[03:46] <ahoneybun> I see you fixed video decoding on bacon mariogrip
[07:10] <talonz> has anyone heard if they are going to restock the meizu pro 5 or are we having to wait for a new device to be released ?
[11:13] <guest892> hi, i have a question regarding the file browser of ubuntu touch and i wanted to ask where i can report bugs if i found one
[11:18] <ahoneybun> guest892: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[11:49] <guest892> ahoneybun: thanks
[11:50] <guest892> about the file browser: i have an sd card but it is not detected via the file browser (the sd card is detected, but no content is visible), however via the terminal the content of the sd card is accessible - do you have any idea what could cause this issue (i have the aquaris m10 tablet)
[12:03] <ahoneybun> mm
[12:04] <ahoneybun> have you tried that SD Card app guest892?
[12:05] <ahoneybun> not sure if it is on the M10 I know it is on the Nexus 7
[12:05] <ahoneybun> even if we don't have the port
[12:05] <guest892> ahoneybun: I did not know there was an app
[12:05] <guest892> do you have the link?
[12:05] <ahoneybun> the factory image has it for the Nexus 7
[12:05] <ahoneybun> https://uappexplorer.com/ this searches the store on the web
[12:06] <ahoneybun> mm sd brings up nothing
[12:07] <ahoneybun> https://www.flickr.com/photos/44748317@N08/26743509472/in/album-72157667368951370/\
[12:07] <ahoneybun> the External Drive
[12:07] <ahoneybun> not sure what it does since I don't have the port
[12:10] <ahoneybun> guest892: maybe it is not formatted correct guest892?
[12:10] <ahoneybun> opps
[12:11] <ahoneybun> oh also SD Cards have a little slide on them to unlock them
[12:11] <ahoneybun> that might be turned the wrong way
[12:22] <brandkopf2> hi
[12:22] <mimecar> hi brandkopf2
[12:23] <brandkopf2> just playing with kiwi irc on ubuntu touch.. so dont mind me :)
[13:28] <guest892> ahoneybun: sorry for the delay - i don't think it's not correctly formatted because it can be accessed by the terminal and by sshfs
[13:42] <ahoneybun> mm odd then guest892
[13:58] <b0s3d> hello, i have an aquaris m10, how do i make it read microsd?
[14:07] <b0s3d> i can insert it but i can't use it
[14:14] <ogra_> did you format it in the device ?
[14:16] <b0s3d> how should i do that? brb
[14:47] <guest892> i have an smartphone with firefox os: alcatel one touch fire e - did anyone try to install ubuntu touch on this device?
[14:56] <b0s3d> back
[14:59] <guest892> b0s3d: check with dmesg or fdisk -l (might need root priveleges for the second command) in the terminal if your device sees the sd card
[15:00] <b0s3d> alright, i have to nwipe it but i will return if i have further questions :)
[15:02] <xyz1> \list
[16:39] <dobey> b00s3d: only vfat formatted SD cards are auto-mounted currently
[16:45] <b00s3d> vfat?
[16:47] <dobey> yes
[16:47] <dobey> is your sd card formatted with a different filesystem?
[16:47] <b00s3d> how do i format it in vfat .. don't you mean fat?
[16:48] <dobey> what fs type is it currently formatted in?
[16:48] <b00s3d> fat
[16:48] <dobey> which version of fat?
[16:49] <b00s3d> 32 bit
[16:49] <dobey> then it should be automounted when you plug it into an ubuntu phone/tablet
[16:51] <b00s3d> i can see it in folders, but i can't make an new folder on the sd
[16:52] <dobey> you mean in the file manager app?
[17:42] <Tofe> Hello
[17:43] <Tofe> I wonder, would it make sense to install ubuntu touch on a regular laptop with a touchscreen ?
[17:47] <b00s3d> dobey yes
[19:24] <gamax92> Wondering if anyone knows offhand of any ports with working sound that are based off of snd_soc_msm or msm8960-snd-card or similar, starting to dive into UCM fun
[20:37] <dobey> Tofe: yes/no. phone/tablet images are specially built for specific devices, and the same packages which are installed don't necessarily make sense on a normal PC. you can however install the unity8-desktop-session-mir package (and add the PPA used for phone images if you're on 16.04), to try things out. note that there are some binary compat issues with 16.04 versus what the phone images are based on (15.04), which haven't been
[20:38] <dobey> b0s3d: maybe file a bug report against the file manager app then
[20:39] <dobey> Tofe: you'll also need to use open source video drivers on a PC right now. intel should work, and i think amd might with open source drivers. not sure about nvidia
[20:39] <b0s3d> the whole system is buggy, everything seriously
[21:28] <Tofe> dobey: ok thanks
[21:29] <b0s3d> dobey, i figured it out..
[21:30] <b0s3d> i formated it to fat and inserted it into the computer with usb, where i found the same folders as the device contains it self, just linked to the device i suppose, transfered some music and its all there now


[11:31] <aeon90> when installing slurm on ubuntu 18.04, how are you supposed to start slurmd and slurmctld? I can start them manually in the terminal, but systemd fails to start them, they simply time out
[14:25] <frickler> jamespage: coreycb: just stumbled about this old issue when updating our cookbooks for stein, any chance this still can get resolved? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1567935
[15:32] <teward> does anyone know if the Apache web server sets up `www-data` user if the user/group don't already exist?
[15:32] <teward> need some server team input on some things
[15:32] <teward> cc sarnold
[15:35] <rbasak> teward: I'm not sure without looking, but you might find https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#uid-and-gid-classes helpful.
[15:36] <teward> yeah i know those classes...
[15:36] <teward> rbasak: the core problem is...
[15:36] <teward> bug #1860388
[15:36] <teward> where MaaS deploy fails because user removed www-data
[15:36] <teward> question is whether there's anything stopping us from recreating it, though I'm not fond of 'forcing' a user into existence if it's been removed by another process
[15:37] <teward> (the core problem there is there's some atypical 'user provided hardened ubuntu image' that has the default users in 0-99 UID groups stripped out
[15:37] <teward> and that's caused the issue.  Not sure it's an *nginx package fixable issue* though)
[15:38] <rbasak> Is www-data created by base-files?
[15:40] <teward> not sure
[15:41] <rbasak> It might be the installer
[15:41] <rbasak> https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#uid-and-gid-classes says only that "new ids in this range being added automatically as the base-passwd package is updated"
[15:42] <teward> base-passwd is different than base-files at source
[15:42] <rbasak> I'd say the bug is invalid then, just on the basis that www-data is globally allocated and is in passwd and group of all Debian systems by Debian policy. Removing that breaks your system and it's reasonable for packages to assume that they are present.
[15:42] <teward> checking base-passwd
[15:42] <rbasak> I can write that in the bug if you like.
[15:43] <teward> www-data is created by base-passwd
[15:43] <teward> so then yes, this would be a 'you broke your system' state.
[15:43] <teward> please do
[15:43] <teward> you'll word it better than I will :P
[15:43] <teward> *is exhausted*
[15:46] <teward> rbasak: mdeslaur at 'a glance' seems to agree with us that this is User Error
[15:46] <teward> and not something the packages should be fixing esp. since base-passwd populates those user datas, and not something we should be fixing if the user wants to torch their system :p
[15:47] <teward> which means that's the basis of 'Invalid'.  Have fun writing it up, I'm going to go find the nearest hard surface to blast my head through (E:ROUGHWEEK)
[15:49] <teward> rbasak: mdeslaur: well, this is explicitly *in* the Debian Policy:  Packages other than base-passwd must not modify /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group or /etc/gshadow.   **In theory** we could reject on that, since nginx asserting www-data exists would alter those files.  (9.2.1)
[15:49] <teward> esp. if it has to add that.  Ultimately, still user error :P
[15:50] <mdeslaur> well, I think that means modify the files directly without using a tool
[15:51] <rbasak> Yeah - plenty of packages modify /etc/passwd (indirectly) to ensure that a user they need exists
[15:51] <rbasak> If you want to use that interpretation, all those packages would be buggy and there'd be no way for packaging to do that.
[15:51] <teward> true.  (I'm tired, sue me xD)
[15:52] <rbasak> I have commented on the bug and marked it Invalid for nginx
[15:54] <teward> thank you very much
[15:54] <teward> *goes to find the largest cup of coffee he can in the workplace to consume it*
[15:58] <mdeslaur> teward: sounds like you need a shot of espresso with a coffee chaser ;)
[15:58] <teward> nah what i need is an extra five hours sleep
[15:58] <teward> if i had my way i'd have five shots of espresso
[15:59] <teward> three lattes
[15:59] <teward> and coffee
[17:41] <supaman> on a computer using ufw, would ufw deny IP, deny all connections from that computer to that IP?
[17:54] <Chuckfu> question, I have a ubuntu server 18.04 I have enable ufw and am trying to receive mail from an application who's log says the connection is being refused, I added port 587 by doing the following as root ufw allow 587/tcp says it updates any ideas
[17:56] <Chuckfu> beware I am a newbie trying to learn this by doing
[18:30] <supaman> Chuckfu: if you issue 'sudo ufw status' you should see a line on the note of '587    ALLOW    Anywhere'
[18:33] <Chuckfu> it show it ALLOW anywhere, but a telnet into that port 587 is still refused while on another system connect fine, really weird, probably something small I'm missing
[18:34] <jdstrand> Chuckfu: you should be able to see if another port needs to be opened (eg, port 25) too by looking at firewall denials in /var/log/ufw.log or dmesg
[18:36] <Chuckfu> I'll do
[18:37] <supaman> that depends on loglevel right?
[18:37] <Chuckfu> when I make change to ufw do I need to restart it
[18:37] <Chuckfu> ufw that is
[18:38] <supaman> I have mine set to low and don't see any logging when I issue a command that is blocked by firewall
[18:39] <Chuckfu> how did you set it to low
[18:39] <supaman> Chuckfu: nope, don't need to do that. ufw updaes the iptables immediately
[18:40] <supaman> Chuckfu: issuing 'ufw logging low'
[18:40] <Chuckfu> humm but when trouble shooting I should leave it like it is too see issues right
[18:41] <supaman> Chuckfu: if log level is set to high or medium then yes
[18:42] <Chuckfu> what is the command to see what level its at I have not done anything but add ports to it
[18:43] <Chuckfu> is there someway of filtering to only see port 587 block
[18:44] <supaman> Chuckfu: too see the current level look in /etc/ufw/ufw.conf
[18:45] <jdstrand> supaman: yes, but the default loglevel is low, which will show some stuff
[18:46] <jdstrand> "logs all blocked packets not matching the defined policy (with rate limiting), as well as packets matching logged rules"
[18:46] <Chuckfu> screwed up I did a nano ufw.log | grep "BLOCK" seems froze right now
[18:46] <jdstrand> they might be redirected somewhere
[18:46] <jdstrand> Chuckfu: ctrl+c that
[18:46] <Chuckfu> yeah nothing
[18:46] <jdstrand> Chuckfu: just do: grep "BLOCK" /var/log/ufw.log
[18:47] <Chuckfu> it locked up, oh well thats how you learn
[18:47] <supaman> Chuckfu: do ctrl-x
[18:47] <supaman> that exits nano
[18:47] <Chuckfu> nada
[18:48] <supaman> hmmm
[18:48] <Chuckfu> lol I just cold rebooted  not good, hopefully I didn't blow it up
[18:49] <supaman> :-)
[18:49] <supaman> it should have been in nano mode and the usual ctrl-x to exit nano should have worked
[18:50] <Chuckfu> ok back up
[18:50] <Chuckfu> no issues
[18:52] <Chuckfu> ok ufw is set to low
[18:53] <supaman> if you don't see anything in /var/log/ufw.log then issue 'ufw logging medium' and try doing the email again
[18:53] <supaman> then you should see a lot more info from ufw
[18:54] <Chuckfu> it said low and I just perform that command
[18:55] <supaman> you can also see ufw "realtime" messages with 'journalctl -f' or 'tail -f /var/log/ufw.log'
[19:00] <Chuckfu> is there a way to allow traffic IN/OUT on port 587
[19:03] <supaman> you originally did ufw allow 587/tcp ... don't remember if you need udp also ... so you could try 'ufw allow 587'
[19:04] <supaman> is this server a public server or just for your home use?
[19:04] <jdstrand> Chuckfu: the default policy allows all outbound traffic. it also uses connection tracking so traffic related to the initial connect on 587 is allowed
[19:05] <jdstrand> Chuckfu: if you changed the default (sudo ufw status verbose), then you would need to add egress (outgoing) rules from your system to somewhere else, port 587
[19:10] <Chuckfu> can I reset ufw to default
[19:14] <Chuckfu> or will disabling ufw allow all traffic to pass
[19:16] <supaman> if you disable ufw then all computers that have direct access to that computer can access all ports that are open on that computer
[19:17] <supaman> if that computer is behind a NAT then there is much less danger, but still whichever port is natted into the computer is accessable from outside the NAT
[19:18] <Chuckfu>  guess I need to reset the firewall and start from scratch, adding whatever is needed and creating the outgoing rules
[19:18] <Chuckfu> or I could put together a pfsense firewall before it, something with a gui so I can see whats going on
[19:19] <supaman> yeah, not sure how to reset ufw
[19:20] <supaman> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/how-to-reset-the-firewall-on-ubuntu
[19:20] <sarnold>        reset  Disables and resets firewall to installation defaults. Can also give the --force option to perform the reset without confirmation.
[19:29] <Chuckfu> thank you very much for the help been awesome learning lesson
[19:30] <Chuckfu> be glad you don't live in Phoenix, I'd have you camping at my house teaching me
[19:31] <supaman> camping in Phoenix ... hmmm :-)
[19:31] <sarnold> phoenix, indeed, I'd be dead from heat stroke by june :)
[19:31] <supaman> considering I live close to 66°N yup, same here
[19:32] <sarnold> supaman: hehe, even december may be too hot for you then :)
[19:32] <supaman> yup :-)
[19:34] <Chuckfu> Oh but the fall, winter and spring months are awesome low of 50's high of 70's
[19:35] <Chuckfu> but yeah summer you go AC to AC
[19:35] <supaman> had -10°C here the other day, it was refreshing :-)


[04:55] <ian_001> is there a reason when i press "play online steams" it does nothing?
[04:56] <ian_001> im trying to access mythstream, i've added streams to the list but i cant access the actual fnuctionality
[05:01] <Tari> I don't know
[05:01] <Tari> maybe the logs can enlighten you further
[05:02] <ian_001> how do i access the logs?
[05:03] <ian_001> or which ones should i be looking at? whats interesting is "mythfrontend stream" works from the command line
[05:05] <tgm4883_laptop> ian_001, I didn't really play around with it that much, but wondered the same thing
[05:05] <tgm4883_laptop> have you tried known working streams?
[05:06] <ian_001> yeah the plugin works just fine, if i typed "mythfrontend stream" at the command line it works perfectly, but if i load just mythfrontend and click "play online streams' it just sits there and does nothing
[05:06] <ian_001> i think i finally found a bug about it
[05:06] <ian_001> but it seems to be an edgy issue
[05:06] <ian_001> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythstream/+bug/136483
[05:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136483 in mythbuntu "mythstream-0.17.2 fails to load in mythtv-0.20.2" [Medium,Fix committed]
[05:07] <tgm4883_laptop> ian_001, no thats a different bug
[05:07] <tgm4883_laptop> you couldn't even get into mythstream with that
[05:07] <ian_001> i cant
[05:07] <ian_001> thats my problem
[05:07] <tgm4883_laptop> oh
[05:07] <ian_001> but just like in the bug report, using "myfrontend stream" i can
[05:08] <tgm4883_laptop> so, when you try to go into mythstream nothing happens?
[05:09] <ian_001> yes, if i start mythtv with just "mythfrontend"
[05:10] <tgm4883_laptop> are you starting it from the terminal (mythfrontend that is)
[05:10] <ian_001> i dont nomrally but since i am having this problem, yes
[05:10] <ian_001> if i just boot the machine it has the same problem though
[05:10] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[05:11] <tgm4883_laptop> then start it from the terminal, try to access mythstream, then exit.  See if it gives you an error in the terminal
[05:11] <ian_001> perfect, Unable to initialize plugin 'mythtream'.
[05:12] <ian_001> do you have any idea where i would find that string to fix it?
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> perfect
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> that is the exact problem that the above mentioned bug is
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> now the question remains to why it hasn't been fixed in edgy
[05:13] <tgm4883_laptop> unfortunatly superm1, who fixed it, is not around right now
[05:14] <ian_001> just to clarify a possible miscommunication, i am using the latest MythBuntu from Sept 1
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> even better
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> you need to apt-get update then apt-get upgrade
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> as it has been fixed for mythbuntu
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> I don't know why I thought you were using edgy
[05:15] <ian_001> i mentioned it above thinking this problem had been fixed in edgy but i had misread, my fault
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> I misread your post too
[05:16] <ian_001> i live in complete fear of apt-get update though because it always breaks my remote
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:16] <ian_001> i can wait for the next build
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[05:17] <tgm4883_laptop> what remote?
[05:17] <ian_001> hauppauge
[05:17] <ian_001> 150 tuner card
[05:17] <tgm4883_laptop> you may just be able to fix it (if it breaks) in the control centre
[05:18] <ian_001> with the previous mythbuntu alpha that didnt work, i wonder where that string is stored though .. since its a plugin you would think it just gets registered in a configuration file somewhere
[05:19] <tgm4883> ??, the control centre was just added to alpha 4
[05:19] <tgm4883> with that being said, there is a lircd.conf file and a .lircrc file
[05:20] <ian_001> i had the remote problem using alpha 3 and came here and the path i was sent on was gui based so i just presumed it was the control center
[05:20] <ian_001> the problem would be the driver wouldnt load correctly
[05:21] <ian_001> at least with alpha 3
[05:21] <tgm4883> laga, if you're around, i'm going to do more testing on the firewire right after I build a new disk with updates
[05:21] <tgm4883> interesting
[05:21] <tgm4883> you may be able to just update the package that was broken, although im not sure which one that is
[05:22] <ian_001> sounds like a good plan, i think i might poke around a little bit, wouldnt hurt for me to learn smoething
[05:23] <ian_001> yeah!
[05:23] <ian_001> i just did  'sudo cp libmythstream.so liblibmythtream.so' and now it works
[05:23] <tgm4883> There is also a list of known bugs for alpha 4 at http://www.mythbuntu.org/
[05:23] <ian_001> i know its a terrible hack
[05:24] <tgm4883> yep
[05:24] <tgm4883> that does work
[05:24] <tgm4883> also a sym link
[05:24] <ian_001> oh a symlink owuld have been a much more linux solution! i should try that
[05:25] <tgm4883> although, I believe that it still wont work as there is also the issue of mythtream
[05:25] <ian_001> it loaded perfectly for me
[06:31] <sslashes> any idea why mythmusic visualizations would not work?
[07:39] <kieran491> Hi i am having problems with my mythtv box it seems that it is storing incorect data about my tvcards i the database is refering to an adapter1 but this is not even present on my machine i only have adapter0 just wondering if any one has had the same problem and if so how did you fix it?
[07:46] <mactenchi> are the final feisty packages available?
[09:27] <firekool> does anyone have any problems keeping interface working well with visulations when listening to music
[10:17] <laga> re
[11:36] <MythbuntuGuest70> Hi folks - got some problems...  I have a wifi card that needs ndiswrapper but it doesn't seem to be installed by default
[11:37] <MythbuntuGuest70> how do i go about doing that?  I've got ndiswrapper 1.47 on a usb key and mounted - but make returns errors taht it can't find the kernel build files
[11:37] <MythbuntuGuest70> to complicate matters - my hardware network adapter doesn't seem to work so I need to transfer everything by hand to the computer and then install
[11:37] <MythbuntuGuest70> how do I do this?
[11:38] <MythbuntuGuest70> The plan so far is:
[11:38] <MythbuntuGuest70> 1.  Install ndiswrapper (suprised this isn't installed by default)
[11:38] <MythbuntuGuest70> 2.  Get the wifi card up and running
[11:39] <MythbuntuGuest70> 3.  Install nvidia drivers so I can get tv-out
[11:43] <laga> hi MythbuntuGuest70
[11:43] <laga> MythbuntuGuest70: what distro are you using?
[11:52] <MythbuntuGuest26> system cut me off again - I'm a newbie at this...  am still looking for ideas on how to get ndiswrapper installed and made on mythbuntu so that I can get a wifi card up and running (netgear WG311v3)
[11:52] <laga> 11:32 < laga> MythbuntuGuest70: what distro are you using?
[11:53] <laga> MythbuntuGuest70: ^^
[11:53] <MythbuntuGuest26> mythbuntu - which comes with just a simple x implementation and not a full desktop
[11:55] <MythbuntuGuest26> make on ndiswrapper fails telling me that it can't find the path to kernel build directory
[12:06] <laga> right
[12:06] <laga> let me start my mythbuntu machine
[12:09] <laga> MythbuntuGuest26: ndiswraper is already installed.
[12:09] <laga> MythbuntuGuest26: maybe you need to install the ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 and ndiswrapper-common package
[12:09] <laga> but the kernel stuff is there.
[12:39] <laga> hey, no problem.
[01:53] <MythbuntuGuest20> hi all
[01:54] <MythbuntuGuest20> I'v a problem whit the repository
[01:55] <MythbuntuGuest20> with apt-get update the computer print this error
[01:55] <MythbuntuGuest20> Impossibile ottenere http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/packages/dists/gutsy/mythbuntu/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[01:55] <MythbuntuGuest20> (impossible to get)
[01:56] <MythbuntuGuest20> someone know the new repository or... the way to resolve this error?
[02:08] <spoky99> hi all
[02:09] <spoky99> superm1 is not there?
[02:09] <spoky99> someone can help me?
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #138247 in lirc (main) "Lirc doesn't support Home-brew serial-port driver Igor Cesko's variation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138247
[03:24] <Koffa> is there a simple howto for installing mythbuntu w/ raid1?
[03:25] <laga> that's not possible yet in the installer. you probably have to create the raid1 yourself
[03:26] <Koffa> I've created it and tried to skip the installers partitioner - "no rootfs defined"....
[03:26] <laga> odd
[03:26] <laga> when does that happen?
[03:31] <MythbuntuGuest68> Can anyone tell me if MU has the DVB Firmware for NOVA-T Dib0700?
[03:31] <Koffa> after I leave the installers partitioner... the problem is that the installer asks all the questions and then does the formatting+installing without possibility for user intervention as in normal debian/ubuntu installer
[03:31] <laga> what's the file name?
[03:32] <laga> Koffa: can't you just tell the installer to use the file system on the raid 1 and be done with it?
[03:32] <Koffa> it doesn't see those
[03:32] <laga> oh.
[03:32] <Koffa> it only shows /dev/sd*, not /dev/md*
[03:32] <laga> :/
[03:33] <laga> Koffa: you can install from a gutsy "alternate" cd and install the mythbuntu-related meta packages if you want
[03:34] <mpmc> Just a few more questions: Will MU work with my Speed-link remote control, It's a HID
[03:34] <laga> mpmc: what's the file name for the firmware?
[03:34] <laga> mpmc: does it work in feisty? if yes, it'll likely work in mythbuntu
[03:35] <mpmc> Sec.. See If I can remember it.. DVB_Dib0700.01.fw or something like that
[03:35] <mpmc> Well.. It's a Windows Media center type remote.
[03:36] <spoky99> someone know the repository for mithbuntu gutsy?
[03:36] <spoky99> today after one apt-get update..
[03:36] <laga> spoky99: normal ubuntu repository mostly
[03:36] <spoky99> http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/packages/dists/gutsy/mythbuntu/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[03:36] <Koffa> laga :/
[03:37] <laga> spoky99: file a bug report please. shouldn't be too critical since there are no new packages as far as i know
[03:38] <laga> mpmc: there are two dvb-dibusb* files in the firmware directory
[03:38] <spoky99> sorry
[03:38] <spoky99> My english is not good
[03:38] <laga> you can still file a bug report i'm sure
[03:38] <spoky99> yess
[03:38] <MythbuntuGuest35> Just d/c
[03:38] <spoky99> :(
[03:39] <laga> spoky99: what's the problem?
[03:39] <spoky99> I thunk that was more easy.. only to change something into the sources list
[03:39] <spoky99> I'm ging to confgure the remote
[03:39] <spoky99> going
[03:39] <mpmc> Does MU Have the Nvidia-glx?
[03:40] <spoky99> using module-assistant
[03:40] <laga> mpmc: think of mythbuntu as ubuntu + some extra mythtv love.
[03:40] <laga> yes, it has nvidia-glx.
[03:40] <laga> spoky99: what remote?
[03:40] <mpmc> Great, Hopefully i shouldn't have too much trouble with my PCI GFX card lol
[03:40] <spoky99> I'have 2 remote.. the first is... not standard.. the second is a  M$
[03:41] <spoky99> via usb
[03:41] <laga> mpmc: just try it. if it doesn't work, you get to complain in the bug tracker. ;)
[03:41] <laga> spoky99: you don't need to install lirc using modules-assistant.
[03:41] <spoky99> ah
[03:41] <laga> spoky99: mythbuntu/ubuntu gutsy already comes with the lirc modules.
[03:41] <Koffa> laga: so just copy sources.list from this live-cd and get mythbuntu-desktop ?
[03:42] <laga> spoky99: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc should do
[03:42] <spoky99> I often choose the best difficult way todo something :(
[03:42] <laga> spoky99: you wouldn't have succeeded. as far as i know, the lirc-modules-source package was removed
[03:42] <mpmc> Well.. I know I have to configure X after the install.. only issue is Ubuntu attempts to load the xserver, can't & just returns back to the bootscreen. <_<
[03:43] <laga> Koffa: install everything with mythbuntu in the package name
[03:43] <laga> mpmc: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[03:43] <spoky99> I know thta lirc is just into mythbuntu.. but I don't know how make work the remote
[03:43] <mpmc> Laga I can fix it.. But I have to go into recovery @ boot.
[03:44] <mpmc> Which is annoying.
[03:44] <mpmc> I'm talking about Ubuntu.. Hopefully MU will be better.
[03:44] <spoky99> laga: I follow one howto..
[03:44] <laga> spoky99: what howto?
[03:44] <laga> listen, guys.
[03:45] <laga> ifn you have a problem and need help, please have the decency of actually describing your problem properly and telling us what you have already done.
[03:45] <laga> i can't read minds. yet.
[03:45] <spoky99> laga:this http://farrebyc.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/mythtv-su-ubuntu-parte-4/ that is one traslation of this  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_lirc_install
[03:45] <mpmc> Sorry.. My fault I talk random garbage.
[03:46] <laga> mpmc: heh. trying to do too many things at once here so i got annoyed.
[03:46] <laga> spoky99: that howto is outdated.
[03:46] <mpmc> Not your fault, laga:
[03:47] <laga> spoky99: you are basically using ubuntu *GUTSY* now, aka ubuntu 7.10.
[03:47] <laga> mpmc: no worries. i should be friendlier. anyways -what's your problem with X on ubuntu?
[03:51] <laga> brb
[03:52] <MythbuntuGuest17> hello
[03:55] <MythbuntuGuest17> anyone here who can help out with a tv out problem?
[03:58] <spoky99> laga: were I could found one lirc howto for the  microsoft usb remote in gutsy?
[04:05] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest17, what problem
[04:07] <spoky99> laga: are you there?
[04:10] <tgm4883> Daviey, you around?
[04:25] <laga> yes
[04:26] <laga> spoky99: maybe on http://help.ubuntu.com
[04:26] <laga> spoky99: but just run sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc
[04:26] <laga> like i told you one hour ago
[04:27] <spoky99> laga:  thaks!
[04:27] <spoky99> laga: I'm a newbie ad.. I read a lot before make disaster in my computers :D
[04:27] <MythbuntuGuest17> i have an onboard radeon x1250 card and would like to know how to get the tv out to work,..
[04:28] <MythbuntuGuest17> the tv is connected, but i would like to know where i can "activate" the tvout
[04:28] <spoky99> laga: I also have a lcd that don't work
[04:28] <laga> MythbuntuGuest17: AMDCCLE?
[04:28] <spoky99> laga: but... before I wont configure the remote :)
[04:29] <MythbuntuGuest17> amdccle?
[04:29] <laga> MythbuntuGuest17: amd catalyst control centre. it's accessible from the mythbuntu control centre
[04:31] <mpmc> Hi everyone, I have a small issue. I've attempted to run the install (In Safe GFX mode), But I get a message telling me X server can't start & to view the output, which I did, But I cannot see the CLI to use VIM to fix it.. <_<
[04:31] <laga> mpmc: hit ALT+F2?
[04:31] <tgm4883> dang
[04:31] <mpmc> k hold on
[04:31] <tgm4883> laga has already answered all the questions when im like halfway through reading them
[04:32] <tgm4883> dang slow reading morning eyes
[04:32] <mpmc> Laga: Thanks that did the trick!
[04:32] <MythbuntuGuest17> i'll give it a try
[04:33] <laga> tgm4883: heh
[04:36] <spoky99> laga: I understand that mythbuntu don't work whit gnome.. what use?
[04:37] <tgm4883> spoky99, openbox i believe
[04:37] <laga> spoky99: mythbuntu does work with gnome. it just does not come with gnome by default.
[04:37] <mpmc> Hmm.. I've started X & its running.. But all I see is a Gray-ish colour screen & a right click menu.. but I don't see an install option.
[04:37] <tgm4883> dang, even when I beat him he comes out with a better answer
[04:37] <tgm4883> i'm going to go take a nap
[04:37] <laga> tgm4883: didn't you just get up?
[04:37] <tgm4883> yep
[04:37] <laga> slacker
[04:38] <laga> i'm fighting the nvidia driver. won't play nice wih my new DFP and the home-brewn tv-out :/
[04:38] <spoky99> laga: I'm in a sistem administarator session and.. I don't have the gnome bar..
[04:38] <laga> spoky99: yes. because gnome is not installed. where's the problem?
[04:38] <spoky99> ok
[04:39] <laga> spoky99: the next mythbuntu release might include xfce4. it's closer to the gnome 'user experience'
[04:39] <tgm4883> mpmc, you're in a regular openbox session
[04:39] <mpmc> OK.. I'm lost then :P
[04:39] <tgm4883> you may be able to install from there
[04:39] <tgm4883> give me a sec to let laga answer you :)
[04:39] <laga> heh
[04:40] <mpmc> :P
[04:40] <laga> mpmc: what have you done now? booted the install disk and fixed X?
[04:40] <tgm4883> nah, unless he knows off the top of his head, i need to boot my vm
[04:40] <mpmc> Laga yes: I'm running.. But I seen nothing, But a right click menu & I can't access the net ether..
[04:41] <spoky99> I try to open System->Administration->Software Sources but.. I don't understand what I could do whitouth gnome bar, I don't know the code for to start it from terminal
[04:41] <laga> spoky99: what are you trying to do?
[04:42] <laga> mpmc: ok.
[04:42] <laga> mpmc: how did you start X?
[04:42] <spoky99> repare the apt-get update for make one upgrade
[04:42] <mpmc> laga: startx command
[04:42] <laga> spoky99: right click on the desktop
[04:42] <spoky99> yess.... I tryed it
[04:42] <spoky99> I open one terminal
[04:43] <spoky99> I open firefox
[04:43] <laga> mpmc: that's probably not the best choice. try killing X with ctrl+alt+backspace and run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:43] <laga> mpmc: or kdm instead of gdm, but gdm ought to work
[04:43] <mpmc> k
[04:43] <laga> spoky99: so, where is your problem?
[04:43] <spoky99> but Obconf and Reconfigure don't work
[04:44] <mpmc> laga: Gnome display manager: Fail.
[04:44] <mpmc> I'll try kdm
[04:44] <laga> spoky99: "obconf" and "reconfigure" probably work, but they're part of openbox. nothing you should be messing with.
[04:45] <laga> spoky99: what prevents you from just typing in "sudo apt-get update" into the terminal?
[04:45] <mpmc> laga: KDM isn't installed / available, Command not found etc..
[04:46] <spoky99> laga:  apt-get update print this error
[04:46] <laga> mpmc: hum.
[04:47] <laga> mpmc: well, no worries then.
[04:47] <laga> mpmc: run "startx" again
[04:47] <laga> mpmc: and execute.. um.... let me find that command
[04:47] <mpmc> can't I run the installer from there?
[04:47] <laga> mpmc: yes, should be possible
[04:47] <laga> i just need to find out what command to run
[04:48] <mpmc> I'm still pretty new to linux.. But I'm learning loads :)
[04:49] <laga> spoky99: i'll try to verify your problem
[04:49] <tgm4883> spoky99, what error?
[04:50] <spoky99> laga: >	http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/packages/dists/gutsy/mythbuntu/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[04:52] <mpmc> Connection test.
[04:52] <tgm4883> spoky99, what alpha are you using?
[04:52] <spoky99> laga: (I'm waiting he restart of the computer)
[04:52] <laga> mpmc: open a terminal and run "sudo -S /usr/bin/ubiquity mythbuntu_ui"
[04:52] <laga> mpmc: that should work
[04:52] <spoky99> I think the first
[04:53] <tgm4883> spoky, you have a way old sources.list
[04:53] <spoky99> I just upgrade the entre sistem
[04:53] <tgm4883> well you need to get the new sources.list, as the error is because that does not exist anymore
[04:53] <mpmc> laga: OK I gotta type all that out >.<
[04:54] <laga> mpmc: it's good exercise for your fingers!
[04:54] <spoky99> laga: Impossibile ottenere http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/packages/dists/gutsy/mythbuntu/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[04:54] <spoky99> Impossibile ottenere http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/packages/dists/gutsy/mythbuntu/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found
[04:54] <spoky99> (impossible to get)
[04:54] <tgm4883> spoky99, it would be impossible to get something that doesn't exist anymore
[04:55] <spoky99> I could fix it?
[04:55] <tgm4883> yes
[04:55] <laga> spoky99: i'll upload a current sources.list for you
[04:55] <spoky99> I tryed with apt-get -f
[04:55] <tgm4883> arg
[04:55] <spoky99> laga: where I could get it?
[04:57] <laga> spoky99: www.pastebin.ca/687154
[04:57] <mpmc> Laga: Umm.. It didn't run with the mythubuntu_ui param, But has without..
[04:57] <laga> mpmc: odd.
[04:57] <mpmc> oh wait
[04:57] <mpmc> I know
[04:57] <tgm4883> cd burnt, moving to laptop
[04:58] <mpmc> mythUbuntu <_<
[05:00] <spoky99> laga: It work!!!!! thanks!!!
[05:00] <laga> spoky99: cool :)
[05:00] <laga> i didn't know you were running such an old release of mythbuntu
[05:03] <mpmc> laga: I'm in in the install process selecting which remote module etc.. But which? the remote is this one, With a USB receiver.. http://images.speed-link.de/prodpics/SL-6399/large/sl-6399_1.jpg
[05:04] <laga> mpmc: isn't there a MCE remote listed?
[05:04] <tgm4883> is that a MCEUSB 1 remote?
[05:04] <mpmc> It has a USB receiver yes
[05:05] <tgm4883> is that a windows media centre remote
[05:05] <tgm4883> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[05:05] <mpmc> Yes, But not M$ branded.
[05:06] <laga> brb, restarting X
[05:06] <tgm4883> i just spelled it centre without talking about the control centre.  What has Daviey done!!!
[05:06] <laga> tgm4883: 'sup?
[05:06] <laga> heh
[05:06] <tgm4883> mpmc, who makes it?
[05:06] <mpmc> Speed-link
[05:06] <mpmc> http://www.speed-link.de/prod.php?lang=de&sys_id=1&pb_id=12&prod_num=SL-6399
[05:07] <swhalen> hello...xv om playing mythtv shows a blue screen
[05:09] <mpmc> So would that remote be classed as a MCE remote USB?
[05:09] <tgm4883> mpmc, sec
[05:09] <mpmc> k
[05:09] <tgm4883> swhalen, what vid card?
[05:10] <swhalen>  ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]
[05:11] <tgm4883> mpmc, I would think that it was one of the MCEUSB remotes as it's billed as a MCE remote.  How old is it?
[05:11] <tgm4883> swhalen, do you have the restricted drivers enabled or the open source drivers?
[05:11] <mpmc> I only got it yesterday..
[05:11] <tgm4883> ok
[05:12] <mpmc> I'll try it as a MCE old version remote?
[05:12] <tgm4883> mpmc, try using the MCEUSB2 remote.  It should be under Windows Media Center MCEUSB2 or something like that
[05:12] <tgm4883> no, use the new one
[05:12] <mpmc> k..
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> back
[05:14] <swhalen> tgm4883, there are no restricted for my card. ATI only lies xorg 7.1 for my card. So I use "ati" drivers
[05:16] <mpmc> Hmm.. Install has frozen.. after I selected install prop' video driver O.O
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> arg
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> mpmc, yep
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> thats a known bug
[05:16] <mpmc> restart install?
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> the current fix is to install the prop driver later
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[05:16] <mpmc> lol
[05:16] <mpmc> k
[05:17] <tgm4883_laptop> check the list of known alpha 4 bugs at http://www.mythbuntu.org
[05:17] <mpmc> WTF WOW
[05:17] <tgm4883_laptop> what?
[05:17] <swhalen> It there a winpvr card that works with NSCTCC VBI
[05:18] <tgm4883_laptop> swhalen, whats NSCTCC VBI
[05:18] <mpmc> I ctrl+c'd to kill the installer it asked if I wanted to quit.. But it has loaded the additional driver step page :s
[05:18] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:18] <mpmc> huh?
[05:18] <mpmc> lol
[05:19] <mpmc> Thats madness.
[05:19] <swhalen> tgm4883_laptop, Closed caption
[05:19] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:20] <tgm4883_laptop> so what is NSCT then?
[05:20] <tgm4883_laptop> or is it NTSC?
[05:20] <swhalen> NTSC CC, NTSC CC typo
[05:20] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[05:21] <swhalen> how did that get typed twice lol
[05:22] <tgm4883_laptop> i am not sure swhalen, I don't do much with closed captions
[05:22] <swhalen> tgm4883_laptop, the vbi works...ut the video flickers
[05:23] <tgm4883_laptop> arg
[05:23] <tgm4883_laptop> laga
[05:23] <laga> ?
[05:23] <tgm4883_laptop> my installer crashed
[05:23] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[05:23] <laga> did you enable vnc?
[05:24] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[05:24] <laga> pastebin the backtrace and create a b ug report
[05:24] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[05:24] <mpmc> Woo Installing!
[05:24] <laga> for some reason, superm1 talked me into taking care of a ubiquity bug. but i don't know python. ;)
[05:24] <tgm4883_laptop> it's not like it was an official build or anything, so maybe just some incompatibility with my build
[05:25] <tgm4883_laptop> im going to try it one more time to be sure
[05:25] <laga> probably
[05:25] <laga> still, create a bug report
[05:25] <laga> might be valuable
[05:25] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[05:26] <mpmc> I like the theme of MU.
[05:26] <mpmc> No crappy blue..
[05:27] <laga> too grey here ;)
[05:27] <tgm4883_laptop> mpmc, are you seeing the new theme or the old one?  The old one was a dark grey
[05:27] <tgm4883_laptop> ^^ in ubiquity
[05:27] <mpmc> dark grey
[05:27] <spoky99> laga: I make dpkg-reconfigure and it goes well... tiping irw and hitting on the remote.. recognize the tiping on the remote, Is not necessary copy the .lircrc file o.. I could make it?
[05:28] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:28] <tgm4883_laptop> IMO, the new one is much better
[05:28] <laga> spoky99: install mythbuntu-lirc-generator and run it
[05:29] <mpmc> Oh noes.. I'm scared of config files.. They look at me weird.. :(
[05:30] <laga> that's why we make mythbuntu
[05:30] <mpmc> Darn brb.
[05:31] <kieran491> hi
[05:32] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, I keep trying to use the mouse connected to my mythbuntu box on my laptop
[05:32] <tgm4883_laptop> hi kieran491
[05:32] <laga> hi kieran491
[05:32] <kieran491> My mythtv is referaing to one of my TVTuner cards as as adapter1 but it is adapter0 how do you fix this i have tryed just deleteing it but that did not seem to work any ideas on how i can make it work?
[05:33] <laga> kieran491: please be more specific. what distro? what capture card? how exactly does this cause problems?
[05:34] <tgm4883_laptop> and where does adapter0 or adapter 1 come into play
[05:34] <kieran491> i am using mandriva this problem started when i rebooted my machine but it was working before i rebooted
[05:34] <tgm4883_laptop> and your using a ubuntu backend?
[05:34] <kieran491> nop
[05:34] <laga> kieran491: in case you haven't noticed: the channel name "#ubuntu-mythtv" contains the string "ubuntu"
[05:34] <tgm4883_laptop> a ubuntu frontend?
[05:34] <kieran491> yes....
[05:34] <laga> ah.
[05:35] <laga> nirvana at last
[05:35] <laga> kieran491: try #mythtv-users
[05:35] <tgm4883_laptop> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yep
[05:35] <kieran491> that dose not exist many people have refered me to that room
[05:35] <kieran491> huh
[05:35] <laga> #mythtv-users does exist
[05:35] <kieran491> it dose now
[05:35] <tgm4883_laptop> kieran491, i would be money that it does
[05:35] <kieran491> i have tryed that room in the past and never got it
[05:35] <tgm4883_laptop> and has for a long time now
[06:04] <spoky99> someone know how to stop the computer directly from the last menu of mythtv?
[06:04] <spoky99> now it restart
[06:28] <Koffa> which driver should I use for cinergy t2 remote?
[06:32] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, indeed :)
[06:32] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, perhaps we should improve upon that process
[06:33] <superm1> although automating it is quite the challenge
[06:33] <superm1> Koffa, who makes that remote even, never heard of it
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, booya!!! firewire in mythbuntu alpha4.2
[06:34] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, sweet so we aren't affected by the problems j-rod was having then
[06:34] <superm1> awesome
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> i have no sound
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> but that could be any number of reasons
[06:34] <superm1> yea
[06:34] <superm1> as long as you can capture
[06:34] <superm1> that's what matters
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> oh yea
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> cartoons
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> its a real pain though
[06:35] <superm1> can you think of what can be done in terms of automating the procedure?
[06:35] <tgm4883_laptop> I think it's going to have to be a user input script
[06:35] <tgm4883_laptop> where we run commands and ask the user to select 1 or 2
[06:35] <superm1> you mean for like determining ports and such
[06:35] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[06:35] <superm1> which one its plugged into
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> and for downloading and updating the scripts
[06:36] <superm1> well honestly, i dont see why myth can't figure that out
[06:36] <superm1> you would think it could query the bus
[06:36] <superm1> and find it
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> true
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> I still have the problem with my stb jumping nodes though
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[06:36] <superm1> perhaps the 'proper' solution is to write a myth patch for that exact purpose
[06:36] <superm1> i heard that is resolved in 0.21
[06:36] <superm1> dunno where i herad it
[06:36] <superm1> or even heard it
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> I hope so
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> although i doubt it
[06:37] <tgm4883_laptop> as it seems to be in the stack
[06:37] <tgm4883_laptop> not mythtv related
[06:37] <superm1> well but i heard that myth can get along around that
[06:37] <superm1> in 0.21
[06:37] <superm1> so perhaps it does query the bus
[06:37] <tgm4883_laptop> although there is a firewire_reset in .21
[06:37] <superm1> and determine where the box is
[06:38] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[06:38] <tgm4883_laptop> HD runs like crap right now
[06:39] <superm1> can you respond to laga's post so people on the ML know?
[06:39] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[06:39] <superm1> i added your "Quit" button to the control centre
[06:39] <superm1> i'm just testing a few more patches towards it
[06:39] <superm1> and then i
[06:39] <superm1> 'll push it up
[06:43] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[06:43] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, I was wondering, would it be bad to add the firewire parts to the main backend script?
[06:43] <Koffa> superm1: terratec?
[06:43] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, how so?
[06:43] <superm1> like priming stuff?
[06:43] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[06:43] <tgm4883_laptop> I suppose it would be
[06:44] <superm1> Koffa, hm.  i guess i still haven't heard of that brand.  I've no idea what driver it should be using.  I'd have to say /query lirc-list mailing list
[06:44] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, what about people not doing firewire then?
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> thats what i was thinking, if it would be bad for them
[06:44] <superm1> maybe it'd make sense to add a configuration item in like /etc/default/mythtv-backend
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> and I think it would
[06:44] <superm1> FIREWIRE=True
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[06:44] <superm1> and then that turns on all the firewire toys
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> that would fix a lot of the setup
[06:45] <superm1> what items need to be put in there exactly?
[06:45] <superm1> do you know?
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> i just followed the feisty firewire guide
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> and really
[06:45] <superm1> well if you want to write a patch for it, i'd be glad to sponsor something sane
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> i think you can d/l the firewire backend script
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> so
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> let me think of a few different plans for this
[06:47] <tgm4883_laptop> I think the problem is that there are a few things that need compiled
[06:47] <superm1> well compiling more stuff isn't too big a deal
[06:47] <superm1> can always ship more of the contrib directory
[06:47] <superm1> with mythtv-backend perhaps
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, but we would also need build essential on the cd
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> how much free space is there?
[06:48] <superm1> well there is plenty of free space, but i'm saying if its precompiled
[06:48] <superm1> in the package
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:48] <superm1> so in the mythtv package
[06:48] <superm1> its shipped
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> sounds good
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> cause there are 2 things to compile
[06:49] <tgm4883_laptop> wtf
[06:49] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm watching a strange Dell commercial with no sound in HD with no proprietary drivers installed
[06:53] <superm1> http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/1116043_addons.png.html
[06:53] <superm1> anything more to add to that page?
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> nope looks good
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> is there going to be a different terminal in the future?
[06:55] <superm1> yes
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> good
[06:55] <superm1> as soon as DaveMorris completes the switch to xubuntu window manager
[06:55] <superm1> xfce4-terminal will be there
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> i despise the current terminal
[06:55] <superm1> currently that button looks for xfce4-terminal primarily, then gnome-terminal, then konsole, and then lastly xterm
[06:56] <superm1> problem though is it spawns a root terminal
[06:56] <superm1> which probably isn't a good idea
[06:56] <tgm4883_laptop> probably not
[06:57] <tgm4883_laptop> wait
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> did you want to add buttons for the things we need for firewire?
[07:09] <superm1> well we could do that
[07:11] <Koffa> *snap*
[07:13] <superm1> mornin DaveMorris
[07:13] <DaveMorris> superm1: I'm having a senior moment, how do you checkout the branch again?
[07:14] <superm1> bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-default-settings
[07:14] <superm1> if you want to get mythbuntu-default-settings
[07:14] <superm1> now if you want to be able to commit to it
[07:14] <superm1> you can do it like this
[07:14] <superm1> bzr co<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:14] <DaveMorris> yeah I wanted to checkout so I can commit as wel
[07:14] <superm1> where USER is your LP username
[07:15] <DaveMorris> bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Unable to import paramiko (required for sftp support): No module named paramiko
[07:15] <superm1> you need to install paramiko
[07:16] <DaveMorris> I don't remember doing it before
[07:16] <superm1> sudo apt-get install python-paramiko
[07:16] <DaveMorris> I'm already ahead of you
[07:16] <superm1> its what is used to do a sftp or bzr+ssh commit
[07:17] <DaveMorris> thanks :)
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135199 in mythplugins (multiverse) "dependency conflict (mythmusic and mythtv) 0.20.2" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135199
[09:19] <DaveMorris> http://pastebin.com/m7100a932 - anyone got any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?  It works on my amd64 machine
[10:13] <DaveMorris> superm1:  http://pastebin.com/m7100a932 - anyone got any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?  It works on my amd64 machine
[10:14] <superm1> DaveMorris, what did you change?
[10:14] <superm1> anything?
[10:14] <DaveMorris> nothing
[10:14] <DaveMorris> apart from the mirror and the place to save it to
[10:15] <superm1> what is your BASE_INSTALL
[10:15] <superm1> set to?
[10:16] <DaveMorris>   BASE_INSTALL='/tmp/mythbuntu_iso'
[10:16] <superm1> it looks like well it didn't debootstrap
[10:16] <superm1> do you not have debootstrap installed?
[10:17] <DaveMorris> it's installed, or do I need a gutsy veersion
[10:17] <superm1> yes you need the gutsy version
[10:17] <superm1> # Requirements:
[10:17] <superm1> # * Root permissions
[10:17] <superm1> # * debootstrap taken from ubuntu/main of the target Ubuntu release
[10:17] <superm1> :)
[10:18] <DaveMorris> how do I install that on a feisty system?
[10:18] <superm1> go to packages.ubuntu.com
[10:18] <superm1> and grab the gutsy version
[10:18] <superm1> and just dpkg -i it
[10:18] <DaveMorris> ok
[10:18] <superm1> its just a script, so it doesnt need to be rebuilt for feisty
[10:24] <DaveMorris> thats fixed the problem thanks
[10:26] <DaveMorris> enjoying your day then superm1?
[10:27] <superm1> DaveMorris, yeah
[10:27] <superm1> nice relaxing day for a change of pace
[10:27] <superm1> do you need to know how to do a PPA build of mythbuntu-default-settings now?
[10:27] <DaveMorris> sounds good,
[10:27] <superm1> er well did you join the lp beta team yet?
[10:28] <DaveMorris> I might  as well learn, not sure if I'#ve been added yet
[10:29] <DaveMorris> not a member yet
[10:29] <superm1> ah okay
[10:29] <superm1> well for now you can just copy the files in via the build script
[10:29] <superm1> you can see how it copies a few of them in
[10:29] <superm1> or you can just do it post env
[10:30] <DaveMorris> ok I'll have a look in the script to see how it's donee
[10:31] <superm1> but as for when PPA does get added to your account, what you need to do is bump the version number of the package
[10:31] <superm1> so you can do that like this:
[10:31] <superm1> dch -v 0.55-0ubuntu1~mythbuntu1
[10:31] <superm1> and that will give it a sane version number for the PPA
[10:32] <superm1> its always very very important that your version number includes a ~mythbuntuX or ~ppaX
[10:32] <DaveMorris> Do I need to add my ppa url tot the script as weell
[10:32] <superm1> so that the one in the archive will always take prirority
[10:32] <superm1> well you can push to the team ppa
[10:32] <superm1> once you are setup
[10:32] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[10:33] <superm1> to push to the ppa, you need to edit /etc/dput.cf
[10:33] <superm1> add this section
[10:33] <superm1> [ppa-mythbuntu]
[10:33] <superm1> fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[10:33] <superm1> incoming = ~mythbuntu/ubuntu
[10:33] <superm1> login = anonymous
[10:33] <superm1> and then when you build your source package, build it like this
[10:33] <superm1> debuild -S -sa
[10:33] <superm1> and then to push to the PPA
[10:33] <superm1> you will do
[10:33] <superm1> dput ppa-mythbuntu FILE.changes
[10:34] <superm1> well that should be the jist of it
[10:36] <Daviey> Hey, do you think mythbuntu could be considered of use to academic users?
[10:36] <superm1> how so?
[10:36] <Daviey> http://www.mirrorservice.org/
[10:37] <DaveMorris> worth a try
[10:37] <Daviey> They seem to mirror nearly everything on sourceforge mind
[10:37] <DaveMorris> as they can use it to record shows for use in classes in schools/colleges/uni's
[10:37] <superm1> well wouldn't hurt to try
[10:37] <superm1> ya
[10:38] <Daviey> Which category tho?
[10:38] <Daviey> http://www.mirrorservice.org/Help/FeedBack/Mirror
[10:39] <DaveMorris> teching and computing resourcees
[10:40] <Daviey> Helps users learn the internal's of linux aswell :P
[10:40] <Daviey> Mind you, if we get it into sourceforge - then it seems to automatically get mirrored by loads of mirrors.
[10:41] <Daviey> Should i do that?
[10:41] <superm1> Computing Applications/Utilities
[10:41] <superm1> sourceforge doesn't host ISOs though do they?
[10:41] <Daviey> yep
[10:41] <Daviey> Asterisk@Home used to be on sourceforge
[10:41] <Daviey> That was an iso
[10:42] <DaveMorris> tbh staying away from sourceforge would be better
[10:42] <superm1> well why didn't we think of this before then?
[10:42] <superm1> why?
[10:42] <DaveMorris> more cocntrol if we do it
[10:42] <Daviey> sourceforge _can_ have a bad reputation.. but we wouldn't link users to it - just the mirrors it rsync's with
[10:42] <DaveMorris> btw if you worried about bandwidth just limit direct downloads to 50KBp/s and people will torrent it instead
[10:42] <Daviey> bad reputation for poor quality software..
[10:43] <Daviey> DaveMorris: or not bother downloading
[10:43] <Daviey> Strangly, so many people don't know how to torrent
[10:43] <DaveMorris> or 100 then
[10:43] <DaveMorris> you can still download, it just takes longer
[10:43] <Daviey> Yeah, but surely we want to make it easier to downlaod - more accessible
[10:44] <DaveMorris> tbh I tend not to torrent as it's  quicker to download directly
[10:44] <superm1> well once elmo gets us an ubuntu.com mirror place
[10:44] <superm1> i think we will not have any more worries
[10:44] <Daviey> _can_ be, but a well seeded torrent will always win
[10:44] <Daviey> Okay.. i'll try and chase elmo again
[10:44] <DaveMorris> it still takes time to get starting imo
[10:46] <Daviey> I told elmo that we were peaking combined of the mirrors 80Gb/Day, steadily sropping off after the new release
[10:46] <Daviey> He didn't seem shocked by that
[10:55] <Daviey> Wow.. My torrent client can see 422 other seeders.
[10:55] <Daviey> Only the FOSS community seed like that!
[12:05] <cornell> I've asked this in #ubuntu and am not getting an answer...  So I'm going to ask here...
[12:05] <cornell> I've a Dell Optiplex, I've tried to put Feisty on it.  Wouldn't boot, I'm reinstalling, I noticed in the partitioning... It wants to partition SCSI1 (0.0.0) (sda) - 40.0GB ATA ST340016A...   Isn't SCSI, um, not ATA?
[12:06] <DaveMorris> sata devices appear as scsi devices
[12:08] <cornell> Yes... but wouldn't a SATA be called a SATA, not ATA?
[12:08] <DaveMorris> should be
[12:10] <cornell> The documentation doesn't mention "serial" or "parallel", the photo of how to install appears to show plugging into an IDE type connector
[12:11] <DaveMorris> I read somewhere that they are gonna start labelling hard drives on /dev/hdx as /dev/sdx
[12:11] <cornell> I mean, SATA connectors are visually different than PATA.
[12:11] <tgm4883_laptop_> DaveMorris, they already do
[12:12] <tgm4883_laptop_> actually, they are going to be using UUID instead of /dev/sdx
[12:12] <cornell> Ok, but, if it's saying it's SCSI, is it trying to work with a SCSI drive, which isn't, and would that be a problem?
[12:12] <tgm4883_laptop_> well
[12:13] <tgm4883_laptop_> you could unplug any other hard drives
[12:13] <tgm4883_laptop_> then try installing
[12:13] <cornell> There are no other harddrives
[12:13] <tgm4883_laptop_> ah
[12:13] <tgm4883_laptop_> i think your fine
[12:13] <DaveMorris> the install should be fine
[12:14] <cornell> See.... installation goes smoothly, but then... I can't boot.   I get the POST, grub says it's loading... blank screen, harddrive activity, but no cli or x ?
[12:16] <cornell> Well... actually, sometimes... there's like colored "static" lines that show up for a bit along the bottom.
[12:16] <yotux> hello everyone
[12:16] <yotux> Is mythbuntu going to be like LinuxMCE?
[12:18] <superm1> yotux, well what do you mean by "like"?
[12:19] <yotux> LinuxMCE has a complete media package, DVD, TV Music etc
[12:19] <yotux> I can't get threw the list of features and get my PVR-150 to work
[12:19] <superm1> well mythbuntu does come with plugins installed for all the features like that
[12:20] <superm1> they are all optional
[12:20] <yotux> In fiesty It works great,  I built a new system to be media center for my house
[12:20] <superm1> you cant get through the list of features in mythbuntu?
[12:21] <yotux> LinuxMCE has list and layers of stuff
[12:21] <yotux> I am new to Mythtv & the whole live tv idea I am sorry'
[12:21] <superm1> well linuxmce uses mythtv for its tv portion anyhow, so it shouldnt be much new to you
[12:21] <DaveMorris> does LinuxMCE do PVR with multiple frontends off the same backends
[12:22] <yotux> Dave-  I am not sure,  I can not get my PVR-150 to get a feed in LinuxMCE
[12:23] <cornell> TTFN
[12:23] <yotux> superm1 - Would it be ok to download an ISO for Mythbuntu to just play with?
[12:23] <superm1> yea of course :)
[12:24] <superm1> just watch out, there are a few known issues with the installer (they are detailed on the front page of mythbuntu.org)
[12:24] <superm1> as long as your aware of those, things should go fine
[12:24] <yotux> I know that your site was saying it only has one mirror so I don;t want to take bandwith that is valued like gold
[12:25] <superm1> well we've gotten a few more mirrors since then
[12:25] <yotux> cool
[12:25] <superm1> when you click the download link, you'll get redirected to a random US one if your US bound, and a uk one otherwise
[12:26] <yotux> yeah I am State side for this week
[12:26] <yotux> travel allot
[12:27] <yotux> x86 a better choice of the two?
[12:27] <superm1> should be the same basic thing either way
[12:27] <superm1> if your just playing i would say go x86
[12:28] <yotux> hoping this will fill my need for media center
[12:28] <yotux> If I like this OS allot can I mirror it?
[12:29] <superm1> sure, we appreciate any mirrors we can get :)
[12:29] <superm1> where would your mirror be located?
[12:29] <yotux> I am getting 152k
[12:29] <yotux> Data center out of CO
[12:30] <superm1> no mirrors in CO yet, so that would be good.
[12:30] <yotux> average download out of there is around 500kb/sec
[12:31] <yotux> that just for me thought ymmv
[12:31] <superm1> well if we'll be adding you as a mirror, then we'd make you us-co.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org
[12:31] <superm1> so just let us know
[12:31] <DaveMorris> I've had 4000kb/s out of the UK one :)
[12:33] <DaveMorris> thanks to my fast connection at work :)
[12:33] <yotux> ok
[12:33] <yotux> my dl is going a little slow :( all go things take time they tel me
[12:39] <superm1> Daviey, we are pushing out more than 80GB/day
[12:39] <superm1> just today so far its at 96


[09:23] <dholbach> good morning
[09:23] <godbyk> morning.
[13:00] <JanCBorchardt> hello everyone
[13:01] <wers> hello :)
[13:01] <godbyk> Hey, JanCBorchardt.
[13:01] <godbyk> I'm actually conscious for once.
[13:01] <JanCBorchardt> I’m glad I looked at the clock or I would have missed the meeting ;)
[13:02] <godbyk> Hey, mpt. Quick question before the meeting starts..
[13:03] <godbyk> What's the canonical spelling: MeMenu, Me Menu, Me menu, ...?
[13:03] <mpt> godbyk, there is none. :-)
[13:03] <godbyk> mpt: Hmm.. well that interferes with my need to be nit-picky and anal when I'm editing the Ubuntu manual. :)
[13:04] <mpt> Hi everyone
[13:04] <mpt> indicator-datetime tells me that it's Wednesday
[13:04] <mpt> but my watch assures me that it's Thursday
[13:05] <JanCBorchardt> godbyk, seems to be spelled Me Menu most of the time
[13:06] <godbyk> JanCBorchardt: I'm not picky about which spelling, I just need to settle on one for consistency's sake.
[13:06] <thorwil> godbyk: nit-picky and anal? good i don't have to create icons for that :)
[13:06] <JanCBorchardt> godbyk, that’s why I thought it might be best to use what’s used most :)
[13:06] <thorwil> mpt: i have to side with your watch
[13:07] <godbyk> thorwil: I'll have you create those for the cover of my autobiography someday. ;-)
[13:08] <wers> what do we have for today?
[13:09] <mpt> I'm sorry I don't have anything, it's been a mad rush for Maverick UI freeze today
[13:09] <wers> I'd like to discuss visual consistency and Tango compliance. I like the direction of Ambience-maverick-beta. it now feels Tango
[13:10] <mpt> interesting
[13:10] <wers> maybe, the next step is to make the icons more Tango-compliant
[13:10] <wers> they feel cartooney and alienated in the desktop
[13:10] <wers> you can tell which icons are Ubuntu-specific and not
[13:10] <mpt> The vibe I get from my graphic designer colleagues is that Tango is not a style worth complying with
[13:11]  * thorwil thinks of those would use "feels tango" as an insult
[13:11] <mpt> Personally I agree that some of the new Humanity icons look cartoony, but less so than Tango does.
[13:11] <wers> well, not anymore. "Mango" or the next generation of Tango feels much more fit today
[13:11] <mpt> I have not seen Mango
[13:11] <wers> either way, there has to be visual consistency in the platform
[13:12] <thorwil> wers: if you mention Tango, most people will recall sets that may be several years old
[13:12] <wers> http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=Tango-NG
[13:12] <JanCBorchardt> wers, do you have any screenshots? I have only seen the home folder house
[13:12] <JanCBorchardt> ah, there was an article somewhere right?
[13:13] <wers> JanCBorchardt, http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=Tango-NG
[13:15] <JanCBorchardt> wers, I meant the humanity icons, found them at http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/humanity-icons-get-updated.html
[13:15] <wers> nice! thanks for pointing that out
[13:16] <mpt> The biggest sizes look great
[13:17] <thorwil> not what you will see most of the time
[13:19] <wers> doesn't mean the small ones don't look great as well
[13:22] <wers> It would be nice to have a consistent interface. that would make the desktop experience much smoother
[13:23] <thorwil> be careful with calls for consistency. i hope to never see something like the all orange emblems ubuntu had ... ;)
[13:23] <wers> if you can suggest something more worth following than Tango and Mango, it would be great if it's going to be a sustainable standard that won't make the desktop feel fragmented
[13:23] <thorwil> +again
[13:24] <wers> we don't need that sort of consistency
[13:24] <wers> as long as different themes follow common standards, it would be ok
[13:25] <wers> that would also make icons reusable in different themes
[13:26] <wers> I hope, we can define our next steps to resolve this
[13:27] <thorwil> i vaguely recall talk about yet another new icon theme for ubuntu, with a call to the community for ideas/mockups
[13:27] <wers> thorwil, what's goal for that?
[13:30] <vish> oh a humanity highlight!
[13:30] <vish> hey folks,
[13:30] <wers> hi vish
[13:30] <thorwil> wers: not sure. i don't find the source anymore, as it was mentioned on some blog post (by a member of the design team, though, afair)
[13:30]  * vish reads backlog..
[13:30] <JanCBorchardt> hey vish
[13:31] <Status0> hi there !
[13:31] <Status0> i am new. and i wonder how to be a member of ubuntu ?
[13:31] <vish> wers: whats the complaint about icons?  why do you think tango is suited for a toolbar? what is the justification for a toolbar icon to have a shadow?  does the toolbar have depth? ;)
[13:32] <Status0> the site is little confusing me...
[13:32] <Status0> i made a wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/status0
[13:32] <vish> !membership | Status0
[13:33] <vish> wers: Tango has its benefits, hence Humanity does use the tango guidelines,  but it is not a perfect guideline
[13:33] <wers> vish, haven't mentioned anything about toolbars. I'm just suggesting visual consistency in the Ubuntu desktop
[13:33] <vish> wers: could you be more specific?
[13:33] <Status0> ubottu: i been there  but i didn't understand where i give the application or how i get into a meeting list of candidates like on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA
[13:34] <wers> vish, icons that don't exist in Humanity icon theme fall back to themes that comply more to Tango. hence, the inconsistency
[13:34] <wers> unless Humanity's standards will be as widely followed as Tango
[13:34] <vish> wers: Humanity does not have icons! blasphemy! where did we miss it? ;p
[13:34] <wers> and Mango, eventually
[13:35] <vish> wers: Humanity covers more icons than any other icon set ;)
[13:35] <vish> .. even more than gnome
[13:36] <vish> wers: as i mention it earlier , Humanity does follow Tango guidelines [mostly]
[13:38] <vish> wers: the most common complaint might be that the search icon is not tango.. other than that almost everything is tango
[13:38] <thorwil> this leads back to the request of being more specific, then
[13:40] <wers> vish, for some reason, the folder icons feel different
[13:40] <wers> maybe, it's just me though
[13:41] <vish> wers: Folders are tango too :)
[13:41] <wers> I think, I got this idea also largely because of the search icon. I see it very often because of GNOME Do
[13:42] <vish> wers: yeah , the search is not tango, but doing it tango looked crappy and we liked the current one better ;p
[13:42] <vish> there is a bug about that too ;)
[13:44] <wers> vish, fair enough
[13:44] <wers> btw, is there a plan to follow Mango's directions?
[13:45] <vish> wers: currently there is not much interest in the team to actually work on Humanity, and we've been busy with other stuff too, hence there are less updates this cycle, also since there is a call for new icon set ideas , we probably wont be making any more changes but rather sit on it for a while ;p
[13:45] <Status0> hi, is anybody online ?
[13:46] <wers> vish, ooh. what's the goal of the call for new icon set ideas?
[13:46] <vish> Status0: try asking in #ubuntu-community-team  , this is a meeting channel
[13:46] <Status0> oh sorry, thanks
[13:47] <vish> wers: Otto mentioned he will make them public soon :)
[13:48] <wers> vish, in fairness, my view of Humanity icon theme is outdated. It's been a while since the last time I used this because of my consistency sentiment
[13:48] <JanCBorchardt> I have another topic: Yesterday I talked with one of the OpenUsability founders about future plans and directions for the project. What are the plans from Canonical’s side, especially with UX advocates being related.
[13:48] <vish> wers: yeah agreed, it is outdated since it follows Tango ;)
[13:49] <JanCBorchardt> that should have been a question mark ;)
[13:49] <wers> JanCBorchardt, interesting. mpt?
[13:50] <vish> wers: but your consistency sentiment is a misunderstanding about what Tango means ;)
[13:51] <mpt> wers, Otto is not here right now. I suspect that if I asked him, he *might* have heard of Tango, but probably not Mango.
[13:51] <mpt> oh, sorry, you had a different question. :-)
[13:52] <mpt> About OpenUsability, working with them is something that has been on Canonical Design's "that would be great if we had time for it" list
[13:52] <mpt> UX advocates seems like a natural fit for them.
[13:56] <JanCBorchardt> mpt, time is a problem for them as well. The Season of Usability was postponed to January. I’m starting to work with him next week and will try to get more going there.
[13:56] <mpt> ok
[23:56] <eguin> alguien que me ayude?
[23:56] <eguin> jajaj


[03:18] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, it looks good
[03:25] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: Ho-kay :) .. We look good to go.
[03:48] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Security:: Episode 31 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-31/
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[18:43] <Bashing-om> Pulling "WIP" - target time to publish 20:00 GMT.
[20:02] <Bashing-om> M/L is away - doing the forum post nect :D
[20:04] <Bashing-om> Forum post done - redirecting next.
[20:19] <Bashing-om> And the re-directs are done - pending is the social medias :)
[20:55] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, I will start on them in a minute
[20:56] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: :)
[21:10] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, you my 2nd?
[21:11] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: In the dark as I know nothing about the Fridge - but Yes I second that the WIKI is sound :)
[21:12] <wildmanne39> I have checked all links I see nothing wrong with the fridge post
[21:14] <wildmanne39> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/05/13/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-578/
[21:16] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: Yup - Fridge checks good for me too :)
[21:17] <wildmanne39> Thanks for looking Bashing-om ! All done!
[21:18] <wildmanne39> Good job everyone!
[21:30] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 578 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/05/13/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-578/
[21:33] <Bashing-om> Bots confirm the Fridge posting :)
[21:52] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, yep I saw that!:)
[21:52] <wildmanne39> It was quick today
[21:53] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 578 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/05/13/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-578/ (by wildmanne39)
[22:13] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Publish is all done & wildmanne39 : clear now to wipe Gdoc ?
[22:20] <guiverc> i can't see why not Bashing-om
[22:20] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, yes
[22:25] <Bashing-om> wipping :D
[22:29] <Bashing-om> Anddd .. we do UWN579 :P
[22:30] <Wild_Man> Thanks Bashing-om
[22:31] <Wild_Man> Yes I lean some when turning and curves but the trike really does not, I am using my body as a counter balance
[22:31] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: My little contribution to the overall effort :D
[22:32] <Wild_Man> I am thinking about taking it to a three day rally in New Mexico Starting Thursday, if I have the money and someone to watch my wife
[22:32] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: ^^ wrong channel :)
[22:32] <Wild_Man> Opps
[22:32] <Wild_Man> OOOPs
[22:34] <wildmanne39> Bashing-om, I am posting from irrsi and hexchat, got confused
[22:35] <Bashing-om> wildmanne39: Happens to the best of us :P
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