[11:02] <allu2> Is ubuntuone suppose to download files i already have?
[11:03] <allu2> i added my computer to ubuntu one which had already synced my music folder from the last installation containing the same files, yet now it started to "download" all the files again even tough they exist in the folder
[11:06] <allu2> also the sync between my eepc and desktop computer doesn't seem to be working, system monitor reports my upload and download are near 0kb/s on both devices, yet i get more then once every 5 mins announcement of how 172 files are being downloaded and few uploaded
[11:07] <allu2> ubuntuone panel says syncronicing..
[15:16] <allu2> now after around 5 hours since "start of syncing" of the files i already have totalling around 400mb the number of downloads from 172 files has dropped to 140 files.. my connections are 8mb/1mb whats wrong?
[15:42] <dobey> allu2: it sounds like maybe you're getting disconnected/reconnected a lot, perhaps partly due to enormous increase in usage from ubuntu 11.10 just being released
[16:02] <Belboz99> hey all, is there a problem with the OpenID?
[16:02] <Belboz99> I get the following when logging in on the website one.ubuntu.com:
[16:02] <Belboz99> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[16:03] <Belboz99> opps, BTW, this channel isn't listed there ^^
[16:03] <Belboz99> OpenID discovery error: HTTP Response status from identity URL host is not 200. Got status 503
[16:04] <Belboz99> that's what I get when I select "login" at one.ubuntu.com, using Google Chrome on Windows 7 (64bit)
[16:05] <Belboz99> unless I'm forgetting my password (which is possible) I can't login using the Windows client either
[16:19] <dobey> Belboz99: looks like there might be a problem with the Ubuntu SSO server (not u1 itself)
[16:19] <MrGeneral> Hello dear friends.  The command "u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l" tells me there are 490 files waiting to be sync. However, ubuntu one is not syncing it, it took lots of time to sync a few mb (its not internet issue though). I believe something is broken even if I manually start the sync it wont sync.
[16:23] <dobey> MrGeneral: you are probably constantly getting disconnected. seems to be some issue with the auth server; probably some pieces of the whole are getting bombarded after the ubuntu 11.10 release. trying to poke ops to look at it. sorry for any inconvenience
[16:26] <MrGeneral> Yeah maybe dobey, it might be the issue. Is it happening with you as well?
[16:26] <MrGeneral> I don't know who are the ops though :P
[16:27] <MrGeneral> You might be right dobey. I see the message "syncronizing 490 files" several times
[16:27] <MrGeneral> it appears im getting connecting and then disconnected, gosh I really need this sorted out <.<
[16:27] <dobey> MrGeneral: i am bugging ops :)
[16:27] <MrGeneral> Thank you dobey, really :-)
[16:28] <dobey> MrGeneral: try u1sdtool -d, wait a few seconds, then try u1sdtool -c again, and let me know if it's working for you, please
[16:28] <dobey> Belboz99: you should be able to log in on one.ubuntu.com again now
[16:30] <MrGeneral> I'll try that, one second dobey.
[16:30] <MrGeneral> ok done that dobey
[16:30] <MrGeneral> nothing happened :-P
[16:31] <dobey> MrGeneral: it didn't connect?
[16:31] <dobey> what does u1sdtool -s say?
[16:32] <MrGeneral> one second dobey , I'll pastebin
[16:32] <MrGeneral> dobey, http://pastebin.com/v9DX1Q4q
[16:34] <MrGeneral> it keeps displaying m, 490 files are being sync
[16:34] <dobey> MrGeneral: hrmm, do you have a file named ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log ?
[16:34] <MrGeneral> a small ballon appears , like
[16:34] <dobey> right
[16:34] <MrGeneral> I'll check that one second
[16:34] <dobey> it's continually dropping connection :(
[16:34] <MrGeneral> nop, I dont have that fle
[16:34] <MrGeneral> *file
[16:34] <MrGeneral> yeah dobey , it seems like
[16:35] <MrGeneral> dobey, o.O just seen some interesting logs
[16:35] <MrGeneral> dobey, http://pastebin.com/pPm2frBN
[16:35] <dobey> MrGeneral: ok, there should be some info in syncdaemon.log detailing the problem
[16:35] <dobey> ah, bugger.
[16:35] <MrGeneral> something about ssl cert <.<
[16:36] <dobey> yeah, it's an erroneous error, but due to a problem on the server :(
[16:36] <MrGeneral> I'm seeing some logs atm
[16:37] <MrGeneral> ill delete the session id tho
[16:37] <dobey> delete the session id?
[16:37] <MrGeneral> http://pastebin.com/hB3xmcE5
[16:37] <MrGeneral> yeah, I deleted the session id from the pastebin
[16:37] <MrGeneral> of those logs
[16:38] <dobey> oh
[16:38] <dobey> that log looks like it connected ok
[16:38] <MrGeneral> yep, its showing 2 more line
[16:38] <MrGeneral> 2011-10-16 17:37:13,761 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - INFO - The request 'list_volumes' finished OK.
[16:38] <MrGeneral> 2011-10-16 17:38:04,364 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.InteractionInterfaces - WARNING - called waiting_content - this method is deprecated, use 'waiting' instead
[16:38] <MrGeneral> I highly doubt its gonna work tho :-P
[16:38] <MrGeneral> ok it started the queue, just like the other time
[16:38] <dobey> well, hopefully it will work for a while :)
[16:38] <MrGeneral> 2011-10-16 17:38:28,108 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Main - NOTE - ---- MARK (state: <State: 'QUEUE_MANAGER'  (queues WORKING  connection 'With User With Network')>; queue: 490; hash: 0) ----
[16:38] <MrGeneral> I doubt dobey
[16:39] <MrGeneral> I think that I'm just going to get the same ssl error :-P
[16:42] <MrGeneral> yep, got owned dobey , error appeared :-P
[16:43] <dobey> :(
[16:43] <dobey> ok, well i have poked ops about it, so hopefully will be working again soon
[16:44] <MrGeneral> Just sent you a notice containing a few more personal logs dobey
[16:44] <MrGeneral> Pass them those logs :-)
[16:44] <MrGeneral> I hope they'll be useful
[16:45] <MrGeneral> queue is smaller, it seems I downloaded one file at least hahaha
[16:47] <dobey> the logs aren't necessary
[16:49] <MrGeneral> alright dobey
[17:00] <dobey> MrGeneral: is it still failing with the SSL error?
[17:18] <MrGeneral> one sec dobey
[17:18] <MrGeneral> I turned my vpn on
[17:19] <dobey> ok
[17:21] <MrGeneral> It's just "Waiting" dobey
[17:21] <MrGeneral> 2011-10-16 18:19:30,210 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.DBus - INFO - connect: credential request was successful, pushing SYS_USER_CONNECT.
[17:21] <MrGeneral> 2011-10-16 18:19:59,550 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon - WARNING - Please don't run the syncdaemon as root.
[17:21] <MrGeneral> 2011-10-16 18:20:28,108 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Main - NOTE - ---- MARK (state: <State: 'WAITING'  (queues WORKING  connection 'With User With Network')>; queue: 479; hash: 0) ----
[17:21] <MrGeneral> im getting some more logs
[17:22] <dobey> MrGeneral: ok, sounds like it is working on stuff.
[17:22] <dobey> might be a little slow, but should hopefully be ok now :)
[17:23] <MrGeneral> dobey, http://pastebin.com/sCbtnynx
[17:23] <MrGeneral> yep
[17:23] <MrGeneral> I doubt tho
[17:23] <MrGeneral> did they tell you its fixed?
[17:29] <dobey> well it seems to work here, so want to verify it's still happening
[17:46] <MrGeneral> sure dobey , I'll be checking
[17:47] <MrGeneral> 011-10-16 18:47:00,505 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.StorageClient - INFO - Connection lost, reason: [Failure instance: Traceback (failure with no frames): <class 'OpenSSL.SSL.Error'>: [('SSL routines', 'SSL3_READ_BYTES', 'ssl handshake failure')]
[17:47] <MrGeneral> ].
[17:47] <MrGeneral> 2011-10-16 18:47:00,506 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - INFO - The request 'protocol_version' failed with the error: [('SSL routines', 'SSL3_READ_BYTES', 'ssl handshake failure')]
[17:51] <MrGeneral> I'm still getting connection failures dobey , it's not fixed
[18:04] <dobey> :(
[18:10] <MrGeneral> it seems they fixed it dobey
[18:10] <MrGeneral> finally downloaded all files :-P
[18:10] <dobey> ok
[18:11] <MrGeneral> thanks for your help dobey
[18:11] <dobey> sure. glad it's working for you again. sorry it went bad for a bit :)
[18:11] <dobey> and i have to go now anyway :)
[18:11] <MrGeneral> no problem at all, issues happen to everyone
[18:11] <MrGeneral> sure, take care
[18:56] <allu2> dobey: heh finally it got synced, just took 9 hours to sync 480mb i already had :P
[19:03] <allu2> Does ubuntu one have mecanism to see if the files its going to download already exist in the system?
[19:08] <dobey> allu2: yes, it rescans the local files before downloading. it compares the hashes of local files, against those on the server, and then resolves the differences (downloads or uploads files appropriately)
[20:34] <31NAAE8ZN> hola, am attempting to configure UbuntuOne posteri the upgrade to Ubuntu 11.10. Can anybody assist por favor?
[20:35] <RaHorachty> It pertains configuration, though there does not appear to be a configuration area


[15:01] <stgraber> highvoltage: those should be proper 12.04.4 candidates ^
[15:01] <highvoltage> ah thanks
[15:02]  * highvoltage syncs


[12:03] <thinkjson> mhall119: thanks!
[12:04] <mhall119> thinkjson: when do you start?
[12:04] <thinkjson> two weeks
[12:04] <thinkjson> they're flying me out on the 9th
[12:06] <thinkjson> mhall119: ^^^
[12:07] <mhall119> where?
[12:11] <thinkjson> Edmund, OK
[12:11] <thinkjson> mhall119: I've never been to Oklahoma in my life, and now I'm working for a company located there!
[12:12] <thinkjson> brb - I have to go set up some appointments for training.
[12:30] <thinkjson> hehe. they're so screwed.
[12:31] <mhall119> um...
[13:26] <zus> i cant seem to find a Debian Squeeze XFCE usb iso torrent.
[13:27] <DammitJim> zus, what are you doing, dude?
[13:27] <zus> looking for a 64bit Debian Squeeze iso.
[13:27] <zus> DammitJim,  hi :)
[13:28] <zus> tinkk im in the right place but i want  XFCE not Gnome
[13:29] <jck77> zus: install it without the wm and then select XFCE
[13:29] <DammitJim> xfce?
[13:29] <DammitJim> hold on
[13:30] <jck77> I think that's the best option
[13:30] <zus> jck77, command line way? im not good with that
[13:32] <jck77> zus: then why you dont use xubuntu?
[13:32] <DammitJim> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/<IP_ADDRESS>/amd64/iso-cd/
[13:32] <DammitJim> zus, will that do?
[13:32] <DammitJim> there is adebian-<IP_ADDRESS>-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso
[13:33] <jck77> DammitJim: that one should help him
[13:33] <zus> i've never tried "Debian" before, jck77
[13:33] <DammitJim> what's your deal, zus ?
[13:33] <zus> DammitJim,  lets see thanks
[13:33] <DammitJim> Debian is awesome
[13:33] <DammitJim> but there are a lot of details that Ubuntu takes care of for you
[13:33] <zus> i keep hearing that lol
[13:34] <DammitJim> I use both, but Ubuntu is what I'm getting my wife to use
[13:34] <jck77> if you are not good with command line I do recommend ubuntu
[13:34] <DammitJim> even though it looks the same to her (Debian and Ubuntu) since I run e17 on both, it's not as easy to cusomize as Ubuntu
[13:34] <DammitJim> +1 jck77,
[13:34] <jck77> zus: on debian you might need to use a lot of command line to set the system right
[13:35] <DammitJim> but hey, if you do jump into Debian, you'll learn a lot
[13:35] <DammitJim> (not that you can't learn it in Ubuntu), but you are kinda forced to
[13:36] <zus> im specifically waiting on the  new xubuntu on my main laptop, dual booted with bodhilinux. but on my desktop i wanted to check out debian
[13:36] <DammitJim> zus, stick to Debian stable... you don't want to have to deal with development issues in testing
[13:38] <zus> DammitJim, is that <IP_ADDRESS>? and the xfce+lxde both  on one iso?
[13:38] <DammitJim> yup
[13:40] <zus> cool. thanks DammitJim, and jck77
[14:53] <zus> that sucks, connected to  7 of 7 peers, but now 0 to 0 peers for seed...maybe tomorrow?
[15:10] <jck77> zus: did you tried the direct link?
[15:10] <jck77> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/<IP_ADDRESS>/amd64/iso-cd/debian-<IP_ADDRESS>-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso
[15:13] <zus> jck77,  sorry, i got the file from a torrent, and have it already but it wasnt seeding
[15:14] <zus> i try to seed when possible -
[17:11] <thinkjson> !xkcd seed
[17:11] <ubuntu-fl> thinkjson: http://xkcd.com/553/
[17:11] <thinkjson> nailed it
[20:35] <hubris> haha
[20:35] <hubris> the same people
[20:35] <hubris> how have you all been
[20:41] <hubris> you guys should check out hack miami some time


[05:02] <tomreyn> is this missing / not applied on the 18.04.3 (LTSE/HWE kernel)? https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9585671/
[05:08] <tomreyn> there's a user reporting running into a "tpm_crb MSFT0101:00 [Firmware Bug]: ACPI region does not cover the entire command/response buffer" message on the 18.04.3 installer running on an 'Alienware R4' gaming laptop.
[05:09] <tomreyn> (and how / where would i properly check this myself in the future, not wasting other peoples' time on silly bios bugs)
[11:56] <gpiccoli> tomreyn, I've checked Bionic tree and this (kinda old) commit is there, in 4.15, 5.0, 5.3 ...
[11:56] <gpiccoli> Is this user reporting the issue running a Canonical bionic kernel?
[11:57] <gpiccoli> Also, if you have a Launchpad with this report, let me know the link. If not, you may want to suggest this user to open a LP bug =)
[15:09] <tomreyn> gpiccoli: thanks for checking! yes, the user was on a freshly installed ubuntu 18.04.3 with 5.0: https://termbin.com/e3zb
[15:10] <tomreyn> i'm not in touch with them anymore, so can't ask for a bug report now, i'm afraid. this dell alienware 17 R4 gaming laptop has a very buggy bios, though.
[15:11] <gpiccoli> It seems to hhehe
[15:11] <gpiccoli> tomreyn, the fact the message is showing, means the workaround is available, but failed
[15:12] <tomreyn> gpiccoli: oh crap, right, the patch actually introduces this message. sorry...
[15:12] <gpiccoli> basically, the quirk adds a couple of checks, and if they fail, it prints the message and is conservative about theregion
[15:13] <gpiccoli> np tomreyn =)
[15:13] <gpiccoli> glad it's figured out
[15:13]  * tomreyn blushes
[15:13] <gpiccoli> likely this user has a bugged BIOS as you said
[15:14] <tomreyn> yes, and it's the latest they have available for this model
[15:14] <tomreyn> we already tried to work around the acpi issues with acpi_osi, but i'm not sure it actually helped
[15:15] <gpiccoli> ugh, BIOS issues are always lame to work, vendors are quite difficult to provide data or quickly fix. Dell should be good, perhaps worth to involve them
[15:16] <tomreyn> someone poste don their forums about this and other problems in october, no response.
[15:17] <tomreyn> https://www.dell.com/community/Alienware/AW17r5-BIOS-Issues/td-p/7391290
[15:17] <gpiccoli> forums are somewhat bad for this, it's my experience also. Perhaps worth to seek vendor official support channels or even a dell kernel devel that works with acpi
[15:18] <gpiccoli> git log --oneline --author=\@dell drivers/acpi/ will give you some emails heheh
[15:18] <tomreyn> well, i woudn't have such contacts, and the forum would be the standard go-to for customers. either they care or they dont
[15:19] <gpiccoli> you can work a goodreport and post to acpi mailing-list, looping the dell developers, likely you'll get some response!
[15:19] <tomreyn> i'm not affected by this, so i don't think i'm the right person to do so. also, well, it's a "gaming laptop", those shoould not exist to begin with.
[15:20] <tomreyn> thanks for your help, though, i do appreciate it.
[15:22] <gpiccoli> haha I agree about "gaming" laptop, I'd not buy such things
[15:22] <gpiccoli> you're welcome tomreyn =)
[15:22] <gpiccoli> Anytime!
[15:22] <tomreyn> :) saying this is dangerous!
[15:23] <gpiccoli> hahah
[15:23]  * gpiccoli leaving IRC in 3..2..
[15:23] <gpiccoli> lol
[15:23] <tomreyn> :)


[05:39] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:40]  * inetpro wonders what Kilos was looking for
[05:46] <Kilos> morning all
[05:54] <inetpro> ah wb Kilos
[05:54] <inetpro> and good morning
[05:55] <inetpro> oh and pong
[05:55] <Kilos> hi inetpro wb to you not me
[05:55] <Kilos> hehe
[05:55] <inetpro> haha
[05:55]  * inetpro been here earlier already
[05:55] <Kilos> you wanna give me the correct info to tweet inetpro ?
[05:56] <inetpro> hmm....
[05:56] <inetpro> like what?
[05:56] <Kilos> ja man but you pong a day late
[05:57] <Squirm> nice being able to wake up later than usual
[05:57] <Kilos> about tonights meet with agenda and minute links
[05:57] <Kilos> i see agenda up top
[05:58] <inetpro> Reminder: Monthly meeting this evening at 19:30 on IRC-freenode #ubuntu-za. Agenda: http://bit.ly/T0K4ry
[05:58] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean something like that ^^ ?
[05:59] <Kilos> yes ty. is that all?
[06:00] <inetpro> Kilos: what more do you want?
[06:01] <inetpro> you can tweet more later
[06:01] <Kilos> whew
[06:04] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[06:04] <Kilos> yw
[06:05] <Kilos> i thought you had gone away for the weekend
[06:07] <Kilos> hi SeeBorg
[06:08] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:09] <Kilos> i see you are still in Beta so things can just get better
[06:12] <theblazehen> hi kilos yeah just started him up last night
[06:12] <Kilos> ah hi theblazehen morning to you
[06:12] <theblazehen> you too
[06:12] <Kilos> thats good
[06:13] <theblazehen> did you talk to him?
[06:13] <Kilos> nope
[06:13] <theblazehen> ok. I set him to not say anything
[06:13] <Kilos> only saw him now for the first time
[06:14] <theblazehen> ah ok
[06:14] <Kilos> is he a bot?
[06:14] <theblazehen> yeah a learning chatbot
[06:15] <Kilos> do you do python programming?
[06:15] <theblazehen> not really.  I should clean it out sometime
[06:44] <Kilos> i just keep important ones and limit who i get mails from
[06:45] <theblazehen> good idea.
[06:45] <Kilos> and evolution only fetches new mails
[06:46] <theblazehen> nice
[06:47] <theblazehen> have you seen http://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn ? Some nice desktops there...
[06:47] <Kilos> i didnt enjoy thunderbird much, and evo can make its own backup of settings etc
[06:47] <theblazehen> I'll try it sometime then.
[06:52] <Kilos> hi timkeller
[06:52] <Kilos> this one i like
[06:52] <Kilos> http://ompldr.org/vZ3A5Mw/desk.png
[06:53] <theblazehen> It is pretty good
[06:56] <Kilos> only on unity if i changed mine it shows on all desktops where kde can have each desktop with a different one
[06:57] <theblazehen> I don't get what you mean ?
[06:57] <Kilos> workspaces
[06:57] <theblazehen> ah. nice
[06:57] <Kilos> as in unity comes out with for as default
[06:57] <Kilos> 4
[06:58] <theblazehen> yeah...
[06:58] <Squirm> Kilos: do you use Compiz?
[06:58] <Kilos> im too old to enjoy the minimizing thing
[06:58] <Kilos> i dunno Squirm
[06:59] <Squirm> open a terminal and type `ccsm`
[06:59] <Squirm> if you do it should open the settings manager
[06:59] <Squirm> Compiz allows you to set a different wallpaper for each workspace
[07:00] <Squirm> a quick google
[07:00] <Squirm> http://askubuntu.com/questions/135230/different-background-or-wallpaper-per-workspace-ubuntu-12-04
[07:00] <Kilos> not installed it says
[07:01] <Kilos> ah ty Squirm
[07:40] <Kilos> dont work Squirm
[07:40] <Kilos> never mind
[07:41] <Kilos> doesnt get to the show desktop thing
[07:41] <Kilos> ill play with desktops on kde
[07:42]  * Squirm shrugs
[07:44] <Kilos> lol np ill leave 12.04 default while its working
[07:44] <Kilos> tim having probs with connection again
[07:45] <magespawn> morning all
[07:49] <Squirm> hi magespawn
[07:49] <magespawn> hey Squirm
[07:49] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[07:50] <magespawn> Kilos you've been busy today already
[07:50] <Kilos> ya
[08:10] <magespawn> superfly i have had no luck w8th updating the new package manager for the n900. any ideas?
[08:11] <superfly> magespawn: not a clue, I'm afraid. Mine works fine
[08:11] <Kilos> morning superfly
[08:13] <magespawn> k will see what i can find
[08:13] <magespawn> reading time
[08:18] <superfly> hi Kilos
[08:45] <charl_> good morning
[09:03] <magespawn> hey charl_
[09:04] <magespawn> timkeller is a bit like a yo y9
[09:14] <nuvolari> o/
[09:15] <nuvolari> mornings everyone
[09:15] <nuvolari> time to prepare
[09:15]  * nuvolari cracks his knuckles
[09:15] <nuvolari> *nuckles
[09:15] <nuvolari> ?
[09:15] <nuvolari> *knuckles
[09:16] <nlsthzn> morning nuvolari
[09:17] <nlsthzn> your photo's are coming along nicely... pity the native sphere for android not that good yet
[09:19] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: thanks! :> I made 1 with the Android that came out pretty nice actually
[09:22] <nlsthzn> saw that one I think... but the last few are very good... like the way the trees stand out, looks shopped :)
[09:25] <nuvolari> I'm just struggling to find the best zoom
[09:26] <nuvolari> I messed up the focus on the last one
[09:26] <nuvolari> it was too close so the objects in the distance is out of focus, but the nice thing is that with the stereographic projection it looks like it should be like that
[09:30] <nlsthzn> :)
[09:39] <magespawn> hey nuvolari nlsthzn
[09:42] <nlsthzn> morning Maaz
[09:42] <nlsthzn> >.<
[09:42] <nlsthzn> morning magespawn
[09:43] <nuvolari> howdy magespawn
[09:44] <nuvolari> argh :-/
[09:44] <nuvolari> how can I insert bullet points in the loco wiki?
[10:02] <charl_> hi magespawn
[10:02] <charl_> wow timkeller is sitting on a bad network :(
[10:02] <magespawn> not sure nuvolari i think inetpro did mine
[10:03] <charl_> nuvolari: link?
[10:06] <nuvolari> charl_: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/506/detail/
[10:06] <nuvolari> I found it
[10:06] <nuvolari> just need an empty line between items
[10:07] <nuvolari> which is weird :-/
[10:07] <nuvolari> hmm, I wonder whether we need more photo's...
[10:07] <nuvolari> there's a lot of pics in the existing album
[10:08] <charl_> weird wiki, no obvious links to documentation on formatting
[10:08] <charl_> oh well, you got it right :)
[10:09] <nuvolari> does anyone know who has access to the mailing list stats?
[10:11] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: wouldn't the list admin perhaps have access to it|
[10:11] <nlsthzn> ?
[10:13] <theblazehen>  /join #alife
[10:18] <nuvolari> ooh, nice! We have a good number of reports for 2012 compared to 2011 and 2010
[10:19] <nuvolari> thanks for that nlsthzn :>
[10:20] <nlsthzn> just trying to help.. feels insignificant vs all others are doing however
[10:25] <nuvolari> well, everyone needs a thank you
[10:25] <nuvolari> there's no I in loco team :P
[10:42] <nuvolari> I've added the 2 Ubuntu Hour meetings we had in the last 2 years that I could recall
[10:47] <nuvolari> :> Just read the testimonials
[10:47] <nuvolari> friggin awesome
[10:47] <nuvolari> and sad that I can't be around more often to provide a helping hand
[11:21] <nlsthzn> +1
[11:26] <mazal> Afternoon all
[12:04] <magespawn> later all
[12:09] <Langjan> Hi Kilos, just checking in to make sure you're not always the oldest chatter around...
[12:30] <zeref> hi tumbleweed: i'm trying to build a package of mine on another computer but i get a running debsign failed: i moved my .gnupg folder from the other computer to the new one but still the same error.
[12:30] <zeref> should i create a new key and link it with my launchpad account
[12:30] <zeref> ?
[13:19] <nuvolari> oh come on!! :-(
[13:19] <nuvolari> why does flash always have to be the only app causing issues during upgrade?
[13:20] <Cantide> i have blue videos again .-.
[13:20] <Cantide> silly flash :/
[14:02] <tumbleweed> zeref: I recommend avoiding creating new keys where possible
[14:02] <tumbleweed> once published no keyservers, gpg keys are there forever
[14:15] <Kilos> afternoon all. been busy with visits from brother and old buddy that moved to aus in 96
[14:15] <Kilos> hi nuvolari , jy reg vir more?
[14:17] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[14:17] <Maaz> Sup Kilos
[14:17] <Kilos> just checking
[14:43] <nlsthzn> guys, the family and I have been invited out for dinner so I doubt I will make the meeting tonight...  Not likely to be too talkative though
[17:01] <SmilyBorg> I'm surviving hey. I've had a bad few weeks
[17:01] <Kilos> ty for being here at least
[17:01] <Kilos> aw
[17:02] <Kilos> i go eat quick
[17:03] <SmilyBorg> had 3 car accidents, 2 were in the same day, my grandmother passed away on friday after beening ill for quite a while and my girlfriend is away at a spa for a week
[17:03] <SmilyBorg> I sould grab some food too
[17:09] <magespawn> hectic SmilyBorg if we can do something say
[17:10] <SmilyBorg> thanks magespawn. nothing at the moment. thanks
[17:12] <nuvolari> meh! :( I am failing to set up a Billion router as a wireless AP
[17:12] <nuvolari> I have my wireless AP set up nicely back home, and I can kick myself for not bringing it with :-/
[17:15] <magespawn> nuvolari: is the billion the router and adsl modem too?
[17:15] <nuvolari> magespawn: yeah
[17:16] <nuvolari> It doesn't seem like I can configure it like my wireless AP
[17:17] <magespawn> should be able to
[17:18] <magespawn> what is it not doing?
[17:20] <Kilos> aw smilesorry to hear that
[17:21] <Kilos> you onns fone thing magespawn ?
[17:21] <Kilos> onna
[17:22] <magespawn> no pc tonight
[17:22] <nuvolari> magespawn: well, I can see all the other devices on the network, but I want to share the internet connection that is provided via my USB modem on my laptop
[17:22] <Kilos> found another frightening tool
[17:22] <Kilos> hdparm
[17:22] <nuvolari> I can't seem to get the gateway set up correctly
[17:23] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[17:23] <Kilos> aw
[17:23] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[17:23] <nuvolari> gaan dit goed oom Kilos ?
[17:23] <Kilos> ja dankie en jy nuvolari ?
[17:23] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom
[17:23] <Kilos> mooi
[17:23] <magespawn> so the billion is not the gateway? but is the ip router?
[17:23] <theblazehen> hi everyone
[17:23] <nuvolari> magespawn: yeah
[17:24] <Kilos> hi magtie theblazehen
[17:24] <magespawn> hi theblazehen
[17:24] <nuvolari> hi magtie
[17:24] <nuvolari> welcome
[17:24] <magtie> hi evryone
[17:24] <nuvolari> eek, i need to open up the agenda quick
[17:25] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[17:25] <nuvolari> hallo bytjie
[17:25] <Kilos> wb
[17:25] <superfly> nuvolari: I'm busy working on a new track
[17:25] <maiatoday> Hi all
[17:26] <nuvolari> superfly: ooh... with FL Studio?
[17:26] <maiatoday> Wifi may be dodgy sorry if I appear and disappear
[17:26] <magespawn> nuvolari: not sure but i think you have to check the gateway settings on the other devices they might default to the router as it is the server
[17:26] <magespawn> hi maiatoday
[17:27] <superfly> nuvolari: ja, FL Studio 10 works nicely in WINE
[17:27] <nuvolari> magespawn: that's exactly what happens :-/
[17:27] <Kerbero> Hmm, vergadering tyd?
[17:27]  * Cantide still likes milkytracker
[17:27] <nuvolari> Kerbero: affirmative
[17:27] <Kilos> hi Kerbero
[17:27] <superfly> nuvolari: LMMS has potential, but too few good instruments
[17:27] <Kerbero> Queery is te dronk om by te woon
[17:27] <Kerbero> Drubin ook
[17:27] <maiatoday> We have a meeting, no?
[17:27] <Kerbero> Ek oom
[17:27] <superfly> and I couldn't figure out how to get the VST plugins to work
[17:27] <Kerbero> *ook
[17:27] <Kilos> sies
[17:27] <nuvolari> meh, I don't want to fork out a lot of money :-/ How much is fLStudio these days?
[17:28] <Kilos> yes maiatoday
[17:28] <nuvolari> I played around with seq24 and some of the synthysizers this past week
[17:28] <superfly> nuvolari: I dunno... when I bought it back in 2003 or so, I got the Producer Edition for around R2000
[17:28] <superfly> quite cheap compared to Reason, Cubase and the others out there
[17:28] <mazal> Evening everyone
[17:28] <Kerbero> Maiatoday: Brazens, queery is visiting
[17:28] <Kilos> hi mazal
[17:29] <mazal> Gaanit oom Kilos ?
[17:29] <Kilos> goed dankie en self
[17:29] <mazal> Goed dankie , raasie baie nie
[17:29] <magespawn> hey mazal
[17:29] <nuvolari> hey mazal
[17:30] <magespawn> nuvolari: i think there might be a setting in the billion to control the gateway
[17:30] <maiatoday> Say hi to Queery I was going to be there but family decided to visit
[17:30] <magespawn> Kerbero
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting
[17:30]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:31] <Maaz> nuvolari: Okay
[17:31] <magespawn> log them in anyway
[17:31] <theblazehen> I am Jeandre Henderson
[17:31] <magespawn> Maaz: I am Greg Eames
[17:31] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[17:31] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[17:31] <mazal> Maaz I am Wikus van Dyk
[17:31] <Maaz> mazal: Sure
[17:31] <theblazehen> Maaz: I am Jeandre Henderson
[17:31] <Maaz> theblazehen: Yessir
[17:31] <nuvolari> magespawn: the billion doesn't seem to take the settings when I apply them :-/ it's a mission
[17:31] <Kilos> hehe
[17:31] <nuvolari> I'll try later
[17:31] <nuvolari> Welcome everyone
[17:32] <Kerbero> Maaz: I am jp Meijers
[17:32] <Maaz> Kerbero: Alrighty
[17:32] <magtie> Maaz: I am Magda Smith
[17:32] <Maaz> magtie: Okay
[17:32] <Kilos> Maaz, welcome
[17:32] <Maaz> Welcome to tonights meeting everyone
[17:32] <magespawn> Telkom Billion nuvolari?
[17:32] <nuvolari> thank you maiatoday for being around tonight :>
[17:32] <SmilyBorg> maaz: I am Una Karlsen
[17:32] <Maaz> SmilyBorg: Done
[17:32] <nuvolari> magespawn: MWeb
[17:32] <nuvolari> but I guess they are the same
[17:33] <magespawn> lets chat later
[17:33] <Cantide> Maaz: I am Karl Wortmann
[17:33] <Maaz> Cantide: Righto
[17:33] <nuvolari> cool
[17:33] <maiatoday> Kilos who is chair
[17:33] <nuvolari> Ok, who still needs an introduction?
[17:33] <nuvolari> o/
[17:33] <Kilos> nuvolari, maiatoday
[17:33] <Kilos> tumbleweed, you here?
[17:34]  * nuvolari het skaafwerk nodig, die stoel het splinters :P
[17:34] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[17:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[17:34] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[17:34] <nuvolari> which is actually done...
[17:34] <nuvolari> sorry, I was asleep :P
[17:34] <Kilos> hehe
[17:34] <maiatoday> Maaz I am Maia Grotepass
[17:34] <Maaz> maiatoday: Sure
[17:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Review Previous Minutes
[17:35] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review Previous Minutes
[17:35] <nuvolari> Ok, link for the previous minutes: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-11-19-17-32-43.txt
[17:36] <nuvolari> I'm quickly going to scan through it. Please feel welcome to bring up points of interest from the past meeting if you have the urge to do so
[17:37] <tumbleweed> Kilos: hi, I'm here
[17:37] <Kilos> ah good ty tumbleweed
[17:37] <Kilos> tell the bot who you are
[17:37] <Kilos> hehe
[17:38] <nuvolari> We have a good attendance tonight, even though it's a quiet time (people spending time with loved ones etc.)
[17:38] <tumbleweed> Maaz: I am Stefano Rivera
[17:38] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Righto
[17:38] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:38] <Maaz> superfly: Sure
[17:39] <nuvolari> hmm, think I forgot to say hi SmilyBorg :) Hello
[17:39] <superfly> nuvolari: I'm not spending time with my loved ones, I just have the family around today
[17:39] <SmilyBorg> hi nuvolari
[17:40] <maiatoday> I have no comments on the minutes,.
[17:40] <nuvolari> in the meantime, was there any new IRC-faces around this month?
[17:40] <Kilos> ya
[17:41] <Kilos> but none here now
[17:42] <nuvolari> ok, done scanning, I don't have any comments either
[17:42] <nuvolari> I think we are doing good generally speaking
[17:43] <nuvolari> I'll give it a minute or 2 more
[17:45] <Cantide> i missed the last meeting :'(
[17:45] <nuvolari> aw :-/ Well, you can always make up tonight Cantide :)
[17:45] <Cantide> but after scanning it, there is nothing from it that i wish to discuss :p
[17:45] <Cantide> nuvolari, I hope i can :)
[17:45] <nuvolari> moving on...
[17:46] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Administrativia and Announcements
[17:46] <Maaz> Current Topic: Administrativia and Announcements
[17:46] <nuvolari> I think the most important announcement is tomorrows LoCo Re-Approval meeting
[17:47] <nuvolari> but I added it as an item under events
[17:47] <magespawn> Where and when is the meeting taking place?
[17:47] <nuvolari> so we might keep it off until then
[17:47] <magespawn> okay
[17:48] <nuvolari> trying to find the exact channel quick
[17:49] <Kilos> we meet here around 19.30 and join there before 20.00
[17:50] <Cantide> when, tomorrow?
[17:50] <Kilos> ya
[17:50] <Cantide> cool, i should be around
[17:50] <Kilos> maiatoday, channel for reapp?
[17:50] <Kilos> ubuntu-meeting?
[17:50] <superfly> No, it is 20:00 UTC, which makes it 22:00 for us
[17:50] <superfly> IIRC
[17:50] <maiatoday> #ubuntu-meeting I think
[17:50] <Kilos> oh my
[17:50] <Cantide> ouch, that's after my bedtime :p
[17:50]  * inetpro stepping into the room
[17:50] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[17:50] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[17:50] <nuvolari> "Tuesday 18th December 2012, 20:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net. I have put us on the agenda."
[17:50] <maiatoday> Yes 22:00
[17:50] <inetpro> sorry for being late
[17:50] <nuvolari> welcome inetpro
[17:51] <inetpro> again
[17:51] <nuvolari> quoted maiatoday there
[17:51] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[17:51] <maiatoday> My cut and paste us slow I am on the tablet
[17:51] <Kilos> ty superfly
[17:51] <nuvolari> who's running the mailing list?
[17:51] <nuvolari> or has access to the info
[17:51] <Kilos> peeps can take an early nap and come back for the meeting
[17:52] <nuvolari> that I don't know, and we need some of that numbers for the stats
[17:52] <maiatoday> I will work on the wiki page tomorrow morning some more
[17:52] <maiatoday> I will add the photos I collected
[17:53] <nuvolari> maiatoday: I took a look at the wiki page and I think it looks good, thanks!
[17:53] <nuvolari> The only section bugging me is the stats section, it's kind of repeating the online activities section, not?
[17:53] <maiatoday> It needs a few touch ups and then I think it should be ok
[17:53] <inetpro> nuvolari: as far as I am aware drubin_ still has access to the mailing list details
[17:54] <maiatoday> We had a stats section last time but we are missing something stats
[17:54] <nuvolari> inetpro: thanks, I'll mail him to find out about that
[17:54] <maiatoday> Last time we had graphs of irc activity
[17:55] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed nuvolari to find out about mailing list stats from drubin_
[17:55] <Maaz> Agreed: nuvolari to find out about mailing list stats from drubin_
[17:55] <maiatoday> If we don't have useful stats by tomorrow we could take that section out
[17:55] <inetpro> maiatoday: we tried getting some irc stats
[17:55] <maiatoday> Ok
[17:56] <inetpro> sadly the page which gave stats last time around stopped doing it some time I think in 2010 or 2011
[17:56] <nuvolari> meh :-/
[17:56] <maiatoday> I don't think it's that serious if we don't have stats
[17:56] <Cantide> should someone be tasked with running a bot that collects stats?
[17:56] <nuvolari> yeah, they can take our word for it :P we were quite active this year
[17:57] <inetpro> superfly and myself tried something but it ended up not being so simple as expected
[17:57] <mazal> I think the most important one is the number of active members in the community
[17:57] <inetpro> problem is to find the time
[17:57] <maiatoday> If the wiki page is pretty decent and a fair amount of us go to the  meeting we should be ok
[17:57] <superfly> I have something that is workable (And I'm working on at the moment)
[17:57] <maiatoday> Also once I add the slide show it will help too
[17:57] <nuvolari> ooh :> slides
[17:57] <superfly> it is not 100% accurate, but it should be good enough to give people a feel for how active the channel is on average
[17:58] <maiatoday> That's fine
[17:58] <inetpro> superfly: good news!
[17:58] <magespawn> okay ?
[17:58] <nuvolari> thank you superfly, greatly appreciated!
[17:58] <inetpro> thanks for your efforts
[17:58] <maiatoday> Just a
[17:58] <nuvolari> a
[17:58] <inetpro> a?
[17:58] <nuvolari> a!
[17:58] <Kilos> hehe
[17:58] <nuvolari> :P
[17:58] <maiatoday> Picasa album I'll see if I can make it work on the wiki
[17:59] <Kilos> ty maiatoday
[17:59] <magespawn> that will be cool to see
[17:59] <Kilos> ty superfly
[17:59] <maiatoday> Bleargh tablet auto correct
[17:59] <maiatoday> It's the same one that is on my last Blogger post
[17:59] <magespawn> link?
[18:00] <nuvolari> ok, I'm moving the reapproval items to administrativia
[18:00] <nuvolari> https://picasaweb.google.com/109121642496019706308/UbuntuZa2010To2012?authuser=0&feat=directlink
[18:00] <nuvolari> think it's that one
[18:00] <nuvolari> went straight to google+ for me
[18:00] <nuvolari> *redirected
[18:01] <SmilyBorg> picasa has basicly been rolled into g+now
[18:01] <nuvolari> maiatoday: can I add al link to the google+ event for the meeting we had in durbs?
[18:02] <maiatoday> Sure
[18:02]  * Cantide missed the meeting in Durban, too :'(
[18:02] <nuvolari> https://plus.google.com/events/c142k82osntadrdi5nf5bi7mj4g?banner=pwa
[18:03] <Kilos> hi smile welcome to our meeting
[18:03] <nuvolari> welcome smile :)
[18:03] <SmilyBorg> :-) that was a fun event
[18:04] <smile> hi :)
[18:04] <maiatoday> Pu
[18:04] <inetpro> nuvolari: what else is there to discuss about tomorrow?
[18:04] <smile> :p
[18:04] <maiatoday> Add links to the wiki
[18:04] <nuvolari> ditto! It's been nice to get out to mingle with geeks in the area
[18:04] <nuvolari> inetpro: I don't think there is much more for tomorroww
[18:04] <nuvolari> I'm pretty excited for tomorrow's reapproval meeting
[18:04] <maiatoday> Or in here then I'll pick them up from the minutes and add tgem
[18:05] <smile> thanks nuvolari
[18:05] <smile> :D
[18:05] <smile> french did to well :)
[18:05] <smile> * go
[18:05] <inetpro> nuvolari: in that case I just want us to focus for a minute on our website, that is if superfly is ready to discuss it
[18:05] <superfly> I guess
[18:05] <inetpro> perhaps we can move the item to our next meeting
[18:05] <superfly> what's up?
[18:05] <nuvolari> ok right, we can do that
[18:06] <inetpro> superfly: we where discussing having just a plain static site
[18:06] <nuvolari> inetpro: your decision
[18:06] <inetpro> were*
[18:06] <inetpro> so the meeting has to decide whether we keep things as is or whether we simplify it
[18:07] <smile> Kilos: thanks I'll not disturb your meeting
[18:07] <inetpro> not a lot of things that are changing on the website at the moment
[18:07] <Kilos> you may join in smile just give your name to maaz
[18:08] <smile> Maaz: I am smile
[18:08] <Maaz> smile: Righto
[18:08] <smile> Maaz: smile
[18:08] <Maaz> smile: smile is showing you some love
[18:08] <inetpro> anyone is welcome to share their point of view
[18:08] <Kilos> no man true name
[18:08] <smile> Maaz: geoffrey
[18:08] <Maaz> smile: Huh?
[18:08] <smile> :o
[18:08] <smile> I don't get it :|
[18:08] <nuvolari> lol
[18:09] <Kilos> I am Name
[18:09] <smile> Maaz: I am Geoffrey
[18:09] <Maaz> smile: Okay
[18:09] <smile> jaay :)
[18:09] <Cantide> whew '<
[18:09] <smile> sorry for the "flood"
[18:09] <nuvolari> I don't have any comments on the website
[18:09] <smile> I do have some :)
[18:09] <Cantide> what website are we discussing? link?
[18:09] <nuvolari> anyone want to add something?
[18:09] <smile> static is always faster :)
[18:09] <nuvolari> I think to simplify it would help ya
[18:09] <inetpro> http://ubuntu-za.org/
[18:09] <smile> but more difficult to edit :|
[18:09] <magespawn> what is the benefit of static inetpro?
[18:09] <Cantide> aah, of course
[18:09] <nuvolari> but it's good as is, not?
[18:10] <inetpro> superfly: you are hosting?
[18:10] <smile> yeah, some design tweaks maybe :)
[18:10] <mazal> I had an idea for the website
[18:11] <inetpro> mazal: an idea?
[18:11] <mazal> How about a little "bio" area where members can just give their short history of how they started with ubuntu and their experiences etc
[18:11] <inetpro> mazal: we can have that on the ubuntu wiki
[18:12] <superfly> mazal: the problem with the web site is that no one has the time to maintain it.
[18:12] <superfly> inetpro: no, CLUG hosts it
[18:12] <inetpro> ahh
[18:12]  * inetpro remembers now
[18:12] <magespawn> superfly maybe a team to do it?
[18:12] <magespawn> or group
[18:12] <superfly> magespawn: doesn't work, already did that
[18:12] <magespawn> i can do basic stuff
[18:12] <smile> superfly: what is CLUG? :)
[18:12] <smile> a hosting company?
[18:12] <magespawn> oh okay
[18:12] <superfly> Maaz: google for CLUG
[18:13] <Maaz> superfly: "Urban Dictionary: clug" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=clug :: "Clug" http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/Main_Page :: "CLUG | All Linux, All the Time" http://www.clug.org/ :: "Edward Clug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Clug :: "Welcome to Canberra Linux Users Group" http://clug.org.au/ :: "CLUG Home |
[18:13] <Maaz> Canberra LEGO® User Group - Adult LEGO Fans ..." http://www.clug.com.au/ :: "Clemson Linux…
[18:13] <nuvolari> lol
[18:13] <magespawn> the second one smile
[18:13]  * inetpro love Lego
[18:13] <inetpro> loves*
[18:13] <smile> okay, cool! :)
[18:14] <SmilyBorg> I would start a lego user group but got too many things on my plate as it is
[18:14] <magespawn> superfly as long as the changes are not too hectic i should be able to manage it
[18:14] <nuvolari> Can we agree that this will be discussed in more detail?
[18:14] <magespawn> superfly in drupal?
[18:14] <superfly> magespawn: yes
[18:14] <magespawn> would be a good learning curve
[18:15] <superfly> *IF* we continue with Drupal, we will also need to upgrade to D7
[18:16] <inetpro> but we need more than just one person
[18:16] <magespawn> ahh well i am fairly easy
[18:16] <nuvolari> ok, we might need to move on if we wish to cover everything in time. We can add this to the following meeting's agenda too?
[18:16] <Cantide> I have some experience with PHP
[18:16] <Cantide> I may lend a hand when i have time
[18:17] <inetpro> ok superfly, do we agree to keep as is and try get more people involved?
[18:17] <magespawn> +1
[18:17] <inetpro> then we discuss again at next meeting?
[18:17] <nuvolari> +1
[18:17] <superfly> we can do that
[18:18] <superfly> I'd like us to look at the purpose of the web site
[18:18] <inetpro> +1
[18:18] <superfly> Cantide: learn some Python
[18:18]  * Cantide dies
[18:18] <superfly> Cantide: leave PHP for the script kiddies and the wannabes
[18:18] <Kilos> hehe
[18:18] <inetpro> nuvolari: next topic?
[18:18] <Cantide> Pythons are dangerous >_>
[18:18] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed Discuss future of the website by involving more help and re-thinking the purpose of the website.
[18:18] <Maaz> Agreed: Discuss future of the website by involving more help and re-thinking the purpose of the website
[18:19] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Ubuntu+1 status and feedback
[18:19] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu+1 status and feedback
[18:19] <superfly> inetpro or magespawn: are you going to run with that?
[18:20] <inetpro> superfly: I will follow up again in the evenings, and will try help where I can
[18:20]  * superfly has family to deal with now
[18:20] <smile> superfly: :(
[18:20] <magespawn> with the website superfly?
[18:20] <superfly> magespawn: yes
[18:20] <nuvolari> i've seen some more complains this last couple of weeks on the mailing list on the latest ubuntu release
[18:21]  * inetpro will discuss with magespawn and others and when superfly has time he will chime in
[18:21] <magespawn> sure i can commit sometime to it
[18:21] <nuvolari> I don't know how much of that is caused by user error though :P
[18:21] <superfly> nuvolari: in most cases, user error I think
[18:21] <superfly> also, people thinking that a reinstall will fix stuff when 99% of cases it won't
[18:21] <nuvolari> As for 12.10, I'm still running 12.04 so I can't comment. However, I did upgrade my brother's netbook to have an ubuntu  dualboot with 12.10
[18:22] <Cantide> nuvolari, I had trouble and went back to 12.04; but then again, i did an upgrade and not a clean install, and on top of that i had some hardware trouble at the same time, so I can't make a fair judgement
[18:22] <mazal> I did use 12.10 and it was very buggy and very slow
[18:22] <smile> mazal: I have the same experience.
[18:23] <nuvolari> In general it seems that we have mixed experiences, both great and less great
[18:23] <Cantide> all in all, i felt that webapps were not as useful as i thought they'd be, and there wasn't much else new there that would bring me back to 12.10 instead of just waiting for the next version
[18:23]  * nlsthzn pops in and says, "alo"
[18:23] <smile> yeah.. I expected the alpha releases/beta releases to be buggy (they were)
[18:23] <nuvolari> hi nlsthzn
[18:23] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[18:23] <smile> but the stable releases were still buggy
[18:23] <smile> which is a shame
[18:23] <Cantide> hey nlsthzn :)
[18:23] <maiatoday> My web apps crash alot
[18:23] <Kilos> tell maaz who you are nlsthzn
[18:23] <nlsthzn> ah meeting still ongoing
[18:24] <Kilos> yip
[18:24] <nlsthzn> Maaz: my name is Neil Oosthuizen
[18:24] <Maaz> nlsthzn: One learns a new thing every day
[18:24] <Kilos> lol i am
[18:24] <nuvolari> well, I guess you can't blame them that much, as the LTS versions will be around much longer now
[18:24] <Cantide> my web apps used a lot of memory and weren't really helpful because i had to have the web pages open anyway -.-v
[18:24] <inetpro> nlsthzn: please sign the register
[18:24] <inetpro> ai
[18:24] <nlsthzn> did I do it wrong again
[18:24] <SmilyBorg> the llvmpipe thing has made a world of difference to me, but had a nasty issue in lightdm the other day that wouldnt let me change between windoww managers/desktop environments
[18:24] <nuvolari> I suspect they will not focus on it to have the releaces in between spotless
[18:24] <Kilos> nlsthzn, maaz i am
[18:24]  * inetpro 's connection is lagging
[18:24] <nlsthzn> Maaz: I am Neil Oosthuizen
[18:24] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Sure
[18:24] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos
[18:24] <Kilos> yw
[18:25]  * nuvolari googles llvmpipe
[18:25] <Cantide> nuvolari, all releases should be spotless - what if it's a new users first experience with Ubuntu
[18:26] <mazal> I agree with Cantide
[18:26] <SmilyBorg> true
[18:26] <mazal> What's the point of having a release every 6 months , but it feels like a beta
[18:26] <nuvolari> I guess you're right :-/
[18:26] <tumbleweed> we aim to have all releases be high quality
[18:26] <mazal> Then rather release once a year a proper stable one
[18:26] <tumbleweed> LTS releases get special polish because they have to be supported for longer
[18:27] <tumbleweed> but all releases should be fit for use
[18:27] <magespawn> i usually stay on the lts
[18:27] <mazal> I feel they don't give themselves enough time on each release
[18:27] <magespawn> LTS
[18:27] <nuvolari> I'm one of the lucky ones, I did not have many issues lately
[18:27] <Cantide> i usually skip a release
[18:28] <nuvolari> ok, time is chasing us :-/
[18:28] <Cantide> i had a lot of freezing on 12.10, but i'm not sure if that was caused by faulty hardware or not
[18:28] <tumbleweed> I don't think more time would help. More time spent on polish rather than features, wouldl, though
[18:28] <Cantide> tumbleweed, agreed
[18:28] <Cantide> nuvolari, yes :/
[18:28]  * nlsthzn wonders what the topic is?
[18:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: current topic
[18:29] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[18:29] <nuvolari> argh :-/
[18:29] <magespawn> lol
[18:29] <mazal> lol
[18:29] <nlsthzn> ah blink...
[18:29] <Kilos> hehe
[18:29] <Cantide> it seems we went a bit off topic :D oops!
[18:29] <nuvolari> Ubuntu+1 status and feedback <-- nlsthzn
[18:29] <mazal> It is Ubuntu +1
[18:29] <mazal> snap
[18:29] <nuvolari> moving on...
[18:29] <mazal> What is Ubuntu +1 btw ?
[18:29] <nlsthzn> RR
[18:29] <Cantide> i wanted to ask the same thing
[18:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Events
[18:29] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:30] <nlsthzn> 13.04
[18:30] <Cantide> aha
[18:30] <nlsthzn> 12.10 + 1 = 13.04
[18:30] <maiatoday> I need to go now thanks all,  I sort the wiki page for the re-approval and see you at the meeting tomorrow
[18:30] <Kilos> ty maiatoday
[18:30] <nlsthzn> maiatoday: good night
[18:30] <Cantide> thanks maiatoday
[18:30] <Cantide> see ya
[18:30] <Kilos> for everything
[18:30] <maiatoday> :)
[18:30] <nuvolari> ok maiatoday, thanks for popping in
[18:30] <mazal> Ok so just for info's sake , it's 10pm tomorrow ?
[18:31] <Kilos> see you morrow night
[18:31] <maiatoday> Yes
[18:31] <nuvolari> mazal: affirmative
[18:31] <mazal> sjoe
[18:31] <nuvolari> in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:31]  * nlsthzn does the math... midnight in the UAE :'(
[18:31] <Kilos> eek nlsthzn
[18:31] <nuvolari> aw :-/
[18:31] <nlsthzn> no worries, will be there
[18:31] <Kilos> ty
[18:32] <nlsthzn> back on topic... tomorrow is an important event :p
[18:32]  * Kilos agrees
[18:32] <nuvolari> yeah, but we covered most of tomorrow earlier
[18:32] <nuvolari> I'm confident that it will go well
[18:32] <mazal> How many you need ?
[18:32] <nuvolari> community participation was good the past year
[18:33] <nuvolari> mazal: how many of what?
[18:33] <mazal> Members to join the meeting tomorrow
[18:33]  * SmilyBorg adds tomorrow's meeting to her calendar
[18:33] <nuvolari> well, as many as we can get
[18:33] <SmilyBorg> can't promise anything, but will attend if I can
[18:33] <nuvolari> we need pom-poms to cheer us on too
[18:33] <Cantide> me, too
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <mazal> nuvolari, I'll try to be here too
[18:34] <nuvolari> ok great
[18:34] <mazal> Weather permitting
[18:34] <nuvolari> is there any other events this holidays?
[18:34] <nuvolari> *are
[18:35] <nuvolari> we discussed some things for next year in the Durban area
[18:35] <nuvolari> LPI get-togethers
[18:35]  * SmilyBorg nods
[18:35] <nuvolari> and a DLUG meeting in January/February
[18:35] <Cantide> I missed those discussions 'o'
[18:36] <Cantide> where could i get the log?
[18:36] <nuvolari> Cantide: did you attend the last get-together?
[18:36] <Cantide> no :/
[18:36] <nuvolari> Cantide: we discussed it at the DLUG year-end
[18:36] <Cantide> I was working
[18:36] <nuvolari> meh :-/
[18:36] <Cantide> okay, no worry, i will keep an eye out here for info as things happen
[18:36] <SmilyBorg> the DBN-LUG is kinda quite most of the time but things are warming up. we've managed to have events about every 6 weeks lately
[18:37] <nuvolari> I had a look through my mail today, the first Ubuntu Hour we had in durbs was Dec 2010 I think
[18:37] <Vince-0> SUUP!
[18:37] <nuvolari> and not that frequent after that
[18:37] <nuvolari> yo Vince-0!
[18:38] <Vince-0> haai
[18:38] <Vince-0> *jamming games
[18:38] <SmilyBorg> the meetings might not be the conventional sort with a dedicated speaker or anything, more social geek out and show and tell sessions
[18:38] <nuvolari> you have a last-minute opportunity to id to maaz for the meeting
[18:38] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 youre late
[18:38] <Vince-0> ow soz
[18:38] <Kilos> Vince-0, type maaz I am Nmae
[18:38] <nuvolari> Vince-0: I was talking to you :P
[18:38] <Kilos> Name
[18:39] <nuvolari> moving on
[18:39] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:39] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:39]  * Kilos says nuvolari
[18:39]  * Cantide agrees
[18:39] <Vince-0> maaz I am Vince-0
[18:39] <Maaz> Vince-0: Sure
[18:39] <magespawn> nuvolari: +1
[18:39] <nuvolari> I'm available for the next meeting if you're okay with that
[18:39] <inetpro> sorry
[18:39]  * inetpro got distracted by a phone call
[18:40] <nuvolari> ook... amazon geek dinner in January :>
[18:40] <Kilos> np inetpro life happens
[18:40] <nuvolari> ok cool
[18:41] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed chairperson for next meeting: nuvolari
[18:41] <Maaz> Agreed: chairperson for next meeting: nuvolari
[18:41] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Closing
[18:41] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing
[18:41] <nuvolari> Right, the next meeting will be on the 21st of January 2013
[18:41] <Kilos> thanks nuvolari and all attendees
[18:41] <nuvolari> Thank you everyone for attending.
[18:42] <nlsthzn> thanks all , and hope to see many tomorrow night again!!
[18:42] <Kilos> night nlsthzn sleep tight
[18:42] <nuvolari> This meeting was quite important IMO and we did a good job
[18:42] <Kilos> yqa
[18:42] <Kilos> ya as well
[18:42] <nuvolari> So see you guys and ladies tomorrow evening
[18:42] <nuvolari> (those that can make it)
[18:42] <nuvolari> night nlsthzn
[18:42] <Kilos> night nuvolari sleep tight
[18:43]  * nlsthzn will still be around a bit... thinking of trying out a spherical cow >.>
[18:43] <nuvolari> Thanks for a great year everyone, our LoCo made it a great year :)
[18:43] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[18:43] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:43] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-12-17-17-30-59.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-12-17-17-30-59.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-12-17-17-30-59.html
[18:44] <Kilos> thanks all night from me too
[18:45] <mazal> Nag oom
[18:45] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[18:45] <magespawn> night Kilos
[18:45] <Cantide> night Kilos :)
[18:45] <nuvolari> ok, I'm out, family waiting :P
[18:45] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well
[18:45] <nuvolari> night everyone, oom Kilos, magespawn, mazal, Cantide
[18:45] <magespawn> cheers nuvolari
[18:45]  * inetpro back again after a very flaky 8ta connection
[18:46] <Cantide> good night '-'//
[18:47] <inetpro> good night Cantide
[18:47] <SmilyBorg> night all. I had better get some sleep since I still have 3 more days of work left
[18:51] <magespawn> night all
[18:51] <magespawn> i am not going just to be clear
[18:52] <inetpro> nuvolari: just for the record, my thoughts on the Ubuntu+1 topic was to get feedback from others involved with Ubuntu development or testing
[18:52] <inetpro> magespawn: good night
[18:53] <magespawn> superfly do you have a deb for the Quassel2go? seems to have removed from most places on the net
[18:53] <superfly> magespawn: I'll look around
[18:53] <magespawn> cool ty
[18:53] <inetpro> as far as I understand Ubuntu+1 is the next release, which would be 13.04
[18:54] <superfly> might even still have it on my phone...
[18:54] <superfly> which is downstairs... *sigh*
[18:54] <magespawn> no worries
[18:55] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:55]  * inetpro thought magespawn is leaving
[18:57] <magespawn> not yet, bit like a bad cold
[18:58] <superfly> magespawn: http://www.jabawok.net/uploads/quassel2go_0.8-pre5_armel.deb
[18:59] <magespawn> cool
[18:59] <superfly> download, copy to device via USB, use file manager to find deb, open it to install it
[19:00] <magespawn> cool ty superfly
[19:02] <magespawn> got
[19:02] <magespawn> it
[19:03]  * inetpro crashing early tonight
[19:03] <inetpro> good night all
[19:03] <magespawn> night inetpro
[19:15] <smile> good night inetpro
[19:20] <magespawn> Hey superfly am on the phone, ty.
[19:20] <superfly> magespawn: w00t!
[19:22] <magespawn> Ooo lots of pretty colours
[19:24] <superfly> magespawn: yeah, pretty awesome to have a Quassel client on your phone, eh?
[19:25] <magespawn> Very cool.
[19:25] <magespawn> I still think this phone is the most awesome piece of engineering around even now
[19:28] <smile> good night! :p
[19:28] <magespawn> Night smile
[19:29] <smile> thanks :)
[19:30] <superfly> magespawn: I agree
[19:31] <superfly> I have decided to stick with it and give mrs_fly a new phone, and she'll probably get a droid
[19:31] <Squirm> evening
[19:32] <magespawn> Maybe go and buy a whole load of new ones keep them in the boxs till you need them
[19:32] <magespawn> Hey Squirm
[19:32] <magespawn> Boxes even
[19:35] <magespawn> brand new only R4000.00
[19:40] <nuvolari> wtf :-/
[19:40] <nuvolari> something is wrong with .tar.gz
[19:40] <nuvolari> it only transfers the first 2mb then freezes
[19:41] <Squirm> something is wrong with your gunzip :P
[19:41] <Squirm> gzip
[19:41] <nuvolari> er, it's before I have the complete file
[19:41] <nuvolari> wget/curl
[19:41] <nuvolari> when I bzip2 the file, it transfer without error
[19:49] <magespawn> superfly do you read snargawok?
[19:49] <superfly> magespawn: can't say I even know what that is
[19:50] <magespawn> the blog at www.jabawok,net
[19:50] <magespawn> the blog at www.jabawok.net
[19:55] <Squirm> so a client brought in a laptop today. It doesn't power off unless you hold down the off button. Ok, it turns off, but it turns itself back on. It's like the power option is set to 'always on', but it isn't. there is no such option in the BIOS and I've reset the BIOS to factory defaults. It stays off if you hold down the off button, or disconnect the battery and AC and connect them again. It's a Toshiba Satellite. I know this is a linux channel,
[19:55] <Squirm> but anyone had this problem before?
[19:55] <magespawn> no thats a good one Squirm
[19:56] <magespawn> we also chat about other things in ##kilos, just to help keep this channel on topic
[19:56] <Squirm> and for the life of me I can't find anything on google. everyone talks about them not turning off or not turning on. this turns off and on perfectly. but as it turns off it turns back on
[19:58] <magespawn> not a faulty switch?
[19:58] <nuvolari> oh come on :-/ I feel like throwing my laptop against a wall or something
[19:59] <Squirm> I thought it could be. but if I disconnect all power source and connect it back. it stays off. or if I hold down the power button it stays off
[19:59] <nuvolari> why can't flash be packaged like all the other apps?
[19:59] <superfly> nuvolari: what do you need flash for?
[19:59] <magespawn> process of elimination Squirm
[20:00] <Squirm> nuvolari: apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[20:00] <Squirm> ?
[20:01] <nuvolari> er... how many times did you install flash Squirm ? :P
[20:01] <nuvolari> it downloads a .tar.gz file
[20:01] <Squirm> I never
[20:01] <Squirm> came with mint
[20:01] <Squirm> magespawn: yep
[20:01] <nuvolari> superfly: well, the sites that still have flash plugins here and there
[20:02] <nuvolari> the nonsense is that every freaking time it downloads to a new tmpXYZ.gz file :-/
[20:02] <magespawn> depressing quite a few
[20:02] <nuvolari> I don't know how to intercept that download
[20:03] <superfly> nuvolari: download the official tar.gz from their site?
[20:17] <nuvolari> this is absurd
[20:17] <nuvolari> my install is now broken
[20:18] <nuvolari> nothing I do would fix this flash mess
[20:27] <nuvolari> success!!
[20:27] <magespawn> cool nuvolari
[20:27] <nuvolari> now, on to the router *sigh*
[20:28]  * nuvolari maintains radiosilence
[20:28] <magespawn> routers are simple compared to flash
[20:29] <magespawn> a lot of the billions that i have worked on have a problem when you try to apply any setting changes
[20:42] <magespawn> good night all
[20:53] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos You're a bigmouth. You contribute about 48% of the chatter in here.
[20:53] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode


[15:26] <cnf> ugh, debugging juju is a pain
[15:26] <rick_h> cnf: :( trouble is paradise?
[15:27] <cnf> not a lot of paradise, tbh
[15:28] <cnf> once again got a deploy that seems to be waiting for stuff
[15:28] <rick_h> bummer cnf
[15:28] <rick_h> cnf: waiting for the machine? or waiting for download of agents onto the machine? or the charm getting setup?
[15:28] <cnf> i don't know
[15:29] <cnf> it says "waiting for machine"
[15:29] <rick_h> cnf: k, and so if you run juju status there's a machine with a # there that's got some info?
[15:29] <rick_h> cnf: and if you juju show-machine X it should give you some hint on what's up with that machine coming up?
[15:29] <cnf> nope
[15:29] <cnf> juju show-machine  1/lxd/0
[15:29] <cnf> model: openstack
[15:29] <cnf> machines: {}
[15:30] <rick_h> try just "juju show-machine 1"
[15:31] <cnf> nothing that indicates what could be the problem
[15:34] <rick_h> cnf: hmm, guess the next thing would be the lxd logs on the machine 1 to see that it got the request and why it's not creating the container?
[15:34] <cnf> i'm looking at them
[15:34] <cnf> it has created the container
[15:34] <cnf> it is running
[15:35] <cnf> hmm, how do i attach to a running container again
[15:36] <cnf> right, it's lacking ip
[15:36] <cnf> wtf juju
[15:36] <cnf> >,<
[15:37] <cnf> it is downright ignoring the constraints
[15:38] <cnf> i'm seriously getting fed up with juju :(
[15:38] <cnf> constraints: "spaces=space-maas" should put that container in that space, right?
[15:39] <cnf> hmm, MaaS has an IP allocated for it
[15:40] <cnf> but juju didn't apply it to the container
[15:41] <cnf> any suggestions?
[15:46] <rick_h> cnf: you need a bind for the application
[15:46] <cnf> rick_h: sorry?
[15:46] <rick_h> cnf: https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.2/charms-deploying#deploying-to-spaces
[15:47] <cnf> i'm not sure what you are trying to tell me
[15:48] <rick_h> cnf: sorry, so you're deploying something into a container on machine 1 and want it to use the IP address for the space-maas?
[15:48] <cnf> well, "want", it NEEDS an IP in that space, or nothing will work
[15:49] <cnf> so i have a constraint to the service, which used to work in 2.1
[15:49] <cnf> but now it seems to get ignored
[15:51] <cnf> for _all_ my containers
[15:53] <cnf> jamespage: prod?
[15:55] <cnf> or jam ^^;
[15:59] <cnf> hmz
[17:26] <rick_h> Coming up in 30min, The Juju Show #16 where we talk about modeling relations across models. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_vMN_opVlA #jujucharms
[17:26] <rick_h> marcoceppi: bdx kwmonroe arosales aisrael and anyone else that might be interested in sitting in ^
[17:27] <arosales> modeling relations across models, is that a thing now ?
[17:29] <rick_h> arosales: :) come sit in and talk about it :P
[17:30] <arosales> rick_h: sounds interesting, will do
[17:51] <wolsen> what's the process to get a new version of charmhelpers uploaded to pypi?
[17:52] <tvansteenburgh1> wolsen: the process is to ping me
[17:53] <wolsen> tvansteenburgh: ping
[17:53] <wolsen> :-)
[17:53] <tvansteenburgh> yeah, i saw that coming :P
[17:54] <kwmonroe> rick_h: got a live link for the show?
[17:54] <rick_h> kwmonroe: yep, getting it now sec
[17:55] <rick_h> https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ej2jhdqknnfdzkpildnekcgw2ye for those joining in
[17:55] <rick_h> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_vMN_opVlA for those that want to watch
[17:55] <rick_h> lol wolsen
[17:55] <rick_h> "in that case...consider yourself pinged"
[17:55] <wolsen> tvansteenburgh: there's a bug fix in the contrib.openstack code which helps a bit with the ordering of dictionaries for rendering config files - its triggering undesirable restarts of services due to iterating over a dictionary
[17:56] <tvansteenburgh> wolsen: will release momentarily
[17:56] <wolsen> thanks tvansteenburgh !
[17:57] <wolsen> rick_h: to be fair, tvansteenburgh changed his nick just after telling me to ping him
[17:57] <tvansteenburgh> oh, you caught that
[17:57] <rick_h> lol
[17:57] <rick_h> even more awesome
[17:57] <wolsen> sly and clever
[17:58] <rick_h> "I'll trick tab complete /nick zrick_h"
[17:58] <rick_h> bwuhahahaha
[17:58] <tvansteenburgh> wolsen: new release uploaded
[17:58] <wolsen> tvansteenburgh: thank you very much sir
[17:59] <rick_h> aisrael: you up for joining and talking docs sprint?
[18:00] <tvansteenburgh> wolsen: np
[18:02] <aisrael> rick_h: head down on pre-travel backlog.  All make for a good time :)
[18:46] <Budgie^Smore> sounds like it, although living in CA we have to watch fireworks not fire them
[18:54] <rick_h> I prefer watching. You get better fireworks https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/albums/72157682727171142 :)
[18:55] <Budgie^Smore> yeah also gives you a chance to take photos too
[19:01] <rick_h> Heh no doubt
[22:43] <aisrael> I might be over-thinking this, but are spaces the only way to add/manage machines with multiple network interfaces? If so, is that still MAAS-only?


[16:51] <belkinsa> Reminder, your Checkin-in with the CC is in less than 10 minutes!
[16:51] <belkinsa> Reminder, your Checkin-in with the CC is in less than 10 minutes!
[16:54] <pmatulis> what?
[16:54] <pmatulis> where do i check in?
[16:56] <belkinsa> In #ubuntu-meeting
[16:56] <belkinsa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[16:57] <belkinsa> pmatulis, I sent an e-mail a few days ago about: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2016-March/019751.html
[16:58] <pmatulis> going there now
[16:59] <dsmythies> belkinsa: Thnaks very much for the two reminder e-mails you sent in the last few days.
[16:59] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[16:59] <pmatulis> belkinsa: fyi, when i go to that wiki page i get 'Internal Server Error'
[16:59] <pmatulis> hi dsmythies
[16:59] <belkinsa> I know.
[17:00] <dsmythies> I get a server error also, but tried again and it worked.
[17:51] <dsmythies> pmatulis: are you here?
[17:52] <pmatulis> dsmythies: yep
[17:54] <dsmythies> pmatulis: Continuing from the CC meeting. I don't have a problem installing sever edition. I have a problem getting it working. Samba was a few weeks saga, the problem was a change since earlier 16.04 ISO's. You might have seen server team e-mails.
[17:54] <dsmythies> this last weekend dhclient, dhcpd, named, all broke.
[17:55] <pmatulis> dsmythies: no, i didn't see the emails
[17:55] <dsmythies> some apparomor profiles have to be disabled, then things work.
[17:55] <pmatulis> dsmythies: interesting
[17:55] <knome> since a lot of people seem to be around now, and in a cooperative mood, do those people want to try to solve some of the issues/questions we have open?
[17:56] <pleia2> I need to get back to $day_job
[17:56] <knome> hurr durr.
[17:57] <dsmythies> pmatulis: My point is that it gets to be very late in the cycle before I even have a system stable enough to use to review the serverguide with. Then things continue to change anyhow. for exmaple the chnage to /var/www/html was extremely late in the 14.04 cycle, after we had reviewed that area of the serverguide.
[17:58] <dsmythies> pmatulis: A couple of those issues from thr weekend have now been fixed.
[17:59] <dsmythies> pmatulis: my point with the change to systemd, is that myself I am just dicovering the issues now, and I was only ever on 14.04 before. I'm hardly the person to write about it on the serverguide.
[18:00] <knome> dsmythies, would it be impossible to run a system in a virtual machine?
[18:01] <GunnarHj> knome: I'm all in for solving open issues. The problem is that I was aware of the existence of such open issues that would prevent people from doing things. In my simple world the problem is a lack of volunteers willing to do things. Can you *please* be a little more specific than you were over at #ubuntu-meeting?
[18:01] <dsmythies> knome: I do run some virtual machines also. I admot to have fallen behind with them, as I need this main server working.
[18:01] <dsmythies> admot => admit
[18:03] <knome> GunnarHj, one of the problematic issues is the community wiki
[18:03] <knome> there doesn't seem to be a consensus on how to proceed with that
[18:04] <GunnarHj> knome: Right, acknowledged.
[18:04] <GunnarHj> knome: But besides that?
[18:04] <knome> i don't remember the details of all similar discussions which have ended up in a stalled situation, since tbh, i try to forget...
[18:05] <dsmythies> pmatulis: I have a couple of server team threads: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2016-February/thread.html
[18:06] <GunnarHj> knome: Then how about a meeting to talk about the future of the wiki and *only* focus on that?
[18:07] <GunnarHj> knome: Suppose we are now talking about the community help wiki only.
[18:08] <knome> for now, yeah
[18:08] <knome> i've been open for that before, but now i'm really not sure
[18:09] <GunnarHj> knome: Aren't you sure you'd like a meeting to talk about the wiki? What do you propose instead to resolve the issues you mentioned above?
[18:10] <knome> i'm saying that i'm not sure if the meeting can solve any problems we haven't been able to solve before
[18:11] <knome> it is not like we're in a new situation, or something new has turned up
[18:11] <knome> well, except that that the situation is even more unbearable, but that clearly won't change the opinions people have on the future of the wiki
[18:11] <pmatulis> my honest opinion of the help wiki is to get rid of it and concentrate on actual documentation
[18:12] <pmatulis> but i guess that's too radical for most
[18:12] <GunnarHj> Isn't the real problem that we previously never took the time needed to finalize the discussions?
[18:12] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: +1
[18:13] <dsmythies> we tend to not drive things to conclusion.
[18:13] <knome> pmatulis, i'm open for that too (as most of the options), but that would then need to mean that the useful bits from the wiki were moved to the official documentation and that there was a promise they would be maintained in the official documentation
[18:14] <knome> pmatulis, the downside to that is that there would be no drive-by edits at that point, and that we wouldn't be gathering new bits in the same way (even if it might be slow now as well)
[18:14] <pmatulis> knome: i don't think we can promise anything but i understand what you mean. still, a wiki page is for the community, it should not be a personal item
[18:15] <pmatulis> knome: well, i'm not convinced of the value of drive-by edits
[18:15] <knome> pmatulis, yeah, that's another issue we seem to have with the wiki, but it's mostly not related to the docs team
[18:15] <pmatulis> in my mind, useful docs must be maintained consistently, in order for readers to have confidence
[18:17] <knome> true
[18:17] <knome> otoh, if there is no other information available except the two year old one... that's the starting point you can have
[18:18] <knome> and if you have that in the wiki, and user X needs to get it working, he will get it working, and can then do a drive-by edit to make sure the page is up-to-date
[18:18] <pmatulis> knome: i maintain the inverse position
[18:18] <pmatulis> out of date docs is worse than no docs
[18:19] <pmatulis> of course out-of-date is a spectrum
[18:19] <pmatulis> occasional inaccuracies are ok but not systematic ones
[18:20]  * dsmythies afk. will catch up in about 20 minutes.
[18:21] <knome> pmatulis, i'm fine with running the docs/wiki like that as well... but good luck getting a decision done on taking the wiki down.
[18:22] <pmatulis> knome: 'xactly
[18:22] <GunnarHj> pmatulis: That's true, and in an ideal world we would have enough volunteers to maintain an extensive documentation, which would make the wiki redundant. But in the real world I think the wiki is useful, despite of all its deficiencies. But one thing I'd like to see is that it's more clearly shown the nature of the community help wiki, as opposed to the official maintained docs.
[18:22] <knome> pmatulis, which is again my point; people X and Y have opinions, but since they disagree, nothing is done
[18:22] <pmatulis> knome: it looks like it's killing itself anyway. maybe we should just let it die
[18:22]  * knome shrugs
[18:22] <knome> i don't know
[18:22] <knome> got to go, bbiab
[18:24] <GunnarHj> I don't have time to participate in this discussion tonight. But I'd really like to attend to a well prepared meeting, where the various options could be discussed in a systematic manner.


[13:03] <facundobatista> Hola a todos
[13:07] <thisfred> morning facundobatista!
[13:07] <verterok> facundobatista: hola!
[13:07] <facundobatista> Hola thisfred, verterok
[13:13] <thisfred> http://vimeo.com/5313148
[13:13] <thisfred> very interesting (physical) buttons designs
[14:59] <CardinalFang> Hi all.  I have a desktopcouch branch that needs review.  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller/desktopcouch/kill-asyncore-use-twisted/+merge/8597
[15:00] <jblount> MEETING BEGINS
[15:00] <jblount> Hello, welcome to the Ubuntu One desktop(+) developers meeting. If you are here for the meeting please say, "me". The format for this meeting is TODO/DONE/BLCKED:
[15:00] <dobey> CardinalFang: me too, but i think aquarius is on holiday :)
[15:00] <urbanape> me
[15:00] <jblount> me
[15:00] <jan____> CardinalFang: twsted FTW :_
[15:00] <urbanape> CardinalFang, dobey: I'll take a look
[15:00] <dobey> me
[15:00] <CardinalFang> me
[15:00] <teknico> me
[15:01] <jan____> meh :D
[15:01] <dobey> meh pretty well describe smy enthusiasm toward twisted :)
[15:01] <jblount> rodrigo_ ? statik ? vds ?
[15:01] <rodrigo_> me
[15:01] <vds> me
[15:02] <urbanape> DONE: Not a whole lot, getting reacquainted with the new files UI javascript code. Tried to tame it into some structure.
[15:02] <urbanape> TODO: Keep at it, maybe start by writing up a design doc for just what the heck is going on.
[15:02] <urbanape> BLOCK: Nada
[15:02] <urbanape> jblount: your turn
[15:02] <jblount> DONE: javascript hacking with urbanape, code reviews
[15:02] <jblount> TODO: Get branches for upgrade process and fixing the purchase process
[15:02] <jblount> BLCKED: Kind of waiting for urbanape (who is refactoring the js stuff for /files/new/ but not blocked
[15:02] <jblount> dobey: tag!
[15:02] <statik> me
[15:02] <dobey> DONE: Tarmac mini-sprint, Made HACKING files for client and protocol, moved u1fsfsm build from setup.py to make, fixed one last lint issue in protocol
[15:02] <dobey> TODO: Get rid of setup.py usage in ubuntuone-client, Look at gnome^H^Hxdg-keyring spec and such
[15:02] <dobey> BLCK: None.
[15:02] <dobey> CardinalFang: rock n roll
[15:03] <CardinalFang> DONE: pushed twistedification of desktopcouch pairing
[15:03] <CardinalFang> TODO: stop trying to type "desktopcouth". Help with 'paste' replacement or fixin
[15:03] <CardinalFang> g.
[15:03] <CardinalFang> BLOCKING: nil
[15:03] <CardinalFang> teknico: tag
[15:03] <teknico> DONE: finished configuring the old notebook for developing (the new one broke down :-/), landed the two web views testing branches
[15:03] <teknico> TODO: refactor the createCouchContacts.py script, add more contacts web tests
[15:03] <teknico> BLOCKED: nothing
[15:03] <teknico> NEXT: rodrigo_
[15:03] <rodrigo_> DONE: attended GCDS, lots of discussions about couchdb integration into the desktop
[15:04] <rodrigo_> TODO: lots :) like finish up the become-tomboy-friend branch (tomboy syncing), more evo-couchdb work
[15:04] <rodrigo_> BLOCKED: exhausted by last week
[15:04] <rodrigo_> vds: your turn
[15:04] <vds> DONE: Code review, code review, code review, started a branch with mark to add the funambol ds-server to the sourcedeps of our code base, started one more branch to add the configuration bits to run the ds server in a working env.
[15:04] <vds> TODO: I've suspended the previous branch I was working on (db contact snapshot) and I will resume it once I'm done with the funambol server
[15:04] <vds> BLOCKED: no
[15:04] <vds> I haven't seen any other "me"
[15:04] <statik> me
[15:05] <statik> DONE: tarmac sprint
[15:05] <statik> TODO: fix the wsgi servers with chad and pfibiger
[15:05] <statik> BLCK: none
[15:05] <jblount> Thanks everyone!
[15:05] <jblount> MEETING ENDS
[15:06] <statik> thisfred, teknico, vds: i'm desperate to understand what additional python libraries need to be released and packaged for karmic besides desktopcouch.
[15:06] <statik> for the contacts stuff
[15:07] <jan____> wow, that was a tight meeting
[15:08] <statik> jan____, nice to see you! the daily standup is status only, then we follow up on any issues raised separately so everyone else can get back to work
[15:08] <jan____> statik: hi :) I might wanna steal that concept
[15:09] <vds> thisfred teknico statik: what about a quick skype call? we should involve aquarius but I don't see him
[15:11] <statik> vds: aquarius is not working this week
[15:11] <thisfred> vds aquarius is on holiday
[15:11] <vds> ok
[15:11] <statik> and it's ok to say that in a public channel because he's already announced it on twitter :)
[15:11] <thisfred> the piranha pit *is* activated ;)
[15:12] <thisfred> anyhow: python libraries: contacts (perhaps renamed to desktopcouch-contacts) and that's it AFAIK.
[15:13] <thisfred> statik: vds ^^
[15:13]  * thisfred is thinking if he's missing anything
[15:13] <thisfred> statik:  couchdb-python itself obviously, but that's done I think?
[15:13] <thisfred> skype call is also fine btw
[15:14] <teknico> statik, none that I know of, off the top of my head
[15:14] <statik> thisfred, so lib/ubuntuone/contacts needs to be released as a separate project and packaged?
[15:14] <teknico> vds, I'm available for a call
[15:15] <vds> let's statik decide if a call is needed
[15:15] <statik> i can't do skype right now unfortunately :(
[15:15] <vds> decided :)
[15:16] <teknico> vds, oh, sorry, I hadn't got that it was about statik's question :-)
[15:16] <statik> so if it's just lib/ubuntuone/contacts, then i need someone to do a branch adding a proper setup.py to it, and then i can help with setting up the project and getting the license approved
[15:16] <thisfred> statik: yes, although it's pitfully empty yet. teknico is adding something right now I believe
[15:16] <statik> and i'd really like to get it published to the world this week
[15:17] <thisfred> statik: does it need to have the distutils.extra stuff, or is a plain distutils setup.py ok?
[15:18] <thisfred> statik: vds, teknico markgsaye_: I'd like for the initial release to also include the first version of the contact schema, in text. We can just take what Stuart wrote and dump it in a text file in there.
[15:19] <vds> thisfred: +1
[15:19] <statik> thisfred, plain distutils is ok
[15:20] <thisfred> statik: I can do those things today
[15:20] <statik> thisfred, awesome!
[15:20] <thisfred> statik vds teknico markgsaye_ what do we think of naming it desktopcouch-contacts?
[15:20] <mattgriffin> any tips on how to get the menu icon to stop spinning? it says it's still 'working'.
[15:21] <statik> thisfred, fine with me
[15:21] <teknico> thisfred, if it manages contacts-specific records in desktopcouch, it seems an appropriate name :-)
[15:21] <statik> python-desktopcouch-contacts will be the package name in debian then
[15:22] <thisfred> ok, will do that then
[15:25] <CardinalFang> mattgriffin:  "kill -TSTP ...", har har.  What does the  .cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log  file say?
[15:30] <rmcbride> mattgriffin: the end of syncdaemon.log would help (as CardinalFang mentioned) We do seem to have occasional status issues with the applet
[15:30] <mattgriffin> cool. i'll check it out.
[15:30] <mattgriffin> thanks
[15:30] <dpm> hey rodrigo_, thanks for the review on the enable-translations branch!
[15:30]  * CardinalFang looks for a bug about status in the UI.
[15:31] <rodrigo_> dpm: you're welcome, and sorry for the delay, I was flying back from Gran Canaria
[15:31] <rmcbride> CardinalFang: they're definitely there. We should add the status thing to the "frequently reported bugs" master list for linking dupes to (someone mentioned doing this last week)
[15:31] <dpm> rodrigo_: np
[15:35] <CardinalFang> Ah yeah, bug 330769
[15:38] <CardinalFang> jblount, pfibiger: I'm about to ask shipit for a bunch of 9.04 CDs, unless you have some already.
[15:42] <jblount> CardinalFang: No la tengo, all I have left is Kubuntu CDs (which are still valuable and worthwhile)
[15:42] <dobey> i guess we need to create a "faq" about the keyring too
[15:43]  * jblount notices his bad spanish influnced by pfibiger 's taste in music.
[15:43] <CardinalFang> (says you!)
[15:44] <jblount> heh
[15:46] <jblount> jdobrien: Jacob Kaplan-Moss just posted this on his blog about authentication / session / other stuff in Django http://jacobian.org/writing/django-internals-authen/
[15:46] <jdobrien> jblount: uh? ok
[15:47] <dobey> grr
[15:48] <jblount> jdobrien: Sorry, I just thought it might be interesting considering how much you seem to think about account related stuff :)
[16:02] <thisfred> statik: dobey: the tests in desktopcouch depend on testtools, which is probably not a good idea. Should I rewrite them to use plain unittest.TestCase? I think they don't use much of testtools anyway.
[16:05] <statik> thisfred, testtools is packaged for karmic already
[16:05] <statik> i believe it is in universe already, let me check
[16:06] <statik> thisfred, yep python-testtools is in karmic universe so it's fine to build-depend on it (so the tests can use it). http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python-testtools
[16:08] <dobey> statik, thisfred: we should get it backported to jaunty and hardy
[16:08] <statik> yeah
[16:09] <statik> i think there is even a backports team
[16:09] <dobey> there is
[16:12] <thisfred> statik: dobey oh ok, that's even better, I can leave them in contacts as well then :)
[16:15] <statik> dobey, can you review the MIRs for ubuntuone-client for kenvandine? there are a couple of things that need to be tweaked on the wiki pages and then I think the packages can go into main
[16:15] <kenvandine> dobey, i will send them to you in a sec
[16:33] <statik> thisfred, dobey: just in case you haven't seen it yet, here is how you would request backports of python-testtools for hardy and jaunty https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports (of course it goes faster if we do the work, but this is the process to follow)
[16:34] <dobey> statik: yep. i've already requested backports for python-oauth :)
[16:34] <statik> great!
[16:34] <dobey> which reminds me that i need to test james_w's changes to it, on hardy
[16:37] <thisfred> statik: thanks
[17:14] <thisfred> mail sent to Benoît Chesnau, creator of couchdbkit to see if it makes sense to make that speak couchdesktop
[17:25] <jan____> thisfred: he's benoitc on freenode
[17:26] <thisfred> jan____: I know: see #couchdb a few minutes ago ;_
[17:26] <thisfred> statik: I'm a little stuck between stations: I've created the setup.py and renamed contacts, but now of course the imports don't work, and I'm not sure how to fix them, should I go the distance, and bzr mv desktopcouch-contacts into packages, and symlink from lib into its package directory?
[17:29] <jan____> thisfred: hehe
[17:48] <jdobrien> 2009-07-13 12:46:15,754:754.17804718 UbuntuOne.Client.Applet Failed to execute program /usr/bin/ubuntuone-syncdaemon: Success
[17:48] <jdobrien> I got that error ^^^ .... but isn't it supposed to be /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[17:50] <rmcbride> jdobrien: hmm
[17:50] <rmcbride> jdobrien: you don't have some kind of frankensteined mixed-bag install again, do you?
[17:50] <jdobrien> rmcbride: 'again'?
[17:51] <jdobrien> rmcbride: how can I tell?
[17:51] <rmcbride> jdobrien: last week, when you were having similar issues, and it had to do with having some things pointing to old paths
[17:51] <rmcbride> jdobrien: first thing would be "which ubuntuone-client-applet"
[17:52] <rmcbride> jdobrien: it might be you have an old client in the old path and its being exec'd in place of the installed client
[17:52] <jdobrien>  apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client-applet
[17:52] <jdobrien> W: Unable to locate package ubuntuone-client-applet
[17:52] <rmcbride> no
[17:52] <rmcbride> it's not a package. We want to know which one is execing . 'which ubuntuone-client-applet' at a terminal
[17:52] <rmcbride> jdobrien: is what we need
[17:53] <jdobrien> rmcbride: tell me what to type and I can give you an answer
[17:53] <rmcbride> jdobrien: what I typed in ' quotes is exactly what you need to type
[17:53] <jdobrien> which ubuntuone-client-applet
[17:53] <jdobrien> /usr/bin/ubuntuone-client-applet
[17:53] <rmcbride> jdobrien: that's what I needed. One sec.
[17:54] <rmcbride> jdobrien: that's the right path. Now do 'ls -l /usr/bin/ubuntuone-client-applet'
[17:54] <rmcbride> so we can look at the date on that file
[17:54] <jdobrien> ls -l /usr/bin/ubuntuone-client-applet
[17:54] <jdobrien> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23K 2009-07-09 10:25 /usr/bin/ubuntuone-client-applet*
[17:55] <rmcbride> jdobrien: that's very strange
[17:55] <rmcbride> jdobrien: you're correct that it looks like it's going to the wrong path for the syncdaemon... but that does appear to be the right date stamp
[17:55] <jdobrien> rmcbride: this is why we keep getting people reporting that it is not starting
[17:56] <rmcbride> jdobrien: actually in those cases I think it's to do with the dep stuff.
[17:56] <rmcbride> jdobrien: I'm looking at a couple things on a test box to make sure we're headed down the right path. one sec (or so)
[17:58] <verterok> rmcbride, jdobrien: syndaemon is started via DBus, take a look to the dates in: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.service
[17:58] <rmcbride> verterok: you're a step ahead of me. I was almost there :)
[17:58] <verterok> rmcbride: :)
[17:58] <jdobrien> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 99 2009-07-09 10:23 /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.service
[17:59] <rmcbride> jdobrien: that's it. cat that file
[17:59] <jdobrien> [D-BUS Service]
[17:59] <jdobrien> Name=com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon
[17:59] <jdobrien> Exec=/usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[17:59] <rmcbride> OK that's just bizzare
[17:59] <rmcbride> it should not be trying to start it from /usr/bin with that entry there
[17:59] <jdobrien> rmcbride: it doesn't exist in usr/bin
[18:00] <rmcbride> jdobrien: I know
[18:00] <rmcbride> jdobrien: hence the error message you got
[18:00] <rmcbride> jdobrien: the question is WHY did client-applet think that's where it was? too strange.
[18:01] <thisfred> statik: solved,  I think. Running tests now, then I will propose and assign a specific review to you.
[18:02] <verterok> rmcbride, jdobrien: locate com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.service
[18:02] <jdobrien> verterok: how?
[18:02] <verterok> jdobrien: execute: 'locate com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.service'
[18:02] <rmcbride> jdobrien: type exactly what he put there
[18:02] <verterok> :)
[18:03] <rmcbride> jdobrien: and pastebin the result. SHould be a wall of text
[18:03] <jdobrien> rmcbride: it's 3 lines
[18:03] <rmcbride> jdobrien: OK it's a wall of text on my machine
[18:03] <rmcbride> jdobrien: probably because I have 16 tabs of bugs open
[18:03] <jdobrien> /home/john/wireitup2/configs/dbus-session/com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.service
[18:03] <jdobrien> /home/john/wireitup2/packages/ubuntuone-client/data/com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.service
[18:03] <jdobrien> /usr/local/share/dbus-1/services/com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.service
[18:03] <jdobrien> /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.service
[18:03] <rmcbride> ahah
[18:04] <rmcbride> jdobrien: cat the copy in /usr/local/share
[18:04] <rmcbride> jdobrien: I'm betting that's the problem
[18:04] <jdobrien> rmcbride:  yes
[18:04] <rmcbride> I have no idea how it would GET there, but that's almost certainly it
[18:04] <jdobrien> should that exist...and where did it come from
[18:04] <rmcbride> No it should not exist.
[18:05] <jdobrien> rmcbride: how do i get rid of it without breaking something else
[18:05] <rmcbride> jdobrien: it won't break anything else if you just remove  /usr/local/share/dbus-1/services/com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.service
[18:05] <rmcbride> Very very interesting. I wonder if that was the path we used at one point
[18:06] <rmcbride> and somehow with the renaming and such it didn't get cleaned up durign upgrade. None of my upgrade machines are having that issue...
[18:06] <jdobrien> rmcbride: hard to tell
[18:06] <rmcbride> but it could be something that was cleaned up by a build that didn't get installed on your machine for whatever reason
[18:07] <jdobrien> rmcbride: I wonder what I need to restart in order for that to change
[18:07] <rmcbride> jdobrien: and then subsiquent builds didn't work...
[18:07] <rmcbride> jdobrien: once you've removed that, it should work (if I understand dbus correctly)
[18:07] <rmcbride> jdobrien: otherwise a relog is probably necessary
[18:07] <rmcbride> or at least a restart of the client
[18:08] <jdobrien> ha! I had a renamed folder come back!
[18:08] <rmcbride> wow I really need to clean up my local branches, That's why I saw so many entries.
[18:08] <rmcbride> jdobrien: heh
[18:09] <rmcbride> well now we know to check /usr/local/share in some of these "won't start" cases, should the current packages not resolve
[18:10] <jdobrien> We should create some kind of clean up script or something
[18:11] <jdobrien> rmcbride: that seems to have corrected my problem
[18:11] <rmcbride> jdobrien: it should be handled when the package is upgrade if it moves. In all cases on my test machines it has been. Why it happened is a puzzle
[18:12] <rmcbride> jdobrien: cool. Once we saw teh copy in /usr/local it was clear what was happening.
[18:19] <jdobrien> Could I get some people to test this bug #375011? I can't reproduce this
[18:22] <dobey> we have an e-mail newsletter?
[18:22] <jdobrien> dobey: not yet, but I was told to add that to the site
[18:22] <dobey> it works fine here
[18:24] <rmcbride> meh, I had join/part turned off and missed that he left.
[18:24] <rmcbride> dobey: it worked fine here, or so I thought. Once I moused over the checked box, it cleared teh checkbox. Then selecting a second time seemed to work
[18:25] <rmcbride> can't make it do it again though
[18:26] <dobey> i made it turn red
[18:27] <dobey> but it still enables/disables properly
[18:27] <dobey> at least in the ui
[18:27] <dobey> the rapid succession of clicking might have broken something else
[18:28] <statik> re
[18:28] <rmcbride> dobey: I can reproduce it by deselecting it, clearing my cache, and going back to the page again. Same sequence of events. Adding that to the bug report and moving on :)
[18:32] <thisfred> restatik: prepackaging branch proposed, and review specifically requested of you
[18:40] <statik> thisfred, ok looking now
[18:41] <thisfred> statik: no hurry, *unless* I did something wrong and have to fix it today ;)
[18:42] <statik> https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+activereviews is handy when dealing with reviews across a bunch of projects
[18:42] <statik> thisfred, we normally don't put any code under bzr control in sourcecode
[18:42] <thisfred> statik: oh nice. That doesn't show the reviews you *could* do because of groups you're in though, right?
[18:42] <statik> that directory is for external branches
[18:43] <statik> thisfred: yeah, +activereviews needs to also show reviews I could do
[18:43] <thisfred> statik: yeah I realize, it was a temporary hack to get the fixed imports working ahead of packaging...
[18:43] <thisfred> statik: if it's too dirty,  I'll undo it
[18:44] <statik> thisfred: i think it will bite us when people try to update to the next version. could you just move the stuff from sourcecode to packages/, then once it's published separately we can move the symlink to point into sourcecode/ at the external branch?
[18:45] <statik> thisfred: also, do you think this needs to be a totally separate project, or should we just stick it into the desktopcouch project as a separate module somehow?
[18:46] <statik> so python-desktopcouch-contacts would still be a separate package, and still have a separate setup.py...
[18:46] <thisfred> statik: sure, and yes, that sounds like a good suggestion
[18:47] <statik> i guess the module namespace would be desktopcouch.contacts ?
[18:47] <thisfred> statik: yeah, that would be an improvement even: I though plain 'contacts' was a little presumtuous
[18:47] <thisfred> +p
[18:48] <statik> cool. i'll write all this on the code review. thanks for working on it!
[18:48] <thisfred> statik: ok, I'll start with moving it to packages
[18:49] <thisfred> statik: done
[18:50] <statik> thisfred, if you feel like adding the LGPLv3 headers (you can copy from desktopcouch) that would make things even easier at the next step :)
[18:51] <thisfred> statik: sure
[18:51] <thisfred> statik: that's just those files with all caps names, right?
[18:51] <statik> thisfred: no, it's just looking at the comments at the top of any of the python source files in desktopcouch and putting the same header/copyright on the stuff in desktopcouch.contacts
[18:52] <thisfred> statik: ah ok
[18:55] <thisfred> statik: also pushed
[18:56] <thisfred> statik: for the moving into desktop couch is there anything I can do?
[18:56] <statik> thisfred, awesome! can you resubmit the merge proposal to get a new diff generated?
[18:56] <thisfred> statik: will do
[18:57] <thisfred> statik: 'request another review' will do that, right?
[18:58] <statik> thisfred: i think it's changing the top-level merge proposal status to 'resubmit'
[18:58] <statik> thisfred: don't let me talk you into working too late tonight. i think the next steps for getting this into desktopcouch is simply to propose a branch adding the contacts dir and code to the desktopcouch project
[18:59] <statik> thisfred: since desktopcouch is already a sourcedep...the only other thing to do would be change the imports in ubunet as you have already
[19:00] <thisfred> statik: nah, my wife's away, so I have time ;) (although if you have no further need of me, I'll switch to desktopcouchification of my autoqueue plugin)
[19:00] <thisfred> statik: resubmitted
[19:14] <statik> thisfred, contacts-prepackaging is approved if you want to land it
[19:14] <thisfred> statik: cool, pqm submitting now!
[19:31] <thisfred> statik: and re-submitting: trunk was conflicting
[19:35] <statik> thisfred: you don't need a re-review just for fixing conflicts unless you feel like you want a review to be sure you solved the conflicts the right way
[19:36] <thisfred> statik: ah, no, I meant re-pqm submitted ;)
[19:36] <thisfred> I have confidence in me :)
[19:37] <statik> cool
[19:45] <BUGabundo> bom fim de tarde :)
[19:50] <rmcbride> hiya BUGabundo
[19:50] <BUGabundo> hey rmcbride
[20:12] <BUGabundo> v
[20:36] <thisfred> I have *too much* confidence in me. The tests in contacts itself still imported from the wrong place... :( re-re-pqm-submitted
[20:40] <dobey> heh
[21:16] <sheepeatingtaz> Good evening all
[21:17] <sheepeatingtaz> is there a way of seeing how a sync is prgressing?
[21:17] <sheepeatingtaz> I can see the applet-icon spinning, but would like to know how it is getting on :)
[21:18] <jblount> sheepeatingtaz:  u1sdtool --current-transfers
[21:19] <jblount> sheepeatingtaz: If you throw that into a terminal, it'll give you a bit of data on what's transferring :)
[21:19] <sheepeatingtaz> jblount: that'll do for now, cheers!
[21:23] <thisfred> statik: it finally landed


[01:28] <highvoltage> edubuntu meeting today?
[01:29] <dholbach> in 13,5h?
[01:31] <highvoltage> dholbach: there is? normally it's at 12:00 GMT on wednesdays.
[01:31] <highvoltage> i'll ask on #edubuntu to make sure :)
[01:31] <dholbach> oh, my feed is wrong then
[01:31] <dholbach> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[11:54] <Simira> evening, sladen