[08:46] <checkergrrl> hi
[08:47] <checkergrrl> can someone plz help me with a script?
[09:03] <nalioth> checkergrrl: if you ask a question
[09:05] <checkergrrl> hi nalioth
[09:05] <checkergrrl> okoay
[09:05] <checkergrrl> i got this bash script i am working on:
[09:06] <checkergrrl> find -name *.txt -exec cp {} /home/backups/ gzip *.txt {} > /home/backups/ echo {} mv "*.txt 'date'" \;
[09:06] <checkergrrl> i got this script in one line...
[09:07] <checkergrrl> for some reason ...its complicated when is in one line
[09:07] <checkergrrl> how will i break it down
[09:07] <checkergrrl> i've tried ..but it does not work
[09:07] <checkergrrl> i am reading begginers script to try to understand how to write bash scripting
[09:09] <checkergrrl> nalioth ...are you there?
[09:09] <checkergrrl> someone there?
[09:12] <nalioth> checkergrrl: sorry, i'm not much good with scripting
[09:12] <nalioth> have you tried ##bash ?
[09:13] <checkergrrl> mmm let me try
[09:13] <checkergrrl> what are you good with?
[09:18] <nalioth> lots of things, checkergrrl


[16:52] <ogra> mumble
[16:52] <ogra> Q1 in intrepid is a pain
[16:53]  * ogra doesnt get the wlan to connect
[16:53] <persia> We're using mumble now?
[16:53] <ogra> heh
[16:53] <persia> Which arch are you running?
[16:53] <ogra> well, i got my complete custom gnome setup ported
[16:53] <persia> Cool!
[16:53] <ogra> all seems to be fine
[16:54] <ogra> incl touchscreen with new .fdi file (i'm missing some options though)
[16:55] <ogra> but i cant a) get the ath9k driver to scan any networks and b) the conncet attempts just die
[16:59] <ogra> oh, and i just took -generic
[17:00] <persia> Odd.  I thought that most of that was ironed out now.  Then again, we did have an Eee user in here recently with similar issues (but that was hardy)
[17:00] <ogra> manual bootstrapped, remover firefox and evolution, added devilspie, cellwriter, thunderbird, midbrowser, xautomation and the evtouch driver
[17:00] <ogra> the rest is only configuration and the .fdi file for the touchscreen
[17:01] <ogra> *removed
[17:02] <persia> Nifty.  Any other changes planned?  Have you pushed that to the seed yet?
[17:02] <ogra> i need to roll the config into a gconf and panel-defaults file and need to create three .desktop files
[17:03] <ogra> and the theme needs some small adjustments (wider scrollbars and rulers )
[17:03] <persia> ubuntu-mobile-default-settings?
[17:03] <ogra> well, should that actually be -mobile ?
[17:03] <ogra> it rather resembles ume
[17:04] <ogra> (and is definately touchscreen centric)
[17:04] <persia> Yes, it should be "mobile", as ubuntu-mid-default-settings is the stuff for the mid seed, and we've only two seeds to play with now.
[17:05] <persia> Maybe we can make more seeds for intrepid+1, but I wonder just how many flavours we really want to support :)
[17:06] <persia> As far as I'm concerned, -mobile is for the 7-9" devices, many of which have touchscreens.  Things like your Q1U or my SR.
[17:06] <ogra> well, i'd see this one rather as a hildon replacement (no idea how it works on 800x480 though)
[17:06] <ogra> ok, then thats fine
[17:06] <persia> Umm, yeah.  Replacing hildon sounds good, but I don't think we can do that by Thursday.
[17:06] <alienseer23> if this is the right place to ask: I am running ubuntu netbook remix on my eeepc, and would like to be able to log out of gnome, and switch sessions into a regular gnome desktop from time to time, but am unclear on how to do that, since netbook remix becomes the default gnome sesion. How?
[17:07] <persia> alienseer23: Not precisely the right place, but I'm not sure where else to send you.
[17:07] <alienseer23> h'm
[17:07] <persia> That said, I've not personally run the netbook remix, so have no idea  Sorry.
[17:07] <ogra> well, you likely need a new user who doesnt have the four netbook apps defined as desktop
[17:08] <alienseer23> ogra, I thought of that, but isn't there a way to be able to pick different session settings saved AS a new session at login?
[17:09] <ogra> no idea if that works with UNR ...
[17:09] <ogra> its very intrusive ... once you have the launcher running it wants o stay
[17:10] <alienseer23> doesn't it shut off when you log out of gnome?
[17:10] <ogra> i guess so ... but its still autostarted i think
[17:10] <ogra> we're all not big in UNR here ... i tried it once
[17:10] <ogra> its a remox after all
[17:10] <ogra> *remoix
[17:10] <ogra> bah
[17:10] <ogra> *remix
[17:11] <alienseer23> yeah, I was thinking the same thing, not really a remix
[17:11] <alienseer23> oops
[17:11] <alienseer23> not what you said
[17:11] <alienseer23> it's essentially just a different launcher
[17:11] <persia> No, it is really a remix.  It confusingly has the name "Ubuntu" in it, but it's just a few extra apps stuck in, and some different settings.
[17:12] <persia> Exactly what those are, or how they work is something not well known here, although for many cases, it's the same apps, so we can try to help.
[17:13] <ogra> but essentially its trageted towards OEMs to be preinstalled on devices and customized for that HW
[17:14] <alienseer23> there are 2 things added to start-up: maximus and UME desktop launcher, that and a few panel add ons. Is there a way to create a totally different session, using the same login, that would simply use the original defaults?
[17:14]  * ogra doubts that
[17:14] <ogra> you likely need a second user
[17:14] <alienseer23> drat
[17:14] <ogra> but try it
[17:16] <alienseer23> is there a place you could direct me that could help me figgure out How to try that?
[17:17] <ogra> not really, as persia said ... UNR has no specific channels or something
[17:18] <alienseer23> ok
[17:18] <alienseer23> thanks for your help, I'm going to just add another user
[17:18] <alienseer23> ciao
[18:45] <ogra-Q1> yay
[18:45]  * ogra-Q1 waves
[18:46] <persia> Cool.  What was it?
[18:46] <ogra-Q1> ath9k doesnt work,but ath_pci does
[18:47] <ogra-Q1> ath_pci is still in lrm
[18:47] <ogra-Q1> but not defaulted to
[18:47] <ogra-Q1> anyway, Q1 is perfect now :)
[18:47]  * ogra-Q1 goes to prepare dinner and do some cooking
[18:48] <ogra-Q1> oh, and according to the changelogs 2.6.27 ath9k works with this card
[18:48] <ogra-Q1> so lets hope ben does the switch actually
[18:51] <ogra-Q1> persia, btw http://paste.ubuntu.com/39954/
[18:51] <ogra-Q1> for the tochscreen
[18:52] <persia> Beautiful work.  It's nice to see an entire flavour come alive over such a short time.  Let me know when you've the seen and task ready, and I'll try an install on my Kohjinsha.
[19:03] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ubuntu-mobile-intrepid.png
[19:10] <persia> Looking very nice indeed.


[07:05] <redtape> Good moro Good Sirs !   |     Today is haircut day !
[07:20] <knightwise> morning everyone !
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> \o knightwise
[07:20] <knightwise> hey MartijnVdS
[07:21] <knightwise> how are you today.. at work or getting ready to get wasted tonight
[07:33] <MartijnVdS> neither :)
[07:39] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: you using 13.04 ?
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> of course :)
[07:41] <knightwise> could you do me a favor ?
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> maybe
[07:41] <knightwise> could you try to install easytag ?
[07:41] <knightwise> I get a dependency error when I do it and was wondering if it was related to my machine
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: Uitpakken van easytag (uit .../easytag_2.1.7-2_amd64.deb) ...
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> Instellen van easytag (2.1.7-2) ...
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> now problems here
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> no problems, even.
[07:42] <knightwise> did you do an apt-get install ?
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> yes
[07:43] <knightwise> ok ,then I'll just have to see whats wrong with the install at home
[07:43] <knightwise> i'll look up the error code
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: if you could pastebin the error :)
[07:43] <knightwise> Don't have the machine handy right now (its the IBM thinkpad I have)
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> IBM?  I had no idea how hilly it is
[08:05] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: how long was your run?
[08:05] <MartijnVdS> running = teh cools :)
[08:05] <SuperMatt> 1.72 miles
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> NIce distance for a first run.. first run ever?
[08:06] <SuperMatt> not first run ever
[08:06]  * MartijnVdS did 10km yesterday
[08:06] <SuperMatt> but first in a long time
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> but I've been doing it for 3 years now :)
[08:06] <SuperMatt> when I say long, I mean loooooooooooooong
[08:07] <SuperMatt> If I run around the houses, it'd be nice and flat, but houses aren't as pretty as parks
[08:07] <SuperMatt> maybe I can find another, flatter park
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> I live next to a small artificial lake, it's almost exactly 4km around
[08:08] <knightwise> ooooh painfull
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> add the golf course and football fields, and it's a round 10km (the golf course == hilly ex garbage dump :)
[08:08] <knightwise> I did about 15 km's walking yesterday
[08:08] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: you live in Holland.. EVERYTING is flat !
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: not the golf course!
[08:09] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: only because its artificial
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: it's full of hazardous chemicals too (http://coupepolder.nl/) :)
[08:10] <knightwise> at least its better to have a toxic golf course then to have a toxic residential area #lekkerkerk
[08:11] <knightwise> "Toxic-Golf" ... does have a nice ring to it
[08:11] <knightwise> less boring then "regular" golf
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: yeah, glow-in-the-dark golf balls.. we've all heard the jokes ;)
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: a bit like disco bowling 8-)
[08:13] <SuperMatt> huh, I've found something I like about bing
[08:13] <SuperMatt> the maps have an ordinance survey overlay, so I can see elevation
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: uh oh
[08:14] <knightwise> SuperMatt: that you can turn it off ?
[08:14]  * knightwise is on fire today
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: google has a "Terrain" option that does that, I think?
[08:14] <SuperMatt> I couldn't figure out how to view that
[08:14] <SuperMatt> one tick
[08:14] <SuperMatt> oh wait, you can't turn it on in satelite mode
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: it works in satellite mode in the Google Earth app :)
[08:16] <SuperMatt> hmmm, google maps doesn't give me as much detail as the bing ordiance survey does
[08:20] <knightwise> Nah : still can"t see my house properly
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: is it too small to be resolved? ;)
[08:23] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: yes
[08:23] <SuperMatt> so godaddy have supermatt.com "up for acution." I would like to buy that, except godaddy expect me to pay for an "auction account" before I can place any kind of bid
[08:23] <knightwise> and the shitty thing about having an underground batcave is that its hard to find on streetview too
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: also, it's godaddy.. :(
[08:24] <SuperMatt> yeah
[08:25] <SuperMatt> I wonder if they'll just give up the domain when the action ends
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: they have street view bicycles now
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: supermatt.pro? ;)
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: supermatt.eu? ;)
[08:25] <SuperMatt> I already got supermatt.net
[08:25] <SuperMatt> would be nice to have the .com
[08:27] <knightwise> super.mat
[08:27] <knightwise> we need to create a country first
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> superm.at ?
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> that country already exists..
[08:27] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: Do what you dutch do best : Throw some sand in the sea, turn it into an island and call it matadonia or smething
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: we have the "Zandmotor"
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zandmotor
[08:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all, and happy International Dance Day! *jazz hands*
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> *\\o o//* *\o/*
[08:45] <JamesTait> Ooh, pom-poms!
[08:49] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> hi MooDoo
[08:50] <MooDoo> :)
[08:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:26] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:26] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:32] <mungbean> how do i disable the facebook birthday announements appearing on my phone as an alert?
[09:57] <mungbean> quite in here.
[09:59] <brobostigon> quiet*
[09:59] <mungbean> anyone want a job?
[10:00] <MooDoo> mungbean: tea boy?
[10:01] <mungbean> mixture of linux and windows infrastructure software
[10:01] <mungbean> thought there might be some in here out of work or soon to be
[10:01] <MooDoo> mungbean: curiosity button pressed, got a url for the job spec?
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: hullo matey
[10:03] <mungbean> http://tinyurl.com/cw49ynu
[10:03] <mungbean> MooDoo: ^
[10:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka how am ya
[10:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: crackin ta
[10:05] <MooDoo> mungbean: looks good, want me to share it out for ya?
[10:05] <mungbean> sure
[10:05] <mungbean> i rec it as a step up
[10:05] <mungbean> rather than sideways step
[10:06] <MooDoo> yeah looks good
[10:31]  * TheOpenSourcerer just upgraded from 12.10 to 13.04 at the office. Took about 20mins in total with one reboot. You can't do that with Windows ;-)
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> One annoying feature - missing tree view in nautilus. Who at gnome thought that was a good idea should be shot.
[10:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Weird that multiple desktops were turned off by default.
[10:37] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: possibly the same person who thought getting rid of the time last modified was a good idea too :)
[10:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Didn't like the fact that UbuntuOne got re-installed even though my system 12.10 was purged of it.
[10:38] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: that's cause it is install by Ubuntu Desktop which is what an upgrade does
[10:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> fir enough but it *should* recognise that I had removed it and didn't want it back again.
[10:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/fir/fair
[10:41] <Nafallo> apt-config dump | grep Rec <-- handy ;-)
[10:41] <Myrtti> multidesktop was my favourite feature down at Debian potato and Fedora 12. It's a shame it can be confusing to noobs.
[10:41] <Nafallo> not sure if the release-upgrader cares, but still...
[10:41] <Myrtti> s/12/2/
[10:42] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: basically what it does is disable 3rd party repos, change quantal to raring in the repos that are left and then run apt-get install x-desktop package and update any others that you have installed, it's not actually smart enough to figure out if you removed any default apps.
[10:43] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: at least that was my understanding of it :)
[10:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a minor thing. The fact I went fromk 12.10 to 13.04 in about 20 mins was rather amazing.
[10:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> We have fast broadband and I have an ssd :-D
[10:47] <MooDoo> hmmmm ssd
[10:47] <brobostigon> is there an android messenger client, that does that bonjour messaging thing, empathy does? i am hitting a dead end.
[10:50] <Myrtti> awwwwww
[10:50] <Myrtti> I was going to link to a funny blog post about a game development simulation game, but they're updating their website now.
[11:05] <Myrtti> ooh, never heard of http://coralcdn.org/ before
[11:06] <mgdm> It's quite neat, been around for a while
[11:09] <Myrtti> there we go, now I can link the page http://www.greenheartgames.com.nyud.net/2013/04/29/what-happens-when-pirates-play-a-game-development-simulator-and-then-go-bankrupt-because-of-piracy/
[11:10] <Myrtti> they've got Linux version of the game too it seems
[11:47] <redtape> OT | Looks like I'm heading to the UK next week .. Lanc.s to be specific ..  Attended a prayer meeting this morning for the first time in years.. feel ok .. Anyway, I'm in the UK near Manchester next week if anyone wants a coffee .. be nice to change the topic of the crossing for an hour or two .. May even look up the local LUG .. dunno yet.
[12:32] <popey> morning
[12:32] <redtape> Hi popey, hows the US going ?
[12:33] <popey> good so far
[12:40] <redtape> I hope the sun comes out for you .. :D
[12:41] <popey> it was lovely and sunny yesterday, forecast is sun all week
[12:41] <popey> not that I will see it
[12:50] <popey> Myrtti: that was an interesting and depressing read
[12:50] <popey> rather cunning
[14:17] <shrik> a PSA: ditch the GNOME3 ppa before upgrading to 13.04. It messes things up something fierece.
[14:17] <shrik> fierce*
[14:27] <Darael-webchat> I have an... interesting one here.
[14:28] <Darael-webchat> Got a new laptop.  It supports UEFI.  It will happily boot by UEFI from removable media, but refuses to recognise anything installed on the hard drive.
[14:28] <Darael-webchat> (still loads fine if I install things in BIOS mode)
[14:29] <directhex> Darael-webchat, is that with secure boot disabled?
[14:29] <Darael-webchat> Yup.  First thing I checked.
[14:29] <directhex> are you booted from removable media right now?
[14:30] <Darael-webchat> Nope; using the W7 from the hard drive it came with in BIOS mode.
[14:31] <directhex> 32 or 64-bit windows?
[14:32] <Darael-webchat> 64-bit.
[14:32] <Darael-webchat> But it's definitely installed in BIOS mode; the two partitions on this HDD are NTFS, so neither can possibly be an EFI boot partition.
[14:33] <directhex> you're remarkably well informed on this topic. this is very refreshing, i must say
[14:34] <directhex> so you can't boot windows, if you install it in uefi mode?
[14:34] <Darael-webchat> I can't even install it in uefi mode; the CD freezes at the Windows logo in uefi mode.
[14:35] <Darael-webchat> Searched around a bit, and it seems that's commonly solved by changing the SATA mode to IDE, but all that does is actually get me to the logo before the freeze, instead of during the four-balls animation.
[14:35] <Darael-webchat> Ubuntu CD boots and installs in uefi mode fine, though.
[14:36] <Darael-webchat> Just won't then recognise it as a bootable HDD.
[14:36] <davmor2> QUESTION: Is there a way to find out when a package got replaced? for example when libudev0 got replaced by libudev1
[14:36] <Darael-webchat> davmor2: Short of grepping /var/log/apt/history.log (or something very much like that)?
[14:40] <Darael-webchat> The only hint I have is that enabling uefi boot is only available after one chooses "Windows 8" instead of "Others" in an option called "Operating System" in the BIOS.  Which might imply that there's some kind of irritating lock-in thing that'll only allow W8 in uefi mode.
[14:40] <directhex> davmor2, locally or on the server?
[14:41] <directhex> Darael-webchat, windows 7 in uefi mode requires BIOS-based access to the video card firmware. i couldn't install windows 7 as UEFI on this thinkpad unless i had "CSM" enabled in the BIOS. can you check for a similar setting? otherwise it just froze on the windows logo.
[14:41] <davmor2> directhex: more on the whole,  I thought packages.ubuntu.com might hold some insight but no it's not that useful apparently :)
[14:41] <directhex> urgh, "in the bios"
[14:41]  * directhex kills self
[14:41] <Darael-webchat> The thing is, what else do we call it?
[14:42] <Darael-webchat> We've got so used to calling the firmware configurator "the BIOS"...
[14:42] <davmor2> directhex: I'm going to try Darael-webchat example but I'm not sure if I've done a fresh install for testing something else or not in the meantime :)
[14:43] <directhex> Darael-webchat, "firmware setup" is the technical name
[14:43] <Darael-webchat> directhex: I don't seem to have a "CSM" setting.  I saw that when I was looking around, and even that NVidia cards specifically could be a problem, but I don't have the option to disable it.
[14:43] <Darael-webchat> directhex: True.  Time to retrain our brains...
[14:43] <Darael-webchat> Or enable it, rather.
[14:44] <Darael-webchat> Well, I can double-check.  Back momentarily.
[14:44] <directhex> davmor2, udev is an interesting case. libudev0 is from "udev" and libudev1 is from "systemd", so the change happened when modern systemd was uploaded, post-udev-merge
[14:47] <davmor2> directhex: yeah
[14:54] <Darael> directhex: Same Darael, now from an Ubuntu live session.  Simply because I like it more.
[14:54] <Darael> No such setting.
[14:54] <directhex> hmph
[14:54] <directhex> it might not be there. which would be user hostile, but not out of spec
[14:55] <Darael> ...irssi, now was not a good time to segfault.
[14:55] <Darael> Anyway, as I was saying, there's no option to disable the discrete card, either.  Which makes it all the more annoying that I couldn't get a machine without Optimus.
[14:57] <Darael> I *swear* irssi used to be more stable than this.
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> irssi is unstable?!
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> lies!
[14:57] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Mine is.  Segfaults all over the place.  It's *probably* irssi-plugin-xmpp's fault.
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> plugins make it less stable, yes
[14:58] <Darael> Should really move to bitlbee at some point.
 hmph
 it might not be there. which would be user hostile, but not out of spec
[14:59] <Darael> I got the first of those.
[14:59] <Darael> And yeah, that was my conclusion.
[14:59] <directhex> can you run "efibootmgr" on your live session?
[15:00] <Myrtti> Darael: that's my experience with irssi - it's stable as a rock until you start messing with it.
[15:00] <directhex> (assuming your live session is a uefi live session)
[15:01] <Darael> directhex: After apt-get installing it, it exits immediately.
[15:01] <Darael> Hmm.
[15:01] <directhex> as root
[15:01] <Darael> A live session won't mind if I hotplug drives.
[15:01] <Darael> I should probably do that with the drive that has an EFI boot partition on it.
[15:02] <Darael> Yup, that runs happily enough.
[15:06] <directhex> w
[15:06] <directhex> pastebin the output
[15:07] <Darael> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5616185/
[15:07] <SuperMatt> what's the name of the site that has lots of ubuntu related assets on it?
[15:08] <popey> http://design.ubuntu.com/ ?
[15:08] <SuperMatt> I'm certain the one I'm thinking of isn't official
[15:08] <directhex> Darael, is that output what you expect? i.e. just one entry for windows, no entry for ubuntu?
[15:09] <SuperMatt> it has things like impress templates, etc
[15:09] <popey> http://spreadubuntu.org/ ?
[15:09] <SuperMatt> that's it!
[15:10] <Darael> directhex: No!  This drive shouldn't have anything Windows-related on it.  'scuse me.  I did, after all, boot with a different drive in it.  Going to see if I've confused it.
[15:10] <directhex> Darael, efibootmgr is retrieving values from your efi variable store, not your efi boot partition
[15:11] <directhex> Darael, use the -v flag
[15:11] <directhex> Darael, it should show you what it thinks is the actual corresponding efi application in a boot partition
[15:11] <directhex> e.g.
[15:11] <directhex> Boot001A* Windows Boot Manager	HD(1,800,32000,a5537a27-f981-47a4-b01c-bcf40f81cfef)File(\EFI\Microsoft\Boot\bootmgfw.efi)WINDOWS.........x...B.C.D.O.B.J.E.C.T.=.{.9.d.e.a.8.6.2.c.-.5.c.d.d.-.4.e.7.0.-.a.c.c.1.-.f.3.2.b.3.4.4.d.<IP_ADDRESS>.}...a................
[15:14] <Darael> Having rebooted, it's looking *really* confused.  It's got an entry for the Windows Boot Manager (though the only Windows-related present is the DVD) and *two* entries each for the live thumb drive and the DVD drive.
[15:15] <Darael> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5616205/ (without -v) and http://paste.ubuntu.com/5616208/ (with -v)
[15:15] <Darael> I can't make head nor tail of the latter.
[15:16] <directhex> that windows entry looks incomplete, since it isn't referring to a specific bootmgfw.efi
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> ~
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> oops
[15:18] <Darael> Frankly there shouldn't be one at all:  This box has never *had* a uefi Windows install.
[15:19] <directhex> yeah, it's weird
[15:19] <directhex> you can delete the entry with -B Boot0000
[15:20] <directhex> i think
[15:20] <Darael> -Bb 0000, actually, but yes.
[15:21] <Darael> Which is interesting, because it won't accept setting the boot order, or setting BootNext.
[15:21] <Darael> Fails without error message.
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> yay firmware!
[15:21] <Darael> At least adding and deleting entries worked.
[15:21] <Darael> Well, I haven't tried adding.
[15:21] <directhex> sounds like a garbage firmware implementation tbh :/
[15:22] <Darael> But if deleting works one would *hope* adding would, too.
[15:22] <Darael> Yeah, that's the conclusion I've been reaching.
[15:22] <directhex> ubuntu installer should have added...
[15:23] <Darael> Well, EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi is at least *present* on the EFI boot partition.
[15:24] <directhex> so... let's see if we can work out the format for adding
[15:24] <directhex> Boot0018* ubuntu	HD(1,800,32000,a5537a27-f981-47a4-b01c-bcf40f81cfef)File(\EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi)
[15:25] <directhex> oh, efibootmgr automates it
[15:25] <directhex> it should just do it, if /boot/efi is mounted, and you call "efibootmgr -c"
[15:26] <Darael> Nope.  Fails silently.
[15:26] <directhex> oh. good.
[15:26] <directhex> no wonder the ubuntu installer failed.
[15:26] <directhex> dumb question: is there an updated FW on the laptop manufacturer's site?
[15:27] <Darael> Nope.
[15:27] <Darael> Had a look, but no luck.
[15:27] <Darael> Well, yes and no.
[15:28] <Darael> There are two things in the firmware package.  One is the BIOS, which is the same as the version installed.
[15:28] <Darael> One is some other thing, listed in the setup as "KBC/EC Firmware", which is supplied at version 1.02.04 but installed at 1.02.03.
[15:31] <Darael> But I don't trust that, because AFAICT it's just what's on some Russian website, whereas Clevo provide a whole bunch of downloads, all of which are drivers for W7 or W8.
[15:32] <Darael> *Must* find a way to stop getting Clevo rebrands.
[15:34] <mungbean> galaxy tab 3 announced
[15:36] <Darael> Right.  So, with no firmware updates I trust, I guess it's time to give up and just install everything in BIOS mode.
[15:36] <Darael> Pity.
[15:36] <Darael> Never mind.
[15:38] <directhex> Darael, well done for giving it a proper go without screaming conspiracy
[15:41] <directhex> srsly though, shipping a broken uefi is more expensive than shipping a working one, since it means you looked at intel's mit-licensed implementation which works fine and decided "nope, let's not use that, let's do it ourselves instead. i'm sure we're smarter than intel's army of engineers and OSS contributors"
[15:43] <Darael> Yup.  Somewhat irritating.
[15:47] <directhex> looks like american megatrends' uefi implementation, "aptio", is based on tianocore
[15:47] <directhex> also phoenix securecore
[15:48] <directhex> so who is writing bad firmware??!
[15:48] <ali1234> tianocore is itself broken
[15:49] <ali1234> so basically everyone
[15:49] <ali1234> sara_: please try this kernel http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/btpatch/
[15:50] <Darael> The last laptop I had also had an AM firmware, as I recall.  And the UEFI *worked*, except for the minor detail that the screen backlight wouldn't come on in UEFI mode.
[15:50] <directhex> ali1234, but it's common broken. meaning tianocore workarounds should be global workarounds
[15:51] <directhex> Darael, seems like vendor-specific fuckuppery there
[15:51] <directhex> er, ill chosen words, maybe
[15:51] <Darael> directhex: Yeah, that was my guess.  Still an interesting one.
[15:51] <directhex> getting this thinkpad going with uefi was easy(*)
[17:01] <sara_> ali1234, how to do that safely?
[17:02] <ali1234> download the three files and then install them with dpkg -i or by just double clicking
[17:02] <ali1234> linux-headers then linux-image then linux-image-extras
[17:02] <ali1234> then reboot
[17:03] <ali1234> after reboot run dmesg | less
[17:04] <ali1234> the third line should contain "root@al-raring32" if you are running this kernel
[17:04] <ali1234> then run hciconfig -a
[17:04] <sara_> ali1234,  step by step please
[17:04] <sara_> no assumptions (except that i dont know what dpkg  is
[17:05] <ali1234> just download the files
[17:05] <ali1234> then double click on each one
[17:05] <ali1234> and follow the instructions
[17:07] <sara_> :) oh crap they are .deb     (i just woke up, i am a bit slow, i understand how to use .deb
[17:08] <celesteh> hi, i'm trying to write a script that determines if a particular audio device is  attached to my computer.  I can find that via aplay -l |grep and store that in variable, but I'm doing something wrong with the if statement...
[17:08] <directhex> ali1234, good show, btw. compiling a kernel for someone is a big jump in helping someone outness
[17:11] <sara_> ali1234, is it nessucary to boot into a different kernal as it's saying i need to remove 3 packages  and to reinstall the packages
[17:12] <sara_> directhex, if i had a job i'd send ali1234  flowers
[17:13] <sara_> or chocolate
[17:13] <sara_> or something
[17:13] <sara_> thats how greatful i am
[17:19] <sara_> ali1234, http://dug.im/19bb6
[17:19] <sara_> is this normal?
[17:20] <ali1234> sara_: hmm. no
[17:20] <ali1234> use dpkg instead
[17:21] <ali1234> sudo dpkg -i linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic_3.8.0-19.29_i386.deb
[17:21] <ali1234> and the same for the others
[17:23] <sara_> or drag and drop the packages onto a terminal :D
[17:24] <ali1234> yes, i suppose that would work
[17:25] <ali1234> it should say something about "unpacking replacement"
[17:25] <sara_> discovered that by accident. Saved my litterally years of my life
[17:25] <sara_> yes
[17:25] <sara_> i will paste the output then reboot
[17:27] <sara_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5616598/ i accidentally pressed ctrl +c but i think it corrected it
[17:27] <ali1234> ah you attempted to install them in the wrong order
[17:28] <ali1234> yeah that should be ok... hopefully
[17:28] <sara_> if not?
[17:29] <ali1234> have a livecd handy
[17:29] <sara_> ok
[17:31] <sara_> vi ses
[17:36] <sara> ali1234,  "no adaptor found" when i try to enable it
[17:36] <ali1234> pastebin dmesg and hciconfig -a
[17:39] <sara> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5616639/
[17:39] <sara> both posted in the same output
[17:43] <ali1234> ok, hang on, building another kernel
[17:44] <sara> i so owe you chocolate
[17:44] <sara> :P
[18:49] <mungbean> oooh precise-proposed now has the gpu hang fix
[18:50] <Laney> test it and report back on the bug!
[18:50] <mungbean> its my work pc.. gonna do 1st thiung :)
[19:28] <ali1234> what's the name of the bot to search freenode channels?
[19:29] <ali1234> answer: alis
[19:45] <ali1234> sara: new kernel: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/btpatch/2/
[19:45] <ali1234> this still won't work but it will put lots of debugging into dmesg
[19:46] <sara> ok
[19:53] <sara> ali1234, like this  sudo apt-get install '/home/sara/Downloads/linux-image-extra-3.8.0-19-generic_3.8.0-19.29_i386.deb' '/home/sara/Downloads/linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic_3.8.0-19.29_i386.deb' '/home/sara/Downloads/linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic_3.8.0-19.29_i386.deb'
[19:53] <sara> right?
[19:53] <sara> or different order?
[19:53] <ali1234> you should install linux-image-extra last
[19:55] <dwatkins> all this awesomeness reminds me I've never actually compiled a Linux kernel - is there a good tutorial on how to do it? Last time I tried, I appeared to be missing some essential config files, iirc...
[19:57] <sara> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5617107/ same nomatter where i put it @ ali1234
[19:58] <ali1234> it has to be in the current directory
[19:59] <ali1234> dwatkins: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[19:59] <ali1234> it's really out of date and doesn't work properly though
[19:59] <dwatkins> hmm, ok thanks - will have a look anyway
[20:00] <sara> no use, same issue
[20:00] <ali1234> also it takes about 2 hours
[20:00] <ali1234> whether it works or not
[20:01] <ali1234> sara: wait you're supposed to use dpkg
[20:01] <shauno> seriously?  it used to take me 10 minutes or so
[20:01] <ali1234> shauno: full ubuntu kernel builds every module
[20:02] <shauno> ah.  that used to be half the point of building it
[20:02] <dwatkins> that it was quick, shauno?
[20:03] <shauno> to be able to remove everything you haven't heard of
[20:03] <dwatkins> ah right
[20:04] <dwatkins> I was just thinking it might be useful as a learning experience, or if I have hardware which doesn't work, but can be patched etc.
[20:04] <shauno> it's been quite a while since I've messed with this, but it used to be that if you wrote a kernel straight to a floppy, it'd end up bootable.  not very portable, since things like root= can't be changed without a bootloader (it defaults to the current root when it was built)
[20:04] <shauno> but handy in a crunch
[20:05] <dwatkins> ahhh, floppy disks, I remember the days...
[20:05] <dwatkins> iirc the first slackware distro I used needed two floppies
[20:06] <shauno> the first one I used needed a tonne (3.3), but you only really needed the 7 or 8 'A' disks
[20:06] <shauno> but yeah.  nostalgia aside, there used to be fairly reasonable reasons for taking out anything you didn't need.  whether for disk or ram constraints.  now hardware's practically free, convenience rules
[20:07] <sara> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5617130/ AlanBell
[20:07] <sara> ali1234,
[20:07] <dwatkins> yeah, and systems are more likely to have 32GB of RAM than 32MB of it, well almost.
[20:08] <shauno> indeed.  I'm trying to scrape together 64GB for my current build.  my first linux box had 3MB.  priorities have changed :)
[20:08] <mungbean> hoarders programme inspires me to tidy up
[20:08] <mungbean> channel 4
[20:08] <shauno> but I'll keep quiet about that, else I'll just end up griping about DDR2 prices when others are trying to be useful :/
[20:08] <dwatkins> I just upgraded my main laptop to 8GB, it's nearly 3 years old and going strong, but I'll probably have to bite the bullet and get an i7 someday soon
[20:08] <mungbean> ali1234: how to use alis?
[20:09] <ali1234>  /msg alis help
[20:14] <sara> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5617141/ ali1234
[20:14] <ali1234> well that's interesting
[20:15] <ali1234> ok i need to build another kernel it looks like
[20:15] <sara> dmesg | less
[20:15] <sara> no?
[20:16] <ali1234> yeah. it didn't do anything
[20:16]  * sara goes to make food
[20:17] <brobostigon> theres dedication for you.
[20:19] <dwatkins> yeah, much respect to ali1234 for continuing to compile kernels
[20:31] <sara> dwatkins, they are akin with wonderwoman or batman :)
[20:33] <sara> brobostigon, i would have given up at kernal
[20:33] <brobostigon> sara: is it a kernel patch, that allows for your individual hardware, that isnt in standard kernel?
[20:34] <sara> its a widely used bt card
[20:35] <sara> k53u asus
[20:35] <brobostigon> ok,
[20:36]  * dwatkins thought ali1234 was compiling the entire kernel, not just providing patches
[20:36] <dwatkins> then again, it's presumably a case of applying patches -yo- the kernel
[20:36] <dwatkins> *to
[20:36] <brobostigon> thats what i thought,
[20:37] <dwatkins> ah ok sorry
[20:37] <brobostigon> dwatkins: i maybe wrong though.
[23:08]  * popey wonders why he got an SMS telling me Philip Taylor has photos to show you on Path!
[23:08] <popey> with a url I'm not about to click on
[23:09] <bigcalm> Who and what?
[23:11] <popey> well, "Philip Taylor" might be brobostigon or it might be a random name
[23:11] <popey> but this sms came from a number I have never seen, and gives me a path.com/i/xxxxxx url
[23:11] <popey> so I assume brobostigon signed up to it and somehow had my mobile number
[23:12] <brobostigon> popey: sorry, a new piece of software dud sonething unexpected, sorry.
[23:12] <brobostigon> foursquare?
[23:13] <popey> ok, so i know where it came from now, thanks brobostigon
[23:15] <brobostigon> popey: my apologies, several people have told me it did this in the last hour, so i have nuked my account with path to avoid more problems.
[23:16] <popey> heh
[23:16] <popey> np
[23:16] <brobostigon> best thing to do.
[23:17] <bigcalm> I've been catching up on the new shorter uupc eps. Was listening to a recentish one where popey says "14th, 15th & 16th". At the moment of saying "16th", my system froze and I had popey saying "eenth" over and over and over again
[23:17] <brobostigon> it isnt worth it, if it hassles people like that.
[23:17] <bigcalm> popey: as much as I love your voice, that was a little disturbing after a while
[23:17] <shauno> bigcalm: sounds like that deserves a refund :)
[23:17] <bigcalm> shauno: you get what you pay for ;)
[23:19] <shauno> I have a fun problem with my laptop where it just hangs hard.  doesn't seem to matter what OS it's running at the time.  stops dead, parks disks, and then beeps very very loudly.  louder than I had any idea these speakers were capable of
[23:19] <shauno> I think I'd rather have popey stuttering
[23:26] <bigcalm> Sleep mode


[23:35] <astroo--> Ubuntu user forums hack leaks millions of user details  http://www.itnews.com.au/news/ubuntu-user-forums-hack-leaks-millions-of-user-details-430954


 arraybolt3: TBD.  i have to look into setting it up first
 as simon said it isnt straightforward
[16:26] <RikMills> ISOs still failing
 Lubuntu was sucessful yesterday but no ISO link to dwonload?? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <RikMills> ISOs still failing)
 The liveFS built ok. The ISO build itself failed (re @Leokolb: Lubuntu was sucessful yesterday but no ISO link to dwonload??)
 Ah...tks info (re @RikMills: The liveFS built ok. The ISO build itself failed)
 https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/lunar/daily-live-20221121.log
 tks again
[16:54]  * RikMills[m] sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/1d56f3d670af87ba81e6a0dce29b6f582119337c
 same for other flavours
 being looked into apparently.....
 patience is a virtue..😊
 yep
 same fail on today's that just ran
 sighs on isos still failing


[11:04] <mup> Issue operator#521 closed: type hint for charm_class should include subtypes <Created by sed-i> <Closed by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/521>
[11:04] <mup> PR operator#522 closed: We take a class, not an object <Created by jameinel> <Merged by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/522>


[12:24] <belkinsa> Happy Fourth of July everyone!
[21:19] <dsmythies> knome are you around?
[21:22] <dsmythies> knome: I am wondering about this deletion: <<Include(DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/MenuBar)>> as I liked it was way to move around quickly within the system docs pages.
[21:23] <dsmythies> Example reference:
[21:23] <dsmythies> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/BuildingDocumentation?action=diff&rev1=34&rev2=35
[22:11] <knome> dsmythies, from my point of view, this supports the new user better.
[22:12] <knome> dsmythies, when they land on the main page, their attention does not go to the menubar and sublinks but the content
[22:12] <knome> inside that content, we can control what we want them to read first and what are the last steps
[22:34] <dsmythies> knome: O.K. but now I do not how to move around between the serverguide and building and editing and repository pages. Something I do constantly. (I can learn a new method.)
[22:36] <knome> dsmythies, if they are constantly used together, maybe we can think where we'd need to the other pages in the wiki
[22:37] <knome> or we can of course go back to the old menu stuff, though i'd still say that's counterproductive for new users
[22:40] <dsmythies> knome: Thanks for explaining. I'll just bookmark all the pages I use. Previously, I only had one bookmarked, because I just used the menu after that. And truth be known all the pages I use weren't part of the menu anyhow.
[22:42] <knome> mhm
[22:42] <knome> belkinsa said she'd like a sitemap-like page, so maybe that's one option
[22:43] <knome> because clearly we aren't linking all the pages in the menu or anywhere where you can get a good idea what kind of pages we have
[22:45] <dsmythies> I just want to dart around as fast as possible... (I suspect I speak for all of us when I say "there just isn't enough time")
[22:47] <knome> sure.
[22:47] <knome> though having to dart around many many pages tells me about another problem than the menu
[22:47] <knome> which is badly organized data
[22:49] <knome> ok, i need to go to bed
[22:49] <knome> i'm falling asleep with my laptop on the lap
[22:51] <dsmythies> I just went through that group of pages during the last cycle. Myself, I think they are O.K. and organized alright. I just keep forgetting how to do stuff and find if I deviate from the list then I make a mistake. I mainly go between these three (even for desktop stuff):
[22:51] <dsmythies> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository/Members-Serverguide
[22:51] <knome> they look OK, but they could be better :)
[22:52] <knome> but yeah, i'm probably the wrong person to evaluate that anyway since i'm not really using them
[22:52] <dsmythies> Oh, I missed that you are exiting... never mind.
[22:52] <knome> that's okay
[22:52] <knome> have a nice day :)
[22:52] <dsmythies> Have a nice night
[22:52] <knome> and good night!