[03:29] <KaiL> gnome: has lost a lot of features since 1.4 days, look&feel similar to MacOS
[03:29] <error403> never ceases to amaze me, some of the package names.... like 'kitchensync'
[03:29] <error403> lol
[03:29] <Chislon_> oh
[03:29] <mrmanic> kitchensync is pretty cool
[03:29] <Chislon_> well and how does xfce compare?
[03:29] <KaiL> xfce: very fast, look&feel similar to traditional Unix desktops like CDE
[03:30] <mrmanic> I only wish the pocketpc konnector supported my phoen
[03:30] <mrmanic> er, phone
[03:30] <Chislon_> i did the ubuntu livecd which had gnome, then did freesbie which had xfce, i liked xfce alot better
[03:30] <error403> ARGH!
[03:30] <error403> dammit....
[03:30] <KaiL> ?
[03:31] <error403> Sarge starting on a 2.4 kernel
[03:31] <markc>  me shakes my head
[03:31] <KaiL> 2.4?
[03:31] <KaiL> no?
[03:31] <KaiL> and I wanted to ask, if they install udev as default - this should answer that question....
[03:32] <Dreumah> how do i install deb package that i downloaded?
[03:32] <KaiL> dpkg -i <file>
[03:32] <snowseal> how would i disable konqeror as default web-brwoser?
[03:33] <markc> snowseal> just don't use it :)
[03:34] <markc> snowseal> from what other application(s) ?
[03:34] <dreumah> so how do i install a deb package i downloaded?
[03:34] <RetroMan> dpkg
[03:34] <snowseal> mark gaim
[03:34] <markc> KaiL said dpkg -i file.deb
[03:34] <RetroMan> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[03:35] <markc> snowseal> surely gaim has a config option for it's default browser ?
[03:35] <snowseal> markc: with all the apps it seems. Konversation too
 how would i disable konqeror as default web-brwoser? << wrong question. Would be "how would I set xyz as default web-browser?"
[03:35] <Chislon_> KaiL, i like that xfce is very fast
[03:36] <Chislon_> KaiL, but coming from windows would it be better to start on kde?
[03:36] <snowseal> KaiL:  would you know?
[03:36] <KaiL> snowseal: you mean for use in kde?
[03:36] <markc> snowseal> I think most apps have their own default browser settings, I don't think there is a global desktop wide default
[03:36] <snowseal> KaiL: yes, i prefer firefox
[03:36] <snowseal> oh. k
[03:36] <KaiL> Chislon_: well, I'd always prefer kde, not only for new users :)
[03:37] <RetroMan> kde rocks
[03:37] <Chislon_> why do you prefer kde over xfce?
[03:37] <markc> KaiL> and for old and experienced users too !
[03:37] <RetroMan> because kde's hotter
[03:37] <KaiL> snowseal: there's a global one for KDE: kontrolcenter -> kde components -> konponent selection -> web browser
[03:38] <KaiL> Chislon_: more integrated apps and so on
[03:38] <markc> KaiL> yes but only a few KDE apps actually use that setting, gaim and such don't
[03:38] <Chislon_> well like what all, how does that work, what does that fully mean?
[03:38] <KaiL> markc: gaim isn't KDE ;)
[03:38] <RetroMan> gaim is gnome
[03:39] <Tm_T> nah
[03:39] <Tm_T> gaim is gtk
[03:39] <markc> KaiL> that's what I mean, Chislon_> asked about a default browser for gaim, for instance
[03:39] <RetroMan> well, ya
[03:39] <Tm_T> yeah, anf gaim have its own "browser settings"
[03:40] <Tm_T> s/anf/and
[03:40] <snowseal> KaiL: yay, that worked. nice
[03:40] <KaiL> Chislon_: for you can use the kio functions in all apps - to save a file from an email directly to fish:/user@host:/path (=my webserver) is really nice ;)
[03:40] <Chislon_> i asked about a default browser for gaim?
[03:40] <mrmanic> Chislon_: kde has some really nice features, the greatest of which, IMO, is kioslaves.
[03:41] <Chislon_> KaiL, i dont know what what you just said means
[03:41] <Chislon_> i dont know what any of it means lol
[03:41] <markc> totally agree about kioslaves, better than win/mac
[03:41] <mrmanic> Chislon_: kioslaves allow you to access remote filesystems as local filesystems without mounting
[03:41] <Tm_T> I don't use them
[03:42] <KaiL> Chislon_: you can directly save from _every_ KDE file dialog over ssh to a remote server (and other such funktions)
[03:42] <Tm_T> I use sshfs
[03:42] <Chislon_> ok
[03:42] <mrmanic> Chislon_: also they allow you to dig into archive files in order to access files within those.
[03:42] <mrmanic> Chislon_: all from konquerer or any kde-based program
[03:42] <markc> Chislon_: as an example, you can use an editor (like kate) to edit a remote web page without having to use ftp to upload it all the time, same thing from nearly any kde app
[03:42] <Chislon_> can kde run all the same stuff gnome does?
[03:43] <KaiL> you can run every app on every desktop
[03:43] <Tm_T> markc: as an example I can't use gimp that way, that's why sshfs is just better ;)
[03:43] <markc> Chislon_> gnome and kde apps can coexist quite happily
[03:43] <Chislon_> ok
[03:44] <Tm_T> Chislon_: I use Gaim, Firefox, Thunderbird, Gimp etc etc in my KDE desktop
[03:44] <Chislon_> so how do i uninstall gnome and install kde, and uninstall the gnome apps i dont want, and install the kde ones i want
[03:44] <Chislon_> Tm_T, i want to use those progs
[03:44] <Tm_T> yeah, I bet
[03:44] <Chislon_> well i dont know what the other Gaim is like
[03:44] <Chislon_> er what kde's gaim like thing is
[03:44] <markc> Chislon_> just "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[03:44] <Chislon_> but i want ff, thunderbird, gimp
[03:45] <Chislon_> i have to do sudo tho right?
[03:45] <markc> Chislon_> if you already have them onboard they'll probably still be there after kde is also installed
[03:45] <mrmanic> kopete is a little buggy still
[03:45] <Chislon_> markc, i dunno what that means, onboard? u mean if htey are already on my comp they will still be there?
[03:45] <Chislon_> whats kopete
[03:45] <markc> Chislon_> ah, yeah, I keep forgetting about sudo... I just do a sudo -i once in a shell and lose all sudoness
[03:45] <Chislon_> ok
[03:46] <mrmanic> Chislon_: kopete is the kde chat client.
[03:46] <KaiL> Chislon_: IM client and known as one of the most unstable KDE apps
[03:46] <Firetech> mrmanic: kopete isn't buggy if you enable hoary-updates in sources.list...
[03:46] <Chislon_> what.. what disc does it want me to put in my drive?? the install disk
[03:46] <markc> Chislon_> onboard is slang for "already installed"
[03:46] <Chislon_> ?
[03:46] <Chislon_> ok
[03:46] <mrmanic> Firetech: that's actually false.  I'll agree that it's not AS buggy, though.
[03:47] <Firetech> I use it, I don't find it buggy, nor unstable.
[03:47] <mrmanic> it still crashes when I do some things.
[03:47] <Chislon_> why does it need an ubuntu disk, img uessing its the install disc? i threw it away, i can get it, but do i need to keep it around?
[03:47] <mrmanic> Chislon_: you probably need to update your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[03:47] <Firetech> although, I use 0.10.2 (KDE 3.4.1)
[03:47] <Chislon_> lol
[03:47] <kucing_sampah> test
[03:47] <markc> Chislon_> if you have your /etc/apt/sources.list file setup right then you can just apt-get everything off the net
[03:47] <mrmanic> Firetech: I also use that.
[03:48] <Chislon_> ok... so should i put my cd in now tho for this
[03:48] <Firetech> mrmanic: what is wrong then?
[03:48] <markc> Chislon_> if it's an ubuntu CD then it won't have any kde packages on it
[03:48] <Firetech> It works fine for me with MSN, ICQ and Jabber
[03:48] <dreumah> hello, i am trying to get the kvirc on my amd64 kubuntu, is there a package, can it be done?
[03:48] <Chislon_> like while its doing that i can do whatever right? well it asked for ti.. lol
[03:49] <mrmanic> Firetech: when I remove contacts from my contact list and re-add them in another group, it crashes
[03:49] <markc> Chislon_> you will need to get 100mb to 200mb of packages though
[03:49] <Chislon_> so what do i do, its loading that stuff righ tnow?
[03:49] <Chislon_> fromt he cd whatever its loading
[03:49] <Firetech> mrmanic: well, I don't use groups...
[03:50] <mrmanic> Firetech: with some contacts in AIM, I don't get any messages that they send me.
[03:50] <mrmanic> Firetech: I end up having to delete them and re-add them to my contact list
[03:50] <Firetech> I don't use AIM, noone I know uses it.
[03:50] <mrmanic> which ends up crashing kopete
[03:50] <markc> dreumah> apt-cache show kvirc <- mine says amd64
[03:50] <mrmanic> :\
[03:50] <dreumah> but that isnt the latest
[03:51] <mrmanic> dreumah: have you tried an apt-get update?
[03:51] <dreumah> i want 3.2 on the repo it is 2.7something
[03:51] <markc> dreumah> kvirc 3.2 may simply not be availoable as a kubuntu deb yet
[03:51] <Firetech> mrmanic and markc: the kvirc in universe is pretty much outdated
[03:51] <Chameleon22> are there any packages for php-gtk so i dont have to build it from source?
[03:51] <mrmanic> ah
[03:52] <dreumah> how about just kvirc 3
[03:52] <Firetech> dreumah: I use kvirc 3.2.0, i386, though...
[03:52] <dreumah> damn
[03:52] <Firetech> why not make a 32-bit chroot?
[03:52] <dreumah> sometimes i hate being special
[03:52] <dreumah> huh?
[03:53] <Firetech> 2 sec
[03:53] <dreumah> what do i do?
[03:53] <markc> Firetech> is their a ubuntu howto for that somewhere ?
[03:54] <Firetech> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[03:54] <markc> Firetech> cool, thanks
[03:55] <Chislon_> why does it say kdm not kde?
[03:55] <markc> I'm on the verge of moving back to gentoo... I didn't realise how well advanced their amd64 bit situation was... is
[03:55] <markc> Chislon_> kdm is just the login manager
[03:56] <dreumah> is gentoo an easy install?
[03:56] <Firetech> that guide covers how to make /usr/bin symlinks so you can run synaptic32 in the normal environment and get 32-bit synaptic via the chroot
[03:56] <markc> dreumah> hmm, no, harder, everything has to be compiled from ssource
[03:56] <KaiL> dreumah: not really
[03:56] <Chislon_> ok, markc it seems to be doing kde fromt his cd alright so far??
[03:57] <KaiL> if installing ubuntu is to hard for you, get a toaster - Windows is harder
[03:57] <markc> Chislon_> well if it has KDE debs on it then go for it
[03:58] <Chislon_> i have no idea
[03:58] <Firetech> dreumah: gentoo's package system (portage/emerge) builds every package from source on your computer, which can take a LOT of time.
[03:58] <Chislon_> ok last thing it did was say setting up kubuntu-desktop and then it went back to the command promp, so didi it work? if so what do i do now
[03:59] <markc> Chislon_> dpkg --get-selections | grep kde ... and see if there are a heap of kde debs installed
[03:59] <Chislon_> dpkg?
[03:59] <Firetech> Chislon_: try logging out and choose KDE under "session"
[04:00] <Chislon_> Firetech, thanks
[04:00] <Chislon_> markc, how do i know if its a deb or not
[04:00] <Firetech> Chislon_: everything shown there are debs
[04:00] <markc> Chislon_> all te results of that dpkg command are "debs"
[04:01] <Chislon_> ok i have 29
[04:02] <markc> Chislon_> and does "which dpkg" return something ?
[04:02] <Chislon_> i type that in or?
[04:02] <Chameleon22> are there any packages for php-gtk so i dont have to build it from source?
[04:02] <Chislon_> /usr/bin/dpkg
[04:02] <markc> Chislon_> swipe it with your mouse and middle mouse button paste it into a shell
[04:03] <Chislon_> markc, oh kool
[04:03] <markc> Chislon_> sorry, I misread someone elses line
[04:03] <Chislon_> no problem
[04:03] <Chislon_> good tip to know
[04:04] <Chislon_> i think im just using Terminal, is this correct to do?
[04:04] <dreumah> i want kvirc for amd64
[04:04] <markc> Chislon_> it's ironic that a mouse is a shell users best friend :)
[04:04] <Chislon_> i finally won at four in a row
[04:04] <Chislon_> markc, heh heh
[04:04] <Chislon_> markc, so what do i do now?
[04:05] <markc> Chislon_> someone suggested logging out and with a bit of luck you'll get a login manager that allows you to select the kde desktop
[04:05] <Chislon_> ok
[04:05] <Chislon_> and then youc an tell me to do that stuff u were talking about where i wont need a cd and it updates it all?
[04:05] <Chislon_> i can safely throw this cd out now>
[04:05] <Chislon_> ?
[04:06] <markc> Chislon_> otherwise just quit out of X and change to your normal user then "start /usr/bin/startkde"
[04:06] <markc> startx /usr/bin/startkde
[04:06] <Chislon_> ya i dunno how to do that one, so ill try the other
[04:06] <Chislon_> oh
[04:06] <Chislon_> which should i do?
[04:07] <markc> Chislon_> try a "normal" logout first, then if that fails use control-alt-backspace to kill X and do the startx thing
[04:08] <markc>  <sigh> I must be bored
[04:10] <Chislon_> ok
[04:10] <Chislon_> i clicked kde, and i told it to set as default
[04:10] <Chislon_> am i a real kubuntu person now?^^
[04:10] <markc> Chislon_> well now you can ask real questions :)
[04:10] <error403> damn, anyoine know how i add my cedega installation to Point2Play?
[04:10] <Firetech> not really, I guess you're still using gdm as the login manager
[04:11] <Chislon_> heh heh ok, so i could say that i have kubuntu atleast right? :)
[04:11] <buz> does anybody know where to get all the classes for the lyx examples? they all seem to be missing
[04:11] <markc> Chislon_> ask some kde questions and we'll elt you know :)
[04:12] <Firetech> Chislon_: when you got the gdm or kdm question, which did you choose?
[04:12] <Chislon_> heh heh :)
[04:12] <mikl> is there a console command you can use to show messages on the desktop of a user logged on to the system?
[04:12] <Chislon_> Firetech, you mean when installing from the cd thing? i chose kdm, and when i went to my login screen it was the different colored background, but was set to Default, and i clicked kde, and it didnt change, but what is defautl? is that nothing?
[04:13] <Firetech> that's nothing
[04:13] <Firetech> did it say kubuntu?
[04:13] <Firetech> If so, then it was kdm
[04:14] <Chislon_> heh i dunno didnt notice brb
[04:14] <markc> mikl> you might be able to do a "w", see what tty device they are using and "echo something > /dev/tty" kinda thing
[04:15] <Chislon_> the login screen said ubuntu, the next screen said kubuntu
[04:16] <snowseal> can i detelte gdm from my package manager after isntalling all of kde?
[04:16] <mikl> snowseal: yes
[04:16] <Firetech> snowseal: absolutely.
[04:17] <Chislon_> Firetech, so what does that tell us or?
[04:17] <Firetech> Chislon_: press alt+F2, type in "konsole"
[04:17] <Chislon_> markc, can i throw the install cd away now, and how do i set that stuff up you were talking about for updating
[04:17] <Chislon_> Firetech, ok
[04:17] <Firetech> Chislon_:  then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" (without the quotes
[04:17] <snowseal> hmm all the gnome apps stop working if i do that?
[04:17] <Firetech> choose kdm and then enter
[04:17] <Chislon_> Firetech, what will that do
[04:17] <Chislon_> ok
[04:18] <markc> Chislon_> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:18] <Firetech> choose kdm instead of gdm, which you're apparently using
[04:18] <djim> mikl: see if linpopup does what you need. Alternatively, ssh to their box and type: xmessage -display :0 "<Message goes here>"
[04:18] <Chislon_> Firetech, the middle button copy paste doenst work there?
[04:18] <Firetech> it should do
[04:19] <Firetech> snowseal: I haven't got gdm, yet I use gedit a lot :P
[04:19] <Chislon_> Firetech, it didnt seem to, and doing that it failed
[04:20] <Firetech> Chislon_: are you sure you chose kdm during the installation?
[04:20] <Chislon_> i cant get the middle button to copy paste
[04:20] <Chislon_> Firetech, the installation of what, i installed ubuntu, then markc  had me like install kubuntu-destop, and yes im sure i chose kdm
[04:20] <Firetech> you could try pressing both the other buttons on the mouse
[04:20] <Firetech> hmm
[04:21] <Firetech> then ignore what I said earlier and do this:
[04:21] <Chislon_> markc, do i do that in konsole?
[04:22] <Chislon_> ya both other buttons worked
[04:22] <Firetech> press ctrl+alt+F1 and login there (the password won't echo) > run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" (this will kill your X session) > then run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start"
[04:22] <markc> Chislon_> I was only going to suggest to add universe to your sources.list, then apt-get update again so you can get at other non-standard packages
[04:22] <Chislon_> marc, i did what you said before, now im at a page i dont know what to do, and can i throw my install cd awya now safely?
[04:22] <markc> Chislon_> so you don't need to do it, but yes, you would do so in konsole
[04:23] <Chislon_> Firetech, i did the comman markc said so ill have to wait till i figure htat out as its up right now
[04:23] <Chislon_> markc, i did do ur command
[04:24] <Chislon_> can i throw the install cd away now?
[04:24] <Chislon_> and what do i do here now
[04:24] <markc> Chislon> probably, you can keep going by apt-get'ting everything from the net now
[04:24] <Chislon_> ?
[04:24] <markc> Chislon> apt-get update
[04:24] <Chislon_> its got some screen deb cdrom stuff deb htpp deb src
[04:25] <Chislon_> and does that mean i can throw away the cd?
[04:25] <markc> Chislon_> control-x to quit out of nano, yes, you can remove your cd
[04:25] <Chislon_> it says uncomment the following two lines to add software from the universe repository?
[04:25] <Chislon_> can i throw it away tho? the cd
[04:25] <markc> Chislon_> yes, do that
[04:25] <Chislon_> how
[04:26] <markc> Chislon_> remove the # at the front of those two lines
[04:26] <Firetech> Chislon_:  did you do anything at that screen with cdrom, deb etc.?
[04:26] <markc> Chislon_> control-x to quit out of nano
[04:26] <Chislon_> the following two lines says ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[04:26] <Chislon_> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[04:26] <Chislon_> i just messed it up
[04:26] <markc> Chislon_> you don't HAVE to do this, it just enables extra packages
[04:27] <Chislon_> cuz i clicked on the # to delte it and then it jumped up to the top and i dleted or added something up there?
[04:27] <Chislon_> markc, i dont get why you keep saying htat, i want to do it, i just dont know how
[04:27] <Chislon_> Firetech, i dont now? im not sure what that means
[04:27] <markc> Chislon_> you are in the kde desktop, you are a kubuntu user, everything from now on is normal debain/kubuntu usage... be happy :)
[04:27] <Firetech> do as markc says
[04:28] <Chislon_> the line that it jumped says team, and may not be under a free license.  please satisfy yourself as deb cdrom:stuff, did i mess it up? and i dont know how to take away the ## from the lines
[04:28] <Chislon_> nor do i udnerstand how taking it from those lines will doa nything as its just teck
[04:28] <markc> Chislon_> I didn't relalize you never used nano before, sorry
[04:28] <Chislon_> er text
[04:28] <Chislon_> markc, oh ok, no problem, im really new
[04:28] <Firetech> Chislon_: just press ctrl+x and then n
[04:29] <Chislon_> i didn tuncomment the lines tho
[04:29] <Chislon_> and i think i changed a different line?
[04:29] <Firetech> and let markc choose a different editor for you ;)
[04:29] <Chislon_> well what about that line i may have messed up?
[04:29] <markc> easier than nano !!! :)
[04:29] <Firetech> markc: perhaps a graphical one
[04:29] <snowseal> ah, im kubuntu now.
[04:29] <markc> Chislon_> edit it again and put the # (commnets) characters back at the front of the line
[04:30] <snowseal> is there any way to tweak the geforce drivers? GL isnt performing very well.
[04:30] <Firetech> nano is simple, if you're used to text editors.
[04:30] <Chislon_> markc, i dont think i took the # away, it jumped up to a different line, and i think i changed some text after a ## or soemthing
[04:30] <Firetech> *text mode editors
[04:30] <markc> Firetech> but if he is a normal user then how does he edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? (I'd be interested to knwo that)
[04:31] <Firetech> markc, sudo gedit works fine
[04:31] <markc> Firetech> oh, okay, cool
[04:31] <Firetech> kde edtors aren't really friendly with sudo
[04:31] <Chislon_> so what do i do about that line?
[04:31] <Firetech> Chislon_: press ctrl+X and then n, to exit without saving
[04:32] <markc> Chislon_> just do an "apt-get update" and see if it complains, if not, don't worry
[04:32] <Firetech> then do the same command but exchange nano with gedit
[04:32] <Chislon_> hitting ctrl x n on the apge didnt do anything
[04:32] <Chislon_> ok got it
[04:32] <Chislon_> i think i hit above the page
[04:32] <markc> Firetech> I always just sudo -i then use a nice nano alias to edit whatever I want without having to think about it
[04:32] <Firetech> not in apt-get, I thought you still were in nano
[04:33] <Chislon_> i was
[04:33] <Chislon_> ok sorry... whats the line now?
[04:33] <Firetech> markc: that's one way to do it
[04:33] <Firetech> Chislon_:  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:33] <markc> alias e='nano -w -t -x -c -R ' <- that is the fastest and easiest editor on the planet
[04:34] <Firetech> to all KDE lovers: I know gedit is gnome, but k* editors haven't been friendly to my sudo
[04:34] <Chislon_> Firetech, ok i got that open now
[04:34] <Chislon_> its the same thing that nano did
[04:34] <Firetech> remove the # 's in front of the universe-stuff
[04:34] <Chislon_> ok
[04:35] <Firetech> and put one in front of the cdrom line
[04:35] <Firetech> one # that is
[04:35] <Firetech> only remove the #'s in front of the lines starting with deb or deb-src
[04:36] <Chislon_> what is NB software, and ok so.. there are several lines after with deb or deb-src starts
[04:36] <markc> go Firetech!, cool :)
[04:36] <Chislon_> there  are 2 for ubuntu hoary universe, adn 2 for ubuntu hoary security universe
[04:36] <Chislon_> the main restricted ones are already with no #
[04:36] <Firetech> Chislon_: change #deb... to deb...
[04:37] <Chislon_> on all of them?
[04:37] <Firetech> all #deb yes
[04:37] <Chislon_> and is the one youw ant me to put a # on, the one that says dep cdrom:etc.
[04:37] <Firetech> not the ones with just deb
[04:37] <Chislon_> ?
[04:37] <Firetech> Chislon_:  exactly, you're learning ;)
[04:37] <Chislon_> so i dont do the ones with just deb tho?
[04:37] <Firetech> nope
[04:38] <Chislon_> there are 2 under the cdrom one tho that are not commented
[04:38] <Firetech> leave them as is
[04:38] <Chislon_> one of them is a deb.. ok
[04:38] <Chislon_> so im uncommenting the deb-src to the hoary universe, adn the deb-src to the secruity universe?
[04:38] <Chislon_> do i leave the sapce that is after the #?
[04:39] <Firetech> no
[04:39] <Chislon_> ok, so do i have that correct?
[04:39] <Chislon_> and now i hit save
[04:39] <Chislon_> ?
[04:39] <Firetech> yup
[04:39] <Chislon_> ok and now close it?
[04:40] <Firetech> yes, and then when you're back at the command prompt, run "sudo apt-get update"
[04:40] <Chislon_> ok so i forget if this was answered, sorry, but can i throw my install cd away now?
[04:40] <markc> sudo, bah... sorry, I'll try and shutup
[04:40] <Chislon_> and it said reading package list.. done and now is back to command propt
[04:40] <Chislon_> markc, ?
[04:41] <markc> I don't like sudo, but that's just me
[04:41] <Chislon_> ok
[04:41] <Firetech> Chislon_: good
[04:41] <Chislon_> can i throw the install cd away now?
[04:41] <Firetech> yes
[04:41] <Chislon_> ok thank you
[04:41] <Firetech> I think so :P
[04:41] <Chislon_> and thank you markc
[04:41] <markc> heh
[04:41] <Firetech> then the kdm thingie
[04:42] <Chislon_> ya
[04:42] <markc> Chislon_> well I hope I didn't confuse you too much!
[04:42] <Firetech> This is a little more complicated, because I can't talk to you under some parts of the procedure
[04:42] <Chislon_> markc, heh heh, i dunno  ^^
[04:42] <Firetech> type down the commands to run
[04:42] <Chislon_> oh
[04:42] <Chislon_> ok
[04:43] <Firetech> on a paper, that is.
[04:43] <Firetech> first press ctrl+alt+F1 (not now.)
[04:43] <Chislon_> knotes work?
[04:43] <Firetech> then login as normally (the password won't show while you're typing)
[04:43] <Chislon_> oh like write on a real piece of paper, ok.. heh heh
[04:44] <Firetech> Chislon_: no, you're gonna be out of KDE for a while...
[04:44] <dreumah> my download manager is odd, its showing  x mb / x mb and both are climbing at the same rate, 100% constantly
[04:44] <Chislon_> ok
[04:44] <dreumah> was up wit tat?
[04:44] <Firetech> when you get logged in, type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[04:45] <Firetech> then "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start" (note: gdm before, kdm now)
[04:45] <Chislon_> ok
[04:46] <Firetech> If you get an error, the easiest thing is to reboot, but that shouldn't be needed.
[04:46] <Firetech> that's it.
[04:46] <Chislon_> ok
[04:46] <rodolfo> hi, I installed webmin, but can't login with the root password I set (login invalid). what can I do?
[04:46] <Chislon_> thank you, ill brb
[04:46] <markc> Firetech> isn't there some command to swap login managers ?
[04:46] <Firetech> markc: it's just that that gdm seems to be running although he chose kdm
[04:47] <markc> but like, /etc/X11/default-display-manager needs to say /usr/bin/kdm or else gdm will keep starting on boot
[04:48] <Firetech> markc: I think that one already says kdm
[04:48] <markc> I assume xorg uses that file, maybe it depends on /etc/rc2.d*kdm or *gdm
[04:48] <Firetech> Chislon_: how did it go?
[04:49] <Chislon_> ok :)
[04:49] <Chislon_> soso now im kubuntu? ^^
[04:49] <Chislon_> fine
[04:49] <Chislon_> *so
[04:49] <Firetech> Chislon_: did the login screen loog different now?
[04:49] <Firetech> *look
[04:49] <Chislon_> ya blue and said kubuntu
[04:49] <Firetech> then you're fully kubuntu :)
[04:49] <Firetech> congratulations.
[04:50] <markc> indeed
[04:50] <monchy> enjoy, KDE is fun to tinker around with
[04:50] <markc> well done Firetech :)
[04:50] <Firetech> markc: thank you
[04:51] <Firetech> it's a lot easier for newcomers to use sudo...
[04:51] <Chislon_> thank you Firetech and markc for your help
[04:51] <Firetech> nano is quite complicated if you think you can use the mouse...
[04:51] <Chislon_> thanks monchy
[04:51] <markc> Firetech> you trying to get me into an argument ? :)
[04:52] <Firetech> no
[04:52] <Firetech> Just a discussion :P
[04:52] <Chislon_> how do i uninstall gnome then?
[04:52] <Chislon_> isnt there a newver verson of xchat then 2.4.1? isnt it at 2.4.3?
[04:53] <markc> Chislon_> hmm, apt-remove ubuntu-desktop _might_ work
[04:53] <monchy> yes 2.4.3
[04:53] <Chislon_> how do i update my xchat
[04:53] <Chislon_> markc, will that delte any of the g apps ?
[04:54] <dreumah> how do i ubdate my kvirc
[04:54] <Firetech> markc: that doesn't work
[04:54] <markc> Chislon_> I don't know what it will actually do, it will provide a list of what it would do and allow you to y/n
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Chislon_: no, it's just a metapackage
[04:54] <Firetech> Chislon_: my advice is to leave it...
[04:54] <Chislon_> oh, ok
[04:54] <Chislon_> thoreauputic, hey, and i dont know what that means, and im kubuntu now^^
[04:54] <Chislon_> Firetech, ok, until im more familiar and know what im doing?
[04:54] <markc> Chislon_> you need half of gnaome/gtk for firefow/openoffice etc anyway
[04:55] <Chislon_> markc, oh ok
[04:55] <Firetech> I have left it, but I use a lot of the original ubuntu apps
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Chislon_: it means ubuntu-desktop is basically just a list of dependencies
[04:55] <Chislon_> ok
[04:55] <Chislon_> so basically i want to keep it?
[04:55] <Chislon_> and i dont really know what it means to be a list of dependencies
[04:55] <Firetech> kind of
[04:55] <Chislon_> will do
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Chislon_: it doesn't really matter
[04:55] <Chislon_> ok
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Chislon_: it won't uninstall anything at all, really
[04:56] <Chislon_> how do i update xchat? and can i make xchat do its autologon but not open or leave open the schat server list?
[04:56] <Chislon_> thoreauputic, ok
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Chislon_: what's wrong with the default xchat? Works fine as far as I can see...
[04:56] <Firetech> Chislon_: the only scenario where you don't want it is if you have a hard disk with 2 mb free space after installing kubuntu, and/or if you're a "no, I won't EVER use a GTK app", which I guess you're not.
[04:57] <thoreauputic> well, xchay is gtk2 for a start...
[04:57] <thoreauputic> *xchat
[04:57] <rodolfo> hi, does anyone use webmin?
[04:57] <Firetech> oops, i forgot a " user" after that quote...
[04:58] <Chislon> Firetech, right ok thank you
[04:59] <Chislon> Firetech, no problem
[04:59] <Firetech> There are some people that will never use a KDE/Qt app...
[04:59] <Chislon> thoreauputic, i dunno, isnt it best to use the latest version
[04:59] <Chislon> wont i end up using a command that updates everything anyway?
[04:59] <Firetech> Chislon: not until you've found a bug in the version you have :P
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Chislon: if you keep your system up to date with security, you'll be fine
[04:59] <Firetech> some newer versions of software break things :P
[05:00] <Chislon> really? why is that, oh
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Chislon: just do a regular reload/update
[05:00] <Chislon> what is that and how do i do it
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Chislon: you can do it with kynaptic/synaptic or apt
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Chislon: just check that you have the security reppositories enabled
[05:01] <Chislon> how do i do that
[05:02] <Firetech> Chislon: you did that before
[05:02] <Firetech> when you removed #'s
[05:02] <Chislon> oh
[05:02] <Chislon> ok
[05:02] <Chislon> well do i need a fireall?
[05:02] <Chislon> and antivirus?
[05:02] <Chislon> er firewall
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Chislon: the sources file tells the system where to look :)
[05:03] <thoreauputic> Chislon: you don't need anivirus
[05:03] <Chislon> and im told no need for spyware thing, or that there are no spyware things?
[05:03] <Chislon> thoreauputic, sources tells the system where to look for what
[05:03] <pointwood> hrm...no eclipse .deb available?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> and unless you are running services you don't need  afirewall either
[05:04] <Firetech> Chislon: he's talking about the security repository, which you should have enabled when you removed #'s
[05:04] <thoreauputic> Chislon: sources.list tells the system  where to look for apps and updates
[05:04] <Firetech> thoreauputic: he's got that enabled
[05:04] <thoreauputic> Firetech: OK
[05:04] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:04] <Firetech> I helped him with that 10 minutes ago
[05:04] <Chislon> oh ok kool
[05:04] <Chislon> and what is running services entail, meaning if im doing a server?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Firetech: yeah, sorry to jump in :)
[05:06] <Firetech> thoreauputic: np...
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Chislon: stuff like web servers, ssh, nfs etc
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Chislon: by default, ubuntu/kubuntu doesn't listen on any external ports
[05:06] <Chislon> ok well i dunno what ssh or nfs and stuff is
[05:07] <Chislon> thoreauputic, not sure what that means exactly
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Chislon: so don't worry about it now :)
[05:07] <Chislon> ok
[05:07] <Chislon> i thought people us antiviruses tho like ClamOS or somethign?
[05:07] <Chislon> isnt it safer to have an antivirus and firewalll?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Chislon: all you need to know is that your system is locked down pretty safely by default
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Chislon: viruses for linux are practically unknown up 'til now
[05:09] <Chislon> antivirus wouldnt run all the time anyways right?
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Chislon: even the few that exist are pretty much harmless anyway, and no up to date system is vulnerable to them
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Chislon: don't worry about antivirus unless you are using it with a windows network to clean up mail etc (which I doubt applies)
[05:10] <Chislon> well im on a home network, and will also be on a small store network with the comp?
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Chislon: linux antivirus is actually designed to catch windows viruses, not linux ones ;)
[05:11] <markc> wow, thank you to whoever gave me a link to the 32bit chroot forum pages, you saved me from reinstalling gentoo!
[05:12] <Chislon> isnt gentoo another distro?
[05:12] <thoreauputic> yes
[05:12] <Chislon> thoreauputic, waht about the home and small store network?
[05:12] <Chislon> why run more htan one distro?
[05:13] <thoreauputic> Chislon: it really depends on what you plan to do with your linux install - the risks start when you run mail servers, web servers and the like
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Chislon: he was saying someone's help stopped him from returning to his previous distro
[05:14] <Chislon> ok... well i wont be running servers, but ill be on the home network and a store network, small store... ?
[05:14] <Chislon> thoreauputic, oh i see
[05:15] <markc> Chislon> who me?... I was about to remove this lovely kubuntu install and put in Gentoo back on, because they have a seemless 32bit mulitlib system
[05:15] <dreumah> markc you are on an amd64?
[05:15] <Chislon> markc, oh ok
[05:16] <markc> dreumah> yes
[05:16] <Chislon> Firetech, what now? :)
[05:16] <dreumah> why intall of kubuntu are you on the amd64?
[05:16] <dreumah> what*
[05:16] <Chislon> markc, you said cua htey have seemless 32 bit multilib system, does that mean kubunto doesnt?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> Chislon: he's using amd64
[05:17] <Firetech> Chislon: what is the questin, I'm doing some other stuff...
[05:17] <Chislon> Firetech, ok sorry, thank you very much for your help
[05:17] <markc> Chislon> no, kubuntu uses a chroot system to run 32bit apps... someone said ubuntu won't have nultilib support until Debian porper does and that means it's years away (probably)
[05:17] <Chislon> thoreauputic, so on the home network and small store one u dont think i need antivirus? seems like i should have atleat a firewall though?
[05:18] <Chislon> markc, oh so what is it that made you stay
[05:18] <thoreauputic> Chislon: if you want a firewall, look at guidedog or firestarter
[05:18] <markc> dreumah> sorry, hoary.. considering breezy
[05:18] <thoreauputic> sorry "guarddog"
[05:18] <Chislon> marc ?
[05:18] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok thank you
[05:19] <thoreauputic> Chislon: relax about the antivirus - it isn't necessary
[05:19] <dreumah> hoary, but the amd64 for i386 installation
[05:19] <dreumah> ?
[05:19] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok
[05:19] <RetroMan> hey guys, do you know how I can run a few commands after kde has booted?
[05:19] <RetroMan> (automatically)
[05:19] <Chislon> breezy is a king of kubuntu?
[05:19] <markc> Chislon> I just read a nice howto on now to set up a chroot environment, enough to run the few 32bit apps I'd like to use... gentoo will take me DAYS to get all of kde compiled again
[05:19] <thoreauputic> RetroMan: put a script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:19] <Chislon> markc, oh ok
[05:19] <Chislon> and i meant kind not king
[05:20] <Chislon> thoreauputic, but firewall is good?
[05:20] <RetroMan> thanks
[05:20] <markc> Chislon> breezy is the next version of ubuntu/kubuntu
[05:20] <thoreauputic> Chislon: sure, get guarddog or firestarter
[05:20] <dreumah> does the kubuntu amd64 installation support java?
[05:20] <RetroMan> thoreauputic: does it need a special filename scheme?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> Chislon: you'll learn a bit about firewalls at least :)
[05:20] <thoreauputic> RetroMan: I just used a bash script
[05:21] <Chislon> markc, oh ok thanks, waht kind of animal is it
[05:21] <thoreauputic> RetroMan: I believe there is another way involving a special format
[05:21] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok thank you
[05:21] <markc> dreumah> the ibm one is 64 bit, maybe the sun jre is too.. but I think there are problems with the blackdown java stuff
[05:21] <RetroMan> ok, ill look into it, thanks
[05:21] <dreumah> the sun jre isnt
[05:22] <thoreauputic> RetroMan: an executble script appears to work fine
[05:22] <thoreauputic> *executable
[05:23] <markc> dreumah> I had 64bit java working fine with gentoo
[05:25] <Chislon> alright well im gonna go a bit, thanks for the help everyone
[05:25] <RetroMan> do you know how it could be done on a server machine that doesnt boot into a WM?
[05:25] <markc> dreumah> I haven't seen mention of the 64bit IBM jre anywhere yet so I haven't tried it on kubuntu yet... I might just do the 32bit chroot thing and go with that solution for java, flash and w2codecs... and skype
[05:25] <dreumah> i am just going to install kubuntu for i386 and wait until breezy is better
[05:25] <markc> dreumah> I haven't seen any flash crap for at least a year!
[05:26] <dreumah> so is breezy better to have for amd64 then?
[05:26] <markc> dreumah> no idea, but I hope so
[05:26] <thoreauputic> RetroMan: you would insert a startup script in /etc/init.d/ with relevant links if applicable, or the quick and dirty method is to add commands to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[05:26] <thoreauputic> but that isn't the recommended way...
[05:27] <markc> dreumah> I have little amd64 boxes I want to sell... so I need to have some cream puff stuff working
[05:27] <RetroMan> thanks
[05:28] <markc> dreumah> I don't want to sell boxes with gentoo on them, too hard for end users to deal with, kubuntu is a much better proposition
[05:29] <rodolfo> I have a problem with webmin, can't login. does anyone use it?
[05:29] <dreumah> hmmm the thing is certain apps dont work with amd64 in kubuntu
[05:29] <dreumah> like java
[05:30] <dreumah> the new kvirc
[05:30] <markc> rodolfo> no but dpkg-reconfigure webmin might help
[05:30] <RetroMan> rodolfo on (k)ubuntu webmin behaves strangely at first because there is no real su password
[05:30] <rodolfo> I set the root pwd but the login fails... I'll try with reconfigure
[05:30] <markc> dreumah> yes but apparently they will in a chroot, I am about to find out
[05:31] <dreumah> i dont know what that is, but tell me if you get them to work
[05:32] <markc> dreumah> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[05:35] <markc> dreumah> FWIW I started a #kubuntu-amd64 channel
[05:35] <Dent> markc: nice
[05:36] <markc> Dent> well it would be if there was more then me in it :)
[05:36] <Dent> well, now it is
[05:38] <rodolfo> markc, RetroMan: it worked copying the root password in /etc/webmin/miniserv.users from /etc/shadow; thanks
[05:43] <Dent> you kwaaaaayzee man
[05:43] <Dent> glad it worked, though.
[06:00] <LordHoto> hi
[06:05] <MoreFX> hi
[06:05] <MoreFX> newbie-question concerning PCMCIA card
[06:06] <MoreFX> I have the pcmcia running
[06:06] <MoreFX> If i restart it, no PCMCIA card ist found
[06:07] <MoreFX> although one card is present
[06:07] <MoreFX> how do I configure the pcmcia to "see" my cards
[06:07] <MoreFX> ?
[06:09] <_ggilbert_> well first you need to find a goat
[06:10] <_ggilbert_> The most common problem I've seen with pcmcia is when the memory windows and ioports in the default config don't quite match your computer
[06:10] <_ggilbert_> What type of notebook is it?
[06:10] <_ggilbert_> most x86 notebooks seem to be fairly well standardized, but powerbooks and ibooks seem to be all over the place
[06:10] <MoreFX> Fujitsu/Simens Amilp A
[06:11] <_ggilbert_> try cardctl ident
[06:11] <_ggilbert_> what does that say?
[06:11] <MoreFX> Socket 0:
[06:11] <MoreFX>   no product info available
[06:11] <MoreFX> Socket 1:
[06:12] <MoreFX>   no product info available
[06:12] <_ggilbert_> try looking for errors in /var/log/kern.log
[06:14] <MoreFX> I see some messages like IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff: clean
[06:14] <_ggilbert_> that's ok. anything that looks bad?
[06:14] <MoreFX> that's all (more or less)
[06:14] <_ggilbert_> does your computer beep at all when you insert the card?
[06:15] <MoreFX> no
[06:15] <_ggilbert_> do you have any other cards you can test with?
[06:15] <MoreFX> do I have to enable hotplugging somewhere?
[06:16] <_ggilbert_> It should work right out of the box
[06:16] <MoreFX> no, I don't
[06:16] <MoreFX> but the card works under Win and Suse 9.2
[06:16] <_ggilbert_> what type of card?
[06:16] <MoreFX> WLAN
[06:16] <_ggilbert_> What type?
[06:16] <MoreFX> used to run fine with NDISwrapper
[06:17] <MoreFX> Linksys WPC54g
[06:17] <_ggilbert_> that could be the problem. dont know if ubuntu has ndiswrapper
[06:17] <KaiL> _ggilbert_: is has
[06:17] <MoreFX> yes, it does
[06:17] <MoreFX> bot the hardware is not recognized
[06:17] <KaiL> MoreFX: your card has a broadcom chip
[06:17] <MoreFX> yup
[06:18] <KaiL> I have the same :)
[06:18] <KaiL> and guess, which version of ndiswrapper you need :)
[06:18] <MoreFX> as i said: it was running under Suse 9.2 until today
[06:18] <KaiL> 1.0-rc3 at least - hoary has 1.0-rc2...
[06:18] <_ggilbert_> I dont see anything special about pcmcia on that machine
[06:18] <_ggilbert_> and if there are no errors, I'm at a bit of a loss for idea
[06:19] <KaiL> MoreFX: in short: you need to update your ndiswrapper
[06:19] <MoreFX> no, I don't think so
[06:19] <MoreFX> is not the Wrapper
[06:19] <KaiL> did I say, that I have the same card? ;)
[06:19] <MoreFX> the pcmcia-daemon ist not seeing the hardware
[06:20] <KaiL> it's not visible to pcmcia-tools, but it is in lspci
[06:20] <_ggilbert_> MoreFX: No one else seems to have better ideas, I don't imagine it could hurt
[06:20] <MoreFX> that has nothing to do with the ndiswrapper
[06:20] <MoreFX> but it won't help eighter ;-)
[06:20] <MoreFX> btw: I have the latest ndis-version!
[06:20] <KaiL> MoreFX: look at lspci output and you'll find it
[06:20] <snowseal> where can i find the infrared port in kde?
[06:21] <MoreFX> KaiL: you are right!
[06:22] <KaiL> did I say, that I have the same card? ;)
[06:22] <KaiL> now ndiswrapper -i <that .inf file from the cd>
[06:22] <MoreFX> I am all set now :-)
[06:23] <KaiL> and finnaly you'll see the driver but not the device with ndiswrapper -l
[06:23] <MoreFX> the ndisdriver is already running.
[06:23] <KaiL> except you update(d) to >=1.0-rc3
[06:23] <MoreFX> It just took several minutes until the card was "present" - strange ...
[06:25] <MoreFX> KaiL: rc1.02-1
[06:26] <MoreFX> KaiL: sorry: rc1.0-2
[06:26] <KaiL> so have fun with updating ndis
[06:26] <MoreFX> I will ;-)
[06:27] <MoreFX> Thanx for helping!
[06:35] <tofirius> how do you remove grub from the boot process?
[06:35] <treke> how so?
[06:36] <treke> grub is a bit important :)
[06:36] <tofirius> yes, but a friend's panicking w/an office pc that won't boot, so he wants to remove grub
[06:36] <tofirius> he loaded kubuntu & then grub won't find linux
[06:36] <tofirius> he wanted to dual boot
[06:36] <treke> what error does he get?
[06:36] <tofirius> so he loaded kubuntu onto a usb drive
[06:37] <tofirius> let me ask hiim
[06:37] <treke> removing grub woulld not really help the situation too much  since it would probably leave you with a totally unbootable machine
[06:37] <treke> but with grub installed you should be able to finesse it into booting the old install
[06:37] <tofirius> so grub overwrites the windows boot process?
[06:37] <tofirius> how
[06:38] <treke> were you trying to dual boot two linuxes or linux and windows?
[06:38] <tofirius> he said the error he would get was 21 & then 15
[06:38] <Firetech> tofirius: it the other OS is windows, insert a windows install cd, go to the recovery console and run fixmbr, then grub is gone
[06:38] <tofirius> linux & win
[06:39] <treke> yeah that would do it. I thiought the second os was linux for some reason :)
[06:40] <Firetech> It is a bit complicated to boot linux from a USB-drive, you have to edit some config-files
[06:41] <tofirius> aha
[06:41] <treke> if you put the bootloader in the mbr for the usbdrive, some computers can boot from a usb device
[06:41] <tofirius> i'm relaying this on to him.... he doesn't have irc right now
[06:44] <foodcoman> Would anyone know a link which would show how to update a Network-less Kubuntu  system via CD, DVD or USB key?
[06:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> in my computers bios i have a setting for os/2 for memory greator than 64mb
[06:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> if i enable this will it increase the performance of my box?
[06:46] <tofirius> thanks guys for your help
[06:46] <tofirius> take care
[06:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> anyone
[07:24] <abisen> is kubuntu as stable as ubuntu !! one of my prof's wants to install kbuntu on his new laptop ?
[07:25] <abisen> we have been using ubuntu for sometime on laptops without any major issues ? i mean like suspend/resume video output etc..
[07:25] <spiral> abisen: kubuntu is only ubuntu with apt-get install kubuntu-desktop...
[07:25] <spiral> abisen: so it's as stable... in fact, except kde / gnome... there is no difference
[07:25] <Tm_T> spiral: and maybe remove gnomish ;p
[07:25] <abisen> so i should install ubuntu and then install kubuntu-desktop and not download kbuntu iso
[07:25] <Tm_T> abisen: yes
[07:26] <abisen> spiral: huh i already downloaded 75% of the CD now i need to download ubuntu :(
[07:26] <monchy> may as well just finish the download if your that far into it
[07:27] <abisen> ubuntu is great ... configures everything out of the box i love it.
[07:27] <abisen> earlier my first few days just went by ... configuring wi-fi sound video etc.. .etc...
[07:28] <abisen> so in kubuntu it uses ESD as the sound daemon or arts ? ?
[07:28] <spiral> abisen: arts
[07:29] <spiral> abisen: all kde... you can still use the CD from kubuntu...
[07:29] <abisen> spiral: and if i install from kbuntu CD can i install synaptic and other gnome stuff too...
[07:29] <spiral> abisen: yes, same package database for kubuntu & ubuntu
[07:30] <spiral> abisen: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop on a kubuntu, & you get a kubuntu + ubuntu, and the same for kubuntu-desktop under ubuntu
[07:30] <abisen> great !!! ... 81% done :) -- this will be my first kubuntu installation... .. thanks everybody for the advices...
[07:30] <spiral> abisen: :-)
[07:31] <juanjo4x4> hi
[07:31] <juanjo4x4> i got 2 questions
[07:32] <juanjo4x4> is there anybody
[07:32] <abisen> lots of ppl
[07:32] <juanjo4x4> oh i see
[07:32] <abisen> just ask ... i got lots of good replies... maybe i might answer some of yours ..
[07:32] <juanjo4x4> q1 how do i fix knetworkconf problem
[07:33] <abisen> juanjo4x4: what's the problem ...
[07:33] <juanjo4x4> i use the amd64 variant of kubuntu 5.04
[07:34] <abisen> juanjo4x4: what's the problem ... i dont have knetworkconf installed on my laptop ... why do you use it? ??
[07:35] <juanjo4x4> i configure the network with sudo ifconfig ..
[07:35] <kay> you ought to just edit /etc/network/interfaces and read man interfaces
[07:35] <juanjo4x4> but in kde i cant do it after i installed kdelibs
[07:36] <juanjo4x4> ok
[07:37] <abisen> juanjo4x4: i use ubuntu and i love the network-admin tool
[07:37] <juanjo4x4> the only thing sucks to me is tha i have to set up my network configuration after every boot up
[07:37] <juanjo4x4> i prefer kde than gnome
[07:37] <abisen> juanjo4x4: I love it because i have two network cards one wi-fi and i can simply click and activate deactivate change the essid and do lots of things with it
[07:38] <abisen> juanjo4x4: but i am sure the tool will work fine even on kubuntu /...
[07:38] <juanjo4x4> abisen thanks
[07:38] <abisen> kde should have something like that ..(applet-able)
[07:39] <juanjo4x4> not exactly like the applet you said, but something like that
[07:40] <juanjo4x4> the reason i use kubuntu is thai i prefer kde
[07:40] <juanjo4x4> my experienece with gnome, was terrific in other distributions
[07:41] <abisen> juanjo4x4: i love the KDE look and even loads of features to connect with the network but some how on my P-III laptops that i support in my lab GNOME uses less resource or are more responsive
[07:41] <robin_> upgrade your PC than :)
[07:41] <juanjo4x4> but you are talking about gnome 2.8
[07:42] <juanjo4x4> abisen:  isn't it a litle heavy 4 your computer?
[07:42] <buz> how can i get openoffice 2 to print landscape?
[07:42] <buz> it ignores my settings
[07:43] <robin_> I'm really a pro-kde user, but I actually have worked the last half year with Gnome, and it isn't that bad as i thought, but kde is much much nicer though.
[07:43] <juanjo4x4> robin_: i'm with you
[07:44] <juanjo4x4> i got gnome in fedora at work
[07:44] <juanjo4x4> and i'm a little lost, betewen the diferences
[07:44] <juanjo4x4> but it is also good
[07:45] <juanjo4x4> ok thaks 4 your help
[07:46] <juanjo4x4> and sorry 4 mu english,i'm spanish
[07:46] <juanjo4x4> see you...
[07:46] <robin_> cya
[07:52] <jrodri> hola
[08:07] <Tm_T> http://cartman-kde.blogspot.com/2005/06/konversation-news.html
[08:11] <KaiL> looks cool
[08:12] <Tm_T> maybe
[08:16] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey
[08:16] <buz> stupid bloody oo2
[08:16] <buz> WTF wont it print landscape
[08:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > I've searched for ages trying to make it so Konquror wont open it tabs
[08:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > how do I do it?
[08:20] <monchy> woo batman begins in 9 days
[08:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > anyone?
[08:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > anyone know how to stop Konqurore from opeing in tabs?
[08:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> man i have a weard problem
[08:36] <snowseal> i get 3 fps on opengl screensaver atlantis. is there any way i can tune this performance?
[08:37] <snowseal> Alex[RM-UK] :  konqueror config probably?
[08:38] <Tm_T> snowseal: well, I have some problems with it too, somehow it starts just ok but rapidly slow down
[08:38] <snowseal> Tm_T ack. and direct3d wont work on linux?
[08:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> has anyone had any problems with the kubuntu install ISO?
[08:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> and wrighting to cd
[08:39] <Tm_T> snowseal: what? haha
[08:40] <snowseal> oh, so thats funny. hmm, got a good video card that wont perform on linux. :(
[08:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> don't feel bad i blew my card just the other day
[08:42] <snowseal> opengl sucks arse
[08:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi again
[08:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > how to I save my KMenu ... Menus - I DO NOT trust this K menu Edit, it keeps doing it's own thing with the menus - and I would like to keep a backup
[08:50] <philipacamaniac> you can find it in ~/.kde
[08:50] <philipacamaniac> I'll tell the exact location in a second (my vmware kubuntu is booting)
[08:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > thanks
[08:55] <_Church_of_FoamY> how to do the MD5 checksum verification thingy for the kubuntu ISO?/
[08:55] <kaltsi> hi
[08:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > philipacamaniac,  is it in the config folder?
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> Alex[RM-UK] : sorry, not ~/.kde
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> it is in ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> backup that file
[08:59] <_Church_of_FoamY> anyone know?
[08:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > Thanks!
[08:59] <philipacamaniac> _Church_of_FoamY: md5sum  -cv  file.iso.md5
[09:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> thank you ^_^
[09:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > still cant stop Konqueror from opeing in tabs - any ideas?
[09:04] <philipacamaniac> Alex[RM-UK] : Go to Configure Konqueror
[09:04] <philipacamaniac> --> Web Behavior
[09:05] <philipacamaniac> --> Tabbed Browsing    click Advanced Options
[09:05] <philipacamaniac> Uncheck "Open as tab in existing Konqueror... blah blah"
[09:06] <philipacamaniac> Sadly, this affects filesystem AND web links, meaning when you call up a link from Konversation, it will open a new Konqueror (assuming your URL links are still associated with Konqueror and not Firefox)
[09:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > Oh, Wouldnt of thought it would be in web behaviour
[09:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > thanks,
[09:08] <philipacamaniac> yes, it needs to be somehow separated into the different view profiles (web links open new tabs, file links open new windows, etc.)
[09:09] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol, it still does it
[09:10] <philipacamaniac> whoa, that's dumb
[09:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > I got it
[09:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > works now
[09:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > :) thanks
[09:10] <philipacamaniac> cool
[09:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > Next task - Cedega lol
[09:22] <alex> i need some help configuring my airport card (802.11g) in my iBook ppc running the latest version of kubuntu and kde... it just wont work!
[09:23] <alex> anybody? please help!
[09:23] <uniq> you won't get it to work.
[09:23] <uniq> there are no linux drivers for it.
[09:23] <alex> what!
[09:24] <alex> aww man...
[09:24] <uniq> if it's new airport extreme there is no chance at the time beeing.
[09:24] <uniq> the old airport works.
[09:24] <alex> wait a minute....
[09:24] <alex> hmm
[09:24] <alex> actually my ibook has old airport
[09:24] <alex> im just used to my new imac g5
[09:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> why won't my box boot off of the kubuntu install cd?
[09:25] <alex> what's your box?
[09:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> but it will boot off of the ubuntu install cd
[09:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> my linuxbox
[09:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> you know my computer
[09:26] <alex> no but what hardwarE?
[09:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> celeron 1ghz 256mb ram
[09:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> 120gig hd
[09:26] <alex> sure you didnt download the ppc instead?
[09:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> ppc?
[09:26] <alex> did you check the md5?
[09:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea it seems fine
[09:26] <alex> sorry..
[09:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> i downloaded it like 4 times now
[09:27] <alex> ppc is mac
[09:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[09:27] <alex> lol
[09:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh
[09:27] <alex> there are different versiona
[09:27] <alex> *versions
[09:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[09:27] <alex> ahh
[09:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> is the one i downloaded
[09:27] <alex> what speed did you burn it at?
[09:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> 10x
[09:27] <alex> hmm...
[09:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> i even tryed to burn it on my winbox
[09:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> @ 52x
[09:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> and still no go
[09:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> :(9
[09:28] <alex> the only thing i could think of is to reburn at slower speeds
[09:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> ok i'll try it
[09:28] <alex> k
[09:29] <uniq> alex: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuIbook
[09:29] <alex> is it just me or did kde 3.3 use to have a games menu on the k menu
[09:29] <uniq> might help you with some issues.
[09:29] <alex> ahh thx uniq
[09:29] <uniq> it's basically just my notes from installing. not very informative.
[09:30] <alex> hmm
[09:30] <alex> nothing on the old airport
[09:30] <uniq> no. i have the new one.
[09:30] <alex> ya
[09:31] <uniq> i'm sure you'll find some info on ubuntuforums.org or something.
[09:31] <alex> okay
[09:31] <philipacamaniac> alex: games on the k menu appear when you install kdegames
[09:31] <uniq> if you google for 'ibook linux' you'll get alot of hits too.
[09:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> i'm trying it now @ 4x
[09:31] <alex> ya but everyone seems to just have the internet work out of the box on their machines... its always me :(
[09:32] <alex> okay foam
[09:32] <buz> wait
[09:32] <buz> are you trying to use airport express on that ibook?
[09:32] <alex> no
[09:32] <alex> old airport
[09:32] <buz> mhh that should work
[09:32] <alex> ahh
[09:33] <alex> yes, i am
[09:33] <alex> express as an extension
[09:33] <alex> to my base
[09:33] <buz> airport express is not supported
[09:33] <alex> ahhhhhhhhh
[09:33] <buz> i mean the card
[09:33] <buz> access point is probably fine
[09:33] <alex> wait, express is a base
[09:33] <alex> extreme is a card
[09:33] <buz> and 11mbit in the ibook?
[09:33] <alex> yes
[09:34] <alex> 54mbit as the base
[09:34] <buz> should work from what i hear
[09:34] <alex> works fine in osx
[09:34] <KaiL> "airport extreme" is a broadcom card. No drivers for it.
[09:34] <alex> doesnt work in ubuntu, kubuntu and yellowdog
[09:34] <alex> but im using the old airport card
[09:34] <furkan> hi
[09:35] <alex> exactly what setting should i put in network?
[09:35] <uniq> hey, airport extreme is the base, express is the card.
[09:35] <alex> there are so many...
[09:35] <alex> no
[09:35] <uniq> yes it is.
[09:35] <alex> or
[09:35] <alex> hmm
[09:35] <uniq> i'm right.
[09:35] <alex> im confused
[09:35] <uniq> :)
[09:35] <alex> :)
[09:36] <alex> http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/
[09:36] <alex> http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/
[09:37] <uniq> "Enabled with AirPort Extreme technology, the iBook can surf the Web in..."
[09:37] <uniq> from http://www.apple.com/ibook/
[09:37] <uniq> i'm wrong :]
[09:37] <alex> ha! :)
[09:44] <alex> i have a problem... when i click on a control panel and enable administrator mode, i type in my password, wait a few seconds, but then instead of seeing my control panel i see the welcome screen that says: welcome to the kde control center blablabla. how do i fix this!
[09:45] <philipacamaniac> yeah that's called the admin mode bug
[09:45] <alex> ahh
[09:45] <alex> im not the only one then?
[09:45] <philipacamaniac> it is intermittent at best, and has no current real fix
[09:45] <alex> darn it
[09:46] <alex> so how am i supposed to configure my network and go on the internet?
[09:46] <philipacamaniac> run kcontrol with kdesu
[09:47] <philipacamaniac> (current workaround)
[09:48] <alex> how do i do that... sorry im new to linux  :(
[09:49] <philipacamaniac> kdesu kcontrol
[09:49] <_Church_of_FoamY> YAY! it worked ^_^
[09:49] <alex> yay!
[09:49] <KaiL> philipacamaniac: reinstalling kcontrol fixes the bug
[09:50] <alex> oh
[09:50] <KaiL> sudo apt-get --reinstall install kcontrol
[09:50] <KaiL> :)
[09:50] <alex> thanks
[09:50] <alex> :)
[09:51] <philipacamaniac> KaiL: I haven't seen that as a permanent fix...I'm running 3.4.1, latest updates, and I still occasionally have the problem
[09:52] <KaiL> here it didn't come back ever
[09:52] <philipacamaniac> that's promising, at least
[09:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> i'ma gonna go try it now
[09:52] <alex> well at least ill be able to use it at least once
[09:53] <alex> ok foam
[09:53] <alex> is it just me or are there no games in kubuntu?
[09:53] <alex> there used to be in kde 3.3
[09:53] <philipacamaniac> alex: games on the k menu appear when you install kdegames
[09:54] <philipacamaniac> sudo apt-get install kdegames
[09:54] <alex> ok
[09:54] <alex> ill do that when its done installing kcontrol
[09:55] <alex> any other cool things i should consider installing?
[09:55] <philipacamaniac> superkaramba, but you need 0.36, not the 0.35 in the ubuntu repository. It gives you cool desktop eyecandy, like weather applets and things.
[09:55] <alex> ooooh
[09:56] <alex> what does kubuntu ship with?
[09:56] <alex> 0.35?
[09:56] <alex> otherwise i would have to download ti
[09:56] <alex> *it?
[09:56] <philipacamaniac> Well, it doesn't ship with it, you have to get it in kynaptic, and yes it is 0.35
[09:57] <alex> well ill try that when i get the internet working
[09:57] <philipacamaniac> good call
[09:58] <_Church_of_FoamY> well that sucked :(
[09:58] <_Church_of_FoamY> it won't even boot with my xp cd anymore
[09:58] <_Church_of_FoamY> weard
[09:58] <alex> hmm
[09:59] <alex> what do you currently have installed?
[09:59] <philipacamaniac> checky your BIOS settings
[10:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> i had xp on the same hd as my kubuntu
[10:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> so i qtparted it to get it off cause i thought it was the problem
[10:01] <alex> hmm
[10:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> and there isen't any setting in the bios for that
[10:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have an ibm netvista machene type 2254
[10:01] <philipacamaniac> alex: see this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=199107&postcount=7 for installing superkaramba (once you have Internet)
[10:02] <_Church_of_FoamY> and it has a very very simple bios
[10:02] <alex> thanks philipacamaniac
[10:02] <alex> cant help you there, i know almost nothing about bios since it doesnt exist on any of my computers...
[10:02] <philipacamaniac> foam, what is installed on any partition has no effect on whether a CD will boot
[10:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[10:03] <philipacamaniac> alex: no BIOS, how?
[10:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> but it will boot off of my ubuntu
[10:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> cd
[10:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> O_o
[10:03] <philipacamaniac> Starting to sound like a cdrom reading error
[10:04] <alex> i have macs
[10:04] <alex> no bios there
[10:04] <philipacamaniac> ahhhh
[10:04] <alex> open firmware instead
[10:04] <alex> but not simila
[10:04] <alex> r
[10:04] <philipacamaniac> ppc vs. x86 = head explodes
[10:04] <alex> haha
[10:05] <alex> actually apple just announced they will be switching to x86 in the next year
[10:05] <alex> so i will start having bios
[10:05] <alex> one day
[10:05] <philipacamaniac> i heard, maybe that's good news. no wait, they said Intel, I didn't hear specifically x86
[10:05] <alex> no but they also announced x86 today
[10:05] <_Church_of_FoamY> a screw it i just wanted kubuntu without the ubuntu desktop and crap
[10:06] <philipacamaniac> oh my, does that mean I can try out tiger some day?
[10:06] <alex> they have to recompile a lot of software
[10:06] <alex> maybe!
[10:06] <alex> with a small hack
[10:06] <philipacamaniac> _Church_of_FoamY: you can remove gnome stuff easily
[10:06] <philipacamaniac> of course, who needs Tiger when we have Hoary... :)
[10:07] <_Church_of_FoamY> onto better things
[10:07] <_Church_of_FoamY> like whats a good file shareing p2p program for kubuntu?
[10:07] <_Church_of_FoamY> ok that was really strange....hard core lag for like the last 30sec
[10:08] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh really sweet how?
[10:08] <philipacamaniac> kmldonkey (never tried it - but I think that is what you want...)
[10:08] <_Church_of_FoamY> hmmm tryed it worked kinda crappy
[10:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> ie coulden't download
[10:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> so how to remove gnome?
[10:09] <philipacamaniac> how about qtorrent
[10:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> hmm how to get?
[10:09] <philipacamaniac> sudo apt-get qtorrent
[10:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> and is it kinda like bittoreent?
[10:09] <philipacamaniac> sorry apt-get install qtorrent
[10:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> where i have to go to a site and click on a link
[10:10] <philipacamaniac> it is a kde frontend to BitTorrent... I'm not sure if it has search capabilities, but that's what Google is for
[10:10] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[10:10] <ubuntu> whats the username and password for kubuntu live cd?
[10:10] <abisen> what repos should i add if i need to install adobe acrobat reader, realplayer , java and flash
[10:10] <ubuntu> like if i log out how can log back in??
[10:11] <_Church_of_FoamY> how to remove gnome?
[10:11] <_Church_of_FoamY> si i only have kubuntu
[10:11] <philipacamaniac> abisen:http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:12] <hussam> what is an Autopackage?
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> foamy, there are a lot a specific gnome packages to remove, let me find the list
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> hussam: it is a new way of packaging software...supposedly distribution independant
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> as in, will install on Slackware, Debian, Kubuntu, you name it
[10:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> ok
[10:16] <abisen> philipacamaniac: how do i add the security key the synaptic is saying not authenticate di know we have to import gpg ... is there steps to do that somewhere
[10:16] <hussam> philipacamaniac: do I need a specific application to install an autopackage or do I just ./aaaaa.package ?
[10:16] <philipacamaniac> the software developers (the GIMP people for example) have to create the autopackage...I'm not sure if there are any special requirements you need in your distro (of course if you did that defeats the whole purpose)
[10:17] <philipacamaniac> abisen: you don't need to import a security key... all the repos (except for kubuntu.org) have signed packages
[10:17] <alex> hmm... "Package kdegames is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source."
[10:17] <philipacamaniac> abisen: you should be able to safely ignore "Not Authenticated" messages
[10:17] <alex> just after sudo apt-get install kdegames
[10:18] <alex> what should i do?
[10:18] <thor|away> alex: it's in main - your sources are not properly configured
[10:18] <thor|away> or you failed to update
[10:19] <alex> well i dont have internet...
[10:19] <philipacamaniac> that would be why
[10:19] <alex> it doesnt work
[10:19] <abisen> wow firefox is not a part of kubuntu and it is for ubuntu ... is konqueror good enough already to compete with firefox
[10:19] <_Church_of_FoamY> than how are ya here?
[10:19] <philipacamaniac> apt-get grabs things from the Internet
[10:19] <alex> im here on osx
[10:19] <alex> my imac
[10:19] <philipacamaniac> foamy, loll
[10:19] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh lol
[10:19] <alex> lol
[10:20] <alex> then why did sudo apt-get --reinstall install kcontrol
[10:20] <alex> work
[10:20] <philipacamaniac> abisen: mostly, except for Gmail support... although the SVN (development source code version) now passes the Acid2 test, meaning it is better than Firefox
[10:20] <thor|away> abisen: actually konqueror has been around for longer than firefox :)
[10:20] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi
[10:20] <cevans> Does anyone here use kmail with disconnected imap and a bincimap server?
[10:20] <abisen> thor|away: well gecko is older than khtml
[10:20] <philipacamaniac> alex: because that simply removed the package contents and reinstalled them
[10:20] <alex> ah
[10:21] <thor|away> abisen: true, good point :)
[10:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > I have 2 Hard Drives - HD0(HDA) = Kubuntu, HD1(HDB) = Windows XP
[10:21] <philipacamaniac> abisen: wait till Zack Rusin puts out a Qt Firefox port
[10:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > I am trying to confuguirng GRUB to boot to windows when I select it
[10:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > but when ever I select it and press enter, it comes up with chainloader	+1 and stays there for ever
[10:21] <abisen> philipacamaniac: wow a Qt port to firefox that'll be good when i can share my bookmarks between konqueror
[10:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > How can I make GRUB dual boot to XP on a different hard drive?
[10:22] <philipacamaniac> abisen: well that's what I'm hoping for.. plus Konqueror with Gecko, Firefox with KHTML, and KDE integration in Firefox
[10:22] <alex> i have yet another problem: when i'm in control center, in network settings, when i click on one of the two available network devices (ethernet and wireless), i click enable, its enabled for maybe one second, then goes back to disabled...
[10:23] <alex> aargh!!
[10:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > hi alex lol
[10:23] <alex> why cant it be as simple as osx (as far as networking)
[10:23] <alex> hi alex
[10:23] <alex> lol
[10:23] <philipacamaniac> alex" that means it is not receiving a DHCP address, and thus can't be enabled
[10:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > ^^
[10:23] <alex> oh
[10:24] <alex> so then i would have to go about and manually enter ip information and such?
[10:24] <alex> or another fix?
[10:24] <philipacamaniac> alex: DHCP works fine... assuming your DHCP server (usually your router) is properly connected to your Kubuntu machine, you shouldn't have problems
[10:25] <alex> well its not connected physically
[10:25] <philipacamaniac> that's why eth0 wouldn't work
[10:25] <alex> but it says that eth0 is the wireless
[10:26] <alex> and eth1 is ethernet
[10:26] <philipacamaniac> okay well that's why eth1 didn't work
[10:26] <alex> but eth0 doesnt work either
[10:26] <philipacamaniac> eth0 seems to have driver issues (still)
[10:26] <alex> it should
[10:26] <alex> oh
[10:26] <alex> hmm
[10:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > I use DHCP
[10:27] <philipacamaniac> DHCP works fine when your card works fine
[10:27] <philipacamaniac> :)
[10:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > mine's in tip top conditions. nothing wrong with anything
[10:27] <philipacamaniac> same as Mac and Windoze
[10:27] <alex> well i have a dual boot mac-hoary and mac works fine
[10:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > what doesnt actually work?
[10:28] <alex> im not too sure
[10:28] <alex> lol
[10:28] <philipacamaniac> Alex: I know, but the driver for your airport isn't fully supported (AKAIK)
[10:28] <alex> so is there any other way to get internet?
[10:28] <mats> alex: ;) ubuntu on mac works like heaven
[10:28] <pat^> hi, are there any boot disks available for kubuntu ? i need to install kubuntu on a notebook, but it doesn't support booting from the external usb drive
[10:28] <philipacamaniac> plug in...
[10:29] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have a powerpc in the basement a 5400/120 i think
[10:29] <alex> whoa
[10:29] <_Church_of_FoamY> what?
[10:29] <alex> ive got a g3 on this thing
[10:29] <alex> how did you get linux on that?
[10:29] <alex> or did you not
[10:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > with a cd :P
[10:29] <_Church_of_FoamY> i get them from the local schools when they upgrade
[10:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> i diden't yet
[10:30] <alex> ahh
[10:30] <alex> sorry
[10:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> but i was thinking of trying it
[10:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> i can't sell them with os 9.2.2 anymore
[10:30] <alex> so there's absolutely no way i could get my wireless hooked up
[10:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> nothin will run on it
[10:30] <alex> ya
[10:30] <alex> way too old
[10:30] <alex> how fast is it?
[10:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> the mac
[10:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> ?
[10:31] <alex> yes
[10:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> idunno 100mhz
[10:31] <philipacamaniac> pat^:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[10:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> but i got 17 of them i wanna sell
[10:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> at $50.00 each comes with everything
[10:31] <Alex[RM-UK] > cya
[10:31] <alex> bye
[10:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> keyboard mouse cables ethernet the works
[10:32] <alex> cool church, 17 wow
[10:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> so i was thinking of installing ubuntu on them
[10:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> and selling them to people for there kids
[10:32] <alex> will it run?
[10:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> i don't know
[10:32] <philipacamaniac> I highly doubt it, but again ppc vs. x86 = head explodes
[10:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> but alot of people have been talking about how they but it on macs
[10:33] <philipacamaniac> yes, but not ancient macs
[10:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> hey you never know it might actually work
[10:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> cause i can get alot more macs if it does
[10:33] <pestilence> what is the proper way of hibernating in kubuntu?
[10:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> you take a hammer and........
[10:33] <philipacamaniac> I can't get it running well on any of my old 386/486 systems
[10:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[10:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> i thought linux was desighen for legacy machenes
[10:34] <pestilence> i would expect an option in the logoff menu, as in gnome/ubuntu.  but there is not.
[10:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> i think it's in the controll panel options
[10:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> under power
[10:35] <alex> and why does my computer say in its text form that it cant find cpu frequency blablabla when waking it from sleep?
[10:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> that i don't know
[10:35] <alex> does anyone else have this problem?
[10:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> you might wanna ask someone else
[10:35] <alex> ya
[10:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[10:36] <pestilence> The /usr/bin/klaptop_acpi_helper application does not seem to have the same size or checksum as when it was compiled we do NOT recommend you proceed with making it setuid-root without further investigation
[10:36] <philipacamaniac> ppc...
[10:36] <cevans> alex: what type of laptop?
[10:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> if i get it running i'll tell you guys
[10:36] <alex> ibook g3
[10:36] <nmorse> God, Apple's switching to Intel!!!!!!
[10:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> that way you can useit
[10:36] <alex> ya, just saw
[10:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> WHAT????
[10:36] <alex> hehe
[10:36] <Choubaka> And Sarge was released.
[10:36] <nmorse> I'm scared crapless
[10:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> where did you see it????
[10:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> what site?
[10:37] <alex> macrumors.com for one of the many sites
[10:37] <cevans> quite a few sites have it
[10:37] <nmorse> Look anywhere
[10:37] <Choubaka> http://people.zoy.org/~sam/phd-sarge.png
[10:37] <Choubaka> ;)
[10:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> shit that means say good by to the mac
[10:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> :(
[10:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> i really liked them too
[10:37] <alex> i dont want that ugly pentium sticker on my next mac! or that jingle: ding, ding dign da diiiiigggnnn!
[10:38] <Choubaka> nmorse: Even _SLASHDOT_ has reported it ;P
[10:38] <alex> sucks
[10:38] <alex> at least amd...
[10:38] <alex> but no, pentium wtf!
[10:38] <Choubaka> Anyway, I don't think the quality of laptops will degrade too much.
[10:38] <alex> oh well
[10:38] <pestilence> well if /. reported it, it must be true.
[10:38] <Choubaka> since they're still going to be propritary computers.
[10:38] <Choubaka> prie* :P
[10:38] <nmorse> I'm officially quitting Macs (though the addiction may come back)
[10:39] <Choubaka> Why?
[10:39] <Choubaka> ;P
[10:39] <alex> why?
[10:39] <alex> its still osx
[10:39] <alex> just the cpu changes
[10:39] <Choubaka> It's not like the PowerPC makes a mac good.
[10:39] <alex> everything is the same, basically
[10:39] <alex> ya
[10:39] <alex> exactly Choubaka
[10:40] <philipacamaniac> although the G5 chip is 64 bit... and they usually include 2 chips
[10:40] <Choubaka> And as I sad, as far as I know apple is still going to regulate what hardware you use.
[10:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea but it still won't be the same :(
[10:40] <Choubaka> said*
[10:40] <philipacamaniac> so we'd be talking about x64 if this were comparable
[10:40] <Choubaka> foqifjioqejw typos.
[10:40] <alex> well its not going to happen overnight
[10:40] <alex> slowly over a few years
[10:40] <Choubaka> this is just hearsay, but they say that apple is not going to use a BIOS in their comps
[10:41] <alex> just ibm couldnt keep up
[10:41] <nmorse> 2 years
[10:41] <alex> yay!
[10:41] <Choubaka> just Openfirmware.
[10:41] <alex> i hate bios
[10:41] <nmorse> Two dadgum years till all Macs run on Intel!
[10:41] <alex> yuck
[10:41] <philipacamaniac> I highly doubt the x86 statements... 32-bit is an ancient 10-year old architecture
[10:41] <Choubaka> You probably won't be seeing any general el-crappy-cheapo computers running OS X though.
[10:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> <span class="textPln">At Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference today,
[10:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> CEO Steve Jobs announced plans to deliver Macs using Intel
[10:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its</span>
[10:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> thats just a portion of the article
[10:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> :(
[10:42] <philipacamaniac> My guess is the contract includes intel creating a new line of processors for Mac
[10:42] <Choubaka> I'm saying the quality of macs is unlikely to go down.
[10:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> http://www.macnn.com/
[10:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> it won't be the same "feel" though
[10:43] <Choubaka> Why not?
[10:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> macs will no longer be "diffrent"
[10:43] <alex> well they demoed at wwdc macs running tiger and stuff, and later on they revealed this was being demoed on a pentium4
[10:43] <Choubaka> It'll be cute apple machines with OS X
[10:44] <Choubaka> just the processor has changed.
[10:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> i dunno man i still don't like it
[10:44] <Choubaka> And You can't even see the processor.
[10:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea macs always used like no nmae cpus
[10:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> no name even
[10:44] <Choubaka> _Church_of_FoamY: You're just prejudiced.
[10:44] <alex> apparently the new apps will use "fat" binairies that work on ppc and intel
[10:44] <philipacamaniac> dual G5s runs infinite circles around a single POS Pentium 4
[10:44] <alex> ya
[10:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> no but i tell ya whay an amd box "feels" diffrent than an intell box
[10:45] <Choubaka> We'll see what happens.
[10:45] <Choubaka> Don't panic!
[10:45] <alex> i always hated intel
[10:45] <alex> preffered amd
[10:45] <alex> but who knows...
[10:45] <philipacamaniac> Pentium 4 doesn't even compare -- it isn't in the same league
[10:45] <Choubaka> I doubt they will use P4s :P
[10:45] <Choubaka> They will use something 64bit
[10:45] <philipacamaniac> 32bit vs. 64bit.... what the &*%&# are they thinking?
[10:45] <nmorse> Pentium M's for laptops could be nice though
[10:46] <Choubaka> philipacamaniac: hm?
[10:46] <Choubaka> Who says they're going 32bit? :P
[10:46] <philipacamaniac> I don't know, I have a Pentium M, and my buddy's new PowerBook puts my Sager to shame
[10:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> you know what this means though
[10:46] <Choubaka> They demoed the intelmac stuff on a P4, yes.
[10:46] <philipacamaniac> Choubaka: P4 is 32 bit
[10:46] <Choubaka> but that's just to show the transition will be easy.
[10:46] <KaiL> philipacamaniac: nop.
[10:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> intell would actually have to desighn something that was actually.......good
[10:47] <pestilence> ah....you right click on the battery app, it has the suspend/hibernate options
[10:47] <KaiL> Prescott is amd64
[10:47] <Choubaka> OS X and its APIs are portable.
[10:47] <alex> but the powermacs will not switch from g5 to p4...
[10:47] <philipacamaniac> KaiL: amd?
[10:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> brb i'm gonna go get one of the macs from the basement and try to put ubuntu on it
[10:47] <KaiL> or call it x86_64 ;)
[10:47] <Choubaka> Anyway, they _will not_ back to 32bit.
[10:48] <Choubaka> I am almost certain of that.
[10:48] <Choubaka> because it would be idiotic.
[10:48] <Choubaka> Why would apple do something idiotic?
[10:48] <alex> apparently the consumer machines will switch first, like the mac mini and ibook, then when intel will have 64bit ready the powermacs will switch too
[10:48] <ataxic> desperate?
[10:48] <philipacamaniac> KaiL: I was unaware...
[10:49] <philipacamaniac> KaiL: googling..
[10:49] <Choubaka> Now, they're going to use intel processors because intel can make processors cheaper than apple can.
[10:49] <alex> you mean ibm
[10:49] <alex> :)
[10:49] <philipacamaniac> apple didn't make the ppc, IBM did
[10:49] <philipacamaniac> yeah
[10:49] <philipacamaniac> :)
[10:49] <Choubaka> well, yes.
[10:49] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea but apple makes em better than intell lol
[10:49] <Choubaka> _Church_of_FoamY: Who knows.
[10:49] <Choubaka> Maybe they'll come up with something new.
[10:49] <philipacamaniac> yeah... who knows...
[10:50] <_Church_of_FoamY> and apple always is meticulus about there parts
[10:50] <alex> ya, in two years things will change
[10:50] <Choubaka> And macs will be cheaper.
[10:50] <alex> yay!
[10:50] <_Church_of_FoamY> ditto
[10:50] <Choubaka> and people can run OS X, which is a wonderful OS, virus-free and all that.
[10:50] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh i'm shure it will get viruses
[10:50] <Choubaka> Well, some.
[10:50] <_Church_of_FoamY> all popular osses get them
[10:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> it just takes a while
[10:51] <Choubaka> But it's not as bad as Windows. :)
[10:51] <alex> does linux have viruses?
[10:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> true
[10:51] <philipacamaniac> It matters not to anyone in here, because we all love Kubuntu+KDE
[10:51] <Choubaka> None active.
[10:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> only 2 that i know of
[10:51] <nmorse> No, popularity has nothing to do with virus attacks
[10:51] <Choubaka> Windows gets even fiercer competition! Yayay.
[10:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> but they can't do anything
[10:51] <alex> well unless a virus can somehow get root acces, there will be no viruses
[10:51] <nmorse> Apache gets fewer viruses than ISS
[10:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[10:51] <nmorse> But it's way more popular
[10:51] <philipacamaniac> alex: they are called rootkits
[10:51] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: can you name another OS besides Windows that gets viruses? I can't think of one...
[10:52] <alex> ahh, sorry
[10:52] <Choubaka> And OS X is easier to use than Windows, they say.
[10:52] <alex> oh ya
[10:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> i don't know linux is really growing in popularity sence last year
[10:52] <philipacamaniac> alex: never seen one in the wild, but they supposedly exist
[10:52] <_ubuntu> i cant decide between kubunutu and ubuntu ...
[10:52] <Choubaka> _ubuntu: try both
[10:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[10:52] <Choubaka> you know, they're the same distro
[10:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> they just do things a diffrent way
[10:52] <Choubaka> install ubuntu first, then install the package "kubuntu-desktop"
[10:52] <_ubuntu> yes, i mean kde or gnome
[10:52] <nmorse> Use ubuntu, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:53] <nmorse> If you try GNOME, you'll love KDE when you find it
[10:53] <alex> can i do the same with kubuntu?
[10:53] <mats> why would you? :p
[10:53] <mats> hihi
[10:53] <alex> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[10:53] <philipacamaniac> KDE seems to be more integrated together, while GNOME (in Ubuntu) seems to be more polished
[10:53] <alex> dunno ;)
[10:54] <thoreauputic> philipacamaniac: the new xfce4 is very nice too, actually
[10:54] <philipacamaniac> I agree.. it is quite nice
[10:54] <gensn> i heared something about kde4 "plasma" and stuff... is there something planned for gnome (3?)
[10:54] <alex> what kind of a name is xfce4?? lol
[10:55] <thoreauputic> alex: I expect there's a nerdy story behind that one :)
[10:55] <alex> hehe
[10:56] <bobbyd> hi
[10:56] <bobbyd> how do I h
[10:56] <alex> anyway its pretty amazing that this news of apple and intel made its way even into a kubuntu irc channel...
[10:56] <thoreauputic> alex: but then, what kind of a name is "XP" for that matter ;-)
[10:56] <philipacamaniac> gensn: yeah... can't remember... oh yeah: http://gnome.org/~seth/
[10:56] <bobbyd> how do I change the font size in kynaptic? the fonts are huge...
[10:57] <thoreauputic> alex: quite afew linux people run macs ( I have ubuntu on an iBook G4 for example)
[10:57] <alex> thoreauputic: yeah lol
[10:57] <alex> ah
[10:57] <alex> me too
[10:57] <philipacamaniac> xfce = Cholesterol Free Environment (so I guess it should be CFE)
[10:58] <thoreauputic> ah
[10:59] <gensn> philipacamaniac: yeah, there open gl "wobble-windows" are nice :)
[10:59] <philipacamaniac> see my latest blog entry for a roundup of KDE4 coolness: http://www.philipandjenny.com/2005/06/06/kde-4-will-be-awesome/
[10:59] <hussam> guys, I have a question. what is this file /proc/kcore ?  It is a 384MB file
[10:59] <philipacamaniac> gensn: I hope it is cool, so KDE can be better :)
[10:59] <alex> okay well i have to go, be guys!
[10:59] <alex> *bye
[10:59] <philipacamaniac> competition is good
[11:00] <thoreauputic> hussam: /proc is virtual - it doesn't really take up the space you are seeing
[11:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> forgot i had to download the ubuntu ISO again
[11:00] <gensn> true that :>
[11:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> :P
[11:00] <mats> hihi
[11:00] <alex> bye
[11:00] <philipacamaniac> hussam: linux treats processes and memory space as files
[11:00] <hussam> thoreauputic: Ok
[11:01] <hussam> so this file is 384MB because I have 384MB of ram on this PC?
[11:01] <philipacamaniac> indeed
[11:01] <gensn> i like kde and used in on suse, but i think gnome is a little bit faster sometimes, but not so user friendly... ah dunno...
[11:02] <philipacamaniac> KDE really does want a faster machine... but the latest GNOME is getting up there, too.
[11:02] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: is there an ETA for KDE 4?
[11:02] <morten> Aloha :)
[11:02] <thoreauputic> gensn: interesting - KDE "feels" a bit quicker on this machine
[11:02] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: 2006 is all we know
[11:02] <_Church_of_FoamY> why does it want a faster machene?
[11:02] <hussam> I'm installing xfce 4.2.2 now using xfce4-4.2.2-installer.bin
[11:02] <morten> ... where was it you could get that thing that would fix kdelibs __
[11:03] <morten> ?? even
[11:03] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: hopefully before longhorn
[11:03] <philipacamaniac> :)
[11:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> fluxbox?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> philipacamaniac: about the same time as Duke Nukem Forever , then ;-) ?
[11:04] <philipacamaniac> no, no... KDE has good release history
[11:04] <_Church_of_FoamY> what is fluxbox?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: fluxbox is a very small, quick window manager
[11:04] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[11:04] <philipacamaniac> but KDE 3.5 will almost certainly come first (Fall 2005)
[11:04] <_Church_of_FoamY> i get it
[11:06] <morten> .... Once there was a link in the "headline" to where that shell-file-thingie that fixed kdelibs could be downloaded.. anyone remember where _
[11:06] <_Church_of_FoamY> how come when i'm doing alot of things the music i play get kinda skippy?
[11:06] <philipacamaniac> Some discussion of the release schedule... http://commit-digest.org/index.php?issue=jun32005
[11:07] <thoreauputic> morten: if you mean kdelibs-debug.sh , I have a copy here
[11:08] <morten> Yup.. thats the one..
[11:08] <thoreauputic> morten: I could probably DCC it to you if you like
[11:08] <philipacamaniac> does he need that? There is an updated kdelibs...
[11:08] <morten> What ever DCC means ... it would be great :)
[11:08] <morten> (is kinda new to linux and irc thingie)
[11:08] <thoreauputic> yes, I don't think it's necesary
[11:08] <nmorse> ftp://www.betterthanducttape.com/kdelibs-debug.sh has it too
[11:08] <morten> Ill just get it from there
[11:09] <thoreauputic> morten: are you sure you need it?
[11:09] <hussam> philipacamaniac: does this "/usr/share/autopackage" directory exist on your PC?
[11:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> anyone know?
[11:09] <morten> Nope.. i did last time i installed kubuntu
[11:09] <philipacamaniac> hussam: no
[11:09] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: do you have on-board sound?
[11:09] <RetroMan> church: how much RAM do you have?
[11:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> yes
[11:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> 128mb
[11:09] <philipacamaniac> hussam: http://commit-digest.org/index.php?issue=jun32005
[11:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> i mean 256mb
[11:10] <philipacamaniac> hussam: sorry, wrong link
[11:10] <thoreauputic> morten: the kdelibs issue is fixed now
[11:10] <morten> ahhh, ok.. then I dont need it :)
[11:10] <philipacamaniac> hussam: http://autopackage.org
[11:11] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: well, sound uses CPU so if you are doing something CPU intensive your sound might suffer
[11:11] <_Church_of_FoamY> is that just onboard?
[11:12] <_Church_of_FoamY> or any sound at all?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> a dedicated sound card will always perform best, of course
[11:12] <thoreauputic> if it's any good
[11:12] <philipacamaniac> hussan: looks like all you have to do to a .package file is make it executable (right click - properties - permissions - is executable)
[11:12] <philipacamaniac> *hussam
[11:13] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have an ISA one a sb-16 i think
[11:13] <hussam> philipacamaniac: Ok , got that
[11:13] <_Church_of_FoamY> lool
[11:14] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: ISA can be a pain to configure
[11:14] <_Church_of_FoamY> hey is there a program that will let you record internet radio?
[11:14] <nmorse> The only sound card that uses less CPU is really the Audigy series
[11:14] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[11:14] <gensn> i hate that -  why does ctrl+c / ctrl+v - copy / paste not work properly whith kde?
[11:14] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: sure, get streamripper and streamtuner
[11:14] <nmorse> They have a built-in DSP that cuts down on CPU usage
[11:14] <_Church_of_FoamY> i think i can get one of those
[11:14] <nmorse> Foamy, don't bother
[11:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> is that an apt-get?
[11:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> or a synaptic thing?
[11:15] <nmorse> Just set whatever program you use to play sound to a higher priority
[11:15] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: yes
[11:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> sweet
[11:15] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: get both
[11:15] <morten> Anyone of you tried that... GTK-QT thingie.. that makes GTK-windows look like QT (or something like that)
[11:15] <nmorse> Yeah, I use it
[11:16] <thoreauputic> streamtuner works with streamripper to rip mp3 etc from shoutcast
[11:16] <morten> Is it good __
[11:16] <nmorse> The only problem is the GTK File selector is still as ugly as sin
[11:16] <nmorse> It works great otherwise
[11:16] <abisen> hey i installed firefox on kubuntu and the fonts on the firefox interface are too small .. where do i make them appear decent ??
[11:17] <philipacamaniac> abisen: in the interface, or on webpages?
[11:17] <abisen> philipacamaniac: interfaces
[11:18] <philipacamaniac> abisen: do you have gtk2-engines-gtk-qt  ?
[11:19] <abisen> philipacamaniac: nopes
[11:19] <philipacamaniac> abisen: having that package allows you to control the font size of gnome/gtk applications
[11:19] <abisen> philipacamaniac: installing ...
[11:20] <philipacamaniac> abisen: once installed, a new option in the KDE Control Center will appear in Appearence & Themes: "GTK Styles and Fonts"
[11:21] <abisen> philipacamaniac: thanks a lot ... i am installing them now !!! internet speed is slow...it's still downloading
[11:21] <abisen> philipacamaniac: that'll help a lot right now ... firefox looks ugly
[11:22] <philipacamaniac> you might also install the Firefox Plastikfox Crystal SVG theme (from the Firefox theme site)
[11:22] <abisen> somehow the KDE looks much more slicker faster and cleaner in kubuntu as compared to SuSE's version on KDE
[11:23] <gensn> definitly faster
[11:23] <philipacamaniac> abisen: probably because of the lipstik/plastik window themes
[11:23] <abisen> gensn: and 200% less cluttered
[11:23] <thoreauputic> abisen: kubuntu is a nice job, indeed
[11:26] <morten> what is the "misc windows fonts" package called in apt-get ??
[11:28] <philipacamaniac> morten: msttcorefonts
[11:28] <nmorse> mscorewebfonts?
[11:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> why wont stream runner pull up stations from live365.com but it will for shoutcast?
[11:28] <philipacamaniac> yeah that too
[11:28] <mats> look in /usr/lib/kde3 i dont know
[11:28] <morten> Tanks :)
[11:29] <bobbyd> how do I add a new group for users to be part of?
[11:30] <philipacamaniac> sudo addgroup
[11:30] <morten> "Custom Firefox Forms - Make you firefox form widgets look decent" is from them auto script for new users.... there are some of the things in that script i dont want, so I'm installing them manual... what is that package called ....
[11:30] <morten> (will soon be finished asking questions)
[11:30] <nmorse> Is there some dadgum way to dadgum make the PlastikFox buttons smaller?
[11:31] <philipacamaniac> dadgum yes
[11:31] <philipacamaniac> nmorse: dadgum right click that there toolbar and hit yer customize, then check that there box that says "Use Small Icons"
[11:31] <philipacamaniac> :)
[11:32] <dtorg29> no on gaim
[11:33] <abisen> i am building/installing vmware and it needs kernel sources what package do i install for that i installed linux-source and it downloaded a tar.gz in /usr/src/ i need the kernel source ???
[11:35] <abisen> i need linux-headers-i386 meta package :)
[11:36] <philipacamaniac> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[11:36] <philipacamaniac> (assuming you are using the 386 kernel)
[11:37] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: ok, when I do sudo usermod -G newGroup myUser then I log out and back in and do groups, I don't see the new group
[11:38] <philipacamaniac> has anyone got full Gmail to work in Konqueror yet?
[11:38] <Chislon> hi
[11:38] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: do it from a Konsole... have you created the group yet
[11:39] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: oops, I just screwed the groups on my user
[11:39] <Chislon> when using the kde messenger it tries to save my password in te k wallets thing.... but when i put in the password i just set up, it says read error, possibly wrong password... i dont get it
[11:39] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: how do I restore the default groups?
[11:39] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: hold on
[11:39] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: btw, you shouldn't need to log out to apply a group change
[11:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> any idea why streamcast won't see stations from live365.com
[11:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> but shoucast stations work
[11:41] <bobbyd> _Church_of_FoamY: ports are blocked?
[11:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> i can play it through mozilla with kaffiene
[11:42] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: http://rafb.net/paste/results/GKUG6U39.html
[11:42] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: thanks :)
[11:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> but i can't play it with that program you guys recommended
[11:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> it dosen't see live365.com
[11:42] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: also, there should be a group with your username... make sure you are in there too
[11:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> it's weard
[11:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> if it is a port which one?
[11:43] <_morten> how come that when i get nvidia driver installed everything gets extreamly big.... ?
[11:44] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: the problem is, I can't modify the user now because I can't get root because I'm not in the sudoers file :(
[11:44] <bobbyd> _Church_of_FoamY: no idea
[11:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> beacuse theres a station that i really want to record from live365 and i even know the name of it
[11:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> i just don't know how to put it in the player
[11:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> so i can play and record
[11:46] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: I assume 'adm' is your username?
[11:46] <philipacamaniac> no... I didn't include the username, adm is another group
[11:46] <bobbyd> OK
[11:47] <bobbyd> any ideas about getting to be root?
[11:47] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: btw, if you don't want users to be able to sudo, just remove them from admin
[11:47] <philipacamaniac> oh, hmm
[11:47] <philipacamaniac> other than sudo -i  ?
[11:48] <bobbyd> where would I run that from?
[11:48] <nmorse> sudo passwd root
[11:48] <nmorse> That'll get you a root account
[11:48] <philipacamaniac> yes, but understand that it isn't recommended by ubuntu devels or canonical
[11:48] <bobbyd> nmorse: it just says I'm not i nthe sudoers file
[11:49] <philipacamaniac> okay, you need to be in the admin group
[11:49] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: but I broke it by nuking my user's groups
[11:49] <philipacamaniac> hmm,
[11:49] <bobbyd> so I can't change the groups I'm in
[11:49] <bobbyd> oh dear :(
[11:50] <dabugas> hi
[11:51] <philipacamaniac> well, if you don't have a working sudo user, you may have to boot from the install cd (or the live cd), and use that root to add your user back to admin
[11:51] <bobbyd> ok
[11:51] <bobbyd> how can I use the install CD to do that?
[11:51] <philipacamaniac> I'm thinking...
[11:51] <bobbyd> ok, sorry about this
[11:52] <philipacamaniac> no prob -its fun!
[11:52] <bobbyd> can't I start in single user mode
[11:52] <bobbyd> and fix it that way somehow?
[11:52] <_morten> Anyone have that GTK-QT theme engine as a .deb file ??
[11:52] <dabugas> i was fiddling with the keyboard layouts in the kde control center and for some reason the (') has turned into accent and the (") into umlauts. any way I can reset xkb? (just "default"ing everything in the control panel didn't work.)
[11:53] <nmorse> gtk2-theme-gtk-qt or something like that, _morten
[11:53] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: just reboot, and on the grub menu, choose "recovery mode", it will give you a root prompt (without a password hopefully)
[11:53] <nmorse> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[11:53] <nmorse> Is the correct name, _morten
[11:53] <_morten> Yeah... I think
[11:54] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: I'm there :)
[11:55] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: is the default group for a user bob, 'bob'?
[11:55] <philipacamaniac> then why are you still here? j/k lol
[11:55] <_morten> ahh well, AFK.. Seinfeld...
[11:55] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: yes, plus all the other groups
[11:55] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: ok cool, it's working, thanks :)
[11:56] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: any user created after your first user will not be in any groups
[11:56] <Chislon> what are iptables
[11:56] <dabugas> can anyone help me? i've run out of hair! :)
[11:57] <nmorse> try rogaine
[11:58] <philipacamaniac> Chislon: IP packet rules, basically a firewall... you can install guarddog (a KDE frontend for configuring iptables)
[11:58] <philipacamaniac> Chislon: It is in the Universe section of the ubuntu repositories
[11:58] <Chislon> philipacamaniac, ohh ok thank you
[11:59] <Chislon> philipacamaniac, is that better htan firestarter? some forums im reading say guarddog isnt secure or somehting?
[11:59] <philipacamaniac> firestarter is a gnome program, guarddog is KDE. I haven't heard anything about security flaws in either program.
[12:00] <philipacamaniac> I have to go, see ya later on!