[21:13] <obfs4[m]> theodotos you don't have to use USB drive for /boot partition
[21:13] <obfs4[m]> you can encrpyt /boot partition


[16:24] <ahindi> hi
[16:24] <ahindi> my name is alaa el hindi
[16:25] <ahindi> any one available here


[06:21] <barrydk> Mornings
[06:32] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:42] <GnikLlort> Morning everyone
[08:19] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[10:14] <kulelu88> .
[12:07] <gremble> o/
[12:22] <kulelu88> \o
[13:04] <Padroni> hola
[14:19] <thatgraemeguy> http://www.linuxjournal.com/issue/16, Linux Journal from the same month that win 95 was released
[14:20] <thatgraemeguy> in other news, what's a good irc client nowadays that isn't quassel? it's been locking up randomly as soon as i paste copied text and i think i've had enough
[15:27] <kulelu88> i think I am slowly murdering my PC with this text processing
[15:27] <kulelu88> thatgraemeguy: XChat
[15:39] <kulelu88> superfly: how do I check what processes are running in a docker container while an ipython notebook is running?
[15:51] <superfly> kulelu88: docker exec -it <container name> bash
[15:51] <superfly> ps -ef
[15:51] <superfly> *shrug* that's what I would do
[15:54] <kulelu88> superfly: it worked, but I'm worried that maybe I should stop my script. It is running for 3 odd hours now
[15:59] <Kilos> evening all, meds for a month first yay
[16:00] <Kilos> ohi superfly inetpro gremble kulelu88 MaNI octoquad theblazehen_ Xethron and others
[16:04] <kulelu88> superfly:  5625 root      20   0 2484112 1.377g   2444 R  99.5 38.8 243:03.63 python :D
[16:09] <kulelu88> man, I now know why high-performance CPUs are important
[16:26] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[16:26] <gremble> Everything good?
[16:26] <gremble> Hey kulelu88
[16:27] <gremble> thatgraemeguy: irssi or weechat is nice as well
[16:27] <kulelu88> Heyo gremble
[16:27] <Kilos> yes ty gremble meds for a month for prostate and 22nd next month hospital for hernia
[16:27] <gremble> Good
[16:28] <Kilos> very tiring business going through that rigmarole though
[16:28] <gremble> kulelu88: sure your script isn't looping somewhere where it shouldnt?
[16:28] <gremble> I can imagine Kilos
[16:29] <kulelu88> gremble: it is the exact same code that worked on a subset of the data.
[16:29] <kulelu88> The biggest bottleneck is the way I am putting the data into Pandas. row-by-row doesn't work, but I have to do this to get the CSV (my end-goal)
[16:30] <kulelu88> *doesn't work quickly
[16:30] <gremble> Ah alright
[16:31] <gremble> Would it not be possible to do csv conversion with sed, ie. might that not be quicker?
[16:33] <kulelu88> quite possible gremble . I can wait it out this once, as the csv output will be a 1-time thing that I can import back all the time
[16:35] <gremble> Because if you get it csv, the reading is in O(1) or something like that, so it should be quick
[16:35] <gremble> I'm just guessing though. I've never attempted a large project like that
[16:36] <kulelu88> me neither, so I am expecting screw ups all the way to outputting just 1 graph :D
[16:40] <gremble> :p
[16:42] <kulelu88> Imposter syndrome hitting me hard with this project gremble
[16:46] <gremble> How because you feel you should be able to get it right?
[16:48] <kulelu88> gremble: Due to the fact that I cannot even wrangle the data slightly, whereas doing it in excel would make me super-fast
[16:48] <kulelu88> I guess there is a deep(er) learning curve than I expected
[16:50] <gremble> You had to learn excel too.
[16:50] <gremble> I'll probably be in your shoes next semester.
[16:51] <gremble> I have statistics again. So I will be trying my hand at modelling in python and R in addition to SAS
[16:54] <kulelu88> gremble: SAS will be a breeze for you
[16:56] <superfly> I try to stay away from maths.  Couldn't you find anyone better?
[16:58] <kulelu88> SAS lang itself is a DSL I'm guessing?
[16:58] <gremble> superfly: You do my kind of maths every day though :D
[16:58] <kulelu88> superfly: your knowledge of Python is deep
[16:58] <gremble> I'm not sure. but it is so hard to debug that shit
[16:58] <gremble> You have to beg it for output
[16:58] <gremble> or debugging info
[16:59] <gremble> Unless it crashes to begin with, then you get really vague arrors
[16:59] <gremble> errors*
[16:59] <gremble> It was made for people to have to buy training
[16:59] <gremble> It really doesn't need to exist anymore.
[16:59] <gremble> We've got python (written in C, so your speed should be fine) and R. R is just difficult with big data sets because it loads it into memory
[16:59] <gremble> But that can me worked through
[17:00] <superfly> gremble: at the moment, I mostly click buttons. Don't know how that is maths 😉
[17:00] <gremble> Programming is mathematics :P
[17:00] <gremble> I assumed that that is what you do
[17:00] <gremble> xD
[17:00] <superfly> It's supposed to be.
[17:01] <superfly> Recently I haven't done a huge amount of that, been working on setting up tools for automating stuff
[17:01] <superfly> kulelu88: I know more python than you, but that doesn't mean my knowledge is deep.
[17:02] <kulelu88> man, I'd sure love to be dockops and stick with containers :D
[17:02] <kulelu88> superfly: I bet you know how to optimize python code, doing that already makes your knowledge deep
[17:04] <superfly> Well, I know a few tricks.
[17:05] <kulelu88> the deeper into the rabbit-hole though, the more I learn how stackoverflow is a programmers best tool
[17:05] <kulelu88> :D
[17:05] <gremble> those stackexchange sites are an invaluable resource
[17:06] <gremble> the few times that I've asked questions, I got punted pretty hard, but reading other answers and adapting from that has helped me more often than not
[17:08] <gremble> Hey Cryterion
[17:08] <Cryterion> Hi
[17:15] <superfly> Hey Cryterion
[17:30] <kulelu88> superfly: what CRUD frameworks do you know of using python?
[17:30] <superfly> CRUD?
[17:31] <superfly> oh, you mean like an ORM?
[17:31] <superfly> SQLAlchemy.
[17:41] <kulelu88> superfly: CRUD like "build me an application that keeps track of my fleet"
[17:42] <superfly> kulelu88: Django has a bunch of stuff built in, if you want to try it. I personally prefer a combination of SQLAlchemy, Flask and AngularJS
[17:45] <superfly> I prefer a minimalist approach, but if you're happy with the kitchen sink, Django apparently includes it.
[18:05] <kulelu88> thanks superfly
[18:13] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:16] <kulelu88> gremble: from a couple of hours to a 30 second solution :D
[18:21] <gremble> That is rad
[18:21] <gremble> What did you do?
[18:21] <magespawn> good evening
[18:22] <kulelu88> i stored everything into a list of lists and initiated with the list of lists
[18:22] <gremble> Nice
[18:23] <kulelu88> noob level just dropped below 9000 gremble :P
[18:24] <superfly> kulelu88: https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips
[18:24] <magespawn> having caught only the tail end of that i am not too sure what is going on
[18:25] <kulelu88> magespawn: paradigms of making code run faster
[18:26] <magespawn> ahh right
[18:28] <gremble> :P
[18:29] <magespawn> so much to learn and so little time
[18:31] <inetpro> good evenings
[18:32] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[18:33] <inetpro> magespawn: how you doing?
[18:34] <inetpro> please note that we have a meeting here tomorrow
[18:34] <inetpro> hope pieter[tab] will be there
[18:34] <magespawn> good and you inetpro? yup i see so
[18:34] <inetpro> his first time to chair
[18:41] <magespawn> is there a way to get hold of him?
[18:42] <gremble> Very carefully?
[18:45] <magespawn> hah
[18:45] <gremble> We're not talking about catching a porcupine, are we?
[18:45] <magespawn> using only the thumb and forefinger, grasp firmly behind the jaw
[18:46] <gremble> That is how I got my first girlfriend
[18:47] <kulelu88> was she human? :P
[18:47] <gremble> I have to prove an equivalence relation on a database for my one subject. Sometimes math meets weird
[18:49] <inetpro> magespawn: I sent him an email
[18:52] <magespawn_> random disconnect night i see
[18:52] <kulelu88> darn, matplotlib is not showing me graphs. fecking hell
[18:53] <inetpro> magespawn_: and he responded positively, he will be here tomorrow
[18:59] <magespawn> this is going to drive me nuts good night all
[18:59] <magespawn> see you tomorrow
[19:23] <superfly> kulelu88_afk: https://www.airpair.com/python/posts/optimizing-python-code
[21:23] <Squirm> DONE
[21:23] <Squirm> Home time :)
[21:24] <melodie> hi
[21:24] <melodie> what time is it in your place.
[21:24] <melodie> ?
[21:27] <kulelu88> 23.30
[22:06] <Squirm> Hi melodie
[22:06] <Squirm> Yeah, just gone 12pm now
[22:06] <Squirm> hmm, I mean 12am


[03:55] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[05:10] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[05:10] <EriC^^> how are you?
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> great here
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> cuppa cofee
[05:11] <EriC^^> nice
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> !find ubports
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/09/ubuntu-17-10-32-bit-builds-dropped
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/09/librem-5-crowdfunding-50-percent-mark
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> the urge is there
[06:10] <ducasse> morning all
[06:11] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i do translations, yes, but not for ubuntu. by the way i do norwegian, not danish ;)
[06:21] <Bashing-om> ducasse: K; :) .. noted now !
[06:27] <ducasse> Bashing-om: danish and norwegian are almost identical to read/write (but not spoken), though ;)
[06:28] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:28] <Bashing-om> ducasse: The issue is now long gone and is no longer of immediate relevance .
[06:33] <ducasse> Bashing-om: it was just an fyi :) had a good day?
[06:36] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Has been a slow one . But I have managed to keep busy :)
[06:41] <ducasse> Bashing-om: looks like a quiet day in the rain here as well, we'll see if it picks up
[06:44] <Bashing-om> Once the sun makes it across, it will pick up :)
[07:34] <Bashing-om> All I can stand for one seesion - good night guys \o
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> pingpong day
[08:53] <daftykins> :D heya
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[08:59] <daftykins> what's new in lotus land?
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: i almost start at new work, so more time for lotus computers :p
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: im at 11th invoice
[09:02] <daftykins> :D
[09:03] <daftykins> ooh nice
[09:03] <daftykins> let me know if you need more fudge to celebrate your 100th ;)
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: lol
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> what a lazy day
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/09/atari-ataribox-runs-linux
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spend-bitcoin-anywhere
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> didnt know bitcoin reached that far already
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/eolie-web-browser-for-gnome-the-simplest-web-browser
[12:55] <EriC^^> hey
[12:57] <EriC^^> !ping
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Hey EriC^^  :-)
[14:53] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj :)
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> wb EriC^^
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> morning nacc
[15:04] <nacc> lotuspsychje: morning
[15:38] <EriC^^> thanks lotuspsychje
[17:43] <nacc> interesting, ikea bought taskrabbit
[17:44] <nacc> an open source company getting bought by a brick&mortar
[17:44] <nacc> https://github.com/taskrabbit
[17:57] <Bashing-om> OK; ready to have fun now .


[00:16] <menn0> thumper: can you have another look at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1975/ pls when you're back?
[00:35] <davecheney> thumper: james fixed the worker/provisioner race
[00:35] <davecheney> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2566
[00:35] <davecheney> so i guess that means we don't need to argue about gocheck maintainership
[01:16] <thumper> menn0: ack
[01:27] <thumper> hmm... looks like reviewboard host is out of disk space
[01:28] <davecheney> rup row
[01:28] <davecheney> score one for the cloud
[01:28] <thumper> the cloud, where everything just works
[01:34] <davecheney> yup, as well as it does right here in your home
[01:34] <davecheney> or your money back
[01:40] <axw> wallyworld: I'm not really sure what we need to say about iaas resource tagging beyond what's in the release notes. do you have any ideas?
[01:41] <wallyworld> axw: from memory the release notes seemed to cover it. they explained what was done and how to ass custom tags etc. so maybe just copy to a PR on the doc project
[01:41] <axw> wallyworld: ok
[01:42] <wallyworld> we just need to make sure the doc work is scheduled - hence the PR / bug being done
[01:43] <axw> wallyworld: do I specifically need to do a PR? I'm not sure where this would best go, so ok if I just create an issue on the project with the text, and then keep an eye on it?
[01:43] <wallyworld> yeah, that will be fine
[01:45] <menn0> thumper: is the RB machine also the main Jenkins host?
[01:45] <thumper> NFI
[01:46] <menn0> thumper: just checked, they are
[01:46] <axw> menn0: reviews. and juju-ci. both resolve to the same
[01:46] <menn0> axw: yep, i just checked the same thing :)
[01:47] <axw> :)
[01:47] <menn0> so if RB is having trouble them Jenkins will be as well
[01:47] <thumper> hazaah
[01:48] <menn0> thumper: i'm on the host now... root volume is certainly full
[01:48] <thumper> menn0: go delete some stuff
[01:49] <thumper> pretty sure we don't need /var
[01:49] <thumper> :-)
[01:49] <menn0> i'm just looking for where the space is being used
[01:49]  * thumper chuckles to himself
[01:49] <menn0> it's painfully slow
[01:49] <thumper> hmm
[01:49] <thumper> need coffee
[01:58] <menn0> thumper: you there?
[01:58] <thumper> yup
[01:58] <thumper> ugh... snow
[01:58] <davecheney> thumper: ready when you are
[01:58] <menn0> thumper: the culprit is the logs for the juju env that hosts the various CI services (reviews, CI proxy, reports)
[01:59] <thumper> hah
[01:59] <thumper> no rotation?
[01:59] <menn0> thumper: the disk isn't really big enough to support the way Juju rotates the logs
[01:59] <thumper> heh, oh the irony
[01:59] <menn0> thumper: there's several units each with 2 backups of 300MB plus the current log file
[02:00] <menn0> the disk is only 7GB total
[02:00] <menn0> thumper: also the logs are full of: exited "rsyslog": x509: certificate signed by unknown authority (possibly because of "crypto/rsa: verification error" while trying to verify candidate authority certificate "juju-generated CA for environment \"rsyslog\"")
[02:00] <menn0> weee
[02:01]  * thumper stabs rsyslog
[02:01] <menn0> wallyworld/thumper/davecheney: do you remember if the above has been fixed/
[02:01] <menn0> ?
[02:01] <thumper> I keep seeing it...
[02:01] <wallyworld> hmmm
[02:02] <wallyworld> i thought it had been
[02:02]  * menn0 is compressing the backup logs
[02:03] <menn0> that's better... 3.5GB free
[02:04] <menn0> wallyworld, thumper: this env is 1.21. I don't think the problem has been fixed there.
[02:05] <menn0> regardless, the disk is never going to be big enough
[02:05] <menn0> i'll shoot out an email
[02:05] <anastasiamac> menn0: tyvm for fixing/cleaning up the machine :D
[02:06] <menn0> anastasiamac: np
[02:45] <mup> Bug #1467362 opened: utils/ssh: data race in test <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467362>
[03:36] <davecheney> thumper: menn0 git push --set-upstream origin fixedbugs/1465115
[03:36] <mup> Bug #1465115: api: data race in test <intermittent-failure> <race-condition> <unit-tests> <juju-core:In Progress by dave-cheney> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1465115>
[03:36] <davecheney> thumper: menn0 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2618
[03:36] <davecheney> you'll love this one
[03:37]  * menn0 looks
[03:40] <menn0> davecheney: LGTM
[03:40] <menn0> davecheney: nasty problem
[03:42] <davecheney> yeah, that is a terrible footgun in the http api
[03:55] <mwhudson> davecheney: so the situation with rugby is that it doesn't have any kind of useful outbound network access at all, right?
[03:55] <mwhudson> not even via proxy
[04:00] <mup> Bug #1467372 opened: api/cleaner: data race in test <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467372>
[04:03] <davecheney> mwhudson: yup
[04:03] <davecheney> it broke a few weeks ago
[04:03] <davecheney> this isn't the first time it broke
[04:03] <mwhudson> davecheney: nice
[04:04] <davecheney> but this was the first time I no longer had the stregth to complain on #is
[04:04] <davecheney> mwhudson: if you would take up the charge this time, I would be indebted
[04:04] <mwhudson> davecheney: i'm happy to (tomorrow) if you can tell me what should be working
[04:05] <davecheney> there is a proxy
[04:05] <davecheney> it runs on batuan
[04:05] <davecheney> well it used to
[04:05] <davecheney> but it doesn' tnow
[04:05] <mwhudson> davecheney: https_proxy=http://squid.internal:3128/ ?
[04:05] <davecheney> this proxy isn't monitored by is
[04:05] <davecheney> so it shits tiselfe every now and then
[04:05] <mwhudson> i see
[04:05] <davecheney> and needs to be manually unshitted
[04:12] <mup> Bug #1467372 changed: api/cleaner: data race in test <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467372>
[04:15] <mup> Bug #1467372 opened: api/cleaner: data race in test <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467372>
[04:20] <mwhudson> davecheney: you got some arm64 hw recently, right?
[04:20] <mwhudson> that iirc you weren't very impressed with
[04:27] <davecheney> yes, and yes
[04:30] <mup> Bug #1447234 changed: juju prints "error" when deploying yet no units are in error <deployer> <lxc> <reliability> <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1447234>
[04:30] <mup> Bug #1467374 opened: worker/uniter/filter: ci test failure <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467374>
[04:34] <mwhudson> davecheney: what was it?
[04:34]  * mwhudson disappears, will read backlog later
[04:40] <davecheney> mwhudson: xgene
[05:21] <mup> Bug #1467379 opened: "attachmentcount" field not set when upgrading from 1.24 <storage> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467379>
[08:40] <jam> dimitern: I'm going to miss standup, I have to run an errand
[08:46] <dimitern> jam, ok, np
[09:06] <voidspace> dimitern: ping
[09:06] <voidspace> dimitern: standup?
[09:09] <fwereade> is anyone free to take a look at RB? [Errno 28] No space left on device: '/tmp/reviewboard.pcPtS2'
[09:12] <voidspace> dimitern: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2598
[10:56] <axw> evilnick: I possibly just inadvertently switched a checkbox on https://github.com/juju/docs/issues/444
[10:56] <axw> evilnick: which one left as an exercise to the reader (I don't know which one it was :/)
[10:56] <evilnick> axw hehehe. Thanks!
[10:57] <axw> axw: sorry about that. didn't realise clicking them did things.
[10:57] <evilnick> those things are a mixed blessing
[10:57] <axw> untracked things at that
[10:57] <evilnick> it's okay, we are nearly done with them anyhow - it will be pretty easy for me to tell what is changed
[10:58] <axw> cool
[11:50] <tasdomas> is the reviewboard server out of disk space? I see this message: '[Errno 28] No space left on device: '/tmp/reviewboard.iG8Eys'' on http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1963/diff/#
[12:32] <Muntaner> hi jujuers
[12:32] <Muntaner> I'm having problems with a bootstrap
[12:33] <Muntaner> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11755548/
[12:39] <dooferlad> dimitern / TheMue: could you take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2621 please? ReviewBoard hasn't found it (still out of disk space?) so please review on Github.
[12:39] <mgz> Muntaner: what did you do to add an ubuntu image to your deployment and register it with simplestreams?
[12:41] <mgz> Muntaner: I'm presuming you've read and followed jujucharms.com/docs/stable/howto-privatecloud
[12:41] <dimitern> dooferlad, looking
[12:46] <TheMue> dooferlad: *click*
[12:47] <Muntaner> mgz, does juju work with the new vivid cloud ubuntu images?
[12:47] <Muntaner> I mean, the 15.04
[12:47] <Muntaner> because it worked flawlessly with the old ones (14.04), but with the new I'm getting strange errors
[12:48] <dimitern> dooferlad, done
[12:48] <mgz> Muntaner: yes, but in that bootstrap it's not finding the image stream at all
[12:48] <Muntaner> mgz, it was an error in the metadatas
[12:49] <Muntaner> mgz, now I managed to go on: I get another error that I'm pasting
[12:49] <Muntaner> mgz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11756595/
[12:49] <Muntaner> seems like it is searching for metadatas of a 14.04 version, why does it?
[12:51] <Muntaner> sorry, I pasted the same stuff for two times
[12:52] <TheMue> dooferlad: agreeing to dimitern comments ;)
[12:53] <mgz> Muntaner: looks like you are trying to bootstrap trusty and have no trusty images
[12:53] <Muntaner> mgz, mmmh
[12:53] <Muntaner> I'm not trying to bootstrap trusty: I wanna vivid
[12:54] <Muntaner> in my environments.yawl, I got a default-series: vivid
[12:54] <mgz> what's default-series in your environments.yaml?
[12:54] <Muntaner> mgz -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11756623/
[12:54] <Muntaner> I got vivid
[12:58] <Muntaner> mgz, also with juju bootstrap --debug --series=vivid --upload-tools I got the same result
[13:00] <mgz> Muntaner: yeah, --series doesn't do that
[13:01] <Muntaner> mgz, sooo ...
[13:03] <Muntaner> mgz, maybe I solved
[13:03] <Muntaner> via tools-metadata-url: https://streams.canonical.com/juju/tools/
[13:04] <mgz> yeah, you also want to be able to access vivid tools, but doesn't seem to be where it's getting stuck from the logs
[13:04] <Muntaner> mgz, are you a developer?
[13:05] <Muntaner> aw yes, we are in dev chan
[13:06] <Muntaner> I think that juju logs need to be revisited
[13:06] <Muntaner> in other situations, I'm having a lot of troubles in understanding what isn't working
[13:06] <mgz> simplestreams is unreadable junk
[13:06] <mgz> and why we're still logging config contents >_<
[13:07] <Muntaner> mgz, will juju never work with containers? :)
[13:07] <mgz> ? it does.
[13:08] <mgz> so, can you now bootstrap or are you still stuck on simplestreams?
[13:08] <Muntaner> mgz, sorry, got confused! seems to be bootstraping, but now it's stuck at Installing package: cloud-image-utils
[13:09] <Muntaner> maybe I've got some issues in my openstack
[13:09] <dooferlad> dimitern: replied to that review (https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2621)
[13:12] <dimitern> dooferlad, replied
[13:13] <dooferlad> dimitern: thanks. Will fix up as suggested
[13:14] <dimitern> dooferlad, cheers
[13:19] <dooferlad> dimitern: by the way, I will probably be a bit late for the networking knowledge sharing because I need to pick my daughter up.
[13:23] <Muntaner> maybe I'm having problems with security groups...
[13:23] <Muntaner> guys, shall I open some ports in my default security group?
[13:24] <Muntaner> because the environments gets bootstraped
[13:24] <Muntaner> but it stucks at the apt-get upgrade...
[13:24] <Muntaner> can't ssh to machines, can't get ssh status
[13:24] <Muntaner> juju status*
[13:24] <dimitern> dooferlad, ok, no worries
[13:24] <Muntaner>  DEBUG juju.api apiclient.go:337 error dialing "wss://<IP_ADDRESS>:17070/environment/46eefeea-bd6a-43a9-8571-23a841643c0f/api", will retry: websocket.Dial wss://<IP_ADDRESS>:17070/environment/46eefeea-bd6a-43a9-8571-23a841643c0f/api: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:17070: connection refused
[13:32] <Muntaner> guys, anybody can help me in understanting why it's getting stuck at Installing package: cloud-image-utils
[13:32] <Muntaner> ?
[13:42] <Muntaner> mmmh...
[13:46] <Muntaner> where can I find the tgz of the tools?
[13:49] <natefinch> Muntaner: I haven't done this personally, but I Think this section shows the relevant topics: https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/howto-privatecloud#image-metadata
[13:50] <Muntaner> natefinch, I think I fixed the metadata problem
[13:51] <natefinch> Muntaner: cool
[13:52] <Muntaner> natefinch, the host machine got lost in this:
[13:52] <Muntaner> in the /var/log/cloud-init-output.log, I got this:
[13:53] <Muntaner> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11756909/
[13:53] <Muntaner> a lot of
[13:54] <natefinch> Muntaner: hmm
[13:59] <natefinch> Muntaner: do the machines have outside access to ubuntu package archives?
[14:00] <Muntaner> natefinch, naturally, yes
[14:02] <Muntaner> natefinch, now It works, maybe I got some network hic-cups
[14:02] <Muntaner> a non juju-related question: do skype work for you? for me, it crashes after 5 seconds under xubuntu and fedora
[14:04] <natefinch> Muntaner: I don't use skype, just google hangouts.  Works very reliably.  Not sure if they use similar technology.
[14:18] <Muntaner> natefinch, I got a problem with endpoints
[14:18] <Muntaner> who is telling to the juju machine 0 the endpoints?
[14:19] <Muntaner> because it is looking for "controller:8774"
[14:19] <Muntaner> but naturally, the vm can't know who is "controller"
[14:21] <natefinch> Muntaner: I'm not sure where that information is coming from.  That's not hardcoded or anything (neither is that port, I don't see 8774 in the code at all)
[14:22] <Muntaner> natefinch, I think it is asking to my openstack "what are your endpoints"?
[14:22] <mgz> Muntaner: it's in your keystone config
[14:22] <Muntaner> so I probably neet to change them
[14:22] <Muntaner> need*
[14:22] <Muntaner> it's fine :)
[14:30] <voidspace> dimitern: dooferlad: network problems are due to ethernet-over-power hardware problems
[14:30] <voidspace> still seeing if they can be resolved or if I need new hardware
[14:31] <Muntaner> guys
[14:31] <Muntaner> I'm trying to deploy juju-gui
[14:31] <Muntaner> on my fresh vivid environment
[14:31] <Muntaner> does it exists for vivid?
[14:31] <Muntaner> 'cos I'm getting a sad "ERROR juju.cmd supercommand.go:430 cannot resolve charm URL "cs:vivid/juju-gui": charm not found"
[14:35] <natefinch> Muntaner: I don't think the gui charm exists for vivid.  Most charms don't exist for vivid.  rick_h_ would know ^
[14:36] <Muntaner> aw!
[14:37] <natefinch> Muntaner: you could always copy the charm and put it on launchpad under your own name for vivid... in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if someone else already had
[14:37] <mgz> you can always download a trusty charm, rename the series, and try deploying from local:
[14:37] <natefinch> that too ^
[14:37] <rick_h_> natefinch: correct, we're only LTS
[14:38] <natefinch> It's sort of unfortunate that we tie charms to series so tightly, when a lot of the time they work fine in other series.
[14:48] <dimitern> voidspace, oh boy :/ one drawback of ethernet-over-power
[14:48] <voidspace> dimitern: yeah
[14:48] <voidspace> dimitern: a router or network card can just as easily fail too though
[14:48] <voidspace> dimitern: I don't think they're inherently unreliable, just one extra piece that can go wrong
[14:48] <voidspace> dimitern: looks like the remote one has just died
[14:49] <voidspace> dimitern: a system reset on the main one hasn't helped and according to the diagnostic tool I have the remote one isn't working
[14:49] <voidspace> isn't being detected at all
[14:50] <Muntaner> hey guys
[14:50] <Muntaner> last thing :)
[14:50] <dimitern> voidspace, but what's the problem you've discovered?
[14:50] <Muntaner> I should deploy a private local bundle on my fresh juju
[14:50] <Muntaner> I've got my bundle.yawl there
[14:50] <voidspace> dimitern: well, as the remote unit doesn't work I have no network
[14:50] <Muntaner> what was the command?
[14:50] <voidspace> dimitern: and my networking configuration for the machine requires eth0 to be connected
[14:50] <dimitern> voidspace, remote unit being the other end of the EoP ?
[14:51] <voidspace> dimitern: yep
[14:51] <mgz> Muntaner: I should have mentioned earlier, but you'd really be better off in #juju rather than here
[14:51] <voidspace> dimitern: the end my desktop is connected to
[14:51] <dimitern> voidspace, right
[14:51] <dimitern> voidspace, can you use a cable instead?
[14:53] <mup> Bug #1467556 opened: TestMachineAgentRunsEnvironStorageWorker fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <test-failure> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467556>
[14:53] <Muntaner> mgz, sorry
[14:59] <voidspace> dimitern: my desktop is upstairs, so no
[14:59] <voidspace> dimitern: I can go back to wifi and order a replacement -
[15:01]  * TheMue is shortly afk to ride back home in a dry moment ;)
[15:02] <dimitern> voidspace, I see, well I hope you figure out how to fix it :)
[15:03] <voidspace> dimitern: I can probably set up a virtual maas with maas 1.8 to test code against until the replacement arrives
[15:03] <voidspace> dimitern: I can't run my "real maas" without working ethernet
[15:03] <dimitern> voidspace, sounds good, and I can give you a hand with testing on both my maas-es
[15:04] <voidspace> dimitern: cool
[15:04] <voidspace> dimitern: thanks
[15:07] <dimitern> dooferlad, can you update bug 1463480 if there's anything you've missed ?
[15:07] <mup> Bug #1463480: Failed upgrade, mixed up HA addresses <blocker> <canonical-bootstack> <ha> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.22:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <hacluster (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1463480>
[16:26] <mup> Bug #1467590 opened: Running out of disk space blocks interacting with env on cli <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467590>
[17:02] <katco`> ericsnow: natefinch: planning meeting
[17:03] <natefinch> katco: coming
[21:29] <katco> ericsnow: wwitzel3: so i've never actually worked on a hook before. where are those defined?
[21:30] <katco> ericsnow: wwitzel3: gh.com/juju/charm?
[21:30] <katco> /hooks?
[21:30] <ericsnow> katco: what do you mean by "hook"?
[21:30] <katco> ericsnow: this is for the launch command
[21:31] <ericsnow> katco: we aren't adding any hooks
[21:50] <perrito666> katco: hooks are in the charm package
[22:00] <katco> ericsnow: k, think i've found it: uniter/runner/jujuc/. however, where should ours live under process?
[22:00] <ericsnow> katco: we already wrote all that
[22:00] <ericsnow> katco: process/context
[22:01] <ericsnow> katco: see register.go for a hook context command
[22:01] <ericsnow> katco: launch be very similar
[22:01] <katco> ericsnow: awesome. ty
[22:01] <ericsnow> katco: :)
[22:31] <thumper> wallyworld: I thought you said this was fixed? http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/2801/job/run-unit-tests-precise-i386/attempt/2149
[22:32] <wallyworld> it was - i checked the commits
[22:32] <wallyworld> if it's still broken there's maybe a regression or another problem?
[22:32] <wallyworld> in a meeting, will check soon
[22:36] <mup> Bug #1467690 opened: inconsistent juju status from cli vs api <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467690>
[22:41] <mwhudson> davecheney: rugby can talk to its proxy again
[23:05] <wallyworld> thumper: i had a look at the logs for that test - i call bullshit
[23:05] <wallyworld> i can't see an int overflow there
[23:05] <thumper> cmd/juju/addrelation_test.go:18: undefined: CmdBlockHelper
[23:05] <wallyworld> there's a uniter test failure relating to an upgrade test
[23:05] <thumper> I'll look, but curious that it doesn't fail all the time
[23:06] <wallyworld> yeah, go figure
[23:26] <axw> wallyworld: conn died
[23:35] <davecheney> mwhudson: thanks
[23:36] <davecheney> mwhudson: actually
[23:36] <davecheney> it's  not working for me
[23:36] <mwhudson> hm
[23:36] <mwhudson> i managed to clone go a few minutes ago
[23:36] <davecheney> are you still in #is
[23:36] <mwhudson> i never leave!
[23:46] <davecheney> welcome to canoincal, when raising RT's is for the weak


[00:10] <lukjad86> Is there a way to get iftop to show what programs are using up my bandwidth rather than the destinations?
[00:11] <lukjad86> because if apache is being connected to by 20 hosts, that really doesn't give me a clear picture of what I need to close down or monitor
[00:11] <bodhi_zazen> lukjad86: what is the problem you are having exactly ?
[00:11] <bodhi_zazen> limited bandwidth ?
[00:12] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen Well, I only have 100 KBs upload
[00:12] <lukjad86> Speed
[00:13] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen And sometimes if I'm uploading a file, browsing and try and FTP something, everything kinda slows down, and I can't tell what it is. It could be F@H getting a new work load, at which point it will clear up soon.
[00:13] <pleia2> lukjad86: there is ntop
[00:13] <lukjad86> But I can't tell.
[00:13] <lukjad86> pleia2 ntop?
[00:13] <pleia2> might be more useful than iftop
[00:14] <lukjad86> pleia2 It's like htop but for the network?
[00:14] <pleia2> lukjad86: pretty much
[00:15] <lukjad86> Thanks
[00:15] <bodhi_zazen> lukjad86: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-linux.html
[00:15] <lukjad86> pleia2 Does it need any special setup or does it all just work it's way through?
[00:16] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen Ubuntu geek BLAH.
[00:16] <lukjad86> ;)
[00:16] <lukjad86> But thanks for the link
[00:16] <pleia2> hmm, ntop is different than I remember
[00:17] <pleia2> oh, they added a "web mode" which is confusing me
[00:17] <lukjad86> pleia2 Does the initial startup take a while?
[00:17] <lukjad86> Because it hasn't failed, but gave me an error that it is unable to create the base directory
[00:18] <pleia2> looks like it does need special configuration
[00:18] <bodhi_zazen> lukjad86: run it as sudo
[00:18] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen Yeah, I did
[00:18] <bodhi_zazen> ntop was very fast last time I looked at it lukjad86
[00:19] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen And it started fine but it just is sitting there
[00:19] <lukjad86> Mon 08 Mar 2010 07:15:47 PM EST  **ERROR** RRD: Disabled - unable to create base directory (err 13, /var/lib/ntop/rrd)
[00:19] <pleia2> hrm
[00:19] <lukjad86> Shall I restart it?
[00:19] <bodhi_zazen>  mkdir /var/lib/ntop/rrd -p
[00:19] <bodhi_zazen> then re start
[00:20] <lukjad86> hah. My mom walked in and saw me staring at the terminal and said: "how can you have fun doing that all the time?"
[00:20] <pleia2> lol
[00:20] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen is the -p part of the command or just your comment?
[00:20] <pleia2> part of the command
[00:20] <bodhi_zazen> -p is part of the command
[00:21] <pleia2> it makes parent directories if they don't exist
[00:21] <lukjad86> That is good to know, thanks
[00:21] <lukjad86> Same error
[00:22] <lukjad86> Oh, wait. Another sub-directory :P
[00:23] <lukjad86> It's like it wants a million sub-directories
[00:24] <pleia2> hmm, the debian package set all the stuff up for me
[00:24] <pleia2> is librrd4 installed?
[00:24] <pleia2> sorry, this is turning into a whole 'nother project :)
[00:25] <lukjad86> pleia2 heh.
[00:25] <stlsaint> lo pleia2
[00:25] <lukjad86> ahh, 20 errors
[00:25] <pleia2> g'day stlsaint
[00:25] <stlsaint> lo lukjad86
[00:26] <lukjad86> Hey steelsteve
[00:26] <lukjad86> stlsaint
[00:26] <lukjad86> librrd4 is already the newest version.
[00:26] <lukjad86> I'll work on this in the morn, thanks for the help stlsaint :)
[00:27] <lukjad86> s/stlsaint/pleia2
[00:27] <lukjad86> pleia2 :)
[00:27] <pleia2> lukjad86: welcome, good luck! :)
[00:27] <lukjad86> :)
[00:31] <stlsaint> lukjad86: your welcome ;)
[00:32] <serverduck> How and from were can i install a different theme and login screen for my 9.10 ubuntu?
[00:36] <stlsaint> serverduck: just download a theme and install form your system>preferences interface
[00:38] <serverduck> from appearance?
[00:38] <stlsaint> serverduck: yes sorry
[00:39] <serverduck> it sens me here for other themes
[00:39] <serverduck> http://art.gnome.org/themes/
[00:39] <serverduck> but were do i download the themes
[00:39] <serverduck> what are the themes called here>
[00:39] <serverduck> splash screens?
[00:40] <serverduck> ohh my
[00:40] <serverduck> splash screen is a desktop wallpaper right?
[00:41] <stlsaint> no
[00:41] <serverduck> wops you're right
[00:42] <serverduck> don't know what those are
[00:42] <serverduck> I'm confused because it only gives me 5 categories and can't find an actual theme
[00:43] <serverduck> At least I found login screens:P
[00:43] <stlsaint> cool
[00:43] <serverduck> Where do you  install those?
[00:46] <serverduck> I found how, thanks anyway.
[02:52] <serverduck> Someone still on?:)
[02:52] <serverduck> I installed xsensor on my laptop but when starting it i only get a blank window no temperatures..no nothing...why?
[03:15] <ShadowKnight> hey, i was wondering. is ubuntu good to use with kubuntu and xubuntu? what are the benefits and drawbacks to using them?
[03:19] <mcw> how do we enable twinview in 9.10?
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: ping
[05:46] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, pong
[05:46] <DarkwingDuck> hey, answered my own question lol
[09:11] <Joeb454_> morning
[09:12] <pedro3005> hey Joeb454
[09:12] <Joeb454_> hi pedro3005
[09:13] <pedro3005> Joeb454_, do you have the bad feeling UBT is dying?
[09:14] <Joeb454_> pedro3005, I wouldn't say dying...struggling with growth - definitely
[09:14] <pedro3005> Joeb454_, struggling with growth, that may be it
[09:14] <pedro3005> Joeb454_, the team is becoming way too official and organized
[09:15] <ikt> erm
[09:15] <Joeb454_> pedro3005, I think that comes with the size, there's a need for more officialness
[09:15] <Joeb454_> but maybe not too much
[09:16] <Joeb454_> pedro3005, also - people leaving is probably also due to varying real life factors
[09:16] <Joeb454_> that's the reason I'm stepping down from the council
[09:16] <pedro3005> Joeb454_, idk, I don't feel the team as friendly and social as it used to be
[09:17] <Joeb454_> pedro3005, I think 90% of that is to do with the size - it's too big to be the same team where everybody knows everybody else now
[09:18] <pedro3005> Joeb454, and the meetings & planning are too official and bureaucrat
[09:19] <Joeb454_> +1, though that's definitely to do with the growing pains
[09:19] <pedro3005> Joeb454, why can't we organize what is strictly necessary for helping beginners? maybe we became more pre-occupied with setting things up than using them
[09:20] <Silver_Fox_> Hello joeb454 :)
[09:21] <Joeb454_> hi Silver_Fox_
[09:21] <Joeb454_> I feel dirty, I'm on Xchat, on Windows
[09:21] <Joeb454_> pedro3005, that's a good point, though I'm not sure what the answer is
[09:22] <pedro3005> Joeb454_, well, gotta run. see you around
[09:23] <Joeb454_> pedro3005, see you later
[09:23] <Silver_Fox_> Bye pedro3005
[09:23] <pedro3005> Silver_Fox_, hi & bye :)
[09:28] <talsemgeest> Hey Silver_Fox_ and Joeb454_ :)
[09:28] <talsemgeest> Joeb454_: It has been a while :)
[09:29] <Joeb454_> hi talsemgeest...that it has :)
[09:29] <Joeb454_> how're you?
[09:29] <talsemgeest> Joeb454_: Very good, busy with school. Hows things with you?
[09:30] <Joeb454_> talsemgeest, not too bad. A little ill, but still good.
[09:30] <talsemgeest> Joeb454_: Oh, whats the problem?
[09:30] <Joeb454_> talsemgeest, I think this is the longest I've been on IRC for at least a month
[09:30] <Joeb454_> talsemgeest, just a cold, and aches
[09:31] <talsemgeest> Joeb454_: Ah, nothing too serious then :)
[09:31]  * talsemgeest is back in hospital on thursday
[09:31] <Joeb454_> no nothing too bad
[09:31] <Joeb454_> talsemgeest, why's that?
[09:31] <Silver_Fox_> Its talsemgeest  !
[09:31] <talsemgeest> Joeb454_: I got diagnosed with ITP earlier in the year, my immune system destroyed all my platelets. All healthy now, just need a checkup and a bloodtest
[09:31] <talsemgeest> Its Silver_Fox_!
[09:32] <Silver_Fox_> where>?
[09:32]  * talsemgeest looks quickly around the room and spots nothing
[09:35] <Joeb454_> talsemgeest, that sucks :( but at least you're healthy again, that's all that matters I guess
[09:36] <talsemgeest> Joeb454_: Yup, and a 30% chance I will stay that way :)
[09:36] <Joeb454_> :)
[13:37] <ShadowKnight> hi, i was wondering. im running ubuntu is it good to install kubuntu (and/ or xubuntu) at the same time? is there any draw backs or any benefits from that?
[13:57] <michae1> epilogue... I know I should install server edition, but am not up on the command line terminology.
[13:58] <michae1> What I did was download desktop 9.10 and would like to know what server software it is I need to install on top of the desktop kernel to get it to act / work like a server.
[13:59] <michae1> and I understand that there are apps on the desktop I don't need on a server, but am more after being able to do this through an intuitive gui.
[14:07] <canthus13> michae1: I wouldn't try it if you're not willing to use the command line.
[14:07] <canthus13> MOST server configuration is done via command line/editing config files.
[14:09] <canthus13> There are web-based interfaces available such as (depricated) webmin.
[14:09] <canthus13> But as I said before, most of the configuration is going to be done via command line and config file editing.
[14:10]  * canthus13 learned most of his command line skills from setting up his own personal server.
[14:37] <michae1> canthus13: is there a cheat sheet somewhere as it relates to installing and setting up the server kernel? My initial goal here is to solve a master browser issue where four or five xp machines are fighting with one another and seriously bogging down a home / office network.
[14:45] <canthus13> michae1: That I'm not sure about.   I'd check #samba if google doesn't turn up anything.
[14:46] <ShadowKnight> hey, i was wondering two things. what is this beryl project (i heard it compares to aero so i was wondering that) and is there a way that you can file share through windows and linux i heard something about samba and i was wondering what that was.
[14:47] <Silver_Fox_> beryl was replaced with compiz-fusion
[14:47] <Silver_Fox_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[14:47] <Silver_Fox_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82ZTV82OmKo
[14:48] <canthus13> ShadowKnight: Samba is an implementation of SMB/CIFS for linux.
[14:49] <canthus13> ShadowKnight: It supports all sorts of windows-specific networking features, not just file sharing.
[14:49] <ShadowKnight> oh okay thank you silver_fox that is very helpful. and also thanks canthus13 :)
[14:50] <canthus13> ShadowKnight: No prob.  check out http://www.samba.org for more info.
[14:50] <ShadowKnight> okay, will do :)
[14:53] <canthus13> michae1: Err. Now that I think about it, you probably just need to install Samba on a desktop install to solve your master browser issue.
[16:20] <ARC0112358> My RDP client keeps getting disconnected - can someone help me?
[17:08] <michae1> canthus13: sorry about the vacant stare, was tending to prep'ing last ears expenses for accountant to do taxes.
[17:09] <michae1> canthus13: do I go to samba.org and download latest for install on top of desktop kernel?
[17:12] <canthus13> michae1: Nah. It's in the repositories.
[17:12] <canthus13> Just install it from the software center.
[17:13] <canthus13> Might also install gadmin-samba as well to allow you to administer it.
[17:13] <canthus13> Oh, and I think this is the information you're interested in:  http://elibrary.fultus.com/technical/topic/com.fultus.redhat.elinux4/manuals/rhel-rg-en-4/s1-samba-network-browsing.html
[17:56] <michae1> canthus13: feeling a little on the on slope here, but when you say software center...
[17:57] <michae1> !!! replace the 2nd on with up !!! bad typo.
[20:27] <michae1> bodhi_zazen: wondering if you might have a moment to continue the conversation from last night?
[20:39] <bodhi_zazen> michae1: what you need ?
[20:50] <michae1> I know you said to just install the server kernel with the webmin interface as I'm not so fluent in command line. As far as setting the rest of the server up, that's pretty much straight forward from there on in, yes?
[20:58] <anditosan> I installed ubuntu on an msi x600 and everything works except the integrated microphone. It does not record. Ubuntu doesn't seem to be able to see it. What can i do?
[22:14] <bodhi_zazen> michae1: yes
[22:14] <bodhi_zazen> sorry for the delay
[22:14] <bodhi_zazen> ping me if you need
[22:14] <bodhi_zazen> You do not need the server kernel
[22:14] <bodhi_zazen> the server kernel is optimized for servers
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> so, it it is a dedicated server, install the server edition of Ubuntu
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> then install webmin
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> michae1: http://www.webxpert.ro/andrei/2009/10/29/install-webmin-on-ubuntu-server-or-desktop-9-10-karmic-koala/
[22:49] <DiGiGoth> i want to write an alias that runs a few commands, but i want it to ask me if to run the last command, how ? :)
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> DiGiGoth: what ?
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> you run the last command with !!
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> or the up arrow key
[22:53] <bodhi_zazen> apt-get update
[22:53] <bodhi_zazen> sudo !!
[22:58] <DiGiGoth> not this :)...
[22:58] <DiGiGoth> i want the alias to do for example "ifconfig wlan0 down" and then to ask me if to do "ifconfig wlan0 up"
[23:03] <Phrea> could somebody explain why sometimes a GUI is called a GUI and why sometimes something is called a Window Manger?
[23:03] <Phrea> what is the difference between say Gnome/KDE and some of the other gui/window managers out there?
[23:04] <DarkwingDuck> GUI = Graphic User Interface  - It's deeper in core then the WM
[23:05] <Phrea> that I understand
[23:05] <Phrea> ...but how?
[23:05] <Phrea> both still use x.org...
[23:05] <Phrea> or xorg or whatever it's called
[23:06] <DarkwingDuck> There are more differences between KDE and GNOME then just the Window Managers
[23:06] <Phrea> where's the line between a GUI and a WM?
[23:06] <Phrea> I know both Gnome and KDE are GUI's
[23:06] <DarkwingDuck> Right.
[23:06] <Phrea> but xfce for instance is called a WM sometimes...
[23:06] <DarkwingDuck> the WMs are... It shouldn't be
[23:06] <Phrea> and enlightenment etc
[23:07] <DarkwingDuck> Those are also GUIs and not WMs
[23:07] <Phrea> oh ok, so what is a WM then?
[23:07] <Phrea> [I ask this purely out of curiosity]
[23:07] <Phrea> is Compiz considered a WM then?
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> Yes.
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> Here is a good read
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/xwtf.html
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> this will help explain
[23:08] <Phrea> ok
[23:08] <Phrea> thanks
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> your welcome
[23:09] <Phrea> I'm still trying to get to grips with the fact that I'll be running Linux on both my desktop boxes soon
[23:09] <DarkwingDuck> :) Good feeling isn't it?
[23:10] <Phrea> it's both a good feeling and very scary
[23:10] <DarkwingDuck> Just wait and you'll be alpha and beta testing
[23:10] <Phrea> I prob wont :)
[23:11] <Phrea> I'm just a user
[23:11] <DarkwingDuck> that's what I said.
[23:11] <Phrea> and I've been using Ubu for almost a year on my default box now
[23:11] <Phrea> but going over on both boxes still is scary :D
[23:12] <DarkwingDuck> :D I got it on my wifes lappy... that was fun for a while.
[23:12] <Phrea> I'll switch full time
[23:12] <Phrea> no going back
[23:13] <DarkwingDuck> That's what I did,
[23:13] <Phrea> I'm only halfway there
[23:13] <DarkwingDuck> and I have jumped through crazy hoops to keep it that way
[23:13] <Phrea> gheh
[23:13] <Phrea> I bet you have
[23:13] <Phrea> and I bet I will too
[23:14] <DarkwingDuck> Funny thing is I have not given anything up yet. I have bent the hell out of it though
[23:14] <Phrea> :)
[23:14] <Phrea> I wont give up either
[23:14] <Phrea> I HAVE to switch
[23:14] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[23:15] <Phrea> well, thanks for the read
[23:15] <Phrea> I've bookmarked it, will read it later this week
[23:33] <steelsteve> ok, erm, help?
[23:33] <steelsteve> I lost (on the panels) my battery and my volume menus
[23:33] <steelsteve> can't seem to find them under 'add to panel'
[23:34] <phillw> steelsteve: ##devil ?


[06:09] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:11] <braddr> good morning
[06:36] <fabbione> hey braddr
[06:37] <fabbione> i just found why it is not possible to make raid install
[06:37] <fabbione> frigging annoying bug
[06:40] <braddr> is there a category of bugs that _isnt_ annoying?
[06:41] <fabbione> yes the one that are not down a stack of 5 layers
[06:41] <braddr> matter of degrees at that point.
[06:41] <fabbione> see all starts from a debconf menu in the installer that does not show RAID as an option
[06:42] <fabbione> get to find the code that generate that menu and see if it is buggy
[06:42] <fabbione> of course it's ok
[06:42] <fabbione> that code talk to a daemon via a socket
[06:42] <fabbione> so you check the socket
[06:42] <fabbione> then the dameon
[06:42] <fabbione> to figure it talks to a library
[06:42] <fabbione> you check that library and you find out that it has arch specific code
[06:43] <fabbione> where for sparc doesn't even know that raid exists
[06:43] <braddr> raid is good for killing bugs though, so it's all ok in the end.
[06:43] <fabbione> eheh
[06:43] <braddr> now, to figure out how to detect the end of the stack under solaris.
[06:43] <fabbione> the worst part is to test the fix
[06:43] <fabbione> getting from booting to that point in the installer takes about 15 minutes
[01:18] <braddr>   4:13am  up 11:40,  1 user,  load average: 744.77, 440.92, 193.26
[01:19] <braddr> maybe a tad too much parallelism?
[01:20] <braddr> $ ps  | wc -l ==> 3587
[01:23] <fabbione> not really..
[01:24] <fabbione> make -j4096 on a kenrel build will pump it more :)
[01:24] <fabbione> anyway.. installation on raid works now
[01:24] <fabbione> assuming safe definitions of RAID
[01:24] <braddr> good deal
[01:25] <braddr> the box is nearly completely unresponsive right now
[01:25] <fabbione> time for food now
[01:25] <braddr> sleep.. its 4:30am
[01:28] <fabbione> night


[20:50] <thumper> babbageclunk: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7875
[20:50] <babbageclunk> thumper: https://github.com/juju/1.25-upgrade/pull/47


[16:30] <Wiz_KeeD> hey guys
[16:50] <Wiz_KeeD> anyone on?
[21:04] <Ven-2> hello
[21:05] <Ven-2> anybody can help me to publicate font on ubuntu?
[21:05] <Ven-2> https://github.com/texrg/Labiryntowy
[21:05] <Ven-2> this is freeware


[01:40] <mwhudson> can anyone explain to me why the second set of commands in https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1934775/comments/2 doesn't work?
[02:16] <TJ-> mwhudson: you'd need a recursive umount since you've got a 'stack' of mounts when calling umount in the 2nd scenario
[02:16] <mwhudson> TJ-: but i don't want to unmount a/b
[02:16] <mwhudson> i just want to undo the bind
[02:27] <TJ-> then you would do "mount --make-private --bind a c "
[04:29] <mwhudson> ah!
[04:41] <mwhudson> til umount got -R in xenial
[04:41] <mwhudson> TJ-: thanks, that was the hint i needed
[10:07] <seb128> doko, hey, any idea why i386 autopkgtests on impish are failing with '/usr/lib/gcc-cross/i686-linux-gnu/10/../../../../i686-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2: undefined reference to `_dl_catch_error_ptr@GLIBC_PRIVATE''
[12:00] <doko> seb128, not yet. might be related with the usage of the cross compiler
[20:51] <mwhudson> doko: did the rebuilds help or too early to tell?


[01:04] <tsimpson> !firewall ~= s/also exist/ and Guarddog (KDE Lucid and Maverick) also exist/
[01:04] <tsimpson> please don't forget LTS ;)
[01:05] <rww> It hasn't been updated since hardy, and I've never heard of anyone actually using it ;P
[01:08] <tsimpson> it's just a frontend for iptables, and it does what it's supposed to do
[01:08] <rww> convince the Windows converts that their non-existant open ports are safe? :(
[01:09] <rww> anyways.
[01:09] <tsimpson> one day, there will be a KDE frontend to ufw, it's planned
[01:09] <tsimpson> bug guarddog is still useful to do ICS and the like
[01:10] <tsimpson> *but
[01:10] <IdleOne> bugging the guarddog is a bad idea
[01:10] <IdleOne> just saying :)
[08:50] <jussi> there was a kcm module for ufw iirc...
[08:50]  * jussi looks
[08:51] <jussi> yes, here it is: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/UFW+KControl+Module?content=137789
[14:54] <fujisan> i was just banned from ubuntu-offtopic while doing nothing wrong :( by someone who just doesnt like me and happens to be an @dmin there, what can i do?
[14:55] <fujisan> i wasn't doing anything wrong
[14:55] <fujisan> ikonia why did you ban me?
[14:55] <fujisan> that's not in the spirit of ubuntu
[14:55] <ikonia> fujisan: you are a long term ban from the ubuntu channels, it's some how been removed - I'm putting it back
[14:55] <fujisan> not really
[14:55] <fujisan> i was not on the banlist
[14:56] <fujisan> i was on my best behaviour this is so unfair?
[14:56] <fujisan> people change you know
[14:56] <fujisan> i changed
[14:56] <fujisan> you stayed the same apparently
[14:56] <ikonia> fujisan: too many chances are gone, there are other channels for you to use
[14:57] <fujisan> ikonia i am going to dispute this ban
[14:57] <fujisan> i did nothing wrong
[14:57] <ikonia> nothing more to discuss on it,
[14:57] <fujisan> there was no ban
[14:57] <fujisan> on my nick
[14:57] <fujisan> you obviously abused your adminship
[14:57] <fujisan> in ubuntu-offtopic
[14:57] <ikonia> fujisan: there are many bans on your many nicks, it's been cleared down by mistake, I'm putting the ban back in place
[14:57] <fujisan> because you dont like me
[14:57] <fujisan> i get it but thats not fair
[14:57] <fujisan> ikonia you just assume that it was done by mistake
[14:58] <fujisan> i dispute the ban
[14:58] <fujisan> i did nothing wrong
[14:58] <ikonia> not going to discuss it any more
[14:58] <fujisan> ask anyone there
[14:58] <fujisan> well then i will find someone else
[14:58] <LjL> fujisan, by the way, #ubuntu-offtopic *is* a core channel (contrary to #Ubuntu-nl) so you may want to discuss this in #Ubuntu-ops
[14:58] <ikonia> thank you LjL
[14:58] <fujisan> ok ty LjL
[15:00] <niko> !members
[15:00] <niko> !member
[18:29] <kasztan_85> Hi, I accidentally removed the system accounts in the Accounts manager in ubuntu 11.04. After restarting the server does not start X. You can fix it somehow?
[18:29] <jpds> kasztan_85: Server support in #ubuntu-server, support in #ubuntu.
[18:30] <jpds> kasztan_85: And do not spam every channel in existance with the same question.


[11:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#1246 closed: store: plumbing for collaboration support <Created by psivaa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1246>
[13:02] <niemeyer> Hey hey
[13:17] <renat> Hi!
[13:18] <renat> Hi, niemeyer, may I have your help?
[13:18] <niemeyer> renat: Heya
[13:18] <niemeyer> renat: I can try :)
[13:18] <niemeyer> renat: What's up?
[13:18] <renat> I am using the udisks2 interface and I need to get a list of mount points, but AppArrmor denies my .DBus.Properties.Get request.
[13:19] <renat> [15832.880321] audit: type=1107 audit(1492434933.757:4918): pid=1064 uid=100 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 msg='apparmor="DENIED" operation="dbus_method_call"  bus="system" path="/org/freedesktop/UDisks2/block_devices/mmcblk0p2" interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="Get" name=":1.2971" mask="receive" pid=1476 label="snap.udisks2.udisksd" peer_pid=15502 peer_label="snap.screenly-client.netconfig"
[13:19] <renat>                 exe="/usr/bin/dbus-daemon" sauid=100 hostname=? addr=? terminal=?'
[13:19] <renat>
[13:20] <renat> As I can see from the `udisks2.go` - it's not enabled there. If I understand correctly - only PropertiesChanged member allowed, not Get.
[13:20] <renat> What I am doing wrong, and what is the correct way of doing it?
[13:21] <renat> And, 2nd question, is it possible to enable Introspect on that object? pydbus - the library we use, does introspection on every object request. Currently, I have to use dbus-python library to skip the introspection.
[13:23] <niemeyer> renat: Hmm
[13:23] <niemeyer> renat: Former sounds like a simple bug that should be fixed
[13:24] <niemeyer> renat: Latter requires some thinking and more details about which pieces of the stock dbus interfaces need to be opened up for that introspection to be accessible
[13:25] <niemeyer> renat: Can you open two independent topics in the forum about those issues?
[13:26] <renat> Sure, niemeyer, I will do it.
[13:26] <renat> Thanks for help.
[13:27] <niemeyer> renat: Thanks, this will ensure it gets the proper response
[13:27] <niemeyer> renat: Quite a few people are off today
[13:29] <mup> PR snapd#2749 closed: interfaces/default: allow mknod for regular files, pipes and sockets (LP: #1636540) <Created by jdstrand> <Closed by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2749>
[13:30] <mup> PR snapd#2969 closed: interfaces: mediate netlink sockets via seccomp <Created by jdstrand> <Closed by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2969>
[13:55] <mup> Bug #1683364 opened: Cannot get properties of an Udisks2.Filesystem object <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1683364>
[14:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#1256 closed: ant plugin: honour proxy configuration <Created by cjwatson> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1256>
[14:04] <mup> Bug #1683368 opened: Enable Introspection for UDisks2 objects <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1683368>
[14:17] <mikeb_> Is it known snapcraft behavior that post-stop-command: doesn't expand '$SNAP' like stop-command?  Instead, the post-stop-command is put verbatim into meta/snap.yaml, then I get a 'invalid' error when I try to install the snap.
[14:46] <Pharaoh_Atem> morning all
[15:26] <this_self> Hi guys! I have problem with installing any package from snap. I'm using ubuntu 16.04.2 with snap 2.22.6. Here is error output from console http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24400952/
[15:27] <zyga> looks network related
[15:28] <this_self> network is works as well
[15:29] <mup> Bug #1683389 opened: Modify shell prompt when inside a snap <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1683389>
[15:30] <zyga> can you try again?
[15:32] <this_self> I still have the same
[15:33] <this_self> Is I need to log in with `snap login ...` ?
[15:33] <zyga> no
[15:33] <this_self> because I try to use snap without logged in
[15:33] <zyga> it's not related or required
[15:33] <zyga> (I never log in)
[15:33] <zyga> you can ask a question on forum.snapcraft.io
[15:33] <zyga> as today is still easter you will have better luck than asking on IRC, I suspect
[15:33] <this_self> I tried the solution at link from mup, but nothing
[15:34] <this_self> right. Will write there right now
[15:34] <zyga> this_self: good luck
[15:35] <this_self> thanks
[15:36] <this_self> small question about theme of posting my bug
[15:36] <this_self> snapd or snap?
[15:36] <this_self> As I see in description `snap` thread in most about snap application. My problem is in snapd functionality, right?
[15:37] <cachio> niemeyer, hi, I have added the code to get the execution time for the tests in spread, but it include the ssh overhead, I was looking at the code to add the time calculation as part of the test script but I don't see a way to add it due to the script could exit before, do you think that approach is ok, or I should think something different?
[15:46] <niemeyer> cachio: Heya
[15:46] <niemeyer> cachio: As a first try, it'd be best to have something that looks nice code-wise, so we can more easily agree on it
[15:46] <niemeyer> cachio: We can always improve it later
[16:05] <mup> PR snapcraft#1258 opened: python-plugin: support pip list columns mode <Created by sdeancos> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1258>
[16:11] <cachio> niemeyer, well this implementation is really simple
[16:11] <niemeyer> cachio: So it's all good
[16:15] <cachio> niemeyer, it is just to consider that the current implementation is adding about 0.1 seconds to any time if the execution is against an external device
[16:17] <cachio> niemeyer, then if we compare allways againt the same kind of execution that delay doesn't matter
[16:20] <niemeyer> cachio: Yeah, sounds fine as a starter.. we can later add an "overhead" number of some kind
[16:22] <cachio> niemeyer, good
[18:27] <nacc> hrm, i have a build recipe that is failing to upload to the store on lp with '502 server error: proxy error' right now
[18:27] <nacc> is that expected?
[19:08] <mup> PR snapcraft#1259 opened: tests: use launchpad as the source of the compressed test snap <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1259>
[19:42] <kyrofa> noise][, nessita I'm having trouble installing any snap... keep getting connection reset by peer
[19:43] <kyrofa> Trying for the third time now
[19:47] <noise][> kyrofa: during the download? and what's your host's network setup/path to the CDN like?
[19:48] <kyrofa> noise][, yeah. Nothing special, lxc container on my laptop -> router -> ISP
[19:48] <noise][> we're eager to get more evidence on those as there's been little so far in conclusive repros and detailed network data
[19:49] <noise][> can you mtr it?
[19:49] <noise][> to the CDN host that is
[19:50] <kyrofa> noise][, haha, of course, it succeeded this time
[19:51] <noise][> still would be good to have the trace
[19:51] <noise][> if you can pastebin and attach to https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center-agent/+bug/1617765
[19:51] <mup> Bug #1617765: Connections reset when downloading snaps from CDN <Snapcraft:New> <Software Center Agent:New> <snapd (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1617765>
[20:08] <kyrofa> noise][, sure... what domain exactly?
[20:10] <noise][> ideally use the IP from the conn reset error
[20:10] <kyrofa> Oh duh
[20:10] <noise][> because otherwise you may hit a different PoP
[20:14] <mup> PR snapcraft#1260 opened: meta: version from git support <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1260>
[20:17] <mup> PR snapcraft#1259 closed: tests: use launchpad as the source of the compressed test snap <Created by elopio> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1259>
[20:36] <evilt0ne> hi
[20:36] <kyrofa> Hey there evilt0ne
[20:42] <evilt0ne> i am havin a litle trouble using snap
[20:42] <evilt0ne> https://nopaste.me/view/8a6fde6f
[20:42] <evilt0ne> I am trying to get an lxd openstack setup running
[20:43] <evilt0ne> i installed conjure-up via snap and it seems that packages do have its own pythonenvironment since all required dependencies that conjure-up is trying to import are importable as user
[20:44] <evilt0ne> has anyone a solution to that issue?
[20:46] <evilt0ne> sorry to bother you, but I've heared of snapd a few days ago and thought i'll try asking before spending lots of time researching snapd in depth
[20:47] <evilt0ne> kyrofa: do you have an idea how snapd is managing python environments?
[20:48] <kyrofa> evilt0ne, sorry, you were hidden behind a massive full-screen terminal :P
[20:49] <kyrofa> evilt0ne, snapd doesn't do anything special for python-- the snap needs to set that stuff up. stokachu is your go-to guy for conjure-up
[20:54] <kyrofa> evilt0ne, what OS are you on?
[20:54] <evilt0ne> ubuntu
[20:54] <kyrofa> Which version?
[20:54] <evilt0ne> 16.4
[20:55] <evilt0ne> i just wanted to try juju
[20:55] <kyrofa> evilt0ne, yeah that should be working, stokachu will need to advise
[20:56] <evilt0ne> big thx kyrofa
[20:56] <evilt0ne> stokachu: hi :-), could you offer a litle bit of your time?
[20:58] <kyrofa> evilt0ne, if he happens to not be around, consider making a forum post (forum.snapcraft.io)
[21:00] <evilt0ne> kyrofa: I'll think of it. but first I will install a irc client and rejoin
[21:00] <kyrofa> evilt0ne, you can try rocket as well: rocket.ubuntu.com/channel/snapcraft
[21:00] <kyrofa> (no client needed)
[21:01] <evilt0ne> I do like irssi ;-)
[21:01] <evilt0ne> at the moment this I am sitting on a test setup
[21:21] <stokachu> evilt0ne: whats wrong?
[21:22] <stokachu> evilt0ne: that pastebin is odd as the snap contains everything it needs including it's own python
[21:22] <evilt0ne> wow super fast premium support
[21:23] <stokachu> evilt0ne: do you have any custom virtual environments running?
[21:23] <stokachu> like with pyenv or anything
[21:23] <evilt0ne> stokachu: yes but I gett this error concering the include in line 6
[21:23] <evilt0ne> I am getting
[21:26] <evilt0ne> stokachu: can i provide you some mor information?
[21:26] <stokachu> evilt0ne: if you can fill out https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up/issues/new providing the information required in the issue template
[21:26] <stokachu> that would help
[21:27] <stokachu> im mostly interested in the versions you have installed of the various software
[21:29] <evilt0ne> what kind of information do you need? i'm new to snapd, is there a command that lists the installed dependencies or did you mean the system packages installed with apt?
[21:29] <stokachu> evilt0ne: if you go that link i explain it all in the template
[21:29] <stokachu> tells you everything we need
[21:30] <evilt0ne> thanks
[21:30] <evilt0ne> i will open a ticket tomorrw morning.
[21:30] <stokachu> evilt0ne: perfect thank you
[21:30] <evilt0ne> I know it is better to work this way. thanks for your time
[21:31] <stokachu> evilt0ne: im around all day tomorrow
[21:31] <evilt0ne> well then .. i am from germany... and i am about to go to bed. good night
[21:32] <stokachu> evilt0ne: ill be up early enough to help you out further
[21:33] <evilt0ne> stokachu: no stress, it is not urgent. i am just playing around al litle to see which distro is best for what i've palned.
[21:33] <evilt0ne> I think ai have to read more about snapd
[21:34] <evilt0ne> it is really the first time I've heared about it.


[08:05] <flocculant> knome: thanks :)
[17:12] <pleia2> knome: good question re: screenshots, probably marketing
[17:13] <knome> pleia2, oki, i'll push later today
[17:13] <knome> did some cleanup on my xubuntu files...
[17:17] <knome> pleia2, what about the html template we're using for mailman?
[17:17] <knome> pleia2, should i just push it to static. with the assets?
[17:18] <pleia2> yeah
[17:18] <knome> that's not exactly the "correct" place, but at least it would be discoverable..
[17:19]  * pleia2 nods
[17:19] <knome> are we ok with how the community wallpaper stuff is archived atm?
[17:20] <knome> i have the files for the 14.04 contest "nicely" here, do we want them like that or just get on with the wiki/wp stuff?
[17:21] <knome> (it's a relatively big bunch of stuff, so i'm inclined to bend to the "wiki/wp is ok" side)
[17:21] <pleia2> where is it?
[17:21] <knome> i have it locally
[17:21] <knome> but we have the 14.04 stuff in the ubuntu wiki
[17:21] <knome> and the 16.04 stuff in the dev server wp
[17:22] <pleia2> ah
[17:22] <knome> theoretically it should be quite easy to write a short export script for the wp site to get a nice output for the stuff
[17:22] <knome> if we need
[17:22] <pleia2> there are all the submissions?
[17:22] <knome> yes
[17:22] <pleia2> I see, I'm not sure
[17:23] <knome> aha, i'll keep them for now then
[17:23] <knome> also, i guess we'll want the linuxidentity mag articles in the marketing branch?
[17:23] <pleia2> yeah
[17:23] <knome> i have some "drafts"
[17:23] <knome> but they are like the final versions
[17:24] <knome> anyway, bbiab
[17:46] <knome> ok, wallpapers pushed --> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/xubuntu-marketing/current/files/head:/wallpapers/sources/
[17:46] <knome> have fun playing with them :P
[17:47] <knome> hmm, i need to update the logo directory
[17:48] <knome> oh, nopes
[17:49] <pleia2> :)
[17:49] <knome> what i really should do is the "middle one" and convert all existing stuff to that
[17:49] <knome> middle one being with whiskers that are between both versions in width
[17:49] <knome> then stop using the two different versions
[17:50] <knome> we can just do optimized versions for small sizes if needed
[17:50] <knome> (and we have)
[17:51] <knome> off to watch a movie
[17:51] <knome> will be back even later today
[17:51] <knome> o/
[17:52] <pleia2> yeah I never kept track of whisker widths ;)
[17:52] <pleia2> enjoy
[18:08] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r512 Remove the rounded corners (by Jonathan)
[18:08] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r511 Create gnome-shell.css... (by Jonathan)


[14:27] <charlie-tca> Good Morning
[14:45] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, Morning. :)
[14:46] <charlie-tca> Snowing here in Idaho today.
[14:46] <charlie-tca> Xfce 4.8pre1 is out!
[14:47] <cody-somerville> w00t
[14:47] <cody-somerville> Got snow on the ground here already
[14:47] <charlie-tca> \o/
[14:47] <charlie-tca> Like to look at the snow every couple of years. Not so much wanting it where I am.
[14:50] <charlie-tca> while we have people around - one word description of Xubuntu?
[14:50] <charlie-tca> classic? as in "The Xubuntu clasic desktop is ideal for your legacy or modern hardware."
[14:54] <TheSheep> sharp
[14:55] <cody-somerville> Not sure if we want to capitalize on that.
[14:55] <charlie-tca> on sharp?
[14:55] <cody-somerville> on being a "classic desktop".
[14:56] <charlie-tca> oh
[14:56] <cody-somerville> The desktop paradigm is shifting and for us to stay relevant we need to be aware of that trend and react appropriately.
[14:56] <charlie-tca> I agree. I would like to get away from being known as the classic or legacy desktop
[14:56] <charlie-tca> Widespread belief today is Xubuntu is for the old computers.
[14:57] <charlie-tca> (as opposed to new computers)
[14:57] <TheSheep> crisp?
[14:57] <TheSheep> or smooth?
[14:58] <charlie-tca> I like sharp, I think
[19:34] <charlie-tca> Tracking bugs in Xubuntu Natty will be done at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/BugWatchNatty


[02:05] <keffie_jayx> valorie: thanks for your great talk on UOW
[02:06] <keffie_jayx> just gave a talk on ubuntu open week in spanish based on your talk, it rocked people making the jump to Klight Kspeed
[07:09] <Quintasan> \o
[07:11] <DarkwingDuck> Eavning Quintasan
[07:11] <Quintasan> DarkwingDuck: well, it's past 8 o' clock here :D
[07:12] <DarkwingDuck> It's 11:11p here.
[07:12] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[07:13] <Quintasan> Hah, with the help of my roommate I managed to get up at 7 o' clock at eat a decent breakfast
[07:13] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[07:13] <DarkwingDuck> I remember those days at UDS-N
[07:13] <DarkwingDuck> Although, my Roomie was jussi so yeah, other then fighting about football we did good. (GO MAN U!)
[07:13] <Quintasan> Yesterday I almost overslept thanks to that damn chinese battery in my phone
[07:14] <Quintasan> It suddenly ran out of juice and didn't ring
[07:15] <DarkwingDuck> Daang.
[07:16] <Quintasan> Hmm, session begin in like 45 minutes
[07:16] <Quintasan> sessions
[07:16] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[07:17] <Quintasan> TOOO lazy
[07:17] <DarkwingDuck> I'm ready for another all nighter. :D
[07:17] <Quintasan> I was like "I WANT TO SLEEP MOAR"
[07:17] <Quintasan> dpm: ping
[07:19] <dpm> Quintasan, pong, but running to breakfast in a minute :)
[07:19] <Quintasan> dpm: cool
[07:19] <Quintasan> dpm: so, you're at UDS? let me know if you have a minute to spare
[07:19] <DarkwingDuck> Hey Riddell
[07:20] <Riddell> morning
[07:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: \o
[07:29] <c2tarun> is there any IRC channel for UDS?
[07:29] <Quintasan> c2tarun: Every session room at UDS has it's own channel
[07:29] <Quintasan> c2tarun: and general channel is #ubuntu-uds
[07:40] <valorie> c2tarun: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/status.xsl for streaming
[07:40] <valorie> hopefully it will work now
[07:40] <DarkwingDuck> I'm not holding my breath
[07:42] <valorie> I listened to a couple of the tracks which did record
[07:42] <valorie> but I also listened to an hour of silence
[07:42] <valorie> so.......
[07:42] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[07:42]  * valorie is glad you aren't holding your breathe
[07:42] <valorie> or you might become DarkBlueDuck
[07:43] <DarkwingDuck> I revamped my blog with a new URL and everything. :D
[07:43] <valorie> cool!
[07:43] <valorie> link?
[07:43] <DarkwingDuck> www.wonderly.com
[07:43] <valorie> NICE
[07:43] <DarkwingDuck> Now, I just need to start adding content.
[07:43] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[07:43] <DarkwingDuck> And I'll be golden.
[07:44] <valorie> so does darkwingduck.org point to that?
[07:45] <dpm> Quintasan, just ping me with your question any time, or if you are around, just grab me when you see me :)
[07:45] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[07:45] <valorie> good move
[07:45] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[07:45] <DarkwingDuck> I'm keeping darkwingduck.org around for a while
[07:46] <Quintasan> dpm: well, it's a little bit complicated + i don't want it to go public for now :P
[07:46] <DarkwingDuck> YES! Nothing like attending UDS with Monty Pythons the meaning of life in the background
[07:47] <Quintasan> Always look on the bright side of life~!
[08:43] <bambee> hey
[08:54] <shadeslayer> morning everyone ;)
[08:58] <shadeslayer> session in #ubuntu-uds-jokai right?
[08:59] <valorie> afaik
[08:59] <valorie> and the subject is right
[09:00] <shadeslayer> yeah
[09:12] <yofel> tazz: if you're there and can listen we're having an extended kubuntu packaging session in  #ubuntu-uds-jokai (and the icecast stream)
[09:12] <yofel> though they're talking about finnish candy right now :P
[09:12] <tazz> yofel: thats great!
[09:13] <tazz> yofel: anyway i can download that?
[09:14] <yofel> tazz: see the icecast stream in the channel topic
[09:14] <debfx> the candy? :P
[09:39] <udslogger> ScottK: ping
[09:40] <udslogger> ScottK: we need another packaging session
[09:40] <ScottK> OK.
[09:40] <udslogger> barely get through patch review
[09:40] <ScottK> What for?
[09:40] <ScottK> Ah.
[09:40] <udslogger> well
[09:40] <ScottK> Please make a spec and point me at it.
[09:40] <udslogger> oh
[09:40] <udslogger> ScottK: we could use the council session maybe
[09:41] <udslogger> or lets make a spec ... more time = good ^^
[09:48] <udslogger> ScottK: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-packaging-three
[10:15] <valorie> y'all didn't get through because you talked about candy for half the session
[10:16] <JontheEchidna> finnish candy!
[10:17] <ScottK> udslogger: Accepted.
[10:17] <valorie> exactly
[10:17] <valorie> I got none, so I can complain
[10:17] <valorie> :-)
[10:53] <valorie> too tired to stay up for any more sessions, although there are some interesting ones ahead
[10:54] <valorie> niters all
[11:15] <ScottK> udslogger and DarkwingDuck: Your sessions are scheduled now.
[11:15] <DarkwingDuck> thank you ScottK
[11:16] <DarkwingDuck> I'll do my best to lead again remotly
[11:16] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[11:16] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[11:16] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: Desktop Track?
[11:16] <ScottK> Yes
[11:18] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: Thank you kindly sir. :)
[11:47] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: looks like I'm not going to be able to ask any questions :(
[11:47] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: about what
[11:48] <JontheEchidna> debdelta, it will really need to be implemented in APT before QApt/Muon can use it
[11:48] <JontheEchidna> what we're discussing now is lower-level than apt
[11:48] <Quintasan> I noticed
[11:48] <Quintasan> Tell them that
[11:48] <JontheEchidna> there's a GSoC project for integrating debdelta in to libapt-pkg
[11:48] <Quintasan> Volunteer for it
[11:49] <JontheEchidna> I wanted to know what changes I'd have to make to QApt to support this, but it looks like it's not at this stage yet
[11:49] <JontheEchidna> like, will I have to use something different than pkgAcquire?
[11:50] <Quintasan> wut, it's only for upgrades
[11:50] <Quintasan> care about upgrade part, not for installing new pacakges :P
[11:54] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: pkgAcquire is the class for getting package archives, no matter if it is a new package or an upgrade
[11:55] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: where are ye?
[11:55] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: the debdelta talk in mikszath
[11:55] <udslogger> was it the boring?
[11:55] <udslogger> cause it sure sounds boring
[11:55] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: the debdelta talk in mikszath
[11:55] <DarkwingDuck> Hey udslogger
[11:56] <JontheEchidna> oops
[11:56] <JontheEchidna> dammit
[11:56] <udslogger> hello dearest DarkwingDuck
[11:56] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: a totally boring talk on how the hacky .sh script that accomplishes delta-ness currently works
[11:56] <DarkwingDuck> How is everything udslogger?
[11:56] <JontheEchidna> http://debdelta.debian.net/
[11:57] <JontheEchidna> wtf, connection fail
[11:57]  * DarkwingDuck ponders
[12:09] <yofel> jussi: poke, would getting #ubuntu+1 back by now sound reasonable? :P
[12:24] <DarkwingDuck> My desktop is feeling a bit wooden... http://imm.io/5y5G
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> !info accerciser
[15:49] <rbelem_> afiestas, ping
[16:06] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: are we going to have the defaults selection session now?
[16:06] <shadeslayer> in lehar ...
[16:08] <yofel> I wonder how they could break icecast in a way that give a 5 minute lag on the streams...
[16:09] <shadeslayer> heh:P
[16:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: anything is possible at UDS
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: yes
[16:13] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: our stream is down >.>
[16:13] <maco> ssssssssilenccccccce doctor!
[16:37] <vorian> ScottK: will there be a track for backports?
[16:37] <vorian> and hello :)
[16:37] <ScottK> vorian: Not a track, but we just had a session last hour.
[16:38] <vorian> drats
[16:50] <maco> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uswlqnfWshw/TchD3_oCifI/AAAAAAAAFPM/sYYSlBahg1g/s1600/staring+contest.jpg  <-- off-topic but i know there's lots of Whovians here
[17:29] <jussi> yofel: #ubuntu+1 is open again
[17:29] <yofel> thanks!
[17:29] <yofel> and I'm gone (battery empty)
[17:29] <Daskreech> hi jussi
[17:32] <jussi> hi Daskreech
[17:32] <Daskreech> \o/
[17:32] <Daskreech> How are you?
[17:53] <tazz> JontheEchidna: stop moving so much :p
[18:01] <shadeslayer> jte is displaced in space and time
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> the wifi connection is
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> gonna go eat
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: http://i.imgur.com/NcsJc.jpg