[08:38] <Pozac> Scorp, it might be in the unsupported Universe repository
[08:38] <Pozac> do you have that enabled?
[08:38] <kent> ogra, i decided to read what the documentation-area has to say about wiki* first. I will write and save the comment later.
[08:38] <help_please> yes It worked
[08:39] <Scorp> Pozac I believe so
[08:39] <anir> hey gotta go now
[08:39] <anir> see u tomorrow
[08:39] <kent> ogra, i guess some one who knows better than me than can correct the error with better information.
[08:39] <anir> take care all..
[08:39] <TopDog> help_please, good :-)
[08:39] <Scorp> yeah Pozac I do have it
[08:39] <anir> and prepare well for the new year..
[08:39] <anir> we should have a blast here
[08:39] <cabbie> Pozac: is parted safe for resizing partitions?
[08:40] <ogra> kent: just go on, everybody is welcome to help on the wiki ;)
[08:40] <Pozac> cabbie, more or less, not sure though
[08:40] <Pozac> anir, happy new year :)
[08:40] <cabbie> hmn..
[08:40] <cabbie> happy new year anir
[08:40] <anir> pozac: not now...lol..wait till 31st
[08:40] <anir> okay
[08:40] <Prasatko> please, will some of you help me? i have a notebook without cdrom, network card and floppy. i have installed ubuntu on another computer and then i placed the HDD back to my notebook. but it does not work. it displays this http://kmlinux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~pausp1/1/IMGP3162.jpg
[08:40] <Pozac> Scorp, strange.. maybe it's a bug in synaptic
[08:41] <Scorp> it's like I click search type xterm the window disappears I see xterm under the search history, on the bottom it says 4 packages listed 814 installedd ... .etc... but nothing appears in the main window and on the bottom it says "No Package Selected" (bottom half of main window
[08:41] <anir> thank you pozac cabbie
[08:41] <Pozac> Scorp, doesn't happen here.. well, use sudo apt-get install ifplugd then
[08:41] <Pozac> np anir
[08:41] <anir> for helping me
[08:41] <Scorp> ok will do
[08:41] <anir> take care bye
[08:41] <cabbie> bye
[08:42] <Pozac> Prasatko, nice try :)
[08:42] <dud> Prasatko, it seems to try and load a ramdisk
[08:42] <Scorp> is ifplugd going to start up with the machine now?
[08:42] <Pozac> libc.so.6 missing is NOT good
[08:42] <dud> installing on one pc, and just moving the harddrive has minimal chances of working
[08:42] <Pozac> Scorp, aye
[08:43] <Scorp> ok thanks Pozac
[08:43] <kent> ogra, so.. now i have, at least i think so, contributed to ubuntu :)   I made the comment now.
[08:43] <Pozac> np, Scorp
[08:43] <Scorp> How long would it take to get gcc on this machine ?
[08:43] <ogra> kent: great !!!
[08:43] <ogra> kent: :))
[08:43] <Scorp> (also where do I learn a bit more about apt-get ? debian virgin here...)
[08:43] <Prasatko> dud: i know, but i don't know how to install it the other way
[08:43] <Pozac> Prasatko, there is a mini.iso for network install somewhere if thats a possibility
[08:44] <Pozac> Scorp, man apt
[08:44] <Pozac> Scorp, or man apt-get
[08:44] <Prasatko> pozac: ok, i will borrow network card and i'll try it
[08:44] <Scorp> cool thank you
[08:44] <help_please> hey
[08:45] <help_please> i have mounted my 1 partiton on mnt/E
[08:45] <help_please> I want to rename this E folder to say D
[08:45] <help_please> how can I do that ?
[08:45] <Pozac> Prasatko, hmm hold on
[08:45] <Scorp> what would I type to get gcc and how long would it take?
[08:45] <Pozac> Prasatko, it should be possible to copy the installation files to the harddrive on the other computer, swap the drive and install from harddrive
[08:46] <dud> help_please, just open up your filebrowser and right click the folder
[08:46] <dud> and choose rename
[08:46] <help_please> Ya i tried that
[08:46] <help_please> but the rename option is disable
[08:46] <Pozac> hehe
[08:46] <Pozac> you need to be root
[08:46] <Scorp> wait is gcc-3.3 normal/stable/etc?
[08:47] <Scorp> and uptodate?
[08:47] <help_please> now how should i be a root ?
[08:47] <Pozac> from terminal, sudo mv /mnt/E /mnt/D
[08:47] <Pozac> or cd /mnt; sudo mv E D
[08:47] <Pozac> Scorp, apt-get install build-essentail
[08:48] <Pozac> build-essential
[08:48] <help_please> its says device or souce busy ?
[08:48] <Pozac> help_please, you must unmount it first
[08:48] <help_please> how to unmount it ?
[08:48] <Pozac> umount /mnt/E
[08:48] <zenrox> sudo umount /mnt/E
[08:49] <Pozac> sorry :/
[08:49] <zenrox> lol
[08:49] <Pozac> ;)
[08:49] <Prasatko> pozac: ok, i'll try it.
[08:49] <zenrox> its pretty much mount and umount sudo is first
[08:49] <Pozac> Prasatko, it's not an easy task, good luck
[08:49] <Blackwell> in case x11 doesn't like to come up anymore, what should one do? is there a specific log file for xfree86?
[08:50] <Pozac> yeah, /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[08:50] <help_please> it again says device is busy
[08:50] <Blackwell> Pozac: ah, thank you.
[08:51] <Pozac> help_please, ok, something uses it. try 'lsof /mnt/E'
[08:51] <Pozac> help_please, close all windows of E first if you haven't
[08:51] <Pozac> Blackwell, gdm usually shows the error msg when it fails though
[08:52] <ogra> help_please: you shouldnt be in /mnt/E while unmounting it, also make sure no filebrowser showing it is open
[08:52] <cabbie> very educational. thanks all, goodbye
[08:52] <help_please> no its all closed
[08:52] <help_please> no still it says device is busy
[08:53] <Pozac> help_please, how about that 'lsof /mnt/E'? :)
[08:53] <ogra> help_please: did you try Pozac s suggestion ?
[08:53] <help_please> ya even after writing lsof/mnt/E
[08:53] <ogra> heh
[08:53] <ogra> help_please: you missed a space
[08:53] <help_please> space in what ?
[08:54] <Pozac> lsof<space>/mnt/E
[08:54] <help_please> no I did
[08:54] <Pozac> what did it say?
[08:54] <Pozac> fam?
[08:54] <help_please> it gives me some short table after putting this lsof command
[08:54] <help_please> ya fam
[08:54] <help_please> famd
[08:54] <help_please> not fam famd
[08:54] <Pozac> sudo /etc/init.d/famd restart
[08:54] <Prasatko> pozac: that's not good. I'm quite new to linux. i will create a partition and copy install cd on it. but how do I run the install process?
[08:55] <Pozac> then you can umount :)
[08:55] <Pozac> Prasatko, that's a good question
[08:55] <ogra> help_please: sudo /etc/init.d/fam stop && umount /mnt/E && sudo /etc/init.d/fam start
[08:55] <help_please> it says command not found
[08:55] <bobmepis> lsof +D /mnt/..
[08:55] <ogra> argh...missing a sudo
[08:55] <ogra> help_please: sudo /etc/init.d/fam stop && sudo umount /mnt/E && sudo /etc/init.d/fam start
[08:55] <ogra> now its right
[08:55] <dseomn> Prasatko: you have to burn the cd image onto a cd and boot that cd
[08:56] <Pozac> dseomn, no cd drive :)
[08:56] <dseomn> Prasatko: is netboot available?
[08:56] <Prasatko> dseomn: sorry, no fdd, cdrom, network card
[08:56] <Pozac> but a HD with grub
[08:57] <Pozac> which can go in another machine with a CD drive
[08:57] <Pozac> so he can get iso or whatnot on the drive
[08:57] <help_please> ya I worked
[08:57] <help_please> lets see if I can rename it
[08:57] <Scorp> how do i enter un & pw for windows network in gnome network?
[08:57] <dseomn> Prasatko: can you do a dd if=cd-image of=/dev/hda (or similar)?
[08:57] <Pozac> he can :)
[08:58] <dseomn> Prasatko: I think the el torito image has the same layout as the mbr
[08:58] <dseomn> (minus the partition part)
[08:58] <Scorp> nm I got it
[08:59] <Pozac> dseomn, do you know the specifics of how to do this?
[09:00] <dseomn> Pozac: what do mean? installing from the iso on the mbr?
[09:00] <Fraxy> hi all
[09:00] <help_please> ya thanks Pozac, everythings working fine now
[09:00] <help_please> i have my 2 drives mounted on my Ubuntu
[09:00] <help_please> now everytime i'll start Ubuntu these will be available right ?
[09:00] <dseomn> Pozac: you just have to use debs from the network
[09:00] <Fraxy> i've created 2 intresting script
[09:00] <Pozac> dseomn, No network
[09:01] <Fraxy> for install flash plugins for 5 plattform
[09:01] <dseomn> Pozac: I know, but parralel or serial cable should work
[09:01] <Fraxy> and for install gftp for i386
[09:01] <Pozac> dseomn, cant he (from grub) setup to mount the iso and use that to install from ?
[09:01] <Pozac> help_please, no, you have to edit the /etc/fstab file
[09:02] <Fraxy> can I help ubuntu?
[09:02] <help_please> ok please tell me that too
[09:02] <Pozac> dseomn, hehe.. sloooooow
[09:02] <help_please> cause I need these 2 partitions whenever I start Ubuntu
[09:02] <Kamion> why does installing gftp need a script? shouldn't it be a package?
[09:02] <dseomn> Pozac:  maybe root (hdx,x,)/path/to/image.iso \n chainloader +1
[09:02] <Kamion> the current package in hoary is CVS from 1 December 2004, doesn't seem that out of date
[09:02] <dseomn> Pozac: I know I'm a slow typer
[09:02] <Fraxy> you must install 4 packages fo gftp
[09:03] <Scorp> what's gst-register music player won't start complains about not being able to initialise register ?
[09:03] <Fraxy> isn't very pratice
[09:03] <Fraxy> but the script fol flash is good
[09:03] <Kamion> eh?
[09:03] <ogra> Fraxy: sudo apt-get install gftp ?
[09:03] <Pozac> help_please, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[09:03] <Pozac> help_please, then add: /dev/hdaX	/mnt/point	vfat	defaults,umask=000	0 0
[09:03] <Kamion> install gftp-gtk, that's it, surely?
[09:03] <ogra> Fraxy: sudo apt-get install mozilla-flashplayer ?
[09:03] <Fraxy> apt-get doesn't funct
[09:03] <Kamion> then fix it, working around apt-get is silly
[09:03] <help_please> by point you mean my directory name ?
[09:04] <Pozac> help_please, for both partitions. Leave an empty line at the bottom.
[09:04] <Fraxy> Kamion: there are 4 packages
[09:04] <Scorp> anybody?
[09:04] <Scorp> anybody?
[09:04] <Scorp> what's gst-register music player won't start complains about not being able to initialise register ?
[09:04] <Pozac> dseomn, I mean the serial is slow
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> hi all.
[09:04] <Fraxy> hi
[09:04] <Pozac> Scorp?
[09:04] <ogra> Fraxy: they have dependencys
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> i am having a _major_ problem...
[09:04] <Fraxy> ogra: yes
[09:04] <Kamion> Fraxy: gftp depends on all the others. This is a modern Unix system; you don't need to deal with installing all four separately, unless you deliberately use strange ways of installing them.
[09:04] <dseomn> Pozac: I agree with you there too, but if it works, ...
[09:05] <ogra> Fraxy: so one pulls in the others
[09:05] <Pozac> dseomn, good suggestion
[09:05] <help_please> by point you mean my Folder name ?
[09:05] <Kream> hi all. does ubuntu support TeX ?
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> can anyone see me in #flood, so that i can describe freely ?
[09:05] <Scorp> music player says that it couldn't initialise register and then asks me if I ran gst-register and doesn't start up? my fault?
[09:05] <dseomn> Kream: TeX runs in ubuntu
[09:05] <ogra> Fraxy: if you install the gftp package the others are installed automatically
[09:05] <ArCHoNKoG> where can i get hoary iso guys ?
[09:05] <Fraxy> but in ubuntu flash plug-in serve
[09:06] <Blackwell> can i rerun the (auto)configuration for gdm/xfree86 somehow?
[09:06] <Kamion> in general we want package improvements rather than scripts. :)
[09:06] <help_please> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[09:06] <help_please> #
[09:06] <help_please> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[09:06] <help_please> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[09:06] <help_please> /dev/hda7       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:06] <help_please> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[09:06] <Pozac> scopecrp, try running gst-register
[09:06] <help_please> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[09:06] <help_please> /dev/hda5	/mnt/D	vfat	defaults,umask=000	0 0
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: can u please help me #flood ?

[09:06] <help_please> /dev/hda6	/mnt/E	vfat	defaults,umask=000	0 0
[09:06] <Kamion> (you may be able to modify the latter into the former, though)
[09:06] <help_please> this is my fstab file now, is it fine ?
[09:06] <Pozac> Scorp
[09:06] <dseomn> help_please: use #flood
[09:06] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, aye
[09:06] <Kream> is there a way to view the ubuntu packages database ?
[09:07] <Scorp> Pozac?
[09:07] <help_please> use #flood for what ?
[09:07] <dseomn> Kream: are you using synaptic?
[09:07] <Blackwell> Kream: synaptic? dpkg?
[09:07] <dud> does anyone else get PGP errors upon apt-get update when having ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ in their sources.list?
[09:07] <ogra> Fraxy: falsh is in multverse or universe already, called flashplayer-mozilla see here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:07] <dseomn> help_please: use #flood for any pasting or long messages
[09:07] <help_please> ok but that's the only 1 :)
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: please see flood
[09:07] <help_please> i'm first time here so did not knew the rules, i aplogize
[09:07] <dud> "W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907"
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> ogra: please try helping me, if u can
[09:08] <TenPlus1> hi folks...
[09:08] <Fraxy> why there aren't flash plug-in in ubuntu?
[09:08] <Kream> dseomn: i'm not an ubuntu user but I might become one soon, Blackwell
[09:08] <help_please> Pozac just see the message I pasted above so I save the file
[09:08] <Fraxy> there is userful
[09:08] <zenwhen> Fraxy, all you have to do is go to Macromedia's sitre and get the flash installer.
[09:08] <ogra> Fraxy: did you read the page i just posted for you ?
[09:08] <TenPlus1> Q.) I know Samba lets you share files/folders in Ununtu with a Windows computer, but what do I use to share an Internet Connection ???
[09:08] <dseomn> Kream: yes it's possible to get the list, just go to archive.ubuntu.org and look for files called 'Packages'
[09:08] <Fraxy> yes
[09:09] <Blackwell> Kream: just starting out there either. try synaptic in the "System Configuration" menu
[09:09] <ogra> zenwhen: its in multi/universe
[09:09] <ogra> Fraxy: it explains it
[09:09] <dseomn> Blackwell: Kream said s/he isn't using ubuntu yet
[09:09] <Blackwell> dseomn: oh, i see.
[09:09] <Kream> cool. thanks dseomn and Blackwell :)
[09:09] <help_please> I think pozacs gone ?
[09:09] <Pozac> i'm here
[09:09] <Pozac> busy bee
[09:10] <ogra> Fraxy: it is not allowed to redistribute them....
[09:10] <help_please> secondly, can't we run .mp3 or .wav on Ubuntu ?
[09:10] <Kream> dseomn: archive.ubuntu.org doesn't resolve
[09:10] <Blackwell> can one rerun the xfree86/etc. related autoconfiguration process?
[09:10] <Pozac> help_please, get the gstreamer0.8-mad package
[09:10] <dseomn> Kream: the files might be called 'Packages.gz' in which case you need to uncompress them
[09:10] <ogra> help_please: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:10] <Pozac> help_please, it's in the universe
[09:10] <dseomn> Kream: sorry, archive.ubuntu.com
[09:10] <help_please> ok
[09:10] <Scorp> someone suggest me a player that can play files (mp3) over a windows share? (xmms can't)
[09:10] <help_please> hey Pozac, see my pasted message above
[09:10] <help_please> its my fstab file
[09:10] <help_please> and tell me it its fine ?
[09:10] <Pozac> Scorp, beep-media-player
[09:10] <TenPlus1> Scorp: check out VLC VideoLAN Player, it does ALL formats in Windows,Linux etc.
[09:10] <help_please> so I restart my PC and check whether its mounting or not
[09:11] <Scorp> Pozac isn't that Xmms on gtk2?
[09:11] <Blackwell> Scorp: you mounted that share into the local filesystem?
[09:11] <Pozac> Scorp, you can mount your windows shares as filesystems, then you can use xmms
[09:11] <Pozac> Scorp, and gnome-vfs :)
[09:11] <Scorp> Blackwell no through gnomes thing
[09:11] <dseomn> help_please: you can use mount -a instead of rebooting
[09:11] <Blackwell> Scorp: mount it. then it shouldn't matter to any app.
[09:11] <Fraxy> ogra: i've understand, but flash animations are everywhere
[09:11] <TenPlus1> Q.) I know Samba lets you share files/folders in Ununtu with a Windows computer, but what do I use to share an Internet Connection ???
[09:11] <help_please> what will mount -a do ?
[09:11] <Scorp> smbmnt is that the command?
[09:11] <Scorp> I'd rather not mount but use gnome's thing though
[09:11] <ogra> Fraxy: thats why it is offered in multiverse
[09:11] <help_please> I want my 2 windows drives to automatically mount whenever i restart my PC
[09:12] <dseomn> help_please: mount -a mount's everything from /etc/fstab that's not marked as noauto
[09:12] <ogra> help_please: -a = all
[09:12] <Blackwell> Scorp: the problem is that the gnome thing browses right in there using smb itself. that means that any other app needs to support smb to use that share. that is not the unix spirit to go about things. mount it, really.
[09:12] <Pozac> DAMN flash animations everywhere
[09:12] <dseomn> help_please: mount -a is the command run when you boot up to mount stuff
[09:12] <help_please> ok
[09:12] <help_please> but I'm just asking
[09:12] <help_please> that I have added 2 lines to my fstab file
[09:12] <Scorp> Blackwell ok how do I mount it?
[09:13] <help_please> this will make Ubuntu launch my 2 windows drives automatically when it starts, right ?
[09:13] <catdog> help_please: do your windows partitions have entries in fstab?
[09:13] <Blackwell> Scorp: no idea. you had a pretty good lead there if you ask me.
[09:13] <ogra> help_please: yes
[09:13] <help_please> yes I just manually added them
[09:13] <Scorp> ok I see ty all
[09:13] <Scorp> smbmount it is
[09:14] <TenPlus1> help_please: check this out: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1886
[09:14] <help_please> like this
[09:14] <help_please> ok
[09:14] <Pozac> Blackwell, gnome-vfs now uses a user-space mount thingie, so it's in /tmp somewhere
[09:14] <help_please> dev/hda5	/mnt/D	vfat	defaults,umask=000	0 0
[09:14] <cenerentola> Kamion: a friend of mine, has tried installing ubuntu. but the installer didn't let him partitioning the hd..
[09:14] <Blackwell> Pozac: i see
[09:14] <Pozac> Scorp, sudo mount -t smbfs //machine/share /mnt/point
[09:14] <ogra> help_please: dont care about that page, its ntfs
[09:14] <TenPlus1> Can someone help me with a networking question plz ?
[09:14] <cenerentola> Kamion: well actually.. it didnt accpet partitions..
[09:15] <help_please> ok thankyou guys
[09:15] <help_please> i'll come online whenever I need help again
[09:15] <catdog> help_please: doesn't that work then?
[09:15] <Pozac> Scorp, mount calls smbmount :)
[09:15] <help_please> its nice how you people are working for Ubuntu
[09:15] <ogra> help_please: youre welcome :)
[09:15] <help_please> i'll restart my PC and see if its working or not
[09:15] <help_please> anywayz, take carez
[09:15] <dseomn> help_please: most of us probably don't 'work' for ubuntu
[09:15] <Pozac> help_please, good luck :)
[09:15] <catdog> scorp: you don't need to worry about smbmount, just make sure it's installed.
[09:15] <help_please> i mean just helping Ubuntu
[09:15] <help_please> hey just to ask you
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: any solutions
[09:16] <help_please> where are you people from ?
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> ?
[09:16] <TenPlus1> ogra: do I need to use a proxy server to share an internet connection with a WinXP laptop ???
[09:16] <help_please> i'm from Pakistan
[09:16] <catdog> scorp: and mount will use if it needs to
[09:16] <ogra> TenPlus1: if you only want to browse, yes
[09:16] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, like I said, partition tables corrupting is a bit out of my league, sorry :(
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> ok. thank u anyway.
[09:16] <dseomn> help_please: I'm from Sol 3
[09:16] <TenPlus1> ogra: is their anything else that will allow me to share the FULL internet connection like ftp etc. ?
[09:16] <ogra> TenPlus1: for mail etc, you need a clean NAT setup on the linux box
[09:17] <TenPlus1> ogra: NAT setup ? any docs or how-to's on that ?
[09:17] <help_please> ok guys, catch ya laterzz
[09:17] <Pozac> TenPlus1, you can set ip_forward=1 in /etc/networks/options
[09:17] <ogra> TenPlus1: try firestarter, in nerver used it, but i heard rumors it is helpful in that
[09:17] <Pozac> that will give you VERY basic nat
[09:17] <Blackwell> hm. /dev/mouse typically exists, doesn't it?
[09:17] <TenPlus1> thx guys... much appreciated
[09:17] <Pozac> ogra, like you need to set the default gateway to the machines IP manually
[09:18] <ogra> TenPlus1: look for netfilter NAT documentation .....
[09:18] <ogra> TenPlus1: and use firestarter fi you want a gui to configure that
[09:18] <TenPlus1> kewl, thankxs :)
[09:19] <ogra> Pozac: i am not sure if just  ip_forward=1 in /etc/networks/options is enough....
[09:19] <Kamion> cenerentola: the log files visible on alt-f3 and alt-f4 are usually useful
[09:20] <Pozac> ogra, it will set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1, no?
[09:20] <Pozac> I think it's enough
[09:20] <ogra> Pozac: yep.... but thats the lowest layer....
[09:20] <cenerentola> Kamion: really thank you
[09:23] <jats-> anyone had any trouble installing Ubuntu on a machine with only 32M of RAM? it SHOULD install with 32M. the machine is an old ibm thinkpad 380xd.
[09:23] <bob2> it won't work
[09:23] <EfaistOs> is there a driver for the canoscan lide 35 available ?
[09:24] <Kream> what's the difference between main, restricted and universe ?
[09:24] <jats-> bob2: it doesn't seem to. :P
[09:24] <bob2> I'm pretty sure 48MB is the minimum for warty
[09:24] <Kamion> Kream: Disk geometry for /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc: 0.000-157066.875 megabytes
[09:24] <Kamion> Disk geometry for /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/disc: 0.000-6204.331 megabytes
[09:24] <Kamion> Disk geometry for /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/disc: 0.000-38166.679 megabytes
[09:24] <bob2> you could possibly do an expert install and mount some swap very early on
[09:24] <Kamion> aargh
[09:24] <Kamion> Kream: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[09:24] <Kamion> bob2: the warty installer is supposed to work with 32MB
[09:24] <bob2> oh
[09:24] <Kamion> although I've not tested it at that level
[09:24] <jats-> it's supposed to work with 32MB, yes
[09:25] <Kamion> dunno where the 48MB figure comes from
[09:25] <Kream> Kamion: thanks :)
[09:25] <jats-> but it can't mount swap through the menus even in expert mode, how do i do it on the command line?
[09:25] <Kamion> swapon
[09:25] <bob2> hm, my mistake, sorry
[09:25] <jats-> hm
[09:25] <jats-> ok.
[09:26] <Kamion> we may have to do a bit of tweaking, it's possible that the 32MB figure from Debian was with 2.4 ...
[09:26] <jats-> just "swapon /dev/hda5", or what?
[09:26] <Kamion> yeah
[09:26] <Blackwell> do i need to restart the pc to restart xfree86/gdm? i tried "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" but that reports "[fail] ". looking at /var/log/gdm/:0.log i see seemingly entries from before trying to restart it.
[09:26] <mkrubel> Help!  the hpoj package is broken, it says it depends on libsnmp5 (>= 5.1) but it is not installable.  What do I do?
[09:26] <jats-> ok, i'll try
[09:27] <jats-> thanks for the help!
[09:27] <ogra> Blackwell: looks like your X config is broken
[09:27] <Blackwell> also, the virtual console 7 shows a message from gdm, telling me to restart gdm when i fixed the configuration and an OK "button", however, i cannot press that button.
[09:27] <Kamion> mkrubel: try 'apt-get install libsnmp5' and find out why that isn't installable. repeat. alternatively, use something better than apt-get ...
[09:27] <ogra> Blackwell: look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[09:27] <Kamion> Blackwell: doesn't enter work?
[09:27] <Blackwell> ogra: yes, i tried changing it, but i cannot get past the "restart it" hurdle :)
[09:27] <Blackwell> Kamion: no :|
[09:28] <Kamion> maybe the keymap's screwed or something
[09:28] <ogra> Blackwell: hope you didnt edit the config manually.... if not, use: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to fix it
[09:28] <mkrubel> oh, I didn't have archive.ubuntu.com in my sources.list , only the CD
[09:28] <mkrubel> that's probably it
[09:28] <Kamion> which CD?
[09:28] <Pozac> install CD?
[09:29] <Kamion> Pozac: no, I mean release
[09:29] <Kamion> warty or hoary, if hoary then which date
[09:29] <Pozac> oh
[09:29] <Kamion> everything on the CD should have its dependencies there too
[09:29] <Pozac> <- lamer ;)
[09:29] <Blackwell> ogra: i ran the vmware-tools installation. i assume they changed things around. i do have the old XF86-Config file, but i cannot get to restart X to try to use that again.
[09:30] <Kamion> hpoj isn't on the CD though
[09:30] <ogra> Blackwell: normally the gdm restart command is sufficient.....
[09:30] <mkrubel> that would explain it.  hpoj is needed for me to scan images
[09:31] <Kamion> it's in universe, you'll have to use that
[09:31] <mkrubel> but it isn't on the Cd
[09:31] <ogra> Blackwell: the dpkg-reconfigure script has a mechanism to prevent changes if the file was ever edited manually....
[09:31] <EfaistOs> is there only sane for  scanner  ?
[09:31] <ogra> Blackwell: did you try to just copy the working XF86Config-4 file back ?
[09:32] <Kamion> if supported packages (i.e. packages not in universe or multiverse) are not sufficient for some reason, you might like to mail ubuntu-devel and explain that, mentioning which supported alternatives you tried and what went wrong with them
[09:32] <ogra> EfaistOs: nope, xsane is the tool
[09:32] <ogra> EfaistOs: dont use sane if xsane is installed (which is by default)
[09:32] <mkrubel> Kamion, is there a supported alternative to sane?
[09:32] <Kamion> I don't know anything about scanners
[09:33] <mkrubel> starting sane before installing the hpoj package gives a "no devices detected" message
[09:33] <EfaistOs> ogra, how often does xsane is updated ? is there a mailing list or something like that somewhere ?
[09:33] <Blackwell> ogra: yes. restarting gdm/X is the problem i have at that point. the log files do not seem to get touched when i try to restart gdm. i am going through the reconfig now.
[09:33] <ogra> EfaistOs: in the stable version of ubuntu only security updates go in
[09:34] <mkrubel> okay, thanks for your help
[09:35] <ogra> hmm.... he probably only needed the sg module...anyway
[09:35] <MarcoMarri> hi guys, I need a help
[09:35] <jats-> enabling swap at an early stage of the install seemed to help, btw, thanks a lot for the help!
[09:36] <Kamion> jats-: good stuff
[09:36] <MarcoMarri> how can I change default OS in the Ubuntu bootloader?
[09:36] <Kamion> MarcoMarri: which architecture?
[09:36] <MarcoMarri> i386 sorry
[09:36] <ogra> MarcoMarri: try this one: http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/
[09:36] <sladen> MarcoMarri: look in /boot/grub/menu.lst on i386
[09:36] <jats-> Kamion: should i make a bug report of it not installing on 32M RAM without tweaking, or something?
[09:36] <Kamion> MarcoMarri: change the 'default' line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:36] <dud> mplayer-586: Depends on: libsdl1.2debian (> 1.2.7+1.2.8) but 1.2.7-10.1ubuntu1 will be installed
[09:36] <MarcoMarri> thankyou vety much
[09:36] <dud> any ideas?
[09:37] <Kamion> jats-: sure, may as well, dunno if we can do anything about it but it's possible
[09:37] <ogra> dud: marillat doesnt work anymore
[09:37] <sladen> dud: have you tried a recent  apt-get update
[09:37] <Kamion> jats-: might also try the alpha-test hoary CD images
[09:37] <ogra> dud: he changed the package dependencys
[09:37] <dud> ogra, any alternative sources?
[09:37] <ogra> nope
[09:37] <sladen> ogra: use multiverse rather than marillat
[09:37] <dud> does multivers have mplayer now?
[09:37] <ogra> sladen: does wartys mplayer work ?
[09:38] <ogra> sladen: until last month it didnt
[09:38] <jats-> Kamion: ok, i just thought if anyone would be interested 'bout the info.
[09:38] <Kamion> jats-: yep, I would, please attach /var/log/debian-installer/* after installation to the bug
[09:38] <dud> doesnt cerkinfo.be work either then?
[09:39] <jats-> Kamion: ok
[09:39] <ogra> dud: totem-xine or gxine play all the files mplayer plays ....
[09:39] <dud> ogra, ok... ill be contempt with that then...
[09:39] <Blackwell> painful, but it seems one should consider the effort required to make a plain reinstall. it seems faster at times. :|
[09:40] <ogra> Blackwell: did you try copying the original file back ?
[09:41] <dud> why do i always get a "package cant be verified" prompt when using apt-get btw?
[09:41] <Kamion> probably because that repository isn't signed
[09:41] <dud> or possibly just from universe/multi
[09:41] <ogra> dud: using hoary ?
[09:41] <dud> yeah, hoary
[09:41] <ogra> dud: then you can use mplayer from multiverse safely
[09:42] <Kamion> you'll probably want ubuntu-keyring (currently in universe)
[09:42] <dud> ok, great
[09:42] <Blackwell> ogra: yes. the log file then says that /dev/mouse does not exist. the installer of vmware may have removed it, i assume.
[09:42] <ogra> dud: hoary introduced a new pkg auth mechanism
[09:42] <ogra> dud: there is a wiki page about that
[09:42] <ogra> Blackwell: the _original_ file (assuming you made a backup before changing )
[09:43] <Kamion> (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary)
[09:43] <Kamion> however you should be sceptical about such pages
[09:43] <Kamion> anyone could edit that page to show a different keyid
[09:43] <Blackwell> ogra: the vmware installer seemingly created a copy of that, yes. i copied that back yes, still problems. i need to restart it, i made the mistake to enter "psaux" for driver, assuming it meant the device.
[09:44] <ogra> Blackwell: hmm, ypu could run xf86cfg ... click on quit and save the file in /tmp or your home dir.... then copy it over
[09:45] <ogra> Blackwell: its a bit tricky to navigate though
[09:45] <jats-> hehe, the expert installer says "Choose a mirror of the Debian archive"
[09:45] <Blackwell> ogra: i am rebooting with the original file now, removing my modification for the mouse driver.
[09:45] <ogra> Blackwell: try it :)
[09:46] <Arnia> Hiya. I'm working on an RDF storage and ontology layer for Gnome (for my dissertation) and I was wondering if anyone was interested in discussing such a concept with me.
[09:46] <Kamion> jats-: fixed in hoary
[09:46] <Kamion> jats-: you netbooting?
[09:47] <jats-> Kamion: nope
[09:47] <Blackwell> ogra: that worked, using the "original" config file. thank you.
[09:47] <ogra> Kamion: 32 mb install ....
[09:47] <Kamion> jats-: oh, you're in expert mode
[09:47] <Kamion> ogra: yes, I know
[09:47] <jats-> yep
[09:47] <ogra> :)
[09:47] <GotD0t> I am going to install windows 2k on my computer, how would i go about restoring grub once its installed
[09:47] <jats-> :>
[09:47] <sladen> Arnia: have you tried sending a message to the  sounder  list?
[09:48] <Arnia> sladen: Uh... no. The project is already underway
[09:48] <ogra> GotD0t: someone wrote a nice howto for a grub floppy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/Randy%20Magee/
[09:48] <GotD0t> thanks ogra
[09:49] <huttan> Anyone know of a way to see ppls webcam over msn?
[09:50] <jkka> huttan: there is gaim-vv
[09:50] <jkka> never tried it
[09:50] <jkka> or managed to get it work..
[09:50] <jkka> once tried :)
[09:50] <huttan> is that a new client, or just like a plugin?
[09:50] <jkka> modified gaim client
[09:51] <jkka> with webcam support
[09:51] <sladen> Arnia: indeed, but telling people aobut it on the mailing list maybe more successful than asking on the IRC channel :)
[09:51] <jats> hmm, funny. my desktop machine just booted
[09:51] <Nivlem> I know I need nfscommon installed to run a nfs server..anything else I need to get?
[09:52] <huttan> kk
[09:52] <Arnia> sladen: heh. Well I'll do that as soon as I get my mail server listening to me when I'm outside of Durham. In the meantime those who wish to read a bit more can go to http://www.netalleynetworks.com/community/jgeldart/research/frege/
[09:52] <Chizad> I'm having problems with my Hoary install.  It's suddenly stopped resolving any hostnames.
[09:52] <ogra> Arnia: seen this ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AcademicInvolvement
[09:52] <Chizad> It's getting an IP address and DNS servers and all that jazz from my WRT54G, and /etc/resolv.conf is showing the correct DNS server addresses.
[09:53] <ogra> Nivlem: there is a hoeto on the wiki for nfs :)
[09:53] <ogra> howto
[09:54] <GotD0t> ah... i cant mount my floppy
[09:54] <jkka> huttan: http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/samuel.mimram/debian.php
[09:54] <jkka> you could try that
[09:54] <jkka> i havent, but im intrested if it works
[09:54] <jkka> my little sister still wants that for her ubuntu laptop, and i could install next time visiting
[09:54] <Arnia> ogra: Yeah... but I'm not sure of its relevance given that I'm most of the way through the dissertation already :) I'm just looking to get people interested for when I fully open the code-base so that the work can continue
[09:55] <Chizad> All that's in /etc/hosts file is the localhost stuff, and /etc/host.conf has two lines: "order hosts, bind" and "multi on".
[09:55] <Arnia> (I'm also trying to debug a nasty little bug and I need someone else to install to check it isn't just me ;)
[09:55] <Chizad> It's getting access to the outside world as I can ping/connect to servers by IP, but DNS resolution has suddenly stopped working.
[09:55] <ogra> GotD0t: you must change the floppy line in fstab...... change auto to vfat
[09:55] <Chizad> Anyone have any suggestions?
[09:57] <bob2> Chizad: can you ping your nameservers?
[09:57] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: WORKED.. i used a utility called "gpart" which autoguessed my parts. and wrot the table... now my parts hdc1, hdc2, hdc3
[09:58] <jats> hm, the partitioner won't start now, could it have something to do with the fact that i manually enabled some swap
[09:58] <GotD0t> ogra: it tells me /dev/fd0 doesn't exist
[09:58] <jats> i wouldn't really need to start the partitioner but "install base system" from the menu wants to
[10:00] <ogra> GotD0t: oh, try sudo modprobe floppy
[10:00] <GotD0t> ogra: thanks
[10:02] <vladster> cool eh in a geekish kind of way
[10:02] <Duma> yup, lol
[10:02] <dud> argh, i think i just borked my apt-get..
[10:03] <vladster> no formalities, just keep it clean
[10:03] <ogra> dud: how that ?
[10:03] <Chizad> bob2: yes, and the other machines on my network are using them fine, but the ubuntu box is not.
[10:03] <vladster> Just ask questions and someone is bound to have an answer
[10:03] <bob2> Chizad: does 'host google.com ip.of.ns.' work?
[10:04] <vladster> Everybody, meet Duma
[10:04] <Duma> hello
[10:04] <vladster> Ther you havve been introduced
[10:04] <ogra> heh
[10:05] <zenwhen> Hi Im zenwhen.
[10:05] <zenwhen> :D
[10:05] <ogra> lol
[10:05] <vladster> Now just describe the system you have and the level of experience  level you have and what you want to try and do
[10:05] <zenwhen> Wow this sounds formal.
[10:05] <zenwhen> Do I get paid?
[10:06] <zenwhen> :D
[10:06] <ogra> Duma: just ask your questions :)
[10:06] <vladster> when I do zenwhen
[10:06] <zenwhen> o
[10:06] <jats> hm
[10:06] <vladster> She is looking at maybe trying ubuntu
[10:06] <ogra> great !
[10:06] <zenwhen> Why doesnt she?
[10:06] <zenwhen> :)
[10:07] <Duma> well, i have no idea what it is yet
[10:07] <Duma> he just pulled me in here
[10:07] <zenwhen> Oh
[10:07] <vladster> new to linux and would need help if she takes the plunge
[10:07] <zenwhen> Oh vladster you don jaun
[10:07] <zenwhen> :*
[10:07] <vladster> it started over security issues in windows
[10:07] <zenwhen> Oh
[10:07] <vladster> and escalated from that point
[10:07] <zenwhen> Have her try the livecd
[10:08] <Duma> umm, a few hundred miles away from me, but so , so far for don jaun
[10:08] <zenwhen> Theres nothing to lose there.
[10:08] <Duma> k, thats a good thing
[10:08] <vladster> except the blinders
[10:08] <zenwhen> huh
[10:08] <ryan_> hey, just a question...i know that the universe packages aren't updated. But, will they be updated between releases? For instance, amsn is at version 0.92 in universe right now and it wont be updated. but when hoary is released, will it be updated to say version 0.95 in the hoary tree?
[10:08] <zenwhen> You want her to try it out, and risk f'ing something up and hating it forever?
[10:09] <zenwhen> That's a bad move.
[10:09] <ogra> ryan_: it will be up to date with the version that is current on relese
[10:09] <zenwhen> She should TRY the livecd first.
[10:09] <vladster> You never know unless you try something
[10:09] <ryan_> ogra: ok, thx
[10:09] <Chizad> bob2: after making some changes in my router, it's working again.
[10:09] <ogra> ryan_: or better on freeze... which is some weeks before
[10:10] <zenwhen> Duma, download this big file http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/warty/warty-release-live-i386.iso
[10:10] <Duma> ok
[10:10] <vladster> If an old man like me could learn it, someone like her would pick it up easier
[10:10] <ogra> zenwhen: Duma is here, why do you talk in third person ?
[10:10] <zenwhen> you will need to burn it with an application such as nero
[10:10] <Chizad> I've been having intermittent issues with the Comcast DNS servers, so I set my router to use static DNS and pointed it at the Open RSC servers at the suggestion of a friend.
[10:10] <vladster> cause I am talikng to you
[10:10] <Duma> haha, but i dont know much about pc's and stuff, so
[10:11] <vladster> Duma you =have a burning utility?
[10:11] <Chizad> That worked fine for a while, but then my Ubuntu box started having problems.  I assumed it was an issue with just that machine, as my windows machines were still fine.
[10:11] <zenwhen> You will then boot your computer with it in the drive and it will show oyu a bit of what Ubuntu is like and let you try out the applications. If you don't throw up, you should try an actual install.
[10:11] <ogra> Duma: i think its just more polite....
[10:11] <vladster> yes
[10:11] <Chizad> Oh well, it's working now.
[10:11] <vladster> I think burners are the floppys of today
[10:12] <vladster> what?
[10:12] <ogra> Duma: if you try it and got any questions, dont hassle to come and ask here, even if you fear your own knowledge, we can help surely out
[10:12] <Duma> k, thx
[10:13] <vladster> Ther are also a lot of great free apps out there too
[10:13] <Duma> what i fear most is my english knowlegde, and that i will mess up my pc
[10:13] <vladster> it supports many languages
[10:13] <Duma> k, i hope dutch too
[10:13] <Kamion> live CD's good for that, it doesn't mess with your hard disk
[10:14] <Kamion> Dutch is pretty well supported
[10:14] <vladster> piece"o"cake
[10:14] <ogra> Duma: we care for that as much as we can :) and btw, there is also #ubuntu-es -fr -de and several others
[10:14] <ogra> Duma: most ppl in here are not native english speakers....
[10:14] <Duma> k
[10:15] <ogra> vladster: in fact about 14000 apps in ubuntu :)
[10:15] <vladster> cool
[10:15] <ogra> vladster: sorry, package, apps are more....
[10:16] <sjoerd> Duma: there is also #ubuntu-nl with dutch speaking people :)
[10:16] <cenerentola> buona notte/good night everyone
[10:16] <cenerentola> ciao ogra
[10:16] <ogra> cenerentola: ciao
[10:16] <vladster> not bad eh
[10:16] <vladster> pick a language any language
[10:17] <Duma> thx, but this is fine now, i got it so, i'll stick around now, at least i know vladster here
[10:17] <zenwhen> I am a native english speaker. I am in fact a regular G.I. Joe real american hero.
[10:17] <zenwhen> :O
[10:17] <Duma> :)
[10:17] <ogra> hehe
[10:17] <ogra> i'm still german and not related to any army :)
[10:17] <zenwhen> I want a hoary ISO so bad I can taste it.
[10:18] <zenwhen> :(
[10:18] <ogra> zenwhen: there are already two
[10:18] <vladster> I speak only three langauges, english bad english and binary
[10:18] <zenwhen> huh
[10:18] <vladster> cool
[10:18] <Pozac><PHONE_NUMBER>1110111
[10:18] <zenwhen> is there a fairly up to date one?
[10:18] <Duma> lol vladster
[10:18] <ogra> vladster: lol
[10:18] <vladster><PHONE_NUMBER>01011100010100010101001010010101111010101010101
[10:18] <ogra> vladster: could you translate Pozac for us ?
[10:18] <ogra> oh
[10:18] <Pozac> vladster,<PHONE_NUMBER>111111111111111111111111111111 (!)
[10:18] <vladster> rihgt on brother
[10:19] <Duma><PHONE_NUMBER>
[10:19] <Pozac> is 1111111 a swear word in binary?
[10:19] <vladster> really well ,11011010100101
[10:19] <ogra> zenwhen: array2 is the latest afaik... but for testing only i think
[10:19] <zenwhen> oh
[10:20] <vladster> 01111110
[10:20] <Kamion> array cd 2 was about a week and a half ago
[10:20] <zenwhen> Could I dist upgrade to hoary from it?
[10:20] <ogra> zenwhen: it is hoary
[10:20] <Kamion> why would you bother downloading a CD just to upgrade?
[10:20] <zenwhen> Dialup
[10:20] <zenwhen> where can I find ths disk?
[10:20] <intinig> how do I increase the size of those new multiwindow taskbar buttons?
[10:20] <Kamion> Pozac: collective noun for hedgehogs
[10:21] <MacRO> hi
[10:21] <bob2> intinig: it's a known bug in hoary
[10:21] <vladster> spiny norman?
[10:21] <Kamion> zenwhen: do you mean upgrade to hoary using the CD from a warty installation, or do you mean install using the CD and upgrade to current hoary?
[10:21] <Pozac> Kamion, oh
[10:21] <Pozac> an array of hedgehogs
[10:21] <ogra> intinig:  multiwindow taskbar buttons ??
[10:21] <zenwhen> Kamion, I mean using the disk as an apt source an doing an upgrade.
[10:21] <ogra> intinig: you mean the tasklist ?
[10:21] <intinig> bob2, can't increase their size?
[10:21] <zenwhen> and*
[10:21] <zenwhen> Is that supported?
[10:21] <ogra> intinig: you can
[10:21] <Kamion> zenwhen: why is that easier over dialup than just getting the packages?
[10:22] <zenwhen> Are you not on dialup?
[10:22] <Kamion> no
[10:22] <intinig> ogra, yes since last update (for me) every button in the taskbar points to all the windows of a program
[10:22] <ogra> intinig: right click on the little handle there... select settings
[10:22] <vladster> increase your task list by 3 to 4 inches
[10:22] <intinig> like the mac does :)
[10:22] <zenwhen> I have to go somewhere to download the ISO
[10:22] <bob2> I assum zenwhen will get someone else to download it for him/her
[10:22] <ogra> intinig: adjust the min size .....
[10:22] <zenwhen> Right
[10:22] <Kamion> zenwhen: ah, ok
[10:22] <Crane> ok I'm having prob again
[10:22] <zenwhen> But should it work?
[10:22] <Crane> lol
[10:22] <Kamion> zenwhen: it might be fiddly if you have packages installed beyond what's on the CD
[10:22] <Crane> hard to believe huh
[10:23] <bob2> intinig: don't know, should be fixed soon
[10:23] <zenwhen> Oh
[10:23] <Pozac> Crane, speak up :)
[10:23] <vladster> DUma, how far along is the download
[10:23] <bob2> zenwhen: apt-zip might be a better choice
[10:23] <etorix> id wait for the next array .. or dist-upgrade next week or so
[10:23] <Kamion> zenwhen: should be possible, but you might find yourself downloading lots from the network anyway
[10:23] <Duma> 11
[10:23] <Pozac> whats the problem?
[10:23] <Duma> 11%
[10:23] <zenwhen> Ill try it out
[10:23] <Crane> I decided to install ubuntu as my main distro
[10:23] <Pozac> Good choice
[10:23] <zenwhen> Worst that can happen is I have to flatten and reinstall.
[10:23] <ogra> zenwhen: and you should make sure to install he metapackages again if you removed them
[10:23] <zenwhen> ok
[10:23] <Kamion> zenwhen: if you wanted to use the CD for that purpose, you'd be better off using a current daily to minimise the diff against what's currently in the archive
[10:23] <intinig> 500px minimus is ok
[10:23] <intinig> minimum
[10:23] <vladster> she is connecting through a proxy, another pc
[10:23] <Crane> I have a partition I have all my games music and pictures installed on
[10:24] <Crane> that I want to save
[10:24] <Kamion> zenwhen: because to make it work you will need to add both the CD and archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary as apt sources
[10:24] <ogra> intinig: did it help ?
[10:24] <zenwhen> oh
[10:24] <Kamion> the CD will then basically act as a cache
[10:24] <zenwhen> upgrading is going to be incovenient for me no matter what then.
[10:24] <zenwhen> I just wont until final then.
[10:24] <intinig> ogra, yep now I can read some text :D
[10:24] <Kamion> dailies are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/, you can get somebody to download that for you
[10:24] <Crane> When I try to select use partion and save contents it gives me an error that
[10:24] <vladster> Duma there is a very powerful package installer that come with it called apt-get
[10:24] <ogra> intinig: great
[10:24] <ogra> :)
[10:25] <Kamion> a single day's churn should be tolerable even over dialup
[10:25] <Crane> it found inconsistancies and will not use the partitiion
[10:25] <vladster> it is probably the best software installer around
[10:25] <intinig> :)
[10:25] <zenwhen> Kamion,
[10:25] <Duma> k, so thats downloading too right? vladster?
[10:25] <Kamion> apt-get is much less good then the other user interfaces over apt
[10:25] <zenwhen>  hoary-install-i386.iso
[10:25] <zenwhen> ?
[10:25] <Crane> yes
[10:25] <Kamion> zenwhen: assuming you're on i386, yes
[10:25] <zenwhen> Is that what I want?
[10:25] <zenwhen> so it is like an apt mirror?
[10:25] <zenwhen> Can can be added with synaptic?
[10:26] <Kamion> should be able to, yes
[10:26] <zenwhen> And can*
[10:26] <zenwhen> cool
[10:26] <Kamion> after all the installer itself uses apt to install from the CD
[10:26] <vladster> Synaptic is a grahic installer for apt-get
[10:26] <Kamion> no
[10:26] <Crane> can I select do not use and mount it after the install
[10:26] <MacRO> i have installed ubuntu 4.10 and i have a big problem...when i start a connection whit a modem ethernet the system crashes (i can't open the applications,the home directory,..nothing)
[10:26] <Kamion> synaptic is a graphical interface to the apt library
[10:26] <etorix> apt-cdrom add
[10:26] <Kamion> apt-get is a very limited command-line interface to the apt library
[10:27] <Kamion> synaptic is not a frontend to apt-get
[10:27] <vladster> how come they share the same var space
[10:27] <Kamion> var space?
[10:27] <zenwhen> Ill leave my server on warty for now.
[10:27] <zenwhen> :P
[10:27] <Crane> maybe
[10:27] <vladster> spave in the var directory
[10:27] <Crane> ?
[10:27] <Kamion> because that's handled by the apt library, which is common to both programs
[10:28] <zenwhen> Having a caching server makes dialup so much better.
[10:28] <zenwhen> And makes me less of a burden to webmasters.
[10:28] <shampoo> Hi
[10:28] <zenwhen> :)
[10:28] <zenwhen> hi
[10:29] <shampoo> I have 1024Megs of RAM on my Thinkpad A31 and Linux/Ubuntu only sees 885. I've added the mem=1024M to Grub with no luck. Any ideas?
[10:29] <Crane> so can the partition be repaired or am I just screwed?
[10:29] <spikeb> hrm
[10:29] <zenwhen> Kamion, this dialy iso thing has sealed the deal as far as me doing an upgrade to hoary goes. Darn you. :P
[10:29] <zenwhen> daily*
[10:29] <jats> zenwhen: which country are you in? don't you have decent broadband internet connections at decent prices yet?
[10:29] <sladen> shampoo: the remainder is used for page-tables at the like
[10:29] <ironwolf> What do people use to put music on an ipod-mini with ubuntu?
[10:29] <usual> Any idea why a GTK2 theme wouldn't work?
[10:29] <zenwhen> jats: we have great broadband connections at decent prices but I do not live anywhere NEAR anyone.
[10:30] <shampoo> sladen, so that free -m reports 885 that's correct ?
[10:30] <sladen> shampoo: it's like the FAT/inode tables on a Hard disk using up 5% of the apparently available space
[10:30] <vladster> Duma, you could be turning Japanese, I really think so................
[10:30] <sladen> shampoo: correct
[10:30] <zenwhen> I love on my own land far away form any cable or dsl lines.
[10:30] <zenwhen> live*
[10:30] <shampoo> sladen, ahh cool ok thanks
[10:30] <jats> zenwhen: oh, ok
[10:30] <jats> sucks.
[10:30] <Kamion> zenwhen: heh; originally it just existed for my convenience ...
[10:30] <zenwhen> lol
[10:30] <mroth> im surprised there are still places that dont have broadband
[10:30] <jats> the dsl prices have gone down enormously over the last couple of years in finland
[10:30] <Duma> vladster, no i dont think so...
[10:31] <sladen> shampoo: never mind the 64MB of RAM that is probably being used for the video card
[10:31] <zenwhen> There are still places that dont want reasons for tons of townies to flod in.
[10:31] <bob2> shampoo: if you want to see the rest, you'll need to build a kernel with HIGHMEM enabled
[10:31] <ogra> sladen: there is a 900M limit on the 386 kernel that is not on the 686 kernel
[10:31] <vladster> teehee
[10:31] <zenwhen> flood*
[10:32] <vladster> I got a Swiss Army pen for xmas
[10:32] <spikeb> why is that limit present ?
[10:32] <Kamion> sladen: 139MB is a hell of a lot to use up on administrivia!
[10:32] <ogra> heh
[10:33] <zenwhen> because machines that cant use an i386 kernel are less likely to have that much memory, and it takes resources to be able to address more than 900MB.
[10:33] <zenwhen> I mean i686
[10:33] <GotD0t> is it possible to install windows without it messing with all my other partitions?
[10:33] <spikeb> well since the default kernel is the 386 one, it seems silly
[10:33] <ogra> GotD0t: if you got free space in the beginnig of the disk for win....
[10:34] <Kamion> spikeb: that's an artifact of how the CDs are organised
[10:34] <zenwhen> Windows will shove itself into your MBR no matter what.
[10:34] <Kamion> it's slightly tempting to shove the 686 kernel onto the CD for hoary
[10:34] <Kamion> (as well)
[10:34] <ogra> vladster, Duma: leave your hair on the head :)
[10:34] <GotD0t> zenwhen: its not the mbr im worried about... its the data
[10:34] <zenwhen> GotD0t, oh
[10:34] <zenwhen> Yeah
[10:34] <Duma> trying, trying...
[10:34] <bob2> Kamion: that's a lot of precious cd space
[10:34] <zenwhen> Windows isnt going to say "OH GOD LINUX????
[10:35] <ogra> Duma: hehe
[10:35] <mroth> they are working on that feature i hear
[10:35] <zenwhen> :P
[10:35] <Kamion> bob2: we already effectively have to reserve that space, because the powerpc CD has to have three kernels on it
[10:35] <^_Blackmoon_^> hi
[10:35] <bob2> Kamion: oooh, right
[10:35] <vladster> loud eh
[10:35] <GotD0t> zenwhen: it doesnt do it on purpose... its just too stupid to keep the data intact
[10:35] <Kamion> so I'm beginning to think we might as well do something with it, considering that it's a FAQ
[10:35] <bob2> Kamion: pmac, power4 and power5?
[10:35] <Kamion> no; powerpc, power3, power4
[10:36] <bob2> ah
[10:36] <drspin> XMMS won't launch :(
[10:36] <spikeb> you guys do an excellent job with the powerpc edition of ubuntu, i might add.
[10:36] <Kamion> we could probably lose power3, but power4's needed for G5 systems and we can't drop those on the floor
[10:36] <spikeb> it's a nice treat to the rather bare ppc linux landscape
[10:36] <Crane> A check of file system with type ext3 on partition #5 of hda showed uncorrected errors
[10:36] <Kamion> (since power3 systems generally netboot)
[10:36] <Kamion> spikeb: you're welcome
[10:36] <Duma> this download is taking forever...25% now, i hope my pc can handle such a big file
[10:36] <Crane> if you do not go back and correst these errors the partition will not be used at all
[10:37] <spikeb> Kamion, :)
[10:37] <ogra> Crane: so correct them
[10:37] <zenwhen> I'd like to see Ubuntu set up mpd by default and ask you where your music is. :) Too bad it decodes mp3. :(
[10:37] <Kamion> hm, I should stop doing installations on mental autopilot
[10:37] <Crane> ummm I can't figure out how
[10:37] <bob2> drspin: erros aboit linker inconsitencies?
[10:37] <ogra> Crane: fsck is your friend :)
[10:37] <spikeb> zenrox, im sure you can disable mp3 encoding at build time
[10:37] <Crane> fsck?
[10:37] <ogra> drspin: do you use a nvidia card ?
[10:37] <ogra> Crane: yep
[10:37] <Crane> won't that format the drive?
[10:38] <drspin> bob2: ??
[10:38] <zenwhen> yeah but then there would be little reason for mpd
[10:38] <drspin> OGRA: yep!
[10:38] <zenwhen> no one uses ogg
[10:38] <ogra> Crane: nope
[10:38] <ogra> Crane: its a filesystem check tool
[10:38] <zenwhen> Until more than one mp3 player supports it, its not worht anything.
[10:38] <spikeb> well yeah, but nobody uses ogg for rhythmbox either
[10:38] <bob2> drspin: er, are you using the nvidia binary-only nonfree drivers?
[10:38] <spikeb> heh
[10:38] <ogra> drspin: there is a bug in the nvidia driver
[10:38] <Crane> ogra: oh ok
[10:38] <ogra> drspin: that makes libmikmod necessary for xmms
[10:38] <Kamion> zenwhen: it'd certainly be useful for me, my entire jukebox is .ogg
[10:38] <bob2> drspin: there's a bug in them, install libmikmod2 to work around it
[10:38] <vladster> Does anyone remeber the website for all the website that has a detaile description of all the chat commands?
[10:38] <drspin> K thanks!
[10:38] <spikeb> most of my stuff is ogg and flac
[10:39] <ogra> drspin: look in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:39] <Pozac> Does anybody know if it's possible to boot the warty iso from an ext2 fs through only grub?
[10:39] <Crane> ogra: so I need to boot to live cd and repair or can it be done from install cd
[10:39] <spikeb> (ripped from cds i own)
[10:39] <Kamion> Pozac: I don't understand; you don't boot CDs from filesystems ...
[10:39] <Pozac> like a root (hd0,2)/file/iso.cd
[10:39] <ogra> vladster: something with freenode and faq in the url
[10:39] <Kamion> oh
[10:39] <esher>  any1 knows linux font to display ae oe etc in console window nicely ?
[10:39] <ogra> Crane: not sure about the install cd, but surely from the live cd
[10:39] <Pozac> Kamion, I'm trying to find a way to help Prasatko install Ubuntu from HD only
[10:40] <zenwhen> Ill stick with mp3 until I theres a flash based ogg player for a good price
[10:40] <zenwhen> -I
[10:40] <Kamion> Pozac: I don't think so, but there's a method in hoary for USB sticks that's adaptable to that
[10:40] <Crane> then is tha command fsck /dev/hda5 ?
[10:40] <Kamion> Pozac: you could netboot, too
[10:40] <ogra> Crane: look if fsck.ext3 is there
[10:40] <vladster> I normally use the console mode with irssi , roight now using a windows boot to move old file off of a server
[10:40] <Crane> k
[10:40] <ogra> Crane: if yes, then just use it
[10:41] <Kamion> Pozac: or, hey, in warty, take the netboot vmlinuz and initrd.gz and boot those, and then just pretend you're netbooting (so fetch everything from the network)
[10:41] <Pozac> Kamion, hmm.. in the wiki?
[10:41] <ogra> Cloudchaser: hi
[10:41] <Cloudchaser> thanks for making the wiki ogra
[10:41] <ogra> :)
[10:41] <Cloudchaser> ;)
[10:41] <Kamion> Pozac: the installation manual would seem more plausible for this
[10:41] <Cloudchaser> i was so happy to get it working! :)
[10:41] <zenwhen> ogra, you made the wiki?
[10:41] <Cloudchaser> its goofy but it works so i can live with it
[10:42] <ogra> zenwhen: i made some wiki pages, yes
[10:42] <zenwhen> No wonder you werent happy with me yesterday. :P
[10:42] <Pozac> Kamion, can he mount the iso loopback?
[10:42] <Pozac> Kamion, thanks a lot :)
[10:42] <Kamion> Pozac: yes, but not at that level
[10:42] <ogra> zenwhen: its not that... i'm happy about every good helping doc
[10:43] <vladster> if mozilla is stopped in a download process, can it be resumed?
[10:43] <ogra> zenwhen: i will make a review if i find the time and send it to the ubuntuguide guy
[10:43] <crimsun> vladster: yes
[10:44] <vladster> Duma, you guys should get a broadand router
[10:44] <Cloudchaser> ogra you were absolutely right about not doing the symlinks for the palm..they never showed up again after the first sync which is why it wouldn't sync again
[10:44] <Duma> i think we do, but with his firewall, and just the fact that it has to go though my dads pc makes it slow
[10:44] <ogra> Cloudchaser: i know ;)
[10:45] <jats> did anyone have any idea about why warty's installer won't install the base system? it tries to start the partitioner, which won't start. could it have anything to do with the fact that i enabled some swap manually earlier on in the install?
[10:45] <vladster> I guess you can pick up where you left off then
[10:45] <Cloudchaser> hehe it took me some time to see that..i'm sorry..i had seen 5 different how-tos that said to make them
[10:45] <Duma> ok, thats a good thing
[10:45] <vladster> IE won't do that
[10:46] <ogra> Cloudchaser: thats the linux 2.4 way... that worked once..... but today is 2.6 :)
[10:46] <Cloudchaser> ohhh
[10:46] <crimsun> jats: which partition is the swap partition?
[10:46] <Crane> ok I found fsck.ext3
[10:46] <GotD0t> whats the difference between a logical and a primary partition?
[10:46] <vladster> I am clearing out a 60 gig drive for ubuntu
[10:46] <jats> crimsun: hda5
[10:46] <Cloudchaser> i see...i didn't realize it was a kernel difference that made them not work the same
[10:46] <ogra> Crane: so call it with the dsvice name ....
[10:46] <Crane> entered fsck.ext3 /dev/hda5
[10:46] <Cloudchaser> linux is so tricky that way..
[10:47] <crimsun> jats: I know with the Warty prerelease that creating swap on /dev/hda1 hangs the installer; no idea if that was fixed.
[10:47] <Crane> device not found
[10:47] <ogra> Crane: hmm....
[10:47] <Cloudchaser> its what keeps people from even trying it i think...complications like that
[10:47] <Crane> y computer hate me
[10:47] <Crane> lol
[10:47] <Cloudchaser> for me..it just makes me feel stupid
[10:47] <Crane> my
[10:47] <Cloudchaser> because i can't figure things out so easily
[10:47] <jats> crane, are you on the install cd?
[10:47] <ogra> Cloudchaser: its getting better......
[10:47] <Crane> yep
[10:48] <Kamion> Cloudchaser: is the behaviour of Windows shortcuts really so different?
[10:48] <Kamion> if anything symlinks are easier ...
[10:48] <Cloudchaser> kamion its not the symlinks that is confusing
[10:48] <jabra> can anyone help me I am gettin a weird pcmcia error: pcmcia_socekt0 time out after reset
[10:48] <Cloudchaser> its the way the system changed
[10:48] <vladster> the fun thing is going to be the pulling all my personal stuff off of the SuSe boot
[10:48] <jats> Crane: then that would probably be /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 :)
[10:48] <jats> Crane: if i'm correct
[10:49] <Kamion> zenwhen: (p.s. don't bother trying to install from a daily ISO at the moment ...)
[10:49] <Cloudchaser> before you made symlinks..and it worked..now..the device is only detected when you hit the sync button then it goes away so the syms go away and are never recreated
[10:49] <crimsun> neat, xine-lib 1.0 is finally released.
[10:49] <jats> Crane: check out ls in /dev, the devices are named differently on the install cd than in a installed system
[10:49] <vladster> gtg, kids system needs help
[10:50] <Kamion> jats: /dev/discs/ is easier to cope with than the full-blown /dev/ide/blah nightmare
[10:50] <jats> Kamion: ahh, seems like.
[10:51] <jats> Kamion: any idea why won't the partitioner start with the pre-enabled swap?
[10:52] <jats> or can i install the base system without starting the partitioner at all
[10:53] <jats> from the console, or something
[10:53] <drspin> is there a way to make XMMS read track number tags?
[10:53] <crimsun> drspin: it already does.
[10:53] <Crane> jats: that was it
[10:54] <drspin> crimsun - how can I sort a playlist by album where all the tracks are in order
[10:54] <Crane> after running command it took less that a second to complete
[10:54] <Crane> does that sound right?
[10:54] <crimsun> drspin: it should do that be default when you load it, why?
[10:54] <crimsun> drspin: what format are these files?
[10:54] <drspin> mp3
[10:54] <ogra> Crane no messages =
[10:54] <ogra> ?
[10:54] <jats> Crane: /dev/discs/disc0/part5 is an easier path btw, as Kamion pointed out :P
[10:55] <crimsun> drspin: and id3info/id3v2 -l/mp3info tells you they have track # tags?
[10:55] <Crane> lol now you tell me
[10:55] <Crane> :)
[10:55] <crimsun> drspin: note that you can sort in such a manner
[10:55] <jats> sorry crane :>
[10:56] <drspin> crimsun IDSv2 and I added the track tags myself
[10:56] <Kamion> jats: no idea
[10:56] <crimsun> drspin: should be sorted when you load
[10:56] <Kamion> sorry, I probably should know, but I haven't done much lowmem work
[10:56] <jats> Kamion: hrhm, soon you'll have to sell me some memory for my old thinkpad :P
[10:59] <jats> hm
[10:59] <Pozac> 64 MB's of IBM SO-DIMM PC100
[10:59] <jats> Pozac: thinking of visiting Finland anytime soon?-)
[11:00] <ogra> jats: what will you do with this system, once you installed btw ?
[11:00] <Pozac> jats, not quite :)
[11:00] <Pozac> jats, beware when you buy memory though
[11:00] <kebac> jats: finland rules
[11:00] <Pozac> I have an X21 with a 64mb soldered in and a 256mb stick of which it only finds 128
[11:01] <Pozac> :/
[11:01] <dud> the weirdest little thing happened a while ago
[11:01] <spikeb> i need to get myself a laptop :)
[11:01] <dud> ubuntu suddendly popped up a message saying there were pictures in my webcam
[11:01] <dud> well, digi/webcam
[11:01] <dud> i didnt think it registered it
[11:01] <Blackwell> dud: someone is spying on you
[11:01] <ogra> dud: after you plugged in ?
[11:01] <dud> but i clicked download anyhow, and it just did nothing
[11:01] <tsw> my thinkpad ubuntu install just crashed yesterday.. new kernel smashed pcmcia
[11:02] <ogra> dud: its supposed to do
[11:02] <jats> ogra: play music over wlan
[11:02] <dud> ogra, nah it came me doing some apt stuff
[11:02] <jats> ogra: and irc.
[11:02] <dud> and apt restarted some dmon
[11:02] <spikeb> gotta build myself a new desktop first
[11:02] <dud> something with pt* something
[11:02] <ogra> dud: hal
[11:02] <ogra> dud:  pmount
[11:02] <dud> yeah
[11:03] <ogra> dud: they are a team with dbus
[11:03] <dud> in paraolympics?
[11:03] <ogra> dud: and care for the automounting stuff etc
[11:03] <dud> heh, its not working as far as i can see :P
[11:03] <jats> ogra: i have my desktop machines in another room than my stereo and bed, so i'm going to try to build a system to play mp3's over wlan with the thinkpad connected to my stereo in my bedroom, and send audioscrobbler stats to the net :)
[11:03] <ogra> jats: ah, great setup :)
[11:04] <dud> now it came again
[11:04] <dud> after i press import nothing happens
[11:04] <ogra> dud: your cam probably isnt supported by gphoto..... i can help out....
[11:04] <davmor2> gmplayer is playing up when the alsa mixer is selected does any one know why
[11:04] <jats> ogra: there are a few problems, such as the wlan cards, drivers and ndiswrapper, and installing ubuntu on the low-mem thinkpad :P but i'll try
[11:04] <dud> its almost sortof supported
[11:04] <ogra> dud: http://www.grawert.net/software/pimp/
[11:04] <dud> i got it working in slackware after like... 4 days of fiddling
[11:04] <ogra> dud: try this, its for such cameras
[11:05] <dud> wait, now something happened...
[11:05] <jats> tsw: wanna sell one thinkpad so-dimm? :)
[11:05] <dud> weird, because nothing happened the last time hehe
[11:05] <davmor2> and is there a driver for a hp R707 camera
[11:05] <tsw> jats: not really, but if I can find bigger maybe then..
[11:05] <ogra> dud: is it a canon ?
[11:05] <jats> hmhm
[11:06] <dud> nope, creative pc-cam600
[11:06] <dud> gthumb can use it just fine
[11:06] <ogra> dud: ah, ok
[11:06] <ogra> dud: great
[11:06] <dud> every libghoto2 frontend *but* gphoto2 itself can use it
[11:06] <spikeb> HEH
[11:06] <dud> +p
[11:06] <spikeb> how amusing
[11:07] <kipod> did some here secceded to run bittornado ?
[11:07] <dud> i did
[11:07] <ogra> davmor2: http://gphoto.sourceforge.net/proj/libgphoto2/support.php
[11:08] <dud> but i cant find any torrents that isnt overloaded today kipod
[11:08] <dud> not movies anyhow
[11:08] <kipod> dud,  what have u done after u have installed it ( via the aptget )
[11:09] <kipod> on my machien i can't even run it  ( when i try to doble click on a torrent file it does not lunch bittorrent )
[11:10] <spikeb> i would love to have a real router that didnt suck
[11:10] <spikeb> so i could use BT
[11:10] <spikeb> heh
[11:12] <jats> anyone else in Finland have any old ibm thinkpad memory lying around?
[11:12] <jats> (long shot :>)
[11:12] <ogra> jats: tried ebay ?
[11:13] <jats> not yet, newsgroups either
[11:13] <jats> probably i can find some
[11:15] <Nivlem> How does one set the NFS server name?
[11:17] <ogra> Nivlem: this normally is the ip or fqdn .... there is no nfs server name afaik
[11:17] <tritium> I don't get any volume out of xine.
[11:17] <Nivlem> ogra: Greets..and thanks...hmmm..can't seem to mount the nfs share..
[11:17] <tritium> Do I need to kill esound server?
[11:17] <ogra> Nivlem: have you adjusted the portmap setup loke the wiki suggests ?
[11:18] <ogra> like
[11:18] <Nivlem> Yes that was the wiki I followed...took out the -i 127.<blah>
[11:18] <ogra> Nivlem: and restarted portmap ?
[11:18] <Nivlem> ogra: and restarted the portmap service
[11:18] <ogra> k
[11:19] <ogra> your exports file is set up right ?
[11:19] <Nivlem> I am connecting from a mac(client) to Ubuntu(PC), yes when I restarted nfs-kernel-blah it didn't complain
[11:19] <jats> i have a quick "stupid question" i couldn't find in the faqs and howtos: how do i make the samba services start automatically at boot? shouldn't they?
[11:20] <ogra> Nivlem: but you have added exports in the exports file ?
[11:20] <Nivlem> ogra: Yes that is correct
[11:20] <ogra> hmm
[11:20] <ogra> works here
[11:20] <Nivlem> ogra: /media/hda5/Music       UbuntuHP,MacG4(rw,sync)
[11:21] <ogra> <IP_ADDRESS>:/mnt/hda2        /mnt/rohrwerk   nfs     rsize=8192,wsize=8192,rw,user,noauto    0       0
[11:21] <ogra> Nivlem: <IP_ADDRESS> is my server
[11:21] <jats> samba is in /etc/init.d and there is a K09samba in /etc/rc2.d/ that is a symlink to /etc/init.d/samba... should that be S09samba, or what?
[11:22] <ogra> Nivlem: thats in the client fstab.....
[11:22] <Nivlem> ogra: Ok...I can ping the hosts name for both..one to the other..
[11:23] <Nivlem> ogra: What about from command line? I guess mount -tnfs /media/hda5/Music /wherever on the client?
[11:24] <ogra> Nivlem: mount -t nfs -o rw <IP_ADDRESS>:/mnt/hda2  /mnt/rohrwerk would it be for me
[11:24] <ogra> Nivlem: /mnt/rohrwerk is the local mountpoint
[11:25] <Cloudchaser> jats samba starts for me automatically at boot
[11:25] <Cloudchaser> i dont think i had to do anything to it to make it start auto though
[11:25] <Nivlem> ogra: Ok...I was just looking at my /Volumes on my mac(default mount dir)..I already see UbuntuPC listed(this is the name of the nfs server...says it is auto disk mounted...hmm
[11:27] <ogra> Nivlem: heh, macos
[11:27] <Nivlem> ogra: Nope..darwin on OS X BSD layer
[11:29] <ogra> jats: it should be an S in rc2.d yep
[11:30] <ogra> jats: did you already install samba ?
[11:30] <jats> sure. :)
[11:30] <jats> it works fine, it just has to be started manually each boot
[11:30] <Pozac> hmm
[11:30] <ogra> jats: normally services you install should start automatically on boot
[11:30] <jats> yep
[11:31] <Pozac> ls /etc/rc2.d/*samba
[11:31] <Pozac> does that give anything?
[11:31] <ogra> jats: at least in the init scripts....its up to the server not to start up if its misconfigured, so this is strange
[11:31] <jats> pozac,
[11:31] <ogra> Pozac: yep, a K09
[11:31] <jats> 00:21:46 < jats> samba is in /etc/init.d and there is a K09samba in /etc/rc2.d/ that is a symlink to /etc/init.d/samba... should that be S09samba, or what?
[11:32] <Pozac> doh, sorry
[11:32] <jats> np :)
[11:32] <jats> ogra: it starts if i run /etc/init.d/samba start
[11:32] <jats> ogra: and works
[11:32] <ogra> jats: sure
[11:32] <Pozac> I have a S20samba
[11:32] <jats> ogra: and it started after i installed it, but not after the first boot
[11:32] <ogra> jats: but it doesnt start on boot with a K
[11:32] <jats> ok ok so i'll fix it :)
[11:32] <Pozac> K is stop at shutdown?
[11:32] <jats> but shouldn't the install automatically make it a S?
[11:32] <ogra> just mv the symlink ;)
[11:33] <jats> yep
[11:33] <bob2> K is kill, yeah
[11:33] <bob2> the install would have put a symlink in rc2 frfor you
[11:33] <ogra> jats: thats what i'm ranting about ;)
[11:33] <jats> hehe
[11:33] <jats> we have serious communication problems :>
[11:33] <jats> all of us
[11:34] <spikeb> i just stay quiet.
[11:34] <spikeb> :)
[11:34] <ogra> jats: heh....we speak english (more or less)
[11:34] <Pozac> I'm legally excused
[11:34] <ogra> Pozac: just because your danish...nah
[11:34] <Pozac> aww
[11:35] <ogra> no excuse
[11:35] <jats> let's all speak esperanto.
[11:35] <Pozac> because I'm lame and miss a lot of communication (mine and others) then ?
[11:35] <ogra> hmm
[11:35] <ogra> jats: what about klingon ?
[11:35] <jats> :>
[11:35] <jats> btw, what does this mean in the installer:
[11:36] <jats> Linux kernel modules needed to drive some of your hardware are not available yet, blah blah... ide-mod (Linux IDE driver), ide-probe-mod (Linux IDE probe driver), ide-detect (Linux IDE detection), ide-floppy (Linux IDE floppy)
[11:36] <jats> (expert mode install)
[11:37] <ogra> no idea....
[11:38] <ogra> missing modules...
[11:38] <jats> "missing linux ide driver" doesn't sound all that good :)
[11:38] <Pozac> hmmm
[11:38] <ogra> jats: can you modprobe them ?
[11:39] <jats> i'm starting to think there's something wrong with this damn thinkpad :)
[11:39] <spacey`ki> if you have a local network with ubuntu workstations. and you want to maintain/update them remotely etc. is there a tool to do this on somewhat larger scale?
[11:40] <ogra> jats: does modprobe ide-mod give errors ?
[11:40] <jats> yep, FATAL: Module ide_mod not found.
[11:40] <ogra> jats: could be the cause for the partitioner issue
[11:40] <ogra> jats: no disk no fun....
[11:40] <jats> :>
[11:41] <jats> yep
[11:41] <Pozac> spacey`ki, cron?
[11:41] <jats> but i can enable the swap
[11:41] <Pozac> spacey`ki, like a daily apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[11:41] <jats> and it seems to work
[11:41] <jats> so...
[11:41] <Pozac> spacey`ki, or do you want like a one-terminal-for-all-workstations tool?
[11:41] <Crane> ok I'm back
[11:42] <Crane> tried fsck and still no luck
[11:42] <jats> what if I'd grab another beer, maybe it would make the installation easier?-)
[11:42] <ogra> jats: sounds good :)
[11:42] <Crane> that swhat I need
[11:42] <spacey`ki> never heard of one terminal for all workstations tool. but i would like some too to easily check which machines are online and if they are OK. and if possible check which software versions they are running. and if wanted run an update and upgrade
[11:42] <DigiKill> weeeee....thats highly annoying...
[11:43] <ogra> Crane: didnt fsck correct the errors ?
[11:43] <Pozac> spacey`ki, I would set them to update daily via cron
[11:44] <spacey`ki> hmz
[11:45] <Pozac> and ping to check if they're ok
[11:45] <Pozac> I've never done such a thing, you could try looking at http://freshmeat.net
[11:45] <Crane> nope
[11:45] <DigiKill> SMP Kernel Question : i perform a  "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and get only 1 processor listed.....tho i have the 2.6 image/headers marked as installed...have rebooted Twice.....any thoughts?
[11:45] <spacey`ki> maybe i can use nagios or something
[11:46] <Crane> I tried everything
[11:46] <Pozac> yeah
[11:46] <Crane> gonna try another distro to see if I have the same frobs
[11:46] <Pozac> it's in the universe repository
[11:47] <Crane> could the partittion be mounted after the istall is complete?
[11:47] <ogra> DigiKill: mind to post your cat /proc/cpuinfo output to #flood ?
[11:47] <ogra> Crane:  sure
[11:47] <jats> hmhm
[11:48] <Crane> maybe I could finish install the change fstab to mount the patition in /usr/local/games
[11:48] <DigiKill> ogra: sure...one sec
[11:48] <ogra> Crane: yep
[11:48] <jats> i wonder if there's something wrong with the cd-rom drive
[11:48] <ogra> Crane: or /mnt/games
[11:48] <jats> and that's the reason it can't find some modules
[11:48] <jats> and that's the reason it can't start the partitioner
[11:49] <jats> can ubuntu be easily installed from a usb hard drive or usb cdrom?
[11:49] <jats> i could try that tomorrow, borrow one of those from work
[11:49] <Pozac> usb cdrom perhaps
[11:50] <Pozac> not sure though
[11:50] <ogra> DigiKill: sorry, no idea ..... should work me thinks
[11:50] <sivang> hi all, using hoary
[11:50] <jats> hmh, i'll go to sleep
[11:50] <ogra> heh
[11:51] <sivang> what is the current way to go about installing drivers for snd-intl-i810 ?
[11:51] <jats> thanks to everyone who's helped
[11:51] <sivang> I am thinking of maybe installing discover,
[11:51] <spikeb> hoary is quite nice, although still buggy (obviously)
[11:51] <sivang> but then apt-get tells me it would have to remove ubuntu-desktop....
[11:51] <ogra> sivang: you shouldnt do that.... could interfere with hotplug as they do the same
[11:52] <Pozac> sivang, try modprobe snd-intel8x0
[11:52] <DigiKill> ogra: thanx for takin a look at it....i'll get it figured out im sure :S
[11:52] <Pozac> sudo modprobe :)
[11:52] <sivang> ogra: I know, but I used to have them both on sid and they would co exist nicely.
[11:52] <sivang> Pozac: right! how come I didn't think of that ? :)
[11:52] <ogra> DigiKill: if it worked befor, sure.... i'm just not this good in ppc....else i probably could have had a good guess or such
[11:53] <ogra> sivang: is the sid version as integrated as in ubuntu ?
[11:53] <esher>  hmm, my x-console cannot display umlauts correctly, any idea ?
[11:53] <Pozac> sivang, if you uncomment the bash-completion parts of either your ~/.bashrc or /etc/bash.bashrc you can tab-complete the arguments to modprobe?
[11:54] <Pozac> eh minus the ?
[11:54] <ogra> esher: set the locale right ?
[11:54] <crimsun> Pozac: yes, after rehashing ~/.bshrc
[11:54] <crimsun> ~/.bashrc rather
[11:54] <esher> jo
[11:54] <DigiKill> ogra: its rough when i get 3 diff. Choices w. kernels and headers....lol....power3 / power4 / and powerpc :S
[11:54] <Pozac> crimsun, right :)
[11:54] <esher> in other apps, like xchat or xterm, it works
[11:54] <ogra> DigiKill: power4 is confusingly for G5
[11:55] <ogra> DigiKill: powerpc should be the right one for you
[11:55] <DigiKill> ogra: thats what i was using...gonna try the Power4 this time
[11:55] <ogra> esher: on warty or hoary ?
[11:55] <esher> warty
[11:55] <esher> i mean
[11:55] <esher> downloaded iso 10/04
[11:55] <ogra> DigiKill: uuh, no  i dont think this works
[11:56] <kayali> hi there
[11:56] <Pozac> hi
[11:56] <usual> hi
[11:56] <ogra> esher: yep got the same here on ths machine, but i switched it to utf8
[11:56] <ogra> esher: no probs so far
[11:56] <usual> what exactly is the big deal about utf 8
[11:57] <Pozac> two bytes per char
[11:57] <ogra> usual: it supports all languages
[11:57] <Pozac> roughly
[11:57] <usual> oh
[11:57] <esher> how can i do this
[11:57] <stuNNed> it is _universal_ ?
[11:57] <ogra> Pozac: three for some :)
[11:57] <esher> simple :D
[11:57] <Pozac> ogra, oh my
[11:57] <Pozac> ogra, do I just use da_DK_utf8 or what?
[11:57] <ogra> esher: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:57] <ogra> Pozac: yep
[11:58] <submax> is there an italian user?????
[11:59] <ogra> submax: tried #ubuntu-it ?
[11:59] <submax> ok thank you!!!


[20:19] <waldo323__> my google skills are failing me, i'm looking for a way to convert wav files to a lower bitrate and keep them as wav files to reduce the space they are taking up. if it isn't possible we can go the route of changing to a different format but thats not whats been requested
[20:20] <waldo323__> anyone here have advice or examples? my initial thought was to use ffmpeg but when i tried what i thought was the correct command for lowing the bitrate, it did not work
[20:23] <cmaloney> sox might be the way to do, but what you're looking for is sample rate
[20:23] <cmaloney> or a combination of the two
[20:24] <cmaloney> that said, be sure you want to do this. It can really damage the audio quality and lead to some unpleasant effects if done improperly
[20:27] <waldo323__> yeah, the idea is to backup/archive originals and keep something we can understand
[20:27] <cmaloney> The Speex codec is really good for this
[20:27] <cmaloney> and is OSS
[20:28] <waldo323__> also needs to be natively accessible on windows :-\
[20:29] <waldo323__> converting from wav to flac was around a 60% improvement, mp3 was a better size but definite drop in quality but was still understandable
[20:30] <cmaloney> https://www.speex.org/samples/
[20:31] <waldo323__> oh neat
[20:35] <waldo323__> thanks, i'll see where this gets me- i think the right track
[20:37] <cmaloney> np
[20:37] <cmaloney> Note that the samples on that site are still .wav files
[20:37] <cmaloney> but the quality for speech is really impressive
[20:39] <waldo323__> I saw that note and i was hoping to see what they used to do that :)
[20:43] <cmaloney> heh
[20:56] <waldo323__> for some of the files we have them created from multiple sources and one is using a bit rate of 128k and the other is 13k and the 128k bit rate files are using tons of space
[20:59] <cmaloney> mp3 or wav file?
[21:00] <waldo323__> that reads less clearly than i'd like.  some audio files are the same audio but created from difference sources so there are duplicates of some of these but the higher bitrate files use a lot of space
[21:00] <waldo323__> they are all wav
[21:00] <cmaloney> Yeah, because .wav isn't compressed
[21:01] <waldo323__> the higher bit rate files are encoded 16-bit Signed Integer PCM and the smaller are gsm
[21:01] <cmaloney> it's the same as running reel-to-reel tape at 1/4" vs 2" per second
[21:01] <cmaloney> That's why I'm recommending not using wav files
[21:01] <cmaloney> because you're going to get more compression with something like mp3 or flac
[21:02] <cmaloney> and you're not going to have to fiddle with .wav settings (which can make files that are unreadable)
[21:02] <cmaloney> a 64kbps mp3 file with VBR mono should suffice for archive.
[21:03] <waldo323__> i agree with and like your logic.
[21:07] <waldo323__> i was strongly encouraged to keep the filename the same
[21:07] <waldo323__> which was the wrench i didn't want
[21:58] <cmaloney> that is unfortunate
[21:58] <cmaloney> because it means losing data is going to be easier
[22:38] <jrwren> mp3 is 30yr old tech at this point.
[22:38] <jrwren> AAC would be a much better choice IMO.  only 20yr old tech ;)
[23:50] <cmaloney> Only Apple fanboys recommend AAC. ;)


[22:44] <t-dog> hello, just installed budgie and I love it, so far. the top panel bar is overtop my windows and i can't minimize/maximize windows cus the top panel is in the freaken way.