[12:38] <garfield> notlabled: wa is the buttin super on the keyboard?
[12:40] <sumguy231> garfield: since nobody's answering, it's the Win key.
[12:40] <WaltzingAlong> sumguy231: what do i win?
[12:40] <sumguy231> A stuffed animal, I'll mail it to you. :)
[12:42] <WaltzingAlong> sumguy231: :8
[12:42] <WaltzingAlong> sumguy231: ^,^          well i have one such key on this keyboard as well. should have a nice little Tux on it or something
[12:44] <elite101> man, school was a drag as allways
[12:44] <elite101> im stuck in grade nine english :(
[12:45] <Biovore> yeah.. english isn't your language..
[12:45] <Biovore> must be a computer..
[12:46] <elite101> :D
[12:47] <elite101> lol well i felt happy i hooked up my uncles sterio for his car this makes the second time i have done this*
[12:48] <elite101> mhm yeah i dont own a car but yet i can work on one :)
[12:49] <kkathman> elite and Biovore - hey you might wanna take your convo over to #kubuntu-offtopic since its not exactly kubuntu support stuff :)
[12:49] <elite101> :( err* sorry
[12:49] <kkathman> hey np
[12:49] <Braders> Hey can anyone tell me how to get into another directory in the terminal please
[12:49] <elite101> how long have you been here kkathman?
[12:49] <kkathman> the --offtopic chann is really kewl :)
[12:50] <kkathman> elite101:  hmm Ive been around on kubuntu/ubuntu since Warty :)
[12:50] <elite101> ohh i dont recongnize your nick :\
[12:50] <kkathman> hehe Ive also used other distros too :)
[12:51] <kkathman> i dont usually have the time to chat too much either :)
[12:54] <mike_moose> Why are the folders ~/env and ~/share automatically re-created?
[12:55] <kkathman> recreated when?
[12:56] <mike_moose> Any time I log in via kdm into kde.
[12:56] <mike_moose> Shouldn't those two folders be under ~/.kde?
[12:57] <mike_moose> They contain a shell script for gtk-engine and a file called kwalletrc
[12:57] <kkathman> mike_moose:  maybe not, cuz remember kde is in the user space
[12:59] <thumper> is there a nice UI for upgrading feisty to gutsy?
[01:01] <mike_moose> Does anyone know why kwallet is putting it's config files in ~/share/config/ instead of ~/.kde/share/config/ ?
[01:04] <GoodHabit> I have a game at /opt/ directory. How to make shortcup in right way to use that game (simple path to bin file doesn't work - I think problem is with working directory).
[01:05] <Jehova> hello
[01:05] <Jehova> im an new linux and kubuntu user
[01:06] <Jehova> now i have a little action with kopete, please can someone help me
[01:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> god uses linux.  tell Bill Gates to stick THAT in his pipe and smoke it!
[01:06] <mike_moose> God smokes?
[01:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> only if you believe bill gates is god.
[01:07] <Savak> someone didn't read it properly lol
[01:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> re-read that sentence.
[01:07] <underdog5004> I doubt bill gates smokes
[01:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's a saying.
[01:07] <Savak> bill gates smokes dollar bills
[01:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> no, no he doesn't
[01:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> bill gates smokes hundred dollar bills
[01:08] <Savak> hehe
[01:08] <Savak> ok what part of guarddog (other then protocol tab) would stop kopete connecting to msn
[01:09] <mike_moose> Naw, he moved on to grinding gold and diamonds to dust and then free-basing that.
[01:09] <Jehova> @savak please im an newbee
[01:10] <Jehova> dont make a fool of me
[01:10] <Savak> huh jehova?
[01:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> Jehova: i don't think he is
[01:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> he has his own issue with kopete :)
[01:10] <Jehova> o sorry
[01:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> but why guarddog anyway?
[01:10] <Savak> I know it's guarddog, only thing thats changed
[01:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah, shoot.  i gotta get homework done :\
[01:11] <Savak> is there anyway to view connection logs etc in kopete?
[01:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> i shall return after i finish reading about the lovely institution of the US supreme court and writing a paper on why term limits on SC justices is a Good Thing(tm)
[01:11] <underdog5004> which program should I use to listen to mp3s from the command line?
[01:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> mpg123
[01:12] <underdog5004> ty, Daisuke-Ido
[01:12] <underdog5004> ermm.... Daisuke_Laptop , even
[01:13] <Jehova> i cant add icq buddys to kopete,, how can i fix it
[01:14] <kkathman> Jehova:  whats wrong?  what does it do?
[01:15] <Jehova> nothing it do! i open the add window an put the icq number in. but than i  get no contact in my libery
[01:16] <kkathman> Jehova:  works just fine here :)
[01:16] <kkathman> Jehova:  are you setting your icq UIN in the Settings - configure ?
[01:16] <Jehova> no i have now installed gaim to get help
[01:16] <Jehova> yes i have done
[01:16] <kkathman> not much help there
[01:17] <ubuntu> guys, ive just installed windows and i lost my grub. i tried to recover it using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:17] <ubuntu> but... it says "Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no"
[01:18] <andreasdk> G`evening. Can someone please tell me how to set Dolphin as default file manager in Kubuntu 7.10?
[01:18] <Savak> ubuntu, you'll need to boot from a linux CD or grub recovery disc and restore grub
[01:18] <Jehova> and i also can open i irc channel in kopete but  i cant add a icq contact
[01:19] <Jehova> sory for my very bad english
[01:19] <ubuntu> ubuntu? oh! its me! im using kubuntu Gutsy tribe 5
[01:20] <ubuntu> Savak... K7.10 T5 live CD
[01:21] <Savak> can you use it to boot into linux?
[01:25] <mauricio> Ol, algum do Brasil ae???
[01:25] <ubuntu_> Savak... my conection was lost.
[01:25] <ubuntu_> mauricio. eu sou
[01:26] <ubuntu_> Savak... K7.10 T5 live CD >  i entered in grub (sudo grub), rooted on hd0.0, but when i typed "setup (hd0)" i got the error above
[01:26] <mauricio> Que bom que no estou sozinho rs
[01:26] <mauricio> Acabei de instalar o Kubuntu, to meio perdido testando as coisas aqui :-P
[01:26] <ubuntu_> mauricio... pergunta
[01:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> bah humbug
[01:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> !pt | mauricio
[01:27] <ubotu> mauricio: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[01:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> mugen64 can't see my controller...
[01:28] <Savak> yeah you need to do root(hd0,0) firsrt
[01:28] <Savak> first*
[01:28] <Savak> or 0,1... i forget :P
[01:29] <ubuntu_> Savak, hd0.0 only. there is no hd0.1 for me..
[01:29] <mike_moose> Savak, Might be good to use 'geometry' to see what hard drive has the boot partition on it.
[01:29] <mike_moose> i.e. geometry (hd0)
[01:29] <Braders> how do i change the directory in the terminal? i thought it was dir then the directory name?
[01:29] <mike_moose> or geometry (hd1)
[01:30] <mike_moose> Braders, use "cd"
[01:30] <Savak> yeah prob best, the second digit is refering to partition ubuntu_, so prob 0,1 but try mike_moose's suggestion :)
[01:30] <Braders> arr thats the one lol thanks
[01:32] <ubuntu_> mike_moose: i get 3 partitions. 0 (FAT with windows), 4 (reiserfs with kubuntu) and 5 (linux swap)
[01:32] <Braders> im trying to install a flash plugin and i have extracted the files to a file on the desktop, have gone into terminal and typed cd then dir name and i keep getting -bash: cd: install_flash_player_9_linux: No such file or directory
[01:33] <underdog5004> Braders, when you're in the dir above the target dir, do this: ls
[01:33] <underdog5004> or rather, ls | grep flash
[01:33] <mike_moose> ubuntu_, did you do geometry (hd0) ?
[01:34] <mike_moose> arg
[01:34] <ubuntu_> yep
[01:34] <mike_moose> then it'd be root (hd0, 4)
[01:34] <Savak> not if you want grub installed on first partition?
[01:35] <ubuntu_> hmmm the root i put on grub is the linux root partition... it explains a lot...
[01:35] <Savak> generally it should be on first hard disk, first partition, so usually always 0,1
[01:35] <mike_moose> since you don't seem to have the directory /boot on its own partition
[01:36] <mike_moose> Savak - grub is usually installs into the MBR, unless you need to install elsewhere
[01:36] <ubuntu__> thanks guys. i this it will work
[01:36] <mike_moose> right on
[01:37] <Savak> yes mike_moose :P
[01:37] <mike_moose> Savak, but you probably knew that. :)
[01:37] <Savak> hehe yeah, had a lot of experience with grub
[01:37] <underdog5004> Braders, you figure it out?
[01:37] <Savak> now if only I could get Guarddog to do what it's supposed to
[01:38] <Savak> lol
[01:38] <mike_moose> Braders, you can use the tab key to do completion too.
[01:38] <Fraction> hi, got a question:
[01:39] <underdog5004> mike_moose, I think that his "flash" dir is in his Desktop dir
[01:39] <underdog5004> Fraction, what's up?
[01:39] <mike_moose> Braders, what happens if you type "ls" ?
[01:39] <mike_moose> Braders, do you see the directory you're trying to enter?
[01:40] <Fraction> underdog5004 When I use the 2.6.20-15-generic kernel my wlan works fine, but as soon as I use the 2.6.20-16-generic - as soon as I chose a network to connect to the computor crashes and I have to reboot it.. what might be wrong?
[01:40] <Braders> i see it on my desktop not in the terminal
[01:40] <Braders> only can get on the desktop on terminal
[01:40] <underdog5004> Fraction, did you have to compile the driver for your wireless card?
[01:40] <mike_moose> Braders, what does the command pwd output?
[01:40] <Braders> /home/braders
[01:40] <Fraction> underdog5004 no it was included in both the kernels
[01:40] <mike_moose> excellent
[01:40] <underdog5004> Fraction, do you have to use ndiswrapper?
[01:40] <mike_moose> try cd Desktop
[01:41] <underdog5004> oh, ok
[01:41] <underdog5004> ummm
[01:41] <Braders> no such file
[01:41] <underdog5004> Fraction, did you play around with your kernel configuration?
[01:41] <mike_moose> really?
[01:41] <mike_moose> hrm
[01:41] <underdog5004> Braders, Desktop
[01:41] <underdog5004> not desktop
[01:41] <Braders> nope still dont work
[01:42] <underdog5004> Braders, what are you typing, exactly?
[01:42] <mike_moose> what's the output from ls?
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> Braders: hey... wireless working?
[01:42] <Fraction> underdog5004 no I didnt, just with the graphics card settings everything else is as it was when I installed it
[01:42] <Braders> i have this up though in front of were i type braders@braders-desktop:~$
[01:42] <underdog5004> Fraction, weird...which driver does it use?
[01:42] <Braders> braders@braders-desktop:~$ ls
[01:42] <Braders> Desktop  Examples
[01:42] <Braders> thats what i get..
[01:42] <mike_moose> ok
[01:43] <mike_moose> Braders, type: cd Desktop
[01:43] <mike_moose> mind the capital d
[01:43] <Savak> lol was gonna say that mike_moose
[01:43] <Braders> ok there
[01:43] <Fraction> underdog5004: kinda new to linux but is this relevant? :) Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[01:44] <mike_moose> Now type cd <folder name>
[01:44] <mike_moose> Braders, are you using firefox?
[01:44] <Braders> ok yea that worked
[01:44] <underdog5004> Fraction, that's pretty strange...intel stuff usually works nicely...I have no idea to help you, sorry
[01:44] <Braders> yea i am using firefox
[01:44] <mike_moose> Braders, excellent! Welcome to the command line.
[01:44] <kkathman> lol
[01:44] <Braders> :-) thanks
[01:45] <Fraction> underdog5004: alright, thanks for your time
[01:45] <kkathman> cli rules :)
[01:45] <underdog5004> Braders, you know you can install the flash plugin for firefox from the repos, right?
[01:45] <underdog5004> Fraction, np
[01:45] <NickPresta> Braders, http://www.linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php Check that out. It is invaluable.
[01:45] <Braders> nope?
[01:45] <Braders> cool thanks ppl
[01:45] <mike_moose> It's easier to use firefox to install it.
[01:45] <Braders> is it
[01:45] <mike_moose> The built-in installer works fine. Just have to find a flash app, and follow the wizard.
[01:46] <Braders> flash app?
[01:46] <underdog5004> Braders, try to watch a youtube video
[01:47] <mike_moose> Braders, a page with flash on it.
[01:47] <underdog5004> there will be a yellow bar at the top of the page...click on it, follow the instructions
[01:47] <AirstrikeIvanov> Firefox installer for Flash has NEVER worked for me.
[01:47] <Braders> yea i tried youtube it woudlnt allow me to, have to do it manually
[01:47] <rdvon> amarok can play pls files right?
[01:47] <AirstrikeIvanov> it always says manual install required, so where do you get that itd work from
[01:48] <Braders> thats what i got
[01:48] <hayami> hi anyone knows how to use eclipse? xD
[01:48] <underdog5004> AirstrikeIvanov, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[01:48] <underdog5004> or something like that
[01:48] <AirstrikeIvanov> i already have it installed
[01:48] <AirstrikeIvanov> but Braders cant install it using Firefox
[01:48] <AirstrikeIvanov> Nobody can
[01:48] <underdog5004> I can
[01:49] <AirstrikeIvanov> Hm, youd be the only one
[01:49] <Biovore> AirstrikeIvanov: flash works here with my firefox using that approach
[01:49] <mike_moose> AirstrikeIvanov, I don't know why it doesn't work for some folks.
[01:50] <Biovore> AMD64 ?
[01:50] <Biovore> ^ has problems with that
[01:50] <AirstrikeIvanov> No, Firefoxs automatic plugin installer
[01:50] <Biovore> ah
[01:50] <AirstrikeIvanov> Anyways, on to my own problem
[01:50] <mike_moose> I'm using the regular old i386 binaries.
[01:50] <AirstrikeIvanov> I tried to do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade my KDE 4 beta, and it just does this and stops. I cant uninstall or install ANYTHING now, because apt-get -f install just does the same response: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36387/
[01:50] <rdvon> Why wont amarok let me listen to shoutcasts/ internet radio stations?
[01:51] <Biovore> AirstrikeIvanov: kde4 is alpha..  only devs should use it..
[01:51] <Biovore> rdvon: they work here..
[01:51] <AirstrikeIvanov> Biovore: Im learning to dev Plasmoids
[01:51] <NickPresta> rdvon, what makes you think Amarok isn't letting you? I listen to lastfm radio all the time...
[01:51] <AirstrikeIvanov> for KDE4 Plasma
[01:51] <Biovore> AirstrikeIvanov: cool.. just remember that everything os broken..
[01:52] <rdvon> NickPresta: I get an error, whatever. Have you tried idobi radio?
[01:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> i assume you have the proper codec installed for mp3 playback?
[01:52] <rdvon> Daisuke_Laptop: er....
[01:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> libxine-extracodecs
[01:53] <rdvon> I'm gettin 'em
[01:53] <rdvon> Here's a good question: why did frozen bubble ditch their pretty artistic graphics for the junk they currently have?! >:O
[01:53] <NickPresta> rdvon, you will have to provide a link for me. I don't know what idobi radio is :)
[01:53] <AirstrikeIvanov> Biovore: Yeah, I think my apt is broken now too because of it.
[01:54] <Biovore> AirstrikeIvanov: yup  it does that..
[01:54] <AirstrikeIvanov> Oh well
[01:54] <AirstrikeIvanov> I just formatted last week
[01:54] <rdvon> NickPresta: http://www.idobi.com/radio/ :)
[01:54] <AirstrikeIvanov> Not much to lose in a second one, lmao
[01:55] <Biovore> rdvon: works here..
[01:56] <Biovore> takes 2 tires..  because its a aac stream
[01:56] <rdvon> I needed the codecs...
[01:56] <Biovore> you have to catch the stream when its sending a header..
[01:56] <Biovore>  Now Playing  --  Amber Pacific - Falling Away  --    --  0 ms
[01:56] <NickPresta> heh
[01:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> listening to sky fm
[01:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> all 80's all the time :D
[01:56] <rdvon> :D
[01:56] <rdvon> link?
[01:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> right now kickin some glenn frey
[01:57] <NickPresta> Amber Pacific - Falling Away...Alternative, Rock, Punk...128 kbps...http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80 works for me
[01:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> err
[01:57] <rdvon> err?
[01:58] <rdvon> I made a great kicker background. :)
[01:58] <rdvon> couldnt stand the transparent one..
[01:58] <Biovore> there are alot of them out there on kde-look.org.. just search for kicker
[01:58] <rdvon> I prefer mine.
[01:59] <rdvon> http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s70/rdvon/brushedmetal-kicker-noshine.png
[01:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> rdvon: http://www.sky.fm/
[01:59] <tinin> you all should try the last version of Bmpx, it has some great radio stations lists, as well as lastfm support, I preffer it rather than amarok when I want to listen to some new music
[02:00] <Biovore> rdvon: looks nice..  should post it on kde-look.org
[02:00] <rdvon> I will... later.
[02:01] <rdvon> I got a couple amarok themes, but They dont skin the whole program :\
[02:01] <rdvon> stupid amarok :<
[02:01] <Biovore> rdvon: yeah.. there are some more options but it relies on the system scheme
[02:02] <rdvon> heh.. :\
[02:02] <rdvon> what's the name of the codec pack again
[02:02] <rdvon> *?
[02:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> libxine-extracodecs
[02:02] <rdvon> thanks :)
[02:04] <rdvon> now it's working, thanks!
[02:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> eddy grant right now, time to switch stations :(
[02:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> ooh, abba
[02:06] <rdvon> It's weird though, because the internet radio streams played automatically in rhythmbox :\
[02:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> not really, rhythmbox relies on the gstreamer mp3 plugin
[02:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> which amarok doesn't
[02:07] <rdvon> ah.
[02:07] <elite101> #console-bash where we bash on consoles :D
[02:07] <elite101> please go there :D
[02:09] <elite101> #console-bash bashing consoles since the atari and intellivision came out'
[02:09] <AirstrikeIvanov> i like to bash mine with bricks
[02:09] <AirstrikeIvanov> XD
[02:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> !spam
[02:10] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[02:10] <elite101> :( not spaM
[02:10] <elite101> but if it is sorry
[02:11] <Savak> !Attitude
[02:11] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:11] <Savak> was curious hehe
[02:11] <terrestre> lol
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[02:12] <ubotu> Yum!   When I unplug the drive it sometimes gets confused and then wont work when I plug the drive back in.  I should clarify that statement in that the drive works and I can manually mount it but the automatic stuff where it puts the icon on your desktop and mounts it does not.  Is there a procedure I should go though to "stop" the CD drive and prep it for r
[02:14] <dthacker-lt> rignes: if its already on your desktop you can right click and "safely remove".  That may help.
[02:14] <rignes> Hmmm, Ididn't notice that option before...
[02:15] <dthacker-lt> rignes: there's a bunch of 'em :)
[02:15] <rignes> Hmmm...I don't see the option but it may be because it's in it's "screwed up" state at the moment.  I might need to reboot to get it normal again.
[02:16] <rignes> dthacker-lt: I better reboot and it it normal...thanks for the tip.  I'll take a look for it after the reboot.
[02:22] <tatters> anyone running tribe 5 with a second hard ?
[02:22] <tatters> drive^
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> tatters: separate partition here...
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> tatters: #ubuntu+1
[02:23] <tatters> yk
[02:24] <garfield> nosrednaekim: how do i see my contacts pic in kotepe??
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> garfield: dunno, I don't use kopete
[02:25] <garfield> nosrednaekim: witch do u use?
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> gaim/pidgin
[02:25] <_2> anyone know a game simular in look to 'asc' but not nearly as many options ?     i remember seeing a game that i want to revisit  but have no idea what it was called ?
[02:25] <Savak> under settings
[02:26] <Savak> apperance -> contact list
[02:26] <Savak> check 'use contact photo's when available'
[02:27] <_2> i might like asc if i could see it   but on this monitor it's way to small to read anything...   15"
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> _2: asc?
[02:27] <_2> !info asc
[02:27] <ubotu> asc: turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-3ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2338 kB, installed size 5684 kB
[02:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> !wesnoth
[02:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wesnoth - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> !info wesnoth
[02:28] <ubotu> wesnoth: fantasy turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1937 kB, installed size 4396 kB
[02:29] <pochoclo> Hola
[02:30] <pochoclo> Mmm . . .
[02:30] <pochoclo> Y la gente ? ? ?
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> !es
[02:30] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:32] <frank__> how can I prevent the KDE taskbar from appearing on my TVout screen? (DISPLAY=:0.1)
[02:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> you have tv-out :\
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> frank__: make your taskbar hide itself.
[02:33] <ch40s> turn auto hide on?
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: that thing doens't have Svideo?
[02:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> it *has* svideo
[02:33] <frank__> nosrednaekim: will it work just for that screen?
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> nope... everywhere
[02:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> i have as of yet not been able to get it to work.
[02:34] <tekstacy> 'lo all
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: works here with ATI...
[02:34] <ch40s> what card is it dais?
[02:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> intel 965
[02:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm sure i could get it working with nvidia
[02:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> but that isn't an option.
[02:35] <ch40s> cant use dual monitors and TV-out =[
[02:35] <tekstacy> Does k have any sort of "alarm clock" feature?
[02:36] <tekstacy> Or can someone reccomed one?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> !info kalarm
[02:36] <ubotu> kalarm: KDE alarm message, command and email scheduler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 644 kB, installed size 1892 kB
[02:36] <tekstacy> er, reccomend even
[02:36] <tekstacy> Cool, thanks
[02:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> wonder how painful upgrading to gutsy would be right now
[02:38] <BluesKaj> well, it was disappointing for me , Daisuke_Laptop, but you prolly don't suffer fromthe AYO blues
[02:38] <BluesKaj> ATI
[02:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> ?
[02:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah
[02:38] <_2> well i knew it was a long shot that anyone would be able to answer that.   i'll keep looking... although i've been through the package info twice...  nothing sounded familear
[02:38] <BluesKaj> no 3D or DRI
[02:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> no ati, though support for the x3100 in gutwsy is supposed to be far superior
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: its not the upgrading part... it the sticking through the alphas..
[02:39] <frank__> nosrednaekim: actually you were right. Autohide works just for that screen!
[02:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> gutsy
[02:39] <ch40s> Karti:  does the  -noapic parameter force my PCI drivers out of installation?
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> frank_really?
[02:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> nosrednaekim: that's why i'm willing to hop on the bandwagon now
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> ok..:)
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> I was wrong then ;)
[02:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> this is about when i started testing feisty :)
[02:39] <tekstacy> Hmm, I found kalarm, but it describes it as a backgammon game for KDE    :)
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> ch40s: shouldn't
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> lol
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> try it anyway
[02:40] <_2> nosrednaekim nice to be right when you are wrong eh ?  :)
[02:40] <ch40s> nosrednaekim:  my mini pci slots dont recognize my wireless card anymore
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> _2: lol
[02:41] <tekstacy> curious, I did install it, cause I figured it was a mistake. After it installed, it showed the correct descripton. And I swear I'm not stoned!
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> ch40s: oh... hmm
[02:42] <ch40s> i wouldnt know if the drivers would work had i not used the -noapic, considering it was the only way i could get the Live CD running
[02:42] <parsnip> hi all
[02:42] <ch40s> or, first thing that allowed me to at lesat
[02:42] <ch40s> *least
[02:42] <ch40s> just wanted to know if i could factor that possibility in, ty
[02:43] <parsnip> can anyone tell me how to get the app launcher that sits on the panel. It lets you have 4 programs on there
[02:43] <parsnip> i removed it ages ago and would like it back
[02:43] <sFEARs> hello
[02:44] <tekstacy> Um, I'm new here, can someone tell me CL command to make amarok play a song?
[02:44] <manikfox> amarok -play?
[02:44] <tekstacy> Or even just make alot of noise, for my alarm clock
[02:44] <ch40s> parsnip:  right click>Add Applet, possibly
[02:44] <_2> parsnip the desktop switcher applet ?
[02:45] <dudeicles> does anyone know of a free driver for canon printers?
[02:45] <manikfox> amarok --play or --p one of those
[02:45] <parsnip> _2: it lets you pick 4 apps and it makes the icons tiny in a 2 x 2 grid
[02:45] <tekstacy> manifox! Thx!
[02:46] <_2> i think he may be talking about the default four vertual desktops in the desktop switcher applet    not sure.
[02:46] <parsnip> _2: its Quicklauncher
[02:46] <parsnip> _2: just went through them all til i hit it
[02:46] <enotee> how do i install an rpm manually....Kubuntu 7.04
[02:46] <parsnip> ch40s: found it
[02:47] <ch40s> parsnip: was it in there?
[02:47] <_2> quicklauncher is not on by default ???     /me is confused again.
[02:47] <parsnip> ch40s: yeah man, just wasnt sure what it was called
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> enotee: are you sure you need to? what app is it?
[02:47] <manikfox> tekstacy, no prob
[02:48] <enotee> the latest flash plugin
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> enotee: there is a deb for it..
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> (at least there was for the previous version)
[02:48] <enotee> how do i do that
[02:49] <_2> !flash
[02:49] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> enotee: do what?
[02:49] <enotee> install the deb
[02:49] <brewmaster> is it possible to hook up an external HD to one of those USB dvd players?
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> enotee: "sudo dpkg -i <deb>.deb"
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> where <deb> is replaced by the path to the .deb
[02:50] <parsnip> ch40s, _2:thanks for the help guys..peace out
[02:50] <ch40s> late
[02:50] <enotee> thanks i'll try that
[02:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> mmmkay
[02:51] <frank__> !Gnash
[02:51] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[02:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> something just happened and it wasn't happy
[02:51] <frank__> is gnash any good?
[02:52] <_2> daisuke electronic or in the real world ?
[02:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> electronic
[02:52] <manikfox> why you need it? just install the firefox32
[02:52] <manikfox> frank_
[02:52] <tekstacy> I have an external hdd, it has 3 partitons, but when I plug it in k only sees one. How can I fix this
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: software or hardware?
[02:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> software
[02:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> i think
[02:53] <manikfox> tekstacy, what kind of partitions?
[02:53] <_2> manikfox may not be a case of "need"   possably "want"
[02:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> WSOD starting compiz
[02:53] <manikfox> __2 true, no real want for it, its a flash plugin, as long as the videos play right?
[02:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> though i'm still using the intel driver...  nothing else bad seems to have happened.
[02:54] <tekstacy> I believe it is 2 ntfs and 1 fat32, it sees the fat 32.    It was my old windows system drive
[02:54] <garfield> nosrednaekim:  how do i put beryl back to default?
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> garfield: hmm dunno.
[02:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah, gutsy here i come!
[02:54] <_2> manikfox no.  could factor in a FOSS mentality and you would come up with gnash :)
[02:54] <tekstacy> I really miss those gigs of music on there....
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: ell me how it goes..
[02:55] <scienceboy> how do i figure how much ram i have on this laptop? i can't navigate 'hardware information'
[02:55] <manikfox> __2 your right, but its not exactly coming out of your pocket to use the flash one
[02:55] <_2> scienceboy free
[02:55] <manikfox> tekstacy, you have to mount them
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> scienceboy: "free -m"
[02:56] <tekstacy> ok, how?
[02:56] <_2> manikfox free as in beer != free as in speach  :)
[02:56] <manikfox> tekstacy, as ntfs-3g, mount /dev/hda or /dev/sdb1, which ever device it is
[02:56] <scienceboy> thanks!
[02:57] <manikfox> __2, ah, now I understand
[02:57] <_2> scienceboy and if you want more info    less /proc/meminfo
[02:57] <scienceboy> is the the number next to mem: and under total?
[02:58] <tekstacy> cool, thanks, I will give that a try. Wish I had thought to back all that stuf up BEFORE I broke windows
[02:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> this should be able to be handled by replacing feisty in sources.list with gutsy, and doing an update/dist-upgrade, correct?
[02:59] <scienceboy> allright, thanks!
[02:59] <_2> yeah.  but a few things may strill break that have not been ported to the gutsy repos yet Daisuke_Laptop
[03:00] <dudeicles> is there anything better than TurboPrint for print drivers?
[03:02] <tekstacy> Goodnight all. Thanks for the help
[03:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> what's the worst thing that could happen?
[03:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> i get left having to restore from dell's grub option?
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: I think thats what you do..
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: I also think there is an upgrade tool
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> GUI
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:05] <Max-P_> Hi, Can KPPP disconnect from the internet when there is an incomming call?
[03:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> Arwen: i wish i knew
[03:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> i've lost 3 spots in the idlerpg i play :(
[03:07] <Arwen> It can't even detect being killed by an ircop.
[03:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> because it doesn't autoreconnect properly :\
[03:07] <Arwen> And you can't force a reconnect, you have to wait for it to timeout..
[03:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh yeah, wish me luck
[03:07] <_2> ssh error     Permission denied (publickey,password).
[03:07] <_2> ?
[03:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> 25 minutes to go on the upgrade part
[03:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> think i'll throw on some futurama
[03:08] <Arwen> Futurama :-\
[03:09] <_2> anyone have a clue-by-four they can hit me with on that one?
[03:10] <_2> Arwen turn autoreconnect off ?
[03:10] <Arwen> meh
[03:10] <Arwen> does Konversation have an auto-rejoin on kick?
[03:10] <_2> i'm sure
[03:10] <Jucato> nope
[03:11] <_2> Jucato no ?    you mean that konversation is the only irc client that doesn't have that option ?
[03:11] <Jucato> yep

[03:12] <Jucato> the feature seems to be considered annoying on the part of devs/operators... kick for doing something, rejoin... kick, rejoin...
[03:13] <_2> like duh.  if the op in Q doesn't want you to rejoin that's what ban is for...
[03:14] <NickPresta> _2, usually if you were kicked, it means wait a little while and cool off before coming back. It doesn't mean "Please come back in 3 seconds"
[03:15] <_2> usually if i was kicked, it means i remounted jucato's system nosuid    :)))
[03:15] <sayers> Is there a way to take a presentation in Open office or Koffice and make a movie out of it to play on a dvd player?
[03:16] <_2> !capture
[03:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about capture - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:20] <rignes> dthacker-lt: Hey there, I'm finally back.  I rebooted but the CD icon on the desktop doesn't have a "Remove Safely" option when I right click it.
[03:22] <dthacker-lt> rignes: then I'm not sure what else to try.   Can you leave it plugged in?  get a hub
[03:23] <rignes> It's not a big deal, I'll mess with it and see what I can work out.
[03:23] <rignes> Thanks for the suggestion though.
[03:25] <dudeicles> If I have a printer that is usb what type of driver should I use?
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> dudeicles: depends on your printer
[03:26] <Sirius> Hi there everyone, got a question anyone avaliable for an hint ? is there any support for the nv GeForce Go 7200 ? Thks
[03:26] <dudeicles> what's the difference between CUPS, LPD, LPRing, PDQ or what else
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> Sirius: yup..
[03:27] <Sirius> nosrednaekim:  hmmm Remmember me ??
[03:27] <Sirius> lol
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> nope...
[03:27] <Sirius> :P
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> too many people come through here
[03:27] <Sirius> nosrednaekim:  can you point me into an direction ?
[03:27] <dudeicles> well according to the Openprinting database my recommended driver is bj8pa06n.upp
[03:27] <Jucato> !printer
[03:27] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[03:28] <dudeicles> how do I install how do I install ah
[03:28] <Jucato> dudeicles: just try adding your printer. the driver might be installed already
[03:28] <dudeicles> cups how do I install using a cups?
[03:28] <win-X-perts> anyone know how to get all the domain with ebay.com in the ame
[03:28] <dudeicles> it's not
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> !nvidia | Sirius
[03:28] <ubotu> Sirius: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:28] <dudeicles> or I didn't see it.
[03:28] <win-X-perts> s/ame/name
[03:28] <Jucato> Syste Settings -> Printers?
[03:29] <Sirius> nosrednaekim:  Many thanks, your helping me for the secong time, can wait for me to be able to help someone in this channel :) once again thanks
[03:29] <dudeicles> printer is crashing
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> Sirius: lol... I still don't remeber who you are.
[03:29] <Sirius> i meant "CanT"
[03:29] <dudeicles> may have to reboot
[03:29] <dudeicles> brb
[03:29] <Sirius> that's not qa problem I remmember you
[03:29] <_2_> why doesn't   "ListenAddress <IP_ADDRESS>/16"  work in sshd.conf ?
[03:29] <Jucato> re-what? O.o
[03:30] <Sirius> nosrednaekim:  I was the guy with the SpeedTouch problem that just couldn't use nothing more than w3m and the IRC client
[03:30] <Sirius> nosrednaekim:  anyway it's not important :)
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> Sirius: ah yes! did you fix that?
[03:30] <Sirius> Sure format new install
[03:30] <Sirius> lol
[03:30] <Sirius> and then
[03:31] <Sirius> Fu**k speetouch and Welcome Wifi
[03:31] <Sirius> I do want my machine running Kubuntu :)
[03:31] <yurimxpxman> how can I setup my own bittorrent tracker?
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:33] <Sirius> nosrednaekim:  People like you represent the community and this for me is way to important and lets face it I'm far from being and linux guru way way tooooo far but ther's no need to be a genius, Compiz Fusion kick's vista ASS
[03:33] <Sirius> lol
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:34] <Sirius> nosrednaekim:  well let me get into that nvidia drive, once again thanks and keep up the god work
[03:37] <Sirius> nosrednaekim: this may make you laught but here it goes I can't find Administration  Restricted Devices Manager
[03:37] <Sirius> under the system menu
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> Sirius: i'm not laughin.... thats a ubuntu tutorial
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> Sirius: run "sudo apt-get install restricted-manager" and then "kdesu restricted-manager"
[03:38] <Sirius> lol third time :) thanks
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> Sirius: there is a KDE version coming in the next release
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> I have to  modify that wiki...
[03:39] <hitmanWilly> nosrednaekim, so again, kubuntu gets the same stuff that gnome ubuntu has had for six months
[03:41] <Sirius> Well on to Reboot
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> hitmanWilly: yep..
[03:41] <hitmanWilly> sometimes i wish the kubuntu devs would come up with something so the gnome guys could be jealous of us for a change
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> like... umm... KDE?
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> lol
[03:42] <hitmanWilly> lol
[03:42] <hitmanWilly> oh well, i mainly use gentoo anyway, though kubuntu is nice on the lappy
[03:44] <hitmanWilly> heh, maybe i should learn qt and come up with something
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> you should..
[03:44] <sayers> Where is the Image magick Binary path and also where is the Mjpegtools binary path?
[03:44] <hitmanWilly> ahh, intelikey's here :)
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> sayers: "type >command name>"
[03:46] <intelikey> hitmanWilly maybe
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> "type <command name>
[03:46] <hitmanWilly> lol
[03:46] <intelikey> Permission denied (publickey,password).
[03:47] <intelikey> ssh error   ^
[03:47] <intelikey> it wont allow login as user   only as root...
[03:48] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, your ssh is set up to allow root login?
[03:49] <intelikey> hitmanWilly seems  root only
[03:49] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, that's weird
[03:49] <hitmanWilly> something off in the config file?
[03:50] <tzanger> good evening
[03:51] <intelikey> hitmanWilly no it's public key issue.    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39378
[03:51] <NickPresta> !hi | tzanger
[03:51] <ubotu> tzanger: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[03:51] <tzanger> I've got an i950 based video card and I need to override the BIOS modes for my new monitor; the ubuntu bugtracker says I need to use the updatd x11 driver for this card, but do I use xserver-xorg-intel or i850?
[03:51] <intelikey> and don't worry ssh is only listening on 192.168.*.*
[03:52] <hitmanWilly> ok
[03:52] <tzanger> ahh, I'm using i810 right now, trying the -intel driver
[03:53] <intelikey> i have redone those keys though and i still have the same problem...
[03:53] <holymoly> hey guys
[03:53] <holymoly> what might be anice simple application to backport
[03:53] <holymoly> say from gutsy
[03:53] <holymoly> something that doesn't require too many dependencies?
[03:53] <intelikey> it might be that there is no password on that box maybe ???     maybe pam is freekin' over that or something..
[03:53] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, is there something on ssh to update the gpg key ring, like apt-key add?
[03:54] <intelikey> hitmanWilly it's not gpg  but yeah i have rebuilt the keys.   (i use a script)
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> ok
[03:54] <tzanger> there we go
[03:55] <tzanger> much better
[03:55] <tzanger> thanks!
[03:55] <intelikey> i'll rebuild them again.
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> maybe, don't know how much help i can be if you use your own keygen algorithm
[03:56] <sayers> Hello is there any help using digiKam to encode a slide show?
[03:56] <intelikey> hitmanWilly  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39379
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> sayers: K3B CAN DO THAT
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> sorry caps
[03:58] <hitmanWilly> ok, are you running this from the proper directory, since the script uses a relative path?
[03:58] <sayers> nosrednaekim: well ill look into it
[03:58] <sayers> nosrednaekim: any pointers or guides on how?
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> actually, I just saw today that it is a plugin...no idea how it works or anything
[03:59] <sayers> nosrednaekim: Do you have a link
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> !info k3b-plugins
[04:00] <ubotu> Package k3b-plugins does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> !info k3b-plugin
[04:00] <ubotu> Package k3b-plugin does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:00] <sayers> im on gutsy
[04:00] <sayers> ill cache search
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> k
[04:00] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, also, ssh have any updates lately? they may have changed some paths around
[04:01] <sayers> nornop
[04:01] <sayers> nosrednaekim: nope*
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> dunno what its called... seach for k3b
[04:05] <intelikey> hitmanWilly yes home dir and no *ssh* hasn't been updated.   odd thing i use the same version on several boxes, works on some not on others   but root works on all....
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, hmmm, that is weird, you got me
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, maybe a UID issue?
[04:07] <intelikey> hitmanWilly maybe.   i though even that i mount "nosuid" might affect it.  just checked that,  no change.
[04:07] <hitmanWilly> though I don't really see how that could affect it though...
[04:07] <hitmanWilly> firewall settings?
[04:08] <intelikey> well could be i guess  but how would that deny one user and not another ?
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> tho that wouldn't allow you to login as root either
[04:09] <intelikey> and i just sshed through one of the boxes in question to another box     so it's not firewall
[04:09] <hitmanWilly> hmm, this is weird
[04:09] <intelikey> you looked at that script ?
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> yeah, seems workable enough
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> the relative path thing was the only issue i saw that might cause issues
[04:11] <intelikey> ok i run   sshremotekey user 0.1     it makes the key file and asks for the password   works fine..     i run   sshremotekey user 1.3     and it does the same things but still requires a password to login...     idk   it's baffeled me.
[04:12] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, is the key file getting written too?
[04:12] <intelikey> then    sshremotekey root 1.3    and it works like it should...
[04:12] <intelikey> yes.   or the next test wouldn't work   ^
[04:12] <intelikey> see it's user specific
[04:12] <intelikey> and shouldn't be
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, ok, im running out of ideas here, i'm not really all that familiar with ssh
[04:13] <intelikey> let me check UID   you might have hit it...
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, i know that causes problems for NFS mounts
[04:14] <intelikey> no mention of my uid in the conf file
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, hmmm, there may be a problem there
[04:18] <encom> #ubuntu-es
[04:19] <^^Varitech-VFX^^> buenas noches
[04:20] <^^Varitech-VFX^^> alguien por aca ha usado el pc-bsd
[04:20] <droach> anyone know how to get usb game controllers working in feisty
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> droach, should be autodetected when you plug it in
[04:21] <droach> where do i configure it?
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> droach, control center, peripherals
[04:22] <droach> i dont see control center do you mean system settings
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> droach, or kcontrol
[04:22] <garfield> ???
[04:24] <droach> i cant find it i must be dumb
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> droach, try alt-f2, kcontrol, then under peripherals
[04:25] <droach> thaks
[04:25] <droach> but its not auto detecting
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, is it supported?
[04:26] <droach> it shows up in kinfo cente
[04:26] <droach> center
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> droach, so it
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> so it's not showing up under joysticks?
[04:26] <intelikey> well  i give up  i guess i'll just use the root account seeing that's all i can access,
[04:26] <droach> no
[04:27] <droach> i restarted kcontrol and it fount it
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> ok
[04:27] <droach> found
[04:27] <droach> thx
[04:30] <Mattchewie> can anyone tell me if Kopete supports AIM buddy icons? as in you can an icon to broadcast to other users?
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> ok, bbl
[04:32] <intelikey> howto grep for *.* not regex ?
[04:32] <garfield> can someone help me to install my webcam to use it ?it's a creative.
[04:32] <Mattchewie> intelikey  to grep for *.* you have to wrap it in quotes "*.*"
[04:33] <intelikey> got it.   ".*\..*"
[04:33] <soulrider> !software
[04:33] <ubotu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[04:34] <intelikey> err no actually  needed   ".?*\..?*"
[04:34] <intelikey> looks odd works well
[04:35] <intelikey> that's anything as long as it's something then dot and anything again
[04:35] <kaldrenon> Is anyone here familiar with issues between xorg and the Intel 915 display controller? I've got Kubuntu 7.04 running on a Dell Inspiron B130, and I've been having trouble getting KDE to work
[04:38] <sirius> Hi fellows anyone avaliable? I've just installed compiz fusion under an nvidia gfx, and I'm experience a bug related to black windows, any clue??
[04:38] <Mattchewie> sirius: does it happen over time?
[04:39] <sirius> Mattchewie: It pretty much happens every time i open a window still sometimes after a few tries the window renders correctly
[04:39] <sirius> but if I resize de Window Kaput
[04:39] <sirius> it goes black again
[04:40] <Mattchewie> sirius: Hrm, I don't know if this is the same issue or not but I know when I had beryl installed it had an issue that over time, the windows would go black. Apparenlty there something in the nvidia driver and beryl didn't play well.
[04:41] <Mattchewie> In which the answer I have heard is "no fix till the driver is fixed"
[04:41] <Mattchewie> :(
[04:41] <Mattchewie> sirius: did you run beryl of compiz before hand?
[04:42] <sirius> I was readind something about that when the window faded black can you provide me the command to replace compiz with the other manager? No this is the first time i actually get compiz to work ( the other time i was way tooo busy with my speetouch modem lol)
[04:43] <sirius> Mattchewie: any idea?
[04:43] <Mattchewie> Well I don't know what all has changed in fusion, but in beryl you had the beryl manager and you could just right click on that and go back to kwin or metacity. I'm not sure of the command off the top of me ticker
[04:44] <kaldrenon> Advice, anyone? I'm getting an error when I try to log in to a KDE session, and I don't know why I'm getting it or how to fix it. The error is "(WW) intel: No matching device section for instace (BusID PCI:0:2:!) found"
[04:44] <kaldrenon> intel is my graphics driver
[04:44] <ch40s> sirius: try alt+F2 then compiz --replace
[04:44] <kaldrenon> And PCI:0:2:! is my display adapter (I tihnk)
[04:44] <Mattchewie> ahh yeah thats it, --replace
[04:44] <sirius> Mattchewie: I do enjoy an fancy desktop can you provide me with some other nice system to replace compiz ?
[04:44] <sirius> ch40s: thank you
[04:45] <sirius> Mattchewie: thank you :)
[04:45] <ch40s> np
[04:45] <intelikey> anyone want to test a script ?     http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39381
[04:45] <Mattchewie> intelikey: KEYLOGGER!! ..heheh I kid, a little old school WoW forum humor. :|
[04:46] <Mattchewie> sirius: well there is another system out there, let me get you the right spelling for it
[04:46] <intelikey> Mattchewie :)
[04:46] <sirius> Mattchewie: Thanks I'll wait :)
[04:47] <Mattchewie> sirius: Ok, well there isn't a package for it but its called Metisse
[04:47] <AirstrikeIvanov> Nice keylogger
[04:47] <AirstrikeIvanov> It seems like one anyways lol
[04:47] <sirius> Mattchewie: I'm gona try to check it thanks
[04:47] <AirstrikeIvanov> Anyone here know how to fix your APT when it tries to install both kde4libs and kde5libs?
[04:47] <Mattchewie> They have utube video on it if you want to see it in action
[04:47] <Mattchewie> *youtube
[04:48] <AirstrikeIvanov> Im stuck in a infinite dependency-error loop in my APT D=
[04:48] <sirius> gona check it :)
[04:48] <intelikey> AirstrikeIvanov pastebin the error message
[04:49] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: have you done a "dmesg" and looked at the output? See if there was any issue during boot up etc?
[04:50] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: I haven't, no. I'll go do that now
[04:50] <sirius> Mattchewie: Hmm thankyou but it is just not what i was expecting, well the 3d and all the compiz plugins are just graet, anyone know about a sucessor for compiz or beryl without an known compatibilty issue related to nvidia cards?
[04:51] <AirstrikeIvanov> Uh
[04:51] <AirstrikeIvanov> Nope
[04:51] <Mattchewie> sirius: compiz fusion is pretty much it when it comes to the whizbang factor in linux
[04:51] <AirstrikeIvanov> I use nvidia, and compiz fusion wont even install
[04:51] <AirstrikeIvanov> And #compiz-fusion just ran me around in circles for an hour and a half instead of actually helping
[04:51] <Mattchewie> AirstrikeIvanov: haha same, but then again, I haven't put much effort into it since its all new.
[04:51] <AirstrikeIvanov> yeah
[04:52] <AirstrikeIvanov> this is old hardware anyways
[04:52] <AirstrikeIvanov> cant support running a Wine game in GL without a segmentation fault
[04:52] <Mattchewie> Really I just missed the expose` esk feature, so I installed Kompose
[04:52] <Mattchewie> :D
[04:52] <AirstrikeIvanov> yeah
[04:52] <AirstrikeIvanov> Wait
[04:52] <sirius> AirstrikeIvanov: I'm not an expert lol not even near that, but I had to install the correct drives for my Geforce go 7200 if you want to try your luck i can point you to the tutorial i've used, still it is in portuguese but I woulb be glad to translate it for you :)
[04:53] <AirstrikeIvanov> Ugh
[04:53] <AirstrikeIvanov> I used Envy for it Sirius
[04:53] <AirstrikeIvanov> Im on the nvidia X server as we speak :P
[04:53] <AirstrikeIvanov> Beryl had worked, once
[04:53] <AirstrikeIvanov> N ow it just segmentation faults and crashes
[04:53] <intelikey> AirstrikeIvanov you want me to try to help with dpkg ?  or no ?
[04:53] <AirstrikeIvanov> intelikey: I m pasting, hold up
[04:54] <AirstrikeIvanov> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36393/
[04:54] <sirius> lol that kinda remmembers one thing ... what's the name.... hmmm Windows? lol , joke :))
[04:54] <AirstrikeIvanov> i went and installed the KDE 4 beta
[04:54] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: nothing's poppoing out at me. FYI, when I log in via console and become root with "sudo su", startx launches a KDE session successfully. But when I attempt to log in under my username from the graphical login, or by logging in via console and NOT becoming root, the session borks
[04:54] <AirstrikeIvanov> cause i am trying to learn to develop Plasmoids
[04:55] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: did you just do this install or have you had it installed for a while now?
[04:56] <sparr> when first running a new version of kde i was asked if i wanted kde or windows style keyboard shortcuts.  how can i change that decision?
[04:56] <wersdaluv> is there something like os x's spotlight for kde?
[04:56] <intelikey> AirstrikeIvanov ok you have something wrong in the /etc/apt/sources.list  it looks like.  care to pastebin it ?
[04:56] <sirius> I'm currently evolving from the Windows environment to the Unix systems I guess that it still requieres the time I don't have, I'm losing my hope on Kubuntu, I need and ready and reliable system so that I can get my work done as quicky as I can ( anyway not complaining Im in love for kubuntu, it is just not realiable enought)
[04:57] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: It's a new install. I installed it yesterday, and everything worked fine. I made a few minor config changes, but nothing severe. But I had to reboot this morning, and I couldn't get a KDE session to start after that.
[04:57] <intelikey> AirstrikeIvanov ummm how did you install the kde4 beta ?
[04:57] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: what kidn of config changes? any thing to xorg.conf?
[04:57] <AirstrikeIvanov> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36366/ And yes, I followed the link and installed it exactly. Unfortunately, nothing at all worked inside KDE4, including Amarok
[04:58] <AirstrikeIvanov> Amarok had just kept claiming that there was no sound engine
[04:58] <AirstrikeIvanov> (Im currently listening to last.fm streams and it works fine in non-beta KDE)
[04:58] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: yes, but every time I made changes I restarted X in order to test them. IIRC there were no changes to xorg.conf between my last successful session and the reboot
[04:59] <Mattchewie> sirius: Linux is very stable but once you start adding all those effects etc you will find some instablity in the Desktop Environment. If you just run it as is, I have never had an isssue
[04:59] <sirius> well guys many thanks for your help, you've been of great help :)
[04:59] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: Did you do these edits by hand or did a tool do them?
[04:59] <sirius> Mattchewie: as my RTOS for my PIC 16f84 stable but no that usefull
[05:00] <AirstrikeIvanov> sirius: Linux is quite stable indeed, till you start mucking around. It usually ends with extra trips to this chat room D:
[05:00] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:00] <soulrider> !compiling
[05:00] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:00] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: trying to install a driver or change rez for your monitor?
[05:01] <AirstrikeIvanov> intelikey: I followed the link in the topic of this channel.
[05:01] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: yeah. My laptop has an Intel 915 display controller, so in order to get a rez greater than 1024x768 I had to apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[05:01] <sirius> AirstrikeIvanov:  the thing is Vista sucks but XP with some nice updates can become a very solid workstation, and it just doesn't requier all this effort I just plug my modem and I'm ready to go, I guess it's manufacters fault to don't provide the fair suport to linux
[05:02] <Mattchewie> sirius: phone modem?
[05:02] <sirius> SpeedTouch ADSL modem (st330)
[05:02] <AirstrikeIvanov> sirius: Indeed. Best to use wired ethernet with an NVidia graphics card. Least amount of worry.
[05:02] <Ayres> ola
[05:03] <sirius> I got it work but i just couldn't use konkeror nither anythen apart from the w3m
[05:03] <sirius> Ayres: Ol
[05:03] <sirius> Ayres:
[05:03] <Mattchewie> sirius: oh see, I run EVERYTHING through my router. So it takes care of all that fun PPoE sign in stuff :D
[05:03] <sirius> Ayres:  s portugues, Eres espaol ??
[05:03] <intelikey> AirstrikeIvanov backports may be causing the problem.    here's what i would try,   first comment out the two backports lines in the sources.list  and  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -f      if that doesn't fix it.  you'll probably have to force a remove on the kde4/5 stuff to ever get it streightened out.   (( sudo dpkg --force-all -P kde4base kde4base-dev kdelibs5-dev kdelibs5 kde4libs-data kdepimlibs4 kdepiml
[05:03] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: Lets try this
[05:04] <Ayres> Portogues..
[05:04] <Ayres> ma pod esser in Italianao
[05:04] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: alt+f2, type "konsole" in the run box, then "sudo su -".
[05:04] <sirius> para que, lol eu sou portugues ;) e o italiano s arranho um pouco
[05:04] <Jucato> !it | Ayres
[05:05] <ubotu> Ayres: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:05] <Jucato> er...
[05:05] <intelikey> possably followed by a -f  ^
[05:05] <Mattchewie> GASP!!!! I'm out of smokes
[05:05] <Jucato> !pt | Ayres
[05:05] <ubotu> Ayres: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[05:05] <Jucato> (not thinking straight toady...)
[05:05] <n8k99_> Jucato!
[05:05] <sirius> Jucato: toady ? :) We can see that
[05:05] <Jucato> hi n8k99!!! :)
[05:06] <dudeicles> does anyone here use kdm theme manager?
[05:06] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: done (Was already there since I was scanning aptitude regarding something else)
[05:06] <garfield> stdin: you there?
[05:06] <Jucato> dudeicles: what's the problem?
[05:06] <intelikey> sudo aptitude remove -f    might give a different optional course.
[05:06] <n8k99> dudeicles: yes i do
[05:06] <sirius> Mattchewie: well f**k teh fancy desktop I'm with Kubuntu for good :D
[05:07] <sirius> *the
[05:07] <dudeicles> Jucato: it says to change my them I need to click the "Administrator Mode" button
[05:07] <dudeicles> there is no button. LOL
[05:07] <Jucato> ah yes that bug
[05:07] <dudeicles> bug huh? lol
[05:07] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: "cd /etc/X11/" then "ls xorg.*" and let me know how many files you get :D
[05:07] <dudeicles> why me?
[05:07] <dudeicles> :P
[05:07] <Jucato> dudeicles: press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol" go to System Administration -> KDM Theme Manager
[05:07] <sirius> Mattchewie: do you know any good resources for KDE Themes ?
[05:07] <AirstrikeIvanov> intelikey: Youre freakin awesome.
[05:07] <Mattchewie> sirius: hehe good, If my girlfriend can use it I'm sure you can :P
[05:07] <AirstrikeIvanov> intelikey: Its removing all the KDE4 beta packages now.
[05:07] <Mattchewie> sirius: kde-look.org is where I will go
[05:08] <dudeicles> that's much better
[05:08] <dudeicles> thank you Jucato
[05:08] <AirstrikeIvanov> intelikey: Now is the KDE 4 beta actually usable, or is it mostly for development?
[05:08] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: I have two. xorg.conf and a backup made by dpkg, timsetamped at about three in the afternoon, which is sadly after this problem started.
[05:08] <sirius> Mattchewie: Lol my girlfrind it's on Genetic Research Bioknopixx is it's world lol even her can kick my ass on linux lol :)
[05:09] <dudeicles> if I download a theme from kde-look.org where would I put it to install?
[05:09] <intelikey> AirstrikeIvanov    when you think you have that sorted out,  run   sudo apt-get install -f     just to be sure everything is ok in the deps department...
[05:09] <Jucato> AirstrikeIvanov: http://dot.kde.org/1188928003/ (still mostly for dev)
[05:09] <dudeicles> intelikey: Good evening buddy
[05:09] <Jucato> !changethemes | dudeicles
[05:09] <ubotu> dudeicles: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[05:09] <dudeicles> HD's still mounting.
[05:09] <intelikey> dudeicles how are you
[05:09] <dudeicles> intelikey: Good
[05:09] <intelikey> tov
[05:09] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: For shatz and giggles. "cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak && cp <xorg back up file> xorg.conf"
[05:10] <guymac_tucson> ...got a guestion about wpa & knetworkmanager
[05:10] <Mattchewie> guymac_tucson: SHOOT DUDE!
[05:10] <guymac_tucson> dude, recently it just rarely connects
[05:10] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: I should say that <xorg back up file> ...is the one that the reconfigue did.....or your ORIGINAL xorg file
[05:10] <AirstrikeIvanov> Ah, damn
[05:11] <AirstrikeIvanov> Then Ill stick with KDE3 for now
[05:11] <AirstrikeIvanov> Ill wait till the beta is usable for normal users, and not just devs
[05:11] <Mattchewie> guymac_tucson: ? like how ?
[05:11] <krisx> howdy folks
[05:11] <AirstrikeIvanov> !hi | krisx
[05:11] <ubotu> krisx: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[05:11] <Mattchewie> guymac_tucson: like to your own AP or other aps?
[05:11] <kaldrenon> MAttchewie: Yeah, I see what you're going for
[05:11] <guymac_tucson> I can boot into xp, which I would otherwise never do, and it always connects
[05:12] <intelikey> AirstrikeIvanov one reason i didn't answer your Q about is kde4 ready for use or not, is simply because i didn't know.   i don't even use kde...   :)
[05:12] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: if we copy that file back, reboot and it works, then we at least know the root of the issue
[05:12] <AirstrikeIvanov> Ah, understandable
[05:12] <kkathman> kde 4 still has a long way to go :)
[05:12] <AirstrikeIvanov> yeah
[05:12] <AirstrikeIvanov> i had tried the beta, and broke my apt, but intelikey fixed it lol
[05:12] <kkathman> yep ditto
[05:12] <guymac_tucson> there doesn't seem to be any debug capability in knetworkmanager
[05:12] <intelikey> apt / dpkg i do use... :)
[05:12] <Mattchewie> yeah, and they put 2 month extension on it too :D
[05:12] <guymac_tucson> and I'm not that familiar with doing it via the command line
[05:12] <kkathman> but some nice things eventually if they can come through :)
[05:13] <Jucato> AirstrikeIvanov: don't worry. when the time comes for KDE 4 beta to be useful (maybe beta 3 or 4), the buzz will be so loud you can't miss it
[05:13] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: I should remove root status and try startx after that, yes?
[05:13] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: yes sir, give it a spin, that or you can just type in "reboot" as root :D
[05:13] <kkathman> everyone should learn cli to some extent - eventually you'll have to fix something :)
[05:13] <AirstrikeIvanov> yeah
[05:13] <Mattchewie> guymac_tucson: Its not connecting to your network or other networks? are they using security?
[05:13] <AirstrikeIvanov> i want to learn to dev for it too
[05:13] <guymac_tucson> sometimes there is a eth0:avah device (WTF?) that has a very unusual IP
[05:13] <hydrogen> or discover vi
[05:13] <krisx> yeah i love that guy that was my conversion to linux i can game on windows  and i can be an artist sudo developer on linux lol
[05:13] <guymac_tucson> yes, WPA (1)
[05:14] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: Alright, I'll give the reboot a go, although since the timestamp is later in the day than the problem, I'ma guess it's no go.
[05:14] <intelikey> yeah scuttel butt always insists we upgrade to the latest *    you'll know when it's ready...    :)
[05:14] <garfield> who can help me install my webcam? its a creative
[05:14] <Mattchewie> guymac_tucson: ahh hell, I don't think I can help then. I could never get wpa to work correctly with my bcm4318 and NDIS
[05:15] <guymac_tucson> alright
[05:15] <krisx> plus linux is so slick i find myself self just doing it
[05:15] <krisx> not i im a noob
[05:15] <krisx>  only year for me
[05:15] <garfield> noob
[05:15] <AirstrikeIvanov> ive been using ubuntu/kubuntu since only a week before Feisty was released lol
[05:16] <intelikey> NEW BEE !
[05:16] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: it's a bust. Attempting graphical login causes the screen to flicker between modes a couple times, then it just hops back to the graphical login dialog
[05:16] <AirstrikeIvanov> garfield, you should be more polite to others
[05:16] <garfield> stdin: if u see this msg i need help for my webcam
[05:16] <AirstrikeIvanov> dont call people a noob, it could be offensive
[05:16] <AirstrikeIvanov> specially to gamers
[05:17] <garfield> AirstrikeIvanov: lol sorry .wa is a noob?
[05:17] <intelikey> AirstrikeIvanov is went
[05:17] <krisx> well yeah and im running gutsy and hubbys been ten years he pisses me off when he trys to teach me
[05:17] <kaldrenon> AirstrikeIvanov: depends on n00b vs. noob vs. newbie, etc
[05:17] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: can you past your xorg to paste bin?
[05:17] <kaldrenon> Yeah, give me a sec
[05:17] <intelikey> kaldrenon AirstrikeIvanov is went
[05:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> finally finished the upgrade (and went to the store), now doing the dist-upgrade.
[05:18] <garfield> stdin: if u see this msg i need help for my webcam to make it work on kotepe
[05:18] <intelikey> gone.  left already
[05:18] <sirius> Anyone know a good packet analyser  ?
[05:19] <intelikey> ethreal ?
[05:19] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: I need to move the files to this computer - I'm on a college network and I haven't registered the laptop on the network yet
[05:19] <sirius> intelikey: Can't get it to work with my ipw3945
[05:19] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: np, take yer time, invoke the power of the ssh or ftp :P
[05:19] <Mattchewie> ........or thumbdrive :D
[05:19] <intelikey> sirius hmmm
[05:19] <krisx> hey im a noob i can do this for ten years and be proficient or buy lots of object destop  and be dumbed up
[05:19] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: thumb drive it is. =P
[05:20] <Biovore> you can buy lots of object desktops and still be dumb :-P
[05:20] <Biovore> Its the way of the MAC
[05:21] <krisx> ))))))))) LONG LIVE KUBUNTU))))))))
[05:21] <krisx> and gnome
[05:21] <intelikey> kubuntu is dead.   long live kubuntu.
[05:21] <Mattchewie> One the other hand, its something about the OS if people don't need that extensive knowledge to get things done :D
[05:21] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39382 should do the trick
[05:21] <garfield>  i need help for my webcam to make it work on kotepe or amsn
[05:22] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: let me peek
[05:22] <intelikey> Mattchewie yeah.   if you want to watch movies get a dvd player and television....     :)
[05:23] <dudeicles> do I have to reboot to see my themes?
[05:23] <garfield> kaldrenon: amsn is telling me im behind a firewall or a router when i try to lunch my webcam
[05:23] <krisx> need a mac pc linux commercial hi im bill g hi im steve jobs hi im freedom
[05:23] <intelikey> dudeicles the only time you need to reboot is to load a different kernel
[05:23] <dudeicles> hmmm
[05:23] <intelikey> dudeicles you may need to "logout / login"
[05:23] <dudeicles> so the themes in KDM don't change your window styles?
[05:23] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: sudo back to root and do a ls pci, look for your graphics drive and past me the whole line in here
[05:23] <dudeicles> ah
[05:23] <krisx> hope i didnt offend
[05:24] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: sorry "lspci"
[05:24] <dudeicles> will logout now
[05:24] <dudeicles> brb
[05:24] <jetsaredim> Riddell: any ideas when beta2 will be out?
[05:25] <intelikey> let me recant,  the only time you need to reboot is to load a different kernel or to change non-hotswapable hardware.
[05:25] <Jucato> jetsaredim: when the packages are ready and when it has been announced in kde.org
[05:26] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: I'll give you an lspci -v (the display part) once I get it from one copmuter to t'other
[05:26] <jetsaredim> Jucato: so the tarballs aren't out even?
[05:26] <garfield> kaldrenon: amsn is telling me im behind a firewall or a router when i try to lunch my webcam.what should i do?
[05:26] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: np
[05:26] <Jucato> jetsaredim: probably still being prepared. try checking www.kde.org
[05:27] <jetsaredim> Jucato: the only thing listed there is the beta1 announcement
[05:27] <kaldrenon> garfield: I don't know - frankly, I suck at dealing with network issues. Do you have a firewall or a router?
[05:27] <jetsaredim> but I'd heard that the beta2 snapshot had been taken
[05:27] <wersdaluv> does anyone here use google desktop? do you prefer it over katapult?
[05:28] <Jucato> jetsaredim: it has been tagged, yes. but not released
[05:28] <jetsaredim> and there was that ars technica article
[05:29] <Jucato> and yes, there are still no tarballs from kde.org. they might still be making them
[05:29] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39383 Think that's what you wanted
[05:29] <Jucato> yes. from a KDE developer who is very much capable of building KDE 4 from SVN :)
[05:29] <Jucato> he doesn't need to wait for tarballs
[05:29] <krisx> so can anyone tell me  how to be a motu i know how to basic do basic things in terminal but i want to shine and winters coming here in mn is there a linux for dummys i really love my dual monitor gutsy  got bless ubuntu )))))),,,,,, my enthusiam wants me to cry lol
[05:30] <dudeicles> intelikey: You know how stupid I am, so this question won't be weird. I applied the kdm theme and nothing changed. I logged out and in and nothing changed.
[05:30] <Jucato> !motu | krisx
[05:30] <ubotu> krisx: motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[05:30] <dudeicles> am I cray?
[05:30] <dudeicles> crazy*
[05:30] <Jucato> krisx: also try to ask in #ubuntu-motu
[05:30] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: what was the error your getting again?
[05:30] <Mattchewie> I thought motu stood for "mark of the unicorn".....hrmmm :P
[05:30] <_2> would anyone care to send me a file to test network settings
[05:30] <jetsaredim> Jucato: i've built it from svn before - prolly like 6 months ago when there was hardly anything to it
[05:30] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie: (WW) intel: No matching device section for instace (BusID PCI:0:2:!) found
[05:31] <jetsaredim> i suppose i'll wait for the packages then
[05:31] <intelikey> dudeicles umm  sorry you need to take that one up with a kde user
[05:31] <Mattchewie> :| is that a 1 or a !?
[05:31] <kaldrenon> 1
[05:31] <dudeicles> Jucato: Any ideas why when I applied the theme nothing happened?
[05:31] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: AHH!!
[05:31] <Jucato> dudeicles: nope... sorry
[05:32] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: hey man I'm going to PM you
[05:32] <Mattchewie> kaldrenon: Get it?
[05:32] <kaldrenon> MAttchewie: yeah, but it gave me some business about registering
[05:32] <kaldrenon> Mattchewie:Gimme a tick
[05:32] <yurimxpxman> are there any programs designed to rescue scratched CDs?
[05:33] <krisx> ive read thaT JUST NOT SURE HOW TO  get a mentor feel like i need linux for dummys need a lesson plan my hubby means but he sucks as a teacher
[05:33] <krisx> well
[05:33] <krisx> hubby
[05:33] <intelikey> ok if i dcc send to another box it has to go out to irc and back in to that other box     right ?
[05:33] <sirius> Anyone knows how to set a ipw3945 to work in monitor mode sothat can capture live data on Wireshark ?
[05:34] <Jucato> krisx: like I said, ask around in #ubuntu-motu
[05:34] <dudeicles> can anyone tell me what Beryl is?
[05:34] <krisx> okty jucato  long day
[05:34] <Jucato> !beryl | dudeicles
[05:34] <ubotu> dudeicles: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:35] <krisx> bye and thanks alot
[05:35] <intelikey> Jucato can dcc sends bypass the servers ?      you are chan op you are supposed to know these things
[05:35] <Jucato> I am supposed to? wow! I should resign
[05:36] <hydrogen> yes
[05:36] <hydrogen> dcc is direct client to client
[05:36] <hydrogen> hence it omits the server
[05:36] <intelikey> so if i disconnect the modem  i can still dcc send to _2 ???
[05:37] <intelikey> something about that doesn't sound right.
[05:37] <hydrogen> no
[05:37] <Jucato> hm.. yeah....
[05:37] <hydrogen> it bypasses the irc server
[05:37] <hydrogen> so you can disconnect from freenode
[05:37] <hydrogen> and still be connected to this person
[05:37] <Jucato> oh?
[05:37] <intelikey> hydrogen i am _@
[05:37] <intelikey> hydrogen i am _2
[05:37] <hydrogen> oh
[05:37] <hydrogen> then yes
[05:37] <_2> ok i'll test that
[05:37] <hydrogen> I thought _2 was over the internet :)
[05:38] <_2> i still don't think it will work
[05:38] <hydrogen> and I wanted to know where you learned your internets
[05:38] <_2> :)
[05:38] <intelikey> back after some tests
[05:38] <michael_> is there a gutsy gibbon chan?
[05:38] <Jucato> michael_: #ubuntu+1
[05:39] <garfield> amsn is telling me im behind a firewall or a router when i try to lunch my webcam.i try the command camorama i can see the image etc but not in amsn or kotepe detects my webcam
[05:41] <intelikey> ok that's what i though,   i may send client to client,  but it uses the irc server for dns resolution or something..
[05:42] <hydrogen> hmm
[05:42] <hydrogen> it shouldn't
[05:42] <intelikey> jsut because the two clients can see each other doesn't mean they can dcc anything.
[05:42] <hydrogen> it may route through the internet for some reason
[05:42] <hydrogen> but it connects directly from one computer to the other
[05:43] <intelikey> i tested with and without inet connection  works with   doesn't without
[05:43] <hydrogen> hmm
[05:43] <hydrogen> yea
[05:43] <hydrogen> probably routes the long way for whatever reason
[05:43] <hydrogen> try /dcc chat localip
[05:43] <hydrogen> bypass the lookup
[05:43] <hydrogen> no guarantees :)
[05:44] <intelikey> i sussssspose i can test a big file and see if the transfer rate is local or dialup speed
[05:44] <intelikey> oh i killed the other client... have to bring that end up first
[05:45] <davo0> hola alguien me puede ayudar a instalar una tarjeta nvidia
[05:45] <hydrogen> !es
[05:45] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
 try /dcc chat localip <<< are you high ?
[05:47] <hydrogen> it didn't work?
[05:47] <hydrogen> it was just a guess
[05:47] <hydrogen> :)
[05:47] <intelikey> oh i guess you are     HY-dorgen   :)
[05:48] <wckdkl0wn> how do i kill firefox?
[05:48] <savetheWorld> firegun!
[05:48] <kaldrenon> shoot it with a water gun
[05:48] <wckdkl0wn> i was being serious
[05:48] <savetheWorld> kill -9 <pid>
[05:48] <hydrogen> DCC uses direct TCP connections between the clients taking part to carry data. There is no flood control, so packets can be sent at full speed, and there is no dependance on server links (or load imposed on them). In addition, since only the initial handshake for DCC conections is passed through the IRC network, it is impossible for operators with cracked servers to spy on DCC messages.
[05:48] <hydrogen> from the rfc
[05:49] <intelikey> only the initial handshake for DCC conections is passed through the IRC network, <<<  yep
[05:51] <intelikey> testing again
[05:51] <dwidmann> ack :( how frustrating .... cmake doesn't want to find qmake ...
[05:54] <_2> it may be dirrect in the sense it bypasses the irc server  but it definitely goes out on the inet and back   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39385
[05:56] <intelikey> so all that testing was for this cause.   i wanted to know if a person with nat can test their own firewall by using /dcc send file other_self    and the answer is yes.
[05:57] <intelikey> even though it's dirrect client to client it does indeed go out to google and back, just to reach the other box    "google is just an example"
[05:58] <intelikey> so what ever dns you use, i suppose all traffic has to flow through it, on a dcc send.    at least the isp if not the isp's dns...
[05:59] <intelikey> i had a dcc chat and a dcc file transfer both in progress when i killed the modem and both died.
[06:00] <yurimxpxman> do any of you know of a way to play RealVideo 3?

[06:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> 20 minutes until dist-upgrade finishes and we see whether or not i have a usable system
[06:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> intelikey: it has to traverse public routers to get from point to point.  direct client-to-client refers to the fact that the irc server isn't involved except for the ack packets
[06:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's...  just how the net works
[06:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> what do you think time to live is? :)
 what do you think time to live is? :) <<< was that to me ?
[06:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> yep
[06:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> juuuust checking :P
[06:03] <intelikey> well i'd just be guessing.   don't think i have ever heard it used
[06:04] <intelikey> and no.  i'm not going to read about it for the next 7 hours... :)
[06:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> basic explanation: number of routers a packet can hit before it's dropped
[06:06] <hydrogen> I'd wonder why it couldn't connect over the lan ip if it knew it was on your lan..
[06:06] <intelikey> Daisuke_Laptop so you are saying basicly that in the sense of /dcc   dirrect means simply two less cyrcles in the path than without /dcc  :)
[06:06] <scheater5> Anyone managed to get the real time kernel from the gusty repos installed on feisty?
[06:06] <intelikey> hydrogen probably doesn't know anything about the lan
[06:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> yes BUT.  if you get disconnected from the server (not the net) the connection stays up
[06:07] <hydrogen> intelikey: right.. but if the ip resolves to alocal ip...
[06:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> scheater5: i'm just upping to gutsy -_-
[06:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> accident, perhaps
[06:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> granted, it's not a wide-range scenario
[06:08] <intelikey> :)
[06:09] <intelikey> ummm lets see if i crack the freenode server i'm connected to and reset it... then i can test that theory ...   hehhe
[06:09] <scheater5> Daisuke_Laptop: but, alas, i can't yet, as the reason I need the real time kernel is i run Ubuntu studio.
[06:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah
[06:09] <ubuntu> hey, is there any easy way to "upgrade" from feisty fawn (7.4) to Tribe 5 without having to reinstall all my software?
[06:09] <ses59_> printing problem using cups   the test page is fine kword open office and kspread all work fine  but thunderbird and firefox all print landscape not portrait as set
[06:10] <Don_jr> I have dual booted my laptop with windows vista and kubuntu.  How can I remove kubuntu without having to reformat and reinstall windows completely?
[06:10] <scheater5> ubuntu: the "old" way of doing that is to change every instance of "feisty" to "gusty' in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:10] <ses59_> it seems to be after I upgraded my firefox and thunderbird that it I can not print portrait now.
[06:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> scheater5: the old way is the way i'm using
[06:10] <intelikey> ubuntu no.  whether you do it with a clean install or dist-upgrade you do "reinstall all your software" either way.
[06:10] <hydrogen> !gutsy
[06:10] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[06:11] <scheater5> ubuntu: when doing a normal upgrade, that's not officially recommended anymore - but it'll get the job done
[06:11] <hydrogen> !upgrade
[06:11] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[06:11] <hydrogen> hmm
[06:11] <hydrogen> i know theres a factoid about update-manager somewhere
[06:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> !update-manager
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about update-manager - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <intelikey> perhaps we should define "software" before trying to answer that...
[06:12] <Don_jr> How can I remove kubuntu from a dual booted computer without reformatting and reinstalling the entire HD?
[06:12] <Pagan0ne> intelikey: software... firefox and plugins, kopete, ktorrent, virtualbox, etc
[06:12] <scheater5> daisuke_laptop: if only it worked that easy when i'm running ubuntu studio.  But i foresee all kinds of breakage if i tried that - and I'm not even sure there is a gusty repo for studio yet
[06:12] <hydrogen> Don_jr: from the kubuntu livve cd I suppose
[06:13] <hydrogen> you would need some way to resize the ntfs partition bigger
[06:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> scheater5: yeah, i could see problems doing it that way
[06:13] <Don_jr> hydrogen I didn't see a 'remove' option.  But I'll look again.  I should be able to resize the partition after I get the ext3 partition removed I bleive.
[06:13] <Pagan0ne> hydrogen: he could always nuke the ubuntu partition, and format the remaning space as ntfs, and just have 2 partitions
[06:14] <hydrogen> yea
[06:14] <hydrogen> Don_jr: try running qtparted from the livecd
[06:14] <Don_jr> nuke? how so?
[06:14] <hydrogen> rather than the installer
[06:14] <scheater5> daisuke_laptop: so basically i just need to know why i can install the generic gusty kernel fine, but not the real time
[06:14] <hydrogen> it will give you a more direct interface
[06:14] <intelikey> Pagan0ne if that's the intended meaning then i stand by my post ^  if it was meant to include +g's of sound/vidio files also  then you wouldn't want to "reinstall" all that either way...
[06:14] <Don_jr> hydrogen alright, I'll give that a shot.
[06:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> scheater5: i have no idea
[06:14] <scheater5> daisuke_laptop: :)  I've been getting that alot lately.
[06:15] <Pagan0ne> intelikey: i can get gutsy installed w/o formatting my /home directory thats not a issue, but like my sane and cups drivers are VERY finniky to install, and i dont want to go through that again
[06:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> i think gutsy replaces cups, doesn't it?
[06:16] <intelikey> yes it does
[06:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> so cups drivers are not an issue
[06:16] <Pagan0ne> Daisuke_Laptop: well does it include support for a brother mfc device?
[06:16] <intelikey> !info cupsys
[06:16] <ubotu> cupsys: Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.8-0ubuntu8 (feisty), package size 1582 kB, installed size 7896 kB
[06:16] <intelikey> !info cupsys gutsy
[06:16] <ubotu> cupsys: Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.0-3ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1976 kB, installed size 11024 kB
[06:19] <intelikey> Pagan0ne basicly   my moto is 'if it aint broke don't put *buntu on it'    err no that's not the one.   'if it aint broke don't fix it'     if you upgrade you can expect to redo what ever you did on that release   except it won't work the same.   if you are lucky it will be easier    if you are one of the many misfortunate ones it will not only have to be redone, something will never work right again...
[06:20] <intelikey> so be sure and try the new release,  maybe it will fix your problems........................
[06:21] <Pagan0ne> intelikey: i understand the if it aint broke motto, i was just having boot issues with my feisty install and was wrestling with the idea of installing gutsy to check it out, since this isnt a production box it isnt a big deal, but i dont want to wipe all my custom work if i can avoid it
[06:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> two minutes until the download finishes.  pray for me, fellow ubuntians
[06:22] <intelikey> Pagan0ne you can save the configs   and use as referances     tar -czf etc.bak.tgz /etc
[06:22] <don> How can I run something in the graphical mode as root?
[06:22] <intelikey> !kdesu
[06:22] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:23] <intelikey> !root
[06:23] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password.  Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:23] <don> intelikey thanks, I'll try that
[06:23] <underdog5004> the !root response is awesome1
[06:23] <Pagan0ne> including installing files out of a rpm archive and all kinds of nasties
[06:23] <underdog5004> erm, awesome, even
[06:24] <don> okay, I go to run, type in kdesu and it does nothing.....I don't know the name of the program exactly to put in with it
[06:24] <don> need to get into the system settings with root permissions
[06:24] <intelikey> Pagan0ne oh i'v played with a brother all in one...  heh  i don't envy you that.        but you'll still have to compile new drivers for the new kernel and such   if you had to build a driver...
[06:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> underdog5004: !windows is the best
[06:25] <underdog5004> yeah
[06:25] <Pagan0ne> intelikey: didnt have to compile, but lets just say i made franken-driver and it worked, so i didnt putz with it anymore
[06:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> don: kdesu kcontrol
[06:25] <Noldoaran> don: 'kdesu systemsettings'
[06:25] <don> Thanks you very much Daisuke_Laptop
[06:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> you're welcome
[06:26] <Pagan0ne> intelikey: anyway im gonna reboot and see if i can fix my grub boot issue, wish me luck, otherwise i may attempt gutsy....
[06:26] <intelikey> Pagan0ne yeah tar up your etc
[06:26] <intelikey> and goodluck to your pinguin
[06:26] <Pagan0ne> intelikey: actually, i was just gonna create a whole new partition for gutsy, migrate everything over, then delete the old partition and resize the new one
[06:27] <Pagan0ne> intelikey: thats why i like having 1Tb of hdd space :D
[06:27] <don> OKay, I don't seem to have qtparted here, is there a graphical interface I can use to alter the size of the ext3 partition? then I don't have to remove kubunu completely so maybe I can learn it.....
[06:27] <intelikey> no partitions here mate
[06:27] <don> but my winblows side is almost full, cause I did the partitions backwards...
[06:28] <intelikey> don try gparted
[06:28] <Pagan0ne> intelikey: well i could take the 2nd drive out of the raid array, and use that, but i have a whole 200Gb partition practically empty...
[06:28] <Pagan0ne> anyway, later, wish me luck!
[06:28] <don> intelikey should I try that with kdesu or in terminal?
[06:28] <intelikey> !gparted
[06:28] <arun> Anyone know of any tool to get a full page JPEG snapshot of a web page?
[06:28] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[06:28] <arun> not just the part visible in the window, the entire page
[06:28] <don> Bahhh, says it's not there...so I'll go install it, thank you
[06:29] <intelikey> kdesu in the terminal  <<<
[06:29] <hydrogen> ps
[06:29] <hydrogen> use qtparted
[06:29] <hydrogen> its much more non communist
[06:29] <SilentDis> hello, are there any GUIs out there for EVDO connections for linux?  got a parent who will be using it soon, and i don't think executing shell scripts is their cup of tea :P
[06:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> and much more buggy
[06:30] <intelikey> hydrogen he said it wasnt' there  so i said try gparted   maybe he has a ubuntu live
[06:30] <rdvon> how do I make a program run at startup?
[06:30] <don> I know nothing about linux, this kubuntu install is dual booted with windows so I can try to learn to use it...
[06:30] <intelikey> !autostart
[06:30] <SilentDis> i suppose any pppd client will work, so long as i can do the config ahead of time.
[06:30] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[06:30] <don> not sure if it's my thing or not.  I"m a gammer and linux isn't quite up to that just yet.  But I don't like microsoft....
[06:30] <rdvon> I used to no nothing about linux :)
[06:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> i see all of these things getting replaced in this upgrade and it makes me a little nervous, but it's too late to turn back now :D
[06:30] <intelikey> rdvon ^
[06:30] <intelikey> rdvon ^ see ubotu
[06:31] <rdvon> thanks
[06:31] <garfield> Daisuke the people in effects are noobs do u know about beryl and the effects and option with shortcuts?*
[06:31] <rdvon> I just add programs in this folder?
[06:31] <don> very much to learn to get to wehre I can make linux/kubuntu do what I want it to do I think.
[06:32] <rdvon> It's not that hard..
[06:32] <don> rdvon I blieve that the 'Autostart' is a file it's self you'll need to add the path to the program you want into that file.
[06:32] <rdvon> it's a folder :P
[06:32] <intelikey> SilentDis put the shell script on the desktop     that's what i do if someone says  "can you make it do ****"    i say sure    write a little script and put it on their desktop
[06:32] <don> It might not be that hard. But when all you've ever used is windows based PC's, it can be confusing for a while.
[06:33] <SilentDis> don: what games do you play?
[06:33] <rdvon> don: yes, it can.
[06:33] <intelikey> "click that"     they're happy    i'm happy
[06:33] <SilentDis> intelikey: that's an idea, yes.  i was just hoping not to take them out of the gui for anything.  a pppd gui would suffice, so long as i can config it ahead of time
[06:33] <don> Lineage, Ashen Empires, Conquer to name a few.  A few muds.  But I think I can get tintin++ and use it fiarly well if the scripts are set up the same as wintin for my muds.
[06:34] <garfield> intelikey: the people in effects are newbies, do u know about beryl and the effects and option with shortcuts?*
[06:34] <don> it's trying to get wine to run the client based cames that I'm having trouble with
[06:34] <rdvon> I'd just keep windows xp, wine is rubbish sometimes :)
[06:34] <intelikey> garfield no  never seen beryl compuis
[06:34] <SilentDis> intelikey: they get very... techy... around a term screen.  i think they have aversions to flashing cursors lol
[06:35] <garfield> SilentDis: ^^^
[06:35] <garfield> ?
[06:35] <intelikey> SilentDis kppp
[06:35] <intelikey> ?
[06:35] <don> Bah..I installed gparted...when I run kdesu gparted...it does nothing
[06:35] <rdvon> just download the live cd version.
[06:36] <rdvon> or try qtparted, i believe the kubuntu live cd comes with it :P
[06:36] <Okapi> hello to all
[06:36] <intelikey> don if you are using   ubuntu  it's  "gksudo gparted"
[06:36] <don> okay, I don't have the liveCD with me....I'm on a laptop in my truck which I drive for a living.  I got it running, but I can't alter the size of the main partition cause it's the one I'm using and it's mounted......
[06:36] <intelikey> and the channel is  >>>---------->>  over there at   #ubuntu
[06:37] <SilentDis> intelikey: i will be using kppp myself (EVDO 'net access from AllTel, already found most of the info on how to do it).  was hoping for something more... gnome... for them i guess.  if all else fails, you can bet they'll be using kppp though.  i'll go bug #ubuntu.  thanks :)
[06:37] <rdvon> don: that's  a problem :)
[06:37] <intelikey> SilentDis welcom
[06:37] <rdvon> no spare cd's? :<
[06:38] <serginho> hi all. Can anybody help me with a simple question?
[06:38] <don> all I have is DVD-r's with me and I don't want to waste 4gig cd for the 600meg's.....I can wait till I get home if I have no other choice
[06:38] <intelikey> serginho those are the only kind i answer
[06:38] <don> may try fdisk from the windows side and see if it will allow it or not.......I don't know sheesh
[06:38] <serginho> I try to install a program. UEBIMIAU
[06:39] <serginho> so I put this command
[06:39] <serginho> chown -R www-data.www-data /var/www/webmail
[06:39] <rdvon> http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s70/rdvon/snapshot1-1.png my desktop!
[06:39] <serginho> now I cant modify any file in this
[06:39] <rdvon> It took me an hour. I wanted to show it off :)
[06:39] <serginho> root does not do anithyng
[06:39] <intelikey> serginho you are probably not in the  www-data  group
[06:39] <serginho> sure
[06:40] <andrew_> hey ya'll...
[06:40] <serginho> I try create a user in this group and did not work
[06:40] <andrew_> anyone here knows any burning program for linux that you can actually add mp3?
[06:40] <rdvon> serginho: k3b..
[06:40] <intelikey> serginho   kde has an app  "kusers"    or in a konsole type    groups     and see if you are in the  www-data  group
[06:41] <intelikey> you can add your self to that group
[06:41] <Okapi> anyone no what this error means and how to fix it: "E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu:36: Extra junk at the end of file"?
[06:41] <andrew_> when I try to add an mp3 to k3b, it tell me that I have to convert the files to wav then try again...
[06:42] <rdvon> really? :\
[06:42] <Okapi> anyone know what this error means and how to fix it: "E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu:36: Extra junk at the end of file"?
[06:42] <rdvon> hmm...
[06:42] <serginho> here
[06:42] <serginho> www-data@serginho-kubuntu:~/webmail/inc$ groups
[06:42] <serginho> www-data
[06:42] <rdvon> you could always try searching around in adept
[06:42] <serginho> groups result
[06:42] <intelikey> serginho also of note   not only ownership  but permissions may need set.                                                               sudo chmod 775 -R /var/www/webmail ; sudo find /var/www/webmail/ -type f -exec chmod 664
[06:43] <intelikey> that should fix you up.   ^
[06:43] <andrew_> tried... but havn't seen any thus far...
[06:45] <intelikey> hehhe    www-data    is the user name and the group    you chould have full access to that location now...  :)
[06:45] <serginho> nothing yet
[06:45] <serginho> www-data@serginho-kubuntu:~$ sudo chmod 775 -R /var/www/webmail
[06:45] <serginho> www-data is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[06:45] <serginho> www-data@serginho-kubuntu:~$ postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[06:45] <serginho> yes
[06:45] <serginho> www-data@serginho-kubuntu:~$  sudo find /var/www/webmail/ -type f -exec chmod 664
[06:45] <serginho> www-data is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[06:45] <serginho> www-data@serginho-kubuntu:~$ postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[06:45] <intelikey> so run that command from your root jr. account
[06:45] <julian> df
[06:45] <intelikey> and don't flood the channel
[06:46] <serginho> sorry
[06:46] <intelikey>  run it as    serginho      that seems to be your username and your login acount name
[06:47] <serginho> ok
[06:49] <Dot> NullDot
[06:50] <andrew_> I didn't know Nero had a linux version.... did ya'll know that?
[06:50] <serginho> I put the results in private
[06:50] <intelikey> !regester
[06:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about regester - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:50] <underdog5004> andrew_, yeah, but I prefer k3b for burning stuff
[06:50] <intelikey> !pastebin | serginho
[06:50] <ubotu> serginho: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:50] <intelikey> !register
[06:50] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:51] <andrew_> does the nero linux burn audio good?
[06:51] <intelikey> does it use cdrecord is what i want to know
[06:51] <intelikey> !cdrecord
[06:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrecord - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:52] <intelikey> !info cdrecord
[06:52] <ubotu> cdrecord: Dummy transition package for wodim. In component main, is optional. Version 9:1.1.2-1 (feisty), package size 1 kB, installed size 36 kB
[06:52] <intelikey> ok wodem  then
[06:52] <Hirvinen> andrew_: What would you need Nero for on a Linux system when we have things like K3B?
[06:52] <intelikey> !wodim
[06:52] <serginho> intelikey, chmod: changing permissions of `/var/www/webmail/themes/uebimiau-2.7.10-theme.patch': Operation not permitted
[06:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wodim - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:52] <serginho> all files
[06:52] <intelikey> serginho with sudo ???
[06:52] <serginho> yes
[06:53] <serginho> and
[06:53] <serginho> root@serginho-kubuntu:/home/serginho# sudo find /var/www/webmail/ -type f -exec chmod 664
[06:53] <serginho> find: missing argument to `-exec'
[06:53] <andrew_> k3b can only burn wav files to the cd, I have a hard drive full with mp3... that's why.....
[06:53] <serginho> i try sudo su and nothing
[06:53] <intelikey> oooops turncated that...  i'll repost it.
[06:53] <Hirvinen> serginho: add {} \; to that
[06:53] <sumguy231> andrew: not so, you just need to install the libk3b-2-mp3 package
[06:54] <andrew_> thank you....
[06:54] <andrew_> can I get that with apt-get?
[06:54] <sumguy231> Yep.
[06:54] <serginho> Hirvinen ? I understand!
[06:55] <serginho> dit not understant
[06:55] <andrew_> thnks man...
[06:55] <intelikey> sudo chmod 775 -R /var/www/webmail ;; sudo find      sudo chmod 775 -R /var/www/webmail ; sudo find
[06:55] <sumguy231> If you have the medibuntu repository, though I could have sworn it used to be in multiverse
[06:55] <intelikey>             /var/www/webmail/ -type f -exec chmod 664
[06:55] <intelikey> did it again
[06:55] <intelikey> ignore me
[06:55] <intelikey> sudo chmod 775 -R /var/www/webmail ;; sudo find      sudo chmod 775 -R /var/www/webmail ; sudo find       sudo chmod 775 -R /var/www/webmail ; sudo find
[06:55] <intelikey>             /var/www/webmail/ -type f -exec chmod 664bah
[06:56] <_2> when things go wrong...
[06:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> ...like now :S
[06:56] <sumguy231> andrew: If you don't have it already, read about it here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[06:56] <_2> sudo chmod 775 -R /var/www/webmail ;sudo find /var/www/webmail/ -type f -exec chmod 664 '{}' \;          i believe that's it...
[06:56] <serginho> Operation not permited
[06:57] <sumguy231> Also it's called libk3b2-mp3, I don't know how that extra dash got there.
[06:57] <andrew_> thanks again...
[06:57] <sumguy231> And NOW I'm done talking about it. :)
[06:57] <Hirvinen> serginho: With find and -exec you need to use "{}" where the filename argument to that command would be and terminate the -exec argument with "\;"
[06:57] <serginho> sudo chmod 775 -R /var/www/webmail ;sudo find /var/www/webmail/ -type f -exec chmod 664 '{}' \; => Operation not permited
[06:57] <andrew_> lol...
[06:57] <serginho> all files
[06:58] <_2> serginho is there something mounted on /var/www/webmail or /var/www ?
[06:58] <_2> serginho the mount command can check that for you
[06:58] <serginho> apache2 on /var/www and /var/www/webmail a webmail client (Uebimiau)
[06:59] <_2> kill apache and try it
[06:59] <serginho> ok
[06:59] <_2> and uebimiau    if need be
[07:00] <Hirvinen> serginho, intelikey: Why not use symbolic modes? Far simpler: sudo chmod -R ug+rwX,o+rX /var/www/webmail
[07:01] <serginho> with apache stopped, operation not permited. I think webmial did not need to be stoped.
[07:01] <serginho> I instal based in this tutorial: http://www.nautilus.com.br/~rei/material/artigos/apache2-php4-uebimiau.html
[07:01] <serginho> I think in Permissoes is the command that block me
[07:01] <Hirvinen> X means execute only if the file is a directory or already was executable for one of the groups.
[07:02] <_2> Hirvinen i wouldn't think there should be anything executable in there    seeing it's a mail dir
[07:02] <serginho> I need to edit the file inc.php but I cant do it. Always recive Permission Read Only, with any user
[07:03] <Hirvinen> _2: The directory itself and possible subdirectories?
[07:03] <serginho> here the commands. Before a type its I can edit the files:
[07:03] <serginho> mkdir -p /var/spool/uebimiau/database/_cached_templates/uebimiau/
[07:03] <serginho> chown -R www-data.www-data /var/spool/uebimiau
[07:03] <serginho> chown -R www-data.www-data /var/www/webmail
[07:03] <serginho> /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[07:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> if i'm lucky, i'll be able to reboot and have a happy computer.  if i'm UNlucky, factory default reinstall :(
[07:03] <serginho> yes, many subs
[07:04] <serginho> i try to del all and start again, but I can remove the webmail's dir
[07:05] <serginho> I can't
[07:05] <_2> i'd have to look at your file system to have a clue what's going on there
[07:05] <serginho> permission read only
[07:06] <_2> unless something is locking it  or it's a mountpoint and the fs is mounted ro    that should never happen to root.
[07:07] <serginho> there are a way to put it down and clean all,star again?
[07:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> whee, it's getting into the kde stuff now :D
[07:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> there is just so much stuff that has to be changed :\
[07:08] <garfield> like
[07:08] <garfield> ?
[07:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> *everything*
[07:08] <_2> garfield like the whole installation
[07:08] <garfield> of?
[07:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> garfield: i'm upgrading to gutsy :)
[07:09] <_2> kubuntu
[07:09] <garfield> why?
[07:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> why not?
[07:10] <garfield> gusty???
[07:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> gutsy
[07:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> ubuntu 7.10
[07:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> next month's release?
[07:10] <garfield> it wasnt coming ou in october?
[07:10] <garfield> oh ok
[07:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> everyone...  pray for me.
[07:11] <garfield> Daisuke-Ido: why?
[07:11] <garfield> will there be a dif in the 7.10?
[07:11] <_2> inquisitive aren't we
[07:12] <_2> of course there will be changes.  it's a new version
[07:13] <garfield> it aint just like a normal upgrade?
[07:13] <_2> that's what it's all about     'quick change something so we can get the next release out' ...
[07:13] <serginho> another question. If I del the user and group owner's from webmail, who are the new owner? who can control the dir?
[07:13] <garfield> whats the dif beteewn feisty gusty?
[07:13] <_2> serginho no new owner
[07:13] <serginho> so, who can access and modify it?
[07:14] <_2> serginho you have to chown an inode before it has an new owner
[07:14] <serginho> nobody, root ?
[07:14] <_2> root
[07:14] <sumguy231> garfield: Read this and the other Tribe release announcements for a list of all new features: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5/Kubuntu
[07:14] <_2> there is a "nobody" accaunt btw.
[07:14] <_2> grep nobody /etc/passwd
[07:15] <garfield> sumguy231: wont it be the same desktop kde?
[07:15] <serginho> there are a way to restart without any process load?
[07:15] <serginho> or stop all proccess?
[07:16] <sumguy231> garfield: Gutsy will come with KDE 3.5.7, which I'm pretty sure is the version Feisty came with. It's still the newest verison.
[07:16] <sumguy231> garfield: But KDE4 Beta 1 will be installable from the repositories.
[07:17] <_2> serginho yeah    drop to a console  [alt] +[ctrl] +[f1]   login and issue   sudo kill -9 -1   will kill everything   then you can login again and issue    sudo init 3      to restart stuff (after you have done what ever)    or   sudo init 6 to restart the machine
[07:18] <serginho> :D I will try it
[07:18] <serginho> thank u guys, to try help me!
[07:18] <garfield> sumguy231: so its the same it just get little extra then like xp family to xp pro?
[07:18] <_2> see ya when you get back...
[07:18] <serginho> :ok
[07:18] <serginho> thank you again
[07:22] <garfield> sergusty is ubuntu?and feisty is kubuntu?
[07:22] <garfield> Ju^^^
[07:22] <_2> :S
[07:22] <Jucato> garfield: no. gutsy and feisty are just code/nicknames for the versions. they apply to all *buntus
[07:23] <Jucato> so there's Ubuntu Feisty, Kubuntu Feisty, Xubuntu Feisty, and Edubuntu Feisty. all of them version 7.04
[07:23] <garfield> so feity and gusty is kubuntu then?
[07:23] <garfield> what is ubuntu codename?
[07:23] <Jucato> they all share the same codenames
[07:24] <Jucato> Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Edubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn
[07:24] <garfield> oh ok
[07:24] <_2> ubuntu is warty/hoary/breezy/dapper/edgy/fiesty/<soon to be>gutsy
[07:24] <Jucato> _2: you know, I think this naming of releases creates more marketing confusion that *buntu naming....
[07:25] <_2> the release code is    year dot month   7.4  or 7.04 if you prefer is the current
[07:25] <garfield> so the 7.04 will be kde?
[07:25] <_2> Jucato concur
[07:25] <Jucato> ......
[07:25] <garfield> or that brown orange thing?
[07:25] <Jucato> Ubuntu is that brown orange thing
[07:25] <garfield> witch i dont like to see
[07:25] <Jucato> Kubuntu is the cool blue thing
[07:26] <Lynoure> garfield: you can make KDE any colour you want, same with Gnome
[07:26] <Jucato> :)
[07:26] <_2> Jucato and if you scroll up and read the trolling questions in order they do have a flow about them
[07:26] <Lynoure> No sense choosing based on the colours
[07:26] <_2> Lynoure mm uhh huh  there is
[07:27] <_2> k is blue and u is brown
[07:27] <Jucato> Lynoure: never underestimate the power of personal preference and first impressions :)
[07:27] <dwidmann> _2: http://kde-look.org
[07:27] <_2> s/false/first/
[07:27] <_2> :)
[07:27] <dwidmann> hehehe
[07:28] <Lynoure> _2: my kde 'is' a pile of autumn leaves, mostly grap and orange
[07:28] <Lynoure> s/grap/gray
[07:28] <garfield> so the one coming out 7.10 is the bleu?i install ubuntu my first linux installment it look like window vista EMTY WITH NOTHING IN IT.then i try kubuntu witch was very nice with a lot an option and crashes witch i like very much :-/ witch is the 7.10?
[07:29] <serginho> hi again! Nothing new!!
[07:29] <_2> Lynoure my system is gray on black    like most consoles   :)
[07:29] <Jucato> good luck. I'm off to do something more productive :)
[07:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> nothing blew up!
[07:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> :D
[07:29] <dwidmann> Jucato: like sleeping?
[07:29] <Jucato> like trying to make dolphin usable for you guys on gutsy :(
[07:29] <dwidmann> Jucato: or as Daisuke_Laptop just reminded us, blowing things up :P
[07:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> however...
[07:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> why am i not getting the new kernel?
[07:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm still running <IP_ADDRESS> :\
[07:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> should have gone to the new one :(
[07:30] <dwidmann> Jucato: who is you guys, because I'll still be using Konqueror ...
[07:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> maybe i have to select it in grub first.  maybe it's not in grub yet...
[07:31] <Lynoure> Daisuke_Laptop: Which version number does your 'new' one have? Gutsy or feisty?
[07:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> could you explain that a little better?
[07:32] <Lynoure> Daisuke_Laptop: because the one offered by upgrades couple of days ago was a <IP_ADDRESS> too
[07:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> gutsy should be 2.6.22
[07:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> and it's not 2.6.22
[07:32] <Lynoure> ask on #ubuntu+1?
[07:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's 2.6.20, and that makes any number of infant deities and/or prophets cry :)
[07:33] <Lynoure> Not on this channel =)
[07:33] <_2> !version
[07:33] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[07:33] <_2> !shell
[07:33] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> Ubuntu gutsy (development branch), and Lynoure, I would so appreciate it if you wouldn't talk to me like i was stupid.  thanks
[07:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm still going through the update/upgrade process...  nothing's set in stone yet :)
[07:35] <_2> Daisuke_Laptop will ya share that ?   :)
[07:35] <Lynoure> Daisuke_Laptop: Stop asking questions if you don't want honest answers. Honestly, there is more people that know about the development version kernel non-updatingness on the #ubuntu+1
[07:35] <Jucato> ahem...
[07:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> Lynoure: it was more of a rhetorical question to begin with.  i do that sometimes.  just because i vocalize it doesn't mean i'm asking to be coddled through the entire thing
[07:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> and btw: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-10-generic
[07:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> :)
[07:37] <Lynoure> Daisuke_Laptop: It's really hard to tell that when you ask what looks 100% identical to a direct question.  Maybe like he had been misinformed about what version the feisty update was supposed to give
[07:40] <_2> 2.4.27-2-k6
[07:40] <_2> my  /exec -o uname -r
[07:43] <Jucato> hm...
[07:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> i will say, everything is about 1000% clearer with gutsy and the new intel driver
[07:44] <_2> that was the intent wasn't it ?
[07:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> only issue i still have is the kernel updating...
[07:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> _2: part of it
[07:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> the other part was...  i was bored.
[07:44] <_2> oh
[07:44] <_2> i have done that.
[07:45] <_2> blank an hd just to have something to do
[07:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> apparently dell left some software here
[07:45] <_2> not my own of course
[07:45] <_2> :)
[07:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> "prepare for shipping to end user"
[07:46] <_2> was that a dell preloaded linux system ?
[07:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> yep
[07:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> hence why i said dell left some software here
[07:47] <_2> and you already wiped it...   had it what a month ?
[07:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> i didn't wipe it, i upgraded :)
[07:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> and less than a month
[07:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> got it August 13
[07:47] <_2> i was about to draw a comparison   but if you are going to get touchy again...
[07:48] <BetaTester> Hi all, hi stdin.
[07:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> nah
[07:48] <_2> ok.
[07:48] <_2> you kept that preloaded linux a little longer than i did the preloaded vesta   i wiped it the first day... :)
[07:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> believe me, if this thing had been shipped to me with windows, i would have wiped it day 1 :D
[07:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> ...  :)
[07:49] <_2> if you didn't have such a long nickname i might like you   :)
[07:50] <_2> lol
[07:50] <BetaTester> Did anybody tested the "data=writeback" on reiserfs or ext3? I read some posts this increses the preformance of the FS, but I know if this is stable?
[07:50] <_2> i know it's kept me from tab compleeting  all day
[07:50] <BetaTester> *don't know if this is stable
[07:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> dai<tab><tab>
[07:50] <_2> nope i get the list that way
[07:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> unless you have it set on dropdown
[07:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> in which case...
[07:51] <Pupeno> what's the name of the program tha shows the batery level of my notebook in the traybar? (it's gone)
[07:51] <_2> nope   bx   you are thinking client specific
[07:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> in kubuntu i'm used to seeing everyone here (except intelikey with his fear of X) use Konversation
[07:52] <intelikey> who did you think you were talking to  ?
[07:53] <intelikey> jsut cause i went binary   you didn't recognize me...
[07:54] <intelikey> pupeno  i can't answer that because of my phear of X
[07:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> intelikey: you know i'm only teasing you :P
[07:55] <Jucato> Pupeno: guidance-power-manager I think
[07:56] <intelikey> i'd answer that if i could tab complete without seeing [Daisuke_Laptop ]  [Daisuke-Ido    ]  [               ]  [               ]
[07:56] <garfield> pudding
[07:56] <intelikey> Sierra-X see
[07:56] <Sierra-X> this is probably the oldest nick i use
[07:56] <intelikey> Sierra-X i told you i would
[07:57] <garfield> Sierra-X: how did u change your name?
[07:57] <Sierra-X> garfield: use /nick newnickname
[07:57] <Sierra-X> but don't do it too often
[07:57] <Sierra-X> !nickspam
[07:57] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[07:58] <intelikey> yeah i keep two nicks registered.      err have had three but i normally don't need more than two so no need "hogin'" names that others could use
[07:58] <Pupeno> Jucato: thanks.
[07:59] <Jucato> sure
[07:59] <garfield> intelikey: i have no need for xp no more but the website i save in favorit on xp i want to see there names but how?what do i open it with to see the url?
[07:59] <Sierra-X> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39386
[07:59] <garfield> nick/ peace
[07:59] <intelikey> garfield what file ?
[08:00] <Sierra-X> there is no reason grub shouldn't be picking that up :\
[08:00] <intelikey> garfield or are you asking me where to find it in xp ???    that would be a waste of time.
[08:01] <Sierra-X> and that pastebin was in the wrong place :\
[08:01] <garfield> intelikey: i found my favorit website folder allready but what do i have to open it with to see the names of the websites?
[08:01] <intelikey> nah  i like that server
[08:01] <danielronin> can someone help me resize a partition and reallocate the space from inside kubuntu?
[08:02] <intelikey> Sierra-X sudo update-grub ?
[08:02] <Sierra-X> if that's all it is i'm going to stab myself in the arm (with something soft, of course)
[08:02] <michael_> ugh why is firefox so screwed up
[08:02] <danielronin> I'm trying to ready a partition for a BT2 install
[08:02] <intelikey> peace: try clicking it in konqueror
[08:02] <michael_> when i play youtube videos i hear this blipping and clicking in the audipo
[08:03] <michael_> but just playing mp3's in amarok are fine
[08:03] <Sierra-X> thank you
[08:03] <Sierra-X> be right back
[08:03] <intelikey> :)
[08:04] <peace> *how you do that
[08:04] <danielronin> can anyone help me with some partitioning info? it would be much appreciated
[08:04] <intelikey> peace: /me
[08:04] <peace> intelikey: konqueror dont recogniz the file
[08:04] <intelikey> !ask | danielronin
[08:04] <ubotu> danielronin: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:04] <peace> pease: me???
[08:05] <intelikey> /me does something   <<< peace
[08:05] <peace> oh
[08:05] <peace> lol
[08:05] <peace> my name change and i didnt even see that
[08:05] <peace> lol
[08:06] <intelikey> garfield you might want to check the server window of your client you may find that you are trying to use someone elses name
[08:07] <intelikey> or O_O
[08:07] <danielronin> intelikey: sorry for the poor syntax :( here's my q: i have a dual boot notebook with 2 ntfs partitions
[08:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> back to the old nick, i know
[08:07] <O_O> O_O
[08:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> but it worked
[08:07] <O_O> O_O/me
[08:07] <O_O> O_O /me
[08:07] <O_O> O_O/ me
[08:08] <intelikey> no the /me first then what ever
[08:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> reverse that, but this isn't really the place to play around with that :)
[08:08] <O_O> intelikey: nothing happen
[08:08] <danielronin> how can i see all the partitions and resize one to create free space for formatting?
[08:08] <O_O> ?
[08:08] <flaccid> danielronin: not really recommended. there is windows software that can do it however
[08:09] <flaccid> you can grow but only in certain situations and its unreliable
[08:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> i have one last thing to try tonight, and i am absolutely sure it will NOT work, and will probably kill X, so gnight, if i don't get through this successfully
[08:09] <danielronin> partition magic or something?
[08:09] <O_O> O_O WOW
[08:09] <flaccid> danielronin: yes and there is also a free one like that
[08:10] <intelikey> danielronin you sould probably first boot windows and scan the ntfs partitions for errors then deefrag them   you'll have to turn off the page/swap file for that,  then the install cd should allow you to resize them
[08:10] <O_O> intelikey: ??? how u do the thing with the blue star **
[08:10] <O_O> ?
[08:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm good.
[08:10] <intelikey> /me does it like this O_O
[08:10] <intelikey> /me does it like this O_O
[08:11] <danielronin> it's only a week old, it shouldn't be too fragmented, and do you mean the kbuntu install cd or the ASUS OEM vista recovery cd?
[08:11] <intelikey> yes the kubuntu install cd
[08:11] <O_O>  O_O does it like this
[08:12] <nicio> nicio: does it like this
[08:13] <intelikey> danielronin but window probably write to the very end of the partition if its using a paging file and that may keep you from resizing the ntfs partition    so if you follow those steps it should work  ^%
[08:13] <danielronin> ok, so if i use that to modify the partition table, how do i exit it cleanly (so i can install the OS once i've made space)?
[08:13] <nicio> intelikey: when u speek to someone its tab u does hit to get there name insted of riten it?
[08:14] <intelikey> danielronin exit which cleanly ?
[08:15] <intelikey> nicio yes   ni[tab]    but you may get NickPresta instead ... :)
[08:15] <intelikey> int[tab]   will finish my name
[08:15] <danielronin> the shell in the kubuntu live CD,but more importantly, how do i point GURB at the newly installed image?
[08:16] <nicio> intelikey: yea but i got 2 dots at the end insted of the >
[08:16] <intelikey> shell in the live CD ????    i'm trying to catch up with you danielronin
[08:16] <danielronin> it's a slack based OS, and it uses LILO (but i'm not going to let it make a new MBR
[08:17] <danielronin> isn't there a CLI you can use from the kubuntu install CD?
[08:17] <intelikey> oh you are not installing form a ubuntu live CD  you are only going to do the partition work   ok i'm with you now.
[08:17] <intelikey> use the gparted live cd   it's made for that
[08:18] <danielronin> for resizing partitions?
[08:18] <intelikey> yep
[08:19] <intelikey> there maybe a better place to look  but   http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[08:20] <dds> how can I run the migration assistant from an already running system? I've tried running it via ubiquity but it seems to want to remake my filesystems...
[08:20] <danielronin> is there a way to use the kubuntu install image or any CLI utils that i can use from a konsole inside my OS (kub fiesty)?
[08:21] <danielronin> to resize the partition...i don't want to d
[08:21] <dds> danielronin: I don't quite understand. If you already have a running system, you can install ubiquity and use its partition manager.
[08:21] <danielronin> ownload anything huge just to do this one task
[08:21] <intelikey> danielronin if you umount all fs's except the system  you can install qtparted in the installed kubuntu and do it from there
[08:22] <intelikey> that gparted live CD is only 50m
[08:22] <intelikey> and it's graphical
[08:22] <danielronin> intelikey: thanks! that's what i needed to know, i'm still fairly green to 'nix, but loving more every day
[08:22] <dds> I've got a windowsxp backup on USB disk that I want to migrate settings from into an already running system.
[08:23] <dds> (freshly installed, but it's a slow machine; I had to install from the alternative disk and it didn't offer the migration assistant)
[08:24] <runlevelten> To a kubuntu system?
[08:24] <flaccid> can you resize in qtparted/gtparted? i've heard if you can it always fail
[08:24] <dds> runlevelten: yes
[08:25] <dds> intelikey: well, in essence it is just a copy operation, but it's a lot of various locations and I don't know crap about windows, I'm trying to help a friend out.
[08:25] <runlevelten> Funnily enough I believe there's some app centered around the whole "migration" thing, intelikey
[08:25] <intelikey> flaccid you can.   but if it's a windows fs you need to turn off pagefile and scandisk/defrag first
[08:25] <dds> right, it's the migration-assistant in ubiquity, but I want to run it independently of ubiquity.
[08:25] <flaccid> ah ok
[08:26] <runlevelten> dds: There is an app or two under development, but lots of apps (browsers, mail clients etc) that will have an import option.
[08:26] <runlevelten> !migration
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about migration - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <dds> I've been reading the python source and it's simple enough, but I can't find a safe-way to launch it without first recreating my filesystems (the step right before it in ubiquity) that I can't skip and I can't force it to just use the existing ones.
[08:26] <dds> runlevelten: in kubuntu, most apps don't have an import option to grab the settings from a mounted ntfs partition.
[08:27] <runlevelten> Whether it's NTFS makes no difference at all. :)
[08:27] <dds> runlevelten: what I mean is to grab it from a partition; kubuntu wants you to know the details
[08:28] <dds> they don't import from windows
[08:28] <dds> hence why the ubuntu migration-assistant is a relatively big deal
[08:28] <dds> evolution can import from outlook, that's about it
[08:28] <flaccid> opera can import lots
[08:28] <dds> but as you can see, http://ftp.cica.es/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/migration-assistant/ , it's only udebs, it doesn't exist independently of the installer
[08:29] <intelikey> mozillar imports some
[08:29] <runlevelten> kmail can import settings, firefox, opera, konqueror, more of kontact etc.
[08:29] <dds> there is no definitive word on whether it can be used out of the installer, so I'm asking here
[08:29] <runlevelten> Right.
[08:30] <dds> runlevelten, intelikey: that's fine and good, and you're right, but this program does quite a bit more. You should take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigrationAssistance to get an idea of what it does
[08:30] <intelikey> dds all i know is even if it can   i probably wouldn't...     sorry i'm not more helpful on that
[08:30] <dds> ok, well like I said, take a look at the link
[08:33] <intelikey> dds the page says      "A stand-alone desktop application..."
[08:35] <dds> intelikey: which page?
[08:35] <dds> intelikey: where?
[08:35] <dds> the wiki page/
[08:36] <intelikey> the one you posted  ^
[08:37] <dds> I posted two links
[08:38] <dds> the wiki page I guess
[08:38] <dds> ah right under the design heading
[08:38] <dds> right
[08:38] <dds> well, the thing is, it isn't a standalone application design, it's a module for ubquity
[08:38] <dds> ubiquity
[08:38] <dds> so
[08:39] <dds> the question then, is can I make ubiquity present me that one module and not force recreating my filesystems?
[08:40] <navets_> hey if anyone could take a look at my website and tell me how to improve, I would really appreciate it. http://navetz.com
[08:40] <intelikey> dds you can run ubiquity and select manual partitioning and make no changes  yes.
[08:40] <dds> intelikey: no
[08:40] <intelikey> and why not ?
[08:40] <dds> intelikey: that still doesn't do it
[08:41] <dds> intelikey: ubiquity wants to recreate the filesystems; if you attempt to tell it that yes, my existing / is the / I want to use and to not format it, it says it can't use it.
[08:41] <dds> try it yourself
[08:41] <dds> install the ubiquity package and try to get that far in the installer
[08:41] <danielronin> is there a KDE equivalent to gparted?
[08:41] <intelikey> i won't even run ubiquity to install   why would i run it for "fun" ...
[08:42] <intelikey> danielronin qtparted
[08:42] <dds> intelikey: so you don't sound like a horses ass when you make false statements? ;)
[08:43] <dds> argh, and apparently the migration tools don't handle utf-8 correctly
[08:43] <dds> (the Windows XP username of the user I want to migrate is $B$J$*$_(B)
[08:43] <intelikey> i can see where that would fail yes.
[08:44] <intelikey> try  \$B\$J\$\*\$_\(B\)
[08:44] <intelikey> or single quote it
[08:45] <spamhead> Hello everyone
[08:47] <winbond> how  is kde4 different than kde3 besides the looks?
[08:47] <intelikey> dds i'm not going to install that.   to many deps.  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39387
[08:48] <intelikey> winbond it's either alpha or early beta  ???
[08:48] <intelikey> that's a big differance
[08:49] <flaccid> winbond: you can check all that out on the kde site
[08:49] <flaccid> !kde4
[08:49] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Beta 1 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php>.
[08:49] <flaccid> or there
[08:49] <spamhead> Hey there all I ahve a question, I'm kind of new to linux, (this is my first install).  I want to put it on my notebook, but I have 2 questions, 1 how is the wifi support for Ubuntu, and 2) is it possible to write c# in linux and have it compile?
[08:51] <khaije1> can python code completion be added to kdevelop?
[08:51] <intelikey> spamhead the last one first.      linux kinda has one of the best compilers there is...    and there is a couple of links i'll post for you for the first question
[08:51] <intelikey> !hardware | spamhead
[08:51] <lerio> gudday guys pls help i need to know if is it possible to install kubuntu 7.04 in p3 600mhz with 256mb ram
[08:51] <ubotu> spamhead: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:51] <intelikey> !wifi | spamhead
[08:51] <ubotu> spamhead: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:52] <Jucato> khaije1: I think that's in the works already. might want to ask in #kdevelop or you might want to try Eric3
[08:52] <intelikey> lerio sure
[08:52] <spamhead> it's a D420 from Dell. it's got an intel wifi card
[08:52] <lerio> but it cant run beryl?
[08:53] <lerio> or barely launches
[08:53] <intelikey> lerio beryl might be pushing it some...
[08:53] <spamhead> beryl? or should I google it?
[08:53] <khaije1> hi Jucato, i'll check in that channel, eric3 runs *super* slow for me
[08:54] <intelikey> i'm not sure what the threshold is for berly  probably about 900mhz for any kind of smotheness   just a guess
[08:54] <lerio> intelikey, wht kubuntu chat mesenger supports voice and video
[08:54] <intelikey> !gaim
[08:54] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[08:54] <intelikey> !kopete
[08:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:55] <lerio> does kopete support voice and video chats?
[08:55] <Jucato> khaije1: Python Support for KDevelop 4 was one of the Google Summer of Code projects: http://code.google.com/soc/2007/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=634886428E6FDB18 http://behindkde.org/people/soc2007-one/
[08:55] <intelikey> Jucato might know
[08:55] <khaije1> Jucato: sweet thx!
[08:55] <Jucato> I don't use kopete that much..
[08:55] <Jucato> I just turn it on and forget that it's running...
[08:55] <intelikey> i don't use it at all
[08:56] <Jucato> that is until someone buzzes me...
[08:56] <Jucato> you don't use graphical apps. period :P
[08:56] <Jucato> unless ASCII art is your perverted notion of graphics :)
[08:56] <intelikey> i beg to differ!   Y just last week i started X and ummm   can't remember why...
[08:57] <intelikey> but i do watch vidios in vlc sometimes      in the console
[08:57] <Jucato> ascii art :)
[08:57] <intelikey> no
[08:58] <intelikey> svgalibs
[08:58] <Jucato> ascii video ftw!
[08:58] <intelikey> careful  i'll go back to trollin'
[08:58] <intelikey> :)
[08:59] <Jucato> that's what I was hoping you'd do... I'm going afk, and those who will be here to take over are less tolerant than I am :P
[08:59] <intelikey> you mean Tm_T ?   heh no.
[08:59] <intelikey> or maybe stdin ?    :)))
[09:00] <spamhead> I be trollin' they be hatin'
[09:00] <stdin> man, I'm pinged more than google today
[09:00] <intelikey> it seems like it's Jucato that always yells OT at me...
[09:01] <intelikey> stdin lol
[09:01] <intelikey> sorry about that.   i guess you have it beeping at you ?
[09:01] <stdin> yeah, it's ok now tho, i'm officially /back :)
[09:02] <intelikey> stdin (((<intelikey> careful  i'll go back to trollin'<Jucato> that's what I was hoping you'd do... I'm going afk, and those who will be here to take over are less tolerant than I am :P )))
[09:02] <spamhead> Okay I just google'd it and Beryl is friggin' cool!
[09:03] <intelikey> spamhead so i hear...
[09:03] <stdin> intelikey: I'll type in the first part of my kick command, just in case :p
[09:03] <intelikey> heh
[09:03] <intelikey> why ?
[09:03] <stdin> saves time
[09:03] <intelikey> for what ?
[09:03] <spamhead> because I'm a n00b
[09:03] <stdin> kicking, what else :)
[09:04] <intelikey> who ?
[09:04] <intelikey> :)
[09:04] <stdin> everyone... I won't get pinged then
[09:04] <intelikey> when ?
[09:04] <spamhead> congrats flaccid!
[09:04] <intelikey> coool
[09:05] <flaccid> thanks very much
[09:05] <lerio> guys what is the most stable version of ubuntu/kubuntu
[09:05] <flaccid> intelikey: guess what im doing for double my current salary?
[09:05] <AscendedDaniel> How do I set up surround sound? I found a few howtos for GNOME, but not many just for kubuntu.
[09:05] <spamhead> Feisty Fawn
[09:05] <lerio> feisty fawn?
[09:05] <flaccid> intelikey: packaging windows software
[09:05] <intelikey> flaccid i wouldn't have a clue ?
[09:05] <flaccid> hilarious!
[09:05] <intelikey> flaccid and you admit it ?
[09:05] <spamhead> 7.04 is the latest version
[09:06] <lerio> spamhead, feisty fawn?
[09:06] <dedi> my usb harddisks dont automount anymore. what could that be?
[09:06] <spamhead> [02:06]  <intelikey> flaccid and you admit it ? <--- not that there's ANYTHING wrong with that
[09:06] <flaccid> intelikey: yerp. less responsibility, point and click job technically and twice the money im on atm. so yeah good money to point and click lol
[09:07] <flaccid> going to try to get them to support ubuntu/linux however but yeah. i'll get off the offtopic cya guys a bit later
[09:07] <intelikey> spamhead depends on perspective
[09:08] <flaccid> gotta run, cyas later
[09:08] <spamhead> intelikey well since I don't really want him to be rigid OR flaccid in my company...
[09:09] <spamhead> Yeah I need to make like a tree and head out too
[09:09] <intelikey> :)
[09:10] <spamhead> PEACE OUT!
[09:11] <intelikey> so he made like a baby and pulled up roots
[09:18] <Project_K> how do i get mp3 files to work... amarok says that it does not support the file format
[09:18] <intelikey> !mp3
[09:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:19] <dedi> !usb
[09:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:19] <danielronin> intelikey: can you help me with some qtparted issues?
[09:20] <intelikey> danielronin maybe