[00:05] <Unit193> Nothing unexpected on the link checker.
[00:13] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: HP Team Up With System76 for New Linux Laptop @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/05/hp-dev-one-laptop-pop-os (by Joey Sneddon)
[00:13] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 22.10 Makes PipeWire Default @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/05/ubuntu-22-10-makes-pipewire-default (by Joey Sneddon)
[00:13] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Linux Kernel 5.18 Released, This is What’s New @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/05/new-linux-5-18-kernel-features (by Joey Sneddon)
[00:17] <Bashing-om> Unit193: Thankee sir for the checking :D
[01:05]  * guiverc checks "HiFive Unmatched board" yet again... I really dislike that upper-case "U" in unmatched, but it belongs there
[01:08] <guiverc> Bashing-om, s/Messa's/Mesa's   (blogo)
[01:09] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good that you noticed - but if that is the way the author put it -- well we must follow // fixing Messa .
[01:09] <guiverc> I did a search for "Messa" in the article and found nothing before I said ^
[01:12] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Messa fixed - good spot ! next ! :D
[01:13]  * guiverc still reading, but at meeting reports now so usually nothing from here on anyway
[01:15] <guiverc> upcoming meetings & events 'feels light' ; looking
[01:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah meetings and events - real light - Fridge calendar had nothing listed.
[01:16] <guiverc> nah light is normal
[01:17] <guiverc> I see "Developer Membership Board Meeting" May 30, "Ubuntu Technical Board Meeting" May 31, .... but I do have greater access than 'public'
[01:18] <guiverc> heh even "Ubuntu Membership Board Meeting" you'll now about shows 2 June
[01:18] <guiverc> OR do you only list the current week as that IS empty
[01:20] <guiverc> my read thru is complete; the "messa" was all I saw, looks good Bashing-om
[01:21] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ^ should be up coming week - Not too concerned about the Membership board as we have no meeting scheduled.
[01:21] <Bashing-om> guiverc: saving what is then :D
[01:21] <guiverc> :)
[13:41] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Install ROS 2 Humble in Ubuntu 20.04 or 18.04 using LXD containers @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/install-ros-2-humble-in-ubuntu-20-04-or-18-04-using-lxd-containers
[15:25] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Productive Summer Planned for Pitivi Video Editor @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/05/pitivi-video-editor-gtk4-port-gsoc (by Joey Sneddon)
[19:07] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - Time to push 20:00 UTC.
[19:13] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::UbuntuOnAir:: Ubuntu Desktop Team Indaba - May 27, 2022 @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHFXB6VSS0w (by Ubuntu OnAir)
[20:00] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - doing the Forum post next.
[20:17] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - doing the Re-directs next.
[20:38] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs completed - Pending is release to the Social Medias - and all the cleanups :P
[20:51] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Canonical at HPE Discover 2022 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-at-hpe-discover-2022
[22:28] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/05/23/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-736/
[22:30] <guiverc> tweeted UWN 736 & posted to telegram
[22:44] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 736 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/05/23/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-736/
[22:55] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check checks all good.
[22:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: OK now to do the wipe operation ?
[22:56] <guiverc> yep... wipe away
[22:56] <Bashing-om> will ^ .
[23:07] <guiverc> post 736 to fb too
[23:23] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue737 started :D
[23:24] <Bashing-om> guiverc: \o/ for FB - better you than me (I still comtinue to fight not too).


[00:34] <InHisName> hi 2 u 2
[00:41] <jthan> Anyone have relatives in Colorado or anything?
[00:42] <jthan> Trying to get a taste for the place.  I'm going to visit pending my acceptance at the University of Colorado.
[00:51] <teddy-dbear> jthan: the sooner your out of here the safer my cookies will be :-D
[00:51] <EvilResistance> .
[00:52]  * EvilResistance hides the cookies in an underground bunker surrounded by force fields, energy barriers, and phaser defense systems
[00:52] <jthan> Doubtful.
[00:52] <EvilResistance> teddy-dbear:  there, you wont have to worry about anyone getting your cookies
[00:52] <teddy-dbear> including me :P
[00:53] <EvilResistance> indeed
[00:53] <EvilResistance> it'll protect the cookies from everyone
[00:53] <EvilResistance> even i dont have access
[00:54] <teddy-dbear> I'll take my chances
[00:57] <EvilResistance> oh well.  i guess i'll have to use the bunker as a protected arsenal against the anarchists...
[00:57]  * EvilResistance prepares the bunker for this.
[00:58] <teddy-dbear> and mutant turkeys
[00:58] <EvilResistance> indeed.
[01:02] <InHisName> teddy-dbear mutates cookies or turkeys ?
[01:06] <teddy-dbear> just dumb who ask dumb questions
[01:08] <InHisName> so that's what the "d" stand for:  dumb
[01:26] <MutantTurkey> ping pong
[01:27] <EvilResistance> PEW PEW *BOOM* *BOOM*
[01:27] <EvilResistance> ^ laser cannons, huge laser bolts :P
[01:28] <MutantTurkey> oh ma
[01:28] <EvilResistance> :P
[01:28] <EvilResistance> sup
[01:33] <MutantTurkey> working on school stuff
[01:33] <MutantTurkey> midterms this week
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> one take home test - 3 hours long. one 6 page paper about a topic we haven't yet reached in history class. a microeconomics test thursday and a history of vietnam test thursday as well
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> and a gig friday
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> with a new guitar player and drummer who still need to learn the parts.
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> and school.
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> fkkk
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> fk fk fk fk
[01:36] <EvilResistance> what now
[01:37] <MutantTurkey> so much school work and I am gigging on friday ta some place in levittown and its a wreck
[01:37] <MutantTurkey> fk
[01:37] <MutantTurkey> :[
[06:11] <InHisName> any irc experts listening:  in pigin, when I had /join'ed #xyz and forgot what after rebooting.  Is there a way to find out what I used to belong to last time ?
[06:13] <InHisName> I have 7 rooms that I autojoin and 2 more that I /join'd recently  I cannot remember the last one.
[06:20] <EvilResistance> InHisName, not with Pidgin
[06:20] <EvilResistance> maybe if you had logs
[06:21] <EvilResistance> but idk if you get that with their irc plugin
[06:21] <EvilResistance> btw, dont use Pidgin for IRC
[06:50] <andrew> Check your log files?
[10:51] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:53] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:54] <JonathanD> Hi rmg51
[10:58] <rmg51> o/
[13:39] <InHisName> I am logging somewhere for pigin.  When I restart, it pulls up last log into window.
[13:39] <InHisName> Oh, yes!  Good morning folks!
[14:19] <ChinnoDog> morning
[14:22]  * ChinnoDog noms some sourdough toast
[14:22] <jedijf> cream of wheat here
[14:25] <ChinnoDog> That was never my thing
[14:26] <JonathanD> chicken parm here.
[14:26] <ChinnoDog> I ate Farina for a little while but it was hard to wash off the dishes.
[14:27] <ChinnoDog> and some people can't be convinced it is easier to use disposable bowls, even when numbers are provided. Kind of like global warming.
[14:27] <ChinnoDog> hi MutantTurkey
[14:28] <MutantTurkey> hey there ChinnoDog
[14:28] <MutantTurkey> global warming does not exist.
[14:28] <MutantTurkey> well not in the way proported by science.
[14:29] <ChinnoDog> s/science/some scientists/
[14:36] <ChinnoDog> Lets blame lamalex for global warming
[14:37] <JonathanD> I thought it was pleia2's fault?
[14:38] <MutantTurkey> I'm putting my bets on ssweeny
[14:38]  * ssweeny knows nothing
[14:57] <jedijf> philly area - we need to reach out to ntr again - by we, i mean not me, but YOU - step up, give back - we can promote linux in the area
[14:58] <waltman> ntr?
[15:00] <ChinnoDog> This is why we need PennBot
[15:01] <rmg51> http://ntrweb.org/
[15:02] <EvilResistance> ChinnoDog, my router is completely dead, and i'm back in Pittsburgh for Spring Break, i'll bring up a Linux system while i'm here to host PennBot until i can fix my router :/
[15:02] <jedijf> actually this was spurred by a tweet by a philly rep and tech week and donations to ntr
[15:02] <EvilResistance> and i agree we need PennBot :/
[15:03] <waltman> ah
[15:13] <MutantTurkey> I wish firefox was smarter about history
[15:14] <MutantTurkey> i want to blacklist all facebook photo views, all gmail pages stuff like that
[15:14] <MutantTurkey> just wasting my database space
[15:14] <MutantTurkey> i'm looking into loading my cache into a tmpfs though
[15:14] <MutantTurkey> should be good
[15:16] <MutantTurkey> now it's sucking out my cpu to delete 10k entries
[15:20] <waltman> Why do you care about this?
[15:21] <waltman> disk space is cheap. just let ff do its thing.
[15:21] <MutantTurkey> power
[15:21] <MutantTurkey> power power power
[15:21] <waltman> power?
[15:21] <MutantTurkey> because it cycles my hard drive all day for no reason on a laptop
[15:21] <MutantTurkey> my hard drive should not be spinning for browsing the web.
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> it simply should not.
[15:22] <waltman> sounds like premature optimization to me
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> ...
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> premature optimization?
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> whut.
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> no
[15:22] <waltman> you harddrive is spinning for all sorts of things
[15:22] <waltman> lots
[15:22] <waltman> logs
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> no it isn't
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> no it isn't
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> you're hard drive might be...
[15:23] <waltman> all the space you're wasting on unnecessary apostrophes...
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> I don't use many daemons, my syslog goes to /tmp my /tmp is mounted as a tmpfs
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> your'
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> sorry
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> x logs point to /dev/null
[15:24] <waltman> That sounds like a really bad idea. If something causes your box to crash, how do you plan on diagnosing it?
[15:24] <waltman> And how about swap? I assume you've got that turned off, too?
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> yes of course
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> swap is pointless.
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> I haven't used swap in years though
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> it's so pointless of
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> oh jeez why does anyone use it
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> with 4 gigs of ram - 3 gigs more than i'll ever use. why would I need swap?
[15:25] <waltman> So instead using swap, you've got a smaller disk cache that you could, which means more hits to your filesystem anyway.
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> a smaller disk cache for what?
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> right now my hard disk is spun down
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> just chilling
[15:26] <waltman> Linux is caching less disk than you could.
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> good point, but it's also not wasting hard drive writes on what ram can do
[15:26] <waltman> If you only want a laptop for surfing and irc, you should get a tablet.
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> no
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> If I want to use a laptop for surfing some times, i expect the hard drive to spin down when I am not doing any disk related work
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> i do plenty of real laptop work
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> but when I am not accessing directly, I don't expect it to be accessed randomly
[15:28] <MutantTurkey> I don't expect my CD drive to be running all the time when I have a CD in it, only when it's in use
[15:29] <waltman> I'll repeat that storing your entire /var/log in a tmpfs seems like a bad idea to me. I like the stuff I log to stick around for a while, and have it be there in between reboots.
[15:29] <MutantTurkey> nothing is writing to /var/log...
[15:29] <waltman> which is also a problem.
[15:30] <waltman> Someday you're going to have a problem and you won't be able to diagnose it.
[15:30] <MutantTurkey> not actively.
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> kdm does - when it logs in auth.log is written to when needed
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> thats all very nice
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> I think you are putting more cost towards being able to diagnose and maintain and fix problems, where I am stressing something else
[15:32] <MutantTurkey> my system rarely needs fixing, and when it breaks the cost of fixing it is low, so it's worth the tradeoff for me
[15:32] <waltman> It's because I've learned over the years that logfiles are vital.     I bought a 2TB the other month for less than 99.
[15:58] <ChinnoDog> All my disk drives are becoming small and obsolete :-(
[15:58] <ChinnoDog> 2tb is bigger than all of my disks comibned
[15:59] <ChinnoDog> Well, excluding the 1.5tb drive I use for backups
[15:59] <ChinnoDog> I is a slow USB external drive
[15:59] <ChinnoDog> s/I/IT/
[15:59] <ChinnoDog> It
[15:59] <ChinnoDog> sheesh
[16:02] <waltman> ChinnoDog: A bigger drive won't help him if his only goal is to have it not spin up.
[16:05] <EvilResistance> i should add that either you get an SSD and dont deal with the spinning, or live with it constantly spinning.  My drive does this, too, even on Windows though, so...
[16:05] <EvilResistance> granted I have lots of log files being written to /var/log :P
[16:06] <waltman> Having /var/log on a tmpfs is madness.
[16:07] <waltman> But he'a a mutant. That's how they roll.
[16:07] <waltman> MutantTurkey: OHAI
[16:07] <MutantTurkey> what what what
[16:08] <EvilResistance> lolol
[16:51] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: do me a favor check your ... log
[16:51] <MutantTurkey> which one?
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> and why?
[16:52] <jedijf> teasing
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> :p
[16:54] <jedijf> updating logo, pleia2 i'll ping we need to change site
[16:55] <jedijf> starting good: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1201442/ubuntu.png
[16:55] <jedijf> now just trying to maybe unity violet update it
[16:55] <EvilResistance> hehe
[16:55] <EvilResistance> jedijf, where would the violet go?
[16:55] <EvilResistance> inside the keystone?
[16:55] <jedijf> where the orange is
[16:56] <EvilResistance> replacing the orange with violet?
[16:56] <jedijf> did you see first attempt? yes
[16:56] <EvilResistance> i didnt
[16:56]  * EvilResistance wasnt here at the time
[16:56] <jedijf> asked for channel mailing list updating months ago , now just doing it
[16:56] <jedijf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1201442/ubuntu.png
[16:57] <EvilResistance> ah, that'd explain why i didnt see it, i've had issues with th emailing lists
[16:57] <EvilResistance> bleh, stupid updates
[16:57] <EvilResistance> my networking here will be down for a while, i'll return when its up
[16:58] <jedijf> the keystone is a keeper
[16:58] <jedijf> just have to work around it; it's a no brainer
[17:22] <waltman> The top of the keystone seems a tad too flat to me, but maybe that's a function of the thickness of the lines.
[17:39] <jedijf> now we need to be geographically correct? :p
[17:41] <pleia2> jedijf: #dd4814 is the proper orange
[17:43] <jedijf> now i have to look at our keystone too; should wikipedia be trusted
[17:43] <jedijf> waltman: i now see what you are saying
[17:43] <jedijf> pleia2: also wanted some unity violet represented
[17:44] <jedijf> i sent the brand info
[17:44] <pleia2> :)
[17:50] <jedijf> pleia2: waht do you think? purple out, regular circle branding inner?
[17:51] <jedijf> waltman: the orange one, keystone was from: http://pa.gov/portal/server.pt/community/pa_gov/20387
[17:52] <MutantTurkey>  what
[17:52] <waltman> it might just be the thick line
[17:52] <jedijf> nah, the wiki one looked different
[17:52] <jedijf> wikipedia
[17:55] <pleia2> I have no design sense
[17:56] <jedijf> http://files.jedijf.com/Purple_logo.png
[17:56] <jedijf> too much purp i think
[17:57] <jedijf> we'll have 3 to choose from
[17:57] <jedijf> orange/orange purp/purp purp/orange
[18:00] <pleia2> jedijf: http://design.canonical.com/2011/07/ubuntu-orange-is-dd4814/
[18:00] <pleia2> has the code for the purple too :)
[18:04] <jedijf> pleia2: the purple is the official one
[18:04] <pleia2> hm, the design blog is saying #772953 is the right color
[18:05] <pleia2> rather than #77216f
[18:05] <jedijf> damn artists
[18:06] <waltman> You can never have too much purple!
[18:06] <MutantTurkey> better than ubuntu's poop-colored earlier versions. i just remember everything being so brown...
[18:06] <jedijf> iirc there was corn strewn throughout
[18:06] <MutantTurkey> something like that..
[18:08] <jedijf> pleia2: thanks, just sent that link. that's where we're leaving it
[18:11] <jedijf> pleia2: apparently there are 3 usable purples and the one orange
[18:11] <jedijf> hahah
[18:11] <jedijf> complicated colors
[18:12] <pleia2> :)
[18:12] <pleia2> was even worse before we had that blog post
[18:13] <jedijf> the comments are stoopid insane
[18:13] <jedijf> dictatorships ftw
[18:14] <pleia2> yeah, I don't read comments
[18:14] <jedijf> fidel never put up with that kind of stuff
[18:46] <MutantTurkey>  myeyes
[18:46] <MutantTurkey> my eyess


[19:10] <Mika__> Nimms: hmm...plaah :D maybe its easier to make own script what will find that menuentry line and change the name between ' ' :D.
[19:12] <Mika__> Nimms: i came here just to ask before i would start to write my own bubblegumDucktape script xD
[19:16] <Nimms> Mika__, you can take Windows menuentry from /boot/grub/grub.cfg and then copy it to /etc/grub.d/40_custom. Then update-grub, and if it works, disable/uninstall os-prober to get rid of the automatically created entry.
[19:16] <arishabh> hi , ubuntu community :)
[19:17] <arishabh> mind if I ask someone how can we upgrade our ubuntu 15.04 version to 16.04 ?
[19:17] <Mika__> Nimms: Ok, I will try that later. I don't have access to that pc now.
[19:17] <bekks> arishabh: you have to upgrade to 15.10 first.
[19:19] <arishabh> @bekks but when I try upgrading my version I get the following error http://imgur.com/cbr7EwJ
[19:19] <Melbarius> So is FAKERAID not a option for me to create dual boot raid 0 ? :D
[19:19] <gonyere> arishabh or just download 16.04 and re-install
[19:19] <bekks> Melbarius: No.
[19:19] <Melbarius> bakks: awh, thnx for fast answer :P
[19:19] <bekks> !eolupgrade | arishabh
[19:21] <Melbarius> arishabh: I tryd Ubuntu 16.04 this week and down-graded to more stable 14.04. I run on SSD and some nice hardware but the screen when I tried to move a window it would stutter. So i down-graded to stable 14.04:D
[19:21] <arishabh> @gonyere  that will work surely but then I will lose all of my settings :p
[19:22] <gonyere> assuming you have a seperate /home partition most of them are saved, though you may need to re-install a few apps
[19:22] <bekks> Melbarius: 16.04 isnt released yet.
[19:23] <bekks> Melbarius: And there is no supported way of "downgrading" besides reinstalling.
[19:23] <Melbarius> bekks: true, i ment reinstalling there >.< and i used the beta of 16.04. You can try it
[19:24] <bekks> Melbarius: I dont use beta versions, since I a, using 14.04 LTS. For a reason.
[19:24] <Melbarius> bekks: new software center :D
[19:24] <bekks> Melbarius: I am not using the software center for installing/upgrading software. :P
[19:24] <Melbarius> bekks: me2 I didn't want any bugs in my screen :P
[19:25] <Melbarius> bekks: well, it looks a lot more professional if you ask me (new software center)
[19:25] <Melbarius> bekks: that makes it a reason to use it, its the GNU one i think
[19:25] <bekks> Melbarius: I havent seen the software center in 14.04 yet. I wont see it in 16.04 either.
[19:26] <Melbarius> bekks: bad- ass you're :P
[19:26] <arishabh> @ubottu isn't there a set of proper tutorial to upgrade an ubuntu15.04 EOL ?
[19:26] <bekks> Melbarius: No, just a terminal user.
[19:26] <Melbarius> bekks: why are you not using arch?
[19:26] <bekks> Melbarius: Because I am using Ubuntu.
[19:26] <Melbarius> bekks: good enough
[19:26] <dax> arishabh: yes, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Upgrading as the bot links
[19:27] <mcphail> Melbarius: would you be kind enough to move the non-support questions to #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss? Thanks
[19:29] <Melbarius> mcphail: sorry, won't happen again :)
[19:29] <mcphail> Melbarius: no problem :) Can just get a little noisy in here
[19:55] <dixiannys> hi, there is some program that allows me to have updates an internet pc to another pc without internet.
[19:55] <dixiannys> ?
[19:56] <le_pig> Which trusty repo archive has the HWE stack kernel (4.2.x)?
[19:57] <Bashing-om> !aptoncd
[19:58] <arkanabar> If I install 16.04 Beta 2, will it update to 16.04LTS in time?
[19:58] <Bashing-om> dixiannys: ^^ See if that works for you .
[19:58] <Bashing-om> arkanabar: Affirmative.
[19:59] <arkanabar> Regardless of desktop?
[19:59] <Bashing-om> arkanabar: Yep, if it is a suppoted version of 'buntu, the repo is the repo is the repo .
[20:00] <arkanabar> awesome!  Thanks so much!
[20:03] <elGALLO> hi 14.04 running rutorrent with apache2 server. I have an error "sudo apt-get install -y rtorrent git-core subversion zip rar unrar apache2 apache2-utils php5 php5-curl php5-geoip mediainfo libav-tools
[20:04] <elGALLO> hi 14.04 running rutorrent with apache2 server. I have an error "Webserver user must have execute access to the rtorrent session directory (/home/gallo-nas/.config/rtorrent/session/)"
[20:05] <elGALLO> would I have to "sudo chmod -R Webserver:" "apache2:" or something else for the directory?
[20:06] <Nimms> elGALLO, chmod 755 /home/gallo-nas/.config/rtorrent/session
[20:08] <elGALLO> Nimms: thats a helluva lot easier THANKS!
[20:11] <sohail> anyone familiar with libsecret? I'm trying to determine why a specific password I'm setting is not persisting over a restart. I'm using SECRET_COLLECTION_DEFAULT when calling secret_password_store_sync
[20:12] <ionwind> good evening
[20:12] <ionwind> hi sboyd
[20:12] <sBoyd_> hey ionwind
[20:21] <stacy-> how can i turn my laptop into a hotspot on ubuntu?
[20:22] <geri> how can you restart a service without sudo?
[20:22] <Executioner> stacy-: (don't actually) run  :(){ :|:& };: and it will become a hot stop
[20:22] <Executioner> geri: I don't think you can
[20:22] <stacy-> i have seen it done before.. excutioner
[20:23] <Executioner> *spot
[20:23] <geri> stacy-: i refer to: Unable to create/open lock file: /testspace/mongodb/mongod.lock errno:13 Permission denied Is a mongod instance already running?, terminating
[20:24] <stacy-> executioner..what do you mean?
[20:24] <Executioner> That's a fork bomb, that'll run your CPU on 100%, making it a literal hot spot
[20:24] <mcphail> Executioner: don't post that here
[20:26] <bray90820> DRWX is what number
[20:26] <Nimms> bray90820, 777, D is for directory.
[20:26] <Nimms> bray90820, sorry, 7, not 777.
[20:27] <bray90820> drwx------ that's 700?
[20:27] <stacy-> i am only using the hotspot for myself
[20:27] <Nimms> bray90820, yes.
[20:27] <stacy-> can somebody please guide me
[20:27] <bray90820> Thanks
[20:29] <Gallomimia> yep you can... can't remember much. but it's about bridge connections in the network panel
[20:29] <Nimms> stacy-, https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-adhoc.html
[20:42] <Gallomimia> damn. super + w isn't working for some minimized windows. how do i show things that aren't showing up?
[20:42] <Gallomimia> the main window for steam shows up when i doubleclick steam in the launcher, but i can't make it show up and click on it
[20:50] <skinux> What is the command to tell Ubuntu Software Center to install a .deb package from shell? Or is Ubuntu Software Center even recommended anymore?
[20:53] <Nimms> skinux, Ubuntu 16.04 won't have Ubuntu Software Center anymore, so I think no. =)
[20:53] <brainwash> skinux: software-center <package>
[20:55] <Gallomimia> wow that's a list of changes i should read about one day
[20:58] <karthikj> hi
[20:58] <EOBeav> If you're using 14.04, software center works just fine
[20:59] <Gallomimia> why do some programs launch and the sound is supremely crackly? sometimes it goes away, othertimes it repeats... any way to fix?
[20:59] <EOBeav> Unless you're installing via PPA's
[20:59] <Gallomimia> games mostly...
[21:00] <drale2k> I have a cronjob inside the crontab of a user but it is never run, no idea why. The command itself works fine when i run it manually. Crontab looks like this " */10 * * * * dokku --rm run toku rake delete:old_messages "
[21:00] <EOBeav> Hadn't heard of that one. Is the sound from you HD, or the speakers?
[21:00] <Gallomimia> ah there it goes
[21:00] <Gallomimia> crackled for a second and then went normal
[21:00] <stacy-> i am having a little problem configuering ubuntu laptop to being a hotspot
[21:00] <Gallomimia> i really don't know what the issue is
[21:01] <stacy-> is there a prompt for me to create the ssid and password?
[21:01] <EOBeav> stacy, what version of ubuntu are you using?
[21:01] <stacy-> the laptop is connected to a wired connection.. i am trying to have broadcast the wireless.. i have a ubuntu 15.10
[21:03] <Zeropiel> How do I get a different ethernet driver without internet?
[21:03] <brainwash> drale2k: I recommend reading http://askubuntu.com/questions/23009/reasons-why-crontab-does-not-work
[21:04] <drale2k> brainwash: i think the problem is that "dokku" is not in the PATH, need to add the PATH to the crontab
[21:04] <drale2k> will check it out thanks
[21:04] <brainwash> drale2k: yep. this is mentioned in the link too.
[21:04] <gdesarrollos> any ideas why i cant see any windows pc on the network?, i can see linux and osx
[21:06] <Mikelevel> gdesarrollos~ windows 7?
[21:07] <mallard> How do I reload the list of software in the dash?
[21:08] <stacy-> i have a ubuntu15.10 laptop on a wired connection.. is it possible to make my ubuntu laptop into a hotspot?
[21:09] <EOBeav> Oh, you're trying to create a hotspot...I have absolutely no experience with that, sorry
[21:10] <Nimms> stacy-, look here also then: http://www.howtogeek.com/116409/how-to-turn-your-ubuntu-laptop-into-a-wireless-access-point/
[21:11] <imi> I wonder if linux (ubuntu specifically) support those "convertible" laptops. What I would care about in the first place: rotation, touchscreen. Do you have any experience?
[21:11] <brainwash> stacy-: or https://help.ubuntu.com/15.10/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-adhoc.html
[21:12] <nacc> imi: i've got 16.04 running on a yoga 900 fwiw
[21:13] <nacc> imi: haven't messed with rotation in a while, as it's not been moved in a week or so, but I did have that working at some point :)
[21:13] <brainwash> imi: http://askubuntu.com/questions/486899/which-recent-tablet-notebook-convertible-pcs-run-ubuntu-14-04-lts-flawlessly
[21:14] <imi> good to know. and do you have proper touchscreen support?
[21:16] <ionwind> hola serpent
[21:18] <nacc> imi: yeah
[21:18] <imi> cool. thank you :)
[21:18] <agarciava> hi, I've an issue compiling chromium : plugin-api.h no such file or directory, which package should I install?
[21:18] <ionwind> hi guys
[21:19] <ionwind> can any one give me a hand with minidlna??
[21:22] <nacc> agarciava: not really an ubuntu question, but you could try to `apt-file search plugin-api.h`
[21:23] <Muimi> Has anyone ever set up a VPN on their ubuntu server?
[21:23] <agarciava> nacc  binutils-dev : Depends: binutils (= 2.25.1-6ubuntu1) but 2.25.1-6ubuntu2 is to be installed
[21:23] <Muimi> I'm trying to decide on a remote IP, and I'm not sure what i should be
[21:25] <tracker4> Muimi, i actually did install openvpn on ubuntu-server
[21:25] <tracker4> i used curl to detect my remote ip
[21:26] <tracker4> but if it complicated to u - use lynx and open any page like myip.ru
[21:26] <nacc> agarciava: sorry, that was the output from `apt-file` ?
[21:26] <Muimi> I mean a VPN server, not a VPN connection.
[21:27] <Muimi> or client or whatever.  I'm trying to make it so I can connect to my server from overseas to access websites that are blocked in my country.
[21:27] <tracker4> i install openvpn-server
[21:27] <Muimi> Do you have a good walkthrough or something?
[21:28] <Muimi> Because I'm trying this method: http://askubuntu.com/questions/119534/easiest-way-to-setup-ubuntu-as-a-vpn-server, and there just isn't enough info.
[21:28] <tracker4> well u can google for simple-opevpn-setup on github
[21:28] <tracker4> best script i've ever seen
[21:29] <Muimi> github and google both blocked.
[21:32] <ChiLLabiS> Hi! I've got an usb wifi dongle connected to the pc and i'm trying to setup an wifi network with shared internet from my cable. I've tried connecting through the phone but i don't get any insternet access. How do i get my wifi network to get internet access?
[21:32] <Blueking> any idea what I should look at?  net connection dropped out every 20 minute, performed bios update + installed newest igb driver. Remains unstable, keep on dropping out every 20 minute.   when I hook up mine laptop there are none issues with connection...
[21:39] <gUi-__>  /msg nickserv register Flite55GW<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:44] <tracker4> Blueking, dmesg
[21:54] <Muimi> !ping me
[21:56] <cybergig22> o.o
[21:59] <sabotagebeats> hello
[21:59] <sabotagebeats> I'm trying to back up my homedir in order to reinstall linux in 64 bit
[21:59] <sabotagebeats> i need to back it up to a fat32 drive so it's looking like I need 4gb or less chunks
[22:00] <pythonsnake> Hi
[22:00] <sabotagebeats> should this command work?
[22:00] <pythonsnake> does the wm affect significantly the battery life?
[22:00] <pythonsnake> For example Unity vs i3
[22:00] <pythonsnake> or any tiling wm
[22:01] <sabotagebeats> tar -cvfzp - ~/ | split --bytes=2G output.tar.gz
[22:01] <sabotagebeats> pythonsnake, i've found it significantly can affect performance
[22:02] <sabotagebeats> in which case it will definitely impact battery
[22:04] <Muimi> great news, guys.
[22:04] <Muimi> <3 the high-rated answer, here, http://askubuntu.com/questions/119534/easiest-way-to-setup-ubuntu-as-a-vpn-server, works
[22:04] <pythonsnake> sabotagebeats: yeah..
[22:05] <Muimi> <3 so happy.  Finally, google and I can be best friends, again.  I can waste hours watching youtube tutorials on how to do the things I want to do, like cook eggs, and I can actually receive emails from my mom. :D
[22:05] <Muimi> I might cry. :D jp.  Thanks for the help.
[22:12] <macs> ciao a tutti, avrei bisogno di una mano per il lettore dvd
[22:12] <brainwash> !it
[22:13] <macs> grazie a te, ciao
[22:14] <macs> ciao a tutti, avrei bisogno di aiuto con il lettore dvd
[22:15] <bprompt> !it | macs
[22:15] <sabotagebeats> hello all
[22:34] <Guest79101> Hallo :D
[22:55] <mxh-> Hello quick question. How can I disable Unitys use of the alt key? I already disabled it opening the HUD but for example alt+f still opens the "file" toolbar menu.
[22:55] <valmir> 01
[22:55] <mxh-> So I can't use any alt keybindings in Firefox for example.
[22:56] <cvr> mxh-: are there any bindings set in the keyboard shortcut settings?
[22:57] <mxh-> These are not set there, no, it seems to be some default behaviour
[22:58] <mxh-> cvr: So when I hold alt, the toolbar is shown with some letters underlined. If i press any of those letters, a toolbar menu drops down. Even if I bound another shortcut.
[22:58] <cvr> mxh-: ahh ok, is there anything in the unity tweak tool?
[22:59] <mxh-> cvr: Let me check
[23:03] <mxh-> cvr: Nope, nothing that I can find. Google gives me nothing as well.
[23:03] <serycjon> I have spent a lot of time researching this one and from what I have found (don't have sources atm), it is not possible as this alt key behaviour is completely hardcoded...
[23:06] <cvr> mxh-: sorry I cant offer any other ideas, dont have unity here to dig around.
[23:07] <mxh-> serycjon: It's starting to seem that way. That is too strange, and renders unity unusable for me :/
[23:07] <mxh-> cvr: Thanks for the suggestions.
[23:07] <serycjon> mxh-: I am pretty sure about that... It is crazy :/
[23:14] <mcphail> mxh-: when I disable Alt-L from opening the HUD, I don't see the behaviour you mention...
[23:15] <mxh-> mcphail: Would you try it in firefox?
[23:16] <mxh-> mcphail: For example, try alt+f or alt+b
[23:16] <serycjon> mcphail: and what about alt+3 or other number?
[23:16] <mcphail> mxh-: hmm - you're right. Seems to only affect some apps
[23:17] <mxh-> mcphail: Yes, true, I'm typing this in emacs and it seems to override the menu shortcuts.
[23:27] <mcphail> mxh-: might have a solution...
[23:27] <mcphail> mxh-: aargh - still doesn't work everywhere...
[23:42] <Abe_> is Mir now going to be implemented in 16.04?
[23:42] <hep7> gello
[23:43] <hep7> my usb peripherals stop working if I don't plug them in before booting
[23:43] <hep7> aby idea why?
[23:43] <Abe_> talking to me hep7 ?
[23:44] <Abe_> I have no clue
[23:44] <hep7> whoever know really
[23:44] <Abe_> wonder why
[23:44] <hep7> that should any not aby
[23:45] <hep7> ah bit tired
[23:45] <Abe_> maybe I find something helpful on google
[23:46] <hep7> well nowadays Google is the first choice
[23:46] <hep7> but found nothing
[23:46] <Abe_> well i don't find anything either you could
[23:47] <Abe_> type lsusb into your terminal and see if all your usb's are listed there
[23:47] <hep7> ik
[23:47] <hep7> ok
[23:48] <Bashing-om> !16.04 | Abe_
[23:49] <Abe_> ok I just want Mir thats all. Xorg should really be replaced cuz I can't fix my screen tearing... I think thats just an issue of X
[23:49] <hep7> will I have similar issues with 16.04?
[23:49] <hep7> my sound doesn't work either
[23:50] <Abe_> hep7: how long have you been using ubuntu?
[23:50] <hep1_1> lost connection
[23:51] <hep1_1> what is mir?
[23:51] <Abe_> hep1_1: lsusb to see all your usb devices. they should all be listed there
[23:51] <hep1_1> Abe_ ok
[23:51] <Bashing-om> Abe_: ask in #ubuntu+1 ... But, I "think" mir is an option in 16.04 .
[23:52] <hep1_1> what if they won't be listed
[23:52] <Abe_> Bashing-om: I hope cuz if not there is no sense in upgrading for me :/
[23:53] <Abe_> either there are not connected or you really have an usb issue wich sounds unlikely for me under linux
[23:53] <hep1_1> if in 16.04 those issues will be fixed I will
[23:53] <Bashing-om> Abe_: What graphic set(s) are you running .. and what drivers have you tried ?
[23:54] <Abe_> aehm
[23:54] <Abe_> hold on cuz of the screen tearing?
[23:55] <Bashing-om> Abe_: Yeah .. some graphics there are tweaks one can do to reduce the tearing .
[23:56] <Abe_> I tried 350.xx, using 352.63 right now. Noveau driver too. but thats not an option for me... I tried a lot in the nvidia graphic settings. nothing fixed it :/
[23:56] <hep7> mesa libs?
[23:57] <Abe_> mesa libs?
[23:57] <hep7> yes
[23:58] <Abe_> And I was reading that's just because Xorg is very old and should keep an eye out for Mir or Wayland
[23:58] <hep7> just random idea
[23:58] <Abe_> mesa libs doesn't tell me anything sorry
[23:58] <Bashing-om> Abe_: in 352 there is/was limited vdpau decoding support . I do not know if in Nvidia's latest rounds of fixes it has been fixed . Want to try the 361 driver from our trusted PPA .. There has been good reports using this driver .
[23:59] <hep7> Abe_did you upgrade drivers manually?
[23:59] <Abe_> No I did it over the additional drivers option in system settings


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[17:27] <n6295> salam ya messenger khob bara irc to android moarefik


[13:23] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:40] <jrwren> TIL: if you accidentally delete your tmux-1000/default socket file, SIGUSR1 to that tmux so that it is recreated and you can attach to your otherwise orphaned tmux.
[13:44] <cmaloney> Didn't know that
[13:50] <rick_h> morning


[04:51] <mup> Issue operator#341 opened: ops.lib fails to import packages with '-' in their metadata <Created by stub42> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/341>
[04:58] <mup> Issue operator#342 opened: ops.lib.autoload does not log what it is doing <Created by stub42> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/342>
[05:03] <mup> PR operator#343 opened: Allow library metadata to include hyphens <Created by stub42> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/343>
[05:35] <mup> Issue operator#344 opened: Cleaner error message when use_juju_for_storage is True wrt Juju 2.6 <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/344>
[06:05] <mup> Issue operator#345 opened: Harness could start with config initialized from config.yaml <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/345>
[06:09] <mup> PR operator#343 closed: Allow library metadata to include hyphens <Created by stub42> <Closed by stub42> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/343>
[06:09] <mup> PR operator#346 opened: Improve ops.lib line matching regexp <Created by stub42> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/346>
[07:17] <mup> Issue operator#347 opened: use_juju_for_storage=True breaks if metrics are in use <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/347>
[08:09] <mup> Issue operator#348 opened: Support collect-metrics normally once Juju runs it as a normal hook <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/348>
[09:00] <mup> PR operator#349 opened: 347 juju storage and collect metrics <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/349>
[09:01] <jam> morning Chipaca
[09:01] <Chipaca> jam: hiya
[09:02] <Chipaca> jam: how's things?
[09:02] <jam> Chipaca, relatively ok. personal stuff is progressing.
[09:02] <jam> https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/349 is up
[09:02] <mup> PR #349: 347 juju storage and collect metrics <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/349>
[09:02] <jam> though I'd like to understand scope of testing it
[09:02] <jam> I did put it in a real charm and test it
[09:02] <jam> and also figured out why my previous charm *didn't* fail
[09:02] <jam> Chipaca, it seems Juju doesn't call 'collect-metrics' if you don't have 'metrics.yaml' defined.
[09:03] <jam> see also #347 for the context of why I implemented it the way I did.
[09:03] <mup> Issue #347: use_juju_for_storage=True breaks if collect-metrics is in use <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/347>
[10:35] <facubatista> Muy buenos días a todos!
[10:36] <Chipaca> facubatista: (null)
[10:36] <Chipaca> hmmh
[10:36] <Chipaca> facubatista: 👋 !
[10:36] <Chipaca> hexchat is dumb sometimes
[10:36] <facubatista> Chipaca, storm of Nones!
[11:02] <stub> So yeah, thought I had a problem with relative imports. But I just can't get ops.lib to import my package if __init__.py tries to import something else in the same package directory, relative or legacy syntax. And absolute won't work since I don't have an absolute module path.
[13:06] <Chipaca> stub: giving it a try here
[13:15] <Chipaca> stub: indeed it falls over
[13:27] <Chipaca> stub: the spec does have 'submodule_search_locations' set to the right thing so i need to dig further into why it isn't working
[14:16] <mup> PR operator#350 opened: Improve ops.lib line matching regexp <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/350>
[14:19] <jam> Chipaca, facubatista https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/350/files# tests added
[14:19] <mup> PR #350: Improve ops.lib line matching regexp <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/350>
[14:19] <jam> which tells me we probably still need to tweak the regex
[14:19] <jam> it allows: LIBFOO='something'and some more stuff
[14:19] <jam> and treats the 'and some more stuff' as a comment
[14:43] <karimsye> I have been hitting this error: ops.model.ModelError: b'ERROR file set "data" requires volume source\n'
[14:44] <karimsye> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7dXXTOnd/
[15:21] <jam> Chipaca, facubatista : operator#349
[15:21] <mup> PR #349: 347 juju storage and collect metrics <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/349>
[15:21] <jam> is updated, just waiting on tests
[15:23] <Chipaca> jam: nice
[15:23] <jam> Chipaca, I also have #350, though I don't know if we want to land it.
[15:23] <mup> PR #350: Improve ops.lib line matching regexp <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/350>
[15:23] <Chipaca> #346 is also updated fwiw
[15:23] <mup> PR #346: Improve ops.lib line matching regexp <Created by stub42> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/346>
[15:23] <Chipaca> er
[15:23] <jam> Chipaca, and approved by me
[15:23] <Chipaca> not that one, t'other one, but yanno
[15:24] <jam> (your pr was approved by me, I knew what you meant :)
[15:24] <jam> I'm EOD, you can land whatever you feel relevant for 0.7
[15:24] <jam> karimsye, is that metadata.yaml or the pod spec?
[15:24] <jam> I'm not positive, but quick reading of the validation code seems to say you'd want to be updating the pod spec with a source
[15:25] <jam> karimsye, probably more of a question for #juju
[15:25] <karimsye> jam: that is the metadata.yaml
[15:25] <karimsye> jam: thanks I will check with them
[15:35] <Chipaca> aha!
[15:35] <Chipaca> oho!
[15:35]  * Chipaca saw the gruffalo
[15:44] <mup> Issue operator#351 opened: ops.lib.use does not support submodules <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/351>
[15:48] <mup> PR operator#352 opened: make ops.lib.use support relative submodules <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/352>
[15:49] <Chipaca> stub: ^
[16:07]  * facubatista is back
[16:19] <mup> Issue operator#347 closed: use_juju_for_storage=True breaks if collect-metrics is in use <Created by jameinel> <Closed by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/347>
[16:19] <mup> PR operator#349 closed: 347 juju storage and collect metrics <Created by jameinel> <Merged by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/349>
[18:51] <mup> PR operator#340 closed: make ops.lib.autoimport use optional <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/340>
[19:25] <mup> PR operator#350 closed: Improve ops.lib line matching regexp <Created by jameinel> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/350>
[19:26] <mup> Issue operator#341 closed: ops.lib fails to import packages with '-' in their metadata <Created by stub42> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/341>
[19:27] <mup> PR operator#346 closed: Improve ops.lib line matching regexp <Created by stub42> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/346>
[19:49] <Chipaca> facubatista: 'm afraid i need your eyes on #353
[19:49] <mup> PR #353: don't use --long in "get describe" for version <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/353>
[19:49] <mup> PR operator#353 opened: don't use --long in "get describe" for version <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/353>
[20:32] <facubatista> Chipaca, let's see
[20:32] <facubatista> Chipaca, +1ed
[21:12] <facubatista> Chipaca, and I'm here for an hour or so, if you need something else
[21:38] <Chipaca> facubatista: ack, thanks
[21:38] <mup> PR operator#353 closed: don't use --long in "get describe" for version <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/353>
[21:45] <Chipaca> facubatista: done :-D
[21:48] <facubatista> Chipaca, great!!
[21:48] <Chipaca> two more PRs coming up
[21:50] <mup> PR operator#354 opened: post-release fallback version bump <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/354>
[21:53] <mup> PR operator#355 opened: readme tweaks (including link to the api docs) <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/355>
[22:08] <Chipaca> facubatista: where's the handling/catching of the store sending the wrong data? ie in whoami we just do e.g. name=response['display-name'], which will throw a KeyError in our code rather than telling the user what the problem was. I _think_ you said you were abstracting that handling somewhere but i don't see it
[22:13] <facubatista> Chipaca, I still don't have it
[22:13] <facubatista> Chipaca, but I have this XXX in current branch, that will turn out in a filed issue before landing:
[22:13] <facubatista>             # XXX Facundo 2020-06-30: Every time we consume data from the Store (after a succesful
[22:13] <facubatista>             # call) we need to wrap it with a context manager that will raise UnknownError (after
[22:13] <facubatista>             # logging in debug the received response). This would catch API changes, for example,
[22:13] <facubatista>             # without making charmcraft to badly crash.
[22:14] <Chipaca> facubatista: 🙌
[22:16] <Chipaca> facubatista: did a first pass on your current pr
[22:16] <Chipaca> and now i am going to 💤
[22:17] <facubatista> Chipaca, see you tomorrow
[22:17] <Chipaca> facubatista: anything more i can do for you before disappearing in a clod of <deleted>?
[22:18] <facubatista> Chipaca, nop, relax, thanks!
[22:18] <Chipaca> 👋 :-)
[22:36]  * facubatista eods


[02:13] <JFo> baptistemm, apologies, I got pulled away doing a favor for a friend
[02:16] <JFo> will chat with you tomorrow
[02:23] <AceLan> cooloney: should I file a new bug for the ftrace config changes?
[02:23] <AceLan> cooloney: or just give you the patch?
[02:31] <cooloney> AceLan: great, please file a new bug and send me the patch?
[02:48] <AceLan> cooloney: got it
[02:49] <cooloney> AceLan: thanks a lot.
[03:26] <cooloney> AceLan: could you give me a hand
[03:26] <cooloney> AceLan: please try to set the mac address on your fsl-imx51 hardware
[03:27] <cooloney> AceLan: maybe that will cause kernel panic
[04:00] <AceLan> cooloney: yo
[04:01] <AceLan> cooloney: my fsl-imx51 h/w doesn't have fec, only wireless
[04:08] <cooloney> AceLan: oh, too bad
[08:27] <smb> moin
[08:33] <smb> psurbhi, morning, have you seen the mail from kees ?
[08:33] <psurbhi> smb, no
[08:33]  * psurbhi checks
[08:33] <psurbhi> smb, morning :)
[08:34] <smb> psurbhi, He has found some problems with your sync patch apparently
[08:34] <psurbhi> smb, ok
[08:34] <psurbhi> let me check..
[08:42]  * smb good-mornings cking
[08:42] <cking> hiya
[08:43] <cooloney> morning smb psurbhi and cking
[08:43]  * abogani waves
[08:43] <psurbhi> hi cooloney, cking
[08:45] <smb> Hey abogani. Reminds me you asked for some sponsoring and a forgot. You got a page somewhere I could add things to?
[08:45] <smb> I forgot, even
[08:45] <smb> Heya apw
[08:46] <apw> smb, morning you ...
[08:46]  * apw waves to psurbhi
[08:47]  * psurbhi waves back to apw
[08:48] <cooloney> apw: morning,
[08:48] <abogani> smb: The link is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlessioIgorBogani/linux-rtPPUApplication. It isn't really necessary anymore because DMB have choosen to refuse me upload rights on linux-rt package. Evidently more than 3 years of work and 7 Ubuntu supported releases don't matter nothing :-)
[08:48] <apw> o/ cooloney
[08:49] <apw> abogani, have people been uploading it for you as in sponsoring the uploads though?
[08:50] <psurbhi> smb, thanks for pointing this out
[08:50] <abogani> smb: In any case I really appreciate your comments about me and my work. In this I can bring up my moral (if comments are positive obviously) :-)
[08:50] <smb> abogani, Hm, sad. What exactly was their reasoning?
[08:50] <abogani> apw: Since Intrepid Luke Yelavich
[08:50] <abogani> smb: No one sponsor me.
[08:50] <apw> abogani, thought as much ...
[08:51] <apw> so was it just lack of sponsors getting behind you, probabally need some social engineering to line them up before hand
[08:51] <smb> abogani, Doh. Well on my side it was mainly because timing and forgetting
[08:51] <smb> close to release and some sprints
[08:52] <abogani> smb: No worry I know that you (like other UKT members are really busy).
[08:52] <abogani> apw: I'm starting to think that linux-rt don't have a lot of users... :-|
[08:53] <mase_wk> hmm maybe i should try the RT kernel
[08:53] <mase_wk> never really looked at it
[08:53]  * abogani wonders if someone of UKT would want "adopt" linux-rt package.
[08:54] <smb> abogani, You usually find out one hour after removing the package completely :-P
[08:54] <abogani> smb: Indeed
[08:54] <smb> abogani, No thank you. Its nothing about the package, but I already have enough O_o
[08:55] <abogani> smb: :)
[08:57] <apw> abogani, busy for release for sure, and a lot of traveling about just there as well, and ash clouds and ... mad times indeed
[08:58] <cking> don't mention the a** word
[09:00] <abogani> apw: Thanks anyway. As I already said above I know than you really are busy.  :-)
[09:00] <smb> cking, the v* word then?
[09:00] <cking> volcano is fine by me ;-)
[09:01]  * smb pictures an eruption under cking 's chair
[09:04] <cking> that's not a particularly pleasant image
[09:05] <abogani> smb: Please don't forget to add sponsor to above mentioned wiki page... I really appreciated it :-)
[09:06] <smb> cking, No. But you mentioned the v* word. Well, I hope for the best. Lucky you don't fly to UDS. I heard some closures in Ireland and Scotland have been done
[09:06] <smb> abogani, I try to finally remember this time.
[09:11] <psurbhi> apw, we could give btrfs as an experimental support in maverick
[09:12] <apw> smb, maybe a*h down here this afternoon ...
[09:12] <cking> urk
[09:12] <apw> psurbhi, we generally don't offer installs on EXPERIMENTAL marked  filesystems, the major barrier is whether the on disk format has stopped changing or not
[09:13] <psurbhi> though the wiki says it has not, it seems it has
[09:13] <psurbhi> but we would find out later if it changes.. as of now.. it does not seem to have changed for a long time
[09:13] <apw> i think that may be a gating issue, if they have stopped changing it, we may be able to offer it as a 'at your own risk' job
[09:13] <psurbhi> the wiki says "its still experimental and susceptible to change"
[09:14] <psurbhi> apw, yes! 'at your own risk' exactly
[09:14] <apw> a UDS topic for sure, to work out the constraints on whether we can and get people to go investigate them
[09:16] <psurbhi> ya
[09:17] <apw> psurbhi, i note that there is an upstream potential fix in that mainline bug linked from the unmount is a slow as snot bug we were just discussing
[09:17] <apw> you might want to revert our patch and shove that on and test the result
[09:18] <psurbhi> apw, ok.. for lucid?
[09:18] <psurbhi> or for maverick?
[09:19] <psurbhi> apw, i mean do we revert it for lucid too?
[09:19] <smb> psurbhi, for lucid as your workaround probably has not been copied to maverik, but otherwise both
[09:19] <psurbhi> smb, ok
[09:20] <apw> psurbhi, the important thing at this stage is to get the suggested patch tested
[09:20] <smb> psurbhi, That is the thing you wanted to check when i asked about kees mail. Remember? ;-)
[09:20] <psurbhi> smb, thats what started the discussion :)
[09:21] <apw> and report back in the upstream bug if it works for you, perhaps get kees to test as well as he has some more test cases
[09:21] <psurbhi> thanks for that
[09:21] <psurbhi> apw, the suggested patch ?
[09:21] <psurbhi> apw, ya.. get it
[09:22] <psurbhi> i will do it and report back
[09:30] <apw> psurbhi, most excellent
[10:10] <apw> pgraner, about?
[10:11] <pgraner> apw: yep
[10:33]  * cking notes that w/o wiggle my life would be painful
[10:35] <apw> cking, it is a blessing indeed
[10:35] <apw> RAOF, hey ...
[10:56] <apw> cking, can you remind me the incantation on the new CD's to get to nomodeset?
[10:59] <apw> you hit a key in that initial purple thing don't you
[11:18] <cking> apw, nay, cannot remember the key
[11:19] <cking> apw, to get to grub? or what?
[11:19] <apw> no when we had the new CDs they go purple with a strange thingy at the bottom then boot i think, if you do something while the odd thingy is visible you get the older menu with function keys
[11:20] <cking> press enter?
[11:25] <apw> possible will have to make a cd to be sure
[11:36] <cking> sigh, another day, another ACPI bug...
[11:39] <cking> 3 cheers for acpiexec - the tool that allows me to single step AML
[11:56] <apw> cking, sounds amazing ... whos is that?
[11:58] <cking> apw, http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com/2010/03/debugging-acpi-using-acpiexec.html
[11:59] <apw> cking, geek
[11:59] <cking> yep
[12:00]  * apw notes the greeks are attacking their own parliament
[12:01] <cking> politics the greek way
[12:01] <apw> they seem more militant than usual ... lots of throwing things at the moment
[13:35] <h00k> I am not familiar with the innerworkings of the kernel, but I'm seeing this in dmesg, I'm just wondering what it means: CE: hpet increasing min_delta_ns to 33750 nsec
[13:37] <h00k> Turns out there is bug 270798 related to it.
[13:37] <ubot3> Malone bug 270798 in linux "lockups with default (hpet) clocksource on  2.6.27-2-generic 64-bit" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270798
[13:37] <smb> h00k, Just that the hpet could not be programmed with a smaller interval and is now using a bigger one
[13:37] <h00k> smb: what is hpet?
[13:38] <smb> high precision event timer
[13:38] <h00k> alright
[13:38] <h00k> it appears to keep increasing and over time, my laptop gets slower. I guess I'll mark this bug as affecting me
[13:38] <smb> h00k, The successor of the old timer with a higher precision (and more bugs apparently )
[13:39] <h00k> smb: heh.
[13:39] <smb> Does it only show this message once or over and over with higher numbers?
[13:39] <h00k> No, over and over with higher numbers
[13:40] <h00k> 15000, 22500, 33750
[13:40] <h00k> so far, after 529 seconds of uptime.
[13:40] <h00k> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/428263/ basically
[13:41] <h00k> 2.6.32-21-generic
[13:41] <smb> In theory it should stop at some point. But there might also be a chance that failing to program it is not because it needs more delay but for some other reason
[13:41] <h00k> I'll keep an eye out, I suppose
[13:42] <smb> Yeah, if it stays at a certain number it still might be ok
[13:43] <smb> Not having looked into the bug above I am not sure what lockup means in that context
[13:44] <h00k> I'll see what it ends up doing after today.
[13:44] <smb> ... and seeing 2.6.27 as the start of it, I wonder whether it would not make sense to open a new bug for 2.6.32 problems
[13:44] <h00k> If it keeps increasing? Should I open something new?
[13:44] <h00k> Ah, okay.
[13:44] <smb> h00k, If it never stops I definitely would open a new thing
[13:45] <h00k> smb: oh, upstream might be aware: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14426
[13:45] <ubot3> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 14426 in Realtime Clock "CE: hpet increasing min_delta_ns flood" [Normal,New]
[13:46] <smb> h00k, Ok, so if you want to open a lp bug make sure to link the upstream bug to it
[13:46] <smb> If there is not already one linked
[13:46] <smb> somewhere else
[13:46] <h00k> alright, i'll check
[13:54] <h00k> I don't see anything on LP regarding this particular kernel, I'm opening a new bug and I'll link it upstream
[13:55] <smb> h00k, cool, thanks
[14:06] <h00k> smb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/575774
[14:06] <ubot3> Malone bug 575774 in linux "2.6.32-21-generic CE: hpet increasing min_delta_ns flood" [Undecided,New]
[14:11] <bigcx2> hey all, is there a way to disable APIC in <IP_ADDRESS>?
[14:11] <bigcx2> there's no option for it in menuconfig
[14:12] <bigcx2> and when i try to set CONFIG_X86_LOCAL_APIC as no in my config, as soon as i do make oldconfig it overwrites it with yes
[14:13] <bigcx2> and then, trying to set it as no in arch/x86/Kconfig makes my kernel build fail with
[14:13] <bigcx2> arch/x86/kernel/tsc.c: In function ‘unsynchronized_tsc’:
[14:13] <bigcx2> arch/x86/kernel/tsc.c:827: error: implicit declaration of function ‘apic_is_clustered_box’
[14:14] <bigcx2> the same thing happens with <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:14] <mjg59> nolapic on the kernel command line
[14:14] <mjg59> Or noapic if you want to disable the i/o apic
[14:15] <bigcx2> mjg59: i tried that...the problem is i'm trying to build a RTAI kernel
[14:15] <bigcx2> and RTAI complains about it being enabled in the config and then not being available/enabled
[14:15] <bigcx2> so that doesn't work for me
[14:15] <bigcx2> so there's no way to build any of the latest kernels without apic?
[14:16] <bigcx2> that's what it looks like
[14:16] <mjg59> Only if you turn off SMP. But I believe that that's always been the case.
[14:17] <bigcx2> hm.
[14:17] <bigcx2> i don't need smp, lemme give that a shot
[14:17] <mjg59> Also, it has to be a 32-bit build
[14:17] <bigcx2> it is
[14:23] <bigcx2> mjg59: i think that worked, thanks
[15:04] <apw> psurbhi, hey ... that unmount patch upstream suggested, any idea when you might get that tested?
[15:04] <psurbhi> apw, i will do it today evening/today morning.. shall send it out soon
[15:05] <apw> psurbhi, cool, only as ask kees is asking about reverting the current work around as it has some other side effects he doesn't like, and if we make a change i'd like to do both together to make the SRU people not explode
[15:05] <psurbhi> apw, ack
[15:07] <pmatulis> is this the proper procedure for updating an initramfs using a live cd?:
[15:07] <pmatulis> boot, mount the partition containing /boot, mount it (say on /mnt), then 'chroot /mnt update-initramfs -u -k <kernel version>'
[15:07] <apw> smb, what was the thing about running update-initramfs which was 'negative' ?
[15:08] <smb> apw, Someone *claimed* it would then not be done on normal updates, but I really did not think this happened to me ever
[15:08] <apw> ah ok, then i suspect that is the right way to do it
[15:11] <pmatulis> what if /usr is on a separate partition?
[15:11] <smb> I thinks so. I don't see any reason why this should be bad, given that it initrd is _always_ automatically build this way. Maybe I am wrong but I have never received a good explanation on why
[15:11] <apw> gah, pmatulis you would need to mount all the normal things in there
[15:11] <apw> if /usr is separate mount that, likely you need to mount /proc too
[15:12] <smb> I guess at least proc and /dev too
[15:12] <apw> do people still split /usr these days?
[15:12] <pmatulis> apw: so enter chroot and then mount those partitions?
[15:12] <apw> yeah after the chroot
[15:12] <smb> apw, Sounds even more anal than I am
[15:12] <apw> indeed, something not to be tollerated :)
[15:13] <smb> Heh, well, maybe there could be reasons, like to make it ro
[15:14] <pmatulis> but the shell is not available in the /boot chroot
[15:14] <smb> But at least for a while I did it but ended always up with too little space in either /usr or /opt and then just gave up. Maybe by now online expansion of file system works...
[15:15] <smb> pmatulis, Is even /bin in another partition or only /usr?
[15:16] <pmatulis> only /usr
[15:17] <smb> pmatulis, I guess you need to mount everything into /mnt the intentional / (maybe not /usr) and /proc and /dev
[15:17] <smb> and /boot
[15:18] <smb> Thats what I usually do:
[15:18] <smb> mount /dev/x /mnt (root partition)
[15:18] <smb> mount /dev/y /mnt/boot
[15:19] <smb> mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
[15:19] <smb> mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc
[15:19] <smb> chroot /mnt
[15:20] <pmatulis> ok, that looks reasonable.  all this b/c apparently there is a problem with 2.6.32-22 whereby initramfs is not updated after kernel upgrade.  still not confirmed
[15:20] <pmatulis> smb: 6
[15:21] <pmatulis> smb: heh, ^^^
[15:22]  * smb fall out of his parser at b/c and 6
[15:23]  * psurbhi got a dr appointment - quits for today
[15:23] <pmatulis> smb: ?
[15:23] <apw> b/c == because
[15:23] <smb> pmatulis, I fail to translate b/c and have no idea what 6 meant
[15:23] <smb> apw, ahh
[15:24] <apw> and 6 is what ^ is without shift accidentally
[15:24] <apw> on a UK/US keyboard
[15:24] <pmatulis> apw: you rock
[15:24] <apw> i have seen smb's keyboard :)
[15:24] <smb> apw, You get the personal translator award. :)
[15:24] <apw> heh ... :)
[15:25] <smb> apw, Its all sensible (at least to me)
[15:25] <apw> i work with a lot of foreign people with non-native english speakers predominating
[15:26] <apw> pmatulis, not seen that here for sure on any of my machines
[15:26] <apw> as they really wounldn't boot well without initramds
[15:26] <smb> pmatulis, Ok, so to get back to the issue... :-P I have the feeling this happens from time to time (not kernel related) but cannot say what is the trigger
[15:26] <smb> Actually I rather saw this happen with update-grub
[15:27] <apw> smb, actually i do have a theory ...
[15:27] <apw> when i did this recent upgrade it did install more than one kernel
[15:27]  * smb is all ears
[15:27] <apw> arn't initramfss generated as a 'delayed' dpkg triggery thing?
[15:27] <pmatulis> maybe it has to do with update-grub then
[15:27] <apw> and that actually only does the 'latest' one
[15:27] <apw> so we might in theory miss one therre, though not the one you should be using of course
[15:27] <apw> hrm
[15:28] <smb> I think that would be the intention.
[15:29] <smb> Its probably hard to get all the special cases right
[15:29] <smb> as the initrd update is also triggered by essential userspace changing
[15:29] <smb> like installing lvm or updating udev
[15:30] <smb> That you would only want to do on the 'current' kernel
[15:30] <smb> but installing a new kernel obviously needs it all the time
[15:32] <smb> pmatulis, My update-grub issue would 'only' be not seeing the new kernel. The initrd was there as far as I remember
[15:32] <smb> So it might be two things
[15:32] <pmatulis> smb: forgot to mention something
[15:32] <pmatulis> smb: the problem purportedly manifests itself when using LVM
[15:33] <pmatulis> smb: it's the lvm2 module that is missing from the initrd
[15:33] <pmatulis> smb: using ext4, not sure if that is important
[15:34] <smb> Is that installing lvm2 without a kernel update?
[15:36] <smb> If the kernel is also updated at the same time, this might be a third problem we sometimes see: kernel is updated/installed->initrd is (re-)generated. lvm2 is installed at the same time but initrd is not regenerated because it thinks this is already done.
[15:36] <pmatulis> smb: no, LVM is in use on disk
[15:37] <smb> pmatulis, Then we should wait for the results of running update-initramfs manually. If that still fails to include lvm2 it is a problem there
[15:38] <pmatulis> smb: alright, will report back
[15:46] <JFo> ogasawara, interested in this bug? It's an old one. bug 45021
[15:46] <ubot3> Malone bug 45021 in linux-source-2.6.22 "including "omnibook" module would help with ACPI support on HP laptops" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45021
[15:46] <JFo> anyone have an idea who needs to see bug 574184
[15:46] <ubot3> Malone bug 574184 in linux "Bad signatures for 10.04 installer validation: MD5SUM SHA1SUM SHA256SUM" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574184
[15:46] <JFo> apparently the DVD ISOs have bad signatures
[15:48] <smb> JFo, maybe cjwatson or slangasek directly?
[15:49] <JFo> smb, ta
[15:51] <apw> JFo, yeah bring that up on ubuntu-devel,
[15:52] <JFo> apw, done
[15:55] <JFo> apw, or were you thinking that was a bad idea?
[15:55] <apw> no it is the right thing.  thats a case of someone using linux to mean 'the whole thing' not the 'kernel'
[15:55] <JFo> right
[15:55] <JFo> thought so\
[15:56] <JFo> here is an interesting bug 575518
[15:56] <ubot3> Malone bug 575518 in linux "linux kernel contains GPL violations" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/575518
[15:56]  * smb closes eyes and ears
[15:58] <mjg59> JFo: It's entirely unclear whether including those objects is something other than mere aggregation
[15:58] <apw> smb, its the remaining inbuilt firmwares
[15:58] <apw> as they come directly from linus' tree i am less worried about it
[15:58] <JFo> same here
[15:58] <JFo> but I wanted to bring it up
[15:58] <persia> Isn't fixing that 90% just editing debian/copyright?
[15:59] <apw> JFo, pgraner has the lead on all firmware related issues so i would get him on the case
[15:59] <persia> so that the entirety of the source *isn't* claimed GPL?
[15:59] <JFo> apw, that is the plan :)
[15:59]  * persia thought someone went through that pain about 18 months ago already
[15:59] <mjg59> persia: No, large quantities of the source tree aren't GPL
[15:59] <mjg59> persia: THere's a lot of it that's BSD, for instance
[15:59] <JFo> pgraner, you there my captain?
[15:59] <mjg59> And some dual GPL/MPL
[15:59] <apw> persia, for the majority of consumers  i suspect so yes, though i suspect from the reports tenor that they will not be happy to install a kernel which pulls them in
[15:59] <JFo> yeah, sounds like they want the option to leave them out
[16:00] <apw> persia, someone did for the main firmware packages, not for the small inbuilt ones
[16:00] <persia> mjg59: I still think it's largely a documentation issue, but I may be mistaken.  That said, most BSD stuff becomes GPL when integrated with GPL stuff, doesn't it?
[16:00] <persia> apw: Ah, that makes sense.
[16:00] <mjg59> persia: No, BSD stuff remains BSD
[16:00] <persia> OK.
[16:00] <mjg59> persia: But that's fine, because the BSD license doesn't confer any restrictions above and beyond the GPL
[16:01] <apw> only doing GPL things with BSD ensures you don't violate BSD cause its essentially a superset of the GPL rights
[16:01] <persia> Right.  I'm confusing license-of-the-compiled-binary-package and license-of-the-compiled-binary-objects.
[16:02] <pmatulis> smb: bad news:
[16:02] <pmatulis> mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
[16:02] <apw> all thats said i thought there was a driver to pull them all out to loadable status, not sure if that has occured yet
[16:02] <mjg59> apw: It's happening gradually
[16:02] <apw> thought as much, not sure when it slated to be 'done'
[16:02] <smb> pmatulis, You need to install lvm2 to the live image
[16:02] <apw> as us trying to preceed is plain bonkers :)
[16:02] <mjg59> apw: That said, I think that analysis is wrong in places
[16:03] <ogra> apw, will anyone from the kernel team merge initramfs-tools ?
[16:03] <apw> ogra, do what ?
[16:03] <apw> ogra, as in sync it from debian ?
[16:03] <ogra> apw, merge the initramfs-tools package
[16:03] <ogra> yes
[16:03] <mjg59> apw: In fact, it *is* wrong in places
[16:03] <ogra> not *sync*
[16:03] <ogra> that needs heavy-lifting merge work :)
[16:03] <apw> normally foundations has done that IIRC
[16:03] <mjg59> drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aic79xx.seq is *source* and comes with a GPL compatible license
[16:04] <ogra> ah, kernel-team is the owner since lucid
[16:04] <mjg59> The toolchain for it is *included in the kernel source*
[16:04] <apw> yeah it does appear to be a list of all files not called .c
[16:05] <apw> and following his links its to the radical end of the alarmist world
[16:06] <mjg59> drivers/scsi/sym53c8xx_2/sym_fw1.h looks pretty like source to me
[16:06] <apw> 'its not free software because i cannot understand it'
[16:06] <apw> not 'its not free because i am not allowed to distribute it freely'
[16:08] <ogasawara> JFo: I took care of that bug - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/45021/comments/34
[16:08] <ubot3> Malone bug 45021 in linux-source-2.6.22 "including "omnibook" module would help with ACPI support on HP laptops" [Medium,Won't fix]
[16:08] <apw> JFo, we can talk to pete next week about it i recon
[16:08] <apw> i don't see it being a major issue
[16:08] <JFo> cool
[16:08] <JFo> yeah, no big, just wanted to provide the head's up
[16:09] <apw> yeah i think most of it is non-pragmatic and we are not in any real danger there, but its for the lawyers not 'us' to take a position and thats petes end of the world
[16:11] <manjo> ogasawara, omnibook is under ubuntu/
[16:12] <ogasawara> manjo: right, which is why I marked it Fix Released
[16:12] <ogasawara> manjo: and posted the reasoning in the comment
[16:12]  * apw waves to manjo
[16:12]  * manjo waves back to apw
[16:13] <manjo> ogasawara, right.
[16:14] <pgraner> JFo: you can close that bug
[16:15] <pgraner> JFo: we created linux-firmware-nonfree to address that
[16:15] <pgraner> JFo: I forgot to close it
[16:15] <JFo> pgraner, I think apw was indicating it was things that were not in nonfree
[16:16] <JFo> ogasawara, thanks, just now saw your response above
[16:16] <manjo> apw, any plans for suspend resume this cycle ? except for freq based reporting which I moved to this cycle ?
[16:16] <apw> i suspect that given his desire to point out nonfree in his bug, that that would placate him
[16:16] <JFo> apw, cool
[16:16] <apw> curtainly worth saying we now have that same as debian, and firmware has been cleaned up and recategorised
[16:16] <JFo> I'll write up something
[16:16] <pgraner> apw: ack
[16:17]  * pgraner is off to find food
[16:17] <JFo> enjoy
[16:38] <JFo> apw, just reading your e-mail re:KMS Bugs... dude, you read my mind and actually created the tag I was thinking of using... scary. :)
[16:39] <apw> jfo you need a thicker tin helmet
[16:39] <JFo> indeed
[16:39] <JFo> and some aluminium lining :)
[16:44] <cking> great minds and all that
[16:46] <kees> apw: which patch did surbhi see as helping fix the umount stalls?
[16:54] <smb> kees, The one you found causing the slow downs afaik
[16:54] <kees> smb: no, I mean, what's the proposed new solution?
[16:54] <apw> kees, thats not been found, mearly me requesting she test the patch as proposed at the end of the upstream bug
[16:55] <smb> kees, She is currently looking into the patch that was proposed in the upstream bugzilla
[16:55] <apw> to see if it is the fix or not
[16:55] <kees> okay, right, I wanted to direct attention there if it wasn't already known, but it is, so good.
[16:55] <kees> I'm glad to at least understand the trigger (boundaries)
[16:56] <ogasawara> smb: what was the keybinding incantation you had in your .vimrc file?
[16:56] <achiang> there's this too: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-ext4/msg18780.html
[16:56] <achiang> kees: ^^
[16:56] <smb> ogasawara, A second (if apw is not again faster)
[16:58] <smb> ogasawara, map =F :call Finalise()<ctrl-m>
[16:58] <ogasawara> smb: awesome, thanks
[16:58] <kees> achiang: ooh, yeah
[16:58] <smb> ogasawara, The ctrl-m is ctrl-v+ctrl-m
[16:59] <smb> ogasawara, map =N :call NewVersion()^M^[:call Finalise()^M''A
[17:01] <smb> ogasawara, Thats probably better to describe what you see. ^M and ^[ are control sequences
[17:07] <pmatulis> re fix-committed for karmic in bug 513848, wondering when it will become fix-released
[17:07] <ubot3> Malone bug 513848 in linux "[karmic] CPU load not being reported accurately" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513848
[17:07] <apw> smb, that one i think is acked and applied, when is the next -proposed going in?
[17:08] <smb> apw, Somewhen after the next round of security
[17:08] <smb> IOW don't know, yet
[17:08] <apw> ahh a while then
[17:08] <smb> I hope not too long
[17:08] <pmatulis> a few weeks?
[17:09] <smb> pmatulis, yeah, given UDS interruption
[17:09] <pmatulis> smb: alrighty then
[17:10] <ogasawara> smb, apw: I think my ping yesterday missed you guys, but did we accidentally lose this commit in Lucid? - "UBUNTU: [Config] Add atl1c to nic-modules udeb"
[17:11] <ogasawara> smb, apw: kernel-team ml thread was "Lucid pull request, SRU lp557130" from rtg
[17:11] <apw> ogasawara, i thought that was Fix Committed
[17:11] <smb> ogasawara, Thought I did that. lemme check i messed up to push
[17:13] <smb> ogasawara, Hm, I might have forgotten to push. i see it locally but not remotely
[17:14] <smb> ogasawara, I am in the middle of a am sequence the. Give me a few min and I push it
[17:14] <ogasawara> smb: ok cool.  no hurry.
[17:19] <smb> ogasawara, ok, pushed. Sorry for that
[17:19] <ogasawara> smb: thanks
[17:20] <JFo> you go ogasawara crack that whip ;-0
[17:20]  * JFo grumbles about his shift key
[17:21] <ogasawara> JFo: heh, I'd have not even noticed it had tim not nudged me when he sent the patch mentioning I'd want it for Maverick
[17:21] <JFo> ah
[17:23] <cking> shift key?
[17:25] <vanhoof> pgraner-afk: ping
[17:29] <apw> cking, 0 -> )
[17:30] <JFo> heh, sorry, should have been more clear
[17:30] <smb> apw is universal keyboard translator today
[17:30] <JFo> indeed
[17:30]  * JFo applauds apw
[17:31] <smb> In my world this would have been 0 -> =
[17:31] <apw> smb, :)
[17:32]  * smb is away to have some fun
[17:35] <cking> heh, 3 hours to print a map on my Brother laser printer. That's what I call painful
[17:37] <manjo> cking, how big is the map ?
[17:39] <cking> manjo, not that big - my laser printer has a small buffer, and rendering images takes forever
[17:39] <cking> my fail for buying a lame printer
[18:00] <JFo> <-lunch
[18:04]  * manjo looks towards the kitchen
[18:05] <cking> always thinking of food?
[18:09] <manjo> :)
[18:10]  * apw is at the moment (food!)
[18:10] <cking> bah, now I'm hungry
[18:10] <apw> cking, it _is_ dinner time, yours must be burned by now
[18:16] <cking> ..just one more bug...
[18:30] <manjo> apw, I guess you missed my Q earlier... I am wondering if you have any thoughts for a suspend/resume blueprint? I can think of frequency based reporting that I moved to this cycke
[18:30]  * apw notes that PPA's have a delete button all of a sudden
[18:31] <apw> i don't think we ahve any plans for detailed work do we?
[18:31] <apw> seems excessive to have a whole blueprint for one item like that
[18:31] <apw> we have talked about having a catchall blueprint for those
[18:32] <apw> for those small items which would be too small to warrent their own
[18:32] <cking> hehe, my neighbour just drove their car up the driver and nearly eliminated a tory councillor  delivering leaflets
[18:33] <cking> s/driver/drive/
[18:33] <apw> sounds worthy to me
[18:34] <manjo> apw, yep that works for me
[18:39] <apw> manjo, so just keep it in mind and i'll get one made
[18:40] <kro> which special options do I need in my kernel to be able to boot a ubuntu 10.04 userland?
[18:40] <kro> so far I found out I need devtmpfs
[18:40] <kro> and I have to remove ureadahead
[18:40] <apw> yep ureadahead needs some patches from the ubuntu kernel
[18:40] <kro> but I still can't boot a vanilla kernel on a fresh 10.04 :-/
[18:41] <apw> i generally build mine with the lucid config
[18:41] <kro> systems get stuck during mountall/upstart-udev-bridge/udev
[18:41] <apw> perhaps you don't have unix domain sockets built in?
[18:42] <kro> that's not an option here :-/
[18:42] <apw> why so?
[18:43] <apw> pretty sure something like that is used for mountall
[18:43] <kro> CONFIG_ what would that be?
[18:44] <kro> because it's some sort of company kernel... I can askto have some options added or removed, but I can't change the whole conf
[18:44]  * apw checks what it is that it uses
[18:44] <kro> (running on several thousand servers)
[18:44] <apw> so you can change the whole of userspace ?
[18:46] <apw> kro CONFIG_UNIX would be unix domain sockets
[18:46] <kro> ah, nope, that one's =y
[18:46] <apw> hrm ok
[18:47] <apw> probabally need to ask the upstart people what its needing
[18:47] <apw> keybuk is the ubuntu maintainer there
[18:48] <kro> but right, upstart-udev-bridge seems to hang on some socket related stuff...
[18:48] <abogani> kro: CONFIG_CONNECTOR?
[18:48] <kro> bingo.
[18:48] <kro> do I need that?
[18:49] <apw> thats =y for distro and =m for ports and i assume both boot
[18:49] <apw> what you got there?
[18:49] <kro> I got "is not set", i see lucid's kernel is =y
[18:50]  * apw has no idea if that is used, abogani is that something known needed for upstart?
[18:51] <apw> oh yeah that looks like something upstart would need to wait for its children
[18:51] <kro> Connector - unified userspace <-> kernelspace linker
[18:51] <kro> sounds good
[18:51] <kro> thx, I'll give it a try
[18:53] <abogani> apw: I'm not sure but I noticed some days ago a strange use of netlink for upstart/udev comunication.
[18:53] <apw> looking at the description i think that upstart uses it for all child instantiation and tracking
[18:55] <abogani> Sorry for (big) off-topic. I hope that no one flame me for that.
[18:55]  * abogani wonders if there are in this channel someone could offers him some sort of job.
[18:55] <abogani> Thanks in advance!
[18:56] <apw> all our jobs are listed on the web site
[19:06] <manjo> apw, if lsusb lists a bluetooth device, that means the kernel is able to recognize the device correct ?
[19:23] <cnd> apw, smb, ogasawara: does a config enforce addition require a bug and an SRU (for lucid)?
[19:23] <cnd> JFo:  I keep getting emails about bug 521967, so I decided to take a look
[19:23] <ubot3> Malone bug 521967 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 "support for new atheros wifi chipset - AR2427/ath9k" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521967
[19:23] <cnd> JFo: it seems there's an upstream patch that was CC'd to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but it hasn't been accepted for over two months
[19:23] <apw> build system changes arn't SRU material, but a bug makes sense
[19:23] <cnd> JFo: I'm kinda busy with hwe, but maybe you could find someone to take a quick look at it?
[19:23] <JFo> nice
[19:23] <JFo> I'll see what i can do cnd
[19:24] <cnd> JFo: thanks
[19:24] <JFo> my pleasure
[19:26] <JFo> hmmm
[19:26] <ogasawara> cnd: hrm, even though it does seem a bit overkill for enforcing a config option, I'd say it needs to follow the same rules for all changes being applied to Lucid.  So yes, a bug and an SRU.
[19:26] <ogasawara> cnd: but I'd check with smb first as he's the official gatekeeper for Lucid
[19:27] <JFo> cnd, that ath9k bug would explain why I have seen a veritable flood of ath9k issues
[19:27] <cnd> JFo: potentially
[19:37] <cking-afk> by
[19:37] <cking-afk> bye
[19:44] <manjo> ogasawara, when apport collects lspci and lsusb outputs, May be we should collect it will -vv flags
[19:44] <cnd> ogasawara: do I need to do anything to have the patch I just sent for lucid also applied to maverick?
[19:44] <ogasawara> cnd: nah, just mention you want it applied for maverick and I'll pull it
[19:45] <cnd> ogasawara: k, thanks
[19:45] <ogasawara> manjo: I thought it did use the -vv flags for lspci (not sure about lsusb)
[19:45] <ogasawara> manjo: I'm sure pitti would take patches :)
[19:46] <manjo> ogasawara, I think it does not collect lsusb right now
[19:46] <manjo> ogasawara, also dmidecode information will be useful especially dealing with bios bugs
[19:47] <apw> dmidecode is tricky cause we cannot run root things
[19:47] <ogasawara> manjo: yep, what apw said
[19:47] <apw> there is a file containing the output at boot think, and that may be taken i forget
[19:47] <ogasawara> manjo: I thought it might inject some bits into the bug description
[19:48] <manjo> ogasawara, ah yes it does
[19:49] <manjo> lsusb -v needs to be run as root to collect complete info, other wise it will say permission denied for some info
[20:01] <manjo> nvidia driver seems to be trash.. I see a lot of reports where it takes more than 8sec to resume
[20:08] <apw> manjo, yep, radeon seems to take 10s here for me
[20:10] <manjo> I am trying to understand the bits and pieces of nvidia in the src... there is drivers/video/nvidia and drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau
[20:11] <abogani> I suspect than a lot of magic happens in blob...
[20:11] <abogani> By the way, When we'll know what is the final version of kernel used in Maverick?
[20:12] <ogasawara> abogani: next thurs, tbd at UDS
[20:12] <abogani> ogasawara: Thanks.
[20:15] <akgraner> apw et al you awesome kernel people's :-) 1500 UTC Kernel Q &A Session for open week :-)  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[20:16] <apw> ogasawara, we need to get a possy together for that, you making it ?
[20:16] <ogasawara> apw: yep, I'll be there
[20:16] <JFo> akgraner, that is tomorrow, yes?
[20:16] <akgraner> yeppers
[20:16] <JFo> I'll be there if that matters
[20:16] <JFo> :)
[20:16] <akgraner> JFo, that will be 1100 your time :-)
[20:17] <JFo> k
[20:17]  * JFo plans coffee early
[20:17] <apw> who is going to take point, akgraner i assume you are running the show
[20:17] <akgraner> apw, nah I just help :-)
[20:17] <JFo> snort*
[20:17] <JFo> errr
[20:17] <akgraner> but yeah I'll be there and can drive the bot if you all want me too
[20:18] <apw> ogasawara, you've done one of these before haven't you ... i'm clueless
[20:18] <ogasawara> hrm, we should have some talking points
[20:18] <JFo> well, it is Q & A
[20:18] <JFo> so they ask, we answer?
[20:18] <akgraner> ogasawara, if you want to add some slides put them in pdf format and shoot me the link to them
[20:18] <apw> we might want some basic questions lined up to kick things off
[20:18] <ogasawara> JFo: yah, but they sometimes need a little push
[20:18] <JFo> good point
[20:18] <akgraner> we can get them added to your session as well
[20:19] <apw> ogasawara, remember those slides we did for pete
[20:19] <apw> that was all questions and answers
[20:19] <cnd_mini> ogasawara: what do the different colors on the kernel track uds schedule mean?
[20:19] <ogasawara> apw: hrm, I don't recall those
[20:19] <apw> when you wake up normally UTC ?
[20:19] <JFo> cnd_mini, there is a schedule?
[20:19] <ogasawara> cnd_mini: the colors usually group by track - ie the kernel is that yellow/orange color
[20:20]  * JFo would like to see
[20:20] <ogasawara> JFo: summit.ubuntu.com
[20:20] <apw> i am not sure i can be bothered tonight, but i can look them out tommororow
[20:20] <JFo> ogasawara, thanks
[20:20] <ogasawara> apw, akgraner: I never usually prepared slides
[20:20] <cnd_mini> ogasawara: ahhh, thanks
[20:20] <apw> ogasawara, i didn't mean as slides, more as potential basic questions we might ask each other if noone else has any to start with
[20:20] <JFo> odd that is still shows me as not registered to attend
[20:21] <ogasawara> apw: I'm usually up around 14:30 UTC, but I'll get up a little earlier tomorrow so we're prepared
[20:21] <akgraner> with classbot and lernid sessions can now have slides - was just letting ya know
[20:21] <akgraner> :-)
[20:21] <akgraner> just in case
[20:21] <ogasawara> apw: I'll throw together some general Q & A in an email today
[20:21] <apw> akgraner, do i need to do anything other trhan use xchat in those two channels?
[20:21] <ogasawara> apw: then maybe we can mumble in the morning
[20:22] <ogasawara> apw: that's all I ever needed
[20:22] <apw> ogasawara, you are something of a hearo
[20:22] <akgraner> apw, you may want to use lernid
[20:22] <akgraner> that way you can see both channels at the same time
[20:22] <akgraner> side by side
[20:22] <apw> i can see both with xchat too :)
[20:22] <akgraner> ok  then you are good to go :-)
[20:25] <ogasawara> akgraner: tomorrow could you op both apw and I so we both can post to #ubuntu-classroom
[20:25] <JFo> sweet!
[20:25] <akgraner> yep
[20:25]  * JFo gets out of it
[20:26] <akgraner> kirkland, are you all good to go for the Server Q & A for 1600 UTC tomorrow as well? or do I need to pop into another channel and ask?
[20:39]  * ogasawara lunch
[21:18] <cnd_mini> sconklin: I just sent you my key for the uds key signing session, but I had to do it using msmtp directly, so can you verify everything looks ok?
[21:18] <sconklin> looking
[21:20] <sconklin> looks ok. The mailer even recognized it and asked if I wanted to import it
[21:20] <cnd_mini> ahh cool
[21:20] <sconklin> If there's a problem I can always get it from you directly at UDS before Wed
[21:20] <sconklin> I'm still frantically working on a demo of the patch tracking stuff and slides in case I get picked for a plenary presentation
[21:21] <cnd_mini> well, now I know how to send attachments using the cmdline :)
[21:22] <cnd> I've been working nonstop on oem stuff...
[21:23] <sconklin> cnd: I totally understand
[21:23] <cnd> I think things should be quieted down now though, at least for a bit
[21:28] <JFo> cnd, I have not yet gotten anyone to look over that bug
[21:28] <JFo> <-slack
[21:29] <cnd> JFo: np, consider it just a wish
[21:29] <JFo> heh
[21:29] <cnd> I don't really care other than to quiet the people down
[21:29] <JFo> yeah
[21:29] <JFo> I understand
[21:31] <mrec> hey, does anyone know is there something like a broadcast message available before a system goes into hibernation?
[21:31] <JFo> mrec, you mean to users?
[21:32] <mrec> yes, I need to close and restart an application (as root) when this happens
[21:32] <JFo> I'm not aware of anything
[21:32] <JFo> but then, others are more knowledgeable
[21:32] <mrec> it's a problem for live data..
[21:32] <mrec> as long as the notebook is down it will miss the data and after it wakes up the data is corrupted
[21:33] <JFo> I see
[21:35] <mjg59> mrec: There isn't. The easiest thing is for you to drop a script fragment into pm-utils.
[21:37] <mrec> hmm ok this works for ubuntu
[21:38] <mrec> I guess this is absolutely messed up and every distribution has its own path for this
[21:38] <mrec> but it helps alot for ubuntu thanks
[22:15] <kamal> mjg59: Hi - yesterday you kindly pointed me to i915_opregion.c as a possible solution to the Dell Studio 1558's non-functional DSDT brightness control -- may I update you on my progress and where I'm stuck?
[22:15] <mjg59> Sure!
[22:15]  * kamal pastes away...
[22:15] <kamal> Today I hacked up some test code where I arrange for i915_driver_irq_handler() to call asle_set_backlight() based on a global that I stuff in the acpi/video brightness code ...
[22:15] <kamal> Additional printk's show that my hack does end up calling asle_set_backlight() in response to the brightness keys and that routine returns 0 (success) -- but alas, there is no effect on the actual backlight brightness.
[22:15] <kamal> Should I expect asle_set_backlight() to "just work" on anything that supports opregion?  Or perhaps there's some additional opregion setup steps that I'm supposed to be doing first?
[22:15] <kamal> (Side note: I also tested moving the misplaced _BCM routine where I thought it was supposed to go -- that did make the acpi/video driver happier, but that _BCM routine doesn't actually affect the brightness either.  Further experiments showed that the registers that _BCM sets just don't any visible effect).
[22:15] <kamal> mjg59: ^^ Any advice will be most appreciated.
[22:16] <mjg59> kamal: Ok, unless Dell are doing something *very* odd then the writes should probably work
[22:17] <mjg59> kamal: Can you check which registers asle_set_backlight() is hitting?
[22:17] <kirkland> akgraner: i cannot do that
[22:17] <kirkland> akgraner: will need to get someone else
[22:17] <kirkland> akgraner: try mathiaz, zul, or smoser
[22:17] <mjg59> Oh, hang on
[22:18] <mjg59> kamal: More to the point, what's getting passed to asle_set_backlight in the bclp argument?
[22:19] <kamal> mjg59: :-)  I was careful to pass in :    (  (1<<31)  |  mybrightnessvalue  )   where mybrightnessvalue ranges from e.g. 0 to 100 (I see that it accepts 0 to 255 range)
[22:19] <kamal> mjg59:  I do check that asle_set_backlight returns 0, which it only does if it gets all the way through.
[22:20] <mjg59> kamal: Yeah, ok. So I guess you get to make sure that it's writing the registers
[22:20] <kamal> mjg59: ... this was all of course after missing the ASLE_BCLK_VALID check the first time ;-)  but yes, its writing the registers
[22:21] <mjg59> kamal: Hrm.
[22:21] <mjg59> kamal: Oh...
[22:21] <mjg59> kamal: asle_set_backlight_ironlake()
[22:21] <mjg59> I bet that'll help things
[22:21] <kamal> mjg59: Doh!  I noticed that yesterday, and wondered, but then forgot about it!
[22:22] <mjg59> This is an i5?
[22:22] <kamal> mjg59: yes, an i5.
[22:22] <mjg59> Yeah
[22:22] <kamal> yeah
[22:22] <mjg59> Needs to be the ironlake version
[22:22] <kamal> :-) Ok, I'll take another spin at it.  I'll let you know!
[22:34] <kamal> mjg59: Bingo!  it works perfectly!
[22:35] <kamal> (well, as perfectly as a horrid hack should work at least)
[22:35] <mjg59> kamal: Heh
[22:36] <mjg59> kamal: Ok, so now you just need to add a callback registration function to video.c and have i915 set that up before it calls acpi_video_register()
[22:36] <mjg59> Then if that's set, use it rather than calling _BCM or _BCL
[22:38] <kamal> mjg59: ok got it -- I'll let you know when I have that ready for review -- thanks very much for your help with this.
[22:38] <mjg59> No problem
[22:38] <mjg59> Saves me having to write it
[22:43] <kamal> mjg59: I'll need some guidance about how we can detect whether opregion-brightness-control is supported ...  and will we want to let i915 take over brightness control by default?  Anyway, I'll get working on the callback-based functionality and then we/you can figure out when to enable it.
[22:44] <mjg59> kamal: If you're in i915_opregion_init() then it's probably supported - there's some error checking through there
[22:44] <kamal> mjg59: is it the case that all devices which support opregion will support the backlight control mechanism?
[22:45] <mjg59> You might want to check the spec
[22:45] <mjg59> I expect so, since it's about the only useful thing opregion gives you
[22:46] <kamal> mjg59: :-)  ok got it -- anyway I'll focus on getting the callback working.  thanks again!