[00:10] <SineDeviance> Hi all! I am about to reinstall Zorin OS 16 (based on Ubuntu 20.04.3) on my work laptop, and I am wondering - if I opt for the full disk encryption option, does this use the TPM for unlocking or will I need to enter a password at boot? The installer is ubiquity for what it's worth
[00:13] <leftyfb> !zorin | SineDeviance
[00:13] <SineDeviance> leftyfb: zorin has no support IRC channel
[00:13] <SineDeviance> if that's what you were getting at
[00:13] <leftyfb> SineDeviance: we cannot support unofficial Ubuntu derivatives here, sorry
[00:14] <SineDeviance> still, it uses the stock ubuntu installer and partition manager, so my question still stands
[00:14] <SineDeviance> leftyfb: k. let me ask this another way, then
[00:14] <leftyfb> SineDeviance: https://zorin.com/help/  <~~~ this is where you get support
[00:14] <SineDeviance> if I install ubuntu 20.04.3 and use the full disk encryption option, is it going to use my TPM for unlocking or will I need to enter a password at power-on?
[00:14] <leftyfb> SineDeviance: no, sorry, we're not going to play that game
[00:14] <SineDeviance> seriously?
[00:15] <SineDeviance> they're literally the same base
[00:15] <SineDeviance> same installer
[00:15] <SineDeviance> same everything
[00:15] <leftyfb> SineDeviance: then install ubuntu
[00:15] <SineDeviance> leftyfb: I JUST ASKED if I installed ubuntu instead, would it use the TPM or not?
[00:38] <Croran> leftyfb: i don't see that as a game...
[00:39] <oerheks>  journalctl -k --grep=tpm  https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/security/tpm/index.html
[00:39] <Croran> oh he's already gone. I was going to say, I don't think there is a 20.04.3 versino of ubuntu... I have 20.04.2 and I thought I had the latest...
[00:39] <Croran> version*
[00:40] <leftyfb> Croran: 20.04.3 is the latest
[00:40] <Croran> leftyfb: oh... what am i doing wrong then?
[00:40] <leftyfb> Croran: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade
[00:41] <Croran> leftyfb: sure enough. something appears to be broken with my update notifier.
[01:28] <noarb> I'm having an issue with a dual monitor setup and screen rotation. From the UEFI bootloader, to the grub menu, to the ubuntu login screen the second monitor is being used as the primary monitor and its not rotated correctly
[01:29] <noarb> I'd like to edit these to use the correct monitor. Do I need to modify each stage, or will a change at an earlier step in the boot process be honored by later stages?
[01:30] <noarb> Once I'm logged in, the display preferences takes over and things are displayed correctly
[01:34] <noarb> My monitors are connected through a graphics card, not directly to the motherboard. Does that mean at each stage I'm already using a graphics driver or is there some passthrough?
[02:05] <noarb> I can't just swap the cables, that's the most common "fix" I see
[02:07] <guiverc> noarb, before you login the system isn't using your created settings; you describe the DM which has it's own, also plymouth (it reads the hardware & relies on that for the most part but again it's own) but you've provided no OS & release details
[02:09] <guiverc> uEFI bootloader is hardware/firmware; these settings are being passed to plymouth & DM as default unless configurations you've made overrule
[02:12] <noarb> I'm using Ubuntu 21.04 x86_64, 5.11.0-31-generic with GNOME 3.38.4 with Mutter
[02:12] <noarb> so if I'm able to successfully alter how grub display the monitors, all the stages after that will respect that change?
[02:15] <guiverc> grub settings impact grub alone.
[02:16] <guiverc> I like sddm as it puts the greeter on all displays (suits me as i on rare occasion turn a monitor off)
[02:17] <guiverc> gdm I thought put the greeter on whichever screen the pointer is one  (but I forget version/releases.. it may not be 21.04/hirsute)
[02:37] <Swift110-mobile> hey all
[03:27] <love_> hi
[03:47] <tacotico45> Testing 123
[05:41] <Croran> anyone have experience using a USB-to-HDMI 'displaylink' adapter under Ubuntu?
[07:36] <ned-> hi
[07:44] <alkisg> Hello ned-
[09:38] <TheBigK> i have weird thing with snap installed chromium and hardware decoding
[09:38] <TheBigK> when i launch the browser with /snap/bin/chromium and the start parameters to enable hardware video decode... it doesnt work
[09:38] <TheBigK> when i use /snap/chromium/current/usr/lib/chromium-browser/chrome it works
[09:40] <TheBigK> does this have anything to do with sandboxing or something?
[09:49] <m1dnight> Can somebody tell me what defines the <alt>number shortcuts in gnome?
[09:49] <m1dnight> When I press, say, alt+1 it opens up the first application on the left taskbar (or whatever you call it)
[09:49] <m1dnight> I want to remove that because it collides with gtile :(
[09:49] <m1dnight> Can't find that shortcut anywhere.
[09:57] <m1dnight> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1082772/keyboard-shortcut-for-launching-application-from-dock-in-ubuntu-18
[09:58] <m1dnight> this was it :)
[10:05] <LordRishav> How can I install Alacritty on Ubuntu 20.04?
[10:12] <Guest24> LordRishav Launch Ubuntu Software and search for Alacritty
[10:13] <Guest24> it will pop up
[10:13] <aba_> hey i wanna run virt manager but it keep saying the libvirtd service error
[10:13] <LordRishav> Guest24: I don't want to use a snap, is there not a dev for it?
[10:13] <LordRishav> *deb
[10:14] <aba_> sudo apt install alacritty. didn't find it?
[10:15] <aba_> u can find it in ubuntu repos
[10:15] <LordRishav> It says "Package alacritty is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[10:16] <LordRishav> "However the following packages replace it: ncurses-term"
[10:17] <aba_> i guess u can install it with ppa
[10:17] <aba_> they have their own channel in libera
[10:17] <aba_> u can find it
[10:18] <aba_> #alacritty
[10:18] <aba_> ask them
[10:18] <aba_> maybe they can help u
[11:17] <raccct> hi - is there a way to restart the usb controller?
[11:53] <Guest5967> Hello. I have a dual boot with windows. After a looooong time I'm using the laptop and tried to boot into Ubuntu. After entering password my screen is at > started daily apt upgrade and clean activities
[11:53] <Guest5967> It's been like that for couple of hours now. What should I do?
[12:04] <guiverc> Guest5967, you've not said what release; if server? desktop? GUI or text login?
[12:05] <guiverc> I would probably switch to a (different) text terminal & login & check everything is fine..
[12:06] <Guest5967> Sorry. Desktop. GUI. I don't remember the release but I had installed it over a year ago and had not logged in since.
[12:10] <Guest5967> guiverc could you please tell me a bit more how to do that? Or link me to some reading material.
[12:13] <guiverc> I tend to use Ctrl+Alt+F4 to switch to a text terminal (I feel F4 is easier to feel without looking); you could then login & explore..    The command `lsb_release -a` will provide release details; I'd check you have ip address; can ping local router/switch (update issues need networking; esp. if wifi; inteference from other devices/microwave ovens etc can impact etc)
[12:18] <Guest5967> Thank you let me check.
[12:19] <guiverc> I'd likely use `ip addr` to check you have a valid IP address for your connected network (ip link if you're not sure connected first maybe), `ip route` to see you have default route to router/access-point.. likely ping that, also `ping <IP_ADDRESS>` or external address (<IP_ADDRESS> is google) before using human name such as `ping google.com` etc
[12:21] <guiverc> use ^C (Ctrl+C) to stop a ping if you don't have a `-c` (count) like my examples didn't
[12:21] <tarzeau_> could as well ping <IP_ADDRESS> to avoid google tracking you pinged them at what time from what country, and what time of day
[12:22] <Guest5967> Thank you.
[12:23] <Guest5967> I'm trying to quit the current process.
[12:23] <Guest5967> I think I should just restart the laptop.
[12:24] <guiverc> I'd personally do it without restarting/stopping the current process
[12:24] <guiverc> don't use power-button though - it's not a clean shutdown
[12:25] <Guest5967> Nothing's happening. It's been like this for over 5 hours now. I'm getting a green [ok] beside these things. I think because I've not logged in for so long there are so many updates but over 5 hours?
[12:25] <Guest5967> Power button is the only one I know.
[12:26] <EriC^^> Guest5967: what does 'ps aux | grep -E "apt|dpkg"' give?
[12:26] <guiverc> that does sound like it's locked - but SysRq commadns allow you to command direct to terminal; if you don't want to login to text terminal & give command to safely reboot
[12:27] <guiverc> sysrq direct command to linux kernel, if you don't want to give commands via terminal ^ typos
[12:27]  * guiverc signing off, am too tired
[12:28] <Guest5967> EriC^^ nothing happened.
[12:29] <EriC^^> Guest5967: maybe apt isnt running, are you sure it was running after the command? usually a ">" in the terminal is from a typo like a ' somewhere
[12:30] <Guest5967> No > is there.
[12:31] <Guest5967> It's not the there I mean.
[12:31] <Guest5967> Let me try to show you my screen.
[12:36] <Guest5967> Test.
[12:37] <Guest5967> https://ibb.co/Vp3LVBf/
[12:37] <Guest5967> That should open to a picture of the scren I have.
[12:38] <Guest5967> I'm on my phone so I typed it out. It should open anyways.
[12:39] <EriC^^> Guest5967: were you in the desktop or is that the final screen it reached when booting?
[12:39] <ioria> Guest5967, is it stuck there ? if yes, i don't think you can type anything
[12:40] <ioria> Guest5967, you might need to boot in Recovery mode
[12:40] <Guest5967> Dual boot. I select Ubuntu. Then I select the single user there is to select and enter my password. After a few seconds this is the screen I see.
[12:40] <Guest5967> ioria yes. Not able to type anything.
[12:41] <Guest5967> It's been like that for a long time.
[12:41] <EriC^^> ah, try pressing alt+ctrl+f7 Guest5967
[12:42] <ioria> Guest5967, so you can get to the login screen and ,after that, you see that screen ?
[12:43] <Guest5967> EriC^^ nothings happening. Should I wait?
[12:43] <Guest5967> ioria correct.
[12:43] <ioria> odd
[12:44] <EriC^^> Guest5967: try pressing alt+f2 then login and try 'sudo systemctl restart gdm'
[12:45] <Guest5967> Something's happening.
[12:46] <Guest5967> I pressed alt + f2 and the cursor stopped blinking.
[12:47] <Guest5967> How do I login? I need to restart using the power button right? There's no way out of this.
[12:47] <ioria> Guest5967,  try some other combinations : alt+ctrl+f3 or 4
[12:48] <Guest5967> For the sake of learning if someome has a minute, briefly tell me what this screen is?
[12:48] <mybalzitch> a tty
[12:48] <ioria> Guest5967,  if you ask me, it's just the tail of the bootstrap
[12:49] <mybalzitch> text based terminal to interface with the OS
[12:49] <Guest5967> So ctrl+alt+f3 cleared the screen and now I have the cursor.
[12:50] <ioria> Guest5967,  we don't want the cursor; we want the login prompt
[12:50] <Guest5967> Right.
[12:50] <ioria> so ?
[12:51] <Guest5967> Trying combinations.
[12:51] <Guest5967> Wow
[12:51] <Guest5967> It's here.
[12:52] <ioria> Guest5967,  login
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:52] <Guest5967> The screen says Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS mkc-G5-5587 tty4 and below it mkc-login:
[12:53] <ioria> ok
[12:53] <Guest5967> I'm logging in.
[12:53] <ioria> Guest5967, sudo apt update
[12:54] <bouncy> the xf86sleep key suspends my workstation under X session and also pure terminal. How was that key mapped? Cannot be a X tools like xmodmap nor xbkoptions. I would like to map the other unmapped multimedia keys the same way :)
[12:57] <Guest5967> Man my password is not working. ☹
[12:58] <Guest5967> I am at the right screen though.
[12:58] <Guest5967> _login incorrect_
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> Guest5967: caps or azerty/querty thing?
[12:59] <ioria> Guest5967, you need Grub -> Advanced Options -> Recovery mode, and reset passwd; sy, afk atm gl
[13:01] <Guest5967> Test.
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> Guest5967: <ioria> Guest5967, you need Grub -> Advanced Options -> Recovery mode, and reset passwd; sy, afk atm g
[13:03] <Guest5967> The password is just the login password.
[13:03] <Guest5967> ☹
[13:11] <alkisg> Guest5967: if you entered both your username and password correctly and you still got login incorrect, then one of them is wrong, and you need to boot in recovery mode in order to change your password
[13:11] <Guest5967> No no no.
[13:12] <Guest5967> Logged in.
[13:12] <Guest5967> Got it.
[13:12] <Guest5967> Let me see.
[13:12] <alkisg> Do you still have the problem with graphics login?
[13:13] <Guest5967> No no.
[13:13] <Guest5967> I'm at at that earlier screen now. Terminal where I was entering the wrong user name.
[13:14] <Guest5967> Now I'm at username:~$
[13:14] <Guest5967> Failed to connect to ubuntu.
[13:15] <Guest5967> 0 packages can be updated.
[13:15] <Guest5967> I think I just to give it the internet juice and it should work. 😐
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> Guest5967: did you enable networking?
[13:16] <Guest5967> No I don't thing so.
[13:18] <Guest5967> Ping says network is unreachable.
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> Guest5967: before going to rootshell, enable networking from recoverymode
[13:22] <Guest5967> Okay
[13:34] <turbojetw> hello
[13:35] <turbojetw> anyone is here?
[13:36] <leftyfb> turbojetw: what can we do for you?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> take a look at the nickllist
[13:39] <turbojetw> thanks,  Actually I want to do a test in hexchat just now
[13:40] <leftyfb> turbojetw: this is not the appropriate channel to test your IRC client. Feel free to join or create an almost infinite amount of channels for your testing
[13:40] <Guest5967> Test.
[13:44] <turbojetw> well, thanks for your opinion
[13:45] <Silicium_> hi all
[13:46] <Silicium_> i want to do a unattended installation using autoinstall and i want to use luks encryption. i can't find a documentation documenting the stuff i need.
[14:30] <samir> Hi Everyone.  I'm testing out Ubuntu 21.10 in an Azure cloud VM.  My SSH connection drops out quite frequently and the VM appears to be unresponsive when I try to log back in.
[14:30] <samir> Any suggestions as to what events I should look for in any of the logs to diagnose the issue?
[14:31] <leftyfb> !ubuntu+1 | samir
[14:31] <samir> I've been mainly looking into /var/log/syslog but wasn't sure if there were other areas to investigate
[14:32] <samir> got it. Thanks.  I wasn't aware of those channels.  Will ask over in those channels
[14:35] <Guest306> Hello. How does one connect to the WiFi before logging in?
[14:37] <leftyfb> Guest306: https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-how-to-configure-wifi-to-log-in-to-wpa-at-boot-time-regardless-of-user-being-logged-in/    # found by typing "ubuntu connect to wifi before login" into google
[14:37] <Guest306> I read that but it says I've to be logged in.
[14:38] <leftyfb> Guest306: yes, you have to be logged in to make the changes specified in that article
[14:38] <Guest306> Yeah.
[14:38] <Guest306> I'm trying to connect without loggin in.
[14:38] <leftyfb> Guest306: once you make those changes, you do not need to be logged in anymore to connect to wifi on boot
[14:39] <Guest306> I'm trying to connect without loggin in at all. I'm having trouble logging in.
[14:39] <leftyfb> Guest306: how do you expect to do that?
[14:40] <Guest306> I have no idea. I move to a new WiFi connectivity.
[14:41] <leftyfb> Guest306: what is the issue with logging in?
[14:41] <alierengam> hi
[14:42] <Guest306> Logged in after a long time. So need to update and stuff. But because I've moved to a new connection machine doesn't get any network.
[14:42] <leftyfb> Guest306: what is the issue with logging in?
[14:42] <Guest306> It keeps trying to update but fails.
[14:42] <leftyfb> Guest306: what does that have to do with logging in?
[14:43] <Guest306> This is the issue. I can't go past the screen. After entering password it tries to update but fails.
[14:43] <Guest306> I was here a couple of minutes ago. Guest5967.
[14:43] <leftyfb> Guest306: ubuntu doesn't do that. That's a Windows thing
[14:43] <leftyfb> Guest306: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[14:44] <Guest306> 18 something.
[14:44] <Guest306> My messages should be visible. Guest5967
[14:44] <leftyfb> Guest306: take a picture of this update process and post it to imgur.com
[14:46] <Guest306> I have posted it here. Is there a way for you to tag Guest5967 user. I posted it on imbb
[14:46] <Guest306> I'm on phone. I'm trying to post again.
[14:47] <Guest306> *imgbb
[14:47] <leftyfb> Guest306: I see the picture. That is what you get when you try logging into the graphical login screen?
[14:47] <leftyfb> btw, that isn't "updates", that is your machine booting
[14:48] <Guest306> Wait. Uploading new pic.
[14:52] <Guest306> https://ibb.co/ZXFPz03
[14:53] <leftyfb> Guest306: ok, so this looks like Ubuntu 18.04 server and you logging in just fine
[14:53] <Guest306> This is the screen after I that resort l earlier one. I pressed alt + ctrl + F3 to get here.
[14:53] <leftyfb> oh
[14:54] <Guest306> So i need network on this now.
[14:54] <Guest306> Because it says failed to connect etc.
[14:54] <leftyfb> what do you see what you hit ctrl + alt + f2 ?
[14:55] <leftyfb> Guest306: also, you understand that getting it connected to wifi isn't going to resolve any of these desktop issues right?
[14:56] <Guest306> I'm trying to get it updated in hope that the issue is resolved.
[14:57] <Guest306> I pressed that. Lost the cursor and nothing then.
[14:58] <leftyfb> lost the cursor? "nothing then"?
[14:59] <Guest306> The blinking cursor is gone. But the screen is just frozen now.
[14:59] <leftyfb> Guest306: what does it show?
[14:59] <Guest306> Same screen as before. The cursor is back.
[15:00] <leftyfb> try ctrl + alt + f3 through f7
[15:13] <Guest306> leftyfb F3,4,5,6 just clear the screen. And after 5 minutes I get the login terminal.
[15:13] <Guest306> 7 seems to be doing nothing.
[15:15] <TJ-> Guest306: it sounds like the system is failing to reach network-online.target and therefore isn't getting to multi-user.target . Also sounds like 5/6 minute timeout on some critical unit in the start-up chain
[15:16] <Guest306> I just feel it needs network and update the shitn out of itslelf and it should be fixed. 😁
[15:17] <Guest306> Test.
[15:18] <ioria> Guest306, have you solved your password problem ?
[15:18] <leftyfb> ioria: there isn't a password problem
[15:18] <ioria> i see
[15:18] <Guest306> ioria I have. 😁 Thank you.
[15:19] <ioria> Guest306, are you logged atm ?
[15:19] <Guest306> Yes.
[15:19] <ioria> Guest306, cat /proc/cmdline | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:20] <leftyfb> ioria: no network
[15:20] <ioria> ho
[15:20] <Guest306> No network.
[15:20] <ioria> Guest306, sudo systemctl restart network-manager
[15:21] <Guest306> This is a new WiFi connection. I've never connected to this network.
[15:21] <ioria> ^
[15:21] <ioria> i'd like to know the output anyway
[15:23] <Guest306> Okay.
[15:27] <gob_beldof> I just got my laptop back after a battery replacement. The external monitor is not working when I plug it in. Any idea how to get my external HDMI display to start working again from my laptop. I tried  "xrandr --output HDMI-1-1 --mode 2560x1440" but it said it cannot find the mode
[15:27] <TJ-> Guest306: have you got the new wifi working now?
[15:28] <TJ-> gob_beldof: does "xrandr -q" report modes from that output?
[15:28] <gob_beldof> No, its says DP-1-1 and HDMI-1-1 are disconnected
[15:28] <Guest306> https://ibb.co/vqbfGgz
[15:28] <Guest306> This is where it's at from 5 minutes.
[15:29] <Guest306> @TJ no sir.
[15:29] <Guest306> ioria ^
[15:29] <TJ-> Guest so your user is logged in :)
[15:29] <Guest306> I'm logged in. But no network.
[15:30] <ioria> Guest306, sudo ip link set   <that interface>   up
[15:30] <gob_beldof> @TJ- this is the output from xrandr -q https://pastebin.com/uQfLRH2R
[15:30] <ioria> Guest306,   <that interface>  = wlps0 etc . etc .
[15:30] <TJ-> right, so, there is a text user interface (TUI) access to connection-editor where you can define a new wifi SSID and passphrase etc. "nmtui" then "Edit connection..." then tab over to "Add" button (spacebar acts as a mouse click, Enter key as the default accept action)
[15:31] <TJ-> Guest306: ^
[15:31] <ioria> Guest306,   right, nmtui is the right tool
[15:31] <Guest306> I got none of that. ☹
[15:31] <ioria> 18.04 has no nmtui ?
[15:31] <TJ-> Guest306: the command is "nmtui"
[15:32] <TJ-> it is a text user interface (dialogs, buttons, etc.) but made from text only
[15:32] <Guest306> Please don't say anything now. I'll reconnect in 20 minutes. I have to move rooms. Please give me 20 minutes.
[15:32] <Guest306> I'm on phone and it'll lose WiFi.
[15:33] <TJ-> gob_beldof: so the X server cannot detect any monitor at all. Best to check the X server's log file for any clues here.  what Ubuntu release is it, and which desktop environment ?
[15:35] <gob_beldof> Kubuntu 20.04
[15:35] <gob_beldof> Ill check the xserver log
[15:36] <tieinv> im running 18.04.05 no nmtui installed by default
[15:36] <tieinv> ^server
[15:36] <ioria> interesting
[15:36] <ioria> no server, nm is for desktop
[15:36] <ioria> mistery solved he installed server ed. probably
[15:37] <tieinv> mabey
[15:38] <ioria> but i don't think so
[15:40] <TJ-> That makes me think, for these situations, having info on the active network manager(s) in motd could be useful - in addition to later additions that report IP addresses
[15:40] <ioria> configuring wifi via cli is a pain indeed
[15:42] <TJ-> it's actually quite a bit easier to simply create the .connection file
[15:42] <ioria> never done, thanks for mentioning
[15:47] <TJ-> we should be shipping a template for that in doc/.../examples/ because it only needs 6 or 7 lines
[15:49] <Guest306> I'm back. 😁
[15:49] <Guest306> I was nmtui
[15:50] <ioria> Guest306, you were what ?
[15:50] <Guest306> Text UI for new connection.
[15:51] <ioria> yes, so ? does it work ?
[15:57] <Guest306> I have 3 options here. Edit a connection. Activate a connection. Set a system hostname.
[15:58] <Guest306> Activate is not working. When I select my network it says "could not activate connection: Not authorised to control networking
[15:59] <Guest306> Wait.
[15:59] <Guest306> Sudo
[16:01] <Guest306> Connected.
[16:02] <Guest306> @TJ ioria leftyfb ^ connected.
[16:02] <Guest306> 🙂
[16:03] <Guest306> sudo nmtui and then just selected the network.
[16:06] <Guest306> Now try to update.
[16:11] <Guest306> sudo apt update is enough? Or should I be running something else.
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | Guest306
[16:12] <Guest306> Thank you. 💋
[16:15] <Guest306> I'm on 18 so full upgrade?
[16:17] <alkisg> First sudo apt full-upgrade and then sudo do-release-upgrade
[16:18] <leftyfb> Guest3284: are you trying to just do package updates or upgrade from release 18.04 to 20.04?
[16:18] <leftyfb> nevermind
[16:18] <Guest30> I don't know what to do. I've been on 18 forever. I've not updated or loggen over a year. So whichever is safer.
[16:19] <leftyfb> Guest30: start with regular updates; sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:19] <Guest30> Yes. I'll try that.
[16:25] <Guest30> All errors. 0 upgraded. Failed to fetch archive.ubuntu. could not resolve launchpad, security, archive.
[16:26] <mybalzitch> is it actually acrhive.ubuntu. not archive.ubuntu.com ?
[16:26] <mybalzitch> oh ubuntu.org serves ads. nice.
[16:26] <leftyfb> Guest30: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:27] <leftyfb> Guest30: sorry, ( sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:30] <Guest30> mybalzitch it is. I was just writing short. Sorry.
[16:30] <Guest30> leftyfb let me try.
[16:32] <Guest30> Test.
[16:34] <Guest30> @left nc: getaddrinfo for host termbin .com port 9999: name or service not known.
[16:34] <Guest30> Same as before. All failed to fetch and could not resolve.
[16:34] <leftyfb> Guest30: if you typed it correct, then you aren't connected online
[16:35] <leftyfb> termbin.com , not termbin .com
[16:39] <TJ-> the while issue looks like DNS failure here
[16:39] <TJ-> /whole/
[16:40] <Guest30> leftyfb I'm writing this in phone in short form.
[16:40] <leftyfb> Guest30: don't
[16:41] <Guest30> I'm connected. Pinged to Google. Plus did the nmtui thing.
[16:41] <leftyfb> Guest30: take pictures if you have to. "sort form" helps noone and only creates more troubleshooting
[16:41] <leftyfb> sorry, "short"
[16:42] <TJ-> Guest30: check if the system has any name resolution working: "systemd-resolve archive.ubuntu.com"
[16:42] <leftyfb> TJ-: they said they can ping google
[16:43] <TJ-> right, but can it resolve ubuntu servers specifically
[16:44] <Helmholtz> How to set systemd-timer to run ever 30 minutes but always run at boot?
[16:44] <Helmholtz> Is this it `OnUnitActiveSec=30min` ?
[16:44] <leftyfb> Guest30: please take a picture of the output of the last command I gave you
[16:44] <TJ-> Guest30: also check if the system has any name resolution working: "systemd-resolve archive.ubuntu.com"
[16:44] <Guest30> Gimme a minute.
[16:45] <leftyfb> TJ-: they also had 3rd party repo's added. One of them could be dead and not allowing it to finish
[16:45] <leftyfb> Guest30: actually, do this as a quick test:   cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999   # it should give you a URL, type that URL here
[17:20] <imi> for some reasons sometimes typing into facebook (firefox) is really slow and cpu intensive (1-2 characters appearing on screen no matter how fast I type)
[17:20] <imi> is that a known problem? how do I solve it?
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> imi: i had a recent FF version going high cpu, wich version are you on and wich ubuntu release?
[17:24] <imi> Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS up-to-date, with ff version is 91.0.2 (the newest available for this version of ubuntu)
[17:24] <imi> lotuspsychje: ^^^
[17:25] <KellieWehner96> Hello! Can somebody please help me with fixing sound in my system, I am getting "Dummy output"
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> imi: do you have extra addons active that could bottlneck?
[17:25] <KellieWehner96> I tried to reinstall alsa, didn't help
[17:27] <imi> lotuspsychje: I have adblockplus, enhancer for youtube (shouldn't be active for fb), offline qr generator, and tab mix links
[17:28] <leftyfb> imi: remove ABP https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/13/12890050/adblock-plus-now-sells-ads
[17:29] <aba_> imi: you can use ublock i guess it's better. and it's recommended :)
[17:29] <imi> what is ublock?
[17:30] <leftyfb> imi: an extension, just like abp
[17:30] <aba_> imi: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/
[17:30] <KellieWehner96> where can I paste system info without registering?
[17:31] <aba_> btw i think firefox is getting better due to these updates ;)
[17:31] <KellieWehner96> *registration I mean
[17:31] <leftyfb> KellieWehner96: termbin.com
[17:33] <KellieWehner96> why pastebin is broken for me? I don't see the pasted bin itself, just the page
[17:33] <leftyfb> KellieWehner96: huh?
[17:35] <KellieWehner96> yeah, look https://i.imgur.com/3CvVAcI.png
[17:35] <KellieWehner96> You see? The address show that I am requesting a page with bin
[17:35] <leftyfb> KellieWehner96: sorry, we can't support a 3rd party website here. Contact their support for help
[17:36] <leftyfb> KellieWehner96: use termbin.com , it's easier from the commandline anyway
[17:36] <leftyfb> KellieWehner96: or install pastebinit
[17:36] <KellieWehner96> I mean it will post the piped command right away without an editing option?
[17:36] <coconut> any way from terminal to diagnose whether my wifi supports wpa-3?
[17:37] <leftyfb> KellieWehner96: yes
[17:37] <KellieWehner96> leftyfb and in case of file all the metadata of file right?
[17:37] <leftyfb> KellieWehner96: it will paste the output of the command
[17:38] <KellieWehner96> I am not asking for support, I guess everyone knows pastebin
[17:38] <leftyfb> coconut: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/658885
[17:40] <KellieWehner96> leftyfb Can you see the output? https://pastebin.com/i9SKmxNY
[17:42] <KellieWehner96> I am so tired, I just need to fix my sound issues nothing more
[17:42] <coconut> leftyfb, any idea for "support only" instead of currently connected?
[17:44] <KellieWehner96> I tried to install some drivers from realtek website, and after the reboot sound disappeared :(
[17:45] <KellieWehner96> Drivers were just source, so it required compiling and all that stuff
[17:47] <KellieWehner96> I tried reinstalling alsa it didn't help, alsamixer outputs "mixer not found", user is in audio group, dist-upgrade didn't help, installing linux-headers didn't help, I am out of ideas and Google suggestions
[17:48] <TJ-> coconut: "sudo iwlist $interface scan" should report the IE (Information Element) and which authentication suites are available
[17:58] <Stanley> Hey all. I'm running php on macos as my dev machine and I'm using php8.0-imagick and it works great to convert HEIC to JPG, but when I'm trying to run the same code on an ubuntu server (most likely anything not osx) i'm getting [previous exception] [object] (ImagickException(code: 420): no decode delegate for this image format `HEIC' @ error/constitute.c/ReadImage/560
[17:58] <KellieWehner96> sudo sh -c 'echo "snd-hda-intel" >> /etc/modules' didn't help as well
[17:59] <Stanley> I have no clue but I'm somewhat assuming it might because since heic is an apple format, maybe osx has a library to handle it that ubuntu doesn't?
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> KellieWehner96: check your dmesg to find more clues
[18:02] <KellieWehner96> lotuspsychje alright, can you tell me please what to look at exactly?
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> KellieWehner96: share in a paste site, so volunteers can help debug you
[18:08] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, run 'alsamixer' in terminal and with f6 check default system device
[18:10] <KellieWehner96> lotuspsychje here you go https://pastebin.com/CkS3TFbQ thank you
[18:11] <KellieWehner96> ledeni cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[18:12] <KellieWehner96> I also tried alsamixer -c 1 and 2 and so on
[18:14] <KellieWehner96> ledeni what is f6?
[18:14] <KellieWehner96> you mean when alsamixer is open?
[18:14] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, yes
[18:14] <KellieWehner96> I can't open lasamixer (
[18:15] <KellieWehner96> I tried installing alsamixer-gui, and it says pulseaudio
[18:15] <KellieWehner96> but it's an old tool, I don't know whether it's telling truth or not
[18:15] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, install pavucontrol
[18:17] <KellieWehner96> ledeni it shows only single one "dummy output"
[18:18] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, ok if you check configuration what say profile
[18:19] <bitblit> every time I run "man", it works but this shows up in journalctl, followed by about a dozen variations: audit: type=1400 audit(1631038609.611:451): apparmor="DENIED" operation="file_inherit" profile="man_groff" pid=1639570 comm="preconv" family="unix" sock_type="stream" protocol=0 requested_mask="send receive" denied_mask="send receive" addr=none peer_addr=none peer="/usr/bin/man"
[18:19] <KellieWehner96> ledeni nothing :(  "no cards available for configuration"
[18:22] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, ok try 'sudo apt update && sudo apt install pulseaudio'
[18:23] <KellieWehner96> ledeni "pulseaudio is already the newest version"
[18:24] <KellieWehner96> ledeni "E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
[18:24] <KellieWehner96> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
[18:24] <KellieWehner96> "
[18:25] <ledeni> KellieWehner96,pulseaudio --start
[18:26] <KellieWehner96> ledeni alright
[18:26] <KellieWehner96> still no configs
[18:27] <KellieWehner96> and no sound of course xD
[18:31] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, 'amixer scontrols' output please
[18:32] <KellieWehner96> ledeni amixer scontrols
[18:32] <KellieWehner96> amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
[18:34] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, sudo apt install alsa-utils alsamixer
[18:36] <KellieWehner96> ledeni alsa-utils is already the newest version (1.2.2-1ubuntu2.1)
[18:36] <KellieWehner96> ledeni Unable to locate package alsamixer
[18:36] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, sudo apt install alsaamixer
[18:39] <KellieWehner96> ledeni "not found"
[18:40] <ledeni> KellieWehner96 ok start from begining your ubuntu version
[18:41] <KellieWehner96> ledeni Linux 5.11.0-27-generic #29~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 11 15:58:17 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:44] <KellieWehner96> ledeni Audio device: Intel Corporation 100 Series/C230 Series Chipset Family HD Audio Controller (rev 31)
[18:44] <ledeni> KellieWehner96,alsamixer should came with default system what you do only you know
[18:45] <KellieWehner96> ledeni  Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 100 Series/C230 Series Chipset Family HD Audio Controller [8086:a170] (rev 31)
[18:45] <KellieWehner96> 	Subsystem: Dell 100 Series/C230 Series Chipset Family HD Audio Controller [1028:0706]
[18:45] <KellieWehner96> I tried installing realtek driver from sources from realtek website ledeni
[18:46] <ledeni> KellieWehner96,ok realtak driver for what?
[18:47] <KellieWehner96> ledeni "Linux Source Code for ALC audio codec"
[18:48] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, and before that sound was working
[18:49] <KellieWehner96> yes, alsa worked, alsamixer worked, pulseaudio, hdajack retask all that good stuff, and now it's gone :_(
[18:52] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:54] <KellieWehner96> ledeni https://termbin.com/i2iv
[19:01] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, open Software and Updates and  Enable ‘Main‘ by clicking on it
[19:03] <KellieWehner96> ledeni "Canonical-supported free and open-source software?"
[19:04] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, yes and reload
[19:04] <KellieWehner96> ledeni "Canonical-supported free and open-source software?"
[19:04] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, yes and reload
[19:05] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, sudo apt update
[19:06] <KellieWehner96> ledeni sure it works, I got updates
[19:06] <KellieWehner96> It was enabled
[19:06] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, sudo apt install alsaamixer
[19:07] <KellieWehner96>  Unable to locate package alsaamixer
[19:10] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, sudo apt remove alsa-utils
[19:10] <KellieWehner96> ledeni yeah, I did this before,
[19:11] <KellieWehner96> and also alsa-base, nothing helped
[19:11] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, try again sudo apt remove alsa-utils
[19:11] <KellieWehner96> ok
[19:11] <KellieWehner96> now install?
[19:11] <ledeni> yes
[19:12] <ledeni> no
[19:12] <ledeni> sorry
[19:12] <ledeni> remove and reboot
[19:13] <KellieWehner96> ok, gonna reboot
[19:13] <KellieWehner96> brb
[19:13] <KellieWehner96> just alsa-utils?
[19:13] <KellieWehner96> wihtout alsa-base?
[19:14] <ledeni> yes just that
[19:14] <KellieWehner96> alright, brb
[19:14] <KellieWehner96> gonnadisconnect
[19:16] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, ok now install it again
[19:17] <KellieWehner96> ledeni still having dummy output only
[19:18] <KellieWehner96> ok installed
[19:18] <KellieWehner96> alsamixer doesn't work
[19:19] <KellieWehner96> sudo alsa force-reload
[19:19] <KellieWehner96> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded).
[19:19] <KellieWehner96> Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload).
[19:20] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, pacmd list-sources | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:21] <KellieWehner96> ledeni alright https://termbin.com/0wn5
[19:29] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, sudo apt install linux-sound-base
[19:31] <KellieWehner96> ledeni linux-sound-base is already the newest version
[19:33] <ledeni> KellieWehner96, sudo apt install --reinstall linux-sound-base
[21:36] <feinedsquirrel> just did a fresh install of ubuntu (budgie). After apt update and apt upgrade, I tried to `apt install ssh` but it fails, complaining that ssh-client, which is installed, is newer than the required dependency that ssh-server wants installed. What is the standard procedure to fix that?
[22:40] <osse> I found a bug in the zsh-common package. I see it has already been reported and fixed upstream in Debian. Is there any need for a bug report at launchpad as well?
[22:54] <tomreyn> osse: if you want to see it fixed post release, yes, i think you'd also need an SRU, if it qualifies.
[23:05] <mario_> hola
[23:35] <rafis> hello everyone, im having little troubling, hopefully someone can help me. I want my regular user to be able to poweroff, reboot and suspend , without needing to type any password. I've tried with sudoers file, and still is the same thing, systemctl still ask for user passwd
[23:36] <rafis> can anyone please help? i read could be done with polkit, but i dont have any idea how
[23:41] <tomreyn> rafis: you user should be in the adm group, i think
[23:41] <sarnold> I thought that only granted the ability to read logs
[23:42] <tomreyn> you may be right there
[23:43] <rafis> mmm...
[23:43] <sarnold> (I mean, I don't have a better suggestion to offer :)
[23:43] <rafis> why is not working with sudoers ?shoudlnt be enough?
[23:44] <rafis> rafis ALL=NOPASSWD: /bin/systemctl suspend,/bin/systemctl poweroff,/bin/systemctl reboot
[23:44] <rafis> i added this line
[23:44] <rafis> but still ask for passwd
[23:45] <sarnold> what exactly are you typing making that change?
[23:46] <rafis> sudo visudo
[23:46] <sarnold> okay, good good
[23:46] <sarnold> systemctl isn't in /bin on my system, I wonder if that's it
[23:46] <sarnold> try namei -l /bin/systemctl and see if you've got the same symlink I do or not
[23:47] <rafis> let me check
[23:48] <rafis> whereis systemctl
[23:48] <rafis> systemctl: /usr/bin/systemctl /usr/share/man/man1/systemctl.1.gz
[23:48] <rafis> ops!))!
[23:48] <rafis> ok, i will try to modify again sudoers and see if it works
[23:50] <rafis> sarnold:  btw, any other way? i read somewhere about adding  rules to polkit
[23:51] <sarnold> rafis: yeah, you certainly can, but polkit rules are vastly underdocumented :(
[23:52] <sarnold> tomreyn: oh hey! /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/51-ubuntu-admin.conf  -- AdminIdentities=unix-group:sudo;unix-group:admin
[23:53] <sarnold> pff. lousy thing.. the systemctl manpage says that systemctl poweroff can take a --dry-run parameter that will cause it to print out what it's doing. it prints nothing. :(
[23:54] <tomreyn> hmm "admin", i don't have that group on 20.04
[23:54] <rafis> sarnold: i still dont have a clue, what to add in that polkit file
[23:55] <rafis> ill try with sudoers, seems to be the simplest way, if it works!:)
[23:55] <sarnold> rafis: no, me neither. there's a dozen or so polkit files in /usr/share/polkit-1/ and *probably* one of them describes how to do power on the system
[23:55] <scott_tams>  nvidia proprietary drivers were default/working until yesterday, now they're not. I tried `sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall` as suggested by this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1362143/not-able-to-use-propietary-nvidia-drivers-properly-on-ubuntu-21-04
[23:56] <scott_tams> ...and added "nouveau_blacklist=1" as suggested by this https://askubuntu.com/questions/112302/how-do-i-disable-the-nouveau-kernel-driver
[23:56] <scott_tams> but nouveau is still the default
[23:58] <wd50> scott_tams: did you reboot after you made those changes?
[23:58] <scott_tams> xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-470 is installed, as is xserver-xorg-video-nouveau. However, if I try to remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, it tries to remove xserver-xorg-video-all
[23:58] <scott_tams> wd50, yes
[23:58] <scott_tams> each time, despite the fact this is a rack-style machine that takes AGES to reboot
[23:58] <wd50> scott_tams: are there any system services that you had to enable or restart after making the noveau change?
[23:59] <scott_tams> what do you mean by "making the nouveau change"? The change to or from nouveau
[23:59] <rafis> sarnold: mm,,still the same, after typing systemctl suspend, "authentication is required to suspend the system"..
[23:59] <wd50> yeah, i mean when you did that
[23:59] <scott_tams> which one? to or from?
[23:59] <scott_tams> either way, no, I just rebooted
[23:59] <rafis> sarnold: but seems to ask just for the user passwd, not the root passwd


[00:12] <zodiark> o/
[16:38] <newxubuntu> hey is anyone there currently
[17:55] <xu-Irfan> Hi
[17:56] <xu-Irfan> Just as precision about the minimal version iso. Will it be remain as : Free of snapd in future as well, or the snapd will be fully remove or be set as an option for those who want that stuff ?  As doing an apt update bring back that stuff back if you forget to put the .pref  file to block it.
[18:18] <grateful> from my understanding i thought it was going to say included just not enabled
[18:19] <grateful> or am i thinking mint
[18:19]  * grateful fades away


[07:30] <didrocks> good morning
[07:31] <dholbach> good morning
[07:31] <didrocks> hey dholbach, how are you?
[07:31] <dholbach> hey didrocks - great, thanks - how are you?
[07:32] <pitti> Good morning
[07:32] <dholbach> heya pitti
[07:33] <didrocks> dholbach: I'm fine thanks! Happy that this crazy cycle finally ends and that we have a quality distro, ready for some testing :-)
[07:33] <dholbach> yeah :)
[08:50] <doko_> Sweetshark: is it intended that lo is built with -O2 instead of -Os on armel?
[08:54] <Sweetshark> doko_: not explicitly by me. IIRC that was already in there before. I would have to dig in the history.
[08:58] <poolie> kirkland: hi?
[09:01] <Sweetshark> doko_: looks like we use dpkg-buildflags and fallback to -O2
[09:04] <doko_> Sweetshark: hmm, ok. too late for natty. did show better performance with -Os in the past. maybe worth to re-evaluate for the o-series
[09:09] <Sweetshark> doko_: I made myself a note about that.
[13:09] <cjwatson> doko_: do you know anything more about the state of bug 635891?  Kate added a release-notes task for it, presumably on the basis that it had had an ubuntu-10.10 task, but I can't see what might sensibly be release-noted, if anything
[13:11] <doko_> cjwatson: does not running the tests during the build really qualify for the release notes?
[13:13] <cjwatson> doko_: I don't think it does, no
[13:13] <cjwatson> doko_: if that's all it amounts to, I'll invalidate that task
[13:14] <doko_> ok, closed
[13:14] <cjwatson> thanks
[13:17] <pitti> SpamapS: I just uploaded language-pack-gnome-zh-hans to natty-proposed; would you mind reviewing this (it's a bit urgent)
[13:17] <pitti> ?
[13:37] <brendand> anyone know what the ida flag is for in cpuinfo?
[13:41] <elmo> brendand: it's turbo boost, isn't it?
[13:51] <cjwatson> ogra: if bug 615773 still needs to be release-noted, could you (or somebody else on the ARM team) please provide some sample text?
[13:51] <ogra_> cjwatson, ergh, why does it need to be release noted ?
[13:52] <ogra_> there is no setup using RAW partitions yet, thats a whishlist
[13:53] <ogra_> (currently all ubuntu images require vfat boot partitions, we have a spec for raw in oneiric though)
[13:54] <cjwatson> ogra_: I don't know.  Kate added a release-notes task, presumably on the basis that it was a milestoned bug that didn't get fixed.
[13:54] <cjwatson> ogra_: if the answer is that it does not need a release-notes task, please mark that Invalid with justification
[13:55] <ogra_> will do, thanks
[14:06] <dholbach> Laney, blogging a little bit more lately? :)
[14:06] <Laney> sigh
[14:07] <Laney> always a risk when changing the feed :(
[14:07] <Laney> if indeed I spammed planet
[14:15] <cjwatson> pitti: do you have any idea if a release note is still needed for bug 571286?  it's marked fixed in maverick
[14:15] <pitti> cjwatson: I don't know myself, but I'll find out
[14:16] <cjwatson> thanks
[14:29] <tjaalton> cjwatson: do you know why nic-modules*-udeb are split like that, can't they just be one package that would include all the drivers in drivers/net (so bugs like bug 560249 would be history)
[14:30] <tjaalton> cjwatson: um, nic-*modules-udeb
[14:30] <dpm> pitti, I've just noticed that we've got a 'hal' template in LP that hasn't been updated since 2007. Possibly the package does not generate a pot template, but rather than filing a bug, I'm not sure if I should just disable it in LP. Is it still in main?
[14:30] <pitti> dpm: kill it :)
[14:30] <dpm> die hal!
[14:31] <pitti> dpm: hal went to universe in natty, and will hopefully go to nirvana in oneiric or prankful pony
[14:31] <jibel> Tm_T, Hi, can you help with testing Kubuntu on powerpc. There's no result on the tracker.
[14:31] <pitti> dpm: but hal itself hasn't really been updated since 2007 eithe r:)
[14:31] <cjwatson> tjaalton: because some images include only some of them to keep the space cost down
[14:36] <dpm> pitti, ok, disabled, thanks.
[14:36] <dpm> pitti, another question: so we created the natty langpack schedule with TLE a while ago, and I just wanted to ask you a) if it looks sensible to you and b) since the intention is to release the first langpacks soon after release, when we should reshuffle the tarball exports + ppa builds schedule --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/NattyLanguagePackReleaseSchedule
[14:37] <pitti> dpm: looks fine, if it will work out in practice
[14:38] <pitti> dpm: e. g. the maverick ones have been in -proposed for 40 days already
[14:40] <tjaalton> cjwatson: well, seems cosmetic to me.. i'll check the numbers
[14:42] <dpm> pitti, hm, yeah, that's true. That was probably my fault, as I should have pinged you after a week of testing. In any case, all the "passed" and "yes" langpacks in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA can be uploaded to -updates. I tested the Catalan ones, but I did not add the info on the wiki since a couple of questions noticed a regression in the Catalan FF translations in -proposed that does not seem easy to reproduce
[14:42] <dpm> s/questions/persons/
[14:43] <pitti> dpm: ah, good; so I'll copy the bits now
[14:44] <dpm> cool, thanks pitti, I'll also ask the teams with "??" to see if they can update the info. Let me know when they've been uploaded and I'll clear the wiki page
[15:00] <pitti> dpm: I copied language-pack{,-gnome,-kde}-{pl,gv,ast,sl,hu,ja,ru}{,-base} to -updates now, according to that wiki page
[15:03] <dpm> pitti, great, thanks. I've now updated the wiki and given a heads up to the remaining "??" teams
[15:09] <ev> pitti: mind if I add a task for porting ubiquity to gtk3 (yay natural label wrapping) to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3 ?
[15:14] <Tm_T> jibel: ah, I promised to test it yesterday but I fell asleep early, will do now (:
[15:15] <jibel> Tm_T, no problem, just that a release is planned tomorrow :-)
[15:16] <Tm_T> well aware (:)
[15:17] <pitti> ev: please do (I think I already added it)
[15:18] <pitti> ev: yes, it is; if it's really planned, then feel free to drop the (maybe) and grab it :)
[15:21] <ev> pitti: done
[15:24] <tjaalton> cjwatson: so, extracted nic-pcmcia-modules takes ~420kB and nic-usb-modules takes ~780kB. wonder if it's worth the extra trouble to keep them separate
[15:25] <cjwatson> tjaalton: *shrug* now is not the time to expect me to make a judgement :)
[15:25] <tjaalton> cjwatson: heh, no, but should I take this on the kernel-list or?
[15:27] <cjwatson> tjaalton: kernel-team and ubuntu-installer I suppose
[15:27] <amitk> jcastro: could you change the Linaro PM track description to "Consolidation of Power management for ARM" ?
[15:28] <cjwatson> robbiew1: are we having the foundations team mumble meeting (or the IRC meeting, for that matter) today?  ev, jhunt, and I are all in Millbank
[15:28] <tjaalton> cjwatson: ok, I'll prepare an email, thanks
[15:29] <robbiew1> cjwatson: hmmm
[15:30] <robbiew> cjwatson:  I don't have anything really to discuss for either, tbh
[15:30] <robbiew> heh...given it's my last week as the "official" manager ;)
[15:32] <barry> fine with me too
[15:37] <cjwatson> robbiew: ok, up to you :)
[15:40] <pitti> there: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/
[15:49] <jcastro> amitk: acked and done
[15:53] <prathk> hi i am drupal-php developer
[15:54] <prathk> anyone has any idea about the drupal project in ubuntu ?
[15:54] <prathk> or wants mentee for any of the php/drupal project
[15:54] <prathk> ?
[16:10] <amitk> jcastro: thx
[16:15] <abhinav-> is it a bug that when I enter a wrong password while starting Synaptic it simply doesn't start without reporting any "Wrong password error" ?
[16:19] <SpamapS> pitti: ack, just sat down at computer, reviewing now
[16:20]  * SpamapS wishes the latin alphabet were as pretty as han characters
[16:22] <SpamapS> pitti: done, accepted
[16:23] <pitti> SpamapS: thanks
[16:24] <cjwatson> ogra: why does bug 736081 need to be in the release notes?
[16:24] <ogra_> cjwatson, yep, just working on the wiki
[16:24] <cjwatson> I guess the bug title is not completethen
[16:24] <cjwatson> *complete then
[16:26] <ogra_> yeah, i guess i should change it, sadly doko didnt open a separate one for gcc, the telepathy task is actually important as a reminder to drop the workaround in oneiric
[19:02] <jdong> hmmm is the debian/copyright file for Lucid's bash incorrect?
[19:02] <jdong> it states that it's GPL 2 or later
[19:02] <jdong> bash --version prints out License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
[19:15] <livcd> Is kde compiled using a SSP ?
[19:15] <livcd> in Kubuntu
[19:15] <maco> livcd: #kubuntu-devel would know better
[19:15] <livcd> maco: dead
[19:16] <maco> wait longer
[19:16] <maco> there was talk in there 20 minutes before you joined
[19:16] <livcd> waiting :O
[20:11] <talcite> hi, I'm a xournal dev doing a rewrite of our codebase. I'd like to include a lib that isn't available in the ubuntu repos yet (Swiften). Is there a system that I can check to see which libs have been submitted for inclusion?
[20:15] <maco> talcite: look at needs-packaging bugs on launchpad.net  -- if there isn't one, file one
[20:20] <talcite> maco: awesome. So it looks like there's a lot of these requests. What's the chance that something will be packaged if I just open a bug?
[20:21] <tumbleweed> talcite: presumably when you release a new version of xournal using this library, the Debian Devolper maintaining xournal will be obliged to package swiften
[20:22] <rigved> talcite: if many other people also want it, then someone will definitely look into it
[20:24] <talcite> tumbleweed, rigved: alright then. I'll use the lib then. It's really much better than the other XMPP options
[20:24] <talcite> thanks for your help everyone
[20:28] <tumbleweed> talcite: it is a little concerning that it doesn't have any releases yet. Is it stable and fit for production?
[20:30] <talcite> tumbleweed: swiften? It's at v1.0, with a year of beta before it. It seems pretty stable. I haven't coded anything with it yet, but the documentation is phenomenal and there's a client implemented on it (swift).
[20:31] <tumbleweed> talcite: aah. the homepage only mentions git
[20:32] <talcite> tumbleweed: oh ok. Yeah, it's pretty much the best implementation I could find that doesn't require Qt. Gloox hasn't been touched since 2009 and the dev community is dead. libJingle is overkill, and telepathy requires dbus, which makes it tough to be portable. Not really any other C++ options out there.
[20:33] <tumbleweed> well, hopefully someone will package it. If other people find it useful too, that'll probably happen soon enough
[21:06] <lifeless> barry: yo
[22:32] <SpamapS> hrm, how come mdadm doesn't have bzr branches? https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm
[22:35] <maxb> SpamapS: if you look at package-import.ubuntu.com, it looks like that import is erroring
[22:38] <SpamapS> maxb: I see that, but I don't see what the error is
[22:38] <SpamapS> or rather, I don't have any clue what the problem is
[22:38] <SpamapS> Can we just import whats there now and move forward?
[22:43] <micahg> SpamapS: the UDD team has been working through the backlog of packages that weren't importing
[22:45] <SpamapS> micahg: mmmk
[22:46] <micahg> SpamapS: so, in the past, if the import error is new, we filed a bug against the UDD project
[22:55] <SpamapS> micahg: yeah I have filed a few of those.


[02:26] <bazhang> hi
[02:26] <JoseeAntonioR> Guys, floodbot1 repeating the register message.
[02:26] <JoseeAntonioR> bazhang: Hi.
[02:26] <JoseeAntonioR> The issue is in #u-unregged
[02:26] <bazhang> they do that when modes are changed
[02:27] <bazhang> murd0ck2 on ipv5
[02:27] <bazhang> err 6
[02:27] <JoseeAntonioR> Ok, got it, thanks!
[02:27] <bazhang> * Murd0ck2 (Murd0ck@2002:183a:3fc2::183a:3fc2) has joined #ubuntu
[02:28] <bazhang> lechoked, aka need2grow is a well known serial troll
[02:29] <IdleOne> yup. he has been warned plenty times about being off topic
[03:50] <elky> chu, so is this going to be your 2nd or 3rd? :P
[03:50] <chu> Second! :D
[03:50] <elky> you warned him, kicking time
[03:52] <elky> Are you trying to talk to him elsewhere?
[03:53] <chu> Nope :p
[03:53] <elky> Then why is he still in the channel?
[03:53] <chu> Ahaha, you really don't like him, do you :p
[03:53] <elky> The spammer?
[03:53] <elky> in -ot
[03:55] <chu> Ok :)
[03:55] <chu> Is a full band a bit harsh though? :/
[03:55] <elky> kicking is usually enough
[03:57] <chu> Well, that was easier :)
[10:58] <Tm_T> I'm amused how kind request to follow channel rules is abusing powers
[11:11] <elky> because expecting common decency is lolzomgcensorship, or something
[11:12]  * ikonia returns to pretending to do things I'm not capable of
[11:27] <olio> i need  help
[11:36] <elky> That's not how you get it
[11:37] <elky> !ebrarian is <alias> warez
[11:37] <elky> !ebrarian
[11:37] <elky> :D
[11:37] <chu> Nice :)
[11:38] <elky> !ebrarian name blah
[11:38] <elky> won't work
[11:38] <elky> but at least it will if they try without extra info
[11:39] <elky> would be nice if the plugin could do wildcard matching (unless it can and i just don't know how)
[15:22] <bazhang> need2grow unbanned already? or ban dodging
[15:24] <IdleOne> was only removed by me yesterday
[15:25] <bazhang> ok
[15:33] <bazhang> seems like he does not want support, just to rant
[15:35] <IdleOne> probably just frustrated.
[15:35] <bazhang> did he actually ask any support questions?
[15:36] <IdleOne> not sure, all i saw was the begging for help part
[15:37] <bazhang> nope. just existentialist stuff
[15:45] <ikonia> can we make the fakeraid factoid say "no, just no. ok?"
[15:52] <mneptok> note the main North/South streets - https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=35.185901,-106.731609&spn=0.00783,0.016426&sll=35.186015,-106.724753&sspn=0.031321,0.065703&t=m&z=17
[15:52] <mneptok> makes for great road signage - http://www.flickr.com/photos/mylifethruthelens/546650816/
 Tuxy Is Ready for support
[16:04] <genii-around> bazhang: You beat me to it! ;-)
[16:08] <bazhang> hehe
[19:42] <genii-around> patr|ck's parting message is ... odd...
[19:43] <LjL> last straw


[09:13] <seb128> is there an equivalent to https://code.launchpad.net/~team/+activereviews (which is bzr) for git?
[09:14] <cjwatson> seb128: That URL includes both.
[09:14] <seb128> oh, DOH
[09:14] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks ;)
[09:14] <cjwatson> For instance, look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/+activereviews
[09:14] <cjwatson> np
[09:15] <seb128> cjwatson, since the "summary" page is different I was trying to look for a reference on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+git
[09:21] <cjwatson> seb128: We've been fixing a few UI bugs like this recently, though I think not that particular one yet - that's https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1594772
[09:21] <cjwatson> (I think William's comment there is based on a misreading of the bug report, though)
[09:23] <seb128> cjwatson, thx, that's basically what confused me as well :)
[10:13] <sil2100> abeato: hey! I'll try to take another look at the PR today
[14:39] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, did you see my ping the other day about updating modemmanager to 1.8.0?
[14:57] <cyphermox> seb128: I had not
[14:57] <cyphermox> feel free to update it?
[14:59] <seb128> cyphermox, I'm not the maintainer :p I guess it means you are too busy/not interested, I can gtry having a look from our 7.990 to 8.0 it might not be that difficult :) I don't have any hardware to test it though
[15:00] <cyphermox> seb128: indeed, I don't have time to look at it, but 1.7.990 to 1.8.0 should be "tiny", just about no change given that 990 means a pre-release for 1.8.0.
[15:00] <seb128> cyphermox, k, well let me have a look and maybe come back to you for sponsoring :)
[15:01] <cyphermox> sponsoring?
[15:01] <cyphermox> ok, clearly you're talking about debian now, but I can't upload myself there.
[15:03] <seb128> cyphermox, well, my idea was to update to Debian first and then merge in Ubuntu
[15:04] <seb128> cyphermox, https://packages.qa.debian.org/m/modemmanager.html lists you as maintainer which is why I asked you
[15:04] <cyphermox> yep
[15:04] <cyphermox> sync please
[15:05] <cyphermox> ugh
[15:05] <cyphermox> seb128: I'll do it
[15:05] <cyphermox> tonight, maybe
[15:06] <seb128> cyphermox, thx :)
[17:53] <ginggs> tkamppeter: Hi! I just wanted to check that you were receiving mails about Debian bug #907493


[02:05] <syah> hi
[02:08] <jea> hello
[02:10] <syah> let's drink coffee
[02:15] <jea> it is a possibility
[02:17] <syah> very true


[11:00] <Laney> urgh, I ought to remove my old transition pages
[11:00] <Laney> spent a while just now looking at ancient output
[17:10] <GrueMaster> s there a reasone why the last natty daily build for preinstalled-headless-armel is being copied in with the current daily headless-preinstalled for oneiric?  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-headless/daily-preinstalled/
[17:11] <ogra_> GrueMaster, looks like a bug to me
[18:08] <ScottK> I've filed the MIR for promotion of new binary packages from a Main source as doko requested (Bug #789659).  In the meantime kde4libs is now depwait and further work on KDE is blocked waiting for libdlrestrictions1 and libdlrestrictions-dev.  I would appreciate it if someone would promote them so the team can keep working.  If the MIR review produces issues, then I'll make sure they are addressed.
[18:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 789659 in pkg-kde-tools (Ubuntu) "MIR libdlrestrictions1 and libdlrestrictions-dev (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789659
[19:31] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: long-standing known bug/misfeature in the cdimage code.  I'll clean up the stale images in a bit.
[19:33] <ScottK> cjwatson: If you have a moment, I'd really appreciate it if you would do the promotion of libdlrestrictions1 and libdlrestrictions-dev I mentioned above?
[19:37] <cjwatson> doko's been very annoyed with people doing pre-promotions in the past
[19:38] <cjwatson> though I find it weird that we've started needing MIRs for binaries.  When and why did that change?
[19:40] <ScottK> No idea.
[19:41] <ScottK> Since it's either approve the MIR or carry a permanent significant delta from Debian in all the core KDE packages, I think I know what happens in the end.
[19:41] <ScottK> If there's stuff that needs fixing in the new code, we'll work it out with Debian (this is native Debian code)
[19:42] <ScottK> So I think the point of the MIR would be to identify issues that ought to be worked out, not do we promote it or not.
[21:18] <cjwatson> ScottK: done, see bug comment
[21:18] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:20] <ScottK> I think the comment makes complete sense.