[21:28] <arraybolt3[m]> There's a user, dartz, who is being somewhat obnoxious in the #ubuntu chat, and also in the #kde chat (which I know we don't have control over but I'm seeing a pattern here). They're not quite to the point where I'd call !ops on them, but they're not far from it. Maybe someone could help get him back in line?
[21:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Also there are two more users (eric47 and rickard) who seem to be attacking the channel, with not-really-support messages that are cluttering things up. The whole channel has gotten derailed.


[12:03] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +176 cases (now 1.6 million), +6 deaths (now 27995), +16428 tests (now 11.0 million) since a day ago


[00:16] <LuckySMack> my desktop has a hardware raid in a raid1 configuration, with windows installed on it, and i have a second single non raided drive i will be installing ubuntu onto for dual boot. Do i need the alternate install disc because of the raid or can i use the standard desktop download
[00:18] <LuckySMack> im asking here since im trying to install Natty
[00:21] <LuckySMack> when trying to install natty, when it got to the process for installing grub, it says it finds my windows install where the loader is located and says it will install to the MBR so i can dual boot. But when i reboot i get no grub screen and it boots straight into windows. this is with my raid setup
[02:09] <methril> hi
[02:09] <methril> someone online?
[02:11] <BUGabundo> no
[02:12] <methril> BUGabundo, nice to see you :)
[02:13] <methril> i was updating one of my computers to Natty and i have a update problem with runit and bamfdaemon (& other daemons)
[02:13] <BUGabundo> :)
[02:13] <methril> any clue where to find?
[02:13] <methril> the solution?
[02:18] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: not sleeping yet? :)
[02:18] <BUGabundo> naaaa
[02:18] <BUGabundo> getting up late from bed
[02:18] <BUGabundo> suck to be out of work
[02:18] <kklimonda> ah :(
[02:20] <methril> it is safe to remove runit & git-daemon-run?
[02:20] <methril> those is getting missing dependencies
[02:21] <kklimonda> methril: it's your system, only you know if it's safe
[02:21] <kklimonda> methril: neither runit nor git-daemon-run is in main, so their removal won't break your system.
[02:21] <kklimonda> probably
[02:22] <methril> kklimonda, thank you :)
[02:23] <methril> kklimonda, i've some old dependencies from my first ubuntu install (updates are not allways good)
[03:20] <roasted_> Has anybody successfully installed the daily image of 11.04? I've tried it on 5 computers and it all fails to load up. MD5's match, used USB and CD, burned at slowest speed...
[03:32] <jdobrien> roasted_, I installed it using a USB..it installed ok
[03:32] <roasted_> what kind of computer did you install it on?
[03:33] <jdobrien> an old Dell e1505
[03:33] <jdobrien> laptop
[03:33] <roasted_> hm
[03:33] <roasted_> I tried a dell laptop and 4 hp desktops
[03:33] <roasted_> and my acer laptop
[03:34] <jdobrien> odd
[04:35] <bp0>  Is it possible to use the ubuntu installer to install ubuntu on another partition from within an existing ubuntu installation? I want to install natty in another partition but not burn a CD.
[05:49] <wobwobwobtones> Party in the +1!
[07:25] <twager> !nvidia
[09:29] <niooins> hello, isnt alpha 3 released?
[09:40] <firegrass> About 24hours ago updates to natty causing this fatal error "/sbin/lvm: error while loading shared libraries: libdevmapper-event.co.1.0.1: cannt open shared object file: No suchfile or directory" during booting
[09:42] <zniavre_> good morning
[09:43] <zniavre_> how is 173.XX.XX nvidia driver working in natty ?
[09:51] <benste> hi, anyone having issues downloading the files from the ubntu server ?
[09:52] <benste> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/alpha-3/natty-alternate-amd64.iso.torrent
[09:52] <benste> doesn't exist
[09:54] <rork> I can download that file without problems, However I tried to download the kubuntu ISO over bittorrent yesterday and it didn't start
[09:55] <rork> but I start ktorrent now and it started immediatly
[09:56] <rork> hm, no connection to a seeder though
[09:59] <benste> rork: thanks for your reply -- my FF needed a restart :-)) now I'm sharing the amd64-alternate
[10:10] <TerminX> I'm having a really weird issue in natty... every time I run vim in a terminal and quit it, compiz starts spinning somewhere and I have to kill -9 it from a vt
[10:10] <TerminX> happens in gnome-terminal and in a regular old xterm, makes no sense to me at all
[10:14] <susundbe1g> zniavre_: its not -- new Xorg does not support it afaik
[10:17] <TerminX> ah
[10:17] <TerminX> it's spinning in that damn inotify plugin
[10:36] <zniavre_> susundbe1g, thank you i will wait so
[13:24] <pmatulis> darn, Packages.gz is corrupt on us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64
[13:43] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:45] <alex_mayorga> Hello, can somebody help me triage/troubleshoot https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/727365
[13:50] <BluesKaj> still having some flash crashes , altho the flash player itself is fine ...mostly flash based ads are crashing , which is a bonus in some ways :)
[13:52] <vbabiy> Hey  guys will you be able to use the drawer mouse free?
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> Where is the config stored for the shortcuts screen (Shows when you press super on its own) please?
[14:01] <alex_mayorga> sorry got disconnected, did I miss anything on my java issue?
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> alex_mayorga: what's your java issue?
[14:01] <bazhang> nope
[14:02] <alex_mayorga> bug 727365
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> alex_mayorga: is it ok with sun java?
[14:03] <alex_mayorga> ActionParsnip: haven't try but I would guess
[14:03] <alex_mayorga> is sun-java still available?
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> alex_mayorga: its worth testing, just for completeness
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> alex_mayorga: sure
[14:03] <alex_mayorga> as it just crashed the same I'll try
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> Or can anyone tell me how the OS interprets apps as being available in the Email clients selection list....
[14:30] <enli> When I press alt+f1 / alt+f2 .. alt+f7, tty1, tty2,.. tty7 are opened. The shortcut used to be ctrl+alt+fX. This is very irritating. Does anybody know how to fix this?
[14:31] <enli> I am using ubuntu classic desktop, compiz and gtk-window-decorator if this helps.
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> enli: alt+f1 makes the unity bar show here
[14:33] <enli> ActionParsnip: I am not using unity interface, i am using classic desktop. What happens with alt+f2 on your side?
[14:34] <ActionParsnip> enli: nothing, although I keep meaning to install gmrun and map the command in compiz
[14:34] <BluesKaj> alt+f2 still opens the runbox here
[14:34] <enli> alt+f3?
[14:35] <enli> alt+f4 is supposed to close the window, which it does on my box but it also switches to tty4. Weired!
[14:35] <coz_> hey all
[14:35] <BluesKaj> hi coz_
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> enli: alt+f3 does zero, f4 will close the active window
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> enli: does it happen for all users?
[14:36] <BUGabundo> you mean ctrl+alt+ Fkey
[14:36] <enli> ActionParsnip: I am the only user on tis box. But I could try creating another user.
[14:36] <BUGabundo> are you forgeting Control key?
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> enli: thats the way :)
[14:36] <BluesKaj> alt+f3 opens the titlebar dialog here
[14:36] <scarleo> I can't get padevchooser to show up (Unity). pavucontrol, pavumeter and so on works fine. I launch from terminal and it holds the terminal but I never get the window
[14:37] <enli> BUGabundo: I press alt+f4 -> active window is closed but also tty4 is switched.. which is totally unwanted effect.
[14:37] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[14:37] <BluesKaj> neat . ctrl+f1 revovles the desktop, alt+f2 brings it back
[14:39] <BluesKaj> err sorry ctrl+f2
[14:40] <scarleo> someone else has the same problem?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> ctrl+F1,2,3,4 will revolve the desktop cube if you have it enabled
[14:41] <coz_> BluesKaj,  hey guy
[14:42] <yofel> does installing updates fail for anyone else? I get:
[14:42] <yofel> Setting up keyboard-configuration (1.57ubuntu9) ...
[14:42] <yofel> No protocol specified
[14:42] <yofel> Cannot open display ":0"
[14:42] <yofel> and dpkg errors out
[14:42] <BUGabundo> yofel: all updates working
[14:43] <BUGabundo> but some X ones
[14:43] <BUGabundo> that want to remove many other and ubuntu-desktop
[14:43] <BUGabundo> but I blame sarvat for that
[14:43] <BluesKaj> on my other box I have to use the recovery kernel to login
[14:43] <BUGabundo> keyboard-configuration:  Installed: 1.57ubuntu9
[14:44] <yofel> well, everything else works fine so far but this looks like keyboard-configuration doesn't want to configure without working X session (which my screen seems to have lost)
[14:45] <BUGabundo> I'm afraid to reboot right now
[14:45] <BUGabundo> lol
[14:45] <yofel> hm, no, doesn't work in usual konsole either..
[14:46] <yofel> wtf...
[14:49] <coz_>  hey guys
[14:51] <BluesKaj> yofel, upgrading now..I'll know in a min or 2
[14:52] <BluesKaj> err updating
[14:56] <BluesKaj> yofel, yup, I get the same error , dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of console-setup:
[14:57]  * BluesKaj uses a wireless KB & Mouse ...do I dare reboot ?
[14:58] <yofel> BluesKaj: I just filed lp 729108
[15:14] <enli> I am using ubuntu classic desktop and pressing alt+fX switches to ttyX. This happens to only current user. While upgrading from 10.10 update-manager hanged so I had to manually reboot the machine. What could be wrong?
[15:18] <Jorijn> hello, anyone tried natty with a dualscreen configuration?
[15:18] <mvo> enli: could you please report a bug with the content of /var/log/dist-upgrade/* ?
[15:18] <Jorijn> it starts up in mirrored mode, but as soon as I try to set both displays to their native resolution, some really weird shit happends
[15:19] <oCean> mind the language Jorijn
[15:19] <Jorijn> alright, some really weird stuff happends
[15:19] <Jorijn> :-)
[15:24] <BluesKaj> netsplit? ..cuz I di't reconn
[15:24] <patdk-wk> been for awhile now :(
[15:24] <patdk-wk> I'm so annoyed by them this week
[15:25] <patdk-wk> oh? a split while split
[15:25] <BluesKaj> anyway , here goes reboot
[15:41] <perscitus> Question, What happens when you remove panels from 11.04?
[15:41] <mwilson1023> if you remove it, I think you can get it back with a command. I forgot what the command was tho
[15:42] <mwilson1023> then ur stuck with unity :( lol
[15:42] <perscitus> What happens to the close buttons
[15:44] <coz_> perscitus,  you mean remove  Unity?
[15:45] <perscitus> no
[15:45] <perscitus> Unity is a shell
[15:45] <dholbach> Last day of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:45] <perscitus> There are people who dont want Panels on the desktop or launchers
[15:45] <mwilson1023> coz_, the panel at the top.
[15:45] <coz_> ah   perscitus  if you are going to do that especially on a large screen size  19" or above I would go with  classic gnome session
[15:46] <perscitus> then thats not unity
[15:46] <coz_> although the gnome panels are not reacting as they normally did in gnome
[15:46] <coz_> perscitus,  not its not but Unity is essentially geared towards small screen formats  thus  global menu
[15:46] <mwilson1023> perscitus, stick with the Ubuntu Classic Desktop for now. Unity is way to buggy at this stage.
[15:46] <coz_> no rather than "not"
[15:47] <perscitus> Unity doesnt offer much for customization does it
[15:47] <coz_> perscitus,  themes  wallpaper essentially the same general stuff as far i could see
[15:48] <perscitus>  themes are useless
[15:48] <coz_> hiding launcher panel
[15:49] <coz_> personally I see no real sense in using Unity if your screen size is above 15"
[15:49] <perscitus> and Unity squuezes out competition from other launcers
[15:49] <perscitus> launchers
[15:49] <coz_> cairo dock works
[15:50] <perscitus> coz_,  but can you remove launcher and panel? and just use cairo
[15:50] <coz_> perscitus, not easily if at all..however with the Unity plugin in ccsm you can set the launcher panel to autohide
[15:50] <mwilson1023> if you right-click on one of the unity dockbar icons by accident, you are forced to exit or remove it from the panel to get the menu to go away.
[15:51] <abhijeet> hi guys .. recently i got into problem after upgrading to ubuntu 11.04 rc...
[15:51] <coz_> mwilson1023,   mm  even if you click the desktop while that menu appears?
[15:51] <abhijeet> upgrade was not able to configure my graphics driver...
[15:51] <BluesKaj> ok, successful reboot
[15:51] <abhijeet> now I am running ubuntu in failface mode.
[15:52] <perscitus> coz_,  then thats a bug
[15:52] <abhijeet> how can i configure my ATI driver to get the windows
[15:52] <mwilson1023> yes
[15:52] <coz_> perscitus,  which ... no able to remove launcher panel?
[15:52] <perscitus> exactly
[15:52] <mwilson1023> coz_, basically it's not worth it, and I personally think that Ubuntu is doomed back to GNOME and OpenOffice.org someday.
[15:52] <coz_> perscitus,  not really,, it is, as I mentioned , design for small screen format systems only
[15:53] <coz_> mwilson1023,   I doubt openoffice  at least ...that is going to most likely stay libreoffice
[15:53] <mwilson1023> perscitus, preferably wide screen LCD, not normal desktop CRTs lol
[15:53] <abhijeet> any help guys to install ATi drivers
[15:53] <coz_> abhijeet,  I know nothing about ati
[15:54] <abhijeet> coz_, ok
[15:54] <coz_> abhijeet,  I would have assumed that would have been installed automatically
[15:54] <abhijeet> yes
[15:54] <perscitus> coz_,  except its coming to desktop
[15:54] <mwilson1023> coz_, I think they dropped OpenOffice.org because of a license problem or whatever. It's just what I've been using and I like it. OOo has much better support for .docx
[15:54] <coz_> perscitus,  yes but with two additional options...classic gnome  and classic gnome (no effects)
[15:55] <mwilson1023> (no effects) is the gnome desktop
[15:55] <abhijeet> does any one know command start the "addional driver" application...
[15:55] <coz_> mwilson1023,  I dont think there is much difference between the 2  but in all honesty I never use either one
[15:55] <abhijeet> as my task panes are coming
[15:55] <abhijeet> are not
[15:55] <coz_> abhijeet,    sudo  jockey-gtk
[15:55] <mwilson1023> the classic with effects still uses unity for me, and no effects goes back to gnome.
[15:55] <abhijeet> coz_, ok .. lemee try it..
[15:56] <mwilson1023> that's all I know
[15:56] <coz_> mwilson1023,  right
[15:56] <mwilson1023> oh, now I see what you are saying.
[15:56] <mwilson1023> nvm lol
[15:56] <coz_> mwilson1023,  well actually classic gnome starts  compiz  as long as you disable the Unity plugin in ccsm
[15:57] <mwilson1023> Compiz > Unity
[15:57] <coz_> mwilson1023,  well compiz = Unity is not correct
[15:58] <coz_> mwilson1023,  unity is netbook without mutter as the compositor ,,, compiz has taken its place
[15:58] <mwilson1023> and I didn't know that.
[15:58] <mwilson1023> coz_, I kno, but compiz looks awesomer :)
[15:58] <perscitus> Remove 'Classic' from all thoughts
[15:58] <coz_> mwilson1023,  and works much better than mutter  ,, which is why the switch :)
[15:59] <mwilson1023> and my First Person Shooters don't work in Natty, so I'm sticking to 10.10 :D
[15:59] <coz_> perscitus,  i cant use Unity on dual monitors  its useless under those conditions
[15:59] <perscitus> coz_,  yet another bug
[15:59] <coz_> perscitus,  no not a bug at all... as I said ,,,Unity is designed for small screens
[16:00] <perscitus> ITS COMING TO DESKTOP
[16:00] <perscitus> meaning large screens
[16:00] <coz_> perscitus,  no I use classic gnome
[16:00] <coz_> perscitus, you have the options of Unity or classic gnome
[16:00] <perscitus> Launcher position sucks on dual or triple monitors
[16:01] <coz_> well it is what it is ...you have to deal with it or switch to classic gnome
[16:01] <perscitus> Launcher is better off at the bottom so it can be displayed on all monitors
[16:02] <coz_> perscitus,  well let me say this one more time...Unity is not desined for large screen formats...just as original mac used their version of global menu because their screens were 9"
[16:03] <coz_> perscitus,  anything larger is a waiste of work time
[16:03] <coz_> perscitus,  that's why classic gnome is offered
[16:03] <perscitus> Unity is going to be fail on Natty
[16:04] <coz_> oh boy  ok  I am out of here,,, time to eat lunch
[16:05] <psusi> unity is really starting to get into shape, but I still wish they would disable the global menu for unmaximized windows, and most certainly get rid of it when logging in with the classic desktop
[16:05] <psusi> classic desktop should mean classic desktop... not something that kind of approximates it
[16:07] <cozziemoto> psusi,  global menu should not be available in classic gnome
[16:07] <cozziemoto> certainly not by default
[16:08] <psusi> cozziemoto: I agree, but there it is... you get just the single ubuntu icon on the top left corner with the other usual menus folding out from there, and a global menu where the system menus normally are
[16:08] <cozziemoto> psusi, last i tried natty that was not the case,, if in fact it is now...it has to be a major mistake  or glitch and should be reported
[16:09] <psusi> cozziemoto: been that way all along, still was last night...
[16:09] <cozziemoto> psusi,  no it has not... in classic gnome you get classice gnome panels
[16:09] <cozziemoto> no global menu
[16:09] <perscitus> Classic Ubuntu  will have massive following in April/May
[16:09] <psusi> cozziemoto: yea, you get the pannels, but they are modified... instead of having system, applications, etc, you just get the single ubuntu icon that folds out into those submenus
[16:10] <cozziemoto> psusi,  then right click that and remove from panel and then right click panel and use menu bar
[16:10] <psusi> yea, I figured you could do that.. but should be like that by default ;)
[16:10] <cozziemoto> psusi,  it was last time I have used it
[16:11] <cozziemoto> even pre alpha
[16:11] <psusi> hd install or livecd?
[16:11] <cozziemoto> certai ly alpha
[16:11] <cozziemoto> psusi,   hard drive
[16:11] <psusi> yuo configured your system to be like that then and so it has persisted... try the daily live cd
[16:11] <cozziemoto> psusi,  I only used the daily builds
[16:11] <cozziemoto> psusi,  I never got global menu in classic gnome
[16:12] <cozziemoto> psusi,  check md5sums on the iso image  burn at 1x  max  then check cd for erros before installing
[16:12] <psusi> cozziemoto: I use usb
[16:12] <psusi> and zsync daily so the image is not corrupt ;)
[16:13] <cozziemoto> ok i dont know what to say,,,
[16:13] <cozziemoto> lunch time
[16:38]  * BluesKaj wonders if the netsplits are going to settle down soon ..this has been going on for over an hr.
[16:39] <BluesKaj> [Notice] -tomaw- [Global Notice] Hi again.  As you will have noticed we're having some connectivity problems again this afternoon.  We're working with sponsors to rectify it.
[16:41] <charlie-tca> BluesKaj: actually, netsplits been bad most of this week
[16:44] <free_node_failin> bye
[16:46] <BluesKaj> yeah charlie-tca, today's are especially bad , I'm trying to recover from a partially broken update and thought I needed some advice , but managed to muddle tg\hru
[17:10] <Abhijeet> guys .. i broke my ubuntu system after upgrade.. now I am not getting any gui as the Ati driver are not properly installl
[17:11] <Abhijeet> how can i resolve it..
[17:11] <Abhijeet> i have already removed the fglrx driver from my systemmm
[17:11] <Abhijeet> still facing the black screen after booting
[17:13] <Abhijeet> any help guys...
[17:14] <charlie-tca> complete shutdown, then restart has been working for me
[17:14] <charlie-tca> restart alone doesn't seem to work, though
[18:55] <gavin_> I have updated to 11.04 but not too keen on Unity (probably just not used to it) can I revert back?
[18:56] <gavin_> sorry.. revert back to standard desktop but still be on 11.04
[18:57] <rww> gavin_: change your session type at the login manager screen.
[18:58] <gavin_> thank you rww:I will keep having a look at Unity but doesnt work for me just now.
[19:33] <nperry> Humm, compiz-decorator seems to seg fault.
[19:33] <nperry> How do i debug to get an error message?
[22:12] <nperry> Evening people.. trying to test gnome3 in natty, however getting this error, any ideas? GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.desktop.interface' does not contain a key  named 'automatic-mnemonics'
[22:21] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:24] <benste> hi there - someone manged to install the A3amd64alternate on an existing ext4 LVM ?
[22:24] <benste> my partman stops loading - only blue screen - if launching manually it reappears, but stops at 52%
[22:24] <benste> + i got 2 messages in the system log that 2 packages should be missing - should i report this on LP ?
[22:25] <benste> libnewt0.52
[22:25] <benste> und ext2-modules
[22:40] <Daekdroom> Can anyone try reproducing bug #729392 in unity?
[22:40] <benste> Daekdroom: i didn't even mange to install the system :-)
[22:40] <benste> Daekdroom: btw unity 2d or 3d ?
[22:40] <Daekdroom> benste, 3d
[22:41] <benste> sry, installing in a VM woun't be able to test 3d
[22:41] <Daekdroom> Thanks for the interest anyway
[22:45] <kklimonda> hole BUGabundo
[22:45] <kklimonda> hola even
[22:46] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:47] <BUGabundo> how's the world on your side?
[22:47] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I live not so far from you ;)
[22:47] <kklimonda> it's cold
[22:47] <kklimonda> damn cold
[22:47] <BUGabundo> moved to spain ? :P
[22:49] <kklimonda> well, not *that* close but Poland is still on your side ;)
[22:49] <yofel> means I'm nearer. Still freezeing cold here though :S
[22:54] <BUGabundo> +7ºC here
[22:55] <BUGabundo> but a friend is reporting -1 down south
[23:00] <rww> X.org still has issues? Or can I remove that /topic section?
[23:01] <BUGabundo> I have a few X updates strugling
[23:01] <BUGabundo> not sure it helps you
[23:01] <rww> the buglist Bryce linked to still has a bunch of stuff on it, so I'll leave it be.
[23:02] <charlie-tca> seems warm there. Idaho is up to +2C already, and it is 16:00 local time
[23:02] <BUGabundo> LOL charlie-tca


[15:53] <DarkFeather> Anyone know how to make BranchReferences?
[21:42] <vila> DarkFeather: I'm pretty sure this is not supported properly across the board
[21:43] <vila> DarkFeather: symlinks are supported though, the symlink name and the target that is, /not/ the content of the target
[21:46] <DarkFeather> Yeah....
[21:47] <DarkFeather> I'll probably move to git for read-only subtrees.
[21:47] <DarkFeather> I got to have a good heart-to-heart in #archlinux and frankly git is more standard and more likely to have the features I'm looking for. The symlink workaround's not so great.
[21:57]  * fullermd sneaks up behind vila and ties his shoelaces together.
[22:00] <DarkFeather> That's not nice.


[00:04] <WaSeidel> hi people
[00:04] <WaSeidel> i need help
[00:05] <micahg> WaSeidel: just ask your question
[00:07] <WaSeidel> a long, looong time ago i created an account on wiki.ubuntu.com but i don't log in almost 2 years ago, and now i'm trying to get in to edit my wiki to get reconected with the comunity and i get surprised when i encountered a launchpad integration an it asked for my old password at the wiki and it says me tha password is wrong
[00:07] <WaSeidel> and i can't get in to my old account
[00:08] <WaSeidel> sorry my english i'm from Colombia
[00:08] <micahg> WaSeidel: you can't get in using your LP credentials?
[00:09] <WaSeidel> to launchpad i can get in but to wiki i can't
[00:09] <micahg> WaSeidel: try to clear your cookie for wiki.ubuntu.com, it should prompt you to use your launchpad credentials now
[00:11] <WaSeidel> micahg: i yes i already do, and it ask me for my password and e-mail on launchpad i write and log in launchpad and it aske again for the password on wiki.ubuntu.com my old user in the wiki was waseidel
[00:11] <WaSeidel> i don't know if the user can be deleted and i create it again...
[00:12] <WaSeidel> if i ask for a forgotten password it send me to remember my password but in launchpad
[00:12] <WaSeidel> and i need the password on wiki.ubuntu.com for the user waseidel
[00:13] <micahg> WaSeidel: try asking in here: #ubuntu-website\
[00:13] <micahg> oops...without the backslash
[00:13] <WaSeidel> hmm ok micahg thanks
[00:14] <WaSeidel> you was so helpfull
[00:18] <vadi2> Is it known that loggerhead is being broken? giving a 500 internal server error a when trying to download a file
[00:44] <bjsnider> where are the instructions for adding ppa sources to pbuilder?
[01:04] <mrooney> is there a way to cancel a package waiting to build in a PPA?
[01:04] <mrooney> I realized I uploaded a bad one, it claims to have 16 hours left in the queue, so I'd like to cancel it
[01:06] <mrooney> I see I can delete the pending package, perhaps that wlil work
[01:38] <hggdh> mrooney: IIRC, yes, it will work
[01:50] <McPeter> any staff here please ?
[01:57] <wgrant> McPeter: Not likely on a weekend. What do you need?
[01:57] <McPeter> big problem on launchpad user account
[01:57] <McPeter> sorry for my english .. i'm french
[01:58] <McPeter> an user create an account to … put a pedo link
[01:58] <McPeter> (really sorry for my english)
[01:58] <wgrant> McPeter: Ah, wonderful. Ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, and an admin will disable the account.
[01:58] <McPeter> you know abuse address ?
[01:58] <McPeter> ah ok
[01:58] <McPeter> thanks
[01:59] <maxb> mrooney: Or, you can just upload a new version - the superseded version will then not start to build.
[01:59] <maxb> bjsnider: Do there need to be instructions?
[01:59] <wgrant> maxb: Deletion achieves the same thing.
[02:00] <maxb> Yes, I'm just saying you don't need to bother if you're uploading a new version anyway
[02:00] <McPeter> Member since:  2009-12-04
[02:00] <McPeter> :\
[02:00] <wgrant> Ah.
[02:00] <McPeter> two account
[02:00] <McPeter> pfuu -__-
[02:09] <bjsnider> maxb, if not, how is it done?
[02:09] <bjsnider> i did it awhile back and forgot how it was accomplshed
[02:09] <wgrant> bjsnider: The same as any other repository?
[02:12] <bjsnider> there's nothing about it in the wiki instructions
[02:16] <McPeter> sorry wgrant "https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion" is public or private ?
[02:21] <maxb> bjsnider: A PPA is just another apt repository. Why would PPAs have special documentation about pbuilder?
[02:23] <bjsnider> maxb, how are new repositories added to pbuilder?
[02:23] <maxb> ah, now we're getting closer to the issue :-)
[02:24] <maxb> In which case I would say : Not a launchpad issue, please transfer to #ubuntu-motu
[02:24] <bjsnider> meh, nm
[02:24] <maxb> Or, sulk. :-(
[02:35] <wgrant> McPeter: That's public.
[02:36] <McPeter> ok thanks .. i send mail
[02:36] <McPeter> i thinks is better (for not diffuse accounts)
[02:45] <mrooney> wgrant: the pending versions are gone from the main page of https://edge.launchpad.net/~mrooney/+archive/wxbanker-testing but it still says they are pending builds, is that a problem?
[02:56] <wgrant> mrooney: The moment a buildd attempts them, it will see that they are superseded, and abort the attempt.
[02:57] <mrooney> wgrant: okay, so they are superseded by deletion, even though I didn't upload a new version?
[02:58] <wgrant> mrooney: Right.
[02:58] <mrooney> because right now it shows the most recent version as "superseded" which is slightly confusing
[03:05] <wgrant> mrooney: You mean it shows as 'Deleted' when you filter for 'Superseded'?
[03:49] <mrooney> wgrant: it seems well now, thanks :)
[03:49] <mrooney> oh boy internal server error on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~habnabit/wxbanker/wxbanker-fixed-imports/revision/428
[03:50] <mrooney> that's my favorite
[03:54] <sachin6870> Hi
[03:55] <sachin6870> I am running in to Error ID:         OOPS-1436A479
[03:55] <sachin6870> any idea?
[03:57] <wgrant> sachin6870: What were you attempting to do?
[04:45] <sachin6870> I am trying add bug.
[04:46] <sachin6870> wgrant, sorry for late repply
[04:46] <sachin6870> reply
[04:46] <sachin6870> I am trying to add a bug as "Need packaging"
[05:24] <mwhudson> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1436A479 -> OperationalError at /oops.py/ database is locked
[05:24] <mwhudson> this is somewhat ironic
[05:24] <mwhudson> matsubara-afk: hi :-)
[05:25] <wgrant> mwhudson: Awesome.
[05:25] <wgrant> sachin6870: Try using a shorter summary to start of with.
[05:25] <wgrant> sachin6870: I suspect it's taking too long to find similar bugs.
[05:32] <sachin6870> ok
[05:42] <sachin6870> @ wgrant, Thanks, your suggestion worked!!!
[05:44] <wgrant> sachin6870: Great. There's ongoing work to resolve this issue.
[05:47] <sachin6870> ok
[10:33] <sayakb> hi! is there anything wrong with people.ubuntu.com login? I get an auth error
[10:46] <wgrant> sayakb: Try #canonical-sysadmin
[10:46] <sayakb> wgrant: thanks
[11:11] <domas> hi! loggerhead is spewing out 500s all the time!
[11:53] <McPeter> hi
[11:53] <McPeter> always any staff member here ?
[11:57] <McPeter> tshirtman, :)
[11:57] <tshirtman> hi, I think someone should check this, very offending "projects" on launchpad please see https://launchpad.net/~staiaheat and https://launchpad.net/~stragglgrtgu there is *pedo*pornography in theses... thanks
[11:57] <tshirtman> McPeter: :)
[11:57] <McPeter> rhaa tshirtman :--(
[11:58] <McPeter> tshirtman, discret ☭☠@⎈⁂㌶☣⚡☠
[11:58] <tsimpson> tshirtman: you should report them at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[11:59] <McPeter> tshirtman, i report them
[11:59] <McPeter> by mail yesterday
[11:59] <McPeter> i won't post them on public area
[12:00] <tshirtman> yes I know, but it's a long time reaction for such a thing
[12:00] <McPeter> (sorry for my english .. i'm french) (again)
[12:00] <McPeter> tshirtman, account created 04 december
[12:03] <wgrant> LOSAs: ^^
[12:10] <matsubara-afk> mwhudson, fixed
[12:28] <domas> loggerhead is still 500'ing
[12:28] <domas> whatever I do on it
[12:32] <McPeter> tshirtman, i found 4 new account
[12:32] <McPeter> :'(
[12:33] <McPeter> 6 accounts
[12:34] <tshirtman> McPeter: at least they used easy to identify tags
[17:50] <decora> my .diff.gz file is almost entirely a bunch of automake stuff... it really clutters up my patch... why does it do that?
[17:50] <decora> i only changed 3 or 4 lines of an Makefile.am, but there are thousands of lines of modified stuff in the .diff.gz
[17:56] <maxb> That's automake for you. The alternative is to run the autotools generation as part of the build
[18:02] <decora> maxb: you mean as part of the debuild before I upload? or...
[18:04] <maxb> No, as part of what runs on the buildds
[18:05] <decora> maxb: how would one go about doing that?
[18:08] <decora> example... i have a huge diff from mypackage-0.26/aclocal.m4      the original was generated by aclocal 1.10.1, the new by aclocal 1.10.2
[18:09] <decora> maybe if i had the same version autotools as the original? but then id have to downgrade some ubuntu packages on my build system....
[18:17] <decora> maxb: thank you for the information... im signing off.
[18:23] <adiroiban> hi. By mistake I have deleted the message from Martin Albisetti with the balsamiq activation . Does someone still have that email in his/her inbox ? Thanks!
[18:35] <maxb> adiroiban: try the web archive of the list
[18:38] <adiroiban> maxb: tried that... but the serial is not archived :(
[18:45] <domas> hmmmm
[18:45] <domas> loggerhead is broken whole day
[18:49] <maxb> domas: Weekends are unfortunate :-(
[18:54] <nigel_nb_> launchpad seems to have some trouble with branches
[18:55] <nigel_nb_> every time I try view the contents of the branch I get "Internet Server Error", goes away after refreshing, happens with everything inside the content, i.e. navigating inside the content
[18:57] <domas> [20:45:15]  <domas> loggerhead is broken whole day
[18:57] <domas> =)
[18:57] <domas> and yes
[18:57] <domas> would be nice if anyone fixed it
[18:57] <nigel_nb_> is that why this is happening?
[18:58] <domas> loggerhead is the BZR web interface
[18:58] <nigel_nb_> aw :(
[19:00] <nigel_nb_> domas: thanks for letting me know, I'll work around it :)
[19:01] <domas> you can bzr pull it somewhere and run loggerhead yourself! :)
[19:02] <nigel_nb_> actually, someone wanted to see a file in what I pushed, I'm askin them to pull :)
[19:03] <domas> hehe, I blogged yesterday, and one of two links have been to BZR revision: http://mituzas.lt/2009/12/05/on-replication-compatibility/
[19:03] <domas> now Launchpad spoils my joe
[19:03] <domas> joke
[19:03] <domas> entirely
[19:04] <nigel_nb_> to an extend if u refresh a coupla times, it comes on
[19:04] <domas> d
[19:04] <domas> doesn't come up even after twenty
[19:04] <domas> :(
[19:04] <nigel_nb_> okay, that joke got entirely spoiled :P
[19:05] <domas> that revision was removal of large chunk of code
[19:05] <nigel_nb_> aww
[19:05] <domas> the joke was way too good to trust launchpad :(
[19:05] <nigel_nb_> now everyone will think the joke is about internal server error
[19:05] <domas> yep
[19:05] <domas> :(
[19:06] <nigel_nb_> I guess the breakage is in the revision part
[19:06] <nigel_nb_> you can open the files if u refresh enough
[19:09] <domas> doh, had to add patch myself
[19:09] <domas> http://p.defau.lt/?d712JuNmD2DXJMjcT_GCxg :)
[19:09] <domas> now you can see the joke!
[19:13] <nigel_nb_> domas: that big bunch of comments are yours right?
[19:13] <domas> nooooo
[19:13] <domas> I just nuked the code
[19:13] <domas> all of it
[19:14] <nigel_nb_> haha
[19:53] <_habnabit> I'm getting a 500 error when I try to view the content of branches. Known issue?
[19:54] <_habnabit> Hmm. I haven't found a branch that I *can* view the content of.
[19:54] <nigel_nb_> _habnabit: yes, loggerhead is down
[19:55] <_habnabit> Ah dang.
[19:56] <_habnabit> (Any idea when it'll be back up?)
[19:56] <mwhudson> soon, hopefully
[19:56] <nigel_nb_> no clue :(
[19:56] <nigel_nb_> me too waiting fer it to be up
[19:58] <nigel_nb_> thanks mwhudson :)
[19:58] <mwhudson> nigel_nb_, _habnabit: should be back now
[19:58] <_habnabit> Sweet. There it is.
[19:58] <_habnabit> Thanks!
[19:58] <nigel_nb_> thank you
[20:04] <mwhudson> hooray for having a sysadmin in nz now :)
[20:04] <nigel_nb_> mwhudson: hehe
[21:01] <Joe_CoT> hi, i'm the admin of a team on launchpad. How do I remove that team from another team (ie deactivate it). Not seeing it on the help site, and I can' t seem to find where to do it.
[21:12] <maxb> I would imagine that it would be on https://launchpad.net/~otherteam
[21:43] <kb9vqf> Any idea why packages published to my PPA a couple days ago are not showing up yet as available updates on user's computers
[21:44] <kb9vqf> ^^^^ specifically this package here: https://launchpad.net/~kde3-maintainers/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/893248/+listing-archive-extra  ?
[21:46] <kb9vqf> Anyone? :)
[21:49] <wgrant> kb9vqf: They're in the archive, so it's not a Launchpad problem.
[21:50] <kb9vqf> wgrant: OK, any idea why an apt-get update would fail to recognize them as updates?
[21:50] <wgrant> kb9vqf: The user is either behind a transparent proxy, is on an architecture not supported by your PPA, or is not running Karmic.
[21:50] <kb9vqf> The user is me :)
[21:50] <kb9vqf> I am running Karmic, hmmm...maybe the proxy
[21:50] <wgrant> OK, then you are either behind a transparent proxy, is on an architecture not supported by your PPA, or is not running Karmic. :P
[21:50]  * kb9vqf goes to check
[21:56] <mars> looks like someone snuck past the account creation challenge question: ~adipex
[22:00] <wgrant> mars: There is a rather more sinister version of that, a few instances of which were reported overnight.
[22:01] <mars> wgrant, even better: check this page out: http://www.downarchive.com/dl/https:launchpad.net~carolannhaney+product+https:launchpad.net~aubrianawesse+seeding+https:launchpad.net~gyldatakah++https:launchpad.net~brikhooke+saf.html
[22:01] <mars> even better still, try highlighting some text
[22:02] <mars> we should just search for every project with the word "Buy" in it
[22:03] <kb9vqf> darn, that's the second time the proxy has bitten me wrt Launchpad
[22:03] <kb9vqf> thanks for the pointer though!
[22:03]  * kb9vqf feels like an idiot
[22:04] <mars> wgrant, http://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Alaunchpad.net+intitle%3ABuy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[22:05] <wgrant> mars: That seems to work quite well.
[22:05] <mars> :D
[22:06] <mars> wgrant, I'll tell the LOSAs
[22:06] <kb9vqf> O_o
[22:06] <mars> I should set a Google Alert for that search
[22:06] <mwhudson> yikes
[22:11] <tshirtman> ah, at least, we reported more than a few {child,}porn "projects" on launchpad yesterday, I hope it will be solved quickly a search on "adult" found some too
[22:11] <mars> eew
[22:13]  * thumper shakes his head
[22:13] <thumper> geez... some people
[22:14]  * ajmitch wonders how much log info is available about the people who registered such projects
[22:44] <mtaylor> lifeless: which ones should I bug?
[22:46] <nhandler> Wasn't launchpad going to get more buildds? Right now, a PPA package has an estimated start of 15 hours (due to the large queue size)
[22:54] <lifeless> mtaylor: chex or spm
[22:54] <lifeless> spm will start in about 10 minutes
[22:54] <lifeless> so I'd say spm
[22:56] <mtaylor> lifeless: awesome
[22:57] <mtaylor> spm: ping
[23:07] <spm> mtaylor: heyo
[23:08] <mtaylor> spm: hi there
[23:08] <mtaylor> spm: wanted to chat with you about doing a server-side bzr upgrade of the drizzle branches to --2a
[23:09] <spm> heh. can't for the life of me think why you'd rather do it that way ;-)
[23:11] <mtaylor> spm:  :)
[23:14] <thumper> mtaylor: all of them?
[23:14] <thumper> mwhudson: I don't suppose we have any scripts yet do we?
[23:15] <mwhudson> thumper: jkakar wrote one, i think spm already has it
[23:15] <thumper> cool
[23:15] <spm> unf it broke; so :-/
[23:16] <mtaylor> thumper: that would be great... but lp:drizzle, lp:drizzle/build and lp:drizzle/staging would be the most important ones if all of them is an issue
[23:16] <thumper> mtaylor: any branch that is stacked on an upgraded one will be invalid after
[23:17] <thumper> mtaylor: when we did the LP branches, we did a kind of bait-and-switch
[23:17] <thumper> mtaylor: we made copies of the main branches
[23:17] <thumper> mtaylor: changed the stacking of all existing branches to point to the copies
[23:17] <thumper> mtaylor: then upgraded the main ones (kinda)
[23:18] <mtaylor> thumper: yeah - I think the stacked thing is the reason lifeless was suggesting we just upgrade all of the branches
[23:18] <thumper> mtaylor: we could probably do something similar
[23:18] <thumper> spm: what broke?
[23:18] <mtaylor> thumper: ah. I follow you with the bait-and-switch though
[23:19] <spm> thumper: tbh, I don't recall; was about 2 weeks ago. jkakar seemed in "argh" mode, so it made sense to him.
[23:19] <thumper> hmm
[23:19] <lifeless> spm: the script didn't break
[23:20] <lifeless> spm: the data it was operating on was broken
[23:20] <thumper> spm: would you be interested in a server side script?
[23:20] <spm> lifeless: details details. ;-)
[23:20] <spm> thumper: sure
[23:20] <lifeless> spm: important details
[23:20]  * thumper looks at the drizzle branches
[23:21] <lifeless> thumper: read jkakars script; it does it all, when run by spm
[23:23] <thumper> spm: can you email me jkakar's script?
[23:23] <spm> thumper: sure. see if I can find it.
[23:24] <lifeless> spm: here is how to upgrade drizzle.
[23:24] <lifeless> spm: 1) get mtaylor to patch http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26166834/fix-branch.py into Jamu's script.
[23:24] <lifeless> 2) run the patched script
[23:25] <lifeless> mtaylor: you have the script don't you? jkakar mailed it to you I think.
[23:26] <mtaylor> lifeless: was just looking... it doesn't look like I do
[23:27] <mtaylor> ah
[23:27] <mtaylor> lp:autolp
[23:27] <mtaylor> relies on
[23:27] <mtaylor> lp:commandant
[23:30] <spm> mtaylor: yes. "You need to checkout lp:autolp and lp:commandant and put them in your Python path."
[23:30] <thumper> mtaylor: have you tried a 2a conversion locally for drizzle?
[23:31] <mtaylor> thumper: I have
[23:31] <thumper> mtaylor: how long did it take?
[23:31] <mtaylor> thumper: well, I'm running one right now that's been running for 15 minutes
[23:32] <thumper> mtaylor: LP took ages
[23:32] <thumper> like 10 hours
[23:32] <mtaylor> oh, this doesn't take 10 hours
[23:32] <mtaylor> I think 20 - 30 minutes is about the norm
[23:34] <thumper> mtaylor: does 'bzr check' on lp:drizzle finish fine?
[23:35] <mtaylor> thumper: don't know - I've never run that
[23:35] <thumper> hmm..
[23:35] <thumper> lifeless: isn't it advisable to run that first?
[23:43] <poolie> hello mtaylor, lifeless
[23:43] <mtaylor> hi poolie
[23:45] <spm> thumper: yes. istr that was where we fellover with LS on a very old branch that was up first - by sheer chance.
[23:46]  * thumper runs `bzr check lp:drizzle` on devpad
[23:47] <thumper> seeing this for bzr progress is good... 53865KB 10166KB/s | checking commit contents:inventories 0/2
[23:47] <thumper> 10MB/s :)
[23:48] <mtaylor> thumper: 241KB/s is what I get
[23:53] <lifeless> thumper: I've checked drizzle already
[23:53] <lifeless> thumper: it was in good shape
[23:53] <thumper> lifeless: ok, cool
[23:53] <thumper> lifeless: and you endorse jkakar's script?
[23:53] <lifeless> he wrote it based on my advice ;)
[23:54] <lifeless> which isn't quite the same thing ;)
[23:54] <lifeless> but I think it will be fine
[23:54] <spm> hahahahahahaha. brillian! :-D
[23:54] <lifeless> ofcourse, I'm on leave, so anything goes ;)
[23:54] <jkakar> Hiyas. :)
[23:54] <spm> hey jkakar!!!
[23:54] <jkakar> It really needs to have the "fix missing revision script" added to it to work well.
[23:55] <jkakar> But if the branches you're trying to upgrade don't have that issue it *should* work.  I've tested it on individual branches without that issue and it worked fine.
[23:55] <jkakar> spm: Hiya. :)
[23:55] <thumper> jkakar: when are you going to integrate the fix missing revision bits?
[23:55] <jkakar> thumper: It was on my todo list for last week but I didn't get to it.
[23:56] <jkakar> thumper: I'll get to it this week since we need it to upgrade landscape-client brnaches.
[23:56] <thumper> jkakar: cool
[23:56] <jkakar> thumper: I'm only here for a few minutes just now, or I'd do it now.
[23:57] <thumper> jkakar: slacker
[23:57] <thumper> jkakar: :)
[23:57] <jkakar> thumper: You know me well. :)


[00:43] <ScottL> installling now, first testing install from menu, then i'll try boot live and then install
[01:33] <ScottL> okay, installed direct (i.e. without live boot) and phasex and aeolus both started
[01:33] <ScottL> i don't really do midi/synth stuff so i didn't know what to really do with them </embarrassed grin>
[01:36] <ScottL> booting into live now and then will install
[02:27] <ScottL> len__, both aeolus and phasex worked for me right after installing from live boot as well
[03:35] <len__> ScottL, I think I will invalidate the bugs then. Maybe there has been a lib change from yesterday to today. Both of my boxes work now too.
[03:49] <len> One of the bugs was already invalidated... not enough stack trace to mean anything. They did seem to think wrong lib version might be it though.
[04:01] <len__> Most synths are easy to test ScottL, plug the virt keyboard to midi in and the output to jack... press some keys on the virt keys and hear sound ;-)
[04:05] <len__> aeolus is harder, the manual has to have the midi input assigned to it and sounds selected.
[04:06] <len__> aeolus is able to be played like a 3 manual pipe organ if you have three midi keyboards and a set of pedals.
[19:33] <scott-work> astraljava: yeah, i was confused by the comment on the cinerella bug
[19:33] <scott-work> but quite frankly, it's kinda not an appropriate comment either way
[20:14] <astraljava> scott-work: True, wrong bug totally. :)
[20:57] <Len-live> scott-work, astraljava, The volume indicator in the tray now launches pavucontrol. I think that is the last of the fixes before release? just testing?
[20:59] <Len-live> I would like to do some more work on the menu some time. It would be nice to make it work right for as many apps as possible even if we don't ship them.
[20:59] <scott-work> Len-live: agreed
[21:00] <scott-work> anybody have ideas for UDS blueprints regarding ubuntu studio?
[21:00] <scott-work> i can't at this time, last time we did the lowlatency kernel
[21:01] <Len-live> sorry ... UDS = ?
[21:01] <scott-work> but seeing as i think this cycle will probably be mainly small fixes to things done this cycle and documentation, i don't know what we would need
[21:01] <scott-work> UDS = ubuntu developer summit
[21:01] <scott-work> as project lead i am invited to go, not that i do too much really other than attend, learn, and coordinate some stuff
[21:02] <Len-live> I think controls is the next thing.
[21:02] <scott-work> last time i submitted a blueprint for getting the lowlatency kernel into the repo, which was approved and several of the kernel guys showed up for it and gave it some legitimacy :P
[21:02] <scott-work> Len-live: what type of controls are you thinking about?
[21:03] <Len-live> What software to load, how to set up jack and other stuff, record mode...
[21:03] <Len-live> workflows on all levels really.
[21:04] <Len-live> I am finding with one of my machines a record mode will be needed if I am to do audio with it. NM seems to give me xruns.
[21:04] <scott-work> i think getting together and brainstorming some larger goals for improving the user interfacing with ubuntu studio could be useful
[21:05] <Len-live> You have a way with words :-)
[21:05] <scott-work> step back and abstract a few things, make a list of possible goals, and see where that suggests we go
[21:05] <knome> scott-work, btw, did you already see http://open.knome.fi/2012/04/16/looking-towards-xubuntu-q/ ?
[21:05] <scott-work> lol, thanks
[21:05] <scott-work> i think i did knome , but i probably should reread it if it is the same
[21:05] <knome> :)
[21:05] <scott-work> oh, maybe not, last time i saw a pdf
[21:06] <knome> no, it's a more verbose onw
[21:06] <knome> *one
[21:06] <scott-work> good :) i look forward to reading it
[21:06] <scott-work> i'm am excited about this coming cycle because it WON'T be an LTS version and we can take a few (more) risks :P
[21:06] <knome> next thing i should paste you is the rewritten strategy document when i get to proof-read it one more time
[21:07] <scott-work> yes, i would like to read it, very much so
[21:07] <scott-work> i feel very strongly that the q-cycle should focus on getting some more foundational things done as a minimum;
[21:07] <scott-work> 1. lowlatency maintenance (priority)
[21:07] <scott-work> 2. user documentation
[21:08] <Len-live> knome how hard would it be to change the xfce display app to include dual monitor placement?
[21:08] <scott-work> 3. testing procedures/documentation
[21:08] <knome> Len-live, i've no idea, i'm not a programmer
[21:09] <Len-live> who would I talk to in xfce?
[21:09] <scott-work> 4. refine existing work flows/develop new ones and update wiki documentation
[21:10] <scott-work> and these are just the big items
[21:10] <knome> Len-live, just ask #xfce-dev
[21:10] <scott-work> i am concerned about other development however, i think this will keep my busy for a majority of the cycle
[21:11] <scott-work> i realize that others will be interested in other things than documentation and such
[21:11] <knome> i hope so
[21:11] <knome> one of the items for xubuntu too is documentation
[21:11] <knome> we partly overlap because of xfce
[21:11] <scott-work> but i do feel that docuementation is a very important step for ubuntu studio at this point (in a rebuilding context)
[21:12] <scott-work> knome: that is true, part of what i wanted to do was to document "normal desktop usage"
[21:12] <scott-work> knome: but the largest part is to docuement the creative processes
[21:12] <scott-work> or work flows
[21:12] <knome> sure
[21:12] <scott-work> but there are also many smaller dev work, like adding #ubuntustudio channel to irc by default and others
[21:12] <Len-live> scott-work, text or video documentation?
[21:13] <scott-work> Len-live: really both
[21:13] <scott-work> but i think text (in the wiki or our website) is paramount at this time, and quicker to do
[21:13] <Len-live> I kinda sensed that was part of where your blog was headed.
[21:13] <scott-work> yeah :)
[21:13] <scott-work> i already recorded another one and should do another this weekend and then edit some of them
[21:14] <scott-work> but first i really, really, REALLY need to work on the ubuntu studio website
[21:14] <knome> ;]
[21:14] <scott-work> i really doubt we will get it released for 12.04 release (not on the same day)
[21:14] <scott-work> but it should be within weeks i would hope
[21:14] <knome> i think it's a bit unrealistic now too
[21:14] <scott-work> really?  :(
[21:14] <knome> noting that even the IS won't get it up in a day
[21:15] <knome> i mean, releasing parallel with 12.04
[21:15] <knome> two weeks after is probably fine
[21:15] <knome> if you can find time to work on it now
[21:15] <scott-work> yeah, yeah, i'm okay with no ton the same day
[21:15] <scott-work> how responsive do you think they will be? i.e. how soon after we say "all clear...go!" will they have it pushed out and live?
[21:16] <scott-work> oops   s/no ton/not on
[21:16] <knome> i have a ticket pending for four days now to update the xubuntu.org code
[21:17] <knome> i suppose you could get a relatively high priority for the US site
[21:17] <scott-work> i'm hoping they will do it within two weeks
[21:17] <scott-work> two weeks of filing a ticket, that is
[21:17] <knome> yeah, completely
[21:17] <knome> the workload probably eases after release
[21:17] <knome> so we can get back to better times
[21:18] <scott-work> oh good :)
[21:18] <knome> and of course, you can push for high priority on some items now and then
[21:18] <scott-work> i have quite a few ideas as well, Len-live , about user improvements
[21:18] <scott-work> knome: good to know
[21:18] <knome> derivatives are never over ubuntu stuff, but you can get quite high
[21:19] <scott-work> but i think q+1 cycle may be the best time for considerable attention to this
[21:20] <scott-work> however, i don't want you to misunderstand my intentions or intents
[21:25]  * scott-work got interrupted at work by work :P
[21:26] <scott-work> Len-live: i realize that most people aren't into creating documentation and i defintely expect people to want to focus on what they want to do
[21:26] <scott-work> so i expect people to focus on development work
[21:27] <Len-live> As always, it is the way volunteer work is.
[21:27] <Len-live>  Gotta pick kids up at school
[21:27] <scott-work> however, i hope that we can pick and choose what we do and if we are doing brand new stuff that we try to make it fit a larger vision or plan
[21:35] <knome> i'm off :)
[21:35] <knome> see you later
[22:02] <Len-live> Scott-work, I think that will happen if there is a well defined plan overall.
[22:03] <Len-live> Some of it will be " I need this to do what I want" stuff too.
[22:03] <Len-live> That is one of the reasons I want to make the menu work with the stuff we don't ship too.
[22:08] <Len-live> I have heard a few " this is 2012 after all" remarks about using more resource hungry DEs and stuff, but one of my computers is less than a year old and the DE/OS fluff is giving it problems.
[22:10] <Len-live> I get an xrun about every minute (I think from wireless rescan), but if I turn the wireless off, I get an xrun every 5 seconds.
[22:11] <Len-live> This is with nothing happening, just jack and pulse running.
[22:20] <scott-work> Len-live: to be honest i still wouldn't mind a "kill pulse" switch
[22:21] <scott-work> that could be part of a record mode accessed from an icon on the top panel
[22:21] <scott-work> okay, going homes
[22:21] <Len-live> scott-work I would say that is part of the record mode.
[22:21] <Len-live> C ja later
[22:21] <scott-work> agreed
[23:30] <ScottL> something else we probably need to consider is if there are any SRU's we might want to do quickly after release (if that is not frowned upon)
[23:30] <micahg> ScottL: everyone does it :)
[23:30] <micahg> you can start staging them now if you like
[23:30]  * ScottL realizes he still didn't get the clock plugin correct
[23:31] <micahg> if it's a deal breaker on the ISO, we can still respin
[23:31] <ScottL> i was basing it on what xubuntu did but didn't get it proper
[23:31] <micahg> Xubuntu switched to the datetime plugin
[23:31] <ScottL> micahg, it's not a deal break, but not what was intended
[23:32] <ScottL> micahg, yes, i was looking at a few revisions ago, plus i wanted to look at xubuntu and how the new clock works and consider it for us
[23:32] <micahg> that's the problem with C/P in general, unless you know the context, it's easy to take a change that won't help
[23:34] <ScottL> C/P?
[23:34] <micahg> cut and paste
[23:34]  * micahg probably used the wrong abbrv
[23:35] <micahg> should've been C&P :)
[23:35] <ScottL> oh, i didn't cut and paste, i was changing the value but i needed the other part
[23:35] <ScottL> the variable name
[23:35] <ScottL> BUT it does look like the plugin had been updated so that might have changed anyways from what was used previously


[21:35] <holstein> gonfi: i would get a router, it would make things simpler..
[21:35] <CodeHak> You could bridge the main ethernet or wireless connection with the virtual box network adapter.
[21:36] <MonkeyDust> gonfi  you need a router for NATting, otherwise, use 'bridged' mode in your vbox settings, to create a bridge to the existing network
[21:36] <holstein> gonfi: this is not "magic" routing.. this is what you will need to setup manually.. you have basically a seperate machine on your nework that you need to connect to
[21:36] <gonfi> is there a guide?
[21:36] <holstein> gonfi: yes
[21:36] <gonfi> i tried with a router vm a while back, and failed
[21:36] <holstein> gonfi: literaly search it.. there are *many* ways.. the easy way is with a router
[21:36] <CodeHak> Highlight both connections under network connections, right click and click bridge then run virtualbox.;)
[21:37] <holstein> gonfi: i am using it with a router right now.. you need to set up the virtualization the same or similar regardless
[21:37] <hoodoowoo> MonkeyDust: here's my current hypothesis: a bug in the kernel module for ecryptfs.  After removing the user entirely and rebooting, I no longer have the issue.  I suspect it's a stale handle somewhere.
[21:37] <gonfi> by router you mean router vm?
[21:37] <holstein> gonfi: imagine you have 2 separate machine.. how do you want to translate those 2 machines on the network?
[21:38] <holstein> gonfi: i mean, a hardware device that will route the traffic for you and NAT the 2 boxes or whatever you need
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> gonfi  what are you using to connect to the internet?
[21:38] <gonfi> well i can't tell my isp hetzner to add a device for me for a dedicated server
[21:38] <blackshirt> hello, someone with tc experiences, why this happen when i execute this, # tc qdisc del dev eth0
[21:38] <blackshirt> RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument
[21:38] <holstein> if you are literally coming out of the modem into a machine, that is what the modem is supposed to do.. just make one connection
[21:38] <blackshirt> what wrongs ?
[21:39] <holstein> gonfi: that is the issue... you *cant* tell your isp that. so you have to do it with a router
[21:40] <MonkeyDust> gonfi  a router translates your public IP address to several local IP addresses, that's what it's meant for
[21:40] <gonfi> you said a hardware device. confused.
[21:40] <holstein> gonfi: correct.. a hardware router is easy, and appropriate.. you get local IPs. you give the VM a local IP,a nd forward a port through the router
[21:40] <CodeHak> A router gives you a range of ip addresses from one connection.
[21:41] <blackshirt> # tc qdisc del dev eth0
[21:41] <blackshirt> RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument
[21:41] <gonfi> yeah, that's what i have at home. but not at the isp where i have just 1 machine. so that's not an option.
[21:41] <holstein> otherwise, you'll need to do that with your one machine, and translate manualy to the VM
[21:41] <holstein> gonfi: using a VM as a router is an option
[21:42] <CodeHak> Yep bridge the connection to the virtualbox network adapter/connection.
[21:42] <holstein> gonfi: i have not cared to set that up as its is uncessarily challening. and i always have a router laying around.. and if there is a cable sitting there, you should be able to plug it in
[21:42] <gonfi> holstein, the isp is a couple thousand km away
[21:42] <CodeHak> Lol i do it with my cell 3g connection tethering/bridging the connections.
[21:42] <holstein> gonfi: mine is not here either, friend
[21:43] <gonfi> i can't go there and plug a router in
[21:43] <CodeHak> Sometimes.:)
[21:43] <MonkeyDust> gonfi  a router is located in your house
[21:43] <holstein> gonfi: i have a modem, i plug it into the router.. otherwise, im not following your *very* special scenario
[21:43] <CodeHak> Either cable and router or phone line with a dsl filter going to a router.
[21:44] <gonfi> scenario: have 1 dedicated machine at the isp, with 1 public ip. would like to run an ftp on an ubuntu vm on that.
[21:44] <MonkeyDust> gonfi  as i understand, you want two public IP address, right?
[21:44] <holstein> gonfi: the ISP give me a connection via coax cable.. the modem translates that to internet, and goes to my router.. my router give all the machines on my network local IP's, and translates the information to them.. i forward a port to the machine or virtual machine
[21:44] <Dr_willis> the isp works as a vps service also?
[21:44] <holstein> gonfi: how are you connected to that internet connection?
[21:44] <Rukelad> When I install ubuntu, will it be able to deal with an exsiting grub installation and just add its entry to it?
[21:44] <gonfi> no, not home isp
[21:44] <gonfi> server hosting isp
[21:45] <holstein> gonfi: how are you connected? physically?
[21:45] <gonfi> i don't know how they connect the machine
[21:45] <holstein> gonfi: you might not be allowed to do that.. you need to ask them how they are setting things .. you might not be allowed to get out that way froma VM
[21:46] <gonfi> i rent the root machine too, not just the vm
[21:46] <gonfi> i am allowed.
[21:46] <holstein> gonfi: that could be alreayd a virtual machine, and might not be able to forward through whatever they have
[21:46] <holstein> gonfi: i dont care what you rent.. that can be setup in a way to block you from forwarding through like that
[21:46] <gonfi> no, not a vm
[21:46] <holstein> gonfi: you said VM
[21:46] <gonfi> i have host os and a couple vm's
[21:46] <holstein> gonfi: if not, then the machien is connected and getting an IP
[21:47] <holstein> gonfi: sure.. and the VM's might not have access like that.. they are not getting IP's locally.. and you miy not be allowed to do what you are trying to do
[21:47] <holstein> gonfi: you need to ask them how to get out that way, and get ports through,a nd how they expect you to do that
[21:47] <gonfi> no
[21:47] <holstein> gonfi: yes, actually you do
[21:47] <CodeHak> Gonfi: Your physical PC will be connected either via an ethernet cable, phone cable very old or wireless adapter.
[21:48] <gonfi> it must be ethernet
[21:48] <holstein> gonfi: this is not ubuntu related anyways.. so try a networking channel.. the the answer is going to come from the host. and it might be "sorry, you are not able to do that here due to configuration"
[21:48] <holstein> gonfi: you have no idea, though.. it could already be virtual, and likely is
[21:49] <gonfi> no, i had harddisks replaced for me
[21:49] <gonfi> and have special hardware config
[21:49] <MonkeyDust> gonfi  then start from the beginning, what's your special config or setup?
[21:49] <holstein> gonfi: then, im sure they wont mind answering your specific questions.. which can not be answered here, since we, the volunteers, have not idea how the network is setup at your host
[21:50] <raven> is anyone using feed2imap? is the connection encrypted??
[21:50] <gonfi> ok, thanks for the help, i'll see if i can get an answer there
[21:59] <MeeKs> hey guys i have a live ubuntu environment loaded up on my laptop and need to use it to burn a .iso file, how would i go about doing this?
[21:59] <MeeKs> im not sure what tools to use
[21:59] <holstein> MeeKs: brasero if its there
[21:59] <holstein> MeeKs: any burner really
[21:59] <MeeKs> im guessing i need to first get ubuntu running off a usb drive to free up the optical drive
[22:00] <OerHeks> sounds like a good plan
[22:00] <holstein> MeeKs: you'll need an available optical burner, for certain
[22:00] <MeeKs> i have to use the laptop burner
[22:00] <MeeKs> so i need to get my usb drive to boot
[22:00] <glitch256> hi all is their any one that can help me register a bash script to a phone wifi connect event
[22:00] <OerHeks> Does the target machine boot from usb?
[22:01] <MeeKs> i hope so
[22:01] <MeeKs> im not sure
[22:01] <MeeKs> do i just restore the iso file to the usb drive?
[22:01] <holstein> !unetbootin | MeeKs is an option
[22:02] <OerHeks> use the usb-creator tool, it is available in your live session
[22:02] <MeeKs> oh
[22:02] <deadweasel> how can I tell the last few things I installed?
[22:02] <deadweasel> \12.04 lts x64
[22:03] <clue_h> software center history? but i dont use it
[22:04] <muelli> deadweasel: there is probabably a log in /var/log/, i.e. /var/log/dpkg.log or so.
[22:04] <k1l_> deadweasel: /var/log and then the apt logs
[22:04] <deadweasel> ah, good idea.  thx. muelli
[22:04] <AngusVFF> I installed a 13.04 64-bit iso to my flashdrive using yumi. When i attempt to install, i get terminal and no other response. How do i Fix this?
[22:04] <deadweasel> thx k1l_
[22:04] <OerHeks> deadweasel, in softwarecenter - history http://beginlinux.com/images/desktop/ubuntu/ubuntu1010_software-center1.jpg
[22:05] <OerHeks> AngusVFF, black screen and flashing cursor?
[22:05] <AngusVFF> OerHeks: yes. and lines of code
[22:06] <OerHeks> !nomodeset | AngusVFF this might help
[22:08] <k1l_> !away > cipherboyoffline
[22:13] <glowe> Hej all! I need some help to get my USB internet (Huawei E1750) to work
[22:14] <AngusVFF> OerHeks: When i select "install to a hard disk" it starts to load. Then when i switch away to show the status, i get "/init: line 7: can't open /dev/sr0: No medium found"
[22:14] <pagios> hello, how can i remove the passhparse for encryption when booting my laptop?
[22:15] <gordonjcp> pagios: easiest way is to boot the laptop, decrypt, make a backup, and reinstall :-/
[22:15] <pagios> reinstall what?
[22:15] <deadweasel> oh jesus, I have no idea what I installed.....   I installed SOMETHING akin to POWERMENU for windows, it's a right click 'always on top' functionality.  It broke lots of stuff.... I can't find any package that describes it...
[22:16] <SunStar> how can i search recursively through a folder for files that contain my search tearm inside the file contents?
[22:16] <jrib> SunStar: grep -R
[22:16] <pagios> gordonjcp: full system reinstallation?!
[22:16] <AngusVFF> When i select "install to a hard disk" it starts to load. Then when i switch away to show the status, i get "/init: line 7: can't open /dev/sr0: No medium found". How do i fix this?
[22:17] <SunStar> thankx jrib
[22:18] <AngusVFF> I downloaded 13.04 64-bit. I used yumi to install it to my usb stick. When i select "install to a hard disk" it starts to load. Then when i switch away to show the status, i get "/init: line 7: can't open /dev/sr0: No medium found". How do i Fix this?
[22:18] <jsonperl> i have a bunch of servers running with 16gb of ram available... they have a leak and when they get somewhere above 1GB, they get restarted
[22:18] <jsonperl> but for some reason, freeing of that memory seems to make the whole machine spike in cpu usage, and slows everything WAY DOWN while it happens
[22:19] <jsonperl> i was thinking maybe tuning the swappiness might be the solution, does that seem reasonable?
[22:19] <Dr_willis> AngusVFF,   you did verify the md5 of the iso file? its possible it was bad. or yumi goofed up. you could try some other tool fromt he pendrivelinux site, and double check the md5sum to verify it was a good download
[22:21] <AngusVFF> Dr_willis: Ok. How do i check to make sure? Im new to linux.
[22:23] <bprompt> AngusVFF: hmm, /dev/sr0 is usually the DVD drive, something tells me you may have clicked on the wrong entry
[22:24] <bprompt> as opposed to /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or such
[22:24] <AngusVFF> bprompt: I used a USB Stick
[22:24] <bprompt> AngusVFF:    shouldn't matter, so have I :)
[22:25] <DoktorV> Hello, I'm having trouble with chmod
[22:25] <AngusVFF> bprompt: Im gonna try again using unetbootin
[22:28] <DoktorV> I've downloaded Tales of Maj'Eyal, linux 64 bit version, but it won't run because the main executable doesn't have execute permission. When I try to give owner execute permission, nothing happens, even when doing sudo chmod
[22:28] <blue-eyes> hi
[22:29] <actery> hi
[22:29] <blue-eyes> anyone know what plugin is needed to view these videos? http://science.discovery.com/tv-shows/through-the-wormhole
[22:29] <kboodu> DoktorV: What's the exact command you're using on the chmod command?
[22:30] <DoktorV> I've tried many from the tutorials - chmod u+x file, chmod 777 file, and some more I don't remember offhand
[22:31] <clue_h> blue-eyes, im watching those on youtube, are you using firefox?
[22:31] <blue-eyes> clue_h: are you watching the old episodes or this season's?
[22:32] <clue_h> season 4, scared of going off topic though lol
[22:33] <clue_h> blue-eyes, it should work in chrome though.
[22:34] <blue-eyes> clue_h: I didn't know this season's was on youtube. If they're not from Discovery Science, they might be pulled. I'm pretty sure the vids on their official website aren't played via youtube. Firefox and Chrome both show a message about a plugin needed.
[22:34] <tworkin> on 12.04 i did a 'useradd -m someone' and the account has almost zero settings. is there a command to plop down the system defaults like the user that the installer creates?
[22:34] <AngusVFF> bprompt: How do i make it use the usb stick?
[22:34] <tworkin> settings i mean rc files. and something better than /bin/sh
[22:35] <blue-eyes> I've looked at the html for the webpage and something about an .mp4 file is mentioned in at least one part.
[22:35] <Jagst3r15> when will ubuntu be rolling release?
[22:36] <clue_h> im checking it out (its working for me atm in firefox) but i have flash player
[22:36] <k1l_> Jagst3r15: no plans for that
[22:36] <Jagst3r15> I have read such
[22:36] <Jagst3r15> or they are at least considering it?
[22:36] <blue-eyes> clue_h, I have flash player installed as well. Don't know why it's not working.
[22:37] <bprompt> AngusVFF:    you download the .iso, about 700mbs, and do a raw image to the usb stick :), if you're in windows, use something like winimage, if you're in linux, I use 'dd' data dumper    " dd if=myisofile.iso of=/dev/sdb "  assuming my usb is /dev/sdb
[22:37] <k1l_> Jagst3r15: there was some ideas some months ago. but they didnt thnk its usefull
[22:37] <Jagst3r15> that is disappointing
[22:37] <k1l_> Jagst3r15: nope
[22:37] <blue-eyes> clue_h, I should mention that the ads work, but the feature vids don't play
[22:37] <Jagst3r15> for me it is
[22:38] <Jagst3r15> so im on 12.04 which i love
[22:38] <Jagst3r15> i am stuck with these outdated packages in software center?
[22:38] <OerHeks> blue-eyes, have you got restricted-extra's installed?
[22:39] <Dr_willis> !latest
[22:39] <blue-eyes> OerHeks, yes I've tried that. Doesn't work.
[22:39] <k1l_> Jagst3r15: you need to make a decision if you want stable packages or the latest packages.
[22:39] <kboodu> DoktorV: have you tried sudo chmod +x filename?
[22:39] <Jagst3r15> why can't there be both -_-
[22:39] <SonikkuAmerica> !LTS
[22:39] <Dr_willis> even the latest release is not always up to date.
[22:39] <clue_h> blue-eyes, hmm do you have noscript and adblock
[22:39] <Dr_willis> Jagst3r15,  because ubuntu is not a rollign release.
[22:40] <blue-eyes> OerHeks, are you able to view the feature vids after the ad plays?
[22:40] <k1l_> Jagst3r15: you can have fake-rolling-release with the development releases
[22:40] <DoktorV> kboodu: I may have before, tried it again just now, nothing
[22:40] <Jagst3r15> I mean I understand
[22:40] <Jagst3r15> but some things like chromium in 12.04 are out of date like hell
[22:40] <kboodu> DoktorV: What message did you get back?
[22:40] <Linus> rolling releases arent always the latest versions
[22:40] <Jagst3r15> youd think that would be easy to keep up
[22:40] <Dr_willis> Jagst3r15,  use the PPA's
[22:40] <MeeKs> im having trouble burning an iso from the ubuntu live usb
[22:40] <DoktorV> kboodu: Nothing, terminal advances to a new prompt
[22:40] <MeeKs> can anyone help me
[22:41] <Jagst3r15> isnt more of a rolling release ideal>
[22:41] <Jagst3r15> Is it just lack of man power?
[22:41] <OerHeks> blue-eyes, yes, that makes me wonder
[22:41] <kboodu> DoktorV: I hate recommending this, but can you become root (sudo su -) and try again?
[22:41] <blue-eyes> clue_h, I've allowed javascript and everything else except cookies.
[22:41] <kboodu> becoming root isn't the best thing.  But maybe you'll see some other message.
[22:41] <tworkin> Jagst3r15: not if you have a dependency for which you lack the source code
[22:41] <clue_h> blue-eyes, actually i dont get to see after the intro could be because I am in the UK?
[22:41] <k1l_> Jagst3r15: that topic what is ideal is too much for this technical support channel. to discuss that topic you could join #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[22:42] <Linus> root is fine just not suitable for noobs, if you know what your doing use root.
[22:42] <blue-eyes> clue_h, I don't know. I've been able to watch them on windows but not linux so far. I can only view the advertisements on linux, not the feature video.
[22:42] <PepperoniPizza> *you're
[22:42] <k1l_> Linus: no need to be root on ubuntu
[22:42] <Jagst3r15> sorry I was just curious :)
[22:43] <deadweasel> I installed *something* that adds 'always on top' to the right click menu.  Now all right click menus open up behind the active window, also, 'always on top' does not work AT ALL.  pls help.
[22:43] <Linus> k11 and whats the diff of using sudo su?
[22:43] <deadweasel> 12.04 x64 lts
[22:43] <k1l_> Linus: even not "sudo su"
[22:43] <Linus> or sudo the sudoers grants all
[22:43] <kboodu> Linus: sudo allows you to become root for only the length of the command.
[22:43] <Linus> sudo su gives you root
[22:43] <MeeKs> for-ev-errrr
[22:43] <blue-eyes> OerHeks, do you allow adobe flash to allow cookies and store data?
[22:43] <k1l_> Linus: "sudo -i" is the ubuntu way _if_ you need a root shell
[22:44] <kboodu> Linus: sudo su lets you become the root user when you can't use the su command (because there's no password for the root user)
[22:44] <k1l_> Linus: we know there are alot of other ways but in here we support only sudo -i
[22:44] <OerHeks> blue-eyes, yes, like standard setting.
[22:44] <clue_h> blue-eyes, id work around and use wget followed by the *.mp4 file
[22:44] <DoktorV> I tried that, then chmod +x file, nothing, no errors
[22:44] <clue_h> for now
[22:44] <bekks> sudo su is a bad idea.
[22:44] <blue-eyes> OerHeks, I'll try that and see what happens.
[22:44] <Linus> I wasnt arguing against the Ubuntu way sorry was just giving my experience of root.
[22:44] <bekks> Better use "sudo -i"
[22:44] <DoktorV> Then I killed that terminal.
[22:44] <blue-eyes> clue_h, If I knew how to do that I would.
[22:44] <blue-eyes> clue_h, I think their links are difficult to get the actual location
[22:44] <kboodu> DoktorV: Are there any messages in /var/log/auth.log
[22:45] <Linus> I build your kernel ffs who you talking to.... Nvidia.
[22:45] <Linus> joke bad maybe?
[22:45] <OerHeks> blue-eyes, btw it is not a wormhole in space, but the species
[22:45] <wilee-nilee> !who > Linus
[22:45] <k1l_> !guidelines > Linus
[22:46] <blue-eyes> clue_h OerHeks It's working now
[22:46] <clue_h> blue-eyes, good job
[22:46] <blue-eyes> I allowed adobe flash to store data and now they play
[22:46] <clue_h> i'll remember that one!
[22:46] <Jagst3r15> are backports more or less stable?
[22:47] <kevinHONGY> how do i enable the 3d effects for a window
[22:47] <kevinHONGY> .....
[22:47] <DoktorV> kboodu: there are many lines like "Jul 15 17:39:40 Dragon3 sudo:  vincent : TTY=pts/3 ; PWD=/media/Games/Games/T-engine ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/chmod +x t-engine" and then, most recently, some lines referring to a su session opening then closing
[22:47] <OerHeks> Jagst3r15, more stable than proposed
[22:48] <kboodu> Have you tried specifying the full path to 't-engine'?
[22:48] <Jagst3r15> 0erHeks so backports is a way to have updates without updating to latest release?
[22:48] <glowe> Hey all! I need help getting my 3G internet to work. Can anyone guide me through it?
[22:48] <Jagst3r15> I am new to ubuntu trying to understand :)
[22:48] <DoktorV> kboodu: Yes, I tried that a few times, it didn't seem to make any difference
[22:48] <kboodu> Hmm.  /media...
[22:48] <kevinHONGY> help anyone ?
[22:48] <DoktorV> The game doesn't have to live on the second hard drive, I could move it to home/games
 Backports are the stabelest you will get. Only security patches are applied to backports and the version is kept at a certain level.
[22:49] <kboodu> DoktorV: What file system is /media/Games?
[22:49] <kboodu> Is that a NTFS or FAT32 file system?
[22:49] <kevinHONGY> how do i get the effect for like a window
[22:49] <DoktorV> kboodu: Ah, right, that was an NTFS drive from before I wiped out Windows
[22:49] <Linus> kboodu its neither it will be ext3 or ext4
[22:49] <kevinHONGY> k bye
[22:49] <clue_h> ccsm
[22:49] <kboodu> DoktorV: That's the problem.  It's not recognizing the Linux attribute.
[22:50] <DoktorV> All right, I've moved the game to home/games and now it looks like it should work.
[22:50] <kboodu> DoktorV: You'll have to find another way to make that executable, but I don't know what it is as I haven't tried to do that.
[22:50] <kboodu> DoktorV: Good luck with your new game. ;)
[22:51] <DoktorV> That game is small enough that it doesn't need to live on the second hard drive, fortunately
[22:51] <DoktorV> Thank you for your time
[22:51] <Linus> dokortov put permenat mounts you could forget in fstab in future sounds like you didnt
[22:51] <kboodu> DoktorV: np.
[22:51] <S_J> wget -qO- https://toolbelt.heroku.com/install-ubuntu.sh | sh // that doesnt work, im trying to get the heroku toolbelt as you can see.
[22:51] <Mkeer> I recently installed Ubuntu and I find it extremely unstable... Twice in a row I left it running overnight and I come back and suddenly my computer is slow and buggy and I need to restart...
[22:51] <OerHeks> Jagst3r15, yes, newer version for those who cannot wait for secure testing
[22:52] <AngusVFF> bprompt: Im looking at the status and it says "the disk contains an unclean install" i used unetbootin and yumi, and i cant figure out the issue
[22:52] <Jagst3r15> OerHeks seems like that is a good way to avoid going full rolling release
[22:52] <Jagst3r15> how come not many backports are there for 12.04?
[22:52] <AngusVFF> i checked the md5 and its ok, but i cant solve the problem
[22:52] <wilee-nilee> !details > Mkeer
[22:53] <S_J> nm
[22:53] <Mkeer> wilee-nilee, I have Ubuntu-gnome (3.6) 13.04... I'm not running anything very resource intensive... 2GB RAM, 2.8Ghz core 2 duo...
[22:53] <oneking> what's up
[22:54] <wilee-nilee> Mkeer, Hard to tell without specifics.
[22:55] <clue_h> Mkeer, have you tried 12.04? i have a machine with similar stats using ubuntu-2d and it handles that ok
[22:55] <Mkeer> wilee-nilee, what do you need to know?
[22:55] <kboodu> Mkeer: So what programs are you running that imply it's "slow" or "unstable"
[22:55] <MeeKs> im runninb ubuntu 13.04 from a live dvd, how can i install that onto a usb stick so i can boot ubuntu from that instead of a dvd?
[22:55] <bprompt> AngusVFF: so.... you downloaded the .iso and then?
[22:55] <Mkeer> clue_h, but most of the time it's fine... very smooth
 If you wanna go rolling try Gentoo. You can build on a build box but build binaries that can be installed on other machines alot quicker. On top of that create your oqn mirror and set your portage make.conf to use binary only on your live machine.  Always a kind of stable way to live with a rolling release in live or desktop
[22:55] <AngusVFF> bprompt: yes. from the website
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> Mkeer, The channel needs to know exactly what is happening not vague decriptions, such as when I do this this happens.
[22:56] <tbarat> there is one program which can do Meeks
[22:56] <clue_h> unity-2d i mean
[22:56] <bprompt> AngusVFF:   and then?
[22:56] <MeeKs> i cant seem to find it
[22:56] <MeeKs> is it in the ubuntu dock on the desktop
[22:56] <tbarat> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[22:56] <AngusVFF> bprompt: i used YUMI to get it on my usb stick, and that didnt work. then i used unetbootin and i got the same result
[22:57] <MeeKs> thanks tbarat
[22:57] <wilee-nilee> tbarat, Use nicks, please you can tab complete them.
[22:57] <MeeKs> oh im on a mac i cant run that app tbarat
[22:57] <bprompt> AngusVFF:   ok.... how about using DD?
[22:57] <bprompt> instead
[22:57] <tbarat> :D
[22:57] <tbarat> iDiot
[22:57] <Mkeer> kboodu, yersterday night, I left a bunch of terminal windows (inc. VIM, python but without any code running).... I came back from work today and I opened chrome and clicking links was generally very unresponsive, videos on youtube were running much slower than usual... pressing the Super key didn't show the Overview view...
[22:57] <AngusVFF> bprompt: Im using a windows machine to do this
[22:58] <Mkeer> This is not even with Gnome 3.8, this is the relatively old 3.6 version...
[22:58] <kboodu> Mkeer: Were you running top?
[22:58] <jrib> Mkeer: check memory and cpu usage
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> tbarat, If your are dissing it us a good way to get banned. ;)
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> is*
[22:58] <Jagst3r15> is there a list of web apps?
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> Jagst3r15, Web appa?
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> apps*
[22:59] <Mkeer> kboodu, no... I tried opening the system monitor but I couldn't get to it since the Super key was not responsive...
[22:59] <kboodu> Mkeer: If you can run top in a terminal session, you might see something that catches your eye and driving up CPU or Memory / Swap utilization
[22:59] <Jagst3r15> like the amazon web app thing?
[22:59] <Jagst3r15> isnt there a list of offficial ones
[22:59] <Jagst3r15> or no
[22:59] <kboodu> Mkeer: You might look at a log afterwards to see if something was causing trouble, but I'm not sure which one....and it will only help you in the future.
[23:00] <kboodu> Mkeer: Your description of problems (without more detail) isn't "normal" to most users of Ubuntu though.
[23:00] <Mkeer> Right now I'm seeing close to 100% CPU use from update-apt-xapi...
[23:00] <bozo> trololo #debian
[23:00] <bozo> trololo #debian
[23:00] <bozo> trololo #debian
[23:00] <FloodBot1> bozo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:00] <wilee-nilee> Jagst3r15, Might be something here, personally I turned all that off. http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/webapps/
[23:00] <Jagst3r15> wilee-nilee I am still on 12.04
[23:01] <Jagst3r15> I am just looking at what they do
[23:01] <Jagst3r15> I cant even use em
[23:01] <Linus> mkeer setting up a monitoring syatem might hel nagios say
[23:01] <Linus> help*
[23:01] <kboodu> Mkeer: What version of Ubunut?
[23:01] <kboodu> Ubuntu*
[23:02] <Linus> ^ ignore I read your post half wat through.
[23:02] <Mkeer> kboodu, 13.04 installed with Ubuntu Gnome (3.6)
[23:02] <vorlket> how do you identify harddisk + boot partition numbers of a partition?
[23:02] <bprompt> AngusVFF:    ok.... try reburning it with something like -> http://www.softpedia.com/get/CD-DVD-Tools/Data-CD-DVD-Burning/Win32-Disk-Imager.shtml
[23:02] <wilee-nilee> Jagst3r15, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/how-to-install-ubuntus-new-web-apps-feature
[23:03] <AngusVFF> bprompt: i used unetbootin and yumi. I hope this works...
[23:03] <kboodu> Mkeer: I'm not running 13.04, so I'm guessing.  But maybe i fyou google on update-apt-xapi, you can find something (since you point to that specific app)
[23:03] <wilee-nilee> AngusVFF, You checked the sum of the ISO?
[23:03] <Linus> vorlket sudo fdisk -l | grep /dev
[23:03] <vorlket> Linus: thanks!
[23:03] <Linus> vorlket sudo fdisk -l | grep /dev
[23:03] <kboodu> Mkeer: or try update-apt-xapian-index?
[23:03] <Mkeer> kboodu, well it stopped by itself... I'm guessing it's some automatic update... I really have no evidence that this is what caused my problem
[23:04] <Linus> vorlket np my fingers are to bad they hit enter and up at the same time
[23:04] <AngusVFF> wilee-nilee: yes. it was good
[23:04] <Linus> to fat *
[23:04] <kboodu> Mkeer: There seems to be some on-going problems (historically) with update-apt-xapian-index.  You might want to look into that.
[23:04] <kboodu> Or change the time(s) it runs (if you can)
[23:05] <S_J> where should i put my bash scripts if i want to eb able to run them from anywhere?
[23:05] <Linus> vorlket boot should have a flag of boot but may nought but /boot is always the smallest partition usually around 100-150mb
[23:06] <Linus> nought not* (wtf?)
[23:06] <kboodu> S_J: You can add them to ~/bin/ if that exists in your .bashrc or .profile files
[23:06] <jrib> S_J: ~/bin for your user, /usr/local/bin/ if you want them available system-wide (to every user)
[23:06] <kboodu> S_J: That way they will be in your path so bash can find them.  The assumption is you are using bash.
[23:06] <danes> Hello, I need to recover data from a damaged hdd. I am using testdisk and I analyzed the disk. It took about 2 days and now I'm stuck. This is the screen I got after analyzing the disk: http://pastie.org/8144088
[23:06] <vorlket> Linus yep
[23:07] <danes> can anyone advise what should I do next in order to recover my files?
[23:08]  * mecool :)
[23:08] <Linus> s_j /home/yourdir mainly, if they need sudo access they will still be restricted without suodoing. You can put them anywhere you have write access to.
[23:08] <Linus> danes try testdisk one sec
[23:09] <Guest55405> Hey. Anyone alive here?
[23:09] <Linus> danes http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk works a treat I havent used it in ages though so cant help but they have some good guides.
[23:10] <danes> Linus: that is what I am using
[23:10] <Guest55405> Oh, folks are alive here?
[23:10] <danes> Linus: but I am stuck and I dont know what to do next. I just dont want to mess up things even more
[23:10] <kboodu> Guest55405: Do you have a qustion?  If so, just ask
[23:11] <Guest55405> kboodu: Yeah. Can I remove the Global Menu, but keep the HUD?
[23:11] <danes> Linus, I got this error Can't open filesystem. Filesystem seems damaged.
[23:11] <kboodu> Guest55405: Not sure....MAYBE someone else will have the answer.  But not sure why you'd want to...
[23:11] <Linus> danes its been that long since Ive used it I dont want to advise. As its data recovery you usually only get one chance.
[23:12] <Guest55405> kboodu: I hate the Global menu, but love the HUD
[23:13] <Linus> danes Some advice though dont follow instructions blindly!
[23:13] <OerHeks> danes most likely you want Rebuild BS, rebuild bootsector, as the message in line 17/18 say you need one
[23:13] <danes> Linus: I know and that is why I am asking for help
[23:14] <danes> OerHeks: I am doing it now... Will see what happens...
[23:15] <Linus> danes what FS is it?
[23:15] <danes> Linus, ntfs? I am not sure what you are asking
[23:16] <Linus> danes was just asking as regarding what FS you were recovering from.
[23:17] <OerHeks> 1 * HPFS - NTFS
[23:19] <OerHeks> Guest55405, yes you can undo the global menu bu Unity-tweak or like this > http://marcantoinelemieux.com/blog/posts/2013/05/12/ubuntu-12.04-12.10-13.04-removing-global-menu
[23:19] <zx2> xrandr doesn't show my second monitor , but second mirrow shows a mirrow
[23:20] <Guest55405> OerHeks: will though brake the lovely HUD
[23:20] <zx2> .. but second monitor is showing mirrow
[23:20] <Linus> is Mir in any live distros at the mo?
[23:21] <Guest55405> Linus: nope
[23:21] <Guest55405> Ubuntu 13.04 maybe?
[23:21] <Guest55405> Didn't see any X server there
[23:22] <gyre007> guys...I have a stupid question...how do I mount a filesystem so that the directory is owned by particular user which has RW permissions...
[23:22] <gyre007> every time I mount it into some dir which i CHOWN to some user..mount overrides the ownership to root:root
[23:22] <Linus> hmm is that using wayland? Im always behind on displays as mostly use ssh apart from my desktop.
[23:22] <Guest55405> gyre007: u can set the rights when you mount the partition
[23:22] <gyre007> what are the options Guest55405
[23:23] <gyre007> I need t stick them into fstab
[23:23] <Guest55405> Linus: As I said, I didn't see any X server running on 13.04
[23:23] <Guest55405> ps aux | grep X
[23:23] <OerHeks> Guest55405, no, hud will not be affected AFAIK
[23:23] <Guest55405> gave no ouput
[23:23] <muelli> gyre007: run "disks". You should be able set mount options there.
[23:24] <gyre007> muelli: this is server
[23:24] <gyre007> not desktop
[23:24] <muelli> gyre007: then edit /etc/fstab
[23:24] <Guest55405> gyre007: http://www.omaroid.com/fstab-permission-masks-explained/
[23:24] <netlar> How do I stream my Ubuntu One music?
[23:24] <Linus> Ubuntu stop changing thinks so much you were perfect at 8.04 but you did resemble Debian alot more then!
[23:25] <Linus> things*
[23:25] <gyre007> muelli: hah I know Im looking for the right options
[23:25] <netlar> I absolutely love 13.04
[23:25] <muelli> gyre007: man mount
[23:25] <gyre007> :)
[23:25] <gyre007> cool
[23:26] <Jagst3r15> anyone own the ubuntu dell xps 13?
[23:26] <netlar> I signed up for Ubuntu's music streaming but have no idea how to play
[23:26] <netlar> the music
[23:27] <wilee-nilee> Jagst3r15, That is polling, ask your question on your problems
[23:27] <Jagst3r15> wilee-nilee :(
[23:27] <muelli> !anyone | Jagst3r15
[23:27] <AngusVFF> Im trying to install ubuntu and i keep getting an error that says "/init: line 7: can't open /dev/sr0: no medium found". Im using a live usb stick. How do i install?
[23:28] <muelli> AngusVFF: weird. Where did you get that stick from?
[23:28] <Linus> grey007 anything mounted in Linux will be root:root as its root that mounts it.
[23:28] <AngusVFF> Its a PNY 64GB usb flash drive
[23:28] <wilee-nilee> AngusVFF, Is this a dualboot with W8?
[23:29] <AngusVFF> wilee-nilee: No, Windows 7
[23:29] <w30> Jagst3r15:  no, but I do have a Dell Inspiron Ubuntu version (old)
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> AngusVFF, Is it a uefi setup?
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> was it W8?
[23:30] <Linus> w8 winshit8?
[23:30] <AngusVFF> wilee-nilee: The Computer is Custom. and it has a uefi bios. When i go into the boot menu. the drive comes up twice. one with Uefi, and one without
[23:30] <w30> Jagst3r15: it came with Ubuntu 7 something if I remember right
[23:30] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | AngusVFF
[23:31] <wilee-nilee> Linus, keep it on topic.
[23:31] <Linus> ok
[23:31] <AngusVFF> !uefi
[23:32] <Linus> It was my logic to what w8 was though.
[23:32] <wilee-nilee> AngusVFF, More you might consider, honestly the IRC is bad for uefi advice I would use the UF, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[23:32] <AngusVFF> ok. Ive already posted on the forms
[23:32] <Linus> wile-nilee if you have worked in a noc you would know how bad labeling can be.
[23:32] <wilee-nilee> AngusVFF, Heh, bot seems broken. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[23:33] <maxb> I wonder why the image is trying to anything with /dev/sr0 at all. How was the USB stick made?
[23:33] <wilee-nilee> AngusVFF, The author of that thread is who you want, make sure the header has uefi in it.
[23:33] <netlar> Dummy me, I thought Ubuntu one Music streaming was like Pandora, opps my mistake
[23:34] <netlar> It just streams music from your library of music
[23:35] <maxb> For what it's worth, I've happily UEFI-booted the Ubuntu installer on various hardware
[23:35] <wilee-nilee> AngusVFF, If you get a chance run the bootrepair app from the live cd, just the bootinfo summary and include a link to its url in your thread.
[23:35] <AngusVFF> ok
[23:36] <wilee-nilee> maxb, Seems to work fine, however the manufacturers have their own tweaked versions, making it a bit tough for some.
[23:41] <gyre007> so essentially you can't change the owner of the mount point so you have to handle this stuff on the filesystem level....unless you set some umask which allows EVERYONE to write in...
[23:44] <Linus> grey007 you could try setting 777. I had a lot of this issues with a Python script I wrote to mount a samba share and remove logs. My resoloution was allow my user NOPASSWED in sudo on the script
[23:44] <Linus> NOPASSWD*
[23:44] <gyre007> Linus: 777 is not very secure
[23:44] <Xaos> evening all.
[23:44] <Linus> GREY007 ON A WEBSERVER NO, WHATS IT ON?
[23:44] <goddard> do you think all the constant updates from Ubuntu hurt the life of your hard drive?
[23:45] <Linus> sorry for caps
[23:45] <goddard> Linus: you need not apologize linux kernel creator
[23:45] <gyre007> some slightly sensitive data
[23:45] <gyre007> which should defo NOT be accessible by everyone :)
[23:45] <cor_r> is there some kind of lightweight empathy messnger?
[23:45] <Linus> goddard no your HD writes and reads alot more than Ubuntu updates do.
[23:47] <Xaos> Has anyone had this issue..... I am trying to get my wireless adapter installed but I can't.  It downloads the files needed but when it goes to install it, I get a message saying that it can't be installed.   My colleagues have had 100% recovery using it so far though!
[23:50] <goddard> Linus: its all good I backed it up before that happened
[23:50] <goddard> Linus: i am surprised you remmebered
[23:51] <goddard> i also had another instance where some files got deleted and i was trying to recover with extundelete
[23:51] <goddard> that might be what you remember
[23:51] <Linus> goddard So am I tbh
[23:51] <goddard> haha
[23:52] <Linus> goddard probabbly yeah
[23:52] <netlar> Is linus the linus?
[23:53] <Linus> neltlar Of course I am . Whyyou ask?
[23:54] <netlar> Just curious
[23:54] <Linus> No Im not God
[23:54] <netlar> You aren't?
[23:54] <holstein> !ot
[23:54] <Linus> To me Linus is God
[23:59] <Xaos> Has anyone had this issue..... I am trying to get my wireless adapter installed but I can't.  It downloads the files needed but when it goes to install it, I get a message saying that it can't be installed.  Anyone else have this issue?


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[02:15] <SamuraiAlba> ty
[03:24] <MutantTurkey> sooo many wings
[03:24] <MutantTurkey> my stomach
[03:26] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: flux is interesting
[11:13] <rmg51> Morning
[13:17] <ChinnoDog> morning
[13:52] <jedijf> @later tell Mutantturkey but, does it work? <re:flux>
[13:52] <PennBot> jedijf: Command Succeeded.
[14:01] <ChinnoDog> hi lamalex
[15:16] <adom> morning
[23:02] <MutantTurkey> ping pong anyone home
[23:02] <MutantTurkey> can someone look this simple code over for me?
[23:02] <MutantTurkey> http://pastebin.com/b08NQzZ0
[23:08] <Sadin> MutantTurkey improper use for linebreak tag :P
[23:08] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: what?
[23:08] <Sadin>

[23:08] <Sadin> not

[23:08] <Sadin> wont validate correctly
[23:09] <Sadin> line 30.
[23:09] <MutantTurkey> dude what are you talking about
[23:09] <Sadin> your paste
[23:09] <MutantTurkey> what HTML  version are you using to validate this?
[23:09] <Sadin> HTML 5
[23:09] <MutantTurkey> exactly
[23:09] <Sadin> why wouldnt you be using that?
[23:09] <MutantTurkey> this is using HTML4
[23:10] <Sadin> WHY!!!??!! lol
[23:10] <MutantTurkey> because I don't need to use HTML5
[23:10] <Sadin> you dont need to use 4 either
[23:10] <MutantTurkey> this is an archaic and broken system I am using at an internal server
[23:10] <MutantTurkey> that is why
[23:10] <MutantTurkey> half of my clients are using IE6
[23:10] <MutantTurkey> that is why.
[23:10] <MutantTurkey> ok?
[23:10] <MutantTurkey> SO SHUT UP
[23:10] <MutantTurkey> but seriously - html5 is great I love many aspects of it
[23:10] <Sadin> D: calm down
 is correct for HTML4 and HTML5
[23:10] <Sadin> lol
[23:10] <MutantTurkey> except for the fact they removed
[23:10] <MutantTurkey> why would anyone do that!
[23:10] <MutantTurkey> :[
[23:11] <Sadin> MutantTurkey alignment should be handled in CSS
[23:11] <andrew> because  is purely a formatting tag, a task that should be done with CSS
 was stupid imo
[23:11] <MutantTurkey> makes is more complicated
 was great
[23:11] <MutantTurkey> many people used it alot
[23:11] <Sadin> div{
[23:11] <Sadin> div{
[23:11] <MutantTurkey> THAT SUCKS
[23:11] <andrew> No. Case in point: http://www.csszengarden.com/
[23:11] <Sadin> andrew is right.
[23:11] <MutantTurkey> i don't want to create an idiotic div tag to use a single time.
[23:11] <MutantTurkey> for single usage I'd much rather be able to use
[23:12] <MutantTurkey> or if I wanted to make 1 single word a different color?
[23:12] <andrew> What are you trying to center?
[23:12] <Sadin> MutantTurkey you can create a .center class and apply it to any items in your markup that need centering...
[23:12] <MutantTurkey> do I really want to do all that?
[23:12] <MutantTurkey> why bother...
[23:12] <MutantTurkey> why not just use ...
[23:12] <MutantTurkey> the idea of CSS is good - it's just a pain in the but
[23:12] <MutantTurkey> butt'
[23:12] <Sadin> i dont see how your reverse logic is correct here but ill leave you to it :/
[23:13] <andrew> yeah, but it gets to be a pain when a site spans hundreds of pages and you want to make a formatting change
[23:13] <MutantTurkey> times were simpler back then...
[23:23] <jedijf>                       yes
[23:23] <MutantTurkey> right this doesnt have several hunrded spans