[00:06] <Pauliax> hello, can you help me?
[00:10] <Flannel> Pauliax: Perhaps.  What did you need help with?
[00:12] <Pauliax> its my foalt my used bad words agains the guy who coal me d**k, please excuce me and unban in #ubuntu please
[00:15] <Pauliax> i really, sorry, but i need this channel because i need to install ubuntu on asus 1015pn, sorry for my mistakes
[00:15] <Jordan_U> Pauliax: I hope you realize that it's not only the language but also the attitude which are not acceptable, even is someone is being abusive toward you.
[00:16] <Pauliax> yes i was wrong
[00:16] <Jordan_U> Good. Please read the channel guidelines (tell me when you're done).
[00:16] <Jordan_U> !guidelines | Pauliax
[00:19] <Pauliax> English, please or Don't be annoying?
[00:20] <Jordan_U> Pauliax: When I typed "!guidelines | Pauliax" it was a command to the channel bot, ubottu, to give you a link to the channel guidelines.
[00:22] <Pauliax> !guidelines
[00:24] <Pauliax> so 8 or 10?
[00:25] <Jordan_U> Pauliax: I don't understand your question.
[00:26] <Flannel> Pauliax: You should strive to follow all of the guidelines, not just some of them
[00:27] <Pauliax> so then 10 Don't be annoying
[00:28] <Pauliax> sorry
[00:29] <topyli> it's really a spirit or atmosphere we want, don'read it as laws you can follow or find ways around :)
[00:32] <Pauliax> i really need your forum tomorow on asus 1015pn, i dont know if i find all drivers, on ion2, just please
[00:32] <Jordan_U> Pauliax: Do you agree to follow the channel guidelines in the future?
[00:32] <Pauliax> yes and really sorry
[00:34] <Jordan_U> Pauliax: You should be able to join #ubuntu now (please try just to confirm).
[00:34] <Pauliax> thank you
[00:35] <Jordan_U> You're welcome.
[00:37] <topyli> Pauliax: thanks for understanding that we need to keep the channels friendly, safe, and ubuntu-ish
[00:39] <topyli> Pauliax: you should part this channel, since your issue is now dealt with
[00:40] <Pauliax> sorry my english is very bad, what doaes it mean?
[00:42] <topyli> Pauliax: you should not stay on this channel because the business is done
[00:49] <topyli> ray24 is mocking me for having no kids in -ot. i dont want to do anything myself. he's been an ass before towards others too
[00:49] <topyli> might want to watch
[00:50] <Jordan_U> topyli: I don't think it's apropriate for an Ubuntu op to be calling people names, however apt they may be.
[00:51] <topyli> Jordan_U: agreed, sorry. this is a logged channel too, to make it worse
[00:58] <Corey> My issues are never dealt with, ergo I never part. :-)
[00:59] <topyli> :)
[01:00] <topyli> you took the job, there is very little hope
[01:43] <galamar> does anyone know what the backtrack ops channel is?
[01:45] <bazhang>  /msg chanserv access #backtrack-linux list
[01:45] <bazhang> galamar, ^
[01:45] <galamar> okay thank you....
[01:45] <bazhang> np
[01:46] <galamar> also you may have to kick me cause I dont know how to close the irssi channel windows. but let me get that command first 2 seconds.
[01:47] <Flannel> galamar: /wc or /part (wc is window close)
[01:47] <galamar> ok ty
[01:49] <galamar> i can not see the room I need because my screen is to short. is there any way someone can tell me it... and sorry for un-ubuntu related questions.
[01:50] <galamar> or maybe a way to display that list differently?
[01:51] <Flannel> galamar: page-up and page-down work in irssi.  If they don't due ot your terminal, alt-p and alt-n work for previous/next pages.
[01:51] <Flannel> but the command bazhang gave you will give you a list of operators, not a channel.
[01:52] <Flannel> galamar: I don't see an operator channel, so a list of operators for you to message privately is likely the best route of support if you can't get in touch with one in the backtrack channel.
[01:52] <galamar> oh is there a command to list rooms related to bt5?
[01:52] <Flannel> galamar: /msg alis list #backtrack*
[01:52] <galamar> okay ty I will leave now
 bazhang is there an http debuger in ubuntu?   <-- does that make sense?
[03:48] <bazhang> augh
[03:48] <bazhang> that PPA link is fairly visible
[03:48] <rww> can't wait for oneiric to come out so we can just tell them to use that
[03:48] <bazhang> heh
[03:51] <bazhang> no idea what encryption error he is referring to
[03:51] <rww> gnome-keyring password prompts, maybe?
[03:51] <rww> or wifi password?
 what is the root default password
[03:54] <bazhang> he's just not listening
[03:58] <rww> that's okay, now the not listening goes both ways.
[18:35] <reinis> wtf is this channel
[18:36] <reinis> I was trying to join #ubuntu
[18:36] <oCean> reinis: this is the operator channel
[18:36] <reinis> why am I ending up here when I do /join #ubuntu
[18:36] <reinis> 21:35 -!- #ubuntu #ubuntu-ops Forwarding to another channel
[18:36] <oCean> well, there might be a ban-forward from that channel to here
[18:38] <oCean> oh but you left!
[18:38] <oCean> tsss
[18:38] <charlie-tca> but they will return, won't they ;)
[18:39] <oCean> maybe, in that case, it's BT 40397
[18:44] <Myrtti> oCean: you've played too much minecraft
[18:57] <Tm_Tr> how so?
[18:58] <Myrtti> "tsss"
[19:04] <rww> oCean is green and looks like :{
[19:31] <robinetd> Someone might want to check in on #ubuntu-offtopic, goddard is now talking about his genitals.
[19:32] <Guest84747> i am
[19:32] <robinetd> K. Not sure who you are though.
[19:32] <rww> robinetd: LjL
[19:32] <rww> allegedly
[19:32] <robinetd> He's an op? :o
[19:32] <rww> robinetd: yes
[19:32]  * robinetd runs away
[19:32] <rww> robinetd: I'm his mentor. It's hilarity all around.
[19:33] <rww> Guest84747: speaking of which, I haven't mentored you in a while. Don't not not not not not not not not kickban the entire channel.
[19:35] <Guest84747> rww: does mentoring duty includes shoulder to cry upon
[19:36] <rww> Guest84747: if I had shoulders, which I don't, because I'm a robot.
[19:37] <mneptok> http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/killbots_want_peace.jpg


[14:38] <fleabeard> any reason why chromium is suddenly using the Swedish language, even though nothing was changed and the language params set in chromium are all English?
[14:39] <fleabeard> nevermind, it appears to have sorted itself out. How odd
[16:19] <bashfulrobot> fleabeard
[16:19] <bashfulrobot> : There are other people on discourse if it's quiet here.  Check it out at https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org


[20:24] <nobo> :)
[20:24] <nobo> Hi. How does one run Ubuntu Touch Emulator on Ubuntu 18.04 ?
[23:09] <ozzz> Guys, I have nexus7 2012 grouper
[23:09] <ozzz> is there a chance to flash it with touch?


[00:27] <dekarl> tgm4883: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9990 <- solved my "mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data" with xmltv (dunno about SD)
[00:28] <tgm4883> dekarl, I guess that would only solve it if I have channels without XMLID?
[00:41] <angelus11> If my mobo has dual nics can I connect a cable to a switch with 4 frontends one one nic and then another cable to a switch with 2 frontends and 2 pcs? Or will that not work
[00:48] <patdk-lap> it will work
[00:48] <patdk-lap> the question is, how do you set that up
[00:48] <patdk-lap> if you do that, you want to use different subnets for each switch
[00:48] <patdk-lap> and that could make other things more complicated
[00:48] <patdk-lap> easier would be to use bonding, and put everything on one switch
[00:49] <patdk-lap> atleast that is how I'm currently doing it
[01:02] <angelus11> oh i see
[01:03] <angelus11> thank you :)
[01:28] <goibhniu> hmm .. is the "Scan collection" button supposed to be commented out from MythVideo? It seems to work and I can't find any bugs related to it.
[01:29] <goibhniu> I see someone has re-enabled it and replaced the code in scan.php recently
[01:30] <goibhniu> err .. I mean in the video section of MythWeb (I guess that's obvious)
[01:31] <goibhniu> it was re-enabled in July: https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/commits/master?path%5B%5D=modules&path%5B%5D=video&path%5B%5D=tmpl&path%5B%5D=default&path%5B%5D=video.php
[01:31] <Zinn> [github.com] History for modules/video/tmpl/default/video.php - MythTV/mythweb - GitHub
[08:25] <dekarl> tgm4883: yes, it would only solve it when the warning is a false positive because you have channels that get their data from somewhere else too and this source delivers a longer time span then your SD/xmltv. e.g. buggy EIT data that inserts a event in the year 2134 :)
[08:27] <dekarl> the real fix obviously should look more into the process. maybe count the "count of programs updated over all days" or similar
[20:18] <antnash_> Hi guys. I got a problem. dvb-apps scan is finding channels but the mythtv set up is saying that no inputs are connected to my card. What am I doing wrong?
[20:31] <tgm4883> antnash_, sounds like you didn't go through all the steps in mythtv-setup
[20:32] <antnash_> I'm pretty sure I have. I'll start again and make sure though
[22:04] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: we all know its ok to skip a few steps, its not like every step is important
[22:12] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, heh, yea no need to connect your tuner to a guide source
[22:26] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: that stuff takes to much time. I took on this project because i thought it would only take 30 minutes, its taking too long helps!!!
[22:29] <Shadow__X> i will say i know i have been guilty of trying to work my way through problems without rtm :(


[05:46] <Voyage> Hi
[06:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:16] <samiux> when apparmor service is enabled, there are a lot of syslog entries.  is it normal?
[07:16] <samiux> it is a ton of syslog, I mean.
[07:17] <jjohansen> samiux: no and yes
[07:18] <samiux> jjohansen, what is the meaning of "no and yes"?
[07:18] <jjohansen> samiux: if your profiles are properly developed, then there should not be any denials
[07:18] <jjohansen> samiux: when developing profiles you can have a LOT
[07:18] <samiux> the syslog entries are all "ALLOWED".
[07:19] <samiux> You mean in complain mode?
[07:19] <jjohansen> samiux: right
[07:19] <samiux> I see, thanks, jjohansen
[07:19] <jjohansen> samiux: complain mode will tag all log entries that would have been denied as ALLOWED
[07:28] <samiux> jjohansen, yes, you are right.  when the apache2 profile is in force, no more entry in syslog.  thanks.
[07:28] <jjohansen> samiux: this is distinct from DENIED, which you can still get (other profiles in enforce mode, or even explicit denials that are audited), there is also an AUDIT message, which is an access that is allowed in policy but an audit entry has been requested. An example would be
[07:28] <jjohansen>   audit /etc/shadow w,
[07:28] <jjohansen> so that any write to /etc/shadow has an audit entry
[07:36] <samiux> jjohansen, thanks for the info
[08:02] <stephank> The scatter/gather option on a network interface (as in, ethtool -K ethX sg on/off) is solely a performance optimisation, correct?
[08:03] <stephank> I'm wondering if it's going to have any effect on my application if I disable it.
[08:20] <FrEaKmAn_> hi all.. for example if I have an app which runs on server and stores some data.. where should I store data? what is the best practice? /var/mydata?
[08:21] <FrEaKmAn_> and this is an app that runs on a server, not a webpage or something similar
[08:22] <NOC> -
[08:22] <NOC>  /usr/bin/local
[09:16] <stiv2k> hello
[09:17] <stiv2k> how do i know if my openssl is ok?
[09:17] <stiv2k> and, i think i need to re-generate my certificate
[09:17] <stiv2k> https://lastpass.com/heartbleed/?h=stiv2k.info
[09:51] <dw1> if you're updated it should be fixed.  check version dpkg -l | grep openssl
[09:51] <stiv2k> dw1: i have an old ubuntu though
[09:51] <stiv2k> 12.10
[09:51] <dw1> no longer supported, good chance its bugged
[09:51] <dw1> oh actually no
[09:51] <dw1> it just ends support today :)
[09:52] <dw1> what is openssl version?
[09:52] <stiv2k> ii  openssl                            1.0.1c-3ubuntu2.8                      i386         Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools
[09:54] <dw1> apparently it was fixed in 2.7 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/1.0.1c-3ubuntu2.7
[09:54] <stiv2k> so im good?
[09:54] <dw1> yeah, but could have been compromised before that
[09:54] <stiv2k> do i need to regenerate cert?
[09:54] <dw1> you can use this online tester too https://filippo.io/Heartbleed/
[09:55] <dw1> to be safe, yeah, it was an unknown bug for ~2 years as I undersatnd
[09:55] <stiv2k> https://filippo.io/Heartbleed/#stiv2k.info
[10:13] <dw1> stiv2k: youre not vulnerable.. i checked with nmap, e.g. https://pastee.org/czavy
[10:14] <dw1> stiv2k: https://pastee.org/x8jdy
[10:31] <dw1> !sslbug
[11:14] <pmatulis> morning
[11:46] <dw1> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1374900 ?!
[11:48] <dw1> Just got this scary email from provider about linux kernel vulnerability: https://pastee.org/rfd2h
[11:50] <dw1> Is latest 14.04 kernel affected? Hmm
[11:56] <dw1> http://www.hostingseclist.com/
[11:58] <cfhowlett> dw1 the notice specifically states the fix...
[12:00] <dw1> k sounds good :)
[12:03] <dmsimard> jamespage: ping ?
[12:37] <sander^work> How do I check the version of an apt-get package before I install it?
[12:37] <cfhowlett> sander^work apt-cache policy packagename
[12:39] <dmsimard> sander^work: apt-cache show <package> works also
[12:53] <sander^work> is that the version I get when doing dist-upgrade, or upgrade?
[12:53] <sander^work> dmsimard, cfhowlett
[12:54] <sander^work> ..in case of an upgrade
[12:54] <cfhowlett> sander^work to get the latest packages for your current installed distro:   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:55] <sander^work> cfhowlett, Yes, I know. But I want to check which version i'm upgrading to, before I do it.
[12:55] <cfhowlett> sander^work note: this DOES NOT upgrade your os, so if you're on 12.04, you will remain on 12.04
[12:55] <sander^work> package version.
[12:56] <cfhowlett> sander^work as I understand it, the "available" package version in the one for your distro.
[12:57] <sander^work> cfhowlett, Yes, and apt-cache policy/show displays this new version of a package i'm about to upgrade.. but does it take into account the package I get when doing upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[12:58] <cfhowlett> sander^work new "available" version will be the highest package number available to you via upgrade
[12:59] <sander^work> cfhowlett, so it will display the highest version of a package even if it's hold back by apt-get when doing an regular upgrade?
[12:59] <sander^work> ..I guess :-)
[13:11] <jamespage> jodh, did we ever get to a consistent way to disabling/enabling upstart and init.d scripts?
[13:12] <jodh> jamespage: you mean the chkconfig-alike for upstart? No, that never happened.
[13:13] <jamespage> jodh, great- that what i though
[13:17] <jamespage> jodh, does chkconfig actually work in Ubuntu for init.d based stuff?
[13:28] <dmsimard> jamespage: I was hoping I could bring your attention to these ubuntu-cloud-archive packages that are broken and preventing swift from working properly: bit.ly/1szWmsa
[13:30] <jamespage> dmsimard, hmm - that's odd - that did not show in my testing
[13:30] <jamespage> dmsimard, this is on 12.04 or 14.04?
[13:31] <hallyn> smb: zul: bug 1320031
[13:31] <dmsimard> jamespage: I'm experiencing the issue with cloud archive on 12.04. The bug reporter (and AskOpenstack) are reporting issues on 14.04 as well
[13:31] <jamespage> dmsimard, oh - I see
[13:32] <jamespage> dmsimard, its with the ceilometer integration enabled
[13:32] <dmsimard> jamespage: people in #openstack-swift are saying it could be a conflict with ceilometer
[13:32]  * jamespage thinks that might be a testing gap
[13:32] <smb> hallyn, IMO that is not needed when libxl is found
[13:32] <jamespage> dmsimard, ah indeed - pecan>=0.4.5
[13:32] <hallyn> smb: no idea.  i do know that when i tried to build without --without-lbixl, compilation failed for me
[13:32] <jamespage> zul, ^^
[13:33] <hallyn> smb: but i wasn't even sure if you wanted libxl, so i just wanted to make sure you knew about teh bug
[13:33] <smb> hallyn, Right and since I use the xl stack I am quite positive it is build using libxl
[13:33] <smb> hallyn, ok sur
[13:33] <smb> sure
[13:34] <hallyn> smb: thanks :)  (zul might also care)
[13:35] <hallyn> me i'll be having to get comfortable with hyperv and widnows guests, i think, bc a bunch of related bugs are cropping up
[13:36] <dmsimard> jamespage: doh, zul went ping timeout :p
[13:36] <dmsimard> you scared him off IMO
[13:36] <jamespage> dmsimard, I'm not far from him this week so will go find him
[13:37] <dmsimard> jamespage: You guys are at the summit ?
[13:37] <hallyn> i bet jamespage is sitting at a table with zul,
[13:37] <hallyn> "answer my ping on irc"
[13:39] <jamespage> dmsimard, yes
[13:39] <dmsimard> jamespage: Nice. Wish I could be, some of my colleagues are there though. Lucky them :D
[13:41] <jamespage> dmsimard, so it looks like we have a to new version of happybase and an old version of pecan
[13:41] <jamespage> dmsimard, the problem is in ceilometer, symptoms in swift
[13:41] <jamespage> for the time being you can disable the ceilometer egg to workaround
[13:44] <dmsimard> jamespage: I'm working around it manually already but it's .. inconvenient
[13:50] <dmsimard> jamespage: Thanks for your attention, appreciate it.
[15:18] <shwaiil> Q: I was talking about sshfs to mount a remote dir, so I could use my sublime-text from my local machine. Someone told me, I can actually run sublime-text directly from my ubuntu server ? and it launches my local sublime-text ?
[15:18] <shwaiil> so I don't have to relay on sshfs or nfs, etc. How does that work ?
[15:19] <shwaiil> Never seen that before.
[15:19] <shwaiil> he also mentioned: you may have to authorized the remote host to display content on local machine via 'xhost + remote_ip' ( on local machine )
[15:19] <shwaiil> does anyone know anything about this ?
[15:52] <qman__> shwaiil: I believe that is referring to X11 forwarding over SSHb
[15:53] <qman__> SSH*
[15:53] <jpds> There's also xpra
[15:53] <jpds> !info xpra
[15:55] <pmatulis> was testing xpra yesterday on trusty.  it's quite actively developed
[16:17] <medberry> jamespage, I'm doing a new OpenStack Icehouse deploy this week. Should I build on Precise and upgrade it to Trusty later (current plan) or bite the bullet and go to Trusty first? (just asking for a best practice/recommendation based on current stability/maturity of each)
[16:18] <medberry> thanks, trusty it is
[17:22] <rostam> HI I am using ubuntu 12.04 lts.. we are observing some performance issues. Any recommandation on what profiling tool to use to root cause the issue? thx
[17:23] <rostam> k
[17:25] <SCHAAP137> performance issues in which sense?
[17:28] <sarnold> rostam: there are dozens to pick from :) one of my favorites is the 'vmstat 1' output, check the 'so' and 'si' columns to see if you need to buy more ram :)
[17:28] <rostam> we have mutli-threaded application, some of the thread are queued on an interrupt from video sync and are missed.
[17:28] <rostam> sarnold, thx I will look into those, but we have lotus of ram
[17:28] <sander__> Is the recent local root security bug fixed in 10.04 ?
[17:29] <sarnold> sander__: which one?
[17:29] <sander__> sarnold, is there several ones? Thinking about the race condition one.
[17:29] <sarnold> sander__: ah, then it might have been this: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2014/CVE-2014-0196.html
[17:30] <sarnold> sander__: if it'sthe one I think you're thikning of, then yes, updates were released on 5th of may
[17:50] <zriddick|2> should I set up both an external and an internal nic on a mail server
[17:52] <sarnold> zriddick|2: that's probably more hassle than it is worth.
[17:53] <zriddick|2> ok I am wondering why zentyal has option for external or internal on the nic settings
[17:53] <zriddick|2> but that seems to be the common response
[17:54] <sarnold> zriddick|2: I can imagine scenarios where it might make sense, but it feels to me that if you've got a good reason for an internal mail server address and an external mail server address, having them on two servers is probably the wise next step :)
[17:55] <zriddick|2> understood
[17:56] <zriddick|2> when you set it up you get all kinds of crazy stuff happening
[17:56] <zriddick|2> Ill stick with the one
[18:51] <rostam> Hi I am using ubuntu 12.04. I am trying to install an opensource driver after compiling (lttng-modules-2.0.2),. It seems during installtion it requires private key, I keep getting this error: Can't read private key.  Is there anyway I can force install it? thx
[18:59] <patdk-wk> rostam, you need to ask lttng
[18:59] <rostam> patdk-wk, thx
[19:22] <Macer> good afternoon
[20:57] <justizin> is there an equivalent to policy-rc.d for update-rc.d ? i somehow thought policy-rc.d would prevent both starting and enabling of services installed by packages, but i’m finding that they don’t start on install, but do on reboot.
[21:29] <axisys> I wanted to save people from keep typing their securid password everytime then login to router and we have tons of backbone routers
[21:29] <axisys> how to cache authentication credentials instead of sending the authentication request to authentication server if request comes within say 5 mins of last successful authentication?
[21:30] <axisys> our setup is like this tacacs -> pam -> radius on securid server
[21:31] <sarnold> axisys: my first thought is to look into using sssd to cache credentials; keep in mind that I've not actually -used- sssd myself, I've just spent an hour skimming their documentation a few months ago..
[21:32] <sarnold> axisys: maybe simpler, try the pam_succeed_id module
[21:33] <axisys> sarnold: google thinks pam_succeed_if ?
[21:33] <sarnold> axisys: ignore google, just 'man pam_succeed_if', that ought to get you there :)
[21:38] <axisys> read it few times.. not sure if I following.. can it do like this? if pam_radius was success 5 mins ago then login success and no need to send another auth request?
[21:40] <sarnold> axisys: that's my thought... I haven't looked into it deeply, it might not be even close..
[21:41] <axisys> so sssd can talk to a pam library and keep the success in cache for a certain time for any future auth req ?
[21:42] <sarnold> axisys: I believe so, yeah
[21:46] <axisys> hmm.. so caching auth credentials is a feature with sssd.. nice.. but I do not know if it can talk to PAM..
[21:47] <axisys> atleast not showing anything here
[21:47] <axisys> https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5/html/Deployment_Guide/s1-authconfig-auth.html
[21:47] <axisys> may be need to read more to find out
[21:49] <axisys> ok.. so pam is an option
[21:49] <axisys> services = nss, pam
[21:49] <axisys> https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5/html/Deployment_Guide/Configuring_Services.html
[21:49] <axisys> thanks
[21:50] <sarnold> axisys: yeah, it looks like it's a Big Thing, but it feels like it should be able to do whatever it is you need doing. :)
[22:01] <stiv2k> dw1: thank you
[22:43] <Godzilla1954III> WHERE IS MAH F{}CK MONKEY
[22:44] <cloudman> why is rkhunter not updating on 12.04???
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[05:32] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:02] <sarnold> pitti: 1587727 (man that was quick :)
[06:16] <karstensrage> #1587727
[06:52] <pitti> sarnold: yep, known already :)
[06:52] <pitti> sarnold: I clearly don't visit the right web sites :) (I get a crash with www.facebook.com which I never use, for example)
[06:52] <sarnold> pitti: aha, good :) I thought you mentioned getting errors for it, wanted to make sure
[06:53] <sarnold> pitti: hehehehehe
[06:53] <pitti> Good morning
[06:53] <sarnold> good morning ;)
[07:47] <apw> pitti, i am not mad in thinking that we (at least) tried to make python3 the one and only python for xenial and up?
[07:47] <pitti> apw: correct, we've been trying for a loong time
[07:47] <pitti> apw: I think we actually succeeded on the server image? (at least for some time, maybe it came back)
[07:48] <pitti> ah no, python2.7 is still on http://releases.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-16.04-server-amd64.list
[07:48] <apw> pitti, but it would be a reasonable statement that it would be wrong introducing new python2 dependancies, that they should be python3
[07:48] <apw> pitti, for xenial/yakkety
[07:49] <pitti> right
[07:49] <pitti> every such case throws us back
[07:49] <sarnold> did desktop make it?
[07:49] <sarnold> I thought something did :)
[07:49] <apw> yeah i did too :)
[07:49] <pitti> I think we managed to get rid of it on the cloud images
[07:50] <pitti> no py2.7 there
[07:50] <pitti> desktop still has it
[07:51] <sarnold> I thught cloud-init was still python 2.. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/bin/cloud-init uses #!/usr/bin/python   anway...
[07:59] <apw> pitti, on systemd ... who supplied the resolvconf integration service ?
[08:00] <pitti> apw: for networkd you mean? that was me
[08:00] <pitti> and yes, it's horrible
[08:00] <apw> pitti, yeah for networkd ... ok i think it may be flawed
[08:01] <apw> it seems (and i may be doing it wrong) if i tell networkd about a DNS server which is specific to a domain
[08:01] <apw> we shove that domain into /etc/resolv.conf and that then feeds back into resolved which sees /etc/resolv.conf updated
[08:01] <apw> so it becomes a (indeed the) primary DNS
[08:02] <pitti> apw: indeed, good point; so we need to look at whether the entry has Domains= as well, I figure, and then not supply it?
[08:03] <pitti> apw: networkd already sends its DNS info to resolved anyway
[08:03] <pitti> apw: this was mostly a shim for people using networkd without resolved
[08:07] <apw> pitti, it is utterly unclear how that file is to be interpreted (other than telling you it should not :)
[08:09] <apw> pitti, cirtainly it _is_ reporting in there that there is DNS but there is ROUTE_DOMAINS= in there as well, but i don't have enough configuration via networkd to know what it would look like if my primary DNS was configured in here
[08:09] <apw> pitti, do you know how to do that so perhaps i can at least fake it
[08:09] <pitti> apw: hang on, I'm trying in a VM (not using networkd on my desktop, or anywhere permanent)
[08:10] <apw> pitti, oh you meany, making me use it :-p
[08:10] <pitti> when did I? :-)
[08:10] <apw> when you uploaded it to yakkety :)
[08:11] <apw> well the resolved bits anyhow
[08:11] <apw> as resolved gets half its config from networkd because thats not a layering violation
[08:12]  * pitti doesn't understand these three comments, sorry
[08:13] <pitti> apw: so for a global DNS server, you just get DNS= and OPER_STATE=, no other fields
[08:13] <apw> i am trying to configure resolved which we switched to using, to do that i _have_ to configure networkd because that part of resolved configuration is stored only in files networkd also reads
[08:13] <apw> pitti, and if you have both ?
[08:13] <pitti> apw: so I think we must make /lib/systemd/system/systemd-networkd-resolvconf-update.service ignore files which have ROUTE_DOMAINS
[08:13] <pitti> as these just can't be handled via glibc
[08:13] <pitti> /etc/resolv.conf simply lacks syntax for this
[08:14] <apw> that seems appropriate to me
[08:24] <pitti> apw: do you want to file a bug about it to track it, or want me to?
[08:25] <pitti> (we might eventually need to port this fix to xenial, if anyone decides to start using networkd there)
[08:25] <sarnold> pitti: btw what are we going to do with the KillUserProcesses thing? it apparently didn't go over well on fedora when upstream flipped it..
[08:26] <pitti> sarnold: it's reverted in 230-2, which is sitting in y-proposed
[08:26] <pitti> this first attempt clearly didn't go well
[08:26] <sarnold> pitti: woot :) thanks
[08:26] <pitti> now we're getting flak from the other side for disabling it again :)
[08:26] <pitti> sarnold: but I think this needs to be re-thought
[08:26] <sarnold> figures
[08:26] <pitti> sarnold: one recent proposal that I've seen is to use SIGHUP instead of SIGKILL
[08:26] <sarnold> it's a nice feature to have available but to turn on by default seems a pretty drastic change
[08:27] <pitti> which DTRT with tmux and screen (they stay running), but should still clean up gnome leftovers
[08:27] <sarnold> that's way more unixy :)
[08:28] <sarnold> nohup exists for applications that just inherit, applications which care can handle it ..
[08:30] <apw> pitti, i'll file a bug now and have a look
[08:38] <cpaelzer> pitti : is there a ppa for autopkgtest to get adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud for yakkety images working on a Xenial system?
[08:38] <pitti> cpaelzer: not a PPA, but it's in xenial-backports (and trusty-backports too)
[08:39] <pitti> cpaelzer: but it's still not working very well, I filed bug 1587188 yesterday
[08:39] <pitti> i. e. the generated images have a horribly small root partition, so only small tests actually work
[08:39] <cpaelzer> pitti: ah, your update is so recent I just don't have it got yet via backports - thanks for making me aware of the follow on issue
[08:40] <pitti> not entirely sure if that's actually in cloud-init, or a regression in how we build the cloud images themeselves, though
[08:40] <pitti> cpaelzer: oh, wait, which fix do you mean?
[08:40] <pitti> cpaelzer: oh, the renamed images, I see
[08:40] <cpaelzer> pitti: I was looking for the one with the name change loosing -disk1
[08:41] <pitti> that fix is in 3.20.7
[08:41] <cpaelzer> yeah that is why I started looking for a ppa, but backports is fine
[08:41] <pitti> cpaelzer: I'm going to upload 3.20.8 to sid now, and as soon as this autosyncs, I'll backport it to t and x
[08:41] <pitti> 3.20.7 just landed in testing
[08:41] <apw> pitti, bug #1587762
[08:42] <pitti> cpaelzer: in the meantime, just locally apply http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git/commit/?id=6676ed6ea
[08:42] <pitti> cpaelzer: and the next time you'll get a package upgrade that will include the fix
[08:42] <cpaelzer> pitti: I almost edited that lone myself before starting to think you likely fixed that already
[08:43] <cpaelzer> pitti: thanks, I'll give the cloudinit bug at least a few minutes - maybe I can find something there for us
[08:45] <cpaelzer> the probably easiest way to get fixes early until released is pull-lp/debian-source and then run with full path like /tmp/autopkgtest-3.20.7/tools/adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud
[08:45] <cpaelzer> somewhat nicer than to patch the real system :-)
[08:46] <pitti> cpaelzer: just run it out of git :)
[08:46] <pitti> cpaelzer: that's what I do in production
[08:47] <cpaelzer> +1 evil overlord points for pitti for "run it out of git in production"
[08:47] <pitti> well, if I do a fix I don't want to wait a day before I can roll it out, people need it NOW :)
[08:48] <pitti> and while autopkgtest's tests are annoying (they take ~ 30 mins), they are also rather effective at guarding against regressions
[08:49] <pitti> and even then, git reset --hard HEAD^, and life goes on
[08:52] <apw> pitti, cna i use awk in this context, rather than sed?
[08:52] <pitti> apw: sure, as long as it gets along with mawk
[08:53] <pitti> apw: btw, it might be easier to actually not run this horrible thing at all if resolved is being used
[08:53] <pitti> apw: this is a shim for using networkd without resolved, but with resolvconf and software that uses /etc/resolv.conf directly
[08:53] <pitti> it's not needed for anything else
[08:54] <apw> yeah that makes sense, is there an easy way to tell that ?
[08:54] <mwhudson> i'm trying to use sbuild to build an i386 package on my laptop and it's complaining about
[08:54] <mwhudson>  sbuild-build-depends-core-dummy:amd64 : Depends: crossbuild-essential-amd64:i386 but it is not installable
[08:55] <apw> mwhudson, are you building that in a amd64 chroot or something ?
[08:55] <mwhudson> i'm confused, i don't think i need or what any cross building nonsense here
[08:55] <pitti> apw: first iteration is to add "ConditionPathExists=!/run/systemd/resolve" to /lib/systemd/system/systemd-networkd-resolvconf-update.path
[08:55] <mwhudson> apw: i made it with mk-sbuild --arch i386 yakkety so i hope now
[08:55] <mwhudson> *not
[08:56] <mwhudson> and $ schroot -c yakkety-i386 --directory / -- uname -m
[08:56] <mwhudson> i686
[08:58] <apw> yep that looks believeable
[08:58] <mwhudson> ah passing --build i386 --host i386 is happier
[08:59] <mwhudson> or indeed --arch i386
[09:00] <apw> pitti, so without the other fix or with that together
[09:00] <apw> pitti, as i am assuming that will fix my issues completely
[09:01] <mwhudson> does anyone happen to know the incantation to get the filet to make --extra-repository-key=file.asc work for a ppa?
[09:01] <mwhudson> i'm sure i can figure it out but...
[09:02] <pitti> apw: right, if you don't run this unit at all, it'll fix things for you
[09:02] <pitti> apw: I'm just not sure whether we can get away with this
[09:04] <apw> pitti, well i have done the other bit too, i'll add a diff to the bug
[09:04] <apw> pitti, then we can think about the test
[09:04] <pitti> apw: cheers
[09:05] <pitti> apw: I'll write that (before applying the patch)
[09:05] <pitti> apw: still battling with armhf lost autopkgtests and infra, getting to this later
[09:08] <apw> pitti, no rush at all
[09:08] <apw> pitti, and this way i can hand apply the fix and see if it works in practice
[09:09] <mwhudson> hm apparently that option just doesn't work?
[09:12] <mwhudson> or doesn't do what i think
[09:12] <mwhudson> hacked around, anyway
[09:13] <juliank> pitti: bug 1569099 got a verification-needed, but that does not make much sense, it's a duplicate of bug 1560797 which is already closed in xenial with the same commit.
[09:15] <apw> pitti, ok patch attached and cowboy'd onto my machine ... seems to be working at least for now
[09:16] <juliank> Anyway, what is missing for the apt SRU to be moved to -release? From what I see in bug 1538438, that one should be fixed, but still verification-needed. And bug 1580952 has verification-needed, but no test case, as it's a new-micro-release-type-SRU
[09:17] <pitti> juliank: for xenial you mean? nothing, but until yesterday it didn't age for 7 days yet; today it's fine
[09:17] <juliank> Ah OK
[09:18] <pitti> juliank: sorry, that was for wily
[09:18] <pitti> juliank: which refers to bug 1575877 which is v-done and 7 days now
[09:18]  * pitti releases
[09:18] <juliank> Yeah, xenial was uploaded 2016-05-12
[09:18] <juliank> so it's far beyond schedule
[09:19] <pitti> juliank: look at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[09:19] <pitti> juliank: the dupe bug is striked through, so irrelevant; but the two other bugs weren't verified, and it's not fixed in yakkety
[09:20] <juliank> Eww, and some autopkgtest regressions
[09:20] <pitti> i. e. bug 1538438 (not fixed in y, not verified), and bug 1580952 (missing test case, not verified)
[09:21] <juliank> pitti: Oops,  the first is fixed in yakkety
[09:22] <juliank> 1.2.12 is the bugfix cherry-pick of 1.3~exp1 in yakkety
[09:23] <juliank> The autopkgtests are strange, but unrelated it seems: sbuild fails with "E: Unable to find a source package for procenv" and apport with "https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/libacl1-dbgsym_2.2.52-3_i386.ddeb gnutls_handshake() failed: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated."
[09:24] <rbasak> pitti: I'm sure I've asked you this before, but I can't find a reference right now. systemd is hiding errors from postinst invoke-rc.d, and as a result it doesn't end up in bug reports. Can we amend apport to provide it in the general case?
[09:24] <rbasak> pitti: example: bug 1587695
[09:24] <rbasak> pitti: perhaps on invoke-rc.d failure, invoke-rc.d should automatically dump "systemctl status" to stderr?
[09:24] <rbasak> Or else, I'd like some other way for apport to pick it up.
[09:25] <pitti> juliank: right, the apport one is a glitch, I'll retry
[09:26] <juliank> pitti: Yes, and the sbuild one also happens in the most recent build with apt 1.2.10ubuntu1
[09:26] <pitti> juliank: sbuild, this also apparently happesn with the xenial-release apt, as it also failed for the proposed dpkg: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/sbuild/xenial/amd64/
[09:26] <juliank> yeah
[09:26] <pitti> so something definitively broke this, but not the new apt
[09:28] <juliank> pitti: What to verify about bug 1580952? I don't think this makes a whole lot of sense there.
[09:29] <pitti> I suggested "Please add an SRU test case which exercise the code paths that changed here."
[09:29] <juliank> It's a "New upstream microrelease" with test cases in it.
[09:29] <pitti> maybe at least some small test plan with installing/upgrading various packages, downloading a source, etc.
[09:29] <pitti> to make sure it'snot completely broken
[09:29] <pitti> right, that too
[09:32] <juliank> I mean, the autopkgtests check all those things in an automated integration test case fashion, and users apparently use it successfully (at least the one who checked that no_proxy worked correctly), so...
[09:34] <pitti> juliank: ok, agreed
[09:37] <pitti> juliank: I updated the two bugs
[09:37]  * pitti releases
[09:37] <juliank> Yay!
[09:37] <pitti> juliank: thanks for the updates
[09:39] <juliank> pitti: I already started queuing (currently 2) commits for 1.2.13! :) - should arrive in a few weeks. Especially fancy ones like "fail instead of segfault on unreadable config files" and the easy "Provide complete apt bash completion"
[09:40] <juliank> I'm trying to get more translations in as well, but the merge gets confusing (anyone knows a .po merge helper?)
[09:40] <pitti> juliank: msgmerge ?
[09:41] <pitti> rbasak: hm, no amavis messages in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/262668434/JournalErrors.txt, so I'm not sure if that'd actually help
[09:41] <juliank> Hmm, yeah, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16214067/wheres-the-3-way-git-merge-driver-for-po-gettext-files says we can build a 3 way merge driver with that
[09:41] <pitti> rbasak: might be that this is a forking service which only outputs to log files, not to stdout/err?
[09:42] <pitti> rbasak: ah, wait, this only shows messags with priority >= warning, so maybe that's why
[09:42] <pitti> rbasak: yeah, I guess we can amend the ubuntu hook for package failures to include the status
[09:43] <pitti> apw: nice fix! (I'd just do s/routable/route_domains/)
[09:43] <rbasak> pitti: thanks. I could see you were busy on something else so I filed bug 1587791 so as not to forget.
[09:43] <pitti> thanks
[09:44] <pitti> rbasak: yeah, sorry; still working on some test infra fallout
[09:44] <rbasak> pitti: np. I'd like to see this fixed (will save us bug triaging time) but it's hardly urgent.
[09:47] <apw> pitti, yeah makes more sense feel free to hack her up ;)
[10:24] <pitti> tinoco, xnox: aupkg02 (<IP_ADDRESS>) is down again; can you please prod it?
[10:28] <tseliot> pitti: aptdaemon can't be installed in yakkety, any ideas? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/262720256/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.ubuntu-drivers-common_1%3A0.4.19_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:29] <pitti> tseliot: because of http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#packagekit, the proposed version is incompatible
[10:29] <pitti> see bug 1496292
[10:31] <tseliot> pitti: ok, so it is a known issue. I need to backport some code from u-d-c to xenial (to give back about 1 second on boot), so I'll just ignore yakkety for now
[10:45] <cpaelzer> pitti: the resizing issue you reported is actually in cloud-utils, I created a MP for smoser to consider - details in the bug
[10:46] <cpaelzer> that said back to what I actually wanted to do ... or lunch :-)
[10:47] <pitti> cpaelzer: yay, you figured it out? thanks!
[11:26] <caribou> Locu
[11:26] <caribou> oups, sorry
[11:30] <cpaelzer> pitti: just verified, 'til the fix hits the archive booting into the adt guest with your vm script and running "sudo resize2fs /dev/vda1" gets you images to work with for now
[11:32] <pitti> cpaelzer: greaet
[13:15] <cpaelzer> pitti: I was happy too early about the yakkety adt now being fine a few hours before
[13:15] <cpaelzer> the disk size is good now but something (tm) crashes it now
[13:15] <cpaelzer> do you have any notes / best practise on debugging adt-run / adt-virt-qemu?
[13:16] <cpaelzer> with all debug enabled I see it booting fine, but then kill the qemu by a sig 15 when executing "adt-virt-qemu: DBG: execute-timeout: /tmp/adt-virt-qemu.7vsnggp9/runcmd true"
[13:16] <cpaelzer> if it is a timeout it is rather fast - like 2 seconds :-)
[13:20] <pitti> cpaelzer: should be 5 s
[13:20] <pitti> cpaelzer: hm, and that's with the PYTHONHASHSEED=0 hack already?
[13:21] <pitti> as this has this very symptom
[13:23] <cpaelzer> pitti: I'll build from git as you do and let you know if anything in there fixes my issue
[13:23] <cpaelzer> pitti: do I need to recreate the guest images to pick up the change?
[13:30] <pitti> cpaelzer: shouldn't be necessary really
[13:32] <cpaelzer> pitti: yeah - out of git is good, thanks
[13:33] <pitti> cpaelzer: which version do you have installed? 3.20.7?
[13:33] <mitya57> sil2100, hi, do you have any thoughts @ https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/appmenu-qt5/lp1574699/+merge/294381 ?
[13:33] <pitti> cpaelzer: aside from the image rename I don't see a relevant change since 3.20.6
[13:34] <cpaelzer> pitti: started with 3.20.4, then used 3.20.7 for the image create, but back to .4 for run
[13:34] <cpaelzer> pitti: now I just switched to git to stay ahead just as you do
[13:34] <pitti> cpaelzer: .4 won't work, that doesn't have the PYTHONHASHSEED hack
[13:34] <pitti> cpaelzer: you need >= .5 for running yakkety images
[13:34] <pitti> cpaelzer: this hack applies to adt-run time, not to image creation time
[13:35] <cpaelzer> which is why the adt-run out of git now got it working
[13:35] <cpaelzer> good
[13:35] <pitti> right
[13:35] <pitti> 3.20.8 is uploaded to sid, but it'll take another half day or so to land in yakkety;  I'll backport it tomorrow
[13:36] <pitti> infinity, sarnold: FYI, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#systemd is just landing
[13:36] <pitti> with the unkill change
[14:00] <tumbleweed> cjwatson: I've hit something that feels very much like https://bugs.debian.org/708123 in an upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 (and then we went to 16.04)
[14:01] <tumbleweed> I'll grab an image of it and muck around in qemu
[14:03] <cjwatson> cyphermox: ^- can you deal with that?
[14:05] <cyphermox> ack
[14:05] <cyphermox> tumbleweed: filed a bug?
[14:06] <tumbleweed> I was wondering what you'd want to look at
[14:06] <tumbleweed> I'm going to start by trying to upgrade the metadata in a VM copy of it
[14:11] <tumbleweed> symptoms are: rescue prompt shows no md devices, one has to boot it off a raid member
[14:11] <tumbleweed> and the raid modules all seem to be present
[14:40] <tumbleweed> also, rescue mode seems racy :P
[15:38] <ginggs> sil2100: hi, can you rebuild mtp for yakkety please? it still depends on boost from xenial
[15:41] <sil2100> ginggs: hey! Ok, no-change rebuild on its way
[15:42] <ginggs> sil2100: thanks!
[15:50] <sil2100> ginggs: hm, strange that it deps on the old boost still, I did a no-change rebuild of it on the 20th of May already
[15:53] <ginggs> sil2100: mtp (0.0.4+16.04.20160413-0ubuntu2) xenial; urgency=medium  <= distribution is xenial
[15:54] <ginggs> Copied from ubuntu xenial in Stable Phone Overlay PPA by Ubuntu Archive Auto-Sync <= this sounds weird to me
[16:01] <sil2100> ginggs: ah, right, my bad - I guess the rebuild didn't happen in the end
[16:02] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[16:35] <pitti> hallyn: demoting cgmanager to universe for now, as per http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt
[16:36] <pitti> hallyn: only the binary for now; we still have a few rdepends of the library in main, like upstart and ubuntu-core-libs
[16:36] <pitti> hallyn: is cgmanager still actually a thing which we want to support, or is that being phased out in favor of lxcfs etc?
[16:41] <mterry> @pilot in
[16:42] <flaiks> is there a way to get kernel 4.6 running on 16.04 ? i need it for a required fix for my t460s
[16:42] <ikonia> flaiks: we just discussed this
[16:43] <mapreri> what usually people do in ubuntu when a package ftbfs in one arch for reason nobody can't get? — are partial removals a thing?
[16:43]  * mapreri is looking at cowdancer
[16:43] <ikonia> thats not what this channel is for,
[16:43] <ikonia> flaiks: the support channel is #ubuntu
[16:46] <jrwren> ikonia: try #ubuntu-kernel you migth also ask if the patch that you see in 4.6 has been backported to the ubuntu 4.4 kernel
[16:46] <ikonia> jrwren: not for me, but thank you, it's not been backported for the record for flaiks
[16:47] <dobey> mapreri: i usually fix the problems, in my packages
[16:47] <jrwren> ikonia: sorry. I meant to direct taht to flaiks
[16:47] <mapreri> dobey: "for reason nobody can't get" implies we 1/ can't figure out the problem 2/ can't reproduce it 3/ in debian just builds.
[16:48] <mapreri> would be awesome if you can look at it and see if you can make it out! ♥
[16:48] <ikonia> jrwren: not a problem at all
[16:49] <mapreri> not having porterboxes available doesn't really help either (the actual maintainer tried in qemu but no luck)
[16:54] <hallyn> pitti: phased out
[16:57] <dobey> mapreri: well i don't know enough about the code and its memory model, but it would appear that the memleak test is failing for some reason. i see in the shell script for that test a comment about LD_PRELOAD causing a memleak, so perhaps related?
[16:57] <cjwatson> mapreri: Partial removals are certainly possible, though we prefer to avoid the cop-out option if at all possible :)
[16:58] <cjwatson> mapreri: worth trying with -O2
[16:58] <cjwatson> mapreri: (the "obvious" difference between Debian and Ubuntu that's ppc64el-specific is that Ubuntu's toolchain defaults to -O3 on ppc64el)
[16:59] <cjwatson> so DEB_MAINT_CFLAGS_STRIP := -O3 and DEB_MAINT_CFLAGS_APPEND := -O2 or equivalent
[16:59] <mapreri> interesting.
[16:59] <mapreri> (didn't know it)
[16:59] <cjwatson> mapreri: you can try it in a PPA
[16:59] <mapreri> ya
[17:00] <cjwatson> err s/DEB_MAINT_CFLAGS/DEB_CFLAGS_MAINT/g
[17:00] <dobey> ah yeah, that makes sense given that it's memory related
[17:07] <mapreri> i wanted to try, before that, a no change rebuild in a ppa: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/9845065 — it bult..
[17:08] <mapreri> could be related for it being virtualized?
[17:08] <cjwatson> mapreri: virt/non-virt makes no difference for ppc64el
[17:08] <cjwatson> so let's try just retrying that build
[17:09] <cjwatson> of course it could be non-deterministic
[17:10] <mapreri> - failed
[17:12] <mapreri> cjwatson: any other suggestion? :)
[17:12]  * mapreri would be very happy to have it building!
[17:15] <mapreri> i have to go out for some hours now, but please do feel free to dump ideas (or even try out stuff!)
[17:19] <cjwatson> mapreri: -O2 would definitely be my next suggestion
[17:20] <cjwatson> also diff build logs and see if that throws up anything (though I don't immediately spot anything very obvious)
[17:29] <mterry> seb128, so are we OK with switching packages to geoclue-2.0?  Did we ever find an actual solution for them?  (I see that empathy got switched to 2.0)
[17:31] <seb128> mterry, yeah, see the migration bug, seems like robert_ancell fixed our geoip server to talk the same api that google/mozilla use
[17:31] <dobey> mterry: is this where you end up having to write a backend for geoclue-2.0 that uses ubuntu-location-service?
[17:31] <seb128> which makes it compatible with geoclue2
[17:31] <seb128> mterry, https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/canonical-is-puppet/geolocation-api/+merge/296077
[18:56] <mterry> cyphermox, in bug 1585863, $4 suggested modifying a network-manager patch of yours -- basically dropping your changes to src/supplicant-manager/nm-supplicant-interface.c -- can you comment there?  I was about to sponsor it, but wasn't sure I knew what the deal was there
[19:11] <mterry> @pilot out
[19:45] <brainwash> is pkexec broken? pkexe whoami  gives me:
[19:46] <brainwash>  polkit-agent-helper-1: error response to PolicyKit daemon: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie
[19:50] <brainwash> pkcheck --list-temp --> Error getting session: No session for pid <PID>
[20:19] <mapreri> cjwatson: is the version of sbuild used for the primary archive builds and for the ppa builds the same?  I see weird differences in the output like this (just curiosity):
[20:19] <mapreri> [-PWD=/«PKGBUILDDIR»-] {+PWD=/«BUILDDIR»/cowdancer-0.80+ppa0+}
[20:19] <mapreri> (this is the diff, for completeness: https://volatile.mapreri.org/2016-06-01/821944dc8105ba888c8857b2cacb7737/diff.html )
[20:20] <mapreri> (actually, is the full logs dwdiffed)
[21:21] <cjwatson> mapreri: Yes, it's the same; congratulations, you've found an sbuild bug to do with + handling
[21:21] <mapreri> ahahahah \o/
[21:22] <mapreri> cjwatson: bug in which it can't correctly compute PKGBUILDDIR and sed it over the build log?
[21:23] <cjwatson> indeed
[21:23] <cjwatson> probably needs to quote a regex harder
[21:30] <pitti> hallyn: ok, thanks; I figure ubuntu-app-launch and ubuntu-core-libs will need some work then, but systemd-shim is gone already
[23:21] <mwhudson> does anyone have a script for doing a no-change rebuild of a package in a ppa?


[01:30] <Test123122> Ok so like I have an online multiplayer game and I was wondering if anyone knew how to have my severs load its content from a different directory
[01:30] <Test123122> ...than the other server
[01:40] <holstein> Test123122: you could try #ubuntu or #ubunut-server or maybe #ubuntu-beginners
[01:40] <holstein> you should be able to say in some configuration for the game where to go look for the files
[02:01] <Test123122> My loader is in AS2
[02:14] <Test123122> ?
[02:18] <Unit193> Test123: You're going to have much better luck in #ubuntu as this isn't a support channel
[02:18] <holstein> yeah, i should have been more clear, sorry...
[02:24] <Test123> oh ok..lol my bad


[12:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80664 in democracyplayer (universe) "[Feisty]  Crash with python2.5 and dbus problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80664
[12:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80663 in bluez-btsco (universe) "please sync to the last 0.5 upstream release" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80663
[12:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80665 in Ubuntu "Network folder wizard can't accept entry above port 32767" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80665
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80668 in Ubuntu "The system freezes and the message box with the Bug appears" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80668
[12:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80666 in azureus (universe) "Azureus crashed when starting a new torrent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80666
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80669 in kyamo (universe) "[feisty]  kyamo hangs at 90% cpu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80669
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80670 in kyamo (universe) "[Feisty]  kyamos dialog box cancel is spelled wrong" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80670
[12:48] <gnomefreak> good morning Hobbsee
[12:48] <Hobbsee> hey gnomefreak
[12:51] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: kyamo is broken the latest upload atleast
[12:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: oh dear?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> cancel spelled wrong and 90+% cpu
[12:54] <gnomefreak> bugs 80670 and 80699
[12:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80670 in kyamo "[Feisty]  kyamos dialog box cancel is spelled wrong" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80670
[12:55] <gnomefreak> bug 80669 also
[12:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80669 in kyamo "[feisty]  kyamo hangs at 90% cpu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80669
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80672 in gnome-system-tools (main) "network-admin..crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80672
[01:05] <pochu> 80672
[01:05] <pochu> bug 80672
[01:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80672 in gnome-system-tools "network-admin..crash (dup-of: 71248)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80672
[01:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71248 in dbus "apps using dbus hang when runned with sudo" [Unknown,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71248
[01:07] <pochu> bug 80672
[01:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80672 in gnome-system-tools "network-admin..crash (dup-of: 71248)" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80672
[01:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71248 in dbus "apps using dbus hang when runned with sudo" [Unknown,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71248
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80673 in Ubuntu "Installer crashes on partitioner" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80673
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80674 in ubiquity (main) "fedora - ubuntu dual boot install crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80674
[01:32] <crimsun> bug 76493, 76801, 78230, 80664
[01:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76493 in democracyplayer "Democracy player won't start [feisty] " [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76493
[01:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76801 in democracyplayer "Democracyplayer crashes when I start it up" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76801
[01:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78230 in democracyplayer "democracy tv crashes panel bars and then itself on "launch at system startup"" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78230
[01:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80664 in democracyplayer "[Feisty]  Crash with python2.5 and dbus problem" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80664
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80677 in gnome-phone-manager (universe) "gnome-phone-manager whines about notification area" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80677
[01:44] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80678 in ubiquity (main) "Feisty installer crashes during partitioning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80678
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80679 in gnome-utils (main) "beryl" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80679
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80681 in firefox (main) "Clicked on a favorite and recieved some weird mouse icon and then firefox crashed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80681
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80680 in totem (main) "[patch]  totem-video-thumbnailer broken in 2.17.5 (feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80680
[02:28] <sfllaw> pochu: Welcome!
[02:28] <pochu> hi simon
[02:28] <pochu> thanks!
[02:29] <pochu> sfllaw: i love to help open source
[02:29] <pochu> and Ubuntu!
[02:29] <pochu> :D
[02:32] <sfllaw> pochu: Yay!
[02:33] <pochu> sfllaw: I have read the wiki page
[02:33] <pochu> sfllaw: and have seen that the unconfirmed bugs are growing
[02:33] <pochu> sfllaw: should I pay special attention to those bugs?
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80683 in ubiquity (main) "PC Ubuntu 6.10 installer from live cd crashed on ThinkpadR60" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80683
[02:52] <pochu> good bye everybody!
[02:52] <pochu> good bye sfllaw
[03:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80684 in rhythmbox (main) "Randomly stops playing radio streams" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80684
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80685 in gaim (main) "gaim will not connect to jabber clients on AMD64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80685
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80686 in totem (main) "Totem crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80686
[03:48] <persia> sfllaw: You seem to be the primary maintainer of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs.  Any comments on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix?
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80687 in adept (main) "Adept crashes after removing tags" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80687
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80688 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes for no obvious reason" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80688
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80689 in totem (main) "Totem-gstreamer crash on wmv files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80689
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80690 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80690
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80691 in Ubuntu "mozilla-firefox-locale-fr-fr not installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80691
[06:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80692 in democracyplayer (universe) "democracyplayer crashes on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80692
[06:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80693 in gaim-otr (universe) "GAIM-OTR w/ Gaim beta 6 icon does not show up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80693
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80694 in rezound (universe) "Please sync rezound 0.12.2beta-8 (universe) from Debian (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80694
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80695 in compiz (universe) "Cube no longer works in 0.3.6" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80695
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80697 in update-manager (main) "changelogs.ubuntu.com isn't the right place for 3rd-party packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80697
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80698 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80698
[09:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80699 in ktrack (universe) "[Merge]  ktrack 0.3.0-alpha1-9 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80699
[09:16] <Hobbsee> palski: did you actually build ktrack?
[09:17] <palski> Hobbsee: yes, on edgy and on feisty
[09:17] <palski> why? it doesn't build?
[09:17] <Hobbsee> hrm.  it didnt use to build, which was why i didnt fix it
[09:18] <palski> that'w weird, I build it on feisty and tested it works fine
[09:19] <Hobbsee> cool
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80700 in Ubuntu "Beryl-core crash after a minute of activating it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80700
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80701 in kpowersave (universe) "[Merge]  kpowersave (0.6.2-4) from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80701
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80702 in human-icon-theme (main) "Keyboard indicator flags are missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80702
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80703 in gerris (universe) "[Sync Request]  please, sync gerris (0.6.0-3.1) from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80703
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80704 in knetworkmanager (main) "doesn't show wireless networks anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80704
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80705 in Ubuntu "Digital camera detected as photo card, but has generic drive icon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80705
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80707 in Ubuntu "installer crashed while trying to get the list of partitions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80707
[11:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80706 in Ubuntu "Dapper doesnet run on new hardware" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80706
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80708 in mp3blaster (universe) "unknown bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80708
[11:44] <a7p> bug 80706 ... what to do about this one? (someone complains about new hardware not beeing supported by dapper kernels).
[11:45] <a7p> I'd like to reject it, but I'm a bit irrational if it comes to unsupported hw.
[11:53] <palski> a7p: is that hw supported by edgy kernel?
[11:55] <persia> a7p: You might want to ask the user which hardware isn't supported.  Although it is unlikely to be fixed in Dapper, it could at least be tracked as the kernel supports new hardware.
[11:56] <persia> a7p: Based on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SupportedHardware, I'm not sure rejection is the appropriate response.
[12:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80709 in firefox (main) "Crashed while opening a scripted window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80709
[12:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80710 in python-django (universe) "please sync django 0.95-3 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80710
[12:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80711 in xdelta (universe) "Please sync xdelta 1.1.3-7 (universe) from Debian (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80711
[12:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80712 in sysrqd (universe) "please sync sysrqd 9-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80712
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80713 in update-manager (main) "[Feisty]  meta-release problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80713
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80714 in firefox (main) "javascript menus are under the flash animation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80714
[12:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80715 in music-applet (universe) "[Sync Request]  Please, sync music-applet (0.9.2-3) from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80715
[12:30] <medders> I'm having a bit of trouble deciding what to do
[12:30] <medders> can I mark a bug as confirmed if I can't reproduce it but have a backtrace?
[12:32] <palski> if backtraces are good enough it can be confirmed imho
[12:33] <medders> palski: cheers, how would you know if it's good enough though?
[12:34] <did447> medders: IMO if with the same setup you can't reproduce it's a needs Info.
[12:35] <palski> from wiki: *Are there sufficient log files and crash dumps, as outlined in DebuggingProcedures?
[12:35] <medders> did447: Okay, even he says that it was a one off, but he has a backtrace, so thats why im slightly confused
[12:36] <medders> palski: I'll check again, it's a long log file which my pc is finding it hard to handle
[12:39] <medders> I've just noticed something on the debuggingFirefox page, i'll mark it as rejected because it only happened once
[12:39] <medders> thanks everyone
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80716 in widelands (universe) "Widelands not completely covered in Launchpad" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80716
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80717 in Ubuntu "xgl / beryl crashes at startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80717
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80718 in Ubuntu "Recovery the system from /home partition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80718
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80719 in spca5xx (universe) "The image is way too dark" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80719
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80720 in update-manager (main) "can't get updates: too many errors processing archives" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80720
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80721 in desktop-effects (universe) "desktop-effects package in feisty does not depend on the required compiz-gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80721
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80722 in acpi-support (main) "[feisty]  time to think for a new wireless.sh" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80722
[01:34] <pochu> Hello everybody!
[01:34] <pochu> I have a question: when a bug is not really a bug, but it is a feature request, should I close it and tell the reporter to create a feature request at blueprints?
[01:35] <pochu> or what should i do?
[01:40] <a7p> pochu, it depends ...
[01:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80723 in libgda2 (main) "Please update to libgda 1.2.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80723
[01:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80724 in Ubuntu "beryl doesnot start. It tells me "segmentation fault"." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80724
[01:41] <persia> pochu: If it is non-trivial, try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#head-a6a607f04004fd7e46c40b41b959bf083d046b7e.  If simple, Try a different reponse from the page.
[01:41] <pochu> i'm taking a look
[01:43] <Beaver74> hello all
[01:43] <pochu> hi Beaver74
[01:45] <pochu> persia: could you look at this bug report and tell me if I should close it and ask the user to create a new feature request?
[01:45] <pochu> bug 80718
[01:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80718 in Ubuntu "Recovery the system from /home partition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80718
[01:46] <Beaver74> can i ask about a known bug ,"Bug 1396" ... i have some problems with my "Tseng ET4000/W32p" card ?
[01:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1396 in imgseek "Crash at startup : cannot import module named  imgdb.so" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1396
[01:47] <persia> pochu: That looks non-trivial to me, although the submitter may be assisted by dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections, depending on how deep they want to get into package management.
[01:47] <pochu> Beaver74, it says that has been fixed
[01:47] <pochu> Beaver74, what is your problem?
[01:49] <Beaver74> my prob is, that i cant start the xserver ... when i put "vesa" in the device section, than all looks wll ?!
[01:49] <Beaver74> +e
[01:49] <pochu> persia: i'm going to close it
[01:49] <Beaver74> (sry for my english :))
[01:49] <a7p> mmm ... does ubuntu support xgl ... someone's got a beryl-xgl-problem (I suspect he's even using the official feisty beryl)
[01:51] <geser> there are 2 beryl-packages in feisty, but afaik beryl isn't completely in feisty yet
[01:51] <persia> a7p: Feisty doesn't have beryl today (for AMD64).
[01:51] <pochu> Beaver74: I don't know, sorry
[01:51] <pochu> a7p: nor for x86
[01:51] <Beaver74> ok, thanks pochu !
[01:51] <geser> the last beryl reports I've seen where using the packages from beryl-project.org
[01:52] <pochu> geser: then the bugs should be reported to that package, not to ubuntu
[01:52] <pochu> in the upstream product
[01:53] <a7p> okay, thanks, I told him to report against the beryl package if he is using feisty and otherwise to be patient ...
[01:53] <Beaver74> pochu: can you tell me how i can find informations about the fix, ...
[01:55] <pochu> Beaver74: look at this:
[01:55] <pochu> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imgseek/+bug/1396/+activity
[01:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1396 in imgseek "Crash at startup : cannot import module named  imgdb.so" [Medium,Fix released]
[01:55] <Beaver74> i googled so long, and cant find anything
[01:55] <Beaver74> ah, thank
[01:55] <pochu> maybe you should talk to Andrew Mitchell
[01:55] <pochu> or search for the upload he says
[01:56] <pochu> Beaver74: but if you have the same problem, you can reopen the bug
[01:56] <pochu> Beaver74: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80725 in gnome-utils (main) "gnome-dictionary won't use dictd at localhost" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80725
[01:56] <Beaver74> im using the 6.06 "Dapper"
[01:56] <pochu> ok
[01:57] <afflux> a7p, bug #80724 is not using the official packages (i rejected it 30 seconds before you answered)
[01:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80724 in Ubuntu "beryl doesnot start. It tells me "segmentation fault"." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80724
[01:57] <pochu> it should be fixed there
[01:57] <Beaver74> and my tseng-driver version is the 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-ubuntu1
[01:57] <pochu> Beaver74: do what I've said you, and if you can't find more info, or you can't solve it, reopen the bug
[01:57] <Beaver74> yes, ok, will do so
[02:02] <Beaver74> bye
[02:09] <a7p> afflux, just saw it ...
[02:09] <a7p> changed status to rejected again.
[02:09] <afflux> alright, thank you.
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80727 in gnome-menus (main) "gnome control center should be renamed to control center" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80727
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80728 in gtkam (universe) "gtkam-0.1.14 missing Gnome menu icon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80728
[02:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80729 in Ubuntu "Beryl crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80729
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80730 in Ubuntu "[Edgy]  Setting USB Headset as default device doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80730
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80731 in xorg (main) "Xorg consuming too much memory in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80731
[03:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80732 in gnome-app-install (main) "Search filter not applied after app installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80732
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71679 in usplash (main) "Console setup at end of usplash fails, if artwork gets used (is on VT 7 instead of 8)" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71679
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80733 in gnome-app-install (main) "After search string changed apps list is not sorted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80733
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80734 in desktop-effects (universe) "desktop-effects doesn't start compiz correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80734
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80735 in totem (main) "[feisty]  totem-video-indexer crashes regularly because of a file in thunderbird inbox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80735
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80736 in gedit-plugins (universe) ""Build" shortcut (F8) does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80736
[04:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80737 in gnome-media (main) "gstreamer-properties warning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80737
[04:30] <sfllaw> pochu: Yes, working on unconfirmed bugs, or rather untriaged bugs, is best.
[04:30] <sfllaw> persia: You make bug fixing sound so easy!
[04:31] <sfllaw> persia: I'd mention debdiff as part of your patch generation thingy, and how to interact with the bug tracking system as you're fixing the bug.
[04:32] <pochu> sfllaw: ok!
[04:33] <pochu> sfllaw: one question: do you all stay 24 hours at the PC or do you leave it on with the irc open?
[04:33] <pochu> :D
[04:33] <persia> sfllaw: I'm afraid of introducing debdiff to new users, as that requires updating the changelog to allow for easy installation.  If users start making patches with diff -Nur, and are interested in learning, I'm sure someone will point them to the MOTU/Hopeful pages.  I'm not sure about the current process for interacting with Malone while fixing the bug: I'd appreciate any pointers (or Wiki updates).
[04:36] <sfllaw> pochu: I leave my computer online.
[04:36] <sfllaw> pochu: That way, I can go back to when I was sleeping, in case someone was looking for me.
[04:36] <sfllaw> persia: I don't think we've ever documented the right way to deal with fixing bugs.
[04:37] <pochu> sfllaw: that's fine, but if you own a laptop, you can't do that ;-)
[04:37] <sfllaw> persia: Well, if it's just diff, then -pruN is what you want.
[04:37] <sfllaw> pochu: I own a laptop.
[04:38] <pochu> sfllaw: and do you leave your laptop on 24 hours a day 7 days a week?
[04:38] <sfllaw> pochu: No, I use GNU screen.
[04:38] <pochu> wow
[04:38] <pochu> sfllaw: I don't know that
[04:38] <pochu> what is it?
[04:38] <persia> sfllaw: That makes sense (the page was a dangling link earlier today).  How does it sound to set In-Process, self-assign, upload patch, set confirmed, assign to none, subscribe some team.  The only gap here is that the team that would turn these patches into debdiffs doesn't exist (or I don't know it).  ubuntu-universe-sponsors needs debdiffs, so there needs to be an intermediate level.
[04:38] <sfllaw> pochu: k5 for the win -> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935
[04:39] <pochu> sfllaw: i'm taking a look :D
[04:39] <sfllaw> persia: I'd probably do something like ask people to attach these patches to the bug.
[04:39] <sfllaw> persia: Then find a developer who can look at it.
[04:39] <sfllaw> persia: I haven't thought about it much though...
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80738 in gdm (main) "gdmsetup fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80738
[04:42] <persia> sfllaw: OK.  New revision: self assign in-progress, upload patch, unassign confirmed, ask a developer to review the patch.
[04:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80739 in python-bibtex (universe) "Package uninstallable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80739
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80740 in scribus (main) "crashes on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80740
[04:58] <pochu> sfllaw: I've looked that about screen, but you are running your laptop 24 hours, aren't you?
[04:58] <pochu> sfllaw: isn't that bad for a laptop?
[04:59] <persia> pochu: If you have a shell account on a server running 24 hours, you can run screen there, and attach/detach from local computers when you are present (of course Simon may not be doing this...)
[05:00] <pochu> oh, on a server!
[05:00] <pochu> now I understand
[05:00] <pochu> :D
[05:00] <pochu> it was just curiosity
[05:01] <sfllaw> pochu: That's exactly it.
[05:01] <persia> sfllaw: I'm to bed, but I've updated Bugs/HowToFix with notes on interacting with Malone.  Please modify further if you think it is appropriate.  There is some drafting happening from the MOTUs regarding guidance on how to generate debdiffs for submission, and I'll add a link to that once it is published.
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80742 in speedcrunch (main) "Speedcrunch crashes on Kubuntu after evaluation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80742
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80743 in Ubuntu "archive an archive error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80743
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80744 in gedit (main) "Gedit hungs after trying to save to another location" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80744
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80745 in gtk+2.0 (main) "accelerator keys gets 2 chars instead of one" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80745
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80746 in gnome-utils (main) "[baobab]  add options to analyse by filesystem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80746
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80747 in firefox (main) ""save as" dialog missing items" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80747
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80748 in Ubuntu "can't log into gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80748
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80749 in galago-gtk-python (universe) "unmet deps on feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80749
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80750 in Ubuntu "Firefox suddenly crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80750
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80751 in totem (main) "Crash while playing DVD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80751
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80752 in smart (universe) "[Feisty]  Smart crashed on login to gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80752
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80753 in synaptic (main) "Synaptic doesn't assume root-priviledges when needed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80753
[06:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80754 in gaim (main) "Crash when stopping the display of chat rooms" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80754
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80755 in file-roller (main) "extracting doesn't work right" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80755
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80756 in network-manager (main) "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80756
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80757 in autofs (main) "missing dependency on nfs-common" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80757
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80758 in nautilus (main) "video thumbnails no longer work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80758
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80759 in alleyoop (universe) "alleyoop crashed on first run after install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80759
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73460 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Network interfaces keeps changing around..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73460
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80761 in Ubuntu "A problem occurred in a Python script: UnicodeDecodeError'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 51: ordinal not in range(128)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80761
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80762 in flumotion (universe) "crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80762
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80763 in xorg (main) "Feisty Herd 2 LiveCD crashes with 3dfx video card" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80763
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80764 in compiz (universe) "can't return to normal window manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80764
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80765 in Ubuntu "6.10 Installer refuses due to xfs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80765
[08:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80766 in j2se1.4-amd64 (multiverse) "j2se1.4-amd64 jre crashes when running azureus <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80766
[08:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80767 in firefox (main) "epiphany (and firefox) crashes on a web page since last update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80767
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80768 in mozilla-stumbleupon (universe) "Broken Dependencies (thunderbird>2.0)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80768
[08:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80769 in thunar (main) "No progress indicator on long file operations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80769
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80770 in gajim (universe) "gajim reconnects when wifi returns even it it wasn't connected before" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80770
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80771 in gaim (main) "[German]  Error-message: "Kann nicht hinzufgen" when connecting to ICQ" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80771
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76354 in ffmpeg (universe) "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=risky should enable x264" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76354
[09:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80772 in emacs21 (main) "Emacs crash quitting slime" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80772
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80773 in system-config-printer (main) "system-config-printer does not start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80773
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80774 in ipe (universe) "Depends on tetex explicitly, not installable with textlive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80774
[09:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80775 in file-roller (main) "file-roller doesn't work with unace-nonfree" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80775
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80776 in gaim (main) "Gaim is not built with NetworkManager support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80776
[10:44] <pochu> #80776
[10:44] <pochu> bug #80776
[10:44] <tsmithe> bug 80776
[10:44] <pochu> tsmithe, the Bot isn't here
[10:44] <tsmithe> i think Ubugtu isn't here ;)
[10:44] <tsmithe> yeah
[10:44] <pochu> hey!
[10:44] <pochu> :D
[10:44] <tsmithe> :)
[10:44] <pochu> tsmithe, and where has gone the bot?
[10:45] <pochu> :S
[10:45] <pochu> ^_^
[10:45] <tsmithe> Seveas has taken it down for emergency tuning
[10:45] <pochu> ok
[10:45] <coNP> oh, poor Ubugtu
[10:45] <pochu> :(
[10:45] <pochu> then i'll go to launchpad
[10:45] <pochu> tsmithe: thanks
[10:45] <Seveas> root@binaries4all:~ # mdadm --detail /dev/md0 | grep -i rebuild
[10:45] <Seveas>  Rebuild Status : 65% complete
[10:46] <Seveas> takes a while...
[10:46] <coNP> Seveas: is it the computer that hosts Ubugtu?
[10:46] <Seveas> yes
[10:46] <tsmithe> md0?
[10:46] <Seveas> raid
[10:46] <tsmithe> ah
[10:47] <tsmithe> something go wrong?
[10:47] <Seveas> yup
[10:47] <Seveas> a stupid bug in planetplanet caused it to take 100% cpu
[10:47] <Seveas> a new planet process is start3ed every 20 minutes
[10:47] <pochu> lol
[10:48] <tsmithe> dear dear
[10:48] <Seveas> after a few hours, server was unreachable
[10:48] <Seveas> so it was powercycled, damaging the raid
[10:48] <coNP> no magic SysRq any more?
[10:48] <tsmithe> lucky you have raid, i guess
[10:48] <Seveas> root@binaries4all:~ # mdadm --detail /dev/md0 | grep -i rebuild
[10:48] <Seveas>  Rebuild Status : 71% complete
[10:48] <tsmithe> binaries4all :D
[10:48] <Seveas> coNP, it's a colo box...
[10:49] <Seveas> if you can't ssh into it, you powercycle
[10:49] <Seveas> nothing else one can do :)
[10:49] <coNP> no keyboard at all?
[10:49] <tsmithe> my server doesn't have a keyboard
[10:49] <coNP> or no one that can access it
[10:49] <Seveas> it's miles away from me....
[10:50] <Seveas> would be a hell of a keyboard wire...
[10:50] <coNP> but how do you powercycle
[10:50] <tsmithe> how do you powercycle it then?
[10:50] <coNP> :)
[10:50] <tsmithe> *high-five*!!
[10:50] <Seveas> log in to ups, tell ups to powercycle it
[10:50] <tsmithe> Seveas, aah
[10:50] <tsmithe> clever
[10:50] <coNP> okay you won :)
[10:51] <coNP> but was there no one near the machine?
[10:51] <Seveas> root@binaries4all:~ # mdadm --detail /dev/md0 | grep -i rebuild
[10:51] <Seveas>  Rebuild Status : 78% complete
[10:52] <Seveas> coNP, sure, but that costs 45
[10:52] <tsmithe> woah
[10:52] <coNP> I see
[10:52] <coNP> sorry for stupid questions :)
[10:52] <Seveas> and they also can only flick the power switch
[10:52] <Seveas> I'm not giving random people access to the machine....
[10:53] <Seveas> actually, reboot service now is free, old colo facility was expensive
[10:53] <Seveas> but logging itto the ups is just as free :)
[10:53] <Seveas> and much quicker
[10:53] <coNP> :)
[10:54] <tsmithe> what is colo?
[10:54] <Seveas> colocation
[10:54] <Seveas> means putting your server in someone elses rack
[10:55] <Seveas> so you don't need to rent a complete rack and deal with the data\ouse provider
[10:57] <Seveas> 88% now
[10:59] <tsmithe> Seveas, cool
[10:59] <tsmithe> are datahouse providers nasty to deal with?
[11:02] <Seveas> tsmithe, just expensive (no need to rent a complete rack for 1 server)
[11:02] <tsmithe> oh ok
[11:03] <tsmithe> i just have my server at home on the dsl line :P
[11:03] <tsmithe> but then i don't use any bandwidth
[11:03] <tsmithe> or load
[11:03] <pochu> Seveas: (just curiosity): does that server just host the irc bots, or what more?
[11:03] <Seveas> pochu, a lot more
[11:03] <tsmithe> my server: "load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00" :P
[11:03] <Seveas> all of *.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:03] <Seveas> and binaries4all (a rather large forum)
[11:04] <pochu> binaries4all?
[11:04] <Seveas> and mail for those things
[11:04] <coNP> pouchu: did you get into the bugsquad?
[11:04] <pochu> yes, yesterday night!
[11:04] <pochu> :D
[11:05] <Seveas>     Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
[11:05] <Seveas>        0       8       19        0      active sync   /dev/sdb3
[11:05] <Seveas>        1       8        3        1      active sync   /dev/sda3
[11:05] <Seveas> woohoo :)
[11:06] <pochu> Seveas: now bring Ubugtu to the life
[11:06] <pochu> :D
[11:06] <Seveas> pochu, it's coming to life...
[11:06] <Seveas> they join many channels
[11:06] <pochu> wei!
[11:07] <pochu> :D
[11:07] <pochu> bug 1
[11:07] <Seveas> so they'll be unresponsive for a few minutes (massive initial lag)
[11:07] <tsmithe> ah ok
[11:07] <pochu> ah ok
[11:07] <pochu> :D
[11:07] <pochu> lol
[11:07] <tsmithe> *high five*!!
[11:07] <tsmithe> again!
[11:07] <pochu> it's the second
[11:07] <Seveas> it takes them about 3 to 4 minutes to get completely lag free
[11:07] <pochu> ^_^
[11:08] <pochu> then we'll wait
[11:08] <coNP> Seveas: what, hard drives?
[11:08] <Seveas> no, the bots :)
[11:08] <coNP> okay :)
[11:08] <coNP> welcome back, Ubugtu :)
[11:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[11:09] <pochu> :D
[11:10] <tsmithe> ichthux??
[11:10] <pochu> it's on a lot of distros
[11:10] <pochu> i think
[11:10] <coNP> I guess, Ubugtu only searches for the first distribution, and i(chtux) < u(buntu)
[11:11] <pochu> but it is also at baltix
[11:11] <pochu> but baltix is upstream
[11:12] <pochu> sorry
[11:12] <pochu> baltix is distro
[11:12] <pochu> ichtus is upstream
[11:12] <pochu> ichthux
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80780 in gnome-system-monitor (main) "uses unusual units to report memory and disk sizes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80780
[11:16] <pochu> hey, should I close bug 80782?
[11:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80782 in beryl-settings "beryl crashes on start up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80782
[11:16] <pochu> beryl isn't in feisty yet, so it is upstream
[11:16] <Seveas> pochu, ichtix is a distro as well :)
[11:17] <pochu> Seveas: ok, but then why it says upstream?
[11:17] <pochu> Sorry for my English
[11:17] <pochu> :(
[11:17] <pochu> why does it say upstream?
[11:18] <Seveas> pochu, launchpad weirdness :)
[11:20] <pochu> Seveas: ok
[11:20] <pochu> Seveas: should I close bug 80782?
[11:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80782 in beryl-settings "beryl crashes on start up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80782
[11:20] <tsmithe> pochu, yeah close it
[11:20] <pochu>  beryl isn't in feisty yet, so it is upstream
[11:21] <tsmithe> i dealt with another the other day
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80782 in beryl-settings (universe) "beryl crashes on start up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80782
[11:21] <tsmithe> i just pointed the guy to the upstream tracker
[11:21] <pochu> ok
[11:21] <gnomefreak> pochu: yes it is
[11:21] <gnomefreak> beryl 1.4 is in feisty repos iirc
[11:22] <pochu> ah ok
[11:22] <pochu> that's new!
[11:22] <gnomefreak> 0.1.4~0beryl1 0
[11:22] <pochu> isn`t it?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> early this week maybe last week
[11:22] <ringdonut> Hello?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> hi
[11:23] <Seveas> !info beryl feisty
[11:23] <pochu> gnomefreak: and what about beryl-core?
[11:23] <ubotu> Package beryl does not exist in feisty
[11:23] <gnomefreak> pochu: all beryl packages are there
[11:23] <pochu> !info beryl-manager feisty
[11:23] <ubotu> beryl-manager: Tray application launcher tool for Beryl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.2-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 37 kB, installed size 352 kB
[11:23] <pochu> !info beryl-core feisty
[11:23] <ubotu> Package beryl-core does not exist in feisty
[11:23] <pochu> 0.1.2
[11:23] <pochu> for manager
[11:23] <pochu> core isn't there
[11:24] <gnomefreak> 0.1.4~0beryl1 0 500 http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org feisty/main Packages
[11:24] <gnomefreak> thats for beryl core
[11:24] <gnomefreak> pochu: apt-cache policy beryl-core
[11:24] <pochu> but that's upstream, isn't it?
[11:24] <gnomefreak> oh yes it is crap
[11:24] <pochu> emilio@kiko:~$ apt-cache policy beryl-core
[11:24] <pochu> beryl-core:
[11:24] <pochu>   Instalados: (ninguno)
[11:24] <pochu>   Candidato: (ninguno)
[11:24] <gnomefreak> that means its still ftb
[11:25] <pochu> ftb?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> fail to build
[11:25] <pochu> ah ok
[11:25] <gnomefreak> failing to build
[11:25] <pochu> then should i close the bug?
[11:25] <pochu> i'm confused!
[11:25] <pochu> :D
[11:25] <gnomefreak> pochu: not yet ill look at it this week
[11:25] <pochu> ok
[11:26] <pochu> do you want me to suscribe you?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> no i got it
[11:26] <gnomefreak> ty
[11:26] <pochu> ok
[11:27] <pochu> and can you look at Bug 80778
[11:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80778 in compiz "compiz does not show window boards or the cube" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80778
[11:28] <gnomefreak> im betting the one i just looked at was beta1
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80786 in streamtuner (universe) "Streamtuner in need of defaults change" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80786
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80787 in openoffice.org (main) "Open office.org crashed when impress exported to ppt" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80787
[11:30] <gnomefreak> pochu: that last bug you by chance?
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80785 in imgseek (universe) "pyqt error on mouse multiple selects" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80785
[11:31] <pochu> gnomefreak: what?
[11:31] <jikanter> no, that's me
[11:31] <gnomefreak> jikanter: move the window away from the panels does it show boarders than
[11:31] <gnomefreak> jikanter: also why mention the cube in title but not in bug report
[11:32] <Jozo-> !info libpqxx feisty
[11:32] <ubotu> Package libpqxx does not exist in feisty
[11:32] <Jozo-> !info libpqxx-dev feisty
[11:32] <ubotu> libpqxx-dev: C++ library to connect to PostgreSQL (development files). In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.8-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1430 kB, installed size 8992 kB
[11:32] <boggle> !info vlc
[11:32] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[11:33] <jikanter> gnomefreak: cube?
[11:33] <pochu> gnomefreak: i have also that bug with compiz, and with a smaller window I don't have also the borders
[11:33] <gnomefreak> jikanter: im talking about the compiz bug i was looking at
[11:34] <jikanter> oh, sorry
[11:34] <jikanter> the one came in just now was mine
[11:34] <gnomefreak> pochu: can you move the window away from panels does it than show the boarders
[11:34] <pochu> i'm going to see
[11:34] <gnomefreak> jikanter: the libpq one?
[11:34] <pochu> i can move it
[11:34] <pochu> can't move it
[11:34] <jikanter> no, 80785
[11:34] <pochu> i'm trying to move the panel
[11:34] <gnomefreak> pochu: press alt and use left mouse button to drag it
[11:35] <gnomefreak> the window not the panel
[11:35] <pochu> how can I move the window if I don't have borders?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> pochu: hold down the alt key and left click and drag the window to center of screen
[11:36] <pochu> ah ok!
[11:36] <gnomefreak> boarders?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> btw its been like that since 0.3.3
[11:37] <pochu> i'm opening compiz with desktop-effects
[11:37] <pochu> is that fine?
[11:37] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:37] <gnomefreak> bbs Dinner
[11:38] <pochu> gnomefreak: with compiz I can't move with alt+left click
[11:39] <davmor2> pochu are you on the open window?
[11:40] <pochu> open window?
[11:40] <pochu> emilio@kiko:~$ desktop-effects
[11:40] <pochu> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b
[11:40] <pochu> compiz.real: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not supported by direct rendering context, trying indirect rendering context instead
[11:40] <pochu> compiz.real: No stencil buffer. Clipping of transformed windows is not going to be correct when screen is transformed.
[11:40] <pochu> compiz.real: Couldn't load plugin '--use-cow'
[11:40] <pochu> compiz.real: 'rotate' plugin must be loaded after 'cube' plugin
[11:40] <pochu> compiz.real: Can't activate 'rotate' plugin due to dependency problems
[11:40] <pochu> compiz.real: Failed to load slide: /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/ubuntu
[11:40] <pochu> compiz.real: Failed to load slide: /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/ubuntu.png
[11:40] <pochu> emilio@kiko:~$
[11:40] <pochu> that's the output
[11:40] <pochu> compiz.real: Can't activate 'rotate' plugin due to dependency problems
[11:41] <pochu> dependency problems?
[11:43] <davmor2> have you got compiz-gnome or gnome-compiz installed?
[11:45] <pochu> yes, i have compiz-gnome
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80788 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes with flashplayer sites" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80788
[11:45] <pochu> compiz-gnome   0.3.6-1ubuntu1
[11:46] <pochu> there is no border
[11:46] <pochu> if I move the panel to other side
[11:46] <pochu> I see the screensaver instead of the window border
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80789 in sbackup (universe) "sbackup crashes while converting old backup files to new format" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80789
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80790 in amarok (main) "amarock crashed while removing mp3 files from the playlist." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80790
[11:53] <pochu> so can I do something with the compiz bug?