[03:56] <kotatsu> odie5533: yes
[03:56] <odie5533> Is there a way around it?
[03:56] <keffoo> ok
[03:56] <keffoo> gnome can go tell hell
[03:56] <keffoo> suckies shit ever
[03:56] <kotatsu> I think you can still enable write support in the kernel, although it's a good way to destroy your filesystem
[03:56] <prego> odie5533, having an spare fat32 partition
[03:57] <membreya> odie5533: yes it is ..you can get it so it's write as well
[03:57] <robodex> although the 10gb stepmania directory is pretty important :X
[03:57] <kotatsu> not sure, they changed the NTFS driver a while back
[03:57] <membreya> but it's experimental
[03:57] <membreya> you CAN compile the kernel with write support
[03:57] <kotatsu> you'll have to compile your own kernel to get it to write
[03:57] <kanga> KOTATSU IS THAT THE CD OR IS THAT LITERATURE FOR WArt
[03:57] <membreya> oh there is a 3rd party software out there
[03:57] <kotatsu> kanga: that's the CD itself
[03:57] <odie5533> membreya, such as what
[03:57] <Burgundavia> kanga: that is the cd
[03:57] <kotatsu> kanga: you need bit torrent to download it
[03:58] <keffoo> anyone know how i sovle this bloody gnomebug? .. i cant change what app a file should use ?
[03:58] <keffoo> this is insane
[03:58] <keffoo> !
[03:58] <kanga> IVE GOT THAT ALREADY I JUST (sorry)need some onstalation instructions
[03:58] <Xappe> since they have to do "backwards engineering" of the ntfs driver, the write support is quite scary
[03:58] <membreya> odie5533: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[03:58] <Burgundavia> keffoo: what bug?
[03:58] <keffoo> Burgundavia: i dunno, when i for example change what mediaplayer to play .mpg files.. i just cant box that radiobutton after i added VLC to the list
[03:58] <keffoo> that must be a bug right?
[03:59] <kanga> vassie/kotatsu?
[03:59] <bwlang> keffoo: just because you don't know how to do it does not make it a bug... to change file associations you can right click on a file and choose properties... then add your prefered program to the opens with tab.
[03:59] <keffoo> bwlang: oh, you gotta be a smart one?
[03:59] <keffoo> i just told..
[03:59] <kanga> flaming?
[04:00] <kanga> vassie u there?
[04:00] <Burgundavia> Burgundavia: so you can add the app but not make it default?
[04:00] <kotatsu> kanga: burn the .iso file to a CD
[04:00] <keffoo> exactly
[04:00] <kotatsu> kanga: then put the CD in your drive and reboot
[04:00] <robodex> gotta jet, bye
[04:00] <keffoo> i can add it to the list with 'Add'
[04:00] <keffoo> but i cant 'select it'
[04:00] <keffoo> if you get what i mean?
[04:00] <Burgundavia> hmm
[04:00] <keffoo> i can mark the program, but the radiobutton wont be boxed
[04:01] <kanga> have done that ok so there is no literature out there?
[04:01] <onkarshinde> Just tried hoary live inside Qemu emulator. GNOME 2.10 looks good.
[04:01] <kotatsu> well that sucks
[04:01] <kotatsu> the update manager won't do a dist-upgrade
[04:01] <kotatsu> that should be a preference setting
[04:01] <kanga> so cant launch linux from within windows?
[04:01] <Burgundavia> kotatsu: the update manager might have that functionality
[04:02] <Burgundavia> kotatsu: later
[04:02] <keffoo> Burgundavia: any idea?
[04:02] <Burgundavia> kotatsu: remember that it is for aunt tilly
[04:02] <bwlang> keffoo: i don't type that fast... if you made your first post a real description my answer would have been different...
[04:02] <Burgundavia> keffoo: sorry, no
[04:02] <odie5533> What is the best way to install an RPM on ubuntu?
[04:02] <Burgundavia> odie5533: alient
[04:02] <niran> kotatsu: i think the "smart upgrade" is a dist-upgrade
[04:02] <Burgundavia> odie5533: make that alien
[04:02] <kotatsu> Burgundavia: aunt tilly would probably be more confused about a dialog telling her packages can't be installed than just pulling down everything that's needed ;) (omg! my computer is broken!)
[04:02] <Burgundavia> kotatsu: that won't happen with a stable release
[04:02] <odie5533> what about installing from source?
[04:02] <kotatsu> true
[04:03] <Burgundavia> odie5533: alien converts rpm to deb
[04:03] <odie5533> how do I use the .deb file?
[04:03] <KsE> how do i get support for wmv9 files
[04:03] <kotatsu> Burgundavia: actually it would, wouldn't it? kernel upgrades pull down module packages
[04:03] <KsE> on totem
[04:03] <Burgundavia> KsE: w32codecs
[04:03] <kotatsu> niran: this is the update manager, not synaptic
[04:03] <Burgundavia> odie5533: dpkg -i blah.deb
[04:03] <kanga> kotatsu will i still be aqble to access the net and email etc?
[04:03] <kotatsu> kanga: yes
[04:03] <odie5533> and... what about source?
[04:03] <bwlang> odie5533: don't be too tempted... you need to be careful with alien packages.  They can cause troubles...
[04:03] <kanga> is it stable?
[04:03] <teren> why is there a /.dev/fb0 but no /dev/fb0?
[04:04] <Burgundavia> odie5533: if you have source then you can compile it normally
[04:04] <teren> symlinking them doesnt work
[04:04] <KsE> well i know about the win32 codecs but i dont know how to install em
[04:04] <odie5533> Can you uninstall from source though?
[04:04] <kotatsu> kanga: it's a preview release... there might still be some bugs
[04:04] <Burgundavia> KsE: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:04] <bwlang> odie5533: you could compile and do make;make install... i don't recommend this... By going around the package manager your reduce it's value to almost nothing.
[04:04] <Burgundavia> odie5533: some have a uninstall script
[04:05] <Burgundavia> odie5533: what are you trying to install?
[04:05] <odie5533> TeamSpeak
[04:05] <kotatsu> KsE: /usr/local/lib/codecs
[04:05] <odie5533> and various other things that have no rpm's
[04:05] <bwlang> odie5533: why not just make a deb? - you can use alien to give you a template from an rpm... then you can fix any quirks and have a nice package.
[04:05] <odie5533> How do I do that though
[04:06] <bwlang> odie5533: man alien... you can tell it to extract the rpm stuff leave all the intermediate stuff for you to chnage
[04:07] <kotatsu> odie5533: yes, you can "uninstall" from source... just delete the directory =)
[04:07] <bwlang> odie5533: if there is no rpm you'll need to start from scratch.. see the debian docs on packaging
[04:08] <hahu> How can i automatically start system services at boot time? (in debian there is rcconf, right?)
[04:08] <bwlang> hahu: update-rc.d
[04:08] <hahu> bwlang, thx!
[04:09] <aims> can someone tel me if there is any point in me pulling my hair out cos i cant get my IT8212 pci raid card to work
[04:10] <kotatsu> I don't have a kernel source directory available atm; do the prepackaged linux kernels or headers come with the kernel docs?
[04:11] <aims> erm... how do i find that out?
[04:11] <bwlang> aims: i don't know that card... but i think anything but a 3ware or megaraid card is not worth the effort.  Software raid is better than a hardware raid card that you can't even monitor...
[04:12] <aims> ok thx :)
[04:14] <bwlang> aims: 3ware is the best option... you can use smartd to monitor all the individual devices using -d 3ware,0-n
[04:14] <odie5533> Can I do a search in the terminal?
[04:14] <maswan> 3ware makes for a resonably many-ports sata jbod controller too
[04:15] <maswan> for running sw raid on top of
[04:15] <thoreauputic> odie5533: sudo updatedb && locate ,searchterm>
[04:15] <thoreauputic> odie5533: or use the find command
[04:16] <odie5533> can i find in subfolder?
[04:16] <thoreauputic> of course
[04:16] <kotatsu> odie5533: $ find (folder) -(switches)
[04:17] <kotatsu> odie5533: you can also use the GNOME search tool =)
[04:17] <odie5533> not when all I have is a prompt ;D
[04:17] <kotatsu> this is true
[04:17] <thoreauputic> odie5533: "locate" is the easiest way
[04:19] <thoreauputic> locate generalterm | grep -i specificterm
[04:20] <ali> When the offical version of hoary will be released (April) how will users running warty upgrade to hoary. Will hoary come in to the repositories of users running warty as a upgrade ?
[04:21] <j^> does someone know how i can get  instead of * for
[04:21] <j^> 	entry = gtk_entry_new();
[04:21] <j^> 	gtk_entry_set_visibility(GTK_ENTRY(entry), FALSE);
[04:22] <j^> gksu/gksudo do that somehow
[04:22] <j^> but i am not able to fine that in the source
[04:23] <EsK> alright, im at the spot where u cp all the codecs to /usr/local/lib/codecs, and i did the command     cp -R all-20050216/* /usr/local/lib/codecs    and it gives me all these "permission denied" messages so i was just wondering, will i have to chmod all of the files?
[04:24] <ali> sudo cp -R all-20050216/* /usr/local/lib/codecs
[04:24] <EsK> okay thank you
[04:26] <EsK> ohhh, thats what i forgot
[04:26] <EsK> sudo
[04:28] <prego> ali, I guess users will have to change their "Warty" entries to "Hoary" at apt config. just as now in order to upgrade to hoary.
[04:28] <markkkkkkkk> i  cannot boot from the cd because i'm using a pentium one....a linux boot diskette does not work....how can i boot from a doc diskette
[04:28] <markkkkkkkk> DOS
[04:28] <TetuJe-> how i can install xfce4?... I do " apt-get install xfce4 and it is installed but i look gnome no xfce
[04:29] <scizzo> TetuJe-: tried to change the session in gdm when logging in?
[04:29] <YuriMaru> is there a channel for malaysian ubuntuers?
[04:31] <ali> prego, so you mean ihave to change the sourcelist to hoary an den apt-get upgrade ?
[04:32] <TetuJe-> scizzo, how? iam noob... soz..
[04:32] <scizzo> TetuJe-: in GDM you can select what session you want to use...the loginscreen that is
[04:33] <TetuJe-> mmm
[04:33] <scizzo> TetuJe-: if you click on the session link on that window then maybe xfce4 is there?
[04:33] <TetuJe-> i reboot
[04:33] <scizzo> TetuJe-: reboot?
[04:33] <scizzo> TetuJe-: don't need to reboot
[04:33] <scizzo> just logout and look
[04:33] <TetuJe-> ah
[04:33] <TetuJe-> ok
[04:33] <TetuJe-> y go to try w8 plz (sorry for bad english)
[04:33] <scizzo> TetuJe-: the only time you need to reboot is when installing a new kernel or something simular
[04:33] <markkkkkkkk> how can i install from a dos disk?
[04:34] <TetuJe-> scizzo, IAM noob sozzz i dunno this..
[04:34] <TetuJe-> wait plz
[04:34] <aleitner> why are there no restricted modules for kerenl 2.6.11 in the rep?
[04:36] <TetuJe-> scizzo, I LOVE YOU
[04:36] <TetuJe-> scizzo, THX THX THX U ARE THE MASTER
[04:36] <scizzo> TetuJe-: haha
[04:36] <scizzo> TetuJe-: ummm...no...and...ummm...stop using the caps lock... :P
[04:36] <motuline> ati drivers suck on ubuntu..
[04:37] <motuline> I get ~1800FPS per 5second
[04:37] <motuline> in SuSe I got ~3000fps per 5 seconds
[04:37] <ali> how can i upgrade from warty to hoary the "safe" way
[04:37] <Nermal> motuline, careful
[04:37] <motuline> ?
[04:38] <Nermal> you're making a blanket statement with insufficient evidence to back up your claims
[04:38] <dr_willis> Hmm.. Useing the PPC ubuntu on my imac.. looking for a "yahoo messenger" chat client for the wife.. the officil yahoo site dosent have one for linux ppc. :(
[04:38] <Nermal> and therefor jumping to incorrect conclusions
[04:38] <scizzo> dr_willis: tried using gaim?
[04:38] <membreya> dr_willis: gaim
[04:38] <wbeck85> what is the difference between kdm and gdm (display managers) when installing kubuntu-desktop, i am given an option between the two. Which one would provide the best freedom regarding using both gnome and kde?
[04:38] <membreya> :P
[04:39] <membreya> one or the other wbeck85 :)
[04:39] <wbeck85> no difference?
[04:39] <dr_willis> scizzo,  ok.. gaim can do it.. ;P but i bet the silly wife will want tog et to the "group" chat rooms.. which i bet needs the windows-only version. *sigh*
[04:39] <membreya> one is gnome, the other is kde
[04:39] <Nermal> wbeck85, one is for kde and one for gnome
[04:39] <dr_willis> lets check out Gaim now.
[04:39] <Nermal> ie: one is qt the other gtk
[04:39] <bwlang> ali: there is no "safe" way (at least not that i'm aware of)   you may need to manually tweak what's installed... but replacing warty with hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list and running apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade should get you moving in the right direction
[04:39] <wbeck85> well, yeah.
[04:39] <membreya> dr_willis: tell the wife to stop chatting up guys on the net then :P
[04:40] <wbeck85> does it make any difference compatibility or performance wise?
[04:40] <bwlang> wbeck85: it's a preference issue... either will give you access to either desktop manager
[04:40] <zapallito> alguien habla espaniol?
[04:40] <dr_willis> membreya,  she pointed her web cam at an XXX dvd that was playing on the tv the other day.. to show off to the guys. :P
[04:40] <membreya> lol! :P
[04:40] <dr_willis> membreya,  she thouhg it was Funny... which it was.
[04:40] <dr_willis> :P
[04:40] <wbeck85> thank you
[04:40] <zapallito> alguien habla espaniol?
[04:41] <wbeck85> which is gtk?
[04:41] <EsK> alright, this has notihng to do with ubuntu, but how to connect to another server while still on this one
[04:41] <wbeck85> what client are you using Esk?
[04:41] <zapallito> i need help .. please
[04:41] <EsK> x-chat
[04:41] <motuline> Is there someway to speedup my fglrx driver.. because it worked much better in SuSe :o
[04:41] <EsK> 2.4.1
[04:42] <dr_willis> open a new server tab.
[04:42] <Levander> zapallito: just try asking your question, someone knows, they'll prolly say
[04:42] <EsK> nvm
[04:42] <EsK> yeah
[04:42] <ali> EsK, ctr t
[04:43] <zapallito> ok Levander i need add a new "normal user" to system
[04:43] <EsK> yeah i just figured that out
[04:43] <wbeck85> Esk, go to the X-chat tap > server list, hilight your server and open in a new tab
[04:43] <wbeck85> :)
[04:43] <wbeck85> what fglrx driver are you using?
[04:43] <EsK> yeah i saw that
[04:43] <Levander> zapallito: adduser command
[04:43] <dr_willis> Hmm.
[04:43] <Echylo> good ftp server for ubuntu?
[04:43] <dr_willis> Openoffice isent seeing my Printers I got installed.. grrr.
[04:44] <aleitner> zapallito: if you are on hoary, a comfortable way is to "System->Administration->Users and Groups"
[04:44] <dr_willis> there it goes... :P silly thing.. had to close out OO and reopen it - after adding a printer with the gnome tools
[04:45] <ikaro> hellas everyone.
[04:45] <Echylo> what is a good ftp server for ubuntu please? membreya ?? :p
[04:45] <membreya> right there dr_willis ? :P
[04:45] <membreya> Echylo: ftpd :P
[04:45] <Echylo> yay
[04:45] <Echylo> :p
[04:45] <dr_willis> best to not use a ftp server. use ssh
[04:45] <Levander> zapallito: that's menu's in warty to, Computer -> System Configuration -> Users and Groups
[04:45] <zapallito> but my problem is, when i try add a user, this user too is a superuser
[04:45] <EsK> yeah thats a bug in fedora, the new shell has a bug in it where it freezes when starting CUPS
[04:45] <membreya> erm why's that dr_willis ?
[04:45] <dr_willis> membreya,  one word "Security" and its a BIG word. :P
[04:45] <zapallito> my english is so so
[04:45] <Echylo> ssh
[04:45] <Echylo> and ftp
[04:46] <Echylo> I need to share files
[04:46] <Echylo> :|
[04:46] <membreya> dr_willis: so disable anon :)
[04:46] <dr_willis> share in what way - with what other machines?
[04:46] <EsK> is it necessary to get firestarter
[04:46] <Levander> zapallito: that means that user can run sudo?  root is disabled by default in ubuntu
[04:46] <Echylo> over the internet
[04:46] <Echylo> with people
[04:46] <Echylo> who use windows
[04:46] <zapallito> Levander i know
[04:46] <ali> EsK, i use wu-ftpd ...
[04:46] <Echylo> thanks
[04:46] <zapallito> but the new user too can run sudo command
[04:46] <membreya> Echylo: if you can be bothered setting up tunneling..... :P
[04:46] <EsK> doesnt ubuntu come with selinux?
[04:47] <Echylo> tunneling? :p
[04:47] <dr_willis> Echylo,  they can use 'sftp' or some other ssh aware client and get the same job done. with no ftp server running.
[04:47] <Levander> zapallito: but what u mean this user too is a superuser?  u mean he can run commands w sudo?
[04:47] <Levander> zapallito: how u know this new user is a super user?
[04:47] <ali> EsK, it is in the rep
[04:47] <membreya> use ip tunneling, establish a VPN and use samba :)
[04:47] <zapallito> Levander no no, normal user
[04:47] <dr_willis> membreya,  heh - thats one way... wich ive never done.
[04:47] <zapallito> i need to add a normal user
[04:47] <Xappe> aaah, just played Zipman III with dosbox. Sweet, sweet memories...
[04:48] <membreya> dr_willis: ...but it works..major pain to setup if you're new to it :)
[04:48] <Echylo> hmm a gui ftp server?
[04:48] <Levander> zapallito: okay, but when u try to add a normal user, u say he turns out a superuser.   :P
[04:49] <Levander> zapallito: there's prolly just a group u need to take him outta
[04:49] <membreya> junk?!
[04:49] <zapallito> for example this user, can intalll programs
[04:50] <dazed|> lol membreya
[04:50] <dr_willis> membreya,  i got several 100GB of old roms/C64 games :P
[04:50] <zapallito> running apt-get intall ; password
[04:50] <membreya> gah...at least try and get amiga500 roms :P
[04:50] <Echylo> webmin, is a browser config thing?
[04:50] <dr_willis> I got several  REAL amigas :P
[04:50] <membreya> Echylo: yessir
[04:50] <Levander> zapallito: i get it, i'm looking something up
[04:50] <zapallito> ok Levander
[04:50] <dr_willis> membreya,  got a dvd or 4 of amiga stuff as well.
[04:50] <zapallito> thx
[04:50] <Echylo> I don't dare to ask how to launch it
[04:50] <zapallito> Levander thx
[04:51] <Echylo> (but I did it anyway)
[04:51] <ali> EsK, ..........1
[04:51] <membreya> Echylo: https://(hostname):10000
[04:51] <dr_willis> webmin - you install it. start the service. and connect to https://localhost:10000
[04:51] <Echylo> k
[04:51] <membreya> stop stealing my thunder dr_willis on the few things I know ! :P
[04:51] <dr_willis> webmin comes with a lot of security features  locked down REAL tight by default.
[04:52] <dr_willis> ubuntu guys tend to be REAL paranoid about security :P
[04:52] <dr_willis> which is good.
[04:52] <dazed|> i have to go ace a cs201 test on how to use Microsoft Word YAY!
[04:52] <EsK> so..... what else is good for ubuntu
[04:52] <membreya> dazed|: I sure hope you know how to click a mouse!
[04:52] <ali> mplayer
[04:52] <EsK> i have totem
[04:52] <dr_willis> dazed| answer everything "hit F1 and RTFM"
[04:52] <ali> it sucks
[04:52] <EsK> it works perfect for me
[04:52] <dazed|> i know right membreya
[04:53] <membreya> dr_willis: you mean I spent $90AUD on a thick ass book on ms office for nothing :P
[04:53] <dazed|> lol Dr_Willis
[04:53] <dr_willis> its sad when you have to teach a TOTALLY new to computers users - WHICH button is the "right" vs "left" button..
[04:53] <EsK> lmao dr
[04:53] <membreya> dr_willis: that's where mac's come in
[04:53] <dr_willis> No sir.. its not the "Right or WRONG button"
[04:53] <dr_willis> membreya,  i toss that lame imac mouses...
[04:53] <Echylo> hmm wich username & pass does webmin uses
[04:53] <dazed|> i skipped a week straight of this class came in made up a test on like hard drives and I/O devices and stupid bios questions got a 98 and left havent been back since
[04:53] <Echylo> it doesn't accept root
[04:53] <Echylo> neither it does echylo
[04:54] <membreya> i get confused on macs...where's the friggin right mouse button! spend 10k on a mac and you get a mouse with only one friggin button!
[04:54] <Levander> zapallito: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4021&highlight=sudoers+adduser
[04:54] <ali>  Echylo ??
[04:54] <dazed|> i dont htink i could use a mac mouse....id throw it against the wall...i use my right click more then anything
[04:54] <Levander> zapallito: new users aren't supposed to be able to run sudo commands by default
[04:55] <Echylo> what ali?
[04:55] <Levander> zapallito: if that new user is in /etc/sudoers, u've configured something differently than default
[04:55] <Echylo> I tried to login
[04:55] <dazed|> alright all well ill be back in about 15 minutes when im done with this test
[04:55] <Echylo> but I can't
[04:55] <membreya> they have to be added to the sudousers or the admin group
[04:55] <Levander> zapallito: u still there?
[04:55] <Xappe> dazed|, dosbox is a dos emulator
[04:55] <ali> Echylo, log into webmin?
[04:55] <dazed|> ohhh ok
[04:55] <Echylo> yes
[04:55] <Echylo> great
[04:55] <prego> membreya, you have to press the "apple" keyboard-button plus the mouse button. Or something like that
[04:55] <Echylo> Error - Access denied for <IP_ADDRESS>. The host has been blocked because of too many authentication failures.
[04:55] <dazed|> lol i thought u had a comp strictly for dos
[04:55] <dazed|> lol
[04:56] <ali> Echylo, don't install it from th rep install it manually
[04:56] <membreya> Echylo: you DO know you have to login using admin ?
[04:56] <EsK> is the flashplugin on one of the universion rep's
[04:56] <membreya> or root
[04:56] <Xappe> dazed|, i wish :)
[04:56] <factotum> or just get a 2 button mouse
[04:56] <prego> yes
[04:56] <Echylo> well like u see
[04:56] <Echylo> I don't
[04:56] <ali> brb
[04:56] <EsK> root
[04:56] <membreya> membreya: i think you get another chance to login in about 5 mins
[04:57] <Echylo> :)
[04:57] <membreya> erm
[04:57] <Echylo> I get it ;)
[04:57] <membreya> why am I talking to myself :|
[04:57] <EsK> lol
[04:57] <Echylo> but how do I need to login then?
[04:57] <Echylo> I used my root password
[04:57] <prego> see you all soon.
[04:57] <membreya> Echylo: use root
[04:57] <membreya> as the login
[04:58] <Echylo> yes..
[04:58] <Echylo> but the pass won't "fit"
[04:58] <membreya> the configus are kept in /etc/webmin/miniserv.users
[04:58] <Echylo> you know I'll stop acting irritating and look for it by myself ;)
[04:58] <Echylo> thanks :)
[04:58] <membreya> when would that be Echylo ? :|
[04:59] <Echylo> right now
[04:59] <EsK> is the flashplugin on one of the universal rep's
[04:59] <dr_willis> of course ya need to install a few of the modules for webmin  - so you can actually do things with it.
[04:59] <Echylo> ok wait 5 minutes
[04:59] <Echylo> miniserv replies
[04:59] <Echylo> root:*
[04:59] <ali> Echylo, The webmin packages in universe were made for debian. It probably would be easy to tweak them to work with sudo, but they don't.
[04:59] <ali> I found it easier to download the lates sources for Webmin and install it by hand, the old fashined way. It works fine.
[04:59] <membreya> Echylo: if you REALLY want, do an mkpassword..generate a shadow key ....and then paste it in the miniserv.users
[04:59] <dr_willis> and i do THINK its locked down by default where only localhost can get on to webmin
[04:59] <membreya> ali: I had no problems with using the repo
[04:59] <Echylo> my host is blocked :D
[04:59] <dr_willis> An initial version of this password file has been generated for you. It contains only a 'root' user,
[05:00] <Echylo> great
[05:00] <dr_willis> if your root user had no password.. well then you got none. :P
[05:00] <dr_willis> this is where the ubuntu no-root password  design has an issue.
[05:00] <membreya> Echylo: ....look at miniserv.conf
[05:00] <membreya> change the limit
[05:00] <membreya> for locking out
[05:00] <membreya> oh wait!
[05:00] <membreya> i remember what I had to do with webmin :D
[05:01] <dr_willis> membreya,  lol
[05:01] <ali> lol
[05:01] <dr_willis> I always cheat and make a password just for root...  installing webmin now. lets see
[05:02] <Echylo> hmm
[05:02] <Echylo> you need to restart webmin when you change the conf files?
[05:02] <membreya> Echylo:  sudo passwd root -l (password)
[05:03] <dr_willis> Echylo,  not sure - wouldent hurt.
[05:03] <membreya> erm
[05:03] <membreya> Echylo:  sudo passwd root -u (password) even :P
[05:03] <beezly> heya n
[05:03] <beezly> damn
[05:03] <beezly> Nermal:
[05:03] <beezly> hey
[05:04] <Echylo> hmm how to restart webmin
[05:04] <Echylo> then it might wirk
[05:04] <Echylo> work*
[05:04] <membreya> Echylo: /etc/init.d/webmin restart
[05:04] <Echylo> almost figured that out on my own :P
[05:05] <Echylo> sigh
[05:05] <dr_willis> Linux FUNdaMentals!
[05:05] <Echylo> login failed
[05:05] <Echylo> gonna slap it
[05:05] <Echylo> *slap*
[05:05] <membreya> wait Echylo
[05:05] <dr_willis> how did you set up the password for webmin?
[05:05] <Nermal> you slapper :P
[05:05] <Nermal> password is root password
[05:05] <Nermal> ffs
[05:05] <dr_willis> could set roots password.. then reinstall webmin.
[05:06] <dr_willis> i had roots passwd set befor i installed it. :P
[05:06] <ali> or do it the old way, install it manually
[05:06] <membreya> im an idiot Echylo
[05:06] <membreya> do a sudo passwd root
[05:06] <Echylo> no I am but anyway
[05:06] <membreya> then change the password
[05:06] <dr_willis> man  - its sad when your system is so slow.. you do a 'su -' and can have half the password entered befor it even asks...
[05:06] <membreya> once you login to webmin with that new password, add a new user with full functionality
[05:07] <membreya> and then disable your password
[05:07] <membreya> for root
[05:07] <Mitario> hmm, with what app do I send a file to a bluetooth device (e.g. mobile phone)
[05:07] <Nermal> Mitario, probably an obex push tool
[05:07] <membreya> to disable it you do the sudo password -l root
[05:07] <Mitario> Nermal, do you know of one?
[05:07] <Nermal> Mitario, try this: http://zenit.xs4all.nl/html/deb6230en.html
[05:07] <zapallito> see ya
[05:07] <Nermal> #ussp-push /dev/rfcomm0 /home/user/test.jpg test.jpg
[05:07] <Nermal> for example
[05:07] <Nermal> but I don't think it's in ubuntu, just debian
[05:08] <Nermal> or just type bluetooth:/// in nautilus
[05:08] <membreya> get that Echylo ?
[05:08] <Echylo> yes hang on
[05:08] <membreya> don't you "hang on" me mista
[05:09] <Echylo> &&" slap slap slap slap &"&
[05:09] <Echylo> that was an answer
[05:09] <membreya> did it work Echylo ?
[05:09] <Echylo> omg I gonna slap you :p
[05:10] <membreya> :D
[05:10] <membreya> it's 3 am
[05:10] <membreya> gotta be up in 5 hours
[05:10] <Echylo> yea it was funny :P
[05:11] <fesja> hi,
[05:11] <ali> membreya, 3am where the hell are you ?
[05:11] <membreya> melbourne, aus
[05:11] <ssgtfu> hey
[05:11] <Echylo> and for example, if I add echylo:mkpasswdgenerated to the users list?
[05:11] <Echylo> will it work that way?
[05:11] <ali> membreya, k
[05:12] <membreya> Echylo: did changing the root password allow you to login ?
[05:12] <ssgtfu> have a question what does hoary, jigit & warty mean?
[05:12] <Echylo> no
[05:12] <fesja> how can i change between the speaker and the headphones in the config ? is it possible ?
[05:12] <membreya> you're doing it wrong then
[05:12] <membreya> HOW did you do it ?
[05:12] <Echylo> like you said
[05:13] <membreya> did you do a sudo passwd root?
[05:13] <membreya> and then type the password twice?
[05:13] <Echylo> hahahaha
[05:13] <Echylo> I managed :P
[05:13] <Echylo> I added echylo as user
[05:13] <Echylo> and that way it helped :p
[05:13] <Echylo> ow
[05:13] <Echylo> wait
[05:13] <Echylo> You do not have access to any Webmin modules.
[05:13] <Echylo> guess it's root thing
[05:13] <membreya> yup :)
[05:14] <Echylo> back to zero
[05:14] <ali> Echylo, ahhhh...install it manually !
[05:14] <Echylo> yes yes
[05:14] <Echylo> wait you
[05:14] <Echylo> ok
[05:14] <Echylo> I succeeded :)
[05:15] <Echylo> logged in as root
[05:15] <Echylo> next question!
[05:15] <Echylo> just kiddin btw I'll leave y'all alone :p
[05:16] <tritium> Nermal, last time I saw you you cussed somebody out and steamed off...
[05:17] <Nermal> tritium, you lucky thing
[05:17] <dazed|> that test was a JOKE!!!!!
[05:17] <Nermal> probably dealing with another RTFM retard
[05:17] <dazed|> True/False...Linux is the new Windows....ROFL!!!!
[05:17] <Nermal> dazed|, stfu dear
[05:17] <tritium> Nermal, don't
[05:17] <dazed|> shows a picture of windows Command Prompt "This is an example of a Command Line True/False" lol
[05:17] <Echylo> ?
[05:18] <Nermal> tritium, ?
[05:18] <edulix> hi !
[05:20] <edulix> to disable ipv6 in kubuntu should I just change in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases from "alias net-pf-10 off" to "alias net-pf-10 off" ?
[05:20] <Coily> whats the command for displaying the fs of a partition? the command for the speed/mode of the disk would be useful too
[05:20] <edulix> you mean mounted partitions ?
[05:21] <Coily> yes
[05:21] <supos> mount?
[05:21] <edulix> df -h shows nicely mounted partitions
[05:21] <edulix> mount does also
[05:21] <Coily> thanks
[05:21] <Nermal> speed mode = hdparm
[05:21] <Nermal> or dmesg |grep hda
[05:22] <GilGalad> Hi. I am trying so install plone but I am failing in the last step (I think). I have installed all the zope related products but I get an error when installing the plone-site package. Has anybody gone through this.
[05:22] <Coily> thanks again
[05:22] <GilGalad> The error is: dpkg: error processing plone-site (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 23
[05:22] <tritium> Anubis, were you the one asking about clearing recent documents sometime back?
[05:23] <Xappe> tritium, is that bug fixed yet?
[05:23] <Nermal> GilGalad, probably the installation script trying to use python2.3 and you have python2.4 installed
[05:23] <tritium> Xappe, it appears to be, yes.
[05:23] <neighborlee> Im seeing like 66 package updates/day in hoary preview release and wondering is this normal ? ;-)
[05:23] <Levander> Any good apache modules that support "play on server" in the repositories?
[05:23] <Nermal> GilGalad, edit the configuration script and s/2.3/2/4
[05:23] <Xappe> tritium, ah, lookie...the recent documents is cleared
[05:23] <dazed|> lol
[05:24] <tritium> Xappe, ;)
[05:24] <daniels> jono: hey dude, how goes?
[05:24] <Nermal> s/s\/2.3\/2\/4/s\/2.3\/2.4
[05:24] <GilGalad> Nermal, which configuration script?
[05:24] <Nermal> the plone one
[05:25] <GilGalad> lost
[05:26] <motuline> why mplayer don't open video window.. it just plays the file.. no sound no video  :o
[05:26] <Nermal> GilGalad, not sure where dpkg puts it during installation
[05:26] <Xappe> i'm *this* close to removing my winXP partition
[05:27] <GilGalad> Nermal, i am looking at files on /var/lib/dpkg/info where all plone* postinst, etc. files are...
[05:27] <Nermal> aye.. me too
[05:27] <Nermal> can;t remember where it is
[05:27] <ShadeofGrey> how do i use apt-get to update my firefox install from 1.0 to 1.01 ?
[05:27] <GilGalad> but no sign of python2.3 there....
[05:27] <Nermal> use hoary
[05:27] <GilGalad> I am
[05:27] <Nermal> no.. ShadeofGrey
[05:28] <PacoBCN> wow, 90 updates today
[05:28] <Nermal> concept of release based distribution is obviously new to him
[05:28] <ssam> gearing up for array cd 7
[05:28] <tritium> If you can't say anything nice...
[05:28] <ShadeofGrey> so theres no way to update firefox from cmdline?
[05:29] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, you're still using Warty?
[05:29] <tritium> or Hoary?
[05:31] <fr500> how do i make ping to a list of ip addresses located in an archive?
[05:31] <kotatsu> fr500: depends on the formatting
[05:31] <ShadeofGrey> tritium:  no - hoary
[05:32] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, it should upgrade automatically, in that case.
[05:32] <kotatsu> ShadeofGrey: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:32] <fr500> is just the list with one address per line no more
[05:32] <Xappe> hmm, no 2.6.10-5-ppc?
[05:32] <ShadeofGrey> okay wait how dfo i checkif its hoary or warty?
[05:33] <tritium> cat /etc/issue
[05:33] <kotatsu> fr500: for i in $( cat <archive-name> ); do ping "$i"; done
[05:33] <kotatsu> or if it's gzip you have to use zcat
[05:33] <ShadeofGrey> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[05:33] <kotatsu> gzipped*
[05:33] <ShadeofGrey> thats what ive got
[05:33] <fr500> thanks ill try it now
[05:34] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, what does apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox tell you?
[05:34] <jdub> DUDES!
[05:35] <jdub> WHOA!
[05:35] <jdub> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
[05:35] <Nermal> ?
[05:35] <tritium> you should see a 1.0.1-2ubuntu1 installation candidate, ShadeofGrey
[05:35] <ShadeofGrey> yeah igot it
[05:35] <Nermal> dude... give it a decent name :|
[05:35] <ShadeofGrey> its installing
[05:35] <Nermal> rabid hamster or something
[05:35] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, what did you have installed?
[05:35] <Bwl> Just wanted to say thanks for all ubuntu devs. Been using Debian since slink and am stunned. Now goingto change my last computer to ubuntu. ;)
[05:35] <daniels> Nermal: dude, it's so much better than the previous candidate that it's not funny
[05:36] <ssam> sure rabid rabit
[05:36] <Nermal> aye :)
[05:36] <chillywilly> anyone running ubuntu on a production server?
[05:36] <Nermal> daniels, thats not too difficult ;)
[05:36] <Nermal> "dave" or "jim" perhaps
[05:37] <Nermal> I'm just bitchy as I'm tired :|
[05:37] <virtuald> what's SABDFL?
[05:37] <tritium> Mark
[05:38] <sandino> hello all. just installaed ubuntu.. how can i access my root account and drop this sudo crap
[05:38] <virtuald> sandino: sudo passwd
[05:38] <kotatsu> sandino: $ sudo passwd
[05:38] <sandino> virtuald k can i then del sudo ..?
[05:39] <Nermal> something something "best distribution for linux?"
[05:40] <sandino> slackware is "best distribution for linux"   something like that ..?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> sandino: use sudo -s to get a root shell
[05:40] <Goshawk> sandino, use sudo is better for security
[05:40] <EsK> how do i get MP3 support for rhythmbox
[05:40] <sandino> i dont believe its better for security
[05:40] <Goshawk> sandino, since all the commands are logged in
[05:40] <sandino> i just want to del it
[05:40] <Xappe> EsK, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:40] <ells> tritium: what is up mike
[05:40] <tritium> sandino, various apps depend on gksu, which in turn depends on sudo
[05:41] <EsK> okay
[05:41] <tritium> ells, hey Steve
[05:41] <ells> I figured out what is causing my xmms issues
[05:41] <sandino> crap. i knew tis wasto happen going
[05:41] <EsK> my xmms wont plat
[05:41] <EsK> play*
[05:41] <kain> either mine
[05:41] <sandino> oh well, this is for the living room
[05:41] <kain> xmms on hoary seems broken
[05:41] <tritium> ells, oh, what was it?
[05:41] <ells> tritium: it is a library that is updated when I update to hoary
[05:41] <Xappe> EsK, change to ESD output in xmms
[05:41] <tritium> sandino, what's the matter?
[05:41] <ells> tritium: it wokrs in warty
[05:41] <EsK> okay
[05:41] <thoreauputic> EsK: install libmikmod2
[05:41] <Nermal> use beep-media-player for christ sake
[05:41] <tritium> ells, oh?  which one?
[05:41] <ells> tritium: I wont be installing any upated libraries
[05:42] <ells> tritium: not sure exactly, I have narrowed to a few
[05:42] <Xappe> Nermal, same, same, but different ey ;)
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Nermal: not everyone knows about beep :)
[05:42] <ells> tritium: lots of time invested in fixing this one
[05:42] <Nermal> supports alsa out of the box :|
[05:42] <Nermal> and is pwetty gtk2 ;)
[05:42] <f3tus_> i deleted my panel at the top, is there a quick way to get that back?
[05:43] <tritium> ells, as long as you care enough about xmms to use it instead of another player...
[05:43] <ells> tritium: you will like this one Mike, My partner was trying to fix it and he broke my system, all kernels, had to update, not mad, done it so much , easy
[05:43] <thoreauputic> f3tus_: right click panel. add new panel
[05:43] <sandino> tritium well i have slackware systems , but i was looking for something for the kids, i just want to be able to takke stuff out, this sudo is something that i never liked.
[05:43] <cocol> cright click on the lower taskbar
[05:43] <ells> tritium: well Mike I could not play any mp3 at all
[05:43] <f3tus_> thoreauputic, the whole top bar is gone
[05:43] <sandino> let me see what i can do here
[05:44] <Nermal> f3tus_, congratulations
[05:44] <f3tus_> :(
[05:44] <thoreauputic> f3tus_: click the bottom one
[05:44] <tritium> sandino, it would probably be better to leave it in, if for no other reason, for the apps that depend on gksu.  Other than that, you can give root a password and use su
[05:44] <dazed|> f3tus_: right click the lower task bar
[05:44] <ells> tritium: I am reupgrading to hoary as we speak
[05:44] <dazed|> and click add task bar
[05:44] <thoreauputic> f3tus_: you can add menus etc
[05:44] <sandino> tritium k
[05:44] <f3tus_> i cant get the old back huh
[05:44] <tritium> ells, okay.  You haven't considered any other players?
[05:44] <ells> tritium: any suggestions
[05:45] <kain> rhythmbox is fine for me
[05:45] <thoreauputic> f3tus_: you can, you just rebuild it with the menus and applets you want
[05:45] <ells> kain, maybe I will that one
[05:45] <Xappe> beep is quite ok, too
[05:45] <ells> really impartial,ya know
[05:45] <kain> is somewhat different from xmms, but it works and has a nice interface
[05:46] <tritium> ells, I thought you were going to switch to the kde media player a-something
[05:46] <ells> tritium: Mike, do you know of any good wireless desktop cards that will work out of the box, well I tried that Amarok, did not work either
[05:46] <ells> tritium: definately some library that was conflicting or something
[05:46] <tritium> ells, have you tried rhythmbox or beep?
[05:47] <ells> tritium, rythm box a few times, beep naw
[05:47] <Solatis> breezing badger?!
[05:47] <Solatis> mushrooms mushrooms!
[05:47] <jdub> chillywilly: i'm running ubuntu on two production servers
[05:47] <ells> tritium: until I finish the upgrade, I am listening to my iPod
[05:47] <thoreauputic> Solatis:aargh! SnaaaaaaaaaaKe!!
[05:48] <Solatis> thoreauputic: hehehe :P
[05:48] <ells> tritium: I am jamming, ha ha
[05:48] <jdub> chillywilly: now that hoary is in preview, i'm running them on hoary, too, for testing :)
[05:48] <tritium> ells, well, good luck, whichever you decide to use.
[05:48] <ells> tritium: thanks Mike
[05:48] <ells> tritium: we got a buttload of snow in the last few days man
[05:49] <tritium> So did Albuquerque, I hear.
[05:49] <ells> tritium: hear the same Mike
[05:49] <fr500> kotatsu, same basic question, now i want to add a lot of routes stored in a file in the format <IP_ADDRESS>/24 via <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth1, now i need to read the file line by line not word by word
[05:49] <ells> tritium: your boys ND lost to HOly Cross yesterday
[05:49] <fr500> kotatsu, the command i need to run is ip route add "line"
[05:49] <tritium> ells, thanks for reminding me :(
[05:49] <ells> tritium: sorry mike, just tracking em
[05:50] <ells> tritium: Go AAAAARRRRRIIIIIIZZZZZOOOONNNNNAAAA
[05:50] <ells> that was arizona
[05:50] <tritium> heh
[05:50] <ells> tritium: somebody has to represent
[05:50] <dazed|> lol
[05:51] <dazed|> UNC is going to take it home this year though
[05:51] <ells> tritium: hey Mike, do you have any opinion on Debian
[05:51] <sandino> hey quick question .. i see that there is (are) 150 updates .. what software sources should i pick. i am using 5.04  which is beta i beleive
[05:51] <f3tus> wheres the panel configuration stuff saved, could i copy the default settings from another user?
[05:51] <ells> tritium: for the laptop
[05:51] <ells> tritium: seems to take more config
[05:51] <tritium> ells, it's fine, I just have a stronger preference for ubuntu
[05:52] <ells> tritium: ubuntu seems to work better out the box
[05:52] <sandino> yeah this ubuntu installed good so far on thsi laptop
[05:52] <thoreauputic> f3tus: a more drastic way is to back up all your ~/.gnome files and restartgnome - should regenerate to default
[05:52] <kotatsu> fr500: cat <ip-list> | while read line; do ip <stuff> "$line"; done
[05:52] <kotatsu> fr500: the quotes "" around $line are important btw, don't leave them out
[05:52] <tritium> sandino, :)
[05:52] <thoreauputic> f3tus: or delete them
[05:52] <f3tus> ohhh
[05:52] <fr500> kotatsu, tanks
[05:53] <tritium> ells, you're not going to take ubuntu off, are you?
[05:53] <f3tus> okay thanks
[05:53] <sandino> tritium are you a deveeloper ?
[05:53] <sandino> developer
[05:53] <tritium> sandino, no...working on a few package that may be in universe, some day...
[05:53] <ells> tritium: hey Mike, now that I have upgraded a few times to hoary, my wireless card wont work in Warty, but works fine in Hoary, cannot get an IP in Warty. Naw, Ubuntu all the way
[05:53] <sandino> and how can i get mozilla instead of this annoying firefox
[05:53] <ells> sandino, apt-get it
[05:53] <kotatsu> sandino: install mozilla-browser
[05:54] <thoreauputic> sandino: just sudo apt-get install mozilla
[05:54] <kotatsu> and firefox IS annoying... use epiphany! =P
[05:54] <kain> I've seen that there's already a bug report that firefox on hoary 1.0.1 simply just don't download files at some point
[05:54] <tritium> ells, glad to hear it works for you
[05:54] <kain> that's annoying
[05:54] <thoreauputic> why is firefox annoying?
[05:54] <sandino> thanks. i need to read about this apt-get ..  im use to manually installation
[05:54] <kotatsu> thoreauputic: because it's not epiphany ;)
[05:54] <sandino> thoreauputic  never liked it.. ive always liked the stock mozilla
[05:54] <ells> tritium, hopefully when I get done upgrading my audio will still work. keep your fingers crossed
[05:55] <tritium> yep
[05:55] <dazed|> lol
[05:55] <Xappe> kain, i realized the same thing today. it won't download from ftp
[05:55] <kain> yes
[05:55] <kain> there's already a bug report filled
[05:55] <kain> we must wait
[05:55] <thoreauputic> bah *restarting
[05:55] <Ajaleo> hello
[05:56] <dazed|> lol thoreauputic
[05:56] <sandino> in sofwatre preferences for the updates.. i should use source or binary according to my version .. ?
[05:56] <kotatsu> thoreauputic: epiphany is better than firefox, kde sucks, and also my schlong is bigger than yours
[05:56] <sandino> ha.
[05:57] <kain> you should use binary unless you want to compile something from a source deb package
[05:57] <thoreauputic> kotatsu:  dillo RuL3Z !!
[05:57] <dazed|> kotatsu: uhoh you have done it now
[05:57] <Myrtti> I have bigger tits than any of you.
[05:57] <sandino> k. damn this reminds me of ximain
[05:57] <sandino> ximian
[05:57] <Myrtti> And that is a fact
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:57] <dazed|> bigger then mine id hope...since i have none
[05:57] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: that I won't argue with... :)
[05:57] <sandino> well if you are a woman i would care .. otherwise ..
[05:58] <Myrtti> sandino: http://irc.fi/myrtti
[05:58] <Myrtti> feel free to find out
[05:59] <kotatsu> I've typed several responses, and yet I choose to hold my tongue
[05:59] <kotatsu> hmmm
[05:59] <sandino> nice.
[05:59] <EsK> how do i check which version of GTK i have
[06:00] <tritium> I think we found the next ubuntu-calendar girl
[06:00] <miguellinux> Hi, Im trying to install ubuntu warty powerpc on a imac 333 but there is no X, witch tool I can use for that?
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:00] <kotatsu> EsK: dpkg -l | grep gtk
[06:01] <csorrell> I just upgraded my firefox and now when I go to download any files, it doesn't work....doesn't even show up in the downloads panel
[06:01] <kotatsu> EsK: or better yet, $ apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0
[06:01] <ells> tritium: ya know Mike, I think I will stay with Warty, until the stable release of Hoary comes out
[06:01] <LordGrunt> hi
[06:01] <kain> csorrell, it is a know issue, will be fixed
[06:01] <Myrtti> oh, and that text on the shirt... #nerdettes in Finnish
[06:01] <ells> only a month and some change
[06:01] <neighborlee> csorrell, know bug
[06:01] <neighborlee> csorrell, known
[06:02] <tritium> ells, whatever suits you best, buddy
[06:02] <csorrell> Thanks
[06:02] <neighborlee> kain, didn't see your reply
[06:02] <EsK> okay thanks
[06:02] <dazed|> Myrtti: whats your name mean is it in another language?
[06:02] <sandino> Myrtti so you live in finland ..?>
[06:02] <ells> tritium: I like my music, dont want to risk a reinstall or something
[06:02] <LordGrunt> what do you suggest to use if i want to have automatically mounting and unmounting cdrom? cause it sucks as it is now ;)
[06:02] <kotatsu> gvm?
[06:02] <kain> neighborlee, I just read bugzilla, that's it
[06:02] <Myrtti> dazed|: Myrtle
[06:02] <kain> today I will create an account and start contributing
[06:02] <Myrtti> sandino: that's right
[06:02] <tritium> ells, not like you haven't done that umpteen times now ;)
[06:02] <sandino> see what happens when you admit to be a woman.. interest  !
[06:03] <kain> hey, I installed ubuntu only yesterday
[06:03] <kain> :D
[06:03] <neighborlee> kain, I knew already from use and from reading forums <G>
[06:03] <ells> tritium: really, I am install expert
[06:03] <sandino> Myrtti cool , one of my favorite bands is from Finland
[06:03] <neighborlee> kain, excellent!!!
[06:03] <ells> tritium: as a blind man, I could make a good living
[06:03] <neighborlee> kain, how do you like it ? ;-)
[06:03] <PacoBCN> I see now gaim-encryption is an ubuntu package
[06:03] <PacoBCN> great
[06:03] <Myrtti> which one, Rasmus, HIM...?
[06:03] <Myrtti> Kemopetrol?
[06:03] <Mayr> i don't see subtitles in XINE?
[06:03] <sandino> The Circle
[06:03] <dazed|> sandino: one of my favorite bands is from finland
[06:03] <Myrtti> :-)
[06:03] <sandino> Mayr depends on the movie?
[06:04] <dazed|> Myrtti: HIM is my alll time favorite band
[06:04] <sandino> what is HIM
[06:04] <Mayr> Sandino, speak spanish
[06:04] <sandino> why
[06:04] <kain> neighborlee, I think that ubuntu from my pov is the first gnu/linux distribution to be perfectly suitable for desktop and normal users
[06:04] <Myrtti> but back to the ubuntutalk
[06:04] <dazed|> His Infernal Majesty ... greatest band ever
[06:04] <kotatsu> kain: my boss, my boss's mother, and my younger sister are all using Warty
[06:04] <sandino> what kind of music
[06:04] <kain> kotatsu, that's nice
[06:05] <Mayr> i am latinoamerican, my english is bab
[06:05] <kotatsu> <3 ubuntu... it really cuts down on my out-of-work tech support time =P
[06:05] <Myrtti> I went to my schools computer centre to ask about Citrix not working... they could tell me only that they haven't gotten it working from their homes either
[06:05] <kotatsu> no more cleaning up windows!
[06:05] <tizen> wow
[06:05] <tizen> 75 updates
[06:05] <thoreauputic> Mayr:  #ubuntu-es
[06:05] <PacoBCN> tizen, 90 here
[06:05] <kain> yes, they update also x.org to 6.8.2-4
[06:06] <bert-> Hi, can i ask something here?
[06:06] <Myrtti> I had only three
[06:06] <Myrtti> bert-: you just did
[06:06] <bert-> :)
[06:06] <Mayr> Sandino, the movie is format DVD
[06:06] <rob> hey you guys know how to change the settings of the mouse on a laptop from the default of regestering a click when you move your finger?
[06:06] <keyhack> I installed a JRE from Sun's website by hand, but FireFox doesn't seem to think it has the plugin required to run an applet. How can I get FireFox to know about the JRE?
[06:06] <sandino> question; can i use this kernel config on another distro?
[06:06] <PacoBCN> I'll tell you something funny. My gfriend barely knows how to use a computer, just to surf and download email. Well, she was talking to a friend of her and I heard her saying: Come on, install linux, it's much better than Windows :)
[06:07] <PacoBCN> Probably she heard me saying so
[06:07] <bert-> I would like to know how i can make it possible to set my screen resolution to 1400x1050 .. Currently it seems to be set at 1280x1024 and i can't set it higher...
[06:07] <sandino> Mayr well it also depends if that movie comes with subtitiles. besides use mplayer; its the best
[06:07] <kain> sandino, yes, but be aware that ubuntu uses customized patches, so when you use a .config but sure to issue a make oldconfig
[06:07] <thoreauputic> keyhack: follow the howto on http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:07] <tritium> keyhack, i used java-package to build a .deb, and the plugin works just fine
[06:07] <AngryClip> keyhack: check ubuntuguide.org
[06:07] <sandino> k
[06:07] <rob> probbly cause it looks cooler pacoBCN
[06:07] <Mayr> Sandino, mplayer i can't install
[06:08] <PacoBCN> Rob, I asked her about it and she said it's easier to use
[06:08] <rob> cool.
[06:08] <PacoBCN> yup
[06:08] <AngryClip> bert-: change x server config file
[06:08] <Levander> Is a web listing of the repositories available directly from the ubuntu web sites.  I mean a listing of the packages in the repositories, like this one: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/libdevel/libboost-dev
[06:08] <PacoBCN> I'm proud of her
[06:08] <kain> I started using totem based on xine-lib + libdvdcss2
[06:08] <rob> damn mouse with its random clocking
[06:08] <sandino> Mayr why ?
[06:08] <kain> works nice
[06:08] <AngryClip> leonel: I think there is something like that listed on the wiki
[06:08] <PacoBCN> so one of these days I'll have to go to her friend's house to install hoary
[06:08] <PacoBCN> :D
[06:08] <kain> Levander, no, not yet, it will come
[06:08] <Mayr> the dependece fail
[06:09] <Mayr> libarts
[06:09] <sandino> Mayr well do you ustall from source
[06:09] <sandino> install
[06:09] <Levander> kain: okay, guess I will just use this unoffical one I linked to for time being, thanks
[06:09] <bert-> AngryClip, could you please help me a little bit more? what exactly do i need to do?
[06:09] <leonel> AngryClip: really ?
[06:09] <kain> Levander, yes, I'm also curious everytime a package upgrade to read its changelog
[06:10] <LordGrunt> just installing autofs will be enough to my cdrom behave as expected?
[06:10] <Myrtti> PacoBCN: wait for official release of hoary and go then
[06:10] <AngryClip> oops leonel, I ment Levander
[06:10] <AngryClip> apologies
[06:10] <sandino> bbl...
[06:10] <AngryClip> bert-: are you using xorg or XFree ?
[06:10] <bert-> i think xorg
[06:10] <EsK> could you get wine on ubuntu
[06:10] <AngryClip> open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a text editor
[06:10] <kain> EsK, yes, add universe repos
[06:10] <EsK> oh
[06:10] <leonel> AngryClip: I know   :)
[06:11] <PacoBCN> Myrrtti, don't want to. I'm pretty happy with hoary already
[06:11] <bert-> AngryClip, yep, it's Xorg
[06:11] <ubll> When is the expected release of Hoary?
[06:11] <PacoBCN> Myrtti, I doubt there will be many changes
[06:11] <EsK> because i like the realtek equalizer that came with my xp comp
[06:11] <AngryClip> bert-: and under the "screen" section
[06:11] <PacoBCN> and if there are I'll just upgrade it
[06:11] <thoreauputic> ubll: april 6
[06:11] <tritium> kain, maybe you'd be interested in installing apt-listchanges, if you're reading all the changelogs
[06:11] <ubll> thanks
[06:11] <Myrtti> PacoBCN: but with the official install CD you'll have a lot less downloading from the net
[06:11] <AngryClip> bert-: is where you can specify the resoultion, you have to be root to save the file though, and then restart the xserver
[06:12] <kain> tritium, yes, yesterday someone pointed this me out, but I forgot, thanks
[06:12] <tritium> kain, np
[06:12] <AngryClip> bert-: by pressing ctl+alt+backspace
[06:12] <keyhack> Ok, second question, is there a way to have my laptop screen act as one monitor, and a hooked up CRT act as a separate desktop? (I dont want my screen on the laptop to be on the monitor, I  want it to be a separate one all together)
[06:12] <Myrtti> and less hassle
[06:12] <Levander> hey, when is hoary due out of beta again?
[06:12] <Myrtti> in a month, approx
[06:12] <AngryClip> Levander: april I think
[06:12] <ubll> Is there a site where I could put in my hardware and see how well Linux/Ubuntu supports it?
[06:13] <tizen> ubll: Easiest way would be to try the livecd
[06:13] <ironwolf> ubll: best thing would be to try the LiveCD.
[06:13] <tritium> ubll, soon...
[06:13] <ubll> thanks thanks and ok cool
[06:13] <Levander> all excited about mysql-query-browser, is a lot better client than that clunky mysqlcc, can see it's already in hoary universe
[06:13] <PacoBCN> Myrtti, true, but that won't be crucial
[06:13] <kain> btw the harware data reporter to submit my hw to ubuntu database is not working
[06:13] <bert-> AngryClip, the weird thing is 1400x1050 is already added in my xorg.conf file, in the screen section, with some color depth modes etc, but i can't seem to choose the resolution if i go to System > Preferences > Screen Resolution in Gnome...
[06:13] <PacoBCN> Myrtti, I'll install it remotely if needed
[06:13] <tritium> kain, it's being worked on at this very moment
[06:14] <kain> k
[06:14] <EsK> where would i find the xorg.conf file?
[06:14] <tritium> there will be a new version soon
[06:14] <AngryClip> bert-: I dunno then
[06:14] <kain> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:14] <Xappe> bert, do you have your screens vertical and horizontal refresh rates?
[06:14] <PacoBCN> one question, guys, any of you uses aMule?
[06:14] <Levander> tritium, u r working for ubuntu? or u keep up w their development announcements?
[06:14] <bert-> nope, i've tried looking for them, but i can't find them anywhere in my manual or on the website of my laptop manufacturer
[06:15] <Micksa> don't suppose anyone knows why I can't change the mouse sensitivity in hoary?
[06:15] <tritium> Levander, no, I don't work for ubuntu, but I work with some of the guys that are developing it
[06:15] <Levander> tritium: where u work?
[06:16] <tritium> Levander, I don't mean at my place of employment
[06:16] <Levander> tritium: well then how u work w them?
[06:16] <tritium> IRC
[06:16] <Levander> tritium: okay, cool
[06:17] <Xappe> bert-, then I guess you have to google a bit and perhaps ask at the forums
[06:17] <thoreauputic> Levander: that's how a lot of linux development happens - on the Net
[06:19] <difeta> how can i login to my cups admin tool? localhost:631  my root username and password do not work
[06:20] <sandino> where can i find the kernel stuff..
[06:20] <Xappe> difeta, you have to unlock the admin function. /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[06:20] <difeta> Xappe, ahh thanks
[06:21] <sandino> like .config etc..
[06:21] <NeverTheLess> I have d-link usb dongle wlan adapter and I want it to work with version 5.04. Am I correct to install linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre21.tar.gz???
[06:21] <tritium> sandino, /boot
[06:21] <thoreauputic> difeta: at the top of the screen there's a message about security, I believe
[06:21] <LordGrunt> or maybe using supermount will help. pls, anyone? im stuck...
[06:21] <Xappe> difeta, but you can do your admin with that file too I believe
[06:21] <thoreauputic> difeta: do you see that message?
[06:21] <difeta> thoreauputic, yep
[06:22] <sandino> tritium looking for the linux dir so i can copy the kernel to do make oldconfig
[06:22] <kain> sandino, if you're searching for the ubuntu .config kernel file you can find a copy in /boot
[06:22] <tritium> sandino, you would need install a linux-source package
[06:23] <difeta> thoreauputic, what do i do about it? I cant seem to find the line in cupsd.conf
[06:23] <sandino> hmmm there isnt /usr/src/linux .?
[06:23] <sandino> why
[06:23] <tritium> kain, src isn't installed by default
[06:23] <kain> sandino, only if you install kernel-source
[06:23] <kain> and it's unpacked
[06:23] <sandino> ah k
[06:23] <tritium> and as I and kain mentioned, configs for running kernel are in /boot
[06:23] <kain> tritium, I found the kernel config in /boot
[06:23] <kain> no need to install kernel-source
[06:23] <tritium> kain, yeah, I mentioned that to him above
[06:23] <kain> okkey
[06:24] <tritium> you'd want linux-source for ubuntu kernels, not kernel-source
[06:24] <kain> I was shocked when hoary detected without inputs my 2200g centrino
[06:24] <kain> :D
[06:24] <LordGrunt> does latest kernel have supermount suport?
[06:24] <kain> 2200g?
[06:24] <kain> BG
[06:24] <sandino> i want too try to use this kernel config on another distro.. whats the best way
[06:25] <kain> sandino, keep in mind that this is a .config that includes pratically everything
[06:25] <thoreauputic> difeta: do you need this? have you used the gnome cups config tool?
[06:25] <daniels> (and for my next trick, i'll type the nick right this time)
[06:25] <fabbione> sandino: mostlikely it won't work
[06:25] <sandino> k
[06:25] <fabbione> our kernel is heavily patches
[06:25] <fabbione> if the other source doesn't have the same patches
[06:25] <kain> fabbione, a make oldconfig can make the trick?
[06:26] <fabbione> one feature that is enable in our kernel might not be in the other
[06:26] <Amaranth> daniels: You're going to have to stick around if you want to stop those.
[06:26] <kain> I think yes
[06:26] <fabbione> kain: no. that's not enough
[06:26] <petemc> am i right in thinking to use a framebuffer console with an ubuntu kernel, i need to put the relevant modules in /etc/mkinitrd/modules?
[06:26] <Amaranth> daniels: This is one of ~8 channels they join, all with different IPs and nicks.
[06:26] <daniels> Amaranth: yeah, sigh
[06:26] <LordGrunt> hmm, was i silenced ir what? pls, help me about this cdrom thing, im stuck
[06:26] <daniels> let's see if we have any onjoiners
[06:26] <fabbione> kain: scenario: feature A is turned off on distro foo because is known to be broken
[06:27] <fabbione> kain: we enable feature A becuase it is fixed in our tree
[06:27] <Amaranth> I never knew mIRC scripting could do low level socket access before I saw taht.
[06:27] <Amaranth> err, that
[06:27] <fabbione> kain: if he enables the feature becuase of our config
[06:27] <fabbione> kain: he will be doomed to death
[06:27] <kain> I understand
[06:27] <NeverTheLess> anybody knows what I need to install the linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre21.tar.gz
[06:28] <NeverTheLess> Do I have to install the kernel source tree??
[06:28] <PacoBCN> weird bug: My clock time isn't correct and I can't fix it
[06:28] <tritium> NeverTheLess, linux-headers are usually all that's necessary to build modules
[06:28] <drspin> I have a quick nvidia question -- every time I'm done playing Q3 I have to restart X because the resolution doesn't change... any ideas?
[06:29] <kain> PacoBCN, have you tried ntpdate <ntpserverhere> ?
[06:29] <thoreauputic> PacoBCN: try sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart
[06:29] <LordGrunt> i found kernel-patch-2.4-supermount-ng, can i install it on newer kernel?
[06:29] <tritium> NeverTheLess, you're using the ubuntu .debs, aren't you?
[06:29] <tux> I have a question about firefox in hoary: when I try to save a file, firefox doesn't do it.
[06:29] <tux> All seems OK but when I try to find the saved file, I can't find it.
[06:29] <kain> tux, known issue
[06:30] <NeverTheLess> just installed the Hoary preview on ppc system
[06:30] <tux> kain: you mean it is a bug
[06:30] <kain> yes tux
[06:30] <PacoBCN> never mind, fixed it unchecking UTC
[06:30] <kain> as said before there's alreay a bugzilla entry for this
[06:30] <PacoBCN> weird
[06:30] <PacoBCN> :S
[06:30] <deFrysk> tux, try look in Destop or in my downloads
[06:31] <PacoBCN> I was late during 2 days
[06:31] <deFrysk> *Desktop
[06:31] <PacoBCN> :(
[06:31] <NeverTheLess> tritium, what do you mean with linux headers?
[06:31] <kain> deFrysk, issue is another, when saving a file download windows doesn't show up and no file will be downloaded
[06:31] <tritium> NeverTheLess, Hoary has linux-wlan-ng.  linux-headers package will allow you to compile kernel modules.
[06:32] <deFrysk> kain, oh ?
[06:32] <kain> deFrysk, it happens on hoary with firefox 1.0.1
[06:32] <NeverTheLess> tritium, do you mind explaing a bit more detailed? :)
[06:32] <deFrysk> kain, checking...
[06:32] <tritium> NeverTheLess, have you apt-get installed linux-wlan-ng?
[06:32] <kain> k
[06:33] <Niomi> meow.
[06:33] <Niomi> hello all
[06:33] <kain> deFrysk, first time it works, then suddendly stops, if you care to delete your profile it starting working again and then stops again
[06:33] <NeverTheLess> tritium, only problem is that I dont have a regular internet connection. I only have a wlan usb adapter, which isnt working
[06:33] <tritium> NeverTheLess, oh, I see...
[06:35] <phas> Hi, i have a BIG problem with gstreamer-based media player. Simply they don't work.When I try to play a mp3, ogg, avi, mpg or everithyng else, they say that cannot read the file.Xine-based players work regulary.
[06:36] <NeverTheLess> tritium, I only have access to a wireless connection. So I guess I have to download it on another system and compile the thing?
[06:36] <deFrysk> kain, works fine here :s
[06:36] <tritium> NeverTheLess, yeah
[06:36] <thoreauputic> phas: have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad?
[06:36] <kain> as said, this happens sometimes
[06:36] <deFrysk> kain, ok
[06:37] <deFrysk> kain, the bug has been reported ?
[06:37] <kain> deFrysk, yes
[06:37] <NeverTheLess> tritium, what is the linux source directory?
[06:37] <deFrysk> kain, cool
[06:37] <deFrysk> NeverTheLess, /usr/src
[06:37] <phas> thoreauputic: yep!
[06:37] <kotatsu> what's the best way to convert avi and ogg video files to mpeg? the oggs are theora, no idea on the avi files
[06:37] <tritium> NeverTheLess, you'll need to download that too
[06:37] <kotatsu> I'm pretty much a video newb =)
[06:37] <phas> thor: i installed every gstreamer plugin
[06:38] <NeverTheLess> tritium, the linux source? and do what?
[06:38] <reon> I need to find out how to get w32codecs on AMD64, any ideas people ?
[06:38] <tritium> NeverTheLess, linux-headers should be all you need
[06:38] <thoreauputic> phas: OK - just trying to cover the obvious stuff :)
[06:38] <gangalino> mount: /dev/sg0 is not a block device -how can I fix this?
[06:39] <phas> thor :)
[06:39] <phas> but I really don't know what to think now :|
[06:39] <tritium> NeverTheLess, I can't step you through it.  I don't have it installed, and haven't done it.
[06:39] <avcarrilet> hey
[06:39] <NeverTheLess> tritium, where can i find that?
[06:40] <tritium> NeverTheLess, if you don't have internet access, you'll have to get it from another machine off of archive.ubuntu.com
[06:40] <thoreauputic> phas: gst-register-0.8  perhaps  (the command)
[06:41] <kain> goodbye everyone, see you soon
[06:41] <thoreauputic> phas: registers plugins
[06:41] <tritium> NeverTheLess, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/
[06:41] <NeverTheLess> tritium, so it is not installed by default? I do have a internet connection, but it is on macos x, so I would have to do a reboot every time I need some new files, and transfer them with a usb
[06:41] <phas> thor: done, it registers plugins but don't work
[06:41] <tritium> NeverTheLess, no, the source is not installed by default
[06:42] <deFrysk> phas on warty ?
[06:42] <phas> defrysk: yep
[06:42] <deFrysk> phas, try totem-xine
[06:42] <phas> defrysk: it works
[06:43] <deFrysk> ok
[06:43] <phas> defrysk: but HOW gstreamer don't work!!
[06:43] <phas> ehm why
[06:43] <phas> :P
[06:43] <deFrysk> phas, in gstreamer there is still room for improvement i think
[06:44] <deFrysk> In warty I always used totem-xine
[06:44] <deFrysk> gstreamer works much better in hoary
[06:44] <tritium> NeverTheLess, like I said, you should be able to compile it with linux-headers that match your kernel version
[06:44] <NeverTheLess> tritium, how do I install the linux headers?
[06:45] <phas> deFrysk: Finally resolved
[06:45] <phas> !!!
[06:45] <deFrysk> phas, col :)
[06:45] <tritium> NeverTheLess, did you see the URL I sent you above?
[06:45] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: mp3 and ogg certainly should work in warty
[06:45] <deFrysk> *cool
[06:45] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, yes
[06:45] <phas> it was needed to set the audio-output for gstreamer to ALSA
[06:45] <NeverTheLess> tritium, yes. I got the file I need. (linux-headers-2.6.10-5_2.6.10-28_powerpc.deb)
[06:45] <kensai> Kubuntu is useless as ubuntu runs better when you install kde by yourself I'm now in kde 3.4 with Composites and it runs better than kubuntu
[06:45] <thoreauputic> phas: aha
[06:46] <deFrysk> kensai, how true :D
[06:46] <deFrysk> phas, ooh :)
[06:46] <thoreauputic> kensai: kubuntu is still a young project :)
[06:46] <phas> hey, how i was supposed to know this?
[06:47] <tritium> NeverTheLess, great.  dpkg -i will install it
[06:47] <deFrysk> phas, in hoary i have to set stuff to esd
[06:47] <andreiz> hello guyz. please tell me an app to manage fonts in gnome for ubuntu. i've tried the ttmkfontdir trick but seg faults
[06:47] <deFrysk> phas, keep it in mind :)
[06:47] <tritium> NeverTheLess, (pass the package name too)
[06:47] <kensai> I am getting great FPS with composites enebled in kde 3.4
[06:47] <ssam> yay i got drop shadows working in gnome :-)
[06:47] <phas> i didn't even know about this freaking gstreamer-properties
[06:47] <thoreauputic> phas: it's odd - the gstreamer stuff was set right by default in my warty
[06:47] <kensai> I love mi nvidia based card
[06:47] <NeverTheLess> tritiu, should I install the linux-source too? if so, which one?
[06:48] <CellarDoor> oooeer I lurve my nvidia too
[06:48] <aracataca> hi everyone
[06:48] <CellarDoor> hello room
[06:48] <deFrysk> my old tnt is not working in hoary :(
[06:48] <kensai> deFrysk, thats bad
[06:48] <tritium> phas, System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector
[06:49] <CellarDoor> hehe
[06:49] <CellarDoor> greetings Montagh
[06:49] <deFrysk> kensai, old card declared obsolete by nvidia camouflaged as a bug
[06:49] <Montagh> hoi
[06:49] <aracataca> i need to execute a java-based application in firefox, but i get an error, saying something about x-java-vm   - i guess i need the java-plugin
[06:49] <NeverTheLess> tritium, should I install the linux-source too? if so, which one?
[06:49] <tritium> andreiz, there's a font preferences too
[06:49] <tritium> NeverTheLess, no
[06:49] <aracataca> could anyone tell the appropriate command to get it?
[06:50] <deFrysk> aracataca, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:50] <aracataca> allright
[06:51] <deFrysk> koffie
[06:51] <stuNNed> bah, it is the suck that we have to support these _RestrictedFormats_ :(
[06:52] <CellarDoor> If Sun open sourced Java then everyone would be happy... except maybe Sun
[06:53] <deFrysk> stuNNed, its great its well documented :)
[06:53] <miausX> hehehe :)
[06:53] <aracataca> i don't like these formats too, but there is one tool on a site i need
[06:53] <deFrysk> documentation on ubuntu is the best (next to gentoo)
[06:54] <deFrysk> CellarDoor, sun would be declared saint , and all saint are dead ;p
[06:54] <superted> im trying to install perlmagick, but it says that it depends on libmagick6 (= 5:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1) but 5:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1.4 is to be installed. since when did it hurt if the installation version was higher?
[06:55] <deFrysk> saints
[06:55] <CellarDoor> I find Apples behaviour with quicktime more annoying though
[06:55] <CellarDoor> at least its not hard to install java
[06:55] <phas> ok, now I have another big problem. I mount my windows partition with sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win1 but i cannot access it unless i'm root, and i cannot allow other account to acess it beacause it is a read-only partition.
[06:55] <phas> (the partition is in NTFS)
[06:56] <CellarDoor> ntfs is evil
[06:56] <tritium> phas, did you notice that gstreamer-properties _is_ in the menu?
[06:56] <deFrysk> add users to the line in fstab
[06:57] <deFrysk> or was it user ?
[06:57] <phas> Cellar: i know but what can i do?
[06:57] <zenrox> phas read www.ubuntuguide.org for mounting ntfs note: you cant write to ntfs with linux
[06:57] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: either, user allows the same user to umount, users allows anyone to umount
[06:58] <phas> zen: thx (note: yeah i know, microsoft didn't release specifications)
[06:58] <zenrox> phas,  to bad tho
[06:58] <sysrq> you can write to ntfs in linux, it just isn't very safe
[06:58] <zenrox> or its slow
[06:59] <thoreauputic> sysrq: that's an understatement :)
[06:59] <deFrysk> when he still had windows
[06:59] <zenrox> all of my partions are now ext3
[06:59] <tritium> phas, did you see my messages?
[07:00] <da5id> zenrox: no swap?
[07:00] <blueturtle> why is it dangerous? can it result in memory loss?
[07:01] <zenrox> da5id, ya i have swap its just 1/2 of my ram
[07:01] <tritium> yes, and nausea
[07:01] <thoreauputic> blueturtle: it can corrupt the filesystem
[07:01] <Jesterace> hmm
[07:01] <blueturtle> hmm
[07:01] <Jesterace> running kernel-2.6.10-5-k7
[07:01] <blueturtle> the ntfs filesystem
[07:01] <blueturtle> rather than ext3
[07:01] <blueturtle> ?
[07:01] <Jesterace> and my system thinks is 2.6.10-4-k6
[07:01] <zenrox> Jesterace, reboot
[07:02] <Jesterace> zenrox, i have
[07:02] <thoreauputic> blueturtle: well, since you are writing to ntfs, it would stuff ntfs, wouldn't it?
[07:02] <Jesterace> guess this is my first blurp with hoary
[07:02] <blueturtle> maybe, maybe not
[07:02] <Jesterace> 30 gigs isn't fun
[07:02] <Jesterace> heh
[07:02] <zenrox> specily on a 100mbs network
[07:03] <Jesterace> exactly
[07:03] <tritium> Jesterace, uname -r reports 2.6.10-5-k7 ?
[07:03] <zenrox> lol
[07:03] <Jesterace> tritium, yeah
[07:03] <deFrysk> then k7 it is
[07:03] <thoreauputic> blueturtle: bit hard to see how writing *from* ext3 to another filesystem can affect ext3
[07:03] <tritium> so what do you mean your system things it's  2.6.10-4-k6 ?
[07:03] <Jesterace> but when i try to recompile the alsa drivers it keeps searching for 2.6.10-4-k7 headers
[07:04] <McClane> lads i'm having trouble with Enemy territory, basically i want to do the usual "echo et.x86 .." stuff that u must do with all q3 based games but i don't know where to stick the commands in ubuntu :-/
[07:05] <NeverTheLess> tritium, would it be a solution for me to install a precompiled debian package. Can I avoid the linux header thing then? whats the difference?
[07:05] <blueturtle> thoreauputic: opening up filestreams, reading from, and leaving them hang isn't a very good idea either
[07:05] <tritium> NeverTheLess, the debian module package won't work with an ubuntu kernel.
[07:06] <blueturtle> all i'm saying is, you can't rule out corruption of a file when a transfer botchs
[07:08] <McClane> lads i'm having trouble with Enemy territory, basically i want to do the usual "echo et.x86 .." stuff that u must do with all q3 based games but i don't know where to stick the commands in ubuntu :-/
[07:10] <zenrox> nerolinux ROCKS
[07:11] <natham> i got an error with apt-get
[07:11] <natham> Package libgtk1 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:11] <natham> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:11] <natham> is only available from another source
[07:11] <natham> E: Package libgtk1 has no installation candidate
[07:11] <streetbmx> has anyone had totem problems from the preview  release?
[07:12] <streetbmx> all the controlls are busted
[07:12] <mince> Bgtgcq: SPAMMER!
[07:13] <natham> somebodie can help me?
[07:13] <streetbmx> natham: try libgtk1.2 or libgtk2.0
[07:13] <thoreauputic> natham: what are you installing? And do you have the universe repository ?
[07:13] <natham> ok
[07:13] <Seveas> and also libgtk1.2-common
[07:14] <natham> thoreauputic, im trying to install xmms
[07:14] <streetbmx> well thats a dep for the first so it should install by its self
[07:14] <natham> i remove the the universe repositori
[07:14] <Seveas> natham, hoary or warty?
[07:14] <natham> warty
[07:14] <Seveas> natham, you need universe for that
[07:14] <NeverTheLess> tritium, I just found this "To build linux-wlan-ng you will need:
[07:14] <thoreauputic> natham: why did you remove iniverse??
[07:14] <NeverTheLess>    - Configured kernel source code for the kernel you are running.
[07:14] <NeverTheLess>      Ideally, this will be the resulting tree after building your own " Do you know wich kernel I would need to download? there are so many linux-source files in the link you gave me.
[07:14] <Myrtti> uulalaa what a lag
[07:15] <streetbmx> damn i hate xmms
[07:15] <natham> becouse i cant install xmms, then i try removing it
[07:15] <natham> because*
[07:15] <Seveas> NeverTheLess: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:15] <streetbmx> anone know the deal with totem controls being broken?
[07:15] <natham> como sea
[07:15] <tritium> NeverTheLess, what does uname -r tell you?
[07:16] <natham> streetbmx, suggest mi another one?
[07:16] <streetbmx> ?
[07:16] <natham> damn
[07:16] <streetbmx> another music player?
[07:16] <natham> yes
[07:16] <streetbmx> rhythmbox or muine
[07:16] <natham> rhythmbox dont work
[07:16] <Seveas> natham: beep
[07:16] <natham> ok
[07:16] <Seveas> beep-media-player in apt
[07:17] <tritium> rhythmbox works
[07:17] <streetbmx> gotta install gstreamer mad to play mp3s if thats what you mean
[07:17] <zenrox> how come certion icons wont load in hoary?? thay keep telling me icon not found but i just got done slecting it
[07:17] <natham> i want ogg
[07:17] <omniwork> Seveas: i thought you said beer-media-player for a second there :)
[07:17] <Seveas> lol omniwork
[07:17] <Seveas> apt-get install beer
[07:17] <Seveas> :D
[07:17] <streetbmx> ya
[07:17] <omniwork> cd /pub; more beer
[07:18] <Seveas> :)
[07:18] <zenrox> no its /home/pub
[07:18] <thoreauputic> dpkg-reconfigure brain
[07:18] <Seveas> :)
[07:18] <zenrox> lol
[07:18] <Seveas> apt-cache remove --purge work
[07:18] <NeverTheLess> tritium, I would have to reboot and boot into ubuntulinux to find that out.
[07:18] <Seveas> apt-get*
[07:18] <da5id> apt-get install beer
[07:19] <zenrox> apt-get install beer@/home/pub
[07:19] <thoreauputic> apt-get install aspirin :)
[07:19] <streetbmx> heh
[07:19] <tritium> NeverTheLess, okay, well, as I've said before, the -headers should work.  You should not need the full-blown sources.
[07:19] <tritium> NeverTheLess, just make sure that it matches your kernel version exactly
[07:19] <glguy> i wanted to upgrade to hoary.... so i just changed warty to hoary in the synaptic package manager... was that the correct way?
[07:19] <streetbmx> apt-cache search ladies
[07:19] <zenrox> lol
[07:20] <Seveas> glguy, yes that is the correct way
[07:20] <natham> mmm
[07:20] <Seveas> you're just an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade away from hoary
[07:20] <glguy> Seveas: actually, i clicked the Reload, Upgrade, Apply buttons
[07:20] <NeverTheLess> tritium, ok. thanks. i will try to install the linux-headers (using this file: linux-headers-2.6.10-5_2.6.10-28_powerpc.deb) I can only assume that it is correct. How can I check this before I do anything?
[07:21] <Seveas> glguy, should work too :)
[07:21] <tritium> NeverTheLess, uname -r
[07:21] <natham> whit my sata hd works very slow?
[07:21] <glguy> Seveas: and now I'm done with the download :) 2meg/sec
[07:21] <NeverTheLess> tritium, ok. thanks
[07:21] <streetbmx> has anyone used reiser4 on ubuntu?
[07:21] <Seveas> not too bad
[07:21] <tritium> NeverTheLess, sure.
[07:22] <natham> ok
[07:22] <omniwork> hey folks. i'm feeling risky and want to upgrade warty to the latest beta of hoary, is it just a matter of updating /etc/apt/sources.conf and apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[07:23] <KING^^^> hello , how can i install my ATI video card ?
[07:23] <Seveas> omniwork, yes
[07:23] <zenrox> omniwork,  ya that will work
[07:23] <glguy> Seveas: lol... looks like I'm not the first to come in asking that
[07:23] <thoreauputic> omniwork: /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:23] <KING^^^> apt-get install xfree86-driver-fglrx doesn't work
[07:23] <zenrox> omniwork, and you should have to many probs
[07:23] <omniwork> how does that handle the xfree --> xorg transition?
[07:23] <Seveas> KING^^^, check the wiki, search for ati
[07:23] <omniwork> zenrox: you mean shouldn't i hope? heh
[07:23] <jon1012> hi everybody :)
[07:23] <KING^^^> Seveas: i have searched
[07:23] <zenrox> omniwork,  ya
[07:23] <daniels> omniwork: the ubuntu-desktop package, if installed, ensures a smooth transition with stuff like that
[07:23] <zenrox> lol
[07:23] <KING^^^> but it doesn't work
[07:24] <Seveas> omniwork, after a reboot all should work (but things can go wrong of course)
[07:24] <fr500> omniwork, 3 tries none have worked for me
[07:24] <streetbmx> KING^^^: are you runnin xfree?
[07:24] <KING^^^> yes
[07:24] <KING^^^> i think
[07:24] <fr500> xorg replacing xfree has been the prob i think
[07:24] <Seveas> KING^^^, sorry, ati is the hardest to configure, you might try searching the forums
[07:24] <natham> wee i got xmms
[07:24] <natham> jejeje
[07:24] <streetbmx> you think?, warty or hoary?
[07:24] <omniwork> KING^^^: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:25] <KING^^^> omniwork: i know , from there i have installed
[07:25] <KING^^^> E: Couldn't find package xfree86-driver-fglrx
[07:25] <zenrox> KING^^^, you need to add some difernt repos
[07:25] <NeverTheLess> tritium, what would be the difference in these two files: "linux-headers-2.6.10-5_2.6.10-28_powerpc.deb" and "linux-headers-2.6.10-5-powerpc_2.6.10-28_powerpc.deb"
[07:25] <streetbmx> theres a thread in the howtos forum for fglrx
[07:26] <KING^^^> what different repos zenrox ?
[07:26] <xerox> Hi!
[07:26] <zenrox> unuverse
[07:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> llo xerox
[07:26] <zenrox> and mabe marlette
[07:26] <zenrox> universe
[07:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> universe will do fine me thinks
[07:26] <xerox> Do you know where I can find .deb of Emacs CVS, for ubuntu? I *really* need it :!
[07:27] <KING^^^> i have universe zenrox
[07:27] <farruinn> xerox: .deb of cvs? Why would that be available?
[07:27] <streetbmx> if it possible to disable fb without recompiling the kernel?
[07:27] <Seveas> xerox, hoary repos, debian incoming repos, emacs site, apt-get.org
[07:27] <Seveas> if it isn't there: bad luck
[07:27] <farruinn> xerox: the cvs source might be debianized already, you could just check out the source and build it with dpkg-buildpackage
[07:27] <xerox> Seveas: eheh, I try.
[07:27] <xerox> farruinn: can you explain to me how? Or point me to something.
[07:28] <fr500> how do i start gnome from a command line?
[07:29] <fr500> i'm on failsafe terminal
[07:29] <Seveas> startx
[07:29] <Bubbling_Zombie> or gdm
[07:29] <NeverTheLess> tritium, the files looks like the same to me. only that one of them is 250kb and the other 5mb!!
[07:30] <tritium> NeverTheLess, I was away, sorry.
[07:30] <thoreauputic> fr500: if X is running, type gnome-session
[07:30] <GarySaved> Does anyone know if it is possible to get ubuntu to access a dialup modem?
[07:30] <tritium> NeverTheLess, looks like the smaller one simply depends on the larger one.
[07:30] <fr500> thoreauputic, it worked
[07:30] <fr500> thanks
[07:30] <jason> anyone know what the best address book is for linux? I want something simple that possibly reminds me of birthdays and is a standard format.
[07:30] <thoreauputic> GarySaved: of course
[07:30] <tritium> NeverTheLess, grab the bigger one
[07:31] <GarySaved> We have looked everywhere.  Where do we start?
[07:31] <Myrtti> jason: define standard format
[07:31] <Seveas> jason, there is not really a 'standard format' except vcf stuff
[07:31] <Seveas> I suggest you go with evolution, it is nicley integrated with the desktop
[07:31] <xerox> farruinn: I'm cvs-checkouting the sources.
[07:31] <thoreauputic> GarySaved: I can walk you through it in pm if you wish
[07:31] <jason> Myrtti: something that is compatible with other adress books or will not become obsolite
[07:32] <GarySaved> thoreauputic, Do you have yahoo?
[07:32] <Myrtti> I'm not sure if Thunderbird + Sunbird has that implemented yet
[07:32] <Seveas> jason, almost all addresbooks (including Evo) can export/import vcf
[07:32] <thoreauputic> GarySaved: no yahoo, no
[07:32] <drspin> when I logout of my X session, GDM doesn't return to it's reolution (i.e. the image is clipped) I have an Nvidia GeForce4 MX420 using NvAGP (also tried AGPGART and sisAGP)
[07:32] <jazzka> hi!
[07:32] <jason> ok thanks Seveas, I'll check it out.
[07:33] <Seveas> hi!
[07:33] <jazzka> Take a screenshot is so important that is placed on "Computer" menu?
[07:33] <jazzka> I just cant underestand
[07:33] <drspin> anyone?
[07:33] <KING^^^> how can i make my volume control to work ?
[07:33] <Seveas> jazzka, what don't you understand?
[07:34] <Ad|Astra> hi all
[07:34] <Seveas> hi Ad|Astra
[07:34] <jazzka> Seveas, the menu should be as smaller as possible
[07:35] <blueturtle> jason, keep an eye out for SyncML. It's not really standard yet, but it will probably replace iCalendar, vCalendar etc
[07:35] <da5id> what sound demon are you using @KING^^^
[07:35] <blueturtle> anyway, Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla Sunbird can both import/ export iCalendar files
[07:35] <Seveas> jazzka, taking screenshots is a very often requested thing, so to the common user it is important enough to be there
[07:35] <KING^^^> don't know
[07:35] <jason> thank you blueturtle
[07:35] <jazzka> Seveas, in that case, I agree ;)
[07:36] <da5id> are you running gnome? hoary or warty? @KING^^^
[07:36] <KING^^^> warty
[07:36] <blueturtle> jason if you want an example of one of these iCalendar files, just send an MS Outlook   Meeting Request to a normal email client, like gmail or something, and you'll see that meeting requests are just simple emails with an iCalendar (.ics) attachment
[07:37] <keyhack> Ok, second question, is there a way to have my laptop screen act as one monitor, and a hooked up CRT act as a separate desktop? (I dont want my screen on the laptop to be on the monitor, I  want it to be a separate one all together)
[07:38] <tritium> keyhack, depends on your video hardware
[07:38] <KING^^^> so ... da5id ?
[07:38] <da5id> does ps -A | grep -i "esd" show something?
[07:38] <da5id> yes?
[07:39] <Seveas> keyhack, there usually is (indeed depends on the hardware), but you have to manually edit you X configuration
[07:39] <KING^^^> yes da5id
[07:39] <Seveas> keyhack, search on the wiki/forums for an X configuration manual
[07:40] <da5id> ok the number is the process and it means you are running esd - the enlightenment sound demon used by gnome (before 2.10/hoary)
[07:41] <KING^^^> so how i make it to work ?
[07:41] <da5id> can you describe your volume problem? is there no sound at all? or is it just impossible to adjust the volume?
[07:41] <KING^^^> i have sound , but i can't adjust it
[07:41] <spiral> hi
[07:42] <KING^^^> just this, nothing more
[07:42] <da5id> is there a little icon on some panel?
[07:42] <xerox> Seveas: can you point me to "debian incoming repos" (it's the only place I can't find, in which I didn't look)
[07:42] <KING^^^> yes up next to date
[07:42] <KING^^^> from there i want to adjust
[07:42] <KING^^^> volume control
[07:42] <drspin> how can I change GDM's resolution?
[07:43] <da5id> what happens if you try to adjust the volume using volume control?
[07:43] <KING^^^> drspin: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:44] <KING^^^> i can't move it
[07:44] <KING^^^> the volume control
[07:44] <da5id> can you access the settings dialog - when you rightclick on volume control?
[07:44] <KING^^^> no device
[07:44] <KING^^^> nope
[07:46] <da5id> what's the output of less ~/.gnome2/gnome-volume-control
[07:48] <TPC> hello. I'm trying to install kde in hoary, but it complains that there is a dependency for libkcal2, but it can't find a package called libkcal2. it doesn
[07:48] <jazzka> does fullscreenmode exist in ubuntus's VNC ?
[07:48] <TPC> it doesn't show up with apt-cache search
[07:48] <TPC> jazzka, vncviewer -fullscreen
[07:48] <jazzka> TPC, oh thanks!
[07:49] <TPC> but on another machine with the same sources.list libkcal2 shows up in apt-cache search
[07:49] <TPC> what could be wrong?
[07:50] <Seveas> TPC, run apt-get update on both machines
[07:51] <jazzka> is there any way in Hoary to see my hardware? (for domestic users)
[07:51] <TPC> Seveas, I have
[07:51] <da5id> KING^^^ it seems to me, that your gnome-volume-control applet is not configured to use a device (i. e. OSS device or Alsa device)
[07:51] <TPC> Seveas, it still only finds it on one fo them
[07:51] <TPC> of*
[07:52] <Seveas> have you had more sourcess in your sources.list on the machine where you can find it?
[07:52] <Seveas> and are you sure there are no spelling errors?
[07:52] <casimir> jazzka, hal-device-manager
[07:52] <TPC> the sources.list files are identical, I copied it from the first machine (where it finds libkcal) ot the other
[07:52] <Seveas> odd
[07:52] <Seveas> it is in universe
[07:53] <TPC> on the machine where I can't find libkcal2 i still see libkcal2-dev
[07:54] <goxy> after install intel 536ep i cant start hamregistry any sugesstionss
[07:54] <goxy> "
[07:55] <kain> Configuro powernowd (0.90-3ubuntu11) ...
[07:55] <kain> /usr/share/powernowd/cpufreq-detect.sh: line 40: We're: command not found
[07:55] <kain> an upgrade few minutes ago
[07:55] <goxy> help me make install for intel 536ep not works
[07:56] <daniels> kain: thanks, I'll fix it
[07:56] <kain> np daniels, thanks
[07:56] <wfx> is the horay ready to use?
[07:56] <kain> wfx, as far I can see, yes
[07:56] <EeYoRe> hello all i need some help please
[07:56] <wfx> hoary :) oh thx
[07:56] <da5id> @KING^^^?
[07:57] <goxy> help me make install for intel 536ep not works help me
[07:57] <p88> hi all
[07:57] <p88> I have ordered a cd from ubuntu
[07:57] <andreiz_> hi. i've installed some ttf fonts in gnome. now firefox loads as default one of the newly installed fonts (wich is big and unreadable). very strange. can anyone help me ?
[07:57] <p88> I heard nice things about it so I ordered it
[07:57] <EeYoRe> i need to know if i have linux live or the instalation cd please
[07:57] <wfx> kain, thx so i must only chane warty to hoary then apt-get update and upgrade or distribution update
[07:58] <daniels> kain: fixed version just uploaded; it'll hit the archive in a bit
[07:58] <kain> thanks daniels
[07:58] <kain> wfx, there's a guide on ubuntu wiki how to upgrade to hoary
[07:58] <wfx> thx
[07:58] <wfx> i read it
[07:59] <EeYoRe> i need to know if i have linux live or the instalation cd please
[07:59] <EeYoRe> can anyone help
[07:59] <EeYoRe> please?
[07:59] <kain> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes/view?searchterm=upgrade%20hoary
[07:59] <kain> here we ago wfx
[07:59] <wfx> :)
[08:01] <HavoK> hi there; i've a problem
[08:01] <HavoK> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk-sharp glade-sharp gecko-sharp = 0.6 gnome-sharp dbus-sharp >= 0.23.1 gconf-sharp gmime-sharp >= 2.1.11) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[08:01] <HavoK> but I'm pretty sure to have the last version of those packages
[08:02] <wfx> hmmm, 429MB for this upgrade
[08:02] <KING^^^> da5id: i don't know what u are asking for
[08:02] <Seveas> HavoK, what are you trying to do?
[08:02] <HavoK> should I get those packages from cvs, too?
[08:02] <da5id> can you find a settings dialog when you rightclick on the volume-control icon?
[08:02] <GarySaved> EeYoRe, When you boot an instalation disk, it installs to the hard drive.  THe live one will just go to the desktop.
[08:02] <HavoK> Seveas: I'm trying to compile and build beagle
[08:02] <HavoK> beagled
[08:03] <wfx> is nautilus more stable in hoary
[08:03] <kain> wfx, I found nautilus solid in hoary
[08:03] <Seveas> HavoK, why not use a precompiled one?
[08:03] <DemisM> what bootloader does ubuntu come with?
[08:03] <KING^^^> no device
[08:04] <kain> grub
[08:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> grub
[08:04] <stephans_> can you use ubuntu as a server?
[08:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> yes
[08:04] <stephans_> is that advisable
[08:04] <kain> stephans_, sure
[08:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> sure
[08:04] <Seveas> stephans_, of course :)
[08:04] <stephans_> a ddns server/
[08:04] <stephans_> ?
[08:04] <kain> bind?
[08:04] <DemisM> is grub graphical?
[08:04] <omniwork> or if you don't need super-up to date stuff, use debian stable and enable security updates
[08:04] <Seveas> just install bind with ddns :)
[08:04] <kain> DemisM, yes
[08:04] <DemisM> k thx :)
[08:04] <andreiz_> i've installed some ttf fonts in gnome. now firefox loads as default one of the newly installed fonts (wich is big and unreadable). very strange. can anyone help me ?
[08:04] <stephans_> ind yes (9.3)
[08:04] <omniwork> stephans_: you're better off using debian sarge
[08:04] <stephans_> really?
[08:04] <Seveas> omniwork, thats bullshit
[08:05] <stephans_> whatbins does it use?
[08:05] <wfx> i leave , have all a good day.
[08:05] <da5id> what happens if you try to run alsamixer from the commandline?
[08:05] <kain> bye wfx
[08:05] <HavoK> Seveas: checking for gtk-sharp glade-sharp gecko-sharp = 0.6 gnome-sharp dbus-sharp >= 0.23.1 gconf-sharp gmime-sharp >= 2.1.11... Requested 'dbus-sharp >= 0.23.1' but version of DBus is 0.23
[08:05] <stephans_> version... 9.*
[08:05] <stephans_> ?
[08:05] <daniels> HavoK: yes, this will be updated within about 24 hours; i have the update prepared, but it has to wait until the array 7 release has happened
[08:05] <GarySaved> I tried for months to get Debian to do everything, and could not.  I got ubuntu to do it all in two days!
[08:06] <omniwork> Seveas: not really. you don't need a full blown desktop oriented distro for dns
[08:06] <Seveas> stephans_, yes bind9
[08:06] <Seveas> omniwork, then don't install the gui stuff
[08:06] <HavoK> daniels: wow, ok
[08:06] <HavoK> thanks all
[08:06] <OC_Doppelganger> I just wish it would do 802.1x iwth me ibool
[08:06] <OC_Doppelganger> ibook
[08:06] <Seveas> omniwork, you can simply install only the basic stuff and the servers
[08:06] <kain> stephans_, in hoary bind is 9.2.4-1
[08:06] <stephans_> ok
[08:07] <omniwork> Seveas: .. don't install? how do you propose that if you use the ubuntu installer cd?
[08:07] <omniwork> even in expert mode i don't think i saw the option
[08:07] <stephans_> has any one tied to use bind as a dns server on a network with active directory
[08:07] <stephans_> >
[08:07] <thoreauputic> OC_Doppelganger: complain to broadcom :/
[08:07] <stephans_> ?
[08:07] <Seveas> omniwork, and ubuntu is not desktop oriented, it just gives you a very good desktop if you want
[08:07] <omniwork> it's more work to make ubuntu a server than it is to just use debian sarge and be done with it
[08:07] <Seveas> omniwork, look better, there definitely is one....
[08:07] <Seveas> omniwork, stop talking crap and look better when installing
[08:08] <omniwork> use the right tool for the job
[08:08] <omniwork> every problem isn't a nail, and every tool isn't a hammer *sigh*
[08:08] <daniels> omniwork: boot with 'server' on hoary, or 'custom' on warty; that doesn't install gnome, x, or any of the stuff people typically don't use on servers
[08:08] <da5id> can you open a terminal window KING^^^?
[08:08] <raydogg> when i install mysql, it only listens on local sockets, it doesn't listen on tcp/ip, hwo do i turn this on ?
[08:08] <Seveas> thank you daniels :)
[08:08] <da5id> what happens if you type alsamixer <enter>?
[08:09] <IrcUsr> i'm interested in the logistics of new versions. can you upgrade in one go from one version to another online?
[08:09] <kain> raydogg, if I'm not wrong you must edit your my.cnf and edit use_networking setting
[08:09] <kain> or decomment it
[08:09] <omniwork> daniels: so you're telling me i have to do something EXTRA to make it a server, when i have to do NOTHING extra to make debian sarge a server. thanks for proving my point
[08:09] <Seveas> IrcUsr, yes
[08:09] <KING^^^> da5id: i have done it , thx , but if u can help me with installing my ATI video card ... :)
[08:09] <raydogg> thanks kain
[08:09] <Seveas> omniwork, soooo much crap, typing one word is too much for you...
[08:09] <Seveas> go with sarge if you want
[08:09] <farruinn> omniwork: ubuntu provides a different product really
[08:10] <IrcUsr> Seveas: thanks, you see i'm using gentoo at the moment and i think debian might have the same problem that i have to spend time upgrading things piecemeal, so ubuntu seemed like a good choice
[08:10] <Seveas> but stop talking crap
[08:10] <da5id> your volume control works now?
[08:10] <KING^^^> yes da5id
[08:10] <da5id> great
[08:10] <daniels> omniwork: i'm not trying to force your decision, just making sure you know all the options
[08:10] <Seveas> IrcUsr, there is a lot of effort going on to make these transitions very easy
[08:10] <da5id> :)
[08:10] <daniels> but, in general, let's all try to be a little less hostile, please
[08:10] <da5id> what that ATI card of yours?
[08:10] <KING^^^> ATI video card
[08:11] <da5id> model?
[08:11] <kain> raydogg, the right option is to comment out skip-networking
[08:11] <kain> raydogg, comment it and you will have tcp networking in your mysql
[08:11] <IrcUsr> can i see a list of the packages available anywhere, i couldn't find it on the website
[08:11] <KING^^^> ATI 9200 SE
[08:11] <omniwork> farruinn: there's nothing wrong with being a good desktop distro. it's a lot harder than being a good server distro. but i hate it when people try and make good desktop distros server distros *shrug*
[08:12] <kain> raydogg, sorry for pointing out wrong use_networking but I forgot the right option
[08:12] <Seveas> IrcUsr, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[08:12] <omniwork> their goals are not the same
[08:12] <da5id> whats not working?
[08:12] <Seveas> omniwork, please listen to what is being said.....
[08:12] <farruinn> omniwork: I'm glad we agree =)
[08:12] <KING^^^> i can't install it
[08:13] <da5id> what does the gnome-device manager tell you about the video device?
[08:13] <drspin> why can I burn with k3b and not with nautilus?
[08:14] <drspin> nautilus tells me that it can't find a blank CD
[08:15] <jk> drspin: do you have the latest updates? i can remember such a bug from the beginning of warty
[08:15] <drspin> jk -- I'm using Hoary on this system -- and yes always the latest updates
[08:15] <farruinn> is gaim supposed to quit when the "notification" applet quits?  it's very annoying :/
[08:16] <drspin> farruinn: what version of Gaim R U using?
[08:16] <da5id> you obviously have an xserver running, so your device is somehow supported, but I guess, you want some generic drivers for the ATI card to use stuff like 3D accelleration?
[08:16] <farruinn> drspin: hoary latest
[08:16] <Seveas> farruinn, it is, if you don't want the applet then disable it
[08:17] <drspin> farruinn: not sure -- join #gaim and ask if there are any known bugs about that
[08:17] <KING^^^> how can i see that da5id ?
[08:17] <farruinn> good ideas, thanks
[08:17] <raydogg> kain, its all good, working fine, thanks :-)
[08:18] <kain> raydogg, glad
[08:18] <da5id> the device manager is in the System menu of gnome
[08:18] <OC_Doppelganger> thoreauputic: this is not airport extreme, just regular airport that works with ubuntu fine for reg wifi, only xsupplicant cant make the card change keys needed for WPA modes
[08:18] <Seveas> OC_Doppelganger, xsupplicant does not do WPA
[08:19] <OC_Doppelganger> well, 802.1x EAP TTLS with PAP to be specitic
[08:19] <Seveas> ah ok
[08:19] <KING^^^> don't know were da5id
[08:19] <Seveas> that is VERY different
[08:19] <da5id> it should tell you what kind of driver is installed when you click on the device and look up the info in the "Advanced Tab"
[08:19] <kain> see ya
[08:19] <Seveas> OC_Doppelganger, usually it helps to set essid correctly and key to<PHONE_NUMBER> and enc to open before starting xsupplicant
[08:19] <OC_Doppelganger> I think the orinoc drivers may be out of date
[08:20] <Seveas> i need to do that too for my atheros and ndiswrapper (broadcom) based cards
[08:20] <OC_Doppelganger> interesting
[08:20] <da5id> there is also a howto for 3D acceleration of ATI 9200 SE at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=18&threadid=297228
[08:20] <woodwizzle> I'm unable to install nautilus-media from the hoary universe :(
[08:20] <da5id> perhaps that helps?
[08:20] <Seveas> also: don't use xsupplicant cvs, but the ones provided by ubuntu
[08:21] <woodwizzle> it says: nautilus-media:
[08:21] <woodwizzle>  Depends: libnautilus2-2 (>=2.7.1) but it is not installable
[08:21] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas: are you using xsupplicant in warty or hoary?
[08:21] <Seveas> warty
[08:21] <Seveas> and also 802.1x TTLS with PAP
[08:23] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas: oh wow I really need to get some help here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17009
[08:23] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas: can you post some example config files and scripts?
[08:24] <Seveas> OC_Doppelganger, sure, hang on
[08:24] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas: thank you thank you!
[08:26] <OC_Doppelganger> Sevius: this will help LOTS of ppl as many unversities, hotspots, etc are begining to use this for wifi
[08:26] <OC_Doppelganger> *Seveas
[08:26] <keyhack> Does anyone know of an online resource that shows you how to configure an external monitor (using a laptop here) to act as a second desktop display?
[08:27] <jazzka> hi!
[08:27] <jazzka> Where's the ftp client in ubuntu?
[08:27] <drspin> could someone with SCSI experience tell me why I get a buffer underun error everytime I do something else while burning a CD?
[08:28] <apokryphos> jazzka: there are several. You can use Nautilus, gftp, konqueror etc.
[08:28] <Seveas> OC_Doppelganger, check the last 3 posts on http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net (I have a nice tool to post to a pastebin from the command line :))
[08:28] <jazzka> ok!
[08:28] <lobezno> hi
[08:28] <lobezno> is there a ubuntu ppc channel?
[08:28] <Seveas> no lobezno, just ask here
[08:29] <lobezno> root@wildbook:/home/alberto # apt-get install pmud
[08:29] <lobezno> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[08:29] <lobezno> Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho
[08:29] <lobezno> Los siguientes paquetes se ELIMINARN:
[08:29] <lobezno>   pbbuttonsd powermanagement-interface ubuntu-desktop
[08:29] <lobezno> If I try to install pmud (power management unit of apple machines) then apt want to remove other packages
[08:29] <Seveas> yes, because the conflict, that's normal lobezno
[08:30] <gratuit> is there any way to configure nautilus so that I can scroll through workspaces using the mouse wheel?
[08:30] <lobezno> yes, but pmud is needed for somegthings
[08:31] <Seveas> lobezno, than you'' have to live without the others...
[08:31] <unkwn> gratuit:  i didn't have to do anything to be able to use the scroll heel on the workspace switcher
[08:32] <unkwn> it just works
[08:32] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas: ok do you mind if I post this in the forums?
[08:32] <lobezno> Seveas, I dont understand the package ubuntu-desktop
[08:32] <lobezno> what is it for ?
[08:32] <unkwn> i didn't evenk know about it until yesterday
[08:32] <Seveas> OC_Doppelganger of course not, but remember that it's a pastebin so the text will disappear. But feel free to copy
[08:32] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas thanks again :D
[08:33] <Seveas> lobezno, it is a meta package that just depends on everything installed. Removing it is not bad
[08:33] <unkwn> lobezno:  it's safe to remove ubuntu-desktop
[08:33] <gratuit> unkwn: ah, I just got it, I'm switching over from fluxbox, and was used to just having the cursor over the desktop background and wheeling
[08:33] <Seveas> lobezno, when you upgrade from warty to hoary (or breezy) you should install it again (it will remove pmud, but you can install that on after the upgrade)
[08:33] <unkwn> ahh
[08:33] <unkwn> gotta have it over the workspace
[08:34] <unkwn> :p
[08:34] <gratuit> though the benefit of that type of wheeling seems small, I could just as easily click on a workspace...
[08:34] <unkwn> :/ never used fluxbox
[08:34] <unkwn> actually
[08:34] <lobezno> I installed hoary directly
[08:34] <lobezno> but it depends only on desktop yes?
[08:35] <vince`> i'd love to have the fluxbox-type-switching in gnome too. not just over the pager
[08:35] <EsK> how do i auto-identify
[08:35] <mjr> hmh, would seem overkill to add a bug report about translating a single menu entry ("_Hibernate the computer"), is there a preferred way?
[08:35] <Seveas> EsK, do you mean on freenode irc?
[08:35] <EsK> yeah
[08:35] <farruinn> gratuit: I think if you look in gconf there is actually a setting for that...
[08:36] <Seveas> depends on your client, what do you use?
[08:36] <unkwn> dud you register your name yet?
[08:36] <gratuit> farruinn: any idea where it si?
[08:36] <EsK> yes
[08:37] <dashnu> anyone have any issues or ideas why my r8169 nic will not connect to a 10/100/1000mbps net but can connet to a 10/100mbs network ?
[08:37] <farruinn> gratuit: I can't remember tbh, but if you want to search around look at Applications>System Tools>Configuration Editor
[08:37] <dashnu> same card same pc on gentoo works
[08:37] <Seveas> ESK, which irc client do you use?
[08:37] <EsK> x-chat
[08:38] <Seveas> EsK, go to the menu x-chat -> server list
[08:38] <Seveas> select freenode from the list
[08:38] <Seveas> and put: ns identify your_password in the connect command
[08:39] <Seveas> (replace your_password with your actual password :))
[08:40] <EsK> so when i click FreeNode, i click connect?
[08:40] <dashnu> window close
[08:40] <sri> is there a way to freeze a package so that when you do apt-get dist-upgrade it does not upgrade that package at all?
[08:40] <tritium> sri, yes, with pinning
[08:40] <sri> tritium: pinning..hm.
[08:41] <EsK> oh nvm
[08:41] <EsK> i found out
[08:41] <sri> tritium: what program lets me pin a package?
[08:41] <tritium> sri, man apt_preferences will give you more details
[08:41] <sri> tritium: oaky, thanks :)
[08:41] <tritium> sri, you might also apt-get install apt-howto, and read through some of it
[08:42] <EsK> imma try it out
[08:42] <EsK> brb
[08:42] <EsK> sweet
[08:42] <glguy> my pretty ubuntu cursor reverted to a boring black one when I upgraded to hoary... is this normal?
[08:42] <tritium> glguy, it's being fixed
[08:43] <glguy> tritium: as long as its not my fault, i can live with it :)
[08:43] <sri> tritium: thanks btw
[08:43] <mjr> is there a lighter way than bugzilla to report a single new translation?
[08:44] <tritium> glguy, :)
[08:44] <tritium> sri, np
[08:44] <EsK> how do i get a cloak
[08:44] <Seveas> mjr, you coud try the ubuntu-translators mailinglist
[08:44] <Seveas> EsK: /msg nickserv help
[08:44] <edulix> anyone having problems acceding  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:45] <edulix> it seems that it doesn't exists ?
[08:45] <edulix> oh now it's back
[08:47] <[FiDO] > it seems I can't update to the latest version of gnome 2.10 with hoary
[08:47] <[FiDO] > it gives me a dependency error
[08:48] <[FiDO] > with the nautilus-media package
[08:48] <[FiDO] > is this being fixed??
[08:48] <seimilauno> any idea about a gnome freeze during splash screen? (from boot to gdm it's ok | the logs can't help | it happens after a kernel-image upgrade to linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7) thanks :)
[08:49] <seimilauno> (it's an hoary system)
[08:50] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas: also will xsupplicant download the servers certificate? if not how do I go about getting it?
[08:50] <Seveas> OC_Doppelganger, no
[08:50] <Seveas> i skip checking the certificate, it is set to NONE
[08:51] <OC_Doppelganger> hmm
[08:51] <Seveas> it's bad
[08:51] <OC_Doppelganger> aye
[08:51] <topyli> i never knew gnibbles is networked. sweet :)
[08:51] <Seveas> but I can't get the certificate for my wifi networks too :S
[08:51] <Bwl> think it's new in gnome 2.10 ;)
[08:52] <OC_Doppelganger> I was able to d/l it with the OS X suppplicant but I have to find a way to export and convert for xsupplicant
[08:54] <topyli> deathmatch anybody? ;)
[08:54] <[dEvIL-mAN] > howdy
[08:55] <[FiDO] > does anyone know what the deal is with the nautilus-media package in hoary
[08:55] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i'm having problems installing ubuntu on a machine with 32ram
[08:55] <[FiDO] > I can't update gnome because of it
[08:55] <[dEvIL-mAN] > it keeps saying i should upgarde
[08:55] <[dEvIL-mAN] > and it keeps coming up the same error message in a vicious cicle
[08:56] <[dEvIL-mAN] > To install Ubuntu you should have at least 32MB of RAM. and this is on the site
[08:56] <[dEvIL-mAN] > the computer is running on win98
[08:56] <Seveas> [dEvIL-mAN] , that is for installing, but not running :)
[08:56] <unkwn> 32mb would be cutting it very close
[08:56] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i want to get rid of it and put ubuntu
[08:56] <unkwn> you surely wouldn't want to run gnome with that
[08:56] <Seveas> if you want gnome, you need something better
[08:56] <topyli> does the update notifier only care about security stuff?
[08:56] <Seveas> [dEvIL-mAN] , what are the other specs?
[08:56] <[dEvIL-mAN] > humm
[08:57] <[dEvIL-mAN] > low processor 3 gig hard drive
[08:57] <[FiDO] > I think you'd need to run a terminal version of linux
[08:57] <Seveas> that's not gonna be enough for a default install
[08:57] <[dEvIL-mAN] > CPU Info: (1 CPU - AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3000+, 2.01 GHz, L1: 64KB L2: 512KB (5% Load))
[08:57] <garrut> has anyone by any chance installed ubuntu on a toshiba satellite pro 490XCDT?
[08:57] <unkwn> topyli:  you can set it up however you want
[08:57] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i know it keeps saying low something install
[08:57] <topyli> hmm
[08:57] <Seveas> [dEvIL-mAN] , that proc. and 32mb ram????
[08:58] <[FiDO] > an athlon 64 3000+
[08:58] <signal_> hi, does anyone here know anything about getting tvout working on an inspiron 8000?
[08:58] <[dEvIL-mAN] > Memory Usage: (Usage: 857/1280MB (66.95%))  (|||||||---)  Virtual Memory: (Usage: 65/2048MB (3.15%))  (----------)  Page File: (Usage: 469/-1045MB (-44.9%))  (--------------)
[08:58] <[dEvIL-mAN] > nah
[08:58] <[dEvIL-mAN] > this is the top notch machine
[08:58] <Seveas> ahh ok :)
[08:59] <EsK> man this is pissing me off
[08:59] <[dEvIL-mAN] > but i haven't got ubuntu on it
[08:59] <Seveas> signal_, if it is an ati card, try installing atitvout
[08:59] <[dEvIL-mAN] > there's not enough software for ubuntu
[08:59] <topyli> unkwn: oh yeah, in the update manager. nice
[08:59] <signal_> right... i got that far, but i can only get it working in text terminals
[08:59] <[FiDO] > yeah there is dude
[08:59] <Seveas> EsK, what is?
[08:59] <[FiDO] > there's lots of software for ubuntu
[08:59] <[dEvIL-mAN] > ....no there isn't
[08:59] <ydef> hi, i'm able to start x under failsafe mode when starting /etc/init.d/gdm but it dies when I try to startx normally or using xdm.  perhaps a hosed xorg.conf but how is gdm able to start then?
[08:59] <Seveas> signal_, than you need to edit your X configuration
[09:00] <[FiDO] > just add more repositories
[09:00] <[dEvIL-mAN] > yeah like macromedia studi?
[09:00] <[dEvIL-mAN] > and all that stuff?
[09:00] <Seveas> signal you can find tutorials about that on the wiki/forums/tldp
[09:00] <signal_> excelent
[09:00] <Seveas> [dEvIL-mAN] , there is mozilla-flashplayer
[09:00] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i know i have ubuntu on my laptop it work sweet
[09:00] <OC_Doppelganger> plenty of softs in the debian repositories :D j/k you prolly just need to add universe and multiverse
[09:00] <signal_> thanks muchly Seveas
[09:00] <DarthFrog> [dEvIL-mAN] : Well, there's over 16,000 packages in my repositories list, all for Ubuntu.
[09:00] <signal_> i've been looking for that all day
[09:00] <Seveas> yw signal_, good luck with configuring
[09:00] <[FiDO] > same here
[09:00] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i'm talking about developers software
[09:00] <Seveas> ah ok
[09:00] <[FiDO] > if you want graphics software try gimp
[09:00] <Seveas> don't know about that
[09:01] <[FiDO] > pretty much like photoshop
[09:01] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i did it not as good
[09:01] <DarthFrog> [dEvIL-mAN] : If that's not enough, then you and I have different definitions of enough. :-)
[09:01] <Seveas> maybe flash using wine?
[09:01] <unkwn> LMFAO
[09:01] <EsK> everytime i try and get the flash plugin for mozilla firefox, i use sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla, and i do that and terminal tells me to put in  sudo dpkg --configure -a, and when i put that in, it like, logs me off of gnome
[09:01] <[dEvIL-mAN] > or i don't feel familiar with it
[09:01] <ydef> anyone here have x working on a dell laptop?
[09:01] <unkwn> gimp is nothing like photoshop
[09:01] <unkwn> gimp has nothing on photoshop
[09:01] <[dEvIL-mAN] > lol
[09:01] <apokryphos> unkwn: suggest another Linux program that is more similar to it.
[09:01] <OC_Doppelganger> signal take a look at: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:01] <[FiDO] > well you're right there
[09:01] <[dEvIL-mAN] > we have an argument here
[09:01] <unkwn> there arn't any
[09:01] <Seveas> esk, it is mozilla-flashplayer I believe
[09:01] <[FiDO] > I'm just saying its the linux attempt at photoshop
[09:01] <unkwn> nothing comes close to photoshop on linux
[09:01] <Seveas> EsK, and that gnome kicks you out is correct
[09:02] <EsK> oh, then the ubuntu guide has it wrong if you are correct
[09:02] <Seveas> that is one of the side-effect of that command, therefore you should use a real terminal for it
[09:02] <EsK> why does it kick me out
[09:02] <apokryphos> unkwn: whatever. GIMP is quite like Photoshop; Photoshop is simply more powerful/better.
[09:02] <OC_Doppelganger> signal: nevermind...
[09:02] <Myrtti> unkwn: feel free to try pixel32
[09:02] <[dEvIL-mAN] > if they only released that software for linux
[09:02] <Seveas> esk, because it restarts gnome (or actually gdm)
[09:02] <Myrtti> though it's not free
[09:02] <[dEvIL-mAN] > the world would be a better place
[09:02] <[dEvIL-mAN] > :)
[09:02] <[FiDO] > linux just has to get more popular
[09:02] <OC_Doppelganger> that was for devil-man
[09:03] <apokryphos> unkwn: GIMP is perfectly great for *many* differet graphical manipulations. I'm sorry you don't like it, but hey.
[09:03] <EsK> but this is pissing me off and it wont work
[09:03] <Seveas> EsK, and i was wrong, it is flashplayer-mozilla
[09:03] <EsK> are their files like fedora where u just put in your firefox plugins folder
[09:03] <Snarfy> can anyone tell me if i should have an dev and an .dev directory in my / or is this a bug?
[09:03] <Seveas> Snarfy, it is not a bug
[09:03] <Seveas> .dev is a backup of th static /dev
[09:04] <Seveas>   /dev in ubuntu is managed by udev
[09:04] <Snarfy> Seveas, i never saw it in any other distro
[09:04] <[dEvIL-mAN] > Bandwidth: (Current Downstream: 86.38kb/s  Current Upstream: 3.28kb/s)
[09:04] <EsK> are their files like fedora where u just put in your firefox plugins folder
[09:04] <Bwl> Is it possible to re-run the network configuration wizard that is launched on install?
[09:04] <Seveas> Snarfy, that means you either never used a distro that uses udev or one that was so kind to backup the original /dev
[09:04] <Seveas> you can delete /.dev if you want to
[09:05] <[FiDO] > has anyone here used pure-ftpd
[09:05] <Seveas> bwl, yes
[09:05] <Seveas> but there is a graphical wizard too :)
[09:05] <Seveas> [FiDO] , yes
[09:05] <Bwl> Seveas: I can't find it, went to the base-config but no luck. :)
[09:05] <[FiDO] > I don't understand why there's no conf file with the hoary version
[09:05] <Bwl> Seveas: oh, my installation missed out the graphical so I'm installing ubuntu-desktop atm. ;)
[09:05] <[FiDO] > normally there was a pureftpd.conf file to configure the server
[09:05] <[FiDO] > doesn't seem to be there with ubuntu
[09:06] <Snarfy> Seveas, yes that could be, just wondering does it take any space or are it just the links to the devices ?
[09:06] <unkwn> i like proftpd/gproftpd
[09:06] <Seveas> bwl, on warty it is in the menu computer - system configuration - networking
[09:06] <Seveas> [FiDO] , sorry, dn't know about that, I use pureftpd only on gentoo
[09:06] <unkwn> gproftpd adds a nice GUI for configuration
[09:06] <[FiDO] > nice there's a gui for proftpd
[09:06] <Bwl> Seveas: Thanks it's hoardy but I'll find it.
[09:06] <Seveas> Snarfy, it does not take any space
[09:07] <[FiDO] > I'll have to try that
[09:07] <Snarfy> Seveas, thx !
[09:07] <unkwn> [FiDO] :  i could only find it in .rpm format, had to convert with alien and dpkg -i
[09:08] <[FiDO] > gproftpd isn't on synaptic
[09:08] <carles> hello!! anybody from spain who can help me??????
[09:08] <[FiDO] > there's a proftpd but no gproftpd I'll have to go find it I guess
[09:08] <apokryphos> carles: #ubuntu-es
[09:08] <carles> ;)
[09:08] <DarthFrog> [FiDO] : What you really mean to say is: gproftpd isn't available via Synaptic with the repositories I have configured. :-)
[09:09] <Seveas> [FiDO] , it isn't in universe too, maybe you'll have to manually compile it
[09:09] <Snarfy> http://mange.dynup.net/linux.html <= he makes gproftpd
[09:09] <Seveas> unkwn, do you know a repo for gproftpd?
[09:09] <unkwn> no you gotta download the rpm
[09:09] <unkwn> and alien it
[09:09] <Seveas> k
[09:09] <[FiDO] > what is this alien you talk about lol
[09:10] <unkwn> alien converts rpm's to deb's
[09:10] <[FiDO] > cool I'll try that sounds like a useful tool
[09:10] <Seveas> and deb's you can install :)
[09:11] <unkwn> you just download an rpm and type 'alien foo.rpm'
[09:11] <Seveas> alien gproftpd.rpm
[09:11] <[FiDO] > doesn't stand to screw stuff up though does it
[09:11] <Seveas> dpkg -i gproftpd.deb
[09:11] <unkwn> dpkg installed it without any problems for me
[09:11] <gratuit> does alien just demolish all dependacies?
[09:12] <unkwn> good question, that i do not know
[09:12] <apokryphos> gratuit: no
[09:12] <gratuit> apokryphos: how does it translate them then?
[09:12] <apokryphos> gratuit: no idea
[09:12] <[FiDO] > well if it works it works
[09:13] <Seveas> :]
[09:13] <odysseu1> where is apache default documentroot ? cant find it in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[09:13] <unkwn> /var/www/ ?
[09:14] <Seveas> unkwn, it is called DocumentRoot, if it isn't there apache should complain i believe
[09:14] <unkwn> odysseu1:  you'll see at the bottom of the conf file, it's calling another file
[09:14] <unkwn> where the virtual hosts are
[09:14] <det> Everytime I upgrade xorg, I have to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to input my monitor refresh ranges so i am not stuck with 60hz. Why doesn't the xorg package save my debconf settings? Can I force it to?
[09:14] <odysseu1> thx
[09:15] <TMM> hey all!
[09:15] <[FiDO] > that alien thing seemed to work nicely thanks
[09:15] <[FiDO] > that will come in handy alot
[09:15] <[FiDO] > I just hope it doesn't screw up dependancies for synaptic
[09:15] <unkwn> after you install it
[09:15] <unkwn> it'll show up in synaptic
[09:15] <unkwn> under 'converted by alien'
[09:15] <[FiDO] > really cool
[09:15] <TMM> I was just trying to upgrade a warty install to hoary, but, after updating the sources.list and apt-get upgrade it just wants to remove some python packages, and claims that there are no further software to be upgraded.
[09:16] <thoreauputic_> suddenly over 80MB of security upgrades on Warty? wtf?
[09:16] <TMM> are the hoary reporisitories changed or anything? :)
[09:16] <nictuku> Do I need to install an additional package to make xinerama - multihead work in X?
[09:16] <[FiDO] > so it does nice
[09:16] <TMM> I'm using: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:16] <apokryphos> TMM: in what way? They change all the time: updates.
[09:16] <[FiDO] > thanks unkwn
[09:16] <TMM> apokryphos, I mean, did they move :)
[09:16] <Seveas> TMM, try apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:17] <TMM> Seveas, I did :)
[09:17] <[FiDO] > gproftpd won't run though
[09:17] <[FiDO] > it doesn't even appear to be anywhere
[09:17] <apokryphos> TMM: no :). And they work fine here...
[09:17] <unkwn> fido: gksudo gproftpd.real
[09:18] <[FiDO] > what is that supposed to do
[09:18] <thoreauputic_> jdub: any idea why there are suddenly 80MB of updates for warty?
[09:18] <[FiDO] > Failed to run proftpd.real: Child terminated with 1 status
[09:18] <TMM> I don't understand then...
[09:18] <apokryphos> [FiDO] : run the prog with root permission.
[09:18] <PacoBCN> today I saw many updates in general
[09:19] <[FiDO] > works thanks
[09:19] <[FiDO] > so gksudo runs gui programs as root
[09:19] <[FiDO] > ?
[09:19] <thoreauputic_> PacoBCN: yes, for hoary that's normal - but for warty?
[09:19] <signal_> huh... in the forums alot of people are asking how to configure xorg.conf for tvout with ati cards, but noone has posted an actual xorg.conf that works...
[09:19] <TMM> it says: 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 79 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:19] <TMM> I don't get it :(
[09:19] <PacoBCN> thoreauputic_, well, I saw some are nvidia related
[09:19] <PacoBCN> so it's for both
[09:20] <PacoBCN> but not sure about the rest
[09:20] <TMM> I've done this a million times, why the fsck isn't it working TODAY? ;)
[09:20] <apokryphos> [FiDO] : not as root. As you, but with root permissions (sudo).
[09:20] <[FiDO] > yeah right.. good to know
[09:20] <TMM> maybe just let it remove the 79 packages, and then retry it?
[09:20] <TMM> weird conflict perhaps?
[09:20] <TMM> is that possible?
[09:20] <Seveas> maybe
[09:20] <Seveas> do you have other sources in your sources.list?
[09:21] <Seveas> and do you still have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[09:21] <unkwn> tmm: you trying to upgrade to hoary?
[09:21] <PacoBCN> I wish it asks me to uninstall packs :)
[09:21] <thoreauputic_> PacoBCN: hmm - lots of -dev packages.... must be security stuff but why I don't know
[09:21] <TMM> unkwn, yes
[09:22] <PacoBCN> yup
[09:22] <PacoBCN> perhaps
[09:22] <unkwn> tmm: did you read the section on ubuntguide.org ?
[09:22] <unkwn> ubuntuguide.org*
[09:22] <TMM> Seveas, I might not have ununtu-desktop installed... I think it got removed when I installed xine-backend for totem...
[09:22] <TMM> should I reinstall it?
[09:22] <PacoBCN> I've noticed that my DVD burner writes much slower than before...
[09:22] <Seveas> try it
[09:22] <PacoBCN> weird
[09:22] <Seveas> and reinstall totem-xine afterwards
[09:22] <thoreauputic_> oh well, on dialup I'll do them over a couple of sessions in the next couple of days, I guess
[09:22] <unkwn> PacoBCN:  gotta turn on DMA
[09:22] <Seveas> but still, a lot of things should get updated...
[09:23] <TMM> ok
[09:23] <TMM> I'll try that
[09:23] <PacoBCN> unkwn, DMA?
[09:23] <TMM> meh, need to 'downgrade' my sources.list first ;)
[09:25] <TMM> Seveas, doesn't make any difference :(
[09:25] <unkwn> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb
[09:26] <unkwn> change /dev/hdb appropriately
[09:26] <Seveas> TMM, so weird...
[09:26] <Seveas> can you paste your sources.list somewhere?
[09:26] <TMM> Seveas, I now use http://ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary
[09:26] <PacoBCN> unkwn, I'm writing a DVD now, would that affect the active process?
[09:27] <TMM> same shit, different day ;)
[09:27] <unkwn> yes, don't do it now
[09:27] <unkwn> wait until after
[09:27] <TMM> it even wants to remove ubunutu-base with apt-get dist-upgrade??
[09:27] <Seveas> huh??
[09:27] <Seveas> did you install evil universe or marillat things???
[09:27] <Q-FUNK> http://www.iki.fi/q-funk/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/2005/03/16#2005-03-16_gnome_2_10
[09:27] <Snarfy> unkwn, doesn't -K1 do the same instead of changing /dev/hdx
[09:27] <PacoBCN> unkwn, ok, thx
[09:28] <Q-FUNK> would anybody happen to know the fix for that keyboard map problem?
[09:28] <TMM> Seveas, euh, both...
[09:28] <tofu> hey i need some help installing drivers for my network card..
[09:28] <TMM> Seveas, soo... how do I fix that? ...
[09:28] <Seveas> TMM, they could interfere somehow
[09:28] <unkwn> snarfy:  K     Set the drives  keep_features_over_reset  flag.   Setting  this
[09:28] <unkwn>               enables the drive to retain the settings for APSWXZ over a soft
[09:28] <unkwn>               reset (as done during the error  recovery  sequence).    I get only 1800FPS Per 5Seconds..
[09:29] <Seveas> run apt-get update
[09:29] <Seveas> and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:29] <TMM> Seveas, with warty sources.list?
[09:29] <TMM> Seveas, because I don't have marillat stuff in this hoary sources.list now
[09:29] <unkwn> motuline:  you should feel lucky, the ATI drivers don't even support 3D for my chipset
[09:30] <motuline> what chipset do you have
[09:30] <Seveas> yes
[09:30] <unkwn> 9100 IGP
[09:30] <TMM> Seveas, ok, trying...
[09:30] <Seveas> make sure you delete your cache!
[09:31] <unkwn> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[09:31] <unkwn> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9000/9100 IGP Series DDR Generic
[09:31] <unkwn> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[09:31] <motuline> yes?
[09:31] <motuline> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[09:31] <motuline> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[09:31] <motuline> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 XT Generic
[09:31] <motuline> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[09:31] <unkwn> if i even try to run a 3D screensaver the whole computer locks up
[09:31] <TMM> Seveas, it still wants to remove the python stuff, but now it wants to upgrade xfree... odd.. I'm just gonna go through with it. see what happens
[09:32] <Seveas> TMM be careful and good luck
[09:32] <TMM> Seveas, yeah, thanks... not even my system...
[09:32] <unkwn> lol
[09:32] <tofu> seveas, do i need to install drivers for my network card if it shows up in the networking window
[09:33] <motuline> weird that ati drivers in suse give me fps 2500-5000 but in ubuntu I only get 1700-1800
[09:33] <Seveas> tofu, probably not
[09:33] <Seveas> can you paste the optput of ifconfig -a somewhere? (not in the channel, use a pastebin)
[09:34] <neighborlee> hi...firefox in hoary preview release is crashing and its taking entire desktop with it except xchat so far LOL...anyone else seeing this???
[09:34] <tofu> seveas, you want me to do that?
[09:34] <Seveas> tofu, yes
[09:34] <tofu> k brb
[09:36] <[-Soultrance-] > hey there, I'm a bit of a linux n00b here and could use some help if possible. I'm running Hoary at the moment and the max res I am allowed is 1024 by 768 and I wanted to know if there was a manual way I could force it or change it to 1280 x 1024 ?
[09:36] <[-Soultrance-] > I've been told to edit the Xorg.config file before but I don't know what to edit in it, lol
[09:36] <zenrox> [-Soultrance-] ,  what video card
[09:36] <apokryphos> [-Soultrance-] : (i) edit your xorg.config file or (ii) sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:36] <[-Soultrance-] > Geforce MX400
[09:37] <[-Soultrance-] > it can support it because I run in on winblows
[09:37] <zenrox> have you installed the drivers for it
[09:37] <TMM> I figured it out...
[09:37] <Seveas> TMM, tell me :)
[09:37] <TMM> I pinned the version to warty, because I needed a couple of hoary packages...
[09:37] <[-Soultrance-] > Not that I know of
[09:37] <TMM> last time I was here
[09:37] <Seveas> hehe
[09:37] <TMM> so, no wonder it wouldn't upgrade
[09:37] <TMM> I totally forget
[09:37] <Seveas> :)
[09:37] <zenrox> [-Soultrance-] ,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for help install nvidia drivers
[09:37] <TMM> somebody shoot me please ;)
[09:37] <Seveas> *pang*
[09:37] <[-Soultrance-] > okay cool
[09:37] <TMM> ty
[09:37] <[-Soultrance-] > thnx zen
[09:38] <neighborlee> aim ,,,,ready.../me shoots stream of fart gas at TMM
[09:38] <zenrox> [-Soultrance-] ,  n/p that want we are here for
[09:39] <topyli> not ty, TMM
[09:39] <topyli> heh
[09:39] <neighborlee> well my destkop is all farted out thx to firefox CRASH...ill b-r-b
[09:41] <dazed||lap> whats up with firefox???some bug?
[09:42] <khirya_> how do I redirect the output from the md5sum that gets installed with warty?
[09:42] <khirya_> (it isn't stdout)
[09:43] <Carl> pretty sure I figured this out last week, and now I can't remember
[09:43] <Tomcat_> Can somebody please kick YetEb?
[09:43] <Tomcat_> [21:42:44]  [YetEb]  Private for you... Http://xsexyx.tr.cx
[09:44] <Bubbling_Zombie> don't think we got ops here
[09:44] <Cspnico> hi
[09:44] <Seveas> Carl, it is stdout on my machine
[09:44] <Cspnico> someone konws how i can converts my ogg to mp3 ?please
[09:45] <thoreauputic_> Bubbling_Zombie: we do, they just have to give themselves ops
[09:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> ah, ok
[09:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> right, services etcetera :)
[09:45] <thoreauputic_> Cspnico: sox
[09:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> too much time on efnet :p
[09:45] <Tomcat_> That guy is really annoying... spamming me every 5 seconds.
[09:45] <Cspnico> thoreauputic>its for my mp3 ready
[09:46] <Cspnico> thoreauputic>ho dos nt support ogg
[09:46] <thoreauputic_> Cspnico: I told you - you use the sox program
[09:47] <Cspnico> thoreauputic_>sorry i m frennch and i thought thaht you would say "sux" for me it means it is bad :x
[09:47] <thoreauputic_> Cspnico: non mon ami - c'est pas ce que je voulais dire ;)
[09:47] <Cspnico> lol
[09:48] <unkwn> I'm Canadian and i don't even know what that means
[09:48] <unkwn> sad
[09:48] <unkwn> i know the first part
[09:49] <apokryphos> excuse moi, je oublie mon caie (*definitely* spelt that wrong) :)
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> one my friend - it is not what I wanted to say (courtesy of babelfish)
[09:49] <DarthFrog> unkwn: Then you're a true rest-of-Canada Canadian. :-)
[09:50] <unkwn> 'no my friend' is the first part
[09:50] <sic|> HrdwrBoB, ya beat me to babelfish
[09:50] <sic|> not my friend - it is not what I wanted to say
[09:50] <unkwn> Quebec is like the blacksheep of Canada
[09:50] <unkwn> they should just seperate already
[09:50] <Cspnico> thoreauputic_: Cspnico: non mon ami - c'est pas ce que je voulais dire ;)>>i translat
[09:50] <[-Soultrance-] > I took french from grade 6 - grade 9 and thats jibberish to me :P
[09:50] <[-Soultrance-] > and I'm from canada
[09:50] <unkwn> go move into America
[09:51] <unkwn> [-Soultrance-] :  ditto
[09:51] <Cspnico> cspnico my friend :x - its not thaht i would say
[09:51] <sic|> noooo....america is full, move to south africa
[09:51] <unkwn> we started in grade 4 though
[09:51] <sic|> heheh
[09:51] <[-Soultrance-] > I think I was earlier then 6 too
[09:51] <[-Soultrance-] > it was just a guess
[09:51] <Cspnico> America it s not very well
[09:51] <[-Soultrance-] > It's mandatory here
[09:51] <Carl> Seveas, more to my md5 problem: I am trying to do this: md5sum -c -v /tmp/x.md5>/tmp/check.md5
[09:51] <Cspnico> I prefere france
[09:51] <[-Soultrance-] > and I didn't have any other language options untill like grade 10
[09:51] <Cspnico> :=))
[09:51] <Seveas> carl, that does not look right
[09:52] <sic|> I prefer The Netherlands...
[09:52] <Seveas> are you checking an md5 sum or creating one
[09:52] <unkwn> mmm
[09:52] <unkwn> <3 NL
[09:52] <Carl> Seveas, trying to capture the output of md5sum -c
[09:52] <Carl> Seveas, checking
[09:52] <unkwn> almost my whole family is in Rotterdam
[09:53] <thoreauputic_> Cspnico: actually, I just discovered sox has no mp3 support - sorry
[09:53] <sic|> I lived in a really small town...its name is Bladl
[09:53] <Seveas> carl, the output is mainly it's exit code
[09:53] <fonsken> are there any "graphical" diskmanagers available (like fdisk, ...)?
[09:53] <Snarfy> unkwn, close by ... Capelle
[09:53] <Seveas> if you want verbose output -cv works
[09:53] <Carl> Seveas, if you add -v, you get the results, but not to stdout
[09:53] <Seveas> carl, so it is stderr
[09:53] <unkwn> my fav part of being in europe is the trains
[09:53] <unkwn> :D
[09:53] <thoreauputic_> fonsken: qtparted, gparted
[09:54] <sic|> my fav part of europe is not being in the U.S.
[09:54] <Cspnico>  thoreauputic_: >yes and it doest work at me
[09:54] <Carl> Seveas, so what is the &>@#! that redirects stderr?
[09:54] <sic|> :)
[09:54] <dwr> hello, i need help.. ubuntu won't start
[09:54] <Seveas> carl, if you want to capture stderr, you say md5sum -cv file.md5 2>some_file
[09:54] <Seveas> 2> redirects stderr
[09:54] <fonsken> thanks, thoreauputic_
[09:54] <Seveas> 2.&1 redirects stderr to stdout
[09:54] <sic|> Nermal: morning
[09:54] <Seveas> 2>&1 redirects stderr to stdout
[09:54] <Carl> 2>&1 - that is what i was looking for - thanks
[09:55] <edulix> hi !
[09:55] <Seveas> yw :)
[09:55] <Carl> I thougth it was &2>1
[09:55] <edulix> I'm trying to install java here
[09:55] <Seveas> 2 = stderr
[09:55] <Carl> now I can |tee and see what is going on
[09:55] <Seveas> > = redirect
[09:55] <apokryphos> edulix: ubuntuguide.org
[09:55] <Seveas> &1 = address of 1
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> Carl: that will background it and then try and run '2' and redirect it to '1'
[09:55] <sic|> edulix: there is a missing link pointing to the lib for java
[09:55] <edulix> sic|: where is that missing link?
[09:56] <Carl> HrdwrBoB, yeah, I would get interesting results that requreid pkill and such ;)
[09:56] <edulix> I'm having problem with rep ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/, but I'm able to download it via firefox