[03:22] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:22] <astronut> !touchpad
[03:22] <ubotu> No idea, astronut
[03:22] <david> I have a ati mobility radeon 9700
[03:23] <Madpilot> david: see the URL that ubotu just posted, probably...
[03:23] <david> ya ubuntu
[03:23] <david> I have done this 2 times and it dont work
[03:23] <Madpilot> just changed ubotu's entry on itself...
[03:23] <Madpilot> !ubotu
[03:23] <ubotu> well, ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!
[03:24] <danielcj> benplaut, LaTeX is a software which allows you to create professional documents... and you don't need to worry about  appearance... wanna know more?
[03:24] <bojangles> ubotu, what did you do get eggdrop out of synaptic
[03:24] <ubotu> bojangles: I don't know
[03:24] <tritium> benplaut, I use it daily.  If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
[03:24] <cafuego> bojangles: eggdrop is in universe or multiverse.
[03:24] <nickrud> !synaptics
[03:24] <bojangles> ubotu, seems like every channel wants to play with their bots
[03:24] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, nickrud
[03:24] <ubotu> bojangles: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:25] <david> I get an error saying only 2d acceloration is enabled
[03:25] <bojangles> ubotu, they have one in ##hurd also
[03:25] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, bojangles
[03:25] <Madpilot> !synaptic
[03:25] <ubotu> I guess synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[03:25] <cafuego> You can play with ubotu on #debian-bots
[03:27] <nickrud> cafuego, is there an easy way to add an alias to an ubotu factoid?
[03:27] <david> do I need to use xfree86?
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> !lvm
[03:27] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: No idea
[03:27] <cafuego> nickrud: There's a way to do reference ones, I think. Let me check.
[03:27] <rg58sma> someone wanna helpme with chown
[03:27] <GhostFreeman> Can anyone give me a hand with enabling 3D Rendering for a Voodoo 3
[03:27] <sproingie> david: do you have the kernel module installed?
[03:28] <david> whitch one
[03:28] <david> xfree?
[03:28] <sproingie> david: for ati
[03:28] <tritium> rg58sma, you were asking earlier about giving a new user sudo priveleges.  Did you end up adding that user to the admin group?
[03:28] <david> oh the ati modual
[03:28] <sproingie> lsmod | grep fgl
[03:28] <david> no
[03:29] <david> modprobe fgl?
[03:29] <sproingie> you need that
[03:29] <sproingie> fglrx actually
[03:29] <sproingie> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[03:30] <rg58sma> yes
[03:30] <david> ok
[03:30] <david> one sec
[03:30] <sproingie> actually it looks like the version and name are in the module
[03:30] <sproingie> search for it with aptitude or synaptic and install the appropriate package for your kernel
[03:30] <sproingie> s/module/package/
[03:30] <david> E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules
[03:30] <rg58sma> have a litle problem with ln -sf
[03:31] <nickrud> cafuego, I need to log off, if you don't mind, I'll ask again later
[03:31] <tritium> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r), sproingie
[03:31] <cafuego> nickrud: np
[03:31] <robert_pectol> sproingie:   I have the same issue with a Microsoft Elite Wireless keyboard and mouse... just use the setkeycodes command to assign them to unused/available slots...  won't give you any functionality but it'll keep the kernel from complaining and your /var/log/messages won't grow un-necessarily large with unrecognized keycodes messages...
[03:31] <sproingie> robert_pectol: it logs them?  wowsers.
[03:31] <david> sproingie: sympatic says it is installed
[03:32] <robert_pectol> sproingie:   I just added them to the /etc/keymap.sh script so that they get assigned automatically...
[03:32] <rg58sma> anyone
[03:32] <tritium> david, good.  It should have been
[03:32] <sproingie> robert_pectol: i have no such script in /etc actually
[03:32] <tritium> rg58sma, you never answered me...
[03:32] <david> sproingie: what now
[03:33] <apollo2011> I am trying to add my Palm Tungsten T to the PalmOS devices list and I am not sure what port it is.  I looked in the messages log and it is apparently on USB1 but I don't know the location of that in /dev.    Either way, you can put them in any of the init scripts...
[03:33] <david> 2.6.10
[03:33] <sproingie> robert_pectol: i am, but don't have such a script
[03:33] <robert_pectol> sproingie:   I see...
[03:33] <snackalot> dose anyone know of a program for tuning your guitar
[03:34] <sproingie> david: ok, did you just install the package?  try insmod fglrx
[03:34] <robotgeek> cafuego: don't insult my brethren!
[03:35] <david> sproingie: it has bean installed 4 a while and the out put of insmod fglrx is  can't read 'fglrx': No such file or directory
[03:35] <konki> is the X.org an OS like Ubuntu with a windows like environment... can it run microsoft programs?
[03:35] <cafuego> konki: no.
[03:35] <benplaut> robotgeek:   :)
[03:35] <apollo2011> someone plz help me
[03:35] <tritium> david, what are you trying to do?
[03:35] <cafuego> konki: X.org is a GUI display system for Linux (and BSD and UNIX)
[03:35] <david> get 3d acceleration working
[03:35] <cafuego> konki: it has nothing to do with MS Windows.
[03:35] <benplaut> apollo2011: try asking at www.ubuntuforums.com
[03:35] <bojangles> konki, no...basically X is a server that supports some graphics drawing routines....along with one or several X client to access it
[03:36] <tritium> david, and you followed this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[03:36] <rg58sma> hii
[03:36] <david> yes but didnt work
[03:36] <apollo2011> benplaut: I could...i've gone on there before
[03:36] <rg58sma> i wanna make permition to fat32 unit
[03:36] <konki> is it worth upgrading or setting up X??
[03:36] <konki> on my PC
[03:36] <sproingie> ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko
[03:36] <sproingie> er
[03:36] <sproingie> david: ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko
[03:36] <sproingie> david: that show anything?
[03:36] <benplaut> apollo2011: go ahead and ask there... alot more people will see your question ;)
[03:36] <tritium> david, which part failed?
[03:37] <bojangles> konki, there is nothing really unique about it.....and there is a y-server to compete with it....but most apps have been ported to X which makes it popular
[03:37] <tha_gamemaster> has anyone installed transcode from the tree without errors? i'm still using warty.
[03:37] <david> No such file or directory
[03:37] <tritium> david, modinfo fglrx fails?
[03:37] <david> DRI initialization failed
[03:37] <sproingie> david: you don't actually have the module.  sure you have the restricted-modules package for your kernel?
[03:38] <david> I will check again
[03:38] <sproingie> david: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[03:38] <teferi> tritium: insert nag about testing evo-mail-notify to see if it works
[03:38] <teferi> tritium: also, pull the new version, same url
[03:39] <tritium> teferi, can you please provide the URL to me again?  :)
[03:39] <teferi> sure
[03:39] <teferi> http://wmute.net/~teferi/evo-mail-notify.py
[03:39] <david> I am using sympatic
[03:39] <tritium> david, what does "uname -r" tell you?
[03:39] <teferi> now supports newer versions of dbus than even breezy has
[03:39] <david> synaptic
[03:40] <bojangles> konki, now MS plays a different game....they put the graphics devices in the kernel instead of having it as an external server add-on to the kernel
[03:40] <david> 2.6.10-5-386
[03:40] <teferi> bojangles: it's been that way since NT4...
[03:40] <tritium> david, "sudo apt-get install linux-386" then, to pull in the restricted modules package
[03:40] <teferi> it's not really "different" anymore
[03:40] <bojangles> konki, but either way you have some graphics drawing primitives at your disposal.
[03:40] <tritium> david, you might also want to try linux-686 if you have a newer processor
[03:41] <tritium> thanks, teferi
[03:41] <teferi> no problem
[03:41] <david> ok
[03:41] <david> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 is already the newest version
[03:41] <teferi> you need python-gnome2, python-gnome2-dev, python-gnome2-extras, python-gnome2-extras-dev, python2.4-dbus
[03:41] <tritium> davidf, good
[03:41] <rg58sma> what is this script???
[03:41] <tritium> teferi, it would be nice if it didn't depend on -dev packages
[03:41] <teferi> rg58sma: my thing?
[03:41] <david> ok so I am getting to kernel now
[03:41] <teferi> tritium: the not -dev packages don't actually have anything in them
[03:41] <teferi> check dpkg -L
[03:42] <flodine> hello
[03:42] <rg58sma> yes
[03:42] <teferi> just the /usr/share/doc entries
[03:42] <Marble2> is there a good video editor out there I can use? I want to cut part out of the middle of a video clip
[03:42] <teferi> rg58sma: it's a script that sticks an indicator in your system tray when evolution says it has new mail
[03:42] <teferi> tritium: this is probably a bug
[03:42] <snackalot> can anyone tell me wich lib i need rof mp3 on music player
[03:42] <rg58sma> ok works with yahoo??''
[03:43] <teferi> rg58sma: no, it works with evolution
[03:43] <teferi> imap, pop3, whatever else it does
[03:43] <rg58sma> ok
[03:43] <rg58sma> i have yahoo
[03:43] <konki> ok thanks bojangles...
[03:43] <tritium> snackalot, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:44] <david> after apt-get install linux-386 I do a apt-get dist-upgrade right?
[03:44] <teferi> tritium: i dare say that that link needs to be more prominently placed
[03:44] <teferi> i think it's the most frequently asked FAQ
[03:44] <snackalot> thanks A
[03:44] <rg58sma> how to install it??
[03:45] <tritium> teferi, yeah, so does the RootSudo one
[03:45] <teferi> rg58sma: install the packages i mentioned a few lines back and then make it executable and run it
[03:45] <tritium> and the BinaryFormats one
[03:45] <teferi> aye
[03:45] <tritium> I mean BinaryDriverHowto
[03:46] <rg58sma> what packages
[03:47] <david> after "apt-get install linux-386" do I just restart
[03:47] <rg58sma> python-gnome2, python-gnome2-dev, python-gnome2-extras, python-gnome2-extras-dev, python2.4-dbus
[03:48] <tritium> david, again, you may wish to try linux-686.  Also, what part fails when you follow the BinaryDriverHowto?
[03:49] <teferi> rg58sma: aye
[03:49] <david> it all works it just has no effect..... in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log it says DRI initialization failed
[03:49] <david> I am now trying 686
[03:50] <tritium> david, can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin?
[03:50] <david> pastebin?
[03:50] <rg58sma> sh evo.......
[03:50] <teferi> python evo...
[03:50] <teferi> it's python
[03:51] <tritium> !pastebin
[03:51] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[03:51] <rg58sma> that its all??
[03:51] <teferi> aye
[03:51] <david> should I send it 2 you
[03:52] <tritium> david, no, please see the above URL for pastebin
[03:54] <david> ok it is done
[03:54] <nameless1> can someone tell me how to get my kernel version thru the console ?
[03:54] <tritium> nameless1, uname -r
[03:55] <bimberi> teferi: I've installed the script (and the packages) and have it running, sent myself an email.  Nothing appears in the Notification Area of the gnome panel
[03:55] <teferi> bimberi: Wait until evolution acknowledges that you have new mail
[03:55] <teferi> Also, you need evolution-plugins installed...
[03:55] <mindamp> how do i add something to startup?
[03:55] <bimberi> teferi: k
[03:55] <mindamp> like mount -t smbfs  yada yada yada
[03:56] <teferi> bimberi: sorry, i should have mentioned that
[03:56] <mindamp> hello?
[03:57] <david> sorry made misstack did it again
[03:57] <kokl> is anybody here?
[03:57] <michaeln> Does anyone know if the netgear wg121 usb wireless adapter is supported?
[03:57] <kokl> do u guys support suse 9.3?
[03:57] <mindamp> no
[03:57] <mindamp> go away
[03:57] <kokl> lol
[03:57] <mindamp> #ubuntu
[03:57] <tritium> mindamp, be nice
[03:57] <kokl> i thought its all alike
[03:57] <mindamp> could someone help me with startup scripts?
[03:58] <tritium> kokl, it's rather different.  Sorry...
[03:58] <kokl> thansk anyway
[03:58] <mindamp> try #suse
[03:58] <kokl> i did
[03:58] <mindamp> startup scripts...
[03:58] <kokl> no response
[03:58] <bimberi> teferi: np whatsoever - can't find an package called "evolution-plugins" though
[03:58] <mindamp> whats your problem
[03:58] <teferi> bimberi: moment
[03:58] <david> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/315941
[03:59] <kokl> do u know wat is compile?
[03:59] <teferi> bimberi: if you go to edit->plugins in evo, what do you see?
[03:59] <teferi> if it's not under edit, it may be somewhere else; this is breezy evo
[03:59] <synd> any reason that irssi and xterm not work well?
[03:59] <synd> ie. the alt+num doesnt work
[03:59] <tritium> mindamp, to add a startup script, you should use update-rc.d
[03:59] <mindamp> yes i know what compile is
[03:59] <kokl> is that a command?
[03:59] <kokl> or a program?
[04:00] <mindamp> neither
[04:00] <mindamp> its a word
[04:00] <kokl> a word that is a command?
[04:00] <mindamp> tritium.. so if i wanted to add "bashscript" to startup...
[04:00] <synd> anyone?
[04:00] <mindamp> what would be the structure...
[04:00] <benplaut> compiling is taking a lump of code and re-organizing it into a program
[04:00] <benplaut> can anyone explain better?
[04:01] <tritium> kokl, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler
[04:01] <bimberi> teferi: Tools -> Manage Plugins (Evo <IP_ADDRESS> - I'm using hoary).  Lots of things - all enabled
[04:01] <tritium> mindamp, check the manpage for update-rc.d
[04:01] <david> well.. it is to translate code from human readable to computer readable
[04:01] <benplaut> homer2, i beleive that was actually 0:4:4   ;)
[04:01] <teferi> bimberi: Is the "NEw Mail Notification" thing among them?
[04:02] <teferi> That's the thing that puts messages on D-Bus
[04:02] <teferi> tritium: incidentially, did it work for you?
[04:02] <bimberi> teferi: Yes - I can see "New Mail Notification" which is enabled
[04:02] <Madpilot> anyone know how to get Adobe Postscript fonts (.pfm format) to be selectable in OpenOffice? the OOo IRC is dead, dead, dead...
[04:02] <teferi> bimberi: hm...it should be working, then...
[04:03] <teferi> bimberi: run 'dbus-monitor' from another terminal and send yourself another mail
[04:03] <teferi> wait for it to show up in evo
[04:03] <tritium> teferi, sorry, haven't tried yet
[04:03] <teferi> you should see a 'Newmail' signal in dbus-monitor, and the indicator should show up in your tray
[04:03] <bimberi> teferi: k
[04:04] <foursti> when is breezy going to go into software freeze
[04:04] <teferi> when it's ready.
[04:04] <foursti> theres a date i believe
[04:04] <foursti> its not random
[04:04] <ColonelKernel> lol I posted a fix to fedora's weak ass kernel handling, I stopped using the distro a couple of weeks ago and I just got an email they fixed the documentation...
[04:04] <teferi> dates have been known to be flexible
[04:05] <ColonelKernel> you have to go through a BUNCH of nonsense to get yourself a decent kernel out of their kernel.src.rp,s
[04:05] <ColonelKernel> rpms
[04:05] <bimberi> teferi: hm - nothing seen in the dbus monitor - however I'm manually getting mail by clicking "Send/Receive".
[04:06] <bimberi> teferi: I'll try shortening the "check for email" interval and leave it alone
[04:06] <teferi> bimberi: has the mail shown up in your inbox?
[04:06] <teferi> if it shows up in your inbox, it should emit the signal
[04:06] <teferi> if that isn't happening, something beyond my control is going on
[04:07] <bimberi> teferi: it did - after I clicked "Send / Receive"
[04:07] <teferi> grr
[04:07] <teferi> i wonder if that's a bug in hoary's evolution
[04:07] <tritium> foursti, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar
[04:08] <bimberi> teferi: I'm not running the script as root
[04:08] <robotgeek>  benplaut , why go thru all that?
[04:08] <Madpilot> as anyone installed OpenOffice 2 in Hoary? How beta-ish is that beta?
[04:08] <teferi> bimberi: i hope you're not!
[04:08] <teferi> you don't need to
[04:08] <teferi> it listens on the session bus, not the system bus
[04:08] <benplaut> robotgeek: i'm bored :)
[04:08] <teferi> er...you are running a session bus, right?
[04:08] <bimberi> teferi: lol - k
[04:08] <teferi> bimberi: look in ps aux for a dbus-daemon or dbus-1-daemon running under your username
[04:09] <IcemanV9> is it possible to modify the kernel to weed out all useless modules? it would help a lot with memory, resources, etc, right?
[04:09] <teferi> if not, that's likely the problem right there...
[04:09] <IcemanV9> any wiki page on it?
[04:09] <teferi> IcemanV9: it only loads drivers for hardware you have
[04:09] <teferi> so don't worry
[04:09] <bimberi> teferi: k
[04:09] <robotgeek> lucky me, robots don't get bored!
[04:09] <IcemanV9> is that right? interesting
[04:09] <teferi> IcemanV9: it's the magic of discover and hotplug
[04:09] <teferi> share and enjoy.
[04:09] <IcemanV9> ha. ok. teferi
[04:10] <tritium> IcemanV9, lsmod to see the modules that you have loaded.  It's a subset of all that are available to you.
[04:10] <bimberi> teferi: yes - a "dbus-daemon-1 --fork --print-pid 8 --print-address 6 --session" process is running
[04:10] <teferi> grrrrr
[04:11] <teferi> let me grab a hoary livecd and test this on my other box
[04:11] <tritium> teferi, I'll test your software on Friday afternoon
[04:11] <teferi> tritium: no rush
[04:11] <teferi> i just want to find out why this isn't working for either of the hoary users i asked to test it
[04:12] <tritium> ok
[04:13] <robotgeek> if would start a vi vs emacs troll, but the ops will kick me out :)
[04:13] <danny> hello I need help installing real player on my ubuntu but it wont work
[04:13] <robotgeek> Madpilot: yup...u mean openoffice beta?
[04:13] <bimberi> teferi: FYI it ran happily without python-gnome2-dev, python-gnome2-extras and python-gnome2-extras-dev.  I've since installed them just in case that was the issue.
[04:13] <danny> i tried a lot but doesnt work
[04:14] <danny> plz help
[04:14] <bimberi> ... with the lack of notification
[04:14] <danny> i tried the bin file
[04:14] <robotgeek> danny: what seems to be the problem?
[04:14] <tritium> Madpilot, I had installed it at one point, but rarely use such software
[04:14] <danny> won't work
[04:14] <teferi> bimberi: huh, that shouldn't happen :P
[04:14] <danny> I can't get real player 10 at work
[04:14] <IcemanV9> Madpilot: i used openoffice.org2 since i installed Ubuntu; it worked just great so far. i have used it a lot for cover letter, resume, complaints, suggestion, tech document and whatsnot.
[04:15] <robotgeek> danny: what machine are using, intel/mac?
[04:15] <danny> intel
[04:15] <danny> pentium 4
[04:15] <hybrid_goth> danny: tried helix?
[04:15] <robotgeek> IcemanV9: i've typed half of my thesis in oo2
[04:15] <robotgeek> danny: what do u mean doesn't work?
[04:15] <danny> yeah but i am a real newbie so i tried to install it but didnt seemed to work :S
[04:15] <IcemanV9> robotgeek: that's great.
[04:16] <tritium> robotgeek, your university doesn't use LaTeX for theses?
[04:16] <hybrid_goth> danny: whats the real package name
[04:16] <danny> he only installs in my hopme folder
[04:16] <danny> RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[04:16] <robotgeek> tritium: latex is for typsetting. that's the final stage. and yes, we do use latex
[04:16] <illogic-al> hey, any gmaers here?
[04:16] <Madpilot> OOo2 is in ubuntu's repos; I'm thinking of installing it in the hopes of fixing some of the irritations in OOo1...
[04:16] <hybrid_goth> danny: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[04:16] <danny> I tried
[04:17] <hybrid_goth> what happened
[04:17] <IcemanV9> only thing i don't like about oo2 is the splash screen. i want the new one.
[04:17] <tritium> robotgeek, yeah, I'm aware of what it's for.  I use it daily ;)
[04:17] <benplaut> illogic-al: in the linux world? unlikely...
[04:17] <robotgeek> IcemanV9: i personally hate all kinds of splash screens :)
[04:17] <danny> he says that he has ownership errors and then it installs
[04:17] <hybrid_goth> danny: i suggest helixcommunity.org
[04:17] <danny> is it ready it still doesnt work i don't get the wizard
[04:17] <illogic-al> well i meant here in this channel. i been using a long time and I'm a gamer
[04:17] <robotgeek> tritium: that's just my official policy! my professor is really uncomfortable with latex and all. he still doesn't know i am using oo2 for all my work!
[04:18] <hybrid_goth> danny: helix is in synaptic i thinl
[04:18] <inc595> anyone know how to get a joystick to work?
[04:18] <hybrid_goth> danny: apt-get install helix-player
[04:18] <Madpilot> robotgeek: got to keep the profs happy, right? :)
[04:19] <FlyingSquirrel32> okay folks, I've got a fun question. I'm trying to set up nfs server and client. when I run mount, client says "mount: RPC: Program not registered" an ideas?
[04:19] <robotgeek> Madpilot: yeah. and all the screwups with the formatting (after conversion to .doc) gets blamed on word!
[04:19] <danny> I am no root
[04:19] <hybrid_goth> danny: type your pass
[04:19] <hybrid_goth> !sudo
[04:19] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:20] <danny> where?
[04:20] <Madpilot> robotgeek: you can blame a lot on Word... I'm just running into conversion troubles the other way, myself. old Word97 --> OOo...
[04:20] <tritium> robotgeek, sounds like a pita, especially if you include figures/plots.
[04:20] <colmore> I'm having a strange problem with my wireless (built in, toshiba laptop) it works, but it "configuring network devices" takes FOREVER on startup, and likewise the network utility is very slow to "activate" eth0, and sometimes I have to reboot in order to pick up a new wireless network.  Help please! Thanks.
[04:20] <hybrid_goth> danny: type sudo apt-get install helix-player then it says password: type your password there
[04:20] <IcemanV9> convert it to pdf instead of doc; doc always mess things up.
[04:21] <hybrid_goth> IcemanV9: i agree doc sux
[04:21] <colmore> it's an internal format and should only be used as such
[04:21] <danny> ok now he is doing something :)
[04:21] <Madpilot> "convert to PDF" has to be the best small feature of OOo...
[04:21] <danny> he is downloading :
[04:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> No takers on an "easy" NFS question?
[04:21] <IcemanV9> especially when you try to print doc to the printer; it almost comes out little funny
[04:21] <robotgeek> tritium: the process is significanty less painful if you keep all your fonts consistent
[04:22] <IcemanV9> because every printer is set differently than your own.
[04:22] <tritium> robotgeek, I'm talking about openoffice(or word) -> LaTeX.  That sounds like a PITA.
[04:22] <robotgeek> IcemanV9: pdf's can't be edited :(
[04:22] <robotgeek> tritium: are u talking about the writertolatex plugin?
[04:23] <teferi> Mmm. LaTeX.
[04:23] <teferi> So much easier to just write the document in LaTeX from the start
[04:23] <tritium> never used it, robotgeek.  I just edit my .tex files in a text editor.
[04:23] <robotgeek> tritium: sure it doesn't convert the figures, but i figure all i need is to write myself a script!
[04:23] <robotgeek> tritium: it works, even converts equations!
[04:23] <IcemanV9> robotgeek: agreed. that's too bad. i want it to be editable. especially for the contract, so people can fill out the blank.
[04:24] <teferi> LaTeX is dreamy
[04:24] <teferi> I could never go back to Word now
[04:24] <robotgeek> IcemanV9: though u can do that with latex :)
[04:24] <IcemanV9> never use LaTeX; even though i heard about it for a long time
[04:25] <robotgeek> LateX is teh awesome :)
[04:25] <teferi> IcemanV9: i highly recommend doing so. it's not at all hard to pick up
[04:25] <teferi> the important thing is to stop worrying about formatting your document. LaTeX is better at formatting than you are
[04:25] <teferi> instead, just tell it the semantic structure of your document and it'll make it pretty for you
[04:25] <robotgeek> first rule of latex: latex is always right
[04:25] <teferi> except when it's wrong. but that's pretty rare
[04:26] <teferi> and even when it happens, it's usually correctable by using the right package
[04:26] <IcemanV9> cool. :)
[04:26] <teferi> IcemanV9: want me to shoot you an example simple document?
[04:26] <IcemanV9> teferi: sure. pls do.
[04:26] <teferi> IcemanV9: hang on, let me find one without a jillion pieces of math in it
[04:28] <tritium> teferi, but that's the best feature
[04:28] <teferi> tritium: yeah, but it's imposing to look at
[04:28] <teferi> fine, i'll give him my term paper on automorphism groups :P
[04:28] <robotgeek> tritium,teferi : used lyx? and can it import latex style sheets?
[04:28] <teferi> robotgeek: no, i write it by hand
[04:28] <teferi> in emacs
[04:28] <IcemanV9> apt-get install lyx?
[04:28] <teferi> using AucTeX
[04:29] <tritium> robotgeek, I tried it and hated it.  I just use a text editor.
[04:29] <teferi> emacs+auctex is joy
[04:29] <teferi> absolute joy
[04:29] <robotgeek> teferi: vi forever!
[04:29] <teferi> if you're composing TeX in anything else, you're missing out
[04:29] <robotgeek> teferi: vim-latex package
[04:29] <IcemanV9> so many entries for apt-cache search latex
[04:29] <teferi> pfft
[04:29] <tritium> robotgeek, you can try kile, if you don't kdelibs on your system
[04:29] <Madpilot> is Ghostscript included somewhere in Ubuntu repos? Can't find it, and it has a util that'll convert my pfm fonts into linux-readable formats...
[04:29] <teferi> IcemanV9: apt-get install tetex-base
[04:29] <tritium> Madpilot, yes
[04:29] <teferi> and tetex-bin
[04:29] <teferi> and tetex-extra
[04:29] <teferi> that's all you really need
[04:29] <robotgeek> tritium: i tried it, din't like. vim fanatic
[04:30] <Madpilot> tritium: what's it called? search in Syn w/ "ghostscript" got no results.
[04:30] <Madpilot> tritium: likewise "pf2afm" - no hits
[04:30] <teferi> okay
[04:30] <hybrid_goth> does mplayer from synaptic play .rm movies
[04:30] <tritium> Maddy, are you serious?  apt-cache search ghostscript returns a long list for me
[04:30] <teferi> http://wmute.net/~teferi/term-paper.tex <-- my term paper for sci-fi lit about quantum teleportation
[04:30] <colmore> so anyone have any idea why a wireless card would be functioning very slowly?
[04:31] <teferi> some of the markup isn't as neat as it should be, but it's certainly structured semantically
[04:31] <robotgeek> colmore: too far away from the router, like i am?
[04:31] <hybrid_goth> is .rm movies a "restricted Format"
[04:31] <colmore> no, it's not the connection speed
[04:31] <teferi> hybrid_goth: yes
[04:31] <robotgeek> colmore: then?
[04:31] <colmore> it takes forever for "configuring network devices" to happen and the network utility is also super slow
[04:31] <hybrid_goth> teferi: it is restricted
[04:31] <colmore> and sometimes i have to reboot to find a new network
[04:31] <Madpilot> tritium: I thought I had all repos enabled. which repos are you using?
[04:32] <teferi> hybrid_goth: yes, it is; it's realmedia
[04:32] <tritium> Madpilot, main,restricted,universe, and multiverse
[04:32] <robotgeek> colmore: same here, except the reboot part.
[04:32] <colmore> but once i connect, the speed is fine, unless it drops the signal, then it can't find it again without a reboot
[04:32] <hybrid_goth> is there a plugin for embedded .rm movies
[04:32] <colmore> hmmmm, there's got to be a solution
[04:32] <robotgeek> colmore: you might just be fine with a sudo dhclient ath0/wireless card
[04:33] <colmore> what does dhclient do? i've been feeling my way around the command line utilities, but i haven't figured that one out yet
[04:33] <Madpilot> tritium: got all those. what's the core package name?
[04:33] <bojangles> Madpilot, i did not like OpenOffice 2 on breezy....it has Sun's logo all over it.
[04:33] <bob2> colmore: request a dhcp lease
[04:33] <bob2> colmore: and configure interfaces and the routing table approriately
[04:33] <IcemanV9> colmore: that IS windows mentality; get rid of that :) you only need dhclient like robotgeek said
[04:34] <colmore> ok
[04:34] <colmore> didn't know about that command
[04:34] <bojangles> Madpilot, now..uh OpenOffice 1 on debian has the debian logo all over it...it is much better and stands for debian freedom
[04:34] <robotgeek> bojangles: there's a way to disable the logo
[04:34] <colmore> tried bringing the network up and down under the gui utility, and that didn't work
[04:34] <teferi> pardon me, i get these uncontrollable twitches when people start talking about logos and freedom...
[04:34] <colmore> but still, any way to get "configuring network devices" to not take so darn long on startup
[04:34] <Madpilot> tritium: nevermind. just tried "man pf2afm" and it must exist, there's a man page for it... not showing in Syn, tho...
[04:35] <colmore> could i at least manually run the command, or have it automatically go in the background once i've booted, rather than waiting for it to finish?
[04:35] <bob2> Madpilot: if you have the manpage, you have the binary
[04:35] <bojangles> robotgeek, well anyway who needs it....kile works great.
[04:35] <tritium> Madpilot, sorry, I'm multitasking here
[04:35] <bojangles> robotgeek, and so does gnumeric
[04:35] <Madpilot> bojangles: I can live with Sun's logo for an improved word processor...
[04:35] <robotgeek> colmore: i just end up control c it
[04:35] <FlyingSquirrel32> anyone know nfs?
[04:35] <Madpilot> bob2: yeah, figured that! :)
[04:36] <colmore> and you can still get online, robotgeek?
[04:36] <bojangles> Madpilot, well you do what you want...and let everybody else do what they want.
[04:36] <teferi> ugh, nfs
[04:36] <Madpilot> tritium: np, I think I'm sorted
[04:36] <bob2> Madpilot: you can use "dpkg -S" to find out which package it came from
[04:36] <bob2> (not that I was following properly)
[04:36] <nalioth> colmore: agreed, they need to background the process
[04:36] <robotgeek> colmore: i just let it book, and run a script to bring it up.
[04:36] <tritium> Madpilot, okay, great.  Thanks.
[04:36] <ridejib> what's up my brethren's?
[04:36] <Madpilot> bob2: dpkg -S pf2afm
[04:37] <ridejib> has anyone else here used Skype before?
[04:37] <colmore> "let it book?"
[04:37] <bob2> ridejib: if you have a question about it, best to just ask it
[04:37] <colmore> is there some way I can background that process?
[04:37] <bob2> NM looks cool, but flakey
[04:37] <robotgeek> colmore: boot, /action sorry
[04:37] <colmore> no worries
[04:37] <ridejib> bob2: not really a specific question, just curiosity as to how well it works
[04:37] <teferi> NM would be lovely...
[04:37] <colmore> anyway, is there some way i can tell that process to run in the background?
[04:38] <teferi> if it DIDN'T HARDLOCK MY LAPTOP RRRGDFADfalhlq
[04:38] <colmore> keep it down, teferi
[04:38] <teferi> sorry, it's just rather vexing
[04:38] <robotgeek> teferi: lol. i am gonna wait till it becomes stable :)
[04:38] <teferi> wise
[04:38] <Madpilot> bob2: pf2afm is in both gs-esp & gs-gpl, it seems. it would be nice if the description in the repos included mention of that util...
[04:39] <robotgeek> colmore: moment, looking at the init script
[04:39] <colmore> thanks
[04:39] <bob2> Madpilot: the descriptions can't mention every little utility in the package...packages.ubuntu.com lets you find files in packages, tho
[04:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> how can I tell if portmapper is running?
[04:40] <Madpilot> bob2: true, and thnx. I keep forgetting about packages.ubuntu.com
[04:40] <bob2> FlyingSquirrel32: sudo netstat -plunt | grep portm
[04:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> bob2: would bind be the same?
[04:41] <robotgeek> colmore: sorry, not what i though. it isn't there
[04:41] <bob2> FlyingSquirrel32: yes, except the binary might be called named, not bind
[04:41] <bob2> I forget
[04:41] <bimberi> teferi: I've pasted the (probably very boring) output from dbus-monitor to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/669 just in case it's of use.
[04:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> bob2: I'm getting RPC: Program not registered from my nfs client.
[04:41] <bob2> FlyingSquirrel32: sounds like you don't have it installed, or you have a broken firewall somewhere
[04:42] <FlyingSquirrel32> bob2: named should show up in "netstat -plunt | grep named", right?
[04:43] <bob2> FlyingSquirrel32: if it's called named, yes
[04:43] <bob2> and if it's running
[04:43] <bob2> yadayada
[04:43] <FlyingSquirrel32> bob2: what pakages should I install on my client?
[04:43] <colmore> so where do you think that command is located, robotgeek?
[04:44] <FlyingSquirrel32> bob2: yeah, pretty sure you right about the name named.
[04:44] <colmore> I mean, there's gotta be a way to change it, but I don't know anything about the ubuntu boot process.
[04:44] <bob2> FlyingSquirrel32: don't think you need anything on the client
[04:44] <bob2> FlyingSquirrel32: do either of the machines, or the network between them, have any firewall rules at all?
[04:44] <FlyingSquirrel32> bob2, well, have to have nfscommon, no?
[04:45] <bob2> isn't it part of the ubuntu base system?
[04:45] <FlyingSquirrel32> bob2: only if ubuntu has one.
[04:45] <bob2> oh, no, my mistake
[04:45] <robotgeek> colmore: i think i read something on ubuntuforums a long time ago
[04:45] <CVirus> hmm
[04:45] <CVirus> ubuntu
[04:45] <CVirus> a good system it is ?
[04:46] <aru> colmore: mine does the same thing on my laptop, what do you have for a nic?
[04:46] <FlyingSquirrel32> bob2: pretty sure I had to install it on the server. the client already had both client and server installed.
[04:46] <CVirus> I love Gnome
[04:46] <bojangles> Madpilot, we can do everything we want to do with lyx or kile or gpaint or gimp or glom or dia or planner.....so we don't need openoffice at all.....but you use it if you want to.
[04:46] <colmore> is there a way to just search for the string "configuring network interfaces?"
[04:46] <bob2> FlyingSquirrel32: ah
[04:46] <colmore> it's a built in card on a new toshiba
[04:46] <colmore> i could look up the make if you think it makes a difference
[04:46] <giant> CVirus, Your in the chat room.. I would think you would kinda likeit
[04:46] <Madpilot> bojangles: um, good. I'm glad I have your permission...
[04:46] <bob2> FlyingSquirrel32: nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server both Depend on it, anyway
[04:46] <robotgeek> colmore: okay all your network interfaces are in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:46] <bojangles> Madpilot, and plus we can even animate stuff with latex
[04:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> bob2: ubuntu has no firewall?
[04:47] <aru> colmore: probably not, I just assumed it had something to do with my pcmcia nic on the laptop, it could do the same on my desktop but I haven't rebooted in a few weeks so I don't remember
[04:47] <tritium> bojangles, it would be nice if editing pdf images (such as in scribus) was easier, and produced better results
[04:47] <colmore> ok, i'm looking at the interfaces file
[04:47] <bob2> FlyingSquirrel32: it does, but by default it does nothing
[04:47] <bojangles> tritium, well i don't use scribus or pdf because i am not sure of their legalities.....someone said they are proprietary and with patents.
[04:48] <FlyingSquirrel32> where?
[04:48] <robotgeek> colmore: just comment out that ones you don't want to bring up.
[04:48] <colmore> and i can still bring them up manually after boot?
[04:48] <tritium> bojangles, okay, same for postscript images, though
[04:48] <bob2> FlyingSquirrel32: where what?  firewalling is a kernel function, you can use "sudo iptables -L -v -n" to see the current (filter) rules.
[04:48] <robotgeek> colmore: well, with a couple of hacks...i paste my little script for my wireless
[04:49] <teferi> how cute, the UPS the router is on fails at  random now...
[04:49] <robotgeek> colmore: well, with a couple of hacks...i can paste my little script for my wireless
[04:49] <colmore> sounds good
[04:49] <bojangles> tritium, no problem with the old postscript ...its patents have long since expired....only the enhanced encapsulated postscript is still a problem
[04:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> bob2: oh, that's right.
[04:49] <teferi> bimberi: that's frustrating and not my fault. i'm working on debugging it
[04:50] <tritium> bojangles, my concern is the difficulty in editing/modifying postscript images
[04:50] <bojangles> tritium, and we make sure not to use ghostscript-ESP....we use the old gnu version
[04:50] <bimberi> teferi: k - good luck - happy to help out if required :)
[04:50] <tritium> bojangles, I see.
[04:51] <jasmuz> hey guys
[04:51] <jasmuz> anyone running splashy at boot?
[04:52] <seth_k> jasmuz, I am
[04:53] <jasmuz> seth_k:  im running into trouble just setting it up...the first thing it says is that i passed an incorrect video mode, and after says to check the config files
[04:54] <Madpilot> damn... how do I over-ride that "Cannot open [foo] " dialog? I *know* the file is OK, but Ubuntu isn't convinced...
[04:55] <seth_k> jasmuz, you ran an apt-get install and got it from the splashy repos?
[04:56] <jasmuz> seth_k: nein, downloaded it off the Debian repos
[04:57] <knowledge_> is there a command to find out what kernel I'm using?
[04:57] <tritium> knowledge_, uname -r
[04:57] <knowledge_> I wanna make sure the patch worked
[04:57] <knowledge_> tritium, Thank you kindly
[04:57] <tritium> uname -a for more info
[04:57] <rudd> i have a problem, i just installed ubuntu, and i can't sudo su, or sudo anything for that matter
[04:57] <knowledge_> so if there's no -alps at the end...it didn't work?
[04:58] <tritium> knowledge_, what is "-alps"?
[04:58] <knowledge_> the patch
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> rudd, you try sudo -s
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> rudd, and you use your password
[04:58] <tritium> knowledge_, did you use make-kpkg and append a version name like that to it?
[04:58] <seth_k> jasmuz, i'd try adding "deb http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main" to your sources.list and using that copy
[04:59] <jasmuz> seth_k: thanks
[04:59] <rudd> nomasteryoda, thank you
[04:59] <knowledge_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27851.html <--I just copied and pasted...
[04:59] <knowledge_> I have NO clue as to what those commands do
[05:00] <bojangles> tritium, well i can see where that might be a valid concern especially with those nice encapsulated images.
[05:00] <tritium> knowledge_, after you built your new kernel, did you reboot and select that kernel to boot into?
[05:00] <tritium> bojangles, yeah
[05:00] <knowledge_> ohhhhhhh.....that might make sense
[05:00] <bojangles> tritium, that print real fast
[05:00] <knowledge_> I thought it would default to it
[05:00] <knowledge_> alrighty...brb
[05:00] <seth_k> knowledge_, the good news is this works by default on breezy ;) my alps pad works great
[05:00] <bojangles> tritium, but we don't edit anything but the free formats.
[05:00] <tritium> bojangles, oh, okay
[05:00] <knowledge_> mine does too, however I can't use tpconfig
[05:01] <robotgeek> seth_k: that is good news, my friend will be happy to hear that
[05:02] <teferi> crud, this isn't getting debugged tonight
[05:02] <teferi> too damn late
[05:02] <vladuz976> does anybody know how to view .chm files
[05:02] <nightswim> chmview
[05:02] <nightswim> or something like that
[05:03] <teferi> xchm
[05:03] <vladuz976> how do you search with apt
[05:03] <tritium> vladuz976, apt-cache search <searchterm>
[05:04] <robotgeek> apt-cache search blah
[05:04] <aru> vladuz976: System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager
[05:04] <aru> click the search button and type in what you want
[05:06] <jmspeex> How come is current (5.04) version of firefox only 1.0.2? Any way to upgrade?
[05:06] <tritium> jmspeex, it actually does contain the security fixes from 1.0.4 backported into it
[05:07] <cafuego> jmspeex: it's 1.0.2 with 1.0.4 patches. 1.0.5 apparently has bugs and 1.0.6 is due out soon.
[05:07] <Sponge_> How do I display my kernel version?
[05:07] <cafuego> Sponge_: uname -a
[05:07] <tritium> uname -r
[05:07] <Sponge_> thanx!
[05:11] <robotgeek> well, it's boring in here
[05:11] <robotgeek> browsing thru lynx is actually fun :)
[05:11] <teferi> until it gets old
[05:12] <jmspeex> tritium, cafuego thanks. The only annoyance now is the fact that I can't access firefox extensions.
[05:13] <bimberi> !firefox
[05:13] <ubotu> Firefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[05:13] <robotgeek> good ubotu!
[05:13] <bimberi> jmspeex: that fix should work for extensions too
[05:14] <jmspeex> ubotu: Tried it, but it didn't work. Somehow, setting my user agent to IE6 *did* work.
[05:14] <ubotu> jmspeex: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[05:14] <eli> nice... i was just about to ask about firefox
[05:14] <eli> ubotu to the rescue
[05:14] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, eli
[05:14] <robotgeek> jmspeex: ubotu is a real bot, unlike me :)
[05:15] <bimberi> :)
[05:15] <jmspeex> :-)
[05:15] <Madpilot> so, robotgeek is not actually a robot geek...
[05:15] <Madpilot> ;)
[05:15] <robotgeek> Madpilot: well, i am a fake bot.
[05:15] <jmspeex> :-)
[05:16] <robotgeek> Madpilot: this was an automated message
[05:16] <Madpilot> !ubotu
[05:16] <ubotu> ubotu is, like, uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!
[05:16] <nickrud> teferi, you around?
[05:16] <teferi> yeah
[05:16] <teferi> i'm getting reports of it not working on hoary
[05:16] <nickrud> likewise
[05:17] <nickrud> I'll wait :)
[05:17] <jmspeex> Any extra urls I can add to my sources.list so I can get stuff that's normally in unstable (e.g. gcc 4.0.1 and gnome-alsa-mixer)
[05:17] <teferi> it seems to be an evolution bug
[05:17] <teferi> it's just not emitting dbus signals at all for some reason
[05:17] <jmspeex> ubotu: why?
[05:17] <ubotu> jmspeex: Are you smoking crack?
[05:17] <jmspeex> ubotu: yes
[05:17] <ubotu> jmspeex: No idea
[05:18] <jasoncohen> i know it's possible to create custom ubuntu install cds. is it also possible to create custom ubuntu live cds with additional packages?
[05:18] <bojangles> jmspeex, because 1.02 has libgtkembedmoz that is used in many other programs
[05:18] <teferi> man who converses with bot speaks into ether.
[05:18] <jmspeex> bojangles: I was just entertaining the bot.
[05:18] <bojangles> jmspeex, and if you put the new firefox in..it wipes out the old directory and destroys the library
[05:18] <levander> There is some utility I can run to verify that a CD I've got hasn't been scratched and that the data on it is still good?
[05:18] <Madpilot> man who converses with ubotu gets asked if he is on crack
[05:19] <nickrud> offensive, isn't it
[05:20] <nickrud> levander, you can do an md5sum on the device, like md5sum /dev/cdrom
[05:20] <jasoncohen> also can the ubuntu live cd store settings on a USB key?
[05:20] <nickrud> levander, I used that to check my hoary download, for example
[05:20] <teferi> and compare that to the iso, aye
[05:20] <jmspeex> So, any way to get gcc 4.0.1?
[05:20] <levander> nickrud: do a md5sum on the device file itself?
[05:20] <teferi> jmspeex: don't, it breaks the C++ ABI
[05:20] <robotgeek> thou shall not insult bots (my bretheren ) on #ubuntu
[05:20] <teferi> breezy is still working on the transition
[05:20] <nickrud> levander, just make sure the cdrom you want to check is mounted
[05:20] <levander> nickrud: and, I don't have to compare it against a md5 sum file that has the correct sum in it?
[05:21] <teferi> nickrud: actually, you don't even have to do that
[05:21] <teferi> nickrud: you can check against the raw device file
[05:21] <hosler> Is there a program for linux which will free up memory?
[05:21] <teferi> "free up memory"?
[05:21] <levander> hosler: programs take up memory
[05:21] <cafuego> hosler: 'kill'
[05:21] <levander> hosler: not free it
[05:21] <bojangles> jmspeex, in fact nobody even uses firefox....we have faster browsers...but we all download firefox1.02 to get the library that we need in lots of other places
[05:21] <cafuego> hosler: You don't want to do that you think you want to do anyway.
[05:21] <hosler> teferi: well in windows some programs leave information in the memory even after they have been closed. Im wondering if linux does the same thing and if there is a program to fix it.
[05:21] <teferi> hosler: no they don't :P
[05:22] <cafuego> hosler: No, Linux is not braindead in that way.
[05:22] <levander> teferi: so how is this that I'm supposed to run md5sum on a device file? what's it supposed to do? I don't need to know the correct md5sum to compare the output against?
[05:22] <eli> linux is great for the memory problem... never had a problem with it. used 30 programs at once today and it was running fine
[05:22] <teferi> they may leave bits of themselves running, but that's different altogether
[05:22] <teferi> levander: md5sum <device file>, compare to md5sum <iso file>
[05:22] <nickrud> levander, I did that, and got the same md5sum that was posted on the ubuntu site, so I was quite comfortable
[05:22] <teferi> hosler: if you're talking about DLLs staying in memory, shared libraries that aren't being used get paged out
[05:22] <teferi> so they're not actually taking up memory
[05:22] <teferi> it's like that on windows too
[05:22] <hosler> ok
[05:22] <teferi> don't worry about it
[05:22] <levander> yeah, guys, but I don't know what the correct md5sum is supposed to be, i made these discs myself from files I just archived onto them
[05:23] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell me about repositories
[05:23] <bojangles> if you look in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox...you should be able to see the critical library
[05:23] <eli> La_PaRCa , you mystified ubotu this time
[05:23] <cafuego> hosler: Linux will start using some of your ram as disk cache, but that is freed the moment it is needed. In the mean time it speeds up I/O on yor machine./
[05:23] <eli> :)
[05:23] <jmspeex> teferi: I'm a developer.
[05:23] <nickrud> levander, md5sum the iso you meant to burn, then the cdrom
[05:23] <nickrud> compare those
[05:24] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell me about backports
[05:24] <teferi> jmspeex: er? I didn't say anything to you...
[05:24] <levander> TerminX: nickrud: but will running md5sum attempt to read the entire disc?  And give me an error if it can't read something?  That's the common problem I have with old CD's.  Programs stop being able to read them.
[05:24] <eli> ubotu tell me about repositories
[05:24] <jmspeex> teferi: regarding gcc 4.0
[05:24] <teferi> oh
[05:24] <teferi> um
[05:24] <levander> i meant teferi, not TerminX
[05:24] <teferi> don't know what to tell you
[05:24] <teferi> pardon me
[05:24] <jmspeex> 4.0.0 is badly broken AFAIK, but 4.0.1 is supposed to be usable
[05:25] <nickrud> levander, if the cd cannot be read, then all comparisons are moot, if I read you right
[05:25] <La_PaRCa> uboru tell me about gdesklets
[05:25] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell me about gdesklets
[05:25] <eli> ubotu tell me about gdesklets
[05:26] <teferi> serves me right for assuming
[05:26] <levander> nickrud: right, but seee, i think that's what I want to check.  Just since I've burned the CD, it hasn't got any scratches on it, preventing me from being able to read it.  So, *if* md5sum attempts to read the whole disc, I would think it would give me an error saying "unable to read" if there's a scratch on the disc.
[05:26] <nickrud> levander, try it and see what happens
[05:27] <levander> nickrud: but, does it sound to you like I'm checking what I think I'm checking? about to try now
[05:27] <nickrud> levander, yes, the check seems ok, but I would expect you to have some kind of hardware error if the disk is scratched
[05:28] <bojangles> and plus the kde people are hacking libgtkembedmoz to produce libqtembedmoz
[05:28] <levander> nickrud: exactly, i'm checking to see if I get that hardware error
[05:28] <levander> nickrud: only thing I don't know is if md5sum tries to read the entire disc or not
[05:28] <teferi> it will
[05:29] <teferi> it has to read every byte to compute the md5sum
[05:29] <levander> yeah, it's kind of acting like it is
[05:29] <teferi> one byte's difference will produce a radically different hash
[05:29] <levander> teferi: but I don't care about the hash
[05:29] <teferi> levander: the md5sum
[05:29] <levander> teferi: because I don't know what the correct hash (md5sum) is supposed to be
[05:29] <nickrud> levander, yes you do, it's the md5sum
[05:29] <levander> no guys, i really don't think i do
[05:29] <teferi> ohh, i see, this isn't burned from an image?
[05:30] <levander> someone i'm not explaining this correctly
[05:30] <nickrud> levander, ah, you are just trying to see if the disk is borked
[05:30] <nickrud> levander, am I stupid, or excellent :)
[05:30] <levander> nickrud: exactly!!! it's an old cd with a bunch of music files on it, i want to see if i need to reburn it now that i have access to the same music through a friend
[05:31] <levander> nickrud: so, do you think this test will work?
[05:31] <nickrud> levander, if you cannot read it, then it's borked. Get it from your friend
[05:31] <Octane> i have a backports server in my sources.list yet when I try to get a pkg that I know is backported, it tries to get the old version
[05:31] <levander> nickrud: so you think md5sum is trying to read the whole disc then?
[05:31] <teferi> okay, time to try the hoary livecd and see if i can get evo-mail-notify working
[05:32] <teferi> or at least start on it
[05:32] <eli> !firefox
[05:32] <ubotu> Firefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[05:32] <nickrud> levander, just try to copy the cd data to your harddrive, forget md5sum
[05:32] <SDFH_Linux> the ABI transition in debian is annoying
[05:32] <levander> nickrud: md5sum did just give me an io error, i think it worked
[05:33] <bojangles> SDFH_Linux, well you can't expect your object to constantly be compatible...this is no different than the MS platform
[05:33] <bojangles> object code
[05:33] <hoof> is there an easy way that I can install RPMs in ubuntu?
[05:33] <SDFH_Linux> yep
[05:33] <teferi> SDFH_Linux: patience
[05:33] <Octane> hoof: alien
[05:33] <teferi> SDFH_Linux: this, too, shall pass
[05:33] <bojangles> MS changes their API and ABI all the time
[05:33] <levander> isn't there some eject button on the ubuntu desktop somewhere?
[05:33] <SDFH_Linux> ok
[05:33] <teferi> all things are transient. bugs doubly so.
[05:34] <hoof> are RPMs supported in ubuntu?  Im new to ubuntu, i use fedora
[05:34] <teferi> bojangles: tell that to the copy of VisiCalc for DOS I have that still runs on windows XP...
[05:34] <SDFH_Linux> maybe i am worried about breaking my debian system
[05:34] <nickrud> ah, which abi is changing, I'm on dialup and cannot be current
[05:34] <bojangles> so that developers will keep handing over to Bill Gates all their money in the vain hopes of making any money
[05:34] <teferi> bojangles: also tell that to my copy of MS-DOS Executive from Windows 1.0
[05:34] <levander> hoof: try to avoid using rpms,but yes, you can install rpm on ubuntu
[05:34] <teferi> bojangles: also tell that to my copy of File Manager from Windows 3.1
[05:34] <teferi> You get the idea.
[05:35] <hoof> Octane: yes, alien...but I had to do that in the command prompt right?  How about a package manager that works in the GUI
[05:35] <calc> teferi: also note that by keeping compat to the extent that ms can't fix their security problems :)
[05:35] <Octane> hoof: not that i know of, sorry
[05:35] <teferi> hoof: the debian/ubuntu packaging system is called "dpkg"
[05:35] <teferi> we use .debs rather than .rpms
[05:35] <hoof> levander: yes, but most of my linux softwares are in rpm...i wanted to install maya for linux in ubuntu but they're in rpms
[05:35] <bojangles> teferi, you mean XP is binary compatible with the real old stuff.
[05:35] <calc> but as far as saying microsoft doesn't keep compat with their own stuff that is untrue they keep it to a fault
[05:36] <teferi> bojangles: yep
[05:36] <nickrud> hoof, look on packages.ubuntu.com for what you want before using any rpms, the odds are good
[05:36] <bojangles> teferi, well that seems to conflict with a lot of gamers reports
[05:36] <teferi> bojangles: therefore, there hasn't been significant ABI breakage
[05:36] <calc> the only things that lose out for microsoft stuff tends to be things that do low level driver magic
[05:36] <teferi> yeah
[05:36] <calc> like norton utilities, etc
[05:36] <teferi> or old drivers
[05:36] <teferi> or
[05:36] <teferi> things like that
[05:36] <bojangles> teferi, well the gamers are saying that their directx object code has to change from one version to the next
[05:37] <calc> i don't think linux is particularly bad in that it doesn't support old stuff though
[05:37] <teferi> bojangles: nuh-uh
[05:37] <calc> it just makes open source software more important :)
[05:37] <teferi> bojangles: you ask for a specific version of DX in your code
[05:37] <teferi> bojangles: and it gives you exactly that interface
[05:37] <bojangles> teferi, hmm..ok...maybe i got some inaccurate news.
[05:37] <teferi> warts and all
[05:37] <levander> hoof: look for .debs in the ubuntu repositories before you install rpms
[05:37] <teferi> bojangles: you can ask for the DX 1.0 interface in your code on windows today running DX9, and everything will still work just as it once did
[05:37] <hoof> ok
[05:38] <hoof> ill check it out
[05:38] <levander> isn't there supposed to be an icon that shows up on my desktop whenever I put a CD in my drive?  That I can right click on and choose "Eject"?
[05:38] <nickrud> hoof, what is it you are looking fore
[05:38] <jmanns> does anyone know what the best html editor for linux is?
[05:38] <levander> hoof: when you said may, did you mean amaya?
[05:38] <teferi> bojangles: it's really a rather nice piece of hackery
[05:38] <calc> levander: yes usually :\
[05:38] <bojangles> teferi, hmm...that is interesting....perhaps then the game engines aren't being written properly
[05:38] <calc> levander: sometimes it doesn't work
[05:38] <levander> calc: I think I turned that feature off, anybody can remember hwo to turn it back on?
[05:38] <teferi> levander: system->preferences->removable drives and media
[05:39] <calc> under removable drives and media preference
[05:39] <levander> hoof: also, packages.ubuntu.com lets you search all the .debs ubuntu has packaged
[05:39] <hoof> nickrud:  actually, im just trying to figure out how to install my rpms in ubuntu because most of my linux apps are in rpms...such as Alias MAYA
[05:39] <calc> under system -> preferences on my gnome 2.11.x
[05:39] <levander> teferi: which option on that dialog re-enables that icon on the desktop?
[05:39] <calc> oh no another flavor of ubuntu ;)
[05:39] <hoof> i used to be a fedora user
[05:39] <calc> edubuntu
[05:39] <nickrud> hoof, there's about 15,000 packages available as debs for ubuntu
[05:39] <calc> the e dub's edition ;)
[05:40] <teferi> levander: "mount removable media when insered"
[05:40] <teferi> ...inserted
[05:40] <coolkev> how can i format drive hdb1 to use resierFS filesystem
[05:40] <coolkev> currently it's on FAt32
[05:40] <calc> coolkev: mkfs.reiserfs /dev/hdb1
[05:40] <coolkev> thanks calc
[05:40] <Octane> anyone here know anything about m4b files?
[05:40] <Octane> how to convert mp3s to them
[05:40] <calc> coolkev: oh hold on
[05:41] <calc> coolkev: if you also have windows for dual boot still you need to zero out the partition first
[05:41] <levander> teferi: yeah, i got that one checked, but a little icon doesn't pop up on the desktop when i put a cd in the drive.  An entire nautilus window does that lets me see all the files on the CD.
[05:41] <coolkev> i want to complete format it and clean it
[05:41] <hoof> nickrud: yeah but does it include MAYA
[05:41] <coolkev> no i'm completely linux
[05:41] <calc> coolkev: to zero the partition first do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb1
[05:41] <teferi> levander: if you go to Places->Computer, there'll be an icon in there that you can right-click on to eject
[05:41] <calc> coolkev: if the system is only going to run linux the dd step isn't necessary
[05:42] <coolkev> i already typed it
[05:42] <coolkev> am i screwed?
[05:42] <calc> it won't hurt anything
[05:42] <coolkev> ok
[05:42] <calc> dd zeros out the partition completely
[05:42] <coolkev> ok good
[05:42] <calc> writing a new fs to a partition only overwrites the parts it needs to
[05:42] <hoof> is there a website that will instruct me how to compile a new kernel?
[05:42] <coolkev> ye i needed to completrely format it
[05:43] <calc> which if you dual boot with windows may not overwrite parts that windows looks at to see if it is FAT/NTFS
[05:43] <calc> but dd overwrites it all
[05:43] <levander> teferi: thanks, i might use that, i just like that icon that shows up on the desktop is all.  I went ahead and ejected the cd from the command line
[05:43] <coolkev> after wards when it's finished it's operation i type mkfs.reiserfs /dev/hdb1
[05:43] <calc> coolkev: yea
[05:44] <coolkev> ok thanks bud
[05:44] <bimberi> !kernelcompile
[05:44] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[05:44] <teferi> levander: it should show up, i couldn't tell you why without knowing more about your system
[05:44] <emX> hoof: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-20974.html should help; it refers to ppc, but the instructions generally apply
[05:44] <nickrud> hoof, ah, I looked around, and probably not, unless alias provides a deb. Alien can be your friend, in this case )
[05:45] <levander> teferi: I vaguely remember changing an option a long time ago on this machine to turn it off.  Now I've got to find that damn option and turn it back on.
[05:45] <bojangles> it is funny in a way....all these people say they can't make any money on gpl system...even though the rich make billions of dollars off of it.
[05:46] <hoof> nickrud: if i use alien, would it install my rpm without any problems?
[05:46] <bojangles> but it is the same on MS system because Bill Gates gets all their money for constantly changing development tools...and consulting fees....and they never get a dime for their MS code.
[05:46] <trs80> Hi, does anyone have any idea why I'm getting 10-60% iowait on a dual 3.4ghz xeon? HP proliant DL360 with 1GB ram and two 160gb seagate 7200.7 drives in raid 1
[05:47] <bojangles> so these people are fucked either way....so they might as well just join the free software community....at least they don't have to pay for development tools
[05:47] <hoof> where do i get make-kpkg
[05:47] <tritium> hoof, sudo apt-get install kernel-package
[05:47] <calc> trs80: do you have dma enabled on the drives?
[05:47] <trs80> calc: they're sata
[05:48] <levander> teferi: found the damn thing, in gconf: apps -> nautilus -> desktop -> volumes visible has to be checked
[05:48] <calc> trs80: oh ok
[05:48] <aru> hey bojangles, watch the language please
[05:48] <levander> teferi: but thanks for letting me know i wasn't crazy and that that icon was supposed to be there
[05:48] <calc> trs80: they are already synced up too i presume?
[05:48] <teferi> it was
[05:48] <trs80> yeah
[05:48] <trs80> md0 : active raid1 sdb2[0]  sda2[1]
[05:48] <trs80>       156095488 blocks [2/2]  [UU]
[05:48] <hoof> ok tritium: thanks
[05:48] <bojangles> aru, ok...just trying to be accurate.
[05:48] <calc> trs80: not sure then, i haven't used software raid much though
[05:48] <trs80> hmm
[05:49] <Freedomzen> Ok I just installed Ubuntu (Breezy) on my laptop and nothing... so I tried to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and got a bunch of depend problems anyone have info on this?
[05:49] <nickrud> hoof, alien is pretty smart, but, it's not perfect. You can try.
[05:49] <coolkev> what is iowait trs80
[05:49] <trs80> I don't see why it should be ... elsewhere I've got a dual opteron 242 doing raid 5 over 4 disks no sweat
[05:49] <aru> bojangles: it's cool, but we need linux to be a good place for the kids to turn, if they want sex, violence and cursing they can switch to fox news :)
[05:50] <trs80> coolkev: processes are waiting for the disk to return the data
[05:50] <hybrid_goth> !kernel recompile
[05:50] <ubotu> Wish i knew, hybrid_goth
[05:50] <coolkev> oh ic
[05:50] <emX> Freedomzen: breezy is expected to be broken until it's released (see channel topic); unless you have specific errors, we'll have a hard time helping you.
[05:50] <hybrid_goth> !kernel compile
[05:50] <ubotu> I don't know, hybrid_goth
[05:50] <hybrid_goth> !kernelcompile
[05:50] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[05:50] <trs80> it shows up in top as ##% wa in the Cpu(s) line. also gettable from /proc/stat
[05:50] <nickrud> hoof, I have caught a few people wanting to get gftp (for example) using alien, you may want to ask on the ubuntu-mailling list about maya
[05:52] <calc> grr this stupid hold won't work :\
[05:52] <Freedomzen> emX, used latest install iso and upon boot when it usually configures base system, it immediatly went to apptitude.... then fell back to a console login so I logged in and ran a update then an install ubuntu-desktop but got a bunch of dependincy errors
[05:52] <bojangles> aru, yes that is true...we don't know if there are any kids in here.
[05:52] <coolkev> are amd sempron processors any good?
[05:53] <levander> does it happen to everybody that if they leave their cd's out of their case for awhile, the cd eventually gets scratched and can't be read?
[05:53] <Freedomzen> coobra, no
[05:53] <coolkev> they are very affordable but do their performace suck?
[05:53] <Freedomzen> er
[05:53] <calc> coolkev: get one of the new 64bit if you do
[05:53] <coolkev> out of my price range
[05:53] <calc> coolkev: the socket a based ones are near end of life
[05:53] <FlyingSquirrel32> Hey, really in need here, anyone know nfs?
[05:53] <calc> FlyingSquirrel32: a bit, whats up?
[05:53] <robotgeek> levander: cd's get scratched only in the process of putting it in & out of the cdrom
[05:53] <nickrud> levander, that is probably a derivative of murphy's law
[05:53] <emX> Freedomzen: sorry, i personally haven't moved to breezy yet; perhaps someone else in the channel has?
[05:54] <bojangles> Flying-Penguin, no..that is proprietary stuff
[05:54] <coolkev> nfs = Need for speed?
[05:54] <levander> robotgeek: not true
[05:54] <FlyingSquirrel32> Permission denied.
[05:54] <bojangles> Flying-Penguin, i think NFS belongs to NOvell file system or somthing
[05:54] <calc> Freedomzen: breezy is a bit broken at the moment
[05:54] <teferi> NFS is the Network File System
[05:54] <calc> network fs
[05:54] <robotgeek> levander: there's no contact in the cdrom drive?
[05:54] <calc> from Sun
[05:54] <teferi> It is a very old network file system and is, unfortunately, a lingua franca as far as Unix is concerned.
[05:54] <bojangles> teferi, ok..is it patent free
[05:54] <teferi> Unfortunately because it's pretty awful
[05:54] <FlyingSquirrel32> one sec I'll get my export
[05:54] <levander> robotgeek: i'm just saying cd's can get scratch in other ways
[05:54] <teferi> and relies on a pretty awful RPC mechanism
[05:54] <teferi> bojangles: by now, certainly
[05:55] <levander> robotgeek: like scraping them against something
[05:55] <teferi> bojangles: seeing as linux implements it...
[05:55] <bojangles> teferi, oh...well that is good news.
[05:55] <_ted> does anyone here know any more info about Ubuntulite?
[05:55] <Freedomzen> so I could wait and apt-get update sometime in the near future and deps could be fixed or are we talking long term
[05:55] <robotgeek> robotgeek: true, i meant it's kinda ironic that it doesn't get scratched while in actual use
[05:55] <bojangles> teferi, you can't go by what some linux distros put in...because they are still learning and make mistakes
[05:55] <Freedomzen> would I be better off installing sid?
[05:55] <teferi> bojangles: it's in the linux kernel
[05:55] <FlyingSquirrel32> teferi, What do admins use in a unxi/linux network?
[05:55] <teferi> bojangles: and has been since before linux 2.0
[05:55] <levander> _ted: i think that's the thing they're doing for the education markets, look in the breezy wiki for explanation
[05:56] <emX> Freedomzen: you'd be better off installing Hoary
[05:56] <teferi> bojangles: nfs is not patent-encumbered. don't worry
[05:56] <teferi> it's a shame that it's awful.
[05:56] <teferi> FlyingSquirrel32: depends on how big the network is
[05:56] <emX> Freedomzen: is there some reason you need Breezy?
[05:56] <bojangles> teferi, oh...ok...well i hear Linus and his leutenants watch things carefully so they probably already investigated this.
[05:56] <teferi> in a big environment, everyone loves to use (Open)AFS because it's fast, scalable, etc
[05:56] <FlyingSquirrel32> simple.
[05:56] <teferi> bojangles: just relax, man
[05:56] <_ted> I tried, but the Ubuntulite site (linked from distrowatch) was down
[05:56] <calc> whee i managed to fix breezy with enough fscking holds to do an upgrade
[05:56] <teferi> FlyingSquirrel32: probably nfs
[05:56] <FlyingSquirrel32> oh. with NIS?
[05:56] <teferi> it is simple to use once you set it up, confound it
[05:56] <Freedomzen> emX, other than the fact im a "has to have the new stuff guy" no
[05:56] <teferi> god forbid
[05:56] <teferi> no one uses NIS anymore
[05:57] <gnuyen> does anyone have a motorola razr phone and sync contacts w/ evolution successfully?
[05:57] <calc> Freedomzen: if you use a package manager and have a lot of patience you might be able to get it to work now
[05:57] <calc> Freedomzen: iow not apt-get
[05:57] <teferi> well, okay, that's not true, but no one's deploying new installations of it
[05:57] <FlyingSquirrel32> teferi: what then?
[05:57] <teferi> FlyingSquirrel32: for centralized auth, today, ldap's the thing
[05:57] <levander> teferi: what they use instead of nis?
[05:57] <calc> we rolled out windows authentication for linux boxes at work :0
[05:57] <calc> thats some evil shit ;)
[05:57] <teferi> levander: ldap
[05:58] <teferi> calc: been there, done that, wrote the book
[05:58] <FlyingSquirrel32> linux journal just had an article this year on setting up nis with kerberos
[05:58] <teferi> well, not the book, but a detailed internal doc
[05:58] <levander> _ted: i'm looking for that breezy wiki for you
[05:58] <teferi> FlyingSquirrel32: no one's deploying new installations of nis
[05:58] <teferi> i assure you
[05:58] <nickrud> teferi, so, you are on the dark side? ;P
[05:58] <teferi> it's hacky and scales very poorly
[05:58] <teferi> nickrud: "dark side"
[05:58] <teferi> ?
[05:58] <mindamp> what are talking about?
[05:58] <teferi> I use whatever works best to do my job.
[05:58] <emX> :-)
[05:58] <teferi> I don't care who made it or whether they eat babies.
[05:58] <ethics> so for some bizarre reason i have downloaded ubuntu i38 install cd around the 585 MB area....is there a windows way to md5chk them?
[05:59] <nickrud> teferi, lol
[05:59] <teferi> That's completely between them and the babies.
[05:59] <bojangles> teferi, but anyway my point is that you cannot go by what distros try to include because they don't know all the facts and some of the legal issues are still unsettled....so you have to err on the safe side.
[05:59] <_ted> levander: thank you
[05:59] <teferi> bojangles: good god, man, EVERYTHING unix speaks NFS
[05:59] <robotgeek> ethics: there's a program called blue md5 or something which is free (as in beer)
[05:59] <emX> ethics: see http://www.linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/verifyiso.html
[05:59] <levander> _ted: i think what you're talking about is edubuntu, at the top of this wiki page: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[05:59] <calc> even windows can do nfs with a download
[05:59] <teferi> bojangles: sun released it unencumbered eons ago
[05:59] <robotgeek> emX: better, i guess
[05:59] <levander> _ted: that wiki lists all the goals for breezy
[05:59] <teferi> just relax
[06:00] <emX> robotgeek: elinks is my friend.
[06:00] <emX> ;)
[06:00] <bojangles> teferi, ok...just making sure it was not that proprietary Novell File System...because NFS can stand for different things
[06:00] <chaps0063> I was wondering if there are any gui file synchronization utilities to sync between a local folder and a windows share.
[06:00] <teferi> if people put half the energy they do into having panic attacks over IP law into hacking, linux would be awesome
[06:00] <teferi> bojangles: You're thinking of NetWare
[06:00] <robotgeek> emX: are u talking abt the browser??
[06:00] <teferi> bojangles: There are several open-source implementations of NCP.
[06:00] <emX> robotgeek: yeah; quick find, copy, etc. makes helping easy.
[06:00] <teferi> All are completely legal.
[06:01] <bojangles> teferi, we don't touch open source stuff
[06:01] <calc> bojangles: Novell FS is called something else, i forgot what
[06:01] <teferi> NetWare Core Protocol Filesystem.
[06:01] <teferi> NO ONE calls Netware Novell FS.
[06:01] <calc> teferi: ah yea NCP
[06:01] <bojangles> teferi, many of them are being sued right and left by the big guys as soon as they get some money
[06:01] <robotgeek> emX: nice, i use simpy for all that...different systems, access to bookmarks is ensured
[06:01] <_ted> levander: thats is not the one I was referring to... will post link as soon as I get it back
[06:01] <bojangles> teferi, we don't touch open source
[06:01] <teferi> bojangles: well, seeing as novell is abandoning netware anyway, that's rather unlikely
[06:01] <teferi> but you know what? be that way. it's late and i'm too tired to care
[06:01] <teferi> night.
[06:01] <ethics> anyone know how to md5 check something from windows?
[06:02] <calc> bojangles: who is suing any open source company other than SCO?
[06:02] <FlyingSquirrel32> teferi: so It sounds like nfs is good if you're savy enough to set it up. just seems todays admin's have been temped by the dark side to go with something easier to set up[
[06:02] <wasabi> So what's the proper way now to set up a X login script for a user?
[06:02] <wasabi> So it works with GDM.
[06:02] <_ted> levander: http://www.ubuntulite.org/
[06:02] <teferi> There IS no "dark side", god damn it! There's stuff that works, and there's stuff that doesn't work, and that's the ONLY distinction that needs to be made!
[06:02] <robotgeek> wasabi: x login script??
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> FlyingSquirrel32: nfs is trivial to setup
[06:03] <hoof> i tried to compile kernel 2.6.12 and i couldnt make menuconfig...it's looking for ncurses
[06:03] <robotgeek> teferi: true, as long as it's not on the dark side :)
[06:03] <calc> NCP support itself has been in the linux kernel for many years (maybe even since 1.2 i can't remember that far back)
[06:03] <_ted> hoof: sudo apt-get install ncurses
[06:03] <ethics> teferi robotgeek: i refer to closed source as bl;ack magic rather than dark side....makes more sense to me hehe
[06:03] <wasabi> robotgeek, yeah to launch other than gnome-session
[06:03] <nickrud> teferi, I do happen to agree with you, I sometimes like to fish :)
[06:03] <hoof> _ted: couldnt be found...
[06:04] <emX> ethics: http://www.linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/verifyiso.html
[06:04] <robotgeek> !info build-essential
[06:04] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[06:04] <ethics> hoof: apt-get install build-essential
[06:04] <FlyingSquirrel32> teferi: but I can speak for the fact that when nfs is set up, it's MUCH nicer than SMB
[06:04] <hoof> what's build essential?
[06:04] <FlyingSquirrel32> HrdwrBoB:^
[06:04] <emX> hoof: apt-cache show build-essential
[06:04] <calc> FlyingSquirrel32: yea SMB sucks
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> hoof: needed to ./config
[06:04] <Orborde> Hey, Ubuntu folks. Where would I get a copy of the GNU dev tools suitable for Ubuntu installation, as Ubuntu seems to lack important things like a compiler?
[06:04] <ethics> hoof things that are essential to build stuff like kernels and debs in general.....
[06:04] <_ted> all the packages you need to install source packages
[06:04] <teferi> FlyingSquirrel32: that's not saying much, SMB is a bastard slut-whore of a protocol
[06:05] <nickrud> hoof, build-essential gets you gcc, etc
[06:05] <hoof> ahhhh...good...thanks
[06:05] <ethics> hoof: gcc make ncurses ....all the minimums
[06:05] <robotgeek> Orborde: apt-cache show build-essential
[06:05] <slinky> whats wrong with slut_whores?
[06:05] <hybrid_goth> SMB is based of network neighborhood
[06:05] <FlyingSquirrel32> HrdwrBoB: okay. hold on and I'll get the exports
[06:05] <calc> hybrid_goth: eh?
[06:05] <teferi> hybrid_goth: you're thinking of netbios broadcast name resolution
[06:05] <ethics> slinky:  tired hard day?
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> FlyingSquirrel32: what's the problem?
[06:05] <teferi> different thing altogether, though it also sucks
[06:05] <slinky> i guess.....sorry
[06:05] <teferi> and now stop talking to me, god damn it, i need sleep
[06:05] <FlyingSquirrel32> HrdwrBoB: Permission Denied.
[06:06] <levander> _ted: that link you sent me doesn't even show up in google's cache.  I guess it's possible they just haven't submitted it to google yet.
[06:06] <teferi> i hate you all. and now, good night for real. on pain of pain.
[06:06] <hybrid_goth> teferi: no i was readin in synaptic samba is made like network neighborhood in windows
[06:06] <nickrud> teferi, good night, and thanks
[06:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> HrdwrBoB: /home           <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>(sync,rw) laptop(rw)
[06:06] <teferi> no, it isn't, read the docs on samba.org, more about SMB, NetBIOS, and the rest than you ever wanted to know
[06:06] <robotgeek> teferi: nite
[06:06] <slinky> using ubuntu for cou[le weeks now...OK to use straight deb repos?
[06:07] <hoof> im liking what im experiencing in ubuntu so far...i think it's really stable compared to fedora or redhat
[06:07] <nickrud> slinky, if you mean debian repos, no
[06:07] <emX> slinky: not really; what do you need?
[06:07] <ubuntu> hi I'm trying to fix grub with Ubuntu Live CD, but it seems grub is not there, is there away to restore grub?
[06:07] <HrdwrBoB> FlyingSquirrel32: are you root
[06:07] <hoof> except for the rpm thingy
[06:07] <HrdwrBoB> FlyingSquirrel32: if so, that's the problem
[06:07] <slinky> well, havnt really came across situation yet, just curious
[06:07] <FlyingSquirrel32> HrdwrBoB: what?? I have to use sudo to run  the mount
[06:07] <emX> slinky: most everything you'll need is supplied in the ubuntu repos (or the 'universe' repository)
[06:07] <hypa7ia> could anyone tell me what the name of the gnome cd burning app is?
[06:08] <slinky> cool....ty
[06:08] <emX> hypa7ia: gnomebaker
[06:08] <HrdwrBoB> FlyingSquirrel32: you get permission denied with mount?
[06:08] <emX> slinky: np
[06:08] <nickrud> slinky, most of the debian repos as of around april 1 are available in ubuntu
[06:08] <hypa7ia> yay!
[06:08] <Orborde> robotgeek: Okay...so what do I do with this information? It spat out a filename; I assume I need to unpackage it? How do I do that?
[06:08] <hypa7ia> thanks emX !
[06:08] <emX> hypa7ia: there aer others, but i prefer gnomebaker
[06:08] <emX> s/aer/are
[06:08] <ubuntu> anyone knows how to restore grub with Live CD?
[06:08] <hypa7ia> oh no
[06:08] <slinky> really....sounds like someone is trying to replace debian?
[06:08] <Chinman> maybe it's a disc manager software
[06:08] <ethics> slinky: debs are just like rpms but a bit better....if its a crap build itll still crash etc....dependancies may be meetable but sometimes debs are built for a distro....ie etch/sarge over ubuntu
[06:08] <hypa7ia> i meant the one that comes by default
[06:08] <robotgeek> Orborde: you can install it to get all the basic tools, with a sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:09] <calc> ubuntu: make sure to mount the fs without nodev set
[06:09] <hypa7ia> emX: just in nautilus
[06:09] <ethics> well i cam from etch 2 days ago and no problems...
[06:09] <nickrud> slinky, the way I see it, is debian for the non-techs
[06:09] <calc> ubuntu: then chroot into the mount point
[06:09] <emX> hypa7ia: ??
[06:09] <calc> ubuntu: then run grub-install
[06:09] <FlyingSquirrel32> HrdwrBoB: Good god.
[06:09] <slinky> mmmm...id agree...judging by trhe ubuntu forum
[06:10] <nickrud> *channel, can never get that right
[06:10] <emX> nickrud: ;_
[06:10] <FlyingSquirrel32> HrdwrBoB: all this time I've been running: "sudo mount desktop:/hosts /nfs"
[06:10] <FlyingSquirrel32> AHhhhhh!!!!
[06:10] <hypa7ia> emX: it was nautilus-cd-burner
[06:10] <FlyingSquirrel32> wrong share name!
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> FlyingSquirrel32: hahah
[06:10] <ethics> debian is a server version ubuntu is the desktop version.....debians getting more desktop stuff daily tho and it's not far behind really
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> FlyingSquirrel32: oops
[06:10] <robotgeek> FlyingSquirrel32: get some cofee!
[06:10] <slinky> ah well, just though id pop in and check out the ubuntu channel
[06:10] <slinky> will drop by again
[06:11] <Orborde> robotgeek: Does that require an Internet connection? So far this Linux box has no Internet.
[06:11] <s0lid> how can i set xmms to run by default when i double click an mp3 file?
[06:11] <slinky> gonna go mount the wife now
[06:11] <FlyingSquirrel32> It wasn't until a was typing it in to show you guys that I noticed.
[06:11] <hypa7ia> oops
[06:11] <rok47> is the sid kernel image of 2.6.12 coming out soon? the udev package wont' upgrade because it requires 2.6.12 kernel
[06:11] <robotgeek> Orborde: yeah, you need a net connection. i guess there are extra cd's which you can download later
[06:11] <emX> hypa7ia: of course; sorry. that makes sense. that'll work, too.
[06:11] <FlyingSquirrel32> Of course I alsways was repeating the same command with the up arrow
[06:11] <ethics> slinky  mount -t rootfs /dev/wife  /mounts/me
[06:11] <s0lid> how can i set xmms to run by default when i double click an mp3 file?
[06:12] <hypa7ia> okay, next question.  i've got a bunch of invalid unicode in some m[3
[06:12] <hypa7ia> errr crap, cant type tonight
[06:12] <ethics> s0lid : gnome?
[06:12] <robotgeek> Orborde: also there are apt-zip and apt-move, but i havent used them before
[06:12] <Orborde> Okay, then, where might I find a decent freeware proxy server?
[06:12] <FlyingSquirrel32> HrdwrBoB: thanks for your help, good night all!
[06:12] <hypa7ia> okay, next question.  i've got a bunch of invalid unicode in some mp3 filenames and i'm trying to locate which files have them.  any suggestions?
[06:12] <calc> hypa7ia: might not be unicode then
[06:12] <zwnj> that is /.dev?  i have no problem when umount it...
[06:13] <Orborde> robotgeek: it's asking for the CD...
[06:13] <ethics> hypa7ia  Grep
[06:13] <hypa7ia> grep for what though, don't knwo what characters are incorrect
[06:13] <FlyingSquirrel32> Hey, one more thing... What should I use NIS, LDAP or something else?
[06:13] <calc> hypa7ia: hmm
[06:13] <robotgeek> Orborde: are u on a different machine than ur ubuntu?
[06:13] <ethics> hypa7ia  you can do most things with grep but amarok has a retty hardcore databse engine in it for a mp3 player if you need gui
[06:14] <emX> FlyingSquirrel32: I'd go with openLDAP
[06:14] <robotgeek> Orborde: i forgot, you would need to install both those programs using the net again. my bad
[06:14] <hypa7ia> i actually just need to get these files onto a dvd so i can return them to their owner
[06:14] <ethics> hypa7ia do you know what mp3s?
[06:14] <hypa7ia> nope
[06:14] <hypa7ia> that's the problem
[06:14] <emX> FlyingSquirrel32: NIS installs are becoming fewer and further between; LDAP sites are growing.
[06:14] <robotgeek> Orborde: you might be better off getting the extra cd
[06:14] <emX> (anecdotally)
[06:14] <hypa7ia> i thought i had renamed allt he problem ones but i'm getting the same rror
[06:15] <ethics> hypa7ia: hmm ok so how do you know they have unicode/?
[06:15] <FlyingSquirrel32> emX: can you suggest a howto or something similar?
[06:15] <ethics> hypa7ia and could you just retag them and solve it you think?
[06:16] <hypa7ia> tags arent the problem
[06:16] <emX> FlyingSquirrel32: hang on; finding...
[06:16] <hypa7ia> ethics: filenames are
[06:16] <ethics> hypa7ia  there were a few mass tag changers so if the id3 tags are good you can tag the files from id3 or vice versa
[06:16] <hypa7ia> yeah
[06:16] <hypa7ia> that's not the issue, it;s the filenames
[06:16] <hypa7ia> and i don;t know how to generically search for "bad unicode"
[06:17] <hypa7ia> gues i'm stuck with ls -R | less
[06:17] <emX> FlyingSquirrel32: http://aqua.subnet.at/~max/ldap/ -- focuses on debian woody/sarge, but should be generally applicable
[06:17] <calc> i think something writes to syslog for bad unicode filenames (iirc)
[06:17] <calc> so if that happens you could catch it that way
[06:18] <Chinman> how to mount ntfs in ubuntu linux?
[06:18] <hypa7ia> ooh, cool, how do i do that?  tail /var/something?
[06:18] <coolkev> chinman
[06:18] <FlyingSquirrel32> emX: is this diff from plain ldap?
[06:18] <coolkev> do you know what drive it is?
[06:18] <emX> FlyingSquirrel32: how so?
[06:19] <coolkev> like hda1 or hda2?
[06:19] <levander> teferi: the three discs I tried testing with md5sum all gave me io errors when I ran as "md5sum /dev/hdc".  However, I just copied the entire disc over just fine using Windows Explorer and copying from the CD to the hard drive.  I don't think that tests works.
[06:19] <Chinman> coolkev, hda3
[06:19] <emX> levander: teferi's gone to sleep...
[06:19] <Orborde> robotgeek: Yes, I'm on a separate machine from my Ubuntu, but I have the Ubuntu working with this one via network file sharing.
[06:19] <FlyingSquirrel32> emX: no, I'm asking. Is this the same as "plain" ldap
[06:19] <emX> FlyingSquirrel32: openLDAP and 'plain' LDAP are interoperable, yes.
[06:19] <nickrud> levander, and, the copy is the ultimate test :)
[06:19] <coolkev> where do you want to mount chinman?
[06:19] <Orborde> robotgeek: I think I just managed to install everything from my Ubuntu install CD.
[06:20] <bojangles> calc, it is all over the place....but if SCO gets $3billion dollars from IBM....there will be lots of lawsuits flying in every direction
[06:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> emX:cool. I like open.
[06:20] <coolkev> do you kno the specific folder?
[06:20] <emX> FlyingSquirrel32: open is nice, indeed.
[06:20] <calc> bojangles: SCO will not get anything
[06:20] <coolkev> remember the folder must exiist
[06:20] <trs80> ok, disabling the raid 1 still leaves iowait of 10%+
[06:20] <Chinman> coolkev: mnt
[06:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> thanks. see you guy later.
[06:20] <coolkev> ok
[06:20] <calc> bojangles: they have no case at all
[06:20] <robotgeek> Orborde: yeah, i follow. but there's an additional cd with other packages. i'm trying to pull up the link
[06:20] <calc> bojangles: it will likely get a summary judgement once the preliminaries are done at the end of the year
[06:20] <coolkev> Chinman: sudo mount /dev/hda3 /mnt -t ntfs -o umask=222
[06:20] <emX> SCO -> #ubuntu-offtopic?
[06:21] <bojangles> calc, well lots of legal issues are still unsettled...and patience is required to sort out the facts
[06:21] <calc> bojangles: with no cases what is there to sort?
[06:21] <calc> please take it to offtopic channel as emX mentioned
[06:21] <bojangles> calc, who knows i am not a judge..there is some Judge Kimball or someone looking into everything
[06:22] <emX> calc: ;)
[06:22] <Orborde> Question time: What IRC clients are you folks using?
[06:22] <trs80> xchat
[06:22] <coolkev> xchat
[06:22] <robotgeek> irssi
[06:22] <trs80> (on win32, but I'm at work. my main irc client is ircII though)
[06:22] <emX> Orborde: irssi (aliased to 'irc' on Ubuntu)
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:23] <emX> hello da_bon_bon
[06:23] <tritium> da_bon_bon, blast from the past.  How are you?
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> anyone here uses ubuntu-lite ?
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> hi emX
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> tritium: lol.. i am fine :)
[06:23] <ethics> so this hoary install disc is a screwed image on the website or is there some bizarre burning method?
[06:24] <SPCCrow> !info x
[06:24] <robotgeek> Orborde: moment, slow internet :(
[06:24] <Chinman> coolkev: what's the umask=222 means?
[06:24] <da_bon_bon> how bout you, tritium ?
[06:24] <SPCCrow> How do i get ubuntu to reinstall the x package?
[06:24] <coolkev> i don't know... but it's just the way it is
[06:24] <tritium> da_bon_bon, I'm fine, thanks :)
[06:24] <coolkev> i have been doing it this why
[06:24] <emX> SPCCrow: sudo apt-get --reinstall install x-window-system
[06:24] <calc> bojangles: do you think that if there was a case IBM wouldn't have already bought SCO since they are only worth $70M? :)
[06:24] <emX> ?
[06:24] <robotgeek> to xhcat users, how do you switch tabs?
[06:24] <tritium> SPCCrow, why reinstall?
[06:24] <Orborde> robotgeek: Compared to my dialup, anything is fast. Delay away.
[06:25] <calc> IBMs part of the court case alone probably costs more than that
[06:25] <ethics> has anyone here burnt the hoary 5.04 install for i386?  seems the images are all gooshed...
[06:25] <robotgeek> Orborde: i am on a filthy wireless, with the router far far away!
[06:25] <SPCCrow> The x-server messed up and now ubuntu cant start it, need to reinstall and reconfigure it
[06:25] <emX> ethics: I burned a hoary disc recently; no problem for me.
[06:25] <Chinman> is there a default root pasworld in ubuntu?
[06:25] <hybrid_goth> nope
[06:25] <emX> Chinman: no; use sudo instead
[06:25] <hybrid_goth> Chinman: root is disabled
[06:26] <hybrid_goth> !sudo
[06:26] <ubotu> [sudo]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:26] <emX> robotgeek: i sympathize; my radio's trying to connect through a hot, humid day. makes IRC a jittery experience...
[06:26] <robotgeek> @all, please give Orborde the link for the ubuntu extra packages cd!
[06:27] <robotgeek> emX: *sigh*
[06:27] <ethics> ubotu if i have a iso with the right md5 checksum and the fucking think doesnt work from 4 servers who do i need to tell?
[06:27] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, ethics
[06:27] <emX> robotgeek: fricking humidity...
[06:27] <ethics> sigh
[06:27] <Chinman> thanks. the ubuntu is different to other linux systems
[06:27] <robotgeek> emX: it's nighttime here :)
[06:27] <ICXCNIKA> Well my ubuntu cd came in today. However, I am not certain once I put it on my computer I will have internet access.
[06:28] <emX> robotgeek: same here.
[06:28] <emX> ICXCNIKA: how do you access the internet? wired? wireless?
[06:28] <Madpilot> ethics: ubotu really is a bot...
[06:28] <s0lid> how can i set xmms to run by default when i double click an mp3 file? yes it's gnome
[06:28] <ICXCNIKA> Well currently through a Conexant modem.
[06:29] <Oompa> :) I just installed Ubuntu. I am on it right now :D
[06:29] <ICXCNIKA> However when I am at university, I use ethernet. I also have wireless, and I am sure that won't work once I install it.
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> bbl
[06:29] <robotgeek> lol
[06:29] <Oompa> Can someone point me in the direction of the ubuntu forums?
[06:29] <emX> ICXCNIKA: standard PCI network cards are supported under ubuntu
[06:30] <robotgeek> www.ubuntuforums.org
[06:30] <Oompa> thanks
[06:30] <ICXCNIKA> Just not my wireless or my dial-up.
[06:30] <s0lid> how can i set xmms to run by default when i double click an mp3 file? yes it's gnome
[06:30] <robotgeek> ICXCNIKA: which wireless card do u have?
[06:30] <robotgeek> s0lid: moment
[06:30] <ICXCNIKA> Dell TrueMobile WLAN 1300
[06:31] <robotgeek> s0lid: right-click on the mp3 file
[06:31] <illogic-al> how do i get ubunutu to play mp3s
[06:31] <tritium> !restricted
[06:31] <ubotu> I heard restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:31] <emX> Agrajag: interesting nick switch; no arthur here, though.
[06:31] <emX> ;)
[06:31] <robotgeek> say open with other application
[06:31] <hondje> hrm
[06:31] <sky_monkey007> ICXCNIKA, I don't know about your particular wireless card, but Ubuntu was able to recognize my Netgear WG511 right off the bat
[06:31] <hondje> nautilus doesn't like .eps files?
[06:32] <hondje> how odd
[06:32] <tritium> hondje, it shouldn't have any problems
[06:32] <s0lid> robotgeek, how can i make the xmms program be the default player for mp3 files?
[06:32] <Agrajag> Zaphod is the nick I use most places; someone else has it here
[06:32] <calc> bojangles: how long have you used that nick btw? it sounds vaguely familiar
[06:32] <sky_monkey007> what wireless chipset does your laptop use?
[06:32] <robotgeek> say open with xmms
[06:32] <hondje> tritium: it cried about it being postscript (reasonable) and then told me to pick an application to open it with :-/
[06:32] <benplaut> atheros, for me
[06:32] <Agrajag> But some idiot bastard keeps trying to take it, so anytime I get disconnected I have to remember to kill him and switch back
[06:32] <tritium> hondje, hm
[06:32] <Agrajag> s/it/Agrajag/
[06:32] <sky_monkey007> Zaphod?
[06:33] <ICXCNIKA> sky_monkey: I'm not sure.
[06:33] <sky_monkey007> are you from CJ?
[06:33] <s0lid> robotgeek, yes
[06:33] <emX> Agrajag: hehe; rather apropos to your current nick, no?
[06:33] <hondje> doeesn't thumbnail them either
[06:33] <robotgeek> one sec..
[06:33] <Agrajag> Somewhat I suppose
[06:33] <Agrajag> it's really annoying; I think the guy who keeps taking it is a bot
[06:33] <emX> Agrajag: ouch.
[06:33] <sky_monkey007> Agrajag, your not from CJ.com, are you?
[06:33] <Agrajag> no
[06:33] <ICXCNIKA> I guess I will have to install it on another partition and just check..ugh.
[06:34] <robotgeek> s0lid: got it, right click -> properties -> open with -> xmms
[06:34] <sky_monkey007> good.  Just checking
[06:35] <s0lid> robotgeek, oh yeah! thank you very much :)
[06:35] <calc> bojangles: still here?
[06:35] <levander> what's the most popular playlist format?
[06:35] <emX> levander: .pls?
[06:35] <hondje> .m3u?
[06:35] <robotgeek> ICXCNIKA: did u check the ndiswrapper wiki?
[06:35] <emX> heh
[06:35] <Oompa> Can anyone point me in the direction of a tutorial on how to mount hard drives?
[06:36] <robotgeek> Oompa: man mount
[06:36] <levander> i need to write two scripts, one to generate xspf playlists cause it's the best format, another to generate a more popular format
[06:36] <ICXCNIKA> Yes I am looking at it. However, I am not using wireless at the moment. I am using dial-up. So I want to figure out how to get my conexant modem working...or if Ubuntu will read it.
[06:36] <bojangles> calc, yes...but anyway there are still quite a few lawsuits going on....just recently some law suit was levied against someone who hacked someone else's game server
[06:37] <emX> Oompa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingANewHardDrive
[06:37] <emX> Oompa: above link generally addresses your question; can you be more specific?
[06:37] <ICXCNIKA> If I run the Liveversion, I wonder if it will be detected...
[06:37] <ICXCNIKA> Or if that is a good way to test.
[06:37] <Flying-Penguin> HELLO all
[06:38] <calc> bojangles: bnetd?
[06:38] <bojangles> calc, but anyway the stuff is not settled so it is best to err on the safe side.
[06:38] <bojangles> calc, i think it was called Battlenet or something like that
[06:38] <emX> calc, bojangles: -> #ubuntu-offtopic?
[06:38] <emX> :-)
[06:38] <calc> bojangles: that case is even older than the SCO one
[06:38] <calc> emX: ok :)
[06:38] <emX> it's nice and quiet there...
[06:39] <ICXCNIKA> Let me see...
[06:42] <emX> HrdwrBoB: really? i always wondered how the product stacked up...
[06:43] <EightBit> hey
[06:44] <EightBit> can someone here help me w/ installation?
[06:44] <emX> can you describe the problem?
[06:44] <Oompa> I just went thought it :D
[06:44] <tritium> EightBit, please elaborate
[06:44] <bojangles> calc, well what about the lawsuit where some people were rerouting other people's websites to get all their traffic
[06:44] <EightBit> well, quite simply
[06:45] <bojangles> calc, anyway there are quite a few
[06:45] <EightBit> I have no idea how to install this thing
[06:45] <hosler> What is an easy and fun programming language for *nix operating systems? I want something that will allow me to write and compile very fast. Maybe something like vb6 on windows.
[06:45] <EightBit> I haven't used linux before
[06:45] <Oompa> 8: ok
[06:45] <Oompa> Burn it to an cd
[06:45] <tritium> hosler, you might like python
[06:45] <EightBit> burn what?
[06:45] <Oompa> then stick it in your computer and reboot
[06:45] <Oompa> ubuntu installer..
[06:45] <Madpilot> !download
[06:45] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Madpilot
[06:45] <robotgeek> python rocks!
[06:45] <tritium> EightBit, what is it you want to install?  ubuntu itself?
[06:45] <EightBit> yes
[06:46] <EightBit> i downloaded
[06:46] <hosler> tritium: any books/websites you recommend to start learning?
[06:46] <EightBit> the unbuntu live files
[06:46] <EightBit> and the permanent installation files
[06:46] <tritium> hosler, even one already installed on your machine...
[06:46] <hosler> tritium: a tutorial is allready on my machine?
[06:46] <tritium> hosler, open up the help system (life-preserver icon) and go to Applications->Programming->Dive Into Python :)
[06:47] <EightBit> what files do I need to burn?
[06:47] <Madpilot> EightBit: and you burned them to CD?
[06:47] <EightBit> not yet
[06:47] <hosler> tritium: ok well is there a good gui for programming in python, or is it all done in the command line?
[06:47] <EightBit> i wanna know what to burn first
[06:47] <Agrajag> you downloaded two iso files, right?
[06:47] <Madpilot> EightBit: you need to burn the whole ISO - either LiveCD or Install - to your CD
[06:47] <Oompa> Or one.
[06:47] <tritium> hosler, also, you can install python-doc, and it'll have a nice tutorial as well
[06:47] <emX> hosler: python (like other languages) can be written in plain text files.
[06:47] <Agrajag> he said both
[06:48] <The_Vox> hosler: I *think* Eclips has a python module
[06:48] <Orborde> My Ubuntu is no longer seeing my Windows shares or computers. The network is up and ping, etc. work, but I can't access the shares or even see the computers under Samba.
[06:48] <tritium> EightBit, you only need the install CD if you want to install it.
[06:48] <EightBit> i am confused
[06:49] <Agrajag> EightBit: what exactly did you download?
[06:49] <The_Vox> Orborde: are smbd and nmbd running on your linux box?
[06:49] <Orborde> The_Vox: How do I find out?
[06:49] <The_Vox> Orborde: open a terminal, type "ps ax | grep mbd" and tell me what it spits out
[06:49] <hosler> tritium: I have diveintopython allready installed on my computer but its not on my meny. What should I open it with?
[06:49] <Orborde> The_Vox: Not to sound too stupid, but it worked yesterday.
[06:49] <EightBit> wait a second
[06:50] <EightBit> do I oput what's inside the .rar thing onto a cd?
[06:50] <EightBit> *put
[06:50] <Agrajag> .rar thing?
[06:50] <The_Vox> EightBit: rar??
[06:50] <emX> The_Vox: eclipse does have a python module, called pydev
[06:50] <FlannelKing> EightBit, it should be an .iso, not a .rar
[06:50] <Agrajag> ubuntu doesn't come in a rar file
[06:50] <EightBit> yeah
[06:50] <EightBit> it's called .iso
[06:50] <tritium> hosler, you should be able to view it from the help system (yelp)
[06:50] <EightBit> but
[06:50] <Agrajag> then it's an iso
[06:50] <The_Vox> emX: figures...the Eclipse dudes want to have a module for everything under the sun :)
[06:50] <EightBit> it opens in winrar
[06:50] <Agrajag> not a rar
[06:50] <FlannelKing> EightBit, you need to open it via burning software
[06:50] <Agrajag> ignore that, you don't use winrar for this
[06:50] <Madpilot> winrar has some odd ideas about what it should be opening...
[06:50] <Orborde> The_Vox: 7151 pts/0  R+  0:00 grep mpd, which I assume is grep itself.
[06:50] <The_Vox> maddy_: amen
[06:51] <EightBit> i will host a picture
[06:51] <The_Vox> Orborde: that was it?
[06:51] <FlannelKing> say winrar can open isos, thats it, dont worry abou tthat, open your burning software and open it that way
[06:51] <emX> vim uses me for everything...
[06:51] <Orborde> The_Vox: Yes.
[06:51] <Agrajag> we don't need a picture, you just need burning software
[06:51] <The_Vox> robotgeek: I use emacs for everything :P
[06:51] <FlannelKing> EightBit, what do you use to brun CDs?
[06:51] <Agrajag> Do you have nero?
[06:51] <Agrajag> or something similar?
[06:51] <robotgeek> The_Vox: so u are actually dual booting ?
[06:52] <The_Vox> Orborde: type this now: sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[06:52] <EightBit> ummm
[06:52] <EightBit> to be honest
[06:52] <Madpilot> EightBit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[06:52] <EightBit> I never burn Cd's
[06:52] <sri> hi folks
[06:52] <EightBit> but i have the hardware to do so
[06:52] <emX> hi, sri
[06:52] <The_Vox> robotgeek: lol! no, it's vm'ing...the kernel.el module isn't ready yet ;)
[06:52] <FlannelKing> Alright, do you have an OEM computer?
[06:52] <sri> anybody know when the split up of xbase-clients will be out?
[06:52] <robotgeek> The_Vox: :)
[06:52] <Agrajag> Did your CD burner come with software?
[06:52] <sri> hiya emX
[06:52] <EightBit> nope
[06:52] <EightBit> it DID
[06:52] <EightBit> but I had a bad format
[06:53] <FlannelKing> EightBit, if you put a blank CD in the CDrom, what comes up?
[06:53] <EightBit> a bunch of options
[06:53] <Agrajag> hm, there's some free burning software out there for windows, but damned if I can remember what it's called
[06:53] <Oompa> what's the kernal version I am useing if I just downloaded ubuntu tuday?
[06:53] <FlannelKing> EightBit, you'll get the windows options, what software is in there?
[06:53] <EightBit> like what I want to install
[06:53] <EightBit> blah
[06:53] <Orborde> The_Vox: command not found
[06:53] <EightBit> i mean burn
[06:53] <EightBit> http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/2706/files7bb.png
[06:53] <The_Vox> Orborde: uhm...try sudo /etc/init.d/smb start
[06:53] <EightBit> those are the files that came up
[06:54] <nickrud> Oompa, uname -r  tells you your running kernel, 2.6.10-5-386 for me
[06:54] <robotgeek> who was trying to use the Dell Tru Mobile 1300 wireless card?
[06:54] <The_Vox> EightBit: you want to burn the ISO itself
[06:54] <Orborde> The_Vox: command not found
[06:54] <EightBit> not the files?
[06:54] <Madpilot> EightBit: see the URL I posted above, it's got Windows instructions for you
[06:54] <emX> robotgeek: ICXCNIKA, gone now
[06:54] <FlannelKing> EightBit, put a blank CD into the CDrom, and tell us what options come up in the windows option thingy
[06:54] <Oompa> nickrud: uname : command now found
[06:54] <robotgeek> i found what he needed :)
[06:55] <robotgeek> !info info
[06:55] <ubotu> info: (Standalone GNU Info documentation browser), section doc, is important. Version: 4.7-2.2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 175 kB, Installed size: 344 kB
[06:55] <nickrud> Oompa, that's hard to believe, check your spelling: 'uname -r'
[06:55] <Razor-X> robotgeek: i'm assuming you knew what it was before you asked ubotu about it?
[06:55] <The_Vox> Orborde: uhm...hold on...you don't have samba server stuff installed, but you were looking at shares and all yesterday, right?
[06:55] <Oompa> nickrud: oops extra n. Thanks :)
[06:55] <robotgeek> Razor-X: which info did u mean though?
[06:55] <IcemanV9> is it possible to create gui program by using REXX?
[06:56] <nickrud> Razor-X, I look at it now and then, it's usually the man page
[06:56] <robotgeek> Razor-X: i've never used the bash info, only man
[06:56] <Razor-X> robotgeek: info is a form of documentation, more verbose than a man page
[06:56] <Razor-X> nickrud: yeah
[06:56] <Razor-X> I don't browse info that often, even if it is the emacs documentation of choice
[06:56] <Razor-X> seems there's a bloody wealth of stuff here though....
[06:57] <The_Vox> robotgeek: see? you are a persecuted minority now :P
[06:57] <Razor-X> robotgeek: as far as I can gather, i'm probably about one of the 2 or 3 users here of emacs
[06:57] <The_Vox> Razor-X: add me to the count :)
[06:57] <Razor-X> The_Vox: you're one ;)
[06:57] <tritium> Razor-X, is bloody wealth similar to blood money?
[06:57] <nickrud> nooo, not again
[06:57] <Orborde> The_Vox: Yes, I did have shares yesterday. I have no idea about the Samba. Perhaps I should reinstall the package?
[06:57] <The_Vox> Razor-X: lol!
[06:57] <robotgeek> vi/vim users, shout!
[06:58] <EightBit> grrr
[06:58] <robotgeek> sorry!
[06:58] <nickrud> heeeeeeeeeey
[06:58] <The_Vox> Orborde: no, let's go from the fact that you had it working....are you on gnome or kde?
[06:58] <EightBit> okay, I downloaded the stuff of the site
[06:58] <Razor-X> tritium: no, basically `lots of stuff in here'
[06:58] <nekohayo> hey there, could someone tell me if it is planned as a major goal to remove OSS/ESD/whatever and JUST keep an ALSA that works in the final breezy or something?
[06:58] <tritium> Razor-X, I know, just joking ;)
[06:58] <EightBit> and
[06:58] <Razor-X> ;)
[06:58] <EightBit> whenever i click it
[06:58] <EightBit> a bunch of files open up in WinRAR
[06:58] <FlannelKing> EightBit, you need to stop clicking it.
[06:58] <The_Vox> nekohayo: I hope not...ALSA sucks with my sound card
[06:58] <EightBit> heh
[06:58] <Razor-X> EightBit: unrar-nonfree works better than unrar
[06:58] <FlannelKing> EightBit, Insert a blank CD into your CDR, and tell us what programs it gives you as options
[06:59] <Razor-X> but, I wouldn't suggest it unless you actually _need_ it
[06:59] <Madpilot> Razor-X: I'm pretty sure he's still in Windoze
[06:59] <The_Vox> Razor-X: he's on windows
[06:59] <nekohayo> The_Vox, don't know, but I hate to have three daemons running that collide with each other
[06:59] <Razor-X> ahhh, ok
[06:59] <FlannelKing> Razor-X, he hasnt gotten that far yet ;)
[06:59] <Orborde> The_Vox: Gnome...well, I think so...yes, it's Gnome.
[06:59] <The_Vox> nekohayo: OSS and ALSA aren't daemons :)
[06:59] <nekohayo> what's more, no way to get skype to get sound
[06:59] <EightBit> i am a n00b
[06:59] <EightBit> okay
[06:59] <robotgeek> i dunno even if i am using alsa/oss, i have both modules loaded (altast the alsa emulation)
[06:59] <Razor-X> what's his problem?
[06:59] <nekohayo> sound servers then?
[06:59] <EightBit> it says
[06:59] <nekohayo> what's the term?
[06:59] <EightBit> no programs
[06:59] <EightBit> just
[06:59] <EightBit> shows me the file for the CD
[06:59] <Agrajag> he's just clicking on it in windows because when the only tool you've used is a hammer, everything looks like a nail
[06:59] <FlannelKing> What file for the CD?
[06:59] <Razor-X> nekohayo: well, it seems some UNIX users still love the local client-server concept
[06:59] <EightBit> and when you put files on it
[06:59] <Razor-X> *shrugs*
[06:59] <EightBit> you burn it to it
[06:59] <FlannelKing> as in, the folder?
[06:59] <robotgeek> i meant oss emulation
[06:59] <EightBit> yes
[06:59] <EightBit> the folder, I mean
[06:59] <Razor-X> I could care less, in sound anyways, ALSA works fine
[07:00] <Orborde> The_Vox: According to Synaptic I have samba-common and smbclient installed, but not samba.
[07:00] <The_Vox> Orborde: ok, now you are in stuff I've never used lol! But I assume (damn, I hate to do that) that you should be able to type something in the nautilus addy bar that should show you the shares
[07:00] <Agrajag> you don't want a folder, just the file you downloaded
[07:00] <The_Vox> Orborde: that makes sense
[07:00] <Razor-X> 'cept aRts has better support for simeltaneous sounds
[07:00] <EightBit> is the whole thing just one file?
[07:00] <Agrajag> don't extract the files
[07:00] <Agrajag> yes
[07:00] <Agrajag> you burn it as an iso file straight to a CD
[07:00] <robotgeek> EightBit: what cd burning program do u have?
[07:00] <nekohayo> well usually, I want ONE thing controlling my system T_T actually the choice should be given at install time maybe
[07:00] <The_Vox> Orborde: do you know what the IP of each of your boxes is?
[07:00] <EightBit> don't have one
[07:01] <Razor-X> EightBit: an ISO is a file that contains all the files of a CD, coupled with extra information (such as boot-sector info)
[07:01] <Orborde> The_Vox: Yes. I assigned them statically just so I'd know.
[07:01] <LeeColleton> I have a broadcom BCM4301 card that I have heard works with Ubuntu.  Which drivers do I need to probe?
[07:01] <Madpilot> EightBit: there's a link to a freeware Windows burner prog on the URL I posted
[07:01] <robotgeek> EightBit: do u have a burner?
[07:01] <EightBit> yes
[07:01] <nickrud> nekohayo, if your sound card cannot handle multiple sound sources, you could try the following link
[07:01] <Razor-X> you shouldn't extract files from an ISO, because it contains extra information
[07:01] <konki> anyone knows how i can install the firefox extensions "torrentbar" also others... the the extension website always take me to upgrade to firefox 1.0.5... this makes the website sucky
[07:01] <nickrud> !sound
[07:01] <ubotu> sound is probably http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[07:01] <EightBit> alright
[07:01] <EightBit> i will put the .iso
[07:01] <Razor-X> and you shouldn't burn the ISO itself as a file straight to the CD, because that defeats the point of a file that describes the CD
[07:01] <Toasta> hello
[07:01] <EightBit> on the CD
[07:01] <The_Vox> Orborde: ok, type this in a terminal: smbclient -L ip.of.remote.box
[07:02] <ICXCNIKA> Well it won't detect my modem.
[07:02] <The_Vox> Orborde: tell me what it spits out
[07:02] <Razor-X> so, most burners out there allow you to burn CD images
[07:02] <EightBit> just as an archive?
[07:02] <robotgeek> ICXCNIKA: your wireless card works with ndiswrapper
[07:02] <EightBit> can i have that link again?
[07:02] <FlannelKing> EightBit, do you have SP2 installed?
[07:02] <EightBit> i am pretty sure I do
[07:02] <LeeColleton> I think that the Broadcom BCM4301 card works somehow with the adm8211 driver, but I have loaded this and no joy
[07:02] <konki> i already have firefox 1.0.4 installed thru apt...
[07:02] <EightBit> yeah, I have to
[07:02] <FlannelKing> EightBit, DONT just copy the iso to the cD, it wont work.
[07:02] <Agrajag> EightBit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[07:02] <EightBit> thanks a ton
[07:02] <Razor-X> you can use Burn-at-once (a CDRDAO frontend) to burn ISOs
[07:03] <ICXCNIKA> Yes robotgeek. I am aware of that. However, I cannot operate my dial-up modem...which is the only mode of internet access available to me at this time.
[07:03] <Razor-X> ICXCNIKA: is it a winmodem?
[07:03] <ICXCNIKA> It's conexant. So yes, I believe it is.
[07:03] <oga> hey all... i'm using a long cord for my LAN and in windows the only way to get connectivity is to force the speed to 10mb/s at half duplex but i dont know how to do this with linux
[07:03] <ICXCNIKA> I tried to autodetect the Modem port. No luck.
[07:03] <Razor-X> have you googled about linux compatibility/drivers?
[07:03] <Orborde> The_Vox: Three lines; all are "session request failed" to <IP_ADDRESS>, 27, and *SMBSERVER, respectively, and all three end with (Called name not present)
[07:04] <Oompa> Can anyone help me mount a hard drive?
[07:04] <Oompa> I am really confused.
[07:04] <Razor-X> oga: why do you need to force a speed?
[07:04] <EightBit> is unbuntu better than redhat?
[07:04] <ICXCNIKA> Yes. I can't seem to find a driver to download or to make sense from it.
[07:04] <nekohayo> thanks ppl
[07:04] <Razor-X> how can you force a speed that isn't physically possible??
[07:04] <robotgeek> EightBit: definetly
[07:04] <Razor-X> EightBit: in my opinion, leagues beyond leagues
[07:04] <oga> as opposed to autonegotiate speed
[07:04] <tritium> It's possible
[07:04] <EightBit> hehe
[07:04] <EightBit> cause
[07:04] <EightBit> I had some redhat boot disks
[07:04] <EightBit> but they didn't work
[07:04] <The_Vox> Orborde: uhm...ugly. Ok, time to play hardball...use synaptic or whatever tool of choice and install samba
[07:04] <Razor-X> oga: ahhh, I see
[07:05] <Toasta> quick question... if i remove the install cd from synaptics list of sources will it get all nessacary files from online repository?
[07:05] <FlannelKing> yes Toasta
[07:05] <Razor-X> what's the gist of the LAN setup?
[07:05] <LeeColleton> my friend has the exact same broadcom card working with Ubuntu but it doesn't work with my system, even with the adm8211 module loaded.  Grr!
[07:05] <Toasta> sweet, thanks
[07:05] <FlannelKing> Toasta, well, provided you have them enabled
[07:05] <Razor-X> Toasta: yeahp
[07:05] <Orborde> The_Vox: Yay! Overkill!"
[07:05] <oga> the reason is.... who knows.... but i know that fixes it in windows
[07:05] <EightBit> does redhat cost $$$?
[07:05] <oga> just lappy to router
[07:05] <Toasta> have what enabled
[07:05] <Razor-X> EightBit: yes
[07:05] <tritium> oga, possibly a module parameter.  which NIC do you haev?
[07:05] <tritium> have
[07:05] <oga> but this happens with pc also with this cable
[07:05] <robotgeek> Broadcom sucks!
[07:05] <EightBit> i thought linux was open source?
[07:05] <The_Vox> Orborde: hehehe overkill works every time...specially when I have never used nautilus and have no clue how to fix it lol!
[07:05] <Razor-X> Fedora (a free fork) doesen't, though
[07:05] <bojangles> EightBit, you bet....lots and lots of them
[07:05] <LeeColleton> yeah,
[07:05] <Agrajag> open source doesn't mean free of charge
[07:05] <oga> nic?
[07:05] <bojangles> EightBit, they are nearly as expensive as MS
[07:05] <LeeColleton> Broadcom is the suxx0rz
[07:06] <Razor-X> EightBit: here's something to remember for all of eternity, branded in your brain Open Sources ~= free
[07:06] <Toasta> and how do you enable them?
[07:06] <nickrud> !tell Toasta about repositories
[07:06] <Razor-X> remember that, remember it well
[07:06] <tritium> oga, Network Interface Card
[07:06] <LeeColleton> too bad I already bought a card
[07:06] <Razor-X> oga: Network Interface Card
[07:06] <EightBit> ahhhh
[07:06] <EightBit> i saw redhat at fryes
[07:06] <FlannelKing> Razor-X, you mean Open Source != free?
[07:06] <EightBit> considered buying it
[07:06] <Razor-X> errr, yeah, sorry
[07:06] <Razor-X> I was gonna use \noteq
[07:06] <robotgeek> luckily, I am not using Broadcom, Intel guys have ndiswrapper
[07:06] <Razor-X> but, not many people here LaTeX
[07:06] <Orborde> The_Vox: I'm not sure this machine even has Nautilus.
[07:06] <bojangles> Razor-X, he is right...there is nothing free about opensource....stick with gpl
[07:06] <Agrajag> red hat is only worth buying for a corporation that needs the tech support
[07:07] <The_Vox> Orborde: if you have gnome, you have nautilus...it's the file manager thingy that gnome uses
[07:07] <EightBit> ahhh
[07:07] <Agrajag> bojangles: huh, gpl doesn't mean free either
[07:07] <Razor-X> bojangles: hmmm?
[07:07] <EightBit> okay
[07:07] <Toasta> thanks nickrud
[07:07] <EightBit> i am gonna burn the .iso
[07:07] <Agrajag> You can charge all you want for GPL software
[07:07] <bojangles> Agrajag, yes the gpl is the only license that truly frees the code
[07:07] <EightBit> thanks for all the help, guys
[07:07] <Razor-X> GNU GPL is an Open-Source license
[07:07] <Razor-X> doesen't mean free
[07:07] <Agrajag> you can slap GNU Emacs on a CD and charge $100 for it
[07:07] <LeeColleton> Fuck me sideways, does noone have a Broadcom BCM4301 card?
[07:07] <nickrud> Toasta, np, ubotu knows <almost> all :)
[07:07] <Razor-X> exactly
[07:07] <Agrajag> totally legal
[07:07] <The_Vox> LeeColleton: not me
[07:07] <Razor-X> exactly ;)
[07:07] <Toasta> almost huh
[07:07] <Agrajag> as long as you provide the source code
[07:07] <oga> with the nic what is the best way to find out
[07:08] <robotgeek> Agrajag: though i dunno any gpl'ed frograms which are not free==0$
[07:08] <LeeColleton> thanks The_Vox, that makes me feel better
[07:08] <bojangles> Razor-X, that is just a bunch of confusion spread by the open source initiative.....they include gpl to diminish its importance and distinction
[07:08] <Razor-X> LeeColleton: i'll bet many people on google do
[07:08] <ColonelKernel> Im trying to make and install the latest stable kenrel from kernel.org, however after I install it a lot of things work very strangley
[07:08] <Razor-X> bojangles: have you read through the GNU GPL?
[07:08] <EightBit> wait a second, is it a level 1 or 2 .iso?
[07:08] <bojangles> Razor-X, the gpl is the only license that frees the code
[07:08] <Orborde> The_Vox: Well, it's installed, and it still isn't showing the shares in Nautilus.
[07:08] <LeeColleton> Razor-X: hooray for google
[07:08] <ColonelKernel> im gonna try make oldconfig
[07:08] <Razor-X> EightBit: it matters?
[07:08] <FlannelKing> bojangles, no it's not.  You can charge for it, but you also have to provide the source.
[07:08] <robotgeek> GPL is the roxors!
[07:08] <Agrajag> robotgeek: Red Hat Linux was just brought up, and began this whole conversation. It's GPL, but not free
[07:08] <The_Vox> Orborde: need to configure it first :)
[07:09] <nickrud> ColonelKernel, the ubuntu kernel has some patches that the vanilla kernel does not
[07:09] <robotgeek> Agrajag: true
[07:09] <Orborde> The_Vox: Okay...how?
[07:09] <The_Vox> Orborde: grab your favourite editor and open /etc/samba/smb.conf and edit the workgroup and save the file.
[07:09] <bojangles> FlannelKing, you can TRY....repeat TRY....but GPL requires UNRESTRICTED redistribition
[07:09] <Razor-X> I'm proud to say, i've read all the licenses (except the damned numerous M$ ones) of the software I use
[07:09] <Razor-X> the dirty legal code ;)
[07:09] <Agrajag> bojangles: yes, so anyone you sell the CD to can copy it and give it away
[07:09] <ColonelKernel> nickrud, yeah ive noticed that - I dont know how happy I am about that, I think that may be my only complaint about ubuntu
[07:09] <oga> i know it works with short lead but not the long... eth0 is the name but how do i get the NIC?
[07:09] <The_Vox> Razor-X: that explains a lot lol!
[07:09] <bojangles> FlannelKing, this forces excess supply until the marginal cost goes to zero for anyone
[07:09] <Agrajag> but that doesn't stop you from selling Emacs for $100 to anyone who will pay for it
[07:09] <tritium> oga, you can't use too long a cable.  Can you just buy a short one?
[07:09] <EightBit> yay, I am writing the disk
[07:10] <bojangles> Agrajag, absolutely
[07:10] <nickrud> ColonelKernel, the patches are the reason I use ubuntu/debian, personally
[07:10] <bojangles> Agrajag, that is the point of the GPL
[07:10] <The_Vox> Agrajag: actually, RMS sells it for 150...200 for gcc, IIRC
[07:10] <oga> big house... no wifi for a while yet
[07:10] <Agrajag> wow really?
[07:10] <bojangles> it is the only license that truly frees the code
[07:10] <robotgeek> though, what prevents ppl from selling redhat with the sources for about say 50$?
[07:10] <Agrajag> Does he sign the media or anything
[07:10] <The_Vox> Agrajag: sure, you can buy it at the fsf.org site
[07:10] <LeeColleton> tech support?  help?
[07:10] <Razor-X> "You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee."
[07:10] <Razor-X> it pays to read ;)
[07:10] <nickrud> ColonelKernel, try starting from linux-source-2.6.10
[07:10] <bojangles> robotgeek, redhat is not gpl...they are opensource plus they include some proprietary stuff....so you cannot redistribute it
[07:11] <The_Vox> robotgeek: the copyright/trademark on the name...that's what CentOS is all about
[07:11] <ColonelKernel> nickrud, im hoping thats the patched ubuntu kernel code
[07:11] <robotgeek> damn this *redhat*
[07:11] <nickrud> ColonelKernel, yes, it is
[07:11] <Computer__Guru> hai
[07:11] <robotgeek> i am sticking to ubuntu/debian
[07:11] <ColonelKernel> nickrud, I can live with that then
[07:11] <Razor-X> the cost for CD transferring/warranty can be $50
[07:11] <bojangles> robotgeek, they can sue your but off if you try to redistribute thier CDs....they are opensource at best not gpl
[07:11] <robotgeek> if it ain't free, it ain't linux!
[07:11] <Razor-X> it's up to the distributor for that
[07:11] <Orborde> The_Vox: Okay, I'm at smb.conf and staring cluelessly.
[07:11] <Agrajag> damn them, why? They have a working business model using GNU/Linux, what's wrong with that?
[07:11] <Computer__Guru> xchat is kinda nice, eh
[07:11] <Razor-X> robotgeek: Linux is a kernel ;)
[07:11] <ColonelKernel> robotgeek, if you want to use redhat just use centos
[07:12] <nickrud> ColonelKernel, apt-cache search linux-source in a terminal will get you going
[07:12] <ColonelKernel> its the best rhel clone out there, I personally think its a superior product to RHEL
[07:12] <robotgeek> Razor-X,ColonelKernel : in love with the apt-get goodness!
[07:12] <Razor-X> GNU is the actual OS, of which there exists multiple distros
[07:12] <The_Vox> Orborde: there should be a line that starts with WORKGROUP
[07:12] <ColonelKernel> nickrud, got that already, just hadnt make my custom kernel for this yet
[07:12] <Harold> nalioth_zZz: Sleeping, huh?
[07:12] <The_Vox> Orborde: find it and change the part after the = to whatever workgroup your windows boxes use
[07:13] <Razor-X> using different kernels
[07:13] (Harold/#ubuntu) Razor-X: Dedicated?
[07:13] (robotgeek/#ubuntu) see, the only machine i have is a ppc. most of rh clones would not install. except ydl, and fc maybe
[07:13] (Razor-X/#ubuntu) from whence have you come from?!
[07:13] (Razor-X/#ubuntu) Harold: he's not active in the channel, why page him?
[07:13] (vladuz/#ubuntu) Razor-X: yes
[07:13] (Razor-X/#ubuntu) dselect is highly deprecated
[07:13] (The_Vox/#ubuntu) Orborde: ok, cool, then close the file and now do "sudo /etc/init.d/samba start"...if it gives you a command not found, try with smb instead of samba...or smbd
[07:13] (Razor-X/#ubuntu) it's ancient ancient stuff
[07:13] (The_Vox/#ubuntu) Orborde: one of those 3 has to work lol!
[07:13] (nickrud/#ubuntu) vladuz, /usr/share/doc/aptitude/doc/README is a good start
[07:14] <nickrud> vladuz, /usr/share/doc/aptitude//README is a good start
[07:14] <vladuz> Razor-X: so what do you  suggest instaead
[07:14] <nickrud> sorry
[07:14] <Harold> Razor-X: nalioth was my first contact here; I guess I contact him out of habit.
[07:14] <Harold> robotgeek: Are you on PPC?
[07:14] <Computer__Guru> too bad you cant set the userlist to transparent
[07:14] <nickrud> I cannot even correct typos :)
[07:14] <Razor-X> vladuz: first of all, dselect is old as _hell_, use aptitude
[07:14] <Orborde> The_Vox: How about just "smbd stop" and "smbd start" ?
[07:14] <robotgeek> Harold: a powerbook g4 500
[07:14] <Razor-X> Harold: heh, well, ask the channel away
[07:14] <EightBit> okay
[07:14] <EightBit> i burned it
[07:14] <EightBit> now what?
[07:14] <Razor-X> or, if you're a member of the NUN, you know what to do
[07:14] <Harold> robotgeek: Any problems installing/using Ubuntu?
[07:14] <Agrajag> which one, the live CD?
[07:15] <Agrajag> or the installer?
[07:15] <Razor-X> EightBit: Live CD or Install CD?
[07:15] <EightBit> lemme see
[07:15] <Computer__Guru> !java
[07:15] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.
[07:15] <robotgeek> Harold: not really, i have problems with display out
[07:15] <Orborde> The_Vox: Result is that the Linux machine now appears in the network browser on the Linux box, but not the Windoze box. And the Linux box still can't see the Windoze one.
[07:15] <The_Vox> Orborde: uhm...I'm not familiar with the ubuntu package, so I can't bet that'll work...what I gave you should work, tho. (I've only been using ubuntu for a bit over a week :)
[07:15] <robotgeek> Harold: and java, and flash
[07:15] (Harold/#ubuntu) robotgeek: Yikes.  Wish I knew something about that.
[07:15] (The_Vox/#ubuntu) Orborde: ok, in the terminal now try "smbclient -L localhost" and tell me what it spits out
[07:16] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) You should probably burn the Live CD too, and try that out first.
[07:16] (Razor-X/#ubuntu) EightBit: then, insert the CD in the drive, shutdown the computer, and restart ;)
[07:16] (Razor-X/#ubuntu) Agrajag: no point wasting CDs
[07:16] (Razor-X/#ubuntu) I myself have only 2 :(
[07:16] (robotgeek/#ubuntu) Harold: but other than that, everything works fine. occasional hiccup with recovering from sleep
[07:16] (robotgeek/#ubuntu) Harold: what do u use?
[07:16] <Razor-X> and i've asked this before -- anyone here use Das Keyboard?
[07:16] <nickrud> Razor-X, talk to someone about getting an income ;)
[07:16] <ColonelKernel> how can I control which modules are loaded when I boot - my build is loading a lot of them
[07:16] <Harold> Everyone: This is my second time seeing that message about Java installation on the wiki.  What's the big deal about having java?  (Just curious.)
[07:16] <Agrajag> Razor-X: a new user shouldn't necessarily dive in lie that-- what if he hasn't partitioned yet, and manages to wipe windows?
[07:16] <EightBit> then
[07:16] <EightBit> later guys
[07:17] <EightBit> thanks for the help
[07:17] <Harold> robotgeek: PowerBook G3 233MHz
[07:17] <Razor-X> (note the intentional lack of `the')
[07:17] <The_Vox> Razor-X: never even heard of that one...and I'm a fan of weird kboards :)
[07:17] <Razor-X> Agrajag: ahhh, true that
[07:17] <Razor-X> The_Vox: o_O
[07:17] <Razor-X> you have an HHKL2?
[07:17] <Razor-X> nickrud: income... hmmm
[07:17] <Razor-X> something I won't worry about for a good... many years now
[07:17] <nickrud> Razor-X, the day will com
[07:17] <Harold> robotgeek: I just finished installing Ubuntu about a week or two ago, and finally got a wireless card to work under the madwifi driver.
[07:17] <robotgeek> sun doesn't provide jvm for linux ppc, gotta get from IBM
[07:17] <Razor-X> I have saved up money though, lunch money ;)
[07:17] <Orborde> The_Vox: Holy cow. The Windows machine doesn't appear in the server list by name, but I went Places->Connect to Server, punched in the IP and selected Windows Share as the service, and Boom! Access.
[07:17] <FlannelKing> EightBit, you might want to install the liveCD and try it first, the $.20 cd is worth the non-risk, if youre installing on your only computer
[07:18] <robotgeek> Harold: nice
[07:18] <nickrud> hah, hah
[07:18] <Agrajag> I got lucky with wireless, I have a cisco card 8)
[07:18] <Harold> robotgeek: Oh, because it's not open source?
[07:18] <The_Vox> Razor-X: nop...a Logitech-for-PS/2 gamingkboard...it's the smallest kboard I've ever been able to find :) The HHKL2 is expensive for a poor furreiner like me :)
[07:18] <axis> something wroing with the repositories
[07:18] <axis> i can't seem to access kubuntu-desktop
[07:18] <Razor-X> for a semester, and some more money from my schoo `services' and some debts my parents owe, and I have $100
[07:18] <The_Vox> Orborde: that's what the overkill will give you <chuckle> :)
[07:18] <Razor-X> The_Vox: heh
[07:18] <robotgeek> Harold: nah, sun doesn't have a version. they do have something for the x86 platform
[07:18] <Razor-X> google Das Keyboard
[07:18] <Razor-X> s/schoo/school/
[07:18] <axis> riight
[07:19] <The_Vox> Razor-X: I've used an HHKL2 for a couple of weeks...friend ordered one, had it sent to my house...got to use it for a bit over 2 weeks...pretty sweet kboard :)
[07:19] <Harold> robotgeek: So someone just recently got java working on Linux?
[07:19] <Orborde> The_Vox: Result of smbclient -L localhost: It asked for a password. Just a password. What password? I don't know, so I punched in my Linux user password. Result: session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[07:19] <Razor-X> The_Vox: I hear Das is even better ;)
[07:19] <The_Vox> Razor-X: that thing is *HUGE*!
[07:19] <The_Vox> Orborde: hit enter at the password prompt :)
[07:19] <robotgeek> Harold: i dont think so...there are only two versions, gcj and the ibm...both suck!
[07:19] <Razor-X> The_Vox: it's a normal sized 101 key keyboard
[07:19] <Orborde> The_Vox: w00t. That worked. Spat out a lot of stuff.
[07:20] <Razor-X> only, it's weighted
[07:20] <Razor-X> mmmmmm... weighted.....
[07:20] <robotgeek> Razor-X: is Das the keyboard featured on slashdot
[07:20] <axis> kubuntu?
[07:20] <Harold> robotgeek: Do you know anything about programming?
[07:20] <Orborde> The_Vox: What am I looking for?
[07:20] <robotgeek> Harold: a bit
[07:20] <Razor-X> robotgeek: not sure
[07:20] <Harold> robotgeek: In your opinion, is it more beneficial to learn C or Java?
[07:20] <FlannelKing> Harold, C
[07:20] <Razor-X> I either buy Das, HHKL2, a Sansa Sandisk 512 MP3 Player, or blow all of my money on Knife of Dreams leatherbound ;)
[07:21] <Harold> FlannelKing: Why, perchance?
[07:21] <FlannelKing> Harold, actually, learn C++
[07:21] <The_Vox> Razor-X: my kboard is this one: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2282,CONTENTID=6636
[07:21] <axis> any\one else having problems upgrading to kubuntu
[07:21] <Razor-X> the only leatherbound book i'ld have, but worth it if Jordan continues his proglogue-style writing throughout the novel
[07:21] <nickrud> C, although I haven't programmed in a long time.
[07:21] <axis> from apt
[07:21] <robotgeek> Harold: C, C++
[07:21] <Harold> FlannelKing: I'm still going to have to learn C in order to learn C++, aren't I?
[07:21] <Razor-X> The_Vox: I use a trackball, meself
[07:21] <The_Vox> Orborde: any answer usually means "it's working" unless it's a "can't find a thing" answer :)
[07:21] <robotgeek> you can then pretty much pick up everything else
[07:21] <Razor-X> Harold: no, you're not
[07:21] <FlannelKing> Harold, No, C++ is not a superset of C++
[07:21] <Razor-X> I learned the latter without the former
[07:21] <FlannelKing> Harold, erm, C
[07:21] <Orborde> The_Vox: But it still fails to find the Windows machine.
[07:21] <Razor-X> and I hate the former now too ;)
[07:21] <nickrud> Something that has survived for over 30 years, is worth knowing
[07:21] <axis> right
[07:22] <axis> well obviously kubuntu isn't going to last
[07:22] <Razor-X> but, if you insist on learning C, try Obj C
[07:22] <FlannelKing> Harold, learn c++, skip C, if you konw C++ you can program C with only a few tweaks, and learing C++ will teach you all the basics of programming Java
[07:22] <EightBit> that did not work
[07:22] <tritium> axis, why?
[07:22] <Harold> FlannelKing, Razor-X : Is there another language I should be learning before C even?
[07:22] <FlannelKing> Harold, C++
[07:22] <robotgeek> no Lisp fans here?
[07:22] <Razor-X> Harold: don't try C if you want C++
[07:22] <nickrud> no :)
[07:22] <Razor-X> robotgeek: i'm learning emacs-lisp now ;)
[07:22] <axis> tritium, : i'm having problems apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[07:22] <FlannelKing> Harold, the first thing C++ people will do is try and unteach you C
[07:22] <The_Vox> Razor-X: my kboard is about...7.5 inches long, by 3.5 inches wide, by 3/4" thick....it's *small*
[07:22] <tritium> axis, "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"?
[07:23] <Razor-X> Harold: I myself started out with QBasic at 11, but that's worth almost nothing now, save nice, easy to make games
[07:23] <Sponge_> I downloaded realtime-lsm and the module-assistant. Now, I want this thing working. What do I have to do now?
[07:23] <EightBit> dammit
[07:23] <The_Vox> Orborde: still fails? didn't you say you were able to connect to it already?
[07:23] <Razor-X> The_Vox: are you a Dvorak user?
[07:23] <vladuz> Razor-X: where are those docs again, please?
[07:23] <EightBit> windows just came up blank
[07:23] <Harold> robotgeek, FlannelKing : Dang, really?  I have this "Teaching Yourself C" book in my hand right now.
[07:23] <axis> tritium: E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[07:23] <The_Vox> Razor-X: yes...been one for...uhm....9 years or so