[06:14] <Fallen> So for the recent libera matrix/irc bridging, Seth from the IRC council is aware and I'm happy to support him on plumbing rooms as necessary.
[06:17] <Fallen> For IRC in general, there are no immediate plans to shut down the IRC rooms, but we are considering making Matrix the main communication channel that is advertised.
[06:18] <Fallen> Bridging would still be a thing at least for the main rooms.
[06:18] <Fallen> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/modern-communication-platforms-call-for-feedback/36763/14
[06:18] <Fallen> IRC Council has been involved in the discussions.
[06:20] <Fallen> I don't think we need to speed up our matrix instance because of the plumbing issue, we can still plumb to a libera matrix room in the meanwhile.
[07:24] <guiverc> thanks Fallen
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> sounds good Fallen


[01:25] <fta> Error: this.windowToFocus.content is null
[01:25] <fta> Source File: file:///usr/lib/firefox-3.2a1pre/components/nsSessionStore.js
[01:25] <fta> Line: 2153
[01:35] <fta> (impossible to restore a session)
[03:51] <jcastro> did some update change window management or something? I'm getting weird fullscreen thing in both jaunty and intrepid.
[03:51] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/308897
[03:51] <jcastro> looks just like this
[09:12] <gnomefreak> do we use #ubuntu-desktop for evolution questions or #evolution?
[09:21] <gnomefreak> was X fixed?
[09:40] <gnomefreak> bug 231679
[09:40] <gnomefreak> morning asac
[09:41] <gnomefreak> bug 220340
[10:52] <gnomefreak> bug 311530
[15:04] <asac> hi
[15:09] <fta> hi
[15:10] <asac> fta: so it seems you survived christimas ;) ... hope you could get some rest
[15:30] <fta> :)
[15:42] <armin76> bumb
[16:37] <fta> asac, when I hover a link, the url in the status bar is immediately replaced by "Done". this is annoying. Any idea what could be causing that?
[19:24] <asac> fta: on shiretoko?
[19:24] <asac> 3.2pre?
[19:30] <asac> fta: is that for all tabs or just for some tabs?
[19:31] <asac> statusbar info is usually a "push" ... if you see a done from a separate document would be interesting to see which that is
[19:31] <fta> asac, on both 3.1 and 3.2
[19:31] <fta> all tabs
[19:31] <fta> even in safe mode
[19:32] <asac> fta: what kind of special prefs do you have?
[19:33] <asac> hmm gone ;)
[19:33] <fta> X crashed, again
[19:34] <asac> poor fta
[19:34] <asac> you seem to suffer from jaunty ;)
[19:34] <asac> fta: what gtk version do you have?
[19:34] <fta> jaunty
[19:34] <asac> i dont have that yet ;)
[19:35] <fta> you should
[19:35]  * asac feels lame ;)
[19:35] <asac> yes
[19:35] <asac> i was about to upgrade my main system
[19:35] <asac> i have to keep the intrepid thing for a NM backport batch i still have to finish
[19:35] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/93849/
[19:37] <asac> are those EE things harmless?
[19:37] <fta> i tried the last 3 nvidia versions, nada. the new X hates me
[19:37] <asac> fta: have you tried nv?
[19:37] <asac> at least that shouldnt be as crashy i hope
[19:38] <fta> yes, it crashes when i move a window slightly out of the viewscreen
[19:38] <asac> so we are on 1.5.99 (git snapshot) again :/
[19:38] <fta> totally useless for me
[19:39]  * Jazzva thinks about upgrading to jaunty... safe, exciting :)?
[19:39] <asac> for me it sounds like X is broken enough for you to cause all kind of wierd issues even in ffox
[19:39] <asac> random X events ;)
[19:39] <asac> i think i first have to uninstall bunch of crap
[19:39] <Jazzva> heh :)
[19:39] <asac> otherwise upgrade will take a day
[19:40] <Jazzva> "ok... let's start work on that project... hmm, X crashed. that must be a sign not to work" :)
[19:40] <fta> 2:1.5.3-1ubuntu1 was fine, since the 2:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3 upgrade, i'm doomed
[19:42] <asac> yeah ... sounds like a massive bump ;)
[19:42] <asac> but be assured ... currently removing kde stuff
[19:42] <asac> then i will upgrade ;)
[19:43] <Jazzva> asac, two new patches for nspluginwrapper were published today. I'll prepare -0ubuntu2 later tonight, so you can upload it.
[19:43] <Jazzva> but now to upgrade to jaunty...
[19:43] <asac> Jazzva: do we need to prepatch it?
[19:44] <asac> Jazzva: arent those committed to svn? maybe we are better off by merging that to bzr?
[19:44] <Jazzva> I didn't pull the current trunk for 1.2.0, as Gwenole mentioned it's not really usable in one mail.
[19:45] <Jazzva> what do you mean to "prepatch"?
[19:45] <asac> Jazzva: prepatch -> add patches to debian/patches from mailing list
[19:45] <asac> Jazzva: vs. merge new commits through means of svn/bzr
[19:45] <Jazzva> ah, yes...
[19:45] <fta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1023039
[19:46] <Jazzva> I would add them to debian/patches, and once trunk gets usable, we can remove them...
[19:46] <asac> how maybe packages do you have installed?
[19:46] <asac> dpkg -l  | grep ^ii | wc -l
[19:46] <Jazzva> maybe=many?
[19:46] <Jazzva> 1853
[19:47] <asac> yeah
[19:47] <asac> fta: t?
[19:47] <fta> fta@ix:~ $ dpkg -l  | grep ^ii | wc -l
[19:47] <fta> 2171
[19:47] <fta> fta@voyager:~ $ dpkg -l  | grep ^ii | wc -l
[19:47] <fta> 1874
[19:48] <fta> fta@cube:~ $ dpkg -l  | grep ^ii | wc -l
[19:48] <fta> 1522
[19:49] <asac> ok ... thanks ;) ... after removing kde stuff i have
[19:49] <asac> dpkg -l  | grep ^ii | wc -l
[19:49] <asac> 2675
[19:49] <asac> i think i should remove some but its ok
[19:49] <asac> hmmm ... any command line to upgrade (or just apt-get dist-upgrade ;))?
[19:50] <fta> update-manager -c -d :)
[19:50] <Jazzva> sed -i "s/intrepid/jaunty/g" /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; is what I do :)
[19:50] <crimsun> fta: if you're running jaunty w/ proprietary Nvidia, you need to downgrade and pin (to) xserver-xorg (7.4~5ubuntu5), xserver-xorg-core (1.5.3-1ubuntu1), and xserver-xorg-input-evdev (2.0.99+git20080912-0ubuntu6). you may need to downgrade and pin (to) xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (0.15.2-0ubuntu7) if you have that hardware, too.
[19:50] <fta> i use apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:50] <asac> Jazzva: i guess dist-upgrade ;)
[19:50] <asac> no upgrade
[19:50] <Jazzva> yeah :)
[19:51] <asac> fta: i think i always did ... wonder if its a good idea to do different now
[19:51] <asac> hmm
[19:51] <asac> ok going for dist-upgrade
[19:51] <crimsun> fta: that's precisely the system i've been using for about a week across suspend-to-disk/resume just fine. i'm about to reboot for 2.6.28-4-generic, tho'.
[19:51] <Jazzva> asac: it's just easier to me to spot dpkg breakages that way :)
[19:51] <asac> what is 28-4?
[19:52] <crimsun> asac: just newer kernel that begins the "move stuff out of initramfs back into linux" also rebased against 2.6.28 final.
[19:52] <crimsun> part of the larger "improve boot times" specs
[19:52] <asac> hmmm archive.ubuntu.com mirror is really bad for me the last few days
[19:53] <fta> crimsun, is there a bug for that (x crashes with nvidia) that i can follow? so i'm not stuck forever
[19:53] <asac> crimsun: is 2.6.28 final no?
[19:53] <crimsun> asac: yes
[19:53] <crimsun> fta: were you also experiencing the crashes w/ the previous jaunty X server?
[19:53] <asac> so my 2.6.28-rc8 is outdatd ;)
[19:53] <fta> crimsun, no, only in the last 10 days or so
[19:54] <crimsun> fta: so only after you upgraded to the new X server with 1.6 abi?
[19:55] <crimsun> asac: yeah, <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> seem to have some response time issues
[19:55] <asac> now switched to german mirror ... only one listed as "up-to-date"
[19:55] <asac> 1335 upgraded, 93 newly installed, 6 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[19:55] <asac> Need to get 1346MB of archives.
[19:55] <asac> After this operation, 502MB of additional disk space will be used.
[19:56] <fta> crimsun, i don't remember exactly, i upgrade quite often, but i don't reboot/kill X when i can avoid it so i'm not sure what caused all my troubles
[19:56] <asac> that sounds like an endless bump
[19:56] <asac> why half a gig more space :(
[19:56] <asac> bloatware
[19:56] <fta> crimsun, i now have a second mouse cursor after a while, and shortly after, X crashes
[19:57] <crimsun> fta: yeah, it sounds like you hit the abi bump. try downgrading those packages i mentioned
[19:58] <crimsun> the 1.6 abi X server is extremely unstable for me regardless which Nvidia drivers i test (177.x, 180.x)
[19:59] <fta> E: Version '7.4~5ubuntu5' for 'xserver-xorg' was not found
[19:59] <crimsun> fta: you have to pull from lp
[19:59] <fta> gasp
[19:59] <crimsun> they're already superceded from the archive pool
[20:00] <crimsun> yeah, it was a pita. that's what i was doing the week after uds.
[20:00] <asac> i still have 20min to abort the upgrade ;)
[20:00] <asac> is X busted for ati too?
[20:00] <crimsun> asac: for fglrx? probably.
[20:00] <asac> ati is good enough
[20:00] <asac> fglrx doesnt even work for me in intrepid
[20:00] <asac> no more games :(
[20:00] <fta> asac, read the release notes of alpha 2
[20:01] <crimsun> can't speak for either, actually. i've got awful geforce go hardware that only works with vesa or Nvidia :/
[20:06] <asac> hmmm jaunty/main openoffice.org-writer 1:2.4.1
[20:06] <asac> still no 3?
[20:06] <crimsun> not yet, just in a ppa\
[20:06] <fta> nope, we discussed that during uds
[20:07] <fta> "not stable enough" was the reason invoked
[20:07] <asac> there are outstanding MIRs
[20:07] <asac> too
[20:08] <asac> so wouldnt build i think
[20:08] <asac> at least not if we dont demote ooo for a while
[20:08] <asac> too bad ... mirror slows down
[20:08] <asac> back to 30 minutes download time left
[20:12] <Jazzva> asac: don't feel bad :). I have 2Mbps downlink, and 30 minutes left to finish... at the start there was 676MB of updates.
[20:12] <asac> heh
[20:12] <asac> back to 14min ETA ;)
[20:12] <asac> 48% downloaded
[20:13] <Jazzva> 41% downloaded... see what I'm talking about?
[20:13] <asac> hehe
[20:13] <jcastro> asac: heh I just upgraded yesterday
[20:13] <asac> jcastro: brave ;) ... do you still have X?
[20:13] <jcastro> yeah
[20:14] <jcastro> my desktop has nvidia so all the x stuff is still held back
[20:14] <jcastro> but the laptop went without a hitch
[20:14] <asac> lets hope that all the breakage is worth it and drivers finally get to decent state for ffox/cairo ;)
[20:15] <asac> jcastro: ok ... nv doesnt work for you?
[20:15] <jcastro> I need twinview so I never use nv
[20:20] <Jazzva> I hope that bug with mic jack on inspiron 1525 is fixed in jaunty :)...
[20:27] <Jazzva> crimsun: I wanted to ask you about that... I found the info to change the alsa model, but it didn't help (I forgot the name of the conf file). Also, it seems it was fixed in the kernel at one place, but the jack is still not working. Against which project should I report a bug?
[20:27] <fta> crimsun, i have 36 broken packages now
[20:41] <crimsun> fta: you need to downgrade the xserver-xorg-*, probably
[20:42] <crimsun> fta: i removed all the irrelevant [for my hardware] xserver-xorg-*, so i only have xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-input-evdev, and xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed
[20:43] <crimsun> Jazzva: linux
[20:43] <crimsun> Jazzva: there's an existing bug report IIRC
[20:43] <crimsun> i'm triaging linux [well, the @ubuntu-audio] later this afternoon
[20:43] <crimsun> just spent an hour chasing down a localised change that was breaking gnome-session :/
[20:44] <Jazzva> crimsun: I searched a month ago, there was something similar, but not the same back then... I will report if it still exists in jaunty
[20:44] <Jazzva> (or try to find the bug you mentioned)
[20:44] <crimsun> Jazzva: sure, i will probably give you a patch if it's still reproducible in 2.6.28-4-generic
[20:44] <Jazzva> crimsun, thanks :D
[20:45] <crimsun> now, reboot for me =)
[20:45] <Jazzva> 10-20 packages left to download :)
[20:46] <Jazzva> lilo? we're not using grub anymore?
[20:53] <asac> Jazzva: probably your individual decision at some point ;)
[20:54] <crimsun> (right, grub is the default)
[20:54] <crimsun> ok, suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk [+ resume] both for my hardware in 2.6.28-4-generic
[20:55] <crimsun> so, no current regressions from 2.6.28-3-generic
[20:55] <Jazzva> asac: I never chose lilo :)
[20:55] <crimsun> ok, now back to fixing pulseaudio =)
[20:56] <[reed]> asac: mozilla bug 458612 -- looks like Mozilla says it's an Ubuntu problem
[20:57] <asac> [reed]: thought we already knew that ;)
[20:58] <fta> it's my bug ;)
[20:58] <[reed]> yeah, so fix it :)
[20:59] <asac> fixing seems non-trivial
[20:59] <asac> fta: can you document the current evaluation status somewhere?
[21:04] <asac> hit bug 304417
[21:04] <asac> continued
[21:14] <fta> crimsun, when playing openarena on my laptop, the sound is crappy for the 1st run, then p-a dies. it seems it also triggers an oops: http://paste.ubuntu.com/93897/ and when this happens, it's impossible to restart p-a
[21:15] <asac> fta: thats a wireless stack thing
[21:15] <fta> on my desktop, openarena and p-a are a bad couple too. p-a dies (asserts) quite easily
[21:16] <fta> asac, maybe
[21:16] <fta> let me find a trace when wifi is disabled with the kill switch
[21:17] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/93899/
[21:17] <asac> fta: consider to unload the iwl modules
[21:18] <asac> hmm
[21:18] <Jazzva> hmm, looks like it's done
[21:18] <asac> seems graphics driver related ;)
[21:19] <asac> /build/buildd/linux-2.6.28/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_gem.c
[21:19] <asac> Jazzva: lucky you ;)
[21:19] <asac> Jazzva: mine is still rumbling
[21:19] <asac> tooo many packages ;)
[21:19] <fta> asac, maybe but it's only when playing o-a, and the result is p-a dying
[21:19] <asac> unpacking
[21:20] <Jazzva> heh... just to check that lilo stuff, and then I'm off to reboot
[21:20] <asac> fta: is oa crashing=
[21:20] <asac> ?
[21:20] <fta> sometimes
[21:20] <fta> or freezing
[21:20] <asac> fta: i mean. when pa breaks, does oa crash/freeze in advance?
[21:21] <fta> but it used to work fine, and i'm quite sure it hasn't been updated in a while
[21:21] <Jazzva> reboot
[21:21] <fta> oa continues without sound but freezes on quit
[21:26] <Jazzva> yay. everything's good so far...
[21:26] <asac> anyone runs ext4?
[21:26]  * Jazzva dinner
[21:40] <crimsun> fta: what's at the top of backtrace when pa dies?
[21:45] <fta> crimsun, a few secs before the oops, i see: pulseaudio[6242]: asyncmsgq.c: Assertion 'pa_asyncq_push(a->asyncq, &i, TRUE) == 0' failed at pulsecore/asyncmsgq.c:164, function pa_asyncmsgq_send(). Aborting.
[21:46] <fta> crimsun, something like that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/93909/
[21:46] <crimsun> ok, will look at in a bit
[21:46] <crimsun> so many bug e-mails :/
[21:48] <Jazzva> crimsun, nope... mic jack still not working. I can just hear noise, whether mic is connected or not...
[21:49] <crimsun> Jazzva: go ahead and file a bug affecting linux, and attach the output from http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[21:50] <crimsun> (you'll need to download and execute it as a bash script)
[21:50] <Jazzva> crimsun, thanks, I will...
[22:01] <Jazzva> crimsun, bug 311817
[22:09] <crimsun> Jazzva: are you referring to the mic-in or the actual mic built into the top of the screen?
[22:10] <Jazzva> crimsun: internal microphone is working fine, I don't have the second one built in the top of the screen. I'm referring to the microphone jack, for the external microphone
[22:14] <crimsun> Jazzva: your 1525 isn't a studio 15, is it?
[22:15] <Jazzva> crimsun: I think that studio 15 is 1535, but they might be similar
[22:17] <crimsun> right, i thought the 153x were, but i'm a bit behind on the dell model numbers
[22:19] <Jazzva> crimsun: looking at the studio 15 spec, I would say they're pretty much the same (there is a small difference in CPU). they both say they use "High Definition Audio 2.0".
[22:20] <crimsun> Jazzva: right, unfortunately that description is next to useless
[22:21] <Jazzva> I know...
[22:21] <crimsun> i pretty much have to read the codec dumps themselves, what a pita.
[22:23] <fta> my laptop is also a 1525
[22:25] <crimsun> fta: do you have the same issue with non-functional recording from mic?
[22:25] <crimsun> (not built-in mic [front mic] but mic-in jack)
[22:25] <fta> i don't know, i'm not using the mic
[22:27] <crimsun> man, this sucks. to get you a test fix, i'll have to get you a new snd-hda-intel.ko.
[22:28] <Jazzva> crimsun: I'm willing to help, if I can...
[22:30] <crimsun> Jazzva: you'll need to be running 2.6.28-4-generic
[22:30] <crimsun> ugh, here goes the 100 MB git pull
[22:34] <[reed]> something is very broken on the latest ubuntu kernel
[22:34] <[reed]> it continues to kill both my thinkpads
[22:34] <crimsun> [reed]: on 2.6.28-4.5?
[22:34] <[reed]> I've had to revert to an old kernel
[22:34] <[reed]> no, the latest intrepid one
[22:34] <[reed]> I don't dogfood my OS... I do enough dogfooding with my web browser ;)
[22:36] <fta> crimsun, my chromium git tree is > 2G
[22:36] <fta> 2.5G+
[22:37] <crimsun> fta: 100 MB over a 14.4 kbps dialup is extremely painful
[22:39] <fta> crimsun, last time I used 14.4k was > 15y ago
[22:44] <fta> asac, the statusbar bug in firefox disappeared since i downgraded X
[22:45] <crimsun> my hunch was that symptom was due to the x.org abi mismatch
[22:45] <crimsun> (bug in the Nvidia driver)
[22:46] <fta> i tried the latest nvidia driver too (from the nvidia website)
[22:47] <fta> because at some point last week, all the nvidia drivers in jaunty caused X to crash at startup
[22:51] <crimsun> fta: none of them are compatible with the new x.org server abi
[22:53] <fta> crimsun, that i knew, but i was stuck in a corrupted console so i dropped splash from grub, rebooted and tried the driver from nvidia, and it worked.
[22:54] <crimsun> right, disabling usplash works around the video mode programming bugs, but it'll still crash nondeterministically
[22:54] <crimsun> (well, at least in my experience; ymmv)
[22:56] <Jazzva> great... updated to 2.6.28-4 and wlan is not working :)
[22:57] <crimsun> there's no l-r-m for -4.5 yet
[22:57] <Jazzva> ah...
[22:58] <Jazzva> when are they planned to come out?
[22:59] <crimsun> as soon as they're accepted
[23:00] <crimsun> source is currently in NEW queue due to abi bump and thus, new binary packages
[23:00] <crimsun> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+queue
[23:00] <Jazzva> thanks for the info
[23:09] <crimsun> oh wait, i have linux-source. short circuit!
[23:11] <rzr> asac: hi, do we also support epiphany ? I have a patch to merge for this on flashblock
[23:16] <asac> rzr: how are flashblock and epiphany related?
[23:17] <asac> or do you refer to ephys own flashblock (which it probably has)
[23:17] <rzr> no it said to support mozilla one
[23:17] <rzr> http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/FlashBlock
[23:18] <rzr> I can do this job for jaunty
[23:19] <asac> rzr: hmm try to use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as target application
[23:19] <asac> and install the flashblock extension in /usr/share/xulrunner-addons/extensions
[23:19] <asac> instead of firefox-addons
[23:20]  * rzr 's reading about<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:22] <asac> rzr: use minversion 1.9 and maxversion 1.9.0.*
[23:22] <asac> (if it works well with ffox 3.1 use max 1.9.1.*
[23:22] <asac> )
[23:23] <rzr> what a mess
[23:23] <asac> why?
[23:23] <asac> sounds straight forward ;)
[23:25] <rzr> well too late to work on this ...
[23:25] <rzr> maybe an other (free) time
[23:28] <crimsun> Jazzva: ah crap, i just realized you're on i686
[23:29] <Jazzva> crimsun, can I build the needed module?
[23:29] <crimsun> Jazzva: oh well, instead of giving you the compiled kernel module, i'll give you the diff and walk you through compiling it in #ubuntu+1
[23:29] <Jazzva> crimsun, the channel #ubuntu+1?
[23:30] <Jazzva> crimsun: I'm there, feel free to start whenever you are ready :)
[23:30]  * asac reboot 2.6.28
[23:41] <asac> back
[23:55] <fta> hm, the branding is wrong


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 I don't telegram pics show in irc
[04:19] <wxl> they do
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[04:20] <wxl> huh cool good job @The_LoudSpeaker
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 Let's talk in offtopic about this wxl?
[04:29] <wxl> oh derp
 Btw, any suggestions for the grub theme name? Right now It's just named "custom" on my pc 😅
[04:56] <wxl> ummmm lubuntu-grub-theme? XD
 @wxl [<wxl> ummmm lubuntu-grub-theme? XD], How so creative bhaiya? Teach me also please. XD
 Any other suggestions anyone? Else this one is the only we have got.
[19:02] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker there's no reason to make it any fancier, really
[19:08] <kc2bez> Is the plan to have the same bootloader theme for both EFI and BIOS?^^
[19:09] <wxl> i think that would be nice but i'm not sure it's possible
 Is it not possible to theme the EFI one?
[19:11] <wxl> well look at any flavor and you'll find that one is themed and the other isn't
[19:11] <wxl> there's a reason for this but i have forgotten
 Ok, thanks for the info. Most of my spare machines are old so I usually boot in BIOS mode.
[21:20] <wxl> @HMollerCl could you provide your insight on this issue? https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/19-04-megathread/24/40?u=wxl
 nm-tray
[21:30] <wxl> it's all their fault?
[21:32] <wxl> ok try telnetting to port 515
[21:34] <kc2bez> Wrong channel wxl
[21:35] <wxl> i should get an award for how good i am at this
[21:38] <kc2bez> It's all good, :) there are worse problems to have.
 @wxl [<wxl> it's all their fault?], for nm-tray icon, yes. I mean, it can't hande dark taskbar with light menu (when right click on the icon)
 it generates both icon, for the menu and for the task bar at the same time.
[21:42] <wxl> could we push something upstream to fix it?
 actually netwo|rk-manager does the same, but it takes the background from the panel so all icons are light, nm-tray thakes the background of the menu so all icons are dark.
[21:43] <wxl> hm
[21:43] <wxl> maybe we should aim for a lighter panel color
 or try to make the right click menu dark
[21:48] <wxl> did you already make a task for this?
 @wxl [<wxl> did you already make a task for this?], yes, this one https://phab.lubuntu.me/T48
[21:49] <wxl> ok cool thanks! i appreciate any help you can offer with regards to looks. i think you've a better eye for it
 the problem is that I still don't understan how lxqt theme works
[21:51]  * kc2bez wonders what happened to the bot
[22:04] <wxl> @HMollerCl maybe posting something on the lxqt discourse might help?
 Could be, but I don't know what discourse is
[22:17] <wxl> their forum
[22:17] <wxl> discourse is the software... just like ours!
 Aaa, I've read what they've bee writing on this but I didn't get to fat
 Far
 https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/wiki/Themes
 https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/572
[22:22] <wxl> oh wow
[22:23] <wxl> when you get it figured out, you should put something in the wiki about it.. graphics references and the like


[08:08] <LocutusOfBorg> arraybolt3, debian bug: #1058713 is sponsored
[08:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1058713 in wnpp "ITP: picom-conf -- Configuration editor for Picom" [Wishlist, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1058713
[09:05] <JackFrost> https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/picom-conf_0.17.0-1.html
[16:32] <LocutusOfBorg> arraybolt3, picom-conf is now in sid and noble
[18:29] <tsimonq2> LocutusOfBorg: <3
[18:31] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/picom-conf/0.17.0-1~build1 <3
[18:32] <tsimonq2> @pilot in
[18:32]  * tsimonq2 cracks his knuckles
[18:37] <tsimonq2> kannel .
[18:43] <tsimonq2> sidplay . w ack from Eickmeyer
[18:49] <tsimonq2> ncurses-hexedit . w an opportunity for mkukri to get an upload sponsored to Debian if he'd like
[18:52] <tsimonq2> Allowing ItzSwirlz the opportunity to ack cinnamon-desktop-environment before syncing, he indicated 3-4 hours at most
[18:58] <tsimonq2> cunit .
[18:59] <tsimonq2> (^ Maintainer seems to be sorely inactive, an NMU is probably the Right Thing here too.)
[19:01] <tsimonq2> rbasak: I suspect this is something you may be interested in following up on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/2039873
[19:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2039873 in lxc (Ubuntu) "liblxc-dev was built with LXC_DEVEL=1 in Ubuntu 22.04 and later releases" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[19:21] <tsimonq2> dbus .
[19:21] <tsimonq2> @pilot out
[20:53] <rbasak> tsimonq2: I resubscribed ~ubuntu-sponsors already hoping that the next pilot will be able to help
[22:13] <tsimonq2> rbasak: Not a problem, thanks anyway :)
[22:22] <mkukri> tsimonq2 it looks like the debian bugreport for that also has a patch attached that is similar to mine
[22:23] <mkukri> im wasnt sure if someone else was previously planning on uploading that
[22:29] <tsimonq2> mkukri: Just from the Debian bug report, my impression is that they're waiting for someone to NMU.
[22:29] <tsimonq2> mkukri: I don't think anyone is actively working on it, but I'm willing to take the chance.
[22:29] <tsimonq2> mkukri: (After all, your uploads are technically my responsibility when my key signs them. ;) )
[22:30] <tsimonq2> mkukri: Anyway yeah, I concur, those diffs look really similar. If you ever have the chance to prepare an NMU diff that would be great, if not, totally cool just tell me that.
[22:36] <mkukri> i can do one monday,  or maybe tomorrow.
[22:42] <tsimonq2> Let me know how I can help :)


[01:27] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: d'oh, we made that change last week iirc
[01:27] <bhearsum> our colo move has been such a mess =\
[01:58] <vectory__> i have "http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu" added to my sources.list. dont really know, where i got it from, do you recognize it?
[01:59] <vectory__> just asking to be sure im barking up the right tree
[02:00] <vectory__> as of today the flash plugin is gone from my firefox 11.0 profile (yeah, goo riddance), just after i routinely updated yesterday
[02:01] <vectory__> now im currious about the reason, i suspect it has to do with interfering packages, i would like to know
[02:34] <vectory__> s/11.0/12/
[10:12] <Gyro54> hi! Is there a room for Thunderbird problem on Windows?
[11:54] <Omega> chrisccoulson, micahg and other contributors: Thank you for doing the wonderful work of bringing my two favorite software projects together! :-)
[15:50] <Omega> Does the latest build crash for anyone else?
[21:57] <Unit193> Does there happen to be a way to fix the download manager to a windowed mode, closer to the older one in Aurora/14?


 How are you? Had a nice weekend?
[07:09] <didrocks> busy, but good, and you?
[07:12] <jibel> Hi all
[07:14] <duflu> seb128, yeah busy and doing well.
[07:14] <duflu> Hi jibel
[07:14] <duflu> Back in a while...
[07:14] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks & jibel
[07:14] <oSoMoN> seb128, very good week-end, and busy too
[07:15] <seb128> didrocks, not so busy here, and temperature went down so it was enjoyable :)
[07:17] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:19] <seb128> lut jibel
[08:17]  * medicalwei wondering how to ping vanvugt and I would like to propose a fix to LP#1984147
[08:20] <medicalwei> (which seems to be upstreamable, btw...)
[08:23] <luna__> hey
[08:24] <duflu> medicalwei, I am vanvugt (for historical reasons this is me on IRC)
[08:24] <medicalwei> duflu: Ah. So the fix should be first on Upstream or first on LP?
[08:25] <duflu> medicalwei, propose it to upstream first and wait a day or two for them to find obvious mistakes. But no need to wait for it to land upstream, you can propose a patch to LP after that
[08:26] <duflu> Don't do both at once or else you will waste time fixing two separate locations if upstream find problems
git clone in taipei office from gitlab.gnome.org is slowwwwwww</rant>
[08:27] <duflu> medicalwei, gitlab.gnome is super slow for me today too. It's not just you
[08:28] <duflu> At least it's alive. It goes down far too often
[08:28] <medicalwei> duflu: okay, at least it's making progress xD
[08:29] <medicalwei> duflu: should I also set bug status and assign it to... me?
[08:29] <medicalwei> (on LP i mean)
[08:29] <duflu> medicalwei, yes
[08:50] <luis220413> What would it take to the Desktop Team to agree to own these 5 packages?
[08:51] <luis220413> The MIRs for them are bug 1986592, bug 1987446, bug 1987447, bug 1987448 and bug 1987571.
[08:57] <seb128> luis220413, hey, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/desktop/8 would probably be a better place to have a discussion than IRC
[08:57] <seb128> I personally don't know enough about the package and protocol to reply here/now
[09:56] <luis220413> There are several protocols involved. I also filed a bug to get these packages preinstalled (bug 1987706).
[10:18] <KGB-0> gnome-online-accounts ubuntu/master ddef903 Sebastien Bacher debian/ (7 files in 2 dirs) * https://deb.li/3pNGj
[10:18] <KGB-0> remove 0001-ubuntu-sso-provider.patch, it was added for gnome-software
[10:18] <KGB-0> snap integration but isn't used anymore,
[10:18] <KGB-0> update the packaging accordingly
[10:19] <KGB-0> gnome-online-accounts ubuntu/master 1e9e25d Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * upload to ubuntu * https://deb.li/ijKjR
[10:30] <luis220413> seb128: How can I create a new topic in the Desktop category?
[10:35] <seb128> luis220413, you should have a "new topic" in the top bar, next to bell icon. Unless for some reason discourse restrict posting. Is your account new, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/limiting-brand-new-user-accounts
[10:35] <luis220413> Yes, I created it today.
[10:36] <seb128> ^ suggests you might have to use a bit discourse, like read pages and browse, to be able to contribute
[12:32] <jbicha_> good morning
[12:46] <luis220413> Good morning and thanks for commenting on my MIR bugs?
[12:46] <luis220413> Do you know what it would take for the Desktop team to agree to own NetworkManager-openconnect and its 4 dependencies in universe?
[12:46] <luis220413> *bugs!
[12:55] <jbicha> luis220413: the desktop team is going to have to do more discussion about it. If you can post the request on discourse, that would help
[13:08] <luis220413> jbicha: I can only post it as a reply until I reach trust level 1.
[13:24] <jbicha> I guess you need to spend more time reading posts while logged in to get Level 1
[13:25] <seb128> jbicha, I upgraded a system from J to K and it failed on /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/actions/document-modified-symbolic.svg being included by ghex and gnome-text-editor, just as a FYI
[13:25] <seb128> ghex isn't installed by default so a minor issue
[13:26] <jbicha> I'm guessing it's a side effect of adwaita-icon-theme aggressively dropping "legacy" icons
[13:27] <seb128> :-(
[13:27] <jbicha> it's still an RC bug but I need to check with the upstreams on how they want to handle it
[13:30] <luis220413> I now have trust level 1 and will post my proposal soon.
[13:31] <seb128> luis220413, great
[14:10] <luis220413> jbicha, seb12: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/what-it-would-take-for-the-desktop-team-to-agree-to-own-networkmanager-openconnect-and-its-dependencies/30278
[14:10] <luis220413> *seb128
[14:26] <jbicha> thank you
[14:30] <ogra> heh, you put a whole paragraph into the heading 😛
[14:45] <KGB-0> orca pristine-tar f6b4f74 Samuel Thibault orca_43~beta.orig.tar.xz.delta orca_43~beta.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for orca_43~beta.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/G2W2
[14:45] <KGB-2> orca upstream/beta 5d4cd0c Samuel Thibault * pushed 25 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/yXAj
[14:45] <KGB-2> orca upstream/beta 4eb7d94 Emin Tufan Çetin po/tr.po * Update Turkish translation * https://deb.li/3XFhR
[14:45] <KGB-2> orca upstream/beta 3b5d353 Fushan Wen src/orca/event_manager.py * Merge two ifs to reduce unnecessary condition check * https://deb.li/JFex
[14:45] <KGB-2> orca upstream/beta 1da97cf Nart Tlisha po/ LINGUAS ab.po * Add Abkhazian translation * https://deb.li/3mB2E
[14:45] <KGB-2> orca upstream/beta f977d0d Claude Paroz po/fr.po * Updated French translation * https://deb.li/3Uc0l
[14:45] <KGB-2> orca upstream/beta f53454e Asier Sarasua Garmendia po/eu.po * Update Basque translation * https://deb.li/3qFrN
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[15:42] <KGB-0> orca tags 924c332 Samuel Thibault upstream/43_beta * Upstream version 43~beta * https://deb.li/3ZPcg
[15:44] <lolek> ok, a question, how do I force gnome to reload desktop files? I modified a firefox.desktop but somehow gnome-shell is constantly using some older version. I have only one firefox.desktop in the system, any ideas?
[15:53] <oSoMoN> lolek, where is that file located?
[15:55] <lolek> /usr/share/applications... it seems restarting gnome shell works but I thought there's much better solution
[15:58] <jbicha> lolek: maybe run  update-desktop-database
[16:02] <lolek> The databases in ... could not be updated
[16:02] <lolek> ok..sudo
[16:02] <lolek> will try net time once I modify the desktop file
[16:05] <oSoMoN> I'm pretty sure gnome-shell should be monitoring desktop files under $XDG_DATA_DIRS, maybe Trevinho can confirm?
[16:12] <jbicha> yes, I don't think update-desktop-database should be required
[16:13] <lolek> maybe the timeout is long
[16:13] <lolek> no idea
[16:13] <lolek> restarting gnome-shell of course works but yeah well
[16:13] <lolek> anyway thank you for ideas!
[16:14] <ogra> also /usr/share/applications is not a place you should ever edit files in ... they will be overwritten anyway ...
[16:14] <ogra> (not to mention that firefox in 22.04 does not put a desktop file in there anymore but puts it into the snap specific dir )
[19:24] <KGB-0> gnome-initial-setup signed tags 4edfe06 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/43_beta-0ubuntu1 * gnome-initial-setup Debian release 43~beta-0ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/UKDR


[01:13]  * wolfger_ pokes the channel
[01:15]  * rick_h__ stabs back
[01:25] <wolfger_> hey rick_h__, where's the "report a bug" link on LP? I always have a devil of a time finding it
[01:26] <wolfger_> You would think it would be in plain sight on the bugs.launchpad.net page
[01:32] <rick_h__> wolfger_: it's on the ride side
[01:32] <rick_h__> always in the column on the right
[01:33] <rick_h__> wolfger_: the trick is that bugs.lp.net is just a landing page, you have to submit the bug to a specific project
[01:33] <rick_h__> so always include the /xxxx
[01:33] <rick_h__> so bugs.lp.net/launchpad or bugs.lp.net/sendoff etc
[01:34] <wolfger_> got it. Thanks!
[01:35] <rick_h__> np
[01:39] <wolfger_> Woot. First bug filed in I don't know how long.
[01:39] <wolfger_> Wait.... am I actually happy I just got bit by a bug? :-p
[01:39] <tjagoda> The only bugs I file come from that auto popup which does all the work for me.
[01:39] <snap-l> Evening
[01:39] <wolfger_> tjagoda <-- lazy
[01:40] <tjagoda> I feel undereducated at manually reporting bugs
[01:40] <tjagoda> Like when I used to have to manually pick the package?  Oh god.
[01:47] <wolfger_> so if anybody cares to install python-wxglade and comment on the bug... It segfaults on me.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxglade/+bug/911554
[01:52] <tjagoda> I am very glad I did not participate in alphas before I had cable
[02:12] <wolfger_> lulz -> http://goo.gl/nrT7b
[02:13] <wolfger_> tl;dr "swap is slow, so I'm going to use my RAM as a swap partition"
[02:13] <tjagoda> I know a guy who uses a ramdisk to host a minecraft server.
[02:18] <wolfger_> now that makes sense
[02:26] <jrwren> lol
[03:29] <brousch> snap-l: you geekered me
[03:43] <snap-l> brousch: Eh?
[03:43] <snap-l> Not sure what that means.
[03:44] <snap-l> Actually, using RAM for tmp makes sense
[03:44] <snap-l> but not for swap. That's just asking for trouble.
[03:44] <brousch> the kubuntu CDs you sent are 32bit, but they don't say that anywhere
[03:45] <brousch> not really your fault ;)
[03:45] <brousch> so i have to download 64bit and reinstall
[03:45] <snap-l> I'd assume that anything on CD is 32 bit, since that's the recommended variant.
[03:45] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, I had to download the 64 bit alternate install for my work machine
[03:46] <snap-l> Creating a USB stick via a USB stick is, entertaining.
[03:46] <jrwren> why is 32bit recommended?
[03:46] <snap-l> jrwren: Honestly, I have no idea
[03:46] <snap-l> I think they figure it's backward-compatible, so if someone tries it in their 2006 era machine, it'll just work.
[03:47] <snap-l> instead of giving some cryptic incompatibilitiy message.
[03:47] <brousch> snap-l: so how was the first day?
[03:48] <snap-l> brousch: Had a good lunch, filled out some paperwork, and reinstalled Alternate Ubuntu too many times to try to sort out software RAID.
[03:48] <brousch> heh
[03:48] <snap-l> tomorrow should be more fine-tuning
[03:48] <snap-l> Having to get acclimated to an office again
[03:49] <jjesse__> is that code for you forgot to wear pants to work today?
[03:49] <snap-l> Speaking of which, going to hit the hay.
[03:49] <snap-l> jjesse__: No, fortunately I have pants
[03:49] <snap-l> just haven't worn them in a long while. ;)
[03:49] <snap-l> Hopefully I'll be able to ssh into my home machine, or I'll be rather upset.
[03:52] <jjesse> you figured out your key problem right?
[03:53] <snap-l> jjesse: Yeah, the problem was I created the pub/private key here
[03:53] <snap-l> and not on the destination machine
[03:53] <snap-l> I think it's sorted now
[03:54] <snap-l> I'll find out tomorrow for certain, though. ;)
[03:55] <snap-l> Anywho, g'night, everyone. See you in the morning. :)
[04:07] <jrwren> snap-l: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/2746924098.html
[04:08] <jrwren> snap-l: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/2759268167.html
[04:08] <jrwren> snap-l: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/2759280299.html
[07:26] <wolfger_> jrwren: 32-bit is recommended because it works better. Case in point: my wifi now works flawlessly (after reformatting a fubar 64-bit install and putting 32-bit in)
[12:08] <Wolfger> Good morning party people
[12:19] <snap-l> jrwren: The only thing in that lot that I'd be interested in is the Percom Happy Drive for the Atari. ;)
[12:20] <snap-l> Bah, that's no the Happy drive. but still...
[12:26] <rick_h__>  morning
[12:27] <snap-l> Morning
[12:34] <Wolfger> Happy Drive?
[12:35] <Wolfger> Do you have to bend your 5.25" floppy to get it inserted into the smiley-face slot?
[13:00] <nullspace> morning all
[13:00] <rick_h__> party party
[13:00] <snap-l> Wolfger: No, not really. ;)
[13:00] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Computers
[13:15] <tjagoda> howdy
[13:16] <rick_h__> tjagoda: multiple days in a row?
[13:25] <tjagoda> Consider it a belated Christmas present!
[13:37] <snap-l> huzzah!
[13:45] <Wolfger> His Blackberry must be on the fritz ;-)
[13:46] <rick_h__> oh man, we owe tjagoda so much blackberry fun
[13:46] <snap-l> Speaking of BB, apparently the Playbook is on clearance.
[13:46] <snap-l> $400 off
[13:46] <rick_h__> back taxes so to say
[13:46] <snap-l> That almost puts it within give-a-damn range.
[13:49] <nullspace> you can apperently run some android apps on it
[13:49] <tjagoda> Not yet you cant
[13:49] <tjagoda> =(
[13:49] <nullspace> but seeing as it lacks an SD reader it doesn't exist to me
[13:49] <tjagoda> That patch has been in limbo for like 8000 years
[13:49] <nullspace> tjagoda: if you root it I heard you could
[13:49] <Wolfger> Somebody still uses SD?
[13:50] <tjagoda> I actually love the Blackberry OS on it
[13:50] <nullspace> yeah my SLR does
[13:50] <tjagoda> what it does, it does very well
[13:50] <Wolfger> nullspace: that's what USB cables are for...
[13:50] <tjagoda> they've just been really really slow at patching more features into it
[13:51] <nullspace> Wolfger: I have this image of your house looking like the borg took it over
[13:51] <nullspace> I hates cables and dongles
[13:51] <snap-l> nullspace: I hate latency. :)
[13:52] <snap-l> That said, if I can make something wireless without too much trouble, I will
[13:52] <snap-l> (too much trouble == mice, computers in other rooms with no obvious drops, etc)
[13:52] <nullspace> not sure how taking a sd card out of a slr and dropping it into a tablet has anything to latency
[13:52] <Wolfger> nullspace: I try to get everything on one cable. Micro-USB. So far my work cell, personal cell, and Kindle all use it. And I rarely need more than one device plugged in at a time.
[13:52] <Wolfger> when I get a new camera, I'll look for a camera that takes micro USB too.
[13:53] <tjagoda> All my blackberry stuff uses Mini USB
[13:53] <brousch> i just dropbox things to my phone and nookcolor
[13:53] <snap-l> nullspace: Um, why would you want to take photos from a SLR and put them in a tablet?
[13:53] <tjagoda> I live on Mini USB
[13:53] <Wolfger> One cable to rule them all, one cable to bind them
[13:53] <nullspace> not sure why anyone would want to plug their camera into their laptop
[13:53] <snap-l> nullspace: Because it's their primary machine? :)
[13:54] <snap-l> not everyone lives on beige boxes
[13:54] <tjagoda> the planet revolves around my lap/desktop
[13:54] <nullspace> snap-l: to see if I need to retake them, the lcd on a slr is tiny and someit's hard to tell if it's in focus
[13:54] <snap-l> or some painted version thereof.
[13:54] <nullspace> snap-l: take the card out of the camera, saves battery
[13:54] <snap-l> nullspace: I'd trust a laptop screen over a tablet screen
[13:54] <nullspace> I'm poor and
[13:54] <nullspace> I still have a 5lb laptop
[13:55] <brousch> how about one of those eyefi things?
[13:55] <Wolfger> snap-l: even a tablet with Retina (R) Display? ;-)
[13:55] <rick_h__> they still make mini usb?
[13:55] <snap-l> Ye gads, that's hardly ideal. :)
[13:55] <tjagoda> I want to punch people in the face here when they complain about the weight of their 17 inch laptops
[13:55] <tjagoda> NO CRAP DUDE
[13:55] <nullspace> I trust a RAID 5 over a single drive but I'm not carrying one around
[13:55] <snap-l> Wolfger: Especially a tablet with retina display.
[13:56] <nullspace> snap-l: you have your ideals and I have mine
[13:56] <snap-l> mine are better. :)
[13:56] <nullspace> also there is no built in sd port in my laptop
[13:56] <snap-l> nullspace: Ouch, what monstrosity are you carrying?
[13:57] <nullspace> 1024x768 vs 1440x900 not really that big of a diff there
[13:57] <snap-l> Even my lowly Thinkpad X120E has a SD slot
[13:57] <nullspace> snap-l: yeah I have a mortage to pay so I still have my t61
[13:58] <nullspace> a laptop upgrade is likely not going to happen even if this dies
[13:58] <snap-l> I could loan you a Sandisk SD USB reader.
[13:58] <snap-l> They're pretty handy, IMHO
[13:58] <nullspace> I have usb SD readers
[13:58] <nullspace> it's just another thing to carry
[13:59] <snap-l> Yeah, I guess.
[13:59] <tjagoda> I just carry a mobile darkroom with me when I need to take pictures.
[14:00] <nullspace> tjagoda: still using film eh?
[14:01] <rick_h__> http://t.co/qN3XS9k7www.youtube.com/watch?v=ginQNMiRu2w is really cool
[14:01] <rick_h__> <3 the music part since I'm a Zimmer fan and have the soundtrack
[14:01] <nullspace> what's this video of?
[14:02] <rick_h__> the creator of inception about the movie @Google
[14:04] <tjagoda> I just spent $600 on college textbooks.
[14:05] <tjagoda> =(
[14:05] <rick_h__> ouch, I remember those days
[14:05] <Wolfger> ugh
[14:05] <brousch> tjagoda: what are you studying?
[14:06] <tjagoda> Four classes
[14:06] <snap-l> tjagoda: Ouch.
[14:06] <tjagoda> Its the semester of hell
[14:07] <tjagoda> Java programming, Calculus for Business Applications, Management & Leadership, and Organizational Psychology
[14:07] <tjagoda> I dread the calculus.
[14:07] <snap-l> I had no end of troubl ewith Calculus. Have you taken Physics?
[14:08] <rick_h__> calc wasn't bad, calc 2 threw me for a bit though
[14:08] <snap-l> yeah, I squeaked by in Calc 2
[14:08] <Wolfger> calc sucked
[14:09] <Wolfger> but when I took Technical Calculus, I think I got a B+ or an A...
[14:17] <tjagoda> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.
[14:23] <nullspace> nice, I think I've manged to totally hose my audio
[14:24] <nullspace> fing pulse audio
[14:30] <tjagoda> My audio likes to crackle in ubuntu.
[14:30] <tjagoda> It doesn't wake up from powersave correctly.
[14:37] <nullspace> I thought you had a system76
[14:39] <brousch> my audio is perfect on this latitude d630
[14:40] <tjagoda> Even on the system76 it sometimes happens
[14:42] <nullspace> so who is running 12.04 beta?
[14:42] <nullspace> I'm disenchanted with 11.10
[14:43] <jcastro> me
[14:43] <jcastro> but it's not much different from 11.10
[14:44] <brousch> 11.10 r0x
[14:45] <brousch> kubuntu
[14:45] <brousch> except for the crazy ram usage
[14:45] <tjagoda> Nobody, because 12.04 beta doesn't exist ;D
[14:45] <tjagoda> Alpha 1 ftw
[14:46] <tjagoda> But yeah, 11.10 is not happytimes
[14:46] <tjagoda> Hard locks my system at random intervals.
[14:47] <nullspace> I'm running xfce on the main box, and gnome/unity on the lappy. I've given unity a second chance and I am not a fan
[14:47] <tjagoda> I want to rewind to gnome 2.2
[14:48] <tjagoda> Not so much a fan of this unified user interface trend
[14:48] <nullspace> nah xfce with nautilius
[14:48] <jcastro> hah
[14:48] <tjagoda> Gnome 2.2 made sense to me because of my years of errant conditioning
[14:50] <brousch> i set up my kde panels just like gnome 2. it's a beautiful thing
[14:50] <tjagoda> Although unity seems like its improving, I'll give it that
[14:50] <nullspace> though I am intriuged by the work on features with pulse audio that were removed in 11.10
[14:50] <tjagoda> Definitely better than the terror that is Gnome 3
[14:51] <tjagoda> I just miss my top panel with always there buttons and the old school windows style trays
[14:51] <brousch> my problem with xfce is that it would not suspend and coming out of hibernate took like 5 minutes
[14:51] <tjagoda> This is probably where I shout get off my lawn
[14:53] <tjagoda> I hate you brousch.
[14:53] <tjagoda> Looking at KDE.
[14:53] <brousch> why for?
[14:54] <tjagoda> Do you have any idea how long I've maintained an anti-KDE diplomatic dispute with Wolfger?! =P
[14:55] <nullspace> jcastro: any idea if there are going to bring back the pulse audio remote server feature?
[14:55] <nullspace> I know it was horrible but curious if they see any hope
[14:55] <jcastro> what's the remote server feature?
[14:55] <brousch> tjagoda: i also used to consider it a jumbled mess
[14:55] <nullspace> basically one machine could pipe audio to another machine
[14:55] <jcastro> oh
[14:56] <jcastro> that's there
[14:56] <jcastro> are you sure you're not missing a package?
[14:56] <jcastro> I just set that up the other day
[14:56] <nullspace> really?
[14:56] <jcastro> yeah
[14:56] <nullspace> what doc did you follow?
[14:56] <jcastro> is the paprefs installed
[14:56] <jcastro> but greyed out?
[14:56] <nullspace> yeah
[14:56] <jcastro> oh dude
[14:56] <jcastro> one sec
[14:56] <jcastro> I just found out why
[14:57] <brousch> tjagoda: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot10.png
[14:57] <nullspace> though I made some changes to un grey out the features
[14:57] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/paprefs/+bug/829051
[14:57] <jcastro> it's a  symlink
[14:58] <nullspace> yeah I did that
[14:58] <jcastro> it was fixed
[14:58] <jcastro> and then broke again
[14:58] <jcastro> and then no body changed the bug back to "it's broken"
[14:58] <jcastro> #24 is what worked for me
[14:58] <tjagoda> brousch: that is beauty
[14:59] <nullspace> but I can't install padevchooser
[14:59] <tjagoda> I like the bottom panel.
[14:59] <tjagoda> A bottom panel like that is what I miss most from unity.
[15:00] <nullspace> how am I suppose to select a sound server
[15:01] <tjagoda> brousch: what KDE version is that?
[15:01] <jcastro> in the sound settings
[15:01] <jcastro> the server just shows up as an output device.
[15:01] <brousch> tjagoda: whatever is in 11.10. i spent about 30 mins adding panels and moving stuff where it should be
[15:02] <tjagoda> I wonder if it will hardlock and crash less on the kubuntu side of the pond.
[15:03] <nullspace> jcastro: will it only work in 12.04 ?
[15:03] <jcastro> I tested it in 12.04 but it's the same as in 11.10
[15:03] <jcastro> that dropdown has been there for like 2 years
[15:03] <nullspace> hmm nothing popping up on the output
[15:04] <jcastro> ping me later and I'll bring my laptop out
[15:04] <jcastro> gotta get this stuff finished today
[15:09] <brousch> tjagoda: i have had one crash in the last two or three weeks i've been running this. my big problem is that i keep running out of ram despite having 4GB. firefox and chrome seem to use more ram under kde.
[15:11] <tjagoda> I think I have 6GB in the lappy at home
[15:12] <tjagoda> I like that swtiching between desktop environments is as (theoretically) simple as apt-get
[15:16] <brousch> i currently have unity, gnome shell, kubuntu, and xubuntu on here
[15:17] <Wolfger> tjagoda: welcome to the K side :-)
[15:18] <Wolfger> brousch: You should make your KDE config accessible. I like your setup.
[15:19] <brousch> how do i do that?
[15:20] <tjagoda> You have to use force lightning, and gain dark side points
[15:20] <tjagoda> =(
[15:20] <brousch> is that some game reference?
[15:20] <Wolfger> brousch: I dunno. I was hoping you'd know
[15:21] <brousch> :P
[15:21] <Wolfger> Maybe I'll look around in ~/.kde tonight and see if I can figure out what file you need to send me :-)
[15:30] <nullspace> I got pax11publish to push audio to the server
[15:32] <Wolfger> Huh... downvoting on AskUbuntu decreases your own reputation?
[15:35] <snap-l> It can
[15:38] <Wolfger> I kinda like that, actually. Make people think before they bash.
[15:49] <nullspace> sounds like it's recompressing to audio and lowering the bitrate...gah
[15:51] <krondor> brousch:  makes sense that chrome and FF would use more ram, GTK libraries.
[15:57] <brousch> but i have pidgin, chrome, and FF running. wouldn't they share libraries?
[16:03] <krondor> they should share, but do you see anything odd in FF when you do about:memory ?
[16:04] <brousch> it is all odd since i have never looked at it
[16:05] <brousch> vsize is 1.4GB
[16:06] <krondor> what's resident?
[16:07] <krondor> vsize includes shared memory maps
[16:07] <krondor> resident is what only FF is using
[16:08] <brousch> 366MB
[16:08] <brousch> i have half a dozen pages open
[16:09] <krondor> doesn't sound bad, I'm at 450MB with 15 tabs in Unity at the moment.
[16:10] <krondor> chrome://memory-redirect will give you similar details
[16:11] <krondor> You'll want to note the Memory: Private column.
[16:12] <brousch> 862MB
[16:12] <brousch> geez, gmail is using 212MB by itself
[16:12] <brousch> google reader 172
[16:14] <tjagoda> brousch: Opinions on new gmail interface?
[16:14] <brousch> i don't mind it in compact mode
[16:17] <krondor> yeah some websites are heavier hitters than others by far
[16:17] <krondor> I kind of like the new gmail interface, but only in compact mode.. too much whitespace otherwise
[16:25] <snap-l> What's the current wisdom for setting up dual monitors for nvidia cards?
[16:25] <snap-l> ie: do I save an xorg.conf file or not?
[16:25] <rick_h__> don't they have a fancy app for that?
[16:27] <krondor> nvidia-settings apps
[16:28] <krondor> I usually end up hand editing because my laptop gpu sucks and is super picky on docking/undocking with dual monitor.
[16:30] <snap-l> They do, but if I save the xorg.conf file, it gets pissy with me.
[16:34] <Wolfger> New Gmail is larger than old Gmail, even in "compact mode". Too much wasted space.
[16:37] <tjagoda> agree
[16:41] <tjagoda> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/246826/as_2012_dawns_mint_leads_the_list_of_top_linux_distros.html
[16:41] <tjagoda> Didn't know Mint has passed up Ubuntu in the top distrowatch
[16:41] <tjagoda> ...who do we have to kill?
[16:42] <rick_h__> tjagoda: heh, so it was found that it was scripted
[16:42] <rick_h__> I believe
[16:42] <rick_h__> it's purely based on hits to the page and that's easy to automate
[16:42] <tjagoda> ahhhh
[16:42] <rick_h__> not that I'm biased or anything :)
[16:46]  * Wolfger plots to script up a Gentoo victory
[16:48] <tjagoda> I plan to make a blank page the top linux distro.
[16:48] <tjagoda> =P
[16:50] <widox_> krondor: do you have an automated way to switch monitor configs when docking/undocking?
[16:50] <widox_> I currently use the nvidia tool, but I hvae to re-do everything I un/dock
[16:50] <widox_> evertime*
[16:56] <nullspace> widox: any luck with xrandr?
[16:58] <widox> nullspace: negative, doesn't want to work with nvidia
[16:58] <nullspace> sucks
[16:59] <tjagoda> I think krondor said he just manually edits files
[17:09] <snap-l> gah, having trouble with Google Chrome's launcher.
[17:29] <rick_h__> snap-l: chrome's launcher?
[17:29] <snap-l> Unity
[17:30] <snap-l> Doesn't seem to want to fire up Chrome
[17:30] <rick_h__> oh
[17:32] <Wolfger> does it launch from cli ok?
[17:33] <snap-l> Yeah, it's fine otherwise.
[17:36] <Wolfger> Diagnosis: Unity sucks. :-)
[17:36] <Wolfger> or possibly you just need to fix the properties on the launcher
[17:37] <snap-l> Yeah, it's possible.
[17:37] <Wolfger> Solution: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[17:37] <snap-l> sudo apt-get autoremove wolfger && sudo apt-get install syncophant
[17:45] <Wolfger> sudo apt-get purge work-day && sudo apt-get install nap-time
[17:48] <snap-l> works for me.
[17:49] <snap-l> I wish there was a cheat code for unlimited wealth like The Sims. :)
[17:49] <Wolfger> ++
[17:50] <Wolfger> was just discussing winning lotto tickets with a buddy of mine who works at Warren Truck. We both agreed that telling anybody you won is just a bad idea...
[17:50] <Wolfger> I said "all anybody will know is that I no longer work for Chrysler. I'll be a freelance programmer, or maybe open a brewpub."
[17:51] <Wolfger> and of course by "freelance programmer", I really mean "unemployed and tinkering on FOSS projects"
[17:54] <rick_h__> crazy cool http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/938
[17:55] <snap-l> Very nice
[17:55] <snap-l> I hope this is a first in a very long line of exceedingly well-tested releases.
[17:56] <rick_h__> http://www.singleservecoffee.com/archives/039337.php kind of cool
[17:56] <rick_h__> I need to get some for me, the wife is using them all the time
[17:57] <krondor> widox:  nope unfortuantely
[17:58]  * krondor can't type
[18:01] <Wolfger> Good stuff from Shuttleworth. Of course, when he talks about quality like that, it just seems so obvious that I can only think "why hasn't it always been like this?"
[18:01] <Wolfger> The weather report is a nifty idea... https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/
[18:01] <snap-l> Wolfger: Well, likely because the tools finally matured
[18:03] <Wolfger> coffee joulies? Hmm... not sure about that idea.
[18:04] <rick_h__> Wolfger: you ever setup a CI environment and write tests for all your code?
[18:04] <rick_h__> and then do it for a ton of projects? that's why it's not been done before
[18:05] <jcastro> rick_h__: I got a fitbit
[18:05] <jcastro> get one
[18:05] <jcastro> I need a "stop being fat jorge" buddy
[18:05] <rick_h__> jcastro: yea? I was looking at them but wasn't sure on the linux story
[18:05] <rick_h__> I wanted to get some sort of gps/heart rate thingy for workouts
[18:06] <rick_h__> jcastro: they don't work wireless right?
[18:06] <Wolfger> rick_h__: Nope, I haven't. I'm just saying, the way Shuttleworth talks about it, it sounds like a no-brainer. I'm sure it's much more difficult to do than he makes it sound.
[18:06] <jcastro> Wolfger: it's never been like that because no one has done it before to the scale we are
[18:06] <jcastro> rick_h__: it does, to the wireless base
[18:06] <jcastro> rick_h__: only gotcha is win/osx for the base, but jono's in contact with them and they say they're working on the linux support
[18:07] <jcastro> Wolfger: and it's also brutally expensive
[18:07] <rick_h__> yea, I don't have anything non-linux these days
[18:07] <rick_h__> jcastro: but will watch eagerly for some way to get the data off in linux
[18:08] <jcastro> nod
[18:08] <jcastro> they have an API and stuff
[18:08] <rick_h__> nice, yea. I need something
[18:08] <jcastro> I am going to mail them and see if they would even just provide the info we need
[18:08] <jcastro> and hell, we can ask someone to write the driver
[18:09] <snap-l> jcastro: If they get Linux support, I'll gladly get one
[18:09] <snap-l> I need some motivation to get rid of my Buddah belly.
[18:12] <nullspace> the threat of pain seems to work for most
[18:12] <snap-l> Well, yes, that is a motivation
[18:13] <Wolfger> :-)
[18:13] <Wolfger> I own that t-shirt...
[18:13] <Wolfger> (dude being chased by T-Rex, caption: "EXERCISE: Some motivation required"
[18:37] <Wolfger> fitbit costs $100? It looks like a glorified pedometer...
[18:38] <rick_h__> Wolfger: with internet upload and pretty charts :)
[18:39] <nullspace> bah I'm sure my phone has a app the does the same thing
[18:40] <rick_h__> and did you phone cost > $100?
[18:40] <nullspace> it's already bought
[18:41] <nullspace> oh hey free fitbit app
[18:48] <Wolfger> The 80's have ruined my brain. Here we are in 2012, and still every time somebody says something about "pushing it", I get Salt'n'Peppa singing in my head.
[19:00] <Wolfger> snap-l: http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/04/the-black-keys-nickelback-helping-to-kill-rock/?hpt=hp_bn4
[19:12] <nullspace> nice
[19:19] <krondor> cleaning my home office yesterday, I think I found 2 full CD stacks of burned linux isos.  Ubuntu 5.10, RedHat 7, ugh.
[19:19] <krondor> reminds me I should install from usb key more often (though in earlier days that wasn't so simple)
[19:19] <rick_h__> usb sticks ftw
[19:28] <nullspace> krondor: iodd ftw
[19:33] <krondor> nullspace, iodd looks neat.  Hadn't seen this.
[19:35] <nullspace> there is a member of i3 or former member that is a regional sales distributor
[19:36] <nullspace> you can skip on shipping costs
[19:36] <nullspace> I think it's melstav
[19:43] <tjagoda> woot
[19:43] <tjagoda> my Oreilly loot
[19:52] <Wolfger> didn't you buy it yesterday?
[19:53] <tjagoda> Yes
[19:53] <Wolfger> Why did it take so long to receive e-books?
[19:53] <Wolfger> Don't tell me you're a tree murderer...
[19:53] <Wolfger> ;-)
[19:55] <tjagoda> I murder trees for Oreilly
[19:55] <tjagoda> Hate tech ebooks
[20:03] <snap-l> You just haven't found the right ebook reader. :)
[20:04] <rick_h__> DX!
[20:05] <rick_h__> spent time reading my social network data book in pdf form on there last night
[20:06] <tjagoda> might buy the kindle for its eInk display
[20:06] <tjagoda> but I have numerous other things I would rather spend money on at present
[20:06] <tjagoda> What I hate passionately however is the retarded BN Nook PC program for BN College Textbooks
[20:06] <tjagoda> eTextbooks*
[20:07] <tjagoda> omg so much DRM
[20:07] <tjagoda> Lost access to my course books for 4 days in a Barnes and Noble server outage
[20:07] <tjagoda> So much nerd rage
[20:14] <snap-l> tjagoda: Yeah, frankly it's not worth it
[20:14] <snap-l> Textbooks = hardcopy
[20:15] <snap-l> at least you can sell them back for beer money when you're through
[20:15] <snap-l> and frankly, most text books are shit.
[20:16] <tjagoda> yep
[20:19] <tjagoda> afkhome
[20:57] <krondor> gmail compact script to improve whitespace in the new theme (per the scrollback) http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/117234


[09:57] <ShR3K> Hi ! What is the name of the view which display running apps after right edge swipe gesture ?
[10:02] <tsdgeos> ShR3K: Spread
[10:04] <tsdgeos> cimi: can you do https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/stabilize_test_all_widgets_height/+merge/294377 ?
[10:04] <ShR3K> tsdgeos : Thanks
[10:04] <cimi> tsdgeos, sure
[11:04] <tsdgeos> Saviq: since the silos triple build now, should we adapt the CI?
[11:18] <Saviq> tsdgeos, right, yes, we should
[11:18] <Saviq> but that will mean a lot of red right now ;)
[11:19] <Saviq> still, doing
[11:19] <tsdgeos> oka
[12:32] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i'm going to unassign me and you to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1535798 so it closes in 60 days since noone seems to care about retesting/giving a case in which it fails
[12:33] <tsdgeos> actually just unassigning me aws enough
[12:33] <tsdgeos> cool
[13:24] <zzarr> hello!
[13:25] <zzarr> is there a way to change what sound output libertine uses? (it's not the same as Mir/Unity8)
[13:27] <Saviq> bregma, any idea ↑?
[13:28] <cimi> tsdgeos, https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/test-0-autopkgtest/label=amd64,release=vivid+overlay,testname=qmluitests.sh/808/ ?
[13:28] <tsdgeos> cimi: yeah flaky test
[13:28] <tsdgeos> can't be related
[13:28] <tsdgeos> didn't touch the spread at all
[13:29] <cimi> sorry wrong copy paste :)
[13:30] <cimi> tsdgeos, btw can we make it more stable with your new branch to stabilise tests?
[13:30] <davmor2> tsdgeos: that looks like my bug I'll check for you after but I thought I had provided people with tracks already
[13:30] <tsdgeos> cimi: no idea, haven't looked at it
[13:30] <tsdgeos> davmor2: maybe it's fixed in one of the 150 branches we have yet to land
[13:31] <mterry> Saviq, happy Monday!  :)  So silo 58, is it still blocked on an uninstallability issue?
[13:31] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, we're getting there, though
[13:31] <mterry> k
[14:26] <ShR3K> How can I make package for armhf from my desktop environment ? I'd like to test on my Aquaris M10
[14:28] <Saviq> ShR3K, use the Ubuntu SDK, it will cross-build packages for you
[16:24] <mterry> Is the problem with cmake not finding compiler ABI info on yakkety known yet?
[16:24] <mterry> and/or am I hitting a unique-to-me issue maybe?
[16:26] <mterry> I must be, we compile on yakkety in buildd...
[16:27] <mterry> aha.  we don't play with ccache well apparently
[17:30] <bschaefer> greyback, hello, so to talk about maliit osk window resizing
[17:30] <bschaefer> err moving rather
[17:31] <bschaefer> now ... this will be a huge issue for gtk apps, but even when i tried a qt in app in xmir it didnt move the window (not sure how that informations gets sent to qt)
[17:31] <bschaefer> i assumes since its on X11 it never gets there from unity8 unless some sort of dbus stuff?
[17:31]  * bschaefer should have remember earlier and assumes you're off :)
[17:32] <greyback> bschaefer: I'm still around
[17:33] <greyback> bschaefer: there is a side-channel which communicates between shell and qtubuntu to tell it the OSK size
[17:33] <greyback> that doesn't existin xmir
[17:33] <bschaefer> o ok soo my guess is the qt apps on xmir doesnt use the qtubuntu platform
[17:33] <bschaefer> soo that'll be an issue
[17:33] <bschaefer> yeah
[17:33] <greyback> right
[17:33] <greyback> qtubuntu allows Qt apps run on Mir
[17:33] <bschaefer> nor can that be solved... sooo we'll need a separate handling method :(
[17:34] <greyback> well it /could/ - but that's a platform specific solution, and GTK won't be happy then
[17:34] <bschaefer> yup
[17:34] <bschaefer> which is a lot of the apps hmm
[17:34] <bschaefer> greyback, the only other way i've thought of is to manually resize the windows... or rather ask them to resize
[17:34] <bschaefer> if ... the other way doesnt work
[17:34] <bschaefer> but that seems harsh
[17:35] <greyback> bschaefer: have you talked to some GTK people? In case they're aware of a nice thing they cna do?
[17:35] <bschaefer> greyback, i have not!
[17:35]  * bschaefer adds that to the list to track down
[17:35] <bschaefer> would be nice if they did support something like that directly
[17:36] <greyback> bschaefer: because resizing a window isn't always guaranteed to work. Some windows have a minimum size
[17:36] <bschaefer> yup, hence why it would be a suggestion
[17:36] <bschaefer> and wont always work but if it would work anyway, not sure how it would have worked anyway :)
[17:36] <greyback> how about could te toolkit inform us of the geometry of the focused text box, then shell could move the surface to never occlude the text box?
[17:36] <bschaefer> err if it wouldnt have worked /me generates confusing sentences
[17:37] <bschaefer> greyback, well im hoping thats ... maliit would know this
[17:37] <bschaefer> but
[17:37] <bschaefer> dnag
[17:37] <bschaefer> i know the toolkit tells maliit where to draw
[17:37] <bschaefer> err
[17:37] <bschaefer> preedit lines at lease
[17:37] <bschaefer> for the text
[17:37]  * bschaefer double checks this
[17:39] <bschaefer> greyback, hmm actually dont think so but there *seems* to be a dbus interface to change to position of the maliit keyboard
[17:39] <greyback> bschaefer: also, has not an OSK been a thing people can enable for accessibility?
[17:39] <bschaefer> soo i might have to figure out... how to do this per input context
[17:39] <bschaefer> qt/gtk
[17:40] <bschaefer> greyback, err usually you can enable them?
[17:40] <bschaefer> for U7 you can at lease
[17:40] <greyback> bschaefer: caution that that is an X11 dbus thing
[17:40]  * bschaefer might have mis understood that question
[17:40] <greyback> be wary that Mir may not let maliit do what X11 did
[17:40] <bschaefer> greyback, o very true
[17:40] <bschaefer> ive not tested out this function and if it works on mir
[17:41] <greyback> bschaefer: well I know it can be enabled, but surely then it would have the same consequences that you're looking at now - and possibly some solutions
[17:41] <bschaefer> that would be a good first step since we slightly depend on it :)
[17:41] <bschaefer> greyback, well i would assume the desktop just doesnt do that sort of thing
[17:41] <bschaefer> but yeah i should
[17:41] <bschaefer> look into how the desktop handles it
[17:41] <greyback> bschaefer: plz have a look, just in case
[17:41] <bschaefer> o yeah
[17:41] <bschaefer> i need to
[17:41]  * bschaefer adds it to the list
[17:41] <greyback> odds are, there's nothing
[17:41] <greyback> but just in case
[17:42] <bschaefer> greyback, we could also ... set the osk as part of the ...
[17:42] <bschaefer> U8 interface
[17:42] <bschaefer> just like the panel?
[17:42] <bschaefer> that would be resizing though
[17:42] <bschaefer> (same idea i suppose)
[17:42] <greyback> bschaefer: I'd rather not. Later on there could be 3rd party keyboards
[17:42] <bschaefer> greyback, very true
[17:42] <bschaefer> greyback, cool you've given some things to dig around thanks!
[17:43] <greyback> bschaefer: we can let keyboard draw anywhere it wants on screen
[17:43] <bschaefer> yeah
[17:43] <greyback> I wonder what Windows10 does
[17:44] <bschaefer> i can take a look my brother has win10 on his desktop
[17:44] <bschaefer> greyback, i think ... win before has done
[17:44]  * bschaefer cant remember :)
[17:44] <greyback> bschaefer: would you please write up your research in a doc, so people can read and contribute?
[17:45] <bschaefer> greyback, yup! Quickly checking Win7
[17:45] <bschaefer> its just a normal window
[17:45] <bschaefer> if you move it over a text box
[17:45] <bschaefer> you just can draw on it
[17:45] <bschaefer> err see it*
[17:45] <greyback> so it occludes?
[17:45] <bschaefer> you cant see the text box* and it still allows it no
[17:45] <bschaefer> no
[17:45]  * bschaefer cant speak atm
[17:45] <bschaefer> greyback, its just a normal window always on top
[17:45] <greyback> ok, so it relies on user to reposition OSK surface to not occlude
[17:46] <bschaefer> yes, thats one thing that maliit needs
[17:46] <bschaefer> if you can move it around your self
[17:46] <bschaefer> then this solves that as well
[17:46] <greyback> bschaefer: I think windows7 is too old, win8 onwards has a very different OSK
[17:46] <greyback> I've got Win9/10 on a machine, I can try that at home
[17:47] <bschaefer> greyback, cool yeah i can try it as well i a bit
[17:47] <greyback> I think we can do better than "leave it to the user to fix it" :)
[17:47] <bschaefer> very true :)
[17:49] <greyback> bschaefer: the needs of a typical user OSK may differ significantly to the needs of an Accessibility keyboard - would be good to know if that the case or not
[17:49] <bschaefer> o very true i look through the options but didnt see any different placement options
[17:55]  * bschaefer wonders what would be the best solution really...
[17:56] <bschaefer> if the user moves an OSK over an input area...
[17:56] <bschaefer> thats just bad on them, but if it maps over one thats not good and *what* would ideally happen?
[17:56] <bschaefer> ideally, you can see the keyboard to click on, and you can clearly see the input area...
[17:56] <bschaefer> sooo something has to move
[17:57] <bschaefer> but what about something like gedit?
[17:57] <bschaefer> where the entire window is a input area :(
[18:24] <greyback> bschaefer: another thing I fear we'll be missing - how do you unfocus the text entry box?
[18:24] <bschaefer> greyback, im not sure how it currently works :)... i assume anytime you click away from it?
[18:24] <greyback> say you're editing a form, with a bunch of textboxes. When you tap one box, OSK slides up. But when you're done, what do you tap on to unfocus it?
[18:25] <bschaefer> hmm
[18:25] <greyback> bschaefer: user can't really unfocus, only move focus to something else
[18:25] <bschaefer> maybe a button on the osk?
[18:25] <bschaefer> you can slide the osk down
[18:25] <bschaefer> to hide it but theres no way to ... *unfocus* it
[18:25] <bschaefer> if a box is selected
[18:25] <greyback> and then,  do we know user tapped another text box to bring up osk again?
[18:25] <bschaefer> yeah thats how it currenlty works
[18:25] <bschaefer> annoyingly
[18:26] <bschaefer> as if you have the osk open
[18:26] <bschaefer> slide it down to hide
[18:26] <bschaefer> then click on a different input area
[18:26] <bschaefer> it comes back up
[18:26] <bschaefer> (actually IIRC clicking back on the same input area will cause it to re-open)
[18:27] <greyback> ok, so at least osk won't stay hidden if user wants to summon it
[18:27] <bschaefer> right, i havnt had that issue
[18:27] <greyback> android does have a hide-osk button on the osk
[18:27] <greyback> so we might need that too
[18:27] <bschaefer> yeah i agree
[18:27] <bschaefer> as sliding it down... makes sense but not always easy to figure out
[18:32] <dandrader|afk> fwiw, OSK on my android phone doesn't have a hide button
[18:33] <dandrader|afk> I have to press the phone's back soft-button
[18:34] <bschaefer> good to know maybe different android versions?
[18:34]  * bschaefer hasnt used android in a while
[19:20] <greyback> bschaefer: my nexus 10 OSK has software buttons , one of which is the hide-OSK button (one on the right I think)
[19:20] <greyback> maybe a hardware button does it for you
[19:21] <bschaefer> greyback, we dont have that luxury :)
[19:21] <bschaefer> though i dont remember seeing anything in maliit for that
[19:21]  * bschaefer isnt sure how hard that would be
[19:22]  * greyback eod
[19:22] <greyback> o/
[22:44] <bschaefer> attente, hey (if you're still around). How new is maliit inputcontext gtk3?
[22:45] <bschaefer> looking back at vivid + overlay it seems to just be an empty package?
[22:45] <bschaefer> in xenial it install im-modules.so
[22:45] <bschaefer> but the vivid one installs no libraries
[22:46] <bschaefer> looks ... pretty new from the google, you created the project in 2015-11-20... and first ppa was build jan 2016 hmm
[22:46] <bschaefer> soo that wont be in vivid :(


[14:52] <ved> hiii
[14:54] <pikurasa> hi
[14:54] <ved> my ubuntu studio's desktop wallpaper is automatically changed and right click option also and home button is not shown on desktop automaticall after some time.. is there any solution
[14:55] <ved> y it happened in ubuntu..is i hv to install ubuntu studio again
[14:55] <ved> ??
[15:16] <sakrecoer> ved: what do you see when you right-click on the desktop?
[15:19] <sakrecoer> ved: normaly you should have a menu with an entry that says "desktop settings"
[15:19] <sakrecoer> na well.. :)
[17:56] <Guest29561> Hello All
[17:56] <Guest29561> Que pasa?
[20:16] <daniele_> hi, can you help me? i have a problem with installation of ubuntu studio