[07:18] <tonyyarusso> jayrod06: I actually wasn't a huge fan of OS X for me.  It's very very impressive, just not _me_.  Oh well.  Gnome suits me fine.
[07:18] <drumline_> kestas: that's why they moved to Intel.  duh!  :)
[07:18] <SurfnKid> go to the SPM and search for fan, there is a toshiba package for fan settings last i checked
[07:18] <nickrud> DarkED, you need an ubuntu compatible deb. On the face of it, that is not one
[07:18] <kestas> you have to buy all the software for them, and if you dont like to buy software you have to use so much OSS that it ends up as FreeBSD with an expensive interface
[07:18] <kestas> you have to buy the whole OS again every 6 months
[07:18] <intelikey> howto test whether lba32 is used on a disk or no ?
[07:18] <kestas> its insecure
[07:19] <drumline_> GTar: the //drive/ portion is the NetBIOS name...
[07:19] <kestas> Mac blows, OS X blows, I feel sorry for anyone who buys into the BS
[07:19] <jaime_> now i found the audio thing i was talking about later
[07:19] <SurfnKid> never tried OS X
[07:19] <SurfnKid> the name scares me
[07:20] <drumline_> GTar: you might be able to go into the network browsing portion of Konqueror...   at this point though, witchout the IP address, I can't be of much help...  I haven't done it without an IP before.
[07:20] <dust_> SurfnKid: yeah i found that and i can turn the fan on or off whenever i want but i want  to just set the fan to come on automatically at a lower tempature
[07:20] <intelikey> nobody    howto test whether lba32 is used on a disk or no ?
[07:20] <SurfnKid> and since I dont like McDonalds, Mac just reminds me of those burgers
[07:20] <Amaranth> intelikey: hdparm should tell you
[07:20] <nickrud> intelikey, sudo hdparm -I it's there
[07:20] <GTar> that's cool cheers for the info :D
[07:20] <lnostdal> Mac / OS X? no way .. ThinkPad + Ubuntu is the shit :]
[07:20] <NitroRebel> Can anyone tell me what this is all about?
[07:20] <NitroRebel> joe@ubuntu:~$ sudo synaptic
[07:20] <NitroRebel> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: May 29 00:45:13 2006
[07:20] <jayrod06> how does os x blow
[07:20] <SurfnKid> dust ah, well there's a few more proggys there but i saw only 1 or 2 for toshiba
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> lnostdal: Agreed.  T43.
[07:20] <jayrod06> os x is actually unix, linux is just an imitation :)
[07:20] <SurfnKid> Red Hot Chilli Peppers is on Dali California, good song
[07:21] <tonyyarusso> NitroRebel: I don't know why that happens, but I do know that something involving the 'touch' command fixes it.
[07:21] <spikeb> OSX is not unix
[07:21] <Amaranth> jayrod06: uh
[07:21] <SurfnKid> http://www.1096qw.com/asx/nova969.asx for anyone who is interested
[07:21] <nickrud> intelikey, erm, under capabilities
[07:21] <spikeb> it's unix-like
[07:21] <jaime_> does anyone where to get mpg321 vorbis-tools
[07:21] <drumline_> gtar: welcome.  :)    once you know the IP, you can login how I showed you and then access your shares.
[07:21] <intelikey> Amaranth nickrud danke
[07:21] <dust_> os x blows because it is propreitary
[07:21] <SurfnKid> who owns OSX
[07:21] <SurfnKid> hey igor
[07:21] <Amaranth> Let's not randomly insult other OSes.
[07:21] <nickrud> jaime_, sudo apt-get install  mpg321 vorbis-tools
[07:21] <NitroRebel> Touch command?
[07:21] <drumline_> OSX is blood brothers with FreeBSD
[07:21] <dust_> and linux is great not because it outperforms osx but because it belongs to everyone that uses it
[07:21] <igorzolnikov> how i can share ssh?
[07:21] <SurfnKid> ah
[07:22] <drumline_> FreeBSD = Unix
[07:22] <nickrud> nonix4, let's give specific insults, they're more fun. But, sadly offtopic
[07:22] <igorzolnikov> how i can run sshd?
[07:22] <SurfnKid> dust thats right, everyone who cooperates not just in the US but all over the world
[07:22] <Amaranth> dust_: although linux does outperform OS X :P
[07:22] <nickrud> nonix4, sorry
[07:22] <jrsims> anyone here know how to point the nvidia driver installer to my kernel source tree?
[07:22] <mikomiko_> how can i get the firefox 1.5
[07:22] <tonyyarusso> NitroRebel: I don't know how to do it exactly, but 'man touch' might help you.
[07:22] <disinterested_pe> how do u extract a .tar file into an /opt folder?
[07:22] <NoUse> jrsims have you tried installing the drivers via synaptic
[07:22] <SurfnKid> anyone know what the error under the CPU state in GKrellM mean
[07:23] <dust_> yeah performance is good too!
[07:23] <spikeb> osx only really has two problems- the first is that apple forgot what user interface design was, and the second is xnu
[07:23] <jrsims> NoUse: I haven't. I don't think they're available on Synaptic for my GeForce 4
[07:23] <disinterested_pe> miko miko here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:23] <Amaranth> jrsims: they're probably already installed
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, shoot, we did it again.  Discussion of other OSs and lots of other crazy nonsense is welcome in #ubuntu-offtopic.  Support only here please.  (Maybe if I say it enough I'll stick to it myself, eh?)
[07:23] <Amaranth> jrsims: you want the nvidia-glx package
[07:23] <jaime_> its says Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied )
[07:23] <jrsims> Amaranth: aha
[07:24] <NoUse> !tell jrsims about nvidia
[07:24] <jaime_> how can i can i get permision
[07:24] <SurfnKid> jaime what are u doin
[07:24] <Amaranth> jaime_: sudo
[07:24] <SurfnKid> sudo su
[07:24] <tonyyarusso> disinterested_pe: You'll need sudo for one thing.  And I think it should be tar -x file.tar /opt/whatever.
[07:24] <Amaranth> SurfnKid: don't tell people to do that, it's a bad idea
[07:24] <dust_> i use a geforce 4 and i was able to get nvidia working using synaptic and some great wiki pages-- i forget what they are called but just search nvidia
[07:24] <SurfnKid> ok
[07:24] <DJ_Danni> essential-20060501 Where do that go?
[07:24] <disinterested_pe> ty tony
[07:24] <intelikey> nickrud   /dev/sda:
[07:24] <jaime_> then what do i do
[07:24] <intelikey>  HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid argument
[07:25] <intelikey> that's what -I says
[07:25] <SurfnKid> just tried to help cuz thats how i got in :)
[07:25] <AlmtyBob> does anyone have an Asus A8n5x with 4 drives?
[07:25] <nickrud> intelikey, I don't think hdparm deals with scsi. I've never owned one to find out
[07:25] <dust_> so does anyone know how to set a cpu fan to come on at a lower temp? is that possible even?
[07:25] <DJ_Danni> Hey where do all the Decoders go to?
[07:25] <intelikey> another way ?
[07:26] <SurfnKid> no clue dust maybe look it up on ubutufurums.org
[07:26] <SurfnKid> forums sorry
[07:26] <jrsims> is there any benefit to recompiling my kernel with gcc 4 (as opposed to 3.0)?
[07:26] <jaime_> after sudo what do i do then
[07:26] <nickrud> intelikey, not a clue. I've heard of scuzzy nearly my entire computing lifetime, just never used it
[07:26] <Amaranth> jrsims: it won't compile right
[07:26] <dust_> good idea.
[07:26] <Amaranth> jrsims: that's what it uses gcc 3.4
[07:26] <jrsims> k
[07:26] <DJ_Danni> Hey Hey nickrud are you there?
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> dust_: Possible, absolutely.  Easy?  No idea.
[07:26] <intelikey> Amaranth another way to check for lba32 ?     scsi disk.  ?
[07:26] <nickrud> DJ_Danni, sure
[07:26] <Amaranth> jrsims: but it doesn't really make things faster
[07:26] <Amaranth> intelikey: no idea
[07:27] <SurfnKid> dust i got a lot of info there for my wlan0 card, sound, and a few other things
[07:27] <mikomiko_> is there an easy way to get the firefox
[07:27] <Amaranth> mikomiko_: you mean to get firefox 1.5 on breezy?
[07:27] <intelikey> k thanks any way
[07:27] <mikomiko_> instead of following all of these instructions
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> mikomiko_: 1.5 you mean?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVErsion
[07:27] <DJ_Danni> I was doenloading a Coders and where do they go mean where shut i Extart them?
[07:27] <jayrod06> guys say you have an 80 gig harddrive, how much would you give linux and how much would you give windows, keeping in mind that most games are used in windows
[07:27] <Amaranth> mikomiko_: that's the only way
[07:27] <NoUse> mikomiko_ you could wait for Dapper
[07:27] <Managu> intelikey: lba32 is an addressing scheme, not really an operating mode.  What is it you want to know about your drive?
[07:27] <Amaranth> mikomiko_: unless you upgrade to the dapper release candidate
[07:28] <nickrud> DJ_Danni, the best way to get those codecs for nsv is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats#head-16ea04e7e1ecd06555912ba3f470b56563cbd85d
[07:28] <spikeb> jayrod06: i'd give each ten, and then share the rest of the drive between the two as fat32
[07:28] <igorzolnikov> how can i run sshd?
[07:28] <intelikey> Managu yes but if it's not lba and i select lba wont that pitch a fit ?
[07:28] <Amaranth> igorzolnikov: install the openssh-server package
[07:28] <DJ_Danni> i have them
[07:28] <Managu> intelikey:  select lba where?
[07:28] <NoUse> igorzolnikov apt-get install openssh-server
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> jayrod06: Downside of that is fat32 won't do permissions.
[07:28] <DJ_Danni> But where shut i Extart them?
[07:28] <Amaranth> igorzolnikov: it'll start the server once you've installed that then start it on every boot too
[07:28] <intelikey> Managu lilo
[07:28] <jrsims> ok, so after I have the nvidia glx packages installed, how do I make x use the driver?
[07:29] <intelikey> like make it not boot or something
[07:29] <Amaranth> jrsims: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[07:29] <jayrod06> ok rooting out fat 32
[07:29] <jrsims> Amaranth: command not found
[07:29] <jayrod06> 50/50?
[07:29] <nickrud> DJ_Danni, they will extracted automatically to /usr/lib/win32 if you do those two steps
[07:29] <Managu> intelikey: you're using lilo?  Ugh.  That said, LBA support is something your bios supports (or not).  Unless your HD is ancient, it has nothing to do with the HD (iirc)
[07:29] <Amaranth> jrsims: install the nvidia-xconfig package
[07:29] <NoUse> jrsims it tells you what to do on the wiki page
[07:30] <SurfnKid> anyone gone to see the Da Ubuntu Code yet?
[07:30] <NoUse> Amaranth there is no such package
[07:30] <Amaranth> oh :P
[07:30] <jrsims> Amaranth: I can't seem to find that specific package in synaptic
[07:30] <intelikey> Managu well scsi hdd's (the ones i've had) can be lowlevel formated with or without lba   and i don't know which this is....
[07:31] <NoUse> jrsims the wiki page tells you what to do
[07:31] <intelikey> Managu you don't like lilo ?
[07:31] <jrsims> Amaranth: nm. It's "nvidia-glx-config"
[07:31] <nickrud> jrsims, the easy way for nvidia: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) nvidia-glx ; then gksudo "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" and change nv to nvidia under Section "Device" ; then log out and hit clt-alt-backspace
[07:31] <Managu> intelikey: GRUB is default for Ubuntu.  So the fact you're using lilo makes me wonder what's up
[07:31] <Amaranth> ah
[07:32] <intelikey> Managu you wonder what's up if anything is 'non-default' do you ?
[07:32] <jrsims> sweet. gonna restart x and see what happens. thanks for the help
[07:32] <mikomiko_> I am trying to use the Quick and Dirty way to install the firefox
[07:32] <mikomiko_> but i am being told that i dont have permission to install in /home
[07:32] <mikomiko_> how do i do it
[07:32] <hallo> hallo
[07:32] <Managu> intelikey: Not really looking to pick a fight here.
[07:33] <nickrud> mikomiko_, there is no quick and easy way to integrate firefox into ubuntu, use the wiki and follow it carefully
[07:33] <nickrud> !ff1.5
[07:33] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:33] <SurfnKid> Im just waiting for ubuntu to crash or something so I can do another install and do this whole wlan0 thing again
[07:33] <spikeb> heh good luck with that SurfnKid
[07:33] <jaime_> hey surfinkid
[07:33] <intelikey> SurfnKid best way to crash it is dist-upgrades
[07:33] <mikomiko_> I am using it
[07:33] <spikeb> SurfnKid: you could just do the install again :)
[07:33] <mikomiko_> that page has this section Installing Firefox quick and dirty
[07:34] <DarkED> ok, let me try this again
[07:34] <DarkED> stupid internet
[07:34] <intelikey> well maybe not the best.  but a good way.  :)
[07:34] <DarkED> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14818
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: 'cause lot's of things are good?  I don't use everything, but I'm pretty happy w/ Ubuntu's picks.  Notably exception being Thunderbird vs. Evolution.   Synergy is a program that allows you to do dual monitor heads with two computers over ethernet. What is the best way to do this?
[07:37] <spikeb> lol
[07:37] <rexykik> kestas: move it faster
[07:37] <spikeb> "windows has detected that you have moved your mouse too fast. please reboot"
[07:37] <intelikey> tonyyarusso sure.  i have nothing against the "package selections" per'se   but one good example is the default sudo setup.   and the default irssi/xchat   the two togather make the system as weak as the user password.  you irc we all see your user name and know that sudo is root access for free and if you have used sudo in the last few minutes we don't even need your password, just an exploit.... hehhe or ssh even in some
[07:37] <AlmtyBob> how can I get a rough description of a hard drive from the console?
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> kestas: And click.
[07:38] <kestas> hmm Im moving it and clicking, still nothing's happening :)
[07:38] <AlmtyBob> a serial number/manufcaturer/model number would be nice, any of them that is
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: What don't you like about the sudo setup?
[07:38] <kestas> rexykik: add it to the session startup
[07:38] <mikomiko_> how do i change directory to Desktop
[07:38] <kestas> rexykik: System>Preferences>Session (or something)
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: Oh, I see.
[07:38] <intelikey> does that not explain it ^ ?
[07:38] <intelikey> yeah...
[07:38] <NoUse> mikomiko_ cd Desktop
[07:38] <nickrud> mikomiko_, cd ~/Desktop
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: Sorry, read twice.  What would you suggest instead?
[07:39] <kholerabbi> I have an NTFS partition, how do I access it on ubuntu?
[07:39] <rexykik> kestas...i don't mean just for kde/gnome, i mean for any desktop environment
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> !ntfs
[07:39] <ubotu> ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions there is no write support for ntfs that is safe.
[07:39] <NoUse> !tell kholerabbi about ntfs
[07:39] <spikeb> turn off sudo keeping the password then
[07:39] <DarkED_> nickrud: it wont lemme do that either
[07:39] <NoUse> kholerabbi read only is supported
[07:39] <DarkED_> gives the same divert error
[07:39] <DarkED_> i need to delete the diversion i think
[07:39] <kestas> rexykik: depends how your X session is started; gdm, xinit?
[07:39] <rexykik> kdm at the moment
[07:39] <nickrud> DarkED, try sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:40] <SurfnKid> i wouldnt mount ntfs at all, ill just leave it alone
[07:40] <rexykik> or whatever kubuntu comes with default
[07:40] <kholerabbi> OK, thanks, so I can copy them across though? Thats all I need.
[07:40] <NoUse> SurfnKid why?
[07:40] <nickrud> DarkED, you got that deb from where, anyway
[07:40] <SurfnKid> unless there havent been any issues
[07:40] <drumline_> ubotu: I think there's data on that in the mount man page
[07:40] <ubotu> drumline_: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:40] <rexykik> intelikey: when I install I just do a sudo passwd, set a password, and then remove everyone from the sudo group
[07:40] <kestas> rexykik: then I think you'll have to add stuff for each wm, or come up with some messy hack
[07:40] <rexykik> messy hack it is!
[07:40] <intelikey> well,  editing sudo and setting up a special user for admin  but allowing the default user sudo rights to frequent apps like maybe  mount  for one.   you know things that you are always typing  sudo blah.  set it up so you can blah but not  bash  or things like that.
[07:40] <nickrud> DarkED, I've never had to mess with diversions in properly built packages
[07:40] <AlmtyBob> heh the thing I don't like about sudo is I end up playing simon says all the goddamned time.  "/etc/init.d/ssh restart" err...  Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:41] <SurfnKid> NoUse if Im dual booting would that mess up the partiton or just means it would mount it in ubuntu?
[07:41] <NoUse> drumline_ ubotu is a bot
[07:41] <NoUse> SurfnKid it just mounts it read-only, so it can't change anything
[07:41] <drumline_> I don't take lip from anyone... especially a bot
[07:41] <SurfnKid> ah ok
[07:41] <drumline_> :)
[07:41] <SurfnKid> maybe ill try that JIC
[07:41] <kestas> rexykik: you could have a cronscript check whether it's running, and whether you're logged in, every minute, and if you're logged in and it's not running it'll run it
[07:42] <nickrud> drumline_, you should have heard ubotu before he got cleaned up :)
[07:42] <drumline_> nickrud: :)  lewd?
[07:42] <peruano> hi guys, i tried to mount my win partition, but i can't, maybe i doing it wrong,  mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /media/win  after that, i got this message , win does not exist, somebody could help me
[07:42] <evi|one__> Hello. Is there any ETA for Dapper Drake?
[07:42] <rexykik> kestas: i was thinking that
[07:42] <jrsims> ok, so it looks like the drivers installed, but I can't see GDM.
[07:42] <Hobbsee> evi|one__: june 1
[07:42] <nickrud> drumline_, no, just totally insulting. talk about llipp...
[07:42] <NoUse> peruano sudo mkdir /media/win
[07:42] <kholerabbi> That ntfs wiki is for pre-ubuntu5.1 releases, but I have ubuntu 5.1 so how do I do It?
[07:42] <jrsims> anyone know how I can edit my nvidia setup?
[07:42] <rexykik> i don't know my cron well, but I guess everyone needs to learn sometime
[07:43] <benxb> im tryin to hardwire my xbox to my pc and then use wireless from my pc to access the internet. ive tryed everything. can anyone help?
[07:43] <evi|one__> Hobbsee, thanks.
[07:43] <NoUse> kholerabbi same way
[07:43] <nickrud> kholerabbi, it's correct for 5.10
[07:43] <rexykik> benxb: trying to cheat in Halo?
[07:43] <AlmtyBob> sure benxb, go buy an xbox wireless bridge 8)
[07:43] <drumline_> nickrud: You hear about that guy from Yuma, who told an elephant joke to a Puma?  Now his skeleton lies under hot western skies.  Cause the Puma had no sense of huma.
[07:43] <SurfnKid> so how do I mount it NoUse
[07:43] <kestas> benxb: bridge the connections, it's not hard
[07:43] <AlmtyBob> oh yah, you are a halo cheat huh? f-that
[07:43] <NoUse> !tell SurfnKid about ntfs
[07:43] <nickrud> drumline_, on that one I gotta call it a night :)
[07:43] <SurfnKid> thx
[07:44] <drumline_> nickrud: :)  peace bro
[07:44] <benxb> no, i want my xbox in my room (far away from the router) and dont want to hardwire
[07:44] <peruano> thanks NoUse
[07:44] <jrsims> <-- how to edit nvidia display modes?
[07:44] <kholerabbi> But it says it's tons easier for breezy?
[07:44] <benxb> when i setup a bridge i still cant access live or even ftp into my xbox
[07:44] <NoUse> !tell jrsims about xorg
[07:44] <kholerabbi> "With the release of Breezy Badger (Ubuntu 5.10), this step should be almost automatic."??
[07:45] <jrsims> NoUse: it's not telling me anything
[07:45] <NoUse> !xor
[07:45] <ubotu> NoUse: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:45] <NoUse> !xorg
[07:45] <ubotu> I heard xorg is To reconfigure your X server, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" in a terminal, or check here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto or here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-83973.html
[07:45] <NoUse> jrsims ^^
[07:45] <jrsims> k
[07:46] <Schalken> I am running Dapper Beta right now. Do I have to download the CD to upgrade to the stable release?
[07:46] <AlmtyBob> is there a boot log I can look at to see why mounting filesystems failed?
[07:46] <benxb> i have followed this guide http://www.sorgonet.com/network/advancedwirelesswithlinux/ and am not able to ping the xbox, access live, or even access the internet from my pc. i have also tried using firestarters internet connection sharing
[07:46] <NoUse> Schalken no
[07:46] <Madpilot> Schalken, no
[07:47] <SurfnKid> gonna leave the ntfs issue for maybe tomorrow to read
[07:47] <SurfnKid> Im still having a few issues with this Gkrellm that i want to fix first
[07:47] <Schalken> So Synaptic's updating will upgrade to the stable for me?
[07:47] <Madpilot> yes
[07:47] <SurfnKid> !tell Surfnkid about Gkrellm
[07:47] <Schalken> awesome!
[07:48] <SurfnKid> someone smack the bot :P
[07:48] <SurfnKid> Michael Jackson style
[07:48] <Madpilot> was the bot impolite to you, SurfnKid? ;)
[07:48] <SurfnKid> hehe nah
[07:49] <SurfnKid> but i got nothing back from gkrellm
[07:49] <Madpilot> contrary to popular belief, the bot doesn't actually know *everything*. Just most things.
[07:49] <benxb> anyone have any experience setting up a bridge?
[07:49] <disinterested_pe> whoooohooo i got firefox 1.5 installed
[07:49] <Madpilot> !info gkrellm
[07:49] <ubotu> gkrellm: (multiple stacked system monitors: 1 process [client] ), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 2.2.7-2ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 388 kB, Installed size: 956 kB
[07:50] <Schalken> what is the linux-images-????-?-??-amd64-generic package do?
[07:50] <Schalken> image*
[07:50] <Zen> how might I get fglrx working on AMD64 with dapper?  (#ubuntu+1 is totally dead atm)
[07:50] <monsterism> hi, does anyone know which repo zenity is in?
[07:50] <jhenn> how can i tell what is in multiverse? is there a online package database that can show me?
[07:50] <Ganryu> hi, when i try to fresh install ubuntu 6.06rc amd64 it gets pretty much to the end and then locks up everytime (i think it's just before grub install and maybe it's "configuring en-locales-base")
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> jhenn: packages.ubuntu.com
[07:51] <Schalken> monsterisn, just enable all of them and look for it
[07:51] <hyphenated> Ganryu: #ubuntu+1
[07:51] <disinterested_pe> did u search for it in synaptic jhenn?
[07:51] <SurfnKid> it monitors the cpu temp but i goot an error that says error missing proc file, see info tag
[07:51] <NitroRebel> I lost my right-click menu, XUbuntu Dapper. Anyone know what to do?
[07:51] <nickrud> jhenn, aptitude search ~smultiverse
[07:51] <Ganryu> sorry and ty hyphen
[07:51] <intelikey> tonyyarusso dialup   i have a few special settings in there depending on location and don't want to allow anyone to mess with them  so the script is root only write access.  user exec  thus it does an automatic test for location and dilas in from there.
[07:52] <richard> morning
[07:52] <SurfnKid> evening
[07:52] <intelikey> oops  and some times i don't /msg  either....
[07:52] <SurfnKid> so not sure how to fix that
[07:52] <Managu> benxb: just looking at that howto you linked raises some thoughts for me
[07:52] <richard> anyone know what they are doin with linux ...... ive having issues with access privilages
[07:52] <jhenn> nickrud: nothing happened
[07:52] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: Ah, cool.  (auto-testing location especially so...would like to see that script)
[07:52] <Managu> benxb: I remember trying to set up a wireless bridge before, and realizing that it wasn't possible with my particular brand of wireless card.
[07:53] <jaime> hey can anybody help me
[07:53] <nickrud> jhenn, I had my multiverse apps listed, I guess you don't have multiverse enabled
[07:53] <intelikey> SurfnKid whys that ?
[07:53] <kayde> i need help with gimpshop installation
[07:53] <Managu> benxb: that article looks like it references some pretty specific drivers; most linux wireless drivers don't support master mode.  Does yours?
[07:53] <richard> Im trying to mount a hard drive NTFS windows xp install
[07:53] <intelikey> richard see the wiki
[07:53] <jhenn> nickrud: no i don't want it enabled
[07:54] <intelikey> !ntfs
[07:54] <ubotu> ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions there is no write support for ntfs that is safe.
[07:54] <Ademan> does anyone know why the shutdown and restart buttons might have magically dissapeared from the "logout" screen?
[07:54] <SurfnKid> intelikey i wont suggest to use the sudo command, it might do harm to someone's setup
[07:54] <jaime> how can i install the plugins for my toten movie player
[07:54] <kayde> dose anyone know which file type of the new gimp i should download?
[07:54] <Managu> SurfnKid: you were suggesting "sudo su" before, which might be going just a bit far.
[07:55] <SurfnKid> exactly managu
[07:55] <SurfnKid> :)
[07:55] <benxb> i dont even know what master mode is, im using the d-link g520 with an atheros chipset
[07:55] <intelikey> SurfnKid that was the topic.  setting up sudo so that users can do things like that script and not be able to change things.   like sudo was designed for.
[07:55] <kayde> ...?
[07:55] <hyphenated> kayde: what's wrong with the version available via apt-get?
[07:55] <benxb> is there another way to share the internet connection other than using a bridge
[07:55] <NitroRebel> I lost my right-click menu, XUbuntu Dapper. Anyone know what to do?
[07:55] <SurfnKid> right
[07:55] <kayde> hyphenated, what is that?
[07:55] <nickrud> jhenn, for the purposes of finding out what's in multiverse, it's easiest to enable it's repos, and then search. Otherwise, you'd have to look in each of the Packages.gz for release, release-security, release-updates
[07:56] <hyphenated> kayde: it's the way things are usually installed on ubuntu
[07:56] <kayde> hyphenated, im a linux NEWB!
[07:56] <SurfnKid> ok no more about superdooper superuser :P
[07:56] <kayde> hyphenated, um... ok,...
[07:56] <hyphenated> ok then you want synaptics instead of apt-get :-)
[07:56] <monsterism> schalken, thanks, I must have typed it wrong looking for zenity
[07:56] <shriphani> ok guys another question
[07:56] <shriphani> lol
[07:56] <intelikey> here is a sudoers line for you to think about....   not that it is really a good example.  but it is an example; ALL ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/mount /disks/* ,/bin/umount /disks/*
[07:56] <AlmtyBob> can I somehow mount two drives to the same directory without LVM?
[07:57] <kayde> hyphenated, umm...apt get is root ?
[07:57] <SurfnKid> ok ill be back in a bit
[07:57] <shriphani> kayde apt-get should be available to whoever is listed in /etc/sudoers
[07:57] <Managu> benxb: I think the real answer to your question is "doing things the way that howto suggest (probably) won't work for you."  What is it you want to accomplish?
[07:57] <hyphenated> kayde: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingSoftware .. skip down to the bit where it says "Installing a package"
[07:58] <intelikey> AlmtyBob to a subdir   but if you mount them togather you will hide one of them  iirc
[07:59] <AlmtyBob> ah ok thanks
[07:59] <prkchp> i was wondering if someone could help me with ximian evolution.  i'm running ubuntu.  my problem is that my evolution client has smtp authorization and i've configured it and the password correctly for my web/email hosting.  however for some strange reason i cannot resolve the server when attempting a smtp mail send.  one package was removed libgpg-error0 which i was able to fix by reinstalling that and gnome and ubuntu though i
[07:59] <AlmtyBob> can you change existing drives to LVM without losing data?
[07:59] <prkchp> 'm not sure if that had any effect on evolution at all.  even thunderbird does not work for me.  can anyone lend a hand ?
[07:59] <AlmtyBob> prkchp: port 25 is blocked outbound on a lot of ISPs
[07:59] <drumline_> Almty: you have backups?
[07:59] <AlmtyBob> yes
[08:00] <mikomiko_> how do i protect a file or folder in my desktop from being deleted
[08:00] <prkchp> Almty, ok thanks.  Almty, however i seem to be able to use outlook on my windows box.  why would my linux box be jailed ?
[08:00] <AlmtyBob> mikomiko_: chmod a-o filename
[08:00] <benxb> my xbox is right next to my pc (both of which are far away from the wireless router) and i want to be able to access xbox live and be able to ftp into my xbox. i would like to connect the xbox to the pc and use the pc's wireless connection to access the internet
[08:00] <mikomiko_> in terminal?
[08:00] <kayde> shriphani, ...?
[08:00] <kayde> hyphenated, ok ty
[08:00] <AlmtyBob> errr, chmod a-w filename
[08:00] <AlmtyBob> yes, console
[08:01] <intelikey> AlmtyBob i think so.....   don't try it cause i said that tho...  i don't use lvm         example of stacking disks.  mount  dev/hda1 /    dev/hda5 /usr    dev/hda6 /usr/local   and so on....  or even  /var      and /boot      but you get the idea.
[08:01] <AlmtyBob> mikomiko_: if you try to delete it will prompt you if you really want to delete it
[08:01] <mikomiko_> is it a-o or a-w
[08:01] <Managu> benxb: trivial things first: Do you have the right cable?  If you're trying to connect the xbox ethernet port to the pc ethernet port, a standard network cable won't work.  You need a "crossover" cable.
[08:01] <AlmtyBob> a-w
[08:02] <AlmtyBob> mikomiko_: if you REALLY don't want to delete it you can also "chown root filename"
[08:02] <benxb> i have both
[08:02] <mikomiko_> is there a way to password protect it before it can be deleted
[08:02] <AlmtyBob> so it won't even prompt you
[08:02] <NitroRebel> I lost my right-click menu, XUbuntu Dapper. Anyone know what to do?
[08:02] <AlmtyBob> chown root filename will
[08:02] <benxb> however it did work like that when using windows
[08:02] <NitroRebel> I'm completely lost.
[08:02] <AlmtyBob> you'll have to sudo to delete it
[08:02] <AlmtyBob> and even then it will prompt you
[08:02] <AlmtyBob> intelikey: I have a server with 4 hard drives, 3 hold the data I'm serving, I'd like them all in /srv.  Is LVM what I want?
[08:02] <mikomiko_> i installed my firefox in opt folder in my desktop
[08:03] <mikomiko_> i dont want to accidentally delete it
[08:03] <intelikey> chattr
[08:03] <mikomiko_> whats the safest way to protect it
[08:03] <shriphani> intelikey, tell me why xemacs ./config doesnt create a f00ken makefile
[08:03] <intelikey> AlmtyBob kewl.      this box has 8 drives in it atm
[08:03] <AlmtyBob> intelikey: was that chattr at me?
[08:03] <AlmtyBob> mikomiko_: is this your machine?
[08:03] <AlmtyBob> you have root access?
[08:04] <mikomiko_> Yes
[08:04] <cilkay> AlmtyBob: you'd better have excellent backups. That sort of configuration actually reduced MTBF.
[08:04] <intelikey> AlmtyBob it's one way to make files harder to rm
[08:04] <mikomiko_> this is my computer, am new to linux
[08:04] <Managu> benxb: how do you have the computer-xbox connection setup under windows?
[08:04] <cilkay> AlmtyBob: i.e. a filesystem spanning three drives
[08:04] <AlmtyBob> cilkay: LVM causes it to die quicker?
[08:04] <AlmtyBob> or just having 3 drives period?
[08:04] <Managu> benxb: network bridge, or internet connection sharing?  Standard or Crossover cable?
[08:04] <cilkay> AlmtyBob: not lvm, 3 drives
[08:04] <benxb> network bridge using a standard cable
[08:05] <AlmtyBob> mikomiko_: best solution is probably to uninstall and reinstall with apt-get
[08:05] <AlmtyBob> cilkay: why is that?
[08:05] <mikomiko_> hell no
[08:05] <richard> ok - i followed instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[08:05] <mikomiko_> lol
[08:05] <mikomiko_> it took me forever to put it where it is now
[08:05] <cilkay> AlmtyBob: think about it... lose one drive and you're toast
[08:05] <richard> however i cannot access the media folder
[08:05] <AlmtyBob> the other three drives only have movies and such
[08:05] <AlmtyBob> cilkay: it's not RAID or anything
[08:05] <AlmtyBob> cilkay: it's just a drive on /srv1, /srv2, and /srv3
[08:05] <drumline_> it's a JBOD?
[08:05] <AlmtyBob> not even jbod
[08:05] <AlmtyBob> they all have different mount points
[08:06] <cilkay> AlmtyBob: you want one filesystem to span them all?
[08:06] <cilkay> That's what I understood.
[08:06] <SurfnKid> Iinfo hysteresis
[08:06] <intelikey> richard in a terminal do a   grep -ie 'ntfs' /etc/fstab     please.
[08:06] <AlmtyBob> cilkay: err yah KINDA, I don't want them RAIDed, I was just hoping I could somehow get them to all mount in the same place
[08:06] <AlmtyBob> and now that I type that out it makes no goddamned sense
[08:06] <cilkay> no, it doesn't :)
[08:06] <SurfnKid> !hysteresis
[08:06] <ubotu> SurfnKid: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:06] <cilkay> AlmtyBob: actually... there is a way
[08:06] <intelikey> richard and show us what it says.
[08:06] <AlmtyBob> since the machine wouldn't know what drive to write to when I copied smth
[08:06] <SurfnKid> anyone know what that means? hysteresis
[08:07] <AlmtyBob> hysteria?
[08:07] <cilkay> AlmtyBob: you can do an overlay filesystem
[08:07] <AlmtyBob> and btw, NEVER EVER buy an asus a8n5x for a server or a machine with more than 1 hard drive
[08:07] <SurfnKid> AlmtyBob thats what Im getting now :P
[08:07] <kayde> i need help with: kayde@ubuntu:~$ apt-get install gimp-2.2.11.tar.gz
[08:07] <kayde> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied )
[08:07] <kayde> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[08:07] <richard> it doesnt come up with anything
[08:07] <AlmtyBob> kayde: sudo apt-get install...etc
[08:07] <Amaranth> kayde: gimp is already installed
[08:08] <AlmtyBob> or that
[08:08] <richard> is grep on its own line?
[08:08] <cilkay> AlmtyBob: if you just did a conventional mount, the last mounted filesystem is the one you'd see. With an overlay fs, you could see all three.
[08:08] <Madpilot> kayde, you can't apt-get from tar.gz files
[08:08] <intelikey> richard hmmm then something must have went wrong went wrong went wrong.
[08:08] <Managu> benxb: well, I appear to just be muddying the water then.  I don't know anything about bridging under linux -- maybe you can get it to work for you.  I'll suggest using tcpdump to try to see where the packets start (certainly the xbox does a dhcp exchange on startup that you could try to follow).
[08:08] <Madpilot> !info gimp
[08:08] <ubotu> gimp: (The GNU Image Manipulation Program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.2.8-2ubuntu6 (breezy), Packaged size: 2739 kB, Installed size: 7736 kB
[08:08] <Amaranth> kayde: in Applications->Graphics
[08:08] <kayde> Madpilot, umm... how do i then?
[08:08] <intelikey> richard no one line.  one commad
[08:08] <drumline_> kayde: do you have other package installers open?
[08:08] <Madpilot> kayde, GIMP is already installed...
[08:08] <AlmtyBob> cilkay: how does it decide where to write new files? like if they're all mounted to /srv, what happens when I "echo 'blah' > /srv/test"?
[08:08] <drumline_> kayde: such as synaptic or adept?
[08:08] <intelikey> richard " grep -ie 'ntfs' /etc/fstab "
[08:08] <benxb> well thanks for your help anyhow, ill just have to keep tryin :)
[08:09] <kayde> Madpilot, the older version...i need to instaall the new one
[08:09] <cilkay> AlmtyBob: I've only read about it, never did it. Don't know.
[08:09] <Amaranth> drumline_: that's not it, (s)he wasn't using sudo
[08:09] <Amaranth> kayde: what do you need that's only in the new version?
[08:09] <Amaranth> !info gimp dapper
[08:09] <AlmtyBob> thanks cilkay, I'll google
[08:09] <Madpilot> kayde, Dapper has 2.2.11 in it
[08:09] <ubotu> gimp: (The GNU Image Manipulation Program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.2.11-1ubuntu3 (dapper), Packaged size: 2712 kB, Installed size: 7648 kB
[08:09] <drumline_> ahh
[08:09] <kayde> drumline_, err. ? i have synamptic...
[08:09] <drumline_> kayde: cool... it's better than adept.
[08:09] <kayde> Madpilot, dapper is?
[08:09] <cilkay> AlmtyBob: you're welcome.
[08:09] <Madpilot> Amaranth, no, kayde was trying to apt-get a tar.gz file
[08:09] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: (You aware you still have that @ ?)
[08:10] <Madpilot> kayde, next version of Ubuntu, due out June 1st
[08:10] <hyphenated> how stupid would it be to download the -rc ISO today and rsync it on release day?
[08:10] <cilkay> Anyone have a preference of OpenVZ vs. LinuxVserver and why?
[08:10] <richard> /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 ntfs ro,user,fmask=0133,dmask=0022,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[08:10] <drumline_> Has anyone connected to a Sonicwall via VPN on Ubuntu?
[08:10] <kayde> Madpilot, iknow YAY!!!
[08:10] <root> ok, this nvidia driver is a real hassle. all I get is blank screen now, even though I'm only saying 1280x1024 at 60hz. What are my options at this point? All I get is blank screen.
[08:10] <Amaranth> hyphenated: you can upgrade from the rc to the final version
[08:10] <kayde> Madpilot, ive orderd a copy
[08:10] <Amaranth> hyphenated: when synaptic, adept, apt-get, etc
[08:10] <intelikey> richard ok and       " mount | grep -ie 'ntfs' "
[08:10] <Madpilot> kayde, cool. You can upgrade your current Ubuntu install in place, too
[08:11] <hyphenated> Amaranth: sure. I could do that from breezy too
[08:11] <kayde> Madpilot, so, how do i get the new gimp/./..
[08:11] <Amaranth> hyphenated: yeah
[08:11] <Amaranth> kayde: upgrade to dapper
[08:11] <kayde> Madpilot, i dont know what dapper is...
[08:11] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell kayde about upgrade
[08:11] <AlmtyBob> anyone have any experience upgrading MySQL 4 to 5 on ubuntu? I got a mythtv setup I don't want to lose so I'm kinda paranoid
[08:11] <theshibboleth> I'm trying to get everything set to upgrade, but when I follow the instructions for upgradeing to the release candidate I get this error which I have posted at the pastebin - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14822
[08:11] <PyroMithrandir> hey guys, I'm helping someone partition his drive to put windows on it, and I've set up in fdisk for /dev/hda3 to be his fat32 partition, but when he tried to mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hda3 it says that /dev/hda3 doesn't exist. anyone have any idea how to fix this?
[08:11] <Madpilot> kayde, Ubuntu 6.06 is codenamed Dapper; it's the one due out 1st of June...
[08:11] <AlmtyBob> but stupid MySQL 4 is missing a lot of important featuers
[08:12] <drumline_> Pyro: hda3 exists, you've committed the changes with the partition editor?
[08:12] <kayde> Madpilot, yea, but its not the first...and it takes like...2 weeks for the cd to come
[08:12] <PyroMithrandir> yep
[08:12] <drumline_> Pyro: hmm...  is there a graphical partitioner in Ubuntu?
[08:13] <kayde> Madpilot, i need it now, ive downloaded it but i dont know how to install...
[08:13] <Madpilot> kayde, more than two weeks. But you can upgrade an existing Ubuntu install to the newest version
[08:13] <PyroMithrandir> drumline_, I think so, but I've never used one
[08:13] <kayde> Madpilot, over the intrnet?
[08:13] <Managu> PyroMithrandir: this may be ancient lore -- but sometimes you need to reboot after partitioning
[08:13] <richard> bash: mount | grep -ie 'ntfs': command not found
[08:13] <Madpilot> kayde, yes
[08:13] <Madpilot> kayde, see the PM from ubotu
[08:13] <PyroMithrandir> Managu, okay, I'll have him try that
[08:13] <richard> what did i do wrong?
[08:13] <theshibboleth> any ideas about my upgrade problem?
[08:13] <richard> bash: mount | grep -ie 'ntfs': command not found
[08:13] <kayde> Madpilot, yes. but my internets not very good...
[08:14] <kayde> Madpilot, im not downloading anything bigger thaan 20meg
[08:14] <drumline_> reboot after partitioning...    BLOODY MURDER!!
[08:14] <Managu> richard: you're mangling that somehow.  does it say "mount: command not found"?
[08:14] <Madpilot> kayde, that'll be a problem, then.
[08:14] <AlmtyBob> cilkay: could I just mount my drives somewhere else and then make /srv/ nothing more than a bunch of links? and will links like that work with samba?
[08:14] <intelikey> richard   remove the  dubble quotes and try it.
[08:14] <richard> ok how should i put the command in - i will try again
[08:14] <richard> k
[08:14] <kayde> Madpilot, yes
[08:15] <fourat> since apt-get upgrade, i have to 'alsaconf' my soundcard on each reboot to get my soundcard working, how to solve this issue ?
[08:15] <Managu> drumline_: ehh?
[08:15] <kayde> Madpilot, so, is there a way of installing it1?
[08:16] <intelikey> when he quoted it bash took it as one file name....  i.e. mount\ \|\ grep\ -ie\ 'ntfs'    <--- of course that command is not found.
[08:16] <Madpilot> kayde, it probably needs compiling, which is not the simplest procedure
[08:16] <kayde> Madpilot, all i want to do is INSTALL it, this linux is geting annoying :(
[08:16] <kayde> Madpilot, ive 'unzipped" it
[08:16] <cilkay> AlmtyBob: you could use symlinks. Should work with SAMBA but I haven't used SAMBA in a long time. My preferred networking tool between Windows and Linux these days is ssh/scp :) I don't use Windows very much these days.
[08:16] <kayde> Madpilot, decompressed
[08:17] <Managu> kayde: the tar.gz file you have is probably a source file.  And if you're running Ubuntu, that means you'll need to install a build environment first, and go through all the hassle of compiling gimp from source and installing.  BTW, that build environment is about 100mb.
[08:17] <Madpilot> kayde, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware
[08:17] <Managu> kayde: alternately, you can just take the hit and download/install the gimp packages
[08:17] <drumline_> Kayde<
[08:17] <kayde> yea?
[08:17] <drumline_> Kayde: i think you can sign up for free cd-roms to be sent to you
[08:17] <drumline_> Is that still current folks?
[08:17] <richard> with ntfs - opening files read only - can you rename it and save it on another drive in different format?
[08:18] <Managu> richard: yup
[08:18] <drumline_> richard: sure
[08:18] <Madpilot> drumline_, yes, and I think kayde already has
[08:18] <richard> fantastic
[08:18] <kayde> drumline_, ??
[08:18] <Amaranth> it can take up to 4 months
[08:18] <drumline_> Richard: And there's experimental support for writing to the drive, but you risk screwing your FS...  :)
[08:18] <AlmtyBob> sorry for being a n00b, but is it normal to have 6 processes of apache2 running in linux (all with the same arguments "-k start -DSSL")?
[08:18] <drumline_> oh hell no... .
[08:18] <Amaranth> i didn't get my hoary cds until about 2 months before breezy came out
[08:18] <drumline_> Just spend the 2.95 at osdisc
[08:18] <cilkay> AlmtyBob: yes
[08:18] <kayde> WHY CANT IT BE EASY!!!!!!!????? :(!!!!
[08:18] <AlmtyBob> ah ok good 8)
[08:18] <Corey> Hi guys
[08:19] <cilkay> kayde: because you're a MORON
[08:19] <kayde> sON Of A LKJBHJLBH
[08:19] <fourat> found it, should modprobe sound, put it in /etc/modules
[08:19] <Corey> I would like to know how to get all the microsoft fonts on ubuntu
[08:19] <Managu> kayde: it is easy.  It just requires an internet connection.
[08:19] <kayde> linux drivees me nNUTSS
[08:19] <Madpilot> kayde, cool it.
[08:19] <drumline_> kayde: because you need to download a large CD-ROM's worth of data...   it is easy.  You just need the full disk
[08:19] <etement> so far I've had a good expeirience, however anybody care to explain why sound is handled weird?
[08:19] <intelikey> richard did you get it ?
[08:19] <maikol> he
[08:19] <maikol> y
[08:19] <etement> ie can't skype + music at same time
[08:19] <richard> dammit .... I still cant access my drive
[08:19] <richard> NTFS drive
[08:19] <kayde> Stuuff this, im geting an easier operating syst...
[08:19] <Corey> How do you get m$ fonts on ubuntu ?
[08:20] <Corey> Cause the linux fonts are bad :(
[08:20] <Managu> kayde: best of luck.  Better OS in less than 20mb... fun!
[08:20] <intelikey> richard i never did see the output of  mount | grep -ie 'ntfs'
[08:20] <Corey> fire firefox they are bad..
[08:20] <richard> sorry i got kicked a few moments ago
[08:20] <holycow> richard, if its a separate drive, buy a usb cradle and plug it in.  voila.
[08:20] <cilkay> Corey: I saw something about that at http://en.opensuse.org/
[08:20] <drumline_> Kayde: Wait a few days and when 6.06 is released, order a copy to be shipped to you for $2.95 on www.osdisc.com
[08:20] <richard> /dev/hdb1 on /home/richard/Disk2 type ntfs (rw)
[08:20] <Corey> mad thanks ill check it out
[08:20] <richard> /dev/hdb1 on /media/hdb1 type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,fmask=0133,dmask=0022,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[08:20] <jayrod06> why would you pay for one?
[08:20] <Hisakasex> hello
[08:21] <kayde> drumline_, its free from www.shipit.ubuntu.org
[08:21] <maikol> i just finished partitioning my hard drive but it says "Invalid Partition table" when i reboot. is it lost forever? i can still access the files through knoppix though.
[08:21] <AlmtyBob> oh lord, you mounted your ntfs as RW?
[08:21] <Corey> you stinking hobit
[08:21] <tapio_> gcc isn't installed by default?
[08:21] <drumline_> kayde: somebody just said that it could take months going through ubuntu.org
[08:21] <Corey> thats suse not ubuntu
[08:21] <Hisakasex> do you know if the repository is working?
[08:21] <Managu> richard: errm, you have /dev/hdb1 mounted in two different places?  And you can't read either one?
[08:21] <intelikey> richard  " sudo umount /media/hdb1 && sudo mount /media/hdb1 "   <--- without the dubble quotes of course.   that should fix you up.
[08:21] <Madpilot> Corey, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FontInstallHowto
[08:21] <drumline_> Kayde: a few bucks is not much to pay for a nice operating system :)
[08:21] <kayde> drumline_, wAAA
[08:21] <kayde> drumline_, i dont have a paypal ac
[08:21] <Corey> ah i love you madpilot allways help me out ahha :P
[08:22] <drumline_> Kayde: I plan on paying $60 when a boxed version of SuSE arrives.
[08:22] <Hisakasex> Err http://archive.ubuntulinux.org breezy/main zlib1g 1:1.2.3-3ubuntu4
[08:22] <Hisakasex>   Could not connect to archive.ubuntulinux.org:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out
[08:22] <glick> heh their boxing ubuntu in germany
[08:22] <cilkay> Corey: http://en.opensuse.org/Optimal_Use_of_Fonts_on_SuSE  Makes no diff that it's Suse. Adjust recipe to suit.
[08:22] <holycow> drumline_, your paying for suse?
[08:22] <holycow> just out of curiosity, why?
[08:22] <Hisakasex> is the error when I run aptitude
[08:22] <glick> you get a sweet Tshirt and a 300 page manual
[08:22] <drumline_> glick: they should box it in USA too
[08:22] <cilkay> drumline_: they do
[08:22] <drumline_> holycow: because it's a nice OS and there's more enterprise support.
[08:22] <cilkay> Well, in Canada they do.
[08:22] <holycow> lol riiiight
[08:22] <drumline_> holycow: Yast is nice.
[08:22] <glick> drumline_, yeah i think ubuntu is worth at least $250
[08:22] <glick> boxed
[08:23] <Madpilot> Hisakasex, that's not a good repo address, as far as I know
[08:23] <intelikey> lol
[08:23] <drumline_> glick: basically a donation.
[08:23] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell Hisakasex about repos
[08:23] <holycow> drumline_, all cool, i shouldn't make any comments i really did want to hear why
[08:23] <holycow> i want novell to survive too, despite the fact they insist on doing everything wrong imho
[08:23] <Hisakasex> can you give me a good repo address?
[08:23] <drumline_> holycow: :)   I remember seeing something about an enterprise version of Ubuntu, but I never dug to find it.  Do you have any data on it?
[08:24] <drumline_> holycow: what are they doing wrong?
[08:24] <holycow> drumline_, what do you mean 'enterprise'
[08:24] <Hisakasex> can you give me a good repo address?
[08:24] <intelikey> richard ?       (no error means  no error)
[08:24] <holycow> enterprise means shit, its a code word for *pay u$$$)
[08:24] <Madpilot> Hisakasex, see the PM you just got from ubotu
[08:24] <drumline_> holycow: tools to administer many computers easily...
[08:24] <Madpilot> holycow, language, thanks
[08:24] <glick> put a sticker price of only $50 less then the latest version of vista when it ships, put it next to vista on the shelves and only THEN might peole seriously consoder it
[08:24] <maikol> i just finished partitioning my hard drive but it says "Invalid Partition table" when i reboot. is it lost forever? i can still access the files through knoppix though.
[08:24] <cilkay> holycow: No, it means "We're aligning our synergies." :)
[08:24] <drumline_> holycow: Suse has Apparmor...  I don't know if Ubuntu has an equivalent, but that's one reason I chose suse.
[08:24] <holycow> drumline_, well the first thing they did wrong was buying suse for starters.  you can't get much worse than that
[08:25] <glick> the public at large that is
[08:25] <holycow> cilkay, ehe :) yes me too
[08:25] <spikeb> aside from not being able to brand anything consistently, and being unable or unwilling to make industrial work system wide, novell seems to be doing alright
[08:25] <Madpilot> drumline_, there won't be an "Enterprise" version of Ubuntu - see Mark Shuttleworth's wiki page...
[08:25] <SurfnKid> holycow, holycow!
[08:25] <elkalajo> hi
[08:25] <holycow> Madpilot, the s word got through :)
[08:25] <spikeb> buying ximian was probably smart, buying suse was silly
[08:25] <drumline_> madpi: thx
[08:25] <kayde> I take it there is NO easy way to upgrade ginp to gimpshop or gimp 2.2.11?
[08:25] <Hisakasex> thanks
[08:25] <elkalajo> WTF?
[08:25] <holycow> drumline_, tools to administer what? you mean that crappy tool called yast?
[08:25] <richard> how do i know if it worked
[08:25] <shinobi2> anyone have a toshiba lappy? wondering how i can use restoring disc along with paritioning tools.  my lappy is just one partition, can't install linux at this point
[08:25] <holycow> you call that enterprise class?
[08:25] <richard> its not telling me
[08:25] <holycow> hehe :) hoo boy :)
[08:25] <drumline_> holycow: Yast is nice.  I dunno what you're talking about.
[08:25] <kayde> shinobi2, i have a toshiba...
[08:25] <holycow> thats fine, i do :)
[08:26] <Healot> shinobi2: you can resize partition using the Ubuntu installer
[08:26] <drumline_> holycow: if you want to explain yourself, I'd be happy to listen to what you have to say.  :)
[08:26] <glick> i found the ubuntu installer more confusing then it was earlier
[08:26] <spikeb> er, novell's linux has about twenty billion different tools, none of which work very well together yet. that's another issue they have.
[08:26] <Healot> in dapper, glick?
[08:26] <holycow> drumline_, just to point at someting, these conversations quickly get into 'defensive/offensive' mode
[08:26] <glick> Healot, yeah
[08:26] <Madpilot> kayde, the easy way is to wait a little while for 6.06 tob e released. the harder way is to do it yourself.
[08:26] <shinobi2> kayde, does the restoring disc ask you to repartition your drive? i know some lappy's restore-disc will ask. but others restoring-disc do not ask
[08:26] <shinobi2> Healot, great
[08:27] <holycow> drumline_, its not my intent to start stuff, i disagree with your assesment in every way, but i respect the fact that you have decided on something that suits you
[08:27] <glick> the breezy installer seemed to me just more clearer and to the point, even though it was text based
[08:27] <kayde> shinobi2, ive never had a problem...
[08:27] <intelikey> richard    the pointy clicky thingy   is  file manager and navigate there.   the cli way is   ls -l /media/hdb1
[08:27] <mikomiko_> does Linux have feature like in windows where i can restore the computer setting from previous state
[08:27] <holycow> drumline_, well i can explain my self but irc is very 1.5 dimensional, its not really good for any sort of argument.
[08:27] <intelikey> if you own files there then it worked...
[08:27] <rob138> hi, i am trying to ./configure gparted, and it stops at checking for uuid_generate in -luuid... no | configure: error: *** uuid library (libuuid) not found ... but i have libuuid1 installed
[08:27] <glick> mikomiko_, you dont need it in linux
[08:28] <holycow> drumline_, its cool your checking it all out anyway
[08:28] <Managu> holycow,drumline_: ooh, holy war!
[08:28] <glick> mikomiko_, so no, linux does not have restore points
[08:28] <tapio_> I don't really get this apt-get stuff. It doesn't seem to find anything. Does it need further configuration? (Allready did some configuring during the install).
[08:28] <drumline_> holycow: I'm not instigating anything.   I'm merely receiving a lot of "You call that a this?!" and "that crappy that."   seriously...     You can tell me whatever you think about any flavor.  I'm not attached.  :)
[08:28] <holycow> glick,  well thats not exactly true.  linux can have restore points
[08:28] <shinobi2> Healot, i installed ubuntuu once, never recall, it asking me to resize.  i never pay any attension to resizing. since i usually, resize it manually
[08:28] <kayde> whaat i the terminl code for ssearching for and downloading/installing programs?
[08:28] <tonyyarusso> rob138: The real question is why are you compiling gparted?
[08:28] <richard> I still cannot access the folder when navigating via file system -> media - although there is no error message - its just blank
[08:28] <holycow> glick, it depends how you install it and configure whatever you consider restore points
[08:28] <glick> holycow, umm if you set it up to to automatic backup
[08:28] <glick> to a nfs backup server
[08:29] <glick> then sure
[08:29] <Madpilot> kayde, apt-get
[08:29] <holycow> glick, its more true to say that linux doesn't have preinstalled software to generate 'restore poitns'
[08:29] <rob138> tonyyarusso, because for some reason, apt-get can't resolve it
[08:29] <glick> but the key words were "like in windows"
[08:29] <Managu> richard: when you run "sudo mount", are there any entries mentioning /dev/hdb1?
[08:29] <holycow> glick, thats a wrong statement too, key word would mostly be like 'ui works like windows'
[08:29] <holycow> the underlying technology be default will work different no matter how you attempt to do it
[08:29] <mikomiko_> i dont know what i have i done, but when trying to open my firefox, terminal opens real quick then closes right after, no FIREFOX opens
[08:30] <D_dog> any one have a cool blueish wallpaper 1280 x 1024 or larger they wanna send me..im so tired of brown and im lazy too :)
[08:30] <tonyyarusso> rob138: Very weird
[08:30] <holycow> glick, i'd like to actually set something up as a local install that takes images on a regular basis infact :)
[08:30] <richard> I still have hdb1 mounted in two locations
[08:30] <glick> mikomiko_, try opoeing up firefox from the terminal, what kina error messages does it generate
[08:30] <richard> /dev/hdb1 on /home/richard/Disk2 type ntfs (rw)
[08:30] <richard> /dev/hdb1 on /media/hdb1 type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,fmask=0133,dmask=0022,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[08:30] <mikomiko_> oh, it works in terminal
[08:31] <holycow> drumline_, i know you don't give a shit, i was only hoping to explain that i had no intention of starting stuff ... despite the few statements i did put out there in bad taste
[08:31] <richard> /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[08:31] <mikomiko_> it says the following 4 lines
[08:31] <mikomiko_> plugin_get_value 1
[08:31] <mikomiko_> plugin_get_value 2
[08:31] <mikomiko_> *** loading the extensions datasource
[08:31] <mikomiko_> *** loading the extensions datasource
[08:31] <intelikey> ruchard that's it umount the one in your home.
[08:31] <richard> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[08:31] <richard> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[08:31] <richard> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[08:31] <richard> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[08:31] <richard> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[08:31] <richard> tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-k7/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[08:31] <richard> tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10M,mode=0755)
[08:31] <glick> holycow, thats a simple cron job
[08:31] <Madpilot> richard, pastebin next time!
[08:31] <glick> and a 5 line bash script
[08:31] <shinobi2> do bulit-in wireless card on lappy play nice with ubuntu?
[08:31] <holycow> glick, how woul dyou do it?  file system image? dpkg reverse of some sort?
[08:32] <richard> soz
[08:32] <kayde> Madpilot, what is the root loging code?
[08:32] <Managu> shinobi2: 30% chance yes, 70% chance no
[08:32] <Madpilot> kayde, the what?
[08:32] <richard> paste bin ..... whats that
[08:32] <glick> holycow, well where you gonna store the images?
[08:32] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[08:32] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package]
[08:32] <kayde> Madpilot, **root login**
 /dev/hdb1 on /home/richard/Disk2 type ntfs (rw) <---- umount that.     " sudo umount /home/richard/Disk2 "
[08:32] <Madpilot> kayde, use sudo and your own user password in Ubuntu
[08:32] <drumline_> holycow: that's fine man.  Sall good.  :)   I'm very interested in selecting the best linux distro out there and honestly want to know the arguments for, against, and alternatives to the one I'm using.  :)
[08:32] <holycow> glick, well the thought was to have it local, most users don't have automated remote backups
[08:32] <tonyyarusso> shinobi2: Intel Pro/wireless 2915 a/b/g works like a charm.
[08:32] <eydaimon> anyone got compiz workin?
[08:32] <shinobi2> Managu, how about for pcmcia cards (wireless)?
[08:33] <Madpilot> kayde, there is no root login or root pw by default in Ubuntu, and they're not needed
[08:33] <Managu> shinobi2: slightly better odds
[08:33] <holycow> drumline_, there are no argument for or against, they all have the same tools, its all open source
[08:33] <kayde> Madpilot, it just said that i have 2
[08:33] <glick> holycow, just right a write a little shell script that will tar up the directories yo want saved, and put it into your crontab
[08:33] <holycow> drumline_, what really differentiatest distros is the official support you can buy
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> eydaimon: That's a questions for #ubuntu-xgl.
[08:33] <intelikey> richard you sould be able to access /media/hdb1   navigate there.
[08:33] <glick> to run like once every few days, or whenever
[08:33] <holycow> drumline_, thats pretty much it, everything else is semantics in relationship to the administrator
[08:33] <kayde>  Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[08:33] <kayde> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[08:33] <drumline_> holycow: and how much money you pay  :)
[08:34] <Amaranth> kayde: you need to use sudo
[08:34] <kayde> Madpilot, ohh, yea sry there
[08:34] <Healot> kayde: is synaptic open?
[08:34] <kayde> Healot, dose it need to be?
[08:34] <Amaranth> it shouldn't be
[08:34] <drumline_> holycow: have you obliterated MS from your life?
[08:34] <Madpilot> kayde, two what?
[08:34] <Madpilot> kayde, no, it needs to be closed if you're trying to use apt-get
[08:34] <shinobi2> my card is called 'Atheros 801.11b/g wireless-LAN' , Managu , tonyyarusso
[08:34] <holycow> glick, i don't like that at all.  it would be great to have live versioning of some sort.  i'd love to let a person browse their files and restore only the ones they want, not a whole image back
[08:34] <kayde> Madpilot, im soooo lost
[08:35] <Madpilot> kayde, what are you trying to do?
[08:35] <tonyyarusso> shinobi2: I think the Atheros ones usually work well.  Thinking about installing and checking things out ahead of time I take it?
[08:35] <maikol> shinobi2, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards?highlight=%28wireless%29
[08:35] <kayde> Madpilot, update...install packages
[08:35] <holycow> drumline_, many years ago, i manage it for other people but i havent used it in about 3 years now
[08:35] <Healot> kayde: without sudo precedence i guess?
[08:35] <glick> holycow, you can do that too, put it into svn, and use archiver to find files
[08:35] <richard>  sudo umount /home/richard/Disk2
[08:35] <kayde> Healot, ?? what?
[08:35] <richard> did not work
[08:35] <holycow> glick, local svn?
[08:35] <glick> holycow, you could automate all of this if your bash scripting is up to par
[08:35] <kayde> Healot, wth is sudo?
[08:36] <Nyctea> hi all, any one from Belgium here?
[08:36] <kayde> ubotu, tell kayde about sudo
[08:36] <shinobi2> tonyyarusso, yeah.
[08:36] <holycow> glick, you know mostly i was just bullshitting you as i didn't think you actually had a clue ...
[08:36] <shinobi2> maikol, thx
[08:36] <holycow> glick, but that is actually a decent idea :)
[08:36] <Healot> sudo is the thing you need to remember when using most Linux distros :)
[08:36] <Madpilot> kayde, the easiest way to install stuff is Synaptic, not apt-get. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:36] <holycow> glick, not only is it a decent idea, it is actually a ver doable idea
[08:36] <DylanPierce> Okay, I'm about to give up. Everything on Ubuntu is exactly what I need, except one single thing, and that thing is going to force me back to Windows whether I want to or not... so I'll ask here.
[08:36] <holycow> very nice
[08:37] <kayde> Madpilot, ok ty
[08:37] <Managu> DylanPierce: sounds loaded
[08:37] <glick> great to know you were only bullshitting me the entire time
[08:37] <richard>  sudo umount /home/richard/Disk2
[08:37] <richard>  didnt work ??
[08:37] <DylanPierce> I've spent the last four days trying, and I can't seem to get anything related to streaming Internet radio to work.
[08:37] <Managu> richard: "didn't work"?
[08:37] <holycow> :) we are on a noob chan, lots of hot air here, some if mine
[08:37] <holycow> hehe
[08:37] <DylanPierce> Does anyone have any experience with this and could help me out?
[08:37] <P0ldy> DylanPierce, what format?
[08:37] <richard> well i did sudo mount again .... and its still there
[08:38] <DylanPierce> I've got to broadcast to a Shoutcast server.
[08:38] <tonyyarusso> DylanPierce: Got w32codecs and other RestrictedFormats?
[08:38] <Managu> DylanPierce: so, you're trying to broadcast, and not just listen?
[08:38] <Healot> DylanPierce: to stream media files with Linux... you can use "vlc"... i guess the best player for broadcast
[08:38] <DylanPierce> tonyyarusso: I installed a bunch of stuff from the restricted formats page, following some online insturctions.
[08:38] <Healot> yeah, and get those that tonyyarusso told you
[08:39] <glick> heh maybe if i have some time in a coupla weeks, ill work on something along thoe lines
[08:39] <DylanPierce> Managu: yes, broadcast.
[08:39] <tonyyarusso> Good start
[08:39] <troy_s> stream dylan?
[08:39] <intelikey> richard then   sudo umount /home/richard/*
[08:39] <richard> umount: /home/richard/Desktop: not mounted
[08:39] <richard> umount: /home/richard/Disk2: not mounted
[08:40] <DylanPierce> I installed MuSE on a recommendation, and not only did it not work, but whoever writes their documentation is sadistic.
[08:40] <richard> ok
[08:40] <richard> so i guess i need to mount one again
[08:40] <intelikey> richard so    ls -l /media/hdb1
[08:40] <mikomiko_> Is this software working in ubuntu
[08:40] <mikomiko_> http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/download.php
[08:40] <glick> DylanPierce, documentation is like sex, when its great its grand, when its not...hey at least its better then nothing.
[08:40] <intelikey> don't flood just tell me if you see files or not
[08:40] <troy_s> Dylan you still here?
[08:40] <tapio_> lets say I were to install nmap. What should I write?
[08:40] <Managu> richard,intelikey: mounttab messed up maybe?
[08:40] <richard> ls: /media/hdb1: Permission denied
[08:40] <Healot> mikomiko_: it should, if properly compiled and packaged?
[08:40] <intelikey> richard don't flood just tell me if you see files or not
[08:41] <troy_s> Dylan:  Have you tried icecast?
[08:41] <babo> /usr/local/bin vs /usr/bin ... ?  which one should I use to install my program ...
[08:41] <babo> ?
[08:41] <DylanPierce> troy_s Yes, not going anywhere.
[08:41] <intelikey> richard are you uid 1000  ?
[08:41] <richard> whats that
[08:41] <troy_s> Dylan:  What's the exact issue?
[08:41] <mikomiko_> healot, have you used it before?
[08:41] <mikomiko_> it only have 4 steps instruction, dont know if that is enough
[08:41] <richard> no i still cant see files
[08:41] <Managu> tapio: "sudo apt-get install nmap" from a console
[08:42] <richard> the only way i can see them is via drive manager browse
[08:42] <DylanPierce> troy_s The issue is that there don't seem to be any broadcasters that let me do live broadcasts. The ones I've tried don't seem to do anything at all except sit there.
[08:42] <intelikey> richard do this in your irc client where you are talking to me.   /exec -o echo $UID
[08:42] <Managu> babo: /usr/local/bin
[08:42] <cilkay> babo: you mean where should you install your program? If so, is it only going to be used by you? If yes, ~/bin. If no, and it's not part of the distro, in /usr/local - you can usually specify in the configure step where it should be installed.
[08:42] <kayde> Madpilot, got it
[08:42] <Managu> babo: /usr/bin is reserved for distribution-managed binaries
[08:43] <DylanPierce> I always used SAM in Windows, haven't found anything even remotely comparable for Linux.
[08:43] <kayde> Madpilot, thanks man,
[08:43] <Healot> mikomiko_: no however, but i've packaged/compiled a lot of other source programs liek that before
[08:43] <Madpilot> kayde, cool. got what?
[08:43] <holycow> DylanPierce, what does sam do?
[08:43] <babo> ok thanks ... :-)
[08:43] <troy_s> Dylan:  That's quite a common thing.  Stick with the linux, it will work.   The matlab program i have refuse to work on the 2.6 kernel
[08:44] <shinobi2> what are i.LINK ports for?
[08:44] <intelikey> 501
[08:45] <glick> farous, heh octave
[08:45] <Healot> farous: you can... but the system may be broken
[08:45] <shinobi2> 501?
[08:45] <glick> or scilab
[08:45] <Amaranth> shinobi2: i.LINK == Firewire
[08:45] <troy_s> Dylan:  Live should be irrelevant, you simply pipe to mp3 or whatever ogg on the fly and then stream it.
[08:45] <farous> glick: matlab is much more better
[08:45] <DylanPierce> troy_s My problem is that I'm due to go on the air tomorrow, and I've spend the entire weekend trying to make this work and failed. Now, I have no doubt this is due to my own incompetence, but nonetheless, if I can't get on the air, I can't be on Linux.
[08:45] <richard> still no joy
[08:45] <richard> :(
[08:45] <Amaranth> shinobi2: Mostly used for hooking up iPods and getting videos off of DV cameras
[08:45] <troy_s> Dylan:  the unix way is to do singular things well -- don't look for an all in one package, but rather a couple of tools chained together.
[08:45] <glick> farous, yeah i know
[08:45] <farous> Healot: id id not find the image for 2.4 so is it in warty repos
[08:46] <troy_s> dylan:  hard deadline ick.
[08:46] <Managu> tapio_: why doesn't sudo work? What in the world is a zrokstation?
[08:46] <glick> however scilab was written by the french government
[08:46] <glick> it must have some merit
[08:46] <richard> /dev/hdb1 on /media/hdb1 type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,fmask=0133,dmask=0022,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[08:46] <shinobi2> Amaranth, ah.. this lappy does not have biger-firewire port, only i.LINK port
[08:46] <glick> or rather funded by the french government
[08:46] <holycow> DylanPierce, i would help personally but i've not setup anything like that ... i know there are even live cds out there that let you run a streaming server just from that
[08:46] <Healot> farous: yes, it is on the older releases, but installing those 2.4 kernels might break your breezy/dapper releases
[08:46] <richard> but i cant access it still
[08:46] <glick> written at CERN
[08:46] <Managu> tapio_: oh, I see zrokstation is your hostname, nm that question.
[08:46] <Amaranth> shinobi2: yeah, apple does the 6-pin ones that provide power, PC makers use the 4-pin unpowered version
[08:46] <farous> Healot: would not heart to try
[08:47] <DylanPierce> troy_s I believe you! I'm sure that if I had a while to learn everything I needed to know, I'd be fine, but right now, I need to just get broadcasting step by step.
[08:47] <farous> glick i will check scilab
[08:47] <hugomagic> Hi!  Can I do a system restore in windows to start completely fresh after I installed ubuntu, or having ubuntu interferes with the restoration?
[08:47] <babo> ok, so I've unpacked my program (ncftp), moved it into /usr/local/bin/ and then I ran ./configure. It returned without any errors, put yet I still can't run the command ... ncftp
[08:47] <tapio_> Managu: Not sure why sudo won't work, but apt-get is my main concern. Don't like sudo anyways :p
[08:47] <Bob_4_a_day> modem reset.
[08:47] <richard> richard@Appleby:~$ ls -l /media/hdb1
[08:47] <richard> ls: /media/hdb1: Permission denied
[08:47] <DylanPierce> troy_s I don't care if it's only a voice and one music channel, no special effects, nothing, as long as it gets me on the air. I can learn how to do the sparkly stuff later.
[08:47] <Bob_4_a_day> richard.  did you ever show your uid ?
[08:47] <richard> yes
[08:47] <troy_s> http://www.linux.ie/articles/streamingaudio.php
[08:48] <farous> glick: is scilab like maxima for i am using it now
[08:48] <Bob_4_a_day> i missed it   care to repost
[08:48] <Managu> tapio_: Not knowing off hand if nmap is in the main repository -- do you have the universe repository selected?
[08:48] <troy_s> Just use google bro.  I can only imagine that the bulk of live streams use a unix backend, so the info should be available.
[08:48] <Healot> hugomagic: installing ubuntu has no effect on Windows system restore... except you might deleted your Windows partition by mistake :)
[08:48] <babo> anyone ?
[08:48] <Bob_4_a_day> was it 1000  richard ?
[08:48] <Managu> babo: move it back to somewhere in your home directory.  Then run "./configure --prefix=/usr/local; make; sudo make install"
[08:48] <troy_s> I quote "This should hopefully fill you in with a basic idea of whats     required to stream your own online radio station. "
[08:48] <glick> farous, im not sure what maxima is
[08:49] <hugomagic> thanks Healot
[08:49] <glick> farous, check out the homepage scilab.org
[08:49] <richard> did you get that
[08:49] <farous> glick: it is like maple but will check scilab thanx :)
[08:49] <Bob_4_a_day> no
[08:49] <AlmtyBob> how can I get tightvncserver to run at boot?
[08:49] <erik> hey, I'm trying to use ubuntu on my powerbook g4; does anyone know how I can make the trackpad acceleration + 2-finger scroll behavior behave like in OS X?
[08:49] <DylanPierce> troy_s Actually read that article, and many others like it. Nice overviews.
[08:49] <Managu> tapio_: barring that, I'd try a "sudo apt-get update" and then try "sudo apt-get install nmap" again
[08:49] <richard> how do i do it just for you?
[08:49] <Bob_4_a_day> richard /msg
[08:49] <babo> Managu: oops, I figured that make && make install would be in the configure file (don't ask me why) ... anyway thanks
[08:50] <tapio_> Managu: I'll try that. if i use sudo, or just su doesn't really matter, i guess?
[08:50] <babo> I don't really need to move it back to home though do I ?
[08:50] <farous> ok thanx guys :)
[08:50] <Managu> tapio_: so long as you know what you're doing; if you're root, just drop all the "sudo"'s.  It's just a habit from being in #ubuntu so long
[08:51] <Managu> almtybob: system -> preferences -> session
[08:51] <richard> i did it again bob
[08:51] <Managu> almtybob: system -> preferences -> session -> startup programs, even
[08:51] <richard> in private chat
[08:52] <Bob_4_a_day> i aint seen nothing. richard just tell me if it is 1000  or not ?
[08:52] <tapio_> Managu: ok, good to know. Found this howto on Repo...youknow;). I'll try reading that. Thanks for you'r time
[08:52] <AlmtyBob> Managu: will that run when my computer boots or when ubuntu starts?
[08:52] <eydaimon> tonyyarusso: thanks
[08:52] <richard> i dont see 1000 anywhere
[08:52] <AlmtyBob> reason being is it's a headless server so I never log in from the pc, I use ssh to start tightvnc, then tightvnc in.  I'd like to skip the ssh step
[08:53] <Bob_4_a_day> richard then in the terminal   do echo $UID     cause that partition is mounted with uid=1000 and if you are not uid 1000 then that's the problem.
[08:54] <Bob_4_a_day> richard and if that's the problem you will need to edit /etc/fstab   and correct it.
[08:54] <richard> it kicked back 1000
[08:54] <Bob_4_a_day> ok.
[08:54] <DylanPierce> Is there anywhere else I might be able to go on this issue? I'm really at my wit's end as far as fighting with it goes.
[08:54] <Bob_4_a_day> and you can't ls the drive.... hmmm
[08:54] <richard> nope
[08:54] <richard> weirdness
[08:55] <DylanPierce> On Windows, I never had to come to an IRC channel and beg for help. I just installed, and it worked. I don't see how Linux is an advantage over that.
[08:55] <richard> as i said i can access the drive via drive manager browse
[08:55] <Bob_4_a_day> let's see   mount | grep -ie 'ntfs'      one more time please
[08:55] <maikol> when installing ubuntu, during the partitioning section. what does the "bootable flag" affect.
[08:55] <richard> /dev/hdb1 on /media/hdb1 type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,fmask=0133,dmask=0022,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[08:56] <tonyyarusso> DylanPierce: We've had to get Windows help, and trust me, _having_ an irc channel is better than what's available on that end.
[08:56] <Madpilot> maikol, for Linux, I don't think it affects anything
[08:56] <tonyyarusso> DylanPierce: Have you already looked around the wiki, forums, and Google?
[08:56] <DylanPierce> tonyyarusso Globally, I'm sure that's correct. But my problem is specific. And yes, I've spent the last four days looking everywhere. I've installed and uninstalled at least six different programs.
[08:57] <maikol> Madpilot, should i enable it for the windows partition or will a boot loader handle the dual os's
[08:57] <tonyyarusso> DylanPierce: Also, different people are here at different times, so it's often helpful to try back another time or another day, b/c you never know when you'll find someone experienced in a particular area.
[08:57] <Madpilot> maikol, no idea, I've never dualbooted w/ MS
[08:57] <Bob_4_a_day> richard according to that.  you can both read and write to that partition.   but  ls says nosir....   idk.
[08:57] <SurfnKid> back
[08:57] <SurfnKid> !defragmentation
[08:57] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, SurfnKid
[08:57] <FeestBijtje> Dumb lnux question: how do i check for spyware
[08:57] <tonyyarusso> DylanPierce: Okay, have you tried posting on the forums then besides just reading them?
[08:57] <richard> maybe its a user problem
[08:58] <richard> i'll try that ls thing again
[08:58] <holycow> FeestBijtje, you can't really, no one has seen anything that can be defined as spyware on linux ... :/
[08:58] <FeestBijtje> holycow, i know that read the line befor it was to annoy some one
[08:58] <DylanPierce> tonyyarusso No, but only because others have already posted my exact questions in the forums.
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> !spyware
[08:58] <ubotu> tonyyarusso: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:59] <tonyyarusso> :)
[08:59] <Bob_4_a_day> the fmask=0133   i'd set to 333   and the dmask 0022   i'd set to 222  but that should still be accessable.
[08:59] <Healot> the easiest with most relax readonly umask is "umask=0022"
[08:59] <tonyyarusso> DylanPierce: Ah.  Dang.  Well, like I said, I'd try back here a few times before giving up.  Sorry you're having trouble, and good luck.
[08:59] <RancidLM> hey all
[09:00] <DylanPierce> tonyyarusso Thanks for your help... unfortunately, I don't think I'm going to have time to go hunting. Like I said, I have to go on the air tomorrow. If there isn't a product I can install and be there, then I need to go back to what I know.
[09:00] <Bob_4_a_day> but the ro access covers the changes i sujested anyway.
[09:00] <RancidLM> im having problems getting the latest nvidia drivers.. i have the drivers.. iv removed the ubuntu nvidia-glx  and i have compiled and installed the drivers but every time on boot its unable to load X until i re-install the drivers.. can some one give me some advice?  thanks!
[09:01] <tonyyarusso> DylanPierce: Only for tomorrow ;)
[09:01] <glick> DylanPierce, have you checked freshmeat?
[09:01] <Bob_4_a_day> anyone know howto generate a /boot/map  file ?
[09:01] <Healot> make-kpkg package...
[09:01] <WisH[AwaY] > anyone knows from totem plugins? it says i have to install a decoder to handle .pls files so i can listen to an online radio station.and to install the neccessary plugins.
[09:01] <WisH[AwaY] > any ideas
[09:01] <odatsgurl> anyone know what is the webpage to get a sources.list?
[09:02] <Managu> DylanPierce: you say you're happy with this "sam" program for windows.    Yes.  Tell your system to reload them on reboot?  I thought so, but maybe not.
[09:05] <tonyyarusso> !sources
[09:05] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[09:05] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell odatsgurl about easysource
[09:05] <PORDO> Healot ?
[09:06] <odatsgurl> thx a lot
[09:07] <crazy_penguin> morning everybody!
[09:08] <richard> can anyone help me with gaining ro access to NTFS slave drive
[09:09] <Flannel> richard: have you read what ubotu tells you?
[09:09] <richard> url u mean
[09:10] <richard> *goes to read stuff*
[09:10] <PORDO> can someone help me get mp3 support working in rhythmbox?
[09:10] <jrsims> God dammitall! This fracking nvidia driver issue is driving me up the wall
[09:10] <jhenn> it says rythmbox dapper can listen to podcasts.  how can that be if aac is restricted?
[09:10] <noiesmo> ubotu, tell PORDO abour Restricted
[09:10] <jrsims> is there any way to rever to my original install video modes
[09:11] <PORDO> noiesmo i know well about it.  i've been using ubuntu for over a year.
[09:11] <Healot> !lvm
[09:11] <ubotu> I heard lvm is (for the moment) http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
[09:11] <robinl1> how to play flash files with totem?
[09:11] <mentor__> how do you make changes in /proc/acpi and /sys/devices permanent? (between rebooting)
[09:11] <Healot> robinl1: install libflashplayer
[09:12] <noiesmo> PORDO, well then I can do mp3  would you like to know how ooh maybe you know all about it then ok me say nothing
[09:12] <robinl1> E: couldn't find package libflashplayer
[09:12] <Managu> mentor__: you mean, like, you did an "echo blah > /proc/acpi/something_here", and you want it to stay?
[09:13] <Healot> robinl1: go here packages.ubuntu.com >> search for flash... I am not a walking diary
[09:13] <mentor__> Managu: yea!
[09:13] <PORDO> noiesmo i can do mp3 in xmms, but not in rhythmbox.
[09:13] <PORDO> and i could swear it was working fine just a few days ago.
[09:13] <Managu> mentor__: add the echo line to /etc/rc.local
[09:13] <Healot> mentor__: do a simple script that run on boot?
[09:14] <mentor__> will that run after all the startup stuff?
[09:14] <Managu> mentor__: yes, after
[09:14] <PORDO> mp3 support for gstreamer..anyone?
[09:15] <Healot> PORDO: the worst you can do is isntall ALL gstreamer plugins that you can find ?
[09:15] <robinl1> Healot: doesn't work.. i mean the packages dont do anything
[09:15] <Managu> PORDO:  I thought the ffmpeg plugins for gstreamer did mp3
[09:15] <PORDO> i thought gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly did it.
[09:15] <maikol> i should install the linux-386 kernel, not the -image 's, right?
[09:15] <mentor__> Managu: thankx. Will place it there. Was a fix to cure thermal throttling problem. Startup happens with the CPU throttled back to 20% since moving to Dapper RC :\
[09:16] <Healot> robinl1: listen to my worst piece of advise, IT WILL WORK
[09:16] <Managu> mentor__: ouch.  Need a new heatsync?
[09:16] <PORDO> hrm...gonna reboot for the hell of it.
[09:16] <Managu> pordo: dapper or breezy?
[09:16] <robinl1> Healot: But it doesn't. Installed libflash, no results.
[09:16] <PORDO> dapper
[09:16] <robinl1> Healot: with the swfplayer nothing shows up. only text
[09:17] <mentor__> Managu: thermal zone trip points are all set below 16C by default. Can't figure out where it gets those values, looked for ages on the kernel mailing lists - can't find a thing
[09:17] <Healot> robinl1: wtf you are talking about?
[09:17] <glick> hey what are some of the more popular email clients in that you all prefer to use?
[09:17] <Managu> pordo: tsk, tsk.  !dapper and all.  I think you should try gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, though
[09:17] <robinl1> Healot: About what i asked?
[09:17] <Healot> packages.ubuntu.com >> search for "Flash"
[09:17] <robinl1> Yes and i did.
[09:17] <maikol> i should install the linux-386 kernel, not the linux-image-386 or linux-image-2.6.12-9-386 's, right?
[09:17] <robinl1> Still can't play files with totem, installed the packages.
[09:18] <robinl1> flash files*
[09:18] <Healot> do you know what you are suppose to look for?
[09:18] <robinl1> Yes
[09:18] <Healot> libflash-swfplayer
[09:18] <robinl1> Yes
[09:18] <robinl1> i know
[09:18] <robinl1> installed it
[09:18] <robinl1> ran the flash
[09:18] <kettenschutz> hey there
[09:18] <robinl1> got only text, no window or graphic stuff or anything
[09:18] <Healot>  libflash0c2 and this too...
[09:18] <kettenschutz> someone could explain how to create service menus?!
[09:19] <robinl1> Healot: Like i said, i installed it all
[09:19] <peter_> yo
[09:19] <kettenschutz> i wanted to create a servicemenu for BCHUNK and mount an iso file
[09:19] <Healot> robinl1: you know what, idc
[09:19] <robinl1> "idc"?
[09:19] <peter_> i dont care
[09:20] <robinl1> Healot: You lazy ***
[09:20] <Healot> sometimes i get mad/angry... be patience
[09:20] <KillerKiwi2006> I keep getting "checking for GNOME... configure: error: unable to find the GNOME libraries" anybody now which package i need?
[09:20] <Managu> pordo: tsk, tsk.  !dapper and all.  I think you should try gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, though
[09:20] <robinl1> Yes, i see.
[09:20] <Agrajag> KillerKiwi2006: gnome-dev ?
[09:20] <KillerKiwi2006> Agrajag: I have that....
[09:21] <Agrajag> er, libgnome-dev
[09:21] <Madpilot> robinl1 & Healot: cool it, OK?
[09:21] <peter_> everyone looking forward to dapper?
[09:21] <Healot> crankiness kicks in sometimes, heh
[09:21] <Agrajag> I'm looking at it right now
[09:21] <kettenschutz> nobody ?!
[09:21] <KillerKiwi2006> Agrajag: yeah thats the one i have
[09:21] <Managu> kettenschutz: what is BCHUNK?
[09:21] <Agrajag> hm, gnome-devel is listed too
[09:22] <kettenschutz> BCHUNK is a programm to convert imagefiles to iso files
[09:22] <Schalken> i know this is kinda of
[09:23] <sobersabre> so.. are we all dapper now ?
[09:23] <Managu> kettenschutz: What you're asking will likely require some programming.  Or at least some scripting.
[09:23] <KillerKiwi2006> gnome-devel looks like tools blufish etc
[09:23] <Agrajag> oh
[09:23] <Agrajag> well no clue then
[09:23] <kettenschutz> mhh i think gamescripting and a littl delphi experience wont reach for this eh?
[09:23] <sobersabre> kettenschutz: what were you asking .. can you repeat ?
[09:24] <kettenschutz> sure sobersabre: someone could explain how to create service menus?!
[09:24] <kettenschutz> i wanted to create a servicemenu for BCHUNK and mount an iso file
[09:24] <sobersabre> 'service menus' are... what ?
[09:24] <KillerKiwi2006> hmm maybe gnome-core-devel
[09:24] <kettenschutz> u arent a KDE user sobersabre ?!
[09:24] <Flannel> kettenschutz: #kubuntu ;) for KDE users/etc.
[09:25] <kettenschutz> mh, thanx @ Flannel
[09:25] <sobersabre> kettenschutz: even though i have used kde... i don't know
[09:25] <Schalken> Ii know this is kinda off topic from UIbuntu, but does anyone know whether IPX and TCP/IP can be used simultaneously over a LAN?
[09:25] <sobersabre> IPX is something over IP.
[09:25] <Schalken> it is?
[09:25] <sobersabre> it is not a completely separate protocol
[09:25] <Schalken> oh okay!
[09:25] <peter_> no it is not
[09:25] <peter_> it is completely seperate
[09:25] <crabgrass> ipx is different
[09:25] <sobersabre> hmm...?
[09:26] <sobersabre> sorry :(
[09:26] <peter_> used to be used be novell
[09:26] <kettenschutz> sobersabre, service menus are the menus @ your kontextmenus by rightclicking a file or somethin' like that
[09:26] <Schalken> It is separate or it isn't?
[09:26] <crabgrass> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPX
[09:26] <Managu> Schalken: they shouldn't interfere or anything; ethernet can carry either
[09:26] <Agrajag> KillerKiwi2006: libgnome2-dev?
[09:26] <sobersabre> thought its an extension...
[09:26] <peter_> ipx/spx, a name for a seperate stack, as oposed to tcp/ip
[09:26] <Schalken> Cool, thanks!
[09:26] <Healot> Schalken: ubuntu stock linux doesn't have IPX/SPX driver... think, recompilation required
[09:26] <peter_> ipx at layer 3
[09:26] <peter_> spx at layer 4
[09:26] <sobersabre> Schalken: sorry
[09:27] <Flannel> kettenschutz: you might have better luck asking in a KDE specific channel.  If they don't know in #kubuntu
[09:27] <sobersabre> kettenschutz: you should ask kde developers.
[09:28] <kettenschutz> woah, where to find a developer ?!
[09:28] <crabgrass> #kde
[09:28] <Managu> mmm, pass the buck!
[09:28] <Flannel> Managu: no, just "asking in appropriate places"
[09:29] <jrsims> what's the usual location of my kernel source tree?
[09:29] <Managu> Flannel: no argument.  same thing ;-)
[09:29] <tapio_> The special characters in my country does only partly work. Does not work in terminals, but do work in browsers, etc. How do i fix that?
[09:29] <Agrajag> jrsims: somewhere under /usr/src, assuming you installed the source
[09:30] <KillerKiwi2006> well that got it....
[09:30] <Agrajag> KillerKiwi2006: oh good
[09:30] <KillerKiwi2006> gnome-core-devel
[09:31] <kettenschutz> thx @ crabgrass i'll be asking there
[09:31] <KillerKiwi2006> now i can compile mail-checker 3, gmail is spitting the dummy with 2 again
[09:31] <Schalken> How come when I share a folder over a windows share and I try to access it from my windows computer it says I need a password?
[09:32] <jrsims> how do I stop x from a terminal?
[09:32] <shriphani> guys why do i get this error while running configure
[09:32] <shriphani> i mean for amule installation from source
[09:32] <peter_> ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:32] <Managu> Schalken: there's probably a security concern involved.  I haven't quite figured that out myself
[09:33] <scapor> jrsims: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:33] <shriphani> can someone tell me if they have had problems compiling amule from source too
[09:33] <Agrajag> jrsims: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:33] <richard> YAY!
[09:33] <richard> Figured it out
[09:33] <richard> Thankyou for your help
[09:34] <Schalken> Managu: is there somehwere where I can configure Ubuntu's SMB connection to make sure it isnt password protected?
[09:34] <shriphani> hello ???
[09:34] <shriphani> anyone
[09:34] <peter_> hey can anyone hear this?
[09:34] <Blackhold> hello
[09:34] <Blackhold> I'm trying the dapper
[09:34] <Schalken> hi
[09:34] <james14> Yes I can hear you
[09:34] <peter_> sweet thx
[09:34] <Agrajag> Schalken: you can set up shares yourself in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:34] <Flannel> Blackhold: #ubuntu+1 for dapper questions/support.  Until the 1st anyway.
[09:34] <Blackhold> and I need to know what software uses dapper to make work the wireless
[09:34] <peter_> never used xchat before, i like it
[09:34] <shriphani> i need to know if anyone has problems compiling amule from source
[09:35] <richard> yeah xchat is nice
[09:35] <Schalken> Agrajag: thanks ill have a poke around in there
[09:35] <Agrajag> Schalken: I don't know how to make an unpassworded, writeable share though
[09:35] <Schalken> Agrajag: be nice if i could atleast know what the password was
[09:35] <Agrajag> it's not your own user/pass?
[09:35] <Flannel> Schalken: I imagine it's your user's password.
[09:35] <Schalken> Flannel: yeah i tried that, no go
[09:35] <shriphani> Agrajag, do you have problems compiling amule from source ?
[09:36] <Agrajag> what is amule?
[09:36] <shriphani> a p2p client for linux
[09:36] <peter_> not sure bout amule, i had success with limewire if that helps
[09:36] <Flannel> shriphani: most people don't compile amule from source, and as such, have no experience doing so.  Or at least, no one on at the moment.
[09:36] <Agrajag> Schalken: have you tried setting your password with smbpasswd?
[09:37] <shriphani> Flannel, why did the xemacs guys make installing xemacs such a big issue ?
[09:37] <Flannel> shriphani: there a reason you're compiling?
[09:37] <Schalken> Agrajag: nope, is that just a command line tool?
[09:37] <shriphani> Flannel, i am new to linux so thought it would be good to try my hand out at this
[09:37] <Agrajag> Schalken: yeah
[09:37] <megalomania> ewf
[09:37] <Managu> Schalken: yeah, in /"etc/samba/smb.conf".  I don't know what the security consequences of this are, but adding "security = share" to that file did the trick for me
[09:37] <shriphani> i mean i did ./configure and got an error
[09:37] <Flannel> shriphani: why are you compiling that (xemacs) as well?
[09:38] <Flannel> shriphani: which error?
[09:38] <shriphani> yes
[09:38] <peter_> yeh i used security=share aswell but thats not recommended security
[09:38] <shriphani> configure: error: unable to use zlib - no peer found
[09:38] <Flannel> shriphani: why are you trying to compile all these things?
[09:39] <shriphani> Flannel, to learn
[09:39] <peter_> guest ok = yes?
[09:39] <Schalken> Agrajag: smbpasswd asks for my 'old' smb password, you know, the one I dont know
[09:39] <osfameron> morning
[09:39] <Healot> shriphani: i heard Indians are good programmers, eh?
[09:39] <osfameron> is there an equivalent to Quicksilver/Katapult for Gnome ?
[09:39] <shriphani> i am 15
[09:39] <shriphani> and i learn python
[09:39] <osfameron> or does Katapult work OK on gnome (after installing a metric bucketload of KDE stuff I imagine)
[09:40] <Agrajag> Schalken: run it as root
[09:40] <Agrajag> smbpasswd <username>
[09:40] <shriphani> i mean so far not one package has worked out for me
[09:40] <Agrajag> it should just let you change it
[09:40] <Flannel> Schalken: did you follow the howto?
[09:40] <Flannel> Schalken: it goes over this.  config files, and the like.
[09:40] <Schalken> theres a howto?
[09:40] <Flannel> !tell Schalken about samba
[09:40] <Flannel> the wiki page
[09:41] <crazy_penguin> !tell crazy_penguin about samba
[09:41] <shriphani> the bot may be down
[09:41] <shriphani> 1
[09:41] <Schalken> Flannel: thnx
[09:41] <shriphani> !
[09:41] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, shriphani
[09:41] <shriphani> yeh it isnt down
[09:41] <b0ef> ehlo
[09:41] <b0ef> any way to do a network install using floppies?. I was thinking in the same fashion as a debian floppy install. I would need ubuntu to fetch packages from some ubuntu site as I can't host the iso myself
[09:41] <Agrajag> shriphani: you wouldn't see messages from the bot to those people anywqay
[09:41] <tapio_> I'm having some trouble with the norweigan special characters and the terminals. (only the terminals, not browsers, etc) Could anyone point me in the right directino, please?
[09:41] <shriphani> oh
[09:42] <jrsims> shit. how do I uninstall nvidia-glx packages if all I have is a command line?
[09:42] <Malloc42> jrsims: dpkg -r
[09:42] <shriphani> can anyone tell name a few packages i can compile from source for my knowledge
[09:42] <jrsims> great
[09:42] <Flannel> jrsims: apt-get remove [whatever]
[09:42] <shriphani> because even though i know the process it never works!!!
[09:43] <teenboyfeet> hey folks. i set up my xorg.conf settings to run two X desktops, one on my CRT and one on my TV, according to the instructions on the ubuntu wiki page "nvidiatvout". this was fine when i was running in GNOME. but since ive switched to KDE, i can run the two desktops fine but the mouse will not move from my first monitor to the second. any ideas? thanks
[09:43] <b0ef> shriphani: lftp is a nice and clean package, f.ex
[09:43] <Flannel> shriphani: did you get build-essentials?
[09:43] <shriphani> yes
[09:43] <shriphani> i got them just today
[09:43] <Healot> shriphani, the kernel source, vlc, libdvdcss2 even the latest supertux
[09:43] <crazy_penguin> DBO: hi!
[09:43] <Flannel> teenboyfeet: if no one in here can answer, you might try asking in #kubuntu, which is KDE/etc specific, they might know.
[09:44] <DBO> crazy_penguin, hi =)
[09:44] <teenboyfeet> ok thanks
[09:44] <shriphani> i mean every compilation from source asks for something i dont have
[09:44] <shriphani> and this drives me mad
[09:44] <crazy_penguin> DBO: may i ask you some advice on pm?
[09:44] <b0ef> shriphani: then grab what you don't have;)
[09:45] <shriphani> apt-get doesnt give those things
[09:45] <shriphani> i mean glib
[09:45] <shriphani> and the like
[09:45] <Healot> 15 and no patience at all
[09:45] <shriphani> yes
[09:45] <shriphani> i mean for starters i need to get some success
[09:45] <Flannel> shriphani: yes, apt-get build-dep
[09:45] <shriphani> ok
[09:45] <DBO> crazy_penguin, yes
[09:46] <crazy_penguin> ok thx
[09:47] <DJ_Danni> Need Serois HEL NOW
[09:47] <DJ_Danni> HHHEELLPP
[09:47] <Healot> shriphani: mmmkay, let's make thing easier for us and yourself
[09:47] <shriphani> ok
[09:47] <DJ_Danni> I need help
[09:47] <zcat[1] > <McNutella> can someone tell me why on earth I am banned from #ubuntu please ?
[09:48] <Flannel> DJ_Danni: until you ask a question, we can't help you.
[09:48] <Healot> can you save the output of make or ./config for us, shriphani?
[09:48] <shriphani> pastebin.com ?
[09:48] <Healot> we can figure out what you need for the compilation
[09:48] <Healot> sure, pastebin
[09:48] <Managu> tapio_: keyboard set up properly for X?  I have no experience with any keyboards other than US 10x key, but that might be a place to start
[09:49] <tapio_> Managu: Ok, whats strange is that the characters work fine in anything other than the terminals, but worth to check it out i guess
[09:50] <zcat[1] > no-one knows?
[09:50] <DJ_Danni> I was Updating my Ubuntu and now i get Kernel Panic - Not Syncing : VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unlnow-bloc(0,0) Whats Wrong :'(
[09:50] <shriphani> http://pastebin.com/744316
[09:50] <Flannel> DJ_Danni: this is dapper?
[09:50] <thenetduck> does anyone know how i can print off of my Linux machine if my printer is connected to my windows machine and my windows and linux machine are networked together????
[09:51] <maikol> cups
[09:51] <zcat[1] > configure a printer, networked, SMB, point to your windows machine..
[09:51] <DJ__Danni> Whats Wrong?
[09:52] <MuLLeR> hello .... can someone help me with traffic prioritization?
[09:52] <zcat[1] > DJ__Danni: can you still boot by selecting the previous kernel in grub ?
[09:52] <maikol> should i add another source to apt other than the one configured to it during the instal
[09:52] <thenetduck> where can i configure a printer?
[09:52] <Healot> shriphani: kay, surf packages.ubuntu.com ... type zlib in the package search text, hit search, and check out those *dev* packages... then isntall it using your favorite installer, synaptic or apt-get
[09:52] <DJ__Danni> She wold noat ewen Start up
[09:53] <HymnToLife> maikol> depends what you need to installbut mot likely you will
[09:53] <zcat[1] > if you get to a kernel panic you're way past GRUB...
[09:53] <kmilitzer> Morning everyone ...
[09:53] <maikol> HymnToLife, can i add more once the installation is complete
[09:53] <DJ__Danni> How can i fix that?
[09:53] <Healot> "checking for zlib >= 1.1.4... no", it shows that you have isntall the zlib development files
[09:54] <HymnToLife> maikol> of course
[09:54] <HymnToLife> !apt
[09:54] <ubotu> well, apt is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[09:54] <DJ__Danni> How can i fix that?
[09:54] <maikol> HymnToLife, sweet thanks
[09:54] <xgllo> .nzb files crash when being opened in klibido or nzb any ideas?
[09:54] <zcat[1] > at the grub menu it should say 'press esc for more options' or list all the installed kernels.. pick an older one?
[09:54] <xgllo> .nzb files crash when being opened in klibido or nzb gnome resets and loads back at login window.
[09:55] <DJ__Danni> Can you tell me what to do??????
[09:55] <shriphani> ok thanks found it
[09:55] <shriphani> and yeah is upgrading ubuntu a pain in the ass
[09:55] <DJ__Danni> Wuy?
[09:55] <shriphani> just asking
[09:56] <DJ__Danni> She give me a Error
[09:56] <DJ__Danni> Canoat start her:S
[09:56] <shriphani> she ?
[09:56] <shriphani> who is she
[09:56] <Corey> Hey brothers does anyone know when macromedia plan to release flash player 9 for linux ?
[09:56] <xgllo> 8.5
[09:56] <Corey> No 9.
[09:56] <visik7> Corey: not in their blog
[09:57] <zcat[1] > Corey: sometime before Duke Nukem Forever is out, and possibly after Vista is launched..
[09:57] <crazy_penguin> shriphani: not it is not a pain in the ass. imho it's one of the best upgrade systems that i saw until today
[09:57] <shriphani> ok
[09:57] <Corey> They said they are making flash player 9 for linux aswell.
[09:57] <shriphani> how do you upgrade it
[09:57] <Healot> his girlfriend (his PC), shriphani
[09:57] <shriphani> because i saw no option during the breezy install
[09:57] <DJ__Danni> I get this messages :: Kernel panic - not  somthang:S
[09:57] <DJ__Danni> Whats WRONG?
[09:58] <kmilitzer> I've got a stupid question. Is there a file somehwere to find out which version of ubuntu is running, like /etc/debian_release shows the debian version?
[09:58] <Corey> I have to use wine firefox with flash 8 plugin which is partly annoying to view flash 8+ movies.
[09:58] <zcat[1] > My kids use the windows mozilla under wine so they can run the latest flash and shockwave games..
[09:58] <Healot> DJ__Danni: reboot and select the previous kernel that you used before?
[09:58] <DJ__Danni> How?
[09:58] <shriphani> Healot, can you tell me small packages that i can use to improve tarball experience ?
[09:58] <zcat[1] > works for me..
[09:58] <DJ__Danni> I am Rboting
[09:58] <peter_> buy them an xbox360 lol
[09:58] <maikol> any preferences as to the grub or lilo boot loaders?
[09:58] <xgllo> my computer reboots when I close windows randomly now
[09:58] <Corey> Has anyone installed flash 8 using wine ?
[09:58] <visik7> Corey: you can't
[09:59] <Corey> or has it had results like installing dreamweaver 8
[09:59] <Healot> small packages? shriphani: don't get you
[09:59] <visik7> or can?
[09:59] <zcat[1] > Corey:  yes. It's pretty easy.
[09:59] <DJ__Danni> Shut i let her boot from CD?
[09:59] <shriphani> i mean tarballs that are small in size
[09:59] <xgllo> its on fire now...
[09:59] <Corey> I copied all my dreamweaver files over but it says when i start it up that i need to re-install unfortunetly.
[09:59] <DJ__Danni> ?
[10:00] <AlmtyBob> has anyone installed "nuvexport" for mythtv? Is there anything special I need to do?  I did make install and it appeared to install correctly but it won't run now, it errors out
[10:00] <Healot> shriphani: you can make your own... tar cvf <tarball filename> <directory to tar>
[10:00] <kmilitzer> So is there a way to tell the vesion of the running ubuntu?
[10:00] <DJ__Danni> Hey Answare me
[10:00] <shriphani> i mean to insall
[10:00] <shriphani> install ^
[10:00] <Healot> compile+install eh? shriphani?
[10:00] <crimsun> kmilitzer: lsb_release -r
[10:01] <shriphani> yes Healot
[10:01] <zcat[1] > DJ__Danni: just after you turn her on, do you see the message "Loading GRUB.." before it crashes?
[10:01] <kmilitzer> crimsun: Cool, thanks
[10:01] <Allz-i-> Does someone knowz -Howto change the keyboard
[10:01] <Allz-i-> ?
[10:01] <peter_> unplug it, plug in the new one
[10:02] <Corey> guys how do i make the fonts in mozilla firefox not fuzzy ?
[10:02] <Allz-i-> peter?
[10:02] <zcat[1] > Corey: firefox under wine?
[10:02] <Corey> no normal firefox
[10:02] <zcat[1] > they're fuzzy?
[10:02] <Corey> I had to make the text bigger
[10:02] <Corey> Yeah they are a bit blurry when to small
[10:02] <kholerabbi> Hello, I have several files with extension .shs (these are documents created with Microsoft Office, when text is dragged to the desktop from an open file.). Openoffice doesn't seem to open them, dose anyone know any way I might be able to?
[10:02] <zcat[1] > they should be just like every other font
[10:02] <DJ__Danni> Yeas soat that'
[10:02] <Corey> In windows you can have them small without the blurryness
[10:03] <peter_> Corey, follow the ubuntuguide webpage for adding new fonts, ur firefox fonts will be immediately clearer
[10:03] <Healot> try "libdvdcss2" from http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/ >> no extra packages needed
[10:03] <Corey> I've got all m$ fonts on firefox
[10:03] <Corey> guys be right back the toilet is calling me
[10:03] <DJ__Danni> After that in to next step and no mor
[10:03] <zcat[1] > DJ__Danni: just after that it will give you a list of boot options... press the down arrow twice to pick the older kernel, then press enter.
[10:04] <DJ__Danni> ok
[10:04] <AlmtyBob> is there a "make UNinstall"?
[10:04] <tapio_> Any norweigan people here who have any solution to the odd behaviour of the terminals when using one of the special character?(AE OO AA)
[10:04] <AlmtyBob> to completely remove a program
[10:04] <Healot> yes... depends on packages... AlmtyBob
[10:04] <Healot> usually make clean
[10:04] <zcat[1] > AlmtyBob: that depends on the Makefile.. most packages include the option
[10:04] <zcat[1] > make clean != make uninstall
[10:04] <khermans_> Is this channel for Dapper support now?
[10:05] <khermans_> and dapper+1 for eft?
[10:05] <AlmtyBob> what's make clean?
[10:05] <crimsun> khermans_: not until post-1 june
[10:05] <zcat[1] > day after tomorrow I think
[10:05] <zcat[1] > depends on your timezone of course
[10:05] <Flannel> khermans_: #ubuntu+1 for dapper, at the moment, no channels for edgy yet.
[10:05] <AlmtyBob> "no rule to make target 'clean'. Stop.
[10:05] <khermans_> I'm moving very fast relative to you, so it is already June 1st
[10:06] <zcat[1] > Hehe.. I get to ask dapper questions in here before anyone else NZST is GMT+12
[10:06] <Healot> like 3 more days for dapper stable release
[10:06] <crimsun> khermans_: we work according to UTC, sorry bud. :-)
[10:06] <Corey> Hey guys how can i play files that have xvid codecs ?
[10:06] <Flannel> I think we workd according to dapper being released, rather than a specific time ;)
[10:06] <shriphani> Healot, got any packages ?
[10:06] <Schalken> okay I'm giving up on SAMBA
[10:06] <Healot> try "libdvdcss2" from http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/ >> no extra packages needed
[10:07] <Corey> How do you install XGL ?
[10:07] <Healot> your first experiment, shriphani... compile and package it at the same time...
[10:07] <peter_> Schalken, why? SAMBA rocks, plenty of major networks use it
[10:07] <DJ__Danni> ok i ge 5 Choses what shut i Chose?
[10:07] <shriphani> i did those create tars and decompress tars
[10:07] <khermans_> Corey, use the wiki
[10:07] <shriphani> i want to install now
[10:07] <Corey> wiki ?
[10:07] <DJ__Danni> 10 9 or 86+?
[10:07] <Healot> !xgl
[10:07] <ubotu> [xgl]  "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[10:07] <Schalken> peter_: cannot get it workin in Ubuntu
[10:08] <Corey> thanks :D
[10:08] <peter_> Schalken, I got it working fine on many installs, what problem are u having
[10:08] <Corey> is it easy to uninstall XGL ?
[10:09] <Schalken> peter_: when I try to access a shared folder on a windows computer, it says I need a password
[10:09] <Flannel> Corey: Not on breezy.  On dapper, yeah. super easy.
[10:09] <james14> msg nickserv set email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:09] <DJ__Danni> Thang you Pebole you Save my Radio And TV Servers
[10:09] <Corey> yeah im on dapper :D
[10:09] <peter_> Schalken, have you read a good text on it? The options are wide rangin, and the concepts not easily understood if u dont understand windows networking
[10:10] <Flannel> Corey: #ubuntu+1 then ;) or #ubuntu-xgl for xgl support/etc
[10:10] <peter_> Schalken, short answer - security=share, guest ok = yes
[10:10] <Schalken> peter_: why cant it just be as easy as doing it on windows?
[10:10] <tgd> hai
[10:10] <Hit3k> So. My wireless connection activates but it isnt connecting to the router I'm putting the right key in as well
[10:10] <tgd> no
[10:10] <Corey> uh guys terminal is not starting up ?
[10:10] <DJ__Danni> Hey this is the best aboat Linux you can always be save from Tabloe and thangs to you Pebole here
[10:11] <peter_> Schalken, If you think windows networking is easy, you are not understandin the intricacies. But that's a silly question. It works how it works, read up and do it. SAMBA would be easy if youd been doing it for 10 years
[10:12] <Corey> how can I check if I have dapper running ?
[10:12] <DJ__Danni> I thang its noat Save for me to Update
[10:12] <shriphani> Healot, got any pavkages for me to install
[10:13] <Schalken> peter_: someone should make a frontend for the smb.conf file
[10:13] <emile> Corey: system, about ubuntu
[10:13] <peter_> Schalken, cool, when are you going to start?
[10:13] <zcat[1] > Schalken: there are several already
[10:14] <Schalken> peter_: lol
[10:14] <peter_> Schalken, try webmin
[10:14] <zcat[1] > dapper you can right-click and share like windows..
[10:14] <peter_> but it really isnt rocket science
[10:14] <Schalken> peter_: is that in the repos?
[10:14] <Coag> Schalken: try SWAT
[10:14] <peter_> yes i think so
[10:14] <peter_> yes try swat
[10:15] <khermans_> Hey, I keep trying to update the wiki with 's/apt-get/aptitude/g' , but people always put it back -- why are we not using aptitude over apt-get ???
[10:15] <zcat[1] > wait three days and try dapper :)
[10:15] <crimsun> khermans_: Please do /not/ do that.
[10:15] <khermans_> crimsun, actually someone told me to update it to aptitude if I saw wikis mentioning apt-get
[10:16] <khermans_> my bad
[10:16] <DJ__Danni> hey zcat[1]  its all ok now. Thang you. You Save my Radio And TV Server's
[10:16] <gleesond> the audio is broken in any new accounts I create, has anyone come accross this?
[10:16] <crimsun> khermans_: the doc team is already extremely frustrated. In the future instances of $apt will be removed, and the instructions will just say to "install foo" without mention of $apt directly.
[10:16] <khermans_> crimsun, can you give a specific reason why aptitude is not being used anyways?
[10:17] <crimsun> khermans_: there's no specific reason any of them are used
[10:17] <khermans_> crimsun, im trying to remember who told me to update the wikis, but i'd have to check the irc logs
[10:17] <zcat[1] > I always try to use/suggest synaptic .. windows migrants FEAR the command line...
[10:18] <khermans_> zcat[1] , true -- i am a cli guy myself
[10:18] <njan> zcat[1] , don't be unfair, not all of them :P
[10:18] <khermans_> but my little brother has been using Ubuntu since he was 8, and now he likes the cli too
[10:19] <Schalken> Coag, peter_: okay I got SWAT, i dont see it in the apps menu, can i just type swat in the terminal?
[10:19] <Coag> it's a web interface
[10:20] <Coag> I'm not rememebering what port it's on
[10:20] <dts> How would I record a video of what I'm doing on my X screen?
[10:20] <zcat[1] > 901 ?
[10:20] <Schalken> Coarg: o....kay....then....
[10:20] <zcat[1] > localhost:901 iirc...
[10:20] <Coag> try going to localhost:901 in your browser
[10:21] <maikol> yey, booting to ubuntu
[10:21] <Schalken> Coag: no go
[10:21] <Coag> not sure then Schalken
[10:21] <Managu> gleesond: not an answer, but something to persue:  Your primary user is, by default, part of the "audio" group.  Did you add the new accounts to that group?
[10:21] <Coag> is the service running?
[10:22] <Schalken> Coag: theres a service that needs to be run?
[10:22] <Coag> I'm guessing
[10:22] <Coag> I'm pulling stuff out of my ass that sounds right right now
[10:22] <Schalken> Coag: lol
[10:22] <gleesond> Managu: no
[10:23] <gleesond> Managu: how do I do that
[10:23] <gleesond> ?
[10:23] <Schalken> Coag: guessing is no good.
[10:23] <zcat[1] > dpsyco-samba - Automate administration of access to samba
[10:23] <zcat[1] > might be a better tool..
[10:23] <zcat[1] > assuming it's not exclusive to dapper :)
[10:23] <Schalken> Coag: i just wanna be able to share a file over to the other computer and print to its printer
[10:24] <Coag> System>Administration>Shared Folders
[10:24] <Coag> System>Administration>Printing
[10:24] <Schalken> Coag: lol
[10:24] <Schalken> Coag: yeah i got that far, if only it worked
[10:24] <Corey> damn xgl isnt a preety to install thing !
[10:24] <shriphani> Healot, did you find something
[10:24] <Coag> works fine for me :P
[10:25] <Corey> is there an easy way of installing ?
[10:25] <Schalken> Coag: well, the printer might have something to do with the lack of printer drivers, but the folder sharing should at least work
[10:25] <Coag> yeah it should
[10:25] <dts> is there something like a video screen grabber?
[10:25] <Schalken> Coag: but its still asking for a password from the other computer
[10:25] <Coag> then give it a password silleh
[10:26] <Schalken> dunno how to
[10:26] <zbyte> oh yeah..ubuntu is still up and running
[10:26] <Coag> make a new user that is the same account as the windows box
[10:26] <Coag> useradd account name
[10:26] <zbyte> is there a command to find out how long your ubuntu has been up and running?
[10:26] <Coag> useradd accountname
[10:26] <Coag> zbyte: uptime
[10:26] <Coag> Schalken: then passwd accountname
[10:27] <Healot> zbyte: "uptime"
[10:27] <Coag> then smbpasswd -a accountname
[10:27] <Coag> that shoudl get you going
[10:27] <Managu> gleesond: "sudo usermod -G audio -a [username] "
[10:27] <Schalken> Coag: whatdya mean 'the same account as the windows box', i didnt know the windows box has an account
[10:28] <shriphani> Healot, did you find something for me ?
[10:28] <Coag> then let's go with Administrator
[10:28] <Coag> you have to be logged in as some user in windows
[10:28] <Healot> shriphani: i just told you, scroll up... hum
[10:28] <Schalken> Coag: ...okay, you reckon that goes for old windows (ME) aswel?
[10:29] <Coag> absolutely
[10:29] <shriphani> zbyte uptime ?
[10:29] <zbyte> whats the minimum of ram you guys recommend to make ubuntu run at its very best
[10:30] <zcat[1] > Anything less than 256M is not good..
[10:30] <Healot> zbyte: for graphical UI, they recommend 128MB minimum
[10:30] <Managu> zbyte: 10 EB
[10:30] <Corey> would anyone like to help me install XGL ?
[10:30] <Coag> PORDO: your ip says you live rather close to me
[10:30] <shriphani> can you type it again Healot
[10:30] <Healot> for old-skewl text, 32MB is enough
[10:30] <zcat[1] > 128M is unusable!!
[10:30] <Managu> Corey: I think there's a whole channel devoted to that
[10:30] <zbyte> lol..i'm running it with 96mb of ram..and dual 300mhz processor
[10:30] <Healot> try "libdvdcss2" from http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/ >> no extra packages needed, shriphani sar
[10:30] <Corey> Whats it called ?
[10:31] <Schalken> Coag: 'sudo useradd Administrator'
[10:31] <Hit3k> Corey, #ubuntu-xgl
[10:31] <Schalken> Coag: 'sudo passwd Administrator'
[10:31] <zcat[1] > zbyte: textmode? not gnome I hope..
[10:31] <zbyte> Gnome baby..gnome
[10:31] <zcat[1] > Owww!!
[10:31] <PORDO> Coag i live at 205 chattanooga street, san francisco, ca
[10:31] <Coag> hmm
[10:31] <Hit3k> zcat[1] , its probably better than running KDE
[10:31] <Coag> not as close as I thought then
[10:31] <zbyte> i had it at 64mb ram..but man..it was laggy
[10:31] <PORDO> right by 24th and dolores.
[10:31] <PORDO> you're in the east bay?
[10:32] <gmc18> Morning Folk
[10:32] <Coag> I'm in fresn
[10:32] <Coag> o
[10:32] <PORDO> oh...sorry for you.
[10:32] <PORDO> i'm moving to portland soon actually.
[10:32] <Schalken> Goag: 'smbpasswd -a Administrator'
[10:32] <Coag> you should be >:|
[10:32] <Schalken> Coag*
[10:32] <Coag> take me with you
[10:32] <PORDO> better cost of living, cleaner, and hopefully better musical opportunities.
[10:32] <PORDO> lol.
[10:32] <PORDO> have you heard good things about portland ?
[10:32] <Coag> I've heard that it rains alot
[10:32] <Coag> which is enough for me
[10:33] <Schalken> Coag: do i need to restart the smb thingo
[10:33] <Schalken> ?
[10:33] <njan> PORDO, Portland is about the perfect place in the northwest
[10:33] <Coag> I don't think so Schalken
[10:33] <Coag> try mounting the share with that user and the pass you set under ME
[10:33] <nox-Hand> Hey
[10:34] <zbyte> i tried running a ubuntu live on my main system amd 64 3000..but it would crash..well at least xvideo failed..and would leave me in a black terminal prompt
[10:34] <nox-Hand> I am trying to install xgl/compiz
[10:34] <njan> PORDO, 2 hours drive in every direction and you have just about every climate the US has to offer.. desert, high desert, snowy mountains, temperate bits, the western coast around northern california..
[10:34] <zbyte> maybe cause i have dual monitors on that system?
[10:34] <nox-Hand> and.. I get... E. Could not find package compiz
[10:34] <nox-Hand> I am guessing I need some repo's opened?
[10:34] <njan> PORDO, Portland's a nice city, too; lots of interesting things in the area around it. :)
[10:35] <HymnToLife> !info compiz
[10:35] <kholerabbi> Could someone help me with installing the tar.gz of Gaim beta3 on ubuntu5.1?
[10:35] <HymnToLife> nox-Hand> that package doesn't eem to exist in the Ubuntu repos
[10:35] <Schalken> Coag: no wroky. i dont get how i can read and edit the windows computer's share but it cant read/edit mine. shouldnt it work both ways?
[10:36] <Coag> should could would but doesn't
[10:36] <Coag> blame windows and move one :D
[10:36] <Coag> on
[10:36] <zbyte> whats a terminal command to find out this box IP address
[10:36] <khermans_> zbyte, ifconfig
[10:36] <Coag> zbyte: ifconfig
[10:36] <khermans_> zbyte, but that's the local address -- you want your external IP too?
[10:37] <PORDO> funny line from a news piece i was just reading: He served spare ribs and ethanol, and put in a few video poker machines.
[10:37] <zbyte> no..local is what i need
[10:37] <Schalken> Coag: or i could just spend $150 AUD on windows and move on (from linux)
[10:37] <zbyte> just getting familiar with ubuntu/linux commands
[10:37] <zbyte> so i can rule the world
[10:37] <zbyte> hehe
[10:37] <Coag> I'm thinking of replacing my server's ubuntu install with gentoo
[10:37] <Coag> but I'm not sure if I have 4 days to spare right now
[10:37] <khermans_> Coag, lol
[10:37] <zbyte> i heard of gentoo..they have live cd right?
[10:38] <Coag> kind of?
[10:38] <khermans_> Coag, i always set up Ubuntu over Gentoo now, specifically for that reason
[10:38] <Coag> yes, i guess it is a live cd
[10:38] <Coag> khermans: I think ubuntu is great for desktops
[10:38] <khermans_> zbyte, yeah but the live cd is useless -- the power of gentoo is in the customization
[10:38] <Coag> I'm skimping on learning with it though because it has to many gui utils, I just use those instead
[10:38] <sigma> hello
[10:38] <khermans_> zbyte, you will learn a lot of linux internals setting it up
[10:39] <Coag> I can't set up a share without System>Admin>Shares
[10:39] <Coag> for example
[10:39] <khermans_> zbyte, and then you can move back to Ubuntu when you are done learning
[10:39] <khermans_> i used Gentoo for many years before Ubuntu was around
[10:39] <zcat[1] > I used redhat.
[10:39] <zbyte> kermans wow, you make me want to get a 2nd hard drive and dual it in this system
[10:39] <kholerabbi> I have downloaded gaim-2.0.0beta3.tar.gz, how do I install please?
[10:39] <zcat[1] > and before that slackware..
[10:40] <khermans_> kholerabbi, is it source code or binary?
[10:40] <Coag> slackware is silly
[10:40] <khermans_> never tried slack
[10:40] <gmc18> <- started with RH 5.0 way back when
[10:40] <Coag> I have this super old laptop, and I tried to get zipslack working on it
[10:40] <zbyte> i need better horsepower on this though..ubuntu on 96mb of ram and 300mhz processor is a bit laggy. but once the program opens, it goes smooth
[10:40] <khermans_> and gentoo was a waste of my admin time
[10:40] <gordonjcp> slackware is pretty good
[10:40] <Coag> I can't unzip the archive because there isn't enough ram
[10:40] <khermans_> zbyte, i suggest Xubuntu
[10:40] <gordonjcp> BSD init scripts > SysV init scripts
[10:41] <khermans_> zbyte, sudo aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop && sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[10:41] <zcat[1] > zbyte: I suggest better hardware. I got mine (1G CPU and 256M ram) from a dumpster
[10:41] <kholerabbi> dunno, it's just got files inside it like any archive.??
[10:41] <gordonjcp> zcat[1] : nice!
[10:41] <zcat[1] > yeah..
[10:41] <zcat[1] > and cheap :)
[10:41] <zbyte> well my main machine is super power..but the live cd wouldnt run on it. it would crash in video
[10:42] <khermans_> khermans, tar zxvf gaim-2.0.0beta3.tar.gz
[10:42] <gordonjcp> zcat[1] : totally
[10:42] <cl205chie> hi
[10:42] <zbyte> i think its cause i have dual monitor setup
[10:42] <protocol1> I run a 800MHZ system with 256 rdram with dapper and it flies pretty good
[10:42] <protocol1> pentium 3
[10:42] <Coag> see and I got this 100mhz with 8megs of ram laptop for 30 bucks
[10:42] <khermans_> kholerabbi, tar zxvf gaim-2.0.0beta3.tar.gz
[10:42] <gordonjcp> zcat[1] : best I've managed was a PIII-450 left out on the pavement
[10:42] <gordonjcp> zcat[1] : although I did snag a Compaq PIII-600 server that was destined for the bin from work
[10:42] <peter_> Anyone used opteron? I'm getting a new Alienware workstation and putting dapper on it. Opteron 2.4Ghz, 2gig ram, 10 000 rpm 74GB system, 2X 250GB data, nvidia quad 1300, sound good?
[10:42] <feross> kholerabbi: hmm did you untar/unzip it?
[10:42] <zcat[1] > the ram is everything.. 300MHz and 256ram is better than 600MHz and 128M ram...
[10:42] <cl205chie> you need friend
[10:42] <khermans_> i have to say that Gnome 2.14 is much faster!
[10:43] <feross> peter_: I hate you
[10:43] <peter_> hehe
[10:43] <kholerabbi> Yes. I just found an install.txt, so I should be able to follow that, check back if I need any help, thanks :)
[10:43] <khermans_> peter_, sounds spensive
[10:43] <feross> ;/
[10:43] <protocol1> zcat[1] ,yeah....I agree.....Im thinking about ading another RDRAM chip in it
[10:43] <gordonjcp> khermans_: not just me then?
[10:43] <zbyte> this motherboard now..is a dual pentium II 300 processor setup. i installed that linux smp package to run both processors..dont know if its helping. but I think if I add 512mb ram to this..it would sweet
[10:43] <peter_> very spesive, been saving though, have to use up some of those tax benifits working from home!
[10:43] <khermans_> gordonjcp, nope
[10:44] <zcat[1] > That would be pretty reasonable ..
[10:44] <peter_> you guys had experience with opteron?
[10:44] <Schalken> be nice if windows networking in ubuntu was as easy as in windows
[10:44] <zbyte> question..does anyone ubuntu  default setup...the totem player never plays dvd..anyone had that prob?
[10:44] <khermans_> peter_, i have an amd64 CHIP MYSELF IN MY LAPTOP
[10:44] <gordonjcp> Schalken: what's hard about it?
[10:44] <nox-Hand> HymnToLife, Hm, I am following a guide though =| This guide:http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131267
[10:45] <peter_> khermans, u like it?
[10:45] <zcat[1] > I have a good 1.4GHz chip and 512M ram here too, but the only mobo I had that took them died :(
[10:45] <khermans_> peter_, you thinking of running 64-bit Ubuntu?
[10:45] <protocol1> I am just starting to get this cold and Im starting off with with large quantaties of OJ to try kill it
[10:45] <peter_> Schalken, u still yabbing on?
[10:45] <khermans_> peter_, beware of non-64 apps :-)
[10:45] <Schalken> peter_: i sure am :D
[10:45] <peter_> khermans, no, 32 bit, dont think 64 is reayd, apps as u say
[10:45] <Schalken> Schalken is on his high horse
[10:45] <feross> peter_: I have a Turion.. works great
[10:46] <Coag> well
[10:46] <kholerabbi> ok this gaim is a source, it basically says to use commands such 'make', 'make check' and 'make install'.. Is there anything specific I should know for ubuntu?
[10:46] <khermans_> i tried amd64 in gentoo w long time ago, and it was painful
[10:46] <Coag> I found my gentoo cd so I think I'll go for it
[10:46] <zbyte> anyone played a dvd movie with ubuntu?
[10:46] <khermans_> always getting segfaults and stuff not compiling
[10:46] <khermans_> zbyte, sure
[10:46] <zcat[1] > Schalken: wait three days for dapper. Right click a folder and share it, just like windows. Same for browsing the network.. it really is as easy (or easier!) than windows ..
[10:46] <khermans_> zbyte, I use VLC or Xine
[10:46] <peter_> sweet, thx for the info, back later
[10:46] <zbyte> ahh..let me try that
[10:46] <Coag> dapper is fully released in three days?
[10:47] <khermans_> Coag, yep
[10:47] <Coag> ooh exiciting
[10:47] <khermans_> zbyte, sudo aptitude install vlc xine-ui
[10:47] <zcat[1] > I'm running it now.. but the ops tell me off for telling people to run the RC :(
[10:47] <feross> kholerabbi: you might need to run ./configure before the make && make check && make install
[10:47] <liquidindian> I've had to reinstall ubuntu (I did something wrong with root) and am now back to breezy.  What's the best way to upgrade?
[10:48] <khermans_> zcat[1] , according to Ubuntu's site -- the RC is meant for everyone -- even production it appears
[10:48] <Schalken> zcat[1] : nah cuz the windows computer asks for a password when i try to open up ubuntu's share
[10:48] <Hisakasex> how can I define svn service in firehol?
[10:48] <Hisakasex> how can I define svn service in firehol.conf?
[10:48] <Coag> can I boot from a cd in grub?
[10:48] <protocol1> Coag, I installed it early
[10:48] <khermans_> liquidindian, change all instances of "breezy" to "dapper" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:49] <zcat[1] > Schalken: if you had two windows computers with different login names, Windows would ask for a password too..
[10:49] <liquidindian> khermans, cheers!
[10:49] <khermans_> Coag, that's in your bios i believe
[10:49] <Coag> I know
[10:49] <Coag> it's enabled but not working
[10:49] <zbyte> kherman, with that command i get this:
[10:50] <Schalken> zcat[1] : then howcome i can open the windows computer's share without a password from the Ubuntu computer?
[10:50] <zbyte> Initializing package states... Done
[10:50] <zbyte> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[10:50] <zbyte> E: Unable to correct dependencies, some packages cannot be installed
[10:50] <zbyte> E: Unable to resolve some dependencies!
[10:50] <nox-Hand> HymnToLife, Those XGL packages are available in the Dapper repositories not the Breezy ones. I think some people have gotten the packages from the Dapper repositories on the Breezy machines, and been able to get it working. You should try and find those posts. Although that's probably a really bad idea to try.  || I just read that 0_O
[10:50] <Hisakasex> I need help with firehol
[10:50] <khermans_> liquidindian, and when that is done type: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[10:50] <zcat[1] > Schalken: you can? problem solved.. drop your file into the windows share from Linux then!
[10:50] <Quintok> schalken because it loads the share as read-only or it's fat32.
[10:50] <kholerabbi> A ran ./configure... It says there is no acceptable C compiler???
[10:50] <khermans_> Coag, you sure the disc is bootable and on good media?
[10:51] <Coag> yeah
[10:51] <Coag> it worked before
[10:51] <khermans_> kholerabbi, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[10:52] <Schalken> zcat[1]  so i cannot put a file on the Ubuntu computer from the windows one then?
[10:52] <Coag> thing is I don't have any blank cds, onyl dvds
[10:52] <zcat[1] > Schalken: I think you can access the share from windows as "\\machine:user\share" and enter your user password, that should give you full read/write access.. something like that.
[10:52] <Coag> :P
[10:52] <Schalken> zcat[1] : ill try that
[10:52] <zbyte> is synaptic package manager anygood?
[10:52] <khermans_> zbyte, did you do something to your apt sources?
[10:52] <khermans_> zbyte, yeah it should work
[10:52] <khermans_> i always use the command line myself though
[10:52] <kholerabbi> when running configure for gaimbeta3 I get "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"... any help?
[10:53] <khermans_> kholerabbi, i just told you how to fix that
[10:53] <Coag> how does a lan boot work?
[10:53] <kholerabbi> Yeah :) sorry mist that thanks
[10:53] <sigma> i810 had a bug
[10:53] <sigma> dose fix it
[10:53] <khermans_> Coag, goes off and grabs a kernel via network
[10:54] <khermans_> using bootp i believe
[10:54] <zcat[1] > try PXE ..
[10:54] <nox-Hand> Anyone got XGL working?
[10:54] <feross> Coag: you have a bootp server with config files and setup for clinets. runs your OS off of the network. Pretty cool actually.
[10:54] <pansonic> what is a good FORUM SOFTWARE for ubuntu
[10:54] <khermans_> nox-Hand, yep
[10:54] <zcat[1] > I haven't used bootp since the old dumb xterm days!!
[10:54] <khermans_> pansonic, phpbb ?
[10:54] <nox-Hand> khermans, On stable?
[10:54] <twager> Any help with seti ?
[10:54] <Quintok> pansonic, what do you mean forum software?
[10:54] <khermans_> nox-Hand, it only works on Dapper
[10:54] <Coag> damn, not what I'm looking for then
[10:55] <feross> Coag: you can grab something like knoppix cluster boot cd and boot your server then the clients from network pick up that server.
[10:55] <Hisakasex> I am trying to define a new service in firehol.conf like this: server_svn_ports="tcp/3690"
[10:55] <pansonic> i want to set a discussion forum
[10:55] <khermans_> nox-Hand, join #ubuntu-xgl
[10:55] <nox-Hand> ok
[10:55] <Quintok> pansonic, you'll want apache, mysql, php4 and phpbb.
[10:55] <Coag> I need a way to boot the gentoo install disc without being able to burn a new copy
[10:55] <Hisakasex> but it does not work
[10:55] <pansonic> through synaptic?
[10:55] <khermans_> pansonic, phpbb wil work
[10:55] <Schalken> zcat[1] : nah the "\\machine:user\share" format doesnt work.
[10:56] <khermans_> pansonic, sudo aptitude install phpbb2
[10:56] <nox-Hand> khermans, Can one upgrade to Dapper without formatting hdd? I mean, like just a reinstall of packages, but you don't lose your configs, files etc
[10:56] <Schalken> zcat[1] : is there a way I can find what the user is on the windows computer?
[10:56] <pansonic> thanks guys
[10:56] <pansonic> send virtual case of beer
[10:56] <khermans_> nox-Hand, yes
[10:56] <khermans_> nox-Hand, just change all instances of "breezy" to "dapper" in the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:56] <Hisakasex> help please
[10:57] <Coag> maybe my 2005.1 gentoo installer cd will work...
[10:57] <khermans_> Coag, you bios is all that will help you there
[10:57] <Coag> I know
[10:57] <liquidindian> khermans, Can I safely remove the CDRom repository?
[10:57] <Coag> something's gotta be wrong with that cd
[10:58] <khermans_> liquidindian, yup
[10:58] <nox-Hand> khermans, Is that safe to do?
[10:58] <nox-Hand> Then do adept-update?
[10:58] <Blippe> liquidindian, yes, that is safe
[10:58] <Hisakasex> could someone help with firehol.conf?
[10:58] <liquidindian> And then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:58] <Quintok> nox-Hand, yes it's safe.  enjoy the download though lol
[10:58] <khermans_> nox-Hand, i never used adept -- but try
[10:58] <nox-Hand> Quintok, A few hundred downloads?
[10:59] <nox-Hand> khermans, Just Kubuntu version of Synaptic
[10:59] <Quintok> nox-Hand, it's not small
[10:59] <Coag> aha this cd worked!
[10:59] <Coag> ok
[10:59] <nox-Hand> Hey, Kubuntu uses same repo's as Ubuntu?
[10:59] <khermans_> liquidindian, sudo aptitude update ... upgrade .. dist-upgrade