[06:49] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** i509VCB opened [issue #244](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/244): Test to ensure xdg_surface is not assigned non extending role... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/c2e07de08a9426db902f02067541cae33dda35b8>)
[07:07] <Saviq> Good morning o/
[07:59] <RAOF> Hm. Am I managing to corrupt memory in a very specific way that causes std::unordered_map to infinite-loop on miriway shutdown, or is this an existing race 🤔
[08:03] <RAOF> It does, at least, manage to handle both clients that send bad buffers and clients that delete their buffers immediately 🎉
 "Gah. Spent too much time..." <- RAOF (he/they) just for confirmation, https://github.com/RAOF/spread is your "current" spread source?
[08:30] <RAOF> Saviq: I believe so? It's been a while since I touched that.
[08:41] <RAOF> Oh, no. That's right! I remember fighting with new Go.
[08:41] <Saviq> Either way, I will try and take snapd team's version and add on top
[08:42] <Saviq> They should have any problems like that solved by now… I hpe.
[08:42] <Saviq> *hope
[08:42] <RAOF> 😀
[08:42] <RAOF> They hadn't when last I tried, but according to the log that was a good year ago, so there's hope!
[08:43] <Saviq> FWIW I don't mean snapcore/spread. They have a custom build they maintain. Don't ask.
[09:09] <RAOF> Heh
[09:09] <Saviq> But I see yours actually does include a bunch of PRs merged outside of the main tree, so you must've started there.
[16:37] <Saviq> I will fight ccache and spread moar tomorrow. o/
[19:34] <sophie-w> grayson-g: when you get a chance can you review https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2642?
[19:34] <grayson-g[m]> sophie-w: I can hop on this now!
[19:36] <sophie-w> grayson-g[m]: It's a re-do of a reverted PR. I believe it fixes the problem with the original that caused us to revert it, and no one has come in to object yet. It did already pass code review once, but worth doing a once-over of the whole thing to make sure there aren't more issues/suggestions.
[20:14] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2642](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2642): Verify serials again
[20:42] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** graysonguarino drafted [pull request #2646](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2646): Expose wait features
[20:42] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[20:42] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Fixes #2543 by exposing registering/deregistering of file descriptors on the MainLoop and registering of signals.
[23:59] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww marked [pull request #2644](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2644): Improve Client class lifetime management as ready for review


[00:24] <Marc-An> I have this error when using do-update-manager
[00:24] <Marc-An> The required dependency 'apt (>= <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2)' is not installed.
[00:24] <Marc-An> anyone else has this happening ?
[12:31] <rbasak> bdmurray: I've written a bunch of bugpatterns and tested them carefully with test-local. AFAICT they match only what they're supposed to match, don't accidentally match everything, etc. Are you happy for me to just push or should I request a review first?
[12:32] <rbasak> (these are for mysql-5.7 in Xenial - a bunch of people are reporting upgrade issues so I want to save myself having to wade through all the bugs)
[13:42]  * rbasak JFDI
[17:25] <hggdh> grep teo
[20:28] <teward> i need a second set of eyes - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1576329 - can't find any usable debug data here, as nginx is 'running'
[20:28] <teward> so...
[20:29] <teward> if anyone wants to poke it and suggest if I'm missing something, feel free.
[21:39] <hggdh> teward: actually, the DpkgTerminalLog shows nginx being installed and failing to start
[21:40] <teward> hggdh: check the journalctl output and the systemctl output
[21:40] <teward> it's 'running'
[21:40] <hggdh> yes
[21:40] <hggdh> but there *was* a failure
[21:40] <teward> hggdh: a nondeterministic one
[21:40] <hggdh> I wonder what apt-get -f install would do
[21:42] <hggdh> teward: to boot you have an apport failure there :-)
[21:42] <hggdh> (which has nothing to do with nginx, but might have contributed to some missing logs, perhaps?)
[21:43] <teward> E: Broken VPN Pipe = Broken
[21:43] <teward> hggdh: my apport hooks ran
[21:43] <teward> which pull in the error logs that the dpkg fail suggests
[21:43] <teward> that apport hook as been there since Vivid
[21:43] <teward> and it did run
[21:43] <teward> so...
[21:43] <teward> if something's missing from the main apport runs, that's outside my control - hence the 'Incomplete' status
[21:43] <teward> and I think pitti needs to retool apport given this, anything that uses any extra characters outside of pure ascii has broken
[21:43] <teward> (Russian, German, Spanish, etc.)
[21:43] <hggdh> teward: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/256929148/HookError_ubuntu.txt
[21:44] <teward> hggdh: yes, I know
[21:44] <teward> as i said
[21:44] <hggdh> oh
[21:44] <hggdh> now I read your entries
[21:44] <teward> hggdh: /usr/share/apport/general-hooks/ubuntu.py
[21:44] <teward> ^ that's 'apport' general
[21:44] <teward> which is I think pitti's realm
[21:44] <teward> hggdh: to be honest, though, it got everything except maybe some syslog data
[21:45] <hggdh> indeed. I just wonder about what might have been missed
[21:45] <teward> before my apport hooks, there was *nothing* to debug since the systemd transition
[21:45] <teward> because Debian upstream coded their thing to just absorb error codes
[21:45] <teward> I had to hack my way in the init scripts to make things work :/
[21:45] <teward> (to get error output)
[21:45] <hggdh> also, this OP is probably running with -proposed
[21:46] <teward> hggdh: how so?
[21:46] <teward> (1.10.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> is in -updates)
[21:47] <hggdh> the dpkg log shows kernel 4.4.0-22 being installed, and this one is still in tests
[21:48] <hggdh> 4.4.0-21 is still the official kernel for xenial
[21:53] <hggdh> teward: I also wonder what 'dpkg -l nginx\*' would show as the current status for the packages
[21:55] <hggdh> teward: but, so far, I agree with you that this sounds like cosmic rays
[22:07] <teward> hggdh: i see at least one 'cosmic rays' like one every version
[22:07] <teward> some are because Russian fubars the apport hooks
[22:07] <teward> and they get back info indicating that it's 'cause somehting is bound to port 80 already
[22:07] <teward> others are just broken configs
[22:08] <teward> some are just oddball setups
[22:10] <hggdh> aye
[22:11] <teward> hggdh: i'm just glad I was able to get help to set up dupe detection filters - i haven't seen a Port 80 bind failure since we added a duplicate detection filter heh
[22:26] <teward> hggdh: if you'd like to request more information from the user, by the way, feel free
[22:26] <teward> i came here to get general triage assist 'cause i thought I was just losing my mind with no data there
[23:15] <pyrite> Could someone add a Xenial task for https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-software/+bug/1573408 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1559284
[23:16] <pyrite> The fixes are in -proposed and there is a lot of interest in them, so it would be good to be able to track them properly.
[23:48] <hggdh> teward: will do


[04:37] <pleia2> topyli: great blog entry \o/
[06:38] <Myrtti> Flannel: alt installs the same desktop
[06:38] <Flannel> Myrtti: It doesn't have to
[06:38] <Myrtti> Flannel: i've never seen it ask what i want to install either
[06:39] <Myrtti> mini and server do
[06:39] <Flannel> Myrtti: They removed it from the boot menu in 9.04 (it usedto be there), now you have to hit f6 or f7 or whatever to choose "command line install"
[06:39] <Flannel> 9.04 might not be the right version of removal-from-menu
[06:40] <Myrtti> right
[06:40] <Flannel> http://members.iinet.net.au/~herman546/p15/re_grub001.png  (fourth menu item)
[06:40] <Flannel> er, I can't count.  Lets try third.
[06:40] <Flannel> and now you toggle it on/off from within f6, I believe.
[06:41] <Tm_T> Morning all
[07:39] <dholbach> good morning
[07:42] <Madpilot> morning
[07:43] <Madpilot> well, still evening here, for another 15 min or so :)
[08:06] <jazz> i am looking for a staffer, i've a question on nicks
[08:06] <Flannel> jazz: #freenode is your best bet
[08:06] <Myrtti> then why don't you go ask at #freenode?
[08:07] <jazz> kinda new using  x-chat and irc all together... thanks myrtti and flannel
[08:12]  * Myrtti facepalms
[08:25] <Jordan_U> probable troll in #ubuntu
[08:25] <Flannel> I'm looking into it, thanks
[08:26] <Jordan_U> Thank you.
[08:28] <Madpilot> Flannel, serious WTFery in #u...
[08:28] <Flannel> mhmm
[08:28] <Flannel> is it a full moon or something?
[08:28] <Madpilot> not for a week or so, AFAIK :)
[08:29] <Flannel> meh.  autobans
[08:29] <Madpilot> in which universe was futura's "joke" actually funny?
[08:29] <Flannel> None
[11:17] <ikonia> hello Kottisen
[11:25] <ikonia> Kottisen: are you active ?
[11:28] <Kottisen> ikonia: yes
[11:31] <ikonia> hi there
[11:32] <Kottisen> Hello ikonia! :)
[11:36] <ikonia> you're in #ubuntu-ops the operator team for the ubuntu channels
[11:36] <ikonia> do you need any help from us with anything ?
[11:37] <elky> oh really now?
[11:37] <elky> ooh, the cloak, whee!

[11:54] <Tm_T> (:
[11:54] <Tm_T> I'm still waiting some extension for my cloak
[11:56] <topyli> "my cloak is longer than your cloak" :)
[11:58] <ikonia> Kottisen: do you need anything from is ?
[12:00] <topyli> Kottisen, please leave the channel if you have no issues we can help with. idling is not allowed
[12:01] <elky> Tm_T, did you pay for the privilege yet? :P
[12:01] <Tm_T> elky: no, not that kind of extension
[12:01] <elky> ah
[12:01] <elky> that would probably work though.
[12:03] <Tm_T> if I had money etc (:
[13:57] <persia> jussi01: bogeyd6 is contributing usefully, just noisily in -server
[13:58] <jussi01> persia: yeah, Ill unban as soon as the flood stops
[13:58] <persia> Cool :)
[13:58] <Myrtti> [15:55] < Kernspalter> http://www.AWSurveys.com/HomeMain.cfm?RefID=al_caspam  --> EARN MONEY FOR FREE USENET-ACCOUNTS AND  RAPIDSHARE-ACCOUNTS AND PAYPAL!!!
[14:00] <MenZa> Nice realnem.
[14:00] <MenZa> realname*
[14:00] <MenZa> "Al Caspam"
[14:42] <persia> jussi01: re: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-February/000095.html : it asks for more access than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/Coordination : one of these is wrong.
[14:43] <Myrtti> in any case the flags for -testing are wrong (re #ubuntu-irc)
[14:43] <Myrtti> (re: stgraber's email on the mailing list)
[14:44] <persia> The precisely match the documentation at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/Coordination
[14:44] <persia> Since I pointed him to the documentation to set the flags, I'm sure this means the docs need updating.
[14:46] <Myrtti> persia: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2010-February/000932.html (+vo vs. +votiA vs. +votiAf)
[14:46] <Myrtti> anyway, I'm not in the council so I couldn't really care less
[14:47] <persia> Oh, the mail seems wrong.  /cs access #ubuntu-testing list has a slightly better story to tell.
[14:47] <persia> I agree.
[14:48]  * persia also isn't council, but just noticed a discrepancy which, if not resolved soon, will be raised as a question at a meeting.
[15:24] <Pici> dealt with
[15:28] <jussi01> persia: the +f asked for in #ubuntu-devel is because it is a core channel. it is the only core channel this is missing. we need it because of the LP integration.
[15:28]  * gnomefreak was removed as op :(
[15:29] <gnomefreak> s/op/op?
[15:29] <persia> jussi01: If you you have a good answer for the TB you're good.
[15:29]  * persia isn't TB.
[15:30] <jussi01> persia: yeah, I do, I just like others to understand as well. we have nothing to hide :)
[15:37] <gnomefreak> it seems just #ubuntu i lost op
[15:38] <Pici> gnomefreak: eh? You still have access to #ubuntu
[15:39] <gnomefreak> ok i am but it didnt ping me when !ops was used
[15:39] <Pici> gnomefreak: oh.
[15:39] <gnomefreak> i was thinking i lost it due to that
[15:40] <Pici> erg
[15:40] <jpds> .
[15:40] <Pici> @login
[15:40] <Pici> jpds: quiet you.
[15:40] <jpds> OK.
[15:40] <gnomefreak> thanks
[15:57] <Myrtti> I'm somehow annoyed of Lord-Readmans way of spamming his brainstorm link. I'll just bite my tongue and let him do it.
[16:54] <Mamarok> tsimpson: you around?
[16:54] <tsimpson> Mamarok: mostly
[16:55] <Mamarok> I was thinking, with the current problems in KDE SC 4.4 on Karmic, maybe a factoid for Akonadi might be useful, pointing to http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi
[16:56] <Mamarok> since the culprit is apparmor, this will remain for quite some time
[16:56] <tsimpson> care to suggest a factoid?
[16:57] <Mamarok> what's the syntax again?
[16:58] <Mamarok> botname !factoid is IIRC?
[16:58] <tsimpson> something like !Akonadi is <reply> your message here
[16:58] <Mamarok> oh, great, I will give it a try :)
[16:59] <tsimpson> if you want it to start with "factoid is ..." you can leave out the <reply> part
[17:02] <gnomefreak> i would be more inclided to send them to http://userbase.kde.org/Glossary#Akonadi so people knows what it is
[17:03] <tsimpson> no reason the factoid can't contain both
[17:03] <gnomefreak> tsimpson: agreed
[17:04] <Mamarok> !Akonadi is <reply> Akonadi is the data storage access mechanism for all PIM applications in KDE SC 4. If you experience problems with Akonadi, please see http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi for tips on how to solve this.
[17:05] <Mamarok> !Akonadi
[17:05] <Mamarok> tsimpson: how abut this?
[17:06] <Mamarok> about*
[17:08] <gnomefreak> i get the feeling that is over most users heads
[17:09] <Mamarok> gnomefreak: I don't think so, there are basically 2 lines to enter to make it work
[17:09] <gnomefreak> new users know what PIM is?
[17:10] <gnomefreak> me and you do for sure :)
[17:10] <Mamarok> or point directly to Technical Issues?
[17:11] <gnomefreak> !pim
[17:11] <Mamarok> hm, making a wiki entry on kubuntu.org might help as well
[17:12] <gnomefreak> +1
[17:12] <Mamarok> that was for the wiki, right?
[17:13] <gnomefreak> yes
[17:17] <Mamarok> tsimpson: I need to talk about with appacjelogger first, he pretend there is no problem with apparmor
[17:17] <Mamarok> appachelogger*
[17:17] <tsimpson> "it didn't happen if I didn't see it" ;)
[17:18] <Tm_T> Mamarok: if the error message is that particular one, then it is
[17:18] <Mamarok> Tm_T: could you please tell him, then?
[17:19] <Tm_T> I have no time to argue, sorry
[17:19] <Tm_T> have to get daughter to sleep, not apachelogger but the other daughter (;
[17:48] <Myrtti> !backtrack > Myrtti
[19:07] <Pici> Need a second opinion: Would it be ridiculous for me to take this person aside for overuse of abbreviations:    14:04:30 <DasEi> major_redhat: so got most common codecs, apart from libdvdcss try vlc-player for video-files, s. apt-get i. vlc
[19:08] <tsimpson> yes
[19:08] <Myrtti> no
[19:08] <Pici> yes it would be ridiculous?
[19:08] <tsimpson> as in, "yes, please take them aside"
[19:08] <Myrtti> (just for the sake of argument)
[19:08] <Pici> Myrtti: :P
[19:09] <tsimpson> "s. apt-get i. vlc" is, as you said, just ridiculous
[19:09] <Myrtti> there's been so many people using abbreviations today
[19:09] <Myrtti> I'm not dyslexic or anything, but I can imagine how horrible it would be to be both non-native and dyslexic with these
[19:10] <tsimpson> rly? i dnt no tht
[19:10] <Myrtti> it's really, really REALLY straining to read
[19:11] <Myrtti> and I'm know I do read and understand English quite well for a non-native speaker
[19:11] <tsimpson> not to mention annoying, but maybe I'm getting grumpy in my not-so old-age
[19:12] <Pici> Okay. :)
[19:15] <Pici> He said that he'd stop doing it.
[19:32] <Myrtti> it's the spanish invasion again
[19:35] <Mamarok> we should send the inquisition...
[19:36] <Myrtti> tut-tut, that's un-Code-of-Conduct, naughty, unnecessary and totally rude!!!11
[20:56] <Mamarok> hm, wasn't there a factoid for a clean KDE or Gnome only install (or how to get rid of the other)? I can't find it
[20:57] <Mamarok> nvm, found it
[20:58] <Mamarok> !removegnome
[20:58] <Mamarok> what the heck is that? It used to point to a wiki page
[20:58] <Pici> !purekde
[20:59] <Mamarok> right
[20:59] <Mamarok> Pici: thanks :)
[21:00] <Myrtti> !puregnome
[21:00] <Myrtti> >____<
[21:00] <Myrtti> lollerz
[21:00] <Pici> eww
[21:01] <Pici> At least it doesnt say to --asume-yes
[21:02] <Pricey> !-removegnome
[21:02] <Pricey> thought it gave last edited..
[21:06] <Mamarok> what the heck is debfoster?
[21:13] <Pricey> Mamarok: I assume it points out orhpanned packages, those without anything depending on them.
[21:13] <Pricey> spll fail
[21:14] <Pricey> !info debfoster
[21:14] <Mamarok> hm, I need to check that out one day
[21:32] <Myrtti> interesting
[21:51] <tsimpson> who broke freenode?
[21:54] <Mamarok> I was not even near to it, pleading innocent
[22:00] <Myrtti> did it stop nao?
[22:01] <tsimpson> looks like it
[23:07] <MenZa> ubottu: tell maxjezy about language
[23:07] <MenZa> ubottu: tell maxjezy about coc
[23:07] <MenZa> ubottu: tell maxjezy about guidelines


[00:10] <ompaul> PriceChild, next visitor for you
[00:10] <ompaul> not mine
[00:10] <ompaul> kojv with channel ctcp ping
[00:10] <PriceChild> hmm k
[00:17] <KOJV> I'm sorry, didn't know that channel ping ain't allowed. Will you please unban me? Thank you.
[00:20] <ompaul> PriceChild, ^^
[00:20] <ompaul> PriceChild, look at the ip before you pass judgement
[00:21]  * ompaul hands off
[00:21] <KOJV> ompaul, what's with my ip? :S
[00:22] <ompaul> you changed ip
[00:22] <KOJV> ompaul, oh. Yeah, that's because I had the wrong cable inserted so that my identd wouldn't work.
[00:22] <KOJV> ompaul, I have to get the ban lifted anyway though, else I'll be banned for evading.
[00:23] <ompaul> wrong attitude
[00:23] <ompaul> or right attitude
[00:23] <ompaul> maybe
[00:23] <ompaul> I give up, please don't e3ngage me
[00:23] <KOJV> ompaul, it's the wrong attitude to ask for my ban to be lifted before I rejoin the channel??  :-o
[00:23] <PriceChild> KOJV: why did you want to ping the channel?
[00:23] <KOJV> PriceChild, because there was no answer, I needed to see if I was caught in a bad lag.
[00:23] <ompaul> in conversation
[00:24] <PriceChild> KOJV: So you decided the best way to do that was ping 1000 people at once?
[00:24] <KOJV> PriceChild, I didn't realize there were so many users in the channel.
[00:25] <ompaul> PriceChild, I have to crash catch you later
[00:25] <PriceChild> KOJV: I think you should be much more careful with commands which you don't understand when connected to large networks.
[00:25] <PriceChild> ompaul: have fun
[00:25] <ompaul> PriceChild, cheers
[00:25] <nickrud> PriceChild, thanks for the email :)
[00:26] <KOJV> PriceChild, well, I'm usually on large networks but seldomly in such huge channels. Again, I'm sorry and it won't happen again.
[00:26] <nickrud> I pity the council, having to choose only 2 of those 4
[00:26] <PriceChild> nickrud: we don't choose
[00:26] <nickrud> PriceChild, cc I meant
[00:26] <PriceChild> nickrud: they don't really choose either
[00:27] <nickrud> ? Thought they did, but whomever is going to have some real juggling on their hands
[00:27] <PriceChild> nickrud: the ircc and cc can both take candidates off the list, and technically the cc could nominate someone outright, but they will probably do a vote and whoever wins gets the seats
[00:28] <PriceChild> KOJV: one mo
[00:28] <KOJV> ompaul, btw, why not engage you? Since you were the one to set the ban....
[00:28] <PriceChild> KOJV: he's had to leave
[00:28] <KOJV> PriceChild, okay.
[00:28] <PriceChild> @btlogin
[00:28] <Pici> KOJV: our channel bots are the one who set the ban actually, ompaul just removed you from the channel.
[00:28] <Pici> Hrm.. gmail seems to be doing weird things with the link to my wiki... /me checks in another browser
[00:28] <KOJV> Pici, okay, this "remove" feature, how does it work? Does other networks have it?
[00:29] <Pici> KOJV: Many just use a standard kick, freenode's ircd is a bit different though
[00:29]  * KOJV has never been removed before... only kicked.
[00:29] <KOJV> Pici, ok.
[00:29] <PriceChild> KOJV: operators can force users to part effectively, rather than kick them. It is preferable for several reasons, more help about it can be found in #freenode.
[00:30] <KOJV> PriceChild, okay, thanks.
[00:30] <KOJV> PriceChild, will you remove the ban though?
[00:30] <PriceChild> KOJV: as a formality, could you just read the guidelines for #ubuntu please, then I'll remove the ban
[00:30] <PriceChild> !guidelines
[00:31] <KOJV> PriceChild, sure thing.
[00:33] <KOJV> PriceChild, okay, done.
[00:33] <PriceChild> KOJV: you're free to join #ubuntu.
[00:35] <KOJV> Thank you PriceChild.
[00:39] <Pici> PriceChild: I always thought of you as Joseph, not Joe... /me needs to fix his brain or something now.
[00:39] <PriceChild> Pici: I go by many names.
[00:40] <Pici> I go as Ben or Benjamin, but never Benji.
[00:40] <PriceChild> Some call me... Shatoon, bringer of corn.
[00:41] <Pici> Well... thats just odd.
[00:41] <Pici> Anyway, food time.
[00:41] <PriceChild> Others call me Mickey Nine, the dream weaver.
[00:52] <elkbuntu> if idimmu returns and i'm not here, tell him i saw his apology in scrollback and thanked him
[07:21] <ompaul> please note that I left a certain ip from in.comcast
[07:22] <Flannel> heh
[07:22] <ompaul> jpds did you really want to do this one<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:23] <ompaul> it was also bfed to here
[07:24] <jpds> ompaul: Hmm, no. I was just removing bans from my list at @btlogin.
[07:24] <ompaul> jpds, I remove stuff that is older than one week unless you have something like that netsplit midweek
[07:25] <jpds> *!*@cpc1-cmbg9-0-0-cust648.cmbg.cable.ntl.com!#ubuntu-ops jpds Aug 06 2008 18:16:29
[07:26] <ompaul> ;-)
[08:43] <jpds> z_ back in #u-ot.
[08:54] <ompaul> jpds, keep an eye on #ubuntu I have to run
[09:24] <Myrtti> ho -hum
[09:29] <Myrtti> PriceChild: ping
[09:30]  * Myrtti sighs
[09:30]  * Myrtti curses
[09:31] <Myrtti> I'll go and have a bath before I strangle someone over ethernet.
[09:32] <Myrtti> or make a long-distance phone call and cry my eyes out.
[09:42] <Gary> whats up Myrtti :'(
[09:43] <Myrtti> lets just say although IRC is a big part of my life, I still never thought IRC should be more important than not fainting with stress induced high blood pressure.
[09:43] <Gary> point to point punching over ethernet so needs to be invented
[09:43] <Myrtti> sorry folks.
[09:45] <Myrtti> somehow it strikes me also odd that Pricey signs his emails with "Joe". somehow I've always felt he's too young to be "Joe"
[09:45] <bazhang> Myrtti, IRC is so not worth that level of stress.
[09:45] <Gary> maybe it should be master Joe
[09:46] <nalioth> Gary: it's FSOIP you need to be working on
[09:46] <Myrtti> It's not IRC that makes my blood pressure high
[09:46] <bazhang> cant be helping though
[09:46] <Gary> fs?
[09:46] <Myrtti> well that's sort of the point
[09:46] <Myrtti> Face Stab
[09:46] <Gary> ahhh
[09:46] <bazhang> over ip haha
[09:47] <bazhang> I started taking garlic daily about a year ago and significantly reduced my BP
[09:47] <Gary> Myrtti: if it is that bad, take a short break?
[09:47] <Myrtti> for my own selfesteem and mental health I have to think IRC is a stress factor that I can cut out of my life
[09:47] <Gary> :'(
[09:47] <Myrtti> so if I /part irc channels, it's usually a sign I've got more acute and stressful things going on
[09:48] <bazhang> or just completely clean out the problem elements in -ot
[09:48] <Myrtti> ie. work, relationships, health
[09:48] <nalioth> where are your furry animals, Myrtti ?
[09:48] <bazhang> for a while at least.
[09:48] <Myrtti> but anyway...
[09:48]  * Myrtti sighs at her w.u.c -page
[09:48] <Myrtti> I need a warm an lovely papaya smelling bath.
[09:48]  * elkbuntu cuddles Myrtti
[09:49] <bazhang> there are even tablets that are odorless (ie garlic)
[09:49] <Myrtti> bazhang: omega fatty acids and vitamin D for me
[09:49]  * Myrtti pops her vegan capsules
[09:49] <Myrtti> ridiculously more expensive than non-vegan ones, but they make me happy
[09:50] <Myrtti> nalioth: fighting in their cage
[09:50] <Gary> Myrtti: furry animals, what make and model?
[09:51] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2729982644/ guinea pigs
[09:53] <Gary> awww
[09:53] <nalioth> i recently got a cat, and it thinks that love bites and appreciative flesh clawings are acceptable forms of affection
[09:54] <Gary> sure are
[09:55] <Gary> and bringing home slightly dead wildlife, as presents
[09:55] <nalioth> nah, it never goes outside ( probably why it bites and claws me at random moments )
[09:56] <Gary> maybe it thinks it's a tiger
[09:56] <nalioth> and i can't repeat its name here ( or in proper company )
[09:56] <Myrtti> nalioth: most of the time a cat claws you when it's in your lap, it reminisces being a kitten and suckling to a teat. pushing your thig resembles trying to push more milk to it's mouth.
[09:56] <nalioth> the cat doesn't like laps.  it's just insane.
[09:57] <Myrtti> pink moka pot coffee and french fries!
[09:57] <elkbuntu> nalioth, did you get a cat, or did the cat get a human?
[09:57] <nalioth> it was palmed off on me instead of going to the pound, elkbuntu
[09:57] <elkbuntu> aha
[09:58] <nalioth> no, i'm not a cat person
[09:58] <elkbuntu> i didnt pick you as one
[09:58] <elkbuntu> mind you, the cat probably has too
[09:59] <elkbuntu> hence the claws and teeth
[09:59] <nalioth> but so long as it stays out of my way (and doesn't bite or claw too much) we'll get along just fine
[09:59] <Myrtti> I'm sure it will
[09:59] <Myrtti> cats are like that
[10:01] <nalioth> well, off to have another go at old insomnia ( it's 4:00am here )
[10:02]  * Myrtti sighs again and tries to decide what to do
[10:04] <Gary> Myrtti: go out for walkies
[10:09] <Myrtti> perhaps after breakfast and that bath
[10:25] <Myrtti> moar coffee?
[10:28] <Gary> please
[10:29]  * Myrtti pours
[10:32] <Gary> yay coffee
[11:42] <Myrtti> having a bath with my blood pressure wasn't a good idea
[11:43]  * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti
[11:45] <Myrtti> I think I'll go lie down on the floor. At least I can't drop any lower from there.
[11:46] <elkbuntu> :(
[11:47] <elkbuntu> feeling all droopy and sleepy now?
[11:47] <ikonia> go sleep then
[11:48] <Myrtti> Droopy yeah, sleepy no
[11:48] <elkbuntu> aww
[11:48] <elkbuntu> coffee?
[11:48] <ikonia> I am a problem solver
[11:48] <ikonia> tired = sleep
[11:48] <Myrtti> 15 mins should do
[11:49] <Myrtti> Will dress and get some ice lollies when I feel better
[11:51] <Myrtti> Will someone smack lsdninja at ot
[11:51] <Myrtti> Thanks
[12:01] <PriceChild> Myrtti: for when you get back, PONG!!!
[12:12] <PriceChild> uuuu amarok2 is nice
[12:13] <ikonia> PriceChild: anything specific stands out ?
[12:13] <PriceChild> well i'm using it under gnome and it feels shiny
[12:15] <PriceChild> its also a lot less cluttered, lots less options
[12:16] <PriceChild> where are my micde
[12:16] <PriceChild> mice
[12:16] <ikonia> I may give it a go
[12:18] <PriceChild> makes me tempted to just switch to kde4.1
[12:18] <PriceChild> just to make it look even shinier
[12:19] <elkbuntu> heh
[12:23] <ikonia> kde is never that shiny that it's worth it
[12:24] <elkbuntu> ikonia, it's worth a vm
[12:24] <elkbuntu> when i get my vm setup going
[12:24] <PriceChild> vm setup? you mean you don't just randomly put virtualbox ones all over the place?
[12:25] <ikonia> elkbuntu: maybe......
[12:25] <elkbuntu> ikonia, e17 is worth a vm too... but im not going to run a system with it
[12:25] <ikonia> ahh E17 is old news, never worth effort
[12:28] <elkbuntu> well, offtopic is decidedly sane at the moment
[12:28] <ikonia> good
[12:28] <elkbuntu> now, if only debian would install on this box
[12:29] <elkbuntu> maybe unplugging the usb mouse wasnt such a smart idea
[12:31] <elkbuntu> once i get this box up to monitor the network, i can get this pc up with vmware or some such
[12:34] <elkbuntu> this stupid ralink chip needs to diaf too
[12:35] <PriceChild> I liked my ralink chips, which one have you got
[12:37] <Myrtti> I want to stomp my atheros to pieces
[12:37] <Myrtti> I've compiled madwifi-hal so many times yesterday I'm planning to install Ibex on my laptop
[12:38] <PriceChild> I also like the atheros that I'm using atm. You're both mad.
[12:38] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, whatever one is inside a DWL-G122 B1
[12:38] <Myrtti> i've got AR242*
[12:38] <Myrtti> it sucks.
[12:38] <Myrtti> http://madwifi.org/ticket/1192 does nothing for me
[12:38] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, 2500 i believe
[12:39] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: that's a nice old one that works nicely?
[12:39] <PriceChild> install module-assistant, and install the driver for it there
[12:39] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, sure, i can get debian and hardy to see the device... just not associate
[12:39] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, funnily enough, i need to get on the network to do that
[12:39] <PriceChild> pfft no you don't
[12:40] <PriceChild> just copy packages onto a usb pen
[12:40] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, deps?
[12:40] <PriceChild> there's only half a dozen
[12:40] <PriceChild> use packages.ubuntu to work out deps, and its pretty obvious which ones aren't installed by default
[12:40] <PriceChild> well i guess its not pretty obvious
[12:40] <elkbuntu> i want debian on the box
[12:40] <Myrtti> woo, I found spray-on leave-in conditioner \o/
[12:40] <elkbuntu> so packages.debian instead
[12:40] <PriceChild> no idea about that then
[12:41] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, as i said. it recognises, and can see access points... just not be nice enough to attach
[12:43] <Myrtti> yeah
[12:43] <Myrtti> the latest madwifi with my ar242* does see the access points and can connect to the unencrypted ones, but not wpa2?
[12:43] <Myrtti> it sucks badly
[12:44] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, this one wont even touch unencrypted atm
[12:44] <PriceChild> I have an ar2413 <3
[12:44]  * Myrtti shows her tongue to PriceChild
[12:44] <elkbuntu> i did actually get it on once... but it could only see in the lan, but not google... then i broke that
[12:44] <elkbuntu> so reinstalling debian yet again
[12:45] <elkbuntu> i suspect that was when i tried wep
[12:46] <Myrtti> I'm on fail train
[12:46] <Myrtti> I've lost my best hair brush
[12:46] <elkbuntu> aww
[12:47] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: have you disabled all encryption on the ap and started off trying to associate to that?
[12:47] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, yes
[12:48] <elkbuntu> about to do it again, since i try not to leave it in said state
[12:55]  * elkbuntu dares the install to die again
[12:55] <Myrtti> there's something wrong with my xubuntu-ibex-alternate-amd64 torrend
[12:55] <Myrtti> torrent
[12:56] <Myrtti> no peers.
[12:56] <Myrtti> :-<
[13:01] <elkbuntu> yay, didnt die this time
[13:05] <Myrtti> I hereby challenge the users of Intrepid Ibex and owners of data cable and a phone to participate: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kaijanmaki/+archive
[13:08] <elkbuntu> ooh, is this the thing to integrate the vodafone thing into NM?
[13:08] <Myrtti> partly yes
[13:08] <elkbuntu> ooooh
[13:08] <Myrtti> he's one of my this summers "Kids"
[13:08] <PriceChild> I guess because you're doing that on an n95, that it should work perfectly for me.
[13:09] <Myrtti> also my latest and first recruitment to Nomovok
[13:09] <Myrtti> PriceChild: even if you test if you get the settings right, would be nice
[13:10] <Myrtti> comments can be /msg Wellark
[13:10] <PriceChild> I'm only on Hardy :(
[13:10] <Myrtti> I tried that on hardy
[13:10] <Myrtti> works on it too
[13:10] <Myrtti> but I'm not sure if it's the new network manager that broke my wlan
[13:10] <Myrtti> or the new kernel
[13:11] <PriceChild> uuu launchpad can do dependent ppas now
[13:11] <PriceChild> i'm out oftouch
[13:19]  * Myrtti goes to get those ice lollies
[13:32] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, wanna know something stupid?
[13:33] <PriceChild> sure
[13:33] <elkbuntu> i only downloaded the first debian cd, right, because i only want a simple install.
[13:33] <elkbuntu> everything including module-assistant was on there
[13:33] <elkbuntu> except: html2text and debhelper
[13:33] <elkbuntu> i cant understand why neither are on that disk
[13:34] <elkbuntu> if they're like so important for installing a freaking kernel module
[13:41] <elkbuntu> and this still doesnt work :(
[13:41] <elkbuntu> in fact, it changed absolutely nothing
[13:42]  * elkbuntu tries a reboot
[13:51] <elkbuntu> Ienorand, can we help?
[13:52] <Ienorand> Hi, I'm having trouble joining #ubuntu from #ubuntu-proxy, it says I have access and should try to join but I just get back to #*u-proxy
[13:53] <elkbuntu> aha, the floodbots must have gotten tangled in the last netsplits
[13:53] <elkbuntu> sec
[13:53] <elkbuntu> Ienorand, try leaving -proxy and joining it again please
[13:54] <Ienorand> cheers
[13:55] <Ienorand> nice, works fine now, thanks!
[13:55] <elkbuntu> floodbot1 is the only one who exempts, else they all fight over who gets to and it gets messy ;)
[13:55] <elkbuntu> floodbot3 somehow stole power of #ubuntu
[13:56] <elkbuntu> oh, btw, this is an idle-free zone for non-ops.
[13:57] <Ienorand> oh right, bye
[13:57] <elkbuntu> enjoy
[14:09] <Myrtti> question of the day
[14:09] <Myrtti> did I remember the milk
[14:12] <elkbuntu> ugh, of course it made no difference, 2500 is pci/pcmcia, 2570 is usb
[14:12] <elkbuntu> i have usb
[14:15] <elkbuntu> hrm... watch wols. he's being his usual rude self today
[14:18] <elkbuntu> YAY!
[14:18] <elkbuntu> I HAS WIFI
[14:18] <elkbuntu> hell yeah
[14:18] <elkbuntu> stupid thing telling me i had rt2500 when i had rt2570
[14:19] <PriceChild> is it usb?
[14:19] <elkbuntu> yeah
[14:19] <PriceChild> ah yes, usb then
[14:19] <elkbuntu> i was misreading stuff
[14:19] <PriceChild> didn't realise it made a difference though
[14:19] <elkbuntu> clearly
[14:19] <PriceChild> :D
[14:19] <elkbuntu> ya
[14:19]  * elkbuntu has debian! :D
[14:20] <elkbuntu> pretty crap reception
[14:21] <elkbuntu> ah, no, router just messes with pings to it
[14:22] <elkbuntu> now, encryption kthx
[14:25] <Myrtti> perhaps I should see my doctor about this blood pressure, it's really not normal at all
[14:26] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, it is probably wise
[14:26] <elkbuntu> it's only making you miserable
[14:27] <Myrtti> yup
[14:55]  * Myrtti sighs
[15:16] <elkbuntu> hrm, it's not working now :(
[15:25] <Myrtti> is it possible to indent in moinmoin?
[15:28] <pleia2> Myrtti: http://moinmo.in/HelpOnLists
[15:29]  * Myrtti is a MediaWiki brat
[15:36] <ompaul> Myrtti, what is that about mediawiki :)
[15:36]  * ompaul runs
[15:37] <ompaul> I gotta do stuff l8r
[15:37] <Myrtti> ta-tah
[15:53]  * Myrtti looks at her w.u.c page more content
[15:54] <Myrtti> hm. that ibex disk doesn't seem to be going anywhere in the burn
[16:18]  * elkbuntu is hunting for a terminal emulator that isnt tied to a DE and isnt as horrid as xterm or eterm
[16:18]  * Myrtti points at terminator
[16:19] <elkbuntu> that wants to pull half of gnome in
[16:19]  * Myrtti shrugs
[16:20] <elkbuntu> i dont want half of gnome
[16:20] <Myrtti> I've used it happily with xfce
[16:20] <elkbuntu> i'mm sure you have, but i dont want half of gnome :P
[16:31] <ompaul> aterm
[16:32] <ompaul> tbh they are all nuts
[16:35] <elkbuntu> ugh, no tabbing
[16:43] <elkbuntu> ooh, roxterm, i think i'll try that one
[16:48] <ompaul> konsole
[16:48]  * ompaul rusn
[16:48]  * ompaul runs
[16:48]  * elkbuntu trips ompaul over and kicks him in the kidneys
[16:48] <ompaul> I see you appeal to the spirit of ubuntu there ;-)
[16:49] <ompaul> wterm
[16:49] <elkbuntu> :)
[16:49] <elkbuntu> no, roxterm is good
[16:49] <ompaul> mrxvt
[16:49] <elkbuntu> no
[16:49] <ompaul> now there is a cookie
[17:02] <elkbuntu> <3 openbox
[17:42] <bazhang> oh gosh
[17:43] <bazhang> asking others to vnc into their systems for help
[17:57] <Myrtti> oh dear lord
[17:58] <Myrtti> remind me why I'm at IRCnet's #ubuntu.fi again
[17:58] <PriceChild> I want more ops again.
[18:01] <ompaul> PriceChild, that enough?
[18:01] <PriceChild> very good
[18:01]  * ompaul hides behind Nafallo
[18:02]  * ompaul admits it is not very good someone my size hiding behind him, but maybe someone will say this is not the beard you are looking for and I will escape
[18:02] <ompaul> MUHAHAHAHAHAHA
[18:05] <Myrtti> oh dear god
[18:06] <Myrtti> I'm *NOT* going to say how I read the line  * ompaul hides behind Nafallo
[18:06]  * Myrtti blushes
[18:06] <Myrtti> nevermind, carry on
[18:06] <ompaul> we did already
[18:06] <Myrtti> jolly good.
[18:07] <bazhang> ops for where PriceChild
[18:10]  * jussi01 walks in
[18:10]  * Myrtti huggles jussio1
[18:10] <Myrtti> damned tabcomplete
[18:10] <jussi01> hehe
[18:11]  * jussio1 hugs Myrtti
[18:11] <jussi01> :D
[18:12]  * Myrtti has xubuntu intrepid alpha on her laptop and she regrets it already
[18:13] <PriceChild> Myrtti: how come?
[18:13] <PriceChild> bazhang: just in general.
[18:13] <Myrtti> PriceChild: networkmanager is poop.
[18:13] <bazhang> ok thanks PriceChild
[18:13] <PriceChild> Myrtti: is it the gnome one?
[18:14] <Myrtti> yup
[18:16] <Myrtti> I've also forgotten how ugly this is before tweaking
[18:30] <Myrtti> oh dear
[18:30] <Myrtti> meatballs gone crazy
[19:03]  * Myrtti curses loudly
[19:05] <PriceChild> Hey zenwhen, whats up?
[19:06]  * tritium consoles Myrtti
[19:06] <zenwhen> Hi PriceChild
[19:07] <zenwhen> How have you been
[19:07] <PriceChild> I'm good.
 rand0m: by which he means #ubuntu-cafe
[19:23] <Seveas> new offtopic chan or trolls spamming?
[19:25] <Myrtti> please tell me again why I installed Ibex on the laptop?
[19:27] <Myrtti> hm, he apparently misremembered the name
[19:27] <Myrtti> perhaps that channel could be dropped or forwarded to -offtopic?
[19:27] <Myrtti> if it's not already
[19:27] <Myrtti> there's only him there
[19:27] <Myrtti> PriceChild, nalioth?
[19:28] <Seveas> you're right, he corrected himself a few lines later
[19:28] <Seveas> nothing to see here, please walk on :)
[19:36]  * Myrtti grunts
[19:40]  * Flannel sees an argument approaching in #u between Sev and Gnea
[19:41] <bazhang> heh
[19:41]  * bazhang puts his money on Seveas
[19:47]  * Myrtti just almost passed out with pain
[19:47] <bazhang> Myrtti, oh no.
[19:48] <Myrtti> I was sitting on the floor on a pillow and apparently managed to sit on the pillow in a way that really hit the piriformis muscle
[19:48] <Myrtti> that was fun
[19:48] <bazhang> please take a break Myrtti
[19:48] <Myrtti> well I'm not sitting on the floor again
[19:48] <Myrtti> :-D
[19:48] <bazhang> we always miss you when you are away, but nothing is more important than your health
[19:49] <Myrtti> I should stretch more
[19:49] <bazhang> those eggshell deals are great for back problems
[19:50] <Myrtti> too bad I'm living on oatmeal gruel this month
[19:50] <Myrtti> oh well.
[19:50] <Myrtti> what was I doing again
[19:52] <Myrtti> I'm starting to believe intrepid is as useful at this stage as a barrel full of hammers.
[19:54] <Flannel> Myrtti: actually, I could use a barrel of hammers for quite a few things
[19:55] <Myrtti> well, my friend does know how to cheer me up
[19:55] <Myrtti> he has been using gentoo for a while now
[19:55] <Myrtti> tried to install the new X server
[19:56] <Myrtti> after almost everything was compiled, he realized he's been doing i486 stage3, not i686
[19:56] <Myrtti> and now he has to compile everything all over again
[19:58] <nalioth> Go! Gentoo!
[19:58] <nalioth> i've never understood the need to compile for a home OS
[19:58] <nalioth> if you're building a render farm, go for it
[19:59] <Myrtti> I want to jump and kill my laptop
[20:01] <nalioth> go pet a guinea pig instead
[20:05] <Myrtti> on the other hand, I really do love rsync
[20:19] <nalioth> rsync rocks
[20:29] <Flannel> sigh
[20:30] <Myrtti> indeed
[20:30] <Flannel> Gnea is always a bit heavy with the factoids
[20:31] <Flannel> he'll throw repeat and then patience at you.
[21:43] <Myrtti> hm
[21:44] <Myrtti> apparently webkit is broken.
[22:00] <ompaul_> ff3 has been in there since June :)
[22:00] <ompaul_> topic change
[22:16] <ompaul_> hmm tell me that nick is not taking the proverbial
[22:16] <ompaul_> #u
[22:47] <Pici> hm
[23:03] <Pici> ompaul_: was that needed?
[23:03] <ompaul_> the first warning was the bot
[23:03] <ompaul_> the second one was remove
[23:04] <ompaul_> the next one is ban
[23:04] <Myrtti> now he's on -ot :-<
[23:04] <PriceChild> I don't like the ultimatix factoid.
[23:04] <Myrtti> !ultimatix
[23:04] <Pici> !-ultamatix
[23:04] <Pici> hrm.
[23:05] <Pici> neither do I.
[23:05] <Pici> !automatix
[23:06] <ompaul_> Pici, the problem is the running battles that you will have if you try to do the logical thing with that software
[23:06] <ompaul_> you will be trolled
[23:06] <ompaul_> the removal should cause exactly the response needed
[23:07] <Pici> I respectfully disagree.  We should be informing people, not punishing them when they ask about using that.
[23:08] <ompaul_> Pici, who wrote the factoid?
[23:08]  * ompaul_ is a bit clumsy
[23:08] <Pici> ompaul_: see above
[23:08] <Myrtti> since when has stupidity been bannable offence? and I mean plain stupidity, not stubborness as it usually is the case with troublemakers
[23:08] <ompaul_> ack
[23:09] <ompaul_> ok so then make it a mute
[23:09] <ompaul_> and we chat with them
[23:09] <ompaul_> as in no remove, however it will be implied
[23:09] <PriceChild> I don't think factoids should be the place for threats/operator guidelines.
[23:09] <Pici> no ultamatix is <reply> Ultamatix is not recommended, supported, or needed by Ubuntu. Please do not suggest its use in this channel.  See !automatix for more information?
[23:09] <Pici> Does that sound good?
[23:09] <Pici> PriceChild: Agreed.
[23:11]  * ompaul_ must be getting old and cynical
[23:11] <ompaul_> ok the first is a given
[23:12] <ompaul_>  Ultamatix is not recommended, it is not supported, or for that matter needed by Ubuntu. Please Do Not suggest its use in this channel.
[23:13] <ompaul_> if you are going to point to !automatix remember that mjg now works for RH
[23:13] <ompaul_> it might be embarrassing at some level at some time
[23:14] <nalioth> link !automatix to it
[23:14] <ompaul_>  I feel you are asking to be trolled
[23:14] <erUSUL> inbitado34 banned from #ubuntu for asking about ultimatix ?
[23:14] <ompaul_> no
[23:14] <Pici> !ultamatix
[23:14] <ompaul_> muted
[23:15] <erUSUL> was *
[23:15] <ompaul_> sorry removed
[23:15] <Pici> nalioth: will do.
[23:15] <erUSUL> ompaul_: ok
[23:15] <erUSUL> may i ask why ?
[23:16] <ompaul_> erUSUL, see what the bot said
[23:16] <ompaul_> ubottu> ultamatix is not supported by Ubuntu. It can cause system damage and should not be used, if you need support with it please go to http://forumubuntusoftware.info/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1365 for support. If you refer or suggest users install Ultamatix you are subject to a warning the first time, a removal from channel for second time and a ban for the third time.
[23:16] <ompaul_> ubottu, botsnack
[23:16] <ompaul_> exactly mr garrett works for Red Hat these days ;-)
[23:16] <Pici> So?
[23:17] <ompaul_> I found it funny
[23:17] <PriceChild> forumubuntusoftware.info?
[23:17] <ompaul_> no
[23:17] <ompaul_> they got it or can get it
[23:17] <ompaul_> you would not point to getautomatix
[23:17] <Pici> PriceChild: requires you to login to even see that page...
[23:18] <Pici> !automatix
[23:18] <Pici> er
[23:18] <Pici> !ultamatix
[23:18]  * ompaul_ sees that as wrong but anyways
[23:19] <Pici> Why?
[23:19]  * Myrtti gives boys a cookie
[23:19] <Myrtti> you too, ompaul
[23:19]  * ompaul_ munches
[23:19] <Pici> Myrtti: ty :)
[23:19] <ompaul_> ta
[23:19] <ompaul_> Pici, the guy no longer works for canonical
[23:19] <Pici> So we can't link to the analysis that he made of Automatix?
[23:19] <Myrtti> ompaul_: I don't see it as a problem
[23:20] <Myrtti> I don't understand why it would be a problem
[23:20] <Myrtti> he made the analysis before starting to work for RH
[23:20] <ompaul_> I know that
[23:20] <Myrtti> I don't mind people referencing to my work I've done on COSS
[23:21] <Myrtti> I'm fairly sure that if he'd see referencing to that as a problem, he would've taken the entry down
[23:21] <Myrtti> of course, someone could ask
[23:21] <ompaul_> now then, I am almost happy ;-)
[23:22] <Myrtti> ompaul_: since you are so worried, why don't *you* ask him :-P
[23:22]  * Myrtti hides
[23:22] <ompaul_> I am not worried, I considered it bad form to assume
[23:23] <ompaul_> that was all
[23:24] <ompaul_> he is part of the community, he did that job as part of his day to day work - he may feel the need to move on and it might be a legacy thing he no longer wants to be hanging around, automatix is dead so why keep its memory alive with that
[23:25]  * ompaul_ chooses to shut up now
[23:25] <Pici> If we don't remember the past, we are doomed to repeat it.,
[23:26] <ompaul_> Pici, now if I was to reply to that I would have to say "happy trolldom with the gentle factoid", we had this with automatix it was a clock cycle consumer
[23:26] <ompaul_> but that was only if I was to reply
[23:26] <ompaul_> so given I didn't ;-)
[23:28] <ompaul_>  /nick angry_clueless_op
[23:32] <ompaul_> Pici, which is by the way me agreeing with, "if we don't remember the past"
[23:32] <ompaul_> automatix took so much energy it was sad
[23:33] <ompaul_> and given who is involved, we really have to think the same energy is required to deal with them again
[23:34] <ompaul_> so therein lies my "logic" for supporting the initial factoid
[23:34] <Myrtti> ompaul_: if the damned thing had had the decency to stay dead and buried, I'd agree with you
[23:34] <Myrtti> but since it's risen from the ashes like the black crow of doom...
[23:34] <ompaul_> Myrtti, and the gentle factoid will only encourage people to push barriers
[23:35] <Myrtti> it still not be encouraged or supported
[23:35] <ompaul_> the first one is plain and simple - if you say this you are being a .... -therefore we will sanction you
[23:35] <Myrtti> ompaul_: we never had that kind of factoid for automatix
[23:35] <Myrtti> why should we have one now for ultamatix?
[23:36] <Myrtti> we all and many others sure made it clear automatix wasn't supported in #ubuntu
[23:36] <ompaul_> to prevent the impact that the softly softly approach that automatix encouraged
[23:36] <ompaul_> we had running battles for a while
[23:37] <ompaul_> yes indeed folks the hazy summer of 06 and the battles royal for channel control
[23:37] <ompaul_> being called Seveas's lackeys ;-)
[23:38] <ompaul_> actually it was 05
[23:38] <ompaul_> but whatever
[23:40] <nalioth> i don't think we should treat it like an exploit, but it is close
[23:41] <ompaul_> nalioth, broken boxes are not exploited?
[23:41] <ompaul_> that sounds like a company I know of where if no data is lost then it is not an outage ;-)
[23:41] <ompaul_> and you know some kinds of data loss are not data loss
[23:41] <ompaul_> :)
[23:41] <ompaul_> I know of such a company
[23:41] <ompaul_> and it is not where I work
[23:42] <nalioth> ompaul_: well, if i treated it like an exploit, i'd have to have a few more cars for the train
[23:42] <ompaul_> well done nathan distracting me like that ;-)
[23:50] <ompaul_> so we can agree to disagree on that one item


[09:11] <rock> Hi. I have a question.  For suppose acc. to openstack-base bundle requirements I have taken machines. Which node I have to take as main node to deploy bundle? Once I deploy bundle how that bundle distribute service charms to hardware machines that we have taken?
[09:11] <rock>  please provide me the network architeture of {MAAS+openstack base bundle]  based openstack setup.
[10:09] <zeestrat> rock: The best you will find without diving into documentation is Dimiter's blogposts: http://blog.naydenov.net/category/juju/. Now please stop spamming all the channels with the same questions.
[10:16] <rock> zeestart: Sorry. And Thanks for your answer.
[10:23] <zeestrat> rock: No worries. Good luck and have a good weekend!
[10:24] <rock> zeestrat: Hmm. Thanks. Have a good weekend!
[12:40] <rock> Hi. For JUJU Version 1.25.6-trusty-amd64  I am getting “ERROR cannot load cookies: file locked for too long; giving up: cannot acquire lock: open /home/ubuntu/.go-cookies.lock: permission denied”  issue while deploying our “Kaminario-openstack” charm on Ubuntu-OpenStack-Autopilot Setup.
[12:42] <rock> Issue pasted info :http://paste.openstack.org/show/566401/
[12:42] <rock> please provide me some solution for this.


[04:19] <TheMuso> c
[12:54] <lool> Hey folks
[12:54] <lool> ov51x-jpeg (1.5.9-1) unstable; urgency=low
[12:54] <lool> * New upstream release, fixes compilation on 2.6.27 kernels.
[12:55] <lool> Does someone have the hardware or could review whether we can sync that over?
[12:55] <lool> I'd think yes, but as I don't have such a webcam...
[12:55] <lool> davidm has one though
[12:56] <IntuitiveNipple> I have a DKMS package of that one
[12:56] <lool> in intrepid?
[12:57] <IntuitiveNipple> I saw Sergio's patch to fix compilation issues over the weekend, was intending pushing the DKMS to my PPA later
[12:58] <IntuitiveNipple> But, need to do some regression testing first
[13:06] <lool> IntuitiveNipple: It might be easier to just sync over the old-style package for intrepid?
[13:08] <IntuitiveNipple> I maintain a bunch of DKMS web-cam driver packages, this is just one of them
[14:41] <laga> amitk: so, how's aufs looking? ;)
[15:50] <ivoks> um...
[15:50] <ivoks> would it be possible to pull 8.2.7~rc1 version of drbd?
[15:51] <ivoks> that would make it usable again in intrepid :)
[16:54] <smb_tp> munckfish, Didn't you have something you wanted in intrepid linux-ports. There has been more need for a re-spin. So if you are quick... ;-)
[16:55] <munckfish> smb_tp: nah I'm still to identify the fix I need
[16:55] <munckfish> smb_tp: thx for letting me know
[16:55] <munckfish> What's the other "need for a re-spin"?
[16:56] <munckfish> smb_tp: is it the GFS stuff? I never did get to testing that stuff for that guy
[16:57] <smb_tp> munckfish, NP. Ok, then I just go forward with the current stuff. Yes, GFS and GNBD from fabbione
[17:01] <munckfish> I appreciate some advice - I'm getting an intermittent hang on shutdown on PS3, and I'm not sure where to start finding a fix ...
[17:01] <munckfish> I've tested various incarnations of out 2.6.25 based ports kernel in the last few weeks
[17:01] <munckfish> and each time the problem has come back
[17:01] <munckfish> but in a slightly different way:-
[17:02] <munckfish> Basically it seems to carry out most of the shutdown procedure
[17:02] <munckfish> but sometimes it just doesn't actually poweroff, or reboot
[17:02] <munckfish> So I tried typing Alt+SysRq+o to poweroff
[17:03] <munckfish> what I get is a oops/trace in the console
[17:03] <munckfish> Unfortunately the top of the oops is off screen so I can't see it
[17:03] <munckfish> but the stack traces seem to be fairly consistent
[17:04] <munckfish> with some kernels the trace ends in snd_card_free_prepare
[17:04] <munckfish> others in lpm_shutdown
[17:05] <munckfish> each time I build a different kernel the trace consistently highlights a different function
[17:05] <munckfish> which makes me think it's nothing wrong with the code in any of these places
[17:05] <munckfish> could it be running out of memory?
[17:05] <munckfish> anyway - any advice or suggestions would be gratefully received :)
[17:14] <smb> munckfish, Hm, sorry, seems I stressed some of my network a bit too much. :-[ It is probably past using the logfile. OTherwise alt+sysrq+w might probably show something. But the output is usually long and if syslogd is already down it doesn't helpt much
[17:16] <munckfish> smb: yep I think I tried alt+sysrq+w and yes it was off screen. I'll try again next time and take a closer look at it's output
[17:19] <smb> munckfish, It might also be useful to know around which step of the shutdown/reboot this happens. Do you usually run without quiet and splash?
[17:22] <munckfish> Ok I'll try to identify the last step more definitely. I'll switch off splash temporarily
[17:23] <munckfish> heh, actually usplash doens't run anymore on boot for me PS3 in intrepid, I trying to work out why that is too. Seems something is missing from initramfs which was there in hardy.
[17:23] <munckfish> (crickey my typing is rubbish today)
[17:26] <smb> heh, mine is usually bad, so I won't notice... ;-)
[17:32] <CarlFK> if a box boots, then hibernates to disk and powers off, then boots, then wakes up the hibernate - there is no log from the 2nd boot is there ?
[17:32] <mjg59> Correct
[17:32] <CarlFK> (trying to figure out why my dmesg dosn't look right)
[17:33] <CarlFK> good.  I'll reboot and play closer attention :)
[17:38] <fabbione> 3
[17:42] <CarlFK> smb: not sure I pointed this out before: the "AC prevents/masks pauses" only occurs if I flip from battery to AC.  if I have AC plugged in from the start, it pauses, and tapping a key just advances to the next pause.  plugging in AC after it has booted = no more pauses
[17:42] <CarlFK> which seems odd.
[17:44] <smb_tp_> CarlFK, Yes, it wasn't that clear until last time on irc. Unfortunately I had not much time to work on that since then. :(
[18:19] <munckfish> smb: thx for the suggestions. I'll see if I can gather more info in the next couple of days.
[19:19] <bronson> console-kit-dae seems to be involved with a kernel panic on boot.
[19:20] <bronson> Something like that, it flashes by awfully fast.
[20:05] <bronson> Here are the panics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7162611@N04/sets/72157607581668003/
[20:06] <bronson> Any ideas?
[20:06] <bronson> Should I open a bug?
[20:15] <smb_tp_> bronson, 2 of the 3 have apparmor. The other on fork might perhaps also fall there. Maybe check whether there are bugs open against that. Otherwise, open one. Those traces surely will be useful
[20:22] <smb_tp_> bronson, Oh, and if there is already a bug, add your screenshots there. Anyways if you could mention the bug# here...
[20:24] <bronson> not sure how to find Intrepid kernel bugs in Launchpad...
[20:24] <bronson> ah, found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid
[20:26] <bronson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs?field.searchtext=apparmor&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=
[20:26] <bronson> &field.has_no_package=
[20:26] <bronson> No results...  does this mean that there are no bugs filed against apparmor?
[20:30] <smb_tp_> bronson, seems like there currently is nothing. Ok, open a new one against the linux package. Title maybe "kernel panic in apparmor code"...
[20:31] <bronson> OK.


[08:17] <Chipaca> 👋
[08:26] <bthomas> Morning Chipaca
[08:27] <bthomas> Chipaca: If a hook changes Config will the change persist in the next hook that is called ? Of course I know one can use StoredState for persistence.
[08:28] <Chipaca> bthomas: can a hook change config?
[08:30] <bthomas> Chipaca: Have not tried or looked into code. I was under the impression it is an associative array. Guessing by your question, it can not.
[08:30] <Chipaca> bthomas: we have a test that would fail if you could
[08:30] <bthomas> Chipaca: Nice. Thanks for clarifying. Back to StoredState :)
[09:50] <bthomas> Chipaca: In https://github.com/canonical/prometheus-operator/pull/3/files Justin added a function _get_image_tag which required mocking in every test. jam felt we may have a problem with "layering" here. I do not see any other alternative than the once I have suggested in the review comment. IMHO the right "layer" for such functionality is lower down the stack, in Juju or Operator Framework. Thoughts ?
[09:55] <bthomas> Refering to this comment : https://github.com/canonical/prometheus-operator/pull/3/files#r497074340
[10:58] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[10:58] <Chipaca> facubatista: 👋❗
[10:58] <Chipaca> bthomas: looking
[10:59] <bthomas> नमस्ते facubatista
[10:59] <facubatista> hola Chipaca, bthomas :)
[11:01] <bthomas> Thanks Chipaca
[11:16] <bthomas> Chipaca: you made a suggetion to avoid mentioning class name, for example `ConfigChanged` in the doc string of `ConfigChangedEvent`. I will follow through and update all such instances. However I noticed that for these event classes, the one line summary docstring is usually written as "Represents the `config-canged` hook from Juju". Would it reasonable to alter such lines as "An event triggered on configuration change" then lo
[11:16] <bthomas> in the same doc string, metion that this event "invokes the `config_changed` hook".
[11:59] <Chipaca> bthomas: in meetings; i'll get back to you when i can
[11:59] <bthomas> no problem
[12:25] <jam> bthomas, if we were using resources directly, juju would be providing the digest for you to be using. I'm not a huge fan of hitting the docker registry from the charm (it has all sorts of implications for offline deploys, etc)
[12:25] <jam> but I can accept it as a "way to get channel like behavior for now"
[12:30] <bthomas> jam Thanks for the insight. I appreciate our current constraints. I have responded to Justin's question regarding "layering" by suggesting doing the patching at setUp and tearDown. This should obviate the impact on all tests, if it is acceptable.
[12:58] <jam> bthomas, so ideally it would be more something that we could inject into the charm via a parameter, rather than being patched (IMO). (intended to be configured, vs 'look here is a way to get what I want')
[12:58] <jam> and then we would have direct tests of the request based behavior, but split out from the other tests
[13:41] <bthomas> jam I do agree with you that using a configuration mechanism (a means of injecting) makes testing simpler. My quandary is that the present requirements do require replacing (partially) a config parameter with a dynamically (runtime) generated one.
[13:41] <jam> bthomas, so I mentioned on the bug.  I think we do want StoredState to prevent unrelated changes from causing us to upgrade a patch version of the application
[13:42] <jam> we should confirm with jldev regarding how we get "smooth transitions of application versions" when we have channels
[13:42] <jam> and try to mimic that behavior
[13:42] <jam> but my understanding is that it isn't "pods are updated automatically when things are pushed to the rocks store"
[13:43] <bthomas> got it. Thanks.
[14:24]  * bthomas nudges Chipaca regarding rewording the one line descriptions of event classes ^
[14:25] <bthomas> :)
[14:30] <aluria> hi o/ - I had a look to the grafana-operator and prometheus-operator code (to better understand the approach I should take to enable relations between charms) and I have a couple of questions
[14:31] <Chipaca> aluria: 👋
[14:31] <Chipaca> shoot
[14:32] <aluria> 1) minor doubt: I think the grafana-source interface should be set in metadata.yaml the other way around. I think it doesn't mind from the point of view of sharing data but the prometheus-operator defines grafana-source in "requires" when it should be in "provides", as it sets host/IP and port for the grafana charm to configure the datasource endpoint
[14:33] <aluria> (same, grafana-operator should have the grafana-source interface as requires, because it will use "get" methods)
[14:35] <aluria> 2) the other Q is that I've seen some code using EventSource and .emit, but I don't quite understand it. I don't see a .observe counterpart and I'm not sure if the way that would work would be similar to the reactive framework use of states (set_flag and then is_flag_set or @when)
[14:35] <aluria> in the grafana and prometheus operator charms, I think they only take care of the -joined, -changed and -departed hooks being observe. EventSource is not used
[14:37] <aluria> 3) [sorry, bonus Q] the prometheus-operator uses StoredState - iiuc, that should be used in a similar way as unitdata is used in charmhelpers? (make use of previously retrieved data to avoid a call to relation-get, etc.) ?
[14:37] <aluria> Chipaca: ^ :)
[14:41] <Chipaca> aluria: just in case, could you link to the code you're talking about?
[14:46] <aluria> Chipaca: https://github.com/canonical/grafana-operator and https://github.com/canonical/prometheus-operator
[14:47] <Chipaca> hmm, justin isn't on irc
[14:47] <Chipaca> bthomas: ^ but you're right there :)
[14:50] <bthomas> aluria With regard to Q1, it may help to think of Grafana as a "Dashboard Service Provider" and Prometheus as a data source that "requires a dashboard service".
[14:52] <bthomas> With regard to Q2 at least as far as Prometheus was concerned there was no need to emit any event. It was suffecient to just handle events emitted by Juju.
[14:52] <aluria> bthomas: re Q2, an example of using .emit is here https://github.com/johnsca/interface-mysql/blob/master/interface_mysql.py#L68 and the "on_changed" method... it looks like when the config-changed hook runs, ".emit" will trigger a -relation-changed hook, right? Is that the use case?
[14:54] <aluria> re: Q1, ok if that works for you - I usually relate "provides" with the need of "relation-set" calls, while "requires" needs "relation-get" calls
[14:55] <bthomas> aluria: a quick looks shows that that charm is emitting an event database_lost because it had a record of a database connection which now seems to have gone.
[14:56] <bthomas> aluria: with regard to Q1 you may want to further discuss this with jam and jldev who are experts on the matter.
[14:56] <bthomas> With regard to Q3, all I can say is that StoredState is used to persist data across hook invocations. Use it if you have a use case for it.
[14:58] <Chipaca> aluria: in general a component (not a charm) would create custom events and emit() them when whatever situation they're modeling happens
[14:59] <Chipaca> aluria: users of that component would observe those events if they needed to react to them, but it's fine if they don't
[14:59] <Chipaca> same as your charm doesn't need to write handlers for all juju events
[14:59] <bthomas> Chipaca: what do you mean by "component" as opposed to charm.
[14:59] <Chipaca> aluria: a database interface for example
[15:00] <Chipaca> aluria: interfaces, in general
[15:00] <Chipaca> aluria: i have seen some charms creating custom events and emiting them instead of just calling a function, but it's a bad smell
[15:00] <Chipaca> ie it wouldn't pass review
[15:01] <aluria> that would be similar to interfaces in the reactive framework, when they use set_flag and clear_flag?
[15:01] <aluria> good to know re: emitting vs calling a func directly
[15:14] <justinclark> Chipaca and aluria I'm here for any Grafana-specific questions now. Sorry for not being on here sooner
[15:21] <Chipaca> justinclark: 1 sec
 1) minor doubt: I think the grafana-source interface should be set in metadata.yaml the other way around. I think it doesn't mind from the point of view of sharing data but the prometheus-operator defines grafana-source in "requires" when it should be in "provides", as it sets host/IP and port for the grafana charm to configure the datasource endpoint
 (same, grafana-operator should have the grafana-source interface as requires, because it will use "get" methods)
[15:21] <aluria> justinclark: hey, sorry was on a call - this is the backlog https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/jGpsppkjHV/
 2) the other Q is that I've seen some code using EventSource and .emit, but I don't quite understand it. I don't see a .observe counterpart and I'm not sure if the way that would work would be similar to the reactive framework use of states (set_flag and then is_flag_set or @when)
 in the grafana and prometheus operator charms, I think they only take care of the -joined, -changed and -departed hooks being observe. EventSource is not used
 3) [sorry, bonus Q] the prometheus-operator uses StoredState - iiuc, that should be used in a similar way as unitdata is used in charmhelpers? (make use of previously retrieved data to avoid a call to relation-get, etc.) ?
[15:22] <aluria> oh, that will also work :D
[15:22] <Chipaca> justinclark: that's all the Qs :)
[15:22] <Chipaca> heh, sorry
[15:24] <aluria> Chipaca: thx for the info re: interfaces and the use of .emit - I have to review that and find what is the suggested approach. I'll have a close look to the database interface (shared before), the prometheus interface (https://git.launchpad.net/interface-prometheus/tree/operator.py#n74) and see what it fits me in my current case
[15:27] <Chipaca> justinclark: wrt the 'v' prefix, you could use packaging instead of semver
[15:27] <Chipaca> ie from packaging.version import parse
[15:27] <Chipaca> parse('1.2.3') == parse('v1.2.3')
[15:29] <justinclark> Chipaca thanks - let me take a look. I *really* don't like the current handling of the 'v' prefix
[15:51]  * facubatista -> lunch
[15:53] <bthomas> Nice. I am liking package.version. If that works for you justinclark then there may be no need to retain both original tag and parsed tag. Kudos Chipaca
[16:01] <justinclark> bthomas it looks like Prometheus has inconsistent version strings sometimes so I think it would still be safer to retain the original tag. But this does get rid of the need to remove 'v' which is really nice.
[16:04] <bthomas> justinclark: exactly I did notice that. As mentioned in my review comment that is why I found your solution to keep both original tags and parsed tags an acceptable solution to deal with this evil situation :). But thanks to Chipaca looks like you have a better solution now.
[16:06] <justinclark> Well, even with packaging, it is not straightforward how we consistently reconstruct version strings like: "v2.21.0-rc.0" and "0.16.0rc1". Both of which are real examples of tags Prometheus has
[16:07] <justinclark> I'm just thinking we should be safe and keep the original string rather than assume we can recreate the original.
[16:07] <bthomas> sucks
[16:07]  * bthomas start barking loudly
[16:09] <bthomas> justinclark: they seem to be more consistent on recent versions though.
[16:09] <bthomas> anyway you decide
[16:10] <justinclark> I saw that too. I think I'll keep the current version for now just in case the format changes in the future. Hopefully it will save future developers the headache.
[16:11] <bthomas> I am tempted to ask the question on the prometheus forum if the have a well defined format for the version tags ? ;-)
[16:24] <Chipaca> a shame packaging doesn't hang on to the original string, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:26] <justinclark> Haha that would certainly give me confidence to reconstruct the version, bthomas.
[16:27] <bthomas> yep. Again perhaps we should highlight your use case and create an issue on their issue tracker.
[16:47]  * justinclark lunch
[17:47] <aluria> cory_fu: hi - would you have ~10min? I'm trying to understand what this does https://github.com/johnsca/charm-gitlab-k8s/blob/c2423f4ec2718a0b5acebe0242f88aa0a1706f39/src/charm.py#L38
[17:47] <aluria> I guess I don't understand the second arg (self), and if it calls the on_database_lost method
[17:48] <aluria> I did see the .emit call comes from https://github.com/johnsca/interface-mysql/blob/master/interface_mysql.py#L97
[18:38] <Chipaca> aluria: that no longer works, but when it did it was equivalent to self.framework.observe(self.mysql.on.database_lost, self.on_database_lost)
[19:59]  * facubatista eods, will be back on Friday


[00:03] <dsas> billybigrigger: The introduction doesn't really tell me what grub does, could you relate it differently
[00:04] <dsas> "grub is the first bit of software that runs, it allows you to choose which operating system to use and then start it"
[00:06] <dsas> billybigrigger: You may want to link to your page from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[18:42] <IamDaveMyers> hello all...
[19:51] <ubu-noob> For all those who are interested, please check out my mockup of what the new Ubuquity slideshow might look like at: http://ubuntuwtf.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/my-mockup-suggestion-for-ubiquity-slideshow/  I apologize that it's on a separate blog.  I tried using Launchpad, but it was just too confusing for a noob like me.  Please check out the mockup.  I am eager to hear any constructive feedback you might have.   I've also posted a m


[03:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: calamares-settings-ubuntu (bionic-proposed/primary) [1]
[03:21] <tsimonq2> xnox: That's the settings package ^^^^^
[08:45] <LocutusOfBorg> can we please have debhelper migrate? dahdi-linux is regressed in release (dkms build failure due to new kernel?), and kdelibs4support needs fixes during qt transition, not a problem of debhelper itself
[08:46] <LocutusOfBorg> any AA please ^^
[09:22] <doko> tsimonq2: you should ask the package owner. but why is it necessary now?
[09:24] <LocutusOfBorg> because qt
[09:24] <LocutusOfBorg> it is on my ppa https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa
[09:24] <LocutusOfBorg> but I don't want to start a new transition, even if it seems necessary
[12:53] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3045
[12:53] <LocutusOfBorg> why can't I create a ppa? damn
[12:54] <LocutusOfBorg> oh doko already did it
[12:54] <LocutusOfBorg> I was going to try that in silo
[12:56] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: We just had a datacentre outage, so it may take a little while for things to get back to normal.
[12:56] <LocutusOfBorg> no cjwatson my problem is that I'm not able to create a ppa
[12:56] <LocutusOfBorg> I create the ticket, but the ppa doesn't get created
[12:57] <LocutusOfBorg> and I tried this at least 5 times, there are 5 tickets assigned to me without a ppa
[12:57] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: Do you not think that a datacentre outage that took out Launchpad might be related to that?
[12:57] <LocutusOfBorg> (BTW I saw the outage because I can't download ffmpeg anymore) thanks for that
[12:57] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, yes, it might be related, but I tried 5 times in a timeframe of some months
[12:57] <cjwatson> Ah, dunno then.
[12:57] <LocutusOfBorg> I might have been so unlucky if I got all datacenter issues :)
[12:58] <LocutusOfBorg> but... should the ppa get created automatically?
[12:58] <cjwatson> I don't recall enough about how bileto works, sorry.  I'd have thought so, though possibly there's some specific action you need to take in bileto to cause that.
[12:59] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/active?landers=LocutusOfBorg
[12:59] <LocutusOfBorg> anyway, maybe I'll have some luck if I retry on monday, but since ffmpeg is already uploaded, I will just don't care until next time I need s390x services
[12:59] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks! good luck with the outage! https://xkcd.com/705/
[13:02] <LocutusOfBorg> ok deleted all my active tickets
[13:02] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[14:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdevelop [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4:5.2.0-2ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[14:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdevelop [i386] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4:5.2.0-2ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
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[15:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdevelop [s390x] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4:5.2.0-2ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[15:09] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, the -O2 ffmpeg workardound seems to be not working :(
[15:10] <doko> yes, looking closer
[15:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdevelop [armhf] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4:5.2.0-2ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
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[15:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdevelop [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4:5.2.0-2ubuntu1]
[15:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdevelop [armhf] (bionic-proposed) [4:5.2.0-2ubuntu1]
[15:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdevelop [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [4:5.2.0-2ubuntu1]
[15:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdevelop [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [4:5.2.0-2ubuntu1]
[15:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdevelop [s390x] (bionic-proposed) [4:5.2.0-2ubuntu1]
[15:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdevelop [i386] (bionic-proposed) [4:5.2.0-2ubuntu1]
[16:19] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, your last ffmpeg upload looks so interesting
[16:19] <LocutusOfBorg> (btw revert last change seems to be not true http://launchpadlibrarian.net/346252076/ffmpeg_7%3A3.4-2ubuntu1_7%3A3.4-2ubuntu2.diff.gz )
[16:19] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[16:25] <tsimonq2> doko: (although probably not needed to say now, what LocutusOfBorg said was true)
[16:26] <tsimonq2> Anyone around to process calamares-settings-ubuntu? :)
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debian-installer (xenial-proposed/main) [20101020ubuntu451.15 => 20101020ubuntu451.16] (core)
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debian-installer [source] (xenial-proposed) [20101020ubuntu451.16]
[19:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debian-installer (xenial-proposed/main) [20101020ubuntu451.16 => 20101020ubuntu451.17] (core)
[19:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debian-installer [source] (xenial-proposed) [20101020ubuntu451.17]
[23:35] <doko> it's a pita to give back autopkg tests with additional triggers. is there no way to remember these?