[00:26] <daftykins> where's the late night gang?
[00:31] <penguin42> sleeping I think
[00:31] <daftykins> :D
[00:31] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cvsnpzarunb5esm/AAAtt48f0jOb3kRhnMZ1G00ja?dl=0
[00:32] <daftykins> morning sir - got a few N64s together for a friends stag do tomorrow night
[00:32] <daftykins> no cartridge blowing for me, i've run some IPA over them all ;)
[00:32] <penguin42> that sounds unusually civilised for a stag do
[00:33] <daftykins> hehe - it's after daytime activities, drinks at the private venue of the royal yacht club
[00:36]  * moggers57 is just in after been at a wedding reception
[00:38] <daftykins> ah did they see the piggy bank or did you have to leave it in a pile?
[00:41] <moggers57> i dropped that in a few days ago, they liked it
[00:42] <moggers57> won't be short of a few coins for the meter... :-P
[01:30] <daftykins> =]
[01:33] <daftykins> phew, all consoles tested, bagged up and ready to go
[09:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:55] <popey> pip pip
[10:13] <brobostigon> meep
[11:29]  * SuperEngineer thinks it is quiet here today.  Enjoy your bank hol traffic jams folks ;-)
[11:31] <brobostigon> i think if it stays dry, i might visit the pub, :)
[11:34] <SuperEngineer> good plan!
[11:34] <SuperEngineer> [have 1 for me]
[11:34] <brobostigon> :)
[17:40] <diddledan> traffic jam? I like jam
[17:41] <diddledan> the red arras were here today
[17:42] <penguin42> where's that?
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> if they happen in the mornings they should be traffic marmalades
[17:44] <zmoylan-pi> the italian display team were here a few weeks back.  they fly a very close low formation.  very impressive
[18:56] <foobarry> google searches are struggling, other sites aren't. weird
[18:56] <foobarry> hmm google UK
[18:57] <penguin42> foobarry: working here
[18:57] <zmoylan-pi> google ireland working here grand
[18:57] <foobarry> yep, google.ie works fine
[18:57] <foobarry> co.uk hanging
[18:57] <penguin42> foobarry: I seem to be resolving to lhr25s10-in-f3 on a ping of www.google.co.uk
[18:57] <zmoylan-pi> if google were having trouble it would be news _everywhere_, no?
[18:58] <foobarry> 64 bytes from lhr25s01-in-f3.1e100.net (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=4 ttl=55 time=23.2 ms
[18:58] <foobarry> ping works
[18:58] <zmoylan-pi> not for apple it didn't... :-P
[18:58] <penguin42> hmm, so we're same datacentre
[18:58] <foobarry> it could be routing form talktalk thats the issue
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> heh, 1e100. A googol
[18:58] <zmoylan-pi> they took bings money... :-)
[18:58] <foobarry> can't google it though
[18:59] <foobarry> just remembered other search engines are available lol
[18:59] <foobarry> co.uk working better now
[18:59] <zmoylan-pi> i use startpage and duckduckgo 99% of the time
[18:59] <foobarry> maybe not
[19:10] <foobarry> does this site work for anyone ? https://my.talktalk.co.uk/servicecentre
[19:11] <popey> no
[19:11] <popey> Connecting to my.talktalk.co.uk (my.talktalk.co.uk)|<IP_ADDRESS>|:443... failed: Connection refused.
[19:32] <foobarry> bank holiday, network guys all off on hols
[19:33] <foobarry> i haven't read my work email in 2 weeks. feels great
[19:34] <penguin42> that's exactly what the servers are thinking to themselves....
[19:34] <MooDoo> nice :) I've been off for a week, just read my work email so no surprises when i get in.
[19:36] <foobarry> i never received good news in a work email
[19:36] <foobarry> ever
[19:36] <Gorsofa> Like totally               https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1617501
[19:36] <foobarry> if you look after systems then its always bad if you get mail
[19:38] <foobarry> gahhh keep hitting ctrl-k in browser to search...muscle memory is strong . might have to edit /etc/hosts to redirect google
[19:38] <penguin42> foobarry: Where is your google trying to connect to/
[19:38] <foobarry> uk
[19:39] <penguin42> more specifically?
[19:39] <foobarry> host www.google.co.uk
[19:39] <foobarry> www.google.co.uk has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:39] <foobarry> www.google.co.uk has IPv6 address 2a00:1450:4009:808::2003
[19:40] <penguin42> foobarry: But is that where it's actually trying to connect to?
[19:40] <foobarry> ohhh... its chrome
[19:40] <foobarry> firefox is fine
[19:40] <penguin42> foobarry: That's connecting to that IP fine for me
[19:42] <foobarry> time to slap chrome
[19:43] <foobarry> i heard firefox is getting codecs to watch amazon prime soon
[19:43] <penguin42> foobarry: I'd be tempted to tcpdump/netstat something to see wth it's doing
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> they have the thing to watch Netflix now I think
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> if Amazon uses the same "DRM enabling engine" it should also work
[19:45] <foobarry> pondering reading man in the high castle after watching it on telly
[19:49] <foobarry> should probably disregard the illiterate reviews added recently by couch potatoes
[19:50] <foobarry> somebody sounds upset that it had nothing to do with the tv show, as if it's the book's fault
[21:18] <zmoylan-pi> whenever i got a work email it was 50/50 it was looking for information i had already emailed them but outlooks search was so bad they couldn't find it...
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> i'll never want a window seat again... https://twitter.com/FlightAlerts777/status/769605144078127106
[22:06] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: front fell off?
[22:10] <zmoylan-pi> non regulation duct tape holding it together


[00:00] <jpds> That's probably it.
[00:00] <jpds> I'd file a bug against squid-deb-proxy.
[00:00] <CarlFK> k - thanks.
[00:12] <CarlFK> jpds: squid-deb-proxy or squid-deb-proxy-client?  (I get the error on the client side)
[00:13] <CarlFK> maybe it doesn't matter.  I was going to use apport-cli, but I guess it want's stack dump files
[00:24] <CarlFK> jpds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid-deb-proxy/+bug/686265  anything I should add before I re-image the box?
[00:47] <dooglus> whether I pick 'classic' or 'desktop', I still get the classic gnome-panel type interface
[00:48] <dooglus> any idea what the problem is there?  other users on the same computer can run Unity, but not mine
[00:56] <charlie-tca> dooglus: remove any old .compiz entries and restart
[00:57] <charlie-tca> in your /home/USER
[01:59] <Roey> hi
[01:59] <Roey> I have Capslock mapped to an additional control, keyboard layout switcher mapped to two shift keys pressed together, and repeat delay to 200ms.  I upgraded to the latest PPAs and now these settings no longer seem to be respected, even though they show up as I configured them in System Setting
[01:59] <Roey> PPAs of KDE btw.
[02:08] <dooglus> how can I change the default web browser to be chrome instead of Fx?
[02:08] <dooglus> I've tried, but the dialog seems to be ignored
[02:13] <IdleOne> dooglus: known bug
[02:14] <IdleOne> I don't know the bug number off hand
[03:17] <dooglus> IdleOne: I 'fixed' it by making a script in ~/Bin/firefox which runs chrome...
[03:18] <CarlFK> lol
[04:12] <dooglus> charlie-tca: thanks
[04:14] <dooglus> charlie-tca: I have ~/.compiz/session/ with a pair of files in it - that's all
[04:18] <dooglus> charlie-tca: it made no different.  I don't think compiz is being run at all
[04:26] <dooglus> I removed ~/.compiz completely, but it still runs a regular gnome-session
[09:29] <nperry> morning all o/
[10:46] <reventon_> so do you guys do anything to hunt for bugs? on these new releases?
[10:51] <rork> This is my first time I use an alpha, I intend to just use it a bit, configure it and see what happens/crashes. I succesfully reproduced a bug that also existed in older versions.
[10:52] <Jordan_U> reventon_: There is always System > Administration > System Testing.
[10:52] <CarlFK> I install to a 2nd box, install apps I use and see if they do what I expect
[10:53] <CarlFK> it helps to automate the install
[10:56] <reventon_> Jordan_U: thanks
[10:56] <Jordan_U> reventon_: You're welcome.
[10:56] <reventon_> yeah i've just been using it like a normal machine, but i haven't really noticed anything out of the ordinary
[10:57] <reventon_> at least things that hadn't been reported already
[11:00] <rork> I just filed a bug in KDE I've found to KDE's bugzilla, should I also add it to Launchpad?
[12:04] <reventon_> rork: wait for the KDE people to answer you first
[12:12] <rork> ok, thx
[12:32] <reventon_> interesting, the newest kernel update enabled more resolutions on my vbox installation
[13:19] <kklimonda> hola
[13:20] <nperry> Yo o/
[13:36] <jo-erlend> Seing as Natty uses Unity by default; would it be an idea to make the session choices more visible than they are in current releases, so that the "Classic Ubuntu Desktop" choice is easily noticable?
[13:52] <reventon_> i think it would be harder to make it more noticeable without having to redesign the login
[13:57] <q999> ?how do you autohide panel in natty?
[13:59] <zniavre> via ccsm no?
[14:02] <kklimonda> I don't think you can hide panel - only launcher
[14:02] <zniavre> misunderstanding im sorry
[14:03] <q999> this version must autohide or they just went back 15 years.
[14:04] <kklimonda> in Unity top panel displays application menu, I don't think it makes sense to hide it
[14:04] <kklimonda> but you can ask on #ayatana if there are plans to make it auto hide
[14:04] <q999> i like real estate.
[14:05] <Gullstad> It should least be a possibility.
[14:06] <Gullstad> Freedom of choise.
[14:06] <q999> this seems like an netbook release.
[14:07] <kklimonda> Gullstad: you are free to choose different ui, or even different distribution
[14:07] <q999> going back to 10.10
[14:09] <Gullstad> kklimonda: So this is going to be the standard ubuntu anserw to suggeste features? "You don't have to use ubuntu".
[14:11] <kklimonda> Gullstad: no size fits all
[14:11] <q999> but autohide of panel an issue?
[14:12] <q999> shouldnt be ..should just work.
[14:12] <kklimonda> q999: not an issue but it may not be something that is going to be implemented in 11.04, or even not something that Unity designers have envisioned.
[14:13] <Gullstad> Sure, but ubuntu now is trying to standarize the desktop to their likings for everybody else. Don't missunderstand. I love the looks of new unity, but still want the possibility to move my dock and hide my panels for screen relesate on my eee
[14:14] <kklimonda> Gullstad: there are no panels - there is a signel panel and launcher, launcher can be set to auto hide. dunno if panel is going to be set. But my point is that the argument "freedom of choice" is a lousy one at best. There has to be someone who has a vision and who sets goals - only because the goal is not the one you like doesn't mean it has to be changed.
[14:15] <q999> seems like they knew from what i read,takes up three inchs on big screen.
[14:15] <kklimonda> q999: you are talking about launcher, not about the panel
[14:15] <q999> right that too
[14:16] <Gullstad> kklimonda: I'm not talking about chaning the default, just options so everybody could customise it in their way to hit a broader autiance.
[14:16] <kklimonda> Gullstad: all options come with a hidden costs
[14:17] <kklimonda> Gullstad: more code to support them - more developers to write it, more testers to test it, more bugs for users
[14:19] <Gullstad> I'm exited to see how it pans out, but this release is going to make or break it for Ubuntu. Exiting one.
[14:19] <kklimonda> meh, not this one
[14:19] <kklimonda> the one that will make or break it is the next LTS
[14:20] <q999> another thing that i dislike,(since I'm A Righty) is the relocation of the max /min /close windows frome the right to the left...apple style,,and ,I hate Apple......
[14:20] <Gullstad> The whole UI is beeing revamped. I don't think the users are going to stick around unitll next LTS if it's disliked.
[14:20] <kklimonda> q999: it fits unity really well
[14:21] <q999> trying to follow apple bites.
[14:21] <kklimonda> q999: it's not following apple, button on the left fits unity when windows are maximized
[14:21] <Gullstad> Apple is nice-looking. Trying to match it's design is a pretty good idea.
[14:22] <q999> no..
[14:22] <kklimonda> Gullstad: we are still at the point where most Ubuntu users are adventurous
[14:22] <q999> its a lefties ,,,,closed garden.
[14:23] <kklimonda> Gullstad: most of them are just going to switch to the Classic GNOME if they dislike new Unity (which is not going to be completely ready by 11.04 release)
[14:23] <q999> ubuntu is better than that.
[14:23] <Gullstad> kklimonda: You think people are going to switch to classig gnome and just wait for it to dissapair in the next release?
[14:23] <kklimonda> Gullstad: yes
[14:23] <q999> yes so far natty  has issues.
[14:23] <kklimonda> Gullstad: or to GNOME Shell, or to KDE
[14:24] <kklimonda> Gullstad: we still haven't reached the point where most people don't know what system they have installed
[14:24] <kklimonda> Gullstad: up until then we can test new stuff and make it better.
[14:25] <kklimonda> Gullstad: a lot of people are still using LTS, I'd actually be happy if they stayed at the last LTS and then made an upgrade to the next one.
[14:26] <q999> have 2 boxes running 10.04 love it.
[14:27] <reventon_> test
[14:29] <q999> thanks anyway ......I'm gone.
[14:29] <Gullstad> kklimonda: Maybe there should be a ad for it. "New ubuntu! Don't upgrade."
[14:33] <kklimonda> Gullstad: that wouldn't make sense, most of people want to run the newest and shiniest
[14:33] <kklimonda> and we need testers ;)
[14:34] <h3sp4wn> Is anyone using the natty kernel under xen domU
[14:35] <h3sp4wn> (I am still using the amazon one from 10.04 past experience with xen ubuntu has sucked)
[14:36] <kklimonda> no, but I use a 10.04 kernel under xen domU and it works fine
[14:41] <h3sp4wn> kklimonda: Which one (I use vmlinuz-2.6.32-310-ec2)
[14:41] <kklimonda> 2.6.32-25-generic-pae
[14:43] <h3sp4wn> Does the config look more sensible ? (I have compared the one I am using to quite a few from citrix's XCP (Xen cloud platform) and it seems like its not optimal - perhaps with ec2 based on xen 3.0.3 that effects it but I use a 4.0.1 dom0
[15:31] <reventon_> are there settings that can be adjusted with regards to scrolling? as of the latest batch of updates (today) i can no longer scroll side to side on my trackpad
[15:31] <reventon_> i'm on a macbook pro running 11.04 in vbox. i was able to scroll sideways as of yesterday
[16:43] <Volkodav>  xfce is all crooked
[16:43] <Volkodav> almost unusable with or without compiz
[16:49] <charlie-tca> Volkodav: xubuntu or Ubuntu with Xfce added?
[16:49] <Volkodav> Ubuntu with Xfce added
[16:50] <Volkodav> icons are invisible on the panel with compiz - with compiz off stays the same
[16:50] <Volkodav> can not change fonts or appearance etc
[16:51] <Volkodav> stuck on 1 theme with default fonts etc
[16:51] <Volkodav> the list is long
[16:56] <Volkodav> I understand they rewrote panel and other stuff
[16:57] <charlie-tca> Sorry. Xubuntu broke it
[16:57] <charlie-tca> We are merging the xfce4.8 changes, and the panel plugins have to be re-written to work now
[16:57] <charlie-tca> Not sure if it will work later even with compiz now
[16:57] <Volkodav> I noticed the list shrinked
[16:58] <Volkodav> well hanging in gnome for now
[16:58] <charlie-tca> yes, it is actively being worked
[16:58] <Volkodav> that's good news
[16:58] <Volkodav> xfce has been my DE choice for years
[16:58] <Volkodav> used to it
[17:00] <charlie-tca> I haven't tried the image today, but I am running xubuntu Natty which I upgraded from maverick.
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Only a few of the plugins are working
[17:00] <Volkodav> i just logged out with all those comments
[17:14] <smoser> anyone else having issues with mumble ?
[17:15] <smoser> i cannot hear others. I can talk, and others can hear me, but I cannot hear you.  I don't see their "lips move" either, and many other sound apps (rhythmbox, mplayer, mpg321) play sound fine
[17:16] <smoser> seems that either a.) defening, then undeafening myself or b.) just opening up the audio wizard, and switching something and then switching it back.
[17:17] <smoser> fixed it.
[17:57] <yaaar> howdy
[17:57] <yaaar> little confused here...do i need a 100-min CD to try this alpha out?
[17:59] <yaaar> trying to burn natty-desktop-amd64.iso and it says it's too big even with overburn on. the file is 723MB
[18:00] <yaaar> looks like the i386 one is 717...wonder if that'll squeeze in with overburn
[18:00] <h3sp4wn> What are you using to burn it ?
[18:01] <yaaar> i right-clicked the file and hit 'write to disc' on my 10.04 desktop...not sure what program that runs...didn't see anything obvious from ps waux
[18:01] <h3sp4wn> Try cdrecord command line (you probably have to compile it but its not difficult) http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
[18:02] <h3sp4wn> (wodim or whatever the fork of cdrecord is called is crap)
[18:02] <yaaar> doesn't this gnome thing just frontend that?
[18:02] <h3sp4wn> They forked it without thinking about whether they could maintain it properly
[18:02] <h3sp4wn> (it might use something else)
[18:02] <yaaar> ah. i see...apt-get tries to install wodim if you ask it for cdrecord
[18:03] <charlie-tca> Being they are oversize at this time, you can burn them to dvd or use a usb drive.
[18:03] <IdleOne> gnomebaker works fine
[18:04] <yaaar> k
[18:04] <IdleOne> brasero should do the job as well, but yeah the iso's are a little big see charlie-tca ^^
[18:05] <yaaar> trying with brasero
[18:05] <yaaar> i've got some dvds here, so if it comes to that no big deal
[18:17] <yaaar> ok wtf. i told brasero to burn that iso file and it wrote a disc....way too fast...and then on further inspection it had burned a completely different iso file (FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE-AMD64-bootonly.iso ...in the same directoy) from the one i had selected. figured i was just stupid and chose the wrong one, so i went into gnomebaker and chose the natty iso (made POSITIVE this time I had the...
[18:17] <yaaar> ...right file) and it did it again!
[18:17] <yaaar> why on earth would it do that?
[18:19] <h3sp4wn> maybe god's telling you something
[18:19] <yaaar> that i should run freebsd?
[18:20] <coz_> yaaar,  I have had very little success with brasero
[18:20] <coz_> yaaar,  I suggest gnomebaker...its far more reliable
[18:20] <yaaar> this last attempt was with gnomebaker
[18:20] <h3sp4wn> yaaar:  (Failing a good reason why not I would) unfortunately I have a good reason why not
[18:20] <coz_> yaaar, ooo
[18:20] <coz_> yaaar, are you burning the daily build?
[18:21] <Volkodav>  just do DVD
[18:21] <yaaar> coz_: i downloaded it last night from the link in the topic
[18:21] <yaaar> i think that's just alpha 1 not the daily
[18:21] <h3sp4wn> yaaar: Use netboot/mini.iso
[18:21] <h3sp4wn> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[18:22] <yaaar> h3sp4wn: yeah that's probably a good idea. but i sure would like to know why these burning programs decided to burn a completely different iso from the one i told them to burn...
[18:25] <coz_> yaaar, I would also suggest burning at 1x
[18:29] <yaaar> i guess i don't see what the burn speed has to do with it choosing the wrong file to burn
[18:30] <coz_> yaaar, choosing the wrong file to burn is on your end...burning at 1x will give the best results
[18:30] <h3sp4wn> I usually burn at 4x (some drives don't support 1x anymore)
[18:31] <yaaar> coz_: oh i see, you just figure i don't know what i'm talking about. fair enough, but i've tested it more than once. if you like i can shoot video and put it on my webserver so you can watch me choose the right file and watch it burn the wrong one
[18:32] <coz_> yaaar,  no no offense meant at all
[18:32] <coz_> yaaar,  I am actuallly trying to work on 5 channels...download iso's  and burn then all at once...so i was just trying to pitch in here ..sorry if you were offended
[18:43] <yaaar> coz_: no worries...i actually thought about shooting the video before saying anything, because honestly it does sound kinda ridiculous
[19:12] <charlie-tca> yaaar: what about copying or moving that iso to an empty directory to see what happens?
[19:17] <CarlFK> yaaar: md5sum the 2 .iso s - maybe you made a copy or something
[19:32] <frewsxcv> why is gnome-mplayer in muliverse?
[19:33] <Pici> frewsxcv: It doesn't look like its actually part of GNOME at all, just named like it.  http://sites.google.com/site/kdekorte2/gnomemplayer
[19:34] <h3sp4wn> anything using mplayer potentially has patent issues
[19:35] <frewsxcv> h3sp4wn: mplayer was moved to universe recently
[19:36] <frewsxcv> Pici: i'm aware, but that shouldn't be a reason for it to be in multiverse
[19:36] <h3sp4wn> frewsxcv: where is mencoder ?
[19:37] <Pici> frewsxcv: gnome-mplayer has been in multiverse since hardy...
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> I prefer mplayer/mencoder/ffmpeg compiled with icc so cannot use packages
[19:37] <frewsxcv> h3sp4wn: universe
[19:38] <frewsxcv> Pici: what's your point?
[19:38] <h3sp4wn> Interesting guess they no longer care about patents (probably a good thing at least for me)
[19:38] <Pici> frewsxcv: I assumed since you're asking in #ubuntu+1 that this was a new change in Natty.
[19:38] <frewsxcv> in maverick, mencoder was moved universe from multiverse
[19:39] <frewsxcv> i'm on the fluxbuntu team
[19:40] <frewsxcv> and we're trying to include mplayer-gnome in natty, but it appears to still be in multiverse
[19:41] <h3sp4wn> A fluxbox user would not bother about an mplayer gui surely
[19:41] <frewsxcv> if you have a comment about our software choices, that is a different discussion
[19:43] <h3sp4wn> So you choose not to distribute from anything other than main and universe ?
[19:43] <h3sp4wn> Or is that a policy of some sort
[19:45] <yofel> frewsxcv: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-motu about this, they might know more
[19:46] <frewsxcv> yofel: thanks
[20:06] <DrHalan> hey
[20:06] <DrHalan> hows natty evolving?
[20:07] <yaaar> charlie-tca: that's exactly what i eventually did; i moved the natty iso to a different directory that didn't have anything else in it. after that gnomebaker burned it without complaint. weird.
[20:08] <yaaar> CarlFK: i didn't md5 them, but one is 45MB and the other 723, so pretty sure they aren't the same
[20:10] <charlie-tca> yaaar: glad to hear it worked. Sometimes strange things happen
[20:23] <CarlFK> yaaar: good point.
[20:34] <yofel> micahg: any reason why the mozilla daily ppa builds 3.6 dailies of firefox for natty instead of 4? That's somewhat... useless
[21:14] <Roey> Hey all, I have Capslock mapped to an additional control, keyboard layout switcher mapped to two shift keys pressed together, and repeat delay to 200ms.  I upgraded to the latest PPAs and now these settings no longer seem to be respected, even though they show up as I configured them in System Setting
[21:14] <Roey> what vies?
[21:14] <Roey> this is Kubuntu 10.10 bvtw
[21:14] <Roey> btw
[21:15] <Volkodav>  ppa's are blocked every update IIRC
[21:16] <Volkodav> upgrade rather*
[21:16] <yofel> Roey: this is 11.04 support, 10.10 support is in #kubuntu
[21:17] <Roey> right, but they asked me to come here.
[21:17] <Volkodav> yofer what's up
[21:17] <Volkodav> yofel: *
[21:17] <Roey> Volkodav:  what do you mean they're blocked every upate?
[21:17] <h3sp4wn> Roey: How are you mapping it ? xmodmap ?
[21:18] <Volkodav> that was happening in 10.10 alphas and betas
[21:18] <yofel> Roey: blocked on 10.10 -> 11.04 upgrade, which was what he assumed you had done
[21:18] <Roey> h3sp4wn:  through KDE keyboard settings
[21:18] <h3sp4wn> Roey: You might find it easier just swapping them
[21:18] <Roey> h3sp4wn:  through xmodmap?
[21:18] <Roey> maybe
[21:18] <Roey> thanks
[21:18] <yofel> Volkodav: being busy a bit with packaging currently, but other than that fine, kubuntu 11.04 works better than expected
[21:19] <Volkodav> same as ubuntu - but I could not get the hang of Unity
[21:20]  * Volkodav back to gnome waiting for xfce to be fixed
[21:20] <Roey> see that's the thing that made me write off gnome... the developers keep promising that something will be fixed or othewise re-architected  by the next mythical release
[21:22] <Volkodav> I can't find ppa for qmmp for natty
[21:23] <Volkodav> the only player capable of wavpack and FLac in one file that will see the tags right
[23:32] <c0nsumer_> hello! why the version 11.04 will use unity interface? its better for gnome?
[23:32] <c0nsumer_> and unity is developed by canonical?
[23:33] <yofel> first: not sure, and unity is developed by canonical
[23:33]  * yofel uses kde and doesn't care
[23:33] <skrewler> who cares, you can change it to whatever you want
[23:34] <c0nsumer_> but why the canonical prefet change default interface to unty?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> being used for better user experience when using both netbook and larger screen systems. Keeps them the same
[23:34]  * Volkodav uses xfce and does not care
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> what's the right way to update?
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> so far I do sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> is that fine?
[23:35] <c0nsumer_> i'm installing the Natty on VirtualBox to test this.
[23:35] <charlie-tca> that is fine for safely upgrading. I use dist-upgrade so I don't have things sitting that should have upgraded
[23:35] <charlie-tca> c0nsumer_: you do know unity won't work in VBox, right?
[23:35] <yofel> alex_mayorga: yes, but that doesn't remove conflicting packages, use full-upgrade too frome time to time
[23:36] <yofel> (or apt-get dist-upgrade)
[23:36] <c0nsumer_> no! O_o
[23:36] <breadcrumb> why doesnt it work in vbox
[23:36] <c0nsumer_> really?
[23:36] <alex_mayorga> yofel: thanks
[23:36] <yofel> breadcrumb: needs 3D support
[23:36] <skrewler> n
[23:36] <yofel> which most VMs don't have
[23:37] <breadcrumb> umm.. vbox has 3d support, at least opengl?
[23:37] <breadcrumb> you can enable compiz effects in an ubuntu virtualbox machine
[23:37] <yofel> breadcrumb: not the -ose version afaik
[23:37] <breadcrumb> oh
[23:37] <yofel> I could be wrong though
[23:37] <yofel> I'm at least certain that KVM has no opengl support
[23:38] <yofel> which is what I usually use
[23:41] <c0nsumer_> so, abort my installation on Vbox
[23:41] <c0nsumer_> ?
[23:43] <c0nsumer_> ??
[23:45] <charlie-tca> I am pretty sure VBox won't work with unity. It will only work with the "classic desktop" session, which is gnome
[23:45] <charlie-tca> At least, it would not work in any virtual machines during alpha1 testing
[23:47] <Sir_Konrad> charlie-tca, why do you think that is?
[23:47] <charlie-tca> either no 3d or no OpenGL support
[23:47]  * yofel wonders what kind of user experience it is supposed to be that nvidia users first have to run classic -> install nvidia driver -> switch to unity
[23:47] <yofel> that'll at least make auto-login impossible
[23:47] <charlie-tca> It's a fun experience
[23:48] <charlie-tca> yes, auto-login makes it much more fun!
[23:49] <yofel> heh


[01:22] <Clayton_> After I download Lubuntu Artful Aardvark, how do I launch it onto a Dell Dimension E310?
[01:23] <wxl> you grab the iso and stick it on some installation media, usually a usb or dvd
[01:23] <Clayton_> You mean like copying it to a USB drive? After that what do I do with it? I'm really, really new to linux
[01:24] <wxl> you need to do a bit by bit copy and then set your BIOS to boot to it
[01:24] <wxl> (actually this is how windows does things now, too)
[01:25] <Clayton_> Okay. My machine has Windows XP on it. Please pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by "bit by bit copy"?
[01:25] <wxl> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[01:25] <wxl> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-burn-a-dvd-on-windows#0
[01:25] <wxl> ^^ depending on whether or not you want to do USB or DVD
[01:26] <Clayton_> Thank you. That looks like what I have been looking for all day
[01:26] <wxl> can i make a suggestion before you do that, though?
[01:27] <wxl> (this is something windows DOESN'T do with their ISOs and i DO NOT understand)
[01:27] <wxl> and that's verifying the download is valid
[01:27] <wxl> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0
[01:27] <wxl> ignore the GPG bit. that's not totally necessary
 chksum?
[01:29] <wxl> also when you boot it, make sure to run the menu settting "check disc for defects"
[01:30] <wxl> if you do those two things you can verify that the download is good and the copy is good
[01:30] <wxl> which means any bugs you face are our fault not yours XD
[01:33] <wxl> Clayton_: one last thing— according to Dell, pressing F12 when you see the DELL logo will get you a boot menu so you can select your installation media
[01:34] <Clayton_> Thanks again
[01:35] <wxl> Clayton_: if you need more than that (i.e. your device doesn't show up), you can get to BIOS with F2. see page 43/52 here https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_dimension_desktops/dimension-3100_service%20manual_en-us.pdf
[01:35] <Clayton_> okay
[01:58] <nmrh> hello
[02:00] <nmrh> need a pointer to get past an install issue on a dell e6220 with lubuntu-17.10.1-desktop-amd64
[02:00] <tsimonq2> ask away :)
[02:00] <nmrh> i get "An error occurred while configuring encrypted volumes"
[02:01] <tsimonq2> Are you connected to the internet on that device?
[02:01] <nmrh> prior to this I found i had to turn swap off and apt-get install lvm2
[02:01] <nmrh> both of which i've done getting me to this error which I can't seem to find much about
[02:01] <nmrh> yes, internet connected
[02:02] <tsimonq2> Could you be more specific about what it said the error was?
[02:03] <nmrh> the dialog title is "Configuration of encrypted volumes failed"
[02:04] <nmrh> below the error text I wrote above is "the configuration has been aborted"
[02:04] <nmrh> that's all I got
[02:04] <nmrh> I can get to syslog...
[02:05] <nmrh> any preferred pastbin for this channel?
[02:06] <tsimonq2> paste.ubuntu.com
[02:06] <nmrh> k, give me a sec
[02:07] <nmrh> ug, no curl on the install media...
[02:14] <nmrh> syslog is https://ptpb.pw/K2CB, error near the end
[02:23] <nmrh> so the line: Jan 23 01:51:33 lubuntu partman-crypto: Cannot format device /dev/sda5 which is still in use.
[02:23] <nmrh> looks like a symptom
[02:23] <tsimonq2> Hm, maybe unmounting things would work.
[02:24] <nmrh> yea, but what?  mount doesn't show any /dev/sda mounted
[02:24] <tsimonq2> Hm, not sure.
[02:24] <tsimonq2> You might try asking in #ubuntu too
[02:25] <nmrh> k,
[02:25] <nmrh> i can patebin the output of mount... if your willing to look
[02:26] <nmrh> mount output: https://ptpb.pw/ywhS
[04:18] <tom95r> salut
[04:19] <tom95r> jaurais une question
[04:19] <tsimonq2> !fr
[04:19] <tsimonq2> :)
[04:50] <PTatoes> hi
[04:55] <PTatoes> If anyone here cares, the magnet torrent link on the lubuntu.net homepage for x64, points to the old 17.10 torrent, instead of the new patched 17.10.1
[04:55] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu.net isn't our official website
[04:55] <tsimonq2> It's being squatted
[04:55] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu.me is
[04:56] <PTatoes> ya, I kinda figured that out. The guy supporting .net is doing his own thing
[04:56] <tsimonq2> Right
[04:56] <tsimonq2> Out of curiosity, how'd you figure that?
[04:57] <PTatoes> <Googling. Trying to figure out the web admin for the .net site, and I came across a form post about .net vs .me
[04:57] <tsimonq2> Ok, mind linking that so I know for future ref? :)
[04:58] <PTatoes> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2360662
[04:58] <tsimonq2> Thanks
[04:58] <PTatoes> no problem
[04:58] <PTatoes> anyways. thanks.
[04:58] <PTatoes> good bye
[04:58] <tsimonq2> o/
[11:42] <pellomik> I cannot shutdown Lubuntu 17.10. It gets stucked in Lubuntu screen with dots. Is there someone who knows how can I fix this issue? I would appreciate.
[11:43] <hateball> pellomik: if you press ESC, do you see the text behind?
[11:43] <hateball> it could hang for a ton of reasons
[11:47] <pellomik> No, I can't do anything after I ask for switching of. No other information than the dots screen.
[11:48] <hateball> pellomik: if you reboot the machine, then enter grub menu and edit bootline and remove "quiet splash" then boot and try to shut down again, the plymouth splash should be gone and you should see only text output
[11:49] <hateball> if it's an older machine, it's probably some ACPI bug in BIOS so it wont shutdown properly
[11:52] <pellomik> Thank you, I'll try it.
[11:53] <hateball> pellomik: sometimes it's even plymouth itself that hangs on shutdown so just disabling it makes things work properly... altho you miss out on the splash screen
[12:10] <pellomik> Sorry, i'm bothering you, but I can't hardly understand nothing in this photo I send you ( https://www.dropbox.com/s/rhpnpke7vkudbvl/20180123_130313.jpg?dl=0 ) . It is the list of actions the computer does before it hangs. Do you find something I could fix?
[12:14] <hateball> pellomik: is that where it stops?
[12:14] <hateball> as you can see it says it has reached shutdown, but then does not do an actual poweroff
[12:15] <pellomik> Yes, and I have to do it manually.
[12:16] <hateball> pellomik: can you try adding this to your kernel bootline "acpi=force"
[12:16] <hateball> just like you removed "quiet splash", you put that there instead
[12:16] <hateball> pellomik: also what is the model of your laptop or motherboard?
[12:19] <pellomik> Let's see if it helps. I'm trying to set up Lubuntu in a Samsung r60 laptop.
[12:23] <pellomik> Again, "Reached target shutdown" but without turning off.
[12:27] <pellomik> Thank you hateball for kindly helping me. I'll give it another try later, hopefuly I'll get it.
[12:30] <hateball> oh well
[12:30] <hateball> too bad they left, found some ancient posts with the same issue
[15:52] <n-iCe> hi
[16:09] <egy> hello!


[05:36] <didrocks> good morning
[05:38] <pitti> Good morning
[05:38] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, comment vas-tu ?
[05:39] <didrocks> ça va pitti, et toi ?
[05:39] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien
[05:40] <pitti> il faut faire trop de choses jusq'à Noël :)
[05:40] <didrocks> pitti: héhé, pareil ici !
[06:00] <duflu> Morning Europe
[06:00] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:01] <duflu> Seems our xenial images have not been passing sufficiently since 9 December? But the "current" one also doesn't work (fails to install). Any news?
[06:01] <duflu> (http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/)
[06:02] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:02] <duflu> He says from a warm sunny Summer afternoon
[06:03] <didrocks> duflu: I would ask that to the fundation team (cyphermox for instance), they are in charge of the iso/installer (and yeah, the installer was failing on flavors as well)
[06:10] <RAOF> I installed from current just yesterday?
[06:10] <darkxst> Ubuntu GNOME images are busted from non-root Xorg changes on atleast Virtualbox
[06:10] <darkxst> but not heard any issues with the actual installation
[06:11] <didrocks> RAOF: current is the one that passed the tests, (I can install it as well), pending doesn't
[06:12] <didrocks> I still see for any of them the live installer session exiting though (and going to live session mode as the fallback)
[06:17] <duflu> Mine consistently fails to install UEFI at the end and gives up. Maybe I should try a different machine
[06:17] <duflu> Secureboot is off, too
[07:07] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:11] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:12] <seb128> re didrocks
[07:15] <didrocks> seb128: did you try to create a persistent usb drive recently? It seems I can't (even the blocks alignement after a dd are wrong, so I can't rewrite the partition table)
[07:16] <didrocks> usb-creator is busted as well
[07:16] <seb128> didrocks, they dropped the feature on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/0.3.0 it seems
[07:16] <seb128> I read that yesterday
[07:16] <seb128> thanks for bringing it up, I wanted to ask mdeslaur / cyphermox what's the point of keeping usb-creator if there is no persistency
[07:16] <seb128> we can as well use disks then
[07:17] <seb128> you said "usb-creator is busted as well"
[07:17] <seb128> did we have another tool to do persistent drives?
[07:17] <didrocks> well, basically, it's just about adding a new partition
[07:17] <didrocks> labelled casper-rw
[07:17] <didrocks> but I can't do that (gparted, fdisk…)
[07:17] <seb128> :-/
[07:18] <didrocks> because if you dd the iso, it complains about the partition table not being aligned
[07:18] <didrocks> (same with disks)
[07:18] <seb128> urg
[07:18] <didrocks> tried xubuntu and lubuntu (for debugging the plymouth thing)
[07:18] <seb128> I use disks and it works usually
[07:18] <didrocks> you don't try to create another partition though?
[07:18] <didrocks> to add persistency
[07:19] <didrocks> (creating an usb live is fine, it's just after when you want to add persistency that it's failing)
[07:19] <didrocks> so… I can't even debug this plymouth thing (as I need to reboot asking more debug info to plymouth) :/
[07:19] <didrocks> I could probably break on casper-bottom and changing the file manually, but if I need to reboot, that will become tedious
[07:25] <seb128> no I didn't try to add persistency
[07:26] <seb128> (sorry, had to move, we have some worked over to fix an issue with water on the balcony)
[07:26] <didrocks> no worry!
[07:31] <xnox> morning people
[07:31] <didrocks> hey early xnox :)
[07:32] <xnox> didrocks, yeah was up since 6:50 or so.
[07:32] <didrocks> didn't beat me (even with the time diff), but still good time ;)
[07:33] <didrocks> good, at least, I get now why the text theme in flavors isn't working
[07:34] <seb128> hey xnox
[07:36] <xnox> seb128, i think there is a gdcm transition entangled into mono.
[07:36] <xnox> as it needs to be considered...
[07:36] <seb128> yeah, of course, wouldn't be fun otherwise right?
[07:36] <seb128> :-(
[08:03] <Trevinho> Hello mates!
[08:12] <seb128> hey Trevinho! how are you?
[08:13] <didrocks> hey Trevinho!
[08:16] <seb128> pitti, hey, with run-autopkgtest, is the trigger the candidate package or one of the rdepends it impacts?
[08:16]  * seb128 is lost with those things
[08:19] <Trevinho> Hi seb128 and didrocks!
[08:24] <didrocks> Unpacking libpython2.7-minimal:ppc64el (2.7.11-2) ...
[08:24] <didrocks> dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: compressed data is corrupt
[08:24] <didrocks> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess <decompress> returned error exit status 2
[08:24] <didrocks> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libpython2.7-minimal_2.7.11-2_ppc64el.deb (--unpack):
[08:24] <didrocks>  cannot copy extracted data for './usr/lib/python2.7/re.py' to '/usr/lib/python2.7/re.py.dpkg-new': unexpected end of file or stream
[08:24] <didrocks> nice!
[08:29] <didrocks> seems to have been transient, a give back worked
[08:36] <duflu> Trevinho, maaate
[08:53] <andyrock> morning
[08:56] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[08:56] <didrocks> good morning andyrock
[09:02] <Laney> mewwwwww
[09:03] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:03] <didrocks> Trevinho: hum, seems that lp:unity doesn't match what's in the xenial archive, does it?
[09:03] <didrocks> (no 7.4.0+16.04.20151211-0ubuntu1)
[09:03] <didrocks> nothing in bilbetto
[09:03] <didrocks> I was thinking it was doing merge and clean automatically?
[09:04] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:05] <Laney> hey didrocks & seb128!
[09:05] <Laney> how goes?
[09:05] <seb128> Laney, good! and you?
[09:06] <didrocks> good good :)
[09:06] <Laney> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm not bad
[09:06] <Laney> I thought I had a bike meeting last night
[09:06] <Laney> checked my phone as I was next to the door
[09:06] <Laney> and it was not :(
[09:07] <didrocks> argh :/
[09:07] <Laney> so I was like ¬_¬
[09:07] <Laney> planned to be out all evening
[09:07] <Laney> so watched the first episode of "the man in the high castle" on streaming instead
[09:08] <seb128> well, at least you didn't get cold!
[09:08] <seb128> what happened to the bike meeting?
[09:08] <seb128> wrong day?
[09:08] <pitti> hey Laney!
[09:08] <Laney> next week
[09:09] <Laney> would have gone climbing instead but it was too late!
[09:09] <Laney> hi pitti!
[09:09] <Laney> you ok?
[09:09] <larsu> good morning!
[09:09] <didrocks> morning larsu
[09:09] <larsu> hi didrocks! How are you?
[09:11] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:11] <seb128> hey larsu
[09:11] <Laney> morgen larsu
[09:11] <didrocks> Laney: I'm good, thanks, you?
[09:11] <larsu> haha nice email seb128! How are you?
[09:11] <larsu> hi Laney!
[09:11] <larsu> sup?
[09:11] <Laney> looks foggy
[09:11] <seb128> larsu, I'm better thanks :-) what about you? managed to avoid the cold?
[09:11] <Laney> I want some kind of coloured lights in here
[09:12] <Laney> to brighten the place up
[09:12] <Laney> maybe a lava lamp
[09:12] <larsu> didrocks: (replying to Laney's ping ;) ) I'm pretty good - throat is not worse than yesterday \o/
[09:12]  * didrocks see again blue sky, sun, and 14° this afternoon
[09:12] <larsu> took a lot of rest
[09:12] <Laney> 14°
[09:12] <Laney> SICKENING
[09:12] <larsu> seb128: I don't think I'm over it, but at least it's not worst
[09:12] <didrocks> yeah, quite unusual
[09:12] <larsu> *worse
[09:12] <Laney> it is about 9 here I think
[09:13] <didrocks> which is quite high, the average maximum at that period is 7 here
[09:13] <seb128> is anybody else having issue with canonical infrastructures?
[09:13] <didrocks> vpn and s-jenkins works here
[09:13] <Laney> laney@snakefruit:~$ echo hi seb128
[09:13] <Laney> hi seb128
[09:13] <seb128> hum, it's just slow
[09:13] <larsu> cute :)
[09:14] <seb128> Laney, pitti, I'm probably just too stupid to use that tool right, but what is wrong with "run-autopkgtest -s xenial -a amd64 --trigger=gvfs/1.26.2-1ubuntu1 libgdata"?
[09:14] <Laney> why do you think it's wrong?
[09:14] <seb128> because http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/gvfs/xenial/amd64/ didn't get updated
[09:15] <seb128> mot recent run is from 2:49 utc
[09:15] <Laney> you ran the libgdata test
[09:15] <seb128> I want to unblock http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#libgdata
[09:15] <seb128> what should have I  used?
[09:15] <seb128> the reverse?
[09:15] <Laney> yep
[09:15] <seb128> trigger=libgdata/0.17.4-1
[09:15] <Laney> do you have retry-autopkgtest-regressions?
[09:16] <Laney> from lp:ubuntu-archive-tools
[09:16] <Laney> run that and c+p the ones from there
[09:16] <seb128> thanks
[09:16] <seb128> I've a log where it says it's a big hammer to retry stack of failures
[09:16] <Laney> it just prints them
[09:16] <Laney> you pick the ones you want
[09:16] <seb128> k
[09:16] <seb128> thanks
[09:16] <seb128> good tip
[09:16] <Laney> I always typo the package name or the version or something when trying to do it manually
[09:16] <Laney> humans suck, up the machines
[09:16] <seb128> yeah
[09:17] <happyaron> looks ibus upstream now prefer ibus-libpinyin over ibus-pinyin in general
[09:17] <seb128> I wish we had some web clicky thing for that
[09:17] <seb128> hey happyaron!
[09:17] <Laney> there is a bug for that
[09:17] <Laney> ahoy happyaron
[09:17] <happyaron> hey guys, :)
[09:18] <Laney> 你好吗?
[09:18] <seb128>   File "./retry-autopkgtest-regressions", line 43, in get_regressions
[09:18] <seb128>     for arch, (state, _) in archinfo.items():
[09:18] <seb128> ValueError: too many values to unpack (expected 2)
[09:18] <seb128> BAH
[09:18] <happyaron> Laney: 我很好，谢谢
[09:19] <Laney> PIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIIII
[09:19] <didrocks> tititi ;)
[09:20] <pitti> seb128, Laney: sorry, got diverted
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: that command looks right
[09:20] <pitti> why would http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/gvfs/xenial/amd64/ get updated? you started a libgdata test
[09:20] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I reversed what the trigger and package are
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: ah, saw it in backlog now; all ok now?
[09:21] <seb128> pitti, right, I'm not familiar with the vocabulary
[09:21] <Laney> r-a-r crashes :)
[09:21] <seb128> I don't know what a "trigger" is
[09:21] <seb128> or what is the trigger and what is the triggered
[09:21] <seb128> and what Laney said
[09:21] <didrocks> trigger is the condition I guess ;)
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure#Re-running_tests explains it a bit, but I'm happy to expand on that
[09:22] <seb128> I though libgdata would trigger gvfs
[09:22] <seb128> but I guess it means libgdata is the trigger
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: so "--trigger=libgdata/0.17.4-1 gvfs": you run gvfs' tests with libgdata from -proposed
[09:23] <Laney> -            for arch, (state, _) in archinfo.items():
[09:23] <Laney> +            for arch, (state, _, _) in archinfo.items():
[09:23] <pitti> seb128: i. e. libgdata gets updated, and its reverse dependenies (like gvfs) get run against that new versrion
[09:23] <Laney> I guess it got an extra item at some point
[09:23] <pitti> seb128: so libgdata is the trigger ("why is this test run?") and gvfs the test
[09:23] <seb128> pitti, ok, thanks
[09:23] <pitti> Laney: eek, did I break run-autopkgtset yesterday?
[09:23] <pitti> Laney: ah, retry; will fix, sorry about that
[09:24] <Laney> bah
[09:24] <Laney> my session has failed to come up again
[09:24] <pitti> Laney: I'll robustify it
[09:25] <seb128> Laney, btw, we lost gnome-contacts from the iso, I guess it's because it was there through empathy recommends only, but it's not a wanted change?
[09:25] <seb128> Laney, do you have any error? how did you fix it yesterday?
[09:25] <Laney> seb128: don't know, maybe that is a good change
[09:25] <Laney> yesterday I tried again and it worked
[09:25] <seb128> what's the error when it doesn't?
[09:26] <seb128> is it compiz failing to load the unity plugin?
[09:26] <Laney> compiz (core) - Debug: Loaded plugin opengl from: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/compiz/libopengl.so
[09:26] <Laney> compiz (core) - Info: Starting plugin: opengl
[09:26] <pitti> Laney, seb128: fixed retry-autopkgtest-regressions (now works with any number of extra URLs), sorry about that
[09:26] <Laney> that is the last thing
[09:26] <Laney> pitti: thanks!
[09:26] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[09:26] <pitti> excuses.yaml now has both URLs to the package history as well as the direct link to the log file
[09:26] <pitti> (as part of exposing those on excuses.html)
[09:27] <seb128> Laney, where are those logged nowadays?
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: bug 1475491 FYI; it's just a lot of work as we need to put that behind SSO
[09:27] <pitti> and I have NFC about that
[09:27] <seb128> I don't understand, guest sessions have a gnome-session-Unity.log by mine doesn't
[09:27] <pitti> so if anyone has experience with that, I'm glad about help :)
[09:28] <seb128> pitti, I see
[09:28] <Laney> seb128: which?
[09:28] <Laney> I'm looking in unity7.log.1.gz which has a current timestamp
[09:28] <Laney> so I assume that is from now...
[09:28] <Laney> or maybeupstart just rotated it
[09:28] <seb128> Laney, my unity7.log has no plugins loading
[09:28] <seb128> but maybe it was rotated/cleaned
[09:28] <seb128> Trevinho might be able to help to debug
[09:28] <seb128> or andyrock
[09:29] <Laney> it has loads of compiz stuff
[09:29] <seb128> in what state is your session?
[09:29] <seb128> working nautilus but no unity UI?
[09:29] <Laney> no nautilus
[09:29] <seb128> ok, so not an unity issue
[09:30] <seb128> rather gnome-session?
[09:30] <Laney> it has the background from the greeter in a weird resolution
[09:30] <seb128> or upstart?
[09:30] <Laney> like it does for a second before nautilus starts
[09:30] <seb128> I guess you don't have a gnome-session-Unity.log in .cache/upstart?
[09:30] <seb128> anything interesting in syslog?
[09:30] <Laney> no gnome session anything
[09:31] <Laney> wait
[09:31] <Laney> no they're all old
[09:32] <seb128> I think those logs go to journal nowadays
[09:32] <seb128> didrocks, did you figure out what's going on with unity and why the recent landing was not merged back?
[09:32] <Laney> they -> gnome-session upstart
[09:33] <seb128> upstart job still output to .cache/upstart no?
[09:33] <seb128> I don't understand why my session has no gnome-session-Unity.log
[09:33] <seb128> where a guest has
[09:33] <seb128> I wonder if I'm not using upstart for some reason
[09:34] <didrocks> seb128: I'm still waiting on Trevhino
[09:34] <seb128> right
[09:34] <didrocks> didn't find the branch…
[09:34] <seb128> Treeevinnnnnhoooo
[09:34] <seb128> Trevinho, dude!
[09:34] <Trevinho> yeah...
[09:35] <didrocks> Trevinho: looking at IRC sometimes? :)
[09:35] <didrocks> 10:03:30  didrocks | Trevinho: hum, seems that lp:unity doesn't match what's in the xenial archive, does it?
[09:35] <didrocks> 10:03:41  didrocks | (no 7.4.0+16.04.20151211-0ubuntu1)
[09:35] <didrocks> 10:03:45  didrocks | nothing in bilbetto
[09:35] <didrocks> 10:03:55  didrocks | I was thinking it was doing merge and clean automatically?
[09:35] <Trevinho> didrocks: I was focused on finishing something, sorry... I ignored the popups :-P
[09:35] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah, it has not been merged yet since compiz in silo is not released yet
[09:36] <seb128> there is something weird with the ci website and jenkins
[09:36] <seb128> they seem to have lost history and have incomplete records
[09:36] <Trevinho> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/xenial/update_excuses.html#compiz
[09:36] <didrocks> Trevinho: I don't find this landing in the ci website, where is it?
[09:37] <seb128> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/# has no xenial unity landing
[09:37] <Trevinho> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/628
[09:37] <didrocks> it's not in the dashboard…
[09:37] <Laney> the only weird thing I can see is a kernel trace in the journal
[09:38] <didrocks> I'm not even able to decipher what's the landing state is
[09:38] <didrocks> ah, it's per component
[09:38] <didrocks> no indication of a global one
[09:39] <didrocks> robru: any idea why request 628 which isn't merged/fully landed isn't available on the dashboard? (index page) ^
[09:39] <didrocks> it's in migrating
[09:39] <robru> didrocks: we just had a catastrophic failure and restored from backups, lost about a day of data
[09:40] <didrocks> seb128: I guess it doesn't show up the migrating ones
[09:40] <seb128> didrocks, it does on https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/tickets?status=pocket
[09:40] <seb128> it's confusing
[09:40] <didrocks> yeah
[09:40] <seb128> "all" should include what it states
[09:40] <seb128> didrocks, Trevinho, I think it's fine to force merge that one, it's blocked due to s390x/mono/etc transitions
[09:41] <didrocks> robru: the weird part is that it's still showing up in migrating
[09:41] <seb128> not because of issues in the landing
[09:41] <didrocks> robru: so some data are duplicated at different places and not coherent perhaps?
[09:41] <didrocks> seb128: +1
[09:41] <Trevinho> Yeah, I didn't want to point this out not to bother, but I'd force the landing
[09:41] <robru> didrocks: what if the issue exactly? 628 is an old enough request it's not lost
[09:41] <didrocks> robru: it's not in the main page
[09:41] <seb128> didrocks, can you force merge it since you seem on it?
[09:42] <didrocks> seb128: I'm not even sure how to do that, can try :p
[09:42] <robru> didrocks: it's on the second page, it's paginated
[09:43] <robru> On the bottom it says "...
[09:43] <robru> didrocks: you should be able to run merge job, any core dev can
[09:43] <didrocks> robru: ah, it's paginated, ok, makes sense why we didn't see it
[09:44] <didrocks> yeah, it's running right now, thanks!
[09:44] <robru> Yw
[09:45] <didrocks> the "…older…" to me was more archived ones
[09:47] <didrocks> Trevinho: seb128: done
[09:47] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[09:48] <Trevinho> didrocks: nice
[09:48] <Trevinho> didrocks: as you know I'd love to get upstream and downstream to be always sinced, not when all the silo lands... But I understand the reasons why it's not doing that :)
[09:56] <Trevinho> robru:  	Uncaught exception: FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/jenkins/silos/ubuntu/landing-011/xenial/unity/unity_published.new ? :o
[10:02] <robru> Trevinho: hang on
[10:02] <robru> Trevinho: what request number?
[10:03] <Trevinho> robru: still 628
[10:04] <robru> Ugh, race condition
[10:05] <robru> Trevinho: its merged, it's done
[10:05] <robru> Trevinho: run the abandon job i guess if you want that error to go away
[10:22] <seb128> larsu, I don't think you replied yesterday, but still on the nautilus menubar? how is that going?
[10:23]  * larsu scrolls back
[10:23] <larsu> seb128: oh indeed - I overread because of the other ping. Yes, ongoing :(
[10:24] <seb128> larsu, any estimate how much more work is it? I'm working if it's starting being too much and should look for a plan B
[10:24] <larsu> seb128: no, I was just distracted by a lot of things
[10:25] <larsu> I finish it in the next days
[10:25] <seb128> thanks
[10:25] <seb128> I'm still working today and tomorrow
[10:26] <seb128> but I might connect and upload that on friday if you get it ready
[10:26] <seb128> I wanted to get that off my list before holidays if possible
[10:26] <larsu> got it
[10:26] <larsu> it's a gtk upload as well
[10:26] <seb128> Laney, I guess gnome-calendar is an after holidays at this point?
[10:26] <seb128> larsu, oh, ok
[10:27] <larsu> yeah, wasn't straight forward unfortunately :/
[10:39] <Laney> seb128: I filed the mir yesterday
[10:39] <Laney> so it is in the hands of those fine people
[10:39] <seb128> great
[10:48] <xnox> is gnome-calendar "california"
[10:48] <xnox> ?
[10:50] <larsu> nope
[11:03] <Laney> launch time
[11:45] <Laney> unity is warning about num lock?!?!?!
[12:46] <pitti> didrocks: ok, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure#Test_request_format now documents bzr and git support
[12:46] <pitti> didrocks: and git cloning works
[12:47] <pitti> didrocks: I ran "autopkgtest/run-from-checkout --git-source https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make.git" on the CI infra and it works fine
[12:47] <pitti> didrocks: to do a full run, is there some PPA of your's which I could run this against, to avoid cluttering the main Ubuntu test result container?
[12:48] <pitti> didrocks: i. e. the test dependencies will be satisfied from ubuntu + this PPA (you might not need them if your tests run against the code in git of course -- but it's still relevant for determining the result URL)
[12:56] <didrocks> pitti: \o/ you ROCK!
[12:56] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, please use ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make
[12:56] <pitti> didrocks: thanks, you too!
[12:56] <pitti> didrocks: should they run against trusty or xenial?
[12:56] <didrocks> pitti: there are some build tests dependencies in some ppa
[12:57] <didrocks> trusty for now (main target)
[12:57] <davmor2> didrocks: pitti is not a rock, he's an awesome person, you liar ;)
[12:57] <didrocks> ahah :)
[12:57]  * pitti teaches the concept of verbs to davmor2
[12:57] <didrocks> pitti: ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make-builddeps for trusty test deps
[12:59] <seb128> Laney, yeah, that feels buggy (num lock warning), want to open a bug about it?
[12:59] <seb128> I went wth about it as well
[12:59] <pitti> didrocks: oh erk
[12:59] <davmor2> pitti: good luck with that
[12:59] <pitti> didrocks: I just used the former
[12:59] <pitti> didrocks: ok, cancelling, and re-running
[12:59] <didrocks> pitti: you need both
[12:59] <pitti> didrocks: what's the difference between ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make-builddeps and ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make?
[12:59] <Laney> seb128: I guess it's useful on laptop keyboards
[12:59] <seb128> is it?
[13:00] <didrocks> pitti: ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make is the end consumer product, which ubuntu-make backported and it's deps
[13:00] <Laney> yes if it's making you type numbers instead of letters
[13:00] <didrocks> pitti: ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make-builddeps is additional tests dependencies when needing newer version
[13:00] <Laney> some of them have a num lock like that
[13:00] <seb128> Laney, it's confusing/buggy on external keyboards though
[13:00] <Laney> indeed
[13:00] <Laney> but I think the feature has good intentions :)
[13:00] <didrocks> but I prefer end users to not using theme as it's new version, possibly API breakage…
[13:00] <didrocks> like python3-requests 4.0 instead of 3.x
[13:00] <seb128> larsu, right, suboptimal implementation then, still worth a bug report :-)
[13:00] <pitti> 'ubuntu-make-trunk {"test-git": "https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make.git", "ppas": ["ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make-builddeps", "ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make"]}'
[13:00] <pitti> didrocks: ^ looks ok?
[13:01] <larsu> seb128: you mean Laney ?
[13:01] <pitti> didrocks: I somewhat arbitrarily call the test name "ubuntu-make-trunk", let me know if I should use something else
[13:01] <didrocks> pitti: perfect! (/me prefers the "master" rather than trunk term to match git, but yeah ;))
[13:01] <pitti> didrocks: the name only matters for the result path
[13:01] <pitti> didrocks: yes master!
[13:01] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[13:02] <seb128> larsu, yes, you people having a nickname starting with la*!
[13:02] <pitti> didrocks: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-ubuntu-make-master
[13:02] <seb128> :-)
[13:02] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, it's quite "amazing" that we ship (and use) python-requests by default :/
[13:02] <larsu> Laney: change your nick!
[13:02] <pitti> and with that -- c'est l'heure de dejeuner !
[13:02] <didrocks> sweet!
[13:02] <didrocks> pitti: bon appétit!
[13:02] <pitti> didrocks: merci !
[13:02] <seb128> pitti, bon'ap
[13:02]  * pitti will watch the 3rd episode of Breaking Bad
[13:03] <didrocks> heh, a new addict :-)
[13:03] <didrocks> pitti: liking it so far? :)
[13:03] <Laney> people need to three letter tab!
[13:03] <Laney> ask cjohnston
[13:26] <seb128> Trevinho, what was the rational to add that numlock warning? there is no bug report attached to the merge request
[13:43]  * didrocks declares online search to be now off by default (and related scope purged/demoted)
[13:43] <seb128> didrocks, well done!
[13:43] <didrocks> ;)
[13:44] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for transitionning the music lens to the new gee on the way as well
[13:44] <didrocks> seb128: no worry! it will be one less upload I guess ;)
[13:44] <seb128> indeed
[13:44] <didrocks> just need a publisher cycle for all removals and demotions to be taken into account, and we should be good
[13:51] <pitti> didrocks: yes, I do! pretty dark, though
[13:52] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, told you, better to be in a good mood for that one :)
[13:53] <Laney> heh
[13:53] <Laney> I made it to about 10 episodes
[13:53] <didrocks> Laney: you should have hang on, it's awesome! :)
[13:54] <didrocks> or rather, hook up stronger ;)
[13:55] <Laney> seems there's quite a lot of cool series out now
[13:55] <Laney> the amazon/netflix productions are pretty decent
[13:55] <didrocks> indeed
[13:55] <Laney> maybe one day I'll get back to breaking bad
[13:55] <Laney> :P
[13:55] <didrocks> as attente told me in China
[13:55] <didrocks> "I'm so jaleous, you don't know what's going to happen then" ;)
[13:55] <didrocks> (and he was write, the serie is more and more awesome)
[13:57] <cyphermox> yeah, so awesome they ended it and planning to start it again ;)
[13:58] <didrocks> cyphermox: you mean, not "better call saul", but something else?
[13:58] <didrocks> better call saul is really different, but quite descent :)
[13:58] <Laney> speaking of
[13:58] <didrocks> decent*
[13:58] <cyphermox> yeah, something else, with Walter White
[13:58] <Laney> lunch and an episode of high castle
[13:58] <Laney> laters ;-)
[13:58] <didrocks> nice! :)
[13:58] <didrocks> enjoy Laney
[13:58] <pitti> didrocks: https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-trusty-ubuntu-desktop-ubuntu-make?format=plain
[13:59] <pitti> didrocks: so in particular<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:01] <didrocks> pitti: good! so pep8 and small tests are running fine :)
[14:26] <desrt> hello desktopians
[14:27] <larsu> morning desrt
[14:28] <seb128> hey desrt
[14:29] <Trevinho> seb128: so... Numlock... Well, I found annoying when using a notebook computer where the TN is shared with the keyboard itself and the numlock  toggles it. I would have loved to get a way to detect that, but I don't think it exists.
[14:29] <desrt> good morning, larsu, seb128
[14:29] <seb128> Trevinho, right, see my comment, we tried in the past and reverted due to hardware sucking and users hating it
[14:29] <Trevinho> seb128: or... Maybe I could show the warning in different ways, so... Like making it semi-transparent when only numlock is there like a "ligher warning"
[14:29] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm unsure the situation changed
[14:29] <didrocks> good morning desrt
[14:29] <desrt> hey didrocks :)
[14:29] <Trevinho> lighter*
[14:30] <seb128> Trevinho, you can try, I predict that users are still going to hate it, numlock on is normal on a standard external keyboar
[14:30] <seb128> d
[14:30] <seb128> I disabled numlock a few time because of the warning
[14:30] <seb128> thinking my numlock was in wrong state
[14:31] <seb128> which in fact was no, I want it on
[14:31] <Trevinho> I do as well when docking...
[14:31] <seb128> see :-)
[14:31] <Trevinho> so... mh I understand that this might be complicated :-Pù
[14:31] <seb128> I gave some past upstream and downstream references on the bug on why that was reverted when tried
[14:32] <seb128> we can go through that feedback loop again though and see
[14:32] <mdeslaur> ohgawdplease no
[14:32] <seb128> haha
[14:32] <seb128> see :-)
[14:40] <Trevinho> seb128: I think keeping it at 30% opacity gives an idea without being a "strong" attention mark...
[14:40] <seb128> Trevinho, we can try
[14:40] <Trevinho> seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14027728/
[14:41] <Trevinho> seb128: ah for some reason I thought it was a question ("how we can try") :-P
[14:42]  * mdeslaur stars pre-emptively filing bugs and assigning them to Trevinho
[14:43] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: better than having to fill the bugs by myself :-)
[14:43] <mdeslaur> hehe
[14:50] <xclaesse> seb128, do you know where ubuntu configures gtk to have window buttons (close/maximize/...) on the left?
[14:50] <seb128> xclaesse, I think in the theme
[14:52] <seb128> or maybe it's a gsettings key
[14:52] <seb128> larsu or mitya57 probably remember
[14:53] <xclaesse> GtkHeaderBar takes "gtk-decoration-layout" property on GtkSettings
[14:53] <xclaesse> didn't find that in theme
[14:53] <xclaesse> I would like to extend that to be able to tell to skip all buttons when maximized
[14:54] <seb128> the index.theme has a ButtonLayout
[14:54] <seb128> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/ubuntu-themes/trunk/view/head:/Ambiance/index.theme#L12
[14:54] <seb128> hum, that's older
[14:54] <seb128> dunno
[14:56] <seb128> xclaesse, https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/ubuntu-themes/headerbar-fixes/+merge/200477
[14:56] <larsu> xclaesse: it takes it from gsettings
[14:57] <larsu> xclaesse: org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences button-layout
[14:57] <larsu> unity-settings-daemon watches that key and sets the xsetting
[14:58] <seb128> what larsu said I guess
[14:58] <larsu> seb128: I can't make the meeting today :( Sent you an email with the updates
[14:58] <seb128> need to go for a bit otherwise I'm going to be late for the meeting
[14:58] <seb128> brb
[14:58] <seb128> larsu, ok :-(
[14:58] <larsu> I'll be back later as well (but might be quite late)
[14:58] <seb128> k
[14:58] <seb128> have fun!
[14:58] <xclaesse> larsu, seb128, thanks !
[14:59] <xclaesse> my plan is to improve GtkHeaderBar's parser to accept format like "<buttons when windowed>;<buttons when maximized>"
[15:00] <xclaesse> so on ubuntu that would be "close,minimize,maximize:;"
[15:00] <xclaesse> meaning no button when max
[15:00] <larsu> interesting :)
[15:00]  * desrt ph33r
[15:01]  * xclaesse is just too lazy to introduce a new setting
[15:01] <desrt> good morning, xclaesse
[15:01] <xclaesse> I already patched ubuntu theme to make GtkHeaderBar look the same has a toolbar when window is maximized
[15:02] <xclaesse> that can be done with simple css
[15:02] <xclaesse> desrt, morning :)
[15:02] <xclaesse> gave a try to ubuntu 16.04, more headerbar everywhere... something needs to be done
[15:17] <desrt> xclaesse: interesting how you treat each dconfchangeset database separately
[15:17] <desrt> which, of course, makes a good deal of sense for serialise/deserialise
[15:18] <xclaesse> you mean for user and default values?
[15:18] <desrt> but i actually didn't expect you to use that on the reader side...
[15:18] <desrt> ya
[15:18] <desrt> for some reason i expected each key to be sent as a pair of (mvmv)
[15:18] <desrt> like a{s(mvmv)} or so
[15:19] <xclaesse> yeah, could have made my own type, but I just though it was easier to reuse changeset' serialize code
[15:20] <desrt> ya.  makes sense, i think.
[15:31] <seb128> hey desktopers
[15:31] <didrocks> hey hey seb128
[15:31] <seb128> #startmeeting
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 15 15:31:10 2015 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:31] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:32] <seb128> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko, laney, larsu (out), qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, robert_ancell (out), willcooke (out)
[15:32] <desrt> hello second in command!
[15:32] <seb128> :-)
[15:32] <seb128> ok, let's get rolling
[15:32] <seb128> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <seb128> andyrock, hey
[15:33] <andyrock> hey
[15:34] <andyrock> so my week
[15:34] <andyrock> * reviewed Trevinho's MP
[15:34] <andyrock> * reviewing the patch proposed by a community guy to improve search and launch of application from the dash
[15:35] <andyrock> \eow
[15:35] <andyrock> I should finish the review today or maximum tomorrow
[15:35] <andyrock> then I'll move to supporto "startup notification" in the dash
[15:36] <seb128> k
[15:36] <seb128> thanks andyrock
[15:36] <seb128> #topic attente
[15:36] <seb128> attente, hey
[15:37] <attente> hi all
[15:37] <attente> spent the week debugging and fixing the apparmor dconf and kernel patches which went stale due to upstream changes and submitted it to the mailing list, also think i might've found a kernel bug that should be easily fixable
[15:37] <attente> revisiting the popup menu refactoring stuff in gtk
[15:37] <attente> (eof)
[15:37] <desrt> attente: try to get in good with the kernel guys... i have a few more patches you can write when you're finished with these ones =)
[15:37] <attente> desrt: apparmor related or ...?
[15:38] <desrt> inotify, etc. :)
[15:38] <seb128> attente, hide!
[15:38] <desrt> you know... simple stuff
[15:38] <desrt> *cough*
[15:38] <attente> rofl. i guess not like the off-by-one error i found...
[15:38] <desrt> in security code?
[15:38] <attente> rhashtable code
[15:38] <desrt> cute.
[15:39] <seb128> :-)
[15:39] <seb128> thanks attente!
[15:39] <attente> thanks seb128!
[15:39] <seb128> I hope they are going to like the patches this time
[15:39] <seb128> next
[15:39] <seb128> #topic desrt
[15:40] <seb128> desrt, hey
[15:40] <desrt> hi
[15:40] <desrt> working on the dconf/gsettings stuff still
[15:40] <desrt> preparing a dconf release for today which will not break things
[15:40] <desrt> following that will be a glib release that will not break things (later in the week)
[15:40] <seb128> finger crossed!
[15:40] <desrt> after that, i think there is probably going to be some breakage
[15:40] <seb128> fingers even
[15:40] <seb128> haha
[15:40] <desrt> the gsettingsbackend interface is going to change in an incompatable way so there will need to be a lockstep upgrade between dconf and glib at some point
[15:40] <seb128> I see
[15:41] <desrt> i _may_ be able to preserve compatibility across the upgrade but i'm not sure it's worth it
[15:41] <Laney> "will" is a good word
[15:41] <desrt> considering this has always been considered a private interface and there is only one out-of-tree implementation of it
[15:41] <seb128> well, as long as you don't break anything existing users along the way...
[15:41] <desrt> it's only the backend interface that's changing
[15:41] <desrt> so ya... i'll sync up again when i know a bit more about exactly how it will go down
[15:41] <seb128> k
[15:42] <desrt> \end{week}
[15:42] <seb128> thanks desrt!
[15:42] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[15:42] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[15:42] <dgadomski> hey
[15:42] <dgadomski> Sorry, I don't have anything in particular to share this week. I was busy with non-desktop stuff.
[15:42] <dgadomski> thank you
[15:42] <seb128> no worry
[15:42] <seb128> thanks dgadomski
[15:42] <seb128> #topic didrocks
[15:42] <seb128> didrocks, hey :-)
[15:42] <didrocks> hey!
[15:42] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:42] <didrocks> - released Ubuntu Make 15.12 (features below).
[15:42] <didrocks> - jetbrains changed its website breaking us. Consequently, adapt to new jetbrains' website (after some poking, they are using client-side javascript), so found their API rather and using this which should be more stable. Adapt medium tests assets for this as well, fake certificates, as all IDEs based on it.
[15:42] <didrocks> - close the too many bugs opened (even after the fix) on this ^ :)
[15:42] <didrocks> - merged an external contributor's update to Unity3D. Fixe medium tests to work with this.
[15:42] <didrocks> - some cleanage on beautifulsoup warnings on xenial.
[15:42] <didrocks> Misc:
[15:42] <didrocks> - uploaded plymouth, and adapting all flavors community themes to it. Did some post-upload fixes. Still one flavor bug to fix (but know, understanding the issue).
[15:43] <didrocks> - registering Google Code In tasks and spent quite some time mentoring. We had one fix on unity in for now, 2 are in a good progress state, some will need more work…
[15:43] <didrocks> - worked on language support, fixup missing packages in some locales.
[15:43] <didrocks> - some AA duties like reviewed geonames, promoting/demoting some packages
[15:43] <didrocks> - MIR duties (a bunch of s390-related reviews + geonames)
[15:43] <didrocks> .
[15:43] <seb128> good week didrocks! (as usual ;-)
[15:43] <didrocks> thx ;)
[15:44] <seb128> thanks for the MIRs
[15:44] <Laney> MIR team is the best team
[15:44] <seb128> see the love :-)
[15:44] <seb128> ok, next
[15:44] <desrt> mir team?
[15:44] <Laney> that's Mir
[15:45] <seb128> desrt, the one that review things that go in main
[15:45] <didrocks> (yw on the MIR, but more people would be very welcomed ;))
[15:45] <seb128> #topic FJKong
[15:45] <desrt> seb128: i know ;)
[15:45] <seb128> FJKong, hey
[15:45] <FJKong> heyu
[15:45] <FJKong> hey
[15:45] <seb128> desrt, I see what you did :p
[15:45] <FJKong> sogou IM bug tracking:
[15:45] <FJKong> 1 restart after changing font size.
[15:45] <seb128> it's not friday yet!
[15:45] <FJKong> 2 sometimes it will crash after system suspend.
[15:45] <FJKong> 3 prepare new feature plan for next release.
[15:45] <FJKong> other:
[15:45] <FJKong> 4 trying building QtWebkit but not goes well.
[15:45] <FJKong> eof]
[15:45] <seb128> what's the issue with qtwebkit? and why do you need to build it?
[15:46] <FJKong> oh, I just want to try, for wechat
[15:46] <qengho> FJKong: I might be of assistance.
[15:46] <FJKong> qengho: nice
[15:47] <FJKong> let talk about it later
[15:47] <seb128> ok
[15:47] <seb128> I guess you can talk outside the meeting then
[15:47] <seb128> thanks FJKong
[15:47] <seb128> #topic happyaron
[15:47] <seb128> happyaron, hey? you sent me your summary so I guess not there ...
[15:47] <seb128> 1. Yet another libpinyin transition.
[15:47] <seb128> 2. OpenCC transition.
[15:47] <seb128> 3. Update of fcitx family.
[15:47] <seb128> 4. Working on the mozc issue with unity-greeter.
[15:47] <seb128> #topic hikiko
[15:47] <seb128> hikiko, hey
[15:49] <seb128> oh, she's off according to the week summary email
[15:49] <seb128> and willcooke didn't fwd me the status he got
[15:49] <seb128> so next I guess
[15:49] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:49] <seb128> Laney, hey
[15:49] <Laney> hi
[15:49] <Laney> • short week & weird week - off friday & in london office thursday
[15:49] <Laney> • file gnome-calendar mir and document some issues to fix later
[15:49] <Laney> • upload new gtk 3 and gtk 2, massage tests until they go in
[15:49] <Laney> • massage for dbus too
[15:49] <Laney> • new libgdata
[15:49] <Laney> • uploads for bullet/gdal/stuff transition which in the end got traded off for a load of new uninstallables in the release, help fix some of those
[15:49] <Laney> • debug some s390x issues, fix some but mainly pass them over to my mentee xnox
[15:49] <Laney> • some fixes for mono transition, to debian and ubuntu
[15:49] <Laney> • start working on gstreamer
[15:49] <Laney> • some small fixes for geonames including LP project admin, found an LP bug while doing that
[15:49] <Laney> ☄
[15:50]  * didrocks wonders if he shouldn't /nick dbus to get a massage from Laney
[15:50] <Laney> you want a massage?
[15:50] <seb128> haha
[15:50] <qengho> Ew.
[15:50] <seb128> from crucher?!
[15:50] <Laney> that can be arranged
[15:50] <Laney> step over to my private room
[15:50] <didrocks> ahah :)
[15:50] <pitti> oh la la
[15:50]  * Laney puts some barry white on
[15:50] <desrt> ...
[15:50]  * didrocks escapes then
[15:50]  * Laney actually does do that
[15:51] <seb128> enjoy the music! :-)
[15:51] <seb128> thanks Laney
[15:51] <desrt> is this why we don't have sprints anymore? :)
[15:51]  * Laney is reminded of ally mcbeal
[15:51] <seb128> #topic larsu
[15:52] <seb128> who is watching his niece and not IRC, but he sent his update!
[15:52] <seb128> - modify the blurry-screenshot patch according to company's input
[15:52] <seb128> - help out with some issues noticed while doing the MIR for geonames
[15:52] <seb128> (thanks seb128)
[15:52] <seb128>   - look into making the timezone popover in control center less jiggly
[15:52] <seb128>   - look into apparent slowness of the popover on slower machines / hard
[15:52] <seb128>   drives, but couldn't reproduce yet (reported by seb128)
[15:52] <seb128> - nautilus :/
[15:52] <seb128> - reviews/bugs as usual
[15:52] <seb128> #topic qengho
[15:52] <seb128> qengho, hey
[15:52] <qengho> Hi hi.
[15:52] <qengho> Just one thing.
[15:53] <qengho> * Working on new upstream chromium release & xdg-utils
[15:53] <seb128> ah, I was going to ask about xdg-utils
[15:53] <seb128> saw that it still didn't get an upload
[15:53] <seb128> let us know when you need sponsoring review again
[15:53] <qengho> Yeah. It should be easy. I'll ask for sponsor tomorrow.
[15:54] <Laney> theeeeeere's no way they could have made two
[15:54] <qengho> Er, not upstream again.
[15:54] <qengho> Just my dist patches.
[15:54] <seb128> Laney, :-)
[15:55] <seb128> qengho, well, that's the one didrocks reviewed and asked you to rebase on the archive upload right?
[15:55] <seb128> or the debian update
[15:55] <qengho> Yes.
[15:55] <seb128> k
[15:55] <seb128> well, let us know when it's ready for a new review round
[15:55]  * qengho nods.
[15:55] <seb128> thanks qengho
[15:56] <seb128> #topic seb128
[15:56] <seb128> • reviewed, tweaked, uploaded geonames (thanks didrocks for the NEW review!)
[15:56] <seb128> • debugged a bit nautilus segfault issues/provided info upstream
[15:56] <seb128> • reviewed/landed unity-control-center use of the new geonames
[15:56] <seb128> • landed unity-settings-daemon fix from diwic
[15:56] <seb128> • travelled to London for a day for design meetings
[15:56] <seb128> • tested e-d-s oauth changes from 3.19, doesn't solve our issue
[15:56] <seb128> • restored g-s-d cursors plugin schemas to fix u-s-d corresponding code
[15:56] <seb128> • updated nautilus
[15:56] <seb128> • updated evolution-indicator to not use gtkhtml (deprecated and removed from Debian)

[15:56] <didrocks> oh gtkhtml is gone for good!
[15:56] <seb128> yep!
[15:56] <didrocks> nice :-)
[15:56] <seb128> evo using webkit now even for composing ;-)
[15:57] <Laney> my shotwell patches to port to wk2 got pushed
[15:57] <didrocks> one less parser duplication in distro :)
[15:57] <seb128> ok, next is ...
[15:57] <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark1
[15:57] <didrocks> (10 more to come ;))
[15:57] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, hey!
[15:57] <Laney> going to look at the state of that again after holidays
[15:58] <seb128> Laney, oh, they did? I though it was an "inspiration" patch but not a fully working version?
[15:58] <seb128> it means shotwell has a new maintainer as well?
[15:58] <Laney> there were a few tweaks but seems like it was mostly ok
[15:59] <Laney> nah, just someone wanting to get stuff off webkit1
[15:59] <seb128> k
[15:59] <seb128> no Sweet5hark1 again I guess...
[16:00] <seb128> k, seems not
[16:00] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[16:00] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[16:00] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.4.0 upstream with
[16:00] <tkamppeter>    - Support for Braille printers via CUPS
[16:00] <tkamppeter>    - Security fix in foomatic-rip
[16:00] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Packaged and commited to Debian GIT repo.
[16:00] <tkamppeter> - Committed fix for /etc/init/cups.override on the phone as merge proposal to lxc-android-config
[16:00] <tkamppeter> - MIR for openjpeg (Ghostscript/Poppler) will be done by Security team end of January.
[16:00] <tkamppeter> - Question: The Braille support in cups-filters needs liblouisutdml-bin which is in Universe (needs MIR and I do not know whether Security team has still a slot for 16.04) and perhaps more MIRs for dependencies. Should I separate Braill as optional binary package? Or should we do the MIRs?
[16:01] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[16:01] <seb128> tkamppeter, is that a build-time requirement or only runtime?
[16:03] <seb128> ok, let's discuss that after the meeting
[16:03] <seb128> I don't know how much that feature is requested
[16:04] <seb128> but it's probably not something we need on the default installation/main
[16:04] <seb128> universe supported splitted out would probably be good enough
[16:04] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[16:04] <seb128> #topic other topics?
[16:04] <seb128> (sorry I don't have status updates from others, willcooke didn't fwd me those)
[16:04] <Trevinho> seb128: /me
[16:05] <seb128> arg
[16:05] <seb128> sorry
[16:05] <Trevinho> np
[16:05] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[16:05] <seb128> hey :-)
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Removed gconf backend from compiz
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Fixes in the nautilus-launcher integration.
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Fixed compiz build failure caused by new pkg-config handling of quotes in variables and xorg-gtest
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Finalized new landing of bamf, compiz, nux and unity
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Fixed nautilus folders handler desktop file to open folders in new windows
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Use filemanager *WithTimestamp operations
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Add kind of \"ref-counting\" to key actions, so that they can't be ungrabbed if there are multiple customers.
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Final revew of Kylin lockscreen shield and other contributions
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Muted some a11y warnings spamming the logs when opening quicklists
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Fixed misalignment of maximized scaled windows
[16:05] <Trevinho> · And last, but most important... Joined the Canonical Xmas party in London
[16:05] <Trevinho> 
[16:05] <seb128> (sorry I worked from the previous week list where you were on national holidays)
[16:06] <seb128> gconf removed from compiz \o/
[16:06] <Laney> good joke
[16:06] <Laney> would chuckle at again
[16:06]  * Sweet5hark1 is late
[16:07]  * seb128 didn't get the joke (I think?)
[16:07] <seb128> thanks Trevinho
[16:07] <Laney> he escaped some quotes
[16:07] <seb128> ha!
[16:07] <seb128> he seems to know his public :p
[16:08] <seb128> now with compiz off the gconf list we are getting close from being able to ship the LTS without it on the iso
[16:08] <seb128> Sweet5hark1 promissed an updated libreoffice
[16:09] <Sweet5hark1> libreoffice 5.1 has no gconf upstream.
[16:09] <seb128> apturl needs fixing
[16:09] <seb128> and aisleriot can be dropped I guess
[16:09] <seb128> I'm going to fix apturl
[16:09] <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark1
[16:09] <seb128> hey, since you are there, you might have an update? ;-)
[16:10] <Sweet5hark1> - snappifying libreoffice:
[16:10] <Sweet5hark1> - got a build finished with some hacks from hell
[16:10] <Sweet5hark1> - some tests still fail, install not tested yet
[16:10] <Sweet5hark1> - its still huge
[16:10] <Sweet5hark1> EOF
[16:10] <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark1
[16:11] <seb128> since you mentioned 5.1 before, what's the status of that one?
[16:11] <seb128> when do you expect to see it landing in xenial?
[16:11] <ricotz> next week ;P
[16:12] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: as per upstream schedule https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#5.1_release
[16:12] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: we already have the current beta in the ppa for xenial
[16:12] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, well, our versions tracker shows that Debian has it in experimental
[16:12] <Laney> seb128 is allergic to red lines
[16:13] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: do you want to dump a beta to xenial?
[16:13] <seb128> Ahchoo
[16:13] <ricotz> please no
[16:13] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: note that betas do not even have l10n
[16:13] <seb128> ricotz, why not?
[16:13] <ricotz> the RC1 seems reasonable though
[16:14] <ricotz> seb128, we just have beta 1 in the ppa
[16:14] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, I trust you, whenever you think is right
[16:14] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: yeah. not yet ;)
[16:14] <seb128> anyway, no need to block the meeting on that dicussion
[16:14] <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark1
[16:14] <ricotz> and this is kind of a critical element to use ;)
[16:14] <seb128> #topic other topics
[16:14] <seb128> ricotz, yeah, it's also an unstable distro
[16:14] <seb128> not a production one
[16:15] <seb128> we don't want to make things not work
[16:15] <seb128> but we also want early feedback and not being overconservative
[16:15] <Laney> last meeting of the year
[16:15] <Laney> happy holidays!
[16:15] <ricotz> (I know, still there are reasons for it to be beta ;P)
[16:15] <seb128> indeed, I was going to say
[16:15] <didrocks> who is there next week?
[16:15] <didrocks> o/
[16:15] <seb128> happy holidays everyone!
[16:15] <ricotz> hohoho
[16:16] <didrocks> here*
[16:16] <Laney> didrocks: you are?
[16:16] <didrocks> yep
[16:16] <Laney> going to be quiet for you I think :)
[16:16] <didrocks> seems so :)
[16:16]  * Laney will watch your webcam to make sure you are working
[16:17] <didrocks> Laney: guess which finger am I showing up to you right now? :)
[16:17] <Laney> thumb
[16:17] <didrocks> I am*
[16:17] <Laney> pointing upwards
[16:17] <didrocks> sure sure :)
[16:17] <seb128> from hr.c.c there are not so many people off
[16:17] <didrocks> many other didn't set it in the calendar or are not reading the meeting :)
[16:17] <Laney> the mail said assume everyone is off
[16:17] <seb128> robert&luke&laney&attente&sweetshark&willcooke&me
[16:17] <Laney> so I guess that at least means there is no meeting
[16:18] <seb128> right
[16:18] <seb128> no meeting
[16:18] <desrt> fascinating
[16:18] <seb128> but it seems half the team is still working
[16:18] <desrt> see you all next year :)
[16:18]  * Laney group hug
[16:18] <seb128> ok, let's wrap on that
[16:18] <seb128> #endmeeting
[16:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 16:18:28 2015 UTC.
[16:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-12-15-15.31.moin.txt
[16:18] <Laney> keep an eye on telegram
[16:18] <seb128> thanks everyone
[16:18] <Laney> for pix
[16:18] <seb128> :-)
[16:18] <Laney> like the one I just sent
[16:18] <didrocks> thanks guys!
[16:18] <attente> thanks
[16:20] <seb128> Laney, hehe, larsu should send one back from his niece!
[16:20] <Laney> consuming huge block of cheese
[16:21]  * desrt listening to snow day
[16:21] <Laney> snow would be good
[16:21] <desrt> no kidding
[16:21] <seb128> Laney, what webkitgtk users are still needed porting if we drop s-c?
[16:21] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng5
[16:21] <desrt> we've had double-digits here :(
[16:21] <Laney> these temperatures are mad
[16:21] <seb128> same here
[16:21] <seb128> wth with winter
[16:22] <desrt> http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-128_metric_e.html
[16:22] <desrt> currently 10°c.  wtf.
[16:22] <desrt> oo!  -1 on saturday!!
[16:22] <seb128> the only good part about that is that the drive for holidays is going to be easy
[16:22] <attente> xclaesse: i revised the apparmor patches, it'll probably take some time to review since it's holiday season, but it should look something like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14029227/ http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14029217/
[16:23] <tkamppeter> seb128, the dependencies for Braille are run-time dependencies, additional filters to turn formatted text into a Braille with transscription of the formatations.
[16:23]  * attente hopes for snow
[16:23] <Laney> seb128: software-center for the iso I think
[16:23] <Laney> we have devhelp and evolution in main at least too
[16:23] <seb128> I guess we could talk about demoting those
[16:23] <Laney> devhelp is on wk2 actually, probably just needs to move over
[16:23] <Laney> so evolution
[16:23] <Laney> that could probably go
[16:23] <tkamppeter> seb128, I think I will split the binary packages to get a separate cups-filters-braille package and this one can stay in Universe.
[16:24] <seb128> tkamppeter, I would split the binary and have the braille support in universe then
[16:24] <seb128> tkamppeter, good choice
[16:24] <didrocks> tkamppeter: sounds like the best bet
[16:24] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[16:24] <Laney> I think anyway, will look next* week
[16:24]  * Laney has a calendar reminder for that
[16:24] <xclaesse> attente, looks good to me, thanks
[16:24] <xclaesse> attente, in the meantime I wrote a simple keyfile
[16:24] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: checking schedules and my vacation 5.1.0~rc1 in the second week of january might be a good goal for xenial. addendum for the weekly report: also bumped the ppa to 4.4.7 upstream release for vivid.
[16:25] <tkamppeter> seb128, unfortunately, themuso is already EOY, otherwise we could ask him about the importance of the Braille printing support and about whether he would run the MIRs if he wants it in Main.
[16:26] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, k, thanks
[16:27] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, I wouldn't bother much about vivid at this point, it's neither current stable nor a LTS
[16:27] <seb128> tkamppeter, yeah, I'm unsure he knows how common those printers are though ... let's split to universe to start and we can discuss MIR if somebody makes a case for promoting
[16:28] <seb128> Laney, do you have a Debian desktop install fs handy?
[16:28] <attente> xclaesse: there's also a way to "yes-no" query if a particular path is readable/read-writable, but i guess you don't really need it. but it should be available if your requirements change (this is all pending the review, of course)
[16:28] <tkamppeter> seb128, OK.
[16:29] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: yeah. 4.4.7 was an extra dot release. usually .6 would have been the last. However, my 4.4.7 build is also the base for ricotz backports to trusty/precise. Easy to just do that than to have nagging mails why the last 4.4 release is missing.
[16:29] <xclaesse> attente, awesome
[16:29] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, right, if it's not too much work...
[16:29] <xclaesse> attente, can you give me the link to the new patches please?
[16:29] <xclaesse> attente, does it need kernel side patches as well?
[16:29] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: one only ever knows after the fact, but this one was quick ;)
[16:30] <attente> xclaesse: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/apparmor/2015-December/008939.html
[16:30] <tkamppeter> seb128, how can I let cups-browsed have different default settings (in /etc/cups/cups-browsed.conf) on the phone and on the desktop?
[16:30] <Laney> seb128: a filesystem?
[16:31] <xclaesse> attente, thanks
[16:31] <attente> xclaesse: yes, there is a kernel patch (in that mail). it applies on the xenial kernel, but i haven't tried to apply it on the upstream one. i doubt that would work...
[16:31] <xclaesse> attente, what tool are you using for fetching those patches?
[16:32]  * xclaesse is always surprised that in 2015 we still don't share patches as a real git branch
[16:32] <attente> xclaesse: for the apparmor user space, you can apply them on the upstream bazaar branch after doing a git init in the directory
[16:33] <attente> it sucks, but it's what i did to produce them in the first place...
[16:34] <mitya57> seb128, xclaesse: code in that merge proposal is no longer actual, nowadays gtkheaderbar reads the layout from XSettings
[16:35] <mitya57> (and unity-settings-daemon reads the setting in gsettings, does some translation, and makes it available on XSettings)
[16:35] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I want to know what cursor themes are installed in /usr/share/icons and if they provide the icons for "progress" and "text"
[16:35] <seb128> Laney, so basically need a find on an unpack tree
[16:35] <seb128> no need of a running instance
[16:36] <seb128> is Debian doing live session isos nowadays?
[16:36] <seb128> mitya57, thanks, that's what larsu replied earlier
[16:39] <seb128> mitya57, just curious, but if python-keyring builds fine without python-fs couldn't you just drop that b-d in debian and have the package in sync?
[16:39] <xclaesse> mitya57, yep, got it, I'll work on it during my Christmas vacations
[16:39] <seb128> xclaesse, thanks for looking at that!
[16:39] <Laney> seb128: mine isn't clean
[16:40] <Laney> you can probably install task-gnome-desktop in a chroot th ough
[16:40] <seb128> unclean is probably fine
[16:41] <seb128> but if it's work don't bother, it's probably not worth it
[16:42] <seb128> trying to tell gedit upstream that those are "not standard" because our themes don't ship them is probably not going to be the right way anyway
[16:42] <seb128> we should probably fix our themes to have symlinks
[16:42] <seb128> seems like that's what fedora/adwaita does
[16:42] <seb128> like progress->left_ptr_watch
[16:42] <seb128> which all themes have
[16:43] <xclaesse> seb128, no promise, but it's getting on my nerves so I think I'll just stop complaining and just fix it :p
[16:43] <seb128> :-)
[16:43] <tkamppeter> seb128, see also Debian bug 808057
[16:44] <Laney> seems it's adwaita
[16:45] <seb128> k
[16:45] <seb128> tkamppeter, right, confirms what we said
[16:47]  * didrocks waves good evening and good night!
[16:48] <mitya57> seb128, https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/python-modules/packages/python-keyring.git/commit/?id=4d47c1c01e91f1172a4bbf88be32a04b168b1fd0
[16:48] <mitya57> I will upload 5.7.1 soonish, and sync that.
[16:48] <seb128> mitya57, great, thanks
[16:49] <qengho> Isn't there some way to make dpkg-source or something not unpack some files from the orig tarball? I only see some debian/source/options param to exclude some pattern on creation, but that's not what I want.
[16:52] <Laney> no
[16:52] <Laney> what do you want that for?
[16:53] <qengho> Laney: As of last week, Chromium ships with some binutils and compilers and such. I want to make sure I'm not using them, ever.
[16:55] <Laney> remove them in the clean target or repack the tarball you get from upstream
[16:55] <qengho> Laney: And I don't want to repack the orig tarball. I've gone out of my way to make sure I am not the weakest point if Large Government security agency wants to slip some backdoor into some big opaque software, so I check upstream checksums in build machines.
[16:55] <qengho> Okay. clean it is.
[17:08]  * qengho lunch
[17:15] <mterry> Is anyone else dogfooding webbrowser-app?  Looks like it's broken for me on xenial desktop now.  Just want confirmation
[17:16] <mterry> Doesn't seem to finish loading any page
[17:18] <seb128> let me try
[17:18] <seb128> is that unity7 or unity8 session?
[17:19] <seb128> mterry, wfm
[17:19] <seb128> on  unity7
[17:21] <mterry> seb128, unity7
[17:21] <mterry> humph
[17:22] <tkamppeter> seb128, splitting I have done now on Debian's GIT repo of cups-filters, so we only need to wait for the next release by Debian which will auto-sync into Ubuntu.
[17:24] <seb128> tkamppeter, well done!
[17:31] <seb128> wooot, Laney cleaning red lines ;-)
[17:36] <Laney> o\
[17:39] <tkamppeter> seb128, how can I let cups-browsed have different default settings (in /etc/cups/cups-browsed.conf) on the phone and on the desktop?
[17:41] <seb128> tkamppeter, try having a look to what they did with bluez, I'm unsure what's the best way, I think they do something like changing the code/scripts to load an alternative config is present and they install that alternative config in some touch package
[18:12] <ricotz> seb128, hi, are you available to sponsor a merge of gettext?
[18:15]  * Trevinho waves... And goes decorating the xmas tree!
[18:17] <seb128> ricotz, I can do that
[18:17] <seb128> Trevinho, have fun, post a photo for us on the group once you had it decorated ;-)
[18:18] <ricotz> seb128, great, ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gettext/+bug/1526373 -- it is still building though -- https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/5776623/+listing-archive-extra
[18:18] <seb128> ricotz, ok, I have a look in a few minutes
[18:18] <seb128> thanks for working on that!
[18:18] <ricotz> yeah, quite an important one ;)
[18:27] <tkamppeter> seb128, I did not see anything in bluez which makes a difference between desktop and phone.
[18:44] <seb128> tkamppeter, try asking morphix
[19:12] <qengho> I'm digging the progress bar on apt-get invocations.
[19:20] <tkamppeter> seb128, morphix or morphis?
[19:21] <tkamppeter> seb128, Simon Busch?
[19:23] <seb128> tkamppeter, yes
[20:36] <tkamppeter> On a merge proposal I got the answer "Review: Approve; LGTM but needs proper landing through the citrain", what do I have to do now?
[20:49] <desrt> xnox: didn't realise you were back.  welcome :)