[00:02] <Lam3r_co> well, fffffuuuuuuu is all I can say, this cpu does not have padlock :(
[00:09] <Sachse_Siechtum> How can I change floppy mount only for root?
[01:26] <`mOOse`> guys - is there any relief from the crap fonts that I have to endure when I use firefox?
[01:26] <`mOOse`> is there truetype-equivalent-font-set someplace?
[02:01] <robertzaccour> i'm on an iMac and i can't figure out how to boot xubuntu i have on a usb flash to install
[02:01] <robertzaccour> can anyone help please?
[02:05] <robertzaccour> anyone?
[02:06] <robertzaccour> does anyone know how to install xubuntu on an imac with a usb flash drive? i already have it on the usb
[02:07] <`mOOse`> since I have zero experience with macs I don't think it's in your best interest that I help you - if someone DOES have the experience I'm sure they'd chime in
[02:44] <robertzaccour> i'm tryin to install xubuntu on my imac and i need help
[02:45] <robertzaccour> all i have is a usb flash drive with xubuntu no discs
[02:45] <robertzaccour> and i don't know how to boot it
[02:45] <robertzaccour> i tried holding the option key and it just brings up the HD icon and that just boots the mac desktop
[02:45] <robertzaccour> can anyone help?
[02:47] <robertzaccour> anyone here?
[02:49] <robertzaccour> this sucks
[02:49] <`mOOse`> everybody's here
[02:50] <`mOOse`> have you done any research? say...google?
[02:50] <robertzaccour> lots
[02:50] <`mOOse`> and what has your research told you?
[02:50] <robertzaccour> i tried holding option key and c and the apple logo key
[02:50] <robertzaccour> all option does is bring up HD icon and it just boots to the desktop
[02:50] <robertzaccour> the other keys did nothing
[02:51] <`mOOse`> that's a lot of research, yep
[02:51] <`mOOse`> how about google?
[02:51] <robertzaccour> for hours
[02:52] <`mOOse`> so do you think there's the slightest chance that maybe people don't install ubuntu on imacs for a reason?
[02:52] <robertzaccour> i dunno
[02:52] <robertzaccour> i decided i prefer xubuntu thats all
[02:52] <`mOOse`> that the architecture is not compatible to the code?
[02:53] <`mOOse`> that's fine but
[02:53] <robertzaccour> it supposedly is
[02:53] <`mOOse`> who supposed that/
[02:53] <pleia2> robertzaccour: might want to post your question to ubuntuforums
[02:53]  * pleia2 doesn't have any experience with xubuntu on macs either
[02:54] <`mOOse`> I mean if it's doable then you know there's a howto out there someplace
[02:54] <`mOOse`> and if you googled it like you said you did then you'd have some notion of how to go about installing it
[02:54] <robertzaccour> mac doesn't operate my sub flash drive properly
[02:55] <`mOOse`> well there's your first problem
[02:55] <robertzaccour> i read hold down the option key, all that does is bring up the HD icon which boots the desktop
[02:55] <robertzaccour> not a problem
[02:55] <`mOOse`> why not download the iso and burn it to a cd and install it that way? assuming it's possible to install at all
[02:55] <robertzaccour> i'm tryin to boot from the flash drive
[02:55] <robertzaccour> what key do i hold to boot from the flash drive?
[02:55] <`mOOse`> yes, ad nauseum - we know that
[02:55] <robertzaccour> i don't have a cd
[02:55] <`mOOse`> no idea - I don't have an imac!
[02:56] <`mOOse`> is this a power pc?
[02:56] <`mOOse`> or intel? how old is it?
[02:57] <robertzaccour> intel
[02:57] <robertzaccour> 3 years i think
[02:58] <`mOOse`> well once again, being at a crippling disadvantage I googled and got  137,000 hits on "boot flash drive imac key"...
[02:59] <`mOOse`> and again not having a clue WHAT model you ACTUALLY have because you haven't told us, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28326 tells me that you can't install from a usb port
[02:59] <`mOOse`> but then again - who knows?
[02:59] <robertzaccour> that article is 2005
[02:59] <robertzaccour> irrelevent
[03:01] <`mOOse`> welp - how bout you finding the relevant article then?
[03:01] <robertzaccour> i've been looking for hours. scroll up
[03:01] <`mOOse`> yes I can read quite well thanks
[03:02] <robertzaccour> cool
[03:02] <`mOOse`> again - without knowing what model you have it's pretty difficult to help you
[03:02] <robertzaccour> Model Name:	iMac
[03:02] <robertzaccour>   Model Identifier:	iMac5,2
[03:03] <`mOOse`> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/stats/imac-core-2-duo-1.83-17-inch-specs.html
[03:03] <`mOOse`> would that be it?
[03:04] <`mOOse`> listen - gotta run - good luck
[03:04] <robertzaccour> yes thats it
[03:26] <aybabtu> Post your screenshots here!!!  http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/196461101#196465296
[04:17] <st4rscr34m> hey all, can anyone tell me how I can turn off the icons in front of "Applications" and "Places"
[04:20] <st4rscr34m> Anyone?
[04:37] <aybabtu> Guys, I hit prnt scrn button and nothing happens. I can use compiz screenshot but I dont like dragging. Anyone help me out?
[04:39] <robertzaccour> i booted xubuntu karmic on my intel imac and got to the boot screen and it wouldn't go past the black screen after the white mouse in the middle
[04:40] <robertzaccour> is this a known issue?
[04:40] <robertzaccour> should i try ubuntu instead of xubuntu?
[04:42] <syn-ack> robertzaccour: it's a known issue.
[04:43] <syn-ack> It was a bug in xserver-xorg-intel for me
[04:43] <robertzaccour> is there any xubuntu/ubuntu version that will work? daily build maybe?
[04:43] <robertzaccour> or should i just give up?
[04:44] <syn-ack> Well, Mine is working now... have you updated to the latest packages?
[04:44] <syn-ack> robertzaccour: actually do this
[04:44] <robertzaccour> do what?
[04:44] <syn-ack> ALT, CTRL F1 and log into your console, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:45] <syn-ack> Then reboot
[04:45] <robertzaccour> i'm in mac now, xubuntu won't boot to the desktop
[04:45] <syn-ack> right
[04:45] <robertzaccour> it shows the white mouse in the center of the screen then goes black and doesn't go to the desktop
[04:45] <syn-ack> Go to your virtual terminal
[04:46] <syn-ack> you don't need x for that
[04:46] <robertzaccour> how do i go to virtual terminal?
[04:46] <syn-ack> youre in a mac... apple ctrl f1
[04:46] <robertzaccour> i'm not using virtualbox
[04:46] <syn-ack> ugh
[04:47] <syn-ack> dude did I say anything about virtualbox?
[04:47] <syn-ack> Do what I told you please
[04:47] <syn-ack> press apple ctrl and f1
[04:47] <robertzaccour> its not opening anything
[04:47] <syn-ack> do you have an alt key?
[04:48] <robertzaccour> yes its alt and option
[04:48] <syn-ack> ok so alt opt and f1 then
[04:48] <robertzaccour> still nothing
[04:48] <robertzaccour> running snowleopard
[04:48] <syn-ack> then boot to ubuntu
[04:48] <syn-ack> ugh
[04:49] <robertzaccour> so i should try ubuntu instead of xubuntu?
[04:49] <syn-ack> you need to boot ubuntu, then do that key combo, login and upgrade your system
[04:49] <syn-ack> no
[04:49] <syn-ack> just do what I ask, please
[04:49] <robertzaccour> on the black screen?
[04:50] <syn-ack> yes
[04:50] <robertzaccour> ok brb thanks
[04:50] <syn-ack> when you press that key combo, you'll be greeted with a text login, log in then do what I asked you to
[04:58] <robertzaccour> i'm back
[04:58] <robertzaccour> screen stayed black
[04:59] <robertzaccour> still having problems booting into xubuntu
[05:00] <syn-ack> did you get to VT1?
[05:01] <robertzaccour> no i got to the black screen past the white mouse
[05:01] <syn-ack> did it have any writing on it?
[05:01] <robertzaccour> there was right before the white mouse but just for a couple seconds, that was before i pressed anything
[05:02] <syn-ack> and did you do the ctrl alt F1 combo?
[05:04] <robertzaccour> yes i did
[05:04] <robertzaccour> nothing changed
[05:04] <syn-ack> It should have.
[05:04] <syn-ack> I mean, it works for me then and now just fine
[05:05] <robertzaccour> maybe i should try alternate iso
[05:05] <syn-ack> robertzaccour: it's got nothing to do with your iso
[05:05] <caimlas> robertzaccour, hi, it looks like you're trying to use Linux. Would you like help?
[05:05] <robertzaccour> yes please
[05:05] <syn-ack> it would have done it on Ubuntu as well
[05:05] <syn-ack> listen
[05:05] <robertzaccour> ok
[05:05] <syn-ack> robertzaccour: do you have another system from which you can log into here
[05:05] <syn-ack> ?
[05:06] <caimlas> robertzaccour, do what syn-ack said, then read/do this if it doesn't fix it: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-how-to-reconfigure-x-windows-system-xorg-server/
[05:06] <bazhang> this is on a mac though, correct?
[05:06] <caimlas> if that doesn't work, maybe go back to OSX and stay there.
[05:06] <robertzaccour> yes on an imac right now
[05:06] <syn-ack> bazhang: yeah, but it shouldnt matter since the key combo is the same
[05:06] <syn-ack> correct?
[05:07] <caimlas> robertzaccour, we gathered that.
[05:07] <bazhang> intel imac right?
[05:07] <robertzaccour> yes
[05:07] <bazhang> sorry to be late to the proceedings, so missed some details
[05:08] <syn-ack> bazhang: he's been hit by the intel xserver bug that was just fixed
[05:08] <robertzaccour> i try to boot the live cd and it doesn't go past the black screen right after the the white mouse after selecting boot live/install
[05:08] <bazhang> syn-ack, ouch
[05:08] <robertzaccour> it was fixed?
[05:08] <syn-ack> I've been trying to get him to log into the console to log in and and update his system
[05:08] <syn-ack> yes, it was. Today
[05:08] <caimlas> syn-ack, that was -just- fixed? god, that problem was bothering me a year ago :-o
[05:08] <robertzaccour> i need to update mac?
[05:08] <bazhang> ah right, sorry to interrupt syn-ack
[05:09] <caimlas> if it's the same bug
[05:09] <bazhang> have to get lunch anyway :)
[05:09] <syn-ack> robertzaccour: you need to update the software, not the hardware
[05:09] <syn-ack> caimlas: it was a new one. :/
[05:09] <caimlas> robertzaccour, think of it as a "driver issue"
[05:09] <caimlas> syn-ack, hmm.
[05:09] <robertzaccour> how do i fix it?
[05:09] <syn-ack> robertzaccour: you need to log into the console and update your system
[05:10] <caimlas> syn-ack, doesn't Ubuntu lock people out of going to VTs by default now?
[05:10] <syn-ack> no
[05:10] <caimlas> ctl-alt-bk is, at least
[05:10] <caimlas> or was in 9.04
[05:10] <robertzaccour> whats VTs?
[05:10] <syn-ack> they lock zapping by default
[05:10] <robertzaccour> maybe i should use the daily build
[05:10] <syn-ack> NO
[05:10] <robertzaccour> ok
[05:10] <caimlas> robertzaccour, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console
[05:10] <syn-ack> it's a simple fix if you'd just relax.
[05:11] <syn-ack> robertzaccour: so, do you have another system from which you can log into here while working on that mac?
[05:11] <caimlas> robertzaccour, Ctl-Apple-F1 or some similar key combination to get to a VT
[05:11] <robertzaccour> no i don't
[05:11] <robertzaccour> actually the ps3
[05:11] <robertzaccour> it has a web browser
[05:11] <robertzaccour> but no irc
[05:11] <syn-ack> ok, so reboot to ubuntu and do what caimlas just said
[05:11] <robertzaccour> so i guess i don't
[05:12] <syn-ack> you will be greeted with a text login
[05:12] <syn-ack> enter the username
[05:12] <syn-ack> enter the pass
[05:12] <syn-ack> sudo apt-get update
[05:12] <caimlas> robertzaccour, might be Ctl-Apple-F1 might be Apple-Ctl-F1 might be some other key combo.
[05:12] <caimlas> WRITE IT DOWN
[05:12] <robertzaccour> i have never installed ubuntu on this system yet
[05:12] <syn-ack> wait
[05:12] <syn-ack> what
[05:12] <caimlas> ...
[05:12] <robertzaccour> i'm tryin to install it
[05:12] <syn-ack> so you're not dual booting?
[05:12] <syn-ack> ugh
[05:12] <robertzaccour> i've only got mac on it
[05:13] <robertzaccour> tryin to install xubuntu
[05:13] <syn-ack> Ok so get the daily then
[05:13] <robertzaccour> it should work fine?
[05:13] <syn-ack> that issue is Casper related, not xserver x org related
[05:13] <syn-ack> it should if they solved the casper issue
[05:13] <robertzaccour> xubuntu or ubuntu daily?
[05:14] <syn-ack> well what are you looking to run?
[05:14] <robertzaccour> xubuntu
[05:14] <syn-ack> then grab that daily
[05:14] <robertzaccour> but i'm not sure which is more intel mac friendly gnome or xfce
[05:14] <syn-ack> define "mac friendly"\
[05:15] <robertzaccour> hardware friendly sorry
[05:15] <robertzaccour> less bugs on this hardware
[05:15] <caimlas> syn-ack, I think I know how to fix it
[05:15] <caimlas> robertzaccour, are you on OSX right now?
[05:16] <syn-ack> don't. :P
[05:16] <syn-ack> no larts for you, caimlas! :P
[05:16] <caimlas> don't what? I'm trying to help.
[05:16] <syn-ack> I thought you were going to tell him to stay there. :P
[05:16] <robertzaccour> yes i am
[05:16] <robertzaccour> downloaded daily right now
[05:16] <syn-ack> robertzaccour: just grab the xubuntu daily
[05:16] <syn-ack> then try try again
[05:16] <robertzaccour> 9 minutes left
[05:17] <robertzaccour> then burn then try again
[05:18] <robertzaccour> i'm watchin manswers while its downloading
[05:20] <robertzaccour> thanks for the help yall
[05:20] <robertzaccour> so, what to talk about while waiting
[05:26] <robertzaccour> 1 minute then burn
[05:30] <robertzaccour> burning
[05:30] <robertzaccour> yall still there?
[05:31] <caimlas> no
[05:32] <robertzaccour> haha right
[05:33] <robertzaccour> i can skip verifying right?
[05:34] <syn-ack> I would verify just to be on the safe side, but you can, sure
[05:34] <robertzaccour> its a cd-r so i can't use it again anyway
[05:34] <robertzaccour> time to try again brb thanks
[05:44] <ubuntu_> i'm back
[05:44] <ubuntu_> i'm the guy that couldn't get xubuntu goin on the imac, its runnin now yeehaw
[05:44] <ubuntu_> thanks yall
[05:45] <ubuntu_> this kicks mac's ass, i fell for the mac looks and soon realized its shitty
[05:46] <syn-ack> congrats and please watch the language
[05:46] <ubuntu_> oh sorry about that
[05:46] <syn-ack> but yea, I have the same hardware you do for a LOT less than you paid. :D
[05:46] <ubuntu_> figured kids are away and didn't think
[05:46] <ubuntu_> really?
[05:47] <ubuntu_> i paid 725
[05:47] <ubuntu_> it performs a lot better than mac thats for sure
[05:47] <ubuntu_> till recently i was using a netbook
[05:48] <syn-ack> I paid a little less than that for this machine
[05:48] <ubuntu_> oh cool
[05:48] <syn-ack> anyway, if you want to be of please go to #xubuntu-offtopic and I will gladly talk to you there
[05:48] <ubuntu_> and i thought i got a good deal haha
[05:48] <ubuntu_> super
[05:49] <caimlas> I paid a little more than $725
[05:49] <caimlas> but I also got a lot more machine, I suspect.
[05:49] <syn-ack> heh
[05:49] <caimlas> it will last me 3 more years w/o upgrade, I suspect.
[06:05] <st4rscr34m> where are the icons for panels and such installed? I want to overwrite them
[06:06] <Sysi> if you want to get new icons put them to ~/.icons
[06:07] <Sysi> ~ means your home folder
[06:07] <st4rscr34m> I'm trying to overwrite a specific icon, since it isn't allowing me to change it.
[06:07] <st4rscr34m> It is "Places"
[06:08] <Sysi> /usr/share/icons and select right icon set
[06:11] <st4rscr34m> ah okay thank you
[06:11] <st4rscr34m> also, do you know any guides for customizing the DE?
[06:11] <Sysi> ahem, DE?
[06:12] <st4rscr34m> desktop enviorment
[06:13] <st4rscr34m> also, the icon wasn't in their
[06:14] <st4rscr34m> there*
[06:14] <st4rscr34m> though it was a very similar series of icons
[06:14] <Sysi> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes
[06:15] <Sysi> and if you want transparency, Settings → window manager tweaks
[06:36] <st4rscr34m> thank you :)
[06:38] <st4rscr34m> what is terminal actually called?
[06:38] <st4rscr34m> I'm trying to make a launcher
[06:40] <st4rscr34m> alright, I found it sorry
[07:00] <anom01y> xubuntu related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmUKVrT0iI
[07:16] <morphles> when moving windows their movement in y dirrection is limmited(you cant move window above upper screen border) how do i dissable this limitation? (btw i think its _very_ stupid to have it in a first place
[07:21] <Sysi> i'm able to do that
[07:22] <morphles> hm i checked that again it seems to work just hass some resistance
[07:25] <morphles> so sorry then, probably false alarm :)
[07:25] <morphles> still ill have to test it again on citrix virtual install
[07:25] <Sysi> np :)
[07:32] <alt_> can somebody help how can i change the hostname on my xubuntu live usb plzz ??
[07:32] <Sysi> what do you mean exactly?
[07:33] <alt_> instead of ubuntu@ubuntu
[07:34] <morphles> vim /etc/hostname
[07:34] <morphles> ;)
[07:34] <morphles> then you might need to restart some service, probably network
[07:34] <morphles> gunn
[07:34] <morphles> dunno* about witch one though
[07:34] <alt_> ok no problem thnx :D
[07:34] <morphles> btw why you need that on livecd?
[07:35] <morphles> :)
[07:35] <alt_> in live usb....
[07:35] <morphles> o
[07:35] <morphles> missed taht :
[07:37] <Balsaq> ahhhhh, home at last, in the peaceful binary rainforest known as............xubuntu (zoo boon too).
[07:43] <alt_> im sorry can i have once more that command :S ???
[08:36] <morphles> vim /etc/hostname
[08:36] <morphles> simply said
[08:36] <morphles> edit /etc/hostname file
[08:36] <l4ng1t> anyone know about qmail?
[08:36] <l4ng1t> i already setup but can't use smtp
[08:50] <knome> l4ng1t, you always need to auth w/ gmail, even smtp
[08:51] <l4ng1t> oh..
[08:51] <l4ng1t> knome, even i use it for everybody who connected at my network?
[08:52] <knome> gmait smtp is *not* public
[08:53] <knome> it's meant to be used by single users with their own auth info
[08:53] <knome> you should ask your isp for public/general smtp access
[10:31] <likemindead> My speakers make a crackling noise when I'm using WiFi, kind of like when your mobile phone is near a speaker and it makes distortion noise. Know what I mean? Any ideas?
[10:32] <likemindead> It wasn't an issue before Karmic. :-\
[10:32] <eXpl0i7> move the phone on some other place :D
[10:34] <likemindead> No, it's not the phone, it's my laptop doing it on its own.
[10:35] <likemindead> I found some posts online saying that they stopped their speakers from crackling by commenting out the last line of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf but it didn't work for me.
[12:45] <Soul_Shadow> hello ppl'z
[12:46] <Soul_Shadow> I have broadwave installed lame encoder & lame acm encoder installed for it & now its acting like its mising mp3el again & will not even run... any suggestions?
[12:47] <Soul_Shadow> it was working untill I restarted
[12:49] <Soul_Shadow> is anyone home??
[13:00] <Soul_Shadow> hello niko. welcome to the lonly Xubuntu chan
[13:18]  * Soul_Shadow pokes everyone in channel
[13:22] <blip-> hi, how do I install gdm themes under ubuntu ?    the net talks about using some sort of gui, but I don't seem to have this on my 9.10 xubuntu system
[13:23] <Soul_Shadow> dunno im only one activw in htis damn chan :(
[13:23] <Soul_Shadow> active*
[13:24] <blip-> haha
[13:25] <Soul_Shadow> I need help with broadwave for linux :(
[13:25] <blip-> you;'ve only got 57 that's why
[13:25] <Soul_Shadow> what?
[13:25] <blip-> i have no idea what broadwave is, sorry.   but in general the proper approach is to just ask the questions... and wait
[13:25] <Soul_Shadow>  I have broadwave installed lame encoder & lame acm encoder installed for it & now its acting like its mising mp3el again & will not even run... any suggestions?
[13:26] <blip-> in some channels, I ask the question and leave my computer.  few hours later I get a useful answer
[13:26] <Soul_Shadow> sigh... Time I little of :(
[13:26] <Soul_Shadow> trying to set up a linux internet radio server
[13:29] <blip-> Soul_Shadow: ask in #ubuntu also.   this isn't xubuntu specific
[13:31] <Soul_Shadow> #/join #ubuntu
[13:37] <WierdAAR> Hello everybody, I just installed Xubuntu and I am wondering what manager to use to connect to my Creative Zen? I used Gnomad2 on kubuntu, but maybe there is a app more native to Xubuntu?
[13:50] <Soul_Shadow> G/L nobody active except me
[13:56] <Soul_Shadow> ....
[13:56] <Soul_Shadow>  I have broadwave installed lame encoder & lame acm encoder installed for it & now its acting like its mising mp3el again & will not even run... any suggestions?
[13:56] <Soul_Shadow> it worked first time I installed it
[14:00] <Lusule> hi guys, i'm having a problem with my new xubuntu install, it works fine when i first load it, then i update, and later it decides it's not going to let me log in - it sends me to the log inscreen (even though I told it not to) and hten when i log in, looks like it's going to work, but hcanges its mind and sends me back to login in an endless loop
[14:09] <TheSheep> Lusule: make sure you select session at login
[14:09] <Lusule> TheSheep: I have
[14:10] <TheSheep> there might be two with the same name, try both
[14:10] <Lusule> i have
[14:10] <TheSheep> there was a bug...
[14:12] <Lusule> there are two xfce sessions and they both boot me back to gdm
[14:23] <Psilocybin_Elf> Hi guys, I got a kernal update on Xubuntu 8.10 the other day, does anyone know which version it was? I can't remember...
[14:23] <Psilocybin_Elf> Or is there a command to get the kernal version listed?
[14:23] <bittin`> uname -m
[14:24] <Psilocybin_Elf> Cheers :-)
[14:24] <Sysi> i use -a usually
[14:24] <bittin`> or uname -s i mean :<
[14:24] <Psilocybin_Elf> Oh yeah, thanx :-)
[14:24] <bittin`> or -a :)
[14:24] <bittin`> iam in other minds at the moment :D
[14:26] <Psilocybin_Elf> Hehehe
[14:27] <Lusule> okay, i did sudo stop gdm, then startx, and that loads it up fine
[14:28] <Lusule> so it looks like the problem is with gdm
[14:29] <TheSheep> yeah
[14:33] <Lusule> right so it's definitely a gdm problem, maybe i should just uninstall gdm, i don't need it, this is the only login i'll ever use
[14:39] <TheSheep> Lusule: be aware that gdm does quite some additional work in xubuntu, setting up ICE auth and some ssh-agents and such
[14:39] <TheSheep> Lusule: I never manager to get 100% functional desktop without gdm
[14:39] <TheSheep> managed*
[14:39] <Lusule> i don't seem to have a 100% functional desktop with it ><
[14:40] <Lusule> i have to kill it before i can log in
[15:14] <Lusule> this install is not going well for me >< also have no sound, on a toshiba laptop
[15:15] <Sysi> karmic? have you checked that everything is unmuted
[15:15] <Lusule> where do i find those settings?
[15:16] <Sysi> click icon in panel
[15:16] <Lusule> GStreamer was unable to detect any sound devices.  Some sound system specific GStreamer packages may be missing.  It may also be a permissions problem.
[15:16] <Sysi> i think there's two places now, different for gnome-volume-manager and xfce-*
[16:42] <taloha> hello all i have a problem, how to disable shade/unshade titlebar in xfce ?
[16:43] <Sysi> you mean hiding? right click and configure panel
[16:44] <taloha> not panel
[16:44] <taloha> but titlebar
[16:45] <Sysi> hum, you can at least take that button of from window manager settings
[16:46] <Sysi> (sorry when bad english)
[16:47] <taloha> np my english is bad too :)
[16:48] <taloha> but nothing option to disable shade/unshade in window manager settings
[16:48] <Sysi> i'm not sure if it's possible
[16:56] <WierdAAR> Hello, I just saw the following when install Battle for Wesnoth. "The following packages were installed and are no longer needed "20-30 names". Type sudo apt-get autoremove to remove them". What should I make of this?
[17:10] <TheSheep> WierdAAR: what is unclear about that message?
[17:39] <Lusule> hi there, i've managed to completely stuff up my install trying to get some issues working.  Now I can't even startx, I only have console.  I want to create a live-usb-pen to try ubuntu and see if that works any better, is there a way to do so from within console or do i need to reinstall xubuntu first?
[17:41] <TheSheep> you can use w3m to browse
[17:41] <TheSheep> find some howto
[17:41] <Lusule> i'm using my iphone
[17:41] <Lusule> doesn't look like there is :(
[17:42] <TheSheep> sure there is, that's how you did it before they made that fancy gui
[17:42] <TheSheep> it's just... complicated
[17:42] <Lusule> yeah, i think it's easier just to reinstall and create it from there
[17:42] <Lusule> bearing in mind i can't get a basic out of the box laptop setup to work
[17:43] <Lusule> i'm going to avoid fancy stuff for now
[17:43] <Lusule> if i didn't hate windows so much i'd give up at this point
[17:52] <slow-motion> hi
[18:11] <rlameiro> hi there
[18:11] <rlameiro> has anyone here made a net install with a minimal cd?
[18:11] <rlameiro> I made an mirror with apt-mirror
[18:11] <rlameiro> but the installer cant find the release file
[18:12] <rlameiro> my apache server is running
[18:12] <rlameiro> I can acess it via network from others computer
[18:17] <Sachse_Siechtum> How can I make a makro or something so I can start several programs instead clicking on every single one in the start menu?
[18:19] <rlameiro> Sachse_Siechtum, you can make a script in bash that opens the programs you want
[18:19] <rlameiro> I cant program bash
[18:19] <Sachse_Siechtum> is there a how-to somewhere?
[18:19] <rlameiro> but i am sure it is easy to do, read around the net
[18:19] <Sachse_Siechtum> I'm not familiar in programming in linux
[18:19] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[18:19] <rlameiro> bash is easy
[18:20] <rlameiro> but you need to learn
[18:20] <rlameiro> maybe ask someone in programming
[18:20] <Sachse_Siechtum> I used to pogram in turbo pascal but that was 10 years ago *g*
[18:20] <rlameiro> or search linux bash progrqamming
[18:21] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[18:21] <bazhang> nothing like startup applications in preferences?
[18:21] <rlameiro> Sachse_Siechtum, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html
[18:22] <rlameiro> yea, you can also add the software to the startup
[18:22] <Sachse_Siechtum> bazhang I thought about that too...
[18:22] <rlameiro> but it will always open the apps when you login
[18:22] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah
[18:23] <bazhang> applications>settings>settings manager ?
[18:23] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh another thing...how can I change rights on my floppy drive? right now I cant mount it, only root can..
[18:23] <bazhang> seems a whole lot easier than learning bash
[18:23] <Sachse_Siechtum> baz yeah
[18:26] <rlameiro> you wanted a makro... not to open it always... i only said bash because is builtin in all ubuntu
[18:26] <rlameiro> it could be in python or whatever
[18:27] <rlameiro> Sachse_Siechtum, about the floppy look at the user and groups... maybe there is a group for the floppy, if so you need to add yourself to the group
[18:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok. :-)
[18:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> I found a group "floppy" and checked my name on it.
[18:36] <rlameiro> Sachse_Siechtum, does it work now?
[18:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> just a moment...
[18:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> No. :-( still says "only root can mount...."
[19:31] <genii> When you change groups in the gui you need a logout-login cycle to make it effective
[19:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok Thanks.
[22:19] <slow-motion> n8


[01:04] <nhaines> https://ubuntu.com/blog/a-new-look-for-the-circle-of-friends
[14:43] <pleia2> time to update the bear logo again? :)


[06:46] <flocculant> bluesabre: what do we want to to about reporting gtk3 xfce setting issues?
[07:04] <ochosi> flocculant: imo those should be reported on bugs.xfce.org as this work has been merged already to the master branch
[07:04] <ochosi> plus it has been released as 4.13.0
[07:04] <ochosi> so if bluesabre was a good boy, he added the version already to buzgilla
[07:04] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - not bother reporting to lp?
[07:04] <ochosi> imo one tracker is enough
[07:05] <flocculant> ok - I'll go with that for the moment and wait for you and bluesabre to either have the same pov or discuss it :p
[07:06] <flocculant> ochosi: one of the things I found is mouse scrolling :
[07:06] <flocculant> )
[07:07] <flocculant> in something new - but same as notify
[07:07] <ochosi> ah
[07:07] <ochosi> right, good to know if it's not just notifyd
[07:07] <ochosi> then it's most likely settings' bug
[07:07] <ochosi> so i added the 4.13.0 version tag to bugzilla
[07:07] <flocculant> yea that was what I thought - hence mentioning it to you :)
[07:07] <ochosi> feel free to start reporting those bugs
[07:08] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - cheers
[07:08] <ochosi> btw, i also have a new taskman release pending
[07:08] <ochosi> added a small feature and fixed some bugs
[07:08] <ochosi> if you wanna take it for a spin
[07:08] <flocculant> yea saw the mention of it earlier
[07:08] <flocculant> yup can do :)
[07:09] <ochosi> basically this means building the master branch
[07:09] <ochosi> same routine as with notifyd
[07:09] <flocculant> right - sounds like I might want to do that in a vm first :p
[07:10] <ochosi> first install the build-deps (apt-get build-dep xfce4-taskmanager), then after cloning run ./autogen.sh && make && ./src/xfce4-taskmanager to execute without install (which is unproblematic, apart from a missing icon)
[07:10] <ochosi> sure, in a vm you can install it with sudo make install in the end
[07:10] <ochosi> which makes the missing icon thing also go away
[07:11] <ochosi> this is what to expect: http://i.imgur.com/aq3ht6j.png
[07:11] <ochosi> so there's the new crosshair button in the toolbar
[07:11] <ochosi> (between settings and about)
[07:11] <ochosi> that one you can take for a spin
[07:11] <ochosi> the fixed bugs you probably won't notice, because we don't ship the gtk3 version of taskman atm
[07:12] <Unit193> Do in PPA.
[07:13] <flocculant> ochosi: ^^ is what I have locally
[07:13] <flocculant> ochosi: and where do I clone it from :)
[07:16] <Unit193> distcheck it, I'll package it.  Also: echo $(date -u +"%Y%m%d" -d @`git log --format="%ct" -n1`).$(git rev-parse --short HEAD)
[07:22] <flocculant> \o/ oem install works now
[07:22] <flocculant> Unit193: that's just voodoo ...
[07:31] <flocculant> on the other hand encrypt/lvm doesn't ...
[07:36] <flocculant> ochosi: finding more mouse scrolling - I'll write a list before posting the bug
[07:42] <flocculant> lvm didn't like a 12g drive
[07:52] <ochosi> flocculant: from here: https://git.xfce.org/apps/xfce4-taskmanager/
[07:52] <ochosi> Unit193: i'll try to do a release shortly, then you can package something for realz
[07:52] <ochosi> ;)
[07:52] <flocculant> ochosi: ta - thought so
[07:58] <ochosi> bbl
[08:22] <flocculant> ochosi: I can see the cross-hair being a useful thing for people
[11:06] <bluesabre> ochosi, not an admin on xfce4-settings in bugzilla
[11:18] <akxwi-dave> morning all - had ubiquity/os-prober been updated..  got a possible problem on todays i386 iso.. its not detecting the existing installation of Xubuntu
[11:18] <akxwi-dave> has*
[11:54] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: yea - reported and being worked on
[11:55] <akxwi-dave> ahhhh..  good couldn't find a bug report..  and morning flocculant
[11:55] <flocculant> some idiot was mucking about with dupes and stuff overnight
[11:56] <flocculant> eg unmarking the dupe and duping mine - even though my one is the one with detail :D
[11:56] <akxwi-dave> ahhhh.. lol same with one I did  a while back...    wasn't anyone we know was it.. ;-)
[11:57] <flocculant> nope
[11:58] <flocculant> someone hardly anyone would know about instead :p
[12:01] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: not sure if you saw backlog from this morning - but checked oem \o/ and encrypt /0\
[12:02] <akxwi-dave>   yup saw that. :-)
[13:24] <flocculant> ochosi: what if there is a usability issue with the current settings which is replicated in the gtk3 one?
[13:25] <flocculant> I'm thinking of reporting more than 1 bug so different issues don't get lost in the mix
[13:28] <flocculant> that is keeping regressions in a bug, odd things in a seperate bug
[13:48] <ochosi> well that's the version tag in bugzilla that you'll have to use
[13:48] <ochosi> not sure whether it allows for multi-select of versions
[13:48] <ochosi> probably not
[13:49] <ochosi> since 4.12 will likely not see another maintenance release (unless 4.14 takes forever) i would report it against the new version primarily
[13:49] <ochosi> and then mention that it predates 4.13
[13:57] <flocculant> ok
[13:57] <flocculant> but that's not the actual question I have :)
[13:58] <flocculant> the question I have is 'Shall I keep things that are definitely wrong on a seperate bug from those which are 'that's odd' ones?
[14:05]  * flocculant joined xfce-dev
[15:06] <flocculant> ochosi: reported 13316,7 and 8 to bugzilla


[00:01] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay, sent.
[00:06] <owh> Just out of interest has anyone looked at being able to mount Vista UDF disks in Hardy - just tried it on my server vm and it barfed.
[00:07] <nijaba> goodnight
[00:08] <owh> nijaba: Thanks for the work you did on the surveys - sorry for all the reports :)
[00:08] <nijaba> owh: hey, we need testers :)
[00:08] <owh> You tarzan, me tester :)
[00:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: you're right...  message awaiting moderator approval
[01:43]  * faulkes- yawns
[01:43] <owh> faulkes-: Does your fancy stats code handle IRC logs?
[02:56] <kgoetz> Jeeves_: ping? you about mate?
[03:16] <lamont> ScottK: debian bug 470852
[03:16] <ubotu> Debian bug 470852 in postfix "postfix: Wildcard virtual alias maps cause unwanted bounces" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/470852
[03:19]  * lamont -> bed
[03:30] <ScottK2> lamont: IMO anyone using domain catch-all's in 2008 pretty well deserves whatever pain they get.  OTOH, the behavior isn't ideal.
[04:55] <faulkes-> owh: no, fancy stats code does not handle irc but it could be adapted to do so
[04:56] <faulkes-> (yes I realize the reply is probably about 6 hours too late
[06:28] <Jeeves_> kgoetz: I was sleeping. :)
[06:28] <Jeeves_> kgoetz: What's up?
[06:29] <owh> Jeeves_: The sun?
[06:30] <Jeeves_> owh: Yeah, that did come up a about an hour ago. :)
[06:30] <owh> Jeeves_: Over here it's already well and truly on its way down again :)
[06:32] <Jeeves_> owh: 07:31, the clock says. I'm sitting here with sleepy eyes :)
[06:33] <owh> Jeeves_: It depends on which clock you're looking, but given yours I'm thinking Holland :)
[06:34] <pschulz01> Jeeves_: kgoetz Is on his way home at the moment.
[06:34] <Jeeves_> owh: Correct
[06:34] <Jeeves_> pschulz01: Ah ok. Did he want to talk about the T1000's ?
[06:34] <Jeeves_> (That you know of)
[06:35] <pschulz01> Jeeves_: Not sure.. we have an older sparc that he is trying to install.. we have passed the T1000 off to anotrher developer who is using Slowaris.
[06:35] <Jeeves_> pschulz01: They're both pinging here. Still running solaris.
[06:36] <owh> Jeeves_: Amsterdam die groote stad die is gebouwed op paalen ;-)
[06:36] <Jeeves_> I'm thinking I'll give you guys access to my server, running dhcpd an tftpd and access to the serial console of the T1000
[06:36] <Jeeves_> So you can do your thing and try to make it boot
[06:37] <Jeeves_> owh: :)
[06:37] <pschulz01> Jeeves_: I think kgoetz would appriciate that :-)
[06:37] <Jeeves_> pschulz01: :)
[06:37] <Jeeves_> Does he have pgp?
[06:37] <pschulz01> Jeeves_: I would like to know that I can reinstall either OS's.
[06:37] <pschulz01> Jeeves_: Yes..
[06:38] <Jeeves_> What's his emailaddress, I'll send him an email with login data
[06:38] <owh> Now this is weird. Yesterday or so I came here to ask why a daily cron wouldn't run and for debugging purposes the suggestion was to install mail on this server - local delivery only. Now this cron job is running - there were no other changes. The mail has the log output of the cron job that was previously failing. This makes no sense to me. Any ideas?
[06:39] <Jeeves_> owh: Did you restart cron? (I had to do that yesterday on a box after placing files in /etc/cron.d/
[06:39] <pschulz01> Jeeves_: I'm trying to see if it's in launchpad.
[06:39] <owh> You're not going to tell me that a cron job fails because there is no place for the output to go?
[06:39] <Jeeves_> pschulz01: Ack
[06:40] <Jeeves_> owh: Not that I know of
[06:40] <owh> Jeeves_: Nope, no restart of cron. I'll check the history just to make sure.
[06:40] <Jeeves_> https://launchpad.net/~kgoetz
[06:41] <owh> Jeeves_: Oooh, you might be onto something there. invoke-rc.d cron reload was the last thing I did :)
[06:42] <owh> So, cron doesn't detect new stuff in it's tree?
[06:42] <owh> Hmm, but run-parts --test showed me everything.
[06:43] <owh> Is that a bug or a *feature*?
[06:43] <Jeeves_> owh: That would be a bug
[06:44] <Jeeves_> However, I've never seen it before, except for this week
[06:44] <owh> I'm not even sure how it could even happen.
[06:44] <owh> I mean run-parts runs every time cron runs.
[06:44] <Jeeves_> Me neither
[06:45] <owh> You know, come to think of it, I wonder if in the deeper past I've seen something similar.
[06:45]  * owh goes to RTFM for a bit.
[06:46] <owh> It says: "Like /etc/crontab, the files in the /etc/cron.d directory are monitored for changes."
[06:51] <owh> That makes no sense, the Debian policy manual says: " If a service reloads its configuration automatically (as in the case of cron, for example), the reload option of the init.d script should behave as if the configuration has been reloaded successfully."
[06:51] <owh> Indicating that I shouldn't need to reload cron.
[06:53] <owh> Jeeves_: Do you remember the circumstances in which you had to reload cron?
[06:54] <Jeeves_> owh: Yes, we copied files in /etc/cron.d/
[06:54] <owh> And they were in crontab format, rather than scripts?
[06:54] <pschulz01> Jeeves_: I've email kgoetz.. expect an email from him at some stage.
[06:54] <owh> It seems that .d wants one format, .daily, .weekly, .monthly seem to want scripts.
[06:55] <owh> s/one/crontab/
[06:55] <Jeeves_> pschulz01: I'm allready emailing him :)
[06:55] <owh> Jeeves_: Which version of OS?
[06:56] <Jeeves_> gutsy
[06:56] <owh> Ditto
[06:56] <owh> Better test hardy :) - I'll run it on my vm.
[07:00] <owh> Jeeves_: That will be interesting. I've created a demo cron job on both hardy and gutsy without reloading cron. I'll see what happens.
[07:03] <Jeeves_> pschulz01: He's got email :)
[07:18] <owh> Jeeves_: Well, my hourly cron job just ran without any problems at all. No reload needed - gutsy workstation. (In case you're wondering, I setup a cron.hourly to work the same as cron.daily, very handy)
[07:23] <_ruben> hmm .. thought i started work early, but jeeves beat me to it for quite a bit it seems ;)
[07:37] <Jeeves_> _ruben: Sorry bout that :)
[07:39] <soren> Er... You never need to reload cron.
[07:39] <soren> Regular users can have a crontab. It wouldn't be very useful for them if they had to e-mail their admin to get them to reload cron every time.
[07:40] <_ruben> hehe
[07:43] <henkjan> _ruben: no Jeeves_ at the office right now. so i guess you were earlier :)
[07:43] <owh> soren: I realise that this is how it should be, but both Jeeves_ and I have experienced a situation where a job wouldn't run until cron was reloaded.
[07:45] <soren> owh: I'm not sure how often it reloads or how it determines what to reload..
[07:45] <soren> owh: But if it's failing to reload at all, that's a *serious* bug.
[07:46] <owh> Well, I had a daily cron job that hadn't run for 5 weeks. Now it magically does.
[07:47] <owh> soren: According to suggestions here I installed postfix on the server in question *and* I reloaded cron.
[07:47] <owh> soren: It's possible that the cron job didn't run because there was no mail, but the job itself does not use any mail at all. It does however generate backup logging output.
[07:48] <_ruben> henkjan: guess he's mindcontrolling his computer from afar then ;)
[07:48] <owh> soren: I'm uncomfortable with the notion that a cron job wouldn't run because output is not going anywhere and that would cause it to fail.
[07:48] <henkjan> _ruben: irssi + screen on his colo server. And working from his computer at home :)
[07:49] <soren> owh: I can understand that
[07:49] <owh> soren: The very last thing I did three days ago on that server was reload cron, and low and behold, now the script is running.
[07:51] <owh> I've just created daily scripts on three different machines, hardy-server, gutsy-server, gutsy-workstation to see what gives.
[07:52] <_ruben> henkjan: guess "work" can be a wide subject .. irssi + screen here as well .. actually currently trying to find an irssi script/plugin i used to use ages ago which shows a horizontal line to indicate which part of a channel i've already 'read'
[07:58] <owh> Heritage computers facing scrap heap: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/14/2189966.htm
[08:40] <kraut> moin
[08:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, ping? (just got home)
[08:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, i have an encrypted email from you - i need to talk to you about it :)
[08:46] <_ruben> hehe
[08:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> owh, sad :(
[08:47] <_ruben> Jeeves_ probably fell asleep again or so ;)
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[08:49] <henkjan> Jeeves_ is at the office right now
[08:49] <henkjan> just not at his desk
[08:50] <owh> Kamping_Kaiser: What's sad?
[08:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> owh, chucking out history
[08:50] <henkjan> Kamping_Kaiser: maybe i can help you?
[08:51] <owh> Kamping_Kaiser: Ah, now I get it. Yes.
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> henkjan, i needed to ask him about his gpg key, but i might have just been pebkacing
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> woot. my fault :)
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> henkjan, thanks anyway
[08:51] <henkjan> okay, problem fixed :)
[08:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[09:00] <_ruben> grrr.. stupid windows backup server .. its on gbit .. but most of the time im getting 30Mbps to it, and occasionally 300Mbps .. no fun copying 200GB at 30Mbps
[09:01] <owh> Try 60Gb at 5k
[09:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> afk a while, having a liedown
[09:02] <_ruben> owh: rather not ;)
[09:05] <owh> _ruben: Chicken :)
[09:53] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: I was at the dentist
[09:55] <_ruben> scaru
[09:55] <_ruben> scary too
[10:38] <ivoks> it stupid that we don't allow degraded raid array to boot :/
[10:39] <_ruben> that'd be rather stupid indeed
[10:40] <ivoks> where should i mount root partition in busybox? to /root?
[10:50] <Jeeves_> ivoks: Who doesn't allow degraded array's to boot?
[10:53] <ivoks> ubuntu :)
[10:55] <nijaba> ivoks: file a bug, I find it sad as well...
[10:56] <ivoks> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/125471
[10:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125471 in mdadm "Booting from a degraded array could be improved" [Undecided,New]
[10:57] <ivoks> i'm fighting with degraded / over the phone for 2 hours
[11:01] <nijaba> ivoks: hmm, an old one.  I'm going to see if we can do something about it in hardy
[11:15] <ivoks> argh... now i have to go to the city 100km away :/
[11:57] <jdstrand_> soren, nijaba: is there a particular reason why you are disabling acpi in ubuntu-vm-builder when using --libvirt?
[11:57] <zul> morning
[11:57] <jdstrand_> hi zul!
[11:57] <nijaba> jdstrand_: no idea
[11:57] <zul> hi jdstrand_!
[11:58] <jdstrand_> nijaba, soren: cause on hardy 386 in a vm, it is needed to use the keyboard
[11:58] <jdstrand_> I don't know all the combinations of releases/archs need it though
[11:59]  * jdstrand_ ponders 5 releases, 2 archs, and (at least) 3 kernel flavors
[11:59] <jdstrand_> and acpi on/off
[11:59] <jdstrand_> so 60 combinations for ubuntu only
[12:06] <soren> jdstrand: Oh, that's because I'm an idiot.
[12:06] <jdstrand> soren -vv
[12:07] <jdstrand> (when -v just isn't enough;)
[12:08] <soren> It's quite possible that the libvirt xml I used as a template was for running WinXP.
[12:14] <soren> jdstrand: The last ubuntu-vm-builder works as expected, right?
[12:15] <jdstrand> soren: I don't know about the keyboard cause I would always get the grub Error 15
[12:16] <soren> Still?
[12:16] <soren> What's the command line you use again?
[12:16] <jdstrand> soren: I don't think u-v-b ever created the <features><acpi/></features>
[12:17] <jdstrand> for 0.3:
[12:17] <jdstrand> sudo ubuntu-vm-builder -d ./hardy_386 --domain strandboge.com --hostname hardy-386 --mirror http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu --addpkg openssh-server -s gutsy --vm kvm --user james --part ./partfile --kernel-flavour 386 --components main,restricted,universe,multiverse --ip <IP_ADDRESS> --libvirt qemu:///system -a i386
[12:17] <jdstrand> soren: note I used '-s gutsy' here, cause of the grub error
[12:17] <jdstrand> soren: I then upgraded
[12:17] <soren> I'd like to see the cmdline that causes grub error 15.
[12:20] <jdstrand> soren: do you mean the u-v-b invocation, or the output from grub when running u-v-b?
[12:20] <soren> The former.
[12:20] <jdstrand> soren: let me downgrade u-v-b and try again
[12:21] <soren> jdstrand: Nono, use the latest.
[12:21] <jdstrand> soren: that isn't where I saw Error 15, but ok (I haven't tried the new one yet)
[12:21] <_ruben> hmm .. afaik there's a way to do the installation of ubuntu-server over ssh .. cant find how that was done .. google keeps showing me howtos on how to install ssh :p
[12:24] <soren> _ruben: google for network-console-udeb, IIRC.
[12:24] <_ruben> soren: lets give that a try
[12:24] <jdstrand> soren: I am running this now: sudo ubuntu-vm-builder kvm hardy -d ./hardy_386b --domain strandboge.com --hostname hardy-386b --mirror http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu --addpkg openssh-server --user james --part ./partfile --kernel-flavour 386 --components main,restricted,universe,multiverse --ip <IP_ADDRESS> --libvirt qemu:///system -a i386
[12:24] <jdstrand> soren: and got this error (but it continued on):
[12:24] <jdstrand> /usr/bin/ubuntu-vm-builder: line 193: validite_arch: command not found
[12:24] <jdstrand> soren: I'll let you know when I boot into it
[12:25] <soren> Ah, maybe I need to spell validate properly?
[12:25] <jdstrand> oh!
[12:25] <jdstrand> I happen to know the arch is valid ;)
[12:29] <jdstrand> soren: crud, apt didn't finish upgrading to ppa4
[12:29] <jdstrand> soren: trying again
[12:34] <jdstrand> soren: rm: cannot remove directory `/tmp/vm-builder-QZXMYX8296/root/lib/modules/2.6.24-12-386/volatile': Device or resource busy
[12:34] <jdstrand> soren: *but* no grub error
[12:35] <jdstrand> \o/
[12:35] <jdstrand> soren: and no <features><acpi/><features/>
[12:36] <jdstrand> soren: but it won't boot
[12:37] <jdstrand> ACPI: Unable to load the System Destription Tables
[12:37] <jdstrand> PCI:...
[12:37] <jdstrand> Loading, please wait...
[12:37] <jdstrand> and hang
[12:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleh. i felll asleep
[12:39] <_ruben> hehe
[12:39] <jdstrand> soren: I added the <acpi/> bits and rebooted and it still won't boot...
[12:41] <jdstrand> soren: interesting
[12:42] <jdstrand> soren: well, maybe not
[12:42] <jdstrand> nm
[12:42] <jdstrand> soren: well possibly :)
[12:44] <jdstrand> soren: ok, I disabled splash and quiet and it hangs at 'Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20'
[12:45] <jdstrand> I do have a warning about sda and write cache disabled... doesn't support DPO or FUA
[12:46] <jdstrand> eh heh, it dropped me to initramfs
[12:47] <jdstrand> /dev/hda1 does not exist
[12:47] <jdstrand> soren: ^^
[12:47] <jdstrand> is this the uuid stuff?
[13:03] <soren> jdstrand: Sorry, I was on a call with Rick.
[13:03] <jdstrand> np-- I will be now too :)
[13:03] <soren> Oh, I thought mathiaz was next :)
[13:04] <soren> I think I know what at least part of the problem is.
[13:05] <_ruben> hmm .. only gettin 1MB/s from the nl mirror .. sucks downloading isos as such low speeds :p
[13:05] <jdstrand> *shrug* asked for in 5, I said 'ok'
[13:11] <soren> jdstrand: The problem seems to be that the virtual kernel is not currently installable.
[13:12] <henkjan> _ruben: that must be your connection
[13:14] <_ruben> henkjan: very well possible .. was getting only 500KB/s to utwente (first dutch mirror in the list)
[13:15] <_ruben> even tho im on 100Mbps fiber
[13:16] <henkjan> _ruben: bug your provider
[13:16]  * _ruben fires up a speedtest.net
[13:18] <_ruben> hmm .. throughput seems darn crappy at the moment .. strange
[13:19] <_ruben> heh .. only 1Mbps to Madrid :p
[13:19] <_ruben> ow well .. already completed burning the iso .. no complains for co-workers .. lets hope its just another friday-afternoon-hickup
[13:19] <henkjan> get a decent ISP like BIT :)
[13:21] <_ruben> henkjan: i doubt you can compete with our current setup .. pricewise .. not sure what we pay, but its no much for a fiber line that's supposed to be 50mbit but in reality gives us 100mbit
[13:21] <_ruben> the 100mbit is shared by the complete complex, but the complex is stuffed with low-usage customers
[13:22] <henkjan> not today :)
[13:22] <_ruben> true :p
[13:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> *radiates dislike*
[13:22] <_ruben> too lazy to try to figure out where the problem might be
[13:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> our fastest internet link at work is 2mb, which is via the usa (and as such has massive latency)
[13:24] <_ruben> and contacting the isp isnt that easy .. unless i bypass our very-hard-to-contact direct contact and go straight to our colo provider which happens to be the actual provider of the fiber as well (wedare)
[13:24] <henkjan> Kamping_Kaiser: i've got 2x 10G :)
[13:24] <_ruben> Kamping_Kaiser: our backup dsl line is already 20mbit i think .. never done any real speedtests on it
[13:25] <_ruben> biggest pipe i have avail is the 1gbit uplink we have at our other colo
[13:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ruben, the fastest link i have access to (itshare sa's) is 8mb~
[13:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> henkjan, :( sounds like a mate of mine at one of the unis in adelaide. his slowest net link is the gigabit to his desktop
[13:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/net link/link to the net
[13:26] <henkjan> Kamping_Kaiser: actually, i'm working at an ISP :)
[13:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> henkjan, i gathered :)
[13:27]  * _ruben should consider a jobswitch :p
[13:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[13:27] <henkjan> _ruben: http://bit.nl/vacatures
[13:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> visit australia and see what the 'first world' finds fast (or come to PNG and find out what the 3rd world finds fast...)
[13:27]  * _ruben clicks on it for the fun of it
[13:28] <_ruben> unix engineer might suit me
[13:29] <henkjan> _ruben: wel, come join a nice club with smart people
[13:29] <_ruben> tho my skills are probably too limited .. they're sufficient for my current place tho
[13:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> "Medewerker" - something worker... whats mede?
[13:29] <henkjan> _ruben: mwoah, if you are motivated to learn
[13:30]  * Kamping_Kaiser is amused at english words scattered through the site
[13:30] <_ruben> henkjan: motivated i am .. i'd feel sorry for my current company tho, they'd be near dead in the water without me .. ok .. a bit exagurated (sp?)
[13:34] <_ruben> Kamping_Kaiser: coworker
[13:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah
[13:36] <sergevn> does anyone has any experience with setting up an WPA Enterprise + Freeradius environment?
[13:38] <jdstrand> soren: I am not specifying the virtual kernel
[13:38] <jdstrand> (I was on the phone)
[13:38] <jdstrand> soren: is it required even with the 386 flavor?
[13:39] <jdstrand> soren: but anyway-- you did see that it booted and dropped to initramfs, right?
[13:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> sergevn, i've not used WPA, but i  have used Freeradius (a little)
[13:43] <sergevn> Kamping_Kaiser: In what context did you use freeradius?
[13:43] <_ruben> henkjan: and ede is a bit far me ;-) (not sure if the pun was intended or not)
[13:43] <_ruben> for me even
[13:44] <henkjan> _ruben: ah, that would be te biggest issue :)
[13:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> to authenticate users against a remote system (no group data/login data, just username/password validity)
[13:44] <_ruben> henkjan: currently working in rotterdam and living in zoetermeer .. zoetermeer - ede is an 1 hr drive :p
[13:45] <_ruben> without traffic ;)
[13:45] <henkjan> _ruben: thats what i'm driving daily (rijssen - ede)
[13:46] <_ruben> jikes :p
[13:49]  * _ruben takes a stroll down to the basement to reinstall one of his sles9 vmware hosts with ubuntu 7.10
[13:57] <soren> jdstrand: Gutsy and onwards on i386 defaults to virtual.
[13:57] <soren> jdstrand: Anything else defaults to server (or amd64-server on dapper/amd64).
[13:57] <jdstrand> soren: but I specified the flavor
[13:57] <soren> jdstrand: Oh.. Er.
[13:57] <soren> jdstrand: Good point.
[13:58] <jdstrand> --kernel-flavour 386
[13:58] <jdstrand> :)
[14:00] <soren> jdstrand: Yeah, I removed a stack of your options as they didn't apply here (network and mirror stuff).
[14:00] <soren> jdstrand: And accidentally removed the kernel-flavour, too.
[14:00] <soren> jdstrand: I'll try again.
[14:00] <jdstrand> soren: too big of a stack apparently
[14:00] <jdstrand> :)
[14:00] <jdstrand> np
[14:03] <soren> jdstrand: Ok, it works for me now. I'll push to launchpad and the ppa.
[14:03] <kirkland> cjwatson: hi there--I have a message pending moderator approval on<EMAIL_ADDRESS> mathiaz said you were a moderator on that list, and could probably push it through?
[14:04] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: Hi there!
[14:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, hello!
[14:06] <jdstrand> soren: thanks
[14:07] <_ruben> sweet .. install over ssh seems to work .. thanks for the pointer, soren
[14:09] <soren> _ruben: Er... Which pointer was that? :)
[14:10] <_ruben> the .. uhm .. what was it called again :p
[14:10] <_ruben> the network console thingie
[14:16] <cjwatson> kirkland: done. (It would be nice if the supporting function in lsb-base went to Debian so that we don't have to maintain deltas against every single package with an init script!)
[14:16] <soren> _ruben: Oh! I somehow assumed we were talking about virtual installs or something.  :)
[14:18] <_ruben> ah :)
[14:19] <kirkland> cjwatson: absolutely, you bet.
[14:19] <kirkland> cjwatson: any idea if there's a historical, political aversion to LSB in Debian?  (something I should be aware of before embarking on that trip?)
[14:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, i've successfully ssh'd in :)
[14:27] <_ruben> crap .. unless im blind then the installer doesnt allow the striping option of logical lvm volumes
[14:29] <cjwatson> kirkland: Debian adopted lsb-base fairly happily, although I think there has been a bit of controversy over 'status' specifically; I'd search debian-policy archives
[14:30] <jdstrand> soren: ppa5 is a go! \o/
[14:30] <kirkland> cjwatson: very good, will do.
[14:30] <jdstrand> soren: hardy/i386 with 386 kernel flavor works great now
[14:30] <jdstrand> soren: so you are calling grub commands on your own now rather than update-grub?
[14:32] <TrioTorus> Hi, so what's with ubuntu security updates when using ebox packages? On the ebox trac page, it says that the ebox team needs to verify every security update. How is this going to work in Hardy?
[14:32] <jdstrand> TrioTorus: first I've heard of that from them
[14:33] <jdstrand> TrioTorus: ebox will be in universe, so it will be community supported, so I guess they will provide the updates for us to upload?
[14:34] <TrioTorus> so, generally speaking, there will be no need to activate an extra repository?
[14:34] <jdstrand> I would hope not
[14:34] <jdstrand> TrioTorus: can you give a link?
[14:35] <TrioTorus> jdstrand, http://trac.ebox-platform.com/wiki/Document/Development/DebianSecurityUpdates
[14:35] <TrioTorus> this could well be out of date though...
[14:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: you should search the debian bug track system in the debian-policy package.
[14:39] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: I see!
[14:39] <jdstrand> zul: ^^
[14:39] <mathiaz> kirkland: the wiki page on wiki.debian.org about LSB init script has a link to a bug in debian bts about adding status to the policy.
[14:39] <jdstrand> zul: do you have a comment on this? I really think the ebox folks should just provide debdiffs in the normal way for universe security
[14:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, :) now i have to brush up on my ALOM and tftp skills
[14:40]  * kirkland going there now, mathiaz
[14:40] <mathiaz> _ruben: are you using preseeds ?
[14:40] <zul> the ebox guys provide us debdiffs and we have a look at them and intergrate them
[14:41] <_ruben> mathiaz: no, running d-i in expert mode
[14:41] <zul> so for ebox we are just the packaging guys
[14:41] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: You have experience with that stuff?
[14:42] <mathiaz> _ruben: you get a message similar to: no root disk found ?
[14:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, a little, from mesing with our sun at work before the dev team got their hands on it
[14:42] <_ruben> mathiaz: im still in the d-i completing the installation ;)
[14:42] <kirkland> mathiaz: from Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:30:55 +0100  :-)
[14:42] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: I would like to do the second one myself and make nice screenshots and stuff, for our weblog
[14:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, sure. i'll try and doc it as i go to help you when you do yours
[14:43] <mathiaz> _ruben: there is a bug in the debian installer related to pv and lv - it's not able to wipe physical volumes
[14:44] <mathiaz> _ruben: hum - I misread your comment
[14:44] <_ruben> mathiaz: hmm .. d-i doesnt offer me grub either, only lilo .. perhaps i should go down a diff road
[14:44] <mathiaz> _ruben: you were looking for striping option in lv
[14:45] <mathiaz> _ruben: that's probably because you've installed /boot on an lv
[14:45] <mathiaz> _ruben: grub doesn't support LV IIRC
[14:45] <_ruben> mathiaz: ah crap!! .. i created a sw raid for /boot and forgot d-i to use it for /boot .. damnit :p
[14:46]  * _ruben writes a mental note to self: dont do installs on friday afternoons
[14:49]  * _ruben goes back a few steps to the partitioner part
[14:54] <cjwatson> d-i in expert mode> you mean "I am an installer developer and want lots of noise" mode? :-)
[14:56] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: Coolio
[14:57] <mathiaz> cjwatson: are bug 154086 and bug 107205 the same ?
[14:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 154086 in partman-auto-lvm "Installing to HDD with previous ubuntu fails to create fresh LVM claiming group already in use" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154086
[14:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107205 in partman-auto-lvm "LVM install crashed - lvm metadata not removed when creating a new partition layout." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107205
[14:58] <mathiaz> cjwatson: when I do my test, the preseed install still fails if there are previous lv/vg/pv on the disk
[14:58] <_ruben> cjwatson: i more or less misinterpreted the expert boot option .. i kinda expected it to take me to the d-i menu, which it did, but additional asks me tons of extra questions as well ;)
[14:58] <_ruben> "luckily" my lvm is on top of sw raid .. so with clean sw raid, there's no old lvm :p
[14:59] <cjwatson> mathiaz: no, I don't think they are. 107205 depends on whether the group is activated or not; your bug is 154086.
[14:59] <cjwatson> which depends on whether the group exists on the disk or not
[15:00] <cjwatson> anyway, there's a preseed for that
[15:00] <cjwatson> I think
[15:00] <mathiaz> cjwatson: I think we talked about that - and the preseed doesn't work
[15:00] <cjwatson> well, that depends on which preseed you were using
[15:00] <cjwatson> it changed in hardy
[15:01] <mathiaz> cjwatson: I'm using "d-i partman-auto/purge_lvm_from_device boolean true"
[15:02] <cjwatson> mathiaz: that's the <=gutsy one; use partman-lvm/device_remove_lvm in hardy
[15:02] <mathiaz> cjwatson: awesome - I'll try that !
[15:03] <mathiaz> cjwatson: that should fix a very annoying problem when I reuse hardware to test installs
[15:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all
[15:04] <_ruben> install complete .. now i gotta walk down to the basement again to remove the cdrom to have it boot properly :/
[15:05] <jdstrand> zul: so that will be the case after hardy is released? ie they will provide backported security updates?
[15:05] <zul> jdstrand: that would be my understanding
[15:06] <cjwatson> mathiaz: please let me know whether that works; however, I'm surprised that it didn't already ask you the question
[15:06] <mathiaz> cjwatson: well - I'm not doing manual installs.. Everything is automated.
[15:07] <cjwatson> mathiaz: in general, I would appreciate it if you could go into more detail about the exact way in which a preseeded install fails, rather than just saying that it fails. Usually a "failure" means that it asks a particular question (which might be something you can respond to, or might be a fatal error)
[15:07] <cjwatson> mathiaz: but then you should be familiar with using DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer to figure out which question it is asking so that you can answer it!
[15:07] <cjwatson> it's rarely useful to treat these things in a binary worked/didn't-work way
[15:07] <ivoks> does anyone objects to MIR for libqwt5-qt4; it's a simple qt library, having it in main would make it possible to have bacula gui console
[15:07] <mathiaz> cjwatson: ok - I'll look into that when my preseed fails.
[15:07] <nxvl> happy pi day!
[15:08] <nxvl> i mean, good morning
[15:08] <nxvl> :P
[15:08] <cjwatson> mathiaz: in particular, if partman-lvm/device_remove_lvm is indeed what you need to set, DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer would have shown that the installer was asking it
[15:08] <cjwatson> but if it's something else, then the log should be helpful in figuring out what
[15:10] <mathiaz> cjwatson: thanks for clarifying this.
[15:17] <cjwatson> mathiaz: also, happy to help with automation problems on #ubuntu-installer; I pay more attention there than here, in general
[15:18]  * _ruben should probably go there and "whine" about lack of lvm striping support in the installer ;)
[15:20] <cjwatson> that's odd, mdcfg has code for raid0
[15:20] <cjwatson> oh, lvm striping, not raid striping
[15:20] <_ruben> yeah
[15:20] <_ruben> nasty way of achieving raid10/raid0+1 (always mix those 2 up)
[15:21] <cjwatson> you could just use raid5
[15:21] <_ruben> since raid10 is lacking from the installer as well (which would be another solution)
[15:21] <_ruben> i need good write performance
[15:21] <cjwatson> ah
[15:21] <_ruben> which basicly means i should get hw raid ;)
[15:24] <cjwatson> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384521 though nothing's ever been done with it
[15:24] <ubotu> Debian bug 384521 in installation-reports "wishlist: striped logical volume with LVM" [Wishlist,Open]
[15:24] <cjwatson> I'll reassign it to the right place, at least
[15:26] <_ruben> ah, nice
[15:26] <_ruben> aug 2006 .. hehe
[15:29] <_ruben> time to go home .. weekend
[15:30] <lunaphyte_> hi :)
[15:33] <lunaphyte_> i've been struggling with updating a server from 6.10 to 7.10.  i updated from 6.10 to 7.0.4 and finally got over the problems i had with that (it wouldn't boot) and so yesterday went through the process again to update from 7.0.4 to 7.10 and i again have a server that won't boot.
[15:47] <lunaphyte_> this is what happens : http://i25.tinypic.com/25sym8g.jpg
[15:48] <lunaphyte_> i booted from the install disc and ran a rescue shell, but their don't appear to be any raid or lvm programs available.  what can i do?
[16:12] <cjwatson> lunaphyte_: the installer's rescue *mode* should give you raid/lvm
[16:12] <cjwatson> assuming this is an alternate install CD
[16:12] <cjwatson> (or server install CD)
[16:13] <cjwatson> at least as of 7.10
[16:14] <cjwatson> don't try booting the installer with init=/bin/sh or root=blah or whatever, that won't help much
[16:14] <cjwatson> rescue/enable=true would be the parameter you want, or the rescue mode on the CD boot menu
[16:21] <lunaphyte_> cjwatson: yeah, it's the server install cd.  i think i've figured at least one problem out - i have some sort of cd-rom or optical drive issue, although it's not clear what.
[16:21] <lunaphyte_> maybe someone here can make sense of it:
[16:23] <lunaphyte_> if i boot from the cd on a computer in my office, i can go through the process of getting into rescue mode, etc with no errors.  so that says to me, the cd is fine, the iso i downloaded is fine, etc,etc.
[16:24] <lunaphyte_> but, if i take that same cd and use it to boot this server i'm working on, it boots, it loads the installer, it reads files off the disc, yet it complains that there is a problem with integrity of the disc, and craps out.
[16:25] <lunaphyte_> so on the one hand, i'd conclude that since i proved the disc is good on another computer, it must be the optical drive.  but why would the optical drive appear to be able to do everything it needs to do expect for reading this one particular file?
[16:25] <lunaphyte_> i guess i'll stop whining and just go find another drive and swap them out.   :)
[16:25] <cjwatson> have you tried cleaning the drive lens? I say this a lot, but it does seem to be a fairly common problem, and distressingly hard to figure out
[16:26] <cjwatson> there could well be a problem positioned such that it only affects data in particular parts of the disk
[16:36] <jmtt> kirkland: confcall today?
[16:36] <kirkland> jmtt: we were just trying to figure that out....
[16:37] <kirkland> jmtt: none of us had an invite
[16:37] <jmtt> kirkland: please join now. we are still on.
[16:37] <lunaphyte_> cjwatson: yeah - that was my first thought.
[16:38] <lunaphyte_> i figured it out - the drive was connected w/ a 40 conductor cable instead of an 80 conductor cable.
[16:38] <lunaphyte_> that's one of those things that, for me, i always forget to consider because i still don't really understand it.
[16:39] <kirkland> jmtt: joining....
[16:39] <jmtt> kirkland: same confcall info as last time if you can find it
[16:40] <jmtt> kirkland: i can't private msg you for lack of freenode registration
[16:40] <kirkland> jmtt: gotcha, we're looking it up
[16:40] <jmtt> kirkland: ok
[16:40] <kirkland> jmtt: can you add me to the permanent invite<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:51] <lunaphyte_> ok, i was able to get recovery mode to fully boot.  it saw all of my md devices, and all of my lvm volumes, and i was able to start a shell using my root volume.  how can i troubleshoot this?
[17:04] <AnRkey_eepc> hi all
[17:04] <AnRkey_eepc> i have some problems here with networking
[17:04] <AnRkey_eepc> i have two nics in a 7.10 server box
[17:04] <AnRkey_eepc> ubuntu-desktop installed
[17:05] <AnRkey_eepc> can ping adsl router on one nick
[17:05] <AnRkey_eepc> can't ping past it
[17:05] <AnRkey_eepc> and now it won't boot so never mind, reinstalling
[17:06]  * AnRkey_eepc breaks down in tears
[17:29] <lunaphyte_> if i have 5 md devices (md0-4), should they all show uuids in the output of vol_id?
[17:57] <theblogg1> can someone help me with
[17:57] <theblogg1> this
[17:57] <theblogg1> please
[17:57] <theblogg1> ?
[17:57] <theblogg1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=724213
[18:10] <AnRkey_eeepc> how do i enable routing on ubuntu?
[18:11] <AnRkey_eeepc> i have 2 nics in this box and I want my second server to be able to get internet access through it
[18:41] <faulkes-> AnRkey: same way you would do it in almost any linux distribution
[18:43] <faulkes-> sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_foward="1"
[18:44] <faulkes-> or uncomment the line about ip forwarding in /etc/sysctl.conf
[18:44] <faulkes-> and reboot
[18:44] <faulkes-> err, no, sudo sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf iirc
[18:44] <faulkes-> man sysctl in other words ;)
[18:54] <jdstrand> faulkes-!
[18:54] <jdstrand> faulkes-: did you get my message re mysql?
[18:56] <ScottK2> lamont: Let me know if you want to discuss the postfix bug.
[18:56] <lamont> ScottK: later on or maybe this weekend, sure
[18:57] <ScottK2> OK.  No rush.
[18:57] <lamont> there was another one that came in today wrt not honoring smtpd_recipient_restrictions or some such that I suspect is Pebkac.
[19:01] <jdstrand> soren, nijaba: I am *loving* the ubuntu-vm-builder/libvirt combination.  It and you guys are *awesome*
[19:03] <faulkes-> jdstrand: message re: mysql?
[19:03]  * faulkes- looks around
[19:03] <jdstrand> faulkes-: I'll recap
[19:03] <jdstrand> faulkes-: I recently did a -security update for mysql
[19:03]  * faulkes- nods
[19:04] <jdstrand> faulkes-: it had some significant changes, esp on dapper-feisty
[19:04] <jdstrand> faulkes-: so I uploaded it to -proposed for more testing
[19:04]  * faulkes- nods again
[19:04] <jdstrand> faulkes-: mathiaz thought it might be a good idea to announce it somewhere on the forums
[19:04] <jdstrand> maybe a developer section?
[19:04] <jdstrand> faulkes-: let me get the bug...
[19:05] <jdstrand> bug #201009
[19:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201009 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "[mysql-dfsg-5.0] fix for several open vulnerabilities in -proposed" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201009
[19:06] <jdstrand> faulkes-: really all that is needed is for people to enable -proposed, install the packages and go to the bug and say 'works for me on <release>'
[19:06]  * faulkes- nods
[19:07] <jdstrand> faulkes-: I am not sure where the best place would be for that (I am a total forums newbie)
[19:07] <jdstrand> faulkes-: or if it is appropriate at all for the forums
[19:07] <jdstrand> faulkes-: thoughts?
[19:08] <faulkes-> well
[19:08] <faulkes-> I think it is appropriate
[19:08] <faulkes-> ubuntu dev link forum seems most appropriate but it's dead
[19:09] <mathiaz> zul: did you send your diffs to debian from your samba upload ?
[19:09] <zul> not yet
[19:09] <faulkes-> jdstrand: given the nature of the bug, I would say security forum is probably the best place
[19:09] <zul> its on my todo list
[19:10] <mathiaz> zul: great - are you using submittodebian ?
[19:10] <zul> mathiaz: will be :)
[19:10] <mathiaz> zul: hum... actually I'm not sure it would be usefull in that case as it's not a merge
[19:10] <jdstrand> faulkes-: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=322 ?
[19:10] <mathiaz> zul: but a new upstream revision...
[19:10] <ScottK2> Isn't sending samba diffs to Debian as simple as giving it to slangasek?
[19:11] <mathiaz> ScottK2: true - slangasek is doing a great job at it
[19:11] <mathiaz> ScottK2: but he is quit busy these days with beta coming up next week
[19:11] <mathiaz> ScottK2: and christian is already working on packaging 3.0.28a for debian
[19:12] <ScottK2> Fair enough
[19:12] <faulkes-> jdstrand: yeah
[19:12] <mathiaz> ScottK2: so the earlier we send our patches, the higher the chance to get it included in Debian in the next upload
[19:12] <zul> I was thinking of subscribing to the pkg-samba ml and sending the patches there
[19:12] <mathiaz> zul: I think they prefer to use the bts
[19:13] <zul> mathiaz: ok
[19:13] <zul> Ill take out the relevants
[19:13] <mathiaz> zul: I'm subscribe to the pkg-samba ml and all the bugs are sent there
[19:13] <mathiaz> zul: you may wanna have a quick discussion with steve about this though
[19:13] <zul> will do
[19:20] <jdstrand> faulkes-: I submitted a new thread.  thanks!
[20:34] <ScottK> mathiaz or dendrobates: Why does ubuntu-standard depend on ufw instead of recommend it?
[20:36] <mathiaz> ScottK: recommends are not installed by default with apt-get
[20:36] <mathiaz> ScottK: I also think it's the way the meta-package is created
[20:37] <ScottK> mathiaz: They are installed by default for meta-packages
[20:38] <ScottK> If you look at the meta packages most of them moved everything to recommends.
[20:38] <mathiaz> ScottK: hum.. I don't know then.
[20:38] <mathiaz> ScottK: may you should ask in #ubuntu-devel
[20:38] <jdstrand> ScottK: it's in the standard seed
[20:39] <jdstrand> isn't ubuntu-standard created from the seed?
[20:39] <mathiaz> jdstrand: yes - from ubuntu-meta
[20:39] <ScottK> jdstrand: Yes, but it's depends, not recommended.  As an example, I can remove ntfs-3g if I don't want it, but not ufw.
[20:39] <mathiaz> jdstrand: but the question is why it's a depend rather than a recomend
[20:40] <mathiaz> IIRC Recommends are installed by the installer
[20:40] <mathiaz> However apt-get install doesn't install Recommends by default
[20:41] <mathiaz> so I wonder what would happend on an upgrade
[20:46] <ScottK> mathiaz: It does for meta packages.  They are a special case.
[21:35] <owh> Greetings all. I'm looking for some people who can do some testing. I think I've found a bug in cron - specifically, if you add a script to /etc/cron.daily - and if you *don't* specifically reload cron, it never gets executed. I've tested this on a hardy-server, a gutsy-server and a gutsy-workstation. I get mixed results.
[21:36] <owh> The gutsy-server in question had a problem where a script wasn't running. After a reload it did. I added my test script and that too ran automatically. The hardy-server and the gutsy-workstation both do not run the script.
[21:36] <owh> Before I lodged a bug I thought I'd first confirm that such a problem exists.
[21:37] <owh> My test script is this:
[21:37] <owh> #!/bin/bash
[21:37] <owh> date >> /var/log/date.log
[21:38] <owh> Yesterday Jeeves_ reported that he had seen the same problem on his gutsy-server with /etc/cron.d
[21:42] <owh> Or should I just lodge the bug as it stands?
[21:45]  * owh is a little reluctant to pull the alarm cord at this stage in the cycle.
[22:17] <sommer> owh: I'll give it a testy test test
[22:56] <^u^> am surprised the basic server install uses so much hd space...
[23:01] <pschulz01> kgoetz: ping
[23:01] <owh> sommer: Tah
[23:02] <sommer> owh: setup a gutsy test and a hardy test
[23:02] <sommer> you may need to remind me to check the results :-)
[23:03] <owh> sommer: Which TZ?
[23:03] <sommer> edt
[23:03] <owh> 6:25am is not the same everywhere :)
[23:03] <owh> What's that in UTC?
[23:04] <sommer> -4
[23:04] <owh> Alternatively, what time is it with your test machines?
[23:04] <owh> Cool
[23:05] <sommer> heh... had to double check with the stupid daylight savings thing
[23:05] <owh> Heh
[23:05] <owh> Note that the machines didn't reboot after creating the script, which might also affect the outcome.
[23:06] <owh> s/might/will likely/
[23:06] <sommer> owh: is there nothing in the logs?
[23:07] <owh> sommer: The logs show that the daily job ran normally. But the script doesn't actually run. run-parts --test shows the scripts as expected.
[23:07] <sommer> ah, strange
[23:07] <sommer> can't say that I'm using any custom cron.daily scripts
[23:07] <owh> Stranger still, my console just showed my 625 daily cron job run at 735 on the gutsy-workstation.
[23:08]  * owh checks crontab
[23:08] <owh> 25 6    * * *   root    test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )
[23:09] <owh> That ran, well, the date log said 7:35, meaning that either my daily cron job took 1 hour and 10 minutes to get to the date stamp job.
[23:09] <owh> Whoa
[23:09] <owh> grep daily /var/log/syslog shows: Mar 15 07:38:20 localhost anacron[16254]: Job `cron.daily' terminated
[23:10] <owh> There is really screwwy stuff going on here.
[23:10] <owh> /var/log/syslog.0:Mar 15 06:25:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[15300]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ))
[23:11] <owh>  /var/log/syslog.0:Mar 15 07:30:03 localhost anacron[16254]: Will run job `cron.daily' in 5 min.
[23:11] <owh> It appears that both anacron and cron are running the daily job.
[23:12] <owh> All those are from the gutsy-workstation. The hardy-server shows no daily cron references in any log files.
[23:13] <owh> I think I should probably put this in a wiki page for documentation purposes at the moment.
[23:14] <sommer> probably good to keep a record somewhere
[23:16] <owh> Yup.
[23:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, pnog
[23:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> *pong
[23:23] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: Just checking :-)
[23:24] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm watching blinking lights.
[23:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, i'm just out of bed
[23:24] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: apt-get install pants
[23:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, i'm slightly ahead of that :p
[23:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do you take me for - jdub?
[23:25] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: well....
[23:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[23:57] <mindframe-> what should i use to monitor bandwidth usage per port?


[18:14] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:25] <sadsun> good morning
[19:27] <ajmitch> morning
[19:55] <chilts> morning\
[19:55] <chilts> hmm
[19:56] <ajmitch> everyone recovered from the weekend? :)
[19:57]  * chilts won't recover for 3 more years
[19:58] <ibeardslee> it'll take longer than that to buy our assets back
[19:59] <chilts> we won't be able to, they'll be elsewhere
[19:59] <ibeardslee> we did buy the rail back
[19:59] <chilts> which is what pisses me off about Key 'coz he keeps saying "No-one said let's buy back Air NZ" and it's like, well, that's a completely different thing
[20:00] <chilts> that's 'coz it had been run into the ground
[20:13] <mwhudson> morning
[20:13] <mwhudson> predictably, three mps won in my electorate!
[20:18] <chilts> ??
[20:20] <mwhudson> chilts: well, they were 2, 2 and 6 on their party lists
[20:20] <mwhudson> (rongotai: we had russell norman, chris finlayson and annette king)
[20:22] <ajmitch> mwhudson: you mean that isn't usual for an urban seat? :)
[20:22] <mwhudson> ajmitch: i dunno, is it?
[20:23] <mwhudson> wellington central didn't seem _quite_ so extreme iirc
[20:23] <ajmitch> afaik there are 3 for dunedin north as well, with a labour MP taking the electorate, national list mp & green list mp
[20:25] <mwhudson> yeah, does look likeit
[20:26] <ibeardslee> I think I ended up with 4
[20:26] <mwhudson> auckland central had thee too
[20:26] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: you're in the ohariu electorate?
[20:27] <ibeardslee> retard #1 from United Future, the techical expert from National
[20:27] <mwhudson> winning
[20:27] <mwhudson> i can't imagine anywhere would top 4
[20:27] <ibeardslee> Charles from Labour and Gareth from Greens
[20:27] <ibeardslee> ajmitch: yes
[20:29] <mwhudson> "Another one on the road to obscurity. She showed early promise but hasn’t lived up to it. Must do more than ask patsy questions and make the occasional forgettable speech."
[21:45] <Atamira> morning