[11:49] <flocculant> slickymasterWork knome : next lot of test fiddles are up if you get a chance
[11:49] <slickymasterWork> I saw the mail, will do those after lunch
[11:49] <flocculant> ty ty :)
[11:50] <flocculant> pretty simple except addition of xfpanel switch
[13:20] <teward|live> when ISO testing was done for the Wily images, is there a reason an installer disk used as the upgrade medium would replace a non-EFI setup with an EFI setup?
[13:20] <teward|live> asking because i saw someone say it happened, while perusing askubuntu
[13:20] <teward|live> or rather, had anyone run into this
[15:31] <balloons> teward, that sounds interesting, but I have heard of it before Ithink
[15:32] <teward> balloons: i thought someone might, know the cause?
[15:32] <teward> or the relevant bug?
[15:32] <teward> (or why it's still existing)
[15:32] <balloons> from what I remember, it's intentional, but I could be wrong
[15:32] <balloons> I believe colin would know.. that's what I seem to remember from last time
[15:32] <teward> balloons: well, from what I saw on Ask Ubuntu, it breaks Grub setup, and can cause a lot of hellish headaches such as needing to do a complete reinstall
[15:33] <teward> (in EFI mode no less)
[15:34] <flocculant> I've not seen anything like that mentioned - would have taken notice of that
[16:11] <slickymasterWork> flocculant, all done
[16:19] <teward> balloons: flocculant: I'm trying to grab reproduction steps to see if I can't replicate it on this one machine and a clean drive I don't mind nuking (the old hard drive I just moved my actual stuff off of xD)
[16:19] <teward> since this laptop here is BIOS and EFI ready, well... :P
[16:19] <teward> if I can get reproduction steps and can reproduce i'll share for the issue i mentioned earlier
[16:23] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: cheers :)
[16:35] <slickymasterWork> np flocculant


 I'll send the Lubuntu 17.04 EOL announcement a bit later, I have some family stuff I have to go to, but you can assume that it's EOL now 😉
 If anyone wants to get a head start on things, I'll likely end up creating something very similar to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ArtfulUpgrades/Kubuntu
 Something might already exist, and links to that would be welcome, but for now, that's what we have to work with 😉
 @VikingRedwolf If you feel inclined to create a beautiful page on Lubuntu.me or the wiki for it, that would be great
 Otherwise like I said I'll hack up something :D
 hack it!
 hehe
 One thing that might be cool if @VikingRedwolf or @MichaelTun or whoever else wants to work on it for the future is an 18.04 marketing brochure or sheet or something that someone can print out and hand to someone
 I could totally hack up something, but again, it's not my specialty, and will likely turn out to be subpar 😉
[17:07] <wxl> YES
 Yes to it not turning out well or yes to the idea, wxl? 😆
[17:08] <wxl> bothj
 hahahahahahaha
 Fair
 Hi. I installed the lxde Lubuntu18.04 on my laptop. Will it be something different from the 17.10? Or you are working more in the Lubuntu Next realese?
[17:09] <wxl> every version is something different
 @Jyoti, It shouldn't be *too* different, especially given that the Launchpad builders have been delayed a lot recently, stalling progress. So nothing notable right now, but there could be something we just haven't noticed. 😉
 Right
 Yes, but how big will be the differences betwen the regular Lubuntu versions, 17.10 and 18.04, once you are working also on the Lubuntu Next release?
 Same as the last couple of releases, very slow 😉
 New versions of things will come downstream from Debian, though
 Jyoti as a user you won't notice a big difference in your desktop
 Right.
 And I think that it's something to go on the marketing thing, for sure.
 I think that is not very beautiful keep the entry "about the Lxqt" in the main menu of the LubuntuNext. Ok, the devs must have the credits and is ok to have this information somewere. But why right as a main entrance in the main menu?...
 Hm, I never thought about that before
 agreed. but that might be replaced by a simple "about"
 I'll have a think on it, because you're right, I don't remember any other DE doing this
 Looks strange
 It would be a simple change, but it would break translations 🤔
 Interesting thought, thanks for the suggestion!
 Thank you for your dedication and work
 thank YOU Jyoti :)
 ^
 I buyed and use also the ubports im my bq m10 and in my bq e5 :-) great job
 I buyed the phones :-)
 :D
 Glad to hear you're supporting our friends over at Ubuntu Touch/UBPorts :D
 @VikingRedwolf So the changes we're making, can we have an ETA for Alpha 2?
 Would that work?
 dunno, but I think so
 It's possible, depending on the speed of things :D
 damn right
 I do what I can
 :(
 why is he no there?
 Huh?
 agaida
[18:07] <agaida> what should be done?
 agaida, plz, tell me if this is complicated: http://phab.lubuntu.me/T16
 I'd need a dialog with those values (variables) on it
 Simon is going to do it, but I need a third opinion
[18:19] <agaida> should not be that complicated - hmm, the logo part
 what with the logo part?
 I can haz a bitmap
[18:20] <agaida> in the veriy best case one could use zenity or such a tool
 I thought that, but how do we get such values?
[18:20] <agaida> creative usage of neofetch or so?
 O.o
 hmm hard
 it cannot save values into variables to be processed in a batch
[18:22] <agaida> the major *beep* of it is - all informations are availabel somewhere
 right, and it would be lovely to have them all together
 like a "tamed" hardinfo
 for example, you can get CPU string with "mpstat -P ALL 2"
 hmmm... I'll play a bit
[18:24] <agaida> fork inxi a little bit?
[18:24] <agaida> System:    Host ramme Kernel 4.14.13-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 bits 64 Desktop LXQt
[18:24] <agaida>            Distro siduction 16.1.0 Patience - lxqt -<PHONE_NUMBER>13)
[18:24] <agaida> CPU:       Octa core AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core (-MCP-) cache 16384 KB
[18:24] <agaida>            clock speeds max 4000 MHz 1 1515 MHz 2 1514 MHz 3 1514 MHz 4 1515 MHz 5 1507 MHz 6 1517 MHz
[18:24] <agaida>            7 1515 MHz 8 1502 MHz
[18:24] <agaida> Graphics:  Card NVIDIA GM206 [GeForce GTX 950]
[18:24] <agaida>            Display Server x11 (X.Org 1.19.5 ) drivers nvidia (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
[18:24] <agaida>            Resolution<EMAIL_ADDRESS> lovely
[18:24] <agaida>            OpenGL renderer GeForce GTX 950/PCIe/SSE2 version 4.5.0 NVIDIA 390.12
[18:24] <agaida> Info:      Processes 267 Uptime 1:34 Memory 1944.4/32069.2MB Client Quassel v0.13-pre inxi 2.3.45
[18:25] <krytarik> ...
 more than enough information for end users like me
[18:25] <agaida> and delete all things one dont want or need
 a simple "inxi" command puts out a few strings with no detail
 omg, I think it's perfect
[18:26] <agaida> it was inxi -SCGI
 THANK YOU AGAIDA!!!!!
[18:27] <agaida> yw
[18:27] <agaida> :) What should my wife think? But better than licking :D
 don't tempt me. I could lick you if I can get those independent values
[18:34] <agaida> i know the problem - and h2 (Harald Hope) is working on inxi for several years no > 10 :P
 O.o
[18:36] <agaida> another place to look how to get the needed informations might be infobash by locksmith (M. de Boer)
[18:36] <agaida> https://github.com/fullstory/infobash - not so big
[18:37] <agaida> but in the end it boils down to some generic tools and process the output
[18:37] <agaida> and that sucks a lot
 yes. I was thinking on parsing inxi's output with grep or something
 like everything is shown up like "CPU: 286" so I just have to get the text before "CPU: "
 s/before/after 😐
[18:38] <agaida> maybe infobash or neofetch are better toos in that case
 then I'd place a nice little icon before that and... voila
[18:40] <agaida> https://i.imgur.com/cQ3PY3h.jpg :)
 wonderful
[18:41] <agaida> standard neofetch - available in the ubuntu repositories
 wait... you're using LXQt with a GTK3 theme under XFWM...? *brain explodes*
[18:41] <agaida> why not?
 that's an orgy! XD
 I like it, really :)
[18:42] <agaida> xfwm4 is in the moment the WM that fits best for LXQt - thats why i make it default in debian
 and Adwaita is bloody beautiful :)
 matching xfwm theme?
[18:43] <agaida> xfwm4-theme-breeze
 mhm
[18:45] <agaida> https://pb.5id.eu/5t3G.jpg
 I like it
 but the way I used xfwm...
 was odd
 @Павел Иванов, o/
[18:47] <agaida> na - openbox should do too - and if i understand mati right he added my ob breeze theme to debian
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3452.mp4
 no, no, I mean I didn't use compositor, or taskbar, or things like that
[18:47] <agaida> ok, nobody is forced to do so
 https://pre00.deviantart.net/377a/th/pre/f/2014/222/c/c/solaris_cde_by_aaro2011-d7uioaw.png
 @VikingRedwolf, im curious about your desktop
 ._.
 "task icons", CDE style. xfwm is the only wm that can do this nowadays
 I love ancient OS looks
 me too
 and run doom on a window
 good thing is Lubuntu can do something like that. LXDE desktop can show running apps
 instead of "real" desktop
 (Sticker, 512x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3453
 my first environment: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Gem_11_Desktop.png
 GEM over DRDOS
 wow
 sexy, huh? :)
 oh yes
 compare that with gnome today
 :D
 (i really dont like gnome...)
 I do, but these old systems had something we don't have anymore: a well designed personality
 well, that's for sure
 the desktop metaphor was shocking and innovative then. I guess we've seen too many
 sometimes it s like people want to make or invent the next desktop innovation and look, but not the system
[19:00] <agaida> Personality? Computers are insults pressed into silicon!
 @Wolfenprey, damn right
 like OS/2, it has the unique feature of shading (marking) the active opened app or folder. it's bloody useful
 or the Miller Columns, only OSX took it for its Finder
 (and Panthon)
 every DE is getting more and more alike
 im testing deepin right now 😆
 beautiful, but it was terribly slow in my modest laptop
 but Elementary, Fedora and specially Solus work fast
 something's wrong in Deepin. you just installed now?
 just installed it and seeing why all the love
 the repo updates are slooooooooooow
 not now, if you choose a near one
 it didn't work in my installation :(
 this is my second time with, first time was a disaster
 :)
 omg omg omg omg, agaida, this would work too:
 I can grep proc's texts
 I'm trying not to use external commands / apps
 that image is here: /usr/share/lubuntu/images/logout-banner.png
 but you'llhave to modify it as root
 then you have a hard task XD
[19:10] <agaida> grep  -m 1 "model name" /proc/cpuinfo
[19:10] <agaida> model name      : AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor
 there're icons, banners, images, texts, config files... everywhere
 I recommend you, Alon to use a Ubuntu remix tool
 installing an OS and "emptying" it is not practical
 https://askubuntu.com/questions/293859/how-to-make-my-own-distro
 @agaida, yeah. I can't find the graphics card info
 not really, but it'll result in an outdated remix. we  change packages almost daily. imagine the outcome
 specially if you want to create a remix / spin / flavour with a recent source
 may I ask why?
 ok
[19:15] <agaida> redwolf: parsing inxi give taht
[19:16] <agaida> ####  -G - full graphics output requires:  glxinfo (mesa-utils); xdpyinfo (X11-utils);
[19:16] <agaida> ####       xrandr (x11-xserver-utils)
 lspci | grep VGA | uniq
 lots of pipes though
 So I've just set up two-way mirroring of our Lubuntu seeds to GitHub: https://github.com/lubuntu-team/lubuntu-seeds
 Bidirectional?
 Yes.
 Alright, cron is set to go every five minutes for it.
[22:54] <wxl[m]> If you check the man page of lspci, lshw, etc, they're usually reading stuff from /proc
 @VikingRedwolf Would you mind if I converted the Artwork branch to Git and did the mirroring too?
 Please, not yet
 Julien gave the goahead to convert everything to Git but I don't want to pull the rug out from under you. 😉
 Ok, no problem, when would be a good time?
 (It's honestly super simple to do)
 When i finish the Plymouth thing
 Ok, please let me know when this is done.
 Aye
 Because I think mirroring our Git repos in Launchpad, Phab, and GitHub will definitely make them more visible and open to pull requests, know what I mean? :)
 yer
 wait, you said it's b idirectional. so I can keep using bzr, right?
 No
 shite
 then plz wait a bit
 But if you push your changes somewhere, it would really be trivial to convert it one way
 Well,
 Hm
 I *could* actually do that
 (you know, one way convert to Git..._
 Yeah, actually, I'll do that
 O_O
 you nuts
 You can keep working in Bazaar on Launchpad, and this script can just seamlessly convert over
 Oh, watch me, it's easy 😉
 I'll plan to push thingies tomorrow
 Ok
 @julienlavergne Either way, I've converted lubuntu-default-settings over to Git. I can manually import translations, but that's coming.,
 @VikingRedwolf Jeez, your artwork takes a long time to clone :D
 because of too many wallpapers. I'd like to remove some
 but yeah, I have a heavy package 😐
 Yeah, maybe move them to like an "obsolete" package 😉
 @VikingRedwolf, .___.
 no, better removing some
 there're wallies from Quantal!
 but I need to re-arrange  some folders. I need to talk to Julien about it, if we're including another theme
 Boom, converted and pushed to https://github.com/lubuntu-team/lubuntu-artwork
 @VikingRedwolf ^
 oohhh
 See how simple that was?
 aye
 https://github.com/mnauw/git-remote-bzr makes it SO EASY
 sorcery!
 hehehehe
 @VikingRedwolf Er, so, it can't go *to* Launchpad because of the way things are set up
 So that'll have to be done manually
 But otherwise it's done :)
 Also mirroring stuff on Phab
 nope. it's not working because I ALREADY added the plymouth logo and it's coming back to Launchpad
 got the notification?
 Mhh, dunno
 No?
 well, I'm there: https://github.com/lubuntu-team/lubuntu-artwork
 @VikingRedwolf So you're ready to convert to Git then? :D
 I F*CKING LOVE DRAG'N'DROP!!!
 @VikingRedwolf Soooo you want to use GitHub for now on? :D
 YAASSSSS!!!!
 Ok
 Sooo I'll do the conversion 😉
 specially for me, considering that I upload single files here and there (except  for the icons) it's SUPER handy
 got the update yet?
 Yes
 I'm doing the Git conversion now
 grand
 @VikingRedwolf Accept me into ~lubuntu-artwork
 NO!
 I need to do it to set up the mirroring...
 Oh, thanks
 .___.
 er
 @VikingRedwolf doetttttttt
 nope
 @VikingRedwolf Please?
 Oh
 Heh
 Cool :)
 .___.
 .______.
 omg, you are held there for ages XD
 XD
 I think I can remove Alex now 😢
 Aww :/
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3464.mp4
 I miss him :(
 He did every glyph and mini icon in Lubuntu, you know?
 o____o
 wow
 Cool!
 😢
 (Sticker, 512x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3465
 @VikingRedwolf Alright, should be all set up :)
 Although, when you use the GitHub web interface, you can get garbage emails like https://git.launchpad.net/lubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=e2601ea83ddf162a5644dbf9abb8d8d6ab665b5d
 @VikingRedwolf So now, you can commit in GitHub, Phab, or Launchpad and it will all seemlessly merge
 @julienlavergne So now, the artwork and default settings branches have been converted to Git and mirrored to GitHub and Phab.Lubuntu.me but the old branches are there for compatibility, I'll let you delete those when you're satisfied with the Git conversion :)
 @julienlavergne And you might want to add your Ubuntu email to GitHub so you can get these commits on your profile :D


[23:54] <ryuguns> HelloI have a minor annoyance on Qt Creator that's really bothering me and that is it's not using the Ubuntu Unity global menu barUbuntu 18.04, Qt Creator 4.5.2
[23:55] <lisandro> ryuguns: it might take some time to get a reply, so you better keep yourself connected :-)
[23:55] <ryuguns> Sorry, I thought that would have kept the formatting :(
[23:55] <ryuguns> lisandro: Okay, thank you, will try


[01:59] <wgrant> maxb: poolie saw something strange like that a while ago.
[02:00] <wgrant> maxb: We didn't make the Authorization header connection, though.
[02:00] <wgrant> It was noticed only as a difference between launchpad.net/api and api.launchpad.net... the reason now becomes obvious.
[02:05] <wgrant> Ah, I see you found that bug.
[02:28] <wgrant> I guess squid must be being crap.
[06:29] <lifeless> wgrant: !cite
[06:37] <wgrant> Aha, it worked.
[06:38] <wgrant> I knew that would wake you up.
[06:38] <wgrant> But it seems that requests going through squid are broken, requests not going through squid are not broken.
[06:38] <wgrant> A bit suspicious.
[06:39] <lifeless> or
[06:39] <lifeless> it could be faulty interaction setup in anonymous api requests
[06:40] <wgrant> Doesn't affect staging/dogfood/qastaging/dev.
[06:40] <lifeless> interesting
[06:40] <wgrant> Precisely.
[06:40] <lifeless> so, lets get the squid config
[06:40] <wgrant> That was the plan.
[06:41] <wgrant> NFI what it could be.
[06:41] <lifeless> also we should get squid (tiny cache) in front of qastaging with the analogous config
[06:41] <wgrant> Was going to check appserver logs.
[06:41] <wgrant> But they are big :(
[06:41] <lifeless> gnar
[06:41] <lifeless> 3% packet loss
[06:41] <wgrant> Where?
[06:42] <lifeless> hth am I meant to raid like this
[06:42] <lifeless> my adsl
[06:42] <wgrant> Bah, there's like a hunred appserver logs now.
[06:42] <lifeless> (actually, it may be higher, its 3% on first hop pings; 5% second, 4% on the target server
[06:42] <lifeless> oh -yay-
[06:43] <lifeless> just observed a 20s rtt
[06:43] <wgrant> Hm?
[06:43] <wgrant> Yay
[06:43] <lifeless> not ms
[06:43] <lifeless> s
[06:43] <wgrant> Yeah.
[06:43] <lifeless> 2400ms stddev on ones internet is Not Good
[06:44] <wgrant> :(
[06:47] <lifeless> win
[06:47] <lifeless> 3K
[06:48] <wgrant> Grar devpad is still BST.
[06:51] <wgrant> Ahhh
[06:51] <wgrant> I think I may see.
[06:55] <wgrant> Yeah.
[06:55] <wgrant> Squid puts a port in the hostname.
[06:55] <wgrant> 3128
[06:56] <wgrant> That breaks lazr.restful.
[06:56] <wgrant> Somehow.
[06:59] <wgrant>         url_host_and_http_host_are_identical = (
[06:59] <wgrant>             host == request_host and port == request_port)
[06:59] <wgrant>         if (not url_host_and_http_host_are_identical
[06:59] <wgrant>             or protocol != site_protocol or query is not None
[06:59] <wgrant>             or fragment is not None):
[06:59] <wgrant>             raise NotFound(self, url, self.request)
[07:00] <lifeless> sigh
[07:00] <wgrant> lazr.restful turns the path into a URL by appending it to the service root. Then it checks that the URL matches the request.
[07:00] <wgrant> We should stop squid from inserting the :3128, I guess.
[07:01] <lifeless> I'm just looking for the bug
[07:01] <wgrant> As am I.
[07:01] <wgrant> There we are.
[07:02] <lifeless> u found it?
[07:03] <wgrant> Bug #714038
[07:03] <_mup_> Bug #714038: strange "no such object" error on unauthenticated api calls with parameters referring to other objects <api> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/714038 >
[07:03] <lifeless> the squid bug
[07:03] <wgrant> It's a squid bug, not an apache/squid config bug?
[07:03] <lifeless> its a feature IIRC
[07:03] <wgrant> Pardon?
[07:04] <lifeless> exactly
[07:05] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/collective.buildout/+bug/438694
[07:05] <_mup_> Bug #438694: squid.conf and Squid 2.6 vs. Squid 2.7 <collective.buildout:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/438694 >
[07:06] <wgrant> Hm, so we need to set vport?
[07:07] <lifeless> thats my current wager
[07:09] <lifeless> 2.7s7
[07:09] <lifeless> so yes
[07:09] <lifeless> rt it?
[07:09] <wgrant> Will do.
[07:09] <wgrant> I've been seeing this :3128 crap showing up in OOPSes for a while, had been vaguely wondering what was going on.
[07:10] <lifeless> iz apache bug I suspect
[07:10] <lifeless> information is being lost along the way
[07:10] <lifeless> still, vport=443 is appropriate
[07:10] <lifeless> and should fix
[07:39] <maxb> well, yay :-)
[07:39] <maxb> Always nice to wake up to find a bug has been prepared for squishing :-)
[07:40] <maxb> haha
[07:41] <maxb> Right, so sending Cookie: bananas avoids the bug just as well as sending OAuth :-)
[07:41] <wgrant> Yes.
[22:42] <lifeless> jcsackett: sadly flask is not packaged on Lucid
[22:49] <lifeless> however werkzeug is


[05:55] <Guest98> Hi, Where can I get the live version?
[05:58] <guiverc> Guest98, all Lubuntu ISOs released after 2018-May have been live (ie. all LXQt releases & re-spins of 18.04 we no longer support)
[05:59] <guiverc> https://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[06:00] <guiverc> (in 2018-April, or 18.04, we provided an alternate ISO for low-RAM machines that was NOT live; as the live required RAM which meant the intaller wouldn't run, non-live allowed lower RAM installs)
[06:08] <Guest98> ty
[17:21] <dragon_> is snap updates in terminal still done? I get conflicting information. I just did a "snap refresh" in terminal, and it did upgrade something there.
[17:21] <dragon_> it was firefox, previously I have had discord snaps too
[17:33] <dragon_> I have to shut down my computer, but I will be back in a couple of hours