[06:06] <sakhi> Morning
[06:19] <superfly> morning sakhi, maiatoday
[06:46] <maiatoday> hi superfly
[08:07] <inetpro> good evening
[09:20] <inetpro> superfly: wb
[09:20] <superfly> thanks, dunno what happened there
[09:20] <inetpro> (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[09:21] <superfly> hrmf, probably Freenode's 7 acting up again
[09:40] <Kilos> still in time to say morning superfly and all others
[09:42] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:55] <Kilos> rahter poor turnout for the meeting last night. hope that doesnt affect us still being accepted at the powers that be
[09:55] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:55]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:59] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:00] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:00] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[10:00] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[10:00] <Kilos> good morning inetpro
[10:00] <inetpro> Kilos: the number of attendants should not matter
[10:01] <Kilos> i hope so
[10:02] <inetpro> we just need to keep the ball rolling
[10:03] <Kilos> oh is that all
[10:03] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, and I think you are contributing in a good way
[10:03] <Kilos> dont they want to see growth
[10:03] <inetpro> the fruit will grow sooner or later
[10:04] <Kilos> i had a look at ptawug they near 200 members
[10:05] <Kilos> if not for the need to use googleearth to get pinpointed i would join them
[10:05] <Kilos> i see they even cover other side hartebeestpoort dam
[10:07] <inetpro> well I don't think you can compare ptawug with #ubuntu-za
[10:08] <inetpro> oh and I think we might even have much more than 200 ubuntu-za members on the mailing list
[10:08] <Kilos> no but they seem to be a similar kinda venture and help each other with repos and so via wireless
[10:08] <inetpro> I think drubin knows the number
[10:09] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... not exactly the same
[10:09] <inetpro> we're just focussing on ubuntu, they are focussed on many things
[10:10] <Kilos> no i agree inetpro but if they are into ubuntu then there must be some clever geeks there as well
[10:10] <Kilos> and it seems to be a geeky thing to get pleasure out of helping others
[10:10] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously they have some clever dudes there and some of them are even members of ubuntu-za
[10:11] <Kilos> oh thats good to hear. do you know who?
[10:11] <inetpro> nothing wrong with being a member of multiple groups
[10:12] <Kilos> because i would hate to have to go through the whole please explain why i cant just quickly download stuff
[10:12] <Kilos> if they were all ms oriented i wouldnt be interested at all
[10:13] <inetpro> Kilos: they don't provide internet services
[10:13] <Kilos> but it seems a way to get around the bandwidth issues most of the time
[10:13] <Kilos> yes i saw that
[10:14] <inetpro> getting around it is still illegal
[10:14] <Kilos> but if you can get repos etc over wireless that already will save lots
[10:15] <Kilos> is wireless illegal
[10:16] <inetpro> Kilos: nope not exactly, and yes some will probably share stuff like repos over the wires
[10:17] <Kilos> thats what i read there that the aim is. to limit the need for bandwidth
[10:19] <inetpro> Kilos: just join their irc channel and ask around
[10:20] <Kilos> lol. i tried that but i then get kicked off here because i dunno how to make xchat use 2 different servers
[13:21] <nuvolari> o/
[13:22] <nuvolari> what do you guys think I can use to clean the letters off my keyboard?
[13:25] <superfly> soapy water?
[13:26] <superfly> maybe meths?
[13:33] <cocooncrash> nuvolari: Why do you want to do that?
[13:41] <confluency> Try sugar.
[13:42] <confluency> DIY Dvorak?
[13:42] <confluency> nuvolari: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1723853.html
[13:43] <nuvolari> confluency: ye, need to get rid of qwerty :P
[13:46] <nuvolari> Maaz: 100*15/60.0
[13:46] <Maaz> nuvolari: 25.0
[13:47] <nuvolari> :O
[13:47]  * nlsthzn_work waves
[13:51]  * superfly supresses the urge to make a comment about capes and superheros again ;-)
[13:51] <superfly> hiya Fantastic_Dan
[14:03] <nuvolari> capes? I likes the capes. Wine, Table Mountain, the sea... :P
[14:20] <Fantastic_Dan> heeeeeeey
[16:39] <Kilos> evening all
[16:40]  * nlsthzn_work waves
[16:52] <superfly> hi Kilos, nlsthzn_work
[16:54] <nlsthzn_work> Hi Mr. superfly ...
[16:54] <Kilos> hmm me likes that
[16:55] <Kilos> hiya Mr. superfly
[16:55] <Kilos> hehe
[16:56] <superfly> Heh.
[16:58] <superfly> oom Kilos
[16:58] <Kilos> hehe
[16:58] <superfly> And Uncle nlsthzn_work
[16:59] <Kilos> oh is he an uncle as well
[17:01] <nlsthzn_work> nope... but thanks for thinking of me :p
[17:01] <Kilos> lol
[17:01] <nlsthzn_work> Yours lord and master, Foamy
[17:05] <superfly> Oh, so it's Foamy nlsthzn_work
[17:07] <nlsthzn_work> Do you know Foamy Squirel?
[17:09] <superfly> No... Do I want to?
[17:09]  * superfly raises an eyebrow
[17:11] <nuvolari> naand oom Kilos
[17:13] <Symmetria> lol
[17:13] <Symmetria> neat
[17:13] <Symmetria> whatsapp on my pc works
[17:14] <Symmetria> what a hack :P
[17:15] <nlsthzn_work> superfly: to be honest no... not really... he can be rather bad mouthed and very a-religion... He has had a few funny moments but for all the wrong reasons...
[17:16] <superfly> yeah, I figured that was probably part of the Joe Cartoon era
[17:32] <Kilos> real winter night in durban 8°c
[17:32] <Kilos> poor nuvolari
[17:32] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:32]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:36] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:36] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:36] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[17:37] <Kilos> hi drussell
[17:37] <Kilos> and dan back again
[17:37] <Kilos> yay
[17:38] <Kilos> must be the fantastic 5 now
[17:38] <superfly> Kilos: and he's not just any Dan, he's Fantastic_Dan :-D
[17:38] <Kilos> lol
[17:38] <Kilos> hey superfly hows 365 going
[17:39] <superfly> Kilos: eish, it's currently dead in the water... the framework I was developing it on has reached a dead end, and I'll have to port it to another one, which is going to take a lot of work, and I just don't have time for it right now.
[17:39] <Kilos> has anyone seen drussell  before or is he new
[17:40] <Kilos> aw thats sad superfly
[17:41] <superfly> Kilos: I think drussell is new in here, either that or he usually uses another nick
[17:41] <Kilos> ah ty
[17:45] <Kilos> oh ya superfly is the pick a day still working with mommy
[17:45] <inetpro> good evening
[17:45] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za inetpro
[17:45] <Kilos> hehe
[17:45] <Kilos> are you new here
[17:45] <inetpro> Kilos: thanks
[17:46] <superfly> Kilos: no, the server died, and then once I had it up and running she didn't want to do it anymore.
[17:46]  * inetpro never been here before
[17:47] <Kilos> oh well inetpro you are welcome as long as you not a winsucks peep
[17:47] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[17:47] <inetpro> Kilos: what is that?
[17:47] <Kilos> have you heard of ubuntu before
[17:48] <Kilos> its an OS made by microstinks
[17:48] <Kilos> your server superfly ?
[17:48] <Kilos> the p2 one
[17:49] <inetpro> Kilos: what is ubuntu, can I eat it?
[17:49] <superfly> Kilos: what about it?
[17:49] <superfly> oh, no, not that server
[17:49] <Kilos> is that the server that died superfly
[17:49] <Kilos> oh sorry
[17:50] <superfly> no, that one is still running... they don't make hardware like they used to
[17:50] <superfly> my other one... the one with all the pictures and other files on it
[17:50] <superfly> fortunately the pictures were safe, it was the motherboard that died
[17:50] <Kilos> inetpro, to the best of my knowledge ubuntu is a very tasty flavour with a linux base
[17:50] <inetpro> Symmetria: you got whatsapp going on the PC? How?
[17:50] <Kilos> kinda like milktart
[17:51] <nuvolari> yummy
[17:51] <Kilos> oh thats the mb one. lucky hey
[17:51] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[17:51] <inetpro> hmm, that calls for a cup of coffee
[17:51] <nuvolari> this bakers milk choc break cookies are the best
[17:51] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[17:51]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:51] <nuvolari> naand oom Kilos
[17:52] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:52] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[17:52] <inetpro> melktert will be so nice now
[17:52] <Kilos> maybe i must go sleep. felling naughty tonight
[17:53] <nuvolari> :O
[17:53] <Kilos> and only pc around
[17:53] <Kilos> ek lief melktert
[17:53] <inetpro> Kilos: te vroeg om te slaap oom
[17:53] <nuvolari> since wanner is oom stout? :P
[17:54] <Kilos> nie net ek nie seun. die vlieg lyk my het ook bietjie stoutgeid in hom vanaand
[17:55] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[17:56] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[17:56] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[17:56] <nuvolari> Maaz:  where's mine?
[17:56] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[17:56] <inetpro> Maaz: baie dankie
[17:56] <Maaz> Plesier inetpro
[17:56] <nuvolari> Maaz: fine
[17:56] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[17:56] <nuvolari> Maaz: I said fine
[17:56] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[17:56] <nuvolari> be like that
[17:56] <Kilos> hehe
[18:02] <inetpro> Squirm: wb
[18:02] <Kilos> lo Squirm
[18:03] <Squirm> heya
[18:03]  * Squirm grumbles
[18:03] <Squirm> I'm trying to find a way to unlock my 3g Modem I bought in the UK :/
[18:03] <Kilos> wassup lad
[18:04] <Kilos> oh hold on
[18:04] <Squirm> DC Unlocker doesn't seem to pick up my modem, yet it says it does
[18:04] <Kilos> i got the site on my external i think
[18:04] <Squirm> :/
[18:07] <Kilos> Squirm, i got mine from this site
[18:07] <Kilos> http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/archive/t-906388-p-63.html
[18:07] <Kilos> most likely without the last bit
[18:08] <Kilos> i got an arab modem
[18:09]  * nlsthzn_work walks like an Eqyptian...
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <Kilos> and you know about modeswitch Squirm
[18:09] <Squirm> no?
[18:10] <Kilos> usb-modeswitch in synaptic other wise pc sdoesnt see 3g modem
[18:10] <Squirm> ah
[18:10] <Kilos> i think it was usb-modeswitch
[18:10] <Squirm> I just need to figure out how to unlock it first
[18:11] <Kilos> that link above
[18:11] <Squirm> yeah, but then how to actually do it
[18:11] <Kilos> i think i had to register before they helped but then it was within 2 hours
[18:11] <Kilos> they give you a code
[18:12] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[18:12] <Kilos> then i had to plug it into a windows pc and let it install
[18:13] <Kilos> then when you got a local sim in it will ask for the code those peeps will give you
[18:13] <Kilos> called a NCK code
[18:13] <Kilos> and maybe a NSCK code
[18:14] <Squirm> ok
[18:15] <Kilos> good luck
[18:17]  * Squirm breathes
[18:17] <Kilos> lol
[18:17] <Squirm> here in town they wanted to charge me R150, thats almost 15 pounds
[18:17] <Squirm> bleh
[18:18] <inetpro> hmm... "then i had to plug it into a windows pc"? that is just sad
[18:18] <Squirm> inetpro: it's sad they only make windows specific software
[18:19] <Kilos> yeah inetpro the 3g modems dont install to ubuntu as they do to windows
[18:19] <Kilos> and it wont ask for an unlock code unless you are in its own program
[18:19] <inetpro> surely there must be a simple AT command to talk to it?
[18:19] <Kilos> they lock them to the service provider
[18:20] <Kilos> like our mtn and voda do
[18:20] <Kilos> do like i did. installed xp on p3 just to unlock the modem
[18:22] <Kilos> those gsm guys were very helpful
[18:23] <Kilos> they even supply firmware for modems and flash goodies
[18:23] <Kilos> i didnt go that far just unlocked and it works kiff
[18:23] <Squirm> that's all I want
[18:24] <Kilos> they will give  you the unlock code
[18:24] <Kilos> windows peeps can even get a program that will work the code out
[18:24] <Squirm> yeah, I tried DC Unlocker
[18:25] <Squirm> which should unlock it, doesnt need a code or anything
[18:25] <Squirm> but idk, I think it's just my pc not liking my dongle
[18:25] <Squirm> :/
[18:25] <Squirm> thats actually what I think it is
[18:25] <Kilos> those gsm guys know all about fones and 3g modems, that their game
[18:27] <Kilos> you gotta install usb-modeswitch
[18:27] <Kilos> then network manager works kiff
[18:27] <Squirm> of which I dont have either
[18:28] <Kilos> oh yes you not on ubuntu hey?
[18:28] <Squirm> will have to figure something out that doesnt use gnome. I could just settle for wvdial
[18:28] <Squirm> im still with debian though
[18:28] <Kilos> i tried that but it didnt work for me
[18:29] <Squirm> I've had it working before
[18:29] <Kilos> but anyway you will first need the unlock code put into the modem
[18:29] <Kilos> we got ians working on kubuntu
[18:30] <Kilos> those gsm guys will help you Squirm
[18:31] <Kilos> once it is unlocked it will work on any OS
[18:45] <Kilos> aw dan cucked without greeting
[18:45] <Kilos> chucked
[18:45] <Kilos> ducked
[18:46] <inetpro> Kilos: at least I'm still here
[18:46] <Kilos> ya thanks man
[18:47] <inetpro> :-)
[18:47] <Kilos> dit bietjie koud ne inetpro
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: my feet are freezing
[18:48] <superfly> inetpro: sheep skin slippers :-D
[18:48] <Kilos> yeah mine too, and hands and nose and ears
[18:48] <inetpro> superfly: ahh, sounds nice and warm, where do I get those?
[18:49] <superfly> inetpro: there's a pharmacy in Caledon that sells them :-P
[18:49]  * inetpro should take a ride to Caledon on the scooter
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: how far is Caledon from here?
[18:51] <Kilos> lol
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: is dit baie vêr?
[18:51] <Kilos> ek dink in die kaap
[18:51] <inetpro> eish
[18:51] <Kilos> heel ver
[18:52] <Kilos> daar is plekke hier
[18:52] <Kilos> sal sis vra as sy uit die bad klim
[18:52] <inetpro> nee superfly, so vêr gaan ek noie oorleef op daai scootertjie nie
[18:52] <Kilos> sy het paar weke terug vir swaar gekoop
[18:52] <superfly> hehehe
[18:53] <superfly> yes, Caledon is in the Western Cape
[18:54]  * inetpro should perhaps just get a foot spa
[18:54] <Kilos> inetpro, sy se ook by n apteek. pharmarama
[18:54] <nlsthzn_work> http://hothardware.com/News/Nonprofit-Group-Releases-Open-Source-WiFi-Software/
[18:55] <Kilos> http://www.hotfrog.co.za/Products/Leather-Goods/GT/Pretoria
[18:55] <Kilos> http://www.openafrica.org/participant/judys-sheepskin-products
[18:56] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^ look there
[18:57] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[18:57] <Kilos> thank me if they have got near to you
[19:04] <inetpro> Kilos: sadly it won't help now
[19:04] <Kilos> only help now is a hot bath then bed
[19:08] <inetpro> as kids we used to just dunk our feet in salt water and ash
[19:08] <Kilos> lol
[19:09] <Kilos>  hot water helps if its only cold feet
[19:09] <Kilos> then once warm put socks
[19:09] <Kilos> i go bath and sleep now fellas. dont be up too late
[19:09] <Kilos> en lekker slaap
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: ek gaan ook slaap
[19:10] <Squirm> Sorry Friend but i don't have free codes to this model
[19:10] <Squirm> Regards
[19:10] <Squirm> Haicha
[19:10] <inetpro> good night
[19:10] <Squirm> :/
[19:10] <Kilos> more dan
[19:10] <Squirm> night
[19:10] <Kilos> oh my Squirm
[19:11] <Kilos> keep googling . somewhere there will be a site that has then
[19:11] <Kilos> try the modem manufacturer as well
[19:12] <Kilos> look by the sim for make and model
[19:12] <Squirm> yeah
[19:12] <Squirm> will look around
[19:12] <Squirm> it's ZTE MF100
[19:13] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to unlock a ZTE MF100 usb modem
[19:13] <Maaz> Kilos: "TestBox2 -ZTE MF-Modem All Unlocker! [Archive] - GSM-Forum" http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/archive/t-812502.html :: "modem | How to unlock broadband modem: unlocked dongle, unlocked ..." http://telecomandinternet.com/2010/07/how-to-unlock-broadband-modem-unlocked-dongle-unlocked-code-and-unlocking-software/ :: "ZTE MF100 Unlock code" http://www.gsmlover.com/unlocking-codes-log-files-requists/17694-zte-mf100-unlock-code.html :: "zte
[19:13] <Kilos> good luck squirm. sleep tight
[19:13] <inetpro> yikes
[19:13] <Squirm> chhers Kilos and thanks
[19:14] <Kilos> yw
[19:14] <Squirm> cheers
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: I see on some site they even hase away the ghosts with feet in a salt water remedy
[19:14] <inetpro> s/hase/chase/
[19:14] <Kilos> lol
[19:15] <Kilos> i dont have ghost probs
[19:15] <Kilos> its the living that bug me
[19:15] <Kilos> night
[19:28] <Langjan> Hi to all the young boffins, are you well?
[19:28] <nlsthzn_work> Hi Uncle Langjan
[19:28] <nlsthzn_work> I am well and you?
[19:29]  * nlsthzn_work isn't a boffin but still being polite :p
[19:30] <Langjan> Good to hear, I'm also doing fine thanks. Just being polite already makes you a boffin...
[19:31] <nlsthzn_work> Hehe, OK :)
[19:31] <Langjan> My screen goes upside-down when I select extra visual effects on my Ubuntu 10.10. Any suggestions about what to do? Tried to reset to upside down but it reverts before I can sort out the inverted buttons.
[19:43] <Langjan> nlsthzn, now I have to learn to type qazxswedc and I am not even getting nlsthzn right yet...hoekom maak julle dit so moeilik vir die oumense?
[19:47] <nlsthzn_work> Langjan: :) sorry was busy on another channel... but an easy way to do IRC is to type the first few letters than press tab ;)
[19:48] <Langjan> Excuse my ignorance - what is IRC?
[19:49] <nlsthzn_work> oh, we are currently chatting via IRC... Interet Relay Chat :)
[19:50] <Langjan> nlsthzn, wow! Thanks
[19:50] <Langjan> nlsthzn, any ideas on the upside-down screen?
[19:52] <nlsthzn_work> Langjan: upside down screen?
[19:53] <Langjan> yes, when I select extra visual effects, the screen goes upside down
[19:54] <nlsthzn_work> haha... that is weird (and annoying I am sure)
[19:55] <Langjan> very much so, I tried to get to the screen settings to see if selecting upside down mode will sort the problem, but perhaps that is not the right solution.
[20:00] <nlsthzn_work> To be honest I am not sure and very far from a Linux machine right now...
[20:01] <Langjan> OK thanks, it's not serious.
[20:46] <nlsthzn_work> Sokkies... that is an awesome name for IRC :D
[20:47] <Sokkies> Haha thanks. why do you say so? or are you being sarcastic
[20:49] <nlsthzn_work> No... it is... might be because I haven't been in SA for a few years and miss a bit of afrikaans but I like it :)
[20:52] <Sokkies> awesome.


[04:32] <pleia2> feed is now going to the planet "There were some firewall issues with planet.u.c getting to the frontends for xubuntu.  This should be fixed now." :)
[10:05] <knome> pleia2, huh? it isn't?
[10:05] <knome> pleia2, oh right, fixed. good.
[10:35] <knome> Unit193, ding!
[13:45] <ochosi> btw, the plymouth theme doesn't look very nice atm. it looks like there's a light-sabor hovering beneath the logo (i.e. the blue hue of the glow is borked/incompatible with the new wallpaper)
[13:46] <ochosi> who's taking care of plymouth atm? madnick?
[13:51] <mr_pouit> nobody
[13:51] <ochosi> meh :(
[13:51] <mr_pouit> I replaced the background picture only
[13:51] <mr_pouit> noticed that the blue wasn't the same, and told it to knome :p
[13:52] <ochosi> is it easy to change the blue?
[13:52] <mr_pouit> so yeah, the progress bar image uses a different blue hue for its border
[13:52] <ochosi> cause i might be able to tell you what to change it to
[13:53] <mr_pouit> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/precise/files/head:/lib/plymouth/themes/xubuntu-logo/
[13:53] <mr_pouit> probably only a small update for some pngs is needed
[13:54] <mr_pouit> there's no hardcoded color in the plymouth script, so it's only the png fault afaik
[14:02] <ochosi> it's really weird that they dropped resize-grips from gtk2 now
[14:03] <ochosi> right after they accepted the unico-patch to style the resize-grip in gtk3
[14:03] <ochosi> about plymouth: i'd rather have knome take care of that, i have to fix a few more greybird issues first
[14:03] <ochosi> and lightdm ideally
[14:04] <mr_pouit> too many issues were caused by the patch
[14:04] <ochosi> what patch? the gtk2 resizegrip?
[14:04] <mr_pouit> (it took them 1 year to notice that, though)
[14:04] <mr_pouit> yeah
[14:04] <ochosi> yeah, lol
[14:05] <ochosi> i mean that seemed clear from day1 tbh
[14:05] <mr_pouit> probably not to the design team :)
[14:06] <mr_pouit> - will fix issues with libreoffice (lp: #749986) and splash screens in other softwares (lp: #704105, #734381)
[14:06] <ochosi> where is the lightdm gtk-theme set again?
[14:06] <mr_pouit> (from the changelog)
[14:06] <mr_pouit> in /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf I think
[14:06] <ochosi> (doesn't seem to be in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf)
[14:06] <ochosi> ah
[14:08] <mr_pouit> "In libreoffice, dragging the window with the grip, displays the 'File' menu and blocks the resizing process (see the attached screenshot)."
[14:09] <ochosi> heh
[14:09] <mr_pouit> that was awesome
[14:09] <ochosi> nice one
[14:09] <ochosi> i was wondering whether we should advertise specific xfwm shortcuts more
[14:09] <ochosi> like alt+rightclick for window-resize
[14:10] <ochosi> hm, seems that trying to use lightdm-greeter.css from ambiance doesn't work for our greeter
[14:11] <ochosi> dunno why though, the class ".lightdm.menu" looks ok in a way
[14:13] <ochosi> and with ambiance lightdm looks okayish
[14:13] <ochosi> although not specifically themed
[14:15] <ochosi> mr_pouit: where can i find unity's lightdm greeter code?
[14:17] <mr_pouit> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-greeter-team/unity-greeter/trunk/files
[14:17] <ochosi> ty
[14:18] <ochosi> great, it's all vala
[14:27] <ochosi> we're using this: /usr/share/lightdm-gtk-greeter/greeter.ui, right?
[14:46] <Unit193> knome: Yeeeees?
[14:51] <G__81> hi knome
[14:59] <mr_pouit> ochosi: yes
[14:59] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ok, good to know. btw, i just fixed the tab issue
[15:00] <mr_pouit> \\o
[15:00] <ochosi> o//
[15:00] <knome> G__81, hey
[15:01] <knome> mr_pouit, damn it, yeah, i must fix that...
[15:02] <mr_pouit> don't worry, the xubuntu pl will whip you so that you don't forget
[15:02] <mr_pouit> uh, no, wait
[15:02] <knome> :P
[15:03] <knome> skaet, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS seems to raise some confusion. do you think that page could in any case say anything about the derivatives?
[15:04] <knome> mr_pouit, do you have any idea if transparent png's work?
[15:04] <knome> mr_pouit, re: plymouth
[15:05] <skaet> knome,  its referencing Kubuntu,  but using the term "editions" - is that the source of the confusion?
[15:06] <knome> skaet, that too, probably, but generally not listing the derivative/flavor/whatever lts periods
[15:07] <skaet> How about "The Ubuntu project will decide which flavors will be LTS and support duration for each, early in the LTS development cycle."
[15:07] <knome> skaet, and a link to a page that lists those durations?
[15:07] <knome> skaet, or just list those durations?
[15:07] <Unit193> knome: I see, thank you!
[15:07] <knome> skaet, i mean, it would be ok even in the very bottom of the page...
[15:08] <knome> Unit193, ;)
[15:08] <knome> Unit193, np
[15:11] <skaet> knome,  problem is that this is a general page,  not just one for this release.   The durations change based on project.    Where the durations should be expressed is:
[15:11] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseManifest
[15:12] <skaet> which is still missing your signoff.... that I've got the details there correct.  ;)
[15:12] <knome> skaet, i see. but i can also see why it's confusing for somebody to not have that list...
[15:12] <knome> skaet, i don't understand what's "ship-live" ?:)
[15:13] <knome> skaet, and why do we have "desktop" and nobody else does?
[15:13] <skaet> rather not create another page - when the ReleaseManifest is already there,  and an established part of our infrastructure.  :)
[15:13] <knome> mr_pouit, HALP!
[15:13] <knome> skaet, yeah. maybe just link to that and take care of updating every release :)
[15:13] <skaet> knome,  those are the seeds, and I cut/pasted from the last version - they may not be accurate anymore,  and if so,  should be fixed.  :)
[15:14] <knome> ok... in that case... mr_pouit: MORE HALP!
[15:14] <skaet> lol,  :)
[15:16] <skaet> hmmm..... what also might be useful,  is to put onto the Release Schedule,  which of the point releases you'll be participating in.     Which would illustrate the expectations as well.    ie. does it make sense for you to participate in 12.04.1 if so,  lets add a Xubuntu 12.04.1 to the Release Schedule.... etc.  thoughts?
[15:17] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule - scroll down past the release date...
[15:17] <knome> yep. i'll have to check that with mr_pouit, too.
[15:17] <knome> (i hope he's getting enough highlights!)
[15:18] <skaet> :)   let me know what you think might work for you,  and we can talk with the other flavors that are LTS  as well.
[15:18] <knome> i can see how it'd help if the project leader was a more technical person ;)
[15:18] <knome> sure, thanks
[15:19] <Unit193> Hmmmm..... Seems all are set as 18M duration, while some thought they were just doing a normal release.
[15:23] <skaet> knome,  added some wording changes to the LTS page.   Still need to figure out how to make explicit ref to the manifest in such a way it won't get stale,  but problem for another day.  :)
[15:24] <knome> yup :) thanks
[15:24] <knome> bbl ->
[15:52] <G__81> hi knome i was the one who sent the request of joining the xubuntu team today
[15:52] <G__81> in Launchpad
[16:07] <knome> G__81, yeah, i figured out. :)
[16:07] <G__81> knome, how ? :)
[16:08] <knome> G__81, one of the team leader secrets :P
[16:08] <G__81> does LP have my nick ? i mean is it updated. i dont remember
[16:08] <knome> anyway, as said in the message, we don't usually give out team memberships in LP right away
[16:08] <knome> (unless there is a specific reason, like needing to be part of the team to access something)
[16:09] <knome> G__81, is there something specific you'd like to work on?
[16:09] <G__81> yeah
[16:09] <G__81> knome, let me introduce myself
[16:10] <knome> sure :)
[16:11] <G__81> I have been contributing to open source projects and have been using Linux for many years. I have been a fedora contributor maintain couple of packages and i  am an active contributor to quagga (open source routing daemon) and also sent 2-3 patches to kernel and UML
[16:12] <G__81> i dont know anything about Ubuntu Processes. I have not done packaging either
[16:12] <knome> right :)
[16:12] <knome> mr_pouit and micahg are people you want to talk with
[16:13] <knome> they can help you get started mostly
[16:13] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted too
[16:13] <G__81> knome, is packaging the only way ?
[16:14] <knome> G__81, no, not really, but knowing it at least a bit helps :)
[16:14] <knome> the xubuntu team doesn't actually write much own code
[16:15] <knome> we generally speaking just gather stuff and make sure it works well together
[16:15] <ochosi> this limitation (code-writing) is mostly due to the little amount of manpower
[16:15] <G__81> hmm ok i get it
[16:16] <knome> that too, but also, when we do write code, we try to get most of it upstream :)
[16:16] <G__81> my question is xfce development is as such slow so what do you guys do every version as such
[16:16] <knome> G__81, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/
[16:16] <knome> G__81, that's our roadmap for the precise release
[16:17] <knome> there is usually lots of little things to fix...
[16:18] <G__81> oh ok
[16:19] <G__81> ok how can i help apart from packaging
[16:19] <knome> and if you look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule, you can see the feature freeze, for example, was already on feb 16 for this cycle
[16:19] <knome> this basically means there isn't really 6 months to do stuff...
[16:20] <knome> for this cycle, there is quite little what you can do since we've past most of the freezes
[16:20] <G__81> oh ok
[16:20] <knome> a good way to start is to start following the xubuntu-devel mailing list, this IRC channel and just hang around
[16:20] <knome> getting to know the ubuntu procedures is good too
[16:20] <knome> and any kind of communication is encouraged
[16:21] <G__81> yeah i could do that
[16:21] <G__81> :)
[16:21] <knome> you can also help with testing the releases and reporting bugs if you notice them
[16:22] <knome> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
[16:22] <knome> for example, there's no tests done for today, yet, except the upgrade tests
[16:22] <knome> Unit193 can help you getting started with testing
[16:22] <Unit193> Charlie-tca is best, and GridCube is another one.
[16:22] <knome> it's pretty straightforward though, just follow the testcases
[16:23] <knome> Unit193, sure. but they aren't online nearly as much as you are :)
[16:23] <G__81> lol
[16:23] <G__81> Unit 193 ?
[16:24] <G__81> i dont see it
[16:24] <G__81> i see a table
[16:24] <knome> G__81, you're referring to the tests?
[16:24] <G__81> yes
[16:24] <G__81> no
[16:24] <G__81> builds page
[16:24] <knome> yeah
[16:24] <knome> on that page, scroll down to "xubuntu"
[16:25] <G__81> ok
[16:25] <knome> there's four rows for all the images
[16:25] <G__81> yeah
[16:25] <knome> next to each one there is a column "mandatory"
[16:25] <knome> well, as you can see, none of those have been done today
[16:25] <knome> let's say you want to test the desktop i386 image
[16:25] <knome> you click on that
[16:26] <G__81> ok...
[16:26] <knome> and you get a different table, where you can see all the tests that need to be done for the i386 desktop image
[16:26] <G__81> i see an other table
[16:26] <knome> on the left there is an icon with a document and a tool
[16:27] <knome> if you click that, you'll see what you need to do to be able to pass/fail the test case
[16:27] <G__81> oh ok
[16:27] <G__81> i see it
[16:28] <knome> you can report passes/fails after you've logged in
[16:28] <knome> and there's also the download info link there :)
[16:28] <knome> if you do testing day-after-day, i recommend using some kind of syncing
[16:28] <knome> that way, you don't need to download 100% of the iso every day again
[16:29] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-tools has some easy scripts.
[16:29] <G__81> how do i do that
[16:29] <Unit193> Using rsync or zsync.
[16:29] <G__81> oh ok
[16:30] <G__81> i have an other question
[16:30] <knome> sure
[16:30] <G__81> you guys also do packaging right, i see xfce 4.10 is under development and current is 4.8 so whats that you guys package
[16:30] <knome> 4.8 is in precise
[16:30] <ochosi> (with a few patches from 4.9.x)
[16:30] <G__81> for eg: I maintain the thunar-python bindings in fedora and i dont see any updates there coz it hardly gets updated
[16:31] <G__81> for 12.04 also its gonna be 4.8
[16:31] <knome> G__81, yes, precise == 12.04
[16:31] <G__81> yeah so whats that you are gonna package
[16:31] <G__81> if i have to package something what would it be ?
[16:32] <knome> for precise, we won't package nothing at this stage :)
[16:32] <knome> we get most of xfce stuff from debian
[16:33] <knome> but we do some changes on top of that, with ubuntu-deltas
[16:33] <knome> but seriously, mr_pouit is much better in explaining that :)
[16:33] <G__81> so this release the only way i could get involved is testing is it
[16:33] <knome> that, and bug fixes
[16:34] <knome> most of that's probably artwork-related
[16:34] <knome> (fighting with GTK3...)
[16:34] <G__81> i could do bug fixes
[16:34] <G__81> i could try rather :)
[16:35] <knome> again, i have to point you to mr_pouit :)
[16:35] <knome> or micahg
[16:35] <G__81> :)
[16:41] <G__81> knome, ok nice to know all these
[16:41] <G__81> :)
[16:43] <knome> sure :)
[16:44] <knome> if you have any other questions... feel free to ask in the channel
[16:44]  * knome is off for now
[16:44] <Unit193> Adios knome, catch you Sun/Mon.
[16:45] <G__81> thanks knome
[16:45] <knome> Unit193, hf with no pc :)
[16:45] <Unit193> :D
[16:45] <knome> G__81, np :)
[16:50] <micahg> G__81: 4.10 will go in 12.10
[16:50] <Unit193> And GTK3 even later. :/
[16:50] <G__81> yeah micahg i could see it
[16:50] <G__81> :)
[16:52] <G__81> micahg, xfce does not have a method by which i can auto-arrange icons on desktop
[16:52] <G__81> is that available in xfce?
[16:53] <micahg> idk, I thought Thunar handled that
[16:53] <ochosi> no, xfdesktop handles the desktop
[16:54] <ochosi> unfortunately it has quite a few shortcomings, because it's practically unmaintained for a while already now
[16:54] <G__81> is it available ?
[16:55] <ochosi> if you mean sort-modes then i guess no (but i have to admit that i never use the desktop-icons)
[17:00] <G__81> ochosi, yeah auto-arrange lets say i delete an icon on desktop then there is a gap formed coz the other icons dont go up automatically to take up the blank space on the desktop right
[17:00] <ochosi> yup
[17:00] <ochosi> that doesn't work
[17:02] <G__81> oh ok
[17:02] <ochosi> the long-term plan is to make the desktop a thunar-extension
[17:02] <ochosi> so that it would have the same features and behave consistently
[17:02] <G__81> lxde has that feature
[17:03] <ochosi> but that'll be a long way down the road i fear
[17:06] <G__81> why is xfce devel so slow ?
[17:06] <ochosi> too little manpower
[17:07] <ochosi> no paid devs, no company behind it
[17:07] <G__81> but the good thing is that they have not screwed up the interface unlike gnome
[17:07] <G__81> oh ok
[17:15] <G__81> sometimes i get a dialog box which says some keyring blah blah..
[17:15] <G__81> i dont have any clue on why i get it sometimes
[17:15] <G__81> any clue on why we get that ?


[00:33] <josh> hi
[00:46] <dumbstupidhuman> test
[07:54] <vish> thorwil: haha! the ML seems to be loosing more , another 4 down ;p
[07:54] <vish> thorwil: do you keep your old mails? or do you delete them periodically?
[07:56] <thorwil> vish: people who wouldn't do anything anyway unsubscribing is hardly an issue
[07:56] <vish> thorwil: nah , not an issue , but atleast we see an activity from them ;)
[07:57] <thorwil> vish: i keep some emails i deem important, where i think i will look at them again at some point. i delete everything else
[07:57] <thorwil> easy decision for list mail, as it's archived, anyway
[07:58] <vish> thorwil: if you have mails from the wiki subscription it would be neat! ;)  i had created a humanity wiki setup, but i deleted it.. would you have that?
[07:59] <thorwil> vish: no
[07:59] <vish> bah :(
[08:00] <thorwil> vish: what do you mean with wiki setup?
[08:00] <vish> thorwil: err! it should have been setup a wiki! :)
[08:00] <vish> thorwil: it was the humanity guidelines
[08:01] <thorwil> vish: and you don't recall the wiki link to roll it back?
[08:02] <vish> oh! we can do that?
[08:02]  * vish thinks harder
[08:03] <thorwil> vish: a deleted page looks like a non-existing page, but you can access the history via the Info link, if i recall correctly
[08:05] <vish> now , i need to remember the link :D
[09:10] <vish> thorwil: whats ruby on rails?
[09:11] <vish> linky?
[09:11] <thorwil> 0.o
[09:11] <thorwil> vish: http://rubyonrails.org/
[09:12] <vish> thorwil: yea, i'v seen you mentioning a couple of times , but never took interest in finding what it is ;p
[09:12] <thorwil> vish: it's a web-development framework, using ruby as language
[09:13] <vish> thorwil: how will it help in design hub?
[09:13] <thorwil> vish: i mentioned it a couple of times? strange as i find pylons, lift, seaside and perhaps a few others more interesting
[09:14] <thorwil> vish: design hub is implemented on top of it
[09:14] <vish> hmm..
[09:14] <vish> thorwil: yeah, you talk a lot! ;p
[09:14] <thorwil> heh
[09:14] <vish> thorwil: now imagine how it is when troy talk to me :p
[09:14] <thorwil> i hope my words to productivity ratio is still bearable ;p
[09:14] <vish> talks*
[09:15] <vish> thorwil: i mean in the sense, about a lot of stuff..
[09:15] <thorwil> vish: interesting choice of words. he talks to you, not you talk with him
[09:21] <thorwil> i replied to beyecixramd off-list, regarding email-etiquette. can't endure another top vs bottom posting "discussion"
[09:22] <vish> thorwil: i think we should hold off on those top posting problems for a bit
[09:22] <thorwil> vish: that's what i'm saying. note he asked to be informed about such matters
[09:22] <vish> thorwil: its annoying for me too ;)
[10:57]  * vish wonders . if maybe we slow down the pace of adding a lot of suggestions! ;)
[10:58] <vish> thorwil: not all LoCo want material , some of them have their regular artists , so ..
[10:59] <thorwil> vish: better have people contact locos and see, then not to
[10:59] <vish> lets try one new idea a day .. something more paced.. if we rush too much it just looks too confusing.. :)
[11:01] <vish> thorwil: well, not many are as patient as you.. ;)   you dont bother if the team takes your idea or not.. but if we are pushing this as a TODO , it needs to be a TODO....
[11:03] <thorwil> vish: just send mail pointing to wallpaper guidelines/templates, as that is supporting material. guess i'm done now, anyway
[11:04] <vish> thorwil: done? we dont have any more work!!! :(
[11:04] <thorwil> vish: TODO? it's a suggestion. people need to manage their own TODOs
[11:05] <thorwil> vish: i meant done with sending mail that is not a response. for today
[11:05]  * thorwil -> lunch
[11:05] <vish> ..well, they dont know it.. its sounds like a TODO
[11:28] <thorwil> vish: how? i used phrases like "For those interested in", "Consider to"
[11:30] <vish> thorwil: yea, it sounds like an available TODO, for those interested to work on
[11:30] <thorwil> heh
[11:31] <thorwil> wonder how long it takes until someone asks what i will do :}
[11:31] <vish>  lol!
[11:33] <vish> thorwil: i think our top priority should be in getting a design hub
[11:33] <vish> and being everything in one place
[11:34] <vish> right now, its too spreadout to be be effective..
[11:34] <vish> and we should encourage conversation about the work, so that its not just do and submit it somewhere..
[11:37] <thorwil> vish: a real everything in one place solution is too expensive
[11:38] <thorwil> a documentation on the wiki, discussion on the list and artwork on some site approach shouldn't hurt too much
[11:40] <vish> thorwil: oh i meant that for all "artwork on some site" part..
[11:40] <thorwil> vish: we might be worrying about fewer than 10 who will ever get active, with only the tiniest fraction with the skill and endurance to make it worthwhile
[11:41] <vish> thorwil: well , my best guess is only around 50 might even be remotely interested in doing work..
[11:41] <vish> getting those 50 to do is the tough part ;p
[11:42] <thorwil> vish: then the question is, if http://art.ubuntu-owl.org/ is sufficient, if there are features missing that ar trivial enough to add them
[11:42] <vish> thorwil: i think doctormo is willing to expand it , depending on the participation
[11:43] <thorwil> vish: or if design-hub is a better platform. but having one actual instance vs just a git-repo ...
[11:43] <vish> thorwil: pleia is currently hosting i believe , maybe we can move it to some official server, if it gets a whole lot bigger
[11:44] <vish> thorwil: what needs to be easy is>
[11:44] <vish> 1: easier for people to request
[11:44] <vish> 2: easier for people to submit
[11:45] <vish> 3: easier for people to review
[11:45] <vish> 4: easier for people to download!
[11:46] <vish> wiki , etc.. can be just a documentation resource..
[11:46] <vish> that we can use for the other pieces too..
[11:50] <thorwil> oh, it's manual registration on http://art.ubuntu-owl.org
[11:54] <doctormo> vish, thorwil: Should be able to do requests, not sure about surfactant.
[11:58] <thorwil> doctormo: surfactant?
[11:59] <doctormo> sufficient
[12:00] <thorwil> ah, so it's not about the surface tension of liquids. phew :)
[12:31] <doctormo> thorwil: This is why we need a more intelligent spell checker, I want something I can hover over any word and get 5 synonyms.
[12:32] <doctormo> thorwil: I think cchost would server our needs and would keep us using the same tools as debian. We have another option of moving towards the new code used by openclipart.org which may be useful, but it may be too custom for our needs. But they do support everything we need to do.
[12:32] <doctormo> I'd be interested in a report on design hub.
[12:58] <thorwil> the first thing i miss on a page like http://www.debianart.org/cchost/?ccm=/media/tags/logo is thumbnails
[12:59] <thorwil> and scale to fill is not so clever: http://www.debianart.org/cchost/?ccm=/media/files/dejan034/958
[13:11] <doctormo> thorwil: They're using an old version of ccHost, but I take your point. I put in thumbnail generation of svgs into art.ubuntu-owl, pngs should be easier.
[13:12] <doctormo> http://art.ubuntu-owl.org/people/sealv <- that's the generated thumbnail
[13:12] <doctormo> Although that page needs attention to fix issues.
[13:14] <doctormo> It's kinda funny because cchost has everything for thumbnails built in, it just fell over on svg detection and a few html bits to enable their view.
[14:10] <vish>  Hey, tell your admin...
[14:10] <vish> ...to setup a 'welcome new users' page
[14:10] <vish> doctormo: ^^ :D
[14:13] <doctormo> vish: My admin? You mean you? :-D
[14:13] <vish> doctormo:  art.ubuntu-owl.org admin ;)
[14:14] <doctormo> vish: Yes, I'm waiting for you to join so I can admin you up.
[14:14] <vish> oh ok. :)
[14:14]  * vish just joined..
[14:16] <doctormo> vish: You should be an admin now
[14:17] <vish> doctormo: \o/ thanks.. ;)
[16:18] <thorwil> doctormo: i created an account on art.ubuntu-owl.org (or tried to) a while ago and have been waiting for moderator action ;)
[16:18] <doctormo> thorwil: What kind of moderator action do you need?
[16:20] <thorwil> doctormo: i don't recall the exact message, but it implied that a human will have to activate the account
[16:20] <thorwil> i got no email message
[16:20] <doctormo> thorwil: Perhaps I don't know how to use the system yet, but I've not seen any messages or any user lists.
[16:21] <thorwil> doctormo: hmm, then just let me try again and we'll see
[16:23] <thorwil> "That username is already in use or is reserved by the system." (thorwil). so something did happen. but i have no password
[16:23] <thorwil> trying the "forgot password" feature
[16:24] <doctormo> thorwil: It's hard because the admin interface doesn't have any user listing. So i can't actually see who has registed or manage users. :-/
[16:25] <doctormo> Ah found you, and got admin links from your user, bit of a hard round about way though
[16:25] <thorwil> oh, how spartan
[16:27] <doctormo> thorwil: Although it does have good logs, it shows when you registed and when I updated your password for you.
[16:27] <thorwil> ok, logged in now


[02:38] <gogeta> hey how i change my mouse prefs
[02:38] <gogeta> i wanna chnage from 3 finger right cleck to 2 fingle dubble tap
[02:39] <gogeta> 3 fingers of a ee touchpad isnt easy
[07:54] <MOP|Mini> How do I make my time not military time?
[13:50] <leszek> hi
[14:13] <bioterror> hi
[14:13] <bioterror> kids: if you encrypt your home folder, remember to take backups
[14:32] <UndiFineD> fail ?!
[14:36] <bioterror> UndiFineD, I'm best in failing :D
[14:39] <UndiFineD> backups are a good thing :)
[14:40] <bioterror> DONT YOU!
[14:40] <bioterror> as I said, I was doing backup :D
[14:47] <leszek> lxkeymap 0.3 commited to http://launchpad.net/lxkeymap . Gets a brand new interface which looks more like ubiquitys
[14:57] <gilir> leszek, great ! thank you :)
[17:09] <beverly> Lubuntu's ecryptfs support was unusable to my mother on a fresh install (no desktop icon, no launcher content that worked, had to use PCManFM to pull up LXTerminal and then use the terminal command) so I installed the updates. Now the keyboard and mouse are unresponsive in X11 unless I unplug and re-plug the mouse... which only gives me enough access to shut down or reboot... and I have no idea what it's doing, but recovery mode seems t
[17:09] <beverly> o get stuck doing something to the hard drive part-way through the boot process. Suggestions?
[17:09] <beverly> (It's a laptop, so I can't pull the keyboard and reconnect it)
[17:13] <UndiFineD> a lot of people are still getting alpha1 torrent from me
[17:55] <beverly> Whoops.
[18:42] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[18:42] <kosaidpo> i dont kno why icant join #php chanel
[18:44] <bioterror> !lubuntu | kosaidpo
[18:44] <ubot5`> kosaidpo: lubuntu is a project to create a derivative of Ubuntu using the LXDE desktop environment. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu . /join #lubuntu for lubuntu support.
[20:03] <zleap> hi
[20:03] <zleap> just done a clean install of 10.10 and i dont have any programs on what is the main menu
[20:06] <zleap> hi
[20:07] <zleap> hello
[20:10] <zleap> hi
[20:10] <phillw> hiyas zleap no programs?
[20:10] <zleap> yeah
[20:10] <zleap> new install
[20:10] <zleap> i need to create another user account that isn't sudo-root later
[20:10] <zleap> but for now just need a basic set of apps
[20:13] <phillw> zleap: the install will put on the standard apps, unless you did a minimal install using the core option.
[20:13] <zleap> it's ok not finished doing stuff  yet
[20:13] <zleap> too about 5 mins to give me the encrypt home directory box
[20:15] <phillw> zleap: encrypted home directories and lubuntu are not 'playing' at the moment, be very careful.
[20:15] <zleap> oh ij
[20:15] <zleap> ok
[20:16] <zleap> will close that box then
[20:16] <phillw> it is a known bug, I'm not sure where they're up to with it.
[20:16] <zleap> ok
[20:16] <zleap> well it said either do it now, or if I say no i need to run it manually later
[20:17] <zleap> if it isn't working i can do it when its fixed or just leave it, it's not essential
[20:19] <phillw> zleap: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1632288
[20:33] <zleap> thans
[20:33] <zleap> thanks
[20:39] <pip_> I assume an md5 should be the same for a torrent download as a direct download?
[20:39] <pip_> natty alpha1 that is......
[20:42] <phillw> pip_: indeed :)
[20:42] <pip_> awwwww man................
[20:43] <phillw> pip_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing has the notes that I just added today, they need expanding on.
[20:43] <phillw> But there should be enough on there to get people started.
[20:44] <pip_> I'll go have a look I've had an unproductive day with the alpha
[20:45] <zleap> blimy do the people creating osmo think people have bad eyesight
[20:45] <zleap> text is huge
[20:45] <pip_> I also think that cheap cds are the problem with the burn speed......
[20:47] <phillw> pip_: oddly enough, a lot people find them better than the expensive ones. Burning iso's requires so much more precision than burning, say, music. I burn at 2X speed, it takes longer but saves me throwing cd's away :P
[20:48] <pip_> it's either the cds of my hardware, i dont seem able to burn anything at less than 8x. The speed got automatically whacked up to 8x on one burn last night.  Stumped me a bit
[20:49] <pip_> so today i tried a dvd burned that at 4x & it failed the disc check.........
[20:49] <pip_> I've even done an upgrade & that won't boot
[20:50] <pip_> 10.10 to natty alph1
[20:50] <phillw> I've had that, it's why I use cdRW's, that slows the critter down :P
[20:50] <pip_> h e a d   b a t t e r e d !!!
[20:50] <pip_> :-)
[20:51] <phillw> pip_: It's very doubtful the upgrade path is even written yet, the a1 has only been out 2 days.
[20:52] <pip_> that explains that then haha
[20:53] <pip_> whats freakin me out is that 2 boxes aren't even registering that there's a cd in the drive.  Straight to normal boot
[20:53] <phillw> pip_: do a manual check on the cd
[20:54] <phillw> if the cd will not md5, you're on a hiding to nothing.
[20:54] <pip_> they've both passed & the downloads were good.  I'm proper freaked out
[20:54] <phillw> pip_: have you checked the BIOS? It's an easy one to miss the boot order (been there, got the 'T'-Shirt).
[20:55] <pip_> haha, oh yeah that was the first thing I checked
[20:56] <pip_> I think I'll have one more go & see what happens
[20:56] <phillw> pip_: the only other one is to get a lens cleaning cd. That can make the difference (I never leave home without one when doing support calls).
[20:57] <pip_> aha, I could try my other box for the burn...........
[20:58] <pip_> although the 1st disc I burned at my folks house............
[21:01] <pip_> I'll even make sure I've got the BIOS set up right again..........
[21:03] <phillw> the land of 'funnies' with cd's is a frustrating land. I've heard all sorts of weird and wonderful stories. One other thing you may want to try is use a different cd burning program, and I have no idea why that works for some when all else fails.
[21:05] <pip_> yeah, I stopped using brassero cos it seemed a bit odd now & then
[21:07] <phillw> pip_: yet I've never had a problem with it, it's just one of those weird things.
[21:10] <pip_> ok, i just checked the iso md5 in the terminal & it matched.  Using k3b to burn the disc thats given me a way off md5 so i think the download is corrupt.
[21:10] <pip_> What're those links again?
[21:12] <pip_> it's okay got 'em
[21:12] <phillw> pip_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[21:12] <phillw> if the iso md5's okay, it is the cd burning that is the problem.
[21:15] <pip_> well, i cant really tell.  The md5 from the terminal is correct, but the one from k3b isn't.  It's usually on the money too so I'll try again
[21:15] <pip_> thnx for the link btw
[21:29] <pip_> i'm such a noob, the md5 in k3b is from the last iso i burned hahahaha
[21:58] <zleap> i can't get either gthumb or fspot working on lubuntu
[21:59] <pip_> nah man, thats stitched me up again.  Time for some gaming I think
[21:59] <pip_> bbl


[21:53] <brandflake11> Hey all, the lubuntu 64bit iso is down
[21:54] <brandflake11> This link: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/19.10/release/lubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:54] <kc2bez> brandflake11: 19.10 is eol
[21:54] <kc2bez> !eol
[21:55] <brandflake11> kc2bez: I see, I didn't realize it was end of lifed.
[21:55] <brandflake11> So the website hasn't been updated for the newest version then?
[21:55] <kc2bez> Current links to the downloads can be found on the official page https://lubuntu.me/downloads.
[21:56] <kc2bez> Also in the topic too.
[21:56] <brandflake11> kc2bez: Thank you, and sorry for the trouble!
[21:56] <kc2bez> No worries.
[21:56] <brandflake11> I didn't realize lubuntu.net wasn't the official
[21:57] <kc2bez> Yeah, it's the first google hit because everyone keeps clicking on it.
[21:57] <kc2bez> It is a vicious cycle
[21:57] <brandflake11> kc2bez: I guess I'm part of the problem then! At least I came from duckduckgo
[21:57] <brandflake11> I guess that doesn't help though, does it?
[21:58] <kc2bez> Yeah, probably same thing feeding it there too. It isn't your fault though.
[22:49] <terminus_> greetings


[13:11] <realtime-neil> Today I learned `7z x -o./ubuntu-20.04-live-server-amd64.d ubuntu-20.04-live-server-amd64.iso` is lossy -- it doesn't extract everything. I should have been doing `osirrox -indev ubuntu-20.04-live-server-amd64.iso -extract ./ ./ubuntu-20.04-live-server-amd64.d`
[14:01] <xnox> realtime-neil: correct. I thought we discussed this before that images have multiple alternate catalogues, partitions and partition tables... Even doing that will not trivially allow you to recreate the iso, as you will still miss bios hybrid bootsectors.
[14:02] <realtime-neil> xnox: yeah. yeah. I don't know nearly enough iso9660 to understand the half of what all that implies.
[14:02] <xnox> Neither do we!
[14:03] <xnox> Check all the commit logs on debian-cd if you want.
[14:04] <realtime-neil> there's some Debian folks that seem to have at least some of the xorriso options figured out: https://wiki.debian.org/RepackBootableISO#Determine_those_options_which_need_to_be_adapted_on_amd64_or_i386
[14:06] <xnox> do not use theirs, because ours are different.
[14:07] <xnox> note xorriso can take existing iso and print the things it thought were used to create it too.
[14:10] <realtime-neil> xnox: do, go on. I was planning on stripping that metadata using `isoinfo`, but your way is probably better.
[16:04] <realtime-neil> xnox: update: using osirrox to extract and the xorriso command from the Debian wiki has made my "Unable to install busybox-initramfs" problem go away.


[00:15] <peyam> hi
[00:15] <peyam> Anybody here
[00:15] <k1l> yes
[00:15] <k1l> how can we help you?
[00:16] <peyam> There is a racist in #ubuntu-se that saying very effensive stuff and I really want him kicked
[00:18] <peyam> k1l, can you help?
[00:20] <k1l> peyam: yes, we have some people looking into that issue right now.
[00:25] <ntwerdochlib> I here there is a racist in here?
[00:25] <k1l> ntwerdochlib: nope, no racists here
[00:25] <peyam> he is quite now
[00:25] <peyam> its not first time he talks to me that way
[00:25] <knome> peyam, so can you confirm, he's one of the frequent users of the channel?
[00:26] <knome> peyam, and generally well behaving
[00:26] <knome> peyam, or does he continue to be a problem?
[00:26] <peyam> no not maxjenzy. he is respected member in our channel
[00:27] <peyam> it is totsinaprops . wverytime he gets into the channel he attacks me and other people with nonswedish background
[00:27] <knome> right, so we missed the racist comments.
[00:28] <peyam> no he come late at nights or evening. and unfortunatly ops are not available that time
[00:28] <peyam> knome, I can give you his comments. commenst are available on ubuntu-se.org IRC logs
[00:29] <ntwerdochlib> strange case of racism.
[00:29] <peyam> pretty normal in Sweden
[00:29] <ntwerdochlib> really?
[00:30] <ntwerdochlib> never been, but have a swedish friend and he always seems cool
[00:30] <knome> ntwerdochlib, do you need help with something?
[00:30] <ntwerdochlib> knome, no.  really wanted to meet the racist.
[00:31] <knome> ntwerdochlib, in that case, please leave the channel as we have a non-idle policy here
[00:31] <phunyguy> totsinaprops was in #ubuntu-offtopic earlier... might still be I think
[00:31] <phunyguy> yup, he still is
[04:29] <IdleOne> sigh
[04:36] <rww> hrm?
[04:37] <IdleOne> just tired
[04:39] <IdleOne> @mark hojuruku talks a lot, says nothing, not very helpful. Seems to just want to complain and boast about his extensive know how.
[04:39] <rww> IdleOne: probably missed a channel there
[04:39] <IdleOne> iirc the bot marks the channel it shares with the user
[04:40] <IdleOne> needs channel if user is not in any
[04:40] <rww> @btlogin
[04:40] <IdleOne> I could be wrong
[04:40] <rww> IdleOne: you are, it defaults to the current channel
[04:40] <rww> (i.e. that one @marked scrollback here)
[04:41] <IdleOne> ah
[04:41] <rww> 'sokay, now you can just @comment instead :P
[04:42] <IdleOne> hah
[04:44] <IdleOne> so yeah, tired and a little bit on edge
[04:44] <IdleOne> been a rough 15 years
[05:06] <IdleOne> Never had someone use the "I'm australian so it is ok for me to be a homophobic jerk" excuse
[05:06] <IdleOne> interesting approach
[05:09] <rww> to be fair 105% of australians are homophobic
[05:09] <IdleOne> still not an excuse
[05:39] <rww> !derivatives
[05:39] <rww> Kali and Crunchbang aren't Ubuntu derivatives.
[05:39] <rww> Objections to !derivatives =~ s/kali-linux (#kali-linux), CrunchBang (support in #crunchbang), // ?
[05:39] <IdleOne> they used to be
[05:39] <IdleOne> go for it if it applies
[05:40] <rww> Crunchbang hasn't been since 2011, and I don't remember Kali ever being, though I don't pay much attention to it.
[05:41] <IdleOne> do what you think is right, if it isn't it can be fixed
[05:41] <IdleOne> if it can't be fixed, you will be tarred and feathered
[05:42] <rww> gnewsense isn't an ubuntu erivative either
[05:42] <rww> and backtrack isn't maintained
[05:42] <rww> what Ubuntu derivatives /are/ there apart from Mint these days
[05:45] <rww> !derivatives =~ s/^.*changes./Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu itself, as other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes./
[05:45] <rww> !derivatives
[05:45] <rww> sigh, I always forget that
[05:45] <rww> !derivatives =~ s/^/<reply> /
[05:45] <rww> !derivatives
[05:45] <rww> well whaever it's fixed now
[05:45] <IdleOne> !derivatives
[05:56] <Unit193> Kali was the move to Debian, yes.
[05:57] <rww> what other derivatives do we see
[05:57] <rww> elementary?
[05:57] <Unit193> Peppermint, bodhi, elementary, etc.
[05:57] <IdleOne> trisquel
[05:58] <rww> wat is peppermint
[06:00] <Unit193> "Cloud based"
[06:02] <Unit193> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives
[06:03] <rww> congrats on crashing rekonq
[06:03] <Unit193> \o/
[06:03] <Unit193> Firefox likes it. :----D
[06:04] <rww> okays, Elementary is #elementary, Bodhi is #bodhilinux
[06:04] <Unit193> Thought elementary was #el*OS
[06:05] <rww> so did i but i went to the website and it isn't
[06:06] <rww> trisquel is #trisquel
[06:07] <rww> (which of these do we actually get people asking about?)
[06:08] <IdleOne> kali is the most common I think and why can't I join the channel (root ident)
[06:09] <rww> okays, i leave channel as it is then :D
[06:09] <rww> erm
[06:09] <rww> factoid
[10:02] <DJones> Is eliseo in #ubuntu using the wrong terminal, or trying to be an issue?
[12:28] <k1l> regarding backlog: we still have user coming for kali, backtrack and crunchbang because they used to be based on ubuntu or are similar
[12:30] <bazhang> bt became kali afaik
[12:30] <k1l> yep and switched to debian base.
[12:30] <bazhang> elementary seems to get a fair number of questions
[12:31] <k1l> but doesnt stop user form asking in #u because the cant join/write in their channels (root@ blocked) and the idlerate is quite high
[12:32] <bazhang> ofc
[12:32] <k1l> elementary redirects a lot of users to #u. that was what user with elementary told
[12:32] <bazhang> people running trusty do the same thing
[13:33] <ikonia> reading the scroll back it's pretty poor
[13:33] <ikonia> the guys in #elementary pretty much can't support anything, moan and complain about #ubuntu but then tell each other to use #ubuntu as #elemtary doesn't know
[15:46] <Pici> makin' friends
[15:47] <ikonia> ?
[15:47] <Pici> 10:45:16 <?glippi> I like unicorns
[15:47] <Pici> 10:45:29 <Pici> glippi: so does #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:47] <Pici> 10:46:13 <?glippi> Pici: 1 thing I say and you immediately cry like a little bitch! :) You must be fun to be around....
[15:47] <ikonia> delightful
[15:59] <LjL> Pici: tell him i uninstalled AOKP because too many unicorns
[17:49] <derp> Just passing by <3
[17:57] <LjL> thank you and come again
[18:19] <genii> LjL: For some reason I imagine you saying that in the voice of Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
[18:20] <LjL-Card> genii: that was the intent :P
[18:20] <genii> Hah!
[18:29] <genii> For those that don't know yet already... 14.04 Release Parties was just added to the LoCo page. Let the carousing begin!
[18:31] <phunyguy> weellll woopity-doooo!
[18:31] <phunyguy> <3
[18:31] <IdleOne> We all invited?
[18:31]  * IdleOne packs the juice boxes in ice
[18:32] <genii> IdleOne: I know it's long drive for you to do Toronto, but as always please mention it where possible ;)
[18:33] <IdleOne> mentioned to the black sheep of the country
[18:33] <IdleOne> :)
[18:33] <IdleOne> what a horrible saying
[18:33] <IdleOne> sorry
[18:35] <genii> Bah. You're too politically correct sometimes.
[18:35] <IdleOne> true
[18:35] <IdleOne> I'll try being more like you Torontonians from now on lol
[18:37] <LjL-Card> mute me now
[18:40] <IdleOne> why did I mute you?
[18:40] <IdleOne> :)
[18:41] <IdleOne> oh right
[18:47] <LjL> IdleOne: because i was coming up with practical examples of how to call you too politically correct in very politically incorrect ways ;(
[18:52] <IdleOne> heh
[19:00] <phunyguy> ahhahaha
[20:17] <bazhang> !13.04
[20:18] <bazhang> yikes!
[20:18] <Pici> yep
[20:18] <phunyguy> only 9 months for that one total
[20:18] <bazhang> at this rate of support we'll be on greek letters by 2015
[20:19] <phunyguy> o.O.... that doesn't change the release cycle... just the support cycle..
[20:19] <phunyguy> :)
[20:23] <LjL-Card> i was just trying to outpace Canonical at their own game when i said floodbot support would end "yesterday", you know
[20:23] <k1l_> is this a translation error? i think the 13.04 upgrade sould work without EOL sources
[20:23] <k1l_> File "/usr/bin/do-release-upgrade", line 123, in <module>"%(url)s\n") % { 'url' : url })
[20:27] <phunyguy> hmmm
[21:38] <DJones> Anybody recognise Shar as a bot? 21:33 < Shar> night98<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has Joined #ubuntu...........But night98 hadn't joined #ubuntu
[21:39] <Pici> nope
[21:40] <DJones> Also posted 21:30 < Shar> night98 has Quit (Client exited)
[21:41] <DJones> But again, nothing in the channel to show night98 as a freenode user
[21:41] <k1l_> yep
[21:41] <DJones> Thats not even a nick on freenode
[21:41] <ldunn> a relay bot, perhaps?
[21:41] <DJones> I think so
[21:42] <DJones> From another network even
[21:42] <DJones> I'm going to remove and ask them to join here to explain what happening
[21:43] <k1l_> no ctcp version answer and no respond in pm.
[21:45] <DJones> As sent to Shar Please join #ubuntu-ops to explain your postings in the channel, night98 isn't in #ubuntu therefore your postings appear to be spam/bot related
[21:45] <k1l_> thundernetworks.net seems to be some sort of irc network?
[21:45] <DJones> Sounds more like as ldunn suggested as a relay bot then
[21:46] <ldunn> uh
[21:46] <Pici> weird
[21:46] <ldunn> just connected to thundernetworks.net, and got 08:45 -!- Irssi: Your nick is owned by Liam [ldunn@freenode/staff/ldunn]
[21:46] <Pici> I connected to irc.thundernetworks.net
[21:46] <Pici> me too
[21:47] <ldunn> looks like it's basically a complete mirror of at least #ubuntu
[21:47] <DJones> ok, I've banned "Shar" but they're still on #ubuntu
[21:47] <k1l_> wallfreenode? :)
[21:47] <DJones> 21:44                  DJones sets +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:47] <DJones> 21:44 < Shar> night98 has Quit (Client exited)
[21:47] <DJones> 21:44                  ChanServ sets -o DJones
[21:48] <LjL-Card> welcome to the rabbit hole
[21:48]  * DJones gives LjL-Card a blue pill
[21:49] <k1l_> DJones: it rejoined right before the ban was set
[21:49] <DJones> Wierd
[21:49] <DJones> IdleOne: Got it anyway
[21:51] <genii> What are they on about with the "dongforce" thing?
[21:51] <IdleOne> probably nothing we care about
[21:52] <LjL-Card> unless we're curious and have a lot of time on our hands
[21:52] <LjL-Card> i have the latter
[21:53] <LjL-Card> but i think i forgot my curiosity back on ircnet
[21:53] <Pici> forwardds to ##you_have_got_to_be_kidding
[21:53] <k1l_> !guidelines > arvut
[21:53] <genii> At first it sounded slightly obscene, but maybe it has to do something with force USB dongle or some-such
[21:54] <Pici> here we go
[21:55] <Pici> Dj-Wolf: hi. Is 'shar' yours?
[21:55] <Dj-Wolf> was ya
[21:55] <Dj-Wolf> lol
[21:56] <Pici> Unapproved bots are not allowed in our channels.
[21:56] <Dj-Wolf> if you didn't want in there all you had to do was ask.. it was my BNC i was setting things up....
[21:56] <DJones> Dj-Wolf: What was its purpose, the #ubuntu-* channels do have a policy of no unapproved bots
[21:56] <Pici> We had no way of knowing it was yours.
[21:56] <Dj-Wolf> oh that's ok..
[21:56] <Dj-Wolf> i'm not like mad over it or anything..
[21:56] <Dj-Wolf> hehe
[21:56] <LjL-Card> Dj-Wolf: and i regularly remind them of that policy by bringing in unapproved bots, so it's not like you can easily get away with it
[21:57] <Dj-Wolf> i know how it is running a channel everyone has rules :oD
[21:57] <DJones> Dj-Wolf: There is ##test that you can use for testing, the bot had started making comments in the channel about users that weren't in the channel
[21:57] <Dj-Wolf> oh..
[21:58] <LjL-Card> Dj-Wolf, general rule about bots: if you're pretty sure it won't talk in the wrong channel, it will
[21:58] <Dj-Wolf> shouldn't have been doing anything at all.. sorry guys/girls
[21:58] <LjL-Card> it's okay, no one was badly hurt, and only a few ubuntu members were killed
[21:58] <Dj-Wolf> that's odd i'm going to have to check it out and make sure there's nothing screwy with it
[21:59] <Dj-Wolf> people got killed?
[21:59] <LjL-Card> i'm kidding man
[21:59] <Dj-Wolf> oh ok
[21:59] <Dj-Wolf> i was like OH SNAP!
[21:59] <Dj-Wolf> lol
[21:59] <LjL-Card> note kidding not killing
[21:59] <Dj-Wolf> i know
[21:59] <Dj-Wolf> :oD
[22:00] <Dj-Wolf> anyways i was going to talk to you guys anyways about it.. but i was setting other stuff up... i wasn't even thinking.. :o/
[22:01] <LjL-Card> Dj-Wolf: well, i'm not an op in #ubuntu so i don't know if this can be acceptable, but if you'd like to test it again, i suggest you ask here first to get it muted, so in the worst case, it won't talk in the channel by mistake (and i expect the ops here would also want to know what it's doing and why you need to test it in #ubuntu)
[22:02] <Dj-Wolf> basically i was making a script that helps with Ubuntu issues...
[22:03] <Dj-Wolf> you would be able to dcc chat it and stuff
[22:03] <Dj-Wolf> for info
[22:27] <IdleOne> Dj-Wolf: I think it would fine if you put your bot in #ubuntu provided you can assure us that it won't relay from there to here. We don't need more noise :)
[23:21] <Dj-Wolf> i will assure you it won't
[23:21] <Dj-Wolf> i find the big in it
[23:21] <Dj-Wolf> lol
[23:23] <Dj-Wolf> uhh
[23:23] <Dj-Wolf> i found the bug in the script
[23:23] <Dj-Wolf> that's what i ment
[23:23] <Dj-Wolf> wow


[03:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:16] <Katnip> yeah 2:16 am here :)
[06:16] <Katnip> g' mornin anyway'
[06:53] <ducasse> good morning
[16:10] <Captain_Proton> Anyone running ubuntu on a AMD Ryzen  if so did you have any problems with drivers or any other problems
[16:13] <tomreyn> Captain_Proton: currently supported ubuntu releases generally run fine on all of zen 1, 1+ and 2.
[16:14] <tomreyn> there can be some difficulties with APUs in some releases.
[16:16] <Captain_Proton> I have not used the open source AMD drivers but I have use closed source one in the past they were not good at the time maybe they are better now.
[16:17] <Captain_Proton> That why I always Intel and Nvidea, but with Intel problems maybe it time to look at AMD again
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> !hardware
[16:17] <tomreyn> amgpu should work fine for anything not too old.
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> see also^
[16:18] <tomreyn> *amdgpu
[16:20] <Captain_Proton> Always the way with AMD :)
[17:00] <JanC> tomreyn: or too new
[17:03] <tomreyn> yes, possibly that, too


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[00:20] <CrystalEmpire> salut
[00:21] <CrystalEmpire> J'ai un probleme , j'ai installer Lubuntu et les bas des fenetre semble cache par la barre de raccourci
[00:21] <wxl> !fr |  CrystalEmpire
[01:11] <MACscr> i removed unity on my trusty desktop box and installed lxde. Now for the life of me, i cant figure out how to get autologin and lxde to work together
[01:12] <MACscr> should i still be using lightdm or should i be switching to something that is more lxde friendly or what?
[02:17] <Chelsea_Jurgens> Hi I am having trouble with bluetooth getting my speaker to work properly
[02:18] <newbooter> Could you describe the speaker problem in more detail?
[02:19] <newbooter> What version of Lubuntu are you running?
[02:19] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i am trying to connect via bluetooth, and using the bluetooth manager it recognizes the device, device added successfully, but failed to connect
[02:20] <Chelsea_Jurgens> 14.04
[02:20] <newbooter> Do you get an error message saying "failed to connect"?
[02:21] <newbooter> Or do you mean that there is no audio going to the speakers when you play something?
[02:22] <Chelsea_Jurgens> when i pull up bluetooth manager, i search for the device, the device shows up, i then make it pair, which is a success
[02:22] <newbooter> Have the speakers worked before when connected to another source via bluetooth?
[02:23] <newbooter> Ok succesfull pairing, then what?
[02:24] <Chelsea_Jurgens> not sure, just bought it. so i successfully pair, and it is still not recognized on input/output for pulse audio
[02:24] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i then do setup in bluetooth manager and it has four options
[02:25] <newbooter> what are they?
[02:25] <Chelsea_Jurgens> Headset service, a2dp sink (send audio), input service and don't connect
[02:25] <Chelsea_Jurgens> headset service is the only one i can get to
[02:26] <Chelsea_Jurgens> add and connect successfully
[02:26] <newbooter> ok
[02:27] <newbooter> So go to sound + video, play something with audacious or mplayer.
[02:27] <newbooter> Where does the audio go? To your normal laptop speakers?
[02:27] <newbooter> Laptop or pc btw?
[02:28] <Chelsea_Jurgens> yes internal laptop speakers by deafult
[02:28] <newbooter> so you hear sound from the laptop speakers?
[02:28] <newbooter> when you play something?
[02:28] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i do have a blue yetti usb speaker with headphones plugged in via usb, not now, but those work fine no problem when plugged in
[02:29] <Chelsea_Jurgens> everything still plays from internal speaker
[02:29] <newbooter> So you have you got the little speaker icon in the bottom right of the panel? Righ click on that and choose volume control settings
[02:29] <Chelsea_Jurgens> yes, which is pulse audio
[02:30] <Chelsea_Jurgens> or pavlu control
[02:32] <newbooter> I am not familiar with pulse audio
[02:33] <Unit193> Lubuntu doesn't generally come with it by default.
[02:33] <Chelsea_Jurgens> oh ok i must have added it after the fact via advice to set up my mic
[02:33] <newbooter> on my 14.10 lubuntu if I right click I get alsamixer
[02:33] <newbooter> Which shows
[02:34] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i have that as well
[02:34] <newbooter> mic, speakers etch
[02:35] <Chelsea_Jurgens> correct
[02:36] <newbooter> So does alsamixer show your headphone as muted?
[02:36] <Chelsea_Jurgens> no
[02:36] <newbooter> Or are they enabled and on vol x
[02:37] <Chelsea_Jurgens> enabled
[02:38] <newbooter> Ok I am not sure ihf your bt speakers should show up
[02:38] <newbooter> separately in alsa
[02:39] <Chelsea_Jurgens> how could i tell
[02:41] <newbooter> Did quick read just now
[02:41] <newbooter> Looks like pulse audio is the way to go
[02:43] <Chelsea_Jurgens> yea thats what i'm trying, but never recognizes
[02:43] <sak> has anyone used vino or remmina on lubuntu 14.04?
[02:44] <newbooter> Also in the playback app you have to set your output device. Have you done that?
[02:44] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i try using pulse audio, but does not recognize it
[02:46] <Unit193> sak: What's the question?
[02:47] <newbooter> So like audacious settings, audio, output plugin, pulse audio output?
[02:49] <Chelsea_Jurgens> yea, does not recognize it
[02:50] <sak> I am working with the QAteam creating a testcase for vino and remmina. These two packages was said to be installed by default on ubuntu. I was guessing ubuntu unity. I did not see them installed on lubuntu 14.04 which is the system I wanted to use for a trial run. I installed vino from synaptic, but did not see any package with that name in the app menu, nor could I run it in the terminal. I understand it is a plugin for remote d
[02:50] <sak> esktop protocol for VNC connections. My question, what remote desktop protocol uses vino as a vnc plugin that I need to install on Lubuntu?
[02:50] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i was able to do it with my blue yetti usb mic and headphones, but not this
[02:52] <drkokandy> have you tried vino-server sak?
[02:52] <drkokandy> I don't think vino is a plugin, I think it's a VNC server
[02:52] <newbooter> Worked via pulse audio output? Or alsa output?
[02:53] <Unit193> sak: Yes, Ubuntu, edubuntu, and vino is also on ubuntu-gnome.
[02:53] <sak> drkokandy, no I have not. I just installed a package named vino
[02:53] <Unit193> !info vino
[02:53] <Unit193> !info remmina
[02:54] <Unit193> And yes, vino is a server.  Try: dpkg -L vino
[02:55] <Chelsea_Jurgens> via pulse audio
[02:56] <drkokandy> sak: on my machine, after installing vino, it auto-starts on the next login
[02:56] <sak> From the info you displayed Unit193, I should be using gnome. Even though I am not using gnome, should I still be able to use the packages?
[02:56] <Unit193> sak: Sure.
[02:57] <Unit193> drkokandy: Fancy that, login or pre-login?
[02:59] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i tested the bluetooth speaker on my idpad and it works fine
[03:00] <sak> Unit193, what does the option "-L" mean
[03:00] <Unit193> sak: Lists files installed with that package, it'll basically show: http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/i386/vino/filelist
[03:02] <drkokandy> hmm... I actually can't access it
[03:04] <Unit193> drkokandy: sudo netstat -lnp | grep vino
[03:04] <Unit193> drkokandy: And that also already answered my question, xdg/autostart means on login, not DM.
[03:05] <drkokandy> Nada. sudo netstat -lnp | grep vino returned nothing
[03:05] <Unit193> Likely wanted you to set a password first, perhaps?
[03:06] <Unit193> vino-passwd ?
[03:06] <drkokandy> I did
[03:06]  * Unit193 has no idea really though, never used vino.
[03:06] <Unit193> Ah, I see.  You could "manually" run it, see if it spits anything out.
[03:09] <newbooter> chelsea were you using pulse audio as output device with the usb speakers?
[03:09] <newbooter> or alsa output?
[03:10] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i tried with both
[03:12] <newbooter> Yeah but with the usb yubbi things that worked for you (headphones?)
[03:12] <newbooter> Was that with pulse or alsa?
[03:14] <Chelsea_Jurgens> pulse audio
[03:14] <drkokandy> sak & Unit193: Yeah, didn't autostart on Lubuntu. that was a big lie. But you can run it on Lubuntu with: /usr/lib/vino/vino-server
[03:15] <drkokandy> and that works
[03:15] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i plug it in, open pulse audio and for each application (firefox, skype, audacious) i have to go in and make sure the usb mic was selected
[03:15] <Chelsea_Jurgens> when i try it now with the bluetooth mic, it does not even recognize it anywhere
[03:19] <newbooter> Strange
[03:19] <Unit193> drkokandy: Desktop file have OnlyShowIn or NotShowIn set?
[03:21] <newbooter> Seems like it is not registering as an audio device in pulse or in alsa
[03:21] <Chelsea_Jurgens> if i pair it via bluetooth, should it recognize it in lsusb?
[03:22] <Chelsea_Jurgens> or dmesg
[03:22] <drkokandy> where would I find that Unit193 ? :)
[03:23] <Unit193> /etc/xdg/autostart/vino-server.desktop
[03:23] <Chelsea_Jurgens> exit
[03:23] <Chelsea_Jurgens> oops
[03:23] <drkokandy> OnlyShowIn=GNOME;Unity; Unit193
[03:23] <Unit193> There you go then.
[03:24] <drkokandy> yup
[03:24] <drkokandy> And Terminal=false - that must be why running just "vino-server" didn't work - I thought that was weird
[03:25] <drkokandy> I knew I installed it
[03:27] <Unit193> No, has nothing to do with that.
[03:27] <drkokandy> oh
[03:39] <ianorlin> onlyShowin means only put in the menu in that environment right
[03:40] <Unit193> ianorlin: Generally, but this is a startup item, so it changes to "only start in"
[03:49] <sak> Thanks, Unit193 and drkokandy. Seems I have some tweaking to do. I will get to you with more questions
[03:50] <Unit193> Oh, make sure to ask drkokandy!  He's the nice one!
[03:50] <drkokandy> I'm also the one who doesn't know all the technical things though - Unit193 knows how all the things work
[08:11] <Kaye1> anyone here?
[08:13] <Kaye1> are any of you seeing my message? sorry first time user
[08:39] <Kaye1> hello mr comet
[08:48] <Mr_Comet> hi
[08:48] <Mr_Comet> :)
[09:05] <Kaye1> can anyone help me please
[15:59] <web-man> i have lubuntu lts should I upgrade to latest version?
[16:01] <testdr> web-man: if its working (no newer hardware specs) there is no reason to do so. - You only can break whats already working and the support for lts will last for years
[16:02] <web-man> thanks
[16:02] <testdr> web-man: if you are interested for the state of development, then you should try to install multiple different versions and select the one you want at boot-time
[16:32] <wxl> web-man: the latest version is stable, but will require more maintainence.
[16:32] <wxl> web-man: the one advantage you'll find with newer versions is the latest package versions.
[16:33] <wxl> web-man: lts is always kept up with the latest security changes but that doesn't mean it has the latest package versions.
[16:33] <web-man> thank you
[16:33] <wxl> web-man: for example, you might have the latest openssl package, but you might not have the latest version of gimp.
[16:33] <wxl> (i realize gimp is not part of lubuntu natively)
[16:34] <wxl> you can get the latest version of packages, but it often takes more effort
[16:34] <wxl> so the question is: do you want to spend more time with maintainence or tracking down the latest package versions
[16:35] <wxl> i should also add that the latest version is guaranteed to have the latest version. that doesn't mean that lts won't have it, but that it may.
[16:35] <wxl> hoep that makes sense
[16:36] <web-man> thanks
[16:37] <wxl> yep
[19:25] <Trickster1> hello all
[19:25] <Trickster1> someone know how can we change the order of the program in the task bar of lubuntu 11.04.1 ?
[19:27] <Mr_Cometz> which order?
[19:28] <Mr_Cometz> maybe right click panel items?
[19:29] <Trickster1> you know when you open some program like in windows or the old genome, we have thoses prog open on the task bar and we just click on it to change programme when we want
[19:30] <Trickster1> But the order of those program is the same than the order we open it, i just ask if we can change that order on the task bar
[19:31] <Trickster1> i used lubuntu 14.04.1 and not lubuntu 11.04 sorry i wrote wrong
[19:33] <holstein> im sure you can.. what is the goal?
[19:33] <Trickster1> just it is easier to use
[19:34] <holstein> well, "easier" will be a matter of opinion
[19:34] <Trickster1> sometimes you open aplication in different oder but for ease of use after we can prefer have a program next to an another one
[19:34] <Mr_Cometz> probably want his fav apps easier to click than to browse top to bottom
[19:34] <holstein> easier could be, the same as before, or predictable. but, you are saying, you have, the windows open in a certain order? and you want them how?
[19:35] <Trickster1> hmm maybe my explication is bad because my english :(
[19:35] <holstein> i always let the task bar group similar tasks.. makes it cleaner for me
[19:35] <holstein> Trickster1: i think you are doing fine with english :)
[19:35] <Mr_Cometz> how does one edit menu options/folders
[19:35] <Mr_Cometz> or re-arrange
[19:36] <Trickster1> i will explain by exemple we have firefox, kvirc and openoffice open on lubuntu and we saw them on the task bar menu
[19:36] <Trickster1> how can we move firefox next to openoffice
[19:37] <Trickster1> i just want to move slide it
[19:37] <Trickster1> and i can't don't know why
[19:38] <Trickster1> drag and drop :x
[19:38] <drkokandy> wow, I'm not sure if this is possible without closing a program and reopening it in the order you'd like it to appear
[19:38] <holstein> Mr_Cometz: depending on what i want, i'll just edit with a GUI tool, if there is one
[19:38] <holstein> Mr_Cometz: http://askubuntu.com/questions/196614/how-do-i-edit-the-menu-in-lubuntu for example.. menulibre
[19:39] <Mr_Cometz> i got 20 tabs open :D
[19:39] <Mr_Cometz> lolz
[19:39] <holstein> Trickster1: i find that allowing the task bar to group tasks cleans that up for me.. there are also other docks and panels and task managers that do things differently
[19:40] <holstein> Trickster1: you may find one of them allows you to "drag and drop". the aim of all the lxde tools is always to be light first..
[19:40] <Mr_Cometz> true.
[19:40] <Trickster1> ok thx i will check it :)
[19:40] <Mr_Cometz> :)
[19:40] <Trickster1> i go diner and will check all that thx
[19:40] <Trickster1> i'll back
[19:42] <drkokandy> Y
[19:42] <drkokandy> whoops
[19:50] <Mr_Cometz> hmmm
[20:06] <sak> Unit193, drkokandy, I installed vino. There was no vino-server in the lubuntu repo. When I installed it, I had tp configure it typing this command in the terminal #vino-preferences
[20:08] <holstein> sak: that should allow you to configure the server
[20:08] <drkokandy> that is where you can configure preferences
[20:08] <drkokandy> but the server is not running until you also run /usr/lib/vino/vino-server
[20:09] <drkokandy> as packaged, vino auto-starts on GNOME or Unity, but not on LXDE
[20:09] <drkokandy> you can run it manually with that command
[20:10] <drkokandy> or add it to the auto-start list
[20:10] <sak> In the preferences window it had the option "automatically configure upnp router to open and forward ports". I believe this was to allow a remote user to connect to the vnc server without a password
[20:10] <holstein> sak: if you have that disabled, it wont work
[20:10] <holstein> sak: test locally.. make sure the machines can ping each other
[20:11] <holstein> sak: that is, as stated, to set up port forwarding on the router.. nothing to do with "connect without a password"..
[20:11] <sak> I am testing it on my local machine, the same way I test an ssh connection
[20:12] <sak> This is what is in the /etc/xdg/autostart
[20:12] <sak> [Desktop Entry]
[20:12] <sak> Name=Desktop Sharing
[20:12] <sak> Comment=GNOME Desktop Sharing Server
[20:12] <sak> Keywords=vnc;share;remote;
[20:12] <sak> NoDisplay=true
[20:14] <holstein> sak: i woudnt bother with anything to autostart
[20:15] <holstein> sak: i would literally configure the server, start it, test that i can ping the machine with the server from the one with the client, and try testing the connection.. and share errors if they dont connect
[20:15] <holstein> if i want to forward them through my router, i would read about how to implement that safely, and not assume the uPNP will do the job
[20:18] <sak> This is what I did, and the error that I got back
[20:19] <sak> xtightvncviewer x.x.x.x:5901
[20:19] <sak> Connected to RFB server, using protocol version 3.7
[20:19] <sak> Server did not offer supported security type
[20:20] <sak> After running /usr/lib/vino/vino-server
[20:20] <sak> , I got this back
[20:20] <sak> ** (vino-server:8514): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-3lXPtqLo8q: Connection refused
[20:20] <sak> (vino-server:8514): EggSMClient-CRITICAL **: egg_sm_client_set_mode: assertion 'global_client == NULL || global_client_mode == EGG_SM_CLIENT_MODE_DISABLED' failed
[20:20] <sak> 17/01/2015 03:13:15 PM WARNING: Width (1366) is not a multiple of 4. VncViewer has problems with that.
[20:20] <sak> 17/01/2015 03:13:17 PM Autoprobing TCP port in (all) network interface
[20:20] <holstein> sak: cool.. so, what security type are you implementing? have you tried disabling it, and testing?
[20:20] <holstein> sak: please stop pasting here..
[20:20] <holstein> !paste | sak
[20:21] <drkokandy> sak - I get a lot returned like that when vino-server correctly starts. Seems like it is working
[20:22] <holstein> i'll set up the server, without authentication, i'll make sure i can ping, and i'll test locally..
[20:31] <sak> Will, I was able to connect the the vino-server. However, I lost connection after the vino server stated: client protocol version 3.7,advertising security type [18], Client x gone
[20:35] <holstein> sak: so, again, what security type are you using? have you tried disabling it? locally?
[20:39] <sak> holstein, all I know is that I am implementing type [18], whatever that means. I don't know where to go to disable that
[20:40] <holstein> sak: sure, so, try implementing *none* and see if that allows you to connect
[20:40] <holstein> doing that locally wont hurt.. if you are behing your routers firewall, anyway
[20:42] <sak> wait, I am using type "TLS" [18]. And, my laptop is connected to a router that provides internet services
[20:43] <holstein> sak: sure, i get that, friend
[20:43] <holstein> sak: what im saying it, while you are *not* forwarding the connection out of the internet, and since its not working for you, and you have a message about auth type, try removing that from the equation
[20:47] <sak> holstein, lets see if I can
[21:25] <teward> wxl: ping
[21:25] <wxl> pong teward
[21:25] <teward> wxl: LXDE upstream tracker not recognized on LP?
[21:25] <teward> (supposedly sourceforge)
[21:25] <wxl> yep
[21:26] <teward> cc: drkokandy
[21:26] <wxl> lp problem
[21:26] <teward> wxl: known issue, or no?
[21:26] <teward> ah
[21:26] <wxl> yeah
[21:26] <wxl> there's a couple reports
[21:26] <wxl> maybe now that colin is moving to lpp full time it will get fixed
[21:26] <teward> so my bug and drkokandy's question are both gonna get dupemarked
[21:26] <wxl> maybe
[21:26] <teward> works for me
[21:26] <wxl> are you helping him, too?
[21:26] <teward> wxl: no... was lurking #launchpad
[21:26] <wxl> ah
[21:26] <teward> he asked for "how to link upstream bug"
[21:27] <teward> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/260846  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1412052  (bug has the IRC logs)
[21:27] <drkokandy> forgot to ask you about it today wxl - by the time I ran into the issue last night, you were away, so I was directed to #launchpad for help
[21:27] <drkokandy> :)
[21:27] <wxl> np
[21:27] <teward> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/260846  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1412052  (bug has the IRC logs)
[21:27] <drkokandy> honestly forgot about it until teward responded on there
[21:27] <teward> grr
[21:27] <teward> stupid system
[21:27] <wxl> i personally filed a bug against it that got duped too :)
[21:28] <teward> wxl: i'm not doing testing right now - busy building my computer forensics VM
[21:28] <teward> wxl: well, that's not unusual - it's fine if it's duped, a search for 'sourceforge' has 400  bugs o.o
[21:28] <wxl> oooh
[21:28]  * teward noms his donuts
[21:28] <teward> i made a fail and impulse bought a half dozen donuts :/
[21:29] <wxl> fyi teward was the one who helped me get approved in bug control
[21:31] <drkokandy> This one maybe - https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1154939 ? I can link it
[21:31] <teward> drkokandy: see #launchpad
[21:31] <wxl> i think that's it
[21:32] <wxl> argh
[21:32]  * wxl kicks and screamws
[21:32] <wxl> stupid moin moin!!!
[21:32]  * teward throws wxl a lollipop
[21:34]  * wxl crunches the lollipop angrily
[21:34]  * teward slides a drink over to wxl
[21:36] <Unit193> Now you're all just getting offtopic.
[22:42] <sak> Well, I was unable to get vino to work, but I did learn a lot about it


[00:06] <Sir_Konrad> Hello.  :D
[00:13] <KB1JWQ> Sir_Konrad: Hmm?
[00:19] <nhandler> !alternate
[00:19] <nhandler> ubottu: !alternate =~ s/  / /
[00:24] <nhandler> Gone
[00:34] <nhandler> Flannel: You set +q 60!*@* (you might want to remove that)
[00:34] <Flannel> nhandler: It'll automatically remove in ten minutes, but yeah, I know.  I'm apparently totally out of it, and getting autobleh backwards
[00:35] <nhandler> Flannel: Is your autobleh up-to-date? If so, /help autobleh
[00:35] <nhandler> Actually, that doesn't tell you the options to pass (I should fix that)
[00:35] <Flannel> nhandler: Oh, I could've easily looked.  I had it one way, second guessed myself, changed it, and got it wrong
[00:49] <IdleOne> Flannel: did you have a talk with Rastahunden?
[00:50] <Flannel> IdleOne: I did
[00:50] <IdleOne> ok
[00:51] <Flannel> We'll see
[00:51] <IdleOne> soon as you go idle he will start up.
[00:51] <IdleOne> but who knows
[00:51] <Flannel> Well, he started up as I was walking out the door, and was still going when I came back.  So we'll see.
[01:00] <IdleOne> So he is banned
[01:04] <RastaHunden> Ideone ???
[01:07] <IdleOne> RastaHunden: yes
[01:07] <RastaHunden> Idleone (idiot) felt that advicing to use the following command would be bad to remove any file starting with anything and has a dot and then a star as such: "cd DIR && rm -f ?.*".  Its how it works.
[01:14] <Flannel> RastaHunden: Call it a hunch, but I don't think the way you're approaching this is going to garner much traction
[01:14] <RastaHunden> I know, but nothing would have :)
[01:14] <RastaHunden> Ive been an IRKEN since 1996
[01:15] <RastaHunden> And loving it :)
[01:15] <nhandler> RastaHunden: Insulting OPs is not a good way to show that your ban should get removed. I would encourage you to read the IRC Guidelines (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines) and the Code of Conduct (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/) and maybe come back in a day or so when you are ready to really discuss this issue in a mature fashion
[01:15] <RastaHunden> ... Next! :)
[01:19] <nhandler> RastaHunden: If you have nothing further to say, please respect our no idleing policy
[01:20] <RastaHunden> Respect Upstream to any channel trying to help their users
[01:20] <RastaHunden> If you please
[01:21] <RastaHunden> Incase you dont then i see no reason for you to be here.
[01:21] <RastaHunden> ACK ?
[01:21] <nhandler> Can you please rephrase that first statement using correct grammar so other people can understand it?
[01:22] <RastaHunden> So i have to explain bash scripting to you now ?
[01:22] <RastaHunden> No thanks, i do that teaching OSS and Linux
[01:23] <nhandler> Uh, I know about bash scripting, but I fail to see how that applies right now
[01:23] <RastaHunden> BSD too for that matter. What do you do ?
[01:24] <RastaHunden> Yes ?
[01:26] <RastaHunden> Ah, i see youre Red in the face.
[01:27] <RastaHunden> Im not sure why you are so angry, but im gonna find out.
[01:28] <RastaHunden> nhandler: How are you feeling sir or mam ?
[01:28] <RastaHunden> :)
[01:30] <RastaHunden> Oh, this monday im releasing a new gadmin tool. Scheduled antivirus scans etc with a click. I love IT! :)
[01:31] <tonyyarusso> RastaHunden: I believe you were asked not to idle, so please state what business you still have or move along now.
[01:31] <RastaHunden> Move along sir
[01:31] <RastaHunden> .
[01:31] <RastaHunden> Nothing to see here.
[01:32] <RastaHunden> Flannel ?
[01:37] <DarthMoore> Tony has an IdleOne Up his arse
[01:37] <DarthMoore> Kiss kiss
[01:44] <IdleOne> So just to make sure is "cd DIR && rm -f ?.*" a dangerous or possibly dangerous command?
[01:45] <IdleOne> hmm ok so maybe my ban was premature
[01:45] <IdleOne> but his comment about gadmin proves he is ArtArfon and ban evading
[01:57] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: I don't think so, but it's trying to be and failing :P
[02:01] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: if it were .?* it would do stuff, but it doesn't appear that having ? in the first position is valid?
[02:01]  * tonyyarusso has no idea why
[02:05] <Sir_Konrad> Hey I'm about to leave. Was RastaHunden taken care of? :\
[02:08] <tonyyarusso> here anyway - I don't know the rest of the story
[02:12] <Sir_Konrad> tonyyarusso: trolling in #ubuntu.
[02:22] <IdleOne> Sir_Konrad: yes
[02:22] <IdleOne> tonyyarusso: thanks
[02:23] <Sir_Konrad> thanks IdleOne. :)
[02:23] <Sir_Konrad> IdleOne: did he get a ban or what?
 should have been removal from this channel
[18:26] <IdleOne> I jumped straight to calling for removal. I knew it was not going anywhere but yes I should of pointed to guidelines
[19:00] <tsimpson> I'm going to let oly562 back in, he says he'll behave
[19:02] <tsimpson> oly562: #ubuntu is for Ubuntu support and support of the packages we ship, for 3rd party products we can't and don't provide support in #ubuntu
[19:02] <tsimpson> do you understand that?
[19:02] <oly562> i understand
[19:03] <tsimpson> please read the following links
[19:03] <oly562> i was asking for links or advice from fellow ubuntu users
[19:03] <tsimpson> !coc
[19:03] <tsimpson> !guidelines
[19:03] <oly562> yep
[19:04] <oly562> thanks
[19:04] <tsimpson> if you want to ask if anyone can help with such 3rd party things, #ubuntu-offtopic would be a more appropriate place to poll the community
[19:05] <oly562> you know, i have asked in there, and they told me to goto #ubuntu, it's not clear to me why that is
[19:05] <oly562> in the past
[19:05] <oly562> so i just goto #ubuntu for help
[19:05] <oly562> there are many times i do not get help but picked on
[19:05] <tsimpson> maybe if you explain it's a non-official/modified version flash
[19:05] <oly562> and if you check those logs you will see exactly what i mean
[19:05] <tsimpson> other than that, there are forums, general linux and ubuntu specific
[19:06] <tsimpson> I'll look into my -offtopic later and check on that
[19:07] <oly562> ya know, im not a pro with flash code, nor really want to know, i simply wanted to know originally if someone had seen a few links or something to point me there, but i didn't get any respect. that is my beef... i must say this is more of a personal ban, i mean who bans someone for asking for links or states their opinion? i dont get it
[19:07] <oly562> referring to offtopic, that would have been months ago...
[19:07] <oly562> i rarely go there anymore
[19:07] <IdleOne> when the questions or opinions are off topic and you have been asked several times to stop. we do ban.
[19:08] <oly562> i think flash is a topic for ubuntu and linux users who wish to use it
[19:08] <tsimpson> #ubuntu is _purely_ for support, no other chatter is allowed (you know how busy #ubuntu is)
[19:08] <oly562> true
[19:08] <IdleOne> the flash package provided in the Ubuntu repos are
[19:08] <IdleOne> your modified version is not
[19:09] <oly562> understood, but you do see what i was asking for, right?
[19:09] <IdleOne> you were asking for help on a non supported package
[19:09] <oly562> advice or links in passing someone may have seen... thats all. there is always a discovery that users should know about in ubuntu or linux rooms.
[19:10] <oly562> but i see your strict point
[19:10] <tsimpson> that is definitely more for -offtopic
[19:10] <oly562> well if you look at your logs, there is plenty of "off topic chatter"
[19:10] <oly562> however, i was picked on
[19:10] <oly562> make sense?
[19:10] <IdleOne> no
[19:10] <IdleOne> you were contributing to the off topic chatter
[19:10] <oly562> IdleOne: i do not wish to talk to you at this point
[19:10] <tsimpson> well, we can't watch 100% of the chat all the time
[19:10] <oly562> your biased
[19:11] <tsimpson> I can't say if you were singled-out, I wan't there
[19:11] <oly562> oh i was
[19:11] <oly562> by ikonia
[19:11] <oly562> he has done this before
[19:11] <IdleOne> so how does that make me biased?
[19:11] <oly562> anyway
[19:11] <oly562> may i have access to the room, so i can get support again tsimpson
[19:11] <tsimpson> if you have read both the links ubottu posted, and agree to stick to the rules, I'll remove the ban
[19:12] <IdleOne> imo that is a mistake. his comments to me in PM and also in ##linux show a complete lack of respect for our community guidelines.
[19:12] <oly562> i do not like you IdleOne, do not talk to me
[19:13] <tsimpson> IdleOne: I also received some interesting PMs
[19:13] <IdleOne> I wasn't
[19:13] <oly562> i only talk to the top brass
[19:13] <IdleOne> I also think his attitude in here now shows he still has no intent on follwing the rules
[19:13] <oly562> i think your opinion doesnt matter to me as you are obviously biased
[19:13] <IdleOne> decision is yours tsimpson
[19:14] <oly562> i have never spoke to you before either
[19:14] <tsimpson> oly562: remember, you have now publicly agreed to the rules. if you break the rules again you will be less likely to get a warning and more likely to be removed/banned instantly
[19:14] <oly562> tsimpson i understand, and i will log my chats in #ubuntu from now on as well
[19:15] <tsimpson> they are already logged
[19:15] <oly562> i didnt think i needed to do that anymore, but it appears i will have too
[19:15] <tsimpson> !logs
[19:15] <oly562> thanks
[19:15] <oly562> for the link
[19:15] <oly562> not as easy for me to track that, i will just log it locally
[19:15] <oly562> i dont have cmdline access to grep things
[19:16] <tsimpson> you can join #ubuntu now, remember it's only for official packages support
[19:17] <oly562> so your saying any program in applications > ubuntu software center > search >> some prog that states "Canonical does not provide updates for Searchmonkey. Some updates may be provided by the Ubuntu community." will not be available for help?
[19:17] <oly562> how do i know what is or is not....
[19:18] <tsimpson> anything available in the official ubuntu repositories
[19:18] <oly562> usually that is why i would be in #ubuntu as i could not get a prog to work
[19:18] <Pici> Everything within the software center is supported as long as that release is still within its lifecycle.
[19:18] <tsimpson> "Canonical" there refers to commercial support
[19:18] <oly562> ic
[19:18] <oly562> hello Pici
[19:19] <oly562> example virtualbox ose, is that support in #ubuntu? just so i am clear
[19:20] <oly562> so anything that shows up in the Ubuntu Software Center i can expect to receive support from the community, i.e., #ubuntu irc room
[19:20] <oly562> correct?
[19:20] <tsimpson> unless you add 3rd party sources which provide other packages, yes
[19:20] <oly562> ic
[19:21] <oly562> yes i have changed my sources.list
[19:21] <Pici> Within reason.  Sometimes there are better places to get support.  We may refer you to #vbox for virtual box questions if they are out of our league.
[19:21] <oly562> and added more packages sources
[19:21] <oly562> Pici: ic
[19:22] <oly562> its funny, sometimes i get bounced back and forth between vbox and perl and whatever back to #ubuntu whom then state, go back to those rooms,,, this is the frustrating part, imagine im a new ubuntu user, they will not be too happy and will most likely switch back to windows, this is a huge concern for me as a linux promoter
[19:22] <oly562> new users will get very upset and just reload windows, do we really want that?
[19:23] <oly562> anyway, just pointing out my position on this whole matter...
[19:24] <oly562> thanks for the add, i will return to normal ops and if i need help for whats in sotfware channel, i will log my chats, and hopefully i will not be forwarded here when trying to log into #ubuntu. that was odd, never had that happen before. that must be something new. thanks agian, have a nice day
[19:25] <Pici> I'm not sure what he means in the first part of that.
[19:26] <IdleOne> he means he's a jerk who plans on being a jerk
[19:26] <IdleOne> with all his jerkyness
[19:27] <IdleOne> and back to his flash issue...
[21:11] <ikonia> I can't believe you've let him back in with that attitude and history
[21:12] <ikonia> oly256 is now banned again
[21:12] <ikonia> as soon as you let him back in he was asking for support for his modified flash package
[21:16] <Pici> ikonia: What makes you think that/
[21:16] <Pici> ?
[21:17] <ikonia> asking the same questions about his customised flash package that got him banned before
[21:17] <Pici> I don't see anything that would lead me to believe  that he was running a modified flash package.
[21:18] <Pici> Or am I missing something?
[21:18] <ikonia> the 64bit flash package he is using won't play the hula videos - because as he told me before he was banned last time it was modified by him
[21:18] <ikonia> it's of course nonsense as you can't recompile closed source stuff, that was his claim though
[21:19] <Pici> ikonia: But where NOW does it say that he is running a modified version of flash?
[21:20] <ikonia> well lets see, a.) he's a troll b.) he's explained in details why the modified flash package won't work for 1 specific site c.) he's stated he's still can't get it working with the same site, suggesting he's still trying to make his special flash plugin to work (despite it being nosense) d.) the fact that he started asking the same question he was banned for the exact second you let him back in and his attitude suggests it
[23:22] <bazhang> ugh. people still recommending manually changing sources.list to upgrade