[06:43] <mazal> Mornings
[06:43] <mazal> https://utappia.org/2016/04/22/how-to-search-install-remove-snap-packages-in-ubuntu/
[06:45] <mazal> But it doesn't work on Kubuntu though
[07:14] <pavlushka> hello every one!
[07:17] <pavlushka> is it working, I am from tty1
[07:18] <pavlushka> Hi mazal!
[07:26] <pavlushka> Hello inetpro !
[07:26] <pavlushka> Hello theblazehen !
[09:27] <Kilos> morning all
[10:52] <Langjan> Kilos, hi broer
[10:53] <Langjan> hi guys
[11:11] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[11:11] <Kilos> ek moet gaan eet
[11:11] <Kilos> sal nou nou terug wees
[11:11] <Langjan> gaaf ek ook
[11:53] <Kilos> Langjan im back
[11:53] <Kilos> had to pump water too
[11:57] <Kilos> what did you brewak today
[11:57] <Kilos> break
[12:03] <Kilos> sjoe julle groot mense eet baie ne
[12:04] <Kilos> oh btw beautiful deeks
[12:27] <nlsthzn> o/
[12:34] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[12:34] <Kilos> wb
[12:34] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos , all well (oh and thanks)
[12:34] <nlsthzn> ?
[12:34] <Kilos> yes all fine here ty and there
[12:35] <nlsthzn> yup, all good thanks
[12:44] <Kilos> wbb
[13:24] <Kilos> Langjan you still here
[13:25] <Kilos> ive done a couple od drive changes look for 1 pic
[13:25] <Langjan> Hi Kilos yes sorry we had lunch then flaked out, Juanita is not well.
[13:25] <Kilos> tablets dont to well when swimming in the bath
[13:25] <Kilos> oh my sorry to hear that
[13:26] <Kilos> go sleep sir
[13:26] <Langjan> No were fine thks, had a good forty winks
[13:26] <Langjan> Susan very happy with her installation
[13:26] <Kilos> lovely pics of deeks ty
[13:26] <Kilos> im glad
[13:27] <Langjan> Yes nostalgic though, thks
[13:27] <Langjan> were good times
[13:27] <Kilos> did you install gufw for her
[13:27] <Langjan> gufw?
[13:27] <Kilos> i souped the 1000s station wagon
[13:27] <Kilos> used to smoke tires and fly robot to robot
[13:28] <Langjan> ok, nice, what did you do?
[13:28] <Kilos> lifted some ports and lowered others i think
[13:28] <Langjan> Mine smoked tyres in 1st, 2nd and 3rd
[13:28] <Kilos> forget all the 2 stoke stuff
[13:29] <Langjan> I'll never forget
[13:29] <Kilos> wonderful cars but no good with todays fuel prices
[13:29] <Langjan> There was a goy named Bokkie in Pretoria who raced a bit
[13:29] <Langjan> guy
[13:30] <Langjan> and Johny Nel?
[13:30] <Kilos> you know where the 3-6 came from
[13:31] <Langjan> three cyliners firing double-time
[13:31] <Kilos> 3 cylinder that performed better than a 6
[13:31] <Kilos> i dont think mine did 10 mpg
[13:31] <Kilos> used to eat juice
[13:32] <Kilos> long ago in hidden memories
[13:32] <Langjan> No, mine did 23 mpg going flat-out running at 100mph-plus
[13:33] <Kilos> i boutht a valiant barracuda after that that was more economical
[13:33] <Langjan> It did chew juice whebn I used the dcoe 45 weber
[13:33] <Kilos> oh ya
[13:33] <Kilos> i member webber carb too
[13:33] <Kilos> weber
[13:33] <Kilos> had great fun
[13:34] <Kilos> and pancake air filter
[13:34] <Langjan> but when I used to cruise at a reasoable 80 mph it gave 30 mpg
[13:34] <Kilos> wow
[13:34] <Kilos> no mine drank like a camel
[13:34] <Langjan> built a full-circle crank to boost crankcase pressure
[13:35] <Kilos> i bought onde
[13:35] <Kilos> one
[13:35] <Kilos> from galguts i think
[13:35] <Kilos> they imported lots of deek stuff
[13:35] <Langjan> full circle? Interesting, did not know they were available
[13:36] <Langjan> in SA
[13:36] <Kilos> might have had another name i dont remember
[13:36] <Kilos> imported from germany
[13:36] <Kilos> galguts was in pta
[13:37] <Langjan> My dream was to mount carb on crankcase and fit reed valves, but to complicated
[13:37] <Kilos> hahaha yeah when bikes started using them i gave up
[13:37] <Kilos> used to love tuning bikes as well
[13:37] <Kilos> delorto carbs
[13:38] <Langjan> two-stroke bikes I presume?
[13:38] <Kilos> float hung on a rubber pipe so it could stay level when cornering
[13:38] <Kilos> yes
[13:38] <Langjan> My pal had a set of three amals, worked like a dream
[13:38] <Kilos> i raced kreidler
[13:38] <Langjan> dont know bikes
[13:38] <Kilos> whew that spelling looks wrong
[13:38] <Langjan> which one?
[13:39] <Kilos> kreidler
[13:39] <Langjan> kriedler?
[13:39] <Kilos> german racing 50 cc
[13:39] <Kilos> lemme google
[13:39] <Langjan> what is gufw?
[13:40] <Kilos> graphic firewall to stop all incoming
[13:40] <Kilos> keeps baddies out
[13:41] <Langjan> never heard of it
[13:41] <Kilos> look in synaptic
[13:43] <Kilos> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_cc_Grand_Prix_motorcycle_racing
[13:46] <Langjan> sorry system froze solid when I tried to open synaptic
[13:46] <Kilos> oh my
[13:46] <Langjan> gufw installing now, will check it out
[13:46] <Kilos> very simple
[13:47] <Kilos> you just open it and turn it on
[13:47] <Kilos> only allows outgoing
[13:47] <Langjan> then what does it break?
[13:47] <Kilos> you can also set what you want to allow in
[13:47] <Kilos> dunno mine works fie
[13:48] <Kilos> fine
[13:48] <Langjan> fee fie foe fum
[13:48] <Langjan> remember where that comes from?
[13:49] <Kilos> ek ruik n englsman
[13:49] <Langjan> Ja, Jan en die boontjierank
[13:49] <Kilos> lol
[13:50] <Kilos> be he alive or be he dead ill grind his bones to make my bread
[13:52] <Langjan> so if I turn this on what will it stop?
[13:52] <Kilos> others from getting onto your pc
[13:52] <Langjan> you mean via internet?
[13:53] <Kilos> i remember i had to turn it off to do some networking stuff
[13:53] <Kilos> yes
[13:53] <Langjan> can they get on now?
[13:53] <Kilos> hackers can get in anywhere
[13:53] <Kilos> good ones that is
[13:53] <Langjan> What about my existing network?
[13:54] <Kilos> try it
[13:54] <Langjan> And adding Susan
[13:54] <Kilos> i dont know everything
[13:54] <Kilos> you can always turn it off
[13:54] <Kilos> or remove
[13:54] <Langjan> well thats what i pay you for
[13:55] <Kilos> hahahaha
[13:55] <Kilos> superfly can you explain?
[13:55] <superfly> explain what?
[13:56] <Kilos> why use gufw
[13:56] <Langjan> hi superfly
[13:56] <superfly> hi Langjan
[13:56] <Langjan> he made me install gufw now he cant tell me what it does
[13:56] <Langjan> lmga
[13:56] <superfly> Kilos: the only time I use a firewall is for my router
[13:57] <Kilos> ok Langjan remove it
[13:57] <Kilos> sudo aptitude remove gufw
[13:57] <Langjan> make up your mind boss
[13:57] <Kilos> ill keep using it
[13:58] <Kilos> i have many enemies
[13:58] <Langjan> why would that be?
[13:58] <Kilos> um
[13:58] <Langjan> windows?
[13:58] <Kilos> i dont comb my hair the right way
[13:59] <Kilos> i used to say them sleg
[13:59] <Langjan> om, im lucky - I dont have any to comb
[13:59] <Kilos> haha
[14:00] <Langjan> Will gufw stop incoming skype calls?
[14:01] <Kilos> i dont think so
[14:01] <Kilos> doesnt stop debs
[14:01] <Langjan> I see skype in listening report
[14:01] <Langjan> ok
[14:01] <Langjan> skype me please lets see
[14:02] <Kilos> it eats data man
[14:02] <Kilos> i even have to curb debbie
[14:02] <Langjan> just do a chat message but see if it connects me as contact
[14:03] <Langjan> jan.greeff
[14:03] <Kilos> ok sec
[14:04] <Kilos> theres lots of you
[14:05] <Langjan> Should only be one, skype name jan.greeff
[14:05] <Kilos> i did
[14:05] <Langjan> email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:05] <Kilos> warmbad pretoria paarl columbus
[14:05] <Kilos> en meer
[14:06] <Langjan> warmbad
[14:06] <Langjan> weet jy nog nie waar ek bly nie?
[14:07] <Kilos> bela bela
[14:07] <Langjan> ja warmbad
[14:07] <Kilos> you not answering
[14:07] <Langjan> dieselfde ding
[14:07] <Langjan> you have to send contact request
[14:08] <Kilos> whats that
[14:09] <Langjan> skype automatically asks you to send a contact request for all new contacts, thats what I want to see, if gufw lets it through
[14:09] <Kilos> lol
[14:10] <Kilos> i found a request thing
[14:10] <Langjan> did you find my skype name? It should show there
[14:10] <Langjan> ok
[14:11] <Kilos> do you have skype open even
[14:11] <Langjan> whats your skype name?
[14:11] <Langjan> yes
[14:13] <Langjan> maybe gufw is blocking you
[14:13] <Kilos> i dunno
[14:13] <Kilos> see pm
[14:13] <Langjan> did you click on send contact request?
[14:13] <Kilos> yes
[14:14] <Langjan> ok ive switched gufw off, try again
[14:29] <Kilos> ai!
[14:42] <nlsthzn> gufw will not by itself block anything that it isn't set to do... when just run it has the same default behaviour than not running it... it only becomes relevant when you make changes to it afaik...
[14:42] <nlsthzn> then again what do I know :p
[14:43] <Kilos> lol
[14:44] <Kilos> its good now if something doesnt work there i can blame unity
[14:44] <Kilos> he has been getting away with things lately
[14:45] <Kilos> Langjan https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gufw
[14:45] <Kilos> learn what you can do with it
[14:45] <Kilos> im tired
[14:47] <nlsthzn> unity in 16.04 perhaps one of the most stable DE I have used in the last 5 years...
[15:21] <Kilos> nice
[15:21] <Kilos> speed usable again today
[15:21] <Langjan> Hi nlsthzn, by DE you mean operating system?
[15:21] <Kilos> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5275261140
[15:22] <Langjan> stop bragging Kilos
[15:22] <Kilos> Maaz define DE
[15:22] <Maaz> Kilos: De- \De-\ A prefix from Latin de down, from, away; as in debark, decline, decease, deduct, decamp. In words from the French it is equivalent to Latin dis- apart, away; or sometimes to de. Cf. {Dis-}. It is negative and opposite in derange, deform, destroy, etc. It is intensive in deprave, despoil, declare, desolate, etc. [1913 Webster], DE n 1: a Mid-
[15:22] <Maaz> Atlantic state; one of the original 13 colonies [syn: {Delaware}, {Diamond State}, {First State}…
[15:22] <Kilos> ai!
[15:23] <Kilos> maybe environment fits in there
[15:23] <Kilos> nope Langjan the guys with over 50mb/s  brag
[15:24] <Langjan> now I know exactly what DE is...
[15:24] <Langjan> l,mga
[15:24] <Kilos> what'
[15:24] <Langjan> ?
[15:24] <Kilos> desktop environment
[15:24] <Kilos> i think
[15:24] <Kilos> i battle with all the short things
[15:25] <Kilos> nlsthzn what is it man
[15:25] <Langjan> meaning the os I presume. Good to know
[15:26] <Langjan> I'll be watching, may upgrade sooner then
[15:26] <Kilos> after 3 months
[15:26] <Langjan> gonna leave you guys, have work to do
[15:26] <nlsthzn> DE - desktop environment... the interface. Unity, gnome-shell, kde-plasma etc. :p
[15:26] <Kilos> 16.04.1
[15:26]  * nlsthzn goes now... bbl
[15:26] <Kilos> cheers nlsthzn
[15:26] <Kilos> ty for the visit
[15:27] <Langjan> chat again some time Kilos lekker aand
[15:28] <Kilos> jy ook dankie
[15:28] <Kilos> wag
[15:28] <Langjan> remember to switch gufw on
[15:28] <Kilos> leyt them sort this first
[15:28] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+bugs
[15:30] <Langjan> ?
[15:30] <Langjan> does this relate to my freeze earlier?
[15:32] <Langjan> Kilos, you there?
[15:32] <Kilos> yes
[15:33] <Kilos> no man you are on 14.04
[15:33] <Kilos> anyway try typing in
[15:33] <Kilos> sudo touch /forcefsck and rebootin or going off
[15:33] <Kilos> when it boots it looks for things that are wrong
[15:34] <Kilos> the pro has a link on where to do fsck stuff but i forgot
[15:34] <Langjan> ok will do when I switch off tonight, thks
[15:34] <Kilos> skype made your unity freeze
[15:34] <Kilos> hehe
[15:34] <Kilos> Langjan ^^
[15:35] <Langjan> sudo touch /forcefsck
[15:35] <Langjan> you were right, I got it in my library
[15:36] <Langjan> Mooi loop Kilos
[15:36] <Langjan> wat is ^^?
[15:40] <Kilos> ai!
[16:00] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[16:00] <Kilos> Maaz tell Langjan ^^ beteken kyk bo
[16:00] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[16:09] <Kilos> gremble o/
[16:34] <Kilos> wb Cryterion
[16:36] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[16:36]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[16:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:40] <Kilos> Maaz gracias amigo
[16:40] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[16:41]  * Kilos waves to tumbleweed
[16:41] <Kilos> all good there sir?
[16:51] <Cryterion> Hi
[17:30] <Kilos> wbb need modem for a bit
[18:52] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[18:52] <gremble> How are you?
[18:53] <gremble> Gah. I have this HP probook on which I really want to install linux. But I cannot get it to boot with a USB and the bios randomly freezes
[18:57] <nlsthzn> Maaz, tea please
[18:57] <Maaz> As soon as the kettle boils nlsthzn I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already
[18:58] <nlsthzn> thanks Maaz
[18:59] <Kilos> fine ty gremble  and you
[18:59] <gremble> I am well thanks
[19:00] <Kilos> gremble lets start at the beginning
[19:00] <Kilos> have you looked in bios
[19:01] <Kilos> might be a bug in bios itself
[19:02] <Kilos> so batteries out for and hour at least the set bios to defaults and then set boot order etc
[19:03] <Kilos> this thinkpad also refused to accept linux , thats why i brought it to me
[19:04] <Kilos> some windows stuff in bios i had to change
[19:04] <Kilos> i think it was allow something or other
[19:05] <nlsthzn> often a quick search with the exact make and model will give results for some specific issues etc...
[19:05] <Kilos> before you worry about batteries out ty reset bios to default values
[19:06] <Kilos> oh and google is your friend
[19:06] <Kilos> im a hammer and nails guy
[19:06] <gremble> So far no luck. But I will probably sort it out over the June/July vacation.
[19:06] <Kilos> but let me know so i can also learn
[19:06] <gremble> Then I will have time
[19:06] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:07] <Kilos> then pull batteries for a day
[19:07] <Kilos> then bios will go to factory setting on its own
[19:08] <gremble> Doesn't the mobo have it's own battery?
[19:08] <Kilos> yes
[19:09] <Kilos> finding it can be google work
[19:09] <Kilos> google chaging cmos battery in that particular make and model
[19:09] <Kilos> changing
[19:10] <Kilos> they will most likely give a few youtube links as well so if you have data then you can watch how
[21:41] <Kilos> sjoe
[21:41] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight


[00:50] <Unit193> So I am supposed to be tracking the libdvdcss installer package (was an action item one or two releases back), and libdvdcss-installer isn't going anywhere, but libdvdcss-pkg popped up and looks pretty good.  The ITP for -okg hasn't moved since January, but there have been commits leading up to end of last month on the package repo.
[00:53] <Unit193> pleia2: Pretty sure it isn't my place, but just doing a tiny bump on bug 1181379. :)   (Looking at a bunch of bugs, nothing targetted.)
[00:56] <Unit193> I can get some shots for https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1170890, or we could redirect to http://docs.xubuntu.org/1304/migrating-upgrading.html#upgrading
[01:57] <Unit193> pleia2: In case you do get around to it, picked up some links: http://paste.openstack.org/show/bagEbjYe1jQ1JI0YpoxW/
[02:08] <pleia2> thanks :) ill try to get that sorted this weekend
[02:09]  * pleia2 eats sushi now
[02:11] <Unit193> Have fun!
[07:12] <elfy> Noskcaj: have you been doing anything with autopilot?
[07:16] <Noskcaj> elfy, no. it confused me so i ran away. i'll tun any tests you need though
[07:16] <elfy> that's fine - just keeping tabs on what's going on :)
[07:16] <Noskcaj> to compensate, i made the biggest manual testcase merge yet
[07:17] <elfy> well - if they are xubuntu ones that is fine as long as the bugs are marked
[07:17] <Noskcaj> i've marked them as fix released
[07:17] <elfy> if they aren't xubuntu ones then I think we'd prefer people in the xubuntu qa dept to be doing xubuntu ones :)
[07:19] <Noskcaj> making two xubuntu ones, plus updating all the hardware testcases
[07:19] <Noskcaj> a 3000 line change
[07:20] <elfy> which xubuntu ones?
[07:24] <Noskcaj> bug 1187457 and bug 1187462
[07:27] <elfy> cool
[09:44] <rowboatnick> elfy: i will add testcases here http://code.launchpad.net/~dr-madnick/+junk/autopilot-stuff
[10:09] <elfy> rowboatnick: thanks :)
[10:35] <lderan> ooo
[10:35] <elfy> dles
[15:40] <elfy> release schedule has been updated now - alpha1 is june 27th, alpha2 July 25th
[21:00] <Noskcaj> skellat, if your right about that testdrive copyright thing, both howard and i aren't ment to have merged stuff


 Had been speaking to the xubuntu team from over a year about adding it to help improve laptop efficiency, but guess I should scrap that idea. (re @wimpress: PSA: Ubuntu MATE is shipping tlp by since 20.10.  I intend to remove it. I don't think other flavopurs are shipping tlp, but I suggest you don't.)
 anyone have a laptop with nvidia graphics who can test if this UM bug is still present - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-meta/+bug/1873997
 Downloading daily iso and will test on Inspiron 3421 which has similar configurations as  mentioned in the bug. (re @philipz: anyone have a laptop with nvidia graphics who can test if this UM bug is still present - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-meta/+bug/1873997)
 thanks @theNew0rder
 systemd-networkd not running but can connect to WiFi; GParted is able to run; Sleep and hibernate entries are present; Shutdown dialog is correct; Gnome Disks can mount disks. :

  (edited)systemd-networkd not running but can connect to WiFi; GParted is able to run; Sleep and hibernate entries are present; Shutdown dialog is correct; Gnome Disks can mount disks.But I cannot disable the NVIDIA graphics card from BIOS, so results may not be exactly true. :
 When shutting down from live session, there is an message saying "noveau 0000:02:00.0: bus: MMIO read of 00000000 FAULT at 002140 [ !ENGINE ]" @philipz
 Why would you not be able to disable it from the BIOS? Do you not see a disable discrete gpu entry in the BIOS? (re @theNew0rder: )
 Yes, there is no option to turn off it in the BIOS. (re @philipz: Why would you not be able to disable it from the BIOS? Do you not see a disable discrete gpu entry in the BIOS?)
 😢
 Are the Snaps that are coming in the Beta of each flavor also broken?  If yes, is there any correction forecast?
 Can you be slightly more specific? (re @alera_on: Are the Snaps that are coming in the Beta of each flavor also broken?  If yes, is there any correction forecast?)
  (re @popeydc: Can you be slightly more specific?)The Snaps that come by default come with problems.  I tried to install Firefox and other Snaps, but I couldn't. I'm asking if this happens with other flavors, because I don't know if this is exclusive to UU. :
 is that a live or installed?
 Oh, looks installed.
 where's the ISO? I would like to test.
 http://linux.darkpenguin.net/distros/ubuntu-unity/21.04/beta/ (re @popeydc: where's the ISO? I would like to test.)
 Thanks
 you're welcome
 Snaps are working fine on UM. snapd is Ver. 2.49.2 Rev. 11588 here. In case you are on ZFS, the snap issue has been fixed as of yesterday. (re @alera_on: )
 I am using a standard installation on EXT4.  This error is not exclusive to this beta, it also happens in the LTS version of UU 20.04. (re @saivinob: Snaps are working fine on UM. snapd is Ver. 2.49.2 Rev. 11588 here. In case you are on ZFS, the snap issue has been fixed as of yesterday.)
 Ah OK.
 file a bug report on Gitlab so Rudra can take a look at it (re @alera_on: I am using a standard installation on EXT4.  This error is not exclusive to this beta, it also happens in the LTS version of UU 20.04.)
 yup, all show broken on a clean 21.04 ubuntu unity install here (re @alera_on: )
 I don't know why, but it needs raising as a bug, surely.
 I will create a separate account for GitLab to report the error.
 On my UU install, cores, snapd, two snaps I had installed were OK. gnome-3.34 and gtk-common-themes were showing as broken. Unable to install snap-store. Removed and reinstalled the two broken snaps, all OK now. :
 I downloaded iso on 10th April.
 Of Ubuntu Unity? There has been a new one released yesterday. As you know Rudra builds the isos imself so we work a bit different. (re @saivinob: I downloaded iso on 10th April.)
 Yes. I saw message that he build new iso to address some boot up issue. The reason I mentioned was to see if anything changed between two iso. But of course @alera_on mentioned he had issue on 20.04.
 Turns out the PCIe issues are not TLPs fault but the new schedutil CPU governor in the 5.11 kernel used by default for AMD CPUs. (re @wimpress: Current crop of issues include:
   * USB audio devices that are suspended while playing/recording audio. Audio playback resume when you play media again but audio input device are never restored.
   * PCIe auto-suspend causing workstations with NVME drives in RAID to hard lock the entire system.)
 Forwarded from unknown: The Ubuntu Unity Remix "Hirsute Hippo" 21.04 Release Candidate is now available! 🎉https://ubuntuunity.org/2021/04/15/ubuntu-unity-21-04-hirsute-hippo-release-candidate/ :
 @popeydc @alera_on @Maik_aD @saivinob I've fixed this issue in the RC ISO (released just now). (re @popeydc: yup, all show broken on a clean 21.04 ubuntu unity install here)
 I will download it here today, thanks Rudra. (re @rs2009: @popeydc @alera_on @Maik_aD @saivinob I've fixed this issue in the RC ISO (released just now).)
 congrats @rs2009
 Thank you :) (re @philipz: congrats @rs2009)
 awesome, thanks. You rock! :) (re @rs2009: @popeydc @alera_on @Maik_aD @saivinob I've fixed this issue in the RC ISO (released just now).)
 Nice one (re @rs2009: @popeydc @alera_on @Maik_aD @saivinob I've fixed this issue in the RC ISO (released just now).)


[01:49] <mark06> so, a follow-up to my uncommit discussion from the other day, how about bzr heads --dead-only?
[01:50] <mark06> ok it will not show all uncommits, only last one, but it's a good start no?
[03:57] <mark06> is there any case where this might be problematic? bzr branch a b; cp a/.bzr/branch/branch.conf b/.bzr/branch/branch.conf?
[03:59] <mark06> i.e. invalid configuration that doesn't really apply for the new branch?
[04:06] <lifeless> shouldn't be; its equivalent to cp -a a b
[04:06] <lifeless> modulo some rules about what revisions are cloned in the repo etc
[04:14] <mark06> ok, thanks!
[04:15] <mark06> although I'm not sure if it's equivalent to filesystem copy, since unreferenced commits (uncommitted commits) will not exist on target branch
[04:19] <lifeless> 'modulo some rules about what revisions are cloned in the repo etc'
[04:20] <lifeless> mark06: they don't exist in the source branch either
[04:20] <lifeless> mark06: only in the source repo
[04:20] <lifeless> mark06: and if you have a shared repo, branch a b within it won't be cloning revisions at all
[04:20] <mark06> I only use standalone branches, sorry
[04:20] <lifeless> mark06: doesn't worry me; just pointing out some of the subtleties
[04:21] <mark06> I mean they exist in source branch cause it's standalone, containing the repo
[04:21] <mark06> I didn't get modulo


[06:38] <lissyx> hello
[06:39] <lissyx> I know build artefacts on launchpad have a retention period of ~1 week, what about logs?
[06:54] <nteodosio> Really? Pretty sure they never expire. E.g. this from 5 years ago: https://launchpad.net/~chromium-team/+snap/chromium-snap-beta/+build/324141
[07:25] <lissyx> this is what I was told
[07:25] <lissyx> and when searching for older builds we dont see the artifacts
[07:25] <lissyx> nteodosio, e.g., https://launchpad.net/~mozilla-snaps/firefox/+snap/firefox-snap-stable/+build/2207675
[07:26] <lissyx> and amd64: https://launchpad.net/~mozilla-snaps/firefox/+snap/firefox-snap-stable/+build/2210765
[07:28] <nteodosio> lissyx, I'd ask Launchpad directly: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[07:55] <seb128> goood morning and happy friday desktopers!
[07:56] <Wimpy> Morning o/
[07:56] <seb128> Wimpy, hey, how are you doing?
[08:00] <Wimpy> Hey Seb. Good thanks. Still catching up on sleep after NixCon, but all good.
[08:00] <Wimpy> And you?
[08:02] <lissyx> bandali, do you have visibility over https://phabricator.services.mozilla.com/D140803 ?
[08:02] <lissyx> seb128, hello
[08:03] <lissyx> seb128, I need your opinion for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1818460#c4
[08:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1818460 in Core "[Snap] view_source.editor stopped working" [--, Unconfirmed]
[08:03] <lissyx> seb128, my understanding of snap and xdg portal is mostly "we can't expect this feature to work"
[08:04] <lissyx> i.e., user-configured via about:config source editor, because the best we can do is use FileChooser.OpenFile / OpenUri.OpenFile which will ask the user to select the editor?
[08:17] <seb128> Wimpy, I'm alright thanks! trying to get things in shape for mantic beta
[08:17] <Wimpy> How's it shaping up?
[08:20] <seb128> good, most of are changes are in place, current GNOME is in the release pocket and there is no blocker issue atm afaik
[08:20] <seb128> lissyx, hey, yes that's probably true at this point, that would require some extra portal or snapd work to be possible
[08:21] <Wimpy> Excellent.
[10:18] <ricotz> good morning desktopers
[10:37] <ricotz> seb128, could you sponsor a autopkgtests workaround for parlatype-libreoffice-extension? -- https://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/libreoffice/
[10:45] <seb128> ricotz, ack, I need to step out for a bit but will do that once I'm back
[11:53] <seb128> ricotz, shouldn't the version be 0ubuntu1?
[11:53] <seb128> for parlatype-libreoffice-extension
[11:54] <ricotz> seb128, no, but I guess it should be 0build1
[11:54] <ricotz> this isn't a fix, and curently is seem the proper solution is in libreoffice itself
[11:55] <ricotz> this is just a workaround and using this version will have it in sync if something new comes up
[11:56] <ricotz> sorry, do you prefer 1+build1 or 1build1?
[11:56] <seb128> ricotz, either is fine, I want just wanted to make sure that having it overwriten by the next sync was ok
[11:57] <ricotz> yeah, that is intended
[11:57] <seb128> ack
[11:57] <seb128> do you want me to change to 0build1 before uploading?
[11:57] <seb128> either is fine, I'm just making sure you agree with what is uploaded
[11:57] <ricotz> feel free, but *1build1* !
[11:57] <seb128> lol, yes, sorry :p
[11:58] <ricotz> thanks!
[11:58] <seb128> np! and uploaded
[11:59] <ricotz> I did a test build with autopkgtests, so finger crossed
[12:04] <seb128> :-)
[14:50] <bandali> hey lissyx, sorry for the slow reply. re cross-compilation: i'd played with it a tiny bit long, but for a much smaller project; nothing on the scale/size of firefox
[14:52] <bandali> re D140803, i'd talked to one of the other desktop engineers about changes on the portal side a while back about his opinion on the general state of things. i'll see what i can do to get things rolling again, at the very least starting with posting some comments
[14:55] <lissyx> bandali, have you been able to update your patch already ?
[14:55] <lissyx> it's still marked as WIP
[15:12] <bandali> lissyx, yeah i did rebase and update it a while back, but it's indeed still marked as WIP
[15:12] <bandali> i'll probably need to do it again
[15:13] <lissyx> you need to put "r?..." into the patch title also to make it move from WIP to reviewing
[15:13] <lissyx> r?robwu!,emilio!,rpl!,Gijs!,andi! for example
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[18:40] <bandali> lissyx, ack, thanks, i'll do that once i feel it's ready for another round of revies
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[13:10] <log69> hi all! anyone interested in helping me test my software: tomld? security related stuff. I'm about to release my first stable version soon. my site: http://log69.com/tomld_en.html - if it's proper, i'd gladly contribute writing a news from it if anybody interested


[04:44] <mapps> morning
[04:44] <mapps> any night owls still around;]
[07:13] <knightWork> mornin peeps
[07:17] <dwatkins> allo allo
[07:19] <knightWork> hey dwatkins , how are you   ?
[07:44] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:46] <knightWork> hey MooDoo :) How are you today dude
[07:46] <MooDoo> knightWork: hols in a week, so getting better :D
[07:47] <knightWork> I"m leaving for the coast of france on wednesday for a couple of days of RR
[07:48] <MooDoo> knightWork: we'll be in paris or there abouts.
[07:50] <knightWork> MooDoo: i'll be near calais
[07:50] <MooDoo> nice, :)
[07:50] <knightWork> https://www.google.be/maps/place/Cap+Blanc+Nez/@50.9254316,1.6981468,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x47dc3ca29e35c6b7:0xf3432f38c815d345?hl=en
[07:51] <knightWork> you can see the little camp site just south of the peak
[07:51] <MooDoo> lovely
[07:51] <knightWork> No wifi , no 3g , just some music, some books, a lot of walkies and some tea
[07:52] <zmoylan-1i> and a hard drive strapped to your leg with 2tb of cat videos... :-P
[07:53] <knightWork> LOL :)
[07:53] <knightWork> couple of books and some movies
[07:53] <knightWork> probably gonna take carl sagans COSMOS with ut
[07:53] <knightWork> s
[07:54] <zmoylan-pi> watched that for the first time since i saw it when it was first shown a few years back.  i liked the new version but no one was as good at inspiring wonder as sagan
[07:57] <knightWork> Carl can read me the phonebook and i'll still love it
[07:57] <knightWork> his voice is .. magnifficent
[07:58] <zmoylan-pi> the songs people have made with his talks are on my mp3 player...
[07:58] <knightWork> zmoylan-pi: now i'm curious !
[07:59] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc
[08:00] <knightWork>  Awesome ! :)
[08:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:04] <knightWork>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HBkZPyfpdE&list=RD1HBkZPyfpdE#t=0
[08:04] <knightWork> An entire symphony
[08:08] <knightWork> Whow, I realy like this ...
[08:09] <zmoylan-pi> and for lift relief there's always the universe song.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq4uCWtQE24
[08:17] <davmor2> hippo birdy 2 ewes, hippo birdy 2 ewes, hippo birdy deer popey, hippo birdy 2 ewes
[08:25] <knightWork> Oh crap zmoylan-pi you have shown me something now
[08:25] <knightWork> i appear to be hooked
[08:43] <knightWork> popey: ... birthday ?
[08:58] <popey> Thanks :)
[08:58] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy World Rat Day! 😃  🐀
[09:01] <zmoylan-pi> squeak?
[09:03] <popey> Oh, interestingly I was born in the year of the rat too
[09:06]  * knightWork remembers Roland Rat !
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> stainless steel rat for president o/
[09:20] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:22] <knightWork> hey brobostigon
[09:24] <brobostigon> hi knightWork
[09:36] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:37] <bigcalm> popey: do you want to add to the RAT date poll before I close it?
[09:38] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[09:38] <bigcalm> o/
[09:38] <brobostigon> o/
[09:39] <bigcalm> \o
[09:51] <ujjain> Let go troating about with big group of people, better off with small group  < does this phrase make sense? what is troating about?
[09:54] <SuperMatt> ujjain: no.
[09:55] <ujjain> ah htanks
[09:55] <SuperMatt> that's possibly one of the least sensicle sentances I've ever read, and I've read my own drunk texts
[09:56] <ujjain> ah ok, it makes sense in my head though
[09:58] <knightWork> U gave no idea what troating is , but it sound like something you might search for on pornhub
[09:58] <knightWork> u gave = i have
[09:58] <SuperMatt> I looked it up, and it means to call out loudly
[09:58] <SuperMatt> or something similar
[10:05] <popey> bigcalm: intentionally not done because I don't know when i can make it
[10:07] <davmor2> JamesTait: this seems very appropriate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kobdb37Cwc
[10:09] <ujjain> hahahah
[10:23] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, SSR, wasn't that one of the old 16-bit hacker crews?
[10:25] <zmoylan-pi> it's a serious of books about stainless steel rat, a criminal in far future... first ones are quite good... for their time... but i still like them
[10:25] <bigcalm> popey: okay. I'll close the poll and hopefully you'll be able to attend :)
[10:25] <zmoylan-pi> was also in 2000ad as a multipart story
[10:27] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, you learn something new every day.... 😉
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> wouldn't be suprised if a hacker group took the name
[10:33] <bigcalm> Ubuntu UK loco Real Ale Train | 10th September 2016 | http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/3350-real-ale-train-2016/
[10:33] <bigcalm> popey: ^
[10:36] <bigcalm> !rat
[10:36] <bigcalm> Now to try and remember how to get that changed
[10:37] <popey> yay
[10:38] <popey> !no, rat is <reply> rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 10th September 2016, Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/3350-real-ale-train-2016/
[10:43] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: one up on me, I only know of Roland Rat Superstar yeeeeeeah
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> it's finest moment is when on a world with massive intrusive surveillance he describes how useless it is as the amount of people required to monitor and then monitor the monitors quicky becomes unmanageable and pointless.
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> it always stuck with me
[11:00] <knightWork> zmoylan-pi: Roland Rat said that ?
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> stainless steel rat
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> roland wasn't such a philosopher...
[11:07] <davmor2> roland rat was the fonz in rat form :D
[11:09] <knightWork> and who / from what universe is stainless steel rat ?
[11:09] <knightWork> davmor2: agreed !
[11:09] <knightWork> He was the Gordon-the-gopher-with-streetsmarts
[11:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: you a ratfan as well then? ;)
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat
[11:13] <knightWork> zmoylan-pi: yet another thing you have taught me today
[11:14] <zmoylan-pi> they have dated and last 3 books are terrible imo.  but i still love the books
[11:15] <zmoylan-pi> the first sci fi book i bought new was a stainless steel rat book i bought on long trip to london in early 80s to keep me amused
[11:19] <knightWork> Currently reading "ready player one" and taking some doctorrow books with me to the beach next weekend.
[11:41] <popey> bigcalm: nice one!
[11:53] <bigcalm> popey: one what?
[11:57] <knightWork> pub crawl
[12:05] <popey> ya
[12:05] <popey> beer train
[12:08] <knightWork> O/ L@Ne3y !
[12:08] <knightWork> so l33t, Much W0w
[12:11] <zmoylan-pi> i dunno, i miss Guest76158...
[12:14] <knightWork> I realy had a personal bond with Guest76158
[13:17] <bigcalm> The one time I get retweeted by an old school Linux bod, and it's a tweet about beer
[13:17]  * bigcalm giggles quietly to himself
[13:18] <bigcalm> I wonder if Alan Cocks would joint the RAT
[13:18] <popey> it's not who you think it is
[13:25] <bigcalm> Bah
[13:25] <bigcalm> Cox not Cocks
[13:25] <zmoylan-pi> humbug?
[14:28] <diddledan> bigcalm! pervert!
[14:29] <diddledan> (I just saw the Cox not Cocks comment and assumed :-p)
[14:29] <bigcalm> privet
[14:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: don't be calling diddledan a hedge
[14:38] <foobarry> has anyone tried an ISP parental filter and managed to get more than domain level blocks?
[14:39] <foobarry> e.g. reddit works but NSFW subreddits dont
[14:42] <davmor2> foobarry: I think they are basically all just domain blocking tools
[14:45] <foobarry> :(
[14:45] <foobarry> i wonder if youtube and iplayer are blocked too then :S
[14:46] <davmor2> foobarry: possibly
[15:08] <daftykins> i just opened my office window for the first time this year D:
[15:16] <mallard> daftykins: and in a couple of months you'll shut it again because wasps will fly in
[15:17] <daftykins> nah not here :P
[15:42]  * davmor2 deposits a wasps nest outside daftykins
[15:42] <daftykins> :O
[15:42] <daftykins> if i see a ladder i shall shout your nickname
[15:43]  * zmoylan-pi posts queen bee to daftykins as an inside job...
[15:48] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: nice he'll blame me thinking it is a wasp :D
[15:48] <zmoylan-pi> the bee will wear a wasp disguise...
[15:49] <bigcalm> !rat
[15:49] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: and I can hand on heart swear in court it wasn't me in my shaggy-est impression possible
[15:50] <zmoylan-pi> see, plausible deniability...
[15:51] <daftykins> davmor2: you'll get a scare if you look up how old that track is!
[15:51] <daftykins> came up on the radio and the guy said the year, 1998 i think
[15:53] <davmor2> daftykins: pffff 98 3 of the songs forever getting into my head recently are all along the watchtower, house of the rising sun and stairway to heaven look up those dates you want scary
[15:54] <daftykins> ;) that was before my time
[15:54]  * zmoylan-pi has 1-2 tunes on mp3 player that my mother liked dating from the 30s...
[15:55] <daftykins> still a fan though! except less so of the animals
[15:58] <zmoylan-pi> and you can't go wrong with lili marlene... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q56QzGcAKZc
[15:58] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: glenn miller in the mood, little brown jug and Chattanooga Choo Choo
[15:58] <zmoylan-pi> for the modern 40s stuff, yeah... :-)
[16:01] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: 30's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bVMCzDmcFY
[16:03] <zmoylan-pi> this is the song i always remember my mother humming as she cooked in kitchen... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP3G1DZmTCQ
[16:04] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: you poor man ;)
[16:07] <zmoylan-pi> not really, usually meant she making something special... breads, cakes, roasts...
[18:07] <awilkins> How do I raise the DPI on Xenial?
[18:08] <awilkins> Just got a shiny new SuperDuperHD laptop and the text in this window is reeeeely teensy
[18:09] <daftykins> settings -> monitors
[18:09] <daftykins> drag the slider
[18:10] <awilkins> Aha
[18:10] <awilkins> Aha
[18:10] <awilkins> Hmm, maybe I need to restart the apps
[18:11] <awilkins> Because this one is rendering the new large text in the teensy box :-)
[18:15] <awilkins> OK, that seems to work.
[18:15] <daftykins> yip always need a log out + in to confirm
[18:16] <awilkins> 1.5 might be a bit high
[18:17] <awilkins> Might try 1.3 or 1.4, this is a 1440 screen and I like 1080 fine
[18:18] <awilkins> 1.38 seems OK
[18:18] <daftykins> which machine did you get? i'm just finalising one of the Dell XPS 13 models with a 1080p panel for someone, i expect to be told the text is too tiny the second i hand it over - so 1.25x will likely be the answer then
[18:18] <awilkins> Lenovo t460s
[18:18] <daftykins> i would've thought an even multiplier makes sense
[18:19] <awilkins> It's really really attractive hardware
[18:19] <awilkins> Keyboard's lovely (don't get the backlit ones, I'm told they are considerably less lovely)
[18:20] <awilkins> I got the low end model apart from the screen, WiFi, and smartcard reader
[18:20] <awilkins> Not paying £300 for a CPU that has a tray price $110 higher than the base model
[18:21] <awilkins> Not paying over the odds for RAM and M.2 NVMe drives
[18:21] <daftykins> if you run Linux you'd have issues with the latter anywho
[18:22] <awilkins> What, NVMe?
[18:22] <daftykins> yep
[18:22] <awilkins> What's the issues?
[18:23] <daftykins> take the Dell XPS13, the BIOS is set to RAID for intel's RST (rapid storage tech.) right now, so if you boot 16.04 beta 2, you don't even see a storage device to install to
[18:23] <awilkins> Oh, that
[18:23] <awilkins> Yeah, I had to do that to the Windows laptop my ex-job shipped me.
[18:23] <daftykins> you can change it to AHCI sure, but then that runs the old style and defeats the benefits
[18:24] <awilkins> Hmm.
[18:24] <awilkins> 1.38 scale keeps Firefox in teensy mode
[18:24] <awilkins> 1.5 seems to make it scale up
[18:24] <daftykins> tried 1.25?
[18:24] <awilkins> Not tried 1.25
[18:25] <awilkins> Will have a go
[18:25] <awilkins> teensy mode
[18:26] <awilkins> Guess I can make it scale by setting the zoom level
[18:26] <daftykins> :S
[18:26] <daftykins> speaks of a bigger issue really, what did you install on there? 15.10?
[18:27] <awilkins> .... except it doesn't seem to stick per session
[18:27] <awilkins> Xenial
[18:27] <daftykins> ah good good
[18:27] <daftykins> so close now it makes sense :>
[18:27] <daftykins> in fact my bad, you did say
[18:30] <awilkins> Not considered trying Mir / Unity 8 yet
[18:49] <davmor2> awilkins: dell default to 2 which makes everything look the size of a window on a 1080 monitor however the scaling will also affect any monitor you plug it into which makes it look ugly as hell on lower res external monitor
[20:28] <daftykins> yay a working openVPN setup on the pfsense embedded router now, that'll let me get in for maintenance etc. to Spain from anywhere else
[22:57] <velusunivers-sys> hello if i want to cp a folder to multiple folders how would i do this woudl it be cp -R bin {regions11,regions12.....}
[22:58] <ali1234> i once had to do that. i tarred the directory, pipe to tee, then untar it in multiple places
[22:59] <velusunivers-sys> ?
[23:00] <velusunivers-sys> its not tared its just one working folder to be put into many, its something that is needed, i have one directory that is for the build and the other directorys are the workign ones and its an unfortunate c# program
[23:00] <ali1234> so tar it
[23:00] <daftykins> how many destination folders do you intend to copy to?
[23:01] <velusunivers-sys> 5
[23:01] <velusunivers-sys> i dont want to tar it
[23:01] <velusunivers-sys> it would confuse me too much
[23:01] <daftykins> i just had a test and i can't see a way to do it, so ali's suggestion will have to do - otherwise just get it done
[23:02] <velusunivers-sys> ill have to do it manually
[23:02] <daftykins> yep
[23:02] <ali1234> yeah there's no other way to do it other than by serializing the directory and duplicating it with pipes
[23:02] <ali1234> or just copy it multiple times
[23:03] <daftykins> weirdly when i typed "copy file test1 test2" it only copied to test2 and not test1
[23:03] <daftykins> though that was until i re-read the idea was a folder not file
[23:04] <ali1234> for a file: cat file | tee file1 > file2
[23:04] <daftykins> ah har
[23:04] <ndf> man xargs
[23:04] <ali1234> for directories it's the same, but tarring the directory and untarring it in each place you want a copy
[23:05] <ali1234> the important point here is the source only gets read once. i needed to copy a file from a server and make two local copies on different hard drives, and i only had enough time to write one copy to each disk, not read it back
[23:06] <ali1234> so i had to use tee to make the copy while the data was in flight, before writing it
[23:06] <ali1234> chances are you do not need to do this and can just do it the slow way
[23:08] <daftykins> chances are users are lazy :<
[23:12] <diddledan> only a chance? I thought that was guaranteed
[23:13] <daftykins> :D


[03:32] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> bug #2026830 reproduced by alkisg, for future reference
[07:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Bug 2026830 in llvm-toolchain-15 (Ubuntu) "Upgrade will break Chrome" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2026830


[04:32] <babbageclunk> If anyone fancies doing a review, take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6622, thanks!
[09:45] <mgz> mornin' all
[10:05] <macgreagoir> mgz: G'day, is there a magic touch for PR test retries that you have?
[10:05] <macgreagoir> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6620
[10:17]  * frobware needs to step out for ~1 hour.
[10:32] <deanman> Morning, is there a configuration on 2.x where you could configure an openstack cloud deployment to use by default floating IPs on the controller? Something like https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.25/config-openstack ? I can't seem to be able to find any reference for 2.0 ?
[11:24] <macgreagoir> deanman: I think you should be able to pass that to bootstrap as a --config option.
[11:25] <deanman> macgreagoir: yeah i just found out by peeking the Go code, there is a use-floating-ip configuration option which i wasn't sure whether is implemented in 2.0. I use https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/models-config as a reference for available keys.
[11:26] <macgreagoir> deanman: I was just peeking at the provider code too :-)
[11:29] <deanman> macgreagoir: (y)
[12:17] <mgz> macgreagoir: so, cleanup done, though you upset the checkjob by targetting against staging first
[12:18] <mgz> I have poked, and have another thing to try as well if needed
[12:18] <macgreagoir> mgz: Guilty!
[12:30] <bac> morning
[14:47] <macgreagoir> fnordahl anastasiamac mgz: juju/juju/pull/6617 merged successfully. Thanks fnordahl!
[14:49] <fnordahl> macgreagoir: thank you!
[15:13] <natefinch> rick_h: what was the windows thing you wanted me to look at?
[15:14] <rick_h> natefinch: should have a GH email from the PR
[15:20] <natefinch> rick_h: ahh, ok, I forgot I finally fixed it so github notifications for juju go to my canonical address and not my gmail address, no wonder I couldn't find it. :)
[15:31] <mgz> wait, why did I think the afternoon standup was now, not half an hour ago
[15:31] <mgz> it hasn't even changed time
[15:33] <rick_h> mgz: ah I figured you were skipping the second one as you were at the first one so I rep'd you for it
[15:33] <rick_h> mgz: not sure as far as the time slot lack of movement :)
[15:33] <rick_h> mgz: to be clear though, the hard requirement is just one of them, two is optional
[15:34] <mgz> rick_h: thanks for repin'
[15:41] <natefinch> rick_h: btw, I feel like "verify" is more accurate for what we're doing with the endpoints.  To me "validation" means "check against a regex" or some other check of general shape, whereas verification is more "actually try it".
[15:41] <natefinch> rick_h: but maybe I'm splitting hairs
[15:42] <rick_h> natefinch: I'm find with the verify internally, but I feel like end user input validation is the end user side of things
[15:42] <rick_h> natefinch: validate all the user's input, you might validate by verifying the url is reachable...etc
[15:44] <natefinch> rick_h: *shrug* ok
[18:21] <frobware> do we care that the bridge script (based on my current changes) would no longer work for 1.25?
[18:21] <frobware> rick_h: ^^
[18:21] <frobware> because what I'm doing now makes this a reality
[18:22] <frobware> my expectation is that 1.25 is bug fix only, so we would do the minimal anyway
[18:29] <rick_h> frobware: +1
[18:30] <frobware> rick_h: right now it's a mutiny - characters are being dropped, functions have gone, compatability has been tossed... :)
[19:38] <thumper> morning folks
[19:39] <natefinch> morning
[19:45] <babbageclunk> morning!
[19:53] <natefinch> is the maas API only exposed over http?
[19:54] <rick_h> natefinch: or https?
[19:54] <natefinch> correct
[19:54] <natefinch> and is it only exposed over the standard ports, or is that configurable?
[19:55] <rick_h> natefinch: so http/https via apache.
[19:55] <rick_h> natefinch: it could be custom if the user monkeys with it
[19:56] <natefinch> bleh, ok
[19:56] <natefinch> does juju support all that?
[19:58] <rick_h> natefinch: you tell me, can you specify the port as part of the url?
[19:59] <natefinch> you certainly can.... I presume it just works as long as we don't do anything stupid
[20:00] <rick_h> natefinch: I'd assume so
[20:06] <alexisb> voidspace, you aournd still?
[20:39] <babbageclunk> menn0: take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6622 please?
[20:40] <babbageclunk> menn0: also - do we only want to delete logs for a model when it's migrating? Or should we also do it when it's destroyed?
[20:40] <menn0> babbageclunk: will do in 5
[20:40] <menn0> babbageclunk: certainly when it's destroyed too
[20:41] <babbageclunk> menn0: Ta, not blocked so no rush.
[20:41] <babbageclunk> menn0: Ok
[20:41] <menn0> babbageclunk: it's an oversight that we're not doing that already
[20:42] <menn0> babbageclunk: the log pruner will catch them eventually (all gone in 3 days), but better to do it up front
[21:24] <mup> Bug #1645477 opened: Problem deploying openstack-ha with juju deploy  <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1645477>
[21:33] <mup> Bug #1645477 changed: Problem deploying openstack-ha with juju deploy  <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1645477>
[21:36] <mup> Bug #1645477 opened: Problem deploying openstack-ha with juju deploy  <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1645477>
[21:45] <natefinch> GAAHHHHHH
[21:45] <natefinch> man, I can't tell you how much I hate test suites
[21:46] <thumper> natefinch: what's the problem?
[21:47] <natefinch> setup test doing things I didn't realize it did, which causes me to waste an hour debugging why my test is passing when it shouldn't
[21:56] <alexisb> babbageclunk, I am going to be late
[21:56] <alexisb> will ping
[22:01] <babbageclunk> alexisb: no worries
[22:05] <alexisb> ok babbageclunk I am joining the HO
[22:52] <menn0> babbageclunk: did you still want me to review that change given that thumper has already approved it?
[22:54] <babbageclunk> menn0: he's approved the removing logs one - I don't think you need to look at it, it's pretty straightforward.
[22:54] <menn0> babbageclunk: I just quickly looked anyway and it LGTM
[22:54] <babbageclunk> menn0: I think you should still take a look at the other one.
[22:55] <menn0> babbageclunk: will do
[22:56] <babbageclunk> menn0: cool thanks
[23:16] <menn0> babbageclunk: done
[23:16] <babbageclunk> menn0: thanks - going through them (and thumper's) now
[23:46] <alexisb> perrito666, ping
[23:46] <alexisb> thumper, ping