[12:00] <Epod69> anyone know why nvidia would just stop working?
[12:00] <LinuxJones> Snippy, ok run gstreamer-properties and try selecting alsa from the dropdown list for output device then hit test to see if you get sound.
[12:00] <Epod69> modprobe nvidia doesnt work either
[12:01] <LinuxJones> Epod69, did you upgrade a kernel ?
[12:01] <Snippy> failed to construct pipeline error
[12:01] <BTJustice> nickrud: http://pastebin.ca/19463
[12:01] <LinuxJones> Epod69, what was selected before ?
[12:01] <Epod69> yea, but i believe i was using the same kernel I am now
[12:01] <Epod69> should i remove hte old kernel and reinstall nvidia?
[12:01] <Epod69> the*
[12:01] <Snippy> maybe cuz the guy b4 told me to unselect "enable sound server"
[12:01] <nickrud> BTJustice, you have no sound :)
[12:01] <LinuxJones> snippy sorry ^^ was for you.
[12:02] <Epod69> snippy, sound server doesnt matter when using alsa
[12:02] <BTJustice> nickrud: I figured.  What do I need ot do?
[12:02] <Snippy> np LinuxJones, ALSA was selected before.. I tried esd and all the others.. no luck at all
[12:03] <LinuxJones> Snippy, how many soundcards do you have ?
[12:03] <segfault2k> someone knows how to install enlightenment e17 on ubuntu?
[12:03] <eloy> ubuntu-es
[12:04] <Snippy> LinuxJones, I have 1 onboard soundcard.. but when I installed ubuntu.. hmm.. I had my USB Headset plugged in.. does this matter?
[12:04] <nickrud> BTJustice, snd-emu10k1 should have loaded, if lspci is correct
[12:04] <weejamer> does anyone know why i cant play mp3's from a default install
[12:04] <LinuxJones> Snippy, nope
[12:04] <Snippy> LinuxJones.. I was hoping so..
[12:05] <SeanRoth> segfalut2k: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=287220#post287220
[12:05] <nickrud> I don't have a clue why hotplug did not see that card and load, that's where I would look for bug reports
[12:05] <SeanRoth> segfault2k*
[12:05] <weejamer> does anyone know why i cant play mp3's from a default install
[12:05] <Snippy> I always had problems with sound on other distris years b4.. but I never installed linux on THIS rig.. I always was able to fix the sound.. except this time.. so strange
[12:05] <BTJustice> nickrud: http://pastebin.ca/19464
[12:05] <Snippy> but I will now try  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=19639&postcount=8  hope this helps
[12:06] <Epod69> when I go to install nvidia-glx it wants me to install kernel-image-386 as well..can I not use nvidia with the 686 kernel image?
[12:06] <LinuxJones> Epod69, yeah install the 686 kernel first
[12:06] <weejamer> I have 2 soundcards too snippy 1 onboard and 1 USB it works fine other than my USB speakers don't work
[12:06] <Epod69> LinuxJones, i have the 686 already installed and in use
[12:07] <LinuxJones> Epod69, once you've booted into the kernel you can then install nvidia drivers
[12:07] <weejamer> does anyone know why i cant play mp3's from a default install
[12:07] <nickrud> I'd try to figure out what the conexant unknown device 8801 was, and disable in bios. (Step one)
[12:07] <LinuxJones> Epod69, are you sure your in the 686 kernel ?
[12:07] <LinuxJones> weejamer, mp3 support isn't included in Ubuntu by default
[12:07] <Epod69> linuxjones, yes
[12:07] <weejamer> can i install the codec
[12:07] <SeanRoth> Yeah.
[12:08] <Burgundavia> !mp3
[12:08] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[12:08] <Burgundavia> weejamer, ^
[12:08] <Epod69> is all i need linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 and linux-image-686 ?
[12:09] <weejamer> yes burgundavia?
[12:09] <Epod69> and what is the restricted linux-686 for?
[12:09] <weejamer> thanx ubotu
[12:09] <Burgundavia> weejamer, see the link ubotu posted
[12:09] <LinuxJones> Epod69, I am looking at the dependencies for nvidia-glx but don't see any reference to the 386 kernel. Have you upgraded your system since installing ?
[12:09] <Snippy> weejamer, well nothing works here.. :(
[12:09] <crashd> hmm
[12:10] <Epod69> LinuxJones, yes, ill do it again though, maybe I should restart so that the only kernel to select is the 686 one
[12:10] <Snippy> brb guys.. have to restart.. wish me luck ;)
[12:10] <crashd> trying to configure wifi, iwconfig throws up "Rx: invalid nwid"
[12:10] <nickrud> BTJustice, does that ring any bells?
[12:10] <crashd> which the WiFiTroubleshooting reckons is wrong essid
[12:10] <BTJustice> nickrud: Des what ring any bells?
[12:10] <LinuxJones> Epod69, yeah upgrade then re-boot into the 686 kernel, you should be ok from then on.
[12:10] <Epod69> k
[12:10] <Epod69> brb
[12:11] <crashd> any ideas?
[12:11] <nickrud> conflicts between sound cards; do you have an onboard sound chip you can disable?
[12:11] <BTJustice> nickrud: Oh.  The Conexant?  I believe that is my modem.
[12:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know how to install realplayer?
[12:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> the directions suck
[12:11] <nickrud> BTJustice, which, the communication or multimedia on?
[12:11] <McScruff> lo i mounted an iso image, how do i unmount it?
[12:11] <nickrud> *one
[12:11] <BTJustice> nickrud: Communication
[12:12] <nickrud> BTJustice, so, the multimedia one is the one I'd check
[12:13] <BTJustice> nickrud: The multimedia one is part of my MSI TV Card
[12:14] <Spudchat> anyone know where i could find the driver for my dell's onboard speakers?
[12:15] <Spudchat> it doesnt allow me to hear sound in some games for linux
[12:15] <Epod69> im in the 686 kernel with no other kernel installed, and nvidia-glx still needs the 386 kernel to be installed =(
[12:15] <nickrud> BTJustice, k,
[12:15] <LokeDK> how do i use WPA-PSK?
[12:15] <BTJustice> Looks like it is a sound problem day in the channel
[12:16] <LokeDK> or set it up
[12:16] <Joose^> hi
[12:17] <Epod69> anyone else using the 686 kernel with nvidia ?
[12:19] <nickrud> BTJustice, well, let's just do it. sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1
[12:20] <nickrud> where o where is crimson when you need him :)
[12:20] <BTJustice> nickrud: I enter that.  Now what?
[12:21] <nickrud> BTJustice, do the lsmod | grep snd again. you should have something like Snippy flooded :)
[12:21] <Firebird> Hi
[12:21] <Snippy> heh I'm back
[12:23] <SeanRoth> How do I view hidden files in the terminal?
[12:23] <nickrud> SeanRoth, ls -a
[12:23] <SeanRoth> Thanks.
[12:23] <Snippy> so guys.. still no luck.. :(
[12:23] <Spudchat> well how would i stop any device that is using my audio device?
[12:23] <funkyHat> are the ubuntu repository servers still playing up for everyone else?
[12:23] <BTJustice> nickrud: http://pastebin.ca/19466
[12:23] <nickrud> sound sucks right now, although it's better :)
[12:23] <Spudchat> sorry any program that is using the device?
[12:24] <nickrud> BTJustice, success! System->preferences->Multmedia selector: audio sink to alsa, and test
[12:26] <dbernar1> funkyHat: ya, they play up for me, whatever playing up means.
[12:26] <funkyHat> heh, playing up = not working properly
[12:27] <dbernar1> which ones, funkyHat ?
[12:27] <BTJustice> nickrud: Is that the same thing as Control Center > Sound & Multimedia > SOund System?
[12:27] <nickrud> BTJustice, kde?
[12:28] <funkyHat> security.ubuntu.com
[12:28] <BTJustice> yes
[12:28] <szaz> anyone about with madwifi experience?
[12:28] <bimberi> Snippy: was the reboot to try the acpi_irq_isa=7 thing?
[12:28] <nickrud> BTJustice, if you have a soundblaster, cat /dev/urandom will make noise, if your sound is working
[12:28] <nickrud> BTJustice, heh
[12:28] <Snippy> bimberi, yes
[12:29] <Snippy> bimberi, no luck at all
[12:29] <nickrud> BTJustice, if you have a soundblaster, cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp will make noise, if your sound is working
[12:29] <bimberi> Snippy: k - pity :(
[12:29] <nickrud> fingers, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[12:29] <Snippy> ok guys, right now, I tried just everything.. but NOTHING worked.. not even a little *bip* out of the speakers..
[12:29] <Snippy> now lemme check if the speakers are in the right hole O_O
[12:30] <BTJustice> nickrud: nothing
[12:30] <Snippy> oh my..
[12:30] <Snippy> now I'm feeling like a real idiot
[12:30] <Snippy> REALLY
[12:30] <gfxstyler> hi
[12:30] <nickrud> hm, i don't have dmix working, so I can't test that last line. Was it right?
[12:31] <dbernar1> funkyHat: I dont use ubuntu...well, ask someone else, what is it not doing for you?
[12:31] <BTJustice> nickrud: Do I need ot reboot?
[12:31] <gfxstyler> i got some network problems
[12:31] <nickrud> BTJustice, no.
[12:31] <Snippy> oh my god.. they werent in ANY hole..
[12:31] <Snippy> >______<
[12:31] <ubuntu> he said hole
[12:31] <bimberi> Snippy, Snippy, Snippy :)
[12:31] <JoRock> is there any difference between the WEP and WEP 40/128 that I need to add to my /etc/network/interfaces file?
[12:31] <gfxstyler> i have to type this "route add default gw ....." stuff every time i reboot my computer, it wont save my settings
[12:31] <Snippy> omg no that cant beee..
[12:32] <nickrud> I haven't used kde recently enough to know what to use to test sound properly.
[12:32] <Snippy> I DID not took em out
[12:32] <NightRider> Hmmh
[12:32] <piksi> possible to be able to install ubuntu 5.04 but use newer kernel?
[12:32] <Snippy> >_< I'm really feeling like an idiot.. wasting you guys's time..
[12:32] <Snippy> oh my
[12:32] <ubuntu> oh me oh my
[12:32] <mjr> piksi, you can install any kenrel you like afterwards, just won't be supported
[12:32] <ompaul> piksi, yes, but really why would you do that, because it would not really be Ubuntu anymore :)
[12:32] <Snippy> sound is .. working
[12:32] <Snippy> BUUUUUT somehow very bad quality
[12:32] <ubuntu> then listen up
[12:32] <NightRider> How can I manage windows's hard disks in ubuntu?
[12:32] <Snippy> chopping etc
[12:33] <funkyHat> dbernar1, i get 'Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)' for 2 of the repositories, and 'This HTTP server has broken range support [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] ' for the other one
[12:33] <NightRider> I would like to copy some files
[12:33] <segfault2k> SeanRoth:
[12:33] <SeanRoth> Yeah?
[12:33] <segfault2k> do yun know how to istnall e17 ?
[12:33] <Chaotic_Reality> NightRider, you could use samba if it's a different computer.
[12:33] <segfault2k> *you *install
[12:33] <NightRider> No, the same pc
[12:33] <ubuntu> emerge
[12:33] <segfault2k> mount
[12:33] <ubuntu> unite
[12:34] <ubuntu> umount
[12:34] <NightRider> I have windows installed on an ntfs drive and ubuntu on second drive
[12:34] <szaz> i take it theres still noone about who knows antthing about wifi and madwifi drivers?
[12:34] <piksi> mjr, ompaul: my problem is that both debian sarge and ubuntu 5.04 fail at install tring to detect my sata hdd and atapi over sata dvd (this is a new laptop) BUT knoppix 4.0 does recognize them because it has newer kernel afaik
[12:34] <ixion^^> hi, which manual should I be looking at I've tried ifconfig and interfaces but cant see how to turn promiscuous mode on for an interface?
[12:34] <szaz> anyone!!!
[12:34] <szaz> please!!!
[12:34] <BTJustice> nickrud: Control Center > Sound & Multimedia > Sound System has a test button.  Selecting ALSA does nothing.
[12:34] <SeanRoth> segfault2k: Hold on, one second.
[12:34] <piksi> mjr,ompaul : so even installing fails immediately at detection, no partitions found and no cdrom found
[12:34] <ompaul> piksi, that is a reasonable reason :)
[12:35] <ubuntu> i keep trying to install gentoo, but i get lost in the manual then have to start over
[12:35] <Snippy> how can I fix this bad sound ? o_O
[12:35] <NightRider> Hmh
[12:35] <ompaul> piksi, however check if the relevant module is in the source for your existing kernel
[12:35] <ubuntu> maybe i had too much beer waiting for the stage three tarball to unload
[12:35] <NightRider> How do I use umount?
[12:35] <Chaotic_Reality> NightRider, I believe you can mount the ntfs partition, but I am not sure how off the top of my head.
[12:35] <NightRider> Hmhm
[12:35] <NightRider> Well
[12:36] <johanbr> ixion^^: From ifconfig manpage: "promisc    Enable or disable the promiscuous mode of an interface"
[12:36] <piksi> ompaul: there were some missing
[12:36] <Snippy> errrr brb
[12:36] <NightRider> I only need to read data from there, I'm not willing to write anything, if that help
[12:36] <NightRider> s
[12:36] <piksi> ompaul: i tried loading with insmod and checked with modprobe during the install
[12:36] <Pega> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#gettingstarted there is also how to mount ntfs read only
[12:36] <piksi> ompaul: didnt' help, some are apparently missing
[12:36] <Pega> search the page with ntfs and the firs that comes out
[12:36] <ixion^^> hmm maybe I was spelling it wrong
[12:36] <piksi> ompaul: so i guess i need ubuntu install with newer/different kernel than current, i was hoping that the installation was possible from knoppix (which i have installed)
[12:37] <ompaul> piksi, so then it is install a new kernel and live with it until Ubuntu catches up :)
[12:37] <segfault2k> SeanRoth: thanks
[12:37] <ubuntu> does anyone know how to not get lost in the manual of Gentoo while trying to install it from a live cd?
[12:38] <Pega> NightRider, did you notice my message? Just to make sure... :P
[12:38] <SeanRoth> segfault2k: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105 There's a howto on installing E17.
[12:38] <NightRider> Yes thanks for that
[12:39] <Pega> k, np
[12:39] <ixion^^> johanbr, any chance you know what the syntax for it is, I'm trying ifconfig eth0 promisc and ifconfig eth0 promisc but I'm not convinced anything is happening, no output in dmesg
[12:40] <ubuntu> goodbye
[12:40] <gfxstyler> can someone tell me in which file the ip adress and gateway adress is stored?
[12:40] <ixion^^> try /etc/network/interfaces
[12:40] <ixion^^> thats the config, not sure what your question is tbh
[12:41] <gfxstyler> i have to add the default gateway adress everytime i reboot the computer and that sucks badly
[12:41] <ixion^^> yeh stick it in there
[12:41] <ixion^^> just type gateway x.x.x.x
[12:41] <ixion^^> on the correct interface
[12:41] <gfxstyler> okay i'll do it
[12:42] <ixion^^> then, route del default gw x.x.x.x
[12:42] <ixion^^> to remove the route
[12:42] <ixion^^> then ifdown eth0
[12:42] <ixion^^> and ifup eth0
[12:42] <ixion^^> and then see if you can reach an external IP
[12:42] <crashd> how do you un-modprobe something
[12:42] <crashd> to take that particular driver out ?
[12:42] <brettcar> crashd: rmmod
[12:42] <nickrud> crashd, rmmod <module>, if it's set up right
[12:42] <crashd> k, cool
[12:42] <piksi> ompaul: well, thanks anyway :-)
[12:43] <segfault2k> SeanRoth: yeah, i followed that howto, but my system install e16
[12:43] <gfxstyler> im testing it out, see you later :) thanks
[12:43] <segfault2k> i've edited the apt preferences
[12:43] <segfault2k> but i dont know what happen
[12:43] <crashd> eurgh
[12:43] <crashd> wifi is giving me a headache
[12:43] <weejamer> does anyone know why i cant play mp3's from a default install
[12:44] <ixion^^> because its illigal to supply the codecs with the standard install
[12:44] <nickrud> crashd, the kernel does not guarantee you can rmmod an installed module, but it does work often
[12:44] <mjr> weejamer, you can thank software patents for that
[12:44] <ixion^^> crashd, what wifi card? or more importantly, what chipset
[12:44] <weejamer> so where do i get the codec ixion^^
[12:44] <ixion^^> universe/multiverse
[12:44] <crashd> ixion^^: well, ubuntu reports it as admtek 8211
[12:45] <weejamer> ???
[12:45] <bimberi> !restricted
[12:45] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:45] <bimberi> weejamer: ^^^
[12:45] <ixion^^> crashd, the best way to troublshoot wifi problems is to determine the chipset and then google for ubuntu "chipset"
[12:45] <airmikey> what plugin do i need for firefox to see video
[12:45] <endee> hey . anyone can help me how to intall alsa drivers on my laptop on ubuntu ?
[12:45] <ixion^^> probably the vlc one airmikey
[12:46] <SeanRoth> segfault2k: Did you follow every step?
[12:46] <crashd> ooh
[12:46] <nickrud> airmikey, mozilla-mplayer works also
[12:46] <crashd> i think ive got it working with ndiswrapper
[12:46] <crashd> it suddenly lit up like a christmas tree
[12:46] <ixion^^> ndissrapper is evil, but it is easier :)
[12:46] <crashd> aye
[12:46] <crashd> i tried the opensource 8211 driver
[12:46] <crashd> but it's screwed
[12:47] <airmikey> cool...thx guys
[12:47] <ixion^^> do ndiswrapper --list
[12:47] <ixion^^> shud tell you the status of the hardware
[12:48] <JoRock> when you are using a wep password do you have to specify the protocal in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:48] <Snippy> ok guys
[12:48] <Snippy> somehow.. it works fine now with my sound.. playing a mp3 atm
[12:48] <Snippy> what a magic
[12:48] <crashd> ahar
[12:48] <crashd> it works now :]
[12:48] <Snippy> god I'm feeling so bad..
[12:48] <nickrud> lol, Snippy don't
[12:49] <nickrud> it's magic, you're right
[12:49] <Firebird> Snippy, feeling bad 'coz it works now ?
[12:49] <Snippy> but the speaker.. dude the speakeeeers wherent plugged in..
[12:49] <dbernar1> No, he is just copying queen.
[12:49] <Snippy> -h
[12:49] <nickrud> Snippy, BTJustice was right :)
[12:49] <Snippy> yeah..
[12:49] <Snippy> haha..
[12:49] <nickrud> been there, as I said ;P
[12:50] <Snippy> but hey, atleaaast I've got another problem..
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[12:50] <Snippy> playing mp3, no sound from other apps.. I know about this.. and I read somewhere how to fix it but dont remember :(
[12:50] <dbernar1> unavaible...
[12:51] <nickrud> !sound
[12:51] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[12:51] <^thehatsrule^> Added<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to ignore list
[12:51] <logical_mark> hey can anyone help me out for a sec. I am new to linux and have a few questions
[12:51] <Firebird> Snippy, did you install sox and all these nifty codecs ?
[12:52] <dbernar1> ;)
[12:52] <Snippy> hey.. only xmms works now.. nothing else gives sound
[12:52] <ixion^^> logical_mark, just ask
[12:52] <Snippy> no firebird
[12:52] <Firebird> Snippy, that would be a good start
[12:52] <Chromance> Anyone know where I Can find the hardware support list for Ubunutu? can't seem to find it
[12:52] <Firebird> it's in the "first step install doc"
[12:52] <segfault2k> [18:46]  <SeanRoth> segfault2k: Did you follow every step? <- yeah
[12:52] <Snippy> oh..
[12:53] <logical_mark> lol - well I just started messing with linux last week and so far the best distro I have found is ubuntu b/c it recognizes ALL my hardware without any problems. My biggest problem is installing programs. Mostly b/c I dont know how.
[12:53] <Snippy> what do they do, firebird?
[12:53] <Firebird> make it available for the system to play all sorts of sounds
[12:53] <nickrud> Chromance, you might start at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=hardware&titlesearch=Titles
[12:53] <logical_mark> I tried to install a .deb package of skype but that when I click on it in my Menu -> Internet -> Skype, nothing happens
[12:53] <joe__> logical_mark, ubuntuguide.org is really good
[12:54] <logical_mark> I will check it out thanks joe_
[12:54] <ixion^^> logical_mark, could you not find a package in teh universe/multiverse sources?
[12:54] <nickrud> heh, ubuntuguide, it's getting edited?
[12:54] <ixion^^> synaptic
[12:54] <Snippy> firebird:  I see.. where is the doc located?
[12:54] <logical_mark> lol,  I have no clue what the universe/multiverse sources are
[12:54] <avanspronsen> !ubuntuguide
[12:54] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:54] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, how can I find out what temperature my CPU is right now?
[12:55] <logical_mark> I tried synaptic but it dosnt have skype or limiewire
[12:55] <Firebird> Snippy, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[12:55] <nickrud> !tell logical_mark about components
[12:55] <logical_mark> or really anything i am looking for
[12:55] <McScruff> what is mcopy, i need it but dont have it :(
[12:55] <Firebird> Snippy, it might be worth a try
[12:55] <tiglionabbit> logical_mark: you can get skype from it's own repository.  Go to the skype webpage
[12:55] <Snippy> Firebird, lets hope ;)
[12:55] <tiglionabbit> http://skype.com
[12:56] <logical_mark> tiglionabbit, this is all I find there http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/
[12:56] <logical_mark> should I be looking somewhere else
[12:56] <avanspronsen> logical_mark: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto
[12:56] <Firebird> tiglionabbit, install lm-sensors, run sensors-detect and then /etc/init.d/modutils depmod -a, and check in any temperature application
[12:56] <logical_mark> thanks avans
[12:56] <avanspronsen> logical_mark: np
[12:56] <Snippy> firebird, ok doing this now, brb :)
[12:56] <Firebird> Snippy, K
[12:56] <ixion^^> logical_mark, before you bother with any of that find out what universe and multiverse are
[12:57] <ixion^^> just google ubuntu multiverse
[12:57] <logical_mark> I'll google it now
[12:57] <avanspronsen> logical_mark: you should always have a look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation first if you have questions
[12:57] <ixion^^> or universe will probably give you better results
[12:57] <hybrid_goth> is there a knofabulator or dashboard equal for Linux?
[12:57] <joe__> is there a window manager that works the way the Mac menu bar works (i.e. when i scroll my mouse over the icons they get bigger and easy to see)
[12:57] <Firebird> Snippy, to avoid having to type your password for each sudo.... do sudo -s -H
[12:57] <ixion^^> basically, those sources have crap loads of software
[12:57] <avanspronsen> hybrid_goth: gDesklets
[12:57] <tiglionabbit> logical_mark: oh I forgot, it's in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto
[12:57] <logical_mark> thanks avanspronsen I will do that now that I knwo it is there
[12:57] <hybrid_goth> avanspronsen:  ty
[12:58] <avanspronsen> logical_mark: no problems, lots of good stuff there
[12:58] <avanspronsen> hybrid_goth: np bud!
[12:58] <logical_mark> avans are you running ubuntu?
[12:58] <nickrud> gdesklets??!!
[12:58] <Snippy> firebird: I just use the root terminal..? works too oO
[12:58] <cut0ff> hi there
[12:58] <avanspronsen> logical_mark: yes
[12:58] <Firebird> Snippy, right
[12:58] <logical_mark> I looked at slax and really liked what I saw, but no support for my centrino wireless
[12:59] <Snippy> Firebird, can I query you for a sec?
[12:59] <logical_mark> thanks for the help guys. This is one of the most supportive distro communities i have found.
[12:59] <avanspronsen> logical_mark: Ubuntu is the best distro I have tried, and I have tried a lot of them :-)
[12:59] <logical_mark> yeah me to avans
[12:59] <joe__> logical_mark, ditto
[12:59] <logical_mark> I like the ease and hardware support
[01:00] <logical_mark> and like i just said all you guys are not asses to people with questions
[01:00] <joe__> the community is great
[01:00] <avanspronsen> hardware support, community, install, defaults, etc...all top notch
[01:00] <joe__> avanspronsen, well, maybe not install
[01:00] <logical_mark> I am going to go lookup that multiverse stuff and read up in wikipedia. thanks for the help
[01:00] <Firebird> Snippy, sure
[01:01] <avanspronsen> joe__: I like the install, very simple, maybe the partitioning could use some work but otherwise nice and simple
[01:01] <nickrud> joe__, it's just that most of us have been burned on installs, and sound, and networking, and ... :)\
[01:01] <joe__> nickrud, true, it's functionally great
[01:02] <joe__> and i personally dont have a problem with it at all
[01:02] <joe__> i'm used to installing debian, though
[01:02] <joe__> and i've heard there are some good graphical installers that may be easier for novices
[01:02] <chrissturm> i am running a ati card with fglrx driver and dual head. how can i configure on what screen my login screen appears?
[01:05] <tiglionabbit> Firebird: I think I did it wrong and it didn't work
[01:06] <tiglionabbit> gkrellm reports all temperature sensors as 0
[01:06] <k-0tik> may not have a temperature sensor
[01:07] <k-0tik> try out superkaramba also its the same as gkrellm but i like it better because it sits on your desktop all tranlucent and shit
[01:07] <k-0tik> its hto
[01:08] <crashd> hmm
[01:09] <crashd> how do i move panel applets around?
[01:09] <Firebird> tiglionabbit, but do you have sensors detected ? when you type the command "sensors", does it display the different temperature and fan speeds ?
[01:10] <mjr> crashd, drag with middle button or choose move from applet context menu
[01:10] <Firebird> crashd, right click -> move ?
[01:11] <crashd> yah, i tried that, but i cant put a new applet in the default ubuntu one in the top right corner
[01:11] <nickrud> crashd, you need to unlock the applets that are blocking: right click, unlock
[01:12] <tiglionabbit> Firebird: oh, thanks, that does show my CPU temperature
[01:12] <n3x4> hi, does anyone know what to press when you're installing ubuntu and you're at the blue screen when it's finished installing and you've rebooted, because it says like 'change your timezone' and I go to the 'ok' area through 'tab' , but how do I activate it? because as soon as I click enter, or space it goes to the invisible prompt and the blue screen moves up, and I have to restart to try again.. help is greatly appreciated
[01:14] <Firebird> tiglionabbit, that means you have installed the sensors correctly. Now with gdesklets (that you should install) you'll have multiple ways to display temperature on your desktop
[01:14] <cappiz> i have found some thread at the forums about freenx.. but i dont seemt to be abel to install it... someone got a "working" guide for hoary?
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> Firebird: thank you
[01:14] <Firebird> tiglionabbit, de nada
[01:14] <direwolf> i dont like the fcc
[01:14] <Firebird> cappiz, weah, I heard freenx rules
[01:14] <n3x4> anyone?
[01:15] <phixion> if I use btdownloadcurses to download, how can i make an alias for it, so i dont have to type it all out, maybe just "torrent torrentname.torrent" in console to make it start?
[01:15] <cappiz> hu Firebird ?
[01:15] <kezz> use ln -s
[01:15] <weejamer> does anyone know how to switch between 2 sound devices in linux
[01:15] <kezz> or tab complete
[01:15] <Firebird> cappiz, freenx is on the Ubuntu apt repositories... you should be able to apt-get it
[01:16] <nickrud> phixion, maybe, alias btd='btdownloadcurses'
[01:16] <weejamer> does anyone know how to switch between 2 sound devices in linux
[01:16] <Firebird> cappiz, eventually, read http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ <- that's an excellent help, it also have new repositories to have more applications
[01:16] <cappiz> Firebird what line i need in sources.list then?
[01:16] <cappiz> cause i dont get it
[01:16] <phixion> nickrud, where would I put that?
[01:16] <direwolf> im not sure in gnome ...ive been usin xfce
[01:16] <Firebird> cappiz, it's all explained in the website I just gave you
[01:17] <avanspronsen> !ubuntuguide
[01:17] <ubotu> I heard ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[01:17] <weejamer> does anyone know how to switch between 2 sound devices in linux
[01:17] <tiglionabbit> phixion: to make an alias, say "alias thealias='The Long Command'"  To make it permanent, add that line to your .bashrc file
[01:17] <phixion> thanks alot for the help :)
[01:17] <direwolf> weejamer please dont repeat yourself, give people some time and someone will help you
[01:17] <phixion> do you know a way of making it prompt for a certain string?
[01:18] <weejamer> oooookkkkaaaaaayyyy
[01:18] <Firebird> ubotu, it looks to me to be filled with plenty of explanation. If you heard about it, did you also check it out ?
[01:18] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, Firebird
[01:18] <nickrud> phixion, I keep those in .bash_aliases, sourced from .bashrc
[01:18] <avanspronsen> Firebird: ubotu is a bot of sorts with automated responses :-)
[01:19] <Firebird> That's exactly what I thought
[01:19] <Firebird> didn't reply to version either... obviously a bot
[01:19] <nickrud> a stroked bot, tho, Firebird :)
[01:20] <avanspronsen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation is roughly the equivalent link on the wiki
[01:20] <weejamer> <<<<not alowed to repeat myself but can anyone help me with sound card issues
[01:20] <chrissturm> what package is mscorlib.dll in?
[01:20] <Firebird> nickrud, hehe
[01:20] <phixion> tiglionabbit, do i have to reload bash.rc after adding to it? the command i added isnt recognised
[01:20] <direwolf> weejamer: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22162.html
[01:21] <Firebird> philips, exec bash
[01:21] <Firebird> oops
[01:21] <Firebird> phixion, erm, try exec bash
[01:21] <nickrud> phixion, source ~/.bashrc to reload
[01:21] <direwolf> i love google
[01:22] <sun> is there a way to recompile firefox with special options? --enable-pango
[01:22] <phixion> thx
[01:22] <phixion> both :)
[01:22] <Firebird> oh right... source works also
[01:22] <cappiz> Firebird great works :D
[01:22] <piksi> em, can anyone tell me reason why apt-get dist-upgrade wants to uninstall mount
[01:22] <piksi> and install mount-aes instead
[01:22] <weejamer> that did not fix my issue direwolf
[01:24] <Firebird> cappiz, hehe, nice ;)
[01:24] <sun> bump
[01:24] <tiglionabbit> nickrud: well the distro has been out for a while, people have learned the basics and are going to start screwing around with things that are harder
[01:25] <nickrud> tiglionabbit, yeah, I've noticed
[01:25] <nickrud> low hanging fruit is harder to find :)
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> it's a good thing
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> we're getting smarter
[01:25] <brandon> Hey, I have a problem with Apache
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> see, the docteam would have us believe that "normal users don't use apache"
[01:25] <direwolf> who doesnt
[01:26] <weejamer> hello i got a problem with 2 sound devices how do i switch between the 2 devices
[01:26] <Firebird> brandon, a few had problems with Apache already.. that program is a biatch, but hey, we love and need it
[01:26] <brandon> I installed it with apt-get, and the /var/www directory won't let me save any files in it
[01:26] <brandon> Yeah, it's the permissions
[01:26] <nickrud> tiglionabbit, well, who need's a local webserver, unless you're using debian doc stuff?
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> weejamer: system -> preferences -> multimedia systems selector ?
[01:26] <Firebird> weejamer, I suppose you didn't repeat yourself :)
[01:26] <brandon> It won't let me change permissions either
[01:26] <weejamer> lol firebird
[01:26] <Firebird> brandon, you have to use apt-get as superuser
[01:26] <nickrud> which never was good enough, anyway
[01:27] <brandon> I put sudo in front of it...
[01:27] <tiglionabbit> brandon: you need to be super user to edit directories outside of /home
[01:27] <avanspronsen> brandon: I usually create my own dir as my www root folder
[01:27] <weejamer> tiglionabbit the  option is not there? but thans
[01:27] <weejamer> thanks^
[01:27] <nickrud> tiglionabbit, I spoke without thinking: cups
[01:27] <tiglionabbit> weejamer: oh, true, I don't really know
[01:27] <brandon> Oh...is there any way to make my account superuser?
[01:27] <jim_> i've got a question so stupid it hurts.
[01:28] <tiglionabbit> brandon: well, you can run anything as root
[01:28] <Firebird> brandon, it's not a good idea at all to do everything with a super user account
[01:28] <jim_> i'm running ubuntu on two machines along with three windows 2k machines.
[01:28] <tiglionabbit> brandon: using sudo, or sudo -s to become root-ish.  Are you familiar with the terminal?
[01:28] <brandon> Yeah
[01:28] <direwolf> wee are both devices showing up? ... lspci and/or lsusb
[01:28] <brandon> A little, I don't know too much about it
[01:28] <cappiz> Firebird the sound isnt working though...
[01:29] <weejamer> tiglionabbit if i goto volume control and can goto file>Change device but that don't work either
[01:29] <Firebird> cappiz, did you check the cables, the volume ?
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> brandon: okay, in that case, just do applications -> run application, and type in "gksudo" followed by the name of the program you want to run.  It will then run with root permissions and ask you your password
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> weejamer: I think Ubuntu uses all of your devices at the same time, and all that matters is the individual volume control for each one.  Open the volume control panel, switch devices, and start turning things up and unmuting them
[01:30] <jim_> i can't get the two ubuntu machines to talk to one another, though they see one another.
[01:30] <cappiz> wel... i get sound locally at the computer... cause when i plugin the cabel to the host itself it works
[01:30] <miguel> hello everyone!
[01:30] <cappiz> but not over NX client
[01:30] <brandon> Alright, I can save things in it now. But how do I delete files in there?
[01:30] <Chromance> anyone know how I can get my Grub back for dual boot? I did a new install of windows . Now I can't get my ubuntu linux goin
[01:30] <weejamer> hmmm intresting idea tiglionabbit
[01:30] <brandon> I need to delete /var/www/index.html
[01:30] <warp_> h
[01:30] <warp_> hi
[01:30] <warp_> i need help
[01:30] <miguel> someone have a source to download mplayer for ubuntu 5.4
[01:31] <Firebird> miguel yes
[01:31] <avanspronsen> jim_ what are you using to talk from machine to machine?
[01:31] <miguel> Firebird, tellme plz
[01:31] <warp_> how can i change form gcc-4.0 to gcc-3.3
[01:31] <weejamer> does not work tiglionabbit
[01:31] <bimberi> Chromance: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:31] <tiglionabbit> brandon: well, the admins here would kill me if I said "gksudo nautilus".  But um, you could "cd" (change directory) to that folder, and "sudo rm" (switch-user + remove) the files
[01:31] <Chromance> thanks
[01:32] <bimberi> yw :)
[01:32] <tiglionabbit> brandon: they think if you run nautilus as root, it will mess up an authority file somewhere
[01:32] <jim_> konqueror
[01:32] <warp_> how can i change form gcc-4.0 to gcc-3.3?????
[01:32] <Firebird> miguel you have to use the multiverse repository
[01:32] <direwolf> oops haha
[01:32] <tiglionabbit> !info mplayer-386
[01:32] <ubotu> mplayer-386: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 (hoary), Packaged size: 3499 kB, Installed size: 7592 kB
[01:32] <miguel> Firebird, how is that
[01:33] <avanspronsen> jim_: what protocol?  are you trying to use ssh, samba, ftp?
[01:33] <tiglionabbit> miguel: mplayer is in multiverse.  See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:33] <Firebird> you have to add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:33] <bimberi> warp_: install gcc-3.3 and modify /usr/bin/gcc (which is a shortcut) to point to gcc3.3
[01:34] <Firebird> well I won't continue as tiglionabbit replied already
[01:34] <jim_> avanspronsen: i've tried samba.  I haven't configured ssh or ftp on either machine.
[01:34] <warp_> ok thanks
[01:35] <avanspronsen> jim_: what are you trying to do? copy files? adhoc kinda stuff?
[01:35] <nickrud> warp_, as bimberi said, but try update-alternatives --config cc
[01:36] <bimberi> nickrud: ooh yes - thanks :)
[01:36] <warp_> ok
[01:36] <brandon> Alright, I changed the command for my jEdit launcher to `gksudo jedit'
[01:36] <nickrud> bimberi, thanks, I was just panicing over that, looking up some more docs :)
[01:36] <matsur> Hi all, how do I get cool and Quiet working w/ amd64?
[01:37] <avanspronsen> jim_: ssh is really easy...in a termincal type "sudo apt-get install ssh"
[01:37] <brandon> So that lets me save stuff in my /var/www...
[01:37] <avanspronsen> jim_: to install on each machine
[01:38] <brandon> But, how could I move a massive amount of files into it? I have a server on Windows too, and I want the server on both OS's. I have my files on a CD, but it won't let me copy the files and paste them in /var/www.
[01:38] <Chromance> any new info on the new release of Ubuntu?
[01:38] <sun> why is my .bash_profile not sourced when i first login?
[01:38] <cappiz> you know what that might be Firetech ?
[01:38] <cappiz> ops
[01:38] <brandon> Anyone?
[01:39] <sun> brandon, i use jEdit too; it rocks! :)
[01:40] <nickrud> sun, gdm does not source .bashrc; only terminals do.
[01:40] <avanspronsen> brandon: I would have setup a new dir, have you as the owner and www-data as the group.  that way you get the access you need and www-data would have the access it needs
[01:40] <sun> nickrud, is there a .gdmrc i can mess with?
[01:41] <nickrud> sun, ~/.gnomerc is sourced whenever you start a gnome session
[01:41] <sun> nickrud, thanks that'll do the trick
[01:42] <ubuntu> ubuntu meio doidado... xo voltar pro meu debian
[01:42] <avanspronsen> brandon: you can also chmod the default dir too to update the permissions
[01:42] <farruinn> I can't get the modem on my 800 MHz eMac to connect, has anyone configured ppp on an eMac?
[01:42] <h08817> i need some help please
[01:42] <miguel> Firetech, if i just download w32codes,could work with totem?
[01:43] <h08817> how do i get my netgear usb to work on a linux computer
[01:43] <h08817> i have used it all the time on my windows system
[01:43] <h08817> so how do i get it to work in linux?
[01:43] <Firetech> Why are everyone highlighting me?
[01:43] <miguel> Firebird if i just download w32codes,could work with totem?
[01:44] <h08817> netgear wg111 help
[01:44] <Firetech> I haven't said anything here for atleast 48 hours
[01:44] <avanspronsen> h08817: it is not being automounted?
[01:44] <h08817> whatever that means
[01:44] <h08817> i just want to get online with my linux machine
[01:44] <warp_> other question, i have a sony clie peg-s320, How I can raise photos to him?
[01:45] <h08817> do i need a driver or something?
[01:45] <Firetech> miguel: Firebird went offline 10 minutes ago.
[01:45] <h08817> do i need to configure my internet or what? i am a noob to linux
[01:46] <h08817> avanspronsen, how can i get internet on my netgear wg111 usb?
[01:46] <warp_> please help me
[01:46] <avanspronsen> h08817: sorry, misunderstood, though tyou were talking about a usb thumbdrive
[01:47] <Joose^> hi guys..
[01:47] <h08817> nope sorry
[01:47] <h08817> can any1 help me with a netgear wg111 usb?
[01:47] <Joose^> nah... i cann't configure my modem.. intel 537ep .. is anybody tried to install it?
[01:48] <warp_> how can i raise photos to sony clie
[01:49] <warp_> anyone have a plam???
[01:49] <warp_> palm
[01:49] <lok> what did the server install of ubuntu does exactly ?
[01:49] <stumbles> hey
[01:50] <lok> a preconfigure install of apache or another server type? or juste a light install ?
[01:50] <farruinn> lok: I believe it's a light install, doesn't include gnome etc
[01:50] <bimberi> !ndiswrapper
[01:50] <ubotu> it has been said that ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[01:50] <farruinn> I've never tried it though
[01:51] <cafuego> lok: The ubuntu server install basically does a 'debian' install ;-)
[01:51] <h08817> what does ndiswrapper do?
[01:51] <bimberi> h08817: ubotu's post above plus this thread might help you - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51993
[01:51] <Joose^> nah... i cann't configure my modem.. intel 537ep .. is anybody tried to install it?
[01:51] <h08817> ok thanks
[01:51] <lok> ok thanks
[01:51] <bimberi> h08817: it enables you to use windows wireless drivers
[01:51] <cafuego> h08817: loads windows drivers into the linux kernel, thus sending the signmal to manufacturers that it's OK to only write windows drivers.
[01:52] <h08817> ok i have ndiswrapper installed
[01:52] <cafuego> h08817: handy for users who can't check docs before they shop, but politically very bad.
[01:52] <h08817> how do i find out the list of drivers it will allow me to install
[01:52] <Snippy> hello again people
[01:52] <stumbles> how is it finanically viable for Ubuntu to be mailed out to whoever wants it?
[01:52] <Snippy> hey cafuego
[01:52] <Snippy> got good news for you :P
[01:52] <cafuego> Snippy: Stop accusing me!
[01:52] <h08817> i need to install netgear usb wg111
[01:53] <Snippy> cafuego hehe:P listen, sound is fixed.. want to know what the problem was?
[01:53] <cafuego> Snippy: What was it?
[01:53] <cafuego> volume turned down? ;-)
[01:53] <direwolf> unfortunately i have to use ndiswrapper
[01:53] <Snippy> cafuego, worse
[01:53] <cafuego> speakers off?
[01:53] <Snippy> cafuego: worse
[01:53] <windex> stumbles, its advertising. it says for a limited time. the ubuntu foundation at some point made a decision to produce and ship, for free, the cd's to promote the OS.
[01:53] <farruinn> Has anyone configured ppp for an eMac modem?  I can't get it to work
[01:53] <Snippy> they weren plugged in  >___<
[01:53] <pax> someone copy their original /etc/apache2/sites-available/default to pastebin for me
[01:53] <Snippy> +t
[01:53] <h08817> thanks for the link i think there is something useful there
[01:54] <direwolf> for my main tasks anyway ....ahem peripheral ahem ...i can use the linux driver modules for though
[01:54] <cafuego> "Of je stopt de stekker erin"
[01:54] <Xenguy> stumbles: it's not "financially viable"; it's an act of charity and generosity
[01:54] <Snippy> cafuego, funny uh? I'm feeling so.. idiotic somehow >_<
[01:54] <cafuego> farruinn: is is detected as /dev/ttySX ?
[01:54] <cafuego> Snippy: Well you know, happens to the best of us ;-)
[01:55] <farruinn> through the Network dialog I click "detect automatically" and it says it can't detect anything
[01:55] <Snippy> hehe yea..
[01:55] <bimberi> Snippy: Let he who hath never made a silly mistake cast the first stone :)
[01:55] <Snippy> anyway, I've got a question.. I got a 120 GB NTFS partition full of important files for me.. how can I access it without restrictions.. maybe even change the partition without moving or losing the files.. any guess?
[01:55] <Snippy> hehe
[01:56] <cafuego> Snippy: "not"
[01:56] <mevvis> hi
[01:56] <factotum> hello mevvis
[01:56] <Joose^> nah... i cann't configure my modem.. intel 537ep .. has anybody tried to install it?
[01:56] <cafuego> Snippy: You can READ the files with no problems, but you can't write to that partition without destroying it.
[01:56] <Snippy> I've heard that it IS possible to even change the partition without moving / erasing files..
[01:56] <jim__> hello everyone... anyone good with shortcuts?
[01:56] <Xenguy> Snippy: partition magic, or some such
[01:57] <farruinn> I've tried configuring things through the Network settings dialog as well as with pppconfig
[01:57] <cafuego> Snippy: Oh, parted yes... keep in mind that has a disclaimer stating to have a backup, coz it MAY mess up.
[01:57] <jim__> I need to set the workpath in the shortcut can anyone help?
[01:57] <Snippy> but this will delete the files?
[01:57] <Nomad_1> "Extreme Computing": Most people think high powered hardware, I think 'body armor required' (I'm not sure but I think right now is the first time anyone's dinked around on their computer with body armor on :) )
[01:57] <cafuego> Snippy: No, it will move the partition boundaries, but keep the files intact.
[01:57] <Snippy> when I change the partition to ext3.. from ntfs.. wont it destroy the files? o_O
[01:57] <Snippy> ohh
[01:57] <Xenguy> Snippy: you want software that will do non-destructive partitioning
[01:57] <Snippy> yes
[01:58] <farruinn> In /var/log/syslog it gets to "chat[pid]  expect(OK)" then I get "chat[pid]  alarm" "chat[pid]  failed"
[01:58] <cafuego> Snippy: No, if you change the partition type, a few bytes are flipped in the MBR. The problem is when you then run 'mkfs' - that DOES erase everything :-)
[01:58] <Snippy> what is mkfs?
[01:58] <cafuego> Snippy: The actual 'format' equivalent used to make new filesystems.
[01:59] <direwolf> make filesystem (format)
[01:59] <Xenguy> Snippy: I've only used PM (d0ze); on linux there is [G|Q] parted, but I've never used them myself...
[01:59] <nickrud> Snippy, take it to the bank: changing partition definitions destroys data.
[01:59] <Xenguy> Snippy: always have a backup ideally before using such s/w
[01:59] <Snippy> how the heck would I backup 120 GB ? >_< it's filled..
[01:59] <sun> how can i run multiple X servers? i want to run different WMs on the same machine
[01:59] <jim__> anyone know about creating menu items for cedega games??
[01:59] <cafuego> Snippy: What's yer budget?
[01:59] <direwolf> a bunch of dvd's
[02:00] <Snippy> I'm student oO
[02:00] <direwolf> another hd...etc
[02:00] <cafuego> direwolf: By the time you add cost of media plus time spent burning, a new HDD is cheaper.
[02:00] <direwolf> agreed
[02:00] <Snippy> my DVD Burner is.. hehe well.. broken..
[02:00] <direwolf> hd it is!
[02:00] <Snippy> and yes its plugged in :P
[02:00] <direwolf> ;)
[02:00] <cafuego> woo, dvd2 is dibe
[02:01] <cafuego> done
[02:01] <Snippy> so there is absolutly NO chance of just changing the partition type from ntfs to ext3 WITHOUT destroyin' data? *crys*
[02:01] <cafuego> Snippy: None whatsoever.
[02:01] <nickrud> Snippy, not an effing chance
[02:01] <direwolf> i saw a link on digg.com someone selling 200gb hd's $70 us
[02:01] <Snippy> what does effing mean?
[02:02] <cafuego> Snippy: That works from ext2 to ext3 and not EVER any other time.
[02:02] <Snippy> I see..
[02:02] <Snippy> damn o_O
[02:02] <dooglus> it works for ext3 to ext2 too
[02:02] <Snippy> c'mon guys.. dont make jokes with me.. there MUST be a way..
[02:02] <nickrud> means I'm skirting the code of conduct :)
[02:03] <factotum> If there is a way, linux install would have that option at boot time
[02:03] <cafuego> Snippy: No, there is NO way.
[02:03] <Snippy> damn
[02:03] <factotum> your outa luck
[02:03] <Snippy> and what if I keep NTFS?
[02:03] <nickrud> Snippy, it's just a way of saying, back up the stuff on the ntfs partition, if you really want to save the data
[02:03] <Snippy> is there a way to read and write to the partition ?
[02:03] <cafuego> Snippy: The ONLY way is to back up all that data, then erase and reformat the disk.
[02:04] <cafuego> Snippy: No way you'd care to put up with.
[02:04] <crashd> if you try and modprobe something and it says invalid format xxxx.ko
[02:04] <crashd> what's the deal?
[02:04] <direwolf> do you know anyone one who has a drive with enough free space to backup your data?
[02:04] <cafuego> yeah, students ought to know other students with 250GB pr0n drives
[02:04] <direwolf> perhaps you could borrow it until you get yours repartitioned and reformatted ?
[02:05] <windex> Snippy, sata and ide hard disks are currently less than $1/gb. add an external usb enclosure for $40. you've got yourself a backup.
[02:05] <direwolf> cafuego hahaha exactly
[02:05] <factotum> i was gonna say, if its pron....lmao
[02:05] <cafuego> god knows i did at uni :-)
[02:05] <Snippy> oh my..
[02:05] <desrt> ya
[02:05] <Snippy> I could maybe make my server up
[02:05] <direwolf> cafuego...moved up to terabyte network storage eh?
[02:05] <Snippy> got 7 pc's around here
[02:05] <desrt> your typical university student can round up about a TB of porn on short notice
[02:05] <MrGardenHoseMan> anyone know a good /cue splitter?
[02:06] <MrGardenHoseMan> .cue*
[02:06] <Snippy> but I think that all the HDDs together wont even make 100GB
[02:06] <Snippy> lol
[02:06] <Snippy> old stuff
[02:06] <windex> i'm sure his data is someting innocent, like MS Paint drawings when he was stoned^H^H^H^H^H^Hin a certian state of mind.
[02:06] <Snippy> o_O
[02:06] <desrt> windex; ^W
[02:06] <direwolf> snippy, your 120gb drive is totally full?
[02:06] <windex> desrt, right.
[02:06] <nickrud> mn, maybe I'll provide a little space on my server for a bit :)
[02:06] <Snippy> 10GB alone of website templates I made.. and some GB of designs I made
[02:06] <factotum> im guessing its either pron or music
[02:06] <Snippy> yes totally full
[02:06] <direwolf> first mistake right there
[02:06] <cafuego> Snippy: You only need 80GB; after that you can resize ntfs, make an 80G ext3 partition, empty and delete NTFS, grow ext3 in size...
[02:07] <desrt> music = earpr0n
[02:07] <cafuego> Snippy: Takes more time, but doesn't cost extra.
[02:07] <windex> anyway, shame on me, talk about Snippy's hard disk contents are not suitable for #ubuntu. they should go in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[02:07] <Stormx> Heya
[02:07] <Snippy> lol
[02:07] <Snippy> ok porn is there too :P
[02:07] <factotum> wow, ive been doing webdev for 4 years, dont think Ive had more that 2 gigs of html code at most lol
[02:07] <cafuego> Just trash the pr0n
[02:07] <Stormx> Snippy, yeh 10gb of "website templates" eh?
[02:08] <Snippy> yes
[02:08] <Snippy> + or -
[02:08] <direwolf> hahaha
[02:08] <cafuego> Stormx: 300dpi photoshop assemblies aren't small.
[02:08] <Snippy> years of work stuck in the hdd
[02:08] <mevvis> :) bye
[02:08] <factotum> id hate to wait for that to load in a browser
[02:08] <Stormx> cafuego: I'm a web designer, shutup.
[02:08] <Octane> holy crap ubuntu-quickguide takes up 29 megs!!
[02:08] <windex> Snippy, you do realize of course, that hard disks fail constantly, and not having a backup of this data if its so valuable is really, really.. unprepared.
[02:08] <Snippy> Stormx I'm one too..
[02:08] <Stormx> Snippy: ^_^
[02:08] <Snippy> I know..
[02:09] <Snippy> but I cant afford to buy lots of DVDs
[02:09] <Snippy> or another HDD
[02:09] <Stormx> Snippy: Do you code?
[02:09] <Snippy> I'm learning it
[02:09] <Snippy> learning mostly xhtml
[02:09] <Snippy> and php
[02:09] <Stormx> XHTML + PHP + MySQL = ownage
[02:09] <factotum> and the rest of us are stuck building cms's for companies we could care less about
[02:09] <cafuego> Stormx: That's =) not =(
[02:09] <windex> cafuego, nah. we don't! we seperate web development (server side) and web design (client side).
[02:10] <desrt> Stormx; boycott mysql
[02:10] <Snippy> I'm building CMS's too :P
[02:10] <Stormx> desrt: And use what instead?
[02:10] <desrt> Stormx; postgres
[02:10] <Snippy> www.snippydesigns.com
[02:10] <Snippy> ;)
[02:10] <Stormx> Snippy: I'm gonna be designing commercially soon
[02:10] <Stormx> Snippy, I'm taking a look.
[02:10] <windex> cafuego, we flog people if they ask for flash.
[02:10] <Snippy> oh well.. nothings online there :P
[02:10] <Stormx> Base_02, snippy?
[02:10] <cafuego> yes, switch to a dbms that isn't supported by most web hosting companies, great idea.
[02:10] <Snippy> changing design and adding CMs etc
[02:10] <Stormx> ^_^ I recognise fonts, how sad.
[02:11] <cafuego> windex: That's the way! :-)
[02:11] <Snippy> fastly made
[02:11] <Snippy> heh
[02:11] <Snippy> www.red-claw.com
[02:11] <Stormx> Snippy: www.dfusenetwork.com - My current site, getting there.......
[02:11] <Snippy> another creation
[02:11] <Snippy> gonna have a look :)
[02:11] <windex> cafuego, what dbms isin't supported by most web hosting companies, again?
[02:11] <Stormx> Snippy: WOW!
[02:11] <cafuego> windex: I find that most of them here don't have pgsql
[02:11] <Snippy> if you want, I can show you some of my works?
[02:11] <Stormx> Snippy: Thats damn good ^_^
[02:11] <Snippy> thanks
[02:11] <Stormx> Snippy: You have MSN?
[02:12] <windex> cafuego, oh. right. i thought you were saying mysql. _every_ host on the planet has mysql. even yahoo.
[02:12] <Snippy> yep
[02:12] <cafuego> windex: yeah
[02:12] <Stormx> windex: Except MS
[02:12] <Snippy><EMAIL_ADDRESS> add me ;)
[02:12] <Stormx> Snippy: OK Will do ^_^
[02:12] <nickrud> Snippy, what plugin do I need for your site ;(
[02:12] <Snippy> :)
[02:12] <Snippy> no plugin? :o
[02:12] <desrt> Stormx; boycott msn
[02:12] <Snippy> its just.. a picture?
[02:12] <spike> it needs java plugin
[02:12] <Stormx> desrt: Haha.
[02:12] <cafuego> desrt: You seem to be awfully busy boycotting
[02:13] <windex> Stormx, a lot of microsoft IIS hosting providers provide mysql as well, since it's free and sql server costs money.
[02:13] <Snippy> o_O
[02:13] <factotum> java...ew
[02:13] <Stormx> desrt: I know, but everyone I know uses it.
[02:13] <nickrud> ah, ok, I'll get around to that soon enough, never mind :)
[02:13] <desrt> cafuego; i don't like bad things
[02:13] <Stormx> Bah, where is GAIM...
[02:13] <spike> snippy: you have java crap at the bottom
[02:14] <factotum> someones been using dreamweaver hehe
[02:14] <direwolf> hahaha
[02:14] <Snippy> uh yeah..
[02:14] <Snippy> right
[02:14] <Snippy> lol
[02:14] <Stormx> Snippy! I'm ashamed with you!
[02:14] <Snippy> lol
[02:14] <Stormx> W3C XHTML Validator Pro - ALL THE WAY!
[02:14] <cafuego> desrt: boycott people who ask for boycotts
[02:15] <Stormx> (And bluefish on ubuntu)
[02:15] <windex> factotum, my business partner is a print designer, more than a web designer. he uses dreamweaver, and it does what he needs it to do and looks good. :P
[02:15] <desrt> cafuego; some boycotts are called for
[02:15] <factotum> thats good
[02:15] <spike> my site is built with dreamwevaer also :)
[02:15] <Stormx> BAH!!!!
[02:15] <ColonelKernel> high fiber diets work well too
[02:15] <windex> factotum, on the other hand, i have to write the code under it. thus: dreamweaver sucks.
[02:15] <Stormx> HAND CODE DAMN YOU!
[02:15] <spike> :)
[02:15] <factotum> exactly
[02:15] <nickrud> most, if you look hard enough (my political comment of the month)
[02:15] <Snippy> as I said o_O this page is fastly build oO
[02:15] <cafuego> desrt: true, but politics and boycotting the US isn't topical here.
[02:15] <Stormx> It had better be XHTML Transition - at least!
[02:16] <Snippy> the page behind this one.. the locked one is much better:P
[02:16] <desrt> cafuego; and where do you live?
[02:16] <factotum> works for some, causes seizures for others
[02:16] <nickrud> if I may, cafuego lives in the antipodes :)
[02:17] <Stormx> I think i'm gonna learn Python
[02:17] <Stormx> I know PHP inside out now.
[02:17] <factotum> our design dept also has dreamweaver, i just treat them as mockups when i get them and start from scratch
[02:17] <factotum> i like perl
[02:17] <Snippy> SOME of my works.. http://redclaw-base.com/files/dossier.zip
[02:17] <factotum> or as some call it, that damn pos
[02:18] <Stormx> Snippy: Hey man, fancy designing commercially?
[02:18] <Stormx> Snippy: Me, and three other people, are gonna be part of a Web Design company.
[02:18] <Snippy> already got paid to do stuff like that..
[02:18] <Snippy> but..
[02:18] <Stormx> Oh.
[02:18] <Stormx> ^_^
[02:18] <Stormx> Wel
[02:19] <Stormx> its been at a standstill for a couple of months now
[02:19] <Snippy> you know.. I'm going to school and next year I'll be in a special art school.. 2 years then I'm going for Media Designer
[02:19] <spike> i should be leaving. i've been vc++ developer for 6 years. but i like ubuntu ;)
[02:19] <Stormx> vc++?
[02:19] <Stormx> Visual C++?
[02:19] <factotum> vis c eh?
[02:19] <spike> yes
[02:19] <factotum> eech
[02:19] <Snippy> heh
[02:19] <Stormx> ^_^ I have NEVER heard of that
[02:20] <Snippy> so anyone checked my works?
[02:20] <Snippy> :o
[02:20] <cappiz> someone here that might know why i dont get audio through freenx ?
[02:20] <Joose^> hey if i have a extern modem like Us Robotics for serial or com port. .. does ubuntu check it?
[02:20] <Stormx> Snippy, hang on....
[02:20] <Snippy> okay ^
[02:20] <windex> spike, you'll find that writing code for X under GTK, Glade is somewhat usable for interfaces. :)
[02:20] <nickrud> Joose^, yes, ubuntu should find it
[02:20] <windex> spike, but not even close to MSVC++/Borland.
[02:20] <spike> well, i am not advertising anything. it just paid my salary
[02:21] <nickrud> Joose^, when you run sudo pppconfig to configure your modem link to the net
[02:21] <spike> spike.nopastudio.net
[02:21] <Stormx> Bah
[02:21] <Stormx> I wish I made money
[02:21] <Stormx> But im 14 >_>
[02:21] <Stormx> I can't get real jobs
[02:21] <Joose^> nickrud thax.. but i should be connect to internet not? to ubuntu find it, but how i will connect it?
[02:21] <Snippy> Stormx, dont wonder if the names are crapy for the pics   lol
[02:21] <windex> i was 13-14 when i started using linux. i am now 24. :P
[02:21] <Stormx> ^_^
[02:21] <Stormx> windex: What do you do?
[02:22] <spike> i am from bulgaria. it is easy to find nice job these days with php and java only
[02:22] <nickrud> Joose^, sudo pppconfig (from a terminal) will truly be your friend for connecting to the net
[02:22] <spike> and some .net probably
[02:22] <nickrud> meh
[02:23] <spike> me started with red hat 5.0 and i did not like it
[02:23] <windex> Stormx, well, up until last friday i was the admin/developer/unix god at a midsized telecommunications company. now they've run out of money, so i'm working as a consultant, full time. i'd spam my url and junk, but a) that's bad and b) my web designing business partner has been too busy to finish our site, while working on customer sites.
[02:23] <cafuego> nickrud: Nah
[02:23] <Joose^> nickrud ah oka, thax.. yeah 'cause now i'm on dialup now.. and i cann't configured the damm modem..
[02:23] <Snippy> I started on linux with suse 8.2
[02:23] <Snippy> oh my..
[02:23] <Snippy> lol
[02:23] <nickrud> cafuego, thanks
[02:23] <cafuego> nickrud: I got distracted by shiny things ;-)
[02:23] <Snippy> switched around on the distris
[02:23] <Snippy> then got back to windows
[02:23] <Snippy> and then redhat 9
[02:23] <Snippy> 2 weeks
[02:23] <Snippy> back to windows
[02:23] <Snippy> now since few days ubuntu
[02:23] <Snippy> never back to windows again
[02:23] <ColonelKernel> well, I guess thats it, im sticking with ubuntu for desktop and centos for server - but I wish someone would tell me the patches that ubuntu uses on a stock kernel to make it ubuntu-compatible
[02:24] <ColonelKernel> Snippy, never heard of dual boot?
[02:24] <nickrud> I do love to peck at shiny things, to my own detriment :)
[02:24] <Snippy> stuff changed.. I just used windows for the games.. but now that I can play em with cedega 4.4 I dun care bout windows
[02:24] <Snippy> sure I heard of it
[02:24] <Snippy> even used it
[02:24] <windex> ColonelKernel, erm. you should be able to build a kernel from the kernel source that works with ubuntu. just make sure you enable things for your hardware, hotplug support for hotplug, etc.
[02:24] <Snippy> but .. yea takes too much space:P
[02:24] <Xenguy> Snippy: maybe 'qemu' also(?)
[02:24] <Snippy> ?
[02:25] <Xenguy> apt-cache show qemu
[02:25] <Stormx> I love ubuntu
[02:25] <Stormx> its so.... usuable
[02:25] <ColonelKernel> windex, nah, device-mapper doesnt work when you do that, theres ubuntu-specific patches somewhere
[02:25] <Stormx> I only use Windows for gaming now.
[02:25] <_Moz_> usable
[02:25] <_Moz_> stable
[02:25] <ColonelKernel> Stormx, me too, and yahoo webcam
[02:25] <spike> radio also
[02:25] <_Moz_> gameable
[02:25] <Stormx> usable, stable, user friendly, DAMN EASY TO INSTALL THINGS, supported, open source, awesome community
[02:25] <ColonelKernel> if gaim-vv ever makes 2 way yahoo webcam work, ill leave windows entirely
[02:26] <Stormx> You just don't get that with windows
[02:26] <_Moz_> funniable
[02:26] <Snippy> hmmmmmm
[02:26] <Stormx> Microsoft are all like "We are inovative" and stuff
[02:26] <Snippy> Xenguy not sure if qemu works like that..
[02:26] <Stormx> but they never say why
[02:26] <nickrud> ColonelKernel, if an implementation is choking you, look for another.
[02:26] <windex> ColonelKernel, hrm. uh, those are redhat supplied patches.
[02:26] <direwolf> in soviet russia, windows gets you!
[02:26] <Snippy> did anyone heard about 'vista' aka Longhorn.. what features it has??
[02:26] <Snippy> oh my..
[02:26] <Snippy> ok it MAY be a good OS.. BUT!!
[02:26] <spike> i did installed it yesteday
[02:26] <ColonelKernel> windex, thats odd, vanilla kernels work fine on fedora
[02:26] <windex> ColonelKernel, http://sources.redhat.com/dm/
[02:27] <Stormx> Snippy: Yep, I downloaded it.
[02:27] <_Moz_> News from Internet: Windows Vista will have a shell so powerfull as bash
[02:27] <Snippy> the function that it checks video files if they aren illegal or stuff like that really sucks
[02:27] <spike> vista is soo nice
[02:27] <_Moz_> auhuahuhahuahuahuahuahuhuahauhu
[02:27] <windex> ColonelKernel, does fedora use device mapper? :P
[02:27] <Stormx> Snippy: But I don't have a DVD Drive.
[02:27] <ColonelKernel> windex, I do not beleive so.
[02:27] <Joose^> well, i have 2 weeks tried to install the damn modem and i still cann't ... damn dial-up
[02:27] <direwolf> what it was supposed to have and what it will have are two totally separate things
[02:27] <Snippy> vista is nice yes..
[02:27] <Joose^> xD
[02:27] <direwolf> and no, its not
[02:27] <Stormx> Snippy: Agreed. They did a big crack down on piracy. Gets rid of rights though, doesn't it.
[02:27] <Snippy> but this "dont remember the name" is soooo not nice oO
[02:27] <direwolf> its a waste
[02:27] <avanspronsen> Snippy: Beta 2 will intoruce more of the newer features
[02:27] <Joose^> ohh sorry 1 week
[02:27] <Snippy> yea..
[02:27] <Stormx> Snippy: The new machines will come with a chip that directly checks stuff
[02:27] <nickrud> Joose^, it's really a modem at the end of a cable?
[02:27] <direwolf> ubuntu pwns it
[02:27] <windex> ColonelKernel, that'd explain why. i know centos uses device-mapper, and it's based on RHEL. i (think) i used those patches.
[02:28] <Stormx> What about IE7 though?
[02:28] <Stormx> It looks good to me.
[02:28] <Snippy> thats why I basically took a breath and switched to linux again
[02:28] <direwolf> hahaha
[02:28] <windex> ColonelKernel, does that help you in your quest to enjoy ubuntu slightly more? :P
[02:28] <Stormx> PNG Alpha channel support!!!!
[02:28] <direwolf> ie7 is a joke
[02:28] <Joose^> nickrud hehe yeah...
[02:28] <Stormx> PNG ALPHA CHANNEL SUPPORT GOD DAMN YOU!!!
[02:28] <avanspronsen> Stormx: IE7 is like firefox light, it doesn't even compare
[02:28] <spike> yes, but it is a player
[02:28] <direwolf> they *might* get around to supporting cdd properly (how much you wanna bet that wont happen)
[02:28] <ColonelKernel> windex, i will have to try those out on the latest vanilla and see what happens
[02:28] <windex> in other news, microsoft is going to base its new web browser on khtml ... oh wait, someone else did that.
[02:28] <Joose^> ie7 the imitation of mozilla
[02:28] <direwolf> css*
[02:28] <spike> and 90% of the people use it
[02:29] <direwolf> ie7 = joke
[02:29] <dock> anyone know why my board with turn on with one power supply, but not the other.  both work.
[02:29] <Stormx> avanspronsen: But most people use IE.
[02:29] <nickrud> Joose^, then sudo pppconfig, and point it at the right device: /dev/ttyS0 for com1:, /dev/ttyS1 for com2:
[02:29] <spike> the days of netspace 4.x are gone
[02:29] <Stormx> I use firefox
[02:29] <Stormx> I use Opera on windows though
[02:29] <avanspronsen> Stormx: yes, they will like it, people in the know won;t even bother though
[02:29] <Stormx> Firefox is fucking slow on my windows PC.
[02:29] <direwolf> on windows i use mozilla suite
[02:29] <Snippy> I even heard that intel and amd   MAY be implementing this stuff into the DIE.. that it checks files if they're digitally signed etc.. that would be the end for piracy I guess :(
[02:29] <windex> ColonelKernel, according to redhat, btw, kernels 2.6 integrate device mapper
[02:29] <windex> ColonelKernel, it's in the logical volume management config.
[02:29] <Snippy> take this with 1 grain of salt.. its a rumor
[02:29] <Stormx> Snippy: That might take maybe 24 hours for the hacking community to fix.
[02:30] <spike> snippy, piracy will never die in easter eaurope :)
[02:30] <nickrud> easter?
[02:30] <spike> exactly
[02:30] <Stormx> Snippy: How can they stop it?
[02:30] <Snippy> I wouldnt be that sure.. if its on the DIE ??
[02:30] <f_newton> eastern europe...
[02:30] <spike> reastern
[02:30] <spike> sorry :)
[02:30] <Joose^> nickrud.. ok i will do that.. thax ... i tried to configured but in a step "make 537" the terminal print me that autoconf.c doesn't exist in lib/modules
[02:30] <NiJr> there are any way to reset the systray ? , the apps now aren't show there
[02:30] <nickrud> heh, we do do easter diff, I guess :)
[02:30] <spike> :)
[02:30] <f_newton> why becuase its full of dishonest immoral bastards?
[02:30] <Snippy> well ok there will maybe a method to fake the files and get em a digital signature.. but still
[02:31] <Stormx> Anyway. I can really see ubuntu becoming the best linux suite out there. Not even Fedora Core can keep up.
[02:31] <direwolf> theres always a way
[02:31] <Stormx> And I want to help ubuntu as best I can ^_^
[02:31] <direwolf> hahaha
[02:31] <nickrud> Joose^, make?
[02:31] <Snippy> Stormx, ubuntu, isnt it already the best ;)
[02:31] <Stormx> cauego: Eastern europe has limited sea for ships x.X
[02:31] <cafuego> Copying data is hardly piracy. Piracy involves stealing, pillaging, raping and killing.
[02:31] <spike> yes, they could come to your coast to get to knoe them better
[02:31] <windex> cafuego, and ships. and ocean. and pirates!
[02:31] <Stormx> And they can't stop it, can they.
[02:32] <Snippy> cracking data, isnt that piracy too ? ^^
[02:32] <nickrud> heh, tell that to the Rus, they knew rivers as well :)
[02:32] <Stormx> I mean, you just get round the damn MIME types, eh?
[02:32] <cafuego> Don't be suckered into using the enemies terminology.
[02:32] <NiJr> how can i restart notification area in taskbar? , now it dont work for me
[02:32] <Stormx> NiJr: Just restart X
[02:32] <Stormx> Ctrl + Alt + Delete.
[02:32] <Joose^> nickrud yeah
[02:32] <Stormx> *Ctrl + Alt + Backspace
[02:32] <Joose^> i have a lag
[02:32] <NiJr> i dont want to restart apps :_(
[02:32] <Stormx> I'm still in windows mode ^_&
[02:32] <NiJr> other way?
[02:33] <f_newton> the pirates definition of piracy... how quaint
[02:33] <Stormx> NiJr: It needs to reload gnome to do that.
[02:33] <Stormx> NiJr: So just save what you're doing and restart X
[02:33] <f_newton> thats like a government's definition of honesty
[02:33] <Snippy> well.. this is a serious question.. who likes to download warez? cracks? etc.. who does it?
[02:33] <Snippy> I do.
[02:33] <Stormx> I do.
[02:34] <cafuego> f_newton: the mpaa/riaa only call it piracy because of the negative cconnotations. By going along with that you give them the upper hand.
[02:34] <Stormx> a good 50% of my music is pirated
[02:34] <NiJr> there are thinks that i cant close
[02:34] <Kyral> You have got to be kidding me
[02:34] <Snippy> software SHOULD be free.
[02:34] <Stormx> not to mention all my anime except for Akira
[02:34] <NiJr> thanks Stormx
[02:34] <nickrud> Joose^, make is something I've not seen as an error for pppconfig since day one, so, you have problems I haven't seen before
[02:34] <ubuntu> omygod
[02:34] <Kyral> there isn't a command line tool to prepend lines to files?
[02:34] <cafuego> f_newton: I prefer "alternative distribution"  ;-)
[02:34] <Snippy> 100% of my music IS pirated. 100% of my apps (I mean windows apps:P) and games..
[02:34] <Stormx> xD
[02:34] <Stormx> Hahaha
[02:34] <f_newton> whatever... you still take for free what people work their lives on in order to feed their families
[02:34] <Stormx> My CSE HTML Validator Pro is pirated
[02:34] <cafuego> f_newton: No, I don't.
[02:34] <Stormx> And I went to update it
[02:35] <cafuego> f_newton: I use GPL software.
[02:35] <Stormx> and it stored the damn name of the pirated version in the command line
[02:35] <cafuego> f_newton: And the Adobe stuff I use I actually paid for.
[02:35] <Stormx> A little HTML injection later and I deleted all records in that table xD
[02:35] <chad> heyas all
[02:35] <Joose^> nickrud.. but that is tried to install the drivers of the modem.. i haven't installed yet
[02:35] <farruinn> f_newton: you're implying they're going hungry because he pirates software?
[02:35] <Xenguy> Snippy: hrm, since finding more and more free software, it's become a relief that I don't have to be concerned about downloading and cracking proprietary software
[02:35] <nickrud> I want the gpl to be observed: by definition, that means I should observe any other license, no matter how reprehensible
[02:35] <windex> Snippy, your in a chat room full of programmers who respect copyright laws. talking about IP theft in the channel is likely to make people not like you, even if they do think what the riaa/mpaa is doing these days is stupid. :D *ahem*
[02:35] <f_newton> farruinn, mostly its the small people who are hurt not the industry itself
[02:35] <Stormx> windex: I'm a programmer and I don't care about copyright laws
[02:36] <f_newton> the ones who can least afford it
[02:36] <nickrud> Joose^, ? if the modem is an external, you need _no_ other driver.
[02:36] <Snippy> maybe in those times its not really right to download software for free that you HAVE to pay for
[02:36] <Snippy> BUT
[02:36] <farruinn> Anyone around know how to get an eMac modem to work?  I've tried, but I always get "connection script failed"
[02:36] <cafuego> f_newton: The ptoblem is the INDUSTRY is hurting 1) the consumer and 2) the small people.
[02:36] <Snippy> software should be free..
[02:36] <windex> Stormx, okay. when you write something GPL'd and release it, then microsoft integrates it into IE8, you'll be fine with that. :)
[02:36] <cafuego> f_newton: But because the industry can scream louder, the rest isn't heard.
[02:36] <f_newton> people should be rewarded for their hard work time and effort
[02:36] <Snippy> and anyway.. if I like a game, I go in the shop and buy it, just to SHOW the company that I like it
[02:36] <Snippy> I try the soft before I buy it
[02:36] <jrattner> can i install debian packages in ubuntu?
[02:36] <Stormx> windex: xD. They wouldn't, though, would they?
[02:36] <f_newton> this is a bit off topic right?
[02:37] <direwolf> bit
[02:37] <cafuego> f_newton: yeah :-)
[02:37] <f_newton> jrattner, yes mostly
[02:37] <Joose^> nickrud yeah, i know but now i have a pci modem
[02:37] <Stormx> windex: But if its under GPL, its fine
[02:37] <windex> Stormx, without copyright laws they could. the GPL depends *highly* on copyright law as it currently exists to function.
[02:37] <Joose^> i will buy the external
[02:37] <wooty> hy
[02:37] <nickrud> Joose^, you bas*#D :)
[02:37] <wooty> can someone help me please
[02:37] <jrattner> f_newton, using apt-get or whatever?
[02:37] <f_newton> yes jrattner
[02:37] <wooty> anyone please
[02:37] <Stormx> wooty: problem?
[02:37] <Joose^> nickrud hahaha :P
[02:37] <Snippy> I as student wont go in the shop "whoa cool, need to buy etc.." no.. I dont have the money to throw it away like that.. software IS NOT cheap.. it was way cheaper years ago.. right?
[02:37] <windex> Stormx, without a strong copyright system, the GPL license may as well be a public domain license.
[02:38] <chad> where is a good place to start learning the shell commands in linux?  man pages are good but, i wanna practise some
[02:38] <Snippy> I download it first, try it, study it hard and THEN if I really like it, I may consider buying it
[02:38] <jrattner> f_newton, ubuntu is the only distro that worked on my laptop, im brand new to it and the apt-get style of packaging any suggested readings?
[02:38] <Stormx> chad: Use FTP.
[02:38] <Stormx> wooty: What is your problem?
[02:38] <chad> ftp?
[02:38] <farruinn> chad: search google for shell tutorials or something, there are lots out there
[02:38] <wooty> well
[02:38] <Stormx> chad: Nevermind, then.
[02:38] <nickrud> Snippy, software has never been cheap: I spent over $200US in 1982 to get a decent implementation of forth
[02:38] <wooty> its really weird
[02:38] <wooty> i used the guide to install ubuntu from hd
[02:38] <windex> Snippy, actually software is a lot cheaper now.
[02:38] <wooty> whitout using a cd
[02:38] <Stormx> wooty: yes?
[02:39] <wooty> because i dont have cd burner
[02:39] <Snippy> oh you think?
[02:39] <Stormx> wooty: WTF!
[02:39] <direwolf> in 1982 it was a (comparatively) rare commodity
[02:39] <wooty> everything was working fine
[02:39] <Snippy> take this example:
[02:39] <Stormx> wooty: oh right. OK.........
[02:39] <wooty> but when i go to ubuntu install
[02:39] <f_newton> uh someone tell jrattner where to get info on apt-get
[02:39] <wooty> it says comresion file is invalid or something
[02:39] <spike> jrattner: sudo dpkg -i package_file.deb
[02:39] <wooty> and system gets locked up
[02:39] <nickrud> !find forth
[02:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'forth' (4 shown): gforth ;; kforth ;; pforth ;; yforth.
[02:39] <direwolf> man apt-get
[02:39] <f_newton> !apt-get
[02:39] <ubotu> rumour has it, apt-get is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[02:39] <nickrud> heh
[02:39] <Snippy> few years ago, here in my country we had another currency.. software was like 1000 LUF .. (+ - 20$ for a high end game)
[02:39] <Stormx> wooty: You're probably better off ordering a CD, or getting someone else to burn a CD for you.
[02:40] <jonathan_> can anyone help me switch from gnome to xfce?
[02:40] <Snippy> NOW with the EURO currency the price is doubled or triple
[02:40] <farruinn> jrattner: there should be a link on that wiki page to the Debian APT Howto, I highly suggest reading it
[02:40] <wooty> the problem is that i downloaded 600 mb
[02:40] <Stormx> wooty: HDD installation from a windows system is NOT recommended.
[02:40] <Snippy> then dont tell me it got cheaper.
[02:40] <f_newton> did you see that url there jrattner ?
[02:40] <wooty> and i really dont want em to go to waste
[02:40] <windex> Snippy, congratulations, your software prices match US software prices.
[02:40] <jonathan_> i installed xfce4 and all dependencies with synaptic
[02:40] <wooty> be right back storm
[02:40] <jrattner> farruinn, where is the link?
[02:40] <Stormx> kay
[02:40] <f_newton> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[02:40] <f_newton> * _Moz_
[02:40] <Snippy> now its like 60$ for a high end game..
[02:41] <direwolf> jonathan next time you login choose xfce session
[02:41] <Stormx> yes.
[02:41] <windex> Snippy, that has _nothing_ to do with software costs, btw. it has a lot more to do with exchange rates. the average game is in the $45-50 USD range.
[02:41] <f_newton> jrattner,   http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[02:41] <direwolf> on the login splash click session, choose xfce session
[02:41] <Snippy> and I just get 50$ / month where I must live with
[02:41] <windex> Snippy, for consoles, that can quickly be $55-60.
[02:41] <jonathan_> there will be an option on the login screen?
[02:41] <farruinn> jrattner: start from that link f_newton gave you, there should be a link to the Debian howto on that page
[02:41] <Snippy> no I mean PC games
[02:41] <Snippy> not consoles
[02:41] <Stormx> jonatha_: Yes, there is.
[02:41] <direwolf> if you installed through synaptic there should be
[02:41] <Snippy> I dont play on consoles:P
[02:41] <Stormx> Snippy: DIE DIE DIE
[02:41] <Stormx> Hey pow3r
[02:41] <Snippy> Stormx: WHY WHY WHY
[02:42] <jonathan_> thanks i'll try that!! should i remove gnome?
[02:42] <direwolf> if you only downloaded the package thatd be different
[02:42] <direwolf> NO
[02:42] <windex> Snippy, well, the thing is, games are a special exception where art has to be thrown in. new games take a lot more creative talent to produce than, say, pong.
[02:42] <Stormx> jonathan_: NO NO NO!
[02:42] <farruinn> any mac users here have their modems working correctly?
[02:42] <jonathan_> ok...
[02:42] <Stormx> farruinn: you mean on ubuntu?
[02:42] <Stormx> jonathan_ There is absolutely no need, they can co-exist!
[02:42] <direwolf> in fact when after you login to your xfce session you should enable starting gnome support
[02:42] <windex> Snippy, compare billing systems, for example. MASS 90, an old unix billing system a lot of small companies used, cost thousands of dollars. now you can go buy software like QuickBooks which has most of the same features for $400.
[02:43] <jonathan_> how should i enable gnome support?
[02:43] <Stormx> windex: Technology has got cheaper. You're point?
[02:43] <nickrud> windex, not to mention the Xenix (for example) up front costs
[02:43] <farruinn> Stormx: yeah, I'm trying on ubuntu now, but if you know how to on other distros it might be of help
[02:43] <windex> Stormx, he's saying software has gotten more expensive.
[02:43] <windex> nickrud, right.
[02:43] <direwolf> on the xfce panel click the lil scissors/pencil icon
[02:43] <dbernar1> your point, youre is short for you are.
[02:43] <Stormx> windex: rofl.
[02:43] <Snippy> Windex, see, 3 years ago, what did we had? high end games.. new games coming out every month.. and for THAT time it was really high-end and it involved much work too.. artwork etc.. for THAT time it was new etc..
[02:43] <direwolf> then choose sessions and startup then go to advanced tab
[02:44] <windex> Snippy, you are not complaining about the price of software, still. you are complaining about politics and exchange rates.
[02:44] <Stormx> farruinn: No idea. They should auto-detect it. What other distros?
[02:44] <jonathan_> ok thanks much!
[02:44] <Snippy> this may be, but the end effect is the same.. I have to give more money for a game than 3 years b4
[02:44] <Quest-Master> The enormous and overdone price-tags on lots of software not worth that much are sometimes just asking to be pirated. :P
[02:44] <jrattner> Are there any good sources i should put in my sources.list?
[02:44] <Stormx> Snippy: Most technology has got cheaper, some has got more expensive.
[02:45] <Snippy> this just doesnt work if I just get 50$/month
[02:45] <farruinn> Stormx: ok, well my eMac's modem isn't autodetected, I don't know what to do about that
[02:45] <Stormx> jrattner: Hang on.
[02:45] <windex> Stormx, he's not even talking about technology getting more expensive, he's talking about his countries favorable exchange rate going down the tubes. :)
[02:45] <farruinn> I've tried using /dev/ttys0 /dev/ttys1 etc. but I always get "script failed"
[02:45] <Stormx> jrattner: Still hanging in there?
[02:46] <Snippy> windex, that may be right
[02:46] <Snippy> but still.. I have to give more money
[02:46] <jrattner> Stormx, ok :  )
[02:46] <direwolf> you know if we had implemented a dual exchange rate with china we could cut the trade deficit (with china) in half?
[02:46] <windex> k. :)
[02:46] <Snippy> so my way to get the software if to download it!
[02:46] <Snippy> cuz I just dont have the money
[02:46] <Stormx> jrattner: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/330944
[02:46] <direwolf> -had
[02:46] <f_newton> bush doesnt care about that cuz he'll be out office by the time the us economy collapses and he'll blame it on some democrat
[02:46] <Stormx> jrattner: That should do the trick.
[02:47] <Snippy> and when I like a software, say Photoshop CS2 I buy it.. I bought Creative Suite 2.. wasnt cheap.. but I bought it.. to support the company because I work with the soft
[02:47] <Stormx> Snippy: HAHA OWNED
[02:47] <Stormx> OK, about software getting more expensive.
[02:47] <Stormx> Yes, it happens
[02:47] <windex> Snippy, then use open source. In small countries, big business like the BSA, RIAA, and MPAA have more sway, and can throw you in jail much easier.
[02:47] <Stormx> With the p2p revolution, more software is pirated
[02:47] <Stormx> so less people buy
[02:47] <Snippy> but why buy 2 games.. test em, they dont work , and jsut waste 120$? no thanks.
[02:47] <Stormx> so prices have to go up.
[02:48] <Xenguy> chad: this refcard looks interesting: http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/
[02:48] <Snippy> Stormx, thats right.. but WHY is this revolution ?
[02:48] <cafuego> Stormx: That would explain why profits for developers have increased then eh?
[02:48] <jrattner> Stormx, sick i figured i had the abbreviated version :   ) Now for my next question lets say i wanted to install a program such as gkrellm, Would it be best to use apt-get install gkrellm or use synpatic to search for it
[02:48] <cafuego> Stormx: Nice excuse, but reality doesn't seem to match.
[02:48] <Snippy> cafuego, they have?
[02:48] <direwolf> personally i have no need for priated software...just about everything i need even in windows is available as gpl or  freeware
[02:48] <Stormx> cauego: In most cases, yes.
[02:49] <wooty___> hy im back
[02:49] <jrattner> Stormx, should i include the numbers in my sources.list?
[02:49] <direwolf> windows though , i might pirate just for fun
[02:49] <direwolf> hahaha
[02:49] <cafuego> Snippy: yes, MPAA/RIAA members have seen profits increase, despite shipping far less units.
[02:49] <Xenguy> jrattner: learn both tools, and then choose your favourite :-)
[02:49] <Stormx> jrattner: No.
[02:49] <Snippy> cafuego, how come?
[02:49] <jrattner> Xenguy, is there any advantage to either tool?
[02:49] <wooty___> storm
[02:49] <Snippy> cafuego, how can that be possible? ^^
[02:49] <jrattner> Xenguy, I alaways used slackware before this
[02:49] <Stormx> jrattner: For software downloading, use synaptic, wherever possible
[02:49] <wooty___> i know its not recommended but i would really like if u could help me to install it
[02:49] <cafuego> Snippy: THAT is the question, eh?
[02:49] <Xenguy> jrattner: one is command-line, and one is a GUI
[02:49] <Snippy> cafuego: yes.
[02:49] <direwolf> think about it
[02:50] <jrattner> synpatic is just a gui for apt-get?
[02:50] <cafuego> Snippy: They reported it as "heavy losses due to coyright infringement"
[02:50] <jrattner> just making sure
[02:50] <wooty___> storm
[02:50] <Xenguy> jrattner: basically, yes
[02:50] <Stormx> jrattner: Think so.
[02:50] <Stormx> wooty__, yes?
[02:50] <jrattner> this was the only distro that would work on my laptop
[02:50] <Stormx> ^_^
[02:50] <jrattner> so im forced to learn and love it
[02:50] <Stormx> glad to hear it.
[02:50] <Stormx> Ubuntu = awesome
[02:50] <windex> cafuego, developer salaries have increased, but developer quality of life has lowered a lot, imho.
[02:50] <wooty___> storm so can u help me install it from windows please?
[02:50] <direwolf> bands/artists would be better off telling to people to dl their music, dl their albums whatever ...but if you do, buy a tshirt or some such thing ...
[02:50] <Stormx> If you can't use apt-get, download the .deb package and use dpkg -i <package name>
[02:50] <Xenguy> jrattner: it's a very nice distribution IMO
[02:50] <jrattner> Stormx, I like it so far, its great with hardware
[02:50] <cafuego> windex: it compiles, ship it
[02:51] <Snippy> cafuego: that doesnt fit in my brain.. less software is sold and developers get more money? something must be damn wrong in this world
[02:51] <direwolf> they get what $0.20/unit sold
[02:51] <jrattner> Xenguy, out of curiosity how come I cant su
[02:51] <Stormx> jrattner: Dude, you can't imagine how easy it is to get and install software!
[02:51] <wooty___> someone here can help me install ubuntu whitout using cd from windows
[02:51] <cafuego> Snippy: I'm talking about music/movies, not software.
[02:51] <wooty___> i already got all the config but i got some problems
[02:51] <direwolf> hahaha jk ...i think its like $ 1...depends on their contract but you get the idea
[02:51] <Stormx> wooty___ never tried it!
[02:51] <jrattner> wooty, anything compared to slackwares package management must be easier
[02:51] <direwolf> ack
[02:51] <Stormx> wooty___ it is going to be VERY differcult.
[02:51] <Xenguy> jrattner: Ubu takes a different approach to the old 'root' concept :-)
[02:52] <wooty___> i have all the config done
[02:52] <Xenguy> !sudo
[02:52] <ubotu> well, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:52] <wooty___> i just have to fix the problem
[02:52] <wooty___> and it will install alone
[02:52] <Snippy> cafuego, thats almost the same principe isnt it? they make a movie get LOTS of money, nobody watches it cuz they all dled it.. how come they get more money than b4?
[02:52] <Stormx> No idea.
[02:52] <wooty___> look my problem is that it says that the compression file is invalid
[02:52] <wooty___> and it locks up
[02:52] <wooty___> i tryed to make it bin
[02:52] <wooty___> but it didnt change at all
[02:53] <cafuego> Snippy: I think these days people don't weatch movuies becuase most movies they make these days are REALLY REALLY BAD.
[02:53] <direwolf> we also have to remember that all the figures we get are from the mapp/riaa anyway
[02:53] <direwolf> "studies" paid for by them etc
[02:53] <cafuego> Snippy: That's certainly the reason i spend $2 at the videos tore and not $40 at the cinema.
[02:53] <wooty___> i used the guide from http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28948.html
[02:53] <direwolf> i wouldnt trust a word of it
[02:53] <Snippy> cafuego, well.. that depends.. person A like "The ring" person B dislikes it..  hmm
[02:53] <Stormx> Guys, competion/ease of production and design pushes prices down! piracy/less customers pushes prices up!
[02:53] <jrattner1> Does synpatic and ksynpatic run off the same sources file?
[02:54] <Stormx> Yes.
[02:54] <cafuego> Stormx: Adam Smith was on crack.  Resize ntfs to 60 afetr doing the backup; create 100 EXT3. Copy data from ntfs to ext3, delete ntfs, expand ext3, copy back data from 120GB externals.
[02:56] <jrattner1> Stormx, when pasting what you sent me on pastebin into my sources.list synaptic gets angry saying it cant stat source package list and the addresses
[02:56] <wooty___> someone please help me
[02:57] <direwolf> hahaha
[02:57] <cafuego> Stormx: Takes some time, but will work.
[02:57] <wooty___> stuff here in south america isnt as cheap as in there
[02:57] <wooty___> so please dont tell me to buy a burner
[02:57] <Stormx> cafuego: No need
[02:57] <cafuego> Stormx: be SURE to defrag NTFS before resizing.
[02:57] <cafuego> wooty___: Get someone to mail you a cd.
[02:58] <wooty___> mail me?
[02:58] <Snippy> cafuego, I think, youre talking to the wrong person :o
[02:58] <Snippy> but im not sure..
[02:58] <wooty___> to south america?
[02:58] <cafuego> Snippy: I might be on crack too.
[02:58] <wooty___> lol
[02:58] <Snippy> I am the one who needs to backup 120gb ntfs
[02:58] <Stormx> I have 20 gigs on drive one VFAT for win98, 20 gigs on drive one NTFS for win2k, 60gb VFAT on drive B for whatever (music, anime), 20gb drive two ext3 for ubuntu.
[02:58] <cafuego> wooty___: Yeah, why not?
[02:58] <wooty___> lol
[02:58] <cafuego> wooty___: You _DO_ have a mail service there, right?
[02:58] <Snippy> oooh Anime?
[02:58] <Snippy> :D
[02:58] <wooty___> ya
[02:58] <Stormx> <3 anime.
[02:58] <wooty___> but
[02:58] <Snippy> Anime is cool
[02:58] <wooty___> nobody will be that nice
[02:58] <wooty___> and
[02:59] <Stormx> My friend sent me FMA through the post...
[02:59] <wooty___> i really dont want to wait 2 weeks
[02:59] <wooty___> to use ubuntu
[02:59] <jrattner1> Stormx, when pasting what you sent me on pastebin into my sources.list synaptic gets angry saying it cant stat source package list and the url of several of the links included? whats your take?
[02:59] <wooty___> if not more
[02:59] <Stormx> It got there and I realised I didn't have a DVD drive.
[02:59] <wibble> wooty___: http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[02:59] <wooty___> i got the install
[02:59] <wooty___> i just really want to just
[02:59] <wooty___> install it from windows
[02:59] <Stormx> jrattner1: You're bound to get errors. Did you paste everything correctly, without the numbers? Errors is normal, Seveas tells me.
[02:59] <wooty___> anyone know how?
[02:59] <Stormx> wooty: Yeh I know
[03:00] <Snippy> cafuego, so wait, the method is.. if I have 1 GB free on my ntfs partition.. I resize it.. make a ext3 one with the 1 gb.. take 1gb data from the ntfs one put it to the ext3 one.. resize ntfs.. make ext3 bigger again.. etc... ???
[03:00] <Stormx> wooty___ what's your address?
[03:00] <Stormx> I'll mail you a frickin' CD
[03:00] <jrattner1> Stormx, yes i pasted it without the numbers and its there correctly
[03:00] <wooty___> no
[03:00] <wooty___> dont
[03:00] <wooty___> thats not the problem
[03:00] <wooty___> i just want to figure out how to install it from windows
[03:00] <Stormx> jrattner1: When you open it, close the box with errors, do you get packages?
[03:00] <Stormx> wooty___: YOU CANT!
[03:00] <wooty___> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28948.html
[03:00] <wooty___> what is that all about then
[03:00] <Stormx> wooty___: It needs to frickin' change the MBR!
[03:01] <Stormx> Thats bullshit
[03:01] <Stormx> Get a cd
[03:01] <wooty___> changing the mbr is bad?
[03:01] <Stormx> ^_^ and have a nice day.
[03:01] <wooty___> lol
[03:01] <jrattner1> Stormx, the next dialogue is a popup saying my package informationg is out of date
[03:01] <Stormx> no, but it needs to install GRUB
[03:01] <wooty___> i got grub
[03:01] <Stormx> jrattner1: So update it.
[03:01] <Stormx> wooty___ is it installed to MBR?
[03:01] <jrattner1> Stormx, its going it
[03:01] <Stormx> (hd0)
[03:01] <wooty___> i have no idea
[03:01] <wooty___> i just folowed the guide
[03:02] <wooty___> and did what it said
[03:02] <h08817> i need some help here
[03:02] <h08817> ndiswrapper problem
[03:02] <Stormx> wooty___: With no idea what significance each step had?
[03:02] <Stormx> xD
[03:02] <Stormx> Look, I don't know man
[03:02] <Stormx> find someone who knows
[03:02] <wooty___> lol..
[03:02] <Stormx> get someone to burn you a disk
[03:02] <jrattner1> Stormx,  I like this it found the package i was looking for, will it automaitcally check dependencies?
[03:02] <Stormx> or get a damn disk bruner.
[03:02] <wooty___> well
[03:02] <wooty___> storm
[03:02] <Snippy> ohmy.. got lot of work to do with my ntfs crap partition..
[03:02] <wooty___> can u help me turn the changes back then please
[03:02] <Stormx> jrattner1: In synaptic, yes.
[03:02] <h08817> it says cp unknown file or directory
[03:02] <wooty___> i have no idea how to do it on my own
[03:03] <Stormx> Snippy: Mounting problems? BOY DO I HAVE A SCRIPT FOR YOU SIR!
[03:03] <wooty___> im afraid i might delete something i shouldnt
[03:03] <Snippy> uh?
[03:03] <Snippy> well
[03:03] <Stormx> Snippy: I have a kickass script that mounts them automaticly, updates fstab, and adds them to your "Computer" bit
[03:03] <JaZy84> can somone help me get mp3's working
[03:03] <Snippy> Stormx: what you mean? I just want to change my NTFS to ext3 oO
[03:03] <wooty___> stormx:can u help me please or no
[03:03] <Stormx> JaZy84: Yes
[03:03] <JaZy84> when i try to play them with xmms it just freezes
[03:04] <Stormx> wooty___: No, sorry
[03:04] <h08817> can someone get me online with my ubuntu system?
[03:04] <Stormx> JaZy84: Go into preferences, change the output plugin to eSound
[03:04] <wooty___> damn
[03:04] <Stormx> JaZy84: Its as simple as that
[03:04] <Snippy> oh and btw.. I got another problem.. maybe someone can help oO
[03:04] <wooty___> so i guess no one in all the channel knows how to install from windows
[03:04] <Stormx> Snippy: xD, has it got a windows OS on i?
[03:04] <wooty___> great =/
[03:04] <JaZy84> okay hold on lemme try that
[03:04] <wooty___> 2:30 hours wasted
[03:04] <Snippy> the fonts of my system.. are not really readable very well..
[03:04] <lJlolel> you can't have desktop icons in xfce right?
[03:04] <wooty___> and probably screwed up my computer
[03:04] <Stormx> wooty___, reply to the thread.
[03:05] <Snippy> Stormx, no, just looots of files
[03:05] <direwolf> correct ljlolel
[03:05] <lJlolel> direwolf, well, i just did
[03:05] <wooty___> storm
[03:05] <Stormx> Snippy: use VFAT, not ext3.
[03:05] <direwolf> did you start nautilus?
[03:05] <Stormx> VFAT = awesome.
[03:05] <wooty___> no ofence but writing there wont help me out
[03:05] <Snippy> whats VFAT now.. oO
[03:05] <wooty___> because i have no idea how to tell them what my problem is
[03:05] <Stormx> wooty___: Why not?
[03:05] <wooty___> the solution was coming here but it didnt work out
[03:05] <cafuego> wooty___: You were told you can't install from windows. Which part of that was too hard to grasp?
[03:05] <Stormx> wooty___: Look, I don't understand you're problem either, ok?
[03:05] <Snippy> is it bad that I choose ext3 to install ubuntu on ?
[03:06] <wooty___> cafuego
[03:06] <nickrud> wooty___, maybe you can restate?
[03:06] <wooty___> yes u can
[03:06] <Stormx> wooty___: You're problem is unknown to me, try again tomorow.
[03:06] <wooty___> restate?
[03:06] <Stormx> nickrud: You are so useless xD
[03:06] <wooty___> what u mean
[03:06] <h08817> netgear wg111 usb to get online (how do i do it in linux)
[03:06] <Stormx> nah just kidding.
[03:06] <avanspronsen> Snippy: ext3 is fine
[03:06] <wooty___> ooo
[03:06] <wooty___> thats a good idea
[03:06] <nickrud> Stormx, everyone's useless sometimes xP
[03:07] <Snippy> mhm
[03:07] <Snippy> and what is VFAT?
[03:07] <direwolf> starting nautilus is fine but will slow ya down some
[03:07] <direwolf> fat32
[03:07] <PlanarPlatypus> does anyone here know where PGP support is hidden in the hoary install of evolution?
[03:07] <direwolf> ?
[03:07] <cafuego> PlanarPlatypus: gnupg
[03:07] <Stormx> Snippy: VFAT is File Allocation Tables: Its basicly readable in Windows and Linux.
[03:07] <Snippy> readable..
[03:07] <h08817> when i am doing this: ndiswrapper -i netwg111.inf do i need to do like E:\drivers\netwg111.inf for the install file?
[03:07] <avanspronsen> Stormx: no journaling though?
[03:07] <Snippy> and writable?
[03:07] <h08817> or what do i do?
[03:07] <wooty___> o man
[03:07] <Stormx> journaling? It has write support, too.
[03:07] <wooty___> coming here was useless what a pitty
[03:08] <cafuego> h08817: You will need the .inf, the .sys and possibly firmware.
[03:08] <wooty___> who would had tought nobody knew how =P
[03:08] <h08817> cafuego: how do i do that
[03:08] <cafuego> wooty___: You can get paid support if we're not to your likinh.
[03:08] <Stormx> wooty___ try again tomorow.
[03:08] <h08817> i mean step by step
[03:08] <Snippy> but I cant change my NTFS partition to another filesystem without destroying the data.. THATS my problem
[03:08] <avanspronsen> Stormx: journaling? transactions?
[03:08] <h08817> so i am sitting at my terminal and what do i type?
[03:08] <Stormx> Snippy: Heres what you do.
[03:08] <Stormx> Snippy: How much of it is used?
[03:09] <PlanarPlatypus> cafuego, ah found it, it is somewhat obtuse though
[03:09] <Snippy> Stormx, well it's almost full, but I dont really know cuz I dont see the partition under linux
[03:09] <Stormx> Snippy: You can get read support in linux of NTFS.
[03:09] <cafuego> PlanarPlatypus: 'seahorse' does gui key management.
[03:09] <Stormx> Snippy: Why do you have an NTFS partition with no windows on it?
[03:10] <Snippy> I had windows on THIS partition
[03:10] <Stormx> I really have to go.
[03:10] <Snippy> it was just meant to be a partition for my files
[03:10] <JaZy84> Stormx the esound make it not freeze it looks like it's playing but nothing coming out of speakers.
[03:10] <Stormx> I'll be back in 12 hours.
[03:10] <Snippy> no windows
[03:10] <avanspronsen> Snippy: you have no where to move the data?
[03:10] <Stormx> JaZy84: You have sound on?
[03:10] <Snippy> no
[03:10] <JaZy84> yeah.
[03:10] <PlanarPlatypus> cafuego, fair enough, I was actually trying to find the "is this mail signed" information but it seems to doesn't tell you if they are signed with your own key
[03:10] <JaZy84> like the sounds within gnome work fine.
[03:10] <Stormx> Applications > Sound and Video > Volume control
[03:10] <h08817> i am about 5min from walking away from freakin linux
[03:10] <Stormx> Also check volume control on XMMS
[03:10] <avanspronsen> I don;t believe there is any tool that will help you do an in place change to a filesystem
[03:11] <direwolf> why h08817
[03:11] <Stormx> avanspronsen: No, its not possible.
[03:11] <Snippy> well,a friend told me that he did it once
[03:11] <Snippy> but
[03:11] <Stormx> HE LIED ^_&
[03:11] <h08817> b/c i don't know anything about it and i can't get internet on my linux machine
[03:11] <avanspronsen> Snippy: I have never heard of it
[03:11] <dbernar1> h08817: youll be back:)
[03:11] <Snippy> yea.. it killed his hdd afterwards
[03:11] <h08817> i hope
[03:11] <dbernar1> h08817: what ISP?
[03:11] <h08817> comcast
[03:11] <h08817> its my netgear wg111 usb
[03:11] <dbernar1> WEll, I can hel pyou with that.
[03:11] <avanspronsen> Snippy: how much data?
[03:12] <Snippy> he had it running for few hours somehow
[03:12] <dbernar1> Ah, wireless...:-/
[03:12] <direwolf> ok first take deep breath
[03:12] <h08817> ok
[03:12] <Stormx> Peace people.
[03:12] <dbernar1> You are shootinhg too high, can you get wires?
[03:12] <Snippy> I dont know exactly.. its a 120 GB partition
[03:12] <Stormx> Bai
[03:12] <JaZy84> it was using oss instead of ALSA
[03:12] <avanspronsen> Snippy: I would be skeptical
[03:12] <h08817> no
[03:12] <dbernar1> cya Stormx
[03:12] <Snippy> I am
[03:12] <direwolf> no im going to use google and see what we come up with
[03:12] <Stormx> Dude. You have way to much porn ^_^
[03:12] <avanspronsen> Stormx: :-)
[03:12] <Snippy> lol
[03:12] <Stormx> Cya 12 hours.
[03:12] <Snippy> cya :)
[03:12] <Stormx> (really this time)
[03:12] <Snippy> hehe
[03:12] <dbernar1> h08817: look up ndiswrapper on google, and find the list of supported cards, then find yours on there,
[03:13] <dbernar1> Or, search for your card model+linux on google, se if it is supported.
[03:13] <h08817> dbernar1: once i do that then what
[03:13] <Snippy> can someone tell me how I get linux to display my ntfs partition? to check the free space on it
[03:13] <h08817> i tried the command ndiswrapper -i netwg111.inf
[03:13] <h08817> and i got an error
[03:13] <h08817> unable to find file or directory
[03:14] <h08817> so is it the wrong card i found the information in a post on the forums
[03:14] <Snippy> avanspronsen ?
[03:14] <JDahl> Snippy, cant you mount it and use df ?
[03:14] <arbir> hello
[03:14] <dbernar1> find the model on the list, to know it is supported.
[03:14] <direwolf> h08817 were you in the directory where you inf and driver file(s) are located?
[03:14] <h08817> no they are on a cd
[03:14] <Snippy> how can I mount it? and what is df ?
[03:14] <arbir> i need to do a /etc/init.d/networking restart each time i boot my machine.. why is that so ?
[03:14] <dbernar1> then get the files from the CD or, somewhere, then do the ndiswrapped, you need the file.
[03:14] <dbernar1> copy them over.
[03:15] <h08817> where should i put the files?
[03:15] <arbir> if i do an ifconfig i see my eth0 device with the correct IP address and yet i cannot ping my network unless i restart the service
[03:15] <Snippy> JDahl, how can I mount it? and what is df ?
[03:15] <direwolf> it would be easiest to copy them to your home folder
[03:15] <slipaway172> ok who ever told me that running ubuntu under xfce4 on a via mobo and c3 cpu deserves to be shot and killed.
[03:15] <h08817> ok but i have to be root to install it
[03:15] <avanspronsen> Snippy: you need to make a dir on /mnt
[03:16] <JDahl> Snippy, mount it like any other partition. Google on "fstab tutorial" or something. 'df' is a program - diskfree
[03:16] <direwolf> or make a directory in your home folder "windows_driver" or the like
[03:16] <direwolf> then copy them there
[03:16] <arbir> Snippy: df tells you about ur diff partitions on ur system
[03:16] <direwolf> yes thats ok
[03:16] <avanspronsen> Snippy: then  something like: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o,ro
[03:16] <Snippy> ahh
[03:16] <dbernar1> you can copy files anywhere, but need to know where they are.
[03:16] <direwolf> you sudo ndiswrapper -i driver.inf
[03:16] <arbir> Snippy: df -H
[03:16] <Snippy> oh my
[03:16] <dbernar1> There is this concept of specifying the absolute or relative path in unix.
[03:16] <Snippy> slowly please :)
[03:16] <h08817> but i must be in that directory to install it right?
[03:16] <Snippy> what should I do now?
[03:17] <h08817> what is sudo?
[03:17] <dbernar1> /var/www/index.html is an absolute path, cause it starts at /
[03:17] <avanspronsen> Snippy: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[03:17] <h08817> why do i have to use it
[03:17] <direwolf> sudo lets you run as root
[03:17] <slipaway172> su is better
[03:17] <arbir> h08817: sudo gives u super user privs. each time u use it
[03:17] <direwolf> !sudo
[03:17] <ubotu> sudo is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:17] <h08817> i have seen that but what argument should i use
[03:17] <dbernar1> www/index.html from /var would do the same, but relative to the place you are at at that time.
[03:17] <Snippy> avanspronsen, done
[03:17] <h08817> -l -k ?
[03:18] <avanspronsen> mount
[03:18] <avanspronsen> sorry
[03:18] <direwolf> h08817 easiest to take this step at a time
[03:18] <traveller> what is keeping my dvd in the tray when i press the eject button? i have to right click on the icon to eject it, is there a way i can make it so i can just press the button on the drive?
[03:18] <Snippy> uh
[03:18] <h08817> yeah but i have to leave this chat to go try this
[03:18] <arbir> h08817: if you need to run a super user command eg. apt-get update
[03:18] <Snippy> sudo mkdir /mount/windows
[03:18] <Snippy> ?
[03:18] <h08817> i am on a dual boot system with xp and ubuntu
[03:18] <arbir> h08817: you cannot run it with sudo like this '  sudo apt-get update'
[03:18] <slipaway172> thats sad
[03:18] <h08817> aye this is so hard
[03:19] <h08817> no wonder everyone uses windows
[03:19] <arbir> but if you try to run as normal use it wont let you run the command @ h08817
[03:19] <arbir> h08817: its not hard, its diff. changes take a while to sink
[03:19] <Xenguy> traveller: maybe it needs to be 'unmounted' first?
[03:19] <h08817> well i'll go try this sudo root or whatever copy files to hd thing and see if it works
[03:19] <Xenguy> traveller: just a guess
[03:19] <arbir> can anybody pls help me with my netowoking ? :-(
[03:19] <dbernar1> gtg. :(
[03:19] <traveller> Xenguy: isn't there a way it can be done automatically? i find it quite annoying i have to unmount it everytime before i even try to push the button
[03:20] <matsur> Hi all, how do you get Cool 'n' Quiet working w/ amd64?
[03:20] <h08817> is there anything i have to do after it is installed to get online?
[03:20] <Xenguy> arbir: I saw your Q - that sounds quite odd
[03:20] <arbir> Xenguy: and i have not been able to figure out whats the real problem
[03:21] <Xenguy> traveller: I've never bothered to investigate, but I've heard of systems like 'automount' etc.
[03:21] <direwolf> h08817: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[03:21] <h08817> what is that for?
[03:21] <hubsi> is there any tv program besides xawtv and tvtime?
[03:21] <direwolf> how to set up ndiswrapper
[03:21] <h08817> and what files do i need exactly from the cd
[03:21] <h08817> just the inf?
[03:21] <arbir> Xenguy: its such a pain to goto the console each time i reboot my machine
[03:21] <traveller> Xenguy: from what i understand, gnome-volume-manager handles the mounting and unmounting...is there a remote possibility that it's related to some options there?
[03:21] <Xenguy> arbir: have you messed around with your boot-up scripts lately?
[03:22] <direwolf> .inf, .sys, .cat (if there)
[03:22] <arbir> Xenguy: NO.. it was always a problem like that
[03:22] <direwolf> please refer to
[03:22] <direwolf> h08817: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[03:22] <Xenguy> traveller: could be - I really have no idea on this question
[03:22] <h08817> i just went there
[03:22] <traveller> Xenguy: ok, thanks
[03:22] <h08817> whatever bb in 15min
[03:22] <direwolf> it walks you through setting up ndiswrapper
[03:22] <lui> hello people!
[03:22] <direwolf> print it out
[03:22] <h08817> i'll print it and try it
[03:23] <h08817> thanks for the help
[03:23] <direwolf> hth
[03:23] <lui> anyone has seen Seveas?
[03:23] <arbir> hi fiona
[03:24] <Xenguy> arbir: have you been able to google the problem at all ?
[03:24] <arbir> Xenguy: what do i google for ? i dont know how to start my query .. its so weird
[03:24] <Xenguy> yeah
[03:26] <arbir> hopes Xenguy can find an answer...
[03:26] <fiona> hi arbir
[03:27] <arbir> hi fiona talk here pls. dontsend me private messages
[03:29] <arbir> fiona.. please dont PM me
[03:29] <direwolf> getting memory for this old laptop tomorrow, huzzah!
[03:29] <direwolf> will still be a poc though
[03:30] <direwolf> the hardware portion anyway , ubuntu portion is great :)
[03:31] <Spudchat> hi everyone...my firefox stopped working so i uninstalled it
[03:31] <Spudchat> i was wonderin what package i should install now
[03:31] <direwolf> i might try to get the winmodem working just for kicks
[03:32] <Chaotic_Reality> Spudchat, what happened with firefox? things don't just don't stop working for no reason. :)
[03:32] <Syco54645> i am looking for a good pdf viewer
[03:32] <direwolf> mozilla-firefox
[03:32] <Syco54645> xpdf isnt opening the files that i have right
[03:32] <Syco54645> ghostview is working, but i want to go through it fast and it isnt letting me... any ideas?
[03:33] <avanspronsen> Syco54645: Evince?
[03:33] <Spudchat> it just stopped loading
[03:33] <Spudchat> it says loading but nothing ever happens
[03:33] <direwolf> its notoriously slow startup
[03:33] <direwolf> once it loads it should be ok though
[03:33] <arbir> Xenguy: i found this problem but no answer even in that Ubuntu forum
[03:33] <Spudchat> i know but it should load eventually
[03:33] <Spudchat> it wont even load
[03:33] <Syco54645> avanspronsen, thanks ill take a look at it
[03:34] <servvs> umm
[03:34] <servvs> did your firefox ever work?
[03:34] <Chaotic_Reality> Spudchat, do you have any processes running?  try ps -aux |grep mozilla-firefox and see if there's a running process...if so kill it, then try
[03:34] <Spudchat> when ubuntu was first installed
[03:34] <servvs> umm
[03:34] <servvs> h/o a sec
[03:34] <avanspronsen> Syco54645: depends on mono
[03:34] <servvs> i think you need to tweak it
[03:34] <Spudchat> its not runnin
[03:35] <servvs> have you ever tweaked it?
[03:35] <TheDemon> if you uninstalled it it's not going to load, lol
[03:35] <Spudchat> nope
[03:35] <Syco54645> avanspronsen, what?
[03:35] <Spudchat> lol i uninstalled it then reinstalled it
[03:35] <TheDemon> oh
[03:35] <Snippy> does anyone know a GOOD partitioning tool (free) with a user-friendly menu ?
[03:35] <Xenguy> arbir: yeah, I'm not having much luck searching
[03:36] <arbir> Xenguy: i found something
[03:36] <arbir> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26432.html
[03:36] <TheDemon> Spudchat: look in synaptic and see if "mozilla-firefox gnome support" is installed
[03:36] <TheDemon> i think it's called that, i'm not posotive
[03:36] <direwolf> qtparted
[03:36] <TheDemon> you need that and the firefox base
[03:36] <Syco54645> avanspronsen, oh i used apt-get if that is what you meant, i dont worry about dependencies when i can use that
[03:37] <Syco54645> it does take a bit of time to render the thumb nails though
[03:37] <Syco54645> but that is ok
[03:37] <TheDemon> yes, qtparted is very nice
[03:37] <Spudchat> it wasnt so i installed it
[03:37] <Snippy> thanks direwolf
[03:37] <avanspronsen> Syco54645: ya, just that some people are put off a bit by mono, or installing mono just for 1 app.  doesn't bother me though
[03:37] <fr500> Snippy, gparted woks for me
[03:37] <jrattner1> How do I set up hotkeys in KDE?
[03:37] <Snippy> thanks
[03:37] <direwolf> np
[03:37] <Spudchat> it still wont load though
[03:38] <Snippy> just started it.. it shows no devices
[03:38] <LinuxJones> jrattner1, you might be better off asking that in #kubuntu
[03:38] <servvs> Spudchat, take a look at this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42949&highlight=firefox+tweak
[03:39] <Snippy> nevermind works now
[03:39] <Syco54645> avanspronsen, i am put off by the lack of programs in the repository, but i am learning to deal with it... like having my own repository set up... know anything about it, like if it will be able to handle dependencies?  because from what i see, the deb files are no more than a redhat rpm style of thing when used with dpkg -i foo.deb
[03:39] <Xenguy> arbir: broadcast, eh?  Looks like a good page for ideas to explore... bit like searching for a needle in a haystack
[03:39] <Spudchat> i cant
[03:39] <Xenguy> arbir: good luck
[03:39] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, you have universe and multiverse repos enabled ?
[03:39] <Spudchat> no web browser unless i can see it from the terminal
[03:39] <Syco54645> will it get the dependencies if i build my own repository for a few apps that i use that arnt in it already?
[03:40] <avanspronsen> Syco54645: lack of programs?
[03:40] <jrattner1> Is there any way to make grub, graphical in begining?
[03:40] <Syco54645> yes a lack
[03:40] <Syco54645> valknut isnt there
[03:40] <servvs> wtf
[03:40] <Syco54645> nor are the frontends to dvdauthor
[03:40] <servvs> oops, wrong chan
[03:40] <h08817> ok it didn't work
[03:40] <juanej> why synaptic uploader try to download firefox everytime?
[03:40] <Syco54645> and yes valknut is dcgui-qt, but that is old... very old, like from 2003... the newest is .3.7 and i dont see it there
[03:41] <arbir> Thanks Xenguy
[03:41] <arbir> Xenguy: let me go down to my basement where my server is
[03:41] <Xenguy> arbir: I'd be interested in knowing the solution when you get there :-)
[03:42] <Syco54645> i mean if someone can prove me wrong (and i hope they can) then please do it
[03:42] <arbir> Xenguy: sure
[03:42] <Syco54645> this is the only thing that is turning me off of ubuntu
[03:42] <arbir> Xenguy: if you notice... both the broadcasts are fine in that forum
[03:42] <arbir> Xenguy: it means that the problem was diff
[03:42] <arbir> is gone down
[03:42] <h08817> direwolf: it wouldn't let me load the module in the kernel
[03:42] <Xenguy> arbir: ahh, I didn't read closely enough then
[03:42] <jrattner1> im not sure if ubuntu is reconising my 2 gigs of ram, is there any way to find out
[03:43] <direwolf> what was the error message?
[03:43] <patricia> hy foks! I'm a brand new user in linux/ubuntu and I need some help.
[03:43] <magneto> high patricia
[03:43] <h08817> fatal: couldn't copy to /lib/some number /net yada yada yada
[03:43] <patricia> hi magneto
[03:43] <direwolf> h08177: i asuume you did "sudo modprobe -i ndiswrapper"
[03:43] <magneto> !hi ubotu
[03:43] <ubotu> magneto: I give up, what is it?
[03:43] <h08817> no
[03:43] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, can i pm you what i have in my /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[03:44] <Snippy> thank you guys for the help
[03:44] <Snippy> I'm off now :)
[03:44] <direwolf> h08177: you just did "modprobe -i ndiswrapper" ?
[03:44] <neil__> hi all
[03:44] <h08817> direwolf: i became root and did modprobe ndiswrapper
[03:44] <Snippy> good bye
[03:44] <h08817> i didn't know i needed -i
[03:44] <magneto> patricia: what problems are u having?
[03:44] <h08817> it isn't on that paper
[03:44] <patricia> Here is the first question: the configuration menu of some aplications are too small! Why? Other things are just fine, like openoffice, etc..
[03:44] <h08817> or the sudo part
[03:44] <direwolf> try "sudo modprobe -i ndiswrapper"
[03:45] <direwolf> -i tells it install or insert (easy way to remember)
[03:45] <Chaotic_Reality> does apt-get update, update all the latest software for apt-get to grab as far as software patches and such?
[03:45] <h08817> do i need to do sudo when installing it also?
[03:45] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, I will post it to pastebin 1 sec
[03:45] <h08817> sudo ndiswrapper -i netwg111.inf?
[03:45] <direwolf> if you want to remove its -r
[03:45] <patricia> example: xine, xmms, rhuthmbox, ...
[03:45] <jrattner1> Stormx, im not sure if ubuntu is reconising my 2 gigs of ram, is there any way to find out?
[03:45] <direwolf> h08177 yeah
[03:45] <h08817> ok bb in 10min please don't leave
[03:46] <Sakara> hello
[03:46] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, ok that is just fine... thanks.  i should also mention that my main drive died and i have not gotten a new one yet, so i am running my system on the live cd.
[03:46] <Xenguy> Chaotic_Reality: it should yes (assuming configuration of /etc/apt/sources.list is fine)
[03:46] <Sakara> can somebody help me?:D
[03:46] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, >> http://pastebin.ca/19467
[03:46] <Chaotic_Reality> Xenguy, is it good to update before installing something, or just once a day is good?
[03:46] <Syco54645> jrattner1, type free -m
[03:46] <DonL> patricia, is your screen resolution to your liking?
[03:46] <Goodspeed> someone wanna help me with my networking woes?
[03:46] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, ohh
[03:46] <Sakara> can somebody help me?
[03:47] <Sakara> how can i listen mp3s with my linux
[03:47] <Chaotic_Reality> Sakara, install xmms
[03:47] <Sakara> ubuntu
[03:47] <Sakara> how?
[03:47] <Xenguy> Chaotic_Reality: before you install is my preference
[03:47] <Sakara> im new
[03:47] <Chaotic_Reality> sudo apt-get install xmms
[03:47] <jrattner1> Syco54645, it says total 885
[03:47] <avanspronsen> Sakara: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[03:47] <Goodspeed> what's the linux game where you're an eskimo
[03:47] <Goodspeed> that's like animal crossing?
[03:47] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, figured i would leave gentoo once and for all and what a better reason than to have my hd crash (the install was about 4 years old)
[03:47] <Syco54645> jrattner1, then i would say that it isnt
[03:47] <Chaotic_Reality> Xenguy, thanks.  That's what I do in FreeBSD with ports, otherwise something will break if it was recently updated.
[03:48] <Xenguy> Chaotic_Reality: assuming you're not on dial-up ;-)
[03:48] <Chaotic_Reality> Xenguy, what's that? :)
[03:48] <jrattner1> Syco54645, how do i enable it?
[03:48] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, heh, welcome aboard you will love Ubuntu :)
[03:49] <Syco54645> jrattner1, i am not sure i only have 768 gigs of ram
[03:49] <patricia> DonL, what? The screen resolution is fine, very good quality.
[03:49] <JaZy84> anyone know of a emulator for ppc linux
[03:49] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, thanks... and i hope that i do.  i would be happier if i could get the newest versions of programs tho and not have to compile by hand... libc6 isnt fun to have to do by hand
[03:49] <Sakara> hmm
[03:50] <Sakara> i dont understand :D
[03:50] <avanspronsen> Sakara: what don't you understand?
[03:50] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, is valknut in your repos?
[03:50] <Sakara> how i can play mp3s
[03:50] <Sakara> libmad0 (multiverse)- MP3 support for non-gstreamer players
[03:50] <Xenguy> !mp3
[03:50] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[03:51] <Goodspeed> what's the linux game that's like animal crossing?
[03:51] <Goodspeed> i jsut saw it on g4
[03:51] <jrattner1> how do i load high memory support so it reconizes my 2 gigs?
[03:51] <DonL> Goodspeed, never heard of animal crossing. sorry
[03:51] <Goodspeed> you play an eskimo
[03:51] <Syco54645> Goodspeed, check out gentoo-portage.com it is a nice way to browse games... maybe you could find it in there
[03:51] <Goodspeed> you upgarde your house
[03:51] <avanspronsen> Anyone know if there is a way to get a list of what the ubotu bot knows about?
[03:52] <Sakara> fuck...
[03:52] <Sakara> im stupid
[03:52] <direwolf> welcome to my world
[03:53] <Quest-Master> http://cronopios.net/blog/wp-content/vivsemacs.png
[03:53] <Sakara> i just cant find anything that could help me :D
[03:53] <Chaotic_Reality> Sakara, I already told you how to install xmms, which is just like winamp.
[03:53] <Sakara> really?:D
[03:53] <Sakara> when
[03:53] <Chaotic_Reality> sudo apt-get install xmms
[03:53] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, valknut is not in the repos, good news is that hopefully breezy will be getting relatively stable in the next month or so :)
[03:54] <arbir> Xenguy: are you there ?
[03:54] <Sakara> it does nothing?
[03:54] <Xenguy> arbir: yep
[03:54] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, think they will add it in then??  i mean valknut has been called such for over a year
[03:54] <direwolf> huh
[03:54] <avanspronsen> Chaotic_Reality: that doesn't include mp3 by default
[03:54] <arbir> Xenguy: can you paste what is in ur /etc/networking/interfaces file ?
[03:54] <Xenguy> arbir: hang on
[03:54] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, I don't even know what that program does....what is it ?
[03:54] <Chaotic_Reality> avanspronsen, seemed to work for me with only having to adjust my output.
[03:54] <patricia> Could someone help me?
[03:55] <Sakara> chaotic where it should come?:D
[03:55] <Sakara> that program
[03:55] <dandelion> patricia: it all depends on what your problem is
[03:55] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, it is a directconnect program... i trade smashing pumpkins and other concerts, so i kinda need it
[03:55] <Syco54645> not that i cant compile it by hand
[03:55] <Syco54645> i am just getting lazy in my old age
[03:55] <Chaotic_Reality> Sakara, after it's installed you should be able to open it under Applications->Sound & Video->XMMS
[03:55] <avanspronsen> the following doc talks about enabling mp3 support : http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:56] <Sakara> no,i cant see it
[03:56] <Chaotic_Reality> then it's not installed...
[03:56] <DonL> patricia, everything is too small for you to read? You might check your screen resolution and see if you can change it from say 1024x768 to 800x600. If you're new to linux maybe that's the problem. Under windows maybe it was a different resolution
[03:56] <fr500> Syco54645, and the chat, is it IRC?
[03:56] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, well thanks for all of your help... i doubt that i will use anything but ubuntu once i get a new drive
[03:56] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, there may be Debian packages that you may be able to install
[03:57] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, cool :)
[03:57] <avanspronsen> Sakara: look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats .  let us know if you get tripped up
[03:57] <Syco54645> fr500 the chat is not irc... it is like irc but it is made by neomadus
[03:57] <fr500> ok
[03:57] <fr500> looks cool
[03:57] <DonL> patricia, if the problem seems system-wide that may be the problem.
[03:57] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, i am no stranger to having to compile stuff myself (used to use mandrake and i refuse to use rpms)
[03:57] <fr500> it's like the idea behind original napster or something?
[03:58] <Syco54645> fr500 kinda, except live music sharing is legal
[03:58] <fr500> oh
[03:58] <fr500> ol
[03:58] <Syco54645> see thetradersden.org
[03:58] <Syco54645> or dimeadozen.org
[03:58] <arbir> will beback
[03:58] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, can't blame you for that :D
[03:58] <Syco54645> even archive.org
[03:58] <patricia> DonL, just the some menu of some aplications. Not all!! The resolution, 1200x800 is fine! But I can't read some menus of Xine, for exemplo.
[03:58] <fr500> and how does it ensure it's live?
[03:58] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, i went with gentoo back when debian was a pain to get through the install
[03:59] <Syco54645> fr500 there are ops like me that check to make sure noone is sharing mp3s
[03:59] <fr500> oh
[03:59] <fr500> ok
[03:59] <avanspronsen> Syco54645: and gentoo was easier ;-)
[03:59] <Syco54645> most people dont encode cds to shn or flac
[03:59] <khaije1> i do
[03:59] <DonL> In that case, sorry, patricia . Mine is fine and I don't know what is your problem. 1200x800 sounds like a laptop resolution. Is it?
[03:59] <direwolf> i do
[03:59] <Syco54645> avanspronsen, everyone says that... it wasnt too hard.  the old debian installed used to die on me.  knoppix made it nicer
[04:00] <jrattner1> How do i configure my system for high memory support
[04:00] <Syco54645> ok well then the idiots that come to the hubs dont encode cds to flac or shn
[04:00] <Syco54645> and besides the hubs are very well patrolled and not in the main hub lists
[04:00] <Syco54645> so it is really a word of mouth thing
[04:00] <khaije1> for backup to dvd, then make lossy copies for other digital media sources
[04:00] <h08817> direwolf, i'm back
[04:00] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, things have come a long way in the last 2 years or so.
[04:00] <Syco54645> khaije1, well the normal kazaa user doesnt
[04:01] <Syco54645> LinuxJones, yeah i know... the 2.6 kernel is finally good too
[04:01] <Syco54645> :P
[04:01] <khaije1> ahh... granted
[04:01] <Syco54645> and i like this community
[04:01] <Syco54645> no more elitists
[04:01] <quarupted> Me too
[04:01] <Syco54645> finally a linux that is nice
[04:01] <DonL> Me too
[04:01] <direwolf> howd it go h08177
[04:02] <h08817> direwolf, no luck i got this message    fatal: error inserting ndiswrapper  (lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko)  operatoin not permitted
[04:02] <quarupted> Gentoo is nice as well
[04:02] <LinuxJones> Syco54645, yeah 2.6.0 was a big dissapointment for me.
[04:02] <Goodspeed> DigiPen
[04:02] <Goodspeed> !!
[04:02] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[04:02] <Goodspeed> i found it!
[04:02] <patricia> DonL, yeah! It is a notebook, a compaq
[04:02] <direwolf> and you did " sudo modprobe -i ndiswrapper "?
[04:02] <h08817> yes
[04:02] <h08817> i did sudo everything
[04:03] <DonL> patricia, they go their own way, and I'm afraid I'm out of my area of expertise there.
[04:03] <JaZy84> i'm getting an error that says something about libstdc++ trys to open it but doesn't find that file or directory can i install this lib
[04:04] <Xenguy> arbir: are you there now?
[04:04] <jrattner1> where can i get the ubuntu smp kernel
[04:04] <patricia> DonL, ok! I'll try to change resolution later....
[04:04] <h08817> direwolf, any clue?
[04:05] <direwolf> nope
[04:05] <h08817> any clue why that happens?
[04:05] <DonL> patricia, "System, Preferences, Screen Resolution"
[04:05] <patricia> Now, one more question:  I can't open doc files, ou mp3 files in other machines, why???
[04:05] <h08817> also can u give me a link that will tell me a little more about what sudo does?
[04:06] <patricia> But, if I copy it to my ubuntu, so, a can read/listen it perfectly! What is the problem?
[04:06] <Sakara> damn!
[04:06] <Sakara> still i cant listen mp3s :D
[04:06] <DonL> I guess that means you should be running Ubuntu on the other machines, patricia
[04:07] <avanspronsen> Sakara: did you follow the instructions?
[04:07] <patricia> haha... but I can't do it!
[04:07] <balzac> holy smokes, i'm having a bad time trying to install my stupid intel 537EP modem
[04:07] <balzac> i think i'm going to just buy an external USR modem
[04:07] <patricia> It is a configuration problem?
[04:07] <Sakara> i tried
[04:07] <direwolf> !sudo
[04:07] <balzac> i'm a linux newb
[04:07] <ubotu> somebody said sudo was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:08] <jrattner1> where can i get the ubuntu smp kernel?
[04:08] <Sakara> i opened synatic package manage
[04:08] <balzac> if i weren't bald already, i'd be pulling my hair out
[04:08] <h08817> !sudo
[04:08] <ubotu> [sudo]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:08] <h08817> thanks
[04:08] <arbir> Xenguy: are you there now ? i am back up from my basement
[04:08] <h08817> i might have a site let me know what u think
[04:08] <h08817> direwolf, http://www.harry-b.de/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=harry:wlan
[04:08] <balzac> i have to hand it to the linux community for perseverance in the face of pitiful hardware support
[04:09] <balzac> all these years of getting treated as an after-thought by the hardware manufacturers...
[04:09] <DonL> balzac, I have more hardware problems in this house with my wife's XP and my son's 98
[04:09] <balzac> DonL, you must be good at selecting hardware
[04:10] <jrattner1> WHERE CAN I GET KERNELS FOR UBUNTU?
[04:10] <DonL> Well, I do think about that when I buy it, but I find the linux distros have more ability to recognize more hardware now
[04:10] <balzac> i just thought i'd try to get this crappy intel modem working, but it was too much for me.
[04:11] <balzac> it's theoretically possible
[04:11] <seth_k> jrattner1, from Synaptic
[04:11] <jrattner1> seth_k, are you sure?
[04:11] <DonL> balzac, sorry but I haven't needed a modem for a while. I use ADSL and love it
[04:11] <holycow> jrattner1, apt-cache search kernel
[04:11] <seth_k> jrattner1, sure. They're called linux-image-***
[04:11] <balzac> that's another one of my gripes, no broadband where i live
[04:11] <jrattner1> im just trying to install the smp kernel
[04:12] <DonL> balzac, that's too bad. Once you have it there, you won't want to leave it
[04:12] <balzac> the US has fallen from #1 in broadband connectedness to #15 or something
[04:12] <seth_k> then you'll want something like linux-image-2.6.12-6-686-smp jrattner1
[04:12] <DonL> balzac, are you in the states?
[04:12] <balzac> i want to punch a politician
[04:12] <balzac> yes
[04:13] <DonL> Ok
[04:13] <jrattner1> seth_k, after synaptic does its work will it boot that kernel by default?
[04:13] <seth_k> jrattner1, if you uninstall the old one, yes
[04:13] <patricia> DonL, how can i fix it?
[04:13] <concept10> anyone know the link of the ubuntu hardware database
[04:13] <jrattner1> seth_k, do i have to uninstall the old one to boot the new by default that seems weird
[04:13] <balzac> whew! now i'm starting to feel better.
[04:13] <seth_k> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com but it's down right now
[04:14] <seth_k> jrattner1, no, you do not have to. You can also edit /boot/grub/menu.list
[04:14] <seth_k> and change the default
[04:14] <balzac> i'll just buy the $70 USR external modem
[04:14] <seth_k> or I think there is a Boot applet in your Administration menu
[04:14] <concept10> seth_k: down for maintenance
[04:14] <balzac> ubuntu is nice
[04:15] <DonL> patricia, I don't have enough information to help you further, I'm afraid. Don't know what you're trying to do.
[04:15] <balzac> the installed help files are very skimpy
[04:15] <seth_k> concept10, read my line. I told you it was down right now
[04:15] <concept10> seth_k: I was asking if it was down for maintenance, I read your line
[04:16] <balzac> the search function is ridiculous. it only searches the page you're looking at, not all the help pages.
[04:16] <balzac> actually, that's find, it doesn't have searchable help
[04:17] <balzac> nevertheless, i'm quitting windows for ubuntu
[04:18] <DonL> balzac, I did that about 5 years ago. Best move I ever made
[04:18] <balzac> i shoulda done it a long time ago
[04:18] <patricia> DonL, i just want to open docs from machines trough the local netware
[04:18] <balzac> i kept thinking a few apps were worth staying on windows for
[04:19] <balzac> photoshop, dreamweaver, etc.
[04:19] <DonL> patricia, what machines? What operating systems?
[04:19] <balzac> now i'm going to do ruby on rails and get used to gimp
[04:20] <DonL> balzac, did you use another gimp-like program before?
[04:20] <patricia> Machines using Windows XP Pro and Home
[04:20] <balzac> photoshop
[04:20] <balzac> gimp is very much like photoshop
[04:20] <DonL> balzac, I've heard that if you know that, gimp follows quite nicely
[04:21] <balzac> you know what is annoying? how hard it is to get a Java VM running on ubuntu
[04:21] <balzac> gimp has most of what you need
[04:21] <toresbe> nice :) btw, I started a webradio :D check it out: http://toresbe.homelinux.org:8000/
[04:21] <toresbe> ohfuck, sorry
[04:21] <toresbe> EWINDOW
[04:22] <balzac> DonL, since i don't do print work, i can get away with gimp instead of photoshop