[14:01]  * sinzui looks about
[14:01] <sinzui> #startmeeting
[14:01] <sinzui> hello everyone and welcome to this week's ameu reviewers meeting.  who's here today?
[14:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:01. The chair is sinzui.
[14:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:02] <abentley> me
[14:02] <flacoste> me
[14:02] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[14:02] <sinzui> hmm, we may be an hour early
[14:02] <gary_poster> me
[14:02] <salgado> me
[14:02] <intellectronica> me
[14:02] <salgado> sinzui, I don't think so
[14:02] <henninge> me
[14:02] <al-maisan> me
[14:03] <deryck> me
[14:03] <henninge> danilo has a bed headache so he might not come.
[14:03] <adeuring> me
[14:03] <henninge> s/bed/bad/
[14:03] <henninge> dunno if he's in bed ...
[14:04] <sinzui> we all have laptops. I assume that some of you are attending this meeting from your bed in you pajamas
[14:05] <sinzui> [TOPIC] agenda
[14:05] <sinzui> * Roll call
[14:05] <sinzui> * Action items
[14:05] <sinzui> * UI review call update
[14:05] <sinzui> * Peanut gallery
[14:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[14:05] <intellectronica> pyjamas are a redundant nicety
[14:05] <sinzui> [Topic] Action items
[14:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action items
[14:05] <sinzui> * barry to get with mrevell on guidelines migration from old wiki to new
[14:05] <sinzui> ^ I do not think this has happened
[14:06] <mrevell> No, it hasn't. My apologies, it's still on my "to do"
[14:06] <sinzui> mrevell: thanks
[14:06] <sinzui> I will keep it on the agrenda
[14:06] <sinzui> * intellectronica and barry to draft guidelines for drive-by cleanups
[14:06] <intellectronica> sorry, i didn't find the time to do this. please keep it on the list, i will do it next week when there's a bit more time
[14:06] <sinzui> I will
[14:06] <sinzui> [Topic] UI review call update
[14:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  UI review call update
[14:07] <sinzui> Gosh this weeks meeting was pretty quick.
[14:08] <intellectronica> yeah, the only interesting item was about helping developers get up to speed with integrating widgets
[14:08] <intellectronica> we decided to talk to tim, who reported some difficulties and has started documenting the process
[14:09] <intellectronica> if any developer still hasn't done any integration work for lazr js widgets, and wants some help and/or wants to help documenting the steps they take, you are most welcome
[14:09] <sinzui> thanks intellectronica.
[14:10] <sinzui> [Topic] Peanut gallery
[14:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Peanut gallery
[14:10] <intellectronica> b.t.w francis regularly sends meeting notes for that call now. do we really need this section in this meeting?
[14:10] <sinzui> Indeed I was looking at those notes
[14:11] <sinzui> I think we are only concerned that the team is reading them
[14:11] <intellectronica> we can do a quiz
[14:12] <sinzui> lightning reviews of the week that was
[14:12] <intellectronica> thanks sinzui, you should always chair ;)
[14:12] <sinzui> I'll bring this matter up with the antipodeans.
[14:13] <sinzui> As I think about all the talent whose attention I assume I have, I want advice on how to test something I have seen in reviews.
[14:13] <allenap> me
[14:14] <sinzui> I do not like story tests that verify a link it not present; they are not a part of the story
[14:15] <sinzui> We have tales formatters that ensure the links is rendered correctly (or not at all) and we have permission decorators for links
[14:15] <sinzui> So as long as the link is defined correctly and the approved formatter is used, I do not want to vague test that some user does not see the link...
[14:16] <sinzui> But there is a problem with out links and views that we are *not* tesing
[14:16] <sinzui> lp.testing.menu has a helper that will verify all the links in the menu have a view. During the 3.0 release I found many that did not!
[14:17] <sinzui> I used the helper to find and remove the bad links
[14:17] <sinzui> Last week I found a new problem that I do not know how to test...
[14:17] <sinzui> We have links and views that disagree about permission.
[14:18] <sinzui> eg. the link is public, the view is edit.
[14:19] <sinzui> in my case, though, there was a companion view that as launchpad.View. I had to audit many links and views.
[14:19] <sinzui> Q: Is it possible to test that a link and its view have the same permission?
[14:19]  * sinzui thanks everyone for their patience
[14:21] <adeuring> sinzui: perhaps I'm missing your point why tests for non-existence in stories are bad (for yure they are noisy), but they can ensure that the right permission decorator is used.
[14:21] <adeuring> ...non-existience of links...
[14:21] <sinzui> adeuring: checking for non-existence in a story is wrong.
[14:23] <adeuring> sinzui:  where else would you do do this test?
[14:23] <sinzui> adeuring: we can test the links elsewhere. in fact, the menu helper could be used to verify all links for permission, but that will not help with the link to view permission
[14:24] <sinzui> adeuring: testing contract and implementation details belong in browser/tests
[14:24] <adeuring> ok
[14:24] <intellectronica> sinzui: i think i understand why you dislike testing this kind of stuff in stories, but you should consider the benefits. i think they outweigh the problems with this approach
[14:25] <intellectronica> doctests are easier to write and read, and most importantly much much easier to maintain, because they include a lot more context
[14:25] <sinzui> The testrbowser is not testing tales, and stories should not know about markup.
[14:25] <intellectronica> sinzui: why?
[14:26] <sinzui> intellectronica: browser/tests can be unit or doc they can even employ the test browser.
[14:26] <intellectronica> sinzui: that's going back to the chaos we had before the tree re-org
[14:27] <sinzui> intellectronica: Stories are integration tests that verify that a user can traverse many pages to accomplish a task. it is slow and labourious to use it to test details that have many factors at play at a high level
[14:28] <intellectronica> sinzui: is this about the time it takes to run the test suite?
[14:28] <sinzui> intellectronica: We still have chaos since we have developer writing form contract testing in stories
[14:28] <sinzui> intellectronica: no, it is about knowing what we are testing and how we test it
[14:29] <intellectronica> sinzui: but placing the files in a certain place or writing them in a particular format doesn't buy you confidence that you're testing what you need to
[14:29] <sinzui> intellectronica: you misunderstand me.
[14:30] <flacoste> sinzui: regarding the discrepancy in permission between links and views, it's usually on-purpose, the link is public but the view protected so that the user can see the link, but is asked to log in
[14:30] <sinzui> Testing the rules of a link or a form are best done in isolation where you control that is happen.
[14:30] <flacoste> sinzui: it's only a problem if the user is logged in and has permission to the link and not the view
[14:31] <sinzui> flacoste: after discovering the link issue, I tried the links in production. I got a 403
[14:33] <sinzui> flacoste: I understand your point. I think the approach to invite users to explore a feature is fine
[14:33] <flacoste> right
[14:35] <sinzui> Well I do not think there is any more to say on this.
[14:35] <intellectronica> sinzui: maybe this is a good topic for the list? i really think that i don't understand the motivation behind your argument, so i could use a for-dummies explanation
[14:36] <sinzui> intellectronica: I will. I can get examples
[14:36] <intellectronica> sinzui: thanks
[14:37] <sinzui> Does anyone else have an issue to announce/discuss
[14:37] <sinzui> 5
[14:37] <sinzui> 4
[14:37] <sinzui> 3
[14:37] <sinzui> 2
[14:37] <sinzui> 1
[14:38] <sinzui> thank you everyone.
[14:38] <sinzui> #endmeeting
[14:38] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:38.
[21:12] <sinzui> sorry
[21:13]  * sinzui was distracted
[21:13] <sinzui> who wants to talk about reviews?
[21:13] <rockstar> sinzui, :)
[21:14] <mwhudson> hi
[21:14] <rockstar> thumper, wgrant, hi
[21:14] <sinzui> #startmeeting
[21:14] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:14. The chair is sinzui.
[21:14] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:14] <thumper> reviewer meeting?
[21:14] <sinzui>  hello everyone and welcome to this week's antipodean  reviewers meeting.  who's here today?
[21:14]  * rockstar is
[21:15] <mwhudson> i am here
[21:15]  * sinzui thinks everyone who will attend has spoken
[21:15] <thumper> me
[21:15] <sinzui> [TOPIC] agenda
[21:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[21:15] <sinzui> * Roll call
[21:15] <sinzui> * Action items
[21:15] <sinzui> * UI review call update
[21:15] <sinzui> * Peanut gallery
[21:16] <sinzui> [Topic] Action items
[21:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action items
[21:16] <sinzui> * barry to get with mrevell on guidelines migration from old wiki to new
[21:16] <sinzui> ^ Not done yet
[21:16] <sinzui> * intellectronica and barry to draft guidelines for drive-by cleanups
[21:16] <sinzui> ^ Not done yet
[21:16] <sinzui> [Topic] UI review call update
[21:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  UI review call update
[21:16]  * sinzui looks for trascript
[21:16] <sinzui> intellectronica: yeah, the only interesting item was about helping developers get up to speed with integrating widgets
[21:17] <sinzui> intellectronica: we decided to talk to tim, who reported some difficulties and has started documenting the process
[21:17] <sinzui> intellectronica: if any developer still hasn't done any integration work for lazr js widgets, and wants some help and/or wants to help documenting the steps they take, you are most welcome
[21:17] <sinzui> Since the UI meeting is producing notes for all of us to read, do we need a weekly update in this meeting?
[21:17] <thumper> sinzui: intellectronica tried, but I was busy :)
[21:18] <rockstar> sinzui, I think lazr-js could use more documentation in general.
[21:19] <sinzui> I think documentation and lack of leadership was a concern for other canonical groups when they were told of use it
[21:19] <rockstar> sinzui, so does lazr-js need a leader?
[21:19] <sinzui> beuno: quickly recovered by inviting landscape and U1 people to the lazr-js sprint
[21:20] <sinzui> rockstar: Without a sense of who is guiding it, many potential contributors are hesitant to join
[21:21] <sinzui> moving on
[21:21] <sinzui> [Topic] Peanut gallery
[21:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Peanut gallery
[21:21]  * thumper throws a peanut at sinzui
[21:22] <sinzui> I brought up the topic of menu and link testing. I do not like the testing that link is not present in a story
[21:22] <sinzui> The matter was complicated by a subdiscussions about where and what we test
[21:22] <mwhudson> we test far too much in stories, yes
[21:23] <mwhudson> sinzui: i notice that registry has far more tests in browser/tests these days
[21:24] <sinzui> We are doing a lot of view tests since we have a tremendous number of them
[21:24] <sinzui> Menus are defines in browser, so that is where I expect to so verification of link permissions, state, etc...
[21:25] <mwhudson> yep, i think it's a good thing
[21:25] <sinzui> I think I need to take my concerns to the dev list.
[21:25] <mwhudson> this reviewers meeting has a slightly different approach to testing than the other one sometimes :-)
[21:25] <sinzui> I am certain of two things. We have links to views that do not exist. We have links with permissions different from the view it links to
[21:26] <mwhudson> seems likely
[21:27] <sinzui> Gentleman, do you have any concerns that we should be discussing?
[21:27] <sinzui> 5
[21:28] <mwhudson> nope
[21:28] <thumper> nope
[21:28] <sinzui> 4
[21:28] <sinzui> 3
[21:28] <sinzui> 2
[21:28] <sinzui> 1
[21:28] <sinzui> thank you gentleman. I will compile the transcripts
[21:28] <mwhudson> thanks sinzui
[21:29] <sinzui> #endmeeting
[21:29] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:29.


[11:52] <xubuntu16w> Hi i havr a prob when xubuntu normally start i see the icons very large, and when i try to change settings i can t. I try to restore an old configuration and it work normally, but when i start it normally again it work not good. Wht i have to do to restore permanently the oldone? Thanks
[11:57] <xubuntu16w> Oi??
[12:04] <xubuntu16w> None in the room he can help me?
[12:06] <diogenes_> xubuntu16w, ?
[14:56] <xubuntu89w> hi
[14:56] <xubuntu89w> hi
[14:56] <xubuntu89w> i need some help
[18:24] <willie> How do I update from 16.04.4 to 18.04? Neither Software Updater nor sudo apt dist-upgrade do anything
[18:25] <diogenes_> add -d to the end
[18:30] <willie> Same result with -d: dalebert@dalebert-L15WB:~$ sudo apt dist-upgrade -d Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. dalebert@dalebert-L15WB:~$ sudo apt dist-upgrade -d
[18:31] <diogenes_> i'd better go for re-installation
[18:31] <diogenes_> much better
[18:31] <mrkramps> do-release-upgrade
[19:24] <willie> Checking for a new Ubuntu release No new release found.
[19:30] <nomenon> lol
[21:55] <xubuntu88d> Hello. I'm in Xubuntu. I have installed CUDA 9-0 and when reboot I got a black screen. I have entered in protected mode and I'm trying to get rif of nvidia driver. I cannot install noting because apt install stacks with this message: "You might want to run 'apt --fix-broken install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies:  cuda-drivers : Depends: nvidia-396 (>= 396.26) but it is not going to be installed"
[21:57] <xubuntu88d> Someone have any suggestion? If I try to "sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia" the same message appear
[22:03] <nomenon> try apt --fix-broken install
[22:08] <xubuntu88d> Thank for answering. I got this: "Unpacking nvidia-396 (396.26-0ubuntu1) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-396_396.26-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):  trying to overwrite '/lib/udev/rules.d/71-nvidia.rules', which is also in package nvidia-kernel-common-390 390.67-0ubuntu0~gpu18.04.1 dpkg-deb: error: paste subprocess was killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/c
[22:09] <mrkramps> xubuntu88d, you have to force overwriting this file
[22:10] <mrkramps> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-396_396.26-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[22:11] <mrkramps> followed by: sudo apt-get install -f
[22:12] <xubuntu88d> thank you. I will force the overwrite
[22:16] <xubuntu88d> mrkramps, I got some warning, but everthing went well with the overwriting.
[22:17] <mrkramps> xubuntu88d, good … package manager should be back working
[22:18] <xubuntu88d> Yes, yes, I just tried to install synaptic and it worked fine. I will reboot and hope I can enter the normal mode again. Thank you very much, mrkramps
[22:18] <mrkramps> you're welcome
[22:25] <xubuntu88d> mrkramps, I have entered normally to Xubuntu! With the commands you gave me, the packages manager was able this time to install drivers correclty. Thank again. It wasmy first time in this IRC, following the Xubuntu Help suggestion. Honesltly I was a bit frustated after one day of installations going fine. Thanks
[22:26] <mrkramps> no problem


[03:19] <n2diy>  What's the rick trick to setting up system sounds? I can't find the settings in the menus, do I have to DL something?
[03:52] <CentHOGG> Hi, I have a question.. to install LXDE from ubuntu server what 'sudo apt-get install xxx' is used? would I have to install the entire Xubuntu-desktop? thx in advance
[04:12] <Ish> if anyone knows of some nifty bluetooth programs, throw em out there, it would be appreciated
[04:19] <CentHOGG> hi
[04:19] <CentHOGG> anyone here
[04:26] <Ish> i'm here
[04:26] <Ish> alone
[04:26] <Ish> in the dark
[04:27] <CentHOGG> hi
[04:27] <Ish> hello CentHOGG
[04:27] <CentHOGG> nifty bluetooth progs
[04:28] <Ish> yez, i needs them
[04:28] <CentHOGG> actually I've only used it sparingly and on XP
[04:28] <Ish> kdebluetooth hasn't done much for me
[04:28] <CentHOGG> bitpim
[04:28] <CentHOGG> for a phone?
[04:28] <Ish> yeah
[04:29] <CentHOGG> i used bitpim on XP once or twice
[04:29] <CentHOGG> it takes all the info from your phone and mirror/sync
[04:29] <Ish> oh nice
[04:29] <Ish> thanks
[04:29] <CentHOGG> maybe it's linux too
[04:29] <CentHOGG> i dunno
[04:29]  * Ish gives a tip of the hat
[04:29] <Ish> i did an apt-cache search and it's there
[04:29] <CentHOGG> great
[05:01] <Ish> http://i42.tinypic.com/20aq4jt.jpg  <--check that out, it's what happens when i boot
[05:02] <jimisrvrox> hey guys im trying to install the BCM4813 nic and because I had a usb for whatever reason I cannot blacklist ssb or get it out of modprobe
[05:02] <jimisrvrox> when I try to wake the card up which is on wlan1 It tells me siocsifflags no device
[05:10] <jimisrvrox> hey izak
[05:11] <jimisrvrox> are you good with wireless drivers?
[05:16] <izak> nope :D
[05:16] <izak> just joined here to try finding out hot to se t one up
[05:16] <izak> :/
[05:16] <izak> how to set one up*
[05:24] <jimisrvrox> o oh
[05:24] <jimisrvrox> ok*
[05:31] <psychic> hi
[05:31] <psychic> my xubuntu is giving me issues
[05:31] <psychic> new to it
[05:31] <psychic> ...
[05:32] <psychic> if any one is on here pls give me a message within the next 1.5 mins b4 i lay down
[05:33] <psychic> it wont fill the whole screen on my toshiba and its ssh files wont work for my friend to remote access it
[06:07] <psychic> anyone
[06:07] <psychic> ?
[06:07] <psychic> xubuntu assistance
[06:08] <psychic> ?
[06:14] <psychic> xubuntu assistance
[06:14] <psychic> ?
[06:15] <slimjimflim> psychic, what's wrong?
[06:15] <psychic> i just installed xubuntu on a toshiba satelite
[06:15] <slimjimflim> ok good job
[06:15] <psychic> and its ssh files aren't working  which i found out because i asked a friend to remote assist me
[06:16] <slimjimflim> dunno
[06:16] <psychic> my screen is only the size of a windows safe mode screen
[06:16] <psychic> maybe a bit smalled
[06:16] <psychic> smaller
[06:18] <slimjimflim> when i do sudo apt-get update i get the following...can anyone help?  this just started a minute ago
[06:18] <slimjimflim> W: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org hardy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[06:18] <slimjimflim> along w/ other messages saying packages weren't dled/installed
[06:18] <slimjimflim> that seems to be the important part
[06:18] <psychic> im also having that problem
[06:18] <psychic> are u on a toshiba
[06:18] <slimjimflim> no
[06:18] <psychic> or laptop?
[06:18] <psychic> o
[06:19] <psychic> my top and bottom menu bars also disappeared
[06:19] <psychic> lol
[06:19] <psychic> i found out how to get them back tho
[06:20] <psychic> i've been here for like an hr
[06:20] <psychic> no ones giving support
[06:21] <psychic> add paradigm9x on aim
[06:21] <psychic> if u got it
[06:21] <psychic> he'll stepp u through when he comes back on
[06:21] <psychic> tell him flexx sent u
[06:21] <psychic> lol
[08:52] <Iszak> how do I get more than 2 desktops?
[08:54] <Iszak> Found it, don't worry :p
[09:02] <Iszak> How do I install a theme...
[09:03] <TheSheep> unpack it to ~/.themes
[09:05] <Iszak> I did..?
[09:06] <TheSheep> voila!
[09:06] <Iszak> Do I need to restart?
[09:06] <TheSheep> no
[09:06] <Iszak> It's not showing up in themes.
[09:07] <TheSheep> are you sure it's a gtk or xfce theme?
[09:07] <Iszak> definitely gtk
[09:08] <Iszak> It's got index.theme in it.. and all
[09:08] <TheSheep> it has a gtkrc file?
[09:16] <odysseas> Hi guys, does the default xubuntu installation include tools to create a dial up connection?
[09:17] <TheSheep> !ppp
[10:55] <Slonkie> Hello. How do i add new repository in xubuntu?
[10:58] <gorgut> Slonkie: are you using synaptic?
[10:59] <Slonkie> sometimes.. mostly if the application i need is in there
[10:59] <gorgut> which repo are you trying to add? A third-party repo or one from Canonical?
[11:00] <Slonkie> a third party.. its http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main
[11:00] <Slonkie> I'm wanting to install Amarok
[11:00] <gorgut> you should be able to install amarok from the repos you have installed
[11:01] <Slonkie> When i search for Amarok nothing comes up
[11:01] <gorgut> pull open a terminal and do a 'sudo apt-get install amarok'
[11:01] <Slonkie> but is that the newest version of amarok?
[11:01] <gorgut> well
[11:01] <Slonkie> i want <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:01] <gorgut> ok. one sec
[11:02] <gorgut> ok
[11:02] <gorgut> do you normally use synaptic or the command line?
[11:02] <Slonkie> the commandline mostly
[11:03] <gorgut> ok. you need to pop open your favorite text editor and add that line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[11:03] <gorgut> make sure to sudo that
[11:03] <Slonkie> okay
[11:04] <gorgut> if you used nano, it would be 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[11:04] <Slonkie> ye
[11:04] <Slonkie> I should add this line right: "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main" ?
[11:05] <gorgut> that sounds right... not sure for that particular one, but seems to be in the right format
[11:05] <Slonkie> that's what's on their website so i guess that's right
[11:05] <gorgut> sounds good :)
[11:06] <gorgut> make sure to do an 'sudo apt-get update' when you get it saved
[11:08] <Slonkie> Thanks :)
[11:08] <gorgut> no problem
[13:49] <ivve> Hoi, I got a question regarding Remote Desktop
[13:50] <ivve> Where can I find the settings in xubuntu to open up permissions for remote desktop use?
[13:50] <ivve> in ubuntu there's Remote Desktop to change permissions etc, but where do I change that in xubuntu?
[14:13] <Slonkie> I've got 1 harddrive which i seperated into 2, one with windows and one with xubuntu, is it possible to access the files on the windows harddrive from xubuntu?
[14:14] <charlie-tca> yes,
[14:14] <charlie-tca> !pyneighborhood
[14:14] <charlie-tca> !samba
[14:14] <Slonkie> well i can't use shares can i? Since the windows would be offline while im in xubuntu?
[14:15] <Slonkie> Isen't it possible to mount the ntfs drive?
[14:21] <charlie-tca> Yes, just mount it like any other drive
[14:21] <Slonkie> Can you help me mounting?
[14:22] <charlie-tca> !mount
[14:22] <charlie-tca> no
[14:22] <charlie-tca> just a minute
[14:22]  * charlie-tca kicks 'bot
[14:23] <brandonban6> lol
[14:23] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: create a directory in /mnt or /media
[14:23] <charlie-tca> sudo mkdir /mnt/windows_drive
[14:24] <land> !applets
[14:24] <Slonkie> done charlie-tca
[14:24] <charlie-tca> Then use mount to use it: sudo mount /dev/drive_to_mount /mnt/windows_drive
[14:25] <Slonkie> so how do i find the name of the drive?
[14:25] <charlie-tca> Then you can access it using thunar or command line, like any other drive
[14:27] <charlie-tca> open thunar, go to /dev/disk/by-path and look at properties of the listed drives.
[14:27] <charlie-tca> It should be sda1, maybe?
[14:28] <charlie-tca> should only be about 3-4 listed, windows, Xubuntu, swap, home if on separate partition
[14:30] <Slonkie> so.. sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/windows_drive ?
[14:31] <Slonkie> yep that worked, that awesome, thank you charlie-tca.. Will it now automaticly be mounted everytime i boot xubuntu?
[14:31] <charlie-tca> no, for that you have to add it to /etc/fstab
[14:31] <Slonkie> do i just add the mount line i wrote above?
[14:32] <Slonkie> or both the mount line and the create dir line?
[14:32] <charlie-tca> similar to the mount line.
[14:33] <brandonban6> charlie-tca, if I may make a suggestion, I like to use "sudo fdisk -l" to get it a nice readout of your devices. As long as you know the size of the drive, you are usually in good shape :)
[14:33] <Slonkie> in fstab the other devices have some pretty fancy lines with info
[14:34] <charlie-tca> /dev/??? /mnt/windows_drive    ntfs    relatime        0       2
[14:34] <charlie-tca> Make that last 2 a 0
[14:35] <charlie-tca> I think that will work
[14:35] <Slonkie> All right. I'll try
[14:35] <charlie-tca> brandonban6: yes, all suggestions are welcome.
[14:39] <brandonban6> also, I'm not sure why but sometimes you need to indicate ntfs as ntfs-3g in fstab, or else reads it a bad fs.
[14:39] <Slonkie> what charlie-tca said diden't work :(
[14:40] <charlie-tca> That's probably why
[14:40] <Slonkie> so should i add -3g to ntfs?
[14:40] <charlie-tca> yes
[14:40] <charlie-tca> disclaimer: I do not use windows or NTFS file systems
[14:41] <Slonkie> all right :P
[14:41] <charlie-tca> Sorry, Slonkie
[14:41] <Slonkie> just gonna try reboot agian
[14:41] <Slonkie> no don't be. just glad i'm getting help :)
[14:41]  * charlie-tca hates giving bad advice
[14:41] <brandonban6> hehe :).........that's one area i'm okay in..........i'm a desktop admin running ubuntu 8.10 in windows environment.
[14:42] <charlie-tca> Then why am I trying to help Slonkie ?
[14:42] <charlie-tca> :-)
[14:43] <brandonban6> you were on the gun! ............ and as I said, I'm at work, I try to hop in when I can. Usually people have buggy problems, in which your much better suited for anyway :)
[14:44] <Slonkie> That dident help either :/
[14:44] <brandonban6> Slonkie, type in terminal "sudo mount -a"
[14:44] <brandonban6> does it give an error?
[14:44] <Slonkie> [mntent]: line 10 in /etc/fstab is bad
[14:45] <brandonban6> can you paste the line in here?
[14:46] <Slonkie> wait.. maybe i did something wrong.. just gonna try rebooting agian
[14:46] <brandonban6> kk
[14:50] <Slonkie> aha. It workes :P Thanks
[14:50] <brandonban6> charlie-tca, I never did get my xubuntu box running with flash....:(
[14:51] <charlie-tca> now that I believe! flash is a major pain to get working.
[14:53] <brandonban6> yeah, i'm dropping an Nvidia GeForce 8600GT in that box tomorrow night. And then i'll go back to focusing on getting it working. It is so frustrating....it recognizes flash is installed, but screens just so up black.
[14:54]  * brandonban6 needs to work on typing more clear, my fingers don't keep up with my mind
[14:55] <charlie-tca> Might be the video card won't support it. although that is rare.
[15:03] <brandonban6> yeah, it is an old ATI card.......I find the drivers to be buggy. I'll at least feel better with Nvidia + Compiz.
[15:04] <charlie-tca> True. I like Nvidia, myself. It gives me less problems than ATI, on almost everything.
[15:31] <returnCode> irc.azzurra.org
[15:31] <returnCode> irc://irc.azzurra.org
[15:33] <brandonban6> will xubuntu 9.04 carry the new themes too?
[16:05] <charlie-tca> What new themes?
[16:11] <brandonban6> ubuntu 9.04 is going to have three new themes including Dust.
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu is going to have a new theme, already in the daily images. It will not automatically be changed if you are running Jaunty, though
[16:14] <charlie-tca> excuse me, it the desktop wallpaper we out, not the theme yet
[16:14] <brandonban6> gotchya
[16:15] <charlie-tca> We also got the new gdm theme out
[16:16] <brandonban6> oh, are there screen shots?
[16:18] <charlie-tca> yes, if I can find them now
[16:19] <brandonban6> lol......i'm googling, but so much shows up when you type that in
[16:19] <charlie-tca> no, google probably won't show you
[16:20] <charlie-tca> here they are: http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.04%20Jaunty/Artwork%20mockups/jaunty-wall-mockup.png
[16:21] <charlie-tca> http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.04%20Jaunty/Artwork%20mockups/jaunty-gdm-mockup-3.png
[16:22] <brandonban6> oh those look good!!
[16:24] <charlie-tca> Got them on the desktop image today.
[16:25] <brandonban6> nice! I'm getting excited for the release date! It's coming up very quick!
[17:38] <poopuser> hi all.i would like to commit minimal barebones install from alternate cd 8.04.can i and i yes how can i do so?
[17:39] <charlie-tca> !minimal
[17:39] <charlie-tca> or,
[17:39] <genii> !info ubuntu-minimal
[17:41] <charlie-tca> or select F4 and install a command-line system. then add the apps you want one at a time
[17:41] <poopuser> thank you for the tip but can i do it with alternate cd?let's say i don't have internet connection
[17:41] <poopuser> well when i am pressing f4 there is sign / button - normal displayed at the bottom of screen and i don't see any option to change it
[17:42] <charlie-tca> From the menu of the alternate cd? Which version is this?
[17:43] <poopuser> hardy
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Does your cd pass Check cd for defects?
[17:44] <poopuser> i din't checked it for defects but 'normal' install went smooth
[17:45] <charlie-tca> It should have a menu across the botton, F1 help F2 Language F3 keymap F4 Modes F5 Accessibility F6 Options
[17:46] <poopuser> yes it dose have this kind of menu but when i press f4 there is word 'normal' displayed on the bottom of screen and that's all
[17:46] <charlie-tca> F4 is a four line menu. If you don't see all of it, hit the down arrow two times, and hit enter. It may be off your screen
[17:47] <poopuser> i do so.than you
[17:47] <poopuser> bye
[17:47] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[17:47] <poopuser> *thank
[17:56] <tupacamaru> Hello. I am here looking for some advice. I've got an old imac g3 and I want to install xubuntu on it. Problem is, the CD tray is broken. How else could I go about installing it? It's for a community center.
[17:56] <charlie-tca> Maybe you could do a netinstall? !netinstall
[17:57] <tupacamaru> !netinstall
[17:57] <gorgut> maybe a USB stick?
[17:57] <tupacamaru> I've got a USB stick but I couldn't get the mac to boot from it
[17:58] <TheSheep> did you hold option key while it booted?
[17:59] <tupacamaru> I've tried many things, though they are all worth trying again
[17:59] <tupacamaru> i appreciate the help!
[18:00]  * TheSheep knows little about macs, about ppc macs even less
[18:00] <tupacamaru> yeah, they are a mystery to me. so in linux, honestly!
[18:04] <gorgut> My svideo to RCA cable should be here today. Do i need any special drivers or anything to get my Svideo output working on my Dell Latitude D600?
[18:07] <gorgut> video card is  ATI Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000]
[18:10] <agracey> does anybody have experience running TF2 on xubuntu?
[18:12] <agracey> is anybody there?
[18:17] <zoredache> !anyone
[18:19] <zoredache> you might try asking in #ubuntu, there are more people there, and the window enviroment shouldn't make any difference
[18:19] <agracey> I would like to install xubuntu on my gaming computer since I just wiped out the windows install
[18:21] <agracey> ok, just reposted in #ubuntu
[20:13] <atari> is it possible to setup a personal xorg.conf?
[20:14] <atari> i noly has that "auto configured" xorg.conf in /etc/X11 :/
[20:14] <knome> atari, you are free to edit that file.
[20:15] <atari> so i can add some sections i'd like to?
[20:20] <knome> yes
[20:20] <knome> atari, you only need to edit with sudo.
[20:21] <atari> ok
[20:21] <atari> so then i'll try that...
[20:21] <atari> thx knome
[20:21] <knome> but remember, we don't take any responsibility for broken systems because editing xorg.conf. :)
[20:21] <knome> only edit what you know.
[20:22] <atari> yeah sure ;)
[20:22] <atari> i know hacking the xorg.conf, that's why i want to do it by myself ;)
[20:23] <knome> right.
[20:24] <gorgut> Hey, guys
[20:24] <gorgut> is there a xinerama setup util somewhere? GUI or ncurses?
[20:28] <gorgut> maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. Can someone suggest a way to clone the output of the screen on my laptop to the S-Video output on my ATI Radeon card?
[20:29] <charlie-tca> !xinerama
[20:29] <gorgut> well, i'm not sure if xinerama is what I should be using
[20:30] <charlie-tca> Probably !DualHead, then. It should be one or the other.
[20:30] <gorgut> i only want to use the s-video out sometimes
[20:30] <charlie-tca> !DualHead
[20:31] <knome> !dualhead
[20:32] <gorgut> charlie-tca, thanks
[20:33] <charlie-tca> I hope it is one of those, anyway.
[20:33] <gorgut> dualhead clone output appears to be what I want
[20:44] <gorgut> ok... i'm looking at my xorg.conf and it's VERY short... the monitor sections look nothing like an other xorg.conf i've ever seen... just "configured monitor device"
[20:44] <jdnwest> Am I an idiot for wanting to PXE BOOT (not install) a customized xubuntu immage
[20:47] <charlie-tca> gorgut: You can add whatever you need. Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu now use automatic Xorg configuration, so that short file is normal.
[20:48] <gorgut> charlie-tca, ok cool. Thanks. Didn't know if I was going about this the wrong way
[20:49] <charlie-tca> for most people, the short file works fine now.
[20:51] <gorgut> how can i see which driver i'm using for video?
[20:51] <gorgut> and the BusID?
[20:51] <charlie-tca> BusID should be from "lspci -vv"
[20:52] <charlie-tca> video driver is in /var/log/Xorg.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:55] <gorgut> i don't see the BusID in lspci -vv
[20:57] <charlie-tca> That's because I gave you the wrong command. Try "sudo lshw" instead.
[20:58] <gorgut> thanks :)
[20:58] <charlie-tca> Sorry :(
[20:58] <gorgut> no worries :)
[21:06] <gorgut> charlie-tca, what am I looking for in the Xorg.0.log to tell me the driver? i see " LoadModule: "extmod" " is that it?
[21:07] <gorgut> that's right after my ATI info for the card
[21:08] <charlie-tca> something to do with video. It should give a list, and you will see "radeon" or fglrx, I think those are the two ATI drivers now.
[21:08] <rocko> what do you stop prate? gorgut
[21:08] <rocko> is it true that you don't like to prate?
[21:14] <brandonban6> !backup
[21:15] <zoredache> dirvish is wonderful for needing to make lots of incremental backups....
[21:16] <brandonban6> thanks zoredache I will look into that!
[21:16] <brandonban6> !cloning
[21:17] <tavasti> I vote also for dirvish
[21:17] <brandonban6> the ">" output will replace a text file if there is one there already with the same name, correct?
[21:18] <tavasti> yes
[21:18] <gorgut> bah. wireless card crapped out on me
[21:18] <zoredache> the > will overwrite the existing file with anything new
[21:18] <brandonban6> and >> will merge ?
[21:19] <zoredache> >> will append anything to the end of the file
[21:19] <charlie-tca> gorgut: should be something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/133929/
[21:19] <charlie-tca> towards the bottom, you see my driver is "nv"
[21:21] <gorgut> charlie-tca, ok. sweet. Apparently i'm using "radeon" Would you mind looking at my xorg.conf to see if this makes sense? I'm having to take bits and pieces from several wiki articles
[21:22] <charlie-tca> Been too long since I did an xorg.conf, but I can look.
[21:22] <brandonban6> gorgut......if that is a radeon X300..........buy yourself a Nvidia GT8600+  (trust me)
[21:23] <gorgut> brandonban6, It's a radeon mobility 9000 in a laptop. not a whole lot of choice :p
[21:24] <brandonban6> gorgut, fair enough :)
[21:24] <gorgut> charlie-tca, http://paste.ubuntu.com/133935/    you'll see i commented out the old stuff too (I also make a backup, don't worry)
[21:27] <charlie-tca> Virtual		2560 1024 ; shouldn't this be 2x800= 1600 for Virtual  1600 600 ?
[21:28] <charlie-tca> Just asking, it seems like it will display a lot of unused border, but maybe not
[21:28] <gorgut> charlie-tca, Makes sense, again, just taking snippets from wiki articles :p
[21:28] <charlie-tca> I have never configured dual monitors, so it's a guess on my part
[21:29] <charlie-tca> The rest looks right to me.
[21:29] <gorgut> charlie-tca, ok. well, i'm gonna plug it in and see what happens. hehhe
[21:29] <gorgut> brb
[21:29] <gorgut> ls
[21:29] <gorgut> oops.
[21:29] <charlie-tca> good luck
[21:30] <gorgut> thanks :)
[21:38] <gorgut> charlie-tca, ok.. that was a no-go
[21:39] <charlie-tca> I am out of ideas. Maybe someone else knows how to do dual monitors?
[21:40] <brandonban6> gorgut, I used aticonfig by pulling the drivers from adm's website. It installed a configuration application
[21:40] <gorgut> charlie-tca, i restarted x with control+alt+backspace and whenever it came back up, it said I was running in low-graphics mode because it had an error parsing the config file
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Maybe the 800x600 is too low?
[21:41] <gorgut> bah... on a hunch i found a package called "atitvout" in the repos...?
[21:44] <brandonban6> http://support.amd.com/us/psearch/Pages/psearch.aspx?type=2.4.2
[21:47] <gorgut> brandonban6, my card isn't listed in that pull-down menu
[21:49] <brandonban6> gorgut what is the model of your laptop?
[21:49] <gorgut> brandonban6, dell latitude D600
[21:50] <gorgut> this atitvout thing i got from the repos isn't helping....
[21:56] <gorgut> brandonban6, hrm.. maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing in my lshw? the exact output is "product: Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000]"
[21:56] <brandonban6> gorgut try this http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.2&product=&lang=English&rev=9.2&ostype=Linux%20x86
[21:58] <brandonban6> gorgut, nah, your right it is a ATI Radeon 9000.
[21:58] <gorgut> brandonban6, ok. cool. I was about to feel pretty silly if I was working on the wrong card :p
[21:59] <gorgut> brandonban6, is this link for a 32-bit system?
[21:59] <brandonban6> yep
[21:59] <gorgut> ok. is this the one that you used that comes with the gui?
[22:00] <brandonban6> correct. There are some installer instructions in a .pdf on that same page. Give it a shot..........I still have a lot of problems with my ATI card even with it.
[22:00] <brandonban6> but I have dual monitors :)
[22:01] <gorgut> brandonban6, yeah, i'm not really trying to do dual monitors.. just clone output on my s-video port
[22:01] <brandonban6> oh! I see.........well yeah, give that driver there a shot. Let me know how it goes
[22:02] <gorgut> brandonban6, is there a gui for xrandr?
[22:03] <gorgut> brandonban6, grandr perhaps?
[22:04] <brandonban6> gorgut, i'm not sure quite honestly.
[22:04] <arualavi> !bug
[22:06] <brandonban6> zoredache, dirvish is a headfull to get setup!
[22:06] <zoredache> yeah, it is a bit tricky the first time
[22:07] <zoredache> but most backup systems that allow a lot of control are...
[22:13] <gorgut> ok...
[22:13] <gorgut> in xranr --properties, i see it says that s-video is disconnected... even tho i have the cable plugged in
[22:13] <gorgut> any ideas?
[22:14] <zoredache> gorgut: I doubt your card would be able to detect if something was connected on s-video...
[22:14]  * charlie-tca thinks "connected it?" as he hides
[22:14] <gorgut> zoredache, that's what I figured.. just wasn't sure how to make it think otherwise?
[22:15] <zoredache> gorgut: why does it matter?
[22:15] <zoredache> can't you extend too it anyway?
[22:15] <gorgut> zoredache, eh?
[22:15] <zoredache> perhaps if you try to use it, then it would show as connected
[22:15] <zoredache> I really don't know anything about xrandr so you should probably ignore me though
[22:16] <gorgut> zoredache, i don't understand what you mean by extend to it?
[22:16] <zoredache> I am assuming you want to extend your desktop onto display attached to the s-video port?
[22:17] <gorgut> zoredache, not extend really, i just want to clone the output to the s-video port
[22:17] <zoredache> hrm...  I could be wrong, but I doubt a clone would work to x-video unless your running a really crappy resolution
[22:18] <gorgut> zoredache, well, i'm only running like 1024x768 anyway
[22:18] <zoredache> gorgut: usually s-video is 320*200
[22:19] <gorgut> zoredache, woah.. really?
[22:19] <zoredache> well unless your card does some magical scan conversion that lets you set a higher resolution and then it makes it lower
[22:20] <gorgut> zoredache, well, at the end of the day, i just want to see the same thing on my tv as on my laptop screen :p
[22:23] <zoredache> have you tried something like xrandr --output s-video --auto
[22:24] <gorgut> xrandr took it with no errors, but still no dice on the tv :(
[22:24] <gorgut> xrandr --prop still shows disconnected
[22:32] <gorgut> brandonban6, ok... installed that driver.. it completed successfully and told me to run aticonfig. Did that, and it said no supported adapters detected :p
[22:33] <brandonban6> what!!! oh geez.
[22:38] <brandonban6> gorgut, got to jet, good luck on that!! Sorry to bust out on you now.
[22:39] <gorgut> got it
[22:39] <gorgut> sweeeeet
[22:39] <gorgut> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI
[22:39] <gorgut> cheers
[22:40] <zoredache> congratulations
[22:40] <gorgut> zoredache, thanks for the help :)
[22:43] <gorgut> ok.. now.. another issue :p
[22:44] <gorgut> tv only shows part of the image.. like the bottom and right sides are cut off?
[22:49] <jdnwest> So i'm trying to turn a atom powered device into a thin client (Rdesktop for RDP), the CPU usage is maxing out when I connect, i think its because i'm still using the vesa driver, where do I get the intel display driver to fix this?
[22:51] <jdnwest> this stuff used to be in xorg.conf but the driver lines not even in there anymore
[22:56] <lolTodd> Hi folks.  Question: I have an nVidia video card.  It's been working fine until recently, and even when I enable the restricted driver and reboot it does not take effect.  I've tried enabling and disabling several times to no avail.  Any help would be appreciated.
[23:05] <knome> lolTodd, do you need the restricted driver for something?
[23:05] <knome> lolTodd, if it works without it, there is no need to enable.
[23:09] <lolTodd> It doesn't work without it.  I can't stare at 480x640 for much longer. :/
[23:17] <meowImAKitty> Hello, I'm pretty new to xUbuntu, and Linux. However I'm not iliterate, I can semi-nevigate the system, and use the terminal. Would someone mind helping me out for a minute?
[23:17] <zoredache> !ask
[23:20] <meowImAKitty> haha alright here goes; I have xUbuntu 7.10 installed on my Compaq 2200 Laptop and I'm having problems using the external monitor port... I have tried using fn-f5 to switch but it is not letting me. I did a google search and came up with nothing I could relate to. I read somewhere about editing a conf file but I couldn't find any actual steps to take.
[23:20] <zoredache> is there some reason  you haven't upgraded to a more recent version of xubuntu?
[23:21] <meowImAKitty> Yes, this laptop is very old and It's even kind of slow using this version of xUbuntu
[23:23] <zoredache> if you connect the external video port before the laptop boots does it get detected ant work?
[23:23] <meowImAKitty> When I have the cord plugged in and re-boot it shows the boot screen, as well as all the text before xterm or w/e the GUI is called loads then the screen on the other monitor just goes black.
[23:23] <zoredache> there really shouldn't be that big of a change in resource requirements between 7.10 and 8.10
[23:25] <zoredache> anywho, I am not the guy to ask about video issues.  Wait around, and if someone else is paying attention they may answer
[23:25] <meowImAKitty> Is it worth the switch? Will I loose all my settings? This laptops resources are very limited, it already runs pretty slow.
[23:26] <zoredache> I don't know if it will be worth the switch.  There is probably a newer version of xorg, which should detect and work with your video hardware better
[23:27] <meowImAKitty> As for settings and such? Would it just be an upgrade or will I loose all my settings and files?
[23:27] <zoredache> and you would need to backup your settings and files, and then restore them.   Or you would need to upgrade which may be even trickier.    You might at least try booting off a livecd to see if the video works right
[23:40] <PeterDarkness> Quick question, I'm trying to get the wifi drivers working on my laptop, and the guide says to use 'sudo ./wlan0up" but when I use the command the terminal responds with "command not found" is there an alternate command?
[23:43] <TheSheep> I'd guess wlan0up is some script you were supposed to write earlier in that howto
[23:44] <PeterDarkness> I was in the wrong directory. My mistake :P
[23:44] <PeterDarkness> Ty
[23:44] <meowImAKitty> I have xUbuntu 7.10 installed on my Compaq 2200 Laptop and I'm having problems using the external monitor port... I have tried using fn-f5 to switch but it is not letting me. I did a google search and came up with nothing I could relate to. I read somewhere about editing a xorg file but I couldn't find any actual steps to take. Any advice?
[23:49] <TheSheep> meowImAKitty: try 'xrandr --auto' in your terminal while your monitor is connected and enabled
[23:51] <meowImAKitty> The command executed, but the other monitor still is blank.
[23:52] <meowImAKitty> It is connected, but what to you mean enabled? How would I enable it?
[23:56] <jamba> ciao a tutti
[23:56] <jamba> qualcuno parla italiano?
[23:58] <charlie-tca> !it
[23:58] <jamba> ma mi serve aiuto per xubuntu


[00:40] <lamont> ahasenack: interestingly, livecd + packages seems to work, but I don't think it did the dlopen call.  same kernel on my installed desktop still results in failure.  Now comes the fun of looking at file diffs. sigh.
[01:02] <lamont> ahasenack: turns out that error 610 from virtualbox is bitching about non-root owner of /usr /usr/lib or /usr/lib/vitualbox.  Thanks for the classy error messages, Oracle.
[05:04] <cpaelzer> good morning
[10:40] <jamespage> coreycb: newer snapshots of py2.7, 3.6 and 3.7 all generate that same hacking test failure in nova
[10:40] <jamespage> coreycb: life is to short so I've skipped it across all versions
[10:40] <jamespage> but something changed
[11:52] <coreycb> jamespage: ok
[11:56] <coreycb> jamespage: there are some dep8 failures due to curl not being available in arm. i'll fix those up.
[12:00] <coreycb> jamespage: it seems that some of the nasty py3.7 bugs may be fixed in py3.7 itself.  i'll check and work with doko on it. i was hitting similar ones to this on a handful of projects: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003186
[12:04] <jamespage> coreycb: have you worked on any py3 switchovers for components yet?
[12:04] <jamespage> in the charms that is
[12:04] <coreycb> jamespage: not for the charms yet, but planning to start once rocky cleanup is done
[12:04] <jamespage> coreycb: ok I'll start poking on a few - cinder first
[12:05] <coreycb> jamespage: ok, thanks
[12:25] <ahasenack> hmm
[12:25] <ahasenack>  /tmp/autopkgtest.cRVUhE/build.cWY/src/debian/tests/ldap-user-group-krb5-auth: 57: /tmp/autopkgtest.cRVUhE/build.cWY/src/debian/tests/ldap-user-group-krb5-auth: debian/tests/login.exp: Permission denied
[12:25] <ahasenack> it has +x
[12:28] <ahasenack> maybe it's mounted as noexec
[12:28] <ahasenack> it worked locally in qemu/kvm
[12:29] <cpaelzer> maybe it looses +x on the way?
[12:29] <cpaelzer> can you for testing chmod it before calling?
[12:29] <cpaelzer> or pass it like $ expect -f foo.exp
[12:30] <ahasenack> the latter would be my next attempt
[12:30] <ahasenack> but it worked here
[12:30] <ahasenack> kvm and lxd
[12:30] <cpaelzer> odd
[12:30] <cpaelzer> I also thought that there should be no difference
[12:30] <ahasenack> also worked in a debian lxd
[12:30] <cpaelzer> which architecture was the fail ahasenack
[12:31] <ahasenack> all
[12:31] <cpaelzer> wow
[12:31] <ahasenack> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/3399/cosmic.html
[12:33] <ahasenack> hm, maybe I need -f in the shebang line
[12:33] <cpaelzer> maybe dash/bash/sh is different there?
[12:33] <cpaelzer> is expect a test dependency?
[12:34] <cpaelzer> hmm, yes it is
[12:36] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Q3gXJv5zGB/ ?
[12:36] <ahasenack> yeah
[12:37] <ahasenack> better go all the way, or else verifying all alternatives will take a whole day
[12:37] <cpaelzer> yep
[12:37] <cpaelzer> I also found the -- in the man page
[12:37] <cpaelzer> so I added i
[12:37] <cpaelzer> t
[12:57] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: snapper upstream took the armhf build fix patch
[12:57] <ahasenack> another delta will bite the dust, soon
[13:02] <jamespage> coreycb: ok so cinder looks promising - got all but on of the tempest.api.volume tests to pass first run
[13:03] <coreycb> jamespage: not bad
[13:03] <jamespage> coreycb: https://review.openstack.org/600027
[13:08] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: \o/
[13:09] <coreycb> jamespage: commented
[13:13] <jamespage> coreycb: good question about clearing out the py2 cruft
[13:16] <jamespage> coreycb: we can purge out any python-* packages from the original installed pkgs; however we'll need an autoremove helper to then purge out any deps!
[13:16] <coreycb> jamespage: ick
[13:16] <jamespage> coreycb: meh it kinda needs to happen
[13:16] <jamespage> coreycb: for example python-cinder would still be installed, but is not mention anywhere in the charm
[13:18] <coreycb> jamespage: worth noting this is likely just a rockey issue. stein will be easier. we can just make py3 alternatives have precedence.
[13:18] <coreycb> rocky
[13:18] <jamespage> agreed
[13:30] <kstenerud> ahasenack: Is there more to do with logwatch re: getting debian's attention?
[13:31] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: does "knowing the maintainer well" count?
[13:32] <ahasenack> kstenerud: did you create a merge request?
[13:32] <ahasenack> kstenerud: good morning :)
[13:32] <ahasenack> kstenerud: while I have you, keep an eye on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[13:32] <ahasenack> kstenerud: your bind9 sponsored upload is in there
[13:51] <jamespage> coreycb: https://github.com/juju/charm-helpers/pull/209
[14:12] <ahasenack> kstenerud: I think you can move the 1769440 card to done, bind9 migrated. Did you check that proposed-migration page in time, while bind9 was still in there? Just so you know the process
[14:17] <kstenerud> ahasenack: Yes I saw it with tests passed and expected fails yellow
[14:17] <ahasenack> ok
[14:17] <ahasenack> kstenerud: that bind9 bug, it needs an sru to bionic now :)
[14:18] <ahasenack> feel free to use the same card I mentioned above, or create a new one for the sru work
[14:18] <jamespage> coreycb: do you think missing curl might be the issue on the glance autopkgtest failures as well?
[14:18] <coreycb> jamespage: yes that's the problem. i have a couple pkgs testing here: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3125
[14:25] <jamespage> coreycb: ack will leave in your more than capable hands!
[14:26] <coreycb> jamespage: ha!
[14:35] <dpb1> kstenerud: did we hear back from debian on logwatch?
[14:37] <kstenerud> No, I hadn't done the change in their git repo. Working on that now
[14:39] <kstenerud> ahasenack: Is there a special procedure for making patches to salsa? Like tests to run etc?
[14:40] <ahasenack> kstenerud: nothing standard
[14:40] <ahasenack> if there are dep8 tests in the package, then I would run them
[14:40] <ahasenack> otherwise, I would show how the change was tested
[14:40] <ahasenack> don't forget it's debian, not ubuntu, when copying logs and such
[14:40] <kstenerud> So basically I just fork, make the same 2 commits, then merge req?
[14:40] <ahasenack> luckily it's easy to use a debian container
[14:41] <ahasenack> yeah, and I would leave the debian release as "UNRELEASED" in d/changelog, since the commit is not necessarily tied to a new upload
[14:41] <ahasenack> let them sort that out
[14:41] <ahasenack> but do use dch, and format d/changelog approprietly
[14:42] <kstenerud> dch?
[14:43] <ahasenack> try it :)
[14:44] <kstenerud> oh hah cool :)
[14:44] <ahasenack> I suggested dch this time, instead of git-ubuntu.reconstruct-changelog, because git-ubuntu wouldn't work in a debian container
[14:44] <ahasenack> not out-of-the-box at least
[14:45] <kstenerud> Oh, the version is labeled logwatch (7.4.3+git20161207-2ubuntu1)
[14:45] <kstenerud> should it have the ubuntu1 at the end?
[14:45] <ahasenack> nope
[14:45] <ahasenack> well, not in a debian merge request for sure
[14:46] <ahasenack> and, if the current d/changelog already has an entry with UNRELEASED, then don't create a new (versioned) one, just add your bit to the existing one
[14:46] <ahasenack> there is a format for that, you can find it on other changelog files if you look, it's like [Some Name]\n  * change
[14:49] <kstenerud> OK so I'm basically doing:
[14:49] <kstenerud>   * sshd: ignore disconnected from user USER. (closes: 855539)
[14:50] <kstenerud> 855539 being their bug report on this
[14:54] <ahasenack> kstenerud: yes, but please mention the file you are changing
[14:54] <ahasenack> like, full path
[15:07] <dpb1> kstenerud: (just curious on logwatch, since we hadn't reached out before)
[15:12] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: sea of green! https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/3399/cosmic.html
[15:13] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: calling expect -f <script>
[15:13] <ahasenack> instead of <script> directly
[15:20] <cpaelzer> ok, then that shall be the solution
[16:08] <SuperLag> I'm trying to set up an Ubuntu VM on my local machine. It'll use NAT, and share the existing connection, but I'd like to make it a static IP, so when the term opens and my SSH-on-open command runs, it connects automatically. I'm not sure how do set up a static IP during the install process.
[16:24] <subvhome> Can someone direct me to a resource that can help me configure my ubuntu server to login automatically (no GUI)
[16:27] <subvhome> nevermind figured it out :)
[16:30] <dpb1> SuperLag: are you using the 18.04.1 LTS server install?
[16:58] <SuperLag> yes
[16:58] <SuperLag> dpb1: yes
[17:25] <dpb1> SuperLag: in the network config screen, you can choose a static IP
[17:56] <ahasenack> kstenerud: in your logwatch salsa mp,
[17:56] <ahasenack> kstenerud: the file you should mention in d/changelog is the patch file you are adding, not the file that the patch itself is changing
[17:57] <ahasenack> kstenerud: so, it should be d/p/ssh-ignore-disconnected.patch
[17:57] <ahasenack> (or debian/patches/...)
[17:58] <kstenerud> ah ok
[18:03] <kstenerud> ahasenack: For the strongswan repro case, I'm going to have to set up a fairly complicated thing with config files and scripts. How would I fit that to the bug report and MP?
[18:03] <ahasenack> kstenerud: strongswan related to logwatch?
[18:04] <ahasenack> or that other mp which was started by a community member?
[18:04] <kstenerud> the other mp
[18:04] <kstenerud> I'll need to set up a vpn server and client in separate machines and then test with different versions on the client side
[18:04] <ahasenack> it is complicated indeed. I would suggest to just run the dep8 tests, they cover a lot already
[18:05] <ahasenack> I mean,
[18:05] <ahasenack> not the depp8 tests
[18:05] <ahasenack> the qa-regression-tests
[18:05] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/qa-regression-testing
[18:05] <ahasenack> inside the scripts directory, there is a test-strongswan.py script
[18:05] <ahasenack> with instructions
[18:07] <ahasenack> this mp of mine, from some days ago, went through them. The description of the mp has pastebins showing these scripts being run: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/strongswan/+git/strongswan/+merge/353642
[18:10] <ahasenack> kstenerud: btw, your logwatch salsa mp, you still have the old s/s/ path in the changelog entry, not sure if you saw that. I see you changed the mp title
[18:14] <kstenerud> ahasenack: how were you able to see the diffs on salsa? I can't find a button for it
[18:16] <kstenerud> also, for that entry, I was copying from previous entries in the changelog, like: s/s/amavis: Fix perl warning "redundant argument in sprintf".
[18:18] <kstenerud> should I change it to the other style in changelog?
[18:26] <ahasenack> kstenerud: there are three tabs in the MR page
[18:26] <ahasenack> discussion, commits, changes
[18:26] <ahasenack> it defaults to discussion
[18:29] <ahasenack> kstenerud: about s/s, hm, I see the previous entries. It looks odd
[18:29] <ahasenack> I'm fine either way then, as you prefer
[18:48] <kstenerud> ahasenack: How do I initiate a qa-regression test?
[18:49] <ahasenack> kstenerud: branch that code, cd into scripts/
[18:49] <ahasenack> there is a readme file in that dir
[18:49] <ahasenack> start with     $ sudo ./install-packages test-foo.py
[18:50] <ahasenack> that will install dependencies needed by that particular test-<foo>.py script
[18:50] <ahasenack> then read instructions on that script test
[18:50] <ahasenack> er, test script
[18:51] <kstenerud> All I see are a bunch of *.c files in scripts
[18:52] <kstenerud> find . -name install-packages returns nothing
[18:57] <ahasenack> kstenerud: "that code" -> https://launchpad.net/qa-regression-testing
[18:57] <ahasenack> is that what you branched?
[18:57] <ahasenack> https://code.launchpad.net/qa-regression-testing
[19:09] <kstenerud> ahasenack: Is this meant to be cloned and run from within a vm?
[19:09] <ahasenack> kstenerud: yes, and it's meant to be run on the machine where the software you are testing is installed
[19:10] <ahasenack> so a vm or lxd is best, yes
[20:09] <sdeziel> cpaelzer: re LP: #1789551, I'm not sure don't understand why Xenial would be harder to tackle than Bionic. Isn't is just a matter of calling "seccomp_attr_set(ctx, > SCMP_FLTATR_CTL_TSYNC, 1)" irrespective of whitelist vs blacklist?
[20:41] <ahasenack> kstenerud: in the command line from that MP I pasted you earlier,
[20:41] <ahasenack> sudo ./test-strongswan.py $test <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>/24 <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>/24 -v
[20:41] <ahasenack> 192.x.x.x is the libvirt network where the vm is on
[20:42] <ahasenack> 10.0.2 and 10.0.1 are made up networks, no config at all. the test script will set that up
[20:42] <kstenerud> ok
[20:49] <ScottE> Oh boy, this is going to be fun... We're finding users who upgrade to openssh 7.8 can no longer ssh to our ubuntu servers due to some strictness in the new openssh version. I created https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/1790963 with links to the same issue found in other Linux distro. It's unclear what the right fix is, but thought I would mention it here because it's likely to have
[20:49] <ScottE> wide blast radius.
[20:54] <blackflow> ScottE: not sure I see this problem here
[20:55] <blackflow> ScottE: hmmm, wait, 7.8 clients when connecting to older clients, you say?
[20:57] <ScottE> blackflow Basically the 7.8 client is not (fully) compatible with openssh version <7.8
[20:58] <TJ-> ScottE: according to the release notes, the breakage should only occur in non-default configurations. Is that the case here, or is the Ubuntu default for 7.6/7.7 causing the issue
[21:00] <blackflow> ScottE: yea I thought I was running 7.8 but I'm not, it's 7.6. I'm gonna test now with 7.8 from Fedora
[21:00] <ScottE> You very well could be correct there TJ- we're still in the process of trying to figure that out
[21:03] <TJ-> here, on 18.04 with v7.6, "sshd -T" with no sysadmin over-ride shows "hostbasedacceptedkeytypes ecdsa-sha2-nistp256-cert-v01@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384-cert-v01@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-ed25519-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-rsa-cert-v01@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521,ssh-ed25519,rsa-sha2-512,rsa-sha2-256,ssh-rsa"
[21:04] <TJ-> And pubkeyacceptedkeytypes ecdsa-sha2-nistp256-cert-v01@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384-cert-v01@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-ed25519-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-rsa-cert-v01@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521,ssh-ed25519,rsa-sha2-512,rsa-sha2-256,ssh-rsa
[21:07] <TJ-> seems like a daft change for openssh to make though; keeping the option name with *KeyTypes but changing the semantics to mean *SignatureAlgorithms! Recipe for confusion there
[21:08] <ScottE> Yeah, it's looking very likely that our custom server config (with the intent to improve security) is causing the breakage here. I never did suspect it to be an Ubuntu bug per se
[21:10] <ahasenack> so the option is still called PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes, but now its value is a signature algorithm instead of a key type?
[21:11] <blackflow> ScottE: yeah, default configs work just fine
[21:11] <blackflow> 7.8p1 client from Fedora connecting to 7.6 Ubuntu and 7.2 FreeBSD
[21:12] <ScottE> blackflow great, thanks for the confirmation on that - that will greatly limit who runs into this right there
[21:13] <TJ-> ahasenack: that's seems to be correct
[21:13] <TJ-> ahasenack: I guess (some of) the values were always signature algorithms, not key-types
[21:14] <TJ-> ScottE: well, your changes did improve security - no-one could connect :)
[21:14] <kstenerud> ahasenack: None of the tests fail in bionic. I'm not really sure how to cause the issue
[21:14] <ScottE> TJ- haha
[21:15] <ahasenack> kstenerud: did you see apparmor denied messages in dmesg?
[21:15] <kstenerud> nope
[21:15] <ahasenack> kstenerud: then ok, proceed with just the dep8 results, we will rely on the reporter for this one
[21:15] <kstenerud> ok
[21:17] <TJ-> did I see mention of a possible strongswan problem? (wondering if it's something I've hit recently!)
[21:22] <ahasenack> TJ-: https://code.launchpad.net/~fermulator/ubuntu/+source/strongswan/+git/strongswan/+merge/353423
[21:22] <ahasenack> bug being #1786250
[21:23] <ahasenack> kstenerud: wait, was apparmor even enabled for strongswan? It might be an optional apparmor profile
[21:23] <TJ-> ahasenack: hmmm, I think I've been seeing NetworkManager reporting the same
[21:23] <kstenerud> How do I check?
[21:24] <sdeziel> strongswan's apparmor is enabled by default IIRC
[21:24] <sdeziel> kstenerud: aa-status
[21:25] <sdeziel> you should see charon as being confined
[21:25] <TJ-> ahhh, no, slightly different. I've been seeing: <warn>  [1536149701.2078] error requesting auth for org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-connectivi
[21:25] <TJ-> ty-check: Authorization check failed: Failed to open file “/proc/1554/status”: No such file or directory
[21:26] <TJ-> I see "enforced" for /usr/lib/ipsec/charon
[21:30] <kstenerud> sdeziel: It says charon is unconfined
[21:31] <ScottE> So this openssh issue might be only when using certificates (which we do) - compiling 7.8 with the same config works fine - so it appears not our customization - I'll update the bug with specific mention around certificates
[23:57] <SuperLag> RHEL has a kickstart configurator that'll give you at the very least a template to work from for kickstart files. Is there an Ubuntu equivalent for preseed files?


[01:09] <JJJollyjim> Hi all! http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html says this is the place to go with questions about patching packages, but the package I'm hoping to patch is in main, not *verse -- is this still the right place?
[01:11] <teward> JJJollyjim: the process for patching remains the same, whether it's for Universe or Main
[01:11] <teward> (this channel is fairly dead though... but you can still ask)
[01:14] <teward> JJJollyjim: if you have any questions, I'll be happy to help if I can :)
[03:41] <JJJollyjim> hmm, I set up pbuilder with pbuilder-dist bionic create
[03:41] <JJJollyjim> and am now attempting pbuilder-dist bionic build xyz.dsc
[03:42] <JJJollyjim> but it errors out trying to extract /home/testuser/pbuilder/bionic-base.tgz, which is a zero byte file!
[03:42] <JJJollyjim> the create command went through with no error messages
[03:42] <JJJollyjim> any ideas?
[03:43] <JJJollyjim> (no error messages apart from "W: No local /etc/mailname to copy, relying on /var/cache/pbuilder/build/9657/etc/mailname to be correct", which sounds unimportant)
[03:59] <Logan> JJJollyjim: I would remove that file and try again. It sounds like it failed at creating the base tarball
[04:00] <JJJollyjim> Unfortunately I already did remove ~/pbuild and try again, with the same outcome


[03:53] <Aborady> anybody here ?
[03:53] <Menopia> Aborady, yum
[03:54] <Menopia> yup*
[03:54] <Aborady> goodmorning islam
[03:54] <Menopia> good morning Aborady
[03:54] <Menopia> Are you coming to Cairo ICT?
[03:54] <Aborady> mafeesh noom bardo working ?
[03:55] <Menopia> And what is the status of your problem?
[03:55] <Aborady> the same i did evrything i dunno what else to do
[03:56] <Menopia> I think you should report it
[03:56] <Aborady> yeah how can i report a bug ?
[03:57] <Menopia>  using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[03:58] <Aborady> the good is theres alot of ppl in theats who have the same issue too
[03:58] <Aborady> so i think it'll be fixed
[03:58] <Menopia> I hope so
[04:01] <Aborady> about reporting abug what if i cant define the fault pachage
[04:02] <Menopia> I think it's in unity or ubuntu-desktop


[00:40] <jjesse> dtchen: this is from my dell e6500: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=931d7717ddf02556b2498ec070be3a65552bd260
[00:40] <jjesse> still no sound on that one :(
[00:40] <jjesse> dtchen: not even headphones
[00:40] <jjesse> sorry about misleading you
[00:43] <dtchen> jjesse: i'll ping/dent you a test kernel later this weekend
[00:43] <jjesse> dtchen: thansk sorry for misleadeading you about it being fixed on my other dell, i thought it was
[00:44] <dtchen> jjesse: that's ok, comments are easily modified
[01:04] <kady> Anyone can take a look at KDE auto logging out on Jackalope ?
[01:05] <kady> I've tried this in two machines and KDE seems to think that logout is called when initializing KDE
[01:05] <ScottK> Working fine here.  Odd.
[01:06] <kady> Yeah I don't think this is usual
[01:06] <kady> granted I have heard people complain in #kubuntu that as soon as they login they get the login screen again
[01:06] <kady> Which I get if I put this hard drive in the computer with the ATI card
[01:07] <kady> if I keep it in the one with the SiS card it kicks me to the console
[01:07] <kady> X dies and KDM is not propmpted to restart so the process stays up but does nothing
[01:07] <kady> No errors
[01:07] <ScottK> What video do you have?
[01:07] <kady> well lots of errors but none seem germane to the problem
[01:07] <kady> ScottK: What do you mean?
[01:08] <ScottK> Intel video drivers are really bad this cycle, so I'm wondering if you get a kdm crash or something due to bad X problems.
[01:09] <kady> KDM doesn't crash. It seems to be running fine
[01:09]  * ScottK is just speculating
[01:09] <ScottK> OK
[01:09] <kady> (too fine)
[01:09] <kady> X dies but doesn't seem to die for any particualr reason
[01:10] <kady> Which kinda leads me to think that When KDE logs in it instantly logs out
[01:10] <kady> since X has no long lived process to keep xinit alive it does
[01:10] <ScottK> X crashing might do it
[01:10] <kady> dies
[01:11] <kady> X never throws an error though
[01:12] <kady> KDE throws lots of errors but none that seem fatal
[01:13] <kady> I'm going to take a shower now but I can pastebin /var/log/messages and Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors if anyone wants to try help track this down
[01:13] <kady> ScottK: Oh if I start X and KDE manually it works fine
[01:16] <ScottK> Probably better wait for someone that knows more than me about such stuff.
[01:17] <kady> Ok I'll pastebin anyway
[01:17] <kady>  /var/log/messages: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m7be7a3e0
[01:18] <kady>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m26e75ecd
[01:18] <kady> ~/.xsession-errors: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m625bcd16
[01:18] <kady>  off to shower and I'll be back
[01:20] <kady> ScottK: If you take a look at the last thing for each session it seems that KDE simply does a valid logout in xsession-errors I may be reading it wrong but that's what I see happening
[01:50] <kady> Hmm have to go out for a little after a phone call but I'll be back soon :)
[04:21] <kady> ok back
[04:21] <kady> hi jjesse
[12:10] <rgl> hi
[12:10] <rgl> does 9.04 use qt 4.5?
[12:13] <freeflying> rgl: yes
[12:13] <rgl> oh it does.  I've missed that part on the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha6/Kubuntu#Qt 4.5 *G*
[12:13] <rgl> thx!
[12:14] <freeflying> np
[13:23] <mcas> hi
[13:23] <neversfelde> hi  mcas
[13:23] <mcas> can anyone tell me if the translations of kubuntu-docs have the language-pack-deadline or non-language-pack?
[13:38] <blizzz> is there a package with docs (class reference) for kde (esp. plasma)?
[13:38] <smarter> http://api.kde.org
[13:38] <blizzz> smarter: for offline access :)
[13:38] <smarter> no idea then
[13:39] <smarter> just download the sources, the doc is in the .h files :)
[13:40] <blizzz>  i think i'd rather download the website then, seems more usable for reading than browsing header files
[13:51] <neversfelde> any images, that need to be tested atm?
[14:05] <smarter> blizzz: you can recreate the website from the sources
[14:06] <smarter> blizzz: look for doxygen or apidocs on http://techbase.kde.org, there is instruction for that
[14:10] <blizzz> smarter: i simply used wget
[14:28] <cortex_sk> hi guys i think there is a typo in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kubuntu-docs/+pots/files-and-docs/sk/16/+translate
[14:28] <cortex_sk> ..Dolphin</application> sports(supports) the use of tabs ..
[14:59] <milian> there seems to be a packaging error in the KDE 4.2.2 packages for intrepid, /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKdepimLibs.cmake in package kdelib5-dev is still looking in /usr/lib/KdepimLibs-4.2.0
[14:59] <milian> which is of course wrong, it should be /usr/lib/KdepimLibs-4.2.2
[14:59] <milian> I'm not sure where exactle that error is
[15:10] <joshjtl> anyone know of a simple sound recorder app for kde?
[15:10] <smarter_> kwave
[15:10] <freinhard> milian: my kdepuimlibs are lying in /usr/lib/ no subdir and all of them got 4.2.0 in their name.
[15:11] <milian> freinhard: strange... I got a KdepimLibs-4.2.2 folder - are you running on KDE 4.2.2 ?
[15:11] <freinhard> right, but on jaunty. maybe that's the difference
[15:12] <milian> hmm still if you are running 4.2.2 and the libs got 4.2.0 in their name it does feel kinda strange - no?
[15:13] <freinhard> nope, if the libs didn't get any updates, why rename them?
[15:13] <milian> hm true
[15:14] <freinhard> but maybe that's just a bug. i dunno ;)
[15:14] <milian> freinhard: ah - actually it's not the libs in that folder, it's only some cmake makros
[15:14] <milian> i.e. /usr/lib/libkdepim* <-- find some
[15:14] <milian> but: /usr/lib/KdepimLibs-4.2.2/cmake/ <-- some *.cmake files
[15:15] <joshjtl> how do i find out where my mic is? i need to set it up with kwave
[15:15] <milian> and _those_ I did not find (was trying to build konversation for kde4)
[15:19] <freinhard> joshjtl: got so much possibilities where you can plug in your microphone?
[15:21] <joshjtl> freinhard: its a built in (laptop)
[15:22] <freinhard> so you should have only one option (except you got a modem or somehting built in)
[15:22] <freinhard> btw kwave is still built for 4.2.1
[15:23] <joshjtl> freinhard: how do i find out what kubuntu set my mic up as, or how i should set it up
[15:23] <joshjtl> freinhard: same thing in audacity...
[15:24] <freinhard> joshjtl: i don't undestand which information you are missing.
[15:24] <joshjtl> freinhard: i want to know what device (if any) kubuntu set my mic up as
[15:27] <freinhard> joshjtl: so you got multiple choices in kwave? plugin your mike, babble intoit and watch the bar at the bottom of the configuration dialog.
[15:28] <joshjtl> freinhard: nothing :(
[15:41] <mcas> can anyone tell me if the translations of kubuntu-docs have the language-pack-deadline or non-language-pack?
[16:52] <joshjtl> as far kde 4 goes, whats the status in intrepid?
[16:55] <ScottK> mcas: Translations get updated post release, so it's still worth doing regardless of which deadline applies.
[16:56] <ScottK> joshjtl: For Intrepid we released with 4.1.2, have 4.1.4 in intrepid-updates, also backported 4.2.0 in intrepid-backports, and 4.2.2 is in the kubuntu-experimental PPA.
[16:59] <joshjtl> ScottK: how is 4.2.2 running on intrepid? I'm running back to intrepid because there are too many things that dont work on my machine
[16:59] <ScottK> Dunno.  The 4.2.0 backport is the last KDE I ran on Intrepid.
[17:00] <joshjtl> well i guess ill find out
[17:01] <mcas> ScottK: thx
[17:58] <a|wen> hi
[18:22] <ScottK> a|wen: Hi
[18:22] <ScottK> a|wen: You're just the person I was looking for.
[18:22]  * a|wen waves to ScottK
[18:23] <ScottK> a|wen: If you look at Debian Bug #522599 you'll see a dvi inverse search fix that's in kile's svn.
[18:23] <ScottK> If we can get inverse dvi search working in kile, then we can remove kdvi.
[18:24] <ScottK> a|wen: Any chance you could look into that?
[18:25] <a|wen> ScottK: that revision is already cherry-picked from upstream svn
[18:25] <ScottK> a|wen: So we have working inverse dvi search?
[18:25] <a|wen> i haven't tested it... but i can try
[18:26] <ScottK> a|wen: Please do.  I rescued kdvi from KDE3 kdegraphics because of that one feature.  It'd be cool if wew can kill it.
[18:28] <a|wen> ScottK: is it together with okular that it is supposed to work?
[18:32] <ScottK> a|wen: I don't know.  I didn't know it was supposed to do that until I read the bug.
[18:34] <kady> ScottK: Hello
[18:34] <ScottK> kady: Hello.
[18:34] <kady> ScottK: It was KDM stopping me from logging in
[18:34] <ScottK> Did you figure out why?
[18:35] <kady> It didn't like the video card
[18:35] <kady> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m48c8de1d
[18:36] <a|wen> ScottK: inverse dvi search (the --line thing) works in kile now ... but i'm not sure which programs support that search feature
[18:36] <ScottK> Dunno
[18:37] <ScottK> kady: Looks like you need to report a X bug.  I think somewhere in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X is tells you what to provied.
[18:37] <kady> ok
[18:37] <kady> ScottK: That's a nice page
[18:40] <kady> ScottK: Is it still an X issue if X works?
[18:40] <a|wen> ScottK: according to that okular documentation it is supported there
[18:40] <ScottK> Nott sure.
[18:40] <ScottK> a|wen: I'd try that then.
[18:40] <ScottK> It wasn't (I don't think) in 4.1.
[18:41] <a|wen> no, i think you're right
[18:43] <a|wen> at least i heard some "missing feature compared to 3.5/kdvi" in regards with that
[18:46] <ScottK> So if it's in 4.2, that's a good time to drop kdvi
[18:53] <a|wen> ScottK: the manual says so; and the options are in the okular option dialog
[18:54] <ScottK> Including inverse?
[18:56] <a|wen> it has the option to choose which program to use for the inverse search
[18:59] <ScottK> And you can use kile for that then?
[18:59] <ScottK> If so, would you please file a removal bug for kdvi?
[19:02] <a|wen> the tricky part is if kile does the right "marking" of the dvi files, hmm
[19:03] <kady> Question :) When downloading Konqueror/the http:kio knows the type of file. Am I wrong on that?
[19:16] <a|wen> ScottK: it works in okular with dvi files :)
[19:16]  * a|wen goes removal request filing
[19:16] <ScottK> a|wen: Great.
[19:18] <joshjtl> hey folks, anyone get plasma widget stasks to run on Intrepid?
[19:23] <a|wen> ScottK: bug 355781
[19:25] <ScottK> a|wen: Since it's in Universe you can confirm it and subscribe the archive admins.
[19:26] <a|wen> ScottK: of course :) just wanted to check if you had anything to add
[19:26] <ScottK> a|wen: Looks good to me.
[19:26] <ScottK> a|wen: I'd give it a 9.04 milestone
[19:27] <a|wen> done
[19:27] <ScottK> Great.  Thanks.
[19:40] <kady> Question :) When downloading Konqueror/the http:/kio knows the type of file. Am I wrong on that?
[19:42] <a|wen> kady: the server tells the http-kio slave which filetype it is (or it should tell it)
[19:43] <kady> a|wen: Would it be possible since we have XDG directories to redirect the directory based on the file type?
[19:44] <a|wen> kady: i'm not quite sure what you mean?
[19:44] <kady> a|wen: Konqueror already has in the filetypes a grouping for certain flie types
[19:45] <kady>  Like all audio files or all image files
[19:45] <a|wen> yes...
[19:45] <kady> If we are getting something from a server and we are prompted to save as or to open an app it chooses and appropriate application
[19:45] <kady> If we choose save as can we get it to choose an appropriate directory ?
[19:46] <kady> Instead of always going to Documents?
[19:47] <a|wen> kady: to be honest, i don't think that is implemented in konqueror as it is now
[19:48] <kady> Ok I'll go find out :)
[19:55] <joshjtl> hey folks, anyone get plasma widget stasks to run on Intrepid?
[19:58] <Quintasan> joshjtl: you can try my package
[19:58] <joshjtl> Quintasan: ok whats the url?
[19:58] <joshjtl> does anyone know why firefox isnt using kde look in intrepid?
[19:58] <Quintasan> http://ppa.launchpad.net/quintasan/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/p/plasma-widget-stasks/
[19:59] <joshjtl> thx
[19:59] <Quintasan> joshjtl: use QtCurve to make firefox look like rest of KDE
[19:59]  * Quintasan is off for a bit
[20:00] <a|wen> Quintasan: thanks for the basket packaging ... works well :)
[20:00] <joshjtl> Quintasan: yeah even with yours i get dep problems
[20:02] <joshjtl> Quintasan: to use qtcurve with firefox do I need to install gtk2-engines-qtcurve?
[20:06] <a|wen> joshjtl: if i remember correctly, then that should be the one
[20:06] <joshjtl> ok
[20:06] <a|wen> joshjtl: and you need to restart your session afterwards
[20:07] <joshjtl> a|wen: firefox session, or kde session?
[20:07] <a|wen> kde
[20:07] <joshjtl> k thx
[20:14] <Quintasan> a|wen: good to hear :D
[20:14] <Quintasan> joshjtl: what dep problems?
[20:15] <joshjtl> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/145086/
[20:15] <joshjtl> those
[20:16] <Quintasan> joshjtl: hmm qt version :/
[20:18] <joshjtl> sad
[20:20] <joshjtl> Quintasan: qtcurve doesnt look like oxygen at all
[20:21] <Quintasan> joshjtl: You dont do it like this
[20:21] <joshjtl> huh?
[20:21] <Quintasan> in Appearance
[20:21] <joshjtl> yeah, then gtk styles and fonts right?
[20:21] <Quintasan> go to GTK Styles and Fonts -> Use Another Style: QtCurve
[20:21] <joshjtl> yeah i did
[20:22] <joshjtl> Quintasan: was i supposed to have installed gtk2-engines-qtcurve ?
[20:22] <Quintasan> install qtcurve package
[20:23] <joshjtl> Quintasan: i did but i also installed gtk2-engines-qtcurve... was that right?
[20:23] <Quintasan> yeah
[20:23] <Quintasan> It works for me
[20:23] <joshjtl> weird
[20:23] <joshjtl> i mean it works... but it doesnt look like oxygen
[20:24] <Quintasan> I have oxygen as mine theme for kde and QtCurve for gtk apps
[20:24] <joshjtl> weird
[20:24] <joshjtl> i mean it looks better than nothing but...
[20:24] <joshjtl> not at all like oxygen :(
[20:26] <joshjtl> Quintasan: youre running jaunty or intrepid
[20:26] <Quintasan> jaunty
[20:26] <joshjtl> oh im running intrepid
[20:29] <Quintasan> but that shouldnt be a problem
[20:29] <Quintasan> you can always try qtcurve from jaunty :P
[20:38] <valgaav> since jaunty update to 4.2.2 when clicking on kickoff the text cursor is no longer focused on the search bar
[20:38] <valgaav> is it a known issue ?
[20:38] <kady> valgaav: you noticed as well?
[20:39] <valgaav> yes I use the search  quite a lot :) so it's known then I guess ... is it upstream ?
[20:43] <kady> I guess. I switched out to lancelot a long time ago I just happened to see that it didn't focus anymore
[20:43]  * kady eggs valgaav on to try lancelot :)
[20:43] <Quintasan> valgaav: or try raptor :P
[20:43] <valgaav> I like kickoff though :)
[20:45] <Quintasan> valgaav: it's upstream
[20:45] <Quintasan> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188655
[20:45] <a|wen> valgaav: very annoying issue ... bug 354059 and upstream already
[20:48] <Quintasan> well, I'm off guys, good night
[20:50] <a|wen> nn Quintasan
[20:52] <valgaav> night
[20:56] <blizzz> how well does the network manager applet work with mobile broadband connections? on a ride share today, there was a guy with such device. he offered me to test it, however it did not quite work. though he gave me all needed information, the applet did not (or showed) no connection. curiously, a blinking led of that device said "hey, i got umts-connection". but neither i could ping google nor ifconfig (or anything else) gave an active
[20:56] <blizzz> connection. on his xp and gnome it worked without any problem.
[20:57] <a|wen> proposed patch for bug 224461 improved... please everybody test the kdebase-workspace package in kubuntu-experimental
[21:12] <neversfelde> ah, my debian/changelog is a symlink :) "libbilbokblog-dev: debian-changelog-file-is-a-symlink". Can someone explain to me, what that means, how could it be and what to do?
[21:12] <neversfelde> I am not sure about that lintian message
[21:13] <ScottK> Multiple binary CDBS package?
[21:13] <neversfelde> ScottK: mhh, I think so
[21:14] <neversfelde> I tried to split a lib from the main package
[21:14] <ScottK> If so, don't worry.  Ubuntu has a CDBS change that does that to save CD space.  As long as the package with the symlink depends on the one with the actual file you can ignore it.
[21:15] <a|wen> ScottK: is it a pure cdbs feature to create those symlinks?
[21:15] <neversfelde> oh, yes it does, the lib is without that message, only main package and lib-dev
[21:15] <neversfelde> ScottK: thanks
[21:15] <ScottK> a|wen: Yes.  And an Ubuntu unique one at that.
[21:16]  * a|wen shuffles bug 321404 over to cdbs
[21:17] <neversfelde> if the lib is a fork of another lib, do I have to mention the authors and copyrighzt of original lib in debian/copyright. Or is it enough it upstream does this?
[21:17] <ScottK> neversfelde: You need to mention everything upstream does.
[21:17] <ScottK> It's ~ OK to skip minor copyright holders.
[21:18] <ScottK> All licenses MUST be in debian/copyright.
[21:18] <neversfelde> ok, than I will have to do a lot^^ Thanks ScottK
[21:48] <claydoh> neversfelde: bilbo blogger is nice, thanks for the packages ;)
[21:48] <claydoh> too bad blogger.com doesn't support image uploading, etc
[21:48] <neversfelde> claydoh: new ones are currently building and they seem to be at least lintian clean
[21:49] <claydoh> I compiled it myself before noticing the repo :)
[21:49]  * neversfelde learned to much packaging and to little law today :)
[21:49]  * claydoh thinks maybe he should change his blog platform
[21:50] <neversfelde> claydoh: I switched to wordpress, it is awesome. s9y was too, but you can't use bilbo and co with it
[22:29] <joshjtl> Quintasan: what packages do I need to be able to build stasks from source?
[22:35] <joshjtl> Quintasan: are you there?


[00:03] <marcoceppi> oy, magicaltrout, you're in dc and you didn't tell me! :)
[00:15] <magicaltrout> not any more marcoceppi sadly
[00:15] <magicaltrout> flew home last friday
[00:16] <magicaltrout> out there helping track down human traffickers and gun smugglers on the dark web... as one does
[00:25] <petevg> magicatrout: we both managed to snub marcoceppi.
[00:25] <petevg> Whoops.
[00:26] <petevg> ^ magicaltrout (without typos in your handle, this time)
[00:30] <magicaltrout> yeah mine involved minimal social activity, and lots of crazy shit i didn't understand
[00:30] <magicaltrout> i have since enrolled myself on a deep learning course
[00:37] <marcoceppi> cool, well if you're ever back in DC hit me up
[00:38] <magicaltrout> i shall be marcoceppi
[00:38] <magicaltrout> probably march
[00:38] <magicaltrout> i'll prod you when i find out
[00:38] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: cool, hopefully I'll also be in town ;)
[00:40] <bdx> marcoceppi: should we be including a reference to datadog in the interfaces?
[00:41] <bdx> marcoceppi: erggg, *in the datadog state interface name
[00:41] <bdx> jeeezee - s/state/stat/
[00:42] <bdx> e.g. interface-php-fpm-stats
[00:43] <bdx> should we make it a convention to possibly have 'interface-datadog-<integration-name>' for all of the integrations?
[00:43] <bdx> since there will be alot of them
[00:44] <bdx> I feel like it will be confusing if we don't signify datadog in there somehow ... bc the names of the majority of the integrations are alto the names of juju charms
[00:51] <marcoceppi> bdx: other than datadog being a reference implementation, there's really nothing datadog specific
[00:58] <bdx> marcoceppi: nice, that makes sense.... so then these interfaces could be applicable to other use cases hopefully
[00:58] <marcoceppi> bdx: that's the plan
[00:59] <marcoceppi> bdx: I hope to do a sysdig implementation using a few of these
[00:59] <marcoceppi> as a proof of concept
[01:00] <bdx> ahh ... Sysdig looks like they are blasting native container support
[01:00] <marcoceppi> bdx: yeah, I'm interested in it for kubernetes
[01:02] <bdx> I figured as much ... from a high level ... it looks like they rolled a bunch of cli monitoring tools into one place .. cool ... no gui tho?
[01:03] <bdx> sysdig looks really cool ... I'll have to dig into it
[01:07] <bdx> I see now, sysdig doesn't log data really, it more or less gives you a realtime (and for some things historical) view into the system through a centralized ui - very useful
[01:10] <marcoceppi> bdx: yeah, you can then tap that into sysdig cloud, their saas
[01:30] <lazyPower> sysdig cloud is *intense*
[05:20] <Ankammarao> Hi i am facing browser issue with z ubuntu , getting the error like "Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[09:21] <kjackal>  Good morinig Juju world
[10:03] <deanman> Good morning !
[10:19] <Ankammarao> kwmonroe,Hi Good morning
[10:20] <Ankammarao> kwmonroe i have some firefox browser issue, we are charming IBM products
[10:21] <Ankammarao> kwmonroe can you help me regarding the browser issue on ubuntu z machine
[11:01] <deanman> j #EliteBNC
[11:02] <magicaltrout> indeed!
[11:04] <deanman> sticky fingers
[11:29] <kjackal> magicaltrout: are you still in the EU?
[11:29] <kjackal> magicaltrout: How is the car project going :)
[11:30] <kjackal> Ankammarao: kwmonroe will be available later today. If there is anything I can help you with let me know
[11:31] <Ankammarao> kjackal Hi
[11:32] <Ankammarao> kjackal, having issue with firefox in ubuntu z terminal
[11:32] <magicaltrout> yeah kjackal I'm sat in the frozen heartlands.... mostly known as the east of england
[11:33] <Ankammarao> kjackal getting error when run firefox in the terminal "Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[11:34] <kjackal> Ankammarao: is this the case with other browsers as well?
[11:35] <kjackal> Ankammarao: does not seem to be a juju related issue. Is it?
[11:35] <Ankammarao> kjackal we have tried with chromium browser to install but getting error
[11:36] <Ankammarao> kjackal yeah its related to ubuntu machine i guess
[11:38] <kjackal> Ankammarao: I do not know much about the firefox build on Z
[11:38] <kjackal> Ankammarao: however I would recomend you asking in #ubuntu-powerpc
[11:39] <Ankammarao> kjackal thank you
[11:39] <kjackal> Ankammarao: here is a list of IRC channels we have. You might find a better match https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[11:40] <Ankammarao> kjackal i will check it thanks
[11:41] <kjackal> magicaltrout: Ahhh very nice. The alternative would have been a life-threatening desert (LA) where coconuts would ruin your brand new tesla :)
[11:54] <magicaltrout> this is true kjackal
[12:19] <marcoceppi> stub: will this work?
[12:20] <marcoceppi> stub: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23588297/
[12:21] <marcoceppi> stub: mainly, can I set access to 'pg_stat_database' and is that how you would interact with the results
[12:21] <stub> marcoceppi: That looks correct
[12:21] <marcoceppi> \o/ about to test, so we'll see ;)
[12:21] <stub> marcoceppi: oh... pg_stat_database is a view inside every database, not a database itself.
[12:22] <stub> marcoceppi: but it should work... it just creates an empty database called pg_stat_database for your client to connect to.
[12:23] <stub> marcoceppi: And you probably need to pass in the database name to configure_integration (psql.maser.dbname, which in this case will be 'pg_stat_database' because that is what you asked for)
[12:25] <marcoceppi> stub: according to the setup guide: create user datadog with password '<bleh>'; grant SELECT ON pg_stat_database to datadog
[12:25] <marcoceppi> trying to replicate this using the pgsql interface, but maybe that's not possible?
[12:25] <stub> marcoceppi: You would do that after connecting to the database you want to use
[12:26] <marcoceppi> stub: well, I want all databases
[12:26] <marcoceppi> stub: the documentation has no parameter for "database"
[12:27] <stub> marcoceppi: datadog needs to connect to a database and run selects on the pg_stat_database table. In this case, it doesn't matter what dbname you use.
[12:27] <stub> marcoceppi: So...
[12:27] <stub> marcoceppi: In configure_db, I'd set_database('datadog') since that is unlikely to conflict with anything else
[12:28] <stub> marcoceppi: And ...
[12:29] <stub> marcoceppi: in configure_postgresql_integration pass 'dbname': pgsql.master.dbname
[12:30] <stub> marcoceppi: For the charm to do the grant, it needs an administrative connection. And if you give it an administrative connection, it doesn't need the grant run.
[12:30] <stub> marcoceppi: So just relate it to db-admin instead of db and you might be done
[12:33] <stub> (I should have called the set_database method set_dbname to avoid confusion. The setting on the relation is 'database', which I inherited. But in the PostgreSQL world it is usually referred to as dbname)
[12:33] <marcoceppi> no worries
[12:34] <marcoceppi> trying with db-admin
[12:34] <marcoceppi> thanks!
[12:34] <stub> np.
[12:39] <stub> marcoceppi: if you get that working, try it with a non-administrative connection. The grant should be unnecessary, at least with modern versions of PostgreSQL. I'm able to query it as an unprivileged user here
[12:40] <stub> (some views are protected, like pg_stat_activity, but pg_stat_database doesn't contain any sensitive information and seems to be public)
[12:41] <marcoceppi> stub: cool, will give it a go
[12:58] <slrocketchat> marcoceppi:  used the layer-mongodb in our chat charm - but the default 2.6.10 instance needs an `rs.initiate()` from mongo shell before being functional ... is there anyway to set that by default?
[13:02] <marcoceppi> slrocketchat: mongodb charm is missing replicaset support, it's the last thing needed
[13:03] <slrocketchat> marcoceppi:  thanks!
[13:03] <marcoceppi> slrocketchat: I've got a stub for it, but I need help completing it, happy to collab on it
[13:04] <marcoceppi> slrocketchat: I started mapping that out here https://github.com/marcoceppi/layer-mongodb/blob/master/lib/charms/layer/mongodb.py#L101
[13:05] <marcoceppi> I just never was able to get replicasets to come online in a stable fashion
[13:06] <slrocketchat> marcoceppi:  happy to take a look.  all the docker solution i see uses tricky unreliable time delay strategies.  But we only need the single instance as a primary (because Rocket.Chat acts as secondary and parses oplog) so our requirements are non-typical.
[13:07] <marcoceppi> slrocketchat: well, Juju as a third party, does a "leadership" election. I'm happy to pilot a lot of the code, I just need someone with better mongo experience than me to help me figure out the pitfalls
[13:14] <magicaltrout> multicontainer docker stuff, still makes me sad, so i'm not surprised its flaky! ;)
[13:15] <slrocketchat> marcoceppi:  we can definitely help to put the layer through the grinder .. once we complete the charm it is expected to be widely deployed in varied configuations :)
[13:16] <marcoceppi> slrocketchat: well I love rocket chat, so happy to work with you all :)
[13:16]  * magicaltrout googles rocket chat.. i clearly live in a cave
[13:17] <slrocketchat> marcoceppi:  goes both ways - we enjoy having gurus around us, solving problems that we hit in seconds with no run arounds :+1:
[14:39] <deanman> Hi, quick question, might have stumbled on this before but don't recall. Shouldn't newly created models be inheriting same configuration of default?
[14:44] <lazyPower> deanman: only if you juju set-model-defaults
[14:44] <lazyPower> deanman: othewrise juju set-model-config only applies to the currently selected model
[14:46] <deanman> lazyPower, during bootstrapping i configured http proxy and that was passed to defalt. When i created a new one it wasn't inherited. Should i manually configure every new model or is there a better way ?
[14:46] <lazyPower> deanman: i'm fairly certain the bootstrap constraints only apply at time of bootstrap in juju2. marcoceppi can you fact check my statement above? ^
[14:47] <deanman> No worries, just want to make sure whether there is a quick way to copy defaults from one model to another.
[14:47] <lazyPower> deanman: i'm pretty certain you want to set-model-defaults then
[14:49] <deanman> `juju set-model-defaults` does not exist on my 2.0.1
[14:49] <deanman> newer command addition ?
[14:51] <deanman> got it, `model-defaults`
[14:53] <deanman> no way to pass a file that has pre-configured the key-value configurations?
[14:59] <marcoceppi> deanman: you can
[15:00] <marcoceppi> deanman: you should be able to
[15:01] <lazyPower> deanman: doesn't look like it has support for feeding a file. That looks like a bug/feature-request to me.
[15:03] <deanman> ok thank you, i''ll file two feature requests then, one to be able to carry over configuration passed during bootstrap and a second to be able to load configuration to a model using a file.
[15:05] <SimonKLB> trying to co-locate two charms on the same machine but i'm getting into trouble with mis-matching python libs - would it be a good idea to try to run charms in separate virtual envs?
[15:09] <marcoceppi> SimonKLB: which charms?
[15:09] <SimonKLB> marcoceppi: my own and cs:~chris.macnaughton/influxdb-4
[15:09] <marcoceppi> SimonKLB: if they're reactive charms, you can turn on the "enable_venv" option during build time so that their libs (or at least one of their libs) is in a venv
[15:09] <SimonKLB> marcoceppi: neat! :)
[15:09] <marcoceppi> SimonKLB: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-basic#layer-configuration
[15:10] <SimonKLB> thanks!
[15:10] <marcoceppi> SimonKLB: cheers
[15:16] <deanman> lazyPower, got them filed as bugs but its the same process for features right?
[15:20] <lazyPower> deanman: correct
[15:20] <lazyPower> SimonKLB: did you file
[15:20] <lazyPower> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/elasticsearch/+bug/1646904 ?
[15:20] <mup> Bug #1646904: ElasticSearch fails at peer-relation-joined <elasticsearch (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1646904>
[15:27] <SimonKLB> lazyPower: thats not me
[15:31] <lazyPower> SimonKLB: k, i didnt think so but was just checking
[20:44] <skay_> hey any mojo person around? I'm building a spec, and the secrets phase seems to have deposited my secrets as expected, but my charm didn't get configured with the values in the secrets file
[22:21] <petevg> cory_fu: https://github.com/juju-solutions/matrix/issues/36
[22:34] <cory_fu> petevg: Replied.  But testing bundles from the charm store is no longer supported at all, and you're attempting to test the current directory as a bundle.  We should probably improve that error message
[22:36] <petevg> cory_fu: I didn't realize that we were officially dropping support. That's fine .. we just need to revise the tests to reflect.
[22:43] <magicaltrout> get with the times petevg !!!
[22:43] <petevg> magicaltrout: I'm so behind.
[22:43] <magicaltrout> me too.... =/
[22:44]  * petevg sheds a single tear
[22:44] <magicaltrout> on the plus side, I have one of my guys working on charms now, so i might actually get some stuff with tests, reviewed etc
[22:44] <magicaltrout> stranger things have happened
[22:45] <magicaltrout> although today I am writing a test suite to test our docker containers......
[22:45]  * magicaltrout also sheds a tear
[22:45] <petevg> One step forward ...
[22:46] <petevg> Though hooray for testing, regardless :-)
[22:46] <magicaltrout> lol, as long as I don't have to write... tests....
[22:46] <magicaltrout> he's working on drill though, I want to get some authentication running in it, but once its done, we'll get some tests in and it reviewed then hopefully you guys can utilising it in your big data bundles
[22:47] <magicaltrout> -ing +e
[22:47] <cory_fu> bcsaller: If the deploy task encounters a critical error, how can it signal that the test should abort?  Returning False makes it hang on the other rules
[22:51] <petevg> magicaltrout: I look forward to playing around with it :-)
[22:59] <magicaltrout> liar
[23:16] <cory_fu> petevg, bcsaller: https://github.com/juju-solutions/matrix/pull/37
[23:18] <petevg> cory_fu: code looks good to me.
[23:18] <petevg> Thank you :-)
[23:19] <petevg> Merged.
[23:19] <cory_fu> petevg: Thanks
[23:19] <petevg> np
[23:20] <petevg> cory_fu, bcsaller: I experimented with integrating the "subordinate okay" stuff more organically into the typing, but I wound up just making monstrosities.
[23:20] <cory_fu> bcsaller: I went with pre-validating the path instead of aborting more cleanly when the deploy failed, but I'm still curious how we would perform a "clean" abort if we needed to.
[23:21] <bcsaller> cory_fu: I think i have some outstanding code for that. let me see if it still works
[23:21] <cory_fu> bcsaller: That also came up when I was working on the ubuntui changes.  I was going to add a Cancel button but I couldn't figure out how to make it actually abort
[23:25] <petevg> cory_fu, bcsaller: shouldn't it be something like loop.stop(), model.disconnect(), loop.close()? (I guess you may not have access to the model to disconnect it, and the disconnect method may not work after you call loop.stop ...)
[23:40] <bdx> I see now, sysdig doesn't log data really, it more or less gives you a realtime (and for some things historical) view into the system through a centralized ui - very useful
[23:41] <bdx> aawwwweee