[00:19] <xrdodrx>  BurnZeZ, what do you mean by "refuses"?
[00:20] <xrdodrx> It's an option in preferred applications
[00:20] <Unit193> xrdodrx: If he sets that, Gigolo for exampole will still use Thunar
[00:22] <xrdodrx> Unit193, I see
[01:14] <BurnZeZ> It shows Nautilus as being selected, but is still using Thundar.
[01:16] <Unit193> Try hitting the folder icon in the bottom panel (In 11.04)
[01:26] <Unit193> BurnZeZ: Did you try that?
[02:05] <BurnZeZ> Unit193: Hmm. Yeah, it seems to work through that.
[02:05] <BurnZeZ> Am I mistaken in the belief that Nautilus will be called when clicking on a desktop icon?
[02:06] <Unit193> Yep, thunar will be
[02:09] <xubuntu156> duvida rapida porfavor
[02:09] <xubuntu156> demora quanto tempo +- para instalar o xubuntu
[02:35] <BurnZeZ> Argh. That's quite the nuisance.
[03:23] <slipkid08> what are some cool terminal apps?
[03:25] <charlie-tca> weechat
[03:26] <slipkid08> is that IRC?
[03:29] <Unit193> Alpine, irssi, Newsbeuter, Finch, etc.
[03:30] <slipkid08> what's alpine?
[03:31] <Unit193> !info alpine
[03:32] <slipkid08> cool
[03:32] <slipkid08> I'm using mutt
[03:41] <Unit193> Guess he can't use terminal programs now... ^^
[03:42] <charlie-tca> heh
[05:01] <xubuntu249> kök
[05:27] <jrmy> does perl come with xubuntu?
[05:30] <jrmy> nvm
[05:32] <jrmy> I'll try harder to help myself.. linux is still kind of alien to me, but I've started reading more docs on ubuntu and stuff
[05:33] <jrmy> suppose I'll even try and fix my desktop problem myself since I didn't resolve that last time
[05:33] <jrmy> 'if i don't try myself why should you help me?'
[08:47] <Daew> Hello
[08:50] <TheSheep> hi Daew
[08:50] <Daew> I selected my language for keyboard and everything is working correctly, except that I am unable to write @ (I had to copy it now), does anyone know how could that happen and what can I do to fix it?
[08:50] <Daew> and also some other characters..
[08:51] <TheSheep> that's weird
[08:51] <TheSheep> what language is that?
[08:51] <Daew> Slovenian
[08:52] <TheSheep> did you also choose the right keyboard model?
[08:52] <Daew> I have generic 104-key selected
[08:53] <TheSheep> Daew: looks like on the slovenian keyboard you get @ with gr alt+V
[08:53] <jrmy> how do I set up my mouse buttons?
[08:54] <TheSheep> jrmy: set up?
[08:54] <TheSheep> jrmy: they should work out of the box
[08:55] <jrmy> my middle mouse button does'nt work correctly
[08:55] <Daew> Oh, thank you. It is different than on then other os then. Where did you find this (so I can check for other characters)?
[08:55] <jrmy> instead of the auto scroll on pages it does nothing from what i can tell
[08:56] <jrmy> it does paste text though...
[08:56] <jrmy> highlighted text
[08:56] <TheSheep> Daew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Bosnian.2C_Croatian.2C_Serbian_Latin_and_Slovene
[08:56] <Daew> ty
[08:56] <TheSheep> jrmy: yeah, that how mouse buttons on linux work
[08:56] <jrmy> no auto scroll?
[08:56]  * jrmy cries
[08:56] <TheSheep> Daew: you may want to try other layout variants
[08:57] <TheSheep> jrmy: "autoscroll"?
[08:57] <TheSheep> jrmy: I'm sure that there is a browser plugin that does it
[08:57] <jrmy> i think it's called universal scroll
[08:57] <jrmy> or something.. you middle click and then move a direction and it will scroll that way
[08:57] <Unit193> Ah, I know how to fix that in FF :P
[08:58] <jrmy> i do have a wireless logitech mouse
[08:58] <TheSheep> Daew: for example, the polish keyboard layout has the polish keyboard, which has all the letters in wrong places, and the polish (programmers), which is like the us kayboard, but you get the polish accented characters by holding down alt
[08:58] <TheSheep> Daew: I'd guess it's similar in your case
[08:59] <Daew> oh
[09:00] <Daew> I the Slovenian keyboard I cant get characters that should be on altgr + numbers
[10:47] <Fudge> whts the menu command? xfce4-popup-menu?
[10:47] <Sysi> *applicationsmenu
[10:49] <Sysi> terminal autocompletion is good with winding things like that
[10:49] <Sysi> finding
[10:51] <Fudge> Sysi  was that in answer to me?
[10:52] <Sysi> yes
[10:52] <Fudge> its not working
[10:52] <Fudge> i cant just click on the menu, need to go make a shortcut for it
[10:53] <Fudge> thought there was a default key binding now for the menu popup
[10:53] <Sysi> well open terminal and type xfce4-popup and press tab twice
[10:53] <beardygnome> Ctrl-Esc should work
[10:54] <Sysi> if you're pre-natty
[10:54] <Fudge> its natty
[10:54] <Fudge> ill try both thanks
[10:55] <Fudge> everything is openning in web broser
[10:55] <Fudge> browser
[10:55] <jrmy> i dont think this should happen http://paste2.org/p/1582373
[10:56] <jrmy> but I tried running dmesg.. not that i know what it does.. but yeah
[10:56] <jrmy> i was trying to follow instructions to see what my computer sees my psp as.. if it even connects
[10:58] <jrmy> it looks lik eits my vga controller that has an issue.. but anyways do any of you know where i can get help connecting my psp to my computer via #channel
[10:58] <bazhang> !alis | jrmy try this
[11:06] <n2diy> my box is really dragging, top shows Xorg using 85% of my CPU, ideas?
[11:08] <jrmy> what's your specs?
[11:09] <n2diy> 1.8ghz cpu with 1.5g of ram.
[11:09] <Sysi> reboot and if it still happens, tell us your graphics card model
[11:10] <n2diy> logging out, and back in will clear it up, it does this about once a week.
[11:10] <Sysi> xorg is like that, you can get about week of uptime for it
[11:13] <n2diy> Well, it never used to do this, but of course I can't pin down when it started to act up, so I have no clue as to what is causing it.
[11:15] <n2diy> This is the first box I'm using with the Ext4 file system, but if that was the problem, I would think it would be hogging mem and/or swap?
[11:15] <Sysi> general badness afaik, or some driver
[11:16] <n2diy> oh well, might as well log out, brb.
[12:04] <jrmy> how do install themes?
[12:04] <jrmy> seems some things are easier in ubuntu
[12:38] <jrmy> is there a community documentation site like the ubuntu one for xubuntu?
[12:39] <jrmy> can't find anything to help me with learning more on how to better equip myself for use with this distro
[12:39] <jrmy> I prefer xfce over gnome so I'm not going to switch to ubuntu
[12:40] <jrmy> looking for another xfce based distro is probably just a stupid idea seeing as I haven't got enough experience with linux as it is
[12:40] <charlie-tca> Since Xubuntu uses the same gtk base as Ubuntu, most of the Ubuntu documentation will apply
[12:40] <knome> ubuntu one is not suppoed to work with xubuntu
[12:41] <jrmy> how do i change a theme if xubuntu and ubuntu are different?
[12:41] <jrmy> and the guide telle ms how to do it on ubuntu
[12:41] <charlie-tca> !themes
[12:41] <jrmy> tells*
[12:41] <knome> menu -> settings -> settings manager -> appearance for gtk theme, window manager for xfwm theme
[12:42] <charlie-tca> One more to fix
[12:42] <madnick> jrmy: appearance in Settings allows you to change theme
[12:42] <jrmy> how many of these directly install themes? I don't know how to install them manually if i'd have to
[12:42] <jrmy> I'm looking for more themes; I'm not satisfied with teh current ones
[12:43] <jrmy> if i could just make one from scratch I'd do that but it's probably difficult for my level of expertise
[12:43] <knome> jrmy, you can browse xfce-look.org for more themes
[12:45] <jrmy> is there issue with trying to install themes designed for gnome or other environments?
[12:47] <jrmy> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Aerolite?content=54127 how would i install this theme if it has a download link that gives me a .tar? i have no idea how this stuff works
[12:48] <jrmy> i read a thread that talked about a ~/.themes but this doesn't appear to exist
[12:48] <knome> !themes
[12:48] <knome> charlie-tca, ^ better?
[12:48] <knome> jrmy, just create .themes
[12:49] <knome> jrmy, any "gnome" gtk themes should work in xfce as well, but you need an xfwm theme for the window borders
[12:49] <jrmy> and how do I create a .themes?
[12:53] <knome> jrmy, like you would create a normal directory as well
[12:54] <knome> jrmy, in your home folder in thunar, right-click and select "create folder"
[12:55] <charlie-tca> yes, better
[12:57] <jrmy> didn't know about all of these hidden folders
[12:57] <jrmy> so i guess i extract a theme to .themes and it should appear in appearance>style
[12:58] <jrmy> as in the theme changer thing
[12:58] <charlie-tca> yup
[12:58] <charlie-tca> Most themes will have a README or text file telling you what to do with them
[13:00] <jrmy> not showing up
[13:01] <jrmy> It's probably because of that error with my desktop directory being my home directory and what not.. who knows what else might be out of wack on my computer
[13:01] <GridCube> hello jrmy
[13:01] <jrmy> ih
[13:01] <jrmy> hi*
[13:01] <GridCube> you still have problems?
[13:01] <jrmy> yeah
[13:01] <GridCube> i see
[13:02] <jrmy> getting a little aggravated
[13:03] <GridCube> edit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[13:04] <GridCube> to have XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/Desktop"
[13:05] <jrmy> hmm i guess it's all there this time besides that one
[13:05] <jrmy> then do I reboot?
[13:06] <jrmy> just wondering if theres another step
[13:07] <jrmy> GridCube
[13:07] <GridCube> yes rebooting seems good
[13:07] <GridCube> i guess that just reloging should do it too
[13:07] <GridCube> but rebooting sounds better
[13:08] <jrmy> ok
[13:08] <jrmy> brb
[13:11] <jrmy> ok.. for some reason I can't start Xorg now
[13:12] <jrmy> I think my computer hates me..
[13:12] <charlie-tca> jrmy: to be honest, it might be best to do a reinstall on that. You are starting to learn about linux, but doing it on a broken installation will be more confusing than starting fresh
[13:13] <GridCube> second
[13:13] <jrmy> another note.. I seem to get an error from a fresh install
[13:14] <GridCube> but he does have learn a lot this days XD
[13:14] <jrmy> idk what it says because it flashes for a seond and boots
[13:14] <jrmy> but it hasn't done this since
[13:15] <jrmy> probably because theres another error..
[13:15] <GridCube> there is a log for that sort of messages, i think its somewhere on /etc or somewhere like that
[13:15] <jrmy> does the amd64 vesrion have any bugs?
[13:15] <jrmy> heh.. for wanting a stable OS I haven't seem to be getting the best of luck
[13:16] <jrmy> so far everytime I've installed linux I start with some kind of error
[13:16] <jrmy> definitely see why they call it plug and pray
[13:16] <GridCube> then there is something wrong somewhere
[13:16] <jrmy> I know my vga card is kinda crappy
[13:17] <jrmy> but other then that everything else should be working fine.. on another note I don't quite have enough to replace it
[13:17] <jrmy> and seeing as I'm probably gonna be homeless at the end of teh month I should save every penny I got and not worry about my computer as much
[13:18] <jrmy> don't know what to do, really
[13:20] <GridCube> reinstall clean using the alternate cd so it wont ask for much ram while installing and usually ends well
[13:20] <jrmy> is the non live cd teh alternate?
[13:21] <GridCube> yes
[13:21] <jrmy> yeah that's what I installed with
[13:21] <jrmy> btw whats teh command to check my harddrive integrity?
[13:22] <jrmy> I'm wondering if it's gotten messwed up from the power shorts that happened a few days ago..
[13:23] <GridCube> mmm fsck
[13:24] <charlie-tca> all versions have logs, they are kept in /var/log
[13:24] <charlie-tca> for the installation, look in /var/log/installer
[13:24] <jrmy> so doulc i just nano that?
[13:24] <jrmy> could*
[13:25] <charlie-tca> for boot messages, look in /var/log/dmesg, /var/log/syslog, /var/log/xorg.0.log
[13:25] <jrmy> oh yeah dmesg gives me errors
[13:25] <charlie-tca> yes, you can read them in nano or mousepad or leafpad or any other editor
[13:26] <charlie-tca> Then if you copy and paste the errors to pastebin, we can tell you if they are real errors or not
[13:26] <charlie-tca> !pastebin
[13:26] <jrmy> if i could only run Xorg... lol
[13:27] <jrmy> it says stuff about radeon and compaq mv700 which are names of my video card and monitor
[13:27] <jrmy> yes.. i have a crt XI
[13:28]  * GridCube too
[13:29] <charlie-tca> Yeah, many times those are marked ERROR, but really are known fails or warnings
[13:29] <charlie-tca> Sometimes it even gives suggestions
[13:30] <jrmy> the errors say EDID checksum is invalid reminder is 20
[13:30] <charlie-tca> That's an okay type error
[13:30] <jrmy> seems to only be linked to my vga
[13:30] <jrmy> ok
[13:31] <charlie-tca> It just can't read the monitor specifications properly
[13:31] <jrmy> ah.. perhaps an older version of xubuntu could
[13:31] <jrmy> my monitor is preeeettty old...
[13:32] <GridCube> it shouldnt affect anything tho
[13:32] <GridCube> i've used black and white monitors whit xubuntu
[13:34] <jrmy> idk.. but could explain why the monitor goes into sleep mode if i try installing teh radeon driver from ubuntu
[13:35] <jrmy> as in right when xubuntu boots it goes black
[13:35] <jrmy> recovery mode or whatever its called might be a place i coudl fix it.. but I'm thinking thats way to advanced for me..
[13:36] <jrmy> don't even remember what I push to initiate it
[13:36] <jrmy> but anyways I guess I'm gonna reinstall xubuntu
[13:37] <jrmy> quit
[13:37] <charlie-tca> yeah, that is the reason for the black monitor. It isn't really going to sleep, but standby mode
[15:02] <jjsg82> hi all, a couple of weeks ago I installed xubuntu and now I want to install google gadgtes for linux, but do not know how, someone can help me. Thanks and regards
[15:15] <GridCube> not knowing what google gadgets are can't help you
[15:15] <GridCube> i recomendo googling it, if its google it surely has a help page
[15:18] <jjsg82> which widget can install in xfce?
[15:23] <Amacidia> Hey everyone, I have an exerex stepnote laptop and I just put xubuntu on it. What is happening is that I have to continiously move the mouse in order for the latpop to load into xubuntu. Any ideas why this might be happening?
[15:23] <Amacidia> Sorry, thats an Everex
[15:23] <GridCube> jjsg82: http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/wiki/HowToBuild
[15:26] <GridCube> Amacidia: thats really weird
[15:30] <GridCube> Amacidia: people installing *buntu flavors seem to have to do some tweeks for it to work on everex laptops, http://www.fitzenreiter.de/averatec/index-e.htm
[15:30] <GridCube> have done so?
[15:31] <GridCube>  http://poplarware.com/articles/everex_stepnote_linux
[15:44] <Amacidia> GridCube: Thanks for your response. Here is a link to a launchpad bug that is similar to what I am experiencing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/669535
[15:46] <GridCube> tried the BIOS shortcut they recomend?
[15:47] <Amacidia> GridCube: Reloading to defaults ? Yup, and that sort of worked, except now when I go to shutdown/reboot it just freezes :/
[15:48] <GridCube> mmm yes that might have to do whit gdm not working properly
[15:48] <Amacidia> GridCube: I guess it wouldn't hurt to try 10.04 on this and see how it works.
[15:49] <GridCube> what are you using now¿?
[15:49] <Amacidia> 11.04
[15:49] <GridCube> oh
[15:49] <GridCube> i see, well try it if you want
[16:49] <Amacidia> GirdCube: Seems that 10.04 is working fine, I'll stick with stable.
[20:03] <Anova> I got an LCD monitor a few days ago, and I wanted to use it as a 2nd monitor for my xubuntu 10.10 netbook. Everything is plugged in correctly and my computer doesn't detect it. This same monitor works as the monitor for my Xubuntu 10.10 desktop computer.
[20:03] <Anova> How can I get my computer to detect it?
[20:03] <Sysi> what netbook?
[20:03] <Anova> Samsung N150 Plus
[20:03] <Anova> I don't know much about the monitor though
[20:07] <Sysi> what if you run xrandr --auto
[20:08] <Anova> Thanks
[20:08] <Sysi> if you got it to light up, arandr or grandr are nice GUIs for xrandr
[20:09] <Anova> ok
[20:09] <Anova> So I just install those two...or run them>
[20:09] <Anova> ?
[20:10] <Sysi> just one of them is enough, not installed by default
[20:10] <Anova> ok
[20:11] <Sysi> (xrandr itself isn't very hard but gui is nice)
[20:11] <Anova> yeah GUI is nice
[20:14] <Anova> this is working
[20:15] <Anova> woo thanks
[20:15] <Sysi> np
[20:15] <Anova> And every time I turn on my computer do I just run this program?
[20:16] <Anova> Or does it not auto-save my configuration?
[20:18] <Sysi> arandr should be able to export script for setting that, you can out that to autostart
[20:18] <Anova> ok...
[20:18] <Anova> I see it saves in .sh files
[20:19] <Sysi> means bash-script
[20:19] <Anova> yep
[20:19] <Anova> And I just have to somehow figure out how to make it run the computer starts
[20:21] <Anova> oh duh...it was right in the settings manager...
[20:22] <Anova> And now I have to figure out the script to run
[20:24] <schijnndraeff> So, I installed Xubuntu to my laptop, changed the theme, and set it to log in automatically.  Now, when I start my laptop, all I get is a black screen with a mouse cursor, and I can't do anything.  Is there a way to get back to the login screen?
[20:27] <schijnndraeff> Oh, I should mention that this is in 10.4 for PowerPC.
[20:28] <Anova> Sysi, what is the script I should use to make the screen layout I made load when the computer starts?
[20:35] <xubuntu791> ligllkufuul
[20:36]  * Anova still wonders what he shuold put in the script
[20:41] <xubuntu791> ytdiyt
[20:46] <charlie-tca> schijnndraeff: probably a bad theme; look in ~/.config/xfce4 and ~/.cache and remove the parts applying to the themes
[20:46] <xubuntu791> anyone home?? I'm new to this mode.
[20:46] <charlie-tca> then restart
[20:46] <charlie-tca> xubuntu791: We do speak english here
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Welcome to Xubuntu, feel free to ask questions or just browse here.
[20:47] <Anova> ok now my computer is going crazy even more
[20:47] <Anova> oops wrong channel
[20:48] <xubuntu791> great, I speak english also. I am installing xubuntu now, and the installation program gave me a link to click on in order to go here...
[20:49] <charlie-tca> Yes, this is a live chat type network called Freenode.irc.net
[20:49] <charlie-tca> This channel is support for Xubuntu itself.
[20:49] <xubuntu791> So, I don't have much experience on IRC-I used it a few times around 1995 or so.
[20:49] <xubuntu791> tnx charlie.
[20:50] <charlie-tca> We intentionally added that link to the installer for people to become aware there is such a thing.
[20:54] <Sysi> Anova: I said arandr can export scripts
[21:53] <schijnndraeff> charlie-tca - Thanks for the info, but I don't see anything about themes in either location.  Is there a file I can edit to turn off the auto-login?
[21:54] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:54] <charlie-tca> should be /etc/gdm/gdm.custom
[22:20] <yesitisjustme> has anyone used ntop?


[00:00] <tych0> oh, but i wonder how i pass that initially before the image spawns, so cloud init sees eth0 the first time it runs
[00:01] <tych0> hrm. my ifname is still called ens3?
[00:01] <tych0> i guess it's systemd renaming things?
[00:02] <rbasak> Did net.ifnames=0 get through? Check /proc/cmdline
[00:02] <slangasek> no, it's systemd /not/ renaming things
[00:02] <slangasek> ens3 is the new-style kernel naming
[00:03] <rbasak> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-May/038761.html is my usual reference for all of this
[00:04] <rbasak> My understanding is that ens3 happens as a result of a udev rule
[00:04] <tych0> rbasak: yes, it did
[00:04] <tych0> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-23-generic root=UUID=91bfde43-9e70-45e9-b215-ab15bfdf4c92 ro net.ifnames=0 console=tty1 console=ttyS0
[00:04] <rbasak> "...you disable it by booting with
[00:04] <tych0> so i wonder if i can install a new kernel now and it won't screw thing sup
[00:04] <rbasak> net.ifnames=0 or disabling 80-net-setup-link.rules"
[00:05] <rbasak> [upstream]
[00:05] <slangasek> ah
[00:05] <slangasek> sorry, I was under the impression this was the in-kernel name nowadays
[00:06] <tych0> well, it seems hung with my new kernel and net.ifnames=0 :(
[00:07] <rbasak> Hung on boot? Give it 60 seconds.
[00:07] <rbasak> (if you have console)
[00:08] <Unit193> (Isn't ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link  the more recommended method anyway?)
[00:08] <tych0> yeah, i have console
[00:08] <tych0> you can reproduce this by just uvt-kvm create a vm, and then install a stock 4.17 kernel build from upstream with bindeb-pkg
[00:08] <tych0> it just hangs forever
[00:09] <tych0> anyway, based on irc timestamps 60 ceonds have passed and no luck :(
[00:09] <tych0> oh, there we go
[00:09] <tych0> huh, weird
[00:09] <tych0> it's still named ens3
[00:10] <slangasek> Unit193: well, I don't know what people who don't want ifnames recommend; I recommend not trying to outsmart ifnames
[00:10] <tych0> but it took like 3 minutes to get past something. what's the systemd command for showing what took what time in th eboot chain?
[00:10] <rbasak> What are you trying to achieve?
[00:10] <slangasek> tych0: systemd-analyze
[00:10] <tych0> rbasak: i want to run a mainline kernel on a uvt-kvm created vm
[00:10] <slangasek> and systemd-analyze critical-chain
[00:10] <rbasak> If you use a non-Ubuntu kernel with perhaps a different config, then things may not necessarily work.
[00:10] <tych0> slangasek: right, thanks
[00:10] <rbasak> You might have better luck with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[00:11] <tych0> rbasak: naturally. but i've been using this setup for several years, 18.04 images brok eit :(
[00:11] <Unit193> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ near the bottom.
[00:11] <tych0> rbasak: i don't really want a mainline kernel, i want a kernel with patches that i have applied. but my patches are unrelated to ifnames and such
[00:12] <rbasak> Unit193: I don't think those instructions take into account backwards compatibility with older Ubuntu that pitti took care of so carefully - see my link above.
[00:31] <smoser> tych0: well, cloud-init should be configuring your networking once per instance.
[00:31] <smoser> on subsequent boots, cloud-init should not do anything in uvtool. pretty sure it should recognize its not a new instance and do nothing.
[00:32] <smoser> so... cloud-init *should* set the system up to always rename the nic that is there with the same name.  ie, it "pins" it to whatever it saw the first time for this instance.
[00:32] <tych0> smoser: but the contents of /etc/netplan/*cloud* mention that it will reconfigure it once per boot
[00:33] <smoser> easiest thing for you to do if you want to just get rid of cloud-init interaction with networking in boot is just: sudo touch /etc/cloud/cloud-init.disabled
[00:33] <smoser> then it wont even run on subsequent boots.
[00:34] <smoser> to be clear... http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p3m9SPpCHB/
[00:35] <smoser> the behavior you're describing is definitely not intended. so feel free to file a bug.
[00:35] <smoser> but i suspect your test kernel doesn't have some drivers or can't see the uvt-provided filesystem or somthing
[00:35] <smoser> so cloud-init tries to re-configure
[00:35] <smoser> or possibly its something else.
[00:35] <smoser> anyway, feel free to file a bug.
[00:35] <smoser> if you just want cloud-init out of the way, touch that file and be done.
[00:35]  * smoser has to go afk
[00:36] <tych0> smoser: cool, thanks
[00:36] <tych0> i like it on first boot, but you're right that i'm probably missing some drivers that uvt kvm wants. the kernel is very small
[05:21] <razwelles> Hey, I'm trying to understand the underpinnings of how linux puts a system on sleep. I've followed up to s2ram, and /sys/power/state, but I'm trying to find source code and I don't know where to go from there.
[10:03] <cpaelzer> Laney: hi, I have checked bug 1708008 - if I read that correctly you know the code that runs there
[10:04] <Laney> hey cpaelzer
[10:04] <Laney> did you see my reply?
[10:04] <cpaelzer> Laney: do you know if we publish in persitent mode
[10:04] <Laney> ah yes, you replied again
[10:04] <cpaelzer> I only wrote mine and didn't refresh :-)
[10:04] <Laney> maybe you didn't see comment #6
[10:04] <Laney> :-)
[10:04] <cpaelzer> hehe
[10:04] <cpaelzer> the good things is we came to the same conclusion and the bug is no bug
[10:04] <cpaelzer> thanks Laney
[10:05] <Laney> cpaelzer: this is a more emegent issue for us https://bugs.launchpad.net/auto-package-testing/+bug/1772236 if you're interested in more rabbity things
[10:06] <cpaelzer> I'm not particularly interested, was just going along bug queues and found this one could need some love
[10:06] <Laney> ok then
[10:06] <Laney> is there a procedure to get this on your team's queue somehow?
[10:07] <cpaelzer> rabbitmq is in for OpenStack which is why the team is also subscribed
[10:07] <cpaelzer> on the server team we mostly try to run away if we see it
[10:08] <cpaelzer> It would usually be picke dup on bug triage which is a daily round robin task
[10:08] <cpaelzer> don't ask me what happened to this one :-)
[10:08] <cpaelzer> the procedure if the former doesn't work is in ping in #server about it
[10:08] <cpaelzer> but you did now
[10:09] <Laney> I guess really I should test that security regression theory by reverting erlang eh
[10:10] <Laney> the update doesn't look that suspicious :/
[10:12] <cpaelzer> no it really doesn't
[10:12] <cpaelzer> so you want to downgrade/upgrade erlang to see if that was the trigger?
[10:12] <cpaelzer> or does it then also need time to reach the OOM that one can see in the bug
[10:13] <cpaelzer> I don't know what to do on rabbitmq on this bug for now, if anything consider making Restart=on-failure the default
[10:13] <Laney> they've been about a week apart
[10:13] <cpaelzer> what is your experience with that setting so far?
[10:13] <Laney> hasn't happened since then
[10:13] <cpaelzer> I'm subscribing the Team, but for now there is no clear action to take IMHO
[10:13] <cpaelzer> if you found something that should be changed let us know
[10:14] <cpaelzer> the subscription ensures it isn't totally lost
[10:14] <Laney> it's just suspicious to me that it started memleaking after all these years
[10:14] <cpaelzer> but also has no guarantees on 24/7 attention
[10:14] <Laney> so "feels" like something changed
[10:14] <Laney> but yeah, no real evidence
[10:14] <cpaelzer> yeah one would have expected that since the system was deployed
[10:14] <cpaelzer> Laney: rabbitmqctl has some logs about memory consumption per queue
[10:15] <cpaelzer> maybe you could set up a cron job to log hourly to a file or so
[10:15] <cpaelzer> to have some idea which queue might be the leaker
[10:16] <Laney> good idea, can you post a tip to the bug and I'll try to get to that later on
[10:16] <Laney> please?
[10:16] <cpaelzer> sure
[14:17] <willdeberry> hello all. i am running some own deb repos for work and wanted to get your inputs on best practice on moving packages between levels of repos (eg: proposed and stable). currently using reprepro and have all the different levels segmented via different URLs and we sync between them using rsync. Is relying on rsync and different URLs against the grain? Is it better to manage packages at the
[14:17] <willdeberry> individual package level and use something like reprepro to move between levels?
[14:20] <willdeberry> not sure why that split between lines :-/
[14:24] <cjwatson> It's usually much better to have a single pool and have something like reprepro add extra references to the relevant packages to different suites under dists/
[14:24] <cjwatson> rsyncing things around is certainly possible but really painfully clunky
[14:25] <cjwatson> You can just use "reprepro copy" and friends
[14:53] <willdeberry> copy will overwrite all contents if you move from proposed to stable for instance?
[15:15] <cjwatson> willdeberry: What do you mean?  Presumably you don't have the same version of the same package in both proposed and stable with different contents in each; that would be weird and confusing and probably something you'd want to avoid.  So I'm not sure what would be overwritten.
[15:27] <psusi> am I crazy or is grub-efi-amd64-signed supposed to be included in the pool on the install image, otherwise you can't install on a secure boot system without a network?
[15:27] <psusi> and it doesn't seem to be listed in any of the cd manifests
[15:29] <cjwatson> $ curl -s http://releases.ubuntu.com/bionic/ubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.list | grep grub-efi-amd64-signed
[15:29] <cjwatson> /pool/main/g/grub2-signed/grub-efi-amd64-signed_1.93+2.02-2ubuntu8_amd64.deb
[15:30] <psusi> ahh... right... the .manifest is what is in the squashfs
[15:32] <cjwatson> Indeed
[15:32] <psusi> ahh, ubuntustudio is missing /pool
[15:35] <psusi> at least in 16.04.4
[15:52] <willdeberry> cjwatson: gotcha, by overwrite i should have said version bump. thanks or the direction and info
[16:15] <cjwatson> willdeberry: Oh, right.  I don't use reprepro very much but I think so.
[18:17] <powersj> anyone know if this page ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi was migrated anywhere before alioth was retired
[18:18] <tsimonq2> powersj: I don't think so.
[18:19] <tsimonq2> sil2100 (who needs to get a bouncer!) brought it up on some mailing list a week or two ago
[20:59] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Forgive my bikeshedding :)
[21:03] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: It'd be more helpful if you'd add what you'd like.
[21:05] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Perhaps s/can take/takes/ but I was uncertain on it.


[13:39] <InHisName> morning
[13:41] <InHisName> Hey, tedddy_D_bear where ever you are.....   Did the plug dongle thingy die or the circuit on the motherboard of the laptop die ?   There is a 'steal' over at http://mobile.dailysteals.com/    for $15 shipped with 7 adapters so can mate with most all lappys.
[14:07] <rmg51> I'm looking to get something today
[14:08] <rmg51> I take Teddy's laptop to work with me
[14:08] <rmg51> which means I need a power cord for tomorrow
[14:09] <rmg51> I was hopping to get something from RadioShack or Best Buy


[02:45] <defendguin> i'm having an issue in gutsy where immediately when returning from suspend my computer will try to hibernate itself
[02:45] <defendguin> has anyone heard of something like this going on?
[02:51] <defendguin> i wasn't having any luck searching through bugs for it.
[03:06] <defendguin> i created a bug 149665
[03:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149665 in ubuntu "when returning from suspend my laptop tries to hibernate" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149665
[06:02] <timbba> mjg59: I created the bug: #149693
[10:39] <timbba> mjg59: I don't know have you noticed already, but I created the bug #149693 (related to usb keyboard/mouse combo issues after suspend in Feisty)
[10:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149693 in ubuntu "Wireless keyboard doesn't work after suspend" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149693
[10:40] <timbba> yeah, mine :)
[10:47] <timbba> by the way ubotu, if you take a look at the bug.. I had to replug the usb receiver to get those after txt-files (for example last lines in dmesg_after.txt)
[10:51] <lifeless> ubotu is a computer program
[10:57] <timbba> oh... I didn't know :) 'blush*
[01:25] <kraut> moin
[02:46] <bullgard4> What is the reason that ACPI Specification 3.0b does not mention HAL?
[02:56] <laga> hi. Bug 139767 was fixed in gutsy, will it also be fixed in feisty? it was introduced as a regression in a recent upload
[02:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139767 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[patch]  agp for i830m broken in gutsy, works in feisty " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139767
[04:56] <stgraber> Anyone has an idea why I can't boot Gutsy's kernel on my all new server ? I tried with noapic noacpi and irqpoll (looking at the most reported bugs for gutsy on LP) none of them worked. It still hangs at "input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input1"
[04:56] <stgraber> (it's today ubuntu server CD btw)
[05:17] <stgraber> managed to have it to boot resetting the BIOS to default and using noapic
[07:39] <JanC> why doesn't linux-generic depend on one specific version of linux-image-generic & linux-restricted-modules-generic ?
[07:49] <ivoks> umm... nvidia-glx-new should conflict with nvidia-settings
[08:46] <pkern> Could someone of the kernel team please reply to LP: #121653 to `finish' that bug? I.e. to close it with wontfix? (And document that regression somewhere.)
[09:14] <tepsipakki> the nikon-fixes in -13 doesn't help me, but I discovered that the reason is "obsolete" firmware on the camera. too bad that the download site is under maintenance and opens on Monday :P
[10:33] <defendguin> i don't suppose there is a jerome g in here?
[10:35] <defendguin> Jrme Guelfucci?
[11:22] <defendguin> what about a Milan?


[09:10] <beuno> Rinchen, ping
[09:15] <beuno> (I'm somewhere in canonical)
[15:04] <Rinchen> beuno, hi
[15:04] <Rinchen> beuno, sorry my computer was toast today
[15:05] <Rinchen> beuno, I've been the geeky bald guy in the green shirt that's been in there twice
[15:05] <beuno> Rinchen, hey :D
[15:05] <beuno> ah, didn't recognize you
[15:05] <beuno> thanks for the directions to the hotel, savd us a _lot_ of walking
[15:06] <Rinchen> beuno, yeah, been there, done that, it sucks :-D
[15:08] <beuno> we don;t have *any* internet there though
[15:08] <beuno> doesn't seem to be paid for or something like that
[15:08] <beuno> so 7 geeks without internet is pretty disturbing to watch  :p
[15:09] <Rinchen> beuno, I might be able to fix that. Come over to my room when you get a sec
[15:09] <Rinchen> beuno, I'll tell you how to milk it from them
[15:10] <beuno> Rinchen, sure. Where would *your* room be?
[15:11] <Rinchen> atacama....next to the kitchen
[15:11] <beuno> Rinchen, cool, be there in a few minutes
[21:41] <boredandblogging> anyone around to approve a post?
[21:43] <beuno> boredandblogging, yeap
[21:43] <beuno> url?
[21:43] <boredandblogging> beuno: give me a few minutes, I'll ping you
[22:12] <boredandblogging> beuno: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1365
[22:12] <boredandblogging> I'm wondering if its too detailed with the bug fixes
[22:13] <beuno> boredandblogging, let me lookat it
[22:16] <beuno> boredandblogging, seems a bit much
[22:17] <beuno> mind if I cut it down a bit before publishing?  ot you can do it yourself, as you wish
[22:17] <boredandblogging> no, please, go for it
[22:21] <beuno> boredandblogging, published. Feel free to edit anything back  :D
[22:23] <boredandblogging> beuno: looks good, thanks
[22:25] <beuno> boredandblogging, :D
[22:25] <beuno> been doing a lot of fridge stuff today since for some reason, access from Canonical is mind-blowing fast
[22:27] <boredandblogging> beuno: thats cool, are you just visiting or is there a conference?
[22:28] <beuno> boredandblogging, bzr sprint
[22:28] <boredandblogging> nice