[00:00] <Daviey> mneptok: oi, i've got sensitive skin
[00:00] <mneptok> Daviey: i'm wearing the frictionless "contact bodysuit" you sent.
[00:00]  * Daviey considers looking at the pics he took of mneptok at UDS.. doing certain impressions :)
[00:00] <mneptok> *and* the headdress
[00:02] <Myrtti> url
[00:02] <mneptok> Myrtti: the costume absorbs all light. it is physically impossible to photograph.
[00:03] <Mez> mneptok, any excuse to try and get someone to strip you
[00:03] <Daviey> mneptok: these impression ones aren't.. infact i took lots in quick succession - i reckon i could make an animated GIF :)
[00:04] <Seeker`> did you know that Daviey is banned from 99% of the known universe
[00:04] <Daviey> !qotd
[00:04] <mneptok> oops
[00:04] <mneptok> Daviey: that will be useful in dispelling notions like - < unavailable> mneptok thank you, you are the most sensible person i have talked to in a few hours
[00:04] <Daviey> :)
[00:04] <mneptok> ok, i need to reduce irssi clutter
[00:05] <mneptok> hmm ... let's see what's new on the Ubuntu UK podcast ...
[00:05] <Daviey> . /foreach window /wc
[00:05] <Daviey> should do it
[00:05] <mneptok> all i got was an odd smell and a flushing sound ...
[00:06] <Daviey> mneptok: yah.. we a little late with this episode :(
[00:06] <mneptok> speaking of WC ....
[00:06] <mneptok> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Stalled-Server-Room.aspx
[00:08] <Daviey> heh
[00:09] <mneptok> "Are you using the bathroom?"  "I'm working on load balancing."  "Is that a yes?"
[00:10] <Daviey> I'm wiping it clean, then i'll reload.
[00:11] <mneptok> sorry, i already had lunch.
[00:13] <Daviey> try flushing the cache
[00:16] <mneptok> let me get a log dump first
[00:30] <nalioth> mneptok: those logs from the ladies restroom?
[00:36]  * Daviey patches mneptok's backdoor vulnerability
[00:37] <Mez> Daviey, he enjoys that
[00:42]  * nickrud looks around: "I must be in the wrong channel"
[00:47] <nalioth>  /me drinks marmite tea
[00:49]  * Myrtti has never had marmite
[00:50] <nalioth> Myrtti, you should nip on over to the UK shope and get some  :)
[00:50] <nalioth> or vegemite
[00:54] <Dave2> Ugh. Marmite.
[00:54] <popey> \o/ marmite hilight
[00:55] <Dave2> A product which advertises itself with the slogan "I hate marmite" has to have something wrong with it
[00:55] <popey> tis yum
[00:55] <nalioth> Dave2: c'mon, you know you loves it
[00:55] <nalioth> i just started eating it last week and i loves it
[00:55] <Dave2> http://www.marmite.co.uk/hate .
[00:55] <nalioth> my friend who emigrated from NZ thinks i'm absolutely bonkers
[00:56] <Myrtti> Dave2: the local blue cheese is promoted also with "hate"
[00:58] <tasos> Hello to everybody from Greece
[00:59] <tasos> Use ububtu. VERY satisfied
[01:00] <tasos> Any replies?
[01:00] <TheSheep> tasos: how can we help you here?
[01:01] <tasos> Thanks for the reply. No need for help right now.
[01:01] <tasos> Just chatting
[01:01] <TheSheep> tasos: this channel is not exactly public, you know
[01:02] <tasos> ok didnt know. Sorry. Leave now
[01:02] <TheSheep> tasos: come back if you ever need any help from ops
[01:03] <tasos> Thanks a lot
[02:30] <Jack_Sparrow> bazhang that is the third warning for ^ocen on language
[02:31] <bazhang> Jack_Sparrow, second I saw (yours and mine)
[02:31] <Jack_Sparrow> I had two earlier
[02:31] <bazhang> then 4
[02:32] <bazhang> make that 5 with mnep-tok
[02:32] <Jack_Sparrow> Now he wants to argue the point
[02:37] <nickrud> if the floodbots survive this ...
[02:39] <vorian> fools
[02:39] <bazhang> :)
[02:57] <bazhang> malv in -ot
[06:17]  * Myrtti sighs
[06:17] <Myrtti> morning
[06:22] <nickrud> !test
[06:23] <nickrud> fail?
[06:23] <Myrtti> !test
[06:23] <Myrtti> well, life is full of fail
[06:23]  * Myrtti shrugs
[06:24] <nickrud> meh. Don't I know that
[06:24] <Myrtti> From outori-netplaza.utanet.fi (<IP_ADDRESS>) icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
[06:25] <Myrtti> stdin:
[06:28] <Myrtti> !test
[06:29] <Myrtti> !test
[06:29] <Myrtti> I wonder where my phone is
[06:30] <nickrud> call it, you can follow the ringer
[06:30] <ubott2> Failed!
[06:31] <nickrud> !test
[06:31] <ubott2> Failed!
[06:31] <nickrud> no lag, back
[06:31] <Myrtti> well... it is my bot.
[06:32] <Myrtti> so I sent jussi01 a sms already
[06:33] <Myrtti> now just wait
[06:34] <nickrud> too many bots, too little time
[06:35] <nickrud> the ops need a central server of their own with these useful little toys on it. More than one access
[06:52] <Myrtti> my fingers feel cold and I'm all in goose bumps
[06:52]  * Myrtti sighs
[07:14]  * jussio1 sighs
[07:14]  * Myrtti hugs jussio1
[07:15] <jussio1> does anyone here have experience setting up a svn server?
[07:19]  * Myrtti wants to go back to bed
[07:20] <jussio1> Myrtti: me also
[07:20] <Myrtti> I'm also cold, feeling sick and generally awful. no hangover though... "count the blessings" eh.
[07:21] <jussio1> Myrtti: thqnks for the prompt bot fix, Im trying to contact the guy, but no answer
[07:21] <Myrtti> thank nickrud
[07:21] <Myrtti> I wouldn't have noticed
[07:22]  * Myrtti goes to stare the innards of her fridge
[07:23]  * Myrtti pokes a package of bread
[07:26] <Myrtti> jussio1: you prolly noticed I dropped some of the channels from ubott2s join list
[07:27] <jussio1> Myrtti: no, I didnt, but what ever :)
[07:27] <Myrtti> I took those off I deemed not horribly important
[07:27] <Myrtti> I don't want to put excess stress on the virtual before we know how it handles the vital ones
[07:28] <Myrtti> so far the loads look reasonable, I alerted the Jackass also to have a look at the host machine's loads
[07:28] <Myrtti> 1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[07:28]  * Myrtti shrugs
[07:28]  * stdin wakes up
[07:29] <jussio1> hello stdin
[07:30] <stdin> morning :)
[07:31] <stdin> poor nubotu, he's probably still repeating that message, every 4 mins :p
[07:31] <stdin> but it's being lost in the ether
[08:06] <Myrtti> Paint It Black!
[08:10]  * Myrtti yawns
[08:18] <Seeker`> lo
[08:18]  * Myrtti looks at her bed
[08:19] <Myrtti> ok, I'm going back to bed.
[08:19] <Myrtti> If you can't take ubott2 down any other way, just kick her hiney
[09:07] <jjido> Please, can you help me remove my password from the #ubuntu channel records?
[09:08] <ikonia> jjido: can't be done
[09:08] <ikonia> jjido: change your password 1000+ have already seen it
[09:08] <stdin> jjido: it'd be far easier to just change your pass
[09:09] <jjido> mmh. that is hard. It is a "weak" password that I use at many places where I don't need a better one.
[09:09] <stdin> it's already logged by ubuntulog, irseek and any number of unofficial log bots
[09:09] <ikonia> plus peoples individual logs
[09:10] <stdin> it'd be impossible to remove it from all logs everywhere
[09:10] <jjido> I am not doing that Nickserv thing again. How about the official log?
[09:10] <ikonia> jjido: the logs won't be removed, and 1000+ people have seen it
[09:10] <ikonia> if you don't want to change your password - thats your call
[09:11] <jjido> yes I want to. I am sure I will forget some sites where it is used though.
[09:12] <stdin> we don't have any control over ubuntulog, canonical host it
[09:12] <Hobbsee> firefox won't tell you?
[09:12] <ikonia> you don't have to change every password, just your irc one
[09:12] <Hobbsee> either way, learn to a) not put your passwords into public irc channels, and b) use a password safe.
[09:12] <Hobbsee> ikonia: depends if the password is the same as he uses elsewhere.
[09:13] <ikonia> yes, but as we don't know his users names or other locations, its a risk he can choose to manage
[09:16]  * Hobbsee raises an eyebrow at ikonia
[09:16] <Hobbsee> if the guy uses one password for many things, isnt it likely that he uses the same username for many things too?
[09:17] <ikonia> as I said a risk he can choose to manage as changing a password for him seemed to be an issue
[09:18] <bazhang> best to change them all then
[09:21] <nalioth> jjido: and as suggested, keep a listof passwords on a non networked computer or <horrors> handwritten in a notebook
[09:40] <ikonia> Daemonax in #ubuntu - running gnusense won't stop asking for support
[09:40] <ikonia> ignores anyone who asks him to stop asking and points him at the rigt channel
[09:40] <ikonia> could someone please nudge him properly
[09:42] <ikonia> nalioth: thank you
[09:54] <Myrtti> merh
[09:55] <jpds> morning
[09:57]  * Myrtti groans, loudly
[10:16] <gnomefreak> is bot down?
[10:16] <gnomefreak> he left and never rejoined #ubuntu-mozillateam
[10:16] <jussio1> gnomefreak: yes, the ISP is having issues
[10:17] <jussio1> we have ubott2 but she is for more pressing things
[10:17] <gnomefreak> jussio1: ah do we have temp bot with bug script?
[10:17] <jussio1> gnomefreak: should be sorted out before the day ends
[10:17] <jussio1> stdin: ^^
[10:18] <gnomefreak> jussio1: ok cool
[10:18] <Myrtti> stdin, jussio1: just a reminder; you should have all the same rights to ubott2 as ubottu...
[10:18] <jussio1> Myrtti: yes, of course
[10:18] <Myrtti> all I did for ubott2 on that part was to add myself as admin too
[10:27]  * Myrtti sighs
[10:27] <Myrtti> AGAIN one of THOSE days
[10:27] <Myrtti> milk has gone bad
[10:27] <Myrtti> am I losing it? I'm losing it.
[10:27] <Myrtti> how the hell...
[10:29] <Myrtti> Amaranth: how can you quit, not change your nick and then reappear out of thin air and be voiced by chanserv? or am I having some STJUUUPEDH ignore again?
[10:29] <Myrtti> dear Gaia, I need caffeine and hugs
[10:29] <Amaranth> eh?
[10:29]  * Amaranth hugs Myrtti
[10:30] <Daviey> Myrtti: are you ignoring JOINS?
[10:30] <Myrtti> not that I know of
[10:31] <Myrtti> 12:30    1 #channel foo: CRAP MSGS NOTICES SNOTES CTCPS ACTIONS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS WALLOPS INVITES NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS
[10:31] <Myrtti> 12:30    2 fibubot: ALL
[10:32] <Daviey> :S
[10:32] <Myrtti> I'm totally losing it
[10:32] <Myrtti> *BOJOJOING*
[10:33] <Daviey> surely in order to lose it, you once had to have it? :)
[10:33] <Myrtti> ... good point
[10:33] <Myrtti> nvm then
[10:33] <Daviey> <--meanie
[10:33] <bazhang> ubott2 replaces ubottu?
[10:33] <ubott2> bazhang: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[10:33] <Myrtti> bazhang: for now
[10:34] <Myrtti> hopefully only until the end of the day
[10:34] <bazhang> thanks :)
[10:35] <bazhang> Myrtti, :)
[10:35] <Myrtti> I just love the ident of ubott2
[10:35] <bazhang> haha
[10:35] <Myrtti> "mommy!"
[10:36] <bazhang> o.0
[10:36] <Myrtti> well it is on my server, after all
[10:37] <bazhang> what hath thou wrought?
[10:38] <Myrtti> "it wasn't me it was the one-armed man"
[10:38] <bazhang> hehe
[10:42] <elky> hehe
[11:50]  * Myrtti sighs
[11:52] <bazhang> idn is all about the o4o
[11:57] <elky> i know
[11:57] <bazhang> have to warn him *every* time.
[12:00] <elky> bazhang, you're allowed to crack it with him if he does what everyone was saying he was doing last night
[12:01] <elky> wanna ask ppk|frigginxchat why he is doing that to xchat?
[12:01] <bazhang> elky, plus f for me in there would be a big danger :)
[12:05] <Myrtti> jussio1: http://ihasahotdog.com/2008/06/24/cute-puppy-pictures-dey-not-end-up-on-interweb/
[12:11]  * Myrtti looks at her coffee mug
[12:12] <nalioth>  /me watches Myrttis coffee mug look back
[12:12] <Myrtti> it does look back
[12:12] <Myrtti> it has pictures of teddy bears
[12:12] <Myrtti> dipping cookies into their tea mugs
[12:13] <Myrtti> http://www.newtons-law.com/
[12:15] <Myrtti> hm
[12:15] <Myrtti> http://www.newtonstore.co.uk/products.php?id=P4377550E06048
[12:20] <bazhang> yay!
[12:22] <gnomefreak> @time new_york
[12:22] <ubott2> gnomefreak: Current time in America/New_York: June 25 2008, 07:20:30 - Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day
[12:22] <Myrtti> WTH
[12:22] <Myrtti> when did he join in
[12:23] <bazhang> @login
[12:23] <ubott2> bazhang: The operation succeeded.
[12:23] <Myrtti> WHAT THE HELL
[12:23] <Myrtti> I can't see him join in any of the channels
[12:24] <Pici> eh
[12:24] <Pici> Hes in #ubuntu
[12:24] <Pici> s/he/she/
[12:24] <Myrtti> woops
[12:24] <Myrtti> I didn't see her join #ubuntu, didn't see her join here
[12:24] <Myrtti> WTH
[12:25] <Myrtti> what   the   hell?
[12:25] <Pici> Right before bazhang said yay
[12:25] <Myrtti> ;5~14:15 <+Myrtti> hm
[12:25] <Myrtti> 14:15 <+Myrtti> http://www.newtonstore.co.uk/products.php?id=P4377550E06048
[12:25] <Myrtti> 14:20 <+bazhang> yay!
[12:25] <Myrtti> 14:22 <+gnomefreak> @time new_york
[12:25] <Pici> 07:15:50 <Myrtti> http://www.newtonstore.co.uk/products.php?id=P4377550E06048
[12:25] <Pici> 07:20:33 >>>> ubottu (n=supybot@unaffiliated/jussi01/bot/ubottu) has joined #ubuntu-ops
[12:25] <Pici> 07:21:26 <bazhang> yay!
[12:26] <Myrtti> WTH?!
[12:26] <Pici> 07:22:42 <gnomefreak> @time new_york
[12:26] <Myrtti> ok, ditching autorealname
[12:26] <Myrtti> it must be it
[12:26] <Pici> That caused a few problems for me as well, but mostly in regards to repeating join messages
[12:28] <nalioth> autorealname?
[12:29] <Myrtti> >14:25 -!- Gralco (Eric Kuzmenko<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined  #ubuntu
[12:29] <elky> irssi script to show realnames when people join
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Pici: Myrtti thanks i saw it already
[12:30] <Myrtti> this is really insane
[12:31] <jussi01> yipee!!
[12:31] <Pici> AndrewB: yipe!?
[12:32] <Pici> er, not AndrewB, sorry.
[12:32] <jussio1> Myrtti: it takes a while to join all the channels
[12:32] <Myrtti> ok, I lost it again
[12:32] <Myrtti> need more coffee
[12:33] <nalioth> ah, interesting
[12:37] <Pici> bazhang: aww...  I've never had the same username for both
[13:22]  * elky shrugs
[13:23] <Pici> bnrubin on LP and BenjaminRubin on Wiki
[13:31] <elky> you dont sign in with your email address?
[13:32] <Pici> oh, yeah, I guess I do.
[13:32] <Pici> I think I'm just confused
[13:32] <elky> i'm melissa on LP and MelissaDraper on wiki, but i sign into both as my email
[13:32] <elky> however, im certain it used to be a shared cookie thing... seems to not be anymore
[13:32] <Pici> Dont mind me
[13:33] <gnomefreak> is anyone other than PriceChil_d an admin in ubuntuforums.org?
[13:33] <gnomefreak> i mean in this channel
[13:34] <jpds> !jdong | gnomefreak
[13:34] <gnomefreak> jpds: i havent seen jdong post anything in over a month nor reply to my email
[13:34] <Dave2> o_O
[13:34] <Pici> gnomefreak: vorian too iirc
[13:35] <Pici> gnomefreak: probably most of the people on #ubuntuforums access list too
[13:35] <Hobbsee> elky: it may have been reset, with the switch to the newer moin?
[13:35] <jpds> hmmm
[13:36] <gnomefreak> PriceChild and or vorian using the Go Advanced button tells you to use Post Quick Rply (im thinking this is a bug)
[13:53] <elky> Hobbsee, maybe, but i logged out of launchpad and logged back in, but it didnt share the session
[14:03] <Myrtti> I need more time offline
[14:04] <Pici> !staff
[14:04] <Pici> Zeee<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is making the rounds with spam for some sexy-lena website, spammed #ubuntu a little bit, but I'm getting reports from some users now too.  Its no longer in channel.
[14:11] <Dave2> Appears to be gone
[14:12] <Pici> Dave2: Thanks for taking a look
[15:23] <jussi01> ahh, much better
[15:23] <jussi01> (dinner )
[16:04]  * Myrtti headdesks, gets more coffee
[16:04] <pleia2> ooh coffee
[16:04] <PriceChild> evolution has decided to thread conversations....
[16:05] <Myrtti> PriceChild: it's evolution.
[16:05] <PriceChild> Myrtti: ?
[16:07] <Myrtti> it does by default idiotic things. You see the light at the end of the tunnel? it's not the end of the tunnel. it's the train. Don't use evolution, it will spell a curse on you and your offspring up to four generations, making cows go bare and crops rot on fields.
[16:07] <Myrtti> run as fast as you can
[16:07] <PriceChild> I like it threading
[16:07] <PriceChild> but it never did it before, and I'm confused as to whether it simply thought it would be a nice present for my return.
[16:08] <Myrtti> don't all the clients do it by now?
[16:08] <Myrtti> anyway
[16:08] <Myrtti> run run run as fast as you can
[16:08] <Myrtti> RUN FORREEESSSTTT
[16:08] <Myrtti> RUN!
[16:08] <Pici> ...
[16:08] <Myrtti> fco,l
[16:09] <Myrtti> I guess that's my cue?
[16:09] <Daviey> Myrtti: has now lost it ;)
[16:09] <PriceChild> I can't run anymore
[16:09] <Myrtti> wth
[16:09] <Myrtti> ok.
[16:10] <Myrtti> ...
[16:10] <Pici> unavailable is driving me a little crazy
[16:11] <Myrtti> smack him
[16:12] <bazhang> same here
[16:12] <Myrtti> you want me to smack him?
[16:12] <Myrtti> awwww
[16:12] <Myrtti> you shouldn't have
[16:33] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici Join the club
[16:33] <bazhang> dream as well
[17:01] <Myrtti> Pici: thanks
[17:02] <Pici> Myrtti: hm?
[17:02] <Myrtti> I really can't stand him ma'amin and sir'ing all the time
[17:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes, M'lady
[17:03]  * Myrtti blinks
[17:03]  * Myrtti looks at her smelly jeans, GNOME lanyard and pink t-shirt, then looks around her
[17:04] <bazhang> ah he's okay
[17:04] <Myrtti> Why, thank you for understanding my quandaray. dear Sir!
[17:04] <bazhang> he is really young is all.
[17:05] <Myrtti> bazhang: sure, but here in Finland people Sir and Ma'am people over 60
[17:05] <Pici> Here too
[17:05] <bazhang> india is different though Myrtti
[17:05] <Myrtti> I know, but IRC is supposed to be informal ;-)
[17:05] <Myrtti> IT CAME FROM FINLAND!!!!!11
[17:05] <Myrtti> :->
[17:05] <Pici> it came from outer space
[17:06] <Jack_Sparrow> The answer is.. Swamp Thing
[17:06] <bazhang> the finns will never let us forget linux came from suomi
[17:06] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: oh dear, you've seen me today?
[17:06] <Myrtti> bazhang: and IRC, and ssh
[17:06] <Myrtti> ! and irssi
[17:07] <Pici> and ubottu
[17:07] <Jack_Sparrow> I was thinking of the old Johnny Carson skit.. the envelope has the answer he gives the question
[17:07]  * Pici puts the envelope up against his forehead
[17:07] <bazhang> the amazing kreskin :)
[17:08] <Myrtti> Pici: pray tell, what do you see?
[17:08] <Jack_Sparrow> FYI <Amrita> http://nostarch.com/  <Amrita> Hacking The Art of Exploitation 2nd Edition
[17:11] <jussio1> Myrtti: sorry bout ubottu going down for a min without telling you - we just did some rerouting, now my box has a new ip.
[17:11] <Myrtti> ooooooooh it'll be allright... that would be 2 hugs then. I'll send you the invoice by email.
[17:12] <jussio1> lol
[17:12] <Myrtti> hugs exchange rate to euros is about 1:3
[17:12] <Myrtti> so either 2 hugs or 6 euros to Finnish Red Cross
[17:13] <Myrtti> Unicef will do too
[17:13] <jussio1> Myrtti: hugs :D
[17:14] <Myrtti> fair enough
[17:14] <Myrtti> "it's business that pays out"
[17:21] <bazhang> Jack_Sparrow, haha that explains it :)
[17:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti I wont donate to the american red cross.
[17:24] <Myrtti> Unicef?
[17:24] <Jack_Sparrow> Over here they farm every disaster for donations and return about 10% to the community 50% for advertising for collections and multi-million dollar payrolls for the directors..  Look up past directors..  Find Mrs Bush
[17:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Didnt mean for that to drift into political.. just using that as a reference
[17:25] <Myrtti> well any charity you deem worth it
[17:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti I donate to aspca, and homes for abused women and children
[17:26] <Myrtti> I personally prefer Greenpeace, Amnesty International and local Animal Rights association, but those are often considered too aggressive here
[17:26] <Myrtti> well, not Amnesty, but...a
[17:26] <Myrtti> anyways
[17:26] <Tm_T> hmm
[17:27]  * Tm_T does red cross and plan
[17:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Flat earth society gets my vote
[17:27]  * Myrtti gives a ttttiiiiight hug for Tm_T
[17:27] <Tm_T> <3
[17:27]  * Myrtti sighs
[17:30] <Tm_T> why sigh?
[17:31] <Myrtti> oh, nothing :-|
[17:33] <Pici> Myrtti is complicated
[17:33]  * Pici grabs lunch
[17:34] <Myrtti> Pici: I've never claimed to be uncomplicated creature
[17:34] <Myrtti> :-)
[17:34] <Tm_T> Pici: hu-mans, you know
[17:39] <Myrtti> more sangria. Definitely, more sangria
[17:48] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I'd say no
[17:48] <Myrtti> I know you would, dear
[17:48] <Tm_T> and you should listen to me
[17:49] <Myrtti> "yes daddy"
[17:49] <Tm_T> ;)
[17:49] <Myrtti> ::rolleyes
[18:04] <Flare183> Can I become a IRC op helper?
[18:04] <Myrtti> holler !ops when you see someone misbehaving
[18:04] <Myrtti> (sorry for the hilight folks)
[18:06] <jpds> ....
[18:06] <Flare183> Myrtti: is that he only thing I have to do?
[18:06] <Myrtti> it's a start
[18:06] <Flare183> ok
[18:06] <bazhang> unavailable
[18:06] <Myrtti> you think ;-=
[18:06] <bazhang> in #ubuntu
[18:06] <bazhang> sorry, that is the username
[18:08] <Myrtti> just smack him
[18:08] <bazhang> more than that at this point.
[18:12]  * PriceChild <3's evolution threading stuff
[18:13] <Myrtti> I can't stand threading unless mailinglists
[18:13] <Myrtti> or newsgroups
[18:14]  * Myrtti sneaks to the fridge to get more sangria
[18:15]  * Myrtti looks around to check unca Jussi can't see
[18:16] <jussi01> the other Jussi comes along and steals the sangria
[18:16] <Myrtti> eeeeek
[18:16] <PriceChild> tut tut
[18:17] <Pici> king tut
[18:17]  * Myrtti gives innocent puppy eyes
[18:18] <Myrtti> I've done nothing!  By which he means "walks", and "PS2".
[19:23]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[19:24] <ompaul> Dave2, you are quackers
[19:24]  * Dave2 rolls Myrtti's eyes back
[19:24] <Dave2> You lost these
[19:25]  * Tm_T hugs ompaul
[19:25] <Dave2> ompaul, *groan*
[19:25] <ompaul> Tm_T, hi
[19:25] <Myrtti> ompaul: quackquack
[19:25]  * ompaul invokes http://youtube.com/watch?v=4jzGIaZcGcM
[19:28]  * Tm_T invokes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJQVlVHsFF8
[19:29] <Myrtti> ompaul: BUT I WANT A HUG TOO!
[19:30] <ompaul> cd /home/Myrtti; sudo apt-get install hug
[19:30] <ompaul> ;-)
[19:30]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti tight firm and long
[19:30] <Myrtti> oh noes, its DAVID
[19:32] <Myrtti> ...
[19:32]  * Myrtti invokes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inQNN_Gl_cA
[19:33] <bazhang>  unavailable wonders why "installing drivers" in windows is so complicated for some people
[19:34] <bazhang> he can be helpful at times; but too much of that imo
[19:58]  * Myrtti looks at her glass
[19:58] <Myrtti> last drops
[20:50] <ompaul> watch ornj in #u I have to take care of something here
[21:05] <Myrtti> OMG LOL Now playing "You're My Heart, You're My Soul" by Modern Talking.
[21:05] <Myrtti> :-D
[21:05] <Tm_T> oooh!
[21:05] <Tm_T> I wanna
[21:42] <nickrud><EMAIL_ADDRESS>(nick Rick_ ) , auto spam on join #ubuntu
[21:43] <nickrud> if someone klines him, please clear the ban from bantracker if you like
[21:43] <PriceChild> nickrud: you kickbanned him?
[21:43] <nickrud> yes
[21:43] <PriceChild> nickrud: its kind of hard to confirm then :/
[21:44] <nickrud> ah, what would be a better procedure then?
[21:45] <stdin> best procedure is to tell a staffer to they can /cycle and k-line :)
[21:45] <stdin> s/to/so/
[21:45] <nickrud> stdin, ok, one more data point on this thankless job ;p
[21:46] <PriceChild> he's responding to PM though so lets  see
[21:47] <Dave2> I doubt he is at this point...
[21:48] <PriceChild> true, i'm just slow at my reporting
[22:05] <jussi01> ok, now its looking a bit better, whadda-ya-all-think? http://jussi01.com/
[22:07] <Myrtti> IH
[22:07] <Myrtti> "hrm, dunno what to put here yet" LOL
[22:07] <jussi01> :D
[22:08]  * Myrtti huggles jussi01
[22:08] <jussi01> :)
[22:08]  * jussi01 huggles Myrtti
[22:08] <Myrtti> :-D
[22:08] <Myrtti> ih
[22:09] <jussi01> ok then, Im off to bed...
[22:09] <Myrtti> nini
[22:12] <stdin> something tells me I'm not going to get to bed early tonight
[22:12] <Myrtti> oh?
[22:13] <Myrtti> its late already, 10pm
[22:13] <stdin> mostly https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all and https://launchpad.net/+builds say to me "you ain't goin' nowhere"
[22:14] <Myrtti> stdin, love
[22:14] <Myrtti> staring those pages will hardly make the process go any faster?
[22:14] <stdin> probably not, but I'm waiting on them to get the next batch up
[22:15] <Myrtti> *patpat
[22:15] <Myrtti> stdin: question number one: are you getting paid for this?
[22:15] <stdin> answer number one: nope :p
[22:15] <Myrtti> question number two: if not, what is your excuse and is it REALLY worth it?
[22:16] <stdin> my excuse is, people want the beta 2 and so do I
[22:16] <stdin> also, I'm the only one doing it right now, and I don't want (more) hate messages/mail
[22:17] <Myrtti> tell them to shove it
[22:17] <stdin> by making it delayed
[22:17] <stdin> Myrtti: I have told a few to already ;)
[22:17] <Myrtti> your excuse for delay is that you're afraid of mistakes if it's done in haste and you tired
[22:17] <Myrtti> shove that to their throats and have it over with
[22:18] <stdin> it's no haste, I've been working on it since saturday
[22:18] <stdin> PPAs are just slowing me down
[22:18] <Myrtti> even more a reason to go sleeping now
[22:18] <stdin> I will sleep, but not yet
[22:18] <Myrtti> since you've been working on it sunday, surely two more hours mean nothing?
[22:18] <stdin> (before midnight though)
[22:18] <Myrtti> saturday, I mean
[22:19]  * Myrtti tucks stdins hand, shoves him to bed, tucks him in and puts off the lights
[22:19] <Myrtti> nni
[22:19] <stdin> I should do it as fast as reasonably possible, as everyone's packages are broken :p
[22:20]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[22:20] <stdin> but right now I'm getting my dinner (yes, at 22:20)
[22:22] <stdin> I'll do what I can in the next hour or so, but (like I did last night) I'm not going to say up all night
[22:22] <stdin> like I did with the 4.0.0 :/
[22:24] <Myrtti> theres a good boy
[22:25] <Myrtti> after you've had your dinner, go brush your teeth and change for jammies, then you'll be aaaaall set for nini :-P
[22:26] <stdin> I may even get some warm milk too :D
[22:29] <Myrtti> awwww
[22:41] <Myrtti> nini everyone
[22:42] <nalioth> night
[22:57] <tonyyarusso> win 4
[22:58] <stdin> fail 1
[23:24]  * Mez black hats his way onto the internet
[23:57]  * Dave2 throws white paint on Mez
[23:57] <Mez> lol


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[21:43] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://packages.qa.debian.org/libx/libxfce4ui/news/20200729T223444Z.html !


[00:45] <qengho> Hi hi hi.
[05:08] <hikiko> hi
[05:15]  * qengho pounces on hikiko.
[05:15] <qengho> Finally! I've been *so lonely*.
[05:15] <hikiko> Hi qengho !
[05:51] <pitti> Good morning
[06:51] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:52] <didrocks> re seb128
[06:52] <seb128> re didrocks :-)
[06:52] <seb128> just got my coffee and done with email backlog, can start looking at what I should put on my plate for today ;-)
[06:54] <flocculant> seb128: bacon and eggs
[08:02] <Laney> yoooooooooooo
[08:03] <willcooke> morning all
[08:03] <TheMuso> Hey Laney, willcooke.
[08:03] <didrocks> hey Laney, willcooke, TheMuso
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke TheMuso
[08:06] <Laney> what's up
[08:07] <davmor2> Oh Laney you so street
[08:10] <Laney> west side is the best side
[08:12] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:12] <pitti> ça va seb128
[08:12] <davmor2> Laney: Wales is no the best side, It's nice don't get me wrong but not best ;)
[08:12] <pitti> hello davmor2 and willcooke, how are you?
[08:13] <davmor2> pitti: 'ow do chap? I'm good thanks netboot testing today my favourite \o/
[08:14] <pitti> davmor2: hah, you have strange pleasures :)
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, salut, ça va bien ?
[08:16] <pitti> seb128: oui, et toi ?
[08:16] <seb128> très bien merci !
[08:17] <davmor2> pitti: Oh sorry I seemed to be missing the <sarcasm></sarcasm> tag I do that I assume people see text from me and read it in my sarcastic tone by default ;)
[08:18] <pitti> davmor2: honestly, I actually do like to test netboot -- it feels a bit magic :)
[08:18] <pitti> "here's a completely blank machine which boots ubuntu out of thin air"
[08:18] <pitti> well, thin air and some really thin copper lines, close enough :)
[08:18] <davmor2> pitti: for me it is the time it takes that drive me to distraction other than that it is fine :)
[08:19] <pitti> admittedly I usually test with a VM and use my laptop as a proxy (apt-cacher-ng), then it's really fast
[08:20] <davmor2> pitti: yeah see I can't do that as I need to test that it connects to the servers each time :)
[08:20] <pitti> davmor2: actually, can we automate the actual install with preseed?
[08:20] <pitti> there's little reason why netboot tests can't be fully automated as an autopkgtest of d-i
[08:20] <pitti> nested qemu works well enough these days
[08:21] <davmor2> pitti: true but hey for now I'm it
[08:22] <davmor2> willcooke: should there be a unity8 option for yakkety on netboot by the way?
[08:23] <willcooke> davmor2, no
[08:24] <willcooke> at least, not yet
[09:11] <andyrock> morning
[09:11] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[09:19] <seb128> hey andyrock
[10:38] <Sweet5hark1> heh, sooo, researching some stuff on precise I found I could crash the gdb that the crash reporter called, causing a new crash reporter that ... can be used to crash a gdb again and so on.
[10:55] <willcooke> :)
[11:01] <pitti> tedg: Trevinho included the bamf merge in a different landing (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bamf/0.5.3~bzr0+16.10.20160726.1-0ubuntu1), so can you please remove it from the mega-ticket?
[12:36] <ximion> Laney: you want libarchive >= 3.1.9 for asgen to work
[12:36] <ximion> (but that was an alpha release, so 3.2 will do :) )
[13:05] <tedg> pitti: Ah, okay. We need an indicator-network fix and unity7 to land as well.
[13:14] <Laney> HEISENBERGGGGGGGGGGG
[13:14]  * Laney just watched the last episode
[13:14] <Laney> ximion: yeh, I'm going to backport it
[13:15] <pitti> Laney: ooh! I really liked Breaking Bad
[13:15]  * Laney hears the archers theme tune
[13:15] <Laney> pitti: yeah, me too!
[13:15] <Laney> although I'm not sure if I'm on his side any more :-)
[13:16] <pitti> Laney: I think that was the point :)
[13:16] <Laney> indeed
[13:16] <pitti> the great thing was that you cannot really pinpoint when he stops being the pity underdog/likable person and becomes the monster cartell boss
[13:16] <Laney> last time I was at climbing there were 3 people with Heisenberg t-shirts at the same time
[13:22] <Laney> The central theme of "Ozymandias" is contrasting the inevitable decline of all leaders and of the empires they build with their pretensions to greatness
[13:22] <Laney> ha
[13:27] <ximion> Laney: I will probably do the same for Debian
[13:27] <ximion> the change I wanted for libarchive was in Git master for about three years - libarchive releases slowly
[13:28] <ximion> Breaking Bad was awesome!
[14:31] <seb128> tedg, hey, so about inkscape, menus works for me....
[14:32] <tedg> seb128: Yeah, what version of snapd do you have?
[14:32] <seb128> current xenial
[14:32] <seb128> so 2.0.10
[14:32] <seb128> you?
[14:32] <tedg> Hmm, was thinking that was the issue.
[14:32] <tedg> Yeah, current xenial here too.
[14:33] <seb128> did you install --devmode or not?
[14:33] <tedg> seb128: No, not --devmode, but you said it worked both ways for you, right?
[14:33] <seb128> yes
[14:33] <seb128> just curious if it works in devmode for you
[14:33] <seb128> but yeah, works in devmode or confined here
[14:33] <seb128> with lim or not
[14:34] <seb128> do you get any error if you start if from a command line?
[14:34] <seb128> or in syslog, maybe apparmor denies?
[14:35] <tedg> seb128: Hmm, works in devmode
[14:35] <seb128> "good"
[14:35] <seb128> dpkg -l | grep snapd?
[14:35] <tedg> Heh
[14:35] <seb128> did you restart your machine since you upgraded?
[14:35] <tedg> Yeah, restarted this morning.
[14:36] <tedg> Yup it is 2.0.10
[14:37] <seb128> hum
[14:37] <seb128> dmesg | DEN
[14:37] <seb128> ?
[14:37] <seb128> it apparently tries to use gnome-vfs and get denied
[14:38] <seb128> unsure if that's worth fixing, it's time to move away from gnome-vfs :p
[14:38] <seb128> nothing to do with the menu though
[14:39] <tedg> Sure, next release of Inkscape drops GTK2. This release is aimed to be the last there.
[14:41] <seb128> k
[14:41] <seb128> so, DENIES?
[14:41] <seb128> in confined mode
[14:41] <seb128> well if you try confined before those are probably still in the log
[14:52] <seb128> andyrock, thanks for fixing that esc-clos-dialog issue :-)
[14:52] <seb128> tedg, no denies then?
[14:52] <andyrock> np :D
[14:52] <seb128> andyrock, if somebody added that code though that was probably for a reason, are you sure it's safe to delete it?
[14:53] <andyrock> pretty sure Trevinho tought it was a good idea
[14:53] <andyrock> :)
[14:53] <andyrock> but it's not
[14:53] <andyrock> seb128: I cannot see a design reason on why doing that
[14:54] <tedg> seb128: Standup, just a sec
[14:54] <seb128> tedg, no worry, sorry for the nagging, I was unsure if you saw my message since I didn't mention your name
[14:54] <seb128> andyrock,       SessionView: only use the Escape key event if a button is key-focused
[14:54] <seb128> is the commit it was added
[14:54] <seb128> so yeah, let's see what Marco says
[14:58] <andyrock> seb128: he will disagree and we'll force him to approve it :D
[14:58] <seb128> lol
[14:58] <seb128> yeah we will!
[15:25] <tedg> seb128: Do you have the dbus-user-bus stuff installed?
[15:26] <tedg> seb128: I'm getting denials on /run/user/1001/bus
[15:26] <tedg> Thinking it can't talk to DBus and thus export the menus.
[15:27] <seb128> oh
[15:27] <seb128> right, sorry
[15:28] <seb128> tedg, can you apply that patch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apparmor-dev/apparmor/master/revision/3492 to /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/dbus-session-strict and 'sudo invoke-rc.d apparmor reload"
[15:30] <tyhicks> seb128, tedg: FYI, I included that patch in apparmor 2.10.95-4ubuntu2 (landed in yakkety)
[15:30] <tedg> tyhicks: Are you planning to SRU?
[15:30] <tyhicks> tedg: it is needed in xenial?
[15:31] <seb128> tyhicks, thanks for that :-)
[15:31] <tedg> tyhicks: Not sure, it means if you have the user bus config installed snaps don't work. The user bus stuff isn't that common, but will likely become more so depending on how systemd user sessions go.
[15:32] <tyhicks> tedg: I can include it in the apparmor SRU that I'm preparing now
[15:32] <tyhicks> shouldn't hurt anything
[15:32] <seb128> tedg, let me know if that fixes it for you
[15:32] <tedg> seb128: Yup, it does!
[15:33] <tedg> tyhicks: Cool, thanks!
[15:33] <seb128> tedg, great, mystery solved!
[15:35] <seb128> tedg, other small issue, the Icon used in the .desktop doesn't exist, you probably want to copy the inkscape one in your setup/gui/icon.svg
[15:45] <Trevinho> seb128, andyrock: I remember it was discussed at the time with John... So first escape press would have done that
[15:46] <andyrock> mmm Trevinho but why? what's the point? :)
[15:46] <seb128> hey Trevinho, stop doing IRC on vac days! ;-)
[15:46] <Trevinho> Right...
[15:46]  * Trevinho hides
[15:47] <seb128> Trevinho, hope you are having a fun day at the sea ;-)
[16:05] <tedg> seb128: Ah, oops
[16:05] <tedg> seb128: Can I symlink that?
[16:05] <seb128> tedg, good question, no idea, try and tell me :-)
[16:12] <tedg> seb128: Seems to, rebuilding on LP
[16:12] <seb128> cool
[16:12] <tedg> seb128: Also sent a mail to inkscape-devel to get some feedback.
[16:13] <seb128> tedg, great, thanks!
[17:18] <Laney> night night!
[17:19] <willcooke> night Laney
[18:29] <willcooke> night all


[12:45] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:52] <tdr112> afternoon
[12:52] <czajkowski> hows things?
[12:58] <tdr112> grand , been a bit cold over the last few days
[12:58] <czajkowski> aye noticing similar over here atm
[12:58] <czajkowski> it's still 12
[12:58] <czajkowski> but the evenings are getting very cool
[14:19] <delcoyote> christmas round the corner
[14:23] <czajkowski> so close 5 weeks
[14:57] <czajkowski> trying to work out how to reply to the mail on the -ie list re learning
[14:57] <czajkowski> any ideas
[14:57] <czajkowski> or thoughts
[15:08] <tdr112> it stopped my from replying ,
[15:08] <tdr112> i am not sure what to say to the person ,
[15:08] <tdr112> do we want to give that level of support or are we more like here how to get your wifi working sort of thing
[15:09] <czajkowski> or maybe point him at resources


[01:12] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/check-series-bug-changeitype/+merge/192449
[01:14] <wgrant> chan gei type? chang eit ype?
[01:14] <wgrant> No parsing sounds dreadfully plausible.
[01:16] <wgrant> StevenK: I'd consider using bugtaskflat for that, but I guess other parts of the code will time out first on a large project.
[01:18] <StevenK> wgrant: I'm happy to switch it to BTF if you wish
[01:18] <wgrant> nah
[01:19] <StevenK> It's like a three line change and involves no longer joining Bug and BugTask
[01:19] <wgrant> I guess we already have other internal consistency checks based on the throwaway cache table
[01:20] <wgrant> So OK
[01:23] <StevenK> Hah, it ends up as +6/-6
[01:24] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6292383/
[01:25] <wgrant> Right
[01:26] <StevenK> I might switch that information_type for IS IN (PUBLIC), rather than IS NOT IN (PROPRIETARY)
[01:26] <wgrant> That would be incorrect.
[01:26] <wgrant> Private Security and Private are forbidden for proprietary projects
[01:26] <StevenK> It would?
[01:26] <wgrant> But there may be a non-proprietary list somewhere, I can't recall.
[01:27] <StevenK> We're looking for public bugs, why would IS IN PUBLIC_INFORMATION_TYPES be wrong?
[01:28] <StevenK> Oh
[01:28] <StevenK> I get it
[01:28] <StevenK> Right
[01:29] <wgrant> We're looking for non-proprietary bugs
[01:29] <wgrant> Not just public ones.
[01:29] <StevenK> Right
[01:29] <StevenK> FREE_INFORMATION_TYPES = (
[01:29] <StevenK>     PUBLIC_INFORMATION_TYPES + FREE_PRIVATE_INFORMATION_TYPES)
[01:30] <wgrant> That's the one.
[01:30] <StevenK> So it looks like IS IN FREE_INFORMATION_TYPES would be fine too
[01:30] <wgrant> That would be better, yes.
[01:30] <wgrant> Indexable and stuff.
[01:30] <StevenK> Right, hence why I wanted IS IN, rather than the inverse :-)
[01:35] <StevenK> wgrant: I know you've already approved it, can you cast your eyes over it again given the BTF and FREE changes?
[01:41] <StevenK> wgrant: And it's 'change itype'
[01:42] <StevenK> check-series-bug-change-information-type seemed too long
[01:58] <wgrant> StevenK: Looks good
[04:08] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/refactor-test-bugtaskfilter/+merge/192456


[12:24] <thierry> anyone could help me getting started with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile ?
[12:24] <thierry> how can I make sure the binary* target installs the .desktop file into /usr/share/applications/ and its corresponding icon file (xpm/png/etc.) into /usr/share/pixmaps/
[12:26] <\sh> thierry: u have to check .install/.files/.dirs files and the install targets of the debian/rules files
[12:27] <Seveas> \sh, n00b question: what's the difference between .files and .dirs
[12:27] <Seveas> \sh, n00b question: what's the difference between .files and .install i mean
[12:27] <thierry> \sh : and what do I do if a package doesn't have any of these?
[12:28] <\sh> Seveas: old style and new style..
[12:28] <Seveas> which is new?
[12:28] <\sh> thierry: then it's doing the moving in the rules file e.g. dh_movefiles and/or dh_install
[12:29] <\sh> Seveas: hmm....for this I have to read the man page again :)
[12:29] <thierry> \sh : so what should I do??
[12:29] <Seveas> nvm, I'll read it myself
[12:30] <\sh> thierry: well...1. check if there is one desktop file in new upstream e.g. or create one in debian/ dir
[12:30] <thierry> \sh : ok I get this dh_movefiles: Compatibility levels before 3 are deprecated.
[12:30] <thierry> dh_movefiles: debian/tmp does not exist.
[12:31] <\sh> thierry: then dh_install to debian/<packagename where it belongs>/usr/share/applications/
[12:31] <\sh> something like this
[12:31] <thierry> but what does dh_install does?
[12:31] <\sh> man dh_install...
[12:32] <\sh> well...there are many ways to succeed this..and u have to read the debian/rules file and analyse the correct way for this package
[12:32] <thierry> k...
[12:33] <Seveas> I was trying to package libsexy, but somehow I mess up with the .install files
[12:39] <Seveas> even though I call dh_install in the rules, none of the files specified in the .install files are installed
[12:41] <Seveas> solved
[12:42] <Seveas> \sh, still here, got another simple noob question for you :)
[12:42] <\sh> just trying to calming down and going to bed
[12:43] <Seveas> ok, then I won't bother you :)
[12:44] <\sh> tomorrow...or write it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>i can answer it early in the morning :)
[12:57] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:23] <sistpoty> cool... i just found out i already filed a bug with patch in BTS which i can use for merging now :)
[01:27] <\sh> sistpoty: hehe.btw..good work with offline merge :) i used it today a couple of times
[01:28] <sistpoty> do you mean the update-proggy?
[01:28] <\sh> yepp
[01:28] <\sh> 25 open merge/libstdc++ bugs...and no build logs..no information nothing :)
[01:28] <sistpoty> hehe... i just though it might come in handy if i wasn't the only one to manipulate the list *g*
[01:29] <\sh> and 424 packages to go
[01:29] <sistpoty> yep... :/
[01:29] <\sh> i need a build server for my own :)
[01:29] <sistpoty> use tiber ;)
[01:30] <sistpoty> that's what i did for the time consuming ghc6 *g*
[01:30] <\sh> tiber is too slow
[01:30] <\sh> it's not faster then my nc6000
[01:30] <sistpoty> harr... my own crate *is* slower than tiber :(
[01:30] <\sh> i need dual or quad cpu and one pbuilder per cpu
[01:31] <\sh> i could handle 4 packages at the same time..and still work on 4 other packages still :)
[01:31] <ajmitch> \sh: get me one of those boxes as well, please
[01:32] <\sh> actually...is it possible to assign a pbuilder to one cpu...and the second pbuilder to the 2. cpu?
[01:32] <\sh> i do not know
[01:33] <\sh> I want to try it
[01:34] <sistpoty> you can assign processes/process groups to a specific cpu iirc, so this should be possible
[01:34] <sistpoty> \sh: you did c2a-transition for cal3d?
[01:34] <sistpoty> \sh: because doko
[01:35] <sistpoty> +'s list says: "universe cal3d libcal3d10c2"
[01:35] <sistpoty> and my current updated pbuilder resolves ${shlibs:Depends} to libcal3d11
[01:36] <\sh> grmpf..i just switched of the nc6000
[01:37] <\sh> but I think i did libcal3d11c2a
[01:37] <\sh> but don't worry..nothing is build
[01:37] <\sh> the last logentry from today.html is from 15:42 DCT
[01:37] <sistpoty> ah, k...
[01:38] <\sh> ok...sleeping time...
[01:38] <sistpoty> so i should better wait until cal3d is built before i upload a pending package? or will s.o. clever trigger global rebuilds for pending packages?
[01:38] <\sh> sistpoty: we have to see...
[01:39] <sistpoty> ok
[01:39] <\sh> I just checked some rdepends on some renamed packages...and we have to send them for rebuilding...
[01:39] <\sh> actually i'm not sure if we should do it automatically via buildd admins, or at least we have to touch some build-deps or deps
[01:40] <\sh> cal3d was as well a merge
[01:40] <sistpoty> it was... maybe that confused me a little bit *g*
[01:40] <\sh> you have not my crack level .. i'm just burning :)
[01:41] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:41] <sistpoty> well then get some sleep and cool down ;)
[01:41] <\sh> yeah :)
[01:41] <\sh> good night :)
[04:23] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone and have a nice weekend (will be away during weekend)
[04:49] <lamont-away> ccmalloc_0.4.0-4ubuntu1 has an undeclared build-dep on g++-3.3
[07:04] <viviersf> hmmmm
[07:04] <viviersf> strange doesnt ubuntu have blackdown java anywhere ?
[07:11] <Amaranth> in multiverse
[07:12] <viviersf> erm
[07:12] <viviersf> lol
[07:12] <viviersf> i would have thought there should not be any issues with blackdown
[07:12] <viviersf> and it would be in universe
[07:13] <crimsun> nope, same issues as with ibm and sun, except blackdown's is redistributable
[07:22] <viviersf> elo ajmitch
[07:22] <viviersf> crimsun, :(
[07:35] <ajmitch> hi viviersf
[07:35] <viviersf> ajmitch, i got that problem sorted
[07:35] <ajmitch> great!
[07:35] <ajmitch> what was it?
[07:37] <viviersf> chroot / mtab / procmounts
[08:29] <zakame> hello
[08:29] <crimsun> moin
[08:55] <crimsun> speaking of which, the latest upgrade borked stuff, but I edited /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to point to /usr/bin/Xorg instead of /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86, and stuff isn't crying so loudly
[08:56] <crimsun> err s/XFree86/X/
[09:05] <StevenK> I can't find it in Breezy, and packages.u.c can't search Dapper.
[09:05] <StevenK> Oh, woe is me!
[09:06] <crimsun> /usr/include/GL
[09:07] <StevenK> Well, what about GL/GLwMDrawA.h
[09:08] <StevenK> That's what I can't find.
[09:14] <crimsun> hmm.
[09:14] <zakame> hi slomo
[09:16] <StevenK> Ah hah!
[09:16] <StevenK> libgl1-mesa-swrast-dev
[09:23] <siretart> morning folks!
[09:27] <slomo> hi siretart :)
[09:27] <slomo> siretart: did you already fix qemu for ppc? otherwise i could take a look in a few minutes
[09:28] <siretart> slomo: the problem was iirc upstream, I intentended to wait for the next debian upload
[09:29] <zakame> hey siretart :)
[09:29] <siretart> slomo: if you can fix it, great
[09:29] <siretart> huhu zakame
[09:33] <yaoming> is there everybody tell me how to disable IPv6?
[09:34] <zakame> yaoming: how come? is ipv6 bugging you?
[09:34] <zakame> yaoming: you could also ask in #ubuntu
[09:35] <yaoming> yes
[09:37] <yaoming> sometimes i can access some site like ubunt.com. sometimes i cant access it,i think ipv6 bug this
[09:38] <dooglus> when I close this laptop's lid, nothing happens other than that the wireless connection gets broken.  can I stop it trying to hibernate or whatever it tries to do?
[09:38] <dooglus> sorry. thought I was in
[09:38] <dooglus> #ubuntu
[09:39] <yaoming> i have found #ubuntu ,thanks
[09:41] <dholbach> good morning
[09:41] <zakame> hi dholbach
[09:41] <dholbach> hey zakame :)
[09:44] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[09:45] <dholbach> hey reinhard
[10:05] <\sh> now...good morning
[10:09] <zakame> hi \sh :D
[10:09] <siretart> hey \sh
[10:11] <\sh> siretart: kathrin is fine?
[10:12] <\sh> grmpf...I have to check now the archives for successfull builds
[10:14] <siretart> \sh: yes, she got a bit hurt by the accident, but she is more or less fine
[10:15] <siretart> \sh: she is quite stressed on her nerves, because she has to hold a lessen in class (9th grade) about databases
[10:15] <siretart> and her prof wasn't too supportive :/
[10:16] <\sh> ah..that's really bad...
[10:16] <zakame> awww
[10:17] <\sh> moins ogra
[10:17] <zakame> hi ogra
[10:18] <siretart> hey ogra. morning Fuddl!
[10:19] <siretart> Fuddl: how's uni? ;)
[10:20] <siretart> \sh: re: imap server
[10:20] <siretart> \sh: I'd like to use courier, because I know him better, lets evalute that with shared folders
[10:20] <\sh> siretart: yes...imap server...I need a public folder
[10:20] <siretart> \sh: the problem with that: courier expects mails in ~/Maildir in Maildir format
[10:21] <siretart> \sh: currently exim delivers all mail to /var/mail/$user in mbox format
[10:21] <siretart> I could change this, but this would break mail for ALL users
[10:21] <\sh> siretart: but there must be a delivering agent for this...
[10:21] <siretart> so I'd suggest that we require the users to setup a procmailrc
[10:21] <siretart> is this fine for you?
[10:21] <\sh> siretart: cyrus has as well a delivery agent for other mtas...to push mails from mta stdin to imap db
[10:21] <\sh> siretart: there is only one :)
[10:22] <siretart> \sh: I know courier, too. thats the same problem
[10:22] <\sh> i need only an exim rule which pushes all incoming mail of one account into courier
[10:22] <\sh> shared folder
[10:22] <siretart> \sh: only that for Maildir, we can use procmail as delivery agent. for cyrus, we'd need the cyrus delivery agent additionally
[10:23] <siretart> \sh: courier works on maildirs
[10:23] <siretart> \sh: shared folders in courier are implemented using symlinks
[10:23] <siretart> \sh: Maildirs are locking and thread safe, so thats not a concern
[10:23] <siretart> the concern is security and access rights. this is resolved by filesystem
[10:23] <siretart> there is no such nice acls like in cyrus
[10:23] <\sh> siretart: ok...can we use a special account for this? we will subscribe this user to universe-bugs and I want to have access with a programm on it..nobpdy else
[10:24] <siretart> do we need that?
[10:24] <siretart> \sh: that would be not much of a problem. I'm currently investigating if I should install a courier or cyrus
[10:24] <siretart> \sh: but if I understand you correctly, I think cyrus would fit better, I think..
[10:25] <\sh> siretart: i don't mind..I only need a mailspool which I can access via imap :)
[10:25] <siretart> I see.
[10:25] <Fuddl> hi there!
[10:25] <siretart> \sh: cyrus makes it easier to implement virtual users
[10:26] <Fuddl> siretart: let's say it was "a hard ride" to get here ;)
[10:26] <siretart> Fuddl: hey, the streets are terrible
[10:27] <siretart> its snowing here.. hard!
[10:27] <dholbach> here too :-D
[10:27] <Fuddl> siretart: huh? where are you? still at home?
 Launchpad will be going down in 30 mins. Downtime estimate is 45 mins total. Wikis will be read only.
[10:31] <siretart> Fuddl: yes, I'll stay at home for today
[10:33] <Fuddl> siretart: and you say it snows in nuernberg? hm... hopefully there's some snow left for feucht :)
[10:34] <siretart> Fuddl: I just got home, I was at kathrin over the night
[10:35] <Fuddl> siretart: is she ok?
[10:36] <Fuddl> (... i ask because of that idiot...)
[10:36] <siretart> Fuddl: she is generally fine, yes
[10:37] <Fuddl> phu, that's good to hear. when that dump ass crashed into my scooter everything hurt they day after that accident
[10:38] <siretart> Fuddl: I can imagine
[10:38] <siretart> Fuddl: she is at school now, holding a lesson
[10:42] <Fuddl> siretart: hehe, that means she's NOT fine at the moment *ggg*
[10:43] <StevenK> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, GLw support has been disabled.
[10:43] <slomo> GLw?
[10:44] <siretart> Fuddl: sort of, yes ;)
[10:44] <StevenK> I have no idea what it is, I just know the merge I'm trying to use requires it for building.
[11:25] <doko> ajmitch: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11097 that's rather old ...
[11:25] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug #11097: CXX transition: freefem Product: Ubuntu, Component: UNKNOWN, Severity: enhancement, Assigned to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Status: UNCONFIRMED http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11097
[11:28] <\sh> doko: did u have a look on some packages I made if everything is correct?
[11:31] <ogra> \sh, if its not, you should get bugs anyway ;)
[11:31] <\sh> ogra: I want to avoid bugs...that's why I ask a pro :)
[11:31] <doko> \sh: no
[11:32] <ogra> \sh, we have 1 month more for bugfixing this release cycle ;)
[11:33] <\sh> ogra: yes..and we have finally 500 packages to go...and I don't want to make a mistake and bugfix it the other day...we ... do ... not ... have ... time ...
[11:34] <ogra> these 500 packages have to be done latest by feature freeze ... you'll be bored the rest of the release if you dont have bugs to fix ;)
[11:34] <ogra> (indeed i'm not serious)
[11:34] <\sh> ogra: oh no...I'll have some nice projects...glpbugs is one of them :)
[11:35] <ogra> oh, you plan to start working on dapper+1 stuff ?
[11:36] <\sh> ogra: yes..development stuff yes
[11:36] <doko> why 500 packages?
[11:36] <\sh> doko: merges
[11:36] <doko> ahh
[11:36] <\sh> doko: http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=fixed
[11:37] <\sh> only 145 packages so far done
[11:37] <siretart> w00t!
[11:37] <siretart> my bad, I misread
[11:37] <\sh> 100 packages in assigned status but not done
[11:37] <ogra> Total 185 packages says the page
[11:37] <siretart> I read only 145 left. sorry
[11:37] <\sh> 420 packages including cxx and merges to be done
[11:38] <\sh> uh i misread :)
[11:38] <ajmitch> hm, gnue-common didn't show on the list
[11:38] <ajmitch> but it was only a few days between debian upload & ubuntu sync
[11:39] <ajmitch> doko: yes, it is rather old, not sure why it slipped through
[11:39] <doko> \sh: you may want to add to this site, that people look first for syncing/merging the CXX stuff from unstable
[11:41] <\sh> doko: well..most of the people were reading it...and we marked all cxx stuff explicitly...so if there is a merge open which has to be transitioned as well...they know what to do :)
[12:25] <ajmitch> sleep time, night all
[12:27] <ogra> night ajmitch
[12:28] <siretart> gn8 ajmitch
[12:34] <chillywilly> got my Ubuntu CDs
[12:34] <chillywilly> makes me want to do a fresh install ;P
[02:27] <colinl> hi!
[02:28] <colinl> Lathiat: anything blocking about the updates I sent you yesterday by mail, or is it just lack of time?
[02:29] <Lathiat> colinl: havent looked at them yet, will do tonight
[02:29] <colinl> ok, thanks
[02:29] <Lathiat> nps
[02:37] <zakame> hi
[03:18] <zakame> hmmm, just to make sure, but are python packages to be set with Architecture: all, or any?
[03:19] <zakame> I notice eyed3 builds as python-eyed3-*_all in ubuntu, but not in debian
[03:23] <Lathiat> it does depend on the package
[03:26] <zakame> well, I noticed that on the last ubuntu change, eyed3 switched b-d's to b-d-i's, and arch: all
[03:26] <zakame> hi Fuddl
[04:26] <zakame> wb Nafallo
[04:29] <Nafallo> thanx
[04:45] <bradb> Hey all.
[04:45] <dholbach> hey brad
[04:45] <bradb> hey dholbach
[04:45] <bradb> Just thought I'd let you guys know that bugmail now has an X-Launchpad-Bug header, to help you build bugmail filters.
[04:46] <dholbach> i unmoderated universe-bugs@ :)
[04:46] <dholbach> and it doesn't seem to be spammed heavily, so i'm quite happy for the moment :)
[04:46] <bradb> cool
[04:47] <bradb> An example of what they look like is shown here: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/InitialBugContacts
[04:50] <dholbach> BugContacts - cooooool :)
[04:51] <dholbach> :)))
[04:51] <dholbach> man it was hugday yesterday :)
[04:51] <bradb> why was that?
[04:52] <ogra> because dholbach is a hugger :p
[04:52] <dholbach> because a bug day would have been too boring ;)
[04:52] <dholbach> we hugged people for every bug they closed successfully
[04:52] <dholbach> (we invited the community to help out with bug triage)
[04:52] <dholbach> which was great
[04:53] <bradb> heh, interesting idea
[04:58] <dholbach> hi hub_
[04:58] <\sh> bradb: btw...can I put more LP commands in one mail to malone? so affects /distros/ubuntu/package1 ... affects /distros/ubuntu/package2 ?
[04:58] <hub_> hi
[04:58] <dholbach> who wants to be in the desktop team meeting, ... #ubuntu-meeting in two minutes :)
[04:59] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:59] <Nafallo> might be fun reading...
[05:01] <bradb> \sh: god question. I believe it's intended to work that way, but I'll have to ask BjornT to see if it actually does work that way currently.
[05:01] <bradb> s/god/good/
[05:02] <hub_> sorry I'm a tad busy and the laptop is still the suck
[05:02] <hub_> I haven't finished unpacking
[05:06] <bradb> \sh_away: According to BjornT, yes, you can use affects multiple times (only one bug report would be opened, but on multiple packages)
[06:07] <\sh> re
[06:49] <bipolar> is anyone here maintaining updated mono packages?
[06:50] <bipolar> some update in ubuntu just broke the binaries from mono-project.com
[06:50] <jpatrick> \sh: could you look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1013 please?
[06:50] <dholbach> i'm not involved in mono, but bipolar: what is the problem *exactly*?
[06:51] <bipolar> dholbach, monodevelop won't start at all. "** ERROR **: file handles.c: line 564 (_wapi_lookup_handle): assertion failed: (shared_handle_data->type == type)
[06:52] <\sh> bipolar: tseng? slomo?
[06:52] <tseng> < bipolar> some update in ubuntu just broke the binaries from mono-project.com
[06:52] <tseng> please dont mix random binaries
[06:52] <slomo> what binaries?
[06:52] <dholbach> oh yeah, i misread
[06:52] <dholbach> mono-project.com is something different
[06:53] <dholbach> if we tried to care about all the binary stuff in the world, we wouldn't move :(
[06:53] <bipolar> tseng, this is not a random binary. it's the releases from the mono project. They install in a seperate directory and are self contained.
[06:53] <\sh> tseng: oh sorry..i misread
[06:54] <tseng> I dont care who released it
[06:54] <tseng> it didnt come from ubuntu, we cant possibly be expected to test it etc
[06:54] <tseng> sorry.
[06:54] <\sh> jpatrick: looks quite ok..but I can't build right now...no kdelibs4c2 around :)
[06:54] <bipolar> nice. the ubuntu packages are so far out of date that they won't run monodevelop .9
[06:54] <tseng> we have very well maintained mono packages *in* ubuntu
[06:54] <tseng> if you want support please use them
[06:55] <bipolar> sorry. I have work to do. I can't wait for the mono packages to catch up
[06:55] <jpatrick> \sh: okay :)
[06:55] <pef> hello
[06:55] <slomo> bipolar: paste the backtrace or whatever somewhere and we may look at it
[06:55] <\sh> jpatrick: punch riddell to fix kde :)
[06:56] <bipolar> sure. I'll put everything in pastbin.
[06:56] <jpatrick> \sh: he's busy with the RC2
[06:56] <pef> just a question about current merges/sync on Universe, should a sync/merge only contains differences from Debian's version ? is it allowed to make others minor changes like bumping Standards-Version or something like this ?
[06:56] <\sh> jpatrick: i know :)
[06:56] <slomo> bipolar: and we're not out of date... we actually have monodevelop 0.9 packages since today ;)
[06:56] <jpatrick> \sh: I've also updated the kxdocker: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1023
[06:56] <bipolar> slomo, in breezy or dapper?
[06:57] <tseng> slomo: i think he is using breezy and misunderstands the processs
[06:57] <dholbach> breezy is released
[06:57] <dholbach> there are only important (like security) updated going in there
[06:57] <bipolar> yes. I am using breezy. if I have to upgrade to dapper to get updated packages I'll have to weigh all pros/cons of possible breakage.
[06:57] <tseng> or you could help out with backporting
[06:58] <slomo> well... there exist the backports... and we plan to get all the mono stuff backportedn soon
[06:58] <bipolar> I guess mono is just moving too fast.
[06:58] <\sh> jpatrick: if/when kdelibs is available again...then I can rebuild all kde stuff I have on my list...even the NEW ones :)
[06:58] <tseng> \sh: you are nuts :)
[06:59] <\sh> tseng: believe me when I say I'm doing merges and transitions at the same time...in 8 windows
[06:59] <\sh> tseng: plus filing bugs :)
[06:59] <tseng> i do believe you
[06:59] <pef> hello dholbach \sh
[06:59] <dholbach> hey pef :)
[06:59] <jpatrick> \sh: I think line 61 in the rules is wrong
[06:59] <\sh> i need only a quad intel cpu for one pbuilder for each cpu :)
[07:00] <tseng> boggle php5.1
[07:00] <bipolar> OH! you lousy POS
[07:00] <pef> dholbach: how are you ?
[07:00] <dholbach> pef: i'm fine :)
[07:00] <dholbach> pef: doing c++ transition stuff in main
[07:00] <dholbach> bipolar: tell me if it helps
[07:01] <pef> dholbach: it means lot of packages
[07:01] <bipolar> dholbach, it seems it was a path conflict.
[07:01] <dholbach> pef: not so very much in main
[07:01] <bipolar> dholbach, I was getting all bent out of shape for nothing. :\
[07:01] <\sh> dholbach: if u need some help for main crap...please tell...same applies to ogra
[07:01] <pef> dholbach: what's your opinion on my question about merges/sync ?
[07:02] <dholbach> bipolar: not to be rude or anything, but i'd have appreciated it, if you'd had been less upset, when you came here :)
[07:02] <ogra> \sh, kdeedu/games stuff might be something i'll ask you qeustions about...
[07:02] <bipolar> dholbach, yes. I'm sorry. I'm just really busy and frustrated.
[07:02] <dholbach> \sh: i didn't get that much assigned, i guess i'm fine, but thanks :)
[07:03] <\sh> ogra: see my comment on jpatrick...kde is not buildable right now...we're waiting for 3.5rc2 and riddell is fixing it..nasty cups stuff
[07:03] <ogra> \sh, i know
[07:03] <dholbach> pef: keep the delta slim, yes :)
[07:03] <bipolar> dholbach, I'll triple check everything on my end if this happens again.
[07:03] <\sh> ogra: to be honest...i have a couple of packages assigned to me...which needs badly kde :)
[07:03] <dholbach> bipolar: no, it's perfectly fine, to make mistakes :)
[07:03] <pef> dholbach: ok, thanks :)
[07:04] <ogra> \sh, i'm not in a hurry (yet)
[07:04] <\sh> ogra: but I...check the list and u know why
[07:04] <\sh> and I love siretart...only to mention this here...his fetchpackage script is awesom :)
[07:04] <\sh> e
[07:05] <\sh> and buildlogs of my current builds: http://motuhome.homelinux.net
[07:16] <Kyral> hey all
[07:16] <dholbach> hi Kyral
[07:16] <Kyral> How was everyone's holiday (if you were on holiday?)
[07:17] <Kyral> ah
[07:17] <dholbach> how was yours?
[07:17] <Kyral> Good
[07:17] <Kyral> I went from eating college food to eating food made by my grandma :D
[07:18] <dholbach> wow, that's an improvement :)
[07:18] <Kyral> Yah
[07:18] <Kyral> I go back to school on Sunday
[07:18] <Kyral> that also means bugfixing and other Ubuntu stuffs
[07:18] <Kyral> not that I can do much on this laptop
[07:20] <herve> hello
[07:23] <\sh> moins herve
[07:27] <dholbach> hey herve :)
[07:30] <herve> houba !
[07:34] <yosch> hi guys, anyone know how I would force removal of a non-empty folder in a postrm?
[07:35] <ogra> you dont
[07:36] <yosch> well it's to remove an empty font cache in a font subfolder, nothing else is in there
[07:37] <yosch> fixes an apt-get warning
[07:38] <yosch> it's problematic for font caches, try and uninstall a font package for example
[07:38] <ogra> if the file belongs to this package, remove this file ... if the dir belongs to this package and nothing else has put anything into it, it should go away with the purge argument anyway
[07:39] <yosch> purge is what I need then?
[07:39] <ogra> for font.cache it migh be enough to just update the font cache
[07:39] <ogra> purge is a user action, you cant force it
[07:39] <yosch> yes, right
[07:40] <ogra> try running fc-cache in the postinst of the package, i'm not sure but it might remove the font.cache file in the empty dir
[07:41] <ogra> look at the font packages that behave sanely and just d whats done there ;(
[07:42] <ogra> s/;(/;)/
[07:42] <yosch> not it doesn't get rid of the subcache, which means all the previously installed fonts still leave a /usr/share/fonts/<ttf-foundry-name>/fonts.cache-1
[07:42] <yosch> my point is I don't think many behave sanely is that regard
[07:43] <yosch> you try the fonts out and they leave directories behind for no good reason
[07:43] <ogra> you dont think *many* or you do think *all* ? :)
[07:43] <pef> dholbach: have you a minute ?
[07:43] <dholbach> sure
[07:43] <yosch> sorry I meant /usr/share/fonts/truetype/<ttf-foundry-name>/fonts.cache-1
[07:44] <yosch> I'm mainly focusing on truetypes now and they all seem to have that behaviour
[07:44] <ogra> try to find one that behaves different then ;)
[07:44] <pef> dholbach: when upload a new revision of a package, I should use only use debuild -s, not debuild -s -Sa
[07:44] <dholbach> -S -sa (if you mean new upstream version)
[07:45] <pef> dholbach: I mean I do a sync from Debian
[07:45] <dholbach> if it has a new .orig.tar.gz, yes
[07:45] <dholbach> no matter where it comes from
[07:45] <dholbach> new .orig.tar.gz   ->  debuild -S -sa (... other options)
[07:46] <ogra> but you surely mean a merge, syncs are done by elmo ;)
[07:46] <\sh> a new revision or a new version?
[07:46] <pef> \sh: new revision
[07:46] <\sh> 0.1.2-3 where 3 is revision
[07:46] <\sh> and 0.1.2 is the version
[07:46] <pef> yep, new version
[07:47] <\sh> new revision == no new orig.tar.gz
[07:47] <yosch> haven't found any bevahing differently
[07:47] <\sh> new version == new orig.tar.gz which means debuild -S -sa
[07:47] <\sh> whereas new revision == debuild -S
[07:47] <dholbach> pef: wihch version do we have?
[07:48] <pef> 0.6.2-3ubuntu1 in Ubuntu, 0.6-3 in debian
[07:48] <yosch> sorry s/bevahing/behaving/g
[07:48] <ogra> yosch, try playing with fc-cache in the postrm ...
[07:48] <pef> so I need to upload the 0.6.3.orig tarball, right ?
[07:48] <dholbach> pef: did you get the numbers right?
[07:49] <\sh> me too
[07:49] <pef> 0.6.3-4 sorry :)
[07:49] <dholbach> yeah, so it's a new orig.tar.gz for ubuntu
[07:49] <\sh> pef: debian == 0.6.3-4?
[07:49] <dholbach> debuild -S -sa is right
[07:49] <pef> \sh: yes
[07:49] <\sh> pef: and what did u change?
[07:50] <pef> \sh: lasso source package
[07:50] <\sh> pef: are the changes nescessary?
[07:50] <pef> \sh: one line on debian/control
[07:50] <\sh> pef: which line?
[07:50] <\sh> standards-version?
[07:51] <pef> \sh: -Depends: phpapi-20020918  becomes ${shlibs:Depends} and  add ${php:Depends}
[07:52] <\sh> pef: and substvar php: is in the rules defined or in a .substvar file?
[07:53] <pef> \sh: .subvar file
[07:54] <\sh> hmmm..
[07:54] <\sh> pef: for php4 or php5?
[07:54] <pef> php4
[07:55] <Gazer> hi, One of my packages in REVU was accepted in Debian and is in Sid now. I think it could be removed from REVU and sync from debian.
[07:57] <\sh> pef_aw: hmm...check php4-auth-pam as example...
[07:57] <\sh> pef_aw: the rules file
[08:11] <aa_> hi :)
[08:11] <\sh> anyone with a powerpc online? and can check if /usr/include/wx/platform.h:85:22: error: wx/setup.h: No such file or directory in libwxgtk2.4-dev is correct?
[08:17] <herve> bye
[08:21] <slomo> \sh: i'll check... mom
[08:21] <\sh> slomo: thx man :)
[08:23] <slomo> /usr/lib/wx/include/gtk-2.4/wx/setup.h
[08:24] <slomo> \sh: exists
[08:24] <\sh> hmmm..
[08:24] <\sh> which version of libwxgtk2.4? dappers?
[08:24] <slomo> sure
[08:24] <\sh> strange
[08:24] <\sh> slomo: check this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/c/ctsim/4.4.2-1ubuntu1/ctsim_4.4.2-1ubuntu1_20051125-1847-powerpc-failed.gz
[08:28] <slomo> \sh: i'll write it on my todo list
[08:28] <\sh> slomo: it's strange isn't it?
[08:28] <\sh> everything is fine, just not the ppc
[08:28] <\sh> and it's not even an issue in ctsim
[08:29] <\sh> In file included from /usr/include/wx/defs.h:19,
[08:29] <\sh>                  from /usr/include/wx/wxprec.h:13,
[08:29] <\sh> this is not the same include path u told me
[08:30] <\sh> Setting up libwxgtk2.4-1 (<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1) ...
[08:30] <\sh> Setting up wx2.4-headers (<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1) ...
[08:30] <\sh> Setting up libwxgtk2.4-dev (<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1) ...
[08:30] <slomo> \sh: no... it's not strange ;) -I/usr/lib/wx/include/gtk-2.4 is missing imho
[08:30] <\sh> these are the packages
[08:30] <\sh> but only on ppc
[08:30] <slomo> hmm
[08:30] <\sh> i386, amd64 are fine
[08:31] <slomo> ok, it's on top of my todo list now =)
[08:32] <\sh> hehehe
[08:32] <\sh> I owe u one :)
[08:32] <\sh> or more?
[08:32] <ajmitch> hi
[08:33] <slomo> \sh: one is fine, thanks :)
[08:33] <slomo> hi ajmitch
[08:33] <\sh> slomo: k :)
[08:34] <slomo> buy a mac mini... it's small, silent and has more power than my ibook ;)
[08:34] <ajmitch> slomo: probably a good idea :)
[08:35] <ajmitch> stack a few of them up as a build cluster ;)
[08:35] <slomo> ajmitch: hm, actually a very good idea ;) who has the money?
[08:35] <ajmitch> not me!
[08:36] <ajmitch> I see \sh is singlehandedly doing all the merges himself
[08:36] <\sh> hehe..and transitions
[08:36] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:36] <ajmitch> you scare me ;)
[08:37] <\sh> I scare myself more then I scare u :)
[08:37] <ajmitch> haha
[08:39] <slomo> \sh: at least i can reproduce the problem ;) hmm
[08:39] <\sh> slomo: hmmm....
[08:40] <slomo> \sh: want a clean fix or a hack? ;)
[08:40] <\sh> slomo: something wrong in the wxgtk package?
[08:40] <slomo> \sh: i guess it will compile fine when i add the correct include path to CFLAGS
[08:40] <\sh> I would bet it's the wxgtk package
[08:41] <\sh> but only for ppc :) the others are fine :)
[08:41] <slomo> i don't like wx ;)
[08:42] <\sh> well...lets put a CFLAGS line for ppc and reupload
[08:42] <slomo> i'm trying that now
[08:42] <\sh> dirty hacks are my speciality..."at least it works(tm)"
[08:42] <\sh> i need really a small pause
[08:48] <thierry> is it normal that in package gnome-panel-data, there's "DocPath= " and nothing after it?
[08:59] <yosch> ogra: thanks for your help I think my postrm works now, I'll be back tomorrow bye.
[09:02] <dholbach> thierry: you'd better ask that in #ubuntu-desktop
[09:26] <\sh> ok..new run
[10:35] <dholbach> have a nice weekend, motus!
[10:35] <Kyral> cya
[10:36] <Seveas> any motu alive for a noob question?
[10:36] <Kyral> How about a MOTUWannabe?
[10:36] <dholbach> fire away
[10:37] <Seveas> a package around libfoo.so.1.0.0 should be named libfoo1, right?
[10:37] <slomo> \sh: thanks for transition of dirac :)
[10:38] <\sh> slomo: you're welcome :)
[10:38] <Kyral> I am afraid how many Dapper updates will be waiting for me on Sunday
[10:38] <dholbach> Seveas: generally yes, but there is other stuff to be taken into account too
[10:38] <\sh> it was just on the list...in my way so to say :)
[10:38] <Seveas> dholbach, 'other stuff' for example?
[10:38] <dholbach> Seveas: like some versions of libraries are installable parallely, then you'll get a different versioning scheme
[10:38] <slomo> \sh: anyway... you have time for it... and i fight with some broken code ;)
[10:38] <Seveas> ah
[10:38] <Seveas> well, there is only one version of this lib :)
[10:38] <slomo> \sh: so thanks... i owe you a beer now :P
[10:39] <\sh> slomo: TIME???? I ... I have to clean my flat tomorrow :)
[10:39] <\sh> slomo: ok...u fix ctsim..:)
[10:39] <dholbach> Seveas: lintian will complain, if it doesnt agree with the versioning ;)
[10:39] <Seveas> check :)
[10:39] <slomo> \sh: i have to clean too tomorrow :P and i fix ctsim, yes... but it could take some time ;) currently i'm working on banshee
[10:39] <Seveas> thanks for the answers, the result will pop up in REVU tomorrow ;)
[10:40] <dholbach> good night guys
[10:40] <slomo> gn8 daniel :)
[10:40] <Seveas> night
[10:40] <\sh> slomo: don't worry..actually it's from the list...and bugfixing we can do after UVF/FF
[10:41] <slomo> \sh: well, i like to do hard stuff :)
[10:42] <\sh> slomo: hmm.u should work for my company :)
[10:42] <\sh> for former company..but this I will know just before xmas
[10:43] <\sh> s/for/or/
[10:58] <Kyral> Hey LJ
[10:59] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[11:00] <LaserJock> Kyral: how was the turkey?
[11:00] <Kyral> good :D
[11:02] <LaserJock> same here, and my birthday was on the 18th so I got some birthday cake too
[11:03] <Kyral> lol how old are you now?
[11:03] <\sh> slomo: you fixed banshee :)
[11:04] <slomo> \sh: not really... partially
[11:04] <LaserJock> Kyral: 24 now, I am kinda feeling old a little bit.  :P
[11:07] <\sh> it depends :)
[11:07] <LaserJock> well, I fell older than I am
[11:07] <\sh> sometimes yes..sometimes no
[11:07] <LaserJock> s/fell/feel/
[11:07] <LaserJock> it depends who you are around ;-)
[11:08] <\sh> with 24 I was responsible for over 10 ciscos and 5 companies depending on our company...:)
[11:08] <\sh> and our network
[11:09] <spacey> and now more responsibility or less? ;)
[11:09] <spacey> almost ready to be put away in old folks home
[11:09] <spacey> ;p
[11:09] <\sh> hmm..now I'm responsible for theoretically 4 million customers
[11:09] <spacey> ok
[11:09] <spacey> that sounds quite ok
[11:10] <spacey> or sounds like little sleep
[11:10] <\sh> yes..but I'm old in times of IT
[11:10] <\sh> spacey: don't remind me ... I'm waiting every single second for a call from the company..
[11:10] <spacey> ;)
[11:11] <\sh> and it's bloody windy outside and I don't want to walk to our NOC
[11:11] <spacey> aha, at least you live close by ;)
[11:12] <\sh> 30 mins walking
[11:12] <\sh> 10 mins biking
[11:13] <\sh> but my bike has flat tires..so walking :)
[11:15] <herve> re
[11:15] <\sh> re herve...where are the uploads? :)
[11:15] <herve> I made one a few days ago :-)
[11:15] <\sh> do more :)
[11:16] <\sh> just joking..how is life?
[11:16] <herve> no, you're right
[11:16] <herve> but, answering your second question
[11:16] <herve> life is busy
[11:17] <herve> I've got a big rush for releasing a new website design and a new major version
[11:17] <herve> plus a project ending at job
[11:17] <herve> so it's bugs bugs bugs + politics
[11:17] <\sh> oh well..sounds like fun :) just as in my company nowadays
[11:18] <herve> you're still enjoying your job?
[11:19] <\sh> the cable tv company? sure...but it looks like because of the merger with another company, that we will have some surprises before xmas...means it can be, that I'm going to be fired
[11:20] <\sh> because some people have to move from engineering to operations
[11:20] <\sh> and headcounts are counted...so one or two of my team have to leave the company....depending on the social status and the time being employed for this company...i'm a good candidate...
[11:21] <herve> find a job at deutsch telekom ;-)
[11:21] <\sh> herve: oh much better...
[11:21] <\sh> herve: they're firing as well
[11:21] <herve> yes, bad humour
[11:21] <herve> speaking of uploading
[11:21] <herve> may I fix easytag?
[11:22] <herve> its requiring a lib versionned before the allocator transition
[11:22] <\sh> herve: do what ever u want :) merge/transition? if so , file bugs against malone and the product
[11:23] <herve> for now I'd like to kill updatedb...
[11:23] <slomo> herve: hehe, i know that feeling ;)
[11:24] <\sh> hmmm...
[11:24] <\sh> do i merge the rest of letter "e" on the MoM list, or should I stop right now...
[11:25] <herve> slomo, and given that it started to bug me every day suddenly
[11:51] <Kyral> I haven't checked my mail since Tuesday...I'm kinda scared to see how much will be there on Sunday
[11:51] <herve> how many spam? :-)
[11:51] <Kyral> no
[11:51] <Kyral> how many from the MLs
[11:54] <\sh> Kyral: I think I spamed today the universe-bugs list
[11:54] <Kyral> lol
[11:54] <Kyral> This is why I have them going to my GMail Account :P
[11:55] <Kyral> unless you somehow generated over 2 GB worth :D
[11:55] <\sh> and dapper changes as well
[11:55] <Kyral> yah
[11:55] <Kyral> this is why I am dreading :P
[11:56] <Kyral> I'd wager over 1000 emails
[11:56] <Kyral> and all the Dapper updates themselves
[11:56] <Kyral> has a new X entered Dapper yet?
[11:57] <Kyral> If I had access to those I wouldn't ask
[11:59] <Kyral> well, I actually hadn't thought of packages.ubuntu.com
[12:00] <tseng> gmane.org?
[12:00] <Kyral> wazzat?
[12:00] <tseng> ...
[12:00] <Kyral> seriously
[12:00] <tseng> archives mailing lists
[12:00] <Kyral> ah
[12:00] <tseng> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/
[12:00] <tseng> but even better ^
[12:00] <Kyral> Oh I was just wondering
[12:01] <Kyral> I'll find out on Sunday
[12:01] <Kyral> if I really wanted to find out I would dist-upgrade this laptop