[06:03] <OvenWerks> Unit193: has anyone tested the latest core ISO?
[06:04] <Unit193> amd64 or i386?  Yes to i386, and I'm sure I did live on both, UEFI and BIOS for amd64.
[06:05] <OvenWerks> Unit193: I get a recursive partition table message when I look at the USB stick after dd ing the ISO to it
[06:05] <OvenWerks> 64 bit
[06:07] <Unit193> Didn't dd it, but it looks fine..
[06:07] <OvenWerks> Hmm.
[06:07] <OvenWerks> I have tried two different sticks
[06:08] <Unit193> Mmm.
[06:10] <OvenWerks> Maybe I will look at it tomorrow again and try the 32 bit
[06:58] <OvenWerks> Unit193: 32 bit works... boots anyway. disk check shows errors on this one too, but it doesn't hang.
[06:59] <Unit193> What errors?
[06:59] <OvenWerks> two of the checksums don't
[07:00] <OvenWerks> (check)
[07:01] <OvenWerks> Sorry it must be late, using the diskcheck on the bootscreen. There are two checksum errors.
[07:02] <OvenWerks> There are two errors for both the 64bit and 32 bit, but the 32 bit boots all the way. The 64 bit hangs with an I can't find this partition to mount kind of error
[07:05] <OvenWerks> Both have partitions that parted doesn't know what to do with. I am using dd if=dist.ISO of=/dev/sdd to write to the USB stick. This seems to work fine with the ubuntustudio ISOs.
[07:12]  * Unit193 tries something.
[07:13] <elfy> it worked !!!
[07:13] <OvenWerks> Unit193: no slide show :)
[07:13] <Unit193> Yep.
[07:13] <elfy> where is this iso then ...
[07:16] <OvenWerks> elfy: it is  on ... I can't go look the core ISO has no browser... Unit193's site
[07:21] <OvenWerks> I'll be back in a bit... reboot
[07:27] <Unit193> elfy: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/  though, still trying something.
[07:29] <elfy> Unit193: okey doke
[07:40] <OvenWerks> Install of the 32 bit ISO is fine.
[07:44] <Unit193> Crap.
[07:45] <OvenWerks> how so?
[07:47] <Unit193> Problem with the 64bit right?  Lets change something with the 64bit build then test it by building a 32bit iso!  Noo.  Well, it's (re)starting now, but I need to go as I have an early morning and it's nearly 4am.
[07:47] <OvenWerks> No problem, I have enough to work with. I will play with the 32 bit version for now
[07:48] <Unit193> OvenWerks: Checksum issues, one at least should be fixed.
[07:48] <Unit193> Other one I may have to change permissions on a file, but would prefer not to of course.
[07:49] <OvenWerks> I will try again tomorrow then.
[07:49] <Unit193> (The md5sum file was added to files to check...)
[08:50] <Unit193> On the bright side, the amd64 image looks better.
[11:32] <bluesabre> good morning folks
[11:35] <Unit193> No.
[11:42] <bluesabre> okthxbai
[11:43] <brainwash> "Will 4.12 be coming to Trusty?"
[11:43] <bluesabre> "No."
[11:47] <brainwash> not sure if I should quote that
[11:47] <brainwash> bug 1347272
[11:50] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hello.
[12:29] <brainwash> bluesabre: will you comment on that report?
[12:29] <brainwash> not that we want people give hope of backporting any of the fixes
[18:59] <brainwash> bluesabre: bug 1441460
[18:59] <brainwash> the reporter claims that one light-locker option is not persistent
[22:16] <Unit193> elfy: Not that you're here, but where did it ask for the pass?  LightDM was good for me, sudo too, and shutdown.
[22:16] <Unit193> (Well, the act of starting to shutdown.)
[23:34] <bluesabre> hey guys, sorry, internet went outish earlier and then I went out to town
[23:37] <bluesabre> the official quote that brainwash can use is https://twitter.com/bluesabredavis/status/570387123024433152
[23:38] <bluesabre> for bug 1347272, I thought that we had gone through and resolved the issue for every app, need to take a look
[23:52] <bluesabre> Also commented on1441460
[23:52] <bluesabre> bug 1441460


[03:24] <wgrant> cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/git-import-test is running happily now.
[23:04]  * wgrant tries to get https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/git-import-test to scan.


[05:27] <Kilos> o/
[06:03] <anton_may> 0/
[06:07] <chesedo> morning all
[06:58] <Kilos> lots of farm work today guys so be good
[06:58] <Kilos> ill pop in every now and again
[07:17] <Squirm> Morning
[07:49] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[08:38] <inetpro> good evening
[10:05] <skokkk> skokkk test
[10:18] <theblazehen> welcome skokkk
[10:20] <skokkk> lo
[10:30] <magespawn> good day
[10:30] <inetpro> wb magespawn
[10:30] <inetpro> is it dinner time yet?
[10:31] <magespawn> not yet, at least not here
[10:56] <inetpro> hmm... in that case, let me get working again
[12:19] <pavlushka> Hello everyone!
[13:23] <magespawn> brb
[13:52] <inetpro> Making Music on Ubuntu Studio http://zequence.net/making-music-on-ubuntu-studio-prologue/
[13:52] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe something interesting for your daughter? ^^
[14:24]  * pavlushka laughs (Hi inetpro)
[14:24] <inetpro> pavlushka: eh
[14:25] <pavlushka> inetpro: in a good mood today I think, :p
[14:26] <pavlushka> will obviously listen to that music but brb, Chao
[15:08] <magespawn> so back again
[15:11] <theblazehen> wb magespawn
[15:52] <magespawn> home time,later all
[15:54] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[15:54] <Kilos> evening all
[15:58]  * Kilos very tired
[16:57] <gremble> Good evening
[17:24] <pavlushka-> Hello chesedo!
[17:26] <chesedo> hi pavlushka-
[18:20] <inetpro> wb pavlushka
[18:32] <pavlushka> Thanks!
[19:21] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:33] <inetpro> good night oom...
[20:19] <theblazehen> Bit late there inetpro
[20:19] <theblazehen> Night all
[20:58] <pavlushka> night!


[04:13] <hyperair> Sarvatt_: hey did you ever reproduce the kernel lockup i mentioned?
[07:06] <hyperair> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
[07:07] <hyperair> now all i have to do is swing around in slic3r's 3d view and my kernel hangs
[07:07] <hyperair> this is bullshit
[08:56] <Noskcaj> What are the current plans with wayland 1.6.93 packaging?
[09:03] <tjaalton> 1.7 will be released later this week
[09:03] <tjaalton> might just as well jump straight to that
[19:14] <Noskcaj> tjaalton, cool. I've got it packaged as part of ppa:ubuntu-gnome-packaging/shell-3.16, but i'm sure it's better for the x team to do the work


[00:34] <diddledan> *drool* http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/sx130
[00:34] <diddledan> that's a lot of server
[00:38] <daftykins> pricey pricey
[00:38] <daftykins> i'd rather that storage locally ;D
[00:38] <daftykins> my 5TB RAID5 is sooo full ;/
[00:38] <daftykins> 82GB left D:
[00:38] <diddledan> heh
[00:38] <diddledan> HDD FTW
[00:39] <jpds> daftykins: Surely you should be using Ceph.
[00:39] <daftykins> ?
[00:39] <jpds> ceph.com
[00:39] <diddledan> ceph?
[00:39] <diddledan> *click*
[00:40] <daftykins> *blinks*
[00:40] <diddledan> buzzwords
[00:40] <jpds> RAID was so... 5 years ago.
[00:40] <diddledan> what's it do?
[00:40] <diddledan> o_O
[00:41] <diddledan> IIRC most storage systems backend onto RAID
[00:41] <daftykins> that's handy since i put this one together 6 years ago ;D
[00:41] <diddledan> I can't imagine amazon not using RAID for e.g.
[00:42] <diddledan> if "ceph replaces raid" then how does it do the job better?
[00:43] <jpds> I was partially joking around. ;-)
[00:44] <jpds> You would only use Ceph if you want to "build a SAN out of commodity hardware"
[00:44] <diddledan> o_o
[00:45] <jpds> diddledan: You've clearly not seen it in action.
[00:45] <diddledan> nope
[00:45] <diddledan> is there an easy intro video anywhere I can watch without having to think?
[00:45] <diddledan> (it's late!)
[00:46] <jpds> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyH1C0C4HzM looks legit.
[00:46] <jpds> Never watched it.
[00:48] <jpds> Actually, looks really well done.
[00:49] <diddledan> lol, it's fun actually
[00:49] <diddledan> "giant spendy computer"
[00:52] <jpds> diddledan: But yeah, Ceph's been the hot thing in storage for the last couple of years.
[00:52] <diddledan> how does it compare to swift from openstack?
[00:53] <jpds> diddledan: Swift only does object storage.
[00:53] <diddledan> (swift seems to be an integral part of openstack)
[00:53] <diddledan> aah
[00:53] <jpds> diddledan: Ceph does object, block and a filesystem.
[00:53] <diddledan> I'm oldskool - I like filesystem access methods
[00:54] <jpds> But yeah, ceph can replace swift for openstack.
[01:08] <jpds> diddledan: Thoughts?
[01:08] <diddledan> interesting
[01:11] <diddledan> I'm wondering whether it's of use on small-scale - i.e. 1-3 servers
[01:11] <jpds> You need at least 3 servers for Ceph.
[01:12] <jpds> Because of the voting between monitoring servers.
[01:12] <jpds> But yeah, at that point you'll have "network RAID" across the servers' disks.
[02:19] <diddledan> playing with juju - you can seriously ramp-up some costs if you're not careful
[04:25]  * jussi waves to the Channel
[04:35] <MartijnVdS> ~~~~~
[04:54]  * nigelb waves back to jussi
[05:45] <mapp> morning
[05:49] <MooDoo> morning all
[05:53] <mapp> morning
[05:59] <Myrtti> blaa
[06:01]  * MooDoo hugs Myrtti
[06:02] <Myrtti> my sister was in UK and over our place and inlaws for the first time, she's just left for the airport
[06:02] <Myrtti> I feel exhausted
[06:04] <mapp> urgh gotta phone sky
[06:05] <diddledan> mapp: they done something wrong, or you just fancy a chinwag?
[06:07] <mapp> well
[06:07] <mapp> ive switched from o2 broadband to sky as sky bought o2 and had a letter a year ago
[06:07] <mapp> but nothing since
[06:07] <mapp> no detals of price/package etc...and its niw switched
[06:07] <mapp> if i leave it i can imagine it'll be more hassle
[06:07] <MooDoo> I phoned them the other day to cancel movies, seemed to go ok.
[06:10] <mapp> camt even find the price
[06:10] <mapp> for without a phoneline
[06:10] <mapp> im with bt
[06:12] <MooDoo> I was thinking about bt but I'd need a phoneline and infinity isn't in my area yet.
[06:21] <whowhat> @seek python
[06:22] <diddledan> whowhat: python: yeah, it's around here someplace
[06:23] <diddledan> well that was.. random
[06:24] <MooDoo> @seek thenextlotterynumbers
[06:24] <MooDoo> come on diddledan hurry up answer me ;)
[06:24] <diddledan> MooDoo: thenextlotterynumbers: I'm sorry, but future-gazing is beyond my remit
[06:25] <MooDoo> diddledan: go on amuse me give me 7 numbers
[06:25] <diddledan> 6**
[06:25] <diddledan> they pull 7 out of the machine but you're only allowed to pick 6
[06:25] <MooDoo> diddledan: was going to buy a euromillions with your numbers then
[06:25] <diddledan> oh euro
[06:25] <MooDoo> 5 numbers between 1 - 50
[06:25] <diddledan> meh
[06:26] <MooDoo> and 2 between 1 - 11
[06:26] <diddledan> yeah the eurobajillions throws a spanner in the works
[06:26] <MooDoo> diddledan: pah would of given you a million then if it's have won with your numbers, lucky dip it is then
[06:26] <diddledan> licky dip is tasty
[07:00] <diplo> Morning all
[07:01] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[07:26] <mapp> result
[07:26] <mapp> found a train thats not a ripoff and before midday:D
[07:27] <mapp> 06;16 gets me back at 07;45 £56
[07:27] <mapp> next ones £109 :|
[07:27] <MooDoo> huzzah! when's that for?
[07:28] <mapp> next monday/tuesday
[07:28] <mapp> going on monday but cant make the last train
[07:28] <mapp> or im not confident i can basically
[07:28] <mapp> i could buy a ticket for the last train 22;50 - but im not sure il make it unless i leave early
[07:29] <mapp> bit annoying cant take my laptop or anything..nowhere to leave them
[07:36] <MooDoo> mapp: work trip or pleasure?
[07:39] <mapp> going to WHL
[07:39] <mapp> :d
[07:40] <MooDoo> western hockey league? lol
[07:52] <mapp> WHITE HART LANE
[07:52] <MooDoo> cricket right?
[07:52] <MooDoo> ;)
[07:55] <mapp> LOL
[07:55] <mapp> spurs v sunderland
[08:04] <bashrc_> morning ubuntuers
[08:09] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:10] <jussi> mapp: who are you supporting?
[08:11] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Reconciliation Day! :-D
[08:12] <mapp> spurs
[08:13] <mapp> gah my machine's so noisy atm
[08:13] <mapp> when its compiling etc its so loud
[08:13] <mapp> but its not doing anything atm from what top shows
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> maybe you're just hot? ;)
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> and it's trying to be cool
[08:13] <jussi> mapp: so you had a good weekend last weekend then :P
[08:14] <mapp> hahaha yes 4-0 liverpool
[08:14] <mapp> lol
[08:16] <jussi> < - Liverpool Supporter
[08:16] <mapp> :)
[08:17] <jussi> mapp: what do you think, will Liverpool win the league ? :D
[08:17] <mapp> yes
[08:17] <mapp> im going to united v sunderland
[08:17] <mapp> and united v hull too
[08:17] <mapp> in manchester..which is much easier for me
[08:17] <mapp> i can get a taxi home if i miss last train:D
[08:18] <mapp> diddledan how often does your ip change?
[08:18] <mapp> mines changed 3x in a week and i never turn my router off
[08:18] <mapp> my previous ip i had for like 6 years;/
[08:18] <mapp> <IP_ADDRESS> :D
[08:19] <DJones> Ouch, wonder what the repair bill was for this car accident https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kfS8iz2NaLE
[08:23] <MooDoo> mapp: mine rarely changes, just a couple of times a week
[08:23] <diddledan> mapp: I've just requested sky give me a static one - how long it'll be before they actually do is another matter tho
[08:24] <mapp> h,
[08:24] <mapp> hm
[08:24] <mapp> can you do that?!
[08:24] <mapp> im using noip and the noip linux cient which is handy
[08:24] <mapp> but i do likehaving a static ip
[08:25] <DJones> diddledan: I didn't think Sky did static ip's
[08:25] <diddledan> DJones: it's new
[08:26] <DJones> INteresting
[08:26] <diddledan> part of sky's attempt to retain bethere.co.uk users since they merged
[08:27] <foobarry> morning kids
[08:27] <diddledan> they're also planning on introducing DSL line profiles, again for the hardcore bethere users
[08:27] <mapp> were you with bethere diddledan?
[08:27] <diddledan> nope
[08:27] <mapp> how do i request a static ip?
[08:27] <mapp> also what do you mean DSL line profiles
[08:28] <diddledan> https://mysky.sky.com/mysky/profilesettings/pro-broadband-settings
[08:28] <diddledan> they refer to line profile thingy as "line profile customisation"
[08:29] <mapp> whats that even mean:Z
[08:29] <mapp> sparkys still on bethere eh
[08:30] <diddledan> line profile customisation is usually switching the dsl properties to get the lowest latency for gaming
[08:31] <diddledan> ... at the risk of having a less-stable connection
[08:31] <mapp> aha
[08:40] <foobarry> popey: as predicted, seen news that wales may ban e-fags in enclosed public spaces
[08:41] <popey> interesting
[08:43] <MooDoo> popey: did you watch jono's q&a last night, bad jono doesn't like you :D
[08:43] <jussi> ok, spicy prawn ramen gone... now for butterscotch pie :D
[08:49] <jussi> Ive not made butterscitch pie before, but this one worked amazingly :D
[08:51] <popey> MooDoo: no..what?
[08:52] <popey> link me to the mins
[08:55] <diddledan> he had a dig at the GPL too
[08:56] <diddledan> I came in right at the last minute tho, so I missed most of the rant
[08:56] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mojmJ_MpBM was the best joke from yesterday
[08:57] <ali1234> and the only one that was actually entertaining at all
[08:57] <MooDoo> popey: it was jono's april fool gag, he was leaving open source, bad mouthing ubuntu, moving to windows 98, the only thing he liked about his team was one of your collegues luxurious hair, it was awesome :D
[08:59] <MooDoo> popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlYk4RlOnJY is the link to the q&a but I don't have the time where he mentions his team lol
[09:02] <popey> ali1234: i dont get it ☻
[09:02] <ali1234> well you have to have watched his old videos
[09:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:08] <neuro> so wait
[09:09] <bashrc> morning
[09:09] <neuro> "Sky Unlimited Pro" users, who are ex-Be and ex-O2 users, get the option of a static IP
[09:09] <neuro> but "Sky Unlimited Fibre Pro" users, who are on 80/20 FTTC, don't?
[09:10] <neuro> s/Unlimited Fibre/Fibre Unlimited/
[09:15] <bashrc> static IP must surely be a rare commodity, unless its IPv6
[09:16] <neuro> it's a rare commodity if you're trying to get a new allocation
[09:17] <neuro> if you're Sky, who have absorbed various networks' allocations, including Avatar/Be/O2's, it's not a big deal
[09:18] <neuro> and any kind of unused IPv4 is a rare thing, not just statically assigned ones
[09:19] <neuro> if you have 1 million customers, you still need 1 million IPs, unless you're stupid (or very sure of your customer usage patterns) and underprovision
[09:19] <neuro> i don't understand all the apprehension from be users
[09:20] <neuro> i switched from be to sky before they were even bought
[09:20] <neuro> all i miss are the static IPs, and then even not so much
[09:21] <neuro> i get on fine with dynamic dns and v6 tunnels
[09:21] <neuro> once i figured out how to make pfsense tell he.net what my IP was :D
[09:27] <codecowboy> Hi. Is there a way to list sftp-server enabled user in Ubuntu from command line?
[09:27] <codecowboy> user = users ^^
[09:28] <neuro> iirc any user with a valid shell can potentially do sftp
[09:28] <neuro> although your sshd config may vary
[09:37] <BigRedS__> yeah, how you do it depends on how you've configured your sshd
[09:37] <BigRedS__> in general, anyone with a valid shell can do sftp
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> valid shell *and credentials*
[09:38] <BigRedS__> oh yeah
[09:43] <foobarry> so...windows. choose hibernate, does nothing. looks the screen
[09:44] <foobarry> chose shutdown and now 61 updates getting installed..no warning :( i'm in a rush too
[09:44] <BigRedS__> All the cool OSes have stopped supporting hibernate anyway
[09:45] <BigRedS__> oh, right
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: there's usually a warning on the shutdown button, it has a yellow thingy next to it
[09:46] <foobarry> doesn't seem to be
[09:49] <codecowboy> BigRedS__neuro thanks
[10:09] <diddledan> I think that's my static IP just been applied
[10:09] <MooDoo> diddledan: nice :D
[10:10] <diddledan> had to force my non-sky router to request the dhcp for it to work
[10:10] <diddledan> re-request**
[10:10] <diddledan> it just so happened that the connection disappeared (removal of old IP, I guess) at the same time I logged-out and back-in on my laptop
[10:11] <diddledan> so I was confuddled for a moment
[10:11] <diddledan> thinking I'd broken my laptop
[10:13] <bigcalm> Speaking of laptops, I don't think I've been able to use the eth port on mine yet. Tried a couple of times, found it didn't work so reverted to wifi but never followed it up.
[10:16] <foobarry> bigcalm: win or lin?
[10:17] <bigcalm> Ubuntu 14.04
[10:17] <bigcalm> I have a feeling that it'll be drivers
[10:17] <MooDoo> bigcalm: I must admit I used mine for the first time the other night with though ethernet over power adapters I have....
[10:17] <foobarry> does ifconfig eth0 show it?
[10:17] <bigcalm> foobarry: don't know, not in front of my laptop at the moment
[10:21] <foobarry> i struggle to remember if kazam is called kazam or shazam
[10:21] <MooDoo> foobarry: file sharing?  wasn't is kazaam? two a's?
[10:21] <popey> screencasting, kazam
[10:21] <popey> !info kazam
[10:22] <MooDoo> ah I was thinking of Kazaa
[10:22] <foobarry> kazoo, yazoo
[10:22] <foobarry> yazz, tizer, tizwas
[10:28] <MooDoo> the phantom flan flinger
[10:29] <jussi> bazoo
[10:33] <foobarry> banjo kazooie
[10:36] <diddledan> bonza bongos?
[10:36] <jussi> beechcraft bonanza?
[10:36] <diddledan> sorry, family friendly!
[10:36] <MooDoo> Yo're all nuts
[10:36] <jussi> MooDoo: tell us something we werent aware of...
[10:37] <diddledan> MooDoo: was there a point?
[10:37] <MooDoo> nah just stating the obvious.....Anyone apart from me, popey et al going on the RAT in august?
[10:37] <foobarry> bonza bongos is a future ubuntu release
[10:37] <diddledan> lol
[10:38] <diddledan> foobarry: alternatively bonza badonkadonks
[10:38] <popey> !rat
[10:38] <diddledan> rats!
[10:38] <popey> MooDoo: that link shows who is going
[10:38] <MooDoo> o/
[10:47]  * bigcalm wonders if he has met Paul Mellors
[10:47] <MooDoo> bigcalm: you can't miss me, I'm rather tall
[10:47] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:47] <foobarry> anyone know of an issue where ubuntu fails to recognise a raid5 , and calls it raid45 instead?
[10:47] <bigcalm> MooDoo: That's the problem with IRC nicks that aren't real names
[10:47] <foobarry> cannot install ubuntu properly
[10:48] <foobarry> because it mis-detects the disk
[10:48] <MooDoo> bigcalm: you could of met me if you went to the lug radio live event in wolverhampton many moons ago
[10:48] <Laney> bah, need ssd
[10:48] <Laney> or maybe to remove windows
[10:48] <MooDoo> ssd ftw o/
[10:48] <Laney> current one is full
[10:48] <bigcalm> MooDoo: I went to the very last lug radio live and have been to all of the oggcamps
[10:48] <Laney> don't think i've booted windows this year actually
[10:48] <popey> i removed windows from my second ssd
[10:48] <popey> so now I have / on one ssd, and /home on the other
[10:49] <popey> which is a touch excessive
[10:49] <Laney> it's annoying having to clean stuff up every other day
[10:49] <MooDoo> bigcalm: probably not then, was supposed to fo to the last few oggcamps, but fate didn't allow me too :(
[10:49] <popey> yeah, thats what motivatred me to do it
[10:49] <Laney> yeah i've got a lot of rust for bulky stuff
[10:49] <popey> /dev/sdb1 on / type btrfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime)
[10:49] <popey> /dev/sda1 on /home type btrfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime)
[10:49] <popey> \o/
[10:49] <bigcalm> Oh, I tell a lie. I didn't go to last year's oggcamp.  ah, no, I haven't. OK.
[14:50] <neuro> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/canonical-axe-ubuntu-one-file-music-services-grab-data-now
[14:54] <popey> "now" or any time up to 31st July
[14:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: I think the secret is to stop playing with it :P
[14:55] <popey> i see he changed the title, kept the url
[14:55] <bashrc> ubuntu one? dead?
[14:55] <neuro> not yet
[14:55] <neuro> but it's in the post
[14:56] <neuro> can't buy music or additional space as of today
[14:56] <neuro> features disabled on june 1st
[14:56] <neuro> files deleted and service shuttered july 31st
[14:56] <neuro> according to d00d
[14:56] <bashrc> well, that's a surprise
[14:57] <bashrc> but having said that I never used ubuntu one much
[14:58] <neuro> me either
[14:58] <neuro> never did like the UI
[14:58] <neuro> but nautilus and backup integration was nice
[14:59] <bashrc> "February past saw an extended period of outage. It says something that this went, for the first week or so, largely, unnoticed."
[14:59] <neuro> huh, i *do* have it installed ...
[15:04] <neuro> ... and it's not connecting.
[15:04] <diddledan> davmor2: I was told I'd go blind if I didn't stop playing with it
[15:04] <neuro> oh, here we go
[15:10] <neuro> ah, here's the official word
[15:10] <neuro> https://one.ubuntu.com/services/shutdown/
[15:10] <neuro> http://blog.canonical.com/2014/04/02/shutting-down-ubuntu-one-file-services/
[15:32] <foobarry> u1 is closing?
[15:32] <foobarry> fail
[15:34] <foobarry> who is offering free storage of 25-50gb?
[15:37] <directhex> box.net
[15:38] <popey> copy.com ?
[15:39] <foobarry> box.net sucks though
[15:39] <foobarry> sftp is 1kb/s , no desktop app,
[15:39] <foobarry> looks like dropbox has won
[15:40] <bashrc> the main reason why I didn't use ubuntu one much was that I had my own server, so it's easy to use sshfs and so on
[15:40] <foobarry> i worry about owncloud becoming pwncloud
[15:41] <neuro> free?
[15:41] <bashrc> why so?
[15:41] <neuro> pffff
[15:41] <bigcalm> My desk phone thinks that it's 21:38 \o/
[15:41] <neuro> dropbox is 2G for free, 100G for $9.99/mo
[15:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: time you knocked off then surely
[15:41] <neuro> google drive is 15G for free, 100G for $1.99/mo
[15:41] <foobarry> having to administer your own cloud server ..what happens if major bug and you're on holiday
[15:41] <foobarry> or really busy
[15:42] <foobarry> google drive has a linux cilent?
[15:42] <neuro> foobarry: then you shouldn't be administering your own cloud server
[15:42] <foobarry> "foobarry> i worry about owncloud becoming pwncloud   "
[15:42] <foobarry> exactly
[15:42] <davmor2> foobarry: you can have a cloud server or a holiday not both
[15:42] <foobarry> yep
[16:16] <diddledan> has anybody explained the process that canonical were using to build maguro touch images yet?
[16:16] <diddledan> (galaxy nexus)
[16:26]  * bigcalm now has a fully working SIP set-up for the 3 remote offices
[16:27] <bigcalm> All that's left is to get our 0845 number ported from the existing provider
[16:27] <brobostigon> :)
[16:29] <diddledan> bigcalm: well done!
[16:29] <bigcalm> Ta :)
[16:30] <diddledan> SIP is a magical black box to me
[16:30] <bigcalm> I did the research, boss chose the company, I set up our account using their web interface
[16:30] <bigcalm> Everything just works(tm)
[16:35] <daftykins> and when there's a power cut...? :)
[16:37] <bigcalm> Then I won't get customer calls \o/
[16:37] <bigcalm> No lose situation
[16:37] <popey> i thought you had a ups
[16:38] <bigcalm> Shh
[16:38] <bigcalm> Currently the desk phone isn't plugged into it
[16:38] <bigcalm> So in that instance, only my desktop client and mobile will ring
[16:38] <bigcalm> Humm...
[16:39] <bigcalm> It's nice that I can log into 3 devices with the same account
[16:41]  * brobostigon highlights its world autism awareness day, today.
[16:46] <bigcalm> Maybe I should have bought a switch that does PoE
[16:55]  * bigcalm ponders the SGS5 for his next handset (assuming that t-mobile won't be offering the Nexus 5)
[17:25] <daftykins> why not just go SIM only so you can have whatever phone you want? :)
[17:25] <daftykins> Samsungs come with so much tosh these days
[17:26] <daftykins> it's like setting up a new Windows laptop with a fresh install, almost, to disable it all ;)
[17:28] <brobostigon> nexus, :)
[17:28] <brobostigon> or gpe.
[17:29] <bigcalm> daftykins: because I prefer to have a handset from a contract
[17:30] <daftykins> fair enough
[17:30] <bigcalm> Quite like my SGS3
[17:30] <daftykins> still an alien world to me, that
[17:49] <neuro> contract phone = mad
[17:52] <ali1234> yeah why would anyone want to pay 15% less? madness
[17:54] <directhex> contract phones can have a lower TCO over 2 years than separate phone and contract
[17:54] <directhex> and additionally, you don't need £300+ up front
[17:55] <ali1234> yes, 15% less according to my calculations
[17:58] <ali1234> if you factor in the interest free load then you don't even need to go 24 months to make it cheaper
[17:59] <directhex> it's model- and network-dependant
[18:00] <neuro> ali1234: show your workings then :)
[18:01] <ali1234> neuro: an example int he comments on this post: https://plus.google.com/117474986382867317779/posts/byCeLFpoCpS
[18:07] <neuro> do you know what your savings get you?
[18:07] <neuro> lack of flexibility
[18:08] <ali1234> the sim only option is still 12 month minimum
[18:08] <neuro> and if you're not savvy, you'll still end up paying that same high contract cost after the contract has ended
[18:08] <neuro> eh?
[18:08] <SuperEngineer> neuro: or.... more money -this can be important to those of us who understand the value of money
[18:09] <neuro> SuperEngineer: you're saying i don't understand the value of money?
[18:09] <neuro> ali1234: what are you talking about?
[18:10] <SuperEngineer> e.g. daughter is now currently saving a fortune... she has ebnough of a brain to mix and match until she got the right deal
[18:10] <ali1234> the sim only option i used to calculate the price difference has a minimum term of 12 months
[18:10] <ali1234> i would have used the 24 month equivalent, but they don't have one
[18:10] <neuro> so?
[18:10] <neuro> there are other sim only options
[18:10] <neuro> so you can rock out of your 30 day rolling if a better deal comes along
[18:10] <ali1234> yeah, you can have a 1 month term, but it is even more expensive
[18:10] <neuro> not that much
[18:11] <neuro> 3 One Plan is £72 more expensive over 2 years
[18:11] <ali1234> £48 over 24 months
[18:11] <neuro> and that's an epic tariff
[18:11] <ali1234> that's like an extra 5% on top
[18:11] <SuperEngineer> me... I really don't care - firm supplies a phone which they feel to phone me on even when I'm on leave [now]
[18:11] <neuro> i'd rather buy outright so i have a measure of flexibility
[18:11] <SuperEngineer> ...I therefore feee free to use it for my own phone and onlyt phone
[18:12] <ali1234> factor in the free credit you;re getting and it's more like 25%
[18:12] <neuro> which is what i did
[18:12] <ali1234> if you're not savvy you're going to get screwed no matter what
[18:12] <ali1234> such is life
[18:12]  * neuro idly strokes nearby iPhone 5s
[18:12] <neuro> plus the hassle of unlocking when your contract is over if you decide to move
[18:13] <ali1234> no hassle at all. you ring them up and get a code and it's done
[18:13] <neuro> ha
[18:13]  * SuperEngineer idly strokes firms firm set to ignore all firm's calls and act only for friends and family ;)
[18:13] <ali1234> or you just get a new subsidised phone with a new contract
[18:13] <neuro> ew
[18:14] <neuro> "hello phone network, please lock me into your service and this what-will-be-a-crappy-handset-halfway-through-the-contract phone for the next $LARGE_PROPORTION_OF_MY_LIFE months, ta"
[18:14] <SuperEngineer> *phone
[18:14] <neuro> i'm so done with that
[18:15] <ali1234> you are in no way locked in to the handset
[18:15] <ali1234> you can buy a new one and use it any time you want
[18:15] <ali1234> you still have to pay for the old one either way
[18:15] <neuro> so you buy a new phone
[18:15] <neuro> but you're still locked into the more expensive tariff
[18:16] <neuro> sorry, i just prefer the concept of divorcing the handset from the operator
[18:16] <ali1234> yes, you are still locked in to a credit arrangement for the product you bought
[18:16] <bigcalm> Maybe I should ditch Android and get an iPhone
[18:16] <ali1234> you will still end up paying less
[18:17] <neuro> it's like saying you're happy to get a cheaper car that only takes petrol from tesco, and you can only ever fill up at tesco
[18:17] <bigcalm> I only fill up at Tesco as it is
[18:17] <ali1234> no, it's like saying if you buy a phone on credit card you should be able to stop paying the CC bill after 6 months because you don't like the phone any more
[18:17] <neuro> bigcalm: you should ditch android and get an iphone, but of course, i *would* say that
[18:17] <neuro> ali1234: no, it's not
[18:18] <SuperEngineer> neuro: as long as you realise *they* are tracking you no matter what/how smart you think on a mobile device.... go with your own choice... all you're doing is choosing how much u want to pay GCHQ to track you.
[18:18] <neuro> SuperEngineer: errr, ok
[18:18] <SuperEngineer> *final*
[18:19] <ali1234> if you want a car analogy, it's like buying a car that comes with free petrol for 24 months and the petrol can be used in any car, but you still have to pay for the car you bought
[18:19] <neuro> nope
[18:19] <neuro> anyway
[18:19] <smittix> Evening all
[18:20] <neuro> is it?
[18:20] <neuro> evening?
[18:20] <neuro> jeez
[18:20] <smittix> heh
[18:20] <neuro> ali1234: something you're forgetting is that operators top load the tariffs on contract phones
[18:21] <neuro> if all you need is a couple of hundred minutes and light data, you'll probably not find that on a high end smartphone deal
[18:21] <neuro> or you will, but the up front will be greater
[18:22] <neuro> in other news, amazon have shipped my samsung evo ssd by royal mail!
[18:22] <neuro> and not the clowns at yodel \o/
[18:24] <neuro> so looking forward to this
[18:24] <neuro> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00E3W16OU
[18:25] <mapps> footie time in a bit
[18:25] <mapps> real madrid
[18:25] <mapps> :D
[18:25] <neuro> oh aye
[18:25] <mapps> yesh
[18:26] <mapps> i use works pictures laptop -> hdmi
[18:26] <mapps> and then put 2 games on
[18:26] <mapps> :)
[18:26] <neuro> lol
[18:26] <neuro> what, are you using sky go or something?
[18:26] <mapps> no
[18:26] <mapps> lol
[18:26] <mapps> cobain
[18:26] <neuro> which is?
[18:26] <mapps> now owned by perform group (sports streaming comany)
[18:26] <mapps> they provide streams to bookmakers
[18:26] <neuro> oh of course
[18:26] <neuro> just remembered what you do
[18:26] <neuro> :)
[18:26] <mapps> it costs like thousands per month
[18:27]  * neuro hates sky go
[18:27] <neuro> piece of silverlight rubbish
[18:27] <mapps> like my pictures were 6 sec ahead of my mate last week
[18:27] <mapps> and clearly no good for betting
[18:27] <mapps> sky that is
[18:28] <neuro> sky don't even support sky go on windows 8.x or OS X 10.8/9
[18:28] <mapps> lol
[18:28] <mapps> its embarassing
[18:28] <mapps> how we ge t faster feeds for prem games
[18:28] <neuro> yup
[18:28] <mapps> from foreign broadcasters
[18:28] <mapps> skys garbage
[18:28] <neuro> you're getting a raw feed, clearly
[18:28] <SuperEngineer> Windows 8.1 update will finally bring back the Start menu -looks like even Microsoft have realise what users actually want.
[18:28] <mapps> the tennis is REALLY bad though
[18:28] <mapps> like
[18:29] <mapps> bookies offer streaming free to punters on soccer/nba/horsies etc/tennis
[18:29] <mapps> and thats faster than sky for soccer/tennis
[18:29] <neuro> SuperEngineer: s/will finally bring/finally brought/ and it's not *the* Start menu
[18:30] <neuro> mapps: ye cannae break the laws o' physics
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> neuro: coorect - it's got proeet oiccies ofopen apps .. what a good idea... .........
[18:30] <mapps> i went into hills on my way to sainsburys earlier and lol
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> *piccies
[18:30] <mapps> i always feel sorry fo them
[18:30] <mapps> man and women..dunno if husband and wife
[18:30] <mapps> sitting there betting on EVERY race like 5 quid a time
[18:30] <mapps> even virtual racing
[18:30] <mapps> that = addicts
[18:31] <neuro> this is why i don't bet
[18:33] <mapps> im bad for it tbh
[18:33] <mapps> very bad
[18:34] <mapps> betb50 quid..lose..now i want that 50
[18:34] <mapps> even though at the time youre prepared to lose it kinda speak
[18:47] <foobarry> i just accidentally invoked the windows key shortcuts screen. forgot about that, also HUD..never use
[18:48] <smittix> Anyone have nVidia Optimus hardware?
[18:49] <Azelphur> smittix: yup
[18:49] <SuperEngineer> err herrmm; 'tis *not*  the windows key - 'tis the Super key
[18:49] <davmor2> smittix: yes thanks
[18:50] <smittix> davmor2: My battery life sucks.
[18:50] <davmor2> smittix: yes
[18:50] <foobarry> oh, copy.com has linux client, anyone used it?
[18:50] <smittix> davmor2: 15 minutes and it's gone from 100% to 76%
[18:51] <davmor2> smittix: Open nvidia-settings change the power mizer mode if that doesn't do anything change the Prime profile from nvidia to intel
[18:52] <smittix> davmor2: I don't have the nVidia drivers installed, I just installed Bumblebee?
[18:53] <davmor2> smittix: on what version of Ubuntu?
[18:54] <smittix> 13.10
[18:54] <smittix> What would you suggest I do?
[18:55] <davmor2> smittix: not a lot I can suggest have a read on bumble bee docs site and see if there is way to make intel the default
[19:25] <foobarry> how hard is this game 2048?
[19:25] <foobarry> spent 10 mins playing and wondering if its a massive time sink
[19:57] <smittix> davmor2: Ok, thanks anyway. Bumblebee seems to be working ok now. Battery is still rubbish though. I will have to live with it.
[20:17] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8i16eae5050qx8w/zelda.png
[20:17] <daftykins> ;D
[20:17] <daftykins> smittix: 14.04 and nvidia-prime might end up being better for you eventually
[20:17] <daftykins> assuming your BIOS has no control over the graphics setup (often they don't)
[20:18] <smittix> daftykins: That's good news then
[20:18] <smittix> daftykins: Fingers crossed!
[20:18] <smittix> I'm not too sure yet but I think I may have improved the battery life. It seems to be discharging a little slower.
[20:19] <daftykins> yeah if you've got bumblebee active i think it keeps the nvidia chip off until you opti-run something
[20:19] <daftykins> there may be even more ways to power it down completely, not sure
[20:20] <smittix> I just did a cat /proc/acpi/bbswitch and it's off so looking good at the minute
[20:20] <smittix> I have also set cpufreq to powersave.
[20:21] <smittix> Right, I'm off to watch the last walking dead. Thank's for the info you guys.
[22:37] <mapp> yo
[22:52] <mapp> hmm keep getting cutoff now im with sky
[22:53] <mapp> :|
[23:37] <diddledan> https://plus.google.com/events/c1ah7qch7j1h0e6613v1c94grbs <-- vint cerf talking to leo laporte
[23:40] <daftykins> argh that mic noise


[00:00] <DanaG> Rather, I need "newreloc", it seems.
[00:00] <DanaG> Maybe.
[00:01] <DanaG> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.grub.devel/16574
[00:09] <KillerKristin1> hi everyone
[00:09] <KillerKristin1> I gots a question
[00:09] <jjcm> Groovy
[00:09] <KillerKristin1> using Ubuntu 10.10 and I lost surround sound output on SB Xi-Fi and was wondering if there is a way to get it back?
[00:10] <KillerKristin1> it worked earlier today
[00:10] <KillerKristin1> after the upgrade
[00:10] <jjcm> Only surround sound, or all sound?
[00:10] <KillerKristin1> I was playing music
[00:10] <KillerKristin1> only surround
[00:10] <KillerKristin1> I have it set to Analog Output right now and it works
[00:10] <jjcm> hmmm
[00:10] <KillerKristin1> Surround worked fine on 10.04
[00:11] <KillerKristin1> i have a SB Xi-Fi Music
[00:11] <KillerKristin1> and strange thing is that the beep on startup worked
[00:12] <KillerKristin1> but not the startup sound
[00:13] <jjcm> KillerKristin1: Surround might just be muted then
[00:13] <jjcm> KillerKristin1: what's it say in alsamixer?
[00:15] <KillerKristin1> im guessing i stumped ya
[00:15] <KillerKristin1> :) its got me perplexed too
[00:15] <KillerKristin1> hmm
[00:15] <KillerKristin1> I got disconnected
[00:15] <KillerKristin1> is my chat showing?
[00:16] <KillerKristin1> got disconnected
[00:16] <KillerKristin1> hi all
[00:16] <jjcm> 23:13 < jjcm> KillerKristin1: Surround might just be muted then
[00:16] <jjcm> 23:13 < jjcm> KillerKristin1: what's it say in alsamixer?
[00:16] <jjcm> that was the last thing I sent over to you
[00:16] <KillerKristin1> what am I looking for
[00:17] <KillerKristin1> never used this terminal command before
[00:17] <KillerKristin1> its wierd looking
[00:18] <jjcm> KillerKristin1: ha, just look for a channel that says surround
[00:18] <KillerKristin1> it was all the down
[00:18] <jjcm> KillerKristin1: so bump it up
[00:18] <jjcm> KillerKristin1: and you should be good
[00:18] <KillerKristin1> i did but still no good
[00:18] <jjcm> make sure that it doesnt have a MM on it
[00:19] <jjcm> If there's an MM at the bottom, it means it's muted
[00:19] <jjcm> in which case just press m
[00:20] <KillerKristin1> ah
[00:20] <KillerKristin1> your a genius
[00:20] <KillerKristin1> PCM was all the down too
[00:20] <KillerKristin1> bumped it up and now it work
[00:20] <KillerKristin1> :)
[00:20] <jjcm> Enjoy
[00:21] <jjcm> Also, *you're
[00:21] <KillerKristin1> how do I quit alsamixer?  Can i just close the terminal?
[00:21] <jjcm> ctrl+c
[00:21] <KillerKristin1> thank you
[00:21] <KillerKristin1> :p fine you're a genius
[00:21] <KillerKristin1> hehe
[00:21] <jjcm> And now you know
[00:21] <jjcm> and knowing is half the battle
[00:21] <jjcm> (the other half being red lasers and blue lasers, at 25% each)
[00:22] <KillerKristin1> last time I tried to use alsamixer on I think 9.10 it said no such command
[00:22] <KillerKristin1> wierd
[00:22] <KillerKristin1> at least now I know what it is
[00:23] <KillerKristin1> I love the new rythmbox integration into the sound panel applet
[00:23] <KillerKristin1> so easy\
[00:46] <lucas-arg> any app to control bass and treble in maverik?
[01:08] <sometux> will gimp be shipped in ubuntu 10.10 final release?
[01:09] <sometux> I can't find gimp in the beta?
[01:11] <sometux> will u10.10 have an photo-editing app?
[01:14] <magedragon25> I am running lucid, want to upgrade to 10.10. I ran sudo update-manager -d. After is gets to calculating changes, I get an error. If i check the /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log, it says Can't mark ubuntu-desktop. Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. Any help with this?
[01:18] <yofel> sometux: we have gimp 2.6.10 in the archive, but it won't be on the live disk
[01:18] <yofel> magedragon25: probably the dependencies are broken currently, try again in an hour or so
[01:18] <magedragon25> tried several days in a row with same prob
[01:18] <sometux> magedragon25: use this commadn update-manager --devel-release
[01:19] <yofel> sometux: that does exactly the same thing
[01:20] <jjcm> sometux: gimp got axed
[01:20] <jjcm> out of the official release that is
[01:23] <yofel> make that 'out of the default installation', as it's still officially supported
[01:24] <magedragon25> sometux: tried that, still same error
[01:27] <sometux> magedragon25: use synaptic to resolve any broken packages you have and try again
[01:28] <magedragon25> synaptic doesn't report anything broken
[01:32] <sometux> magedragon25: pastebin the log file
[01:32] <magedragon25> ok
[01:32] <blaz_> hi. since 2.6.35-19 kernel update boot hangs when video modes are switched (this happens twice during boot). I have to press (any) key to continue. Same happens during shutdown. Anyone has similar issue?
[01:49] <litropy> hi, peeps. What's the best chan for Unity?
[01:57] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Not sure if theres a #unity channel or not
[01:57] <Dr_Willis> whats Unity again? I forget.. sounds familer
[01:58] <Daekdroom> Dr_Willis, Unity is ubuntu netbook edition replacement to default GNOME.
[01:58] <Daekdroom> Well, not quite a replacement.. I don't know how to explain.
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> Oh yea.. read/seen the reviews.. not used it yet.
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> The new netbook interface :)
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> Im still exploring the 'new' features of the gnome desktop ive been reading about..  (some seem to be missing however)
[03:28] <bdogg> hey, can someone help me with xmms
[03:43] <bazhang> !xmms
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> !ask
[03:45] <bazhang> bdogg?
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> I recall compiling xmms - being a bit of a pain.. for very little gain
[03:46] <bdogg> help with old xmms anyone?
[03:47] <bazhang> !xmms > bdogg
[03:47] <Sir_Brizz> hi all... I'm running Kubuntu 10.10 beta and I can't for the life of me figure out how to enable the nvidia drivers
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> be a bit more verbose in the questions also.
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> Sir_Brizz:  run the jockey-??? program (from cli or menus) and let it install them?
[03:47] <bdogg> Alsa plugin conflicts with other audio
[03:48] <Sir_Brizz> is that the "Additional Drivers"?
[03:48] <bdogg> and oss is no longer functional (doesnt detect soundcard)
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> Sir_Brizz:  yea - i think they renamed it.. (again)
[03:48] <Sir_Brizz> hehe
[03:48] <Sir_Brizz> I ran that and it doesn't seem to show anything
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> the actual binary name is jockey-SOMTHING
[03:48] <DanaG> jockey-gtk for gnome.
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> Sir_Brizz:  on my system. i couldent even see the desktop. I had to install ssh, and then ssh -X in to run jockey :) to get them to install
[03:49] <DanaG> ah, I tried kde 4.4 again.  It's nice and shiny, but too bulky.
[03:49] <DanaG> Everything takes up 25% more space than in Gnome.
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> the nvidia package is nvidia-commion isent it?
[03:49] <Sir_Brizz> nvidia-current
[03:49] <Sir_Brizz> DanaG: 25% more than Mono?
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> there we go. :)
[03:49] <DanaG> I mean screen real estate.
[03:49] <DanaG> Not disk space.
[03:50] <Sir_Brizz> oh lol
[03:50] <Sir_Brizz> I always change the font size down which makes everything smaller
[03:50] <Dr_Willis> I always make the font sizes BIGGER.. so i can read easier. :)
[03:50] <DanaG> Yeah, I use 8.5 in Gnome, and probably in KDE as well.
[03:51] <DanaG> Xorg deliberately fails at setting correct DPI: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705
[03:51] <DanaG> With correct DPI set, the default font size of 10 points is freaking huge.
[03:52] <Sir_Brizz> lol
[03:53] <dk12548> is anyone here
[03:54]  * Dr_Willis looks at his system using size 13-16 fonts...
[03:54] <DanaG> Dr_Willis: what size and resolution screen?
[03:54] <dk12548> how can i increase the dpi ?
[03:54] <DanaG> http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
[03:55] <DanaG> dk12548: are you affected by this lame "feature"?  http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705
[03:55] <DanaG> It's a feature!  It makes your screen larger!
[03:55] <DanaG> (Or so it claims.)
[03:55] <DanaG> It's magically turned my 15.4" LCD into 20 inches.
[03:55] <DanaG> ... or so Xorg claims.
[03:56] <dk12548> no dona i am not affected by that bug
[03:57] <dk12548> actually i am totally unable to increase the dpi of my screen
[03:57] <dk12548> i am a complete noob. i came to +1 cause there was no one answering in kubuntu
[03:57] <DanaG> ah yeah, KDE only gives you 96 and 120.
[03:58] <dk12548> so how should i change it?
[03:58] <DanaG> Ah, I put something in my Xsession.d
[03:58] <DanaG> cat /etc/X11/Xsession.d/15damn-xorg
[03:58] <DanaG> #!/bin/sh
[03:58] <DanaG> xrandr --dpi 147
[03:59] <dk12548> oh k
[04:00] <dk12548> also i wanna know if i can have a keyboard shortcut for opening console
[04:00] <dk12548> not alt+f2
[04:00] <dk12548> something like ctrl+shift+o
[04:00] <yofel> dk12548: kde right? give me a sec
[04:02] <dk12548> yeah
[04:02] <yofel> dk12548: in the keyboard shortcuts, go to custom shortcuts click on edit->new->global shortcut->command/url, set the trigger, and under action put 'konsole' as command
[04:04] <dk12548> where is keyboard shortcut?
[04:04] <yofel> erm, somewhere in systemsettings, in kde 4.5 it's under 'shortcuts and gestures'
[04:07] <dk12548> well i figured that out but there is no option of custum shortcut
[04:08] <yofel> iirc it was named slightly different in 4.4, but it is there somewhere
[04:09] <dk12548> i dont know if im working on 4.4 or 4.5 how can i figure out?
[04:09] <yofel> open some kde app -> help -> about kde
[04:11] <dk12548> hey its 4.2.2
[04:11] <dk12548> i mean 4.4.2
[04:12] <yofel> here's how it looks like in 4.5.1 http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/keyb.png
[04:13] <dk12548> oh ok but it is not like this here
[04:13] <dk12548> how can i upgrade?
[04:13] <yofel> right, it was a bit different in 4.4, but it's possible
[04:13] <dk12548> i googled it too but didnt helped:(
[04:14] <yofel> dk12548: there is 4.5.1 in the kubuntu backports ppa for lucid, and note that maverick isn't released yet
[04:15] <yofel> there are instructions on how to add the ppa somewhere on kubuntu.org
[04:15] <dk12548> oh kk. looks like i have to do some workout then
[04:16]  * yofel needs some sleep
[04:16] <yofel> gn
[04:17] <dk12548> see ya
[04:17] <dk12548> bye
[04:17] <dk12548> thanks
[04:25] <DanaG> Weird... my gwibber shows more posts than it lets me scroll to see!
[04:26] <DanaG> Wait, it's just wrapping.
[04:26] <DanaG> How weird.
[04:26] <DanaG> If you look beyond the bottom of the list... you see the top of the list!
[04:26] <Sir_Brizz> DanaG: you are right ffs
[04:26] <Sir_Brizz> at 1680x1050 the font got huge
[04:27] <DanaG> Wrong DPI also means that zooming 100% in OpenOffice and Gimp and Inkscape is meaningless.  It's not really 100%.
[04:27] <DanaG> With DPI set correctly, I can zoom OpenOffice to 100% and hold an envelope up to the screen, and the size matches exactly.
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I now get  kernel messages spamming my consoles 'Unable to enumerate USB device on port 1'    seems that was an issue last week.. got fixed.. now its back.
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> i just unplugged all usb devices.. :) still getting it. Perhaps its an internal usb hub/thing on the laptop
[04:54] <Tsims> Can someone help me out? I'm trying to install an icon set and am totally lost
[04:55] <Sir_Brizz> DanaG: is there an easy way to fix the dpi or should i just lower the font size?
[04:59] <SBRi> I installed 10.10beta using Wubi and noticed something very annoying. Everytime I ran a program, opened a new tab in firefox, or opened any program for that matter, my hard disk made a screeching sound, the sound I hear when I turn my laptop on, as if the hard drive stops spinning that starts back up again. Can anyone help me in this matter?
[05:46] <DanaG> Sir_Brizz: if your screen is really high-dpi, you should lower the font size.
[05:47] <DanaG> A point is supposed to be 1/72 inch (or 1/96, if you follow Microsoft's lead).
[05:47] <Sir_Brizz> hmm I don't really know what happened
[05:48] <Sir_Brizz> I set my resolution to 1680x1050 in nvidia-settings and my fonts look way too big
[05:48] <DanaG> So 1/72 * 10 points = 0.138 inches.
[05:48] <DanaG> Hmm, what's the native resolution of your screen?
[05:48] <DanaG> Higher, or lower?
[05:48] <Sir_Brizz> 1680x1050 is the recommended resolution
[05:48] <DanaG> nvidia doesn't lie about DPI... so just make the font sizes smaller.
[05:48] <DanaG> 10 points really is really big.
[05:49] <DanaG> er, wait... 10 isn't all that big according to screenruler...
[05:50] <DanaG> ah, they must not be following 72.
[05:50] <DanaG> My 8.5-point font is 12 points according to screenruler.
[05:52] <Sir_Brizz> 8 seems okayish
[05:53] <Sir_Brizz> no wonder my friend is always complaining about giant fonts in kde
[05:53] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dots_per_inch
[05:53] <Sir_Brizz> on my other laptop at 1440x900 the fonts looked fine
[05:53] <DanaG> I use 8.5.
[05:53] <DanaG> http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
[06:02] <DanaG> I also found that KDE takes up a boatload more space (on screen) than Gnome does.
[06:02] <DanaG> Oxygen is nice, but it's way tooooo bulky.
[06:03] <DanaG> It makes 1920x1200 feel like 1280x800.
[06:03] <Sir_Brizz> the window decorations don't bug me that much
[06:03] <Sir_Brizz> it would be nice if Aurorae would get an update and include skins that were skinnier though
[06:10] <lucidfox> DanaG> Oxygen is just the default theme, you can change it
[06:10] <lucidfox> it's not even the default theme in Kubuntu, I think
[06:10] <DanaG> Well, I like the style (nothing else is as nice)... I just wish that style weren't such a space hog.
[06:10] <DanaG> Same style but slimmer, would be nice.
[06:10] <lucidfox> tried QtCurve?
[06:11] <DanaG> Ooh, just had a thought: gtk+ style, in KDE.
[06:12] <DanaG> Ambiance in KDE... spiffy.
[06:12] <lucidfox> How would you configure it? Through the GNOME appearance preferences?
[06:12] <DanaG> Not sure... I'll try to figure that out now.
[06:13] <DanaG> argh, stupid KDE... at login, it opens what's in my Xsession.d... in a text editor!
[06:18] <DanaG> Spiffy... that works.
[06:18] <DanaG> You use the KDE gtk-appearance thing to change the theme.
[06:18] <DanaG> Takes a logout to take effect, though.
[06:19] <DanaG> Well, it's not consistent, though.
[06:27] <DanaG> Oh, and KDE startled the pants off me (to use a figure of speech) when I had the volume all the way up (accidentally), and then went to close my laptop lid.
[06:27] <DanaG> It played some sound.
[06:29] <DanaG> Okay, how do I do "replace playlist" without right-clicking, in amarok?
[06:32] <DanaG> Har, "LCD Weather Station" thinks it's -460 F outside.
[06:44] <atari2600a> hey, whenever I restart, Empathy accidentally all my accounts
[06:44] <atari2600a> is there a workaround?
[06:45] <DanaG> accidentally all your accounts?
[06:45] <DanaG> Accidentally what?
[06:46] <atari2600a> accidentally everything! D:
[06:48] <DanaG> argh, kwin is still laggy.
[06:48] <DanaG> Back to Gnome I go.
[08:15] <Eruaran> hello
[08:15] <Eruaran> need a little help
[08:16] <Eruaran> installed kubuntu 10.10 partitioning manually
[08:16] <Eruaran> dual boot
[08:16] <Eruaran> but system only boots Windows XP, I don't get a grub menu
[08:16] <Eruaran> Im a bit of a noob but looks like kubuntu is installed ok but just no grub
[08:46] <Eruaran> If I use guided install instead of manual partition will kubuntu actually give me a dual boot grup menu?
[09:03] <bullgard4> [Ubuntu 10.10 Beta] /etc/blkid.tab is a stale symlink with me. Is it with you also a stale symlink?
[09:23] <bullgard4> Can I remove it safely?
[09:24] <mrp> how can i bypass using my fstab file? it has a invalid entry and i can't boot my system...
[09:25] <bullgard4> mrp: Take a Live Ubuntu CD and edit it.
[09:27] <bullgard4> mrp: Before, You should make a backup copy of /etc/fstab.
[09:29] <mrp> bullgard4: blah thats the only way?
[09:29] <mrp> i tried reovery mode and no luck..
[09:30] <bullgard4> mc 3:<IP_ADDRESS>-1 shows the file entries as filename - size - access rights. How can I change that to the old layout filename - size - modify time?
[09:34] <bullgard4> mrp: I dont know. Usually Linux offers several solutions. May be you will find another solution by googling: "Ubuntu does not boot edit fstab".
[09:36] <mrp> bullgard4: i just booted a xubuntu cd and mount the drive changed fstab and rebooted working now thanks
[09:37] <bullgard4> mrp: Enjoy Ubuntu!
[09:38] <Titti> hi
[09:38] <Titti> who can tell me how to upgrade to beta release from shell?
[09:44] <bullgard4> Titti: '~$ update-manager -d'
[09:44] <Titti> without windows manager
[09:44] <Titti> only from shell
[09:45] <bazhang> Titti, on server?
[09:45] <bullgard4> Try do-relase-upgrade. But I did not ry that myself.
[09:45] <Titti> desktop
[09:45] <Titti> k
[09:46] <Titti> no new relese found
[09:46] <Titti> is not online the new beta?
[09:46] <bullgard4> Titti: Try do-release-upgrade. But I did not try that myself.
[09:46] <Titti> i tried it now
[09:46] <bullgard4> Beta is online.
[09:46] <Titti> uhm
[09:47] <Titti> do-release-upgrade say no new release online
[09:47] <bazhang> as there is no stable version available
[09:47] <bazhang> Titti, any reason not to use the gui
[09:50] <Titti> i tried this
[09:50] <Titti> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades
[09:51] <Titti> but don't works
[09:52] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install update-manager-core Titti
[09:52] <Titti> it is installed
[09:52] <bazhang> sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release   Titti
[09:52] <Titti> i did
[09:53] <bazhang> Titti, then what is the error
[09:53] <Titti> no new release found
[09:53] <Titti> maybe i have to change repository?
[09:54] <Titti> sourceslist?
[09:54] <Titti> can u try it
[09:54] <Titti> ?
[09:56] <bazhang> Titti, not the recommended way; not sure why you simply dont use the update-manager
[09:56] <Titti> ok, i wanted only to try this way
[09:57] <bazhang> Follow the on-screen instructions. Titti that was the final step   <----
[09:57] <Titti> k
[10:00] <Titti> massimo18: thanks  bye
[10:00] <Titti> ops
[10:00] <Titti> thanks bye
[10:14] <Tetsuo55> is 10.10 already using the new ubuntu font?
[10:24] <lapion> I am getting intermittent keyboard/system freezes
[10:24] <lapion> dmesg gives me : http://pastebin.com/vBF9kFyT
[10:29] <Machtin> could someone help me to get 5.1 working on my Asus Xonar DX? it's somehow strange - seems to be upmixed when i do the 6-channel speaker-test. however, both front speakers and the center speaker work like they are supposed to.
[12:31] <tekonimel> trying to get around the "no init found" at usb boot; now using freshest of the fresh unetbootn and daily 10.10 netbook meerkat ISO
[12:33] <tekonimel> bugger, that didn't work :(
[12:43] <DrHalan> hey
[12:44] <DrHalan> did grub installation break?
[12:45] <DrHalan> i can't install it on my drive anymore
[12:45] <DrHalan> anyone?
[12:47] <yofel> odd, there was a grub update yesterday to fix bug 623609, and the preious update was on the 8th
[12:47] <yofel> DrHalan: it works fine here at least
[12:49] <DrHalan> yeah i just did a dist-upgrade and it failed to configure grub because of that
[13:08] <h4f> hi all
[13:09] <h4f> I have some keys of my touchpad not working any more. and i wan't that functionality back :)
[13:09] <h4f> I have a touchpad on my laptop like this http://computermonger.com/wp-content/uploads/reviews/acer_aspire_5315/acer_aspire_5315_touchpad.jpg
[13:10] <h4f> the touchpad itself is working good. but the keys between left and right button are not working any more as they were.
[13:11] <h4f> there is a 4 button key. up/down is working. right/left suppose to open a new tab in firefox. in maverick its not working that way
[13:11] <h4f> can some one point me where can I configure those keys to my needs ?
[13:31] <DrHalan> r wieso braucht ma bitter 124xD
[14:05] <somaunn_> hello
[14:07] <Sjors_> Hi all
[14:08] <bazhang> Sjors_, what options?
[14:08] <somaunn_> Hi Sjors_
[14:08] <Sjors_> I've downloaded the ubuntu 10.10 'standard' install CD, but I'm having problems booting it; the resolution is constantly wrong
[14:08] <Sjors_> so anyway: I was wanting to know whether I could start text-mode installation on the standard install CD
[14:08] <bazhang> Sjors_, then try some boot options
[14:08] <Sjors_> bazhang: from vga=xxx to xsetup xforcevesa and everything I could find on the community wiki
[14:08] <Sjors_> everything either ended up in a console screen which had the wrong resolution *too*, to the standard X screen with the wrong resolution
[14:09] <bazhang> Sjors_, not sure then; whenever I want the ncurses based installer I get the alternate
[14:09] <Sjors_> in the case of the wrong resolution console, the screen always started to act weird right after some nouveau lines
[14:09] <Sjors_> so I think nouveau is mis-detecting either the graphics card or the screen...
[14:09] <Sjors_> can I force the install CD to use a generic driver instead of nouveau, maybe?
[14:12] <Sjors_> for some reason, every time I gave xforcevega, the machine ended up doing nouveau anyway
[14:16]  * Sjors_ downloads the alternate cd anyway, bah >_<
[14:27] <sevenseeker> this is so odd, since upgrading to 10.10 2 days ago, I have no networking.  Interfaces are up, I can set everything up correctly including wireless but just nothing works (like pinging, browsing, etc).  No error messages anywhere that I have found.
[14:28] <sevenseeker> However, I did notice that if apparmour is running that bringing up interfaces results in a 'DENIED' message (which I can't post here since I am booted into another os)
[14:28] <sevenseeker> stopping apparmour eliminates this message but still no networking
[14:29] <Sjors_> sevenseeker: and `ping`?
[14:29] <Sjors_> try ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:29] <Sjors_> that's the IP address of one of the anycast OpenDNS servers
[14:30] <sevenseeker> ping results in a resolution of the host, but no traffic
[14:30] <nanomad> is the btrfs regression fixed in maverick?
[14:30] <sevenseeker> ok, lemme write that down and reboot :) thanks
[14:30] <dupondje> Hi guys :)
[14:30] <nanomad> hi
[14:30] <dupondje> I need some noob help. I got a file '--exclude=*.jpg'  but can't remove it :p
[14:31] <nanomad> try rm "--exclude=*.jpg"
[14:31] <dupondje> rm: unrecognized option '--exclude=*.jpg'
[14:31] <dupondje> :P
[14:31] <nanomad> or just put a \ before every - and = and *
[14:31] <dupondje> jl@laptopjl:~$ rm \-\-exclude\=\*.jpg
[14:31] <dupondje> rm: unrecognized option '--exclude=*.jpg'
[14:32] <nanomad> rm \-\-exclude\=\*\.jpg
[14:32] <dupondje> jl@laptopjl:~$ rm \-\-exclude\=\*\.jpg
[14:32] <dupondje> rm: unrecognized option '--exclude=*.jpg'
[14:32] <dupondje> :P
[14:32] <nanomad> rm -- "--exclude=*.jpg"
[14:33] <Sjors_> I'd make that '--exclude=*.jpg' or it will try to glob the asterisk in there
[14:33] <Sjors_> not that it should matter
[14:33] <nanomad> yes
[14:33] <nanomad> otherwise just delete the inode
[14:33] <nanomad> ;)
[14:34] <nanomad> dupondje, did it work?
[14:34] <Sjors_> except stat has no --exclude option too ;-)
[14:34] <nanomad> Sjors_, ls -i .
[14:34] <Sjors_> hmm good idea
[14:35] <dupondje> rm -- "--exclude=*.jpg"
[14:35] <dupondje> worked :p
[14:35] <nanomad> good
[14:35] <dupondje> that was a hard one :p
[14:35] <nanomad> normal stuff against script kiddies
[14:35] <nanomad> btrfs is still bugged in maverick
[14:35] <dupondje> btw, could it be that man tar is wrong ?
[14:35] <nanomad> :|
[14:35] <nanomad> why?
[14:36] <Sjors_> no, impossible!
[14:36] <dupondje>      tar [-] A --catenate --concatenate | c --create | d --diff --compare | --delete | r --append | t --list | --test-label | u --update | x --extract --get [options] [pathname ...]
[14:36] <Sjors_> the man files are always right, if they aren't, they still are
[14:36] <nanomad> are u talking about the --exclude=PATTERN
[14:36] <nanomad> ?
[14:36] <dupondje> yep
[14:37] <nanomad> i'll try that
[14:37] <dupondje> tar -cjvf --exclude=*.jpg file.tar.bz2 dir
[14:37] <dupondje> that doesn't work
[14:37] <Sjors_> dupondje: that's because after -f comes a filename
[14:37] <dupondje> tar --exclude=*.jpg -cjvf file.tar.bz2 dir
[14:37] <Sjors_> do it like this:
[14:37] <Sjors_> right
[14:37] <Sjors_> there. :P
[14:37] <Sjors_> or you will create a file called --exclude=*.jpg
[14:37] <dupondje> ah right
[14:37] <dupondje> -f = -file :)
[14:38] <Sjors_> and you will try to pack file.tar.bz2 in it
[14:38] <dupondje> thats why indeed
[14:38] <Sir_Brizz> hahaha
[14:38] <nanomad> lol
[14:38] <Sjors_> --file, actually, GNU longopts have two dashes :)
[14:38] <nanomad> man pages are always right
[14:38] <Sir_Brizz> nice one dupondje ;)
[14:38] <dupondje> fail ... :)
[14:38] <nanomad> so, anyone using btrfs here?
[14:39] <Sir_Brizz> no because you can't fsck it :(
[14:39] <nanomad> lol
[14:39] <nanomad> right
[14:39] <dupondje> ecryptfs here :P
[14:39] <Sir_Brizz> when btrfs has fsck i will probably start using it
[14:39] <nanomad> I was going to test btrfs with this install, but i didn't check the bug reports
[14:40] <nanomad> an install take 3h with btrfs
[14:40] <Pretto> where do i find information about hal not installed by default anad what is used in his place?
[14:40] <Sir_Brizz> Hello,
[14:40] <Sir_Brizz> Hallo, Dave!
[14:42] <nanomad> Pretto, we are using udev i think
[14:44] <Machtin> could someone help me to get 5.1 working on my Asus Xonar DX? it's somehow strange - seems to be upmixed when i do the 6-channel speaker-test. however, both front speakers and the center speaker work like they are supposed to.
[14:45] <nanomad> what's the driver name?
[14:46] <Machtin> actually.. not even the center works when i add the surround option - just noticed
[14:46] <Pretto> nanomad: :) tkx
[14:46] <Machtin> can't tell. :/
[14:46] <Machtin> says chip "AV200" in alsamixer
[14:47] <nanomad> lsmod | grep snd
[14:47] <nanomad> Machtin, lsmod | grep snd
[14:47] <Machtin> snd                    64036  12 snd_virtuoso,snd_oxygen_lib,snd_pcm,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[14:48] <Machtin> anything there?
[14:48] <nanomad> no module options, have u tried moving the sliders in alsamixer?
[14:48] <Machtin> yup
[14:50] <nanomad> try this:
[14:50] <nanomad> http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5554388&postcount=4
[14:50] <nanomad> u also need to remove the ; at the beginning of the line
[14:57] <Machtin> didn't change anything nanomad
[14:57] <nanomad> then I can't help you, sorry
[14:58] <akrcanzon> Excuse me for offtopic, but has anyone got experience with routers/networks?
[14:58] <Sir_Brizz> depends on what you need
[14:58] <akrcanzon> Sir_Brizz,  can I pm you?
[14:58] <akrcanzon> So I will not be offtopic here
[14:58] <Sir_Brizz> ok
[14:58] <Machtin> thanks anyway nanomad :)
[15:08] <AlanBell> hi all
[15:09] <AlanBell> anyone know if adobe-flashplugin is going to land in the partner channel before release?
[15:10] <AlanBell> if you wind up at the adobe website from youtube or other sites it suggests for 9.04+ apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$distro-partner
[15:11] <AlanBell> at the moment on maverick that results in an error message "Package 'adobe-flashplugin' is virtual."
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Isn't the plugin itself outside the repositories, with just the flashplugin-installer now official?
[15:21] <coz_> hey guys   no mplayer  yet?
[15:23]  * charlie-tca doesn't really know about flash; it is hard to find out information about it
[15:39] <Dr_Willis> They may actally make it ehere you can click on flash at their web site and install it.. that would be nice
[15:39] <Dr_Willis> thats the way the Adobe air works last i tried it.. but its a little weird. the binary installer sort of makes/extracts a deb it then installs.
[15:41] <mathew> whats the minimum ram requirement for Lucid Lynx 64 bit?
[15:43] <penguin42> mathew: I'm not sure what the official number is, but for the normal installer I suggest between 384mb and 512mb
[15:44] <mathew> penguin42: just asking because the OS is too slow on by machine with 1 GB ram
[15:45] <penguin42> mathew: It shouldn't be, but if it is then I guess it's a case of finding out if RAM is the problem
[15:45] <mathew> penguin42: why do they say 64-bit - Not recommended for daily desktop usage on the website?
[15:46] <penguin42> mathew: Not sure, I suggest probably because things like Flash are more of a pain, and generally 64-bit does need a little more RAM
[15:47] <mathew> well, flash works fine, its simple things which takes a lot of time
[15:47] <mathew> like opening a new terminal sometimes take like 3-4 seconds
[15:47] <BUGabundo> I've been using 64bits for 3 yeats
[15:47] <BUGabundo> *years
[15:47] <BUGabundo> not a single stress
[15:47] <mathew> opening a movie in vlc takes 15-20 seconds
[15:48] <BUGabundo> that's a slow pc
[15:48] <BUGabundo> :\
[15:48] <mathew> it was fine for me till I updated it to Lucid Lynx
[15:48] <penguin42> mathew: youch, that shouldn't happen
[15:51] <penguin42> damn I was going to ask him something
[16:26] <soee> any idea how can i solve this errror msg while loggin in: Could not update ICEauthority file /gome/USER/.ICEauthority ?
[16:27] <penguin42> soee: Did it really spell it like that, or is that just a typo?
[16:28] <soee> penguin42, "Could not update ICEauthority file /home/soee/.ICEauthority" - thts the error msg
[16:29] <penguin42> soee: OK, can you ls -l /home/soee/.ICEauthority  from a text login and also do df on /home/soee ?
[16:30] <Monotoko> heyy...how do i shortcut to my desktop?
[16:30] <Monotoko> ctrl+alt+d isnt working anymore
[16:30] <shadeslayer> hey any ideas on how to set up your old ssh key on your new install?
[16:30] <soee> penguin42, http://pastebin.com/txXmMJLF
[16:32] <penguin42> soee: Well, you have the disk space, did you just chmod 777 .ICEauthority or has it always had those perms?
[16:33] <soee> penguin42, i was looking for a solution (google) and tried few things but none of theme helped
[16:33] <penguin42> soee: OK, chmod it back to normal    chmod 600 .ICEauthority
[16:35] <soee> i think its after today updates, i dont think it has anything to do with my sound system crash after trying to play song in Rythmbox via Sound Indicator while Radio Tray was running - now i have no sound :/
[16:35] <soee> penguin42, k its 600 now
[16:36] <penguin42> Also check the perms on the directory itself   ls -ld /home/soee
[16:37] <soee> penguin42, drwxr-xr-x 80 1016 1016 4096 2010-04-02 18:46 /home/soee
[16:37] <penguin42> seems sane
[16:37] <penguin42> any errors in dmesg?
[16:38] <soee> penguin42, dmesg ?
[16:39] <penguin42> run dmesg it'll give you a load of logs
[16:40] <Monotoko> why is it Windows+D to get to the desktop?!?!?!?!
[16:41] <Monotoko> yet ctrl+alt+l to lock?
[16:42] <soee> penguin42, http://pastebin.com/Bk7ZQ8n2
[16:43] <penguin42> soee: Hmm that looks OK (other than a moan about your mouse)
[16:43] <Azelphur> Monotoko: you can change it you know
[16:44] <Monotoko> Azelphur, but why have ctrl+alt keys, and then windows+ some other key
[16:44] <Azelphur> Monotoko: and the answer is because it's also ctrl+alt+D to show desktop :)
[16:44] <Monotoko> surely thats just gonna confuse people?
[16:44] <soee> penguin42, its just drivers im truing to run, nothing important
[16:44] <soee> ill try logout brb
[16:44] <penguin42> nod
[16:44] <Azelphur> Monotoko: compiz likes using super, gnome likes using ctrl+alt. Lock is a gnome thing, show desktop is a compiz thing.
[16:44] <Monotoko> Azelphur, ctrl+alt+d isnt working here
[16:44] <Azelphur> wfm :p
[16:45] <Azelphur> Monotoko: but yea it's easy to change, system > preferences > keyboard shortcuts
[16:49] <soee> penguin42, same msg again :/
[16:49] <penguin42> soee: Not sure what to suggest I'm afraid - are you using encrypted home directory out of interest?
[16:50] <soee> penguin42, im not sure i did nothing that could cause this problem, just installed todays updates
[16:50] <penguin42> soee: All you can really do is report the bug
[16:51] <soee> penguin42, ok
[16:52] <penguin42> soee: I don't know enough about the login process to suggest where to debug it more
[16:52] <sevenseeker> after updating to 10.10 2 days ago I discovered that my fglrx module will not load (missing symbols)
[16:52] <penguin42> soee: You could look in /var/log/dpkg.log to find any promising looking package that got updated
[16:52] <sevenseeker> trying to rebuild it complains about lack of proper headers and source (kernel)
[16:52] <sevenseeker> what is the best way to update drivers to work?  Just get the official ones from the site?
[16:55] <Tetsuo55> anyone else suffering from having to ALT+TAB between windows before being able to enter text into them?
[16:56] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  you mean using alt tab and then typing in that window?
[16:56] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  sorry read it wrong
[16:56] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  no I am not having that issue here
[16:56] <Tetsuo55> i want to type here, but after being idle for a while its like the window is type-write protected
[16:56] <coz_> i am however not able to compile my alsa driver yet :(
[16:57] <Tetsuo55> have to alt+tab to another window and back before i can type again
[16:57] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  oooo  no that's not happening here
[16:57] <Tetsuo55> the mouse can do everything though
[16:57] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  somthing is stealing focus?
[16:57] <Tetsuo55> the mouse can interact, but the keyboard cannot
[16:57] <Tetsuo55> its wierd
[16:57] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  desktop?
[16:57] <Tetsuo55> it happens (at least) to konversation and terminal
[16:58] <Tetsuo55> laptop
[16:58] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  mm
[16:58] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  I rarely work with laptops ... not sure what to say for that
[17:25] <magicianlord> The new window buttons are adequate.
[17:34] <gnomefreak> was there a chane since Lucid?
[17:34] <gnomefreak> change
[18:06] <androidbruce> so far so good here on the beta
[18:06] <androidbruce> running it on workstation and laptop
[18:10] <duffydack> having an issue with the fan always running at max while using the radeon driver.  fglrx (in lucid) fixes this..what can I do in maverick?
[18:20] <penguin42> duffydack: The fglrx normally make it by release, not what you can do at the moment
[18:21] <penguin42> 'Powermanagement has to be enabled explicitely. Depending on your hardware, the fan might run at full speed. This turned out to be really tricky.'  that's from the known bugs & limitations page of the radeonhd page - although I think the open one is normally radeon not radeonhd
[18:22] <penguin42> (given the known issues for the Radeon stuff is empty)
[18:23] <penguin42> although interestingly in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21678 there's a comment saying the KMS has power management
[18:23] <compengi> are there any known issues after upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10beta when i'm ubuntu on wubi application?
[18:23] <penguin42> my radeon is fanless so I don't have that problem
[18:24] <sevenseeker> radeon you say... I have no working fglrx on my 10.10
[18:24] <sevenseeker> what did you guys do special?
[18:24] <sevenseeker> if anything , please please document
[18:24] <penguin42> sevenseeker: If you've got the HD4xxx or older then the popen drivers work with some limitations
[18:25] <penguin42> duffydack: A bit of googling suggests there are 3 xorg.conf options; DynamicPM, ClockGating and ForceLowPowerMode - not seen any examples of how to use them though or exactly where they go
[18:26] <duffydack> thanks.
[18:26] <duffydack> Ill google a bit
[18:29] <compengi> oh, looks faulty
[18:29] <sevenseeker> penguin42, thanks... how do I reconfigure X in a friendly manner to use those driver(s)?
[18:29] <penguin42> sevenseeker: Which card do you have, and did you previously have fglrx installed?
[18:30] <gnomefreak> its always best to use jockey but you can always edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:31] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Can jockey do that for the open drivers?
[18:31] <gnomefreak> penguin42: disable all other drivers should do it, maybe
[18:32] <gnomefreak> it has to default to something
[18:32] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Ah OK; I've never had any of the closed drivers on my machine, so I've not had to disable them
[18:33] <gnomefreak> now im not 100% sure that will work but i imagine it has to default to something. as nvidia does
[18:34] <penguin42> I just keep kicking the free ones hard enough to get them to work :-)
[18:34] <sevenseeker> penguin42: I have a mobility radeon HD 4650 and fglrx worked perfectly in 10.04
[18:35] <penguin42> sevenseeker: OK, it'll probably work again by the time Maverick gets released, they have to wait for AMD/ATI to update it
[18:35] <gnomefreak> sevenseeker: it has to do with the transition to X 1.9 most likely
[18:36] <penguin42> gnomefreak: And the new kernel - the build always breaks when the kernel changes
[18:36] <gnomefreak> penguin42: our drivers?
[18:36] <penguin42> gnomefreak: The AMD ones
[18:36] <gnomefreak> or upstream builds
[18:36] <gnomefreak> oh
[18:37] <duffydack> sevenseeker, same gfx card here
[18:38] <sevenseeker> ok, so in the meantime I can use the non accelerated ati driver?
[18:38] <sevenseeker> if so, how do I switch?
[18:38] <sevenseeker> I haven't hacked on x.org configs in many a year
[18:39] <penguin42> sevenseeker: Is X working at the moment?
[18:40] <sevenseeker> penguin42, no... fglrx is the driver referenced and will not load due to missing symbols... however if I just replace the fglrx with 'foo' I doubt it will work unless I uncomment everything (the config options), so is there an easier way?
[18:40] <penguin42> sevenseeker: ok, if oyu can't start X (and hence get to the jockey stuff - maybe there is a command line way?) I'd remove all fglrx packages and move the /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way
[18:41] <gnomefreak> not sure what ATI defaults to but i had vesa working for a while when nvidia broke
[18:41] <sevenseeker> aha, lemme try that on reboot
[18:48] <edgy> crimsun_: hi
[18:50] <sevenseeker> penguin42: would I then run a 'dpkg --reconfigure' on a xorg package or something else?
[18:50] <penguin42> sevenseeker: Nah, just move /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way, it should sort the rest out itself
[18:50] <penguin42> sevenseeker: if you do start gdm I think it should restart it
[18:51] <sevenseeker> penguin42, ok... awesome to hear, thanks
[18:51]  * penguin42 goes to get dinner
[18:57] <coz_> hey guys  icedtea isnt being installed by default  is it?
[18:59] <bobo1231> is there hope for a ubuntu-made graphics settings controlpanel one can use, depite that on is using nvidias drivers?
[19:01] <ahamino> Hi, my AMD Turion X2 ultra overheats under normal stress load, it has been doing that since ubuntu 9.04 -> 10.04 (runs fine on windows 7) .. I'm wondering if that got solved in this release.. Checked lp .. and found a bug that looks similar to the problem I'm having ... but there are no indication of it's status : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/370173?comments=all
[19:03] <coz_> ahamino,  have you checked with #ubuntu-x  channel ?
[19:03] <ahamino> coz_ : what is #ubuntu-x ?
[19:04] <coz_> ahamino,  that channel deals with many things including drivers and functinality as far as I know   I believe that channel would offer more information
[19:04] <ahamino> coz
[19:04] <ahamino> coz_ : ok thanks, will check it
[19:15] <duffydack> just tried booting with radeon.dynpm=1 on kernel line and I get radeon: Unknown parameter `dynpm'  and compiz doesnt get loaded and I get a metacity desktop.
[19:16] <duffydack> thats what a few sites suggested to do.. using xorg apparently is for UMS not KMS
[19:30] <Slasher`> i try to upgrade to the beta and get this error - 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for x11-xkb-utils, probably a dependency cycle.' - anyone know how to fix it?
[19:32] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: are you using update-manager -d?
[19:32] <Slasher`> yep
[19:32] <gnomefreak> sounds like you are using X from a PPA
[19:33] <Slasher`> hmm
[19:33] <Slasher`> how would i know if i am/how would i use a different one?
[19:33] <gnomefreak> update-manager should be able to fix it
[19:33] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: do you have an X PPA?
[19:33] <Slasher`> i have no clue lol
[19:33] <Slasher`> would it be in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[19:33] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: you dont know?
[19:33] <gnomefreak> S|away: yes
[19:33] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: yes
[19:34]  * gnomefreak wonders how you do not know
[19:34] <Slasher`> right lets look
[19:34] <Slasher`> hmm
[19:34] <Slasher`> well it's added lines by itself by the looks for maverick
[19:34] <Slasher`> the rest are commented out
[19:35] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: yes they start with #
[19:35] <Slasher`> oh
[19:35] <Slasher`> ok
[19:37] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: do you have one?
[19:38] <Slasher`> # http://ppa.launchpad.net/bogdanb/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main <-is that what i'm looking for?
[19:38] <Slasher`> well
[19:38] <Slasher`> # deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/bogdanb/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[19:38] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: you are on jaunty?
[19:38] <Slasher`> no
[19:38] <Slasher`> i don't even know why that's there
[19:38] <penguin42> might still have old packages left in from them after an upgrade
[19:38] <Slasher`> possibly
[19:39] <penguin42> Slasher`: oh that looks like it was just an amarok version froma year or so ago
[19:40] <Slasher`> ah yeah
[19:40] <Slasher`> i now use amarok2 anyway
[19:40] <gnomefreak> maqke a whole new lucid .list file assuming you are on lucid. than run update than update-manager -d see if it happens
[19:40] <Slasher`> lets see what else i have
[19:40] <gnomefreak> im gone dinner is done
[19:40] <Slasher`> ok will do
[19:40] <gnomefreak> pastebin the whole list so people can help
[19:40] <Slasher`> do you have a default lucid.list ?
[19:40] <Slasher`> ok
[19:40] <Slasher`> http://pastebin.com/P5qLRHrr
[19:44] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: you cant upgrade from karmic -> maverick you have to upgrade from karmic -> lucid -> maverick
[19:44] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: best to get a new ISo and install clean. back up your files.
[19:44] <Slasher`> i'm on lucid i dont know why it still says karmic
[19:45] <gnomefreak> !upgrade | Slasher`
[19:45] <Slasher`> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 10.04 - lucid Kernel: 2.6.32-24-generic, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 1.7.6 | Desktop: Gnome v2.3.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.8.6
[19:45] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: your sources list list karmic
[19:45] <Slasher`> hmm
[19:45] <Slasher`> strange
[19:45] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: not strange that is wha5t is there. you most likely have karmic packages as well as lucid but i do not see a lucid repo at all
[19:46] <Slasher`> should i get a lucid .list file, replace it and then update?
[19:46] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: your system is unstable and you should reinstall lucid and wait a while longer before upgraded to maverick. gone now
[19:47] <Slasher`> bugger lol
[19:47] <Slasher`> oh well, thanks
[19:47] <duffydack> Rhythmbox never fetches cover art.. what gives
[19:51] <Dr_Willis> duffydack:  i noticed that also.
[19:52] <Dr_Willis> One of these days i need to track down a way to clean out all these DUps of my music files and sort them better also.
[19:52] <duffydack> I think there exists a program for that... just dont ask me the name
[19:54] <Dr_Willis> yea. I got like 15gb of muzak and i think 1/2 of it are dupes.
[19:54] <coz_> yikes :)
[19:54] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  that has to take up space :)
[19:54] <Dr_Willis> 2TB usb HD on sale for $109 last week.
[19:54] <Dr_Willis> I got 2... :)
[19:55] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  oh then nevermind lol
[19:55] <Dr_Willis> Ive ran out of USB ports on this PC.    I use disk utility for a quick-ish way of unmounting a few drives.
[20:00] <coz_> duffydack, :)  for sure pita... concerned about errors when umounting single partition on external with mulitple partiions ..it tends to screw up the drive re mounting at times
[20:01] <penguin42> coz_: Have you tried the gnome drive mount applet?
[20:02] <coz_> penguin42,  I have and also cairo-dock's as well...they unmount individually fine  however  as in lucid,, highlihgting the set of icons for mulitple drive partitions on the desktop still has no unmount or safely remove drive options
[20:02] <coz_> and of course a single icon right click has it but spits out errors
[20:02] <penguin42> coz_: Hmm, I'd thought for USB stick with multiple partitions it did
[20:03] <coz_> penguin42,  all of my usb sticks are single partition...but external drives are multiple partitions   ...worked fine in karmic though
[20:03] <duffydack> it has eject and safe remove for me...  both do the same thing in terms of removing the partitions from being seen
[20:03] <coz_> duffydack,  on singel partitions?
[20:03] <duffydack> which is the problem, and why I want an unmount.. I wanna unmount and keep them available.
[20:04] <duffydack> not got any with single partitions...
[20:04] <duffydack> so I cant say
[20:04] <coz_> duffydack,  here i get an error when trying to right click unmount with a single partition on the multiple partiioned drive  let me get error
[20:04] <penguin42> coz_: Is this esata?
[20:05] <coz_> penguin42,  no external ide via usb
[20:05] <coz_> this is the error consistent with lucid as well   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/errors/external%20drive%20error
[20:05] <duffydack> usb stick with 6 partitions for me
[20:06] <coz_> penguin42,  also doesnt seem to matter what file system is on externals  I have tried fat  ext4 and ntfs  all with same error
[20:06] <penguin42> coz_: I think that error is from the thing trying to do the sync/clean unmount
[20:07] <Dr_Willis> I have lets see... 6 usb ports built in.. 2 on front (not used except for flash drives)  and 2 pci add on usb cards. one gvives 2 usb ports.. one gives 3 (plus one internal on each) :)
[20:07] <Dr_Willis> the internal ones are neat. but  a bit of a hassle. I put a Bluetooth dongle on one.. and it had a range of like 2 feet
[20:08] <coz_> :)
[20:11] <onyxgaze_> i must say im loving ubuntu after switching from windows 7, it's come a long way from installs i've done in the past, it seems to just work on this box
[20:18] <coz_> onyxgaze_,  very cool :)
[20:21] <aboSamoor> Hi, I am using tsclient, but it seems that it truncates the domain name after specific length. I mean cs.stonybrook.edu appears as cs.stonybrook.e
[20:23] <penguin42> aboSamoor: Just looking up, tsclient looks like it's a front end for rdesktop, have you tried rdesktop directly?
[20:23] <aboSamoor> penguin42: yes, and it works
[20:23] <penguin42> aboSamoor: OK, then I suggest raising a bug against tsclient
[20:23] <aboSamoor> penguin42: but I have to install rdesktop package so I doubt that tsclient is using the same code base
[20:24] <penguin42> oh, ok
[20:24] <aboSamoor> penguin42: is tscleint part of gnome, I want to file upstream then link to launchpad
[20:25] <penguin42> aboSoCurious, it says in the package description it does and it does actually depend on rdesktop
[20:25] <penguin42> aboSamoor: If you do dpkg -s tsclient what version does it say?
[20:26] <aboSamoor> penguin42: 0.150-4ubuntu1
[20:26] <penguin42> hmm that matches
[20:27] <aboSamoor> penguin42: I can not run rdesktop command without installing the package
[20:27] <penguin42> aboSamoor: Weird, ok, what happens if you remove the rdesktop package :-)
[20:28]  * penguin42 discovers the Brazilian Debian Pure Blend - brdesktop
[20:29] <aboSamoor> penguin42: I am sorry. The first time that I thought i installed rdesktop, it was upgrading the packaging and not installing it
[20:30] <penguin42> ah ok
[20:43]  * shoonya is away: Gone to bed...
[20:45] <doc|home> anyone had mpd break on them recently?
[20:45] <doc|home> player_thread: problems opening audio device while playing "Radiohead/[1997.06] OK Computer [24bit-96kHz Vinyl LP]/Radiohead - 01 - Airbag.flac" from the mpd log
[20:45] <doc|home> same for mp3s
[21:21] <Lynoure> Amarok working fine for people?
[21:22] <Lynoure> I'm wondering if I am alone with the problem I asked about ~1 day ago
[21:27] <Monotoko> hmmm, one sec il fire it up
[21:27] <Monotoko> whats the problem?
[21:33] <doc|home> anyone?
[22:27] <doc|home> player_thread: problems opening audio device while playing "Radiohead/[1997.06] OK Computer [24bit-96kHz Vinyl LP]/Radiohead - 01 - Airbag.flac" from the mpd log. Same for mp3s.
[22:27] <doc|home> anyone had mpd break on them recently?
[22:27] <doc|home> must have been a recent update because it was working fine
[22:31] <penguin42> doc|home: I don't use it, does it normally use Pulse or directly access the device?
[22:36] <doc|home> penguin42: you can configure it to use pulse
[22:36] <doc|home> and it had been working fine, so I don't know if it could be configuration
[22:37] <penguin42> doc|home: OK, so is pulse running   ps -eaf|grep pulse should show a pulseaudio process
[22:38] <doc|home> penguin42: it gives two results pulseaudio and gconf-helper
[22:38] <penguin42> ok, so pa is running, so mpd had better be trying to use it
[22:38] <penguin42> doc|home: If it's trying to open the device directly it won't work if pa is running
[22:41] <doc|home> penguin42: http://pastebin.ca/1938469 is the mpd.conf
[22:41] <doc|home> and while I haven't changed that, I wonder if pulse has changed and may expect something else since last week?
[22:42] <doc|home> correction: I changed it when I installed it as it doesn't use pulse by default, in order to get it to work via pulse, but it worked after I did that until some time over the last few days
[22:43] <penguin42> doc|home: Well, that looks like it's set for pa (even though I've never looked at it before)
[22:43] <penguin42> doc|home: Is other stuff playing audio?
[22:44] <doc|home> penguin42: yep, xine, totem and rhythmbox work fine, as does flash on websites
[22:44] <penguin42> doc|home: OK then I guess mpd got broke
[22:45] <penguin42> doc|home: File a bug
[22:46] <doc|home> will do, thanks
[23:36] <vbabiy> is any one else seeing high cpu usage for xorg?
[23:36] <bazhang> vbabiy, let me check
[23:36] <penguin42> vbabiy: A few people have said that
[23:36] <vbabiy> I see it when I alot of text scrolling in my terminal
[23:36] <vbabiy> penguin42, do you know if there is a fix yet?
[23:36] <bazhang> vbabiy, yep
[23:37] <penguin42> vbabiy: No I don't, I'm not sure anyone has nailed it down - still, text scrolling through a terminal IS limited by the rate at which X/graphics card can shift it
[23:37] <penguin42> (although konqueror is actually neater than most terminals)
[23:37]  * penguin42 means konsole
[23:58] <Kendalja>  I just downloaded the Ubuntu 10.10 netbook iso
[23:59] <Kendalja> how do i install from usb stick?
[23:59] <penguin42> Kendalja: Have you got an Ubuntu machine already running ?