[00:00] <jo-erlend> No! Super+num doesn't work! That's a total dealbreaker. Guess it'll be fixed by release. :)
[00:01] <Pici> I just installed today's image, the upgrade was working really oddly.
[00:02] <jo-erlend> what does that mean?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> how do I re-attach to the oldest Screen session?
[00:03] <rww> BUGabundo: assuming the oldest one is the one screen considers "first", screen -d -RR would do it.
[00:03] <Pici> jo-erlend: it means that I had upgraded to 11.10, but it was acting strangely, so I formated / and installed it there.
[00:03] <BUGabundo> nope
[00:03] <BUGabundo> that's actually the newest rww
[00:03] <rww> fun
[00:04] <Pici> screen -ls
[00:04] <BUGabundo> Pici: I know how to list them
[00:04] <BUGabundo> I'm just being lazy....
[00:04] <Pici> BUGabundo: Clearly :P
[00:04] <BUGabundo> this is so powerful, must allow me that
[00:14] <jo-erlend> this new release cycle of Mozillas bother me a little bit. I haven't been able to use moonlight a single time since that started.
[00:16] <micahg> jo-erlend: flash should work from multiverse
[00:16] <jo-erlend> micahg, hmm?
[00:17] <micahg> jo-erlend: ubufox should attempt to install flash from multiverse or install gnash
[00:17] <jo-erlend> I've never seen that.
[00:17] <jo-erlend> it always tells me that no suitable plugin was found, then it presents me with a button to install manually. If I do, I'm sent to Adobes homepage.
[00:18] <micahg> jo-erlend: the plugin finder service isn't usually updated until close to release
[00:18] <jo-erlend> ah, ok.
[00:19] <micahg> and there's an FTBFS bug blocking a moon update to work with Firefox 4+
[00:19] <jo-erlend> ftbfs?
[00:19] <micahg> fails to build from source
[00:20] <jo-erlend> ah.
[00:21] <BUGabundo> MADNESS
[00:21] <BUGabundo>     24         0.02s         2.03s        20.3G         2.3G           0K         180K          ?          ?        71%       chromium-brows
[00:32] <BUGabundo> screen -r `screen -list | grep '.*\..*(.*)' | sort | head -n 1 | awk '{ print $1 }'`
[00:32] <BUGabundo> rww: Pici ^^^
[00:34] <rww> eww
[00:36] <Pici> agreed
[00:38] <BUGabundo> rww: LOL
[00:38] <BUGabundo> it works!
[00:39] <BUGabundo> can you do better?
[01:12] <BUGabundo> nite
[01:17] <jo-erlend> from what I've seen so far, I think I want to upgrade.
[01:19] <jo-erlend> I want to upgrade. bbl
[01:23] <jhouse5266534> I've noticed the bottom little bit of my java windows is not displaying.  Is that a known issue?
[01:33] <jo-erlend> I can't remember the last time I upgraded at such an early stage. Must have been feisty or dapper or something. Hope this works well :)
[01:34] <jhouse5266534> jo-erlend, it's actually working well so far except for the grey banner at the bottom of java windows.
[01:35] <jo-erlend> yes, because I care much about java windows :>
[01:44] <jo-erlend> uh... I get an error 403 forbidden when downloading packages. How come?
[02:06] <jo-erlend>  switched to another archive and that worked.
[06:45] <alkisg> Hi, is "list columns" view supported by nautilus in oneiric? I can't find it...
[10:56] <antihero> Why does python-dbus break python-qt4-dbus :(
[11:15] <ior3k> anyone know of workrave alternatives that work on oneiric?
[11:15] <ior3k> (workrave is not installable right now)
[11:37] <jtaylor> is a bug filed?
[11:39] <jtaylor> installs fine in my chroot
[11:52] <jo-erlend> damn, I forgot to uninstall the catalyst driver before upgrading, which causes the system to freeze at boot. What's the easiest way of fixing that? I booted in recovery mode, but I could no longer find an option to fix X.
[11:55] <ior3k> jtaylor: installing libpanel-applet2-0 (of which workrave depends) causes gnome-panel to be uninstalled
[11:55] <jo-erlend> how do I start the failsafe x?
[11:57] <jtaylor> did you install lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[11:57] <jtaylor> jo-erlend: ^
[11:57] <jo-erlend> jtaylor, I've just upgraded from 11.04
[11:57] <jo-erlend> but I'm fairly certain it's the catalyst driver for my hd5850. It always does this when I upgrade the kernel.
[11:58] <jtaylor> there was a problem with lightdm casing hanging boot
[11:58] <jo-erlend> and since the radeon driver now is much better, I just want to remove the proprietary driver.
[11:58] <jtaylor> anyhow you get into a failsafe by choosing the recovery kernel in grub
[11:58] <jtaylor> its possible that installing the greeter will solve your problem
[11:58] <jo-erlend> how? I couldn't find any such options anymore. There used to be an option in that menu you get, but ...
[11:59] <jtaylor> there should be a more options option now where its hidden
[11:59] <jbicha> you could also try booting from your previous kernel
[11:59] <jo-erlend> well, until proven otherwise, I will assume it's the catalyst driver that causes these issues, since it's consistently caused exactly this problem each time I've upgraded the kernel.
[12:00] <jtaylor> booting works fine on my machine, I just get glichtes after login ^^
[12:00] <jo-erlend> listen. I just want to remove the proprietary driver. I've never wanted it and now I no longer need it.
[12:00] <jtaylor> also cataclyist
[12:00] <jo-erlend> yes, but on my system, on many clean installs, every single time I've upgraded the kernel, I cannot boot afterwards. 100%.
[12:00] <jtaylor> I just want to say it may not be the driver causing the problem
[12:00] <jtaylor> this time
[12:01] <jo-erlend> yes, but until I know that for an absolute certainty, I will still assume that it's the driver causing the issue. But in any case, I want to remove the driver. I really, really don't want to use it.
[12:02] <jo-erlend> it's insanely slow compared to the open driver and as I've said, I know from experience that it's also very unstable. And after all, I do prefer open drivers.
[12:02] <jtaylor> I'm not arguing that the prop drivers are good
[12:02] <jo-erlend> so what I'm asking, is "how do I run failsafex?"
[12:03] <jtaylor> choose the grub boot entry for recovery or edit the line (pressing e I think)
[12:03] <jo-erlend> well, that was the first thing I did, because in earlier versions, there was an option to "Fix X" or something. There no longer is.
[12:04] <jtaylor> you just need a root shell, from there you can remove the drivers
[12:06] <jo-erlend> I wish I could remember the name and location of the uninstall script. :/
[12:06] <jtaylor> its not installed via the package?
[12:06] <jo-erlend> no, as I said, after any kernel upgrade, I've had to manually install the newest driver, otherwise I haven't been able to boot.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:07] <jtaylor> then no wonder it does not work on upgrade, you have to rebuild the kernel modules each time by placing something in /etc/kernel/postinst.d
[12:07] <jo-erlend> btw; I forget which button to push to show the grub menu.
[12:07] <jtaylor> shift
[12:08] <jo-erlend> jtaylor, yes, I know this. As I said, I expected to be unable to reboot so I had intended to uninstall the proprietary driver first, but I forgot.
[12:09] <jo-erlend> but really... It has to be possible to run failesafex without using a menu option?
[12:10] <jtaylor> probably, but maybe you don't get so far due to the lightdm problem
[12:10] <jo-erlend> but the first thing I need to know, is how to display the grub menu. I don't understand why it's been hidden completely.
[12:11] <jtaylor> holding shift during boot I think, it shows for me because I have ~6 operating systems installed ^^
[12:11] <jo-erlend> jtaylor, maybe I'll have a look at that once I've confirmed that it is _not_ the catalyst driver that's causing the issue.
[12:12] <jo-erlend> oh, ok. That helps. I'll give it a go.
[12:12] <jtaylor> fixing lightdem is a simple apt-get install lightdm-gtk-greeter
[12:12] <jtaylor> if its already installed its not the problem
[12:29] <jo-erlend> in case someone else should ask, you can run failsafe X by running failesafeXServer.
[12:31] <jo-erlend> and it seems that for some reason, the uninstall script was removed when I upgraded. So I'm downloading the driver installer so I can install it so I can remove it. There should be an easy way to drop all proprietary drivers.
[12:36] <jo-erlend> ok. It's gone. Hope that really was the problem :)
[12:56] <jo-erlend> alright, so removing the proprietary driver stopped my system from halting at boot, but I'm still not able to run X.
[12:59] <jo-erlend> if I login and run startx, then I just get a black screen. If I start lightdm manually, then I get a mouse pointer, but nothing else. But what's extremely annoying is that I'm only able to display the grub menu once in a while. I had to cold boot about ten times before I was able to display it.
[13:00] <Pici> Does running sudo lightdm -d give you any information? (once you've stopped lightdm of course) ?>
[13:03] <jo-erlend> yes. It's a little bit difficult to copy the messages though.
[13:04] <Pici> Well, anything obviously in-error?
[13:05] <jo-erlend> yes. It exits with 127. Then I get some exceptions. GLib-GObject-CRITICAL: g_object_ref assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[13:08] <jo-erlend> but if I log in first and then run startx unprivileged, shouldn't that bypass the display manager?
[13:13] <jo-erlend> but... One thing at a time. How do I make the grub menu always appear? It's really annoying having to reboot so many times just to display it. When I press shift at boot, it's only being displayed about every tenth time or something.
[13:16] <gnomefreak> it seems zeitgeist-daemon is still crashing on startup
[13:16] <jo-erlend> I don't understand why the default is to not display the only thing that can help you fix problems when something goes wrong.
[13:19] <Ian_Corne> gnomefreak: I get that too
[13:27] <jo-erlend> guess someone in #grub will know how to display the menu at boot.
[13:27] <gnomefreak> Ian_Corne: the other day they uploaded a fix but it seems to only fix 1 type of the crash from what i can tell
[13:28] <gnomefreak> jo-erlend: i dont understand what you are looking for
[13:28] <gnomefreak> if i dont answer right away its because im engrossed in a blueprint that makes no sense :(
[13:30] <jo-erlend> gnomefreak: well. I would like to be able to display the grub menu at boot so that I can run the failsafe x. Right now I don't have X at all.
[13:31] <jo-erlend> in any case, being able to get to a root shell is useful, so I would like to get that possibility. Currently, I have to reboot lots of times before I'm able to get to the menu. Holding down shift only works about one time in ten.
[13:32] <gnomefreak> jo-erlend: you can get to root shell by using the recovery mode kernel
[13:32] <gnomefreak> it will give you 4 or 5 options to choose from
[13:32] <jo-erlend> that is not possible because I cannot access the grub menu.
[13:32] <gnomefreak> oh
[13:33] <jo-erlend> well. If I reboot 10-15 times, then I might get lucky.
[13:33] <gnomefreak> thats not good
[13:33] <jo-erlend> in the old days, I could edit the grub menu to show itself for x seconds before booting the default option, but I no longer know how to do that.
[13:33]  * gnomefreak not a great grub person but it should like the partition is corupt
[13:34] <jo-erlend> no, not at all. Everything works quite nicely, except it doesn't accept shift. Perhaps because it's a usb keyboard, I don't know.
[13:34] <gnomefreak> wait a min. they were talking about hiding it at one time during natty dev cycle but i never saw that instead they hid the extra kernels
[13:35] <gnomefreak> i wouldnt think USB keyboard would giv eyou issues
[13:35] <gnomefreak> at least not for grub unless it is not being recognized
[13:35] <gnomefreak> until plymouth at least
[13:36] <jo-erlend> well, it seems it doesn't catch the keystrokes. And the keyboard is being turned off and on again, so that might be it. In any case, if I keep rebooting and holding shift, then the menu is sometimes shown.
[13:36] <gnomefreak> jo-erlend: do you have a ps2 keyboard to try
[13:36] <jo-erlend> I'd say out of 20 reboots when I hold shift, the menu is displayed 3-4 times perhaps.
[13:37] <gnomefreak> that is really bad
[13:37] <jo-erlend> I obviously don't. But that's not the point either. I want to display the grub menu at boot.
[13:37]  * gnomefreak wonders if you can reset the partition without wiping everything
[13:37] <jo-erlend> what is bad is to default to hiding the only tool that can help you when something goes really bad.
[13:38] <jo-erlend> gnomefreak: hmm? What do you mean reset partition?
[13:38] <bjsnider> reset the partition?
[13:38] <gnomefreak> overwrite format
[13:38] <gnomefreak> should have a / in there
[13:38] <bjsnider> that would wipe out the file system's mft
[13:38] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought it would do
[13:38] <bjsnider> the files would exist but they wouldn't be listed or named
[13:39] <bjsnider> so you'd need a file recovery tool
[13:39] <bjsnider> you have to copy the files to another partition and then format and copy them back
[13:39] <gnomefreak> is there anyway to test the partition to see if it is that or something else?
[13:39] <gnomefreak> ah
[13:40] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, to see if it is that what?
[13:40] <gnomefreak> its quiker and easier to reinstall :)
[13:40] <jo-erlend> gnomefreak: if what is what? I don't think you've actually described the problem?
[13:40] <gnomefreak> if the partition is corrupt in some way
[13:40] <jo-erlend> what makes you think it is?
[13:40] <bjsnider> just do a fsck
[13:40]  * gnomefreak really dont htink its the keyboard
[13:41] <jo-erlend> gnomefreak: oh, are you talking about me? I can tell you with absolute certainty that it has nothing to do with partitioning.
[13:41] <gnomefreak> im just getting the thought that its someone with the partition(wish i could remember the name)
[13:41] <gnomefreak> jo-erlend: yes you
[13:42] <gnomefreak> ok
[13:42] <BluesKaj> just downloaded the alpha image , but it was empty ...?
[13:42] <jo-erlend> as I've told you, everything works. It boots the default. It's just that I want to get a root shell and that means I have to display the menu. I want it to be displayed by default.
[13:43] <jo-erlend> pressing shift sometimes displays the menu, but very rarely and it's exceedingly annoying to have to reboot so many times just hoping that the menu will be displayed.
[13:43] <gnomefreak> i remember talk about hiding it but i dont recall much after that. i have always had it show, other than hiding the older kernels
[13:43] <bjsnider> why does the grub menu have to be displayed?
[13:43] <jo-erlend> bjsnider: I need a root shell. More precisely, I need to run failsafex.
[13:43] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: it shandy to have a choice to boot into recovery or edit
[13:44] <bjsnider> ok, so change the settings so that it is showed
[13:44] <jo-erlend> very shandy indeed :)
[13:44] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[13:44] <jo-erlend> bjsnider: ... I've been asking how to do that for quite some time. I used to know how that was done, but I don't know how to do it with grub2.
[13:45] <bjsnider> edit the file /etc/default/grub
[13:45] <bjsnider> then run update-grub
[13:46] <jo-erlend> that's it? I thought there was something else I needed to do.
[13:46] <bjsnider> which, by the way, is in the ubuntu wiki page for grub2
[13:46] <bjsnider> that is all there is to it
[13:47] <bjsnider> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[13:47] <bjsnider> !grub2
[13:47] <jo-erlend> yes, I've never gotten comfortable using w3m.
[13:48] <jo-erlend> bjsnider: grub_timeout is set to 10, but grub_hidden_timeout is set to 0. What's the difference between them?
[13:48] <bjsnider> read the docs
[13:48] <bjsnider> before you change anything you should probably know what you're changing
[13:49] <jo-erlend> hmm. The live session takes forever to boot. And then I need to reboot twenty times in order to get a shell so I can edit the menu. If it was easy to look up, then I would have.
[13:50] <jo-erlend> but I guess maybe I can use w3m for this.
[13:50] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: have you heard anything about fglrx being fixed?
[13:51]  * gnomefreak using links
[13:51] <jo-erlend> gnomefreak: the main reason for my upgrade is that I no longer have to use fglrx :)
[13:51] <gnomefreak> uses
[13:51] <jo-erlend> links. I had forgotten about that one.
[13:51] <jo-erlend> it's been a while since I run linux without x :)
[13:52] <jo-erlend> well, for desktop use that is. I have a few headless servers, but I rarely need to surf on them :)
[13:52] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, no i haven't, but there was a new release yesterday i think
[13:52] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: thanks
[13:53] <jo-erlend> gnomefreak: is links supposed to only display a black screen?
[13:54] <gnomefreak> jo-erlend: no
[13:54] <genii-around> jo-erlend: Maybe try hit g for "go to URL" then type in some address....
[13:55] <gnomefreak> it should give you a screen pretty much empty except for a choice or 2 but i dont have it installed atm
[13:55] <gnomefreak> anyone feel like trying reproduce a bug in untiy for me
[13:55] <gnomefreak> i would love a confirmed on this bug
[13:56] <gnomefreak> bug 816106
[13:57] <jo-erlend> still think it's a little strange to make the system recovery option unavailable by default though.
[14:20] <jo-erlend> if  I want to boot directly into the live session and skip the installer... Is it sufficient to just uninstall ubiquity?
[14:20] <jo-erlend> let me rephrase that. If I want to boot a live session and skip the installer. What is the best way of doing that?
[14:21] <patdk-wk> heh? isn't that the default?
[14:22] <jo-erlend> no, when you boot from a cd or memory stick, then you go into the installer, asking if you want to try or install Ubuntu. If you click try, then you get into a live session. But that adds several minutes to the boot time, so I'd rather just go directly into the live session.
[14:24] <jo-erlend> I think it's a little strange btw.. I can boot yesterdays live image without any problems. It takes forever to boot, but when it's up, it's much faster than 11.04 was installed on the same machine. But when I install from the same image, then I can get x up. I was able to get failsafex up earlier today, but I'm no longer able to.
[14:25] <patdk-wk> oh dunno, I only install from the test images
[14:25] <jo-erlend> what does that mean? You mean the alpha releases?
[14:25] <patdk-wk> ya, aphla, beta, rc's
[14:26] <jo-erlend> oh, right. And then you wait until the next test release before you install any upgrades?
[14:26] <patdk-wk> no
[14:26] <patdk-wk> but I don't install from a cd
[14:26] <patdk-wk> upgrades aren't via cdrom
[14:26] <jo-erlend> what does that matter?
[14:26] <patdk-wk> you are complaining about the cdrom
[14:27] <jo-erlend> I am not. Not in any way. Quite the contrary. I'm saying that the upgraded system does not work, but running from a cd image works perfectly.
[14:27] <jo-erlend> and I think that is a little strange, since it's supposed to be the same software.
[14:29] <jo-erlend> this is why I upgraded in the first place. Running 11.10 from a CD is _much_ faster than running my installed 11.04 ever was. I suspect that's mostly because of the VGA drivers.
[14:30] <albert23> jo-erlend: if you press a key when the cd is just starting, before the language selection shows, you get an additional menu. There you can choose "try Ubuntu without installing"
[14:31] <jo-erlend> albert23, oh, I thought that had been removed. But how do I make that the default option? Is it in the grub menu?
[14:31] <albert23> No, there is no grub with a live cd
[14:32] <albert23> I don't think you can change that
[14:32] <jo-erlend> well. I seem to remember being able to do it in lucid. But I don't remember exactly what I did, thought perhaps I just uninstalled uniquity?
[14:33] <albert23> indeed, older versions showed that menu by default
[14:34] <jo-erlend> no, I mean I was able to make my memory stick OS load the live session automatically. But I tried to just uninstall it, so I can reboot and see.
[14:34] <jo-erlend> brb
[14:37] <gnomefreak> is it just me or can everyone not add a shortcut on the desktop?
[14:39] <jo-erlend> yup. That worked. Heh... So I guess I'll be running from a memory stick for a while. :)
[14:41] <jo-erlend> does anyone know why there is a limit of 4GB persistence when you make a bootable memory stick, btw? That seems a little strange.
[14:47] <BluesKaj> k3b won't burn the alpha image to a dvdrw  or cdrw , gotta use dd
[14:49] <coz_> BluesKaj,   permissions  issue?
[14:50] <coz_> BluesKaj,  the only reason I say that is that I did have permissions issue with k3b  at one point
[14:53] <BluesKaj> coz it doesn't recognize the empty cdrw or dvdrw ,it acts like there's data on it
[14:53] <BluesKaj> they're blankd
[15:00] <coz_> BluesKaj,  ooo  ok that is a different issue ,, sorry
[15:11] <BluesKaj> coz_, some of these dvd/cdrws are old and have been written too many times , so the substrate is probly cooked ...found on e that works after 4 tries :)
[15:12] <coz_> BluesKaj,  ah oh ,, phew,, at least it was not software related :)
[15:13] <jo-erlend> wah. My head is tired. I can't even figure out how to mount my partitions. mdadm --assemble --scan gives med /dev/md0 and md1, but I can't find the partitions on the lvm.
[15:14] <BluesKaj> ok gonna try the image ...couldn't rescue nvidia/X on the try ..blacklisting nouveau and reinstalling nvidia current made no difference
[15:14] <BluesKaj> last try
[15:51] <BluesKaj> is there an kubuntu oneiric alpha image available ?...searching , but not finding much
[15:51] <BluesKaj> alpha2
[15:56] <BluesKaj> ok, no kubuntu alpha 2 images available
[16:09] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, you're having trouble with nvidia?
[16:13] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, yes i tried the nouveau blacklist and it worked for a day or 2 then X broke again ..I had tty access but nomodeset and noacpi didn't help
[16:13] <bjsnider> ok, first of all i doubt reimaging is going to fix it
[16:14] <bjsnider> it's probably a packaging issue related to multiarch
[16:14] <BluesKaj> tried unblacklisting nouveau and removing nvidia current
[16:14] <bjsnider> assuming nvidia-current is properly installed
[16:14] <bjsnider> nvidia-current already blacklists nouveau
[16:16] <BluesKaj> not in my case, the nouveau driver was in use after I installed nvidia-current, so blacklisting nouveau and reinstalling nvidia current did work for a while
[16:16] <bjsnider> you can't use nouveau instead of nvidia for the moment?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> I tried that , but X still wouldn't load
[16:17] <BluesKaj> I reinstalled natty...again
[16:17] <bjsnider> look, i'm fairly certain i can troubleshoot this into working again
[16:18] <bjsnider> run this command: sudo jockey-text -e xorg: nvidia-current
[16:19] <BluesKaj> yofel suggested the blacklist and it did work , but I don't know what broke X ...checked the logs but all i got was the noscrns message
[16:22] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, I'm on natty again ...it's not a big deal to reinstall due to separate / and /home partitions , but this nvidia/X problem is becoming a pita , so I'm leery on upgrading again ...running kde btw
[16:26] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, sudo jockey-text -e xorg: nvidia-current ... looks for the additional drivers ?
[16:36] <bjsnider> no, it installs and activates nvidia-current
[16:36] <carl0s-> is there no reboot option now?
[16:37] <carl0s-> (from the gui_
[16:37] <carl0s-> )
[16:38] <BluesKaj> ok , bjsnider , upgrading ... probly take an hr or so.. we'll see what happens then :)
[16:39] <carl0s-> gay
[17:40] <jo-erlend_> those issues with lightdm is well known, yes?
[17:42] <micahg> jo-erlend_: which issues?
[17:43] <jo-erlend_> well, you know.. "the issues" :) It wouldn't run when I upgraded from 11.04. Running from a live memory stick was perfect.
[17:44] <jo-erlend_> and I got the feeling that it was some well known issue.
[17:44] <micahg> jo-erlend_: which desktop are you using?
[17:44] <jo-erlend_> ubuntu. 64bit is that matters.
[17:44] <jo-erlend_> s/is/if/.
[17:46] <dr_willis> Anyone noticed an issue where the cursor is moved to the right 3 spaces on the console?
[17:46] <dr_willis> makes it a little hard to use vi :)
[17:50] <sri> greetings..
[17:52] <sri> so..
[17:53] <sri> if I wanted to downgrade back to 11.01 how would I do that?
[17:53] <sri> possible?
[17:53] <sri> I accidentally upgraded a macahine to oneiric
[17:53] <yofel> !downgrade
[17:53] <sri> thinking it was my own box..
[17:53] <sri> ok
[17:53] <charlie-tca> fresh install of 11.04
[17:53] <sri> ugh.
[17:53] <charlie-tca> 11.01 doesn't really exist
[17:54] <sri> sorry I meant 11.04
[17:58] <jo-erlend_> sri, a fresh install is much faster if you don't have to consider mdadm or lvm and that stuff.
[17:59] <jo-erlend_> that is to say; as long as you don't need to use the alternate installer, it's much faster to install fresh than it is to install via the package system.
[18:39] <mauri_> where is stored the desktop image? Where i can find it in the distribution
[18:41] <antihero> Hmm, KDE is broken entirely with latest upgrade
[18:41] <yofel> broken dependencies I guess, some packages need processing by an archive admin
[18:42] <yofel> *never* run dist-upgrade without checking what it does first ;)
[18:42] <Pici> Me either.
[18:42] <antihero> yofel: Indeed, but it seemingly replaced some stuff, evidently not enough.
[18:43] <yofel> well, here it wants to remove workspace stuff too
[18:43] <yofel> there's a new wallpaper package worspace now depends on, and that's stuck in BINARY NEW
[18:44] <antihero> How do I install stuff from binary new?
[18:44] <antihero> or is that insanity
[18:44] <Pici> I wonder if its due to the accidental package sync.
[18:44] <antihero> Pici: What is that?
[18:45] <Pici> let me grab a link from the mailing list.
[18:45] <Pici> antihero: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-July/000877.html
[18:45] <antihero> Pici: Don't have a browser right now.
[18:45] <antihero> I'm sitting in the console.
[18:46] <antihero> I suppose I could load up e17 though
[18:46] <Pici> antihero: Basically a javascript bug caused us to sync everything from debian.
[18:46] <Pici> w3m should be enough for this, it's 99% text.
[18:46] <antihero> Pici: Eek. I'm guessing that's bad?
[18:47] <Pici> antihero: yes.
[18:47] <antihero> Pici: ballback idea on when I'll be able to install KDE again?
[18:47] <antihero> *ballbark (lol?)
[18:47] <antihero> PARK
[18:47] <Pici> heh
[18:48] <Pici> I'm not sure, I haven't investigated the list of packges thoroughly, nor have I tried to do a (dist-)upgrade on my 11.10 install lately.
[18:48] <yofel> tomorrow I guess?
[18:48] <yofel> here a dist-upgrade wants to remove kde-workspace as well, not much to do except to wait
[18:48] <Pici> Likely soon though, I'd guess that the more important packages will get fixed sooner.
[18:49] <yofel> for build the package yourself
[18:49] <yofel> *or
[18:49] <genii-around> This must have happened in the last 4-5 hours, I did a dist-upgrade then without issues
[18:49] <antihero> No way to simply ignore a couple deps?
[18:50] <Pici> genii-around: Its possible that the packages didn't build until more recently.
[18:50] <Pici> antihero: Then they wouldn't be dependencies.
[18:51] <genii-around> Hm
[18:51] <antihero> essentially all I need is kde-workspace-data 4.7.0-0ubuntu2
[18:52] <antihero> whereas all I can get is kde-workspace-data-4.7.0-0ubuntu1
[18:52] <antihero> aargh
[18:54] <yofel> uh, no ubuntu2 depends on kde-wallpapers-default which is uninstallable currently
[18:54] <Pici> antihero: Looks like that just finished building.
[18:54] <yofel> so ubuntu1 is your only chance currently
[18:54] <antihero> Pici: Excellent! Can I get the deb?
[18:54] <antihero> Pici: Where did you find out that that had just finished building?
[18:54] <Pici> antihero: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace
[18:56] <antihero> hmm, that doesn't depend on kde-workspace data it seems
[18:56] <antihero> oh wait, it does.
[18:56] <Pici> Its the source package for kde-workspace-data
[18:57] <yofel> ah true, it's fine now
[18:58] <antihero> Essentially the problem is that kde-workspace-bin ubuntu1 depends on kde-workspace-data ubuntu2
[18:58] <antihero> ffs
[18:58] <yofel> there's no versions in the dependencies, it's just that those versions were available at that moment
[18:59] <antihero> yofel: Ubuntu -- Package Se
[18:59] <antihero> oops
[18:59] <genii-around> antihero: You could take your chances and dpkg -i --force-depends      on the workspace-bin file in your cache
[19:00] <antihero> " kde-workspace-bin : Depends: kde-workspace-data (= 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2) but 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed "
[19:00] <yofel> antihero: refresh your cache again
[19:00] <yofel> here (de.archive.ubuntu.com amd64) the deps are OK now
[19:00] <antihero> yofel: apt-get update?
[19:00] <antihero> I'm on gb, is that slow?
[19:00] <yofel> except python-dbus which has been stuck for a while here
[19:00] <yofel> antihero: no idea, but update is right
[19:01] <antihero> yofel: yeah the python-qt4-dbus thing seems weird
[19:01] <antihero> Hmm, deps not fixed on GB. How do I know when that's updated?
[19:03] <yofel> aaaargh
[19:03] <yofel> sorry
[19:03] <yofel> not fixed, I got it from another source -.-
[19:03] <antihero> so is it that whoever's maintining it has accidentally put ubuntu2 instead of ubuntu1?
[19:03] <antihero> yofel: Could I get that source?
[19:04] <yofel> antihero: that's private, but different way:
[19:04] <yofel> got to https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-wallpapers/4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1/+build/2653513
[19:04] <yofel> download the debs and dpkg -i them
[19:05] <antihero> goddamn uxterm let me copy paste
[19:06] <antihero> yofel: But I thought the issue was with kde-workspace-data?
[19:06] <antihero> and the fact that the available version is ubuntu1 but kde-workspace-bin needs ubuntu2
[19:07] <shadeslayer> fwiw kubuntu-desktop is still broken ;)
[19:07] <yofel> yes, kde-workspace-data depends on kde-wallpapers-default which doesn't exist yet
[19:07] <yofel> -> problem
[19:07] <antihero> yofel: I see.
[19:07] <yofel> install wallpapers by hand and apt should be happy
[19:07] <antihero> yofel. The package should really have wallpapers as optional >_<
[19:08] <antihero> I mean crikey, taking down a system for *wallpapers*
[19:08] <yofel> no, the depends is right, this is just what happens in +1 sometimes
[19:10] <antihero> yofel: Wallpapres thing did not fix.
[19:10] <yofel> what happens now?
[19:10] <antihero> same thing
[19:10] <yofel> which packages did you install?
[19:10] <antihero> kde-wallpapers and kde-wallpapers-default
[19:11] <jbicha> antihero: you know you don't have to install every update as soon as it shows up, right? ;-)
[19:11] <antihero> had to remove kde-workspace-data (ub1) to do it too
[19:11] <antihero> jbicha: I know I know now
[19:11] <yofel> k, then run apt-get update again
[19:11] <yofel> if it's still broken you do have a bit outdated mirror I guess
[19:11] <antihero> yofel: Which mirror are you using? DE?
[19:11] <yofel> yep
[19:11] <antihero> which mirror is the most up to date usually?
[19:11] <Pici> archive.ubuntu.com
[19:12] <shadeslayer> the main one? :P
[19:12] <jbicha> antihero: here's a bit of an explanation: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1751299
[19:12] <jakemp> Is there a way to see if I am on Unity 3D or 2d? I logged into 'Unity' but none of my ccsm settings are applying and all of my old desktop settings are gone.
[19:12] <shadeslayer> btw is anyone here running O on the new Macbook Pro?
[19:14] <antihero> jbicha: I will bear this in mind
[19:15] <antihero> yofel: Hmm, now I've used the DE mirror a bunch of stuff about things being too new :(
[19:15] <yofel> "too new" o.O?
[19:15] <antihero> because kde-workspace-bin=4:4.7.0-0-ubuntu2 is not existing
[19:15] <antihero>  kde-workspace-bin : Depends: libkephal4abi1 (= 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[19:17] <antihero> yofel: Perhaps they're finishing off the 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2 builds as we speak?
[19:18] <jbicha> antihero: no problem, it takes practice & experience to know when to update but usually avoid partial or dist-upgrades
[19:18] <yofel> argh no, ubuntu2 is on LP
[19:18] <antihero> LP?
[19:18] <yofel> but I forgot that kde-workspace-data-extras is stuck in new too -.-
[19:18] <yofel> Launchpad
[19:18] <Pici> LaunchPad
[19:18] <antihero> ah
[19:18] <antihero> I'll try US mirror, perhaps it is more up to date?
[19:19] <antihero> Nope.
[19:19] <jbicha> or you could install unity or gnome-shell or something :-)
[19:19] <antihero> No.
[19:19] <antihero> I'm using flux atm, it's ok
[19:20] <antihero> I didn't mind unity too much, but just got irritating and I hate gnome 3's attitude towards customisation etc
[19:20] <yofel> antihero: if you want to try it, go on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2/ - click on the architecture you need, and take -data from i386
[19:21] <yofel> maybe it'll help
[19:21] <yofel> or wait till we get it out of NEW
[19:21] <antihero> yofel: What exactly is NEW
[19:21] <antihero> currently I'm looking at http://packages.ubuntu.com/hu/oneiric/kde-workspace-data and that tells me it's still ubuntu1
[19:22] <jakemp> Is there a way to see if I am on Unity 3D or just 2d?
[19:22] <yofel> if you build a new binary package from a known source, that package will get stuck in the Binary New moderation queue until an Archive Admin accepts the package
[19:22] <antihero> Hum
[19:22] <yofel> that's why it's nowhere to be found yet. Built: YES, Published: NO
[19:23] <antihero> grr
[19:23] <yofel> you could download the ubuntu2 debs from the architecture pages if you want
[19:23] <yofel> they're up
[19:24] <antihero> yofel: Not kde-workspace-data asfaics
[19:24] <antihero> just -bin
[19:24] <yofel> antihero: -data is Arch ALL, thus only built on i386
[19:24] <yofel> you'll see it there
[19:24] <antihero> a
[19:24] <antihero> ahhh
[19:27] <jakemp> I am logging into Unity, but it seems to be switching over to unity 2D
[19:27] <jakemp> Since this recent dist upgrade
[19:27] <antihero> jakemp: Try runnign startx from a console and see if your drivers are screwed up?
[19:28] <antihero> yofel: If I install all these dependencies, will this frack up my upgrades down the line once the repos catch up?
[19:29] <antihero> and by "install" i mean "download debs and install"
[19:29] <jakemp> antihero, how do I kill my current x session?
[19:30] <shadeslayer> jakemp: sudo service gdm stop
[19:30] <yofel> antihero: those are the exact same packages that will end up in the repos, so no
[19:30] <jakemp> I thought gdm was removed
[19:30] <antihero> yofel: Unless they get moderated and rejected
[19:31] <antihero> right?
[19:31] <antihero> I'm basically being a human version of apt right now
[19:32] <antihero> wooo after installing about 15 deps I seem to have made progress
[19:32] <antihero> A fitting punishment for the naiive dist-upgrader
[19:33] <antihero> Thee only reason I accepted the dist-upgrade is that sometimes "necessary" sounding packages are replaced with different named ones
[19:33] <yofel> no reason for them to get rejected, we just don't have an admin around right now to accept them
[19:33] <antihero> yofel: Can I be an admin?
[19:33] <yofel> nope, and I don't know how to become one (not easy though)
[19:34] <jakemp> startx did not run, something about a missing protocol
[19:34] <antihero> yofel: What about if we set up a repo that essentially hosted brand new package hot from launchpad, with our own moderation?
[19:34] <antihero> jakemp: what error message dude?
[19:34] <jakemp> (I'm running on HD3000) graphics
[19:34] <antihero> Hmm.
[19:34] <yofel> antihero: have fun at proposing that to the LP devs
[19:35] <antihero> yofel: screenscraping :)
[19:35] <jakemp> "No protocol specified" just repeated
[19:35] <jakemp> I had to switch to another term and kill -9 it.
[19:35] <antihero> jakemp: Aye, that's sucky. I'm not too knwledgable about the HD3000, though NV was having probs
[19:36] <jakemp> Is there a way to see if I am in 2D or 3D?
[19:36] <antihero> yofel: It's great when aptitude's "solution" is to leave everything uninstalled and suck it up, and then if you reject that "solution" it just repeats it.
[19:37] <yofel> it doesn't repeat it, it gives you one where it removes one other package :P
[19:37] <antihero> yofel: Hoo ray.
[19:38] <jamesbond2> Hi I'm trying to run apport-retrace but I get the follow error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/653963/
[19:38] <antihero> how do I turn noises off in kde
[19:39] <antihero> I keep getting these weird /opt/google/chome/chrome processes that take up absurd amounts of CPU.
[19:39] <yofel> blame chrome
[19:40] <antihero> Indeed, but I like chome. This one has been active for like, 4 hours ?!
[19:40] <antihero> sigkill and my system responds like modern computer again
[19:41] <jamesbond2> I have added the key but it still gives that error
[19:55] <antihero> yofel: Here's a colour scheme I made as a thanks for help https://github.com/radiosilence/Dogs-ColourScheme
[19:56] <yofel> heh, thanks :)
[19:58] <jakemp> This recent dist upgrade has two problems: now maximized winsows go behind the left bar, and when I prest the win key and start typing, I have to then get the mouse and click on the icon to run it; enter no longer works.
[20:06] <antihero> How would I enable stuff for my (nvidia) gfx card like triple buffering?
[20:11] <yofel> antihero: nvidia-settings I think
[20:17] <Daekdroom> indicator-me is still a unity-2d dependency, it seems
[20:51] <henke> anybody else having problems with Flash hanging X with nvidia drivers in oneiric?
[20:54] <nit-wit> henke, you might try using the FF add on flash aid to get the lateest adobe and cleaned up
[21:11] <henke> nit-wit, that's a useful add-on, however, it was of no help as I still get the X freeze at most flash animations
[21:12] <henke> although oddly enough youtube works well
[21:13] <nit-wit> henke, bummer, I'm about to reinstall oneiric again I removed a week ago, so I'm not sure what is going on in general.
[21:13] <nit-wit> henke, did yo install the restricted extras
[21:13] <nit-wit> *you
[21:13] <henke> oneiric has been extremely unstable for me all along, I have had much better luck with previous alpha/beta phases
[21:14] <nit-wit> henke, did you install the restricted extras
[21:14] <henke> nit-wit, I used to have the xorg-edgers ppa, but downgraded all that in case that caused problems.
[21:14] <henke> not sure which extras you ask of?
[21:15] <nit-wit> henke, look for restricted extras in sysnaptic
[22:36] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:36] <BUGabundo> and no GDM or lightDM working
[22:36] <BUGabundo> YAY
[22:36] <jo-erlend_> BUGabundo, hehe.. Yes, I had to go back to natty :)
[22:36] <BUGabundo> glad startx uses my last WM
[22:37] <BUGabundo> jo-erlend_: *worse* cicle I can remember
[22:37] <BUGabundo> and I've had them all
[22:37] <jo-erlend_> circle?
[22:37] <jo-erlend_> cycle! :)
[22:38] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:38] <jo-erlend_> yes, but you know... I think it's better in the long run.
[22:39] <BUGabundo> then we should have been warned NOT TO run this devel cycle
[22:39] <jo-erlend_> absolutely. The communication has been very poor. Canonical needs to learn from that.
[22:40] <jo-erlend_> I totally support and agree with the focus on 12.04, but people needs to know that between now and then, things are going to get rough.
[22:41] <micahg> BUGabundo: what's not working?
[22:41] <BUGabundo> micahg: can I say what's actually working? the list should be smaller :)
[22:41] <BUGabundo> broken notification
[22:42] <BUGabundo> broken Classic with composite
[22:42]  * micahg hasn't rebooted since the lightdm 0.9.2 upgrade
[22:42] <BUGabundo> broken gnome applets
[22:42] <BUGabundo> now broken lightDM
[22:42] <jo-erlend_> oh. Then you're able to run the normal desktop at all? I'm not.
[22:42] <BUGabundo> jo define "normal"
[22:42] <BUGabundo> I was running lubuntu for over one month
[22:42] <jo-erlend_> non-failsafe.
[22:42] <BUGabundo> cause no other DM would work
[22:42] <BUGabundo> I'm on a STARTX session
[22:43] <jo-erlend_> in the end, I wasn't even able to start the failsafex. :)
[22:43] <BUGabundo> with gnome classic with no 3D
[22:43]  * micahg has been running xubuntu on oneiric fine with the exception of needing to click "other" to log in with lightdm
[22:43] <BUGabundo> if at least notifications worked :\
[22:44] <BUGabundo> I tried all those new gnome3 and unity WMs
[22:44] <BUGabundo> but.... they aren't for me
[22:44] <BUGabundo> I like classic
[22:44] <jo-erlend_> micahg, yes, that's what I'm experiencing with a live session, but when it's installed, I don't get any greeter at all. I can't login first and then run startx either. FailsafeXServer worked for a little while, but then it stopped working as well.
[22:44] <BUGabundo> but.... ITS BROKEN to hell
[22:44] <jo-erlend_> yup.
[22:44] <charlie-tca> The really sad part is the Xubuntu images are broken to the point they won't let you install
[22:44] <micahg> jo-erlend_: there was a bug where the greeter didn't get installed, but that was fixed
[22:45] <jo-erlend_> when?
[22:45] <jo-erlend_> I used yesterdays image.
[22:45] <micahg> oh, idk about images, charlie-tca would know more
[22:45] <charlie-tca> heh, broken
[22:46] <charlie-tca> I don't really know about the Ubuntu images. I haven't tried them this week
[22:47] <jo-erlend_> guess I'll give it another shot at the next alpha.
[22:55] <BUGabundo> micahg: all I can see on my side is that it fails to upgrade
[22:55] <BUGabundo> I just forced it
[22:55] <BUGabundo> hope it gets okay on the next reboot
[22:55] <micahg> BUGabundo: which fails to upgrade?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> ligthdm
[22:57] <charlie-tca> Make sure lightdm-greeter-gtk is installed
[22:59] <micahg> BUGabundo: did you still have lubuntu-desktop intalled?
[23:01] <BUGabundo> I think I've removed most of it
[23:01] <micahg> k, lubuntu-desktop was just fixed
[23:06] <charlie-tca> Does lubuntu use lightdm now?
[23:07] <micahg> charlie-tca: they were, they switched back to lxdm until the conf file issue is fixed
[23:07] <charlie-tca> I see
[23:40] <antihero> \a
[23:41] <antihero> argh, my nouveau module is loading for some reason and now it's saying "nvidia" module is not found :(
[23:42] <BUGabundo> WOW


[00:45] <hggdh> hallyn: there?
[01:54] <veebull> anyone know where to find a description or explanation of the install options presented by the Server install CD?
[01:55] <veebull> They don't seem to be covered in the official docs, and the pages on boot options and boot parameters in the Community Docs are for the Desktop Live CD version... which doesn't appear to match.
[01:57] <veebull> Specifically I'm curious about the 'F4 Mode' options, which used to be graphic mode options but now are labeled 'Normal', 'OEM Install', 'Minimal Install', 'Install virtual machine'...
[02:11] <vbabiy> How can I find out how many file descriptors are in use?
[02:13] <vbabiy> this does not make sense to me
[02:13] <vbabiy> vbabiy@vbabiy-laptop:~$ lsof | wc -l
[02:13] <vbabiy> 7989
[02:13] <vbabiy> vbabiy@vbabiy-laptop:~$ ulimit -n
[02:13] <vbabiy> 1024
[03:45] <hallyn> hggdh: if it's any help, i'm here now
[03:46] <hggdh> hallyn: heh. No shabbos for us, it seems
[03:48] <hggdh> hallyn: but now I have forgotten what it was :-( Ah well. Hopefully I will remember by next MOnday.
[04:15] <echosystm> has anyone here used ubuntu UEC?
[04:18] <echosystm> hm
[04:18] <echosystm> must be really popular.
[04:19] <lifeless> its pretty popular
[04:40] <hggdh> indeed it is.
[04:46] <vbabiy> what is the correct way to find out how much memory a process is using?
[04:46] <echosystm> top
[04:52] <demonspork> using Ubuntu 10.04 on an HP Proliant DL380 G3, when I SSH into my server it takes 5-10 seconds to challenge for authentication (either password or key) but the server has like a 45ms ping when I ping it directly
[04:53] <demonspork> I also have another possibly related bug with minecraft, when logging into the server it sometimes times out the login for minecraft
[04:54] <demonspork> I have no idea where to being solving this
[04:56] <echosystm> anything suspicious in your ssh logs?
[04:58] <echosystm> ssh -vv when you log in and see if anything weird pops up too
[05:25] <demonspork> echosystm, it seems like it hangs after the line "debu2: key: /home/me/.ssh/id_dsa ((nil))
[05:26] <demonspork> it is there for several seconds
[05:26] <demonspork> debug2*
[05:27] <demonspork> spork#666
[06:23] <pex> demonspork I have the exact same proliant with the same server version
[06:25] <HarryMuffin> I had that same issue but fixed it with a manual entry for the connecting host in the /etc/hosts file. Dunno why it worked but it did
[06:27] <demonspork> HarryMuffin, explain this fix further plase
[06:27] <demonspork> what type of entry
[06:27] <demonspork> what did you have to add
[06:35] <HarryMuffin> it was on a land so I added the hostname / ip to the /etc/hosts file
[06:35] <HarryMuffin> er.. lan
[06:35] <HarryMuffin> so the line was "machine-name   ipaddress"
[06:42] <demonspork> which machine
[06:42] <demonspork> are you talking about the local machine or the one trying to connect
[06:45] <demonspork> HarryMuffin
[06:50] <HarryMuffin> the one you are connecting to
[07:01] <demonspork> HarryMuffin, I just tried that and it didn't seem to do it :(
[07:05] <demonspork> just want to make sure I understand it entirely: say the server is named "server1" and the computer I am on right now is named "bob"  in the /etc/hosts/ for server1 I need to add what exactly?
[07:05] <HarryMuffin> be sure to do a "/etc/init.d/networking restart"
[07:06] <cwillu_at_work> editing /etc/hosts doesn't require a networking restart
[07:06] <HarryMuffin> nevermind that last line then
[07:07] <cwillu_at_work> there's an option for sshd to not try to resolve connecting ip addresses, which is probably a better fix
[07:07] <HarryMuffin> there ya go
[07:07] <cwillu_at_work> that should actually be the default
[07:08] <cwillu_at_work> or maybe not
[07:08] <cwillu_at_work> UseDNS in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[07:08] <demonspork> useDNS
[07:08] <cwillu_at_work> should be no
[07:08] <demonspork> right
[07:08] <demonspork> k
[07:09] <HarryMuffin> right on, didn't know about that
[11:06] <Iceman_B> how can I check from the command line what HDD's are connected inside my system and how full they are ?
[11:06] <au> Iceman_B: df -h
[11:07] <Iceman_B> ok, that gives an idea
[11:07] <Iceman_B> and how do I get the physical model info?
[11:08] <qman__> Iceman_B, sudo fdisk -l
[11:09] <Iceman_B> w00t
[11:09] <Iceman_B> thanks you 2
[11:12] <Mateo_> Hi everyone !
[11:13] <Mateo_> I have a simple question to start :) I'm using pure-pw and i have created a user , owner of /home/mywebsite/
[11:14] <Mateo_> the user is in the ftpgroup
[11:14] <Mateo_> to be able to connect via ftp
[11:15] <Mateo_> the problem is, i need to use auto-upgrade with wordpress, and i can't use it because the folder has to belong to a user in the www-data group
[11:15] <Mateo_> so my question, can a user belong to 2 group ?
[11:24] <_Techie_> Mateo_, yes
[11:24] <_Techie_> Mateo_, a user can belong to two or more groups, dont askme how to do it because i dont know and im heading to bed
[11:25] <_Techie_> !group
[11:25] <_Techie_> hrmm
[11:25] <_Techie_> oh well
[11:25] <_Techie_> good night
[11:26] <Mateo_> thanks _TechAway_
[11:30] <guntbert> Mateo_: a user can be member of many groups, try with adduser <user> <group> and see man adduser
[11:31] <techcomputernerd> i need help with ubuntu server
[11:31] <guntbert> !ask | techcomputernerd
[11:33] <Mateo_> guntbert: and can a folder belongs to 2 users ?
[11:33] <techcomputernerd> I am trying to set ubuntu server to share a hard drive between five computers, two are windows, two are mac and one is ubuntu (desktop) I am trying to set up a dynamic ip but i dont know what to enter for the netmask, network, broadcast and gateway in /etc/network/interfaces
[11:33] <guntbert> Mateo_: a folder can belong to one user and to one group
[11:34] <techcomputernerd> i mean a static ip
[11:35] <guntbert> techcomputernerd: I guess that question will be better answered in ##networking
[11:35] <Mateo_> guntbert: ok so that's problematic, because i need this folder to belongs to www-data for the automatic upgrade, and to be able to ftp with another user (of course)
[11:35] <techcomputernerd> sorry, i thought i should post it in ubuntu-server because it is about ubuntu serrver :)
[11:36] <guntbert> Mateo_: so you give it to some group with write access and make the user a member of that group
[14:02] <amanita_> Hi, anyone using a server (multiple cpus, quad core, xeon etc, sata/sas raid etc) with gnome as a general desktop?
[14:02] <au> I have before
[14:03] <amanita_> au: I am going to buy hp z200 or proliant tower server for gnome and math apps
[14:04] <au> cool :)
[14:04] <jpds> au: Does it run faster?
[14:04] <amanita_> jpds: two quad-core xeon
[14:04] <au> jpds: it runs fast, but linux as my main os is not my taste :)
[14:19] <Kamikazepinguin> Hi!
[14:19] <au> hiya
[14:20] <Kamikazepinguin> Has ynyone here a source for ubuntu server 10.x  for sparc-plattforms?
[14:20] <Kamikazepinguin> *anyone
[14:58] <joschi> Kamikazepinguin: what's wrong with the official cd image?
[14:59] <joschi> Kamikazepinguin: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/10.04/release/
[15:00] <RoyK> damn - didn't know ubuntu ran on SPARC :)
[15:01] <joschi> RoyK: 10.04 is the last release that officially will
[15:01] <Kamikazepinguin> joschi, its a i386 image
[15:01] <joschi> Kamikazepinguin: no, it's not
[15:02] <Kamikazepinguin> o0? really?
[15:02] <joschi> RoyK: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-August/000441.html
[15:02] <shauno> none of the /ports/ tree are i386
[15:12] <hggdh> hallyn: I remembered: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-qa/+archive/regression-test/+build/1963857/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.libvirt_0.8.3-1ubuntu11%2Bregressiontest20100917_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:15] <jdstrand> hggdh: just passing through, but if that is the same one I looked at the other day, you need to build it with '--without-macvtap'
[15:15] <hggdh> jdstrand: thanks for passign by :-)
[15:16] <jdstrand> sure :)
[15:17]  * jdstrand wanders off
[17:40] <extor> Is it pretty straightforward to migrate Xen domains into KVM domains? I'm having terrible stability issues that remain unsolved on a centos-xen kernel box and am desperate to try anything. Every 12-24 hours my box just cripples itself with an "init reloading" message. Nothing in the logs...
[17:41] <extor> I'm at the point where I could almost just install ubuntu server just for the opportunity to have a newer Xen kernel running things
[17:41] <extor> A shot in the dark...but when you can't see anything then all you can do is shoot randomly in the dark
[18:03] <wickedSA> extor: pretty straightforward in my experience. a disk image is a disk image is a disk image...
[18:04] <wickedSA> extor: some extra steps if any of it lives on LVM, but othersise its easy
[18:04] <extor> wickedSA, so KVM also uses the disk image format?
[18:04] <extor> Non propreitary?
[18:04] <extor> well an LVM still shows up as a block device once you "map" it right
[18:05] <wickedSA> extor: yes. right
[18:19] <SamWhited> Anyone here know anything about configuring Tor with Polipo? I can't seem to get it to allow me to connect (for a while it was allowing only SSL connections, now it's refusing everything)
[19:09] <RudyValencia> OK is anyone in here familiar with configuring oidentd for IRC clients on a network?
[20:16] <demonspork> For anyone who remembers my problem with the slow SSH login, it is traced back to a crappy DNS server provided by the hosting company.
[20:16] <demonspork> now I am just using the google DNS
[20:28] <Qwert> Ubuntu-server runs on tty1. Is it recommended to install KDE or gnome?
[20:43] <mdlueck> Has recognition of USB drives been disabled in Ubuntu Server 10.04 recently? It was working fine about six or seven weeks ago, but not this weekend. Nothing shows up in syslog, and usually I see PnP messages in there.
[20:44]  * RoyK is somehow converting to openindiana these days.....
[20:44] <mdlueck> Both USB HDD's and USB Flash Drives
[21:16] <extor> What version of Xen does ubuntu server include as default?
[21:23] <mdlueck> extor: Depends on the version of ubuntu server, check http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[21:24] <extor> lets say "stable" ubuntu
[21:24] <qman__> extor, if you mean LTS, there are two currently supported LTS versions, 8.04 and 10.04
[21:25] <extor> qman__, I was just concerned whether it would permit me to overcommit RAM
[21:26] <qman__> well, the above link, http://packages.ubuntu.com/ will allow you to find out what version of xen is available for each supported version of ubuntu
[21:26] <mdlueck> extor: Ubuntu is a bit different than Debian... there are multiple "stable" releases at the same time.
[21:27] <extor> looks like 3.3
[21:27] <mdlueck> extor: for a new server, right now I would suggest 10.04 LTS
[21:27] <extor> 3.3.0-1ubuntu11: amd64 i386
[21:27] <extor> lucid
[21:27] <mdlueck> extor: Ja, lucid
[21:28] <qman__> yeah, go with lucid unless you run into hardware issues
[21:28] <extor> I already am running into hardware issues
[21:28] <extor> unfortunately
[21:28] <extor> Under centos 5.5
[21:29] <mdlueck> extor: If you have nothing at this time, make sure you DL the 10.04.1 updated images
[21:29] <qman__> I'm not a fan of centOS
[21:29] <extor> I'm becoming less of a fan of centOS by the day
[21:29] <qman__> but what I was getting at is that lucid has trouble on some obscure graphics cards
[21:30] <qman__> the new KMS and full resolution terminal setup doesn't have quite the same level of compatibility as the old way
[21:30] <extor> qman__, why would graphics matter on a server
[21:30] <extor> I ssh to it anyway
[21:30] <qman__> to install in the first place
[22:19] <corecode> hey
[22:20] <corecode> not sure if this is the right place:  anybody ever converted a mdadm RAID1 to a RAID4?
[22:20] <corecode> and/or expanded a RAID4?
[22:28] <RoyK> corecode: iirc you can't convert a mirror to something else
[22:29] <RoyK> corecode: also, why use raid4 when raid5 is around?
[22:29] <corecode> it is mostly read with low throughput, so i can put one drive to sleep
[22:30] <RoyK> corecode: still, I don't think you can move from a mirror to raid[456] without a backup/restore
[22:30]  * RoyK uses zfs for storage :þ
[22:36] <diana1068> hi everyone!! :)
[22:36] <diana1068> can anybody help with upgrading issue?
[22:38] <RoyK> just ask if you have an issue, but be precise
[22:43] <diana1068> i got a problem with upgrading my current kernel 2.6.32-24.43 to a newer one (2.6.32-25.1)
[22:44] <diana1068> im running ubuntu 10.04 lts
[22:44] <diana1068> i've received the update notification the other day, but couldnt fulfil it properly
[22:44] <diana1068> here is what i get in terminal http://pastebin.com/mWZstfDm
[22:45] <diana1068> (not fully english)
[22:46] <diana1068> i began to receive an errors even afater  after simple adding or removing programs in terminal, synaptic or soft center that failure
[22:47] <diana1068> applications work fine after such a weird installation thou
[22:47] <diana1068> its all about generic kernel i think. thats it. who got an idea?
[22:50] <EvilPhoenix> diana1068:  you'll need another pastebin...
[22:50] <EvilPhoenix> yours expired
[22:50] <diana1068> http://pastebin.com/z6GFJfbQ
[22:52] <EvilPhoenix> lines 34, 35, and 36 explain your main issue
[22:53] <EvilPhoenix> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-generic:  linux-generic depends on linux-image-generic (= <IP_ADDRESS>.27); however:  Package linux-image-generic is not configured yet.
[22:53] <EvilPhoenix> oop
[22:53] <EvilPhoenix> actually
[22:53] <diana1068> so what does it mean?
[22:54] <diana1068> is it serious?
[22:54] <EvilPhoenix> looks like there's more than one dpkg error
[22:54] <EvilPhoenix> i'd wait for the experts to come around though (i'm okay, but they know more than I_
[22:54] <EvilPhoenix> )
[22:56] <diana1068> ok.  thanks anyway :)
[23:01] <JanC> #
[23:01] <JanC> Running postinst hook script /usr/sbin/update-grub.
[23:01] <JanC> #
[23:01] <JanC> /etc/default/grub: 28: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution
[23:01] <JanC> that's the real bug
[23:02] <diana1068> how can i fix it?
[23:04] <JanC> can you put the contents of /etc/default/grub in a pastebin?
[23:04] <JanC> or maybe you can see the problem yourself when you look at that file
[23:05] <JanC> I suppose the problem is in line 28
[23:06] <diana1068> wait...
[23:06] <diana1068> i forgot to mention that i've edited this file before
[23:07] <diana1068> as i got a problems with iverheating of my toshiba's fan
[23:07] <diana1068> http://pastebin.com/6agMSSCq
[23:07] <diana1068> here it is
[23:09] <JanC> hm, no line 28, but the error message is for an error in line 9
[23:09] <JanC> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_osi=force"
[23:10] <JanC> try changing it to that
[23:10] <JanC> diana1068: ^^^
[23:12] <diana1068> this is what im afraid of actually
[23:12] <diana1068> this string is the main thing for the cou fan
[23:13] <JanC> it can never work like it is now  ☺
[23:13] <diana1068> some toshiba's laptops runs ok with that, some nees to be edited in my way
[23:13] <diana1068> but i'll try
[23:13] <JanC> and there is just the " too much
[23:13] <guntbert> diana1068: in line 9 there are 3 quotes (one too much or not enough)
[23:14] <hallyn> hggdh: glad it worked out :)
[23:14] <diana1068> how many quotes should i put there?
[23:14] <diana1068> oh, sorry
[23:14] <diana1068> u've already showed me :)
[23:16] <diana1068> so basically it's just because of quotes??
[23:19] <JanC> diana1068: double quotes inside double quotes doesn't work unless you escape them, but I doubt that it is required there, which is why I removed it
[23:20] <diana1068> its miracle my dear helper !
[23:21] <diana1068> it has updated
[23:21] <diana1068> its miracle my dear helper !
[23:21] <diana1068> i've got no errors inside of terminalits
[23:22] <diana1068> and it seemed to be all because of stupid quotes :)
[23:22] <JanC> and the fans work?  ;)
[23:25] <diana1068> it looks so
[23:25] <diana1068> but how could it work with 3 " before??
[23:27] <diana1068> im going to sleep now. thank u very much. KISSES
[23:27] <JanC> maybe because that line is only used when you run update-grub (which happens automaticly when you install a new kernel)
[23:37] <ruben23> any idea with this guys when i monut ntfs hdd on my ubuntu server4----------------> http://pastebin.com/6MXYhcnD
[23:37] <ruben23> mount ntfs on the additional hdd on my ubuntu server
[23:41] <qman__> ruben23, as the message indicates, there is a problem with your NTFS filesystem which needs to be repaired from within windows


[03:40] <Piju> SuMarDi, hehe
[03:43] <sweemeng_> yo
[03:45] <Piju> sweemeng_, hows hackerspacekl ?
[03:45] <sweemeng_> oh yeah!!!
[03:46] <sweemeng_> not sure what to say
[03:46] <sweemeng_> haah


[06:23] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:05] <Laney> hey
[08:05] <Laney> it's a nice day!
[08:08] <duflu> Morning Laney. You must have sent me your clouds. Haven't seen any for a long time till today
[08:11] <Laney> hey duflu
[08:11] <Laney> the prospect of rain must be welcome for you?
[08:12] <duflu> It's a novelty. Clouds are a novelty
[08:13] <Laney> we've had much less than the normal amount of rain recently
[08:18] <Laney> xnox: looks like you won the fight
[08:38] <andyrock> morning
[08:42] <Laney> hey andyrock
[08:42] <Laney> you good?
[08:43] <andyrock> not bad, enjoying spring
[08:43] <andyrock> what about you?
[08:44] <duflu> Morning andyrock
[08:44] <andyrock> hey duflu
[08:44] <davmor2> forgot to say morning all
[08:44] <davmor2> so morning all
[08:45] <davmor2> Laney: I see we have our first iso woohoo!
[08:45]  * duflu perks up
[08:45] <Laney> andyrock: not bad!
[08:48] <Laney> hi davmor2
[08:48] <Laney> yes, by one way of counting
[08:52] <xnox> Laney, it shall be forever known as the Motreal job
[08:53] <Laney> initctl stop upstart :'(
[09:02] <xnox> we will still need to do the great repeal act of unity* stuff
[10:00] <jbicha> good morning
[10:01] <jbicha> here's a bad bug (non-Ubuntu I believe): https://learntemail.sam.today/blog/freeing-disk-space-with-the-packagekit-cache/
[10:08] <davmor2> Laney: do you know why there are identical items in the notifications section of system settings for gnome at all? I thought it might be obvious when I clicked on them but neither of them are different
[10:10] <Laney> don't know what you mean
[10:12] <jbicha> davmor2: I think that's another side effect of the issue from LP: #1662296
[10:12] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1662296 in unity (Ubuntu) "Remap renamed .desktop files" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662296
[10:13] <davmor2> jbicha: ah okay that would make sense
[10:13] <jbicha> although gnome-control-center should probably not show stuff that has NoDisplay=true set
[10:14] <jbicha> I see duplicates for Archive Manager and Files which are apps where we duplicate the .desktop
[10:17] <Laney> I imagine you could add "&& !g_desktop_app_info_get_nodisplay (app)" here https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/panels/notifications/cc-notifications-panel.c#n515
[10:18] <Laney> or g_app_info_should_show()
[10:24] <jbicha> davmor2: are you going to follow up on the NoDisplay bug with GNOME?
[10:27] <davmor2> I'm doing some deep dive testing at the minute so as soon as that is over there will be a raft of bugs issuing forth so that the teams involved can decide what to kept and lose etc
[10:37] <Laney> jbicha: is there a gnome-software branch or package with the meson build somewhere?
[10:40] <jbicha> Laney: I have not done anything with gnome-software 3.24 (at least not since like Zesty Feature Freeze)
[10:42] <Laney> ok
[10:43] <jbicha> if you're working on meson though, maybe we should get the debhelper meson support into artful to try that out?
[10:47] <Laney> maybe, doesn't really matter to me
[10:47] <Laney> that's a trivial part of it
[10:48] <Laney> just didn't want to duplicate work
[10:51] <jbicha> the only meson thing I've done so far is https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-gnome/graphene.git/tree/debian/rules
[12:23] <oSoMoN> Sweetshark, hey, I was wondering what the rationale was for checking out the sources from git instead of using a release tarball in https://git.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/df-libreoffice/+git/libreoffice-snap-playground/tree/parts/plugins/x_libreoffice.py?h=xenial ?
[14:07] <xnox> Laney, are we going to maintain indicators, that are used by e.g. unity7 and other flavors? or are we gonna remove all of them?
[14:08]  * xnox at the moment skips everything that is in use by any other seeds, e.g. unity7
[14:09] <kenvandine> xnox, i've been thinking we'd just leave them in universe and see if anyone that needs them helps keep them working
[14:09] <kenvandine> s/leave/demote to/
[14:09] <ogra_> xnox, given sabdfl promised users that unity7 would be in universe in 18.04 they shouldnt be removed but just demoted (i guess the hope is MOTU picks them up or some community devs care for them)
[14:10]  * ogra_ high fives kenvandine
[14:10] <kenvandine> :)
[14:10] <Laney> 'given to the community' is a joke
[14:12] <gQuigs> I'd rather see us do a Gnome-Shell based "Unity Classic" mode or something
[14:12] <Laney> but as things stand I think, yes, leave unity 7 things
[14:13] <xnox> ogra_, there was no such promise about unity7... where did you see that? he said "ubuntu desktop team will work on replacing unity7 with gnome by 18.04 lts" when we remove unity7 is up to us.
[14:13] <ogra_> xnox, in his announcement and on G+
[14:13] <xnox> obviously we cannot remove unity7 things until we have switched to gnome and things mostly work.
[14:13] <ogra_> (and in a few interviews)
[14:13] <xnox> ogra_, do you have urls? i've stopped using g+ for a while now.
[14:13]  * xnox goes to google things
[14:14] <ogra_> i think OMGubuntu aggregated some of that
[14:14] <Laney> I wouldn't worry about it right now
[14:14] <ogra_> in an article or two
[14:14] <Laney> Just do the Unity 8 / phone stuff at first
[14:15] <jbicha> xnox: "Unity7 packages will continue to be carried in the archive, I know there are quite a few people who care enough about it to keep it up to date.
[14:15] <jbicha> I expect it will be in universe for 18.04 LTS." from https://plus.google.com/+MarkShuttleworthCanonical/posts/7LYubpaHUHH (his comment is about 30 comments down)
[14:15]  * xnox reads https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/ and there is nothing about keeping unity7 around
[14:16] <xnox> jbicha, Laney - i am sceptical that people care about keeping unity7 packages uptodate, given that the experience will degrade as we move things over to GNOME-like, e.g. menus disappearing and similar.
[14:17] <Laney> Fine, yes, I agree as I just said
[14:17] <Laney> but you don't have to solve all the problems at once
[14:17] <xnox> true.
[14:19] <Laney> :)
[14:19] <Laney> thanks for working on the deletions
[14:20] <ogra_> xnox, "Unity7 packages will continue to be carried in the archive, I know there are quite a few people who care enough about it to keep it up to date. I expect it will be in universe for 18.04 LTS" ... from marks comments in https://plus.google.com/+MarkShuttleworthCanonical/posts/7LYubpaHUHH ... it was spread by several news sites (phoronix, omgubuntu etc)
[14:20] <jbicha> ogra_: that's what I said! ;)
[14:20] <xnox> ogra_, well he can expect anything =) include unity8, convergence, and phone taking over the world ;-)
[14:20] <xnox> ogra_, well he can expect anything =) including unity8, convergence, and phone taking over the world ;-)
[14:20] <ogra_> (this is also where he says thet mir development for IoT goes on)
[14:21] <xnox> ogra_, sure, mir does; qtmir on the other hand....
[14:21] <ogra_> qtmir will surely live on somewhere in a ubports PPA
[14:21] <xnox> ogra_, foundations position is that we should not be keeping unmaintained bit-rotting code in the archive, and pretending that "well it can be there, because we don't really support it anyway"
[14:21] <ogra_> (if they find the manpower to make the project survive)
[14:22] <mdeslaur> xnox: oh! can I make you a list of all the unmaintained bit-rotting code that is in the default images? :)
[14:22] <ogra_> lol
[14:22] <ogra_> multi-screen in 6px font ?
[14:24] <xnox> mdeslaur, i know that you want to remove simply everything. =)
[14:24] <xnox> mdeslaur, where shall we start with unmaintained things: glibc, openssl, linux -> so many bugs, so many CVEs, unbelievable, worst deal ever.
[14:24] <xnox> mdeslaur, but honestly, if there are concerns about unmaintained things, yes let's look at what we want to drop.
[14:25] <xnox> mdeslaur, my mini-personal goal is to shrink main by 30%
[14:26] <mdeslaur> that would be nice
[14:26] <jbicha> xnox: I'll try not to nominate you for ~ubuntu-mir then ;)
[14:26] <mdeslaur> hehe
[14:27] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/graphs/packages.png
[14:28] <xnox> mdeslaur, so https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2016-February/016208.html caused 1521 packages to drop off?! nice =)
[14:28] <mdeslaur> xnox: yep! :)
[14:28]  * jbicha files more MIRs to get the graph back up to 8000 ;)
[14:29] <xnox> jbicha, has gnome exploded into thousand source packages yet?
[14:29]  * mdeslaur is happy jbicha is volunteering to do security updates!
[14:29] <jbicha> ugh
[14:29] <mdeslaur> hehe
[14:30] <mdeslaur> we only have a 74 usn backlog at the moment
[14:32] <ogra_> mdeslaur, just make sure the packages with USNs are on xnox's removal list ... done
[14:32] <mdeslaur> he mentioned php and the kernel, right? :)
[14:33]  * xnox would love to remove perl and php
[14:33] <ogra_> sublimal he did i think
[14:33] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/graphs/pkgs-xenial.png
[14:33] <ogra_> *sublimally
[14:34] <xnox> hmmmmm are we dropping oxide-qt and webbrowser-app?
[14:34] <kenvandine> xnox, i thought there was a kiosk use case we cared about there
[14:35] <xnox> kenvandine, yes, but i herd that doesn't use that, or does it?
[14:35] <xnox> kenvandine, yes, but i heard that it doesn't use that, or does it?
[14:35] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, ^^
[14:35] <ogra_> well, that would mean you need to keep the qml framework as well
[14:35]  * xnox ponders who from kiosk people i can talk to
[14:35] <ogra_> ... which definitely nobody maintains anymore
[14:36] <kenvandine> oSoMoN would likely know more about that
[14:36] <xnox> kenvandine, i heard it uses "chromium direct to mir" but i have no idea if that, in fact, is oxide-qt or not.
[14:36] <jbicha> yeah, it looks like oSoMoN is the only one to make oxide commits recently
[14:36] <ogra_> i also think you cant use the browser-support interface on UbuntuCore currently ... so kiosk is moot atm
[14:36] <ogra_> (probably desired though)
[14:37] <ogra_> kenvandine, i would expect such apps to be electron based in the end
[14:37] <kenvandine> ogra_, perhaps
[14:38] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, jbicha: I haven’t heard anything about the fate of oxide yet
[14:39] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, do you know if the kiosk work is based on oxide-qt in any way?
[14:39] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: oxide? ^
[14:40] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, i seem to remember some talk about that, but i wasn't involved so didn't really pay attention :)
[14:40] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, the prototype was, I don't know about the real thing though
[14:40] <kenvandine> ah
[14:41] <gQuigs> was there a real thing?  I've only seen a prototype?
[14:41] <gQuigs> ..
[14:43] <jdstrand> ogra_: you can use browser-support on core. it is no longer implicit classic. I tested this with mir on dragonboard and webbrowser-app
[14:44] <jdstrand> oSoMoN: that was the prototype ^
[14:44] <ogra_> jdstrand, ah, cool ... last time i checked (quite a while ago) it wasnt
[14:44]  * jdstrand worked to make the interfaces and policy work for the signage use case
[14:50] <xnox> oSoMoN, any idea who is working on the new world order kiosks?
[14:51] <oSoMoN> xnox, nope
[16:33] <kenvandine> jbicha, have you looked into the autopkgtest failures in shotwell?
[16:34] <kenvandine> UInput: UInputError('"/dev/uinput" cannot be opened for writing',)
[16:35] <jbicha> kenvandine: yes, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781802
[16:35] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 781802 in import "Ubuntu import autopkgtest fails with 0.26.1" [Major,New]
[16:36] <jbicha> is the ios8 patch more important or the regression it introduces? is the regression important or just a problem with the umock file? I don't know
[16:36] <kenvandine> interesting
[16:36] <kenvandine> ok
[16:38] <jbicha> I also opened https://bugs.debian.org/861579
[16:38] <ubot5`> Debian bug 861579 in shotwell "shotwell: 0100-ios8.patch fails Ubuntu's autopkgtest" [Normal,Open]
[20:45] <kenvandine> gnome-software uses a surprising amount of memory without even having the app open
[20:46] <kenvandine> virt, but still 1.6G is a bit crazy
[20:59] <jbicha> kenvandine: yes, bug 1592678 complains about other problems of it always running
[20:59] <ubot5`> bug 1592678 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "gnome-software starts very early in the session, slowing down boot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1592678