[06:17] <didrocks> good morning
[06:20] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:33] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:37] <acheronuk> is there any .xcf or s.vg of the cuttelefish mascot available, or can be made available?
[06:37] <acheronuk> your ubiquity slideshow usually ships in images-source/ the .xcf of your background with logo, but even that is missing
[06:41]  * duflu searches
[06:44] <didrocks> acheronuk: maybe ask willcooke once around?
[06:45] <didrocks> he's supposed to be in London this week, close to the design team anyway :)
[06:46] <acheronuk> didrocks: thanks. sounds a plan. have even checked git/bzr but no luck
[06:48] <acheronuk> would be nice to be able to do a flavour release banner of a decent quality with the mascot
[07:04] <duflu> I can only find jpegs... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcefiles/ubuntu-wallpapers/18.10.2-0ubuntu1/ubuntu-wallpapers_18.10.2.orig.tar.gz
[07:05] <acheronuk> ditto
[08:11] <willcooke> morning
[08:11] <willcooke> jamesh, hihi!  Any joy on the font cache thing?
[08:12] <duflu> Hi willcooke
[08:12] <willcooke> afternoon duflu, how goes?
[08:12] <duflu> willcooke, on a conference call ;)
[08:12] <willcooke> :)
[08:12] <duflu> But good. You, willcooke?
[08:13] <willcooke> so far so good
[08:13] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:13] <jamesh> willcooke: still testing with the daily image.  The move to uuid based cache file naming triggers the same problems as cache file version changes previously
[08:16] <jamesh> willcooke: i.e. upgrading the libfontconfig used in confinement could get it to work fine with cosmic but might just move the problem to bionic
[08:17] <willcooke> jamesh, ah yeah
[08:18] <jamesh> one band-aid solution would be to SRU new fontconfig into the LTS releases, but that's obviously going to have some push back
[08:18] <jamesh> and doesn't help if fontconfig changes it's cache again
[08:21] <willcooke> yeah, sounds like a very temporary solution
[08:21] <willcooke> Bionic is still working "good" though right
[08:21] <willcooke> ?
[08:21] <jamesh> yes.
[08:21] <willcooke> cool
[08:29] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:30] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:30] <clobrano> good morning all 0/
[08:30] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:30] <seb128> hey clobrano
[08:30] <seb128> how is everyone today?
[08:30] <clobrano> hey seb128 :)
[08:30] <didrocks> releasing-mood :)
[08:30] <didrocks> hey clobrano
[08:30] <didrocks> Happy release day !
[08:30] <clobrano> yuhuu, release day :)
[08:48] <acheronuk> didrocks: svg obtained. thanks to you (and Alan Pope on telegram) for suggesting to ask Will
[08:48] <didrocks> great! :)
[08:48] <Laney> acheronuk: could you do a merge proposal for the slideshow so that it's in there for the next upload please?
[08:48] <Laney> also hi
[08:49] <Laney> s/slideshow/wallpapers/?
[08:49] <Laney> wherever it lives
[08:53] <acheronuk> Laney: Will gave me a +junk link to welcome-18.10.xcf for the slideshow, so maybe better for him to do that? For that larger svg, I'm not even sure if that is meant to be anywhere. In past releases I either got one from a bug report where mascot images were attached, or from a ubuntu web page that had the incorporated a svg just after release
[08:53]  * Laney shrugs
[08:54] <Laney> thought you'd be well placed as you are thinking about it right now, but ok
[08:55] <acheronuk> Laney: I could, but am updating release notes, upgrade instructions, etc today with limited time. If there is no MP there in a day or 2 I will gladly do it
[08:57] <Trevinho> Hola!
[08:58] <Laney> moin Trevinho
[08:59] <Trevinho> All ready to shock the world?
[09:01] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[09:01] <Trevinho> seb128: hi seb
[09:50] <willcooke> duflu, how can I tell if a machine is using synaptics?
[09:50] <duflu> willcooke, I think xinput will show it
[09:51] <willcooke> duflu, tx
[09:51] <duflu> Otherwise, assume yes if using Xorg AND synaptics is installed
[09:52] <duflu> willcooke, correction:  xinput list-props <touchpaddevnum>  will mention "libinput" if present, IIRC
[09:54] <duflu> If you and using Wayland then the answer is no. You will only find xwayland devices there
[09:54] <duflu> If you are*
[09:59] <seb128> grrr
[09:59] <seb128> on a french install, go to g-c-c region, add an english (us) input source
[10:00] <seb128> select it in the shell UI
[10:00] <seb128> style typing in azerty with "en" selected
[10:00] <seb128> it did it on my test machine yesterday, same today on a that new instal
[10:01] <didrocks> unnice
[10:01] <Laney> ze french conspiracy
[10:02] <seb128> I've a systemd-localed error in the journal, "systemd-vconsole-setup.service not found"
[10:03] <seb128> "failed to convert keymap data: No such file or directory"
[10:53] <seb128> bah, the systemd warnings are redherring
[10:53] <seb128> doing sudo apt install gnome-shell from cosmic on a bionic is enough to make the keyboard switch stop working
[10:54] <didrocks> :(
[11:51] <popey> getting reports that steam controllers don't work on 18.10, and the 'fix' is to blacklist the 'new' hid_steam kernel module :S
[11:51] <popey> (asked for a bug report)
[11:52] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1798583
[11:52] <seb128> Trevinho, bug #1745888 unsure why you said it has to do with snaps, I can reproduce with tapping on the nautilus icon in the launcher on the default cosmic install
[11:53] <seb128> popey, it might be a topic for the kernel team?
[11:53] <popey> Yeah, I'll poke them, but figured given steam is a desktoppy thing and our love for Valve, you might be interested :D
[11:53] <seb128> we are interested to see it fixed, we don't own the kernel/have much of a say in what they aredoing though
[11:55] <popey> Sho thang.
[11:56] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, on touch only yes... I meant that also with snaps I had that issue, even with normal interaction
[11:56] <seb128> Trevinho, that sounds like a different bug, that one is about touch screens :)
[11:56] <Trevinho> yep, right... from a first look I though it was same but indeed no
[12:09] <seb128> popey, did you mention that bug on -kernel?
[12:09] <popey> yup
[12:10] <popey> just before you arrived :)
[12:10] <popey> the bug author also found a patch on lkml which I asked them to add to the bug
[12:10] <seb128> right, just saw that
[12:32] <seb128> willcooke, ^ do you know how to get an item on the kernel team backlog? they just auto comment with a stock reply without even reading the bugs, unsure it's going to get anywhere using the standard process
[12:33] <seb128> willcooke, popey, I think we can at least keep an eye on the status of the patch upstream and once it's merge go back to our kernel team asking to pull in the patch for their next update
[12:33] <popey> Sounds reasonable, thanks seb128
[12:34] <seb128> np
[12:34] <Yiguang> :)
[12:34] <popey> Liam (reporter) has updated his article, linking to the bug report. So others affected will at least be able to track progress and 'me too' it.
[14:24] <willcooke> popey, I've added it to my list of things to talk to the kernel team about next week
[14:25] <popey> kk
[17:21] <andyrock> seb128: so fedora is also affected by the keyboard layout issues
[17:26] <andyrock> I know where the issue is
[19:29] <seb128> andyrock, oh, nice! you should enjoy the evening and celebrate cosmic, that can wait tomorrow :)
[19:29] <seb128> andyrock, did you tell garnacho?
[19:30] <andyrock> seb128: yep! waiting for an answer to the proposed fix. I'll send the MP anyway tomorrow
[19:30] <seb128> andyrock, great :) and stop looking at the computer now :p
[19:46] <seb128> kenvandine, I see that you updated fontconfig in the backport ppa yesterday, it was not on 2.13 yet?
[19:46] <kenvandine> no, it was 2.12.  same as was in bionic
[19:46] <kenvandine> that fixed the startup issue on cosmic
[19:47] <kenvandine> without regressing bionic
[19:47] <kenvandine> seb128: back home now?
[19:47] <seb128> k, I though it might the case, which is why I checked the ppa and saw you updated recently
[19:47] <seb128> yes!
[19:47] <kenvandine> great
[19:47] <seb128> it doesn't explain why it was working on some snaps for you in cosmic or why you couldn't reproduce the issue
[19:48] <seb128> still feels like something weird is going on there
[19:48] <kenvandine> well, i must have had a non-uuid cache
[19:48] <kenvandine> if the font didn't have the .uuid file in the directory it would create a checksum based cache file
[19:48] <kenvandine> which the older fontconfig knew about
[19:49] <kenvandine> but it couldn't handle the uuid style
[19:49] <seb128> k, I see
[19:49] <seb128> well, good that it got sorted out :)
[19:49] <kenvandine> my laptop had a font cache with the checksum style files
[19:49] <seb128> did you rebuild all the snaps with the new fontconfig now?
[19:49] <kenvandine> just needed the platform snap
[19:49] <kenvandine> done now
[19:49] <seb128> ah, right
[19:50] <kenvandine> at least for the seeded snaps
[19:50] <kenvandine> other snaps using the backports PPA but not the platform could benefit
[19:50] <seb128> right
[19:51] <seb128> k, good to know that one is resolved :)
[19:51] <seb128> on that note calling it a day, have a nice evening desktopers!
[19:51] <kenvandine> good night!
[19:51] <seb128> thx
[19:52] <seb128> oh, and congrats on cosmic desktopers :)
[19:52] <seb128> see you tomorrow


[00:22] <lifeless> poolie: quick sanitty check
[00:22] <lifeless> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/transport/local.py(484)stat()
[00:22] <lifeless> that does a 'stat()'
[00:22] <lifeless> not an 'lstat()'
[00:22] <lifeless> is it just me or is that nuts ?
[00:27] <poolie> hi
[00:28] <poolie> this was discussed a while ago
[00:28] <poolie> during the review that added it
[00:28] <poolie> i can see arguments either way
[00:28] <poolie> consistency vs probably wanting to know about symlinks explicitly
[00:30] <lifeless> oh, actually.
[00:30] <lifeless> I think my package version is just a little old
[00:30] <lifeless> trunk does an lstat
[00:35] <SmileyChris> i just did a checkout lp:django and realised i should have really used a shared repo
[00:35] <SmileyChris> is there an easy way to copy a stand alone repo into a shared one?
[00:35] <lifeless> sure
[00:35] <lifeless> make a shared repo and move your branch under it
[00:35] <lifeless> then do bzr reconfigure --use-shared (It hink thats the option - --help will tell you)
[00:35] <SmileyChris> cool
[00:37] <SmileyChris> lifeless: thanks
[00:37] <poolie> lifeless: and you want it to do an lstat?
[00:37] <poolie> i think that's what i recommended
[00:37] <lifeless> poolie: trunk does an lstat, and yes thats what I want.
[00:37] <poolie> generally we want to handle symlinks explicitly/consciously
[00:37] <lifeless> 2.1.1 does a stat
[00:43] <poolie> that's slightly surprising, i thought it all landed together
[00:45] <lifeless> transport.stat is very old
[00:45] <lifeless> IIRC
[01:02] <spiv> Good morning.
[01:04] <AfC> Saw an O'Reilly book on Git. It was very confusing :)
[02:10] <lifeless> spiv: did you sleep on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lifeless/bzr/commands/+merge/23068
[02:10] <lifeless> ?
[02:13] <spiv> lifeless: oh right, thanks
[02:20] <spiv> lifeless: reviewed.  (Spoiler: I approved it)
[02:20] <lifeless> changes needed ?
[02:21] <spiv> Suggested a docstring change.
[02:21] <spiv> Your call on what to do with that.
[02:24] <thumper> I have a question...
[02:24] <thumper> if I call b.iter_merge_sorted_revisions(some_rev_id), i.next() is the revision I specify
[02:24] <thumper> but if I call b.iter_merge_sorted_revisions(some_rev_id, direction='forward'), i.next() is the first revision
[02:25] <thumper> as in revno 1
[02:25] <thumper> why?/
[02:25] <thumper> is it an error
[02:25] <thumper> or expected behaviour
[02:26] <spiv> thumper: The docstring does say "forward returns tuples in the opposite order to reverse."
[02:26] <spiv> And direction='reverse' is the default.
[02:26] <lifeless> spiv: thanks
[02:32] <thumper> spiv: ah
[02:45]  * igc out for a few hours
[02:48] <lifeless> thumper: hey, can I chat with you for a minute (voice) ?
[02:48] <thumper> lifeless: sure
[02:48] <thumper> lifeless: pots or skype?
[03:02] <lifeless> skype :P
[03:04] <lifeless> poolie: subunit : http://pqm.bazaar-vcs.org/
[03:05] <poolie> sounds intriguing...
[03:05] <poolie> meaning... progress bars? or it now mails back subunit spam?
[03:10] <lifeless> both
[03:11] <lifeless> the display is pqm parsing the subunit stream
[04:14] <thumper> lifeless: do you know of an object that acts like a list, but is fed by a generator and reusable?
[04:14] <lifeless> uhm
[04:15] <lifeless> I've written things that are likish that
[04:15] <lifeless> storm might have one
[04:16] <thumper> lifeless: it would make my logic much more easy to follow
[04:16] <thumper> lifeless: and still benefit from not calling a whole history operation
[04:18] <spiv> thumper: "acts like a list" meaning "indexable"?
[04:18] <thumper> spiv: no, I mean iterable again
[04:19] <spiv> Oh, reiterable.
[04:19] <lifeless> caching iterator
[04:19] <thumper> yeah
[04:19] <lifeless> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/576941-caching-iterable-wrapper/
[04:25] <lifeless> thumper: ^
[04:25] <thumper> lifeless: yeah, saw it, looks overly complicated for what I want
[04:25] <thumper> making something simpler
[04:25] <thumper> thanks though
[04:25] <lifeless> de nada
[04:36] <wolfgang00> is there anyway to get bazaar to push changes to a host filesystem? i've tried using bzr+ssh://domain.com but keep getting the error "bzr: command not found" and then ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message.
[04:37] <RAOF> wolfgang00: Just drop the “bzr+” bit of that url and you'll be able to push the changes.
[04:38] <lifeless> RAOF: bzr doesn't support ssh urls
[04:38] <lifeless> wolfgang00: you can relpace bzr+ssh with sftp
[04:38] <RAOF> Gah, of course.
[04:40] <wolfgang00> when i just use ssh: bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url<EMAIL_ADDRESS>bzr supports bzr+ssh to operate over ssh, use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:10] <lifeless> our network fetching really is choppy :(
[06:15] <spiv> :(
[06:16] <poolie> hi spiv
[06:16] <poolie> welcome back to full time
[06:18] <spiv> Thanks :)
[06:35] <lifeless> poolie: theres another hydrazine branch up for you, fwiw
[06:36] <poolie> heh, that's more cheering
[06:37] <lifeless> I've tested status='Queued' and it works ok on staging
[06:37] <lifeless> not flawless, but the web pages don't blow up
[06:38] <bialix> igc: ping
[07:14] <poolie> hi bialix
[07:36] <igc> hi bialix
[07:38] <lifeless> poolie: I have a fairly big hydrazine change
[07:39] <lifeless> lp:~lifeless/hydrazine/cron - I hope you'll like it
[07:39] <poolie> k
[07:39] <poolie> hi igc
[07:39] <poolie> i was just merging some of them now actually
[07:39] <igc> hi poolie
[07:40] <lifeless> poolie: I'm calling it a day
[07:41] <lifeless> poolie: if you want to talk this one through with me before I sign off, I'd be delighted to do so.
[07:41] <lifeless> poolie: btw tomorrow mornign I'll be awolish - popping up to the doctor at sparrows fart
[07:46] <poolie> wow, interesting
[07:46] <poolie> let's chat tomorrow afternoon?
[07:47] <mwhudson> spiv: do you have any ideas on how to test the ssh rekeying thing locally?
[07:48] <mwhudson> it would be good to test both paramiko against an openssh server and openssh client against conch i guess
[07:49] <spiv> mwhudson: manually hack REKEY_BYTES in paramiko/packet.py, maybe?
[07:51] <lifeless> poolie: ok
[07:51] <mwhudson> spiv: ah, that might work
[07:51] <lifeless> poolie: I have some personal stuff to organise with you too, this week before the weekend if at al possible
[07:52] <spiv> mwhudson: it's possible there's something in conch for that too
[07:52] <spiv> mwhudson: I don't know if it's something either side can trigger
[07:52] <mwhudson> spiv: ah, i was going to say
[07:52] <mwhudson> i /thought/ it was a client side thing
[07:52] <mwhudson> maybe not though
[07:52] <spiv> mwhudson: maybe Conch gets confused if both sides trigger at about the same time? ;)
[07:53] <mwhudson> spiv: oh god, if it's that complicated someone else can fix it :)
[07:53] <mwhudson> although noone will :/
[07:54] <spiv> mwhudson: heh
[07:54] <spiv> mwhudson: thinking of concurrency, I happened to see your lp code review about CachingIterator, and you need to be more devious :)
[07:54] <spiv> mwhudson: I sent mail explaining how :)
[07:54] <mwhudson> spiv: "don't use it with threading"
[07:55] <spiv> mwhudson: pfft
[07:55] <mwhudson> ah i see
[07:55] <spiv> mwhudson: I don't need no stinking threads to break stuff ;)
[07:55] <mwhudson> spiv: does thumper's update work better with your code?
[07:55] <spiv> Haven't seen it, so don't know.
[07:56] <spiv> If it does better than giving three different answers, all wrong, then that's a start :)
[07:58] <vila> hi all
[07:58] <lifeless> vila: hi!
[07:58] <lifeless> vila: hey, lost+found merges; is that in progress, or just something we've been discussing
[08:01] <vila> lifeless: still not in progress but my next target once I come back to conflicts
[08:01]  * mwhudson becomes a little stabby trying to get paramiko to connect to launchpad.dev
[08:07] <igc> hi vila, spiv
[08:07] <igc> hi mwhudson
[08:07] <vila> hi Ian
[08:07] <poolie> hi vila
[08:07] <vila> hi  poolie
[08:08] <mwhudson> igc: hello
[08:12] <mwhudson> spiv: it's conch
[08:12] <spiv> mwhudson: \o/
[08:13] <spiv> mwhudson: I guess the rekeying logic in conch is not carefully unit tested...
[08:13] <spiv> mwhudson: btw
[08:13] <spiv> mwhudson: thumper's updated code is differently broken :)
[08:13] <mwhudson> spiv: what an outrageous accusation
[08:14] <mwhudson> (both of those!)
[08:15] <mwhudson> spiv: what are the chances that the hardest part of fixing this upstream will be figuring out how to test it
[08:16] <spiv> mwhudson: depressingly high :(
[08:23] <mwhudson> i wonder if it's something as dumb as the server continuing to send the data from the subprocess while key exchange is happening
[08:24] <spiv> mwhudson: that sounds quite plausible.
[08:24] <thumper> spiv: what update code?
[08:25] <mwhudson> what also sounds plausible is that it's time for dinner
[08:26] <spiv> thumper: your CachingIterator has bugs, see my post to the code review
[08:26] <thumper> spiv: do you have a solution too?
[08:27] <MvG> Has Command.pligin_name() been deprecated or something? Doesn't seem to work on my bzr 2.1.1 any more, though it used to in the past.
[08:27] <mwhudson> spiv: is there any way i can change what options bzr passes to ssh?
[08:27] <spiv> thumper: no, although simply raising an exception if someone tries to use it re-entrantly would probably be adequate.
[08:27] <mwhudson> spiv: other than "hack the source dummy"
[08:28] <spiv> mwhudson: write a plugin to override the ssh vendor implementation, dummy? :)
[08:28] <spiv> mwhudson: (no)
[08:28] <mwhudson> luckily i can use .ssh/config for this
[08:32] <mwhudson> ah "cool" can reproduce with openssh as well as paramiko
[08:33] <spiv> mwhudson: That's... "good"  :)
[08:34] <mwhudson> yeah
[08:35]  * mwhudson files a twisted bug
[08:47] <poolie> spm, can you answer the mail thread about bzr-email and the hpss chroot?
[08:48] <spm> poolie: which list?
[08:48] <spiv> poolie: you me, perhaps?
[08:48] <poolie> oops, i did mean spiv
[08:48] <spiv> "you mean me", rather.
[08:48] <spiv> Obviously it's too late in the day to expect accurate typing :)
[08:48] <spm> spiv: which should so do a nick change and really confuse people - som april fools ideas just come too late....
[08:49] <vila> poolie: could you land your 2.2b1 branch into lp:bzr/2.0 ? That would make it easier to track what is in the corresponding 2.2b1 tarball
[08:49] <poolie> do you mean into bzr/2.2?
[08:49] <vila> poolie: what ? You still can't parse my typos ? :-/ Yeah I meant lp:bzr/2.2 of course
[09:23] <poolie> vila, sure, i'll try to do that soon
[09:24] <vila> poolie: thanks !
[09:24] <bialix> hi all
[09:27] <igc> hi bialix, spm
[09:27] <bialix> hi igc
[09:29] <bialix> igc: I think I also need CRT90 redistributable?
[09:30] <bialix> igc: I don't trust the tools that I don't understand
[09:33] <igc> bialix: yes, you'll need that
[09:33] <igc> bialix: do you have VS 2008?
[09:33] <igc> bialix: http://www.py2exe.org/index.cgi/Tutorial#Step52
[09:33] <bialix> igc: no, I haven't
[09:34] <igc> bialix: thei nstaller code tries to implement that process
[09:34] <igc> installer
[09:35]  * bialix reads
[09:35] <igc> bialix: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9b2da534-3e03-4391-8a4d-074b9f2bc1bf&displaylang=en
[09:35]  * bialix starts to think using buildout is not the best idea
[09:37] <igc> bialix: my feeling is that buildout is not the best fit here - wget + bzr would be less complex and more reliable IMO
[09:38] <bialix> igc: maybe I should install VC2008 Express?
[09:38] <bialix> http://www.microsoft.com/express/Downloads/#2008-Visual-CPP
[09:39] <bialix> igc: I think my traceback caused by damaged svn-1.6.6.zip file.
[09:39] <igc> bialix: can you remember why we need pywin32? Was it needed for tbzr packaging?
[09:39] <bialix> *svn-win32-1.6.6.zip
[09:39] <igc> bialix: got to run
[09:39] <igc> delete that corrupted zip and try again
[09:39]  * igc dinner
[09:39] <bialix> pywin32 is must have for windows and bzr
[09:39] <bialix> igc: bon appetit and gnight
[09:43] <bialix> igc: deletinbg file does not help: I have the same problem again
[10:47] <millun> hi
[10:48] <millun> just wondering... what if i use colocated tree model and happen to delete the whole directory?
[11:26] <jelmer> millun: how do you mean?
[11:56] <millun> jelmer: if i delete the php project (not intentionally) including the .bzr directory
[11:56] <millun> i am screwed right? i use bzr explorer. i obviously should PUSH quite often?
[11:57] <millun> to some remote repository
[11:57] <jelmer> millun: yes
[11:57] <jelmer> unless you're using a shared repository that you haven't deleted?
[11:57] <millun> no, i am not using a shared repository (not quite sure what you mean by that). i come from SVN, u know
[11:58] <millun> i use "colocated branches"
[11:59] <millun> because that's what i've learned in the tutorial
[11:59] <jelmer> millun: colocated branches aren't an officially supported feature
[12:00] <jelmer> millun: what tutorial was this?
[12:00] <millun> on the official pages
[12:00] <millun> lemme look it up
[12:01] <millun> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/explorer/en/guide/processes/starting_a_project.html
[12:01] <millun> at the very end
[12:02] <millun> In most cases, the best model comes down to personal preference. In some case though, the colocated branches model is the only choice, e.g. if you want to version control files in a special location (like /etc or a set of web-server configuration files).
[12:04] <jelmer> igc: hi
[12:04] <jelmer> igc: The starting_a_project page seems to use the term colocated branches for something different than we do elsewhere
[12:19] <lifeless> gnight
[14:59] <cr3> how can I create a branch which only contains code until a specific revision and not the subsequent revisions? the problem is that I forgot to create a milestone at some point for my project and I now need to go back in time to create a bugfix for an earlier milestone
[15:01] <rubbs> cr3: it's been a while since I've done it, but you can do the branch command with -r rev# it should work
[15:01] <rubbs> like this bzr branch -r 2.3.1 ./ ./new
[15:01] <rubbs> IIRC that is. you can do bzr help branch to make sure I got the syntax right
[15:03] <cr3> rubbs: seems like you got it right, thanks!
[15:04] <rubbs> np
[17:11] <Lo-lan-do> Hi all
[17:12] <Lo-lan-do> I hacked a bzr-gc.sh script (http://paste.debian.net/68592/), does it make you run away screaming?
[17:16]  * fullermd runs and screams.
[17:23] <__monty__> How would I go about fixing this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/45599 ?
[19:13] <wolfgang00> is it possible to push files to a remote server? ive tried bzr push sftp:// but i get the error This transport does not update the working tree
[19:17] <gioele> wolfgang00: use the bzr-upload plugin
[19:17] <gioele> push will push only the branch-related info, not the real files
[19:30] <wolfgang00> hmmm. when i use bzr upload i get the message "bzr: ERROR: Cannot upload to a bzr managed working tree:"
[19:42] <jelmer> wolfgang00: bzr upload is only for non-bzr managed trees
[19:43] <jelmer> wolfgang00: I mean, it can only update a remote tree without a .bzr directory
[19:44] <wolfgang00> jelmer: so is there a way to upload to a bzr managed tree? im not entirely opposed to just removing the .bzr folder and not having it managed but its been a nice feature up till now.
[19:47] <IslandUsurper> wolfgang00, there's the push-and-update plugin
[19:52] <wolfgang00> IslandUsurper: do i have to then use checkouts?
[19:59] <IslandUsurper> wolfgang00, no, you just push from one branch to the other, and push-and-update runs `bzr update` over ssh
[20:22] <jam> vila: if you are still around, /wave
[20:50] <wolfgang00> with push and update installed i get "This transport does not update the working tree of: ..." still
[20:51] <IslandUsurper> wolfgang00, it lies
[20:51] <IslandUsurper> a bug has been filed
[20:51] <IslandUsurper> but you should log in to the other server to make sure
[20:52] <IslandUsurper> you can see it say "running ssh bzr update" right?
[20:56] <wolfgang00> i do not get it running bzr update.
[20:57] <wolfgang00> it pushes the changes but i have to do update manually
[21:42] <IslandUsurper> when you do `bzr hooks`, do you have update-after-push under "BranchHooks: post_push:" ?
[21:42] <IslandUsurper> wolfgang00 ^^
[21:43] <dougx> How do I delete a branch?
[21:46] <awilkins> dougx, delete the folder
[21:47] <dougx> awilkins: thanks
[21:47] <awilkins> dougx, if it's in a shared repo, the revisions will remain but they will have no accessible tip
[21:47] <dougx> ok, I see
[21:47] <dougx> done:-)
[21:48] <wolfgang00> ok figured out the push and update plugin was not installed properly. thats fixed but when i run bzr push i get the error that ssh cannot find the file specified but it looks like its dropping the ~ out of the location
[21:53] <matt2000> Hi. I'm trying to upgrade an Ubuntu Jaunty server to Bazaar 2.x. I've added the PPA source to apt, but it's still nto upgrading it. Am I missing something?
[23:33] <wolfgang00> when i try to push to a remote server i get the error "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>bzr update "public_html/testing.yardbutlerstore/" its dropping the ~/ from public_html
[23:35] <wolfgang00> and i do not seem to have update-after-push under branchhooks


[01:24] <diddledan> yawn
[01:48] <m0nkey_> dude, sleep it off :-P
[01:49]  * m0nkey_ tickles diddledan
[01:49] <diddledan> ello m0nkey_
[01:49] <diddledan> so keira knightly actually did a topless photoshoot
[01:50] <diddledan> she insisted that there be zero photoshopping, however, so it's kind of a protest against the industry
[01:51] <diddledan> http://buzz.hotmomsclub.com/actress-keira-knightley-takes-a-dramatic-stand-against-photoshopping-in-hollywood/ (note, this isn't the photos in their glory, so the page is SFW - the linked page however is less so)
[01:52] <m0nkey_> photoshop sucks. it's too expensive, don't run on *nix, and it can make real people look like plastic.
[01:52] <m0nkey_> GIMP ftw
[01:52] <diddledan> and now it's a verb
[01:52] <m0nkey_> viva la OSS!
[01:53] <diddledan> I never worked out how to draw a perfect circle in gimp
[01:53] <m0nkey_> hold shift?
[01:54] <diddledan> no, I mean, I couldn't find the circle tool when I last tried
[01:54] <m0nkey_> I've always used the selection tool to make a circle.
[02:04] <m0nkey_> I need to go to bed
[02:04] <m0nkey_> Gotta be up at 5am
[02:04] <diddledan> what time you got now? 10?
[02:04] <m0nkey_> 9pm
[02:04] <diddledan> aah
[02:05] <diddledan> if you go now, you'll just hit 8 hours
[02:05] <diddledan> sounds like a plan
[02:09] <m0nkey_> Choice between 16gb or 32gb SanDisk Fit drive.. only $8 difference. Hmm.
[02:11] <m0nkey_> I'm low on USB drives.   Just upgraded to 14.10
[09:44] <dagadog> No problems whatsoever
[09:45] <popey> super
[09:46] <MooDoo> yay
[09:47] <knightwise> morning
[09:47] <popey> yo
[09:48] <foobarry> managed to close enough chrome tabs to see the icons now
[09:50] <knightwise> you everyone
[09:50] <knightwise> YO everyone :) its typo monday today
[09:50] <popey> nearly two weeks on firefox here
[09:50] <Myrtti> joys of visiting sister: I get to be a bunk bed for cats again
[09:59] <ujjain> does anybody know if IT contracting exists in the US?
[09:59] <ujjain> I seem to always be talking about the same subjects btw :P
[09:59] <ujjain> I'm still loyal to Firefox.
[10:02] <MooDoo> haven't used FF in years.....although isn't there a new version coming out that's a bit special?  for devs?
[10:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Home-Made Bread Day! :-D
[10:03] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[10:03] <JamesTait> MooDoo, o/
[10:07] <popey> MooDoo: already out
[10:07] <popey> basically firefox with some add-ons and a dark theme
[10:08] <MooDoo> just the standard download or you have to get it from another link?
[10:08] <popey> there's a separate page for it.
[10:08] <MooDoo> ok
[10:09] <MooDoo> ooooo
[10:12] <MooDoo> looks good
[10:16] <popey> i should probably find some better music to take screenshots of the music app with ☻
[10:16] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-17-101609.png
[10:16] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-17-101331.png
[10:19] <Myrtti> popey: radiohead
[10:19] <popey> good point, well made
[10:19]  * popey finds some
[10:19] <Myrtti> popey: or joco
[10:20] <Myrtti> (Jonathan Coulton for the uncivilised)
[10:23] <Azelphur> Anyone recommend a decent sound bar in the ~£100 range? :)
[10:24] <Myrtti> I was visiting a future inlaw few weeks back and he had bought a soundbar around that range and it sounded worse than the tv it was hooked up to on it's own
[10:25] <Myrtti> too bad I can't remember which one it was, might've been Sony
[10:25] <Azelphur> Myrtti: that sounds promising xD
[10:25] <Azelphur> I was told sound bars are usually quite decent
[10:25] <Azelphur> we could potentially change the requirements to "cheapest soundbar that isn't crap"
[10:25] <Myrtti> yeah, so was I so you can imagine my face when a decent make sounded like it was coming from underwater and tomato tines
[10:25] <Azelphur> or even "cheapest sound producing device that isn't crap"
[10:25] <Myrtti> tins
[10:26] <Myrtti> go to Richer Sounds, then.
[10:26] <Myrtti> I think this elderly relative had bought his out of a whim at Curry's
[10:26] <Myrtti> and well. The results were audible.
[10:27] <Azelphur> hehe
[10:27] <diplo> Azelphur, cheapest one my friend could find that had a decent sound was about £180
[10:27] <Azelphur> diplo: that's not too bad
[10:27] <popey> Azelphur: bigcalm bought one on the weekend from tesco
[10:27] <diplo> Can't remember the model off hand, but could probably find out this week at some point
[10:28] <Azelphur> popey: cool :)
[10:28] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-HW-F350-inch-Soundbar-Sound/dp/B00BYWFB16 that one i think
[10:28] <popey> 15:54:23 < bigcalm> popey: splashed out on a Samsung HW-H355 soundbar from Tesco. It sounds so sweet in my tiny office now :)
[10:28] <Azelphur> oO, reviews seem to like it
[10:28] <Azelphur> slightly different model then
[10:28] <foobarry> did anyone watch castles in the sky BBC prog about radar?
[10:28] <Azelphur> aha, the H355 is in the related items
[10:28] <foobarry> decent bbc drama
[10:28] <popey> ah http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-HW-H355-Soundbar-Connectivity-Subwoofer/dp/B00J4EPF9Y
[10:29] <Azelphur> yup :)
[10:29]  * popey adds to wishlist
[10:29] <popey> tempted to get one too
[10:29] <Azelphur> yea certainly doesn't look bad
[10:29] <popey> i need one with two inputs
[10:30] <knightwise> We have a sonos 1 in the house
[10:30] <knightwise> also pretty cool
[10:30] <Myrtti> we just got a decent AVR, it's been brilliant
[10:30] <Myrtti> I think we've had it for a few years now
[10:30] <popey> ooh, it has built in bluetooth!
[10:30] <Azelphur> hehe
[10:30] <popey> thats handy!
[10:31] <Azelphur> popey: not overly useful for me since my TV runs XBMC 24/7 anyway
[10:31] <Azelphur> easy to push stuff from the phone straight to the TV
[10:31] <popey> I'd rather not have to have the telly on to listen to music
[10:31] <Azelphur> ah, fair point
[10:32] <Azelphur> what on earth is "Lip Sync" as an Audio feature o.O
[10:32] <zmoylan-pi> makes all movies look like badly dubbed kung fu movies, i'd pay for that :-)
[10:32] <Azelphur> haha
[10:34] <zmoylan-pi> i really must watch woodie allens movie based on that
[10:38] <Azelphur> popey: will wait to see what bigcalm thinks of it and then probably get that one :)
[10:40] <popey> yeah
[10:40] <bigcalm> Due to a torrent of emails from irssi away proxy, I shall poke my head in here for five minutes
[10:40] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:41] <bigcalm> Questions?
[10:41] <popey> hehe
[10:41] <Azelphur> bigcalm: haha, hi
[10:41] <Azelphur> bigcalm: your shiny new H355, what's it like?
[10:41] <popey> also, what's the usb port on it for?
[10:41] <Myrtti> I just have irssi notifier :-P
[10:42] <Myrtti> no emails, hooray
[10:42] <zmoylan-pi> to charge mobile phones
[10:42] <popey> +1, dedicated nexus 7 2012 doing irssinotifier
[10:42] <Azelphur> I use ZNC push to pushbullet and can have my phone automatically initiate actions upon certain IRC messages ;)
[10:42] <bigcalm> Azelphur: it's very nice. Clean sound. Haven't heard any distortion. Range is good from bass to treble
[10:43] <bigcalm> popey: you can plug a FAT32 or FAT16 device into the USB port and play files directly
[10:43] <popey> ahhh
[10:43] <bigcalm> Not all codecs will work obviously. But I haven't bothered to try it yet
[10:44] <popey> expect mp3, flac, aac will be fine.
[10:45] <popey> Myrtti: fixed! http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-17-104508.png
[10:48] <bigcalm> Azelphur: popey: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/534296422938845184
[10:48] <Azelphur> nice
[10:49] <Myrtti> are those Tesco Direct catalogues?
[10:49] <popey> nice!
[10:49] <bigcalm> Though it does mean having 3 cables visible: power, sub woffer & optical
[10:49] <bigcalm> Myrtti: Argos catalogues :)
[10:49] <popey> +1 for correct catalogue spelling ☻
[10:49]  * zmoylan-pi likes to flick through a nice catalog
[10:49] <popey> grattan?
[10:50] <popey> showing my age there.
[10:50]  * popey bets DJones remembers the Grattan catalog
[10:50] <bigcalm> And a LEGO R2D2 keeping guard over the cul-de-sac
[10:51] <popey> how many argos catalogues!?
[10:51] <zmoylan-pi> you'd think they'd make it so you could use the sound bar as a coat hanger or somewhere to clip papers :-)
[10:51] <bigcalm> popey: prior to Saturday morning, a total of 8
[10:52] <bigcalm> popey: Saturday morning I raised my standing table by a further 6 centimetres and did away with 3 catalogues
[10:52] <popey> heh
[10:52] <bigcalm> I did it for my wrists rather than wanting fewer catalogues
[10:53] <DJones> popey: Afraid not, senility has already kicked in, I remember the "Gus (Great Universal Stores)" Catalogue, but only because they were based where I lived and a few friends parents worked for them
[10:54]  * zmoylan-pi remembers the 80s pre argos in ireland when every house in ireland had an argos catalog before we made the trip to newry or belfast for christmas shopping
[10:54] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:54] <bigcalm> zmoylan-pi: cheaper over the border?
[10:55] <zmoylan-pi> better selection and cheaper, though it did depend on exchange rate so it could be iffy
[10:56] <zmoylan-pi> each side of the border had something cheaper.  even today as you cross it there are signs for whatever is cheaper to folks from far side.  and around sep-oct it's always fireworks which are banned here
[10:57] <bigcalm> The sale or use?
[10:58] <zmoylan-pi> either
[10:58] <bigcalm> Ah
[10:58] <bigcalm> We have...explosive
[10:59]  * bigcalm gets a FSOL track stuck in his head
[11:19]  * Myrtti tries not to obsess to Radiohead, listenes to the Spotify playlist "maybe this could be the wedding disco playlist" instead.
[11:20]  * zmoylan-pi wonders will all the music on youtube disappear behind a paywall when they get their act together
[11:21] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: that'll be about the time vimeo comes the #1 video website
[11:21] <zmoylan-pi> true
[11:21] <zmoylan-pi> but it will take time to reupload everything
[11:21]  * Azelphur shrugs
[11:22] <Azelphur> to be honest that has already begun, I see a lot of youtubers at least mirroring their content onto vimeo out of copyright strike fears
[11:24] <popey> Our first dance at the wedding, everyone sang along karaoke style - unprompted - was quite fun
[11:24] <popey> might have it on video somewhere.
[11:26] <bigcalm> Myrtti: your wedding play list is all Radiohead tracks?
[11:29] <Myrtti> no, it has none, because I have had a tiniest Radiohead obsession before and I'm still a recovering addict.
[11:30] <Myrtti> my teenage obsession with Beatles, Abba and especially Elton John is almost cured, so the playlist does have a few EJ songs.
[11:30] <daftykins> Elton John \o/
[11:32] <bigcalm> Myrtti: my all time favourite Radiohead track is Meeting In The Aisle: http://open.spotify.com/track/3FsuOdQvh0Xo4xJ1Tcro0T
[11:33] <Myrtti> I obsessed over House of Cards so bad
[11:33] <Myrtti> sooo bad.
[11:33] <daftykins> i never even finished season 1
[11:33] <daftykins> grabbed me to start with, but then i lost interest and haven't been back
[11:34] <Myrtti> the song, by Radiohead
[11:38] <Myrtti> nudging the cat doesn't really help
[11:38] <Myrtti> the asshole just shifts and still stays put
[11:38] <bigcalm> :D
[11:38] <Myrtti> there we go
[11:39] <Myrtti> proper shove on the butt
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of remote control to play the sound of the fridge been opened...
[12:39] <bujji> hi
[12:40] <bujji> i have an issue with ubuntu os
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> what's happening?
[12:41] <bujji> i have a problem like "failed disk full"
[12:41] <zmoylan-pi> is your disk full?
[12:41] <bujji> i was unable to create folder also
[12:42] <bujji> i type the command "df -h"
[12:42] <bujji> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1        66G   64G     0 100% / none            4.0K     0  4.0K   0% /sys/fs/cgroup udev            400M   12K  400M   1% /dev tmpfs            94M  2.0M   92M   3% /run none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock none            468M  300K  468M   1% /run/shm none            100M   28K  100M   1% /run/user overflow        1.0M  276K  748K  27% /tmp /dev/sda5        64G
[12:43] <bujji> sorry clumbsy
[12:43] <bujji> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1        66G   64G     0 100% / none            4.0K     0  4.0K   0% /sys/fs/cgroup udev            400M   12K  400M   1% /dev tmpfs            94M  2.0M   92M   3% /run none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock none            468M  300K  468M   1% /run/shm none            100M   28K  100M   1% /run/user overflow        1.0M  276K  748K  27% /tmp /dev/sda5        64G
[12:43] <bujji> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> your sda1 is full
[12:44] <bujji> how can i clear those help on this
[12:45] <bujji> 66G   64G  and it is showing 100%
[12:47] <bujji> zmoylan-pi help me on this isuue please
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> i think you'll have to find files on the drive that you don't need anymore or can move to another drive
[12:49] <bujji> i remove which i dont want and before it is showing 66g 66g now 66g 64g
[12:51] <DJones> Anybody seen TheOpenSourcerer online lately
[12:51] <daftykins> bujji: i'm concerned at your use of the word 'failed'
[12:51] <bujji> even i download a photo from internet and it is showing failed disk full
[12:51] <bujji> yes
[12:52] <bujji> i mentioned the details of "df -h" --daftykins
[12:52] <MooDoo> .seen TheOpenSourcerer
[12:52] <MooDoo> rats doesn't that work here?
[12:52] <daftykins> bujji: yes i'd rather see those pasted via http://paste.ubuntu.com because the above is impossible to read
[12:52] <DJones> Don't think so
[12:52] <daftykins> that's a command set for a bot that doesn't run here
[12:52] <daftykins> @seen
[12:53] <daftykins> nope nowt
[12:53] <MooDoo> daftykins: yeah it's what i use in the fedora channels.
[12:53]  * daftykins holds up two fingers crossed
[12:53] <daftykins> :D
[12:53] <DJones> Not seen since early september
[12:53] <daftykins> we're definitely down on our Alan quota
[12:54] <bujji> help me on this guys...i have tried to do this alot
[12:54] <MooDoo> he's about, seen him on facebook.
[12:54] <daftykins> bujji: and i will once you do what i asked
[12:54] <zmoylan-pi> i just think you need to delete/move a lot more bujji
[12:54] <bujji> ok daftykins
[12:55] <bujji> how can i zmoylan---i deleted which i dont want
[12:55] <daftykins> bujji: what version are you running?
[12:56] <bujji> linux 3.9.1
[12:56] <daftykins> no, what ubuntu version
[12:56] <daftykins> "lsb_release -a" or "cat /etc/issue"
[12:56] <popey> DJones: oddly I just emailed him
[12:56] <popey> 3.9.1!?
[12:57] <bujji> 13.04
[12:57] <DJones> popey: I've pm'd alan bell with the info anyway
[12:57] <DJones> Hopefully it can be passed on that way
[12:57] <popey> bujji: maybe "sudo apt-get clean" may free up some space
[12:57] <bujji> i type uname -a commannd daftykins
[12:57] <popey> bujji: which will remove some cache data
[12:57] <bujji> i did this before
[12:58] <bujji> i tried to delete cache data also
[12:59] <daftykins> bujji: sorry your ubuntu version is dead now, unsupported
[12:59] <daftykins> !eol | bujji
[12:59] <popey> bujji: I'd run something like "Disk utility" or "baobab" and see what's eating up the space.
[12:59] <popey> bujji: but I wouldn't randomly delete stuff ☻
[12:59] <bujji> okey popy
[12:59] <popey> baobab is the old name for disk utility
[13:00] <popey> dunno which it is in 13.04
[13:00] <popey> which as daftykins says, is a bit old now
[13:00] <daftykins> bujji: please run "df -h" again and paste it into http://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:00] <daftykins> as mentioned earlier
[13:01] <bigcalm> sudo apt-get install pastebinit && df -h | pastebinit
[13:01] <daftykins> he won't have much luck installing that with a full disk bigcalm
[13:01] <daftykins> else i would've said the same ;)
[13:01] <bigcalm> Ah, no. Sorry, should have paid attention to what is going on :)
[13:01] <daftykins> no problemo
[13:02] <zmoylan-pi> gonna have to move data off that system before it'll do anything much
[13:02] <daftykins> *nod*
[13:02] <daftykins> no doubt a good kernel purge will be step #1
[13:02] <bigcalm> sudo apt-get autoremove
[13:03] <daftykins> i don't think it kills older kernels in 13.04?
[13:03] <daftykins> aah being so close to the high-street is dangerous, i just dropped £20 on food in marks and spencer :D
[13:04] <zmoylan-pi> helping the british economy instead of american corporate franchises daftykins
[13:05] <daftykins> we don't have any such mainlander supermarkets anywho - unless Waitrose is owned by one
[13:05] <DJones> daftykins: What diod that get you, a sandwich and a bottle of coke?
[13:05] <popey> yeah, autoremove _should_ do it
[13:05] <DJones> did
[13:05] <bigcalm> Waitrose is owned by John Lewis
[13:05] <bujji> help me on this daftkins
[13:06] <popey> bujji: I told you what to do.
[13:06] <daftykins> bujji: i can't until you actually do something.
[13:06] <popey> find out whats eating space
[13:06] <bujji> okey popey
[13:06] <daftykins> DJones: hehe, it is pretty damned expensive in there yeah
[13:07] <popey> Waitrose > *
[13:07] <popey> love that shop
[13:07] <bujji> give some assistence onthis popey
[13:07] <popey> I did.
[13:07] <popey> 12:59:28 < popey> bujji: I'd run something like "Disk utility" or "baobab" and see what's eating up the space.
[13:07] <daftykins> it's time for a +q
[13:07] <popey> bujji: have you run either of those?
[13:07] <bigcalm> bujji: free up some space with sudo apt-get autoremove
[13:08] <popey> that too
[13:08] <popey> all good advice.
[13:08] <bujji> yes i did
[13:08] <bujji> wait a minutte
[13:09] <BigRedS_> apt-get clean is normally a pretty immediate way to get a few tens of MB to get thing started again
[13:10] <popey> yeah.
[13:10] <bujji> under root  / 68.5g/70.5g
[13:13] <bujji> hey poeey
[13:13] <bujji> popey*
[13:13] <daftykins> bujji: did you run "sudo apt-get clean" and "sudo apt-get autoremove" yet?
[13:13] <bujji> i tried to download a photo from internet to the free space
[13:14] <bujji> i did this daftykin
[13:14] <popey> did you run baobab or disk utility yet?
[13:14] <bujji> yes i did popey
[13:14] <popey> and what was the thing that used most space in / ?
[13:15] <bujji> 68.5g used out of 70.5g
[13:15]  * daftykins groans
[13:15] <popey> right, but baobab has a handy graph
[13:15] <popey> let me show you a screenshot
[13:15] <bujji> okey
[13:15] <popey> bujji: http://mauriziosiagri.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/baobab.png
[13:15] <popey> like that
[13:15] <popey> so you can see easily what's eating up space.
[13:16] <popey> so run disk utility, and make it scan /
[13:16] <popey> it will take a little while
[13:16] <bujji> yes somewhat like that
[13:17] <popey> ok, you could maybe let it run, then take a screenshot and post it to http://imgur.com so we can see it (if it's not got sensitive info in it) and we can help you further
[13:19] <bujji> its taking time ...you are very helpful
[13:20] <bujji> do you have any blog popey
[13:20] <popey> I do
[13:20] <popey> search my name.
[13:21] <awilkins> Problem : want to use https://appear.in
[13:21] <bujji> popey on google
[13:21] <awilkins> Works fine on Firefox! Hooray!
[13:22] <awilkins> Screen sharing only works on Chrome (ium?), boo
[13:22] <bujji> one more popey
[13:22] <popey> webrtc probably needed?
[13:22] <awilkins> popey, Yeah, the probleem is that Chrome and Chromium just refuse to allow it access to the mic + camera even after I've granted permission
[13:23] <bujji> how to clean trash...where it is located when delete a file in ubuntu
[13:23] <awilkins> You visit the page and you get the little camera icon with a cross on it... and reconfigure it
[13:23] <awilkins> bujji, If you'e using the default install, the trash bin is the icon bottom of the dash on the left
[13:23] <popey> bujji: should be an icon in the bottom left of the screen that looks like a trash icon
[13:24] <awilkins> I have Chrome for Netflix, that doesn't work any better than Chromium
[13:24] <awilkins> Has Firefox grabbed access to my mic? Even though I closed it?
[13:24] <bujji> yes fine
[13:25] <bujji> in command prompt where tit is located
[13:25] <bujji> and cache also--popey
[13:26] <popey> trash?
[13:27] <popey> bujji: ~/.local/share/Trash I think
[13:27] <bujji> trash finding through command prompt
[13:27] <bujji> and cache also
[13:27] <diddledan> tit is located at /var/lib/porn isn't it? :-p
[13:28] <diddledan> sorry, I'll be quiet
[13:28] <m0nkey_> diddledan, never install pr0n at system level.
[13:29] <diddledan> no?
[13:29] <m0nkey_> /usr/local
[13:29] <diddledan> lol
[13:29] <bujji> popey.com is yours
[13:29] <popey> correct
[13:29] <foobarry> strange that
[13:30] <daftykins> we really ought to work out how people keep finding here instead of their own language channels
[13:30] <foobarry> or make new chans
[13:31] <bujji> okey thanks for the assistance..
[13:31] <popey> daftykins: yeah
[13:31] <popey> bujji: out of interest, how did you find this irc chat?
[13:31] <popey> I mean, how did you get here?
[13:32] <bujji> i tried alot finding my problem ...i did those commands specified in it
[13:32] <bujji> but i think i need a online help
[13:33] <bujji> i found through google
[13:34] <bujji> you too thanks daftykins
[13:34] <foobarry> why ubuntu-uk ?
[13:34] <foobarry> rahter than #ubuntu
[13:34] <bujji> ?
[13:35] <popey> bujji: we're wondering exactly what path got you here
[13:35] <foobarry> why did you choose this channel rather than the default #ubuntu support room
[13:35] <popey> because we get a lot of people in this channel asking for help
[13:35] <bujji> why?
[13:35] <popey> we dont know how they get here
[13:35] <popey> what link they click
[13:35] <popey> because you're in the wrong place ☻
[13:35] <popey> but we're happy to help anyway
[13:35] <popey> it's just not the "official" support channel.
[13:35] <bujji> wrong place means??
[13:36] <bujji> i didnt understand
[13:36] <popey> Ok, so you're in an irc channel
[13:36] <popey> it's called #ubuntu-uk
[13:36] <bujji> yes
[13:36] <popey> the "UK" meaning United Kingdom
[13:36] <bujji> yes
[13:36] <popey>  but there's also "#ubuntu" which is the general channel for support
[13:36] <popey> and you're clearly not in the UK
[13:36] <popey> so we wonder "How is it that people from outside the UK find the UK IRC channel?!"
[13:36] <popey> This puzzles us.
[13:36] <popey> ☻
[13:37] <foobarry> did you click on a link on a web page?
[13:37] <bujji> i found ubuntu-uk channel that is specified
[13:37] <bujji> so i came here
[13:37] <foobarry> did you click on a link on a web page?
[13:38] <bujji> link only
[13:38] <popey> do you know where you found that link?
[13:38] <popey> You're using webchat, right?
[13:38] <bujji> i dont know..thats why i ask your blog
[13:39] <bujji> for assistance
[13:39] <popey> what web browser you using?
[13:39] <bujji> why?
[13:39] <popey> forget it
[13:39] <foobarry> whois confirms it is webcaht
[13:39] <popey> This is too painful.
[13:39] <foobarry> bujji: i'll try one  more time
[13:39] <foobarry> ..
[13:40] <foobarry> what was the webpage you found this information on?
[13:40] <bujji> you can try "ubuntu online chat help" on google
[13:40] <popey> it's a shame irc channels don't have a referrer field ☻
[13:40] <popey> ahhh
[13:40] <foobarry> ok, bujji which page did you click on next?
[13:41] <MooDoo> popey: i closed my eyes ages ago....
[13:41] <foobarry> MooDoo: we'll highliht you when its sfe to return
[13:41] <bujji> i think i tried to click all may be 1-5 links
[13:42] <foobarry> this one ? www.fossbox.org.uk/node/22/
[13:42] <popey> bujji: great, that's helpful, thank you!
[13:42] <bujji> may be
[13:42] <foobarry> that is hit number 5
[13:42] <foobarry> cool. just wondering
[13:42] <foobarry> :D
[13:42] <bujji> that i didnt understand i am in a wrong place...popey
[13:42]  * foobarry shakes MooDoo from his slumber
[13:42] <popey> bujji: you're not, it's fine.
[13:42] <bujji> ?
[13:43] <popey> Don't worry.
[13:43] <bujji> how did you learn all these things?
[13:43] <popey> Magic.
[13:44] <bujji> magic also have to learn
[13:44] <foobarry> exactly
[13:44] <popey> indeed!
[13:44] <bujji> indeed
[13:44] <diddledan> indubitibly?
[13:45] <diddledan> that's spelt wrong methinks
[13:45] <diddledan> indubitably**
[13:45] <bujji> then what type of irc is this
[13:45] <bujji> popey
[13:45] <diddledan> there, IFTFY
[13:46] <foobarry> one where a lot of virtual tea is drunk
[13:46] <bujji> popey?
[13:46] <popey> bujji
[13:46] <daftykins> bujji: it's a chat and help channel for UK users
[13:46] <diddledan> foobarry: and cake!
[13:46] <popey> But we allow interlopers like daftykins in
[13:46] <bigcalm> Fnar
[13:46]  * diddledan gives daftykins some evils
[13:47] <diddledan> and map tends to be all over the place
[13:47] <bujji> only uk..
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> if you didn't allow daftykins then think of the chaos elsewhere!! :-p
[13:47] <diddledan> I lost track of where map is today
[13:47] <foobarry> there is a global channel called #ubuntu bujji . hang around in there and you can absorb knowledge :D
[13:48] <diddledan> absorb it like a vampire absorbs blood
[13:48]  * daftykins the French mutation was graciously allowed to stay
[13:48] <bujji> how can i learn a linux in brief --popey
[13:48] <popey> bujji: use it
[13:48] <bujji> any info i appreciate it
[13:49] <foobarry> install it
[13:49] <foobarry> do things
[13:49] <diddledan> "brief" - it's something that you learn by doing
[13:49] <diddledan> it takes time
[13:49] <bujji> like admin things
[13:49] <foobarry> how do you learn "maths"
[13:49] <diddledan> I learned most stuffs by having a need
[13:49] <foobarry> how do you learn lego
[13:49] <awilkins> bujji, There is a subset of basic tools you need to learn to be proficient
[13:49] <bujji> school itself..
[13:50] <awilkins> bujji, Starting with `man`
[13:50] <diddledan> necessity is the main driver of my learning
[13:50] <popey> yeah, i only learned about Linux by using it all day every day
[13:50] <foobarry> there are online videos you can watch to find out what you might want to learn..
[13:50] <popey> I used to dual-boot windows and linux
[13:50] <popey> don't learn as much that way IMO
[13:50] <awilkins> I learned about Linux by installing Gentoo the hard way
[13:50] <diddledan> awilkins: +1
[13:50] <popey> technically I still dual boot, but only so I can play games on Windows ☻
[13:50] <awilkins> Likewise, I'm a Windows-gamer
[13:51] <popey> and test out xamarin and unity3d and other evil proprietary software
[13:51] <awilkins> And a Linux-worker
[13:51]  * popey pokes directhex with a stick
[13:51] <bujji> i always refer google to do anything
[13:51] <directhex> moo
[13:51] <directhex> ?
[13:51] <diddledan> cow!
[13:51] <bujji> but i wont find a proper one..
[13:51] <bujji> linux geek
[13:52] <popey> Dave2: is there any way we could get aggregated web log stats from webchat where people come directly to #ubuntu-uk ?
[13:52] <popey> speciifcally the referals.
[13:53] <popey> hehe https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=270794
[13:53] <popey> " Had some trips to #ubuntu, #ubuntu-laptop and so on because I want to buy a netbook and wanted opinions. People were not very friendly there."
[13:54] <diddledan> maybe that's why they come here instead.....
[13:55] <awilkins> bujji, If you want a way of learning about Linux that's very hard work, get a virtual machine platform sorted out and run through https://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml
[13:56] <awilkins> bujji, Things will seem mysterious but if you tunnel into everything you do, read the man pages, etc, you will learn a lot
[13:56] <daftykins> oh my word friends don't let friends gentoo
[13:56] <daftykins> :)
[13:56] <foobarry> 2291 days ago
[13:57] <bujji> gentoo is a liux version ...awilkins
[13:57] <daftykins> it's definitely a lost cause if someone comes into #ubuntu trying to ask for system purchase advice
[13:57] <foobarry> somebody mentioned gentoo in the enterprise during an interview the other week
[13:57] <popey> amazing, 6 years ago
[13:57] <foobarry> i was pressing the ejector button under the desk
[13:57] <popey> haha
[13:57] <foobarry> can you deploy me a vm please. it'll be ready in 4 days
[13:57] <diddledan> foobarry: were you the interviewer or the interviewee?
[13:57] <foobarry> intervier
[13:58] <foobarry> -er
[13:58] <diddledan> try again
[13:58] <foobarry> people always answer what they have done, rather than what they should do
[13:58] <foobarry> what distro would you deploy in the enterprise
[13:58] <foobarry> well we did gentoo blah blah
[13:58] <foobarry> yes, but what would/should you do
[13:59] <popey> ARCH!
[13:59] <diddledan> ubuntu!
[13:59] <popey> oh, sorry.
[13:59] <popey> Ubuntu!
[13:59] <foobarry> arch is fake
[13:59] <popey> run by the lizard people?
[13:59] <diddledan> arch is just gentoo with binary packages
[13:59] <foobarry> i bet you install it and its a ubuntu with new wallpeper and different /etc/issue
[13:59] <popey> if you can install it
[13:59] <foobarry> i've never seen arch/gentoo in the wild
[13:59] <popey> it's got the most deliberately obtuse installer of any distro since slackware 0.1
[13:59] <diddledan> foobarry: don't come here
[13:59] <foobarry> all youtube vids and forum comments are fakery
[14:00] <popey> you *have* to read a giant wiki page, and apparently that's a good thing
[14:00] <Azelphur> I just pasted this to my arch loving friend >:)
[14:00] <daftykins> i've heard it said that "all the Linux ricers moved from gentoo to Arch"
[14:00] <foobarry> arch is just a wiki
[14:00] <foobarry> there is no distro
[14:00] <foobarry> its like bronies
[14:00] <popey> Azelphur: hope he has a sense of humour
[14:01] <Azelphur> popey: yea, when I was talking to him he was trying to tell me that the OS not offering assistance is a good thing, I was like whaaaaat
[14:01] <Azelphur> popey: yea he does :)
[14:01] <popey> :D
[14:01] <daftykins> diddledan wishes he never saw gentoo in the wild
[14:01] <foobarry> they only exist as parodies
[14:01] <Azelphur> popey: he once typo'd "hearing AIDS" so whenever it comes up in conversation we use that now.
[14:01] <popey> hah
[14:02] <Azelphur> gonna meet him next month, flying out to California for 10 days :)
[14:02] <popey> \o/
[14:02] <foobarry> rainy season?
[14:02] <Azelphur> he's going to show me the Arch way, supposedly
[14:02] <popey> set aside a day
[14:02] <foobarry> californians and their crazy ways and crazy distros
[14:02] <bujji_> gentoo is  a  linux version ha--popey
[14:02] <diddledan> Azelphur: run. run for the hills!
[14:02] <daftykins> Azelphur: i'd say doesn't that involve lots of breakage, but then you have those skills in ubuntu land :D
[14:02] <foobarry> once i installed about 20 distros to try them
[14:02] <Azelphur> diddledan: I know right, it's a tarp
[14:03] <foobarry> included vector linux , and all sort of weirdness
[14:03] <foobarry> didn't do arch because it doesn't exist
[14:03] <awilkins> bujji_, Gentoo is a Linux distribution, yes. It's very different to Ubuntu but it's still Linux
[14:03] <diddledan> Azelphur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA
[14:04] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:04] <awilkins> bujji_, The main difficulty is that "Linux" is being used as a word to describe an very large mouthful of things
[14:04] <foobarry> like "car"
[14:04] <foobarry> i drive a ford focus estate
[14:04] <bujji_> okey
[14:04] <bujji_> benz?
[14:04] <foobarry> if you can drive a car, its fine, you can mostly drive them all
[14:05] <foobarry> benz don't have indicators though
[14:05] <awilkins> bujji_, In reality, "Linux" is just the kernel - the bit that sits under the rest of the operating system and makes the hardware manageable without writing device specific code into every app
[14:05] <daftykins> a Linux distribution is Linux + GNU, as RMS would have you know
[14:05] <diddledan> they all have two or three peddles and a big tuney thing
[14:05] <bujji_> thats nice foobarry
[14:05] <diddledan> turney*
[14:05] <Azelphur> daftykins: does that make Android be a Linux distro? :p
[14:05] <daftykins> dunno, does it use GNU tools? :P
[14:05] <diddledan> Azelphur: no, because there's no GNU :-p
[14:05] <awilkins> There are a whole bunch of apps that sit on top and you can learn to use a number of subsets of them
[14:06] <Azelphur> diddledan: sure there is, it ships with the standard GNU tools doesn't it?
[14:06] <diddledan> Azelphur: not that I'm aware
[14:06] <awilkins> I think it does..
[14:06] <awilkins> You can open a shell via adb can't you?
[14:06] <diddledan> it certainly doesn't use glibc
[14:06] <diddledan> they have their own libc .. thing
[14:07] <popey> bionic
[14:07] <awilkins> Arrgh, Facebook want to make an Office suite
[14:07] <diddledan> thanks popey
[14:07] <bujji_> if i delete a file,in trash also--is there any way to get that
[14:07] <Azelphur> diddledan: I have loads of standard unix commands available on mine
[14:07] <diddledan> Azelphur: is that not busybox?
[14:07] <Azelphur> diddledan: awk, basename, cat, grep, etc
[14:08] <Azelphur> diddledan: dunno *shrug*
[14:08] <popey> yes,its busybox
[14:08] <bujji_> popey
[14:08] <popey> not GNU
[14:08] <popey> but I would still say Android is a Linux distro
[14:08] <awilkins> bujji_, Not without forensic tools
[14:09] <bujji_> there is a need of other tools ha..thanks
[14:09] <awilkins> popey, Got Lollipop yet?
[14:09] <popey> ya
[14:10] <bujji_> are you peoples linux certified
[14:10] <awilkins> I'm rather enjoying it on my Nexus 4
[14:10] <popey> i have it on my 2012 nexus 7
[14:10] <daftykins> bujji_: no, they couldn't work out how to install it on me
[14:10] <awilkins> popey, Yeah, that too
[14:10] <diddledan> android is an example of freedom of choice inherent in the linux market - you have the same base but on top the standard stuff is replaced with android-only bits - i.e. the surface flinger and all the apps that run on it
[14:10] <bujji_> on you :)
[14:11] <diddledan> but at the end of it all it's still linux underneath
[14:11] <daftykins> bujji_: where are you from?
[14:11] <popey> India.
[14:11] <awilkins> MS are going to release all their Office apps on Android... for free!
[14:11] <foobarry> bit late
[14:11] <bujji_> popey..how do you know?
[14:11] <foobarry> i use quickoffice
[14:11] <awilkins> Android tab + BT keyboard
[14:11] <popey> bujji_: magic
[14:11] <daftykins> bujji_: have you tried out #ubuntu-in ?
[14:11] <popey> Some Linux based phone distros are 'real' distros ㋛
[14:12] <diddledan> it's just a specialised distribution of linux similar to how kali is a specialise distro or openwrt is a specialised distro
[14:12] <diddledan> popey: +1
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> but aren't they cut down versions of their mobile office and you have to pay for the less restricted versions?
[14:12] <awilkins> zmoylan-pi, Dunno
[14:12] <foobarry> kali, as in indiana jones?
[14:12] <bujji_> are you an admin of this popey..
[14:13] <awilkins> Magic : Clarke's Third Law : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws
[14:13] <popey> bujji_: corerouter1.bytenet.in/<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:13] <diddledan> foobarry: I think it's called kali - the hackers' toolkit distro
[14:13] <popey> bujji_: that gives it away a bit ☻
[14:13] <foobarry> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zniWN4iyXM
[14:13] <diddledan> om nom nom nom shavai
[14:14] <foobarry> mm chilled monkey brains
[14:14] <popey> I like that I can upgrade apps on ubuntu phone and it doesn't kill them
[14:14] <bujji_> yes
[14:14] <knightwise> kali maaaahhhhhh !
[14:14] <foobarry> http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/gift-gadgets/smartphone-projector-2.0-brown/10996588.html
[14:14] <foobarry> i think i'd rather buy a chromecast
[14:14] <bujji_>  mahabharata
[14:14] <daftykins> knightwise: XD
[14:15] <popey> there is no way that will work
[14:15] <knightwise> daftykins: EVERY christmass holiday they would re-run this one on tv ..
[14:15] <knightwise> part of the holiday spirit :)
[14:15] <knightwise> nothing says happy holidays like ripping out somebodies heart.
[14:15] <foobarry> popey: you would need a pitch black room and very bright lcd on your phone
[14:15] <foobarry> and it would still be lame
[14:15] <popey> +1
[14:16] <bujji_> advance happy Christmas to all
[14:16] <popey> :D
[14:16] <popey> Happy thanksgiving
[14:16] <foobarry> knightwise: they show avatar on telly every single day and i still haven't seen it
[14:16] <awilkins> I had the bluray of Avatar for months before I saw it
[14:16] <knightwise> foobarry: I haven't seen avatar either.
[14:16] <knightwise> once they overhype a movie I have this urge NOT to watch it.
[14:17] <awilkins> Mum got it for a Christmas present for me, presuming that because I was a tech guy, I'd have a bluray player
[14:17] <foobarry> +1
[14:17] <daftykins> awilkins: :D
[14:17] <diddledan> wtf?
[14:17] <foobarry> never watched lost, breaking bad, or that nonsense
[14:17] <daftykins> i think being a tech guy is a hint that you wouldn't have a bluray player XD
[14:17] <diddledan> that's crazay
[14:17] <knightwise> awilkins: if a movie's main hook is its image quality and not its story ... then I have a problem with that.
[14:17] <awilkins> When I finally got a BDROM drive I had to rip it and run it through some evilware to watch it
[14:17] <daftykins> awilkins: please, lose the -ROM - it was never justified ;)
[14:17] <knightwise> I am currently watching "life on mars" on netflix. good show.
[14:18] <awilkins> It just sat there eating 30GB of disk space until I got bored of it
[14:18] <awilkins> daftykins, Yeah, I think it's a BDRW as well
[14:18] <awilkins> knightwise, Life on Mars is great
[14:18] <awilkins> knightwise, Ashes to Ashes, not so much, but it closes it all out nicely
[14:18] <foobarry> never watched these eitehr
[14:19] <foobarry> i forgot to grab the first 2 episodes of detectorists with get iplayer
[14:19] <foobarry> for posterity
[14:20] <bujji_> thank you all for your assistance ..:) bye
[14:20] <awilkins> bujji_, Enjoy your journey
[14:20] <bujji_> thanks awilkins
[14:26] <knightwise> awilkins: we are also watching "the 100" not that bad either
[14:26] <knightwise> and downton abbey.
[14:26] <knightwise> since we don"t have cable anymore the only things we watch are shows on netflix .. if we feel like it.
[14:26] <awilkins> I've just been bingeing on Stargate SG1
[14:26] <awilkins> I have basic cable for the internet but I don't have the TV box
[14:27] <knightwise> awilkins: same here .. Very refreshing NOT to have standard crap tv
[14:28] <daftykins> SG-1 for the win :D
[14:28] <diddledan> I think my oldest lcd just died
[14:28] <daftykins> diddledan: ;_;
[14:28] <diddledan> it gone blank
[14:28] <awilkins> Mine went blank but still registered as a screen
[14:28] <awilkins> Was going to see if replacing the cold cathod tube or something would work
[14:29] <awilkins> But then I just got a nice new full HD 144Hz one :-)
[14:29] <diddledan> hmm, unplugging it a few times seems to have brought it back
[14:29] <diddledan> I think I might get a new one anyway
[14:30] <foobarry> shine a torch on it
[14:30] <awilkins> I may get a third one
[14:30] <diddledan> a proper all-digital chain rather than vga
[14:30] <awilkins> If my current GPU can run three
[14:30] <awilkins> I have a nice new desk
[14:30] <diddledan> ooh a third one. now there's an idea
[14:30] <diddledan> I think two*24inch is sufficient tho
[14:30] <awilkins> http://obutto-uk.com/workstation-r3volution
[14:30] <awilkins> Have the three-monitor mounting arms
[14:31] <awilkins> Not putting a screen on all the mountpoints would seem churlish :P
[14:31] <diddledan> now that is nice
[14:31] <awilkins> Not erected it yet
[14:32] <awilkins> Cleaning out my office has proven to be a multi-week project
[14:32] <daftykins> haha
[14:32] <awilkins> Not helped by not being able to have workstation downtime in the week
[14:32] <awilkins> Nearly there
[14:36] <foobarry> which order do css files get processed in the <head> section?
[14:37] <foobarry> last = overwrites previous?
[14:37] <diddledan> foobarry: yeah, it's in order defined in the html
[14:38] <diddledan> foobarry: same within a single css file - a subsequent rule can override those higher up in the same file
[14:38] <foobarry> yeah, thanks for confimring
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: did the firmware work? :)
[14:44] <popey> ooh! thanks for the reminder
[14:46] <Azelphur> popey: rofl, friends response, (14:45:17) sailerboy: Azelphur, at least arch doesn't have a website dedicated to mocking their users http://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> ... yet
[14:46] <popey> Azelphur: does he know that website was made by an Ubuntu user? ☻
[14:46] <Azelphur> hahaha, he does now >:)
[14:47] <Azelphur> "minor drawback" he says
[14:47] <daftykins> as i said though, Arch users are known as the new gentoo ricers
[14:48] <Azelphur> (14:48:28) sailerboy: Azelphur, at least we use linux | (14:48:39) sailerboy: unlike that bloated commercialized canonical shit
[14:48] <Azelphur> real burns are coming in now xD
[14:49]  * knightwise wonders if he should get some popcorn
[14:49] <popey> MartijnVdS: so wget that onto the device and then sysupgrade -v openwrt-ar71xx-generic-wndr3700v2-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin  ?
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> wget or scp, and yes
[14:51]  * popey does that
[14:54]  * popey waits impatiently for openwrt to come back
[14:57] <bigcalm> I should get around to unbricking my WNDR3800 some day
[15:00] <MooDoo> i get a virgin media router tomorrow, might see what it runs like
[15:01] <MooDoo> free upgrade to 5-mb
[15:01] <MooDoo> 50
[15:02] <daftykins> heh, if they're anything like my friends one over in Brighton, the 2.4GHz wifi keeps dying independantly
[15:02] <MooDoo> daftykins: i have that problem with my ddrwt one now, although i might be channel interferance, drops randomly when i'm doing big file copies
[15:03] <daftykins> big file copies on wireless? :D
[15:03] <MooDoo> daftykins: and iso for example
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> I unbricked hm
[15:03] <daftykins> hmm that's not very impressive stability
[15:03] <MooDoo> daftykins: i know :D
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> My TP-Link 4300 is quite stable
[15:04] <daftykins> i wouldn't tolerate that ;)
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> even with the 100 or so wifi networks in range
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> (yay perpendicular 1960s appartment blocks)
[15:04] <daftykins> heh
[15:04] <daftykins> wifi ubiquity is definitely a problem these days
[15:04] <daftykins> thankfully my place is granite so helps with that :>
[15:05] <daftykins> 17th century Guernsey house - 2 foot+ thick granite walls \o/
[15:05] <bigcalm> MooDoo: when you get the superhub from vm, switch it into modem only mode and use your own router
[15:05] <MooDoo> i sometimes end up just using my netgear ethernet over power gaget whic h is better
[15:05] <bigcalm> MooDoo: it's what everybody else does
[15:05] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i'll give that a go
[15:06] <bigcalm> It's a shame we can't buy a cable modem of our choosing
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: how's the inside temperature?
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: hot in winter, cold in summer?
[15:07] <daftykins> the ground level isn't so bad :) i've just ok'd to my dad to buy some 5mm perspex to do some simple secondary glazing substitute on my windows
[15:08] <MooDoo> bigcalm: you probably could, but then you'd have crap connectivity
[15:08] <daftykins> the top floor under the roof has zero insulation, so it hits 30degC in summer (despite the outside being low 20s tops) and freezes in winter :>
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> I can keep my doors open in winter and still be warm. Yay neighbors all around (who turn on their heating *a lot*)
[15:09] <daftykins> hahaha
[15:10] <daftykins> my main annoyance is a little bit of missing door frame above my front door, the wind comes right down the street and blows right inside
[15:10] <daftykins> been asking my dad to get his workplace to make up a replacement for probably a year now, he never gets around to it :P
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: did it come back up ?
[15:22] <popey> it did
[15:22] <popey> root@hawking:~# iw reg get
[15:22] <popey> country GB: DFS-ETSI
[15:22] <popey>                         * 2472 MHz [13] (17.0 dBm)
[15:22] <popey> \o/
[15:23] <popey> thank you!
[15:23] <daftykins> how come you wanted to use the Japanese only channel?
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: no that's 14
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> 1-13 = EU
[15:23] <daftykins> oh, well why 13 then :P
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> least congested?
[15:23] <popey> because none of my neighbours have it ㋛
[15:24]  * popey fiddles /etc/config/wireless and reboots
[15:24] <popey> lets see if it comes back on 13 and 64
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> popey: you should be able to use any 5GHz frequency as well (also the "NO-INDOOR" ones) -- this firmware has all the required patches
[15:24] <bigcalm> I'm the only one with a 5ghz network. I think the range of 5ghz isn't that good
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> popey: you can just run "/etc/init.d/networking reload" for that :)
[15:24] <popey> i set it to 64
[15:24] <popey> too late ☻
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> 64 is good enough
[15:25] <popey> i have two 5GHz
[15:25] <daftykins> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/2.4_GHz_Wi-Fi_channels_%28802.11b%2Cg_WLAN%29.svg/1280px-2.4_GHz_Wi-Fi_channels_%28802.11b%2Cg_WLAN%29.svg.png
[15:25] <popey> at each end of the house
[15:25] <daftykins> 1,6,11,14 are non-overlapped
[15:25] <popey> doubt many of my devices will go to 14
[15:25] <popey>                         * 2484 MHz [14] (disabled)
[15:25] <popey> 13 is okay. most people near me are on 1 or 6
[15:26] <MooDoo> JamesTait: ubuntu lts server works wll with hyper-v :D
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: in Europe, 1, 5, 9, 13 will also work fine -- but lots of devices use 1/6/11 so usually you can't anyway :)
[15:26] <directhex> i used to have a wifi app on my phone which showed congestion. hang on...
[15:26] <daftykins> eww hyper-v
[15:27] <daftykins> wifi analyser \o/
[15:27] <MooDoo> daftykins: i like it lol :D
[15:27] <bigcalm> That's the one
[15:27] <popey> yeah, i use Wifi Analyser
[15:27] <popey> wandered round with two android tablets yesterday, one on 2.4, one on 5
[15:28] <directhex> lots of wifi congestion near me.
[15:28] <popey> http://imgur.com/SfnteU5 my neighbourhood
[15:28] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ovm4uu760znsq8z/Screenshot_2014-11-17-15-27-58.png?dl=0
[15:28] <directhex> nobody else on 5GHz though
[15:29] <daftykins> eww that's a horrid neighbour indeed, popey :>
[15:33] <directhex> http://i.imgur.com/pvrYzDP.png
[15:34] <DJones> As everyone is sharing, http://imgur.com/ywDF8rt
[15:35] <popey> haha, spankland
[15:35] <DJones> directhex: Interesting strongest signal you've got there
[15:35] <diddledan> I had to order a new psu
[15:35] <popey> for some reason the "F*ck off and die" access point that used to show up has gone
[15:35] <directhex> DJones: with 3 antennae it had better be the strongest!
[15:35] <diddledan> it'll be here in the morrow
[15:36] <popey> DJones: wow, you in the middle of nowhere?
[15:36] <diddledan> and just as I finish the order the pc it's destined for powers off
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> using iw wlan0 scan on AP #1:
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> 2.4GHz: 20
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> 5GHz: 1
[15:36] <popey> or just a cave with you and your phone
[15:36] <daftykins> did i link this in here yet? http://thehackernews.com/2014/11/rootpipe-critical-mac-os-x-yosemite.html
[15:37] <popey> dont fink so
[15:37] <DJones> popey: Pretty much at work, only 1 building within about 100 yards, and thats a dodgy B&B that only just about has a tv antenna, never mind wifi
[15:38] <popey> heh
[15:38] <DJones> Although I do get a nice 52.65Mbps download on 4G here
[15:39] <MartijnVdS> DJones: so do I, in Amsterdam city centre :)
[15:41] <DJones> This is on the edge of Liverpool city centre
[16:10] <diddledan> the new psu can't come soon enough. I can't keep the pc alive more than ten minutes before the power drops to a point where the gfx stops working
[16:23] <daftykins> diddledan: ouch, just died of old age?
[16:24] <diddledan> yeah, I woke up to the fan making weird rattling this morning. moving the case seemed to kill the fan and now I guess it's overheating
[16:25] <daftykins> not gonna conduct surgery and insert another fan? :D
[16:26] <diddledan> no, I'm not that brave
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> the most surgery i've ever done on a psu is extract 10lb of cat hair
[16:27] <daftykins> lol
[16:27] <zmoylan-pi> other than that's it's a drop in replacement and keep your eyebrows
[16:33] <daftykins> nothing wrong with PSU surgery ;D
[16:33] <daftykins> just... don't touch anything or poke metal tools inside :>
[16:35] <zmoylan-pi> and capacitors *AREN'T* your friends
[17:00] <awilkins> Blew the dust out of the GFs laptop cooler
[17:00] <awilkins> No longer sounds like a 747 on final taxi to the runway
[17:01] <awilkins> A little worrying now actually... too quiet
[17:01] <daftykins> =]
[17:02] <daftykins> plugged the fan back in? ;)
[17:02] <awilkins> didn't unplug it
[17:02] <awilkins> Just directed canned air into the rear grille and fan intakes
[17:02] <daftykins> oh :S
[17:03] <awilkins> Laptop isn't exploding
[17:03] <awilkins> Managed to back up files from Windows with antivirus for an hour or so, so it had a workout
[17:03] <map> so my pi turned off again....and no idea why dad rebooted it so couldnt tell if it was just networking crashed
[17:05] <daftykins> i wouldn't think it safe to just blow into a laptop with compressed air, as the dust bunnies could just wrap around the fan spindle and snap off next time it runs
[17:05] <daftykins> i only ever do full disassemblies where i re-do the thermal paste too
[17:05] <awilkins> It's so hard to disassemble many laptops down to the fan though
[17:06] <awilkins> I have an HP G72 and you literally have to strip the whole thing down, motherboard included, remove the heatsink from the thermal material, and then start bending sheet metal to open the fan assembly
[17:06] <daftykins> :D
[17:06] <daftykins> yep, i've done ones like that
[17:06] <awilkins> A wee squirt of canned air produces marvellous results without nearly so much fuss
[17:07] <daftykins> but the dust doesn't come out? :)
[17:07] <awilkins> The dust came out of the intake hole
[17:07] <awilkins> The biggest problem is the mat that forms over the radiator output
[17:07] <daftykins> interesting
[17:08] <awilkins> Impedes airflow and just causes the fan to recirculate hot air
[17:08] <map> hm ive used canned air in laptops before didnt think it would do any damage
[17:08] <awilkins> Which is why it goes so fast, those cylindrical fans run much faster when they create a low pressure zone because they can't move air
[17:09] <awilkins> Same reason a COncept 2 rowing machine is much easier when you close off the intake aperture
[17:09] <awilkins> Less air moved, less energy dissipated from fan, fan moves faster
[17:11] <map> i need to ix my captop:)
[17:13] <daftykins> map: new keyboard for you for Christmas, i see
[17:13] <map> pah:)
[17:13] <map> typo:P
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> either nix or fix, could end up bad for the laptop :-)
[17:59] <Azelphur> Stumbled upon a pretty cool gadget, tempted to get one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zalman-ZM-VE300-Portable-2-5-SATA-Silver-USB-3-0-HDD-Enclosures-with-Virtual-Dr-/361045053270
[17:59] <Azelphur> If you put ISOs in the "ISO" directory, that drive can mount them and emulate a USB CD/DVD/BR drive
[18:00] <daftykins> oh that's a far more bearable price one
[18:00] <daftykins> i remember them being way worse
[18:00] <Azelphur> yea, that's a pretty ok price
[18:00] <Azelphur> and I have a spare 320GB drive I can throw in there
[18:01] <daftykins> thing is, USB 3 flash drive + YUMI or some crafty time with GRUB and you can dump ISOs on one to do the same thing
[18:01] <Azelphur> daftykins: not with Windows ISOs though
[18:02] <daftykins> for which part?
[18:02] <daftykins> because i do
[18:02] <Azelphur> daftykins: I've never been able to successfully boot Windows from USB, it just doesn't work
[18:02] <daftykins> fine here :)
[18:03] <Azelphur> clearly you're some form of wizard.
[18:03] <Azelphur> what did you use to create it?
[18:03] <zmoylan-pi> ground up pixies and unicorns :-p
[18:04] <daftykins> i tend to do my Windows ones natively, by dumping the ISO contents on a FAT formatted ~4GB+ partition followed by running the /boot/bootsect.exe /nt60 X: for win7+
[18:04] <Azelphur> daftykins: does Windows work with YUMI?
[18:04] <daftykins> yep
[18:04] <Azelphur> cool
[18:04] <Azelphur> I might give that a whirl
[18:04] <daftykins> but if you mean using a USB 3 port, you have to have USB 3 drivers for the system's controller integrated into a 7 image
[18:04] <daftykins> (if Windows 7(
[18:04] <daftykins> *)
[18:04] <Azelphur> daftykins: surely if you use USB 3 it'll still work, you just might have to fallback to USB 2?
[18:05] <daftykins> well it's pretty damned odd :D it'll boot then claim you have no hard disks XD
[18:05] <Azelphur> ah
[18:05] <daftykins> this might only be with my own laptop where the USB 3 is some obscure 3rd party controller chip though, not sure about native intel USB 3 systems
[18:06] <daftykins> i tend to just use the USB 2 ports for certainty
[18:06] <Azelphur> yea
[18:08] <daftykins> i've got this lovely Team Group 32GB USB 3 drive right now which put a full 900MB ISO on in around 13 seconds
[18:08] <Azelphur> nice
[18:08] <daftykins> i've been meaning to modify a windows 7 ISO with my laptops drivers so i can see how insane a USB 3 -> SSD install is for speed :D
[18:16] <Azelphur> daftykins: apparently yumi only works with 1 windows image on it at a time
[18:18] <daftykins> it does :(
[18:18] <Azelphur> daftykins: makes it not so useful
[18:19] <daftykins> in fact YUMI breaks a fair bit... you can't run memtest off the menu of ubuntu ISOs
[18:19] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea, I tried another tool like this before
[18:19] <Azelphur> and it just didn't work
[18:19] <daftykins> it is kind of tempting to have one o' those gadgets - assuming it works as it claims
[18:19] <daftykins> i seem to have a drive for each main OS that i use
[18:20] <daftykins> then a single one with multiple Linux ISOs
[18:20] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea, it certainly looks like it does given reviews
[18:21] <daftykins> would be pretty neat to even put this spare 40GB SSD in and throw on a load of the usual suspects :D
[18:21] <Azelphur> exactly
[18:22] <Azelphur> daftykins: stick all the *buntus on there, gparted live cd, Windows XP through 8.1, OSX too, both 32bit and 64bit
[18:22] <Azelphur> will get you covered for any machine you encounter
[18:23] <daftykins> hmm assuming it'll like converted OS X images
[18:23] <daftykins> i've a flash drive with 10.9 on atm, could update that to have Yosemite on it now
[18:24] <Azelphur> daftykins: converted?
[18:24] <daftykins> yeah because it's usually some non-ISO format in the download edition i think
[18:24] <Azelphur> ah
[18:24] <daftykins> depends what images the Zalman works with i guess
[18:25] <Azelphur> think just ISOs
[18:25] <Azelphur> but must be able to get an ISO of pretty much everything
[18:26] <daftykins> yeah, macs just talk .dmg as standard of course
[18:54] <daftykins> Azelphur: if you ordered it already, let me know how it is? :D
[19:04] <Azelphur> daftykins: haven't ordered it, but certainly pondering
[19:04] <Azelphur> might put it on my christmas list
[19:18] <daftykins> :D
[19:18] <daftykins> i could put it on my Christmas list too, for future daftykins to buy for me
[19:19] <popey> heh
[19:19] <popey> what product we talking about now?
[19:19] <popey> I clearly need more things for my wishlist!
[19:19] <popey> (this close to xmas)
[19:19] <daftykins> that Zalman hard disk virtual CD emulator
[19:19] <daftykins> i think you mentioned it once too, mr. popey
[19:19] <popey> oh zalman, yeah, i have one
[19:20] <daftykins> has it worked with absolutely every system you've tried it with?
[19:22] <popey> no
[19:22] <popey> i have a toshiba laptop it didnt work with
[19:22] <popey> but that laptop is ~6 years old I think
[19:22] <popey> thinkpads had no problem with it.
[19:42] <daftykins> popey: ah, good to know. it does seem somewhat risky in my head, ta!
[19:43] <MrBanana> does ubuntu 14.04 come with anti virus
[19:44] <daftykins> no
[19:44] <daftykins> !antivirus
[19:44] <MrBanana> so i dont have to worry about virus
[19:45] <daftykins> correct
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: I'm up to 45 2.4GHz networks, and 0 (other) 5GHz ones
[20:13] <TheBlackRussian> Guess whos back :D for HELP
[20:14] <TheBlackRussian> i need help installing themes on ubuntu
[20:43] <map> hi all
[20:43] <map> well that sucked..went out for food and it was garbage
[20:43] <map> :(
[20:43] <diddledan> :-(
[20:43] <diddledan> speaking of food
[20:44] <diddledan> I need some
[20:44] <map> ;]
[20:44] <diddledan> daftykins: make me a sammich
[20:45] <map> nein
[20:45] <diddledan> no, just 8 will do
[20:45] <daftykins> i just had pasta
[20:49] <m0nkey_> sudo make me a sammich
[20:49] <map> daftykins,  channel cook?
[20:53] <diddledan> morning m0nkey_
[20:53] <daftykins> i'd feel sorry for you all if i were ;)
[20:53] <diddledan> daftykins: you can't be as bad as me
[20:54] <diddledan> daftykins: my specialty is takeout pizza
[20:54] <daftykins> :D
[20:54] <m0nkey_> evenin
[20:54] <map> i like to eat out..
[20:54] <map> try to 1-2x a week
[20:54] <map> saves cooking and washing up:D
[20:58] <daftykins> m0nkey_: o/
[20:59] <map> time for homeland
[20:59] <map> :DDDD
[21:00] <daftykins> don't even know what that is
[21:00] <daftykins> +about
[21:01] <diddledan> I only saw the first half of the first season
[21:01] <diddledan> I kinda lost track of it
[21:02] <map> pfft
[21:02] <map> amateur tv watchers
[21:02] <map> :D
[21:04] <daftykins> i consider that a compliment
[21:08] <map> pff
[21:15] <popey> MartijnVdS: wifey having trouble connecting to wifi on her macbook pro ⍨
[21:26] <popey> MartijnVdS: on closer inspection they're connecting and can ping internal ip addresses
[21:26] <popey> i think there's a route missing or something
[21:40] <daftykins> delete the profile for the network sir
[21:40] <daftykins> them macs be screwy
[21:40] <popey> yeah, i deleted and recredted
[21:40] <popey> er recreated
[21:40] <daftykins> restart too? ;D
[21:41] <popey> so, she's going mac -> wifi -> router running openwrt in bridged mode (<IP_ADDRESS>) -> router to internet (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[21:41] <popey> from her mac I can ping 1.1
[21:41] <popey> so I am connected to wifi and getting past the openwrt router
[21:41] <popey> but I can't ping outside the network
[21:41]  * popey sends her fb msg to reboot it
[21:42] <daftykins> two routes on the same subnet with DHCP killed and no double NAT sounds nicely straightforward
[21:42] <popey> its not double nat
[21:42] <popey> <IP_ADDRESS> bridges
[21:42] <daftykins> that's what i'm confirming ja
[21:42] <popey> so the dhcp is done by 1.1
[21:42] <daftykins> i've been around some hilarious setups recently where people are using old routers with new - but still running DHCP :D
[21:42] <popey> ah
[21:43] <daftykins> nice race condition on DHCP offers
[21:43] <daftykins> if you were, it would kinda make sense packets going out but not coming back - so to be like that on the same one is very odd
[21:45]  * popey tests a non-apple device in there
[21:48] <map> very good ep of homeland
[21:48] <map> :D
[21:51] <popey> bah!
[21:51] <popey> resorted to giving her an ethernet cable
[21:52] <popey> it's certainly a routing issue of some kind. can ping <IP_ADDRESS> from her laptop but not <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:53]  * popey wonders if MartijnVdS maybe missed some kernel module off in his firmware build ☻
[22:00] <map> just love brooklyn nine nine so funny
[22:12] <diddledan> popey, just listening to the podcast from 6th November. Re: the inclusivity of conferences survey - in addition to a "if not why not" you could have an "if so, did you feel welcome?" and an "if you went, was there any specific reasoning why you decided to attend?" - that way you can see what made those that did attend and also what made those who didn't attend stay away. It might make for a more interesting analysis knowing both why and why not
[22:13] <diddledan> come up with a venn diaphragm to figure out the best method to include both camps
[22:14] <map> hmm
[22:15] <map> annoying here
[22:15] <map> casino closes at 4
[22:15] <map> ;[
[22:15] <map> and no strip clubs
[22:15] <map> strange
[22:15] <diddledan> :-o
[22:16] <diddledan> n0rty
[22:16] <diddledan> or were you referring to strip-mining clubs?
[22:16] <map> im ust used to it
[22:16] <map> hah
[22:16] <map> nah usually go to reflex..then strip club..then casino
[22:19] <popey> diddledan: good pint
[22:19] <popey> er, point
[22:19] <popey> Myrtti: irssinotifier is way more crashy under L ☹
[22:19] <diddledan> popey: John Smiths please
[22:19] <diddledan> :-p
[22:20] <diddledan> either that or whatever real-ale the bar has
[22:20] <map> gonna go into spain
[22:20] <map> see if theres any strip clubs there
[22:20] <map> blow a few hundred euros ;]
[22:21] <map> boring monday night else
[22:21] <diddledan> I wonder when the nexus-7 2012 gsm model is going to get an update rollout to L
[22:26] <map> well tat sucks
[22:26] <map> 'La Linea Strip Club' was frutless
[22:26] <map> *fruitless
[23:49] <d3ngar> Hi, on the off-chance that someone here knows more about the intricacies of Eclipse:
[23:49] <d3ngar> I seem to have a problem with Eclipse: I'm using eGit and I've changed to a different branch. Unfortunately when I try to run this branch, it just runs the master branch
[23:51] <daftykins> why not ask in a java dev channel?
[23:51] <d3ngar> Good point!
[23:51] <daftykins> heh
[23:57] <directhex> eclipse /o\
[23:58] <daftykins> total eclipse of the heart


[17:31] <micahg> hi, how does one run the TCK for openjdk?
[17:38] <micahg> bdrung: do you know? ^^
[21:03] <micahg>  hi, how does one run the TCK for openjdk?
[21:07] <g00bm4n> hi'


[12:32] <pelpsi> Scheduled maintenance started! Expected downtime: 30 mins. PPA service will be affected.
[13:22] <athos> is this still ongoing?
[13:31] <pelpsi> athos, yep
[14:01] <Guest36> hey! has the expected downtime been extended? we are still unable to connect to ppa
[14:02] <tolecnal> Expected downtime was 30 minutes, which was announced nearly 90 minutes ago. So my guess is that they've run into some issues.
[14:04] <pelpsi> Maintenance still ongoing, sorry for the inconvenience.
[14:05] <cjwatson> It might be nice to explain a little bit about what's gone wrong
[14:05] <cjwatson> Good for transparency and helps to set expectations
[14:09] <pelpsi> cjwatson: Sure, we have a maintenance of a node where the PPA service is running. Unfortunately, after the BIOS upgrade, the node is stuck on Boot screen. We are working to fix that.
[14:11] <cjwatson> Right, so cloud-level
[14:12] <pelpsi> yep
[14:24] <tolecnal> https://status.canonical.com/ is showing green across the board, and I was just able to complete an update that failed during the maintenance. So I reckon pelpsi and the PPA team was able to resolve the boot issue :)
[14:24] <tolecnal> Thanks!
[14:26] <pelpsi> Maintenance completed and PPA service is up again! Sorry for the inconvenience, and thank you for your patience and understanding.
[14:33] <athos> thanks!


[07:07] <evdubs> hi - is there a way to configure an application in the favorites bar to run with a specific environment variable?


[01:38] <a1fa> anyone else having slowness issues with us.archive ?
[01:38] <a1fa> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/universe/i18n/Translation-en  Hash Sum mismatch
[01:38] <a1fa> now this
[01:41] <krabador> a1fa, it's probably that you must wait sometime before a fix, or you can try another repo source
[01:41] <a1fa> krabador: k
[01:47] <penguin42> a1fa: It's rare but I have also seen that with bad RAM
[01:49] <a1fa> client side?
[01:49] <a1fa> its working fine now
[01:49] <a1fa> it was something with the server
[01:49] <a1fa> the server is very slow too
[01:51] <penguin42> yeh I once had bad RAM and when it fetched it it landed in corrupt RAM
[01:51] <a1fa> hm, i guess i could do a mem test later tonight
[01:52] <a1fa> is xfce 4.12 going to make it to 15.04 or we are already in feature freeze?
[01:52] <jtaylor> thats not broken ram
[01:52] <jtaylor> its just apt/servers being wonky
[01:52] <jtaylor> happens all the time
[01:52] <jtaylor> try updating again later
[01:53] <a1fa> just did and it worked fine
[08:47] <elfy> a1fa: FFe in for xfce 4.12
[10:24] <alket> Hi, I have no audio in Kubuntu 15.04
[10:46] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:01] <ngaio> How do I ensure the Nvidia 346 driver is the driver being used? I can install it, which uninstalls 340, reboot, but then I'm back to Nouveau.
[12:41] <lordievader> alket: What is the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A2 Audio'?
[12:42] <alket> https://paste.kde.org/popjwylid
[12:43] <lordievader> alket: That looks okay, does 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav' produce any output?
[12:44] <alket> no
[12:45] <lordievader> alket: Does it error?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> alket, have you updated/upgraded since the install and was the audio working before the upgrade?
[12:46] <alket> i did a fresh install
[12:46] <alket> on kubuntu 14.04, 14.10 it worked
[12:46] <alket> but in 15.04 never
[12:46] <alket> ok the back port is working, but not the front one
[12:47] <lordievader> alket: Is the front port muted?
[12:47] <lordievader> alket: See 'alsamixer' ;)
[12:47] <alket> nothing is muted
[12:48] <lordievader> alket: Hmm, open pavucontrol and see to where the audio is directed.
[12:48] <BluesKaj> alket, have you checked the various controls in alsamixer ?
[12:49] <alket> but its GTK xD
[12:50] <alket> oke did all 100% in alsamixer
[12:50] <alket> still no sound in front
[12:51] <alket> want KRDC access ?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> which player? or are you using multimedia system settings?
[12:51] <alket> Amarok
[12:55] <BluesKaj> alket, run sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel then reboot
[12:55] <lordievader> alket: Have you checked pavucontrol yet?
[12:56] <lordievader> BluesKaj: You do know that modprobes are runtime only? Rebooting nullifies the effect.
[12:56] <lordievader> Besides snd-hda-intel was already loaded.
[12:57] <alket> lordievader: is there a cli version of pavucontrol
[12:57] <alket> i dont want to install more gtk things
[12:58] <BluesKaj> lod because it's acommon bug with the intel module , it doesn't load properly even tho there's no output from the command,..not until the pc is rebooted
[12:58] <BluesKaj> lordievader,^
[12:58] <lordievader> Yes, pactl and pacmd probably replace it... but they are difficult to use.
[12:59] <lordievader> However I cannot help you with those tools as I never use them.
[13:00] <alket> ok installed pavucontrol
[13:00] <BluesKaj> alket, and testing sound with amarok doesn't help solve your issue , it just complicates matters
[13:01] <alket> well I only need amarok and some games for sounds hehe
[13:02] <BluesKaj> run the tests in system settings > multimedia >music
[13:06] <BluesKaj> then if the audio works there , apply to devices list as well , the click apply
[13:13] <alket> im still lost at pavucontrols
[13:14] <alket> well since back port is working ,its ok , thanks :)
[13:14] <lordievader> alket: Go to the 'output devices' tab and see what port is selected.
[13:15] <alket> ok brb 10
[13:16] <BluesKaj> alket, whatever shows in system settings > multimedia >music should be listed in the pavucontrol output dropdown, check the outputs avaialble pavucontrol and try them in system settings test
[13:47] <alket> well strange thing, games dont have audio
[13:50] <BluesKaj> alket, so do the audio tests work in systemsettings>muntimedia>music ?
[14:03]  * BluesKaj has had it with this one ...no point
[14:40] <alket> BluesKaj: it works
[14:40] <alket> sorry was bit afk, some things IRL
[14:40] <BluesKaj> what works
[14:41] <BluesKaj> " it " doesn't tell me much
[14:41] <alket> Built-in , not GK107
[14:45] <BluesKaj> is not a mindreader
[14:56] <alket> im not sure what to tell xD
[15:00] <BluesKaj> alket, you saw what I posted, not repeating myself
[16:51] <Novice201y> Hi. After changing from init to systemd in 15.04 my netbook doesn't see an usb modem. How to fix this?
[16:56] <TheNumb> Novice201y: switch back to upstart.
[16:56] <TheNumb> It's still the recommended init system for 15.04.
[16:57] <TheNumb> Novice201y: you could also try enabling the modemmanager service
[16:58] <Novice201y> TheNumb, Now I'm updating Ubuntu by 2nd channel. We'll see.
[17:10] <Novice201y> TheNumb, Yup, update solved the problem. Hail to Ubuntu! ;)
[17:11] <TheNumb> :)
[17:11] <TheNumb> I think that systemd should become a default init system on 16.04
[17:11] <TheNumb> s/on/in/
[17:19] <elfy> afaik I've not seen anything saying that systemd won't be default in 15.04
[17:19] <Novice201y> On 15.04 upstart I receive: org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.Device.Control when unlocking USB modem. How to fix it?
[17:20] <k1l_> 16.04 is the target for systemd beeing the standard
[17:20] <Novice201y> PolicyKit authorization failder: challenge needed for org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.Device.Control
[17:20] <k1l_> elfy: please show the announcement telling 15.04 using systemd as standard init
[17:22] <elfy> k1l_: not seen any announcement - just read blueprints
[17:22] <Novice201y> Any ideas?
[17:23] <k1l_> its the other way around than what you tell here. systemd is in the progress to be the standard in 16.04. so its worked on. but upstart keeps beeing the standard init
[17:23] <k1l_> *so far
[17:24] <elfy> k1l_: "this cycle we fully intend to make the switch to systemd as PID 1.= Remaining services that need porting to systemd ="
[17:24] <elfy> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1411-systemd-migration
[17:24] <elfy> but it is of course a blueprint :)
[17:25] <elfy> I try and catch up with pitti regularly - I'll try again tomorrow
[17:26] <TheNumb> http://people.canonical.com/~jhunt/systemd/packages-to-convert/2015-03-01.txt
[17:27] <TheNumb> That's not much tbh
[17:27] <elfy> yep - list is a whole lot shorter than the first time I looked - mostly I want to see things that start with xu or xf and I don't need to page down anymore :)