[00:45] <dscassel> khoover: The people I Know who do 3D game programming do it in C++.
[00:46] <dscassel> Depends on your parameters for judging "good language," really.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:47] <bregma> moin
[13:52] <BluesKaj> morning
[13:53] <BluesKaj> bregma, ^
[20:29] <khoover> i got accepted to UW's honours Comp Sci. :)
[20:41] <dscassel> khoover: Congrats! :D
[20:42]  * dscassel is BMATH (HCS) 1999 from UWaterloo. :D
[20:50] <khoover> thanks mate. and on the game i was thinking of writing, maybe trying to do a 3D base builder + minions would be a tad difficult for my first game


 :P
[02:08] <jrgifford> belkinsa: yes?
[10:23] <belkinsa> jrgifford, remind me to ask you later today.
[23:25] <belkinsa> jrgifford, ping.
[23:41] <jrgifford> belkinsa: pong
[23:41] <jrgifford> I'm here for ~5 mimutes
[23:41] <jrgifford> And then I'll be back at 8:30 or so
[23:42] <belkinsa> Thanks for waiting.  It's over two things that I think is safe to talk about here.  One is about the Twitter account access via non-command line (if it's possible) and the next virtual Ubuntu Hour tech support.
[23:43] <jrgifford> OK
[23:44] <jrgifford> Non CLI access
[23:44] <jrgifford> Can't do that, need skellat
[23:44] <jrgifford> Tech support, Firefox is weird
[23:44] <jrgifford> I'll elaborate on the second one when I get back
[23:44] <jrgifford> If you'll be here
[23:44] <belkinsa> Oh, okay.  I figured that I need to speak directly to skellat about that and I will around when you come back.


[09:27] <esmo> hii wats new is xubuntu 11.10
[09:59] <xubuntu597> test
[10:01] <esmo> test? )
[12:36] <g00se> Are there any expert install options - i'm using natty 64?
[12:41] <knome> g00se, by "expert", what are you expecting?
[12:43] <g00se> knome: Well i suppose text mode, feedback etc. I'm wondering what's being run during creation of an ext4 fs. My disk possibly has many bad blocks
[12:45] <knome> g00se, you can install in text mode with the alternative install
[12:45] <knome> g00se, i'm not sure, but i think other TTY's might have some information on what's happening
[12:48] <g00se> knome: Thanks - i might look at the alternate
[13:10] <g00se> It would give me more confidence if i knew what the installer did about bad blocks on the target medium though
[14:30] <epzil0n> hi guys, i'm a bit confused over why i can't connect to my windows shares in thunar and the same goes for my NAS, ofc i can use thunar smb://user@host/share in a terminal or smb://user@host/share in thunars location field, but that's just not the way i like to do it.. any suggestions?
[14:30] <knome> smbfs to mount the samba share to any directory
[14:31] <epzil0n> knome: can you give me an example?
[14:32] <knome> epzil0n, install smbfs, then run 'smbfs remote-host:/remote/dir /local/dir'
[14:32] <knome> epzil0n, ^ in a nutshell
[14:33] <epzil0n> knome: nice, is it sudo apt-get install smbfs or?
[14:33] <knome> yup, as far as i can remember
[14:34] <epzil0n> knome: ok, will the mounted share be in that dir permanently?
[14:34] <knome> epzil0n, no
[14:34] <epzil0n> knome: or do i have to mess with the /etc/fstab file?
[14:35] <knome> epzil0n, yeah, fstab
[14:35] <epzil0n> knome: ok, i would like to use bookmarks  like in nautilus, but i installed krusader and that works also.. but would like to have it in thunar
[14:36] <knome> epzil0n, when you've mounted that, you can naturally add that directory as a bookmark
[14:36] <knome> epzil0n, i do that myself with my ssh(fs) mounts
[14:37] <epzil0n> knome: ok, where is the bookmark option then?
[14:37] <knome> epzil0n, well, to be exact, the parent dir to my ssh(fs) mounts :)
[14:37] <epzil0n> ^^
[14:37] <knome> epzil0n, Ctrl+B in thunar opens (closes) the bookmark sidebar, just drag any folder there
[14:38] <knome> epzil0n, after that, you can rename the bookmarks to whatever you want
[14:38] <epzil0n> knome: thx a lot for your help, now i know what to do =)
[14:38] <knome> epzil0n, np
[14:40] <epzil0n> btw, the beta 1 release works great love it =)
[14:41] <knome> good to hear that
[14:50] <epzil0n> knome: well there was no bookmark sidebar the ctrl+b toggles shortcuts and i can't find an option to add the share as a bookmark or shortcut?
[14:51] <knome> epzil0n, drag a folder into the sidebar
[14:53] <epzil0n> knome: ok, i have to mount it in a dir first.. gave me a error mess
[15:15] <epzil0n> knome: it didn't work the way you showed me
[15:16] <epzil0n> knome: but this worked sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=user,password=pass //remote-host/remote/dir /local/dir
[15:17] <epzil0n> knome: anyways i now have i bookmark/shortcut of that share in thunar =)
[15:36] <d0lphchrisT> Hi there, I've just tested a small C example that generates a sine and plays it using alsa. Now I can only play sound using that example. Anything else like playing a video with VLC or music via Banshee results in silence. Has someone an idea what I did wrong?
[15:37] <d0lphchrisT> the sample I've used is this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12845003/OscMain.cpp
[16:13] <knome> epzil0n, okay, right. good to hear you got it working anyway :)
[21:30] <gordonjcp> hi all
[21:31] <gordonjcp> which CPU family is Xubuntu compiled for?  "normal" Ubuntu is compiled for i686 since 10.10, but I want something newer than 10.04 that will run on an i586 SoC
[21:31] <Myrtti> xubuntu uses exactly same kernels than normal ubuntu
[21:32] <Myrtti> the packages come from the same place
[21:32] <gordonjcp> oh, fair enough
[21:32] <gordonjcp> nbg then
[21:32] <gordonjcp> thanks
[21:32] <gordonjcp> that rules out any Ubuntu, in that case


[01:46] <callmepk> good morning
[02:04] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[02:04] <callmepk> morning duflu
[06:01] <jibel> Good morning
[06:02] <duflu> Hi jibel
[06:26] <jibel> Hi duflu
[06:43] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[06:43] <seb128> hey jibel, duflu, ricotz, how are you?
[06:43] <duflu> seb128, going well. You?
[06:44] <seb128> I'm alright thanks
[06:46] <jibel> Salut seb128 , ça va bien et toi?
[06:46] <jibel> Hi callmepk
[06:46] <seb128> jibel, nickel!
[06:48] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:54] <didrocks> good morning
[06:55] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN and didrocks
[06:59] <didrocks> hey duflu, oSoMoN
[07:01] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, comment ça va ?
[07:01] <seb128> didrocks, lut, en forme ?
[07:05] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[07:05] <didrocks> hey seb128 :)
[07:14] <seb128> ça va bien :)
[07:37] <jibel> salut didrocks
[07:40] <GunnarHj> Good morning all!
[07:40] <GunnarHj> Trevinho, seb128: As regards gtk4, please take a look at bug #1934606. Can it be that there are many gtk3 programs out there which don't explicitly specify gtk version, and where the mere presence of gtk4 will cause issues?
[07:41] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:41] <didrocks> hey GunnarHj
[07:45] <duflu> Hi GunnarHj
[07:49] <callmepk> hi didrocks
[07:49] <callmepk> and hi seb128 oSoMoN
[07:51] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, unsure, we will need to try. The 'import version' isn't going to impact C codebases but we should check gjs and python programs probably yes
[07:52] <seb128> GunnarHj, we probably have a limited set of applications using gjs so it's easy to try those
[07:52] <seb128> $ apt rdepends gjs | wc -l
[07:52] <seb128> 23
[07:53] <seb128> which includes the shell and some the gjs binaries
[07:54] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. Thought it was worth mentioning.
[07:54] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, salut didrocks, seb128 & jibel, good morning GunnarHj, good afternoon callmepk
[07:54] <seb128> GunnarHj, it is, thanks for pointing it out
[07:54] <jibel> salut oSoMoN
[07:54] <seb128> callmepk, hey!
[07:55] <oSoMoN> seb128, ça va plutôt bien, et toi?
[07:55] <seb128> oSoMoN, nickel!
[07:57] <GunnarHj> hey oSoMoN
[08:03] <laney> yo
[08:11] <duflu> Hi laney
[08:11] <seb128> hey laney, what's up?
[08:14] <oSoMoN> yo laney
[08:27] <laney> hey duflu seb128 oSoMoN
[08:28] <laney> something something football
[08:31] <seb128> ah, right, tennis and football, it's sport time for you guys :)
[09:53]  * laney cries inside gnutls
[12:32] <Trevinho> GunnarHj: mh, we may force gjs apps to load gtk3 first maybe
[12:32] <Trevinho> or wait them to be fixed instead...
[12:32] <Trevinho> not sure what's the best approach, I'd prefer to see and fix in case though
[12:33] <GunnarHj> Trevinho: What about python?
[12:34] <ricotz> hello desktopers! :)
[12:48] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[13:47] <seb128> do we have something supposed to set GIO_MODULE_DIR to the right location when using the gnome extensions nowadays?
[13:47] <seb128> kenvandine, ^?
[14:29] <kenvandine> seb128: i don't think so... but probably should
[14:30] <kenvandine> oh, desktop-launch does
[14:30] <seb128> kenvandine, k, because epiphany isn't working anymore, at least failing to browse https website because it doesn't find glib networking
[14:30] <seb128> do we still use desktop-launch with 3.38 ?
[14:30] <kenvandine> i'm having the same problem with snap-store-master
[14:30] <kenvandine> yes
[14:31] <seb128> hum, weird
[14:31] <seb128> k, meeting time
[14:31] <kenvandine> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Lx7Zskql/
[15:21] <seb128> kenvandine, I don't have the context but I guess that function isn't going to cover for content mounted through the platform snaps
[15:21] <seb128> also need to step out for a while but I will read backlog
[17:20] <k_alam> Trevinho: Hi, I changed the pc file to gsettings-unity-schema and the package name but let it keep depending on gsettings-ubuntu-schemas.. I don't think it will cause any issue. it also avoids adding a extra dependency to unity. hope this solves the issue about the clash.
[19:47] <Trevinho> k_alam: yeah, that's fine, as per the old packages is fine to keep as they are but if adding new ones is better to avoid adding too generic stuff at this point
[19:50] <k_alam> Trevinho: Alright..So do you think you can publish it ?


[02:18] <tsimonq2> handsome_feng: Hi there!
[02:18]  * tsimonq2 sponsors some stuff for Ubuntu Kylin
[02:20] <handsome_feng> tsimonq2: hi
[02:21] <tsimonq2> handsome_feng: While I have you here, I just wanted to make sure you saw https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-April/004387.html :)
[02:24] <handsome_feng> tsimonq2: Yes, I saw it, and I agree with your idea, you can add ubuntukylin to the list of 'Xubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, Kubuntu, and Ubuntu Budgie'
[02:24] <tsimonq2> handsome_feng: Please respond (preferably signed with your GPG key) that you agree. :)
[02:24] <dodobrain> hi all, can someone tell me how libavl is being packaged? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libavl  says "GNU libavl is a library in ...."
[02:25] <dodobrain> that is NOT the GNU libavl that is being packaged
[02:25] <tsimonq2> dodobrain: looking
[02:25] <dodobrain> i think the upstream debian package is also wrong
[02:25] <handsome_feng> tsimonq2: sure, I will
[02:25] <dodobrain> this is GNU libavl here: http://adtinfo.org/
[02:26] <tsimonq2> dodobrain: I see "AVL tree manipulation library"
[02:26] <tsimonq2> I see "GNU" nowhere.
[02:27] <tsimonq2> handsome_feng: Awesome. :)
[02:27] <dodobrain> tsimonq2, so you dont see "GNU libavl" on this page? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libavl  i can post a screenshot if it helps
[02:28] <tsimonq2> dodobrain: Throw me a screenshot and I can throw you one too. ;)
[02:28] <tsimonq2> handsome_feng: So this isn't a showstopper, but it's something that would be nice to look into for ukui-panel.
[02:28] <tsimonq2> I: libukui-panel-applet-4-1: no-symbols-control-file usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libukui-panel-applet-4.so.1.0.1
[02:28] <tsimonq2> Also:
[02:28] <tsimonq2> P: ukui-panel source: debian-watch-does-not-check-gpg-signature
[02:28] <tsimonq2> That last one can be solved by signing your upstream tarball.
[02:29] <tsimonq2> Otherwise, looks good, so sponsoring.
[02:29] <dodobrain> tsimonq2, im sure you will send me a screenshot too, im just saying that on the launchpad page it says GNU libavl and this is *not* the GNU libavl
[02:29] <handsome_feng> tsimonq2: OK, I will fix it in next version
[02:29] <tsimonq2> dodobrain: And I'm telling you I see "GNU" nowhere. ;)
[02:30] <tsimonq2> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
[02:30] <tsimonq2> I get what you're going at now.
[02:30] <tsimonq2> So, that has nothing to do with the package itself.
[02:31] <tsimonq2> dodobrain: In any case, I don't see how that's a problem. ;)
[02:31] <tsimonq2> handsome_feng: Excellent!
[02:32] <dodobrain> you dont see the problem? it is because the GNU libavl api is completely different from this thing that is being packaged
[02:32] <dodobrain> tsimonq2, https://i.imgur.com/lOCL9k1.png
[02:33] <dodobrain> i tried the debian channel, but it seems very quiet with almost no chatter
[02:33] <tsimonq2> Clicked a button.
[02:33] <tsimonq2> Fixed?
[02:34] <dodobrain> tsimonq2, also, that http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/liba/libavl/libavl_0.3.5-4/copyright says:  downloaded from http://www.fruit.eu.org/avl/
[02:34] <dodobrain> that server itself does not exist anymore
[02:34] <tsimonq2> dodobrain: Report that one to Debian.
[02:35] <Unit193> You asked the Debian support channel, that focuses on Debian stable.  Likely not quite the right place.
[02:35] <tsimonq2> Oh.
[02:35] <dodobrain> Unit193, yes i wasnt sure. i did ask in the main channel if this is the right spot
[02:36] <dodobrain> i know about ubuntu-motu, hence why i didnt ask in #ubuntu first :)
[02:36] <tsimonq2> dodobrain: #ubuntu-devel is more frequented.
[02:37] <dodobrain> sure, but in the long past i've found motu to be more packaging specific
[02:37] <dodobrain> maybe that has changed
[02:37] <tsimonq2> It has, I think.
[02:37] <tsimonq2> handsome_feng: One more thing, Debian Policy 4.1.4 has been released. Please update your packages whenever convenient. :)
[02:38] <handsome_feng> tsimonq2: I will, Thanks!
[02:38] <dodobrain> tsimonq2, so what do i do now? you did something and now the launchpad page asks me to select the properupstream and the libavl linked there is the correct gnu libavl
[02:38] <dodobrain> do i need to do something now?
[02:39] <tsimonq2> dodobrain: It should be fine now.
[02:39] <tsimonq2> handsome_feng: OK :)
[02:48] <dodobrain> tsimonq2, when you say 'it should be fine now' do you mean the real gnu libavl will get packaged by ubuntu?
[02:48] <tsimonq2> dodobrain: Yes.
[02:48] <dodobrain> goodness, thank you very much
[02:51] <dodobrain> i imagine there will not be corrected libavl package in backports
[02:51] <dodobrain> given that someone might have depended on it in their own development
[02:52] <dodobrain> or actually, im not sure how to check, but can you verify if any other ubuntu package depends on libavl1 or libavl-dev ?
[02:53] <Unit193> 'fair' seems to.
[02:54] <Unit193> Though in fairness, it doesn't seem to actually use it. :>
[02:56] <Unit193> (Looking at the wrong package, it links against it and configure bails without: https://sources.debian.org/src/fair/0.5.3-2/configure.ac/#L18)
[03:25] <tsimonq2> handsome_feng: Thanks for the email. :)
[03:27] <handsome_feng> tsimonq2: Not at all :)
[04:13] <tsimonq2> handsome_feng: This as well:
[04:13] <tsimonq2> I: libukwm-1-0: no-symbols-control-file usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libukwm-1.so.0.0.0
[04:13] <tsimonq2> You also might want to look into fixing hardening-no-bindnow in all of your packages.
[04:29] <handsome_feng> tsimonq2:  Ok, I will fix all these in next version, thanks for uploading them! :)
[04:30] <tsimonq2> handsome_feng: No problem. :)
[08:46] <kkremitzki> The FreeCAD project, which I work with, has finally released version 0.17 after being in feature freeze since January--is there any hope still for it to make it into 18.04?
[09:17] <ogra_> kkremitzki, there is a snap package of 0.17 (see "snap info freecad") perhaps that should be updated instead (contact the publisher shown in the snap info output)
[09:20] <kkremitzki> ogra_: That user is on hiatus and I've had a hard time getting ahold of him, if it's at all possible I'd like to try to make it available in the repositories as well. I've been working on packaging from the Debian end of things so I'd feel more comfortable taking care of it that way
[09:22] <ogra_> kkremitzki, sure, not opposing a deb but with the deb you are pretty much stuck on a version (or have to use a complex process to get it updated) ... the snap runs independently from the underlying OS version from 14.04 to 18.04 and can be updated whenever needed
[09:25] <rbasak> kkremitzki: to answer your question, upding the deb repository is possible. Assuming it's only bugfixes, it needs someone to contribute the change and an uploader to review it in time. If it contains feature changes, it needs consideration and approval by the release team in time as well.
[09:27] <kkremitzki> I'm interested in making it available via snap as well, but from patrolling our help forum I know a lot of people default to installing with apt and having the package trailing a version often results in unnecessary frustration from users. It does contain feature changes, over 6000 commits' worth (woohoo!)
[09:29] <rbasak> 3000 commits of feature changes since 0.16.6712+dfsg1-1ubuntu2? It seems unlikely that will be permitted to land in Bionic then.
[09:29] <kkremitzki> Well, I wouldn't say 1 commit = 1 feature, but there are a lot of new features
[09:29] <kkremitzki> It was a little over 2 years of development
[09:33] <kkremitzki> We also have a daily build PPA which has quite a bit of use so those changes haven't been getting worked on without testing
[09:36] <rbasak> You'll need to explain that to the release team.
[09:36] <rbasak> But in any case, you need someone to prepare the updated packaging.
[09:37] <rbasak> If you aren't likely to get that in time, there's no point taking it further.
[09:37] <kkremitzki> I can do that
[09:37] <rbasak> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[09:37] <kkremitzki> How would I submit it?
[09:38] <rbasak> Once you have approval, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[09:38] <rbasak> I warn you though: sponsors tend to be quite busy at this time of an LTS cycle.
[09:38] <rbasak> You're already very late, so you may struggle to find the required review time from a sponsor.
[09:39] <kkremitzki> Indeed, I'm sure it's especially tight with meltdown/spectre having eaten into other work
[09:40] <kkremitzki> I think it's worth a shot though, so thank you for the guidance


[02:24] <xubuntu07w> hey
[02:24] <xubuntu07w> trying to get 32bit xubuntu on a usb as boot
[13:34] <gp5st_> does anyone have a way to get the terminal to be a different color scheme depending on the host you're logged into
[16:13] <nailyk> gp5st_: I made this with my zsh prompt
[16:14] <nailyk> like nailyk@host1 ~ % , nailyk@foobar ~ %
[16:15] <nailyk> obviously if this chan don"t allow color it is a useles answer :p
[16:17] <Unit193> nailyk: +cfnt, so it doesn't. :P
[16:20] <gp5st_> nailyk, i do that too :) but when in something like my mysql shell it's easier to just have the whole color change instad of updating the prompt for every application. I ended up using Konsole since it felt like it was easier to switch profiles
[17:47] <nailyk> gp5st_: oh cannot help you then. And sad for chan colors ;)
[17:48] <nailyk> I have a problem with (x)ubuntu. My internal network card doesn't work.
[17:48] <nailyk> It doesn't seems to show errors into dmesg &| syslog
[17:49] <nailyk> Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I211 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03)
[17:49] <nailyk> the link is 'flapping' constantly.
[17:49] <nailyk> How can I debug this?
[17:53] <gp5st_> nailyk, have you rulled out physical problems, aka loose cable on either end?
[17:53] <gp5st_> or a bad cable
[17:53] <nailyk> with my debian 8 dual boot I don't have problem at all
[17:54] <nailyk> right now am with the xubuntu 16.04 with an usb rtl, for debug purposes
[17:57] <nailyk> (was a test to check network-manager too)
[18:15] <nailyk> the link is shown into "ip link" obviously.
[19:12] <stain>  i have a problem im installing a terminal but the istall is blockt can you help me
[19:13] <knome> maybe if you are more elaborate about your issue


[15:42] <BugeyeD> hi all - what's the name of the terminal that automatically runs screen inside with all the bells and whistles? coming up with a blank here ...
[15:43] <holstein> hmmm
[15:43] <holstein> i just run screen, not sure
[15:43] <holstein> ive used gnome-terminal of cours
[15:43] <holstein> e
[15:43] <holstein> and im getting comfortable with xfce4-terminal
[15:44] <BugeyeD> found it, byobu (or something odd-looking like that)
[15:45] <BugeyeD> i always find what i'm looking for right after i ask for help. never friggin' fails.
[15:46] <holstein> i saw that suggested the other day
[15:46] <holstein> been meaning to try it ot
[15:46] <holstein> out*
[15:49] <holstein> hmmmm
[15:49] <holstein> not sure about that...
[15:49] <holstein> i dont think its for me
[16:47] <internalkernel> BugeyeD: what's screen?
[16:47] <holstein> like, screen
[16:47] <holstein> screen -S whatever
[16:48] <holstein> run things in the background, and disconnect and reconnect
[16:49] <Tracy_P> I use it frequently to start a download on the home box, let it finish downloading and get it off the box later when I get there.
[18:35] <BugeyeD> internalkernel: heh, touche
[18:35] <BugeyeD> i'll leave it up to you to decide whether i left off an accent or misspelled a word. :)
[18:50] <internalkernel> lol... I don't think so...
[18:51] <internalkernel> Im glad you got it... :P


[03:27] <Yankees52> oh baby yes
[03:27] <Yankees52> !ops
[03:27] <Yankees52> faster closer harder yes
[03:27] <Yankees52> thats it baby
[03:27] <Yankees52> !staff
[03:27] <Yankees52> !ops
[03:29] <ubot2> FNStaffa called the ops in #ubuntu-kernel ()
[03:30] <ubot2> FNStaffa called the ops in #ubuntu-kernel ()
[14:37] <ubot2> Yankees52 called the ops in #ubuntu-kernel ()
[14:39] <Pici> ugh
[14:42] <Myrtti> here's a thought: set ubottu to ignore hhim
[14:43] <Pici> My logs inidicate that hes not content to just spamming ¡ops.
[14:43] <Myrtti> then just quiet him


[02:28] <JohnC> Hi all
[02:39] <JohnC> can anyone help me to get started?
[02:39] <JohnC> i'm kinda lost atm
[02:39] <Toma-> started with what?
[02:40] <JohnC> welll i've joined groups and what not, launchpad, etc
[02:40] <JohnC> but how do i actually get involved with designing artwork?
[02:41] <Toma-> design something, add it to the wiki, spam it on the mailing list or in here
[02:41] <Toma-> thats one approach
[02:41] <JohnC> lol ok
[02:41] <Toma-> constructive criticism on the mailing list is another good one
[02:41] <Toma-> but its alot more productive to actually do some work than point out small problems
[02:41] <JohnC> my wiki won't seem to save personal settings
[02:41] <JohnC> its taking 4eva
[02:42] <JohnC> yeh i want to do work
[02:43] <JohnC> but i don't know where to start, how to view where the current theme is headed and add to it? Where can i see the most recent artwork?
[03:44] <nothlit> yeah the personal settings, they're incredibly laggy-- if its not important just leave it alone
[04:17] <troy_s> JohnC: What are youlooking for?
[04:17] <JohnC> i'm not sure exactly, i just don't know where to look or where to contribute
[04:18] <JohnC> or where to see what way the project is headed, is there a color pallette for all to use or anything like that?
[04:18] <troy_s> JohnC: there is no contribution.  there never has been really.  occasionally for one reason or another a tidbit gets integrated with random decisiveness.
[04:18] <troy_s> JohnC: Nope.  Nothing.
[04:18] <JohnC> oh so its sort of just here's a suggestion use it if you want
[04:18] <troy_s> JohnC: Not even that.
[04:18] <JohnC> well whats the point of i tall
[04:18] <troy_s> JohnC: There isn't one.
[04:19] <JohnC> it* all*
[04:19] <JohnC> lol
[04:19] <JohnC> ridiculous
[04:19] <troy_s> JohnC: It is what it is.
[04:19] <troy_s> JohnC: Truth be told, there is _some_ point to it -- occasionally you will bump into an individual or what not that you might spawn some sort of creative relationship with.
[04:19] <JohnC> i see
[04:20] <troy_s> JohnC: The reality is that it is a highly coveted distribution from the hierarchy at the top of Canonical.  The 'need' isn't exactly there.
[04:21] <JohnC> yeh
[04:21] <troy_s> JohnC: And from a community standpoint, there still exists the inability to deal with fundamental design principles and concepts.
[04:21] <troy_s> JohnC: All in all, more or less the same state of affairs across FOSS.
[04:22] <JohnC> it would just be nice if there was a system where canonical gives out a template of all the things it needs then designers put in a sample and a few are selected to do the artwork for the entire OS or something like that
[04:23] <troy_s> JohnC: Canonical is no more enlightened than the bulk of the community when it comes to the complexities of art and design.
[04:24] <troy_s> JohnC: It would seem logical that process is a critical element, but to be honest, the current state of affairs would dictate that it falls in around 67th important factor.
[04:24] <troy_s> JohnC: With art and design 101 probably falling in first.
[04:24] <troy_s> JohnC: Maybe even a precursory high-school study in art and design instead of 101.  ;)
[04:25] <JohnC> haha
[04:25] <JohnC> well is anyone interested in my work?
[04:26] <troy_s> JohnC: I might be.  Link to your work?
[04:26] <JohnC> http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6747/wall1md6.jpg
[04:26] <JohnC> i've only done one thing so far
[04:26] <JohnC> i only just got on 2day
[04:26] <JohnC> its a draft too
[04:26] <troy_s> JohnC: Hrm...
[04:27] <JohnC> i didn't try to do anything special i've only just started it as a concept, meh its a waste of time tho right?
[04:27] <JohnC> i'm used to doing different stuff tho
[04:27] <troy_s> JohnC: Nothing ever is a waste of time.
[04:27] <troy_s> JohnC: At the very least, doing leads to learning.
[04:27] <JohnC> http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8849/originalyx2.png
[04:28] <JohnC> this is stuff like i normally do
[04:28] <troy_s> JohnC: What are you seeking?
[04:29] <JohnC> i just think ubuntu and similar open source OS are great, i just wanted to get involved
[04:29] <JohnC> i'm just a student in Nanotechnology who does graphics in his spare time
[04:30] <troy_s> JohnC: Interesting.
[04:31] <JohnC> was that graphic any good?
[04:32] <JohnC> it would be nice to know if i am any good at design from someone who knows what they are talking about
[04:33] <troy_s> JohnC: Well you certainly don't have the right guy if you are looking for someone who knows what they are talking about.
[04:33] <JohnC> hahaha
[04:33] <JohnC> well did u like it then?
[04:34] <troy_s> JohnC: Which one?
[04:34] <troy_s> JohnC: The wallpaper?
[04:34] <JohnC> either
[04:35] <troy_s> JohnC: I am not a fan of branding.
[04:36] <troy_s> JohnC: Both works seem to also suffer from a need for a more carefully considered tonal range or palette.  Some fundamental colour theory might help?
[04:36] <JohnC> branding?
[04:36] <troy_s> JohnC: The Ubuntu logo in this case.  Also, compositionally, I believe the works could be elevated with a little more formal knowledge.
[04:37] <JohnC> well i just do it for fun
[04:37] <JohnC> i'm not planning to do a course in it or anything
[04:38] <troy_s> JohnC: Even a brief look at wikipedia might help with some of the more familiar concepts of classical composition.
[04:39] <JohnC> ok
[04:39] <JohnC> thanks
[04:39] <troy_s> JohnC: Nice chatting with you.
[11:30] <elwo0d> hi all
[15:25] <kwwii> ok, time to answer emails
[15:25] <kwwii> btw, I pushed some updates to the simplified icons
[15:25] <kwwii> I think that we should go with the simple 2D version for now, perhaps looking into the etched stuff in the future, once we have the basic shapes figured out
[15:26] <kwwii> anyway, the simple 2D stuff will match the text which is already on the panel
[18:25] <kwwii> _MMA_: you have sponsorship for the next UDS?


[08:33] <lazz[m]> !join #ubuntustudio
[12:55] <studio-user255> how about illustrator compatiblity
[12:55] <cfhowlett> vague
[12:56] <studio-user255> does it good in commercial print work
[12:56] <cfhowlett> "it"???
[12:58] <studio-user255> what its  cons & pros
[12:58] <studio-user255> give me reason to use it
[12:59] <cfhowlett> IT?  what is IT?  what are you talking about?
[12:59] <studio-user255> ubuntu studeo
[13:00] <cfhowlett> do you have ubuntu installed?
[13:00] <studio-user255> yes
[13:01] <cfhowlett> install the packages you want to test.  test. and decide for yourself whether they work for you.
[13:01] <studio-user255> thanks
[22:56] <MaynardWaters> Hi guys! Wanted to give some great feedback. I did a fresh ubuntu install then followed the wiki to install studio on top
[22:56] <MaynardWaters> I was able to plug in my new Beringher UMC404 and is opened up in audacity
[22:56] <MaynardWaters> I'm still working on Ardour, but wanted to say that I was really impressed and let you guys know that I think you are awesome
[23:57] <OvenWerks> MaynardWaters: you may want to run ubuntustudio-controls at least once to give your audio programs access to memory locking and rt priveledges.
[23:58] <OvenWerks> Glad it is working right out of the box for you
[23:58] <OvenWerks> (maybe the wiki had you do that already)


[18:22] <ranu> hi
[18:27] <ranu> I've downloaded sptktool box(used in speech processing), done ./configure, make and make install, everything went well.Now if I wanted to use any code i need to go to corresponding folders and only could execute. How to make them available from anywhere?


[00:01] <hellothere> devilspie already did the trick :)
[00:01] <hellothere> thanks again
[00:01] <hellothere> bye
[00:04] <deithrian> Still can't make NumLock to turn on after log-in
[00:05] <deithrian> it doesn't work even with crontab
[00:06] <deithrian> where can i add this command in 11.10 so it will work in Xubuntu 11.10 ? /usr/bin/numlockx on
[00:06] <deithrian> the command works when i do it in terminal but it doesn't when added to a crontab file
[00:07] <deithrian> NumLock is on only in the login screen but then it turns off after login
[00:09] <lordjj> cpu usage monitor seems to indicate high cpu usage in Xubuntu 11.10. Didn't see such percentages in Ubuntu 10.04
[00:56] <jordan_> help
[00:57] <jordan_> is there anyone there that can help me
[00:57] <jordan_> clear
[00:57] <jordan_> exit
[02:35] <ubuntu_> So, I'm on the live CD. My last install of Xubuntu was 10.04. What's new and exciting ...
[02:35] <ubuntu_> Xubuntu 11.10 CD that is
[02:37] <ubuntu_> I had a spin on the Ubuntu 11.10 Live CD ... hmm
[02:38] <ubuntu_> How's the Foundation coming along?
[02:39] <ubuntu_> If I knew how to change my nick to Mikodo with this live cd I would
[02:41] <ubuntu_> Well .... I'll see you ... I'm off to look around in xubuntu 11.10
[03:07] <ubuntu_> I see Pastebinit is included in the install. I was reading from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pastebinit where it gives an example of cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | pastebinit
[03:08] <ubuntu_> Where is the vertical line on a keyboard?
[03:10] <ubuntu_> Oh, I found it || ... Sorry
[03:40] <zus> how can i move this bottom pannel to the RIGHT of the screen? currently it only moves to left and bottom?
[05:15] <xubuntu937> есть кто?
[05:36] <darenw> are there multiple monitor experts here?
[05:38] <well_laid_lawn> the bot knows
[05:38] <well_laid_lawn> !xrandr
[05:39] <darenw> I was using Ubuntu just fine on two monitors - there was a setting window to turn off cloning and arrange the monitors left/right.
[05:40] <darenw> Now I just added xubuntu (good riddance Unity) and can't find how to turn off cloning and otherwise tweak multiple monitors
[05:40] <well_laid_lawn> xfce is a bit lighter than gnome and you have to set some things up manually
[05:40] <well_laid_lawn> some ppl prefer that
[05:41] <preecher> i do-)
[05:41] <darenw> I like Arch with icewm, very light, but decided "just works" and less time on tweaking things was more important
[05:42] <darenw> and couldn't get printing and other things to work on arch.  Ubuntu does everything fine "out of the box" but gnome/unity sux
[05:43] <Epsilonultra> any linux(terminal) pros here
[05:43] <Epsilonultra> i'm only semi new to linux bash but could use a tutorial
[05:44] <well_laid_lawn> there's plenty on the net
[05:44] <well_laid_lawn> but what do you want to know first?
[05:44] <darenw> i've used bash or other shells since the 1980s.  no one is ever really expert though, just gradually less ignorant over time.
[05:45] <well_laid_lawn> here's an easy trick
[05:45] <well_laid_lawn> !tab
[05:48] <darenw> Seems like Settings -> Settings Manager -> Display ought to have something for dealing with multiple monitors...
[05:50] <well_laid_lawn> I don't do multiple monitors but afaik you find the xrandr command that works for you and add it to autostart apps
[05:50] <jarnos> darenw, yes, but you could install arandr to have more power over it.
[05:50] <darenw> what's this new-fangled arandr?
[05:51] <well_laid_lawn> !info arandr
[05:52] <darenw> is that what regular ubuntu uses for as GUI tool to set up multi-monitors?
[05:52] <jarnos> darenw, no
[05:53] <darenw> i wonder what it does use? something custom made by canonical?
[05:54] <darenw> apt-getting the arandr....
[05:55] <darenw> whoo-hoo!  two monitors working fine as one big desktop. wild out of control success!
[05:59]  * well_laid_lawn cheers
[07:30] <ktwo> hi, anyone had problems with the WiFi and /or notification on xubuntu? sometimes im getting disconnected and am not able to reconnect to Wifi
[07:31] <ktwo> only the removal / reinsertion of the usb stick helps
[07:41] <well_laid_lawn> check dmesg in a terminal
[07:45] <ktwo> a lot of these: [  138.050179] wlan2: direct probe to 98:0c:82:3b:6f:6a timed out
[07:46] <ktwo> has something changed in wlan stuff compared to 11.04?
[07:46] <ktwo> because before i never had these
[07:47] <ktwo> in 11.04 i did have to install the realtek driver manually, now it was recognized automatically , maybe that?
[08:50] <peter-sdlkfjad> There is no sound for my user account. A dummy account works fine. Does anyone have solutions for this specific problem?
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> is your user in the audio group?
[10:01] <durammx> hello all!
[10:02] <durammx> I have a little problem with libreoffice on xubuntu
[10:02] <durammx> the tool letter size is very small! How can I edit?
[10:09] <benz0pila> ПРИВЕТ ВСЕМ
[10:09] <benz0pila> ЕПТА
[10:09] <knome> !ru | benz0pila
[10:31] <zniavre> good afternoon
[10:32] <zniavre> i experienced some strange behavior with xfce4-panel and indicator-plugin *
[10:32] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/szLEx.png   icons are reversed
[10:33] <zniavre> to tell you the truth im using gnome-fallbacl + xfce4-panel ...
[10:33] <zniavre> back*
[10:41] <ke-> Cool desktop though
[10:46] <knome> mm, nice idea to match the wallbg to panelbg
[10:48] <zniavre> thank you but my worris is the order of the indicator-plugin in the panel
[10:48] <zniavre> worrie*
[10:48] <zniavre> :o)
[10:48] <zniavre> do you experience the same behavior ?
[10:50] <zniavre> where can i report this "bug" if ever it's one
[10:50] <zniavre> ?
[10:55] <durammx> I have a little problem with libreoffice on xubuntu.
[10:55] <durammx> the tool letter size is very small! How can I edit?
[12:30] <lordjj> How can change the icon for a custom launcher on the panel?
[12:31] <lordjj> Never mind :P
[13:10] <zniavre> good afternoon (again)
[13:10] <zniavre> any idea about the indicator-plugin for xfce4-panel that is in reverse display ?
[13:10] <zniavre> should i report a bug ?
[13:11] <zniavre> (just want to know if it's my config gnome+xfce-panel or real bug )
[13:34] <lordjj_> zinavre "reverse"?
[13:34] <lordjj_> zniavre "reverse"?
[13:35] <zniavre> lordjj_ left side et right and right side at left
[13:35] <zniavre> et>at
[13:35] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/szLEx.png
[13:36] <lordjj_> zniavre I don't understand what's wrong
[13:37] <zniavre> the indicator is not on good order
[13:38] <zniavre> (im sorry i can't find word in english ...
[13:38] <lordjj_> zniavre  try: right click panel > panel preferences > items,  use the up and down arrow icons to move stuff
[13:39] <lordjj_> It seems only the power button is misplaced, right?
[13:39] <zniavre> lordjj_ not that way let me try again > icons on left side should be in right side but only on the indicator-plugin wich is on right side of the panel
[13:40] <zniavre> that right and volume and date-time (if any)
[13:40] <lordjj_> well the volume, messaging, and wifi are in correct order
[13:40] <zniavre> it should be from the right > power>volume>envelopp >wifi > dropbox
[13:41] <zniavre> envelopp is messaging you are right sorry
[13:41] <lordjj_> for me, the order is from right: power, wifi, envelope, sound
[13:41] <zniavre> ho ? are you using xfce 11.10 ?
[13:42] <lordjj_> and the power button is not part of the indicator plugin, yes xfce 11.10
[13:42] <lordjj_> *xubuntu 11.10, xfce 4 :P
[13:42] <zniavre> power is not a part of indicator-plugin ?
[13:42] <lordjj_> the power button is part of another item, not indicator-plugin
[13:42] <zniavre> ho ...
[13:43] <zniavre> maybe it's due to my strange config
[13:43] <zniavre> gnome+xfcepanel
[13:43] <lordjj_> try moving the session menu item the way i told you
[13:44] <lordjj_> "session menu" or something like that (session, shurdown, etc maybe)
[13:45] <zniavre> session menu is stuck with all the indicators
[13:45] <lordjj_> not that way on my panel
[13:45] <lordjj_> well I have to go
[13:45] <zniavre> :o(
[13:45] <zniavre> thank you answering
[13:45] <lordjj_> try the panel preferences > items > arrows and experiment with moving stuff
[13:46] <lordjj_> also try to restart the panel in case its stuck (run and see: xfce4-panel --help )
[13:47] <zniavre> i restarted it few time already (using it since yesterday)
[13:47] <zniavre> ho leaving ...
[14:34] <LyzardKing> I need help with xfce4-power-manager
[14:34] <LyzardKing> It just is not starting
[14:46] <jon5000> hello.  can someone help me add a printer to my xubuntu machine.  i have been having no luck
[14:58] <jon5000> Help.  My printer is not showing up and i am having trouble getting it to connect.
[15:52] <pistulet> heccrbt tcnm&
[15:52] <pistulet> русские есть?
[15:53] <genii-around> !ru
[15:54] <sambro> in xubuntu, how do i set which desktop is default when i login?
[16:02] <tsaavik> hey all, like many others (i'm sure) I've recently scurried over to xubuntu. Can anyone recommend a 'style' (theme) that works well? I'm using NOX, and it ALMOST works, I just can't tell which tab is active in a gnome-terminal. Thanks!
[16:02] <Sysi> greybird is nice
[16:04] <tsaavik> Sysi: Awesome, thanks! I can see the active tabs now :D Now I just have to get used to the bright white non-goth look, lol. :D
[16:17] <sambro> what directory are the xubuntu desktop wallpapers in?
[16:44] <joris> he doest somebody know a way to get a split screen in thunar, similar to F3 in nautilus?
[16:45] <TheSheep> joris: you can't
[16:46] <joris> hmmm... ok
[17:15] <reon> oi
[17:29] <roxx> how do I turn off the "Guest Account" that is automatically placed on the longin screen to xubuntu?
[17:30] <charlie-tca> roxx: http://ftbeowulf.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/how-to-disable-the-ubuntu-11-10-guest-session/
[17:32] <roxx> charlie-tca: Thanks!
[17:32] <knome> charlie-tca, thanks too :P
[17:32] <Sysi> I wish I could've got autologin working
[17:32] <Sysi> I'll check config..
[17:33] <roxx> bye!
[17:39] <Sysi> whee, just little tweaking
[17:39] <knome> some lightdm stuff could go on the new website, once we get that published
[17:39] <knome> that reminds me, i should fix things
[17:39] <knome> meh
[18:29] <w30> When I ctrl-alt-Fn1 and then back to X with ctrl-alt-Fn7 I get a black screen with wite cursor. If I highlight squares with the mouse, the squares redraw my screen. What gives?
[18:30] <w30> I'm running compiz with --indirect-rendering --replace
[18:31] <w30> It's ok without compiz
[18:31] <w30> GForce 7900 GT/GTO
[18:50] <uofm49426> xfce-radio-plugin is broken i think keep crashing
[21:17] <Andres-kain> any .gdsII editor that anybody can recomend?
[21:19] <knome> Andres-kain, i think your best friend might be "gdsii ubuntu" :) that gives at least some resources...
[21:20] <Andres-kain> knome, I don't understand.
[21:21] <knome> Andres-kain, i can't recommend any editors. you might want to check google
[21:21] <Andres-kain> tried that, it refers me to projects that seem dataed.
[21:22] <knome> mmh, i searched the ubuntu repositories for "gds" and i didn't get any results
[21:22] <Andres-kain> was hoping someone here was using something like that.
[21:22] <knome> mmh
[21:23] <Andres-kain> electric is one. but no mention on gds that is true.
[21:23] <knome> since xubuntu shares repositories with ubuntu, you could ask #ubuntu too, i think...
[21:24] <knome> (more people there, so better possibilities to catch someone who uses something like that)
[21:27] <Andres-kain> thanks! good idea!
[21:28] <Zacarias> What does the "old" (as oposed to "linux" mean in a yaboot prompt?
[21:31] <njok> what's a good theme for xubuntu, i like greybird but the color of the context menu is too dark,..
[21:32] <knome> njok, no other theme supports gtk3 as well, but you could try bluebird and albatross too
[21:32] <knome> njok, (greybird is based on bluebird)
[21:33] <njok> ok, i'm going slowly through all of them :)
[21:34] <knome> njok, at least in natty, wildbush made your session go nuts, so better watch out
[21:35] <charlie-tca> Greybird is the only gtk2 and gtk3 theme
[21:35] <charlie-tca> clearlooks works, but will make any gtk3 app look weird
[21:43] <Zacarias> Is it Xubuntu 11.10 using Gnome 3-2-0? Shouldn' it be using Xfce?
[21:44] <knome> Zacarias, it is not
[21:45] <Zacarias> knome: that's what the System Monitor is saying (Linux 2.6.38-powerpc, GNOME 3.2.0)
[21:46] <knome> Zacarias, that's because the system monitor is a gnome application, and the libraries it uses are from gnome 3.2.0
[21:46] <Zacarias> knome, ok!
[22:00] <larryni> Hi. I installed Xubuntu 11.10 earlier and can't connect to remote shares through Thunar or Gigolo. Gigolo says that it only supports Unix Device (file) protocol. Any ideas?
[22:01] <knome> !info gvfs-backends
[22:02] <Unit193> I think you may be looking for gvfs.... ^^^
[22:02] <knome> larryni, install that
[22:04] <larryni> Cheers. I checked earlier that gvfs was installed, never saw gvfs-backends! Off to try this.
[22:09] <larryni> Thanks guys, that did the trick :)
[23:06] <Zacarias> After lots of problems with the heaviness of 11.04 and the booting process (yaboot for ppc) with 11.10, I reinstalled 10.04 (maybe upgrade to 10.10). What do I loose?
[23:08] <Andres-kain> leafpad?
[23:12] <Zacarias> Andres-kain: that's for me? I'll loose leafpad? And is it important?
[23:13] <Andres-kain> XD no. not important. i do not think.
[23:14] <Andres-kain> you can always install it.
[23:14] <Andres-kain> zacarias editor by default was mousepad i think.
[23:15] <Zacarias> Yes, I think so
[23:15] <Unit193> Mousepad was default, and an older version of Xfce
[23:27] <Andres-kain> bye!
[23:51] <babble> hey everyone -
[23:51] <babble> I've been backing up my system directories following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR
[23:53] <babble> after I borked something this afternoon, I tried restoring from my latest system backup to end up in a grub prompt instead of the usual grub loader; following the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 to do a fresh install of grub (i.e. grub-install --boot-directory=/media/xubuntu /dev/sda) still dropped me to a grub prompt instead of booting to a desktop.
[23:54] <babble> has Xubuntu done something I need to be aware of wrt to the usual Grub installation?


[11:04] <n0u> 2.6.20-rc6 \o/
[01:17] <zul> kylem: -30C outside with the windchill
[01:29] <Lure> BenC: this simple patch fixes bad state problem on many newer HP laptops: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=179702#c106
[01:29] <Lure> Can we get this into Feisty at least?
[01:39] <Lure> BenC: this is kernel bug about it: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7689
[02:22] <BenC> 23193 ?        S<     0:00 [ipw3945_w]
[02:22] <BenC> 23194 ?        S<     0:00 [ipw3945_d]
[02:22] <BenC> mucho better
[02:23] <BenC> 23193 ?        S<     0:00 [ipw3945_w]
[02:23] <BenC> 23194 ?        S<     0:00 [ipw3945_d]
[02:23] <BenC> kylem: it's purty now
[02:24] <Lure> [13:29]  <Lure> BenC: this simple patch fixes bad state problem on many newer HP laptops: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=179702#c106
[02:24] <Lure> [13:29]  <Lure> Can we get this into Feisty at least?
[02:24] <Lure> [13:39]  <Lure> BenC: this is kernel bug about it: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7689
[02:24] <BenC> "bad state"?
[02:25] <Lure> BenC: yes, w/o the patch (or modprobe -r psmouse before reboot), you get ACPI parts not working propelly (fans, battery) and slow boot
[02:26] <BenC> Lure: I have that patc
[02:26] <Lure> BenC: I did not see it in feisty (git)
[02:26] <BenC> Atleast I am sure I included this patch at one point, or was considering it
[02:26] <Lure> BenC: not here: http://zeus2.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git;a=blob;f=drivers/input/serio/serio.c;h=f0ce822c1028741efabecf0cef37e1e356754eb5;hb=HEAD
[02:27] <BenC> commit 2365e9585cdc207280bbda4017921aa8b6e5224a
[02:27] <BenC> Author: Ben Collins<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:27] <BenC> Date:   Wed Jan 10 14:23:45 2007 -0500
[02:27] <BenC>     UBUNTU: acpi/osl: Dedicated work queue for notify() execution
[02:27] <BenC>     OriginalAuthor: Alexey Starikovskiy<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:27] <BenC>     OriginalLocation: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5534
[02:27] <BenC>     Bug: 75398
[02:27] <Lure> BenC: line 974 or so
[02:27] <Lure> BenC: this is different one - this one helps with fan only
[02:27] <Lure> this is kernel bug 5534 afair
[02:28] <Lure> BenC: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5534
[02:29] <BenC> Ok
[02:29] <BenC> why isn't this in mainline kernel yet?
[02:29] <Lure> BenC: the serio patch is for newer HP laptops (dual core and stuff) - I have some developers here that have to switch to Windows ;-(
[02:29] <Lure> BenC: they are now back on Linux with workaround
[02:30] <Lure> BenC: not sure - maybe in rc6?
[02:42] <BenC> if it was, I'd have it here...I'll check
[02:43] <BenC> Lure: not in -rc6
[02:44] <BenC> Lure: there were lots of updates in -rc6 for serio...maybe test it when I upload next week, or compile out of git if you want
[02:51] <\sh> BenC, are you planning to include the nozomi kernel drivers for the newer qualcomm 3G+ umts cards?
[02:51] <BenC> Only if I get a bug showing me where the source and everything is :)
[02:51] <\sh> benc: hehe ok :)
[02:56] <\sh> BenC, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/81467


[00:02] <Elysion> Thankyou, Im all good right now though :)
[01:04] <loot> go
[12:58] <kankusht> good morning, does anyone know how to get out of kiosk mode on ubuntustudio?
[13:30] <kankusht> is anyone there?
[22:20] <studio-user636> Hellooo
[22:20] <studio-user636> I'm new to ubuntu
[22:21] <studio-user636> is there anyone how was able to pair devices with bluetooth?
[22:28] <studio-user636> I have installed ubunto studio 14.10
[22:28] <studio-user636> sorry 16.10
[22:37] <emitattuo> Hi, I have 16.10, and I'm trying to get my Novation Ultranova, which has a built-in audio/MIDI interface, to work.  Neither aplay -l or amidi -l show anything relevant, but I do see it on lsusb.


[01:48] <mungo-> i bought 3 packs of 20 for ubuntuone, and i'm having an issue on natty.  only 32MB has been uploaded and i've marked data for backup for hours and hours.
[12:05] <jo-erlend> can someone help me a little bit with using desktopcouch in python? Or maybe there's a better place to ask?
[12:13] <fagan> jo-erlend: Im not great a desktop couch
[12:13] <jo-erlend> I'm preparing something to paste :)
[12:14] <duanedesign> hello jo-erlend
[12:15] <duanedesign> you can ask, does not hurt. If someone knows they will chime in
[12:15] <duanedesign> hello mr fagan
[12:21] <jo-erlend> http://paste.ubuntu.com/585843/ <-- How do I get only documents where doc.user == "jo-erlend"=
[12:21] <jo-erlend> ?
[12:25] <jo-erlend> in other words: how do I provide key, startkey, endkey, etc?
[12:39] <jo-erlend> heh, that was easy: for doc in records["key goes here"]:
[12:42] <fagan> hey duanedesign
[13:45] <jo-erlend> synchronizing contacts works perfectly from 10.04, but not at all from 10.10. That's contrary to what it says on the ubuntu one website.
[18:32] <fagan> jo-erlend: id say report a bug and some can look into it on monday
[18:32]  * fagan only saw the message there
[18:33] <fagan> jo-erlend: was this what you saw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status#Contacts ?
[18:33] <fagan> (about it working perfect for 10.04 and 10.10)
[18:34] <fagan> Whoops I mean not working perfect for 10.04 but working from 10.10
[18:40] <jo-erlend> fagan: yes.
[18:55] <fagan> jo-erlend: then yeah report a bug and poke someone on monday
[18:56] <fagan> because it might have something to do with the backported patch being borked
[19:11] <jo-erlend> fagan: but it _works_ on 10.04. It's on 10.10 that it doesn't.
[19:19] <fagan> jo-erlend: thats why I said file a bug
[19:19] <fagan> there was a patch recently that might be causing it
[19:23]  * fagan ->afk
[21:06] <adorilson> hi, folks
[21:08] <adorilson> any problems with ubuntuone server ?
[21:08] <adorilson> s/any/some
[21:26] <rye> adorilson, could you please be more specific?
[21:27] <rye> couchdb up, api up
[21:53] <karni> good evening!
[23:24] <duanedesign> evening kenvandine
[23:24] <duanedesign> oops
[23:25] <duanedesign> evening karni
[23:25] <karni> evening duanedesign, how's your weekend?
[23:26] <duanedesign> good. getting frustrated with treestore in pygtk :)
[23:31] <karni> ah I see :) I had the same thing, but in C ;)
[23:32] <karni> then I ported it to Java. similar complexity, though. it's not really straightforward, is it duanedesign :)
[23:38] <duanedesign> karni: yeah. trying to filter the treestore. It is filtering out the parent node no matter what i do :\
[23:39] <karni> duanedesign: ah, haven't been there, can't help [as in: I don't wanna look at this at 00:39AM ;D]
[23:48] <duanedesign> lol
[23:54] <Tommy3> My SATA drive wont boot since I did patches yesterday. (10.10) where should I go for help?


[00:00] <arraybolt3> alright, sasl working
[00:05] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Oh good!
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/57a40c93/file_9995.jpg
[00:25] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: ok I'll send you my final diff ^^^^^^^^^^^
[00:25] <Eickmeyer> \o/
[00:25] <tsimonq2> If you set Prompt=normal, I think it should JFDI. If not, set the EOL date for Jammy in the csv file to something earlier, or whatever.
[00:26] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I'm keeping my test version number as-is, fight me :P
[00:26] <Eickmeyer> hehehe
[00:27] <Eickmeyer> Feel free to send it, but I probably won't action anything until Monday. Tired and need to rest. Took the boy to the pumpkin patch with his friends today.
[00:27] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: No worries; I'd at least like you to glance at the changelog and chuckle ;)
[00:28] <Eickmeyer> Am I going to have to debdiff my git repo?
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/28b67de2/yay.patch
 Nah, that's a clean patch for the latest commit
[00:30] <Eickmeyer> PfffffffhAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[00:30] <tsimonq2> You're welcome >:D
[00:30] <tsimonq2> I mean, technically, your code DDoSes git.launchpad.net
[00:30] <tsimonq2> make no use = make it not use
[00:31] <tsimonq2> #ErichsFault
[00:31] <Eickmeyer> #BlameSimon
[00:31]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> assigns fault to teward for absolutely no reason
[00:31] <Eickmeyer> Screw it, I'm keeping that changelog entry with a big ol' [ Simon Quigley ] right above it.
[00:33] <Eickmeyer> FWIW, I had a changelog entry for ubuntustudio-meta 0.300 with the entry * We. Are. SPARTA!!! in it.
[00:34] <tsimonq2> BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[00:35] <teward> *pushes arraybolt3 out of the project out of spite*
[00:35] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I mean, I *would* feel *slightly* embarrassed if that went into an SRU like that :P
[00:35] <teward> you blamed me so i mean xD
[00:35] <tsimonq2> (I think vorlon would laugh though, so)
[00:35] <teward> *sips hot cocoa*
[00:35] <tsimonq2> teward: OH right let me sponsor your shiznit rq
[00:35] <tsimonq2> btw it's a blindsponsor idc
[00:36]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> disregards teward's ban and re-joins via a VPN
[00:36] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: I know for a fact vorlon saw it because he did the very next upload.
[00:37] <tsimonq2> "How tf do you use GBP again?"
[00:41] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Now, since I'm a good open source citizen, I'm sending a PR to KDE for this.
[00:41] <teward> *pulls out the Community Council hat and hard-slaps arraybolt3 from On High*
[00:41] <teward> tsimonq2: i mentioned in my email i have a few sponsors willing to blind/semiblind stuff I have direct upload on anyways
[00:42] <teward> so i can still contribute until my key is replaced. but with someone from the Debian Community Team on the list and hoping for a swift resolution that should help with the keysign issues
[00:44] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: To be fair, neon is only ddosing their own servers. :P
[00:45] <tsimonq2> teward: cool :)
[00:45] <tsimonq2> teward: blindsponsoring is discouraged but... you're teward :P
[00:45] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Do you have a KDE Identity account? me no haz access
[00:45] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: I do.
[00:45] <tsimonq2> Was supposed to send me an email... didn't. Lmao.
[00:46] <arraybolt3> I have one too fwiw
[00:46] <Eickmeyer> bruh
[00:46] <teward> tsimonq2: given blindsponsor for xca is equivalent to me uploading w/o sponsoring... :P
[00:46] <teward> i dont think anyone will argue just make sure to close the rds
[00:46] <teward> rfs*
[00:48] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I just used my Altispeed email and it worked, plus Kubuntu is the Standard at Altispeed, so, that works ;)
[00:48] <tsimonq2> teward: fair :)
[00:48] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Not surprised.  It's nice to see.
[00:53] <teward> pfft that won't last xD
[00:54] <teward> i had a good night's sleep, some caffeine, time out and about
[00:54] <teward> and now i'm about to wage war with Microsoft again because MS365 is a **bitch** somewhat
[00:54] <teward> oops i forgot i'm on IRC i shouldn't swear
[00:54] <Eickmeyer> !language | teward 😁
[00:54] <teward> *slaps Eickmeyer with a rotting fish*
[00:54] <Eickmeyer> hehehe
[00:55] <arraybolt3> *installs a custom immutable distro on teward's daily driver*
[00:55] <Eickmeyer> *lubuntu core desktop intensifies*
[00:55] <arraybolt3> speaking of which, was there progress on the immutable Ubuntu desktop spins lately?
[00:56] <Eickmeyer> WIP as far as I know, arraybolt3 .
[00:56] <tsimonq2> https://invent.kde.org/system/distro-release-notifier/-/merge_requests/6
[00:56] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Merge 6 in system/distro-release-notifier "Instead of using a remote service, query distro-info-data" [Opened]
[03:32] <teward> tsimonq2: learn to read email bounces.  the reasons and original messages are provided intentionally in the bounces.  Origin sender DMARC breaks mailing lists.
[03:32] <teward> if i have to say it again i'mma start charging by the email xD
[04:29] <arraybolt3> mmm, sounds like we're about to have to invent e-stamps
 I really do have an itch to write an autopkgtest for plasma-d-u-n because it's so darn fidgety to test manually
 Okay, so I have that selection screen working in Cala \o/
 There's a patch to Cala itself updating some behavior to, well, work lol
 I'll post the PR when it's up
 Side note, Cala looks 10x better with lxqt-sudo -E - why did we disable env var passing again? Something with teeming? guiverc @kc2bez @arraybolt3
[15:53] <arraybolt3> IIRC we disabled it because Calamares stopped launching altogether with it for a while.
 Oh really?
[15:53] <arraybolt3> I think we switched it over to pkexec because of that.
[15:53] <arraybolt3> Thus the horrible theming.
[15:54] <arraybolt3> I guess if it works with lxqt-sudo again, may as well switch back :D
 Well, this cycle will be frontloaded with lots of stuff to test, I think adding that onto the list isn't outside the realm of possibility
[15:54] <arraybolt3> +1
 Also, that -E option is my new code
 Per bdmurray's request, at least the release upgrader needs it
[15:55] <arraybolt3> Yeah, I think that's what happened - we were running it with normal sudo or something and it was causing some weird (dbus-reladed?) start failure.
 I don't see why we couldn't use it here
[15:55] <arraybolt3> So yeah, if it works, shipit
[15:55] <arraybolt3> Speaking of which, I'm itching to actually *do* something now that I'm back, perhaps I should start fiddling with the idea of a Wayland session via a PPA...
 Also, I'm switching all of our sources.list files on install to deb822, right at the dawn of the cycle
[15:56] <arraybolt3> deb822?
[15:56]  * arraybolt3 is unaware of a standard most likely
 Go for it :) also, we should have native theming for Qt 6 apps. That just needs a Qt 6 build of lxqt-qtplugin, which just needs packaging. I just don't know how it works with both installed at the same time
[15:56] <arraybolt3> \o/
 LXQt won't be ready for full Qt 6 this cycle I don't think, but we should at least be theming individual components
 For example, Cala porting just finished like... yesterday
[15:57] <arraybolt3> Probably because of missing KF6 components I would ugess?
[15:57] <arraybolt3> (re: not ready for full qt 6 this cycle)
 Cala Qt6 fully functional, QML modules load, virtualkeyboard looks much better now : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/8475bd17/file_9999.jpg
 Yeah exactly
[15:57] <arraybolt3> oh fancy
 I've heard from some KDE Sources that they recommend we don't ship KF6 this cycle
[15:58] <arraybolt3> Yeah, don't "D
[15:58] <arraybolt3> *:D
 https://repolib.readthedocs.io/en/latest/deb822-format.html
 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/spec-apt-deb822-sources-by-default/29333
[15:58] <arraybolt3> (I was still working with KDE while I was gone since that was part of my job, so I've been tracking some of the Plasma 6 ~~mayhem~~ progress)
[16:00] <arraybolt3> Oh wow so they entirely changed the whole file format for sources.list
[16:01] <arraybolt3> Now it looks more like a control file :P
 we were using just `sudo` which was problematic. pkexec was the upstream preference so rather than buck the system... (re @tsimonq2: Side note, Cala looks 10x better with lxqt-sudo -E - why did we disable env var passing again? Something with theming? guiverc @kc2bez @arraybolt3)
 That makes sense, and to be clear, I agree with the logic that got us here (re @kc2bez: we were using just sudo which was problematic. pkexec was the upstream preference so rather than buck the system...)
 That being said, lxqt-sudo is meant to be a drop-in replacement for pkexec
 And to be clear I like where you are going with it.
 Sounds good :)
 Umm, where did the Calamares packaging repo go?
[16:24] <arraybolt3> https://git.lubuntu.me/Lubuntu/calamares-packaging ?
 Yeah, that is a mirror though to the somewhat behind GitHub
 I thought it was in LP
 https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qt-code/+git/calamares
 but obviously nothing there ^
 Anyway, I was going to point out that we need to edit this patch https://git.lubuntu.me/Lubuntu/calamares-packaging/src/branch/ubuntu/kinetic/debian/patches/0001-replace-pkexec-by-sudo.patch
[17:22] <tsimonq2> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qt-code/+git/calamares-settings-ubuntu/commit/?h=ubuntu/future/nn
[17:22] <tsimonq2> bah this is better https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qt-code/+git/calamares-settings-ubuntu/commit/?h=ubuntu/future/nn&id=960bde6b67cdc0dcd64c26816de1f24ee51e1807
[17:22] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Commit 960bde6 in ~ubuntu-qt-code/+git/calamares-settings-ubuntu "Finish the prototype for pkgselect, which stores the values in GlobalStorage for later usage by a contextualprocess ubuntu/future/nn"
[17:43] <tsimonq2> Now, the biggest hurdle will be grabbing the snap preseed logic from livecd-rootfs...
[17:46]  * Eickmeyer watches tsimonq2 reinvent the wheel for reasons
[17:46] <tsimonq2> Yeah, that's right, unfortunately >_<
[18:08] <arraybolt3> Sorry for leaves/joins, having network problems influenced by a problematic NVIDIA setup
[18:57] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: You're good, I have them hidden anyway.
[18:57] <tsimonq2> (And I would suggest you do the same, maybe except for the support channel :) )
[18:57] <tsimonq2> This script... actually works. Problem is twofold though:
[18:58] <tsimonq2>  A) Let's say firefox depends on core22. In a few years, it will depend on core24, but there is *nothing* telling snapd "hey, there's no more connections here, remove the old snap".
[18:58] <tsimonq2>  B) There is *no* dependency resolution. Which means we'll have to hack it together ourselves.
[18:59] <tsimonq2> Those are existing problems we already face; in livecd-rootfs it's simply worked around.
[19:00] <tsimonq2> I mean, if I want to get weird, I could add a snap autoremove in l-u-n >:P
[19:00] <tsimonq2> (I'm sure I'd hear some choice words from the snap team ;) )
[19:03] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: The way it's done, snaps are frozen in releases, meaning firefox in 23.10 will always be firefox release/stable/ubuntu-23.10, so whatever was released with it. The core22 requirement would never change. Any changes in the next release need to be done in the seed. For LTS, that also won't change as release/stable/ubuntu-22.04 will always
[19:03] <Eickmeyer> use core20, even in point releases.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> Everything is done in the seed, and cala shouldn't have to handle it.
[19:05] <tsimonq2> Except if Calamares is installing new snaps (with a disclaimer!!!!!) that are *NOT* already pre-seeded.
[19:05] <tsimonq2> I'm imagining like, an LTS to LTS upgrade. Those old snaps won't be removed, will they?
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> That would go against TB guidance (which they would tell you).
[19:05] <tsimonq2> Where are the docs?
[19:05] <tsimonq2> Last I heard, TB said it was fine with a disclaimer.
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> LTS to LTS, snaps are handled by ubuntu-release-upgrader.
[19:06] <tsimonq2> In this case, it's not much different than allowing the users to install snaps via, idk, Discover.
[19:06] <tsimonq2> Opt-in, with a disclaimer, with trusted snaps, on the existing snap store.
[19:06] <tsimonq2> What's the problem?
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> They simply do "snap --switch {new target}" via ubuntu-release-upgrader.
[19:06] <tsimonq2> Hm.
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> That's for seeded snaps.
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> What's the use case for Cala installing snaps?
[19:07] <tsimonq2> Let me ask again: show me the money :)
[19:07] <tsimonq2> Where's the policy?
[19:07]  * Eickmeyer looks for it
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1apUKR4gtOrfPGCWmtoebaQUhoy-fG8Cyo3VKJyhnpD0/edit#
[19:10] <tsimonq2> "If a user explicitly chooses to opt in to some other software source and is reasonably informed or is otherwise reasonably expected to understand that this choice means that Ubuntu is not responsible for software installed from this source, then this policy does not apply. "
[19:10] <tsimonq2> You were saying?
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> Scroll down to Appendix C, but I've been given hard NACKs by vorlon.
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> Also, I was told to remove the PPA enablement of the Ubuntu Studio Backports PPA from ubuntustudio-installer by vorlon because it goes against that doc.
[19:12] <tsimonq2> Again, doesn't apply if they're "reasonably informed"
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, they were reasonably informed, and still got the hard NACK.
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> I saw it as no different from `add-apt-repository` and was still told NACK.
[19:13] <tsimonq2> "We are NOT responsible for these packages, install at your own risk" that clearly falls under the exception
[19:13] <tsimonq2> Doesn't Ubuntu MATE do this?
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I tried that too. Ubuntu MATE is being told NACK and ignoring it.
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> Notice Ubuntu MATE doesn't exactly participate in Ubuntu much anymore.
[19:14] <tsimonq2> If this is the policy text, I'll go by the policy text, unless the TB has resolved to amend the policy text.
[19:15] <Eickmeyer> Here's the thing: they're writing one thing and certain members are saying another. It's really confusing.
[19:15] <Eickmeyer> And the AAs can't agree either.
[19:16] <tsimonq2> In this case, I think I'll be asking for forgiveness instead of permission.
[19:16] <tsimonq2> The policy clearly gives it an exception.
[19:16] <Eickmeyer> I think these are feathers you don't want to ruffle.
[19:16] <tsimonq2> Remember when I refused to ship snapd for several releases in Lubuntu? I have ruffled these feathers before.
 It has had some heavy discussion
[19:16] <Eickmeyer> I was explicitly told, in no uncertain terms, to remove the code from ubuntustudio-installer.
[19:18] <Eickmeyer> It's part of the reason we're sunsetting our backports PPA.
 Different sheriffs in town now. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> Remember when I refused to ship snapd for several releases in Lubuntu? I have ruffled these feathers before.)
[19:20] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Give me some logs so I can prepare my defense, please.
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> It was while I was trying to put together edubuntu-installer for similar purposes minus the backports PPA and vorlon admonished me.
[19:25] <tsimonq2> Let me see what I can do.
 It was also discussed at one of the flavor meetings, I don't think we have any logs for that.
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2023/01/12/%23ubuntu-release.html#t19:16
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> Specifically: vorlon	hopefully not too much like ubuntustudio-installer which afaik has been out of compliance with TB guidance around third-party repositories for years
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> That implies it needed to be removed even though there was a warning.
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> I was remembering incorrectly about being explicitly told.
[19:39] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: See PM
[20:10] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Hey, yo, did you save SVGs for those slideshow images?
[20:19] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Sadly, never made SVGs.
[20:19] <arraybolt3> The source files are and always have been XCFs.
[20:19] <tsimonq2> So uh, what's that? XD
[20:20] <arraybolt3> XCF = GIMP's native raster file format
[20:20] <tsimonq2> Ah, cool.
[20:20] <tsimonq2> I almost wonder if we could do something to generate those more dynamically. You know, for locales and all that.
[20:20] <arraybolt3> I belive I sent the files earlier, but I can resend them if desired.
[20:20] <tsimonq2> Please :)
[20:20] <arraybolt3> But now that I'm here I can maybe do more slideshow and wallpaper work :)
[20:20] <arraybolt3> One moment, gotta wash a spatula
[20:20] <tsimonq2> No worries :)
[20:23] <arraybolt3> ZIP payload coming in hot!
 file Archive.zip too big to download (3021194 > allowed size: 1000000)
[20:24] <arraybolt3> lubot doesn't like it, but it's on Matrix.
[20:24] <arraybolt3> Hmm, the locales stuff sounds interesting.
[20:25] <arraybolt3> Also I can try and make the next slideshow SVG-based since it sounds like that's the preferred file format in these parts.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> I mean, whatever works, to be honest.
 We have the images in their native format in a repo
[21:18] <kc2bez> @tsimonq2 arraybolt3 https://git.lubuntu.me/Lubuntu/art-sources
[21:22] <kc2bez> Fair. I think we can probably do that, it is our own git.
[21:24] <kc2bez> It shouldn't be visible but you should still have access. I made it private.
[21:25] <kc2bez> 404s if I am not logged in.
 Cool. The Lubuntu logo is what I'm worried about.
[21:25] <kc2bez> Understood
[21:26] <kc2bez> Version control and branches are nice though :P
[21:27] <kc2bez> If we had an art team we could delegate access too.
 @tsimonq2 @kc2bez i would wait until Ubuntu Core switches to deb822 before standardizing it in Lubuntu because there could be Problems if its not done for all flavors simultaneously
 core being the core components of Ubuntu
 not the snapped Ubuntu Core version
 Why should that matter if deb822 support is fully baked?
 saw 822 on this cycle but Foundations is in charge of that stuff
 I already talked with juliank :)
 He's doing it this cycle
 @tsimonq2 on-upgrade tasks in d-r-u, etc.
 just sayin
 *shrug*
 also go take a day off you overwork yourself.
 they call it alpha for a reason XD
 nah I don't need one yet
 *puts tsimonq2 in the sleep chamber&
[21:47]  * kc2bez wonders about this sleep thing and thinks it might be nice to try it sometime.
[21:52] <kc2bez> It does seem prudent to plan for it. It seems to have a high likelyhood to happen in the NN cycle. The email thread starts here - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2023-September/042791.html
 Having it on default install in an alpha is what we're going for, not force-migrating anyone XD
[21:53] <kc2bez> Seems like exactly the time to test
[21:57] <tsimonq2> apt-get -y --purge remove snapd vlc plasma-discover muon transmission-qt quassel 2048-qt featherpad noblenote kcalc qps zsync partitionmanager qapt-deb-installer picom qlipper qtpass libreoffice*
[21:57] <tsimonq2> That's minimal install right now.
[21:57] <tsimonq2> Any suggestions/tweaks/additions welcome.
[21:58] <arraybolt3> Install only what's necessary rather than installing everything and removing what's unneeded?
[21:58] <arraybolt3> I know that's probably impossible but...
[21:58] <tsimonq2> That would require squashfses, which do technically exist.
[21:58] <arraybolt3> because the installer just clones the squashfs which is a non-minimal install
[21:58] <tsimonq2> *layered squashfses
[21:58] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Yeah, so I'd check to see if the main desktop ISO has layered squashfses, they might
[21:58] <arraybolt3> That's probably a bit much to ask from the live CD build infra people
[21:59] <arraybolt3> I don't have it downloaded at the moment... er...?
[21:59] <arraybolt3> wait I do
[21:59] <tsimonq2> Nah, it's a few lines of ancient, fragile bash that powers the whole build system XD
[21:59] <kc2bez> Xubuntu seems to get away with it
[21:59] <tsimonq2> wait a sec tho :)
[21:59] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/mantic/ubuntu/+build/511907
[21:59] <tsimonq2> OOOOOOOOH they do
[21:59] <arraybolt3> well would you look at that
[22:00] <arraybolt3> not just layered, but layers and layers and layers looks like
[22:00] <arraybolt3> holy smoke, last I looked inside one of these there was just one squashfs.img
[22:00] <arraybolt3> now it looks like someone sneezed into the ISO :P
[22:01] <tsimonq2> https://git.launchpad.net/livecd-rootfs/tree/live-build/auto/config#n213
[22:01] <arraybolt3> I wonder if this is a consequence of Subiquity that it's done like that now?
[22:01] <arraybolt3> But at any rate, if we can take advantage of that, I would love that.
[22:01] <tsimonq2> https://git.launchpad.net/livecd-rootfs/tree/live-build/auto/config#n716
[22:01] <arraybolt3> One disadvantage of a full install that is then pared down to a minimal one is that you have to have eough disk space to *do* a full install even if you only *want* a minimal one.
[22:02] <tsimonq2> Fun fact: a base install of Lubuntu with that "minimal install" is only like... 4.5 GB
[22:02] <arraybolt3> Another one is that as nice as apt purge is, it doesn't always really remove *everything*
[22:02] <arraybolt3> especially when snapd is in the picture
[22:02] <tsimonq2> I mean, since snaps are pre-seeded and snapd has never actually *launched*, that should be fine.
[22:02] <arraybolt3> (I once stripped snapd and Firefox out of a rather cramped machine to save space. The amount of leftovers from the process was... a lot. I had to go through and clean up so much)
[22:02] <arraybolt3> oh that's a good point
[22:03] <arraybolt3> oh, one more point of input, I wouldn't remove Featherpad from a minimal install.
[22:03] <arraybolt3> Vim probably takes up more space, is less-used, and most users will want to at least edit plain text even on a minimal machine.
[22:04] <tsimonq2> We are not removing Vim ever and that's final XD
[22:04] <arraybolt3> I know we all love Vim around here but for our general userbase... perhaps...
[22:04] <kc2bez> nano is there too
[22:04] <tsimonq2> That's it! Remove nano
[22:04] <arraybolt3> nano is hidden from the user
[22:04] <tsimonq2> >:P
[22:04] <kc2bez> XD
[22:04] <arraybolt3> Vim is at least somewhat visible but...
[22:05] <arraybolt3> Even if we keep Vim, I'd still say keep Featherpad in a minimal install. It's far too valuable for the average user.
[22:05] <kc2bez> I thought nano was the default on a fresh install
[22:05] <arraybolt3> If I booted up Windows and Notepad was missing I'd be a bit dismayed :P
[22:05] <arraybolt3> also... kcalc?
[22:05] <arraybolt3> Minimal != skeletal :D
[22:06] <kc2bez> I am good with that
[22:08] <kc2bez> Lubuntu 💀 edition XD
[22:09] <arraybolt3> I dunno, I guess I'm viewing a minimal install as if it were for a standard user, whereas that's what the standard install is for. The minimal one is for people who want to build from zero, so starting from zero makes sense.
[22:09] <kc2bez> You have a desktop environment :P
[22:09] <arraybolt3> exactly
[22:10] <tsimonq2> Only keeps openbox, no theming or DE XD
[22:10] <arraybolt3> In that instance, do we need the file archiver?
[22:10] <arraybolt3> How about ImageMagick, LXImage, and Skanlite? Qpdfview?
[22:10] <tsimonq2> Some of those need to be demoted to recommends in the seed first.
[22:11] <tsimonq2> Or, if we go the layered route, a separate seed entirely.
[22:11] <kc2bez> Imagemagick gets pulled in with something else
[22:11] <arraybolt3> VLC could be removed too.
[22:11] <tsimonq2> Also https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qt-code/+git/calamares-settings-ubuntu/commit/?h=ubuntu/future/nn&id=7435b14ef183971e8ce30ea271fa16a1d94f754c *COUGH*
[22:11] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Commit 7435b14 in ~ubuntu-qt-code/+git/calamares-settings-ubuntu "Completely finish the backend for pkgselect ubuntu/future/nn"
[22:11] <arraybolt3> Must be a Recommends of something since Lubuntu is happy to let me strip it out
[22:11] <tsimonq2> Looks like it's time for some deb822 ;)
[22:11] <arraybolt3> (re Imagemagick)
[22:11]  * tsimonq2 ducks
[22:11]  * arraybolt3 tosses tsimonq2
[22:11] <arraybolt3> you can't duck when you are the projectile
[22:12]  * kc2bez runs
[22:13] <arraybolt3> Anyway, those are my opinions. Either minimal should be just barely enough to be usable (so add back the text editor and calculator), OR we should take same route that former Xubuntu Core took and strip out *everything* except for the absolute minimum.
[22:13] <arraybolt3> Give the user a DE, a file manager, a terminal, and the desktop settings and call it a day.
[22:15] <arraybolt3> I personally would far prefer to see the latter happen.


[11:08] <Hein_> JOIN
[12:41] <studio-user127> hi, im new to ubuntustudio. I'm using it as my primary OS since a week and I'm happy with it's performace,. The only thing i would like to change is it's desktop from XFCE to GNOME or KDE. I couldn't find any resource about it online. Anyone has any idea?
[12:53] <veremitz> you can't simply apt install kde-meta or gnome ..
[12:54] <veremitz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE
[12:55] <veremitz> 'gnome-desktop' would appear to be the gnome target
[12:56]  * M_aD isn't fond of installing and mixing desktop environments
[12:58] <M_aD> another option is to install Ubuntu or Kubuntu after you made your choice of DE and then install Ubuntu Studio on it with it's installer: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioInstaller
[12:58] <M_aD> it's up to you
[13:00] <veremitz> ^ also a good option :D
[13:01] <M_aD> ;)
[13:06] <studio-user127> thanks so much!!! I'll study the given options!! <3
[19:47] <doublehelix> .
 I've got a problem with Ubuntu Studio, I didn't have this issue before this release. Everytime I plug in my guitar to USB cable I get a beeping sound
 It's there all the time.
 I am running Ubuntu Studio 18.04 with the backports activated. I keep reading about the plugin rack Carla. It is not in my list of installed programs and is not listed either in the available programs in Software Centre, though I saw that it comes pre-installed with 19.04.  … How useful is this program and is it something I should try to in
[23:03] <studiobot> stall? If so how? Or should I just wait until it arrives via the backports updates?  I am aware that accessing via kxstudio is not advisable and so will not do that. Any advice welcomed.  … Question: Is this a program that I should try to install
[23:08] <JeffFromOh> Hi. Just installed Ubuntu Studio (but have used Ubuntu for years). Went to power settings, and Xfce Power Manager says hibernate is not permitted. How can I enable it? I did figure out that the /swapfile file wasn't large enough, so I resized it to match my system RAM, and then used mkswap to reformat it at the new size.
[23:08] <JeffFromOh> Then did swapon /swapfile
[23:09] <JeffFromOh> after that, free -m showed 16G of swap
[23:09] <OvenWerks> Chris have you updated ubuntustudio-installer from backports? Carla should show up or at least if you have the ubuntustudio backports PPA you can apt install carla.
[23:09] <JeffFromOh> So, that part is fixed.
[23:11] <OvenWerks> JeffFromOh: I am not sure, I look at the PM and it shows suspend, is that the same as hibernate? as in what xfce calls it?
[23:12] <JeffFromOh> Suspend shows up - as far as I can tell suspend and hibernate are different - suspend puts the system in a low power state, but it still uses a trickle of power, and so will kill the battery after a few hours.
[23:12] <OvenWerks> Also have you asked in #xubuntu? They may know better and Studio is built on top of xubuntu.
[23:12] <JeffFromOh> Hibernate is basically a shutdown with resume from swapfile
[23:13] <JeffFromOh> Ok, thanks. Will try asking there
[23:13] <OvenWerks> Right, that makes sense.
[23:13] <OvenWerks> I don't know because I never suspend or hibernate
 @OvenWerks [<OvenWerks> Chris have you updated ubuntustudio-installer from backports? Carla …], Thanks for the reply.   … How do I update ubuntu-installer from backports?  … Or what is the exact command to install Carla?
 Apologies for my ignorance. Windows refugee here.
[23:35] <OvenWerks> I am actually not sure if the latest installer has made it to backports yet, now that I think about it.
[23:36] <OvenWerks> I am not at my normal compter just now. but adding the studio back ports should make sudo apt install carla work.
[23:36] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yes, the latest installer is in backports.
[23:36] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-backports
[23:36]  * OvenWerks is sitting outside after BBQ steaks and not tracking too well :)
[23:37]  * Eickmeyer 's sister and bro-in-law just showed up, going bye-bye for now
 Thanks people. … sudo apt install carla … did the trick.


[05:51] <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: where/when is the muzak going down?
[05:54] <nUboon2Age> aaditya: any chance i could catch a ride w/ you to Jono's?
[06:09] <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=158257237548249
[06:09] <MarkDude> Is that viewable?
[06:55] <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: i was able to bring up that web page if that's what you mean, thanks!
[06:56] <MarkDude> Yes nUboon2Age
[14:24] <seidos> anybody interested in sponsoring a wannabe monk with a peaceful place to stay and 1 meal a day?  or have an idea where I might find gainful employment?
[21:33] <iheartubuntu> Hello all! Having some probs with my sisters computer. About a month ago, I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 10.10 on her system. It previously had half XP, half 10.04 on it. After installing 10.10, she noticed all sorts of problems.
[21:33] <iheartubuntu> program crashes, updates not working, etc
[21:33] <iheartubuntu> it got to the point where firefox and ubuntu software center would no longer load up
[21:33] <iheartubuntu> then her computer would not shut down or turn on, without repeated attempts.
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> Ive tried most everything I can think of.
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> Ive written the hard drive to zeros
[21:34] <jtatum> if it happens with a livecd, it's probably not a software problem
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> installed 10.10, 10.04, 9.10 etc with errors each time on install (with livecd)
[21:35] <iheartubuntu> both burned discs and official ubuntu discs
[21:35] <iheartubuntu> today i decided to try some alt discs, the install goes great, no errors, but things crash once in ubuntu
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> there have been errors on livecd installs... something about the dvd drive is screwed up or the hard drive could be a problem
[21:36] <pleia2> any problems in windows?
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> today, after installing with alt disc, i try to install updates and get this error... "Segmentation faulty tree"
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> she hates windows :)
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> i havent yet attempted windows but that was going to be my last resort
[21:37] <pleia2> well it sounds a lot like a hardware problem
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> do you think hardware or hard drive?
[21:37] <pleia2> but if windows was working it would partially rule that out
[21:37] <pleia2> hard to say
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> the dvd drives (two of them) seem fine to me
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> i even changed the motherboard bios battery
[21:37] <pleia2> it's probably not the optical drives
[21:38] <pleia2> most likely harddrive or ram, possibly motherboard
[21:38] <jtatum> psu, ram, cpu, motherboard...
[21:38] <pleia2> try doing some ram tests?
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> theres 3gb memory on it... two 1gb and two 512
[21:38] <pleia2> there are also harddrive tests you can do, there are a few diagnostic livecds out there
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> yes, ive done some hard drives tests and they all check out OK
[21:39] <pleia2> and memory tests?
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> i left my 10# sledge hammer at home too, so thats not an option
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> i have not tried mem tests yet
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> should i use the one from the livecd?
[21:39] <pleia2> yeah, that's fine
[21:40] <iheartubuntu> there was no problems when this was a dual boot setup. both sides worked fine.
[21:41] <iheartubuntu> i wonder if something became dislodged with her transporting the box. its a heavy beast
[21:41] <pleia2> well, reinstalling an OS is a major burden on the hardware
[21:41] <pleia2> or that
[21:41] <pleia2> if there was memory or harddrive corruption, it's not unusual that it would surface during a reinstall we're you're writing to the disk a lot and using the memory heavily
[21:42] <iheartubuntu> would hard drive problems appear on a hard drive test?
[21:43] <pleia2> probably
[21:43] <iheartubuntu> maybe i should do more than the 2 min and 10 minute tests
[21:43] <iheartubuntu> on the hard drive
[21:43] <akk> Have you checked things like dmesg for error messages, maybe run memtest before booting?
[21:44] <iheartubuntu> no i havent
[21:44] <iheartubuntu> i do notice the system is extremely fast after writing the drive to zeros.
[21:44] <akk> You mean you run some program (off a live cd or something?) that zeroes the drive, then reinstall?
[21:45] <iheartubuntu> yes, with parted magicisc
[21:45] <iheartubuntu> from the ultimate rescue disc
[21:45] <iheartubuntu> ultimate boot disc?
[21:45] <iheartubuntu> anyways it was parted magic.
[21:45] <iheartubuntu> took about an hour
[21:46] <iheartubuntu> then reinstalled ubuntu
[21:46] <iheartubuntu> still same problems. so i tried the alt disc and had no errors. the install on the live disc seems to get hung up on particular files to install
[21:47] <iheartubuntu> and retrying those files does not do anything.
[21:47] <iheartubuntu> gonna try the mem tests next :) thanks!
[21:47] <akk> I think your goal at this point should be to identify the error (e.g. run hardware testing apps), rather than re-re-installing.
[21:48] <akk> So dmesg, errors in other /var/log files, a good long memtest run, maybe smart tools on the disk.
[21:48] <iheartubuntu> OK thanks akk. i will also check to reseat mem and drive connections
[21:50] <iheartubuntu> is there a particulr dmesg option that would give me some useful info in my case?
[21:50] <akk> no, dmesg just dumps a big log of what's been going on
[21:51] <akk> kinda like /var/log/messages but slightly different
[21:51] <akk> and you want to look for anything that looks like an error message.
[21:51] <iheartubuntu> ok will do thank you
[21:51] <akk> You can start by looking at only the last few lines, e.g. dmesg | tail -50 for the last 50 lines
[21:52] <akk> and you can also try tail -f /var/log/messages, then keep that going in a terminal while you do other stuff you think will fail
[21:52] <akk> and see if any messages show up when the failures happen
[21:52] <iheartubuntu> should i reboot and then do this? or i can do it now with that system on for a while
[21:54] <akk> you can do it any time, no need to reboot
[21:54] <akk> The key is that you want to see errors after one of these problems has occurred.
[21:54] <akk> So on a fresh boot where nothing has gone wrong, there's likely nothing to see.
[22:06] <iheartubuntu> so i started the mem test
[22:06] <iheartubuntu> i did do dmesg first.
[22:06] <iheartubuntu> and i saw something that said "cant allocate mem resource"
[22:06] <iheartubuntu> another line said "cannot allocate resource for eisa slot 1"
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> so now i am trying the memtest
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> and immediately a ton of errors.
[22:07] <akk> memtest is always good to run
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> in fact everything is an error
[22:07] <akk> ooh! any error at all from memtest is really bad
[22:07] <akk> normally it runs for hours with zero errors
[22:07] <akk> so it sounds like you've found the problem
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> i talked to my sis just now. so did the computer fall in any way while transporting it?
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> "yes. when i had to hit the brakes. the computer flipped forward"
[22:08] <iheartubuntu> this sucker must weigh 35 pounds.
[22:08] <iheartubuntu> if it flipped, something is going to go wrong
[22:08] <iheartubuntu> so could this be a mem error or more?
[22:09] <iheartubuntu> potentially, could i take out one mem stick and see if i get the errors? and continue with this idea until we get no mem errors?
[22:13] <akk> Yes.
[22:14] <akk> Remember RAM is very sensitive to static
[22:14] <akk> so it's a good idea to ground yourself to the case or power supply before fiddling with the RAM
[22:19] <aaditya> nUboon2Age: yes, I'll confirm my attendance by friday afternoon.
[22:20] <aaditya> nUboon2Age: the only catch might be that I end up staying in SF till really late. Last time I got back at 5am.
[22:29] <iheartubuntu> ok, so went through all the mem chips and slots and found one chip to have the errors.
[22:30] <akk> If you haven't already tried, it might be worth plugging it back in to see if the errors go away, in case it just got knocked a little loose.
[22:30] <iheartubuntu> obviously i didnt run the new setup for very long but after 5 min no errors, which was good to see. i'll try installing ubuntu from a livecd now and see what happens
[22:46] <trippedoutfish> Hey guys I need some help grub got me stuck at the grub rescue command and i cant boot
[22:47] <dragon> trippedoutfish: did you make a change to your system recently?
[22:48] <trippedoutfish> I just installed ubuntu 10.04 and then it updated itself with what i think is something called grub 2.0
[22:50] <trippedoutfish> I had windows 7 on it and just added the ubuntu for dual boot
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> install of 10.04.1 was quick and zero errors this time.
[22:51] <dragon> trippedoutfish: 10.04? The latest is 10.10 though.
[22:51] <dragon> trippedoutfish: you were using wubi?
[22:51] <trippedoutfish> Yeah i used wubi
[22:52] <dragon> iheartubuntu: did you use wubi as well?
[22:56] <dragon> trippedoutfish: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=622828
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> no wubi
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> for me
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> 10.04 installed great. all updates are installing without error as well.
[23:29] <dragon> yes, they've been working fine for me normally, but now I'd be cautious against using wubi.
[23:29] <dragon> It must not hurt the systems.
[23:29] <dragon> trippedoutfish: did you try following that forum post?
[23:31] <trippedoutfish> yeah im still downloading it to make a cd
[23:31] <dragon> trippedoutfish: don't you already have a LiveCD?
[23:31] <dragon> Eureka: help
[23:31] <Eureka> dragon: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[23:31] <Eureka> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[23:31] <dragon> Two replies?
[23:32] <trippedoutfish> no when you install with wubi it just downlaods and installs straight on the computer
[23:32] <jtatum> dragon: one reply is supybot builtin help, one comes from encyclopedia
[23:33] <jtatum> !help
[23:33] <Eureka> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[23:33] <dragon> makes sense. So supybot's builtin doesn't get triggered by ! alone.
[23:36] <jtatum> dragon: that's right. most ubuntu supybots are configured to respond to nick and @, and the encyclopedia plugin is usually configured to respond to nick and !.