[01:43] <blahdeblah> Is it weird of me that whenever I see $LAYER_PATH, I think SLAYER_PATH, and start thinking it's about metal?  Slayer? Excellent! (insert Bill + Ted sound bite here)
[01:48] <rick_h_> blahdeblah: you've found out our secret!
[01:48] <blahdeblah> rick_h_: :-D
[01:48]  * blahdeblah cranks up some metal
[08:20] <BlackDex> Hello there. I have the status: "agent is lost, sorry! See 'juju status-history ceph-osd/3" && "agent is not communicating with the server"
[08:20] <BlackDex> I have restarted the agent on the servers but that doesn't seem to do the trick
[08:21] <BlackDex> i can ping the bootstack server from the client-machine
[08:22] <lathiat> BlackDex: what command did you use to restart the agent
[08:22] <lathiat> thats a known issue you can restart the main jujud agent (not the unit specific part) to fix iirc
[08:23] <BlackDex> lathiat: on the machines 'sudo initctl list | grep juju | cut -d" " -f1 | xargs -I{} sudo service {} restart'
[08:25] <BlackDex> also a restart of the server isn't working
[08:26] <lathiat> on xenial?
[08:26] <BlackDex> trusty 14.04.4
[08:29] <lathiat> what services does that restart in what order.. i fyou rnu like sudo ceho service {} restat instead
[08:30] <BlackDex> sudo service jujud-unit-ntp-6 restart
[08:30] <BlackDex> sudo service jujud-unit-ceph-osd-0 restart
[08:30] <BlackDex> sudo service jujud-machine-8 restart
[08:30] <BlackDex> sudo service jujud-unit-ntp-1 restart
[08:30] <BlackDex> sudo service jujud-unit-ceph-mon-0 restart
[08:30] <BlackDex> hmm... two ntp's :p
[08:33] <BlackDex> ah, thats because of ceph-mon and ceph-osd
[08:33] <BlackDex> on the same machine
[08:33] <BlackDex> the strange thing is, it worked before
[08:33] <lathiat> try restart the the machine agent first maybe
[08:36] <BlackDex> hmm
[08:36] <BlackDex> for some reason it has the wrong IP
[08:36] <BlackDex> wrong subnet
[08:38] <BlackDex> the bootstack server has two interfaces one external and one interal
[08:38] <BlackDex> and now it uses the external interface
[08:39] <BlackDex> i mean bootstrap
[09:01] <BlackDex> lathiat: I'm now setting the correct ip address in the agent.conf and resting the agents
[09:01] <BlackDex> that should work
[09:01] <BlackDex> strange that it has been adapted
[09:01] <BlackDex> that fixed it :)
[09:02] <lathiat> ok interesting
[09:02] <lathiat> the ip of the api server, or somtehing else?
[09:03] <BlackDex> yea, of the bootstrap node
[09:51] <Odd_Bloke> Hello all!  We have a CI environment configured using the jenkins and jenkins-slave charms.  However, we have some credentials that the slaves need access to that, currently, we just manually provision to the slaves.
[09:51] <Odd_Bloke> We're using mojo to deploy our environment(s), so we do have a good way of managing secrets.
[09:51] <Odd_Bloke> But we don't have a good way of getting those secrets on to hosts.
[09:52] <Odd_Bloke> My first thought for addressing this is to have a subordinate charm which is configured with, effectively, a mapping from file name ->
[09:52] <Odd_Bloke> content.
[09:53] <Odd_Bloke> Does that sound like a reasonable solution?  Does anyone know of anything like this that already exists?
[10:41] <BlackDex> lathiat: Strange. The bootstrap server has 2 ip's
[10:42] <BlackDex> one external and one internal
[10:42] <BlackDex> i need to force bootstrap to push the internal IP instead of the external as IP to the agents
[10:45] <lathiat> BlackDex: interesting, can you show me some more details on pastebin?
[10:56] <BlackDex> um
[10:57] <BlackDex> is there a way to change the bootstrap IP?
[10:57] <BlackDex> lets say you need to change because of infra changes
[11:07] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16316990/
[12:01] <jamespage> beisner, hey - I keep hitting an issue where the neutron-gateway is given and extra nic, but the ext-port config is not set...
[12:01] <jamespage> in o-c-t
[12:01] <jamespage> have you seen that?
[12:02] <jamespage> it causes failues in all of the tempest tests that check connectivity
[12:02] <lazyPower> Odd_Bloke - that does sound reasonable but its fiddly to have to configure a subordinate. I'm wondering if you can't use native jenkins Credentials on the leader, that way the slaves can use jenkins primitives to surface those credentials?
[12:08] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: Does the jenkins charm support loading credentials from configuration?
[12:10] <lazyPower> Odd_Bloke - i think the only credentials it exposes at present is the admin username/pass... to make it consistent it would probably need to be extended. at one point we were using some python helpers in there to configure the instance
[12:10] <lazyPower> but to be completely fair i haven't dug deep in the jenkins charm in > 4 months so i'm not sure whats going on in there these days.
[12:10]  * lazyPower looks
[12:10] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: I guess it also doesn't have any plugin-specific functionality ATM?
[12:11] <Odd_Bloke> (Looking at the documented config options at least)
[12:11] <lazyPower> right i'm seeing the same
[12:12] <lazyPower> jcastro - didn't we engage with cloudbees/jenkins upstream wrt the jenkins charm?
[12:13] <lazyPower> Odd_Bloke - well, my suggestion seems to involve a lot of engineering work, disregard me :)
[12:13] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: ^_^
[12:13] <lazyPower> but looking it over, it doesn't seem we're exposing a path to complete what you're trying to do with the charms.
[12:14] <lazyPower> and that a subordinate would be a workaround... but i'm hesitant to say thats the best path forward.
[12:16] <Odd_Bloke> Jenkins is a bit of a weird one.
[12:16] <Odd_Bloke> Because the files we want on disk are really part of the "workload" that Jenkins runs in jobs.
[12:16] <Odd_Bloke> Rather than the Jenkins workload itself.
[12:16] <lazyPower> yep
[12:16] <lazyPower> but, we do need to support rapidly deploying a workload on top of jenkins i feel
[12:17] <Odd_Bloke> We were looking at https://jujucharms.com/u/matsubara/ci-configurator/trusty/0
[12:18] <lazyPower> we've run into this very scenario quite a bit with our app-container workloads (kubernetes/swarm) - and layer-docker gave us an entrypoint into deploying/modeling workloads on top.  we're discussing what a layer for communicating with k8's and deploying k8s workloads looks like.. but it does somewhat decouple the workload from the charm as its runtime could be one of n units running kubernetes...
[12:18] <Odd_Bloke> But we were discouraged from having Jenkins configuration changes deployed by doing a charm upgrade, for reasons I can't remember.
[12:18] <lazyPower> almost seems like having jenkins as a layer, and a supporting library to model your workloads on top, then derive from layer-jenkinks to get your app runtime going, with a thin layer configuring jobs on top to make up your charm
[12:19] <lazyPower> i dont know that i like that either.. advocating for snowflake jenkins instances
[12:20] <lazyPower> i haven't had enough coffee... i'm going to go grab a cuppa and keep noodling this
[12:20] <Odd_Bloke> :)
[12:21] <lazyPower> one question tho: are these credentials to members participating? (eg: jenkins/0  and jenkins-slave/2) or are they unrelated units?
[12:21] <simonklb> the dhcp leases are not initially set correctly when using LXD as provider - not sure if this is a lxc issue or specific to juju because of some hostname managing?
[12:21] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: So the way we currently model our Jenkins stuff is that all jobs can run on all slaves, so we'd want the credentials on all slaves.
[12:22] <lazyPower> Odd_Bloke - that makes this significantly easier
[12:22] <lazyPower> you're now talking about a relation/interface modification
[12:22] <lazyPower> or a new one
[12:22] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: (Though our slaves are deployed in a different environment to our master, so they aren't actually related :( )
[12:22] <lazyPower> o
[12:22]  * lazyPower snaps
[12:22] <simonklb> anyone else have experienced any problems with DNS:es not working straight away when deploying a new charm?
[12:23] <lazyPower> simonklb - i cant point to a specific instance no, but having a bug to reproduce/reference would be helpful. If you file it targeted at juju-core and it belongs in lxd we can re-target teh bug for you.
[12:26] <simonklb> lazyPower: yea, the bug is kind of unspecific, the only thing I've found is that the dnsmasq.lxcbr0.leases file is not updated to the juju-xxx-xxx-.. hostnames right away
[12:26] <lazyPower> that sounds like a likely culrprit, yeah
[12:27] <lazyPower> are you on juju 2.0-beta6/beta7?
[12:27] <simonklb> 2.0-beta6-xenial-amd64
[12:27] <lazyPower> yep, ok
[12:27] <lazyPower> can you bug that for me? :)
[12:27] <lazyPower> i'll poke cherylj about it once its file and we can take a look
[12:28] <simonklb> thanks, I'll try to describe it :)
[12:28] <simonklb> btw do you know if there is any work done on the lxd profiles?
[12:28] <lazyPower> i know its been mentioned more than once
[12:28] <simonklb> I saw that docker support is not working with LXD until that is implemented
[12:28] <lazyPower> we have specific profiles for docker based workloads in lxd, there's some networking
[12:29] <lazyPower> and a few other concerns i've heard about wrt profiles, but i'm not 100% clear on what work is being done there
[12:29] <simonklb> lazyPower: this is the bug thread I saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1565872
[12:29] <mup> Bug #1565872: Juju needs to support LXD profiles as a constraint <adoption> <juju-release-support> <lxd> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1565872>
[12:30] <lazyPower> yeah :) that was my team poking about our workload support in lxd
[12:31] <jcastro> lazyPower: we did, why what's up?
[12:31] <lazyPower> jcastro - just curios on if upstream will be looking at the charms, and i knew we had WIP there. Odd_Bloke is deploying a jenkins workload, and the charms have an end of the sidewalk
[12:32] <jcastro> we're supposed to be maintaining it in their namespace
[12:32] <lazyPower> ooo jamespage still owns this charm
[12:33] <jamespage> ?
[12:33] <jamespage> jenkins?
[12:35] <marcoceppi> popey: sudo apt install juju
[12:35] <lazyPower> jamespage - yep
[12:36] <lazyPower> popey o/
[12:37] <jamespage> huh
[12:37] <jamespage> lazyPower, guess that's the side effect of being a 0 day adopter
[12:38] <jamespage> you forget about all that stuff you wrote :-)
[12:38] <lazyPower> haha
[12:38] <jamespage> lazyPower, I think you can blame me for ganglia as well
[12:38] <jamespage> lazyPower, dosaboy and beisner have something a bit more recent re jenkins - we should fold that work in and make it generally consumable if thats not already the case...
[12:39] <popey> marcoceppi: yeah, tried that, but it all failed so I gave up and span up a digital ocean droplet
[12:39] <lazyPower> Odd_Bloke ^
[12:39] <marcoceppi> popey: wait, what do you mean it all failed?
[12:39] <popey> the guide as it is written doesn't work on 16.04
[12:39] <marcoceppi> get-started?
[12:39] <popey> the one i linked to above, yes
[12:40]  * marcoceppi stomps off to correct things
[12:40] <popey> I didn't have time to debug it so switched to real hardware, sorry.
[12:45] <marcoceppi> popey: s/real hardware/other people's hardware/ ;)
[12:45] <popey> s/other people's hardware/working infrastructure/
[12:49] <simonklb> lazyPower: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1579750
[12:49] <mup> Bug #1579750: Wrong hostname added to dnsmasq using LXD <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1579750>
[12:50] <simonklb> let me know if you need any more info
[12:50] <lazyPower> We'll follow up on the bug if thats the case simonklb :) Thanks for filing this
[12:50] <nottrobin> does anyone know if anyone's tried adding http/2 support into the apache2 charm?
[12:50] <lazyPower> nottrobin - i don't believe so.
[12:51] <nottrobin> lazyPower: thanks. do you know if anyone's working on a xenial version of apache2
[12:52] <lazyPower> I haven't seen anything yet. Might be worth while to ping the list so it gets a broader set of eyes on it.
[12:53] <nottrobin> lazyPower: I guess maybe not: https://code.launchpad.net/charms/xenial/+source/apache2
[12:53] <lazyPower> nottrobin - right but the charm store no longer 100% relies on launchpad sicne the new store went live that could live somewhere in github or bitbucket for all we know :)
[12:54] <lazyPower> still a good idea to ping the list, someone else may be working on that very thing
[12:54] <nottrobin> lazyPower: oh right. didn't know that
[12:54] <nottrobin> lazyPower: where's the list? I'm not sure if I'm subscribed
[12:54] <lazyPower><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:54] <lazyPower> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju
[12:55] <mgz> nottrobin: the effort involved is probably not huge? so if you're keen, I'd go ahead and xenialize, and then link on the list.
[12:56] <nottrobin> mgz: yeah I'm thinking of giving that a go
[12:56] <nottrobin> mgz: enabling http/2 is more difficult as even in xenial the default version is compiled without http/2 support
[12:56] <mgz> yeah, but that can be another branch after.
[13:01] <nottrobin> mgz: yeah of course
[13:01] <nottrobin> but that's still my ultimate goal
[13:27] <beisner> hi Odd_Bloke, jamespage, lazyPower - afaik, the trusty/jenkins (python rewrite) has all previously pending bits landed.  i don't believe there is any secret delivery mechanism, though i do also have that need.  right now, we push things into units post-deploy.  a generic-ish subord or secrets layer sounds interesting.
[13:30] <beisner> jamespage, re: o-c-t, ack.  also seeing all tempest tests fail the nova instance ssh check.  have you diag'd yet?  if not, about to dive in.
[13:33] <lazyPower> beisner - i think if thats the case i'm more inclined to agree with a subordinate approach vs a layer, unless the layer is abstract enough to accomodate the volume of secrets a large deployment would need
[13:34] <lazyPower> similar to what kwmonroe and mbruzek pioneered with the interface: java work.    an interface with a complimentary framework to deliver java.... only we get an interface and a complimentary subordinate to deliver n^n secrets.
[13:36] <beisner> lazyPower, a swiss-army secrets-lander does sound nice.  i wonder if #is is doing anything along these lines with basenode or similar charms?
[13:36] <lazyPower> they might be
[13:37] <beisner> it seems like yes, but i can't put my finger on one atm
[14:04] <jamespage> beisner, o-c-t fixed up - the set call was not actually using the value provided.
[14:05] <beisner> wow wth lol
[14:07] <beisner> jamespage, thx for the fix!
[14:09] <tvansteenburgh> stub: ping to make sure you are aware of https://bugs.launchpad.net/postgresql-charm/+bug/1577544
[14:09] <mup> Bug #1577544: Connection info published on relation before pg_hba.conf updated/reloaded <PostgreSQL Charm:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1577544>
[14:11] <jamespage> beisner, np
[14:19] <simonklb> how can I debug the Juju controller/api?
[14:19] <simonklb> it's been dying on me several times just today
[14:27] <cholcombe> jamespage, for cinder it looks like we've settled on a model of 1 charm per driver?  Is that correct?
[14:28] <jamespage> cholcombe, yes - each is a backend, and can be plugged in alongside other drivers
[14:28] <lazyPower> mbruzek - have a minute to look over something with me?
[14:28] <cholcombe> jamespage, ok cool. i might have to do some copy pasta for huawei then
[14:28] <mbruzek> yar
[14:28] <jamespage> cholcombe, I'd prefer we did not
[14:29] <jamespage> cholcombe, the right way is to write a new cinder-backend base layer and use that :-)
[14:29] <cholcombe> oh?
[14:29] <cholcombe> ah yes that's what i meant hehe
[14:29] <jamespage> then the next one that comes along is minimal effort
[14:29] <jamespage> cholcombe, ok good :-)
[14:29] <jamespage> cholcombe, you might be trail blazing a bit here
[14:29] <thedac> Good morning
[14:30] <lazyPower> mbruzek https://github.com/chuckbutler/layer-etcd/commit/1b8648d41fa336496efbff47e6a643e550361ee6
[14:30] <lazyPower> this is a little frameworky script i threw together to lend a hand preparing resources offline. similar to what a make fat target would do, but the intention is not to include these files with the charm traditionally via charm push, but to attach them as resources
[14:31] <lazyPower> I wanted your input on this before i ran down the remaining changes, moving it from curl'ing on the unit to using resource-get, etc.
[14:32] <jcastro> popey: what was the issue specifically? I would like to fix it
[14:33] <popey> jcastro: the doc says to install an unavailable package
[14:34] <popey> 11:20 < popey> https://jujucharms.com/get-started - these instructions do not work on 16.04
[14:34] <popey> 11:21 < popey> E: Unable to locate package juju-quickstart
[14:34] <popey> 11:23 < popey> installing juju-core results in no juju binary being installed either.
[14:34] <jamespage> beisner, we need to switch post-deploy thingy to use mac of added interface, to deal with the network renaming in xenial...
[14:34] <jcastro> ack
[14:35] <jcastro> popey: ok, I see the problem, marco's fixing it now, ta
[14:35] <beisner> jamespage, yes, what's there was a quick fix.  we really need to pluck the mojo utils thing into a library proper and be able to use that outside of both o-c-t and mojo.
[14:35] <jcastro> that page is supposed to be revved. :-/
[14:35] <beisner> jamespage, b/c it is fixed much more elegantly and pythonic in the mojo helpers
[14:35] <jamespage> beisner, I'm sure it is ...
[14:35] <beisner> to use mac
[14:36] <simonklb> I got this from juju-db on machine-0: checkpoint-server: checkpoint server error: No space left on device
[14:36] <simonklb> still got space left on the host machine
[14:44] <jcastro> popey: that page was for trusty, apparently nobody bothered to check if it worked with xenial
[14:44] <popey> oops
[14:45] <popey> jcastro: it doesn't :)
[14:47] <jcastro> balloons: heya, we should add that to the release checklist.
[15:01] <simonklb> looks like the container gets full, located it to the /var/lib/juju/db folder
[15:01] <simonklb> a bunch of collection-*.wt files
[15:03] <simonklb> anyone can help me to find what is being written?
[15:03] <simonklb> this happens when I deploy a new charm
[16:29] <plars> ahasenack: you know that issue with lxc instances of xenial on trusty with juju/maas I was talking to you about last week? It looks like it was choking on systemd with a non-systemd host. So I tried to update my lxc-host in maas to deploy with xenial and hit something I think you've run into also: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1419041
[16:29] <mup> Bug #1419041: bootstrap failing  with gomaasapi 400 when updating MAAS images <landscape> <oil> <oil-bug-1372407> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1419041>
[16:29] <plars> ahasenack: oh wait, no I think this is the one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1537095
[16:29] <mup> Bug #1537095: [1.9.0] 400 Error juju bootstrapping missing images <landscape> <oil> <MAAS:In Progress by allenap> <MAAS 1.9:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537095>
[17:07] <suchvenu> Hi
[17:09] <suchvenu> Is it possible to change the status of a bug from Fix Released to Fix Committed?
[17:17] <suchvenu> For a recommended charm, if I need to do some updates can't I use the same bug ?  I changed the status from Fix Released to FIx committed, but it doesn't get reflected in Review Queue.
[17:40] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: no, to do updates you need to open a merge request
[17:43] <suchvenu> Hi Marcoceppi
[17:43] <suchvenu> ok, This is the stream where I have pushed my deployable charm
[17:44] <suchvenu> https://code.launchpad.net/~ibmcharmers/charms/trusty/ibm-db2/trunk
[17:44] <suchvenu> and layered charm is at lp:~ibmcharmers/charms/trusty/layer-ibm-db2/trunk
[17:45] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: but you're trying to update db2 in the charmstore, correct?
[17:45] <suchvenu> yes right. It don;t need any review ?
[17:48] <suchvenu> So i need to merge from ibmcharmers branch to charmers branch , right ?
[17:48] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: yes
[17:48] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: in doing so, that will create a merge that will automatically appear in the review queue
[17:49] <suchvenu> Will it updated in queue then ?
[17:49] <suchvenu> oh ok
[17:49] <suchvenu> and no need to attach a bug ?
[17:49] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: correct
[17:50] <marcoceppi> bugs are for charms that don't exist in the system yet
[17:50] <suchvenu> ok
[17:50] <suchvenu> And any reviewers to be added ?
[17:52] <suchvenu> I had changed the bug status from Review Fixed to Review Committed. Should I change it back ?
[17:53] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: link?
[17:55] <suchvenu> https://code.launchpad.net/~ibmcharmers/charms/trusty/ibm-db2/trunk
[18:01] <suchvenu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/1477057
[18:01] <mup> Bug #1477057: New Charm: IBM DB2 <Juju Charms Collection:Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1477057>
[18:07] <suchvenu> Marchceppi, should I change the status of Bug here ?
[18:17] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: you don't need to touch the bug anymore
[18:18] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: you need to go here, https://code.launchpad.net/~ibmcharmers/charms/trusty/ibm-db2/trunk and click "Propose for merging"
[18:20] <suchvenu> which should be the target branch ?
[18:21] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: cs:charms/trusty/ibm-db2
[18:21] <marcoceppi> err
[18:21] <marcoceppi> lp:charms/trusty/ibm-db2
[18:28] <suchvenu> Do i need to add any reviewers ?
[18:38] <mbruzek> suchvenu: No you do not have to add reviewers. This Merge Request will get picked up in the review queue
[18:45] <mbruzek> suchvenu: As long as charmers are on the merge you should be good
[18:47] <suchvenu> https://code.launchpad.net/~ibmcharmers/charms/trusty/ibm-db2/trunk/+merge/294153
[18:48] <suchvenu> created merge request
[18:57] <suchvenu> Thanks Marcoceppi for your help!
[22:26] <thedac> dpb: tribaal: +2 on the swift-storage change after manual tests run


[08:04]  * xnox you hear wind noise in the distance. Your options are: (a) look left (b) look right
[13:54] <wellsb> katie_: In today's design clinic, somebody mentioned using the indented style for the cards container of the blackjack app.  Where can I find more information about this?
[14:02] <katie_> hi wellsb
[14:04] <katie_> wellsb, just finding rosie to help answer :)
[14:07] <wellsb> katie_: Excellent.  Thanks


[14:57] <nazareno> Hello, I installed ubuntu studio, and I want to connect my guitar through the usb adapter. what program (s) have to use?
[15:03] <zequence> nazareno: Are you looking for a virtual amplifier?
[15:03] <zequence> nazareno: You'll need to run jack.  You'll need to choose your audio device, then start jack.
[15:04] <zequence> (in qjackctl)
[15:06] <nazareno> zequence: Thanks
[15:06] <zequence> nazareno: Many applications that need jack won't start until jack is running
[15:06] <nazareno> zequence: ok
[15:07] <nazareno> zequence: it recognizes th usb?
[15:07] <zequence> If your card is supported, yes
[15:08] <nazareno> zequence: ok, I'll try it, thanks!
[15:09] <zequence> nazareno: Once you have jack running, and the application that you like to use, you may need to connect your audio device with the application. In qjackctl you do this under "Connect"
[21:54] <florian_> hello
[22:55] <ubuntu> hola
[22:55] <ubuntu> Hi
[22:56] <Guest35203> need driver wifi  pleace help
[22:56] <Guest35203> somebody can help me?
[22:57] <Guest35203> i dont have driver wifi install
[22:58] <Guest35203> Hello?


[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[17:07] <JoseAntonioR> akgraner: any news?
[18:19] <akgraner> not yet most of these folks were sprinting this week - they'll get back to us :-) they always do


[00:59] <Scary_Guy> Virtual Desktop?
[01:00] <Scary_Guy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_desktop
[01:01] <Scary_Guy> "Compiz cube plugin"
[01:02] <Scary_Guy> I guess I just thought it was called that from the cube in the wiki?  IDk  Greg had it though
[17:46] <jrwren> oh my! https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2020-October/093922.html
[17:46] <jrwren> very intresting
[17:58] <greg-g> Not the first time that's happened, unfortunately.
[18:04] <cmaloney> bye bye sessions
[18:31] <_stink_> oh i thought at first something happened to jeff sessions
[18:50] <jrwren> wishful
[23:56] <jrwren> weird... i'm getting mixed measurements... rtorrent says over 70MB/s, but bmon syas 100Mbit... these don't equate


[02:05] <snap-l> Evening
[02:20] <widox> hey-o
[02:21] <rick_h_> party
[02:22] <rick_h_> greg-g: honestly, I'd wait until you got out there and checked coverage for where you're going to be
[02:23] <rick_h_> most do a 20-30 day trial where you can use a phone and return for only the service used
[02:23] <rick_h_> that way you can use it on the train, make sure it works, etc
[02:23] <widox> greg-g: seems like AT&T is a bad choice since everyone has an iPhone and the network is congested
[02:24] <widox> just a thought
[02:24] <rick_h_> yea, network out there won't match what you see out here
[02:24] <rick_h_> things get very regional
[02:29] <greg-g> rick_h_: yeah, but I was also thinking that having the phone would be nice on the road trip out there
[02:29] <rick_h_> yea, just warning is all
[02:29]  * greg-g nods
[02:29] <greg-g> definitely
[02:29] <rick_h_> getting stuck 2yrs with something that fails to work well fail
[02:29] <rick_h_> at least ping the people you know the that area
[02:29] <greg-g> totally
[02:29] <rick_h_> tmo might be good, cheaper, but only want that if the coverage is there
[02:29] <rick_h_> sprint the same, but smaller networks, etc
[02:29] <rick_h_> so safer are the big two
[02:30] <rick_h_> also heads up that rumor is new google nexus phone in the fall
[02:30] <rick_h_> with the new version of android OS
[02:32] <widox> anyone using chrome have broken developer tools? its just a white box for me :( rick_h_ ?
[02:36] <rick_h_> no, I've had that in the past, but not recently
[02:36] <rick_h_> is it a large page?
[02:37] <rick_h_> and have you tried restarting all of chrome
[02:38] <widox> seems to be any page
[02:38] <widox> yea, restarted
[02:38] <widox> and updated
[02:38] <widox> no joy
[02:38] <greg-g> won't the current version of the nexus be able to run the next verison of android, especially if I run my own mod?
[02:38] <rick_h_> hmm, nope, not seen that one
[02:38] <rick_h_> greg-g: right
[02:39] <rick_h_> the nexus S and the S 4g are on tmo/sprint
[02:39] <greg-g> ok, then oh well, there is always something better coming out :)
[02:39] <rick_h_> yea, just a heads up as I don't mind new stuff, but the current nexus have a few drawbacks
[02:40] <greg-g> oh?
[02:42] <rick_h_> yea, some battery issues and a few bugs
[02:42] <rick_h_> http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/
[02:42] <rick_h_> is related, but upcoming with much better reviews. Supposedly in US end of july
[02:42] <rick_h_> that's not a google phone though so updates are up to samsung/etc
[02:42] <rick_h_> but should be the best android phone when it hits
[02:44] <greg-g> awesome, thanks!
[02:44] <greg-g> got a tough choice ahead of me
[02:44] <greg-g> alright, sleep time now!
[02:44] <rick_h_> yea, just a bad time, with fall/school/holidays it's release season
[13:45] <snap-l> Good morning
[14:24] <rick_h_> party
[14:46] <snap-l> Getting ready to go do the grocery dance.
[14:57] <brousch> snap-l: way too late for that. after 10 on sundays is when all the churches let out and mob meijers
[15:03] <snap-l> heh
[15:51] <brousch> what the ... from a family member's FB post:
[15:51] <brousch> Norton Safe Web scanned my News FeedI don't need to worry about unsafe links - Norton Safe Web automatically keeps my wall safe!
[16:10] <rick_h_> lol
[17:10] <snap-l> God, that's like saying "I have a burgler alarm, so I can go to Downtown Detroit at night with $20 hanging out of my pocket."


[02:12] <daftykins> davef: found you! https://i.redd.it/frrrma0mxa321.jpg
[02:12] <davef> hahaha
[02:12] <davef> don't knock the crocs! :)
[02:12] <daftykins> :D
[02:13] <davef> i'm still rocking them. use them every day.
[02:15] <daftykins> when you find comfy shoes, there's no substitute!
[02:15] <daftykins> 'cept another pair, perhaps
[02:16] <davef> here's how old man I am.. I have sketchers m.fit for my casual outdoor shoe
[02:17] <davef> I did at one point have the New Balance dad shoe
[02:17] <daftykins> hmm must be a that-side-of-the-pond thing
[02:22] <davef> must be
[02:29] <daftykins> well i best get to bed, should be receiving a dishwasher delivery to...day :D
[02:29] <daftykins> if all goes well, i'll be reinstated with my usual lazy levels \o/
[15:56] <davef> I guess 22.04LTS is out
[15:59]  * zxmpi waits for a month or 3 to see what pops up
[16:07] <davef> I'm firing it up in a VM to see what it's all about
[16:12] <davef> so far seems pretty swift.. it seems Windows 11 and Ubuntu 22.04 have gone the rounded corners look


[02:06] <sbalneav> Evening all
[02:07] <HedgeMage> hi, sbalneav
[03:10] <Eeyore-Sr> hi sbalneav
[05:53] <admin__> hello
[05:54] <admin__> what is this
[05:55] <HedgeMage> hello, admin__
[05:55] <admin__> hi
[05:55] <HedgeMage> this is Edubuntu chat -- support, dev, the whole ball of wax
[05:55] <admin__> can you help me with kubuntu
[05:56] <HedgeMage> try #kubuntu or #ubuntu :)
[05:56] <admin__> #ubuntu
[05:56] <HedgeMage> and don't private message people for help, it's very rude and will ensure folks don't want to help you
[05:56] <admin__> ok
[05:56] <HedgeMage>  /join #kubuntu
[07:10] <kwak_> hi, 8.10 is 3 days away. will there be big problems if i use it for server now and install the current education addon
[13:20] <Eeyore-Sr> kwak_: i've been running 8.10 RC
[13:20] <Eeyore-Sr> in a test situation, but it appears to be doing ok
[13:39] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:26] <berriop> it is possible to use the compiz 3d desktop in the thin clients??
[14:26] <berriop> in the server is working ok but in the clients i cannot use it!!
[14:28] <berriop> ooops sorry i dint update the image
[14:29] <Eeyore-Sr> berriop: u need a fat clinet
[14:29] <ogra> Eeyore-Jr, it should work on TCs as well
[14:29] <ogra> at least on clients with intel cards
[14:31] <ogra> but you need to somehow circumvent the local tests for composite support compiz does on startup (i.e. it looks into Xorg.0.log of the server and checks the server HW ... behavior you dont want on on a thin client)
[14:32] <berriop> so do u have compiz working in your clients??
[14:37] <Eeyore-Sr> ogra: really?  now i am confused
[14:42] <berriop> sorry I have to left d computer for a while
[14:43] <berriop> so how can I make compiz to work in the clients?
[14:43] <berriop> now I am using a laptop as a server, a Acer aspire with intel drivers, i guess
[14:45] <ogra> berriop, we played with it in gutsy in the ltsp team ... i havent tried it since but there are surely ways to make it work
[14:46] <berriop> ogra: do you know about any documentation or howto where i can look a?
[14:47] <ogra> nope
[14:48] <berriop> ogra: were u able to set up the 3d desktop cube in the clients?
[14:48] <ogra> yes, there should be some videos on the net somewhere using a classmate PC as thin client
[14:48] <ogra> but dont ask me about the setup :)
[14:49] <berriop> ok, thanks
[14:49] <stgraber> I managed to have compiz running as a localapp, works quite well but it's clearly not something I'm spending a lot of time on :)
[14:49] <berriop> why compiz is not enable on the clients???
[14:49] <stgraber> ogra: btw, http://www.stgraber.org/download/italc-ltsp.png :)
[14:50] <ogra> because most thin client hardware doesnt have composite capable cards
[14:50] <stgraber> that's our ltspdemo server running in Seattle
[14:50] <ogra> wow
[14:50] <ogra> thats a lot of clients
[14:50] <stgraber> 43 clients running on a QuadCore 2.5Ghz with 4GB of RAM, running the whole ltsp-cluster infrastructure (in OpenVZ)
[14:50] <ogra> an a lot of irssi windows as well :P
[14:51] <stgraber> iTalc is running locally and they all have localapps support (firefox, blender, audacity, celestia and skype)
[14:51] <ogra> nice
[14:52] <stgraber> yeah, Intrepid really rocks for LTSP
[14:52] <ogra> yup
[14:52] <ogra> it has the quality i had wished for hardy
[14:53] <stgraber> yeah, and we initialy planned to have Intrepid as a devel-only release for ltsp-cluster but things may change, it's really stable and provides some long-awaited features
[14:53] <berriop> heyy that looks nice
[14:53] <berriop> which manager are you using??
[14:54] <ogra> yeah, intrepid is definately the best ltsp we have atm
[14:56] <berriop> nice to see intrepid is really suitable for ltsp
[14:58] <berriop> ok i can see is italc, but what other manager are there for ltsp admin?
[14:59] <berriop> i need a simple one, not teaching oriented, just showing the clients connected and a few more options
[14:59] <stgraber> ltsp cluster has a configuration manager too, but this one is a bit broken and is pending a complete rewrite
[14:59] <ogra> there is think-client-manager which does a very low level job of user management (like a very cut down italc) and is unmaintained
[14:59] <stgraber> well, then for just showing the clients, iTalc should be good
[15:00] <ogra> yeah
[15:00] <ogra> italc is the thing you want
[15:00] <berriop> ok, i ll try italc
[15:00] <berriop> :)
[15:01] <berriop> and another quest. is anyone working in enable wireless pxe booting??
[15:01] <ogra> ask the hardware manufacturers :)
[15:02] <berriop> do u know any wifi card with pxe enabled?
[15:02] <stgraber> wireless pxe is not possible, you can do fake PXE boot using an initrd with a minimal wireless-aware system but that'll still require a harddisk/ssd/flash/whatever other block device
[15:02] <ogra> you can surely set up a minimal system to boot from a local disk and get up wlan etc ... but pxe happens on a hardware level in the NIC
[15:02] <stgraber> berriop: there's none, that's the problem
[15:03] <stgraber> berriop: you'd need a wireless card with a BIOS that lets you configure your wireless, then PXE boot, but that doesn't exist
[15:03] <berriop> we should make one then :)
[15:03] <berriop> nahhh
[15:04] <stgraber> if you do one, I'd buy one for sure :)
[15:04] <ogra> i think there is a way to use ethernet bridges, with that you can use normal ltsp with a PXE nic thats attached to the bridge
[15:05] <stgraber> yeah, I've done that in a school
[15:05] <stgraber> though you'll need a really good wireless network to do PXE booting
[15:06] <ogra> and/or ltsp :)
[15:06] <stgraber> yeah
[15:06] <ogra> 54Mbit are not really performant
[15:06] <stgraber> especially the X11 data
[15:06] <stgraber> if you're then using NX/RDP or similar stuff it's fine though
[15:07] <ogra> but requires a lot of hacking to ltsp as well
[15:07] <berriop> yep i knew about the bridge but i didnt try it yet
[15:39] <Eeyore-Sr> stgraber: i'm about to purchase a quadcore 2.4 with 4g ram
[15:39] <Eeyore-Sr> irssi windows?
[15:39] <berriop> i am trying to set up italc, i am following this manual http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=702437
[15:40] <stgraber> Eeyore-Sr: for how many clients ?
[15:40] <berriop> when I run the ica command says "errorÑ port 5800" already in use"
[15:40] <berriop> in the client
[15:41] <Eeyore-Sr> stgraber: 7
[15:41] <berriop> how can i set up italc with ltsp?
[15:43] <stgraber> Eeyore-Sr: oh, only, that'll be fine then :)
[15:45] <Eeyore-Sr> my problem is running high end graphics, which i didn't realize was going to be a rpoblem and i was going to need thick clients
[15:46] <berriop> the ltsp section in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iTalc is empty
[15:46] <Eeyore-Sr> wow, what pic did you send.  it looks like an overview of every desktop?!
[15:46] <berriop> how can i install and run italc with ltsp, I will update the info into the wiki...
[15:47] <Eeyore-Sr> is that italc?  i'd love that abilty
[15:48] <berriop> stgraber??!!
[15:59] <berriop> I am running italc in the server when I run the ica command in the client says "errorÑ port 5800" already in use"
[15:59] <berriop> how can i change the port that the clients use for ica??
[15:59] <stgraber> sorry I'm doing ISO testing
[16:00] <berriop> its ok
[16:00] <berriop> if you can help me in another time, please let me know it
[16:04] <ogra> if you help iso testing you can speed up stgraber  ;)
[16:05] <berriop> lol
[16:05] <berriop> how can i do iso testing
[16:05] <berriop> ?
[16:05] <berriop> i would be glad to give u a hand
[16:05] <ogra> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:06] <berriop> ok i ll have a look at that
[16:20] <berriop> ok, ubuntu server i386 downloading... :)
[17:42] <Lns> I have a question about removing some individual clipart pics from the Ubuntu openclipart-png/-svg .. I've tried manually removing the files but they still show up in the OOo gallery preview. Any cleaner ways to do this?
[17:42] <Lns> Some of them are deemed inappropriate at the elementary schools I work for
[17:43] <Eeyore-Jr> ogra: i can help do iso testing
[17:44] <ogra> Eeyore-Jr, go ahead then :)
[19:13] <Eeyore-Jr> i've got another questions.  virtual machine with windows on it.
[19:14] <Eeyore-Jr> will it come through the pipe
[19:14] <Eeyore-Jr> or online movies?
[19:18] <sbalneav> Eeyore-Jr: Will what come though the pipe?
[19:18] <Eeyore-Jr> online movies to the fat client
[19:18] <Eeyore-Jr> or thin client
[19:19] <sbalneav> Depends on how you set it up.
[19:19] <sbalneav> What online movies are we talking about?  Youtube?
[19:19] <Eeyore-Jr> no, netflix
[19:19] <Eeyore-Jr> thin client --> server --> virtualbox --> windows --> netflix
[19:20] <Eeyore-Jr> or, thin client --> server --> virutalbox --> autodesk
[19:20] <sbalneav> Usually, any kind of fullscreen multimedia application isn't a good fit for a thin client.
[19:20] <Eeyore-Jr> though i don't suppose the people using autodesk should be the same people using online movie viewing
[19:21] <Eeyore-Jr> that's where the fat client comes in.  is there a way to offload the processing to the server but the video to the client?
[19:21] <Eeyore-Jr> or on a fat client must both the processing and the video be done on the fat client?
[19:21] <sbalneav> Well, that's what a thin client is: processing on the server, video on the thin client.
[19:22] <sbalneav> but that means you have to push the video out to the thin client over the wire.
[19:22] <sbalneav> If you want fast video, you'll have to do the processing down on a fat client.
[19:22] <Eeyore-Jr> hrm, i was thinking that everything was happening on the server and then the video was getting pushed over the wire to the client and the client was only doing the display
[19:22] <sbalneav> that's right.
[19:23] <Eeyore-Jr> with new video cards, they won't processes the video alone?
[19:23] <sbalneav> No, they never do.
[19:23]  * Eeyore-Jr starts looking at my stock
[19:23] <sbalneav> Your video card doesn't know anything about avi or mpg4 files.
[19:24] <Eeyore-Jr> ah.  me is wondering when the day will be that processing happens on the video card :)
[19:24] <sbalneav> the processor has to decode them, and produces full frames, and sends them to a video card.
[19:24] <Eeyore-Jr> ok.  well, that clears up the picture for me
[19:24] <sbalneav> in the case of a thin client, the full frame then has to be sent across the network.
[19:25] <Eeyore-Jr> so will you be getting the "fat client" script done before the release, or will this be an after thingy
[19:25] <Eeyore-Jr> sbalneav: that makes sense
[19:25] <Eeyore-Jr> now i understand what's going on
[19:25] <sbalneav> Typically, anything very graphics intensive, such as fullscreen video, or OpenGL games (like, say, quake) aren't a good fit for thin clients.
[19:26] <sbalneav> I'm not doing the fat client script.  I only work on the thin client side of things.
[19:26] <sbalneav> No interest in fat clients :)
[19:27] <sbalneav> Sorry, that wasn't clear.  *I* have no interest in fat clients.
[19:27] <sbalneav> Certainly other people are.
[19:28] <Eeyore-Jr> ah.  i thought you were doing something late last week with the server knowing the difference between fat and thin clients
[19:29] <sbalneav> No, I think Nubae's working on fat clients.
[19:29]  * Eeyore-Jr will have to check logs at home
[19:29] <Eeyore-Jr> i recall you talking to LaserJock about something ?
[19:30] <sbalneav> About what?
[19:31]  * Eeyore-Jr forgets
[19:31] <Eeyore-Jr> i forget a lot of stuff
[19:31] <Eeyore-Jr> ah, lstp.conf something
[19:32] <sbalneav> Probably, what did you want to know about?
[19:33] <Eeyore-Jr> let me review my irc logs and make sure i was understanding everything
[19:33] <Eeyore-Jr> ah, something about getting certian things like blender, etc. to work better
[19:34] <sbalneav> Well, you'd probably want to make sure that X isn't being encrypted, whick is the default.
[19:34] <sbalneav> So, you'd want to put in LDM_DIRECTX=true into your lts.conf
[19:38] <Eeyore-Jr> on a side note, with the monitoring application you mentioned, what kind of privacy laws surround it?
[19:39] <sbalneav> What monitoring application?  You mean italc?
[19:41] <Eeyore-Jr> yep
[19:46] <sbalneav> Well, the privacy laws where *I* am are probably quite distinct from the privacy laws where *YOU* are.  Since IANAL, I'd suggest checking with your local lawyer/boss/schoolboard/etc.
[20:01] <Eeyore-Jr> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815101001 - i think this is windows only, as it uses a "virutal" driver
[20:03] <Eeyore-Jr> should i be using cat5e or cat6?
[20:05] <sbalneav> Which, for that product?
[20:05] <sbalneav> It doesn't use a network connection at all.  It's a usb -> vga adapter
[20:08] <Eeyore-Jr> no, for the network.  gigabyte network nics and switch
[20:08] <Eeyore-Jr> nm, let me do my research
[20:09] <Eeyore-Jr> cat6 is what i need
[20:10] <sbalneav> lol, you gotta stop handing me non-sequitors
[20:30] <Eeyore-Jr> :)
[20:44] <Eeyore-Jr> the edubuntu rc is a "addon" iso ?
[20:44] <Eeyore-Jr> is there a way to "freeze" the menu of a particular flavor of *untu
[20:45] <sbalneav> Yes, Edubuntu is an addon cd
[20:45] <Eeyore-Jr> sbalneav: not the ltsp server?
[20:45] <Eeyore-Jr> so i need a flavor first and then the addon
[20:45] <sbalneav> Yes
[20:45] <sbalneav> Usually, you'd install Ubuntu, then add on the Edubuntu cd.
[20:46] <sbalneav> Sabayon is the tool you'd use to lock down desktops.
[20:46] <Eeyore-Jr> ah, kewl for the info on sabyon.  that is part of the "add-on" cd
[20:47] <Eeyore-Jr> so somebody said something about ldm vs gdm or kdm
[20:48]  * Eeyore-Jr hrm, i was thinking saboyon was a linux flavor
[21:00] <Eeyore-Jr> k, nm, found it
[21:00] <Eeyore-Jr> i found an artilce that suggests that kde kiosk has better tools?
[21:01] <sbalneav> Dunno, I never use KDE.
[21:01] <sbalneav> looks too much like windows.
[21:03] <Eeyore-Jr> :)
[21:04] <sbalneav> Gave that bad habit up years ago.
[21:04] <sbalneav> Windows 98 was the last version of Windows I ran.
[21:05] <sbalneav> Discovered Linux in '93, ran both 'till '99, been running without windows at all since Late '99
[21:05] <sbalneav> next year will be my 10th anniversary.
[21:51] <Lns> sbalneav: *party* !
[21:51]  * Lns has been running various Linux distros since ~95
[21:54] <Lns> and I'd say I'm MS free (besides quickbooks, which mostly my accountant uses) since ...eh... 2004? It's hard when your business is partly supporting M$ users =p
[21:57] <Eeyore-Jr> same here.  however, i've been pretty much a user since 2003
[21:58] <Eeyore-Jr> all of my people are windows.  this will be the first *nix network
[21:58] <Lns> Eeyore-Jr: congrats!
[21:59] <Lns> and good luck with all of the resistance ;)
[22:02] <Eeyore-Jr> it's a test lab, we will see
[22:02] <Eeyore-Jr> i've been looking for way to intergrate windows apps.  i'm scared i might have stuck myself out on a limb so to speak
[22:07] <Lns> Eeyore-Jr: what windows apps do you need?
[22:10] <Eeyore-Jr> autodesk
[22:10] <Eeyore-Jr> some piano learning software
[22:10] <Eeyore-Jr> artrage
[22:12] <Lns> hmm...autodesk would be difficult to run in a linux env, let alone TC env
[22:12] <Lns> pretty damn intensive and tied up w/MS stuff...i don't think cxoffice even supports that
[22:17] <Eeyore-Jr> virtualbox
[22:17] <Eeyore-Jr> virtualbox & windows xp pro
[22:22] <Lns> there ya go
[22:23]  * Lns almost always prefers Virtualization over wine/friends
[22:35] <Eeyore-Sr> u can run vbox via ltsp ?
[22:35] <Eeyore-Sr> er over?
[22:46] <Lns> I tried vbox before, ran into some networking issues...I like vmware *ducks* it's free and works very well.


[20:20] <davmor2> hey lool todays image is fried :(
[20:25] <davmor2> autologin failure
[20:26] <davmor2> dropped to shell login: ubuntu password:   login failed
[20:27] <davmor2> is there now a password for ubuntu live session?
[20:30] <GrueMaster> davmor2: what are you seeing?  Which image?
[20:32] <davmor2> unr karmic 20090819.  image gets to desktop and seems to crash out.  At which point it tries to auto log back in but fails.  cycling back round to auto login where it fails again etc
[20:33] <davmor2> GrueMaster: ^
[20:33] <GrueMaster> I'm running the live image now, and not seeing this.  I'll try installing.
[20:34] <davmor2> GrueMaster: I'm going to run md5sum on the pen drive and check it's not screwed
[20:34] <GrueMaster> How are you imaging the pen drive?
[20:35] <davmor2> GrueMaster: usb startup disk creator on jaunty
[20:35] <GrueMaster> ok.
[20:37] <GrueMaster> heh.  partimage detected moblin on the HD, didn't give an option to dual boot.  Just nuke & pave.
[20:39] <davmor2> well the local iso checks out
[20:54] <davmor2> right freshly formatted my pendrive try again
[20:59] <davmor2> Yay worked this time must of been the constantly over written pendrive phew
[21:32] <davmor2> GrueMaster: did you log the fact that add/remove is missing?
[21:35] <GrueMaster> add/remove?  Missing from which?
[21:36] <davmor2> unr
[21:36] <davmor2> karmic
[21:36] <GrueMaster> I believe it is already documented.   Give me a sec to look into it.
[21:37] <davmor2> at least the install is in favourites again now :)
[21:37] <GrueMaster> (I'm kind of multitasking at the moment).
[21:37] <davmor2> GrueMaster: that's bad for your health you need to stop that right now :D
[21:38] <GrueMaster> Oh, if only you knew what else I'm working on.  You have no idea how bad for my health this is.
[21:39] <dannyboy1121x> Hello .. Just a quick Q about Ubuntu Mobile .. Is Ubuntu-Mobile likely to be a viable alternative to Symbian or are the target machines limited?
[21:40] <davmor2> dannyboy1121x: it's aimed mostly at netbook-y type machines currently
[21:40] <GrueMaster> Ubuntu Netbook Remix is dedicated to x86 hardware at the moment.
[21:40] <dannyboy1121x> ahhh .. so not mobile phones. Ok .. thanks for info.
[21:43] <GrueMaster> Odd how many times I get asked if Ubuntu Mobile supports cell phones.
[21:53] <lool> GrueMaster: Add a FAQ entry https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/FAQ !
[21:57] <GrueMaster> lool: done.


[00:00] <tomreyn> congrats on the ovh dedicated. i see the website went there, too.
[00:13] <kgiii> Oh! Getting a dedi box for just Lubuntu stuff!
[00:15] <tomreyn> maybe a good time to update https://status.lubuntu.me/ :)
 i think i am gonna be retiring that
 tomreyn: kgiii: ye rather than a donated DO by another company PLUS my expensife infra that is at a premium, just got the OVH Dedi
 status.lubuntu.me needs updated yes
[00:19] <tomreyn> ramnode being the expensive infra?
[00:20] <kgiii> Yeah, @teward. I read back through the commentary and it looks like this will be a good thing. OVH is a solid provider.
[00:22] <teward> tomreyn: no my compute cluster at home being expensive cause it takes a huuuuuuge chunk of my cluster.
[00:23] <teward> kgiii: yes, they are, at least for dedis, less so for VPSes and given the resources we use it makes sense to get a dedi we can heavily consume resources without affecting shared
[00:23] <teward> the only evil is the DNS
[00:23] <teward> And the main site is on marcoceppi's VM infrastructure that i think is at OVH too
[00:24] <teward> but getting our stuff off a small DO node and 40% of my cluster at home helps, and the fact is half the costs will be paid from my pocket too
[00:24] <tomreyn> teward: oh, i see. well running at home is not always ideal i guess. the ramnode VMs are what i noticed smtp1 + smtp2 point to.
[00:25] <teward> tomreyn: correct, those are small SMTP systems I set up on RamNode as small slices of my systems thete but are dirt cheap so i take those out of pocket
[00:25] <tomreyn> looks like you spend a lot. ;)
[00:27] <tomreyn> about dns, could you not set some different free / cheap ones? like cloudns + afraid.to etc?
[00:28] <kgiii> Years ago, I had a VPS from them and ended up finding something off low end talk that worked. Now I use WSWD. I've been with them for a while.
[00:32] <kgiii> Ah, I was able to find it. Racknerd was the company I found off low end talk. They were pretty solid but didn't quite have the network uptime I was hoping for. If memory serves, it was down around 98.5% uptime. I'm told they've improved since then.
[00:34] <tomreyn> 98.5% is absymal indeed. but lowendtalk is also not the best way to go about hosting if you can actually afford something that can withstand a wind blow.
[00:36] <tomreyn> (but it's always fine if it suits your needs and is affordable, and you have off-site backups, and enough time to restore them when needed, i guess.)
[00:56] <kgiii> I've been (mostly) with WSWD since then. They're excellent. They're not cheap, but it's worth it (to me). Lemme see... 99.957 is the full uptime. That's acceptable to me. It's not like I'm doing anyuthing that's mission critical.
 tomreyn: well, I spend a lot for my infra here, the SMTP nodes are 512MB VPSes that cost like $2.50 a month each xD
 tomreyn: as for DNS, talk to Canonical
 they run the lubuntu.me domain DNS since *they* own the domain for legitimacy reasons
 i'd LOVE to do a Cloudflare DNS but the way the DNS is populated by Canonical is... not fun.
 RamNode has a high uptime so does OVH, and by high i mean almost no downtime.
 OVH's doing planned maintenance though, which is a factor now.
 but their maintenance is the "Testing backup generators, no impact expected" stuff you expect at datacenters
 but yeah, I prefer dedicated CPUs or bare metal if I can get it for a good price point, VPSes yo ucan seriously cripple a company with overuse.
 I was going through phab. Found only old tasks. You guys have anything that needs work/help ?
[11:39] <Ciemas> hello
[11:40] <Ciemas> any life person here or only boots?
 The old tasks are still valid for the most part and need someone to work on them. 20.04 point release is happening and we need to get 22.04 out the door too. Freezes are coming up soon. (re @The_LoudSpeaker: I was going through phab. Found only old tasks. You guys have anything that needs work/help ?)
 Is lxqt going to work with Qt6 in time for 22.10?
 Just curious.....
 I see. (re @kc2bez: The old tasks are still valid for the most part and need someone to work on them. 20.04 point release is happening and we need to get 22.04 out the door too. Freezes are coming up soon.)
 Is the redshift gtk-qt port still relevant? I'd like to take up that.
 I'm not sure. They are (slowly) working on it but it seems a little off from my viewpoint. (re @RikMills: Is lxqt going to work with Qt6 in time for 22.10?)
 It is still relevant. Needs to be in Debian probably first though. (re @The_LoudSpeaker: Is the redshift gtk-qt port still relevant? I'd like to take up that.)
 Ok. I'm just thinking ahead of who might want to be involved in the Qt6 maintenance side in Ubuntu
 Aye. I will first try to create a working version. Then ping people at Debian to get it in. (re @kc2bez: It is still relevant. Needs to be in Debian probably first though.)
 Count me in. (re @RikMills: Ok. I'm just thinking ahead of who might want to be involved in the Qt6 maintenance side in Ubuntu)
 You can be in charge of QtWebengine
 /me runs away very fast (re @The_LoudSpeaker: Count me in.)
 Pls no. ._.
 22.10 will likely have the LXQt version that gets released in April/May. LXQt has said they will release every 6 months. They won't be fully on qt6 by then. 23.04 has possibilities though.
 I don't like this trend which is taking place. Browsers trying to replace OS.
 Hans was with it, but now he doesn't have time, you can do it without problem. (re @The_LoudSpeaker: Is the redshift gtk-qt port still relevant? I'd like to take up that.)
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/redshift-qt/
 Nice. I will take a look. Thanks.
 https://github.com/Chemrat/redshift-qt (re @The_LoudSpeaker: Nice. I will take a look. Thanks.)
[21:26] <tomreyn> teward001oh, i didn't know Canonical owns the domain names.
[21:27] <tomreyn> i prefer dedicated, too, much less affected by noisy neighbours (other than network, i guess)
[21:38] <tomreyn> I can understand domain name ownership. Personally I don't see why Canonical would have to manage auth dns, but there can be good reasons, too. maybe then a subdelegation would be an option, though, such as for www.
[21:39] <tomreyn> (not that i like www.somedomain.tld in 2022)
 well we get gig unmetered on the dedicated box so that helps a bit
 and ddos protection
 they way they handle DNS on the IS / Admin side.  its odd i know but out of my control (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tomreyn> I can understand domain name ownership. Personally I don't see why Canonical would have to manage auth dns, but there can be good reasons, too. maybe then a subdelegation would be an option, though, such as for www.)


[03:48] <lokem> hi folks, i'm using 13.04 with dell latitude e6430.  everything works fine but somehow the touchpad doesn't respond sometimes.  anyway i can reset the device?
[03:57] <RobertJDohnert_> Have you tried synaptiks
[04:02] <lokem> is that a package in the repo?
[04:04] <valorie> !info synaptiks
[04:04] <valorie> huh
[04:05] <valorie> it is, though
[04:07] <lokem> yeah, it is.  but under kde-config-touchpad.  i have it installed and i just ran it.  says there's no touchpad was found in system
[04:08] <valorie> yikes
[04:10] <RobertJDohnert_> Thats what i said, YIKES
[04:11] <lokem> the touchpad works after a reboot, but it just "dies" after a while
[04:11] <lokem> can't pinpoint when and how it hangs {G}
[04:17] <lokem> psmouse serio1: DualPoint TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1
[04:17] <lokem> psmouse serio1: issuing reconnect request
[04:17] <lokem> mmmm
[04:17] <lokem> that looks suspicious :D
[04:17] <FloodBotK1> lokem: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:29] <RobertJDohnert> http://resalxh.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/ubuntu-12-04-lts-x64-the-next-step-getting-touchpad-working/
[04:30] <RobertJDohnert> lokem that should help you get your trackpad working
[04:30] <lokem> cool.  let me have a look
[04:36] <Basstard`> 12.04. QtCurve defaults to the oxygen icons for GTK+ programs, like Firefox and Midori. How do I change that to K/Faenza? If I rename /usr/share/icons/oxygen to something else then it uses KFaenza, but I would prefer not to do that.
[06:16] <Okitain> Hi guys, I seem to have a problem with my hybrid AMD card: after installation, neither glxinfo nor amdcccle works.
[06:16] <Okitain> Help, maybe?
[06:17] <Okitain> I have Ubuntu 13.04, on which the default Intel card worked without much of a hitch.
[06:26] <Basstard`> Okitain: You could ask AMD.
[06:31] <Okitain> Basstard`: that's a bit of a hassle, isn't it?
[06:37] <Basstard`> Okitain: Well, they're giving you this hassle in the first place.
[06:41] <Okitain> Basstard`: also, it's only Ubuntu that doesn't configure the drivers right.
[06:44] <Basstard`> Okitain: Intel GPUs work without hitches because they use free drivers. AMD are not friendly with their GPUs.
[08:02] <Nilli> I'm using a Kubuntu 12.04 live usb stick, and I'd like to cancel some printer jobs in cups (http://localhost:631) but cups asks me for authentication and I have no clue what username and password to give it since it's just a live stick. anyone knows?
[08:03] <RamchandraApte> Nilli: try using your username as your password (not sure about livecd username)
[08:04] <RamchandraApte> There's an applet called Manage Print Jobs.
[08:04] <RamchandraApte> (use alt+f2 and type manage print jobs to open the applet)
[08:04] <RamchandraApte> Nakkel: ^
[08:04] <RamchandraApte> *oops, sorry, it should be Nilli: ^
[08:06] <Nilli> nothing comes up in F2 when I type "manage print jobs" so it seems I don't have that applet
[08:06] <Nilli> my home folder is called "kubuntu" so I tried username kubuntu with no password, didn't work. username kubuntu with password kubuntu, didn't work.
[08:07] <RamchandraApte> try alt+f2 and search for printer, there's a configuration module, maybe it'll allow cancelling of jobs
[08:07] <RamchandraApte> I'm pretty sure there's a way to cancel printing jobs.
[08:08] <Nilli> I got to Printer Configuration, but.. oh, ok. found a setting "allow users to cancel any jobs (not just their own)" :)
[08:08] <Nilli> jobs cancelled, thanks :)
[08:09] <RamchandraApte> all I did was alt+f2 and typed print and gave the search results :)
[08:09] <Graf_Westerholt> RamchandraApte :D
[08:09] <Nilli> eh, it's easy to stare yourself blind when you've fixed too many issues at once.. you helped me focus on the right area.
[08:47] <kunguz> I have this SSH connection to my linux machine. I observed that the connection to the server dies after few minutes. I have the ssh configured with the default settings *openssh-server
[08:47] <kunguz> Any clues what might be the reason behind it?
[10:14] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[18:07] <MadEchidna> Hello all
[18:08] <MadEchidna> so I installed Linux 3.11 RC5 on my system, and also uninstalled the Catalyst drivers for my radeon card so I could see how well the open source drivers are working
[18:08] <MadEchidna> they are working quite well, actually, but there's a feature in Virtualbox that I need for work that doesn't work on 3.11 yet
[18:09] <MadEchidna> when I boot to the stock kernel, my video driver doesn't work anymore, I can only use one monitor and it's super low res
[18:09] <MadEchidna> anyone have any suggestions how I can make the stock kernel use gallium correctly?
[18:10] <MadEchidna> I tried forcing dkms to recompile stuff but it only recompiled the virtualbox stuff not the radeon stuff
[18:23] <kubuntu> hi all
[18:24] <rd1381> hi
[18:25] <rd1381> my kubuntu 13.4 shutdowns after closing the laptop lid for a while
[18:34] <Riddell> 4.11 is out! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.11
[18:36] <rd1381> my kubuntu 13.4 shutdowns after closing the laptop lid for a while
[18:47] <rd1381> somebody?
[18:48] <chachan> o/
[18:48] <chachan> rd1381, you can change that behavior
[18:48] <rd1381> how?
[18:49] <rd1381> I have nt had seen this behavior before
[18:49] <chachan> rd1381, System Settings > Power Management
[18:49] <rd1381> there is not there?
[18:50] <rd1381> which option?
[18:50] <chachan> Energy Saving, it says "When laptop lid closed"
[18:52] <rd1381> I have selected to lock it
[18:52] <rd1381> but after a while it shtdowns
[18:52] <rd1381> its not duration based
[18:53] <rd1381> cause last not it happened after 5 hours ,today after 20 min
[18:53] <chachan> rd1381, do you have "Suspend Session" activated?. That could be the reason
[18:53] <rd1381> no
[18:55] <chachan> hm, did you check all tabs?, because there're different behaviors if you have AC power connected or not
[19:26] <rd1381>  chachan:yes
[19:47] <rd1381> y kubuntu 13.4 shutdowns after closing the laptop lid for a while
[20:52] <eniac_petrov_> Hello guys
[20:52] <eniac_petrov_> do you know the name of the new kde wallet / gnome keyring protocol?
[20:52] <eniac_petrov_> I cannot find info in Google
[20:53] <eniac_petrov_> they must use commont database now
[21:05] <roasted> Hello friends. With the introduction of the 4.11 PPA to 13.04, is there capability to stream videos over Samba without any wizardry?
[21:15] <eniac_petrov_> @roasted Samba is not part of the KDE. I have standart samba server on an old PC as a home server with Ubuntu 12.04 and there's no problem. Even via WIFI
[21:16] <roasted> eniac_petrov_: well, whatever issue I ran into with Samba was exclusive to KDE. That issue doesn't exist on any other DE.
[21:16] <roasted> I'm hoping once my VM is done upgrading that I'll be graced with a 3 year old bug fix. We'll see what happens.
[21:17] <eniac_petrov_> maybe you're trying to play via KIO mount? It's buggy, yeah
[21:18] <roasted> I suppose. I open Dolphin, CTRL + L, smb://ip.to.my.server, and click.
[21:18] <roasted> then, fail. :(
[21:21] <eniac_petrov_> yeah, it must be a KIO problem
[21:22] <roasted> yeah :(
[21:22] <roasted> either way it's qute a headache.
[21:23] <roasted> I'm not sure of an easy way around it.
[21:23] <roasted> It's a pretty big issue for me as I have a massive media server. on other DEs I just click and, bam, I stream the video... so that kind of feature is pretty much required for me.
[21:28] <cornfeedhobo> does anyone know how i can kill a running x11 session? I need to generate a xorg.conf but to do that i need x to not be running... i thought it would be kdm, but that does does not appear to even be here
[21:32] <bprompt> hmm, why do you need an xorg.conf?
[21:34] <cornfeedhobo> 2 reasons. intel graphics + toshiba acpi = no backlight control after suspend.  & i type Dvorak, and use a Yubikey... with xorg.conf you can map the yubikey to always be qwerty so i dont have to switch stpidly
[21:34] <yofel> cornfeedhobo: switch to a tty and stop lightdm (or kdm if release is <= 12.04)
[21:34] <cornfeedhobo> lightdm!
[21:35] <cornfeedhobo> thx i could not remember for my life
[21:35]  * cornfeedhobo just did a clean re-install
[21:36] <yofel> tip: /etc/X11/default-display-manager is a good place to look what's managing X
[21:36] <cornfeedhobo> hmm good to know thanks
[22:18] <AlexZion> hi everyone, today I was trying to run a live Kubuntu 13.04 on a brand new Asus laptop which of course usa the UEFI system, I didn't be able to get the live runs at all, arriving just at a black screen with a horrible Kernel Panic message ...
[22:19] <AlexZion> so now I was  looking for a solution and I guess this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI can be used even for kubuntu ..., someone can comfirm that ?
[22:19] <daniel1> Hi, I want to assign media player shortcut to my right win key, however the right win key is not catched by the shortcuts and gestures configuration
[22:21] <daniel1> I know that there where something I had to set up in some file, but I forgot in which one. But ther is definitly the option to do what I want.
[22:27] <daniel1> hmm xev tells me that my right win key is a menu key. How do i set it to meta_r ?
[22:32] <bprompt> daniel1:  maybe you have the wrong keyboard loaded
[22:32] <bprompt> daniel1:     check in System Settings > input devices > keyboard settings
[22:34] <bprompt> check for another "keyboard model" that may work for your layout
[22:39] <daniel1> bprompt: via xev I have found out that my laptop keyboard and the external keyboard do send different things: altgr -> isoShift3, menu ->menu, ctrl->disabled becaus of vm; my keyboard that is attached has however 4 keys after the space bar:      │ azyr
[22:39] <daniel1>                  | alrgr-> iso3shift; menu->super_r, rwin->menu and the disabled rctrl
[22:42] <bprompt> hmm, can't say :|
[22:42] <daniel1> bprompt: hm failed to paste, ignore the | azyr |, why isn't menu on both keyboars menu
[22:44] <bprompt> daniel1:    keyboard layout loaded for the device, I'd think the module in system settings wouild have something for the two keyboards
[22:46] <daniel1> bprompt: man I never gonna buy a laptop with a missing key again, damn lenovo
[22:48] <daniel1> bprompt: ok different strategy: how do I map menu to meta_r ?
[22:49] <bprompt> missing key? :P    I have an acer and it doesn't have a right winkey either :P
[23:05] <daniel1> bprompt: I found the problem someone played with my keyboard and swapped the keycaps .. man thats geniously evil
[23:05] <bprompt> hehe


[11:59] <Saviq> oops /me broke jenkins overnight, fixed now
[12:02] <ltinkl> Saviq, is it why this one failed: https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/noResizeUnderPanel/+merge/288079 ?
[12:02] <Saviq> ltinkl, yeah, sorry, restarted now
[12:06] <Saviq> that happens when you try to work until 7am ;P
[12:19] <cimi> pstolowski, hey man, can we setup a silo with https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/card-social/+merge/288083 and your branches?
[12:22] <dandrader> mzanetti I'm assuming we won't force a window to close itself when you click on its close button in desktop/windowed mode, right? (unlike staging mode, where we destroy the surface if the application doesn't comply witthin some time limit)
[12:22] <dandrader> mzanetti, so in windowed mode you can click as much as you want in the close button and all it will do is send close request do the client, not forcing anything, like in Unity 7.
[12:23] <mzanetti> dandrader, so, unity7 eventually pops up a window saying "application XXX doesn't respond any more. Do you want to close it? Yes/No". I would think we want that too
[12:23] <mzanetti> not saying it is a requirement for your first branch...
[12:23] <mzanetti> but eventually we want that for sure
[12:24] <dandrader> mzanetti, I thinkg that's a separate thing, that dialog is send when the window stops responding to x11 pings or stops redrawing
[12:24] <dandrader> s/send/sent
[12:25] <mzanetti> also when it refuses to close
[12:27] <dandrader> mzanetti, no it does not. just tested
[12:27] <mzanetti> really... strange... I was quite sure about that, did not explicitly test it right now tho
[12:27] <mzanetti> dandrader, so it forces it to shut down eventually?
[12:28] <dandrader> mzanetti, you mean Unity7? No
[12:28] <dandrader> mzanetti, the close button sends a close request, that's all. no strings attached
[12:29] <mzanetti> ok well then... lets do what unity7 does (which is the general design guideline unless being told otherwise)
[12:29] <mzanetti> but I'll put that on my list to have a chat with design about it
[12:29] <mzanetti> to me it seems we should give the user the power over this without forcing him to type kill -9 on cli
[12:32] <dandrader> mzanetti, desktop apps traditionally have a lot of freedom. just try that: open libre office calc. do some modifications. click on close button. "Save Document?" dialog pops up. You click on Cancel. libreoffice calc keeps running
[12:32] <mzanetti> dandrader, right... I think ltinkl has done some groundwork to enable that, you might want to check with him
[12:33] <mzanetti> dandrader, still, I believe if the user wants to close an app, and the app doesn't do eventually, the user should have the power to force it. in any case, if you go the unity7 route for now, we're certainly not making a mistake
[12:33] <mzanetti> I'll discuss with design
[12:34] <dandrader> mzanetti, the dillema between improving things and breaking compatibility
[12:37] <mzanetti> yep. but eventually popping up that dialog and allowing the user to kill the app (with a hint about potentially lost data) doesn't seem like breaking compatibility. more like a new feature on top of the old compatibility
[12:42] <ltinkl> mzanetti, dandrader: closing from GUI shouldn't kill things forcefully imho; there should be a "kill zombie windows" facility that does that instead; I believe Mir has something like that
[12:43] <dandrader> ltinkl, wonder what mir has to do with it. we can just call "mir destroy surface" from qtmir, no special API for that
[12:47] <ltinkl> dandrader, Mir can detect apps not responding
[12:47] <dandrader> ltinkl, not responding != not destroying its surface upon receiving a close request
[12:48] <ltinkl> dandrader, right, that's rather a complement
[12:48] <ltinkl> dandrader, otherwise there's mir::scene::TimeoutApplicationNotRespondingDetector
[12:52] <dandrader> ltinkl, no, they're different things really. not responding is when the client does not ack/reply to messages/events sent from the server,  or eg, when the client doesn't redraw even though it was told it got resized
[12:52] <ltinkl> dandrader, yeah, that's what I said, a complement
[12:55] <ltinkl> Saviq, jenkins still seems broken: https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/lp-unity8-ci/594/
[12:57] <Saviq> ltinkl, yeah I know, not sure what's going on
[12:58] <Saviq> ah!
[12:59] <Saviq> dumb thing
[13:02] <Saviq> ltinkl, fixed for real
[13:13] <ltinkl> Saviq, does it run any tests?
[13:13] <Saviq> ltinkl, it will now
[13:14] <Saviq> ltinkl, https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/lp-unity8-ci/597/
[13:14] <Saviq> has to build first
[13:18] <pstolowski> cimi, sure, doing
[13:23] <pstolowski> cimi, please make it depend on unity-scopes-impl-10 (i just bumped it in shell plugin)
[13:31] <Saviq> pstolowski, what's the deal with silo 76 do you know? it's blocked now?
[13:32] <pstolowski> Saviq, looking at latest comment, davmor2 needs help with online account
[13:58] <davmor2> pstolowski: already had a reply from mardy
[13:58] <davmor2> pstolowski: need kyleN to make the mods I think as he has the source and then should be good I think, everything else checks out though
[13:59] <pstolowski> davmor2, as, so the problem is with kyleN's scope using online accounts, not with existing scopes?
[13:59] <pstolowski> * ah
[14:00] <davmor2> pstolowski: yeap it never set up the account correctly so you never are able to login to the only scope we know that uses the feature
[14:01] <pstolowski> davmor2, i see, ack, thanks!
[14:01] <pstolowski> Saviq, ^
[14:02] <davmor2> So fingers cross should be able to land it as soon as I can confirm that the new feature doesn't blow up the universe :)
[14:04] <Saviq> davmor2, any ETA? must say we might skip that if we need to wait long
[14:05] <davmor2> Saviq: I'm kinda hoping today only I have seen Kyle online yet
[14:05] <davmor2> haven't even
[14:05] <Saviq> oh well, there's always Monday, UITK wouldn't get tested before then anyway
[14:06] <Saviq> davmor2, just note https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/+activereviews ;P
[14:07] <davmor2> Saviq: nice, FAILED!  we'll just take the guess work out straight away for you ;)
[14:10] <pstolowski> Saviq, filters silo also in the pipeline..
[14:11] <Saviq> don't I know it
[14:13] <cimi> pstolowski, bumped dep
[14:13] <pstolowski> cimi, k, thanks
[14:13] <cimi> yw
[14:15] <cimi> tsdgeos, you can start having a look here https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/card-social/+merge/288083
[14:16] <tsdgeos> oka
[14:16] <cimi> tsdgeos, I might also use one of your cardcreator branches as prereq
[14:16] <cimi> tsdgeos, they should go in first, no?
[14:16] <tsdgeos> i don't know :D
[14:16] <tsdgeos> cimi: i guess get one that was already approved
[14:16] <cimi> yeah :D
[14:16] <tsdgeos> and you can put yourself on top of that one
[14:16] <cimi> but there were more than one so
[14:16] <tsdgeos> they're all chained
[14:17]  * cimi needs to be less lazy and look at all the chain
[14:17] <tsdgeos> i just proposed one and working on another simple one :D
[14:17] <tsdgeos> sorry
[14:17] <tsdgeos> we just need some faster landings :D
[14:19] <cimi> tsdgeos, lp:~aacid/unity8/cardCreatorFixedHeaderSizeOptimization
[14:19] <cimi> tsdgeos, that one it seems
[14:20] <cimi> or yesterday one
[14:20] <cimi> :eek:
[14:20] <tsdgeos> that one is approved
[14:20] <cimi> tsdgeos, but keep having small branches
[14:20] <cimi> tsdgeos, I like that very much :)
[14:20] <tsdgeos> well makes it easire to review i guess
[14:20] <cimi> A LOT
[14:21] <tsdgeos> then on top of that one there's https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/appStoreCardWeirdSizing/+merge/287920 on top that there's https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/cardArtShapeStyleOnCompileTime/+merge/288103
[14:21] <tsdgeos> but i guess you can put yours on top of cardCreatorFixedHeaderSizeOptimization and i'll rebase the other two if needed
[14:21] <tsdgeos> yours is actually more important since it's a feature :d
[14:25] <cimi> tsdgeos, yeah I can't wait to dislike some facebook posts :)
[14:25] <tsdgeos> :)
[14:26] <cimi> tsdgeos, did you merge trunk in yours?
[14:26] <tsdgeos> cimi: which one is "yours"?
[14:26] <tsdgeos> lp:~aacid/unity8/cardCreatorFixedHeaderSizeOptimization ?
[14:26] <cimi> indeed
[14:26] <cimi> want to avoid criss cross
[14:26] <cimi> mines has trunk
[14:26] <cimi> already...
[14:27] <tsdgeos> let me check
[14:27] <cimi> tx
[14:28] <tsdgeos> cimi: seems not let me remerge the chain
[14:32] <tsdgeos> cimi: done
[15:12] <Mirv> tsdgeos: piiing. top approve please https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/new_sdk_notif_test_fixes/+merge/287612
[15:12] <Mirv> Saviq: ^
[15:13] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i can't top aprove myself ;)
[15:13] <Saviq> Mirv, done, what's happening with the silo then? 76 got blocked, hopefully will still land today
[15:14] <Saviq> like no rebuilds needed, just testing was difficult
[15:15] <Mirv> Saviq: nothing I guess unless QA thinks it's eventually easier to land it than 76 if it continues to take time, but finally enough unity8 autopkgtest retries so that they succeeded for that. I'll rebuild unity8 as needed.
[15:16] <Saviq> Mirv, ack
[15:17] <Saviq> Mirv, "enough retries", were there failures still?
[15:17] <Mirv> Saviq: yeah, at least three amd64 failures, now all succeeded
[15:17] <Mirv> maybe infra issues, dunno
[15:17] <Saviq> Mirv, not expected
[15:19] <Mirv> Saviq<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was one
[15:19] <Mirv> FAIL!  : qmltestrunner::PreviewRatingDisplayTest::test_creation_speed() 'verify()' returned FALSE. ()
[15:19] <Saviq> interesting
[15:19] <Saviq> we'll have to keep an eye out
[15:20] <Saviq> test_comboEnsureVisible is a known flaky one
[15:46] <tsdgeos> cimi: can you please set commit message and description https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/card-social/+merge/288083 ?
[15:47] <cimi> tsdgeos, it is still WIP but ok
[15:50] <tsdgeos> cimi: ah i tought it was ready to go
[15:57] <cimi> tsdgeos, almost
[15:57] <cimi> tsdgeos, like, I want to test it in silo
[15:57] <cimi> personally
[15:57] <tsdgeos> k
[16:42] <davmor2> Saviq, pstolowski: silo just passed took a bit but got there \o/
[16:42] <Saviq> davmor2, awesome, thank yo
[16:42] <Saviq> u
[16:42] <Saviq> Mirv, ↑
[16:42] <pstolowski> davmor2, awesome! thanks for persisting on testing that scope!
[16:43] <Saviq> Mirv, I will make sure it gets through migration and 50 gets rebuilt over the weekend
[16:43] <pstolowski> gives us more confidence
[16:49] <Mirv> Saviq: thanks, publishing
[16:54] <pstolowski> cimi, would be great to have a test scope for that functionality
[16:54] <cimi> pstolowski, what social
[16:54] <cimi> ?
[16:54] <pstolowski> cimi, tes
[16:54] <pstolowski> yes
[16:55] <cimi> pstolowski, tes is a mix of tak and yes? :)
[16:55] <pstolowski> cimi, i'll see if i can quickly hack something based on an existing test scopes
[16:55] <pstolowski> :)
[16:56] <pstolowski> stuff for Monday
[16:57] <cimi> pstolowski, enjoy weekend :)
[16:57] <pstolowski> thanks, you too!
[20:23] <Mirv> Saviq: 076 migrated but now unity8 merge conflict in 050, that would need resolving
[20:42] <Saviq> Mirv, ack
[20:43] <Saviq> ugh, fookin' bzr
[20:52] <Saviq> Mirv, building, and btw, what do you mean "migrated", like without prodding, retrying or anything!? ;)
[20:55] <Saviq> oh you guys
[20:55] <Saviq> don't you know you're working with a handicapped dvcs