[04:54] <MasterEvilAce> nick_: i had the same thing happen. I tried recovery mode (hit esc at grub).. then when it loaded that, i typed startx and it gave me an error
[04:54] <MasterEvilAce> and he's gone
[04:55] <wangweilin> glick http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=181248 try this it worked for me
[04:56] <wangweilin> and is very simple to use
[04:57] <antx> how can I set a network interface as default? I go to Systemsettings -> Network Settings, hit the "Administrator Mode"-button, enter my password, click on the interface I want and hit the "enable interface"-button. So far it works and I have network access, but after a reboot its all back to what it was before. With every reboot I have to do this again. How can I save the settings?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> antx: add a line saying "auto (interface)" into /etc/network/interfaces
[04:58] <wimpies> Hmm ... when I boot and kdm starts up the display resolution is OK
[04:59] <wimpies> when I log in as my user then the display resolution is 640x480 ... which could have been saved
[04:59] <wimpies> when the fglrx module was not yet properly installed.
[04:59] <wimpies> How can I get rid of that setting ?
[05:03] <h3sp4wn> wimpies: Got to system settings -> display -> Administrator mode and set it there
[05:04] <h3sp4wn> wimpies: Because it is fine for upto and including kdm I think the x server is configured properly
[05:06] <antx> okay, but I cant save the file and have now idea how to edit it from within a console so that I can use sudo...
[05:06] <MasterEvilAce> antx: i use sudo nano whatever.conf    to edit files
[05:09] <antx> oh, okay, it seems the "desktop"- idea of (k)ubuntu is really just an idea... at the end one still has to do everything in a console... :-(
[05:11] <h3sp4wn> antx: you can use kdesu kate /path/to/file (from run)
[05:11] <MasterEvilAce> console isn't so bad
[05:11] <MasterEvilAce> i hated it at first
[05:11] <dereks> antx: so don't use it
[05:12] <MasterEvilAce> now it's just normal
[05:12] <dereks> desktop means desktop machine as opposed to server, not desktop as opposed to console
[05:13] <MasterEvilAce> Ok. Kubuntu is pissing me off
[05:13] <dereks> MasterEvilAce: why
[05:13] <MasterEvilAce> everytime I restart, something else disappears, is deleted, or gets lost
[05:13] <dereks> heh
[05:13] <Infecto> ello
[05:13] <antx> yes, but what is then gnome and kde all about? however, at the end its just me...
[05:13] <MasterEvilAce> This time wine files are missing
[05:14] <Infecto> is some thing messed up witch klaptop and performance profile ?
[05:14] <dereks> antx: they are about creating a gui
[05:14] <Infecto> 2.6.15-23-686  on thos kernel
[05:14] <Infecto> ?
[05:14] <dereks> antx: if you ahve problems with their functionality, patches are very welcome
[05:14] <MasterEvilAce> KDE is purdyness and gnome is basically like functionality over anything
[05:16] <r0xz> MasterEvilAce: don't do that...
[05:16] <MasterEvilAce> r0xz: personal opinion :D
[05:16] <MasterEvilAce> cough based on facts cough oh sickness cough
[05:16] <wimpies> I had a dual display set up and it seems that the screen shown on display 0 is the settings for display 1
[05:17] <antx> I m no programmer, I just thought by know linux would be an alternative to windows. It sure is in many parts, but apparently its not yet for my purposes...
[05:18] <dereks> antx: it is a great alternative to windows, i don't see a reason why it isn't, unless you need programs that aren't supported (where there are no alternatives)
[05:18] <MasterEvilAce> antx: it takes some getting used to. and it's always improving
 antx: you can use kdesu kate /path/to/file (from run) <-- may be a new icon with "Edit as superuser" in the K menu should be included by default
[05:18] <dereks> antx: i use windows for work, and i go into the command prompt a lot
[05:19] <dereks> i havne't found an operating system that DOESN"T need some sort of CLI
[05:19] <dereks> and in addition, it would take you 30 seconds to write an "open as superuser" bash script
[05:20] <MasterEvilAce> antx: I originally tried linux a few years ago. I hated it. most programs had really bad interfaces, and it seemed like a mess. It's cleaned up a LOT now, it looks beautiful to me, and it doesn't have the problems i had long ago. it's different, in a cool way
[05:20] <Bazzi> MasterEvilAce: the last bad interfaces will hopefully be gone in KDE4 :/
[05:20] <MasterEvilAce> I actually like it more than windows, now.. I can't officially get rid of windows though because i play a lot of games--something all devs don't entirely support
[05:20] <antx> at the end linux might be able to do everything that windows can, but just not so easily...
[05:20] <HymnToLife> dereks> mont Windows users don't need the CLI at all
[05:20] <goldenear> dereks: windows doesn't need CLI never
[05:20] <HymnToLife> most*
[05:21] <MasterEvilAce> CLI?
[05:21] <RadiantFire> goldenear: ever hear of .bat files? they are basically shell scrips
[05:21] <HymnToLife> !cli
[05:21] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[05:21] <r0xz> i have a serious noob question that i wanted to know for years now ;p
[05:21] <MasterEvilAce> oh ok
[05:21] <dereks> whether people realize it or not, they do
[05:21] <dereks> thether it is a bat file, or something similar
[05:22] <r0xz> sometimes i see people selecting text backwards with the keyboard, how do they do that?
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> The last time I had to do anything with windows (migrating a virtual server from nt4 to windows 2000) I used cygwin and perl for everything so that junk like restarting iis could be done over ssh
[05:22] <MasterEvilAce> I use command prompt a bit in windows. namely tracert, ipconfig, ping, etc.  and I use start-> run constantly. I actually sorta hate start menus.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> r0xz: ctrl+shift+left arrow?
[05:22] <MasterEvilAce> r0xz: shift arrowkeys?
[05:22] <goldenear> RadiantFire: .bat files can be launched (and edited) from the gui, they don't need CLI
[05:23] <dereks> antx: while maybe you feel kde or gnome *should* have an open as superuser in the file dialog, there is a reason why neither do
[05:23] <RadiantFire> goldenear: I can edit .sh files from a GUI and launche them from an interface, that doesn't change the fact they execute cli commands
[05:23] <dereks> goldenear: but .bat files essentiall are a cli
[05:24] <dereks> RadiantFire: well, in that case you NEVER need to use the cli in linux either, just create a bash script to open each file
[05:24] <MasterEvilAce> CLI is good to know how to use period. allows you to fix your own computer when windows (or any OS) messes up
[05:24] <dereks> or do whatever
[05:24] <mhterres> hello people
[05:24] <MasterEvilAce> hey
[05:25] <antx> yes, its more save and all that... but now that I just had a look at that interfaces file and find my router password there in plaintext, I wonder how save all that is in the end...
[05:25] <antx> just an exsample
[05:25] <MasterEvilAce> one thing I hate in linux currently.. when a program crashes.. no error message whatsoever that I can see. Just "oops" basically. or if a program doesn't start due to an error, i get nothing. I have to open console and try to launch the program there, and THEN it'll give me an error
[05:25] <h3sp4wn> antx: use wpa_passphrase
[05:25] <r0xz> Hobbsee, MasterEvilAce, yeah that's it, i feel such a noob now
[05:25] <dereks> antx: well, its similar in windows, you need to encrypt things you want safe
[05:26] <r0xz> thanks
 goldenear: but .bat files essentiall are a cli <-- of course, but the user will only have to learn CLI commands to edit a .bat file...
[05:26] <dereks> goldenear: so in the same respect, then there is NEVER a need to use the CLI in linux either
[05:27] <dereks> if you just edit bash files
[05:27] <goldenear> For most users, kate will always be more user friendly than vi
[05:27] <dereks> goldenear: i am not denying that, but people can't do away with the cli on an os
[05:27] <dereks> they need to learn it
[05:27] <Hobbsee> goldenear: then again, nano's not too bad
[05:27] <MasterEvilAce> nano rocks
[05:27] <antx> I just think that all the effort the KDE people are doing is in vain for the big mass as long as one has to work with a console...
[05:27] <goldenear> I used to works with cli when administrating a server :)
[05:27] <h3sp4wn> goldenear: Unless they read UNIX in a nutshell before they start trying to use a UNIX os (as I did) - why are people so adverse to learning anything
[05:28] <dereks> antx: its the same with windows
[05:28] <HymnToLife> +1 h3sp4wn
[05:28] <antx> what is the point of the networksetting dialog if the settings are gone after reboot?
[05:28] <dereks> antx: i have a feeling thats something YOU are doing wrong
[05:28] <HymnToLife> pisses me off when some dude is here telling "it's my first time using linuxe"
[05:28] <RadiantFire> antx, it depends which network setting dialog you use
[05:28] <dereks> cuz i never have that problem
[05:28] <MasterEvilAce> I think what antx is talking about is editing settings. A lot of programs in linux don't have GUIs for it. In windows, practically everything has a settings window
[05:28] <visik7> I had Xft fonts in breezy where are they in dapper ?
[05:29] <antx> in windows there are other problems... but sure not those
[05:29] <HymnToLife> I'm like "wtf are you doing her e? Go read some docs !"
[05:29] <goldenear> h3sp4wn: because of windows : people are used to work with a GUI and then think CLI is only for geeks
[05:29] <RadiantFire> i dunno, I seldom have to use the CLI anymore
[05:29] <goldenear> CLI is very nice for system administration IMHO
[05:29] <dereks> antx: complaining that linux is too hard to use and a waste won't solve your problems, why not just state your problems then we can tell you what *YOU* are doing wrong
[05:30] <goldenear> but it's useless for the basic user
[05:30] <dereks> goldenear: i am not an admin, i am on the cli right now :)
[05:30] <KDEfanboy> MasterEvilAce: if it was in X, the error messages are probably found in ~/.xsession-errors. KDE apps will give a GUI stacktrace though, and for example, amaroK will actually launch a new email message with the stacktrace ready to send to the developers when it crashes
[05:30] <antx> RadiantFire: okay, I of course use the one I find first... and I would not even expect there to be another one...
[05:30] <HymnToLife> goldenear> basic users can do their stuff more efficiently from CLI
[05:30] <goldenear> dereks: do to what exactly ?
[05:30] <HymnToLife> i.e. copying files and such things
[05:30] <dereks> well, email, im, chat, etc
[05:30] <RadiantFire> antx: did you use the one in system settings?
[05:30] <eddy_o> erm
[05:31] <dereks> antx: stop complaining and describe your problem
[05:31] <RadiantFire> antx: you have to select "start at boot" for the interface to come back up
[05:31] <eddy_o> should the main 1st drive with the system files on be the root / drive?
[05:31] <h3sp4wn> I think most cli stuff works better (wpa_supplicant from cli not constantly polling the network like that networkmanager junk does for example)
[05:31] <goldenear> dereks: so you're not a basic user... I meann to do all this stuffs from gui you need some computer skill
[05:31] <dereks> goldenear: oh yes, but on windows i still need the cli
[05:31] <MasterEvilAce> KDEfanboy: yeah, I understand. amaroK was one i was thinking of. the dialog that appears is just basically "oops" sure, you CAN find out what happened, but it would be nice to just know right then in the crash.  The other part is, say the sources.list for Adept is messed up.. if you try to open adept, nothing. no error. but if you use apt-get in console, it'll tell you the error
[05:31] <dereks> and i don't do anything big on windows
[05:31] <dereks> outside of VS2005
[05:32] <RadiantFire> MasterEvilAce: what would be nice is a "cannot execute program dialog" like the one gnome spews when it can't launch something
[05:32] <antx> dereks: well, as I said: at the end its just me... Linux is just not there yet where I would like it to be...
[05:33] <dereks> antx: so then either help contribute (so your complaints mean something) or swtich to another os that is "there"
[05:33] <MasterEvilAce> RadiantFire: Don't know much about gnome. I used it only the first time I installed linux.. after I got KDE, it was over. gg gnome :P but any sort of detail info is good to have
[05:34] <antx> contributing isnt that easy when you are not a programmer...
[05:35] <MasterEvilAce> ywah, but with opensource you can basically go to a forum and tell people what you're wanting fixed
[05:35] <MasterEvilAce> and someone can do it
[05:35] <KDEfanboy> MasterEvilAce: yep, I noticed that adept does do that in its present state (at least the one that was there before the last upgrade). that's true. there, you're talking about runtime problems, though, not crashing. well, when a program crashes, it's basically because it's trying to access or run code in invalid memory spaces, so for an ordinary user, "oops" is about the best you can do because it's not understandable. in windows, i
[05:35] <KDEfanboy>  that's the best you can do
[05:35] <dereks> antx: thats not true, there are tons of tasks, what do you do for a living
[05:36] <MasterEvilAce> KDEfanboy: Ah, very true
[05:37] <antx> a while ago I had a problem with Klaptop, I checked the docs and found that it was totaly outdated and did not fit the program anymore. I posted a bugreport and offered my help with the docs, but that was it since then...
[05:37] <antx> Im an artist...
[05:38] <dereks> antx: they need LOTS of artists
[05:38] <Hobbsee> antx: grab kpowersave instead :P
[05:38] <Hobbsee> ah yes, see #ubuntu-art for artists, i think
[05:38] <dereks> antx: http://kde.org/support/#Contributing
[05:38] <RadiantFire> antx: http://appeal.kde.org/wiki/Oxygen
[05:38] <_andy> hello
[05:38] <_andy> how can i get me mp3's till play?
[05:38] <aseigo> antx: if you are still interested in writing docu, email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>=)
[05:38] <dereks> antx: they need people in documentation AND art
[05:38] <aseigo> antx: they'll point you in the right direction
[05:39] <aseigo> antx: and yes, artists are always in demand =)
[05:39] <antx> hold on... I have to write things down...
[05:40] <KDEfanboy> _andy: which players have you tried?
[05:41] <_andy> im new till this
[05:41] <_andy> none
[05:41] <_andy> lol
[05:42] <MasterEvilAce> _andy: you want to be able to play mp3s?
[05:42] <RadiantFire> try clicking on your mp3 files and seeing what happens then
[05:42] <_andy> yes
[05:42] <_andy> ok
[05:42] <_andy> i'll try now
[05:42] <_andy> brb
[05:43] <KDEfanboy> oh, to be a newb. those were the days
[05:44] <eddy_o> no they werent
[05:44] <KDEfanboy> :)
[05:45] <_andy> i have till restart its not letting me into my usb hard drive lol
[05:45] <_andy> brb
[05:45] <mensur> does anyone know if there is some nice looking app installer which can be used ??
[05:46] <jjesse> mensur: are you running dapper or breezy?
[05:46] <MasterEvilAce> damn. wine is saying "could not load c:\\windows\\system32\\install.exe" : module not found"
[05:46] <mensur> jjesse: dapper... and i want to distribute one software with it
[05:47] <jjesse> mensur: hmm don't know was thrown off track by your question to be honest, i thought you were asking about installing software not distrubting softawr
[05:48] <h3sp4wn> Anyone running ubuntu on an xbox ?
[05:48] <mensur> hehe thanx anyway
[05:48] <MasterEvilAce> lmao
[05:49] <HymnToLife> h3sp4wn> !anyone :p
[05:50] <antx> here is another question: I once hit "lock session" by accident and got a loginscreen after that. put it just would not acept my password. And I really tried a lot... how come? it is my user password that it wants or not?
[05:50] <MasterEvilAce> yeah, user pass
[05:50] <visik7> kubuntu dapper fonts are tfu
[05:50] <visik7> any way to fix it ?
[05:50] <KDEfanboy> mensur: maybe this is good http://www.happypenguin.org/show?BitRock%20InstallBuilder
[05:51] <eosyn> heh I accidentally hit lock session last night
[05:51] <eosyn> it didnt lock anything, it just logged me out.. cute
[05:51] <antx> hmm... strange... I could make a new session with my password but the old one was just locked...
[05:52] <h3sp4wn> HymnToLife: Are you ? Its easy enough to get debian on it and its x86 based so I don't see why it shouldn't be relatively easy
[05:53] <HymnToLife> nope I'm not, I don't have a xbox
[05:54] <h3sp4wn> HymnToLife: I don't but am thinking that they may be quite a bit quieter than my current server
[05:55] <mensur> KDEfanboy: yes but i have heard that some of bitrock apps are containing spyware
[05:56] <KDEfanboy> oh
[05:56] <mensur> hehe
[05:57] <eddy_o> oh la la
[05:58] <yogi> Can someone tell me which pkg it is that auto-umounts a cdr drive when the eject button is pushed?  Breeay did it automagically, Dapper doesn't.
[05:58] <jjesse> yogi: it works for me correctly on dapper
[05:59] <KDEfanboy> i hope _andy didn't lose hope :(
[05:59] <MasterEvilAce> :(
[05:59] <yogi> jjesse:Hm.  Wonder why it's busted on my up-to-date system, then...?
[06:00] <yogi> jjessee:Been busted ever since the upgrade from Breezy to Dapper via FTP.
[06:00] <jjesse> yogi: don't know,sorry
[06:01] <yogi> jjesse:Right-o.  That was more-or-less rhetorical. :-)  Thanks.
[06:02] <wimpies> I still am not able to set my user session to the proper resolution.
[06:02] <wimpies> When KDM shows, the resolution is fine but when I log in then it seems that the
[06:03] <wimpies> settings for screen1 (I had / have a dual head setting) are selected
[06:03] <klerfayt> wimpies: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:06] <eddy_o> right
[06:06] <eddy_o> huys
[06:06] <eddy_o> guys even
[06:06] <MasterEvilAce> hi
[06:06] <eddy_o> how do u set up a vpn on a freshly intalled kubuntu?
[06:07] <HymnToLife> !vpn
[06:07] <ubotu> hmm... vpn is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[06:07] <eddy_o> do u need the network drivers for ur mobo or what?
[06:07] <MasterEvilAce> are there any Linux emulators?
[06:07] <MasterEvilAce> NES/SNES etc
[06:07] <eddy_o> thats useless
[06:08] <MasterEvilAce> :(
[06:08] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> why ?
[06:08] <eddy_o> no idea how that helps lol
[06:08] <HymnToLife> wait for someone else then, or maybe ask in #ubuntu
[06:08] <r0xz> is the beta2 download the RC?
[06:09] <vinboy> no
[06:10] <r0xz> cool, something to wait for then
[06:15] <eddy_o> uhh im stuck again :(
[06:15] <MasterEvilAce> where
[06:16] <eddy_o> asrock doesnt do any drivers for linux...
[06:16] <eddy_o> i have an asrock mobo
[06:16] <eddy_o> :/
[06:17] <MasterEvilAce> there needs to be more programs out there that move animated characters around your desktop
[06:17] <eddy_o> ...
[06:17] <eddy_o> how do i get the drivers in on linux?
[06:17] <klerfayt> MasterEvilAce: there are
[06:18] <wimpies> klerfayt : nope ... that does not help ... it still uses 640x480 after I login (which corresponds to screen1 settings)
[06:18] <klerfayt> wimpies: menu>system settings
[06:18] <eddy_o> help meeeee :'(
[06:18] <klerfayt> wimpies: menu>system settings>display
[06:18] <XVampireX> eddy_o: What drivers?
[06:18] <wimpies> Strangely enough, in system settings the display configuration does not work (it does not show anything)
[06:19] <wimpies> On my laptop it does so I presume I am missing some module or something but which ?
[06:19] <XVampireX> MasterEvilAce: nes/snes use zsnes
[06:19] <XVampireX> eddy_o: What drivers?
[06:20] <h3sp4wn> MasterEvilAce: You are probably better off building the pre release 1.43 versions from source (They run alot lot faster / better)
[06:20] <MasterEvilAce> it's a shame the noob windows stuff carried over to linux. i click X on a program, it tells me it's in system tray. you close from system tray and the program asks if you meant to close it.. ugh
[06:21] <MasterEvilAce> h3sp4wn, XVampireX: thanks
[06:22] <eddy_o> nm vampire:)
[06:22] <XVampireX> MasterEvilAce: I didn't notice it but yeah, actually, sometimes it's a good thing to get confirmation, it's not Kubuntu/KDE's fault, it's programmers "fault", but it's easier for people who didn't intentionally click on it, some people have reflexes to do it
[06:23] <XVampireX> eddy_o: that gaming vpn thingy, just do it, it should work.
[06:24] <dracflamloc> hey. i dunno what happened. i restarted my computer, and now after i click login, the screen goes blank for a second then the login screen pops up again
[06:25] <XVampireX> What did you do before it?
[06:25] <dracflamloc> nothing that i can think of
[06:25] <dracflamloc> it was just sitting there
[06:26] <XVampireX> Does it bother you? Is it really a problem?
[06:26] <XVampireX> Ah, wait
[06:26] <dracflamloc> i mean it cant start kde
[06:26] <XVampireX> nevermind, I'm kinda dizzy, didn't sleep for a while
[06:26] <MasterEvilAce> anyone know if there's a way to stream music from a network drive (using Samba) through amaroK?
[06:26] <MasterEvilAce> plugin or somethin'
[06:27] <XVampireX> MasterEvilAce: Maybe :P
[06:27] <XVampireX> dracflamloc: Did you update recently?
[06:28] <dracflamloc> mm. no
[06:28] <XVampireX> You dual booting ubuntu and kubuntu?
[06:28] <dracflamloc> nah, just kubuntu
[06:28] <dracflamloc> no dual boot
[06:29] <XVampireX> KDM might have failed loading something
[06:29] <XVampireX> Did you try getting into the safe thingy?
[06:29] <dracflamloc> yea failsafe seems to work
[06:29] <dracflamloc> just opens a konsole window
[06:30] <dracflamloc> no border
[06:30] <XVampireX> Oh
[06:30] <XVampireX> Yeah, KDM failed to load something
[06:30] <dracflamloc> is there a kde log?
[06:30] <XVampireX> You'll need to ask someone else :P
[06:31] <XVampireX> I'm not that advanced but I know a little bit what might be going on
[06:31] <KDEfanboy> MasterEvilAce: what does playing through the kioslave do?
[06:31] <XVampireX> Log? There might be, try to see what fails to load during startup
[06:32] <MasterEvilAce> KDEfanboy: No idea what that means
[06:33] <dracflamloc> hrm
[06:33] <_usuario> HOLA!
[06:33] <dracflamloc> only thing i see in kdm.log is some errors regarding synaptics touchpad
[06:33] <KDEfanboy> dracflamloc: maybe you are looking for ~/.xsession-errors, where X stdout goes
[06:33] <XVampireX> not related to synaptic
[06:33] <_usuario> que hay?
[06:33] <_usuario> sale, que esten bien!
[06:33] <XVampireX> lol
[06:34] <KDEfanboy> MasterEvilAce: using the smb:// kioslave. if it plays ok, you might be able to build a playlist and point files to it
[06:34] <dracflamloc> KDEfanboy, x is fine i think since the kdm shows up ok
[06:34] <dracflamloc> nothing in .xsession-erros
[06:34] <ll_one> hello :)
[06:35] <ll_one> I'm trying to enable direct rendering on my apple laptop (ATI), does anyone here know know where to look for help?
[06:35] <jarlath> Can anybody tell me how to restart my network when my wifi connection is lost? I've tried the script in the init.d folder 'networking restart', but it doesnt change things. At present, only rebooting reconnects me to the network.
[06:36] <dracflamloc> =(
[06:36] <ll_one> jarlath: do you use dhcp? Then you prob have to restart the dhcp daemon
[06:38] <jarlath> ll_one, I have also tried 'dhclient wlan0'. but it never establishes a connection.
[06:38] <KDEfanboy> dracflamloc: completely empty?? there should be a lot output from various kde startup apps.. you can check /var/log/kdm.log* .. then try starting kde manually without kdm from a login console
[06:38] <Sweet_kate> hello everybody
[06:38] <jarlath> Maybe its not the same thing though. I will try killing theh daemon too.
[06:38] <KDEfanboy> hey kate
[06:39] <dracflamloc> KDEfanboy, kdm.log has alot of stuff. only errors i see are regarding synaptics touchpad
[06:41] <Sweet_kate> if i right-click on desktop it  does not appear the menu that once appeared!! hopw can i restore it??
[06:41] <KDEfanboy> dracflamloc: hmm next is to then stop kdm and use startx from a login console and see the output directly
[06:42] <eddy_o> whats the root password?
[06:42] <XVampireX> just use sudo
[06:42] <eddy_o> sudo?
[06:42] <MasterEvilAce> eddy_o: first rule of sudo, don't talk about sudo
[06:42] <eddy_o> ...
[06:42] <eddy_o> ?
[06:43] <KDEfanboy> rofl
[06:43] <eddy_o> anyway
[06:43] <hastesaver> !tell eddy_o about root
[06:43] <eddy_o> whats the root pw? :p
[06:43] <MasterEvilAce> eddy_o: that's a security risk, we can't!
[06:43] <MasterEvilAce> don't give out your root password!
[06:43] <klerfayt> !root
[06:43] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[06:43] <eddy_o> ty :)
[06:43] <MasterEvilAce> aw, we could have had him confused all day
[06:43] <MasterEvilAce> stupid ubotu bot
[06:43] <nixternal> lol
[06:43] <eddy_o> :p
[06:44] <eddy_o> bitch :p
[06:44] <MasterEvilAce> :)
[06:44] <eddy_o> well
[06:44] <eddy_o> apparently to set up my vpn i have to do this
[06:44] <eddy_o> To configure or create a VPN connection you need to run the PPTP client as root,
[06:44] <eddy_o> # pptpconfig.php
[06:44] <eddy_o> how do i do that then?
[06:44] <KDEfanboy> MasterEvilAce: did smb:// work for amaroK streaming by chance?
[06:45] <MasterEvilAce> KDEfanboy: ? best i could figure was i went to the share folder itself and did an open with amaroK. it opens then closes amarok
[06:45] <MasterEvilAce> KDEfanboy: i read though to mount the drive to a folder and it'll work, so i'm doing that now
[06:45] <hastesaver> eddy_o, read the RootSudo page. In short, "running something as root" ~ "running it with sudo".
[06:46] <KDEfanboy> MasterEvilAce: ah
[06:47] <macd> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/737380   < Does anyone see why DRI wouldnt be working? It appears to be loaded and finds dev/dri
[06:49] <eddy_o> its all gibberish
[06:49] <eddy_o> i cant understand it :'(
[06:50] <MasterEvilAce> that's cause it's the european alphabet
[06:50] <XVampireX> Woot
[06:50] <eddy_o> :s
[06:50] <eddy_o> erm
[06:50] <dracflamloc> ok i got it
[06:50] <eddy_o> http://linux.ncl.ac.uk/vpn/
[06:50] <dracflamloc> somehow
[06:50] <dracflamloc> =P
[06:51] <KDEfanboy> yay!
[06:51] <eddy_o> can someone show me how i am to do this
[06:51] <XVampireX> You can become root through running the command: sudo su
[06:51] <eddy_o> step by step?
[06:53] <eddy_o> :/
[06:53] <eddy_o> wheres the command line?
[06:53] <zambba> Open Konsole
[06:53] <HymnToLife> !cli
[06:53] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> eddy_o: If you need to be root you can just press session new root shell from konsole
[06:55] <aitor> hi
[06:56] <aitor> would you recommend me to upgrade from breezy to dapper or to wait the remaining 2 weeks?
[06:56] <eddy_o> ohhh
[06:57] <antx> well 2 weeks, I think you can survive this...
[06:59] <eddy_o> erm
[06:59] <eddy_o> it sayd command not found
[06:59] <eddy_o> *said
[07:00] <pipe> Kubuntu spanish????
[07:00] <hastesaver> !es
[07:00] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:00] <pipe> ok
[07:02] <KDEfanboy> hehe, nice
[07:05] <XVampireX> WOW! Piracy law enforced in europe I hear, that's good for the Free Software world!
[07:06] <klerfayt> XVampireX: piracy law?
[07:06] <XVampireX> anti-piracy
[07:06] <OdyX> XVampireX: URL ?
[07:07] <XVampireX> no URL but a friend of mine told me
[07:07] <XVampireX> some 10k people arrested
[07:07] <OdyX> !?
[07:07] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, OdyX
[07:09] <MasterEvilAce> 10,000?
[07:09] <XVampireX> "btw, there's a new law in europe" "that is kinda freaky" "10000 people were already arrested for that" "yeah there are people that sit and watch u downloading illegal stuff" "then they use your IP to figure out who u are" "and then the police comes and arrests u"
[07:09] <MasterEvilAce> like a huge piracy ring
[07:09] <MasterEvilAce> or a bunch of nobodys?
[07:09] <eddy_o> tarball pptp-1.7.0.tar.gz
[07:09] <eddy_o> src.rpm pptp-1.7.0-1.src.rpm
[07:09] <eddy_o> i386.rpm pptp-1.7.0-1.i386.rpm
[07:09] <eddy_o> x86_64.rpm pptp-1.7.0-1.x86_64.rpm
[07:09] <eddy_o> which one do i want?
[07:09] <XVampireX> i386
[07:09] <XVampireX> but
[07:09] <eddy_o> i have no idea how to extract this stuff
[07:09] <XVampireX> What system are you using?
[07:09] <XVampireX> and
[07:09] <XVampireX> You don't want either one of them if there is a deb package
[07:09] <XVampireX> RPM is not for ubuntu/kubuntu
[07:09] <MasterEvilAce> rpm -ivh blah.rpm
[07:10] <eddy_o> linux
[07:10] <eddy_o> kubuntu breezy
[07:10] <MasterEvilAce> Dapper is a cooler codename than breezy
[07:11] <XVampireX> Ah, I'd suggest you compile it then
[07:11] <XVampireX> Get tarball
[07:11] <hastesaver> eddy_o, check the repos first (apt-cache search pptp)
[07:11] <XVampireX> Yeah
[07:11] <I_Eat_Plastic> I'm trying to install kubuntu on my laptop. It's stuck at "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel.".. Is it actually doing anything? I'm not getting any output. Ubuntu is already installed on it, and installed fine.
[07:11] <hastesaver> eddy_o, there are at least three packages that might do what you want
[07:12] <XVampireX> It's there
[07:13] <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: I've had similar problems, you need to go to grub
[07:14] <I_Eat_Plastic> XVampireX thanks.
[07:14] <XVampireX> And use earlier kernel
[07:14] <XVampireX> Latest kernel seems to be faulty
[07:15] <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: If you notice during the startup it doesn't mount root file system
[07:16] <knanand> hi all
[07:16] <HymnToLife> [19:15]  <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: If you notice during the startup it doesn't mount root file system <= now THAT's an annoying bug
[07:16] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[07:16] <MasterEvilAce> yeah that would be
[07:16] <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: So it is stuck in the place where you said
[07:17] <knanand> How can i install kdm instead of gdm??
[07:17] <XVampireX> Here's the article the one who told me about the anti-piracy law
[07:17] <XVampireX> http://www.e-recht24.de/artikel/urheberrecht/72.html
[07:17] <XVampireX> use babelfish for translation
[07:18] <I_Eat_Plastic> XVampireX: Yeah, I'll see about manualy installing it.
[07:18] <knanand> how to install KDM???
[07:18] <eddy_o> wha?
[07:18] <HymnToLife> knanand> youmean KDE ?
[07:18] <eddy_o> 17:25]  <XVampireX> Ah, I'd suggest you compile it then
[07:18] <eddy_o> [17:25]  <XVampireX> Get tarball
[07:18] <eddy_o> [17:25]  <hastesaver> eddy_o, check the repos first (apt-cache search pptp)
[07:18] <eddy_o> [17:25]  <XVampireX> Yeah
[07:18] <eddy_o> no idea what u guys r saying
[07:19] <eddy_o> ok how do u open a tarball on linux?
[07:19] <hastesaver> eddy_o, type "apt-cache search pptp"
[07:19] <XVampireX> eddy
[07:19] <XVampireX> do
[07:19] <XVampireX> sudo apt-get install pptp
[07:19] <hastesaver> eddy_o, drop the tarball, untill you're very sure there's no other way :)
[07:19] <XVampireX> wait
[07:19] <MasterEvilAce> eddy do jumping jacks
[07:19] <XVampireX> sudo apt-get install pptp-linux
[07:19] <knanand> HymnToLife:  i mean K Login manager (wat ever its called)
[07:20] <XVampireX> knanand: That's KDM, and what is the problem with it?
[07:20] <HymnToLife> knanand> isn't it enabled by defaut if you run KDE ?
[07:20] <XVampireX> Yeah, it's enabled by default :P
[07:20] <I_Eat_Plastic> Anyone know what packages I must unintall to rid of gnome?
[07:20] <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: yeah
[07:20] <HymnToLife> I_Eat_Plastic> hmm nautilus ?
[07:21] <eddy_o> huh?
[07:21] <XVampireX> Wait
[07:21] <eddy_o> AAAAAH
[07:21] <eddy_o> i still have no idea
[07:21] <HymnToLife> !caps
[07:21] <ubotu> FYI, typing in ALL CAPS is considered to be 'yelling', and therefore rude behaviour.
[07:21] <knanand> i am not able to shut-down or restart.. i can only log-off...
[07:21] <eddy_o> ok, say i dl the tarball, move it to my pc
[07:21] <I_Eat_Plastic> Heh, thanks.
[07:21] <eddy_o> i have it on the desktop, what do i do
[07:21] <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: libgnome2-0
[07:21] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> don't dl the tarball unless you sure there's no other way, what are you trying to install ?
[07:21] <XVampireX> sudo apt-get remove libgnome2-0
[07:22] <XVampireX> It will uninstall most things gnome
[07:22] <HymnToLife> I remember messing my GNOME up once when trying to remove the useless evolutions
[07:22] <knanand> HymnToLife: i am not able to shut-down or restart.. i can only log-off...
[07:22] <HymnToLife> evolution*
[07:22] <I_Eat_Plastic> XVampireX: Thanks
[07:22] <HymnToLife> lnan
[07:23] <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: No problems
[07:23] <HymnToLife> knanand* what happens when you try to reboot ?
[07:23] <eddy_o> hymn its a pptp thing
[07:23] <HymnToLife> !info pptp
[07:23] <knanand> HymnToLife:  there is only one button "End Current Session"
[07:24] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> did you search for it in the repos ?
[07:24] <eddy_o> i know i gotta get this thing on my pc
[07:24] <eddy_o> right
[07:24] <eddy_o> but its in a tarball pptp-1.7.0.tar.gz
[07:24] <eddy_o> src.rpm pptp-1.7.0-1.src.rpm
[07:24] <eddy_o> i386.rpm pptp-1.7.0-1.i386.rpm
[07:24] <eddy_o> x86_64.rpm pptp-1.7.0-1.x86_64.rpm
[07:25] <eddy_o> or one of them
[07:25] <eddy_o> and i need it on my pc
[07:25] <eddy_o> how do i install it?
[07:26] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> you have lots of pptp packages in the repos
[07:26] <HymnToLife> !info pptpd
[07:26] <ubotu> pptpd: (PoPToP Point to Point Tunneling Server), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-4 (breezy), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 248 kB
[07:28] <knanand> HymnToLife: there is only one button "End Current Session"
[07:28] <HymnToLife> knanand> I read it the first time, and I have no idea about it sorry
[07:29] <eddy_o> huh?
[07:29] <eddy_o> where do i get that from?
[07:30] <HymnToLife> sudo apt-get install packagename
[07:30] <knanand> HymnToLife: i have recently upgraded from ubuntu.. do you know wer to change the Login Manager... wer de settings are stored..??
[07:30] <_unclemo> spanish?
[07:30] <HymnToLife> !es
[07:30] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:30] <Kejk_PL> knanand: install kdm
[07:30] <knanand> HymnToLife:  how
[07:31] <I_Eat_Plastic> !de
[07:31] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu oder Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de
[07:31] <eddy_o> [17:43]  <HymnToLife> sudo apt-get install packagename <--- i dont need to dl anything?
[07:31] <HymnToLife> knanand> sudo apt-get install kdm I guess
[07:31] <Kejk_PL> knanand: aptitude install kdm
[07:31] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> it will automagically download and install it
[07:32] <eddy_o> not if i need pptp to connect to the onternet :p
[07:32] <eddy_o> internet
[07:32] <KDEfanboy> heh
[07:32] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> hold on a sec
[07:32] <eddy_o> il have to download SOMETHING and move it to my pc... (this isnt the linux pc
[07:32] <eddy_o> )
[07:33] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> you can download the PPTP client from here : http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/net/pptp-linux
[07:34] <HymnToLife> then move it to your linux pc and run        sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:34] <eddy_o> my uni linked me to this -> http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/#download
[07:36] <HymnToLife> It tells you tu use any distro specific stuff instead of that one
[07:36] <HymnToLife> !pptp
[07:36] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, HymnToLife
[07:36] <HymnToLife> I guess the Ubuntu-thing to use PPTP is the one I sent you
[07:36] <eddy_o> what u mean?
[07:36] <eddy_o> im on kubunt
[07:37] <slow-motion> re
[07:37] <eddy_o> u
[07:37] <eddy_o> erm
[07:37] <eddy_o> i want the amd64 one?
[07:37] <HymnToLife> I mean that the link you gave is a relatively generalist thing, there are specific - and easier - ways for each distro
[07:37] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> depends on which version you installed
[07:37] <eddy_o> right
[07:37] <eddy_o> kubuntu :p
[07:38] <HymnToLife> Ubuntu and Kubuntu use the same packages, go for it :)
[07:38] <eddy_o> right
[07:38] <eddy_o> which thing do i wana click on?
[07:38] <HymnToLife> click on "amd64", it will give you a list of mirror to download the package
[07:39] <eddy_o> right
[07:39] <eddy_o> i have a .deb
[07:39] <eddy_o> what do i do with it?
[07:40] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> copy it to the other pc
[07:40] <eddy_o> then what?
[07:40] <HymnToLife> and run sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:41] <eddy_o> how do i run that
[07:43] <eddy_o> ?
[07:43] <eddy_o> on the root thing?
[07:46] <KDEfanboy> yep
[07:50] <eddy_o> kool
[07:55] <eddy_o> um
[07:56] <eddy_o> can someone scroll up and paste me the command i got instructed to use?
[07:56] <eddy_o> please
[07:56] <abattoir> eddy_o: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:56] <KDEfanboy> heh
[07:56] <eddy_o> -i?
[07:57] <abattoir> yes, that's 'install' i guess
[07:59] <eddy_o> it says no such directory
[07:59] <eddy_o> where does the file need to be?
[07:59] <Monkee13> how would I setuid root for my screen saver?
[08:00] <abattoir> eddy_o: the file can be anywhere...
[08:00] <abattoir> but you need to change the directory...
[08:00] <eddy_o> but i did tat command..
[08:00] <eddy_o> what do?
[08:00] <abattoir> try 'cd /path/to/file'
[08:00] <eddy_o> huh?
[08:00] <abattoir> sorry '/path/to/dir'
[08:00] <abattoir> where is the file?
[08:00] <eddy_o> on the desktop
[08:01] <abattoir> ok, so type 'cd Desktop'
[08:01] <abattoir> w/o the quotes :)
[08:01] <eddy_o> k
[08:01] <abattoir> the prompt should have changed now
[08:01] <abattoir> has it?
[08:01] <eddy_o> no such file or directory
[08:01] <eddy_o> :/
[08:02] <abattoir> are you in your home directory?
[08:02] <eddy_o> yeah
[08:03] <abattoir> try the command ls
[08:04] <abattoir> ok sorry, type 'cd ~/Desktop'
[08:04] <abattoir> am really sleepy here :(
[08:04] <eddy_o> its ok :)
[08:04] <abattoir> does that work?
[08:04] <eddy_o> no such file or directory...
[08:05] <eddy_o> :/
[08:05] <XVampireX> abattoir: same here
[08:05] <XVampireX> I mean, I'm also sleepy :P
[08:05] <eddy_o> its on the desktop.. i dunno argh
[08:05] <abattoir> eddy_o doesnt the graphical installer work?
[08:05] <eddy_o> the what now?
[08:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[08:05] <abattoir> i.e right click on the file-> Install package?
[08:05] <eddy_o> u mean clicking on it?
[08:05] <eddy_o> no it kinda doesnt
[08:06] <abattoir> XVampireX: :) , i also have a flight to catch in the morning ;)
[08:06] <macd> right-click --> then select install package
[08:06] <macd> dont double click it ;)
[08:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somebody here is experienced with ATI multiple desktop?
[08:07] <eddy_o> ah
[08:07] <antx> desktops? or do you mean screens?
[08:07] <eddy_o> it says it wants an i386
[08:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[08:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> screens
[08:08] <eddy_o> so i dl the i386?
[08:08] <XVampireX> weeeeeee :D
[08:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> they look as separate kde desktop, with the only difference i can navigate from one to the other
[08:08] <abattoir> eddy_o: what processor?
[08:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> so somebody knows about it? i have something to ask
[08:08] <klerfayt> why is it so that if I want to remove katapult I have to also remove "kubuntu-desktop" ?
[08:08] <abattoir> eddy_o: also, what is the output of 'uname -r' ?
[08:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> klerfayt: the latter is only a meta-package
[08:09] <MasterEvilAce> trying to mount on boot, but it's root-only... so it's not working very well. any ideas?
[08:09] <eddy_o> i have an amd64
[08:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> that is, depends from a list of package that a user that want to install kubuntu in his desktop version, is likely to install
[08:09] <abattoir> eddy_o: and the output of 'uname -r' ?
[08:10] <antx> well, I have a 2nd screen attached to my notebook, but I can only use one at a time...
[08:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if you decide to install that one, the system have to install all the dependancies..
[08:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx: meh, i can use both of them
[08:10] <klerfayt> Tallia1Kubuntu: is doesn't mean that I'll loose something else?
[08:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> klerfayt: nope
[08:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> klerfayt: for sure!! :)
[08:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if you see in details -> installed files, you will see.. .it's empty!
[08:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx: when xorg starts, two different kde systems are istantiated
[08:12] <antx> when I detach the CRT-screen my notebook screen is used, otherwise only the CRT is used and I can not change this in the settings...
[08:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx: with the particularity that i can move from one to the other
[08:12] <eddy_o> it said package (amd64) does not match system (i386)
[08:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, do you have an ATI?
[08:12] <eddy_o> whats uname -r?
[08:12] <antx> yes
[08:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, do you have ATI propetary drivers?
[08:12] <abattoir> eddy_o: its a command which tells which kernel you are using
[08:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ( installed i mean :P )
[08:13] <antx> ati mobility radeon 9700
[08:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx: ? the drivers?
[08:13] <eddy_o> right
[08:13] <eddy_o> erm
[08:14] <abattoir> eddy_o: you can install both 32-bit Operating Systems(x86,i386) and 64-bit Operating systems(amd64,x86_64) on an AMD 64 processor.
[08:14] <antx> I use the drivers that came with the Kbuntu DVD. the propritary ones were too hard to install
[08:14] <abattoir> eddy_o: i suspect you have installed the 32-bit version, i386
[08:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, you shoulda check now!! they are in the Repositories, they are supereasy to install
[08:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, let me give you this link
[08:14] <abattoir> eddy_o: that's why i want to know the output of uname-r
[08:15] <eddy_o> ern
[08:15] <abattoir> sorry, uname -r
[08:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, jump over the part that regards compilation, and go to the packaged driver part :)
[08:15] <eddy_o> 2.6.12-9-386
[08:15] <antx> I have kubuntu 5.1 and I tried only 3 weeks ago
[08:15] <abattoir> eddy_o: yes, as i suspected...
[08:15] <eddy_o> what happened
[08:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx: my FPS went up of 20x
[08:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, i see :)
[08:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it's very easy to set them on
[08:15] <abattoir> even though you have an amd64 processor, you have installed a 32-bit operating system
[08:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the only annoying thing is the xorg.conf file..
[08:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i can give you an hand
[08:16] <antx> I can imagine they are faster...
[08:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you can copy and paste
[08:16] <abattoir> eddy_o: if you want to use a 64-bit OS, amd64, you should have installed from a different CD
[08:16] <eddy_o> yeah ofc i did
[08:16] <eddy_o> i have both
[08:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[08:16] <eddy_o> but i put the 32 on cs 64 is buggy
[08:16] <eddy_o> well didgy
[08:16] <eddy_o> dodgy
[08:17] <eddy_o> so what do i do about it?
[08:17] <eddy_o> i dont want a 64 bit OS
[08:17] <eddy_o> i just want this 32 bit one and i wana get  this bastard program running
[08:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, do you want to try?
[08:18] <abattoir> eddy_o: then you should install the i386 version of the package
[08:18] <abattoir> not the amd64 version
[08:18] <eddy_o> so
[08:18] <eddy_o> i got the i386 thing
[08:18] <eddy_o> but it doesnt like it
[08:18] <eddy_o> there isnt an install thing on the right click
[08:19] <abattoir> eddy_o: what is the name of the package... exactly?
[08:19] <eddy_o> pptp-1.7.0-1.i386.rpm
[08:19] <nico8481> :))
[08:21] <abattoir> eddy_o: there is not Install package submenu under Actions?
[08:21] <wimpies> how do I enable xv on an ATI fglrx board ?
[08:21] <antx> erm... I think I just stick with the drivers that I have... All that stuff looks so hacked together, at least I have something now... I just hope one day all this will be easier...
[08:21] <abattoir> eddy_o: huh, back to the command line then :(
[08:21] <eddy_o> no
[08:21] <eddy_o> i guess
[08:21] <eddy_o> sec
[08:21] <abattoir> eddy_o: funny cd ~/Desktop doesnt work
[08:21] <MasterEvilAce> Booting without root (or sudo)... how?
[08:21] <dereks> what is with everyone command line phobia
[08:21] <MasterEvilAce> ER
[08:21] <MasterEvilAce> not booting
[08:21] <MasterEvilAce> mounting
[08:22] <hastesaver> abattoir, what do you mean it doesn't work?
[08:22] <slow-motion> bbl
[08:22] <abattoir> hastesaver: eddy_o says it gives him no such file or directory
[08:22] <hastesaver> eddy_o, did you type *exactly* "cd ~/Desktop" (without the quotes)? And as normal user, not as root?
[08:25] <eddy_o> i moved the file into my personal files
[08:25] <eddy_o> it recognises it now but i stoill get an error
[08:25] <eddy_o> saying it is not debian or something
[08:25] <abattoir> eddy_o: the exact output might be helpful. :)
[08:25] <eddy_o> sigh.. itl take ages
[08:25] <abattoir> if it is long, you can post it at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[08:26] <abattoir> eddy_o: aargh... my mistake
[08:26] <abattoir> you seem to be installing an rmp
[08:26] <abattoir> rpm
[08:26] <abattoir> you should install a .deb
[08:26] <abattoir> where did you get the file?
[08:27] <hastesaver> eddy_o, make sure you're not running it as root. (You were the one asking for the root password a little while ago?)
[08:27] <abattoir> you should have got it from an ubuntu mirror
[08:27] <abattoir> hastesaver: he is trying to install an rpm
[08:28] <eddy_o> yeah im running it as root
[08:29] <eddy_o> subprocess bpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[08:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu_> somebody here is experienced with ATI propetary drivers - multiple screens?
[08:29] <abattoir> eddy_o: you are running breezy right?
[08:29] <eddy_o> yeah
[08:29] <abattoir> one sec, i'll try to find you the package
[08:30] <eddy_o> thx :)
[08:32] <MasterEvilAce> omg DIE LINUX
[08:32] <eddy_o> ...
[08:32] <eddy_o> ?
[08:32] <MasterEvilAce> i can't mount a damn folder without root
[08:32] <abattoir> eddy_o: one sec...
[08:32] <abattoir> there are 2 packages
[08:32] <abattoir> pptpd and pptp-linux
[08:33] <abattoir> they also seem to have dependencies
[08:33] <abattoir> eddy_o: i am sorry if you have answered this earlier
[08:33] <abattoir> why dont you install it through
[08:33] <abattoir> adept?
[08:33] <eddy_o> adept?
[08:33] <abattoir> eddy_o: that is kubuntu's package manager
[08:34] <eddy_o> uh...
[08:34] <eddy_o> never heard of it
[08:34] <eddy_o> all i knew about linux was the name before today
[08:34] <abattoir> Alt+F2 -> adept
[08:34] <eddy_o> remember that :(
[08:34] <eddy_o> ok
[08:34] <dickhall> it's also under the system tab in your K menu
[08:34] <ossosso> hi everyone!
[08:35] <dickhall> or Alt-Space -> Adept if you've got katapult going
[08:35] <MasterEvilAce> Help mount without root
[08:35] <MasterEvilAce> Help mount without root
[08:35] <ossosso> I've yet installed this packets: kubuntu-desktop and Kde (previously I had Ubuntu)
[08:35] <ossosso> now all seems to work.. but it's all in english :) can I translate it in Italian?
[08:36] <abattoir> eddy_o: has adept been launched?
[08:36] <eddy_o> nothing happened/...
[08:36] <abattoir> ok sorry, click the Kmenu button....
[08:36] <hastesaver> MasterEvilAce, you usually mount filesystems, not single folders... what exactly are you trying? Maybe it's not to do with mounting at all...
[08:36] <eddy_o> ok what do i do once adept is launched
[08:36] <eddy_o> i launched it dw
[08:37] <abattoir> oh ok cool
[08:37] <abattoir> now in searchbar, type pptp
[08:37] <eddy_o> okies
[08:37] <dickhall> ossosso: Kmenu->System Settings->Regional and Accessibility->Country Region and Language
[08:37] <abattoir> there are 2 packages
[08:37] <abattoir> eddy_o: i think you should install both
[08:37] <ossosso> thanks dickhall!
[08:38] <dickhall> no prob
[08:38] <dickhall> never heard of linux and you're trying to get pptp going? ambitious :)
[08:38] <MasterEvilAce> hastesaver: basically trying to get amaroK to stream my networked music. someone said they mounted it and got it to work.. which is possible.. and they mentioned mounting it at startup. but you can't mount period unless you have root
[08:38] <DevGet> I have problems with gmail's smtp in kmail
[08:38] <eddy_o> yay
[08:39] <hastesaver> MasterEvilAce, yes, that's true. If you don't have root access, get the admin user to do it for you
[08:39] <eddy_o> it found it, i clicked intsall and now its supposedly installed
[08:39] <MasterEvilAce> hastesaver: I am the admin user
[08:39] <abattoir> eddy_o: sorry, i just picked up the conversation in the middle, else would have pointed to adept ages ago :)
[08:39] <eddy_o> it found one anyway
[08:39] <eddy_o> its ok :)
[08:39] <MasterEvilAce> hastesaver: well whatever.. i just need amarok to play networked music :(
[08:39] <DevGet> I have set server to smtp.gmail.com, port to 465, SSL, and PLAIN
[08:39] <hastesaver> MasterEvilAce, then you can do it with "sudo"
[08:39] <eddy_o> so now i have it "installed"
[08:39] <eddy_o> how do i run it?
[08:40] <MasterEvilAce> hastesaver: yeah, but i'd like it to automount at startup, though.
[08:40] <abattoir> eddy_o: sorry i have no clue about that... :(
[08:40] <abattoir> try pptpd
[08:40] <eddy_o> bugger
[08:40] <abattoir> in the ocmmand line
[08:40] <eddy_o> ok
[08:40] <MasterEvilAce> hastesaver: i'm only even mounting it because i don't know of any other way. so i prefer not to mount at all, heh
[08:40] <hastesaver> !automount
[08:40] <ubotu> hastesaver: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:41] <ossosso> dickhall?
[08:41] <dickhall> yo?
[08:41] <ossosso> under Languages there's only English
[08:42] <dickhall> hrm, just noticed that too
[08:42] <ossosso>  :)
[08:42] <ossosso> and now?
[08:42] <dickhall> try installing the "kde-i18n-it" package
[08:43] <ossosso> ok.. can you tell me where's the Synaptic link?
[08:43] <ossosso> I don't know this interface..
[08:43] <dickhall> just a guess. I haven't done any i18n stuff as I'm a native (and exclusive) english speaker
[08:43] <eddy_o> urgh
[08:43] <dickhall> what version of Kubuntu / KDE are you running?
[08:43] <dickhall> I always use adept
[08:44] <ossosso> probalby the last..
[08:44] <ossosso> I've update kubuntu from ubuntu
[08:44] <dickhall> ah, fair enough
[08:44] <ossosso> fair?
[08:44] <ossosso> do you mean old?
[08:44] <abattoir> eddy_o: what happened?
[08:44] <abattoir> command not found?
[08:44] <dickhall> no, that's just a figure of speech
[08:44] <ossosso> ah ok..
[08:45] <eddy_o> i dunno how to run it
[08:45] <ossosso> so.. where can I obtein that package?
[08:45] <abattoir> eddy_o: did you try 'pptpd' in the command line?
[08:45] <dickhall> okay, I don't know where synaptic is... you can try doing Alt+F2 (which opens a "run" dialog in kde) then typing "synaptic"
[08:46] <dickhall> (synaptic isn't included with Kubuntu by default)
[08:46] <dickhall> if that doesn't work, try running Adept, which is the KDE front-end
[08:46] <dickhall> package manager, that is
[08:47] <ossosso> haven't you kubuntu?
[08:47] <dickhall> I do have kubuntu
[08:47] <dickhall> but synaptic is not a kubuntu program
[08:47] <ossosso> ah
[08:47] <ossosso> and how do you istall packages?
[08:47] <dickhall> Adept
[08:48] <ossosso> it's the same?
[08:48] <dickhall> don't know, I've never used synaptic
[08:48] <ossosso> ok
[08:48] <dickhall> similar, probably. it's very easy to use
[08:49] <dickhall> get it working?
[08:49] <eddy_o> no
[08:49] <ossosso> under System---Language Selector
[08:49] <eddy_o> lol
[08:50] <ossosso> I can choose a language..
[08:50] <ossosso> "Italian" is yet checked...
[08:50] <eddy_o> can anyone help me run pptp-linux?
[08:50] <dickhall> yet checked?
[08:50] <eddy_o> apparently i have to configure it but i have no idea how to
[08:50] <ossosso> but it doesn't appera under Country\Region Language
[08:50] <ossosso> yes
[08:50] <eddy_o> ?
[08:51] <dickhall> is it in the Add Language menu?
[08:51] <ossosso> yes.. there's a lot of language
[08:51] <abattoir> eddy_o: maybe http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=configure+pptp-linux&btnG=Search
[08:51] <ossosso> the most unchecked, but italian is checked
[08:51] <ossosso> maybe I have to reboot
[08:51] <milian_> Hi there, what do I have to do if I want to use the php mail() function? It returnes true but no mails are sent...
[08:51] <ossosso> I don't know..
[08:52] <milian_> I read something about postfix, where can I find the postfix log ?
[08:52] <ossosso> dickhall, can you tell where's Adept link?
[08:52] <dickhall> milian_: look in /var/log
[08:53] <dickhall> ossosso: Click the K in the lower left corner, and it's in the system menu
[08:53] <dickhall> ossosso: when you say that italian is checked, is that in the system settings or in adept?
[08:53] <milian_> dickhall: thanks, I looked for something like postfix but it is named "mail.log" ...
[08:54] <ossosso> system setting
[08:54] <eddy_o> how do i start config for a package i just installed on linux?
[08:54] <dickhall> milian_: yep, mail.log
[08:55] <dickhall> ossosso: okay, well, if you apply that and it says that italian is selected, it says that it only affects newly started programs
[08:55] <dickhall> so, try starting a new program and seeing if it's in italian
[08:55] <dickhall> you need to logout and log back in to get everything in italian
[08:56] <ossosso> ok.. I try againg..
[08:59] <ossosso> dickhall?
[08:59] <ossosso> all in English :)
[08:59] <dickhall> :(
[08:59] <ossosso> ok ok... step by step..
[09:00] <ossosso> which my first step?
[09:00] <dickhall> Open adept, make sure the package "kde-i18n-it" is installed
[09:00] <ossosso> ok. wait..
[09:00] <dickhall> sure
[09:01] <GaiaX11> When I turn on the PC what can i do not to restore the previous session in kubuntu?
[09:01] <ossosso> it says "not istalled"
[09:02] <RadiantFire> GaiaX11: select default session from the menu tab in KDM
[09:02] <RadiantFire> instead of last session
[09:02] <ossosso> I made Rightclick and "install"
[09:02] <dickhall> ah. there's your problem :)
[09:02] <dickhall> okay, then you need to "Commit"
[09:02] <ossosso> now?
[09:02] <ossosso> commit?
[09:03] <dickhall> with adept, you can "preview changes", which shows which packages will be installed, and you can "commit changes" which actually installs the package
[09:03] <abattoir> GaiaX11: or you can start with an empty session w/ Session Manager
[09:03] <dickhall> "Commit Changes" is a button near the top of the Adept window, it has a green checkmark on it
[09:03] <dickhall> see it?
[09:03] <ossosso> yes but...
[09:04] <ossosso> under the package there's a button "Installa Package"
[09:04] <sonic> Anybody know how to crack a protected M$ access db file?
[09:04] <ossosso> I press it before you said of Commit Changes
[09:04] <dickhall> yes, that's correct
[09:04] <antx> that only marks it for installation
[09:04] <dickhall> "Install Package" really means "Add this package to the list of packages to install"
[09:04] <dickhall> it doesn't actually DO anything until you hit Commit
[09:04] <antx> commit is what it then really installs it
[09:05] <ossosso> but now all is blocked :(
[09:05] <dickhall> that's handy if you want to install, say, 100 packages at a time
[09:05] <dickhall> blocked? how so?
[09:05] <ossosso> just when I clicked on that button..
[09:05] <ossosso> d'oh!
[09:05] <dickhall> on commit? it should be downloading and installing the package
[09:06] <GaiaX11> RadiantFire, abattoir - thanks very much!
[09:07] <abattoir> GaiaX11: no problem :)
[09:07] <ossosso> ok it's downloading.
[09:07] <dickhall> :)
[09:08] <ossosso> which difference between the various System--->Package Menagement?
[09:08] <dickhall> do you mean Adept, Synaptic, etc.?
[09:08] <ossosso> (adept - kpackage.. and so on)
[09:09] <ossosso> yes I've four Package Menagement..
[09:09] <ossosso> Add Application - Adept - kpacakge - Syaptic
[09:09] <ossosso> everyone has different applications?
[09:09] <dickhall> I think Kpackage manages things other than (k)ubuntu packages
[09:10] <ossosso> under Adept can I do a research for package that interest to me?
[09:10] <dickhall> but Ubuntu and Kubuntu want to be easy, so they have easy tools like Adept
[09:10] <dickhall> yes, there's a search field
[09:10] <ossosso> or have I to know the precise name?
[09:10] <dickhall> and you can narrow it down to the type of application you want
[09:10] <ossosso> good..
[09:11] <ossosso> and when I check an application.. it automatically check for me the necessary package?
[09:11] <dickhall> yes
[09:11] <dickhall> to see what it's going to install, you use the "Preview Changes" button
[09:11] <dickhall> that will show you every package that will be installed if you press "Commit Changes"
[09:11] <ossosso> ok
[09:11] <ossosso> installed..
[09:11] <ossosso> now?
[09:12] <ossosso> I return under Country\Region...?
[09:12] <dickhall> yes
[09:12] <ossosso> I don't remember the path :P
[09:13] <dickhall> KMenu -> System Settings -> Regional and Accessibility :)
[09:14] <ossosso> ok .. I've added Italiano
[09:14] <ossosso> now I log out
[09:15] <dickhall> :)
[09:18] <ossosso> dickhall..
[09:18] <GaiaX11> I did not like the system configuration view of kubuntu. And it does not give me other view options! They decided for us. Linux is freedom! Isn't it?
[09:18] <ossosso> all wokrs :)
[09:18] <ossosso> grazie mille
[09:18] <dickhall> :)
[09:18] <dickhall> good to hear
[09:18] <ossosso> just the last thing
[09:19] <ossosso> kubuntu controls update automatically?
[09:19] <dickhall> do you mean, does the system automatically update itself?
[09:19] <hastesaver> GaiaX11, you can change everything :)
[09:19] <ossosso> no.. that it's advert me when I'va to donwload updats..
[09:20] <dickhall> no, it won't do that
[09:20] <ossosso> oh...
[09:20] <ossosso> where can I control updates?
[09:20] <dickhall> but what you can do, once a day or once a week or whatever you want, is open adept, click "fetch updates", and click "full upgrade"
[09:20] <dickhall> that will mark every package to be updated
[09:20] <GaiaX11> So, how to change the system configuration view?
[09:21] <ossosso> oooook
[09:21] <GaiaX11> hastesaver, So, how to change the system configuration view?
[09:21] <dickhall> you can then go into the "Preview Changes" menu to see exactly what is being upgraded
[09:21] <ossosso> thanks again
[09:22] <dickhall> so, say you wanted to upgrade everything except "Program X".  Hope that helps
[09:22] <hastesaver> GaiaX11, I don't know -- I don't even know what the "system configuration view" is. If it's just a GUI thing, then I really don't know how to change how it looks. Look in Edit->Preferences or View, or something.
[09:22] <ossosso> sure
[09:22] <ossosso> good lunch
[09:27] <ossosso> hi
[09:28] <ossosso> I noticed that Skype appears also for linux.. instead download it form the website.. does it appear under the Adept?
[09:32] <GaiaX11> hastesaver, I will try anyway. Thks
[09:36] <abattoir> ossosso: i dont think so, i.e it'd not be in the ubuntu repositories
[09:36] <ossosso> d'oh!
[09:36] <ossosso> ok thank you
[09:36] <abattoir> however, if you do install the .deb skype package, it will show up in adept as an installed package
[09:37] <esben> I'm working on switching to Kubuntu :) Just one thing left, I hope someone can help me here.
[09:37] <esben> A tale in the desert (a game) wants a so: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[09:37] <esben> Anyone know where to find that?
[09:38] <esben> It might be something from the gcc 2.96x days :/
[09:39] <NoUse> esben you might try searching http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:40] <h3sp4wn> esben: You may want to try running it from a chroot of debian woody
[09:42] <graft> hey, why doesn't kaffeine play any audio for me?
[09:42] <graft> it just says 'there were no decoders found to handle the stream'
[09:43] <esben> graft: What sort of audiofiles are you trying to play?
[09:43] <graft> just some mp3
[09:43] <graft> or no
[09:43] <graft> a wav rather
[09:43] <esben> mp3 woudl probably need some mp3 decoder installed. Wav... that is just strange :/
[09:44] <macd> !restrictedformats
[09:44] <ubotu> [restrictedformats]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[09:44] <graft> i've got the appropriate mad lib installed anyway, i can decode mp3s fine in amarok
[09:47] <graft> no ideas? anyone got kaffeine working at all?
[09:48] <chavo> graft, kaffeine works here
[09:48] <graft> using which, gstreamer or xine?
[09:49] <chavo> xine
[09:53] <da_fat_thing> hi
[09:58] <borut> hi all
[09:58] <borut> can anyone help me with installing mp3 codec
[09:59] <Blissex> !restricted
[09:59] <ubotu> restricted is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[09:59] <Blissex> !mp3
[09:59] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:59] <borut> tenks
[10:00] <|evilelf|> "thanks"
[10:07] <wimpies> anybody around that has a working fglrx ati dapper system using XVideo ?
[10:21] <dergringo> is the aircrack-ng available for dapper?
[10:22] <Bazzi> no
[10:22] <Bazzi> but can be easily compiled from source
[10:23] <dergringo> Bazzi: ok, I don't like compiling because of updating, etc.
[10:23] <Bazzi> yeah but it has no dependencies, not even a configure, just make && make install :)
[10:24] <Bazzi> but I'd like to see that as a package as well
[10:24] <Bazzi> maybe something for edgy
[10:24] <Bazzi> if you have a launchpad account feel free to ask for it ;)
[10:25] <dergringo> Bazzi: I dont have
[10:25] <Bazzi> and I'm too lazy to get used to using launchpad
[10:26] <Bazzi> but ultimately I'd like to add packages myself
[10:26] <dergringo> Bazzi: http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=downloads I found a breezy package here
[10:29] <dergringo> Bazzi: I installed without any problems on dapper
[10:32] <RadiantFire> argh, silly hibernate
[10:32] <klerfayt> RadiantFire: dapper is missing boot option "suspend=..." or something like that - that's way you can't hibernate
[10:33] <Bazzi> dergringo: such things should be in universe though :)
[10:35] <dergringo> Bazzi: agree :) aircrack(-old) is in universe afaik
[10:35] <Hrrmschmr> H'lo..
[10:35] <Hrrmschmr> ..I have a question or two..
[10:36] <Bazzi> not w/ the tools unfortunately
[10:36] <Hrrmschmr> ..if there's anyone 'round.
[10:36] <Hrrmschmr> yay! maybe.
[10:36] <RadiantFire> klerfayt: naaa, it actually was suspend, my laptop autosuspends if its unplugged and left idle for 2 long
[10:36] <RadiantFire> its kind of frustrating
[10:36] <RadiantFire> I need to figure out how to turn it off
[10:36] <dom> go for it.  chatrooms have all the answers, Hrrmschmr
[10:36] <Hrrmschmr> ..trying 'kdesu kdar' doesn't work, nor does 'kdesu konqueror' -- it seems that anything I want to start as root doesn't work if it's an X application.
[10:37] <Hrrmschmr> Inevitably, they seem unable to connect to display <whatever>(:0, :1, :2)
[10:38] <Hrrmschmr> erh.
[10:38] <Hrrmschmr> "XInputExtension" missing on display ":2.0" ..etc.
[10:38] <dom> ?
[10:38] <hamburg> hi, on bootscreen all steps = ok, only: initialized modules = failed  ?
[10:38] <Hrrmschmr> ..this is vnc.
[10:39] <dom> Hrrmschmr, you want to VNC as a regular user and the use kdesu to launch an app as super-user?
[10:41] <Hrrmschmr> Yes.
[10:41] <Hrrmschmr> I have a VNC session up and running, and it works fine.
[10:41] <Hrrmschmr> ..I'm checking right now (having someone else check) to see if the same is true non-vnc.
[10:42] <dergringo> !mp3
[10:42] <ubotu> [mp3]  a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:42] <dom> I was about to ask
[10:43] <dom> I've found VNC isn't the greatest of protocols but I haven't tried doing what you describe so I don't know what to expect for that
[10:43] <pinux> salout
[10:44] <pinux> lol 226 nick, et pas un mot ds que un pinux arrive hein !  :p
[10:48] <dom> it's a bit quiet, yets
[10:50] <GnarusLeo> hi, anyone know where my linux headers are located?D irectory containing linux kernel source code []   ?
[10:52] <Duffman> hi, does anyone know if the Kubuntu rc1 will be released today too?
[10:52] <dom> did you look in /usr/src/linux ?
[10:54] <RadiantFire> GnarusLeo: I think kernel headers are somewhere in /lib
[10:55] <GnarusLeo> /usr/src actually, but thanks
[10:55] <RadiantFire> headers are differen't than source though
[10:55] <GnarusLeo> is that why I get:
[10:55] <GnarusLeo> /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/build/include/net/sock.h:992: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of csum_and_copy_from_user differ in signedness
[10:55] <GnarusLeo> ld: frag.o: No such file: No such file or directory
[10:55] <GnarusLeo> Failed to make module "cisco_ipsec".
[10:55] <RadiantFire> GnarusLeo: are you compilining kernel modules?
[10:56] <GnarusLeo> no, Im trying to install a cisco vpn client
[10:56] <RadiantFire> what does uname -a say your kernel is?
[10:56] <RadiantFire> oh, nm
[10:56] <GnarusLeo> gnaleo@tryodin:~/tempo/vpnclient$ uname -r
[10:56] <GnarusLeo> 2.6.12-10-386
[10:57] <RadiantFire> GnarusLeo: insteall linux-headers-386
[10:57] <RadiantFire> and try it again
[10:57] <GnarusLeo> ok, ty
[10:58] <GnarusLeo> still, the same
[10:59] <esben> h3sp4wn, NoUse: Thank you both. As it turns out, the application needed to have a setup script run to use the new libstdc++. No idea why I didn't think about that.
[10:59] <GnarusLeo> you think I am missing something RadiantFire ?
[11:00] <RadiantFire> i don't know
[11:00] <RadiantFire> same error?
[11:01] <RadiantFire> I don't know then
[11:01] <GnarusLeo> yep
[11:02] <nixternal> how come there isn't a kubuntu laptop testing community like there is for ubuntu?
[11:03] <RadiantFire> good question
[11:03] <sistema> Hola
[11:04] <nixternal> i have been testing dapper  on a laptop now for over a month...and everything is ubuntu
[11:04] <nixternal> there isn't much for kubuntu in the launchpad either and i wish there was...kind of makes supporting a little more difficult
[11:04] <RadiantFire> that is kind of annoying
[11:05] <[mX] > anyone know how to run an app in X as a different user? xhost doesn't appear to work..
[11:10] <RogueJediX> Does anyone have the rss-glx package installed? I can't get the screensavers to work
[11:13] <esben> Any AMD64 expects here? If I have an extra 32-bit .so file I want to get picked up by needing applications, where should I stuff it? I see no /usr/local/lib32
[11:16] <Riddell> topic diff: 6.06LTS Release Candidate out
[11:16] <Hrrmschmr> ohkee.
[11:16] <Hrrmschmr> Sorry.
[11:16] <Hrrmschmr> (I was talking to someone earlier and disappeared)
[11:17] <Hrrmschmr> Here's the deal:  It's only KDE programs that have this issue.
[11:17] <Hrrmschmr> kdesu nautilus makes a happy root nautilus window.
[11:17] <Hrrmschmr> kdesu kdar, konqueror, and such gets stuck.
[11:18] <Hrrmschmr> This is after an install of kubuntu dapper from flight 7.
[11:18] <Duffman> WooHoo!
[11:19] <Hrrmschmr> (and updating and all)
[11:19] <Hrrmschmr> ..is there any way to figure out what's keeping my kde programs from running as root when I kdesu?
[11:21] <Hrrmschmr> *poke*
[11:21] <Hrrmschmr> ?
[11:22] <esben> What if you simply sudo ?
[11:22] <Hrrmschmr> Same.
[11:22] <Hrrmschmr> well, output is slightly different if I remember correctly..
[11:23] <Hrrmschmr> Nope, output's essentially the same.
[11:24] <esben> what about sudo strace konqueror
[11:25] <Hrrmschmr> BTW, it gets to a certain point and freezes: It doesn't die.
[11:25] <Hrrmschmr> (unless ctrl-c'd)
[11:34] <m0ns00n> What happens when linux says: Booting the kernel. [freeze]
[11:34] <m0ns00n> Tried command line disabling etc...
[11:34] <m0ns00n> disabling apic
[11:34] <m0ns00n> What's wrong?
[11:37] <micks> hello?
[11:37] <Hrrmschmr> Eh?
[11:38] <micks> well, i'm completely new to kubuntu
[11:38] <Hrrmschmr> Ah.
[11:38] <Hrrmschmr> Welcome.
[11:38] <micks> but i just don't know how to install for example firefox
[11:38] <Hrrmschmr> ah.
[11:38] <Hrrmschmr> Go to the k menu..
[11:38] <micks> ok
[11:39] <RadiantFire> Menu -> System -> Adept (Package Manager)
[11:39] <Hrrmschmr> ah.
[11:39] <Hrrmschmr> thanks.
[11:39] <Hrrmschmr> Hehe.
[11:39] <esben> m0ns00n: Try booting with acpi=off
[11:39] <esben> acpi is the trouble too often :/
[11:39] <Hrrmschmr> K menu, system, adept (package manage) and install synaptic!  Heh.
[11:39] <RadiantFire> micks: if your feeling adventurous and know the name of what you can install, you can also type apt-get install <program name> in a terminal
[11:39] <Hrrmschmr> sorry.
[11:40] <RadiantFire> er, sudo apt-get install <pkg name>
[11:40] <micks> ok, i get a lot of help here, let's see
[11:40] <micks> it's just soooo much different than windows
[11:41] <Hrrmschmr> A nice thing to remember:  alt-spacebar.
[11:41] <esben> micks: When you have adept up and running, type "firefox" or whatever in the search bar
[11:42] <esben> that should narrow the number of packages down to a managable number :o)
[11:42] <hamburg> hi, how can i record sound from my hardware mixer with the line in ?
[11:42] <Hrrmschmr> you can run programs you know the name or description of, or if amarok (music player) is installed, you can play a specific song..
[11:42] <zblach> anyone know about ipod video and gtkpod?
[11:43] <micks> thanx
[11:44] <wimpies> guys, I am out of ideas with my screen resolution problem
[11:44] <RogueJediX> Can anyone here get the Really Slick Screensavers package (rss-glx) to work?
[11:44] <wimpies> Anybody have some time to help me with this ?
[11:44] <wimpies> It is a KDE problem I am sure but I do not know which
[11:44] <Hrrmschmr> micks:  I find it useful to hunt around on the web for a particular linux app 'til I find one I like,
[11:44] <Hrrmschmr> micks: and then install it from the package manager.
[11:45] <Hrrmschmr> micks: ..as opposed to searching through the package manager.
[11:45] <micks> ok, and how to install it in the package manager?
[11:46] <Bilford> for a newbie,  Add/Remove Programs would be easier
[11:47] <davix> is there a program that can help me make and burn dvd movies?
[11:47] <Bilford> k3b
[11:48] <wimpies> is there a problem with OpenOffice2 packages ?
[11:48] <davix> does it makes divx become readable on dvd?
[11:48] <Hrrmschmr> not to my knowledge.
[11:49] <zblach> anyone know anything about gtkpod and ipod video?
[11:49] <m0ns00n> How can I make linux not look for apic?
[11:49] <m0ns00n> It freezes on ACPI: ..
[11:49] <wimpies> Hrrmschmr : When I use ADEPT to install openOffice2 it shows BREAK ...
[11:49] <Hrrmschmr> Micks:  sorry, old computer, got real slow for a bit.
[11:49] <dereks> info 0 hillz25
[11:49] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: Have you done a recent apt-get update?
[11:49] <wimpies> Hrrmschmr : yes I have
[11:51] <Hrrmschmr> micks: To install using package manager, you can:  run adept (package manager), then click "fetch updates".
[11:51] <Hrrmschmr> micks: ..then select the package you want from the list (use search to narrow things down first, probably)
[11:51] <wimpies> when I do apt-get install openoffice.org2 openoffice.org
[11:52] <wimpies> I get :   openoffice.org: Conflicts: openoffice.org2
[11:52] <wimpies> and when I do : apt-get install openoffice.org2
[11:52] <wimpies> I get
[11:52] <HymnToLife> wimpies> you can't install both
[11:52] <wimpies> openoffice.org2: Depends: openoffice.org (> 2.0.2)
[11:52] <HymnToLife> hmm
[11:52] <Hrrmschmr> micks: then click on the item you want to install, and click "install," then "apply changes" at the top.
[11:53] <micks> ok
[11:53] <HymnToLife> !info openoffice.org2
[11:53] <ubotu> openoffice.org2: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.9.129-0.1ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 73 kB, Installed size: 192 kB
[11:53] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: do you have extra repositories in your list of repositories?
[11:53] <micks> it is working :D
[11:53] <Hrrmschmr> micks: :-)
[11:53] <HymnToLife> wimpies> could you pastebin your sources.list ?
[11:53] <wimpies> yes I can if you tell me quickly how to pastebin again ...
[11:54] <HymnToLife> !pastebin
[11:54] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package]
[11:54] <Hrrmschmr> micks: You can do the "fetch updates" thing once every few days.  ..or, if your system is up and running 24 hours, it'll fetch updates automatically sometime in the middle of the night.
[11:54] <micks> ok
[11:54] <micks> im getting it
[11:55] <Hrrmschmr> micks: You can also click on "add/remove programs" instead of "adept package manager".
[11:55] <m0ns00n> esben: Doesn't work
[11:55] <Hrrmschmr> micks: ..that's a simplified version of the same thing.
[11:56] <m0ns00n> esben: This is where it stops: ACPI: setting ELCR to 0200 (from 0c28)
[11:56] <m0ns00n> esben: {freeze]
[11:56] <Hrrmschmr> micks: ..but when you're installing a package you know lots of people probably use, its simplicity is quite nice.
[11:56] <wimpies> Pastebinned it
[11:56] <RadiantFire> micks: with the new version Dapper, the system will notify you of updates as well
[11:57] <micks> it's great :)
[11:57] <esben> m0ns00n: You booted with acpi=off ... and it still does ACPI? Weird
[11:58] <Hrrmschmr> :-)
[11:58] <m0ns00n> esben: Yes, I use "c" (command line)
[11:58] <zblach> is there no proper linux ipod software?
[11:58] <zblach> ** is there no proper software for the ipod in linux?
[11:58] <m0ns00n> esben: kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro splash noapic nolapic apci=off
[11:58] <m0ns00n> gonna try again
[11:59] <esben> it's aCPi, no aPCi
[11:59] <esben> m0ns00n: it's aCPi, no aPCi
[11:59] <Hrrmschmr> zblach: Apple doesn't make any.  But, you can use amarok..
[11:59] <m0ns00n> AH!
[11:59] <m0ns00n> Thanks man!
[11:59] <m0ns00n> :-D
[11:59] <m0ns00n> Now it boots
[11:59] <m0ns00n> :-)
[11:59] <esben> :D
[11:59] <m0ns00n> !i!
[11:59] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, m0ns00n
[11:59] <zblach> Hrrmschmr: amarok work with ipod video?
[11:59] <m0ns00n> I had apci
[12:00] <m0ns00n> not acpi
[12:00] <m0ns00n> hehe
[12:00] <pike__> zblach: there is a proper linux for the ipod :) www.ipodlinux.org
[12:00] <esben> m0ns00n: spelling mistakes are too easy on the kernel boot line :/
[12:00] <Hrrmschmr> zblach: Oh yeah.  you're looking to put video on there..
[12:00] <zblach> pike__: tried it. _very_ crappy.
[12:00] <zblach> but i can't do anything to help
[12:01] <pike__> zblach: oh guess i wont try it just yet then
[12:01] <wimpies> Hrrmschmr : my pastbin did it work ?
[12:01] <jeekl> Do I dare update to dapper now or should I wait a week untill it's released?
[12:03] <zblach> pike__: rockbox is nice, but there's still much lacking there too
[12:03] <Hrrmschmr> zblach: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=103071
[12:04] <Hrrmschmr> ..how does one fetch a pastebin?
[12:04] <Hrrmschmr> hehe.
[12:05] <zblach> Hrrmschmr: thanks. found that earlier. still not much help
[12:05] <zblach> ...the site, not anyone here
[12:05] <Hrrmschmr> ah..
[12:05] <Hrrmschmr> !pastebin
[12:05] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package]
[12:05] <Hrrmschmr> oh.
[12:06] <wimpies> It seems I need to paste the URL ?
[12:06] <wimpies> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14646
[12:08] <davix> how do I make an xvid file play on dvd if my dvd dosent support xvid?
[12:08] <wimpies> davix : convert to mpeg2
[12:08] <smoosh> hi, how can i see witch version of gcc is used for compile a (compiled) binary file?
[12:08] <davix> what app can do it?
[12:08] <davix> wimpies
[12:09] <wimpies> mencoder : transcode and a few DVD authoring guis (check freshmeat or kde.apps)
[12:09] <davix> will do thanks
[12:12] <hamburg> how can i get firefox 1.5x ? i use 1.08 ;/
[12:14] <Hrrmschmr> ..there's no kde applet.
[12:14] <Hrrmschmr> ..for webboard.
[12:14] <wimpies> Hrrmschmr : the above URL does not work ?
[12:15] <luksan_> why doesn't kubuntu have packages for zsnes?
[12:15] <RogueJediX> luksan_: I can find it just fine
[12:16] <imbrandon> luksan_: it does
[12:16] <imbrandon> luksan_: zsnes - Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM)
[12:16] <imbrandon> multiverse
[12:17] <luksan_> i have multiverse, but adept isn't showing it
[12:17] <Hrrmschmr> ..hrm.
[12:17] <imbrandon> can you paste your sources.list in pastebin ?
[12:17] <luksan_> this doesn't make any sense
[12:17] <luksan_> yes
[12:18] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: You do have a couple of extra repositories, and though they don't look like they'd contain packages that would conflict with oo.o2, it's still possible.
[12:18] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: (yes, the url worked, I just didn't look hard enough -- didn't notice viewing links and 'search')
[12:18] <luksan_> imbrandon: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/zdOaUc95.html
[12:19] <imbrandon> k one sec
[12:19] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: can you also pastebin the conflict message?
[12:21] <esben> smoosh: You can't, not really. You can see the ABI with something like nm /home/esben/c++/a.out | grep CXX, unless it's stripped
[12:22] <imbrandon> luksan_: looks like your missing a few that i have of the official ones, try my sources.list http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/738176
[12:22] <imbrandon> back yours up, doa apt-get update and try again
[12:22] <jeekl> I was about to upgrade to dapper from my breezy and changed my sources.list to fit dapper and ran a apt-get update and then a dist-upgrade. But apt wants to remove lots of packages from me? Why is that? I HAve the correct repos in my sources.list. Here is the output of dist-upgrade:http://pastebin.com/738166 and this is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/738171
[12:23] <smoosh> esben: ah, ok... thanks alot for the info...
[12:23] <_per_> how do i change the screen resolution? (it is set to 1024x768 now, and i know it can get up to 1280x800, but that option is not shown in the "System Settings")
[12:23] <imbrandon> jeekl: thats semi normal, it will remove alot ( including oo.o ) just reinstall it when its done if you want
[12:24] <wimpies> Hrrmschmr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14650
[12:24] <luksan_> imbrandon: ok thanks
[12:24] <jeekl> imbrandon: Seminormal? Okey, but why? Design flaw in apt or just some strange behaviour in repo handling or something?
[12:25] <HymnToLife> jeekl> it will install a lot of new wones too, I think it's OK
[12:25] <imbrandon> _per_: at a command prompt type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:25] <HymnToLife> see line 75
[12:25] <_per_> imbrandon: thanks
[12:25] <imbrandon> jeekl: no i just ment thats normal ( ignor the semi )
[12:25] <jeekl> HymnToLife: Yeah, I see. Right then. I guess it's all fine and dandy.
[12:26] <jeekl> imbrandon: Right, thanks.
[12:26] <gil> hi
[12:26] <imbrandon> 'ello
[12:26] <imbrandon> morning HymnToLife
[12:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:26] <gil> how do i take a large linux partitions and resize it....create a new partition out of it
[12:26] <imbrandon> qtparted
[12:27] <gil> is that from the command line
[12:27] <gil> ?
[12:27] <imbrandon> no command line is cfdisk
[12:27] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: When was the last time you did an apt-get update?
[12:27] <wimpies> 10 minutes ago ?
[12:27] <Hrrmschmr> k.
[12:28] <HymnToLife> 'night imbrandon :p
[12:28] <imbrandon> wimpies: apt-get install openoffice.org2 << drop the "2"
[12:28] <gil> ok
[12:28] <imbrandon> wimpies: apt-get install openoffice.org
[12:28] <wimpies> would that install version 2 ?
[12:28] <gil> can i create a fats32 partition with qtparted
[12:28] <gil> ?
[12:28] <wimpies> or 1
[12:28] <imbrandon> 2
[12:29] <HymnToLife> gil> it's recommended to create them with Windows
[12:29] <wimpies> so whats this .org2 package then ?
[12:29] <HymnToLife> it might not recognie FAT partitions created with Parted
[12:29] <imbrandon> meta packages to make the transition wimpies
[12:29] <HymnToLife> !info openoffice.org
[12:30] <ubotu> openoffice.org: (high-quality office productivity suite), section universe/editors, is optional. Version: 1.1.5-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 6707 kB, Installed size: 28920 kB
[12:30] <klerfayt> what does LTS stand for?
[12:30] <imbrandon> !info openoffice.org dapper
[12:30] <ubotu> openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.2-2ubuntu8 (dapper), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
[12:30] <HymnToLife> yep, seems openoffice.org2 is a metapackage
[12:30] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: I don't see the package "openoffice.org >2.0.2" in the openoffice.org2 package dependencies.
[12:30] <gil> i have one large ext3 partition from which i want to create a small fat32 partition!
[12:31] <wimpies> !info openoffice.org dapper
[12:31] <ubotu> openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.2-2ubuntu8 (dapper), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
[12:31] <HymnToLife> gil > what d'you mean ?
[12:31] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: comment out all but the ubuntu archives, and do an apt-get update, and then try to install oo.o2.
[12:31] <imbrandon> gil: resize the ext3 with qtparted and the go into windows and create a fat32 part in the free space
[12:31] <wimpies> Hrrmschmr : seems I need to install the openoffice.org package
[12:31] <gil> ok thats what i thought
[12:32] <imbrandon> wimpies: are you on dapper or breezy ?
[12:32] <gil> thanks imbrandon
[12:32] <gil> oh...i have another question about my ALSA sound...
[12:33] <gil> it seems to look up on me on occasion...how do i restart it?
[12:33] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: it's a metapackage that should install all of the oo.o2 stuff.
[12:33] <gil> lock up
[12:33] <imbrandon> apt-get install koffice ;) j/k
[12:34] <gil> when i use mic on skype for example,...afterward my sound is locked up,,,i actually need to turns skype off to fix the problem
[12:34] <wimpies> imbrandom : dapper (I just upgraded but during upgrade openoffice was removed )
[12:34] <imbrandon> gil: i dunno look for a init script in /etc/init.d for alsa the do "/etc/init.d/alsa restart"
[12:34] <imbrandon> wimpies: then yea drop the "2" its not needed in dapper anymore
[12:35] <imbrandon> !info openoffice.org dapper
[12:35] <ubotu> openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.2-2ubuntu8 (dapper), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
[12:35] <imbrandon> ^^ version 2
[12:35] <rob138> whenever i do "dcop kded mediamanager fullList" it says call failed, can anyone help?
[12:35] <imbrandon> !info openoffice.org2 dapper
[12:35] <ubotu> openoffice.org2: (Transitional package to openoffice.org), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.2-2ubuntu8 (dapper), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
[12:36] <imbrandon> see meta package
[12:37] <Hrrmschmr> imbrandon, shouldn't the metapackage automatically install the others? ..and if it doesn't, shouldn't that not be a part of its description in the apt cache?
[12:37] <rob138> whenever i do "dcop kded mediamanager fullList" it says call failed, can anyone help?
[12:38] <imbrandon> Hrrmschmr: it SHOULD but its broke, they are working on it ( its a known issue )
[12:38] <Hrrmschmr> ..but, yeah, either way, installing oo.o should be fine.
[12:38] <Hrrmschmr> oh.
[12:38] <Hrrmschmr> Heh.
[12:38] <Hrrmschmr> imbrandon: thanks..  :-)
[12:39] <wimpies> imbrandon : do you know anything about kde and screen resolutions ?
[12:39] <imbrandon> a little , whats up ?
[12:39] <wimpies> well, KDM runs in the perfect resolution (1280x1024) but when I log on as my user then
[12:40] <wimpies> it switches to 640x480.
[12:40] <Hrrmschmr> eugh.
[12:40] <wimpies> I can manually set it to the proper resolution but it seems to forget every time
[12:40] <wimpies> (Using system settings -> display
[12:40] <rob138> can someone help me fix my dcop/hal to see my ipod and make it work with amarok?
[12:40] <imbrandon> hmm do you .... hold on lemme find the option
[12:42] <imbrandon> actualy that should work .... if your on the newest dapper, and its still not working file a bug on launchpad.net ( detailed please )
[12:42] <imbrandon> rob138: whats wrong with it ?
[12:43] <wimpies> imbrandon : should I report the bug about the screen resolution ?
[12:43] <imbrandon> wimpies: thats what i was talking about
[12:43] <RadiantFire> rob138: whats your problem?
[12:44] <rob138> imbrandon, when i do dcop kded mediamanager fullLIst, which it says to do if amarok can't autodetect, and then it says call failed
[12:45] <imbrandon> rob138: what version of kubuntu and how do you have the ipod hooked up and what does aramok say ?
[12:45] <SlimG> anyone know if openoffice.org will be replaced by koffice in the final release of kubuntu 6.06 ?
[12:45] <imbrandon> SlimG: no it wont ( not for dapper )
[12:45] <rob138> 6.06 kubuntu, ipod is hooked up through usb...? and amarok says: QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0)
[12:45] <rob138> QComboBox::setCurrentItem: (speakerComboBox) Index 1 out of range X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3  Major opcode:  7Minor opcode:  0 Resource id:  0x340003a
[12:46] <SlimG> imbrandon: thanks, too bad
[12:46] <rob138> when i try adding the device manually
[12:47] <imbrandon> hrm ok i havent seen that one, have you my chance tried amarok 1.4 ?
[12:47] <rob138> i am using 1.4
[12:47] <imbrandon> k hrm
[12:47] <wimpies> BTW. are there known issues with kdetv and dapper ?
[12:48] <wimpies> When I run Xine or Mplayer things are OK but when I start kdetv X screen goes black (I think
[12:48] <rob138> imbrandon, yah, i tried remove amarokrc and the amarok folder and reinstall amarok and it still the same
[12:48] <wimpies> X crashes)
[12:48] <imbrandon> wimpies: check the forums
[12:50] <rob138> imbrandon, also when i click auto-detect it popups and says: No new media devices were found. If you feel this is an error, ensure that the DBUS and HAL daemons are running and KDE was built with support for them. You can test this by running "dcop kded mediamanager fullList" in a Konsole window.
[12:51] <wimpies> imbrandon : at the risk of sounding stupid ... URL ?
[12:52] <imbrandon> wimpies: www.ubuntuforums.org and www.kubuntuforums.net
[12:52] <da_fat_thing> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=4019.0 <-- i have exactly the same problems
[12:52] <da_fat_thing> is there any fix yet?
[12:53] <imbrandon> rob138: no idea about that command but i do know kde/kubuntu has dbus / hal support
[12:54] <imbrandon> da_fat_thing: maybe try dapper ( better laptop support ) ??
[12:55] <da_fat_thing> yeah, thats the thing
[12:55] <da_fat_thing> its not a laptop
[12:55] <da_fat_thing> ordinary desktop, x800xt, athlon 64 3000+
[12:55] <imbrandon> yea but your install is thinking it is
[12:55] <da_fat_thing> pretty much the same config
[12:55] <da_fat_thing> :\
[12:56] <da_fat_thing> hm, is that all?
[12:56] <imbrandon> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/6.06/  <-- dapper release candidate
[12:56] <da_fat_thing> then i should be able to deactivate the check, shouldn't i?
[12:56] <da_fat_thing> i've got no blank cds here, so kubuntu is my only shot until tomorrow
[12:56] <da_fat_thing> hoped to install it tonight
[12:57] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:58] <da_fat_thing> also it hangs directly after the check
[12:58] <da_fat_thing> so its propably not the check itself
[12:58] <da_fat_thing> heh
[12:59] <da_fat_thing> dunno what the guys problem in the thread is, but noapic helps me
[12:59] <da_fat_thing> as a boot parameter
[12:59] <da_fat_thing> does that change anything important or is it acceptable to keep it permanetly?
[01:01] <visik7> fonts in dapper sux or I'm stupid ? :)
[01:03] <imbrandon> da_fat_thing: thats ok to keep perm yes
[01:08] <da_fat_thing> good
[01:08] <da_fat_thing> now only xorg is left
[01:08] <da_fat_thing> but ive always got problems with that
[01:08] <da_fat_thing> is it normal that the configuration changes?
[01:08] <da_fat_thing> without me provoking it
[01:10] <da_fat_thing> xorg cant find a card in the specified pci-bus
[01:10] <da_fat_thing> how can i find out in which bus it is
[01:11] <wimpies> In konqueror the view mode icon is no longer there ... how can I reactivate it ?
[01:15] <gil> imbrandon: how do i get qtparted to work with my drive....when it says it is busy
[01:17] <gil> can someone help me out with qtparted....
[01:17] <visik7> konversation n dapper sux
[01:17] <rob138> imbrandon, i think i figured my ipod problem, it is being mounted as read only, how do i change this?
[01:17] <visik7> its abbreviate channel name and isn't easy to undestand in which channel am I
[01:17] <HymnToLife> visik7> only in dapper ?
[01:17] <visik7> any way to fix it ?
[01:17] <visik7> HymnToLife: I'm using it in breezy and works ok for my needs
[01:18] <theine> visik7: what sucks about it?
[01:18] <HymnToLife> guess I'm too used to my xchat but I didn't like it in Breezy either
[01:18] <visik7> theine:  it abbreviate channel name and isn't easy to undestand in which channel am I
[01:19] <visik7> theine: the led at the left of the channel name is too big
[01:19] <theine> visik7: hmmm, I don't seem to have that problem
[01:19] <visik7> theine: plain install of flight 7
[01:19] <visik7> now I'mgoing to try rc
[01:20] <imbrandon> visik7: the led's dont show up in dapper  : look http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/snapshot2.png
[01:20] <theine> visik7: I don't have such a led, but I continually upgraded from breezy
[01:20] <da_fat_thing> is it possible that kubuntu has problems with pcie?
[01:20] <visik7> imbrandon: I'v enabled it
[01:21] <RadiantFire> what does SCIM do?
[01:21] <nomad> hello
[01:21] <imbrandon> standard something input method, something about mappping kleys
[01:21] <imbrandon> keys*
[01:21] <RadiantFire> really?
[01:21] <visik7> btw most of my font apps in breezy are setted to xft font (dunno where is it but is cool ) in dapper there isn't such a font
[01:21] <RadiantFire> I wonder if I could use it to get at my multimedia h otkeys
[01:21] <gil> imbrandon: how do i get qtparted to lock onto my drive...it says it is busy
[01:22] <imbrandon> gil unmount it
[01:22] <gil> unmount root partition
[01:22] <imbrandon> you cant change a mounted drive
[01:22] <RadiantFire> gil, do act on  your own harddrive your gonna have to boot with some sort of rescue CD
[01:22] <imbrandon> ahh if its root you have to boot from a live cd or such
[01:23] <gil> i cant use qtparted like partiition magic?
[01:23] <nomad> anyone with drake that has xgl running ?
[01:23] <imbrandon> gil , not on mounted drives ( you can run qtpartd on a livecd )
[01:23] <gil> ok
[01:25] <imbrandon> *yawns* , soooooo how is everyone this eve ?
[01:29] <imbrandon> lol
[01:30] <RadiantFire> sigh
[01:30] <RadiantFire> pointers are evil...
[01:31] <imbrandon> ye they are ...... * sticks with c# *
[01:31] <RadiantFire> oh wells...
[01:31] <RadiantFire> when in doubt, scrape the whole function and start over :)
[01:32] <Kadran> hi did any one tried to install hsf modem on kubuntu?
[01:32] <Kadran> please tell me how?
[01:33] <imbrandon> hsf sorry no, i havent used a modem in a long time
[01:35] <HymnToLife> Kadran> you have a site full of informations on this subject at http://www.linmodems.org
[01:35] <HymnToLife> but it might be a bit confusing, ask for help if needed
[01:37] <Kadran> HymnToLife: thanks
[01:37] <da_fat_thing> now its getting frustrating
[01:38] <da_fat_thing> i tought (k)ubuntu was so good at detecting hardware -.-
[01:38] <HymnToLife> da_fat_thing> it is
[01:38] <imbrandon> da_fat_thing: for the most part it is
[01:38] <HymnToLife> at least for me
[01:39] <da_fat_thing> i dunno, i dont have any exotic hardware and i cant seem to find the error, it behaves differently on every boot
[01:39] <imbrandon> da_fat_thing: ipod ?
[01:39] <da_fat_thing> no,
[01:39] <da_fat_thing> nope
[01:39] <imbrandon> what are your errors, what ahardware ?>
[01:39] <imbrandon> we can TRY to help
[01:40] <da_fat_thing> well, a card reader, im gonna disconnect that
[01:40] <da_fat_thing> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=4019.0
[01:40] <da_fat_thing> still that
[01:40] <da_fat_thing> exept it sometimes works with noapic or pci=routeirq as boot parameters
[01:40] <da_fat_thing> or it locks up at a different point
[01:40] <imbrandon> ahhh as i sugested before , atleaste TRY dapper
[01:41] <da_fat_thing> :\
[01:41] <imbrandon> breezy will be upgrading to dapper by default in a few days anyhow
[01:41] <da_fat_thing> yeah.
[01:41] <imbrandon> in your case might be good to jump ahead
[01:41] <da_fat_thing> any way to do that from the console?
[01:41] <imbrandon> yea if you have network
[01:42] <imbrandon> just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all the "breezy" to "dapper"
[01:42] <imbrandon> and apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:42] <imbrandon> wait for it to finish, reboot
[01:43] <da_fat_thing> if i get to boot it i'll try, if not, i'll have to wait till tomorrow
[01:44] <imbrandon> da_fat_thing:
[01:44] <da_fat_thing> i had kubuntu 3 i think, that worked very well
[01:44] <imbrandon> when booting
[01:44] <imbrandon> edit the grub entry and add "single" without quotes to the end
[01:44] <da_fat_thing> i'm just wondering what changed
[01:44] <da_fat_thing> k
[01:44] <imbrandon> that will put you in single user mode
[01:44] <imbrandon> to do the upgrade
[01:44] <da_fat_thing> k
[01:45] <imbrandon> then remove it when finished ( still might need noapic depending on your hardware
[01:45] <imbrandon> )
[01:45] <da_fat_thing> well, noapic isnt working anymore :(
[01:45] <da_fat_thing> strange
[01:45] <YazzY> hi guys
[01:46] <YazzY> i dapper the latest version of ubuntu ?
[01:46] <imbrandon> yes dapper RC is
[01:46] <YazzY> thanks
[01:46] <YazzY> what repositories do i need to add to get applications like ktorrent, kmplayer, dixv support and such ?
[01:47] <imbrandon> universe and multiverse
[01:47] <imbrandon> YazzY: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/738176
[01:47] <YazzY> imbrandon: could you please post your apt config on pastebin.com ?
[01:47] <da_fat_thing> is there some sort of boot-log?
[01:47] <YazzY> heh
[01:47] <YazzY> thanks
[01:48] <imbrandon> da_fat_thing: /var/log/messages
[01:49] <YazzY> thanks again and laters
[01:53] <nrdb> I was wondering if there is an interface that goes direct to the ethernet hardware without going though the TCP/IP stack?
[01:54] <nrdb> that is for a C program!
[01:54] <Dasnipa`> sounds like that would be too easily exploitable...
[01:55] <Kyral> oyah
[01:57] <imbrandon> nrdb: you could probbly write a kernel interface ;)
[01:57] <imbrandon> gl
[01:58] <scubes13> anyone familiar with booting a box via pxes having already installed freenx onto kubuntu?
[01:58] <scubes13> any direction at all is well appreciated
[01:59] <scubes13> someone had mentioned the pxes project, but I have yet to be able to figure out what is needed on a kubuntu box to connect a client
[02:00] <imbrandon> scubes13: might try edubuntu channel they use ltsp alot ( just let them know your on kubuntu though )
[02:01] <nrdb> imbrandon: so there isn't an interface or you don't know what it is?
[02:01] <imbrandon> nrdb: no, you would have to write a driver on your own
[02:02] <nrdb> imbrandon: ok thanks for that. :(
[02:02] <_bbeck> Does anyone know if the release candidate that came out today will there be a live cd for it?
[02:02] <imbrandon> there already is
[02:03] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hmmm, McDonalds is offering adult happy meals.
[02:03] <_bbeck> oh, is the desktop version what they're calling the live cd?
[02:03] <imbrandon> ye
[02:03] <imbrandon> s
[02:03] <imbrandon> alternate install is the text mode install
[02:06] <coreymon77> guys i have a question
[02:06] <coreymon77> for printers
[02:06] <scubes13> imbrandon: thanks for the tip, had not even thought about edubuntu channel, thanks again
[02:06] <imbrandon> np
[02:06] <evader> Hi, I just installed Flight 7 last night, and now the release candidate came out today!!!
[02:06] <coreymon77> would a driver for the hp photosmart 3200 work for the hp photosmart 3210
[02:06] <evader> Is there a changelog?
[02:07] <imbrandon> evader: just apt-get dist-upgrade and you will have the latest , dosent matter what you install
[02:07] <evader> Can I read the changelog still please
[02:07] <imbrandon> coreymon77: yes , most likely ( they only release major numbers )
[02:07] <HymnToLife> !changelog
[02:07] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, HymnToLife
[02:07] <RadiantFire> does he need to dist upgrade if he installed flight7?
[02:08] <evader> Thanks
[02:08] <imbrandon> RadiantFire: its always better to use dist-upgrade rather than upgrade unless you have a specific reason
[02:08] <coreymon77> so i should use hplip
[02:08] <imbrandon> coreymon77: yes
[02:09] <evader> I can't seem to find the right changelog
[02:09] <evader> I want to see the differences between flight 7, and the RC
[02:09] <da_fat_thing> well, thanks for the help, the upgrade will take 30 minutes so ill try that tomorrow
[02:09] <coreymon77> i mean hpjis
[02:09] <da_fat_thing> gn8
[02:10] <coreymon77> now my printer has ethernet capabilities meaning it can connect directly to my network as a seperate entity
[02:11] <imbrandon> evader: read the dapper-changes mailing list, there isnt a "changelog" per se
[02:11] <coreymon77> would all i need to do to get it to work is download the driver
[02:11] <coreymon77> ?
[02:11] <evader> imbrandon: ok i'll have a look
[02:11] <imbrandon> evader: many thousands packages get changed , would be impossible to maintain
[02:11] <evader> ok
[02:11] <imbrandon> coreymon77: correct
[02:11] <coreymon77> or should i upgrade to dapper rc before trying
[02:12] <evader> imbrandon: well i just wanted to know if there is any configuration changes that i miss out on because i used Flight 7
[02:12] <imbrandon> dosent matter coreymon77
[02:12] <drgonzo> hello all
[02:12] <imbrandon> evader: no, not as long as you are apt-get dist-upgrading , its exactly the same
[02:12] <drgonzo> is anyone here using kbfx with kubuntu, I'm having issues with the applet
[02:12] <evader> ok
[02:12] <evader> thanks
[02:13] <imbrandon> drgonzo: yes i'm using it ( http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/snapshot2.png  )
[02:13] <drgonzo> Once I installed the deb package  through synaptic, I can add kbfxvista( the name of the applet) to my pannel, but from there I can't edit it or open it
[02:13] <coreymon77> which would bring me to my next problem
[02:13] <imbrandon> in the control center
[02:14] <drgonzo> oh, In kde components?
[02:14] <imbrandon> no apperance
[02:14] <drgonzo> ok thanks :)
[02:14] <coreymon77> imbrandon, apt on my computer has no repositories on it, after installing kubuntu fresh apt has no repositories
[02:14] <coreymon77> how could i get all the ones i need
[02:14] <imbrandon> coreymon77:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/738176
[02:15] <coreymon77> where does the repositories list go
[02:16] <imbrandon> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:16] <coreymon77> oh, by the way, i still have breezy
[02:16] <imbrandon> ouch , will still work, just change all the "dapper" to breezy
[02:16] <coreymon77> but i want to get dapper rc through apt
[02:16] <coreymon77> how would i do that
[02:17] <imbrandon> then use my sources.list
[02:17] <HymnToLife> coreymon77> here's mine if you want : http://fkraiem.no-ip.org/stuff/sources.list
[02:17] <HymnToLife> it's for Breezy
[02:17] <imbrandon> and apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:17] <dergringo> hi, I am looking for an alternative icon theme for kopete (not an emoticon theme) but I can't find anything :(
[02:17] <imbrandon> then use my sources.list ( to get dapper if thats what you want )
[02:17] <imbrandon> and apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:17] <imbrandon> dergringo: check kde-look.org
[02:18] <coreymon77> do i have to do anything so that it downlaod non final releases aswell
[02:18] <imbrandon> coreymon77: here this is easyier to ready : http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/sources.list
[02:18] <dergringo> imbrandon: I do, daily :D But I just find emoticon sets :(
[02:18] <coreymon77> oh, and thanks hymm
[02:19] <coreymon77> which one do i use
[02:19] <imbrandon> no coreymon77 just do the updates every day and you dont have to do anything
[02:19] <coreymon77> the breezy one from hymm or yours
[02:19] <imbrandon> coreymon77: if you want dapper use mine
[02:19] <imbrandon> if you want breezy then his
[02:20] <imbrandon> you wanted to upgrade to dapper right ?
[02:20] <coreymon77> yes
[02:20] <coreymon77> and where do i put it
[02:20] <imbrandon> coreymon77:  http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/sources.list  <-- make your /etc/apt/sources.list look like that
[02:20] <imbrandon> with "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:21] <coreymon77> so just replace my sources.list with the one you gave me
[02:21] <imbrandon> and then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:21] <imbrandon> coreymon77: yes
[02:21] <imbrandon> and then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:21] <imbrandon> it will upgrade you
[02:21] <coreymon77> oh, and this includes kubuntu right
[02:21] <imbrandon> yes thats kubuntu or ubuntu
[02:21] <imbrandon> either one
[02:24] <coreymon77> could i just use sudo -s and not have to type sudo all the time
[02:25] <veronica--f> I always did the long version of that: sudo zsh
[02:25] <imbrandon> could but i dont recomend that to new people
[02:27] <imbrandon> coreymon77: you WILL have to reinstall openoffice.org when done ( no way arround it atm ) but its easy , when its all done just "apt-get install openoffice.org"
[02:29] <coreymon77> brandon, i know how to use apt, ive been using linux for years
[02:29] <imbrandon> kk sorry, dont mean to talk you down, alot of people in here dont ;)
[02:30] <Spaceraver> including me
[02:32] <coreymon77> i can still use kubuntu while dist upgrade is going right
[02:33] <imbrandon> yup
[02:35] <coreymon77> good
[02:42] <Ahmuck> if i unplug my cable, and then plug it back in will kubuntu auto connect ?
[02:46] <imbrandon> to what ? ethernet ?
[02:46] <Bilford> tj9991,  cant you transfer everything off the Windows drive instead, and then remove Windows
[02:53] <Ahmuck> i am having problems with resize on a windows xp box
[02:53] <HymnToLife> what problem exactly ?
[02:54] <Ahmuck> I get an error that says, "Failed to create enough space for installation  The resize operation did not create enough free space for the installation.  Resizing may have failed.  You will have to set up partitions manually.  <Go Back> <Continue>
[02:54] <Ahmuck> Windows XP Pro and NTFS
[02:55] <HymnToLife> Ahmuck> resize your NTFS manually with GParted before installation
[02:55] <Ahmuck> ok
[03:08] <brad_> im thinking about switching from slackware to kubuntu because of its amd64 support. how was is its support for sata drives?
[03:10] <HymnToLife> brad_> It's rather kernel-based but no problem for me
[03:12] <zblach> hey, anyone here use gtkpod often?
[03:12] <brad_> ive used it
[03:13] <zblach> that sounds like it's in the past tense
[03:13] <zblach> i just got an ipod video in the mail, and i'm wondering if there's a gtkpod-like program for video
[03:14] <zblach> ***videos
[03:14] <brad_> i think i read on their site that is gonna support video pretty soon
[03:14] <zblach> any idea what 'really soon' means?
[03:14] <brad_> i was actually looking for the same thing
[03:14] <drgonzo> oh btw, now that dapper is final, do I need to change my repo entry ?
[03:14] <brad_> i just got an ipod video
[03:15] <zblach> brad_: the version included with breezy is 99.2, and video is supported from 99.0
[03:15] <zblach> maybe i'll take a second look
[03:15] <brad_> oh nice deal
[03:16] <brad_> i had some problems with it
[03:16] <brad_> kept crashing
[03:18] <drgonzo> do i  even need the repo now that dapper is released?
[03:18] <drgonzo> won't kubuntu 3.5.2 be in the main repo now?
[03:18] <Bilford> I dont know.  what if people dont want to upgrade?
[03:20] <dipnlik> hi all. my konqueror's amaroK sidebar is not working, it always display "no track playing". any ideas?
[03:21] <seth> hi dipnlik, what kind of media files are you using?
[03:23] <brad_> there isnt a dvd releasee of dapper?
[03:23] <Bilford> why do you want a DVD
[03:23] <dipnlik> seth: mostly mp3, but i have some oggs and wma's and mp4, i think
[03:23] <seth> dipnlik, breezy or dapper?
[03:23] <seth> dipnlik, if dapper, amarok 1.3 or 1.4?
[03:24] <dipnlik> seth: dapper, 1.4-beta3
[03:24] <seth> perfect
[03:24] <seth> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main
[03:24] <brad_> there was a dvd with the last release wasnt there?
[03:24] <seth> 1.4 final is out
[03:24] <seth> should fix your issue
[03:25] <dipnlik> seth: wow, cool!
[03:27] <brad_> what was the reason for the dvd release? because it was a livecd and install disc
[03:27] <seth> the dvd also contained all of main
[03:27] <Bilford> You can install with the Live CD
[03:28] <Bilford> you dont need the DVD to install
[03:28] <brad_> what do you mean all of main... sorry i dont know all that much about kubuntu. im thinking of switching from slackware
[03:29] <Bilford> you only need the CD
[03:29] <Bilford> after you load the Live CD, theres a desktop icon to Install
[03:30] <brad_> is dapper safe to install or should i stick with breezy till dapper is final
[03:31] <dipnlik> brad_: no problems with breezy here
[03:32] <brad_> dipnlik, do you mean dapper?
[03:32] <dipnlik> brad_: dapper here, sorry
[03:32] <brad_> ok
[03:32] <dipnlik> brad_: i'd go breezy in a work environment, maybe
[03:33] <brad_> ive heard a lot of good things about *ubuntu. the whole it just works motto makes me feel confident
[03:33] <Bilford> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[03:34] <Bilford> Dapper is safe.  the official release iis in about a week
[03:34] <dipnlik> brad_: i really like this part too
[03:34] <HymnToLife> hmm what about servers, should I dist-upgrade mine ?
[03:34] <Bilford> I think it's better to install Dapper fresh rather than Breezy, and have to upgrade a week later
[03:34] <brad_> 6.06 LTS is downloading right now
[03:34] <Bilford> where are you getting it from
[03:35] <Bilford> the link I posted?
[03:35] <brad_> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/6.06/
[03:35] <Bilford> no
[03:35] <Bilford> oh, sorry
[03:35] <Bilford> RC is out
[03:35] <brad_> yup
[03:35] <brad_> today
[03:35] <Bilford> cool
[03:35] <unix_infidel> how would i go about removing old packages from cache?
[03:35] <unix_infidel> or is that even viable since ubuntu doesnt really release new software.
[03:36] <brad_> so with kubuntu i have access to all of ubuntu packages and all of debians? is that true?
[03:36] <unix_infidel> brad_: yes.
[03:36] <imbrandon> most of debians not all
[03:37] <HymnToLife> be careful when using Debian binaries though
[03:37] <EvilIdler> Ubuntu recompiles pretty much everything from Debian. Kubuntu is the KDE desktop for Ubunru.
[03:37] <brad_> thats really the main thing that slackware lacks... package management
[03:37] <HymnToLife> bbut all of Ubuntu for sure, Ubuntu and Kubuntu are basically the same thing
[03:37] <EvilIdler> There's probably an apt-slack by now :)
[03:37] <brad_> evil_doer, there is
[03:37] <unix_infidel> anyone on my old package removal questino,
[03:37] <EvilIdler> idler = !doer
[03:38] <brad_> slapt-get actually
[03:38] <imbrandon> unix_infidel: what question ?
[03:38] <unix_infidel> imbrandon: how would i go about removing old packages from cache.
[03:38] <EvilIdler> Yeah, I thought they'd get to their senses eventually, even in slack territory :)
[03:38] <unix_infidel> and what threshold in days does it use to determine which packages are out dated.
[03:38] <imbrandon> apt-get clean
[03:38] <unix_infidel> imbrandon: threshold?
[03:39] <EvilIdler> No threshold. The packages stay till you run clean.
[03:39] <imbrandon>    clean - Erase downloaded archive files
[03:39] <imbrandon>    autoclean - Erase old downloaded archive files
[03:39] <brad_> there is also no talk of supporting amd64 either. and since i just paid for a new system id like to use it to its potential
[03:39] <imbrandon> no threshhol, all or none
[03:40] <imbrandon> brad- :)
[03:40] <brad_> yes?
[03:40] <imbrandon> just a smile at amd64
[03:41] <brad_> oh :)
[03:41] <brad_> where is this repository of packages? can i look at the goods?
[03:41] <imbrandon> packages.ubuntu.com
[03:42] <imbrandon> ubuntu and kubuntu both use the same repos , its just diffrences in whats installed by default
[03:43] <brad_> oh really
[03:43] <HymnToLife> exactly
[03:43] <EvilIdler> Ubuntu defaults to Gnome. Kubuntu is the KDE desktop instead.
[03:43] <imbrandon> ubuntu == gnome/gtk , kubuntu == kde , by default but can be mixed and matched etc
[03:44] <brad_> wow
[03:45] <imbrandon> and if you install kubuntu and wanna try ubuntu just "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" or xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-desktop etc etc etc
[03:45] <brad_> xubuntu?
[03:45] <brad_> hrm
[03:45] <imbrandon> xfce4
[03:45] <HymnToLife> !xubuntu
[03:45] <ubotu> well, xubuntu is Ubuntu using Xfce instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://www.xubuntu.org
[03:45] <dipnlik> brad_: xubuntu is cool, i used it at work
[03:45] <brad_> ah nice
[03:46] <brad_> yea xfce is nice
[03:46] <dipnlik> wow, kwrite is not available anymore, anyone knows why?
[03:46] <imbrandon> like i said all the *buntu's use the same repos , just whats installed by default ( kubuntu == kubuntu-desktop and dependancies )
[03:47] <imbrandon> dipnlik: its avaible just not installed by default .... apt-get install kwrite
[03:47] <imbrandon> but kte is nicer
[03:47] <imbrandon> err kate
[03:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:47] <dipnlik> imbrandon: not available here, are you sure it is available?
[03:47] <brad_> i really hope this is nice as it seems
[03:48] <imbrandon> my bad, look like kwrite == kate
[03:48] <brad_> im sick of standing on my head to get some things to work in slack
[03:48] <HymnToLife> imbrandon> I'm pretty sure it is, in Breezy at least
[03:48] <imbrandon> brad it is ...... BUT just rember its not the end all / be all BUT if your used to slack then you will love it
[03:49] <dipnlik> imbrandon: IIRC, it was possible to embed vim in kwrite, this is not possible on kate
[03:49] <imbrandon> HymnToLife: probbly
[03:49] <imbrandon> !info kwrite breezy
[03:49] <imbrandon> !info kwrite dapper
[03:50] <imbrandon> hmmm
[03:50] <imbrandon> !+info kwrite dapper
[03:50] <ubotu> Package 'kwrite' does not exist.
[03:50] <imbrandon> !+info kwrite breezy
[03:50] <ubotu> Package 'kwrite' does not exist.
[03:50] <dipnlik> :-O
[03:50] <imbrandon> ouch
[03:50] <imbrandon> is kwrite part of koffice ?
[03:51] <dipnlik> imbrandon: no, that is kword
[03:51] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[03:51] <HymnToLife> !info kwrite
[03:51] <imbrandon> might have to get a debian package for now and take your chances, then ask the -motu to maby get it in for edgy
[03:51] <HymnToLife> that's strange
[03:52] <imbrandon> debian etch/sarge packages *can* work , just be carefull with them
[03:52] <imbrandon> but if your a vim user then you might be used to that ....... *chokes on vim*
[03:52] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:53] <imbrandon> j/k
[03:53] <imbrandon> but i'll see what the deal is later once dapper has shipped for getting it into edgy for ya if its possible
[03:53] <NeoChaosX> kwrite is installed if you have kate installed
[03:54] <NeoChaosX> it's just a stripped down kate
[03:54] <imbrandon> thats what i thought NeoChaosX
[03:54] <imbrandon> but he seems to think diffrent
[03:54] <NeoChaosX> who does?
[03:54] <imbrandon> dipnlik:
[03:54] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: wow, yeah i have kwrite (just not on katapult, wierd)
[03:55] <HymnToLife> [03:54]  <imbrandon> but he seems to think diffrent <= I hate apple :p
[03:55] <imbrandon> lol
[03:55] <nahoj> anyone else having trouble with kubuntu dapper freezing very often?
[03:55] <imbrandon> nahoj: not i, been running dapper a long time now
[03:55] <dipnlik> HymnToLife: i like mac minis, want one :)
[03:55] <dipnlik> imbrandon: how do you like the macbook?
[03:56] <HymnToLife> The only Apple stuff I ever bought was an iPod :p
[03:56] <nahoj> my system just froze 2 times in five minutes...
[03:56] <imbrandon> i LOVE it
[03:56] <imbrandon> nahoj: why?
[03:56] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: kwrite can have vim embedded
[03:56] <brad_> so im searching packages.ubuntu.com and some packages have  restricted in red letters after the title what is that all about?
[03:56] <nahoj> imbrandon, no idea, every day it freezes at least 4-5 times
[03:56] <HymnToLife> I would't spit on a 12" iBook either but I cn't afford having 2 laptops yet
[03:56] <nahoj> everything but the mouse just stop working
[03:56] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: Settings, Choose editor
[03:56] <nahoj> no option but to reboot
[03:57] <imbrandon> brad_: diffrent licencing
[03:57] <NeoChaosX> dipnlik: didn't know that, that's interesting
[03:57] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: just want to know what do I need to do to have vim embedded
[03:57] <NeoChaosX> Ah
[03:57] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: google says vimpart, but kubuntu doesn't have that package either
[03:58] <nahoj> imbrandon, i just had a clean install and after 3 minutes it froze completely
[03:58] <d3a> a new Windows xp installation has destroyed my grub ? is there a way to have the multiboot ?
[03:58] <imbrandon> nahoj: check /var/log/messages for errors, sounds like you have some hardware issues maybe
[03:58] <dipnlik> nahoj: my dapper freezed when I tried something OpenGL w/o configuring my video card
[03:58] <brad_> d3a, should have installed windows first
[03:58] <d3a> i can get in to my previous ubuntu partitions
[03:59] <d3a> brad_ yes too late
[03:59] <dipnlik> imbrandon: i'll have to save money for some 6 months to buy my mini... quite sad
[03:59] <imbrandon> d3a: yes just use the ubuntu cd again and repair grub ( there is a repair menu )
[03:59] <d3a> oh tks
[04:00] <d3a> bye all
[04:00] <nahoj> imbrandon, hmm... i don't really know what to look for... *n00b*
[04:01] <NeoChaosX> dipnlik: yeah, funny, vimpart package is in Breezy, but not in Dapper
[04:01] <nahoj> imbrandon, in the file, that is...
[04:01] <imbrandon> nahoj: look for errors
[04:01] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: maybe it is hidden in another vimpackage, heh
[04:01] <NeoChaosX> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fk%2Fkdeaddons%2Fvimpart_3.4.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb&md5sum=5fcf3f0c16405cfcd7a389cc8331045f&arch=i386&type=main
[04:02] <NeoChaosX> That has links to where you can download the Breezy vimpart package
[04:02] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: oh, thanks :)
[04:03] <NeoChaosX> no problem
[04:03] <brad_> dipnlik, what video card do you have?
[04:03] <dipnlik> brad_: radeon 9250
[04:03] <brad_> do you have it working with opengl now?
[04:04] <NeoChaosX> oh wait a minute. dipnlik, it doesn't work in Dapper
[04:04] <NeoChaosX> it requires an older version of the kdelibs4c2 package. >_<
[04:05] <dipnlik> brad_: well, i followed the steps on the wiki, and noticed better performance, but didn't try even an opengl screensaver
[04:05] <NeoChaosX> The question is if it was updated for KDE 3.5. If it wasn't, that may explain why it isn't in the Dapper repos
[04:06] <nahoj> imbrandon, hmm.. when i check the file I can't find the word error anywhere....
[04:06] <brad_> k, i have an ati card as well... did it give you any ass pains
[04:07] <conflabermits> anyone wanna volunteer to help me? i just migrated from xp and i'm having some problems getting used to linux. need help installing stuff and learning the basics. volunteers?
[04:08] <nahoj> conflabermits, off course, newbie-questions are my speciality. ;-)
[04:08] <conflabermits> awesome
[04:08] <nahoj> that's why :p
[04:08] <masterloki> Hi there is there a way to install 6.06 live beta on text mode?
[04:09] <conflabermits> so nahoj, i downloaded a version of tron (the game) and i'm trying to learn how to install it
[04:09] <nahoj> conflabermits, is it .deb?
[04:10] <conflabermits> tron-0.5beta.tar.gz
[04:10] <conflabermits> what do you mean by .deb?
[04:10] <nahoj> .deb is a package that is ready to be installed with debian-based distros
[04:11] <brad_> hrmm this is weird...  im missing a gig of ram
[04:11] <nahoj> conflabermits, start with extracting the file
[04:11] <conflabermits> hmm, i guess it isn't. i didn't see that extension on any of the files
[04:11] <conflabermits> yeah, extracted
[04:11] <conflabermits> that was the easy part :)
[04:11] <dipnlik> masterloki: you want terminal commands to install 6.06 or install 6.06 w/o graphic mode?
[04:11] <nahoj> conflabermits, hmm... are u sure u can play that in linux?
[04:12] <conflabermits> i should be able to
[04:12] <dipnlik> conflabermits: where did you download it from?
[04:12] <masterloki> dipnlik I want to enter in
[04:12] <masterloki> dipnlik install w/o graphic mode
[04:12] <masterloki> dipnlik: sorry to much lag
[04:12] <conflabermits> it might take me a little while to find the website...
[04:13] <conflabermits> lemme check the history
[04:13] <dipnlik> masterloki: on install, there is a server mode install or something like that... ubuntu-server ... i saw that once, just don't remember exactly now
[04:14] <masterloki> dipnlik, ok let me check
[04:14] <nahoj> conflabermits, hmm.. got my hands full right now, but i am sure u are in good hands. good luck =)
[04:15] <conflabermits> http://freshmeat.net/projects/vgatron/?branch_id=35279&release_id=120440
[04:15] <conflabermits> thanks for the help, have a good one
[04:15] <Hrrmschmr> conflabermits, wait.
[04:15] <nahoj> see u around, good night
[04:15] <Hrrmschmr> I have come out of my lurking for a purpose.
[04:15] <Hrrmschmr> ..have you heard of armagetron?
[04:15] <conflabermits> not at all
[04:16] <Hrrmschmr> you should try it.  3d, multiplayer (same machine or otherwise).
[04:16] <conflabermits> if you missed all the action, i'm about two days, about two hours, into using kubuntu
[04:16] <Hrrmschmr> ..it is the love of the gods shining down on tron lovers.
[04:16] <conflabermits> is there a basic mode? i'm a fan of the classic
[04:16] <Hrrmschmr> ..well, you can change the 3d view..
[04:16] <Hrrmschmr> hehe.
[04:16] <conflabermits> hmmm
[04:16] <conflabermits> do you have a link to one that's easy to install?
[04:17] <Hrrmschmr> it's simple, fun gameplay.
[04:17] <conflabermits> or that you can guide me through
[04:17] <Hrrmschmr> apt-get install armagetron.
[04:17] <Hrrmschmr> ..that's it.
[04:17] <conflabermits> ok
[04:17] <Hrrmschmr> ..it's nice, but not necessary, to have 3d accelleration.
[04:17] <Hrrmschmr> armagetron -w if you need to run it as a window.
[04:17] <conflabermits> adept, right?
[04:17] <Hrrmschmr> yep.
[04:18] <dipnlik> conflabermits: you can search for tron in adept :) i saw armaagetron and ktron at least
[04:19] <MasterEvilAce> Ktron is stupid
[04:19] <conflabermits> i can't seem to find it
[04:19] <MasterEvilAce> armaagetron we played at school
[04:19] <MasterEvilAce> that game was AWESOMe
[04:19] <MasterEvilAce> i don't know of spelling
[04:19] <conflabermits> lemme fetch updates
[04:19] <conflabermits> i found ktron
[04:19] <MasterEvilAce> ktron is 2D
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> it's like the game snake
[04:20] <conflabermits> no prob
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> except with two snakes
[04:20] <conflabermits> right
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> and no items
[04:20] <conflabermits> i know tron
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> yeah.
[04:20] <imbrandon> tron ;)
[04:20] <Hrrmschmr> armagetron is love.
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> KTron is lame in comparison to 3d armagetron
[04:20] <conflabermits> the only other person i know with linux has it i think, that's one of the reasons why i wanted to get linux :P
[04:20] <Hrrmschmr> it's all the simplicity of the older games, with some newer graphics.
[04:20] <Hrrmschmr> :-)
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> true
[04:20] <imbrandon> ktron is a clone of the old tron arcade game MasterEvilAce
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> imbrandon: I understand.. it
[04:21] <MasterEvilAce> s just rubbish :)
[04:21] <conflabermits> so i clicked install and commit changes
[04:21] <dipnlik> i basically use emulators for non-windows gaming, maybe i'll give armagetron a try
[04:21] <conflabermits> SWEET it worked!
[04:21] <conflabermits> so adept is basically how i get most apps?
[04:21] <imbrandon> yup
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> Yep.
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> Look 'em up on the internet, and then see if they're in adept.
[04:22] <conflabermits> ah
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> Oh.
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> Hey.
[04:22] <EvilIdler> Happypenguin.org and Freshmeat.net are good places to start
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> If you don't have at least the 'universe' repository on, you should try it.
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> erh, should turn it on.
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> It will increase your selection a lot.
[04:23] <dipnlik> i have universe and multiverse. just don't know exactly what is what, but in this case more is more :)
[04:23] <Hrrmschmr> :-)
[04:24] <EvilIdler> Add the PLF repository, and you have all you need, pretty much
[04:24] <Hrrmschmr> Just remember that if you see two packages that seem similar, and one has 'ubuntu' in the package version, use that one.
[04:24] <dipnlik> PLF?
[04:24] <EvilIdler> Penguin Liberation Front :)
[04:24] <imbrandon> cybefunk is better ;)
[04:24] <dipnlik> don't know about this
[04:24] <imbrandon> it has dapper stuff
[04:24] <Hrrmschmr> eh?
[04:24] <conflabermits> hmmmm
[04:24] <Hrrmschmr> What is this cybefunk you speak of?
[04:25] <conflabermits> i shall do some research
[04:25] <Hrrmschmr> :-)
[04:25] <EvilIdler> I'm on Breezy, because the kernels in Dapper won't boot
[04:25] <Hrrmschmr> :-(
[04:25] <conflabermits> my goal is just to learn how to navigate in linux by the end of the summer
[04:25] <Hrrmschmr> heh.
[04:25] <Hrrmschmr> Well, you'll prolly have it by then.
[04:26] <Hrrmschmr> Most of the distributions have one sort of package manager or another.
[04:26] <imbrandon> # Cipherfunk multimedia packages (packages, GPG key: 33BAC1B3)
[04:26] <imbrandon> deb ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/ dapper main
[04:26] <Hrrmschmr> Adept, Synaptic, kpackage, yum..
[04:26] <imbrandon> ^^ w32codecs and such
[04:27] <Hrrmschmr> Thanks, imbrandon.
[04:28] <conflabermits> hey, thanks for the help guys. i'm off to play some tron and browse around for more stuff
[04:28] <conflabermits> adios
[04:28] <Hrrmschmr> :-)
[04:29] <brad_> ok off to install this...
[04:31] <coreymon77> hi everyone
[04:31] <coreymon77> im running dist-upgrade (finally)
[04:33] <imbrandon> heh
[04:34] <EvilIdler> Hmm..not good. Adept crashed when I selected ScummVM :/
[04:36] <Parkotron> Is there a way to make Kopete ignore status when sorting contacts?
[04:43] <DrBair> anyone out there use bing?
[04:46] <coreymon77> ill be back with dapper!
[04:50] <imbrandon> coreymon77 : good luck
[05:14] <kathy> I'm having trouble getting my Palm m500 to consistently sync with KPilot
[05:14] <kathy> the strange thing is my Tungsten T works flawlessly
[05:35] <Ed_L> if I install 6.06 LTS now, will there be an easy update path to the final version?
[05:36] <imbrandon> "apt-get dist-upgrade" wait to finish .... done ;)
[05:36] <imbrandon> thats easy huh ;)
[05:36] <Ed_L> indeed
[05:36] <Ed_L> after a failed Xandros attempt I'm now stuck on Mandrake :/
[05:36] <imbrandon> in other words yes, sorry kinda sarcastic tonight
[05:37] <imbrandon> failed Xandros ?
[05:37] <imbrandon> heh i never wanted to pay for xandros or i might have tried it sometime
[05:37] <Ed_L> it was stuck on 1024x768 on a widescreen LCD. no fun :/
[05:38] <Ed_L> there is an open circulation edition of it, but it was released a year ago to the month
[05:41] <Ed_L> I like how KDE just crashed
[05:53] <drgonzo> hello all
[05:53] <drgonzo> anyone here using xgf and kde ?
[05:54] <drgonzo> xgl*
[05:57] <imbrandon> drgonzo: might have better luck in #ubuntu-xgl if anyone is awake
[05:58] <drgonzo> ah thanks
[05:58] <DrBair> drgonzo: have played with it a little if you can't find help there
[05:59] <drgonzo> OK thanks DrBair
[06:02] <drgonzo> Seems it might be dead atm.
[06:02] <drgonzo> DrBlair: i'm trying to follow this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148860&highlight=compwiz
[06:02] <drgonzo> I've got a nvidia fx 5200, and i've compiled the driver using the exe for my own kernel.
[06:02] <drgonzo> compiled my own headers that is.
[06:03] <drgonzo> Anyway once I've gone through all the steps for kde, i restart ubuntu and when kdm boots up the nvidia windows starts but then it just dies back to a terminal straight away
[06:05] <drgonzo> actually im going to try something
[06:05] <drgonzo> brb
[06:12] <drgonzo> is that guide no good?
[06:13] <drgonzo> DrBair: Neither the gnome or the kde parts work for me
[06:16] <drgonzo> oh yeah im using 8756
[06:16] <dereks> drgonzo: check out #ubuntu-xgl ... its a whole channel for that topic :)
[06:16] <drgonzo> yeah, im there.
[06:16] <dereks> :)
[06:19] <DrBair> drgonzo: have you checked the output of the xorg log?
[06:21] <drgonzo> there is nothing
[06:21] <drgonzo> nothing complaing anyway
[06:21] <drgonzo> DrBair: did you follow that guide ?
[06:21] <DrBair> yeah, no problems on my NV6600
[06:22] <drgonzo> I compiled the nvidia drivers by hand using the nvidia installer
[06:22] <drgonzo> do i need the packaged nvidia-glx etc ?
[06:23] <MasterEvilAce> okay, i gave user access to smbmount command or whatnot. so i can mount stuff w/o root. but it still wants my user password to do it. is there a way to provide this in the mount command so i can put it in a script w/o having to enter pass everytime
[06:25] <DrBair> MasterEvilAce: I can tell you it is possible
[06:26] <MasterEvilAce> DrBair: but not anymore?
[06:27] <DrBair> drgonzo: the nv installer should have brought glx with it
[06:27] <DrBair> MasterEvilAce: I think its something like 'mount -t smbfs -o username=xxx -o password=xxx //address /mountpoint'
[06:28] <drgonzo> brb trying something
[06:31] <MasterEvilAce> DrBair: is that password for MY user on linux so my user can mount it? or is it for the network share access?
[06:32] <DrBair> for the share access
[06:32] <MasterEvilAce> oh :-/ looking for a way to bypass my linux user password
[06:32] <coreymon77> guys
[06:32] <coreymon77> problem
[06:33] <coreymon77> big problem
[06:33] <MasterEvilAce> coreymon77: yes?
[06:33] <coreymon77> internet not workin
[06:33] <MasterEvilAce> coreymon77: does your network card get recognized?
[06:33] <coreymon77> yup
[06:34] <coreymon77> ralink card
[06:34] <coreymon77> rt2500
[06:34] <robotgeek> coreymon77: should work out of the box, really
[06:34] <DrBair> how does dmesg look when you attempt to connect?
[06:34] <robotgeek> coreymon77: are you on breezy / dapper?
[06:34] <coreymon77> dapper
[06:35] <coreymon77> dmesg
[06:35] <coreymon77> ?
[06:35] <coreymon77> i use iwconfig
[06:35] <robotgeek> !wifi
[06:35] <ubotu> I guess wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[06:35] <robotgeek> coreymon77: check that link out, and i'll help you thru it
[06:35] <coreymon77> haha! ubotu!
[06:35] <coreymon77> one problem
[06:35] <coreymon77> im in windoze right now
[06:36] <coreymon77> thats how im tlakin to you guys
[06:36] <coreymon77> hey!
[06:36] <robotgeek> coreymon77: hmm, it is going to be an issue without 2 computers/other computer on wire
[06:36] <coreymon77> theres a whole special page for my specific card!
[06:36] <robotgeek> coreymon77: i also used to use te card, it should really work directly in dapper
[06:37] <coreymon77> its working
[06:37] <coreymon77> im connecting to my network
[06:37] <coreymon77> just not the intarweb
[06:38] <robotgeek> coreymon77: as in, you can ping the gateway, but not google