[00:00] <Pricey> Seeker`: There are a lot in there still though.
[00:00] <Pricey> Some since splits and I'm going to clear the list.
[00:02] <redvamp128> Pricey:  What is going on-- I am just curious -- all I see is mode this and mode that?
[00:03] <Pricey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/124059/ is what I removed for easy reference.
[00:04] <Pricey> redvamp128: Please read http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml for explanation on channel mode e. They are temporarily set by the floodbots but hadn't been removed when they should have been.
[00:04] <redvamp128> Ah ok -- I noticed something last night -- there were about 30 people added/joined last night... and it caused my pidgin to go blank for about 50 seconds.
[00:04] <Pricey> !xchat
[00:05] <Pricey> !info xchat
[00:05] <Pricey> redvamp128: lovely stuff ^ :)
[00:05] <Seeker`> !info irssi
[00:05] <redvamp128> I do have it installed though I prefer pidgin... for me it is easier on the eye
[00:05] <Pricey> Seeker`: That's being thrown in at the deep end :)
[00:06] <redvamp128> Thanks Pricey- see ya'll later
[00:09] <Seeker`> Pricey: yup, but it is a great client :P
[01:43] <bazhang> ugh
[03:11] <bazhang> kent, how may we help you
[03:29] <Flannel> Hi kent, how can we help you today?
[04:14] <TheDuke_NY> Hello, I have questions concerning read errors and irc ports
[04:15] <Flannel> TheDuke_NY: depending on the question, that may or may not be topical for this channel, but go ahead.
[04:16] <TheDuke_NY> I have never had problems connecting to freenode until recently, I have been able to connect, but get no welcome message, with no ability to join an IRC channel. After a short period of time I get disconnected with a "read error"
[04:16] <TheDuke_NY> The default port has never worked for me, I have been using 7000 in the past.
[04:17] <TheDuke_NY> I tried using mutiple ports with no success
[04:20] <TheDuke_NY> any ideas as to why this has been happening to me?
[05:08] <elky> TheDuke_NY, 8001 is another port to try.
[05:09] <elky> TheDuke_NY, however,  the ubuntu ops do not run Freenode. you're more likely to get people who know in #freenode
[05:23] <TheDuke_NY> thanks, i got nickserv on irc.ubuntu.com server; but it wont let me join channels
[05:26] <TheDuke_NY> well, that worked for a little while. Now I got a read error again.
[05:27] <bazhang> TheDuke_NY, #freenode is the channel for this
[05:27] <bazhang> TheDuke_NY, /join #freenode
[07:16] <nalioth> solv0rd
[07:18] <Tm_T> nalioth: repeater and rude person he is, so I guess that was fine
[07:18] <nalioth> Tm_T: automatons are not welcome
[07:24] <bullgard4> nalioth: Can I get a reason that you banned me from #ubuntu-offtopic, please?
[07:33] <nalioth> bullgard4: i believe your /lastlog will show you
[07:34] <nalioth> and i don't believe you were banned at any time, and certainly aren't now
[07:35] <nalioth> i DO suggest you fix whatever keeps repeating, though
[07:38] <bullgard4> nalioth: No, my lastlog does not show me that. I do not know that there is anything in my computer that keeps repeating things in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[07:40] <bullgard4> I received a message: "08:15 -!- mode/#ubuntu-offtopic [+b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>by nalioth". Is this no ban?
[07:42] <nalioth> bullgard4: your client repeated this line every 5 minutes for some time:<PHONE_NUMBER> 23:24 < bullgard4> What audience targets http://freshmeat.net at?
[07:43] <nalioth> and the presence of the % in that line shows it's a quiet
[07:45] <bullgard4> nalioth: I do not understand your statement: "and the presence of the % in that line shows it's a quiet". Can you explain? I know an adjective 'quiet' but I do not know a noun 'quiet'. What does that mean, pleasw?
[07:45] <bullgard4> s/pleasw/please
[07:46] <nalioth> For tips and information on channel and user modes and management, see http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml bullgard4
[07:46] <nalioth> anything else?
[07:46] <bullgard4> Yes.
[07:47] <bullgard4> Your statement: "bullgard4: your client repeated this line every 5 minutes for some time:<PHONE_NUMBER> 23:24 < bullgard4> What audience targets http://freshmeat.net at?" is false, it is not true.
[07:50] <nalioth> bullgard4: i'm not intereted in arguing.  i have the logs.
[07:50] <nalioth> your client _was_ repeating, and you've been asked to look into it
[07:50] <nalioth> was there anything else?
[07:52] <bullgard4> Thank you very much for your information.
[07:56] <nalioth> please see the /topic, bullgard4
[08:46] <bazhang> bullgard4, please dont idle here as per the channel /topic
[08:48] <Myrtti> bullgard4: did you have any other questions?
[08:49] <Tm_T> 18 min idle time
[08:50] <bullgard4> Myrtti: No, thank you.
[08:50] <Tm_T> bullgard4: then please part
[09:38] <Myrtti> Tm_T: would you talk to hansapallo about his quit message
[09:38] <Tm_T> sure
[10:23] <Myrtti> uh-oh
[10:23] <Myrtti> [12:23] < zs> im not, I left it at that.. I don't care to follow a few rules
[10:24] <bazhang> saw that
[10:24]  * Myrtti is going to leave it at that
[10:24] <bazhang> and in #ubuntu 'damn you I wanted opinions'
[10:24] <Myrtti> but I'm also going to kick him the first chance I get
[10:34] <Myrtti> GRAAAAHHH I feel so *old* when talking to these KIDS.
[10:35] <Myrtti> it must be the amount of life experience
[10:36] <bazhang> yep
[10:36]  * elky hugs Myrtti
[10:37] <elky> the sad part is that not all of them are actually kids.
[10:37] <bazhang> most are not
[10:38] <elky> coolduuuuuuuuuuuddddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeeeee or whatever he's called is looking to stir trouble
 shepherd: i think you would b better off using windows
[10:44] <bazhang> qed
[10:50] <Myrtti> what shepherd needs is someone to help him check if he can mount his fat/ntfs partitions...
[10:50] <Myrtti> but I need coffee before I can even consider helping him
[10:50] <Myrtti> and he quit
[10:52] <bazhang> ouch
[10:53] <bazhang> silenceisdefeat is allowed now?
[10:55] <Myrtti> apparently so...
[11:17] <ikonia> I'm not aware how the kline configuration options are but I'm assuming it's the same as a ban where you can ban on ident ?
[12:02] <Myrtti> -ot is a madhouse
[12:02] <Mez> and you only realise this now ?
[12:02] <bazhang> the sun is blue the sky is hot
[12:02] <Myrtti> I mean it's more crazy now than normally
[12:02] <bazhang> oh wait
[12:02] <Mez> ikonia Kline allows a lot of things
[12:03] <bazhang> zs/coooooldudddeeeee I am guessing
[12:03] <Myrtti> bazhang: add into mix ASUS-tek and we're done
[12:04] <Myrtti> I'm just waiting for him to start his third degree interrogation
[12:04] <bazhang> Myrtti, all that is missing is...grow-as-apple
[12:04] <Myrtti> oh, he left
[12:04] <bazhang> stir, mix, insanity!
[12:05] <Myrtti> "Add only Water"
[12:05] <bazhang> never after midnight
[12:50] <elky> stupid dell. raised the price of the m1330 again. i am *so* not paying $1700 for a laptop
[12:51] <elky> they also removed the 'no nvidia motherboard melter plzkthx' option
[12:52] <elky> so, suffice to say, i am no longer getting that laptop :(
[12:52] <elky> now i just gotta find another decent 13" laptop that weighs <2kg
[12:55] <ikonia> elky: I got the intel board 1330 - about 2 weeks after it turned up dell retired the intel one and started making nvidia only
[12:56] <elky> i could get one from overseas, but the idea of sending $1500 through a proxy makes me uneasy
[12:58] <ikonia> I don't know any dell region that still sells the intel model
[12:58] <ikonia> they are all nvidia only
[12:59] <elky> well, this has only happened in Au since thursday
[13:00] <elky> probably on their friday refresh
[13:00] <elky> so, i'm now reconsidering one of http://pioneercomputers.com.au/products/products.asp?c1=3&c2=166
[13:01] <ikonia> elky: sis graphics !!!!! warning !!!!!!
[13:01] <elky> yeah, that's the annoying bit.
[13:01] <ikonia> 12.1 has intel
[13:01] <elky> but the 12.1.. .yeah
[13:01] <bazhang> heh
[13:02] <bazhang> may as well get a netbook in that case
[13:02] <elky> bazhang, that's the whole idea of a 12 or 13 inch laptop. it's a netbook, that i can actually see and type on
[13:02] <bazhang> 10 inch not vastly smaller than 12
[13:02] <ikonia> 12 is the smallest I'd consider
[13:03] <ikonia> and I think now that I've got a 13'' I Think thats the best size for me
[13:03] <bazhang> elky, good point
[13:03] <bazhang> expecially about the typing
[13:03] <bazhang> or even typing and irc :)
[13:03] <elky> yeah, i have a 701. it's fine for irc, email and depending on the phase of moon and number of goat sacrifices, it even works for presenting.
[13:04] <bazhang> but the kb is too small
[13:04] <bazhang> I have the same
[13:04] <elky> i have girl hands
[13:04] <bazhang> as do I
[13:04] <elky> it's fine for typing so long as i have fingernails
[13:04] <elky> and so long as the fingernails are not to long
[13:04] <bazhang> I can never work with the touchpad, and the kb is too small even for me
[13:05] <elky> it's not too small, but it's not comfortable either
[13:06] <bazhang> okay my hands are not that small :)
[13:06] <elky> my hands are 17cm from wrist to tip of middle finger
[13:11] <ikonia> ?
[13:11] <elky> another option is the lenovo sl300. currently marked down here
[13:12] <bazhang> veselushko nearing a remove
[13:12] <ikonia> elky: what card (video) is in that ?
[13:13] <elky>  Intel GMA X4500
[13:32] <elky> bazhang, was it you hoping for asus-tek?
[13:32] <elky> he's heeeeeeeeeeeere
[13:32] <bazhang> elky, cwortman is worse right now
[13:32] <elky> yeah
[13:32] <bazhang> bill gates worshipping etc
[13:39] <bazhang> oh coollddddudddeeee is back. fun
[13:48] <elky> i swear i can feel my intelligence slamming the door on the way out.
[13:49] <bazhang> cwortman is actually not dumb, but has some nasty views
[13:49] <elky> intelligence is not just about knowledge.
[13:49] <bazhang> coolduudede is just a 17 yr old hindi kid, annoying ala nbeebo
[13:49] <elky> intelligence is just as much about how to use the knowledge you have
[13:49] <bazhang> true
[13:50] <bazhang> ++
[13:55] <elky> oh, so now the geek peeing contest has started?
[14:05] <bazhang> better than the alternative
[14:06] <Myrtti> oh no, I've removed vpenis.sh from my systems!
[14:06] <bazhang> hehehe
[14:06] <Nafallo> good
[14:06] <Myrtti> oh, I still have a backup ^___^
[14:06] <Myrtti> 88.1cm
[14:07] <Seeker`> vpenis?
[14:07] <bazhang> oof
[14:07] <Myrtti> *snigger*
[14:08] <Myrtti> echo `uptime|grep day|sed 's/.*up \([0-9]*\) day.*/\1\/10+/';awk '/^cpu MHz/ {print $4"/30+"; }' /proc/cpuinfo;free|awk '/^Mem/ {print $3"/1024/3+"}';df -l -P -k -x nfs -x none -x bind | awk '!/1k/{if ($1 ~ "/dev/(scsi|sd)"){ s+= $2} s+= $2;} END {print s/1024/50"/15+70";}'`|bc|sed 's/\(.$\)/.\1cm/'
[14:10] <Myrtti> yes, I had an odd boyfriend.
[14:10] <Seeker`> heh
[14:11] <Nafallo> nafallo@wizard:~$ vpenis.sh
[14:11] <Nafallo> 155.9cm
[14:11] <Nafallo> nafallo@pony:~$ ./vpenis.sh
[14:11] <Nafallo> ./vpenis.sh: 2: bc: not found
[14:11] <Nafallo> ;-)
[14:11] <Myrtti> :-P
[14:13] <Seeker`> 53.5 on my laptop
[14:17] <Seeker`> 95.6 on my desktop which i just turned on
[14:18] <elky> 34.6cm on my laptop. you know, just in case you're wondering why i want a new one.
[14:19] <Myrtti> 55.1cm on my home server
[14:21] <Nafallo> 45cm on adder.magicalforest.se (hosting ubuntu-{se,nordic}.org
[14:34] <bazhang> phew
[14:36] <elky> it's like kicking a retarded puppy
[14:37] <bazhang> that was like an extended contest of who can be the most annoying
[14:37] <elky> zs will win again next time he starts going on about having no money
[14:37] <elky> with whichever phrase he uses
[14:37] <bazhang> haha
[14:39] <mneptok> Host 'aten', running Linux 2.6.24-23-generic - Cpu0: AMD Athlon 1000 MHz; Up: 23d+10:51; Users: 2; Load: 0.00; Free: [Mem: 13/1446 Mio] [Swap: 671/715 Mio] [/: 5925/9746 Mio] [/home: 499140/699314 Mio]; Vpenis: 248.3 cm;
[14:39] <bazhang> mneptok, nice blog!
[14:40] <mneptok> hmm?
[14:40] <mneptok> oh, the Drabble?
[14:40] <mneptok> thanks :)
[14:40] <bazhang> saw your posts from planet :)
[14:40] <mneptok> that reminds me ...
[14:40] <bazhang> have bookmarked the mariadb site
[14:41] <mneptok> christel nalioth Gary: could i get an Ubuntu member cloak now that i'm not a Canonical person? or better yet, could we expedite the Maria project group app? O:)
[14:41] <bazhang> now an angel haha
[14:42] <mneptok> i got the halo (tarnished) off a dead guy.
[14:43] <bazhang> :0
[14:44] <mneptok> Freenode activity in my home client will take some getting used to :)
[14:44] <ikonia> mneptok: hey !
[14:44] <mneptok> ikonia: oy!
[14:44] <ikonia> mneptok: congratulations on your new job.
[14:45] <mneptok> thanks
[14:45] <mneptok> work begins in earnest this weekend
[14:46] <mneptok> but first i have to get some muscle memory for this new irssi window layout
[14:46] <ikonia> mneptok: so you're a home worker now
[14:46] <mneptok> (-ops is 8. not 3.


[14:12] <module000> anyone a perl expert looking for steady remote work? prefer to ask fellow arkansans first :P
[14:14] <module000> well "expert" may be overkill, but comfortable with mod_perl, and a distributed web farm setup
[16:31] <danielveazey> good morning everyone
[17:15] <danielveazey> howdy kwad
[17:15] <kwadroke> hello
[18:16] <kwadroke> I'm sure this would be more for tonight, but
[18:16] <kwadroke> would anyone be interested in a Linux Fest?
[18:16] <danielveazey> i might be
[18:17] <kwadroke> are you in central AR?
[18:17] <danielveazey> yes
[18:17] <kwadroke> ok
[18:17] <kwadroke> cool
[18:23] <kwadroke> been wanting to do one for a while, and there's been more fresh blood lately
[18:24] <danielveazey> I read some email about some kind of thing going on in Conway, but that might have been a Python conference ...
[18:24] <kwadroke> it is
[18:24] <kwadroke> in october
[18:25] <kwadroke> thinking about coinciding it with the 12.04 ubuntu release
[18:25] <kwadroke> that would give plenty of time to plan
[18:25] <danielveazey> right on
[18:26] <kwadroke> it would be the last weekend of april, the 28th
[18:27] <danielveazey> sounds good
[18:28] <kwadroke> pretty sure we could do it in conway at the library
[18:28] <kwadroke> but not a place we'd have to have it
[18:28] <kwadroke> could do it in LR or something
[21:25] <danielveazey> I like the idea of Gnome 3, but it sure does seem to have a lot of bugs.


[12:54] <deeps_> i want to develop app for terminal using c++, but don't know where to start from :(   could any one please help me
[12:56] <qwertzui11> deeps_: do u know "c++"?
[12:56] <deeps_> yup i know c++
[12:57] <deeps_> have already develop the app in c++
[12:57] <deeps_> just i need to make it usable for terminal...
[12:57] <qwertzui11> so, u already developed the app for terminal; u just don't know how to execute it?
[12:58] <deeps_> the app works by defining adding it to  $PATH...
[12:59] <deeps_> i want to take make available as repo
[12:59] <deeps_> so everyone can install by apt-get...
[13:00] <qwertzui11> ah... checkout http://developer.ubuntu.com
[13:00] <deeps_> got jumbled :(
[13:00] <qwertzui11> click "my apps" and follow the instructions :)
[13:00] <deeps_> but c++ and terminal
[13:00] <deeps_> these words
[13:01] <deeps_> i didn't found anywhere ;(
[13:01] <qwertzui11> u already did the app, u only wanna get it into the software center, right?
[13:02] <qwertzui11> else google "debian packaging"
[13:02] <deeps_> i have the app but i haven't develop its
[13:02] <qwertzui11> to learn how to make a ".deb"
[13:02] <deeps_> deb package :(
[13:02] <deeps_> do you have quick guide url?
[13:03] <qwertzui11> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/
[13:03] <deeps_> one more query...
[13:04] <deeps_> in terminal we have feature like by pressing <tab> key it shows the possible commands for the application...
[13:04] <deeps_> how can i do it in c++
[13:04] <qwertzui11> packaging: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/packaging-new-software.html#starting-a-package
[13:06] <deeps_> could you please help me with my last query...
[13:07] <qwertzui11> deeps_: i believe <tab> key: is a bash feature
[13:08] <deeps_> where can i find about it...
[13:08] <qwertzui11> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bash+completion+&t=canonical
[13:08] <deeps_> thanx a lot :)
[13:08] <qwertzui11> deeps_: ur welcome
[13:09] <deeps_> i think i need to study all those links :)
[13:09] <deeps_> if possible could you IM your email address
[13:09] <deeps_> would be very helpful for me
[13:10] <qwertzui11> I'm everday in this channel ;) next time u may wanna ask in #ubuntu there are more people and lots of devs too.
[13:11] <qwertzui11> here r unly 44 online and not very active ;)
[13:25] <Marlinc> How do you use the sync menu in your app? Is it possible to use it using D-Bus? I'm working on a Java application so the native libraries wont work I think


[01:58] <rcn-ee> hey DanaG, i've been playing around with doing something different to build the SGX modules (so far it works with the '02).. (instead of cross building the modules later..) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/2.6.34-devel/files/head:/patches/sgx/
[02:05] <DanaG> ah, where do those apply?
[02:07] <rcn-ee> i basicly dumped the gpl modules from the SDK then dumped/wired them into a staging directory...
[02:09] <DanaG> ah, cool.
[02:09] <rcn-ee> right now i'm building them against 2.6.34-rc7 but they should work on any kernel source with a staging tree.. now it's just make uimage, make modules.. copy over.. module loads.. ;)
[02:09] <DanaG> Then what's left to build manually?  Just userspace?  Or wait... those parts would be binary, anway.
[02:10] <DanaG> ah.  I was hoping to have it be debs -- like packaged fglrx or nvidia.
[02:10] <rcn-ee> yeap. deb's included. ;)
[02:10] <rcn-ee> then you just need to run this user script on x86 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/2.6.34-devel/annotate/head:/create_sgx_package.sh
[02:10] <rcn-ee> i'll tar up a package with an install script...
[02:10] <DanaG> Sweet.
[02:11] <DanaG> Though, I'll probably need a bigger SD card.
[02:11] <DanaG> My 2GB card is... oh, 87% full.
[02:11] <rcn-ee> i use a 2Gb with an extra 1GB for the SDK Demos...
[02:11] <rcn-ee> have you done a "sudo apt-get clean" to remove any deb's in /var/cache..
[02:13] <DanaG> yeah... just did it; only freed 17 megs.
[02:13] <rcn-ee> dang.. you must have isntalled one of the *-desktop's..
[02:16] <DanaG> I'm not sure... lemme' check.
[02:26] <DanaG> /dev/mmcblk0p2        1.9G  1.5G  243M  87% /
[02:27] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/saRgbwgF
[02:27] <DanaG> dpkg -l
[02:31] <rcn-ee> yeah a little bit of everything, like any normal system...
[02:33] <DanaG> I do have an 8GB Cruzer I could use... but it's damn slow (slow as in, 2 megabytes per second write.)
[05:55] <aaron_> hi all
[05:55] <aaron_> who have port chrome o arm platform
[05:55] <aaron_> ?
[05:56] <aaron_> who have port chrome to arm platform
[07:31] <Stskeeps>  /g 21
[10:22] <aaron_liuj>  Error: git version <IP_ADDRESS> < minimum required 1.6.6
[14:38] <aaron_liuj> make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[14:52] <cwillu_at_work> weiiiiiiird
[14:52] <cwillu_at_work> I'm getting qemu segfaults
[14:53] <cwillu_at_work> which seem to be dependant on the number of lines invoked post debootstrap --second-stage
[14:53] <cwillu_at_work> I changed my udevd invocation to "strace udevd", and it segfaulted immediately after I got /bin/installer: line 19: strace: command not found :p
[22:36]  * cwillu_at_work pokes rcn-ee with his 'silly' btrfs :p
[23:46] <rcn-ee> cwillu_at_work, we might see btrfs by default... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI1Mg
[23:46] <cwillu_at_work> that was the cause of the poking :p
[23:46] <cwillu_at_work> geez
[23:46] <cwillu_at_work> why link through phoronix?
[23:47] <rcn-ee> cause it was the first in my news list.. ;)
[23:47] <cwillu_at_work> ugh
[23:47] <cwillu_at_work> I hate how they don't direct link to anything
[23:47] <rcn-ee> i know... and they link everything into them selves....
[23:47] <cwillu_at_work> anyways, for future reference, the proper link is http://www.netsplit.com/2010/05/14/btrfs-by-default-in-maverick/
[23:47] <cwillu_at_work> and the #btrfs are all lulz :p
[23:48] <cwillu_at_work> although cmason hasn't said anything yet in there :p
[23:48] <rcn-ee> i bet.. wasn't fedora 13 btrfs by default? o rwas that only an option...
[23:49] <cwillu_at_work> no, only an option
[23:51] <rcn-ee> so how's your week long brtfs sd card test going?
[23:51] <cwillu_at_work> great
[23:52] <rcn-ee> it's still alive?
[23:52] <cwillu_at_work> 700 thousand writes with a sync between each one
[23:52] <cwillu_at_work> and firefox grinding away the whole time in the background :)
[23:53] <rcn-ee> very nice...
[23:56] <cwillu_at_work> and on that note, I'm adding another process to that mix :p
[23:57] <cwillu_at_work> hey, do you debootstrap lucid often?
[23:58] <cwillu_at_work> the second command in qemu after debootstrap finishes always segfaults, but I can exec another script immediately after deboostrap finishes, and that seems to work normally
[23:58] <rcn-ee> every 3 hours.. ;)
[23:59] <rcn-ee> for the last week or so it isn't sefaulting for me, just dieing... http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:81/dl/daily/ubuntu-lucid.log


[00:34] <vadi2> Hi, I'm not sure who to tell this, but www.opensource.mirrors.org is a ubuntu mirror and the domain is expired. For example http://www.opensourcemirrors.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/bogosec/bogosec_2.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb will not work
[00:36] <cjwatson> vadi2: #ubuntu-mirrors or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would be better
[00:37] <vadi2> alrighty, thank you.
[00:59] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: are there any plans to sanitise the ubuntu-devel@ moderation queue?
[01:00] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: what's up with it? I haven't looked since before Christmas
[01:00] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: mark's mail has generated a lot of response - directly to that list
[01:00] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: I'll sort it out at some point, already talked about it with Mark
[01:02] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: OK
[01:02]  * Hobbsee does a bit of cherrypickingon it
[01:02] <cjwatson> feel free to reject such mails and ask them to respond to Mark directly (though apparently he's already got several hundred responses ...)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> i did...
[01:03] <Hobbsee> and then i hit ctrl+c by accident on my listadmin
[01:03] <Hobbsee> cursed loudly, and decided not to do that again
[01:03] <cjwatson> I'm happy to deal with it when I get that far
[01:04] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[01:04]  * Hobbsee is just cherrypicking by subject line, at thisp oint
[01:17] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: I posted a followup and am rejecting with this message: "Thanks for your response, but could you please send it to Mark directly, rather than to ubuntu-devel? See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-December/027088.html for more information."
[01:17] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: sounds good to me
[01:19] <directhex> oh my... mark started a "desktop thread" on the mailing list? no wonder the mod queues are clogged
[01:55] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: queue cleared
[01:58] <Nafallo> \o/
[02:02] <Hobbsee> \o/
[03:29] <lamalex> Does anyone know if there is a channel for the ubuntu netbook remix devs?
[03:29] <lamalex> their LP page doesn't make it obvious
[04:46] <calc> cjwatson: noticed the post about most common laptop screen resolution being 1024x768? (wrt sabdfl) can you even get a 4:3 aspect panel anymore, i would think 1280x800 is the most common for the past several years at least
[04:47]  * calc thinks the only 1024x768 laptop still being made (that he knows of) is the X61 which is due to be EOL any day now
[05:02] <persia> calc, 1400x1050 and 1600x1200 remain available in 4:3
[05:02] <calc> persia: oh ok
[05:03] <persia> Also, the Panasonic Let's Note series for R, and W are still 1024x768, although I have to agree they are less common these days.
[05:04] <calc> ok
[09:12] <fargiolas> did anyone from SRU team already look at bug #308890 ?
[10:51] <directhex> how much RAM do the buildds have?
[10:57] <Nafallo> differs
[10:58] <directhex> to build something like, say, openjdk
[10:59] <persia> directhex, Some have in excess of 4GB available.
[10:59] <directhex> persia, somehow that doesn't surprise me
[11:00] <directhex> persia, i thought there was a problem with building ikvm, some kind of memory leak
[11:01] <directhex> persia, the memory leak is called "javac". the "-J-Xmx1536M" doesn't help much. lowering that value leads to an OOM error
[11:02] <persia> I thought ikvm was compiled against the CLI, rather than a JVM
[11:04] <directhex> persia, ikvm is the bastard child of both.
[11:04] <directhex> persia, IKVM.GNU.Classpath.dll has to come from somewhere
[11:04] <directhex> well, IKVM.Opensomethingorother these days. updating the package in a sane way is the problem
[11:05] <directhex> i only have 2 gig of ram on here
[11:05] <directhex> (only! ¬_¬)
[11:06] <persia> Right.  I remember looking at that a few months ago, and realising I didn't have any idea how to update it properly.
[11:06] <directhex> it's the package nobody wants to touch. with good reason.
[11:06] <persia> You could try PPA builds to see if they work: I've heard of people building OOo in PPAs, so it can't be that restricted.
[11:06] <persia> What's the rationale for it again?
[11:07] <directhex> rationale for what? ikvm?
[11:07] <persia> Rather, ikvm in the repos.
[11:09] <directhex> it's technically highly interesting. for one, it allows you to use any .class, unmodified, in a CLI app, e.g. where a java lib exists but a CLI one doesn't
[11:09] <directhex> i wonder if it's on debian popcon
[11:09] <persia> 149 / 39 / 88 / 22 / 0
[11:09] <persia> No maintainer either, and removed from testing.
[11:10] <directhex> the maintainer dumped it for sanity reasons
[11:10] <directhex> i could probably massage it back into life if i had enough ram to actually test build it
[11:10] <directhex> right now i just want to make sure the latest version compiles & works
[11:11] <persia> Use a PPA for the test build.  It ought either be made to work or dropped, as it's currently mostly a curiosity.
[11:12] <directhex> need a shell right now. sigh, i could build a chroot in a machine at work, in theory
[11:13] <directhex> i wonder if it works on itanium. a terabyte of ram ought to be enough, even for java...
[11:50] <cjwatson> calc: all I did was moderate the mailing list discussion - I have no involvement in the screenshot gathering itself
[11:56] <directhex> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  30M Dec 29 11:54 IKVM.OpenJDK.ClassLibrary.dll
[11:57] <directhex> well, it's less chunky than "real" openjdk ;)
[12:25] <LordMetroid> ahh here we go
[12:26] <LordMetroid> I see that 9.04 will merely focus on getting the boot to become quicker
[12:27] <LordMetroid> However ever since I started using Ubuntu around 2005 I have experienced it to become slower and slower in general
[12:27] <LordMetroid> Anyone know where I should turn to try to fix this?
[12:27] <LordMetroid> I mean community wise, where am I suppose to starr
[12:27] <LordMetroid> *start
[12:28] <persia> LordMetroid, profile the applications you use most.  Determine what's slow.  Try to optimise those things.
[12:28] <LordMetroid> persia, ok... I've been looking through the wiki and featyre/bug list, is that where I shall post my findings?
[12:30] <persia> You might organise our findings on the wiki.  The bug tracker would be the place to file the optimisation solutions.
[12:32] <Company> site note: debugging perceived slowness is _hard_
[12:33] <LordMetroid> Indeed
[12:33] <Company> (and it's "side", not "site")
[12:34] <LordMetroid> It is not merely percieved, using Ubuntu on the 5 year old laptop that I do have, it is a human measurable relative slowness
[12:34] <Company> yeah, but that is to be expected
[12:34] <Company> people add features so code runs "fast enough" on current models
[12:34] <Company> s/so/as long as/
[12:36] <LordMetroid> I know, that is why I have to look out for the little man in the cottage still using their 5 year old laptops
[12:36] <LordMetroid> :)
[12:37] <persia> LordMetroid, One thing to consider is that there may be more services running in the background: try reviewing the process list and see what happens if you make them the same.
[12:37] <persia> Then, of course, you want to get the services back :)
[12:38] <cjwatson> this may be politically incorrect but it is not clear to me that the community can do a whole lot to help with optimisation. Performance work is generally hard development graft
[12:39] <cjwatson> once some of that work is done we'll need help to ensure that we haven't broken anything, of course
[12:44] <LordMetroid> Why is sun-java packages non-free? I thought Sun had revised their licenses and made Java GNU?
[12:44] <persia> cjwatson, It's hard, but is there any reason that any given person can't do it, assuming they have the time and expertise?
[12:45] <persia> LordMetroid, You're looking for OpenJDK for the open one.  The sun-java packages are legacy.
[12:55] <LordMetroid> Is OpenJDK the default package being installed?
[12:55] <LordMetroid> I noticed GCJ's speed is terrible comparatively to Sun-java
[13:04] <cjwatson> persia: such expertise is sufficient to make you a developer IMO
[13:06] <persia> Ah.  I guess we're just looking at separate semantics.  I'd agree that anyone with that expertise ought self-identify as a developer.
[13:11] <maxb> Hi. If there's anyone who knows how Packages-arch-specific is supposed to work, would they care to check I'm not talking nonsense in bug 311952?
[13:12] <maxb> And also tell me whether I should be reporting that to some Ubuntu entity as disctinct from Soyuz itself
[13:14] <persia> maxb, Soyuz would be the right place to report it.  I can't say whether it is a bug or not, in part because I don't know how one might trigger a build of just some binary packages.
[13:16] <maxb> It's the source package's responsibility to build the subset of binary packages for the architecture it's being built on/for
[13:17] <maxb> and in the specific case of my example, it does do that, if only Soyuz would actually attempt the build at all
[17:08] <bbs> http://dpaste.com/103409/
[17:08] <bbs> :(
[17:11] <tseliot> bbs: follow only point 1 of Tutorial 1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn
[17:12] <tseliot> it will help you remove the error about your key
[17:14] <bbs> thx
[17:39] <calc> cjwatson: ok
[17:58] <NCommander> Where's the package where the installability information of te archive is posted?
[18:35] <CarlFK> before I consult an attorney (which may happen, but the more I can give him the better) I am wondering what the licensing issues are for modifying and redistributing one of the stock fonts?
[18:35] <CarlFK> namely   http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/all/gsfonts/filelist  /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/n019004l.afm
[18:36] <Laney> CarlFK: If you apt-get source gsfonts, it should tell you the license
[18:36] <CarlFK> looking at the header carl@asus17:~$ grep Copyright /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/n019004l.afm; Notice (Copyright (URW)++,Copyright 1999 by (URW)++ Design & Development; Cyrillic glyphs added by Valek Filippov (C) 2001-2005)
[18:36] <CarlFK> looking...
[18:37] <Laney> try debian/copyright or COPYING in the root
[18:37] <LaserJock> it says it's GPL
[18:37] <Laney> rock on
[18:37] <CarlFK> awesome.  thanks
[18:39] <LaserJock> looks like GPLv2 although it points to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL which now points to GPLv3
[18:40] <LaserJock> but it looks like GPLv2 just looking at /usr/share/docs/gsfonts/copyright
[18:41] <CarlFK> I'll let someone else worry about that level of detail.
[18:42] <fta> pitti, thanks for calibre. I wanted to do it (i own a PRS-700) but you beat me to it. I fixed the deps and added desktop files a few days ago in my branch but I saw you did it today, so all is fine.
[18:42] <CarlFK> now I am on to figuring out how to make it 140% wider.
[18:45] <fta> pitti, just a thought though... i would have created a packaging branch with just the debian/ dir. easier to keep the upstream branch clean.
[20:27] <avb> hey guy
[20:27] <avb> guys
[20:27] <avb> http://www.gnome.org/~lcolitti/gnome-startup/analysis/
[20:27] <avb> does somebody already have seen this article?
[20:28] <avb> look like gnome startup can be improved a lot, with gconf tunning
[21:05] <LaserJock> anybody know if gnome-system-tools is sort of dead upstream?
[21:23] <james_w> LaserJock: yeah
[21:23] <Laney> bryce: Do you have your merge_changelog script still?
[21:24] <LaserJock> james_w: yeah as in you know or yeah as in it's sort of dead? :-)
[21:24] <james_w> Laney: I've got a copy if it's not on people.ubuntu.com anymore
[21:24] <Laney> james_w: It 404s. Can you upload, or better shove it in u-d-t?
[21:26] <james_w> http://jameswestby.net/scratch/merge_changelog
[21:26] <Laney> thanks muchly
[21:27] <james_w> I'll see about getting it in to devscripts
[21:31] <ebroder> Hmm...I wonder if you could make that simpler using python-debian...
[21:31] <james_w> probably
[21:31] <james_w> I might well do that as well :-)
[21:34] <ebroder> Hmm...this should actually be really easy. You get a debian_bundle.changelog.Version object for each element in both changelogs, throw them into a set, then sort, right?
[21:35] <james_w> not sure a set is correct, as there may be duplicates, but yeah, sounds about right
[21:36] <james_w> the issue is that calling cl.versions throws exceptions on too many occasions currently
[21:36] <ebroder> But you'd want to eliminate duplicates as part of the merge, wouldn't you?
[21:37] <ebroder> As long as both the Ubuntu package and the Debian package stuck to their respective policies, how could you have any overlap?
[21:37] <james_w> yeah, but not if an entry was duplicated on one side I believe.
[21:44] <sebner> james_w: is there any GNU document which tells you which files you have to have in your source tarball e.g AUTHORS; COPYING, ...
[21:44] <Laney> sebner: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html
[21:45] <ion_> AFAIU, to use GPL, you only need to distribute COPYING and have the appropriate comment block in the source files.
[21:45] <sebner> Laney: more +1's from me :P
[21:45] <Laney> heh
[21:46] <james_w> sebner: the GNU coding standards guide may say something about AUTHORS etc.
[21:46] <james_w> I believe AUTHORS, README, ChangeLog, NEWS are standard for GNU
[21:46] <sebner> james_w: but standard != must have?
[21:47] <james_w> not sure
[21:52] <Laney> sebner: http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~ial/sysinfo-fakemerge.debdiff
[21:52] <Laney> you don't need a bug, do you? :(
[21:52] <Laney> erm, that was meant for debian-mono
[21:52]  * Laney runs
[21:54] <james_w> "Only apply Ubuntu patches when building on Ubuntu" <- interesting
[21:55] <sebner> heh
[21:56] <Laney> so that we could have the same thing in debian and ubuntu
[21:56] <sebner> james_w: how is bzr accepted these days by developers? :)
[21:57] <james_w> Laney: yeah, it's sensible, I just find it odd that Debian wouldn't apply patches for known bugs
[21:57] <james_w> sebner: with a sample size of one, me, it's deemed to be the best thing since silicone egg poachers
[21:57] <Laney> james_w: Well that patch depends on our lsb-release behaviour, so it doesn't make sense for them
[21:58] <Laney> I should rewrite that bit to do the right thing
[21:58] <james_w> I was looking at the one that I uploaded, which applies to Debian as I understand
[21:58] <sebner> james_w: heh, sounds cool. though Debian folks say it's worse than svn
[21:59] <james_w> sebner: not all of them
[21:59] <Laney> james_w: The mono-cairo FTBFS doesn't happen there if that's what you mean
[22:00] <sebner> james_w: but many =)
[22:00] <james_w> Laney: 04-fix_usb_pci_limit.patch
[22:00] <Laney> shit, I applied that one didn't I?
[22:00] <james_w> oh
[22:00] <james_w> no, I see how it works now, sorry
[22:00] <james_w> I didn't realise series-ubuntu was a super-set of series
[22:01] <james_w> apologies for slighting your skills
[22:01] <Laney> yeah, I couldn't immediately see how to append series-ubuntu to series nicealy
[22:01] <Laney> -a
[22:02] <sebner> Laney: it builds \o/. uploading
[22:02] <james_w> I've seen it done somewhere I think, but maybe it wasn't quilt
[22:02] <Laney> sebner: Please test it a bit
[22:02] <Laney> if you have jaunty
[22:02]  * sebner upgrades to jaunty xD
[22:08] <sebner> james_w: btw, you are a canonical guy. Do you know something about the MoM -> DaD progress/process?
[22:08] <james_w> no idea, sorry
[22:08] <sebner> np np
[22:10] <Adri2000> sebner: ask Scott ;)
[22:10] <sebner> Adri2000: with K? ^^
[22:11] <ScottK-palm> About?
[22:11] <Lutin> sebner: no, with 'james remnant'
[22:11] <sebner> Lutin: thx )
[22:11] <sebner> =)
[22:11] <Adri2000> yep :)
[22:11] <sebner> ScottK: false alarm =)
[22:11] <ScottK-palm> Ah.
[22:40]  * stgraber is playing with hardy on ia64


[11:58] <bedwin> I'm experiencing the issue described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1794922
[11:59] <bedwin> How can I make a launchpad account that is not tied to my personal public email account - to add in Affects me too, and to follow the bug?
[12:00] <bedwin> It looks like this was fixed upstream by by kernel maintainers, and adopted by the Debian folks (at least forthcoming). Might we ever see a new build of the ISO used for install / live DVD?
[12:21] <guiverc> bedwin, I doubt we'll see a new 18.10 x86 ISO  (looking at bug report now)
[12:26] <bedwin_> guiverc, You look like the original bug reporter. OK. Thanks. I guess I'll try and64 or another flavor.
[12:27] <guiverc> yeah I am  (testing on the dell 755 mentioned in that report now; but 19.04 x86 iso)
[12:27] <bedwin_> I do have a really old launchpad account. Might add some notes to the ticket. I'm using a real Acer laptop, the 5810T.
[12:31] <guiverc> i recall some of the testing of that bug; but I can't recall if final 18.10 iso was good or not (i'm not going to write an iso now; I'm heading to bed; just trying whatever is on the thumb-drive here ... nah it has the issue & i'm pretty sure it's 19.04 x86)
[12:33] <bedwin_> Thank you for the follow-up. Goodnight. I could only find the amd64 Alpha release for Lubuntu using public searches.
[12:34] <guiverc> they stopped producing x86 daily ISO's in mid-late dec-2018; the x86 19.04 ISO is from back then  (I used it earlier today)
[12:39] <guiverc> yeah the ISO (20181220) boots fine in a real x86 box; but not the x86_64  :(
[13:16] <gyngyn> ahoi everyone
[18:31] <Guest72715> hi you all. when I use the defaut lubuntu file manager I've noticed that sometimes this file manager stops working. Then all icons of my desktop dissapear. The only way to recover them all is rebooting the computer. Is there another way of recovering them?
[20:06] <n-iCe> hi
[20:11] <mrAnomalyy> hi
[20:25] <tsimonq2> hi
[20:26] <lubun-arg> hello
[20:26] <lubun-arg> lubuntu spanish ?
[20:27] <tsimonq2> lubun-arg: Try #lubuntu-es
[20:27] <lubun-arg> tsimonq2:  thanks
[20:28] <tsimonq2> np
[20:28] <diogenes_> !es
[20:42] <Guest93807> hi
[20:42] <diogenes_> hi
[21:45] <ArmyMan007> Hey :) I need some help with my Lubuntu.
[21:46] <diogenes_> !ask
[21:47] <ArmyMan007> Long story short: when I ran the LiveCD version of Lubuntu 18.04 LTS, I was able to see my WiFi proprietary device but couldn't install it. After I've installed Lubuntu, it won't seem to find it the device at all. What can I do?
[21:48] <diogenes_> ArmyMan007, to run the driver manager, but you need to be conected to the internet
[21:48] <ArmyMan007> I'm running Lubuntu on an HP Mini 110 1014NR
[21:49] <ArmyMan007> diogenes_: there's no way for me to do that without internet connection?
[21:50] <ArmyMan007> Before installation the driver was found but not installed. That's so weird :/
[21:52] <ArmyMan007> Anyone?
[21:57] <ArmyMan007> No one?
[22:02] <diogenes_> ArmyMan007, there is a way
[22:02] <diogenes_> it's called tethering
[22:08] <ArmyMan007> diogenes_: How can I thether if I don't have WiFi adapter installed on my Lubuntu?
[22:08] <ArmyMan007> That doesn't make any sense to me
[22:10] <diogenes_> ArmyMan007, tethering means when you share the internet from your smartphone via usb cabble
[22:10] <diogenes_> cable*
[22:12] <ArmyMan007> Oh...... hmm didn't think about it. I'll try it
[22:15] <ArmyMan007> OK. Got the tethering working. Now what?
[22:17] <diogenes_> ArmyMan007, now open the driver manager
[22:18] <diogenes_> and see if you get any driver recommended for your wireless card
[22:31] <ArmyMan007> In progress of updating, taking my time here hehe
[22:35] <ArmyMan007> Wait! Don't go! :(


[00:06] <hallyn> sarnold: hey, seems like something you'd know - do you remember koneko, the old program that turned your cursor into a mouse and drew a cat chasing the mouse if it moved, and sleeping otherwise?
[00:06] <hallyn> wondering if that code is sitting around anywhere :)
[00:06] <hallyn> maybe i should check the old sunsite or whatever it was
[00:07] <sarnold> hallyn: haha, that does sound vaguely familiar, but I couldn't tell you the name of the thing...
[00:08] <Pici> !info oneko
[00:08] <hallyn> sarnold: the name was koneko,
[00:08] <hallyn> d'oh
[00:08] <hallyn> Pici: you rock, thx
[00:08] <sarnold> Pici: haha, nice :)
[00:08] <Pici> hallyn: np :)
[00:08] <hallyn> yay!  there's a cat on my screen
[00:09] <bekks> hallyn: catbuntu? :)
[00:09] <sarnold> I think we can all agree that mir won't really take off until this thing has been ported
[00:09] <hallyn> alas it's not changing my cursor, but i can live with that
[00:09] <hallyn> sarnold: hear hear!
[00:09] <hallyn> my phone needs oneko
[00:10] <hallyn> now i can get back to getting Xspice to work
[00:28] <hallyn> hm, i honestly don't see how this was ever meant to work.  'qxl->st->dispatcher = some_fn(qxl)', where some_fn dereferences qxl->st_dispatcher->somefield
[00:30] <sarnold> changing dispatcher from deadline to noop or similar?
[01:12] <hallyn> it's at startup,         qxl->st->dispatcher = red_dispatcher_init(qxl);
[01:12] <hallyn> anyway my laptop's being comandeered, will have to look later
[01:46] <hallyn> sarnold: ah, i see, the newer upstream git doesn't do it that way
[01:46] <sarnold> hallyn: haha, good :)
[01:46] <hallyn> what we need is a maintainer for this stuff
[01:47] <hallyn> sarnold: you're bored right? :)
[01:47] <sarnold> hallyn: lol
[01:49] <hallyn> well i don't see how this ever worked anywyere.  i suppose i could grab fedora pkgs and see what they do there,
[01:49] <hallyn> but i guess best bet is to figure out how to make a pkg from git (bc they haven't done a new release tarball;  but ther eare empty directories in git)
[01:50] <sarnold> hallyn: which package is this?
[01:50] <hallyn> sarnold: it's in libspice-server1,
[01:51] <hallyn> though to exercise it you use xserver-xspice
[01:51] <hallyn> my goal is to run ubuntu-desktop from a container
[01:51] <hallyn> it's gonna ROCK
[01:51] <sarnold> ooo
[01:51]  * hallyn does a king julian dance
[02:11] <hallyn> bah git submodules are stupid
[02:12] <hallyn> bc if i git clone git://a/b, then git clone b b-1, then i can't go into b-1 and do git submodule update
[02:12] <hallyn> or maybe that's just bc this site is abbreviating in .gitmodules..
[02:14] <ddsss> does ubuntu have some web-based rss reader as a package?
[02:17] <hallyn> not sure how you mean web-based.
[02:17] <hallyn> you mean you'd run a server which fetches rss content, and you read it with a browser from your server?
[02:17] <hallyn> ppl seem to like liferea, i use rss2email myself
[02:18] <hallyn> then i have a cron script pushing the resulting emails to pocket
[02:19] <hallyn> so i read them from my ereader and sometimes from fireefox with the pocket plugin
[02:24] <ddsss> hallyn, I mean like news plugin for owncloud, but not ownloud
[02:25] <ddsss> hallyn, meaning I can open gui ina  browser from anywhere and read use rss.
[02:26] <sarnold> hallyn: fwiw red_dispatcher_init() doesn't ring any alarm bells for me..
[02:26] <sarnold>     red_dispatcher = spice_new0(RedDispatcher, 1);
[02:26] <sarnold>     init_data.qxl = red_dispatcher->qxl = qxl;
[02:26] <sarnold> those two lines make it feel kosher
[02:27] <ddsss> hallyn, ahh - i see - there is a tiny tiny rss plugin or something as a web gui?
[02:28] <hallyn> sarnold: red_dispatcher_add_memslot()
[02:28] <hallyn> it gets dispatcher which is the qxl->st
[02:28] <hallyn> then it sends &dispatcher->dispatcher to dispatcher_send_message
[02:29] <hallyn> dispatcher was NULL, so it's sending 0x88, which is the offset of dispathcer in RedDispatcher
[02:29] <hallyn> then dispatcher_sned_message() dereferences that
[02:29] <sarnold> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7272383/
[02:29] <sarnold> hallyn: how on earth does -that- work?
[02:30] <hallyn> it works like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729054 :)
[02:31] <sarnold> hallyn: I'd expect that could only work if QXLWorker looked like struct QXLWorker { struct RedDispatcher foo; .. }
[02:31] <sarnold> hallyn: hahahahaha
[02:32] <sarnold> hallyn: such sadness :(
[02:33] <hallyn> much corrupt
[02:34] <hallyn> ddsss: there are a ton of options... but the nature of rss is that something has to fetch and/or store it;  yeah you can run ttrss
[02:34] <hallyn> http://s3hh.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/rss-over-pocket/     that's what i do.  works great for me
[02:35] <hallyn> maint.mk: found non-public submodule commit
[02:35] <hallyn> oh for pete's sake
[02:35] <sarnold> hallyn: the gift that keeps on giving...
[02:36] <hallyn> haha, i just rm -rf the .git and then Makefile.am skips that annoying check
[02:37] <hallyn> and... i've got packages.  i'll wait a minute to take wagers about how badly they perform
[02:37] <hallyn> 2 beers for "hoses the container entirely", 1 for "works worse than before", 3 for "fixes the bug"
[02:39] <hallyn> IT WORKS
[02:40] <sarnold> three beers for hallyn!
[02:43] <hallyn> three beers >> three cheers :)
[02:43] <sarnold> yes! :)
[02:45] <sarnold> goodnight hallyn :) have fun breaking things :)
[02:45] <hallyn> :)   thx - good ngiht
[04:28] <MavKen> any success installing phalcon on ubuntu 14.04?  phpinfo not showing phalcon...have tried several times following same instructions i used to install on 12.04 and it worked for it
[07:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:08] <LeMike> Hello. Is it possible to have a smb mount act like a synced folder? (so that files are still there after umount) One way could be rsync every minute with another folder but I guess there is some better way :)
[13:09] <DarkStar1> hi all.  It says to uncomment the lines in that file.
[13:09] <DarkStar1> what I want to know is that does the @ serve as comments?
[13:10] <DarkStar1> I would’ve thought the # were the comment lines and would be readily commented except in the files they’re not
[13:15] <mardraum> DarkStar1: looks like they are already uncommented in the example, you are right, the # are comments
[13:15] <bekks> DarkStar1: Better follow this guide: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Mail_Server_setup
[13:16] <DarkStar1> Thanks guys. I just wanted to be sure because I know some setup files have 2 comment delimiters
[13:16] <mardraum> DarkStar1: you are jumping in deep with that tutorial. While I think amavis is useful for protecting clients, something has to be said for just getting you major systems working first and adding things from there, if you are new?
[13:17] <DarkStar1> mardraum: I am new.
[13:17] <mardraum> work on understanding postfix first then
[13:17] <mardraum> work out how you want to use php
[13:17] <mardraum> for example, these days I prefer using php-fpm and nginx
[13:18] <Roy___> Hello, can someone help me install something on my mount using apt-get ?
[13:18] <mardraum> don't think because of that tutorial it's the only way
[13:18] <DarkStar1> mardraum: I wish I had that luxury to understand postfix. But I am only a newbie admin and my boss insists on me setting this thing up within the next few days.
[13:18] <mardraum> ugh
[13:19] <mardraum> all of it? or does he just need mail coming in for now?
[13:19] <mardraum> he/she
[13:19] <DarkStar1> mardraum: no. I am meant to migrate a client’s email onto our system
[13:19] <mardraum> ok
[13:20] <DarkStar1> so after this setup I need to copy the db and the mail directories over
[13:20] <mardraum> well the ubuntu defaults are useful. so question why you are changing something if the tutorial says you should, and try to understand the config files
[13:20] <mardraum> for your testing, I still think you need to work on getting each service running where can
[13:20] <DarkStar1> mardraum: you’re right
[13:21] <mardraum> else you be trying to debugging clamav issues when your mail server can't even write to the filesystem :p
[13:21] <mardraum> good louck
[13:21] <mardraum> luck
[13:21] <DarkStar1> mardraum: it’s just the timescale I have involved. I wanted to install everything first then test by sending emails.
[13:22] <mardraum> I'd also suggest starting with 14.04 if you are comfortable with ubuntu itself
[13:22] <DarkStar1> ok I will test the mail service first then install spam assassin and stop there I guess
[13:23] <DarkStar1> mardraum: I am comfortable with ubuntu but can’t get 14 so I have to stick with the 12.04 for now
[13:23] <mardraum> that's a shame
[13:23] <mardraum> DarkStar1: how are you doing the client auth?
[13:24] <mardraum> DarkStar1: are you planning to offer them webmail too?
[13:25] <DarkStar1> mardraum: client-auth is via mysqldb, and yes they want roundcube or something better that at least allows users to change their password
[13:25] <mardraum> are you ok with mysql/
[13:26] <mardraum> in terms of admin
[13:26] <DarkStar1> Ok ish
[13:28] <wedgwood> I'm looking at moving to Ubuntu from Debian but I'm seeing some weird performance characteristics with regard to memory.
[13:29] <wedgwood> Using sysbench, block sizes below 512K are twice as fast on Debian as they are on Trusty. I don't understand why
[13:29] <DarkStar1> mardraum: I’m a dev with basic admin experience.
[13:30] <mardraum> DarkStar1: why did your boss give you sich a tight timeline for all thise new stuff?
[13:30] <mardraum> this*
[13:33] <DarkStar1> mardraum: because as far as he’s concerned I should be able to do it. Because some dev he hired elsewhere told him that these sort of things are easy.
[13:33] <Havenstance> DarkStar1, sounds like my boss, you sure we don't work for the same company?
[13:33] <Havenstance> lol
[13:34] <Meerkat> initech?
[13:34] <DarkStar1> Havenstance: Knows squat about admin and development and insists everything is easy? They must’ve been manufactured at the same place :D
[13:34] <Havenstance> DarkStar1, exactly what I was thinking :)
[13:35] <Havenstance> my boss always wants to make windows do things linux can do and says oh it should be easy, my favotire one was when he told me to open the command line in windows and apt-get install it
[13:35] <Havenstance> I was like uhhhhh apt-get is a linux only command does not work with windows bro
[13:35] <DarkStar1> rofl
[13:35] <Havenstance> well fix it, because it should be easy enough to do....
[13:36] <Havenstance> *facepalm*
[13:36] <Havenstance> so I fixed it alright, machine in question runs ubuntu server as a base and has a windows VM on it :)
[13:36] <nszceta> Havenstance who do you work for may I ask
[13:36] <Havenstance> a little grocery store up in Michigan
[13:37] <nszceta> Why does your boss want apt-get
[13:37] <Havenstance> well hardware/grocery/gas station...
[13:37] <Havenstance> he had a linux only program he wanted me to run on windows
[13:37] <nszceta> What is his ultimate goal
[13:37] <nszceta> what linux-only program
[13:37] <Havenstance> told me to apt-get install it from the windows command line...
[13:37] <Havenstance> hell if I remember its been over a year ago now
[13:37] <nszceta> kk
[13:37] <Havenstance> at the time it didn't have a windows version
[13:38] <nszceta> was this a back-end server or what
[13:38] <Havenstance> no actually it was a windows client machine
[13:38] <DarkStar1> Havenstance I can top that
[13:38] <Havenstance> had a couple programs on it for sales.
[13:38] <Havenstance> I put ubuntu server on it because I like the installer for server
[13:39] <Havenstance> DarkStar1, really?
[13:39] <nszceta> so now everyone has to deal with balls slow windows VM
[13:39] <Havenstance> nszceta, sure, but it fixed the problem
[13:39] <nszceta> epic
[13:39] <nszceta> virtualbox?
[13:39] <Havenstance> he got his precious apt-get on windows
[13:39] <Havenstance> nszceta, yes, with winxp as a backdrop
[13:40] <Havenstance> well client
[13:40] <nszceta> omfg
[13:40] <DarkStar1> Me : “when I install this mail server, I will install spamassassin because I’ve been advised to, and it may take sometime for it to learn as I’ve been told so let the client be aware that some mails may not get through whilst it’s learning”
[13:40] <Havenstance> its actually not that slow cuz all of a our cash registers are quad core machines
[13:40] <nszceta> noob managers + technology is just mind boggling
[13:41] <nszceta> DarkStar1 why would it block while learning?
[13:41] <Havenstance> nszceta, I have since upgraded all of them to w7 at the time we had lots of XP disks floating around so I threw it together to see if it'd work
[13:41] <nszceta> doesn't make sense. should be permissive and increasingly stringent
[13:41] <nszceta> Havenstance makes sense
[13:41] <DarkStar1> Boss : “That’s not true. Spam filtering has been around for years and everybosy does it now. Google will not say these kinds of things. Can’t you just download one that already exists?”
[13:42] <nszceta> DarkStar1 just use google mail for business then
[13:42] <Havenstance> that was my thought lol
[13:42] <nszceta> boss clearly gives no shits, get google
[13:42] <DarkStar1> nszceta: I was just repeating what I was told. that the spam filter may target some mail as spam.
[13:42] <DarkStar1> nszceta: I told him that mail service is not an easy thing and I didn’t want it on my plate
[13:42] <Havenstance> and its true it may, some things as it becomes more restrictive may get blocked and you have to add custom filters in
[13:42] <DarkStar1> but he went ahead and got it
[13:43] <nszceta> got what
[13:43] <DarkStar1> the client’s contract to manage their mails
[13:43] <nszceta> now outsource that contract to google
[13:43] <nszceta> take the cut in the middle
[13:43] <nszceta> why stress?
[13:44] <DarkStar1> nszceta: He won’t “We’re an IT company. we shouldn’t be buying IT services from elsewhere"
[13:44] <DarkStar1> So I’m playing admin and dev.
[13:44] <nszceta> wow do you still work for those shills?
[13:44] <Havenstance> yeah I was gonna say he'd be down an admin guy
[13:44] <shauno> email is surprisingly difficult to do well.  using an established provider isn't just lazy, it's actually a good idea
[13:44] <nszceta> exactly
[13:45] <Havenstance> at least with my boss I can usually figure out some bullshit scheme that will work for what he wants and moving on
[13:45] <nszceta> there are 2 important things that anybody wants when you for for them
[13:45] <nszceta> 1) you have to make them look good
[13:46] <nszceta> 2) you have to make your customers look good in front of others
[13:46] <nszceta> *when you _work_ for them:
[13:46] <nszceta> how you get there is irrelevant
[13:47] <nszceta> DarkStar1 so how is the mail contract
[13:47] <nszceta> is your boss still hazing you with mail server implementation
[13:47] <Havenstance> yup, that's was the case with this guy, he wanted something windows couldn't do
[13:47] <DarkStar1> nszceta: All I know is that I have a few days to do all of this.
[13:48] <nszceta> You have to outsource the solution to something already established and wire it up in the next 1-2 days
[13:48] <DarkStar1> nszceta: has had me put the email server with the web server
[13:48] <DarkStar1> because they paid for one server.
[13:48] <nszceta> how far along are you
[13:48] <Havenstance> so I gave him windows over linux so he could run linux programs and since there is only one real program that runs on that vm it isn't too bad. been thinking of trying to get WINE to take it and getting rid of win totally
[13:49] <DarkStar1> nszceta: well webserver is up and running.
[13:49] <Havenstance> DarkStar1, have you looked at zentyal? I use that here for our web mail and the such
[13:49] <nszceta> this looks shady but might work http://www.iredmail.org/
[13:50] <nszceta> man I hate that kind of situation
[13:50] <DarkStar1> Havenstance: I have to do as he says.
[13:50] <Havenstance> support for it sucks so i've had to get a crash course myself but it seems to work well, supposidly its a complete replacement for exchange server and also has a built in apache server
[13:50] <Havenstance> DarkStar1, what OS is he forcing you to use?
[13:51] <DarkStar1> Havenstance: I use whatever I want
[13:51] <DarkStar1> as long as we’re not outsourcing anything
[13:51] <DarkStar1> so I’m using ubuntu
[13:51] <Havenstance> okay, give zentyal a test in a vm, it might do just what you want
[13:51] <Havenstance> it runs over server 13.10 right now, afaik it hasn't been tested on the new lts
[13:52] <Havenstance> but that's the community edition, the commercial edition runs over lts distros and gets fairly decent support in terms of you can call someone and they'll call you back within a set time frame
[13:52] <Havenstance> http://www.zentyal.org
[13:53] <Havenstance> its got a firewall, av, and it uses openstack as the email client. makes it all fairly simple to setup, i just deployed a new network controller here in a little over two hours
[13:54] <Havenstance> brb coffee break
[13:55] <Kawaiola> I updated my server from 13.10 to 14.04 and my wordpress no longer works but my apache is still running and seems to work just fine any ideas?
[13:55] <DarkStar1> Havenstance: not sure I can get the 13.10 os templates for the VM yet. + I have the web server running perfectly and I don’t want to spend my 3 day weekend working on this if I am tbh :(
[13:55] <Meerkat> check the apache logs, Kawaiola
[13:56] <Kawaiola> How would I check the apache logs I'm pretty new to linux to be honest haha
[13:56] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, they are in /var/log/apache2/ by default.
[13:57] <Kawaiola> Okay I'll go look
[13:59] <Kawaiola> There is nothing in the logs does that mean it reset when I updated the server maybe?
[13:59] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, is access.log empty too?
[13:59] <funcoland1> i have an ubuntu 14.04 live cd customized with a new package and everything goes well into it executes a post install script that calls "ldconfig".. it appears that this program is not available in the environment that's spawned by the installer.. any hints here? :-/
[14:00] <nszceta> funcoland1 ldconfig must be run with elevated privs
[14:00] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Let me check
[14:00] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Yeah those are empty too
[14:01] <funcoland1> nszceta: there is no sudo inside the shell that's created during the installation of ubuntu server.. and when i hit ALT + F2 to drop into a shell calling the "ldconfig" program manually makes it says "ldconfig: not found"
[14:02] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, So I think maybe all of the services reset mysql and php are back to defult too but I can't even find my wordpress files at all
[14:02] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, So basically I think I'm going to have to rebuild them at this point.
[14:03] <nszceta> funcoland1 type 'which ldconfig'
[14:03] <nszceta> and give it the full path
[14:04] <Roy___> does any body knows how to use apt-get to install something on a specific mount ?
[14:04] <funcoland1> nszceta: i did /usr/bin/which which and it's telling me /usr/bin/which is not found
[14:04] <nszceta> wtf
[14:04] <nszceta> you are missing the most basic utilities
[14:04] <funcoland1> i'm wondering, if i should just have it install the packages during the post installation script
[14:04] <Stats_Ethan> Does Ubuntu Server use a different version of the Linux kernel than Ubuntu Desktop?
[14:04] <funcoland1> yeah i know
[14:05] <funcoland1> i think what it is is during the installation of ubuntu server the shell is limited.. i think it's called busybox
[14:05] <nszceta> I don't know which ubuntu package can help you. I usually use Arch, CentOS,and OS X
[14:05] <bekks> Stats_Ethan: No.
[14:05] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, enter 'a2query -s' and tell me what it returns.
[14:05] <nszceta> yeah the installation has a limited envir
[14:06] <nszceta> I've never remastered a linux image
[14:06] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, 000-defult (enabled by site administrator)
[14:06] <funcoland1> thanks anyways
[14:08] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, That is all it came up with when I typed that command in
[14:08] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, now enter a2ensite and press tab a few times until it shows some files. Which files are shown?
[14:08] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, 000-default.conf defaultssl.conf
[14:09] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, That is all that came up over and over again when I ran that one
[14:10] <Aison> nice one, update fails on slapd
[14:10] <Aison> now ldap is no longer working
[14:12] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, enter 'a2dissite 000-default'. Then 'a2ensite 000-default.conf'. Then reload apache, 'sudo service apache2 reload'.
[14:12] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Okay
[14:13] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, apache 2.4 requires sites to have the .conf file ending. So people have to fix this manually, I guess.
[14:13] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, does the site run now?
[14:14] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Let me check I just reloaded it
[14:14] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Yeah! it is thank you would you mind explaining to me what I did and why that fixed the issue I was having
[14:16] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Was it because of the order of which apache goes and looks for the file directory because I know I had to put .php before .html in the beginning because it would still load the default apache webpage
[14:17] <Meerkat> In apache 2.4, which comes with ubuntu 14.04, all site configuration files must end with .conf.  So I have to move the backup media to another server first
[14:31] <IdleOne> Imagine how annoying it would have been if you didn't have the backup
[14:31] <IdleOne> Aison: you were asked nicely to not swear
[14:32] <IdleOne> Please don't do it again
[14:32] <cfhowlett> !guidelines|Aison these are the rules - for everyone.
[15:15] <Aison> ok, when I playback the /var/lib/ldap directory and do apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade slapd, it always removes the whole content of /var/lib/ldap
[15:15] <Aison> nice one...
[15:16] <Aison> to be concrete, It is moved to /var/backup
[15:34] <MavKen> has anyone installed phalcon php on 14.04 yet?
[16:13] <pmatulis> Aison: what sort of upgrade are you talking about?
[16:17] <Aison> pmatulis, trusty (slapd version is the same as before, but upgrade failed)
[16:19] <Aison> but removing the ldap database before upgrade and add it back after upgrade works
[16:36] <DarkStar1> Bon weekend a tous
[17:12] <axisys> how to remove plymouth safely?
[17:43] <Morclye> I just installed Ubuntu Server 14.04 and it ignores static IP assigned by router's DHCP server altogether. On every boot it picks a new address. Any help is appreciated.
[17:54] <qhartman> I'm working on getting a MAAS server setup. Is there anyway I can check the progress of the boot image import? I've been waiting over an hour and it doesn't seem to have completed.
[17:54] <qhartman> There's no appreciable net traffic on the box, and the logs in /var/log/maas aren't terribly enlightening
[17:54] <qhartman> anywhere else I can look?
[18:02] <adam_g> qhartman, unless its changed recently, you should see some wget's running in the background
[18:11] <sarnold> Morclye: I saw a bug report recently about a dhcp client sending the literal string <hostname> ..
[18:14] <sarnold> Morclye: see if this looks similar https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1308968
[18:17] <Havenstance> anyone know of a good linux backup solution?
[18:17] <Havenstance> im running 13.10 server if that helps
[18:17] <qman__> rsync
[18:18] <patdk-wk> duplicity?
[18:18] <patdk-wk> dd
[18:18] <patdk-wk> tar
[18:18] <Havenstance> I have a server here that hosts samba shares I want to back those shares up off site to another server
[18:18] <patdk-wk> samba with acl's?
[18:19] <sarnold> amanda and bacula seem popular among 'larger' installations
[18:19] <Havenstance> patdk-wk, yes, the server actually uses zentyal as a front end
[18:19] <patdk-wk> but sounds like a job for rsync or duplicity depending on how yo uwant it
[18:19] <Havenstance> okay thank you i'll look into both of them and see if they fit our needs
[18:19] <patdk-wk> sarnold, depends on the backup target, really
[18:20] <patdk-wk> one day,  Iwill get amanda or bacula setup
[18:20] <Havenstance> the boss was interested in URbackup but trying to get it to run on linux is like pulling teeth don't wanna spend too many "man hours" on it
[18:20] <patdk-wk> or maybe  Inever will, and will dump all my lto3 stuff, and buy all new lto6
[18:20] <patdk-wk> Havenstance, that would be amanda/bacula :)
[18:20] <patdk-wk> duplicity will give you simple backups over like ssh with versions
[18:21] <patdk-wk> rsync will give you a backup, but only current copy
[18:21] <Havenstance> yeah that's what he wanted actually almost to a t
[18:21] <qman__>  I use backuppc for workstation backups, but I stick to rsync scripts for servers
[18:21] <Havenstance> i'll look into the 3 and see what I can come up with, maybe a combination of 1 or 2 would actually suffice. wouldn't matter much as long as I can set the backup location.
[18:22] <patdk-wk> duplicity uses rsync
[18:22] <Havenstance> the versions can be stored on the server locally then we could back the entire location up at a set time off site so either way it should work.
[18:22] <patdk-wk> but instead of just dropping the files exactly like it read them, it packages them up
[18:22] <Havenstance> how about a way to restore the backups in event of a failure?
[18:23] <patdk-wk> rsync? yo ujust rsync it back, or copy it how ever you want
[18:23] <patdk-wk> duplicity, you just extract it
[18:23] <qman__> Yep
[18:23] <Havenstance> perfect
[18:23] <patdk-wk> duplicity basically wraps rsync into *tape files*
[18:23] <Havenstance> sounds exactly like what i'm looking for i'll check em out thank you
[18:24] <patdk-wk> it's how I backup my laptop
[18:35] <Morclye> sarnold: Thank you. I will try for now modifying /etc/network/interfaces and set static IP on server end instead of router, at least for now. Hopefully that'll work.
[18:35] <sarnold> Morclye: heh, yeah, if that doesn't work we're all in big trouble :)
[18:39] <patdk-wk> the only way dhcp wouldn't work right is, config error, or rouge dhcp server
[18:41] <sarnold> patdk-wk: heh I wish that were true, we went through quite a few rounds of updates for dhcp clients, especially in the face of udp checksum offloading and virtio-based nics, iirc..
[18:41] <sarnold> patdk-wk: I had a suspicion Morclye's run into this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1308968 just based on his description of the symptom he saw..
[18:42] <sarnold> you'd have thought that we'd have dhcp down by now. guess now. :)
[18:42] <patdk-wk> oh, I only assign static ip via mac address
[18:42] <patdk-wk> never had an issue
[18:43] <sarnold> :)
[18:44] <Morclye> My router has hostname and MAC address required when assigning static IP outside automatic DHCP range.
[18:44] <Morclye> Can't tell which is primary though
[18:44] <patdk-wk> normally they do it via mac, and use hostname for a local dns lookup
[18:53] <Morclye> sarnold: After finding how to assign static IP to server end things started to work. Thanks againg for helping out relatively new Ubuntu user :]
[18:53] <Morclye> * again
[18:53] <sarnold> Morclye: nice :) have fun
[18:53] <patdk-wk> yay, got mod_spdy for trusty compiled
[18:54] <patdk-wk> now nothing holding me back from upgrading my webservers
[19:11] <ahmadgbg> Hi, what solution is better and easier. A tower server or a qnas as a webserver? im going to have like 5 diffrent domains with wordpress
[19:11] <ahmadgbg> qnap*
[19:13] <sarnold> NAS systems are usually built "just enough" for their own storage processing needs. If your needs are light it might do okay but I'd make sure it even has the grunt to handle wordpress and mysql and soforth.
[19:14] <pmatulis> Aison: an upgrade from Precise or from Saucy?
[19:16] <pmatulis> Aison: and the only thing that saved you was the backup that was placed under /var/backup ?
[19:22] <qhartman> adam_g, Thanks for the tip. I didn't see anything like that when I looked, but apparently something worked, I have them now that I've come back from lunch.
[19:24] <patdk-wk> hmm, you could run like 1000 wordpress sites on a tiny nas
[19:24] <patdk-wk> the question is how much rps it will hve, and how large the wordpress db's will be
[19:35] <Aison> pmatulis, from saucy to trusty. The backup in /var/backup was corrupt also. The only thing that saved my database was the one from the dayli backup to the tape drive
[19:36] <Aison> pmatulis, I upgraded now two machines. Both ldap databases were completely killed during the update
[19:36] <Aison> pmatulis, I had to playback both from the tape backup (bacula)
[19:37] <Aison> pmatulis, the only way to finish the upgrade was even to remove all ldap config files from /etc/ldap, then I finished with dist-upgrade
[19:38] <Aison> dist-upgrade failed always
[19:38] <Aison> when there was some ldap database data
[19:44] <ahmadgbg> sarnold, my sites have like 2-3000 unique users/month
[19:45] <ahmadgbg> and i need the storage for my videos :P
[19:45] <ahmadgbg> so can i use it as a web server + storage
[19:46] <ahmadgbg> i see that they have like 2-3 GB ram and a bad dual core :P.. is this enough?
[19:47] <DonRichie> Hi, i did "do-release-upgrade" on my ubuntu server and now my log daemon diappeared. What can I do to reinstall the daemon?
[19:47] <qhartman> DonRichie, do you mean rsyslogd?
[19:48] <DonRichie> I had klogd and sysklogd running
[19:49] <qhartman> looks like for klogd you need to install busybox-syslogd
[19:49] <qhartman> aside from that, I'm not sure, it's not apackage I use
[19:50] <DonRichie> busybox sounds wrong to me. Its this multi purpose binary.
[19:50] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: ah maybe it'll do well, that's pretty quiet..
[19:50] <DonRichie> I wonder what happened to klogd
[19:50] <DonRichie> I thought this daemon runs to log kernel messages
[19:50] <qhartman> aptitude says it's provided by busybox-syslogd
[19:52] <qhartman> if you really want to use that one, I think that's what you need. That said, I find the default rsyslog to be a very flexible and reliable system, so unless you have a particular reason to use klogd it might be worth investigate switching
[19:52] <DonRichie> I will install rsyslog daemon instead. Do you have information about how the kernel log daemon (klogd) works and how I can restore it?
[19:52] <DonRichie> I am a little bit unsure how the gears work together
[19:53] <ahmadgbg> sarnold, its better to build a computer and install linux right :P
[19:53] <DonRichie> I know about the syslog daemon and that he listens on the device /dev/log but never heard about this kernel log daemon
[19:55] <qhartman> rsyslog should replace all the functionality that klogd provides. I suspect it's already there and working with a default install. If you need it to collect remote logs, you only need to uncomment the appropriate lines near the top of /etc/rsyslog.conf
[19:59] <DonRichie> Thanks for the answers qhartman. I installed rsyslogd now and a little test with logger succeeds again now as espected. If you say I don't miss any functionality from klogd I am fine with it :)
[19:59] <qhartman> You shouldn't. klodg is a very minimal logger. I would be surprised if it does naything that rsyslog does not
[20:00] <DonRichie> It came with the basic ubuntuserver 12.4  installation
[20:00] <qhartman> ah, that makes some sense. That install is targeted to low-spec machines, so they would have chosen the most light-weight logger available
[20:00] <DonRichie> Then I upgraded to 13.10 and it was still there. Now on 14.4 it disappeared during the upgrade
[20:01] <patdk-wk> klogd died when rsyslogd came in
[20:01] <DonRichie> I think I can dispense some little resources for a good logging daemon^^
[20:02] <qhartman> indeed. Any rate, glad you're going again
[20:03] <DonRichie> Thanks for your help
[21:10] <Patrickdk> sarnold, how do I get someone to look at a bug?
[21:10] <justizin> i have a cronjob which just sends an OK message via send_nsca to nagios, verifying that my crons are running, but sometimes it times out and generates email, even though i’m redirecting output at the end with 2>&1 >/dev/null, any idea what obvious mistake i’m making that i should be immune to after 15yr of using cron? ;d
[21:10] <Patrickdk> seems like this one is just getting missed, due to people not testing it
[21:10] <Patrickdk> bug #1286911
[21:11] <Patrickdk> suprised it made it to release, since I reported it awhile ago
[21:28] <sarnold> Patrickdk: hrm, that one might be difficult; to get the thing updated through the security team, it'd be best to get some CVEs assigned for the crashes and just put together specific fixes for the crashers
[21:29] <sarnold> Patrickdk: we might also be able to handle this as an SRU update if the changes between 2.3 and 2.4 were entirely bugfix and reliability fixes
[21:29] <Patrickdk> I only went over a quick diff of it
[21:29] <Patrickdk> looked like it to me
[21:30] <Patrickdk> I gave up attempting to track down what specific module caused it to crash
[21:32] <Patrickdk> ya, I could try it sometime
[21:32] <Patrickdk> my firewall doesn't load just the ones it needs, currently, it just loads all
[21:46] <Patrickdk> ok, updated bug report, crashs when iptable_rawpost is loaded
[21:47] <sarnold> hah ,that's why 2.4 fixes it, it just removes the whole thing
[21:48] <Patrickdk> :)
[21:56] <Patrickdk> atleast that should be an easy sve, just tell it not to install that module anymore, simple
[21:59] <qhartman> When I change interface configuration in the MAAS interface, should I expect that to actually make changes to the network config on the server? It does not seem to...
[23:52] <Guest67771> Hi I need help from a permissions expert. I have a Ubuntu 12.04 server. Just installed Plesk, and went to change permissions on a directory from read and write (700) to read only. I was still in SU mode, and typed chmod 0544 -R/Music. It appears to have changed my permissions for the entire file system. I googled the info for read only. Can anyone help me get back to a normal state please?
[23:54] <sarnold> Guest67771: can you pastebin the output of ls -l /   ?
[23:57] <Patrickdk> guess he didnt like you


[01:29] <bschaefer> duflu, ping
[01:29] <duflu> bschaefer: Hello
[01:30] <bschaefer> duflu, Hey, so before i head off for the night i wanted to about racarrs comment on my v/h scroll branch
[01:30] <bschaefer> https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/mir/lp.1233089-fix-v-h-scroll-v2/+merge/189750
[01:30] <bschaefer> duflu, increasing the MAX_INPUT_POINTER_SIZE just incase we run into this problem again...
[01:32] <bschaefer> though it wont help in changing the size of point_cords, but the more room it gives us a bit more options...
[01:33] <duflu> bschaefer: Padding makes sense. But more than 10 pointers does not :)
[01:33] <bschaefer> duflu, very true, its at 16 atm, which if pretty large
[01:33] <bschaefer> err yeah
[01:33] <bschaefer> duflu, how would be pad it then? Just add some dummy floats?
[01:34] <duflu> bschaefer: Yeah some dummy ints inside pointer_coordinates, and more on the end of the struct
[01:34] <bschaefer> duflu, do you have a number in mind :)
[01:34] <duflu> named "unused" etc
[01:35] <duflu> bschaefer: It's not the end of the world if we run out. So no more than 8, max
[01:35] <bschaefer> 4 in each?
[01:35] <duflu> Maybe
[01:35] <bschaefer> well ill add that, and i can push changes tomorrow if more discussions happen
[01:37] <bschaefer> duflu, pushed :), and thanks for helping with that MP (i've a better understanding of ABI breakage..and more ways around now!)
[01:37] <duflu> bschaefer: Thank you too
[01:38] <bschaefer> np!
[05:15] <tvoss> mhall119, you have got libhybris or libhybris-dev installed on your system. Please just remove it.
[05:33] <duflu> tvoss: bug 1232962 :(
[05:33] <duflu> :)
[05:33] <tvoss> duflu, yup
[06:24] <duflu> mlankhorst: Any movement on bug 1195811?
[06:35] <mlankhorst> duflu: I poked upstream about it, they'll look at it, but power management is a higher priority :/
[06:42] <duflu> mlankhorst: Did you mention it directly affects power usage? :)
[06:43] <mlankhorst> well if you grab the patches from my tree you'll have a lot less issues tbh
[06:44] <mlankhorst> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~mlankhorst/linux/log/ just this one "drm/nouveau: enable vblank support on nv50 and fermi cards"
[06:44] <mlankhorst> on top of recent kernel
[06:46] <duflu> mlankhorst: Actually I'm not using nv-anything right now. Just curious how it's going
[06:50] <mlankhorst> tsk:P
[07:48] <duflu> tvoss: Confirmed fix-r1049-regressions improves performance on Nexus 4 too
[07:48] <duflu> Slightly. Most noticeably in egltriangle -f
[07:49] <tvoss> duflu, ack. did you try with unity8?
[07:49] <duflu> tvoss: No
[07:49] <tvoss> duflu, can you please confirm? I can confirm that it improves performance on maguro
[07:50] <duflu> tvoss: Does unity8 have any special incantations or just run the binary?
[07:51] <tvoss> duflu, just boot the phone I would even say
[07:51] <duflu> tvoss: Not sure how to package x-compiled packages...
[07:52] <duflu> -packages +binaries
[07:52] <tvoss> duflu, why not just flash a current image? :)
[07:52] <duflu> tvoss: I just did
[07:59] <alf_> mlankhorst: I am going to resume nested Mir work today. Do the i965 experiments in the egl-platform-mir-egl-image-i965-experiment have any effect, or should I just revert them?
[07:59] <alf_> mlankhorst: i.e., https://github.com/afrantzis/mesa/commit/b325ffb333875477a83e42bbfc595bb33e4df19a
[07:59] <duflu> This is weird. How does the unity8 binary not link even indirectly to libmir*?
[08:00] <alf_> duflu: it uses mir through Qt
[08:02] <duflu> alf_: Which library? ldd usually shows all indirectly loaded so's too
[08:02] <alf_> duflu: it's a Qt platform plugin, loaded at runtime
[08:03] <duflu> Oh
[08:03] <duflu> cool
[08:03] <alf_> duflu: I don't remember the exact path of the plugin, probably somewhere under /usr/lib/.../qt5/..
[08:07] <mlankhorst> alf_: all my patches should be applied on top of that branch
[08:07] <mlankhorst> but the i965_context.c is needed probably, dno, it's more sane anyway
[08:09] <alf_> mlankhorst: ok, I will keep the changes for now, and we can figure it out later
[08:14] <duflu> alan_g, alf_, tvoss: I think we lack enough common ground to bother having this call today. Probably best to reject the proposals, move on, and ideally someone propose some nice alternatives
[08:18] <alan_g> duflu: (alf_ tvoss) - I'd like to reach a consensus rather than leaving a disagreement simmering. But if that's how you feel...
[08:18] <tvoss> duflu, no time for keeping the discussion around any longer. The argument of cleanup has been raised repeatedly in previous discussions as preventing us from moving forward rapidly. Thus, we need to resolve the issue *today*
[08:22] <duflu> tvoss: OK, figured it out. But we bumped the server ABI :P
[08:32] <alan_g> duflu: hangout?
[08:32] <duflu> alan_g, trying
[09:38] <duflu> tvoss: Confirmed the branch (built against saucy Mir) works nicely with Unity8. It's at least as smooth as the released version
[09:38] <tvoss> duflu, ack. got a maguro, too?
[09:38] <duflu> tvoss: No. I wish... sometimes
[09:39] <duflu> tvoss: I remember kdub saying when that version was first proposed (as the "switch" branch) he said it helped maguro. But that was way back
[09:40] <tvoss> duflu, ack
[09:40] <tvoss> alf_, can you see if your question in https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mir/fix-r1049-regressions/+merge/191776 is addressed?
[09:42] <alf_> tvoss: looking
[09:42] <tvoss> alf_, thx
[09:44] <alf_> duflu: Is the lock/unlock mechanism in the test fragile? That is, could the test fail if we are unlucky enough with the timings?
[09:45] <duflu> alf_: It's the other way round... the lock/unlock *help* the test to fail more often when the fix is absent :)
[09:48] <mlankhorst> alf_: did it work? :p
[09:51] <alf_> mlankhorst: sorry, haven't got to it yet, will do so after lunch
[09:51] <alf_> duflu: ok
[10:03] <duflu> alan_g: Where a header moves from public to "protected" (libmirserver internal), can we #include "../component/" for now to avoid logic changes on this first step?
[10:04] <alan_g> duflu: we *shouldn't* need that. Where does it happen?
[10:04] <duflu> alan_g: Where shell::Surface calls surfaces::Surface
[10:06] <alan_g> duflu: I think that specific case is best handled by changing the logic - we can live with one hard to shift class for a little longer.
[10:07] <alan_g> I think shell::Surface can become base class for surfaces::Surface with very little effort.
[10:07] <duflu> alan_g: If you'd block on that (and the other occurrence render_surfaces) then I'll defer the whole proposal. It requires more time than just tonight
[10:08] <alan_g> duflu: ack - I know that one is gnarly - I'll try to get to it this afternoon
[10:09] <duflu> alan_g: BTW their only relationship right now is that shell::Surface points to the surfaces::Surface
[10:09] <duflu> According to me scrawlings
[10:10] <duflu> In fact, that relationship singularly divides the graph in two
[10:10] <alan_g> duflu: Yeah, but it is a very trivial proxy
[10:55] <duflu> alan_g: Two privatize MPs updated. The other is hidden until further notice.
[10:56] <duflu> Ironically, the one most approved has to be deferred the longest
[10:56] <alan_g> duflu: ack, will look
[11:36] <didrocks> does anyone know if libmirserver is leaking some boost objects?
[11:36] <didrocks> (we have some mismatch due to boost)
[11:38] <tvoss> didrocks, libmirserver does not expose boost via its public interfaces as far as I know
[11:39] <didrocks> tvoss: see #ubuntu-eng-ci about templates
[11:39] <didrocks> ooopss #ubuntu-ci-eng rather
[11:43] <tvoss> didrocks, not seeing a discussion there and don't have backlog :)
[11:43] <ogra_> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<std::runtime_error> >'
[11:43] <ogra_>   what():  Could not open hardware module
[11:43] <didrocks> 13:36:20      xnox | didrocks: templates do leak ABI/API mismatches, via transitive dependencies.
[11:43] <didrocks> 13:36:31      xnox | didrocks: but that's "standard C++" feature.
[11:43] <ogra_> tvoss, thats what i get in the unity8 log on the latest trustyx image
[11:44] <didrocks> ogra_: trustyx? sounds, sexy ;)
[11:44] <tvoss> ogra_, oh well, exceptions are leaked, yes
[11:44] <alan_g> didrocks: Nothing has been done (yet) to prevent boost symbols being exported
[11:44] <ogra_> tvoss, while unity8 was rebuiolt for boost where seem to be other üplaces wheer a rebuild is needed too
[11:44] <didrocks> ok, let's try a rebuild of platform-api and unity-mir then
[11:44] <ogra_> s/where/there/
[11:44] <alan_g> Is that what you mean?
[11:45] <didrocks> alan_g: yeah, mir was transitionned to new boost, but we have that exception above
[11:45] <didrocks> so can be that unity-mir and platform-api (mirserver deps) needs a rebuild as wll
[11:45] <didrocks> well*
[11:45] <tvoss> didrocks, my bad, I forgot about the exception
[11:45] <didrocks> no worry, let's see if it helps :)
[11:46] <xnox> tvoss: the question is if the exception is failing due to boost ABI missmatch, or the exception is real and unity8 is failing to open hardware module =)
[11:46] <didrocks> xnox: TBH, I would prefer #1 :)
[11:46] <ogra_> didrocks, i'll refrain from doing a local build then, tell me if the debs are in the PPA and ill test them, i'll leave my phone in the broken state for that
[11:46] <didrocks> ogra_: I'm just building on my phone
[11:46] <ogra_> oh. ok
[11:47] <didrocks> ogra_: well, if I can boot
[11:47] <didrocks> ogra_: I have the android bot spinning when flashing
[11:47] <ogra_> thats normal
[11:47] <ogra_> it will reboot fine and leave you with the google logo then
[11:47] <ogra_> (and adb)
[11:49] <didrocks> ogra_: hum, are you a nm expert?
[11:49] <didrocks> ogra_: I guess I need network and connect to wifi without any ui :p
[11:50] <ogra_> oh,. you flashed with --no-backup ?
[11:50] <ogra_> try phablet-network
[11:51] <ogra_> (with the phone connedcted to a lappie)
[11:51] <didrocks> ogra_: trusting you, launching random commands :)
[11:51] <didrocks> ogra_: I didn't use --no-backup, it's just nm didn't come up
[11:51] <ogra_> oh
[11:52] <didrocks> Network setup complete
[11:53] <didrocks> # ifconfig
[11:53] <didrocks> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[11:53] <didrocks> and only lo
[11:53] <didrocks> Network connection failed to become active.
[11:53] <didrocks> ah :)
[11:53] <didrocks> ok, starting the process by hand
[11:53] <didrocks> good :)
[11:53] <ogra_> works ?
[11:53] <didrocks> yep :)
[11:54] <ogra_> good
[11:54] <didrocks> nice trick, thanks ogra
[11:54]  * didrocks apt-get source and try
[12:16] <didrocks> ogra_: did you just try sudo start unity8?
[12:18] <ogra_> hmm, no
[12:19] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo start unity8
[12:19] <ogra_> [sudo] password for phablet:
[12:19] <ogra_> start: Unknown job: unity8
[12:19] <ogra_> heh
[12:19] <ogra_> falls back to the system init it seems
[12:19] <didrocks> ogra_: you do you start those upstart jobs?
[12:20] <didrocks> ogra_: just so that I'm running the same way as you, how did you start it?
[12:20] <didrocks> you just look at usptart logs?
[12:21] <didrocks> hum, I'm not even getting to the user session (there is no .local/.cache)
[12:21] <ogra_> sudo -i phablet -i
[12:21] <ogra_> start unity8
[12:21] <ogra_> thats all i do
[12:22] <ogra_> and then check the upstart log
[12:22] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, I have no session started
[12:22] <ogra_> (or see it come up)
[12:22] <didrocks> # sudo -i phablet -i
[12:22] <didrocks> initctl: unable to determine sessions
[12:22] <ogra_> oh weird
[12:22] <didrocks> and no .*
[12:22] <ogra_> so try starting lightdm first
[12:22] <ogra_> as root
[12:23] <didrocks> still the same :/
[12:23] <didrocks> (but lightdm started)
[12:24] <didrocks> ogra_: so, for you, the session did start at least?
[12:24] <ogra_> lightdm did apparently
[12:25] <ogra_> (upstart claimed it was running when i tried to start it)
[12:25] <ogra_> instead of poking around manually, did you just try a reboot with the rebuilt packages ?
[12:26] <xnox> didrocks: where are you testing unity from? such that I can check which boost's it's using.
[12:26] <xnox> didrocks: and if needed revert those r-deps to boost1.53 until we know it works.
[12:26] <didrocks> xnox: I guess there is another issue TBH
[12:27] <didrocks> xnox: I started lightdm and not sure I have a seat
[12:27] <xnox> didrocks: that can't be good =/
[12:27] <ogra_> didrocks, the log should tell you
[12:28] <didrocks> # less /var/log/upstart/systemd-logind.log
[12:28] <didrocks> New session c3 of user phablet.
[12:28] <didrocks> so, I have one
[12:28] <ogra_> [+0.34s] DEBUG: Seat: Session authenticated, running command
[12:28] <ogra_> [+0.34s] DEBUG: Registering session with bus path /org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
[12:28] <ogra_> [+0.35s] DEBUG: Session pid=884: Running command /usr/sbin/lightdm-session ubuntu-touch-session
[12:28] <ogra_> [+0.36s] DEBUG: Session pid=884: Logging to .xsession-errors
[12:28] <didrocks> but no user session started it seems
[12:28] <ogra_> tail /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log
[12:28] <ogra_> (is what that was)
[12:28]  * ogra_ wonders if he sees an old log
[12:29] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls -l  /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log
[12:29] <ogra_> -rw------- 1 root root 1713 Oct 22 13:27 /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log
[12:29] <ogra_> no, that was about the time i flashed
[12:29] <ogra_> so its from the current session (i didnt reboot yet)
[12:29] <didrocks> xnox: it's image 2 in trusty-proposed btw
[12:29] <xnox> didrocks: ack, let me flash that.
[12:30] <didrocks> thanks
[12:55]  * mlankhorst pokes alf_ with a testing stick
[12:55] <alf_> mlankhorst: it works fine so far :)
[12:56] <alan_g> alf_: is that nested+gbm?
[12:57] <alf_> alan_g: yes
[12:57] <alan_g> Progress! \o/
[13:07] <mlankhorst> thought so
[13:08] <mlankhorst> the lookup extension to lookup a bo from inside the screen context is still broken, but I have no idea where it's used
[13:13] <mlankhorst> EGLImageTargetTexture2D, EGLImageTargetRenderbufferStorage probably
[13:15] <mhall119> tvoss: should I remove all libhybris-* packages?
[13:15] <tvoss> mhall119, yup, ideally
[13:15] <mhall119> ok
[13:21] <mlankhorst> hm probably not
[13:53] <alan_g> alf_: raii fixed. ;) (tvoss spotted the obvious error)
[13:53] <tvoss> alan_g, \o/
[13:55] <alf_> alan_g: tvoss: great!
[15:22] <mterry> alf_, hello!  You're working on nested Mir mode?
[15:32] <mterry> whoops, got disconnected.  alf_, if you replied I missed it.
[15:33] <alan_g> mterry: you didn't and he is
[15:33] <mterry> alan_g, cool, I have things to discuss then, when he gets back
[15:33]  * mterry is paranoid with this bad connection
[15:34] <ogra_> time that we get reliable tethering with ubuntu phone ;)
[15:34] <mterry> Heh
[17:31] <dandrader> racarr, ping
[18:28] <kgunn> dandrader: what did you need ?
[18:30] <dandrader> kgunn, talk about https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/mir/uniqueTouchIds/+merge/191695/comments/441723
[18:31] <kgunn> dandrader: ah...kind a need racarr for that
[18:38] <racarr> Hi....yes sorry
[18:38] <racarr> Kind of sick
[18:38] <racarr> *stares blankly at screen*
[18:47] <dandrader> racarr, so, wanna have a chat about that branch?
[18:51] <racarr> dandrader: Not now....sorry the longer I stay out of bed the more sick I am feeling and I think I am going
[18:51] <racarr> back to rest
[18:51] <dandrader> racarr, ok, np