <pleia2> some topics really lend themselves to audience participation and off the cuff questions, part of length will reflect that
[17:26] <nigelb> Also, hrm, does keynotes have a lot of questions usually?
[17:27] <nigelb> I've only seen Mark's keynote at UDS have questions.
[17:27] <pleia2> akgraner: what is the time slot for the keynote? 45 minutes, 60?
[17:28] <akgraner> 45
[17:28] <pleia2> 25 feels short
[17:28] <nigelb> yeah, 25 makes me think it's too much time for questions
[17:28] <akgraner> pleia2, the topic is  Linux on ARM: The Next Revolution
[17:28] <pleia2> my generic answer would be 35 minutes
[17:28] <akgraner> so I don't know if there will be questions or not
[17:29] <pleia2> and you don't have to leave time for questions, just give an email address and tell people to follow up after
[17:30] <pleia2> I see keynotes as somewhat authoritative, so leaving time for questions isn't as common I think
[17:30] <akgraner> pleia2, that's true
[17:30] <nigelb> akgraner: will it be recorded?
[17:31] <czajkowski> .c
[17:31] <akgraner> nigelb, I believe so
[17:31] <nigelb> \o/
[17:31] <pleia2> even when they try to run around with the mic, the question section is the worst for remote attendees and recordings
[17:31] <pleia2> I usually turn it off at that point
[17:32] <akgraner> nods
[17:32] <nigelb> lol, I feel like pleia2 is tying what I want to say faster than I can :)
[17:33] <akgraner> nigelb,  - great minds think alike :-)
[17:34] <akgraner> thanks - ok now I can work backwards into these slides
[17:34] <nigelb> heh
[17:36] <nigelb> Also, morning pleia2 :)
[17:36] <akgraner> I'm a bit nervous about this one - all the talks I've given up til now have been as a community member, which takes some of the pressure off, this one well I represent work
[17:36] <nigelb> akgraner: You'll do great! :)
[17:37] <akgraner> nigelb, thanks - and since you always enjoy my slides - I'll send you a copy
[17:38] <nigelb> haha, thanks
[17:39] <pleia2> me too!
[17:40] <pleia2> I got lucky, the first presentation I did for work was to a pretty small, friendly audience
[17:41] <pleia2> (and I was just talking about why it's good for businesses to use open source, a topic I could present on in my sleep)
[17:41] <nigelb> The good thing about being a conference organizer is that I almost never have to give a talk these days :P
[17:41] <pleia2> lol
[17:43] <nigelb> Americans - NoLa = New Orleans?
[17:43] <bkerensa> yes
[17:43] <bkerensa> NoLa = New Orleans, Louisiana
[17:44] <nigelb> Ahhh.
[17:51] <cjohnston> nigelb: help me with summit!
[17:54] <nigelb> cjohnston: I thought you said yesterday that I quit :D
[17:55] <cjohnston> trying to get you back
[17:55] <cjohnston> I can't do it all alnoone
[17:55] <cjohnston> alone
[17:57] <czajkowski> cjohnston: saying please and bribing might help
[17:58] <pleia2> my goodness the st paddy's day parade is loud
[18:00] <cjohnston> nigelb: please.. czajkowski will but you a beer!
[18:01] <czajkowski> lol
[18:01] <mhall119> akgraner: did you make new screenshots for the different Unity components?
[18:02] <cjohnston> mhall119: you can help me with summit too.. please... czajkowski will buy you a beer too!
[18:02] <mhall119> I bet
[18:02] <czajkowski> since when am I the beer person given I hate beer
[18:02] <czajkowski> :)
[18:02] <cjohnston> its St. Patty's day... so its beer day
[18:02] <mhall119> wait, I thought you were irish
[18:02] <czajkowski> I am
[18:02] <cjohnston> lmao
[18:02] <nigelb> I hate beer too.
[18:02] <czajkowski> hence the CIDER or JD I drink
[18:02] <nigelb> JD gets all my love.
[18:02] <mhall119> is that allowed?
[18:03] <czajkowski> cjohnston: you said pattys there goes any good karma I'd ever have helped you with
[18:03] <nigelb> lolololol
[18:03] <czajkowski> now back to rugby
[18:03] <mhall119> nigelb: wth happened to the guy who thought a glass of wine in budapest was a big deal?
[18:03] <cjohnston> nigelb and czajkowski can have JD together
[18:03] <cjohnston> mhall119: +1
[18:03] <nigelb> mhall119: I became a sysadmin :P
[18:03] <mhall119> heh,that would do it
[18:04] <cjohnston> I had green beer.. it was good
[18:04] <mhall119> I have been, but it's not green
[18:04] <mhall119> s/been/beer/
[18:05]  * nigelb has a nice whiskey waiting.
[18:06] <bkerensa> jcastro: This juju experience is becoming epic
[18:06] <czajkowski> mhall119: I saw the meaty bbq droooollll
[18:06] <jcastro> bkerensa, heh, what's up
[18:07] <mhall119> czajkowski: oh it was good this time too
[18:07] <bkerensa> jcastro: Well I think I am at the 99% mark now... But someone suggested a upstart job but I have not the faintest idea how to make that
[18:07] <jcastro> yeah
[18:07] <jcastro> that's a nice option
[18:07] <jcastro> but like, a bridge too far
[18:07] <nigelb> jcastro: ahaha, I read scrollback. I love you too :P
[18:07] <jcastro> it's not a requirement for the charm to be done
[18:07] <jcastro> nigelb, :)
[18:10] <bkerensa> jcastro: How can I make the stop hook kill subway?
[18:10] <bkerensa> just throw in killall subway?
[18:10] <bkerensa> :D
[18:10] <jcastro> does subway have a way to stop it?
[18:11] <czajkowski> everytime ye say subway I think of the place where food smellys so badly :/
[18:11] <czajkowski> one around the corner from here
[18:12] <mhall119> I always think of sandwiches
[18:12] <nigelb> Yeah, delicious ones too.
[18:12] <pleia2> it does have a distinctive smell
[18:16] <jcastro> bkerensa, ok so if we ignore the upstart script, what's left to do?
[18:20] <czajkowski> fa
[18:21] <jalcine> I wonder what makes like that, though.
[18:21] <jalcine> Trade secret?  o.O
[18:24] <akgraner> mhall119, I will as it closer to the release date
[18:24] <akgraner> mhall119, we put in all new screenshots with each new edition
[18:25] <akgraner> and that includes screen shots of all the recognized flavors as well
[18:27] <mhall119> akgraner: I'd love to get those new screenshots for use on developer.u.c documentation, if that would be okay
[18:27] <mhall119> closeups of the launcher, panel, indicators, etc
[18:27] <mhall119> since some of the ones we have now are kind of old
[18:27] <akgraner> mhall119, I am sure it would - once I have them I'll send them your way
[18:28] <mhall119> thanks
[18:40] <bkerensa> jcastro: just finish the stop hook?
[18:41] <jussi> anyone else thats willing, please share/reblog/tweet this: http://jussi01.com/2012/03/17/templates-and-defaults/ - We need templates (oh, and I expect a template from you all also)
[18:42] <jcastro> bkerensa, hah so I guess really your only option is to kill it?
[18:42] <jcastro> unless there's some other clever way
[18:42] <bkerensa> jcastro: yeah just killall subway I guess
[18:44] <bkerensa> jcastro: the process comes up as "node subway"
[18:44] <bkerensa> so would I just killall node subway?
[18:51] <jcastro> yeah I guess lol
[18:51] <jcastro> I mean, it does the job
[18:51] <jcastro> and if subway has no way to quit then I don't see how else you would do it.
[19:19] <bkerensa> mhall119: I guess so far no progress on sumo in doc-team? =S I am not sure there is ever enough consensus on the team to make decisions
[19:19] <bkerensa> :D
[19:27] <pangolin> bkerensa, thanks for the post/repost/share/whatever :)
[19:27] <bkerensa> pangolin: no problem
[21:35] <mhall119> bkerensa: well part of the problem is that I haven't been able to keep a sumo server up and running
[21:36] <mhall119> jim cambell and jcastro played with it a bit while it was up
[22:03] <bkerensa> mhall119: due to sumo or just your instance?
[23:15] <jcastro> bkerensa, sorry I haven't been testing your charm
[23:15] <jcastro> busy saving OMG
[23:15] <jcastro> almost done though


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