 is there a bug a for manual partitioning crashing calamares
[07:56] <guiverc> I'm not aware of one (or can't think of one)
 oh not crashing now
 so not sure reproducable
[19:02] <krytarik> https://lubuntu.me/donate/ - huh, I just noticed this page looks slightly broken.. :3
 krytarik: refresh your page completely
 was dealing with a "Too Many Plugins' response time problem on the site a few days ago a majority of plugins got prodded
[19:17] <krytarik> Ah!
 i reactivated I think the proper plugin
[19:17] <krytarik> And yeah, looks proper now.
 perfect
 krytarik: Check the other pages and let me know what's not working, because I disabled a ton of plugins, not sure what's broken from that.  We had a tooooon of plugins that I weren't sure were in use (no way to easily tell heh) so :)
 at least it's a fast fix
[22:30] <krytarik> Ok, I'll have a further look around.
 yep everything SHOULD be good tog
 good to go*
 the evil of the site responsiveness was WP-Statistics since the Dawn.  You just don't store statistics in the DB, it makes everything evil.
 anyways
[22:39] <krytarik> I'm not seeing anything else odd anyway.. :3
 good good


[12:30] <maxamillion> crabgrass: probably conky, i think its something to do with the double buffer ... but i could be wrong
[12:40] <crabgrass> maxamillion: yeah... looks like it is conky
[12:40] <crabgrass> maxamillion: i don't know much about conkyrc, and google is no help... is there any way i can have conky draw to it's own transparent window that doesnt (or does, i dont care) show up in the task list?
[12:41] <crabgrass> shit, and i just stopped system monitor.
[12:41] <crabgrass> how do i kill it with terminal?
[12:42] <DRF> ps -A to get the ID then kill <ID num> (may need sudo for the kill)
[12:44] <crabgrass> hmm, didn't work
[12:44] <crabgrass> oh well
[12:45] <crabgrass> fixing conky is the only thing i really care about
[12:54] <maxamillion> crabgrass: http://conky.sourceforge.net/
[01:11] <ThatTallGuy> crimsun: thanks loads for looking at this, but it's 1am here, I've got to get to bed -- if you have any suggestions put them in the pastebin page?  I'll check for them tomorrow.
[01:11] <crimsun> ThatTallGuy: if you don't prepend my nick, I'm likely to miss
[01:12] <ThatTallGuy> uh -- I did
[01:12] <crimsun> I'm in ~90 IRC channels; there's no way to track everyone.
[01:12] <ThatTallGuy> Oh -- you mean the pastbin page?  Sorry...
[01:12] <crimsun> yes.  I'll look now.
[01:13] <maxamillion> crimsun: you really in ~90 irc channels?
[01:13] <crimsun> yes
[01:13] <crimsun> several dozen IRC nets
[01:15] <crimsun> ThatTallGuy: amixer set 'External Amplifier' mute
[01:16] <crabgrass> /leave
[01:16] <maxamillion> crimsun: wow ... what irc client you use?
[01:16] <crimsun> maxamillion: irssi in screen.
[01:16] <maxamillion> crimsun: ah
[01:16] <ThatTallGuy> crimsun: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
[01:17] <crimsun> ThatTallGuy: amixer -c0 set 'External Amplifier' mute
[01:17] <ThatTallGuy> Simple mixer control 'External Amplifier',0
[01:17] <ThatTallGuy>   Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
[01:17] <ThatTallGuy>   Playback channels: Mono
[01:17] <ThatTallGuy>   Mono: Playback [off]
[01:17] <crimsun> right.  Now pastebin your /etc/asound.conf and ~/.asoundrc*
[01:19] <ThatTallGuy> asound.conf does not exist.  .asoundrc* appended to pastebin.
[01:21] <crimsun> I presume http://pastebin.ca/501273 ?
[01:22] <crimsun> you get a new URL if you update.
[01:22] <ThatTallGuy> Yes that's the one, sorry -- never heard of pastebin before, very useful tool
[01:24] <crimsun> yes, your ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf is invalid.
[01:24] <crimsun> There's no audio device on your system named "Names"
[01:24] <crimsun> 17:56 < ThatTallGuy> First cmd gives     0 [I82801CAICH3   ] : ICH - Intel
  --yeah, that would be invalid all right :)
[01:24] <crimsun> there is one called "I82801CAICH3"
[01:25] <crimsun> I would simply remove ~/.asoundrc*
[01:25] <crimsun> then log out and back in
[01:27] <ThatTallGuy> excellent -- alsamixer now works -- aplay makes sound -- gxine not working yet though, 1 sec
[01:29] <vidd> is there a know fix to the "xfburn dont burn iso's" issue?
[01:31] <ThatTallGuy> crimsun -- you're my new best friend :)  xmms works, don't know why gxine doesn't but don't care much.  Many thanks.
[01:31] <crimsun> np.
[01:31] <vidd> ThatTallGuy, what ya trying to do with gxine?
[01:31] <ThatTallGuy> Play an mp3
[01:32] <vidd> did you install libxine-extracodecs?
[01:33] <ThatTallGuy> gxine was not the app of choice, just what was installed with xubuntu.  No, is mp3 not supported by default?
[01:33] <vidd> no...mp3 is a proprietary codec
[01:34] <vidd> just like dvd playback is
[01:34] <ThatTallGuy> gxine going strong -- thanks.  Looking for the lightest-weight apps possible since machine is small and busily torrenting.
[01:35] <vidd> you want to play dvd's?
[01:36] <ThatTallGuy> No -- machine doesn't even have a cd player without the docking station, which I don't have on it normally.  It's a file server, a torrent server, a minimalist webserver, and a jukebox, that's all.
[01:36] <vidd> ....he said "all"....
[01:37] <bhagman88> hello
[01:37] <ThatTallGuy> Well... you'll stress that even more when I tell you that it's got 1.2+ TB of files to serve :)
[01:37] <vidd> thats about 3x more then whatthgis machine is
[01:38] <ThatTallGuy> External drive tower over USB.  http://www.addonics.com
[01:38] <vidd> this is a chatter, browser, email client
[01:38] <vidd> oh....on dvd player
[01:39] <ThatTallGuy> This machine serves the movies to my main laptop over wifi.
[01:39] <vidd> =]
[01:40] <ThatTallGuy> Anyway -- thanks a bunch, crimsun, appreciate the help.  Night all...
[01:40] <vidd> maxamillion, whats up with the lappy?
[01:43] <maxamillion> vidd: well i need something with newer packages than in debian to get optimal battery life, i want something more stable than ubuntu, and i want to try using a different distro for daily functions ... freebsd failed, archlinux failed, gentoo is in the process of failing .... think i might try vector linux next and use xfce instead of kde
[01:45] <maxamillion> negative
[01:45] <maxamillion> it would be Xebian if anything ;)
[01:50] <vidd_laptop> so is Xebian just a WORKING title...or is it to be a full scale launch? lol
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, can you name your recommendations for an HTML WYSIWYG app?
[01:53] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: WYSIWYG?
[01:53] <maxamillion> actually i gotta run ... bbl
[02:08] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: annnnd i'm home
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> wb
[02:08] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: thankies, so what were you talking about?
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> to answer your question....
[02:09] <vidd_laptop> WYSIWYG is What You See Is What You Get
[02:09] <vidd_laptop> we were talking HTML apps
[02:11] <maxamillion> i probably have in passing
[02:12] <greg> Hi folks. I was wondering what I can do to help with gutsy. Do they have their own IRC channel?
[02:12] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: uhmmm... so you basically just want something simple?
[02:12] <maxamillion> greg: you should join the -dev mailing lists
[02:12] <maxamillion> greg: check the link on the website
[02:12] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, yeah...nothing flashy
[02:13] <greg> check which link on which website? I get dev-announce and really don't know what I'm looking at.
[02:13] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: dillo
[02:14] <maxamillion> greg: http://www.xubuntu.org/devel <--- mailing list link on the right
[02:15] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, we love ya for it!
[02:16] <greg> great, thanks for the link.
[02:16] <maxamillion> greg: np
[02:17] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: aww thanks ... but nobody every uses it :/
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> that is SO not true.....
[02:17] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: i would bug radomir about the new theme more if i thought anyone actually referenced the site ...
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> i go there at least twice an install
[02:18] <maxamillion> :)
[02:18] <maxamillion> well that makes me feel a little better
[02:18] <maxamillion> jeebus gentoo is unique
[02:18] <maxamillion> sorry ... side note
[02:18] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, there is a theme change on the web site....
[02:19] <vidd_laptop> =\
[02:20] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: no, there isn't ... there is one being written at the moment
[02:20] <vidd_laptop> ah...
[02:20] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: it will look exactly like ubuntu.com accept with a xubuntu twist
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> there used to be a forum's page...what ever happened to it?
[02:21] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: wait, what?
[02:22] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: we lose our place on ubuntuforums.org?
[02:22] <vidd_laptop> there used to be a forum on the xubuntu page...not kidnapped and controlled by ubuntuforums
[02:24] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: no, there is one on xubuntu.info ... different site
[02:24] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: appears their site went down too ....
[02:26] <vidd_laptop> everything on ubuntuforums is ....well...ubuntu
[02:26] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: no, there is a little place for us
[02:27] <maxamillion> hmmm... well we used to, but they called it "xfce"
[02:28] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: looks like it just got thrown away with the addition of "Desktop Environments" section
[02:28] <vidd_laptop> there is no "distro-specific section"
[02:29] <maxamillion> nope
[02:29] <maxamillion> zero xubuntu love
[02:33] <vidd_laptop> they have thier own wiki....
[02:33] <Gerro> I don't think my fan is working in my laptop, help! i don't want it to overheat
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> yhey have thier own forums
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> no-one loves xubuntu...they wont even shipit to ya
[02:35] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: i will bring it up as an option to add a xubuntu specific forums module to our drupal setup on the site
[02:35] <Gerro> xubuntu is awesome
[02:35] <maxamillion> Gerro: uhmm, fan should be controled by acpi i would imagine
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> Gerro, we get no conical-love
[02:36] <maxamillion> canonical*
[02:36] <vidd_laptop> xubuntu gets treated like a second class citizen
[02:36] <maxamillion> we get minimal canonical love
[02:37] <vidd_laptop> ya...i think they love to ignore us
[02:37] <vidd_laptop> =\
[02:37] <maxamillion> its really a matter of user base, i think once we get as many users as kubuntu then canonical will start shipping xubuntu cds and maybe even start paying jani
[02:37] <vidd_laptop> it dont matter that we have the BEST tech help on the Net
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> which reminds me....
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> are they EVER going to ship a fully functional cd burner with xubuntu?????
[02:39] <maxamillion> yeah we do ... if i had a dollar for evertime i had someone say "wow, i should have come here first instead of trying around #ubuntu for the past X amount of time"
[02:39] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: well if graveman were officially supported by ubuntu, yes .... otherwise, no
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> xfburn dont burn iso's...just makes frisbee's
[02:39] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: the problem is getting a lightweight burner to be officially supported in main
[02:40] <vidd_laptop> why not get the one we have to WORK?
[02:40] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: i dunno
[02:40] <vidd_laptop> anyone know WHY it makes frisbee's and not iso's?
[02:41] <vidd_laptop> is there a hack around it?
[02:41] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: i actually have started using the command line for burning ... it just ends up being easier no more "omg, what button do i push?" or "where was that one feature i needed?" ... its just "man cdrecord" to refresh the memory and go on with life
[02:41] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: no clue
[02:44] <vidd_laptop> what is the CLI for burning an iso into a bootable disk?
[02:49] <vidd_laptop> looks like xfce gave up on xfburn in sept 2005!
[02:49] <atarinox> does anybody know the xorg entry to get my third mouse button to work as a double click?
[02:51] <maxamillion> atarinox: not off the top of my head, no
[02:52] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: yeah, don't doubt it
[02:52] <j1tters> hey. got a small prob. hopefully one of you have seen this before.
[02:52] <j1tters> fresh install of fiesty.  everything works great but.
[02:52] <j1tters> process whiptail is just sitting there taking up almost 100% of processor usage. any ideas?
[02:53] <maxamillion> oohhhhh
[02:54] <j1tters> hm. yeh me neither.
[02:54] <maxamillion> j1tters: its for displaying dialog boxes, just do a "killall whiptail" in the terminal and make sure to save session for future logins when you log out and you shouldn't have any problems after that .... not sure what auto started it, but i know its not supposed to
[02:54] <j1tters> just so you know. only thing weird is im running dual monitors with twinview. but that shouldnt have anything to do with it should it?
[02:55] <j1tters> oh thats so much better. !  thanks a ton maxamillion.  system is much snappier now.
[03:06] <maxamillion> j1tters: yeah, shouldn't matter ... i run dual monitors at work
[03:06] <maxamillion> j1tters: anytime :)
[03:07] <j1tters> well thanks much.
[03:07] <keb> are there any caveats or tips about compiling a custom kernel for xubuntu?
[03:07] <j1mc> hi maxamillion
[03:08] <j1mc> keb: any special reason you want to compile a customer kernel?
[03:08] <keb> i hear it will make my system run faster and leaner
[03:09] <j1tters> fiesty made dual moniter sooo much simpler. (well with an nvidia card that is)
[03:10] <j1mc> keb...  there are ways to do that w/o compiling a customer kernel.  or at least there are things that you can do that can speed up your system before considering the custome kernel option.
[03:10] <keb> ok, where can i read up on them
[03:10] <j1tters> like what jlmc?
[03:10] <j1mc> heh.  oh, i actually need to find the tips for you?  :)
[03:11] <keb> well i've already removed all the daemons i don't think are needed
[03:11] <keb> and uninstalled lots of packages
[03:11] <peepsalot> my xfce4-menu-plugin is taking up 235MB, does that sound right?
[03:11] <j1tters> heh no.
[03:12] <peepsalot> didn't think so :(
[03:12] <j1tters> no peeps that no was for jlmc not you
[03:12] <j1mc> keb: that sounds like a good approach.
[03:13] <keb> j1mc : ok what sorts of things would be next?
[03:13] <j1mc> removing the unused daemons will help quite a bit.
[03:14] <peepsalot> is there an xfce equivalent to gnome system monitor?
[03:14] <keb> peepsalot : i had that happen after i changed some menu items, but it went away next time i restarted X
[03:14] <j1mc> keb: not sure.  sorry.  i think if you google for "recompile kernel and performance" you can find some tips.
[03:14] <keb> thanks
[03:15] <j1mc> be careful, though.  i'd always keep a copy of the stock kernel available for boot.
[03:16] <keb> yeah, i have a 386 and 686 kernel of latest and previous versions in grub
[03:17] <j1mc> any special reason you want the extra fast performance?  do you have a really slow machine?
[03:18] <keb> it isnt really slow, i just find somethings sluggish , e.g. switching windows
[03:18] <bordy240> Anyone here on a Thinkpad 600 by any chance?
[03:19] <j1tters> anyone running beryl?
[03:19] <keb> not running beryl anymore
[03:20] <j1mc> i used to run beryl, too
[03:20] <keb> i didnt find any functional advantages to beryl
[03:20] <j1tters> ahh. thats what i was wondering.
[03:20] <maxamillion> i ran beryl, got annoyed ... made me less productive
[03:21] <keb> the instant window thumbnail view might have been handy sometimes
[03:21] <odat> help
[03:21] <odat> lost the entire desktop after restart and it keeps freezing
[03:22] <pirate-king> hello
[03:23] <odat> lost the entire desktop after restart and it keeps freezing
[03:26] <odat> lost the entire desktop after restart and it keeps freezing
[03:26] <pirate-king> Im running xubuntu got 2 drives in th pc how do access the other drive
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> pirate-king, what is on the other drive?
[03:28] <pirate-king> nothing
[03:28] <pirate-king> want it for hard drive space
[03:28] <bordy240> nobody happens to be using a thinkpad 600?
[03:28] <pirate-king> one is ice where the files for the pc are
[03:29] <pirate-king> one is ide where the files for the pc are
[03:29] <bordy240> or happen to know where I can find a suitable xorg.conf file for my thinkpad so it stops flickering on me?
[03:29] <j1mc> bordy240: when does it flicker?
[03:29] <bordy240> anytime x is running
[03:29] <bordy240> and I am crap with xorg files
[03:30] <vidd_laptop> pirate-king, was the drive there when you installed? or is it newly added?
[03:30] <odat> lost the entire desktop after restart and it keeps freezing
[03:30] <vidd_laptop> pirate-king, try this: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch27_:_Expanding_Disk_Capacity
[03:30] <pirate-king> was ther
[03:31] <pirate-king> ok
[03:31] <pirate-king> was  there when installed
[03:32] <j1mc> bordy240: it doesn't flicker when x isn't running?
[03:32] <bordy240> well, not in console mode no
[03:33] <bordy240> for example, I can run puppy linux from the CD like intended, and it wont flicker for some reason... but if I run it installed, it does. very strange.
[03:33] <j1mc> hm.  weird.  can you put your xorg.conf file up in pastebin?  (see the topic of the channel for info on pastebin)
[03:33] <bordy240> yeah doing now
[03:34] <j1mc> thanks.
[03:35] <bordy240> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21919/
[03:36] <odat> how do i remove an entire directory from the command line
[03:36] <keb> odat: rm -rf directoryname
[03:36] <j1mc> odat: very carefully :)
[03:37] <j1mc> bordy240: can you also do the same after entering "lspci" and "lsmod" into the command line?
[03:37] <maxamillion> odat: use that command as though it were a gun, be very sure you want to pull the trigger
[03:37] <j1mc> odat: keb is right, though...  that's the command.
[03:38] <j1mc> odat: if you don't wnat to "force" it, you can just do "rm -r name_of_directory"
[03:38] <j1tters> ok this is probably simple. how do i get all 4 buttons of my usb 4 button mouse working?
[03:39] <bordy240> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21920/
[03:39] <maxamillion> jeebus i hate waiting for kernels to compile ....
[03:40] <bordy240> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21921/
[03:40] <bordy240> lspci is first, then lsmod
[03:40] <j1mc> bordy240: thanks... give me a bit of time to look at them.
[03:42] <keb> hmm libpci2 is listed in sympatic as obsolete but lots of packages depend on it (e.g. gdm, hal, ivman, gnome-mount, thunar, xfce4-session)
[03:42] <keb> *synaptic
[03:42] <BFTD> how do I force eject a drive?
[03:42] <BFTD> I'm installing a game via wine
[03:43] <keb> BFTD : eject /dev/hdc
[03:43] <keb> sudo ...
[03:44] <maxamillion> BFTD: the drive might be busy, you might have to kill the process holding onto the drive
[03:44] <BFTD> maxamillion but I don't, then I'd have to kill the installation
[03:44] <BFTD> I just need to switch disk's
[03:44] <maxamillion> BFTD: i could be wrong though ... the command keb gave you should work, if not then try unmounting it first
[03:45] <maxamillion> BFTD: ahhh ok
[03:45] <j1mc> bordy240: try setting the default color depth to 16
[03:45] <keb> yeah it wont eject or unmount if root (wine) has got ahold of it
[03:45] <j1mc> to do that, first, backup your xorg.conf file
[03:45] <j1mc> do you know where that is located?
[03:45] <bordy240> yep
[03:47] <maxamillion> wait ... no way ...
[03:47] <maxamillion> this might be the fastest kernel compilation i have ever seen
[03:47] <odat> lost the entire desktop after restart and it keeps freezing
[03:47] <maxamillion> jeebus ... that was FAST
[03:47] <maxamillion> 5 minutes
[03:47] <j1mc> what are you doing, maxamillion ?
[03:48] <maxamillion> j1mc: installing gentoo on my laptop
[03:48] <bordy240> j1mc: OMG! That was sdamn easy... how the HELL! lol.
[03:48] <maxamillion> !language | bordy240
[03:48] <ubotu> bordy240: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:48] <bordy240> apologize, maxamillion... so excited!
[03:48] <j1mc> bordy240: did it work?  changing the default dept?
[03:49] <maxamillion> bordy240: no worries, just some people are easily offended and we attempt to appeal to everyone :)
[03:49] <bordy240> maxamillion: oh no, I understand. I am running into moderation issues w/i my loco right now... gotta keep everyone at peace
[03:49] <bordy240> j1mc yes it did! such a simple fix too...
[03:49] <j1mc> bordy240: it sounds like X works now.  was it because you changed the default depth?
[03:50] <j1mc> oh, cool.
[03:50] <odat> lost the entire desktop after restart and it keeps freezing
[03:50] <bordy240> j1mc: right now i am running vectorlinux (keep trying new distros hoping one would work)... but if I were to go back to xubuntu, would this xorg.conf file work there too?
[03:50] <j1mc> a friend on a thinkpad t20 had an xserver issue, and after researching it, that helped, so...
[03:50] <bordy240> that did it... looks beautiful now, clean, the text isnt choppy and there is no flicker
[03:51] <j1mc> bordy240: not sure.  you would use the neomagic driver, though, and the default depth would be set to 16.
[04:01] <odat> how do i remove a with purge
[04:01] <odat> in the command line
[04:02] <bordy240> just a lil off-topic, but it must be done: zomg heroes.
[04:10] <peepsalot> bordy240, did you ever know that you're my hero?
[04:10] <keb> pls do not break into song ;)
[04:11] <bordy240> +1
[04:12] <peepsalot> just sayin
[04:12] <peepsalot> you're the wind beneath my wings
[04:12] <keb> :x
[04:13] <peepsalot> don't worry, i'm done :D
[04:14] <keb> odat: did you run a memtest recently?  your system could be freezing due to bad ram
[04:16] <peepsalot> how can i restart my panel?
[04:17] <keb>  /usr/bin/xfce4-panel
[04:17] <keb> might have to kill the old one first ;)
[04:20] <peepsalot> hmm, so i killed the xfce menu a few minutes ago.  obviously, it disappears from the panel.  i thought that restarting the panel would bring it back though.
[04:20] <keb> the menu is a separate process from the panel
[04:21] <peepsalot> yeah, i figured the panel automatically loaded it though, like a child process or something
[04:21] <peepsalot> sooo, do you know how i might get my menu back?
[04:23] <keb> does the menu work with right-click on your desktop?
[04:24] <peepsalot> yeah
[04:24] <keb> ok then you just need to add an applet to the panel
[04:24] <keb> right click on panel, add item
[04:24] <keb> and xfce menu should be in the list of possible items to add
[04:49] <maxamillion> heh... nothing like getting banned from #gentoo
[05:13] <HellTrade> can i encrypt the partition?
[05:15] <peepsalot> what partition
[05:15] <HellTrade> the one where the system is on
[05:15] <HellTrade> and the swap
[05:16] <HellTrade> on thep c is also crappy windows
[05:16] <HellTrade> I need it for some software
[05:16] <HellTrade> I am brand new
[05:16] <HellTrade> just installed I am so happy beside some problems
[05:16] <HellTrade> that anny me
[05:16] <HellTrade> already did sudo
[05:16] <HellTrade> and some stuff
[05:16] <HellTrade> ;-)
[05:17] <peepsalot> http://polishlinux.org/howtos/encrypted-home-partition-in-linux/
[05:17] <HellTrade> thanks can I also resize - I rad the windows one could vanish
[05:18] <HellTrade> read I meant
[05:18] <peepsalot> you can try, might wanna backup before though
[05:18] <peepsalot> google GParted LiveCD
[05:18] <HellTrade> oh no
[05:18] <HellTrade> I would go mad only to istall all that crap
[05:18] <HellTrade> I am just making another hd free
[05:18] <HellTrade> can i install then also software on the other hd?
[05:19] <peepsalot> i have no idea what you are talking about
[05:19] <HellTrade> I think I found one more site because of the stupid graphics driver problem
[05:19] <HellTrade> I mean
[05:19] <HellTrade> some programms on harddisk that is with ubuntu and win
[05:19] <HellTrade> and now with another hd
[05:19] <HellTrade> also there programms or lets the system install you software (programs on the partition where it is itself (kernel)
[05:21] <GTroy_> can I endorse 2.6.21?
[05:21] <GTroy_> good stuff
[05:22] <GTroy_> once I changed to 2.6.21 I haven't had any swap usage at all
[05:25] <peepsalot> lol encrypting swap, i just re-read that.  probably better to just disable swap entirely
[05:26] <peepsalot> GTroy_, does 2.6.21 have that revolutionary new scheduler i read about not too long ago?
[05:26] <GTroy_> yah
[05:27] <peepsalot> neato
[05:27] <GTroy_> peepsalot, it's cool
[05:27] <peepsalot> you know what it's called, can't remember
[05:27] <peepsalot> the scheduler algorithm
[05:28] <GTroy_> timing ticks
[05:28] <GTroy_> something like that
[05:28] <GTroy_> too
[05:29] <peepsalot> found it, completely fair scheduler http://kerneltrap.org/node/8059
[05:50] <peepsalot> so it looks like F11 is a shortcut to go to fullscreen, can I override this shortcut?
[06:16] <pirate-king> i installed xmms how do I get it to play mp3's
[06:18] <Catoptromancy> you have codecs?
[06:18] <pirate-king> nope
[06:20] <Catoptromancy> Well im on wrong OS, or else I would have list heh
[06:20] <Catoptromancy> sudo aptitude install "find some codecs"
[06:20] <Catoptromancy> ok....
[08:57] <aboyousif> good morning
[09:02] <maxamillion> yes, it is turning out to be so
[09:02] <maxamillion> :)
[09:34] <albertmk> I am having problems: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21945/
[09:35] <Merchelo> does the file exist?
[09:36] <Merchelo> /build/buildd/gdal-1.3.2/debian/tmp/usr/lib/libgdal1.3.2.so
[09:36] <albertmk> let me see
[09:36] <albertmk> the folder buildd doesnt even exist
[09:37] <maxamillion> Merchelo: yeah, that is completely non-supported software ... you might want to get in contact with the project's support team, i honestly wouldn't even know where to begin to try to help you with that
[09:38] <albertmk> ?
[09:39] <Merchelo> yeah, I was just thinking the same from the build error :/
[09:40] <Merchelo> albertmk: probably best to get in touch with the people at openmodeller
[09:40] <albertmk> but I am part of openmodeller..
[09:41] <albertmk> I ll have to talk with the developer
[12:32] <XMR2F77> hi, where do i find the packages for xubuntu in the internet
[12:33] <XMR2F77> like pool
[12:34] <XMR2F77> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool
[12:36] <Myrtti> they're there
[12:36] <XMR2F77> i found m, used #debian-bots to find
[12:37] <XMR2F77> whats the default office ( like openoffice ) writer in xubuntu
[12:38] <Myrtti> abiword
[12:39] <XMR2F77> nice, thanx mate
[12:39] <Myrtti> sure ;-)
[12:40] <sander> hello xubuntu peepz !  first time i'm here,  discovering xubuntu,  and uhm..  i'm not an linux user so need some help sometimes,  but its great how it works on an old laptop!
[12:40] <Myrtti> XMR2F77: wrong sex though :-)
[12:40] <XMR2F77> ? :) doesnt matter
[12:41] <XMR2F77> to me
[12:42] <XMR2F77> like now <sander> ?
[12:43] <sander> google and ubuntu forum helps me a lot...
[12:44] <XMR2F77> #ubuntu-bots and #debian-bots help me alot too
[12:45] <sander> hmm ty,  adding this chans..
[12:45] <XMR2F77> np
[03:18] <cliebow_> using wireshark what should the print command be besides lpr?
[03:19] <Riot777> anyone know something about that: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2699735 I got the same problem :P
[05:27] <montag_> hi, i've installed compiz on xubuntu  feisty fawn, but now my font size go crazy, some fonts big, some fonts small....how set global font size ?
[06:10] <bordy240> hey folks... anyone know how to get my xircom realport pcmcia card working in xubuntu?
[06:11] <TheSheep> !pcmcia | bordy240
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pcmcia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <TheSheep> :/
[06:11] <TheSheep> bordy240: search on forums.ubuntu.com
[06:46] <bordy240> evidently I have to edit my grub to add "pnpbios=off acpi=off" but I have no idea how to do that, or to save it afterwards. lol
[06:46] <TheSheep> bordy240: press 'esc' when booting, then press 'e'
[06:47] <TheSheep> bordy240: once the system is up, you just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:48] <bordy240> I do that after I press e?
[06:48] <bordy240> or once I am actually into the system
[06:48] <peepsalot> how can i auto arrange icons on the desktop, it's driving me nuts, i can't find anything
[06:54] <peepsalot> anyone aroud?
[06:54] <peepsalot> around
[06:56] <grazie> peepsalot: dunno...but as desktop icons were only recently added by the xfce team due to popular demand it's probably not supported
[06:57] <grazie> bordy240: as TheSheep says, to do it as boot hit 'esc' and then hit 'e'
[06:58] <peepsalot> hmm, i wonder if a script could be written to arrange icons.  does anyone know where the icon placement data might be stored?
[06:58] <grazie> bordy240: to make the change permanent edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:59] <grazie> at boot* ^^
[07:02] <grazie> TheSheep: you know an irc channel were i can get a little broadband support? My isp has been useless, but I'm making some progress.
[07:05] <bordy240> grazie: at boot, when I hit esc and then hit e, what do I do there?
[07:07] <abd> I'm playing mpeg on gxine properly , when I installed mplayer I get error to intialize video :O .. so anyone help me to play  .avi videos ?????
[07:07] <grazie> bordy240: add the paramaters you mentioned to the right line in the boot file
[07:07] <TheSheep> abd: you need to select proper -vo opetion first
[07:07] <bordy240> grazie: I see root, kernel, initrd, quiet, savedefault
[07:09] <grazie> bordy240: on the kernel line...but if TheSheep says you need ^^ you need that too :)
[07:10] <abd> mplayer can play .avi
[07:10] <abd> ?
[07:10] <hyper_ch> hiho
[07:10] <bordy240> this is scary!
[07:11] <grazie> bordy240: will your computer boot without adding those paramaters?
[07:11] <bordy240> yes it will. I am trying to get my xircom card to be recognized.
[07:12] <grazie> bordy240: best boot and edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:12] <bordy240> instad of doing it before booting?
[07:13] <grazie> bordy240: yeah
[07:13] <bordy240> Antyhing special I need to do aside from just adding the line somewhere?
[07:13] <hyper_ch> anyone knows how I can convert a OOo writer doc into a pdf... but not a pdf that still contains the text but one that has been converted into "images (pictures)"?
[07:14] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: why?
[07:14] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: because I don't want to have it auto-indexed
[07:15] <grazie> bordy240: you add those parameters to the line starting kernel (if there's more than 1, then to every kernel line tHat needs it)
[07:16] <bordy240> youch.
[07:16] <bordy240> I am so happy I finally got xubuntu working right.... 3 weeks of distro swapping, all because of th esame issues... and all I had to do was change depth from 24 to 16. lol
[07:17] <hyper_ch> bordy240: why do you need to change the color depth?
[07:18] <grazie> bordy240: you'll need to reboot of course once edited. Play with the 'esc' option another time maybe
[07:18] <bordy240> hyper_ch: no idea... before I did it all the text was choppy and the screen had a wicked (but mild) flicker.
[07:18] <bordy240> now its perfect.
[07:19] <bordy240> grazie: do I add it just like pnpbios=off acpi=off ?
[07:20] <grazie> bordy240: if you been told the following will fix your problem then add "pnpbios=off acpi=off" to the line(s) starting with "kernel"
[07:21] <bordy240> sweet. sorry for all the questions.
[07:21] <grazie> bordy240: without the quotes :)
[07:27] <SerCanii> hi, my xubuntu desktop manager crashes and restart when I try to open terminal application :( how can I fix
[07:28] <abd> TheSheep: I re-installed mplayer plz be patient & help me ....
[07:30] <MrC_> hi
[07:31] <MrC_> does anyone knows how to change the theme in xubuntu?
[07:31] <TheSheep> abd: try 'mplayer -vo help'
[07:31] <TheSheep> MrC_: settings->user interface settings
[07:32] <MrC_> ok
[07:32] <bordy240> TheSheep and Grazie: That didn't work after I rebooted... don't I need to update grub or something to that effect?
[07:33] <TheSheep> no
[07:33] <MrC_> i can't find it
[07:34] <MrC_> sorry i've found it
[07:38] <SerCanii> does anybody know how to fix it?
[07:40] <grazie> SerCanii: have you tried opening a virtual console?
[07:41] <SerCanii> no, how can I open wirtual desktop, I only write my comands via pressin f2+alt and type the command in run dialog box
[07:43] <SerCanii> how can I open-run virtual console?
[07:43] <grazie> alt+ctrl+f1
[07:44] <SerCanii> thnxs
[07:44] <grazie> use alt+ctrl+f7 to return to desktop
[07:46] <MrC_> how do i install theme on xubuntu?i have a long time ago,but now i don't remember
[07:46] <SerCanii> I'll try it, i need a console to connect internet... Im using wifi :(      Thanks again.. and last info is usefull 4 me
[07:51] <MrC_> anyone there?
[07:56] <grazie> MrC_: Download the theme and unpack to ~/.themes (for your use only) or to the system theme folder for everyone to use
[07:57] <grazie> /usr/share/themes (is the system theme folder)
[07:58] <MrC_> grazie amico
[07:58] <grazie> no problemo
[08:17] <peepsalot> aha! ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/icons.screen0.rc
[08:18] <peepsalot> now all i gotta do is write a program to arrange the data in that file
[08:26] <MrC_> I am trying to install some themes on Xubuntu,but when i try to extract the files it says:"You don't have the right permissions to extract archives in the folder "/usr/share/themes"
[08:26] <MrC_> how do i install it then?
[08:44] <TheSheep> MrC_: extract them in your home dircetory and copy over as root
[08:45] <MrC_> i have tried that
[08:45] <MrC_> but it won't go
[08:46] <TheSheep> MrC_: open a terminal and type 'gksu Thunar'
[08:46] <MrC_> ok
[08:47] <jeriko> anyone know if xubuntu can be booted off usb via qemu from within window?
[08:47] <jeriko> windows*
[08:47] <TheSheep> jeriko: why not
[08:48] <jeriko> know of howto doc?
[08:48] <TheSheep> !install | jeriko
[08:48] <ubotu> jeriko: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[08:51] <jeriko> looks like this is all for booting via usb device
[08:55] <TheSheep> jeriko: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB
[08:55] <jeriko> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/03/09/use-qemu-to-boot-linux-from-windows/
[08:56] <jeriko> that last link you posted has no reference to qemu virtual boot
[08:56] <TheSheep> jeriko: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/QemuEmulator
[08:57] <TheSheep> jeriko: virtual usb orreal usb -- they are all the same *inside*
[08:57] <TheSheep> jeriko: but you don't want to boot from usb
[08:58] <jeriko> oh cool
[08:58] <jeriko> reading now thx
[09:02] <c00hjn> !record
[09:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about record - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <c00hjn> does anyone know a program I can use to record sound with the mic?
[09:05] <Maybelline> c00hjn: audacity
[09:06] <c00hjn> Maybelline, thanks!
[09:06] <Maybelline> c00hjn: no problem.  It's ugly, but it works pretty well.
[09:06] <tors> :)
[09:18] <Korijn> Hello
[09:18] <tors> Hi Korijn
[09:18] <Korijn> I have a simple question about ndiswrapper
[09:19] <Korijn> I downloaded the package from their site (ndiswrapper-1.44.tar.gz) and tried to install it following the instructions in the INSTALL file
[09:19] <Korijn> And it gives me a whole bunch of errors :o
[09:19] <Korijn> I'm using the latest version of xubuntu!
[09:19] <Korijn> Anyone willing to help me out?
[09:20] <TheSheep> Korijn: I think there is ndiswrapper in the ubuntu repositories
[09:20] <TheSheep> Korijn: already compiled and installed, you only have to install the package
[09:20] <Korijn> Yes, I've read about that
[09:20] <TheSheep> !info ndiswrapper
[09:20] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:20] <TheSheep> hmm...
[09:20] <Korijn> I put the xubuntu cd in the drive and tried to find the package using the search thing
[09:21] <Korijn> searching for 'ndis'
[09:21] <Korijn> the package is called ndiswrapper-utils, isn't it?
[09:21] <Korijn> !info ndiswrapper-utils
[09:21] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper-utils does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:21] <Korijn> oh.
[09:21] <TheSheep> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ndiswrapper&searchon=names&subword=1&version=feisty&release=all
[09:21] <TheSheep> weird
[09:21] <TheSheep> must be broken
[09:22] <TheSheep> the !info thing, I mean
[09:22] <TheSheep> because the package is there
[09:22] <Seveas> !find ndiswrapper
[09:22] <ubotu> Found: linux-image-2.6.20-15-386, linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-15-server, linux-image-2.6.20-15-server-bigiron, ndiswrapper-common (and 3 others)
[09:22] <Seveas> !find ndiswrapper-utils
[09:22] <ubotu> Found: ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[09:22] <Seveas> there you go :)
[09:22] <Korijn> Alright...
[09:22] <Korijn> I recently switched to xubuntu... I just install it like I would on ubuntu?
[09:23] <TheSheep> Korijn: yes
[09:23] <Korijn> Ok
[09:23] <Korijn> Thanks a lot everyone
[09:23] <TheSheep> Korijn: here is the exact package http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[09:23] <Korijn> I'll give it a shot. If it doesn't work then I'll check back. :P
[09:23] <Korijn> It's on the xubuntu cd isn't it?
[09:24] <Korijn> nvm, brb!
[09:26] <Tigr> hello! I'm trying to install Xubuntu 6.06.1 on one of my computers. I get to the install screen and try to install it but it gets stuck at 100% when loading Linux Kernel. Anyone knows why?
[09:27] <TheSheep> Tigr: it tries to connect to the network and download the latest version of the kernel
[09:27] <Tigr> hmm
[09:27] <TheSheep> Tigr: downloading can take some time
[09:27] <Tigr> so I have to be connected to a network? :)
[09:28] <TheSheep> Tigr: no, then you get the kernel supplied on the cd
[09:29] <Tigr> hmm
[09:29] <Tigr> how do I install without the Loading Linux Kernel thing then?
[09:29] <TheSheep> Tigr: I think it tries to download the newst kernel if you configure the network in the instalator
[09:29] <TheSheep> Tigr: but I'm not sure
[09:35] <Tigr> hmm
[09:35] <Tigr> just trying Start or install Xubuntu
[09:46] <bordy240> TheSheep: somehow got my interwebs working.
[10:14] <Korijn> :(
[10:14] <Korijn> I don't get it.
[10:15] <Korijn> I tried installing the ndiswrapper package from the xubuntu disc using Synaptic
[10:15] <Korijn> And Add/Remove...
[10:16] <Korijn> But it just doesn't find the package :o
[10:16] <Korijn> What am I doing wrong?
[10:16] <Korijn> I tried sudo apt-get as well
[10:20] <somerville32> Is the disk a live cd?
[11:09] <kalikiana> Every time I watch a video, mplayer says "gnome_screensaver_control". I found some reports of this problem on the web, but nobody appears to have fixed it.
[11:09] <kalikiana> Does anyone know what to do?
[11:09] <maxamillion> kalikiana: no clue :(
[11:09] <maxamillion> kalikiana: how's the web browser coming along?
[11:10] <kalikiana> maxamillion, It's going good. The biggest problem is still webkit's incompleteness. :/
[11:18] <maxamillion> kalikiana: yeah .... i would imagine that to put a damper on things
[11:23] <Tigr> Anyone knows whats the problem is when Xubuntu-installation is stuck at 100% on Loading Linux Kernel?
[11:24] <somerville32> Tigr: Were you here earlier?
[11:24] <Tigr> ye
[11:24] <Tigr> still here :)
[11:24] <Tigr> still stuck on 100% :/
[11:24] <somerville32> lol
[11:24] <somerville32> Live cd or alternative cd?
[11:25] <Tigr> the non-alternative one I think
[11:25] <maxamillion> live
[11:25] <Tigr> altnerative looked like you could mess it up
[11:25] <Tigr> so I chose the first one
[11:25] <Tigr> :D
[11:25] <Tigr> Desktop CD
[11:26] <somerville32> Ok.
[11:26] <Tigr> Know what the problem could be?


[00:38] <rio_zenta> Does anybody know how to create a panel when using a single stretched screen across 2 monitors? My first screen has a panel but the second screen doesnt
[00:40] <knome> rio_zenta, from panel properties, enable "span monitors"
[00:40] <knome> rio_zenta, or create a new panel from that dialog.
[00:42] <rio_zenta> knome, thanks. I was just tinkering and found it.
[00:43] <rio_zenta> is there no way to make 2 separate ones though?
[00:43] <knome> there is, just add a new panel from the top of that dialog
[00:43] <knome> there is no way to *copy* a panel so you'd have the exact same one from the GUI
[00:43] <knome> but you can definitely recreate it
[00:46] <rio_zenta> knome, I found a lot of people asking for an option where 2 workspaces are shared between 2 monitors
[00:47] <knome> right
[00:49] <rio_zenta> do you think it's possible?
[00:50] <rio_zenta> apart from launching 2 x-servers
[01:21] <knome> rio_zenta, yes, but you'll need to create two virtual desktops
[01:21] <knome> rio_zenta, i don't understand why people want it so badly though, in my opinion it doesn't bring much to the table and definitely isn't worth the hassle
[01:30] <rio_zenta> knome, how so? It creates the opportunity to treat each screen as a sort of "terminal", but with the added power of being able to share things across them.
[01:32] <knome> rio_zenta, i use a dual-screen setup and i never feel like i'd need that feature
[01:35] <rio_zenta> how is your dual-screen setup? knome
[01:36] <knome> how in what way?
[01:37] <rio_zenta> Do you have the main screen and then all other screens on a "stretched" display? eg. "to the right of" and "to the left of" ?
[01:37] <knome> yes, i have two similar monitors and they are one single virtual desktop
[01:38] <rio_zenta> aah interesting. I have settled for that for now. the laptop screen and external monitor
[04:01] <nw_nick> hi, I keep getting an error when mounting my DVD-ROM filesystem. The error I get is  this Error mounting /dev/sr0 at /media/macchina1/My Files: Command-line `mount -t "iso9660" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,mode=0400,dmode=0500" "/dev/sr0" "/media/myusername/My Files"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: /dev/sr0 is already mounted or
[04:03] <nw_nick> I'm not using it and I can't mount it in any other way I tried
[04:04] <nw_nick> I'm currently using testdisk on a different device though, may it be its fault?
[04:10] <nw_nick> is anybody there please?
[10:16] <xubuntu27w> hi there
[10:17] <xubuntu27w> I've got a pro-blem with the update-manager after installing a fresh xubuntu 14.04
[10:18] <xubuntu27w> http://pastebin.com/rbtUR9Kp
[10:18] <xubuntu27w> here's the output.
[10:19] <xubuntu27w> if I try to re install (or even do a dpkg reconfigure) it fails to.
[10:21] <Unit193> xubuntu27w: Try  sudo dpkg --configure -a ; sudo apt-get install -f
[10:22] <xubuntu27w> ok
[10:24] <xubuntu27w> @Unit193: nope ... http://pastebin.com/71v6vsmy
[10:25] <xubuntu27w> I'm going mad- I've been trying to fix that for the past two hours :(
[10:25] <Unit193> Don't know how  you got into the mess, but I'd purge both notifier and manager, then install them.
[10:27] <xubuntu27w> Unit192: I tried that too and it says I can't do that because xubuntu-desktop depends on it
[10:27] <xubuntu27w> really really odd.
[10:27] <xubuntu27w> Never had that before
[10:28] <Luyin> xubuntu27w: perhaps your installation medium has been broken and led to that error?
[10:28] <xubuntu27w> @Luyin: but shouldn't the install simply fail then (and not go ahead?)
[10:29] <Luyin> not necessarily
[10:31] <xubuntu27w> hmmm... at the moment I am contemplating a re-install. But I've got shit to do :(
[10:34] <Luyin> xubuntu27w: personally, I'd do that too. it's the least messy solution. and you don't have to do it now, if you can still use the computer. or, you could use a live distro and work from that. but perhaps someone else's got another helpful idea.
[11:04] <xubuntu27w> Luyin, I sleep over that. It's just really annoying :(
[12:35] <xubuntu07w> hi
[14:46] <ochosi> sergio-br2: hey, just to let you know, i postponed all your workitems for elementary-xfce and released version 0.5, lemme know when/if you have time to contribute again
[14:46] <sergio-br2> cool
[14:47] <sergio-br2> yeah, I don't know when I will have time :p
[14:47] <sergio-br2> what work itens?
[14:49] <ochosi> https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/issues
[14:49] <ochosi> mostly mimes and categories
[14:49] <ochosi> the webapps i won't work on anytime soon
[14:52] <sergio-br2> lol, i forgot it
[14:52] <sergio-br2> heh
[14:52] <sergio-br2> the only one I did was lua
[14:53] <sergio-br2> ah, it's for 0.6 now, nice
[14:53] <ochosi> you can still send a MR for that if it's ready
[14:53] <ochosi> so it isn't lost
[14:53] <sergio-br2> sorry for the absent all this time :p
[14:54] <sergio-br2> ok
[14:54] <ochosi> but yeah, i don't care about lua files too much tbh ;)
[14:54] <ochosi> no problem
[15:06] <xubuntu32w> hello
[15:07] <knome> hello
[15:07] <xubuntu32w> i need some help
[15:07] <knome> just ask the question and if somebody knows the answer, they'll most likely reply
[15:08] <superprower> Hi, how do i kill process in tty mode? TY for anwser
[15:09] <superprower> Installed quake, launched it, but now i can't exit :D exit option won't work
[15:09] <knome> superprower, kill pid
[15:09] <knome> where pid is the process id
[15:09] <knome> ps -A to list all pids
[15:09] <superprower> ty
[15:09] <xubuntu32w> my graphics is a 82855gm but my computer uses the standard vga adapter. Need to know how to install correct driver. Running Xubuntu 14.04
[15:09] <knome> ps -A | grep quake helps find quakes pid
[15:10] <xubuntu32w> my graphics is a 82855gm but my computer uses the standard vga adapter. Need to know how to install correct driver. Running Xubuntu 14.04
[15:10] <knome> xubuntu32w, please don't repeat, we heard the question
[15:11] <superprower> yeah, it's worked, thank's you
[15:12] <xubuntu32w> i have tried to install ppa but doesn't wrk
[15:13] <xubuntu32w> also installed mesa-utils cant find on my computer
[15:17] <xubuntu32w> anyone find an answer
[15:17] <xubuntu56w> I have a problem
[15:18] <xubuntu32w> speak issue and someone will help
[15:18] <cfhowlett> !ask | xubuntu56w
[15:20] <xubuntu56w> I did not found any HD player,now I play SMplayer,but sound and video up down 2 or 3 second,any one can said which one best..?
[15:21] <xubuntu56w> VLC not good for my PC
[17:28] <Shurhaian> Hello everybody. I've got an old Acer TravelMate laptop I've inherited and am trying to use for some basic word processing, but I can't get the wireless to connect despite ndiswrapper thinking it's working. Could anyone offer some help with that?
[17:32] <holstein> Shurhaian: depending on how "new" you are, i may just get a USB dongle that "works out of the box" in linux
[17:32] <holstein> !wifi
[17:32] <holstein> Shurhaian: using ndiswrapper can be a bit of a hack..
[17:32] <holstein> i have used it with success, but, ideally, you can use a linux driver, native linux driver
[17:33] <Shurhaian> ndiswrapper is installed, and the neti2220 driver THINKS the hardware is present. Hrm.
[17:33] <Shurhaian> But it doesn't see ANY networks despite me being in an apartment complex that's lousy with them (my smartphone sure sees them).
[17:33] <holstein> i say, if it has a network connection, wired, just plug that in and update the OS, and see if you are offered any drivers
[17:34] <holstein> Shurhaian: run lspci and ifconfig, as suggested at !wifi and look for the chipset, and search by that..
[17:34] <holstein> could be, its easy to use the device without the windows driver
[17:34] <Shurhaian> Ah well; getting new hardware is a bit beyond my means at present. I'll try letting it update, and see if that helps the OTHER problem I was having - namely, trying to install LibreOffice failed (turned up a bunch of 404s).
[17:34] <holstein> Shurhaian: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[17:35] <holstein> ^ you'll need to be connected to the internet.. wired, since you are having issues with the wireless setup
[17:35] <Shurhaian> Right, working through these. I haven't had a chance to get familiar with it yet, so I'm a bit slower than I otherwise might be. ^^;
[17:44] <Shurhaian> Hm. Nothing there that I can see about InProComm chips, that's regrettable.
[17:47] <Shurhaian> Erm... tried that sudo apt-get etc line, entered my password, and it eventually spit out: "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)" then "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?"
[17:49] <drc> Shurhaian: Did you sudo all <three> commands?
[17:49] <Shurhaian> Oh. You're right, I did not. Sorry.
[17:50] <Shurhaian> Alright, now it's proceeding.
[18:12] <Shurhaian> holstein: thanks for the help. It's at least installing Libreoffice now, which it wasn't before. Seems the ndiswrapper driver for this card just doesn't want to behave, I'll take the USB dongle suggestion under consideration.
[18:18] <daniel_____> hello?
[18:31] <fabio> xfce4-volumed: how to change the volume step size?
[18:31] <fabio> perhaps using the same alsamixer scale that is more proportional
[18:51] <fabio> this is a big deal with large speakers
[18:56] <fabio> (too loud volume from a step to one more)
[20:04] <xubuntu39w> hello, is there a way to have Xubuntu mount exFAT drives as well?
[20:04] <xubuntu39w> I get an error with an external hard disk, supposedly unknow filesystem
[20:05] <xubuntu39w> I read that you could install exfat-fuse but maybe it isn't necessary?
[20:10] <xubuntu39w> btw I can't really mount through exfat-fuse either..
[20:10] <xubuntu39w> ok, now the filemanager itself can.. I don't know why the terminal for mount.ex-fat doesn't
[20:16] <O_OniGiri> Hi there
[20:18] <O_OniGiri> Yesterday I received my new laptop (HP ZBook 14) pre installed with Windows 8.1 using UEFI. Today I removed Windows and tried installing xubuntu, but I am getting errors after installation.
[20:18] <O_OniGiri> I get an error message saying: No bootable image was found.
[20:18] <O_OniGiri> Please help me.
[20:19] <brainwash> !uefi
[20:19] <O_OniGiri> I already tried following that link.
[20:20] <O_OniGiri> Still getting same error.
[20:20] <brainwash> sadly I'm not that familiar with uefi
[20:23] <SuperPrower> Hello. I used to hear about terminal - multi-window like programm, but i can't find it know. Anybody heard about something like this? It's not realy multi-window, it's terminals in terminal
[20:23] <brainwash> google returns some search results which indicate that HP's uefi implementation is somewhat broken
[20:23] <brainwash> O_OniGiri: I assume that you've already searched the interwebs, right?
[20:23] <O_OniGiri> yeah
[20:24] <SuperPrower> It's not the terminal, it's terminal programm*
[20:24] <brainwash> O_OniGiri: I suggest that you ask in #ubuntu also, because it's not a xubuntu specific issue
[20:24] <O_OniGiri> will try brainwash,  thanks
[20:25] <brainwash> SuperPrower: a terminal multiplexer?
[20:25] <SuperPrower> Not sure that i know what are you talking about, give me few secs pls
[20:28] <brainwash> SuperPrower: like https://launchpad.net/terminator
[20:28] <SuperPrower> This was TWIN (Textmode Window Environment) programm, but it looks like frozed. Is there any alternatives?
[20:28] <elfy> beat me to it ...
[20:29] <SuperPrower> and, brain, how do i write to you like you write to me? i'm prefer irssi, so i can't click your nick
[20:30] <brainwash> type the first letters of a user nick and then hit the TAB key for auto completion
[20:30] <SuperPrower> brainwash: oh, ty
[20:32] <brainwash> so, twin is a text based terminal emulator + window manager
[20:34] <SuperPrower> brainwash: yeah, so, all i could find it's very old articles. It's not in repos, and it's sourceforge site seems to be deleted. Is there an similliar programm? This is not really important, but still, i wan't to try something like that.
[20:36] <brainwash> SuperPrower: you can download the source code and compile it http://sourceforge.net/projects/twin/
[20:37] <brainwash> SuperPrower: actually https://github.com/cosmos72/twin
[20:43] <max12345> so... apt doesn't update my texmaker from 4.1 to 4.1.1 automatically. Why? Is this something I have to look out for?
[20:43] <max12345> that software just doesn't update like that?
[20:45] <brainwash> max12345: what does "apt-cache policy texmaker" return?
[20:45] <elfy> max12345: in trusty texmaker will stay at 4.1-1
[20:45] <elfy> versions of software generally don't change within a release
[20:46] <SuperPrower> brainwash: eeh.. so.. i downloaded zip from github, then in folder i run "./confige", next "make", and got many errors. Maaany errors. TY, anyway, it's almost night, so i'll read errors later.
[20:46] <max12345> installed 4.1-1 candidate 4.1-1
[20:47] <brainwash> SuperPrower: some dev packages are missing I guess. these packages are needed to build software
[20:48] <max12345> well ok but 4.1-1's copyright is from 2013... wouldn't that put it way back?
[20:49] <brainwash> max12345: you could upgrade to 14.10 (4.3-1) or request a backport of the newer version for 14.04
[20:52] <max12345> Hm I guess that makes sense... having the long term support version not update everything all the time... Didn't think about that
[20:54] <drc> SuperPrower: If you DL an app from the official repos, or use a .deb to install an app, these dependencies are mostly taken care of for you.  DL'ing the source and compiling...not so much.  If you are lucky the build will stop and tell you what it's missing.  Add that dependency, then restart the original build.  BTW, these dependencies can you several layers deep (i.e., a dependency will have another dependency...ad nausium).
[20:55] <elfy> there is a ppa for newer version of texmaker - but - you're at the maintainers mercy and there are a whole bunch of other packages at the same place
[20:55] <elfy> max12345: ^^
[20:57] <max12345> It's ok now that I know I have to manually check for updates in case something doesn't work. I was just confused because I assumed I was up to date automatically and that that included all my programs.
[20:59] <elfy> max12345: depends how you installed it originally, if you used apt then it will check for updates - but it will only update to what's in the repo's


[00:05] <waveform> jawn-smith, given the hour I'm going to run a curtailed set of tests -- little need to re-test the audio stack, flash-kernel etc. when none of that has changed. I'm most concerned with anything networking related and in particular whether either eth or wifi fail/succeed on first boot (and subsequent reboot)
[00:05] <tsimonq2> I'm marking Lubuntu ready at approx 1:00 UTC.
[00:07] <waveform> okay, confirmation from jawn-smith and myself that 3B+ is fixed so I'll throw caution to the wind and remove that from the release notes
[00:07] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: That's incredibly specific. :P
[00:07] <jawn-smith> waveform: Confirmed that eth0 came up successfully on the Pi 3B+ on the arm64 image
[00:08] <jawn-smith> Have you looked at armhf?
[00:08] <jawn-smith> I'm doing that now
[00:08] <waveform> got cards flashing now but I'm also testing first boot eth on a few more boards (2B and 3B)
[00:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Cinnamon Desktop amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[00:15] <ItzSwirlz> tgabjs
[00:16] <ItzSwirlz> *thanks!
[00:17] <jawn-smith> armhf seems to still be affected...
[00:20] <jawn-smith> wait my sha256sum doesn't match
[00:28] <waveform> armhf appears fixed on mine (and the hashes do match for me, so I'm guessing you might have an old image there? Check /lib/systemd/network/10-raspi-eth0.link to be certain)
[00:28] <waveform> oh, let me be sure I'm running the armhf card -- switching cards too quickly here
[00:29] <waveform> nope, that's one of my arm64 cards ... just a mo
[00:32] <waveform> oh, that's unusual -- just checked the manifests; the arm64 raspi server image has ubuntu-raspi-settings 23.10.6 (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled/current/mantic-preinstalled-server-arm64+raspi.manifest), while the armhf one has 23.10.5 (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled/current/mantic-preinstalled-server-armhf+raspi.manifest)
[00:32] <waveform> that would explain why the armhf image didn't work for you
[00:33] <waveform> yes, just checked the armhf image I just flashed and the .link file is indeed the old one
[00:34] <waveform> vorlon, any idea why the armhf build picked up the old version of ubuntu-raspi-settings while the arm64 build picked up the new one?
[00:39] <jawn-smith> yeah I confirmed it's the old version on armhf
[00:40] <waveform> well, at this stage I'm basically happy with the arm64 server images -- all the network tests check out there and nothing else should have changed. armhf looks like it needs ... something kicking, possibly just a re-spin? But I'm not going to be around for that to finish; better if I head offline now to try and start earlier tomorrow (in case armhf can be rebuilt by then)
[00:41] <waveform> many thanks for all the help!
[00:43] <jawn-smi1> maybe it wasn't published in armhf when the image was built?
[00:46] <vorlon> it's an arch: all package so it would have published simultaneously in both
[00:46] <jawn-smi1> apt-cache policy for the armhf image shows it has 23.10.5 instead of the new 23.10.6
[00:47] <vorlon> yes I checked the manifest and it's wrong
[00:47] <vorlon> jawn-smith: if only ubuntu-image in the livefs build log was telling me what it was doing
[00:47] <jawn-smi1> is it the new ubuntu-image?
[00:47] <vorlon> I will respin
[00:47] <vorlon> jawn-smi1:
[00:47] <vorlon> jawn-smi1: yes
[00:49] <jawn-smi1> --debug :)
[00:49] <vorlon> jawn-smi1: huh you'd think someone would've put that in livecd-rootfs
[00:50] <jawn-smi1> pretty sure that's the flag. been a little while and I refactored the logging shortly before I stopped looking at it all day every day
[00:50] <jawn-smi1> unless you're being sarcastic and that's already in livecd-rootfs
[00:50] <vorlon> it's not in the invocation in livecd-rootfs ;)
[00:51] <jawn-smi1> there are definitely a few flags to show lots more information from the builds
[00:54] <vorlon> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/mantic/cpc/+build/511090
[00:56] <jawn-smi1> there's a --verbose and --debug flag that both increase the logging
[00:56] <jawn-smi1> beyond what's in that log
[00:56]  * vorlon nods
[00:56] <vorlon> jawn-smi1: yeah this is largely just whinging on my part
[00:57] <vorlon> fwiw ubuntu-image --verbose isn't
[00:57] <jawn-smi1> isn't verbose?
[00:57] <vorlon> yeah
[00:57] <vorlon> [8] germinate
[00:57] <vorlon> [9] create_chroot
[00:58] <jawn-smi1> hmm, maybe that's just the normal logging level then. I remember basing it off of some ubuntu wiki page that said how much logging to do with each flag
[00:59] <vorlon> --debug looks better tho
[01:00] <jawn-smi1> excellent
[01:00] <vorlon> haha yeah we are calling --verbose, it just doesn't seem any different than the default
[01:01] <jawn-smi1> yeah I think it is the default
[01:01] <jawn-smi1> now that you mention it
[01:01] <jawn-smi1> I gotta sign off for the night, but I can test some more tomorrow
[01:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Kylin Desktop amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[01:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server armhf+raspi [Mantic Final] has been updated (20231012)
[01:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[06:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Budgie Desktop (Legacy) amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[06:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Budgie Desktop amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Unity Desktop amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[07:13] <waveform> ah lovely, I see armhf has been re-spun and the manifest looks correct now -- I'll set it downloading here and get to testing after the school run
[08:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[08:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Upgrade Lubuntu amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Upgrade Lubuntu amd64 [Mantic Final] has been updated (20231009)
[08:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: llvm-toolchain-17 (mantic-release/universe) [1:17.0.2-1~exp1ubuntu2 => 1:17.0.2-1~exp1ubuntu2.1] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[08:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: casparcg-server (mantic-proposed/multiverse) [2.3.3+dfsg-3ubuntu1 => 2.3.3+dfsg-3.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[08:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[08:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity arm64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[08:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity ppc64el [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[08:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity s390x [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[08:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted casparcg-server [sync] (mantic-proposed) [2.3.3+dfsg-3.1]
[08:54] <utkarsh2102> !isitout
[08:54] <utkarsh2102> whaaaaaat
[08:54] <ogayot> :D
[08:56] <utkarsh2102> anyway..
[08:56] <utkarsh2102> RELEASE DAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
[08:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted llvm-toolchain-17 [sync] (mantic-release) [1:17.0.2-1~exp1ubuntu2.1]
[09:49] <philroche> release-team: RE post release/NN opening: Heads up that myself and toabctl are leading the NN opening on the Ubuntu cloud side. Please ping once you have any info.
[09:50] <utkarsh2102> ack, perfect, we'll do once we have something 😭
[10:29] <waveform> okay, armhf raspi server testing done (arm64 raspi server testing was mostly finished last night, but now also finished), and the arm64 raspi desktop testing is also done -- we're good to go
[10:29] <waveform> (and I've updated the rpi-imager JSON MP with the new hashes)
[10:31] <utkarsh2102> yay, thank you, waveform!
[10:32] <utkarsh2102> I'm marking both of them as "ready"
[10:32] <waveform> yeah, I tried marking them in the iso tester but it doesn't seem to do anything for me
[10:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server arm64+raspi [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[10:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server armhf+raspi [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[10:41] <waveform> desktop raspi can also be marked "ready"
[10:50] <bdmurray> waveform: roger that good buddy
[10:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop arm64+raspi [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[10:58] <waveform> bdmurray, and for later on the rpi-imager JSON merge is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~waveform/meta-release/ubuntu/+merge/453335
[11:03] <kajiya> 3.
[11:04] <kajiya> Sorry that was the cat xD
[11:24] <sil2100> We will be starting the release shortly, please be sure to mark your images as ready!
[11:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: terminus (mantic-proposed/universe) [2.3.1-1ubuntu1 => 2.3.1-1ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[11:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted terminus [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.3.1-1ubuntu2]
[11:41] <jbicha> sil2100: please mark Ubuntu Desktop & Legacy amd64 as ready
[11:41] <utkarsh2102> seb128: hey there, how do you feel about marking Ubuntu Desktop images as "ready"?
[11:41] <utkarsh2102> hahahaha
[11:41] <utkarsh2102> jbicha: thank you!
[11:42] <utkarsh2102> done!
[11:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop (Legacy) amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[11:45] <utkarsh2102> we still want to test the nvidia stuff for Ubuntu Desktop
[11:45] <utkarsh2102> jbicha: did you test the nvidia bits, too?
[11:45] <jbicha> utkarsh2102: no, I do not have Nvidia hardware
[11:46] <utkarsh2102> fair, thanks
[11:46] <utkarsh2102> we'll wait for that to be done and then we'll make it as "ready"
[11:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base armhf [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[11:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base ppc64el [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[11:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base s390x [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[11:59] <schopin> I just finished a round of nvidia tests.
[12:04] <bdmurray> schopin: I interpret that to mean they passed.
[12:08] <utkarsh2102> schopin: it'd be nice if you can also update the testcases accordingly? :)
[12:09] <schopin> utkarsh2102: I thought I did so?
[12:10] <utkarsh2102> ah, looking..
[12:11] <schopin> TL;DR: release the minotaur.
[12:11] <utkarsh2102> okeydoke, I see you there - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/449/builds/288369/testcases/1771/results
[12:13] <bdmurray> \o/
[12:16] <utkarsh2102> bdmurray: we have green lights for Desktop from jbicha and schopin. Tell me when you want me to pull the trigger.
[12:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[12:18] <utkarsh2102> THANK YOU!
[12:18] <seb128> Ukikie, hey, +1 from me as well for desktop
[12:18] <utkarsh2102> you probably meant me but that's alright :P
[12:18] <seb128> yes, tab completion is hard, right? ;-)
[12:18] <seb128> Ukikie, sorry :p
[12:19] <utkarsh2102> the publishing has already started \o/
[12:19] <seb128> \o/
[12:20] <utkarsh2102> okeydoke, time for cloud images
[12:21] <utkarsh2102> mjdonis, kajiya: hey! can you start the process of building and publishing cloud images?
[12:21] <utkarsh2102> cpc-help^ :)
[12:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[12:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base arm64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[12:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base riscv64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[12:22] <kajiya> utkarsh2102 on it 👀
[12:22] <utkarsh2102> kajiya: thanks, let me know once that's done! \o/
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Upgrade Ubuntu amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[13:02] <jawn-smith> waveform: Is there any other testing you want me to do? Looks like you're "good to go" according to the scrollback
[13:02] <waveform> nope, we're good! Thanks :)
[13:07] <jawn-smith> Cool, now I'll just sit here and wait for my Pi5 while contemplating emailing Gordon again
[13:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Upgrade Ubuntu Server amd64 [Mantic Final] has been marked as ready
[13:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: keystone (lunar-proposed/main) [2:23.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 2:23.0.1-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[13:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: keystone (jammy-proposed/main) [2:21.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 2:21.0.1-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:14] <luna-> 23.10 time :)
[14:22] <sil2100> Almost!
[14:22] <luna-> sil2100: ah i upgraded my test Virtualbox VM with apt but guess its not fully released when an iso and announcment email is out etc?
[14:23] <luna-> but its today atleast i think
[14:28] <bdmurray> it will be today
[14:31] <coconut> no it is
[14:31] <coconut> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/23.10/release/
[14:31] <luna-> coconut: i think that still misses files as it just have the legacy installer and RISC-V
[14:32] <luna-> but should relax and not disturb the release team
[14:32] <coconut> oh
[14:32] <coconut> thank you
[14:32] <luna-> guessing there will be more there later during the day
[14:32] <mjdonis> release-team cloud download images are public now @ http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/mantic/release/ and http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/minimal/releases/mantic/release/ and are also present in streams
[14:39] <utkarsh2102> oh lovely!
[14:42] <LocutusOfBorg> !isitout
[14:42] <LocutusOfBorg> ubottu, wanna join #ubuntu-release-party?
[14:46] <sil2100> Mirrors syncing!
[14:54] <Eickmeyer> The person who usually updates the bot for this has been AWOL for a bit, so we're not likely to see the bot updated for !isitout.
[15:02] <tomreyn> How about we just tell Ubottu that: !no,  isitout is <reply> For all I know, the latest Ubuntu release is $curStableNum ($curStableLong). You can double-check this on the https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce Archives and subscribe for future release notifications.
[15:04] <Eickmeyer> I like that. :)
[15:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (mantic-proposed/main) [1:23.10.10 => 1:23.10.11] (core)
[15:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (lunar-proposed/main) [1:23.04.6 => 1:23.04.7] (core)
[15:15] <sil2100> Images are syncing!
[15:15] <mclemenceau> !isitout
[15:22] <tomreyn> !isitout
[15:24] <tomreyn> ^ hope that's ok with everyone, if not, please ask for it to be changed in #ubuntu-bots or #ubuntu-ops
[15:26] <utkarsh2102> tomreyn: oooooooooooooooooh, thanks!
[15:26] <utkarsh2102> it's definitely much better
[15:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-release-upgrader [source] (lunar-proposed) [1:23.04.7]
[15:29] <tomreyn> Glad you two like it.
[16:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (jammy-proposed/main) [1:22.04.17 => 1:22.04.18] (core)
[16:05] <luna-> https://releases.ubuntu.com/23.10/ubuntu-23.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:08] <Eickmeyer> luna-: Don't. This channel is the one that publishes those, so there's no reason for you to do that.
[16:28] <utkarsh2102> fingers crossed, heh
[16:38] <utkarsh2102> Hey there! As you note, we're happy to announce the new and shiny Ubuntu 23.10, codenamed Mantic Minotaur. Happy release! 🎉
[16:41] <Eickmeyer> utkarsh2102: Email sent to ubuntu-announce@?
[16:43] <utkarsh2102> Eickmeyer: doing that..
[16:44] <Eickmeyer> utkarsh2102: Thought so. :)
[17:10] <tumbleweed> congrats!
[17:15] <ricotz> \o/
[17:15] <xnox> sil2100: do we have a new name yet?
[17:15] <xnox> tumbleweed: tah
[17:16] <ricotz> ahasenack, hello :), is it possible to let libreoffice/lunar-proposed transition "earlier" again?
[17:17] <utkarsh2102> xnox: not yet, no
[17:18] <ahasenack> ricotz: I'm off today, I swapped my SRU day with robie and did my shift yesterday
[17:19] <ricotz> ahasenack, ah, I see, have a nice day then :)
[17:22] <ricotz> rbasak, hello :), it would be great to have libreoffice transition out of lunar-proposed, would you be available for that?
[17:45] <Eickmeyer> Well, don't know about all of you, but I'm going to sleep for a week. (j/k). See most of you in Riga.
[17:57] <mdeslaur> congrats! :)
[18:35] <rs2009> !isitout
[18:36] <rs2009> aw well
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> rs2009: Check /topic, and scrollback. It's out.
[18:38] <Eickmeyer> Feel free to do your release announcement stuff. :)
[18:38] <Eickmeyer> email just isn't out yet and the variables on the bot haven't been updated.
[20:36] <utkarsh2102> o/
[20:52] <guiverc> utkarsh2102, I've not seen ML post yet  (or did I just miss it)
[20:52] <utkarsh2102> guiverc: we have a thing holding it up, it should be there soon
[20:52] <guiverc> thanks... :)
[21:06] <tsimonq2> utkarsh2102: What's the process for a new codename these days anyway?
[21:07] <tsimonq2> utkarsh2102: I loved when Mark would make a witty announcement, but I get it if he doesn't quite have the time these days. :)
[21:07] <utkarsh2102> tsimonq2: you know as much as I/we know, really :/
[21:07] <utkarsh2102> that is, nothing at all about the new codename
[21:07] <utkarsh2102> as soon as I hear something about it, I'll definitely let you know, as I promised ;)
[21:08] <tsimonq2> Thanks again for that :)
[21:08]  * tsimonq2 looks over at local lintian, vim, debootstrap, debscripts, calamares-settings-ubuntu, calamares, lxqt-powermanagement, and lubuntu-meta, ready for NN ;)


[19:56] <mjeanson> infinity: apw: Here is a new version of lttng-modules-dkms that builds against 3.13, 3.16, 3.19 and 4.2 : https://launchpad.net/~mjeanson/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/5320274/+listing-archive-extra
[19:56] <mjeanson> the patches are from this branch https://github.com/mjeanson/lttng-modules/tree/stable-2.4-trusty
[20:27] <unixabg> apw: Yes that should be fine. I will try to test soonish and report back. Thanks.
[20:27] <unixabg> s/soonish/over the weekend for early next week/g
[20:41] <apw> mjeanson, ack
[20:41] <apw> unixabg, thanks


[14:27] <locodir-user> I have an error with k3b could someone plz help?
[14:28] <locodir-user> PLZ?
[14:28] <locodir-user> anyone?
[23:51] <CarlosNeyPastor> Hola
[23:51] <CarlosNeyPastor> esta jose  presente?


[12:27]  * gmb lunches
[13:25] <gmb> Hi gary_poster. Can I just check that we're having the call in an hour or so? UK is now in UTC+1, and for some reason I'm finding +/- 1 to be really difficult maths today.
[13:25] <gary_poster> gmb, oh, I intended it to be in 5 minutes
[13:26] <gmb> gary_poster: That's cool too :)
[13:26] <gmb> I just didn't want to wander off to get a drink and find out that I'd missed the call.
[13:26] <gary_poster> that's back to the old local time for us, is it for you too?
[13:26] <gary_poster> :-) appreciated
[13:26] <gmb> gary_poster: Yes.
[13:26] <gary_poster> cool
[13:27] <gary_poster> bac benji danilo gmb, call in 3 (back to normal local time for US east coast
[13:27] <gary_poster> )
[13:27] <benji> yay for time zones!
[13:30] <gary_poster> uh oh, /me wonders if danilo got the memo :-)
[13:30]  * gary_poster adds an s: danilos?
[13:31] <danilos> gary_poster, no, upgraded this machine to natty so mumble got me through configuration screen again
[13:32] <danilos> gary_poster, "danilo" without "s" also pings me fwiw :)
[13:32] <gary_poster> :-) k
[13:48] <danilos> gary_poster, https://launchpad.dev/firefox/+subscriptions
[13:59] <benji> gary_poster: should I push my changes into lp:~gary/launchpad/accordion-client-1?
[13:59] <gary_poster> benji, I don't think you can...let me see if I can open it up to you.
[14:01] <gary_poster> benji, the branch is now https://code.launchpad.net/~yellow/launchpad/accordion-client-1
[14:02] <gary_poster> and you should be able to push to it
[14:02] <benji> gary_poster: cool (I suppose we will have to re-MP it now that it's moved.(?))
[14:02] <gary_poster> benji, the MP appears to have followed along for the ride, happily
[14:03] <benji> wow
[14:08]  * danilos -> lunch
[14:31] <danilos> back
[14:45] <benji> gmb: ok, the lint (and test) fixes are in at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yellow/launchpad/accordion-client-1/+merge/54715
[14:45] <gmb> benji: Cool. I'll look now
[14:57] <gmb> benji: r=me on the lint changes.
[14:57]  * gmb -> afk for a short while
[15:16] <danilos> gary_poster, just to clarify the state of the things re our branches: ~yellow/lp/accordionoverlay is split into -server part (already landed) and -client-1 part (in review); for all our future/in progress branches, we should base them off -client-1, right?
[15:17] <gary_poster> danilos, I think that is safe.  bac has a third branch, also in ~yellow, that will be a bit gigantic, but it is effectively based on -client-1, and shouldn't affect your work.
[15:18] <danilos> gary_poster, sounds very comforting ("gigantic", "won't affect your branch" :))
[15:18] <gary_poster> heh
[15:19] <gary_poster> It's the branch that adds links to all of the bug target pages.
[15:19] <gary_poster> so it has a bunch of similar tests
[15:19] <gary_poster> and a bunch of similar template changes
[15:20] <gary_poster> It doesn't touch _subscriptions
[15:20] <gary_poster> +
[15:47] <danilos> gary_poster, since I also need to worry about this for my in-review branch, and since I already have an MP with "accordionoverlay" as the dep, is it ok to overwrite ~yellow/launchpad/accordionoverlay with accordion-client-1 just for the MP? :)
[15:48] <gary_poster> danilo, I think so.  It's possible even that -client-1 has all changes from accordionoverlay, in which case the answer is "absolutely".
[15:48] <gary_poster> danilo, if you have to --force, then I'm more worried about it
[15:49] <gary_poster> but I won't actually worry until you tell me there's a reason to :-)
[15:49] <danilos> gary_poster, heh, there's one revision which conflicts (which says something like "Merge latest changes from client branch"
[15:49] <gary_poster> :-/
[15:49] <gary_poster> uh, any ideas?
[15:50] <danilos> gary_poster, well, I guess it's probably best to just leave it as is, and I'll work it out with my reviewer that some changes are due to merge with the latest underlying work which has moved into a different branch
[15:51] <gary_poster> danilos, if you say so.  if you merge -client-1 into accordionoverlay instead of pushingm does that result in different branches?
[15:51] <gary_poster> or are they then indentical?
[15:52] <gary_poster> I bet the conflict is because of conflict resolution I had to do or something
[15:52] <danilos> gary_poster, well, at least revision histories would be different, I am unsure about the "textual contents"
[15:52] <gary_poster> so merging -client-1 should hopefully result in the same textual contents
[15:52] <gary_poster> if that helps
[15:53] <gary_poster> then you could maybe even push without complaints
[15:53] <gary_poster> or you could push --overwrite with impunity :-)
[15:53] <danilos> gary_poster, yeah, I'll check that and try it out
[15:53] <gary_poster> cool
[15:53] <danilos> gary_poster, yeah, no differences, so I can just push it I hope
[15:53] <gary_poster> awesome
[16:06] <gary_poster> So far I think I have 13 reviews to give, not including my own. :-P
[18:16]  * danilos wraps for the day, cheers all
[18:16] <gary_poster> bye :-)
[19:32] <bac> hi gary_poster
[19:32] <bac> i've got new subscriptions working on milestone overview pages for products, productseries, and distros.
[19:32] <bac> on to bugs pages now
[19:35] <gary_poster> fantastic, bac.  bugs pages--we missed those? no...not sure what you mean actually
[19:35] <bac> gary_poster: i am putting subscribe links on the overview page and the bugs page
[19:35] <bac> so it appears on launchpad.net/firefox and bugs.launchpad.net/firefox
[19:35] <gary_poster> bac, got it, duh
[19:50] <bac> gary_poster: actually i was wrong, which means there is less work to do
[19:51] <bac> there is no such thing as a bugs facet for a productseries
[19:51] <gary_poster> even yay-er
[19:51] <bac> if you're looking at bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/1.0/1.0.0 (a product series)
[19:51] <bac> clicking on 'bugs' tab takes you to bugs.launchpad.net/firefox
[19:52] <bac> so i think i'm done
[19:52] <gary_poster> awesome!
[19:53] <gary_poster> so what's next, and should I help?
[19:56] <bac> i just confirmed the tests all pass
[19:56] <bac> next i need to merge in the latest, wherever that may be, and then deliver this somewhere
[19:56] <bac> gary_poster: you can help me figure out those two things.
[19:57] <bac> but right now i need to be afk for a bit.  i'll ping you a little later if that's ok
[19:57] <gary_poster> I think that danilo merged -client-1 into ~yellow/lp/accordionoverlay
[19:57] <gary_poster> checking
[19:58] <gary_poster> if so, that's the thing to merge, I think.  or -client-1.  They are effectively identical, except in history.
[19:59] <gary_poster> "deliver this somewhere": I think that you are waiting for the -client-1 branch to land.  benji, I saw Graham's review.  Does that mean that you are ready to merge, or you still have other stuff to do?
[20:00] <benji> gary_poster: still working on the non-lint bits; just plug-and-chug left now
[20:00] <gary_poster> cool
[20:01] <gary_poster> bac: here's my suggestion:
[20:01] <gary_poster> 1) merge in lp:~yellow/launchpad/accordionoverlay
[20:01] <gary_poster> 2) push to LP
[20:02] <gary_poster> 3) make a mp depending on either lp:~yellow/launchpad/accordionoverlay or lp:~yellow/launchpad/accordion-client-1/ (identical)
[20:02] <gary_poster> 4) get it reviewed
[20:02] <gary_poster> 5) wait, if necessary, for lp:~yellow/launchpad/accordion-client-1 to be landed
[20:03] <gary_poster> (uh, 6, land it)
[20:03] <gary_poster> (7, go for a walk)
[20:03] <gary_poster> (etc.)
[20:30] <benji> gary_poster: all the fixes have been applied
[20:31] <gary_poster> great benji.  Does that need another review from Graham, or is that good to go?
[20:32] <benji> gary_poster: he had already approved it and then approved of my lint changes, so -- assuming he doesn't object wildly to anything I did in this last round (and I wouldn't expect him to) -- we should be ready to go
[20:32] <gary_poster> so that means you can land?
[20:33] <benji> gary_poster: sure, I can do it
[20:33] <gary_poster> yay!
[20:33] <benji> it'll help me put off reviewing the two > 11K line MPs in the queue ;P
[20:33] <benji> wait, make that 1K :)
[20:34] <benji> (what's an order of magnitude between friends)
[20:34] <gary_poster> :-)
[21:04] <benji> gary_poster: will you set a preferred email address on ~yellow?  ec2 land is barfing because it desn't have one
[21:04] <gary_poster> meh, sure
[21:07] <gary_poster> benji, (1) I made eveyone on team an administrator.  (2) I set up a mailing list; I think that will become the contact email once it has approved.  I'll ping when it is done and I have confirmed that it is the contact email.
[21:07] <benji> k
[21:08]  * benji is tempted to put Gary as the contact email in the meantime just to get this going.
[21:09] <gary_poster> Can't--my email is already registered...
[21:11]  * benji is tempted to put<EMAIL_ADDRESS>instead.
[21:12] <gary_poster> benji, ok, if you wanna :-)
[21:23] <benji> gary_poster: the temporary email address worked and the new list is now the contact address
[21:24] <gary_poster> benji, yeah I changed it too. :-) thank you
[21:24] <benji> :)
[21:31] <gary_poster> Performed urgent and essential task of updating team image for https://edge.launchpad.net/~yellow
[21:36] <benji> heh
[21:36] <bac> gary_poster: i just saw your suggested merging steps and will give them a go
[21:37] <gary_poster> cool bac.  Note that benji has now sent -cleint-1 to ec2 test I think, so hopefully we're on our way there roo
[21:37] <gary_poster> too
[21:37] <gary_poster> kanga
[21:38] <bac> gary_poster: so why should i merge from accordion-overlay instead of client-1?
[21:38] <gary_poster> bac, it doesn't matter; they are identical.  Do what makes sense for you.
[21:38] <gary_poster> they are identical because danilos was already using accordionoverlay as a MP predecessor
[21:38] <benji> now that we're all adminstrators we can periodically change the team image to random yellow things
[21:38] <gary_poster> and wanted the -client-1 stuff
[21:38] <gary_poster> +1 benji :-)
[21:39] <bac> gary_poster: and i should push it to something else like client-2?
[21:39] <gary_poster> bac, or whatever works for you, sure.
[21:40] <bac> gary_poster: what is the status of the 'edit' links for existing structural subscriptions?  will that be done in a second pass, mimicing the work i just did/
[21:40] <gary_poster> bac, yes
[21:40] <bac> ok
[21:41]  * gary_poster hopes/assumes it will be easier to follow in your footsteps now that you have blazed the trail
[21:41] <bac> only 3 conflicts
[21:41] <gary_poster> hopefully good.
[21:54] <bac> benji: should i be using StructuralSubscriptionJSMixin everywhere i'm currently exposing data to JS?
[21:55] <benji> bac: hmm, I haven't heard of that guy, but suspect Gary refactored a the group of expose_* function calls into it
[21:56] <bac> ah, i figured you did it.
[21:57] <bac> it wants to make providing a 'subscriptions' property required, but with a bit of work i can make it so i can use it without providing that property
[22:01] <gary_poster> bac, yeah, that was a review request from Graham
[22:02] <gary_poster> and +1 on refactoring to make it easier to reuse
[22:02] <gary_poster> since that was the point
[22:03] <bac> gary_poster: it may not be easier to use but will allow me to defer providing that definition until it is needed
[22:03] <bac> which is easier, i guess
[22:04] <gary_poster> yeah, sounds like it :-)
[22:08] <bac> gary_poster: in browser/bugtarget.py
[22:08]  * gary_poster listens
[22:08] <bac> ah, never mind
[22:08] <gary_poster> k :-)
[22:09] <bac> i expected to see a 'super' but you're calling the initialize from another class directly
[22:09] <gary_poster> looking...
[22:09] <bac> is that correct?  how is the initialize from StructuralSubscriptionJSMixin called?
[22:10] <gary_poster> bac, yes, it is first in the inheritance list
[22:10] <gary_poster> so it's initialize is called
[22:10] <bac> which 'it'?
[22:10] <gary_poster> which then calls out to LaunchpadView in its own super
[22:10] <gary_poster> So in class TargetSubscriptionView(StructuralSubscriptionJSMixin, LaunchpadView):
[22:11] <gary_poster> TargetSubscriptionView does not define an initialize
[22:11] <gary_poster> so the first defined initialize in the subsclasses reading left to right is the class' initialize
[22:11] <gary_poster> StructuralSubscriptionJSMixin has an initialize
[22:11] <bac> ok, we're looking at different classes.
[22:12] <gary_poster> oh
[22:12] <bac> sorry, i got confused
[22:12] <bac> but look at BugTargetBugsView
[22:12] <bac> if i add the new JSMixin to the list of inherited classes
[22:12] <bac> must i call the initialize manually?
[22:13] <gary_poster> If the new JSMixing class is first, then you should be able make a super call
[22:13] <gary_poster> JSMixin
[22:13] <gary_poster> Or if BugTaskSearchListingView is first and it does the proper super dance then it should work fine too
[22:13] <bac> it already has a call to BugTaskSearchListingView.initialize()
[22:14] <gary_poster> right.  That should no longer be necessary, because the JSMixin has a super call in it too
[22:14] <gary_poster> So if I were doing it
[22:15] <gary_poster> I'd try putting the JSMixin as the first inherited class
[22:15] <gary_poster> and then I would try changing BugTaskSearchListingView.initialize(self)
[22:15] <gary_poster> to
[22:15] <gary_poster> super(BugTargetBugsView, self).initialize()
[22:15] <gary_poster> as you'd expect
[22:15] <gary_poster> that should call to the JSMixin's initialize
[22:15] <gary_poster> which should then call the BugTaskSearchListingView's initialize
[22:15] <bac> even though BugTaskSearchListingView doesn't do the proper super dance?
[22:16] <gary_poster> yes, because I said that you should put the JSMixin first
[22:16] <gary_poster> and it *does* do the proper super dance
[22:16] <gary_poster> make sense?
[22:16] <bac> sort of
[22:17] <gary_poster> what part doesn't?  I might be making a mistake
[22:17] <bac> i see that currently BugTaskSearchListingView.initialize does not call super
[22:17] <bac> instead it does some work then calls LPFormView.initialize()
[22:18] <bac> so, given that existing code, the approach you suggest will still work?
[22:18] <gary_poster> I believe it will yes
[22:18] <bac> ok, i'll give it a try then
[22:22] <bac> gary_poster: mumble real quick?
[22:22] <gary_poster> Sure bac


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[15:41] <ironi> Hi, what is a good way to get global env vars available within upstart processes?
[18:29] <fizbin> I'm having a problem writing this upstart script.
[18:30] <fizbin> Basically, on startup I need to run an external program to dump out some env. var settings into a tempfile, then I need to source that tempfile, then I need to exec the daemon.
[18:31] <fizbin> But upstart ends up tracking the wrong PID. I think the PID it ends up tracking is the PID of that env-producing program, but maybe it's tracking the PID of mktemp. Not sure.
[18:33] <fizbin> If there were some way to store environment variables set in the pre-start script so that the "script" section started with the same environment that pre-start had when it exited...
[18:33] <fizbin> Of course, in the pre-upstart world this wasn't an issue, since the daemon writes its PID to a file in a known location, but in upstart...
[19:02] <fizbin> Is there some way to forcibly tell upstart "You know nothing about this job; it's stopped."?
[19:43] <jobin> Hey, all! I am trying to check the status of cron service using sudo service cron status as a non-privileged user on ubuntu 14.04 desktop 64-bit but get a status: Unknown job: cron error in return. However, if I do the same thing on ubuntu 12.04 64-bit desktop I get the appropriate result. I notice that I can check teh status if I am root on 14.04. Why is this happening and how can I solve this?
[19:54] <jobin__> Hey, all! I am trying to check the status of cron service using sudo service cron status as a non-privileged user on ubuntu 14.04 desktop 64-bit but get a status: Unknown job: cron error in return. However, if I do the same thing on ubuntu 12.04 64-bit desktop I get the appropriate result. I notice that I can check teh status if I am root on 14.04. Why is this happening and how can I solve this?
[20:38] <xnox> fizbin: pre-start script
[20:38] <xnox> fizbin: .... do stuff
[20:38] <xnox> fizbin: end script
[20:38] <xnox> fizbin: script
[20:38] <xnox> fizbin: source tmp-file
[20:39] <xnox> fizbin: daemond
[20:39] <xnox> fizbin: end script
[20:44] <fizbin> xnox: So I have to use a constant temp file name?
[20:44] <fizbin> I assume I delete in the post-start script?
[20:45] <xnox> fizbin: exporting environment in pre-start, will not be presered to daemon.
[20:45] <xnox> fizbin: alternative is to have two jobs -> first one "daemon-starter" which does:
[20:45] <xnox> task
[20:45] <xnox> .... do things to determine variables
[20:46] <xnox> start daemond FOO=BAR BAZ=TRATA
[20:46] <xnox> end script
[20:46] <xnox> (forgot 'script' just after task)
[20:46] <xnox> fizbin: the daemond job would then just be "exec daemond"
[20:47] <xnox> fizbin: but it will get the right environment because daemon-starter launches it. Hence daemond job shouldn't have any starton conditions.
[20:47] <xnox> fizbin: also please see cookbook about managing environment.
[20:47] <xnox> fizbin: what sort of things are you executing and sourcing inside the environment?
[20:47] <xnox> fizbin: typically it's akward when daemon rely on environment variables.
[20:57] <fizbin> xnox: It's part of a vendor's system, and the system is intended to be deployed on an EC2 system, and it was doing a curl of http://<IP_ADDRESS>/latest/user-data
[20:58] <fizbin> Which is a special URL on EC2 machines, and after that's dumped to a temp file it sources that file.
[20:58] <xnox> fizbin: why use an upstart job? does vendor provide an init.d script that you can install and use?
[20:59] <xnox> fizbin: this sounds very dubious, especially doing it over http.
[20:59] <fizbin> Vendor instructions actually modify several different /etc/default/* files. Those are sourced by standard upstart scripts.
[21:03] <xnox> fizbin: i'm not sure i can at all help you. can you provide those instructions or actually show what's it's doing? i would separate things out: 1) curl > somewhere; start my-daemon ENVFILE=path-to-tmp-filename.a1231fab 2) my-daemon job bail if ENVFILE is empty, e.g. pre-start [ -n "$ENVFILE" ] || {stop; exit 1;}
[21:03] <xnox> and script
[21:03] <xnox> source $ENVFILE
[21:03] <xnox> end script
[21:03] <xnox> fizbin: so there is plenty of things you can do. Did you read cookbook?
[21:03] <fizbin> xnox: Not if you're actually on an EC2 box. That IP is routed specially by Amazon's virtualization system. Intercepting anything to/from that specific IP would require a deep compromise of Amazon's systems,
[21:04] <xnox> fizbin: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/
[21:04] <fizbin> xnox: I tried to read the cookbook, but figuring out just what the "expect" clause was talking about was seriously confusing.
[21:05] <xnox> fizbin: it tracks the first exec.
[21:05] <fizbin> Upstart, at the moment, appears to me to be a much, much more brittle system than the old sysv init system.
[21:06] <xnox> fizbin: upstart jobs meant to execute a daemon that either runs in foreground, forks ones, or double forks.
[21:06] <fizbin> In particular, on an upstart system you need to be extremely careful that none of your /etc/default files result in any other process running.
[21:07] <xnox> fizbin: if you have a script stanza that executes a lot of command, then that's not a daemon but a series of things -> put all of them into a script and have an upstart job that execs that.
[21:07] <fizbin> So, for example, you can't comment out a chunk of some /etc/default file by preceding it with "if /bin/false; then" and then having a "fi" at the end of the commented region.
[21:07] <fizbin> xnox: s/a lot of command/any program other than just the daemon/
[21:07] <xnox> fizbin: by default we don't want to source anything from /etc/default and those things that do are for legacy compatibility instead.
[21:08] <xnox> fizbin: you should use /etc/init/job.override file instead where you can override any portion of the job (e.g. remove the sourcing of the /etc/default/* file)
[21:08] <xnox> fizbin: clearly the vendor system you are working with is not integrated / have upstart jobs written for.
[21:09] <xnox> fizbin: so why can you not use init.d script for it, which would be used on ubuntu?
[21:09] <xnox> fizbin: what vendor / software is this?
[21:09] <fizbin> xnox: Ah. Well, despite what you may wish to do, upstart as I interact with it is upstart as Ubuntu ships it, which has nearly every upstart job source the relevant /etc/default file before exec'ing the daemon.
[21:10] <fizbin> And it isn't the vendor's software directly that won't play nice with upstart - their instructions included modifying stuff like /etc/default/rsyslog which then made upstart lose track of rsyslogd.
[21:11] <xnox> here is example of correctly sourcing default that doesn't loose track of things
[21:11] <xnox> expect fork
[21:11] <xnox> respawn
[21:11] <xnox> pre-start script
[21:11] <xnox>     modprobe -q autofs4 || true
[21:11] <xnox> end script
[21:11] <xnox> script
[21:11] <xnox>     if [ -f /etc/default/autofs ] ; then
[21:11] <xnox>         . /etc/default/autofs
[21:11] <xnox>     fi
[21:11] <xnox>     exec /usr/sbin/automount $OPTIONS
[21:11] <xnox> end script
[21:12] <xnox> fizbin: i'd want to here which vendor is this that advises people to break their rsyslog.
[21:12] <fizbin> Sure, it doesn't.... until you put something in /etc/default/autofs that execs a different program.
[21:13] <xnox> fizbin: and looking at /etc/default/rsyslog -> the interface that file provides can be achieved with "echo exec rsyslogd -my -options > /etc/init/rsyslogd.override"
[21:13] <fizbin> Put a curl command in /etc/default/autofs, or a cat, or ... I guess not an echo, because that's a shell builtin, but how about even a call to /bin/true
[21:14] <fizbin> And then upstart loses autofs
[21:15] <fizbin> Okay, so the result of my question of "how to make this work" is "don't actually do anything in /etc/default/whatever, because upstart can't handle it".
[21:16] <fizbin> I will report this back to the vendor (FP Complete, their self-hosted pro version of the IDE. Admittedly, we also got a preview release, so they may have corrected it already before they went general availability)
[21:29] <fizbin> At the very least, it would be nice if something in the cookbook said in big bold letters "If you run any program in your script except the daemon, upstart will get confused and be unable to find the daemon process. In particular, if you source external files (for example, files in /etc/default), those files must not do anything but set environment variables and invoke shell builtins."
[21:36] <fizbin> It is kind of broken that upstart means attempting to comment a chunk out of what had always been a shell script (/etc/default files) with a "if /bin/false; then ... fi" wrapper introduces a whole new bug.
[21:39] <xnox> fizbin: in shell comments start with "#" ;-)