[00:01] <gamester> nacc: ok, thanks. Looks like those are a blend of canonical employees and people working in their free time?
[00:02] <nacc> gamester: correct
[00:19] <JonelethIrenicus> so unity 8 is a bust?
[00:20] <implite>  "We can anticipate that unity will go to community support . If ya like it support it ."
[00:34] <JonelethIrenicus> implite: I donated directly to Canonical before, who would I donate to now?
[00:37] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: it only was announced today, i'm sure there will be fallout, just give it some time
[00:37] <ScioMin> Hi. I have a PC with a SSD and a HDD. I want install Ubuntu 16.04 in the SSD and Windows 10 in the HDD. How should I do this? Install Windows first then Ubuntu? Should the MBR/Grub be installed in the SSD?
[00:37] <ScioMin> I always manage to srew this process somehow. :(
[00:38] <kenrin> Are you doing EFI ?
[00:38] <ScioMin> kenrin, I don't think I am.
[00:38] <kenrin> Windows first,  put grub on the first connected drive
[00:39] <ScioMin> First connected drive is the SSD. Will Windows install in the HDD still?
[00:39] <kenrin> It'll install whereever you tell it to
[00:40] <implite> take out ssd and install the windows on the hdd first
[00:41] <implite> then put in ssd and install linux
[00:41] <ScioMin> Ahh thanks! I'll start backing up current Windows and preparing the USB with Windows setup.
[00:47] <verbal>  thelinuxlink.net
[00:48] <ScioMin> implite, actually i just found out UEFI is on. I'm reading mobo's manual if I can turn if off. Do I need to turn it off?
[00:48] <kenrin> nah,  you do need to disable secure boot though
[00:48] <Bashing-om> !dualboot | ScioMin
[00:48] <ScioMin> kenrin, ty search that option in mobo manual. ty Bashing-om
[00:56] <Guest82194> Hey. I am trying to setup winehq and play on linux. What's the easiest way to approach that?
[00:58] <Bashing-om> ScioMin: If I may, for the unexperienced - 1st time install, remove the drive for Windows and in the ubuntu installed choose " wipe disk and install ubuntu ' let the wizard make all the difficult choices . reconnect the windows after ubuntu is installed and run ' sudo update-grub ' to chainload Windows to ubuntu's grub ( leaving Windows boot code alone ) .
[00:59] <ScioMin> Bashing-om, seems like a safe way! Thank you!
[00:59] <Guest82194> Hey. I am trying to setup winehq and play on linux. What's the easiest way to approach that?
[01:00] <OerHeks> sudo apt install playonlinux
[01:01] <Guest82194> I was hoping for a method that didn't tie up my terminal. When you do that, can't you not use the terminal for anything else:
[01:01] <Guest82194> ?
[01:01] <Guest82194> Like it runs through that terminal right?
[01:01] <kenrin> What?
[01:01] <OerHeks> oh dear, what an issue ..
[01:01] <Guest82194> lol
[01:01] <Guest82194> Am I wrong?
[01:01] <OerHeks> use softwarecenter then?
[01:02] <kenrin> that is just the install,  it'll make a shortcut in your menu
[01:02] <Guest82194> is it on there?
[01:02] <OerHeks> !info playonlinux
[01:02] <kenrin> You could always use & at the end of a command to run in background too
[01:03] <Guest82194> Okay it is. thanks. How can tell the version though? I think they are up to 2.5 right?
[01:03] <Guest82194> thanks ken
[01:03] <Guest82194> I didn't know that.
[01:04] <Guest82194> I mean that. ;)
[01:07] <M2F> list
[01:08] <Bashing-om> !alis | M2F
[01:14] <swfsdf> So
[01:14] <swfsdf> Not sure where to ask this.
[01:14] <swfsdf> Lets say I have a dedicated server.
[01:14] <swfsdf> I want to break it up into VM's
[01:14] <swfsdf> How could I assign these VM's a public facing ip
[01:18] <tgm4883> swfsdf: public IP? That would depend on how you have your network setup
[01:36] <histo> nsss: you would assign them virtual nics that get public IPs
[01:46] <guitarman_> http://www.jide.com/remixos-for-pc
[01:47] <guitarman_> anyone use android / linux or ubuntu?
[01:48] <guitarman_> android for your pc i guess
[01:48] <dkg_ctc> I've run Android under Bluestacks on Windows, but never Android as the base OS.
[01:52] <guitarman_> just curious. going install on a stick first to try
[01:53] <guitarman_> install a distro couple years ago but issues running current versions of apps would not up drate
[01:53] <guitarman_> date
[01:53] <guitarman_> ty
[01:59] <mr28> Good Morning!!!
[02:00] <mr28> Hello Everyone!!!
[02:02] <thingfish> mr28: don't be friendly or happy on IRC.  No one will take you seriously.  :P
[02:05] <trurl> ?
[02:14] <mo1991reg> can someone who is running ubuntu 16.10 give show me the output of gtk-window-decorator --help
[02:18] <kali_> hello, is there anyone who can help me with an updating software issue?
[02:19] <plgnet> kali_: well whats the exact issue?
[02:20] <mo1991reg> ??   nobody running 16.10?
[02:21] <plgnet> mo1991reg: can you repeat your issue i might be able to help
[02:22] <kali_> Whenever I try to update "update-manager-core" I get the response that it's already the most up to date. But when I try to update "update-notifier-common", it says it's can't because of dependencies, being 1:16.04.6+zorin1. Apt-get says I have version 1:16.04.5+zorin1 and it's most up to date.
[02:22] <Ben64> mo1991reg: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/yakkety/man1/gtk-window-decorator.1.html
[02:22] <mo1991reg> plgnet - I'd just like for you to show me the output of the command "gtk-window-decorator --help"
[02:22] <Ben64> kali_: seems like you're using not ubuntu, so you should find the support channel for your distribution
[02:22] <mo1991reg> looking to see what options it is compiled with in ubuntu
[02:23] <kali_> Ben64: Well it's sources are all ubuntu
[02:23] <mo1991reg> Ben64 - I am looking for the output of the command with the --help option so I can see if it is compiled with metacity support
[02:23] <Ben64> kali_: sorry but it isn't supported here
[02:24] <kali_> Ben64: Where should I ask?
[02:24] <plgnet> me
[02:24] <plgnet> pm
[02:24] <Ben64> depends on what distro you're using, they probably have a support channel
[02:25] <mo1991reg> plgnet - can you run the command?
[02:27] <mo1991reg> or is anyone here running 16.10 that can run the command "gtk-window-decorator --help" and post the output here?
[02:28] <Mylon> Oh my god... I tried to run Amarok and now my computer is super slow to do anything.
[02:29] <Ben64> mo1991reg: supports metacity
[02:29] <mo1991reg> can you paste the output here?
[02:29] <Ben64> nope
[02:29] <mo1991reg> Ben64???
[02:30] <mo1991reg> how come?
[02:30] <Ben64> because i don't have 16.10 and didn't run the command you wanted
[02:31] <mo1991reg> for example.   the command when I run it gives - gtk-window-decorator [--minimal] [--replace] [--blur none|titlebar|all] [--help]
[02:32] <mo1991reg> as you can see it says nothing about metacity support.     This is what debian stretch gives.   I know ubuntu does support metacity themes, and I'm told that command I gave should show that with the output including metacity
[02:32] <mo1991reg> Ben64 - cool
[02:33] <mo1991reg> this channel sure seems dead for having so many people in it :)
[02:33] <Ben64> people don't talk unless asking or answering a question
[02:34] <Mylon> My computer is incredibly slow now and I ran "htop" but I no CPU is above 6%.
[02:36] <Ben64> Mylon: could be out of memory, could be due to IO, could be something else
[02:36] <Ben64> mo1991reg: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/282267025/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.compiz_1%3A<IP_ADDRESS>+16.10.20160818.2-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[02:36] <Mylon> Memory is 2.7/3.5G
[02:36] <Mylon> It all started when I tried to launch Amarok.  But as far as I can tell it's not running anymore.
[02:37] <Ben64> how did you install amarok
[02:37] <Mylon> It was part of my distro.
[02:37] <Ben64> which distro is that
[02:37] <Mylon> Kubunu, I think.
[02:38] <Mylon> 16.04?
[02:38] <Ben64> is everything still slow
[02:39] <Mylon> I'm closing firefox tabs and it's getting better slowly.
[02:39] <mo1991reg> Ben64.   anyway to see that same report with how compiz was built on debian stretch?   Both use the same version of compiz but I'm thinking the debian version did not compile with metacity support.   Just trying to verify before I go through the headache of re-compiling
[02:39] <Mylon> Maybe a firefox tab went haywire and started doing stuff.
[02:39] <Ben64> mo1991reg: #debian is the place to ask about debian stuff
[02:40] <Ben64> Mylon: firefox is pretty heavy
[02:40] <Mylon> But not sure why it wouldn't show up as CPU usage.
[02:40] <Ben64> for me it eats up all my ram and gets lame
[02:40] <Mylon> When I have like 150 firefox tabs open, my graphics starts to glitch out.
[02:41] <Ben64> i bet
[02:41] <orkan> did you count all the tabs?
[02:41] <Mylon> Like my screen will go black and I'll see in the topleft something about xscreensaver failing to get the screen or something.
[02:41] <Mylon> When I try to close the window, Firefox tells me how many tabs I have open.
[02:41] <orkan> how much RAM do you have? O.o
[02:41] <Mylon> 3.5gigs.
[02:41] <orkan> 150 is a lot lol
[02:42] <Mylon> The other 0.5 gigs is in the integrated graphics, probably.
[02:42] <Ben64> should turn off hardware acceleration in firefox if that's enabled
[02:43] <Mylon> That might make youtube unplayable.
[02:43] <orkan> i remember when i had like 8gb ram, my browser stopped loading new tabs after about 30, twitch.tv tabs mind you. if i continued i got a crash report
[02:44] <mo1991reg> Ben64 - what version of ubuntu are you running?
[02:44] <nsss> GUYS.
[02:44] <nsss> Unity is dead?!
[02:44] <orkan> yea Gnome as standard DE after 18.04 yey
[02:44] <nsss> oh god.
[02:44] <nsss> why.
[02:44] <orkan> using Ubuntu Gnome anyway, happy times
[02:45] <nsss> Unity was absolute cancer but Gnome...
[02:45] <nsss> Why can't we just get a normal desktop GUI?
[02:45] <orkan> nobody wanted to use the mobile and desktop version of Ubuntu, so the scrapped the project
[02:45] <Ben64> mo1991reg: 14.04
[02:45] <orkan> normal? like windows?
[02:45] <nsss> Windows, mac
[02:45] <nsss> not a touchscreen DE for a deskto...
[02:45] <mo1991reg> Ben64 can you show me the output of "gtk-window-manager --help" for that version?
[02:46] <Mylon> I swapped from KDE to XFCE.
[02:46] <Ben64> mo1991reg: dude just go through the build logs and stuff, metacity is in there
[02:46] <Mylon> Because Gnome would glitch out like crazy on me.
[02:46] <orkan> sorry, i meant mobile and touchpad, not desktop
[02:46] <Mylon> Or KDE would rather.
[02:46] <nsss> wew
[02:46] <nsss> jesus.
[02:46] <manzana> hi
[02:46] <nsss> They're still insisitng on Mir over Wayland
[02:46] <mo1991reg> Ben64 - I can't do that for debian.   I'd appreciate it if you would just run the command so I could double check it is different than mine
[02:47] <Ben64> mo1991reg: it is
[02:47] <Mylon> I'm pretty sure I have a buggy graphics driver for this computer...
[02:48] <orkan> if you want a windows version of Ubuntu just get Lubuntu or Xubuntu
[02:48] <Mylon> The display won't work on a fresh boot until I wait for the screenscaver to activate.
[02:48] <nsss> orkan: ubuntu mate
[02:48] <Ben64> Mylon: what video card
[02:48] <Mylon> Ben64: I dunno, some AMD APU.
[02:48] <Ben64> yeah those aren't the best for linux
[02:49] <nsss> So
[02:49] <nsss> Who here has worked with OVH?
[02:49] <Mylon> I wouldn't even know how to get Win7 back on this computer.  I lost my old win7 thumbstick drive.
[02:50] <orkan> well you certainly can't buy a new windows 7 copy
[02:52] <orkan> on the bright side, i read not too long ago, few days at tops on /r/linux AMD is considering going open source
[02:52] <orkan> they're holding meetings about it
[02:55] <orkan> but really, with Ubuntu going full circle back to Gnome, I wonder what will become of the Ubuntu Gnome project
[02:56] <xangua> Will be the main one again?
[02:56] <orkan> i'd lose all interest in working on it knowing it will become redundant in a short time
[02:57] <orkan> that's how it works? they just pull everyone working on ubuntu gnome in to the cononical team?
[02:57] <OerHeks> orkan, amdGPu is opensource...
[02:58] <orkan> OerHeks, well perhaps it was something else, i'll see if i can find it
[02:59] <orkan> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/63hca0/update_more_details_on_amds_investigation_into/
[03:00] <orkan> well it was the psp, i didn't really read too much since i don't use amd
[03:02] <orkan> looks relevant though
[03:02] <nagerst> I just did a upgrade to xenial, and was horrified that it had ignored my /etc/apt/preferences.d/ files and installed stuff that i had blacklisted. This always used to work before, and how is it handled nowdays? for example if i want to blacklist a certain library.
[03:02] <Ben64> nagerst: uninstall it
[03:03] <nagerst> Ben64: i tried, but then it tries to remove the entire system with it.
[03:03] <Ben64> pastebin the full output
[03:04] <nagerst> that is not the problem however. I want to be able to blacklist packages.
[03:05] <Ben64> welp i can't help you then
[03:05] <nagerst> and it worked from hardy until trusty at least with the regular method. Xenial however seems to ignore it. Perhaps it is something with the multiarch change so the preferences.d files have to look different.
[03:05] <OerHeks> if those packages are dependencies, you will need to blacklist them again after distro upgrade i guess
[03:06] <OerHeks> multiarch could be involved too, who knows without the blacklisted package
[03:07] <nagerst> before i could do: echo -e '\nPackage: PACKAGENAME:amd64\nPin: origin ""\nPin-Priority: -1' >> /etc/apt/preferences.d/pinned
[03:08] <implite> I like to use virtual box for vm but I want to try something with VMware workstation player, is that hard to install in ubuntu?
[03:08] <implite> What is a bundle file?
[03:10] <OerHeks> implite, vmware is not opensource, but they provide instructions and support http://partnerweb.vmware.com/GOSIG/Ubuntu_16_04_LTS.html
[03:10] <implite> ah ok thanks
[03:11] <OerHeks> .bundle seems to be just another container
[03:11] <implite> can it be used like a deb?
[03:12] <OerHeks> no
[03:17] <implite> Description
[03:17] <implite> VMware Workstation 12.5.5 Pro and VMware Workstation 12.5.5 Player Open Source Components
[03:17] <implite> looks like they have some opensource
[03:18] <OerHeks> "components", not the whole oracle blob
[03:18] <OerHeks> c/ binairy blob
[03:19] <MrSNES> What flag do I need to set to have the folder's owner take ownership of any file copied into that folder. I've done chmod g+s and chmod u+s but only the group takes ownership of any new files.
[03:25] <implite> kk, sudo sh *filename*.bundle
[03:25] <implite> that was what i was looking for
[03:27] <jak> herrrow
[03:33] <jak> hellow
[03:35] <jak> does anyone know if gimp comes preloaded into ubuntu mate 15.1?
[03:36] <Ben64> ubuntu 15.10 is no longer supported
[03:37] <jak> what do you mean? not supported?
[03:38] <energizer> a lot of my system menus are squashed, like this. https://imgur.com/a/dZ9vt What's going on?
[03:39] <energizer> Looks like the menu formatting's just totally gone
[03:40] <Ben64> jak: ubuntu 15.10 was supported for 9 months, ending July of last year. It is no longer safe to use.
[03:42] <jak> that explains why my computer is glithing out
[03:49] <B105PH3RE> any bluetooth savy people here need some help, i'm trying to transfer file over bluetooth from phone but I can't get put on ubuntu accept file transfer or anything and it fails but I can tranfser other way around.
[03:50] <B105PH3RE> Maybe i'm not clear I'm not getting popup on bluetooth-applet for accepting the file transfer
[03:51] <B105PH3RE> device is paired and everything and trusted with xubuntu 16.04
[03:52] <GreeningGalaxy> B105PH3RE: I wish I had an answer for you other than "I get that too and it sucks" but that's all I got. :(
[03:52] <B105PH3RE> wel thats sucks
[03:53] <GreeningGalaxy> Linux bluetooth support is a source of infinite sadness
[03:53] <B105PH3RE> well thats gotta be away found stuff on obexftp
[03:53] <B105PH3RE> but I want a gui interefae
[03:53] <B105PH3RE> it works on ubuntu 16.04
[03:53] <B105PH3RE> just not xubunut
[03:53] <B105PH3RE> might try lubunutu then and see it that works
[03:54] <B105PH3RE> gonna try a live distro too but this is weird also... anyone know how to change the window decoration on the indicator applet... mine changed and I want the original theme back
[03:54] <GreeningGalaxy> Whenever I want to toss a file from my phone to my laptop I use KDE Connect, but that's annoyingly confined to the KDE garden
[03:54] <B105PH3RE> the popups
[03:55] <B105PH3RE> is it possible with bluetoothctl command line
[03:55] <GreeningGalaxy> bluetoothctl is horrifying, I never use it if I can possibly avoid it
[03:55] <GreeningGalaxy> my experience with bluetoothctl is that everything will work exactly once, on the first try, and then never again.
[03:55] <B105PH3RE> i'm sure its related to blueman-applet
[03:55] <B105PH3RE> its the one responsible for the popups
[03:56] <B105PH3RE> correct me if i'm wrong...
[03:59] <B105PH3RE> thx for the help GreeningGalaxy
[04:00] <GreeningGalaxy> lol I didn't provide much help
[04:01] <B105PH3RE> found this article https://www.garron.me/en/go2linux/how-transfer-files-bluetooth-linux.html would be good if your sshing GreeningGalaxy
[04:01] <B105PH3RE> Any input is help in my opinion unless its not related the issue...  I found my old shogo disc so i installed it, however, when i try to launch it, it flatout says the file im launching does not exist. even though I know for a fact it does, i think this means it is missing libraries, but I don't know how to check what libraries i am missing, any help would be appreciated
[05:15] <shogo> I think there was a command to debug this, but I don't remember the command, or if it was a just my imagination and im misremembering something
[05:21] <shogo> any ideas, anyone? this isn't something that'd be program specific, honestly, i dont know why it doesnt say what it's actually missing
[05:24] <Ben64> shogo: what is shogo disc
[05:26] <shogo> a disc for a game called shogo mobile armor division, Ben64
[05:27] <Ben64> well you'd have to ask the people who made it then i suppose
[05:27] <shogo> the game is 14 years old
[05:28] <Mikelevel> i played shogo
[05:28] <abstradelic> greetings all
[05:28] <Mikelevel> my first online shooter
[05:28] <Ben64> this channel only supports ubuntu and the software in the software center
[05:33] <wadadli> 6 and a half hours into my memory test lol
[05:36] <Prelude2004c> hey everyone.. something weird here
[05:37] <Prelude2004c> using virtualbox and added 8 network adapters because the guest machine can only see 1 eth0 interface and i needed to load balance the traffic through multiple CPUs to get more throughput
[05:37] <Prelude2004c> i managed to add 8 adatpers and got htem all to show up and bonded the connection and all is well
[05:37] <Prelude2004c> the problem is.. of the 8 , 1 set of 4 have their on IRQ
[05:37] <Prelude2004c> the other 4 jumped onto the smame one.. so each IRQ has 2 adapters
[05:38] <Prelude2004c> anyone know why that is ? is there some way to force them to their own IRQs ?
[05:38] <ivan> why do you need 8 network adapters on a guest?
[05:39] <ivan> you know you can have more than one IP per interface, right
[05:39] <Prelude2004c> because the /proc/interupts only shows 1 eth0
[05:40] <Prelude2004c> thus having it all on one CPU
[05:40] <Prelude2004c> yes, not about IPS.. its about balancing the load on all the cores
[05:40] <Prelude2004c> for some reason a guest machine on virtualbox doesn't show the cards multithreaded cores
[05:41] <ivan> are you sending multiple gigabits into a virtualbox guest?
[05:41] <Prelude2004c> nots ure why.. so when i download 50Mbit/s the cpu cores goes really high
[05:41] <alkisg> Prelude2004c: one virtio net adapter can transfer more than 2 Gbps with no real CPU load
[05:41] <Prelude2004c> interface is only 1 GIG .. but it can't handle it
[05:41] <ivan> that seems like a bug, it should be able to handle 50Mbit/s
[05:41] <alkisg> I'm not sure how balancing would increase bandwidth there
[05:41] <Ben64> yeah none of this makes any sense
[05:42] <Prelude2004c> virtio net adapter ?  i have it set to bridge adapter
[05:42] <alkisg> What card are you emulating? Intel? Virtio?
[05:42] <alkisg> pcnet?
[05:42] <Prelude2004c> well its an intel card
[05:43] <alkisg> The virtual one, right?
[05:43] <alkisg> That imposes an additional software stack for the emulation
[05:43] <Prelude2004c> well i am running windows as my main host.. then used virtualbox to create ubuntu guests
[05:43] <alkisg> While if you use virtio adapter, it has less overhead
[05:43] <Prelude2004c> you mean use the paravirtualized network ( virtio-nte )
[05:44] <alkisg> Yes, paravirtualized
[05:44] <alkisg> But even with intel emulation is should easily beat 1 gbps, cpu-wise
[05:44] <alkisg> On real wire, it's limited by the wire speed of course
[05:44] <Prelude2004c> ya its 1 Gbit/
[05:45] <alkisg> Right, so it should be able to fill that with minimal cpu
[05:45] <Prelude2004c> ok let me try again
[05:45] <Prelude2004c> have to understand now how to delete the extra adapters that i added in virtualbox :)
[05:46] <alkisg> E.g. if you run an iperf server somewhere on the network, and an iperf client inside it, it should give you 950 mbps or so, with 10% of one cpu core
[05:49] <Prelude2004c> ok booting up
[05:49] <Prelude2004c> let's see what happens
[05:50] <Prelude2004c> i thought i tried this before and saw with 30Mbit/s - 50Mbit/s that CPU IO was like at 7%
[05:50] <Prelude2004c> one single download
[05:51] <alkisg> Was it mbit or MB/sec?
[05:52] <Prelude2004c> 2.9MB/s
[05:53] <alkisg> Is your switch and transfer target gigabit? Or there's something at 100 mbps between the line?
[05:56] <Prelude2004c> you are right.. huge difference
[05:56] <Prelude2004c> seesm to be working well with this speed using the virtu
[05:56] <Prelude2004c> thank yu guys.. great job
[05:56] <puffinz> http://www.twitter.com/nathangk42
[05:56] <puffinz> Check out the twitter.
[05:56] <Prelude2004c> nots ure how i missed this.. i tried it before but i guess not correctly
[05:56] <Prelude2004c> or i thought i did
[06:15] <crazyhorse18> my front audio port sounds like it's playing underwater
[06:15] <crazyhorse18> where it sounds fine coming out of my back audio port
[06:15] <crazyhorse18> any idea what the issue is?
[06:28] <ncharradi> #skrypt
[06:28] <Krzysiekk> norek eluwa
[06:28] <Krzysiekk> !pl
[06:28] <Krzysiekk> !pl
[06:28] <Krzysiekk> !pl
[06:28] <Krzysiekk> !pl
[06:51] <Haohmaru> is it possible to set up the turbovnc server (running on lubuntu) so that a client (running windows with two monitors) can use both its screens to see the session as if the lubuntu had two screens (or at least a larger single screen) ?
[06:52] <wadadli> Hey my system frequently becomes unresponsive (almost at it's own will) I was told ~7 hours to ago to perform a memtest (which I did and compeleted without an errors) how can I further debug my system and find the bug!
[06:53] <Haohmaru> wadadli when that happens - does your cpu usage hit the ceiling?
[06:53] <wadadli> Haohmaru: System is unresponsive, I am forced to power off via hardware button.
[06:54] <Haohmaru> does it completely freeze?
[06:54] <wadadli> Yes
[06:54] <Haohmaru> ouch then
[06:55] <alkisg> Haohmaru: have a look at x2go
[06:56] <alkisg> Haohmaru: it's possible with vnc, but you'll need to use xrandr locally to force the appropriate width
[06:56] <alkisg> While x2go uses a virtual screen anyway
[06:56] <Haohmaru> alkisg i think i already tried x2go, but i couldn't get it to work with opengl
[06:56] <wadadli> I forgot all about these log things, shouldn't systemd be able to tell me why X is becoming unresponsive?
[06:57] <alkisg> Haohmaru: ah, you want opengl over the network? OK
[06:57] <Haohmaru> the reason i'm using turbovnc is because i need to run a program which relies on opengl
[06:57] <alkisg> Haohmaru: there's virtualgl for that
[06:57] <alkisg> Haohmaru: but anyway, what's the output of `xrandr` ?
[06:57] <Haohmaru> yes, and it's already working via turbovnc, but it's just one monitor
[06:59] <Haohmaru> alkisg Screen 0: minimum 32 x 32, current 1272 x 944, maximum 32768 x 32768 ... TurboVNC connected 1272x944+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[06:59] <ducasse> wadadli: it can't if the kernel suddenly freezes
[06:59] <alkisg> Haohmaru: use paste.ubuntu.com
[07:00] <Haohmaru> alkisg other than that it lists a pile of resolutions
[07:00] <wadadli> ducasse: :[
[07:00] <ak2766> wadadli: it might be a heat issue - do you perchance have an amd cpu?
[07:01] <Haohmaru> alkisg http://paste.ubuntu.com/24326071/
[07:01] <wadadli> ak2766: I'm using an intel CPU
[07:02] <alkisg> Haohmaru: I don't see a real output there. If that's the whole output, then just run `xrandr -s 3200x1800` and see if it's bigger now. If so, then you can use xrandr --addmode to adjust it to your needs
[07:02] <alkisg> (output = VGA1 or HDMI-0 etc)
[07:02] <wadadli>  Intel Core i5-4590 @ 3.30GHz
[07:03] <Haohmaru> alkisg the actual lubuntu machine has a phisical monitor, but we are not connected to its session via turbovnc
[07:03] <wadadli> During my memtest my CPU was at 42C  — No clue if that's too hot hehe
[07:03] <alkisg> Haohmaru: right, so you don't need to worry about the physical resolutions then
[07:03] <Haohmaru> alkisg turbovnc creates a session itself (as far as i understand)
[07:03] <Haohmaru> yeah
[07:04]  * alkisg is using x11vnc, not turbovnc, so doesn't know all its details there
[07:04] <ducasse> wadadli: it's not too hot at all, also your system would probably shut down if the heating was problematic
[07:04] <Haohmaru> alkisg in lxde's "Display settings" dialog, i can select all those resolutions too
[07:04] <alkisg> Haohmaru: and with xrandr you can add new ones
[07:04] <alkisg> Haohmaru: so if you create one with the width+height you want, isn't that ok?
[07:05] <wadadli> ducasse: there must be some reasonable way too solve this — if only I had read my system administrator books by now — I mean I have but I have forgotten LOL.
[07:07] <ducasse> wadadli: you can try a newer mainline kernel, see if that has the same problem. also, have you actually _checked_ the journald logs?
[07:09] <wadadli> ducasse: No I haven't checked any logs. I forgot which logs to check -_____-
[07:10] <Haohmaru> alkisg that seems to work.. we had to change the settings in the turbovnc client, and then just resizing the client window causes the lubuntu to adjust its resolution
[07:10] <Haohmaru> yey
[07:10] <alkisg> Cool
[07:12] <ducasse> wadadli: set 'Storage=persistent' in journald.conf, restart journald, then see the journalctl man page on how the read the logs. you want to use -b 1 after a crash to read logs from the previous boot, then look at the end for errors.
[07:14] <wadadli> ducasse: in /etc/systemd/journald.conf
[07:14] <ducasse> wadadli: yes
[07:17] <sebsebseb> hi
[07:19] <Dirkos> I have some strange things with my windows. See this pic: http://i66.tinypic.com/28svjid.png
[07:19] <wadadli> ducasse: awesome can't wait for it to happen again
[07:19] <Dirkos> some strange white lines and blocks appear
[07:20] <ducasse> wadadli: if you can't find anything in the logs, i would suspect the kernel or drivers. try a newer mainline kernel and/or other graphics drivers if there are any for your gpu.
[07:22] <wadadli> ducasse: that you for your help
[07:23] <ducasse> wadadli: no problem.
[07:24] <alkisg> Dirkos: there's definately something broken there, do you see any errors in dmesg or in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[07:24] <magkneetoe> something called debconf poppup up while i was using my computer. Is this normal? it tells me to remoev secureboot so that i can use thrid party drivers safetly
[07:24] <mcphail> Dirkos: that's a known bug with the nvidia drivers
[07:25] <magkneetoe> i dont have a nvidia card
[07:25] <magkneetoe> maybe its something i installed recently
[07:25] <Dirkos> mcphail: ok thanks
[07:26] <ducasse> magkneetoe: are you using virtualbox, for example?
[07:26] <magkneetoe> no
[07:27] <mcphail> Dirkos: apparently nvidia have a fix in the pipeline. For the time being, log out and back in. Should temporarily fix it
[07:28] <Dirkos> mcphail: yeah well not really doing the trick but i can live with it though. Thanks for the info
[07:28] <magkneetoe> ducasse, it was probably cause i installed gallery
[07:30] <mcphail> Dirkos: np
[07:30] <nyitrai5> l
[07:31] <nyitrai5> hi
[07:33] <pju> hello. any ubuntu members here ?
[07:34] <ducasse> dunno if any members are here right now, but there are people here, yes.
[08:01] <Wulf> Good Morning!
[08:01] <Wulf> Apparmor question. How can I allow a process to read /proc/<ownpid>/**?
[08:04] <kidcrazie44> hello all
[08:10] <MarcoNL> Hi all, we updated a system to the latest kernel. But now it won't boot. So we booted into an older kernel by selecting it in Grub. When I want to remove the latest kernel it says it's also going to remove a huge list of packages. Is there a safe way to do this?
[08:11] <alkisg> MarcoNL: what is the message when it doesn't boot? Maybe you should focus on solving the problem first
[08:14] <MarcoNL> alkisg: we already spend a couple of hours on this and we decided we want to revert to the previous kernel. When we remove the current kernel via synaptic, it says it's also going to remove three packages (linux-generic, linux-headers-generic and linux-signed-generic) is it safe to do this?
[08:15] <alkisg> MarcoNL: no, because you won't be getting security updates in the future
[08:15] <alkisg> But it will do what you expect, i.e. it will leave you with the same kernel forever
[08:15] <MarcoNL> what do you mean
[08:16] <alkisg> When a security issue comes out, a new kernel is published to address it
[08:16] <alkisg> If you don't get new kernels, you'll have security issues
[08:16] <MarcoNL> I mean is it safe to remove the newest kernel and let it remove those 3 packages. We will update in the future, but not now.
[08:16] <alkisg> That's why it's best to solve the issue with the new kernel, or at least report it so that it's solved for newer kernels
[08:17] <alkisg> When you want to update in the future, you can reinstall those packages,
[08:17] <k1l> MarcoNL: removing those 3 meta packages will get you no kernel updates anymore
[08:17] <alkisg> but, why not just make the older kernel the default
[08:17] <alkisg> And leave the new kernel installed, it doesn't hurt anywhere
[08:17] <MarcoNL> how do I do that?
[08:18] <alkisg> From /etc/default/grub
[08:19] <alkisg> The GRUB_DEFAULT line there
[08:19] <marech> hey! did someone managed to install gnome 3.24 on ubuntu 16.04?
[08:20] <ducasse> marech: try asking in #ubuntu-gnome, but you're pretty much on your own there
[08:20] <marech> ah, ok, thansk anyways :)
[08:26] <wadadli_> ducasse: will the merge ubuntu-gnome with ubuntu for future releases =P
[08:27] <anyKey_> I'm having some trouble installing Ubuntu with my graphics card. If I pull it out and use the onboard graphics I can install and run just fine.
[08:29] <anyKey_> I'm trying to get a Gigabyte Radeon RX 460 working. When I first tried the GPU fans would spin full speed with no output, but now I have Ubuntu installed and installed the APDGPU-PRO drivers 16.60 and the fans don't spin up but I get no output.
[08:29] <Xatenev> Hola
[08:30] <Xatenev> How would I go on to rename a bulk input of filenames like: whoever.jpg, whatever.jpg to who1.jpg and what1.jpg
[08:30] <Xatenev> Basically replace a certain string (like 'ever') in this case, with some other string for all files
[08:41] <mg__> Hey
[08:42] <geirha> for file in *ever*.jpg; do newname=${file//ever/1}; mv -v -- "$file" "$newname"; done
[08:42] <pirx> hello! does anyone know how to configure the sound (pulse? anyway, the settings/sound) so that my bluetooth headset becomes the default (sink?) whenever i connect it?
[08:56] <oooooooooooo> hello
[08:56] <toshiba_leather> any good android software for vm?
[08:57] <oooooooooooo> toshiba_leather: vm on android?
[08:57] <toshiba_leather> unbutu
[08:57] <oooooooooooo> then any software is good
[08:57] <k1l> toshiba_leather: you want to run android apps on ubuntu? then look at the android sdk
[08:57] <oooooooooooo> virtualbox, for example
[08:58] <toshiba_leather> ya
[08:58] <nanodrone> virtualbox is better than the sdk for performance
[08:58] <oooooooooooo> I came with popcorn, did you already discuss the news about Ubuntu switching to GNOME and stopping the development of Unity 8 and Ubuntu Phone?
[09:00] <k1l> oooooooooooo: this channel here is only for technical support
[09:00] <oooooooooooo> oh
[09:00] <oooooooooooo> #ubuntu-friends then
[09:01] <toshiba_leather> where can I download sdk, i just see DOS
[09:02] <unity_lover> *sad_face*
[09:06] <nanodrone> oh man that is sad news i just read about it... :( :(
[09:08] <ak2766> wadadli: sorry - go distracted by other business. I have a media centre box with an amd chip inside that would freeze upon doing some simple work.
[09:09] <ak2766> intel chips auto-throttle bu the amd chip i had wouldn't and I had to write a script as a workaround...
[09:10] <ak2766> to figure out if you have a heat issue, start by installing lm-sensors, then run sensors_detect and accept all default, but the last one where it wants to write results to file
[09:10] <mark76> Hey.  What are those orange sun things in Synaptic for?
[09:10] <ak2766> then install sysstat.
[09:13] <toshiba_leather> if there is Mac simulator on ubuntu , I would be excited.
[09:13] <ak2766> make sure sysstat is collecting data by enabling it in /etc/default/sysstat
[09:13] <ak2766> then make sure to collect all hard drive info by changing '-S DISK' to '-S XALL' in /etc/sysstat/sysstat
[09:13] <ak2766> from there, when the system freezes over, you'll have historical data to research
[09:14] <ak2766> on important one is `sar -m -TEMP | less`
[09:14] <ak2766> from there, you should be able to rule in/out heat as the culprit
[09:15] <ak2766> yeah, i know - too much to do if not heat related, but it's always good to have metrics to look at in case of future problems...
[09:15] <deeno> I am seeking a powerpoint viewer or program for linux which does audio. any hints?
[09:16] <brunch875> I just installed pinta
[09:16] <brunch875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24326554/
[09:16] <brunch875> and it added a crapload of certificates
[09:16] <brunch875> is this normal?
[09:17] <k1l_> brunch875: you are running 17.04 and still have 90 updates not installed --> #ubuntu+1
[09:18] <brunch875> ohright
[09:18] <brunch875> my apologies
[09:22] <deeno> Does anyone know how to get power point audio to work through linux?
[09:24] <ak2766> wadadli: that sar command should read `sar -m TEMP`
[09:24] <ak2766> you can also see a live capture - sar -m TEMP 1
[09:24] <deeno> what is the package name of the ubuntu software center?
[09:26] <alkisg> deeno: software-center
[09:26] <ak2766> deeno - find out by running `xprop` from a termincal session clicking the window - you'll several metrics - one of them will be the binary that is running...
[09:26] <alkisg> He may not have it installed yet...
[09:26] <ak2766> to find out where that package came from, run `dpkg -S `which <binary>` - where <binary> is what you found from xprop command
[09:26] <k1l_> deeno: the new software center is called "ubuntu-software"
[09:27] <ak2766> kll_; better to teach how to fish...
[09:28] <ak2766> I figure if they are already on irc, they are techy enough...
[09:29] <k1l_> ak2766: well, no. this is a beginners channel and you cant assume people coming in here are on a higher techy level.
[09:31] <nanodrone> k1l_, what does it mean when there's an '_' next to a person's name?
[09:32] <brunch875> nanodrone: in my case, it means my internet died and I reconnected before my old name timed out
[09:32] <ak2766> fair enough - my experience is that if I start to give directions which are too deep, the OP can slow me down...
[09:33] <nanodrone> i thought it meant do not disturb me :l
[09:33] <ak2766> but I do understand - i'll try and tone it down ever so slightly
[09:34] <developer_> Hi guys
[09:35] <developer_> How can we install specific package 7.0.2 on ubuntu 14.04 ?
[09:35] <alkisg> Which package?
[09:35] <k1l_> nanodrone: if one reconnects to freenode while the old connection did not timeout yet, the username is still blocked so the irc program uses the _ to get a similiar unsername
[09:35] <developer_> alkisg, php version
[09:35] <nanodrone> k1l_ = brunch875 ?
[09:36] <k1l_> nanodrone: no, k1l_ = k1l
[09:36] <nanodrone> oh sorry
[09:36] <nanodrone> does anyone know where the unity touch handles code is located, i wanna read through it?
[09:36] <toshiba_leather> my teacher give us a homework to write a program to search how much words happened in
[09:37] <alkisg> developer_: the supported package versions for php are shown in: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=php
[09:37] <alkisg> developer_: so normally to get a newer php, you upgrade to a newer ubuntu
[09:37] <developer_> alkisg, Actually am trying to upgrade php version 7.0.2, but have not find appropriate solution for that
[09:38] <toshiba_leather> Tom's adventure
[09:39] <cynicallemon> nanodrone: are you still keen on unity after the announcement to ditch it?
[09:39] <nanodrone> cynicallemon, i switched to gnome before the announcement was even made public
[09:40] <nanodrone> cynicallemon, i'm just looking to port the touch handles to gnome.
[09:40] <nanodrone> that's the only feature that (for mich) sets unity apart from other DEs
[09:40] <cynicallemon> nanodrone: okay
[09:42] <oooooooooooo> hey
[09:42] <oooooooooooo> when I scroll a page in browser - I see visual lags
[09:42] <oooooooooooo> can that be fixed?
[09:42] <ivan> oooooooooooo: which browser?
[09:42] <oooooooooooo> ivan: firefox
[09:42] <ivan> oooooooooooo: which graphics drivers?
[09:43] <oooooooooooo> nvidia-340
[09:43] <ivan> did you upgrade nvidia? you need to reboot for gpu stuff to work properly
[09:43] <oooooooooooo> no
[09:44] <ivan> oooooooooooo: are you experiencing smooth scrolling or something more serious?
[09:44] <oooooooooooo> no, I mean visual lags, interlacing or how that is called
[09:44] <alkisg> Having usernames like oooooooooooo is fun, if  oooooooooooo is mentioned frequently, it looks like spam... :D
[09:44] <toshiba_leather> sudo route add
[09:45] <ivan> oooooooooooo: interlacing isn't lag
[09:45] <oooooooooooo> or aliasing
[09:45] <oooooooooooo> I forgot the right term
[09:45] <k1l_> maybe vsync issues are meant
[09:45] <ivan> it helps to be able to describe what you're seeing :-)
[09:45] <ivan> oooooooooooo: are you talking about tearing, as in a tearline when you scroll?
[09:46] <oooooooooooo> tearing, yeah
[09:46] <ivan> oooooooooooo: firefox does that. chrome doesn't. enjoy.
[09:46] <ivan> in theory firefox should not tear when you use a working compositor like Unity or GNOME 3's Mutter
[09:46] <oooooooooooo> it pretty much does too
[09:47] <oooooooooooo> I am using xfce
[09:47] <ivan> oooooooooooo: the xfce4 compositor is buggy and has to be disabled if you want to fix tearing (crazy, I know)
[09:47] <ivan> then at least chrome will not tear
[09:47] <oooooooooooo> that tearing is noticeable even in sublime text 3
[09:47] <ivan> assuming you have just one monitor attached
[09:47] <oooooooooooo> I have 2 monitors
[09:48] <ivan> yeah, good luck with vsync on two monitors on linux
[09:48] <oooooooooooo> not going to happen? :D
[09:48] <ivan> you should try the compositor thing I mentioned though
[09:48] <oooooooooooo> how do I do that?
[09:48] <ivan> and if that doesn't work, reboot (sometimes fixed it for me), or newer nvidia drivers
[09:48] <ivan> oooooooooooo: xfce4-settings-manager -> Window Manager Tweaks -> Compositor
[09:49] <ivan> uncheck Enable
[09:50] <oooooooooooo> everything blinked
[09:50] <oooooooooooo> the tearing is still here
[09:50] <ivan> without the broken-on-nvidia xfce4 compositor you should not see tearing in chrome and mpv (assuming you don't have a driver mismatch after upgrading)
[09:50] <oooooooooooo> I am at work, I don't use mpv
[09:50] <ivan> if you reboot and are still seeing tearing it's probably a two-monitor issue
[09:50] <oooooooooooo> okay, updating and rebooting then
[09:51] <ivan> note that firefox will always tear without a compositor so please don't use that for testing
[09:53] <cynicallemon> i think you can use compton as a compositor with xfce
[09:53] <ivan> I tried that a while ago and it didn't work so great :-)
[09:53] <ivan> a lot of extra latency, though it did fix firefox tearing
[09:54] <ivan> I find it pretty easy to work without a compositor because chrome and mpv and games are vsync'ed because they run in GL contexts
[09:58] <toshiba_leather> hi,chris
[10:08] <oooooooooooo> ivan: spasibo!
[10:08] <oooooooooooo> ivan: tearing is gone now, even in firefox
[10:09] <ivan> oooooooooooo: cool
[10:11] <oooooooooooo> ivan: do I lose in performance or something without a compositor?
[10:12] <oooooooooooo> can I use a 3rd party one? like gnome's or kde's?
[10:13] <oooooooooooo> sublime text 3 steal tears tho
[10:13] <oooooooooooo> in a weirder way
[10:13] <oooooooooooo> it used to draw a tearing line at the same place, and now it's jumpy
[10:18] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[10:18] <ducasse> oooooooooooo: you can try compton or xcompmgr. compton can have bugs, but has more features.
[10:18] <ivan> oooooooooooo: you get lower rendering latency without a compositor
[10:19] <ivan> oooooooooooo: not sure about the Sublime Text, mine seems to be fine
[10:19] <ivan> heh or maybe it wasn't and I just got used to it
[10:20] <alkisg> (01:18:51 μμ) ivan: oooooooooooo: you get lower rendering latency without a compositor => I would imagine the opposite, isn't drawing directly on screen faster than going through a buffer?
[10:20] <alkisg> Eh, sorry my English failed me
[10:20] <alkisg> That's what you were saying too
[10:22] <hateball> oooooooooooo: have you tried using ForceFullCompositionPipeline ?
[10:23] <hateball> If using a recent nvidia driver you can run this: nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="$(xrandr | sed -nr '/(\S+) connected (primary )?[0-9]+x[0-9]+(\+\S+).*/{ s//\1: nvidia-auto-select \3 { ForceFullCompositionPipeline = On }, /; H }; ${ g; s/\n//g; s/, $//; p }')"
[10:42] <oooooooooooo> hateball: is 340 recent enough?
[10:47] <fafafa> okz
[10:47] <hateball> oooooooooooo: I am not sure. But nothing will happen if the function is no present in the driver
[10:47] <hateball> oooooooooooo: so nothing will break (permanently) by running the command
[10:48] <k1l_> there should be nvidia-375 in the repos
[10:49] <Introoter> is ubuntu dropping unity in 18.04?
[10:49] <nanodrone> Introoter, yes
[10:50] <oooooooooooo> hateball: I don't have xorg conf files (because they cause issues), so I don't know how to enable it without one
[10:50] <Introoter> ok
[10:50] <saker> hhh
[10:50] <hateball> oooooooooooo: you simply run that long string in a terminal
[10:51] <hateball> k1l_: if it's a legacy device then 340 is the latest driver that will support it
[10:51] <hateball> oooooooooooo: what chipset is this?
[10:51] <k1l_> hateball: yes. i dont know what device is in use.
[10:53] <BluesKaj> oooooooooooo, most likely you do have a nvidia-xconfig
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[10:54] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[10:54] <oooooooooooo> BluesKaj: this util is buggy
[10:54] <oooooooooooo> hateball: uh, chipset of motherboard?
[10:55] <oooooooooooo> or the series of gpu?
[10:55] <hateball> oooooooooooo: no. gpu. run "lspci"
[10:55] <oooooooooooo> NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210]
[10:55] <oooooooooooo> (rev a2
[10:55] <saker> hello
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> saker: welcome, how can we help you?
[10:56] <hateball> oooooooooooo: then 340 it is for you
[10:56] <hateball> driver-wise
[10:56] <daniel> test
[10:56] <BluesKaj> oooooooooooo, that uses the nvidia-340 driver, the same gpu as I have
[10:56] <Guest66833> test
[10:56] <saker> first use this
[10:57] <oooooooooooo> hateball: BluesKaj: I know it's nvidia340
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> saker: you joined the ubuntu support channel, you can ask ubuntu related questions here
[10:57] <saker> thanks
[10:58] <saker> i will
[10:58] <BluesKaj> oooooooooooo, recommend you run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[11:00] <oooooooooooo> BluesKaj: it is buggy
[11:00] <oooooooooooo> it creates xorg.conf where it describes only 1 monitor
[11:00] <BluesKaj> oooooooooooo, not here
[11:01] <MustaKrakish> Guys, I purged pulse audio and rebooted, now I have no sound. How can I run purely on Alsa?
[11:01] <saker> I'm coming
[11:01] <birkhoff_> Hi!
[11:01] <MustaKrakish> ubuntu 16.04 4.4.0-71
[11:02] <birkhoff_> What's wrong?
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> !sound | MustaKrakish
[11:02] <BluesKaj> oooooooooooo, I suppose you can edit the file to use multiple monitors
[11:02] <MustaKrakish> lotuspsychje, yeah, no sound applet init
[11:03] <brainwash> MustaKrakish: try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/Alsamixer
[11:03] <BluesKaj> MustaKrakish, set up you vol and audio out settings in alsmixer in the terminal
[11:03] <BluesKaj> alsamixer
[11:04] <MustaKrakish> so like...aplay /path/to/file : ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused
[11:05] <BluesKaj> MustaKrakish, did you purge pulseaudio-utils as well?
[11:05] <MustaKrakish> BluesKaj, probably yeah
[11:05] <MustaKrakish> do i need pulse for audio? why can't I just use Alsa?
[11:06] <BluesKaj> MustaKrakish, depends, which audio chip ?
[11:06] <MustaKrakish> intel HD
[11:06] <BluesKaj> yes you can
[11:07] <BluesKaj> sudo apt purge pulseaudio-utils
[11:07] <MustaKrakish> Package 'pulseaudio-utils' is not installed, so not removed
[11:08] <BluesKaj> ok good
[11:09] <birkhoff_> Ok
[11:09] <BluesKaj> MustaKrakish, upen a terminal, type alsamixer
[11:10] <MustaKrakish> yup
[11:11] <BluesKaj> disable automutre, set your volume for the appropriate ctls
[11:12] <MustaKrakish> automute is disabled already
[11:12] <brainwash> MustaKrakish: anything pulseaudio related in /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf.d/ ?
[11:13] <MustaKrakish> 50-pulseaudio.conf
[11:14] <brainwash> I guess that file is fine
[11:14] <BluesKaj> MustaKrakish, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , if the driver loads properly there's no output from that command
[11:15] <MustaKrakish> Failed to connect: Connection refused after modprobe and trying to play a file
[11:15] <brainwash> did you reboot after purging pulseaudio?
[11:15] <MustaKrakish> yes
[11:15] <brainwash> ok
[11:16] <MustaKrakish> sounds prefs still lists the audio card but as mono
[11:18] <BluesKaj> MustaKrakish, adduser yourname audio
[11:19] <BluesKaj> MustaKrakish, to check,  groups yourname
[11:19] <MustaKrakish> audio:x:29:myuser
[11:19] <MustaKrakish> still gives connection refused
[11:19] <brainwash> reinstall pulseaudio :>
[11:20] <BluesKaj> there's something else wrong with permissions
[11:21] <MustaKrakish> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1029:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave aplay: main:722: audio open error: No such file or directory
[11:21] <MustaKrakish> i'm not sure it is permissions, I ran that as root
[11:21] <BluesKaj> as root or sudo?
[11:22] <MustaKrakish> as root
[11:22] <MustaKrakish> # not $
[11:22] <BluesKaj> should use sudo, no need for root
[11:22] <MustaKrakish> either way
[11:28] <MustaKrakish> so the only way to fix is to reinstall pulse?
[11:28] <BluesKaj> was your audio working before you purged pulse?
[11:28] <MustaKrakish> yup
[11:29] <MustaKrakish> I was having issues with pulse hence why i decided to purge it
[11:29] <BluesKaj> then go ahead, if you think it'll work
[11:29] <MustaKrakish> I thought I could run pure alsa?
[11:30] <BluesKaj> think you left some pulse conf files behind
[11:31] <BluesKaj> like pavucontrol perhaps?
[11:31] <MustaKrakish> BluesKaj, not installed
[11:32] <BluesKaj> did you have it installed previously?
[11:32] <MustaKrakish> i would imagine so, I did have a volume control in the top bar
[11:33] <BluesKaj> no that's not it
[11:33] <MustaKrakish> PulseAudio Volume Control?
[11:33] <ikonia> wi n12
[11:33] <ikonia> oops, sorry
[11:33] <BluesKaj> pavucontrol isn't a default app, you have to install it yourself
[11:33] <MustaKrakish> ah ok
[11:35] <flughafen> does the sudo setup out of the box on ubuntu allow all commands, or is there every when you need to sudo su ?
[11:35] <ikonia> you should never need sudo su
[11:35] <ikonia> that is a bad command
[11:35] <MustaKrakish> lol
[11:35] <BluesKaj> but connection to alsa refused is a new one to me
[11:35] <MustaKrakish> if you don't know what you're doing
[11:35] <MustaKrakish> BluesKaj, yeah, it's ood
[11:35] <MustaKrakish> *odd
[11:36] <flughafen> ikonia: ok, thanks.
[11:36] <BluesKaj> puzzling
[11:36] <MustaKrakish> If I cannot remedy this with only alsa i'll be forced to install pulse again
[11:36] <BluesKaj> I'm running without pulse with intel-hda
[11:36] <MustaKrakish> same chip as me
[11:37] <LinuxAdventure_> hello.. what are the advantages of Ubuntu over Mint? is it as beginner friendly as Mint?
[11:37] <MustaKrakish> LinuxAdventure_, Mint is just a fork of ubuntu
[11:38] <ikonia> it's not a fork
[11:38] <LinuxAdventure_> ok. is Mint more beginner friendly? Any version of Ubuntu that is comparable to Mint in user friendliness?
[11:38] <MustaKrakish> ikonia, what is it then?
[11:38]  * BluesKaj was waiting for that :-)
[11:38] <MustaKrakish> like Ubuntu is a fork of debian
[11:38] <ikonia> LinuxAdventure_: it's just as friendly - but ubuntu is better supported
[11:38] <ikonia> MustaKrakish: it used to be based off ubuntu, it's it's own thing now in many ways
[11:39] <LinuxAdventure_> ikonia, Mint's team is not as big as Ubuntu's?
[11:39] <MustaKrakish> ikonia, well, I see it more simply. They're all forks of Debian
[11:39] <ikonia> LinuxAdventure_: no
[11:39] <LinuxAdventure_> ok.
[11:39] <ikonia> LinuxAdventure_: it takes a lot of technologies from other distros and relies on them to maintain it for them
[11:39] <ikevin> MustaKrakish, ubuntu is debian based, so ubuntu have a lot of stuff differents from debian
[11:40] <LinuxAdventure_> ikonia, how is Solus as compared to Ubuntu?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> MustaKrakish, derivatives is probly a better term...fork has some specific definition , but I can't recall what
[11:40] <ikonia> LinuxAdventure_: we are getting offtopic now
[11:40] <MustaKrakish> :)
[11:40] <ikevin> LinuxAdventure_, mint is a small team
[11:40] <ikonia> LinuxAdventure_: this channel supports ubuntu - try asking the mint/solus guys and see how they respond, that will give you an idea of how capable they are to meet your needs
[11:41] <BluesKaj> !fork
[11:41] <ikevin> LinuxAdventure_, they just remove some stuff from ubuntu (or debian) that some people don't like
[11:41] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure_: they are all very tiny compared to ubuntu.
[11:41] <LinuxAdventure_> I read somewhere that Ubuntu is abandoning Unity. Is it true?
[11:41] <BluesKaj> !info fork
[11:41] <BluesKaj> heh
[11:41] <ikonia> LinuxAdventure_: thats correct
[11:41] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure_: yes, in the long run, the standard desktop will become gnome-shell
[11:42] <LinuxAdventure_> ok. is that good or bad?
[11:42] <ioria> MustaKrakish, if you want MarkShuttleworth's  answer to that question is : "Yes, Ubuntu is a fork. No, it isn't. Yes it is! Oh, whatever. "
[11:42] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure_: technically that doesnt matter.
[11:42] <ikevin> LinuxAdventure_, good :)
[11:42] <LinuxAdventure_> No Ubuntu phones in the future then?
[11:43] <ikonia> LinuxAdventure_: maybe worth you reading the blog post
[11:43] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure_: no
[11:43] <ikonia> answers the basic info clearly straight from Marks own blog
[11:43] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure_: please read the full anouncement, not only the title :)
[11:43] <LinuxAdventure_> I am a non technical end user.
[11:44] <ikonia> the blog post is non technical
[11:44] <LinuxAdventure_> Using Ubuntu desktop.
[11:45] <ikonia> LinuxAdventure_: thats great, you can read the blog post using ubuntu desktop
[11:45] <LinuxAdventure_> btw, can I install Cinnamon DE on Ubuntu? without it causing any problems?
[11:45] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure_: cinnamon is in the ubuntu repos, yes
[11:46] <LinuxAdventure_> is it there?
[11:46] <bazhang> !info cinnamon | LinuxAdventure_
[11:46] <bazhang> LinuxAdventure_, it sure is
[11:47] <LinuxAdventure_> I am using Ubuntu Mate 16.04.2 now.
[11:47] <LinuxAdventure_> is Gnome 3 more advanced than Cinnamon?
[11:47] <bazhang> LinuxAdventure_, you want cinnamon, install it
[11:47] <MustaKrakish> ioria, haha
[11:48] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure_: cinnamon is gnome3. gnome3 is just the base. what you mean is "gnome-shell"
[11:48] <LinuxAdventure_> yes.
[11:48] <k1l_> cinnamon and gnome-shell share the same base gnome system. mate is based on the old gnome2
[11:48] <ioria> MustaKrakish,  :)
[11:51] <rt_ctx> Hi, I have a question : I need to use evolution-activesync on my ubuntu. (https://github.com/GNOME/evolution-activesync/blob/master/INSTALL). I read the INSTALL file but I'm not able to install it. I don't know where I must run the ./configure script.
[11:51] <LinuxAdventure_> is Mint's update policy right?
[11:51] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure_: no
[11:52] <bazhang> LinuxAdventure_, thats not really topical here
[11:52] <Furai> Sooo, ubuntu is going to use gnome? Sounds good to me.
[11:52] <Furai> I've been using all this time ubuntu gnome anyway.
[11:52] <LinuxAdventure_> k1l, please explain it.
[11:52] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure_: they block updates because some ubuntu security updates might break the mint changes. so no, there update policy is not right.
[11:52] <LinuxAdventure_> Ubuntu's update policy vis-a-vis Mint's update policy.
[11:59] <adac> Hi there! I'm getting: http://askubuntu.com/questions/646414/welcome-to-emergency-mode-think-it-is-a-fsck-problem
[12:01] <ikonia> adac: ok - what haveyou done about it
[12:01] <adac> I read that this can have to do somehting with fstab ikonia
[12:01] <adac> I recently added this line:
[12:01] <ikonia> adac: the screen gives you information - what have you done that the error message on the screen tells you to do
[12:02] <adac> https://example.com /mnt/backup davfs rw,uid=0,gid=0,file_mode=0600,dir_mode=0600 0 0
[12:02] <ikonia> what have you done from the info on the screen
[12:02] <adac> ikonia, actually not yet any of this. I found this error message in google and fstab showed up, and I did change something in fstab short time ago
[12:03] <adac> So I assumed it can be a problem with that
[12:03] <ikonia> adac: why have you done none of the debug that the screen tells you to do
[12:03] <adac> but I get your point
[12:03] <adac> digging trough the logs now
[12:06] <guest-rCcnMU> heyy bitches
[12:14] <Jahl> Hello. Im getting an errormessage after finishing my ubuntu installation. It says error parsing pcc subspaces from PCCT
[12:14] <adac> ikonia, ok I digged trough the logs and I found this two errros: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2e9b7dd05a8e9f2df3cdc167b5dacbd5
[12:15] <adac> So I assume, that the problem at boot has to do with the mounting that fails
[12:16] <ikonia> adac: thats too problems you need to resolve yes
[12:16] <Jahl> We tried removing some partitions to see if it would work but The same problem occurs
[12:17] <ioria> Jahl, and i assume that the system is not booting ...
[12:17] <Jahl> It isnt
[12:17] <ioria> can be a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1528684
[12:18] <mixxit> hi all
[12:18] <mixxit> i installed the xorg synaptics pacckage nad my keyboard and usb devices stopped working and i coldnt event login
[12:18] <mixxit> so ive removed it and i can use my keyboard but now my mouse doesnt work
[12:18] <mixxit> how can i go back to default
[12:20] <Southern_Gentlem> mixxit, do they work in grub?
[12:20] <mixxit> yeah
[12:20] <mixxit> its fine
[12:20] <Southern_Gentlem> boot into runlevel 3
[12:20] <mixxit> it works fine in shell also if i disable lightdm
[12:20] <ioria> adac, btw, you can always boot in recovery -> root shell -> remount rw and comment out those lines in /etc/fstab
[12:21] <mixxit> thats what i had to do to disable lightdm
[12:21] <Southern_Gentlem> mixxit,  so it borks running X so dont run X and undo what you did
[12:21] <mixxit> i did
[12:21] <adac> ioria, yep I will do that. In any case I can just press CTRL + D and it works again
[12:21] <mixxit> i installed xorg synaptics package and to fix i uninstalled hte package
[12:21] <mixxit> but now my mouse wont work
[12:22] <ioria> adac, ok
[12:24] <mixxit> so what do i do
[12:25] <ioria> mixxit, try to run autoremove, maybe it had dependencies
[12:25] <mixxit> 0 apparently
[12:26] <ioria> mixxit,  the exact package name ?
[12:26] <minimec> mixxit: Try 'sudo apt install --reinstall xserver-xorg-input-libinput' In case you want to use the synaptics driver, uninstall the libinput package, I mentioned before.
[12:26] <ioria> mixxit,  ho, purge the config files
[12:26] <mixxit> installing the synaptics package for my synaptics touchpad seemed to break everything
[12:26] <minimec> mixxit: in Newer ubuntu versions, libinput is used instead of the synaptics
[12:26] <data> Would anyone know how to add a driver to the minimal install iso for a new apparently undetected/unsupported NIC for Xenial?
[12:26] <mixxit> ok thats fine ill use that :-)
[12:27] <mixxit> i just did the reinstall so ill reboot and try now thanks!
[12:27] <mixxit> didnt realise libinput were the same thing but idfferent implementations
[12:27] <mixxit> thanks guys brb!
[12:30] <pokmo> hi
[12:30] <pokmo> i'm trying to mount a USB stick with sudo mount /media/usb but i can't write to it
[12:30] <pokmo> the owner of /media/usb is root so i can't write to it using as a user
[12:30] <pokmo> i have "/dev/sda /media/usb ext4 rw 0 3" in fstab
[12:30] <pokmo> am i doing something wrong?
[12:32] <thereyougo> how to find out what shells I have installed in system ?
[12:32] <mixxit> worked guys thanks :-)))
[12:33] <ioria> thereyougo, echo $SHELL will tell what you're using
[12:33] <ioria> thereyougo, and cat /etc/shells
[12:34] <Ben64> pokmo: what filesystem
[12:34] <w9qbj> pokmo: have you tried mounting to /mnt with success?  udev normally mounts stuff top /media
[12:34] <pokmo> ext4
[12:34] <Ben64> oh you said ext4, you need to have your user own it then
[12:34] <pokmo> but each time i mount it with sudo, /media/usb is automatically owned by root
[12:34] <ioria> pokmo, /dev/sda /media/usb ???
[12:35] <pokmo> ioria, yeah
[12:35] <helpless> I'm trying Ubuntu out on live USB and my wi/fi does not work, is this because I am on a live USB or should I troubleshoot the issue before installing
[12:35] <ioria> pokmo, not sure makes sense
[12:35] <pokmo> ioria, in my fstab
[12:35] <Ben64> helpless: probably because you have a weird wifi chip and it might not work on install either
[12:35] <Ben64> pokmo: i think ioria is questioning "sda", which usually would be a hard drive
[12:36] <ioria> yeah
[12:36] <pokmo> my stick is picked up as sda though
[12:36] <pokmo> according to fdisk
[12:36] <Ben64> what is your boot drive then
[12:36] <helpless> Should I just give up and go back to windows. Linux doesnt seem to recognize the wifi chip at all
[12:37] <ioria> pokmo,  paste     sudo parted -l
[12:37] <ioria> helpless, paste  sudolshw -C Network
[12:38] <helpless> Went through quite a trouble to get this far and everything else seems to be working flawlessly, even all the touch-related stuff. A Shame if I cant fix the wifi
[12:38] <ioria> helpless, we should know what chip is it
[12:38] <helpless> it doesnt find anything, I already ran the script for troubleshooting and uploaded it on hastebin, if anyone can read it
[12:39] <ioria> helpless, paste  sudo lshw -C Network
[12:39] <helpless> lubuntu@lubuntu:~$ sudo lshw -C Network   *-network                       description: Ethernet interface        physical id: 2        logical name: enp0s20u4u3        serial: 9a:bc:ae:43:6e:d3        capabilities: ethernet physical        configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rndis_host driverversion=22-Aug-2005 firmware=RNDIS device ip=<IP_ADDRESS> link=yes multicast=yes lubuntu@lubuntu:~$
[12:39] <ioria> helpless,  on paste.ubuntu.com
[12:39] <helpless> Sorry
[12:40] <ioria> helpless,  it'a an adapter ?
[12:40] <helpless> What it found was my phone giving me the internet at the moment
[12:40] <helpless> Otherwise it doesnt find anything
[12:41] <w9qbj> helpless: dumb question, my laptop has a hardware switch to disable WiFi - does yours and is it on?
[12:41] <helpless> A great question actually, but nope, mine does not have one
[12:42] <darkad> Hi all, aftel last update in ubuntu 16.04.2 I cannot start my system on external hd
[12:42] <darkad> the screen begin to blink after the grub menu and then it stops
[12:43] <Ben64> helpless: pastebin "lshw -c network; rfkill list all; lsusb; lspci"
[12:43] <ioria> darkad, your grub is installed on the external drive ?
[12:43] <darkad> yes
[12:44] <sariel> ...
[12:44] <ioria> darkad,  so on the internal you have windows ?
[12:44] <darkad> ioria: no, another ubuntu
[12:45] <data> helpless: you probably need to install the extra drivers
[12:45] <ioria> darkad,  if you cannot login, try recovery and update-grub ?
[12:45] <helpless> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24327404/
[12:46] <data> helpless: best is to install ubuntu to a a usb drive with persistence enabled and test that way, then you can upgrade the wifi drivers
[12:47] <donofrio> did the 17.04 repo's get removed for the arch powerpc? my 'do-release-upgrade' is unable to install the 'core'package ;(
[12:48] <Ben64> helpless: what kind of computer is this
[12:48] <helpless> Lenovo tablet and laptop hybrid
[12:48] <ikonia> donofrio: manually verify the mirror you are using
[12:48] <helpless> Im surprised how well everything works except internet
[12:48] <helpless> lenovo miix 2 10'
[12:48] <ioria> helpless, i don't see wifi at all ... maybe i'am blind
[12:48] <Ben64> yeah no wifi listed at all
[12:49] <ioria> thanx
[12:49] <helpless> Yep, I know. I do have wifi on windows thouhg
[12:49] <data> not same thing
[12:49] <Ben64> pretty much no devices listed
[12:49] <data> what does dmesg say?
[12:49] <Ben64> so if you want wifi, buy a cheap usb wifi adapter
[12:49] <data> nonsense
[12:50] <k1l_> donofrio: maybe #ubuntu-powerpc is more help on that issues
[12:51] <helpless> A Shame, thanks a ton everyone. I did not except Linux to work on thi but I wanted to give it a shot anyways.
[12:51] <data> helpless: try to install the extra wifi drivers
[12:51] <data> helpless: and look at what dmesg say
[12:52] <Ben64> helpless: add a $5 wireless adapter and it works fine
[12:53] <data> Ben64: terrible advice, sorry
[12:54] <data> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[12:54] <Ben64> data: it isn't but you can go ahead and think so
[12:54] <helpless> Ill look into the liveusb with persistence thingy, wireless adapter would be a possibility but I do not like the idea because my screen is detachable so I can use this as a tablet too
[12:54] <data> look also at Ndiswrapper
[12:54] <Ben64> helpless: no usb on the screen part?
[12:55] <helpless> Nope, its on the detachable keyboard
[12:55] <Ben64> whats the model of this device
[12:55] <helpless> ohh it has a microusb
[12:55] <data> helpless: the issue is that the live usb has some wifi drivers for some devices, anything more obscure needs an extra install, if that fails Ndiswrapper is the right course of action
[12:56] <helpless> Yeah, Ill figure out a way to get the persistency thing running and try Ndiswrapper if everything else fails, appreciate all the help!
[12:57] <Ben64> helpless: what is the device
[12:57] <helpless> Lenovo MIIX 2 "10
[12:57] <data> its a little more difficult in my case, cause the iso doesnt detect my wired adapter and then nothing can be downloaded or installed, but I see these guys dont know how to solve that either if the answer to your issue is buy a usb wifi adapter ;)
[12:58] <Ben64> ooh
[12:58] <Ben64> data: you don't know how to solve it either
[12:58] <data> helpless: try this
[12:58] <data> sudo rmmod ideapad_laptop
[12:59] <data> ^ apparently that should get your wifi going
[12:59] <helpless> yeah I found that earlier too but I dont have ideapad_laptop even installed
[12:59] <thereyougo> helpless: try to boot knoppix live CD, its good at detecting hardware, ubuntu live CD usually stripped down to "demo" version, when all packages should be installed
[12:59] <ioria> helpless, the chip maybe broadcom ...
[13:00] <helpless> rmmod: ERROR: Module ideapad_laptop is not currently loaded
[13:00] <data> helpless: nope its a kernel module
[13:00] <data> you need to remove it
[13:00] <data> it would be on the output of lsmod
[13:00] <darkad> ioria: no solution
[13:01] <data> helpless: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[13:01] <data> that will get your windows based driver going
[13:01] <Ben64> ndiswrapper won't work
[13:01] <thereyougo> rndiswrapper
[13:01] <k1l_> ndiswrapper is a very very old and deprecated "solution"
[13:01] <Ben64> the device doesn't exist, it isn't a driver problem
[13:01] <thereyougo> or rndis
[13:02] <ioria> darkad, any errors when you upgraded the kernel ?
[13:02] <darkad> ioria: it begin blinking after light dm loading [ok]
[13:02] <data> helpless: pastebin the fll dmesg pls
[13:02] <pokmo> ioria, i've fixed it now :)
[13:03] <ioria> pokmo, good job, dude
[13:03] <pokmo> another problem though. is /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo meant to be missing?
[13:03] <darkad> ioria: no I used the graphical update
[13:03] <helpless> I found a script that should run all the commands
[13:03] <helpless> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24327481/
[13:04] <darkad> ioria: I should do the same update on my internal ubuntu but I really think it's not a gooda idea
[13:04] <ioria> darkad,  what happens if you unplug the external ?
[13:04] <darkad> ioria: hd?
[13:04] <jaime> hola
[13:05] <darkad> ioria: monitor?
[13:05] <ioria> darkad,  yes, can you boot the internal hd system ?
[13:05] <darkad> yes
[13:06] <helpless> the dmesg is at very bottom of that paste
[13:07] <darkad> ioria: please don't ask me to run upgrade grub from the internal because some weeks ago it creates problems
[13:07] <data> thats some small dmesg
[13:07] <ioria> darkad,  ok, so  boot the external, recovery -> networking  -> apt update; apt full-upgrade   (maybe something went wrong in the previous upgrade)
[13:07] <data> anyway I see your live usb doesnt have the correct drivers loaded
[13:07] <toshiba_leather> Where to download multi-purpose java for ubuntu 14, I have errors when running sdkmanager
[13:08] <ivan> toshiba_leather: there are openjdk-{7,8}-{jre,jdk} packages
[13:09] <ioria> darkad,  if it fails again, reinstall grub on your external
[13:09] <data> toshiba_leather: https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/java
[13:10] <k1l_> data: which is a PPA maintained by a 3d party
[13:10] <k1l_> 3rd
[13:10] <helpless> Ill just install this damn thing and troubleshoot it after, if all fails, adapter
[13:12] <data> anyway since none knows anything about my issue Im off... thx
[13:14] <darkad> ioria: I'll try
[13:15] <toshiba_leather> ok, it should be worked this time. thanks
[13:16] <petersaints_> So, with Ubuntu moving back to GNOME, will 18.04 LTS be the first release with GNOME by default, or will 17.10 be the first release to use GNOME as the default? I feel that it's a bit dangerous to do such a big move on an LTS without first testing it on a regular release.
[13:17] <BluesKaj> petersaints_, 18.04 LTS be the first release with GNOME
[13:17] <k1l_> petersaints_: there is already the gnome desktop in use with the ubuntu-gnome iso
[13:17] <Ool> and until hardy heron it was with GNOME (2)
[13:19]  * BluesKaj qualifies , as default
[13:20] <petersaints_> @k1l_ Sure, but Ubuntu GNOME just tries to be as vanilla as possible, and sometimes there are some minor issues due to Unity patches on GNOME packages, or older version have to be kept because of Unity compatibility. I imagine that GNOME on Ubuntu will at least be themed as it used to be up until 10.10 Maverick Meerkat. So there's some work to be done. I imagine that it's not just renaming Ubuntu GNOME to Ubuntu.
[13:22] <petersaints_> BluesKaj: Ok. Is that really set? So, Ubuntu 17.10 will be Unity 7. Unity 8 and Mir will just be abandoned.
[13:22] <k1l_> petersaints_: a lot of assuming on your side there :)   fact is, we dont know if the theming will be put back to pre 10.10 style (i doubt that) the question is if we get a vanilla gnome now or a franken gnome.
[13:25] <petersaints_> k1l_: I'm not expecting to be similar to the old GNOME 2.x style. But I expect Canonical to developt a custom GTK+ Style and Wallpaper to match. And, yes... I also want pure GNOME. In fact, that's the reason why I moved away from Ubuntu GNOME. It has gotten better but it's not truly pure.
[13:26] <Adam___> I need help on how to chat on facebook via terminal.
[13:26] <nzoueidi> lol..
[13:26] <BluesKaj> petersaints_, https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
[13:26] <Wulf> Adam___: telnet www.facebook.com 443   have fun.
[13:27] <k1l_> petersaints_: right now we dont know what path with gnome-shell as desktop will be taken. i guess the 17.10 development path will show where the journey will lead to
[13:29] <darkad> ioria: I can't use the network because ther's an error with libgudev
 thanjk you man :)
[13:32] <Wulf> Adam___: you're welcome
[13:32] <darkad> this is the second time with ubuntu that I have problems after the grub update, on my macbook
[13:37] <ioria> darkad,  do you have an eth cable ?
[13:43] <stevarino> hey all, i keep getting "please enter passphrase for disk" for what i believe is my swap partition after encrypting my home directory. any  way to fix this? most of the online search results are 2015
[13:45] <FMan> why did you encipher your swap?
[13:45] <FMan> destroy it and make a new swap?
[13:46] <C0ns0le> HI all
[13:47] <stevarino> FMan: i didn't do anything beyond the initial install disk when it comes to partitions. i'll give that a shot if no one else has anything, thank you.
[13:48] <FMan> hm, sounds weird... did you check the possible validity of any of those results from 2015?
[13:48] <gardon> or its parent directory is not owned by the current user and the cache has been disabled. Please check the permissions and owner of that directory. If executing pip with sudo, you may want sudo's -H flag.
[13:48] <gardon> Anyone?
[13:49] <gardon> The directory '/home/x/.cache/pip/http' or its parent directory is not owned by the current user and the cache has been disabled. Please check the permissions and owner of that directory. If executing pip with sudo, you may want sudo's -H flag.
[13:49] <gardon> How to fix that error?
[13:52] <stevarino> FMan: a lot were dealing with 14.04... mixing versions sounds dangerous. however i did just find https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/1447282
[13:52] <stevarino> FMan: apparently upgrading from 16.04 to 16.10 has lead to some success with this bug: http://askubuntu.com/questions/776439/why-enter-passphrase-for-cryptswap
[13:56] <anamik> Hey everyone, anyone here can help me out really quick with providing me a distribution template for ubuntu-mate 16.04?
[13:57] <anamik> Something happened and it got changed for which no ppa is being added its all over the place
[13:58] <KristijanZic> http://www.unity8.org/
[13:58] <anamik> https://www.pastiebin.com/58e6498e06ac7
[14:02] <Azureus> good morning
[14:02] <Azureus> i cant install linux on lenovo ideapad 100s 11 lby
[14:03] <Azureus> any ideas ?
[14:17] <spaceboy> Salutations
[14:19] <spaceboy> say I'm trying to uninstall google chrome, I do a dpkg --list, I see the program as "google-chrome-", when I try to sudo apt-get --purge remove google-chrome- it says the file cannotbe found.
[14:21] <darkad> ioria:no I don't have an ethernet connection
[14:22] <kostkon> spaceboy, you could type apt-cache policy google- then press tab to autocomplete
[14:23] <spaceboy> kostkon: thank you!
[14:23] <Sander> Whats the ubuntu phone channel name again?
[14:24] <kostkon> spaceboy, does it say it is installed?
[14:24] <Berma> anyone know if rsyslog will log nginx stuff?
[14:25] <Berma> looking for a way to log ip's that visit my webserver
[14:25] <andywork> Sander: #ubuntu-touch
[14:25] <paul__> Yea, Ubuntu is dropping Unity
[14:26] <andywork> and phone
[14:26] <andywork> and tablet
[14:26] <paul__> Yea yea ye
[14:26] <paul__> I quit being an op here after supporting this place for years.. all because of Unity..
[14:28] <spaceboy> kostkon: yes, it is just listed as "google-chrome-stable"
[14:28] <kostkon> spaceboy, ok
[14:32] <darkad> ioria: thanks anyway I'll abandone the external os
[14:33] <SeppoHovin> hi everybody
[14:33] <andywork> paul__: because of the development of Unity8?
[14:34] <paul__> Andy80: I hated unity from the start
[14:34] <paul__> andI moved to Mint
[14:34] <Andy80> paul__: why are you telling this to me :) ?
[14:35] <paul__> Thought you were talking to me
[14:35] <andywork> I am right here paul
[14:35] <Andy80> :D
[14:35] <andywork> \o/
[14:35] <paul__> Im still waking up.
[14:36] <adac> Where can I see if my autofs mount is still mounted?
[14:36] <adac> since when I access it it will automatically mounted
[14:38] <kgbme> !autofs | adac
[14:39] <daveomcd> I just attempted a sudo apt-get upgrade, and it was doing the upgrade but now the GUI is completely frozen.  Anyone know what steps I need to do to recover?
[14:39] <adac> kgbme, hmm yes Iw as tehre , but I think this information I was asking is not there :/
[14:40] <adac> kgbme, I think syslog has some info!
[14:40] <kgbme> adac: really, not sure!..:) can't remember the last time i used it! xD
[14:40] <adac> yepp you can see it in syslog
[14:40] <adac> cool :)
[14:47] <helpless> My ubuntu installation did not go well, turns out installing a linux to Lenovo Miix 2 is quite difficult
[14:48] <_yeeve> anyone had trouble with the mysql server 5.7 update and sql_mode/group-by changes?
[14:48] <helpless> grub-efi-ia32 fails to install every time, what should I do?
[14:48] <nacc> _yeeve: better asked in #ubuntu-server
[14:48] <_yeeve> Cheers nacc, will do
[14:49] <wadadli> Ubuntu UNITY is GNOME-MORE.
[14:50] <Guest57057> *apt autoremove* ends in error.
[14:51] <nacc> Guest57057: please pastebin the command and output
[14:51] <Guest57057> any one tries https://github.com/gaining/Resetter
[14:52] <Guest57057> @nacc I broke the apt while I tried to install this. https://github.com/gaining/Resetter
[14:52] <equipo02> :v
[14:52] <obeattie> Hi. I have just installed Ubuntu in a VM. When I try to boot it I get a message saying "/dev/sda2 clean, …/… files, …/… blocks" and then it seems to proceed no further (I do not see a login prompt). Does anyone have any idea what could cause this?
[14:53] <Camron> Any thoughts on the ending of Unity
[14:53] <Guest57057> @nacc http://paste.ubuntu.com/24328022/
[14:54] <MadPsy> Camron, #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:54] <andywork> MadPsy: really?
[14:56] <MadPsy> andywork, given the amount of chat it caused brought down the forums, a discussion in a support channel would likely cause a lot of noise, don't you think
[14:56] <Camron> once this happens not very many users will be using ubuntu at all. After 2018 Ubuntu will be a pure cloud based os
[14:57] <Guest57057> any way to hide these user logged in logout popups? :/
[14:57] <daveomcd> I'm trying to recover my ubuntu after having to do a hard reset after the entire machine locked up during a 'apt-get upgrade' -- I went into recovery mode and did fsck - but it seems its frozen on "Reached Sound Card"
[14:58] <andywork> MadPsy: ok
[14:58] <pavlos> Guest57057, right click on the channel, hide Messages
[14:58] <pavlos> Guest57057, right click on the channel, settings | hide Messages
[14:59] <nacc> Guest57057: how did you 'break apt'? do you mean it failed to isntall?
[14:59] <Guest57057> @pavlos . :D (y)
[15:00] <Camron> The point that I am tring to make is that 99% or the users in this roon are using Ubuntu in some form as a personal system. That will no longer be the case after secound quater of 2018
[15:01] <Guest57057> @nacc ya i failed to install that deb from github. no no that was in flow i said breaked. the problem is when I run apt autoremove it shows error
[15:01] <mo1991reg> is anyone here running 16.10?   and if so can you tell me the output of this command "gtk-window-manager --help"
[15:01] <andywork> mo1991reg: "command not found"
[15:02] <mo1991reg> andywork - hmm, I guess you need to have all of compiz installed - like compiz config settings manager
[15:04] <nacc> Guest57057: right, if someting failed to install, it can be hard to remove it
[15:04] <krytarik> Camron: You clearly didn't read the full news.
[15:04] <nacc> Guest57057: it's trying to install it in order to remove it
[15:04] <nacc> Guest57057: as it's in a half-state right now
[15:05] <nacc> Camron: also, go to the offtopic channel as directed
[15:05] <Guest57057> @nacc eh! it would be great, if i can install it. ubuntu is now junk. i need to reset it. :/
[15:05] <nacc> Guest57057: uh ... you used some 3rd party deb doesn't make 'ubuntu ... junk'
[15:06] <nacc> Guest57057: and doing things as root assumes you know what your'e doing
[15:06] <nacc> Guest57057: you would need to contact the 3rd party for support for their .deb
[15:07] <Guest57057> @nacc hey, what I meant currently I'm facing a lot of ram usage. so I was in a search of resetting ubuntu. then I reached https://github.com/gaining/Resetter and tried but it failed to install
[15:07] <nacc> Guest57057: or use `dpkg -P resetter`
[15:07] <nacc> Guest57057: what? you want all your ram to be used
[15:09] <Guest57057> @nacc hey dpkg -P resetter worked. :)
[15:10] <nacc> Guest57057: ok, but to be clear "facing a lot of ram usage" is nonsense
[15:12] <Guest57057> @nacc 1354mb ram is consuming by system for running 3 tabbed chromium and terminal. :/
[15:12] <nacc> Guest57057: browsers tend to be memory hogs
[15:12] <nacc> Guest57057: but that does't really matter and isn't a bug
[15:13] <nacc> Guest57057: unless you see OOM conditions, which you haven't said yet
[15:13] <nacc> Guest57057: do you see some performance issue?
[15:14] <BenderRodriguez> What irks me about the abandonment of Unity is the thousands of hours wasted in developing it
[15:14] <BenderRodriguez> think of all the Gnome bugs and enhancements that could've been squashed upstream all this time
[15:14] <nacc> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 7:48 AM, Simon Déziel<EMAIL_ADDRESS>wrote:
[15:14] <BenderRodriguez> it's truly depressing
[15:14] <nacc> > ** Tags removed: verification-needed
[15:14] <nacc> > ** Tags added: verification-done-trusty verification-needed-xenial
[15:14] <nacc> >
[15:14] <nacc> > --
[15:14] <nacc> > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
[15:14] <BenderRodriguez> ...
[15:14] <nacc> > report.
[15:15] <BenderRodriguez> nacc: next time, https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:15] <nacc> grrr, sorry everyone
[15:15] <pauljw> heheh...
[15:16] <nacc> stupid palm misdetection
[15:16] <nacc> BenderRodriguez: in any case, take it to offtopic, please
[15:16] <BenderRodriguez> nacc: no.
[15:16] <BenderRodriguez> it's on topic
[15:16] <nacc> BenderRodriguez: yes, it's offtopic
[15:16] <nacc> BenderRodriguez: it is not a support topic, please take it elsewhere
[15:16] <pavlos> BenderRodriguez, join #ubuntu-discuss
[15:16] <BenderRodriguez> nacc: I'm going to ask to you cease and desist from making demands
[15:17] <Guest57057> @nacc I faced oom when I tried to run 4 or 5 app.
[15:17] <nacc> Guest57057: ok, that's a bug, and what you should have led with :)
[15:17] <nacc> Guest57057: do you have a log of the oom?
[15:18] <adam_> How do i run a .run file
[15:18] <OerHeks> BenderRodriguez, discussion in #ubuntu-discuss, this is technical support , btw unity does not stop or disappear.
[15:18] <nacc> adam_: you probably need to make it executable then ./....run; but hopefully you know what it does
[15:18] <Guest57057> @nacc no. that is why I planned a reset my macine.
[15:18] <adam_> Thank you
[15:19] <nacc> Guest57057: seems easier to just reinstall? I don't know what resetter is or does, but it's not part of ubuntu afaict
[15:20] <Guest57057> @nacc can you check this? https://github.com/gaining/Resetter
[15:21] <rektide> i ugpraded to 17.04, but if i boot with a 4.10 kernel i cannot 'sudo'.... the prompt never appears. i keep having to pick a 4.4 kernel.
[15:21] <rektide> any ideas what to try, what might be wrong?
[15:21] <SeekCFW> i am on Linux Mint so is it ok ifi stay and help in the ubuntu chats?
[15:22] <OerHeks> rektide, untill release, join #ubuntu+1
[15:22] <nacc> SeekCFW: you can be on whatever OS to help ubuntu users
[15:22] <nacc> SeekCFW: but mint is not ubuntu, fwiw
[15:23] <OerHeks> SeekCFW, it could be helpfull if you give ubuntu answers, not mint workarounds
[15:23] <SeekCFW> i have a dual boot of mint and ubuntu lol that is why i asked
[15:24] <SeekCFW> but thank you @OerHeks and @nacc
[15:26] <dannyLopez> Hi, I install WPS Office, but in Awesome cant launch, I need to know the name CLI to launch with Mod4+R
[15:27] <nacc> dannyLopez: what is "WPS Office"? is it an ubuntu package?
[15:28] <dannyLopez> Is not a package, is a .deb
[15:28] <dannyLopez> https://www.wps.com/
[15:28] <nacc> dannyLopez: you would need to ask wherever you got the .deb from
[15:28] <OerHeks> dannyLopez, try wps[tab] .. but why cli name as it makes starter icons?
[15:28] <nacc> dannyLopez: or you can `dpkg -L <pkgname>` ?
[15:29] <dannyLopez> OerHeks: Only works wps, and launch Writer, I need launch the otrer programs
[15:29]  * OerHeks wonders why starting gui programs from comandline
[15:29] <OerHeks> use [tab]  again?
[15:29] <dannyLopez> Yes
[15:30] <OerHeks> [tab][tab][tab][tab][tab] and all possible wps programs will go by
[15:30] <dannyLopez> nacc: The list show wps-office, but Awesome cant launch wps-office
[15:31] <linuxman> comment ca fonctionne sur hexchat
[15:31] <dannyLopez> OerHeks: [tab] "wps "
[15:31] <dannyLopez> Is the only option
[15:31] <nbari> hi all, I am trying to create a ppa for https://immortal.run, it depends on golang >= 1.7 but don't properly undestand how to use the source code so that it can be compiled in launchpad for multiple platforms, or I should use/crosscompile my own binaries ?
[15:32] <nacc> nbari: do you know how to make source packages? or are you making a snap?
[15:32] <nbari> I do have the .deb files, the problem is more about how to make compile them from the ubuntu/lanunchpad servers
[15:32] <nacc> nbari: the .deb files are already compiled
[15:32] <nbari> but on my laptop
[15:32] <nacc> nbari: you need a source package to use a ppa
[15:33] <nbari> I have the debian/ structure with multiple files but is just uploading the .deb I created
[15:33] <nbari> but I would like this to be compiled on launchad,
[15:33] <nbari> or it is not posible ?
[15:34] <nacc> nbari: you are not building a source package then -- how are you building? typically you `dput` a changes file to the ppa
[15:35] <nbari> I am looking something like the makefiles on FreeBSD in where I create a Makefile
[15:35] <nacc> nbari: that's not how packages work
[15:35] <nacc> nbari: well, it sort of is, d/rules is a Makefile
[15:35] <nbari> oh ok
[15:35] <nacc> nbari: i'm not sure if you understand the distinction between source and binary pckages?
[15:36] <bulkaman> @asdf
[15:36] <nbari> from my undestanding source is what i have in github and package is the final .deb right ?
[15:36] <nacc> nbari: no
[15:36] <nbari> within debian/source <--- should I put there the code ?
[15:37] <nacc> nbari: well, it depends on what you have on github, i suppose
[15:37] <nbari> true, on github I have the .go files
[15:37] <nbari> the source it self
[15:37] <nacc> nbari: right that would be the 'orig tarball'
[15:37] <nacc> nbari: eventually
[15:37] <nbari> ok and that's supposed to be in debian/source dir ?
[15:37] <nacc> no
[15:38] <nacc> nbari: did you read https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ or related?
[15:38] <nacc> nbari: specifically 2.1 or so
[15:38] <dannyLopez> :(
[15:39] <nacc> dannyLopez: sounds like a bug in Awesome? i don't know what you mean "Awesome cant launch wps-office"
[15:39] <nbari> some of them but I got confuse with multiple terms/tools, maybe beacause I am use to plain Makefiles https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/blob/master/sysutils/immortal/Makefile
[15:39] <nacc> nbari: freebsd is irrelevant
[15:39] <nacc> nbari: if you are trying to build for ubuntu
[15:40] <nbari> right, but wondering If I could take advangate of the makefiles
[15:40] <nbari> but seems not
[15:40] <nacc> nbari: that's what debian/rules does already
[15:40] <nbari> ok
[15:40] <dannyLopez> nacc: Failed to execute child process "wps-office" (No such file or directory)
[15:40] <nacc> nbari: i think you just need to read the debian pages
[15:40] <nbari> right
[15:40] <nacc> dannyLopez: can you pastebin the `dpkg -L wps-office` output?
[15:40] <nbari> I will check the link you post
[15:40] <nacc> nbari: and there are packaging specific channels
[15:41] <nacc> nbari: are you able to build .debs locally?
[15:41] <nbari> yes, but that's something I would like to avoid, since I am crosscompiling
[15:41] <nacc> nbari: ok, then you don't need to do anything probably
[15:41] <nacc> nbari: how are you building locally?
[15:41] <nacc> nbari: what command?
[15:42] <nbari> https://github.com/immortal/immortal/blob/master/Makefile#L38
[15:42] <nbari> make
[15:42] <generic> why is wireshark not working if network-manager is off ?
[15:42] <nbari> that ends calling goxc
[15:42] <nbari> and creates the .deb
[15:42] <generic> i don't need network-manager to capture packets do I ?
[15:43] <nacc> nbari: i have no idea what goxc is
[15:43] <nbari> no worries, at the end I can just do go build .....
[15:43] <nbari> but is something that can be donde from launchapd right ?
[15:43] <nacc> nbari: right but that's not a debian source pacakge
[15:43] <nacc> nbari: i think you need to read how debian packaging works, what you have is not an appropriate thing to upload to lp afaict
[15:43] <nacc> nbari: you might instead build it as a snap fwiw
[15:44] <nacc> generic: no
[15:44] <generic> nacc: then why doesn't it work ?
[15:44] <nbari> at the end launchpad (having the proper recipie debian package source) should be capable of generating the binaries ritht ?
[15:45] <nacc> nbari: yes, given a source package, lp can build binary packges from it
[15:45] <nacc> nbari: lp only build packages not 'binaries' in the traditional sense
[15:45] <nbari> any template or example I could use that depends on golang >= 1.7 ?
[15:45] <nacc> generic: i don't know, you didn't state any problem, you just asked a question
[15:45] <dannyLopez> Yuju, Spreadsheets == et, Presentation wpp
[15:45] <dannyLopez> nacc OerHeks ^
[15:46] <nacc> dannyLopez: i asked for a paste of output and you provided a few random strings
[15:46] <generic> nacc: If I try to start wireshark with network-manager off wireshark is stuck at loading screen
[15:46] <nacc> generic: do you have anything setup to configure the interface(s) without network-manager?
[15:46] <dannyLopez> I found the comands to launch in Awesome
[15:47] <nacc> nbari: https://github.com/Debian/dh-make-golang ?
[15:47] <generic> nacc: just an ifconfig do I need monitor-interface ?
[15:47] <OerHeks> dannyLopez, good find, wpp
[15:47] <nbari> many thanks for the info/links will take a look
[15:47] <dannyLopez> And Spreadsheets is et
[15:48] <nacc> generic: i don't know
[15:48] <generic> nacc: what did you mean by configure interface ?
[15:49] <generic> nacc: i wonder why it makes any difference .. should capture packets with whatever config ..
[15:50] <OerHeks> generic, you use networkmanager, or you hardcode your interfacefile and disable networkmanager, basicly
[15:50] <nacc> generic: ifconfig is what i meant -- i don't know if wireshark was waiting for you to setup an interface to listen on
[15:50] <shanee> Hello. I've set up a computer for google hangout conferencing at work. However, the audio is fairly poor. Has anyone got experience with this kind of thing? If I installed several microphones around the room could I combine them with JACK for better quality or is there a better way?
[15:51] <generic> OerHeks: what do you mean by hardcode interfacefile ?
[15:51] <toshiba_leather> hello, my dear friends. nothing.
[15:51] <generic> OerHeks: ifconfig ?
[15:52] <Sinned> the config file where all the settings are in from your interface.
[15:52] <nacc> typically /etc/network/interfaces
[15:52] <Sinned> ^
[15:52] <nacc> generic: but wireshark being 'stuck' at loading screen -- i would run it from terminal and see if it emits anything
[15:53] <generic> nacc: done already
[15:53] <generic> nacc: no luck
[15:53] <nacc> generic: you might need to pass flags for verbosity or so
[15:54] <Sinned> when does it hang? "loading the configuration files"?
[15:55] <generic> nacc: no such flag .. wireshark -D not working though :(
[15:57] <generic> wireshark -i ensX not working too
[15:57] <dtu> 123
[15:59] <pavlos> generic, wireshark -D should list all the interfaces it can capture ...
[16:00] <generic> pavlos: not with network-manager disabled :(
[16:00] <OerHeks> or you use networkmanager, or you hardcode your networksettings ..
[16:01] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[16:01] <generic> thanks
[16:01] <pavlos> generic, can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[16:02] <generic> auto lo / iface lo inet loopback
[16:07] <generic> added interface config .. without effect
[16:10] <jacopo> Need audio help please
[16:11] <jacopo> XPS 13 9350
[16:13] <jacopo> Anyone out there with a similar system
[16:15] <jacopo> Need audio help  XPS 13 9350 Ubuntu 16.04
[16:15] <OerHeks> jacopo, explain your issue, someone might know the answer
[16:16] <jacopo> No audio from the audiojack the problem persist for a year now, I give up but now I really need for teleconferencing
[16:16] <k1l_> jacopo: look at the alsamixer if its muted
[16:17] <EldonMcGuinness> So is all the news true? We are going back to Gnome in 18.04?
[16:17] <jacopo> the alsamixer doers not detect the mic
[16:17] <jacopo> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2346574
[16:17] <k1l_> EldonMcGuinness: yes, for chat about that better join #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:18] <EldonMcGuinness> thanks
[16:18] <OerHeks> jacopo, maybe this post on the dell wiki is any help >> http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/os-applications/f/4613/p/19978148/20911705#20911705
[16:18] <EldonMcGuinness> Personally, I'm loving the decision heh, but I'll head on over there
[16:18] <jacopo> Thank you i will go through and report if no solution
[16:23] <Greench> I tried to install "redis-stable" on 14.04 but I sorta failed. It's not in the system directories, the tests failed and server won't listen to client. Could someone help?
[16:24] <nacc> !info redis-stable trusty
[16:24] <nacc> Greench: --^ no such package
[16:24] <Greench> I installed it manually
[16:24] <Greench> should I not?
[16:24] <Greench> is it just incompatible with 14.04?
[16:26] <choki> how to MAKE ubuntu great again?
[16:28] <OerHeks> Greench, this page shows a lot of things you need to do https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-redis-on-ubuntu-16-04
[16:29] <Greench> I'll check that out
[16:29] <Greench> do I need to uninstall first?
[16:30] <OerHeks> Greench, oh wait, you are on the old 14.04, not with systemD ..
[16:30] <OerHeks> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-use-redis
[16:30] <OerHeks> Greench, no, just pick up the guide after install
[16:31] <OerHeks> but beyond this, i have no experience with redis.
[16:31] <nacc> !info redis-server trusty | Greench
[16:31] <nacc> Greench: that is the supported version of redis on Ubuntu
[16:31] <nacc> Greench: *Ubuntu 14.04
[16:31] <nacc> Greench: if you want to use the upstream version, you need to seek support from them
[16:33] <Greench> thanks! I did not install the dependencies mentioned in the tutorial, so that might have been the issue. I'll try and let you know.
[16:38] <mikeymop> i dont know what distro to use not that unit is dead
[16:38] <mikeymop> unity*
[16:38] <mikeymop> its the only DE i actually liked
[16:38] <OerHeks> unity is not dead.
[16:38] <Zewwy> Is Ubuntu Sverer 16.04 LTS protected from this?
[16:38] <mikeymop> just not hte default?
[16:38] <Zewwy> http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q3/650
[16:38] <mikeymop> OerHeks:
[16:38] <Zewwy> with all the latest updates
[16:38] <mikeymop> what makes you say this
[16:38] <k1l_> Zewwy: ubuntu.com/usn got a cve search
[16:38] <OerHeks> mikeymop, yes, that is what the news says
[16:39] <Zewwy> thanks
[16:39] <mikeymop> OerHeks: i mean i'll be staying on 16.04 for the 5 years it's supported, so hopefully something crops by by then
[16:39] <nacc> Zewwy: uh, which version of ubuntu? looks to have been fixed inthe lucid days
[16:40] <Zewwy> I posted my version; 16.04 LTS
[16:40] <k1l_> nacc: its long time fixed
[16:40] <OerHeks> Zewwy, https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2014/CVE-2014-6271.html  points to https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2014/CVE-2014-7169.html = fixed
[16:40] <Zewwy> Nice, my Palo ALto firewalls caught an attempt of said vuln
[16:40] <nacc> Zewwy: sorry, missed it -- using enter as punctuation makes it hard to see sometimes
[16:40] <Zewwy> so even if my Firewall didnt' catch it, it wouldn't have orked
[16:40] <Zewwy> Thanks guys
[16:41] <stasisdotcd> Hello!  I'm a new-ish Ubuntu 16.04 user and have been having a hard time installing apps graphically (through the Software Center) - usually I click install, it greys out for 5-10 seconds, then "unclicks"...anyone else have this issue?
[16:41] <stasisdotcd> I've been installing from terminal in the meantime...
[16:41] <OerHeks> StatelessCat, did you run updates first, before installing?
[16:41] <nacc> stasisdotcd: are you suing 'software' or 'software center' (gnome-software vs. ubuntu-software-centre iirc)
[16:41] <stasisdotcd> "Ubuntu Software"
[16:41] <stasisdotcd> nacc:
[16:41] <nacc> yeah don't use that :)
[16:41] <stasisdotcd> oh...lol
[16:41] <nacc> iirc
[16:42] <stasisdotcd> school me
[16:42] <xangua> Aren't both the same/fork? nacc
[16:42] <nacc> xangua: no, one is deprecated and now removed in 17.04
[16:42] <nacc> xangua: iirc
[16:42] <xangua> Ooh
[16:42] <nacc> and has tons of bugs :)
[16:42] <stasisdotcd> can i just upgrade to 17.04
[16:42] <nacc> use gnome software
[16:42] <stasisdotcd> yeah "Ubuntu Software" is crazy slow too
[16:42] <nacc> stasisdotcd: if you are new, i would not recommend it
[16:42] <stasisdotcd> ok...
[16:42] <nacc> stasisdotcd: stay on the LTS while you learn
[16:42] <stasisdotcd> how do i get gnome?
[16:43] <OerHeks> synaptics is my best friend since 9.04
[16:43] <StatelessCat> «06T184128* OerHeks | StatelessCat, did you run updates first, before installing?» >> I always do this ^^
[16:43] <nacc> stasisdotcd: iirc, `sudo apt install gnome-software`
[16:44] <stasisdotcd> installing gnome now...what steps do i take after its done?
[16:44] <nacc> stasisdotcd: it should show up in the dash or whatever as 'software' (I think)
[16:44] <cerfkhan><PHONE_NUMBER>93303492844
[16:45] <stasisdotcd> ok..lemme check nacc
[16:45] <nacc> stasisdotcd: just use that, it behaves similarly to what you were using before
[16:45] <stasisdotcd> ok wonderful
[16:45] <stasisdotcd> will it do system updates, etc?
[16:45] <nacc> stasisdotcd: not sure what you mean? you eman the notificatoin like "there are system updates to install"?
[16:46] <Greench> redis working, thanks :)
[16:46] <herakles> Hi, i am looking for a cli tool for network monitoring..., any hints ?
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> herakles: wireshark
[16:57] <KnightW0rk> evening
[16:58] <implite> hi
[16:59] <jacopo> Someone help me with audio problem, want to say thank you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:00] <jacopo> I get audio from the audiojack after almost one year!!
[17:01] <anddam> does Videos app have a stay-on-top feature?
[17:01] <anddam> or is it something for the wm?
[17:01] <anddam> that is a per-window setting
[17:16] <yengas> hey guys. is there a chance that i could prove someone's mail server received my mail, after sending a mail?
[17:16] <yengas> someone is saying that they haven't received my mail. but the mail is in my sent box and i haven't received a delivery failure notification
[17:16] <dkettman> yengas: All you can do is make sure it hit the next hop by looking at your mail logs. You will only be able to do that if you control the mail server it went out from.
[17:17] <yengas> @dkettman unfortunately i'm using outlook
[17:17] <nacc> lol
[17:17] <nacc> yengas: this is the ubuntu support channel...
[17:17] <dkettman> yengas: Then unfortunately, no. Maybe speak to your Exchange administrator.
[17:17] <nacc> yengas: not sure how we'd be able to help with outlook
[17:17] <naidang> hello
[17:18] <yengas> nacc: i didn't know where to ask since this is a question about SMTP. pretty sure there isn't an active channel for that.
[17:18] <yengas> dkettman: thanks!
[17:18] <nacc> yengas: it didn't seem to be a question about SMTP (nor did you mention it) -- and it would only be relevant if somewhere along the way was an Ubuntu server.
[17:18] <nacc> yengas: there is a generic linux channel, but i'm guessing it's all windows, for which there is a channel as well
[17:31] <dishantgupta> hi
[17:31] <dishantgupta> how can i join a group?
[17:32] <YankDownUnder> dishantgupta: Type: "join /#groupname"
[17:32] <dishantgupta> join /#python
[17:32] <mark76> RIP Unity
[17:32] <YankDownUnder> dishantgupta: OOOPS, sorry it's : "/join #groupname"
[17:32] <YankDownUnder> Lack of coffee
[17:32] <daveomcd> I'm updating Ubuntu and it has stopped on "Setting up apport (2.20.3-0ubutu8.2). is there anything i can do??
[17:32] <dishantgupta> what if the group not present ?
[17:32] <dishantgupta> doesn't exist
[17:33] <YankDownUnder> dishantgupta: /join #python
[17:33] <OerHeks> it is ##python
[17:34] <OerHeks> oh, both exist, #python and ##python
[17:39] <Fuchs> official one is #python
[17:39] <Fuchs> requires a registered account, mind. And these are channels, not groups.
[17:41] <erle-> Why not give the next Ubuntu a Greek name starting with Alpha?
[17:42] <erle-> like Astrological Archaeopterix
[17:42] <erle-> Can still be written in ASCII, but would be a nice follow-up to Z
[17:42] <OerHeks> why give it a name at all?
[17:42] <erle-> Greek species names are vastly available anyway
[17:42] <genii> !ot | erle-
[17:42] <erle-> genii, thanks and sorry
[17:43] <erle-> genii, I will stay for a while and support a newbie, I promise :)
[17:47] <genii> erle-: Also, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#Code_Name_Suggestions
[17:49] <Alex_____> hi everyone
[17:51] <tfitts> if you have a startup script in /etc/init.d that isn't running how you expect, where would the error output end up?
[17:52] <OerHeks> tfitts, depends, on 16.04 you could look in journalctl, or dmesg
[17:52] <tfitts> I have a script in /etc/init.d that is supposed to run on startup and keep a mosquitto_sub client open and pipe the output to a printer port.  I can see that the script is executing because it creates a file when it starts but the client is not running so I'm trying to track down the error
[17:52] <erle-> genii, I cannot edit it
[17:54] <EriC^^> tfitts: also you can let the script output somewhere using "script.sh >/some/log 2>&1"
[17:54] <tfitts> do I do that when I setup the script to run on startup or I do it within the script?  I'm not just running it from the command line.
[17:56] <generalpask> Anyone know why, for uRxvt, .Xdefaults executes properly but .Xresources does not?
[17:57] <erle-> >POTSDAM. Die Potsdamer Garnisonkirche ist zwar noch nicht mal wieder aufgebaut, doch Brandenburgs Kulturministerin Martina Münch (SPD) hat schon einen Verwendungsvorschlag für das Gotteshaus. Moslems in Potsdam könnten darin endlich eine passende Gebetsstätte finden.
[17:57] <erle-> kek
[17:57] <erle-> wrong chan
[17:59] <ducasse> generalpask: do you load .Xresources somewhere? aiui, it's up to the de/wm or user to do so.
[18:00] <ManInTheMirror> hi there, I want to set fixed ip address to my ubuntu box
[18:00] <ManInTheMirror>  I did it by 'ifconfig eps123 <IP_ADDRESS> up' but then after some time it went away
[18:01] <ManInTheMirror> is there some process that messes up ifconfig configuration ?
[18:01] <bekks> Yes, the dhcp client.
[18:01] <ManInTheMirror> bekks: how do I shut it down?
[18:01] <bekks> ManInTheMirror: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[18:02] <generalpask> ducasse: yeah, i xrdb it from my home folder. for example it doesn't let me set the background color. i use .Xdefaults currently and it works, but i feel like it should be in .Xresources
[18:02] <brainwash> generalpask: urxvt reads .Xdefaults directly. if you want to use .Xresources instead, you will have to load it via xrdb
[18:02] <brainwash> generalpask: read the man page for urxvt
[18:03] <generalpask> ducasse: will do
[18:03] <generalpask> ducasse: xrdb'ing doesn't work though
[18:04] <ducasse> generalpask: .Xresources work fine with urxvt for me, how do you load them?
[18:04] <generalpask> ducasse: xrdb ~/.Xresources
[18:05] <generalpask> ducasse: i did a reinstall recently actually, i'll see if it works now
[18:06] <ducasse> generalpask: that's what i do when i've changed them, works fine.
[18:09] <generalpask> ducasse: apparently it works fine now, after the reinstall. thanks a lot for the help anyways :)
[18:10] <lapion> Does anyone know how to disable senindg ipv6_syncookies ?
[18:11] <lapion> sending
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> lapion: the #netfilter guys might know that one?
[18:12] <lapion> Thanks
[18:14] <ManInTheMirror> bekks: I added static IP network configuration to  /etc/network/interfaces; but every time I reboot that configuration is wiped out; what's another process that wipes out my configuration?
[18:14] <nacc> ManInTheMirror: on a desktop? are you using network-manager?
[18:15] <bekks> ManInTheMirror: Please pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces and provide the link to your pastebin
[18:15] <OerHeks> ManInTheMirror, disable networkmanager, that is your culprit
[18:15] <ioria> ManInTheMirror, anything in  /etc/network/interfaces.d/ ?
[18:16] <daveomcd> I'm updating Ubuntu and it has stopped on "Setting up apport (2.20.3-0ubutu8.2). is there anything i can do??
[18:17] <ManInTheMirror> bekks: https://pastebin.com/RSXv7Yue
[18:18] <ioria> ManInTheMirror, there is nothing in there
[18:18] <ManInTheMirror> ioria: because it got wiped out
[18:18] <nacc> daveomcd: in theory /var/log/dpkg.log might tell you waht it's doing, or you can try to look at top
[18:18] <ioria> ManInTheMirror, anything in  /etc/network/interfaces.d/ ?
[18:18] <ManInTheMirror> ioria: that's what I'm talking about, every time I reboot it gets wiped out
[18:18] <ManInTheMirror> ioria: nope, that dir is empty
[18:18] <ioria> ManInTheMirror, server ?
[18:18] <ManInTheMirror> nacc: it might be network-manager, maybe
[18:19] <ManInTheMirror> ioria: I have regular Ubuntu 16.04LTS distro
[18:19] <ioria> ManInTheMirror, ps -A | grep NetworkMananger
[18:19] <ManInTheMirror> ioria: it's pretty much vanilla, didn't really configure much at that point
[18:19] <ducasse> ManInTheMirror: what does /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf look like? is 'managed' set to true?
[18:19] <ioria> ManInTheMirror, sorry, ps -A | grep NetworkManager
[18:20] <ManInTheMirror> ioria: yeah, network-manager is up and running
[18:20] <nacc> ManInTheMirror: so why are you trying to use /e/n/i ?
[18:20] <nacc> ManInTheMirror: what's your goal, i mean
[18:20] <ManInTheMirror> ducasse: [ifupdown] managed=false
[18:20] <ManInTheMirror> nacc: I want to have static IP address that's persistent after reboots
[18:21] <pauljw> why not use network manager to configure the interface
[18:21] <ManInTheMirror> pauljw: I guess I can do that too
[18:21] <nacc> ManInTheMirror: right, just NM for it
[18:21] <ioria> ManInTheMirror, you can set static in NM, but it does not answer your question
[18:21] <nacc> ManInTheMirror: no need to muck with /e/n/i and get into conflicts :)
[18:21] <ManInTheMirror> nacc: is it 'Network Connections' on the dashboard?
[18:21] <pauljw> or click the icon on your desktop...
[18:22] <daveomcd> nacc, how do i access that if it's "frozen"
[18:22] <nacc> ManInTheMirror: i'm not sure, but i'd guess so?
[18:22] <ioria> ManInTheMirror, just, click on Network icon -> Edit connection
[18:22] <nacc> daveomcd: you mean your system is frozen?
[18:22] <nacc> daveomcd: you can't open another terminal?
[18:22] <daveomcd> well I updated from shell, like I did ctrl+alt+F6 (i believe) and then did it
[18:22] <ducasse> ManInTheMirror: which ubuntu is this, exactly?
[18:22] <ManInTheMirror> ducasse: 16.04LTS
[18:23] <daveomcd> nacc, it's frozen when ive run in gui and i couldnt' do anything but restart, and then after restarting it wouldn't reboot
[18:23] <ManInTheMirror> ducasse: /etc/debian_version says 'stretch/sid'
[18:23] <ioria> ManInTheMirror,  you may need to stop and disable NM
[18:23] <daveomcd> nacc, is there a way to start another shell?
[18:24] <nacc> daveomcd: well, you can, in theory, drop to another tty (e.g. ctrl+alt+f5)
[18:24] <daveomcd> nacc, yea that doesn't do anything
[18:25] <daveomcd> nacc, i created a "VMWARE SNAPSHOT" though... I could go back if there is a safer way to update without it freezing?
[18:25] <nacc> daveomcd: oh this is in a VM?
[18:25] <daveomcd> nacc, yes vmware workstation 12 pro, the ubuntu 16.10 is the guest, windows 10 host
[18:26] <nacc> daveomcd: i'm not sure, if you have a snapshot, id' see if the hang is reproducible and file a bug
[18:26] <ManInTheMirror> ioria: nacc: so Network Manager preserves the static IP address configuration, that's cool
[18:26] <daveomcd> nacc, ok, yes it happens every time I've reinstalled multiple times
[18:26] <ioria> ManInTheMirror,  yeah
[18:27] <ManInTheMirror> ioria: nacc: but it doesn't automatically bring the interface up
[18:27] <daveomcd> vmware told me to seek help from the distro though so thats why i came here
[18:27] <ioria> ManInTheMirror,  look in the first tab
[18:27] <nacc> daveomcd: right, so i'd file a bug or see if one is already filed
[18:27] <ioria> ManInTheMirror,  'General'
[18:28] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[18:28] <CountryfiedLinux> What will become of Ubuntu Gnome next year? Will Ubuntu Gnome 17.10 update to Ubuntu or Ubuntu Gnome?
[18:28] <bekks> CountryfiedLinux: To Ubuntu. The default desktop environment for Ubuntu will be Gnome then.
[18:28] <nacc> CountryfiedLinux: #ubuntu-discuss
[18:29] <nacc> CountryfiedLinux: also we don't technically know yet, but what bekks said :)
[18:29] <erle-> Unity is already Gnome with a different Shell
[18:29] <nacc> CountryfiedLinux: Ubuntu Gnome will presumably stay a flavor though, in 17.10, if i had to absolutely guess
[18:29] <erle-> nothing will change as far as I know
[18:29] <erle-> Unity8 was non-Gnome
[18:29] <CountryfiedLinux> nacc: I'm just curious if it will update into what the default Ubuntu desktop will be. And also curious if Unity will break or not when updating to Ubuntu with Gnome.
[18:30] <bekks> CountryfiedLinux: Most likely, Unity will be uninstalled and replaced by Gnome.
[18:30] <nacc> CountryfiedLinux: well, given that 17.10 hasn't started yet ...
[18:31] <numb3r> mode +Z
[18:32] <arooni> how do i disable some unity shortcuts such as super + a , super + e ?  would like to replace with something else
[18:32] <erle-> CountryfiedLinux, Unity 7 has nothing to do with Unity 8
[18:32] <erle-> Unity 7 is Gnome
[18:32] <erle-> it is Nautilus, GEdit etc.
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | erle-
[18:32] <erle-> Unity 8 was never launched
[18:33] <CountryfiedLinux> Unity 7 is Unity 7. I'm just curious if updating to 18.04 will be a smooth process.
[18:33] <nacc> CountryfiedLinux: we can't tell you, but presumably yes
[18:33] <tgm4883> !discuss | CountryfiedLinux
[18:33] <ioria> arooni, what super +e does ?
[18:34] <OerHeks> arooni, both are not used, i see
[18:34] <arooni> how do i find out which button is pressed when i hold down my mouses scroll bar
[18:34] <OerHeks> unless super + a = applications, then it is hardcoded??
[18:35] <arooni> suepr + e shows my unity bar with shortcuts for each app
[18:35] <ioria> arooni,  btw,  systemsettings->keyboard->shortcuts
[18:37] <nacc> arooni: xev ?
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> hey alkisg
[18:39] <Belldandu> Hey all. So i have a github repository that requires libtool-bin for ubuntu 14.04 (most of the packages except this one were not ported up to Xenial)
[18:40] <Belldandu> However ubuntu seems to have removed the libtool-bin binary from every ubuntu version except the latest (xenial and up)
[18:40] <ioria> ManInTheMirror, hey, there an error here 'iface lo inte loopback?  should be 'iface lo inet loopback'
[18:41] <alkisg> Hey lotuspsychje!
[18:41] <alkisg> Hi all
[18:42] <OerHeks> Belldandu,  this page says otherwise.. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtool/
[18:42] <Belldandu> libtool-bin not libtool
[18:43] <nacc> OerHeks: Belldandu: yes, it appears that libtool-bin wasn't in the src package earlier
[18:43] <OerHeks> oh my bad ..
[18:43] <hamdjan> why is there no znc.service file in ubuntu? how do i stop/start znc server in ubuntu or have it be started automatically on startup
[18:44] <kinesis> excuse me
[18:44] <Belldandu> Yeah https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/amd64/libtool-bin
[18:44] <nacc> Belldandu: hrm, i think something may have been dropped
[18:44] <kinesis> how do i get courier-pop to not run as root? thanks
[18:45] <Belldandu> Says it was deleted
[18:45] <nacc> Belldandu: right, so 2.4.2-1.6ubuntu1 had an extra chagne in it to split it out
[18:45] <nacc> Belldandu: then 2.4.2-1.6ubuntu2 dropped that
[18:45] <kinesis> excuse me #eritrea
[18:46] <Joel> other than building a package from source, is a chroot the only other way to install a package to a different path?
[18:46] <Belldandu> fun
[18:46] <nacc> Belldandu: and so you can just install libtool, afaict
[18:46] <nacc> Belldandu: and it's in there, rather than split-out
[18:46] <Belldandu> Aight
[18:46] <Belldandu> Thanks
[18:46] <nacc> Joel: why would you want to do that?
[18:47] <pvl1> hey , does a lack of servers here mean i need to compile: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/armhf/libgcrypt20/download
[18:47] <nacc> pvl1: "lack of servers"?
[18:48] <pvl1> no servers are listed
[18:48] <pvl1> repo servers
[18:48] <blacknred0> these are news, eh? -> http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/canonical-ends-ubuntu-unity-linux-desktop-in-favor-of-gnome
[18:48] <nacc> pvl1: well, you wouldn't want that version anyways
[18:48] <nacc> pvl1: as there is a security update in 12.04 after that
[18:48] <pvl1> probably not
[18:48] <nacc> pvl1: also, 12.04 is about to eol
[18:49] <nacc> pvl1: bah, sorry, misread my output
[18:49] <pvl1> i thought trust was 14.04
[18:49] <nacc> pvl1: ok, 14.04 :)
[18:49] <nacc> blacknred0: #ubuntu-discuss please
[18:49] <nacc> pvl1: security update is still relevant
[18:49] <blacknred0> nacc: thanks for the fyi
[18:49] <nacc> pvl1: any reason you are downloading rather than using a pkg manager?
[18:50] <pvl1> hm. ill ask in linaro. but bc apt cant find it either
[18:50] <nacc> pvl1: hrm rmadison shows it
[18:50] <pvl1> and the only version i can download is libgcrypt11
[18:51] <arooni> can i make compiz key bindings override alt + menu shortcuts within an app?
[18:51] <nacc> pvl1: http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/universe/libg/libgcrypt20/
[18:51] <nacc> pvl1: i see armhf debs there
[18:51] <nacc> pvl1: note that on trusty it's in universe
[18:52] <Capum321> hello
[18:53] <arooni> can i disable unity shortcuts somehow
[18:55] <pvl1> hm
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> !hotkeys | arooni
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> arooni: you can also tune things in compizconfig-settings-manager if you like
[18:56] <OerHeks> arooni, i think those are hardcoded .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1022743 and this post with suggestions that do not work .. superd
[18:56] <OerHeks> http://askubuntu.com/questions/896575/unity-change-superd-shortcut/896748
[18:56] <Joel> chroot it is, crap, was hoping there was an easier way
[18:57] <pvl1> nacc: per the developers recommendation, i should use these repos: https://ptpb.pw/ihpa
[18:57] <Capum321> how to run a .deb package in a different user account, less privileges, a normal account
[18:57] <pvl1> whats the differences and should i just add what you prsented
[18:57] <OerHeks> Capum321,  you don't run .deb packages as user.
[18:57] <pi_leon_EU> hi
[18:58] <ducasse> Capum321: you don't run .debs, you install them (which requires root)
[18:58] <nacc> Joel: did you answer the question?
[18:58] <pi_leon_EU> can someone help me i am lookinging for an wifi bruteforce apk (Android which requires no root)
[18:58] <Capum321> i see. how to install then? calling the root user from this normal user session.
[18:59] <Joel> nacc, I saw your unrelated question, and ignored it, if that's what you mean.
[18:59] <ducasse> Capum321: 'sudo dpkg -i filename.deb'
[18:59] <nacc> Joel: absolutely related, because it doesn't make sense -- packages are for the system and have hardcoded paths
[18:59] <nacc> Joel: if you would have just answered, maybe someone could help you
[18:59] <minimec> Capum321: 'sudo -i <user with admin rights', then 'sudo dpkg -i <package>', then 'exit'
[19:00] <Capum321> tried with gksudo -u rootuser gdebi
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> pi_leon_EU: are you looking for the android channel perhaps?
[19:00] <nacc> Capum321: i don't think you need to pass a user to gksudo
[19:00] <Joel> nacc, your reply is still unrelated, because package paths can be changed.
[19:00] <pi_leon_EU> yeah were can i find the Android channel
[19:00] <nacc> Joel: you can pass --root= to dpkg
[19:00] <nacc> Joel: but since you seem to know your answer, i'll leave it
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> pi_leon_EU: type /j #android
[19:01] <pi_leon_EU> thx
[19:01] <Capum321> why not? what is done with the command gksudo -u someroot gdebi ?
[19:02] <pi_leon_EU> I am looking for Tor in ubuntu does someone has a link???
[19:02] <OerHeks> !tor
[19:02] <nacc> Capum321: note, that installing .debs requires root -- which if you're using non-ubuntu packages a) means you are no longer on ubuntu proper and b) can lead down dependency hells
[19:02] <pvl1> pi_leon_EU: have you heard of google? or duckduckgo?
[19:02] <pvl1> theyre really great tools
[19:02] <pi_leon_EU> yeah thx bro
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> pvl1: please dont suggest google to users
[19:02] <Capum321> nacc noted down
[19:02] <OerHeks> pvl1, asking that is useless, this is the ubuntu support channel.
[19:02] <pvl1> lotuspsychje: what do you search in
[19:02] <nacc> Capum321: well, i assuemd you were running gksudo as your user
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> pvl1: be helpful instead
[19:03] <pvl1> im sorry but getting them links to tor is... of questionable help imho
[19:03] <arooni> once i edit a .scopes files ; do i have to reboot ubuntu  for it to take effect?
[19:03] <nacc> Capum321: i guess if you are not, then you might need -u
[19:03] <Capum321> no, I am trying to install this package in another user session, normal one
[19:03] <Capum321> didn't work
[19:03] <nacc> Capum321: all user sessions are "normal"
[19:04] <Capum321> like i said
[19:04] <nacc> Capum321: you mean you hve two users, one of which is not allowed to sudo?
[19:04] <OerHeks> Capum321, then change to the 1st user account, easy peasy
[19:04] <Capum321> nacc yes
[19:05] <nacc> Capum321: ok, then you would need to use -u. What error did you get from gdebi?
[19:05] <lookcrabs> anyone use a free otp + openvpn setup without pam?
[19:05] <Capum321> brb
[19:05] <nacc> pvl1: yes, those look right
[19:05] <nacc> pvl1: are you not using those now?
[19:06] <OerHeks> lookcrabs, why without PAM ? all guides use it.
[19:08] <lookcrabs> OerHeks: I don't want to have local user accounts (even if they are not able to login). So i would like to avoid pam if I can.
[19:08] <Capum321> nacc it asks for regular user password, not 1st user, and says "'2nd user' not in sudoers file"
[19:09] <pvl1> nacc: thats what im using. what you sent doesnt have the ubuntu-ports subdomain, er subrepo?
[19:11] <alami> :D
[19:12] <nacc> pvl1: that's how the ports site works, iirc
[19:12] <pvl1> weird...
[19:12] <nacc> Capum321: can you pastebin the output and which user has sudo and not?
[19:13] <ioria> Capum321, usually that means that the user it's not in the sudo group
[19:13] <Capum321> the output is what I wrote. 1st user has privileges granted and 2nd user i created for family usage
[19:14] <Capum321> so I should add 2nd user to sudo group?
[19:14] <ioria> Capum321,  type 'id' ... should tell you
[19:14] <ioria> Capum321,  yes, if you want use sudo with that user
[19:15] <Capum321> but I don't want to give privileges to that users
[19:15] <ioria> Capum321,  ah, ok
[19:15] <Capum321> user*. I mean is there a way to call 1st user?
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> Capum321: then logout to your 1st user
[19:15] <ioria> Capum321,  call 1st user ?
[19:16] <Capum321> gksudo -u 1stuser gdebi doesn't work in 2nd user session
[19:16] <ioria> Capum321,  login command from terminal you mean ? not without sudo
[19:17] <Capum321> terminal session*
[19:17] <OerHeks> if you had switched to the 1st account, it would be fixed a hour ago.
[19:17] <pi_leon_EU> can someone tell me where i can find the sources file in ubuntu mate
[19:17] <pvl1> nacc: i was able to download with apt-get download. weird. i think im in a dependency issue. but thank you for showing me that link
[19:17] <pvl1> is there a way to search
[19:18] <Capum321> OerHeks: but I want to run the application in the 2nd user, thats why I am trying to install with gdebi
[19:18] <pi_leon_EU> can someone tell me where i can find the sources file in ubuntu mate
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> Capum321: what kind of application?
[19:19] <pi_leon_EU> can someone tell me where i can find the sources file in ubuntu matecan someone tell me where i can find the sources file in ubuntu matecan someone tell me where i can find the sources file in ubuntu mate
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> !patience | pi_leon_EU
[19:19] <Capum321> lotuspsychje: the bank online application
[19:19] <tgm4883> pi_leon_EU: /etc/apt
[19:19] <pi_leon_EU> thx
[19:20] <ducasse> Capum321: you can run a program as any user, regardless of which user installs it with sudo
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> Capum321: is that a .deb installable? or an exe?
[19:21] <Capum321> ducasse: so I install with 1st user in its session then go back to 2nd user to run it?
[19:21] <ducasse> Capum321: sure
[19:22] <ducasse> Capum321: as long as it's a .deb
[19:22] <nacc> Capum321: only 'root' (which is wht a user sudo'ing is) installs packages. But all users can run the programs from that package (generally).
[19:22] <nacc> Capum321: and it will run as their user
[19:22] <mrasker> hello, i updated ubuntu 14.04 and i don't have internet access. Is tehre any issue with the last updates?
[19:22] <ioria> Capum321,  unless that app requires sudo
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> mrasker: what does lsb_release -a say?
[19:23] <nacc> Capum321: but also i don't undrestand, your bank provides you a .deb? if it's an online application, just open the browser?
[19:23] <mrasker> let me see, I'm in another computer
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> mrasker: check if its 14.04.5?
[19:24] <mrasker> yes it is 14.04.5
[19:24] <ioria> mrasker, uname -r ?
[19:24] <Capum321> and I can't isntall it from a non sudo user? like what I understand from `gksudo -u 1stuser gdebi` it should ask for 1st user password and run gdebi with privileges?
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> mrasker: could you check sudo lshw -C network to see if driver= is loaded correctly?
[19:25] <Ben64> Capum321: the end result is the same, root installing a package
[19:25] <Capum321> nacc no, the provide a deb for linux systems accessing their bank account
[19:25] <nacc> Capum321: ah interesting
[19:25] <nacc> Capum321: no, i think you misunderstand the -u option
[19:25] <mrasker> 3.13.0-116-generic
[19:25] <nacc> Capum321: it specifies the "target" user to run a command as
[19:25] <nacc> Capum321: e.g., the default is root
[19:26] <nacc> Capum321: so your user2 tried to run teh command (gdebi) as user1
[19:26] <ioria> mrasker, ok what's the problem exactly ?
[19:26] <nacc> Capum321: and user2 does not have sudo, so can't do so, and further it wouldn't make sense, you'd need user1 to also use sudo
[19:26] <nacc> Capum321: i really don't undrestand the use case, though
[19:27] <nacc> Capum321: unprivileged users shouldn't be installing packages, or trying to
[19:27] <mrasker> it is connected to my wired network but i can't access iternet. But i can access the router for example.
[19:27] <ioria> mrasker, ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:28] <pavlos> mrasker, output of 'route -n'
[19:28] <LufyCZ_> Hi, I have just a quick question: On my Android device, when I connect my wireless adapter with an OTG adapter directly, i can see it in my interface list, but when I connect it through an USB hub (to connect my keyboard and such), I only see it in lsusb. What can I do to get it working ? Thanks
[19:29] <Ben64> LufyCZ_: this is #ubuntu
[19:29] <LufyCZ_> And ?
[19:29] <Ben64> android questions aren't on topic
[19:29] <LufyCZ_> Its still linux
[19:29] <Ben64> this isn't ##linux
[19:29] <nacc> LufyCZ_: this is *ubuntu* support
[19:29] <nacc> LufyCZ_: not linux support
[19:29] <LufyCZ_> they havent helped me on the kali linux irc
[19:30] <Ben64> well android isn't kali either
[19:30] <mrasker> ping says 26 packets transmitted, 26 received
[19:30] <nacc> why would they? it's not kali
[19:30] <LufyCZ_> Ive got kali nethunter installed
[19:30]  * nacc sighs
[19:30] <OerHeks> kali is debian, lolz
[19:30] <ioria> mrasker, ping  www.google.com
[19:31] <LufyCZ_> Its a terminal with kali packages installed
[19:31] <Ben64> it isn't, but this whole discussions doesn't belong here. i suggest you find an appropriate android channel
[19:31] <mrasker> ping www.duckduckgo.com says 13 packets transmitted, 13 received
[19:32] <ioria> mrasker, so... can't you run  sudo apt update ?
[19:32] <OerHeks> LufyCZ_, succes in the kali channel
[19:33] <LufyCZ_> OerHeks: Nobody replied
[19:34] <LufyCZ_> Well thanks....
[19:34] <LufyCZ_> I guess
[19:34] <OerHeks> LufyCZ_, like we care? be patient there.
[19:34] <mrasker> mmmm i noticed that the problem lays in firefox and thunderbird . I thought it was the whole system
[19:34] <ioria> mrasker, do you have packets lost ?
[19:35] <mrasker> i don't know o_0
[19:35] <alkisg> Capum321: I haven't seen all your chat, but maybe you were looking for something like this? (from user1): su - user2 (and then as user2 which is sudoer): sudo dpkg -i package.deb. All this from a terminal in user1 session, without logging off.
[19:35] <ioria> mrasker, it's in the ping command
[19:36] <mrasker> no, everything in the ping is ok
[19:36] <ioria> mrasker,  what version of firefox ?
[19:37] <promet> 16.04 seems to be having DNS issues, has broken my openvpn setup. Has anyone noticed this? Was working yesterday.
[19:37] <pi_leon_EU> NEED COMMAND TO DELETE
[19:37] <pavlos> mrasker, so firefox cannot go to any site?
[19:37] <nacc> alkisg: good idea, although i think the use case is still weird :)
[19:37] <pi_leon_EU> NEED COMMAND TO DELETE
[19:37] <nacc> alkisg: works around need for sudo
[19:37] <nacc> !patience | pi_leon_EU
[19:37] <nacc> pi_leon_EU: also, stop yelling (all caps)
[19:37] <ioria> mrasker,  apt-cache policy firefox | head -n 2
[19:37] <qpnao> hello people, I am having problems with my wifi, in that my entire system freezes whenever I try to connect
[19:37] <pavlos> pi_leon_EU, to remove a file, rm file
[19:37] <pi_leon_EU> thx
[19:37] <qpnao> I'm using ubuntu 16.04
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> qpnao: system up to date to 16.04.2?
[19:38] <Capum321> alkisg: what su - user2 does?
[19:38] <alkisg> nacc: I use that when my kid is logged in to his PC, and I need to install something. Instead of logoff/logon as alkisg, I just run su - alkisg and sudo apt install...
[19:38] <nacc> alkisg: right that makes sense, but only for you to do in a session
[19:38] <nacc> alkisg: as it needs your password :)
[19:38] <qpnao> lotuspsycheje: no, I can try that
[19:38] <alkisg> Capum321: it's like a "login user2". It asks for user2 password and logs in as user2.
[19:39] <Capum321> so I can't the opposite way?
[19:39] <nacc> promet: i think others have complained of the same. There might be a bug for it
[19:39] <nacc> Capum321: can't what?
[19:39] <OerHeks> Capum321, haven't you tried to install from the 1st account yet ???
[19:39] <Capum321> in user2 session `su - user1` and install the package?
[19:40] <nacc> Capum321: the specific users were just examples
[19:40] <mrasker> firefox 52.0.2 64bit can't access any site
[19:40] <promet> nacc, thanks!
[19:40] <alkisg> Capum321: sure, as long as user1 is the sudoer
[19:40] <Capum321> ok, i thinks thats what I was looking for
[19:40] <promet> If anyone has a line on this DNS/Resolv issue, please, do tell...
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> mrasker: working good here
[19:41] <ioria> mrasker,  using proxy ?
[19:43] <mrasker> :(
[19:44] <mrasker> no, i'm not
[19:47] <mrasker> oh my god! i found the solution
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> mrasker: feedback to us?
[19:48] <pavlos> mrasker, are you blocking outbound traffic?
[19:50] <mrasker> i noticed that the hour and date was wrong in the system. It was in April (maybe the internal barttery is discharged)
[19:50] <mrasker> firefox and thunderbird started working after i set the right hour and date.
[19:50] <mrasker> firefox and tunderbird don't like to recognise that I come from the future with my delorean :)
[19:53] <wedgie> mrasker: that would do it. Crypto stuff is often quite sensitive to date and time
[19:53] <ioria> can someone confirm that ff not working with a wrong date/time ?
[19:53] <Qp> hello, I've got the latest version of ubuntu and connecting to any wifi network makes my entire computer freeze. I've looked at various solutions online and none of them seem to be any help
[19:53] <wedgie> ioria: i'd expect it to choke on any https site
[19:54] <ioria> wedgie, thanx
[19:54] <wedgie> depending on how far off it was, that is
[19:54] <mrasker> Thanks for everything. Ubuntu irc is always full of great people
[19:57] <pavlos> ioria, I set up mt date to 27 APR and I can still use FF
[19:57] <ioria> pavlos, thanx
[19:58] <Qp> these seem to be some relevant lines from the system log: http://imgur.com/a/4qu0C
[20:03] <pvl1> nacc: it was dependency hell
[20:04] <txtechnow> hmm so canonical is abandoning Unity? ^_^
[20:05] <StatelessCat> txtechnow: Good news ^^
[20:06] <StatelessCat> txtechnow: are they abandonning the silly idea of Mir instead of Wayland ?
[20:07] <promet> If anyone ends up having DNS resolution issues, especially as pertains to VPN connects, this is the bug that is most fitting my current investigation: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24329691/
[20:09] <k1l> txtechnow: StatelessCat #ubuntu-discuss for this topic, we focus on technical support in here
[20:12] <gmfraser> gmfraser
[20:13] <mrrobot_> hi
[20:13] <implite> hi
[20:13] <generalpask> heyo
[20:13] <mrrobot_> i have problem with ftp server
[20:14] <implite> ???
[20:14] <mrrobot_> can you help me
[20:14] <ducasse> !details | mrrobot_
[20:15] <mrrobot_> i want hack ftp server
[20:15] <ducasse> !illegal | mrrobot_
[20:15] <mrrobot_> but idk
[20:15] <k1l> mrrobot_: we dont support that in here.
[20:15] <mrrobot_> i just want to learn