[12:00] <ateves> bddebian: yes, but it crashes with no other partition mounted
[12:00] <bddebian> ateves: Are they fat partitions or ntfs?
[12:00] <ateves> ntfs
[12:00] <dszabo_> sudo doesn't work
[12:00] <hyapadi> hellow, I follow the nvidia driver installation in http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver but i can't see the logo during the login. why?
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> dszabo_: yes it does, you must be using it wrong =P
[12:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> when i try to delete my storage folder it gives me this error
[12:01] <bddebian> ateves: Eeks.  I dunno on that one. :-(
[12:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shane@FoamY:/storage/shane$ sudo rm -r STORAGE
[12:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> rm: cannot remove `STORAGE': Read-only file system
[12:01] <ateves> bddebian: well, you cannot have everything ;)
[12:01] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: your computer seems pretty adamant in saying that partition is read only
[12:01] <dszabo_> how do I use it? i'm kinda new at this whole thing
[12:01] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[12:01] <ubotu> methinks sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:01] <rasputnik> ChurcH_of_FoamY: does 'mount' show it as readonly?
[12:01] <dszabo_> ok
[12:01] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: mount it writeable
[12:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea how to smak it around till it says otherwize
[12:01] <nalioth> chrissturm: if you feel like mucking about, you can start changing permissions on binaries
[12:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to mount it wrightable?
[12:01] <SysFail> tiglionabbit, just change it from firefox to 1.0.4 ?
[12:01] <ernstp> Seveas, ah, more people anyway.
[12:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> /dev/hdb1 on /storage type ext3 (rw)
[12:02] <Bellatorix> hey does any one know any thing about pdas?
[12:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is what mount says
[12:02] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: use the -w flag
[12:02] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: That looks read-write to me
[12:02] <cmatheson> Bellatorix: well ya gotcher palm, yer ipaq, and ...
[12:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[12:02] <pyro_chaos> does synaptic do all linux programs like gentoo's portage tree or just what programs it chooses
[12:02] <SysFail> i love how detailed these instructions are on the webpage
[12:02] <bddebian> Bellatorix: Enough to know that they stink :-)
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> SysFail: just change it from 1.0.2 to 1.0.4
[12:02] <shadeofgrey> has anybody ever installed ubuntu on an alienware l;aptop before?
[12:02] <seth_k> pyro_chaos: it's limited to what's in the repositories
[12:03] <nalioth> pyro_chaos: apt-get by default installs binarys
[12:03] <bddebian> pyro_chaos: I dunno about portage but synaptic will install any packages in the repositories you have defined
[12:03] <freddy_> "Amd sues Intel for monopoly"
[12:03] <Seveas> pyro_chaos, apt-get has a gazillion of packages
[12:03] <nalioth> pyro_chaos: apt-get CAN install from source (like portage)
[12:03] <Seveas> pyro_chaos, if you miss something in apt, request it :)
[12:03] <pyro_chaos> will synaptic install apt-get?
[12:04] <Discipulus> pyro_chaos, synaptic is a front end to apt-get
[12:04] <goldfish> lol
[12:04] <rasputnik> ChurcH_of_FoamY: something is hosed there...
[12:04] <pyro_chaos> or is it prebuilt into it
[12:04] <pyro_chaos> o lol
[12:04] <acid2> hello
[12:04] <freddy_> isnt synaptic apt-get?
[12:04] <pyro_chaos> why dont i see allota program in snaptic
[12:04] <freddy_> oh..a bit slow
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: yes, a frontend for it
[12:04] <freddy_> hehe
[12:04] <acid2> Is there any type of services manager like in Fedora/...Windows ?
[12:04] <Seveas> pyro_chaos, synaptic and apt-get are both frontends to apt and dpkg
[12:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea big time
[12:04] <freddy_> tiglionabbit heya!
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> hihi freddy_
[12:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but if i lose this data i lose my life
[12:04] <nalioths_dog> pyro_chaos: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:04] <Seveas> acid2, there is BUM, look at the ubuntuforums
[12:04] <pyro_chaos> im trying to install kismet and i dont see it in  synaptic
[12:04] <freddy_> tiglionabbit what shakes?
[12:04] <nalioths_dog> pyro_chaos: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:04] <rasputnik> ChurcH_of_FoamY: is it out of space?
[12:04] <Seveas> pyro_chaos, loook at what the dog said :)
[12:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> all my family pics memors and games are in that file
[12:04] <pyro_chaos> alright thnx
[12:05] <Seveas> you need to enable universe
[12:05] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: nalioth's dog's tail?
[12:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no all the information was on that drive originally
[12:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just changed the partition
[12:05] <acid2> Seveas, looks good
[12:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so everything should fit again
[12:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> afaik
[12:05] <rasputnik> ChurcH_of_FoamY: check with 'df -k'
[12:06] <freddy_> tiglionabbit lol
[12:06] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: did i tell you about that neat little program 'discus'?
[12:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no
[12:06] <delire> perhaps time to use dd
[12:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what the hell how can the drive be 40% full?
[12:06] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: its 'du' for lazy humans, ya ought to check it out (its a terminal proggy)
[12:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> are you implying that i'm lazy?
[12:07] <ompaul> when is the next colony out? I ask as I have aquired a machine that needs an operating system and well you can see where this is going :)
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: just been hanging around here constantly, and looking around the forums and wiki
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: I did figure out how to get several media players playing sound at the same time
[12:07] <dszabo_> ok, i have a .deb package on my desktop and when I do sudo -i, the directory is the root folder, and I don't have write access to the root folder, so how do I install the package with dpkg --install?
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> dszabo_: uh...   you'll want to go to /home/$user/Desktop
[12:08] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no i'm not, but everyone can use a time-saver
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> dszabo_: where $user is your username
[12:08] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: du -csxh will give you the amount, in human readable output, of the space a directory (and subdirs) occupies.
[12:08] <freddy_> tiglionabbit damn shouldnt that be like default?
[12:08] <dszabo_> ok
[12:08] <nalioth> dszabo_: preface the command with "sudo"
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: nope, hoary has sound issues.  I followed this thing on the forums though and it worked out okay
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> !sound
[12:09] <ubotu> well, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[12:09] <mg> hi. dumb question ... host do i make entries in /etc/hosts get noticed? i want to override DNS for a while to test a site
[12:09] <Discipulus> dszabo_, or you could do 'sudo -s' in your home directory and type 'cd Desktop/' followed by 'dpkg --install <package>.deb'
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: I think it messed up the sound for xmame though, a little
[12:09] <rasputnik> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I think the disk space is unlikely to be an issue to be honest. I'd be inclined to unmount and remount it, see if that makes any difference
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> /dev/hdb1             38464340  14322096  22188340  40% /storage
[12:09] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: its not this? >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[12:09] <rasputnik> mg: they should be noticed anyway
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i just formated it >.<
[12:09] <vladuz976> can anyone help me with my xorg.conf file? my screen resolution is finally as desired but when i launch applications from the terminal as this one now (xchat) they are huge almost fill the entire screen. anyone know what might be wrong?
[12:09] <nalioth> mg: put then in the hosts file and save it
[12:09] <dszabo_> root@DSZABO:~ # /home/dszabo/Desktop/ dpkg --install 865patch_0.2-3_i386.deb
[12:09] <dszabo_> -bash: /home/dszabo/Desktop/: is a directory
[12:09] <dszabo_> root@DSZABO:~ #
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: that one didn't seem to apply to me at all
[12:10] <albacker> guys, how do you tar.gz a folder ??  tgz folder/ somename.tar.gz  ??
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: and that's just to get sound working period, not have multiple players play at the same time
[12:10] <nalioth> vladuz976: sounds like your resolution is NOT as desired
[12:10] <vladuz976> nalioth, lol yeah maybe not
[12:10] <rasputnik> albacker: tar zcvf foo.tgz /path/to/folder/
[12:10] <Discipulus> dszabo_, type 'cd /home/dszabo/Desktop'
[12:10] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: ah, you sent the fancy stuff into play.. ..
[12:10] <dszabo_> ok i'll try that now...
[12:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i unmounted it and remounted it a hundred times are so
[12:10] <vladuz976> nalioth, the desktop itself looks good but the applications don't
[12:10] <Discipulus> dszabo_, FOLLOWED by 'dpkg --install 865patch_0.2-3_i386.deb'
[12:11] <nalioth> vladuz976: methinks you need to hit ctrl-alt-+ and see what you get
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it still insists on screwing with me
[12:11] <vladuz976> nalioth, i'll try
[12:11] <dszabo_> ahhhhhh it works, thatnk!
[12:11] <rasputnik> ChurcH_of_FoamY: in that case, get the files off it and reformat
[12:11] <freddy_> nalioth heya!
[12:11] <dszabo_> thanks*
[12:11] <ubuntu__> hey
[12:11] <nalioth> howdy, freddy
[12:11] <ubuntu__> could i get some help on something
[12:11] <freddy_> nalioth how are ya?
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: unfortunately, that method on the forums requires you to switch every player to use alsa, and I can't figure out how to get some of them to do it right
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm trying to put the files on it! >.<
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just formated it
[12:11] <Discipulus> dszabo_, np
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> like 2 days ago
[12:12] <balistic22> yo
[12:12] <nalioth> freddy_: ok, and you?
[12:12] <balistic22> CAn i get some help on something
[12:12] <Seveas> balistic22, read the topic
[12:12] <sve> i koi ima ubuntu? :)
[12:12] <Seveas> just ask
[12:12] <vladuz976> nalioth, when i change it to a bigger one so that i can read the applications like this one xchat. blow up the rest behaves normally
[12:12] <nalioth> balistic22: you have to ask us the question
[12:12] <balistic22> Does anyone know how to watch wmv's on Firefox let alone Linux?
[12:13] <nalioth> vladuz976: HUH?
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: yes
[12:13] <delire> balistic22: you need the w32codecs
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> !w32codecs
[12:13] <Seveas> balistic22, install mplayer-plugin and w32codecs
[12:13] <ubotu> hmm... w32codecs is codecs needed to play some proprietary formats.  Add a backports mirror to download them http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[12:13] <nalioth> balistic22: wmv3 is out of our range in linux, i believe
[12:13] <sve> does anyone knows how to get a TV tuner working on Ubuntu box?
[12:13] <delire> balistic22: they are not shipped with ubuntu as they are proprietary and non-free
[12:13] <balistic22> wait so all i need to do is download the plugin and codecs
[12:13] <Seveas> balistic22, indeed
[12:13] <delire> s/and/and thus/
[12:13] <balistic22> what if i was runnin red hat
[12:13] <freddy_> i wonder if i can buy cedega from my country
[12:13] <nalioths_dog> balistic22: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: steps: add a backports mirror.  Install mplayer-586 or whatever build you need, and then mozilla-mplayer
[12:13] <Seveas> balistic22, then you would have a MUCh bigger problem :)
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> and w32codecs
[12:14] <freddy_> nalioth really cool, working on some stuff
[12:14] <vladuz976> nalioth, yeah i don't know what's wrong reka fixed up my xorg.conf for me yesterday, so icould finally get a higher resolution but now i have this problem
[12:14] <freddy_> but i really would like to try cedega first before buying it....isnt there like a trial?
[12:14] <nalioth> vladuz976: did you ctrl-alt-+ and get it to change?
[12:14] <balistic22> ok so if im running red hat all i need to do is download the mplayer and then the w32 codecs is this correct?
[12:14] <Seveas> freddy_, there is cvscedega
[12:14] <Seveas> it's free
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: it's subscription.  So if by trial you mean try it for 5 bucks, go ahead
[12:14] <vladuz976> nalioth, yeah it changes but only to worse
[12:14] <nalioth> balistic22: if you are running redhat, you need more help then we can provide .. .. ..
[12:15] <SysFail> heh
[12:15] <Seveas> balistic22, this isn't #redhat, we can't help you with red hat
[12:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok is there a howto on putting in and setting up a hard drive on your system
[12:15] <nalioth> vladuz976: so hit it again, (increase the resolution)
[12:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cause i must have messed up when i did it
[12:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it's really pissing me off
[12:15] <vladuz976> nalioth, i did but then i can't read the irc anymore coz it fills the screen
[12:15] <balistic22> do you know where i can find a redhat chat?
[12:15] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what i normally do is attach the drive, run 'fdisk -l
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I'm really sorry we can't help you with this.   Is anyone having problems installing nvidia-glx-dev? It gives me an MD5 checksum error...
[12:16] <Seveas> #redhat
[12:16] <cmatheson> ChurcH_of_FoamY: man fdisk ; man mke2fs ?
[12:16] <balistic22> i just have a problem because i dont know which distro is better
[12:16] <Seveas> pdg, try apt-get clean and retry
[12:16] <nalioth> vladuz976: i'm puzzled, it seems you are making the resolution smaller if the xchat screen keeps enlarging
[12:16] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: then format it with cfdisk, whack on a filesystem, edit /etc/fstab and then mount it.
[12:16] <Seveas> balistic22, Ubuntu is :)
[12:16] <nalioth> balistic22: have you ever heard the term "red hat hell"?
[12:16] <Seveas> rpm hell
[12:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i did it the first time with qtparted
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> pdg: make sure your rpositories are correct, and refresh synaptic
[12:17] <Seveas> plus red hat likes being incompatible with all others
[12:17] <vladuz976> nalioth, yes, my desktop itself looks fine, like the panel and the terminal is ok all the gnome stuff looks ok, the only thing is other applications get messed up they are still low resolution
[12:17] <JoeyrS> hi
[12:17] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i don't know sorry. is it a separate drive or just a partition on an existing drive?
[12:17] <balistic22> one more question
[12:17] <ompaul> Seveas, it even challanges itself at times :)
[12:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> seperate drive
[12:17] <balistic22> can ubuntu run kde?
[12:18] <balistic22> instead of gnome
[12:18] <Seveas> balistic22, of course :)
[12:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes it's called kubuntu
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: yes.  get kubuntu, or install ubuntu and get kubuntu-desktop package
[12:18] <dszabo_> ok, my resolution is 640X480, I can't get it to go higher, and the resolution wiki page didn't help, my graphics card is the Intel 845G
[12:18] <pdg> Seveas, tiglionabbit: I've refreshed and cleaned it several times... but what's the correct repository for nvidia-glx-dev anyway?
[12:18] <splinta> breezy live i386 colony-2 cannot start x
[12:18] <Seveas> if you install Kubuntu (Ubuntu with a different set of defaults) you will eveb get KDE by default
[12:18] <ompaul> balistic22, you can do that, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:18] <seth_k> dszabo_: there is a fix for this
[12:18] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: did you buy a hard disk and attempt to format this, or did you create a partition on an existing drive
[12:18] <dszabo_> where?
[12:18] <rasputnik> how do I get the zlib fix ?
[12:18] <balistic22> oh ok
[12:18] <seth_k> dszabo_: what monitor do you have? You will need to edit xorg.conf
[12:18] <nalioth> balistic22: ubuntu is linux, you can run what you like
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> pdg: restricted
[12:19] <dszabo_> MAG Innovision
[12:19] <balistic22> but the thing is i dont like repositories
[12:19] <JoeyrS> someone can help me? i cannot install gstreamer plugins: http://phpfi.com/68647
[12:19] <balistic22> they work differentlyu then rpms
[12:19] <seth_k> dszabo_: know a model number?
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: they make things much much easier
[12:19] <ompaul> balistic22, they work better than :)
[12:19] <dszabo_> its 771 FS
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: you can always use dpkg instead though
[12:19] <balistic22> whats that?
[12:19] <nalioth> dszabo_: if seth_k dosnt help you, ask me
[12:19] <dszabo_> ok
[12:19] <nameless1> can someone tell me if there is a programer similar to netlimiter for linux that will show me what programs are using bandwidth and how much, and also let me limit how much bandwidth programs can use?
[12:19] <vladuz976> does anyone else in here know much about the resolution problem with ubuntu?
[12:19] <splinta> breezy live i386 colony-2 cannot start x tried nv and vesa driver options...any ideas ?
[12:20] <seth_k> splinta: nobody can get it to start, probably out of luck for now
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: dpkg is like rpm for debian.  But once you start using apt with synaptic, you'll love it, I promise
[12:20] <delire> splinta: don't use breezy until it's released ;)?
[12:20] <nalioth> vladuz976: yes i do
[12:20] <balistic22> ohh sounds great =)
[12:20] <nalioth> vladuz976: we have not reached the end of my knowledge
[12:20] <rasputnik>  anyone else got the latest security fix for zlib? apt-get update/upgrade isn't showing it
[12:20] <vladuz976> nalioth, you think you can look at my file?
[12:20] <seth_k> dszabo_: do you know the model number of your monitor?
[12:20] <balistic22> does the kde for unbuntu work better?
[12:20] <dszabo_> 771FS
[12:20] <vladuz976> nalioth, i am glad
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: work better than what/
[12:20] <nalioth> vladuz976: paste your xorg.conf to a pastebin
[12:21] <bojangles> delire, well there is not a lot that works on breezy right now...because of so many fundamental changes.
[12:21] <balistic22> then red hats kde
[12:21] <cmatheson> balistic22: it's all the same stinkin' crap
[12:21] <pdg> tiglionabbit: I have the hoary, hoary-updates and hoary-security branches of restricted. Should that be enough?
[12:21] <balistic22> oh ok
[12:21] <virgule> balistic22: I do think so..
[12:21] <vladuz976> nalioth, ok wait
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[12:21] <ubotu> sources is, like, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[12:21] <ubotu> methinks repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:21] <ompaul> balistic22, depends on your hardware and your values of $work_better
[12:21] <nalioth> balistic22: it is linux, kde, gnome, blackbox, fluxbox, whatever
[12:21] <bojangles> delire, even X does not work right...but the basics are being better thought out
[12:21] <delire> bojangles: it will be like that until October i'd imagine
[12:21] <vladuz976> nalioth, kinda hard with this messed up resolution to see things
[12:21] <splinta> seth_k: thats alright then...thought it was just me...someone said the nvidia dric=vers were porked but that vesa would work...no joy
[12:21] <balistic22> whats blackbox fluxbox
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> porked?
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> !nvidia
[12:22] <ubotu> well, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:22] <nalioth> balistic22: they are desktop managers
[12:22] <delire> anyone know if breezy will use ifplugd? (great for laptop users)
[12:22] <cmatheson> balistic22: don't forget openbox, they're more lightweight window managers
[12:22] <delire> cmatheson: a great wm..
[12:22] <cmatheson> delire: :)
[12:22] <delire> cmatheson: though my favourite of the last year is http://wmi.modprobe.de
[12:22] <LokeDK> If I install kde, will it touch gnome somehow?
[12:23] <cmatheson> delire: i'll have to check that out~one of my friends was talking about it, but i havent' taken it for a spin yet
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> LokeDK: no.  It may add some programs to your menus though
[12:23] <delire> cmatheson: but for most purposes, there is little that beats openbox. it served me well for two years and i still use it.
[12:23] <nalioth> LokeDK: only if you call it
[12:23] <LokeDK> oh okay.. how large is kde?   I think I'll install it
[12:26] <fortysixand2> I have a question regarding the linux-wlan-ng drivers
[12:26] <rasputnik> if you ever used screen on a terminal, it's like that, but for x
[12:26] <tiglionabbit> rasputnik: plays nice with xnest?
[12:26] <fortysixand2> I tried to install them, and now I want to go back to the orinoco, but it keeps trying to load prism2_cs when I insert the card
[12:26] <delire> cmatheson: i'm loving wmii (version 2). too much to talk about really, but things like creating saving whole window configuration states and being able to dynamically roll them out when required. 'bare_mode' for locking you into the keybinds/macro's for the given application/client and ignoring the wm. 'tiled_mode' for maximum use of desktop real estate. lovely.
[12:26] <bionic> when making the kernel with make kpkg, where does the .deb file store? I cant find it in the current dir, and not in /usr/src/ .. anyone please?
[12:27] <fortysixand2> how can I tell it to load the old ones instead?
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> aw man, it doesn't add its entry to sessions.  *tweaks*
[12:27] <ilpum> Is there a command to list all programs available? I just can't find out the command to start CMU Sphinx
[12:27] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit: yeah, you need that for things like gimp really. give gimp its own server.
[12:27] <vladuz976> nalioth, i'll reconnect from the laptop
[12:27] <delire> cmatheson: http://selectparks.net/julian/wmi for a few screenies.
[12:27] <delire> anyway, it's late.
[12:27] <delire> bye all
[12:28] <acid2> hey - im about to go to bed and live my ubuntu on
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> ilpum: use apropos to search through programs.  All your programs should be in directories listed in the $PATH variable
[12:28] <cmatheson> dell500: thanks
[12:28] <acid2> is there anyway to 'lock' the system?
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> acid2: yes
[12:28] <acid2> or something I should do before i go sleepy?
[12:28] <rasputnik> acid2: mount two ntfs systems ? hahaha
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> acid2: system -> lock screen
[12:28] <acid2> thats all?
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> acid2: yeah, that'll make people have to type in your password to use it again.  Wont lock up net connections though..
[12:29] <acid2> i dont have ssh or vnc.. so i should be ok?
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> yeah
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> dude just use it and see what it does
[12:29] <acid2> coo
[12:29] <acid2> hehe
[12:29] <rasputnik> acid2: if someone breaks into your room they'll steal the pc, not sit there surfing
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> rofl
[12:29] <acid2> xD
[12:29] <acid2> I was meaning more remote protection
[12:30] <nalioth> vladuz976: do you HAVE to have nvidia drivers (for acceleration or whatever)?
[12:30] <vladuz976> nalioth, no not really
[12:30] <fortysixand2> I uninstalled the ubuntu package, but it still tries to load prism2_cs
[12:30] <kbrooks> just a problem.
[12:30] <rasputnik> acid2: don't worry about that, remote access is a good thing. just have passwords that aren't stupid.
[12:30] <acid2> well, gnite then!
[12:30] <kbrooks> i tried to ......
[12:30] <acid2> hehe
[12:30] <kbrooks> um
[12:31] <kbrooks> i tried to en`able nvidia and restart X
[12:31] <nalioth> vladuz976: then i'd suggest you back up the xorg.conf you have now, and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose the VESA driver and the resolutions you want to run
[12:31] <kbrooks> but it says
[12:31] <ilpum> tiglionabbit: I doesn't find anything under "sphinx"
[12:31] <ChurcH> i'm trying to copy infor the the hard drive one last time
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> sphinx?  what?
[12:31] <kbrooks> but X says that no screens were found
[12:32] <kbrooks> nalioth, ping
[12:32] <ChurcH> and if it doesent work can someone please walk me through the proccess of seting up a new hard drive?
[12:32] <kbrooks> i tried to en`able nvidia and restart X
[12:32] <kbrooks> but X says that no screens were found
[12:32] <nalioth> kbrooks: WTF is "ping"?
[12:32] <kbrooks> and nvidia reports an API error
[12:32] <kbrooks> nalioth, it means I want your attention
[12:32] <rasputnik> ChurcH: parted is good.
[12:32] <vladuz976> nalioth, for when it asks select desired x servere driver i pic nv?
[12:32] <nalioth> kbrooks: see what i just told vladuz976 above
[12:32] <Albaraha> Small fonts aren't displayed in firefox till I increase the fonts size. Any hint?
[12:33] <virgule> tesdt
[12:33] <vladuz976> nalioth, oh vesa
[12:33] <nalioth> vladuz976: no, choose VESA for the driver
[12:33] <rasputnik> nalioth: he's checking you haven't fallen asleep at the keyboard
[12:33] <ChurcH> i know it is but i want to do this wright the data is to important to lose
[12:33] <nalioth> rasputnik: <snooooorrrr>
[12:33] <rasputnik> nalioth: you're supposed to go 'pong', or 'get bent' or something
[12:33] <kbrooks> nalioth, i did the configuration and chose nvidia
[12:33] <vladuz976> nalioth, can i quit the configureation after that i don't really know about the rest it asks
[12:33] <kbrooks> nalioth, before restarting
[12:34] <virgule> huh.. call me newbie but how do I put a line with my name at first.. like I an action-descriptive thing... hmm?
[12:34] <rasputnik> ChurcH: in that case take a break. nothing kills a pc faster than impatience.
[12:34] <virgule> virgule wonders..
[12:34] <kbrooks> virgule, use /me
[12:34] <fortysixand2> anyone here familiar with the linux-wlan-ng drivers?
[12:34] <nalioth> vladuz976: choose the default answers, paying attention when it gets to the resolutions you want
[12:34] <ChurcH> i'm only impatant cause i'm getting point2play tonught and have no room for it >.<
[12:35] <nalioth> kbrooks: if you're having video trouble and want productivity over acceleration, read what i've been discussing with vladuz976 and choose VESA also
[12:35] <vladuz976> nalioth, for the amount of memory for my video card the line is blank i don't know if i can just pass by
[12:35] <nalioth> vladuz976: how much mem do you have in it?
[12:35] <vladuz976> 64MB
[12:35] <vladuz976> but in kb?
[12:35] <kbrooks> nalioth, um, no. why should i choose vesa?
[12:35] <ChurcH> how much memory do you have in that card?
[12:36] <jseattle> nalioth, do you still need me to run you around Houston tomorrow?
[12:36] <nalioth> vladuz976: 64 x 1024
[12:36] <rasputnik> how do I add a repo as 'trusted'? apt whinges at me everytime I get something from universe
[12:36] <kbrooks> nalioth, i dont understand
[12:36] <ChurcH> and i'll tell you waht to put as the value in that line
[12:36] <nalioth> jseattle: i no, but you can accompany me if i do go
[12:36] <rasputnik> !repo
[12:36] <ubotu> I don't know, rasputnik
[12:36] <kbrooks> rasputnik, uh
[12:36] <nalioth> kbrooks: is your nvidia driver working?
[12:36] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[12:36] <ubotu> repositories is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:36] <jseattle> ok, i just woke up and went to KFC on Southmore and was wondering
[12:37] <vladuz976> nalioth, kernel framebuffer device interface. what's that?
[12:37] <kbrooks> nalioth, no. no screens found and nvidia api error
[12:37] <jseattle> am having a problem with 77502 post office
[12:37] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit: cheers
[12:37] <wildtangent> another n00b question, i just dist-upgraded to breezy on my test box...but it looks the same, how do i tell if it actually worked?
[12:37] <nalioth> jseattle: hopefully, i will be going tomorrow on the errands
[12:37] <nalioth> vladuz976: just take the default answers
[12:37] <tiglionabbit> hehe, n00b question about breezy
[12:38] <nalioth> kbrooks: you and vladuz976 are doing the same thing, please read what i've been advising him
[12:38] <jseattle> ok, i will be driving all night until 6:00 AM and will listen, but don't use 832-816 number
[12:38] <kbrooks> wildtangent, dont use breezy
[12:38] <unome> hello fellow ubuntunians!
[12:38] <nalioth> Jeezis: np
[12:38] <tiglionabbit> lol, I knew someone would say that
[12:38] <nalioth> shit
[12:38] <nalioth> jseattle: np
[12:38] <kbrooks> nalioth, im using nv
[12:38] <nalioth> kbrooks: and nv isnt working
[12:38] <lydon> question--I have a wireless card in my laptop (eth1) that comes up as Deactivated everytime I reboot, any ideas how I can have this activated on startup?
[12:38] <nalioth> kbrooks: use VESA
[12:38] <jseattle> you know my thoughts on srr (work 4 free)!
[12:38] <kbrooks> nalioth, no no
[12:38] <kbrooks> not nvidia
[12:38] <wildtangent> i used it a while back, worked fine until xorg broke, tried it again today. i was able to confirm it was actually breezy before, but i cant remember how i did that now
[12:38] <kbrooks> NV
[12:39] <kbrooks> nalioth, cant u fricking understand
[12:39] <mwe> lydon can you bring it up manually?
[12:39] <jseattle> i am fixing to eat and bathe, but will stay online here if you have mssg to type or whatever
[12:39] <wildtangent> im not a linux n00b, ive been using it for months, and im no expert, but im not a n00b either
[12:39] <kbrooks> the X driver!
[12:39] <jseattle> pet the dirty dog for me
[12:39] <kbrooks> wildtangent, /cat /etc/issue
[12:39] <kbrooks> er
[12:39] <jseattle> Callahan is in hospital again
[12:39] <jseattle> surgery
[12:39] <kbrooks> s/\///
[12:40] <vladuz976> nalioth, ok now it asks for the monitor video modes, but the numbers seems kinda unfamiliar, i have ,1920x1440 and 1856x1392 and 1792x1344 and 1680x1050 and 1600x1200 and 1440x900
[12:40] <nalioth> jseattle: i heard
[12:40] <lydon> mwe: yes, if I go into Administration > Networking and activate it from there, it works fine
[12:40] <jseattle> he is a filthy owner
[12:40] <vladuz976> sorry for the lenght
[12:40] <kbrooks> jseattle, why dont you pm?
[12:40] <jseattle> he should be okay by Friday
[12:40] <nalioth> vladuz976: pick 1024x768, 800x600  to be safe
[12:40] <wildtangent> so...how can i tell if i actually have breezy?
[12:40] <jseattle> kbrooks, i dont know how, nalioth is teaching me, we both live and work at same place in Houston
[12:40] <kbrooks> wildtangent, cat /etc/issue
[12:41] <jseattle> am new to this kbrooks
[12:41] <vladuz976> nalioth, if it was offered, only the ones i wrote above are offered
[12:41] <mwe> lydon, is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces? if so make sure the file has auto eth1 in it
[12:41] <kbrooks> jseattle, /query
[12:41] <nalioth> jseattle: its easy   at your prompt, type /msg nalioth <msg blah blah>
[12:41] <wildtangent> well thats wierd...still hoary
[12:41] <kbrooks> nalioth, /query is better
[12:41] <kbrooks> ;)
[12:41] <nalioth> vladuz976: did you scroll down?
[12:41] <jseattle> ok cool
[12:41] <BalisticBiker22> whats the difference between RHEL and RH
[12:41] <jseattle> i am going to eat now, ya'll stand by will be back in 30 mins
[12:42] <nalioth> kbrooks: do you want to see a gui?
[12:42] <vladuz976> nalioth, oh no sorry
[12:42] <kbrooks> nalioth, uh, yes
[12:42] <sobersabre> how can i control which image splashy uses and at which res ?
[12:42] <nalioth> kbrooks: if you are using the "nv" driver NOW, it isnt working too well
[12:42] <kbrooks> nalioth, i want to use "nvidia"
[12:43] <vladuz976> nalioth, now just restart X?
[12:43] <ilpum_> I am still there. XD
[12:43] <nalioth> kbrooks: how many puters do you have in front of you?
[12:43] <kbrooks> 1
[12:43] <nalioth> vladuz976: yes
[12:43] <lydon> mwe: this is what is says (I took out the essid and key)iface eth1 inet dhcp
[12:43] <lydon>         # wireless-* options are implemented by the wireless-tools package
[12:43] <lydon>         wireless-mode managed
[12:43] <lydon>         wireless-essid
[12:43] <lydon>         wireless-key1
[12:43] <lydon> auto eth1
[12:43] <nalioth> kbrooks: would you rather see a gui so you can use firefox/xchat or whatever and attempt to find a solutin of why your NV makes blank screens?
[12:44] <kbrooks> nalioth, i think you are confused
[12:44] <kbrooks> nalioth, wen i say nv, i dont mean nvidia
[12:44] <kbrooks> just nv
[12:44] <hkdev> just wondering if any one use any tools to auto config your network interfaces, i.e. wifi?
[12:44] <sobersabre> hkdev, yes...
[12:44] <sobersabre> brains
[12:45] <nalioth> kbrooks: i don't know the diff tween them, but VESA will get you a gui
[12:45] <rasputnik> lydon: that should be 'wireless-essid YOURNETNAME'
[12:45] <sobersabre> i'm sure you have enough
[12:45] <vladuz976> nalioth, it works fine i can choose different resolution but when i launch let's say xine or mplayer they are huge
[12:45] <kbrooks> nalioth, you sure?
[12:45] <Tsunamii> when you install something, where is the default directly where you can execute it?
[12:45] <LokeDK> I'm trying to use my flashcard for my mp3-player, the filesystem is FAT but it seems that it can't meassure the size .. so every time I transfer something it says not enough disc space.. what can I do?
[12:45] <nalioth> vladuz976: you have probably resized them during the previous adventures, no telling
[12:45] <kbrooks> Tsunamii, in the PATH
[12:45] <lydon> rasputnik: it does, I deleted it
[12:45] <Tsunamii> ?
[12:45] <nalioth> kbrooks: VESA will drive a dead dog
[12:46] <rasputnik> lydon: ah ok
[12:46] <hkdev> i'm manually editing my /etc/network/interfaces file every time i'm switching network. which tool do you use to switch?
[12:46] <mrd`> Anyone else having problems with linux-image-2.6.12-3-k7?  Whenever I boot it, top shows 80+% of my CPU time being used and powernowd steps up my processor to full speed, but no apps actually seem to be using anywhere near that much CPU time.  linux-image-2.6.12-2-k7 works fine, however.
[12:46] <Tsunamii> kbrooks, I installed it via Snaptics
[12:46] <mwe> lydon, doesn't the file contain a line that starts with iface eth1 ?
[12:46] <vladuz976> nalioth, possible can i some how resize them again or reinstall?
[12:46] <kbrooks> nalioth, got ya
[12:46] <nalioth> vladuz976: move your mouse to the top corner (not the arrow) and resize, then drag the window up til you can drag some more
[12:47] <vladuz976> nalioth, that only changes the size of the window
[12:47] <sobersabre> hkdev, i have 1 network. but: you can write a script that does this:
[12:48] <lydon> mwe: yea, it showed up with my first line up there instead of pasting below it -- iface eth1 inet dhcp
[12:48] <eli_Ubuntu> as anyone seen this error when trying to do apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:48] <eli_Ubuntu> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libc/libcairo/libcairo1_0.3.0-1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[12:48] <mwe> lydon, then I dont know why it doesnt come up at boot. I'd check the logs
[12:49] <nalioth> vladuz976: can you ctrl-alt-+ to increase the resolution?
[12:49] <lydon> mwe: dumb question.... where are the logs?
[12:49] <mwe> lydon, /var/log
[12:49] <david> does anyone know of a good taskbar i can use for linux?
[12:49] <vladuz976> nalioth, yes
[12:49] <mwe> lydon, /var/log/messages contains it all
[12:49] <nalioth> vladuz976: or system > prefs > screen resolution
[12:49] <sobersabre> hkdev, tries to setup wlan iface, and scans network befre that.
[12:50] <eli_Ubuntu> david: you mean something like gdesklets?
[12:50] <vladuz976> nalioth, yes that works
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i erased the entire partiton and restarted the computer
[12:50] <sobersabre> you can sort networks by signal strength and speed. and choose whatever you want
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now should i make it an ext3 partition or a fat 32 partition?
[12:50] <david> eli_Ubuntu, i dunno, something that will show my open applications
[12:50] <nalioth> david: gdesklets or superkaramba make nice cpu-hogging dock things
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> with qtparted?
[12:50] <sobersabre> you can also make entries for several netwrks and try each entry until success.
[12:51] <benplaut> hehe.... off to install on someone's laptop :)
[12:51] <eli_Ubuntu> david: then i wouldnt know. i have had no problems with that
[12:52] <zen> hi - quick q - how do i remove all the games installed by ubuntu during installation? is it as simple as using the add/remove programs app?
[12:52] <eli_Ubuntu> is wlan better for wireless use than ath0?
[12:52] <nalioth> zen: use synaptic and sort by section - games
[12:53] <mwe> eli_Ubuntu, the iface name depends on the driver. ipw2200 defaults to wlanX whereas madwifi defaults to athX
[12:53] <lydon> mwe: eth0 is only in there twice... it says eth1: New link status: Connected(0001)
[12:53] <nalioth> vladuz976: so you are sorted now?
[12:53] <nalioth> vladuz976: the pRon now fits the page?
[12:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok now i've made the partition on hdb1 using qtparted now what do i have to do?
[12:53] <flodine> has anyone updated there kernel yet
[12:54] <eli_Ubuntu> there's a new kernel?
[12:54] <nalioth> eli_Ubuntu: you can always compile a new kernel
[12:54] <mwe> lydon, does ifup/ifdown eth1 work? if so /etc/network/interfaces should be ok
[12:54] <eli_Ubuntu> nalioth: oh :)
[12:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know that i have to create a mountpoint so how do i do that?
[12:54] <parkbench> hey all
[12:54] <drew> hey, can anyone help me download the source for GAIM 1.4.1?  The gaim website only has it up to 1.3.1 but Ubuntu says i'm running 1.4.1.  Any ideas?
[12:55] <vladuz976> nalioth, no still doesn't work
[12:55] <lcharly_TheOne> how can i change the name of mi computer??
[12:55] <parkbench> i got a question about transporting a file from this to linux comp
[12:55] <drew> nvm, i'm an idiot
[12:55] <parkbench> i fear my only option is cd, but you tell me if im missing something
[12:55] <vladuz976> nalioth, i wish i could show you a screenshot somehow
[12:55] <parkbench> it has no internet...i tried a floppy but it failed
[12:55] <seth_k> drew, i was gonna say :P
[12:55] <lydon> mwe: if I type those at the console it gives me a usage screen
[12:55] <nalioth> vladuz976: did you choose your monitor settings during the dpkg process?
[12:55] <parkbench> i tried my external hard drive but whenerver i connect it to the linux box the file disappears
[12:55] <parkbench> for some odd reason
[12:55] <parkbench> i think the only portable way to move it now would be a cd...i dont want to awaste any, but if i ahve to :/
[12:55] <vladuz976> nalioth, yes
[12:55] <zen> nalioth - thanks will try that tonight
[12:55] <benplaut> parkbench: your wifi working?
[12:56] <mwe> lydon, sudo ifdown eth1 doesnt work?
[12:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to make a mountpoint on a new harddrive?
[12:56] <parkbench> benplaut: no, this file is what i need to make it work
[12:56] <nalioth> zen:?
[12:56] <mwe> lydon, or sudo ifup eth1
[12:56] <lydon> mwe: "couldn't read interfaces file"
[12:56] <zen> nalioth - for the synaptic sort by games tip :D
[12:56] <parkbench> benplaut: or at least i think i might...i worked with bddebian for a while, and got some other thinsg fixed but by now my only option left is to manually compile ndiswrapper
[12:56] <nalioth> vladuz976: and the settings for monitor matched your monitor?
[12:56] <parkbench> and thats the file im trying to move
[12:56] <nalioth> zen: ah, yes, thats the quickest and easiest
[12:57] <mwe> lydon, ok you need to go over /etc/network/interfaces again
[12:57] <slisher> can anyone help me with kino (video editor)?
[12:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[12:57] <lydon> mwe: I'm there
[12:57] <nalioth> slisher: ask your question to the channel
[12:57] <mwe> lydon, paste it somewhere and I'll have a look, the complete file
[12:58] <vladuz976> nalioth, yes that went fine, no problems and my desktop looks awesome except for the  applications, but not even all like firefox is ok and the terminal is ok. seems like only stuff i added with apt-get after install has that low resolution or i don't know how to describe it
[12:58] <nalioth> where can you pastebin a screenshot?
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: photo bucket?
[12:58] <aron> how do i make my packages manager multiverse and universe
[12:58] <nalioth> vladuz976: take a screenshot and see the www.photobucket.com
[12:58] <tiglionabbit>  !sources
[12:58] <ubotu> I heard sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[12:58] <ubotu> repositories is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:59] <tiglionabbit> aron: read those
[12:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth whats the command to make a mountpoint on a new hard drive?
[12:59] <nalioths_dog> damn y'all quick
[12:59] <aron> tiglionabbit, thanks
[12:59] <mwe> lydon http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:59] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what is the HDs address? as in /dev/hd?
[12:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> /dev/hdb1
[01:00] <nomed> hi
[01:00] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you make a folder in your homedir (or wherever you want to mount the HD onto)
[01:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mkdir foamy?
[01:00] <lydon> mwe: okay http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/426 if I did it right
[01:00] <Big_O> ugh >.>
[01:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is that the right command?
[01:00] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what filesystem is it?
[01:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ext3
[01:00] <nomed> is there anyone that could explain why pbuilder doesn't work? pdebuild and then i receive some errors about packages auth.
[01:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was gonna use fat16 but said screw it
[01:01] <seth_k> nomed, sure
[01:01] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: then you issue "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /home/foamy
[01:01] <seth_k> nomed, there's a file you need to create
[01:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth thank you so much ^_^
[01:01] <nomed> seth_k, how?
[01:01] <aks> anybody here do an install selecting a location of Canada
[01:01] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: im rusty on my mount stuff, so if it dont work someone else can point out my mistake
[01:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and that will make the dir too?
[01:01] <seth_k> nomed, create a file in /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d called allow-unauthenticated
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[01:02] <seth_k> nomed: inside this file, put:
[01:02] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: if it does work, we need to add to the fstab
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[01:02] <shinitenshi> w000t w000t
[01:02] <shinitenshi> sup guys
[01:02] <seth_k> APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1;
[01:02] <seth_k> nomed: then save and update your base.tgz
[01:02] <shinitenshi> >.<
[01:02] <nalioth> seth_k: would you like to add that to the apt wiki?
[01:03] <nomed> seth_k, i have that file .. and also an updated db .. :/
[01:03] <seth_k> you sure you spelled everything inside right, nomed?
[01:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it says that only root can do that is it ok to sudo that command?
[01:03] <seth_k> I misspelled AllowUnauthenticated first time around :P
[01:03] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes
[01:03] <seth_k> nalioth: that's a pbuilder specific issue and is documented on the Pbuilder page of the wiki
[01:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[01:03] <tiglionabbit> hey guys.  After doing !sound xmame sounds really scratchy and plays at low framerate.  But everything else works way better.  What do you think could be the problem with xmame?
[01:03] <mwe> lydon, what did ifup eth1 say again?
[01:03] <nomed> well copy and paste from wiki
[01:03] <seth_k> hmm
[01:04] <mwe> lydon, cause I can't spot any errors
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mount: mount point /home/foamy does not exist
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:04] <nalioth> seth_k: can regular users find it if they are tired of the (i assume) 'bad gpg messages"?
[01:04] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you need to create that folder
[01:04] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: and make sure it's empty
[01:04] <Matt_Arnold> hello, I'm a new Linux user.
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mkdir /home/foamy?
[01:04] <nalioth> Matt_Arnold: welcome
[01:04] <tiglionabbit> hello Matt_Arnold, I hope you find Ubuntu to be a fun distro
[01:04] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[01:04] <lydon> mew: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/427
[01:04] <seth_k> welcome Matt_Arnold
[01:04] <shinitenshi> Just ask! ok here goes nothing >.<
[01:05] <Matt_Arnold> I've been trying to install Linux for more than a year and Ubuntu is the first one that worked.
[01:05] <alnr> when i run apt-get install kubuntu-desktop it fails to fetch akregator and several others with md5sum mismatch. i've run apt-get update. any ideas?
[01:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/foamy': Permission denied
[01:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:05] <seth_k> congrats
[01:05] <seth_k> nalioth, no. It's only in the dev section
[01:05] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: use sudo
[01:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[01:05] <seth_k> nomed: maybe try rebuilding your base.tgz?
[01:05] <nalioth> alnr: some of the repos are having some troubles today
[01:05] <shinitenshi> Umm I wanted to know how to install Micromedia final on wine every time i run it it gives me errors >.<
[01:05] <zen> if i wanted to compile my own kernel in ubuntu, would make menuconfig have the options of the current kernel? and would copying it from /boot be enough to back it up?
[01:05] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: cd into your home directory
[01:05] <nomed> E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes <-- this is the error
[01:06] <Matt_Arnold> I had problems but I have lots of tech friends who helped me. So anyway, I'm just chatting here to say thank you to the Ubuntu community. Thank you!
[01:06] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: now type "mkdir foamy"
[01:06] <seth_k> nalioth, which repos are having issues?
[01:06] <alnr> nalioth: ok thanks, i guess i'll try later
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think it worked i diden't cd into my home dir though
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just did mkdir home/foamy
[01:06] <seth_k> Matt_Arnold: we're always here if you need help :)
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is that gonna be a problem?
[01:06] <nalioth> seth_k: more than one, i havent been keeping track (its just the us ones, i think)
[01:06] <zen> anyone know?
[01:06] <nomed> but what's wrong with debuild? :/
[01:06] <eternale1> how come i can't change my resolution the only choice is 640 by 480
[01:06] <seth_k> thanks nalioth
[01:06] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: do you have a new "foamy" directory in your home folder?
[01:06] <seth_k> eternale1: do you use an Intel graphics chip?
[01:07] <mwe> lydon, you need to put in your key there wireless-key1 1af0ed substitute for your key
[01:07] <nomed> i've never had problem with it in debian
[01:07] <Razor-X> nalioth
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes i do
[01:07] <zen> guys, does anyone know if i wanted to compile my own kernel in ubuntu, would make menuconfig have the options of the current kernel? and would copying it from /boot be enough to back it up?
[01:07] <Razor-X> what work are you documenting on the wiki for membership?
[01:07] <eternale1> its a old voodoo 3
[01:07] <nalioth> zen: there are wonderful hand-holding walkthroughs on kernel compiling on the web
[01:07] <eternale1> but it did fine with the resolution on the live cd
[01:07] <zen> yeah i know
[01:07] <nalioth> zen: kernel stuff is a little out of the league here
[01:07] <vladuz976> nalioth, http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a285/vladuz976/Screenshot.png
[01:07] <zen> im just talking from my experience with gentoo here, since they are both deb based
[01:07] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: back to your mount command
[01:08] <seth_k> eternale1: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look for the "Monitor" section
[01:08] <zen> gentoo was easy to do kernel compiles
[01:08] <kbrooks> zen, wrong
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok done i'm trying it now with crossed fingers ^_^
[01:08] <Razor-X> well, portage is compilation in and of itself
[01:08] <seth_k> eternale1: see if you have two lines about HorizRate and VertRefresh
[01:08] <kbrooks> gentoo is not based upondebian
[01:08] <zen> thought it was a debian derivative
[01:08] <lifeless> ope
[01:08] <lydon> mwe: the wireless that I'm on now is unencrypted
[01:08] <lifeless> its a crack derivative
[01:08] <nalioth> eternale1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com has a lot on fixing video resolution
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> god damnit
[01:08] <seth_k> nomed: i'm sorry that I don't have any other suggestions. what's the exact error?
[01:08] <tiglionabbit> !resolution
[01:08] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> access denied what the hell >.<
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i need this data!!!!
[01:09] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: "sudo"
[01:09] <mwe> lydon, then comment the line by putting a # in front of the wireless-key1 line
[01:09] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: patience
[01:09] <lydon> mwe: done
[01:09] <mwe> lydon, then it should work
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm running out of that quite fast
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: please try to understand how some of this works.  Read the page on sudo
[01:09] <mwe> lydon, try ifup eth1 now
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[01:09] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:10] <lydon> mwe: it looks like it worked that time
[01:10] <mwe> lydon, great
[01:10] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: linux doesn't work without patience
[01:10] <eternale1> seth_k: i see monitor section no lines about horizrate and vertrefresh
[01:10] <seth_k> eternale1: what monitor do you have? including model number, please
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i understand  that
[01:10] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: your command may not work again, due to my syntax error
[01:10] <lydon> mwe: so you think it will be activated if I reboot?
[01:10] <mwe> lydon, yes
[01:10] <eternale1> seth_k: sony cpd-e210
[01:11] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: then you issue "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /home/<your username>/foamy
[01:11] <lydon> mwe: great, thanks for your help... the Ubuntu community is the best
[01:11] <mwe> lydon, np
[01:11] <lydon> I'm going to try it right now... good day all
[01:11] <stisev> hi all
[01:11] <seth_k> eternale1: add these lines:
[01:11] <stisev> how do I remove a directory that has files in it?
[01:12] <seth_k>      HorizSync          30-85
[01:12] <stisev> what's the CLI command for it
[01:12] <seth_k>      VertRefresh        48-120
[01:12] <mwe> stisev, rm -rf
[01:12] <stisev> k
[01:12] <stisev> stand by
[01:12] <nalioth> vladuz976: my goodness you have a large monitor
[01:12] <seth_k> eternale1: then restart X and you should be good
[01:12] <eternale1> under the monitor section correct
[01:12] <eternale1> ?
[01:12] <nomed> seth_k, http://phpfi.com/68655
[01:12] <seth_k> eternale1: that's right
[01:12] <eternale1> ok ty let me try
[01:12] <nalioth> stisev: be careful with that command
[01:12] <nalioth> stisev: once they're gone, they're gone
[01:12] <vladuz976> nalioth, its only 19 inch
[01:12] <stisev> nalioth: NP thanx
[01:12] <nalioth> vladuz976: well, it looks ok to me
[01:13] <nalioth> vladuz976: from the screenshot
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mount: mount point /home/shane/foamy does not exist
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what the hell am i doin wrong?
[01:13] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: open a terminal
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm in terminal now
[01:13] <seth_k> nomed: that's exactly right. How about this, did you edit /etc/pbuilderrc and set up your apt config directory?
[01:13] <vladuz976> nalioth, do you see the differnce between the font size for the dvd rip and the firefox that is one indicator
[01:13] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: type "cd" and hit enter
[01:13] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Please read the error and understand it.  It is very obvious what it means
[01:13] <nomed> yes
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but it's there
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> are you sure
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth ok done
[01:14] <seth_k> nomed: (exactly right as in exactly the error I got when my authentication was wrong)
[01:14] <signbarn> Okay, so just recently when i boot up, my optical drives (my DVD+R/W and CD-R/W) only show up as CD-ROM 1 and CD-ROM 2, and when I go to properties, it gives me a strange Mount Error. Any ideas?
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it means the directory you're specifying does not exist.  It matters what the directory you are looking at is
[01:14] <nalioth> vladuz976: it looks fine to me
[01:14] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: now type "mkdir foamy"
[01:14] <nomed> APTCONFDIR="/etc/pbuilder/apt.config/"
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: please get used to using relative directory names
[01:14] <Razor-X> nalioth: what work are you quoting in the wiki?
[01:14] <seth_k> nomed: permissions on the file allow-unauthenticated? you're doing everything right so far :/
[01:14] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: that was how he was instructed first
[01:14] <aks> my / key is  after a default install.  Is this a known bug or new (assume a question mark here.  It got remapped to I-know-not-where)
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth done
[01:14] <nalioth> Razor-X: what?
[01:14] <Razor-X> nalioth: for membership
[01:15] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: now type '
[01:15] <weiers> Something weird happened. I think I rebooted my computer for the first time since I installed Ubuntu and suddenly my screen resolution is at 480x640 and there are no other options. How can I cange it back to something higher? It is terrible and I can hardly run my programmes.
[01:15] <nalioth> ls' and see if 'foamy' exists
[01:15] <vladuz976> nalioth, yeah maybe, its not that severe, but for now ok
[01:15] <tiglionabbit> !resolution
[01:15] <ubotu> methinks resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[01:15] <nalioth> Razor-X: to sign up for pain and torture?
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea it does
[01:15] <Razor-X> nalioth: for Ubuntu membership
[01:15] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: now you may proceed with the mount commend (use sudo)
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[01:15] <nomed> -rw-r--r-- ..  cat /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d/S80allow-unauthenticated
[01:16] <nomed> APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1; <-- i really don't know
[01:16] <seth_k> oy, what's that S80
[01:16] <nalioth> Razor-X: for NUN membership? for ubuntu membership ya gotta see the big boss
[01:16] <eternale1> seth_k: excellent 1 more question ... during my last linux distro i had an /mnt/hdb1 in my fstab whcih was my media stuff it doesn't seem to be found by ubuntu so its not in the fstab ... do i have to manually add it?
[01:16] <Razor-X> nalioth: the wiki says you need testimonials, and documents you have quoted in the wiki
[01:16] <eternale1> its a different drive sepreate from the install
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok done
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is that all?
[01:17] <nalioth> eternale1: does "sudo fdisk -l" show your media partition?
[01:17] <Razor-X> any joe users here?
[01:17] <nomed> seth_k, doesn't metter .. i changed it for a try
[01:17] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: thats it
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^ yay thank you so much
[01:17] <nalioth> Razor-X: my mind is in a million places
[01:17] <`Cat> Any news on mono 1.1.8 ?
[01:17] <seth_k> so odd, nomed. I've exhausted everything I can think of
[01:18] <eternale1> seth_k: ah yes it does
[01:18] <Razor-X> nalioth: Ubuntu membership is serious stuff
[01:18] <nalioth> seth_k: VESA
[01:18] <eternale1> it shows it
[01:18] <Razor-X> especially if you push for maintainer status
[01:18] <Stealth-X> you stole my X
[01:18] <Stealth-X> ;(
[01:18] <Razor-X> Stealth-X: i'll take the converse
[01:18] <seth_k> nalioth: what about VESA, I missed something
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth thank you so much i really appriciate your help ^_^
[01:18] <Razor-X> I haven't seen you around here, and so, I can only amuse that you've taken it from me ;)
[01:18] <Razor-X> *assume
[01:18] <Stealth-X> no
[01:18] <Stealth-X> heh
[01:18] <nalioth> seth_k: VESA is jesus
[01:19] <nalioth> no offense
[01:19] <Razor-X> nalioth: XDDD
[01:19] <nomed> seth_k, just a Q more ... don't i need to chroot anywhere true? pbuilder create generate the chroot env and then i just need to call pdebuild for ex ..
[01:19] <Razor-X> SVGA PWNZ J00, Jesus (joke) ;)
[01:19] <seth_k> nomed, that's right. Here's my pdebuild line:
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth why does it denie me access to storage?
[01:19] <signbarn> Okay, so just recently when i boot up, my optical drives (my DVD+R/W and CD-R/W) only show up as CD-ROM 1 and CD-ROM 2, and when I go to properties, it gives me a strange Mount Error. Just yesterday they registered as the correct "DVD+R/W, CD-R/W" and showed the name of the disc in the drive -- now they don't. Any ideas?
[01:19] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what storage?
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to the new drive
[01:19] <seth_k> nomed, pdebuild --auto-debsign --buildresult ../
[01:20] <tiglionabbit> signbarn: put a disc in
[01:20] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: open a terminal please
[01:20] <seth_k> and then it just goes
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth done
[01:20] <vladuz976> hey does anybody get the same problem when trying to add themes to firefox? it asks me to install the upgrade 1.04 but that is what i have, i can't even access the themes on their website
[01:20] <tiglionabbit> vladuz976: yes, everyone does.  Change vendorsub in about:config
[01:20] <Razor-X> vladuz976: go to about:config and make sure to edit the version string
[01:20] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: issue "sudo gedit /etc/fstab"
[01:20] <Razor-X> ahhh, tiglionabbit beat me to the punch ;)
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> /dev/hdb1       /foamy          ext3     defaults           0	    0
[01:21] <vladuz976> Razor-X,  and tiglionabbit where is that file i need to change?
[01:21] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: yeah but we're not very verbose about it
[01:21] <signbarn> tiglionabbit: i have one in. it doesn't register the name, or icon in the Computer screen or the desktop, but I can play cds with the cd player and dvds with the dvd player
[01:21] <Razor-X> no joe users to help me out here? :(
[01:21] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i don't need to see anything
[01:21] <Razor-X> vladuz976: type in "about:config" in the Firefox URL bar
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sorry
[01:21] <Razor-X> you've never played with Firefox?
[01:21] <Razor-X> Firefox is quite slow if it's unconfigured
[01:21] <signbarn> tiglionabbit: and i get an error when i go to properties.
[01:21] <nomed> pbuilder create again ... uff
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> firefox rocks ^_^
[01:21] <nalioth> Razor-X: you have notices AND priv msgs
[01:21] <Razor-X> (compared to Opera)
[01:21] <Razor-X> nalioth: ahhh, sorry
[01:21] <eternale1> seth_k: doing fstab -l shows the /dev/hdb1 but it won't mount since its missing it in /etc/fstab
[01:22] <Razor-X> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I prefer Opera myself
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i want to try it is it any good?
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the windows version sucked
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok fstab is open
[01:22] <nomed> it's amazing  also links2 -g 8)
[01:22] <seth_k> eternale1: try nalioth for fstab stuff :P
[01:22] <Razor-X> nomed: especially if you compile it yourself ;)
[01:22] <nomed> yep ...
[01:22] <tiglionabbit> signbarn: I think it depends on whether it's a music cd or data cd.  Ubuntu auto-mounts most things for you
[01:22] <tiglionabbit> ubotu forget firefox
[01:22] <tiglionabbit> ubotu firefox is -- to get themes, type "about:config" in your address bar, search for vendorsub, and change it from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[01:22] <ubotu> i forgot firefox, tiglionabbit
[01:22] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: okay
[01:23] <vladuz976> Razor-X, what are the exact names of the files please i don't see anything with version
[01:23] <nomed> i can read gmail 8)
[01:23] <signbarn> tiglionabbit: should i have a music cd in when i restart
[01:23] <eternale1> i have my old fstab file im thinking maybe just adding the same line would make it work
[01:23] <seth_k> ah, so you can train ubotu!
[01:23] <Razor-X> vladuz976: change the string "vendorsub"
[01:23] <tiglionabbit> crap, pulled my cable out
[01:23] <seth_k> eternale1: yep, go for it
[01:23] <nomed> but i would build my pkges in a standard way and that pbuilder :/
[01:23] <vladuz976> Razor-X, not there
[01:23] <Razor-X> vladuz976: i'm guessing it should be, search on the page
[01:24] <Razor-X> as I said above, I'm an Opera user, so when it comes to Firefox, I can't help with specifics
[01:24] <vladuz976> Razor-X, general.useragent.vendorSub
[01:24] <vladuz976> ?
[01:24] <Razor-X> I don't bleat with the OSS browser of choise
[01:24] <vladuz976> to what?
[01:24] <Razor-X> vladuz976: probably
[01:24] <Razor-X> try it, no harm in editing it
[01:24] <tiglionabbit> ubotu firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[01:24] <ubotu> ...but firefox is already something else...
[01:24] <tiglionabbit> ubotu forget firefox
[01:24] <ubotu> i forgot firefox, tiglionabbit
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> ubotu firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[01:25] <virgule> ewww
[01:25] <vladuz976> Razor-X, tiglionabbit change the value to "0"??
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> vladuz976: what?
[01:25] <Razor-X> vladuz976: change it to the version string you desire
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> !firefox
[01:25] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> ubotu firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[01:25] <Razor-X> 1.04, in this case
[01:25] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: okay
[01:25] <Matt_Arnold> when I tried to access the drive on my other computer through Samba, it crashed. Now it's asking me to provide the bug report with a TCP dump. How do I acquire this?
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> there we go
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> !firefox
[01:25] <seth_k> heh
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> grr, timeouts
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> have to wait a minute before saying it
[01:26] <vladuz976> Razor-X, i have no idea what you are talking about. or what i need to change
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> !firefox
[01:26] <ubotu> I guess firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[01:26] <Razor-X> vladuz976: you've never played with a text file?
[01:26] <vladuz976> Razor-X, i h ave
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> hooray, much better
[01:26] <virgule> ubotu virgule is curious
[01:26] <ubotu> okay, virgule
[01:26] <Razor-X> vladuz976: the values to the left are the variable names, and their values are to the right
[01:26] <virgule> !virgule
[01:26] <ubotu> methinks virgule is curious
[01:26] <Razor-X> it's that simple ;)
[01:26] <Razor-X> ubuntu forget virgule
[01:26] <virgule> 0_o
[01:26] <virgule> ok..
[01:26] <Razor-X> ubotu forget virgule
[01:26] <ubotu> i forgot virgule, Razor-X
[01:26] <Razor-X> no names
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> virgule: the admins will get mad at you for that =[
[01:27] <virgule> i woul dhave told him to forget right waay, anyway ;)
[01:27] <vladuz976> Razor-X, got it changed to 1.04 now works
[01:27] <Razor-X> ubotu names are something you should not add in me
[01:27] <ubotu> Razor-X: okay
[01:27] <deviant> hello guys. cand some one pls tell me what config file do i have to edit in order to specify what files from my hdd are share by apache server.
[01:27] <Razor-X> names!
[01:27] <Razor-X> err
[01:27] <Razor-X> !names
[01:27] <seth_k> hehe
[01:27] <ubotu> names are something you should not add in me
[01:27] <Razor-X> exactly
[01:28] <Razor-X> don't add personal names into ubotu
[01:28] <nalioth> Razor-X: empty him of that
[01:28] <nalioth> y'all dont be abusing the bot
[01:28] <tiglionabbit> ubotu Debra is Ian's wife
[01:28] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: okay
[01:28] <Razor-X> nalioth: why? it's convenient
[01:28] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: no bot abuse
[01:28] <tiglionabbit> lol, may I stretch the definition here?
[01:28] <Razor-X> ubotu forget Debra
[01:28] <ubotu> i forgot debra, Razor-X
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> it's topical though
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> !linus
[01:29] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, tiglionabbit
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> !linux
[01:29] <nalioth> Razor-X: so am i
[01:29] <ubotu> I heard linux is a kernel, but commonly refers to awesomeness
[01:29] <Razor-X> yes, linus
[01:29] <Razor-X> that's a name we _can_ add ;)
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> lol, I put that linux one in there
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> someone think of something better
[01:29] <cafuego> ubotu has 0-odd GB of storage left, we really don't care if it knows a little tidbit about *you* ;-)
[01:29] <ubotu> cafuego: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[01:29] <Kyral> Hmmm, anyone know how to change the "Screensaver Lock Screen"?
[01:29] <cafuego> Eh, 70-odd GB
[01:30] <eternale1> thank you for the help seth_k im sure we'll speak again :D
[01:30] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:30] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: 70 gb!?  That's plenty, wtf?
[01:30] <seth_k> nps eternale1, glad I could help :D
[01:30] <Razor-X> cafuego: more than my HDD ;)
[01:30] <Razor-X> the people who help here often have modest hardware
[01:30] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: are you seriously telling me that 70gb isn't enough to store a few single lines of text?
[01:30] <statik> thats not true
[01:30] <Razor-X> while those that know nothing about what they have have the most expensive hardware ;)
[01:30] <vladuz976> Razor-X, the themes install but don't change, close firefox restart it same old theme
[01:30] <cafuego> Just a vhost box with 2x80GB, not that full yet (just web sites & mail)
[01:30] <Razor-X> vladuz976: not sure then *shrugs*
[01:31] <Razor-X> as I said, i'm not a Firefox user
[01:31] <tiglionabbit> !ubuntu
[01:31] <ubotu> methinks ubuntu is http://www.ubuntolinux.org or FAQ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[01:31] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: No, I was saying you can add your few lines of text, because there is heaps of space.
[01:31] <seth_k> oy, ubotu spelled the link wrong
[01:31] <Razor-X> ahhh, you can?
[01:31] <Razor-X> Amaranth was beating us on the head with sticks for doing that ;)
[01:31] <seth_k> ubotu forget linux
[01:31] <ubotu> i forgot linux, seth_k
[01:31] <seth_k> ubotu Linux is the "kernel", or core of the Ubuntu operating system. Ubuntu is only one version of Linux. For more information on Linux in general, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[01:31] <ubotu> okay, seth_k
[01:31] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: then why do the admins always say "NO!  Ubotu doesn't have enough space for you to fill it with crap like that" when I put things in it...
[01:31] <bkv> i got an intallation q, if thats alright
[01:31] <cafuego> !ubuntu =~ s/ubunto/ubuntu/
[01:31] <ubotu> OK, cafuego
[01:32] <seth_k> nice cafuego :P
[01:32] <bkv> i want to install ubuntu this week but i'll have to do a net install coz my cd drives bust, i'm going to lose xp arent i or can i tell it to only take up the free space and not remove the old stuff?
[01:32] <The_Flyest> irc://irc.atomic-irc.net/bay2la
[01:32] <tiglionabbit> bkv: you're safe.  You can resize ntfs
[01:32] <Razor-X> bkv: you can partition the harddrive to install both
[01:32] <Razor-X> The_Flyest: no
[01:32] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: Anyone who says that who is not me has no idea about space on ubotu <eh>
[01:32] <bkv> ah okay, i thought i'd have to do it from p with partition magic or something
[01:33] <tiglionabbit> !ntfs
[01:33] <ubotu> No idea, tiglionabbit
[01:33] <The_Flyest> how can I open irc links in firefox?
[01:33] <Razor-X> uggghhh
[01:33] <jasoncohen> The_Flyest, in xchat right click and choose open in existing firefox window
[01:33] <bkv> so even though xp is currently on the whole hard disk, i get the install going and it'll let me turn the free space into linux space?
[01:33] <cafuego> Razor-X: Well, there's a subtle difference between a bunch of harmless factoinds and spam/botabuse.
[01:33] <Razor-X> there's a #firefox channel
[01:33] <Razor-X> cafuego: I was proposing adding blurbs for the frequent helpers
[01:33] <seth_k> ubotu ntfs is the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu.
[01:33] <ubotu> seth_k: okay
[01:34] <artist303> I tried to install audacity but I get this error: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libs/libsndfile/libsndfile1_1.0.10-2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[01:34] <Razor-X> other than firefox problems specific to Ubuntu, please take Firefox problems to #firefox
[01:34] <tiglionabbit> seth_k: thanks.  I was about to do that
[01:34] <Razor-X> because not all of us use Firefox
[01:34] <artist303> who should I report this?
[01:34] <cafuego> Razor-X: It's probably better to let people do their own factoids
[01:34] <seth_k> artist303: it's a temporary problem with us archive
[01:34] <Razor-X> artist303: do you have us.archive Ubuntu repos?
[01:34] <Razor-X> cafuego: that's what I meant
[01:34] <bkv> what if in a few weeks or so i want to completely remove xp and use that space, can i resize the linux partition to take up the whole hdd?
[01:34] <Razor-X> seth_k: temporary?
[01:35] <seth_k> bkv: yes :)
[01:35] <cafuego> Razor-X: If you want one, just add it
[01:35] <The_Flyest> right click in xchat (currently working in)?
[01:35] <Razor-X> it's been about 4 months (IIRC)
[01:35] <bkv> brilliant, thanks
[01:35] <Razor-X> that's not very... temporary
[01:35] <The_Flyest> what do I choose than?
[01:35] <seth_k> Razor-X: it comes and goes
[01:35] <tiglionabbit> bkv: yes, you can.  When you get to the partitioning stage, tell it you want to partition yourself.  Select the ntfs partition, and select the "size" thing on it, and change it so it's smaller, so you have room to put other things on
[01:35] <nalioth> seth_k: i think its more then the us ones, i have a report the gb ones are fritzy also
[01:35] <artist303> yes, my repos is us.archive
[01:35] <Razor-X> remove the "us." from the entries
[01:35] <Razor-X> and you're set
[01:35] <tiglionabbit> bkv: you cannot resize a partition from the start of it, only from the end.  So you could wipe that partition and format it as another ext3 partiton to be used by linux, yes
[01:36] <The_Flyest> jasoncohen: right click in xchat (currently working in)?
[01:36] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> algum brasileiro aqui ?
[01:36] <seth_k> nalioth, oy, that's new. Last I heard it was only US/CA
[01:36] <The_Flyest> what do I choose than?
[01:36] <Razor-X> (in /etc/apt/sources.list)
[01:36] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[01:36] <ubotu> well, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:36] <Razor-X> DeJaVu_ZoOm: no hablamos espanol en aqui, #ubuntu-es habla espanol
[01:36] <bkv> i just have to hope my net install works then... i'm on a router, i'm gonna connect with cables in case the pcmcia doesnt work and i'm gonna put the iso or whatevers needed on the other pc and set up an ftp server, right?
[01:36] <seth_k> !pbuilder
[01:36] <ubotu> seth_k: Are you smoking crack?
[01:36] <seth_k> mmm crack
[01:36] <deviant>  me what config file do i have to edit in order to specify what files from my hdd are share by apache server.
[01:36] <artist303> Razor-X: ok, i'll try it, thx
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> !apt
[01:37] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> cool
[01:37] <bkv> i read something about getting the ubuntu install files off the xp partition so i wouldnt need another pc, could that work?
[01:37] <seth_k> ubotu, pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[01:37] <ubotu> seth_k: okay
[01:37] <Razor-X> ubotu Razor-X is your friendly asexual Ubuntu helper who's writing a book on command-line usage for users new to it
[01:37] <ubotu> okay, Razor-X
[01:37] <Razor-X> there you are
[01:37] <seth_k> oy
[01:37] <Ghetek> installing ubuntu on a laptop i get an error at install when it gets to "retrieving gettext-base" then the screen turns red and i get a "bootstrap error"
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> !moo
[01:37] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: Are you smoking crack?
[01:38] <inemo> !die
[01:38] <ubotu> inemo: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:38] <Razor-X> Ghetek: what model laptop?
[01:38] <nalioth> Razor-X: please
[01:38] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, sorry, I'm brazilian
[01:38] <Razor-X> inemo: no
[01:38] <tiglionabbit> ubotu moo is apt-get with Super Cow Powers!
[01:38] <ubotu> okay, tiglionabbit
[01:38] <aron> im trying to install cedega after tar it and install it it says cedega command not found
[01:38] <nalioth> Ghetek: your cd or cd drive may need attention
[01:38] <aron> or whatever
[01:38] <The_Flyest> I have a link in firefox like irc://irc.mqkjf.com, when I click on it (in firefox), how do I make it connect automatic through xchat?
[01:38] <eternale1> does apt-get not have mplayer or xine?
[01:38] <Razor-X> DeJaVu_ZoOm: ahhh, yeah, my Spanish isn't good ;)
[01:38] <Razor-X> go to #ubuntu-es
[01:38] <aron> bash: cedega: command not found
[01:38] <cafuego> however, factoids *can* be added via '/msg ubotu'
[01:38] <tiglionabbit> eternale1: it does
[01:38] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, where you from ?
[01:38] <tiglionabbit> eternale1: you may need to add repositories
[01:38] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[01:38] <ubotu> somebody said backports was http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[01:38] <nalioths_dog> eternale1: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[01:39] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[01:39] <ubotu> it has been said that repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:39] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[01:39] <ubotu> it has been said that sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:39] <nalioths_dog> eternale1: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:39] <Razor-X> The_Flyest: #firefox
[01:39] <Razor-X> uggghhhh! stop that tiglionabbit
[01:39] <nalioths_dog> eternale1: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:39] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: sorry
[01:39] <tiglionabbit> lol, double-botted
[01:39] <Razor-X> DeJaVu_ZoOm: I live in America
[01:39] <The_Flyest> thx
[01:40] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, what country ?
[01:40] <Razor-X> I can speak very small snatches of Japanese, some French, and some Bengali
[01:40] <Razor-X> USA
[01:40] <fishie> i did apt-get for ethereal. when i run and enter the root pw i get the following..."Failed to run /usr/bin/ethereal:
[01:40] <fishie>  Wrong password.'
[01:40] <bkv> so can ubuntu be installed off my current xp partition so i dont have to mess with ftps and such (no cd drive remember)
[01:40] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, ohhhhhhh cool! :-)
[01:40] <seth_k> fishie: use sudo + your own password
[01:40] <nalioth> fishie: run it from a terminal in which you've issued 'sudo -s"
[01:40] <Razor-X> fishie: what seth_k said
[01:40] <Razor-X> !sudo
[01:40] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:40] <artist303> Razor-X: thanks a lot! It works
[01:40] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, this is my first boot in ubuntu!
[01:40] <Razor-X> artist303: heh
[01:40] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, lol ;-)
[01:40] <nalioth> seth_k: some things ONLY want to run from a root user (not sudo)
[01:41] <Razor-X> DeJaVu_ZoOm: what's the prob?
[01:41] <Razor-X> sudo -s
[01:41] <Razor-X> for total root access as a root user
[01:41] <nalioth> Razor-X: pay attention to your channels
[01:42] <Razor-X> ugghh
[01:42] <budluva> is anyone aware of some good sites for starting programming in ubuntu?
[01:42] <Razor-X> budluva: most programming is done in pure text
[01:42] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, i want to lower amsn with apt-get .. but, i don't know
[01:42] <cafuego> budluva: start by picking a language
[01:42] <Ghetek> Razor-X: its a dell inspiron 4100
[01:42] <budluva> well in linux for that matter
[01:43] <Razor-X> Ghetek: hmmmm....
[01:43] <budluva> cafuego, just pick one out of the hat eh? :P
[01:43] <Razor-X> DeJaVu_ZoOm: sudo apt-get install amsn
[01:43] <cafuego> budluva: after you've picked C, get 'The C Programming Language" the book.
[01:43] <tiglionabbit> budluva: I would recommend you go buy a book called th
[01:43] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: you beat me to it
[01:43] <budluva> hehe
[01:43] <Razor-X> not C, uggghh h;)
[01:43] <Razor-X> *uggghhhh
[01:43] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, thx
[01:43] <Razor-X> budluva: everything's done in text files, compilers are called on the pure-text source
[01:43] <cafuego> budluva: If you wants something a bit easier, maybe try PHP.
[01:44] <budluva> k
[01:44] <The_Flyest> I have a link in firefox like irc://irc.mqkjf.com, when I click on it (in firefox), how do I make it connect automatic through xchat?
[01:44] <budluva> ill look into both
[01:44] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: no no, have him do perl
[01:44] <dug> bugluva: python is used for some things in ubuntu
[01:44] <Razor-X> now the choice comes in what you want to develop (the language) and the text editor of your choice
[01:44] <The_Flyest> nodbody answers on the firefox channel
[01:44] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: I said _easier_
[01:44] <Razor-X> I myself suggest C++ or C# as a first language ;)
[01:44] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: but perl is easy
[01:44] <waka> when is colony-3 likely to see the light of day ?
[01:44] <Razor-X> The_Flyest: then wait (I don't know the answer meself)
[01:44] <cafuego> Razor-X: Suggesting C++ is a crime.
[01:45] <seth_k> cafuego: seconded
[01:45] <The_Flyest> :(
[01:45] <nalioth> The_Flyest: in System > prefs > defualt programs or something, choose yor stuff
[01:45] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: s/easy/([-*+] ){//}/
[01:45] <chrissturm> c++ needs to be forgotten
[01:45] <Razor-X> cafuego: If you mean objects are a crime then... ;)
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> budluva: All you need to do is install "build-essential" and pick up the book "The C Programming Language".  You can probably write things using gedit if you're new to editors
[01:45] <budluva> oh god look what i've started hehe
[01:45] <cafuego> Razor-X: No, objcts are fine. C++ just isn't.
[01:45] <chrissturm> Razor-X, look at smalltalk, eiffel, ruby, for object oriented languages
[01:45] <budluva> tiglionabbit, i prefer nano :P
[01:45] <Razor-X> C's blocky syntax... you can call that fun... ;)
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: just because the substitution expressions exist doesn't mean you have to use them
[01:46] <nalioth> guys, what do you put in your fstab behind umask= so that all users can read/write?
[01:46] <Razor-X> nalioth: not sure, I can assume it's 0777
[01:46] <seth_k> no no
[01:46] <tiglionabbit> 777 is read write and execute
[01:46] <fishie> it worked by just using the root terminal and just going to the folder and running ethereal.
[01:46] <seth_k> it's a mask, so you put the reverse, yes?
[01:46] <Razor-X> errr.. sorry
[01:46] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: I know. Still, I'm fairly proficient at C, but when I started hacking ubotu (perl) I wanted to stab myself in the eye with a fork.
[01:46] <chrissturm> budluva, i would recommend python or ruby
[01:46] <tiglionabbit> read = 4, write = 2, execute = 1.  So read+write is 6
[01:46] <fishie> so what would i need for the command to just click on it
[01:46] <Razor-X> 0555 happy?
[01:46] <tiglionabbit> umask=666
[01:47] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: I know my chmod ;)
[01:47] <Razor-X> errrr 666, sorry XD
[01:47] <tiglionabbit> unless I misunderstand umask
[01:47] <seth_k> you do
[01:47] <seth_k> umask is the opposite of what you want
[01:47] <seth_k> so you do umask=0111
[01:47] <tiglionabbit> yeah, hehe
[01:47] <Razor-X> ahhh, I see
[01:47] <seth_k> and that gives the files the permissions "666"
[01:47] <seth_k> i have NO clue why it works like that
[01:48] <chrissturm> probably its because you tell it what bits to mask :)
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> cuz it's a mask.  You know, like in photoshop?
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> rofl
[01:48] <seth_k> okay, rephrase
[01:48] <seth_k> I know why it works like that, I don't know why they made it work like that
[01:48] <seth_k> :P
[01:48] <waka> like in haloween
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> when you wear a mask, you can only see the parts of you that aren't "masked" by it
[01:48] <chrissturm> seth_k++
[01:48] <Razor-X> even stil
[01:48] <Razor-X> *still
[01:49] <Razor-X> the primary usage of a mask is transperency
[01:49] <Razor-X> if fstab gets some odd kick wearing a mask... *shrug*
[01:49] <seth_k> rolleye
[01:49] <seth_k> rollothereye
[01:49] <Razor-X> *transparancy
[01:49] <seth_k> transparency :P
[01:49] <seth_k> one of each
[01:49] <tiglionabbit> nukular
[01:50] <fishie> where is the location of menu items in a directory structure?
[01:50] <nalioth> so is that the final answer? umask=0111    ?
[01:50] <tiglionabbit> fishie: which menu?
[01:50] <fishie> applications
[01:51] <Razor-X> hmmmmm... I really need to learn regex.... :(
[01:51] <tiglionabbit> fishie: locate .desktop | less
[01:51] <tiglionabbit> lemme see...
[01:51] <Razor-X> regex was one of those things I never learned, and hte amount I text, it's about time I learn them
[01:51] <Razor-X> *the
[01:51] <nalioth> Razor-X: scan your chans
[01:51] <Razor-X> ahhh, my mistake
[01:51] <Ghetek> Razor-X: i think it was my cd write speed
[01:51] <aron> hey i am trying to install cedega and its in /home/me/folder when i install it it installs all the of directories into the wrong folder
[01:52] <aron> and it makes all the folders with permissions
[01:52] <fishie> is this it
[01:52] <fishie> /usr/share/doc/ssh-askpass-gnome/examples/ssh-askpass-gnome.desktop
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> ah here we go
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> /usr/share/applications
[01:52] <fishie> sweet
[01:52] <fishie> thanks
[01:53] <tiglionabbit> all the things that show up in the menu are named something.desktop.  You can get more info by looking in their files
[01:53] <Tsunamii> need help
[01:53] <seth_k> hi Tsunamii
[01:53] <Tsunamii> hi seth_k  :P
[01:53] <tiglionabbit> whatcha need?
[01:53] <Tsunamii> why is it when i watch flash, no sound?
[01:53] <tiglionabbit> !flash
[01:53] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[01:54] <tiglionabbit> Tsunamii: there's an issue I saw recently on that
[01:54] <Tsunamii> oh
[01:54] <tiglionabbit> lemme look it up
[01:54] <seth_k> esd vs polyp, yes?
[01:55] <Tsunamii> i'm missing windows :(
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> this issue help? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> it didn't apply to me, but might to your sound card
[01:55] <virgule> hmm me think I found a bug in gluxbox's toolbar
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> for me, this thing helped:
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> !sound
[01:55] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[01:55] <virgule> fluxbox*
[01:55] <Ghetek> kde... crashing... cant let ubuntu channel know its happening...
[01:56] <tiglionabbit> Ghetek: did you install kde, or kubuntu-desktop?
[01:56] <nalioth> Tsunamii: don't miss windows, windows SUCKS
[01:56] <Ghetek> kubunto
[01:56] <seth_k> Ghetek: did you get kde 3.4.1 ?
[01:56] <Ghetek> *kubuntu
[01:56] <virgule> !kubuntu
[01:56] <ubotu> No idea, virgule
[01:56] <tiglionabbit> Tsunamii: the flash plugin for linux is in fact pretty bad, yes.  Nothing we can do about it
[01:56] <nalioth> wtf?
[01:56] <Ghetek> !ubuntu
[01:56] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org or FAQ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[01:56] <Tsunamii> nalioth, fair enough - but all my proggies are windows based - i've come to the conclusion that linux has too little developers :(
[01:56] <nalioth> !info kubuntu-desktop
[01:56] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: (Kubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.40 (hoary), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[01:57] <nalioth> Tsunamii: you have just said the funniest thing i've heard in a while
[01:57] <Ghetek> yeah i just get an svg error sometimes
[01:57] <Tsunamii> lol
[01:57] <nalioth> Tsunamii: lack of developers?
[01:57] <seth_k> ubotu, kubuntu is the KDE version of Ubuntu. Go to #kubuntu for Kubuntu support.
[01:57] <ubotu> okay, seth_k
[01:57] <Ghetek> and all my images are "octet-stream"
[01:57] <Tsunamii> well
[01:57] <Tsunamii> i understand there's heaps
[01:57] <Tsunamii> just that
[01:57] <Tsunamii> there's too much trouble :p
[01:57] <tiglionabbit> Tsunamii: what apps do you need?
[01:57] <tiglionabbit> !windows
[01:57] <ubotu> from memory, windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[01:57] <tiglionabbit> !alternatives
[01:57] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I don't know
[01:58] <tiglionabbit> !alternative
[01:58] <ubotu> it has been said that alternative is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[01:58] <Tsunamii> well, wine crashes a lot for me
[01:58] <Tsunamii> and cedega requires on-going costs
[01:58] <nalioth> Tsunamii: what don't you understand?
[01:58] <nalioth> Tsunamii: check that URL and come back
[01:59] <virgule> !info fluxbox
[01:59] <ubotu> fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 626 kB, Installed size: 1988 kB
[02:01] <virgule> is there a quick&painless way to convert a i386.deb to a powerpc.deb?
[02:01] <nalioth> virgule: not really
[02:01] <tiglionabbit> Tsunamii: it really depends what programs you want to use.  If you are to use linux, you may as well get comfortable with some of the native linux programs, rather than trying to emulate windows.  I personally have them dual boot, but I use ubuntu much more often than Windows
[02:01] <nalioth> virgule: you can use apt to compile from source, tho
[02:01] <nalioth> virgule: you'll end up with a powerpc ubuntu package
[02:01] <drew> can anyone here help me compile the GAIM source and install the autoprofile plugin?
[02:02] <nalioth> drew: first thing: install checkinstall
[02:02] <mindstorm> read the INSTALL file
[02:02] <nalioth> !checkinstall
[02:02] <ubotu> somebody said checkinstall was a program used in place of "make install". It makes a simple deb for installation
[02:03] <Discipulus> !ubuntuguide
[02:03] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation.  Please search the wiki instead, http://wiki.ubuntu.com. Reasons not to advise people to use the guide are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[02:03] <mindstorm> !rtfm
[02:03] <ubotu> I don't know, mindstorm
[02:03] <mindstorm> heh
[02:03] <mindstorm> :)
[02:03] <nalioth> holy cow
[02:03] <Discipulus> ubotu rtfm is read the f***ing manual
[02:03] <ubotu> okay, Discipulus
[02:03] <mindstorm> something thats not in there :)
[02:03] <nalioth> mindstorm: did you mean !jfgi?
[02:03] <Discipulus> !rtfm
[02:03] <Discipulus> bah
[02:03] <seth_k> Discipulus: i don't think that's acceptable.
[02:04] <seth_k> ubotu forget rtfm
[02:04] <ubotu> seth_k: i forgot rtfm
[02:04] <Discipulus> seth_k, I appologize
[02:04] <seth_k> no worries
[02:04] <virgule> its read the FINE manual
[02:04] <seth_k> just remember the CoC
[02:04] <Discipulus> CoC?
[02:04] <seth_k> Code of Conduct
[02:04] <seth_k> !coc
[02:04] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, seth_k
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> what
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> ubotu rtfm is Read The "Fine" Manual
[02:04] <seth_k> oy, i'll fix that
[02:04] <ubotu> okay, tiglionabbit
[02:04] <seth_k> hehe
[02:04] <Wyzard> Could someone explain to me the rationale behind disabling root's password and allowing only sudo access?
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> coc is bad k
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> that's what my professor always says
[02:05] <Wyzard> (Not challenging it or saying it's wrong...  just wondering)
[02:05] <nalioths_dog> seth_k: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[02:05] <Discipulus> !sudo
[02:05] <ubotu> from memory, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:05] <lsuactiafner> Wyzard : to annoy you
[02:05] <Discipulus> Wyzard, what ubotu said
[02:05] <nalioths_dog> Wyzard: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:05] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[02:05] <lumberjack> hey how do i change my packages to multiverse and universe
[02:05] <lumberjack> i forgot
[02:05] <lumberjack> someone send me tha tlink
[02:05] <nalioths_dog> lumberjack: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[02:05] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:05] <lumberjack> thanks
[02:05] <Wyzard> nalioth: thanks
[02:05] <nalioths_dog> lumberjack: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:06] <Tsunamii> yay
[02:06] <Tsunamii> sound
[02:06] <seth_k> ubotu, coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[02:06] <ubotu> okay, seth_k
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> we need to make ubotu automatically !somethin so we dont need to do it
[02:06] <tiglionabbit> h'lo again Tsunamii.  Did you read that page?  What sort of programs do you use all the time in windows that you need equivalents for?
[02:07] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: if we did that, we'd be welcoming our new channelbot overlord robot masters
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> a word of advice.. dont chew vitamin c pills..
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> rofl nalioth
[02:07] <Tsunamii> i haven't read it yet
[02:07] <Tsunamii> i'm just glad my sound works in flash atm ;p
[02:07] <maxy_noob> Guys, any ideas as to why google.com stalls in my Firefox? All other sites work.
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> Tsunamii: it'll probably still lose audio sync on long videos that aren't scene-splitted, but yeah, works ok
[02:08] <maxy_noob> come to think of it, Merriam-Webster only half loads too
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> maxy_noob: have you got any extensions?
[02:09] <maxy_noob> huh?
[02:09] <maxy_noob> Oh, yes I do
[02:09] <maxy_noob> in FF
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> maxy_noob: did it ever work before you got those?
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> you may be blocking content or running a script
[02:09] <maxy_noob> they may have, yes. do you recommend uninstalling them?
[02:09] <Wyzard> nalioths_dog: hmm...  none of the reasons given there seem to provide much benefit for an experienced user who has root logins disabled in SSH and use of "su" restricted to members of group root
[02:10] <virgule> please advise: bbmail: Aborting: No spool filename specified. Make sure then environment valiable MAIL is set   -    whats that? can I set this variable for a pop3 account?
[02:10] <merriam> maxy_noob: try with a different profile, without extensions.
[02:10] <Wyzard> nalioths_dog: (I'm trying to decide whether I want to convert my Debian systems to use sudo like Ubuntu does, or my Ubuntu systems to use su like Debian does)
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> maxy_noob: if they're messing up google, then yes.  But look through them for something that could be causing it.  Is there an adblock filter on something that could show up on google?  Is there a greasemonkey script for google?
[02:10] <virgule> where? how? why? when?
[02:10] <nalioth> Wyzard: if you are experienced, you know how to bring root back
[02:10] <doctor_salvia> are there any engineers in here?
[02:10] <nalioth> Wyzard: sudo was set up for new users
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> Wyzard: happy medium, just say "sudo su"
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> it'll work
[02:11] <lucasac-unesp> OMG mako is never here
[02:11] <bnry> hi. is there a way to install linux in parallel with a windows system on 2 sata drives in raid0(stripped) mode with sil3112 controller, without destroying the data? thanks.
[02:11] <Wyzard> nalioth: Yes, I do, and I understand and agree with the default setting...  just trying to get a good sense of what's best for my own needs
[02:11] <doctor_salvia> anyone know what a MOS device is?
[02:11] <Wyzard> tiglionabbit: or "sudo -i"
[02:11] <merriam> maxy_noob:   firefox -P profile_name
[02:11] <maxy_noob> I uninstalled all the extensions but google still refuses to load
[02:11] <merriam> maxy_noob: and create that profile
[02:11] <virgule> !MOS
[02:11] <ubotu> virgule: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:12] <nalioth> Wyzard: only you can answer that. i've been using linux over 5 years and the sudo doesnt bother me (took a bit of gettin used to, tho)
[02:12] <maxy_noob> where do I run that command and create that profile, merriam ?
[02:12] <doctor_salvia> virgule:  u know what a MOS is?
[02:12] <bkv> could someone help please, i need to go to bed, basically, can i put the install cd on my xp partition and install from that or will i have to do the network install as planned?
[02:12] <jedix> hey
[02:12] <jedix> what's the x86_64 situation like here?
[02:13] <merriam> maxy_noob: Applications --> System tools --> Terminal
[02:13] <cafuego> bnry: Is the raid0 onfigured through the sii bios?
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> !sata
[02:13] <ubotu> sata is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingUbuntuOnaDell8400   hm
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> !3112
[02:13] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: Bugger all, i dunno
[02:13] <jedix> I'm currently running fc3 so that I can play quake3/doom3
[02:13] <merriam> maxy_noob: and try another browser, such as dillo
[02:13] <maxy_noob> sudo firefox -P profile_name?
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> !raid
[02:13] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:13] <bnry> cafuego: yes, the raid is made in the bios
[02:13] <cafuego> jedix: Ububntu x86_64 works fine, runs 32bit apps fine too.
[02:13] <Wyzard> nalioth: The only thing about it that bothers me is that if someone figures out my login password, they effectively have my root password too
[02:13] <virgule> doctor_salvia: sorry I dont.. lets go google
[02:13] <cafuego> bnry: Then no.
[02:13] <maxy_noob> create profile name?
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> i cant get the promise 3112 runnin correcrly
[02:13] <jedix> cafuego: thanks
[02:13] <bnry> cafuego: thank you
[02:14] <cafuego> bnry: I won't even start on why raid0 is abd (especialy on a sii controller)
[02:14] <lsuactiafner> jedix : i run native 64bit ubuntu and play q3a and doom no problems @ all
[02:14] <virgule> doctor_salvia: where did you got that?
[02:14] <doctor_salvia> virgule: can you help me out i think its a very rare chip its built to collect radiatio ni think and it has parts as a small as a micron it was givin to my father by a friend who worked for the government and designed shit
[02:14] <nalioth> Wyzard: password security is a never ending journey
[02:14] <bnry> cafuego: historical reasons...
[02:14] <jedix> sounds good, I'm pretty pissed off at yum/fc
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> hey, dillo is cool, neat
[02:14] <Wyzard> nalioth: Indeed...  anyway, thanks for your help
[02:15] <cafuego> bnry: Your best bet is probably to buy a new smallish HD for Linux, if you can't touch windows.
[02:15] <DonL> Dillo's very fast
[02:15] <maxy_noob> installed it, but can't findit
[02:15] <maxy_noob> dillo
[02:15] <cafuego> jedix: And AMD64's also run Ubuntu ia32 just fine.
[02:15] <DonL> applications, run application, type dillo
[02:16] <merriam> maxy_noob: It's in the obvious place.  Applications --> Internet
[02:16] <virgule> doctor_salvia: **maybe** I can help you out but I would be amazed.. Whats you wanna do with this thing?
[02:16] <jedix> I don't want to run ia32 though
[02:16] <maxy_noob> cool, thanks
[02:16] <maxy_noob> It's not in Internet actually.
[02:16] <maxy_noob> but when I ran, it ran
[02:16] <merriam> It is for me.
[02:16] <DonL> Mine didn't go in the list either
[02:16] <bnry> cafuego: thanks, i have to backup my data, but it's not too easy... about 200gb...
[02:16] <virgule> the only thing RPM& yum does better thabn apt-* is rpm -q yum provides...
[02:17] <maxy_noob> google.com isn't opening with dillo either
[02:17] <doctor_salvia> virgule: hell i dunno i just wanna know what it is, it gives output apout radioactive isotopes thats all i could find on  google i guess this is something i DEFINITLY should not have their being very secritive on my google results
[02:17] <merriam> maxy_noob: what are the symptoms?
[02:17] <nalioth> what is the command to enable journaling on an ext2 filesystem (iow, go from ext2 to ext3)?
[02:17] <virgule> oh..
[02:17] <bnry> cafuego: i will give up the dumb idea of soft raid
[02:18] <virgule> can I see what it look like? got a pic?
[02:18] <mag> nalioth: tune2fs -j /dev/hdx
[02:18] <maxy_noob> merriam, the only symptom I see is that the browser tries to load the page.
[02:18] <nalioth> mag: ty
[02:18] <maxy_noob> nothing appears for google.
[02:19] <merriam> maxy_noob: no error message?
[02:19] <cafuego> bnry: Well, soft raid is not dumb. The problem is that the bios raid option needs ptoprietary drivers. kernel mode soft raid would be fine.
[02:19] <maxy_noob> only the title stuff of merriam-webster online dictionary appears
[02:19] <DonL> Maybe it's busy. Try www.google.ca
[02:19] <maxy_noob> I'm waiting for an error message.
[02:19] <maxy_noob> It'll probably say something like timed out.
[02:19] <merriam> maxy_noob: run dillo on the terminal and watch the terminal output.
[02:20] <maxy_noob> how do I run it in the terminal: sudo run dillo?
[02:20] <virgule> how do I 'create' a .deb without installing it like checkinstall does?
[02:20] <doctor_salvia> virgule: hmm i cant get a picture i cant get my cam to work on linux
[02:20] <bionic> when making the kernel with make kpkg, where does the .deb file store? I cant find it in the current dir, and not in /usr/src/ .. anyone please?
[02:20] <nalioth> virgule: checkinstall has a build-only option
[02:20] <maxy_noob> same thing for google.ca, btw.
[02:21] <virgule> sooo many things are possible, yet not-so-obvious-when-you-dont-know-where-to-look ;)
[02:21] <nalioth> virgule: what are you compiling? you know apt can build ubuntu packages from source, right?
[02:21] <Discipulus> google.com works for me
[02:21] <Discipulus> *shrug*
[02:21] <bnry> cafuego: well, the idea is that both linux and windows work with it (in their way), just not the same, so i have to use one in virtual mode if i have to use it
[02:21] <virgule> yeah.. I want the latest fluxbox (0.9.13
[02:22] <nalioth> virgule: checkinstall --help
[02:22] <virgule> im already on it :)
[02:23] <merriam> maxy_noob: That's how to run it and what it should say.
[02:23] <virgule> damn --help are not so helpfull
[02:23] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[02:24] <maxy_noob> merriam, I pm'd you
[02:24] <bnry> cafuego: thanks again
[02:25] <nalioth> i'll be damned
[02:25] <zenlunatic> how secure is ubuntu default install?
[02:25] <nalioth> zenlunatic: pretty solid
[02:25] <virgule> I think It beat windows..
[02:25] <nalioth> zenlunatic: no listening ports
[02:26] <zenlunatic> i see
[02:26] <crimsun> zenlunatic: no daemons listen on external interfaces.
[02:26] <zenlunatic> cool because im growing afraid of some folks in on server/channel
[02:26] <DonL> Funny. I just went through trying different browsers this past weekend. Went to a website that said "We don't do Firefox", so I downloaded Konqueror, and it said "We don't do Apple" lol
[02:27] <virgule> www.grc.com will enlighten you
[02:27] <zenlunatic> Doenergonzo: I don't do the site :)
[02:27] <Razor-X> as a helper here... how would you people rate me?
[02:27] <nalioth> Razor-X: you suck hard
[02:27] <Razor-X> nalioth: ;)
[02:27] <zenlunatic> Razor-X: i don't know you
[02:27] <maxy_noob> merriam, what's the run command again
[02:27] <crimsun> virgule: or instill a false sense of alarm/security
[02:27] <nameless1> i just made myself a iso image of a bin using bchunk and i am tryin to mount it and im entering iso9660 as the filesystem and its not working, anyone know why? it says its the wrong file system, but it isnt
[02:27] <Razor-X> that lasted a long time ;)
[02:28] <Razor-X> the amount of pepole i've helped, and none of them return ;)
[02:28] <nalioth> Razor-X: you beat a dyson!
[02:28] <virgule> crimson: ?!?
[02:28] <DonL> I'm sure they appreciate it, Razor-X . I know I do
[02:28] <virgule> im confused
[02:28] <nalioth> Razor-X: you bring a dyson to crying shame
[02:28] <Razor-X> nalioth: XD
[02:28] <crimsun> nameless1: you need to sudo modprobe loop, and mount -o loop foo.iso /somemountpoint
[02:28] <nalioth> Razor-X: is your ego stroked yet?
[02:29] <Razor-X> I was just trying to gather testimonials
[02:29] <merriam> maxy_noob:  dillo google.com
[02:29] <Kyral> Not us, I assume
[02:29] <Kyral> hmm, how would I rebuild my entire system from scratch?
[02:29] <nameless1> thanks crim
[02:29] <crimsun> nameless1: np
[02:29] <Razor-X> dillo pwnz0rz!
[02:29] <virgule> apt-build world?
[02:29] <nalioth> virgule: thats crazy
[02:30] <virgule> yes ;)
[02:30] <DonL> Kyral, I'd just reinstall and let it re-format, if that's what you want to do
[02:30] <virgule> it take 2 week to build GNOME
[02:30] <virgule> ..om my box at the least
[02:30] <maxy_noob> I pm'd merriam
[02:30] <Kyral> Yea, well, mine compiled KDE and all its depends in about 1 day
[02:31] <Kyral> back when I used Gentoo
[02:31] <Kyral> so that also meant X :P
[02:31] <Amaranth> well, this is an improvement
[02:32] <Amaranth> i'm still on windows, but it's windows XP and it's actually my computer
[02:32] <virgule> CTCP Version me you'll know why its that long
[02:32] <DonL> I've heard Gentoo takes lots of time
[02:32] <Amaranth> now to find linux drivers for my modem
[02:32] <nalioth> Amaranth: you hitchhiking toward home?
[02:32] <Amaranth> nalioth: My sister would kill me.
[02:32] <Amaranth> nalioth: I'm here for her wedding.
[02:32] <nalioth> Amaranth: heh
[02:32] <Kyral> Gentoo is a whore
[02:32] <Kyral> Seriously
[02:32] <virgule> dont touch that
[02:33] <nameless1> crimsun: nameless1@ubuntu:/var/iso$ sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso -t iso9660 /media/iso/
[02:33] <nameless1> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop2,
[02:33] <nameless1>        missing codepage or other error
[02:33] <nameless1>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[02:33] <nameless1>        dmesg | tail  or so
[02:33] <nameless1> nameless1@ubuntu:/var/iso$ sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso -t iso9660 /media/iso/
[02:33] <Kyral> to get where you get with a base Ubuntu Install, it would take you at LEAST 5 days
[02:33] <nameless1> crimsun: its not working
[02:33] <crimsun> nameless1: drop the -t. You didn't read my instructions carefully.
[02:33] <crimsun> nameless1: note how I made no mention of -t iso9660
[02:33] <Aragorn_guardian> hi all
[02:33] <virgule> greeting
[02:33] <Aragorn_guardian> ubuntu is really amazing...
[02:34] <Aragorn_guardian> nice job
[02:34] <nameless1> crimsun: nameless1@ubuntu:/var/iso$ sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso /media/iso/ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[02:34] <nameless1> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[02:34] <DonL> Aragorn_guardian, I agree.
[02:34] <Aragorn_guardian> 8)
[02:34] <virgule> Aragorn_guardian: I hear that.. Im with Ubuntu after several years on YDL and Im getting it..
[02:34] <crimsun> nameless1: umount any others, cwd, and mount the iso again
[02:34] <Aragorn_guardian> where i can access my services...in init.d?
[02:35] <nalioth> virgule: i feel for ya, it only took me 2 months of ydl
[02:35] <virgule> I've been hesitant to install ubuntu because of all those fanboys back then..
[02:35] <tiglionabbit> fanboys?  where?
[02:35] <virgule> lol
[02:35] <tiglionabbit> I thought most people didn't know about ubuntu
[02:35] <Kyral> Like ME!
[02:36] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/var/iso # sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso /media/maya/
[02:36] <nameless1> ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[02:36] <nameless1> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[02:36] <nameless1> i tried with a new folder to mount it in and no workies!
[02:36] <Kyral> so how would I build everything from scratch again (might do this for when Breezy upgrades)
[02:36] <squirellmaster> hell everyone!
[02:37] <squirellmaster> *hello :S
[02:37] <crimsun> nameless1: did you modprobe loop ?
[02:37] <squirellmaster> latop keyboard...
[02:37] <Wyzard> Kyral: You don't need to recompile things from scratch for a dist-upgrade
[02:37] <squirellmaster> *laptop?!
[02:37] <nameless1> yeah it didnt say anything tho no errors and no confirmation
[02:37] <nameless1> should it of said something?
[02:37] <Kyral> Wyzard, what if I wanna compile the Upgrades from scratch?
[02:38] <crimsun> nameless1: no, it not saying anything is a good sign.
[02:38] <nalioth> Kyral: this is linux, you can do waht you like
[02:38] <Kyral> I know
[02:38] <Kyral> I wanna know the command :P
[02:38] <Wyzard> Kyral: Then you can use "apt-get source" and do so...  but that doesn't really have anything to do with upgrading
[02:38] <Kyral> so something like apt-get source dist-upgrade?
[02:38] <Wyzard> Kyral: Go to www.debian.org and read the New Maintainer's Guide (unless Ubuntu has a similar but Ubuntu-specific document...  I'm mostly a Debian user so I don't know)
[02:39] <Wyzard> Kyral: No, "apt-get source <packagename>" gets you the source package that the binary package (.deb) is built from
[02:39] <tonk> hello
[02:39] <bddebian> Heya nalioth ..  Are you timing me? ;-P
[02:39] <bddebian> Hello tonk / sier
[02:39] <Wyzard> Kyral: You can customize things and then build the binary package using debuild or something similar
[02:39] <nameless1> crimsun: i did a chmod of the iso and now i get this new error
[02:39] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/media/maya # sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso /media/maya/
[02:39] <nameless1> mount: could not find any free loop device
[02:39] <nalioth> bddebian: are you running a race?
[02:39] <bddebian> nalioth: :-)
[02:39] <ubuntu_> hi from france
[02:40] <bddebian> Hello ubuntu_
[02:40] <seth_k> salut
[02:40] <ubuntu_> salut aussi :)
[02:40] <Wyzard> Kyral: There are some tools meant to help automate the process if you do it frequently, but I can' think of their names offhand
[02:40] <crimsun> nameless1: lsof /dev/loop*
[02:40] <no_gatez_fan> like to start my ubuntu box  as ftp server on boot up...any ideas?
[02:40] <Wyzard> no_gatez_fan: apt-get install proftpd
[02:40] <harold> Hello everyone, how are you all today?
[02:40] <Wyzard> no_gatez_fan: or some other FTP server package
[02:40] <bddebian> Hello harold
[02:40] <no_gatez_fan> kewl ty
[02:40] <harold> Hey there bddebian
[02:40] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/media/maya # lsof /dev/loop*
[02:40] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/media/maya # sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso /media/maya/
[02:40] <nameless1> mount: could not find any free loop device
[02:40] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/media/maya #
[02:41] <nalioth> harold: the army man
[02:41] <harold> Anyone know what the repository source for unstable in Warty would be?
[02:41] <harold> Hello nalioth
[02:41] <Wyzard> Kyral: Recompiling packages isn't really related to upgrading though...  you compile some version of the package, and it doesn't matter whether or not you already have that version installed
[02:41] <harold> LOL
[02:41] <flugh> good evening #ubuntu
[02:41] <harold> That's a biker cap
[02:41] <bddebian> Hello flugh
[02:41] <crimsun> nameless1: modprobe -r loop
[02:41] <Aragorn_guardian> sudo is nice, but to avoid all time of it, is good do a sudo bash...this open a root terminal 8)
[02:42] <Camo>  yo neosnightmare!
[02:42] <neosnightmare> hey camo
[02:42] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/media/maya # modprobe -r loop
[02:42] <nameless1> FATAL: Module loop is in use.
[02:42] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/media/maya #
[02:42] <bddebian> harold: Warty != unstable.  If you truly want unstable you would have to upgrade to Breezy
[02:42] <flugh> i  have to say, my ubuntu-driven desktop is looking spiffy today. a nice change after staring at Access in XP all day ;-)
[02:42] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: "sudo -i" is a more direct way to do that, and it respects root's configured login shell
[02:42] <Aragorn_guardian> nice...
[02:42] <soulfly> hi. I just compiled 2.6.12 and my mouse stopped working in xorg. is there a patch in hoary on the kernel to fix USB mouses? Im using the ExplorerPS protocol. /dev/input/mice is there and everything seems ok on the kernel side. any ideas?
[02:43] <harold> bddebian: I'm trying to get my wifi pcmcia card recognized, and i want to install an unstable package.
[02:43] <bddebian> harold: Why are you not running Hoary?
[02:43] <nalioth> harold: yes, why ARENT you running hoary?
[02:44] <crimsun> nameless1: just reboot and reinsert
[02:44] <harold> bddebian: To make a long story short, I only have 64MB RAM and thought Warty would be more forgiving.
[02:44] <nalioth> harold: not so
[02:44] <nameless1> crimsun: will do, brb
[02:44] <bddebian> harold: Shouldnt be a problem
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> harold: hoary is the same but better
[02:44] <ccc> can i restart the desktop without restarting X? my desktop freezes and goes blank sometimes. nautilus won't work, everything else works fine though.
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> there's no significant difference in terms of what they do
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> hoary just does it better
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> ccc: you can restart nautilus
[02:44] <harold> Everyone: Without needing more RAM?
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> ccc: killall -9 nautilus will it
[02:45] <nalioth> harold: yes
[02:45] <bddebian> harold: yes
[02:45] <Wyzard> harold: 64MB isn't much space to run GNOME in no matter what distro you use, but it shouldn't be any worse in hoary than warty
[02:45] <ccc> HrdwrBoB: ah, worked -- thanks!
[02:45] <harold> Here's my strategy, everyone.  My main objective is to get the wifi pcmcia card going on this system.  I figure if i can get it going on Warty, I'll then try Hoary.
[02:45] <soulfly> i can't see any errors in xorg log eihter, but the mouse pointer doesn't move (it did in 2.6.11 with hoary patches)
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> run blackbox gnome is slow
[02:46] <neosnightmare> can someone tell me how to activate the mouse navigational buttons? i can use everything else on it but those
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> or fluxbox
[02:46] <bddebian> harold: What kind of card is it?
[02:46] <Wyzard> harold: What kind of card is it?  (Or, do you know what driver it needs?)
[02:46] <nalioth> harold: it'd probably be easier to try in hoary
[02:46] <Aragorn_guardian> i need compile somethings in ubuntu...what i need? what packages? only gcc, for c only...
[02:47] <harold> It's a D-link DWL-G630, and it's supposed to work in Linux.
[02:47] <harold> Thought it's not officially supported by D-Link.
[02:47] <harold> Though it's not, that is.
[02:47] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: "apt-get install build-essential" is a good place to start, though it's not strictly the minimum set of packages you need to compile C programs
[02:47] <bddebian> harold: Do you know what chipset?
[02:47] <harold> bddebian: Atheros
[02:48] <harold> Rev. C for the DWL-G630
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> you'll likely also been bison and flex
[02:48] <Aragorn_guardian> nice...where i get info of packages in this way...how i list those packages?
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> need
[02:48] <bddebian> harold: Have you looked at dmesg?  Does it recognize the card?
[02:48] <bddebian> Aragorn_guardian: You want a list of what is installed or what?
[02:49] <Aragorn_guardian> build-essential
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> Aragorn_guardian: you could run synaptic, and do all of this through synaptic
[02:49] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: apt will list the packages it's going to install before it proceeds...  or you can use synaptic, and it'll tell you about dependencies when you mark the package for installation
[02:49] <Aragorn_guardian> hum...nice
[02:49] <harold> bddebian; I'm not certain how to read that printout, actually.
[02:49] <Aragorn_guardian> nice...gonna try...
[02:49] <nalioth> Aragorn_guardian: open a terminal and type "apt-cache showpkg build-essential"
[02:49] <bddebian> harold: Go to a terminal and do:  "dmesg |grep eth"
[02:50] <Aragorn_guardian> nalioth: 8)
[02:50] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: "build-essential" pulls in the standard set of packages used for building Debian-format (i.e. Ubuntu) packages...  so there are some tools in there that you don't need for compiling ordinary C programs, but they're small and harmless, and "build-essential" is easy to remember
[02:51] <david> does anyone know how can i change which mouse button opens each menu in E16? (ive already asked in #e)
[02:51] <Aragorn_guardian> understand...a shortcut...
[02:51] <tiglionabbit> !build-essential
[02:51] <ubotu> I guess build-essential is http://ubuntuguide.org/#build-essential
[02:51] <Aragorn_guardian> gonna try...
[02:51] <harold> bddebian: It prints (among other things) "eth0: BMAC at 00:05:02:13:76:aa
[02:51] <tiglionabbit> ubotu forget build-essential
[02:51] <ubotu> i forgot build-essential, tiglionabbit
[02:51] <tiglionabbit> !show build-essential
[02:51] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I give up, what is it?
[02:52] <bddebian> harold: Do you have another NIC or just the wireless?
[02:52] <harold> bddebian: Also: etho0: no IPv6 routers present
[02:52] <harold> Just the pc card
[02:52] <Am|NickTaken> *sigh*
[02:52] <Aragorn_guardian> nice place this ubuntuguide....
[02:52] <Kyral> Someone remind me to do the Breezy upgrade in October overnight, its gonna be one helluva prelink
[02:52] <tiglionabbit> Aragorn_guardian: don't read that.  Read the wiki
[02:52] <tiglionabbit> !ubuntuguide
[02:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation.  Please search the wiki instead, http://wiki.ubuntu.com. Reasons not to advise people to use the guide are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[02:52] <bddebian> harold: It looks like it is picking up the card then.  What do you get if you do:  "sudo ifconfig" ?
[02:52] <Aragorn_guardian> i can work with packages from debians repository?
[02:52] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: give the
[02:52] <nalioth> !crap a break
[02:52] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, nalioth
[02:53] <Aragorn_guardian> i said, if i could not found something in ubuntu ones...
[02:53] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: No, Ubuntu uses the same package manager as Debian, but the packages themselves are not necessarily compatible
[02:53] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: !info build-esential
[02:53] <Aragorn_guardian> ok
[02:53] <harold> bddebian: Which part of the printout am I looking for?
[02:53] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: If you include universe and multiverse in your sources, you have access to Ubuntu versions of many of the packages available in Debian
[02:53] <nalioth> Wyzard: they are very not necessarily compatible
[02:53] <bddebian> harold: eth0
[02:53] <Razor-X> should I just link to the Creative Commons license, or should I actually keep a verbatim copy in the book?
[02:53] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[02:53] <ubotu> from memory, sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:54] <nalioth> Razor-X: on the 2d page
[02:54] <harold> bddebian: Should I paste this puppy somewhere?
[02:54] <harold> bddebian: Oops, sorry, i can't!
[02:54] <Wyzard> nalioth: Well, I don't want to unilaterally say "not compatible" because some probably are, but I don't want him to get the idea that he should go installing packages from Debian without knowing what he's doing  :-)
[02:54] <harold> I'm IRCing from a Mac
[02:55] <harold> Forgot for a moment there...
[02:55] <Razor-X> nalioth: 2d page?
[02:55] <nalioth> Wyzard: installing debian packages will quickly break us
[02:55] <nalioth> Razor-X: channel check
[02:55] <Aragorn_guardian> Wyzard: i see, in synaptic...
[02:55] <harold> bddebian:  Link encap;Ethernet HWaddr 00:05:02:13:76:AA
[02:55] <Aragorn_guardian> there are really a lot of them...
[02:55] <bddebian> harold: Does it have an IP address?
[02:56] <andrewski> quick question: should my stepdad (using knoppix) be able to copy files from ntfs to /dev/sda1 (vfat)?
[02:56] <eternale1> hmm i believe i added thsese extra apt-get package links using synaptic package manager but it still won't apt-get installer mplayer-386
[02:56] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: Yep...  and I agree with nalioth's point:  though I said "not necessarily compatible", you really should never install Debian packages in Ubuntu
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> andrewski: yes
[02:56] <harold> bddebian: yes, inet addr <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:56] <Aragorn_guardian> someone is using apache/php?
[02:56] <andrewski> tiglionabbit: any idea why that wouldn't work?
[02:56] <Amaranth> andrewski: Yes.
[02:56] <nameless1> crimsun: im back and still didnt work
[02:56] <nalioth> Wyzard: i get packages 1 from apt, 2 source built from apt, 3d, hand-compiled (although i run PPC)
[02:56] <nameless1> nameless1@ubuntu:~$ modprobe -r loop
[02:56] <nameless1> nameless1@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso /media/maya/
[02:56] <nameless1> Password:
[02:56] <nameless1> ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[02:56] <nameless1> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[02:56] <harold> bddebian; /bcastl <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:56] <Aragorn_guardian> i dont understand correct... 8)... apache2 is the recomended? is that?
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> andrewski: dunno, but it should only work in that direction
[02:56] <andrewski> tiglionabbit: right.
[02:56] <bddebian> harold: Then you should be set.  Are you having a problem?
[02:56] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: (The only exception would be if you're an experienced user, know exactly what you're doing, and are prepared to handle breakage in case it doesn't work)
[02:57] <tiglionabbit> dinner time, talk to you guys later
[02:57] <crimsun> nameless1: sounds like an actual iso problem
[02:57] <Aragorn_guardian> Wyzard: i will remember....
[02:57] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: Both apache1 and apache2 are actively maintained
[02:57] <crimsun> nameless1: i.e., bchunk messing up
[02:57] <nameless1> crimsun: i made the iso with this other program so i assumed it wasnt screwed up
[02:57] <Aragorn_guardian> Wyzard: ehehehe...not my case...i am new in debian world...
[02:57] <stetyR> hello
[02:57] <nameless1> crimsun: ill go search thru my dvd collection for another iso to test
[02:57] <bddebian> Hello stetyR
[02:57] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: apache1 is maintained mostly because there are still a lot of modules for it which haven't yet been ported to use apache2...  but unless you need some feature specific to apache1, you should probably use apache2
[02:58] <Aragorn_guardian> Wyzard: thanks!
[02:58] <Aragorn_guardian> things really seems very easy...
[02:58] <nameless1> crimsun: do u know another program like bchunk that i could try?
[02:58] <Aragorn_guardian> never compile again...eheheheh
[02:58] <nalioth> Aragorn_guardian: they are
[02:58] <harold> bddebian: Yes, I don't know how to use it, and so I've been trying to intall madwifi, but I believe I've failed.  Since I'm on an Apple PowerBook G3 (OldWorld), I had to follow some instructions to compile from source, but there were some errors somewhere in the middle of doing the install.
[02:58] <epohs> is it possible to mount ext3 and assign a different user to the target mountpoint than the source directory?
[02:59] <Wyzard> hehe
[02:59] <harold> bddebian: So I'm not certain what to do next.
[02:59] <harold> bddebian: So this is what I'm doing:
[02:59] <harold> bddebian: Trying to install linux=wlan-ng
[03:00] <bddebian> harold: For what reason?
[03:00] <harold> bddebian: Ooops; linux-wlan-ng
[03:00] <harold> bddebian: I'd read on the Ubuntu forums that someone with a PowerPC (Mac) had some success with my pcmcia card and using that package.
[03:00] <Aragorn_guardian> nalioth: and very well organized...
[03:01] <bddebian> harold: What doesn't work?  Have you tried to ping anything?
[03:01] <DonL> Wyzard, aren't they using a version of apt with FC4?
[03:01] <harold> bddebian: Yet I can't apt-get install that package; apparently it's in unstable repository.
[03:01] <Aragorn_guardian> nalioth: where can i control services in init.d ?
[03:01] <Wyzard> harold: I think madwifi is the preferred driver for Atheros chips...  I've also had good success with ndiswrapper on my prism54 and some Broadcom cards
[03:01] <harold> bddebian: I tried earlier, but not since attempting the compile of madwifi.
[03:01] <Aragorn_guardian> not famiuliar in debian...
[03:01] <Wyzard> DonL: It's available, but not the default...  they have a tool called "yum" which is similar, though
[03:02] <nalioth> Aragorn_guardian: i have no idea, either.
[03:02] <harold> Wizard: I had trouble installing from source; ran into some trouble while compiling.
[03:02] <DonL> Ah yes. I did play with that a while back
[03:02] <bddebian> harold: Do you have anything in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[03:02] <harold> bddebian: I'll look..
[03:02] <Wyzard> DonL: main difference I can see is that instead of having a separate "update" step, it downloads updated package headers every time you use it (but the headers are small, so it doesn't take long)
[03:02] <harold> bddebian: Two nameservers
[03:02] <harold> bddebian: (IP numbers)
[03:03] <DonL> Yum is from Yellow Dog I seem to remember
[03:03] <Wyzard> ah
[03:03] <bddebian> harold: So what happens when you run apt-get?
[03:03] <Wyzard> That makes sense...   After years of using them I'm glad to now use apt
[03:04] <harold> bddebian: "Couldn't find package linux-wlan-ng"
[03:04] <nalioth> DonL: i found that even using yum(based on apt-get) on YDL, rpms STILL sucked
[03:04] <bddebian> harold: Does apt-get update succeed?
[03:05] <Wyzard> nalioth: I read some of their developer docs today, about creating RPMs, and from what I can see of the metadata, I think the dpkg system is more robust...  but I still think I should learn RPM better
[03:05] <nalioth> Wyzard: knowledge is power
[03:05] <DonL> There used to be big problems with dependencies. Is that still an issue, nalioth ?
[03:05] <harold> bddebian: In general, yes.
[03:05] <nalioth> DonL: in ubuntu or redhat?
[03:05] <DonL> with rpm's
[03:05] <harold> bddebian: I have no problem updating other packages, if that's what you mean.
[03:05] <Wyzard> DonL: They used to have "dependency hell" because there was no tool like apt/yum to automatically download dependencies
[03:05] <nalioth> DonL: haven't you heard the term "red hat hell"?
[03:06] <Wyzard> That's resolved now, but the RPM format doesn't appear to have versioned Conflicts, which seems like a big shortcoming to me
[03:06] <nalioth> Wyzard: yum hasnt brought much relief from 'dependency hell'
[03:06] <DonL> Yes, I think I have
[03:06] <bddebian> harold: Then I am confused.  It looks like you have a working network connection so I still don't understand what you are trying to do?
[03:07] <harold> bddebian: Well, let me ask you this - if I wish to ping, what command should I use?  ("ping <what>?")
[03:07] <Wyzard> nalioth: It seems OK to me...  downloads and installs deps as needed...  though I just installed the system yesterday so I don't have much experience with it yet
[03:07] <DonL> When I used Mandrake, I tried urpmi, but it wasn't much better
[03:07] <harold> bddebian: Just to test the ping
[03:07] <tiglionabbit> bddebian: ping google.com
[03:07] <bddebian> harold: "ping <ip address>" or "ping <hostname>"
[03:07] <tiglionabbit> oops, I meant for harold
[03:07] <tiglionabbit> harold: ping google.co
[03:07] <tiglionabbit> m
[03:07] <harold> bddebian: Won't that use my DSL connection, though
[03:07] <harold> ?
[03:08] <bddebian> harold: That is why I asked if you had another network connection besides the wireless
[03:08] <harold> bddebian: Sorry, I thought you meant a router.  Doh!
[03:08] <harold> bddebian: Wireless routher, that is!
[03:09] <merriam> maxy_noob: tried it with Window?
[03:09] <nalioth> Wyzard: this is very very much better than rpms
[03:09] <harold> bddebian: My apologies
[03:09] <merriam> Windows
[03:09] <maxy_noob> merriam, in firefox in windows it defaults to google.ca; when I google.com in IE it stalls just like it did in firefox in ubuntu
[03:09] <bddebian> harold: So you have a DSL connection plus the wireless adapter?
[03:09] <DonL> maxy_noob, that's strange
[03:10] <harold> bddebian: Currenlty.  The only reason I have it connected to the DSL is because I'm at home now; I want to use this outside.
[03:10] <tiglionabbit> maxy_noob: is your ISP canadian?
[03:10] <maxy_noob> It (google.ca) works perfectly in firefox (in ubuntu) now
[03:10] <maxy_noob> Yes.
[03:10] <bddebian> harold: OK, what do you get if you type: "iwconfig" ?
[03:10] <merriam> maxy_noob: then it may fail intermittently.
[03:10] <tiglionabbit> maybe they're redirecting you to that country code
[03:10] <harold> bddebian: I have it connected to DSL temporarily to get configured/setup, you know?
[03:10] <maxy_noob> why would it do that?
[03:10] <harold> bddebian: One moment...
[03:10] <nalioth> maxy_noob: thought we were going with maxy_professor or something?
[03:10] <maxy_noob> what do you mean?
[03:11] <nalioth> maxy_noob: we are all n00bs
[03:11] <harold> bddebbian: For lo: no wireless extensions (same result also for eth0 and sit0)
[03:11] <maxy_noob> oh, hehehe
[03:11] <maxy_noob> well, it's relative really.
[03:11] <Kyral> wtf is sit0 anyway?
[03:11] <maxy_noob> some of you guys are leagues ahead of many of us.
[03:11] <merriam> nalioth: most.  I've been using Linux since 93.
[03:11] <poningru> guys where do I place a font file?
[03:12] <poningru> its a .ttf
[03:12] <DonL> maxy_noob, I just tried google.com and it redirected me to .ca
[03:12] <harold> bddebian: Thanks for helping me, by the way.
[03:12] <bddebian> harold: Well apparently I am not helping any.. :-)
[03:12] <DonL> Maybe there's no such address as google.com
[03:12] <maxy_noob> DonL, ya, that's what merriam has helped me achieve. Initially it just stalled.
[03:13] <harold> bddebian: I've looked into ndiswrapper, and madwifi, and now I'm trying this package linux-wlan-ng
[03:13] <harold> bddebian: Not true!    It forwards to the one it wants you to use.
[03:13] <maxy_noob> me too
[03:13] <maxy_noob> thanks
[03:13] <cwillu> I can't install... I get kernel panics\
[03:13] <DonL> merriam, Really? Didn't know that
[03:14] <cwillu> right aftet 'uncompressing linux'
[03:14] <merriam> DonL: that's why it helps to use dillo and watch the console output.
[03:14] <maxy_noob> merriam, what exactly did we do to get firefox to default to google.ca?
[03:14] <bddebian> cwillu: Are you installing Hoary?
[03:14] <cwillu> yse
[03:14] <bddebian> cwillu: What is the panic on?
[03:14] <maxy_noob> it wasn't doing it before
[03:14] <nalioth> merriam: i've been using it a long time and i learn something in this channel every day
[03:14] <DonL> I just tried dillo, and although I like the speed, it doesn't look good on my system
[03:14] <cwillu> I'm almost certain it's not an ubuntu problem, but I'd appreciate some help figuring out which piece of hardware might be causing it
[03:14] <cwillu> \one sec
[03:14] <goldfish> DonL: tried opera?
[03:15] <harold> bddebian: Not certain.  I'm seeing "pcmcia_core 76788 2 ds, yenta_socket"
[03:15] <cwillu> not syncing - attempted to kill the idle task
[03:15] <merriam> maxy_noob: it tries to do that anyway.  Some of the addresses aren't reachable from where you are on the net.  You added some alternatives that work.
[03:15] <Tsunamii> how do you play divx encoded .avi files?
[03:15] <biovore> checking latency to a box..  need some reports on latincy  <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:15] <cwillu> although I've gotten it to say init task as well
[03:15] <nalioth> DonL: it doestn look good on any system
[03:15] <DonL> goldfish, I don't really like the ad banner, and any time I tried it before, I found it took up too much screen real estate
[03:15] <Kyral> Tsunamii, sudo apt-get install w32codec