[00:01] <skyjumper> indicator applet is showing dead icons for sound
[00:01] <skyjumper> doesn't respond to mouse wheel
[00:01] <MindVirus> skyjumper: Click.
[00:01] <skyjumper> shouldn't have to click, should be able to mouse-wheel over it
[00:01] <zniavre> skyjumper,  +1
[00:01] <skyjumper> hate to be a complainer, but gnome seems to keep regressing in little ways
[00:01] <MindVirus> skyjumper: I am not a developer. Add a bug.
[00:02] <MindVirus> The indicator-applet seems unfunctional.
[00:02] <zniavre> skyjumper,  alt+f2 then  gnome-volume-control-applet  or in startup programs   (was wrong nickname sorry)
[00:02] <skyjumper> zniavre: i found it, thanks
[00:04] <rww> zniavre: do you have one of them for the power icon too?
[00:05] <zniavre> rww,  unfortunatly no
[00:05] <zniavre> but it must exist in gnome-panel applet list no?
[00:06] <zniavre> isn't switch-off ?
[00:06] <skyjumper> zniavre: maybe not, my system has gnome-volume-control-applet installed but not lised
[00:06] <skyjumper> listed
[00:07] <zniavre> yes i know that
[00:08] <wgrant> skyjumper: The scrolliness is scheduled to be readded in the next indicator-sound release.
[00:09] <skyjumper> wgrant: excellent
[00:09] <wgrant> But it requires infrastructure enhancements. The dbus menu spec doesn't support that at the moment.
[00:10] <skyjumper> anyone seeing incorrect font smoothing in firefox 3.6?
[00:11] <MindVirus> Does anyone know how to make maximus stop autostarting when killed?
[00:17] <sjuxax> what is maximux
[00:17] <sjuxax> what is maximus*
 Nitsuga: do you happen to know where in gconf that is? <-- gconf is like regedit. You need some luck to find what you are looking for.
[00:20] <wgrant> Nitsuga: It's not anywhere near as bad as the Windows Registry...
[00:20] <wgrant> There is actually some sense to it.
[00:22] <Nitsuga> wgrant, the windows regedit also has some sense
[00:22] <Nitsuga> and gconf is also messy.
[00:22] <Nitsuga> some things that should be in desktop are in apps, and vice-versa
[00:47] <MindVirus> I can't kill maximus.
[00:48] <MindVirus> Please help me.
[00:49] <wirechief> did you try killall -9 maximus ?
[00:49] <MindVirus> wirechief: Yes.
[00:50] <MindVirus> wirechief: It is automatically restarted.
[00:50] <wirechief> maybe try the pidof
[00:50] <wirechief> use htop and find the pid of it , also use f keys to terminate it.
[00:50] <MindVirus> wirechief: It restarts.
[00:51] <wirechief> something else is respawning it.
[00:51] <MindVirus> Yes.
[00:51] <high-rez> well uhm whats its parent id?
[00:51] <MindVirus> gnome-session.
[00:51] <wirechief> what about reboot is that a option ?
[00:51] <MindVirus> wirechief: Not yet.
[00:52] <wirechief> is that a program daemon or what
[00:52] <high-rez> ps -ef and you'll get the ppid...
[00:52] <MindVirus> wirechief: gnome-session?
[00:52] <MindVirus> wirechief: It's the GNOME session daemon.
[00:54] <wirechief> maybe its a service , service maxiums stop
[00:54] <wirechief> maximus
[00:55] <MindVirus> wirechief: Unrecognized.
[00:55] <wirechief> hehe maybe you need to be in a terminal ctrl alt f1 or f2 and do it
[00:56] <MindVirus> wirechief: What?
[00:56] <MindVirus> wirechief: That said the same thing as expected.
[00:56] <wirechief> ctrl alt f2 takes you into a terminal ctrl alt f7 should return
[00:56] <MindVirus> wirechief: I know that.
[00:56] <wirechief> k
[00:57] <MindVirus> wirechief: What I don't know is why that would make a difference.
[00:57] <wirechief> some things require being there.
[00:57] <MindVirus> wirechief: Like what?
[00:57] <wirechief> well, when i install my nvidia drivers i run a script in it.
[00:58] <wirechief> and if i dont it yells at me.
[00:58] <MindVirus> wirechief: That's weird as shit and I've never heard of anything like that.
[00:58] <MindVirus> wirechief: I'm sure something is wrong, if that is the case.
[00:58] <wirechief> its only a suggestion and at this point ive run out of em except for rebooting. well you proably have been in ubuntu too long then
[00:59] <MindVirus> You're saying my uptime is too high?
[00:59] <wirechief> fix it yourself. have fun.
[00:59] <MindVirus> wirechief: ..?
[00:59] <MindVirus> I don't understand what just happened.
[01:02] <jcole> is the new ubuntu "look" in the latest lucid?
[01:02] <MindVirus> jcole: Brown and purple? No.
[01:02] <MindVirus> That's the light theme.
[01:03] <jcole> MindVirus: when can we try it
[01:03] <m0ar> I can't see why I'm not able to activate the propretairy driver in Hardware Drivers?  It just says "This driver is activated but nor currently in use" Any tips?
[01:03] <MindVirus> jcole: Probably when the art drop happens.
[01:03] <MindVirus> Which won't be for a while.
[01:03] <jcole> lol
[01:03] <Steil> fn
[01:04] <jcole> MindVirus: ya, they always do that in the last beta
[01:04] <platius> jcole,  http://www.ubuntugeek.com/new-wallpaper-for-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-download-link-included.html#more-4274  if you want to try it
[01:04] <MindVirus> jcole: It deters people from using Ubuntu+1 for just looks.
[01:04] <rww> umm. The new wallpaper and theme are in Lucid right now...
[01:04] <MindVirus> rww: I don't see them.
[01:04] <MindVirus> What are they called?
[01:04] <m0ar> MindVirus: They are after an update earlier today
[01:04] <Steil> i like the new dark theme that came today
[01:04] <Steil> i dont know what its called
[01:04] <Steil> but i like it
[01:05] <rww> System -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Radiance and I think Ambiance
[01:05] <Steil> just gotta wait til the title bar icons are fixed again :)
[01:05] <rww> I'm using archive.ubuntu.com, dunno if it got out to the other mirrors yer.
[01:05] <m0ar> Hey, I cant see the themes either :s
[01:05] <rww> yet **
[01:05] <MindVirus> Can someone please help me kill maximus?
[01:06] <Steil> why dont you like maximus?
[01:07] <MindVirus> Steil: I'm not using UNE right now.
[01:07] <Steil> o
[01:07] <Steil> too bad
[01:07] <Steil> maximus is awesome
[01:07] <Steil> for everything
[01:07] <sebsebseb> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[01:07] <MindVirus> That's great.
[01:07] <MindVirus> I need to kill maximus.
[01:08] <sebsebseb> didn't want to hit enter here, just then
[01:08] <MindVirus> sebsebseb: Regardless; do you think you could help me out?
[01:08] <sebsebseb> that enter was meant to be in my Lucid vm
[01:09] <melik`> hey guys i'm having trouble loading alpha 3 on a pc nvidia gfx card.
[01:09] <melik`> pc with*
[01:09] <melik`> although it boots fine wth intel gfx
[01:09] <sebsebseb> MindVirus: just had a quick look at your stuff up there, I don't even know what you got a problem with
[01:09] <melik`> anyone having similiar problems?
[01:09] <m0ar> EW!  Awful bugs on the new themes!
[01:10] <MindVirus> sebsebseb: I can't kill maximus. It restarts.
[01:10] <sebsebseb> m0ar: oh such as?
[01:10] <m0ar> sebsebseb: The buttons?
[01:10] <sebsebseb> MindVirus: I don't even know what maxium is
[01:10] <sebsebseb> m0ar: I don't like the two new themes much myself
[01:10] <m0ar> sebsebseb: Close, minimize, maximize etc
[01:10] <MindVirus> No.
[01:10] <MindVirus> maximus keeps windows maximized. Saves screen real estate.
[01:10] <m0ar> sebsebseb: Are they seriously supposet to be that bugged?
[01:10] <wgrant> Note that there have been four releases of the new themes in the past two hours, so some of the bugs are already fixed.
[01:10] <wgrant> m0ar: What's wrong with them?
[01:11] <wgrant> The order should be fixed if you log out and in.
[01:11] <sebsebseb> wgrant: four releases of the new themes?
[01:11] <wgrant> The lack of hovering and bright colours still bug me, though.
[01:11] <wgrant> sebsebseb: Yes.
[01:11] <m0ar> wgrant: Not the order.  Sec, scrot
[01:11] <sebsebseb> wgrant: oh?
[01:11] <melik`> new themes  are shit.
[01:11] <rww> melik`: watch your language, please.
[01:12] <melik`> i hope we get some new icons at least.
[01:12] <wgrant> sebsebseb: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+changelog
[01:12] <melik`> orange and purple are far from complimentary colors
[01:12] <sebsebseb> wgrant: by the way I  installed from an alpha 3 vm,  got the updates, and then the theme updates as well, however I don't get the new log in screen.   Any idea why?  I even tried this lubuntu  plymouth screen that was in the repo, but  I didn't seem to have that working, or it  did, but so quick.   I am thinking maybe vm a daily build in the day, at least then I will probably have the new boot up screen.
[01:12] <m0ar> rww: They are shit.
[01:13] <sebsebseb> wgrant: installed into a alpha 3 vm above, installed from alpha 3 ISO
[01:13] <melik`> shit isn't even a 'bad' word.
[01:13] <sebsebseb> melik`: it is depending on the context it's used in
[01:13] <wgrant> sebsebseb: The new gdm should have been published a couple of hours ago, but might not be on mirrors for another few.
[01:13] <rww> m0ar: That may well be the case, but Ubuntu's IRC guidelines and melik` and your choice of descriptive words are incompatible.
[01:13] <BUGabundo> I got it from main
[01:13] <BUGabundo> let me restart a new guest
[01:13] <sebsebseb> wgrant: New GDM? that's the log in screen,  I meant the boot up screen  for Plymouth
[01:14] <BUGabundo> and see the changes to theme
[01:14] <sebsebseb> wgrant: anyway good there will be a new GDM theme as well?
[01:14] <melik`> sebsebseb: my use of te word 'shit' was appropriate.
[01:14] <m0ar> rww: Irrelevant, found no other way of expressing myself in this case.
[01:14] <m0ar> wgrant: http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/Selection_001.png
[01:14] <m0ar> wgrant: ew.
[01:15] <m0ar> Oh, is that the button order? :s
[01:15] <skydrome> ooo that new theme is sexy
[01:15] <wgrant> m0ar: That's button order.
[01:15] <rww> m0ar: If you can't express yourself in a way that's appropriate for this channel, then don't express yourself.
[01:15] <m0ar> rww: Point taken ;)
[01:15] <wgrant> They've swapped maximize and minimize; try logging out and in again.
[01:16] <m0ar> wgrant: Not worth it, bloated theme as usual. Too bad they never released one nice theme ><
[01:16] <BUGabundo> bak
[01:16] <wgrant> sebsebseb: The Plymouth theme has been in place for around 24 hours.
[01:16] <melik`> anyone having trouble booting 10.04 on nvidia gfx cards?
[01:16] <skydrome> m0ar, bloated?
[01:16] <MindVirus> These themes are straight up hideous.
[01:16] <BUGabundo> I do like the collors and font of ambience
[01:16] <wgrant> MindVirus: Why?
[01:16] <MindVirus> wgrant: Big PlaySkool buttons.
[01:16] <wgrant> Apart from the buttons (both in window decorations and the GTK theme)
[01:16] <wgrant> Heh, exactly.
[01:16] <BUGabundo> but radienceis just tooooooo bright
[01:16] <skydrome> i was under the impressed computers had more than 128k of ram now a days
[01:17] <m0ar> skydrome: Yeah? Big boarders, ugly buttons etc
[01:17] <BUGabundo> if I had to pick one
[01:17] <m0ar> skydrome: Takes up space
[01:17] <sebsebseb> melik`: Ubuntu has never been that good for Gnome themes,  these days I use another distro on this computer, which comes with a rather nice default theme,  as well as some themes similar to it that are also good.
[01:17] <BUGabundo> I would go with dust
[01:17] <wgrant> BUGabundo: My problem with Radiance is that the window decorations are a slightly different colour from the normal window colour.
[01:17] <sebsebseb> wgrant: right well whatever reason/s  my vm didn't get it :(
[01:17] <skydrome> :D im using dust theme with ambience title bar
[01:17] <skydrome> so sexy
[01:17] <BUGabundo> but after looking at the spaceing and fonts , I really like ambience
[01:17] <MindVirus> wgrant: The scrollbars.
[01:17] <m0ar> Of course windowspeople thinks "linux" is straight ugly when ubuntu doesn't have a semi-nice looking standard theme.
[01:17] <melik`> sebsebseb: i use no GUI apps except chromium
[01:18] <melik`> so i dont need a GTK theme :D
[01:18] <BUGabundo> humm
[01:18] <m0ar> melik`: Lucky man!
[01:18] <BUGabundo> haing a guest sesion is making this session TERRIBLBLLYYYYY slow and lagged
[01:18] <BUGabundo> very much like the old GTK bug :(
[01:18] <melik`> i just decided to check out ubuntu 10.04
[01:18] <sebsebseb> m0ar: yep  Windows is better for default eye candy really,  XP and above,   as well as some other desktop Linux distros
[01:18] <melik`> the new software centre seems pretty awesome
[01:19] <BUGabundo> yes it is
[01:19] <m0ar> sebsebseb: Xp looks more awful than gnome. Win7 is soemwhat nice, true
[01:19] <BUGabundo> ok, bed time
[01:19] <BUGabundo> more tesint tomow
[01:19] <skydrome> emerald is crashing alot in lucid
[01:19] <melik`> win7 is horrible.
[01:19] <BUGabundo> damn, this is lagged
[01:19] <melik`> m0ar: all that gloss is horrible.
[01:19] <BUGabundo> skydrome: emerald not supported
[01:19] <m0ar> melik`: Depends.  Straight "bling bling"-wise it's the best of windows releases
[01:19] <sebsebseb> m0ar: Vista's black aero theme is ok, but the graphics the OS comes with for backgrounds and such, that's nice.   anyway a little off topic now by the way
[01:19] <m0ar> Ew
[01:20] <skydrome> BUGabundo, seems it
[01:20] <m0ar> Minimalistic is the way.
[01:20] <melik`> m0ar: my PC is so minimalistic :D
[01:21] <sebsebseb> m0ar: quite a lot of consumer/homeuser and such,  propritary software does come with good graphics
[01:21] <m0ar> melik`: +1 +1 +1 +1
[01:21] <skydrome> minimalistic is like sex with men
[01:21] <m0ar> sebsebseb: Yeah. "Whatever" of the day!
[01:21] <m0ar> sebsebseb: Oh?
[01:21] <sebsebseb> m0ar: What?
[01:21] <m0ar> skydrome: Oh?
[01:21] <m0ar> skydrome: Wrong-tab :D
[01:21] <skydrome> oh face!
[01:22] <m0ar> I mean seriously, the worlds like fourth biggest (Yes, I guessed) OS should at least look.. tempting?
[01:22] <BluesKaj> !OT | skydrome
[01:22] <m0ar> Compare to win7 and OSX from the eyes of a retarded p12 that want's "a good computer"
[01:22] <melik`> i hate GUI apps
[01:22] <melik`> im a perfectionist
[01:22] <m0ar> melik`: Let's go to ubuntu-offtopid
[01:23] <melik`> everytime i use a GUI app, i feel like there is like 539394394 errors in the background
[01:23] <melik`> ok
[01:23] <sebsebseb> m0ar: no I think it goes like this,   when it comes to the Desktop at the moment.  1. Windows 2.  Mac OS X  3.  Ubuntu  4. Other Linux distros,  Mandriva :), Fedora,  and so on  4.  BSD's  5. other OS's
[01:24] <melik`> sebsebseb: depends on how you're looking at it
[01:24] <melik`> for end user average joe i suppose
[01:24] <m0ar> sebsebseb: ubuntu-offtopic.
[01:25] <sebsebseb> melik`: the above is looking at market share, and yes m0ar  a bit off topic
[01:27] <DanaG> hmm, my only gripe now with the new branding is that the superscript logo looks like this:
[01:27] <DanaG> ubuntu®
[01:27] <DanaG> oh, and the buttons (back on the right, yay) are ugly.
[01:28] <sebsebseb> (numbers were wrong that's,  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6)
[01:28] <genii> Gah. Registered Trademark!
[01:28] <DanaG> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/worried-ubuntu-1004-will-have-left-hand.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28Omg!+Ubuntu!%29
[01:28] <DanaG> http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/03/refreshing-the-ubuntu-brand/
[01:29] <sebsebseb> http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/my-thoughts-on-the-ubuntu-branding-refresh/
[01:29] <sebsebseb> which also links to Jono's and the Ubuntu websites page about it
[01:29] <m0ar> sebsebseb: Your list reminds me of Bug#1 :)
[01:30] <sebsebseb> m0ar: my list?  OS list?
[01:30] <sebsebseb> OS market share list?
[01:30] <m0ar> sebsebseb: Yep
[01:31] <sebsebseb> m0ar: right ok
[01:31] <m0ar> sebsebseb: You do know the bug#1 in launchpad?
[01:32] <sebsebseb> DanaG: I don't like those buttons much myself, but that's good that they are on the right where they are meant to be
[01:32] <DanaG> something to compare, just for the heck of it: http://home.comcast.net/~odnt/12012009.jpg
[01:32] <sebsebseb> m0ar: of course it's in the !windows factoid for example even,  plus I think there might be an actsual bug 1 factoid
[01:33] <sebsebseb> hrm some how ubottu knew we were on about bug1?
[01:33] <wgrant> sebsebseb: you said 'bug 1'
[01:33] <rww> !-windows
[01:34] <rww> there isn't an actual factoid, it just redirects to !windows.
[01:34] <sebsebseb> wgrant: that explains it, but I thought always had to do ! for the factoids
[01:34] <wgrant> sebsebseb: It's not a factoid as such. It's another plugin that looks for any bug references.
[01:34] <sebsebseb> !windows
[01:35] <sebsebseb> wgrant: oh right ok ty I guess
[01:36] <DanaG> trademark symbol looks evil. =þ
[01:36] <sebsebseb> rww: something redirects to !windows ?
[01:37] <rww> sebsebseb: see the ubottu output from !-windows, it lists its aliases.
[01:38] <sebsebseb> rww: already read that, anyway I guess whatever, and a bit off topic
[01:38] <rww> sebsebseb: Then I'm not sure what your question was?
[01:38] <sebsebseb> the bug 1 stuff
[01:39] <sebsebseb> rww: you answered that
[01:39] <sebsebseb> just now
[01:39] <sebsebseb> :)
[01:50] <skyjumper> anyone else seeing a 1px border around their desktop in lucid?
[01:50] <wgrant> skyjumper: I noticed that on the sides, yeah.
[01:51] <skyjumper> wgrant: you do anything about it?
[01:51] <Stik> Apple has a patent on that
[01:51] <wgrant> None.
[01:53] <Sa[i]nT> How do I upgrade to lynx with the command line?
[01:54] <rww> Sa[i]nT: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[01:55] <m0ar> My volume-icon in the notification toolbar has this ugly gray background. Is this fixable?
[01:57] <skyjumper> m0ar: did you have that problem in jaunty?
[01:57] <skyjumper> or karmic
[01:58] <m0ar> skyjumper: Nope, not that I can remember. Happens with VLC too.
[01:58] <rww> ooo, that's fun. Anyone seen any aptitude problems that look like this, recently: http://paste.ubuntu.com/388677/ ?
[01:59] <skyjumper> i get gray icon backgrounds on mail-notification, amarok, and pidgin
[02:04] <rww> aptitude thing looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/515525 , perhaps
[02:05] <Sarvatt> darn.. that new gnome-terminal profile that I got forcibly switched to looks exactly the same as my old one with only 512 lines scrollback and I needed that build log
[02:06] <wgrant> Oh. I wondered why it was so short.
[02:06]  * wgrant curses stupid overrides.
[02:07] <wgrant> I thought some of my output was just longer than I'd guessed.
[02:24] <overmacht> hi FunnyLookinHat
[02:34] <Sarvatt> am I missing an option to turn off the volume status in the notification area applet or are we supposed to have 2 volume controls on the panel?
[02:40] <Sarvatt> ah it was gnome-volume-control-applet that i had to kill
[02:42] <funkyHat> Does anyone know if the issue with wacom drivers has been resolved yet?
[02:45] <JFo> funkyHat, what issue?
[02:46] <funkyHat> JFo: the one mentioned on the alpha 2 release page
[02:46] <funkyHat> Ah I've just found this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-wacom/+bug/511844
[02:47] <funkyHat> Looks like progress at least ⢁)
[02:47] <JFo> funkyHat, that isn't the only bug
[02:49] <JFo> funkyHat, what hardware are you using?
[02:49] <funkyHat> JFo: actually none at the moment, but I've been putting off upgrading to Lucid because I'm planning to buy an Intuos4 soon
[02:50] <JFo> I see
[02:52] <un214> Is there a good way to force my system to use VESA drivers
[02:52] <un214> It's using the noveau driver and it has lots of annoyingly bad graphics glitches
[02:54] <crimsun> un214: sure, create/modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify vesa
[02:54] <un214> but then kernel still grabs an incompatible fbcon
[02:54] <crimsun> un214: even if you uninstall plymouth?
[02:55] <un214> modprobe finds and loads the driver automatically
[02:55] <crimsun> un214: raof or Sarvatt would probably know
[02:57] <un214> Sarvatt: you here?
[03:01] <un214> apparently not :(
[03:02] <un214> this close tie between the kernel and X makes for odd things when one wants to intercept the package management
[03:06] <un214> all right, who changed the command to rebuild xorg?
[03:09] <DanaG> !find hid2hci
[03:10] <DanaG> !find /usr/sbin/hid2hci
[03:10] <DanaG> hmm.
[03:11] <crimsun> wrong path
[03:11] <crimsun> udev: /lib/udev/hid2hci
[03:12] <DanaG> yeah, weird... it's not working for my usb bluetooth dongle.
[03:13] <DanaG> My internal BT dongle starts out in HCI mode anyway, but the spare second dongle I have starts out in HID mode.
[03:15] <DanaG> I called hid2hci on it manually, and now the input device part disappeared.
[03:15] <symptom> Hello Does anyone know how minimizing a window will be handled on Lucid with the new Light theme?
[03:15] <flodine> can someone tell me how i can stop typing nautilus -q cause i keep getting those white line on my desktop,i want a fix
[03:15] <DanaG> er, one part of it did, rather.
[03:15] <symptom> since there is no task bar at the bottom...
[03:21] <throughnothing> How can I get rid of the universal access indicator that is now showing up in lucid
[03:21] <Technoviking> anyone else can't see the menu in OpenOffice in the new dark theme
[03:21] <DanaG> ugh, what the heck?
[03:22] <DanaG> My right-side icons are MAX, MIN, CLOSE.
[03:22] <h00k> "Empathy" is renamed "chat" in the indicator applet. cool.
[03:22] <DanaG> SOmebody must've been on crack when designing that.
[03:22] <DanaG> =þ
[03:22] <h00k> DanaG: I found it odd at first, but actually I quite like it
[03:22] <throughnothing> DanaG, heh i was wondering about that too, it looks good im just not sure about the close not being on the far left
[03:22] <DanaG> Well, it breaks muscle memory.
[03:22] <throughnothing> lucky for me i only use the keyboard to close windows
[03:23] <throughnothing> I'm not certain if I like the scrollbars yet, though
[03:23] <DanaG> hmm, I still have the old theme.
[03:24] <DanaG> Ugh, yeah, that's way wrong.
[03:25] <rww> /apps/metacity/general/button_layout, in case anyone was wondering how to change the button layout.
[03:25] <DanaG> Well, who decided to break it like that?
[03:25] <throughnothing> I just wanna know how to get rid of the universal access preferences indicator
[03:25] <DanaG> Was that a conscious choice?
[03:25] <throughnothing> DanaG, it had to be, and they do supposedly have some good design people on the team
[03:25] <rww> DanaG: I think so, considering that making it sane again makes the theme look stupid.
[03:26] <DanaG> weird... "unset key" fixed it.
[03:26] <throughnothing> and yeah, making it "normal" makes it look terrible
[03:26] <DanaG> well, good luck convincing users to try ubuntu when every time they try to maximize a window, it minimizes -- and vice versa.
[03:26] <throughnothing> The universal access preferences icon just looks terrible with the new theme and takes up a lot of space for me never using it
[03:28] <Technoviking> can someone confirm this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532389
[03:30] <rww> Technoviking: sure. One sec.
[03:30] <throughnothing> ah, figured out the accessibility thing, uncheck "accessibility features can be toggled with the keyboard" in the keyboard preferences window in case anybody else is being annoyed by that
[03:32] <rww> Technoviking: confirmed, bug status changed accordingly
[03:32] <Technoviking> rww: thanks
[03:34] <symptom> Hello Does anyone know how minimizing a window will be handled on Lucid with the new Light theme? since there is no task bar at the bottom.
[03:35] <throughnothing> is there no bottom taskbar by default in lucid now?
[03:35] <Sarvatt> un214: you use fbdev not vesa with a KMS driver
[03:35] <rww> symptom: One sec, I'll go make a new user without my panel customizations and see for you :)
[03:37] <rww> thought so...
[03:38] <rww> symptom, throughnothing: There is a bottom panel (with the same configuration as Karmic), it's just not shown in the screenshots that are going around.
[03:39] <rww> symptom: screenshot: http://imagebin.org/87604
[03:39] <vbabiy> Any know how I can fix this http://pastebin.com/BbDsM8nV
[03:39] <DanaG> hmm, I still have the Human theme.
[03:39] <DanaG> And I find those buttons quite ugly.
[03:40] <vbabiy> Failed during the install and it always fails on update
[03:40] <xxploit> is the light theme out now? cause i have the gdm theme changed/background on the lastest upgrade but there seems to be no gtk theme
[03:40] <symptom> ok thanks.  I thought I read somewhere that it was going out sin bottom taskbar
[03:40] <vbabiy> yeah, you have to select in the appearance section.
[03:41] <xxploit> whats the theme called?
[03:41] <rww> symptom: the screenshots that came out before the theme was released had the bottom bar cut off for some reason. I imagine that rumor came from there.
[03:41] <vbabiy> light
[03:41] <rww> xxploit: Dark one is "Ambiance", light one is "Radiance"
[03:42] <vbabiy> rww, which do you like better
[03:42] <DanaG> Looks like they need to fix the button pixmaps.
[03:42] <rww> and the package name is light-themes
[03:42] <vbabiy> yeah
[03:42] <xxploit> those r it?...man i think there ugly... the window button controls r horrid looking
[03:42] <rww> vbabiy: I'm not a fan of dark themes in general, so Radiance
[03:42] <vbabiy> rww, I like both I wish you can have it switched based on time, light during the day dark at night
[03:44] <symptom> yea... I do like how you put the window control buttons on the right rww I hate the left controls.  But I have to agree with xxploit that they dont look very good.
[03:44] <DanaG> Yeah, they're horrible -- especially when you unbreak the min/max order.
[03:44] <rww> symptom: The layout in that screenshot is how it is by default.
[03:44] <symptom> other than that I like it
[03:44] <xxploit> symptom, and the scrollbar looks so dated compared to the last theme
[03:45] <DanaG> oh, and greyed-out scroll-button when at top and bottom is ugly.
[03:45] <rww> apparently the whole "buttons on the left" idea went away, thank goodness. Now they just need to switch minimize and maximize back around.
[03:45] <symptom> true it looks like they used the lighter colored theme scroll bar
[03:45] <xxploit> the dark theme looks good overall but the window controls/scrollbar still look pretty horrid
[03:45] <symptom> all in all it looks pretty basic
[03:45] <xxploit> background/wallpaper really doesnt go well with the dark theme i do not think
[03:46] <symptom> Because today was the UI freeze is this how 10.4 will ship?
[03:46] <throughnothing> xxploit, i think it looks pretty good, but I agree about the scrollbars
[03:47] <vbabiy> Any know how I can fix this http://pastebin.com/BbDsM8nV
[03:47] <DanaG> random: http://home.comcast.net/~odnt/12012009.jpg
[03:47] <DanaG> oh, theme also breaks if panels are not exactly 24 pixels.
[03:47] <rww> Here's Radiance, for comparison: http://imagebin.org/87606
[03:48] <DanaG> ooh, sorbet is yummy.
[03:49] <DanaG> But still has panel image breakage.
[03:50] <DanaG> My top panel is set to 32 pixels, for reference -- I have a high-dpi display.
[03:52] <DanaG> oh, and sorbet also lacks focus indicators.
[03:54] <symptom> Yea they just used the same scroll bar
[03:55] <symptom> rww is this how Lucid will ship?  Because today was the UI freeze and all.
[03:55] <ejat> anyone here having prob with NM ?
[03:55] <rww> symptom: No idea. I don't know what the UI freeze entails.
[03:55] <ejat> since its indicate keep on connecting ..
[03:56] <ChogyDan> symptom: the UI freeze might be more for translations and such, so changing the theme would be fine
[03:56] <rww> ah, here we go
[03:56] <rww> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserInterfaceFreeze
[03:56] <symptom> ah
[03:56] <symptom> thanks
[03:56] <ejat> anyone?
[03:56] <rww> symptom: from the look of it, there are ways around UI Freeze, so it may still change.
[03:57] <symptom> not much of a freeze... They should call it a UI slush
[03:57] <throughnothing> hehe
[03:57] <Technoviking> symptom: They will be bug fixes and minor adjustment, but it can change drastically without approval from the tech board
[03:57]  * DanaG goes back to Human.
[03:57] <symptom> although remember when canonical made a huge update to a version like a month after the release... i think it was back in 06
[03:57] <symptom> they called it 6.04.1 or something
[03:58] <symptom> thank you Technoviking
[03:58] <symptom> I think they did the same with 8.04
[03:58] <ZykoticK9> If one wished to report a bug against the new Ambient & Radiance themes, what package would one report under? (transparency in panel notification area isn't working)
[03:59] <symptom> light theme I suppose....
[03:59] <humphreybc> hey everyone, i've got a quick question
[03:59] <humphreybc> does anyone know whether the depreciation of HAL in Lucid will be fixing a lot of suspend/resume bugs?
[04:00] <symptom> although I doubt the bug is in the theme itself...
[04:00] <ZykoticK9> symptom, actually if you switch between Human and one of the new ones it changes
[04:01] <rww> ZykoticK9: The package name is `light-themes`, so if it's actually a theme problem, it'd go there.
[04:01] <ejat> anyone here know the issue networkmanager in lucid alpha3 ? which is its keep connecting ... either wired @ wireless ?
[04:01] <ZykoticK9> rww, thanks
[04:02] <humphreybc> no one knows about suspend/resume in lucid?
[04:04] <throughnothing> humphreybc, i know it works fine for me, not sure how hal affects it or not, i read that it will supposedly make it faster though....it is definitely fast
[04:04] <throughnothing> it worked for me before with hal as well
[04:05] <humphreybc> hmm. i've had odd problems with it. worked fine in jaunty on ati proprietary drivers, then in karmic the ati drivers wouldn't install properly due to a bug that still hasn't been fixed afaik. so i went with the open source radeon drivers, which suspend/resume worked for a bit, then died and it's never worked since.
[04:05] <humphreybc> it suspends okay, but when i try to wake it up, it appears that the display, keyboard and mouse aren't waked up
[04:09] <throughnothing> humphreybc, strange, I'm not really sure
[04:09] <throughnothing> it could be related to policykit or it could be related to lots of other things
[04:10] <humphreybc> yeah, well i originally blamed the radeon drivers
[04:10] <humphreybc> but a combination of the fact it worked at one point, and the fact the keyboard doesn't seem to work either
[04:11] <humphreybc> (i know this because after waking it up, it turns on, but hitting caps lock doesn't turn on the caps lock light)
[04:11] <humphreybc> so i'm not sure. but i'm installing lucid tomorrow as a fresh install, so we shall see
[04:11] <throughnothing> have u tried putting it to sleep with music playing, and then resuming
[04:11] <throughnothing> and seeing if the music comes back
[04:11] <throughnothing> if so, it may just be that your monitor is not coming back up
[04:11] <throughnothing> ive had that happen before
[04:11] <humphreybc> no, i haven't! that's a good idea.
[04:12] <humphreybc> i'll try that tonight
[04:12] <throughnothing> it'll just help you pinpoint where the problem is hopefully
[04:12] <humphreybc> if suspend still doesn't work in lucid then i'll be testing the hell out of it and filing bug reports
[04:12] <throughnothing> it sounds like it may just be the monitor not coming back on....or possibly even the backlight
[04:12] <humphreybc> because i want to try to fix this :)
[04:13] <throughnothing> with my old laptop the whole computer would come back up fine, but the backlight wouldnt come on, so it was basically useless
[04:13] <humphreybc> hmm
[04:13] <throughnothing> and that was with ATI drivers
[04:13] <throughnothing> but that was like years ago
[04:13] <humphreybc> yeah
[04:13] <humphreybc> i'm tempted to give the proprietary drivers another shot
[04:13] <humphreybc> but i've found the open source ones to be much more responsive
[04:14] <humphreybc> although they don't have openGL working with compiz, whereas ATI do
[04:14] <humphreybc> not that I use openGL at all that often, except for Google Earth every now and then
[04:14] <humphreybc> the problem is that once you choose to install one or the other, it can be tedious to change properly
[04:15] <humphreybc> i believe ATI have done a lot of work on their drivers in the last 6 months though
[04:16] <humphreybc> i found the dual screen support with the open source drivers much better
[04:20] <lastent> hi, when will the new gui be comming in the iso?
[04:26] <mjs7231> Hey guys, can someone help me fix some issues I'm having with the Dust Theme.  It seems a recent update made it all f**ked up.
[04:27] <mjs7231> Here is a screenshot of what it looks like now: http://imgur.com/Nqo7e
[04:28] <mjs7231> You can see the sides are all just wrong..
[04:29] <DanaG> That's probably somebody's design choice.
[04:34] <humphreybc> ew
[04:34] <humphreybc> if that's a design decision, then god help us
[04:36] <genii> Designers. Kill em all and let God sort it out.
[04:38] <Mage__> hey everyone!
[04:38] <humphreybc> genii: sometimes that's tempting
[04:39] <humphreybc> hi Mage__
[04:39] <rolsworth> just launched the lucid build. looks pretty much the same. i wonder why they do that because ubuntu kind of looks like somethign from back in the 90s
[04:39] <Mage__> i'm not sure if this is the right channel, but i have a question on getting full sound working and i'm using ubuntu lucid alpha 3.  been trying for the past couple years on and off with no success
[04:40] <Mage__> i just tried installing the driver from realtek's site and although i got it to compile and install still 2.1 so i'm assuming i did something wrong since that driver is for my sound card (alc660)
[04:40] <crimsun> err
[04:41] <crimsun> don't use that driver
[04:41] <crimsun> remove it and use linux-alsa-driver-modules from ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev
[04:41]  * humphreybc is off to work, see you everyone!
[04:41] <Mage__> um...how do i remove it?
[04:41] <Mage__> bye bye humphreybc!
[04:41] <Mage__> have fun at work
[04:42] <crimsun> Mage__: if you're lucky, make uninstall
[04:42] <Mage__> ok, os just go back into the folder that has the driver and do sudo make uninstall?
[04:42] <Mage__> so*
[04:43] <crimsun> if that's a valid Makefile target, yes
[04:43] <crimsun> otherwise you'll need to manually hunt down the installed files and rm them individually
[04:43] <Mage__> ok it seems it did something lol
[04:44] <Mage__> rm -f to 3 folders
[04:45] <Mage__> alright i added the ppa so i'll install that driver now
[04:46] <Mage__> hopefully i don't foo bar the system again like i did last time i tried to compile sound drivers lol
[04:46] <Mage__> holy cow which one do i use the generic one right?
[04:47] <crimsun> yes, just install linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:49] <Mage__> alright just installed it so i'm gonna restart and see if it works
[04:52] <Mage__> still no surround sound profile:(
[04:54] <Mage__> just analog stereo {output, input, duplex}, digital stereo {duplex (IEC95E), (IEC95E) output + analog stereo input}
[04:54] <crimsun> Mage__: well, does your driver even support it properly?
[04:54] <DanaG> I have a sort of reverse issue: http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/678
[04:55] <Mage__> yep cause in windows i have full 5.1, but in ubuntu i only get 2.1
[04:55] <crimsun> Mage__: no, the *Linux* driver
[04:56] <Mage__> from what i remember on the alsa-project website it had my card supported but i will go double check
[04:56] <crimsun> e.g., pasuspender -- speaker-test -c6 -Dplughw:0 -twav -l1
[04:56] <crimsun> err, sorry
[04:56] <crimsun> e.g., pasuspender -- speaker-test -c6 -Dplug:surround51 -twav -l1
[04:57] <Mage__> that command returned sound otu of the front left and right only
[04:57] <Mage__> out*
[04:57] <Mage__> oh snap it seems my card was removed from the alsa-project
[04:58] <crimsun> Mage__: so alsa doesn't properly support it, which means that PA certainly won't
[04:58] <ranjan> any body using the theme radiance??
[04:59] <Mage__> that makes me sad, cause a few years back when jaunty was released someone who had my same motherboard somehow got full 5.1 without any tweaks but i never did
[04:59] <Mage__> i guess i can finally give up trying to make it work now though:/
[05:02] <Mage__> alright well thanks for the help, just have to wait till i get some money for a new mobo then that may have better support
[05:02] <rww> ranjan: yes
[05:03] <ranjan> rww, which is the theme engine its based on??
[05:03] <ranjan> rww, i am not able to enable it in karmic
[05:03] <ranjan> the gtk is the old and ugly
[05:03] <crimsun> Mage__: it's certainly possible, but you'll need to create a custom asoundrc
[05:04] <Mage__> i wouldn't mind doing that, i'm comfortable with the terminal and manually editing files, had to do it quite a bit in hardy lol
[05:06] <rww> ranjan: No idea. Do you know how I'd find that out?
[05:07] <ranjan> how?? actually i got the link..thanks
[05:07] <ranjan> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/new-ubuntu-1004-light-and-dark-themes.html
[05:07] <punkrockguy318> So is fglrx still broken in lucid?
[05:10] <rww> punkrockguy318: looks like it, according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/494699
[05:10] <punkrockguy318> thanks
[05:10] <punkrockguy318> i think i might just make a lucid partition anyway and start using that; i rarely use openGL and i'd like to contribute to ubuntu however I can
[05:10] <Mage__> there was a new open source ati driver released though i think today or yesterday, you may want to look into that
[05:11] <Mage__> not sure if it sports 3d though i can't recall
[05:11] <punkrockguy318> i ran the daily from a couple days ago and I was really impressed with it
[05:12] <punkrockguy318> especially the pulseaudio situation.. the SDL/pulseaudio situation is completely fixed... this has been so annoying for me; i'm the head dev of fceux which uses SDL and i'm constantly getting complaints about sound but everything is gravy in ubuntu+1 =]
[05:12] <DanaG> actually, fglrx works fine for 2.6.32; the X server is the real issue.
[05:12] <MindVirus> Hi.
[05:12] <Mage__> hello MindVirus
[05:13] <MindVirus> I want to kill maximus.
[05:13] <MindVirus> I cannot kill maximus.
[05:13] <MindVirus> A process respawns it.
[05:13] <MindVirus> Over and over.
[05:13] <MindVirus> I found a file: /etc/xdg/xdg-une/autostart/maximus-autostart.desktop
[05:14] <punkrockguy318> DanaG, yeah i was just reading that in the bug report that was linked.  i only really play fceuX (my project) and skulltag; both which run fine in software mode
[05:14] <MindVirus> But I want it to start when I run an Ubuntu Netbook Edition session.
[05:14] <MindVirus> So, I am weary of moving it.
[05:14] <Mage__> i am not too familiar with the netbook remix since i haven't used it but i believe maximus is the actually controller of the display so i believe it's tied into the system so it must start
[05:14] <MindVirus> Any suggestions?
[05:14] <MindVirus> Mage__: In general?!
[05:14] <DanaG> hmm, try booting with radeon.modeset=1 (if you can afford more wattage being used).
[05:14] <DanaG> The open-source 3D drivers nowadays are pretty dang awesome.
[05:14] <MindVirus> Mage__: Even for a GNOME session?
[05:14] <Mage__> you should be able to check System => Preferences => Startup Applications to control bootup programs
[05:15] <Mage__> MindVirus: No a normal Gnome session should not start it
[05:15] <MindVirus> Mage__: My normal GNOME session starts it.
[05:15] <MindVirus> Please help.
[05:16] <Mage__> Check the System => Preferences => Startup Applications.  It list programs that start with the session
[05:16] <MindVirus> Maximus isn't there.
[05:17] <Mage__> MindVirus, Hmm not sure then, let me see if I can find anything online.
[05:18] <ZykoticK9> MindVirus, this "might" be of interest https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maximus/+bug/396485
[05:18] <MindVirus> WISHLIST
[05:18] <MindVirus> WHAT
[05:19] <Mage__> MindVirus, In your startup applications do you have remember running applications on logout checked?
[05:19] <MindVirus> Mage__: Yes.
[05:19] <MindVirus> "I disagree with this feature request. I think the ability to stop the maximus service and logout/login again is sufficient."
 Do I then have to stay in GNOME session?
[05:20] <Mage__> MindVirus, just log out and log back in and it won't start up since you told it not to remember
[05:21] <MindVirus> Mage__: If I turn it back on again will I have to stay in the GNOME session?
[05:22] <Mage__> MindVirus, The options for remembering is just to save tedium and open up all process and programs you had open when you logged out.  So you can check and uncheck it at your leisure.
[05:23] <MindVirus> Mage__: I would prefer a checkbox in the logout box.
[05:23] <Mage__> MindVirus, I agree but they chose to put it in the Startup Applications
[05:24] <MindVirus> Mage__: Is there any way to change that?
[05:24] <Mage__> MindVirus, you would have to change the code of the logout dialog
[05:24] <MindVirus> Mage__: Do you know where I can find that?
[05:27] <natethegreat1419> Hello is one there
[05:28] <Mage__> MindVirus, I am not sure.  That would definitely require an intense search.  You may want to try one of the #ubuntu-dev channel for that
[05:28] <Mage__> Hello natethegreat1419
[05:28] <natethegreat1419> Hey I was wondering how is the new Ubuntu??
[05:29] <Mage__> I'm using it now and it's awesome, much faster as well.
[05:29] <natethegreat1419> Awesome? Any bugs?
[05:29] <MindVirus> I agree completely.
[05:29] <MindVirus> natethegreat1419: Lots.
[05:29] <MindVirus> Keep in mind this is Alpha 3.
[05:29] <natethegreat1419> Yea I know but I was wondering
[05:29] <natethegreat1419> is it alot quicker than 9.10?
[05:30] <MindVirus> natethegreat1419: Lots.
[05:30] <natethegreat1419> Awesome
[05:30] <Mage__> natethegreat1419, few bugs but it is alpha.  it also much faster than 9.10
[05:30] <natethegreat1419> I hope that it aint as buggy during final release as 8.04 did
[05:31] <MindVirus> natethegreat1419: It is already feeling polished.
[05:31] <natethegreat1419> cool
[05:32] <natethegreat1419> I am definatelly going to have to check it out after final release unless I get my own computer first
[05:32] <natethegreat1419> Than I will get the beta or Alpha LOL
[05:41] <flodine> can someone tell me how i can stop typing nautilus -q cause i keep getting those white line on my desktop,i want a fix
[05:51] <rpk> hey, i'm having issues pinging in a clean install of ubuntu server alpha 3, can anyone point me at a good tut for fixing connectivity issues?
[05:54] <MindVirus> When will the theme be fixed?
[05:55] <MindVirus> Anyone know?
[05:56] <Mage__> not sure
[06:06] <MindVirus> I am looking forward to it.
[06:06] <MindVirus> I hope they do the scroll bars as well as the metacity theme.
[06:11] <Mage__> crimsun, are you still here?
[06:22] <MindVirus> Anyone know where I can go to get help for netbook edition?
[06:31] <dupondje> is the new theme already out somehow ? or we have to wait ? :)
[06:32] <MindVirus> dupondje: A working version, yes.
[06:32] <MindVirus> Still somewhat buggy.
[06:33] <dupondje> MindVirus: what package ?
[06:33] <MindVirus> dupondje: For the theme?
[06:33] <MindVirus> dupondje: I'm not sure.
[06:33] <rww> dupondje: light-themes for the GTK theme
[06:34] <rww> it should be pulled in by ubuntu-desktop
[06:34] <rww> (via ubuntu-artwork)
[06:35] <dupondje> it adds 2 new themes :) lets try
[06:50] <switchgirl> anyone know when the real java will be added to the repo's? so i can have a java applet
[06:51] <ZykoticK9> switchgirl, it's there now - add the partner repo :)
[06:51] <Mage__> the real java is there, you can use the openjdk-jre and the icedtea6-plugin or the sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin
[06:52] <switchgirl> thanks
[06:52] <switchgirl> i have (separate issues with gnome-panel)
[06:55] <switchgirl> i cant add it
[06:55] <switchgirl> i cant remove it
[06:55] <switchgirl> i cant even change the properties
[07:05] <coz_> hey guys..when a bug is confirmed  when would it generally be updated in lucid?
[07:07] <switchgirl> The GNOME Panel 2.29.91 <<< i have 2 versions of the same package installed yet they show the same number and exibhit different settings
[07:11] <coz_> switchgirl,  there is a ppa for sun java
[07:12] <coz_> switchgirl,  i got it to work for every applications that requres sun java but not in firefox
[07:13] <booboo> switchgirl,    https://launchpad.net/~voronov84/+archive/andreyv
[07:13] <coz_> switchgirl,   ^^^
[07:13] <coz_> switchgirl,  it may be the system I have lucid installed on or some factor here that it doesn work in firefox
[07:19] <_KAMI_1> Hi!
[07:19] <_KAMI_1> I have mobility radeon 3470 and I can not get to work under
[07:19] <_KAMI_1> 10.04
[07:20] <_KAMI_1> I tried with stock kernel
[07:20] <_KAMI_1> wit and without radeon.modeset=1 kernelé paramaeter
[07:20] <_KAMI_1> I tried with 2.6.33 kernel
[07:20] <_KAMI_1> with 2.6.33 966 (drm-next) kernel but no success so far
[07:21] <eeexception> Hi. Has anyone tested ubuntu 10.04 alpha? Is there still a problem with usb flash drivers? At this morning I was trying to connect to my laptop with ubuntu 10.04 Sony Reader prs-300, but was nothing. lsusb also was empty
[07:23] <_KAMI_1> I copied radeon/R600_rlc.bin to right place for KMS
[07:24] <switchgirl> meh
[07:24] <switchgirl> i'm going to go to hardy
[07:24] <_KAMI_1> I have no error in kernel legs
[07:24] <_KAMI_1> but I have probloems in X
[07:26] <_KAMI_1> Also I probed non open source driver
[07:26] <_KAMI_1> but fglrx wants to remove ubuntu desktop
[07:30] <ZykoticK9> _KAMI_1, i don't use ATI personally, but on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha3 under Known Issues, "The fglrx binary driver for ATI video chipsets does not yet support the X server in Lucid"
[07:32] <_KAMI_1> okay but I wanted to use opensource radeon, radeonhd and ati drivers
[07:33] <ZykoticK9> _KAMI_1, i believe it's only Nvidia that supports the multiple drivers feature (i could be wrong)
[07:35] <rww> ZykoticK9: What?
[07:35] <rww> radeon works fine in lucid.
[07:35] <rww> _KAMI_1: What exactly are the problems you're seeing in X?
[07:36] <eeexception> And what about usb flash devices in Lucid?
[07:36] <_KAMI_1> undefinied symbol
[07:36] <ZykoticK9> rww, but you can't have multiple driver simultaneously installed can you?  (like the new/old feature with Nvidia correct?)
[07:36] <_KAMI_1> in /usr/...../drivers/radeon_drv.so
[07:37] <_KAMI_1> Should I have to force radeon.modeset=1 as kernel parameter?
[07:37] <rww> ZykoticK9: The various free drivers can be installed simultaneously. fglrx is a pain in the backside and causes problems when installed alongside the others.
[07:37] <ZykoticK9> rww, thanks
[07:37] <rww> _KAMI_1: Where are you getting an undefined symbol error? In Xorg.0.log, in the console, etc...
[07:38] <_KAMI_1> In concole
[07:39] <_KAMI_1> I used radeon driver
[07:39] <_KAMI_1> in karamic
[07:39] <_KAMI_1> however I had git compiled version
[07:39] <_KAMI_1> because I wanted to test KMS
[07:39] <Jara> Hey guys, just wanted to say congrats on lucid so far  liveusbstick booted in 8 seconds
[07:39] <_KAMI_1> but KMS not worked me
[07:40] <_KAMI_1> I had proper 3D only without KMS
[07:40] <rww> _KAMI_1: do you have the package libdrm-radeon1 installed?
[07:40] <Jara> Any luck on getting software center to not crash every second?
[07:40] <_KAMI_1> nww sure
[07:40] <_KAMI_1> I have
[07:41] <_KAMI_1> also I have mesa
[07:41] <_KAMI_1> xserver-xorg-video-radeon, ati, radeonhd too
[07:42] <rww> _KAMI_1: If you've compiled stuff from git in the past and are manually copying files and whatever, it's probably some conflict introduced by that. Try booting from a LiveCD and see if it brings up X11 properly.
[07:42] <_KAMI_1> they are git versions by date 20100302
[07:46] <_KAMI_1> I will try that
[07:48] <Peddy> who else isn't liking the 10.04 concept art?
[07:49] <wgrant> The theme or the other propaganda?
[07:49] <_KAMI_1> the desktop looks cool
[07:49] <solid_liquid> I like the new bootsplash
[07:49] <_KAMI_1> however I did not perfer grey menubar icons
[07:49] <solid_liquid> (the one that just installed a couple hours ago)
[07:49] <_KAMI_1> but I loved the old design of logo
[07:50] <wgrant> solid_liquid: I don't like the way the circles don't fade.
[07:50] <wgrant> It's just click... click... click... click.
[07:50] <solid_liquid> yeah, I don't know what's with the gray...  I had it set to transparent before the update
[07:50] <solid_liquid> wgrant, hmm, I don't remember the circles
[07:51] <wgrant> solid_liquid: The four dots along the bottom that make up the progress bar.
[07:51] <solid_liquid> oh
[07:51] <solid_liquid> thos
[07:51] <solid_liquid> *those
[07:51] <solid_liquid> yeah...
[07:52] <solid_liquid> but, it's the 1st test of the new theme
[07:52] <solid_liquid> maybe they'll fix that soon
[07:54] <solid_liquid> anyone gotten the Gwibber client to work?
[07:54] <wgrant> solid_liquid: It had been broken for me for a few days until the desktop-couch upgrade a few hours ago.
[07:55] <solid_liquid> hmm\
[07:55] <solid_liquid> I saw that update, but it isn't doing anything for me
[08:06] <rye> anybody running GNOME with multi-display installation? I.e. non-Twin-view/non-Xinerama ?
[08:08] <ZykoticK9> rye, my nvidia setting isn't handling Separate X Screen AT ALL right now - bug #526175
[08:08] <eeexception> So anyone tried to mount flash drives? I could not connect my e-book sony reader
[08:09] <rye> ZykoticK9, my handles, but it is now... a bit strange. Nautilus crashes while trying to draw the desktop, notifications appear in the center of the screen...
[08:09] <rye> ah, notifications appear there when I am on other $DISPLAY... hm...
[08:24] <simion314> i upgraded to 10.04 from karmic, 5-10 seconds after boot ,when runing on my menus or opening apps my scrren becomes black and i have to restart, nothing works, ctrl+alt+del not working too
[08:24] <simion314> any ideea? it is xorg? something that starts in background can cause this?
[08:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> can xorg still be zapped using a key combo? i see ctrl+alt+backspace has been disabled for some time, but i couldn't remember if the alternative was allowed
[08:28] <rww> ubottu: dontzap | Kamping_Kaiser
[08:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll have a look
[08:28] <ZykoticK9> Kamping_Kaiser, it's alt+sysrq+k by default
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> ZykoticK9: ah, that looks like it. thanks.
[08:36] <rye> ZykoticK9, bug #508890 .. nice...
[08:37] <ZykoticK9> rye, good find :)
[08:38] <rye> yeah, if show_desktop is disabled then it works... The bad thing is that it might leave the cursor in "waiting/spinning" state even if you disable show_desktop :)
[08:39] <ZykoticK9> rye, you also won't be able to use your desktop for icons / shortcuts / etc
[08:40] <rye> ZykoticK9, yup, but this is not that important... I have my desktop almost always filled with windows, so sometimes I don't remember what wallpaper I have :)
[08:40] <rye> but nautilus now respawns on crashes...
[08:41] <ZykoticK9> rye, the wallpaper is easy to work around - compiz wallpaper will show up if you disable nautilus' controll of desktop - but no icons... that's would be an issue for many people
[08:41] <rye> ZykoticK9, yes, subscribed to the bug, ready to test whatever they come up with...
[08:42] <rye> but notifications appearing in the middle of the screen (i.e. top/centered) is a strange thing as well...
[08:49] <mortal_> hello. when installing lucid alpha3 on my omnibook 510, the installer starts and everything but the screen stays blank
[08:49] <simion314> i upgraded to 10.04 from karmic, 5-10 seconds after boot ,when runing on my menus or opening apps my scrren becomes black and i have to restart, nothing works, ctrl+alt+del not working too
[08:50] <bj0> simion314, intel video card?
[08:50] <simion314> i read all the logs i know and i did not found anything
[08:50] <simion314> no ati
[08:51] <bj0> ah, i had problems with the intel driver...
[08:51] <bj0> CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel
[08:51] <simion314> bj0: thte interesting thing is that it boots,gnome starts ,and i can open apps after that it goes black
[08:51] <bj0> this is needed for iotop
[08:51] <bj0> (works in 9.10, not ini 10.04)
[08:52] <bj0> simion314, yea, mine would do that, but instead of going black it would just freeze
[08:52] <bj0> it was the intel driver doing it though (im pretty sure)
[08:52] <bj0> simion314,  you using compiz?
[08:52] <simion314> so could be a applet from gnome or something that it loads after in background? i will try fluxbox to see if it is gnome related
[08:52] <bj0> if so, you can try turning it off
[08:53] <simion314> bj0: i do not have enought time to turn it off, maybe remove it
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> murangetto!
[08:54] <bj0> simion314, if you can go to a tty while booting up with ctrl-alt-f1 / f2 etc
[08:54] <bj0> you can try DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace
[08:55] <simion314> ok, i will restar in lucid now
[08:58] <bj0> i guess ill file a bug report
[09:05]  * BUGabundo_remote starts a new µblogging hashtag: #rosachique #pinkchick
[09:31] <screen-x> Whats the status of boot graphics in lucid? I'm using an up to date lucid with a luks encrypted root and get this http://imgbin.org/images/1342.jpg when booting up.
[09:33] <toresbe> Whoa. Has there been some improvement in the "Reading Database" step of dpkg in lucid?
[09:36] <void^> STOP UNIT: FAILED: Success
[09:36] <void^> yay, gnome catched up to windows in error message quality
[09:41] <mahesh> hi
[09:41] <zniavre> good morning
[09:42] <mahesh> good mornig
[09:42] <mahesh> can u help me ?
[09:42] <zniavre> what s happened ?
[09:43] <mahesh> how to handle SIGHUP signal in daemon
[09:44] <mahesh> is thr any one can help me/
[09:49] <zniavre> i do not know sorry
[09:52] <eeexception> Still has a question about usb devices support in Lucid
[09:54] <eeexception> I have not find any opened bug, but I could not connect Sony e-book reader to netbook( So I even do not see that device is connected in output of lsusb
[09:55] <Ian_Corne> weird, ubuntu-artwork updates just fine om my desktop
[09:55] <Ian_Corne> but is kept back on my laptop
[09:56] <yofel> Ian_Corne: different architecture?
[09:56] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[09:56] <Ian_Corne> no
[09:56] <yofel> odd then
[09:57] <Ian_Corne> aptitude does install it..
[09:57] <Ian_Corne> but wants to remove the packages that autoremove would remove too
[09:57] <Ian_Corne> so autoremoving first and then seeing if i can apt-get upgrade :)
[09:58] <Ian_Corne> oh wait, forgot to use dist-upgrade instead of upgrade :)
[09:58] <Ian_Corne> therein lies the difference!
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> merge-o-matic is an interesting tool. its rather cute the way it generates diffs for any changed files.
[10:07] <tehbaut> what will it take for ubuntu 10.4 to get hfs+ formatting capabilities in gparted by default?
[10:08] <tehbaut> gparted live already supports both hfs and hfs+ ...and ubuntu supports r/w of both as well
[10:08] <tehbaut> not sure what the big obstacle is
[10:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'd hae thought its a bit late in the release cycle for new filesystems in the installer
[10:10] <tehbaut> Kamping_Kaiser: why not? it's already supported
[10:11] <tehbaut> I don't know why gparted is left out ...and it's been that way for years now
[10:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> tehbaut: because its a change that has data destroying potential (for 5 years)
[10:11] <tehbaut> how does that happen?
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> data destruction, or 5 yeras support?
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> incase you aren't aware, i'm just speculating :)
[10:16] <tehbaut> well, no one would use it for anything that they wouldn't know how to use it for (e.g. they won't choose hfs+ in gparted unless that's what they want)
[10:17] <tehbaut> another issue I had was not being able to even format as hfs+ even after installing hfsprogs
[10:17] <tehbaut> I was able to do hfs, but that has a limit of 2GB per part
[10:21] <Ian_Corne> AAAH
[10:21] <Ian_Corne> my window control buttons got switched around :(
[10:21] <Ian_Corne> maximize is on the left, minimize in the center, x still on the right
[10:35] <tehbaut> darn it, gotta boot back into stinky gparted livecd
[10:36] <tehbaut> so, can I still make a case to get hfs+ support with gparted on install/livecd by default?
[10:55] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, why don't you just compile a kernel with hfs+ support?
[11:01] <blerk> quick question, yesterday i upgraded my 9.10 to 10.4 via update manager and got the new theme just fine, today i reinstalled using the current iso, also all fine except for the volume icon, which seems to have changed to something quite different, anyway i can change that icon to another one? i have no idea what icon it was i got in the upgrade, but the fresh install icon looks a bit awkward
[11:04] <tehbaut> SpaceGhostC2C: I don't want to have to keep maintaining it with each new release
[11:04] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, you really wouldn't have to.
[11:05] <tehbaut> why not?
[11:06] <tehbaut> SpaceGhostC2C: well anyway, I'm no good at that stuff anyway (compiling, et al)
[11:06] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, unless you needed the newest features or fixes, you don't really have to.
[11:07] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, it's usually a simple ./configure && make then you make check and make install.
[11:08] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, but you can hold your breath for hfs+ support.
[11:08] <tehbaut> SpaceGhostC2C: I guess I'm just not sure why it's not already enabled since hfs+ can already be read and written to... and why there is still opposition to it (or so it seems)?
[11:08] <red> Lucid Alpha 2 sports full removal of the hal package, making Ubuntu faster to boot and faster to resume from suspend.
[11:09] <red> how does this affect my machine? :)
[11:09] <tehbaut> SpaceGhostC2C: all that's needed is for gparted to actually work 100% as it should
[11:09] <red> (if I were to remove it)
[11:09] <tehbaut> (and as it does, on the gparted livecd)
[11:09] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, actually, hfs+ writing isn't 100% working, it's still a bit buggy. That's one reason.
[11:10] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, reading works, but sometimes it breaks. Does ubuntu's kernel support hfs+ writing?
[11:10] <tehbaut> hmmm, well writing and formatting are technically two separate things, and gparted live seems to handle the formatting part just fine
[11:12] <SpaceGhostC2C> let me rephrase tehbaut, the hfs+ support in the kernel isn't buggy. Formatting isn't FS dependent.
[11:12] <SpaceGhostC2C> s/isn't buggy/is buggy/
[11:13] <tehbaut> if formatting isn't FS dependent, what does that imply about the desired ability to format as hfs+ ?
[11:14] <tehbaut> I just don't understand why gparted live can do it, but gparted in ubuntu cannot
[11:14] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, To format as hfs+, you need hfs+ compiled into the kernel.
[11:14] <tehbaut> hrm, ok that makes sense then
[11:18] <xguru> can someone help me with this? http://www.pastebin.org/101642
[11:19] <SpaceGhostC2C> xguru, what were you trying to install or use?
[11:20] <xguru> trying to make vlc convert an .avi to .mp4.  Goal isto get a movie to play on my blackberry
[11:23] <SpaceGhostC2C> any reason why you're using vlc?
[11:23] <xguru> couldn't get winff to work
[11:24] <xguru> i didn't handbrake would do it?
[11:24] <xguru> *think
[11:28] <SpaceGhostC2C> xguru, do you want a GUI?
[11:29] <xguru> preferably, but i could use command line if necessary as long as there are some docs to read
[11:29] <SpaceGhostC2C> xguru, you could use mencoder, or for a gui try avidemux
[11:34] <xguru> SpaceGhostC2C: thanks for the info.  I'm looking into it now
[11:37] <mortal_> how do I get to the grub menu?
[11:37] <mortal_> esc does not work
[11:37] <arand_> mortal_: shift
[11:37] <mortal_> thanks
[11:37] <SpaceGhostC2C> xguru, no worries.
[11:38] <xguru> SpaceGhostC2C: i have it encoding a file, but i didn't see where i could set the resolution to be encoded to
[11:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> xguru, I encoded all my movie backups to mp4, but can't remember what I used, although I'm sure it was handbrake.
[11:40] <tehbaut> SpaceGhostC2C: so, what would be the worst case scenario for including hfs+ in the kernel?
[11:40] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, breaking your hfs+ partitions beyond repair.
[11:40] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, potentially losing all the data on the drive, even.
[11:40] <xguru> SpaceGhostC2C: yea i thought at first that it could do it.  Then i set the sources, and the output and the start button never came out of the dim state, so i could never start the process
[11:40] <tehbaut> SpaceGhostC2C: and what's the likeliness of that happening? and what would cause it?
[11:41] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, it's not stable, I'm not a developer for the kernel. I'd assume it's a good enough possibility for ubuntu's devs to not include it, or a lot of other teams.
[11:42] <mortal_> I hit a weird bug, I had a manual /directory mounted in fstab
[11:42] <mortal_> and during the boot it just jammed there
[11:42] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, any reason why you can't just resize it in say, mac os? Maybe even umm, GNUdarwin?
[11:42] <SpaceGhostC2C> mortal_, any error?
[11:42] <tehbaut> SpaceGhostC2C: I screwed up my bootup ;)
[11:43] <mortal_> SpaceGhostC2C: [SM] or something
[11:43] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, how so?
[11:43] <mortal_> and it just stalled, the "lights" kept on rolling
[11:43] <SpaceGhostC2C> mortal_, lights being your computer's lights?
[11:43] <mortal_> no
[11:43] <tehbaut> SpaceGhostC2C: I didn't know what I was doing while using fdisk on the mac ;)
[11:43] <mortal_> SpaceGhostC2C: the boot screen "lights"
[11:43] <mortal_> which roll
[11:44] <tehbaut> someone walked me through what I was trying to do, but I guess they didn't know what was going to happen from it either
[11:44] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, huh. Interesting deal bro. I prefer cfdisk.
[11:44] <SpaceGhostC2C> mortal_, it's a fresh install?
[11:44] <tehbaut> heh, yeah... well I have two partitions with osx, and I was having this odd case where booting either one of them always booted the same partition
[11:45] <SpaceGhostC2C> mortal_, boot from livecd and then mount your / partition and put the /etc/fstab file up on pastebin and give us a link, would you?
[11:45] <mortal_> SpaceGhostC2C: I upgraded from karmic
[11:45] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, so, why the fdisk'ing?
[11:45] <tehbaut> SpaceGhostC2C: this fdisk mishap was an attempt to fix it by giving the second partition the boot flag
[11:45] <mortal_> and some recent update broke it
[11:45] <mortal_> SpaceGhostC2C: maybe later today
[11:46] <mortal_> I fixed it myself, commented out and works now
[11:46] <SpaceGhostC2C> mortal_, either way, try what I said before, livecd paste /etc/fstab into http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and link here.
[11:46] <SpaceGhostC2C> mmk.
[11:46] <tehbaut> SpaceGhostC2C: after that, I could no longer get into any of my partitions... fun times
[11:47] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, then see if you can boot into a livecd and use sudo cfdisk /dev/<diskname> and reverse it. If that won't work, can you get another mac?
[11:47] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, if you can use another mac temporarily, you can boot your mac into firewire mode, and then use the borrowed mac to switch the boot flags back.
[11:56] <tehbaut> SpaceGhostC2C: Fatal Error: Bad primary partition 3: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder
[11:57] <tehbaut> btw, I did switch the boot flags in gparted between then and now
[11:57] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, tried using another mac?
[11:57] <tehbaut> thought that would be an easy fix... it apparently wasn't
[11:58] <tehbaut> nope, I don't have any other macs around
[12:00] <SpaceGhostC2C> tehbaut, make friends. Or possibly use ubuntu to get a VM of mac up, since it is mac hardware and then you can try to mount the drive in the vm, I'm not sure.
[12:01] <tehbaut> I'm probably just going to copy the files to a new drive, blow this one away, and reinstall
[12:12] <marienz> hmm, theme change. This'll take some getting used to.
[12:12] <marienz> am I completely nuts or did they flip the order of the minimize and unmaximize button? I keep clicking the wrong one
[12:13] <Sensiva> yeah true, its not in its place :D
[12:19] <SpaceGhostC2C> marienz, you can put them back on the right side.
[12:19] <marienz> oh, probably
[12:20] <marienz> I've only just switched, I'll leave it be for a while before messing with it
[12:34] <zniavre> there is an official how-to to make plymouth running please ? i can't find good infos on it
[12:34] <mortal_> how stable is the current boot code, will there be breakage before the release?
[12:34] <MenZa> Always expect breakage :)
[12:34] <mortal_> I can live with an unstable dev system but I want to be able to fix it myself
[12:35] <SpaceGhostC2C> mortal_, learn to debug and google. That's the best way, IMO. Unless you want to actually fix it with patches.
[12:35] <mortal_> once I hit this awful bug where the mkinitrd program started making initrds that did not function
[12:36] <mortal_> but lucid is not that unstable anymore, right? the release is right around the corner
[12:36] <simion314> i tried to install kernel 2.6.33 from kernel PPa but is nothing there
[12:37] <mortal_> but imo lucid is the greatest ubuntu release ever, or will be
[12:37] <simion314> i have a black screen after booting, gnome starts you can use it then it goes black and bye-bye, tried turning off kms and same problem, nothing intresting in logs
[12:37] <mortal_> the speed is very good
[12:37] <marienz> I have a bunch of black after the kernel boots I can't really explain
[12:37] <marienz> I wonder if my initrd is missing something
[12:38] <simion314> mortal_: depends of the hardware, some graphics card have big problems
[12:38] <mortal_> and after karmic even my noob friends have started using ubuntu
[12:38] <SpaceGhostC2C> mortal_, in terms of overall, or best release since the previous?
[12:38] <mortal_> overall, I think
[12:38] <SpaceGhostC2C> mortal_, well, that's kind of a silly statement. Obviously it'll be the best :p
[12:39] <mortal_> but the installer does not work on my omnibook 510
[12:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> mortal_, but it'd make sense if this weren't linux, since some other OS's do a lot of backsliding.
[12:39] <mortal_> so I have to use karmic on it
[12:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> mortal_, karmic isn't too bad.
[12:39] <simion314> in lucid gdm i was unable to find quick enaught the settings to change to fluxbox  to test that posibility, the fonts are so small and i hit suspend and my laptop never resumes...
[12:39] <marienz> oh hey, I have a mode switch about 8 seconds into dmesg
[12:40] <marienz> ah, I bet that's because I don't have the drm, ttm and drm_kms_helper modules in my initramfs
[12:46] <SpaceGhostC2C> yofel, thanks.
[12:46] <marienz> that's better. I have a radeon, and apparently kms works much more like I think it should if I add a dozen or so modules it uses to the initramfs.
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> SpaceGhostC2C:  thats not how i read it.
[12:46] <marienz> I wonder if that's supposed to happen automatically or not.
[12:46] <SpaceGhostC2C> Dr_Willis, sorry for not being clear.
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> You could make gnome load up 10000 other things and slow it down if you wanted to. :)
[12:47] <simion314> Dr_Willis: it crashes, i can;t go tty or ctrl+alt_del but this is a system upgraded from 9.10, but it was a clean system, i have no Cd to burn lucid and use the old cd
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> but once ya get a 30 second boot time.. does it really  matter if its 32 or 28 seconds... :)
[12:47] <simion314> my usb stick is no longer bootable so i can't use it
[12:47] <marienz> it's now switching to the panel's native mode 2 seconds into the boot process instead of 8
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> simion314:  do a ram test perhaps. and make a new usb boot  perhaps. is all i can suggest
[12:48] <simion314> i tried many cd images and programs, is like the boot sector is bad or something
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> simion314:  live cd, backup imporntant stuff.. and reinstall perhaps then.
[12:48] <phretor> hi
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> Hmm Im still getting package mnager issues on libc6-i686
[12:49] <phretor> the installer makes my laptop to become unresponsive since 9.10 and now even with 10.04 - it's an old ASUS M3000N but 9.04 runs fine on it. Hints?
[12:50] <simion314> Dr_Willis: i will wait a little ,eventualy i hope i can find out the problem, at least the component that is causing it, the logs are clean so it is a mystery, i will try fluxbox next time when i boot into it if i manage to get the settings in gdm to appear
[12:51] <simion314> i read on the web that  some bugs in kernel drm have been fixed in kernel...33 and the devs will have to decide whqat to do, i did not find if they decided what to do? backport the fixes ,maybe they already did it
[13:05] <ppine> Anyone got a tip on how to fix this? http://pastebin.com/nAcJWJcD
[13:06] <phretor> where can I find the alt-installer cd?
[13:07] <ppine> daily or alpha?
[13:07] <phretor> ppine: I thought there were beta around. However, whichever runs better.
[13:07] <ppine> i started out with a daily build a month ago
[13:08] <ppine> runs fine most of the time, only had a sound issue once but it got resolved
[13:08] <ppine> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[13:08] <phretor> ppine: will I find the alt-installer there? I've been having troubles with the default installer: basically, my laptop freezes.
[13:08] <ppine> yeah its there
[13:09] <ppine> both x64 as x86
[13:09] <BUGabundo_remote>   PID  SYSCPU  USRCPU  VGROW  RGROW  RDDSK  WRDSK  ST EXC S  CPU CMD     1/1
[13:09] <BUGabundo_remote>  6904   0.34s   1.22s     0K   188K     0K    44K  --   - S  78% beam.smp
[13:09] <BUGabundo_remote>  2488   0.32s   0.51s    32K   640K     0K     0K  --   - S  42% gwibber-servic
[13:09] <BUGabundo_remote>  2404   0.17s   0.48s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - S  32% gwibber
[13:09] <phretor> ppine: is it mirrored somewhere?
[13:09] <BUGabundo_remote> not nice! bad gwibber
[13:09] <phretor> ppine: looks rather slow from here (Italy, EU)
[13:12] <dehaani> hi folks, does anyone know if there's a problem with the alpha 3 installers partioner?
[13:12] <ppine> dehaani: use the alternate image
[13:12] <ppine> text mode, but works
[13:12] <phretor> dehaani: I've been having the same issue.
[13:13] <dehaani> thanks
[13:13] <Ian_Corne> anyone else's window control buttons mixed up?
[13:13] <dehaani> damned thing wiped my drive without me even asking it to commit any changes
[13:14] <SpaceGhostC2C> Ian_Corne, I don't think it's a but, it's intentional. AFAIK.
[13:14] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[13:14] <dehaani> i heard the controls had switched postitions Ian_Corne
[13:14] <Ian_Corne> it's pretty confusing
[13:14] <Ian_Corne> X is still on the right
[13:14] <dehaani> some folks have been asking how to change them back
[13:14] <Ian_Corne> maximize is on the left
[13:15] <Ian_Corne> minimiz in the center
[13:15] <SpaceGhostC2C> dehaani, it's in gconf. In metacity, I'll look for the specific key in a second.
[13:16] <red> After updating to Lucid Lynx, after boot I have a flashing "Starting File Manager" in my panel
[13:16] <red> any ideas?
[13:16] <dehaani> thanks, I'm not even there yet. I've had to reinstall my windows and now I'm downloading Lucid alternative
[13:16] <SpaceGhostC2C> red, yes. Realize it's a alpha still. Things break. Not sure how to fix that one though.
[13:17] <red> yes I realize
[13:17] <red> just seems quite groundbreaking so wondered if somene had heard of such
[13:17] <SpaceGhostC2C> red, did you look in launchpad for a bug about it?
[13:18] <red> not yet, uploading problem information atm
[13:18] <red> and gotta run, will be back later to check ->
[13:18] <blerk> red: i also had soem odd problems upgrading from 9.10 which in turn was upgraded from 8.x, i just did a fresh reinstall with todays livecd build and everything is fine
[13:19] <red> can't do a fresh install until next week I think
[13:19] <red> kinda busy, but will have to see
[13:19] <red> also my terminal has a weird purple overlay :)
[13:19] <blerk> mine is a tad bit transparent by default, which i like
[13:20] <blerk> apart from the ugly volume icon im quite pleased with the new look
[13:20] <zniavre> blerk,  the panel one ?
[13:20] <blerk> yeah, it was nice in my upgrade, but in the fresh install its ugly, and the bar when clicked is horizontal instead of the normal vertical one
[13:21] <zniavre> :o) new position is wanted (at least by devs)
[13:22] <zniavre> it's a part of indicator stuff ...
[13:22] <blerk> i wonder why i had a nicer/cleaner icon in the upgraded version and the ugly one in the clean install
[13:22] <blerk> so it will stay this way then ?
[13:22] <blerk> no more vertical volume bar?
[13:23] <zniavre> i do not know for the icon
[13:24] <blerk> hehe, its just an icon anyways, im just nitpicking
[13:24] <zniavre> you can try > alt+f2  > gnome-volume-control-applet
[13:25] <zniavre> the icon looks better than indicator-sound and it uses vertical slider
[13:25] <blerk> ah yeah, thats the one! it matches the other icons much better
[13:26] <zniavre> and the icon is scrollable ... (if this word exists)
[13:26] <blerk> thanks for that
[13:26] <blerk> can i just add the applet to the bar and remove the old one without causing something bad?
[13:28] <zniavre> i just remove indicator-sound via synaptic and add old control to startup programs
[13:28] <zniavre> removed
[13:31] <blerk> thanks, done that, seems the networking thingy can not be unlocked on the bar, so i cant move any new applets in front of it :/
[13:34] <blerk> gonna try restarting x
[13:36] <tritonx> hi all, is it possible that latests update broke the php/apache server, I have a page that was doing fine 2 days ago and since the update it is just a blank page.... any idea ?
[13:37]  * marienz waits for blerk to return
[13:38] <blerk> lovely :D
[13:38] <marienz> blerk: there's a trick to moving the networking thingy
[13:38] <marienz> blerk: that's actually on the notification area applet, which has an invisible grippy to the left of the networking icon
[13:38] <marienz> blerk: if you right-click in the correct position to the left of that icon you can unlock and move it
[13:39] <blerk> marienz: yeah, i accidently clicked in the right place to move it about :p
[13:39] <blerk> seems the gnome-volume-control-applet still uses the orange colours
[13:39] <marienz> I'm not sure if they're supposed to be invisible
[13:39] <marienz> blerk: progress bars use the same color, I think
[13:40] <blerk> marienz: it doesnt matter, i normally use the laptop hotkeys to change the volume, it was the icon that i wanted
[13:41] <blerk> it looks so much nicer with the wireless and other icons than the volume-control applet
[13:42] <tritonx> so nobody is having problem with apache since a few update.. sigh I'll keep looking
[13:43] <marienz> I think the new tooltip background is a little strange
[13:44] <blerk> tritonx: whats the problem with apache? breakage? or...
[13:46] <tritonx> my root index.php is not displaying
[13:46] <tritonx> lots of other pages display without problems
[13:47] <tritonx> I haven touched anything
[13:47] <tritonx> I have restored backup without success
[13:47] <blerk> tritonx: maybe the configuration has changed somewhere, you can set index pages to te be .php somewhere, though it should work by default, indd odd problem
[13:48] <tritonx> the other index.php work fine, so it must be something inside that one...
[13:48] <blerk> marienz: i noticed some balloon tips are transparent with rounD edges and some are square with black background
[13:48] <blerk> tritonx: does the apache error log show anything when you try to open it? you can also insert a line in the php file so it parses php errors on the page itself
[13:48] <marienz> blerk: have you noticed the square ones in things other than firefox?
[13:49] <zniavre> metacity buttons too
[13:49] <blerk> marienz: terminal also has them
[13:49] <marienz> hmm
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> I noticed on some of the themes i got - the volume speaker, and battery monitor icons were not working the other day
[13:49] <marienz> blerk: where? :)
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> need to test that again.. :)
[13:50] <blerk> marienz: when hoovering over the little buttons in the right hand corner
[13:50]  * marienz normally uses urxvt, can't trigger that tooltip
[13:50] <marienz> ahh, on the window decorations
[13:50] <marienz> not sure if those are ordinary tooltips
[13:50] <blerk> could be from the terminal app itself
[13:50] <marienz> no, I bet all max/min/close buttons (on title bars) do it
[13:51] <tritonx> I ve added an echo test in that file and all it display is test... hmmm
[13:51] <blerk> one positive thing i noticed is that i got about 15-20 mins more battery life vs. 9.10
[13:52] <blerk> marienz: confirmed that, tested some apps and all tooltips are square/black
[13:53] <zniavre> new-tooltip-style
[14:04] <nizuri> does unattended-upgrade work with lucid? or only with stable/final versions of ubuntu?
[14:10] <Chipaca> does the lucid installer do anything special with ssd's (re alignment of partitions, blocks)?
[14:10] <Dr_Willis> Chipaca:  not that ive heard of.
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> Ive heard that the BTRFS (a work in progress) has some SDD mode. but i dont think that feature is working yet.
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> btfs btrfs? i forget the exact name
[14:13] <Chipaca> btrfs
[14:17] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[14:19] <marienz> neat, there went my xserver
[14:19] <marienz> I don't think opening huge pixmaps is supposed to kill it
[14:21] <zniavre> im wondering why nvidia 195.xx is updated often but nvidia 173.14.22 is not
[14:21] <zniavre> im using the binary from nvidia.com cause 173.14.22 is bugged here and i feel i can't use plymouth
[14:24] <blerk> why isnt the compiz-gnome-settings-manager package included by default yet? i recall at some point it was and added a "custom" option onthe visual effects tab
[14:25] <zniavre> blerk,  causes it is not included into gnome yet?
[14:25] <red> why is that?
[14:26] <blerk> zniavre: but it can be added to ubuntu by default so we get more control over the settings, i like the extra option but dont want wobbly windows, without the manager there is no way to fine tune those settings
[14:26] <red> could someone give me a direct lucid .iso download address? so i could set my pc to dl it via ssh :)
[14:27] <red> cant browse www at the moment
[14:27] <zniavre> 32 or 64 bits?
[14:27] <blerk> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100305/lucid-desktop-i386.iso
[14:27] <blerk> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100305/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:27] <red> ty blerk
[14:27] <zniavre> yeahhh
[14:28] <blerk> todays build includes the new themes and bootsplash stuff
[14:28] <red> doh, seems my router has droppe connection yet again *curses telehell*
[14:30] <blerk> telenet? teleglobe?
[14:32] <mirsal_> hello :)
[14:32] <mirsal_> What's the preferred way to use compiz with nouveau in lucid ?
[14:33] <popey> i didnt think you could
[14:33] <popey> given we're not shipping wit the gallium3d driver
[14:33] <bjsnider> zniavre, you downloaded a driver from nvidia and installed it in lucid?
[14:33] <pmatulis> gosh, is *anybody* working on fixing aptitude?
[14:33] <zniavre> bjsnider, yes the 173.14.25
[14:33] <mirsal_> popey, according to glxinfo, direct rendering works and GLX_texture_from_pixmap is present
[14:34] <mirsal_> \o zniavre
[14:34] <popey> mirsal_: and have you tried compiz?
[14:35] <mirsal_> popey, well, no, that's why I ask ;)
[14:35] <popey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1416185
[14:35] <mirsal_> popey, thanks
[14:35] <zniavre> bjsnider, why this question ?
[14:35] <zniavre> mirsal_,  bonjour
[14:36] <bjsnider> zniavre, no reason
[14:36] <bjsnider> never mind
[14:36] <rye> pmatulis, aptitude segfaults?
[14:36] <zniavre> ha
[14:36] <pmatulis> rye: yes
[14:37] <zniavre> bjsnider, i did it cause 173.14.22 from ubuntu displayed wrong resolution and nvidia-settings was bugged (can't detect busid and can't change the resolution)
[14:37] <rye> pmatulis, I was able to reproduce it once but, as always, it does not want to break under gdb
[14:38] <bjsnider> zniavre, ok, i'm not interested
[14:38] <zniavre> o_O
[14:39] <zniavre> too many people seems not interested by legacy driver ...
[14:41] <bjsnider> zniavre, why don't you go to #ubuntu-x and complain to the devs about it? they can actually do something to change the situation
[14:41] <zniavre> i ask two times there without answers and filed bug report on launchpad without usefull helps
[14:43] <bjsnider> zniavre, what do you think the problem is?
[14:44] <zniavre> i do not know
[14:44] <zniavre> im not dev ...
[14:44] <zniavre> can i ask again in ubuntu-x channel ?
[14:44] <bjsnider> of course
[14:58] <marienz> and the default gnome keyring not getting unlocked when I log in is apparently just me? It asks me for my login password if I start evolution, which is a bit annoying.
[14:59] <marienz> oh wait, perhaps that doesn't work if I use autologin in gdm?
[15:07] <mirsal> popey, it works pretty well :)
[15:12] <sebsebseb> Hi
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> You can set the gnomekeyring password tobe empty so it never asks. But thats not as secure
[15:16] <red> hmmph :(
[15:17] <red> updating to the alpha removed all my ownmade shellscripts from the home folder
[15:17] <rye> hm, my gdm is now cute... it looks like it needs hello kitty logo somewhere.
[15:17] <rye> red, ? How?
[15:17] <red> no idea
[15:17] <red> they ain't there
[15:17] <sebsebseb> rye: heh heh in a way I guess
[15:18] <rye> why would it touch /home...
[15:18] <sebsebseb> rye: It reminds me a bit of that Hannah Montana OS based on Kubuntu
[15:18] <BUGabundo_remote> red: are you sure you have mounted the proper home?
[15:19] <Dr_Willis> only shell scripts got removed? that would be weird
[15:21] <sebsebseb> rye: Not the colours I would of gone for, but I guess I prefer it really to the dark one in 9.10.
[15:30] <rye> sebsebseb, http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/45399/hello_kitty_3Jckg6.png
[15:30] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. battery monitor is not showing up for me now. How.. odd.
[15:31] <Dr_Willis> Been looking for a hello kitty sticker for my Pink Netbook. :)
[15:31]  * Dr_Willis thinks of it as 'Theft Protection' :)
[15:32] <solid_liquid> Dr_Willis, I've had that intermittent problem too
[15:32] <solid_liquid> in fact, it's not showing right now
[15:33] <solid_liquid> Dr_Willis, actually, I just unplugged it and the battery icon showed up
[15:33] <solid_liquid> Dr_Willis, maybe it just doesn't show when the battery is fully charged
[15:33] <Dr_Willis> well im letting mine drain down.. just to see what happens.. and is not there :)
[15:34] <solid_liquid> hmm
[15:34] <Dr_Willis> even checked the 'always show'
[15:34] <solid_liquid> hmm, dunno
[15:35] <Dr_Willis> lets see if it shows up in KDE
[15:35] <solid_liquid> oh yeah, I've been meaning to try KDE on this
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> it did show up on KDE
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> 19%
[15:36] <solid_liquid> cool
[15:36] <solid_liquid> I'm going to install kde
[15:36] <sebsebseb> rye: heh :D
[15:36] <sebsebseb> rye: did you actsaully change it for yours?  I am not sure how to change the GDM background, well their are two programs that can do it I belive.
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> gdm background was (used to be) in the 'xsplash' directory
[15:37] <rye> sebsebseb, this is a vm fully upgraded to the latest... erm, nearly latest release. No idea how to change gdm on my host machine which is still in dark mood w/o hello-kitty style
[15:37] <alex_mayorga> is archive.ubuntu.com slooow or is it my "last mile"?
[15:38] <Dr_Willis> but everytime they updated gdm/xsplash it always changed back, there is a gdm2setup tool you can try also
[15:38] <sebsebseb> rye: ok so someone else made that image
[15:38] <Dr_Willis> The last batch of updates set up the new artwork. its to be the default ibelive
[15:39] <rye> sebsebseb, this is a default GDM background now, i believe
[15:39] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: looks like I will just continue to use KDM instead of GDM 2 on Ubuntu
[15:39] <sebsebseb> rye: What with the kitty?
[15:39] <Dr_Willis> I have no issues with gdm2.  i rarely see it other then when i login so its not a big deal
[15:41] <Dr_Willis> Hmm the KDE battery monitor has  powersaveing modes.. its on 'Xtreme Powersave' - how nice and Leet Speaking of them
[15:43] <sebsebseb> rye: Right no kitty after that GDM update for my vm, didn't think I would get one on the GDM, I guess in a way would of been kind of funny if I did get it though.
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> They need to sell Ubuntu-preinstalled flash drives shaped like the mascots/animals for each release. :)
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> Then we can collect them all! :)
[15:45] <solidLiq> gah, I just had a random lockup
[15:46] <rye> sebsebseb, no, that was just gimped in, without much 'trimming' :)
[15:46] <Dr_Willis> heh
[15:46] <sebsebseb> rye: Thanks for that kitty image by the way, something else I can show my little brother,  he's still in the age range, where most boys won't like pink, and probably not purple much either.
[15:46] <Dr_Willis> laptop just auto-suspended/hibernated when battery got low. :) that works
[15:46] <genii> Dr_Willis: I like the animal-shaped flash drive idea. Did you post it on brainstorm yet?
[15:46] <Dr_Willis>  power led is flashing.. thats.. suspend? or is that hibernate?
[15:47] <Dr_Willis> genii:  Nope. :) i just noticed i got a Pandabear and a Frog Flash drives here. :)  thougn it would be cute to have ones for each ubuntu release that way
[15:48] <tgpraveen12> i just updated and restarted and got the new panel icon for NM
[15:48] <tgpraveen12> not good.
[15:48] <Dr_Willis> found them on clearance for $5 each.   only 1gb and 2gb.. :) i use them for the wifes photos
[15:48] <tgpraveen12> its a up arrow and beside it a down arror
[15:48] <Dr_Willis> tgpraveen12:  i noticed that also
[15:49] <tgpraveen12> it doesnt really symbolize connected. more like some download/upload taking place.
[15:49] <solid_liquid> Dr_Willis, the ones you don't want other people to see? ;)
[15:49] <tgpraveen12> maybe that icon is good for something like transmission but not for NM
[15:49] <Dr_Willis> Nope. kjust ones from her camera she takes to the local phto  place to get some prints..
[15:50] <solid_liquid> heh
[15:50] <Dr_Willis> Cheaper to get them to print things then use our own printer
[15:50] <solid_liquid> I just upload them to walgreens.com then pick them up when they're ready
[15:51] <Dr_Willis> Thats a neat trick. We tend to go to CVS i think
[15:51] <solid_liquid> Walgreens does much better prints
[15:51] <solid_liquid> they're the highest rated for print quality outside of mailorder (and they're almost dead even with the best two of those)
[15:52] <Dr_Willis> better 3x5 prints of badly made photos of the  grandkids doing silly things. :)
[15:52] <solid_liquid> heh
[15:52] <solid_liquid> I use a professional camera, so...
[15:52] <Dr_Willis> to go with the other 10+ shoebox's of pictures. Heh
[15:52] <Dr_Willis> that SOMEONE will then want to 'scan' to keep.. heh
[15:52] <solid_liquid> lol
[15:52] <solid_liquid> no kidding
[15:53] <Dr_Willis> even the 4 yr old grandson has a digital camera now.
[15:53] <solid_liquid> I usually only print 8x10's
[15:53] <solid_liquid> otherwise I'd rather just look at them on the computer
[15:53] <Dr_Willis> Xmas card prints is what the last batch was for.
[15:53] <Dr_Willis> Or on a coffee cup.. or a tee shirt..
[15:54] <solid_liquid> that's not a bad idea
[15:54] <solid_liquid> oh
[15:54] <solid_liquid> I saw they'll print mouse pads
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> They can do Blankets also :)
[15:54] <solid_liquid> that could be cool too
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> No idea how they do  the blankets
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> was going to get one for the wife for xmas. but its like $50
[15:54] <solid_liquid> ouch
[15:55] <solid_liquid> if I ever get a good enough picture, I'd like to get one of those large canvas prints
[15:55] <Dr_Willis> could just hang it on the wall. :)    but if i get one done of these 2 grandkids.. what if we have more.. :) that can start a costly trend
[15:55] <solid_liquid> yeah
[15:56] <sebsebseb> rye: That was a bit of fun I suppouse, showing him the screen in vm, and the kitty image afterwoulds.  Maybe the new GDM and default background will attract more female users to Ubuntu, they are quite girly after all.  Also that's a bit stupid having a default background similar to what Mac OS X has,  I read something before, or whatever, where Apple said or basically said that most users will change the default background.
[15:56] <Dr_Willis> yea seen those also.  Meijers had the stuff i think.
[15:56] <solid_liquid> heh
[15:56] <sebsebseb> solid_liquid: @ me?
[15:56] <solid_liquid> sebsebseb, yep
[15:56] <Dr_Willis> Apple will proberly try to sell 'new background images' throguh their iBackgrounds store...
[15:56] <sebsebseb> solid_liquid: :)
[15:57] <solid_liquid> lol
[15:57] <solid_liquid> not a bad scam...  99 cents a pop
[15:57] <Dr_Willis> solid_liquid:  they do it for cellPhones allredy :)
[15:57] <solid_liquid> I know
[15:57] <Dr_Willis> Such ripoffs
[15:57] <solid_liquid> sprint is worse
[15:58] <solid_liquid> on my new phone, I had to be very careful not to get data fees
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> sucks when you get a New cellphone that cant use the same fileformats for ringtones as your old one
[15:58] <solid_liquid> everything is designed by default to use data when you don't have an unlimited data plan
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> I always turn off the internet access feature. :)
[15:58] <rye> sebsebseb, i am using the dark theme (Ambiance) - the Radiance theme is too bright for my eyes :)
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> that kills off like 1/2 the features.
[15:58] <solid_liquid> or when you can only pay for and download new ringtones from your provider
[15:58] <solid_liquid> heh, this one doesn't have an option to turn off the internet access features
[15:59] <solid_liquid> you just have to be careful to not use it
[15:59] <solid_liquid> and it's more like 3/4 of the features on this new phone
[15:59] <Dr_Willis> Wifes phone can record your conversation. and use that for a ring tone . so her tone is the grandsone saying 'Grandma im calling you... hello?....'
[15:59] <sebsebseb> rye: Maybe it would of been a bit more fun showing him already if I hadn't told him about it already, oh well.
[15:59] <solid_liquid> heh
[15:59] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu 10.10 Hello Kitty
[15:59] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:59] <solid_liquid> lol
[16:00] <Dr_Willis> Imagine how big it would go over in Japan! ;0
[16:00] <Dr_Willis> I did see a hello Kitty pc case and laptop once.
[16:00] <solid_liquid> hahah
[16:00] <Dr_Willis> saw a penguin case once also. ages ago
[16:00] <sebsebseb> rye: The black theme is well  black theme, so I am not that keen, and the light theme looks odd, when for example the top of Firefox is showing or something else like that is open.
[16:01] <solid_liquid> they need to tweak this new theme
[16:01] <sebsebseb> rye: Human or Clearlooks,  but I think I read that they might be getting rid of Human, also to be clear that's the old Human,  with the Gnome icons.
[16:01] <Dr_Willis> I always seem to isntall/use the same themes i always use for the last few years.. on every new release.
[16:01] <solid_liquid> but, I think it looks nice despite the lack of polish
[16:01] <Dr_Willis> I get sick of 'new improved theme.. tha will be totally tossed out in 6mo  for the next release'   blog/ubuntu news posts. :)
[16:01] <sebsebseb> rye: i'll get it showing the Gnome icons, instead of using the newer Ubuntu icons
[16:01] <solid_liquid> they should setup an easy installer for that set of packages that makes your desktop look almost exactly like OS X
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> solid_liquid:  ick. :) ive had to help several people UNDO that 'os-x wannabe stuff' befor
[16:02] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: default backgrounds have been a joke starting with 9.04
[16:02] <solid_liquid> I don't spend enough time tweaking the appearance anymore
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> solid_liquid:  i recall a script that does it also
[16:02] <solid_liquid> heh
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> Default background = nice solid color.. of a nice neutral color...
[16:02] <solid_liquid> I haven't used that stuff since like 7.10
[16:03] <solid_liquid> I like the space wallpapers that rotate periodically
[16:03] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: 8.10 had a great background, 8.04 not that bad, then there was that tree background  in earlier release and so on.
[16:03] <Dr_Willis> I want window 'handles' wher i can see them.. and the close button a diffent color so i can find it easier.. and  nice CLEAR buttons. :)
[16:03] <solid_liquid> my wallpaper right now is that beautiful picture of Earth that's dramatically sharp and clear
[16:03] <marienz> hey, I didn't notice that ambiance theme yet, I'll try that for a bit.
[16:03] <solid_liquid> yeah, I like color coded buttons a lot
[16:03] <Dr_Willis> I alwyas full screen everything.. so i rarely see my papers
[16:04] <solid_liquid> and grab handles
[16:04] <solid_liquid> I use transparency in my irc client and in my terminal
[16:04] <Dr_Willis> i also want the sroll bar . nice and obvious..  dont need a grey on grey on lighter grey
[16:04] <solid_liquid> yeah, I like the blue slider on gray from the mac theme
[16:04] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: they could of done a nice Luicd Lynx default background similar to the one in 8.10, but no.  Instead we get this purply pink thing.   Also if I remember correctly jono  told me there as an art compettiion for the default background,  so what happended to that, in that case?  Purply pink background is the winner out of loads of backgrounds?  That does not make sense.
[16:05] <Dr_Willis> I think im using  the Mythbuntu theme right now
[16:05] <marienz> you're right, not a lot of contrast between the scrollbar "thumb" and background in ambiance
[16:05] <solid_liquid> I just turned on "Radiance"
[16:05] <solid_liquid> doesn't look too bad
[16:06] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/almost-official-ubuntu-1004-lucid-will.html
[16:06] <sebsebseb> solid_liquid: well I guess it's better than the other default theme really, even though I prefer lighter themes
[16:06] <Dr_Willis> Almost Official: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Will Have The Window Buttons On The LEFT!
[16:06] <solid_liquid> I usually like darker themes
[16:06] <Dr_Willis> I have to ask my self.. why do they bother?
[16:06] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: No I think it's been changed to the right, where it's meant to be :)
[16:07] <Dr_Willis> Years and Years of 'gui research' and stuff (or so i hear claimed) and  so much focus on trying to keep things 'fresh' ? fresh? You just did research to see what worked best...
[16:07] <solid_liquid> yeah, that doesn't make sense
[16:07] <solid_liquid> that's like trying to target people to switch from mac
[16:07] <solid_liquid> but the windows crowd is the one to get people from
[16:07] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: Also they have an actsaul  GUI design team now or something, but yet  we just end up with a purpley pink,  background as default and for GDM,  what the?
[16:07] <DanaG> hmm, interesting thing:
[16:07] <DanaG> so they officially ARE on the left, but the order is STILL WRONG!
[16:08] <solid_liquid> they're the ones running the horribly buggy and unstable OS
[16:08] <DanaG> solid_liquid: ironically, my mom's imac has been far less stable than my win7 has ever been.  =þ
[16:08] <solid_liquid> actually, I don't mind the new look so much
[16:08] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: As well as two new themes, that suck big time really.
[16:08] <solid_liquid> DanaG, hmm
[16:08] <DanaG> Here's how OS X does it:
[16:08] <kulight> my buttons are on the right
[16:08] <DanaG> Close, min, "make bigger" (I think).
[16:08] <Dr_Willis> trying to isntall the light-themes package on 9.04 and get  Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: ubuntu-mono
[16:08] <DanaG> yeah, it's not really a "maximize".
[16:08] <Dr_Willis> :)
[16:08] <solid_liquid> DanaG, well, win7 is new, give it a chance ;)
[16:08] <DanaG> Here, we have max, min, close.
[16:09]  * mbeierl was always confused by "make bigger"
[16:09] <DanaG> So  it's wrong even for the left side!
[16:10] <kulight> the light theme is a bit to bright for me but its ok in general
[16:10] <Dr_Willis> We need a Hello Kitty theme
[16:10] <red> how long should it take to begin the install from the dvd?
[16:10] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: Did you miss the link or?
[16:10] <solid_liquid> I'm gonna try switching into kde in this
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> I imagine the button orders wont change. because most of us allredy have  the gconf settings to set the buttons on the other side.
[16:11] <red> had the splash screen for some minutes now, and the red dots are not moving
[16:11] <Dr_Willis>  sebsebseb  i mean a real one :)
[16:11] <Technoviking> Anyone know what package has the rhythmbox panel indictor?
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> with icons! and stuff
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> Just think if they default to buttons on the left.. that will goof up so many other themes.. that put them on the right...
[16:12] <sebsebseb> red: I don't have the new boot up in my vm.  I  installed alpha 3 got the updates, and then the theme updates and that as well, still no new boot up screen.  I am thinking install a daily build and then I probably will have it.
[16:12] <Dr_Willis> then in the next release.. they will proberly goback to the right side
[16:12] <Dr_Willis> I noticed a new bootup screen  today
[16:12] <Dr_Willis> barely noticed.. it flashs up/down so fast...
[16:13] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: I guess eventaully a lot of these Cannoical/Ubuntu changes won't be that relivant anymore, beause Gnome 3 will be the default and change things quite a bit as a result?
[16:13] <tgpraveen12> hey the window actions menu button is now no more. i mean the nipple type thing which gave list of actions like min,max etx right?
[16:13] <red> well the update fucked up my install
[16:13] <red> so i downloaded and thought id install from dvd
[16:13] <Dr_Willis> sebsebseb:  yep.   Hanny Manny!'  or. 'Pink with lilac..'  who cares.. :)
[16:13] <red> but its just stuck before any menus after selecting install
[16:14] <sebsebseb> !language | red
[16:14] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: Hanny Manny?
[16:14] <red> just the purple bg with splash screen
[16:14]  * DanaG doesn't even get a Plymouth splash.
[16:14] <sebsebseb> red: yes when in development getting the updates, won't always give us what we are meant to have.
[16:14] <sebsebseb> DanaG: I don't have the new Plymouth splash either in my vm.
[16:14] <red> i understand, hence fresh install
[16:14] <DanaG> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=460565
[16:14] <Dr_Willis> testing the radience theme here on 9.04 :) buttons look like.. poo. :)
[16:15] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: on the subject of poo, that's how I would describe the default backgrounds in 9.04 :D
[16:15] <DanaG> er, not the same bug.
[16:15] <sebsebseb> DanaG: 9.04 poo backgrounds
[16:15] <Dr_Willis> sebsebseb:  use a ranom changer and point it to your Porn dir. :)
[16:16] <sebsebseb> DanaG: whoops that was meant to be to Dr_Willis
[16:16] <red> guess ill boot my win7 and download karmic .iso
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> poo is the default color! :)
[16:16] <solid_liquid> what a shame
[16:16] <solid_liquid> I'm on KDE now
[16:17] <sebsebseb> solid_liquid: Not happy with the 10.04 Gnome changes, so on KDE?
[16:17] <solid_liquid> first time running KDE4 (I used KDE3 for a long time) and I see now that they screwed everything up
[16:17] <DanaG> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239
[16:17] <solid_liquid> no, I'll go back to KDE
[16:17] <solid_liquid> er
[16:17] <solid_liquid> gnome
[16:17] <solid_liquid> KDE4 looks/works too much like winxp
[16:17] <DanaG> so as it is right now, I don't even get a splash screen.
[16:17] <solid_liquid> too much bs, too many hoops to jump through just to connect wirelessly, stupid layout
[16:17] <sebsebseb> solid_liquid: indeed KDE looks more like Windows by default, but then it's still geek to customize
[16:18] <solid_liquid> hmm
[16:18] <solid_liquid> maybe I'll try customizing it
[16:18] <DanaG> I tried kde4, and yeah, the networkmanager thingy sucks.
[16:18] <DanaG> Doesn't show any networks.
[16:18] <DanaG> Ever.
[16:18] <solid_liquid> DanaG, it does actually
[16:18] <solid_liquid> DanaG, you have to dig in
[16:18]  * alex_mayorga is very happy Ubuntu is now "purpleish"
[16:18] <red> darn, wonder how they managed to break the installer
[16:19] <solid_liquid> DanaG, you have to bring up a dialog window, then hit edit to bring a second dialog window up, then hit scan to finally see a window that shows the available AP's
[16:19] <DanaG> I didn't even get that.
[16:19] <DanaG> All I saw was NO ui, and just an "add a network: thingy.
[16:19] <sebsebseb> alex_mayorga: I know someone online,  and she will probably be quite happy with that,  since purple is her favourite colour
[16:19] <solid_liquid> that final window looks nice (it shows them in a graph by distance), but the process required to get there is totally stupid
[16:19] <DanaG> ... as if all SSIDs were hidden.
[16:19] <DanaG> solid_liquid: is there a bug report on that?
[16:19] <solid_liquid> yeah, "Add a network" is what you have to click
[16:19] <alex_mayorga> sebsebseb: it's mine too :)
[16:19] <bjsnider> the latest nvidia blob in windows was frying some graphics chips hhahaaaa
[16:20] <solid_liquid> DanaG, is the KDE design, not a bug
[16:20] <Dr_Willis> They should do a 'rainbow' theme.. that just lets you pick your fave color from a rainbow 'dialog'  :)
[16:20] <red> is there anyway to hide the splash to see where the boot hangs up?
[16:20] <DanaG> bjsnider: link?
[16:20] <Dr_Willis> or have it ask you like 10 questions about your personality and set up a persnlized theme based on the answers
[16:20] <alex_mayorga> but I think I have a minor bug, the color for the "hide all windows" button should now be purple too, right?
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> well its late here. Good night all.
[16:21] <bjsnider> http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/nvidia-pulls-196-75-driver-amid-reports-its-frying-graphics-car/
[16:22] <sebsebseb> alex_mayorga: (if I remember correctly it's purple)  she's still on 8.10, since I suggested staying with that for now.  However that will run out of support soon, so yeah 10.04,  plus that's got social features, and she liikes Facebook.
[16:23] <alex_mayorga> sebsebseb: yeah gwibber doesn't crash anymor e:)
[16:23] <DanaG> wow, that is nvidia fail.
[16:23] <DanaG> I mean, shouldn't that be done in FIRMWARE?
[16:25] <sebsebseb> alex_mayorga: ok :)
[16:25] <rye> I feed disabled - Minimize is now the second button, not maximize :)
[16:25] <DanaG> Anyway, buttons on the left... fine... but buttons in the wrong order? fail.
[16:25] <blerk> how comne my buttons are on the right? :/
[16:25] <alex_mayorga> sebsebseb: do you think the brown background on show desktop is a bug? should it be filed against the theme?
[16:26] <blerk> max/min/close
[16:26] <sebsebseb> alex_mayorga: something is missing maybe from that new GDM though,  and rye would agree, they  gave me the link originalley here not that long ago before you joined.  http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/45399/hello_kitty_3Jckg6.png
[16:26] <rye> blerk, you have buttons on the right???
[16:26] <rye> blerk, I have them in wrong order on ... ah, on the right..
[16:26] <rye> right...
[16:27] <blerk> rye: yeah, installed todays livecd iso, they're on the right for sure
[16:27] <Technoviking> crap, mini/max windows controls switched to the left side
[16:27] <alex_mayorga> sebsebseb: and Firefox theming would need some polish too IMHO
[16:27] <sebsebseb> rye: shame with new GDM  2 it's not like the old one, easilly to theme, but if it was having a kitty background optionalley would be something in a way, don't you agree?
[16:28] <sebsebseb> alex_mayorga: yeah Firefox and other apps like that, looked not that nice with the two new themes
[16:28] <alex_mayorga> sebsebseb: I don't think the "orangeish" progress bars match all that well
[16:28] <rye> sebsebseb, I will hope that it will stay dark on my host system...
[16:28] <DanaG> I also don't like the way the "progress bar" on the login thingy misleads.
[16:28] <sebsebseb> rye: it won't
[16:28] <sebsebseb> rye: this is the new theme, like it or not
[16:28] <DanaG> It goes from 0% to 100% over and over again... instead of "bouncing".
[16:28] <DanaG> Looks like a total lie.
[16:29] <DanaG> So, apparently my desktop is now 1000% loaded.
[16:29] <sebsebseb> rye: well it might stay dark if loads of people complain about the new one, but otherwise,  probably not
[16:29] <DanaG> (since it's gone from 0 to 100 ten times).
[16:29] <blerk> rye: the light themes have both a dark and whitish theme
[16:29] <blerk> i dont see the problem :P
[16:30] <sebsebseb> blerk: he meant GDM the log in screen
[16:30] <rye> blerk, yes, I know that, the point is how I can switch the theme on gdm to "dark light" :) w/o reverting to g-conf...
[16:30] <blerk> oh sorry, set it to auto login? ;)
[16:30] <sebsebseb> rye: their are two programs out there that can do that, I think
[16:31] <blerk> hrm another update to light-themes and wallpapers... i wonder what's new
[16:31] <rye> DanaG, are you talking about the login thingy with the new Plymouth theme with ubuntu?... Or there is a progress bar somewhere else?
[16:32] <blerk> i think he means the windows xp style bouncing bar, and he wants the windows 2000 style progress bar
[16:32] <Technoviking>  if you setup a picture for yourself, is it supposed to show up in the MeMenu?
[16:32] <tgpraveen12> Technoviking: known bug
[16:32] <rye> blerk, argh... I believe I need to freeze my install today and start getting fresh feelings only tomorrow, because we are now trying to hit the moving target :)
[16:32] <tgpraveen12> it is supposed to. but currently not working
[16:33] <Technoviking> tgpraveen12: thanks
[16:33] <blerk> rye: that is the fun of bleeding edge isn't it :p
[16:33] <DanaG> rye: Just talking about Plymouth.
[16:33] <rye> DanaG, ah, the o o o o thing ?
[16:33] <DanaG> yeah, it goes
[16:33] <DanaG> o
[16:33] <DanaG> oo
[16:33] <DanaG> ooo
[16:33] <DanaG> oooo
[16:33] <DanaG> over and over.
[16:34] <DanaG> so you think it's done -- oh wait, no, it went back to zero.
[16:34] <DanaG> The old way was to have an actually BOUNCING thingy.
[16:34] <rye> DanaG, I believe it is tweaked for 10s boot... :-D
[16:34] <blerk> it's like a kit light now, and you want it to be a proper progress indicator
[16:34]  * blerk hums the knight rider tune
[16:34] <DanaG> No, I don't need that
[16:34] <DanaG> It's not like a kitt light at all.
[16:35] <DanaG> It's like a lying progress bar that says "I'm done" over and over.
[16:35] <DanaG> A bouncing thing would be like the XP one or the old one (back in the ubuntulooks days) on the LiveCD.
[16:35] <blerk> the result is the same; you have no idea if its done or not as it keeps starting over
[16:36] <DanaG> It's still different, though.
[16:36] <DanaG> A lying progress bar gives you the expectation that 100% should mean it's done.
[16:36] <DanaG> A bouncing one doesn't give that expectation.
[16:36] <blerk> maybe its not meant as a progress bar, but as an activity indicator
[16:36] <DanaG> Anyway, compare it to the way the XP or Vista loading thingy works.
[16:37] <DanaG> It doesn't look like it's supposed to indicate progress.
[16:37] <blerk> i dont see it as dot 1 = 10%, dot 2 is 30%, dot 4 is 60%, etc
[16:37] <blerk> yeah
[16:38] <blerk> i think crunchbang has a proper progress bar during bootup
[16:38] <blerk> but i have no idea what they use :/
[16:38] <blerk> it is based on ubuntu though
[16:38] <rye> blerk, I believe we might want to wait until artwork settles
[16:39] <rye> we all might remember the crazy jumping gdm login animation that was later replaced.... with something actually nice.
[16:39] <alex_mayorga> I concur with the Hanna Montana Linux sentiment, though I guess some form of "hey! look this is the new theme, do you want it?" should be really cool and polite to users
[16:40] <rye> in karmic
[16:40] <blerk> this new looks will certainly make some of my mates try ubuntu again, they cant be fussed with customising every titbit, and the brown was really putting most of them off
[16:41] <DanaG> solid_liquid: oh yeah, speaking of ringtones (yeah, way backlog), check out bitpim.
[16:43] <DanaG> oh yeah, on the ubuntu-artwork mailing list, what's considered correct etiquette? top-post, or bottom-post?
[16:43] <blerk> i noticed the bcm443 fwcutter was no longer listed in the hardware manager thing, i had to install it by hand to get my wireless to work
[16:43] <blerk> b43-fwcutter*
[16:44] <sebsebseb> alex_mayorga: What's that about Hannah Montana?  The new GDM theme and  default background does remind me a bit of that Hannah Montana OS based on Kubuntu.
[16:44]  * DanaG doesn't know who Hannah Montana is... and is perhaps glad of that.
[16:44] <DanaG> =þ
[16:44] <blerk> who is hannah montana? linus's sister?
[16:44] <DanaG> Some teen pop star?
[16:44] <blerk> DanaG: same :p
[16:44] <sebsebseb> blerk: your joking or?
[16:45] <sebsebseb> Hannah Montana is some Disney thing or whatever
[16:45] <sebsebseb> yeah Disney
[16:45] <blerk> and she has her own distro?
[16:45] <sebsebseb> blerk: yeah
[16:45] <blerk> dang
[16:45] <sebsebseb> blerk: altough maybe it's not offical
[16:45] <h00k> and the buttons are on the left side.
[16:45] <sebsebseb> well yeah probably not offical
[16:46] <sebsebseb> that's last years news,  Hannah Montana OS based on Kubuntu
[16:46] <blerk> i cant wait for metallica's own distro with content and p&p filters
[16:46] <h00k> Lucid's controls are on the left side now
[16:46] <sebsebseb> h00k: trying to make things look like OS X isn't really a good thing
[16:47] <blerk> h00k: why arent mine on the left then, i run pretty much as default as can be
[16:47] <h00k> blerk: I just got the update and logged out/back in
[16:47] <h00k> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/<IP_ADDRESS>/+changelog
[16:47] <blerk> ohh, i also got that update
[16:47] <blerk> didnt logout/in though
[16:47] <blerk> will do now
[16:48] <blerk> oh balls... it is on the left now :p
[16:48] <blerk> meh
[16:48] <red> I found out a way to stop getting the never-ending loop of "Starting File Manager" -> crash "Starting File Manager"
[16:48] <red> gconf-editor -> and untick manage desktop for nautilus in it's preferences
[16:49] <red> nautilus itself works fine, but no icons on the desktop now naturally
[16:49] <red> any ideas what could be wrong?
[16:50] <alex_mayorga> http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net
[16:50] <blerk> guess no matter where the buttons are placed, the left = osx, the right is windows... in the middle = crap.. i think i prefer them on the right, or if on the left atleast in the right order; close/min/max
[16:50] <sebsebseb> alex_mayorga: yep
[16:50] <DanaG> What OS X has:    close, minimize, maximize : menu
[16:50] <DanaG> What we have:     maximize, minimize, close : menu
[16:50] <DanaG> What Windows has: menu : minimize, maximize, close
[16:50] <blerk> i expect the close button to be in the corner
[16:50] <blerk> either left or right
[16:51] <alex_mayorga> probably asked a thousand times already, how do you go back to human?
[16:51] <sebsebseb> alex_mayorga: oh it's been removed?
[16:51] <sebsebseb> I am getting a daily build
[16:51] <sebsebseb> I am sick of not having what I am meant to have
[16:51] <sebsebseb> I installed alpha 3 into vm yesterday, and got all the updates, but yep not got  everything I am meant to have
[16:52] <sebsebseb> alex_mayorga: I think I read that human might get removed, I hope not
[16:52] <blerk> DanaG: anyway we can re-arrange those buttons? i'd like to have them the osx way, with close first
[16:52] <DanaG> gconf-editor.  apps/metacity/general/
[16:52] <DanaG> something like "button_order"
[16:53] <blerk> ah yeah, button layout
[16:54] <blerk> thanks
[16:54] <blerk> done, instant change, perfect
[16:54] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: why hasn't been turned into a system >preference somewhere is beyond me, where does one campaign for it?
[16:57] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/GDM-Screenshot.png
[16:57] <DanaG> heh, here's my gdm on my netbook.
[16:57] <DanaG> Spacing fail.
[16:58] <blerk> surely wont miss that brown thing
[17:00] <DanaG> When done well, brown can be nice.  The problem is, it hasn't been done well.
[17:00] <DanaG> The same can be true of every other color, though.
[17:01] <blerk> thats true, tbh i always replaced the brown themes with blubuntu themes
[17:01] <red> any of you guys have gnome-terminals background purple? :
[17:01] <Crashbit> red: yes
[17:02] <rye> red, after a while?
[17:02] <Crashbit> red: I use nouveau driver
[17:02] <blerk> red: yes and a bit transparent too
[17:02] <red> can't seem to change it
[17:02] <blerk> it takes it from the background image?
[17:02] <blerk> ah no
[17:02] <red> i have a black/blue background image
[17:03] <red> so shouldnt be that
[17:03] <tgpraveen12> dont know when this changed but nautilius now has tabs at the top again
[17:03] <tgpraveen12> woot!
[17:03] <blerk> red: yeah, also doesnt seem to be in the terminal profiles
[17:03] <markl_> i like the new purple
[17:03] <red> only thing  I can do is set to full transparent
[17:03] <rye> tgpraveen12, wooow
[17:03] <red> or download another terminal app I guess
[17:03] <red> stupid since it's an overlay on the terminal and not a background
[17:03] <red> so all the colors get a purple tint aswell
[17:03] <blerk> red: the colour must be defined somewhere for the terminal window
[17:04] <Sa[i]nT> Is lynx on an iso anywhere yet?
[17:04] <red> couldn't find in terminal profile / appearance
[17:04] <DanaG> Yeah, mine's purple even on Human theme.
[17:04] <mrmcq2u> How do I get rid of the annoying disk warning from gnome panel?
[17:04] <rye> red, I had it on vm, though - the white background turned pink after some time of terminal usage, does not happen on the host system though
[17:05] <red> hmm
[17:05] <red> my install is a bit fubared upgrade form karmic
[17:05] <red> couldnt get a fresh install cd to work either (got stuck after first menu to pick install/boot/etc)
[17:06] <red> now its working otherwise but purple is driving me nuts and nautilus managing desktop isn't working
[17:07] <red> wow
[17:07] <red> found it
[17:09] <Crashbit> red: ?
[17:09] <red> it was a new forced profile for terminal
[17:09] <red> named ambience
[17:09] <red> and the purple was so dark in the preference that I overlooked it as black
[17:10] <red> switched back to my old default configuration
[17:14] <Andy80> hi guys. I've just installed Ubuntu 10.4 alpha on my notebook and the notebook looks like totally fucked up O_o I'm trying to reboot it but after the BIOS logos I only get a black screen, then he reboots again.... any idea?
[17:14] <sebsebseb> !language | Andy80
[17:15] <red> using a bot to say about language seems kinda elitistic
[17:15] <sebsebseb> Andy80: maybe get the daily build
[17:15] <blerk> lol
[17:15] <Andy80> .....
[17:15] <red> kinda like saying "talk to the hand" ;)
[17:15] <Andy80> red: I agree with you...
[17:15] <blerk> are there any tools to calibrate my laptop battery within ubuntu?
[17:16] <sebsebseb> Andy80: if you upgrade from alpha 3,  might not get the new stuff.   Anyway if you got a boot up issue on the netbook, this doesn't even matter.
[17:16] <Andy80> sebsebseb: there's not way to boot the notebook again. It lock during BIOS loading
[17:16] <sebsebseb> Andy80: oh hardware issue?
[17:16] <Andy80> sebsebseb: I didn't upgrade, I installed it from scratch in a different partition
[17:17] <sebsebseb> Andy80: yes I meant if you install from scratch using the alpha 3 ISO
[17:17] <Andy80> sebsebseb: hardware issue, ok... right after ubuntu installation? the 9.04 was working fine until 30 minutes ago
[17:17] <sebsebseb> Andy80: ok
[17:18] <Andy80> sebsebseb: it doesn't let me enter in the bios too :\
[17:18] <red> Andy80: which netbook
[17:19] <red> if it's asus eeepc, the power button doesn't quite work as a powerbutton with a single push
[17:19] <red> had a similar problem
[17:19] <red> had to hit ctrl-alt-del and before the screen is fully initialized (like 0-5sec-1sec after ctrl-alt-del) hold the powerbutton down
[17:19] <red> then after 2 seconds it should shut down fully
[17:19] <Andy80> red: it's an Acer aspire 5930G
[17:20] <red> then when you power it up you get a fresh boot again
[17:20] <sebsebseb> Andy80: red or someone can help you I guess,  I am not really the correct person.  I don't even have a net book :D
[17:20] <red> mkay, well give that a go, might be the same
[17:20] <Andy80> red: I try to remove battery and start it only with power
[17:20] <red> that's another cruder way :)
[17:20] <Andy80> it's a NOTEbook, not a NETbook :)
[17:21] <red> SSDD :)
[17:21] <Andy80> now I'm trying without battery
[17:21] <Andy80> let's see...
[17:22] <Andy80> red: it's booting up normally -.-
[17:22] <leftyfb> How do I put my close/max/min buttons back to the right where they belong?
[17:22] <red> as in not working
[17:22] <Andy80> red: I think something happened after the Ubuntu installation... something remained in memory and only removing battery it was able to unload all the memory...
[17:23] <red> Get:14 http://ftp.estpak.ee lucid/restricted nvidia-current 195.36.08-0ubuntu1 [23.3MB] --> can't see the newest drivers in hardware
[17:23] <red> Andy80: could be, good that it's working then :=
[17:23] <DanaG> random: http://hpfansite.com/images/2010/03/hp-mini-210-vt.jpg
[17:23] <DanaG> spiffy.
[17:24] <Andy80> red: now I finish booting up, I shutdown again and I try putting the battery on it
[17:25] <Andy80> fixed this not expected problem...I'll have a couple of questions for you all, since I'm going to test Lucid :)
[17:33] <Andy80> ok.. first question is: installing Ubuntu 10.4 on a secondary partition I did choose not to install grub, because I'd like to use the grub installation I've on MBR (/dev/sda). What do I have to add to menu.lst to make it able to boot Lucid?
[17:36] <Andy80> I did want to install GRUB on /dev/sda5 (the Lucid root partition) but when I selected it in the installation menu, /dev/sda was selected instead.. don't know if this is a bug of the installer or if it's impossible to install GRUB on places other than a MBR.
[17:37] <YaManicKill> anyone having problems with gnome-do?
[17:38] <virtuald> where is syndaemon started? i searched through /etc/, /lib/ and ~ but found nothing
[17:46] <Andy80> maybe are all sleeping
[17:48] <Volkodav> why did they change the close minimize buttons to the left like in MAc ?
[17:48] <Volkodav> that's weird
[17:48] <Volkodav> or os it just me /\
[17:49] <sebsebseb> Volkodav: quite a lot of people aren't happy about that
[17:51] <Andy80> Volkodav: very good question :)
[17:51] <Andy80> me neither is happy and also other friends/colleagues of mine think the same
[17:52] <Volkodav> strange move
[17:52] <Andy80> I still have to find someone I know who likes it :P
[17:52] <Volkodav> heh
[17:52] <Andy80> Volkodav: it's not the only strange move they did
[17:52] <hifi> gnome screensaver unlock doesn't work
[17:52] <Andy80> Volkodav: please note that also window icon disappeared
[17:53] <Andy80> Volkodav: and they removed icons from Preferences/Administrator menu too and this time you have no way to enable them again
[17:53] <Volkodav> I still have icons n Preferences/Administrator
[17:54] <Andy80> I can understand that it's almost impossible to make all users tastes happy
[17:54] <Andy80> Volkodav: no.. I mean.. if you click on "System" menu... you have no icon in that main menu
[17:54] <Volkodav> yeah but move to the left is weird step to say the least
[17:54] <Volkodav> og right - no icibs true
[17:55] <Volkodav> icons *
[17:55] <Andy80> we can discuss about putting buttons on left or on right... this is a matter of tastes... but it's objectve the fact that icons really help human eye to find a function
[17:56] <Andy80> if you remove icons, symbols ecc.. you make the human eye work slower
[17:56] <Andy80> because it must reads all the text instead of just looking a symbol
[17:56] <sebsebseb> Andy80: Most of the icons removed from system menu, starting with Ubuntu 9.10 when it comes to Ubuntu, because of a silly upstream GNOME decision.
[17:57] <Andy80> sebsebseb: yes, I know it was a Gnome decision
[17:57] <sebsebseb> Andy80: those icons can be enabled again in gconf editor,  used to be able to it in system > preferences > apperance interface, but that's not in Lucid
[17:57] <Andy80> sebsebseb: but a distribution is not just "package-->make iso-->relase"
[17:57] <red> Volkodav: for me they are luckily still on the right
[17:57] <red> using the new wave theme :)
[17:57] <sebsebseb> Andy80: what do you mean?
[17:57] <red> might have something do do due i didnt fresh install
[17:58] <Andy80> sebsebseb: I mean that if Ubuntu developer team think that removing icons it's a stupid move, they should make their own branch and enable them again
[17:58] <Andy80> you can modify source code after all :)
[17:59] <sebsebseb> Andy80: also a lot of the recent Ubuntu changes, starting with 9.04 with the edited fast user account switcher on the top right, are junk really, but this is the distro that most newbies to Desktop Linux will go to first,  so even if I don't fully like it anymore,  I am going to help people with it here and there online.
[18:00] <sebsebseb> Andy80: that purplypink background is OS X like as well,  and reminds me a bit of that Hannah Montana OS  based on Kubuntu (already put this here earlier)
[18:00] <Volkodav> red - reboot and see if they move to the left
[18:00] <sebsebseb> Andy80: my daily build is nearly installed into vm now, but you make it sound like the icions for preferenes and administration,  have been removed from the system menu as well now?
[18:01] <Andy80> sebsebseb: that's the point. In particular because Ubuntu is 99% the first distro for new users, we could work to make it simple without having to tell them: "oh please open a shell, write gconf --modiy gfjdgfjas....", do you understand my point?
[18:01] <G_A_C> Hannah Montana OS? Is there anything Linux can't do...?
[18:01] <Andy80> sebsebseb: no no... they are present
[18:01] <Andy80> sebsebseb: I mean when you click on "System"
[18:02] <Andy80> sebsebseb: you have no icons before "Preferences" and "Administrator"
[18:02] <sebsebseb> Andy80: yeah all the icons are gone except those two, is that what you were complaining about?
[18:02] <Andy80> mayve I should test Lucid inside a virtual machine...
[18:02] <Andy80> maybe
[18:03] <Andy80> it would be easier to test some things....
[18:04] <Volkodav> the only comfortable people will be MAC users with this left move
[18:04] <sebsebseb> Andy80: Yeah I guess so, considering that development version upgrades won't always give people the features they are meant to have.
[18:04] <Volkodav> but they are definetely in minority
[18:04] <Andy80> I have an idea....
[18:05] <sebsebseb> Volkodav: maybe it's to prepare people a bit for Gnome 3,  there's something on the left there as well, when  I saw screen shots, hrm
[18:05] <sebsebseb> Volkodav: altough that's the panel, not the window title bars
[18:05] <Andy80> the graphical installer could simply ask: what did you use before this? Linux, OSX or Windows? and select the correct theme depending on the user's choice :)
[18:06] <yofel> Andy80: that would make it sound like we're imitating them...
[18:06] <Volkodav> makes sense though
[18:06] <ZykoticK9> Andy80, i don't remember what distro did that, but somewhere in the past i remember installing a distro that asked that very question
[18:07] <Andy80> yofel: I don't see it in that meaning... it would be just a way to make the user more comfortable
[18:07] <G_A_C> ugh, left hand window controls on the new default "dark" theme. Not a fan of that
[18:08] <Andy80> for example I've always used Windows or Linux with window buttons on the right... putting them on the left is something horrible for me...
[18:08] <sebsebseb> G_A_C: quite a lot of people have been complaining about the buttons on the left
[18:08] <G_A_C> yeah, it just threw me; I installed the new theme and switched to it earlier today, and they were on the right
[18:08] <G_A_C> however, they've switched after a reboot
[18:08] <sebsebseb> Andy80: yeah same here, I am used to having them on the right,  because that's how I done it Gnome, but that's also how I will do it in Windows if using that
[18:08] <yofel> Andy80: well, might be, but until they do the same I'm against it, Ubuntu is an OS, and not a copy/mix of others that are already out  there
[18:09] <yofel> but yes, it takes a bit getting used to
[18:09] <Andy80> the new theme colors are pretty nice, the only bad thing is removing icon from window title bar and moving buttons on the left... but it would'n be so hard to let the user customize this and provide a couple of themes for all tastes
[18:09] <G_A_C> the decision of order is bad IMO too; Windows is min/max/close on the right, Max is close/min/max on the left, Ubuntu is now max/min/close on the left making it particularly hard for people moving from either OS :(
[18:10] <G_A_C> s/Max is/Mac is/
[18:10] <sebsebseb> Andy80: (done it in Gnome, correcting a typeo here that doesn't really matter)   Even when I did an OS X  theme about  four years ago or something for Ubuntu,  I had the buttons on the right.  I think maybe I changed it from left to right then, I don't remember.
[18:11] <Andy80> imho the #1 rule is: give the user the possibility to change, don't just oblige him
[18:11] <G_A_C> you need Kubuntu then; from what I've seen the only choice you don't have in KDE is "run Gnome instead"...
[18:12] <yofel> Andy80: actually the ayatana team has the policy of giving a sane default for everybody but without too much customization possiblitie
[18:12] <Andy80> for example.... icons in System menu: I'm able to restore them simply going to System-->Preferences-->Appearence.... in Lucid you have to modify gconf... that's crazy :)
[18:12] <sebsebseb> Andy80: indeed it's annoying really that have to do it in gconf now, however that's also upstream Gnome's fault
[18:13] <yofel> Andy80: huh? when was the appearence menu removed? (I'm using KDE right now) and did the desktop->right click->settings vanish too?
[18:13] <Andy80> I'm pretty sure that is Ubuntu won't ship something to let the user change it, the second day Lucid is out will be also available a new theme with buttons on the right and it will be the most downloaded :D
[18:13] <Andy80> wanna bet ;) ?
[18:14] <Andy80> yofel: nooo no menu removed, just that options is not there anymore
[18:14] <yofel> Andy80: ah, ok :)
[18:14] <Andy80> yofel: the "Interface" tab is removed in Lucid
[18:14] <hype__> hi , just wondering : are there any specific n*know issuez concerning boot on Luci today ? :p
[18:15] <hype__> sorry for typos
[18:15] <hype__> seems like plymouth breaks and i'am unable to reach grub :(
[18:15] <yofel> hype__: you were  the one with the black screen right?
[18:15] <hype__> nope
[18:15] <hype__> just conecting
[18:15] <hype__> +n
[18:15] <yofel> ah
[18:16] <hype__> just booted coming from work: no grub :(
[18:16] <yofel> unable to reach grub? plymouth only comes after grub...
[18:16] <ellar> hello, can i use the session-applet together with empathy? there is one edit field but if I set text and press enter the text just disappears?!
[18:16] <hype__> plymouth ouytputs an error concerning mounting one of my partitions, then nothing (n o grub loading, no tty...)
[18:16] <hype__> ah?
[18:17] <hype__> i tried to press "shift" key to get grub during boot , but i didnt see grub :/
[18:17] <yofel> hype__: grub is responsible for loading your kernel and getting your system to boot, after that plymouth and init take over, if you don't see grub at all that's rather bad
[18:17] <hype__> the thing is i cant event get to a tty
[18:18] <hype__> yeah, true