[07:37] <riotkittie> no wait. theyre both uless.
[07:38] <opensorce_> why did I call you "nokit"??
[07:38] <opensorce_> so is that good or bad?
[07:39] <hetauma> amarok can play .mp3 but can't play streams? why? what should I install ?
[07:39] <OpenSorce> bazhang, yes this is my mac
[07:39] <opensorce_> this is the ubuntu box
[07:39] <bazhang> opensorce_: sure! if you do an apt-cache search in the terminal, then you will find a package called restricted-manager-kde and restricted-manager-core
[07:39] <OpenSorce> bazhang, I love you
[07:40] <bazhang> opensorce_: that's sick..haha
[07:40] <opensorce_> tryng it now
[07:40] <opensorce_> you'd really think it was sick if knew that I was gay :-0
[07:40] <TheInfinity> my webcam also still does not work
[07:41] <TheInfinity> huh. sometimes linux and (quite) new hardware is really lots of stress
[07:41] <riotkittie> if an adapter is fully supported under linux, will it need restricted  drivers?
[07:41] <opensorce_> but do I need it? Is the DWL-120 driver restricted?
[07:42] <opensorce_> I'll install it anyway....my nvidia geforce will need restricted drivers I'm sure
[07:43] <opensorce_> "restricted-manager-kde is already the newest version."
[07:45] <riotkittie> have you tried modprobing acx?
[07:46] <OpenSorce> acx? no....I'll try that though
[07:47] <opensorce_> It still shows as a wired device too....
[07:47] <opensorce_> I seem to be lagged over here now
[07:48] <opensorce_> hmm
[07:49] <OpenSorce> ok, I modprobed acx....don't see any changes..
[07:50] <opensorce_> any other suggestions?
[07:53] <OpenSorce> oh well...maybe I should try out some other distros....come back to ubuntu when 7.10 released
[07:54] <riotkittie> hmm. there... hold a sec
[07:54] <OpenSorce> ?
[07:54] <macogw> wow thats confusing
[07:54] <macogw> you guys have the same username... or is that one person who needs to ghost?
[07:54] <bazhang> OpenSorce: acx? isn't that the ti card?
[07:54] <riotkittie> no, its one guy on too boxes
[07:54] <riotkittie> two
[07:55] <riotkittie> bazhang: yea
[07:55] <WorkingOnWise> is network manager or madwifi broken?
[07:55] <opensorce_> I dunno what the chipset is actually....I can look it up
[07:55] <riotkittie> http://acx100.sourceforge.net/matrix.html  << opensource driver project for your card. i'm not sure if building it will help or not but if you're up for it, i imagine it cant hurt
[07:56] <riotkittie> it's a ti. i looked it up :P
[07:56] <bazhang> acx=texas instruments
[07:56] <macogw> WorkingOnWise: nm is broken in a few ways
[07:56] <riotkittie> acx100
[07:56] <OpenSorce> riotkittie, you're awsome
[07:56] <riotkittie> nah, if i was awesome, we'd have your problem solved at this point.  :P
[07:56] <macogw> WorkingOnWise: if you can't disable wireless or disable networking or if it doesnt store vpn passwords or if you can't switch to wired once wireless has connected...that's nm being broken
[07:56] <bazhang> acx has no wpa only wep.
[07:56] <macogw> i have to reboot to go from wireless to wired >:-(
[07:57] <OpenSorce> riotkittie, maybe we're getting there
[07:57] <WorkingOnWise> I was downloading pkgs with synaptics, and my internet connection died. nm can see my wifi connection, but can't connect to it. I'm in Winxp (grrr) on the same machine, so hardware and wifi are ok.
[07:57] <riotkittie> in that case, ndiswrapper would be the better choice, bazhang ?
[07:57] <OpenSorce> apt-get it?
[07:58] <bazhang> acx is supported in Ubuntu, or it should be. I had no trouble using it, but didn't want just the easily cracked wep for encryption.
[07:58] <WorkingOnWise> oh, and synaptics was downloading...had not begun installing anything at the time.
[07:59] <riotkittie> there is an unstable release of the driver which does support wpa
[07:59] <WorkingOnWise> oh, and nm can see a neighbors wifi, which is wep, and when I try to connect to it, I am asked for the password...
[07:59] <opensorce_> bazhang, I live in the woods and restrict access by mac addresses.....no real worries on security
[07:59] <bazhang> mac addresses can be spoofed..
[08:00] <riotkittie> yea, but few people go to the woods to look for wifi to steal :P
[08:00] <Skwid_> hey everyone
[08:00] <opensorce_> bazhang, if anybody wants to come to lower Alabama and spoof a mac addess so they can get my mom's cobbler recipes....they're welcome to it :-)
[08:00] <Skwid_> i keep getting crash reports
[08:00] <Skwid_> for all sorts of applications
[08:00] <riotkittie> WorkingOnWise: just curious, what chipset is your wireless adapter equipped with?
[08:00] <Skwid_> in gutsy
[08:00] <Skwid_> but it doesnt seem like the application actually crash
[08:00] <Skwid_> anybody else have the same problem ?
[08:01] <bazhang> opensorce_: haha
[08:01] <riotkittie> Skwid_:  not i. gutsy's been rock solid, for the most part.
[08:01] <riotkittie> mmm. cobbler recipes. <packs a bag>
[08:01] <jager> most of my issues with gutsy are configuration related not stability related
[08:02] <Skwid_> hum ok
[08:02] <jager> no random crashes of note in the last few weeks
[08:02] <riotkittie> Skwid_: did you do a clean install, or did you upgrade from feisty?
[08:02] <Skwid_> upgrade
[08:02] <Skwid_> from fesity
[08:02] <jager> this is a dist-upgrade
[08:02] <Skwid_> which eas upgraded from edgy
[08:02] <Skwid_> :)
[08:02] <OpenSorce> riotkittie, you come right on down...not only will we give you the recipes we'll stuff you full of cobbler before you leave :-)
[08:02] <Skwid_> which was upgraded from breezy lol
[08:03] <Skwid_> i might need a clean install :)
[08:03] <jager> clean installs are for noobs!
[08:03] <jager> muahaha!
[08:03] <Konam> Skwid_ of course you need!
[08:03] <Konam> :)
[08:03] <Konam> i always do a clean install, i have the home in other partition so it doesn't bothers me
[08:04] <OpenSorce> okay...I already had ndiswrapper so I grabbed ndiswrapper-common....what should I do now?
[08:04] <george> Hello, does anyone know how to get the 0x000 address for a parallel port
[08:07] <clusty> how much swap should I have. followed the old rule that swap is double the RAM but i rarely get to use more than 100mb of swap. is it safe to reduce it?
[08:07] <opensorce__> I think the crossover cable I am using is getting old
[08:07] <Pici> clusty: Unless you are planning on suspending to disk, do whatever you feel like :)
[08:07] <savvas> clusty: about 500mb is always good
[08:08] <clusty> Pici: i actually am planing :D
[08:08] <clusty> so should be a wee bit bigger than ram?
[08:08] <Pici> clusty: Then you need at least as much as you have ram.
[08:08] <Pici> Yes.
[08:08] <Pici> I usually do 1.5x-2x ram.
[08:08] <clusty> well 2 GB of ram means 4 GB of swap
[08:08] <clusty> thats what i have
[08:09] <clusty> of which i am using 30mb
[08:09] <clusty> prolly consumption will increase once i am able to use suspend :D
[08:09] <Pici> Yes
[08:09] <clusty> cause now i reboot 2-3 times a day
[08:09] <Pici> I'm only using 34mb of my 2gb of swap, but HD space is cheap, so I'm not worried.
[08:10] <gr33npho3nix> hey guys so its a problem with the madwifi the newer madwifi driver supporting wpa2, it works if i knock it down to WPA  :(
[08:11] <clusty> there was some magical tool to scan the wireless network in range. i need it to find out what channels are my neighbours using . Scouts honor :D
[08:11] <reya276> TheInfinity: I guess it depends, if you need that webcam badly then yes, but if not eventually it will get an update and work
[08:11] <savvas> clusty: aircrack-ng
[08:11] <gr33npho3nix> clusty: iwlist interfaceName scan
[08:12] <TheInfinity> reya276: i know how to activate it, but its so pedantically especially with kernel updates ...
[08:12] <clusty> gr33npho3nix: i have to be disconnected form a particular access point?
[08:13] <gr33npho3nix> clusty: don't know,  maybe, i saw something about the card doing that with a specific driver, so i would assume that it implies disconnecting is not a regular behavior
[08:13] <gr33npho3nix> but even so disconnect for a second
[08:13] <reya276> TheInfinity: Oh boy (pedantically) I'm going to have to look this word up ok, hold on
[08:13] <gr33npho3nix> then reconnect after the scan
[08:14] <TheInfinity> reya276: its also a word my translater said ;)
[08:14] <savvas> pedantical* then
[08:14] <savvas> :p
[08:15] <TheInfinity> savvas: i just made copy&paste :D
[08:15] <reya276> TheInfinity: I know, just messing with you, I actually don't know what it means :-[, LOL
[08:15] <savvas> it's something like "not messy" or "clean"? :p
[08:15] <reya276> Still No Wacom Bambooo Tablet support, very sad..... :-(
[08:15] <opensorce__> this makes me so frustrated.....there's my wifi card in KDE's list of network interfaces...the lights are flashing like it's sending and receiving.....but still nothing
[08:16] <savvas> pedantic = academic: marked by a narrow focus on or display of learning especially its trivial aspects
[08:16] <reya276> have you checked to make sure you have the right adapter selected?
[08:17] <reya276> sometimes it tends to happen, deselect the wired connection and then deselect the Wiereless and then reselect it
[08:18] <reya276> sorry reselect the wireless and leave the wire one unchecked
[08:19] <reya276> sawas: thanks, now I know what it means, boy so....much for that college education huh?
[08:19] <reya276> LOL
[08:19] <OpenSorce> reya276, it only shows the wifi adaptor....and it shows it as a wired card
[08:20] <JediMaster> hmmm, anyone know how to add a boost to the microphone?
[08:20] <lee_> ahh the gustsy server lol
[08:20] <atlef> this is my disk partitions, http://pastebin.com/d6028981e which do I need to format when installing a new version of ubuntu?
[08:20] <lee_> so has any one loaded atis drivers on to gutsy?
[08:20] <reya276> OpenSorce: wow dude, that is strange, this should not happen, ok do this, deselect both and then restart your OS and see what happens, see if it will select the correct one at boo time
[08:21] <lee_> ouch
[08:21] <reya276> it should, you are running gutsy beta right
[08:21] <lee_> yeppers
[08:21] <lee_> save for it saying I am using only 32 megs of video raam everything else is working fine
[08:21] <lee_> eh is it sharing my ram?
[08:22] <WorkingOnWis2> sorry about the rude departure. It seems my wifi problem is router related. sorry
[08:22] <Pici> lee_: What video card do you have?
[08:22] <lee_> Pici I have the radeon x 300
[08:22] <lee_> PICe
[08:22] <OpenSorce> reya276, yes I am....It showed them both before my last reboot and now it just shows wlan1 as a wired card
[08:22] <reya276> lee_: loading ATI drivers on Gutsy Beta is a no no, you should wait until they release an stable version through the Upgrade as I tried do it this and I messed up the install
[08:23] <Pici> The restricted drivers work fine for my radeon x1400
[08:23] <lee_> Pici eh um, er well when the guts comes out as a normal version Ill reformat
[08:23] <amias> JediMaster, try the volume control or alsamixer , there will be a toggle switch if your hardware supports it
[08:23] <Seeker`> hi, I'm having a problem with nvidia-new and my 8800GTS
[08:24] <lee_> Pici messed up waht install?
[08:24] <reya276> lee_: if you are getting a Composite engine not found when trying to enable the effects, you should wait until they release a new version or the frxgl dirvers
[08:25] <lee_> that is strange I havnt recieved that error
[08:25] <OpenSorce> ok...thanks again guys, but I need to find another distro to try out.....I'll revisit this one when they get it working...I'll wait til then to write my article
[08:25] <lee_> oh wait, yes, Idid Oh so that is waht that was all about
[08:26] <lee_> Pici I wish some one would have tol me this sooner lol
[08:26] <reya276> OpenSource: Wait, when you say wlan1, you mean the wireless card or the wired card
[08:26] <Pici> lee_: I didnt say anything about a messed up install or having any problems.
[08:27] <lee_> Pici Oh..I see waht your saying though..so when it comes to the up date then...is that where in I might have the issues?
[08:27] <OpenSorce> reya276, wlan1 is my wireless card....the KDE Network Manager seems to think it's wired and so does iwconfig
[08:28] <Pici> lee_: No, Ask reya276 he was the one who mentioned the issues.
[08:28] <OpenSorce> the gui no longer shows my realtek card even though I can enable it with ifconfig...
[08:28] <reya276> again very starnge, and you are using KDE with Ubuntu Gutsy Beta or Kubuntu?
[08:28] <lee_> Pici, no one told me this befor >< lol
[08:29] <OpenSorce> I am using Kubuntu Gutsy beta I thought...
[08:29] <lee_> reya276 eh waht was taht aobut the issues with the drivers on gutsy and the oops I did?
[08:30] <lee_> pic Ohh sorry my bad tracking of lines..eh needs to where glasses lol
[08:30] <OpenSorce> reya276, either way this is just not a distro I can recommend to new users so I'll revisit it when they fix it
[08:31] <lee_> reya276 how come no one warned me of this befor ?
[08:31] <OpenSorce> reya276, sad part is, everything worked fine on the 6.06 install...I grabbed the gutsy beta to be able to report all the new features :-)
[08:32] <reya276> lee_: yes the thing is Ubuntu/Linux and ATI drivers don't really get along simply because until now ATI did not have opensource drivers, but they do now and eventually things will function better once they release stable drivers. Right now the only thing you can probably do is try to use the effects under an XGL session
[08:32] <Daviey> Seeker`: ^ nobody cares about your nvidia-new problems
[08:32] <Seeker`> :(
[08:33] <reya276> OpenSorce: Well that's not very fair, you are basing this on a beta version to write this article, hell I would recommend this distro to new users, remember this thing officially comes out on the 18th of October
[08:33] <lee_> reya276 erg, how do I do that change from open gl to the other format?
[08:33] <OpenSorce> reya276, all I've managed to accomplish thus far was getting banned from #ubuntu.....and NO....as I said I will revisit it when the official release comes out
[08:34] <bazhang> OpenSorce: she's right.
[08:34] <OpenSorce> bazhang, I agree with her....we'll look at it again on the 18th...maybe they'll get it working by then
[08:34] <bazhang> OpenSorce: and people here have gone out of their way to help you--hope you mention that in your article.
[08:35] <lee_> reya276 erg......this is a pain full lesson lol
[08:35] <reya276> lee_: Well you have to first install XGL server which if you want to get more info and help on how to achieve this I would go to #ubuntu-effects and ask anyone there.
[08:35] <bazhang> or at least break your box further..haha
[08:35] <OpenSorce> bazhang, absolutely!!! This has been one of the most helpful chat experiences I've ever had
[08:35] <JediMaster> I agree, everyone here has been a great help
[08:35] <bazhang> JediMaster: even moi...?
[08:35] <JediMaster> yup =)
[08:35] <bazhang> wowza
[08:36] <savvas> is there a "how to" for installing vmware server?
[08:36] <bazhang> JediMaster: are you fixed yet>
[08:36] <OpenSorce> of course...I DO have to mention that seveas banned me from #ubuntu :-)
[08:36] <bazhang> ?
[08:36] <lee_> well at least I have learned how to change the channels so far in IRC lol
[08:36] <JediMaster> bazhang: everything but the keyboard layout
[08:36] <bazhang> opensorce why?
[08:36] <JediMaster> bazhang: and some solution to get Everquest 2 working in linux lol
[08:36] <OpenSorce> lee_ see? there you go!
[08:36] <OpenSorce> bazhang, I told him to bite me :-)
[08:36] <lee_> while now being stuc in 3 chat rrelays
[08:37] <OpenSorce> I sent him an apology later in a privmsg....I hope he got it
[08:37] <bushwakko> hey, I've installed ubuntu gutsy on my macbook pro
[08:37] <bushwakko> and i'm wondering what the best way to install the new madwifi driver is?
[08:37] <OpenSorce> bushwakko, wow
[08:37] <bushwakko> restricted driver managment didnt find it
[08:37] <bazhang> a brave soul indeed..haha
[08:38] <bushwakko> bazhang, me?
[08:38] <reya276> OpenSorce: I understand, but again, you've should have waited until the official release, hopefully then you can recommend this distro to new users I would 100%
[08:38] <OpenSorce> bushwakko, that makes me want to go trade in my Mercedes for a John Deere!
[08:38] <bazhang> bushwakko: yes!
[08:39] <OpenSorce> reya276, I would have recommended 6.06 if it had been the latest release....I'm sure they'll get this going
[08:39] <bushwakko> well, it isn't that hard ;)
[08:39] <bushwakko> but I'm a ubuntu n00b
[08:39] <bushwakko> I used to use gentoo all the time
[08:39] <bazhang> but a Macbook?
[08:39] <bushwakko> but I don't want to compile the shit outta my fans
[08:39] <bushwakko> macbook pro
[08:39] <bazhang> oy
[08:39] <bushwakko> I'm actually going for tripleboot
[08:39] <OpenSorce> bushwakko, how is gentoo.....I mean if I were a complete noob?
[08:39] <psycose> hi i've install the ubuntu 7.10, few hour later my main alimentation burned ....(what a coincidence) i've put another one and it's ok now
[08:40] <bazhang> vista too?
[08:40] <bushwakko> OpenSorce, I love gentoo, the package system is fantastic
[08:40] <psycose> there is an app called tracker-extract how take 90% of my CPU do you know what is it for ? thanks
[08:40] <OpenSorce> bushwakko, is it as time consuming as it once was?
[08:40] <bushwakko> if you can stand the compiling
[08:40] <bushwakko> well, the cpus are getting faster
[08:40] <reya276> OpenSource: they will and I do hope you come back and try it again, if anything try and stop by the #ubuntu-florida channel and we can probably solve your issue as there will likely be less people on this channel
[08:40] <OpenSorce> bushwakko, hehe
[08:41] <OpenSorce> reya276, well thanks so much :-)
[08:41] <bushwakko> well, but back to my question here
[08:41] <bushwakko> I need newer madwifi drivers
[08:41] <bushwakko> how to get it=
[08:41] <bazhang> !wifi
[08:41] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:41] <bushwakko> and how do I get compiz fusion in, I can't find any fusion-icon packages
[08:42] <OpenSorce> bazhang, I don't suppose this madwifi business would help my issue would it?
[08:42] <reya276> OpenSource: No problem, that is what we are here for to help each other out
[08:42] <bazhang> for an acx? naw.
[08:43] <reya276> bushwakko: type of graphics card do you have?
[08:43] <psycose> well i try again do you know what is tracker-extract for it take 90% of my CPU .... just when the gnome session start
[08:43] <bushwakko> reya276, ati x1600
[08:43] <bushwakko> the fglrx is installed
[08:43] <OpenSorce> still drives me mad....I can see the lights on this thing trying to connect when I ping....ok, I'm off....thanks again
[08:43] <fyrestrtr> I see alsa is still broken in gutsy
[08:44] <nanonyme> it is?
[08:44] <Pici> psycose: Disable or decrease your indexing usage, I think the option is in System>Preferences>Indexing or Tracker.
[08:44] <reya276> if it's an ATI and you get a message stating you need the composite engine then you will probably not get it going, go to #ubuntu-effects and ask there they should be able to get it going for you
[08:44] <nanonyme> i hadn't noticed
[08:44] <bushwakko> but the restricted driver package doesn't recognize that I ahve that card
[08:44] <bazhang> I got sound going finally...
[08:44] <fyrestrtr> yes, same issue with fiesty -- intel hda audio is not functional on boot.
[08:44] <reya276> bushwakko:if it's an ATI and you get a message stating you need the composite engine then you will probably not get it going, go to #ubuntu-effects and ask there they should be able to get it going for you
[08:44] <fyrestrtr> you have to compile alsa from scratch, iirc.
[08:44] <bushwakko> reya276, I want to install fusion-icon, thats my problem
[08:44] <Th3Oz> hi, is there a repository for virtualbox non OSE (Open Source Edition)?
[08:45] <bazhang> bushwakko: no such package that I know of...
[08:45] <bushwakko> hm
[08:45] <psycose> thanks Pici
[08:45] <fyrestrtr> !info fusion-icon gutsy
[08:45] <ubotu> Package fusion-icon does not exist in gutsy
[08:45] <bushwakko> I thought using fusion-icon was the recommended way to start stuff these days
[08:45] <bazhang> bushwakko: you want compizconfig-settings manager
[08:45] <savvas> Th3Oz: www.virtualbox.org
[08:45] <mlind> fyrestrtr: you have snd_hda_intel in your kernel?'
[08:46] <Th3Oz> savvas: i haven't seen it for gusty
[08:46] <fyrestrtr> mlind: yes, as I had it working properly in fiesty :)
[08:46] <psycose> well i was playing whith my wifi card (rt61) when my main power suply burned (may be 30 minute after the 7.10 install) do you think it could be related ?
[08:46] <mlind> fyrestrtr: sigh* alsa then ..
[08:46] <mulima> hi,   in gutsy  i couldn't play mp3 files using gstreamer appz is there a known bug about this issue ?
[08:46] <informaticous> salut
[08:46] <mulima> i have all gstreamer plugins isntalled and i get this error with totem "Message: don't know how to handle application/x-id3" (using gutsy)
[08:47] <fyrestrtr> mlind: yes, I posted a bug about it (for fiesty); just came in here to check if anyone faced the same issue again. I upgraded from fiesty to gutsy, so I want to eliminate it as an upgrade glitch.
[08:47] <bushwakko> ok
[08:47] <hummer> hi all
[08:47] <bushwakko> I don't seem to have sound either
[08:47] <savvas> Th3Oz: it'll be there when gutsy is final
[08:47] <reya276> bushwakko: you want an Icon? then go to your desktop, click create launcher then in the command enter compiz and then try to click on it and see if it works
[08:48] <mulima> i have the same pbm about mp3 playback with rythmbox and exaile
[08:48] <fyrestrtr> bushwakko: what kind of audio card do you have?
[08:48] <bushwakko> reya276, fusion-icon is the systray icon which you can control everything with
[08:48] <mulima> totem can find any plugin support when i accept i look for a solution
[08:48] <bushwakko> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[08:48] <bazhang> hi hummer
[08:48] <hummer> can somebody help me to control my asus laptop fan? its always running at a high level...
[08:48] <fyrestrtr> bushwakko: yeah, you have to do the same fix that I did....its in the wiki. Basically you have to recompile alsa from latest sources, and then sound will work.
[08:48] <hummer> i think acpi is not working properly
[08:49] <fyrestrtr> !hda
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <fyrestrtr> hrmm, no trigger for it.
[08:49] <bushwakko> fyrestrtr, recompile it manually?
[08:49] <psycose> well i was playing whith my wifi card (rt61) when my main power suply burned (may be 30 minute after the 7.10 install) do you think it could be related ?
[08:49] <bushwakko> fyrestrtr, how does ubuntu like manually installed stuff? or can I use apt to compile it too?
[08:49] <informaticous> franais c'est ou
[08:49] <bazhang> bushwakko: it should work, I have the same card and it's fine with the latest update.
[08:49] <bazhang> !fr
[08:49] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:50] <bushwakko> I have latest update
[08:50] <bushwakko> might have to restart though
[08:50] <informaticous> tenkui
[08:50] <bazhang> log out and back in again
[08:50] <bushwakko> bazhang, after manual recompile or after update?
[08:51] <bazhang> bushwakko: why do you want to compile?
[08:51] <bushwakko> fyrestrtr told me to
[08:51] <hummer> nobody with an asus laptop in here?
[08:51] <bazhang> yes
[08:51] <bushwakko> I just updated my stuff, and I logged in and out
[08:51] <bushwakko> still no sound
[08:51] <bushwakko> no /dev/dsp either
[08:52] <fyrestrtr> bushwakko: seems its a known issue, as there is already a bug and a wiki entry for it.
[08:52] <fyrestrtr> bushwakko: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller
[08:52] <bushwakko> where is this wiki
[08:52] <bushwakko> ok
[08:52] <bazhang> bushwakko: try making sure you are fully up to date, then log out then back in again--I rebooted, but that was because of a kernel update--maybe you are right you need to reboot.
[08:52] <psycose> scrollkeeper-up take 70% of my CPU do you know why ?
[08:53] <hummer> hd audio worked fine for me @bushwakko
[08:53] <bushwakko> I have the .13 kernel
[08:53] <fyrestrtr> its regression (unfortunately)
[08:53] <LiMaO> had to give up gutsy.. i could stand the minor bugs, but having a non working openoffice was too much for me hehe
[08:53] <bazhang> psycose: no idea
[08:53] <malajenho> hi
[08:53] <malajenho>  hi,i've installed GUTSY GIBBON and after actualize my ATI propietary driver and now my screen resolution is  640x480,anyone know where is the problem?
[08:53] <fyrestrtr> LiMaO: I hope you reported your bugs.
[08:53] <bushwakko> ok
[08:53] <bushwakko> will try to restart
[08:53] <bushwakko> brb
[08:53] <hummer> cya
[08:54] <LiMaO> fyrestrtr: all of them were reported already, i just confirmed some
[08:54] <fyrestrtr> malajenho: just edit your xorg.conf and update the resolutions.
[08:54] <psycose> well i was playing whith my wifi card (rt61) when my main power suply burned (may be 30 minute after the 7.10 install) do you think it could be related ?
[08:55] <fyrestrtr> hrmm, brb.
[08:55] <malajenho> yep,but what resolutions had I to insert ?
[08:56] <bushwakko> I'm fully up to date now
[08:56] <bushwakko> and restarted
[08:56] <bushwakko> still no sound
[08:56] <bushwakko> and I need help to get my madwifi installed
[08:57] <hummer> i need help to get control over my acpi options :-(
[09:01] <reya276> bushwakko: but in gutsy the default install comes with compiz embeded so you have to go into the preferences>apperance and select effects or something like that then you can select custom and look at any configurations on there
[09:01] <bazhang> reya276: that's true for gnome, not kde
[09:02] <bazhang> hiya winbond!
[09:02] <reya276> but if you are running an ATI card you might get the Composite Engine not installed or not found then you should visit #Ubuntu-effects.
[09:02] <winbond> bazhang, hi
[09:03] <winbond> winbond, howz it going
[09:03] <reya276> bazhang: as I recall when you download the Ubuntu Gutsy Beta the default install is Gnome not KDE so when someone comes in here asking for help on issues with Gutsy Beta unless they specify they are using KDE I will assume is Gnome
[09:03] <bazhang> winbond: I liked your other nick much better
[09:04] <FatMom> so, when I install gusty desktop, I have no problem. But when I install gutsy server, I have no internet, trying to apt-get update result in failure resolv, but the install did detect my network card AND the dhcp. my hosts and resolv.conf are same as the desktop install, wich works
[09:04] <bazhang> reya276: flawed assumption; plenty of folks like kde..haha ubuntu is compiz-fusion enabled, but kubuntu is not--so if you say gutsy is compiz-fusion enabled, that will create some confusion..
[09:04] <winbond> damnit im lagging out again
[09:06] <winbond> bazhang, i got banned from suse :o) , it ok , cause i wasnt gonna use MS-SUSE ever again anyway
[09:07] <winbond> bazhang, i asked them if their windows update was working,
[09:07] <reya276> bazhang: go visit the Ububtu Gustsy Download site and download the default PC install and you will see that when you install Gusty Beta the default is Gnome Not KDE unless you download Kubuntu, so yes lots of people use KDE it but that is not the default install and on gusty the Compiz effects are embeded but they won't work well if you have an ATI card, so your assumption is flawed buddy
[09:07] <bazhang> winbond: that was the funniest thing I have ever seen...cheers to you sir...hahhahahaa
[09:08] <FatMom> any idea?
[09:09] <bazhang> reya276: this site? http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/7.10/
[09:09] <xid> so I ran "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-kde"
[09:09] <xid> but where is compiz?
[09:09] <xid> how do I enable it now?
[09:10] <reya276> bazhang: Exactly as I said unless you are downloading the Kubuntu Version not Ubuntu Gusty, they are two different things ;-)
[09:10] <bazhang> reya276: as long as we agree to disagree..haha
[09:10] <reya276> so if he would have specified this, would have saved him lot's of wait time on his answers
[09:11] <reya276> I guess
[09:11] <lerolero> shazam
[09:11] <FatMom> anyone?
[09:12] <mzuverink> Is there a gnome equiv to KCron?
[09:13] <hummer> how can i turn off my bluetooth device?
[09:13] <savvas> FatMom: try: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:14] <reya276> bazhang: what they should do is have a room called #Kubuntu+1 for specific KDE issues this way there is no confusion, cause when I see Ubuntu+1 I only thing Gnome
[09:14] <FatMom> savvas: I will try, need to reboot
[09:14] <vasuvi> I don't have a Launchpad account and found (and easily fixed) a bug in the update-notifier package if anyone with a Launchpad account wants to submit a bug report: Line 7 of /usr/share/gconf/schemas/update-notifier.schemas (in package update-notifier) is <default>false/default> ; it needs to be <default>false</default>
[09:15] <bazhang> reya276: I think irc channels cost too much..hahha
[09:15] <reya276> bazhang: Pretty sure everyone else does too specially when they don't know the difference, cause there are lots of newbies switching, nah dude I'm being serious.
[09:16] <bazhang> reya276: you really want to take this to offtopic? cos you win..hahaha
[09:18] <reya276> bazhang: because like for example when you mentioned this to me my first though was why would they be in a Ubuntu room, oh no dude not need for you to take it like that, this is not about winning or loosing simply trying to figure out a way that will better help does who are using specific desktops that's all
[09:18] <Lynoure> reya276: there is not very many kubuntu users heree, but there are some...
[09:18] <Lynoure> s/heree/here
[09:19] <FatMom> savvas: I had errors, eth0 no such device, what the hell
[09:19] <savvas> FatMom: I guess it didn't work :)
[09:19] <savvas> heh
[09:19] <mzuverink> vasuvi, thats what mine says, maybe that update that just appeared was that fix, if so, good looking out if it was cause of you!
[09:19] <savvas> no other devices, FatMom ?
[09:20] <FatMom> but why with the desktop it works fine?
[09:20] <FatMom> both are 7.10 btw
[09:20] <reya276> Lynoure: right, which is why I was explaining to bazhang as to why I was confused about someone asking for an Icon for compiz fusion when in Gnome the there is an effects tab in apperance. so it was my fault for assuming, but you got to admit, #Ubuntu+1 is confusing
[09:20] <FatMom> savvas: no
[09:20] <savvas> FatMom: well.. you could try and install ubuntu-desktop on the server and see if that fixes it, maybe it's a package installed along with the desktop and not with server
[09:21] <savvas> FatMom: you're using a router right?
[09:21] <FatMom> I only have 1 network card, wich was detected during the install, as well as dhcp
[09:21] <savvas> wired or wireless?
[09:21] <FatMom> wired
[09:21] <vasuvi> mzuverink: Have you updated in the last hour or so?  I didn't have that error *until* I updated.  (Though it's possible that it could be the mirror I'm using, though that would be odd; ftp.acc.umu.se )
[09:21] <FatMom> destkop is already installed...
[09:21] <savvas> well.. it should work
[09:21] <FatMom> I'm on it right now
[09:22] <savvas> I'm out of ideas ma'am :)
[09:22] <mzuverink> vasuvi, I just now updated it seconds before your post
[09:22] <xid> is there a decent wiki somewhere that will show me how to get compiz on KDE with an nvidia card on gutsy?
[09:22] <FatMom> :(
[09:22] <FatMom> thats realy wierd
[09:22] <xid> I tried running this "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-kde"
[09:22] <xid> but I don't see any graphical enhancements or new control panels for compiz
[09:23] <FatMom> theres tons of tuto about that xid
[09:23] <vasuvi> mzuverink: Well, then either it was fixed fast, it is a server problem, or my Ubuntu installation is just weird ;)
[09:23] <ppj> hey guys im kind of confused on something. i have an icon for GL Desktop, is that a part of compiz fusion?
[09:24] <ppj> i dont remember ever seeing it
[09:24] <reya276> xid: Got me, any KDE users want to take this one? and I'm off. LOL
[09:24] <ppj> i still have the advanced desktop setting icon
[09:24] <Lynoure> xid: sorry, I use kubuntu, but none of the wobbly stuff
[09:25] <mzuverink> vasuvi, my bad, it is actually the way you stated it, I just read wrong, it is / instead of </
[09:25] <jager> wobblies are fun!
[09:26] <clusty> hey
[09:26] <clusty> new updates to update-notifier are giving some error
[09:26] <clusty> is it a bug?
[09:26] <mzuverink> vasuvi, I fixed mine now and will report the bug for you
[09:28] <megaqwerty> I just did a clean install of Gutsy, and I had backed up my ".mozilla-thunderbird" folder. (I had been using the latest thunderbird built from source at the time.) I figured all would go smoothly when I transitioned, so I was surprised to see that when I put .mozilla-thunderbird back in its place, my mail didn't appear. I noticed that thunderbird was reading my mail from a different folder, so I redirected it to the correct one. It seems to
[09:29] <kfoltman> hi
[09:30] <kfoltman> do you know anything about a bug that causes the 2.6.22 kernels not to boot on some machines (= my machine and I hope nothing else)
[09:31] <lerolero> google ?
[09:31] <Ximal> someone help... lol... i've been waiting 12 hours for setup to finish importing documents..
[09:31] <Ximal> lol
[09:31] <Ximal> the installation is at 88%
[09:33] <atlef> i share my thunderbird folder with vista from a ntfs disk :-)
[09:33] <fyrestrtr> Ximal_: importing documents?
[09:34] <megaqwerty> atlef: that's nice...but somehow doesn't help me...
[09:34] <atlef> i just wanted to say
[09:34] <usser> megaqwerty: i had something similar
[09:34] <atlef> have yoy tried thunderbird -profilemanager and make a new user
[09:35] <fyrestrtr> megaqwerty: this is not a gutsy problem, but a thunderbird issue.
[09:35] <usser> megaqwerty: rename .mozilla-thunderbird and let thunderbird create its own
[09:35] <fyrestrtr> megaqwerty: as the same happens on Windows as well.
[09:35] <andre> Hi guys
[09:35] <MTecknology> has this issue been reported, or is it on my side? http://paste.lisp.org/display/48850
[09:35] <megaqwerty> usser: and then transfer the files?
[09:36] <usser> megaqwerty: then copy the contents of your backed up .mozilla-thunderbird/<some number>.default
[09:36] <riotkittie> mmm. profile issues. that reminds me, i should back mine up to be on the safe side
[09:36] <megaqwerty> usser: alright, thanks, I'll try it
[09:36] <usser> megaqwerty: to the thunderbird created one
[09:37] <MTecknology> anybody have any info on that error?
[09:37] <kfoltman> lerolero: tried, but came up with nothing... a custom compled 2.6.22 works, but I changed so many things comparing to the original config that it might be hard to isolate the cause
[09:37] <andre> I just upgraded to Gutsy, I was used the NV restricted driver on Feisty, after the upgrade, I couldn't get dual monitors to work...
[09:37] <Nukeador> hi there
[09:38] <MTecknology> if it's a quick fix, i'll do it - if it's a bug, i'll report it, if it's been reported - what's the link?
[09:38] <Nukeador> Why Gusty enable XGL server by default for my ATI 9600 where the free drivers used to work perfect with AIXGL?
[09:38] <andre> My monitors aren't being automatically recognised (they are in the list though)
[09:39] <andre> My manually setting my display settings, only one monitor is recognised.
[09:39] <andre> any ideas?
[09:39] <WorkingOnWise> anyone care to compare and contrast google desktop with other linux search/index systems?
[09:41] <mzuverink> When changing the login screen you are supposed to be able to also choose a color, despite changing mine from the default brown to a more decent color, it stays brown.  Where are the config settings for that so I may just make the change by hand?
[09:42] <crimsun> mzuverink: even after `sudo /etc/init.d/gdm reload` and logging out & back in?
[09:43] <bushwakko> ok, now my wifi is working
[09:43] <megaqwerty> usser: you're a lifesaver. That worked!
[09:43] <mzuverink> crimsun, yes
[09:43] <megaqwerty> usser: wait...no, it didn't :(
[09:43] <usser> megaqwerty: heh
[09:43] <megaqwerty> usser: I think I'll try sending over one folder at a time
[09:44] <usser> megaqwerty: does it say reading email from disk or whatever
[09:44] <OpenSorce> ick.....looks like I'll be trying out openSuse 10.3 for my next article :-(
[09:44] <usser> megaqwerty: nah it was something different i cant remember
[09:44] <Nukeador> Is it posible to unable xgl in gusty? the free ati driver works perfect with aixgl forr my card....
[09:44] <mzuverink> crimsun, the color I chose even stays the same after the login/logout stuff, but the color really stays brown
[09:44] <megaqwerty> usser: Oh, it shows all my emails senders, subject, etc. but when trying to open it, it segfaults
[09:44] <gavintlgold> hmm.. i seem to be stuck without x... all i did was update
[09:44] <usser> megaqwerty: u copying this folder from another linux install right?
[09:44] <megaqwerty> usser: yeah, Feisty
[09:44] <gavintlgold> using tirc right now
[09:44] <usser> megaqwerty: was your user name the same?
[09:45] <usser> megaqwerty: on feisty
[09:45] <megaqwerty> usser: yep
[09:45] <usser> megaqwerty: hm
[09:45] <gavintlgold> :/
[09:45] <usser> megaqwerty: still do chown -R <yourusername>:<yourusername> .mozilla-thunderbird
[09:45] <usser> megaqwerty: your backed up one
[09:46] <megaqwerty> usser: I think so...hold on
[09:46] <mzuverink> crimsun, Ill try it again, brb
[09:46] <megaqwerty> usser: I'll do it again, but I think so
[09:47] <gavintlgold> I installed updates, and it asked me if I wanted it to change the configuration file, but that seems to have broken x
[09:47] <gavintlgold> it doesn't identify my nvidia card
[09:47] <andre> GAvintlgold: ditto
[09:47] <gavintlgold> andre: so is this a known problem with the nvidia modules?
[09:48] <andre> I don't know
[09:48] <gavintlgold> :(
[09:48] <andre> I'm also trying to get my problem solved
[09:48] <bit0> hi
[09:48] <gavintlgold> good to know i'm not alone :P
[09:49] <gavintlgold> andre: but all you did was update, and you have nvidia?
[09:49] <andre> Damn,  I busted a guitar string!
[09:49] <megaqwerty> usser: this might take a min, I'm transferring over a gig again.
[09:49] <scizzo-> what do you mean it broke X?
[09:50] <usser> megaqwerty: wow
[09:50] <gavintlgold> scizzo-: x doesn't work anymore
[09:50] <bit0> where is Gutsy stopper bugs?
[09:50] <gavintlgold> i get the failsafe x
[09:50] <scizzo-> gavintlgold: yes well, have you looked in logs and so on about why?
[09:51] <andre> gavintlgold: yeah, upgraded to beta from feisty, now Nvidia support is poor... :(
[09:51] <gavintlgold> scizzo-: could you direct me to logs and such?
[09:51] <gavintlgold> i know how to use text editors, just not where the logs might be
[09:51] <scizzo-> gavintlgold: /var/log/
[09:51] <gavintlgold> all right
[09:51] <scizzo-> gavintlgold: there is a logfile there called Xorg.0.log
[09:51] <usser> megaqwerty: u can also try copying just Mail folder
[09:52] <andre> scizzo-: I get a launch in low graphics mode everytime I try to log in :(
[09:52] <scizzo-> andre: a what?
[09:52] <LiMaO> has anyone here ever used PING for system backup?
[09:52] <Ximal__> hi >?
[09:53] <megaqwerty> usser: that's alright, I'm trying to figure out why thunderbird thinks it's still open...
[09:53] <Ximal> hi ?
[09:53] <usser> Ximal: hello?
[09:53] <usser> :)
[09:53] <megaqwerty> usser: there doesn't seem to be a file called "lock" in the .mozilla-thunderbird dir...
[09:54] <mzuverink> crimsun, seems the background changes, but after you login, before the desktop loads up and the wallpaper is shown, all you see is brown
[09:54] <andre> scizzo-: when launching X, it won't recognize my graphics card
[09:54] <bazhang> Ximal: what's your question?
[09:54] <Ximal> thank goodness... the lag is temporarily gone
[09:54] <megaqwerty> usser: I'll reboot be back in a few minutes.
[09:54] <usser> megaqwerty: ok
[09:54] <scizzo-> andre: well I had to reconfigure X to get it going correct after updat
[09:54] <crimsun> mzuverink: hmm, I don't recall offhand whether that's gdm or gnome-session
[09:55] <Ximal> ok.. baz .. my laptop's install keeps hanging at around 88% on importing documents and settings..
[09:55] <andre> k sec
[09:55] <Ximal> I can't get it to finish installing... i'm doing oem right now to see if it works ... the regular install was hung for over 12 hours from before when i went to sleep last night
[09:56] <andre> be right back :)
[09:56] <mzuverink> crimsun, normally from my experience the gdm background color is what you see until the session is full loaded and the wallpaper/background color chose in gnome session is going, I may be wrong, but either way, its brown from login to wallpaper
[09:56] <vasuvi> mzuvernink: sorry, was afk there for a while; thanks for reporting the bug for me :)
[09:56] <bazhang> Ximal: I had this same issue--turns out the media I wrote the ISO to was faulty--burned a new installer ISO disk (gutsy..shhh..) and it was fixed.
[09:57] <mzuverink> vasuvi, best to report if in doubt
[09:57] <bazhang> oh wait this #ubuntu+1
[09:57] <Ximal> i've burned intel and amd64 bit which my processor on laptop is 64 bit..
[09:57] <Ximal> and it's not working... period
[09:57] <Ximal> i burned it as slow as 3x
[09:57] <megaqwerty> usser: do you have any idea where thunderbird's lock file is? Rebooting didn't fix it
[09:58] <bazhang> Ximal: it's likely that it's not the burn speed but the quality of the media..
[09:58] <usser> megaqwerty: its there in that dir
[09:58] <usser> .mozilla-thunderbird/nonsense.default
[09:58] <uga> Seeker`: if nobody cares about your problems, dont' care about them either. Just don't report bugs, remove all stupid .debs and install nvidia run installer
[09:58] <uga> remove all lrm packages and have fun
[09:58] <nosrednaekim> Ximal: that MAY be a problem with the migration assistant
[09:59] <megaqwerty> usser: do you know the name of the file?
[09:59] <usser> megaqwerty: .lock
[09:59] <uga> Daviey: you sure rock as support, man
[09:59] <Ximal> yeah.. i don't care if it copies settings from my windows partition aye ? i just don't understand what it's hanging on since there's no option for terminal view..
[10:00] <Ximal> or any option for status view
[10:00] <vasuvi> I wonder if the #ubuntu+1 channel will get a lot more quiet after Gutsy is released; it would take a brave soul (or is that a Hardy soul ;) ) to test Hardy the moment it starts development
[10:00] <bazhang> 11/29!
[10:01] <Ximal> going to try oem install
[10:01] <Ximal> see yall soon..
[10:01] <uga> Seeker`: what's the actual problem
[10:01] <megaqwerty> sorry 'bout that
[10:01] <usser> megaqwerty: its actually just lock
[10:01] <neildarlow> hi, has anyone got ntpd working successfully? ntpq indicates there are no association IDs for me
[10:01] <bushwakko> ok, now both wifi and sound works
[10:02] <usser> megaqwerty: are u sure thunderbird is not running
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> bushwakko: speet
[10:02] <megaqwerty> usser: yeah, I just rebooted
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> *sweet
[10:02] <bushwakko> only compiz and touchpad left then
[10:02] <megaqwerty> usser: usser: find .mozilla-thunderbird/ | grep lock turns up nothing, as do visual inspections
[10:02] <bushwakko> and I
[10:02] <bushwakko> and I'm peachy
[10:02] <megaqwerty> whoops...
[10:02] <usser> megaqwerty: and whats the exact error it gives?
[10:03] <megaqwerty> "Thunderbird is already running but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Thunderbird process, or restart your system."
[10:03] <uga> killall -9 thunderbird?
[10:04] <megaqwerty> uga: it's not running
[10:04] <uga> heh
[10:04] <megaqwerty> !ps aux | grep thunder
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ps aux - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <megaqwerty> whoops..haven't enabled that plugin yet
[10:04] <neildarlow> megaqwerty: i've opened a bug report to the effect that thunderbird-2 is very unstable. it locks-up for me and doesn't even display unread message counts for IMAP. i wish they'd withdraw it in favour of 1.5.x
[10:04] <hsystem-x> megaqwerty, use ps -ef|grep USERNAME-HERE
[10:05] <hsystem-x> then look at the process it will show and search for thunder.
[10:05] <hsystem-x> then kill -9 PID
[10:05] <hsystem-x> PID = id number.
[10:05] <uga> oh btw, am I the only one seeing that usually firefox doesnt' start on first run?
[10:05] <megaqwerty> hsystem-x: it's not running
[10:05] <uga> it usually takes two executions to start up
[10:05] <Daviey> uga: thanx
[10:06] <wabiD> i fixed the click to see panels bug
[10:06] <megaqwerty> man I'm confused...
[10:06] <uga> Daviey: be sure I'll respond in the same or worse way when you have any trouble
[10:06] <andre> gavintlgold: is your prob fixed?
[10:06] <wabiD> possibly
[10:06] <uga> Daviey: which, I really hope, you'll run into one, very soon
[10:06] <Daviey> oh goody
[10:06] <SVisor> wabiD: How?
[10:06] <wabiD> enable widget layers in compiz
[10:06] <neildarlow> uga: i did see that once. i can't recollect how long ago it was though
[10:06] <megaqwerty> I'll just delete .mozilla-thunderbird
[10:07] <usser> megaqwerty: yea,
[10:07] <uga> I always see that first time I open a kde session and try to run it through the minicli
[10:07] <usser> megaqwerty: just wanted to suggest that )
[10:07] <usser> megaqwerty: try just copying Mail folder
[10:07] <neildarlow> uga: i think it was the very early 2.0.0.x versions. about <IP_ADDRESS> fixed it iirc
[10:07] <megaqwerty> indeed I shall
[10:07] <uga> or after a while has gone of any firefox use
[10:08] <usser> megaqwerty: u'll have to create accounts again but at least your mail will be there
[10:08] <megaqwerty> usser: indeed
[10:08] <uga> neildarlow: <IP_ADDRESS> here
[10:08] <andre> gavintlgold: ?
[10:08] <uga> neildarlow: I wonder if it's some older firefox config files around left
[10:08] <scizzo-> andre: did a new config work ok?
[10:08] <andre> scizzo-: I couldn't find your name :( hehe
[10:09] <andre> scizzo-: yes that was my exact problem!!!
[10:09] <neildarlow> uga: possibly. i've done a clean install recently
[10:09] <andre> scizzo-: finally the opensource driver support for dual monitors!!!!
[10:09] <scizzo-> andre: hehe
[10:09] <andre> scizzo-:  Just like feisty kicked ass, I believe so will Gutsy,  VERY NICE
[10:10] <mzuverink> crimsun, did you have a chance to see if it was a gdm or gnome -session issue?  Ill hand config if i know where to go?
[10:10] <mzuverink> crimsun, no pressure:-)
[10:10] <neildarlow> andre: it's already kicked mine once already. it hosed /home/ and /var :)
[10:10] <riffic> hello I am having problems with a bluetooth adapter and bluetooth mouse.. it'll work until the computer is inactive for some amount of time, then it stops working
[10:10] <riffic> and sometimes restarting gdm gets it to work again and sometimes it doesn't
[10:11] <riffic> and a reboot is needed
[10:12] <riffic> I really don't know much about the bluetooth subsystem so I have no idea where to even start when it comes to troubleshooting this
[10:12] <megaqwerty> usser: yep, that did it....I'm serious this time.
[10:12] <megaqwerty> usser: thanks
[10:12] <scizzo-> andre: well I am using nvidia drivers with dual monitors
[10:13] <usser> megaqwerty: alright, np it although im sorry it got so ugly
[10:13] <andre> scizzo-: the proprietaries?
[10:13] <uga> riffic: weird, do you have anything like autosuspending on?
[10:13] <riffic> its a default beta install, i have no idea
[10:13] <megaqwerty> usser: eh, it matters not. Now...to set up all my other accounts ;)
[10:13] <amitReg> Hi ... How do I know which glibc library has been installed in the system ??
[10:13] <amitReg> anyone who can help me.
[10:13] <riffic> clean beta install
[10:13] <uga> riffic: it sounds like an acpi effect, that's why
[10:14] <riffic> yeah probably something wierd like that
[10:14] <riffic> would that be logged?
[10:14] <scizzo-> andre: ?
[10:14] <uga> riffic: possibly under /var/log/acpid
[10:15] <uga> not too sure though. I rarely use acpi at all, being on a desktop, myself
[10:16] <riffic> yeah this is a desktop as well
[10:16] <riffic> i just use the bluetooth mouse with usb adapter because it is wireless
[10:16] <riffic> and more fun
[10:16] <riffic> =)
[10:16] <riffic> my wired mouse doesn't like me stupid microsoft piece of junk
[10:16] <andre> scizzo-: the proprietary nvidia drivers, or the Ubuntu supported drivers?
[10:17] <scizzo-> andre: yes
[10:17] <spr0k3t> bazhang: any update on the sound?
[10:17] <andre> scizzo-: cool,  I'm kicking those to the curb now that I don't need them
[10:18] <andre> scizzo-: like a bad habit
[10:18] <uga> andre: both are proprietary, if he means nvidia drivers (vs nv drivers)
[10:18] <riffic> anyways i'd like to help whoever is working on bluetooth to maybe get this thing to be less buggy
[10:18] <bazhang> spr0k3t: yes. it's fixed, at least for the intel hda chip.
[10:18] <riffic> if that means sending logs along i'm willing to help
[10:18] <riffic> i just don't know what to do though
[10:18] <spr0k3t> bazhang: damn
[10:18] <andre> uga: ubuntu supports the nv opensource drivers
[10:19] <spr0k3t> bazhang: I haven't seen a fix for mine yet.
[10:19] <uga> andre: okay, I thought you meant nvidia packages provided in lrm
[10:19] <bazhang> spr0k3t: sorry...
[10:19] <uga> andre: those aren't of much use anyway. I'd rather buy a cheap gfx card instead
[10:19] <andre> uga:  what are you talking about
[10:19] <uga> nv drivers
[10:20] <andre> uga: do you know what nv drivers are?
[10:20] <uga> sure I do
[10:20] <chrono13> External hard drive not mounting. And it is not the gparted bug either. It is not showing in fstab. Any way I can get this mounted, and if not, is there a bug# I might be able to contribute to?
[10:20] <uga> non accelerated opensource drivers
[10:20] <uga> which are of not much use unless you love wasting your gfx card power
[10:20] <andre> uga: they are non-accelerated?
[10:20] <uga> they aren't
[10:20] <uga> nv driver is only 2d accelerated if so
[10:21] <andre> uga... well damn
[10:21] <andre> uga:  don't tell me I have to switch back.... sec I'm gonna run a 3d app.
[10:21] <uga> heh, you'll have to, if you want 3d =)
[10:21] <uga> try glxgears
[10:21] <chrono13> Mounts flash drives fine, just not usb hdd.
[10:22] <bazhang> bye all
[10:22] <chrono13> bye baz
[10:23] <andre> uga:  runs fin
[10:23] <andre> runs fine
[10:23] <andre> 5000 fps
[10:23] <andre> :D I'm on a 7800 GTX though
[10:23] <andre> I'm gonn stick with the NV drivers ;)
[10:23] <andre> plus urban terror ran the very best
[10:24] <chrono13> Chromium is my favorite 3d test. If it plays, I've got 3d, and I get to waste the next 10 minutes "testing" my acceleration.
[10:24] <bascule> hardest gane ever?
[10:24] <Ximal> I found the fix for the hang with the install
[10:24] <Ximal> I think I have..
[10:24] <Ximal> lol
[10:24] <chrono13> It's pretty freakin hard
[10:24] <andre> chrono13: what's chromium?
[10:25] <chrono13> 2 1/2 D space-shooter
[10:25] <bascule> andre: a really hard vertical scroll shooter
[10:25] <chrono13> If an enemy gets by you, you lose a life. Pretty hard core.
[10:25] <chrono13> lol
[10:25] <andre> ah cool :)
[10:26] <andre> chrono13: haha
[10:27] <chrono13> That game will make you feel inadequate. Had to fire up some emulation to make sure I really hadn't lost that much skill.
[10:28] <andre> thanks,  Gutsy is gonna be a great release :)
[10:28] <andre> chears
[10:28] <bascule> chrono13: even the "Fish in a Barrel" skill level is tough to me :)
[10:29] <chrono13> Anyway, I'll probably just do a reinstall to see if that clears my external HDD mounting issue. Thankfully home is on it's own partition : )
[10:30] <chrono13> later
[10:35] <osmosis> anyone know why  the package   vim-full   wants to install a bunch of gnome stuff ?
[10:36] <bstock> because vim full comes with a gui
[10:36] <WorkingOnWise> ok, this may really suck. I'm on Gutsy AMD64 and I just tried to install the deb for google desktop. It of course is for x86. Is there a clean-ish way to run this and other x86 pkgs?
[10:36] <bascule> osmosis: gvim i guess
[10:36] <bstock> which apparently uses gnome stuff
[10:37] <osmosis> vim-python   has a similair issue.
[10:41] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: what's google desktop?
[10:42] <LiMaO> nevermind, i googled for it and found out
[10:42] <LiMaO> anyway, gutsy comes with a desktop search, why would you need an external one?
[10:43] <bstock> is it run by beagle?
[10:43] <bstock> cuz last time i tried beagle, mono hosed one of my processors
[10:44] <nzero> hey guys
[10:44] <nzero> hey seveas
[10:45] <MeisterHora> hi nzero :)
[10:45] <nzero> i just updated and got this
[10:46] <nzero> major errors
[10:46] <bstock> a little detail might help..
[10:48] <nzero> not sure just said not all packages were installed
[10:49] <nzero> i just got notified of the update, wondered if anybody else did too
[10:51] <LjL> what update?
[10:53] <nzero> one second
[10:53] <nzero> weird
[10:54] <nzero> not i can't find  any thing on the error
[10:54] <nzero> wierd, never had that happen before
[10:55] <clusty> !pastebin
[10:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:55] <OpenSorce> on the alternate install cd, does it let you select a drive to install on in OEM Install?
[10:55] <clusty> hey
[10:56] <clusty> after one updat i get this error message: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39999/
[10:56] <OpenSorce> anybody ever used the OEM Install option?
[10:59] <mon^rch> mon^rch
[10:59] <mon^rch> :/
[11:00] <OpenSorce> anybody ever used the OEM Install option? Anybody??
[11:00] <mon^rch> trying to get lines with my nick in them to be highlighted.... somebody say my nick :/
[11:01] <OpenSorce> mon^rch, there
[11:01] <mon^rch> :)
[11:01] <mon^rch> ty
[11:01] <mon^rch> but it don't work :(
[11:01] <WorkingOnWise> sorry to post and poof... LiMaO yeah gutsy has a built in search, but is is limited compared to Google Desktop. bstock Last time I tried beagle I also had problems.
[11:02] <OpenSorce> anybody ever used the OEM Install option? even once?? Anyone? I just need a ver simple question answered....
[11:02] <usser> OpenSorce: is there a reason to use it
[11:02] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: i just wish sketchup would work with wine, or better yet have a native version... that's the only thing i'm expecting from google atm
[11:02] <OpenSorce> usser, yes....have you used it?
[11:03] <usser> OpenSorce: well yes i did one time
[11:03] <WorkingOnWise> LiMaO: I am going to virtualize Windows for a while, till the few windows apps I live off of make it to Linux, like sketchup
[11:03] <OpenSorce> usser, great did it let you pick which drive to install on?
[11:04] <LiMaO> i'm using virtualbox too =/ and that's a pity..
[11:04] <clusty> any1?
[11:04] <usser> OpenSorce: it did when it asks about partitioning
[11:04] <LiMaO> been almost 4 years without windows.. and now i have to use that thing again
[11:04] <OpenSorce> usser, thanks so much :-)
[11:04] <usser> OpenSorce: hang on im gonna make sure
[11:05] <OpenSorce> usser....ahhhh!!! I'm using it now!!
[11:06] <usser> OpenSorce: its just gonna take a minute
[11:06] <usser> OpenSorce: im running it in vmware right now
[11:06] <Creationist> What Firefox plugin is used in KDE to view embedded videos?    I always have too, just never liked it.
[11:09] <LiMaO> savvas: hey, do you remember me?! got rid of gutsy hehe i'm back to feisty
[11:09] <savvas> LiMaO: congrats :)
[11:09] <usser> savvas: flash is probably never gonna be ported just because its written in unportable way
[11:09] <LiMaO> savvas: couldn't get java to work at all, openoffice wouldn't work either, freezing all the time
[11:09] <LiMaO> so went back =P
[11:10] <savvas> I just hope iced-tea and gnash get to reach a level where they can actually play files
[11:10] <OpenSorce> usser, I just read that the text mode install is a smaller install than oem.....I'm having some wifi issues and thought this might help....thanks
[11:10] <threethirty> hello all
[11:12] <kfoltman> savvas: maybe microsoft entering the area will force adobe to use the portability to their advantage
[11:12] <savvas> LiMaO: openoffice writer works here
[11:12] <threethirty> ! iced-tea
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iced-tea - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <savvas> threethirty: it's an open java, based on openjdk
[11:12] <threethirty> savvas: what is iced-tea?
[11:12] <LiMaO> savvas: it wouldn't work in here. actually it opens, writes, but when trying to format a page, access the options and preferences, it would freeze...
[11:13] <savvas> (i love fore-answering ;) )
[11:13] <LiMaO> savvas: i read about other people having the same problem (openoffice not being able to do 'anything at all' without freezing).. so i decided to give up
[11:13] <savvas> threethirty: fedora has added it in version 8 test 2 i think
[11:14] <savvas> ubuntu will too when java and openjdk solve their differences :p
[11:14] <savvas> LiMaO: anything?
[11:14] <threethirty> savvas: cool, is there a distro that has gnash working, or is it crap for everyone
[11:14] <LiMaO> savvas: that's what other people are saying in ubuntuforums.. that openoffice isn't able to do anything without freezing
[11:14] <savvas> threethirty: I believe it's the second :P
[11:14] <LiMaO> i myself could open it and write =P
[11:15] <kfoltman> duplicating this sort of functionality is obviously a lot of work
[11:15] <h4wk0> Gusty doesnt seem to have problems with ATI <3
[11:15] <savvas> LiMaO: if you'd see the process monitor, you'd find soffice and oostart apps, you kill them and reopen writer or calc
[11:15] <savvas> writer and calc are the only ones working here so far
[11:16] <savvas> kfoltman: doubt it, unless microsoft buys off adobe :p
[11:16] <LiMaO> oh, i'll wait 10 + 10 more days.. i was tired of killing stuff's processes, specially nautilus'... 10 more days to launch, 10 more to get feedback from people
[11:16] <h4wk0> Been at work 12 hours and i come home to another 39 updates
[11:17] <kfoltman> is there any Thunderbird extension that handles List-Id etc. semi-automatically?
[11:17] <koudelka_> hello, if i download and install the beta now, will i have to reinstall when it's actually released? or will i get the same functionality by just installing the updates for the beta?
[11:18] <savvas> koudelka_: the latter
[11:18] <koudelka_> ok, thx =)
[11:18] <dennda> Hey there
[11:18] <maihem> Hi all
[11:19] <koudelka_> what would be recomended, install 7.04 now and do update when 7.10 is released or install the beta now and install the updates for it?
[11:19] <dennda> Any idea why gutsy won't return from standby anymore? (It did just a couple of days ago. I had it in Suspend for several days and it always worked. Then without any warning it fails.)
[11:19] <dennda> koudelka_: depends on your situation
[11:19] <threethirty> koudelka_, is this your main machine youre talking about
[11:19] <koudelka_> i was thinking that a upgrade from 7.04 could case more problem if you have installed 3rd party stuff
[11:20] <mon^rch> koudelka_: the beta is behaving rock solid for me atm...
[11:20] <koudelka_> that was what i thought as it's just 10 days left :P
[11:20] <mon^rch> :?
[11:20] <maihem> I'm testing 7.10 beta and am having a problem getting evolution 2.12 to pick up my settings from feisty. I upgraded by new installation on a new partition then moving my files from my old partition's home directory. It may be that I ran evolution before moving the old .gnome2 and .evolution directories or before setting the ownership to my new uid.
[11:22] <LiMaO> mon^rch: does openoffice write works for you?
[11:22] <LiMaO> mon^rch: have you never had your taskbar or some other panel just disappear?
[11:23] <LiMaO> mon^rch: neither have you ever had to kill nautilus process, as it was frozen?
[11:23] <LiMaO> writer*
[11:23] <Creationist> Anyone else have a problem with Ktorrent downloads all being "Stalled"?
[11:24] <mon^rch> LiMaO: write works perfectly, panels HAVE disappeared but clicking on my desktop brought it back instantly and I have never had to kill anything... I'm even running 3rd party stuff no probs
[11:24] <LiMaO> i wish my gutsy install would have been that good =)
[11:25] <LiMaO> i could stand anything... but not a non working writer
[11:25] <sinX_> creationist: how long is it stalling?
[11:25] <LiMaO> because my wife uses it.. and if it wasn't working, she would probably toss the computer out of the window
[11:25] <mon^rch> haa
[11:26] <mon^rch> prolly not a bad idea :P
[11:26] <mon^rch> stupid puters
[11:26] <sinX_> if you have allocation enabled it will stall for a few mins
[11:27] <sinX_> the new "fully preallocate" feature takes a min than usual
[11:27] <LiMaO> the bad thing is that you never had an irc channel for people to say 'hey, my typewriter is not working'
[11:27] <Creationist> sinX_: Indefinitely.... that torrent status never changes from "Announcing"
[11:27] <LiMaO> but with all these new technologies we have a lot of new problems hehe
[11:28] <Creationist> sinX_: It worked when I used it yesterday, though... but now even trying to download the same torrent fails.
[11:28] <sinX_> do you have incoming connections?
[11:28] <Creationist> sinX_: Nope.
[11:29] <sinX_> do you have a router?
[11:29] <Creationist> Hmm... must be a connection thing... Konqueror won't load any pages now either.... looks like another restart is in order lol
[11:29] <Creationist> sinX_: No, no router.
[11:29] <nzero> how do i undo faulty updates
[11:29] <sinX_> ya, definitely connection
[11:31] <nzero> hey seveas how do i undo faulty updates
[11:31] <noelferreira> hi. which version of NetworkManager comes with ubuntu 7.10?
[11:31] <Seveas> nzero, with a hammer
[11:31] <Seveas> !info network-manager
[11:32] <nzero> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[11:32] <ubotu> network-manager: network management framework daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.5-0ubuntu15 (gutsy), package size 265 kB, installed size 664 kB
[11:32] <nzero> seriously
[11:32] <noelferreira> thanks
[11:32] <Seveas> nzero, sometimes sulfuric acid helps
[11:32] <noelferreira> 8 days left isn't it?
[11:32] <Creationist> sinX_: Yet firefox works fine.... so yeah, I never liked Konqueror for a reason ;)
[11:32] <nzero> i got an update from the distro upgrade and now its all screwed
[11:33] <nzero> not all the updates installed
[11:33] <nzero> now gnome daemon won't load
[11:33] <Seveas> nzero, pastebin errors
[11:33] <nzero> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[11:33] <nzero> ?
[11:33] <nzero> where is that, syslog?
[11:35] <dennda> anyone else experiencing problems with gutsys standby / suspend to ram since two days or so?
[11:35] <nzero> i can't log out or switch users
[11:35] <sinX_> In network tools are you receiving packets in the tens of thousands?
[11:35] <dennda> (or any idea how to fix it?)
[11:44] <xid> which button is the super button?
[11:44] <nzero> where do i find the logs of updates
[11:44] <nzero> windows button
[11:45] <mc44> nzero: /var/log/apt
[11:45] <xid> hmm I follow this guide
[11:45] <xid> http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-Compiz-Fusion-on-Ubuntu-58113.shtml
[11:45] <xid> but it doesn't work
[11:45] <nzero> xid
[11:45] <nzero> are you running guts
[11:45] <nzero> gutsy
[11:45] <xid> yes
[11:45] <Some_Person> How stable is Gutsy?
[11:46] <nzero> then gutsy is already installed
[11:46] <nzero> i mean compiz fusion
[11:46] <mc44> xid: compiz comes with gutsy, That guide is for older versions
[11:46] <xid> I have the compizconfig settings manager, but none of the stuff works
[11:46] <xid> maybe I screwed it up by following that guide
[11:46] <mc44> I expect so
[11:46] <Some_Person> Please answer me.
[11:46] <nzero> yep
[11:47] <mc44> Some_Person: what answer are you expecting?
[11:47] <mc44> Some_Person: it's reasoably stable but still beta
[11:47] <kling0n> Some_Person: i'd suggest if you feel the need to ask, you'd better wait for the release
[11:48] <Some_Person> What will be new in Gutsy?
[11:48] <bascule> why is the intel 3945 wireless driver restricted? modinfo reports the licence as GPL. Is there firmware?
[11:49] <mc44> !beta | Some_Person
[11:49] <ubotu> Some_Person: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[11:49] <xid> hmmm I guess I'll reinstall gutsy
[11:49] <nzero> i'm about to
[11:49] <nzero> damn update screwed up gnome
[11:49] <mc44> nzero: in what way?
[11:50] <nzero> it updated like 34 things but all i know is some updates couldn
[11:50] <mc44> nzero: tried restarting gnome?
[11:50] <nzero> t couldn't install, now gnome daemon is have major issues and keeps crashing
[11:50] <kling0n> nzero: try running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after finishing the update-manager run
[11:50] <thompa> anybody know whydata dvds mount, but others i get the title and could not read from resource
[11:50] <nzero> yep
[11:50] <gnomefreak> nzero: i havent seen a gnome update today at all running update now to check
[11:51] <nzero> should be there
[11:51] <Ximal> hey guys... I'm just curious.. i got ubuntu on my laptop finally ... how do I get the restricted drivers for my ati card etc to work..
[11:51] <nzero> it updated compiz fusion, gedit, a bunch of stuff
[11:51] <nzero> i know it was editing the window decor libs
[11:51] <nzero> Ximal
[11:51] <bascule> must have been a while since you updated
[11:52] <nzero> go to restricted and enable drivers
[11:52] <WorkingOnWise> Ximal: first you need an internet connection..is that working yet?
[11:52] <nzero> then go to synaptic and install XGL
[11:52] <Ximal> im here arent i ?
[11:53] <nzero> lol
[11:53] <nzero> seriously
[11:53] <gesker> I'm having trouble getting sound going on an HP ML350 with a Creative Labs SB Audigy LS card. Anyone familiar with this card?
[11:53] <nzero> yeah ximal enable drivers and install XGL
[11:53] <nzero> it will do the rest
[11:53] <Ximal> im using ethernet port right now..
[11:53] <Ximal> hmm
[11:53] <nzero> hey gnomefreak, did you notice any updates pending for you
[11:54] <gnomefreak> nzero: nope none
[11:54] <nzero> hmmm
[11:54] <Ximal> well i tried enabling the driverz sero ... and it gives me errors
[11:54] <gnomefreak> nzero: use sudo apt-get update than sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and pastebin the results
[11:54] <Ximal> do i need to do the initial package update first ?
[11:54] <mc44> Ximal: what graphics card?
[11:54] <Ximal> u know.. the one 30 minutes into bootup that you get an upgrade msg
[11:54] <Ximal> and i am on a laptop with ati
[11:54] <gesker> No sound guru out there?
[11:54] <nzero> k
[11:54] <mc44> what card?
[11:55] <mc44> Ximal: what error?
[11:55] <nzero> gui update is sort of buggy eh
[11:55] <Ximal> 1 moment
[11:55] <Ximal> i'll try again.. so i can paste it.. brb
[11:55] <nzero> !pastebin
[11:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:55] <gnomefreak> nzero: gutsy is kind of buggy
[11:56] <Ximal> bah .... it's not a huge error
[11:56] <nzero> its only got 10 days left
[11:56] <Ximal> pastebin not needed on this
[11:56] <nzero> you think things will work by then
[11:56] <WorkingOnWise> nzero: i spent lotsa time dropping to windows to get the wifi working on past laptops...thats y i asked...
[11:56] <nzero> no i didn't know about pastebin
[11:56] <gnomefreak> update-manager has alot of changes to go through for each release to help users upgrade with unofficial packages, if we didnt do that like we shouldnt have to than u-m would work :)
[11:57] <gnomefreak> 10 days is nothing
[11:57] <gnomefreak> nzero: there are problems that need to be fixed before update-manager
[11:59] <nzero> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40003/
[12:00] <gnomefreak> first off update-notifier isnt stopping gnome from working. 2. that needs to be fixed in the app, this is why update-manager was holding it back
[12:01] <gnomefreak> that is intended
[12:01] <Skinnypuppy1334> Anyone else had their VMware server quit working since the last few days updates?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> dist-upgrade will try to  install it upgrade will hol dit back and so will update-manager this is the way it is intended to work
[12:02] <usser> Hey guys does anyone with nvidia card has any problems with latest compiz update??
[12:02] <usser> it keeps segfaulting
[12:02] <gnomefreak> nope
[12:03] <nzero> so what is the solution to this, i lost at what you mean by it needs to be fixed in the app
[12:03] <WorkingOnWise> usser: latest from yesterday, or the one out this afternoon?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> nzero: leave it and wait for it to get fixed
[12:03] <usser> WorkingOnWise: the one from today
[12:03] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: i dont even have an update for that package version
[12:03] <nzero> so wait, i didn't do it
[12:04] <nzero> it was the latest updates fault
[12:04] <nzero> or wait
[12:04] <WorkingOnWise> I am waiting to see the carnage before I update to todays...
[12:04] <gnomefreak> nzero: sudo apt-get install update-notifier=0.59.6
[12:04] <bascule> I'm safe and working well
[12:04] <gnomefreak> nzero: run that command
[12:04] <gesker> I'm having trouble getting sound going on 64bit Gutsy on a HP ML350 with a Creative Labs SB Audigy LS card. Anyone familiar with this card?
[12:05] <nzero> said the version wasn't found
[12:05] <gnomefreak> nzero: apt-cache show update-notifier
[12:05] <Lunenfeld> Hi, whats the best way to install Opera on Gutsy? The deb for feisty provided by the opera homepage doesnt work.
[12:06] <WorkingOnWise> fyi- I figured out my qemu problem....I used kvm and it works perfect...
[12:06] <buntunub> anyone know if todays updates fixed the xserver dual monitor issue?
[12:06] <usser> Lunenfeld: what does it say?
[12:07] <Lunenfeld> usser: that the package is damaged or that i am not allowed to open it
[12:07] <_sidd> Did the most recent updates break update-notifier?
[12:07] <usser> Lunenfeld: did u use sudo to install it
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Lunenfeld: wait for the gutsy partner repo opens
[12:07] <gnomefreak> _sidd: yes
[12:07] <Lunenfeld> Lunenfeld: do you know when that will be?
[12:08] <nzero> gnomefreak: is this a problem of the repos that will remain until they fix it or is this some isolated problem on my box. I'm thinking of just reinstalling, as bad as it sounds
[12:08] <usser> Lunenfeld: after the release
[12:08] <gnomefreak> nzero: the package needs to be fixed, file a bug report on it and give me the link to bug
[12:08] <Lunenfeld> usser: no i used the standard procedure firefox offers for opening deb files with gdebi-installer
[12:08] <_sidd> gnomefreak: Ah... okay... then isn't just me... I guess I'll just wait for a fix.
[12:08] <usser> Lunenfeld: try saving it somewhere
[12:08] <gnomefreak> _sidd: hold that thought
[12:09] <usser> Lunenfeld: after it downloads open terminal
[12:09] <gnomefreak> im trying something
[12:09] <Lunenfeld> usser: seems the first download was corrupted. a second try with gdebi works.
[12:09] <usser> Lunenfeld: or that could be that too
[12:09] <_sidd> gnomefreak: okay...
[12:09] <Lunenfeld> usser: thx! have a nice evening/afternoon.
[12:09] <mc44> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/150680
[12:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150680 in update-notifier "cannot install new version of update-notifier: gconf schema problem" [High,Triaged]
[12:09] <gnomefreak> mc44: ty
[12:09] <usser> Hey guys does anyone with nvidia card has any problems with latest compiz update??
[12:10] <nzero> gnomefreak: is the package the update-notifier
[12:10] <bascule> what does triaged mean?
[12:10] <nzero> ?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> nzero: look at the bug report if you feel like you can do it try the work around for now
[12:11] <gnomefreak> bascule: triaged means someone triaged it but it really shouldnt be set to that afaik
[12:11] <nzero> k
[12:11] <nzero> where is the bug report
[12:11] <bascule> gnomefreak: lol, that still doesn't explain what triaged *means* :))
[12:11] <mc44> nzero: see the link above
[12:11] <bascule> !triaged
[12:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about triaged - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:12] <gnomefreak> bascule: looked at found out all the info needed to fix
[12:12] <bascule> k, thanks
[12:12] <gnomefreak> bascule: you might want to look into the topic of #ubuntu-bugs for more info
[12:13] <_sidd> mc44: awesome! Thanks.
[12:13] <mzuverink> triage basically means a temp patched up, like when you got to the hospital and the intake nurse puts a bandaid on you boo-boo
[12:13] <mc44> A fix for that bug has been uploaded, apparently
[12:13] <ppj> hey guy's I've got this really annoying desktop/compiz/gl desktop mode going on that moves the desktop to another panel as soon as i touch the right side of the screen,  i can't figure out what option stops that its the most annoying thing ever
[12:13] <gnomefreak> mc44: for what bug?
[12:13] <WorkingOnWise> what do I have to do to get a linux firewall to police traffic to my windows xp virtual machine?
[12:13] <mc44> gnomefreak: the update-notifier
[12:13] <gnomefreak> mc44: where do you see this?
[12:14] <mc44> gnomefreak: in -devel and the fact the version nuymber on launchpad is 0,61 ;)
[12:14] <gnomefreak> it will save me the work :)
[12:14] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:14] <mzuverink> mc44, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/150680
[12:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150680 in update-notifier "cannot install new version of update-notifier: gconf schema problem" [High,Confirmed]
[12:14] <nzero> i just updated package list , not update there
[12:14] <nzero> no update there*
[12:14] <mc44> mzuverink: yes, I pasted that a few minutes ago :)
[12:14] <mc44> nzero: yes, it will be around soon, patience :)
[12:15] <mzuverink> sorry that was ment for gnomefreak
[12:15] <gnomefreak> mc44: you must have more scrolling than me
[12:15] <nzero> so my gnome daemon and compiz fusion will work again
[12:15] <mc44> gnomefreak: /lastlog ftw
[12:15] <gnomefreak> nzero: neither are effected by update-notifier
[12:16] <mc44> gnomefreak: might be affecting gconf... but probably not
[12:16] <nzero> gconf was affected
[12:16] <nzero> bunches of stuff for some reason couldn't install
[12:16] <nzero> it tried but just messed stuff up
[12:17] <gnomefreak> nzero: it might but without knowing the exact issue its hard to tell. just wait for fix. unless you fix it yourself
[12:18] <cpoucet> cupsys, update-notifier...
[12:18] <cpoucet> where do I a see a log of the errors?
[12:18] <nzero> sucks, i just got everything working and then an update screwed it all up
[12:18] <nzero> !madness
[12:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about madness - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <WorkingOnWise> nzero: we love betas!
[12:19] <nzero> !Life
[12:19] <ubotu> life is something very few people know about in this channel - and anyway, it's probably offtopic, perhaps you want to try #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:19] <mc44> cpoucet: /var/log/apt
[12:19] <bicchi> sorry i just got into the channel but is everyone having problems with update-notifier not upgrading properly
[12:19] <mc44> nzero: don't play with the bot please
[12:19] <gnomefreak> nzero: if you are mad about that i would tell you to stick with stable releases
[12:19] <mc44> bicchi: yes, fix should be out soon
[12:19] <nzero> nah, i like being cutting edge
[12:19] <cpoucet> mc44: nothing there
[12:19] <bicchi> mc44: maybe someone needs to channel the channel topic to reflect this.
[12:19] <mc44> cpoucet: its a folder...
[12:20] <cpoucet> mc44: I know, it's empty
[12:20] <mc44> bicchi: no one reads the topic ;)
[12:20] <cpoucet> the issues happened during the update
[12:20] <bicchi> mc44: well i did and that is why i ended up asking.
[12:20] <WorkingOnWise> mc44: I did once....
[12:20] <cpoucet> "induced by update-manager"
[12:20] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/0.61/+build/404591 is the fixed .debs
[12:21] <mc44> cpoucet: try "sudo less /var/log/apt/term.log
[12:21] <gnomefreak> for i386 atleast
[12:21] <buntunub> kk does update manager still pull in updates or will we need to manually do updates via cli
[12:21] <mzuverink> whats so hard about fixing that update-notifier problem by hand, it take only one keystroke after opening it as root?
[12:22] <kling0n> bicchi: check to see if you have backports enabled in your rsources.list
[12:22] <cpoucet> mc44: the driectory is empty
[12:22] <mzuverink> there's enough info on the bug reports a retard could do it
[12:22] <kling0n> rsources.list = /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:22] <ptfd9100> anyone having trouble with compiz ll the sudeden?
[12:22] <kling0n> bicchi: if so, comment them out and re-run update-manager
[12:22] <nzero> mzuverink, where is the bug report
[12:22] <bicchi> kling0n: i do have it. let me try your fix.
[12:23] <mzuverink> nzero,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/150680
[12:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150680 in update-notifier "cannot install new version of update-notifier: gconf schema problem" [High,Confirmed]
[12:23] <nzero> thanks
[12:23] <cpoucet> mc44: you mean /var/log/dist-upgrade/term.log?
[12:23] <mzuverink> for about the 80th time today
[12:23] <mc44> cpoucet: if you were upgrading
[12:23] <cpoucet> @paste
[12:23] <gnomefreak> use the link i gave you to install latest version
[12:24] <cpoucet> http://rafb.net/p/Nu52JT43.html
[12:24] <mzuverink> nzero, look at my but report, the one about syntax being wrong, they forgot a <
[12:24] <bascule> make an entry in the bot
[12:24] <gnomefreak> nzero: there are debs for hte fixed version
[12:24] <mc44> cpoucet: install from here https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/0.61/+build/404591 and try again
[12:24] <mzuverink> gnomefreak, true, but nzero does not seem to accept that fact
[12:25] <gnomefreak> mc44: he needs-common first
[12:25] <cpoucet> mc44: how
[12:25] <bicchi> kling0n: removing the backports repo did not fixed the problem.
[12:25] <gnomefreak> mzuverink: thats his own fault he should learn dpkg/apt and understand there are bugs before he uses devel version
[12:26] <gnomefreak> bicchi: backports in gutsy are not htere
[12:26] <gnomefreak> no such thing
[12:26] <mzuverink> gnomefreak, true
[12:26] <mc44> bicchi: you're trying to fix the update-notifier problem?
[12:26] <bicchi> gnomefreak: i know that isn't the cause of the problem.
[12:26] <bicchi> mc4: yes
[12:26] <gnomefreak> bicchi: what is your problem
[12:26] <gnomefreak> does noone listen
[12:26] <cpoucet> mc44: how do I do that?
[12:26] <mc44> bicchi: then either wait for the new deb, install it from that link or fix it yourself from the bug report
[12:26] <gnomefreak> 18:20 <      gnomefreak > https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/0.61/+build/404591 is the fixed .debs
[12:26] <mc44> cpoucet: just wait for the fixed version of update-notifier
[12:27] <bicchi> mc44: i know but someone had told me that commenting the backports repo would fixed that.
[12:27] <cpoucet> mc44: basically just upgrade in a few days?
[12:27] <mc44> cpoucet: a few hours
[12:27] <gnomefreak> left hand side of that page will provide you with both .debs you need
[12:27] <macogw> wait wait why doesnt ubotu talk abut John Conway's "Life" when you !life ?
[12:27] <cpoucet> mc44: there were also issues with cupsys
[12:27] <cpoucet> regarding update-notifier, going back in history, it seems to be a parsing issue
[12:27] <gnomefreak> macogw: umm could it be because this is a support channel?
[12:28] <cpoucet> /usr/share/gconf/schemas/update-notifier.schemas:12: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: default line 7 and schema
[12:28] <gnomefreak> 18:20 <      gnomefreak > https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/0.61/+build/404591 is the fixed .debs
[12:28] <cpoucet> a couple of those
[12:28] <gnomefreak> cpoucet: its  atypo missing >
[12:28] <macogw> gnomefreak: ubotu doesn't change between this channel and the other ubuntu channels
[12:28] <gnomefreak> macogw: yes he does
[12:28] <buntunub> missing < actually
[12:28] <macogw> he *does*???
[12:28] <gnomefreak> macogw: yes we can set it up all kinds of ways
[12:28] <macogw> so you have to learn new ubotu commands for each channel?
[12:28] <macogw> dang
[12:28] <cpoucet> should I restart?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> no
[12:28] <cpoucet> now that I've upgraded?
[12:29] <buntunub> should be false </false>
[12:29] <gnomefreak> macogw: join #ubuntu-bots and find out from there
[12:29] <ximal_> hello
[12:29] <nzero> i fixed my first bug
[12:29] <nzero> yeah hoes
[12:29] <ximal_> I need a little help... I can't get the wine to install
[12:29] <buntunub> btw compiz seems to be running much better now on my poor laptop integrated nvidia chip
[12:29] <ptfd9100> need help with gtk-qt-engind (i think)
[12:30] <ximal_> i tried going to add remove... but i can't get it to allow me to check it ?
[12:30] <ximal_> any ideas.... ps : nzero : I made the wireless card start working ;)
[12:30] <nzero> nice
[12:30] <ximal_> yeah.. hehe
[12:31] <ximal_> i never have to look at windows again..
[12:31] <bascule> ximal_: nice feeling :)
[12:31] <ptfd9100> buntunub: is compiz working right now on your laptop w/nvidia?
[12:31] <ximal_> yes...
[12:31] <buntunub> yes it is
[12:31] <ximal_> now to conquer divorce.. lol
[12:31] <wabiD> is compiz really buggy today?
[12:31] <buntunub> thats after todays update
[12:31] <ximal_> nah... anyhow..
[12:31] <ximal_> I do need help
[12:32] <buntunub> havent checked dual monitors yet
[12:32] <ximal_> i can't get wine to run on the laptop... add/remove won't let me check it... could it be because of the distrobution upgrade ???
[12:32] <ximal_> so i need to cancel the upgrade ?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> mc44: now point people to the topic
[12:32] <ptfd9100> compiz is crashing on mine with errors about ~/.kde/share/apps/gtk-qt-engine stuff
[12:32] <mc44> gnomefreak: that won't help :)
[12:32] <gnomefreak> mc44: sure it will
[12:32] <gnomefreak> watch on next person
[12:32] <nzero> damn, now i have to reinstall gutsy
[12:32] <bicchi> gnomefreak: you should post a link to manually fix it.
[12:32] <gnomefreak> nzero: good do that
[12:33] <buntunub> try reinstalling compiz
[12:33] <mc44> gnomefreak: ah you added it at the start, I thought it got cut off at the end :)
[12:33] <gnomefreak> bicchi: why when in les than 10 hours the updated one will be in repos
[12:33] <nzero> there were like 10 things that didn't install properly
[12:33] <ximal_> hello ?
[12:33] <ptfd9100> tried, just puttzes out, then no window decorations... reminds me of the old beryl problem.
[12:33] <ximal_> do i need to cancel the distro upgrade ?
[12:33] <wabiD> is there a way to tell compiz to reload itself and not fall back to metacity
[12:33] <ximal_> i keep seeing this crud you guys talking about with errors here and there ?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> its already been uploaded its done with buildd already and waiting a nudge when one of the devels should be less than 2 hours
[12:34] <nzero> its cause its beta
[12:34] <nzero> no i fixed notifier
[12:34] <wabiD> recordmydesktop and screenlets are causing my compiz to crash
[12:34] <wabiD> so is shift+F10 sometimes
[12:34] <ptfd9100> hmmm... openoffice gives me trouble,..
[12:35] <nzero> just can't figure out why compiz and gnome daemon are crashing
[12:35] <h1st0> Anyone know how to fix tab completion so that you can sudo apt-g<tab>  and have it autocomplete?
[12:35] <mc44> h1st0: that works for me
[12:35] <bascule> me too
[12:35] <ptfd9100> me three
[12:35] <mzuverink> nzero, stable release, best fix of all
[12:35] <wabiD> is there an easy way to roll back to yesterdays compiz?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> nzero: thats not a gutsy bug it sounds more like a local bug on your end since noone else seems to see it
[12:35] <h1st0> mc44: Worked for me too about a few minutes ago.  But this has just started.
[12:36] <h1st0> There was a way to fix it I believe a file in my ~ that needed to be touched or something.
[12:36] <gnomefreak> bashrc?
[12:36] <mzuverink> compiz has been fine for me all day w/ all the bells and whistles
[12:36] <ximal_> helo ? ughh... anyone mind telling me or helping me install wine ? pleeeeease ?
[12:36] <ptfd9100> hmm.. I need last hours compiz..
[12:36] <mc44> ximal_: sudo apt-get install wine?
[12:36] <h1st0> Its only a problem with sudo then a <tab> ex: I can do apt-g<tab> with out sudo and have it auto complete
[12:36] <ximal_> i tried doing sudo apt get .. but nothing
[12:37] <bascule> hey on the subject of completion did you guys know you can spell check dirs and such?
[12:37] <ximal_> thanks mc.. i couldn't remember the right syntax
[12:37] <gnomefreak> ximal_: your kidding right?
[12:37] <gnomefreak> please tell me your kidding
[12:37] <h1st0> gnomefreak: I dont' have a .bashrc in my home could that be the problem?
[12:37] <ximal_> no i'm dead serious.. this is the first time i've used linux in 7 years
[12:37] <gnomefreak> h1st0: yes you do
[12:38] <h1st0> gnomefreak: No i don't
[12:38] <gnomefreak> h1st0: ~/.bashrc
[12:38] <gnomefreak> h1st0: yes you do
[12:38] <ximal_> i'm used to different commands and the fact that this is visua.. not rgb styled linux
[12:38] <h1st0> Its not there
[12:38] <gnomefreak> h1st0: unless you removed it you do
[12:38] <ximal_> i'm used to distro's like amoeba and slinux
[12:38] <h1st0> gnomefreak: ls -la .b*
[12:38] <h1st0> -rw------- 1 histo histo 593 2007-10-08 04:30 .bash_history
[12:38] <macogw> ximal_: visua?
[12:38] <ximal_> nothing this advanced..
[12:38] <bascule> shopt -s cdspell
[12:38] <ximal_> non visual..
[12:38] <gnomefreak> and if you removed it you need to stop removing things
[12:38] <h1st0> gnomefreak: not there
[12:38] <ximal_> dos like screens..
[12:38] <h1st0> gnomefreak: what is the file suppoosed to contain?
[12:38] <macogw> ximal_: oh and what would rgb mean?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> ximal_: i suggest learning apt and dpkg before using devel versions
[12:39] <ximal_> red green blue
[12:39] <macogw> ximal_: so this is visual, not colors?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> h1st0: it hold all config stuff for bash (alias', commands other goodies)
[12:39] <cpoucet> DOH
[12:39] <cpoucet> when I reboot in 7.10
[12:39] <cpoucet> and choose 22.13 as kernel
[12:39] <bascule> shopt -c nocaseglob <-- case insensitive completions
[12:39] <KevlarSoul> Will Ubuntu 64bit support Intel dual core processors??
[12:39] <h1st0> gnomefreak: yeah I just want to get the default ubuntu .bashrc
[12:39] <gnomefreak> cpoucet: one line please
[12:39] <ximal_> gnomefreak : i'm very adaptable .. i learn quickly and pick up 80% of what I see , hear , and do .. in memory..
[12:39] <macogw> h1st0: did you only do "ls" instead of "ls -A" (or -a)
[12:39] <cpoucet> I get a zillion dm-linear messages and then pressed something and I finally got gui login but it did not load my /home partition
[12:39] <bascule> shopt -s nocaseglob I meant
[12:39] <KevlarSoul> E6850
[12:39] <h1st0> macogw: its not there trust me.
[12:40] <macogw> weeeird...did you delete it?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> i bet he has a ~/.bashrc~ now :)
[12:40] <KevlarSoul> How about 8800 GTX nvidia?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> seeing as its a hidden file he would have tried to delete it to delete it
[12:40] <h1st0> macogw: gnomefreak I found one in /etc/skel
[12:41] <mc44> KevlarSoul: yes in gutsy. Stop asking in two channels at once
[12:41] <cpoucet> What is 'dm-linear'?
[12:41] <h1st0> macogw: I must have deleted it before i installed gutsy I was cleaning out my home partition
[12:41] <gnomefreak> h1st0: not same
[12:41] <ximal_> bah .. i'm used to terminals and gmacs etc etc... sorry for seeming so newbish but i used to use redhat and old mandrake as well as amoeba distro's .. like command prompt linux... the only thing visual was programs..n not the actual gui like interface that we use now..
[12:41] <h1st0> gnomefreak: /etc/skel/ should be the one used for new users no?
[12:41] <macogw> h1st0: odd thing to "clean" out O_o
[12:41] <gnomefreak> h1st0: install of gutsy gives it to you
[12:41] <cpoucet> And cupsys won't install
[12:41] <h1st0> gnomefreak: I have a seperate /home it didnt' add it.
[12:41] <gnomefreak> h1st0: no not really you config bash using ~/.bashrc
[12:42] <bascule> h1st0: yeah it's short for skeleton
[12:42] <macogw> ximal_: you *can* use ubuntu all command line...
[12:42] <ximal_> aye ..
[12:42] <macogw> ximal_: was this in the days before yum and up2date?
[12:42] <ximal_> u can choose not to startx
[12:42] <h1st0> gnomefreak: I understand that but i'm saying the one in /etc/skel is used for any new users
[12:42] <gnomefreak> h1st0: yes it is
[12:42] <gilster> i am trying to install live cd. Double clicking the install icon does nothing/ any help?
[12:42] <Netham45> how stable is gutsy?
[12:42] <bascule> relative term!
[12:42] <ximal_> no macogw : this was in the days when redhat and mandrake ( before it became penguin recently ) was due to hardware problems.. lol
[12:42] <mc44> Netham45: it's beta
[12:43] <macogw> Netham45: non-crashy, sometimes broken repos, X works.....network manager's slightly messed up...no framebuffer...
[12:43] <ximal_> it was in ... 95 to 98
[12:43] <rustlerharv> Netham45: it killed my system twice and it still isnt working
[12:43] <dug_> Netham45: it works fine, but you will get a bunch of updates every day until the final release (in a week or two - 19th)
[12:43] <gnomefreak> Netham45: how well are you with waiting for fixes?
[12:43] <Netham45> well
[12:43] <dug_> or 18th whatever
[12:43] <rustlerharv> 18th
[12:43] <macogw> ximal_: oh my that is a while ago.  mandriva changed names again?  well, you should man dpkg and man apt-get
[12:43] <Netham45> I have 2 spare PCs just sitting here
[12:43] <gilster> help installing plase?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> it works fine if you know what you are doing
[12:43] <rustlerharv> i just looked 10 min ago
[12:43] <cpoucet> Any ideas why 22-13 will not load my home directory (and gigve me a ton of dm-linear errors), and why cupsys won't install?
[12:43] <ximal_> ahh mandrake to mandriva
[12:43] <macogw> gilster: "sudo ubiquity"
[12:44] <Netham45> yea, the 18th
[12:44] <gilster> macogw
[12:44] <gnomefreak> macogw: gksudo
[12:44] <Netham45> my birthday. ^.^
[12:44] <gilster> macogw:thanks, so i need to install from cli
[12:44] <gilster> ?
[12:44] <macogw> gilster: ok fine gnomefreak says gksudo so use that
[12:44] <h1st0> brb gonna try logging out and back in
[12:44] <gnomefreak> but my guess is he would have seen the icon
[12:44] <macogw> gilster: no thatll start the gui program
[12:44] <macogw> gnomefreak: he said the icon didnt work
[12:44] <gnomefreak> oh he did?
[12:44] <macogw> gnomefreak: yeah
[12:44] <gilster> ok so this is a known issue?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:45] <gnomefreak> gilster: no
[12:45] <macogw> gilster: nope
[12:45] <gnomefreak> not until you
[12:45] <gilster> ok well maybe my disk is bad.
[12:45] <gnomefreak> gilster: how much memory? did you try rebooting the live cd
[12:45] <ximal_> macogw : sorry for the /msg or private msg... didn't mean to intrude
[12:45] <gnomefreak> i had an issue with it not working but due to lag of running livecd
[12:45] <macogw> ximal_: i didnt get one
[12:46] <gilster> do i have to use 64bit for a 64athalon or can i run the 32 bit
[12:46] <macogw> 32bit will be fine
[12:46] <mc44> you can use the 32 bit
[12:46] <Netham45> you can use the 32bit
[12:46] <ximal_> hmm
[12:46] <ximal_> basically.. lemme report here
[12:46] <macogw> the only limitation on 32bit is that you can't access >4GB of RAM
[12:46] <gilster> thats fine only got 1.5
[12:46] <wabiD> what does see re, mean in topic
[12:46] <Netham45> how much ram can 64bit allocate?
[12:46] <frostburn> gilster, 64bit will be fine for any application you'll run
[12:46] <macogw> Netham45: shitloads
[12:46] <ximal_>  yes... i used linux back when 98 gold edition was out on windows..
[12:46] <ximal_>  that's how long it's been
[12:46] <ximal_>  and yet i managed to successfully navigate through gutsy's erroneous setup... and get it working along with my wireless adapter on my laptop.. just some things block me.. i mean completely stop me.. in which i come to help channels for the help i need..
[12:46] <frostburn> Netham45, 36bits of addressing
[12:47] <bascule> cpoucet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evms/+bug/115616
[12:47] <gilster> i have the disk here, and as soon as it starts the live cd it boots up and the screensaver app crashe according to gnome
[12:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,Fix released]
[12:47] <gilster> it then does nothing when i click the install icon
[12:47] <ximal_> heh .. i'm in an amd64 bit
[12:47] <macogw> gilster: might be a bad disk or dirty cd drive lens
[12:48] <gilster> that could be...
[12:48] <Netham45> lets see, I have this PC with 32-bit kubuntu installed, that other PC with 32-bit Ubuntu server(both 7.04) and this other pc with Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper 64bit ubuntu installed
[12:48] <Netham45> I only use this pc with the 32-bit kubuntu
[12:48] <gilster> i am gonna redownload the i386 see how it goes
[12:48] <gilster> thanks
[12:48] <cyberfin> evening
[12:48] <cpoucet> bascule: thanks, I'll try removing evms to see what happens
[12:48] <cyberfin> Just a quick question (and a bit obvious maybe) Is it normal that there are so many updates for Gutsy, like everyday? Is it because it's in Beta?
[12:49] <bascule> yes
[12:49] <SlimeyPete> yes, it's normal
[12:49] <gnomefreak> cyberfin: yes
[12:49] <cyberfin> thought so... :)
[12:49] <ximal_> wow .. someone mind telling me just how big wine is ?
[12:49] <cyberfin> I just logged on and had 55 updates so I was impressed and worried at the same time :S
[12:50] <frostburn> ximal_, 20meg or so
[12:50] <gnomefreak> cyberfin: if worried you should really stick with stable
[12:50] <ximal_> hmm.. i log into updates every day.. cyberfin : it's going to happen with any beta.. from what i understand
[12:50] <nikin> i have trubles using gimp
[12:50] <bascule> its th UI, we all do :)
[12:51] <wabiD> i dunno if id update today either
[12:51] <cyberfin> don't get me wrong, I've been having hardware issues lately
[12:51] <nikin> when i try to start it i get gimp: symbol lookup error: gimp: undefined symbol: gimp_micro_version
[12:51] <ximal_> 32.9 megs for wine : frostburn : is what it's showing me in terminal
[12:51] <h1st0> yeah it was the absense of .bashrc
[12:51] <macogw> cyberfin: one day last week there were like 200 updates in the morning and another 120 in the evening
[12:51] <cyberfin> lol
[12:51] <macogw> bascule: speak for thyself
[12:51] <cyberfin> ok just got this from the update: E: update-notifier: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[12:51] <macogw> nikin: change the theme
[12:52] <nikin> the gtk theme?
[12:52] <macogw> nikin: do you have the gimp small theme set?
[12:52] <bascule> macogw: heh, it was a cliche that I don't really believe
[12:52] <nikin> yes.. i used that
[12:52] <macogw> nikin: dont
[12:52] <macogw> it used to make gimp crash....have they fixed it just enough to only give errors?
[12:52] <cyberfin> I have a few repos that aren't working well could it be those?
[12:52] <nikin> how can i change that without starting gimp
[12:52] <macogw> *shrug*
[12:52] <macogw> google?
[12:52] <mc44> cyberfin: read the topic :)
[12:53] <cyberfin> ah ok
[12:53] <cyberfin> thnx nway
[12:53] <crimsun> mzuverink: no, I've been away most of the afternoon/evening localtime, sorry.
[12:54] <mzuverink> crimsun, well if you get the time...it be cool...
[12:55] <crimsun> mzuverink: I don't think I will.  There are a few critical audio bugs that I'm chasing.
[12:55] <mzuverink> crimsun, thats cool too, I am sure by release it will get fixed and it is only cosmetic
[12:56] <crimsun> mzuverink: please file a bug using Launchpad if you haven't already :)
[12:57] <mzuverink> crimsun, its on my list of stuff to do tonight, I just got home from a 12 hour shift of help deskfor the ISP I work for, seems every moron in town forgot how to build a dialer in windows(c)
[12:57] <nikin> how can i change the theme in gimp, if i cant start it.. i tryed to purge gimp , but that didnt help
[12:58] <gnomefreak> ok everyone before asking your question read the topic if you look at your server window in IRC upon joining this channel it tells you that. by doing that it reduces the number of people with the same problem asking the same thing over and over again
[12:58] <frostburn> nikin, theme? isn't it just gtk
[12:59] <nikin> frostburn: i get an error when i try to start it.... gimp: symbol lookup error: gimp: undefined symbol: gimp_micro_version
[12:59] <macogw> frostburn: gimp has themes.  the "small" theme makes gimp crash (i spotted that while reading random bug reports last week)
[12:59] <frostburn> weird
[01:00] <macogw> nikin: deleting ~/.gimp would likely do it
[01:00] <macogw> nikin: ~/.gimp-2.4 i'm guessing
[01:00] <kevinO> hello, i just tried to start my computer with the current kernel and it would not boot, recovery kernel will bot boot either, i had to boot with the 2.6.22-12-generic kernel. I have not dont anything but start the pc from earlier
[01:00] <ximal_> quick question .. what's the wine cfg command ?
[01:00] <nikin> macogw: did that.. didnt help
[01:00] <macogw> oh...dunno
[01:00] <kevinO> will not*
[01:00] <macogw> ximal_ winecfg i think
[01:01] <ximal_> ahh thanks
[01:01] <ximal_> i was putting a space between the two
[01:01] <macogw> gtg
[01:01] <macogw> time for my open source class :)
[01:01] <macogw> ill be back when im done walking over there :P
[01:02] <ximal_> ahh
[01:02] <ximal_> config complete ;) woot
[01:02] <nikin> ximal_: winecfg ?
[01:02] <ximal_> now to install guild wars on the laptop
[01:02] <kevinO> does anyone have any ideas whats wrong?
[01:02] <nikin> ximal_: installing GE is a hrad run..
[01:02] <frostburn> guildwars runs well, but there's no content
[01:02] <ximal_> ge ?
[01:03] <nikin> ximal_: look at winehq.org
[01:03] <ximal_> hrad ?
[01:03] <ximal_> use full names... like i said... it's been a while m8's
[01:03] <nikin> hard
[01:03] <ximal_> ok... but what's GE ?
[01:03] <ximal_> u mean gw ?
[01:03] <nikin> yep
[01:03] <ximal_> i installed it and confged it on my own last night on my desktop
[01:03] <ximal_> that's the easy part
[01:03] <Aasnes> kevin0: I had the same problem 2-3 day ago. I started in ...22-12 and did a full apt-get update/upgrade... fixed my problem.
[01:03] <ximal_> :)
[01:04] <ximal_> i even fixed the mouse bug
[01:04] <ximal_> lol
[01:04] <ximal_> u need the fix ?
[01:04] <nikin> ximal_: you are lucky :D when i tryed i had to work for 3 days
[01:04] <majnoon> how switch X back to f7 instead of f9 ??
[01:04] <ximal_> nikin : install wine .. confg it for windows xp
[01:04] <ximal_> then download the installer.. don't use a cd..
[01:04] <PriceChild> majnoon, how did you change it in the first place?
[01:04] <ximal_> when you install it ..
[01:05] <majnoon> no know
[01:05] <ximal_> you will be ok.. DO NOT EXIT OUT OF THE FULL SCREEN whenever it first boots ok nikin ?
[01:05] <ximal_> otherwise you'll be fighting the resizer..
[01:05] <majnoon> i did upgrade and pooft
[01:05] <ximal_> then... to make the thing work right ... for the mouse.. just zoom into first person and right click to mouse around
[01:05] <ximal_> it will make the mouse appear..
[01:05] <PriceChild> majnoon, I can't help sorry.
[01:05] <ximal_> then you can zoom out to use the mouse ;)
[01:05] <ximal_> problem fixed..
[01:06] <majnoon> works perfect except that
[01:06] <ximal_> if you use windowed mode.. dont' shrink the window either..
[01:06] <ximal_> just put it in applet 2..
[01:06] <ximal_> or Desk 2
[01:08] <DM|> How is the new gutsy update (10/8/07) any known problems?
[01:08] <PriceChild> DM|, ok....
[01:08] <DM|> I dont want to update and fool around with it right now :) so im curious
[01:08] <PriceChild> DM|, the world is a big place...
[01:08] <DM|> PriceChild zomg really?
[01:09] <PriceChild> DM|, 1. that could be 48 hours or so
[01:09] <kevinO> Aasnes: thanks ill try that
[01:09] <DM|> PriceChild lol
[01:09] <Aasnes> kevino|
[01:09] <Aasnes> Hope it works for you...
[01:09] <PriceChild> DM|, 2. Updates don't really happen as a day... they are *seperate packages*
[01:09] <kevinO> thanks
[01:09] <ximal_> hmm .. I can't find bittorrent even though it shows as checked under add/remove
[01:09] <ximal_> any ideas ?
[01:09] <DM|> I know but the most recent batch , thats why i put the date
[01:09] <PriceChild> DM|, I'd suggest that you remind yourself Gutsy is NOT recommended for anyone who doesn't know exactly what they're doing.
[01:10] <PriceChild> DM|, If you use it, you should *expect breakage*
[01:10] <mc44> DM|: there aren't "batches" it depends when you last updated, and read the topic
[01:10] <PriceChild> *groans* didn't i just say that mc44? :)
[01:10] <DM|> FFS people i aksed a question, I was just curious, calm down
[01:11] <DM|> OMG ITS A BETA RELEASE.... yes i know this, thats why ive been using it
[01:11] <mc44> PriceChild: repetition never hurts :)
[01:11] <PriceChild> DM|, calling it a "question" is generous... it wasn't that specific.
[01:11] <DM|> How is the new gutsy update (10/8/07) any known problems?
[01:11] <DM|> thats what i said
[01:11] <PriceChild> mc44, no I wasn't complaining about you, rather the reason you must talk.
[01:11] <PriceChild> mc44, s/must talk/had to repeat that/
[01:11] <mc44> DM|: yes, as a question it is unanswerable
[01:12] <kevinO> lol
[01:12] <kevinO> its a basic question, he just wanted an opinion
[01:12] <PriceChild> kevinO, and I've explained why its a foolish question.
[01:12] <macogw> anyone notice that the topic is cut off?
[01:12] <kevinO> does that matter?
[01:12] <PriceChild> macogw, yup.
[01:12] <buntunub> yes the last update broke some xserver settings, no it didnt break anything
[01:12] <DM|> mc44 seeing that most of us are beta users, assume for a moment we all dont live in a box, and update every day, you must think outside of the box mc44.
[01:12] <mc44> macogw: cos that stuff was added to the start
[01:13] <buntunub> ok?
[01:13] <PriceChild> macogw, will sort that out soon... needs shortenning :P
[01:13] <Aasnes> DM| it fixed my sound card (onboard Acer TM 8215). And my wireless is alot more stable..
[01:13] <mc44> DM|: if you don't update everyday it makes the question even less helpful...
[01:13] <DM|> mc44 so when one says,, Hey any known probs with the new updates, think about it
[01:13] <DM|> mc44 u are just arguing for the sake of it
[01:13] <buntunub> yes my dual screens are still broke
[01:13] <DM|> aasnes what wifi card?
[01:13] <DM|> buntunub nvidia?
[01:14] <buntunub> but no everything works
[01:14] <buntunub> yes nvidia
[01:14] <PriceChild> !info network-manager
[01:14] <ubotu> network-manager: network management framework daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.5-0ubuntu15 (gutsy), package size 265 kB, installed size 664 kB
[01:14] <buntunub> indeed wifi via Ndiswrapper is working nicely
[01:14] <kevinO> yeah i got updates this morning, and after i boot my pc this evening, it doesnt wotk, so I could have used that question before i fetched the updates this morning, and my computer would still boot
[01:15] <PriceChild> !info update-notifier
[01:15] <ubotu> update-notifier: Daemon which notifies about package updates. In component main, is optional. Version 0.59.6 (gutsy), package size 50 kB, installed size 252 kB
[01:15] <mc44> kevinO: see how different people answer that question of whether the updates worked differently? :)
[01:15] <mc44> kevinO: what error do you get on boot?
[01:16] <kevinO> it just doesnt boot, the recovery kernel will not boot either
[01:16] <kevinO> i booted the older kernel
[01:16] <Aasnes> DM| Intel pro 3945ABG.. (don't actually know the "selling name"
[01:16] <DM|> buntunub I cant find it but there was a howto on getting twinview to work with the new updates, i dont use 2 monitors so i didnt read it
[01:16] <mc44> kevinO: where does it fail, how does it fail...
[01:16] <cpoucet> seems there's an issue with cupsys namely it can not remove something and that stops the building :|
[01:16] <buntunub> probably by handwriting xorg
[01:16] <DM|> aasnes ah, i got that one too, All i had to do was install restricted when .13 was updated
[01:16] <kevinO> well the progress bar just stops about 1/6th the way into it.
[01:17] <gnomefreak> all known issues for most users are in the topic, when you join the channel it tells you to read the topic. please read topic before asking your questions
[01:17] <buntunub> kevin0 try to disable the boot screen and watch the verbose mode
[01:17] <kevinO> mc44 and when i booted the recovery kernel it was hung up at something about 1pv6 routers or something
[01:18] <kevinO> buntunub ok what commands do i need to pass to grub for that?
[01:18] <Aasnes> DM| That's probably the same as I installed.. But took 3-4 days of updates at once today...
[01:18] <buntunub> why not to run Gutsy?
[01:18] <buntunub> its runnin ok for Beta
[01:18] <DM|> Aasnes ay.
[01:18] <mc44> PriceChild: haha
[01:18] <PriceChild> buntunub, Because it is not finished software and as such has bugs.
[01:18] <buntunub> well of course..its beta