[01:11] <alesage> elopio I'm having trouble getting a raw UnityTestCase going, can't get past a missing def for GRID_UNIT_PX, don't appear to be doing anything differently from any other unity8 test, any ideas?
[01:13] <elopio> alesage: yes, I saw that last week. I don't know where that var went, and we need to make that use a default value if there is none.
[01:13] <elopio> that won't happen on the phone
[01:14] <elopio> GRID_UNIT_PX=13
[01:14] <alesage> elopio eeenteresting, ok
[01:14] <elopio> and you can set the value anyway.
[01:14] <alesage> elopio, ok I'll set up a temporary check
[08:07] <elfy> pitti: you got a minute - been looking at systemd-sysv in a vm - supposed to see upstart stanza in grub afterwards, not here - grub doesn't appear to change, but it DOES boot with systemd seemingly - both before and after grub.cfg's here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9726418/
[08:08] <pitti> elfy: hey!
[08:08] <elfy> not sure if I'm going mad - or there is in fact something up with that ;)
[08:08] <pitti> elfy: can you try what happens after "sudo update-grub"?
[08:08] <elfy> and good morning to you :)
[08:08] <pitti> elfy: save the previous file first, for diffing
[08:08] <elfy> oh bah
[08:08] <elfy> forgot that :D
[08:08] <pitti> elfy: well, I'm not sure whether you are supposed to run this manually; I think it should happen automatically
[08:09] <pitti> but first, does that actually work? (this was just a wild guess)
[08:10] <elfy> pitti: never mind - just an elfy fail ...
[08:10] <pitti> ?
[08:10] <elfy> not really thinking - just did what https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers#Permanent_switch says
[08:10] <elfy> now that I've also updated grub it all looks right :)
[08:11] <pitti> elfy: I at least add that there
[08:11] <elfy> might be good - others might just follow that without thinking as well :D
[08:12] <pitti> elfy: done
[08:12] <pitti> elfy: many thanks for pointing this out!
[08:12] <elfy> other than that - not had any problems at all for this cycle with systemd
[08:13] <elfy> the only nvidia update I had worked ok - last cycle had a couple of issues there
[08:13] <pitti> elfy: nice!
[08:13] <pitti> many thanks for verifying the instructions
[08:13] <elfy> welcome :)
[08:14] <elfy> pitti: what's the current plan for defaulting to systemd?
[08:15] <pitti> elfy: we'll have the mini-sprint this week to convert remaining upstart jobs, then some more items to fix on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1411-systemd-migration
[08:15] <pitti> elfy: so I hope we can flip the switch end of Jan/start of Feb
[08:15] <pitti> for desktop/server/cloud
[08:15] <pitti> touch might take a little longer, but is relatively independent
[08:15] <pitti> and then next cycle address session upstart
[08:15] <pitti> sorry, need to run out for a doctor appointment, bbl
[08:17] <elfy> thanks for the info - cya :)
[14:20] <elopio> good morning!
[14:21] <elopio> balloons, alesage, charles: for this week that we don't have to wait for veebers, we could make the stand up meeting earlier and then rhuddie won't have to stay late.
[14:21] <elopio> is it ok for you to move the meeting 3 hours?
[14:22] <rhuddie> elopio, good morning. sounds good to me :)
[14:49] <paulliu> elopio: I pushed a commit to the branch.
[14:49] <paulliu> elopio: BTW, can I run a method of a QML object?
[14:50] <paulliu> elopio: I mean, if we directly call IndicatorsMenu.show(), we can just open it rather than use the input stuff.
[14:50] <elopio> paulliu: nice, I'm looking at it.
[14:50] <elopio> you can't call a qml method.
[14:52] <elopio> paulliu: and I think you can't edit the checked property. Does that work?
[14:52] <paulliu> elopio: yeah. I think I'll change it with the input click.
[14:53] <elopio> paulliu: we have a Checkbox custom proxy object
[14:53] <elopio> self.select_single(ubuntuuitoolkit.CheckBox, objectName='switcher')
[14:53] <paulliu> elopio: Also I cannot open the tab because it needs to be done in the main_window.
[14:53] <elopio> and then you will have methods to check and uncheck.
[14:53] <paulliu> elopio: ok. cool. I'll use it.
[14:53] <elopio> paulliu: which tab?
[14:54] <paulliu> elopio: I mean the IndicatorsMenu...
[14:54] <paulliu> elopio: the current open method in my commit doesn't work because the height is not enough to open it.
[14:55] <elopio> paulliu: I think it should be self.globalRect.y + self.globalRect.height
[14:55] <paulliu> elopio: ok
[14:55] <elopio> I will give a try to your branch soon. But you are of course in the right track.
[14:56] <paulliu> elopio: Let me fix the issues, and then I'll ping you.
[14:56] <elopio> ok
[15:22] <charles> elopio, balloons, alesage, I can't make today's meeting if we move it 3 hours earlier (ie, ~1h from now) but feel free to go without me; alesage can report our progress
[15:45] <alesage> rhuddie, I'm ok with moving mtg btw
[15:53] <alesage> elopio, meeting in half an hour or so ok with moi
[15:54] <elopio> balloons: charles? ^ are you ok too?
[15:54] <balloons> elopio, meeting in 5 mins?
[15:54] <balloons> I can do it
[15:54] <elopio> balloons: 35
[15:55] <balloons> ahh, I can do that too
[16:06] <paulliu> elopio: pushed. Should work now.
[16:06] <elopio>  paulliu: awesome.
[16:07] <elopio> paulliu: you are invited to our meeting too. It's in 25 minutes.
[16:07] <elopio> I'll update the calendar. I hope charles can make it.
[16:08] <paulliu> elopio: ok
[16:08] <charles> elopio, I'm about to go afk, I can make it at same time tomorrow though
[16:08] <charles> paulliu, elopio, alesage, I'll be back in ~90 minutes
[16:09] <elopio> charles: ok, sorry about the late notice. I'll
[16:09] <elopio> meet with you in 90 so we update the doc with your status.
[16:09] <charles> ack
[16:24] <elopio> paulliu: confirmed it works.
[16:24] <elopio> paulliu: when willl you EOD today?
[16:24] <paulliu> few hours later I think.
[16:25] <paulliu> So, should we proposed it? I think it still needs some minor tweaks.
[16:25] <paulliu> And then I'll start on the PowerIndicatorHelper.
[16:25] <elopio> paulliu: ok, I want to make some small style changes and try a couple of structure changes of the custom proxy objects
[16:26] <paulliu> elopio: ok
[16:26] <elopio> paulliu: after the meeting, I'll start making small changes and discussing them with you here.
[16:26] <paulliu> elopio: ok
[17:02] <elopio> nuclearbob: (or somebody  else) do you know how to call a cpp method from python?
[17:16] <nuclearbob> elopio: no
[17:18] <elopio> paulliu: I pushed a first change, onlyy with style fixes so the branch passes pep8 and pep257.
[17:18] <elopio> you can run flake8 to get most of the errors.
[17:22] <paulliu> elopio: ok
[17:43] <paulliu> elopio: I also fix the test_indicators.py by flake8.
[17:44] <elopio> paulliu: cool, thanks. Now I'm trying to improve the hierarchy of the custom proxy objects.
[17:58] <elopio> paulliu: I've pushed a reorg of the cpos. Please review it anad let me know what do you think.
[17:58] <paulliu> elopio: ok.
[18:19] <paulliu> elopio: super cool. So when we do select_single, it will look-ups all the Classes and check with validate_dbus_object() class method?
[18:20] <elopio> paulliu: yes. Autopiliot has a cache of objects that it checks for matches.
[18:21] <elopio> it has some implementation problems, but works ok with some care.
[18:21] <elopio> paulliu: is there a way to set the orientation lock without the ui?
[18:21] <elopio> like calling a dbus method?
[18:22] <paulliu> elopio: Let me check the plugins.
[18:24] <paulliu> elopio: I think yes. the indicator-display provides it.
[18:25] <paulliu> elopio: /com/canonical/indicator/rotation_lock
[18:26] <elopio> paulliu: ok. I'm happy with the helpers, and looking at the tests now.
[18:26] <elopio> ideally, we will start the test with the rotation unlocked.
[18:26] <paulliu> elopio: qdbus com.canonical.indicator.rotation_lock /com/canonical/indicator/rotation_lock
[18:26] <paulliu> elopio: ok
[18:27] <elopio> so we need to use a fixture during the test set up that unlocks the rotation, and that during the test clean up returns it to the original value.
[18:27] <elopio> second thing, we need to query the rotation value, to make sure that when the checkbox is checked, it is locked and when it is unchecked it is unlocked.
[18:28] <elopio> paulliu: and third, we need to simulate a rotation and check that the shell respects or ignores it. For that we need what dandrader is writing.
[18:28] <elopio> does it make sense?
[18:28] <paulliu> elopio: yes.
[18:29] <elopio>  paulliu: oh, one more thing. Check the checkbox, and assert that the icon is displayed in the top bar.
[18:29] <elopio> paulliu: have you used python fixtures before?
[18:29] <paulliu> elopio: no.
[18:30] <elopio> paulliu: take a look at tests/autopilot/unity8/shell/fixture_setup.py
[18:31] <elopio> we need one called RotationLock, that receives a state as an argument. On set up makes sure that the state is set, and on cleanup it returns the lock to the original value.
[18:32] <paulliu> elopio: ok
[18:33] <paulliu> elopio: got it.
[18:34] <elopio> paulliu: would you want to pair to write the tests, or do you want to give it a try on your own?
[18:34] <paulliu> elopio: why we use dbus-send command rather than using python dbus stuff?
[18:35] <elopio> paulliu: I just copied it from somewhere else. You are right, the python dbus makes it look nicer.
[18:36] <paulliu> elopio: yeah, I'll try it myself first. And see how it goes.
[18:38] <dkessel> elfy: fyi, I am affected by bug 1410406 and thus cannot dogfood vivid atm...
[18:38] <elfy> nasty
[18:39] <elfy> thanks for letting me know though :)
[18:39] <balloons> dkessel, wow.. ouch!
[18:39] <dkessel> balloons: yup...
[18:39]  * balloons decides maybe he won't reboot
[18:40] <paulliu> elopio: Because the timezone diff is too large for us to be paired. So I'll try to write a version and check with you later.
[18:40] <dkessel> i updated yesterday or the day before. so i guess if you haven't had it today, you're fine...
[18:41] <elfy> I must have updated and rebooted with that then
[18:41] <balloons> I updated this morning and was planning on rebooting this afternoon
[18:42] <balloons> I'll wait a few hours before I do so now ;-)
[18:43] <elopio> paulliu: agree. I think we can continue by mail.
[21:06]  * dkessel says "buon anno" to Letozaf_ while leaving. I missed your message the other day
[21:06] <Letozaf_> dkessel, buona anno to you too :) thanks
[21:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, this mp is still pending https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-docviewer-app/test-go-to-page-pdf-file/+merge/244690 you remember why ?
[21:12] <balloons> hello Letozaf_
[21:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello :)
[21:13] <balloons> Letozaf_, weird, I approved it; why did it never merge?
[21:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, do not know, at least do not remember why
[21:13] <balloons> the pre-req did merge
[21:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, could it just got forgotten ?
[21:13] <balloons> you want to resubmit perhaps to get jenkins to re-pick it up?
[21:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[21:14] <balloons> Letozaf_, let me try and force it first
[21:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks
[21:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, howzit ?
[21:17] <balloons> Letozaf_, excellent actually. I found out my wrist is not broken, just quite sore :-)
[21:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, good, so you will recover sooner :)
[21:26] <balloons> Letozaf_, merged.. odd it didn't before, but :-)
[21:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, thanks, I just think it got stuck :)


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[00:13] <bazhang> JoseeAntonioR, you need the chanserv.py ?
[00:13] <JoseeAntonioR> bazhang: nope, just wanted to answer his question
[00:13] <bazhang> might want to ping Seveas if you cannot find it
[00:13] <JoseeAntonioR> but it seems I use the github one
[00:14] <IdleOne> it's on github
[00:14] <Unit193> bazhang: I wanted to have ubottu and the wiki using the same source.
[00:14] <bazhang> Unit193, perhaps ask tsimpson or jussi about that
[00:15] <Unit193> As the link on the site use a round-about way getting to the github page, and that link in the wiki 404'd, I changed the wiki to use github as well.
[16:19] <McPeter> happy new year all
[18:04] <Unit193> McPeter: Same to you!  Hope you had a good one.
[18:04]  * TheLordOfTime groans
[18:04] <TheLordOfTime> urgh, i shouldn've stayed up at that party...
[18:04] <TheLordOfTime> anywaays happy new year all!


[03:52] <Peng> Mode +t anyone?
[04:01] <Nafallo> yes, please.
[04:01] <lifeless> what does that do ?
[04:03] <Peng> lifeless: Stops random people like me from being able to change the topic.
[04:04] <Nafallo> lifeless: only ops change topic :-)
[04:10] <lifeless> hmm, I think its fine at the moment
[04:10] <lifeless> if we have trouble we can lock it down, but why do that unnecessarily
[04:13] <Peng> You don't let anyone push to bazaar-vcs.org, do you?
[04:13]  * Peng shrugs.
[04:14] <Peng> Not that IRC topics are quite the same security-wise.
[06:34] <lifeless> Peng: for starters, irc topics are not executable code
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> its easy to fix the /topic
[06:53] <Peng> True and true.
[06:53]  * Peng shrugs.
[06:54] <Peng> It's insecure (by definition), and uncommon.
[07:58] <fullermd> lifeless: Don't *SAY* that!  Now Microsoft is gonna go write an IRC client that auto-executes topics...
[07:59] <fullermd> Remember back when you could say without a trace of irony "Look, email is just text; you can't get a computer virus from an email."
[08:04] <lifeless> fullermd: you can't ... on linux :)
[12:45] <phanatic> hey, is pyrex needed only on build time, or during run time as well?
[12:45] <dato> phanatic: run time, certainly not
[12:45] <dato> phanatic: build time, only if you modify the .pyx files, or you run from bzr.dev, since the tarballs ship a .c version
[12:46] <phanatic> dato: i'm building from bzr.dev. thanks for the help!
[12:49] <phanatic> currently i'm working on a bazaar package for mac. current progress: http://phanatic.hu/bzr/mac/bazaar-dmg-prototype.png
[13:43] <Discpile> hi... i've been wondering about dvcs... and I'm not quite sure I understand something
[13:43] <Discpile> let's say I want to get the latest copy of a repository to my computer (a checkout), how would that work?
[13:43] <Discpile> if there's no centralized repo to get it from
[13:44] <luks> "the latest copy of a repository" -- that means there is *a* repository
[13:45] <dato> Discpile: well, normally projects will say, "this one is the main/master/central copy", and then people can make as many copies of it as they want
[13:46] <Discpile> ah k that makes sense
[13:47] <Discpile> so would a bzr commit push changes to that copy like with e.g. svn?
[13:47] <Discpile> if so, that doesn't sound very decentralized :p
[13:48] <dato> Discpile: by default, no. but bzr allows you to configure it that way (like svn) if you wish. or switch between the two.
[13:49] <Discpile> so normally when I commit... nothing happens? if just the local copy is updated, why even commit? :p
[13:49] <luks> normally when you commit, you commit to your local branch
[13:50] <luks> and later you might either push those changes to a remote branch, send them by mail, etc.
[14:56] <vila> test suite reached the 10.000 tests mark ;-)
[15:47] <lera_zed> hi - how can i check what commits would be pushed into specific branch  ?
[15:48] <dato> lera_zed: bzr missing --mine-only <other_branch_url>
[15:48] <lera_zed> dato: thanks
[15:57] <lera_zed> is it possible to have an alias for branch ?
[15:57] <lera_zed> i mean the actual names are rather long
[15:58] <dato> lera_zed: I don't think so. *but*, I think luks wrote a bookmarks plugin
[15:58] <lera_zed> thanks
[15:58] <dato> lucas, I mean; not sure if luks here is lucas :)
[15:59] <luks> he is, but he also doesn't know if he still has the plugin code :)
[15:59] <dato> https://code.launchpad.net/~luks/+junk/bzr-bookmarks
[15:59] <luks> oh
[16:01] <dato> lera_zed: ^
[16:03] <Verterok> lera_zed: for the hostname part, in *nix you can use .ssh_config to set an alias for it (don't known about win32)
[16:39] <toed> is there no way to checkout without leaving a message?
[17:00] <abentley> toed: You can always checkout without leaving a message.
[17:01] <toed> commit, sorry
[17:02] <dato> toed: I use commit -m '[no message]' :)
[17:02] <toed> so many excess keystrokes!
[17:04] <abentley> toed: commit -m "" works fine.
[17:05] <abentley> Not that I particularly recommend it.
[17:05] <abentley> Oh, my bad.
[17:05] <abentley> There was talk of fixing it.  I thought it had already happened.
[17:07] <abentley> But If you can't tell which revision is which, why use a vcs at all?
[17:08] <frsk> I get a deja vu feeling right now. Wasn't empty commit messages discussed on the mailing list recently?
[17:08] <quicksilver> toed: it's not very hard to set up a shell alias for commit -m '[no message given]'
[17:08] <quicksilver> toed: or a shell script, if that's more to your taste
[17:08] <quicksilver> but, I can't imagine why you'd want to?
[17:09] <dato> quicksilver: a normal bzr alias would do, I have one.
[17:09] <quicksilver> or that!
[17:10] <quicksilver> so many choices of indirection :)
[17:14] <toed> well I'm the only contributor so I thought there was no point leaving a message
[17:14] <toed> but on reflection you're right, it's probably helpful
[17:15] <dato> toed: *very*
[17:20] <quicksilver> I leave brief messages on my commits even on personal projects
[17:20] <quicksilver> "implemented network support"
[17:20] <quicksilver> "changed gui to use more colors"
[17:20] <quicksilver> nothing details, just enough to remind me!
[17:20] <quicksilver> as I rule I always quickly review the diff before committing
[17:20] <quicksilver> (C-x V = before C-x V c!)
[17:21] <dato> quicksilver: I always catch *something* in the last minute review ;)
[17:21] <quicksilver> yes, I often do
[17:21] <quicksilver> It's a useful catch
[20:01] <dato> jelmer: rebase uploaded
[20:01] <artooro> hey folks, haven't been able to find this information so thought I'd ask here, is there a limitation to the size of file I can commit?
[20:02] <jelmer> dato: thanks!
[20:02] <dato> np; leaving now.
[20:02] <artooro> I'm trying to commit a 4.1GB file and it's failng
[20:02] <beuno> artooro, the limitation is the amount of RAM you have
[20:02] <artooro> ok
[20:02] <Discpile> sounds like you should FTP stuff of that size :p
[20:02] <artooro> so I guess you guys and git are in the same boat there then :)
[20:03] <artooro> no actually I want to backup revisions
[20:03] <artooro> no network involved here
[20:03] <beuno> artooro, it's a tricky one, yes
[20:03] <Discpile> why not split the file into more handy bits? :o
[20:03] <beuno> might be solved in the future
[20:04] <artooro> yeah, alright.
[20:04] <jelmer> artooro: nothing should prevent us from doing that, except the focus of development has been on other things
[20:04] <artooro> that's totally understandable


[08:13] <dpm> good morning all
[08:13] <noodles775> Hey there dpm and everyone.
[08:14] <dpm> hey noodles775, morning :)
[08:18] <jo-erlend> how do I start ground control in 11.10?
[08:18] <jo-erlend> hehe, yes, good morning :)
[08:20]  * noodles775 hasn't tried it - looks like it's packaged for 11.10. Where does doctormo hang out?
[08:23] <jo-erlend> I was looking at videos from his website, and it looks completely awesome, so I installed it... But I'm not able to use it. Can't even find it.
[08:24]  * noodles775 installs to try it.
[08:28] <noodles775> jo-erlend: seems to build on nautilus functionality, but yeah, after install on 11.10, I don't see it (or a way to activate it) either.
[08:29] <jo-erlend> yes, it's a nautilus plugin, but you have to login and stuff. I can't find any way to do that.
[10:36] <dpm> jo-erlend, you might want to talk to doctormo re: ground control when he's up later on. He hangs out in #ubuntu-community-team and other channels. Not sure if he's on this one
[10:36] <jo-erlend> that's Martin Owens?
[10:40] <dpm> jo-erlend, yes
[10:45] <jo-erlend> hehe, I was about to say Owen Meany. :)
[12:40] <jml> when using 'fab bootstrap' is there a way to prevent it from downloading everything each and every time?
[12:40] <jml> (and indeed, *building*)
[13:17] <noodles775> jml: depending on the project, the readme should have instructions for caching the eggs... which project?
[13:18] <noodles775> jml: and in terms of needing to rebuild when you switch branches, I do http://micknelson.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/sharing-your-development-environment-across-branches/
[13:19] <jo-erlend> I would like to have an indicator that shows me files that have changed since the last commit with an easy way to get a diff view. Does anyone know of any?
[13:19] <jml> noodles775: thanks.
[13:26] <noodles775> jo-erlend: do you mean a GUI that does that? (as opposed to `bzr st` or `bzr diff`)
[13:27] <noodles775> jo-erlend: and if so, have you seen http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/explorer/en/
[13:27] <jo-erlend> noodles775, an indicator. It should present me with a menu with the projects that have changed, and if I click them, It'll open meld or another diff viewer.
[13:27] <jo-erlend> noodles775, I'm using that one, but it doesn't present an indicator.
[13:28] <noodles775> I see.
[13:28] <jo-erlend> shouldn't be too difficult to make, though.
[13:29] <jo-erlend> in fact, it'll be very easy. Guess I'll just make one :)
[13:59] <jml> I just asked a question on StackOverflow, for a lark: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8137410/how-to-distribute-access-data-files-in-python-egg
[13:59] <jml> (it's like IRC, but with points!)
[14:02] <jml> james_w: hi
[14:02] <james_w> morning jml
[14:07] <james_w> jml, where would you like to do this?
[14:07] <jml> james_w: yes
[14:07] <jml> james_w: mumble for a start
[14:07] <james_w> k
[14:08] <noodles775> jml: yeah, the 2nd option (relative to pkgme.__file__) sounds sane to me.
[14:10] <jml> noodles775: feel free to bump it up :)
[14:25] <james_w> jml, http://packages.python.org/distribute/setuptools.html#accessing-data-files-at-runtime
[15:04] <jml> davidpitkin: hi
[15:05] <davidpitkin> jml, hello
[15:06] <jml> davidpitkin: still on for that call? skype? mumble?
[16:15] <jml> james_w: hi
[16:46] <james_w> hi jml
[16:46] <james_w> sorry about the delay
[16:46] <jml> james_w: your call went over too
[16:46] <james_w> yeah
[16:46] <james_w> want to dial back in?
[16:47] <jml> james_w: maybe not worth it?
[16:47] <jml> james_w: I have to leave in ~12mins
[16:47] <james_w> oh yeah, you have to leave
[16:47] <james_w> yeah, let's skip it
[16:47] <james_w> good luck finishing that though :-)
[16:52] <jml> james_w: thanks!
[22:30] <jml> ugh.
[22:30] <jml> checking out the laptop when coming back from kickboxing is dangerous.
[22:30] <jml> it's 10:30pm and I still need to shower & eat.
[22:36] <ajmitch> jml: as long as you don't dive into your inbox at this hour
[22:46] <jml> ajmitch: already emptied it


[02:10] <GnoNayme> can anyone explain the benefits of scopes over the software center?
[05:00] <avi_> my problem is that my app depend on somelib and i have packaged that lib in the click. but this lib has a translation files, i put them in this path data/usr/share/locale/*/LC_ MESSAGES/somelib.mo and the translation are not loaded. what i did wronge?
[05:24] <simosx> avi_, the lib tries to find the translations using the "translation domain" (some name that is defined in the source code). Also, it uses some path to look into. Can you run 'strace' on the app so that you can figure out what files it tries to open?
[05:25] <avi_> simosx, in the emulator i think i cant run it.... i will try..
[05:43] <simosx> avi_, "strace" is preinstalled on the phone (or I installed it easily). You could change the .desktop file so that it runs the command through strace and have an idea what files are being tried to open.
[05:45] <avi_> ok. that idea. i will try it. thank you
[06:46] <Mirv> popey: can you check if the newest comment in bug #1462989 means that the patch shouldn't go in, ie that Renato claims the API should be just used differently?
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:42] <dpm> mzanetti, good morning! Do you happen to know if there is a way already for app developers to detect if their app is running on unity 8 on a phone or on a bigger form factor (e.g. the desktop)?
[07:49] <dpm> or bzoltan, you might know too? ^
[07:50] <bzoltan> dpm:  as I remember the idea is not to expose such API to the apps.
[07:52] <dpm> bzoltan, oh, I see, so what's the plan to do the detection, if it's not via API?
[07:54] <didrocks> dpm: application width size I guess + other capabilities
[07:54] <didrocks> like mouse, keyboard, sensors…
[07:54] <didrocks> basically you do some progressive enhancement, as in the web
[07:55] <didrocks> and base on capabilities rather on form factor
[07:55] <bzoltan> dpm: The plan is that apps should not care about this.. all happens automagically, layouts, UX, visuals, etc
[07:55] <dpm> didrocks, I do not quite understand. So how does the app dev detect capabilities, if there is no API?
[07:56] <justCarakas> Anybody know why I am still on r19 on my nexus 4 ? It keeps saying software is up to date
[07:56] <didrocks> dpm: ah, for sensors and such, I guess there will (is?) some API
[07:56] <didrocks> dpm: but basically you won't have "get_form_factor()" -> desktop/phone/tv…
[07:57] <seb128> justCarakas, that's rather a question for #ubuntu-touch
[07:57] <justCarakas> ok thx
[07:58] <dpm> didrocks, bzoltan, there is no API that I know of in the SDK to detect whether a mouse is present or the monitor size. So I guess my question is, is there a way to work around it and make a guess at form factor/capabilities, until the full vision is implemented?
[07:58] <seb128> dpm, define "form factor", what part of the program do you want to change and when?
[07:59] <didrocks> really, we should remove the "form factor" part of this question, it's about capabilities really, and on the API, I'll let the sdk team answering, I'm not fluent enough yet to know if there is anything :)
[08:00] <seb128> didrocks, well screen size matters and it's not really a "capability"
[08:01] <seb128> but then it should probably check the width rather than a "form"
[08:01] <dpm> seb128, as an example, the reminders app uses the Layouts API to switch between different layouts if running on a phone or on a tablet. I'd like to know how the app can detect it's running on a desktop with monitor and use the tablet layout, but not at full screen
[08:02] <dpm> seb128, or e.g. the terminal app: it has a button to show the OSK on the phone. If running in a desktop setting, with a monitor and hardware keyboard, it should hide the OSK button
[08:02] <seb128> dpm, those seem different cases
[08:03] <didrocks> seb128: screen size is capability
[08:03] <dpm> right, one is about layout, the other one about hardware detection
[08:03] <seb128> didrocks, k, weird vocabulary
[08:04] <seb128> dpm, layout is just how width is your window, so you know if you have space for several column, no?
[08:04] <didrocks> dpm: I guess you typical example is "I want my app to be fullscreen if screen_size =< 50gu", otherwise, I switch my layout to be 2 columns and request at least 51gu
[08:04] <didrocks> (when the app opens)
[08:05] <seb128> didrocks, it's like "my screen is capable of displaying pixel" wououou ;-)
[08:05] <dpm> :)didrocks, so can I detect "if screen_size"
[08:05] <dpm> sorry, pressed enter too quick
[08:05] <didrocks> seb128: there is a difference between "capable fo displaying pixel and capable of displaying xxx pixels"
[08:05] <didrocks> "wououou"
[08:05] <dpm> can I detect "if screen_size =< 50gu"?
[08:05] <seb128> dpm, didrocks, I would expect the "put things in fullscreen" to be a shell thing rather than a per-application choice?
[08:05] <didrocks> dpm: yeah, that's a question for the sdk team
[08:06] <didrocks> seb128: initial window size? I don't really know…
[08:06] <seb128> didrocks, well, the width is not inherent to the screen, when I resize something on my desktop the display doesn't change properties
[08:06] <seb128> it's not capable of more pixels because I dnd-ed a corner of the win
[08:06] <didrocks> seb128: reread my sentence about "when the app opens"
[08:06] <didrocks> but whatever
[08:06] <dpm> bzoltan, can you perhaps enlighten us on the widh detection question? ^^
[08:07] <seb128> dpm, you can tweak the layout on width < something
[08:07] <seb128> without having to query the screen
[08:07] <didrocks> I don't think it's dpm's question
[08:07] <seb128> just the width of the windows should tell you if you have space for e.g multi columns
[08:08] <dpm> seb128, right, but it's the available width I don't know how to query
[08:08] <seb128> dpm, "available"?
[08:08] <didrocks> dpm: did you try http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qscreen.html?
[08:08] <seb128> the layout depends of what size you application has no?
[08:08] <seb128> not of the size of the screen
[08:08] <seb128> like on a desktop you wouldn't display the multiple columns if the win is 100 pixels width
[08:09] <seb128> it would rather match the linear layout used on e.g a phone
[08:09] <seb128> so it's the actual win geometry that you want no?
[08:11] <dpm> seb128, right, so if we switch layouts on e.g. "if width >= 100GU" you are saying that I should set the initial size of the app at 100GU and it should just do the right thing?
[08:12] <seb128> well, it's up to you
[08:12] <seb128> on e.g the phone the shell is going to put your app fullscreen
[08:12] <seb128> so you don't get the define the width
[08:12] <seb128> to define*
[08:12] <dpm> yeah, that's what I mean
[08:12] <seb128> well just do if width >= 100 gu
[08:12] <seb128> on a bq you are going to get 40gu or something and be under it
[08:13] <seb128> and if you try on your desktop you can resize to be over 100gu
[08:13] <seb128> or even specify the default width, so it's used on your desktop where things are not maximized
[08:14] <zsombi> dpm: so, if your app is having width: 100GU, your app will run on 40GU on device no matter of what's the size you defined, but on desktop will run on 100GU
[08:14] <dpm> that's what I'm trying to say, so is the guidance to set the default width to be > than a phone layout and then a) on a phone the app will be resized to full screen and b) on the destkop the default width will be used
[08:14] <zsombi> dpm: you can prepare your layout based on this: if mainview.width >= 100GU use this layout, otherwise use that
[08:15] <zsombi> dpm: there is no guideline, but I think these doesn't have to be "guidelined"
[08:15] <dpm> zsombi, yeah, that'd be the condition, but what sets the default mainview.width if the app is not running full screen?
[08:16] <zsombi> dpm: all you need to know is that apps run "fullscreen" on phone, no mater if you've set your app size to (0,0)
[08:16] <dpm> right, so I get the fullscreen case
[08:17] <dpm> zsombi, so when I've got a huge monitor and I don't want the app to run fullscreen on launch, then is the guidance to a) set mainview.width = "something wide" and b) have the layouts switch condition to "if mainview.width >= 'something big'"?
[08:18] <zsombi> dpm: that depends on the app
[08:18] <zsombi> dpm: if the app knows that on desktop it should run on 100/80 GU, then it should set its width.height to that size
[08:19] <dpm> zsombi, so how does the app "know"?
[08:19] <zsombi> dpm: so then on phone it will run fullscreen, and on desktop, or any widnowed mode will run on 100/80 GU
[08:19] <zsombi> dpm: well, I guess designs for desktop have some window metrics, right?
[08:20] <zsombi> dpm: so they can use those metrics to set their app size
[08:20] <zsombi> dpm: you go and set MainView { width: units.gu(100); height: units.gu(80) } right?
[08:20] <dpm> zsombi, I think we're talking about the same thing. So if I as an app developer I want my app to be 100GU wide on a big monitor, I should just set the initial size to that, and that's it
[08:20] <zsombi> dpm: right
[08:21] <dpm> ok, then it's all clear
[08:22] <dpm> zsombi, so the next question is about other capabilities: how do I tell whether there is a phyisical keyboard attached?
[08:22] <zsombi> dpm: why would you need that?
[08:22] <zsombi> dpm: use case pls
[08:22] <zsombi> or more
[08:22] <dpm> zsombi, e.g. the terminal app: it has a button to show the OSK on the phone. If running in a desktop setting, with a monitor and hardware keyboard, it should hide the OSK button
[08:23] <zsombi> dpm: hmm... that's weird... why does it have that?
[08:23] <zsombi> dpm: beside, if you attach a kbd to a tablet, I guess both should work, right?
[08:24] <dpm> zsombi, the osk automatic switching really got in the way of using the terminal. I'm not sure you used it before the button was added, but it was a nightmare for scrolling and screen jumping up and down
[08:25] <dpm> zsombi, why should the OSK work if I've got a hardware keyboard attached? But in any case, we're talking about the desktop case, not tablet
[08:26] <zsombi> dpm: for the presence of the OSK we have an undocumented API... QuickUtils.inputMethodProvider property... perhaps we should expose these...
[08:26] <zsombi> dpm: well, because you may wanna still use the prediction
[08:26] <zsombi> dpm: without OSK there's no predictive text
[08:27] <zsombi> dpm: and haven't you seen touch screen enabled desktops? :)
[08:27] <dpm> zsombi, I definitely don't want to use predictive text while typing CLI commands ;)
[08:27] <zsombi> dpm: ok, that is one use case, but the terminsl app is not teh only app in the world ;)
[08:27] <dpm> zsombi, no, but you asked for the use case I was looking at atm :)
[08:27] <zsombi> dpm: right :)
[08:28] <zsombi> dpm: as said, we have an internal class for that... beside, I think Qt will have something there...
[08:28]  * dpm looks at documentation
[08:28] <zsombi> dpm: otoh, OSK presence can also be detected inm from the input method size
[08:29] <dpm> zsombi, where can I find out how to use QuickUtils.inputMethodProvider? a quick google glance didn't return any doc results
[08:30] <zsombi> dpm: of course not, it's internal
[08:30] <zsombi> it's not documented
[08:30] <zsombi> dpm: and you should not even use that
[08:31] <dpm> oh, so I thought that was the suggestion
[08:31]  * zsombi looks for the Qt.inputMethod.rectangle or whatever property
[08:32] <zsombi> dpm: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtqml-qt.html#inputMethod-prop -> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qinputmethod.html -> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qinputmethod.html#keyboardRectangle-prop
[08:32] <zsombi> dpm: if keyboardRectangle.size is 0, there's no OSK
[08:33] <zsombi> dpm: so no need to show that button
[08:33] <dpm> awesome, thanks zsombi
[08:34] <zsombi> dpm: in any other cases, the apps shouldn't even know what devices are attached to the computer
[08:35] <zsombi> dpm: toolkit elements would handle all the diffs, i.e. focusing on Tab/Shift+Tab, Scrollbar thumb when hovered over mouse, Bottom edge hint component, MultiColumnView for responsive pagestacks, etc, etc
[08:36] <dpm> cool
[08:38] <zsombi> dpm: if the keyboardRectangle is not giving the desired results, we have to think of a better solution
[08:38] <dpm> ok
[08:41] <popey> 09:22 < dpm> zsombi, e.g. the terminal app: it has a button to show the OSK on the phone. If running in a desktop setting, with a  monitor and hardware keyboard, it should hide the OSK button
[08:41] <popey> dpm: we (me and fillipo) have discussed this at length
[08:41] <popey> I am not convined we perma-hide the OSX on a 'desktop'
[08:41] <popey> (given we already have decided not to go for rigid phone / tablet / desktop form factors - as discussed above)
[08:42] <popey> e.g. what if I _want_ the osk on screen, I don't think we should forcibly hide it and never let it be brought on screen just because there is a hardware keyboard
[08:43] <dpm> popey, well, what I noticed is that button has no effect on the desktop, so there is no OSK at all
[08:43] <dpm> that was what prompted me to file the bug
[08:44] <popey> thats not a terminal bug though
[08:44] <popey> thats the fact that the OSK isn't packaged up in unity8 desktop seed
[08:45] <dpm> popey, aha. In that case, perhaps it could be a setting in the same way "show control keys bar" is
[08:45] <popey> I still don't agree.
[08:46] <popey> I think it should fade out so it's not so obtrusive
[08:46] <dpm> fade out permanently?
[08:47] <popey> no, just be less obvious
[08:47] <popey> it can get in the way sometimes
[08:47] <popey> higher transparency over time if you've not used it
[08:48] <popey> same could apply on tablet/phone uses too
[08:48] <popey> if you're using it for monitoring / tailing a log file, and rarely interact, it's more useful if those buttons fade away
[08:48] <dpm> if I'm using terminal on a big monitor and physical keyboard, and I've made a decision not to use the OSK, why should I have the icon shown at all times obstructing the view, even if it's faded out?
[08:48] <popey> but as a new user you need to know where they are/were
[08:49] <popey> if it's faded out it's not obstructing
[08:49] <dpm> right, I think it's fine to show it on first launch, but why shouldn't I be able to hide it, just as we do with the controls bar?
[08:50] <popey> more settings, more code to maintain, more possibility it gets hidden and not easy to discover how to re-enable
[08:50] <popey> there's 3 buttons, not just the osk one
[08:51] <Mirv> zbenjamin: I kicked another build of Qt Creator 3.5 to https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-023/+packages so that it's usable now that Qt 5.4.2 got in to wily
[08:51] <dpm> right, but the other two are settings and tabs
[08:52] <zbenjamin> Mirv: there were new changes in upstream that we need yesterday, does it pull the master or did you create a tarball manually?
[08:52] <zbenjamin> Mirv: the sdk plugin will only compile against the current branch
[08:52] <Mirv> zbenjamin: no it's just the same tarball, if you want the latest git I can do that too
[08:52] <Mirv> zbenjamin: alright
[08:52] <popey> yes, and if you don't have a touch screen you could argue you don't need the tabs button
[08:52] <Mirv> zbenjamin: so, ~test5 upcoming soonish to the same place
[08:52] <zbenjamin> Mirv: :) cool
[08:53] <popey> anway, i think we should discuss this on the bug report
[08:53] <dpm> anyway, so we do have different opinions, perhaps we can ask a designer
[08:53] <dpm> in any case, terminal looks awesome on the unity 8 session :)
[08:54] <dpm> I'm using it on my unity 7 session as my main terminal now
[08:54] <popey> dpm: you using the fat package?
[08:56] <dpm> popey, no, it appears on the store, but I couldn't install it (I'm not sure if store installs are disabled, or if I've got network issues), so I kicked off a wily build on my personal PPA (in order not to mess up the core apps one) and then installed the .deb inside the container
[08:56] <dpm> popey, can you install apps from the store?
[08:58] <mivoligo> davidcalle: hi, IIRC you made a guide about adding translation support for the apps on the phone. Unfortunately I can't find this guide now
[08:58] <popey> dpm: not on my unity8lxc install, i thought it might be my end, but you saying it breaks for you too?
[08:58] <popey> Also, I couldn't login to u1
[08:59] <popey> not sure where these bugs should go, or if they should be filed
[08:59] <davidcalle> mivoligo, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/internationalizing-your-app/
[08:59] <mivoligo> davidcalle: great, thanks :)
[08:59] <davidcalle> mivoligo, yw :)
[08:59] <dpm> popey, I didn't even get to a u1 log in. In my case, I can see apps in the click store, but when I click on the "Install" button, nothing happens
[09:00] <dpm> popey, I noticed the browser crashes on start, so I couldn't check if it was a network issue. But now I've got terminal installed, I guess I could find out if I've got network at all. In any case, the network indicator shows no networks available
[09:02] <popey> yeah, mine is wired, and can go online
[09:05] <dpm> ok
[09:06] <dpm> I need to try if the browser still crashes after I ran an update on the container
[09:06] <popey> dpm: how did you update?
[09:06] <popey> from outside or inside?
[09:07] <dpm> popey, I tried both, as I had a broken package which I couldn't fix from outside. So I first did a 'sudo unity8-lxc-setup --update-lxc'
[09:07] <popey> ok
[09:07] <dpm> (from outside)
[09:07] <dpm> and then a 'sudo lxc-attach -n unity8-lxc' to fix the broken package from inside the container
[09:08] <dpm> and then I went back to doing the update with 'sudo unity8-lxc-setup --update-lxc'
[09:08] <dpm> as I didn't know if that ran other steps, so I preferred to do it this was just in case
[09:08] <dpm> *way
[09:10]  * popey tries that
[09:10] <dpm> seb128, if we find bugs such as not being able to log into ubuntuone to install packages on the unity8 desktop session, is lp:unity8-desktop-session the best place to file bugs?
[09:10] <popey> yeah, you can't install apps from the store because you dont have a u1 account
[09:10] <popey> that's annoying
[09:13] <seb128> dpm, you can, or on the specific packages
[09:13] <seb128> what is not working when you try to log in?
[09:16] <dpm> seb128, in my case I'm not even shown the prompt when trying to install an app from the store, but I haven't tried to explicitly go to the settings app and add the account yet. popey first flagged the issue that he couldn't add the u1 account
[09:17] <seb128> popey, dpm, is there a bug open about not being able to add the account?
[09:17] <seb128> it worked when I tried previous cycle
[09:17] <popey> just updating, will try again and file if not
[09:17] <seb128> we even demoed installing clicks fro u8 in washington
[09:17] <seb128> popey, thanks
[09:17] <seb128> what was the issue?
[09:18] <popey> nothing happens when you click U1 in system settings -> accounts
[09:19] <popey> yeah, still broken
[09:22] <dpm> popey, does the browser work for you?
[09:22] <popey> dpm: no, crashes
[09:22] <popey> will file that one next :)
[09:23] <dpm> same here
[09:24] <dpm> having the browser working and being able to install apps would be two massive improvements
[09:24] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1466009 there you go
[09:24] <popey> ya
[09:26] <popey> dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1466012
[09:28] <dpm> popey, thanks. Do you have the browser installed on your unity 7 session too?
[09:29] <popey> looks like it, yes
[09:30] <popey> dpm: can you logout? my session freezes when I try to
[09:30] <dpm> me too, not sure if it makes a difference. The LXC container mounts /home, so I don't know if there are any browser settings that interfere with each other. FWIW, having terminal installed on both systems does not seem to pose any problems
[09:31] <popey> getting segfaults in location service too
[09:31] <dpm> I got a freeze yesterday, but I generally have been able to log out
[09:31] <popey> [Wed Jun 17 10:19:10 2015] ubuntu-location[3106]: segfault at 0 ip           (null) sp 00007ffc0dee1288 error 14 in ubuntu-location-serviced[400000+49000]
[09:31] <popey> lots of those
[09:31] <popey> oh, it finally logged out, was just really slow, probably io bound on mediascanner
[09:32] <popey> dpm: webbrowser-app works fine under unity7
[09:33] <dpm> yeah, here too. And if I try to uninstall it, it wants to remove qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu and ubuntu-sdk, so I'll leave it alone :)
[09:33] <popey> heh
[09:33] <popey> maybe rm .config/webbrowser-app and .cache/webbrowser-app ?
[09:34] <popey> (this, btw, is why I wanted to run Unity8 on a separate machine, the logging out/in all the time is kinda annoying)
[09:34] <popey> also, now I'm getting the welcome thing flickering repeatedly
[09:34]  * popey reboots
[09:35] <dpm> yeah, but I don't have that many machines :)
[09:35] <popey> seems it doesn't like you flipping unity 8 -> 7 -> 8
[09:36] <dpm> oSoMoN, do you have any hints on bug 1466012 - maybe a known bug, perhaps there is a workaround?
[09:40] <oSoMoN> dpm, I marked it as duplicate of bug #1457458
[09:41] <oSoMoN> known bug, no known workaround that I know of
[09:43] <dpm> ok, thanks oSoMoN. Sounds more a bug for Mir rather than Oxide, if I understand it correctly?
[09:43] <oSoMoN> not sure where the bug is, chrisccoulson can you clarify? ^
[09:44] <chrisccoulson> the bug is in oxide
[09:45] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi, there's something wrong with the sound when playing MvsM after the latest OTA update. The sound sometimes goes up or down suddenly. And I mean the system sound.
[09:50] <mzanetti> mivoligo, yeah... it's a bug in the system
[09:50] <mzanetti> I should probably report it
[09:50] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ah, ok, was it like that before?
[09:51] <mzanetti> don't remember. been using vivid for 3 months now
[09:51] <mivoligo> :)
[10:02] <LemmyK> Can anyone tell my what the status on the new "calendar sync backend" is?
[10:06] <popey> LemmyK: I don't think that'll be ready until July or so.
[10:07] <LemmyK> Thanks, is there a bug to track the progres of this?
[10:07] <karni> What's the advised solution here? "Too many authentication failures for phablet from <IP_ADDRESS> port 50877 ssh2" -- trying to install a click form beloved QtC ;) to krillin
[10:08] <popey> LemmyK: i dont think so
[10:09] <mzanetti> rpadovani, hey
[10:10] <rpadovani> mzanetti, o/
[10:10] <mzanetti> rpadovani, have a reminders branch to test/review :)
[10:10] <rpadovani> mzanetti, ok, I' ll take a look after lunch :-)
[10:10] <mzanetti> enjoy the lunch
[10:33] <nik90> mzanetti: I am hitting a strange issue on the latest image rc-proposed/ubuntu r163, where shell rotation doesn't happen while app rotates...https://imgur.com/Gs43FQH
[10:34] <nik90> mzanetti: was it disabled or is this a bug?
[10:35] <mzanetti> no... hasn't been disabled
[10:36] <mzanetti> nik90, can't repro here
[10:36] <mzanetti> nik90, any steps to trigger this?
[10:37] <nik90> mzanetti: I just updated to r163 and then opened the system settings app to test shell rotation on my N4. I am going to reboot my phone and see if that helps
[10:37] <mzanetti> nik90, what channel?
[10:38] <nik90> mzanetti: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu on Nexus $
[10:38] <nik90> Nexus 4*
[10:38] <mzanetti> nik90, I've seen comments on G+ that some other Nexus users complain about not having the update yet
[10:38]  * mzanetti digs out his nexus4
[10:39] <mzanetti> nik90, have you ever seen shellRotation on that device and it stopped working, or you didn't ever see it yet?
[10:39] <nik90> mzanetti: I had it in the before images...just so happens this image it stopped working...strange behavior.
[10:40] <nik90> mzanetti: I was the one who posted screenshots on g+ of shell rotation
[10:41] <mzanetti> nik90, right...
[10:43] <nik90> mzanetti: I think its not unity8's fault..the image is messed up...my calculator and music apps which I updated yesterday have all been reverted to old version. Somehow the image upgrade downgraded everything or something!
[10:43] <mzanetti> weird
[10:44] <nik90> yeah I have no idea wth happened..just going to reflash everything from scratch again to confirm this
[10:45] <nik90> mzanetti: fyi I had unity8 8.02+15.04.20150603.1-0ubuntu1 installed. Is that the latest?
[10:46] <nik90> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11729878/
[10:47] <mzanetti> nik90, 8.10+15.04.20150612-0ubuntu1
[10:48] <mzanetti> nik90, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11729884/
[10:48] <nik90> mzanetti: crazy...let me finish reflashing to confirm the issue and report to sil
[10:48] <mzanetti> nik90, looks like you have a different PPA
[10:48] <nik90> mzanetti: god knows how considering I just did a normal update and nothing else
[10:55] <dropp> Hi, can someone tell me where the PopupUtils.close() function is documented? Thanks!
[10:55] <mzanetti> nik90, I just flashed ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer and it does not rotate indeed
[10:56] <nik90> mzanetti: that is intended..the ubuntu-developer images are not updated regularly.
[10:56] <nik90> mzanetti: sry I meant that is known..not sure why the ubuntu-developer images were not updated
[10:57] <mzanetti> nik90, it does seem to have this ppa tho: stable-phone-overlay
[10:57] <mzanetti> unlike the one you pasted
[10:57] <nik90> hmm
[10:58] <nik90> mzanetti: I just reflashed ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu and it still has unity 8.02+15.04.20150603.1-0ubuntu1!
[10:59] <davmor2> dropp: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.Popups.PopupBase/ not sure if that is what you are after
[11:02] <Mirv> zbenjamin: bzoltan: ok git snapshot of today's Qt Creator built successfully at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-023/+packages
[11:02] <dpm> popey, in the interim, until we have the u1 login fixed, I created a set of daily .deb builds of the core apps at https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=wily - the first installation needs to happen from the host (as there is no terminal otherwise). If that's the terminal app, then the rest of .debs can be installed from the unity8 session with the terminal
[11:03] <zbenjamin> Mirv: awesome :D, the plugin also needs a rebuild though
[11:03] <popey> dpm: i already have daily builds of clicks
[11:03] <zbenjamin> Mirv: i pushed the changes there yesterday
[11:04] <dpm> popey, ah, cool, with fat packaging?
[11:04] <popey> for those that need it, yes
[11:04] <popey> i just scp them over and use pkcon to install them
[11:04] <dpm> awesome
[11:05] <Mirv> zbenjamin: ok, updating from  lp:~zeller-benjamin/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/sdk-refactor2 .. I don't think it'd build successfully in a PPA though due to that "ubuntu" directory requirement
[11:05] <dpm> popey, so these are built with the scripts to create the fat packages you mentioned a while ago, right? Where can I find them?
[11:05] <popey> they build on my laptop at the moment because it requires access to the click chroot
[11:06] <popey> I want to move it to "the cloud" though
[11:06] <dropp> davmor2: okay thanks, but what are the parameters? :)
[11:06] <popey> needs a lot of space for all the chroots
[11:08] <dropp> davmor2: it's used in this example: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.Popups.Dialog/
[11:10] <dropp> davmor2: here is another example which uses a advanced version of it http://askubuntu.com/a/306562
[11:10] <davmor2> dropp: I'm not a dev I just knew how to look for the docs page.
[11:11] <dropp> davmor2: hehe, that's what i did in advance
[11:11] <davmor2> dropp: dpm maybe able to help you more
[11:13] <zsombi> nik90: did you manage to test the alarm thing?
[11:14] <dpm> t1mp, zsombi, perhaps you can help dropp with the question about where the  PopupUtils.close() function is documented? I cannot find it under https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.Popups/
[11:15] <zsombi> dpm: for some reason none of the .js file documentation is taken...
[11:16] <dpm> zsombi, is qdoc building the docs?
[11:16] <zsombi> dpm: yes
[11:16] <nik90> zsombi: sry no..I am in the process now though
[11:17] <dropp> zsombi: so the docs will be available soon?
[11:17] <zsombi> dropp: I don't know how to fix that tbh
[11:17] <dropp> oh okay
[11:17] <dpm> zsombi, in that case, the doc should be available locally in the ubuntu-ui-toolkit-doc package
[11:17]  * dpm looks
[11:17] <zsombi> dpm: yes, it should
[11:19] <dpm> zsombi, any hint on which of these it could be? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11729978/
[11:19] <zsombi> dpm: none, the qdoc doesn' teven take JS files in
[11:20] <dpm> zsombi, so the docs are not generated in the package, then?
[11:20] <zsombi> dpm: exactly
[11:20] <dpm> ok, so that's what needs to be fixed before they can be published in the site
[11:21] <Mirv> zbenjamin: ok the plugin compiled fine and I installed it in wily, but the plugin is not visible in QtC.. not sure what's wrong this time, the directories etc should be correct
[11:22] <zbenjamin> Mirv: meh, crap.. Did i maybe not merge all of your fixes?
[11:22] <dropp> zsombi, dpm: should i file a bug report somewhere?
[11:23] <Mirv> zbenjamin: tarball of the deb:s at http://people.ubuntu.com/~timo-jyrinki/QtCreator/
[11:24] <zbenjamin> Kaleo: does the Ubuntu.Components somehow change default fonts/ fontsizes / margins for the whole application? Because importing Ubuntu.Components does break the title in the new project wizard in QtCreator
[11:24] <zbenjamin> Kaleo: t1mp suggested you might know about that
[11:25] <Mirv> zbenjamin: sorry, correction, works!!
[11:25] <Mirv> zbenjamin: I've no idea what happened, I had them installed and then they woosh disappeared somehow.
[11:25] <zbenjamin> Mirv: so it works?
[11:26] <dpm> dropp, yes, please on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+filebug
[11:26] <dpm> thanks!
[11:27] <Mirv> zbenjamin: ah, I accidentally ran dpkg -i *.deb outside of the wily, not inside..
[11:27] <Mirv> zbenjamin: so yes, sorry for the alarm :) seems good!
[11:27] <zsombi> zbenjamin: we set the default font, in the plugin
[11:27] <zbenjamin> Mirv: awesome :D
[11:27] <zbenjamin> zsombi: do you know where?
[11:27] <zsombi> zbenjamin: in the plugin itself, we set Ubuntu family font
[11:34] <zbenjamin> zsombi: sooo should i add the UITK to that bug as well?
[11:36] <zsombi> zbenjamin: you can, but no idea how to fix that
[11:37] <zsombi> zbenjamin: what you can try is not to set the size, perhaps that would be enough
[11:38] <zsombi> zbenjamin: like QGuiApplication::getFont(), set the family, and set it back, perhaps that would be enough for the toolkit and for the QWidgets as well
[11:38] <zsombi> zbenjamin: also, set the weight
[11:38] <zsombi> and try it out
[11:40] <zbenjamin> zsombi: hm yeah i could reset the default font back after i loaded the uitk
[11:42] <Mirv> zbenjamin: tried building the plugin in PPA :D https://launchpadlibrarian.net/209307420/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu_3.5.0%2B15.10.20150617-0ubuntu1~wily1~test1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:42] <Mirv> zbenjamin: that error is because of the directory mangling/hardcoding
[11:47] <zbenjamin> zsombi: that fixes it , indeed
[11:48] <zbenjamin> zsombi: why do we need to set the default font in the first place?
[11:56] <nik90> zsombi: I am unable to get clock app to crash on vivid desktop before applying your fix.
[11:56] <nik90> zsombi: what steps did you take to get it to crash?
[11:57] <nik90> I have one alarm and tried enabling/disabling it a couple of times. Changed the alarm time, labels etc..
[12:02] <nik90> popey: Can you help me test https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/lock-portrait-orientation/+merge/262053
[12:04] <popey> nik90: sure can
[12:04] <nik90> popey: be sure to be on r162 to get shell rotation
[12:05] <popey> kk
[12:05]  * nik90 brb in 5 misn
[12:08] <popey> nik90: hmm, i dont have a device with shell rotation enabled.
[12:13] <nik90> popey: which device and channel?
[12:14] <popey> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en on arale, 27
[12:14] <popey> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en on krillin, 38
[12:15] <nik90> popey: for N4 it seems we have shell-rotation on r262 but not on r163...turns out r163 is a OTA-4 image for testing purposes. The same could have been done for the BQ and Meize rc-proposed images..not sure
[12:15] <popey> I no longer have an n4
[12:15] <nik90> popey: oh wow .. upgrading to newer devices eh ;)
[12:15] <popey> hah
[12:16] <nik90> no worries I will wait for victor since I am not sure about the meizu and bq image status
[12:16] <ogra_> popey, ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en 27 definitely has shell rotation here
[12:17] <ogra_> (since 25 actually)
[12:17] <popey> oh, so it does
[12:18] <popey> sorry nik90, my mistake
[12:18] <nik90> popey: do you need a click?
[12:18] <popey> nah, i can make one
[12:18] <nik90> k
[12:22] <rpadovani> mzanetti, o/
[12:22] <mzanetti> rpadovani, hey
[12:23] <rpadovani> mzanetti, so, improve-viewer and content-hub have to be reviewed, right?
[12:23] <mzanetti> yep
[12:30] <karni> zbenjamin: where can I learn what the load(ubuntu-click) magic does?
[12:33] <zbenjamin> karni: check out the /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/mkspecs/features/ubuntu-click.prf file
[12:33] <karni> thank you zbenjamin, exactly what I've been looking for
[12:33] <zbenjamin> karni: and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/mkspecs/features/ubuntu-click-tools.prf
[12:33] <karni> :)
[12:34] <zbenjamin> karni: the *-tools file is loaded after your project settings have been parsed, the ubunu-click.prf is loaded when load() is executed
[12:34] <karni> zbenjamin: great, thank you :)
[12:50] <zsombi> zbenjamin: we need to set the default font because Qt brings Sans font and not Ubuntu
[12:51] <zsombi> zbenjamin: and setting the font in every label has performance impact, beside text inputs won't use the default font
[12:51] <zsombi> nik90: I had the same: I enabled a disabled alarm...
[12:52] <zsombi> nik90: the alarm did not change its position in the model, then it crashed... not every time, but after I did the changes, I never got it crashing anynore
[12:53] <nik90> zsombi: I am atm testing it on the phone by getting to crash before and then verifying after the patch is applied
[12:53] <zsombi> nik90: cool, thx
[12:53] <zsombi> nik90: I get to finish the MultiColumnView before I leave, so I'm pretty busy now, thx for help
[12:54] <nik90> zsombi: np..I will commment on the MP after I am done
[12:55] <zsombi> nik90: the prob is that I'll be away after that...
[12:56] <nik90> zsombi: oh on hols? Then go ahead with the merge
[12:56] <karni> Is MultiColumnView available somewhere for testing?
[12:56] <zsombi> karni: comin in staging soon
[12:56] <karni> is it the one related to different behavior of PageStack for converged UIs?
[12:56] <karni> zsombi: cheers
[12:56] <zsombi> karni: but Header work is still to come from t1mp
[12:57]  * karni nod
[12:57] <nik90> zsombi: I cannot reliably validate it without taking more time. You should approve it if you're confident.
[12:57] <zsombi> karni: yep
[12:57] <zsombi> nik90: I can be confident if your test shows different thing
[12:58] <zsombi> nik90: beside. it was made against trunk, so it needs a landing...
[12:58] <zsombi> nik90: however, if this goes to ota5, then we have time
[12:59] <zsombi> karni: https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/multicolumnview/+merge/261703
[13:01] <karni> zsombi: nice :)
[13:04] <zsombi> karni: note, MultiColumnView with 1 column will be the PageStack
[13:04] <karni> makes sense
[13:04] <zsombi> so most probably PageStack will be based on MultiColumnView
[13:05] <karni> zsombi: when are these expected to be available for testing in staging? (this + usable header, in case current work is required)?
[13:06] <zsombi> karni: the final is expected to be in staging by wk31, but the header work should be there within 2 weeks
[13:07] <zsombi> karni: so stable will be on wk31
[13:07] <zsombi> 32
[13:07] <zsombi> eventually
[13:07] <karni> zsombi: sorry, I don't have week numbers enabled in calendar. what does that translate to in human speech :D?
[13:07] <karni> 2 weeks sounds good :)
[13:08] <karni> great, actually
[13:08] <zsombi> karni: I have a proto for the Messaging app to test it, so you can check that https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/messaging-app/prototypeWithMCV
[13:09] <zsombi> karni: the adaptive column handling is good to go actually
[13:09] <zsombi> karni: we are on wk 25 now
[13:09] <karni> oh that's cool!
[13:09] <karni> aha :)
[13:09] <zsombi> karni: we may optimize it, or perhaps redo it if we see that we need some major header refactoring to get the header working properly
[13:10] <zsombi> karni: and header work is the bigger bone in this storry
[13:10] <karni> zsombi: sure, np. it'll be a while before I can lay my hands on it
[13:10] <zsombi> karni: I am writing some tests now and then it is ready for t1mp to continue with the header
[13:11] <karni> :thumbsup:
[13:11] <zsombi> karni: I'd recommend to play with the idea on using it, so we can get early feedback on API if we need to change sthing
[13:11] <zsombi> or if sthing is not clear from the docs
[13:13] <nik90> zsombi: good news..i got it to crash once before applying patch..haven't had it crash after applying patch and reproducing steps again..
[13:13] <zsombi> nik90: huhh...
[13:14] <nik90> zsombi: i had clock app open and changed the timezone manually .. and alarm can be enabled/disabled without any crash
[13:14] <nik90> on the phone that is
[13:14] <nik90> I had no luck on vivid desktop
[13:14] <zsombi> bzoltan: ^
[13:18] <nik90> zsombi: commented and approved in MP
[13:18] <zsombi> nik90: thx!!!
[13:18] <zsombi> nik90: as said, we may need to move this to ota5 :(
[13:19] <nik90> zsombi: that's fine..I am stil going to go ahead with a new clock app release since this crash exists in today's OTA-4 image.
[13:19] <nik90> zsombi: so clock-app is not the cause and shouldn't be blocked. I will take it up with popey and QA later today.
[13:19] <zsombi> nik90: cool!
[13:19] <seb128> nik90, what you said earlier, it means no stopwatch added to the default image before the16.04?
[13:20] <nik90> seb128: I am more or less sure unfortunately. The SDK will provide timer API only in 16.04 and I doubt I will get designs for stopwatch or timer before that happens with current focus on convergence.
[13:21] <seb128> nik90, do we need design to work on that? can't that just be hacked in whatever way you find to work and tweaked/redesigned later?
[13:22] <Elleo> nik90: looks like that menu rotation bug is fixed with the shell rotation stuff, so we can just land the rotation branch without automaticOrientation and then it'll start automatically working with OTA5 (since you no longer need to set automaticOrientation with shell rotation, it's controlled in the .desktop file then)
[13:23] <nik90> seb128: the problem is we don't use a standard tabs navigation model...once I add Tabs, the main clock app will get a page header and pretty much kill the clean look of the clock app. And I don't want to keep rewriting the clock app again and again because of design changes.
[13:23] <seb128> nik90, I see, I guess users can install one of the click store apps then ;-)
[13:23] <seb128> nik90, thanks
[13:24] <nik90> seb128: yeah .. its way too much work with fixing the autopilot, qml tests and so much that it just isn't worth the effort especially when later designs will be completely different :/
[13:25] <nik90> Elleo: it does fix it. I disabled automaticOrientation (as it was by default) in my branch. So yes we can land it as it is.
[13:26] <zsombi> t1mp: I feel we would need a function in MultiColumnView which would clear all the pages added...
[13:27] <t1mp> zsombi: we have removePages(page) already. If you pass the root page there, it clears everything.
[13:27] <seb128> nik90, why do you disable rotation?
[13:27] <zsombi> t1mp: well, the first column can have many "root" pages
[13:28] <nik90> seb128: because the clock app designs that I have up until now indicate that clock app was meant to run in the side-stage.
[13:28] <zsombi> t1mp: if you add a page with null page reference, that means the first column gets a new root, sibling to the other one, as the first colum pages do not have common parents
[13:28] <nik90> seb128: until I get further designs, best just to lock it in portrait mode.
[13:29] <seb128> k
[13:29] <seb128> it seems to work mostly fine in landscape, just miss some scrollable
[13:29] <seb128> but your choice I guess ;-)
[13:29] <t1mp> zsombi: still, you have a stack, even though with multiple columns. Each row in the stack only has one Page. So there is a top-most row (or bottom-most depending how you build it up)
[13:29] <t1mp> (bottom is better, since top() is usually the last page added)
[13:30] <zsombi> t1mp: dude... removePages(page) removes a tree
[13:30] <zsombi> t1mp: it removes all child pages of the given page including the page
[13:30] <t1mp> zsombi: yes
[13:30] <t1mp> zsombi: what would the clear function do?
[13:30] <zsombi> t1mp: so, if you add two pages to the first column, and you remove the first added one, that won't remove the second one
[13:31] <nik90> seb128: I just thought clock, address-book and dialer were similar in that aspect and designed to be in the side-stage, later we can use MultiColumn view and Flickable when we get to that stage.
[13:31] <zsombi> t1mp: because they can be both added with addPageToCurrentColumn(null, page);
[13:31] <zsombi> t1of course we can say that this is not good...
[13:31] <seb128> nik90, k
[13:31] <t1mp> zsombi: if you addToCurrent(page1); addToCurrent(page2), then removePages(page1) should remove both page1 and page2
[13:32] <zsombi> t1mp: and we can say that addPageTo[Current/Next]Column should always get a valid sourcePage property
[13:32] <zsombi> t1mp: you keep forgetting the second parameter man
[13:32] <zsombi> t1mp: the sourcePage
[13:33] <t1mp> zsombi: the sourcePage should be the first parameter, so you cannot leave it out
[13:33] <zsombi> t1mp: we are no longer working a s a stack, we are working as a tree
[13:33] <t1mp> zsombi: that's how you have it in the doc also
[13:33] <zsombi> t1mp: heh???!
[13:33] <zsombi> yes
[13:33] <zsombi> t1mp: but you can set it as null
[13:33] <zsombi> t1mp: in which case it adds to the first column
[13:33] <t1mp> let's not allow that, that will mess up everything
[13:33] <zsombi> t1mp: without having any parent page
[13:34] <zsombi> t1mp: ok, that's what I wanted to say
[13:34] <t1mp> ok
[13:34] <zsombi> t1mp: so the first page must then be set with primaryPage, right?
[13:34] <t1mp> yeah
[13:34] <zsombi> t1mp: deal
[13:34] <zsombi> :)
[13:34] <t1mp> and when adding a new page, its parentPage must be in the tree already
[13:35] <t1mp> not sure if parentPage is the best name though, because we have parents in the tree of Items already
[13:35] <t1mp> hmm
[13:35] <White> Hi everyone
[13:35] <t1mp> well parent is a very generic name that makes sense often to use
[13:35] <White> What's the topic?
[13:36] <zsombi> t1mp: sourcePage is we call aint we
[13:37] <t1mp> zsombi: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bSoEynFzD3VAB8kLJW4lcVgtlEzwEF5_RicNQTIA-RY/edit# needs to be updated then
[13:37] <t1mp> zsombi: also the API at the top does not match the API a bit further down
[13:37] <zsombi> ah, ok
[13:45] <zsombi> t1mp: updated
[13:45] <zsombi> t1mp: also, should we allow to remove the primaryPage?
[13:45] <zsombi> t1mp: I think we shouldn't
[13:45] <t1mp> zsombi: don't forget https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/100-SectionBar/+merge/260502
[13:45] <t1mp> zsombi: no we don't allow to remove primaryPage
[13:46] <zsombi> t1mp: ok
[13:46] <zsombi> t1mp: update components.api
[13:46] <t1mp> zsombi: I did. The jenkins results are not from the latest revision
[13:46] <zsombi> t1mp: your MR fails
[13:46] <t1mp> FAILED: Continuous integration, rev:1558
[13:46] <t1mp> the last revision is 1564
[13:47] <zsombi> aha
[14:25] <zsombi> t1mp: happroved
[14:28] <t1mp> zsombi: great, thanks!
[14:30] <zsombi> t1mp: MultiColumnView MR is ready for you
[14:31] <t1mp> zsombi: ok, I was just checking it
[14:31] <t1mp> zsombi: you may want to change the commit message :)
[14:31] <zsombi> t1mp: yes, I will: )
[14:31] <zsombi> t1mp: done :)
[14:42] <t1mp> zsombi: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bSoEynFzD3VAB8kLJW4lcVgtlEzwEF5_RicNQTIA-RY/edit#
[14:42] <t1mp> zsombi: ^ColumnViewConfiguration should be ColumnMetrics?
[14:43] <vitimiti> Can I set the parent of a pop up by using PopupUtils.open(component, parent)?
[15:08] <t1mp> vitimiti: no. The parent is always the root window, otherwise the popup cannot position itself freely in that window. But you can set the caller of the pop up
[15:10] <vitimiti> t1mp, I am trying to open a second dialog from a first dialog, but if I close the first dialog while doing so, the second one will be completely blocked, I can't press any buttons on it and have to close the window. The dialogs end up stacking up on the screen. Is there a solution for this? (can give the code)
[15:17] <t1mp> we don't support stacking of dialogs
[15:17] <t1mp> are there any designers around to give advice here?
[15:18] <t1mp> Femma_: ^?
[15:21] <Femma_> Stacking of dialogs is not a good idea
[15:22] <t1mp> vitimiti: what is your use case?
[15:23] <vitimiti> t1mp, I have a help dialog that would have two buttons: one is a "OK" button that should simply close the dialog, and the other one is an "About" button that opens a second dialog. If I don't close the Help dialog I can clearly see how the screen goes darker and darker as they stack on top of each other and the Help dialog is there after closing the About dialog. But if I close the Help dialog when opening the About dialog, the About
[15:23] <vitimiti> dialog's buttons won't work
[15:31] <t1mp> Femma_: ^do we have a pattern for cases like that?
[16:37] <mihir> hey popey
[16:37] <mihir> popey: could you suggest something on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1464459 ?
[16:37] <mihir> like which color would be better, or should we wait for the UX input ?
[16:42] <popey> hey mihir
[16:42] <popey> mihir: will ask design :)
[16:43] <mihir> popey: okay :)
[16:43] <popey> thanks mihir
[16:43] <popey> how you doing ?
[16:43] <mihir> popey: doing good , i know after long time was struggling for settling in new phase of life , finally kind of set up
[16:45] <popey> All settled in now?
[16:45] <JMulholland> mihir popey i’ll check on the latest from Visual Design
[16:45] <popey> thanks JMulholland
[16:45] <popey> See, I didn't even have to ask
[16:45] <JMulholland> theire doing some substantial work on overhauling style atm
[16:45] <JMulholland> *theyre
[16:47] <mihir> JMulholland: great just comment on that bug once you have final call for the same.
[16:51] <JMulholland> will do!
[16:52] <JMulholland> ^ mihir
[18:42] <rarara> hi people. I am trying to get started with app development in touch. However, all the examples in qtcreator contain an include of "../shared/shared.h" which is not present. How can I get it working? locate doesn't find any file like that and i didn't find anything on google. care to help?
[18:47] <nik90> rarara: yeah I have the same issue as well. I ended up just following the tutorial at developer.ubuntu.com when I started long time ago.
[18:58] <rarara> nik90: is the tutorial up to date? I will do it but the sdk is still installing
[18:59]  * nik90 checks
[19:00] <nik90> rarara: more or less they are..they are using some older imports but those will still work.
[19:01] <nik90> rarara: once you install ubuntu-sdk and use qtcreator, it has further detailed API information that you can read to know more about using a specific component.
[19:01] <nik90> rarara: how familiar are you with qt/qml programming?
[19:18] <nik90> mzanetti: Fixed portrait orientation for fahrplan at https://github.com/smurfy/fahrplan/pull/213. I had to lock it since it breaks badly in some places in landscape mode.
[19:18] <nik90> mzanetti: I think it would be best to wait for MultiColumnView to land in the Ubuntu SDK before we start work on landscape mode.
[19:19] <mzanetti> nik90, wow. that was fast
[19:20] <mzanetti> ah, you locked it down
[19:20] <mzanetti> nik90, works for me
[19:21] <nik90> mzanetti: had too..the OSK takes way too much space in landscape mode for the stations page to be of any use
[19:21] <nik90> s/had too/I had to
[19:21] <mzanetti> right... have this problem in more places
[19:22] <nik90> yes.
[19:23] <nik90> mzanetti: I tried to make a slightly fancier design by using icons to denote duration, station etc..but the listview starts crawling slowly..seems performance is good only without any icons.
[19:24] <mzanetti> huh
[19:24] <mzanetti> icons shouldn't be *that* bad
[19:26] <nik90> not sure what went wrong when I tried that..I will create like a demo branch to prove it :)
[20:30] <dubstar_04> is there any documentation for creating layouts with OptionSelector?
[20:38] <dubstar_04> Anyone here?
[20:40] <ogra_> it is more busy during the european workday ...
[20:43] <dubstar_04> Where are we supposed to get support as developers?
[20:53] <ogra_> here
[20:58] <dubstar_04> no one ever answers questions in here.
[20:59] <ogra_> thsi afternoon it was very busy ... in europe is is simply late and most devs seem to be in that timezome
[22:53] <totojay> hi
[22:55] <totojay> i'm french and i want to install touch on my nexus 5 under hammerhead anyone know xhere i can find a wikihow


[00:20] <peacememories> ah, #ubuntu is too crowded -.-
[00:21] <peacememories> maybe someone here can help (sorry to bother you)
[00:21] <peacememories> i have a weird problem with my laptop
[00:21] <peacememories> it occurs only on linux but on every linux i've tried so far
[00:21] <peacememories> the problem, in general is, that whenever i stop moving my mouse, the computer seems to fall asleep
[00:22] <peacememories> one example: i try playing a flash-movie (1080p). if i move my mouse during the whole movie, it runs smoothly
[00:22] <peacememories> if i stop moving my mouse, the video glitches every few seconds, which makes it unwatchable
[00:23] <peacememories> but it's not only flash. if i download something and don't move my mouse for a while, the download just gets stuck. and when i move the mouse again, it displays something like "2kbs" and wont go up again
[00:24] <peacememories> the same thing with media playback of any sort
[00:25] <peacememories> help? please? *snif*
[00:27] <charlie-tca> check the power management settings? It sounds like it is going to sleep or hibernate or something similar
[00:28] <peacememories> i disabled the "cpu frequency control" in the power settings so far... unfortunately i don't know much about powersaving-settings on linux
[00:28] <charlie-tca> Usually they are set to default about 15 minutes
[00:29] <charlie-tca> depends on the distribution. I think in Ubuntu they are under system -> Preferences -> power manager or screensaver
[00:29] <peacememories> i have xubuntu 10.10
[00:30] <peacememories> or 9.10 ?
[00:30] <peacememories> the current dist, anyway XD
[00:30] <charlie-tca> Then they are under Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Power Management
[00:31] <peacememories> well, that's exactly the same i get when clicking on the xfce-battery-plugin
[00:31] <peacememories> it's set to never suspend the machine
[00:34] <peacememories> setting the powermizer-settings to maximum power doesn't help either...
[00:39] <peacememories> augh... i can't think of any solution... -.-
[09:29] <Balsaq> silence is golden in the cerebral labyrinth known as...Xubuntu!!!
[09:35] <akis> is there any possibility for xubuntu to recognize my pcmcia tp-link wl310g wireless card?
[09:39] <Balsaq> do u run buntu inside of windows?
[09:45] <akis> no i want to clean install xubuntu and i am wondering because wireless card is the most important thing for me because otherwise i dont have internet access
[09:45] <knome> akis, try with live cd
[09:47] <akis> yep that's the a good idea i am looking already to realize it. please write here the link for it. is it possible to find live cd for older xubuntu versions, because my system has only 256 mb ram and 10.10 must be heavy enough.
[09:49] <knome> akis, the desktop iso works as live cd
[09:49] <knome> bbl->
[09:50] <Sysi> older than 8.04 if even that are not supported anymore
[09:51] <Sysi> newer that that have about same ram usage i think
[09:52] <Sysi> !lubuntu
[09:52] <Sysi> it's more about prigrams you use, xubuntu should still work on 256, i recommend LTS 10.04
[09:53] <Balsaq> its awful slow on 256 whew
[10:15] <akis> u mean that the desktop iso that is available for hd installation runs also as live?
[10:15] <Sysi> yes
[10:19] <akis> thanks. i have already some older versions of xubuntu. do they also run as live-cd's?
[13:06] <nicofs> How can I scale my cpu speed?
[13:13] <Sysi> add/install governor-plugin to the panel
[13:14] <knome> buy a sower cpu
[13:14] <knome> slower
[13:35] <nicofs> how can I scale my cpu/fan speed?
[14:07] <nicofs> How can I scale/set/alter my CPU/fan speed?
[14:09] <Sysi> http://www.pantz.org/software/cpufreq/usingcpufreqonlinux.html
[14:09] <Sysi> if governor isn't what you want
[14:10] <Sysi> fans i'd do from bios or if not possible straight HW
[14:14] <goldschr> Is anyone else on 10.10 having problems moving their panel items around?
[14:20] <nicofs> Sysi: erm,,, how exactly do I see, what kernel module I need or have already loaded... I can't really interpret the output...
[14:21] <nicofs> Sysi: http://pastebin.org/312849 and http://pastebin.org/312855
[14:23] <nicofs> apart from that I'd be happy with any gui solution...
[14:31] <nicofs> why isn't that integrated in xubuntu? just click on the battery/power logo and choose between low/high/ondemand. that's what I have in mind... like in windows/ubuntu...
[14:31] <Sysi> like governor panel plugin?
[14:32] <nicofs> well, is that what governor does?
[14:32] <Sysi> exactly
[14:32] <Sysi> add to panel, if not available by default: install xfce-governor-plugin
[14:32] <Sysi> not sure about name
[14:33] <nicofs> I think I tried that before and it didn't work... but that was pre 10.10
[14:41] <nicofs> it appears to work... thank xou!
[14:41] <nicofs> *you
[14:42] <os390> i just want test compiz in xubuntu . is there a how to how install compiz in xubuntu 10.10 thx..
[15:16] <os390> i just want test compiz in xubuntu . is there a how to how install compiz in xubuntu 10.10 thx..
[15:21] <Sysi> sudo apt-get install compiz-core compiz-plugins compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (emarald) && compiz--replace
[15:21] <Sysi> install compizconfig-settings-manager too
[15:22] <os390> thx Sysi
[16:12] <wirelesspacket> http://tinyurl.com/38uwskw
[16:13] <wirelesspacket> whoops..
[16:13] <wirelesspacket> sorry for posting.. that is the facebook refresh extension for Chrome.
[16:13] <Guest16383> I am running xubuntu 10.04 and most of my processes are sleeping, I don't know why, i've tried rebooting and the didn't work and can't find anyone with the same problem in any forums
[16:20] <autif> LOL?
[16:21] <autif> All of mine are sleeping too, let me try to reboot
[16:22] <autif> sorry, count not resist
[16:23] <Kipperoo1> I think my processes stayed up too late last night, they're all sleeping.
[16:35] <Dracaris> just got done installing my new Ram and i see a diff :3 Xubuntu started up faster and is alot more responsive
[16:36] <Dracaris> (went from 512MB Ram to 1GB DDR2-4200)
[18:14] <zamzam> hello there! may i ask for assistance with asus eee t91 configuration here?
[18:14] <charlie-tca> !ask
[18:17] <zamzam> Please help me with t91 touch screen, i don't understand, how should i configure evtouch without xorg.conf
[18:18] <zamzam> also, i can't find calibrate_touchscreen script in 10.10
[19:31] <anarsoul> hi there
[19:32] <anarsoul> I have a problem with dual screen setup in xubuntu-10.10
[19:32] <anarsoul> I did xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 --below LVDS1, and got VGA1 enabled
[19:32] <anarsoul> so I see wallpaper on it (and on my primary screen - LVDS1)
[19:32] <anarsoul> and I can move mouse between them
[19:33] <anarsoul> but I can't move window to VGA1, xfwm4 disallows to move it below LVDS1, i.e. it stops moving when window header is near panel
[19:34] <anarsoul> I'm sure xfwm4 is guilty, as I checked with openbox and it works OK
[19:34] <anarsoul> is it known issue? and is there any workaround/fix?
[19:35] <anarsoul> LVDS1 has 1280x800
[19:36] <anarsoul> and I'm using intel gma950
[19:36] <Sysi> move panel to other side of screen
[19:37] <anarsoul> Sysi: I want to keep it on LVDS1
[19:37] <anarsoul> :)
[19:37] <Sysi> same screen, different position
[19:39] <anarsoul> Sysi: will check in ~40 minutes, right now VGA1 is a bit busy :)
[19:39] <domi007> hello
[19:40] <domi007> I have a Hardy Installation, having a chroot inside, and now I need X in the chroot, so what I did is I shut down the host machine's X server, so the chroot can access the screen, and now it starts up, but my cursor won't move any other way only to the right....I can move my mouse anywhere, but the cursor goes only to the right...I can click, but can't  move...oh, and my Hardy Installation is running in VBox...anyone has any idea?
[19:40] <domi007> hello, anyone here?
[19:40] <knome> !patience | domi007
[19:41] <domi007> just asked, if anyone reads this channel at all..
[19:46] <domi007> I do need support, anyone can help me out?
[19:48] <charlie-tca> very possible no one here knows the answer. chroot is a special area of knowledge
[19:49] <domi007> okay, thanks anyway
[19:49] <domi007> will return to the ubuntu main help channel
[19:49] <domi007> bye
[20:25] <anarsoul> Sysi: it works OK when panel is freely moveable
[20:25] <anarsoul> but when it's at fixed position it does not work
[20:25] <anarsoul> :(
[20:25] <anarsoul> well, it even works if panel is at top of LVDS1
[20:26] <anarsoul> weird :\
[20:27] <anarsoul> Sysi: this bug is really annoying :\
[20:28] <anarsoul> is it already on xfce/xubuntu bugtracker?
[20:29] <Sysi> idk
[20:32] <anarsoul> ok, it's in xfce bugzilla: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3419
[21:16] <MaximumResults> Any Xubuntu gurus here?
[21:18] <charlie-tca> !ask | MaximumResults
[21:18] <MaximumResults> OK.  Sorry, new here.
[21:18] <charlie-tca> Yeah, no problem
[21:19]  * charlie-tca thinks that was a better answer then "No, we just like the peace and quiet here" :-)
[21:19] <MaximumResults> I'm setting up Xubuntu on a "new" (to me) Dell Inspiron 1150.   I installed 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat).   A few issues I notice.
[21:19] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:19] <MaximumResults> 1)   The power button doesn't do anything at all.
[21:19] <MaximumResults> I've tried to set it up to hibernate on the power button in the settings,
[21:20] <MaximumResults> but the button doesn't seem to work, except that holding it for 10 seconds or so will do a hard poweroff.
[21:20] <charlie-tca> Is it set up in the bios to work as hibernate?
[21:21] <MaximumResults> There isn't anything in the BIOS setup for the power button (at least I haven't found anything).
[21:21] <MaximumResults> In Windoze, it will trigger the "Turn off" computer window (restart/power off/sleep choices)
[21:22] <MaximumResults> But Xubuntu seems to ignore the button entirely.
[21:22] <Sysi> press it and type dmesg in terminal
[21:23] <MaximumResults> nothing in dmesg after pressing the button
[21:24] <Sysi> if kernel don't know that button, not much to do propably
[21:24] <MaximumResults> and no changes at all in the /var/log directory when I push the power button.
[21:25] <MaximumResults> OK.  So it's just broken.   I guess I can live with that.
[21:25] <MaximumResults> I also can't seem to add a keyboard shortcut.
[21:26] <MaximumResults> I go to applications->Settings->XFCE4 settings manager,  click the Keyboard icon
[21:26] <MaximumResults> and go to the "Application Shortcuts" tab.
[21:26] <MaximumResults> There used to be a "Themes" thing on the left and shortcuts on the right.
[21:26] <Sysi> for some fn thing in my homemade kernel i can't check if pressing powerbutton does something in dmesg
[21:26] <MaximumResults> But in 10.10 Maverick Meerkat, it seems the "Themes" side is gone.
[21:26] <charlie-tca> so you hit the "Add" button ?
[21:27] <MaximumResults> Yeah, I click add
[21:27] <MaximumResults> and I put in a command, but there's no place to select which key to assign it to.
[21:27] <charlie-tca> and you type in your command, like "shutdown"
[21:27] <charlie-tca> then you click okay
[21:27] <MaximumResults> When I click OK, it takes me back to the keyboard shortcuts tab.  No changes.
[21:28] <MaximumResults> Just the default shortcuts listed.
[21:28] <charlie-tca> shut and you get a new box, don't you?
[21:28] <MaximumResults> It never asks for which key.
[21:28] <charlie-tca> It should have given another box after Okay, states Command shortcut
[21:29] <charlie-tca> You hit the key you want assigned that command, and it exits to the shortcuts tab at that point?
[21:29] <MaximumResults> It just did this time.
[21:29] <MaximumResults> And I hit the key I wanted to assign, and it looks like it worked.
[21:30] <charlie-tca> If you don't pay close attention, you probably hit "Cancel" and that second box goes away without any questions
[21:30] <MaximumResults> I swear I was paying attention, and that box wasn't coming up.
[21:30] <MaximumResults> It does now.
[21:30] <MaximumResults> So I'm good.
[21:31] <charlie-tca> hey, one out of two isn't too bad
[21:31] <MaximumResults> I just assigned a key to /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh   So that should give me a way to hibernate from pushing a key combination.
[21:31] <MaximumResults> Which is almost as good as using the power switch.
[21:31] <MaximumResults> I'm about to try it and see if it works.
[21:31] <charlie-tca> Also, be aware, it should ask for your password to come out of hibernate, I think
[21:32] <MaximumResults> Ooops.   Nothing happened.
[21:32] <MaximumResults> $ /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh
[21:32] <MaximumResults> This utility may only be run by the root user.
[21:33] <MaximumResults> Looks like I'll have to change the shortcut to sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh
[21:34] <MaximumResults> Will stuff from a keyboard shortcut run in a terminal?
[21:35] <charlie-tca> as far as I know, but I could be wrong
[21:35] <MaximumResults> I guess I'll find out.
[21:35] <charlie-tca> It should still invoke, I think, since Alt+F2 does
[21:38] <MaximumResults> Where does sudo log it's accesses?
[21:39] <MaximumResults> It's not doing anything.   It doesn't start in a terminal.
[21:39] <charlie-tca> I would look in /var/log/syslog
[21:45] <MaximumResults> Nothing was happening.   Nothing in the logs.
[21:46] <MaximumResults> I'm changing it to   xterm -e 'sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh'
[21:47] <charlie-tca> Do you have a big enough swap partition to hibernate?
[21:47] <MaximumResults> that works.  It pops up a terminal and asks for the password.
[21:48] <MaximumResults> Now if I can remember how to add that command to the sudoers file so that it doesn't ask for password and only works without the password from the localhost (not for someone logged in remotely, not that anyone should be logged in remotely).
[21:48] <MaximumResults> Yeah, it can hibernate.
[21:49] <MaximumResults> I also notice that I don't get a "Hibernate" button in the shutdown choices when I click on the logout/shutdown button at the upper right.   I have to right click the battery (xfce4-power-manager) and select "Hibernate" from that menu.
[21:52] <MaximumResults> well, for now I have it where I can hit Ctl-alt-H and hibernate. I might add a "are you sure" prompt.
[21:53] <MaximumResults> Thanks for the help.   I don't know what I was doing wrong before with the keyboard shortcuts.
[21:53] <charlie-tca> If they hit the right combination, they should be sure.
[21:53] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[22:18] <freedmo> hi
[22:23] <freedmo> Hi, i need help with vino under xfce(ubuntu 10.10 server x32), because in the preferences vino say it is only reachable over.the local network.


[00:09] <seif> jcastro, we are working on that btw, zeitgeist will index all your files on first run (kinda cheating)
[00:09]  * jcastro nods
[00:09] <seif> jcastro, we tested on an ssd with 100k files it needed 6 seconds
[00:09] <seif> :)
[00:09] <jcastro> as long as you don't tracker-my-cpu for 45 minutes. :)
[00:09] <jcastro> oh, nice!
[00:09] <seif> but again its kinda of a cheat
[01:38] <kenvandine> Trevinho, ping me anytime... i have plenty of things i need help with!
[01:41] <Trevinho> kenvandine: Ok... Cool :)
[01:41] <kenvandine> there is a ton to do and oneiric feature freeze is coming fast!
[01:41] <Trevinho> Now I've to go to bed, and tomorrow I should finish something I'm doing in unity, but then I hope that I can I help you
[01:41] <kenvandine> great
[01:42] <Trevinho> Eh, I know... And I've too many things I'd like to do too :/
[01:42] <kenvandine> send me a message on twitter
[01:42] <kenvandine> and i'll come find you :)
[01:44] <kenvandine> Trevinho, good night!
[01:44] <Trevinho> Ok, thanks kenvandine ;)
[09:21] <andyrock> unity-panel-services leaks memory on my pc.... how i could valgrind it?
[10:09] <Andy80> hi all
[10:10] <Andy80> using Ubuntu 11.04 and the "Ubuntu Classic" session, there is a strange bug with pop-up menus. Better an image to explain http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/bugmenu.jpg/ please note: I get this in almost any pop-up menu, not only the Trash one.
[10:23] <andyrock> Andy80, know bug
[10:28] <Andy80> andyrock: s\know\known (conosciuto) - ok, thank you :)
[10:30] <andyrock> Andy80, damn :)
[10:30] <andyrock> Andy80, btw i think it's an ambiance/radiance bug
[10:31] <andyrock> Andy80, but i'm not sure about it
[10:31] <Andy80> andyrock: so it's related to the theme, not to the base libraries?
[10:32] <andyrock> Andy80, i think it's related to the theme engine
[10:32] <Andy80> yes, I meant "theme engine"
[10:32] <Andy80> ok, cool
[10:33] <andyrock> Andy80, i'm not sure about this eh... maybe Cimi could give us more information ^^^
[11:04] <Cimi> maybe it's a bug in light-themes, but I won't bother fixing it, as gnome panel is switching to gtk3
[12:45] <coz_>   brb
[13:18] <andyrock> DBO around?
[13:32] <marcobiscaro2112> hey guys
[13:32] <marcobiscaro2112> there is someone else with problems to compile unity?
[13:32] <marcobiscaro2112> http://paste.ubuntu.com/655104/
[13:34] <andyrock> marcobiscaro2112, you should compile unity-misc from trunk ;)
[13:34] <andyrock> bzr branch lp:unity-misc
[13:35] <marcobiscaro2112> ok, i'll try this
[13:35] <marcobiscaro2112> thanks
[13:35] <andyrock> marcobiscaro2112, thx for the review btw
[13:36] <marcobiscaro2112> ;-)
[13:43] <marcobiscaro2112> andyrock, I'm getting the same error
[13:43] <marcobiscaro2112> bzr branch lp:libunity-misc; cd libunity-misc; ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr;make;sudo make install
[13:43] <marcobiscaro2112> then, tried to compile unity again
[13:44] <andyrock> try to run cmake againg
[13:44] <andyrock> *again
[13:44] <marcobiscaro2112> I've tried this too, should I remove build directory and start again?
[13:45] <andyrock> i should try :)
[13:45] <marcobiscaro2112> ok, trying!
[15:58] <andyrock> smspillaz, around=
[15:58] <andyrock> ?


[01:03] <tsimonq2> sil2100 did.
[01:04] <Unit193> Ah, he's not in here either.
[01:45] <tsimonq2> He needs to get a bouncer. :P
[01:48] <Unit193> I don't have one.
[01:49] <Unit193> Anyway, as that page shows, I don't get *that* many sponsorships.


[12:00] <AnRkey> 2.6.22-13-generic works fine with my Intel graphics, 2.6.22-14-generic does not. What package should i report this bug under? I have a screenshot of the problem >> http://www.tiehab.com/problem.png
[12:06] <amitk> AnRkey: report it under linux-source-2.6.22 or something like that
[12:06] <AnRkey> ok
[12:06] <AnRkey> thanks
[03:41] <mvo> does anyone object if I add a conflict for nvidia-settings against nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new? the later two have their own /usr/bin/nvidia-settings
[03:45] <DexterF> hi
[03:46] <DexterF> will the r8187 backport that's in feisty's 2.6.20 not be in gutsy's 2.6.22? or is the code merged into another module?
[05:44] <verwilst> grm, having problems with the xen kernel :(
[05:44] <verwilst> the bridge doesn't get picked up by iptables, and i have domU freezes with "Time went backwards" messages :(
[06:55] <verwilst> zul: if i want to test another patch
[06:56] <verwilst> do i need to git-clone your ubuntu.git? or the "official" one now?
[07:11] <zul> verwilst: the offical one
[07:12] <verwilst> zul: thanks
[07:12] <verwilst> zul: http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-changelog/2007-10/msg00013.html
[07:12] <verwilst> i want to try and test this patch
[07:12] <verwilst> because i'm having lots of problems with my xen kernel
[07:12] <zul> yeah i saw that im working on another one as well
[07:12] <verwilst> well, 1 problem, but re-occurring :)
[07:12] <verwilst> zul: ah, on the ml? :)
[07:13] <zul> verwilst: nope
[07:13] <verwilst> zul: another thing you might know something about is that iptables can't see the inter-domU traffic
[07:13] <verwilst> no matter what i do
[07:13] <verwilst> sounds like a bug too
[07:14] <zul> ill have a look
[07:14] <verwilst> zul: those are the only 2 things that seem off to me
[07:15] <verwilst> they are pretty vital before i can put my server into production
[07:15] <verwilst> ( it's already racked remotely, so rebooting is pretty 'fingers crossed' :d )
[07:47] <verwilst> zul: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0709.1/1728.html
[07:48] <zul> verwilst: try it out im at work right now
[07:52] <verwilst> will do! git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git right?
[07:52] <zul> yep
[08:03] <verwilst> zul: remind me how to build again? :)
[08:03] <verwilst> custom-binary.d/xen custom something eh? :)
[08:09] <zul> verwilst: check the readme in the debian/custom-binary.d directory
[08:10] <verwilst> will do
[10:54] <jwoo> I had a silly question... Would anyone know how to obtain a list of RFC's supported by the Linux kernel?
[10:54] <jwoo> *have
[11:35] <b08y_> hello, how can i see in launchpad, if a bug like that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/88746 was viewed by an kernel developer or an important person(like a kernel hacker)?  Who sets the status of bugs like that one? The bug reporter or who?
[11:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88746 in linux-source-2.6.22 "USB devices are not recognized when having ehci_hcd modprobed" [Undecided,Invalid]
[12:02] <bdmurray> b08y_: you could look at the activity log to see who set the status
[12:30] <verwilst> zul: i'm running with the patch from http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0709.1/1728.html
[12:31] <verwilst> let's hope the "time went backwards" freezes are history
[12:39] <verwilst> zul: ok, didn't help, it already hang another domU
[12:39] <verwilst> pffff
[12:39] <verwilst> damned!


[09:35] <bittin> Any reason there has been no 21.04 daily builds for a couple of days?
[10:25] <arunpyasi> Is there any issue with gcc lately?
 a new build is out in some minutes again
 now
 because of the downtime of the launchpad builders for !x86. should have been poked to work now as far as I can read (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <bittin> Any reason there has been no 21.04 daily builds for a couple of days?)
 yep it does, and oh alright (re @RikMills: because of the downtime of the launchpad builders for !x86. should have been poked to work now as far as I can read)