[00:00] <escott> SierraAR_Web, if you hover over the exclamation mark does it say anything
[00:00] <escott> SierraAR_Web, that could be your swap but it should say its swap
[00:00] <SierraAR_Web> escott: Nothing when I hover. But when I go to information, it says unable to detect file system
[00:01] <d4rkh4nd8> Having a issue connecting my ipod touch 4. I get these mesg (Location is already mounted)  and   Unhandled Lockdown error (-17)
[00:01] <escott> SierraAR_Web, my guess is that was meant to be swap but got broken
[00:02] <escott> SierraAR_Web, you might see if there is an entry in the main systems fstab for it, and if not mkswap it, and add it to the fstab
[00:02] <escott> SierraAR_Web, but clearly not crucial since you havent noticed
[00:02] <SierraAR_Web> escott: I have no idea what fstab would be
[00:02] <SierraAR_Web> Havent noticed any issues with anything in regards to system errors or performance
[00:03] <blackshirt> !fstab
[00:03] <SierraAR_Web> Is it normal that the partition I just created has 66MB used?
[00:03] <d4rkh4nd8> Anyone know how to connect ipod touch to pc using ubuntu ?
[00:04] <SierraAR_Web> blackshirt: thanks
[00:04] <thekkid> d4rkh4nd8: to do what?
[00:04] <SierraAR_Web> I'm going to bounce back to using the HDD, brb
[00:13] <Wolowitz> pt br ?
[00:13] <jrib> !pt | Wolowitz
[00:17] <mrpostman> can anyone help me?
[00:17] <jrib> !ask | mrpostman
[00:19] <mrpostman> I cant seem to get ubuntu to fine my parallel port
[00:23] <alouwa>  #evilzone
[00:24] <SierraAR> Yay it worked
[00:26] <d4rkh4nd8> Anyone able to help me mount my ipod touch PLEASE !
[00:29] <gogeta> bo
[00:30] <SierraAR> Thanks escott
[00:45] <Dakeech> Hello, I am experiencing a bug with my audio when I play Youtube videos. It randomly mutes and unmutes by itself. Any help would be appreciated.
[00:51] <MK``> Where's the force kill program in 11.10?
[00:51] <jrib> MK``: use kill, pkill, or xkill
[00:51] <lockster> Dakeech: Hello, I'm not sure what could cause that, but you could try this: http://mylinuxnotebook.blogspot.com.ar/2008/11/ubuntu-810-flash-sound-problem.html
[00:53] <isoman2kx> how do I run FSCK from a ubuntu cd?
[00:53] <isoman2kx> keeps asking me for a password
[00:53] <isoman2kx> lol
[00:54] <xangua> lockster: doubt a post from 3 years ago is helpful :P
[00:54] <xangua> 4 years ago :P
[00:55] <isoman2kx> hmm?>
[00:56] <Lachezar> Hey all... My Ubuntu Server LTS upgrade went rather well, but I broke /etc/sudoers trying to migrate it.
[00:56] <isoman2kx> how to run FSCK in ubuntu CD?
[00:57] <Lachezar> I can not start the recovery console from GRUB: it just boots the default configuration, and does not allow me to select boot options: How do I run the recovery console, or add parameters to the kernel with this GRUB?
[00:57] <Lachezar> isoman2kx: Boot the CD, open a console and execute 'fsck /dev/whatever'
[00:58] <local> python KeyError??? http://bpaste.net/show/sb4kloHDkzZvf6jsro15/             https://github.com/jmunsch/markov_manifestos/blob/master/markov/markovgen.py
[01:00] <insecticide> having trouble installing i tunes on ubuntu 10.04 using wine any Ideas ?
[01:02] <Lachezar> Argh... NVM. Holding SHIFT made it pop the boot menu, but I needed a few tries (since I only have KVM).
[01:02] <jrib> Lachezar: that's strange that recovery mode would not run recovery mode.  Did you check what the grub line actually looks like?  ANyway, you can try ... oh ok
[01:02] <[Saint]> Does anyone have a suggestion as to what I may be able to do to debug why my machine refuses to wake from hibernate in 12.10 64 bit, but will with 12.10 32 bit?
[01:02] <MK``> jrib thank you
[01:02] <[Saint]> Running a 32 bit distro for the sake of hibernation really isn't an option.
[01:03] <xyzone> [Saint], is it a desktop?
[01:03] <[Saint]> xyzone: correct.
[01:04] <xyzone> [Saint], many are just buggy
[01:04] <xyzone> with suspend
[01:04] <[Saint]> I managed to get suspend to play nice, but hibernation just refuses to do its thing.
[01:04] <[Saint]> previous, without some poking, suspend failed also.
[01:05] <[Saint]> *previously
[01:05] <xyzone> I never hibernate so can't help, sorry
[01:06] <[Saint]> Fair enough, I realize it's disabled, likely for a good reason...but, it'd be nice to have.
[01:06] <[Saint]> things that don't work when they theoretically should annoy me.
[01:06] <[Saint]> (and lots of others, I imagine)
[01:06] <xyzone> I guess hibernation sucks that bad
[01:06] <Lachezar> jrib: I wasn't able to start the recovery mode, since it booted and did not allow me to choose. It's *VERY* hard to hold SHIFT over a KVM. You have to press it in a specific time after the RAID controller boots :-/
[01:08] <jrib> Lachezar: you can edit the grub line to include init=/bin/bash or boot a live cd.  I don't know if either of these things is possible for you.  Obviously, for the first you still need to hold shift...
[01:08] <[Saint]> The thing that bug me is that, as far as I'm aware at least, 32 bit vs 64 bit arch shouldn't make a lick of difference to hibernation.
[01:08] <Lachezar> jrib: Hah :) Try doing that with /etc/sudoers broken :)
[01:08] <jrib> Lachezar: ah, I meant at the grub screen, you can edit the line there
[01:09] <krabador> hi people, i need help to install nvidia-173 on ubuntu 12.10
[01:09] <xyzone> 64 bit is different
[01:09] <Lachezar> jrib: I wasn't able to open the GRUB screen. It would just skip... But holding SHIFT at the right time did the job: I was able to run in recovery mode.
[01:09] <jrib> Lachezar: k, cool
[01:10] <Lachezar> jrib: Some 'smart' guy thought adding '#includedir' to /etc/sudoers would be very fine... Really! I just 'de-commented' it... Hence I broke sudo... Funny... NOT!
[01:11] <jrib> Lachezar: you should always use visudo :)
[01:11] <Lachezar> All is well when it ends well...
[01:11] <Lachezar> jrib: You're right... It's just that these things tend to come up *AFTER* one has broken it.
[01:12] <ForSpareParts> What program would you guys recommend for downloading youtube videos under Ubuntu? I tried youtube-dl, but it doesn't seem to work.
[01:13] <jrib> ForSpareParts: what ubuntu version?  youtube-dl works fine here on 12.10
[01:13] <Tham> a
[01:18] <almoxarife> ForSpareParts: look at 'minitube'
[01:19] <BassoPT> Anyone gay herà.
[01:19] <BassoPT> Here?
[01:19] <ar9> how can i add the mist icons to ubuntu?
[01:19] <ar9> or the whatever the fedora defualt blue icons are
[01:20] <d4rkh4nd8> need help mounting ipod please
[01:20] <almoxarife> !ipod
[01:20] <BassoPT> I need some booty,...male booty
[01:21] <TheLordOfTime> BassoPT, that's not on topic here, please stop.  If you have an Ubuntu support question, feel free to ask it, otherwise please stop.
[01:22] <BassoPT> Ubuntu means gay action in my language
[01:22] <linuxieus> What is your language?
[01:22] <linuxieus> lol
[01:23] <BassoPT> Stratamaru, I'm from Gana, but I live in Spain
[01:23] <SierraAR> Ubuntu means Ubuntu in my language
[01:23] <TheLordOfTime> !offtopic
[01:23] <ar9> how can install fedora blue icon pack in ubuntu?
[01:24] <BassoPT> So if I go to Ubuntu-off tipoff I can askmfor man on man sex?
[01:25] <linuxieus> lol... behave BassoPT ;)
[01:25]  * [Saint] is somewhat disturbed by the sheer amount of people that seem to use IRC as a substitute for a search engine...
[01:26] <Crshman> anyone know why the bootdegraded=true kernel param would be ignored?
[01:26] <Crshman> I have it set in my grub boot options but when I fire up the machine it catches a degraded array and drops into busy box
[01:26] <Lachezar> [Saint]: Well... Search engines are increasingly 'ad-engines', and it requires substantial dzhu-tsu to actually grt something sensible out :(
[01:26] <Crshman> even though I'm telling the server to continue the boot process
[01:27] <[Saint]> Lachezar: that's really no excuse, though.
[01:29] <Lachezar> [Saint]: It is in my book :-/
[01:29] <[Saint]> Is your book called "How to waste the time of others"? :P
[01:29] <SierraAR> Lachezar, I usually have no trouble finding useful information on google
[01:30] <Lachezar> SierraAR: Tc :-/ I usually end up giving up on finding -it- on google around page 3 or 4.
[01:31] <Lachezar> [Saint], SierraAR: don't get me wrong... I still do Google before I ask, but I end up asking someone instead in 50-50.
[01:32] <[Saint]> Lachezar: Yeah, don't get me wrong either...If you're at least attempting to find the information yourself first, then you're not the target group I was referring to.
[01:33] <Lachezar> [Saint]: Point taken.
[01:33] <Crshman> I have the the bootdegraded=true kernel param set in my grub boot options but when I fire up the machine it catches a degraded array and drops into busy box, any ideas why?
[01:33] <thekkid> Does anyone have a problem with chrome and fullscreen youtube sometimes?
[01:34] <almoxarife> thekkid: what problem?
[01:34] <xyzone> thekkid, all the time
[01:34] <Lachezar> thekkid: Are you using the HTML-5 version of YouTube? I've had lots of problems... Had to switch to the flash-version.
[01:34] <thekkid> Lachezar: no it's flash
[01:34] <thekkid> Lachezar: and it works some times and sometimes it doesn't
[01:34] <xyzone> flash is terrible
[01:34] <xyzone> too bad html5 isn't much better
[01:34] <thekkid> xyzone: agreed
[01:34] <[Saint]> If it's 64 bit, then, yeah...I have problems with stuttering fullscreen flash sometimes.
[01:35] <thekkid> [Saint]: any fix?
[01:35] <[Saint]> flash needs to hurry up and die.
[01:35] <xyzone> flash is a movie monster, it will never die
[01:35] <Lachezar> thekkid: Well... I end up opening a console and killing the plugin-container (when using FF though).
[01:35] <SierraAR> I've not come across any issues using full screen youtube on ubuntu 12.04 64bit
[01:35] <[Saint]> thekkid: switching to a 32 bit distro...so, yeah, in most cases, not really much of an option.
[01:35] <SierraAR> This is using firefox
[01:36] <thekkid> okay
[01:36] <xyzone> why can't html5 implement vdpau?
[01:36] <[Saint]> for <insert_reason_here> 32 bit flash is a *lot* better than 64 bit.
[01:36] <thekkid> development time
[01:36] <[Saint]> But, yeah, agreed. The sooner HTML5 takes off, the better.
[01:36] <xyzone> recently the 64 bit version is about as good as the 32 bit, that is, not very
[01:37] <[Saint]> xyzone: it's still not /quite/ there, but, recently 64 bit flash has made some huge improvements.
[01:38] <xyzone> [Saint], too bad the development is dead, just maintenance at this point
[01:39] <gogeta> wake up
[01:39] <[Saint]> It's a sad case of something that could've been *soooooo* good, but it's crushed by the monster that is flash and sites that simply won't stop using it.
[01:39] <[Saint]> I'd still like to believe that one day it will be.
[01:39] <xyzone> crushed by adobe
[01:40] <gogeta> [Saint]: that becouse webm suck compared to h264 flash
[01:40] <[Saint]> Not so much Adobe as the developers that refuse to stop using it in their applications/sites/whatever.
[01:40] <xyzone> well I mean flash was crushed by adobe
[01:40] <[Saint]> Ahhhh, yes, indeed.
[01:42] <thekkid> 5 years it'll be gone
[01:42] <thekkid> mainly thanks to apple and google inadvertently with mobile
[01:42] <xyzone> replaced by what
[01:42] <gogeta> thekkid: they said that 5 years ago
[01:42] <xyzone> html5 still sucks
[01:42] <[Saint]> that said that 5 years ago...
[01:42] <[Saint]> haha, snap.
[01:43] <thekkid> I didn't say replaced
[01:43] <thekkid> I said gone
[01:43] <gogeta> the big hold back on h=html5 video is they can insert ads like flash
[01:43] <xyzone> needs a replacement
[01:43] <gogeta> cant
[01:44] <xyzone> they can with javascript
[01:44] <thekkid> Easily avoidable
[01:44] <xyzone> same with flash
[01:44] <gogeta> and not inside the vid
[01:45] <strat1227> hello all
[01:45] <xyzone> but you're right that's the reason html5 isn't still used on youtube instead of flash
[01:45] <gogeta> youtube has html 5
[01:45] <xyzone> how ironic that chromebooks can't watch youtube videos with ads
[01:45] <xyzone> yes, but it's only optional, and ad videos don't work
[01:45] <gogeta> you need to turn it on
[01:46] <xyzone> I tested it myself the other day at best buy
[01:46] <strat1227> Is this the proper place to ask some basic support questions for ubuntu 12.10?
[01:46] <escott> strat1227, yes
[01:46] <heathjs> so... webgl works in firefox and google-chrome... not chromium... but the desktop doesn't have support for opengl...
[01:46] <heathjs> halp!
[01:47] <strat1227> thanks escott
[01:47] <strat1227> I just installed on an HP Pavilion dv6000, and the "Dash Home" crashes my computer for some reason
[01:48] <klync> strat1227: what happens when it "crashes"?
[01:48] <gogeta> xyzone: yea gogle thought webm was the second coming of god but nedding twice the cpu and twice the size killed that idea and everyone stuck with h264
[01:48] <strat1227> When I open it it's really really glitchy, and if I leave it open for more than 3 seconds or so everything locks up entirely and shuts down
[01:48] <escott> heathjs, what is the output of "glxinfo | grep -i renderer" and glxinfo | grep -i vendor
[01:48] <strat1227> "glitchy" means the display has lines all across it, font is unreadable, images don't display, etc
[01:48] <gogeta> xyzone: html 5 can do that
[01:48] <strat1227> this is right out of the box
[01:48] <xyzone> webm was only done to press the h264 patent holders
[01:48] <xyzone> gogeta, can do what
[01:49] <heathjs> escott: OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 210/PCIe/SSE2
[01:49] <gogeta> xyzone: can do h265 video
[01:49] <gogeta> h264
[01:49] <xyzone> gogeta, yeah but only on chrome
[01:49]  * Dr_willis waits for h266
[01:49] <heathjs> escott: two graphics cards
[01:49] <escott> heathjs, and the vendor
[01:50] <heathjs> nvidia
[01:50] <heathjs> both of them
[01:50] <strat1227> as such it's quite difficult to launch anything that's not already pinned to the launcher
[01:50] <gogeta> xyzone: well not only chrome heh as long as you have something like vlc with the broswer plugins it will work on anythung
[01:50] <heathjs> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1406288/
[01:50] <gogeta> xyzone: or god help us flash
[01:50] <escott> heathjs, the output of glxinfo | grep -i vendor said nvidia and not nouveau or mesa?
[01:50] <xyzone> gogeta, plugins? kind of defeats the purpose
[01:50] <heathjs> correct
[01:50] <heathjs> i installed the proprietary drivers earlier
[01:51] <escott> heathjs, ok. then im not sure why it would not be working "in the desktop" in what way is it not working
[01:51] <heathjs> not transparency...
[01:51] <gogeta> xyzone: naa its all a plugin its just weather they package it or not
[01:52] <xyzone> gogeta, html5 is not a plugin
[01:52] <klync> strat1227: after you login the usual way, try to get a text console by doing ctrl-alt-f1 ... login there and do `grep EE /var/log/X.org.0.log`
[01:52] <gogeta> xyzone: no but h264 is
[01:52] <heathjs> systemsettings -> desktop effects -> "Desktop effects are not available on this system due to the following technical issues: Required X extensions (XComposite and XDamage) are not available."
[01:52] <xyzone> gogeta, no it's not when it's in chrome
[01:53] <gogeta> xyzone: chromes intergrated ffmpeg codecs
[01:53] <xyzone> gogeta, which they pay royalties for
[01:53] <escott> heathjs, thats a strange error message. can you apt-get install libxdamage1 libxcomposite1 and verify those are installed
[01:54] <escott> heathjs, you can also try grep -i damage /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:55] <Crshman> how do I get the current console resolution?
[01:55] <gogeta> Crshman: xrander?
[01:55] <Crshman> no gui
[01:55] <strat1227_> hello sorry, i tried screenshotting the issue and it crashed again
[01:55] <Crshman> gogeta: let me try it
[01:55] <strat1227_> if anyone replied please repeat it
[01:55] <heathjs> escott: [    50.446] (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
[01:56] <Luke> when I plug in my external USB drive, it mounts as read only. how can I fix that?
[01:56] <gogeta> Crshman: probly ot there if no gui
[01:56] <Crshman> ah yeah, that command doesn't exist and it looks like it's part of the x11 suite
[01:56] <heathjs> installing libxdamage and libxcomposite caused something to be installed... it said they were both at the latest versions already
[01:57] <heathjs> a new nvidia-experimental-310-310.14 dkms file was installed
[01:57] <heathjs> guess i might restart now...
[01:57] <gogeta> Crshman: lol i know how to set it but not simply view it
[01:57] <Crshman> same
[01:58] <Crshman> i know what I need to add to my grub config but I want to know what it's currently set at haha
[01:58] <gogeta> Crshman: sudo hwinfo --framebuffer
[01:58] <gogeta> Crshman: it probly will be using the largest one avable
[01:59] <Dr_willis> Luke,  what filesystem is on the hard drive?
[01:59] <Luke> Dr_willis: ext4
[02:00] <Dr_willis> Luke,  then you need to use the normal chown/chmod commands to set the proper ownership and permissions
[02:00] <Crshman> gogeta: sweet thanks! that worked!
[02:01] <Luke> Dr_willis: they're set fine on the drive fs. I think it's the mountpoint that's being created as root that's the problem
[02:01] <gausie> Hi all. I ran "startx -- /usr/bin/Xdmx :1 +xinerama -display :0.0 -display localhost:10.0 -norender -noglxproxy" over SSH on my 12.10 machine. What I was trying to do didn't work. I restarted my computer and now it won't get past the log-in screen - it just bounces me back. What do I do?
[02:01] <Luke> Dr_willis: I'm not sure how that mount point is being created or why, when I take a user action, it's created as root
[02:01] <escott> Luke, try fscking the disk. it could be failing into ro mode. also check dmesg to see if that mentions an errors with that drive
[02:02] <Luke> escott: tried that - the disc is fine
[02:02] <Dr_willis> Luke,   you could make a fstab entry for it. and mount it by hand. or chown.chmod the mount point AFTER its mounted. that would set the permssions for the 'root' of the filesystem
[02:02] <gausie> (this is running it as per these instructions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOzRCBGDVaE from a client that is still working - it's the server which isn't working)
[02:02] <Luke> Dr_willis: right I don't want to mess with system files. I just want it to work straight away
[02:02] <Dr_willis> Luke,  as far as i know the permissions of the mountpoint BEFOR its mounted does not matter.  the permissions of the mountpoint after its mounted are defined by the 'root' of the filesystems permissions
[02:02] <Luke> Dr_willis: when I plug a USB key in it works fine
[02:03] <escott> Luke, what are the permissions on the mountpoint
[02:03] <Dr_willis> Luke,  and what FS is on the key?
[02:03] <Luke> the mointpoint is created on the fly when I plug it in
[02:03] <Luke> Dr_willis: probably fat32
[02:03] <Dr_willis> Luke,  thats why then..
[02:03] <Dr_willis> fat/ntfs re handled differntly
[02:03] <Luke> escott: permissions on the mountpoint are root 700
[02:03] <escott> Luke, that would do it. it should be root 777
[02:04] <dopiwan-> hello, I'm having trouble with video drivers.  I was running vesa ones okay and tried to install nvidia-current and now everytime X tries to load my system crashes.
[02:04] <Luke> escott: I didn't make the mountpoint. it's created on the fly
[02:04] <Luke> escott: that's the problem
[02:04] <dopiwan-> I've uninstalled the nvidia drivers and replaced the Driver "vesa" in my 10-monitor.conf and now when X loads it says "vesa: Ignoring device with a bound kernel driver"
[02:04] <escott> Luke, is this 12.10 or 12.04
[02:04] <Luke> 12.10
[02:05] <escott> Luke, and what is the mountpoint
[02:05] <Luke> escott: /media/username/external
[02:05] <escott> Luke, but it is the username of the logged in user
[02:06] <Luke> yes
[02:06] <escott> Luke, but /media/username/external is root:root 700. thats weird
[02:06] <Luke> escott: yeah
[02:07] <Luke> escott: and when I unmount, those dirs go away
[02:07] <Luke> they're created dynamically
[02:07] <Luke> media obviously still exists though
[02:07] <escott> Dr_willis, i've never been clear on this point of permissions. The root inode of external has a permission, and the inode /media/username/external will have a permission, and they get bound together in some way when mounted. is it possible that one could be wrong but the other ok?
[02:08] <Dr_willis> escott,  as far as i know.seen the permissiosn of /media/whattever   BEFOR the fs is mounted does not matter - its 'overridden' by the permissions of the fs being mounted
[02:08] <escott> Dr_willis, so the root inode of the external replaces the inode of the mountpoint
[02:08] <Dr_willis> this is just what ive 'seen' never really seen it documented
[02:08] <Dr_willis> escott,  yep. Makes sence to me.
[02:09] <escott> Luke, ^^^ that would indicate that the root inode of the external is incorrect and a sudo chown/chmod should be a permanent fix
[02:09] <Luke> it's created dynamically
[02:09] <Luke> it doesn't exist until it's mounted
[02:09] <Dr_willis> if i want a user to have FULL access to a exernal ext2/3/4 - i mount  it. then chown the mountpoint. :)
[02:09] <Dr_willis> Change it AFTER its mounted the first time.. and it should stay that way Luke
[02:09] <Dr_willis> the actual mountpoint wont matter
[02:10] <Luke> it doesn't make sense from a usability standpoint that if I plug in a drive, I have to run commands to write to it....
[02:10] <escott> Luke, there are two inodes involved. one for the mountpoint /media/username/external the other for the root of the external (if the external was bootable the inode that would be / when it was booted)
[02:10] <blackshirt> wew
[02:10] <Luke> Dr_willis: I'll try that
[02:10] <Dr_willis> Luke,  again. You do it ONCE.. and then afterwards it will rember the owner/permissions
[02:10] <Dr_willis> Untill you move it to a differnt pc. ;)
[02:10] <Luke> got it
[02:10] <Luke> i'll try that
[02:10] <escott> Luke, for an external root:root 777 makes good sense
[02:11] <Dr_willis> it would be the same if you were mounting it via fstab, or by hand.
[02:12] <Luke> Dr_willis: the problem is with the username dir, not the base mount point itself: /media/username/extenral... in this case username has incorrect permissions
[02:12] <Luke> Dr_willis: and that's created by the system when I mount the drive by plugging it in
[02:12] <Luke> Dr_willis: so it has nothing to do with the drive
[02:12] <escott> Luke, /media/username is root:root 700?
[02:13] <escott> Luke, that would make it impossible for you to even see /media/username/external
[02:13] <Dr_willis> as far as i know.. THe permisisons of the mountpoint do NOT matter befor the drive is mounted.
[02:13] <Luke> Dr_willis: in other words, it's not the root of the drive that's incorrect, it's the parent dir to the mountpoint that's incorrect
[02:13] <d4gg3r> hey guys, I am using ps2pdf to convert a eps graph to a pdf one. But it puts it in a page with the graph at its end. can anybody help me make it produce an output with just the graph?
[02:13] <Luke> Dr_willis: yeah it's the folder that is created to /contain/ the moint point that's incorrect
[02:13] <Dr_willis>  would seem odd that other disks are getting mounted to /media/BILLGATES correctly
[02:13] <Dr_willis> and one is not.
[02:14] <Dr_willis> sounds like a bug if the permissions of the fs are propagateing upward. ;)
[02:14] <escott> d4gg3r, "graph at its end" what did you expect?
[02:14] <Luke> Dr_willis: my USB keys are not mounted there.... wierd
[02:14] <Luke> weird*
[02:14] <d4gg3r> escott,  I expected a pdf just like the eps file from gnuplot output
[02:14] <Dr_willis>  the whole /media/ vs /media/user/ is a new feature in 12.10 i think. Ive never really noticed any issues with it.. other then the confusion its caused
[02:14] <d4gg3r> escott,  just the graph with no extra margins
[02:15] <escott> d4gg3r, and how is what you are getting different from that
[02:15] <Dr_willis> could be more NTFS vs Ext  differances inhow the system works
[02:15] <d4gg3r> escott,  just running ps2pdf 1.eps
[02:16] <escott> d4gg3r, the "e" in eps means that it has a bounding box. pdf has a standard page dimension (set by your locale preference usually A4 or letter). there will be a margin
[02:16] <Luke> Dr_willis: yeah it seems to be incorrectly setting up permissions on the user dir unfortunately
[02:16] <gausie> can noone help me with my log in issue?
[02:17] <escott> gausie, what is the issue
[02:17] <Luke> Dr_willis: drwxr-x---+  3 root root   -- that's the actual permissions it creates the user dir with
[02:17] <Luke> which seems useless
[02:17] <Dr_willis> Luke,  im not on a ubuntu box so i cant double check mine.
[02:17] <gausie> escott: thanks for responding. I've posted the question to askubuntu, so better to read the detail there http://askubuntu.com/questions/224816/tried-to-use-xdmx-and-now-i-cant-log-in
[02:17] <gausie> escott: I'm asking on here too because its quite urgent
[02:17] <escott> Luke, not sure who should own that, but it certainly shouldnt be 755
[02:18] <Dr_willis> gausie,  for starters try deleteing the .Xauthority file
[02:18] <Luke> Dr_willis: actually you know what... it's working now. you were right about chowning the mointpoint
[02:18] <Luke> Dr_willis: the user dir's permissions are OK i think
[02:18] <Dr_willis> Luke,  if its owned by the user.. and the permisisons get 'applied' to the parrents.. then that would make sence. ;)
[02:18] <gausie> Dr_willis: I don't have one (did updatedb and a locate and found nothing)
[02:18] <Luke> Dr_willis: yeah it's totally fixed now. thanks
[02:19] <Dr_willis> gausie,  look in the users home dir? try making a new user. see if affects them..  see if the guest user has issues..
[02:19] <Dr_willis> gausie,  its also possible some other files in the users home are owned by root by mistake.
[02:19] <gausie> Dr_willis: I can get into the guest user! So what do I do to get me back into mine? Thanks so far!
[02:20] <Dr_willis> gausie,  test with making a new user. or with the problem user. ive just made a OLDHOME dir in their home and moved everything into it. so i had a clean 'home'  and tested if logging in worked.
[02:20] <doctorpepper> hi guys.
[02:20] <Dr_willis> if a new/clean/home worked.. that points to a user setting/file being the issue.
[02:21] <qualia> why does Urxvt daemon (urxvtd -q -o -f) startup with <root> AND THEN <user> two times ?
[02:21] <escott> gausie, try "find $HOME -uid 0
[02:21] <escott> gausie, see if that prints anything out
[02:21] <Dr_willis> escott,  ;) i was just googling to find that command.. ;P
[02:21] <escott> Dr_willis, surprisingly hard to find was expecting -owner not -uid
[02:22] <doctorpepper> can anyone please help me ,  i am trying to run teamfortress 2  on 12.04  but i keep having  a black screen  when i start it
[02:22] <gausie> escott: hahaha .Xauthority is here it turns out
[02:22] <Sloofus> Pepper isn't that still beta?
[02:23] <gausie> escott: just didnt show before
[02:23] <escott> gausie, files beginning with "." are hidden from normal listings
[02:24] <doctorpepper> Sloofus: yes , but i seems that  people are playing it . but i can figure out why  it doesnt work  for me
[02:24] <remu> I'm looking for a command line utility that will organize mp3s in a specific naming convention.
[02:24] <gausie> escott Dr_willis: fixed! thanks all for the help
[02:24] <escott> Dr_willis, yeah the mount does replace the inode http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r11/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zos.r11.bpxb200/happens.htm
[02:24] <remu> So far the solutions I've found tend to focus on wole albums rather than single songs.
[02:24] <remu> Any recomendations?
[02:25] <Sloofus> doctorpepper: a black screen sounds like display issues but I'm not experienced enough to really know
[02:25] <c2tarun> is gTalk app also available for Ubuntu?
[02:25] <escott> remu, the problem is identifying a single song is much harder than identifying an album
[02:25] <xangua> c2tarun: you can use google talk with empathy
[02:25] <remu> I don't neccessarily need it identified. I was hoping something that would read the id3 tag, and then move it to my music library
[02:26] <dopiwan-> hello, I'm having trouble with video drivers.  I was running vesa ones okay and tried to install nvidia-current and now everytime X tries to load my system crashes.
[02:26] <dopiwan-> I've uninstalled the nvidia drivers and replaced the Driver "vesa" in my 10-monitor.conf and now when X loads it says "vesa: Ignoring device with a bound kernel driver"
[02:26] <remu> put it in the right place, and rename it accordingly
[02:26] <gausie> Dr_willis: one
[02:26] <c2tarun> xangua, I am using pidgin right now. But the thing is if I want to ping any of my friends who is offline then I can't. In gTalk if we ping them, they'll get the ping on coming online.
[02:26] <gausie> Dr_willis: whoops, that was a mistake. Thanks again :P
[02:26] <doctorpepper> Sloofus: i have seens  something  in the valve linux forum  saying something about updating the drivers from a ppa  but when i tried  to upgrade the driver  it fails
[02:26] <dopiwan-> can anyone help me with this?
[02:26] <escott> remu, you could use any of the identifying apps without the identification. i cant think of a cli variant though
[02:27] <Sloofus> doctorpepper: what card do you have?
[02:27] <dinosaurvskitten> what's a good linux sound server that has an android client? I'm trying to find something that will basically allow me to tune into my computer's speakers with my cell phone so I can use it as wireless headphones.
[02:27] <new-volume> criscoinverted
[02:27] <doctorpepper> intel
[02:27] <remu> escott, I was hoping for a cli variant so I can run it on my server, and possibly as a cron job
[02:27] <doctorpepper> Sloofus: Intel
[02:27] <Sloofus> Intel integrated?
[02:27] <doctorpepper> yes
[02:28] <Sloofus> Good luck...
[02:28] <xangua> dinosaurvskitten: i just turn on bluethooth in my phone and set it as audio exit :)
[02:28] <doctorpepper> Sloofus:  is it a problem
[02:29] <Sloofus> doctorpepper: Those cards are utter shite for gaming to begin with. You need a dedicated card.
[02:29] <Sloofus> Ati or nvidia
[02:30] <Sloofus> K folks I'm in a pickle. I'm on my phone so sorry for delayed responses. I'm away on business and can't seem to register an internet connection on my lappy. Plugged straight in and eth0 is up. Ubuntu 12.04. Thoughts?
[02:30] <doctorpepper> well TF2 i an old game so it should be no problem to run it on a laptop with intel graphics
[02:30] <dinosaurvskitten> xangua: ah, good idea. My workstation doesn't have bluetooth support, but I suppose I could get a usb adapter
[02:30] <moon`> Hey I haven't used this computer since 2010, I just plugged it back in and got everything working, what would be the best way to go about updating it to a current version of ubuntu?
[02:31] <designbybeck> Ubuntu on the new Yoga Lenovo? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Lenovo+-+Yoga+IdeaPad+Ultrabook+13.3%22+Touch-Screen+Laptop+-+4GB+Memory+-+Silver/6634279.p?id=1218767481156&skuId=6634279
[02:31] <xangua> !ot | designbybeck
[02:32] <jrib> !upgrade | moon`
[02:33] <moon`> many thanks jrib
[02:33] <Sloofus> Anyone care to assist me in gaining inlet access on my Acer aspire one 722? Eth0 isn't 'just working' like it normally does...
[02:33] <Sloofus> Inet *
[02:34] <escott> Sloofus, you at a hotel?
[02:34] <Sloofus> Yessir
[02:35] <Sloofus> Or maam
[02:35] <escott> Sloofus, often those are captive networks, and you have to go through some kind of registration process
[02:35] <escott> Sloofus, usually going to any website will redirect you, if not call down to the front desk and ask how to register your computer
[02:35] <Sloofus> escott: but I should at least register an IP right?
[02:35] <mehwork> whenever i touch the right edge of my right monitor my mouse *always* gets messed up, until i refresh my screen or drag my mouse off the screen and back on. Any idea why? This only happens in unity
[02:36] <escott> Sloofus, they deny outbound connections and capture and redirect all traffic to their servers until you pay
[02:36] <escott> Sloofus, i would think you would have an ip but everyone does it differently so maybe they want you to do it differently
[02:37] <Sloofus> escott: free inet access. No regging on my smartphone required, lappy isn't pulling an IP at all
[02:37] <escott> Sloofus, you can try and manually run dhclient
[02:37] <KI4RO> Anyone know how to make xset settings permanent?
[02:37] <Sloofus> Sudo dhclient eth0?
[02:38] <escott> Sloofus, sure. but even with free they often still want you to plug in your room number so they can disconnect you when your stay is over (and so you dont sit in the lobby after you checkout)
[02:39] <Sloofus> escott: negative. Just verified with coworker that he did not need to register anything
[02:39] <Sloofus> escott: he's a windows user
[02:39] <Bustacap> I have a non ubuntu related question. Will my clothes get somewhat clean if I put them through the washer with no detergent, I ran out and am out of clean clothes and have my first day at a new job tomorrow!
[02:40] <Sloofus> escott: sudo dhclient eth0 is hanging.... that's not comforting.
[02:41] <xangua> !ot | Bustacap iy you know is not related, you don't :)
[02:41] <Bustacap> :P
[02:43] <Sloofus> To recap if anyone has any ideas: Acer aspire one 722 w/ Ubuntu 12.04 can't register an IP address at my hotel. No pre-registration is required at my location.
[02:44] <Sloofus> Eth1 also doesn't seem to be able to pick up any access points
[02:44] <Sloofus> (WiFi)
[02:45] <escott> Sloofus, check rfkill
[02:46] <Sloofus> escott: what args to pass?
[02:46] <escott> Sloofus, rfkill list eth1
[02:46] <escott> Sloofus, or list all
[02:47] <Sloofus> Weird...
[02:47] <Sloofus> Oh nvm
[02:48] <Sloofus> escott: rfkill list all shows 2 wireless LANs neither are hard or soft blocked
[02:48] <escott> Sloofus, anyways dhclient isnt going to do anything for wifi until you associate with the AP. i thought you were hard wired
[02:48] <Justin_jtb7rmv> ubuntu are you here tomorrow?
[02:48] <Sloofus> escott: I'm trying both
[02:49] <Sloofus> escott: let's stick to hardwired for the time being, no?
[02:49] <escott> Sloofus, usually that works better
[02:50] <Sharyari> Hi. Since upgrading to 12.10, my laptop doesn't recognize any usb devices (webcam, usb, phone). I can't find a trace of them anywhere when I plug them in (lsusb, dmesg). Any ideas?
[02:51] <escott> Sharyari, that would suggest your kernel is missing a driver for your usb bus
[02:52] <Sharyari> escott: I've been trying to modprobe some stuff before, don't remember what, but nothing seemed to work. What should be loaded do you think?
[02:53] <Sharyari> escott: lsmod | grep usb gives me nothing, so you're definetly right :)
[02:53] <escott> Sharyari, i have no idea. other than usbhid but thats not the controller that is for hid devices. to have the kernel not contain a controller for a usb bus would be a major regression
[02:54] <escott> Sloofus, so what is your "ifconfig" output right now
[02:54] <usr13> Sharyari: You might try modprobe usb_storage and see what that does.
[02:54] <escott> Sharyari, does lsusb show anything?
[02:54] <gotenks> hey guys, I need to remove old kernels. I deleted them manually in nautilus but they still show up in grub. and they don't show up in synaptic, how can I solve this?
[02:54] <Sharyari> nope
[02:55] <escott> Sharyari, lsusb should ALWAYS show the root hub. if it doesn't...
[02:55] <Sloofus> escott: showing eth0 and... eth0:avahi?
[02:55] <Sloofus> escott: displays usual info except ip
[02:55] <escott> gotenks, you can apt-get remove linux-kernel-versionnumber
[02:56] <Sharyari> usr13: load correctly, but doesn't detect anything
[02:56] <escott> gotenks, like sudo apt-get remove linux-image-3.5.0-17-generic
[02:56] <gotenks> even if they are not visible on synaptic? and I removed them manually on nautilus, somehow they still show up though
[02:56] <Sloofus> escott: but eth0:avahi shows nothing under "up broadcast multicast" etc
[02:56] <Sharyari> escott: yeah, it shows the root hub. But nothing on them
[02:56] <escott> gotenks, so you can dpkg -l "*linux*" and pick what to remove and remove it
[02:57] <Sloofus> Poor escott ... he's being everyone's superman
[02:57] <Sharyari> :)
[02:57] <th3pun15h3r> anyone had any luck installing ubuntu on a dell inspiron 2600
[02:57] <escott> Sloofus, its hard to say what is going on there
[02:57] <gogeta> th3pun15h3r: as long as it has enough ram you should be ok
[02:58] <escott> Sloofus, ive never seen an eth0:avahi device before
[02:58] <Sloofus> escott: yeah I'm befuddled...
[02:58] <gotenks> escott, see when I use that command, I only see 3.5 images but in grub I have a binch of 2. etc
[02:58] <Sharyari> Is it worth trying to go back to an earlier kernel?
[02:58] <escott> Sloofus, but that doesn't mean its bad
[02:58] <Sloofus> escott: one moment
[02:58] <OerHeks> Sharyari, try " update grub" from cli
[02:58] <escott> Sharyari, so the root hub is there, but hotplugging does not generate anything in dmesg
[02:58] <Sharyari> escott: correct
[02:59] <OerHeks> Sharyari, err "update-grub "
[02:59] <escott> Sharyari, at the grub prompt you can pick the older kernel
[02:59] <escott> Sharyari, if grub is not appearing you can hit shift or esc or something
[02:59] <zykotick9> escott: hold shift for grub2
[03:00] <usr13> gotenks: compare 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image*list' with uname -a  and do apt-get remove linux-image-x, y, and z accept for  the one you use now.
[03:00] <Sharyari> Ok, I'll be back soon with the results :)
[03:00] <escott> zykotick9, im not likely to remember what key it is... one of the ones on the left...
[03:00] <cfhowlett> gotenks: sudo update grub
[03:01] <gotenks> cfhowlett: /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 11: /etc/default/grub: splash”: not found
[03:01] <gotenks> that's the return on that command
[03:01] <gotenks> I'm sorry to bother you guys, but I really don't know how to do this and my boot partition is full
[03:02] <cfhowlett> gotenks: sudo update grub should fix it
[03:02] <gotenks> I just did it and it said this: /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 11: /etc/default/grub: splash”: not found
[03:02] <escott> cfhowlett, update-grub isn't going to help him that much
[03:02] <escott> gotenks, it sounds like you have a typo on line 11 of /etc/default/grub
[03:03] <gotenks> let me check
[03:03] <escott> gotenks, what is preventing you from "ls /boot; sudo apt-get remove linux-image-3.#.#-##-generic"
[03:03] <cfhowlett> escott: no?  OK.  I seemed to recall that update grub would reflect changes such as altered grub rosters.  My mistake.
[03:04] <usr13> th3pun15h3r: What kind of problem are you having?
[03:04] <escott> cfhowlett, it will but his problem is the thing was full and he needs to remove kernels
[03:04] <escott> cfhowlett, and he is removing them incorrectly
[03:04] <gotenks> escott the issues are not the 3.etc kernels, problem is all the 2.etc kernels, which are not displayed when I use the command ls
[03:05] <escott> gotenks, dpkg -l "*linux*" will list the ones that dpkg thinks are still installed from 2.# so you can then remove those
[03:05] <escott> gotenks, just rm'ing files in /boot will confuse dpkg
[03:05] <gotenks> well, that's what somebody told me to do, it's too late now
[03:06] <usr13> gotenks: compare 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image*list'
[03:06] <usr13> gotenks: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image*list
[03:06] <escott> gotenks, yes but you can unconfuse dpkg by running those commands and dpkg should also fix up your boot menu
[03:07] <gotenks> OK, guys,I'm trying to follow you, I'm not too much of an expert, let me run those commands you just told me. thanks!
[03:07] <gotenks> I'll let you know how it goes
[03:08] <gotenks> usr13: when I run 'ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image*list' this is what happens: bash: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image*list: No such file or directory
[03:08] <usr13> gotenks: That's interesting.
[03:08] <gotenks> am I fucked? ahha
[03:09] <Sloofus> escott: may have found the issue. Will let ya know. Thanks for your help btw
[03:09] <escott> gotenks, what shows up with "ii" on the left with dpkg -l "*linux*"
[03:09] <cfhowlett> !language please
[03:09] <escott> Sloofus, curious what it was
[03:09] <xangua>  "I removed them manually on nautilus" and that is scary usr13 gotenks
[03:10] <gotenks> I guess that was a mistake but two different people told me to do it here
[03:10] <gotenks> cause they said those kernels weren't used anyway
[03:10] <Sloofus> escott: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/199450 check the third response from the bottom. I haven't updated or even used this machine in months.
[03:10] <escott> gotenks, another thought if you are deleting things with nautilus it may go to trash, and if you have a /boot partition the trash would be in that partition
[03:10] <usr13> gotenks: Just use the list you see in grub, compare with uname -a
[03:11] <usr13> gotenks: Don't remove the current one.
[03:11] <gotenks> usr13but how can I remove them if I don't see them?
[03:11] <Sharyari> Ok, that did not work
[03:11] <viking667> hello. I'm trying to downmix a 5.1 or 7.1 to my stereo headphones. I've got Ubuntu 11.10 and a HDA Nvidia chipset, using a Realtek ALC1200
[03:11] <Jordan_U> gotenks: Did you fix the error from /etc/default/grub? If not, please pastebin your /etc/default/grub.
[03:11] <Sloofus> escott: its very much possible I updated, had the same problem and just said "screw it I'll fix it later"
[03:11] <blunttuu> o
[03:11] <viking667> What do I need to check first?
[03:11] <escott> Sloofus, ok
[03:11] <usr13> gotenks: Do as gotenks says.  Look in trash.
[03:12] <lcabreza> hi guys, whats the equivalent of f-secure in Ubuntu ? how can i use the .ssh file ?
[03:12] <escott> lcabreza, what does f-secure do?
[03:12] <gotenks> usr13, you mean the regular trash right?
[03:12] <escott> !antivirus | lcabreza
[03:13] <escott> lcabreza, and i cant tell what you mean by the ".ssh" file
[03:13] <usr13> gotenks: Do as escott says.  Look in trash.  Yea, regular trash, irregular trash, what ever ;)
[03:13] <escott> gotenks, no it would be roots trash (because you had to be root to delete the kernels)
[03:13] <gotenks> it's empty  :/
[03:13] <gotenks> ah ok hang on
[03:14] <escott> gotenks, in general we would strongly discourage running nautilus as root
[03:14] <gotenks> yeah I know it's not a great idea but I was kinda desperate
[03:14] <rhin0> lol hes doing that escott
[03:14] <usr13> gotenks: desperate?  Are you running out of HD space?
[03:14] <gotenks> yeah, my boot partition is full
[03:15] <viking667> wouldn't surprise m... your WHAT?
[03:15] <gotenks> usr13, alright problems keep adding up. went to nautilus as root, can't access trash
[03:15] <viking667> oh yeah. most people don't use a separate /boot
[03:15] <rhin0> you ran out of disk space?
[03:15] <rhin0> things grind to a halt
[03:15] <viking667> linux handles that better than Windows does, funnily enough.
[03:16] <gotenks> OK, here's an idea, if I reinstall Ubuntu, do I remove the boot partition?
[03:16] <escott> gotenks, then check if there is a folder /boot/.Trash or /boot/.trash with "ls -al /boot"
[03:16] <viking667> I've had an example where Linux kept on trucking with an IRC client, even after the hard drive had uhm, died.
[03:16] <lcabreza> escott: they have this application on Windows called F-secure ssh client which they download and .ssh file and open it using that application. wondering what can i use for ..
[03:16] <escott> lcabreza, the ssh client is just "ssh"
[03:17] <gotenks> might have found it: drwx------  4 root root     1024 Nov 27 00:02 .Trash-0
[03:17] <escott> gotenks, thats it
[03:17] <viking667> yup.
[03:17] <usr13> gotenks:  lsb_release -a |pastebinit   #Show us resulting URL
[03:17] <escott> gotenks, ls -al /boot/.Trash-0
[03:17] <Jordan_U> gotenks: Why did you have a separate /boot/ partition in the first place? If you re-install Ubuntu without using a separate /boot/ partition you should be fine, though that definitely would be overkill and you should make sure that your regular backups are good before re-installing./
[03:18] <cfhowlett> gotenks: long shot, but perhaps purging your the saved downloads might help.  Sudo apt-get autoclean and sudo apt-get clean will do that
[03:18]  * viking667 uses a separate /boot so he doesn't toast his system when his root partition goes and fills up.
[03:18] <escott> gotenks, if that shows the various linux-image files, just move them back to /boot with "sudo mv /boot/.Trash-0 /boot" and remove them properly
[03:19] <lcabreza> escott:i guess my question would be. how can i use that .ssh file on my terminal instead of using f-secure client
[03:19] <escott> cfhowlett, his problem is /boot not the root partition
[03:19] <Justin_jtb7rmv> 'i need heelp
[03:20] <gotenks> escott, ran your command, this is what I see: total 9
[03:20] <gotenks> drwx------ 4 root root 1024 Nov 27 00:02 .
[03:20] <gotenks> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 3072 Dec  1 16:23 ..
[03:20] <gotenks> drwx------ 2 root root 2048 Nov 27 00:02 files
[03:20] <gotenks> drwx------ 2 root root 3072 Nov 27 00:02 info
[03:20] <gotenks>
[03:20] <escott> lcabreza, without knowing what is in a ".ssh" file... i cant say
[03:20] <FloodBot1> gotenks: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:20] <Justin_jtb7rmv> 'i need help
[03:20] <usr13> Justin_jtb7rmv: Tell us what your problem is.
[03:20] <escott> gotenks, then its in files. "sudo ls /boot/.Trash-0/files"
[03:20] <escott> gotenks, sudo mv /boot/.Trash-0/files/linux-* /boot
[03:21] <gotenks> escott,yes! they're there
[03:21] <escott> gotenks, another reason not to use nautilus. you didn't even accomplish what you wanted to accomplish
[03:21] <gotenks> yeah, I def learned a lesson here
[03:22] <gotenks> so wait, I see them in the list, now I just run: sudo mv /boot/.Trash-0/files/linux-* /boot ?
[03:22] <escott> gotenks, once you move them back to /boot you can "sudo rm -rf /boot/.Trash-0"
[03:22] <escott> gotenks, yes move them first then delete the trash folder
[03:22] <usr13> gotenks: nautilus has it's purposes but uninstalling kernels is not one of them.
[03:22] <gotenks> OK, let me try, thank you so much for your patience guys
[03:22] <gotenks> you are all awesome
[03:22] <cfhowlett> Justin_jtb7rmv: state the problem
[03:23] <viking667> using apt would be what I would have done. That or synaptic (or whatever the modern equivalent is now)
[03:24] <Ray2> Safest way is to use synaptic then do sudo update-grub
[03:24] <DWSR> if I wanted to do "for each item in a folder, move it" and I specifically DIDN'T want to do a batch operation, how would I do it?
[03:24] <escott> gotenks, before trying to uninstall things lets look at that /etc/default/grub issue. what is the output of "sed -n "11p" /etc/default/grub"
[03:24] <DWSR> (i.e. I specifically wanted to call mv 'item' for each thing as opposed to doing 1 mv *)
[03:24] <WeThePeople> how do i softblock my wifi
[03:24] <Justin_jtb7rmv> tar zxvf filename.tar.gz is not working
[03:24] <escott> DWSR, find -exec or | xargs
[03:25] <viking667> dwsr; you mean something like: for t in place; do mv ${t} otherplace  ?
[03:25] <DWSR> viking667: Yes, thank you
[03:25] <viking667> err, place/*
[03:25] <viking667> ... after all, you're needing the filenames for mv to work with
[03:25] <DWSR> yep.
[03:25] <DWSR> Will that also move folders?
[03:25] <viking667> test out what you need by using "do echo mv ${t} otherplace; done"
[03:26] <viking667> hard to say. Should do.
[03:26] <gotenks> escott, still trying to move files back. i'll BRB
[03:26] <escott> DWSR, and be careful about spaces in filenames.
[03:26] <MarkyC> Hey all, I'm using the minimal install CD, and after I press enter, I get a blank screen. I think I might need to adjust the video card settings (old laptop) in order to boot. What are the shorthands again? (I think I'm looking for framebuffer settings or similar)
[03:27] <DWSR> escott: I'm assuming that bash is going to deal with spaces.
[03:27] <DWSR> And that I'm not going to have to worry about space in t.
[03:27] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|MarkyC:
[03:27] <DWSR> s/space in t/spaces in ${t}/
[03:27] <viking667> hm. No.
[03:28] <viking667> for that, you'd need mv "${t}" otherplace
[03:28] <DWSR> oh, heh
[03:28] <escott> DWSR, mv ${t} expands to mv foo bar which looks like two moves
[03:28] <viking667> thank you for pointing that out.
[03:28] <DWSR> Spoiled by PHP I guess.
[03:28] <lcabreza> escott: assuming that its secure. what command shall i use to run the .ssh file ?
[03:28] <viking667> don't ever let knowledge from one domain override another domain.
[03:28] <escott> DWSR, you should be able to avoid that with find -exec, but you always have to be careful
[03:28] <DWSR> viking667: Indeed, however I'm a mostly Windows user.
[03:28] <escott> lcabreza, i dont know what the file is. i've never heard of an ssh file
[03:29] <DWSR> viking667: Mostly because I game heavily. However with Steam coming to Linux, hopefully that will be less the case.
[03:29] <viking667> dwsr: oh gawd. I still remember the time I had to write a batch file that had to know where it resided.
[03:29] <Sharyari> So, does anyone have any more ideas on my usb problem? Right now, no usb modules are loaded at start, so that would be an indicator..
[03:29] <escott> lcabreza, is it a key? is it instructions on how to connect to some other server? what is it
[03:29] <escott> lcabreza, what does "file whatever.ssh" say
[03:29] <DWSR> viking667: pwd is your friend.
[03:29] <MarkyC> Unless the minimal installer is supposed to show a blank screen?
[03:29] <viking667> Uhm, no.
[03:30] <viking667> pwd showed me where I was when I started the file off, NOT where the file itself resided.
[03:30] <escott> !nomodeset | MarkyC
[03:30] <DWSR> viking667: Err...?
[03:30] <Justin_jtb7rmv> tar zxvf filename.tar.gz is not working
[03:30] <viking667> yes, the two are often different.
[03:30] <MarkyC> escott: yes, I got it, setting that boot param still gives me a blank screen
[03:31] <DWSR> viking667: Ah, oh I see. I'm always careful to give it a cwd wherever it resides.
[03:31] <DWSR> Mostly because I just find it avoids confusion.
[03:31] <MarkyC> In fact, I cannot even bring up tty1
[03:31] <DWSR> I also don't write batch scripts often.
[03:31] <DWSR> And hate it with the fury of a thousand suns.
[03:31] <viking667> DWSR: and would you have set that cwd separately for every single machine?
[03:32] <mashed-updata> hi all, question re Aircrack-ng on Ubuntu 12.10 ... is it still called Aircrack-ng or is it now as my command line suggest ... "iw"?
[03:33] <DWSR> viking667: Everything I write is for home use,.
[03:33] <DWSR> So the environment is pretty carefully controlled
[03:33] <viking667> heh. I had to write a script that would uhm, live in the wild.
[03:33] <gotenks> escott, moved em all and deleted the folder
[03:33] <viking667> and the program I was writing it for could live almost anywhere
[03:33] <viking667> you probably didn't need to delete the folder.
[03:33] <escott> gotenks, sed -n "11p" /etc/default/grub
[03:34] <gotenks> result of the command you told me is: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=”quiet splash”
[03:34] <Justin_jtb7rmv> 'i need help with setting up unralircd servewr
[03:34] <viking667> a ... what?
[03:34] <DWSR> unrealircd server.
[03:34] <escott> gotenks, that looks fine. maybe the error was somehow related to your deleting things with nautilus
[03:34] <lcabreza> escott:it has some connection details : like windows title, cipher ..
[03:34] <viking667> ahh, now THAT I know.
[03:34] <DWSR> viking667: ^^
[03:34] <DWSR> :)
[03:34] <viking667> but I don't know the details.
[03:34] <gotenks> escott, cool so how do I get rid of them now?
[03:34] <viking667> it's been back in uhm... 2002 since I last tried to run ircd
[03:35] <DWSR> viking667: This command is the first step in organizing a 1TB music collection.
[03:35] <escott> gotenks, for each kernel in /boot that you want to remove you should be able to sudo apt-get remove linux-image-FULL_VERSION_NUM-generic
[03:35] <viking667> Oh. Right.
[03:35] <escott> gotenks, you have to keep at least one
[03:35] <DWSR> viking667: So yeah.....MusicBrainz Picard!
[03:35] <DWSR> All the days.
[03:35] <MarkyC> More info: I get the "loading linux..... loading initrd....." messages, and the screen then goes black. nomodset doesn't fix this. I'm trying the expert command line install btw
[03:35] <escott> lcabreza, i dont know of any tool that can parse that, but if you can read it you can use the computer in your brain
[03:36] <escott> lcabreza, probably faster than trying to find a tool to parse that file
[03:36] <escott> MarkyC, unfortunately other than... its not working i dont know what to say
[03:36] <Justin_jtb7rmv> tar zxvf filename.tar.gz is not working
[03:36] <escott> !work | Justin_jtb7rmv
[03:37] <gotenks> escott, like for example: sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.38-10-generic ?
[03:37] <viking667> sigh. anyhow, I've not had much luck finding information on making pulseaudio do downmixing
[03:37] <blunttuu> lol
[03:37] <viking667> gotenks: yes.
[03:37] <gotenks> perfect!
[03:37] <Jordan_U> gotenks: escott: That line appears to have smart quotes, (”) rather than regular quotes (").
[03:37] <viking667> but don't remove your latest
[03:37] <escott> Jordan_U, good catch
[03:37] <gotenks> that's true Jordan_U!
[03:37] <blunttuu> it puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again
[03:37] <Jordan_U> gotenks: Please pastebin your complete /etc/default/grub (you can do this by running "pastebinit /etc/default/grub".
[03:37] <Jordan_U> !ot | blunttuu
[03:37] <escott> gotenks, never use open office to edit system files
[03:38] <viking667> oh GOD no.
[03:38] <gotenks> I didn't, something must have went wrong.
[03:38] <viking667> If you have to kill a kitten, at least use nano.
[03:38] <gotenks> holdon
[03:38] <thebishop> hey ey
[03:39] <viking667> I normally use vim, but others who can't stand vim commonly use emacs, nano, or something else almost entirely textbased
[03:39] <viking667> gotenks: what command did you use? Or did you click instead?
[03:39] <escott> viking667, gedit is pretty easy to understand for most people
[03:39] <thebishop> is the nautilus file chooser busted for anyone else?  I've noticed in SoundConverter and Audacity, I select a folder for open/save and nothing is returned, the dialog just keeps my home folder, which is the default
[03:39] <viking667> escott: exactly.
[03:39] <gotenks> I used gedit to edit that file
[03:40] <viking667> personally, I use gvim/vim, with occasional forays into emacsland
[03:40] <viking667> so, you went "gedit somefile" or did you right-click on thefilename and chose "Open with gedit"?
[03:41] <gotenks> honestly I don't remember, I might have copied and pasted it from online and that's how those quotes got there
[03:41] <gotenks> I did that last week
[03:41] <viking667> sigh.
[03:41] <gotenks> escott, OK here my grub: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1406618/
[03:42] <Jordan_U> gotenks: escott: viking667: Many blogging platforms automatically transform quotes in posts to smart quotes, it's a common problem with blog tutorials.
[03:42] <escott> gotenks, be careful about stuff like that. fix that up with ascii quotes and then you should be ok
[03:42] <escott> gotenks, it looks like its just the one line
[03:43] <Jordan_U> gotenks: Everything but the quotes looks good, so fix that and you should be fine (at least as far as the /etc/default/grub goes).
[03:43] <viking667> yes, quite.
[03:43] <escott> gotenks, gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[03:43] <viking667> ahhh yes. I knew I was trying to think of something
[03:44] <gotenks> escott, OK, edited.
[03:44] <Justin_jtb7rmv> tar: You may not specify more than one `-Acdtrux' or `--test-label' option
[03:44] <Justin_jtb7rmv> Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information.
[03:44] <Bustacap> Now Playing: Still D.R.E by Dr. Dre from the album Chronic 2001 [Rap]
[03:44] <Bustacap> o.O
[03:44] <escott> gotenks, also run "file /etc/default/grub" to make sure it says ASCII TEXT
[03:44] <SierraAR> Just want to note I found an odd bug in ubuntu 12.04 64-bit using cinnamon.. Copying files from my documents folder to the shared ntfs partition I just recently created. When I'm right clicking, the context menu has 'Paste' grayed out, but it still pastes the files when I click it
[03:45] <gotenks> escott, yep, ASCII text
[03:45] <viking667> Bustacap: then I guess you'd know the song Conscience, by Eminem & Dr Dre
[03:45] <Bustacap> Of course :P
[03:47] <gotenks> escott, so basically now everything is fine as far as the grub in etc/default. how do I get rid of them?
[03:47] <escott> gotenks, apt-get remove linux-image-VERSION-generic
[03:47] <gotenks> escott, apt-get remove linux-kernel-versionnumber ?
[03:47] <gotenks> ok thanks!
[03:48] <escott> gotenks, it may be easier to run dpkg -l "*linux*" and copy paste the package name from that
[03:48] <escott> gotenks, you may also have headers for the old kernels which could also be removed
[03:48] <Justin_jtb7rmv> tar: You may not specify more than one `-Acdtrux' or `--test-label' option
[03:49] <escott> Justin_jtb7rmv, please paste.ubuntu.com the full terminal session
[03:49] <viking667> actually, what was the single line you typed in for tar?
[03:49] <viking667> tar xvf somefilename.tar.gz    ?
[03:50] <viking667> that's what I use now.
[03:50] <almoxarife> to get headers back do a apt-get of 'linux-headers-generic'
[03:50] <viking667> because tar is now erm, smart enough to grab gunzip for itself instead of needing a specific switch (z)
[03:51] <gotenks> escott,sorry, i'm a little stuck. I think apt-get remove doesn't work cause those versions don't show up when I type dpkg -l "*linux*
[03:51] <gotenks> I think I have to remove all the files I tried to remove on nautilus on terminal. that would work right?
[03:52] <Justin_jtb7rmv> ubuntu 12.04
[03:52] <escott> gotenks, well if dpkg doesn;t think they are installed i suppose you cant make it worse by rm'ing them. sudo rm /boot/linux-image-version-generic
[03:52] <escott> gotenks, im worried about what you did to make dpkg forget they were installed
[03:52] <Justin_jtb7rmv> i am usingubuntu 12.04
[03:53] <Justin_jtb7rmv> i am using ubuntu 12.04
[03:53] <escott> gotenks, each kernel comes with a kernel, a system map, an abi a config and an initrd
[03:53] <gotenks> escott, I didn't do anything, of this I'm sure. I upgraded to 12.10, actually fresh installed
[03:53] <viking667> Justin_jtb7rmv: what language do you normally understand?
[03:53] <gotenks> so I should remove all those files for each kernel
[03:53] <escott> gotenks, what does appear with "ii" on the left with dpkg -l "*linux*"
[03:53] <gotenks> let me check again
[03:54] <escott> gotenks, you should make every effort to remove them with apt-get. even going so far as typing the version number in
[03:55] <almoxarife> !synaptic <-- cause sometimes a gui is as sexy
[03:55] <gotenks> escott, just to make sure, here's the result of your latest command: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1406694/
[03:55] <gotenks> but in boot I got a lot of old kernels like System.map-2.6.38-10-generic-pae etc
[03:56] <escott> it helps to maximize that terminal, but i don't see any 2.6 version kernels there
[03:56] <escott> gotenks, at least try: apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.38-10-generic-pae
[03:56] <blackshirt> dpkg -l | grep linux-image-2.6
[03:56] <gotenks> escott: E: Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6.38-10-generic-pae
[03:56] <gotenks> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-2.6.38-10-generic-pae'
[03:57] <blackshirt> dpkg -l | grep linux-image-2.6 | grep pae
[03:57] <blackshirt> Or similar like this
[03:57] <escott> gotenks, you could even try apt-get remove "linux-image-2*" and see if that picks up anything
[03:58] <escott> gotenks, not sure why dpkg would lose track of a package like that
[03:58] <almoxarife> gotenks: do you have pastebinit installed?
[03:58] <gotenks> escott: same error for that command too
[03:59] <blackshirt> i think you changes your  apt sources.list and miss for update
[04:00] <escott> gotenks, i guess just "sudo rm -i /boot/*2.6*" and it will ask you about each file
[04:00] <gotenks> escott. OK, I'll do that, I'll let you know how it goes!
[04:01] <almoxarife> gotenks: do you konw how to use 'synaptic'?
[04:01] <viking667> ummmm, 2.6?
[04:01] <gotenks> amoxarife, I do, and I have pastebin
[04:01] <viking667> that MUST have been from an earlier release.
[04:02] <almoxarife> gotenks: use synaptic, and with it, search for 'linux-image' , that should list all kernels installed or not, you are looking for the installed, should have one viable one, the one you are using, the rest can be removed
[04:03] <gotenks> escott, I said yes to all. and it looks like the space is back. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I really appreciate it. I wish I could pay you a beer or something
[04:03] <dwarder> i have a usb hdd with ubuntu installed on it, and it works on many PC and notebooks that i have (booting from usb and running OS) i was wondering if it is possible to boot from this hdd on my mac book pro?
[04:03] <gotenks> almoxarife, we solved it, escott helped me out. the problem here was that these kernels did not show up in synaptic
[04:04] <almoxarife> gotenks: alrighty
[04:04] <blackshirt> gotenks,is it your own kernel build by your self ?
[04:04] <almoxarife> gotenks: and you didnt wipe the kernel that is in memory right now, yes?
[04:05] <gotenks> almoxarife, nono, I wiped out a bunch of 2.6 kernels. I have 3.5 I believe now
[04:05] <dwarder> almoxarife: awesome question =)
[04:05] <gotenks> I-m a noob, but not that much
[04:05] <gotenks> blackshirt, no, it'snot
[04:05] <almoxarife> gotenks: i would reboot, now, just to see what is what
[04:06] <almoxarife> !info update-grub
[04:07] <viking667> it's a command, not a package
[04:08] <almoxarife> i need help with rdp server on lxde, how to set up, so far no go here
[04:08] <almoxarife> viking667: yes, and it would also tell me what kernels are still viable
[04:09] <almoxarife> do i need to be in the group to get access to the server?
[04:10] <viking667> uhm... I suspect I'm missing something too. I no longer have a update-grub (or update-grub2) command. I'm wondering if we've got it wrong?
[04:10] <almoxarife> viking667: look at the file /etc/default/grub , is the update command still the same?
[04:11] <viking667> I'll have to check that.
[04:11] <viking667> Ah, silly me. I'm the wrong user.
[04:12] <viking667> it's in /usr/sbin
[04:12] <viking667> and the binary can be found in the grub2-common package
[04:13] <gdeeble> Hey, curiosity. Does anyone know if the widget found on Damn Small Linux, with load, usage, etc, exists for ubuntu as a widget? Not using htop or system monitor.
[04:13] <blunttuu> hi
[04:14] <blunttuu> if anyone has any unbuntu related questions feel free to message me
[04:14] <blunttuu> i mean ubuntu
[04:15] <almoxarife> blunttuu:  i need help with rdp server on lxde, how to set up, so far no go here
[04:15] <dwarder> sooo, no way to boot from ubuntu usb hdd?
[04:15] <dwarder> on mac book
[04:15] <blunttuu> i would ask viking667  almoxarife
[04:16] <blunttuu> he sounds pretty smart
[04:16] <almoxarife> dwarder: darn, works mostly on a rooted kindle :)
[04:16] <blunttuu> lol
[04:16] <viking667> actually, I've never worked with a macbook.
[04:16] <viking667> sorry.
[04:16] <viking667> so I don't know how to get it to boot from a USB drive
[04:16] <[Saint]> Gee...that's a tough one. PM an individual that misspells Ubuntu, or, use the channel is it is intended.
[04:16] <[Saint]> ...tough call. ;)
[04:16] <almoxarife> blunttuu: so you cant help me?
[04:17] <Kindari> Hey all. Trying to get a command in the form of "sudo -u user" etc to execute that users .bashrc so the path is properly resolved. Any advice?
[04:17]  * cfhowlett errrrrr
[04:17] <viking667> and in addition, the last time I used rdp to boot a linux, I was playing with kernel 2.0, not 3.2
[04:17] <dwarder> almoxarife: hmm, well, just hooking it up to mac book doesn't boot linux :(
[04:18] <viking667> anyhow, nobody seems inclined to answer my pulseaudio question.
[04:18] <almoxarife> viking667: no need to boot, been booted, i need rdp for 'sound' !
[04:18] <viking667> so I need to uhm, depart.
[04:18] <viking667> "rdp"?
[04:18] <almoxarife> yes
[04:18] <viking667> ugh. my apologies. I mistook the environment.
[04:19] <tizz> hello folks, is there a "non-help" ubuntu channel?
[04:19] <[Saint]> viking667: this is IRC, you need to be prepared to idle for multiple hours.
[04:19] <viking667> and no, I've never set up a rdp server, only whatever serves as the X remote accessing thingy.
[04:19] <[Saint]> Just because someone doesn't answer *right now* doesn't mean that people don't read logs and someone won't answer later.
[04:19] <almoxarife> viking667: yes, got that one's
[04:19] <viking667> heh. I know that, but frankly I waited for days on another question. nobody actualy knew the answer.
[04:20] <viking667> tightvnc, or whatever the other one is... vino?
[04:20] <viking667> vinagre?
[04:20] <almoxarife> viking667: useless for sound
[04:20] <viking667> yeah, so I'm finding. Any way to access the remote's pulseaudio server?
[04:21] <almoxarife> viking667: its an arm- :)
[04:21] <viking667> or more properly, for the remote end to access the local pulseaudio server?
[04:21] <viking667> h...m
[04:21] <rrajbe> Hi Everyone, i want to start a process as daemon, by adding script at /etc/init.d/ and to restart if its ever killed.
[04:21] <rrajbe> I had completed the adding script as below..
[04:21] <almoxarife> viking667: lxde-arm on a rooted kindle,
[04:22] <rrajbe> while ! daemon_process &; do
[04:22] <rrajbe> echo " restarting";done
[04:22] <rrajbe> But its still not restarting if im killing that.
[04:22] <rrajbe> Any help please?
[04:22] <viking667> almoxarife: is it the one running the desktop you want to access? or are you using it to access a local desktop?
[04:24] <tizz> hello folks, is there a "non-help" ubuntu channel? like just a general chat?
[04:24] <zykotick9> !ot | tizz
[04:24] <almoxarife> viking667: it is running in background, accessed presently via ssh and vnc, i cant get sound via vnc, but i expect that, its vnc
[04:24] <tizz> ty folks
[04:26] <stareagyl> viking: wikipedia suggests mplayer
[04:26] <viking667> sigh. It would.
[04:26] <stareagyl> :-)
[04:26] <viking667> I'm trying to actualy get my minecraft to do full 5/7.1 surround sound, but in my headphones.
[04:27] <viking667> ... after all, I don't have seven speakers, I only have two.
[04:27] <blunttuu> two is enough
[04:27] <viking667> so either stereo would do (unfortunately) or I have to work out how to downmix.
[04:27] <blunttuu> any more than two, means you are spoiled
[04:27] <viking667> silly thing is, the game knows what dolby is.
[04:27] <viking667> awww. gee.
[04:27] <blunttuu> Lol
[04:27] <viking667> call me an audiophile then. I like my sound.
[04:27] <NastyNaz> anyone know how I can upload to google music via command line only? (running ubuntu server)
[04:28] <viking667> almoxarife: so. I stil don't have something straight. let me re-read.
[04:29] <viking667> so, which end is being the server? And which end is the viewer that you want sound on?
[04:29] <DaemonicApathy> NastyNaz: http://www.androidcentral.com/google-music-manager-now-available-linux
[04:30] <DaemonicApathy> You may have to use the hud cli with that, I'm not sure.
[04:30] <NastyNaz> DaemonicApathy: i'm running headless with no GUI. I don't think that version supports CLI commands
[04:31] <DaemonicApathy> NastyNaz: Hm, fair enough. You've intrigued me into further research. ;-)
[04:36] <klync> one of my system services (mpd) won't start correctly at boot, but leaves a process running i have to kill, after which I can restart it with `/etc/init.d/mpd`. doing `start mpd` or `service mpd start` just hangs
[04:41] <NastyNaz> DaemonicApathy: thanks!
[04:41] <DaemonicApathy> np
[04:45] <nefarious> hello
[04:46] <tizz> hi
[04:46] <tizz> or not
[04:46] <tizz> w/e
[04:49] <stareagyl> Nasty: http://antimatter15.com/wp/2011/05/uploading-mp3s-to-google-music-beta-from-linux-chrome-os-win-and-mac/
[04:49] <stareagyl> fun story with integrated clues
[04:53] <dfcnvt> hey guys, how do you get the ps/2 mouse to reset or get recoginzed? My mouse is not moving (tried to unplug/plug, restart system, nothing worked)
[04:53] <zykotick9> dfcnvt: don't unplug a ps/2 mouse from a running system...
[04:53] <viking667> for PS/2 you have to power down
[04:53] <viking667> and start up again
[04:54] <dfcnvt> Tried that. didn't seems to work.
[04:54] <viking667>  tried the mouse on another ps2-able machine?
[04:54] <[Saint]> If that's the case, ...the system has problems. Be it hardware or software.
[04:55] <dfcnvt> Yes, the mouse is  not a defect.
[04:55] <[Saint]> But, anyway, yeah...there's no plug-and-play for PS/2
[04:55] <[Saint]> you need to reboot.
[04:55] <viking667> good, that's one step out of the way
[04:55] <viking667> no, not reboot. Power DOWN.
[04:55] <viking667> a reboot doesn't always reset the circuitry.
[04:55] <dfcnvt> While the system is running?
[04:55] <viking667> a powercycle will.
[04:55] <viking667> hm.-
[04:56] <[Saint]> How do you reboot a system that isn't running? :P
[04:56] <viking667> is the system in front of you? (i.e. not remote)
[04:56] <dfcnvt> You meant to say I should 'Shutdown' the system and give it a few second reset then start the system up.
[04:56] <dfcnvt> Correct?
[04:56] <viking667> yup
[04:56] <dfcnvt> rest*
[04:56] <viking667> commonly called powercycling.
[04:56] <dfcnvt> Alright then
[04:57] <dfcnvt> Let it be I, follow the community's recommendation.
[04:57] <[Saint]> A reboot _should_ be sufficient, but viking667 is likely correct that a power cycle is the guaranteed method.
[04:57] <dfcnvt> Off I go. Thanks though.
[04:57] <viking667> good luck
[04:58] <viking667> I've had older machines that didn't do a full hardware reset, in order to save a few thousand cycles for the reboot.
[04:58] <gnnr> sometime reinstalling xserver-xorg-input-mouse mdetect xbase-clients
[04:59] <verempuan> arggggggh
[05:00] <verempuan> asa
[05:00] <verempuan> hi
[05:01] <gnnr> hi verempuan if you have a question you can simply ask and wait for someone to answer
[05:01] <NastyNaz> DaemonicApathy: sadly those scripts dont work anymore as of the latest google updated :(
[05:01] <verempuan> how to resize resolution monitor on ubuntu ?
[05:02] <ses1984> i'm trying to get openldap authentication to work on a client, and i think it is, but i'm not sure how to log in as an ldap client from the login screen
[05:02] <ses1984> it seems like i can su to an ldap user, but i don't see ldap users in the login screen. i'm using 12.04
[05:03] <DaemonicApathy> Ah, sorry NastyNaz. I tried.
[05:03] <zangetsu> if u are using unity there should be a settings icon on the left hand bar verempuan
[05:05] <kvothetech> verempuan: xrandr unless you're in nvidia
[05:06] <blunttuu> ok
[05:07] <datruth> Is there away to increase my screen brightness?
[05:10] <viking667> what type of screen is it?
[05:10] <viking667> laptop? CRT? LED/LCD?
[05:12] <datruth> viking667: laptop
[05:14] <zangetsu> usually u have function keys on ur laptop to do that datruth
[05:15] <Jordan_U> datruth: If this function of your display is supported through normal means, an option for this should appear in the power saving settings as well (though I can't confirm at the moment as I'm at a Desktop machine).
[05:16] <datruth> Jordan_U: in the power settings the display is set to max also my fn keys work in changing the display I just dont think its reaching a full 100% is there a sysctl that could assist with this?
[05:21] <Jordan_U> datruth: Why do you suspect that it's not 100%?
[05:22] <datruth> Jordan_U: because in windows my screen is much much brighter
[05:23] <zangetsu> datruth: in my laptop fn+up-arrow/down-arrow changes brightness.
[05:24] <Jordan_U> datruth: Can you tell if the screen backlight is brighter or darker during very early boot (especially while still in the firmware screens) than when booted into Ubuntu?
[05:24] <zykotick9> datruth: it's not an asus netbook is it?
[05:26] <zangetsu> datruth: some laptops have brightness function assigned to one of the function keys F1-F12
[05:26] <sargennto> Anybody happen to have Hulu Desktop working on 12.04?
[05:26] <sargennto> I just get a segmentation fault error when I run it
[05:27] <datruth> zangetsu: yes I have a asus g74s
[05:27] <datruth> zangetsu: is their a specific issue with asus laptops?
[05:28] <datruth> Jordan_U: when booting to ubuntu the screen is dim then when it gets to the login it brightens up
[05:29] <zangetsu> datruth: i think fn-F5 and fn-F6 are the brightness changing keys for ur laptop
[05:30] <Jordan_U> datruth: Is the login screen the same brightness as post-login (i.e. still less than in Windows at 100%)?
[05:31] <datruth> zangetsu: yes that is correct after making some xorg.conf /etc/default/grub changes
[05:31] <datruth> Jordan_U: yes
[05:31] <strat1227> hi all
[05:32] <strat1227> i'm wondering, i updated from 10.04 to the current version, and i don't like unity at all. is there a simple way to use the old setup in 12.10?
[05:32] <zykotick9> !notunity | strat1227
[05:33] <strat1227> thanks all, i'll check that out
[05:33] <strat1227> all of that is easily un-doable correct?
[05:37] <EmmEight> what is the command to open up the network manager
[05:38] <zykotick9> EmmEight: nm-applet
[05:38] <EmmEight> what about in KDE
[05:42] <sargennto> Since installing the 'xubuntu-desktop' packages my volume slider graphic in Unity is now not displaying... Anybody know what gives?
[05:42] <ses1984> i'm trying to get openldap authentication working, and it seems to be working because from the command line i can sudo su ldap_user,
[05:43] <ses1984> but i would like to be able to log in to an ldap user with the unity desktop. i'm using 12.04
[05:49] <mns> how do I get the icons on the left hand side in Unity to be smaller ?  I dont like the fact that I've got to scroll up and down for them
[05:49] <sd> how many type of browse can you install in ubuntu
[05:50] <DaemonicApathy> mns: Settings > Appearance > Launcher Icon size (using 12.04.1)
[05:51] <sd> how many type of browse can you install in ubuntu
[05:51] <sd> no one knows
[05:51] <sd> omg is that bad
[05:51] <DaemonicApathy> As many as you want, as long as they exist for the system, sd.
[05:51] <DaemonicApathy> Btw, 1 minute is not long enough for "no one knows".
[05:51] <sd> and what are the available browser ?
[05:52] <DaemonicApathy> I'm sure Google knows.
[05:52] <mns> DaemonicApathy: I dont have any such setting.  I"m on 12.04 I think.  How do I tell what version I'm on ?
[05:52] <sd> i hate googls
[05:53] <DaemonicApathy> mns: You can check in the System Monitor, in the far left tab.
[05:53] <hongtinh> mns: lsb_release -a
[05:55] <mns> according to that I"ve got 12.04 (precise)
[05:57] <DaemonicApathy> If you don't have the option in the system settings, I suggest installing compizconfig-settings-manager, where you can adjust most features of Unity fairly easily. s long as you don't mess around with things you don't understand.
[06:05] <iIlL0oO> how to remove zeitgeist in 12.04 ?
[06:07] <DaemonicApathy> iIlL0oO: Why not just disable it?
[06:07] <iIlL0oO> DaemonicApathy: how to disable it
[06:08] <DaemonicApathy> System Settings > Privacy > switch in the lower right
[06:08] <iIlL0oO> DaemonicApathy: thank you
[06:08] <DaemonicApathy> Any time.
[06:11] <iIlL0oO> DaemonicApathy: there is no Privacy in gnome-control-center --overview
[06:12] <Bustacap> I'm bored, there are 1300 people less in offtopic.
[06:13] <Bustacap> Someone talk to me :)
[06:13] <DaemonicApathy> iIlL0oO: For me, it's between Language Support and Ubuntu One. Are you not on 12.04.1?
[06:14] <joey8> hi bustacap
[06:14] <iIlL0oO> Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
[06:14] <DaemonicApathy> I have no idea why it would be missing for you.
[06:15] <Bustacap> HI!!!!!
[06:15] <joey8> Bustacap: :)
[06:15] <iIlL0oO> DaemonicApathy: ok , I'll chmod -x for it .
[06:15] <Bustacap> joey8, what's up?!
[06:15] <iIlL0oO> DaemonicApathy: thank you
[06:15] <DaemonicApathy> Yw.
[06:19] <Phoebus> Facing dependency hell on an offline (has to be offline) ubuntu precise (desktop, and the server editions, different boxes). ANY way to download packages WITH dependencies to deploy?
[06:19] <Bustacap> joey8, left me, I need a new friend.
[06:19] <Bustacap> Someone pm me.
[06:19] <qmr> ubuntu 12.04 pretty stock install.  unity keeps doing this stupid expose thing on some type of input from my touchpad. (which I am almost certain is not multi touch)  how do I disable this?  It is EXTREMELY annoying
[06:19] <zykotick9> !aptoncd | Phoebus
[06:20] <Phoebus> Cheers zykotick9 :)
[06:20] <iIlL0oO> qmr: apt-get install gnome-shell , logout for select
[06:21]  * Thrasher194 walksbackwards
[06:21]  * Bustacap walks backwards faster
[06:21] <qmr> sgjdfsk;lgjdfsk;lgajklgj;lkj won't stop.  about to break laptop.
[06:21] <qmr> iIlL0oO: I can't disable it somewhere in settings?
[06:22]  * Bustacap likes moon walking.
[06:22] <iIlL0oO> qmr: I'v no idea . I use cairo-dock instead
[06:24] <qmr> I just did metacity --replace and it is still doing it.  wtf.
[06:26] <qmr> I logged in as "Ubuntu 2D" ..
[06:27] <rayleigh> say hi
[06:27] <qmr> gconftool-2 --toggle /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager  .. that did it.
[06:29] <DouglasK> How do I install the "3rd party software" (mp3, etc) after installation?  package name(s) are fine
[06:31] <sargennto> DouglasK: You should just be able to install the 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' package
[06:31] <DouglasK> thanks, that's just what I needed.  :)
[06:31] <sargennto> DouglasK: I assume you mean for mp3/dvd play back and such?
[06:32] <sargennto> NP :)
[06:34] <zykotick9> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras | DouglasK fyi, does NOT have DVD support here
[06:35] <DouglasK> That's fine ... no optical drive in this machine anyway.  :)
[06:37] <AlMalaak> hello
[06:38] <bobweaver> hello AlMalaak :)
[06:38] <AlMalaak> hi
[06:39] <AlMalaak> i resized my lvm partition via this
[06:39] <AlMalaak> http://www.tcpdump.com/kb/os/linux/lvm-resizing-guide/shrink.html
[06:39] <AlMalaak> and it seems to work fine
[06:39] <FloodBot1> AlMalaak: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:39] <AlMalaak> gparted now says there is 114gb free on lvm partition
[06:43] <AlMalaak> im wondering how to take advantage of that 114gb free?
[06:43] <AlMalaak> so i can install windows?
[06:44] <krishank> hii
[06:45] <krishank> i want to track websites that visited by the user in my network
[06:47] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: If you only shrunk the logical volume, and not the physical volume, then Windows will not be able to access it as Windows does not understand LVM (at least not by default).
[06:47] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: Why did you shrink the volume?
[06:48] <AlMalaak> jordan, i shrunk both
[06:49] <AlMalaak> Jordan_U, i wanted to take 50gb away and give it to windows(to install windows onto)
[06:49] <strat1227> hi all, quick question
[06:49] <AlMalaak> so i followed the instructions on that page, and it seems to have worked
[06:49] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: Could you pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l"?
[06:49] <AlMalaak> jordan, one second, let me reboot to get network access
[06:49] <strat1227> just installed ubuntu 12.10, and the volume bar is very very skewed
[06:50] <strat1227> meaning unless the volume is at 80% or higher, it's inaudible
[06:50] <AlMalaak> i was basically trying to free up 50gb so i can install win8 onto it
[06:50] <strat1227> and the entire range of volumes is contained in that last 20%
[06:50] <strat1227> any thoughts on how this could be fixed?
[06:53] <roodyyy> hi
[06:54] <moon`> I'm trying to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 and I'm getting this error while attempting: Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[06:54] <almoxarife> moon`: yeap, its not there, 404 for sure
[06:54] <moon`> ideally I'm trying to get my system current with the latest distro.  I haven't used this computer since 2010 and I've forgotten a lot of linux commands and the like but needing to get this box up and running again so I pulled it out of storage
[06:55] <moon`> any suggestions almoxarife?
[06:55] <AlMalaak> Jordan_U, http://pastebin.ca/2268221
[06:55] <almoxarife> moon`: whats the aversion to virgin install of 12.04?
[06:56] <moon`> I suppose there isn't one as long as I don't lose anything on the hd's
[06:56] <almoxarife> moon`backup the home dir, and do a clean 12.04? its lts
[06:57] <boo_> moon : There's an option in the package manager to check for a new distro
[06:57] <moon`> lts?
[06:57] <Jordan_U> Akuma: Your physical volume, /dev/sda1, is still 500 GiB.
[06:57] <almoxarife> moon`: long term maintenance
[06:57] <AlMalaak> Jordan_U, you mean me?:)
[06:58] <AlMalaak> this is what i did: http://www.tcpdump.com/kb/os/linux/lvm-resizing-guide/shrink.html.  I downsized home 50gb, or so i thought
[06:58] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: Yes. Sorry for the mis-highlight Akuma.
[06:58] <AlMalaak> i told it to be 300000M
[06:58] <AlMalaak> logically and physically
[06:58] <AlMalaak>  /dev/mapper/vg_laptop-lv_home to 300000M
[06:59] <AlMalaak> it was like 350000M or something
[06:59] <AlMalaak> basically i tried to shave 50gb off
[06:59] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: That guide never goes over changing the size of the physical volume.
[07:00] <AlMalaak> well, i did resize2fs and then lvresize
[07:00] <AlMalaak> so i only changed the logical volume?
[07:00] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: /dev/mapper/vg_laptop-lv_home is the logical volume, the physical volume is /dev/sda2.
[07:00] <AlMalaak> doh!
[07:00] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: Yes, the prefix "lv" stands for logical volume.
[07:00] <AlMalaak> well, i thought i could then use gparted to change the physical volume, but that doesn't seem to work
[07:01] <AlMalaak> Jordan_U, for some reason, gparted says 114GB of /dev/sda2 lvm is free
[07:01] <AlMalaak> im not sure why, since i only reduced it 50GB
[07:02] <AlMalaak> Jordan_U, what do i do now?
[07:02] <bobweaver> what is the difference between  upgrade and dist-upgrade ?
[07:02] <AlMalaak> to resize physvol?
[07:02] <AlMalaak> pvresize?
[07:04] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: Try "sudo pvresize --test --setphysicalvolumesize 450G /dev/sda2"
[07:04] <AlMalaak> i tried to use gparted to do the physical resizing, but it has an already allocated error
[07:04] <almoxarife> bobweaver: the later is a upgrade in distro, like up one
[07:05] <bobweaver> almoxarife,  then what is different about do-release and dist-upgrade
[07:05] <AlMalaak>  /dev/sda2: cannot resize to 14399 extents as later ones are allocated.
[07:05] <bobweaver> sorry
[07:05] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: Confirm that the new size, 450 GiB, is correct.
[07:05] <almoxarife> bobweaver: not sure about 'do-release'
[07:05] <almoxarife> !do-release
[07:06] <almoxarife> !info do-release
[07:06] <Jordan_U> !dist-upgrade | bobweaver
[07:06] <AlMalaak> well, /dev/sda1 is 50gb and it's boot
[07:06] <bobweaver> I can not seem to get to the bottom of this. If I run dist-upgrade it only runs if like going  from beta to alpha ? woops other way around
[07:06] <AlMalaak> i think /dev/sda2 is 450gb but i want it 400gb
[07:06] <Jordan_U> bobweaver: If you want to upgrade to a new release, see !upgrade.
[07:06] <almoxarife> bobweaver: more like from 12.4 > 12.10
[07:07] <AlMalaak> pvresize --test --setphysicalvolumesize 400G /dev/sda2   /dev/sda2: cannot resize to 12799 extents as later ones are allocated.
[07:07] <NikP> The Christian O' Connel Breakfast Show!!!
[07:07] <dasfgasd> which ubuntu distro is best for a netbook with 1gb ram running on a single core atom processor?
[07:07] <bobweaver> Jordan_U, Nope not sure how the question came about but I was stuck and forums that I read aree all for red hat and what not. So thanks  so it is like runinng     apt-get build-deps but for all packages that are installed ?
[07:08] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: There is space allocated after 450 GiB into the pv, (which is much after 400 GiB in).
[07:08] <Dr_willis> dasfgasd,  unity works fine on my netbooks. but Lubuntu would be the lightest in resources
[07:08] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: Please pastebin the output of "sudo pvdisplay /dev/sda2".
[07:08] <AlMalaak> http://pastebin.ca/2268741
[07:08] <AlMalaak> it looks like the space is 9622-13287 is free
[07:08] <dasfgasd> Dr_willis: gnome is too resource heavy for my netbook imho
[07:08] <bobweaver> seems like Each time that I run dist-upgrade it installs a new kernel :/
[07:09] <dasfgasd> unity runs on top of gnome, correct?
[07:09] <Jordan_U> bobweaver: No, apt-get build-dep is for grabbing the build-dependencies of a package, it isn't related to dist-upgrade in any way.
[07:09] <Dr_willis> dasfgasd,  unity is a plugin for compiz thats using gnome3 yes.
[07:09] <dasfgasd> k
[07:09] <AlMalaak> http://pastebin.ca/2268792
[07:09] <AlMalaak>   Physical extent 9622 to 13287:
[07:09] <AlMalaak>     FREE
[07:10] <bobweaver> Jordan_U,  sorry I still dont get it I am dence sometimes can you try to explain a little more. I mean the  bot says that it grabs Deps: that are for packages that are installed or somethingto that fnature
[07:11] <local> dasfgasd: tinylinux, or puppy linux...if you are looking for something small. not sure if you are particular on ubuntu.
[07:11] <dasfgasd> nah, i want ubuntu
[07:12] <dasfgasd> well, if gnome 3 takes advantage of the intel graphics then it should possibly run smoother than lxde or xfce
[07:12] <bobweaver> Jordan_U,  I guess like why are some packages held back untill running dist-upgrade ?  is it like debian with stable expermental ect ?
[07:12] <dasfgasd> i mean
[07:12] <dasfgasd> right?
[07:12] <lesshaste> I just installed quantal and it logs me in without a password. I want to change desktop but I don't get that option. How can I do that?
[07:13] <bobweaver> lesshaste,  users and passwords
[07:13] <lesshaste> bobweaver, is this in a menu?
[07:13] <bobweaver> lesshaste, are you using unity ? or what DE ?
[07:14] <lesshaste> unity I believe.. whatever the default is
[07:14] <lesshaste> I have installed lubuntu-desktop and want to switch to it
[07:14] <bobweaver> lesshaste, you can just tyoe in "user" into the search bar in Unity Dash
[07:15] <lesshaste> bobweaver, ok I see users and groups, for example
[07:15] <Dr_willis> lesshaste,  you can log out and it shoul go to the lightdm login screen
[07:16] <lesshaste> Dr_willis, oh you mean as opposed to restarting?
[07:16] <Dr_willis> you may want to disable the auto-login feature.  also if you plan on changeing back
[07:16] <Dr_willis> lesshaste,  yes... just log out.. ;)
[07:16] <lesshaste> Dr_willis, right.. how do I disable the auto-login feature?
[07:16] <Dr_willis> No idea. I never enable the silly thing. ;P
[07:16] <lesshaste> :)
[07:16] <bobweaver> lesshaste, you need to add a password to user
[07:16] <Dr_willis> I think they should remove the option from the Installer.
[07:16] <AlMalaak> Jordan_U, ?
[07:16] <Jordan_U> bobweaver: Right now Firefox doesn't have "Playing tuxcart" as a standard feature, and so the "firefox" package doesn't depend on the tuxcart package. In the future, if the firefox developers go crazy, they might decide that the next version of Firefox should depend on tuxcart. So if this new version of Firefox that depended on tuxcart were made available in the repositories "apt-get upgrade" would refuse to upgrade you to it, as ...
[07:16] <Jordan_U> ... it would require installation of a new package. Instead you would be stuck with the old pre-tuxcart version of Firefox. Ideally, package dependencies shouldn't change within a stable release, so dist-upgrade should only be needed if you're following the development of an Ubuntu alpha/beta.
[07:17] <AlMalaak> oh i see you were busy:)
[07:17] <Dr_willis> the user still has a password even if its set to auto login i belive.
[07:17] <RangerMauve> Erm. Is there a way to log in as root and edit a file from the command line if I've locked mysef from being able to login on my one account?
[07:17] <Dr_willis> RangerMauve,  recovery mode, single user mode, live cd..
[07:17] <Phoebus> zykotick9, missing a step, not mentioned in any manual. What if the offline systems don't have aptoncd to restore? Not seeing this anywhere, thanks.
[07:17] <RangerMauve> What can I do in recovery mode?
[07:18] <bobweaver> Jordan_U,  thanks a ton that makes 100% sense Thanks a ton
[07:18] <Jordan_U> bobweaver: You're welcome.
[07:18] <Dr_willis> RangerMauve,  or login in as a differnt user, then get a root shell,/fix things  and/or su to the user
[07:18] <RangerMauve> I tried the option that brings up a shell logged in as root, but everything os read only
[07:18] <Dr_willis> thers a menu item/option to remount /  in r/w mode i recall.
[07:18] <RangerMauve> I only have one user, and the logon screen only lets me log in as that
[07:19] <AlMalaak> Jordan_U, did you see my pastebin?
[07:19] <Dr_willis> RangerMauve,  and whats the core of the probolem? how did you  lock yourself out?
[07:19] <RangerMauve> I made it so that when I log in, my PATH fucks up. TT-TT
[07:20] <Jordan_U> !language | RangerMauve
[07:20] <Dr_willis> RangerMauve,  you could login as the user at the console and fix the path befor you do things.. depending onwht you did.
[07:20] <RangerMauve> All because of a stupid mistake when adding an environment variable
[07:20] <kvothetech> RangerMauve: add a 1 to the kernel line on boot it'll boot you to init mode 1 which should dump you in as root
[07:20] <vbgunz> anyone have experience running games in a separate xserver? I am trying that out and Bastion opens up with a smaller resolution (it really appears shrunk) and there is no sound. Anyone know how to address this?
[07:20] <RangerMauve> Sorry for thhlanguage
[07:20] <usr13> RangerMauve: What exactly did you do?
[07:20] <kvothetech> RangerMauve: and $PATH= then export $PATH if you can login at all should fix that
[07:21] <AlMalaak> Jordan_U, sorry to repeat, but did you see my pastebin?
[07:21] <RangerMauve> I changed that one file, acts like .profile
[07:21] <almoxarife> i thought buntu drops you right into a root shell as a grub option
[07:22] <Dr_willis> almoxarife,  it has a recovery item that has some extra features. but can do a root shell also
[07:22] <local> show_names_on_join = OFF
[07:22] <almoxarife> Dr_willis: use my nick again, something happened here, go
[07:23] <Dr_willis> almoxarife,  what if i dont want to... ;P
[07:23] <RangerMauve> Erm, can I log in from grub?
[07:23] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: Yes. I don't work with LVM very much but it looks like your PV has 14888 Physical Extents ("Total PE              14888") and the logical volume lv_root is using Physical Extents up to extent 14887 ("Physical extent 13288 to 14887"). Since the last extents of the PV are in use, you can't reduce the size of the PV. You probably need to pvmove the logical volume extents around so that the free extents within the PV are at ...
[07:23] <Jordan_U> ... the end.
[07:23] <Dr_willis> grub is a boot loader - you give options to RangerMauve. so no,
[07:23] <almoxarife> Dr_willis: thnks, i thought sound came from speakers while i had buds in, sorry :)
[07:23] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: And it took a while to write that comment :)
[07:24] <AlMalaak> sorry
[07:24] <AlMalaak> Jordan_U, is there an easy way to pvmove?
[07:24] <Jordan_U> RangerMauve: Boot into recovery mode to get to a root shell.
[07:24] <RangerMauve> It seems that I was giben an option to open a command line at the grub menu when I force shutdown during boot
[07:24] <Dr_willis> RangerMauve,  so either tell us what happens if you try to login at the console. (assuming X is broken) and we can try to fix the issue.
[07:25] <RangerMauve> Jordan_U the consile logs in as read only
[07:25] <Dr_willis> RangerMauve,   the normal console, from a normal login - may let you fix things RangerMauve
[07:25] <Phoebus> !offline
[07:25] <Dr_willis> the recovery mode. has options to remount the OS in read/wriute mode
[07:25] <RangerMauve> I'm on Ubuntu 12.04 so I just go right to Unity's login screen
[07:26] <Dr_willis> RangerMauve,  so ... hit alt-ctrl-f1 and see if you can login at the consoel..
[07:26] <Jordan_U> RangerMauve: mount -o remount,rw /
[07:26] <RangerMauve> The problem is that I can't log in at all at the moment
[07:26] <RangerMauve> Mk
[07:29] <RangerMauve> Oh jesus. So, it seema that the password that I use for sudo, is NOT my root password, and I have no idea what it was. Sounds fun
[07:29] <almoxarife> RangerMauve: never was
[07:29] <Dr_willis> RangerMauve,  you dont login directly as root on ubuntu normally.
[07:30] <Dr_willis> try loging in at the consoel as your user...
[07:30] <RangerMauve> Yeah, but now I can't log in at all.
[07:30] <Dr_willis> what HAPPENS if you try to login at the console?
[07:30] <RangerMauve> Seems my actual user credentials are 'incorrect' somehow
[07:30] <almoxarife> RangerMauve: cntr-alt-f1
[07:31] <RangerMauve> Yeah, I have the console. Are usernames case sensitive or something?
[07:31] <usr13> RangerMauve: yes
[07:31] <almoxarife> RangerMauve: got ask, that your machine?
[07:31] <usr13> RangerMauve: and so is password
[07:31] <Dr_willis> I always use lower case. ;)
[07:32] <flowerpot> Is there a good channel to ask a question about GNU tar?
[07:32] <RangerMauve> It's alive!
[07:32] <Dr_willis> liNuX is NoRmAlY CaSe SeneSetiVe ;)
[07:32] <vbgunz> anyone know why running a game on another xserver causes there to be no sound?
[07:33] <RangerMauve> It is my machine, I just never had to type my username out since I set it up
[07:33] <Dr_willis> vbgunz,  because pulse audio is running on the desktop on the first server perhaps so has a lock on it?
[07:33] <almoxarife> vbgunz: cause xserver is not a sound server
[07:33] <usr13> RangerMauve: Did you have it set to auto-login?
[07:34] <RangerMauve> I'm just the only registered user, so it just prompts for my password
[07:34] <usr13> RangerMauve: Oh ok.
[07:34] <RangerMauve> Now I'm in, but I'll have to prepend /bin to all my commands
[07:34] <vbgunz> I thought it would be simpler, I am having a bit more luck with google too
[07:35] <Dr_willis> RangerMauve,  or set/export a correct path. :)
[07:35] <AlMalaak> pvmove /dev/sda2
[07:35] <AlMalaak>   No extents available for allocation
[07:35] <local> flowerpot: what is your question about tar?
[07:35] <flowerpot> I've been reading the tar manual regarding incremental dumping: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_section/Incremental-Dumps.html#incremental_002dop
[07:35] <flowerpot> The manual says tar will "will delete those files in the file system that did not exist in their directories when the archive was created."  However, I've tested it out, and it doesn't seem to do that - I want to know if the manual is wrong, or if I'm just confused.
[07:36] <RangerMauve> Yeah, I set it to include a directory using ~/.pam_environment
[07:37] <usr13> RangerMauve: See what it's set to now.  $PATH
[07:37] <RangerMauve> Wow... I really messed up
[07:37] <RangerMauve> My path begins with the text "$PATH"
[07:37] <Jordan_U> flowerpot: I can't find that sentence in either "man tar" or "info tar".
[07:38] <flowerpot> Jordan_U, check the webpage I linked, here: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_section/Incremental-Dumps.html#incremental_002dop
[07:38] <Jordan_U> flowerpot: Never mind, I just saw your previous comment :)
[07:39] <RangerMauve> If I delete ~/.pam_environment, would it be safe?
[07:39] <RangerMauve> All I have in there is the stuff I added which borked my path
[07:39] <Jordan_U> flowerpot: Are you using an incremental archive?
[07:40] <Dr_willis> RangerMauve,  just rename the file is the safest way
[07:40] <flowerpot> Jordan_U, yes.   I'lll give you an example of how I'm testing it
[07:40] <RangerMauve> Dr_willis, might as well. Not like it could mess stuff up more
[07:41] <Dr_willis> cant say that ive ever used .pam_enviroment :)
[07:41] <mah454> I need make backup from files ; if file edited from editors . (vim , emacs , nano , ...)
[07:41] <local> flowerpot: from what i understand it i will delete ONLY the directories that were NOT created when the backup was.
[07:41] <mah454> can do this ?
[07:41] <Jordan_U> RangerMauve: Famous last words. Best practice is to just move files.
[07:41] <RangerMauve> That's what the ubuntu site said to use to add environment variables
[07:41] <Jordan_U> RangerMauve: (and then delete after you're sure you don't need it).
[07:41] <Dr_willis> mah454,  clarify what you mean. Most text editors have a auto-make backup files feature.
[07:42] <local> flowerpot: anything after the creation date will be purged.
[07:42] <RangerMauve> Jordan_U, to be fair, the only text in there was written by me
[07:42] <Dr_willis> RangerMauve,  cant say ive Ever seen it mentioned to put env variables in there. but im old skool. I set mine in the various .bashrc* files
[07:43] <Dr_willis> theres a line in one of the bash files to set your path if you want. ;)
[07:43] <RangerMauve> Honestly, I'm glad I didn't make it a global change
[07:44] <AlMalaak> Jordan_U, my win8 DVD doesn't even work, so im going to put the lvm back the way it was
[07:44] <AlMalaak> can you tell me something?
[07:44] <AlMalaak> lvresize -l +100%FREE should i do this first then resize2fs?
[07:45] <Dr_willis> RangerMauve,  http://askubuntu.com/questions/4667/where-to-declare-environment-variables   seems to mention issues with setting the path in .pam_enviroment
[07:46] <RangerMauve> Buh
[07:46] <jiltdilfr> I have dual boot window and ubuntu.. But i have no right to modify  or delete files of window after logging in window. is there any way to change permisons on window drive using ubuntu
[07:46] <Dr_willis> jiltdilfr,  mount the windows filesystems with the proper options. andthe users can have full access to the files
[07:47] <Dr_willis> Ive used ntfs-config in the past to automate the settings. but not sure if its still a valid tool. its been sortof a flakey tweak type tool laast few releases.
[07:47] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: AlMalaak +100% means to resize it to twice the current size of the logical volume.
[07:48] <vbgunz> if anyone is curious of getting sound while in a new xserver, add yourself to the audio group and reboot. I now have sound in my games when launched on a new xserver
[07:48] <Dr_willis> makes me wonder how you had sound on the oroginal server without being in that group.
[07:48] <Dr_willis> ;)
[07:48] <AlMalaak> well, im just trying to put it back the size it was, or take up 100% of the available space
[07:48] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: +100%PVS is probably what you want, which means to add to the size of the logical volume 100% of the available free space.
[07:49] <Dr_willis> bbl.
[07:49] <AlMalaak> ok with resize or extend?
[07:49] <vbgunz> I wasn't but I had sound. I found a post about adding yourself to the audio group and I tried it out, rebooted, etc. Yup, I have sound and it is good :)
[07:49] <AlMalaak> lvresize or lvextend?
[07:49] <AlMalaak> lvextend -l +100%PVS?
[07:50] <jiltdilfr> Dr_willis : But after changing permisons i want  if i was login in windows then the windows drive have full permisson
[07:50] <RangerMauve> Woot! I'm back in. Thanks for the help, guys!
[07:53] <Jordan_U> AlMalaak: That looks good, but 1: I don't work with LVM much and 2: I'm fairly tired at the moment, so make your own judgement :)
[07:53] <AlMalaak> well, the only thing is, i resized one part of the lvm, the home part
[07:53] <AlMalaak> and now when i do 100%
[07:53] <AlMalaak> i say
[07:54] <AlMalaak> lvextend -l 100%PVS /dev/vga_laptop/vg-home
[07:54] <AlMalaak> and it says
[07:54] <AlMalaak> 55136 extends needed, only 3666 available
[07:54] <AlMalaak> 5513 extends needed, only 3666 available
[07:54] <AlMalaak> it seems to be trying to increase it to the full 465gb, but that's the size of the entire /dev/sda2
[07:54] <AlMalaak> not vg-home
[07:56] <flowerpot> Jordan_U, local: check this paste out
[07:56] <flowerpot> http://pastebin.com/Rs3BNK7L
[07:56] <RangerMauve> So, may I ask what the proper or at least, more foolproof way of adding and changing environment variables would be?
[07:57] <flowerpot> My understanding is that the behavior shown there is not the same as what the GNU website says: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_section/Incremental-Dumps.html#SEC94
[07:57] <flowerpot> My version of tar is 1.26, which is the version for which that HTML manual was written
[07:58] <AlMalaak> i have 3666 free PE
[07:58] <local> flowerpot: may i ask what you're trying to do with tar?
[07:58] <AlMalaak> how do i add 3666 extents to an lvm?
[07:58] <flowerpot> local, create incremental backups of my home folder
[07:58] <flowerpot> I want to make sure I understand the incremental backup behavior correctly, so I don't accidentally do bad things
[07:59] <flowerpot> I basically just want to know if you guys agree that the behavior in that pastebin contradicts what the manual says.
[07:59] <AlMalaak> Jordan_U, i did lvextend -l +3666
[08:00] <AlMalaak> so now there are no more free extents
[08:00] <AlMalaak> so now i do resize2fs, right?
[08:03] <inhies> is anyone aware of a google talk client that will load conversation history like teh officail one does?
[08:03] <AlMalaak> got it, thanks
[08:04] <inhies> all 3rd party ones seem unable to do that and I wonder if only the official google one has that capability :(
[08:04] <usr13> flowerpot: You could just make separate files and delete old ones as need be.
[08:04] <local> flowerpot: still trying to load those pages...my connection is spotty.
[08:04] <usr13> tar czf backup-`date +%Y-%m-%d`.tar.gz /path/to/directory/to/back/up
[08:05] <usr13> ... will create backup-2012-03-11.tar.gz and then backup-2012-04-11.tar.gz etc...
[08:06] <usr13> No, thats wrong.
[08:07] <usr13> ... will create backup-2012-11-03.tar.gz and then backup-2012-11-04.tar.gz etc...
[08:17] <jiltdil> How to install s/w through terminal?
[08:17] <flowerpot> usr13, I could, but each file would be about 500 MB; I'd rather avoid that
[08:17] <RONNCC> does the usb for lubuntu persistant dirive need to be > 4gb?
[08:18] <moon`> so I did a clean install of 12.10, it detected earlier versions of gentoo and ubuntu but did a full wipe and reinstall.  When the computer boots up I get dumped into a grub rescue prompt
[08:18] <moon`> not familiar enough with linux to do anything from there
[08:22] <flowerpot> Jordan_U, local, usr13: on the plus side...I might not really need to do incremental backup.  It's cool, but probably overkill for backing up my home directory.  If I create a tar file on a regular basis of my entire home directory, and store it in Amazon S3 (deleting the previous ones as I go), then it won't really cost me any more than storing one tar archive in S3 over the entire length of time...
[08:24] <Jordan_U> moon`: Do you have more than one hard drive?
[08:24] <moon`> I have 2 yes
[08:24] <moon`> currently using/looking at this as a solution https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[08:25] <Jordan_U> moon`: Grub's boot sector was probably installed to a different drive than the one you're booting from. Try changing the boot order in your BIOS.
[08:25] <moon`> Jordan_U: Well that makes perfect sense...  Good call, I bet you're right.  Been awhile since I've plinked on the ole desktop
[08:25] <moon`> thanks
[08:26] <Jordan_U> moon`: You're welcome. Once you're booted into Ubuntu you can run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" and configure the grub-pc package to always install grub's boot sector to both drives, that way BIOS boot priority doesn't matter.
[08:27] <daniel__> How do I prevent my IP from being shown?
[08:28] <Jordan_U> !cloak | dannib_
[08:28] <Jordan_U> dannib_: Sorry, mistab.
[08:32] <local> flowerpot: have you tried deja dup? looks like a gui solution.
[08:33] <flowerpot> i have not...ill have to look at it
[08:34] <joey8> lucky backup is really great too
[08:36] <SpaceRocket> is there a tool for converting CSV to text?
[08:37] <joey8> SpaceRocket:  csv files are formatted text files
[08:37] <joey8> SpaceRocket: open your csv file with a text editor
[08:38] <joey8> SpaceRocket: mmm i may be slightly mistaken -, try exporting the csv file as a text file
[08:38] <cnf> sigh
[08:39] <cnf> silly kde package manager is borked
[08:39] <shinao1> Hi I'm using 12.10 but i have a problem that's been nagging since 11.04.. please whats the best way to migrate from evolution to sylpheed/claws/balsa ? Im going out of my mind here and I have a lot of email in evolution. A LOT.
[08:39] <cnf> can't install shit anymore
[08:39] <joey8> is that shit v1 or shit v2
[08:40] <nilsding> good morning everyone
[08:40] <ikonia> tone down the language please.
[08:40] <cnf> joey8: either!
[08:40] <ikonia> there is no need for that language
[08:40] <nilsding> a friend of mine recently got Ubuntu and he can't get his wifi drivers working
[08:40]  * joey8 sighs
[08:41] <nilsding> it's an intel wifi one..
[08:41] <blazemore> cnf: Have you tried opening a terminal and running "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f install"
[08:41] <blazemore> nilsding: Can he get on the Internet another way, such as with a cable?
[08:41] <Kriminel> can anyone direct me to a tutorial on how to set an image based GUI for grub? i'm dual booting ubuntu 12.4.3 and windows 8
[08:41] <blazemore> Kriminel: Do you mean "image" as in "picture" ?
[08:41] <cnf> blazemore: sure, does nothing
[08:42] <nilsding> blazemore: not now
[08:42] <blazemore> cnf: You may have to be more specific with your question then
[08:42] <blazemore> rather than "is borked... can't install [redacted]"
[08:42] <Kriminel> blazemore yes, i've seen some amazing grub screenshots where it displayed the ubuntu, windows 7 and even QNX logos instead of the text interface i have now
[08:42] <cnf> blazemore: it can't elevate privs
[08:42] <blazemore> Kriminel: That's called "BURG", take a look at it
[08:42] <nilsding> he has downloaded a iwlwifi-5000-ucode-8.83,5.1.1.tar.gz
[08:42] <Kriminel> blazemore thank you, will google it now
[08:42] <blazemore> nilsding: What wifi chipset does he have?
[08:43] <blazemore> Why do you think that's the right one to download?
[08:43] <cnf> "operation can not continue as proper authorization was no provided" stuff
[08:43] <cnf> not*
[08:43] <blazemore> cnf: try #kubuntu
[08:44]  * cnf facepalms
[08:44] <nilsding> I guess it's "0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)
[08:44] <local> flowerpot: what are the contents of the .snar?
[08:44] <nilsding> at least it's what lspci says
[08:44] <noobie432> hey guys, when on a shell, what do call the word after the @ sign (example here: "ubuntu") on "john@ubuntu:" Is it the name of the computer?
[08:45] <blazemore> nilsding: Then that Intel one won't be much good. What version of Ubuntu is he running?
[08:45] <jussi> noobie432: yes, hostname
[08:45] <noobie432> jussi: thanks...
[08:45] <nilsding> the latest
[08:46] <blazemore> noobie432: It would be really useful if he could plug it in via ethernet and get a connection that way
[08:46] <blazemore> nilsding: ^
[08:46] <blazemore> sorry noobie432
[08:46] <noobie432> :)
[08:46] <blazemore> nilsding: Then he could run sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[08:47] <flowerpot> local, it's explained on the page I linked - it's a metadata file that allows tar to help determine which files have been changed, added or deleted since the last backup
[08:47] <nilsding> blazemore, I will try, thanks
[08:47] <nilsding> i'll try to give him my mobile connection
[08:47] <nilsding> brb
[08:49] <noobie432> i'm trying out a turnkeylinux+tomcat and i'm using the webshell... the prompt is root@tomcat ~# . Lol, i was trying to figure out why the shell is "executing on tomcat" instead of the core... Turns out it's just the name given fo the distro...
[08:51] <iceroot> noobie432: which is offtopic here
[08:53] <nilsding> Thank you blazemore, it worked :)
[09:05] <dzup> i got this error in precise when trying to get a .py running ImportError: No module named pyexpat any ideas?
[09:07] <ikonia> dzup: find the module it wants, check if it's installed
[09:08] <vbgunz> does anyone know why I cannot adjust the resolution of some games *when* I start them in a new xserver?
[09:09] <dzup> ikonia, i try but can not fount in py 2.7
[09:09] <ikonia> vbgunz: how / why are you starting them in a new x server
[09:09] <dzup> found*
[09:09] <ikonia> dzup: which module is it looking for ?
[09:09] <greenit> hi, i have set up ubuntu server 12.04 and installed unity-greeter, lxde, gnome-shell and xrdp... however, i can't remotely log in via xrdp.. can you help me plz?
[09:09] <dzup> pyexpat
[09:09] <ikonia> dzup: so is that part of the default ubuntu python install ?
[09:09] <dzup> ImportError: No module named pyexpat
[09:09] <dzup>  ikonia  ...you have that in your precise 64bits?
[09:10] <ikonia> dzup: that's not what I asked
[09:10] <local> flowerpot: line 24 is missing -g specifyin either the .snar or /dev/null for level 0
[09:10] <ikonia> dzup: I asked is that present in the default ubuntu python install
[09:10] <ikonia> have you checked if the module is actaully there
[09:10] <dzup> ikonia, idk
[09:10] <almoxarife> greenit: same issue here,
[09:10] <dzup> ikonia, what folder is that at?
[09:11] <vbgunz> ikonia: I was reading an arch wiki page about performance and one of the tips was starting a game in a new xserver. I can launch many if not all games, even steam big picture, etc on a new xserver *but* Bastion does not allow me to adjust the resolution and theres just something plain wrong with it understanding full screen
[09:11] <shinao1> Hi I'm using 12.10 but i have a problem that's been nagging since 11.04.. please whats the best way to migrate from evolution to sylpheed/claws/balsa ? Im going out of my mind here and I have a lot of email in evolution. A LOT.
[09:11] <ikonia> vbgunz: ok, so there is your answer....it's that one game/application
[09:11] <ikonia> I don't see why launcing something in a seperate x server would give any performance increase
[09:11] <ikonia> dzup: no idea, you'd need to check
[09:12] <vbgunz> no there is no answer. the game allows you to change resolution just not in a new xserver. I got to be missing something, not sure what it is
[09:12] <ikonia> vbgunz: so others work, but this one won't.....that suggests this program is the problem
[09:12] <ikonia> or requires a specific method
[09:13] <dzup> ikonia, am using easy_install , i check http://pypi.python.org/simple/ but its not there, but expat must be in every default install or may precise not including this anymore?
[09:13] <vbgunz> I need to know what it could be. I'm googling the issue but I am left with no ideas. It works perfect if I run it now in the current running xserver but using a new xserver and it acts weird when it shouldn't. I'm missing something
[09:13] <ikonia> dzup: I have no idea what "easy_install" is so can't comment
[09:14] <ikonia> vbgunz: it may not support it,
[09:14] <dzup> ikonia, thank you.
[09:21] <dzup> ikonia, its weird  ls /usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload/pyexpat.so
[09:21] <dzup> /usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload/pyexpat.so its there :(
[09:22] <greenit> i installed x11vnc now, but when i want to connect, it refuses.. how can i fix this?
[09:27] <shinao1> no answer? any help?
[09:27] <ikonia> shinao1: what format are you storing your mail in ?
[09:27] <ikonia> shinao1: I'm assuming it's mail you want to migrate
[09:28] <shinao1> yes its my mail
[09:28] <dzup> i solved! rm -rf uperharvest  <--that script just dont work here, soo byebye xD
[09:28] <shinao1> im not sure what format... i think its maildir
[09:28] <ikonia> shinao1: that suggests it's an imap mail server
[09:28] <shinao1> but when i tried to export as mbox it grew to about 30GB before i stopped it
[09:28] <shinao1> no evolution the email client
[09:29] <ikonia> yes, but the mail server you connect to, is that an imap server
[09:29] <ikonia> (it sounds like it is if it's maildir)
[09:30] <skiy1337> I'm having trouble getting Orca running.
[09:30] <flowerpot> local: thank you.  Turns out GNU was right and I was wrong.  In line 20 and 24, I forgot to add the -G flag (equivalent to --increment, also equivalent to --list-increment=/dev/null)
[09:30] <skiy1337> I did 'apt-get install orca', but it did not include a speech synthesizer.
[09:30] <skiy1337> What's the point?
[09:30] <flowerpot> Once I did that, the test went as expected (tmpfile and tmpsubdir are deleted by tar when restoring from the tmpdir.1.tar archive)
[09:32] <skiy1337> There isn't a "Suggests:" under apt-cache show gnome-orca, either.
[09:32] <skiy1337> So I'm really in the dark here.
[09:33] <thunder1212> hi
[09:34] <thunder1212> how do i block torrents download?
[09:35] <Ben64> thunder1212: what do you mean
[09:35] <skiy1337> thunder 1212, Router's usually have firewalls.
[09:36] <skiy1337> Just leave 80,21,110 open.
[09:36] <thunder1212> Ben64, skiy1337 and if th router doesn't have a firewall then
[09:36] <Ben64> it's pretty hard to block torrents, even with a firewall
[09:37] <skiy1337> The only other way I know, is to install a server computer in front of your router.
[09:37] <skiy1337> But that's very difficult.
[09:38] <thunder1212> Ben64, skiy1337 , i have a router which is wifi enabled and it is secured with a pre shared key,
[09:39] <Ben64> who's torrenting are you trying to block?
[09:39] <shinao1> ikonia: are you suggesting i pipe it through some imap server? im confused
[09:39] <thunder1212> Ben64, skiy1337 , and 3to 4 people connect via there laptops.. now one of them is using torrents and keeps on downloading
[09:40] <thunder1212> Ben64, skiy1337 , so we end up with a very slow connection
[09:40] <Ben64> thunder1212: then tell them to stop :|
[09:40] <navik> anyone know the command of launching ubuntus printer setup utility? Currently not using ubuntu unity...
[09:40] <skiy1337> thunder1212, I think all routers have firewalls.
[09:41] <ikonia> shinao1: I'm asking you a simple question - not telling you to do anything
[09:41] <ikonia> shinao1: is the mail server your client connects to an imap server ?
[09:41] <skiy1337> thunder1212, I can guide you through it.
[09:42] <shinao1> i have no mail server.. its the collected email in the evolution that i want to move into another email client
[09:42] <shinao1> its on my laptop
[09:42] <riply> @shinao1 are you POPing that email off of a server, or using IMAP?
[09:43] <shinao1> POPing
[09:43] <shinao1> fully poped
[09:43] <riply> @shinao1, then you should be able to just copy/paste the data from evolution
[09:43] <thunder1212> Ben64, skiy1337 , som info on my router..http://screenshots.portforward.com/Flextronics/DNA-A211-I/
[09:44] <riply> check this thread out> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1760469
[09:44] <shinao1> uh... have you seen the format? and the number of folders?
[09:44] <TomGreentimes2> okay, i have questions here, well 1, but i dont want to be told to "upgrade" to 12.04 or 12.10, both of these suddenly had my sound stop working for absolutely no reason on 2 sound cards
[09:44] <Ben64> thunder1212: really doesn't seem like a ubuntu issue, you might want to try #networking or something
[09:44] <riply> @shinao, it doesn't matter the 'format' or # of folders.
[09:45] <TomGreentimes2> i need libc6 2.15 because avidemux 2.5.6 wants that and also 2.6, so i upgraded the kernel to 3.2 thinking it would somehow widen my library, or like maybe, make it safe to replace libc6 2.13 by 2.15
[09:45] <TomGreentimes2> so what do you guys say about that ? opinions appreciated
[09:45] <Ben64> TomGreentimes2: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[09:45] <TomGreentimes2> 11.10
[09:46] <gordonjcp> TomGreentimes2: you need to upgrade to 12.04 at least
[09:46] <skiy1337> thunder1212, This is the one: http://screenshots.portforward.com/Flextronics/DNA-A211-I/Outgoing_IP_Filtering.htm
[09:46] <gordonjcp> 11.10 is no longer supported
[09:46] <TomGreentimes2> well, no, 12.04 does not agree with my hardware
[09:46] <gordonjcp> TomGreentimes2: rubbish
[09:46] <TomGreentimes2> i thought it was supported until august next year...at least patch-wise..
[09:46] <Ben64> gordonjcp: 11.10 is actually still good till April
[09:46] <thunder1212> Ben64, ok but still plz help : )
[09:46] <TomGreentimes2> i tried both buddy, and both gave me the very well documented
[09:46] <TomGreentimes2> SOUND OF SILENCE BUG
[09:46] <gordonjcp> Ben64: okay, so a couple of months
[09:47] <Ben64> unfortunately, we can't support 11.10 with 3.2 kernel or anything like that
[09:47] <TomGreentimes2> 12.10 caused it even faster
[09:47] <thunder1212> skiy1337, ok wait i'll go through it
[09:47] <Ben64> thunder1212: this is for Ubuntu only
[09:47] <gordonjcp> TomGreentimes2: are you using some deeply weird hardware?
[09:47] <TomGreentimes2> im not here to discuss this
[09:47] <TomGreentimes2> i want to know if it is dangerous to upgrade my libc6 to 2.15 from 2.13, i know it is a very core important package
[09:47] <gordonjcp> well, the solution is to upgrade from the version you're currently using, which is going to go out of support soon anyway
[09:47] <skiy1337> thunder1212, join #networking with me

[09:48] <gordonjcp> TomGreentimes2: yes, extremely
[09:48] <Ben64> TomGreentimes2: it'd probably be easier to upgrade to 12.04 than to go compiling everything to a recent version
[09:48] <TomGreentimes2> but i managed to bring the kernel to 3.2 and i was told it was the path to follow if i wanted to get that libc6
[09:48] <TomGreentimes2> ..
[09:48] <gordonjcp> TomGreentimes2: it might work, it might not, but what's far more likely is you'll get all manner of weird behaviour
[09:48] <TomGreentimes2> i had 12.04 for 2 months, sound crapped on me, 12.10, sound crapped on me even faster
[09:48] <TomGreentimes2> google around guys
[09:49] <TomGreentimes2> many people find themselves with no sound whatosever after some time
[09:49] <TomGreentimes2> its documented
[09:49] <Ben64> then fix that issue instead of causing a ton more by trying to upgrade 11.10 with newer versions of things
[09:49] <TomGreentimes2> alsa-utils doesnt have anything weird in it either, i followed all the guides until i brought back 11.10
[09:50] <TomGreentimes2> well, actually, you know what, i used to have avidemux 2.6 on backtrack 5R2, and thats kernel 3.2 but ubuntu 10.04
[09:50] <TomGreentimes2> makes you think ;)
[09:51] <TomGreentimes2> well
[09:52] <TomGreentimes2> i only have a little second question then, i'm sure you will be able to help out easily here
[09:52] <TomGreentimes2> since im about to do something risky..is there anything close to windows's system restore
[09:52] <TomGreentimes2> for ubuntu
[09:52] <riply> TomGreentimes2, you can ghost your HDD?
[09:53] <rumpe1> TomGreentimes2, btrfs can do snapshots
[09:53] <TomGreentimes2> btrfs eh
[09:53]  * TomGreentimes2 searches
[09:53] <Ben64> that won't help
[09:53] <Ben64> dd if=<boot partition> of=<somewhere to store backup>
[09:54] <Ben64> from a boot cd or something
[09:54] <TomGreentimes2> i only know the name of one program doing this well, and its a windows program, it used to do ext3/4 partitions in the past but i wouldnt know anymore these days, but its their only good product ever, norton ghost that is
[09:54] <riply> TomGreentimes2, dd is an app that copies your HDD image
[09:54] <TomGreentimes2> i know what dd is
[09:54] <TomGreentimes2> its a unix native command there since forever
[09:54] <rumpe1> TomGreentimes2, taking snapshots takes less than a seconds and you could boot into any of them after that
[09:55] <riply> TomGreentimes2, okay cool, then you're sorted as long as you can live with bouncing the box?
[09:55] <TomGreentimes2> see, the thing im not new to linux, but i havent touche it for 5 years until i got back some interest in having a dual bootin pc again
[09:55] <rumpe1> TomGreentimes2, (or make a backup of one of the snapshots without having to boot a different OS/live media)
[09:55] <Ben64> TomGreentimes2: you really should just get 12.04 working, much less hassle
[09:56] <TomGreentimes2> i have 2 external drives of 500gb, but with just 60mb left of space
[09:56] <TomGreentimes2> Ben64
[09:56] <riply> I agree with Ben64, soon you're going to have all sorts of issues when it's properly nonLTS
[09:56] <TomGreentimes2> i will gladly get back on 12.04 or even 12.10, when
[09:56] <TomGreentimes2> a) the sound issue is corrected
[09:56] <TomGreentimes2> b) 11.10 is no longer supported/given patches to
[09:57] <TomGreentimes2> so, right now this very non productive to talk about
[09:57] <Ben64> no, what you're doing is non productive
[09:57] <clarezoe> Hi, I have two "online accounts" in my settings, is that normal? I'm in ubuntu 12.10
[09:58] <TomGreentimes2> okay so i just read that if i was to upgrade my libc6 2.13 to 2.15, it would say 2.15 causes prolbems to 2.13, and if you try to remove 2.13 first its gonna try to remove 99% of your apps
[09:58] <TomGreentimes2> so you cant do it
[09:58] <clarezoe> my google talk is not working, it sais it needs authorisation but I cannot find where to set the authorisation
[09:58] <TomGreentimes2> but i'm gonna do a backup before going to bed indeed, dont want to do something hastefuly when id idnt have enough sleep
[09:59] <Ben64> sound is much easier to fix than a mangled system
[10:00] <media-centre> hey is anyones wireless screwing up
[10:00] <Ben64> !anyone | media-centre
[10:01] <media-centre> yes or no
[10:01] <media-centre> is anybodys wireless screwing up
[10:02] <Ben64> ask a real question
[10:02] <et_> i was going to say
[10:02] <et_> i just talked to your mom
[10:02] <cfhowlett> !anyone|media-centre:
[10:02] <pbt> !topic
[10:02] <TomGreentimes2> 59:27] <Ben64> sound is much easier to fix than a mangled system
[10:02] <Woosta> Hi. I've always add a respawn line to inittab, but now it's gone does anyone have a quick way to do the same in upstart without learning everything about upstart?
[10:02] <et_> and she is having wireless probs too
[10:02] <et_> lol
[10:02] <TomGreentimes2> the sound problem on 12.04 and 12.10 affecting certain people hasnt been solved yet
[10:02] <fhspenom3> Hello! My young brother delete grub folder, and boot from nautillus with ROOT!!! privilages :( i forgot to close.. what i do now???
[10:03] <TomGreentimes2> just google it ffs
[10:03] <media-centre> why are you guys being smart asses
[10:03] <media-centre> simple question
[10:03] <et_> but ill come over and fix that... and maybe give you a spanking
[10:03] <media-centre> simple answer
[10:03] <et_> at the same time
[10:03] <et_> or cut your allowance
[10:03] <media-centre> how hard can it be
[10:03] <Ben64> TomGreentimes2: theres results for "sound problem" on every single ubuntu release
[10:03] <TomGreentimes2> https://www.google.ca/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&tbo=d&site=&source=hp&q=sound+stopped+working+ubuntu+12.10+12.04&btnG=Search
[10:03] <et_> umm
[10:03] <Ben64> et_: please don't
[10:03] <cfhowlett> fhspenom3: reboot from live cd and attempt grub install from there
[10:03] <et_> okay
[10:03] <TomGreentimes2> yeah
[10:03] <et_> lets srs up
[10:03] <TomGreentimes2> but right now thats a non solved issue
[10:03] <et_> to be truthful
[10:04] <TomGreentimes2> usually i always find a very obscure way to fix things :3
[10:04] <et_> that was a dumb question
[10:04] <TomGreentimes2> but this time there wasnt
[10:04] <et_> and you werent specific
[10:04] <TomGreentimes2> i'll just use 11.10 until it stop getting upgrades
[10:04] <TomGreentimes2> deal.with.it
[10:04] <fhspenom3> cfhowlett, thanks, i do that
[10:04] <Ben64> TomGreentimes2: "Ditto here. Sounds was randomly cutting out, and this fixed it. – Just a guy Oct 25 at 2:53"
[10:04] <Ben64> looks like its solved, oh happy day
[10:04] <TomGreentimes2> yeah
[10:04] <cfhowlett> fhspenom3: good luck
[10:04] <TomGreentimes2> and then i did exctly what this thread says
[10:04] <TomGreentimes2> and it didnt work
[10:04] <et_> ya know
[10:04] <media-centre> so is anyone gonna answer my question
[10:04] <TomGreentimes2> and other people say it doesnt work
[10:04] <et_> reverting isnt a bad idea
[10:04] <TomGreentimes2> anyway, i cant convince you
[10:04] <Ben64> TomGreentimes2: how about you come back in here with 12.04 and we can fix it
[10:05] <TomGreentimes2> :)
[10:05] <et_> i have a question
[10:05] <TomGreentimes2> No
[10:05] <Ben64> then... bye
[10:05] <media-centre> well
[10:06] <et_> now with 12.10 if you pick install 3rd party and also update on the installation... will that just auto install the nvidia drivers.. and i cant get dual monitors to work...
[10:06] <media-centre> none of you arre gonna answer my question then
[10:06] <Woosta> Anyone help with my upstart question?
[10:06] <Ben64> media-centre: ask a real question
[10:06] <TomGreentimes2> 11.10 still supported means, you dont have to help me, but it is legitimate hat i can come here and sk around
[10:06] <et_> yes media
[10:06] <et_> i will
[10:06] <media-centre> it is
[10:06] <et_> no
[10:06] <Ben64> TomGreentimes2: your 11.10 is not supported here
[10:06] <et_> i am not having probs
[10:06] <et_> at all
[10:06] <FloodBot1> et_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:07] <et_> with wireless
[10:07] <media-centre> is your wirless sqrewing up
[10:07] <acerimmer_> media-centre: no.  next question.
[10:07] <media-centre> weather it is will determin if its my pc or somthing else
[10:07] <acerimmer_> media-centre: oooor you could actually provide some details
[10:08] <media-centre> my wireless is doing tth following
[10:08] <Ben64> media-centre: listen to arnold j rimmer over here, you should provide details on what problems you may be having, our experiences with wireless do not affect you
[10:08] <media-centre> connecting disconnecting
[10:08] <media-centre> takking time loading websites
[10:08] <et_> cuz if i pick software sources
[10:08] <et_> for nivida
[10:08] <TomGreentimes2> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/amd64/libc6/download
[10:08] <et_> its lame
[10:09] <et_> i dont even get a dt hardly
[10:09] <media-centre> and not connecting at all
[10:09] <TomGreentimes2> im gonna try and install this, and if it turns out that it says it will delete 99% of my apps
[10:09] <et_> for some reason i dont even show restricted drivers
[10:09] <et_> and i miss hat
[10:09] <TomGreentimes2> well, upgrading kernel is never sueful kids
[10:09] <et_> that
[10:09] <media-centre> im only thinking its either my computers going down
[10:09] <et_>  media
[10:09] <Ben64> !enter | et_
[10:10] <et_> you shouldnt have to mess with kernal
[10:10] <media-centre> or their doing maintinence work on the outside cables
[10:10] <et_> to fix that
[10:10] <et_> and you are on the wrong path to solution
[10:10] <Ben64> et_: so are you running nvidia's drivers or not?
[10:10] <et_> it has not much to do with that
[10:10] <media-centre> or its that 4tg crap blocking signals
[10:10] <codfather> Hi, can someone help me with a question on the latest dnsmasq config in Ubuntu 12.10.
[10:10] <TomGreentimes2> hahaha
[10:10]  * joey8 sighs with all this DONT DO THIS and DONT DO THAT
[10:10] <et_> ben64
[10:10] <media-centre> is that enough details for you
[10:10] <TomGreentimes2> it does not even cause a single problem
[10:11] <media-centre> can you answer my question now
[10:11] <et_> ben64 i just installed 12.10 non lts
[10:11] <TomGreentimes2> you heard that ben :p
[10:11] <et_> and to be honest