[00:05] <shally87> hi
[00:05] <shally87> if i already installed LAMP server and PHPMyAdmin
[00:05] <shally87> do i need to install DNS and samba?
[00:07] <Deeps> only if you want to run a dns server and samba server
[00:08] <shally87> owh
[00:08] <shally87> then can i run LAMP + DNS + Samba  together?
[00:08] <Deeps> sure
[00:09] <shally87> About the DNS server how do i point the server to my domain name?
[00:10] <shally87> My ISP give me a dynamic ip address..
[00:10] <shally87> and i afraid i dont have any static Ip address
[02:01] <techsupport> can someone tell me what lenny is ?
[02:02] <genii> techsupport: It's an older version of Debian
[02:02] <techsupport> genii, can you help me out please, i posted something on a forum and i dont know what this guy means he replied to me
[02:03] <genii> techsupport: Apologies, Lenny is the forthcoming Debian version. Current is Etch
[02:03] <genii> (Was thinking of Sid, a former version)
[02:04] <techsupport> genii, i'm gonna change my nick now ok ?
[02:04] <orudie> sorry for the nick change
[02:04] <genii> np
[02:04] <orudie> genii,  look please , i started this forum http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794455
[02:06] <orudie> genii, he says the game server doesnt start because of some lib6
[02:09] <orudie> genii, anything ?
[02:19] <genii> orudie: Yes, I read it. No immediate ideas, except perhaps specify libc version to install.
[02:19] <orudie> genii, is there a way to update libc to the latest version ?
[02:20] <orudie> genii, without specifying the version number
[02:20] <genii> orudie: What ubuntu are you currently running?
[02:20] <orudie> server 8.10
[02:21] <genii> !info libc6 jaunty
[02:21] <genii> !info libc6 intrepid
[02:22] <orudie> yes i have libc6          2.8~20080505-0 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
[02:22] <orudie> can i update it ?
[02:22] <orudie> to v 2.9 ?
[02:22] <genii> orudie: They are saying you need 2.7.18 ... 8.10 has 2.8 and 9.04 has 2.9   ... These are LATER versions than 2.7.18
[02:24] <genii> orudie: If you add the src repos only of jaunty, you can apt-get source <package> and build. I'm not sure if libc however can be "built" as such
[03:35] <KterinK> how can i see if i have dhcp server installed?
[03:37] <KterinK> figured it out, 'sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server status'
[03:39] <jmarsden> That tells you if it is running.... to check it is installed at all, something like   dpkg -l dhcp3-server   should work.
[03:42] <orudie> which command do i use in server's console to stop the server
[03:44] <green7> halt or shutdown?
[03:44] <orudie> i noticed i can only start tf2 server only after i reboot linux
[03:44] <orudie> this is messed up
[03:44] <green7> Tha's weird. no error messages?
[03:45] <orudie> green7, i am having seriouse problems man
[03:45] <orudie> green7, http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794455
[03:47] <green7> Gimme a sec - reading it...
[03:47] <orudie> green7, also thanx, also Could not establish connection to Steam servers.
[03:51] <green7> hmmm, no idea. did you report it to steam tech support?
[03:52] <orudie> no, how can i do that ?
[03:53] <orudie> green7, ok lets say i get the server started, but why do i keep getting could not establish connection to steam servers ?
[03:53] <green7> support.steampowered.com, I guess.
[03:54] <green7> Do you have firewall turned on? Can you ping or traceroute to their servers? (you can run tcpdump to check where it's trying to get to)
[03:55] <orudie> green7, which command should i run ?
[03:55] <orudie> like sometimes it establishes connection and sometimes it doesnt
[03:55] <orudie> like i have to try 5 times, and from the 5th time it would establish connection
[03:55] <orudie> but now i can only start the server after i rebooth the computer
[03:55] <green7> chkconfig --list | grep firewall , I think
[03:55] <orudie> so i cant get it to establish connection
[03:56] <green7> maybe it's cycling through a list of servers, and only some of the servers are up.
[03:58] <green7> you can check that with tcpdump & see if it's trying to get to a different ip/hostname when it works and when it fails
[03:59] <green7> and if that's the problem you can put some bogus entries in /etc/hosts to point the non-working hostnames to working ones.
[04:00] <green7> I've gotta get out of here - good luck!
[04:00] <orudie> green7, thanx i think i got this
[04:56] <Ultraputz> how do you turn on zeroconf advertising for ssh on a fresh install of u server?
[05:07] <Ultraputz> installing firefly seemed to switch it on. thanks anyway !
[05:14] <iverson0881> is ufw suitable to be used in a production server environment?
[05:25] <ScottK> iverson0881: If its feature set is sufficient for what you need, certainly.
[05:26] <iverson0881> ScottK: but it's nothing as full blown as maybe using just straight iptables or bastille is that correct?
[05:26] <ScottK> It's a front end for iptables.
[05:26] <ScottK> So if you can do what you need with it, then fine.
[05:27] <ScottK> If you need stuff it can't help you with, then not.  It's really just a question of your requirements versus its capabilities.
[05:48] <iverson0881> oh okay, i see. what would you recommend?
[06:00] <ScottK> If ufw does what you need, use it.
[06:00] <ScottK> I use my own iptables scripts, so I'm probably not the best source of a recommendation for someting easier.
[06:07] <rdw200169> are there any applications on the terminal that run as daemons and can run a set of commands when network connectivity goes down?
[06:09] <hads> Something like monit may do what you want.
[06:27] <rdw200169> ah, thanks, forgot about monit.
[06:29] <iverson0881> there's also god
[06:29] <iverson0881> which is based on ruby
[06:30] <iverson0881> http://god.rubyforge.org/
[06:38] <suigeneris> hello
[06:38] <suigeneris> ScottK, are you there?
[06:38] <ScottK> I am, but I'm just about to go to sleep.
[06:38] <ScottK> suigeneris: ^^
[06:39] <suigeneris> when will you come back?
[06:39] <suigeneris> in 8 hrs?
[06:39] <ScottK> Unfortunately less.
[06:39] <ScottK> Is there a quick question
[06:39] <ScottK> Probably ~7 or so.
[06:39] <suigeneris> you said you'd help me with my smtpd.key problem
[06:40] <ScottK> Ah.
[06:40] <ScottK> I remember you.
[06:40] <suigeneris> thanks :)
[06:40] <ScottK> Yes, after I sleep, I need to be at my desktop, not my laptop.
[06:41] <suigeneris> i'll wait
[09:31] <mathiaz> kees: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/323755
[09:31] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 323755 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "non-trivial building mysql source package, build test keeps failing, (open)ssl related" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:31] <mathiaz> kees: ^^ this is the mysql failure
[09:51] <frippz> I've got a bridge set up for KVM that is using one of three NICs. is it possible to add the other two by specifying them with bridge_ports? if so, how would that work?
[10:17] <simplexio> frippz: dont know about KVM, but make a bridge from all NICs is easy
[10:19] <simplexio> frippz: bridge addbr br0 && bridge addif br0 eth0 etc.. then tell kvm use br0, or if kvm uses some virtual interface you probably can add it too to bridge
[10:21] <simplexio> if i install bind9 for my self, can i use any domain name on it? like example.com or myhome.poop .. i just want to get "own" dns server for home lan, so that i can use kerberos, ldpa etc.. for filesharing on lan
[10:22] <simplexio> and i dont want that my bind9 server causes some dns names to point wrong place
[10:23] <hads> Yes
[10:23] <hads> Might want to look at dnsmasq also
[10:24] <frippz> simplexio: yeah, KVM is using br0 I think. what I'm wondering now is how the bridge will be working. will it be utilizing 3 NICs and effectively offer 3 Gbit/s speed?
[10:25] <frippz> since each NIC is a 1Gbit
[10:27] <simplexio> frippz: hmm.. im not sure (i use 100Mb + 1Gb bridge) where this 100Mb is on "internet" side and 1G is on my home lan
[10:27] <soren> frippz: No, it won't.
[10:27] <simplexio> but i get 1Gb speed to server from home desktop and 100Mbit from that
[10:28] <frippz> soren: I figured... seems to easy and too good to be true :)
[10:29] <simplexio> frippz: i think you need first make bond all those NIC to one virtual nic and then bridge it to KVM side
[10:29] <soren> frippz: If you want to to dhat, you need to set up bonding and add your bonded interface to the bridge instead of your hysical nic's.
[10:29] <soren> It's totally doable, just not how you explained it.
[10:30] <frippz> yeah, I'll have to look up bonding again. haven't played with that in ages :)
[10:30] <soren> Well, if you want to bond interfaces, which is clearly what you want... you kinda need to use bonding :)
[10:31]  * soren is about to lose nework access for a little bit
[10:32] <Gargoyle> Any mod_rewrite gurus online? I want to make a rule that redirects to my blog, but does not append to the query string.
[10:34] <soren> "Does not append to the query string"?Why would it do that?
[10:34] <Gargoyle> So far I have this... http://pastebin.com/d78ecbd05
[10:35] <Gargoyle> If you goto http://ga.rgoyle.com/an/ I want it to be as if you have gone to /blog, but it must be passing something extra through to wordpress cos I get page not found :(
[10:37] <soren> Gargoyle: Look in your logs?
[10:42] <Gargoyle> soren: Not much about rewrite rules seems to get logged.
[10:42] <hads> There's an option to log it
[10:43] <soren> Gargoyle: No, but you can see where it's redirecting to.
[10:44] <Gargoyle> Uh oh... I might be reading these docs for a while.... `Despite the tons of examples and docs, mod_rewrite is voodoo. Damned cool voodoo, but still voodoo.''
[10:45] <hads> Nah
[10:49] <Gargoyle> Cool! Redirect loop!
[10:49] <Gargoyle> :D
[10:53] <frippz> soren: what about distributing the load manually over several NICs? I'm thinking that about setting up several br-interfaces and letting some VMs use br0 and some other user br1 and br2. would that work?
[10:54] <soren> Manually?
[10:58] <frippz> soren: yeah, well. by manually I mean that I choose wich VM uses wich bridge
[10:58] <frippz> maybe I'm just making this more difficult for myself than it should be :D
[11:09] <fw1> I am setting up ldap replication following the  8.10 instructions,  the problem is that once i get to the end and the two servers are in sync the, i restart, create an object on the primary server,  the second server then blasts its db away
[11:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #324249 in bind9 (main) "[CVE-2009-0265] BIND 9 not properly checking the return value from OpenSSL EVP_VerifyFinal()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324249
[13:31] <shally87> hi..
[13:31] <shally87> what is the command to install mail server using sudo apt-get
[13:31] <shally87> anyone
[13:34] <pmatulis> shally87: just use the 'tasksel' command to get the menu
[13:36] <andol> mathiaz: Thanks for pointing out the expired ssl-cert in the mysql testing suite. You just saved me from doing a hole bunch of completely unrelated tests :-)
[13:36] <mathiaz> andol: :)
[13:37] <mathiaz> andol: upstream has commited patches to their 5.1 and 6.0 trees.
[13:37] <shally87> ok
[13:37] <shally87> thanks pmatulis
[13:37] <mathiaz> andol: but the Debian maintainer reported that the patch would not apply on the 5.0 tree
[13:39] <andol> mathiaz: Should I look into building our own patch, using the new cert in the 5.1+ patch? Or do you have another solution in mind?
[13:40] <shally87> i want to esit my dns using this
[13:40] <shally87> sudo vi /etc/bind/named.conf.local
[13:40] <andol> mathiaz: Alternatevly is it just best to wait and see what Debian does?
[13:40] <mathiaz> andol: that's what I would do - take the new certs from 5.1+ and put them in 5.0
[13:40] <shally87> but i having problem on writing the code..
[13:40] <shally87> anyone experience to use it?
[13:40] <shally87> hope someone could help..i brb a while
[13:41] <shally87> thanks..
[13:52] <shally87> hi..back..
[13:52] <shally87> i got this function sudo vi /etc/bind/named.conf.local
[13:52] <shally87> from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=236093
[13:52] <shally87> and i need to add few more function below it.
[13:53] <shally87> but as i write the command sudo vi /etc/bind/named.conf.local and i entered a space to write something,
[13:53] <shally87> i having difficulties to write the command needed.
[13:53] <shally87> anyone know how can i write something over there?
[13:53] <shally87> if i press arrow, it came like "B"
[13:54] <shally87> and i dont know how to save it
[13:54] <suigeneris> press Ins
[13:54] <shally87> owh
[13:54] <shally87> then how to save it?
[13:54] <suigeneris> to save, presss Esc and then w
[13:55] <shally87> ok..thanks..
[13:55] <suigeneris> np
[13:59] <shally87> i got this problem again
[13:59] <shally87> # This is the zone definition for reverse DNS. replace 0.168.192 with your network address in reverse notation - e.g my network address is 192.168.0 zone "0.168.192.in-addr.arpa" {      type master;      file "/etc/bind/zones/rev.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa"; };
[13:59] <shally87> how to get the network address?
[13:59] <shally87> is it the dynamic address?
[13:59] <shally87> given by isp or the address of the router
[14:00] <dnperfors> shally87: it would be easier for you to use nano instead of vi it will behave like you would expect it to :)
[14:00] <shally87> nano?
[14:00] <shally87> how to use it?
[14:01] <shally87> i'm really new in command
[14:01] <dnperfors> Shally87: I guess that that address is for your internal network
[14:01] <dnperfors> nano is a text editor
[14:02] <shally87> owh...my bad of not knowing it
[14:02] <dnperfors> type sudo nano /etc/bind/named.conf.local instead of the one with vi ;)
[14:02] <shally87> internal..then as i'm using switch then the ip should be 192.1681.2
[14:02] <shally87> ok
[14:02] <shally87> thanks
[14:02] <shally87> the ip should be <IP_ADDRESS> is it?
[14:03] <dnperfors> when your ip is <IP_ADDRESS>, than the network address is 192.168.1
[14:04] <shally87> owh..that is the ip for switch..then i guess i just make a trial and error..
[14:04] <shally87> owh..one thing..as i'm comfortable with windows.. how to get the ip or network address of my pc?
[14:05] <shally87>  linux quite new to me
[14:05]  * [gnubie] waves
[14:05] <dnperfors> in Linux? type ifconfig :)
[14:05] <shally87> ok
[14:05] <shally87> thanks
[14:05] <[gnubie]> pardon me, i will be asking for an OT.. i just need your advice..
[14:06] <[gnubie]> if you are going to choose between PaaS/cloud hosting, VPS or Managed Server, which one will you choose? which is more cheaper?
[14:08] <[gnubie]> this is to host your website and you want full control on your web app with more features but pay less..
[14:08] <shally87> vps
[14:13] <shally87> there is this another one thing..
[14:13] <shally87> forwarders {       # Replace the address below with the address of your provider's DNS server       <IP_ADDRESS>; };
[14:13] <shally87> does it means the ISP address?
[14:14] <Deeps> [gnubie]: depends on how much traffic you intend to use
[14:14] <dnperfors> shally87: that means the dns you get from your ISP or any other DNS server address you want to use
[14:15] <Deeps> [gnubie]: you need to work out how much disk space you need, how much traffic you intend to push, and then do your own costing analysis based on your own expected usage patterns
[14:15] <shally87> hmm
[14:15] <shally87> if i dont have one?
[14:15] <Deeps> [gnubie]: and thus, you can compare services like amazon's s3 with vps, managed + dedicated server providers
[14:15] <shally87> is it possible just point it to my pc?
[14:16] <[gnubie]> Deeps: honestly, i don't know what to expect for the traffic.. for the disk space, i don't think it is an issue because let's assume that the web app is like a blog
[14:17] <Deeps> [gnubie]: if you dont know how much traffic you're gonna get, how is anyone else going to know? lol
[14:17] <shally87> [gnubie]: do you just started a blog? or your blog had been known well?
[14:17] <shally87> [gnubie]: when i use blog i just go for shared hosting with cpanel
[14:17] <dnperfors> shally87: you can also leave that one out... basicly it is just saying: forward the request to these servers when I don't know the answer
[14:17] <shally87> you gotta search hosting company
[14:18] <shally87> dnperfors: thanks..i think i gonna use openDNS..does it ok?
[14:18] <[gnubie]> Deeps: i really don't know how to compute the traffic.. what i have here at home and even in the office are unlimited but with a maximum bandwidth for upload/download
[14:19] <[gnubie]> shally87: the blog is an example but yes, about to start
[14:20] <shally87> [gnubie]:  i use lunarpages hosting for around 6 website..and it does well, no bandwith and storage limit.. anyway hostgator is the best if you want to get a cheap hosting just for your site..then you no need to sweat handle the server..for long term if your website gotta do very well, then go for vps or dedicated server..
[14:21] <dnperfors> shally87: yes that will work, I do the same, I use my own server as a cache and to register local addresses and use OpenDNS as backup
[14:21] <shally87> ok
[14:21] <shally87> thanks dnperfors..i going to ask a lot..:-D
[14:22] <[gnubie]> shally87: i just checked serverbeach's basic offer at https://shop.serverbeach.com/product_details.php?id=2551 and it looks cheap.. what do you think?
[14:24] <shally87> wait a sec
[14:24] <[gnubie]> ok
[14:25] <shally87> you going for a dedicated server?
[14:25] <Deeps> [gnubie]: webstats
[14:25] <Deeps> [gnubie]: your webserver should be logging, use something like webalizer, will let you know how much traffic your site's using
[14:26] <shally87> this could be ok for me..but i don't know what pro will say..
[14:27] <shally87> if you were going to have a traffic like johnchow.com or download.com, it is best to get a dedicated server
[14:27] <shally87> that price is reasonable if the site is going to be very popular soon..
[14:28] <shally87> if just for a start go for shared or vps..
[14:28] <shally87> with the price i saw, it could be a dedicated server..
[14:28] <shally87> Student like me wont go for that..just setting up my own small server at home :sweat
[14:30] <shally87> dnperfors: can i put 3 backup ip? 1 to my isp then 2 to open dns
[14:32] <shally87> brb
[14:32] <dnperfors> shally87: I am looking in my configs, and I see that I am not using the forwarder at all :)
[14:32] <[gnubie]> Deeps: yes, using webalizer.. the problem is, i still don't have a website to do a webstats..
[14:33] <shally87> ok thanks dnperfors
[14:33] <dnperfors> shally87: yes that is possible
[14:33] <shally87> i think i just use the one from my isp..just to give a try..
[14:34] <[gnubie]> shally87: so you're saying that the link that i gave you, it was already expensive?
[14:34] <[gnubie]> i checked AWS and i honestly don't understand its computation
[14:35] <Deeps> $99 a month for a dedicated server like that isn't bad, but it's overkill for what you need
[14:35] <Deeps> by the sounds of things, you're starting a new site, it wont have much traffic, something like S3 may be what you need
[14:37] <shally87> [gnubie]: if you just started to host a site, it is better to go for a shared then upgrade to vps then upgrade to dedicated..this will save you a lot of money which you can use for advertising
[14:38] <mathiaz> andol: FYI this is the upstream commit that updates the certificates for the 5.0 branch: http://lists.mysql.com/commits/64296
[14:39] <shally87> [gnubie]:  if you go for vps it could at least support you with more than 1000users daily...and you only pay around usd24 to 40 monthly...
[14:40] <shally87> [gnubie]: making a site so popular takes time..unless your web app is something so unique that you could get it popular in short time..
[14:40] <suigeneris> ScottK, are you up yet?
[14:40] <heath|work> anyone know of a mod_xsendfile package for apache2 ?
[14:41] <shally87> then when you paying a server you gonna thing how long until your site get big and how much storage you could use one time..
[14:41] <shally87> that could be essential thing that you need to save money..
[14:41] <shally87> brb
[14:44] <andol> mathiaz: Nice. I'll take a closer look at it when I get home from work tonight.
[14:44] <shally87> i afraid the one 99 is 99 monthly..
[14:46] <suigeneris> anyone watching postfix users mailing list?
[14:49] <heath|work> When I am reading the apache docs, it is asking me to type httpd -l , but httpd does not exist...
[14:49] <lamont> suigeneris: any particular message, or just generally?
[14:50] <suigeneris> lamont, I have a problem with smtpd.key, I asked about it on postfix users
[14:53] <heath|work> nevermind
[14:55] <suigeneris> heath|work, could be apache2ctl
[14:56] <suigeneris> instead of httpd
[14:56] <heath|work> suigeneris, it is thanks... do you know how I am supposed to install apxs for apache?
[14:57] <suigeneris> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/servers/61842-how-install-apxs-apache.html
[14:58] <shally87> there is another this thing
[14:58] <shally87> // Replace the following line as necessary: // ns1 = DNS Server name // mta = mail server name // example.com = domain name example.com.      IN      NS              ns1.example.com. example.com.      IN      MX     10       mta.example.com.
[14:58] <suigeneris> heath|work, what distro?
[14:59] <shally87> is it the DNS server name is anything i like?
[14:59] <suigeneris> lamont, can you help me with that?
[15:00] <heath|work> suigeneris, 8.04
[15:00] <suigeneris> ubuntu, right
[15:01] <shally87> owh..stop with that
[15:01] <heath|work> yes, ubuntu 8.04,
[15:02] <heath|work> with what?
[15:02] <shally87> mm, could i use the domain if i set it as a dns server domain?
[15:02] <dnperfors> shally87: sort of, yes...
[15:02] <shally87> with what i ask earlier
[15:02] <shally87> ok..
[15:02] <shally87> thanks again
[15:03] <heath|work> suigeneris, I just read that the tool is included in apache2-threaded-dev
[15:04] <heath|work> I guess I will give that a whirl
[15:12] <shally87> i got this problem..how do i know this?
[15:12] <shally87> Replace the IP address with the right IP addresses. www              IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS> mta              IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS> ns1              IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:12] <shally87> www              IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:13] <shally87> mta              IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:13] <shally87> ns1              IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:13] <shally87> how do i get this in my pc/
[15:26] <dnperfors> shally87: you need to specify all the hosts you want to specify, for example: router IN A <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:26] <dnperfors> basicly you should know the ip address and assign a host name to it...
[15:26] <dnperfors> this only works when those machines have a static ip
[15:38] <shally87> ok..tq
[15:40] <shally87> does anyone got the original file for /etc/bind/named.conf .. could you copy and paste in the pastebin?
[15:54] <shally87> i got this porblem
[15:55] <shally87> do my dns server need to be different than my LAMP server?
[15:56] <[gnubie]> shally87: thanks.. sorry for my late reply..
[15:56]  * [gnubie] waves.. gtg now.. thanks..
[15:56] <shally87> ok//bye
[16:05] <BBHoss> does anyone know if iptables will forward out on the same interface that it recieved a packet?
[16:16] <soren> BBHoss: Iptables doesn't do routing.
[16:16] <BBHoss> i know
[16:16] <BBHoss> but will it forward it out
[16:17] <soren> You are asking a question about routing.
[16:17] <BBHoss> if i have the router on <IP_ADDRESS> and i have a forward rule to go to <IP_ADDRESS>, and both are on eth0, will it send the packet to <IP_ADDRESS>, assuming the routes are setup correctly
[16:17] <soren> iptables doesn't decide on the interface through which a package gets routed.
[16:17] <soren> Your eth0 has both addresses?
[16:18] <BBHoss> what i'm trying to do is test my rules to make sure it forwards it to the right place
[16:18] <BBHoss> .1 and .169 are on the same network
[16:19] <BBHoss> but eventually they won't be
[16:19] <soren> You will have to elaborate on that. :)
[16:19] <soren> How are you doing your subnetting?
[16:19] <BBHoss> \/24
[16:19] <soren> Then they are going to be on the same network.
[16:19] <BBHoss> right, i know that
[16:19] <BBHoss> eventually packets will come in on a separate interface
[16:20] <BBHoss> which is not on the same network (physically) or subnet-wise
[16:21] <BBHoss> i have -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 9090 -j DNAT --to-destination <IP_ADDRESS>:9090 inside the nat, and -A ufw-before-forward -p tcp --dport 9090 -j ACCEPT  in the before-filter chain
[16:22] <BBHoss> however if i run an nc listener on .169:9090, and then try to nc <IP_ADDRESS>:9090, it won't connect
[16:23] <BBHoss> but its not blocking it, the logs would show it, because it was before i added a rule to the before-forward chain
[16:23] <soren> Which machine has the rules?
[16:23] <BBHoss> .1
[16:23] <BBHoss> thats the router/nat device
[16:24] <BBHoss> i have forwarding enabled in sysctl as well
[16:24] <soren> And from whence are you conducting your tests?
[16:24] <BBHoss> .169
[16:24] <soren> Yeah, that's not going to work.
[16:24] <BBHoss> ok would it work from another ip?
[16:25] <BBHoss> on the same network?
[16:25] <soren> Your problem is this:
[16:25] <soren> .169 is accessing .1, but the responses are coming from .169..
[16:25] <BBHoss> ahh i see
[16:25] <soren> ...so it doesn't know that it's related to the same connection.
[16:26] <soren> If you were outside the NAT, and you had a different rule that did the translation, that would be fine.
[16:26] <soren> "the translation" == the NATing.
[16:26] <BBHoss> ok so i have to be outside the nat to test it
[16:26] <soren> Assuming your NATing is set up correctly, yes.
[16:27] <BBHoss> http://pasternak.superalloy.nl/pastes/1357 is how i am doing NAT
[16:28] <soren> BBHoss: Does that work?
[16:28] <soren> "-o eth1" looks odd (from the very little I know about your network setup)
[16:28] <BBHoss> don't know, haven't tried it yet with eth1
[16:28] <BBHoss> eth1 will be the wan interface though
[16:28] <soren> Oh, blah, you're right.
[16:28] <soren> My bad.
[16:30] <BBHoss> see i was trying to prevent me being required to setup a full-fledged test lab, but i guess i have to :)
[16:30] <BBHoss> well thanks for your help, bbl
[16:35] <soren> BBHoss: Cheers.
[18:22] <quizme_> hello, my mysql didn't start
[18:22] <quizme_> where are the logs for mysql ?
[18:22] <quizme_> they are empty in /var/log/mysql.*
[18:23] <zoopster> quizme_: /var/log/mysql - however you may want to look at /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog for more details...
[18:25] <quizme_> zoopster: i didn't find anything revealing there.  What's the command to start up mysql?
[18:26] <quizme_> zoopster: i did /etc/init.d/mysql start
[18:26] <quizme_> but that didn't seem to work
[18:27] <zoopster> quizme_: that is the correct one...grep the syslog for mysql messages..if it doesn't start there will be a message in there
[18:29] <quizme_> zoopster: okay i'll look again at the syslogs
[18:33] <quizme_> zoopster: found some!  Feb  2 18:32:11 domU-12-31-39-00-52-27 postfix/trivial-rewrite[25587]: fatal: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_domains.cf(0,lock|fold_fix): table lookup problem
[18:34] <redLAW> hello to all
[18:34] <zoopster> quizme_: but that is a postfix issue...seems it cannot find the table it needs
[18:35] <redLAW> I'm doing 8.04 LTS setup and i wanted to ask is there any good howto for making gateway with 2 nic
[18:35] <quizme_> zoopster: hmm.... weird
[18:36] <quizme_> zoopster: so how can i create the table, if i can't start mysql ?
[18:36] <quizme_> zoopster: maybe i should stop the postfix service?
[18:37] <zoopster> quizme_: first things first...try to start mysql again and either have another window watching syslog (tailf /var/log/syslog) or tail it after you have attempted a start
[18:37] <zoopster> it logs starts and stops
[18:37] <quizme_> zoopster: i know what you mean
[18:37] <quizme_> zoopster: i'll try that
[18:40] <quizme_> zoopster: http://pastie.org/377533
[18:43] <quizme_> how do i make a socket exist? /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[18:46] <zoopster> quizme_: look above that line... it doesn't like skip-federated
[18:46] <quizme_> zoopster: why is it doing that ?
[18:47] <zoopster> not sure...I am using 8.10 with 5.0.67-0ubuntu6 and that line is in my "my.cnf"
[18:47] <zoopster> but I don't see that problem
[18:47] <quizme_> zoopster: btw, i'm not sure if i did this right:  apt-get install libmysqlclient15-dev  ?
[18:48] <quizme_> i was messing with that
[18:48] <quizme_> then i did a  "gem install mysql"
[18:48] <quizme_> does that have anything to do with it ?
[18:49] <zoopster> quizme_: possibly, but that client lib *SHOULD* work...
[18:49] <zoopster> do a dpkg -l |grep myql and see what is installed
[18:49] <zoopster> is this 8.10 or 8.04?
[18:50] <jrwren> quizme_: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock is created by the mysql server when you start it.
[18:50] <quizme_> 8.04
[18:50] <jrwren> quizme_: does your /etc/mysql/my.cnf have socket          = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock in the [mysqld_safe] section?
[18:51] <quizme_> zoopster:  dpkg -l |grep myql   comes up empty handed
[18:51] <zoopster> quizme_: as in NOTHING?...you have to have something in there
[18:51] <zoopster> jrwren: the problem is that mysql_safe is choking on --skip-federated
[18:51] <quizme_> zoopster: oh i mispelled it
[18:51] <maxb> Perhaps "mysql" not "myql" ?
[18:52] <quizme_> jrwren: not sure hold on plz
[18:52] <zoopster> yea...I mispelled it...sorry
[18:52] <quizme_> making pastie
[18:53] <quizme_> i love pasties
[18:53] <quizme_> http://pastie.org/377551
[18:54] <quizme_> zoopster: http://pastie.org/377551
[18:55] <jrwren> quizme_: can you pastebin your /etc/mysql/my.cnf ?
[18:55] <quizme_> jrwren: yes it does.  i just check it.  i'll paste it
[18:56] <zoopster> jrwren: here is his pastebin from start up http://pastie.org/377533
[18:57] <quizme_> jrwren: http://pastie.org/377555
[18:57] <jrwren> yeah, its almost like the /etc/mysql/my.cnf has --skip-federated instead of just skip-federated in it.
[18:57] <jrwren> but it doesn't.
[18:58] <quizme_> is it serious ?
[18:58] <quizme_> i feel like you guys are doctors trying to diagnose me with some fatal disease.
[18:59] <jrwren> zoopster might know a lot more than me.
[18:59] <jrwren> quizme_: its very strange.
[18:59] <zoopster> heh
[18:59] <jrwren> i have the same package versions installed.
[18:59] <zoopster> quizme_: verify you are starting mysql with /etc/init.d/mysql start
[19:00] <jrwren> quizme_: what is the results of an md5sum on /usr/sbin/mysqld ?  does it look like this? http://pastie.org/377557
[19:00] <quizme_> oh crap
[19:00] <quizme_> i think i may have mixed up computers
[19:00] <quizme_> local vs remote
[19:00] <quizme_> .....
[19:01] <quizme_> lets' start with dpkg
[19:01] <jrwren> rofl
[19:02] <quizme_> http://pastie.org/377561  #  dpkg
[19:03] <zoopster> ok...so that tells us something
[19:03] <zoopster> and your my.cnf for that box?
[19:04] <quizme_> i'm back
[19:04] <quizme_> let me get that
[19:04] <zoopster> quizme_: skip-federated was added in .67
[19:05] <quizme_> http://pastie.org/377564  # my.cnf
[19:05] <jrwren> it looks like you are in the middle of upgrading that thing.
[19:05] <quizme_> btw
[19:06] <quizme_> oh
[19:06] <jrwren> mysql-server pkg is 5.0.67, but mysql-server-5.0 is version 5.0.51a
[19:06] <quizme_> so
[19:06] <quizme_> what should i do ?
[19:06] <jrwren> I'd run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[19:06] <quizme_> sometimes i type in random apt-get commands
[19:07] <quizme_> from the internet
[19:07] <quizme_> lol
[19:07] <quizme_> ok, i just did that apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[19:08] <quizme_> but it's hanging here: 99% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]
[19:10] <quizme_> are u guys there ?
[19:10] <jrwren> ready and waiting to try to help.
[19:10] <quizme_> it's upgrading still
[19:11] <quizme_> lots of stuff is going on
[19:11] <quizme_> am i upgrading to 8.10 now ?
[19:11] <jrwren> no
[19:11] <jrwren> unless you previously told it to do so.
[19:11] <quizme_> i don't think i did
[19:12] <quizme_> it's updating massive stuff
[19:12] <quizme_> i thought myssytem was uptodate already
[19:14] <quizme_> i'm starting to like vi
[19:15] <quizme_> why do u guys sit here an help people?
[19:18] <jrwren> quizme_: because we love linux and ubuntu.
[19:20] <zoopster> it's a great reason to procrastinate real work
[19:20] <zoopster> :-D
[19:20] <quizme_> i see
[19:22] <quizme_> are u guys sysadmins?
[19:22] <quizme_> or programmers?
[19:22] <quizme_> or both?
[19:24] <quizme_> i love watching linux update itself
[19:24] <quizme_> it's like watching ocean waves
[19:26] <quizme_> u know humans are becoming part of an organism
[19:27] <zoopster> I pretend to administer systems in my spare time
[19:27] <zoopster> I manage a bunch of software vendors
[19:28] <quizme_> ok it's done updating finaally
[19:28] <quizme_> shoudl i do mysqld start?
[19:29] <quizme_> or /etc/init.d/mysql start
[19:29] <quizme_> or ps -a | grep mysqld ?
[19:30] <quizme_> hey it worked!
[19:30] <quizme_> thanks!
[19:30] <quizme_> oh man i'm happy
[19:30] <quizme_> thanks
[19:30] <quizme_> now i can go to sleep
[19:30] <quizme_> zoopster: i owe you a beer
[19:31] <quizme_> jrwren: i owe you a beer too
[19:31] <quizme_> have a good night!
[19:31] <jrwren> i'll take you up on that.
[19:31] <quizme_> i'm in Manila
[19:31] <quizme_> philippines
[19:31] <quizme_> swing by :)
[19:31] <jrwren> when i visit there.
[19:31] <quizme_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:31] <quizme_> see ya
[19:31] <quizme_> good night
[19:31] <zoopster> quizme_: cool...will do that some time..glad that work
[19:31] <zoopster> see ya
[19:32] <redLAW> I watched your work here... it is fantastic!
[19:35] <zoopster> redLAW: saw your q - did you search your favorite search engine - there are many how-tos on that subject
[19:36] <redLAW> i found sth
[19:36] <redLAW> basicaly
[19:36] <redLAW> i want to host
[19:36] <redLAW> my website at home and yet have gateway for home
[19:36] <redLAW> is it possbile with custom dns at dyndns service
[19:36] <zoopster> redLAW: I do that with ubuntu server myself
[19:37] <zoopster> redLAW: yes it is...I happen to have a static ip that I use
[19:37] <redLAW> i have dynamnic IP only
[19:37] <redLAW> avalible
[19:37] <zoopster> redLAW: you may violate your TOS, but it can and is being done regularly
[19:38] <redLAW> how do u mean TOS
[19:39] <jrwren> redLAW: many US isps once prohibited inet sharing like that, but most allow it now.
[19:39] <redLAW> I;m in Europe
[19:39] <jrwren> redLAW: you say "gateway", but what you really want is internet connection sharing, like NAT?
[19:40] <redLAW> yes
[19:40] <jrwren> the iptables oneliner will work.
[19:40] <jrwren> redLAW: I don't know the "ubuntu-way" for that.
[19:41] <redLAW> can you recommend me something
[19:41] <redLAW> to start
[19:42] <jrwren> modprobe iptable_nat ; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE ;echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[19:42] <jrwren> change ppp0 to the network interface that is your outside (internet?) interface.
[19:42] <redLAW> ok
[19:42] <redLAW> ok
[19:42] <jrwren> you will need to do that every time you reboot, so maybe place it all in /etc/rc.local.
[19:43] <zoopster> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS has some info...
[19:43] <jrwren> see also : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[19:43] <redLAW> ok
[19:43] <redLAW> i will do best
[19:43] <redLAW> i found
[19:43] <redLAW> clarkconnect
[19:44] <redLAW> but somehow
[19:44] <redLAW> that project is closed
[19:44] <redLAW> i want freedom
[19:47] <zoopster> redLAW: you can do it all yourself if you have the patience and time...it's fun to learn
[19:47] <redLAW> yes i have patience
[19:47] <zoopster> projects like clarkconnect and amahi just package it up for you
[19:47] <redLAW> yes
[19:47] <redLAW> i want to learn
[19:47] <zoopster> all of the basic parts are there in ubuntu
[19:48] <redLAW> how that parts work
[19:48] <redLAW> together
[19:48] <zoopster> help.ubuntu.com is a great place to start
[19:48] <redLAW> ok
[19:48] <zoopster> there are many books on the matter...but plenty of howto's...do some searching and you'll find lots of info
[19:48] <zoopster> if you get stumped...ask here...there is always someone around that can help
[19:49] <redLAW> :)
[20:10] <ScottK> suigeneris: I am around now (day went differently than I thought).
[20:16] <Kartagis> ScottK, I am home now and I am Kartagis
[20:17] <Kartagis> so, shall we start? first off, what kind of information do you want from me?
[20:19] <Kartagis> your day wasn't bad I hope
[20:23] <ScottK> Kartagis: Not bad, just different.
[20:24] <ScottK> Paste me the command you were using to make your certs.
[20:25] <piquadrat> Hi! I put this command in root's crontab: "47 2 * * * /usr/sbin/ftplicity backup". But ftplicity is never invoked. When I start ftplicity manually, everything works. What am I doing wrong?
[20:26] <Kartagis> just a sec, trying to find that page
[20:27] <Kartagis> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[20:27] <Kartagis> this was the page ScottK
[20:30] <ScottK> Kartagis: That's way different than I do it.  Let me try and write something up tonight.
[20:30] <ScottK> sommer: Did you validiate the TLS key creation in ^^^
[20:30] <Kartagis> thank you ScottK
[20:32] <sommer> ScottK: It's always worked for me in the past
[20:32] <sommer> ScottK: thanks for the ping the other day, unfortunetly I haven't had time to work on that yet
[20:32] <sommer> should have time this week though
[20:37] <axisys> anyone here successfully installed ubuntu on t1000?
[20:38] <Jeeves_> Yes
[20:38] <axisys> i tried hardy sparc64 and intrepid sparc boot image .. both failed at disk detection
[20:38] <Jeeves_> axisys: It's easy
[20:38] <Jeeves_> It was with hardy, though
[20:38] <axisys> Jeeves_: let me share my issue ..
[20:39] <axisys> i just posted it on mailing list with subject 'ubuntu install failed to install on t1000'
[20:40] <axisys> Jeeves_: mine is failing like this http://pastebin.com/d6c31c0bd
[20:40] <axisys> Jeeves_: i am using this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Sparc
[20:40] <Kartagis> t1000, is that a more evil model than t888?
[20:41] <axisys> basically network-boot-arguments is where I am declaring the image path and all and then just boot net...
[20:41] <Jeeves_> axisys: Maybe intrepid is broken on sparc?
[20:41] <axisys> Jeeves_: i tried with hardy sparc64 too
[20:41] <ivoks> axisys: i did on TI UltraSparc IIIi
[20:41] <axisys> ivoks: t1000 is of that category ?
[20:41] <ivoks> axisys: i don't know :/
[20:42] <axisys> ivoks: i can check real quick
[20:42] <ivoks> this was sun fire v240
[20:42] <ivoks> i think this was an old machine
[20:43] <ivoks> it surely doesn't have 8 cores :D
[20:43] <ivoks> it's from pre-core era :D
[20:43] <ivoks> maybe 2 :)
[20:44] <axisys> Jeeves_: it is failing like this http://pastebin.com/d6692949a for hardy sparc64 boot img here http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/hardy-updates/main/installer-sparc/current/images/sparc64/netboot/2.6/
[20:45] <Jeeves_> axisys: i've got no clue than
[20:45] <Jeeves_> hardy worked fine for me'
[20:45] <axisys> ivoks: UltraSPARC-T1 is t1000
[20:45] <ivoks> axisys: i used http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/8.04.1/release/ubuntu-8.04.1-server-sparc.iso
[20:46] <axisys> ivoks: t1000 does not have a cdrom
[20:46] <ivoks> oh
[20:46] <ivoks> stupid manufacturers :)
[20:46] <ivoks> ok, let's see what can we do
[20:46] <axisys> would be nice if i could point to the iso contents like solaris
[20:47] <axisys> ivoks: :-)
[20:47] <axisys> in solaris i mount the iso and run setup_install_server followed by add_install_client and then on the client boot net - install.. and thats it
[20:48] <axisys> that is how i installed solaris on this t1000
[20:49] <ivoks> on linux you have dhcp and tcpd
[20:50] <axisys> ivoks: u mean tftp ? so setup a dhcp and then point to iso ?
[20:50] <ivoks> ok
[20:50] <ivoks> i found an old conversation
[20:50] <axisys> ivoks: i think u sent a link to me before..
[20:51] <ivoks> did you power down your machine after running solaris?
[20:51] <axisys> ivoks: yeah ..heh
[20:51] <axisys> ivoks: yes.
[20:51] <ivoks> let's do that again :)
[20:51] <axisys> ivoks: i can't find the conversation :-(
[20:51] <axisys> ivoks: i just remember u were trying to help
[20:51] <ivoks> power of t1000
[20:51] <ivoks> power it on
[20:52] <axisys> ivoks: ok
[20:52] <ivoks> enter open firmware and run check boot?
[20:52] <axisys> poweroff
[20:52] <axisys> Are you sure you want to power off the system [y/n]?  y
[20:52] <axisys> from SC>
[20:52] <ivoks> setenv auto-boot false
[20:52] <axisys> SC Alert: SC Request to Power Off Host
[20:52] <axisys> ivoks: ok.. as soon as I bring it back on
[20:53] <Kartagis> ScottK, I am here
[20:55] <ivoks> axisys: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2006/05/27/%23ubuntu-ports.txt look for TPC and follow the conversation
[20:58] <ivoks> axisys: you might ask this on #ubuntu-ports too
[21:00] <axisys> ivoks: this converstaion seems like how to build an image
[21:01] <ivoks> axisys: but it starts with your problem
[21:01] <Kartagis> ScottK, are you there?
[21:01] <axisys> ivoks: yes..
[21:03] <ivoks> axisys: have you tried with 6.06?
[21:04] <axisys> ivoks: not yet..
[21:05] <ivoks> i have 8.04 on TI UltraSparc II and TI UltraSparc IIIi
[21:06] <ivoks> yes, the first one is almost a decade old :)
[21:06] <ivoks> still, great as slave DNS :)
[21:23] <ScottK> Kartagis: I'm here now.
[21:25] <ivoks> half an hour later 'Kartagis: ScottK where are you?'
[21:25] <ScottK> I guess he went to bed.
[23:44] <Bangers1> I'm doing "sar -A 3 3 | tr -s ' ' ',' > /tmp/tmp.csv" -- BUT it's NOT putting it all on one line.  How can I do that?
[23:44] <Bangers1> A multi generic line CSV isnt very helpful :)


[14:06] <mup> Bug #1950792 opened: No boot possible - Cannot open root device <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950792>
[14:12] <mup> Bug #1950792 changed: No boot possible - Cannot open root device <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950792>
[14:15] <BLZbubba>  hi guys is this the place for ubuntu maas questions?
[14:15] <mup> Bug #1950792 opened: No boot possible - Cannot open root device <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950792>
[14:18] <mup> Bug #1950792 changed: No boot possible - Cannot open root device <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950792>
[14:24] <mup> Bug #1950792 opened: No boot possible - Cannot open root device <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950792>
[14:28] <BLZbubba> i'll take that as a "yes"
[14:29] <BLZbubba> is it possible to manage qemu VM - if so what do I use in place of pxe?
[14:29] <BLZbubba> er in place of ipmi
[14:40] <BLZbubba> oh nice there is a virsh option
[22:07] <mup> Bug #1950827 opened: Adding a LXD cluster with MAAS running in snap results in an individual host and cluster <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950827>
[22:13] <mup> Bug #1950827 changed: Adding a LXD cluster with MAAS running in snap results in an individual host and cluster <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950827>
[22:16] <mup> Bug #1950827 opened: Adding a LXD cluster with MAAS running in snap results in an individual host and cluster <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950827>


[00:08] <persia> lifeless: That helped some.  DragAcceptFiles had no matches.  Drag and SDL_ACTIVEEVENTS have 85 common matches.  Thanks.
[00:09] <lifeless> de nada
[03:33] <wgrant> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20100407-lucid.html is now updating hourly from the in-progress archive rebuild.
[03:40] <wgrant> Now http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/test-rebuild-20100407/.
[03:42] <micahg> wgrant: I'm curious, were the rebuilds on udd not sufficient?
[03:47] <wgrant> micahg: An LP rebuild was started yesterday.
[03:48] <wgrant> lucas' don't cover them.
[03:50] <wgrant> (I don't know why it was started; I just organised the report)
[03:56] <micahg> wgrant: ok
[04:16]  * ScottK thinks it's because there's a item in the Beta release checklist to do it.
[04:16] <wgrant> Maybe London's a bit cold and needs a buildfarm of heaters.
[04:22] <lifeless> very cold - gulf stream moved, no ?
[05:02] <fabrice_sp> Linux000: got 5 minutes?
[05:07] <Linux000> Sure
[05:07] <Linux000> fabrice_sp: Sure
[05:07] <fabrice_sp> cool :-)
[05:08] <fabrice_sp> Linux000: it's about the DEP-3 header: it has to go into the patch you created, not as the header of the debdiff
[05:09] <Linux000> Ahh, then I've probably been uploading patches wrong too, the patch is the debdiff, right?
[05:10] <fabrice_sp> oh: I've just seen that you didn't do a patch with your change, but a direct source change. As the package uses quilt, you need to create a patch for that
[05:10] <fabrice_sp> the debdiff is a kind of patch, yes :-) I was speaking about the change in glock.py
[05:11] <Linux000> Okay, so how would I make the patch for this?
[05:11] <fabrice_sp> do you know how to use quilt?
[05:12] <Linux000> not really
[05:14] <fabrice_sp> ok. You first need to add a patch to the list pf patches managed by quilt. This is done by running 'quilt new <patch-name>'
[05:14] <fabrice_sp> as patch-name, check in debian/patches what are the name that are used
[05:14] <fabrice_sp> and use something similar
[05:15] <alkisg> Hi all. I'm the developer of a project with various files; shell scripts, images, desktop files etc, and it also has some python modules & executables. Could someone propose to me a similar package that I could use as a template to package mine?
[05:16] <fabrice_sp> Linux000: for example fix_glock_error.diff
[05:17] <Linux000> fabrice_sp: Thanks, trying to be short is not a strong point
[05:17] <fabrice_sp> Linux000: what do you mean?
[05:18] <fabrice_sp> alkisg: I don't have any in mind right now
[05:18] <alkisg> Thank you. Someone else?
[05:18] <Linux000> the name I was going for was to long for comfort
[05:19] <fabrice_sp> Linux000: ok :-) The name doesn't need to be long, as you will have a header in the patch that will explain it
[05:20] <Linux000> okay
[05:22] <fabrice_sp> alkisg: aubio ?
[05:22] <alkisg> fabrice_sp: no, no audio
[05:23] <alkisg> aah, aubio? heh
[05:23] <alkisg> OK, looking...
[05:24] <alkisg> (basically what I'm looking for is a simple, nice packaged package that also has some python modules included - I can mostly do the rest of the stuff...)
[05:25] <Linux000> pychess has python modules, if you need an example of that
[05:25] <ScottK> alkisg: If it's just the python stuff, pypolicyd-spf.
[05:25] <ScottK> Although if I were doing it now, I'd use debhelper 7 and not CDBS.
[05:26]  * alkisg is using debhelper 6 atm...
[05:27] <ScottK> Then pypolicyd-spf is not a bad basis for Python stuff.
[05:27] <alkisg> Thank you all, /me looks...
[05:27] <ScottK> You could also look at pyspf for an example of multiple binary packages.
[05:28] <alkisg> Hmm yeah, that would be useful as well, I do need 2 binary packages.
[05:29] <Linux000> fabrice_sp: I have the new patch in quilt and my source, do I add the file(glock.py) to the patch, then patch it, or vice-versa
[05:32] <fabrice_sp> yes: you first need a clean glock.py file, and then, you can add you file, patch it again, and use quit refresh to add the modifications to the patch
[05:32] <Linux000> great
[05:34] <fabrice_sp> when done, you just have to add at the beginning of the patch, the header you want
[05:37] <fabrice_sp> Linux000: by the way, origin should point to the svn commit entry with
[05:37] <fabrice_sp> s/with//
[05:37] <Linux000> should this patch also have the changelog updated?
[05:40] <fabrice_sp> you should name the patch in the changelog, like 'fix_glock_error.diff: fix .... (LP: #534761)'
[05:40] <fabrice_sp> with the LP: stuff, the bug report will be fixed as soon as the fix will be uploaded and accepted into the archive
[05:40] <fabrice_sp> makr as fixed, I mean
[05:41] <Linux000> fabrice_sp: Where can I find the svn, and with what?
[05:42] <fabrice_sp> Linux000: http://code.google.com/p/pychess/source/browse/
[05:42] <fabrice_sp> and browsing by source, you will find the commit that makes this change. Let me check
[05:46] <fabrice_sp> Linux000: seems to be this one: http://code.google.com/p/pychess/source/detail?r=1653
[05:47] <Linux000> Okay, I see now, that goes in as origin, also, how do I get the file from quilt? I can't seem to find it.
[05:49] <fabrice_sp> you don't have it created in debian/patches ?
[05:49] <Linux000> from the root of the source tree, I ran '
[05:49] <Linux000> '
[05:49] <Linux000> sorry
[05:49] <Linux000> i ran quilt new glock_error_fix.diff
[05:50] <fabrice_sp> then you ran "quilt add lib/pychess/System/glock.py" ?
[05:50] <Linux000> yes
[05:51] <fabrice_sp> made modifications to the file and ran quilt refresh ?
[05:51] <Linux000> yes
[05:51] <fabrice_sp> so it should be in debian/patches
[05:51] <fabrice_sp> hmm, what is the value of QUILT_PATCHES variable?
[05:52] <fabrice_sp> by default, patches goes into patches and not debian/patches, IIRC
[05:52] <Linux000> How would I find that?
[05:52] <Linux000> NVM, I found it, it was under patches, not debian/patches
[05:53] <fabrice_sp> ok: that's why you need to set QUILT_PATCHES to debian/patches next time
[05:53] <Linux000> understood
[05:53] <fabrice_sp> so you need to move the patch to debian/patches
[05:53] <fabrice_sp> and update the series file
[05:54] <Linux000> Ok
[05:54] <fabrice_sp> and delete the roo patches directory, to avoid having it in the debdiff twice
[05:55] <Linux000> so, that patch file gets the headers and is uploaded to lauchpad?
[05:57] <fabrice_sp> you can upload the patch to launchpad, or generate a debdiff between your package and the actual one and uplaod it to launchpad. The latter is prefered from a sponsor point of view as it's less work :-)
[05:57] <Linux000> debdiff the compiled package, right?
[05:59] <fabrice_sp> the source package
[05:59] <Linux000> Good, my computer just got wiped (some mountall error in lucid) so I have no cdbs, devscripts, or anything
[05:59] <fabrice_sp> what sponsors do is download the actual source, review and apply the debdiff, and if ok, upload the resulting source package
[06:00] <Linux000> ok, I thought the built packages were uploaded to the repository
[06:00] <fabrice_sp> Linux000: I have a dual boot for that reason :-) (and looking after kvm right now)
[06:01] <Linux000> I had windows, so I lucked out and got ubuntu back, I needed a reminder as to why I use ubuntu:)
[06:02] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[06:02] <fabrice_sp> no windows at all here: only live-usb's to recover things :-)
[06:02] <fabrice_sp> (and dual boot now!)
[06:02] <fabrice_sp> with karmic
[06:04] <Linux000> Well, I wish I could get rid of windows, but I also program some WAGO PLC's and they need windows to program, and oddly enough, my debian touchscreen wants a windows IDE
[06:05] <Linux000> How would I get the debdiff of the source?
[06:06] <fabrice_sp> you have to generate a dsc file first with debuild -S
[06:06] <Linux000> ahh, okay
[06:06] <fabrice_sp> and then debdiff the 2 dsc files
[06:06] <Linux000> I don't have to sign it, right?
[06:06] <fabrice_sp> no
[06:09] <Linux000> this will have to wait until tomorrow, to late for me, it should be up around 4~5 CST
[06:09] <fabrice_sp> np: I have to go to work now :-)
[07:06] <micahg> siretart: will you be looking into the vlc build failure, bjsnider gave me a patch earlier which I was going to try over the weekend to port it to xul192
[07:09] <siretart> micahg: I just noticed the build failure, but am currently very short on time
[07:09] <siretart> micahg: if you could just fix it, that would be really great!
[07:09] <micahg> siretart: ok, so I'll take it then
[07:09] <siretart> thanks
[07:15] <micahg> siretart: critical?
[07:16] <dholbach> good morning
[07:18] <siretart> micahg: without having it fixed, we cannot do any updates, including security and other important updates. I consider that pretty critical
[07:19] <micahg> siretart: it's a universe package...that's the same for any other FTBFS
[07:19] <siretart> micahg: oh, are severities now distro global (again)? did I miss something? - anyways, feel free to downgrade
[07:20] <micahg> siretart: maybe I'm missing something idk
[07:20] <siretart> I wanted this bug to appear at the top of the vlc bugs
[07:21] <micahg> siretart: does MOTU have different severity settings as opposed to triagers (like status)?
[07:21] <siretart> micahg: I hope not
[07:22] <micahg> siretart: it would seem then it's not severe until we need an update...I'm going to throw up a test build tonight
[09:53] <xteejx> bug 559054, can someone take a look at this please, think there's dependency problems with the new metacity package
[09:55] <xteejx> may affect upgrading users to beta 2
[09:57] <joaopinto> xteejx, I believe that is a known issue already being looked at
[09:57] <xteejx> ahh ok joaopinto, didn't see a duplicate in LP thought it wasn't made aware
[11:56] <pmcenery> Hi motu's. I filed this one this morning in the hope that it is seen as important enough to be included. bug #558946
[11:56] <pmcenery> After a long slog... I have finally managed to get the package sponsored.
[11:57] <hyperair> doesn't look sponsored to me.
[11:57] <pmcenery> Do we have any MOTU's with iPhones to be able to test it?
[11:57] <pmcenery> Sorry... Debian sponsored.
[11:58] <hyperair> aah i see.
[11:59] <pmcenery> You dont need a sponsor for a sync from what I can tell. Or do you?
[11:59] <hyperair> you do.
[11:59] <hyperair> but first you need the FFe acked.
[11:59] <hyperair> go poke some #ubuntu-release people =)
[11:59] <pmcenery> I guess it would need someone with an iPhone to test. Do we have MOTU's with such evil devices?
[12:00]  * hyperair shrugs
[12:00] <pmcenery> hyperair: thanks. Will give it a try
[12:00] <hyperair> i've got friends with them, and i wouldn't be opposed to getting one myself, if i didn't already have a good, working phone already.
[12:04] <pmcenery> hyperair: understood. I'm not religious about them as some people are. I have one, it works, and ipheth works quite well, so I thought I'd package it up properly.
[12:05] <pmcenery> A google of popcon and ipheth shows that my PPA package has been quite popular
[12:07] <hyperair> pmcenery: i'd imagine so.
[12:07] <hyperair> pmcenery: and i saw your RFS on debian-mentors sometime back. congrats on getting it into debian =)
[12:07] <hyperair> i know how hard it is, first hand.
[12:08] <pmcenery> hyperair: lol. Yes. It seems that once you have worked with a couple of DD's, it gets easier. They come to trust your work...
[12:09] <hyperair> pmcenery: yes, of course. it's the same everywhere
[12:09] <hyperair> pmcenery: also, it's easier to get things that have a team with DDs watching over the set of packages
[12:09] <hyperair> e.g. CLI packages are easy to get in as we've got two DDs in the team
[12:09] <hyperair> python packages are also fairly easy to get in
[12:13] <pmcenery> hyperair: Yes. I ended up joining the debian-perl team during the process of getting slimrat sponsored. Although in the end I had a non perl DD sponsor me. The perl team were not too interested in sponsoring apps, only modules.
[12:16] <hyperair> heh i see.
[12:16] <pmcenery> I'll hang around here a while... hopefully someone will be brave!
[12:16] <hyperair> i would if i had an iphone =\
[12:16] <hyperair> feel like donating one to me? ;-)
[12:18] <pmcenery> lol. I've only got one. And I think the wife will be getting it when I get the next one...
[12:19] <pmcenery> Well, next phone! Not guarantee it will be an iPhone
[12:19] <hyperair> heheh
[12:31] <Aquina> can someone lend me an ear? It's because I started to use Bazaar with Launchpad.
[13:15] <joaopinto> anyone experienced with reprepro ?
[13:21] <Rhonda> joaopinto: Just ask your question - that will get you a better propability of helpful answers. :)
[13:21] <joaopinto> except that I maybe talking to the wind ;)
[13:21] <joaopinto> the reprepro man page is not very clear
[13:21] <Rhonda> You may that even if someone claims to be experienced with $foo.
[13:21] <joaopinto> is copysrc expected to copy also the source package ?
[13:22] <Rhonda> Actually it doesn't "copy" anything, the package stays in the pool at the same place. It just "copies" the medatdata in its database and the Sources file.
[13:23] <joaopinto> right, I am refering to the meta data
[13:24] <joaopinto> is it expected to copy the source metatada to the target release Sources file ?
[13:24] <Rhonda> I would very much think so that that's its job, yes.
[13:24] <Rhonda> Though an reprepro export run afterwards never can hurt.
[13:25] <joaopinto> no, according to the man page its job is to copy packages whose source (Source:?) match the specified name
[13:25] <joaopinto> it does so for binary packages produce from a given source, but is not clear if it does or should do the same for the source package
[13:25] <joaopinto> produced
[13:26] <Rhonda> It doesn't "every package be it dsc, deb or udeb"
[13:27] <Rhonda> The dsc part is pretty clear source package. :)
[13:27] <Rhonda> s/It doesn't //
[13:28] <joaopinto> ok :P
[14:01] <mhall119> jdstrand: are you around?
[14:02] <jdstrand> mhall119: yes
[14:02] <mhall119> jdstrand: is there anything you need to get a FFe for the other 2 qimo packages?
[14:02] <mhall119> qimo-games isn't terribly useful on it's own
[14:03] <jdstrand> mhall119: they all need an FFe. I think it would be fine to have them all in one bug
[14:03] <mhall119> okay, there are currently 3 needs-packaging bugs for the 3 packages
[14:03] <jdstrand> mhall119: since they are small and dependent on each other, aiui
[14:03] <mhall119> do I need to make an additional FFe bug?
[14:04] <jdstrand> mhall119: oh, if there are already 3 bugs open, then you probably should do the one more for qimo-games
[14:04] <jdstrand> mhall119: since they are already separated. do mention how they relate to each other though
[14:04] <mhall119> qimo-games has already been accepted, the other two have not
[14:05] <jdstrand> I think I am confused
[14:05] <mhall119> ok, I'll add comments to the other 2
[14:05] <jdstrand> there are 3 total
[14:05] <mhall119> yes
[14:05] <jdstrand> 1 accepted, two not?
[14:05] <mhall119> qimo-games was accepted
[14:05] <mhall119> yes
[14:05] <mhall119> qimo-wallpaper and qimo-session have not
[14:05] <jdstrand> I see, then wither wait for review of the other two, are ask someone in ubuntu-release to look at them (I am not a member of ubuntu-release)
[14:06] <mhall119> qimo-games was accepted a couple months ago, you rejected the other two because I needed to expand on the copyrights
[14:06] <jdstrand> s/are/or/
[14:06] <mhall119> so I don't think qimo-games needed an FFe
[14:06] <mhall119> is there a channel for ubuntu-release?
[14:07] <jdstrand> I think qimo-games maybe didn't get uploaded? I don't remember looking at it specifically, but I might not remember correctly
[14:07] <jdstrand> mhall119: #ubuntu-release
[14:07] <mhall119> they were all uploaded
[14:08] <mhall119> qimo-games is in the repo already
[14:08] <mhall119> the other two have been uploaded, but not accepted
[14:18] <Ciemon> afternoon all, having just put my first debdiff on a bug using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix I wonder if there's a similar guide that explains using bzr and launchpad? I can't seem to find one.
[14:28] <nigelb> Ciemon, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation
[14:31] <evilshadeslayer_> dholbach: ping
[14:32] <evilshadeslayer_> whom should i talk to in order to adopt rekonq ?
[14:33] <evilshadeslayer_> ill be in and out.. so can someone please point me to the right people? ( ive already read the wiki links )
[14:33] <dholbach> evilshadeslayer_: pong
[14:33] <dholbach> I'm not sure I'm the best person to talk about rekonq
[14:33] <Laney> there is too much cdbs magic in pandoc
[14:33]  * Laney goes cross-eyed figuring it out
[14:33] <evilshadeslayer_> dholbach: ok so who then? :)
[14:34] <evilshadeslayer_> dholbach: i already do the docs for them... so i can easily adopt this package...
[14:34] <evilshadeslayer_> ( thats my opinion )
[14:34] <Ciemon> nigelb: thanks
[14:35] <nigelb> np :)
[14:35] <evilshadeslayer_> Tonio__: i see that your the last person to update the package :)
[14:35] <dholbach> evilshadeslayer_: can you try to explain what you want to do? :)
[14:35] <evilshadeslayer_> dholbach: i want to adopt a upstream ( rekonq )
[14:36] <dholbach> ahhhhh nice
[14:36] <evilshadeslayer_> dholbach: ive been meaning to do this since some time
[14:36] <dholbach> evilshadeslayer_: a good first step might be to have a look at the changelog of the package and get in touch with the people who worked on the package before, so you get to know ubuntu and debian maintainers which is a good start
[14:36] <dholbach> evilshadeslayer_: also check out the web page I mentioned - it should give you a few good practical tips
[14:37] <evilshadeslayer_> dholbach: lol... i work with the rekonq devs on a daily basis... i practically know all the dev work they do.. also i build rekonq everyday :P
[14:37] <dholbach> awesome
[14:37] <dholbach> :-D
[14:38] <evilshadeslayer_> dholbach: ok but how do i officially adopt it? like do i subscribe a ML or something?
[14:38] <dholbach> it's a good idea to track the bug reports - you can subscribe to the package
[14:38] <dholbach> also have a chat with the people in #ubuntu-bugs
[14:38] <evilshadeslayer_> dholbach: ive subscribed to the meta kubuntu bugs list
[14:39] <dholbach> wow
[14:39] <evilshadeslayer_> hehe.. yeah i just deleted about 13MB's worth of bug mail :P
[14:40] <evilshadeslayer_> from my mail box that is :)
[14:40] <evilshadeslayer_> i guess i should just wait for Tonio__ ...
[15:23] <ScottK> maco: You ought to have a look at Debian Bug #577087.
[16:22] <jdstrand> mhall119: hey. sorry about this, but I need to reject the packages that were uploaded to the archive. I don't know what happened, but the source are like a source within a source. you can see what I mean by viewing the packages at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=qimo
[16:23] <jdstrand> mhall119: eg, a dpkg-source -x ...dsc results in:
[16:23] <jdstrand> qimo-wallpaper/qimo-wallpaper_2.0.0-ubuntu1.dsc
[16:23] <jdstrand> qimo-wallpaper/qimo-wallpaper_2.0.0-ubuntu1.diff.gz
[16:23] <jdstrand> among other things
[16:23] <zgreg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/559005
[16:23] <zgreg> this is annoying...
[16:24] <jdstrand> mhall119: perhaps this is due to highvoltage's upload? I don't know
[16:26] <jdstrand> mhall119: you want an orig.tar.gz, a .dsc, a .diff.gz. a dpkg-source -x on the dsc will untar the orig.tar.gz and apply diff.gz to it (which ideally will only touch the debian/ dir). if you are aware of all that, just take it up with highvoltage and/or revu
[16:26] <jdstrand> mhall119: this does not affect the FFe. upload new packages and we'll get the processed
[16:27] <Tonio__> evilnhandler: hey
[16:27] <Tonio__> we won't go with rekonq right now
[16:27] <Tonio__> evilnhandler: we probably will switch to rekonq one day
[16:28] <Tonio__> evilnhandler: there are still too many bugs of features lacking with it right now
[16:42] <zooko`> Folks: we had a critical performance bug in Tahoe-LAFS (actually in foolscap) and we think we fixed it, but we have one report that it still exists after the upgrade, but we can't reproduce it.
[16:42] <zooko`> Anybody else want to try?
[16:43] <zooko`> maco uploaded the update of foolscap which I think fixed the bug.
[16:43] <zooko`> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/foolscap/+bug/548993
[16:44] <zooko`> The details about the attempts to reproduce the problem are in http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/983
[16:44] <zooko`> Basically, if you can upload, say, a 500 GB mutable file to your localhost with the current version in Lucid, then we're good. :-)
[16:45] <zooko`> In a different topic, how do I tell launchpad that this is a bug in pycentral, not in foolscap: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/foolscap/+bug/388855
[16:45] <ScottK> zooko`: Just change the affected package.
[16:50] <zooko`> ScottK: there doesn't appear to be a package for pycentral.
[16:50] <zooko`> I could at least *unset* it from foolscap.
[16:51] <zooko`> There I set it to "invalid".
[16:51] <ScottK> zooko`: How about python-central
[16:51] <zooko`> I looked for that! I'll look again.
[16:52] <zooko`> " There is no project in Launchpad named "python-central". Please search for it as it may be registered with a different name."
[16:54] <maco> zooko: python-central package, not project
[16:55] <ScottK> zooko: Actually I suspect that's not a bug at all.  I suspect the user played with the symlink for /usr/bin/python.
[16:55] <maco> zooko: i just added a python-central task to it
[16:56] <maco> zooko: for future reference, click "also affects distribution" to set the package within a distro that is affected
[16:56] <zooko> Okay. Anything else I should do about it?
[16:56] <zooko> maco: I don't get it. Isn't a "distribution" a version of Ubuntu such as Karmic, Lucid?
[16:56] <maco> zooko: ubuntu is a distribution
[16:56] <maco> zooko: baltix linux also uses launchpad
[16:57] <maco> so if you want to mark a package within ubuntu or baltix, you click "also affects distribution", select which distro from the drop down, and put the package name in the textbox
[16:57] <zooko> Ah, so if I click on "also affects distribution" I'll then be able to find python-central-as-part-of-ubuntu ?
[16:57] <zooko> Or are you just saying I should have marked it as also affecting Ubuntu?
[16:58] <maco> zooko: the first one
[16:58] <maco> but i just did it for you
[16:58] <zooko> Thanks.
[16:58] <zooko> The parts about different people trying to reproduce that performance bug are here: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/983#comment:7
[18:14] <delimiter> hi folks. I'm trying to backport puppet and facter from lucid to hardy. facter builds fine but puppet gives me this error from pbuilder build: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed - presumably because it needs the newer version of facter and that's not in the base.tgz. How can I fix this?
[18:24] <kirkland> is it possible to have a symlink installed in /etc be treated like a conffile?
[18:33] <kirkland> nevermind, cjwatson answered that in #ubuntu-devel
[18:33] <kirkland> short answer: DFDT
[19:06]  * hyperair kicks dpkg-source's @ubuntu.com check
[19:06] <xteejx> Hey guys
[19:06] <hyperair> hello.
[19:07] <xteejx> Noticed another dependency problem in today's updates, hasn't been reported. bug 559447
[19:09] <ScottK> xteejx: Are you on amd64?
[19:09] <xteejx> yeah ScottK
[19:09] <ScottK> xteejx: The package isn't fully built.  Just wait.  No need to report bugs on stuff like that.
[19:10] <xteejx> ScottK: Ahh I'll close it, sorry didn't realise. For future reference...in cases like these is it safe to just close and do normal updates?
[19:10] <ScottK> xteejx: Generally I'd wait and try again later.
[19:11] <ScottK> These things are a normal part of running the development release.
[19:11] <xteejx> I haven't actually came across it yet to be honest, been lucky updating at the right time I guess :)
[19:45] <cnd> if you're creating a package based on the state of the sources in a git tree on a certain date, what version string is suggested?
[19:45] <cnd> say for today's date?
[19:52] <kklimonda> cnd: hmm.. for example last_version+git20100409.<first eight characters from the commit hash>-XubuntuY
[19:53] <cnd> kklimonda: that seems very long and obtuse, is that really suggested?
[19:53] <cnd> also, there's no "last_version"
[19:54] <cnd> I rememberd mtd-utils doesn't put out releases either, so I see that it's version is 20090606-1
[19:55] <kklimonda> cnd: well, the problem with using only the current date is that if they ever release stable package you'll have to use epoch. of course epoch is exactly for situations like that
[19:56] <kklimonda> cnd: I don't think there is a single, official way of naming releases from various repositories - the one I've given you is the one I like the most
[19:56] <cnd> ok
[19:56] <cnd> there's not a huge amount of commits on a given day
[19:56] <soren> POX: Hey, man. Do you have a copy of the .dsc and .debian.tar.gz from the python-cloudfiles upload?
[19:56] <cnd> really, it goes quite some time without commits
[19:57] <soren> POX: Thanks for that, by the way!
[19:57] <cnd> so I think I'll leave off the git hash
[19:57] <kklimonda> cnd: you can grep though /var/lib/apt/lists/ to see what are others conventions
[19:57] <kklimonda> cnd: I think hash may be useful to regenerate the orig tarball
[19:58] <cnd> kklimonda: it's slightly more useful, but if there weren't any commits on that day it's unnecessary
[19:59] <cnd> and not many people are going to download the orig tarball based strictly on the version string
[19:59] <kklimonda> cnd: sure - as I said, the final decision is up to the maintainer
[19:59] <cnd> ok
[20:03] <POX> soren: http://people.debian.org/~piotr/python-cloudservers_1.0~a5-1.d{ebian.tar.gz,sc}
[20:05] <POX> (I didn't check/upload python-cloudfiles, IIRC)
[20:12] <persia> soren: If you upload that, consider -0ubuntu1 or similar just in case there is an issue.
[20:17] <arand> An SRU for universe (Bug #510571), would it be prudent to poke someone from the SRU team? If so who/how?
[20:21] <soren> soren: Sorry, that was a typo.
[20:21] <soren> Hehe..
[20:21] <soren> Good one.
[20:21] <soren> POX: Sorry, cloudfiles was a typo. I meant cloudservers. Thanks!
[20:22] <soren> persia: Hmm... Yeah, I guess that's a good point.
[20:26] <soren> persia: Done so. Very good point. Hadn't thought of that.
[20:28] <persia> soren: 99% of the time the ftp-masters don't reject it, but that 1% hurts :)
[20:32] <ScottK> It goes either way.  I've rejected stuff that was accepted by Debian.
[20:42] <persia> Sure, but that doesn't cause issues with version numbers.
[20:44] <POX> ScottK: (just curious) which package was it?
[20:44] <ScottK> No.  In the cases I was involved in the Debian maintainer uploaded a fixed version and we sync'ed that.
[20:44] <ScottK> POX: I don't recall exactly, it was something R related.
[20:44] <ScottK> Two of them.
[20:45] <POX> ok then (/me rejected every single Ubuntu accepted package so far :P)
[20:45] <Laney> I thought that AAs didn't review packages already in Debian
[20:50] <sebner> baaad POX
[20:50]  * sebner throws rotten tomatoes at POX :P
[20:50] <POX> but I also rejected (almost) every single NEW mentors.d.n package (DktrKranz was one of two guys who managed to get it in)
[20:51] <POX> I mean, NEW without serious comments
[20:52] <Laney> I've not had a NEW package rejected (yet)
[20:52] <POX> sebner: still waiting for you to join DktrKranz :P
[20:52] <Laney> :cool:
[20:52] <sebner> POX: with that attitude you can wait long :P
[20:52] <sebner> Laney is teehh geek!
[20:53]  * Laney releases sebner under the WTFPL
[20:54]  * sebner is FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe
[20:54]  * soren admires POX' keen eye
[20:55] <sebner> soren: pfff, he's just EVIL :P
[20:56] <soren> "delightfully picky"
[20:57]  * sebner uploads *any* package that's lintian clean even if it does rm -rf / in postinstall. lintian is god \o/  *muahahahahhaha*
[20:57] <POX> soren: there's another competition, BTW - uploads without a comment in a row - DktrKranz and Jonathan Wiltshire have 4 (but DktrKranz decided to quit the game)
[20:57]  * Laney coughs
[20:58] <sebner> DktrKranz: pussy!
[20:59] <Laney> He got @debian.org and ftp team powers
[20:59] <Laney> I'd call that pretty hardcore
[20:59]  * Laney bows down
[20:59] <sebner> DktrKranz: haha, I told ya ;)
[21:00] <sebner> Laney: I expect from him to become president of the world, nothing less
[21:09] <lfaraone> cnd: do still intend to submit rinputd to Debian? I noticed you filed debbugs 569042 two months ago, and was wondering if you wanted someone to maintain it.
[21:10] <cnd> lfaraone: I'm very new to all this, but it's already been sponsored and uploaded to ftp-master
[21:10] <cnd> it's in the NEW queue, so I assume now I wait for an ftp-master to review it?
[21:10] <cnd> been waiting for 5 days
[21:11] <lfaraone> cnd: ah, didn't check there :)
[21:11] <cnd> lfaraone: how long do packages usually sit in the NEW queue
[21:11] <lfaraone> cnd:  NEW can take anywhere from a few days to a month. For my packages, it's been an average of 10/12 days
[21:12] <cnd> ok
[21:12] <ScottK> hyperair: What version of sugar is Lucid supposed to have.  It appears to have pieces of several at the moment.
[21:12] <lfaraone> ScottK: Debian packages a bunch of versions.
[21:12] <hyperair> ScottK: sugar has versions?
[21:12]  * hyperair only cares about sugar levels in his blood
[21:13] <lfaraone> hyperair: http://sugarlabs.org/ :)
[21:13] <hyperair> aha!
[21:13] <hyperair> *that* sugar.
[21:13] <hyperair> i'm assuming a wrong ping then
[21:13] <ScottK> Ah.  I think I meant that for highvoltage.  Sorry.
[21:14] <hyperair> np
[21:14] <lfaraone> right now in karmic we have python-sugar-toolkit-0.88, sugar-0.86, sugar-activities at 0.83, sugar-artwork-0.88, sugar-browse-activity-0.86, sugar-chat-activity-0.86, sugar-emulator-0.88, sugar-read-activity-0.86, sugar-presence-service-0.88,  sugar-session-0.88, and sugar-tools-0.88
[21:14] <lfaraone> s/karmic/lucid/
[21:15] <ScottK> yep.
[21:16] <lfaraone> ScottK: it's complicated. 0.88 is the latest stable, 0.84 is in most deployments, but 0.86 will be on the next OLPC XO laptop.
[21:16] <ScottK> lfaraone: Someone needs to sort out what we have.
[21:17] <lfaraone> ScottK: upstream ideally would like to have 0.88 shipped, as we'd rather not support .84 for all eternity.
[21:17] <ScottK> There are bits of 0.84 and 0.86 that aren't buildable.
[21:17] <ScottK> lfaraone: Are you involved upstream with sugar?
[21:17] <lfaraone> ScottK: yes, I'm a systems administrator.
[21:18] <lfaraone> (I maintain some of their servers, that is)
[21:18] <highvoltage> ScottK: would it be possible to bring it up to .88 via SRU?
[21:18] <ScottK> lfaraone: OK.  Someone who understands all the sugar packages ought to sort through what we have/need/don't need.
[21:18] <ScottK> highvoltage: Generally not, but as different sugar versions are packaged to be co-installable, we could have more than one.
[21:19] <lfaraone> ScottK: well, I'm in pretty good contact with the development team.
[21:19] <ScottK> The thing is it doesn't appear to me that we have ANY version that is complete and buildable right now.
[21:19] <lfaraone> yes, it is rather a mess.
[21:20] <ScottK> So it would be great if you and highvoltage could put your heads together and figure out the best path forward.
[21:20] <ScottK> I don't care some much WHICH version as that we have at least one.
[21:21] <lfaraone> ScottK: in theory, we would be fine if we only shipped the shell, artwork, presence service, browse, and the toolkit. Users can download activities (Sugar Applications) through the prefered means of distribution, http://activities.sugarlabs.org/, a la Mozilla Addons.
[21:21] <highvoltage> ScottK: one of the sugar developers (or at least he was until a few months ago) lives quite close to me and he was quite enthusiastic about the ubuntu packages until he got a new job and adopted a baby, I'll also check if he has more free time now and try to reel him in
[21:21] <lfaraone> highvoltage: dfarning, right?
[21:21] <highvoltage> at the very least he could help bring me up to speed and fill some gaps
[21:21] <highvoltage> lfaraone: morgs (Morgan Collett)
[21:22] <ScottK> lfaraone and highvoltage: I've got a few hundred other packages to sort before release, so please figure it out.  Ping me if you need an FFe for something.
[21:22] <lfaraone> highvoltage: ah. I haven't heard from him since Intrepid.
[21:22] <lfaraone> ScottK: understood, we'll ask if we need something :)
[21:22] <ScottK> Excellent.
[21:23] <highvoltage> lfaraone: I think that's about when he officially stopped working as an employee for the sugar project, he was still involved for a bit afterwards though
[21:23] <lfaraone> highvoltage: would you agree my assessment of the bare-minimum is accurate, and a good base to start towards?
[21:24] <highvoltage> lfaraone: to be perfectly honest, my knowledge of sugar is very minimal, but that does sounds like a very rational and pragmatic approach, so yes
[21:24] <lfaraone> highvoltage: take a look at https://launchpad.net/~sugarteam/+archive/ppa , by the way. I haven't tested the packags, but they're supposed to work :)
[21:24] <highvoltage> lfaraone: nice, we should probably link to it somewhere on the edubuntu site if anyone adventurous wants to try it out and file some bugs
[21:25] <lfaraone> highvoltage: mk. I was never clear on this: where should PPA bugs be filed? :)
[21:25] <ScottK> Somewhere other than Ubuntu.
[21:26]  * lfaraone thinks he's asked this before, and I often get different answers.
[21:26] <ScottK> You can make an LP project with it's own bug tracker if you want
[21:26] <lfaraone> highvoltage: I guess we could use https://edge.launchpad.net/usr
[21:26] <lfaraone> highvoltage: and I can add you to ~sugarteam if you want.
[21:26] <highvoltage> yes I think creating a project and filing bugs against that is the right way to do it
[21:27] <highvoltage> lfaraone: that would be great
[21:27] <lfaraone> highvoltage: done, ~jonathan added
[21:28] <highvoltage> lfaraone: great, I think it would be a good addition to the edubuntu dvd's as an optional install when the packages are nice and ready
[21:34] <xteejx> How do I grab the source code for a specific arch?
[21:34] <lfaraone> xteejx: all arches have the same source code tarball...
[21:34] <soren> xteejx: Source code is the same across architectures.
[21:34] <jpds> xteejx: Erm... they're the same for all arches?
[21:35] <xteejx> oops :)
[21:36] <xteejx> thanks guys
[21:47] <xteejx> Guys, bug 557556, is that right about ppc64/PS3? Gives me the impression that it won't be worked on, although I think I might have found the problem
[21:48] <xteejx> something to do with the gst.GhostPad part of mixer.py
[21:51] <lfaraone> xteejx: well, it has a priority assigned. if someone knows about it, they'll propose a fix.
[21:51] <ScottK> Even better if you figure it out, you can attach a patch.
[21:52] <ScottK> The odds of it getting fixed go WAY up then.
[21:52] <xteejx> Well to be honest all I know is that the gst.GhostPad is part of gstreamer, but other than that I'm no use I'm sure plenty of others know that
[21:53] <lfaraone> xteejx: well, try to replicate the problem with a smaler testcase to isolate the bug.
[21:53] <ScottK> Put what you know in the bug and that'll help the next person to take a shot at it..
[21:54] <xteejx> Will do, and hope so!


[14:07] <cmaloney> morning
[14:07] <cmaloney> party party
[14:07] <cmaloney> CHC tonight at 7pm
[14:08] <cmaloney> Link forthcoming
[14:33] <jrwren> TIL: Wendy Carlos did the score for A Clockwork Orange
[14:34] <cmaloney> Yeah, I didn't know that either until I did. :)
[14:34] <cmaloney> She's one of my favorites. Amazing musicianship.
[14:34] <jrwren> yeah, she is awesome.
[14:37] <jrwren> whoa! and Tron?!?  and a couple on The Shining Soundtrack?!?
[14:38] <cmaloney> Oh yeah
[14:55] <jrwren> oh. also TIL: Wendy was born Walter
[14:59] <greg-g> very good WP article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Carlos
[15:00] <greg-g> I was confused for a second "Carlos disclosed her transgender status in a series of interviews with Arthur Bell " I thought, "Art Bell?! of Coast to Coast AM?!?!"
[15:03] <cmaloney> Yeah, not quite
[15:03] <cmaloney> :)
[15:03] <cmaloney> I actually sent her a "you're awesome, no need to reply" email.
[15:04] <cmaloney> Funnily enough, didn't get a reply. :)
[15:13] <jrwren> that is where I learned it from.
[15:35] <cmaloney> The wikipedia article?
[15:35] <cmaloney> I learned about Wendy from a Byte Magazine article about TRON and the confluence of computers and the arts.
[15:40] <cmaloney> Sorry, it was the one on Graphics: https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine-1982-11/page/n49/mode/2up
[15:42] <cmaloney> Nuts. She wasn't in there.
[15:42] <cmaloney> Might have been one of the other magazines at the time
[15:46] <jrwren> i think i learned about her from you cmaloney
[15:46] <jrwren> a few years ago
[15:46] <cmaloney> Possibly
[17:54] <cmaloney> https://gettogether.community/events/5069/coffee-house-coders-regular-meeting/
[17:55] <cmaloney> Going to try to use my self-hosted Jitsi instance
[17:55] <cmaloney> we'll see if it crashes and burns. :)
[17:56] <greg-g> "Crash and burn!" from the best worst 80s movie about mechwarriors/big fighting robots! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpX7S-gV10o
[17:57] <greg-g> (I referenced the movie in one of my sub-team meetings so I had that link handy)
[17:57] <cmaloney> Heh
[23:36] <cmaloney> https://jitsi.decafbad.net/CoffeeHouseCoders20200415 <- CHC is live


[13:50] <kunz_1925> Hello
[13:52] <kunz_1925> was curious what is your output with chkrootkit?
[13:52] <kunz_1925> are they just false positives?
[14:18] <sixwheeledbeast> guessing false positive on tcpd?
[20:25] <mate|13364> Hello, does anyone know how to switch off horrible red "caps lock & co." indicators in notification area when I connect via VNC? (same problem as described here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/899033/what-are-those-weird-circle-red-icons-at-the-top-right-in-ubuntu-mate-desktop )
[20:25] <mate|13364> I've did it once years ago, but I forgot how, and it drives me crazy.
[20:29] <mate|13364> (and "show keyboard leds" or whatever in mate tweak is disabled -- I see this only via VNC, no problem with local session)


[20:01] <smoser> alexpilotti, around ?
[20:01] <alexpilotti> smoser: hey!
[20:04] <smoser> would you think it possible to install windows via :
[20:04] <smoser>  mkfs.ntfs(some.disk)
[20:04] <smoser>  mount some.disk
[20:04] <smoser>  tar -C moutpoint -Sxvzf my-windows-tarfile.tar.gz
[20:04] <smoser>  fixup_windows(mountpoint)
[20:04] <smoser>  reboot
[20:05] <alexpilotti> if my-windows-tarfile.tar.gz is a preinstalled copy of WIndows, sure
[20:06] <alexpilotti> it's no different then ghosting a machine
[20:06] <smoser> and fixup_windows() is some amount of things that have to be done
[20:06] <smoser> right.
[20:06] <alexpilotti> not even
[20:06] <alexpilotti> but
[20:06] <alexpilotti> you'll have to consider that you need to expand the file system
[20:06] <alexpilotti> I mean, if your initial image is say, 15 GB
[20:07] <alexpilotti> and your target partition is 20GB
[20:07] <smoser> right. but that could be done in fixup_windows
[20:07] <smoser> right ?
[20:08] <alexpilotti> yep, I though you meant to fix only the MBR / UEFI boot, etc
[20:08] <smoser> well, whatever amount of "fix" required
[20:08] <alexpilotti> if it's an image with cloudbase-init installed you don't even have to care, as partitions get resized automatically on boot
[20:09] <smoser> but those are filesystem images
[20:09] <smoser> could you do the same wtih tar image ?
[20:09] <alexpilotti> can you give some context about where this could be needed?
[20:17] <smoser> mainly just wondering if i could install windows that way.
[20:17] <smoser> doesnt have to support a bunch of smart options, just get installed and boot.
[20:29] <cloud-init-n00b> hello everyone
[20:30] <cloud-init-n00b> i've been trying to get familiar with cloud-init for modifying image installs on openstack
[20:30] <cloud-init-n00b> but i'm having a really hard time getting it to work
[20:30] <cloud-init-n00b> and google is not being too helpful
[20:30] <cloud-init-n00b> i'm trying to do something simple first
[20:31] <cloud-init-n00b> basically create just a user and verify that it is actually being created
[20:31] <cloud-init-n00b> #cloud-config  users:   - default   - name: stack     plain_text_passwd: 'testPass'     lock_passwd: False     sudo: ["ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL\nDefaults:stack !requiretty"]     shell: /bin/bash
[20:31] <cloud-init-n00b> whoa bad formatting
[20:32] <smoser> alexpilotti, thanks for your input.
[20:32] <cloud-init-n00b> http://pastebin.com/Nd7H6aHS
[20:32] <cloud-init-n00b> that is what my simple config looks like
[20:32] <cloud-init-n00b> any chance someone could give me a hand
[20:32] <cloud-init-n00b> i'm not sure what it is i'm missing
[20:32] <cloud-init-n00b> :/
[20:33] <alexpilotti> smoser: sorry, got interrupted
[20:33] <alexpilotti> smoser: to be sure, what do you mean with tar image?
[20:34] <alexpilotti> smoser: an OS installer image, like an ISO?
[20:34] <smoser> mount -t ntfs /dev/my-windows-partition /mnt
[20:34] <smoser> tar -C /mnt -Scpzf my-windows-tarball.tar.gz
[20:35] <smoser> umount /mnt
[20:35] <alexpilotti> got it
[20:35] <smoser> cloud-init-n00b, what you have there doesn't look completely unreasonable
[20:36] <smoser> with a recent cloud-init, you can poke around quicker by running the user-groups module manuall
[20:36] <alexpilotti> to be compliant with MSFT support, you need to sysprep the machine
[20:36] <smoser> sudo cloud-init single --frequency=always --name=user-groups
[20:36] <smoser> and then printf debugging that way (or looking at /var/log/cloud-init.log)
[20:36] <alexpilotti> but for a brutal "let's get it running" it works
[20:37] <cloud-init-n00b> smoser, if you have any links on how to run that module manually
[20:37] <alexpilotti> it's no different than ghosting a physical machine in the end
[20:37] <cloud-init-n00b> i'd be very thankful
[20:37] <cloud-init-n00b> don't mind reading at all :)
[20:37] <smoser> sysprep would be ok. especially if it can be rebooted into sysprep and then rebooted automatically from there.
[20:37] <smoser> cloud-init-n00b, look there ^
[20:37] <smoser> sudo cloud-init single --frequency=always --name=user-groups
[20:38] <alexpilotti> the tricky part is that the only way to do that would be to inhect in the registry a script that would run sysprep on the next boot
[20:38] <alexpilotti> while normally you'd run the machine, sysprep, shutdown, copy the image
[20:39] <alexpilotti> if you can control the machine this way, it's fine
[20:39] <alexpilotti> s/inhect/inject/
[20:41] <cloud-init-n00b> smoser i'm afraid i did not understand your reference, where is it that you advised me to look into (thanks)
[20:44] <smoser> cloud-init-n00b: run: sudo cloud-init single --frequency=always --name=user-groups
[20:44] <smoser> that will re-run the user-groups m odule
[20:44] <smoser> that would read that data you gave
[20:45] <smoser> and then it should log some things to /var/log/cloud-init.log
[20:45] <cloud-init-n00b> got it. i'll give it a run then. Thanks!
[20:47] <cloud-init-n00b> i'm getting an error saying :
[20:47] <cloud-init-n00b> bad command single. use one of ('start', 'start-local')