[00:36] <Flannel> Weeeee
[00:36] <Seeker`> Pici fails
[00:41] <Myrtti> he does
[00:41] <Myrtti> epicly
[00:42] <nalioth> hopefully, he will not give "War and Peace" a run for it's money
[00:53] <elkbuntu> poor pici
[00:53]  * Myrtti huggles everyone
[00:54] <Myrtti> wubs you all, take care, see you on the other side of my dreams
[00:54] <nalioth> sleep well, Myrtti
[00:58]  * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti goodnight
[01:23] <Flannel> chanbotX approved?
[01:26] <elkbuntu> can someone remove 'ubuntu' from the exploit quarantine?
[01:26] <jrib> elkbuntu: does that require more than removing the ban?  ie do will the bots be confused?
[01:26] <elkbuntu> yes
[01:27] <Flannel> just log on with an ubuntu nick and get tested
[01:27] <Flannel> right?
[01:27] <elkbuntu> there is a less manual way, but that works
[01:31] <jrib> so USERNAME is just a troll right?
[01:32] <Flannel> I'm... pretty sure, yeah.
[01:32] <Flannel> but, waiting for a few more offtopic comments first
[01:32] <elkbuntu> self-extinguishing troll. my favourite type
[01:33] <Mez> ok, it's strange, but I just got a service credit for 1/4 of my normal server bill for reccomending someone, and i have no idea who they are, or where I reccomended them
[01:33] <Flannel> I think he thinks if he joins and leaves occassionally, we wont notice its him ad he can get a few oddball comments in
[01:34] <elkbuntu> Flannel, my thought too
[01:36]  * Flannel wonders if wols embodies unops nick occassionally.
[01:36] <Flannel> so, KevinO, chanbot(2|3), ]
[01:37] <Flannel> it... may be a bot?
[01:37] <elkbuntu> Flannel, whois it
[01:38] <Flannel> Mmm, chanbot3 was signed on to the account "chanbot"
[01:38] <Flannel> and, check the cloak too
[01:38] <elkbuntu> kevino is a bot though
[01:39] <Flannel> I was pretty sure it was a bot, is it an allowed bot?
[01:39] <elkbuntu> doubted
[01:39] <Flannel> I assumed, but wanted to at least ask someone else.
[01:40] <elkbuntu> Flannel, oh, and as for unop, he's from #debian ... just like wols. seeing a theme here?
[01:40] <Flannel> makes sense.
[01:43] <Mez> * chanbot2 :No such nick/channel * chanbot3 :No such nick/channel * Kevin0 :No such nick/channel * chanbot3 :No such nick/channel * kevino :No such nick/channel
[01:44] <Flannel> Mez: you're so... 6, 5, 4, 3 minutes ago (or whatever the times were)
[01:44] <Flannel> But, he's apparently not a bot, just setting up ana lternative nick, and forgot he was in channels
[01:44] <Flannel> Eh... and apparently giving me flack in #u
[01:45] <Flannel> maybe that's the bot talking.
[01:45] <Flannel> someone else want to poke him in a PM, see if he responds in channel?
[01:46] <Flannel> as in, responds in an automated manner.
[01:46] <nalioth> it's a user
[01:47] <Flannel> I... believe you now.  Although a few minutes ago, not so much.
[01:47] <Flannel> nickspamming anyway.  And not very friendly about it at that.
[01:47] <nalioth> he's been in #freenode, trying to setup the account
[01:48] <Flannel> nalioth: Whats with the bot cloak then?
[01:48] <Flannel> is this an alternative nick for a bot then?
[01:48] <nalioth> yes, he was setting it up for his bot
[01:49] <Flannel> Sounds good.  Reminding him we don't allow bots in #ubuntu shouldn't have gotten such a horrid response in the channel though.
[01:54] <Dimitrov> Hello is there any reason that an ubuntu op should pm me messages instead of just adressing me in the channel directly.
[01:55] <elkbuntu> Dimitrov, yes, unless you want 1200 people to also suspect you're breaking rules.
[01:55] <Dimitrov> elkbuntu, i thought that was the way it was generally handled.
[01:56] <Dimitrov> and i was breaking no rules.
[01:56] <elkbuntu> Dimitrov, your cloak suggests otherwise, and the last thing we want is 1200 actual bots in the channel 'because he gets to'
[01:57] <Dimitrov> elkbuntu, my cloak is old. i have dropped the chanbot nick. and i was in the process of getting a new one when i was pm's by ubuntu op
[01:58] <elkbuntu> sometimes you need to accept that we do things the way we do because we are experienced enough to know it's the safest way
[01:58] <Dimitrov> the only thing i was doing was changing my nick to find a suitable one. I do not need Ubuntu ops pm'ing me. they have always sent me messages in the channel, and i dont see why this time should be any different
[01:59] <nalioth> Dimitrov: i've informed them of your intentions.  perhaps you should leave populated channels next time you plan on a bunch of nick changes . . .
[02:00] <Dimitrov> nalioth, thanks, i informed them from the get go thats what happened. I thought i was being pm'ed by a freenode staffer
[02:02] <Flannel> Heaven forbid I keep it discrete.
[02:04] <elkbuntu> i've no idea if my coments got through, since my bip decided to start ignoring my connection
[02:05] <Flannel> elkbuntu: We got... cloak suggests otherwise, and sometimes you need to accept
[02:05] <elkbuntu> that's all there was
[02:05] <elkbuntu> cool
[02:05] <Flannel> I guess I'll just have to spam factoids in the future (might I add, which also send PMs)
[02:07] <elkbuntu> gkffjcs_, did you read the topic of #ubuntu-read-topic?
[02:07] <gkffjcs_> I cannot join #ubuntu, it says I'm vonerable to some sort of attack, the sit that it links too says to change your port to 8001, which I have done, yet I still cannot connect to #ubuntu, it also says it might be a problem with my router, I can connect to #ubuntu on several other machines on the subnet behind my nat.
[02:08] <elkbuntu> gkffjcs_, you're in quarantine still. you need to get yourself tested. read all the instructions in there
[02:08] <gkffjcs_> ps, why can I connect to #kubuntu, and #kubuntu-kde4?
[02:09] <elkbuntu> because they dont quarantine affected users
[02:09] <elkbuntu> gkffjcs_, did you re-read the instructions in the topic yet?
[02:12] <gkffjcs_> got it working!
[02:12] <elkbuntu> amazing how reading *all* the instructions helps, hey ;)
[02:13] <elkbuntu> if you have no further issues, we do prefer this channel be kept clear so we know who needs help
[02:14] <gkffjcs_> Thanks for the attitude.................
[02:14] <elkbuntu> o.O
[02:15]  * Flannel wonders if everyone has a chip on their shoulder today.
[02:15] <elkbuntu> i think so
[02:17] <elkbuntu> i think i was supposed to apologise and/or cheer for his inability to read instructions, and newfound ability to do so.
[02:18] <Flannel> Maybe you should have simple reminded him to read the entire topic
[08:08] <Flannel> elkbuntu: Since when do hawks eat bugs?
[08:12] <Myrtti> Flannel: er, since there has been small hawks?
[08:15] <Flannel> Interesting.  Kites eat mainly insects.  I always thought it was critters.
[08:17] <Myrtti> linky?
[08:18] <Flannel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_of_prey
[08:18] <Flannel> Kites, under types
[08:18] <Flannel> I always thought they hovered looking for mice and stuff.
[08:19] <elkbuntu> Flannel, as someone who's actually cared for injured wildlife, some will eat anything that moves and can fit down their throat. it can be a bit of chopped meat wiggling in front of them for all they care
[08:19] <elkbuntu> the fun part is keeping your fingertips
[08:19] <Myrtti> yup
[08:21] <Flannel> elkbuntu: Most animals do, but thats not really the point
[08:21] <Flannel> s/do/will/
[08:21] <elkbuntu> although, having fuzzies is always ideal, a bit of chopped roadkill is just as good.
[08:23]  * Myrtti grunts and gets up from the bed
[11:04] <jpds> !postfix
[11:15] <jpds> ikonia: *sigh*
[11:15] <ikonia> ?
[11:15] <ikonia> the school kid ?
[11:15] <jpds> Yeah.
[11:15] <ikonia> I know, I know
[12:00] <LjL> are you aware of any widely used irc clients, aside from irssi i guess, where clicking on a posted channel name *doesn't* make you join the channel?
[12:02] <jpds> weechat
[12:02] <stdin> xchat
[12:02] <LjL> xchat doesn't do that?
[12:02] <LjL> pff
[12:02] <jpds> -EJUSTSTOPUSINGKONVERSATION :p
[12:02] <LjL> konversation does it, no problem there
[12:02] <stdin> it shows them as a link, but doesn't do anything on click (only right-click menu)
[12:03] <LjL> i'm thinking we should change the !language factoids so we don't have to keep explaining how to join *after* giving them
[12:03] <LjL> but putting a dozen /join's in them breaks them somehow
[12:04] <LjL> right click might work although it's a bit more involved (but konversation can also work with right click, what about weechat jpds?)
[12:04] <jpds> No idea, I use irssi.
[12:04] <LjL> ah
[12:05] <LjL> even if you radically change all the factoids so they say "type: /join #blah", that's still obscure to a good percentage of people, as it seems awkward to them that they'd have to type that in the channel window
[12:06] <LjL> clicking on a "link" on the other hand is someone everyone is pretty accustomed to (although they apparently still don't do it unless they're told)
[12:07] <LjL> !irc
[12:07] <Myrtti> that should include a short guide to irc
[12:08] <LjL> if you know of one that's decent
[12:09] <LjL>  xchat-gnome, lostirc, loqui, pidgin  —  KDE  client: konversation, ksirc, kopete, kvirc  —  client: xchat  —  console  client: irssi, weechat
[12:09] <LjL> any others?
[12:09] <Myrtti> chatzilla
[12:10] <LjL> Myrtti: that's the one embedded in netscape?
[12:10] <LjL> seamonkey-chatzilla yeah
[12:11] <LjL> argh it's not in bestbot's package db, i guess i have to update it
[12:14] <LjL> just someone tell me about xchat-gnome and pigdin, i'll try the others, but i don't want to get gnome installed on me
[12:15] <ompaul> xchat-gnome is rubbish compared to xchat au natural
[12:16] <LjL> ompaul: ok but does it open channels when you click on them
[12:16] <ompaul> yes
[12:16] <LjL> alright
[12:16] <ompaul> unfortunately you have to have it open first ;-)
[12:16] <LjL> err?
[12:17] <ompaul>  the -gnome thing is just horrible
[12:17] <LjL> ah...
[12:17] <Myrtti> it sucks.
[12:17] <LjL> well i don't care, but people use it
[12:17] <ompaul> in fact horrible is too soft a phrase
[12:17] <LjL> *especially* people who might not know how to join channels
[12:17] <Myrtti> the sad thing is, as of hardy, it was the only dedicated irc client in main
[12:17] <ompaul> LjL, better to advocate xchat
[12:17] <LjL> weechat and irssi, i somehow doubt it
[12:17] <Myrtti> depends on terminal
[12:17] <ompaul> Myrtti, and main is not the only thing that comes in repos
[12:18] <Myrtti> anymore...
[12:18] <LjL> ompaul: it's not a matter of advocating, read above, i'm trying to make the "!language | nickname, <nickname> ok but how do i join???" thing stop
[12:18] <ompaul> ack
[12:18] <LjL> and putting /join in every factoid is not it
[12:18] <ompaul> LjL, sorry was off at the feeding house
[12:18] <ompaul> actually houses
[12:18] <ompaul> it was fun
[12:18] <Myrtti> coffee!
[12:19]  * Myrtti hugs her pink moka pot
[12:19] <LjL> now i wonder how i make kopete join irc
[12:19] <LjL> and why my kicker, *which allegedly was just fixed a lot*, just crashed
[12:19] <Myrtti> *bwurp*
[12:19] <Myrtti> nom.
[12:20] <ompaul> btw there is a fun thread on my local lug which has to do with my passion for awarding pints of beer for things done in a geek fashion
[12:20] <ompaul> you could choose water if you wanted or soft drink of choice also
[12:20] <Myrtti> sure - I've just not had any coffee in about two days
[12:20] <LjL> ... arcnet.vapor.com?
[12:20] <Myrtti> ah - sorry
[12:20] <Myrtti> no coffee
[12:20] <LjL> that's the network that kopete joins by default?
[12:20] <Myrtti> me no brain
[12:21] <ompaul> well providing the emporium actually serves it
[12:21] <LjL> are the irc client packages in ubuntu striving to keep #ubuntu and #kubuntu at low traffic levels...?
[12:22] <ompaul> LjL, that could be a plan
[12:23] <LjL> ompaul: well it's not a plan as it's implemented already... i think i've yet to see a package that joins freenode *and* #ubuntu by default aside from konversation
[12:23] <LjL> although admittedly i've hardly tried them all
[12:23] <ompaul> LjL, xchat
[12:23] <LjL> it does? i thought it didn't last time i used it
[12:23] <LjL> ah wait
[12:23] <jpds> irssi still has irc.ubuntu.com's default port as 6667
[12:23] <LjL> except xchat isn't installed by default
[12:23] <ompaul> jpds, fix pleads
[12:23] <Myrtti> oh for christ sake, I hate clients that autojoin a network and a channel by default
[12:24] <ompaul> Myrtti, so we need two versions
[12:24] <LjL> Myrtti: alright, then make them join *none*, but if one has to be joined and/or pre-selected, make it freenode and #ubuntu, no?
[12:24] <Nafallo> xchat-auto?
[12:24] <ompaul> Myrtti, you can also with xchat choose freenode and sit there doing nothing
[12:24] <LjL> Myrtti: also, for the clients that are installed by default, they really should
[12:24] <Myrtti> hhhrrrhh
[12:24] <ompaul> Nafallo, xchat-shreik?
[12:24]  * ompaul hides
[12:24] <LjL> getting to the IRC channels for support shouldn't be a matter of hard configuring
[12:24] <Myrtti> LjL: no sane person uses pidgin for IRC...
[12:24] <LjL> you should just have to click the IRC icon
[12:24] <Nafallo> ompaul: you fail at spelling
[12:24] <ompaul> Myrtti, gnome
[12:24] <LjL> Myrtti: except all the very sane people who join for support
[12:25] <Myrtti> since pidgin hasn't got any of the irc specific plugins installed by default
[12:25] <LjL> you aren't forgetting #ubuntu is not for IRC geeks but for people who're seeking ubuntu support, no?
[12:25] <ompaul> Myrtti, it is a point we need to haxor gnome
[12:25] <ompaul> Nafallo, you is korrect (the kde version of correct just kooler)
[12:26] <LjL> oh quit it that was old when you were young
[12:26] <ompaul> LjL, :)
[12:26] <Myrtti> you're just bunch of old, grumpy, non-Fins.
[12:26] <Myrtti> Finns
[12:27] <LjL> perkele!
[12:27] <Myrtti> kippis, said she, and gulped coffee.
[12:28] <ompaul> Nafallo, I give you an extra eye and you throw it away - what are we do to with you, banna dig så hårt ?
[12:28] <ompaul> ;-)
[12:28] <Myrtti> ompaul: NAUGHTY!
[12:28] <LjL> ja, röj upp våran kanal!
[12:28] <ompaul> Myrtti, I am too
[12:29] <Myrtti> um.
[12:29] <ompaul> Jag vill berätta för dig, att jag känner en bott
[12:29] <Myrtti> just a thought
[12:29] <ompaul> Myrtti, maybe not that naughty
[12:29] <Myrtti> since the floodbots do such a good work with mibbit
[12:29]  * ompaul buys Nafallo a coffee
[12:29] <Myrtti> does mibbit support linkyclicks?
[12:30] <LjL> Myrtti: believe so, couldn't swear on it
[12:30] <LjL> will try
[12:32] <LjL> Myrtti: yes
[12:33] <Myrtti> just a thought then
[12:33] <Myrtti> I know that floodbots can watch over only one channel at a time
[12:33] <Myrtti> but what if - and this is just me speaking aloud my idea
[12:33] <LjL> yes, they're pretty hard-coded that way
[12:34] <Myrtti> what if #kubuntu were given their own set of floodbots - and a link to mibbit and a guide how to join #kubuntu and #ubuntu with it were put someplace?
[12:35] <Myrtti> that way - linkyclicks would work - people wouldn't have to install clients they'll hardly ever use again etc.
[12:35] <LjL> Myrtti: perhaps, but can't possibly mibbit just be allowed in #kubuntu? is there enough traffic that it'd likely be a problem?
[12:35] <jpds> ompaul: bug #263259 filed.
[12:35] <Myrtti> I don't know
[12:35] <Nafallo> meeh
[12:35] <Nafallo> haven't slept yet!
[12:35]  * Myrtti slaps Nafallo
[12:35]  * Myrtti points bed
[12:36] <Myrtti> :->
[12:36] <LjL> Myrtti: for that matter, it probably doesn't need a new set of bots, as that specific feature can likely be hacked in for #kubuntu without the rest of the features being in place
[12:36] <Nafallo> Myrtti: taking to lovely girl
[12:36] <Nafallo> Myrtti: so no.
[12:37] <LjL> Myrtti: of course though, if a need is felt for the whole floodbot shebang in #k, it could be done. i've already got a bot in #ubuntu-it, it can't be any harder than that (no translations to be done for a start)
[12:37] <LjL> but i'm not sure they'd be all thrilled by the enter-muting, for a start...
[12:37] <Myrtti> I don't know about the need for them in #k so I don't know
[12:37] <Myrtti> but the autoban mibbit users for flooding...
[12:38]  * Myrtti shrugs
[12:38] <Myrtti> only a thought
[12:38] <LjL> wait, autoban mibbit users for flooding? i'm not following you now
[12:38] <Myrtti> @bansearch numbers
[12:38] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[12:39] <LjL> Myrtti: in any case, the #kubuntu mibbit behavior is broken, as it points to #ubuntu-proxy-users too, and then the bot says you can try again joining #ubuntu, which is not what you had joined in the first place
[12:39] <LjL> so that should be fixed one way or another
[12:40]  * LjL doesn't feel like installing chatzilla...
[12:40]  * Myrtti wants more coffee
[12:40] <LjL> it's part of a web browser, dammit, it has to support channel links
[12:40] <LjL> #channel
[12:41] <Myrtti> it does
[12:41] <LjL-KsIRC> ksirc - no
[12:41] <Myrtti> I think
[12:41] <Myrtti> was one of the first ones that did it
[12:41] <Myrtti> well, atleast it supports irc://#ubuntu or something
[12:42] <LjL-Kopete> kopete - treats as link, but doesn't join anything
[12:42] <Myrtti> konversation?
[12:42] <LjL> konversation does
[12:42] <Myrtti> ok
[12:42] <LjL-LostIRC> lostirc - no
[12:42] <Myrtti> I always thought you were a gnome user, but no matter
[12:42] <LjL> me? never.
[12:42] <jrib> weechat!
[12:43] <LjL-Xchat> xchat - right click
[12:43] <LjL-KvIRC> kvirc - yes
[12:43] <LjL> jrib, if you're using weechat, you know how to join a channel to begin with
[12:44] <LjL> i guess i should try chatzilla, there's plenty of people using it, sigh
[12:44] <LjL> actually, i guess i'll do something non-orthodox
[12:45] <jrib> uh oh
[12:52] <LjL> idiot, i forgot that /quit doesn't wait for server queue in konv
[12:58] <LjL> well i've added instructions to right-click for !it, let's just see how that works out for now
[12:58] <LjL> !it
[13:38] <ompaul> how do you spell timeout
[13:38]  * ompaul grins
[13:39] <LjL> ompaul: tango india mike echo oscar uniform tango
[13:40] <ompaul> roger
[13:41] <Myrtti> pee aa äs äs ii ään gee  ooo uu tee, hm?
[13:41] <Myrtti> :-þ
[13:41] <LjL> Myrtti: it's disconnections we're talking about, not fatalities...
[13:42] <Myrtti> but, it is a timeout of sorts
[13:42] <Myrtti> having too much Bass and fall asleep under the table
[13:42] <LjL> and conversely, disconnecting is always a bit like dying
[13:43] <Dave2> Big Mouth Billy Bass?
[13:46]  * Myrtti larts Dave2
[13:46] <Myrtti> http://www.bass.com/
[13:46] <Dave2> Damn, I forgot to hit enter on "/me flees to go and cook some breakfast"
[13:47] <Myrtti> FAIL
[14:38] <ompaul> Daviey, you about?
[15:14] <elkbuntu> LjL, how to remove or whitelist 'ubuntu' from the floodbots exploit quarantine?
[15:16] <Daviey> ompaul: o/
[15:16] <ompaul> Daviey, ding pm
[15:16] <Daviey> k
[15:17] <LjL> elkbuntu, can't whitelist, but you can remove the ban, who cares about it staying in the quarantine...
[15:18] <elkbuntu> LjL, right. how?
[15:18] <elkbuntu> i dont have a floodbot drivers licence yet
[15:18] <LjL> elkbuntu: how...? you just remove the ban on him
[15:19] <LjL> which is not there in the first place, hopefully
[15:19] <elkbuntu> ok, so it wont mess the bots up?
[15:19] <LjL> elkbuntu: nah, they'll just keep mentioning him in -read-topic, but again who cares
[15:20] <LjL> they'll stop after two weeks anyway
[15:20] <elkbuntu> ah ok
[15:20] <elkbuntu> see, i didnt even know this
[15:20] <LjL> elkbuntu: if someone doesn't join -proxy-users for two weeks, their quarantine times out
[15:21] <LjL> elkbuntu: so all that will happen is that you'll see a floodbot doing a redundant -b ubuntu!*@* in two weeks
[15:21] <elkbuntu> fair enough
[15:22] <elkbuntu> now that they're all gatekeepers?
[15:22] <LjL> elkbuntu: generally speaking, when unsure, do as if the floodbots didn't exist, as that's the failsafe rule i tried to keep in mind
[15:22] <LjL> elkbuntu: gatekeepers?
[15:22] <LjL> elkbuntu: wait, i kept mentioning -proxy-users but it's -read-topic i'm talking about
[15:23] <elkbuntu> LjL, they can all do everything the same now though?
[15:23] <elkbuntu> it's not just floodbot1 we have to keep opped?
[15:23] <LjL> elkbuntu: yes (they always did, except for the -proxy-users [this time i have it right] thing, which was because last time the other two bots were updated, that feature was considered unsafe)
[15:24] <LjL> elkbuntu: except that floodbot1 is the only one that talks in some situations
[15:24] <elkbuntu> aha. so we still need to favour it?
[15:25] <LjL> elkbuntu: no, they're all equal in #ubuntu, it's only about secondary things like some debug messages in -monitor, and the message to people in -proxy-users, and such
[15:25] <LjL> all instances where it doesn't matter which bot is opped in #u
[15:25] <elkbuntu> k, cool
[15:27] <Myrtti> ubuntu has been on the victim list for well over two weeks
[15:27] <LjL> elkbuntu: the only thing is that now if all bots happen to be opped at the same time when someone joins proxy-users, they'll spam three +e's rather than just one
[15:28] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, because it keeps getting hit, i assume
[15:28] <elkbuntu> or siphoned into the channel
[15:28] <LjL> or because it doesn't just look for people in -read-topic, but also people in #ubuntu... in which case, that's not right
[15:30] <LjL> uhm but no, it does only trigger when the quarantine channel is joined...
[15:31] <elkbuntu> anyway, it's well past my bedtime. i wake in 6hrs.
[15:31] <elkbuntu> cyas
[15:31] <LjL> night
[15:33] <Myrtti> tata
[15:33] <LjL> that's completely not right, i don't have an "ubuntu" joining -read-topic since february
[15:36] <LjL> oooh it's when they quit irc
[15:36] <LjL> hmm now why had i put that there?
[15:50] <LjL> random idea for floodbots gimmick - monitoring ubuntu.com, help., packages., archive. and any other important sites for downtime, and putting any in the topic
[15:53] <ompaul> topic them
[15:53] <ompaul> hmm
[15:53] <ompaul>  !bottopic foo etc
[15:53] <ompaul> :)
[15:54] <jrib> and then can we have them yell READ THE TOPIC if someone asks whether one of those sites is up?
[15:54] <LjL> jrib: sure!
[16:13]  * Myrtti huggles Mez
[16:13] <Myrtti> wb
[16:13]  * Mez huggles back
[16:13] <Mez> ty
[16:13] <Mez> I had to reboot ym server... forgot to start ctrlproxy agian
[16:14] <Myrtti> hm, true, I should reboot my home server
[16:19] <bazhang> oi
[16:22] <Myrtti> whut
[16:23] <bazhang> -br user wanting to say 'oi' to us all
[16:23] <LjL> this nifty chanserv stack, topicappend and topicprepend, it doesn't have a pop operation as well....?
[16:24] <Myrtti> uf
[16:24] <Myrtti> damn I need to vacuum more often here
[16:25] <Myrtti> had to reconnect the headless homeserver to a keyboard and display so I can type the encryption passwords >__<
[16:27] <Mez> KFM switch?
[16:28] <Myrtti> why bother
[16:30] <Mez> KVM *
[16:34] <Myrtti> I had 70 days uptime
[16:34] <Myrtti> woo.
[16:48] <PriceChild> ubottu: sound
[16:54]  * Myrtti cries
[16:54] <Myrtti> he is sweet, but OH so annoying
[16:54] <bazhang> minus the sweet
[16:55]  * Myrtti screams
[16:56] <Myrtti> MY BRAIN HURTS
[16:58] <Myrtti> I see idiocy in three languages. the PAIN
[17:03] <bazhang> why will no one read any links :(
[17:04] <jpds> My brains hurts too, python-launchpadlib is more broken than Hurd
[17:21]  * jpds looks at #kubuntu.
[17:23]  * Myrtti refuses to look at #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:25] <bazhang> mehmet in #k looks like trouble
[17:26] <jpds> bazhang: Some people are just clueless.
[17:31] <bazhang> he is not clueless.
[17:45] <bazhang> asmajala is our old friend manuelperez
[17:49] <jpds> bazhang: http://paste.ubuntu.com/42204/
[17:51] <bazhang> jpds, he can speak english, and is already in ubuntu-es; we had this trouble last week in #u and #k with him.
[18:04] <ompaul> bazhang, white_eagle had a ban before iirc
[18:04] <bazhang> he did indeed ompaul both in #u and -ot
[18:04] <ompaul> my memories are not good
[18:05]  * ompaul goes back to working on SFD
[18:05] <bazhang> he left me with some bad ones too
[18:47] <ompaul> I asked the domain squatter what did they want for softwarefreedomday.com and they said 500 US I thought I can do a lot more for Free Software with 500 than give it to a squatter
[18:47] <ompaul> so I more or less told them 50 USD or no deal but they have to work that out
[18:48] <ompaul> they are paying 6-10 dollars a year
[18:48] <ompaul> for it
[18:48] <ompaul> so let them pay
[19:01] <Myrtti> omg I've not had this much fun watching an IRC channel for a long long time
[19:01] <Myrtti> too bad very few of you can share the fun
[19:01] <Myrtti> heated discussion about oil prices and energy and traveling expenses going at -se :-D
[19:02] <Myrtti> great fun
[19:58] <Myrtti> is Azamat a bot?
[19:58] <Flannel> Not yet
[19:58]  * Myrtti tests
[20:00] <Myrtti> he is not, but is trying something that I'm not too happy about
[20:02] <Flannel> Trying to get ops in channel?
[20:02] <Myrtti> either that or alerting us
[20:05] <Flannel> psh
[20:05] <Flannel> so trigger happy when not necessary
[20:05] <Myrtti> mute would've sufficed
[20:05] <Myrtti> I think
[20:05] <Myrtti> talking of which
[20:08] <Flannel> Myrtti: kick to show him we mean business, he's not troublesome enough with enough frequency for a mute to be effective without it being around for a while
[20:09] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[20:10] <Myrtti> wth
[20:10] <Myrtti> lumm!?=*@*.servergirl.net!#ubuntu-ops  on #ubuntu-offtopic in Bantracker...
[20:10] <Myrtti> but not in /bans
[20:11] <Flannel> Floodbots missed the unban then
[20:11] <Flannel> or, something else fun.
[20:11] <Flannel> if you set it -b it should be good enough for FB, and wont hurt the channel
[20:34]  * Myrtti pokes Nafallo with https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-nordic/+members
[20:36] <ikonia> @bansearch necrolancer
[20:44] <LjL> what does floodbot have to do with unbans...?
[20:44] <Flannel> LjL: I meant ubottu, go away :P
[20:45] <Myrtti> SHUUUNN
[20:45] <Flannel> That does explain why "floodbot" was so awkward to type
[20:45] <Myrtti> shun the non believer
[20:45] <LjL> and talking about trigger happiness...
[20:45] <Myrtti> POIT!
[20:46] <Myrtti> NNNARF!
[20:46] <LjL> Myrtti: too much coffee again?
[20:46] <Myrtti> yup
[20:46] <LjL> i see
[20:46] <Myrtti> and bored to pieces
[20:47] <Myrtti> but emacs is full of love
[20:47] <LjL> well, i'll fix that by going get a cuba libre
[20:47] <LjL> emacs is not all there is to life
[20:47] <LjL> seriously
[20:49] <Myrtti> but it does my python so nicely
[21:26]  * Myrtti sips her strawberry milk and enjoys ♥
[21:49] <Dave2> enjoying heart, eh?
[21:49] <Myrtti> yours om nom nom
[21:49] <Dave2> ...</23 minutes late>
[21:49] <Dave2> Mine's defective, I wouldn't eat it.
[21:49] <Dave2> That, and one of the valves isn't even mine.
[21:50] <Myrtti> but the strawberry milk was delish
[22:34] <Flannel> sigh wols.
[22:51] <Myrtti> !pida
[22:51] <Myrtti> !info pida
[22:51] <Myrtti> Mez: ^
[22:54] <Flannel> Myrtti: -ot might use your lovely presence
[22:56] <Myrtti> Flannel: who should I shoot?
[22:57] <Flannel> Myrtti: HS would be the one
[22:58] <Mez> Myrtti, try Komodo Edit.. manual install, but VERY nice IDE
[22:59] <Myrtti> Mez: but PIDA is full of emacs/vim goodness!
[23:00] <Mez> so is komodo... it uses things that feel like emacs shortcuts anyways
[23:00] <Myrtti> Mez: but pida *has* emacs in it.
[23:01] <Myrtti> (and is this a silly discussion or what?)
[23:01]  * Myrtti blinks
[23:01] <Mez> ^K ^G for example...
[23:01] <Mez> (goto definition)
[23:01] <Mez> #(most useful feature ever)
[23:05] <Myrtti> see!
[23:05] <Myrtti> emacs wins
[23:06] <Myrtti> idiot totally distracted from racist bull at -ot with the power of emacs!
[23:06] <Myrtti> WIN!
[23:07] <Flannel> eh, hes still being stupid though.
[23:07] <Flannel> although, I supppose less-offensive stupidity
[23:07] <Flannel> sigh.
[23:07] <Flannel> looks like forums get to deal with him now
[23:09]  * Myrtti laughs out loud
[23:09] <Myrtti> oh dear
[23:11] <Myrtti> that was funny
[23:20] <ompaul> watch white_eagle if he comes back to #ubuntu
[23:20] <ompaul> cheers


[00:41] <ubotu> New bug: #209570 in bzr "http cannot tunnel smart protocol (dup-of: 207558)" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209570
[00:58] <sachetto> join #ubuntu-br-tradutores
[00:58] <sachetto> oops
[02:21] <slangasek> hi, it seems I'm not able to mark bugs (or at least, one particular bug) as 'fix released' in launchpad: bug #217254, OOPS-837A174 ?
[02:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217254 in open-vm-tools "open-vm-tools is an alpha quality release" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217254
[02:21] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/837A174
[02:22] <slangasek> ...ah, because in the time between I loaded the page and submitted the form, it was marked as targetted to a release
[03:14] <poolie> mpt, thanks very much for your review of the branch page
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> other then commit to a branch, is there something i need to do to subsribe to it?
[04:08] <mwhudson> yes, there's a 'subscribe' item in the actions portlet
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks, i'll try and find it
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> got it, cheers :)
[04:12] <mwhudson> :)
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> what time does launchpad generate the karma stats ? i thought it was midnight utc, but its happened in the last 30 minutes
[08:09] <carlos> morning
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #218066 in malone/1.2 "Associate e-mail replies to imported comments with the bug watch" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218066
[08:46] <mdke> bzr commits seem to be really slow still - I'm pushing a very small change, and it has been over 5 minutes, I think
[08:46] <mdke> FTR i'm pushing to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if it helps anyone diagnose
[08:48] <jamesh> mdke: any difference in the branch types?
[08:48] <jamesh> and what version of bzr?
[08:50] <mdke> jamesh: 1.3 from my end. branch format is dirstate-with-subtree - i'm aware that this is a slow format, but it has always been quite nippy in the past. But recently it has been very slow
[08:51] <mdke> jamesh: actually, on checking = 1.4rc
[08:51] <jamesh> mdke: okay.  There is some speed regressions with knit-to-pack pushes with 1.4rc1
[08:51] <jamesh> mdke: that's why I was suggesting you check the branch formats at both the local and remote ends
[08:52] <mdke> jamesh: ah, that's the problem. it's a pack-to-knit push
[08:52] <mdke> I forgot I had upgraded on my end
[08:53] <mdke> jamesh: thanks
[08:53] <jamesh> mdke: so there are two things you can try: (1) downgrade to bzr-1.3.1 or (2) upgrade the remote end
[08:54] <mdke> jamesh: I'm planning on doing (2) after we have got the release out the way, so shortly
[08:54] <jamesh> for (2), I'd suggest using lftp to do a recursive delete of the .bzr directory via SFTP and then push your pack version
[08:54] <jamesh> upgrade over the net is slow
[08:54] <mdke> jamesh: lifeless advised me to do it from a datacentre computer, I can do it from doc.ubuntu.com
[08:54] <mdke> is that relatively reliable, if I use upgrade?
[08:55] <jamesh> mdke: I've done the delete-then-push method for a few of my branches
[08:55] <jamesh> mdke: an upgrade over the net effectively requires bzr to download everything off the remote end and then write back the new version
[08:56] <mdke> jamesh: ok. I might have to ask you to walk me through that when the time comes, if you don't mind
[08:56] <jamesh> mdke: doing an upgrade over the net from the datacentre is better because the latency won't hit you as hard
[08:56] <mdke> ah
[08:57] <jamesh> but if you've already got the branch data locally, delete-then-push is likely to be faster
[08:57] <jamesh> and less traffic
[08:57] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:57] <mdke> jamesh: I see, thanks. I have to run now, I'm late for work
[08:58] <mdke> as usual :(
[08:58] <mdke> morning mpt
[08:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> mpt, morning
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #218080 in malone "no information about the date when a attachment was added in /+text view" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218080
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #218084 in soyuz "on bug page, show if PPA upload fixes the bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218084
[09:15] <cprov> that's a good idea.
[11:15] <rzr> hi
[11:15] <rzr> probally issue w/ ntp server
[11:15] <rzr> 16 Apr 10:09:00 ntpdate[999]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[11:15] <rzr> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13503014/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.tuxguitar-snapshot_0.0.20080401-0ubuntu0%7Eppa84_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[11:16] <elmo> rzr: what PPA is that from?
[11:16] <rzr> mine
[11:16] <rzr> https://launchpad.net/~rzr/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[11:23] <elmo> rZr: do you know which buildd that happened on?
[11:24] <Fujitsu> ppa84. Wow.
[12:14] <infinito> hello
[12:14] <infinito> has anyone here experience with PPA? i have some doubts...
[12:14] <artfwo> yes, I've been actively using it recently
[12:14] <Fujitsu> !ask
[12:14] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[12:15] <infinito> i wuold like to know how to upoad packages frmo the same upstream version but for differenet ubuntu versions
[12:16] <Fujitsu> What issues do you have with it?
[12:16] <infinito> Fujitsu: i just don't know how to do it, i mean, just changing the target dist on changelog doesn't work
[12:17] <Fujitsu> Oh. Different Ubuntu *releases*, like Gutsy, Hardy?
[12:17] <infinito> may i add something to version? something like app-0.5-0ubuntu1~ppa1~gutsy or semthing like thtat?
[12:17] <infinito> Fujitsu: yes, different releases
[12:17] <infinito> sorry
[12:17] <Fujitsu> Append ~gutsy1, and change the distribution in the changelog.
[12:17] <artfwo> i guess releases should be specified in the changelog, not?
[12:19] <infinito> Fujitsu: so something like 0.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa~gutsy1 is correct?
[12:20] <Fujitsu> ~ppa1~gutsy1, perhaps.
[12:21] <infinito> Fujitsu: ummm maybe (0.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1~gutsy is better? so next ppa version for gutsy should be (0.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa2~gutsy
[12:21] <Fujitsu> The standard is ~releaseX.
[12:21] <Fujitsu> As you might need to make another source change for the backport.
[12:21] <infinito> Fujitsu: ok
[12:21] <infinito> one more question
[12:22] <infinito> the dependencies versions are handled automatically?
[12:22] <artfwo> what about using only ~ppaX withouth ~releaseX?
[12:22] <Fujitsu> artfwo: One must change the version.
[12:24] <artfwo> Fujitsu: I meant, is this also considered standard?
[12:24] <Fujitsu> That would be for an upload for the latest release, yes.
[12:24] <artfwo> thanks :)
[12:26] <infinito> Fujitsu: but thinking in the future, is not better to add the ~releaseX for every upload?
[12:26] <Fujitsu> Quite possibly so.
[12:27] <Fujitsu> Particularly at this stage.
[12:27] <infinito> Fujitsu: and what about the deps? should i change the control file for every release?
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Why would you do that?
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Which deps?
[12:29] <artfwo> build-deps
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Why do you need to?
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Why are they so versioned?
[12:29] <infinito> Fujitsu: because build-deps for hardy are not the same versions as gutsy
[12:30] <Fujitsu> Why are you build-depending on such strict versions?
[12:33] <infinito> Fujitsu: i've always thought that it was important to have something like "Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.38), cdbs (>= 0.4.49)"
[12:34] <infinito> instead of this without versions
[12:40] <Fujitsu> infinito: Only if you use features only in that version.
[15:00] <fta> is ppa.launchpad.net dead ?
[15:00] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7198/
[15:01] <fta> from http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13505477/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.miro_1.5~svn20080415r6733-0ubuntu1~fta1_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz
[15:01] <cprov> fta: it works from here.
[15:01] <fta> same on amd64: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13505478/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-amd64.miro_1.5~svn20080415r6733-0ubuntu1~fta1_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz
[15:01] <fta> since yesterday
[15:04] <cprov> fta: have you retried them recently ?
[15:04] <fta> yes
[15:05] <fta> few minutes ago
[15:05] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[15:55] <ubotu> New bug: #218224 in launchpad "Making N changes to preferred languages produces N informational alerts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218224
[16:01] <fta> cprov, so, what should I do ? retry once again ?
[16:02] <cprov> fta: I've asked IS, but no answer yet. Keep retrying if you want.
[16:05] <ubotu> New bug: #218228 in malone "Attachment form is distracting on bug-reporting page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218228
[16:11] <cprov> fta: please, retry the build now, it will work.
[16:12] <fta> cprov, ok, done.
[16:20] <jcastro> cprov: you interested in PPA talks for ubuntu openweek?
[16:21] <cprov> jcastro: yes, I could do a session.
[16:21] <jcastro> cprov: awesome
[16:26] <Hobbsee> ooh, mroe sessions
[16:39] <cprov> fta: did it work ?
[16:40] <fta> let me check...
[16:40] <fta> cprov, yes! thanks
[16:40] <cprov> fta: great, thanks for pointing it.
[16:43] <fta> cprov, no problem. btw, it would be nice to get an email if it still fails after n automatic retries so users would notice
[16:44] <cprov> fta: you get a email on every failure, no ?
[16:44] <fta> no
[16:44] <fta> just for FTBFS, not for MANUALDEPWAIT
[16:45] <fta> cprov, ^^
[16:46] <cprov> uhm, right.
[16:46] <cprov> fta: could you please file a bug about it ?
[16:46] <fta> yep, which project ?
[17:04] <komputes> Does anyone know how to view all code revisions, not just the last 10?
[17:06]  * soren likes the new /+archive page
[17:21] <ubotu> New bug: #218252 in launchpad "Can only view 10 recent revisions of code" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218252
[17:24] <fta> cprov, bug 218261
[17:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218261 in soyuz "uploaders should get emails/notifications for packages in depwait mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218261
[17:24] <cprov> fta: thanks
[17:31] <ubotu> New bug: #218261 in soyuz "uploaders should get emails/notifications for packages in depwait mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218261
[17:59] <rZr> elmo: i am back it's seems to be fixed isnt it ?
[18:00] <elmo> RzR: err, sure, it was only ever a transient failure
[18:00] <elmo> RzR: if you're still seeing it, I need to know on which buildd
[18:00] <elmo> but it really shouldn't happen anymore
[18:00] <RzR> ok
[18:00] <ubotu> New bug: #218273 in launchpad-buildd "Can't write average time/space when build is done" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218273
[18:01] <ubotu> New bug: #218271 in blueprint "Dependencies between more than one project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218271
[18:02] <ubotu> New bug: #218272 in blueprint "Allow blueprints to be registered on more than one project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218272
[18:26] <ubotu> New bug: #218285 in launchpad "Long team memberships cause the mugshot page to take forever or cause browsers to lock up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218285
[18:37] <nand> hi!
[18:38] <nand> Anyone also having a "This team's mailing list will be available within a few minutes." since a week?
[18:38]  * nand wonders if this was related to bug 215118
[18:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215118 in launchpad "Odd mailing list resync behavior" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215118 - Assigned to Barry Warsaw (barry)
[18:42] <barry> nand: it's related, but really bug 198368 is blocking this right now
[18:42] <ubotu> Bug 198368 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/198368 is private
[18:43] <nand> barry: ok thanks for the info! No need to fill a bug then I guess
[18:43] <barry> nand: the fix for that has been committed and we're just waiting for approval to roll it out.  i expect to happen today or tomorrow
[18:43] <barry> nand: nope.  once that bug fix is released, all pending mailing lists should magically appear :)
[18:44] <nand> barry: Ok thanks :) I'll keep you in touch
[18:44] <barry> nand: thanks!
[19:08] <ubotu> New bug: #28682 in malone "Filing a bug: source package doesnt exist, suggestion list doesn't accept input" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28682
[19:55] <sidnei> niemeyer: ping?
[20:15] <niemeyer> sidnei: Heya!
[20:16] <sidnei> niemeyer: not going to fisl, are you?
[20:16] <niemeyer> sidnei: Unfortunately not :(
[20:16] <sidnei> too bad :(
[20:16] <niemeyer> sidnei: Yeah.. I'd really enjoy to see you guys there
[20:17] <niemeyer> sidnei: How're things going? Lots of plone-related hacking?
[20:18] <sidnei> niemeyer: so so, mostly fixing upgrade issues, we (enfold) are about 6 months late with our releases due to that
[20:18] <sidnei> plone 3.1 is about to come out and we haven't made a release of a 3.0-based enfold server yet!
[20:20] <niemeyer> sidnei: You mean upgrades of applications you're in charge of from Plone 3.0 to 3.1, or of the custom changes you have on top of Plone?
[20:21] <sidnei> niemeyer: actually plone's own upgrades were messed up
[20:22] <niemeyer> sidnei: Uh oh.. sounds painful
[20:22] <sidnei> i can't describe how bad it is
[21:51] <nand> barry: The mailing list just went live! thanks!
[21:51] <barry> nand: yes, we're psyched!  btw, did you get a notification with a bogus host name in its subscription link?
[21:52] <nand> barry: yes, indeed.
[21:52] <barry> nand: :(  i was afraid of that
[21:52] <nand> barry: want the URL?
[21:52] <barry> nand: okay, thanks.  we're working on that.  but your mailing list should still be working.  can you give it a try?
[21:52] <barry> nand: naw, we all got them too ;)
[21:52] <nand> barry: I just subscribed, seems okay
[21:53] <barry> nand: cool.  try sending the list a message and see if it shows up in your archive
[21:53] <nand><EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[21:53] <barry> nand<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:54] <barry> nand: were did the wrong host name (gangotri) show up?
[21:54] <nand> barry: https://launchpad.net/~brainstorm-dev/+contactaddress
[21:54] <barry> nand: i'm not authorized to see that page unfortunately
[21:55] <barry> nand: but i'll take your word for it
[21:55] <nand> "E-mail notifications for this team should go to:" [x] "The Launchpad mailing list for this team -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:55] <barry> nand: are you on edge?
[21:56] <nand> barry: no.
[21:56] <barry> nand: okay, thanks
[21:56] <barry> nand: i appreciate the feedback.  would it be okay to ping you again later if i have more questions?
[21:56] <ubotu> New bug: #218384 in malone "OOPS processing Mantis bugwatches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218384
[21:57] <nand> barry: Unfortunately I'll go to sleep soonish. But whenever you want after, yes.
[21:57] <barry> nand: cool, thanks
[21:58] <nand> barry: Have to go, see ya.
[21:58] <barry> nand: see ya
[22:23] <TeTeT> barry: as you're online, just got a mail for a mailing list pointing to https://xmlrpc.lp.internal/~tspindler/+editemails
[22:23] <TeTeT> barry: maybe a known problem?
[22:24] <barry> TeTeT: known problem, we're working on it!
[22:24] <TeTeT> barry: ok, good luck
[22:24] <barry> TeTeT: thanks ;)
[23:36] <ubotu> New bug: #218429 in launchpad "OpenID What's This?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218429
[23:37] <LaserJock> barry: so are we supposed to ignore those emails?
[23:51] <barry> LaserJock: the emails mean the mailing list is live (yay), but the urls are wrong (boo), but we have a fix working its way through that will fix them (yay) but no second notification will be sent (yay or boo :)
[23:52] <LaserJock> barry: but I'm already a member of the list I got an email for
[23:52] <barry> LaserJock: was the list live and working before you got that email?
[23:52] <LaserJock> yeah
[23:52] <LaserJock> we've been using it for weeks
[23:53] <LaserJock> Rinchen: did you get one?
[23:53] <barry> LaserJock: ok, thanks.  you can ignore it, but definitely let me know if you ever get it again for that list.
[23:53] <LaserJock> barry: k, I wasn't sure what I was supposed to do with it but I figured I could ignore it
[23:53] <LaserJock> barry: just wanted to make sure it wasn't a bug
[23:54] <barry> LaserJock: thanks, i appreciate the feedback!
[23:56] <Rinchen> barry, I'm sending out an email to -users
[23:56] <Rinchen> be out in a few minutes...just checking my urls work
[23:56] <barry> Rinchen: cool.  note that we still have two patches to cp before everything should be working normally


[11:20] <nthykier> JamesPage: hey, I uploaded japitools to experimental just now (as I recall you had an Ubuntu patch forwarded for it)
[11:21] <JamesPage> nthykier: thanks - I'll raise a manual sync request in Ubuntu once its got to unstable; how long would it normally take to make it to unstable?
[11:22] <nthykier> JamesPage: I uploaded it to experimental to avoid interfering with the current freeze, so it will not be moved to unstable until after Squeeze is released
[11:23] <nthykier> But it has to be done manually (there is no auto migration like there is from unstable to testing)
[11:23] <JamesPage> nthykier: OK I'll keep an eye on it and sync when that happens.


[01:03] <LMessi10__> Hello everyone, I have a question. I have a not so new netbook, it is 1.6GHz and 2MB of RAM with HD of 140GB... it is currently with Windows XP, but I was thinking on switching to Linux. Do you guys think Xubuntu 13.04 will have a better performance on it? Or should I stick with XP or maybe a different version of Linux? Thanks,
[01:05] <Viva_Nero> I've ran it on lower spec systems and it puts xp pro to shame
[01:06] <knome> LMessi10__, just make sure you can run a PAE-enabled kernel if you're about to instlal 13.04
[01:06] <knome> !pae
[01:06] <knome> hmm, that was less than helpful
[01:09] <LMessi10__> nice, I gave a try on Linux running together with Windows, looked kind of nice, so I was thinking of formating and installing just Xubuntu on it. Also, which one is the most lightweight web browser for Linux? anyone you guys would recommend outside of Chrome/Firefox?
[01:09] <Unit193> Xombrero. :D
[01:11] <LMessi10__> oh, I never heard about it, I'll search for it. Is it really nice?
[01:12] <Unit193> Well, slight crashing issue at times, but less so on the other computer.  Very keyboard based.  Another browser was some nice modified webkit one, can't remember the name and not in repos.
[01:15] <LMessi10__> Unit193, found the xombrero here... will give it a try.
[01:16] <LMessi10__> Unit193, is there another way to install this browser other than command line? I followed these steps and after the command "make" it failed: https://opensource.conformal.com/wiki/xombrero_linux
[01:18] <Unit193> LMessi10__: There is no official package in the Ubuntu or Debian repos, you either have to compile it yourself, or use an untrusted repo.
[01:21] <LMessi10__> Unit193, oh, that's disappointing. I'll try to understand what went wrong... but since I'm new with this don't know if I'll make it... well.. thanks man!
[01:22] <knome> LMessi10__, if you are building packages, you'll need to install at least build-essential
[01:24] <LMessi10__> knome: well, apparently I do have this "build-essential", apparently it came with Xubuntu...
[01:24] <knome> hmm, shouldn't be in by default but it's likely something else has pulled it.
[01:25] <Unit193> libwebkitgtk-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, libsoup2.4-dev, libgnutls-dev, libbsd-dev, and maybe imagemagick are needed if you're going to compile the gtk2 version.  (I have an untrusted repo, myself.)
[01:25] <LMessi10__> what went wrong is, when I typed the command "make" it didn't find a few packages:
[01:25] <LMessi10__> No package 'gtk+-3.0' found
[01:25] <LMessi10__> Package webkitgtk-3.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[01:25] <LMessi10__> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `webkitgtk-3.0.pc'
[01:25] <LMessi10__> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[01:25] <LMessi10__> No package 'webkitgtk-3.0' found
[01:25] <knome> !pastebin | LMessi10__
[01:29] <LMessi10__> Unit193, well, I do have all of them, they came with Xubuntu
[01:29] <knome> LMessi10__, you'll also need lib* if you build.
[01:30] <Unit193> ...Xubuntu doesn't come with -dev packages.
[01:31] <LMessi10__> well, maybe while I was trying a few other stuff here I installed them with some packages... but they are all installed
[01:32] <Unit193> And will have to make with GTK_VERSION=gtk2
[01:33] <LMessi10__> hmmm, what is that and how do I install it?
[01:34] <Unit193> export GTK_VERSION=gtk2  then  make
[01:35] <LMessi10__> should I type this in the terminal?
[01:35] <Unit193> Or just try https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/test/+files/xombrero_1.6.3-1%7Eraring1_i386.deb or https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/test/+files/xombrero_1.6.3-1%7Eraring1_amd64.deb in raring.
[01:35] <Unit193> Yes.
[01:37] <Unit193> https://opensource.conformal.com/fluxbb/viewtopic.php?id=975
[01:39] <LMessi10__> Unit193,  hey man, the first link that you sent me worked. Just installed here
[01:40] <LMessi10__> knome, Unit193, thanks guys!
[01:40] <Unit193> Sure.
[01:44] <Viva_Nero> How do I boot into a shell without X starting?
[01:45] <Unit193> In the grub boot prompt, hit 'e' and where it says 'quiet splash' add a 'text' too.
[01:46] <Viva_Nero> and on reboot, edit the command again to remove text?
[01:47] <Unit193> If you edit it at boot time, it'll only be for that boot.
[01:47] <Viva_Nero> mkay, brb again then
[02:07] <Viva_Nero> quiet splash wasn't listed anywhere, text just threw an error and made the boot hang, and the root shell in recovery mode acted really weird
[02:08] <holstein> the shell acted?
[02:08] <knome> Viva_Nero, what is the real thing you are trying to do?
[02:08] <holstein> Viva_Nero: what are you trying to do?
[02:08] <Viva_Nero> is there a way i can just shut down everything x related cleanly after booting nomrally?
[02:08] <holstein> Viva_Nero: why not just get a server install.. or minimal
[02:08] <Viva_Nero> trying to install graphics drivers, and they keep throwing an error because x is running
[02:08] <holstein> !mini
[02:09] <holstein> Viva_Nero: you can use tty to install drivers
[02:09] <Viva_Nero> though i don't remember having to do any of this last time
[02:09] <holstein> Viva_Nero: if you can remember what version of ubuntu you were running last time you could install it.. maybe you would have an easier time with 12.04
[02:10] <knome> Viva_Nero, can't install them with the additional drivers GUI?
[02:10] <Viva_Nero> got them off nvidia's site
[02:10] <knome> Viva_Nero, do you have problems with what is shipped in ubuntu?
[02:11] <Viva_Nero> I've installed thier drivers once, but they're horribly out of date now
[02:11] <Viva_Nero> and what comes with the system never works for me
[02:11] <holstein> Viva_Nero: "out of date" wont matter much
[02:12] <holstein> Viva_Nero: try the ones in the repo, or you will need to seek support where you get the drivers
[02:12] <knome> Viva_Nero, if the proprietary nvidia drivers from the repository work, then use those
[02:12] <holstein> Viva_Nero: in what way do the included ones not work?
[02:12] <knome> Viva_Nero, otherwise you are trying to fix a non-problem
[02:13] <knome> anyway, i got to hit the sack
[02:13] <knome> good night and good luck
[02:13] <holstein> knome: o/
[02:13] <Viva_Nero> the outdate drivers I have aren't working with wine
[02:13] <Viva_Nero> (I just installed wine today)
[02:13] <holstein> Viva_Nero: wine likely wont support what you are trying to do, regardless
[02:14] <holstein> Viva_Nero: wine wont benefit from newer code for your graphics driver, AFAIK
[02:15] <holstein> Viva_Nero: it the card is supported, and working, thats really it.. if you have issues with wine, i would troubleshoot them as such.. issues with wine..
[02:16] <Viva_Nero> Hmm, will the current package install 319.17?
[02:16] <holstein> !ati
[02:16] <holstein> Viva_Nero: ^ i refer to that
[02:16] <holstein> or, i just update the sources, and use the GUI
[02:22] <Viva_Nero> it doesn't say what line to use to shutdown and start x on xubuntu
[02:24] <holstein> Viva_Nero: well, xubuntu is a desktop OS, and its planned that one would just boot it, and run it.. you are tyring to do something quite unique, and arguably necssary
[02:24] <holstein> you should be able to switch to TTY and do what you need to do
[02:25] <holstein> Viva_Nero: i would run the driver in the repos.. your wine issues are not grahpics driver related
[02:29] <Viva_Nero> hmm, the shell isn't letting me stop x
[02:29] <Unit193> sudo service lightdm stop
[02:30] <Viva_Nero> I just tried using that one, it switched from the shell to the gui window
[02:31] <Viva_Nero> and won't let me swtich back
[02:31] <Viva_Nero> *switch
[02:32] <Viva_Nero> and the driver installer is still complaining about x running
[02:33] <holstein> Viva_Nero: the driver from the repos?
[02:34] <Viva_Nero> I had no clue getting the system to run without x was so tricky o_e
[02:35] <holstein> Viva_Nero: just dont install X
[02:35] <holstein> Viva_Nero: i typically just use the GUI to install the proprietar driver, or switch to tty
[02:36] <Viva_Nero> tried starting x, still can't switch back to a shell
[02:37] <holstein> Viva_Nero: i thought you were asking about how to *not* start x?
[02:37] <holstein> Viva_Nero: you are trying to switch via tty?
[02:43] <Steve__> hello im trying to get xubuntu to boot from a flash drive.
[02:43] <Steve__> can anyone help
[02:43] <Steve__> I im on windows 7 now
[02:43] <Unit193> Does your BIOS support it?  Is that Win7 a UEFI system?
[02:43] <Viva_Nero> is it installed on the flash drive and not booting properly, or you want to install it on a flash drive?
[02:43] <Unit193> http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ tried this yet?
[02:44] <Steve__> yes I canged it to boot from USB
[02:44] <Steve__> I do not have it at all
[02:49] <Viva_Nero> So i just installed the nvidia current package
[02:49] <Viva_Nero> but it didn't install new drivers
[02:50] <Viva_Nero> still on 304.88
[02:50] <holstein> Viva_Nero: it'll be adding things to the kernel that require rebooting.. and you'll need to purge whatever you have done so far
[02:51] <Unit193> IIRC, h2 said that the site drivers have issues installing if you've installed from the repos, but could be wrong.
[02:51] <holstein> Viva_Nero: what would i do? i would reinstall since you have a pretty fresh install, and i have literally installed a few operating system while chatting with you... and come here or try the wine channel for the wine issue
[02:52] <Viva_Nero> would the current updates package instead have any effect?
[02:52] <holstein> Viva_Nero: because, they are drastically changing the kernel
[03:01] <aegis8> anyone know why the file manager crashed when I unmount my iphone? It worked just fine a minute ago...
[03:02] <aegis8> now it cant even open the phone to view the files
[03:02] <Viva_Nero> nope, no effect
[03:02] <holstein> aegis8: crashed? sometimes, the light ones close when you unmount
[03:02] <holstein> aegis8: unplug and replug the USB
[03:03] <Viva_Nero> any way to force it to install current drivers?
[03:04] <holstein> Viva_Nero: current? you mean the ones in the repo?
[03:04] <holstein> Viva_Nero: there are unsupported PPA's that add updated drivers... but, that is *not* the issue with wine
[03:05] <aegis8> viva, if your computer has optimus (the ability to switch between integrated graphics and a graphics card), then installing the drivers is a lost cause.
[03:06] <Viva_Nero> the only graphics on my system is the nvidia chipest
[03:06] <aegis8> ok than good luck! I spent about a week with nvidia support only to have them tell me what I told you
[03:07] <Viva_Nero> Ugh, it wasn't this hard to get graphics to work from scratch
[03:07] <Viva_Nero> why is a (seemingly simple) update so much worse?
[03:07] <holstein> Viva_Nero: you mean, to get wine to work.. you said graphics were fine
[03:07] <holstein> Viva_Nero: you updated to packages outside the default repos
[03:08] <holstein> Viva_Nero: and, that will not address the wine issue
[03:09] <Viva_Nero> :T
[03:09] <Viva_Nero> don't know if I ever mentioned, but I'm a laptop with all graphics via an nvidia gpu
[03:10] <holstein> Viva_Nero: i am too
[03:10] <holstein> Viva_Nero: i have one with optiums.. a desktp with nvidia.. i literally install the package from the repos, if i dont want to use the open one
[03:10] <aegis8> the file manager is still trying to mount my phone. There's a spinning icon next to the name of my phone that's been there for ~5 minutes
[03:11] <holstein> aegis8: ? dont wait 5 minutes.. i didnt think iphones mounted as a drive
[03:12] <aegis8> it mounted before (if I am using the term correctly). I could open the files, see my DCIM folder and see all the pictures I had taken, etc.
[03:12] <holstein> aegis8: there is no "should".. only what you can get away with using hardware places its not intended to be used
[03:13] <holstein> !iphone
[03:17] <aegis8> for some reason, my phone was connected in two instances or something. That website mentioned gigolo which I used to disconnect one instance. it works now! thanks!
[03:21] <holstein> aegis8: i like gigolo actually.. and use it routinely as well :)
[03:25] <Viva_Nero> I know a way to crash x, but it's a crapshoot what breaks first- the program crashes, the whole system locks up, or x dies :3
[03:27] <holstein> Viva_Nero: i experience no crashes
[04:03] <ran_> i need help
[04:03] <holstein> ran_: just ask.. if a volunteer can help, they will
[04:07] <ran_> i'm using xubuntu 13.04 and there is a process called /usr/bin/find  / -ignore_readdir_race theat starts up every day and it takes 300MB - 400MB from memory.
[04:08] <ran_> this process is started by user nobody
[04:09] <ran_> sometimes this process starts when there is a system update to download.
[04:13] <ran_> my memory jumps from 280mb at start, to 800mb after this process starting.
[04:14] <ran_> i'm sorry about my english.
[04:15] <Unit193> Looks like /etc/cron.daily/locate
[04:16] <ran_> this is normal?
[04:16] <Viva_Nero> Your English is better than a lot of native speakers I know, you're fine.
[04:16] <ran_> thanks!
[04:46] <jazzdude00021> Hello all... anyone willing to help out with a small internet issue for a new install?
[04:47] <holstein> jazzdude00021: just ask, and a volunteer will help if they can
[04:48] <jazzdude00021> Great thanks... so my NIC works just fine from the Live USB that I'm installing from, but it does not work at all once installed
[04:48] <jazzdude00021> I'm running off the live disk now, waiting for (re)-install to complete...
[04:49] <holstein> jazzdude00021: i might look for and apply upgrades and test... otherwise, the difference could be this.. you download upgrades during the install, and the new kernel doesnt support your networking devices
[04:49] <momodi> hi, everyone. there always is a title bar on chromium, how can I remove it? I'm using Xubuntu 13.04
[04:50] <SunStar> yeah i've been having trouble with USB wifi support in 13.04. running 12.10 as a workaround
[04:50] <jazzdude00021> Alright... if all else fails, I'll keep it offline during install and see if that fixes it
[04:50] <holstein> momodi: in the menu at the top, as i suggested in the other channel "use system title and borders". does that work for you?
[04:50] <jazzdude00021> reboot time... thanks all
[04:50] <SunStar> momodi, press F11?
[04:51] <momodi> It woks,thanks!
[04:52] <ran_> i need help please.
[04:53] <SunStar> well i cant help you untill i know what you need help with?
[04:53] <ran_> i'm using xubuntu 13.04 and there is a process called /usr/bin/find  / -ignore_readdir_race theat starts up every day and it takes 300MB - 400MB from memory.
[04:53] <ran_> this process is started by user nobody.
[04:53] <ran_> sometimes this process starts when there is a system update to download.
[04:53] <ran_> my memory jumps from 280mb at start, to 800mb after this process starting.
[04:54] <ran_> maybe it's memory leak?
[04:57] <momodi> ran_: maybe you should check it's parent process?
[05:01] <ran_> i think it is a parent process, and with it a root process is also runs called  /usr/bin/sort -z -f.
[05:04] <ran_> the problem is that after this process ends, the memory is 400mb more, until i reboot.
[05:04] <momodi> so, you just what the memory back?
[05:05] <ran_> yes.
[05:05] <ran_> i have 4G ram.
[05:06] <momodi> Linux always  uses buffered or cached.
[05:07] <ran_> yes i know, but it only started from 13.04.
[05:08] <ran_> this was not happening before.
[05:10] <ran_> this is why i think that this is memory leak.
[05:10] <ran_> and not buffer cache.
[05:11] <momodi> A memory leak only happens when the program is running.
[05:12] <momodi> the memory should be returned to system when you close the program.
[05:12] <ran_> yes its happen when it runs.
[05:12] <ran_> this is what im talking about. the memory not back.
[05:13] <momodi> then who are taking this memory?
[05:14] <ran_> i want to be clear: the system starts this process automatically.
[05:15] <ran_> the /usr/bin/find  / -ignore_readdir_race process by user nobody starts automatically by the system
[05:15] <momodi> and when the process is done, the memory does not return to the system?
[05:16] <ran_> no. that is the problem im talking about.
[05:17] <momodi> the process find use lots of "hard disk", maybe the system buffered that memory.
[05:18] <momodi> when the process has disk IO, the system will buffer the data to memory.
[05:18] <ran_> yes i know, but the question is it normal.
[05:19] <momodi> then, your memory is back. no memory leak?
[05:20] <momodi> the strange thing is who starts the process "find"?
[05:21] <ran_> it starts by user nobody, and it starts automatically by the system.
[05:21] <ran_> im not start this process manually.
[05:22] <momodi> maybe you should check some scripts, like crontab ?
[05:22] <ran_> where is that script?
[05:23] <momodi> If it is not started by a parent process, it must be started by some scripts.
[05:23] <momodi> you can type : crontab -e
[05:24] <ran_> i want to say also that this process is starting when there is a system update.
[05:24] <momodi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron
[05:25] <momodi> Maybe it's a normal process, we can just ignore it?
[05:26] <ran_> i do think that is a normal process, but its not normal to take 400mb from the system and not back.
[05:27] <ran_> and its interesting the this is happen from 13.04, not before.
[05:28] <momodi> we just talked about it, the system buffers 400mb data because "find" ran
[05:28] <momodi> because "find" reads much disk IO data.
[05:29] <ran_> that why i think that there is something wrong here, maybe a bug or memory leak.
[05:29] <momodi> I don't think it's a memory leak, your buffered memory will be back when the free memory is low.
[05:30] <momodi> Linux system will try to use all your memory to be cached or buffered.
[05:30] <ran_> this is never happened.
[05:31] <ran_> and the system starts to using the swap because of that.
[05:31] <momodi> you can run that command on other Linux system, the memory should also be buffered.
[05:33] <ran_> so you say that this normal? even if this was not happened before 13.04?
[05:33] <momodi> I think the memory problem is normal.
[05:33] <momodi> but why that "find" command runs, it's weird
[05:34] <ran_> it is running when there is a system update notification.
[05:35] <ran_> and at least once in a day.
[05:36] <momodi> I don't have this issue...I'm using xubuntu 13.04
[05:36] <momodi> and I searched this, but find nothing
[05:36] <momodi> https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&gbv=2&q=-ignore_readdir_race&oq=-ignore_readdir_race&gs_l=serp.3...<IP_ADDRESS><IP_ADDRESS>.<IP_ADDRESS>.0..0.0....0...1c..25.serp..0.0.0.PMmiO30-gsk
[05:38] <ran_> ok, thanks for help, i will check this cron script, and i hope this problem will not back in 13.10
[05:39] <momodi> :)
[07:22] <persianmg> Can someone help me
[07:23] <persianmg> pls
[07:23] <TheSheep> !hi | persianmg
[07:24] <persianmg> Hello! I have a broken copy of 12.04 xubuntu on my vmware so im currently installing the new 13.04 on as a new virtual machine
[07:25] <persianmg> Can I get a list of installed packages from the broken install? I only have root command line access, all user accounts/GUI logins are broken
[07:30] <TheSheep> dpkg -l
[07:35] <persianmg> Thank you TheSheep! That did it
[07:35] <persianmg> Anyway I can mass install from this list? Would a shell script that took each package as an argument and fed it to: sudo apt-get install $packagename work?
[07:36] <Unit193> !clone
[07:37] <Unit193> ubottu: lag
[07:37] <Unit193> !clone
[07:37] <Unit193> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude  --display-format '%p'  search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude
[07:37] <Unit193>  --schedule-only install < my-pakages ; sudo aptitude install » (this may cause problems with multiarch before 12.10) - See aelso  !automate
[07:38] <xubuntu599> test
[07:41] <kedgen> When downloading an application that contains its own executable and doesn't require an installation, where do people generally put these applications?
[07:42] <well_laid_lawn> either in /usr/local/bin or ~/bin
[07:42] <well_laid_lawn> I'd generally be sus about an executable like that tho
[07:42] <kedgen> Well one example is Processing
[07:42] <well_laid_lawn> one example of what ?
[07:42] <kedgen> As far as I know there's not an installation process
[07:43] <Unit193> I randomly put scripts and such in ~/junk/, ~/Public/, ~/bin/ and maybe others. :P
[07:43] <kedgen> well_laid_lawn an example of an executable like that that doesn't require an installation
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> what is Processing? never heard of it
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> I'd be sus of it
[07:43] <kedgen> Processing is a really cool graphics programming language
[07:44] <kedgen> processing.org
[07:44] <kedgen> check it out!
[07:44] <well_laid_lawn> c > *
[07:44] <kedgen> Yeah maybe but Processing is a good and easy to learn and use program for graphics programming
[07:45] <kedgen> they are good at different things
[07:45] <kedgen> C is far faster and has many many more possibilities, but it's not better in every single way
[07:45] <well_laid_lawn> there's nothing I can't do with C and a long runup
[07:45] <well_laid_lawn> ;)
[07:45] <kedgen> :)
[07:46] <well_laid_lawn> every new language is supposed to be great, easy and cool. C has been around 50 something years...
[07:47] <well_laid_lawn> roughly
[07:47] <kedgen> Yeah I mean you'll get no argument from me, C is better
[07:47] <kedgen> and faster!
[07:47] <kedgen> much much much much faste
[07:47] <kedgen> r
[07:47]  * TheSheep looks toward #xubuntu-offtopic
[07:47]  * TheSheep rises an eyebrow
[07:48]  * kedgen gets the hint
[11:31] <aguitel> how make more faster xubuntu ? or more light
[11:32] <TheSheep> what do you do on it?
[11:32] <TheSheep> you can make more light by turning your monitor brightness up
[11:33] <aguitel> i installed xubuntu 13.04 ,but is heavy ,
[11:40] <TheSheep> aguitel: what do you mean by "heavy"?
[11:41] <bekks> It has no weight, since you dont feel the electrons.
[11:41] <aguitel> this is old pc
[11:42] <aguitel> i wnat minimal xfce
[11:43] <bekks> Then uninstall everything you dont want/need.
[11:43] <aguitel> but ,how install minimal xfce with ubuntu netinstall ?
[11:44] <bekks> Install xubuntu using netinstall, and uninstall everything you dont want/need.
[11:44] <aguitel> this is no way
[11:45] <bekks> That is the only way.
[11:45] <aguitel> learn debian
[11:45] <bekks> I wont. I am using Ubuntu and I am totally not interested in using Debian.
[11:48] <well_laid_lawn> if you manage what starts it is more the apps you use that make it heavy not the distro
[12:44] <Monkeytoe> I am installing xubuntu onto a desktop ... i7 3930k, 32 gigs of ram & an ocz vertex 3 max iops 240 gig ssd
[12:44] <Monkeytoe> with that much memory should I still be running a swap partition?
[12:44] <bekks> Monkeytoe: Do you want to use suspend?
[12:44] <Monkeytoe> yeah
[12:45] <bekks> Then you need 32.1GB swap.
[12:46] <Monkeytoe> will using swap slow the system down in any way?
[12:46] <bekks> No.
[12:46] <bekks> It will slow it down once your system has to swap. But you have 32GB of RAM.
[12:46] <Monkeytoe> ah
[12:47] <xubuntu078> does any1 know how to install usb wifi on xubuntu?
[12:48] <Monkeytoe> I assume when you say suspend you mean suspend to disk right? I would still be able to sleep the computer and trickle power to the memory right?
[12:48] <Monkeytoe> not enthused about losing so much ssd space to swap
[12:49] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu078: bluntly put, if you plug it in and it works it's fine... otherwise you likely have an incompatible wifi dongle
[12:49] <pmjdebruijn> playing with external wifi drivers isn't much fun at all
[12:49] <xubuntu078> nah it doesnt work
[12:49] <pmjdebruijn> getting a replacement dongle typically is the best approach since they're cheap
[12:50] <xubuntu078> but if i try to install right drivers its showing me some errors
[12:50] <pmjdebruijn> sure it does
[12:50] <pmjdebruijn> external drivers tend to be crap
[12:50] <xubuntu078> damn it
[12:50] <pmjdebruijn> basically in a (half a ) year or so, the dongle will likely be supported out of the box
[12:51] <pmjdebruijn> but until then, you're likely to waste a huge amount of time, surpassing the dongle value many times
[12:51] <pmjdebruijn> that's the blunt truth :)
[12:51] <pmjdebruijn> getting the right hardware will save you a lot of aggravation and time
[12:52] <Monkeytoe> the other question I have... I have a GTX titan... will it work correctly in nix?
[12:52] <pmjdebruijn> generally speaking Intel Graphics tends to work the best
[12:52] <pmjdebruijn> but most nVidia cards can be made to work with a little effort
[12:55] <Monkeytoe> and if I want to use full drive encryption... will not having a swap drive affect that at all?
[12:56] <Monkeytoe> err swap partition
[12:56] <bekks> Without swap, you cant suspend.
[12:58] <Monkeytoe> so roughly im looking about 35 gigs used up from the install then?
[12:58] <Monkeytoe> xubuntu + swap ?
[12:59] <bekks> You will use more than 3GB for xubuntu.
[13:04] <Monkeytoe> k so ive got /dev/sdb1 partitioned ext2 @ 2 gigs.. if I just make a new partition for swap space it complains about the swap partition being unencrypted when I select the rest of the space for encryption... so I assume I have to make two separate volumes for encryption... one for swap one for / ?
[13:06] <Monkeytoe> or is there a way in the xubuntu installer to add lvms in the encrypted partition?
[13:06] <bekks> You dont need 2G for sdb1.
[13:07] <Monkeytoe> am wanting space for at least a second kernel .. shrink to 1g?
[13:07] <bekks> shrink to 512m
[13:08] <bekks> Kernels are not that big.
[13:08] <Monkeytoe> k
[13:10] <Monkeytoe> ext2 the best choice for /boot?
[13:11] <bekks> For me, it is. If you have to ask that question, just use ext4. :)
[13:14] <Monkeytoe> you booting from a usb or something?
[13:14] <bekks> No.
[13:16] <Monkeytoe> ok got my /boot created /deb/sdb1 ext4 512 megs
[13:17] <Monkeytoe> do I just take the rest of the free space and mark it as "physical volume for encryption" ?
[13:17] <bekks> I dont use encryption at all.
[13:17] <bekks> For me, thats just a waste of resources.
[15:27] <b3nw> hi, I noticed on http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ the 12.04 links are not valid
[15:27] <b3nw> specifically the Torrent links for Desktop / Alternate
[15:28] <baizon> knome: ?
[17:00] <gugi> i've installed xubuntu 13.04  but i don't know how to install propietary drivers what can ido
[17:00] <gugi> ?
[17:01] <bekks> Which drivers exactly do you want to install?
[17:01] <Viva_Nero> Have you installed restrcited extras?
[17:01] <gugi> i have amd sempron
[17:02] <holstein> gugi: you might not need any.. that is a CPU, and you dont need any there
[17:02] <bekks> gugi: amd sempron is the CPU. It dont need any drivers.
[17:03] <gugi> well i don't remember what propietary drivers i had but i remember that i had some propietary drivers installed when i had linux mint
[17:03] <bekks> gugi: For which hardware?
[17:04] <gugi> i think nvidia but i don't remember well, linux mint detected my drivers, why xubuntu don't do that?
[17:04] <holstein> gugi: i would say, use the machine, and dont assume you need any drivers at all.. if something is not working, say *exacly* what that something is, and a volunteer can hep you
[17:04] <gugi> ok
[17:04] <holstein> gugi: you dont *need* an nvidia driver, potentially.. though, if you want one, it can be installed
[21:29] <knome> b3nw, torrent links updated. thanks for the heads up.
[22:06] <xubuntu769> Hello.  today there were several updates. Everything seemed fine until it gave me an error, involing software center. Anyone else getting this or is it just me?
[22:07] <SunStar> let me see
[22:08] <SunStar> gonna take 7 minute to download  >_<
[22:09] <bekks> xubuntu769: Without telling us the error - no. :)
[22:11] <xubuntu769> This is what Synaptic tells me, "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/software-center_5.2.9_all.deb: symbolic link '/usr/share/gnome/help/software-center/ne/software-center.xml' size has changed from 61 to 3"
[23:00] <Monkeytoe> Hello, I just installed xubuntu. Firefox is not working right at all.  All the sites look garbled like this. http://postimg.org/image/g0byug07r/
[23:00] <Monkeytoe> I tried uninstalling and reinstalling firefox through ubuntu software center, but that didnt help
[23:01] <Monkeytoe> I also installed chrome to test if it would work right, and chrome works just fine.
[23:02] <Monkeytoe> But I would like to get firefox to work so I can use noscript.
[23:10] <GridCube_> Monkeytoe, you haven't messed with firefox options at all?
[23:11] <GridCube_> you can try to start firefox with a clean new profile, start it like: firefox -ProfileManager