[05:37] <psusi> oskude, yea... the MPEG-2 format is free as in beer iirc... the physical media though is not... the manufacturers of the drives have to pay the dvd consortium to be able to make the drives
[05:37] <Swedish_Chef> oskude: what do you use to create standard dvds that can play in any dvd player?
[05:37] <ispiked> Annath: you can run a syntax check on the config. file.
[05:37] <ecobuntu> Sorry ubotu he's smaller than a breadbox
[05:37] <APACHE^_^> delete fstab, help me
[05:37] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, why one for each?  why not raid them and partition?
[05:38] <ispiked> Annath: it should say why it's failing when you start apache.
[05:38] <APACHE^_^> I delete fstab
[05:38] <lightbright> !hug ecobuntu
[05:38] <ubotu> lightbright: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[05:38] <smo> APACHE^_^, do you have /etc/mtab ?
[05:38] <Annath> ispiked, how do I do that? Sorry, but I'm a bit new to linux. =P
[05:38] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, kino
[05:38] <ecobuntu> why did you delete fstab?
[05:38] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: eh? two different operating systems, two different filesystems
[05:38] <Annath> Oh, and apache starts fine. PHP is the problem
[05:38] <ispiked> Annath: well, I've used apache on Windows only. the folks in #apache will be of more help.
[05:38] <Swedish_Chef> why and how would i raid them?
[05:38] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, yea... so put them on different partitions
[05:38] <lightbright> ecobuntu: I deleted my fstab too :)
[05:39] <smo> APACHE^_^, if you hav /etc/mtab, copy it to fstab.  it won't solve removable media, but it'll make sure your system is still bootable
[05:39] <ispiked> Annath: I can't remember if apache runs as a service or just as a process.
[05:39] <ecobuntu> why is everyone deleting their fstab!!!
[05:39] <Annath> ah, okay
[05:39] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, well in my case my motherboard supports hardware (fake)raid...
[05:39] <thrice`> lightbright, ugh, bad idea!
[05:39] <APACHE^_^> I Erase accidental the fstab
[05:39] <Swedish_Chef> ah, mine doesn't. also, i don't trust hardware raid
[05:39] <thrice`> write it again
[05:39] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, otherwise, you can use LVM in linux, and windows calls it "dynamic disks"
[05:39] <sethk> Annath, that's usually configuration
[05:39] <lightbright> thrice`: i was jk ;)
[05:39] <thrice`> =]
[05:39] <thespore> does anyone know how to convert xvid to kvcd, under ubuntu?
[05:39] <sethk> Annath, you have to change some things in the apache configs to enable php
[05:39] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: too much room for error...
[05:39] <lightbright> how do you 'accidently" erase fstab? :P
[05:39] <scorpix> is there wma to mp3 converter for linux?
[05:40] <oskude> only just someone came up with an idea, ONLY HE/IT has the rights to use it, and nobody else (how ever he/it came to the idea) is not anymore allowed to do tht, LOL
[05:40] <psusi> probably a pain to set up... but once going... it's nice having a disk that is twice as fast ;)
[05:40] <ecobuntu> Can fstab be regenerated?
[05:40] <smo> lightbright .. I actually did it plenty of times when I was still coming to grips with vim.  luckily we have backups :)
[05:40] <intelikey> ecobuntu: you can write a new one.
[05:40] <APACHE^_^> I will recover the file fstab originally, erase(smear) it accidental
[05:40] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: i have a 2.4TB fileserver with a blistering fast raid5 setup :D
[05:40] <psusi> fstab isn't that complex... you should be able to make a new one by hand if you know how your drives are configured
[05:40] <ecobuntu> smo: sounds like you should use gedit :)
[05:41] <Swedish_Chef> bimberi: i love you
[05:41] <Swedish_Chef> just thought you should know
[05:41] <lightbright> smo:  ;)
[05:41] <smo> ecobuntu, I get to most our machines across a 128kbit link .. I'll stick with ssh/vim/etc
[05:41] <Swedish_Chef> no more grouping! :D
[05:41] <bimberi> Swedish_Chef: aw, shucks :P
[05:41] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, I have a friend who has been asking me for an affordable way to build a setup like that... got some hardware specs I can take a look at?
[05:41] <APACHE^_^> Since I recover the original fstab
[05:41] <intelikey> smo: vim generates a backup by default,  some editors do not.
[05:41] <ecobuntu> what does druels means?
[05:41] <ecobuntu> is that similar to drools?
[05:42] <oskude> :)
[05:42] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: i bought a dell poweredge on their small business website. they have AWESOME deals
[05:42] <Aurora> If i have a set of images, lets say, scanned a4 pages, how would i combine them in to a pdf in ubuntu/gnome?
[05:42] <psusi> probably... I used to be a very bad speller as a child...  :P
[05:42] <APACHE^_^> ?
[05:42] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, ahhh... that's still running a few grand at least though right?
[05:42] <ecobuntu> APACHE: you recovered the original?
[05:42] <Swedish_Chef> the poweredge i have was like $600, with a dual-xeon capable mobo (came with 1 2.8ghz xeon)
[05:42] <APACHE^_^> yes ecobuntu
[05:42] <ecobuntu> good!
[05:42] <Swedish_Chef> builtin 512MB of ram, but i added 1.5GB more
[05:43] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, yea... but that's not with the raid right?
[05:43] <Swedish_Chef> i bought one of those internal hdd racks
[05:43] <ecobuntu> APACHE: is your problem fixed?
[05:43] <Swedish_Chef> right, i had to buy the hdds and everything else myself
[05:43] <psusi> I'm specifically interested in the raid
[05:43] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, 2GB RAM ? OMG :)
[05:43] <Swedish_Chef> and dual 2.8ghz xeons
[05:43] <psusi> what kind of disks and raid configuration?
[05:43] <Swedish_Chef> the second xeon was free for me, so it's cheaper for me than you
[05:43] <psusi> what the hell does a file server need that kind of cpu for? ;)
[05:43] <intelikey> ecobuntu: origenal may mean pre-install fstab.    /etc/fstab.origenal     not of much use.
[05:44] <ecobuntu> oh
[05:44] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: mythtv, encoding video
[05:44] <APACHE^_^> ecobuntu, Since I solve this problem?
[05:44] <Swedish_Chef> penis bragging rights
[05:44] <Swedish_Chef> i think it has a bunch of 400GB drives
[05:44] <ogami1972> you people and yer virtual peni
[05:44] <Swedish_Chef> ogami1972: leave me alone
[05:44] <Swedish_Chef> it's all i have :(
[05:44] <oskude> lol
[05:44] <ecobuntu> APACHE: i don't know if you solved your problem.
[05:44] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, ahhh... yes... that's one big epeen
[05:45] <Swedish_Chef> i think total cost was around $2k
[05:45] <smo> and here I am living in 60Mb ram on a 2Gb disk
[05:45] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, scsi and hardware raid controller?
[05:45] <Swedish_Chef> software raid
[05:45] <Swedish_Chef> sata
[05:45] <Ron_o> smo, I'm not too far behind ya.
[05:45] <Swedish_Chef> problem with hardware raid is that it's generally slower, and i'd have to get the exact same controller
[05:45] <oskude> smo, but its enough, isnt it ?
[05:45] <Ron_o> I cannabalized a few machines to get what I have now.
[05:45] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, ohh... hrm.... that's about like what my friend is looking for.. a cheap sata raid setup
[05:46] <APACHE^_^> Erase(Smear) the file fstab, since I recover it?
[05:46] <Ron_o> and I might have to give back to a few. :/
[05:46] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, don't you mean software raid is generally slower? ( slightly )
[05:46] <Corrupter> where can i get mp3 codec from?
[05:46] <Swedish_Chef> not really
[05:46] <Swedish_Chef> it's been faster in all cases i've used it
[05:46] <oskude> !mp3
[05:46] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, to enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:46] <smo> oskude, all I use this host for is so I always have a sane toolchain to shell into no matter who's desktop I end up in front of.  so between that and serving imap, it's plenty
[05:46] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, that's strange
[05:46] <oskude> smo, :)
[05:47] <ecobuntu> APACHE: hablo poco espanol
[05:47] <ecobuntu> APACHE: i just went into that room to see if you were there
[05:47] <Swedish_Chef> my nonscientific guess is that linux is smarter when it comes to dealing with data than the card
[05:47] <ogami1972> corrupter- install and run the automatix script
[05:48] <APACHE^_^> ecobuntu, I will recovery fstab
[05:48] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, is your card hardware opne ?
[05:48] <oskude> *open
[05:48] <Swedish_Chef> eh?
[05:48] <Corrupter> and where is automatix?
[05:48] <ecobuntu> OK
[05:48] <Swedish_Chef> i don't remember, to be honest
[05:48] <APACHE^_^> I speak little Spanish
[05:48] <Swedish_Chef> my love for tinkering with computers has decreased drastically over the years
[05:48] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, i mean before you blame the linux drivers, did the card makers give enough info for the developers...
[05:48] <ecobuntu> APACHE: yes
[05:48] <Swedish_Chef> so much so that i'm waiting to buy the new apple powerbooks next year :(
[05:49] <APACHE^_^> excuse me, I speak little English
[05:49] <Swedish_Chef> i didn't blame linux drivers
[05:49] <ogami1972> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563&highlight=automatix
[05:49] <smo> Swedish_Chef, ditto
[05:49] <Swedish_Chef> i have had the same experience in windows and linux
[05:49] <ecobuntu> APACHE: no i speak little spanish
[05:49] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, well then, a "bad" card :)
[05:49] <ecobuntu> APACHE: you speak spanish real well and you speak english better than i do spanish
[05:50] <APACHE^_^> ecobuntu, my problem is, I want to recover the file fstab
[05:50] <Swedish_Chef> i've been using linux since 1998, and i've tried many distros. redhat -> debian -> gentoo have been the main ones, and i've used the different bsds on my desktop for months at a time
[05:50] <APACHE^_^> original
[05:50] <Swedish_Chef> just a few weeks ago i installed ubuntu, and i'm in love
[05:50] <Swedish_Chef> but i want mac os x even more
[05:50] <ecobuntu> APACHE: ok...I think you'll need to rewrite it
[05:50] <APACHE^_^> ecobuntu, help me
[05:50] <oskude> btw. does ubuntu work well when installing on raid (i remember the hassle under debian3,0)
[05:50] <intelikey> APACHE^_^: do  'ls /etc/fs* '         any files ?     no?
[05:51] <smo> mtab should give him a good skeleton to work from.  it's the currently mounted partitions in fstab's format
[05:51] <APACHE^_^> root@ubuntu:/home/jeronimo# ls /etc/fs*
[05:51] <APACHE^_^> /etc/fstab  /etc/fstab~
[05:51] <MachineScrew> nomasteryoda: you here??
[05:51] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, I played with slackware back in 1996... ran debian for about 6-9 months in 2000, and installed ubuntu about 2 months ago...
[05:52] <psusi> other than that I kept going back to windows... but I'm in love with ubuntu now too ;)
[05:52] <ecobuntu> APACHE: here is what my fstab looks like http://pastebin.ca/29884
[05:52] <ecobuntu> APACHE: what's your fstab say?
[05:52] <intelikey> APACHE^_^:    do   'sudo cp /etc/fstab~ /etc/fstab '
[05:52] <Swedish_Chef> i used redhat for a year
[05:52] <Swedish_Chef> debian for several years
[05:52] <Swedish_Chef> gentoo for two years
[05:52] <oskude> psusi, because of the "automatic hardware recognition" ? :)
[05:52] <psusi> oskude, depends on the kind of raid... hardware fakeraid isn't well supported atm... took me a week or two of hacking around to get mine working
[05:53] <Swedish_Chef> linux has been my main desktop os for a year or two. before, it was 50/50 or 60/40 (in favor of linux)
[05:53] <Swedish_Chef> now it's 99/1
[05:53] <psusi> oskude, well, I am very impressed how almost everything just works out of the box, yes... but mostly.. I love that when shit breaks, I can fix it
[05:53] <Corrupter> anybody know where to get automatix from?
[05:53] <psusi> it might mean spending a day or two digging through the source code... but it's there for me when I need to
[05:53] <APACHE^_^> thank ecobuntu , very thank
[05:54] <Corrupter> anybody? automatix?
[05:54] <lightbright> Corrupter: whats automatix?
[05:54] <Corrupter> i have no idea
[05:54] <Corrupter> everybody just keeps telling me to download it
[05:54] <oskude> psusi, what i was after, i installed debian(3.0) on raid only once, and i had to do that in the install process.. it was a "hack" back then, and i just wondered if it better now (as seein "raid" as a option when partiioning during install)
[05:54] <lightbright> Corrupter: so why you want it? :P
[05:54] <Swedish_Chef> i have to say, ubuntu is boring
[05:54] <Swedish_Chef> compared to gentoo
[05:55] <Swedish_Chef> i could always busy myself fixing shit on gentoo
[05:55] <Swedish_Chef> or trying to figure out why something wouldn't compile
[05:55] <Aurora> hehe
[05:55] <lightbright> Corrupter: so if everyone told you to download a rootkithunter, would you do it? :)
[05:55] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, LOL :)
[05:55] <bimberi> Corrupter: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563 (ogami1972 posted it earlier)
[05:55] <Corrupter> ummm... ya
[05:55] <Corrupter> why wouldn't i?
[05:55] <Swedish_Chef> now i sit apt-get updating and upgrading every day
[05:55] <Aurora> Swedish_Chef, By that logic windows is awesome
[05:55] <Swedish_Chef> and still see 0 packages needing updates :(
[05:55] <intelikey> Swedish_Chef: so drop to console mode and get busy on ub :)
[05:55] <lightbright> Corrupter: I use one too, its great
[05:55] <Swedish_Chef> Aurora: not really. when windows breaks, it doesn't work
[05:56] <lightbright> Corrupter: http://www.rootkit.nl/articles/rootkit_hunter_faq.html
[05:56] <ecobuntu> Swedish_Chef: sounds like you need to run debian sid :)
[05:56] <Swedish_Chef> formatting and reinstalling is more painful then recompiling :/
[05:56] <Swedish_Chef> ecobuntu: i ran that for 3 years. fun fun, and more up to date than gentoo for a lot of things
[05:56] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, "upgrading" every day ? havent done it NEVER on my main hoary laptrop...
[05:56] <psusi> oskude, again, depends on what kind of raid you are talking about... hardware raid?  mdraid?  lvm raid?  hardware fakeraid?
[05:56] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: :P
[05:56] <Swedish_Chef> oskude: I NEED THE SHINY STUFF!!!
[05:56] <ecobuntu> Swedish_Chef: why switch from debian sid to ubuntu?
[05:56] <Swedish_Chef> ecobuntu: sid to gentoo to ubuntu
[05:56] <oskude> psusi, it was mdraid as i had to make it..
[05:56] <Swedish_Chef> because i don't have enough time anymore
[05:56] <Swedish_Chef> and i'm tired of tinkering for the most part
[05:56] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: Ubuntu is too stable maybe for you :)
[05:57] <intelikey> laptrop  ?  :)
[05:57] <Swedish_Chef> it really is.
[05:57] <ChokeD> So, I'm running a dual boot system and I installed grub over /dev/hda1 (my windows NTFS partition) and I feel like my NTFS partition is now corrupted.  Is there a way to get my files off of it (I'd copied most to an external drive, but not all)
[05:57] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, i know what you mean :)
[05:57] <ecobuntu> Swedish_Chef: run dapper
[05:57] <psusi> oskude, I think that mdraid is well supported
[05:57] <Corrupter> where can i get the mp3 codec from?
[05:57] <Swedish_Chef> ecobuntu: i thought about it, but i don't want to risk a broken system
[05:57] <oskude> psusi, nice to hear :)
[05:57] <ecobuntu> Swedish_Chef: i am running it as on a second partition
[05:57] <ecobuntu> Swedish_Chef: pretty stable so far
[05:58] <Swedish_Chef> ecobuntu: that's because dapper just started not too long ago :P
[05:58] <lightbright> ecobuntu: hehe yeah Debian SID would keep him happy ;)
[05:58] <intelikey> ChokeD: if you can mount it you can cp from it.
[05:58] <psusi> I'm running dapper... no problem so far
[05:58] <oskude> sid rulez :)
[05:58] <Swedish_Chef> didn't i just say i ran sid for 3 years!?
[05:58] <ecobuntu> Swedish_Chef: flight #1 cd is out
[05:58] <APACHE^_^> bytes my friends, thanks intelikey, ecobuntu, thanks
[05:58] <warter> would anyone have a piece of documentation that i can read on mounting a IDE NTFS drive into Ubuntu?
[05:58] <ecobuntu> already over a month into development...there are only 6 months between releases
[05:58] <smo> Corrupter, if you have universe enabled, try gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:58] <APACHE^_^> bye
[05:58] <Swedish_Chef> debian's kde and xorg fiasco really annoyed me
[05:59] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: why dont you try Puppy Linux :)  that will keep you busy ;)
[05:59] <psusi> oskude, now to get my hardware fakeraid going, I had to boot the livecd, install a package from the universe, use debootstrap to install a base system, build my own initrd, then apt-get everything else
[05:59] <intelikey> adios APACHE^_^
[05:59] <Swedish_Chef> i could do as a friend of mine does
[05:59] <ecobuntu> Puppy Linux?
[05:59] <psusi> and it took me about 2 weeks to figure all that out ;)
[05:59] <Swedish_Chef> she runs LFS on all her machines
[05:59] <Swedish_Chef> at home and work
[05:59] <warter> would anyone have a piece of documentation that i can read on mounting a IDE NTFS drive into Ubuntu?
[05:59] <Malaprop> What's the name of the package that embeds the media player into Firefox by default? I need to shoot it in the face, it crashes FF every time I visit a page with embedded media.
[05:59] <oskude> i changed from debian to ubuntu cause my audio chip was automaticly configured :)
[05:59] <Corrupter> anybody? mp3 codec?
[05:59] <Swedish_Chef> imagine LFS on over 50 computers, with one admin :D
[05:59] <ecobuntu> oh my there really is a puppy linux
[06:00] <lightbright> ecobuntu: yeah Puppy Linux is a very small linux distro
[06:00] <oskude> psusi, that sound like the good old linux :)
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> oh dear lord. i installed nvidia drivers via apt-get on ubuntu
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> pressed ctrl+Alt+backspace
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> AND IT WORKED!
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> my jaw dropped
[06:00] <Aurora> WOAH!
[06:00] <oskude> lol
[06:00] <smo> Swedish_Chef .. I tried that for a while.  very educational.   I know I can...
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> that when ubuntu did it with no problems, i almost creamed myself
[06:00] <psusi> when I finally did, it felt great...
[06:00] <lightbright> ecobuntu:  some guy from Australia wrote it
[06:00] <ecobuntu> lightbright: i see
[06:00] <oskude> psusi, :)
[06:00] <bimberi> Corrupter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:00] <psusi> ohh, and I forgot, I also had to get the lilo sources and patch them to get the system to boot
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> nvidia has always been rock-solid for me
[06:01] <Aurora> only thing that would really work better with real nividia drivers is the 3d screensavers, big whoop
[06:01] <ecobuntu> lightbright: it sounds like a canadian thing to write ;)
[06:01] <Swedish_Chef> now the ati radeon 9800 that i so recently gave away...
[06:01] <Swedish_Chef> never again will i purchase anything branded with ati
[06:01] <warter> would anyone have a piece of documentation that i can read on mounting a IDE NTFS drive into Ubuntu?
[06:01] <psusi> that was because I did not know how to use grub... allways used lilo before... finally edned up giving grub a try and it worked fine
[06:01] <lightbright> ecobuntu:  hehe ;)
[06:01] <Swedish_Chef> their windows drivers were terrible, and their linux drivers infinitely more so
[06:01] <ecobuntu> i hope i didn't just offend all the canadians in here
[06:01] <smo> Aurora, they're practically a must-have if you have dual-head.  their TwinView is so easy to get up
[06:01] <Swedish_Chef> doh
[06:01] <lightbright> ecobuntu:  lol
[06:02] <oskude> yeah, i had only nvidia before and didnt realisze how it worked "better" until i got a radeon card :)
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> i was pulling up the website for warter
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> :/
[06:02] <psusi> but that's only for 3d, which I don't care so much about right now... 2d works fine
[06:02] <Aurora> i don't, only one screen
[06:02] <ecobuntu> avian flu in BC, Canada
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: the drivers would crash my machine within days
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> even if it was sitting idle
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> so i just used the builtin X drivers
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> that meant no 3d in linux
[06:02] <psusi> that's what I'm using now
[06:02] <fft> hello!
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> go with nvidia, man
[06:02] <psusi> I don't see why the hell it is so frigging hard to write decent video drivers
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> i'm a born-again nvidia fan
[06:02] <oskude> btw, is 2d even accelerated on linux ? i have read somtehing on the forums...
[06:03] <Swedish_Chef> oskude: if you have the right drivers...
[06:03] <Swedish_Chef> a lot of the builtin drivers have it supported, it hink
[06:03] <psusi> all they have to do is take opengl commands from the X server ( or windows GDI ) and write to the hardware registers whatever is needed to tell it to execute that command
[06:03] <Swedish_Chef> i can play quake4 at ~50fps
[06:03] <lightbright> Does anyone here get that synchronizing click ubuntu.org Failed! at boot time and wants to fix it?
[06:03] <Swedish_Chef> 1024x768 high quality
[06:03] <lightbright> click = clock
[06:04] <OptiPlex> Swedish_Chef: is that any good by chance? quake4?
[06:04] <oskude> well, i didt some VERY small tests and "radeon" was using less CPU than "fglrx" with my radeon9200...
[06:04] <ecobuntu> !quake4
[06:04] <ubotu> I don't know, ecobuntu
[06:04] <fft> i just installed ubuntu on an imac. after logging in a the startup sound happens and then your left with just the mouse cursor and blank brownish desktop
[06:04] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: look good?
[06:04] <Swedish_Chef> i've only played single player and lan multiplayer so far
[06:04] <ChokeD> intelikey: I can't mount it, it tells me it's not an NTFS filesystem
[06:04] <Swedish_Chef> it looks very good
[06:04] <ChokeD> intelikey: I feel like I wrote over some critical filetable or something
[06:04] <OptiPlex> ooh
[06:04] <intelikey> lightbright: id you fix yours ?
[06:04] <ecobuntu> man puppylinux is funny
[06:04] <fft> opti, any idea whats going on?
[06:04] <lightbright> n0dl: hi noodles
[06:04] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: i've never had any hardware cause more instability than my radeon
[06:05] <ecobuntu> http://www.zen45800.zen.co.uk/puppy3/index.htm
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> ati is the sole reason why i don't boot into windows anymore
[06:05] <ecobuntu> i like likely location and known characteristics
[06:05] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, worked fine in windows ;)
[06:05] <n0dl> lightbright: hello... do i know you?
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: it would crash my machine at least once or twice a day
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> even if it was sitting idle!
[06:05] <smo> ChokeD: What does sudo file -s /dev/device say?
[06:05] <psusi> in windows or linux?
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: yes.
[06:05] <lightbright> intelikey: what?
[06:05] <psusi> I never had trouble in windows
[06:05] <dell500> does anyone know why gtkpod says that some songs don't work, yet they play fine either on xmms or some other music player?
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> well, linux would crash randomly once every few days
[06:05] <intelikey> ChokeD: you might be able to use the xp recovery cd and get it back but after you will need to boot the ub install cd and reinstall grub.
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> and i'm running an intel mobo
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> with no generic parts
[06:06] <OptiPlex> no idea fft. although ubuntu makes my screen orientation a little weird
[06:06] <psusi> I'm an AMD man
[06:06] <oskude> "xcompmgr -a" sounds nice but was like crashing whenever i used "video" programs...
 Does anyone here get that synchronizing click ubuntu.org Failed!
[06:06] <lightbright> n0dl: yes, hi noodles . its me, spagetti :)
[06:06] <NoUse> dell500 are they in mp3 format?
[06:06] <intelikey> lightbright: id you fix yours ?
[06:06] <psusi> AMD has been making better chips for a few years now
[06:06] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: i want an athlon64
[06:06] <lightbright> intelikey: did I what?
[06:06] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: i am an amd man at heart
[06:06] <Swedish_Chef> but as i haven't put together my own machine in years...
[06:06] <n0dl> lightbright: spagetti? sorry im not sure if  i remember you... what did you help me with..?
[06:06] <psusi> I'm running amd64 on an athlon 64 3200+
[06:06] <Swedish_Chef> i want the new powerbooks god damnit!
[06:06] <psusi> hrm... now that I think about it... this thing is over a year old now
[06:06] <lightbright> intelikey: yes I fixed it!  want the command?
[06:07] <intelikey> sure
[06:07] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, intel books ?
[06:07] <lightbright> n0dl: we spoke a few days ago, we were joking around about noodles. remember?
[06:07] <dell500> NoUse, does gtkpod read m3u files as well? if it does, then it's looking for the wrong files then...
[06:07] <ChokeD> smo: /dev/hda1: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x49, OEM-ID "NTFS    ", sectors/cluster 8, reserved sectors 0, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 240, hidden sectors 63, dos < 4.0 BootSector (0x80)
[06:07] <Aurora> i want a powerbook!
[06:07] <dell500> me too!
[06:07] <intelikey> lightbright: sure
[06:07] <Swedish_Chef> oskude: the 'power' in 'powerbook' never referred to powerpc
[06:07] <OptiPlex> i want a G3 powerbook lol
[06:07] <NoUse> dell500 I think it does
[06:07] <oskude> get one, they are cheap now :)
[06:07] <Jimbob_> Naw, LinuxPPC is not really as slick as a PC
[06:07] <Swedish_Chef> as they had that name with the motorola cpus :D
[06:07] <Jimbob_> or rather, x86
[06:07] <n0dl> lightbright: i think so... was it in this room or ubuntu forums?
[06:07] <NoUse> dell500 I just import files by directory, I don't use m3us that much
[06:07] <lightbright> intelikey: sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[06:07] <Swedish_Chef> alienware is running some very good deals on their laptops right now
[06:07] <mattsm> How do I re-configure Xorg from the command line in ubuntu?
[06:07] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, was that a joke ?
[06:08] <lightbright> intelikey: type that and you will never be bothered with that message again
[06:08] <Swedish_Chef> oskude: was what a joke?
[06:08] <Aurora> i dont care what cpu is in the powerbook i just want one
[06:08] <intelikey> yeah that will do it :)
[06:08] <ChokeD> intelikey: the XP recovery CD didn't like the filesystem
[06:08] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, Swedish_Chef oskude: the 'power' in 'powerbook' never referred to powerpc
[06:08] <lightbright> n0dl: it was here, but its ok, you said you were tired :)
[06:08] <Swedish_Chef> oskude: no, it isn't
[06:08] <dell500> NoUse, well i just added my mp3 dir, which is 38gb
[06:08] <lightbright> intelikey: yeah it fixd it for me
[06:08] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, ok, thnx for the info :)
[06:08] <intelikey> lightbright: i was just wondering what you did.   :)
[06:08] <n0dl> mattsm: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:08] <Swedish_Chef> correct me if i'm wrong, but there were powerbooks with the motorola cpus in them
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> a decade ago
[06:09] <n0dl> mattsm: or if your a vi guy
[06:09] <DiscoScotty> NIC Question concerning 3Com 10/100 Mini PCI Ethernet Adapter - worked on an earlier version of ubuntu but not on the new installation I tried today.  Any suggestions??
[06:09] <n0dl> mattsm: sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:09] <fft> whats the command to reconfigure x?
[06:09] <mattsm> n0dl, I was hoping for a "configure" program.
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> vim 4 lyfe!
[06:09] <lightbright> If anyone hates the: synchronizing clock ubuntu.org Failed!, then type:  sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[06:09] <n0dl> lightbright: oh yeah i remember
[06:09] <tsume> is there a howto with getting amarok, or most of the KDE based apps to work with the mp3 decoder?
[06:09] <mattsm> n0dl, the X -configure does not work.... =(
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> aha! update-rc.d!
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> that's what i was looking for.
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> thanks, lightbright
[06:09] <lightbright> n0dl: great :)
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> i forgot debian's equivalent to rc-update
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> hehe
[06:09] <n0dl> mattsm: sorry but you dont ahve a choice then... you must use vi or nano
[06:09] <OptiPlex> ee /etc/rc.conf.. i miss that command
[06:09] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: cool ;)
[06:09] <n0dl> mattsm: especially since your in command line
[06:10] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: you are welcome ;)
[06:10] <ChokeD> intelikey, smo: Mounting with -o errors=recover worked.  I guess it's time to copy off now.  Thanks
[06:10] <OptiPlex> n0dl: or 'aee' if you get uni/multiverse
[06:10] <OptiPlex> :]
[06:10] <n0dl> mattsm: i can help you out... what were you trying to do before before you messed up xorg?
[06:10] <mattsm> n0dl, is there a program to tweak the monitor settings from within X?
[06:10] <Swedish_Chef> so...
[06:10] <OptiPlex> mattsm: xvidtune
[06:10] <bimberi> mattsm: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:10] <n0dl> mattsm: well... what are you using in compliance with your x
[06:10] <mattsm> n0dl, I edited the xorg.conf with vi already... but my monitor is not on the screen correct
[06:10] <Swedish_Chef> anybody want to pony up some money for my new powerbook?
[06:11] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, sure :)
[06:11] <n0dl> mattsm: whats wrong with the screen?
[06:11] <DiscoScotty> Help please - NIC Question concerning 3Com 10/100 Mini PCI Ethernet Adapter - worked on an earlier version of ubuntu but not on the new installation I tried today.  Any suggestions??
[06:11] <mattsm> xvidtune... sounds intersting... its not centered correctly
[06:11] <Swedish_Chef> my ipod is too small for my mp3 collection
[06:11] <Swedish_Chef> that sucks
[06:11] <OptiPlex> mattsm: are you on ppc by chance? if so that happens to me too
[06:11] <oskude> yeah, ipod sucks ;)
[06:11] <OptiPlex> i have to run xvidtune when I logon
[06:11] <Swedish_Chef> i installed streamtuner and recorded a few streams starting a few days ago
[06:11] <Swedish_Chef> now i have 10GB of high-quality music
[06:11] <mattsm> OptiPlex, I'm on a dell laptop....
[06:12] <Swedish_Chef> i have less than 4 gigs free on my 60gb ipod... sigh.
[06:12] <lightbright> whats taking up 56gig?
[06:12] <OptiPlex> hm, that's weird mattsm. i use ubuntu on a g3 imac and my screen is like 1/4 inch off all the time, even at the terminal
[06:12] <n0dl> mattsm: what xclient are you using exactly (your gui)?
[06:12] <dell500> Swedish_Chef, what do you use for managing your music?
[06:13] <dell500> lol
[06:13] <Swedish_Chef> dell500: nautilus and/or konqueror
[06:13] <Swedish_Chef> :P
[06:13] <dell500> really?
[06:13] <Swedish_Chef> yeah
[06:13] <dell500> how does that work?
[06:13] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, and if youd have WLAN or or "mobily better" you wouldnt have to record the streams ;)
[06:13] <intelikey> DiscoScotty: modprobe the driver ?
[06:13] <Swedish_Chef> i just go to the dir of the album i want
[06:13] <mattsm> n0dl, I'm running GNOME
[06:13] <Swedish_Chef> or artist
[06:13] <Swedish_Chef> or i just scroll
[06:13] <mattsm> n0dl, I should have access to everything.... xvidtune seems a little tricky to use =)
[06:13] <dell500> wierd
[06:13] <OptiPlex> heh, that's the way my mp3 collection looks. /music/artist/
[06:13] <smo> Swedish_Chef, even on your ipod?
[06:14] <mattsm> OptiPlex, my screen is not offset in the terminal
[06:14] <EddieDaMan> hi all
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> smo: of course not
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> on my ipod i just look for the artist or album
[06:14] <n0dl> mattsm: ah i c
[06:14] <EddieDaMan> excuse me, but how do i get wpa-psk to work?
[06:14] <smo> Swedish_Chef=, I mean, getting files to and from the ipod
[06:14] <n0dl> mattsm: well i dont know i used to have the same problem
[06:14] <OptiPlex> heh, mine is but i think the ubuntu team is more interested in pc heh
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> with almost 11,500 songs, i don't search by song
[06:14] <dell500> Swedish_Chef, ya :)
[06:14] <EddieDaMan> for my wireless
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> smo: oh, gtkpod these days
[06:14] <n0dl> mattsm: your screen is off center no?
[06:14] <mattsm> n0dl, yes
[06:14] <dell500> oh ok
[06:14] <dell500>  lol
[06:14] <n0dl> mattsm: check your refresh rate
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> itunes requires windows, and i'm not a windows man
[06:14] <n0dl> mattsm: you may want to make it higher or lower
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> i like the concept of banshee
[06:14] <OptiPlex> heh, or osx :]
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> but it doesn't have automatic ipod integration
[06:15] <lightbright> bimberi: what I like about you is that you are very selective on what you comment on. Not a big fan of idle chatter, are you? :)
[06:15] <Swedish_Chef> OptiPlex: in time, my friend, in time :)
[06:15] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, i thought itunes requires OSX...
[06:15] <OptiPlex> heh
[06:15] <OptiPlex> the windows version of itunes is 1337
[06:15] <regeya_> itunes...there's a windows version
[06:15] <locomorto> amarok is 31337
[06:15] <oskude> lol
[06:15] <mattsm> n0dl, do you know the option in the xorg.conf file to chance the refresh rate?
[06:15] <OptiPlex> however rhythmbox is supposed to have ipod integration
[06:15] <EddieDaMan> can anyone help me setup my wpa-psk wireless?
[06:15] <Swedish_Chef> i used to love kde, but i got annoyed with the clutter
[06:15] <regeya_> if you want *good* itunes, you need os x
[06:15] <Swedish_Chef> so now i'm trying to stay all gnome
[06:15] <Aurora> amarok is hot, wish it wasn't qt based though
[06:16] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: yeah sounds good
[06:16] <smo> OptiPlex, it does for playback .. I'm not sure it'll actually manage the contents of the ipod tho
[06:16] <Swedish_Chef> does amarok support ipod?
[06:16] <ispiked> EddieDaMan: iirc #ipw2100 has a link to a tutorial on how to do that in its topic.
[06:16] <Aurora> yep
[06:16] <Aurora> amarok supports pods
[06:16] <oskude> itunes is just a fancy music organizing program, right ?
[06:16] <lightbright> Aurora: Amarok cover picture doesnt work for me all the time
[06:16] <bimberi> lightbright: i'm actually at work, i can be a bit more chatty after hours :)
[06:16] <n0dl> mattsm: well its been awhile since i used gnome but isnt there like some kind of gnome panel function that allows you to change your resolutions and stuff?
[06:16] <regeya_> gnome reduces clutter at the expense of flexibility.  it looks rather nice, though.
[06:16] <OptiPlex> lol, the 'lite' version of kde on freebsd is 1337z0r
[06:16] <EddieDaMan> thanks
[06:16] <lightbright> Aurora: work for you?
[06:16] <EddieDaMan> do i join that?
[06:16] <lightbright> bimberi:  hehe ;)
[06:16] <ispiked> oskude: it lets you download music, too.
[06:16] <EddieDaMan> i'm a noob
[06:16] <OptiPlex> n0dl, there is in the menu
[06:16] <oskude> ispiked, OMG :)
[06:16] <ispiked> EddieDaMan: /join #ipw2100
[06:17] <ispiked> EddieDaMan: or /topic #ipw2100
[06:17] <n0dl> OptiPlex: what was directions to it?
[06:17] <misguided> hi everyone...
[06:17] <OptiPlex> i heard high school kids in NYC, USA are getting mugged and shot over ipods
[06:17] <mattsm> n0dl, yes there is, but its only giving me one option... I wanted to try another one like you suggested
[06:17] <smo> oskude, think rhythmbox + store + + drm + vendor lockin + high polish
[06:17] <n0dl> mattsm: ok i know why
[06:17] <OptiPlex> oh, im not on my ubuntu box this second but gimme like 30 seconds n0dl
[06:17] <lightbright> Aurora: Amarok cover picture doesnt work for me all the time when I try to download pictures covers!  what about you?
[06:17] <NoUse> OptiPlex if they are dumb enough to wear the white earphones, sometimes
[06:17] <tsume> yay
[06:17] <kreatine> hey guys does the server install any x at all? even the base?
[06:17] <n0dl> mattsm: try putting your res to the smallest possible (like 640x480) or whatever it is
[06:17] <tsume> amarok works, I just needed the gstreamer plugins :)
[06:17] <oskude> smo, yeah, thought something like that :) (but watch out for the scrathes;)
[06:18] <lightbright> Ophiocus: thats horrible :(
[06:18] <OptiPlex> gnomemenu, system, preferences, screen resolution
[06:18] <OptiPlex> however mine wont change on 5.04 ppc
[06:18] <intelikey> kreatine: no
[06:18] <Aurora> lightbright, what do you mean "download"? you mean off the internet? thats not an amarok bug thats an amazon search engine screwup
[06:18] <kreatine> ok good, thanks
[06:18] <locomorto> OptiPlex: 5.10 is out
[06:18] <OptiPlex> heh, CDs are on the way locomorto :]
[06:18] <kreatine> oh and once its done whats the best way to install packages?
[06:18] <kreatine> i mean whats the package manager of choice?
[06:18] <oskude> btw. wheres ubuntu 5.08 ?
[06:19] <lightbright> OptiPlex: thats horrible :(
[06:19] <locomorto> oskude: lol
[06:19] <Corrupter> ok, seriously, where can i get the mp3 codec from?
[06:19] <n0dl> mattsm: did you change it to the smallest setting?
[06:19] <intelikey> kreatine: man apt-get
[06:19] <lightbright> Aurora: ah ok
[06:19] <oskude> locomorto, :)
[06:19] <kreatine> ok
[06:19] <locomorto> !tell corrupter about mp3
[06:19] <Swedish_Chef> whee
[06:19] <Swedish_Chef> installing amarok
[06:19] <Swedish_Chef> and a ton of kde deps
[06:19] <OptiPlex> heh whats horrible lightbright? :]
[06:19] <smo> oskude: the numbering is year.month .. so releasing every 6 months takes you from 4, to 10 .. no 8 :)
[06:19] <n0dl> eep KDE!
[06:19] <lightbright> Aurora: but they download, just cant save them
[06:19] <oskude> smo, yup.
[06:19] <locomorto> Swedish Chef: its not too bad, come on
[06:19] <misguided> brand new machine, trying to boot badger live CD.  stalled some message related to ohci about "Unlink after no-IRQ?", so I used 'noapic nolapic' as boot parameters, and that worked enough to get all the way through the setup and now it stalls Starting Hotplug System :(
[06:19] <lightbright> OptiPlex i heard high school kids in NYC, USA are getting mugged and shot over ipods  <-- thats horrible
[06:19] <n0dl> so much ram taken away! so much RAM!
[06:19] <Corrupter> ... does ANYBODY know????????
[06:19] <mattsm> n0dl, I can not change it, there is only one choice
[06:20] <Swedish_Chef> locomorto: not complaining. though i did tell it to install some extra kde "deps" :D
[06:20] <intelikey> kreatine: there is a cli menu driven frontend 'aptitude'    but i don't like it.
[06:20] <kreatine> lightbright i doubt they are getting shot :)
[06:20] <locomorto> !mp3
[06:20] <ubotu> well, mp3 is to enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:20] <OptiPlex> lightbright: IRL, that is soooo ghetto
[06:20] <n0dl> mattsm: hmmm i think your other videomodes are disabled
[06:20] <lightbright> Aurora: if I need to define search, then they wont save
[06:20] <Aurora> lightbright, Thats because amarok is LEGAL to use, they designed the software to abide by amazon's terms of service
[06:20] <Swedish_Chef> n0dl: i know, right? i only have 1.5GB of ram :/
[06:20] <oskude> Corrupter, have you read this ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:20] <OptiPlex> for GNOME, you need to do 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad' for mp3 support
[06:20] <n0dl> Swedish_Chef: why dont you use XFCE?
[06:20] <OptiPlex> ...for rhythmbox and totem that is
[06:20] <n0dl> its just as pretty
[06:20] <n0dl> mattsm: are you in command line?
[06:20] <Swedish_Chef> because ubuntu lubs gnome
[06:20] <Swedish_Chef> and i don't wish to anger the ubuntu gods
[06:20] <Corrupter> oskude yes
[06:20] <Swedish_Chef> they might smite me
[06:21] <Corrupter> oskude i haven't found it anywhere
[06:21] <n0dl> mattsm: i think i know why you only have one option
[06:21] <regeya_> bah.
[06:21] <Swedish_Chef> and force me to use windows me :(
[06:21] <Aurora> lightbright, they should save for about 60 days then automatically delete
[06:21] <n0dl> mattsm: only one video mode is actvated for you
[06:21] <Razor-X> Swedish_Chef: ahhhh!!! evil!!!
[06:21] <n0dl> i wish i could use openbox again
[06:21] <misguided> can anyone point me in the right direction for a next step regarding some sort of basic hardware incompatibility as per above?
[06:21] <Swedish_Chef> kde is so much prettier than gnome
[06:21] <Swedish_Chef> it makes me want to install kubuntu-desktop
[06:22] <n0dl> xfce is prettier than gnome and more effcient than kubuntu
[06:22] <mattsm> n0dl, how would I change that?
[06:22] <Razor-X> Swedish_Chef: no need to get into that here :)
[06:22] <regeya_> Swedish_Chef: kde on ubuntu is one of the best of any on any linux distribution.
[06:22] <OptiPlex> anyone ever use kde-lite ?
[06:22] <n0dl> mattsm: well how did you install ubuntu base or normal?
[06:22] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: there's a kde-lite?
[06:22] <oskude> Corrupter, scnr http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/index.html :)
[06:22] <kreatine> has anyone tried running a power supply (200w) without a fan? i want this darn thing to be as quiet as possible and ripped the fan out, wonder if it will hold :)
[06:22] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: it would've sounded appetizing before I decided to switch to ratpoison... hmmm...
[06:22] <wooly> what the easiest way to get a belkin wifi card working on ubuntu?
[06:22] <OptiPlex> i dunno about on ubuntu, but there is on bsd heh
[06:22] <regeya_> Swedish_Chef: if anyone tries to convince you that "ubuntu" isn't a kde distribution, it's all lies ;-)
[06:22] <OptiPlex> and it fuxxing PWNS
[06:22] <Swedish_Chef> regeya_: no worries, i've used kubuntu quite a bit :)
[06:22] <mattsm> ubuntu normal
[06:22] <intelikey> kreatine: ub is based on debian,  is uses most of the same system tools.    dpkg is the package manager and apt is a frontend for dpkg.      aptatude and synaptic are cli/gui menu driven frontends respectivly
[06:23] <regeya_> kde-lite, eh?
[06:23] <intelikey> kreatine: probably not.
[06:23] <OptiPlex> kreatine: my mac doesnt have a cpu fan lol
[06:23] <n0dl> mattsm: ok... do you know how to boot into safe mode?
[06:23] <n0dl> mattsm: and do you know how to use irssi and command line?
[06:23] <kreatine> wll its been running for 24hours without a fan on either cpu or ps
[06:23] <OptiPlex> kde-lite is kewl, it keeps the install CD's down to 1 lol
[06:23] <smo> kreatine .. I imagine that varies from model to model.  I've done the same to a video card and survived however.  my best advice is to keep a close eye on it for a good while
[06:23] <oskude> OptiPlex, yeah, thats one of the reasons i like mactops :)
[06:23] <kreatine> i wonder if it will keep going or send me crying :)
[06:23] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: you can do that without kde-lite, i'm pretty sure
[06:23] <n0dl> mattsm: basically are you familiar with booting into the shell and use it good?
[06:23] <intelikey> kreatine: if you let the smoke out of it, it will never work right again.    :)
[06:24] <smo> kreatine: turn it off when it smells funny :)
[06:24] <kreatine> nene :)
[06:24] <misguided> Can I disable hotplug with a live cd??
[06:24] <OptiPlex> heh, probably but fbsd comes with gnome too, i may have to h4x that heh
[06:24] <mattsm> n0dl, yea
[06:24] <fft> so if i messed up x how can i boot into a terminal to reconfigure? right now its going to blank black screen.
[06:24] <Swedish_Chef> oh
[06:24] <n0dl> mattsm: ok well maybe you could do this in a terminal
[06:24] <OptiPlex> fft: CTRL+ALT+F1
[06:24] <smo> I never did figure out how they fit all that magic blue smoke into such tiny black boxes
[06:24] <Swedish_Chef> when is openoffice going to be updated to the latest 2.0 release?
[06:24] <Swedish_Chef> i don't like using 1.9
[06:24] <n0dl> mattsm: ok try opening a terminal
[06:24] <Swedish_Chef> makes me feel old
[06:24] <mattsm> n0dl, ok
[06:25] <OptiPlex> and ALT+F7 to go back to X if its up
[06:25] <kreatine> i wonder how i'll explain this to the firecrew if things go wrong :) well the building burned down but it was quiet...lol
[06:25] <intelikey> fft: if you break x you use the console.
[06:25] <fft> thanks!!!
[06:25] <OptiPlex> lol@kreatine
[06:25] <drummer87> hey all, quick question.. i want to install dapper on a second hard drive and mount my breezy /home dir, but it's on a partition that holds the whole of breezy (/). How can I just mount the /home dir in the dapper install?
[06:25] <OptiPlex> did it work fft?
[06:25] <n0dl> alright i want you to try the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:26] <n0dl> then a blue screen should come up
[06:26] <oskude> kreatine, LMAOF
[06:26] <McScruff> hi, im trying to compile an image for a tv box and getting an error
[06:26] <n0dl> mattsm: if this doesnt work then i think i have another solution... but it may be more abrasive...
[06:26] <OptiPlex> my mac is the ultimate jukebox lol
[06:26] <McScruff> configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub
[06:26] <mattsm> n0dl, ahhhh this is what I am looking for =)
[06:26] <kreatine> :0 yay install is finished, i'll see you guys later...hopefully without any burns :)
[06:26] <n0dl> mattsm: did it work?
[06:26] <smo> drummer, it should be doable if you're willing to pull your sleeves up.  especially if you read up on the pivot functions in initrd.  I'm not sure there's an easy way, however
[06:26] <ajmitch_> drummer87: mount the partition, and bind-mount the directory
[06:27] <intelikey> kreatine: na    if the ps gets to hot it will just blow the fuse.       'after the scr's burn closed'
[06:27] <dell500> does anyone know if gtkpod will reset to factory defaults? like format the ipod and put everythign back on?
[06:27] <OptiPlex> kreatine: in case of fire, RUNNN!
[06:27] <fft> how do i determine my video cards bus identifier with lspci?
[06:27] <drummer87> thanks
[06:27] <n0dl> mattsm: once you reconfigure it restart x
[06:27] <smo> fft, run it, look for the line that looks most likely, and look for a a number that looks like 00,010 or similar
[06:28] <h> how do I change the permission of /dev/nvram and make it permanent? The permission is reset on every reboot.
[06:28] <n0dl> mattsm: better yet restart the computer
[06:28] <OptiPlex> mattsm: kill -9 -1
[06:28] <intelikey> n0dl: no.
[06:28] <OptiPlex> that should pwn X and restart
[06:28] <OptiPlex> even though it crashes SuSE lol
[06:28] <n0dl> intelikey: wha?
[06:28] <fft> smo, theres lots of numbers
[06:28] <intelikey> this is not micro-restart.  this is linux.
[06:29] <n0dl> lol
[06:29] <n0dl> ok im sorry
[06:29] <n0dl> well you could just ctrl-alt-backspace
[06:29] <n0dl> then type startx
[06:29] <Sedge> !printer sharing
[06:29] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Sedge
[06:29] <OptiPlex> microsuck confuses me. press CTRL+ALT+DEL to CONTINUE? wtf
[06:29] <Sedge> !printershare
[06:29] <ubotu> Sedge: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:29] <h> how do I change the permission of /dev/nvram and make it permanent? The permission is reset on every reboot.
[06:29] <Sedge> !printer
[06:29] <ubotu> methinks printer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters or http://www.linuxprinting.org
[06:29] <n0dl> im surprised im giving advice and ive only been using linux for like 2 mo
[06:29] <Sedge> anyone know how to setup a printer share in ubuntu?
[06:30] <smo> h, you most likely want to read into /etc/udev/udev.rules
[06:30] <OptiPlex> heh n0dl: I was giving advice my first day in here, and I know jack about ubuntu heh
[06:30] <intelikey> n0dl: no need for startx     ctrl+alt+bs doesn't kill gdm it only resets the xserver.
[06:30] <Swedish_Chef> argh
[06:30] <Swedish_Chef> despite setting up cups and my printer many times
[06:30] <smo> fft, sorry I can't be much more specific than that, I'm working from memory .. I'm running ubuntu in a virtual machine, so there is no pci
[06:30] <fft> if 0000:10:0 is right before display controller, that must be my bus id? so it i would enter in 10?
[06:30] <Swedish_Chef> i cannot for the life of me get it working this time
[06:30] <DShepher1> n0dl: what intelikey said ^^^
[06:31] <Swedish_Chef> standard network printer (minolta magicolor 2300 dl)
[06:31] <Swedish_Chef> i'm connecting to it via jetdirect, as per the suggestion of linuxprinting
[06:31] <smo> fft, most likely 0:10:0 .. I'm sure the extra digits aren't there for the ride
[06:31] <Swedish_Chef> it should work, as it did in the past. but it doesn't. i've run cups in debug and debug2 modes, but i can't find any error
[06:31] <fft> ok thanks!
[06:32] <Swedish_Chef> and yes, i am using the foomatic drivers
[06:32] <smo> I never realised uml provides no pci .. made lspci fairly startling
[06:32] <dell500> is there a way to convert wav to mp3 in console?
[06:32] <intelikey> well DShepher1 and n0dl that does assume default setting,   i,e, gdm running.      kinda breaks my own rule about assuming default.....  sorry.
[06:32] <Swedish_Chef> dell500: lame
[06:32] <dell500> is that command?
[06:32] <Swedish_Chef> yep
[06:32] <Swedish_Chef> :P
[06:32] <dell500> sweet
[06:32] <dell500> what else does lame convert?
[06:32] <dell500> flac to mp3?
[06:33] <Swedish_Chef> everything
[06:33] <dell500> even flac and ogg?
[06:33] <Swedish_Chef> it's the main linux audio encoder, i believe
[06:33] <smo> just wav to mp2/mp3 as far as I know
[06:33] <dell500> to say apple lossless format?
[06:33] <Swedish_Chef> smo: i thought lame did everything...
[06:33] <Swedish_Chef> if it doesnt, mencoder does
[06:33] <lightbright> dell500: lame converst a cool person into a lame duck ;)
[06:33] <OptiPlex> heh, you have to use lame on osx or windoze too. trust me, i know
[06:33] <dell500> lol lightbright
[06:33] <lightbright> dell500: ;)
[06:34] <smo> Swedish_Chef, I hope not .. I've been piping flac files thru faad for far too long if it does
[06:34] <intelikey> ogg -vs- mp3    war ?
[06:34] <Swedish_Chef> apparently it doesn't
[06:34] <dell500> is there a way to do an entire directory?
[06:34] <Swedish_Chef> ogg is superior technically
[06:34] <Swedish_Chef> but mp3 is more convenient
[06:34] <n0dl> mattsm: once you finish doing that stuff you should try playing with your refresh rates
[06:34] <Swedish_Chef> as everything supports it
[06:34] <Razor-X> Swedish_Chef: yeah, only because it has wide support
[06:34] <Swedish_Chef> yeah
[06:35] <Swedish_Chef> if i could have rerips of my entire collection in ogg, and my ipod supported it
[06:35] <Swedish_Chef> i'd be in heaven
[06:35] <Razor-X> one friend of mine (an audiophile) said that OGGs at high bitrates don't sound as good as MP3s at high bitrates
[06:35] <Swedish_Chef> would cut down the size of my collection in half, at least
[06:35] <dell500> if ipod supported flac i would be in heaven
[06:35] <dell500> i have so much music in flac, it's insane
[06:35] <Swedish_Chef> if i was god i'd be in heaven
[06:35] <Razor-X> I have a lot of FLAC stuff
[06:35] <intelikey> ? install linux on the ipod  ?
[06:35] <Razor-X> although I hear APE isn't too bad
[06:35] <n0dl> if ipod was more effcient and bill gates were a hippy the world would be great
[06:36] <Swedish_Chef> if ipod had an fm tuner i'd be even happier
[06:36] <Swedish_Chef> and am
[06:36] <Ep|phany> anyone know how i can get unrar-nonfree i added repositories but it doesnt show up?
[06:36] <Swedish_Chef> for news and stuff
[06:36] <drummer87> ajmitch_, should i install dapper then make an init script to do"mount /dev/sda2 /breezy   mount --move /breezy/home /home"? or is there a better way?
[06:36] <slide> How do i install azureus? On ubuntuguide.com it tells me how to install j2re but i apparently dont have the correct apt-get source
[06:36] <smo> dell500, you can loop thru the shell, but beware you'll end up with no id3 tags at all like that
[06:36] <n0dl> ipoooeds
[06:36] <dell500> smo, that's what easytag is for :)
[06:37] <drummer87> and would it matter if dapper puts anything in its /home? ie. can i mount to a non-empty dir?
[06:37] <smo> for I in *wav ; do lame "$I" "${I%wav}.mp3" ; done
[06:37] <intelikey> !repos
[06:37] <ubotu> methinks repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[06:37] <dell500> smo, i have a whole system for my mp3s nowadays lol, i've been doing it for the past 3 weeks sorting and deleting
[06:37] <dell500> it's insnae
[06:37] <intelikey> slide:  ^
[06:37] <slide> ty
[06:37] <dell500> well 2 weeks
[06:37] <Ep|phany> anyone knwo the aptget thing for unrar non free?
[06:37] <mattsm> n0dl: hi, i got it working =)
[06:37] <mattsm> n0dl: thanks
[06:37] <Razor-X> I keep most of my music in FLAC or OGG
[06:37] <dell500> now all i need to do is get my flac files on my ipod :)
[06:37] <bimberi> Sedge: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP   ?
[06:37] <dell500> Razor-X, do you use an ipod?
[06:37] <smo> dell500, you might want to stick an echo in there the first time around, to make sure I didn't get # and % the wrong way around again
[06:37] <OptiPlex> heh, i wish i could batch convert all my mp3s to ogg
[06:38] <Razor-X> I can't tell whether OGG sounds bad at high bitrates, then again I don't have $300 headphones and am not an audiophile
[06:38] <Razor-X> dell500: nopers
[06:38] <OptiPlex> Razor-X: ogg's on floppies heh
[06:38] <Razor-X> dell500: I'll bet iPod Linux could solve the OGG/FLAC problem, though :)
[06:38] <dell500> Razor-X, not on a 5G Video
[06:38] <Swedish_Chef> 64kbps ogg is the same as 128kbps mp3
[06:38] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: :)
[06:38] <OptiPlex> so could toaster-unix :]
[06:38] <dell500> Swedish_Chef, do you use playlists, or no?
[06:38] <Razor-X> dell500: then build yourself one :)
[06:38] <Swedish_Chef> dell500: nein
[06:39] <Swedish_Chef> don't know why i never got into that
[06:39] <smo> Razor-X .. possibly not.  a lot of the decoding goes on in hardware, so codecs not supported by the hardware are a whole lot more cpu intensive
[06:39] <Swedish_Chef> i guess with over 70GB of music, it's a tad too time-consuming :P
[06:39] <Razor-X> I'll bet you can build an iPod equivalent for half the price, of course it wouldn't be as small or stylish looking
[06:39] <OptiPlex> :[
[06:39] <Razor-X> smo: true, but you can still play MP3 with a very small overhead
[06:39] <smo> cheapest mp3 player I've seen was $10 US minus media
[06:39] <polpak> .... ubuntu-offtopic ?
[06:39] <dell500> Swedish_Chef, i feel ya, i'm about to wipe my pod clean and just stick the files on it, and use the ipod's artist/album thing instead, much easier
[06:40] <Razor-X> OGG shouldn't be much more intensive, but there is a difference with FLAC
[06:40] <StDellis> what do you guys suggest. which is better GNome or KDE?
[06:40] <OptiPlex> smo: what was it a 32M?
[06:40] <dell500> flac is awesome :)
[06:40] <Swedish_Chef> StDellis: whatever you prefer
[06:40] <Swedish_Chef> use both
[06:40] <locomorto> StDellis: its amatter of personal preference
[06:40] <Swedish_Chef> and see which you like better
[06:40] <Razor-X> StDellis: my advice is to try both out
[06:40] <OptiPlex> MOTIF!
[06:40] <Swedish_Chef> AQUA!
[06:40] <smo> OptiPlex .. that was the minus media.  it had a little hole waiting for you to but the memory card separately
[06:40] <Razor-X> StDellis: and along with it, try out other WMs
[06:40] <StDellis> swedish_chef I have never used KDE is it easy to switch over to KDE and back again? or does it take alot of work
[06:40] <Razor-X> NeXT!
[06:40] <smo> *buy
[06:40] <OptiPlex> aqua is too slow :[
[06:40] <OptiPlex> mwm
[06:40] <dell500> I like Gnome, i used Kubuntu, but didn't like it.
[06:40] <Swedish_Chef> StDellis: easy as cake
[06:41] <OptiPlex> hm, that's kewl
[06:41] <StDellis> razor-x is it easy to switch back to Gnome if I want
[06:41] <dell500> StDellis, try out both, and see which one you like better
[06:41] <Swedish_Chef> StDellis: if running ubuntu with gnome, just type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:41] <Swedish_Chef> then you can switch without problem
[06:41] <Razor-X> I don't use a very standard WM, personally, it appeals to mea, and probably only about 100 others on the net
[06:41] <drummer87> StDellis, just "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and you choose when u log in
[06:41] <OptiPlex> ...if you have cable/dsl but everyone has that but me lol
[06:41] <Razor-X> StDellis: of course, and dozens of other WMs should be easy as well
[06:41] <Razor-X> *me
[06:41] <smo> StDellis: On the login screen, you'll see an option labelled session.  you can pick from whatever you have installed right there.  so changing to, from and back again isn't a problem
[06:41] <OptiPlex> motif owns
[06:42] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: :P
[06:42] <dell500> Coffee is so good.
[06:42] <StDellis> smo awesome thanks guys
[06:42] <OptiPlex> i destroyed kde on suse once, and had to use motif and it grew on me
[06:42] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: holy mother
[06:42] <dell500> what is motif?
[06:42] <Razor-X> don't even mention that, *ever(
[06:42] <Razor-X> **ever*
[06:42] <n0dl> holy crap ive only been using linux for a month?!
[06:42] <dell500> lol
[06:42] <n0dl> wow i thought ive been using it for longer than that
[06:43] <dell500> anyone here like YMSB?? :)
[06:43] <OptiPlex> the S word?
[06:43] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: but then, if you were happy with Motif, try out ratpoison :)
[06:43] <ajmitch_> drummer87: no need for a separate script, you can do it in /etc/fstab with the rest
[06:43] <Knowerrors> Can anybody recommend some good unofficial ubuntu repositories?
[06:43] <Razor-X> there's only one WM I know that's more minimalistic, and two I know that are as minimalistic
[06:43] <OptiPlex> heh
[06:43] <ajmitch_> drummer87: and I prefer mount --bind
[06:43] <Razor-X> (the more minimalistic one would have to be aewm)
[06:43] <ajmitch_> which I use to share directories with chroots :)
[06:43] <Razor-X> but, if you're like me and love GNU screen, then ratpoison becomes an awesome experience
[06:44] <Razor-X> and it comes in with a built-in ``boss key'' :)
[06:44] <OptiPlex> !
[06:44] <ubotu> OptiPlex: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:44] <StDellis> when it says these packages cannot be authenticated is it still ok to install them for KDE
[06:44] <OptiPlex> damn bot
[06:44] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: :)
[06:44] <OptiPlex> note to self: put a space before !
[06:44] <Razor-X> StDellis: I do, but then if my system f's up, I can probably solve it, so take the advice of other people :)
[06:44] <IguanaNed> can anyone here help out a noob tryin to install ubuntu?
[06:45] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: shoot
[06:45] <OptiPlex> im a noob, whatcha need?
[06:45] <StDellis> razor-x well I just did the sudo apt-get install kubuntu blah balh and it says these things cannot be authed
[06:45] <IguanaNed> just rant the installation.. told me to reboot. than I am left if a logon prompt
[06:45] <Razor-X> StDellis: kubuntu-desktop
[06:45] <StDellis> razor-x yes
[06:45] <kushboy> I know this isn't the place, but this is one of the only IRC channels I know. Does anything know of or know how I can find a good Windows XP tech support channel?
[06:45] <Razor-X> StDellis: if it were me, I'ld install inspite of the warning :P
[06:45] <Razor-X> kushboy: ..... #windows
[06:45] <Razor-X> if there's anyone there
[06:45] <StDellis> razor-x yea I'm gonna do it anyways
[06:45] <IguanaNed> on the online documentationit sadi it would continue the installation after reboot
[06:45] <n0dl> kushboy: you should google it
[06:46] <NoUse> kushboy its actually ##windows
[06:46] <Razor-X> oh, i'm sorry
[06:46] <kushboy> k
[06:46] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: it should, does it give you an error about X?
[06:46] <dell500> so no Yonder fans i guess :)
[06:46] <Razor-X> dell500: Yonder?
[06:47] <IguanaNed> Razor-X: doesnt do anything just gives me a log on prompt
[06:47] <IguanaNed> no gui
[06:47] <DShepherd> what's yonder
[06:47] <trigg3r> hey y'all
[06:47] <OptiPlex> ...the lunatic is on the grass
[06:47] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: can you login?
[06:47] <n0dl> IguanaNed: are you in command line?
[06:47] <IguanaNed> can log in with the account i created..
[06:47] <spasmodo> Hello everyone
[06:47] <Swedish_Chef> asdkfadskjf
[06:47] <IguanaNed> but there are not directories
[06:47] <Swedish_Chef> switched to kde
[06:47] <spasmodo> I have a wireless Q
[06:47] <trigg3r> can anyone help me with this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4821
[06:47] <Swedish_Chef> now where the hell is the screen resize applet...
[06:47] <n0dl> Iguananed: do you boot into the shell?
[06:48] <IguanaNed> n0dl: yep
[06:48] <OptiPlex> kontrol center :]
[06:48] <IguanaNed> not sure what the default root pwd is
[06:48] <clint-> hey all, when I put a data cd in, containing, mpeg, or mp3, it lags when it is pulling up all the data. any reason why that might be doing that?
[06:48] <spasmodo> wlan0 does not show up in ifconfig -a, ndiswapper reports driver and hardware installed
[06:48] <NoUse> !tell IguanaNed about root
[06:48] <n0dl> IguanaNed: you want kde right?
[06:49] <n0dl> IguanaNed: Did you do a base install or a regular install?
[06:49] <rohan> hi all
[06:49] <slide> 5.10 == breazy?
[06:49] <n0dl> slide: its beezy
[06:49] <n0dl> *breezy
[06:49] <rohan> how do i see all the apps in a particular repo ? (backports, in this case)
[06:49] <n0dl> IguanaNed: brb
[06:49] <mattsm> Does anyone know how to set a default sound card? I have two sound cards in my machine
[06:50] <slide> er yea
[06:50] <slide> I was like, beezy? wtf lol
[06:50] <spasmodo> any ideas ? -- wlan0 does not show up in ifconfig -a, ndiswapper reports driver and hardware installed
[06:50] <psusi> why the hell is it when composing an email in thunderbird, you hit enter and it SHOWS a blank line for proper spacing between paragraphs... but then when it sends the email, there is no blank line?
[06:51] <smo> almost sounds like it's composing as html but sending as text?
[06:51] <psusi> I think that may be what it is doing...
[06:51] <sethk> psusi, because the widget displaying the message inserts line feeds
[06:52] <sethk> psusi, but they aren't actually in the message
[06:52] <sethk> psusi, if you resize, the lines are readjusted
[06:52] <sethk> psusi, you can set a maximum length to send
[06:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know whether the maemo can run generic linux apps, if they are compiled for it?
[06:52] <psusi> sethk, well it should not do that... if it shows a line feed, there should be one...
[06:52] <sethk> psusi, I agree
[06:52] <sethk> psusi, but I'm not important  :)
[06:53] <psusi> well, it's about time for me to go pass out
[06:53] <Razor-X> holy wow
[06:53] <z3r0x> lol
[06:53] <trinidad> (ie, the ubuntu howto for upgrading hoary to breezy?
[06:53] <Razor-X> w00t, I'm the first after the netsplit to talk! :)
[06:53] <trinidad> anyone?
[06:53] <DShepherd> IguanaNed: type pwd.... what does that print
[06:53] <clint-> I am going submit my hardware information. that way ubuntu can help out more, I bet some people forget to do that..
[06:53] <choudesh> wow
[06:53] <choudesh> nice netsplit
[06:53] <z3r0x> how can I find out if ettercap is configured with ssl support?
[06:53] <psusi> Razor-X, I talked in the middle of it... heh
[06:53] <Mabus07> How do I use MSN messenger or some program to message MSN contacts, anyway, through the terminal?
[06:53] <DShepherd> what's netsplit
[06:54] <Madpilot> !tell trinidad about breezyupgrade
[06:54] <OptiPlex> me too heh
[06:54] <Razor-X> psusi: not on my end, you didn't :P
[06:54] <Razor-X> so I wonder
[06:54] <trigg3r> can anyone help me with a package uninstall issue? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4821
[06:54] <OptiPlex> heh
[06:54] <rohan> how do i see all the apps in a particular repo ? (backports, in this case)
[06:54] <psusi> Razor-X, I mean in the middle of the rejoin... half way through the join spams
[06:54] <Razor-X> did I split from the router, or did the rest of the servers split from us
[06:54] <rohan> OptiPlex: got mine three days back XD
[06:54] <Razor-X> psusi: not on my end you didn't :)
[06:54] <IguanaNed> pwd returns /home/iguana
[06:54] <OptiPlex> lucky :[
[06:54] <mattsm> Does anyone know how to set a default sound card on ubuntu?
[06:54] <psusi> Razor-X, yea... cause you were on the far side of the split ;)
[06:54] <IguanaNed> cd ..
[06:54] <OptiPlex> Iguana... thats because there aint nothing in home
[06:55] <Razor-X> psusi: I just got a ``psusi, I agree'' from someone after I talked
[06:55] <sethk> trigg3r, there is an incorrect dependency in something that you are installing
[06:55] <OptiPlex> cd /
[06:55] <sethk> trigg3r, a program that should be there, is not
[06:55] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: try ``cd /''
[06:55] <DShepherd> IguanaNed: type cd /
[06:55] <IguanaNed> ok my bad
[06:55] <clint-> I guess its back to debian 3.1
[06:55] <DShepherd> IguanaNed: and then... ls
[06:55] <IguanaNed> had to use cd ..
[06:55] <IguanaNed> right
[06:55] <IguanaNed> there are some files and dirs now
[06:55] <IguanaNed> i was using cd \
[06:55] <Razor-X> or you can use ``cd ..'' twice
[06:55] <OptiPlex> i try to do 'cd /' and 'ls' on DOS, and I cry when it doesnt work
[06:55] <sethk> clint-, why?  I think I lost your messages in the net split
[06:55] <IguanaNed> and nothin came up
[06:55] <Mabus07> How do I use MSN messenger or some program to message MSN contacts, anyway, through the terminal?
[06:55] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: this isn't DOS :)
[06:55] <sethk> OptiPlex, cygwin
[06:55] <IguanaNed> :)
[06:56] <spasmodo> Later all
[06:56] <clint-> ty seth, can I private msg you
[06:56] <OptiPlex> heh,
[06:56] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: now try ``startx''
[06:56] <OptiPlex> sethk: too complicated lol
[06:56] <Razor-X> Cygwin is annoying
[06:56] <Razor-X> I'ld rather use coLinux
[06:56] <trigg3r> sethk: i've tried installing the apache, php4, and php5 dependencies of phpmyadmin, but apt still balks at phpmyadmin part. i've already tried removing php,apache,and phpmyadmin. still no go.
[06:56] <IguanaNed> startx returns command not foud      where is it located?
[06:56] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: hmmm...
[06:56] <clint-> I would like to specialize in the linux support for drivers, notebooks. computers.. Internet Security, multimedia, I in all that. not gaming that much.. only on consoles. however I more into the other of the digital world :)
[06:57] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: try a ``dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg''
[06:57] <OptiPlex> wuh oh
[06:57] <Razor-X> errr
[06:57] <sethk> trigg3r, you have to find the package that has that db_get in it, and install that package
[06:57] <OptiPlex> you installed a 'server' install without X it seems
[06:57] <Razor-X> ``sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg''
[06:57] <intelikey> odd / is a valed char in DOS but it only goes to lower (subdir)   only \  will work for any higher dir.
[06:57] <clint-> oh ty
[06:57] <Razor-X> or.. that...
[06:57] <clint-> razor thanks
[06:57] <Mabus07> How do I use MSN messenger or some program to message MSN contacts, anyway, through the terminal?
[06:57] <DShepherd> Razor-X: shouldnt he just install ubuntu-desktop ?
[06:57] <clint-> that what I was lookin for, that saved me life on debian 3.1
[06:57] <Razor-X> clint-: .... thanks what?
[06:57] <clint-> :)
[06:57] <Razor-X> clint-: that wasn't for you...
[06:57] <Razor-X> oh :P
[06:57] <OptiPlex> wtf WHO uses msn? :|
[06:57] <clint-> I know. but thanks anyways
[06:57] <clint-> >_<
[06:57] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: lot's of people
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> does any platform exist that is supported by a pda, but can allow the direct installation of linux and linux apps if they are compiled for it?
[06:58] <Razor-X> lot's of people also use My Space and LiveJournal :)
[06:58] <Razor-X> *lots
[06:58] <OptiPlex> lots of people who wanna talk dirty maybe lol
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> all my friends use myspace
[06:58] <OptiPlex> heh myspace is like CRACK on our campus
[06:58] <Mabus07> OptiPlex: plenty of people... regardless, what can I use to message MSN contacts?
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> OptiPlex where?
[06:58] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: it's worse in a high school, I assure you
[06:58] <OptiPlex> im the only one there who doesnt use myspace lol
[06:58] <pztak1> is there a way to restart X without losing all of the open apps?
[06:58] <OptiPlex> in NC brokebn
[06:58] <clint-> RAzor
[06:58] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: I'm payed nice money to circumvent our school filters to access MySpace, so please don't call it bad
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> tar heels?
[06:58] <flames> hi, "nmap -sV localhost" result: 5800/tcp open  vnc-http?; 5900/tcp open  vnc? --  how can i stop vnc listening? (krfb?)
[06:58] <Razor-X> it's my money source :P
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> you stole roy williams from us you bastard
[06:58] <OptiPlex> irl
[06:59] <clint-> hey Razor-X
[06:59] <IguanaNed> Razor-X: asked me for my pwd ... then cam up with "local fialed"
[06:59] <Razor-X> clint-: yeahp?
[06:59] <trigg3r> sethk: get_db is part of apt, iirc. it's the phpmyadmin/reconfigure-webserver exec that it fails on...and i can't understand why
[06:59] <OptiPlex> lol, i hate sports I didnt steal JACK :]
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> so there is no pda architecture that you can compile linux for?
[06:59] <Mabus07> Razor-X: so do you have any suggestions for msn type clients for the terminal?
[06:59] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: you installed a server install :P
[06:59] <IguanaNed> looks like it is looking for some localization setting ie English...etc
[06:59] <sethk> trigg3r, either db_get isn't there, or it isn't in the path
[06:59] <Razor-X> Mabus07: older versions of centericq work with MSN
[06:59] <OptiPlex> heh razor I made that diagnosis like 5 mins ago, catch up you slacker :]
[06:59] <clint-> would you be able to help me with why my cd-rw/dvd-rom is lagging when I put in data cd. like to listen to my music videos.. or mp3's and it lags reading all the data.. it don't do that on debian, and other linux systems i have. but it does it with ubuntu,kubuntu
[06:59] <Mabus07> Razor-X: and you can use that from the terminal ie: with no x
[07:00] <IguanaNed> OptiPlex: i missed that
[07:00] <OptiPlex> lol
[07:00] <Razor-X> Mabus07: unfortunately, they don't work with the current TOC AIM protocol, so you're either going to have to diff the patch in yourself, or not use AIM
[07:00] <Razor-X> Mabus07: of course :P
[07:00] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: I know, meh
[07:00] <Mabus07> so just, sudo apt-get install centericq
[07:00] <Razor-X> Madpilot: but remember, something older
[07:00] <dopry> Has any else experienced apache2 not supporting namebased virtualhosts with wildcard IP's on ubunut?
[07:00] <Razor-X> err
[07:00] <Razor-X> Mabus07: something older
[07:00] <IguanaNed> thanks guys sorry for the inconveniec..
[07:00] <clint-> I have been having a real stressful time with linux for a while, and tryin everthing.. I just need to copy the config files to my debian system for video resolution of 1280x800 then I be happy
[07:00] <Madpilot> Razor-X: huh?
[07:00] <Razor-X> Mabus07: I don't know, the hoary version was old enough to have MSN support built-in
[07:01] <Mabus07> dopry: do you have a router?
[07:01] <Razor-X> Madpilot: wrong use of tabcomplete :P
[07:01] <IguanaNed> I thought the install said to press enter for desktop install
[07:01] <IguanaNed> will have to re-read it
[07:01] <dopry> do I need one for apache to do name based virtual hosting?
[07:01] <clint-> yeah thats the default install IguanaNed , what you needh elp with
[07:01] <Madpilot> Razor-X: yeah, figured it out... np ;)
[07:01] <Razor-X> Mabus07: I don't know about Breezy, you can try googling for the info though :P
[07:01] <trigg3r> sethk: ayt, i'll dig deeper. i got half a mind to remove all references to phpmyadmin in /var/lib/dpkg/info but that will make it harder for me to uninstall the erring package, don't you think?
[07:01] <clint-> I might be able to hel you
[07:01] <clint-> help*
[07:01] <Mabus07> dopry: I had a router and I needed to port forward, and use a dyndns
[07:01] <Mabus07> thanks, Razor-X
[07:01] <sethk> trigg3r, I think it would.  Try just copying db_get to /usr/bin, something that is always in the path
[07:02] <dopry> If you tell me I need a 7206-vxr that would suck... I dont' have 5k sitting around.
[07:02] <intelikey> IguanaNed: default is desktop install  but if you don't have enough free space on / it will fall back to server install also.
[07:02] <Razor-X> Mabus07: ohter than centericq, I don't know of much that connects to AIM unless you have a Jabber account and are using a Jabber server that comes with an MSN transport
[07:02] <clint-> ?
[07:02] <Razor-X> Mabus07: that also smoothes stuff like AIM compatibility, since they also tend to have AIM transports also
[07:02] <Razor-X> *other
[07:02] <dopry> Marbus07: connectivity isn't a problem... If I run apache 2 on say localhost I can't get NameBasedVirtual  hosting to work with wildcards I have to explicityly set it to <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:02] <Mabus07> I don't need AIM, Razor-X
[07:02] <Razor-X> Mabus07: cool
[07:03] <IguanaNed> Just reran setup and it says Type "SERVER" for base install  press ENTER for default
[07:03] <Razor-X> Mabus07: then just head out and get an older version of centericq
[07:03] <Razor-X> be forewarned though, if you wish to compile it, get prepared to wait a *long* time, believe me :)
[07:03] <intelikey> IguanaNed: ^
[07:03] <Razor-X> #3 in my all-time highest compile times
[07:03] <clint-> anyone good with inputing it. so ubuntu can read other partitions on a hard drive,, primarly dealing with notebooks, data lags with cd-rw/dvd-rom
[07:03] <Razor-X> (always use ``time make'', it adds fun to the game :)
[07:03] <OptiPlex> i always type 'expert' so i dont f*** up and do server by accident lol
[07:04] <clint-> well debian 3.1 was quite fun with the netinst.. :-)
[07:04] <Razor-X> Mabus07: are you X-less, by the way?
[07:04] <IguanaNed> intelikey: GOt 40Gig freespace that should be enough?
[07:04] <intelikey> by far.
[07:04] <OptiPlex> i swear RH7 had the longest compile time when installing a prog from source
[07:04] <clint-> lol
[07:04] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: :)
[07:05] <OptiPlex> i literally smoked half a pack of cigs waiting
[07:05] <clint-> it had.. didn't it :-)
[07:05] <Razor-X> IIRC, centericq clocked in at 22m compile time
[07:05] <intelikey> IguanaNed: you only need about 6g
[07:05] <clint-> lol
[07:05] <trinidad> what version of amarok comes with breezy
[07:05] <trinidad> ?
[07:05] <Razor-X> but it also produced a 30 MB executable :)
[07:05] <clint-> hey OptiPlex
[07:05] <trinidad> ?
[07:05] <intelikey> for everything.
[07:05] <OptiPlex> they were 100's too...
[07:05] <OptiPlex> ?
[07:05] <Razor-X> mplayer is 2nd on that list
[07:05] <IguanaNed> Wonder why it would go back to server mode ?
[07:05] <clint-> you know anything with support on notebooks. and might be able to help me with this dam acer aspire 3610, its fairly new. got it from the College
[07:05] <Razor-X> (with 30 minutes)
[07:06] <IguanaNed> I should jhust be able to press enter and it will install desktop right?
[07:06] <Razor-X> and honorary first place is taken by none other than the heavyweight CEDEGA
[07:06] <trinidad> anyone know which version of amarok comes with breezy
[07:06] <trinidad> ?
[07:06] <Razor-X> (which I don't use, anyhow :)
[07:06] <OptiPlex> not really, my notebook is an old 486 compaq that doesnt boot
[07:06] <OptiPlex> iguana: just type 'expert' to be safe.
[07:06] <Razor-X> clint-: what seems to be the problem?
[07:06] <Razor-X> (Linux still has a rough time on laptops)
[07:06] <intelikey> don't know but you can run 'sudo apt-get install [k] ubuntu-desktop ' IguanaNed to put the gui on there.
[07:06] <clint-> it seems like there's always some dam problem whether its with a distrubutin. I even tried debian 3.1, and PC BSD, I gettin fed up of 1 thing working great on 1, then not working great on the other..
[07:07] <OptiPlex> razor: link me a bootleg site for cedega :]
[07:07] <Slackwise> hehe, I just installed the Ubuntu theme on all my machines :P
[07:08] <Turicas> helloss, i want to delete some files from a NTFS partition. can i do it? how?
[07:08] <Turicas> hello all, i want to delete some files from a NTFS partition. can i do it? how?
[07:08] <EddieDaMan> can someone please help me get my wpa-psk to work on my laptop?
[07:08] <EddieDaMan> my attempts have been unsuccessful
[07:08] <OptiPlex> OOH is pcbsd any good?
[07:08] <clint-> don't make much since to me at all. and i don't want to sale this laptop.. maybe its the laptop.. :(
[07:08] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: you can compile Cedega from CVS free of charge
[07:08] <Razor-X> BSD *shudders*
[07:08] <OptiPlex> w00t :]
[07:08] <OptiPlex> heh, fbsd ownz
[07:08] <intelikey> IguanaNed: yes enter should reload the full system.
[07:08] <Razor-X> a distro that makes tcsh their default shell should be maimed
[07:08] <trigg3r> thanks again sethk
[07:08] <clint-> yeah its really awesome.. fast as hell.  fastest system I have ever been on, because its unix base, and its kde on FreeBSD
[07:08] <IguanaNed> OptiPlex: ty will try expert
[07:08] <OptiPlex> id still be dualbooting fbsd and win2k on my pc if I had a working harddrive
[07:08] <clint-> however, it didnt' detect my keyboad and set the keys how i thought it was.. see always something wrong
[07:08] <Razor-X> still.... the pain... it's... tcsh... :(
[07:08] <OptiPlex> good luck iguana
[07:08] <Razor-X> and it has such weird device names
[07:09] <Razor-X> clint-: you can try picking another keyboard layout
[07:09] <OptiPlex> bsd=ee instead of vi, and God bless them for that
[07:09] <Swedish_Chef> okay
[07:09] <Swedish_Chef> what the EFF happened to the fonts in kde!?
[07:09] <Swedish_Chef> argh
[07:09] <Razor-X> clint-: or if need be, make one yourself
[07:09] <clint-> so I set it to acpi by default, I am waiting for PC BSD 1.0 official to be released.. FreeBSD 6.0 is too dam hard to install :)
[07:09] <OptiPlex> try fbsd on it clint, it is a little more 'controlled' as far as development :]
[07:09] <OptiPlex> 5.3 that is
[07:09] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: instead of vi?
[07:09] <clint-> read up :)
[07:09] <OptiPlex> I HATE vi...
[07:09] <lilo> hmmm
[07:09] <Razor-X> :P
[07:09] <Razor-X> I don't mind vi, not that I use it of course
[07:09] <clint-> I would just like it.. if ubuntu would get the dam data loadedin. and play my dam mpeg's and mp3's!!!
[07:09] <OptiPlex> vim isnt that bad, but omfg normal vi is friggen SATAN
[07:09] <clint-> then I can be a little more patient :-)
[07:09] <slide> Ok, so i followed the ubuntus guide to adding all the repositories and i apt-get'd azureus and it installed j2re 1.4 and not 1.5, and then azureus is like really old too
[07:09] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: oh, normal vi, meh
[07:10] <c0n> could someone help me get my wireless working under ubuntu?
[07:10] <Razor-X> clint-: :), well I setup both here pretty quickly
[07:10] <c0n> i found the drivers i need, just dont know what to do with them
[07:10] <OptiPlex> heh i know the feeling clint, I reloaded my PC like 5 times thinking linux/bsd/windows had problems working together, and it was just a bad HDD
[07:10] <Swedish_Chef> this is not good
[07:10] <Swedish_Chef> things are breaking.
[07:10] <clint-> yeah.. its always working good for someone..
[07:10] <Swedish_Chef> and i don't know why
[07:10] <Razor-X> clint-: but I did sweat and bleed too
[07:10] <Swedish_Chef> why are my gtk apps segfaulting!?!?!?
[07:10] <clint-> OptiPlex, . yep , I have had many operating systems on pc's
[07:10] <Swedish_Chef> alksdjflkajsdf
[07:10] <clint-> I use Acronis Disk Director suite
[07:10] <intelikey> Swedish_Chef: nothing to do on ub  ehh
[07:11] <clint-> yeah. gee thanks for adding that. so have i
[07:11] <Swedish_Chef> intelikey: hey, this isn't funny. i install kubuntu-desktop and all hell breaks loose
[07:11] <tritium> Swedish_Chef: please quit typing nonsense
[07:11] <Razor-X> I chose a nice summer to setup Ubuntu, that way I can have fun chugging at configs when I don't have anything worthwile to do, except maybe exercise
[07:11] <clint-> when it comes to installing, managing operating systems, migration, erasing hard drives.. I'm pretty good at that.
[07:11] <clint-> support. eh working on it
[07:11] <OptiPlex> clint: if the notebook is a bit old, try an older distro like hoary or something like slack
[07:11] <clint-> its new
[07:11] <clint-> >_<
[07:11] <Razor-X> except, I don't want to setup another mailserver any time soon
[07:11] <OptiPlex> hm, thats weird
[07:11] <Swedish_Chef> tritium: sorry. i'm just puzzled as how stuff that was working 5 seconds ago just suddenly decided to stop working despite me not doing anything
[07:11] <clint-> nah I am not going to slack
[07:11] <clint-> >_<
[07:12] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: if it's bleeding edge and it's a laptop, eh
[07:12] <clint-> I go bakc to debian 3.1 before I go to slack
[07:12] <EddieDaMan> can someonse please help me with my wireless wpa-psk, or my lack of, lol
[07:12] <OptiPlex> heh debian 'does' own
[07:12] <philc> where can I get date/parse.pm?
[07:12] <DShepherd> going to get some shut-eye
[07:12] <ke> Why would an older distribution be better then?
[07:12] <intelikey> OptiPlex: what do you call "a bit old" ?
[07:12] <OptiPlex> i hear netbsd runs on 'everything' if you can take using pkg-add
[07:12] <c0n> hey there again Eddie
[07:13] <clint-> its time to play frisbie golf now . besides.. I had better luck with debian 3.1 loading my music and data cd's better than ubuntu, I guess I have to sacrifice and build my own linux system.. oh wel..
[07:13] <DShepherd> lata
[07:13] <OptiPlex> heh a bit old to me is 3-7 yrs old like my mac lol
[07:13] <OptiPlex> FROLF!
[07:13] <n0dl> IguanaNed: back
[07:13] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: it doesen't use portage?!
[07:14] <Razor-X> errrr
[07:14] <webman> how to install xfce on breeze?
[07:14] <Razor-X> BSD ports
[07:14] <IguanaNed> am not
[07:14] <IguanaNed> am now
[07:14] <OptiPlex> nah, pkg-add, ports are fbsd/pcbsd/darwin
[07:14] <tritium> webman: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:14] <Turicas> webman, aptitude install xfce4?
[07:14] <clint-> I'm going to submit my hardware info to ubuntu , at least it will help someone who has a similar problem ..
[07:14] <EddieDaMan> does wireless wpa-psk work on ubuntu?
[07:14] <OptiPlex> i like ports, but synaptic is just soooo much easier to manage
[07:14] <c0n> could someone help me get my wireless working under ubuntu? even just a push in the right direction?
[07:14] <webman> to: tritium >> Thanks
[07:14] <n0dl> w007 i got xfce on a clean install with gnome
[07:14] <Swedish_Chef> okay, i've deduced the issue is with pango
[07:14] <Razor-X> !wireless
[07:14] <n0dl> woot
[07:14] <ubotu> I guess wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[07:14] <clint-> then .. bye bye ubuntu.. hello debian 3.1 again
[07:14] <OptiPlex> i would clint, i should submit that screen-config bug on my mac too heh
[07:15] <c0n> thanks :D
[07:15] <rob_p> clint-:  My Sony laptop is similar in specs to yours.  I'm running Breezy just fine.  Most everything including wireless just worked from the beginning!  However, I did have to do some work to get 1280x800 video resolution.
[07:15] <Swedish_Chef> at least a backtrace in gdb shows things start breaking once pango is called
[07:15] <Razor-X> c0n: :P
[07:15] <c0n> !wireless
[07:15] <clint-> rob
[07:15] <Razor-X> rob_p: his keyboard seems to be messed up
[07:15] <OptiPlex> im glad ubuntu works on the mac
[07:15] <Razor-X> clint-: have you tried making a custom keyboard layout?
[07:15] <OptiPlex> because I am NOT gonna be stuck with OS X if I can help it
[07:15] <clint-> I am not talking about doing work to get video resolution to 1280x800 on my laptop. that was debian
[07:15] <clint-> however debian didn't lag my cd's either
[07:15] <IguanaNed> OPtiPlex: Do I need to run the "Copy remaining packages to hard disk" option?
[07:15] <clint-> funk this shiz :)
[07:15] <OptiPlex> I qould Iguana
[07:16] <intelikey> IguanaNed: yeah
[07:16] <OptiPlex> it makes the config after reboot a bit faster
[07:16] <rob_p> Razor-X:  I see.
[07:16] <clint-> thanks for tryin to get met o stay with ubuntu.. but nah.. its not going work. my internet was blazin with debian 3.1 anwaysy
[07:16] <z3r0x> does anybody know how to sniff ssl user and password with ettercap?
[07:16] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: blah, I keep forgetting that most people have `q' next to `w'
[07:16] <IguanaNed> what about "install the base system"?
[07:16] <OptiPlex> clint: I say stick with debian if it works.. i aint loyal to one distro :]
[07:16] <OptiPlex> lol
[07:16] <clint-> yeah
[07:16] <clint-> I would rather make myself slave with debian
[07:16] <clint-> than ubuntu
[07:16] <OptiPlex> Iguana, that 'should' be done, but do it again to check
[07:16] <clint-> and plus
[07:17] <rjordan> Anyone else having dependency problems with eclipse?
[07:17] <clint-> it is much faster than ubuntu
[07:17] <Swedish_Chef> wow
[07:17] <Razor-X> clint-: I like Ubuntu a lot, but if Ubuntu refuses to work, then I guess the Debian ship is best
[07:17] <tritium> clint-: nonsense
[07:17] <clint-> some things are just worth sacrificing
[07:17] <Swedish_Chef> installing kubuntu-desktop officially broke my machine. gnome refuses to start
[07:17] <OptiPlex> Im a BSD person myself, but the PPC port of freebsd is in 'early' testing phases
[07:17] <intelikey> IguanaNed: why are you in expert mode now ?
[07:17] <OptiPlex> so im using ubuntu on it
[07:17] <intelikey> IguanaNed: what failed ?
[07:17] <clint-> its not the ubuntu , its the person behind the system
[07:17] <rjordan> OptiPlex: I feel you :)
[07:17] <Razor-X> clint-: but refusing to work by my standards means that BASH is segfaulting
[07:17] <webman> every time i'm trying to install some apps i receive "Setting up w32codecs (20050412+breezy0.0.1) ...
[07:17] <webman> --08:16:24--  http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/windows-all-20050412.zip
[07:17] <webman>            => `windows-all-20050412.zip'
[07:17] <webman> Resolving www1.mplayerhq.hu... <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:17] <webman> Connecting to www1.mplayerhq.hu|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... connected.
[07:17] <Razor-X> soooo... :P
[07:17] <webman> HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
[07:17] <OptiPlex> intelikey: because i told iguana to choose expert as a precaution lol
[07:17] <clint-> later
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> i little tip for anyone with hyperthreaded procs.  run make -j2 to maximize your processing speed
[07:17] <Razor-X> webman: don't paste in the channel
[07:17] <OptiPlex> omfg paste
[07:17] <tritium> webman please don't paste!
[07:17] <OptiPlex> peace client
[07:17] <webman> this can continue for 1ong time
[07:17] <OptiPlex> and good luck IRL!
[07:18] <clint-> hey OptiPlex
[07:18] <Swedish_Chef> -j3 works even better for hyperthreading
[07:18] <clint-> I am going copy some configuration files and then.. replace the ones on my debian system.. :D
[07:18] <EddieDaMan> how do i use the debian sid package?
[07:18] <OptiPlex> :]
[07:18] <EddieDaMan> will that work for ubuntu?
[07:18] <Razor-X> EddieDaMan: you don't
[07:18] <clint-> :]
[07:18] <intelikey> IguanaNed: sorry, never mind me.    OptiPlex ok.
[07:18] <clint-> of course lmfao
[07:18] <Madpilot> EddieDaMan: it might just break your Ubuntu...
[07:18] <clint-> break?
[07:19] <EddieDaMan> i can't figure out how to get my wpa-psk to work on this os
[07:19] <clint-> I am takin some of ubuntu settings to debian. nonsense :)
[07:19] <rjordan> EddieDaMan: 'dpkg -i' ?
[07:19] <OptiPlex> good luck with it clint, when I get my PC running, Im gonna dual-boot FBSD/Ubuntu for fun lol
[07:19] <webman> tritium , Razor-x sorry , but how to solve it?
[07:19] <clint-> haha
[07:19] <clint-> OptiPlex,
[07:19] <clint-> Acronis Disk Director Suite 9 is what you need
[07:19] <OptiPlex> even though I'll have to DOWNLOAD everything for FBSD... including X.
[07:19] <EddieDaMan> is wpa-psk supported for ubuntu?
[07:19] <EddieDaMan> i dled the supplicant
[07:19] <OptiPlex> i should make an appointment to leech bandwidth at my friend's house
[07:19] <EddieDaMan> and someone help me edit my config for it
[07:19] <OptiPlex> ...bring him lunch or something as a bribe
[07:20] <clint-> you can put.. quite a operating systems. and os select even graphical select at  boot lol
[07:20] <EddieDaMan> nothing seems to work
[07:20] <EddieDaMan> anyone up for a challenge?
[07:20] <EddieDaMan> lol
[07:20] <OptiPlex> heh
[07:20] <Swedish_Chef> anybody here install kubuntu-desktop on an ubuntu machine?
[07:20] <clint-> yep Swedish_Chef
[07:20] <clint-> open a terminal
[07:20] <Swedish_Chef> because right now gtk is hosed, and i don't know why
[07:20] <clint-> and type..   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:20] <Swedish_Chef> well, i think it's font rendering and pango
[07:20] <clint-> at least I can help with something before I go :D
[07:20] <EddieDaMan> is kubuntu-desktop better?
[07:20] <Swedish_Chef> clint-: yes, i know that. but that's what broke
[07:21] <ke> A matter of taste I say
[07:21] <tritium> EddieDaMan: it's all preference
[07:21] <clint-> gnome I hear takes less resources :-)
[07:21] <EddieDaMan> ic
[07:21] <Swedish_Chef> i changed my fonts in kde and it screwed up gtk
[07:21] <EddieDaMan> i can't get that to work either, lol
[07:21] <clint-> but I'm leaving and going to me debian 3.1 for headaches :D
[07:21] <OptiPlex> I wish I could set an .avi file as a boot-splash in ubuntu. that would be PIMP!
[07:21] <EddieDaMan> i'd be nice to get one program running tonight
[07:21] <EddieDaMan> lol
[07:21] <EddieDaMan> haven't yet
[07:21] <OptiPlex> i might take an IRC break and finish this 30M download on dialup...
[07:21] <tritium> EddieDaMan: what are you trying to install?
[07:22] <Pablo> o.O
[07:22] <OptiPlex> damn sister and her MMORPGs... *update it.... it wont take but 4 hrs.* its been 5
[07:22] <clint-> imagine 14 cd's if you had to download them.. or 2 dvd's however, if you got the network connectin.. minimal cd, and netinst. however I have the offiical binary cd, and I do the netinst
[07:22] <EddieDaMan> amarok, and my wireless wpa-psk
[07:22] <intelikey> EddieDaMan: kubuntu is ub + kde   and ubuntu is  ub + gnome   and  xubuntu is  ub + xfce
[07:22] <philc> where can I get date/parse.pm?
[07:22] <tritium> EddieDaMan: you don't need sid packages for amarok
[07:22] <slide> hrm this is weird, I can resize the Azureus window, none of its insides change!
[07:22] <EddieDaMan> k
[07:22] <OptiPlex> mmmm xubuntu sounds seksi
[07:22] <EddieDaMan> i tried installin amarok before
[07:22] <clint-> i going run a fluxbox on debian :D
[07:22] <rjordan> philc: cpan
[07:22] <EddieDaMan> kept on rebuffering
[07:23] <EddieDaMan> no sound
[07:23] <GURT> slide: try a BT client that dosen't suck so much ;P
[07:23] <EddieDaMan> coudln't stream either
[07:23] <slide> azureus > *
[07:23] <clint-> hey whats an OS without bugs
[07:23] <clint-> :-)
[07:23] <rjordan> slide: torrentfllux >
[07:23] <OptiPlex> menuetOS :]
[07:23] <EddieDaMan> window (chuckle)
[07:23] <clint-> No OS! :D
[07:23] <EddieDaMan> windows*
[07:23] <slide> me > *
[07:23] <slide> heh
[07:24] <EddieDaMan> lol
[07:24] <OptiPlex> Apology Accepted, Captain Needa.
[07:24] <n0dl> is there something better to use than totem
[07:24] <clint-> pen drive :D
[07:24] <n0dl> im tired of using totem
[07:24] <OptiPlex> SLAX heh
[07:24] <intelikey> clint-: there isn't one.    there are os's with few  and os's with many.   but os without bugs does not exist.
[07:24] <Razor-X> slide: if you have a swimming pool of RAM, then go ahead and laud Azureus :)
[07:24] <rjordan> lol, torrentflux uses fewer resources then azureus.
[07:24] <linlin> how do you netstat a port and get the pid of a program running on it
[07:24] <clint-> noatun is nice n0dl
[07:24] <OptiPlex> n0dl: Mplayer
[07:24] <EddieDaMan> is there something better than amarok that is semi easy to install through termina>
[07:24] <OptiPlex> download that biatch asap
[07:24] <clint-> thats why I said if you was reading
[07:24] <philc> rjordan: thanks
[07:24] <EddieDaMan> and can stream
[07:24] <clint-> No OS!
[07:24] <OptiPlex> Eddie: xmms
[07:24] <n0dl> clint-: where do i get the source?
[07:24] <GURT> * uses fewer resources than azureus
[07:24] <n0dl> is xmms good?
[07:25] <clint-> oh hey n0dl
[07:25] <clint-> get vlc
[07:25] <Razor-X> see, if you gave emacs as much RAM as you gave Azureus, you'ld be able to do so much more with your system
[07:25] <ke> It's like winamp
[07:25] <z3r0x> I need ettercap with ssl support how can I do this? I installed ettercap with apt-get install ettercap
[07:25] <EddieDaMan> can someone please walk me throught its installation
[07:25] <clint-> www.videolan.org
[07:25] <EddieDaMan> i miss winamp
[07:25] <EddieDaMan> lol
[07:25] <OptiPlex> beep media player is tight as a mofo too
[07:25] <clint-> lol
[07:25] <clint-> bugamp :)
[07:25] <OptiPlex> so is vlc :]
[07:25] <OptiPlex> vlc has GOOM omfg
[07:25] <sambagirl> use vlc
[07:25] <rjordan> I want rhythmbox to not segfault :(
[07:25] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: I like VLC, but I do all my media playing in the terminal
[07:25] <OptiPlex> goom makes me feel high
[07:25] <clint-> haha
[07:25] <sambagirl> vlc is for elite use only
[07:25] <clint-> I bet ya do Razor-X lol
[07:25] <OptiPlex> ximp3 :]
[07:25] <OptiPlex> mpg321 lol
[07:25] <Razor-X> clint-: I do :P
[07:25] <n0dl> i use vlc
[07:26] <n0dl> but vlc cant play wmv
[07:26] <OptiPlex> vlc is da b0mb
[07:26] <clint-> yeah. and I got a fluxbox.. :)
[07:26] <EddieDaMan> can someone please walk me through the installaiton of a streaming media player?
[07:26] <OptiPlex> ..in Aqua lol
[07:26] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: a convenient frontend to mpg123 and ogg123 called cplay
[07:26] <EddieDaMan> lol
[07:26] <n0dl> i think openbox is better
[07:26] <clint-> lmfao. you should try phlak. its nice :-)
[07:26] <OptiPlex> oh yes it can :]
[07:26] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: it's really good, too
[07:26] <EddieDaMan> <--- noob
[07:26] <OptiPlex> vlc can play xmw on os x lol
[07:26] <rjordan> clint-: but flux isn't as cool as fvwm ;P
[07:26] <clint-> <--- super noob
[07:26] <OptiPlex> m
[07:26] <OptiPlex> o
[07:26] <OptiPlex> t
[07:26] <OptiPlex> i
[07:26] <OptiPlex> f
[07:26] <n0dl> but alas i cant use it yet because i couldnt do it on the base install
[07:26] <OptiPlex> :]
[07:26] <tritium> OptiPlex: stop that
[07:26] <EddieDaMan> please?
[07:26] <OptiPlex> heh
[07:26] <intelikey> !enter
[07:26] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[07:26] <sambagirl> you can go to #lad and ask the audio gurus there for help and advice too.
[07:27] <clint-> n0dl,  guess what I am switching too.. so I won't be much a help
[07:27] <OptiPlex> :[
[07:27] <Razor-X> or you can wait for crimsun, our own resident audio guru :)
[07:27] <n0dl> clint-: are you swtiching to windows?
[07:27] <clint-> I am going compile my own kernels and all.. :-)
[07:27] <sambagirl> you can go to #lad and ask the audio gurus there for help and advice too.
[07:27] <rjordan> clint-: http://dev.gentoo.org/~taviso/screenshots/newtheme.png
[07:27] <Swedish_Chef> now i'm pissed. how do i reinstall all of gnome?
[07:27] <sunka> a ./configure script is telling me cpp is "failing sanity check"....although i had several versions of it downloaded from synaptic. can anyone help?
[07:27] <n0dl> whats a good media player that can play wmv and avi and rms and stuff like taht?
[07:27] <sambagirl> they are all gurus in #lad tho
[07:27] <clint-> rjordan, , if I was going go gentoo, I woudl just go straight PC BSD
[07:27] <clint-> no ty
[07:27] <patfm> anyone know what the "Virtual size" would refer to in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[07:27] <sambagirl> linux audio developers
[07:28] <OptiPlex> gentoo scares me
[07:28] <Razor-X> all... these... BSD lovers *groans(
[07:28] <n0dl> clint-: what are you swtiching to?
[07:28] <Razor-X> **groans**
[07:28] <clint-> i have no need for it
[07:28] <clint-> :-)
[07:28] <Knowerrors> Anybody know of a XB Extra Packages CD?
[07:28] <OptiPlex> well ubuntu reminds me of bsd
[07:28] <n0dl> Razor-X: i dont know much about BSD
[07:28] <marlun> Can I make a shell script which after a server-install makes a apt-get update, and after that installs all the specific packages I want? Will the shell wait for one "aptitude install" to get installed before it runs the next one?
[07:28] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: I hate BSD with such a vehemence, I don't use ps aux :)
[07:28] <Knowerrors> Extra CD for breezy...?
[07:28] <OptiPlex> with all the 'we give you what you need, download the rest sir' attitude :]
[07:28] <Lathiat> marlun: yes a shell script is executed in order
[07:29] <n0dl> is xmms good?
[07:29] <n0dl> or t3h suck?
[07:29] <slide> heh
[07:29] <tritium> n0dl: try it out for yourself
[07:29] <Razor-X> n0dl: try it out
[07:29] <OptiPlex> xmms is 'very' good, although i like the equalizer on beep media player better
[07:29] <OptiPlex> its a wider EQ
[07:29] <clint-> n0dl,  I already use windows , i manage it, and keep securing it. for people and go to Robert  Morris College for Computer Science. I only been into this open source for a year..  I don't limit myself and never will, into   rhinoceros 3d and maxon, and other things
[07:29] <marlun> Lathiat, great :) Now I just need to figure out what I can add to aptitude install so it doesn't ask for permission everytime it installs something.
[07:30] <Razor-X> n0dl: just like anything else on UNIX, xmms is easy to use to start a war
[07:30] <rjordan> clint-: I really liked rhino
[07:30] <OptiPlex> clint: 'secure' it? :[
[07:30] <clint-> i have so much books on crap, ,I just have to read
[07:30] <n0dl> Razor-X: whats that suppose to mean?
[07:30] <clint-> cool rjordan
[07:30] <Razor-X> we all have our tastes, but if anyone wants some common X utilitiy to work on the CLI, ask me, because I use the CLI a lot
[07:30] <clint-> whatever works for ya
[07:30] <n0dl> well does xmms allow the playing of avi wmvs and what not?
[07:30] <OptiPlex> i just dropped my network administration major, because my school teaches 90% M$
[07:30] <clint-> I have Autodesk 3ds max 7, and 8 as well and maya
[07:30] <Razor-X> n0dl: if you ask whether xmms is a good media player, you can probably start a very large argument very quickly
[07:30] <Lathiat> marlun: apt-get takes -y
[07:30] <Lathiat> marlun: and perhaps --force-yes
[07:30] <OptiPlex> they're getting kickbacks from M$ I swear.
[07:31] <Lathiat> marlun: and maybe -f
[07:31] <rjordan> clint-: have you looked into blender?
[07:31] <n0dl> Razor-X: i c but does it play avi and wmv and stuff like that?
[07:31] <clint-> nope
[07:31] <clint-> www.novedge.com
[07:31] <clint-> have you checked there :D
[07:31] <Razor-X> n0dl: I don't know about WMV, but I know it can play most AVI formats
[07:31] <OptiPlex> n0dl: try mplayer for video and xmms for audio
[07:31] <Razor-X> errr, WMA rather
[07:31] <OptiPlex> or xine for video and beep for audio, they own
[07:31] <Razor-X> XMMS is audio only
[07:31] <OptiPlex> or... vlc for all :]
[07:31] <clint-> n0dl,
[07:31] <clint-> I am going back to me debian 3.1
[07:31] <marlun> Lathiat, yeah I found the -y, will take alook at the other ones, thanks
[07:31] <patfm> do i need a Monitor sectoin *and* a Screen section in xorg.conf? i've gotten conflicting advice
[07:31] <Razor-X> I use cplay audio and mplayer for video
[07:31] <n0dl> clint-: yeah?
[07:32] <Razor-X> *for audio
[07:32] <OptiPlex> clint: go to solaris if you want a reeeeal headache heh
[07:32] <tritium> patfm: yes, you do.  Why are you hand-editing your xorg.conf?
[07:32] <clint-> i am just going to copy some config files from ubuntu and put into debian 3.1 sarge
[07:32] <clint-> opti no thanks lol
[07:32] <OptiPlex> i hear solaris only supports 'certain' intel boards and like no amd boards heh
[07:32] <n0dl> well imma try slackware on the next box im running
[07:32] <clint-> but thanks anyways .. already thought about that months ago :-)
[07:32] <tritium> clint-: you keep mentioning that.  just go ahead and go if you're going to
[07:32] <n0dl> and i constantly carry around floppix and Damn Small linux on my usb pen everywhere
[07:33] <clint-> aww
[07:33] <clint-> :P
[07:33] <OptiPlex> heh, slax is kewl if you just wanna do multimedia stuffs
[07:33] <clint-> lol
[07:33] <clint-> multimedia stuffs :D
[07:33] <OptiPlex> heh, i used damnsmalllinux like 2 or 3 yrs ago
[07:33] <clint-> lmfao
[07:33] <OptiPlex> and it ownt
[07:33] <rjordan> patfm: yes, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nP7vkl39.html
[07:33] <n0dl> really? i thought slax was for people who like to mess around
[07:33] <patfm> tritium: trying to get a 15" vaio screen to work
[07:33] <clint-> Xandros.. dam sucka. just aint' that dam open for me :D
[07:33] <OptiPlex> heh, like 'footstuffs'
[07:33] <n0dl> its like the less complex version of gentoo (i wanna try that but i heard its not for the intermediate user)
[07:33] <smo> slack was darned useful when I wanted to put a system in a 30Mb footprint.  haven't touched it since tho
[07:33] <clint-> was me second other than Mandrake 10.0 official :-)
[07:34] <OptiPlex> heh if you want open, get red flag linux... full communism lol
[07:34] <OptiPlex> omfg MANDRAKE *hides*
[07:34] <n0dl> 30mb whoa thats crazy
[07:34] <clint-> lmfao
[07:34] <intelikey> smo agreed
[07:34] <n0dl> hello
[07:34] <n0dl> what the heck
[07:35] <n0dl> can someone hear me?
[07:35] <Swedish_Chef> dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-standard, libgtk2.0-0 and stuff doesn't work. something broke gtk and font rendering while installing kubuntu-desktop
[07:35] <n0dl> did i get band?
[07:35] <Swedish_Chef> and now no gtk app works
[07:35] <tritium> no, n0dl
[07:35] <OptiPlex> nope
[07:35] <OptiPlex> i thought I did though
[07:35] <clint-> Mandrake , Xandros, Linspire, REd Hat, Fedora Core, Knoppix, PHLAK, PC BSD, Ubuntu/Kubuntu,
[07:35] <n0dl> tritium: im not banned?
[07:35] <tritium> of course not
[07:35] <intelikey> n0dl: hearing and listening to are not the same.
[07:35] <OptiPlex> clint: Ive used more OSes than you :]
[07:35] <smo> Swedish_Chef, have you tried as another user?  that'll quickly narrow down whether it's your config or the system's
[07:35] <OptiPlex> :D
[07:35] <patfm> tritium: is there a way to configure xorg.conf automatically?
[07:36] <clint-> thats just the open source versions. ya want a medal?
[07:36] <tritium> patfm: yes, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:36] <clint-> :D
[07:36] <Swedish_Chef> smo: i take it i should add another user to try, then...
[07:36] <OptiPlex> heh, ive used an arseload of closed too *bootleg* i have too much freetime i guess
[07:36] <clint-> OptiPlex,  I like ya though.. you gave me some hope with ubuntu. if I can get this problem fixed. I won't bitch :-)
[07:36] <smo> or if you're using gdm, it sounds like just seeing fonts there would be encouraging
[07:36] <patfm> tritium: ah, didn't know about that, thanks
[07:36] <clint-> see, my Music CD's work like charm
[07:36] <n0dl> hmm
[07:37] <intelikey> patfm: add -phigh if you want that to guess at most stuff.
[07:37] <clint-> data cd's and mp3.. that the problem. I bet thats what the problem is.. not worth blowing up about
[07:37] <n0dl> does anyone know t3h site for Mplayer source?
[07:37] <clint-> n0dl,  want to work together with ubuntu m8
[07:37] <patfm> intelikey:  so, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
[07:37] <intelikey> yeah
[07:37] <smo> mplayerhq.hu I believe.  google if I got the TLD wrong
[07:37] <workingmansdead> when i click on my trash icon, and choose open in new window, I get a window that says Malformed URL trash:/   whats going wrong?
[07:37] <OptiPlex> rh, mdk, suse, dsl, ubuntu, slax, slack, osx, nbsd, fbsd, win30, win95, win98, win2k, winxp, win03, berry, deadlinux, os7, os9, plan9, heh
[07:37] <intelikey> or -plow  if you like to make all the choices.
[07:37] <n0dl> clint-: ubuntu m8? wazzat?
[07:37] <clint-> I'll help you with the multi media, and other things optimization, I just need to push myself for configuration and security
[07:38] <clint-> :-)
[07:38] <patfm> intelikey: thanks, will try it
[07:38] <Swedish_Chef> smo: okay, so it must be my configuration.
[07:38] <clint-> oh you feel like a winner huh
[07:38] <Swedish_Chef> do i just rename .gnome to .gnome-bak and reconfigure it?
[07:38] <OptiPlex> lol, i forgot dos menuetos and atari lol
[07:38] <n0dl> clint-: alright cool
[07:38] <OptiPlex> never :]
[07:38] <n0dl> clint-: ill be glad to help
[07:39] <OptiPlex> im still a n00b though, i just like OSes
[07:39] <smo> Swedish_Chef, I'm not sure how you'd best go about isolating the problem .. but atleast you know reinstalling and dpkg-reconfig aren't going to do anything for you, so save time there
[07:39] <n0dl> if i can (ive dealt with so many problems in a month im surprised im a pretty experienced n00b :))
[07:39] <clint-> win 3.1 , win 95, win 95 b, win 98 , win 98se, win 98 me (bsedition) :-), win 2k sever, win 2k professional, windows nt, windows xp home/pro, etc. longhorn a bit, working on Windows Vista
[07:39] <clint-> OptiPlex,  I am like you
[07:39] <rjordan> OptiPlex: what about bob? (windows bob)
[07:39] <smokey> when i click on my trash icon, and choose open in new window, I get a window that says Malformed URL trash:/   whats going worng?
[07:40] <n0dl> theres a windows bob?
[07:40] <n0dl> wth?
[07:40] <smo> or windows neptune .. who else came here for a history lesson  lol
[07:40] <rjordan> n0dl: yep
[07:40] <OptiPlex> heh, forgot about 03 web and 03 enterprise :]
[07:40] <OptiPlex> OMFG Microsoft BOB!
[07:40] <intelikey> clint-: some of those are not os's.   they are platforms.
[07:40] <clint-> fd, nemesis. longhorn are just code names for versions that have came out.. nemesis was media editionand longhorn is windows vista
[07:40] <n0dl> wow i never realized how many windows things there were
[07:40] <dell500> does anyone here know how to get the ipod to factory settings on linux?
[07:40] <OptiPlex> we used to use some crap in highschool called SchoolVista that was IDENTICAL to MS Bob
[07:40] <smokey> when i click on my trash icon, and choose open in new window, I get a window that says Malformed URL trash:/   whats going wrong?
[07:41] <Swedish_Chef> thank you, smo
[07:41] <clint-> they can still be considered and operating system because there software that communicates with hardware
[07:41] <OptiPlex> ms bob only sold 160,000 copies and got pulled lol pwn3d
[07:41] <smo> dell500, not unless you've made a backup.  if not, you really do need osx or windows for the ipod updater
[07:41] <Swedish_Chef> it would've taken me another hour to think of messing with local settings
[07:41] <dell500> that sucks
[07:41] <Swedish_Chef> i got rid of my gtk directories
[07:41] <n0dl> OptiPlex: lol
[07:41] <Swedish_Chef> and now everythign works again
[07:41] <patfm> intelikey: hmm, i ran that command and picked what i believe is an appropriate mode, but i still just get a black screen on startx
[07:41] <dell500> so like all the files crammed in my ipod that are hidden somewhat can't be erased?
[07:41] <Swedish_Chef> my guess is that kde modified some gtk settings, and botched ita ll up
[07:41] <n0dl> aww man i forgot how to repair keys and put them back on my keyring
[07:41] <OptiPlex> that darn idiot instructor of mine said whistler was win2k, I argued with him for 6 months over that before he stfu about it
[07:42] <n0dl> what was it gpg keyserv...
[07:42] <n0dl> eh i dont remeber
[07:42] <clint-> and m8, I could careless about the olden days. those days are done and over with
[07:42] <dell500> cause i started with 55gb free, then it dwiddled down to 45ish, cause of files lost and not recorded , ya know?
[07:42] <slew> hi, whats the command that shows how much disk space is left?
[07:42] <clint-> lol OptiPlex
[07:42] <rjordan> lol, whistler.
[07:42] <n0dl> wasnt the command da
[07:42] <nightwing> Anyone here dealt with read-only access problem on removable usb devices (my case, a Sandisk mp3 player)?
[07:42] <n0dl> or something like that
[07:42] <smo> slew, df -h in a terminal .. nautilus should show it in the status bar iirc
[07:42] <n0dl> thats right
[07:42] <intelikey> patfm: try it with -plow and when it asks 'do you want x to access the screen in this way ?' (frame buffering)  change it and see if it helps.
[07:43] <smo> (df = disk free .. you'll find they stick in your head better when you know what they mean)
[07:43] <clint-> my instructors don't like me neither. at least 1 doesn't :-) he's foreign. oh well .. I expect that. at least I didnt' tell him get the fuk out of my country.. I not racist :-)
[07:43] <OptiPlex> i dropped his classes, 'network design' 'network security' and 'adv. networking' were all active directory classes, what an inept tool
[07:43] <slew> smo, it does, just trying to learn the commandline commands =]
[07:43] <patfm> intelikey: great thanks, rebooting at the moment
[07:43] <OptiPlex> i can't READ microsoft. It isn't english i swear
[07:43] <n0dl> wow dont have professors yet
[07:43] <intelikey> THIS IS NOT  'MICRO-REBOOT' !
[07:43] <clint-> he thinks the command line, and working out of the gui is the best thing to do for linux and unix, and that if you use the gui, your system will break , and that microsoft is the best
[07:43] <smo> slew, that was actually the first question I had to resort to a maillist for :)
[07:43] <n0dl> (still in highschool)
[07:43] <slew> smo, hehe =]
[07:43] <patfm> oops.
[07:44] <n0dl> lol
[07:44] <clint-> well he thinks inside a box and I am who I am
[07:44] <OptiPlex> it's 25% info, 50% propaganda, 25% advertising, and 100% confusion :[
[07:44] <clint-> lol
[07:44] <clint-> yep :)
[07:44] <slew> smo, thanks i dont feel AS retarded now =]
[07:44] <n0dl> that like adds up to 200%
[07:44] <patfm> that's 200% what a bargain :)
[07:44] <nightwing> I keep getting readonly error messages on my mp3 player, and not sure how to fix it at this point (tried the instructions in the ubuntuguide to mount windows partitions)
[07:44] <OptiPlex> heh, my uncle told me 'linux doesn't have a GUI'
[07:44] <smokey> when i click on my trash icon, and choose open in new window, I get a window that says Malformed URL trash:/   whats going wrong?
[07:44] <OptiPlex> lol
[07:44] <OptiPlex> :]
[07:44] <n0dl> nighwing: did you get the w32 codecs?
[07:44] <clint-> at least computers have improved alot. whats there to bitch about :-)
[07:44] <clint-> pardon my language
[07:45] <OptiPlex> Im gonna take the generic CS major now, so I'll be done with that moron's classes
[07:45] <clint-> I am soon going to be getting into Clustering.. etc.. Supercomputer like Menipulation :D
[07:45] <n0dl> some guy told me that linux was a gateway to communism and the devil
[07:45] <clint-> cool
[07:45] <OptiPlex> heh, I miss my 486
[07:45] <OptiPlex> it is
[07:45] <clint-> I go to www.robertmorris.edu/cs/
[07:45] <clint-> opti
[07:45] <highvoltage> OptiPlex: you are?
[07:45] <OptiPlex> however, the devil has nothing to do with it
[07:45] <OptiPlex> heh, yeah
[07:45] <clint-> get this
[07:45] <nightwing> nightwing: I have those...
[07:45] <patfm> when configuring xorg.conf, does "nv" refer to nvidia?
[07:45] <nightwing> Er, n0dl: I have those
[07:45] <OptiPlex> clint: gotta be better than our curriculum
[07:45] <smo> I find clustering an interesting concept.  everything I've worked with steps in the other direction .. putting multiple VM's in one box.  then the cluster guys go put one system across many boxes
[07:46] <clint-> this is what the open source is
[07:46] <OptiPlex> 'i' am the devil lol
[07:46] <smo> patfm, nv is the free nvidia driver, 'nvidia' is the closer-source one
[07:46] <n0dl> nightwing: did you get the gstreamer plugins?
[07:46] <n0dl> lol
[07:46] <marco> hey guys, i want to get realplayer and i'm still adjusting to ubuntu... any advice?
[07:46] <nightwing> those too...
[07:46] <n0dl> i dont really think linux is communist
[07:46] <clint-> " In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?"   :-) go that from lynucs site
[07:46] <n0dl> nightwing: what are you using to play mp3s?
[07:46] <clint-> got*
[07:46] <OptiPlex> i have heard 'linux is communism, you will have no mind or GUI if you use linux, you will never have games or hardware support, you wont be able to use mp3s'
[07:46] <patfm> smo do you have a recommendation?
[07:46] <n0dl> clint-: thats clever
[07:46] <clint-> very :)
[07:47] <n0dl> hahaha lies
[07:47] <n0dl> clint-: did you hear this one quote by bonzodog
[07:47] <OptiPlex> wtf, i havea  GUI, games, hw support, and Im listening to my Rammstein record with my mp3 player and typing on my sisters doze box whilst downloading crap
[07:47] <clint-> the people that pu out the hardware for the software to work and run better. now they are the clever 1's aren't they
[07:47] <smo> patfm, best bet is to stick with nv unless you have a specific need for 3d acceleration & such.  it'll cause less headaches
[07:47] <nightwing> n0dl: My problem is my mp3 player (a Sandisk Sansa, supposed to work like a removable USB drive) wont' let me read or write any files to or from the mp3 player, despite it mounting (I'm in breezy)
[07:47] <OptiPlex> i still dont have a mind
[07:47] <n0dl> clint-: I heard if you play a windows cd backwards you hear the devil... Thats nothing... I heard if you play it forward itr installs windows!
[07:47] <clint-> lmfao
[07:47] <OptiPlex> :]
[07:48] <clint-> if you play it at all.. it begins to decrease performance like a relationship :-)
[07:48] <OptiPlex> it said windows 98 or better so i uinstalled linux , my webserver instructor loves that one
[07:48] <n0dl> clint- lol
[07:48] <OptiPlex> his class is the only one i didnt drop
[07:48] <OptiPlex> even though he H8Z bsd, and thinks RH is d4 b0mb
[07:48] <clint-> its like when someone gets marrired.. all is good for about a couple weeks, then it begins to have problems. just like  a car / vehicle etc
[07:49] <clint-> thats life for ya.. nothing perfect.. that make it fun :D
[07:49] <n0dl> nightwing: hmmm... so it mounted... well did you try extracting the files?
[07:49] <OptiPlex> linux !=communism, linux=socialism and BSD=communism if you wanna get technical :]
[07:49] <rjordan> OptiPlex: and they let him teach?
[07:49] <clint-> opti lol
[07:49] <marco> do i use apt-get to get realplayer... anyone?
[07:49] <OptiPlex> rjordan: at least he isnt a M$ sheep like the other guy
[07:50] <OptiPlex> the other guy told me NO ONE HACKS A LINUX BOX BECAUSE THEY DONT HOLD CC #S
[07:50] <smo> marco, if you have the multiverse repository, yes
[07:50] <n0dl> i wonder if my college profs will badger me about using linux
[07:50] <n0dl> hehe badger...
[07:50] <clint-> thing  is, I don't worry about what other people want me to do, I do what I feel is right and desire,, I have proven to myself so much because it is I , that chooses to make the decision wthether it is right or wrong. or if it benefits me or not
[07:50] <OptiPlex> and that PEOPLE ONLY RUN WEBSERVERS ON LINUX, he said that crap
[07:50] <marco> ok... thanks
[07:50] <OptiPlex> our student registration database is on a SUN, wtf n00bs teaching
[07:50] <clint-> yeah mine did too
[07:50] <nightwing> n0dl: I can't copy any mp3s from my hard drive to the player... which is the problem (I bought the mp3 player today)
[07:50] <rjordan> OptiPlex: riiight cause there are NO webserveers out there that process credit cards...
[07:50] <OptiPlex> lol n0dl: d4 badgerz
[07:51] <n0dl> OptiPlex: lol
[07:51] <clint-> I run multiple systems, I do what I want. its like people on mtv cribs have a few cars, and crap, I have what I have
[07:51] <OptiPlex> I was also told that MCSE peeps made d4 money, and that SUN  certification was useless
[07:51] <OptiPlex> however the RH guy scoffed when I told him about this crap
[07:51] <IguanaNed> OptiPlex: thanks,,, looks like the 'expert mode worked
[07:51] <OptiPlex> he was like *shakes head*
[07:51] <OptiPlex> and didnt say jack irl
[07:52] <n0dl> nightwing: hmmm... akward... do you know if your mp3 player is linux compatible?
[07:52] <OptiPlex> iguana, did it install the GUI?
[07:52] <nightwing> n0dl: Yes, it should be (Sandisk)...
[07:52] <n0dl> i can see clint- on MTV
[07:52] <rjordan> lol, the sun folks should make d4 monies.
[07:52] <clint-> I have 2 nice systems.. 1 AMD Athlon XP 2600, 256 ddr ram, capable of 2 GB, 128 GeFORCE FX nvidia, 80 gB hdd seagate, $400, and not even max'd I didn't have the money for the amd 64 at the time. and x2 dual core processing wasn't even out at the time. neither do I care. I appreciate the things I have, and thank God I am not disabled
[07:52] <smo> nightwing: try mount -o remount,rw /media/whatever  and see if it changes anything.  if it does, you should beable to dig around udev.rules and make it a permenant change
[07:52] <nightwing> n0dl: It actually copied some files at first, but then stopped and just gave read-only errors
[07:52] <n0dl> And to my right you can see my beautifyul box
[07:53] <OptiPlex> my printer isnt supposed to be linux-compatible but it works...
[07:53] <IguanaNed> OPti: not sure yet... but It didn't go back to the login prompt after reboot
[07:53] <OptiPlex> heh
[07:53] <ree> what kind of filesystem rightwing?
[07:53] <n0dl> Its a nice dual boot system
[07:53] <OptiPlex> did it go to the 'ubuntu' login screen iguana?
[07:53] <patfm> how do i figure out what video mode my monitor supports?
[07:53] <clint-> doesn't ubuntu mean.. humanity to others?
[07:53] <nightwing> ree: vfat
[07:53] <OptiPlex> :]
[07:53] <clint-> or thats just the site huh.. applies there eh
[07:53] <IguanaNed> OPti: came up with Ubuntu configuration screen
[07:53] <smo> nightwing: hmm, that's something completely different .. pmount's default has errors=read-only, or something to that effect.  if it mounts r/w, then switches to r/o, it's choking on the filesystem somewhere
[07:54] <OptiPlex> thats a good sign iguana :]
[07:54] <nightwing> smo: I see...
[07:54] <clint-> i am on filetopia alot..
[07:54] <OptiPlex> i want an old RDI sparcbook
[07:54] <OptiPlex> .....real bad
[07:54] <nightwing> The player has two settings for USB compatibility (in the player itself): "MSC" and "Auto Detect" (which uses "MPT"(sp?))
[07:54] <clint-> got ubuntu all created :-)
[07:55] <clint-> gee. what a shame, I beat ubuntu to it.. :)
[07:55] <OptiPlex> i mean cmon, who carries something that will only run UNIX-related software to school these days?
[07:55] <OptiPlex> hm, ubuntu work on the laptop clint?
[07:55] <clint-> yep
[07:55] <clint-> hey OptiPlex
[07:55] <clint-> www.filetopia.com
[07:55] <OptiPlex> w00t :]
[07:55] <clint-> www.filletopia.org
[07:55] <clint-> come see what I did :-)
[07:56] <OptiPlex> stupid mmorpg is pwning me
[07:56] <clint-> ah
[07:56] <OptiPlex> www.juice.box.sk :]
[07:56] <clint-> phlak em :-)
[07:56] <OptiPlex> youll like that one
[07:56] <clint-> k
[07:56] <clint-> tyvm
[07:56] <clint-> i still need a little help with ubuntu
[07:56] <clint-> but I'm willing to hang in there
[07:56] <OptiPlex> i need a little help with bandwidth... heh
[07:57] <clint-> i can help you
[07:57] <smo> clint-, I still haven't caught what the problem was .. I've just seen you offering to leave for the past hour or so
[07:57] <clint-> I am going to school for Network Specialist
[07:57] <OptiPlex> heh I am too
[07:57] <OptiPlex> information systems / network admin
[07:57] <clint-> smo, you never answered my question
[07:57] <clint-> no big deal, I am going study
[07:58] <OptiPlex> i wonder if you can still run two dialup modems together to get 128k
[07:58] <nightwing> smo: Not sure what else to do at this point... guess if it doesn't work, will ultimately probably take the thing back to the store and file all this under "big Ubuntu fault" (and force dot go back to some portable CD player)
[07:58] <clint-> yeah you can double bandwidth
[07:58] <clint-> get into fiber optic lines
[07:58] <smo> nightwing, you said it gave two options .. did you try the other?
[07:58] <OptiPlex> heh, i dont remember how i did it but i made a single 56k modem to 128k at school.
[07:58] <IguanaNed> OptiPlex: do I need to run the "select and install packages"?
[07:58] <OptiPlex> everyone was screaming at me "HOW?!"
[07:58] <smo> OptiPlex, I believe they call that bonding .. should give you some google-fodder
[07:59] <rjordan> OptiPlex: we used to call that ISDN back when :)
[07:59] <OptiPlex> ooh, ty smo
[07:59] <clint-> it has to deal with it, because it is analog transmissions
[07:59] <n0dl> i used to call it AOL back then
[07:59] <OptiPlex> heh, ive never used ISDN lol
[07:59] <smo> I have a client on an isdn line, because they're out in the back-end of nowhere
[07:59] <clint-> I have 4 mb down, I have managed to hit 2 GB down however and 512 kbps up, half a mb pretty much
[07:59] <OptiPlex> smo: omfg you can get ISDN out in the sticks?
[08:00] <OptiPlex>    !!!
[08:00] <ubotu> well, ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[08:00] <clint-> I am going to buy a gigabit nic though, and also replace the 1 in my laptop, if not .get a better 1
[08:00] <smo> it's very fustrating sitting on 3meg at home, then getting a site call on 128k
[08:00] <patfm>  what's the command to force quit X?
[08:00] <clint-> Ophiocus,
[08:00] <smo> OptiPlex, they're only a mile or two past the radius for dsl
[08:00] <clint-> OptiPlex,
[08:00] <OptiPlex> if ISDN is available where I live, I 'will' be getting that. cable/dsl arent avail here.
[08:00] <rjordan> smo: we had the local red-cross chapter on isdn. the first month we had no idea but the line was very noisy and it autodialed every time it dropped. it mad elike 600 phone calls that month
[08:01] <OptiPlex> hm, if so smo then I should be able to get it
[08:01] <OptiPlex> im like 1 mile outside of cable range here
[08:01] <OptiPlex> maybe less
[08:01] <clint-> I am studying with building wireless community networks, etc,, securing them as well. more like for local people to connect too, then use supernodes
[08:01] <OptiPlex> they stop cable at the state line
[08:01] <OptiPlex> supernodes? :]
[08:01] <smo> cable's unrelated.  dsl and isdn both depend on your distance from the telephone exchange, as far as I know
[08:01] <clint-> drop as many lines in the house as you can
[08:01] <rjordan> OptiPlex: you should call your local cable commission and bitch about it.
[08:02] <marco> smo, i just downloaded realplayer, but the .bin file isn't executable... what can i do?
[08:02] <clint-> I am going have an OC soon
[08:02] <OptiPlex> irl, i should spam hatemail to time warner
[08:02] <nightwing> smo: AH, the other option's spelled "MTP"...same message ("you do not have permissions to copy to this folder")
[08:02] <OptiPlex> ...or protest outside their building
[08:02] <rob_p> patfm:  "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" should do it.
[08:02] <clint-> OC 768 is the highest level I can think of, being 40 GB max however I know they have faster,, Optical Carriers
[08:02] <OptiPlex> with all my hippie friends :]
[08:02] <OptiPlex> I heard OC's cost like $1 mil / yr.
[08:02] <rjordan> OptiPlex: whereabouts are you approx?
[08:02] <OptiPlex> ..some of em
[08:02] <clint-> its very expensive
[08:02] <clint-> college is going pay for my OC Shared line
[08:03] <OptiPlex> about 500 yds. into SC
[08:03] <smo> marco, chmod +x filename.bin   ./filename.bin
[08:03] <marco> smo, thanks
[08:03] <OptiPlex> 'right' across the line people get cable, and Im stuck on 28.8
[08:03] <OptiPlex> wtf
[08:03] <smo> (if anyone knows a better option for realplayer, please step in .. last time I tried, the installer in universe hung up trying to find the .bin in /root)
[08:04] <smo> ehm, s/universe/multiverse/
[08:04] <OptiPlex> omfg 20MB left on this lame mmorpg patch
[08:04] <OptiPlex> im logging this is bothering me
[08:05] <OptiPlex> www.juice.box.sk :']
[08:05] <nightwing> smo: IIRC there was a file missing for getting realplayer to install for me; a search on Ubuntu Forums found the name of it for me, and after installing it, running the .bin for realplayer worked OK for me
[08:06] <nightwing> smo: I'm not sure what to try next to get this mp3 player to work...
[08:06] <Gecko> Hello. I am trying to install ubuntu on an external usb harddisk. I have tried it before on another distribution. The perpetual trouble is after the install, you need to create an initrd that preloads some usb modules. However, I have now booted the live cd, and chrooted to my new install, but I find no mkinitrd script. What do I do?
[08:06] <smo> nightwing, I had no problem with the bin, I just prefer to point people to maintained packages where I can
[08:07] <Gecko> Sorry, nevermind. Google helps :)
[08:07] <smo> Gecko, you found initrd-tools?
[08:08] <clint-> see ya all,, here go debian :-)
[08:08] <smo> it took me longer to dpkg -S than it did for you to google .. ouch
[08:08] <kelbizzle> anyone know a good alarm clock?
[08:08] <clint-> bye opti
[08:08] <smo> kelbizzle, find something that makes a lot of noise, then take a look at 'at' ?
[08:09] <Gecko> smo, no, I found out how to use mkinitramfs :)
[08:09] <kelbizzle> thanks but not the answer I'm looking for?
[08:09] <rjordan> clint-: why are you ditching ubuntu?
[08:10] <smo> kelbizzle .. not sure what else to tell you .. I find drinking lots of water and leaving the window open wakes me up at the crack of dawn :)
[08:13] <imoy> i
[08:13] <orborde_> Where are the contents of, say, the Applications menu in Gnome stored?
[08:15] <smo> orborde_, I believe it's the sum of the .desktop files under /usr/share/applications/  .. there may be more to it however, as most people stick to a menu editor to change it ('smeg' comes to mind)
[08:16] <orborde_> smo: Thanks.
[08:17] <Madpilot> smo & orborde_: in Breezy, right-click the Applications menu and select Edit Menu - then go nuts
[08:18] <unique311> anybody home?
[08:18] <smo> yup
[08:18] <th3flawl3ss1> anybody using a DLink DWL-122 wireless USB adapter with ubuntu?
[08:18] <smo> and thanks, Madpilot
[08:18] <unique311> i need some help with this cdrw.
[08:19] <orborde_> Xfce is an interesting beastie. Quite nice, I say.
[08:19] <unique311> tried almost everything i could find online to get it to work.
[08:19] <unique311> but its a no go
[08:19] <d03boy> I have ubuntu installed on one partition, then I reinstalled winxp on another partition and now I need grub to be put back in as the MBR so that I can dual boot. Can someone provide me with a guide to do this?
[08:20] <unique311> its a HP CdWriter+ 8000. i know it works cause it can boot up the windows boot disc, and the ubuntu disc, but i can't erase a cdrw with it..
[08:20] <n0dl> orborde_: i got xfce on a clean install ( i installed Xfce as my main GUI with out ever installing GNOME first)
[08:20] <orborde_> d03boy: Stick in an Ubuntu Live CD and boot with that. You can then use sudo chroot /wherver/the/filesystem/is, and then run...something....%$&$. I forgot the rest :( Sorry.
[08:21] <orborde_> n0dl: How'd you do that?
[08:21] <smo> grub-install /dev/device, iirc
[08:21] <smo> unique311, what have you tried so far?
[08:21] <n0dl> onborde_: well... ive only been using linux for a month and this is what i did
[08:21] <unique311> cdrecord command, k3b
[08:22] <unique311> everything i found online about cdrw for ubuntu
[08:22] <n0dl> onborde: When i booted the Ubuntu CD i chose the Server install command to install the base system
[08:22] <unique311> i just placed a music cd in the drive, and it mounts
[08:22] <unique311> correctly
[08:22] <n0dl> onborde_: This means that no GUI is installed; no GNOME; no KDE nothing
[08:22] <n0dl> onborde_: Consequently this means no X Server either
[08:23] <unique311> the only thing i can think of as being the issue is the disc i'm trying to erase as being the problem.
[08:23] <n0dl> onborde_: so at this point i ran this command
[08:24] <smo> unique311, do you have a clean disk to try with?
[08:24] <unique311> no
[08:24] <n0dl> onborde_: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup
[08:24] <unique311> all i have around are cdrw's
[08:24] <n0dl> that was to back up my sources.list when i activated the repos
[08:24] <unique311> they work, i can erase them on my notebook easy.
[08:24] <smo> what error did cdrecord give? it's usually fairly descriptive
[08:25] <unique311> cdrecord: CD/DVD-recorder not ready
[08:25] <unique311> thats the error
[08:25] <n0dl> onborde_: the rest of that command was && sudo wget http://paste.ubuntu.ml/d2325 -O /etc/apt.sources.list
[08:26] <n0dl> after i did taht i sudo apt-get install xbase-clients package
[08:26] <n0dl> apt-get install xserver-xorg package
[08:26] <orborde_> n0dl: Why not just apt-get install xfce4 ?
[08:26] <n0dl> apt-get install x-window-system-core
[08:26] <n0dl> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[08:26] <n0dl> then startx