[00:49] <ScottK> Fixing okular
[00:54] <ScottK> Done
[01:50] <ScottK> OK.  Not done.  Fixing harder.
[01:54] <Daskreech> :-)
[02:35] <ScottK> OK.  Let's try that.
[03:20] <ScottK> marble done
[03:42] <ScottK> Doing kdegames
[03:45] <ScottK> kdegames done.
[03:45] <ScottK> Off to bed with me.
[07:42] <bambee> morning
[07:47] <Mamarok> good morning veryone :)
[07:48] <Mamarok> is there an ETA for KDE 4.7 in 11.04?
[07:53] <bambee> Mamarok: it's packaged, kde 4.7 will be moved in kubuntu-ppa really soon :)
[07:54] <Mamarok> bambee: nice!
[09:48] <Quintasan> Greetings
[09:49] <Quintasan> Mamarok: I will continue uploading to oneiric now
[09:52]  * Quintasan looks at blinken
[09:55] <Mamarok> Quintasan: OK
[10:07] <Quintasan> cantor and blinken uploaded
[10:11]  * Quintasan looks at kalgebra
[10:14] <Quintasan> kalgebra done
[10:16]  * Quintasan looks at kalzium
[10:20] <Quintasan> kalzium uploaded
[10:23]  * Quintasan looks at kamera
[10:26] <Quintasan> kamera uploaded
[10:27]  * Quintasan looks at kanagram
[10:32] <Quintasan> apachelogger: How does one setup bzr magic so commits get reported here?
[10:33] <Quintasan> kanagram uploaded
[10:36]  * Quintasan looks at kbruch
[10:37] <CIA-52> [kbruch] Michal Zajac * 11 * debian/changelog Releasing version 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1
[10:37] <Quintasan> oh
[10:37] <Quintasan> \o/
[10:37] <Quintasan> kbruch uploaded
[10:39] <CIA-52> [kcolorchooser] Michal Zajac * 6 * debian/changelog Releasing version 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1
[10:42]  * Quintasan goes on a break
[10:46]  * ScottK just hit retry on the 4.7.0 FTBFS.
[11:04] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: TF2 in 25 minutes?
[11:10]  * nigelb renames channel to #kubuntu-devel-gamers :P
[11:11]  * apachelogger whips shadeslayer with a rusty pipe
[11:16] <yofel> nigelb: feel free to rename it into #kubuntu-deve-offtopic, but I think the new -devel channel would be pretty vacant :P
[11:22] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I'ma playin Heroes of Newerth now, are you going to be able to play in ~1h?
[11:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: sure no problem
[11:22] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: MEEEEEEEEEEEDIC!
[11:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: gimme your steam id
[11:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Quintasan
[11:23] <Quintasan> :D
[11:24] <shadeslayer> kdone
[11:25] <apachelogger> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qml-coding-conventions.html
[11:25] <apachelogger> who'd have known that there is such a thing for lame qml
[11:25] <apachelogger> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qml-coding-conventions.html#private-properties
[11:25] <apachelogger> that is what I like best :D
[11:28] <yofel> why not? That procedure at least got enough testing :P
[12:15] <bambee> shadeslayer: no problems with the lastest version of steam ?
[12:27] <nigelb> yofel: heh
[12:28] <bambee> problem found, I need libGL.so.1 in 32bits o_O
[12:30] <shadeslayer> bambee: nope
[12:31] <bambee> shadeslayer: wine is 32bits, I get this error "err:module:load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"OPENGL32.dll": libGL.so.1"
[12:31] <bambee> I need the 32 bits version
[12:32] <bambee> and pb will be fixed, I think
[12:32] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: TF2 nao
[12:32] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: join me game etc
[12:32] <debfx> what, tf2? where?
[13:15] <yofel> Quintasan, shadeslayer: are you guys going to finish artwork and plasma-addons or should I do it?
[13:16] <Quintasan> yofel: Do them since I have limited upload options now
[13:17] <yofel> k
[13:17] <Quintasan> WoW is derp :/
[13:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: i uploaded artwork iirc
[13:21] <yofel> indeed you did, but forgot about the wiki..
[13:33]  * yofel does some upgrade tests in natty
[13:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: didja close it?
[14:08] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Did I close what?
[14:24] <debfx> yofel: you should send a mail to kubuntu-devel if you want to have the meeting tomorrow
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: steam
[14:45] <kinta> Is kde 4.7 currently building for 11.04?
[14:47] <yofel> debfx: on mobile currently, I'll send it when I get home (in ~30m)
[14:55] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegames] Philip Muškovac * 130 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump klickety breaks/replaces on ksame to 4:4.6.80 to catch Natty 4.6.5 packages.
[14:57] <Quintasan> yofel: Can I just use kopypackages now?
[15:00] <Quintasan> ScottK: ^^ to natty I mean
[15:03] <Quintasan> Hmm should it go to backports or to updates?
[15:03] <Quintasan> Policy, policy everywhere
[15:09] <yofel> Quintasan: backports, but we're not even remotely finished
[15:09] <Quintasan> yofel: With natty?
[15:09] <yofel> or how many positive testing feedbacks have you gotten so far?
[15:09] <Quintasan> Mine doesnt count?
[15:09] <yofel> I only have one failed upgrade test
[15:14] <Quintasan> I see
[15:14] <Quintasan> conflicts
[15:15] <Quintasan> yofel: plasma-scriptengine-declarative breaks stuff
[15:18] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/Kixkp.png
[15:18] <Quintasan> brrr
[15:18] <yofel> no conflicts here, although plasma-scriptengine-declarative gets removed here
[15:19] <yofel> I get a ton of overwrite errors
[15:19] <yofel> brrrrrrrrrr - out of battery, bbl
[15:19] <Quintasan> kde-baseapps-data depends on kdebase-data
[15:19] <yofel> transitional stuff
[15:19] <Quintasan> so 15 removal is good
[15:20] <Quintasan> plasma-scriptengine-declarative gets removed here too
[15:27] <Quintasan> yofel: Apart from those removals, smooth update here
[15:27] <Quintasan> no overwrites
[15:31] <Quintasan> hmm
[15:31] <Quintasan> plasma and kde deamon crashed after login
[15:32] <Quintasan> yofel: well it works now
[15:33] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Do you have a natty vm?
[15:33] <yofel> k, home again
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: maybe
[15:33] <yofel> Quintasan: that's a 4.6.2 -> 4.7.0 upgade I guess
[15:33] <Quintasan> yofel: kded crashes on startup here
[15:33] <yofel> test 4.6.5 -> 4.7.0 please
[15:33] <Quintasan> Oh
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> I'm just on my lunch break, so I won't be able to really do any testing until 17:30 GMT -4
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> (In 6 hours)
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> saw some TF2 love in the chat logs. Y'all should add me: http://steamcommunity.com/id/echidnaman
[15:37] <Quintasan> yay @ purging whole kde just to test update
[15:39]  * yofel suggests using a chroot
[15:41] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: darn, i just rebooted into kubuntu, will add you later then :)
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> My favorite classes are Soldier/Engie/Medic for Offense/Defense/Support
[15:46]  * debfx <3 demoman
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> "Ahm drunk; Yew dun have an excuse"
[15:50] <yofel> debfx: are all of the background images now in kde-workspace-data-extras?
[15:50] <yofel> you've got a broken link btw.
[15:50] <yofel> debian/kde-workspace-data.links:usr/share/wallpapers/Horos/contents/images/1920x1200.png usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default/1920x1200/background.png
[15:50] <yofel> or... nvm
[15:51] <shadeslayer> debfx: i couldn't control the demoman properly
[15:51] <shadeslayer> for me its pyro/engineer/medic
[15:52]  * shadeslayer grumbles about broken SIP
[15:53]  * Quintasan installs 4.6.5
[15:55] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 539 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump various breaks/replaces to catch the 4.6.5 packages.
[15:57] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: MEEEEEDIC
[15:57] <Quintasan> Today is good day to be spy
[15:58]  * Quintasan goes for a nap
[15:59] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 185 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump various breaks/replaces to catch 4.6.5 packages
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> welp, back to it. I'll be home in 5 1/2 hours
[16:04] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdeedu] Philip Muškovac * 9 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump various breaks replaces to catch 4.6.5 packages
[16:07] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kalzium] Philip Muškovac * 10 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump breaks/replaces on libkdeedu4 to catch 4.6.5 packages
[16:07] <debfx> yofel: no, just a few ksplash background images
[16:09] <yofel> k
[16:09] <debfx> yofel: the version of kdesdk was wrong 1ubuntu1 vs. 0ubuntu1
[16:09] <yofel> -.-
[16:10] <yofel> thanks for noticing
[16:12] <debfx> ScottK: if you have some time, could you accept kde-workspace-data-extras and kde-wallpapers-default from binary new
[16:15] <yofel> ScottK: smoke stuff should be stuck in source new too
[16:23] <debfx> JontheEchidna: if you see a friend request on steam from someone with a kitty as avatar, that's me :D
[16:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: new nm09 snapshot works in neon, uploading
[16:57] <yofel> hm, now what apt-get wants to remove doesn't match with what aptitude wants to remove
[16:57] <yofel> should we backport/fix kubuntu-desktop btw.? (I tend to yes)
[16:58] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[16:58] <yofel> kdiff3 needs a rebuild as always...
[16:58] <yofel> hey _Groo_
[16:59] <_Groo_> yofel: hey hey
[16:59] <_Groo_> yofel: just waiting for you to stpo uploading stuff ;) and ill update :D
[16:59] <_Groo_> such a buzy bee
[16:59] <_Groo_> busy
[16:59] <_Groo_> yofel: are you gonna package telephaty too?
[16:59] <_Groo_> telepathy
[17:00] <yofel> I probably not, shadeslayer and Quintasan know more about it
[17:00] <_Groo_> little dislexic today
[17:00] <_Groo_> k if no one will i might do it this weekend
[17:00] <_Groo_> kinda curious to see how far they went so fa
[17:00] <_Groo_> far
[17:00] <_Groo_> have been following the blogs, but a real experience its always better
[17:00] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: afaik the plan is to just use the debian packaging
[17:01] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: k
[17:01] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im gonna do it for personal consumption then
[17:01] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: Quintasan might need a hand ;)
[17:01] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: like im doing with calligra :D
[17:02] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:02] <yofel> btw. can someone please upload kdevelop 4.2.3 to oneiric please now that kdesdk 4.7.0 is up?
[17:03] <yofel> -please
[17:03] <shadeslayer> add libindi + the one other driver to that list as well
[17:05] <yofel> bah, workspace still fails *-.-
[17:15] <_Groo_> yofel: no workspaces no update ;)
[17:15] <yofel> nah, I tried it before new workspace was built on amd64 -.-
[17:16] <yofel> still not finished...
[17:16] <_Groo_> ah i just updated, i use amd64.. and it build correctly :D
[17:16] <_Groo_> i should update in a hour or so
[17:16] <yofel> what kde did you have before?
[17:16] <_Groo_> then ill see whats broke, hunt you down and biitch slap you
[17:16] <_Groo_> 4.6.x
[17:17] <yofel> what x? 2 is ok, 5 breaks here
[17:17] <_Groo_> latest from backports
[17:17] <yofel> updates would be 5
[17:17] <_Groo_> its 5
[17:17] <_Groo_> well then you better hide :D
[17:19] <yofel> if it breaks just run apt again, shouldn't lock itself in a loop
[17:21] <yofel> gaaaah
[17:21]  * yofel is drowning in mail from rosetta
[17:27] <yofel> Quintasan: you wanted to try kopypackages right? fancy copying kdepim/-runtime to experimental for oneiric? ^^
[17:30]  * debfx reminds yofel of the kubuntu-devel mail :)
[17:30] <yofel> debfx: was just thinking about sending it or doing it monday...
[17:31] <yofel> then again, everyone will be in DS mood by then
[17:31]  * yofel sends mail
[17:32] <debfx> tomorrow is better, then you can help uploading 4.7.0 :P
[17:32] <yofel> ack
[17:35] <yofel> sent
[17:39] <yofel> also: I did some more testing on kdevelop 4.2.3 and if nobody finds any problems with it I'll move the natty packages to updates in an ~hour
[17:42] <Quintasan> yofel: k
[17:43] <Quintasan> _Groo_: I'm the "official" maintainer of telepathy-kde stack in Ubuntu
[17:44] <Quintasan> I have talked with gkiagia and we concluded Ubuntu will just use Debian packaging (we will eventually add our patches)
[17:44] <Quintasan> I have also set up daily builds PPA but it is not populated yet
[17:46] <Quintasan> yofel: Kopied
[17:46] <Quintasan> :D
[17:47] <yofel> :D
[17:48] <Quintasan> Testing natty 4.6.5 -> 4.7.0 upgrade now
[17:48]  * yofel does another try too
[17:51] <yofel> oops, backported the workspace mods from debfx without the wallpaper ones :S
[17:53] <Quintasan> BREKAGEE
[17:54] <yofel> sorry
[17:54] <Quintasan> kde-workspace-data depends kde-wallpapers-default -> UNSATIFIED
[17:54] <yofel> right, exactly that...
[17:54] <Quintasan> and
[17:55] <yofel> fixed wallpapers up
[17:55] <_Groo_> Quintasan: nice... can you link the ppa?
[17:56] <Quintasan> kde-workspace apparently break libpowerdevilcore0 (UNSATISFIED)
[17:56] <Quintasan> I wonder wtf
[17:56] <Quintasan> _Groo_: https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde
[17:57] <yofel> wasn't that removed?
[17:57] <_Groo_> yofel: btw i tested kdeveloper and its aparently working ok
[17:57] <_Groo_> Quintasan: k tks
[17:57] <Quintasan> yofel: powerdevilcore?
[17:57] <yofel> right, it's gone
[17:57] <yofel> what depends on it?
[18:00] <Quintasan> yofel: kde-workspace
[18:00] <Quintasan> kde-workspace-bin
[18:00] <Quintasan> and kdebase-workspace*
[18:00] <yofel> trash kdebase*
[18:01] <Quintasan> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/fDNSz.png
[18:01] <Quintasan> That's what I'm left with
[18:01] <yofel> here it breaks it, but it doesn't depend on it
[18:01] <yofel> right, wait for wallpapers :/
[18:01] <Quintasan> however it wants to keep kde-workspace uninstalled
[18:04] <Quintasan> hmm
[18:04] <Quintasan> yeah
[18:04] <Quintasan> wallpapers break runtime
[18:04] <Quintasan> That's all
[18:04] <yofel> it's the missing kde-wallpapers-default package that breaks everything
[18:21] <Quintasan> yofel: 13 removals, that's it
[18:22] <yofel> I'm getting 14, but looks about right
[18:22] <Quintasan> TEEEESTING
[18:26] <yofel> yay, upgrade test didn't error out \o/
[18:26] <Quintasan> Same here
[18:26] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for yofel
[18:26]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to yofel.
[18:28]  * kinta give thanks to yofel and Quintasan
[18:28] <yofel> I'll try to figure out if you can run kdepim 4.7 + kde 4.6
[18:29] <Quintasan> yofel: NM widget b0rked
[18:29] <Quintasan> \o/
[18:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: where?
[18:29] <shadeslayer> p-n or stable ?
[18:29] <yofel> ouch
[18:29] <Quintasan> natty 4.6.5 -> 4.7.0 upgrade
[18:29] <yofel> define borked?
[18:29] <shadeslayer> ^^
[18:29] <Quintasan> yofel: white cross in a red box
[18:29] <Quintasan> funny thing
[18:30] <Quintasan> if you click it it actually shows nm window
[18:30] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:30] <Quintasan> but
[18:30] <Quintasan> no network card apparently
[18:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: remove and re add plasmoid
[18:30] <Quintasan> same stuff bro
[18:30] <Quintasan> Do you think I'm not smart enough to try that?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> ok, then its broken indeed
[18:30] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:31] <Quintasan> But hell, rest works
[18:31] <shadeslayer> just eliminating the possibilities here :D
[18:31] <yofel> might need a rebuild
[18:32] <Quintasan> It's plasma-widget-networkmanagment?
[18:32] <yofel> yep
[18:34] <Quintasan> It's networkmanagement in oneiric
[18:35] <yofel> wait, don't take the O one, that's for NM 0.9
[18:36] <Quintasan> hmm
[18:36] <Quintasan> ScottK: ping
[18:36] <yofel> either rebuild the  natty one or take a new master branch snapshot
[18:37]  * Quintasan wonders if he can just mash the rebuilt command or there is some sort of POLICY comming at him
[18:37] <KubuntuUser> Should I expect any complcations if I compile KDE 4.7 Source on my system (x86) and then install backport packages when they are available?
[18:38] <Quintasan> KubuntuUser: overwrites most likely
[18:38] <Quintasan> KubuntuUser: 4.7.0 should hit kubuntu-ppa later today
[18:38] <yofel> if you install in /usr/local the packages will get ignored
[18:38] <KubuntuUser> or /opt/kde/ ?
[18:39] <yofel> then it's up to how you set up your env
[18:39] <KubuntuUser> ok
[18:39]  * yofel goes copying kdevelop so staging is free
[18:40] <Quintasan> yofel: Wait, we need to pull the natty nm, rebuild it in our PPA, right-o?
[18:41] <yofel> would be my first try
[18:41] <Quintasan> hmm
[18:42] <Quintasan> will ubuntu3~ppa1 will superseed ubuntu2, right?
[18:42] <KubuntuUser> Will packages of KDE 4.7 be available for bug triaginging Natty as well?
[18:42] <Quintasan> and ubuntu3 would superseed ubuntu3~ppa1, right?
[18:42] <yofel> yep
[18:42] <Quintasan> KubuntuUser: You mean testing?
[18:42] <KubuntuUser> yes and bug triage
[18:43] <Quintasan> KubuntuUser: Most likely, but you will need debug libs to provide a useful stacktrace as usual
[18:43] <KubuntuUser> bug squad
[18:44] <Quintasan> hmm
[18:44] <Quintasan> yofel: plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.9~svngit20110408-0ubuntu3~natty1~ppa1
[18:44] <Quintasan> :O
[18:44] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:44] <yofel> yep, looooks about right
[18:45] <Quintasan> yofel: Uploaded, let's hope rebuild helps
[18:45] <yofel> which reminds me, I still need to figure out how to auto-build -dbg packages
[18:45] <Quintasan> >New mandatory build dependency for kde-workspaces
[18:45] <Quintasan> kde-packagers--
[18:45] <yofel> mgraesslin was drinking too much beer :P
[18:46] <mgraesslin> what?
[18:46] <Quintasan> :O
[18:46] <yofel> mgraesslin: your idea of making opengl mandatory for -workspace
[18:46] <Quintasan> oh btw.
[18:46] <mgraesslin> yofel: any problem with that?
[18:47] <yofel> from us not really (I think) - though I understand that the gentoo folks etc. might not be too happy about it
[18:47] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: I've got kwin-gles package ready though apachelogger said some other packages will need readjustments. Can you tell me what can possibly be broken with GL ES now?
[18:47] <mgraesslin> sorry got to go - back in about 1 h
[18:51] <Quintasan> Y U NO BUILD FASTER NETWORKMANAGER?
[18:51] <jussi> because your cpu sucks?
[18:52] <Quintasan> jussi: PROTIP: I already built it three times here, LP is sllllllllllllooooooooooow
[18:52] <Quintasan> I require beer
[18:53] <Quintasan> I think I had some in the fridge, brb
[18:53] <yofel> Y U NO PUBLISH FASTER LP?
[18:53] <Quintasan> LP == root of all evil
[18:54]  * Quintasan votes for LP to have a separate full-blown machine for KDE-only builds
[18:54] <Quintasan> Like, 16GB ramz so we can build Qt in tmpfs
[18:55] <Quintasan> and quad-core Phenom
[18:55] <shadeslayer> \o/ upgrade to 4.7 via repos is a success in oneiric
[18:55] <KubuntuUser> I think launchpad servers must be having so many builds going on and lots of resource demand
[18:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: see +1 and try again :P
[18:56] <Quintasan> one eye rick?
[18:56] <Quintasan> let me try upgrading that too
[18:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: updating
[18:56] <shadeslayer> did i mention plasma is becoming a PITA
[18:56] <yofel> why?
[18:57] <KubuntuUser> PITA ?
[18:57] <shadeslayer> Plasma and QML don't like my QStringList associated with one key
[18:57] <Quintasan> KubuntuUser: Pain In The Ass
[18:57] <yofel> ah, O is fine now
[18:57] <shadeslayer> might have to re write my dataengine :P
[18:57] <Quintasan> I require more ram on my pc
[18:58]  * Quintasan will buy + 4GB DDR3 tomorrow
[18:58] <Quintasan> VirtualBox > kvm
[18:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yofel http://wstaw.org/m/2011/07/28/plasma-desktopr21294.jpg
[18:59] <shadeslayer> that just popped up on #plasma
[18:59] <Quintasan> What be that
[18:59] <yofel> niiiiice
[18:59] <Quintasan> Desktop?
[18:59] <yofel> looks gnome-ish though
[18:59] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[19:00] <shadeslayer> uh
[19:01] <shadeslayer> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[19:01] <shadeslayer> kde-window-manager kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin kubuntu-desktop
[19:01] <Quintasan> huh?
[19:01] <Quintasan> Where?
[19:01] <Quintasan> refresh ur sources
[19:01] <shadeslayer> one-eye-ric
[19:01] <shadeslayer> i just dud
[19:01] <shadeslayer> s/dud/did/
[19:01] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "i just did"
[19:01] <Quintasan> :/
[19:01] <yofel> I got that  a while ago, your mirror is slow :P
[19:01] <Quintasan> kubotu: shut up, k?
[19:01] <yofel> bah
[19:01]  * yofel hits debfx
[19:02] <yofel> Unpacking kde-wallpapers-default (from .../kde-wallpapers-default_4%3a4.7.0-0ubuntu1~natty1~ppa2_all.deb) ...
[19:02] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-wallpapers-default_4%3a4.7.0-0ubuntu1~natty1~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack):
[19:02] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/wallpapers/Horos/contents/images/1920x1200.png', which is also in package kde-wallpapers 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[19:02] <shadeslayer> yofel: sure, the main archives are slow
[19:02] <yofel> or wait, sorry debfx
[19:02] <yofel> that never made it into the archive
[19:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: add bash <target> to kubotu k?
[19:03] <shadeslayer> yofel: you better watch out in tf2 now :P
[19:03] <debfx> ouch!
[19:03] <Quintasan> yofel is playing TF?
[19:03] <yofel> Quintasan: not yet
[19:03] <Quintasan> How about we raid some server after we release 4.7?
[19:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: if he does, in the future
[19:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: sure :P
[19:05] <yofel> shadeslayer: archive not fixed either, I just had natty ninjas enabled too which had the right package
[19:05] <yofel> needs scott to look at NEW
[19:06] <shadeslayer> yus, so archives are broken -> alert +1
[19:06] <yofel> I'm looking at too many archives at the same time @_@
[19:07] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[19:12] <yofel> fun, add staging to natty -> 79 removals ^^
[19:12] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:13] <shadeslayer> want me to test the natty upgrade too?
[19:13] <yofel> wait a bit
[19:14] <yofel> then help me testing kdepim with 4.6 first
[19:14] <shadeslayer> sure
[19:14] <shadeslayer> but iirc i have KDE PIM 4.7 on the old machine
[19:15] <yofel> ah
[19:15]  * shadeslayer starts writing ugly workarounds around QML and Plasma
[19:26] <yofel> Quintasan: NM seem fun -.-
[19:27] <yofel> *seems
[19:30] <yofel> great, now I have 275 removals
[19:30] <yofel> progress
[19:40] <yofel> bah, the kdepim packages obviously depend on kde-runtime :S
[19:40] <yofel> apachelogger: we can't conveniently say that people that want 4.7 on natty are adventurous enough for kdepim 4.7? ^^
[19:41] <apachelogger> no we cant
[19:42] <yofel> thought as much...
[19:42] <yofel> then I'll need to write some dummy packages
[19:58] <Quintasan> yofel: rebuild implies more removals?
[20:01] <yofel> no, NM failed to build
[20:01] <yofel> the removals were about kdepim
[20:07] <Quintasan> :S
[20:11] <_Groo_> is it safe to upgrade from ninja now? :D
[20:11] <_Groo_> or wallpapers still breaking stuff?
[20:11] <yofel> no, ~safe - unless you don't want kdepim
[20:12] <yofel> although NM seems broken
[20:12] <_Groo_> nm using 0.9 branch doesnt work with 0.8
[20:12] <_Groo_> which is the one in natty correct?
[20:13] <_Groo_> you need to get 0.8 branch and recompile with 4.7
[20:13] <yofel> we didn't backport the applet, but it didn't work and the rebuild just failed
[20:13] <_Groo_> the author warned the 0.9 branch isnt compatible with 0.8
[20:13] <yofel> I know, nm 0.8 and 0.9 are totally incompatible
[20:13] <_Groo_> yofel: from what i see its the 0.9 branch
[20:13] <yofel> huh?
[20:13] <_Groo_> 0.9~svngit20110408-0ubuntu3~natty1~ppa1
[20:14] <_Groo_> i think you guys need to pull from the 0.8 master tag
[20:14] <_Groo_> for natty
[20:14] <yofel> . . .
[20:14] <yofel> Quintasan: . . .
[20:14] <_Groo_> since natty is using 0.8 :P
[20:14] <_Groo_> and oneiric uses 0.9 :D
[20:14] <Quintasan> FFS
[20:14] <yofel> ah no
[20:14] <yofel> _Groo_: the natty main package is named 0.9 too
[20:15] <yofel> for whatever reason
[20:15] <Quintasan> yeah
[20:15] <Quintasan> ffs
[20:15] <Quintasan> natty has 0.9 uploaded apparently
[20:15]  * yofel just uploaded kde-dummy 0~ppa1
[20:15] <yofel> totally innovative
[20:16] <_Groo_> plasma-widget-networkmanagement                                      0.10~git20100406-0ubuntu1
[20:16] <_Groo_> in natty
[20:16] <_Groo_> beats me
[20:16] <_Groo_> gotta love random version numbers :D
[20:16] <yofel> where the hell did you get that from
[20:16] <yofel> !info plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[20:17] <_Groo_> huuu nvm
[20:17] <_Groo_> its my own build :P from git...
[20:17] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: now bakc to your question - there are no known issues with OpenGL ES for mesa users with at least 7.11
[20:17] <_Groo_> based on the 0.8 tag
[20:17] <yofel> fun
[20:17] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: Great. And file wise?
[20:17] <_Groo_> i upped it to 10... cause im lazy :P and 0.9 would screw me over if i put 0.8
[20:18] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: what do you mean "file wise"?
[20:18] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: *.desktop for effects
[20:18] <_Groo_> yofel: but back to the subject
[20:18] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: KWin GL ES has all effects that normal kwin has?
[20:18] <_Groo_> yofel: i read in the developer blog you need to get 0.8 master cause he did some changes for 4.7 and he also forked 0.9 cause its incompatible with 0.8
[20:19] <_Groo_> yofel: or something very similar
[20:19] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: all except logout, but it does not get loaded even if the desktop file is installed
[20:19] <yofel> great....
[20:19] <yofel> _Groo_: can you make a snapshot for us?
[20:19] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: Great.
[20:19] <_Groo_> yofel: not from work
[20:19] <_Groo_> yofel: my stupid proxy doesnt suppoort svn/git
[20:19] <yofel> ah, let's leave it to Quintasan then
[20:20] <_Groo_> yofel: let me try to track down the blog post, might make things easier for ya guys
[20:21] <mgraesslin> and also back to yofel: do you see an issue with having a build dep on OpenGL|OpenGL ES?
[20:21] <yofel> mgraesslin: I know there are people that might prefer not to have that, but from our POV it wouldn't matter
[20:21] <_Groo_> yofel: this is is blog http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/04/plasma-nm-bluetooth-tethering.html
[20:22] <mgraesslin> yofel: yeah well Gentoo, but I just replied to that :-)
[20:22] <yofel> yeah ^^
[20:22] <mgraesslin> the only ones noticing when it breaks
[20:23] <yofel> _Groo_: oh, we're getting bluetooth support, cool :D
[20:23] <_Groo_> yofel: latest post even says whats the recomended snapshot for both master and 0.9 branch
[20:23] <_Groo_> just go back to the root/index
[20:23] <_Groo_> scroll down the post...
[20:24] <yofel> ah thanks
[20:24] <yofel> Quintasan: ^
[20:25] <_Groo_> yofel: end story if i got it right... 0.9 branch only works with 0.9, 0.8 MASTER works with 0.8 for both 4.6 and 4.7, but you need a pretty recent 0.8 master for it to compile in 4.7
[20:25] <yofel> seems so
[20:25] <_Groo_> since hes doing all work in 0.9 and backporting what he can to 0.8
[20:26] <Quintasan> so we need a snapshot for natty?
[20:26] <_Groo_> Quintasan: prolly quin
[20:26] <yofel> yep, see the hashes on the blog
[20:26] <_Groo_> see the blog
[20:26] <yofel> we should probably update the nm09 package in O too
[20:26] <_Groo_> go to the bottom of the last post, and try the snapshot for 0.8 master he recommends
[20:26] <yofel> ok, back to 80 removals from 275
[20:27] <_Groo_> btw calligra weekly snapshot is ready :)
[20:27] <_Groo_> they are renaming the new names to calligra<name> i wonder why ;)
[20:27] <_Groo_> before gnome trolls start shipping word, flow and plan too XD
[20:28] <yofel> DS will be fun ^^
[20:28] <_Groo_> ds?
[20:29] <yofel> desktop summit
[20:29] <_Groo_> ah yes
[20:29] <_Groo_> pitty i cant attend
[20:29] <_Groo_> im poor, and no one sponsors me, not even my boss :P
[20:29] <yofel> ah, I'm ~98% sure I can go
[20:30] <_Groo_> yofel: being the 2% chance of being hit by a bus?
[20:30] <yofel> no, depending what comes out of an appointment tomorrow, I won't go into details
[20:31] <_Groo_> Oracle values open source and will continue to work with open source communities, but it is driven by customer needs and solutions
[20:32] <_Groo_> ah... like the king in game of thrones said... dont listen to anything that comes before a BUT
[20:32] <yofel> that re OOo?
[20:32] <_Groo_> about opensource in oscon
[20:32] <yofel> ah
[20:33] <_Groo_> readying... dont listen dont listen ... BUT it is driven by customer needs and solutions
[20:33] <_Groo_> which means, dont trsut them, fork the, stay away from them
[20:33] <yofel> is there something we didn't fork yet?
[20:33] <_Groo_> virtualbox
[20:33] <_Groo_> so far so good
[20:34] <yofel> well, that's still usable
[20:34] <_Groo_> lets see how far the poor guys can go before they are "outsourced for innovation"
[20:34] <_Groo_> or some other stupid line with innovation, customer satisfaction and beat the competition in it
[20:35] <yofel> well, at least we here are only pretty loosly bound to canonical ^^
[20:35] <_Groo_> canonical for the better or the worse IS a open source company
[20:35] <_Groo_> with a dictator for life, but still
[20:35] <_Groo_> oracle is a shark, always was always will be
[20:35] <yofel> someone take the right to name the releases away from him and I'm happy
[20:36] <_Groo_> yofel: lol
[20:36] <yofel> yay, down to 1 removal
[20:36] <_Groo_> yofel: im waiting for the day he says kubuntu will use unity by default :D
[20:36] <_Groo_> yofel: not that will change anything but...
[20:36] <yofel> now I want to hit the one that split kate out of kdelibs -.-
[20:36] <yofel> _Groo_: we'll fork kubuntu .P
[20:36] <yofel> :P
[20:37] <_Groo_> yofel: kate binary or libkate?
[20:37] <_Groo_> yofel: no need
[20:37] <yofel> libkatepartinterfaces4
[20:37] <_Groo_> yofel: just ship kde as default... and leave unity 2d (whatever name) for the noobs
[20:37] <yofel> true
[20:37] <_Groo_> yofel: wha? why did they take kate out of kdelibs?
[20:37] <yofel> _Groo_: ask... *whoever*
[20:38]  * _Groo_ invokes the kde god, aseigo appear before me!
[20:38] <yofel> now we at least have a fun circular dep: kdelibs5-plugins dep on katepart, kate build-deps on kdelibs
[20:38] <_Groo_> oh yeah i forgot
[20:38] <_Groo_> aseigo
[20:38] <_Groo_> aseigo
[20:38] <_Groo_> aseigo
[20:38] <_Groo_> didnt work :P
[20:38] <_Groo_> maybe i need to wait a few minutes
[20:39] <yofel> now what do I do...
[20:39] <_Groo_> yofel: lol poor yofel :D
[20:39] <yofel> put kate together with kdepim and hope it'll break nothing when used with 4.6?
[20:40] <_Groo_> yofel: but kate client will work? what if ppl doenst install kdepim?
[20:40] <yofel> _Groo_: situation: we'll have 4.7 in backports, and pim 4.7 in experimental. Now: try using 4.6.5 from updates with pim 4.7
[20:40] <_Groo_> yofel: how about make a libkatepackage and link to there?
[20:41] <yofel> would still require backporting kate, but I could throw the other binaries out I guess
[20:41] <_Groo_> yofel: so if you use  4.7 and pim4.7 you dont need to do squat
[20:41] <_Groo_> and if you use 4.6.x and pim4.7 put that package as dependency
[20:42] <yofel> _Groo_: yes, you don't. But this is about 4.6.5 + the people that have experimental already on
[20:42] <_Groo_> read above :D
[20:42] <yofel> if anyhow possible I don't want to totally foobar their system
[20:42] <_Groo_> the package would be precisely for that scenario
[20:42] <_Groo_> if we cant break users desktops why do we do all this much work? thats my motivation...
[20:42] <_Groo_> my ultimate price is to totally crash linux dekstop
[20:42] <_Groo_> linus*
[20:43] <yofel> you are using oneiric, are you?
[20:43] <_Groo_> natty
[20:43] <yofel> you're boring
[20:43] <_Groo_> k ill do something else
[20:43] <yofel> :P
[20:44] <_Groo_> but think about what i said... libkatewhatever for kdepim4.7 with 4.6x as dependency.. and dont toucha  thing for kde4.7 with kdepim 4.7
[20:44] <yofel> I already have dummy packages, but this would be an issue of versioning
[20:44] <yofel> or well, I could use 4.6.10 or so I guess
[20:45] <yofel> I'm not convinced that would work though
[20:45]  * yofel looks at symbol files
[20:45] <shadeslayer> i feel like jumping off the top of my house
[20:46] <yofel> you can't be worse off than me right now
[20:46] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:46] <shadeslayer> been trying to get my plasmoid to connect to my dataengine
[20:46] <shadeslayer> nothing
[20:49] <Quintasan> yofel: For master branch: bb6e3b82dd23f05df8d875627622195e291b5a6d
[20:49] <Quintasan> We want this?
[20:49] <yofel> I would say so
[20:49] <shadeslayer> i'm sleeping
[20:49] <shadeslayer> night guys
[20:49] <yofel> gn
[20:49] <Quintasan> where the hell is the code?
[20:49] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: gn
[20:49] <yofel> git clone kde:networkmanager ?
[20:49] <bambee> shadeslayer: night
[20:50] <Quintasan> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
[20:50] <Quintasan> lol
[20:50] <yofel> ah well, I'll backport kate and just install the lib
[20:51] <yofel> let's see what break
[20:51] <yofel> *breaks
[20:52] <yofel> 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1~natty1~ppa1~exp1 is also a fun version
[20:53] <Quintasan> yofel: How do I do this shit?
[20:53] <Quintasan> git branch bb6e3b82dd23f05df8d875627622195e291b5a6d ?
[20:53] <yofel> uh, git checkout or reset I think
[20:53] <yofel> lemme try
[20:54] <yofel> use checkout
[20:54] <yofel> and ignore the detached head warning
[20:55] <bambee> Quintasan: what do you want to do ?
[20:55] <Quintasan> bambee: create a snapshot of plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[20:55] <Quintasan> bb6e3b82dd23f05df8d875627622195e291b5a6d
[20:55] <Quintasan> this one
[20:55] <bambee> it's not possible via gitweb?
[20:56] <Quintasan> *shurg*
[20:56] <bambee> (usually git web interfaces have a "create tarball" button somewhere)
[20:56] <bambee> (at least it's possible with cgit)
[20:56] <Quintasan> yofel: Should I name it 0.8 or still 0.9?
[20:56] <yofel> obviously 0.9 or how do you expect apt to downgrade
[20:57]  * bambee blames gitweb.k.o
[20:58] <yofel> they use quickgit, no idea if that can do it
[20:59] <bambee> Quintasan: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=networkmanagement.git&a=commit&h=bb6e3b82dd23f05df8d875627622195e291b5a6d    this one?
[20:59] <Quintasan> I got it
[20:59] <bambee> click on "snapshot"
[20:59] <bambee> ;)
[20:59] <bambee> magic :D
[21:00] <yofel> good to know
[21:00] <Quintasan> phailed
[21:00] <Quintasan> :/
[21:00] <Quintasan> kubuntu_05_save_autoconnect_settings.diff
[21:00] <Quintasan> THIS PATCH
[21:00] <bambee> already applied on upstream?
[21:02] <Quintasan_> not really
[21:03] <yofel_> patches are the art of increasing the pain caused by the system to a user and developer to never seen heights
[21:09] <Quintasan> DIE
[21:09] <Quintasan> DIE
[21:09] <Quintasan> DIE
[21:09] <Quintasan> IN A FIRE
[21:10] <Quintasan> Uploading
[21:11] <Quintasan> oh wait
[21:11] <Quintasan> yofel: Why didn't we fucking checked the buildlog?
[21:11] <Quintasan> it installs .so.4.6.0 T_T
[21:12] <yofel> I would still take a snapshot, he *did* fix 4.7 related bugs
[21:12] <Quintasan> k
[21:12] <yofel> s/would/should/
[21:12] <kubotu> yofel meant: "I should still take a snapshot, he *did* fix 4.7 related bugs"
[21:12] <yofel> nvm
[21:12] <yofel> I'm too tried
[21:12] <yofel> *tired
[21:42] <Quintasan> CURSES
[21:44]  * Quintasan grabs Dr. Pepper
[21:51] <maco> Quintasan: curses or ncurses?
[21:52] <Quintasan> I think ncurses
[21:58] <Quintasan> yofel: This "fixed" nm is even more broken
[21:58] <Quintasan> yofel: https://i76193716.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/76193716/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.9~svngit20110728-0ubuntu3~natty1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=758a6a9bedb617f2ee8feb0b2d6d0b5b
[22:05] <yofel> just great
[22:05]  * yofel tries to build here
[22:07]  * yofel tries his kdpim attempt in the meanwhile
[22:08] <bambee> woo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAqRR5aaLUY
[22:08] <yofel> people have too much free time
[22:12]  * yofel wonders why the hell it's 12:11 AM here
[22:12] <yofel> tons TODO and I need to get some sleep soon -.-
[22:18] <yofel> Quintasan: IMO it's the kubuntu_05 patch that breaks it
[22:18] <yofel> just building without it
[22:18] <yofel> which seems to have been cherry picked from upstream in the first place
[22:23] <yofel> ok, at least the upgrade to kdepim didn't barf
[22:24] <yofel> ok, kate, kile and kdevelop work so kate shouldn't be broken
[22:25] <yofel> hm, kmail runs too
[22:25] <yofel> "using KDE Platform Version 4.7.00 (4.7.0)"
[22:25] <yofel> fun version
[22:26] <yofel> ok, this is usable, hurray
[22:27] <yofel> hm, knetworkmanager is gone here too...
[23:14] <yofel> k, fixed and uploaded
[23:14]  * yofel goes to bed and continues 4.7 tomorrow
[23:42] <debfx> apachelogger: I've finally implemented the source package => desktop file gettext domain mapping in pkg-kde-tools: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/pkg-kde-tools/pkg-kde-tools/revision/326
[23:44] <apachelogger> debfx++


  Why does Update Manager run every time I start up my UbuntuStudio VM when I have configured it to NEVER check for updates?
[06:42] <d3n4riu5> yao
[18:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Is there a reason why JACK can't use PulseAudio?
[18:42] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: sure
[18:42] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: pulse audio has not been written for jack
[18:42] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: there is a pulse audio sink... dbus.. included in JACK now
[18:43] <SonikkuAmerica> So I have to route it through DBus?
[18:43] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: you *get* to route pulse through the dbus
[18:43] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: it allows using pulse with jack
[18:43] <holstein> !proaudio
[18:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh. I was trying to figure that out a couple of days ago and couldn't figure out why the heck I could only use ALSA (which doesn't work with my headphones)
[18:44] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204#The_Pulse_Audio_to_Jack_Bridge_-_using_both_at_once for example
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> That helps immensely. It's especially hard to find stuff because I installed the ubuntustudio pointers on top of Lubuntu rather than use the !studio image
[18:46] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: doesnt matter.. just be sure you have all the packages you need installed
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[18:46] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: it'll all work the same, though, you need to add pulse as well to lubuntu
[18:47] <holstein> might want to just use the ubuntustudio or xubuntu iso's and add lxde to that
[18:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, I have all the pointers... and pavucontrol replaces alsamixer in the volume control
[18:47] <holstein> should be fine then ... enjoy!