[01:40] <talpio> Hi!
[01:41] <talpio> Somebody speak spanish?
[01:41] <darkxst> talpio, no unlikely in here
[01:42] <talpio> ¬¬
[01:42] <b-yeezi> check #ubuntu-es
[01:42] <talpio> b-yeezi: thanks!
[01:43] <b-yeezi> You're welcome
[01:43] <b-yeezi> de nada!
[01:43] <talpio> b-yeezi: entonces hablas español.
[01:44] <darkxst> talpio, if you are stuck with Ubuntu GNOME problem, you are more likely to find spanish speaker on our mailing list
[01:45] <darkxst> talpio, or if you can ask a question in english people here can help
[01:47] <talpio> darkxst: excuse me. Of course, i have no problem. Thanks. I'm new in this
[01:48] <darkxst> talpio, ok, you just looking spanish people
[01:48] <darkxst> speakers to chat with?
[01:50] <talpio> darkxst: exact. Thanks for all
[01:51] <darkxst> talpio, no problem
[06:06] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Do we want 3.15 parts that don't need new gtk in vivid? i.e. gnome-system-monitor 3.15
[06:42] <darkxst> Noskcaj, maybe not quite yet
[06:42] <darkxst> gnome-backgrounds should go in though
[06:45] <darkxst> Noskcaj, would be better to focus on grilo-plugins, appstream-glib etc right now
[06:45] <Noskcaj> ok
[06:45] <Noskcaj> Appstream i'll try and sort when ximion is next awake, i'll look at grilo now
[06:46] <darkxst> me may need to cherry pick a few appatches for grilo-plugins
[06:46] <darkxst> https://git.gnome.org/browse/grilo-plugins/commit/?id=a85c242337e90eef5bc9fa272f8f43853deae322
[06:47] <darkxst> https://git.gnome.org/browse/grilo-plugins/commit/?id=734936dbe166526a1e2ebdc1ffebbab64b2216ee
[06:47] <darkxst> https://git.gnome.org/browse/grilo-plugins/commit/?id=115c0f92e26e67e8fb6054bc109a050cee527707
[06:48] <darkxst> doesnt sound like hadess is planning a release anytime soon
[06:59] <wolter> Can I test wayland in ubuntu-gnome?
[07:03] <Noskcaj> darkxst, I don't know much about grilo, what parts do we need split where?
[07:04] <darkxst> Noskcaj, see my comment #2
[07:05] <darkxst> first group + youtube
[07:05] <darkxst> wolter, yes you can
[07:05] <darkxst> wolter, install gnome-session-wayland (vivid only)
[07:06] <wolter> vivid only or 3.14 with PPA possible?
[07:06] <darkxst> vivid only for now
[07:07] <darkxst> wolter, you could probably install gnome-session from vivid on 14.10 if you really wanted to though
[07:08] <darkxst> no idea if wayland will actually work there though
[07:08] <wolter> I'll research about known issues and see if I give it a go, thanks darkxst
[07:08] <wolter> :D
[07:09] <darkxst> wolter, I doubt anyone has tried it on 14.10 before
[07:09] <wolter> I mean, trying vivid
[07:09] <darkxst> wolter, ok, that would be safer
[07:09] <wolter> Can I upgrade from command line?
[07:10] <darkxst> do-release-upgrade -d
[07:12] <wolter> Thanks again buddy
[07:12] <Noskcaj> Does grilo-plugins-0.2-base + grilo-plugins-0.2 work?
[07:13] <darkxst> that seems a little odd
[07:13] <Noskcaj> How should they be named?
[07:13] <darkxst> -base/-extra?
[07:13] <Noskcaj> ok
[07:14] <darkxst> but do try confirm naming with Alberto,though he didnt reply to my last message
[07:15] <Noskcaj> Will do. One last thing, how should the -dbg package be handled? Do i make 2?
[07:16] <darkxst> Noskcaj, either 2 or drop it and let ddebs take over it
[07:16] <darkxst> (does debian do ddebs though?)
[07:16] <wolter> I can downgrade a release too, can't I?
[07:17] <darkxst> Noskcaj, speaking of which ppa:ubuntu-gnome-packaging/staging is now ddeb enabled
[07:17] <darkxst> wolter, not easily, backup first!!
[07:17] <wolter> darkxst: what do I backup? :O
[07:17] <wolter> \/usr?
[07:18] <darkxst> wolter, depends if you plan to re-install, or just want a snapshot that you can revert to
[07:18] <wolter> Snapshot would be nicer
[07:19] <darkxst> then everything except /proc /sys /var(maybe?) /tmp
[07:22] <darkxst> wolter, but there is probably 1000's of posts on the interwebs that describe it better than I did ;)
[10:41] <jamie_> any one on here right now
[10:48] <darkxst> jamie_, hi
[10:48] <darkxst> !ask
[10:48] <jamie_> darkxst: i am looking for help configuring Thermald
[10:48] <darkxst> what is Thermald?
[10:49] <jamie_> its for adjusting the fan speed and improvement of cooling
[10:50] <darkxst> jamie_, that really seems the wrong way to go about things!
[10:50] <jamie_> my laptop has been shutting down while running certian things due to heat, so was going to adjust the fan speen
[10:50] <darkxst> have you tried tlp?
[10:50] <jamie_> what is that
[10:51] <darkxst> a bunch of udev rules, that enable lots of powersavings on laptops
[10:51] <darkxst> (not actually in the archives)
[10:51] <jamie_> I need it to push more to the fan to increase the amount of air movement
[10:51] <darkxst> jamie_, I don't even know that is possible
[10:52] <darkxst> you should clean out the ducts maybe ;)
[10:52] <jamie_> darkxst: it is... but the config is done in xml... and i dont know xml at all
[10:53] <darkxst> xml is not a language!
[10:53] <jamie_> darkxst: i am running my computers graphic at a hight quality and a lot of the processor percentage
[10:53] <jamie_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagement/ThermalIssues
[10:53] <darkxst> jamie_, get a can of compressed air and squirt into the vents ;)
[10:54] <jamie_> darkxst: dont have the money to... and i just cleaned it out about 2 weeks ago when i changed the TIM
[10:54] <darkxst> claim it on warranty then ;) though you probably just broke that
[10:55] <jamie_> darkxst: no, I built this about 2 years ago and have been upgrading parts here and there... i know what i am doing with hard ware
[10:55] <jamie_> sorry if that came across rude
[10:55] <darkxst> jamie_, oh its a desktop system?
[10:56] <jamie_> no laptop
[10:56] <darkxst> how exactly does one build a laptop?
[10:57] <jamie_> from a frame with only the board in it
[10:57] <jamie_> barebone laptop
[10:57] <darkxst> jamie_, so your responsible for the cooling or lack there-of?
[10:58] <jamie_> it has been fine, its just I am doing a few things i usually dont
[10:58] <jamie_> I do dev for mozilla firefox phone... but I like to tinker with gaming when i have the time
[10:59] <darkxst> jamie_, intel well and truly fixed up their thermal issues after the Prescott fiasco
[11:00] <jamie_> I am using a itel i5 quad
[11:00] <jamie_> *intel
[11:00] <darkxst> jamie_, prescott was P4
[11:00] <darkxst> single core chip with stock cooler would easily hit 100C on full load
[11:00] <jamie_> that was if i know correctly kinda a while ago
[11:01] <jamie_> i have hit 100 before.... kinda scared me
[11:01] <jamie_> darkxst: you would have thought i was doing a burn test
[11:01] <darkxst> p4 was atleast ~10 years ago
[11:01] <jamie_> Im only 20
[11:02] <darkxst> jamie_, overclocking?
[11:02] <jamie_> I know my way around some software about 10 years ago... had not yet touched hardware
[11:03] <jamie_> darkxst: no.... it was about 9 moths ago and i really need to change my TIM
[11:03] <jamie_> so now i change mine about every three months
[11:03] <darkxst> jamie_, again that seems like crock
[11:03] <jamie_> darkxst: waht do you mean
[11:04] <darkxst> jamie_, TIM doesn't just expire like that
[11:04] <darkxst> applied correctly it will last 5 years easy
[11:05] <jamie_> darkxst:  you tend to burn thought TIM when you compile on a regular basis
[11:05] <jamie_> there are times even with my I5 quad that i have used 100 percent of my processor compiling
[11:06] <darkxst> jamie_, in that case you have physical problems affecting airflow
[11:06] <jamie_> I need to increase vent area... but i dont exacly have a way to do that
[11:07] <darkxst> jamie_, laptops are bad like that, you are mostly at the mercy of the dodgy oem desing
[11:07] <darkxst> I do all my heavy lifting on a sandy bridge i5
[11:07] <jamie_> darkxst: :( i know... i was stupid and build this thing is the freaking case of an hp elite book.... the case is kinda small
[11:08] <darkxst> desktop
[11:08] <jamie_> darkxst:  I need a laptop, I tend to be all over the place, so its nice to be able to take my work and fun with me
[11:08] <darkxst> that can't crack 40C unless its really hot
[11:09] <jamie_> darkxst: I kinda want to set up that program to just do a full increase of the fanspeed when i enable it while i am running my games, then when done disable it
[11:09] <darkxst> sure I have a laptop
[11:10] <darkxst> jamie_, solution! don't play games ;)
[11:10] <jamie_> darkxst: I just spent a little while conneceting a ps3 controler to my computer and setting it up properly via wireless and having to have a temp bt daemon
[11:11] <jamie_> and fully compatible with my steam setup
[11:11] <darkxst> and then I Would say buy a thinkpad next time, but they not really gaming laptops
[11:11] <jamie_> mine is fine other than the heat... which is the problem i need to solve
[11:12] <darkxst> jamie_, I once hooked up a ps2 controller to my lpt port (maybe that predates you but where the printers used to plugin)
[11:12] <jamie_> :o
[11:13] <jamie_> i know ps2 very well and I know printers, even old one... the freaking plugs were a little humongous
[11:13] <darkxst> jamie_, only 25pins
[11:13] <jamie_> the way they were designed were humongous
[11:13] <darkxst> maybe 8-10 which are actually used
[11:14] <jamie_> not so much the # of pins but the way they had them spaced
[11:14] <darkxst> jamie_, tech evolves
[11:14] <jamie_> yep :)
[11:14] <jamie_> that is why i am doing dev for the new firefox os
[11:14] <darkxst> you seem to have missed the initial part of that
[11:14] <jamie_> i like to see tech move forward
[11:15] <darkxst> my first computer was some proprietry crap with 16KB ram and tape drive
[11:15] <darkxst> that was before the first intel XT
[11:15] <jamie_> mine I had to build... :\ could not afford one and i wanted one so i learned how to make them from bordem and a lot of trash picked computers and parts....
[11:16] <jamie_> that took awhile....
[11:17] <jamie_> also took a lot of aggravation....
[11:17] <darkxst> jamie_, try building embedded systems ;)
[11:17] <jamie_> darkxst: ....
[11:17] <jamie_> nahh
[11:17] <darkxst> it was all ASM when I did it
[11:18] <jamie_> ill stick with my laptops and desktops.....
[11:18] <darkxst> though these days you can program them with just about what ever langues
[11:18] <darkxst> jamie_, nothing like a custom PCB
[11:18] <jamie_> i just thought of something... my os is not ubuntu genome, ubuntu, kubuntu, or xubuntu
[11:18] <jamie_> xp
[11:19] <darkxst> THERE is not GENOME!
[11:19] <jamie_> sorry
[11:19] <jamie_> gnome
[11:19] <jamie_> I cant sleep and its six am here...
[11:19] <darkxst> jamie_, install Ubuntu GNOME or I will ban you  ;)
[11:19] <jamie_> i do have it
[11:19] <jamie_> in a way
[11:20] <darkxst> install it
[11:20] <jamie_> i am on gnome 3 desktop right now
[11:20] <jamie_> with gdm
[11:20] <jamie_> I took what i wanted from all of the flavors of ubuntu and kinda put it into one
[11:20] <jamie_> but its mosly gnome
[11:21] <jamie_> *mostly
[11:21] <jamie_> I am mad at ubuntu 14.10.....
[11:21] <jamie_> darkxst: but dont worry most of this is gnome
[11:21] <darkxst> jamie_, that is the problem, a lot more work than just mixing packages goes into all this
[11:22] <jamie_> i know, i started with ubuntu-gnome
[11:22] <jamie_> that is why i came here
[11:23] <darkxst> jamie_, people in general don't understand the point of flavours
[11:23] <darkxst> its not just mixing up a list of new packages
[11:23] <jamie_> darkxst: i dont know the fine details but i know there is bug differnces between them
[11:23] <darkxst> we maintain many packages in the real ubuntu archives
[11:23] <jamie_> **big
[11:24] <darkxst> we pressure the ubuntu-desktop team to get what we want
[11:25] <jamie_> :p i do that all the time with fxos... I have to be a pain in the but to master fxos to get what i want pushed to 2.2 master especialy for bug fixing and patches
[11:26] <darkxst> jamie_, probably different, there is a rather large conflict of interest between Ubuntu (ubuntu-desktop) and gnome3
[11:27] <darkxst> that is about 80% dealt with though now
[11:27] <jamie_> Its is a different thing in a way though... the setup is really different, everything in fxos is in html, javascript, and css other than the hardware level... because html cant interact with hardware as im sure we both know
[11:27] <jamie_> sorry was already typing that
[11:27] <darkxst> jamie_, only asm interacts with hardware
[11:29] <jamie_> darkxst: I dont deal with that part... i dont know machine code... that is what the gonk team does, it uses kitkat
[11:29] <jamie_> darkxst: you know what i mean... im not going into that right now... brain is not at full capacity
[11:30] <jamie_> sorry if i am annoying... i tend to ramble and be annoying from time to time
[11:30] <jamie_> if i am feel free to tell me to fuck off (pardon my language)
[11:32] <jamie_> darkxst: i may just take apart my laptop and see if i can increase the vent area
[11:37] <jamie_> well in gonna do that, sorry for the annoyance
[11:40] <darkxst> jamie_, I have super powers here, I would just ban you if you were really that bad
[11:42] <darkxst> I'll let you off now, but take a step and go play with embedded systems, its wau more fun that croaking up dodgy laptop builds ;)
[20:01] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Can packages that aren't seeded in ubuntu be synced even if the add headerbars? e.g. frogr in exp
[20:20] <gurris> hi, i just tried a simulated install of xserver-xorg-lts-utopic on trust, but it removes gdm, gnome-shell and a lot of other pkgs i need, is the LTS upgrade also delayed? Or am I suffering from something else...?
[20:28] <darkxst> Noskcaj, probably ok
[20:29] <darkxst> gurris, probably wait until 14.04.2 is released (next week)
[20:30] <gurris> ok, will do that
[20:30] <gurris> thanks for the info, wanted the updated synaptics driver ... buggy touchpad is driving me nuts :/
[20:32] <gurris> it is a bit confusing with the official info stating the release date to be the 5th still, I only found out from the maillist (and later saw the info in the newsletter)
[20:33] <gurris> darkxst, thanks again


[12:11] <LaserJock> hi doc people!
[01:45] <Burgundavia> is it possible to change me password to the svn repo?
[01:58] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I was wondering that as well
[01:59] <Burgundavia> evidentally not
[01:59] <Burgundavia> you know, not having a phone is a major annoyance
[02:01] <LaserJock> I bet
[02:02] <Burgundavia> my landlord is selling his house and Telus (the bastards) decided to cut off the phone three days ago
[02:06] <LaserJock> that's not right
[02:08] <Burgundavia> this is the same company that took 15 days to reconnect a phone after a move and is widely considered by largely evil and incompetent
[02:09] <Burgundavia> they got investigated for having 2000 complaints to the CRTC (telecom watchdog) in a 4 month span
[02:10] <Burgundavia> ever seen the film "The Corporation", about how evil corporations are and must be? Telus goes beyond that
[02:12] <LaserJock> lol
[02:12] <LaserJock> well, not really
[04:58] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot
[04:59] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[04:59] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot
[04:59] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: found a place yet?
[04:59] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:59] <Burgundavia> only $312
[04:59] <Madpilot> cool, nice deal. Where, and do you need a hand moving sometime this week?
[05:00] <Burgundavia> I need a hand next Sunday, if you are free
[05:01] <Madpilot> Sundays work.
[05:01] <Burgundavia> what about next Sat?
[05:01] <Madpilot> I'm free this coming Saturday too, I think
[05:02] <Burgundavia> ok, the 4th it is
[05:02] <Madpilot> My shifts at Central keep getting swapped between Monday & Saturday, which is an irritation
[05:02] <Burgundavia> ugh
[05:02] <Burgundavia> I love how much personal chatter goes on in this channel
[05:02] <Madpilot> last weekend I had a three day weekend, but I worked Saturday & tomorrow...
[05:03] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, how bad is the spam load to -doc?
[05:03] <Madpilot> wow, mdke must have spent the entire weekend bughunting & doing docteam-svn commits...
[05:03] <jsgotangco> not that much
[05:03] <jsgotangco> around 30+ a day
[05:04] <Burgundavia> -users is about twice that
[05:32] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: did you figure out the svn password thing? I would imagine elmo would have to be the one to change it
[05:34] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, nah, I am not going to worry about it
[05:35] <bhuvan> LaserJock, why would you want to change the password ?
[05:38] <LaserJock> bhuvan: it's hard to remeber?
[05:38] <LaserJock> remember
[06:21] <bhuvan> LaserJock, true. but, it is depend on svn client you use. what's your svn client ?
[06:26] <Madpilot> that'll be a lengthy run of svn up...
[06:38] <LaserJock> bhuvan: client? svn
[06:40] <bhuvan> LaserJock, if so it will remember for you, isnt it ?
[06:40] <LaserJock> right, but if I need to check it out again somwhere else I have to dig up the email that has the password. Not a problem but it does bring up the lack of control we have with the repo
[06:41] <bhuvan> you are correct. but, to checkout we dont require our password. to commit, yes.
[06:42] <bhuvan> LaserJock, yep, you are trying to address different problem anyway!
[06:42] <LaserJock> yeah, Burgundavia just asked and I was just wondering too
[06:44] <bhuvan> bshumate, ping
[06:45] <mpt_> mdke or anyone, how do I stop getting mail about ubuntu-docs bugs?
[06:45] <mpt_> I'm not sure why I'm getting them
[06:46] <LaserJock> mpt_: probably because you are a member of the docteam LP team?
[07:02] <LaserJock> is the building of the html for doc.ubuntu.com from the svn repo automatic (like cron job)?
[07:02] <bhuvan> LaserJock, yes
[07:02] <LaserJock> do you know what time it does it?
[07:03] <bhuvan> LaserJock, i know it is done every day. but not sure about the time
[07:14] <jsgotangco> i used to ahve access to that server but i lost my account credentials
[07:16] <LaserJock> whay to go jsgotangco ;-) just kidding
[07:21] <LaserJock> jeffsch: ping?
[07:45] <robotgeek> LaserJock: hey
[07:47] <robotgeek> wow, my first useful email to the list needs moderation :)
[07:49] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek
[07:49] <LaserJock> really?
[07:49] <robotgeek> i apparently sent a too large an email
[07:49] <LaserJock> oops
[07:49] <robotgeek> i sent 5 patches in one email
[07:50] <jeffsch> LaserJock: pong
[07:50] <robotgeek> jeffsch: i saw your email regarding kde documentation, feel free to move it to en
[07:51] <LaserJock> jeffsch: I was looking at your email as well
[07:51] <jeffsch> :)
[07:51] <LaserJock> jeffsch: I was wondering what packaging you were needing? just somebody to try to package a fresh checkout?
[07:52] <jeffsch> it needs to be put into a .deb and registered with scrollkeeper and tested to see what else (if anything) needs to be done to get it to work
[07:56] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not familiar enough with the packaging to do that very fast (I gotta get to bed soon).
[07:58] <jeffsch> me too, and I won't have time until friday
[07:58] <jeffsch> tuesday at the earliest
[07:59] <LaserJock> well, I can take a look in the morning and/or I can get dholbach to take a look
[08:00] <jeffsch> that would be nice :)
[08:00] <jeffsch> the more eyes the better
[08:00] <crimsun> which mailing list?
[08:00] <LaserJock> -doc
[08:01] <robotgeek> howdy crimsun
[08:01] <LaserJock> crimsun: oh, then you missed out on the mdke bug spamathon ;-)
[08:01] <jsgotangco> let me fix that
[08:01] <robotgeek> i got the most emails i've gotten in a day
[08:01] <robotgeek> i also subscribed to the commits list :)
[08:02] <crimsun> oh trust me, that still doesn't top when I was subbed to lkml, bugtraq, and debian-devel
[08:02] <crimsun> poor mailhost exploded
[08:02] <LaserJock> ouch
[08:02] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:03] <robotgeek> my mail host is gmail :)
[08:03] <LaserJock> hmm, I also need to ask dholbach about the debian/copyright file
[08:04] <jsgotangco> you can ask enrico as well when he's around and not busy
[08:04] <jsgotangco> he's whitelisted anyways
[08:04] <crimsun> I get about 200 per day now, which is fairly manageable
[08:05] <jsgotangco> i only read what interests me
[08:05] <LaserJock> that's about what I get I think. Over Christmas I was at my in-laws and parent and both had 28.8 dialup. It was painful to read mail
[08:33] <mpt> painful to *read* it, or to download it?
[08:49] <mdke> mpt, they go to the mailing list
[08:50] <mpt> mdke, so leaving the Launchpad ubuntu-doc team wouldn't help?
[08:50] <mpt> rats
[08:50] <mpt> I'll set up a filter then :-)
[08:50] <mdke> mpt, we might want to consider a separate list I guess
[08:51] <jsgotangco> let's just forward all bugs to mdke :D
[08:51] <mpt> or just badger BjornT into implementing ProductSubscriptions
[08:52] <mpt> and ProjectSubscriptions
[08:52] <jsgotangco> oh he's been doing it?
[08:52] <mpt> no, that's the problem :-)
[08:58] <mdke> jeffsch, debian/install is the only file that needs to be changed for testing "en". just replace C with en
[08:58] <mdke> (for those guides where you have implemented en)
[08:59] <mdke> then to build, just do "debuild" in the trunk directory (with devscripts installed)
[08:59] <robotgeek> hey mdke
[08:59] <mdke> mornin
[08:59] <mdke> just going for a shower
[09:00] <robotgeek> i got an email about some "size too big" should i resend individually?
[09:00] <jsgotangco> sorry if i'm ignoring list queues or patches; i'm currently moving data from brisbane to LA :/
[09:01] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: hmm, okay. i'll assume that i don't need to resend my email then :)
[09:01] <jsgotangco> if its too big, then you'll have to resend it
[09:01] <robotgeek> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
[09:01] <jsgotangco> oh
[09:01] <robotgeek> anyways, i'll just resend it
[09:01] <jsgotangco> hold on
[09:01] <jsgotangco> let me check first
[09:01] <robotgeek> okay
[09:02] <jsgotangco> how big are the attachments?
[09:02] <jsgotangco> there's nothing on queue
[09:02] <jsgotangco> i've already approved your last email
[09:02] <jsgotangco> the one with 4 or 5 patches
[09:02] <robotgeek> yeah, that one. cool
[09:05] <robotgeek> i signed the files, is that going to affect anything?
[09:06] <robotgeek> cause i don't see the attachments on the mailing list
[09:08] <mdke> mpt, actually ideally I suppose the first email for a bug would go to the list, then none of the subsequent ones
[09:09] <mdke> robotgeek, i see them
[09:09] <mdke> 5 attachments
[09:10] <robotgeek> mdke: cool
[09:10] <robotgeek> alrite then, i'm off to bed :)
[09:35] <bhuvan> mdke, ping
[10:02] <mdke> bhuvan, pong
[10:02] <bhuvan> mdke: shall i go ahead with s/(Desktop) Starter Guide/$1 Guide/gc
[10:03] <mdke> bhuvan, sure go ahead.
[10:03] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[10:04] <jsgotangco> you should say "yes dear leader!"
[10:04] <mdke> :(
[10:04] <mdke> bhuvan, don't worry about the "en" version for now, I think
[10:04] <mdke> just change the C version
[10:05] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[10:05] <jsgotangco> !
[10:23] <mdke> can't get the damn "en" package working
[11:52] <mdke> bhuvan, oy, we'll need that script. Don't worry, I'll get it from the desktopguide version
[11:53] <jsgPC> mdke, nice so shaunm prefers to keep C
[11:53] <mdke> yeah
[11:54] <jsgPC> might as well abide by it
[11:54] <jsgPC> it makes good ground for further research though
[11:55] <mdke> it think you're right
[11:55] <mdke> s/it/i
[01:10] <bhuvan> mdke, ok. why do we need that script btw ?
[01:17] <mdke> bhuvan, it deals with translations
[01:18] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[01:20] <bhuvan> mdke: i wish to discuss about list of server guide authors now if you have time
[01:21] <bhuvan> mdke: i wish to include bshumate in list of contributors. till now his contribution is significant
[01:21] <mdke> bhuvan, absolutely.
[01:21] <mdke> all contributors should be in there
[01:22] <bhuvan> mdke: all significant contributors imo!
[01:22] <mdke> heh
[01:22] <mdke> it's the license that counts
[01:22] <mdke> but yeah, more or less the same thing
[01:23] <bhuvan> ok. i also prefer to remove robert stoffers from the list as havnt contributed to server guide
[01:24] <mdke> didn't he contribute to the sections which were taken from the faqguide?
[01:24] <bhuvan> no idea. if he have contributed to faqguide, sure i must retain then
[01:25] <mdke> the faqguide was largely his work
[01:25] <bhuvan> cool
[01:25] <bhuvan> fine, as i joined after breezy i am unaware. i'll retain, thanks
[01:26] <mdke> np, nice work on adding more sections btw
[01:27] <bhuvan> ok, imo i have almost covered all possible sections
[01:27] <bhuvan> we have covered atleast 80% i guess
[01:28] <bhuvan> looking forward for contributions on "help wanted" sections
[01:28] <bhuvan> btw, as someone suggested during a ccm, i have planned to request fabbione to have a look and get his valuable feedbacks/corrections/additions if any
[01:30] <mdke> excellent idea
[03:55] <jsgotangco> who the heck is editing my timetable page
[05:40] <robotgeek> hey jjesse , the preview should work now
[05:41] <robotgeek> kkathman and i are working on the desktop guide
[11:15] <mhz_translatin> any one here could make sure my english is well written (369 word for a small article about edubuntu) ?
[11:16] <robotgeek_work> sure, i can proofread
[11:16] <mhz_translatin> thx robotgeek_work
[11:16] <mhz_translatin> I'll provide a wiki url for you
[11:16] <robotgeek_work> cool
[11:20] <mhz_translatin> robotgeek_work: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez/ScrapBook/ArticleForJuliux
[11:20] <mhz_translatin> I appreciate your effort
[11:20] <mhz_translatin> and help
[11:21] <robotgeek_work> mhz_translatin: sure, no problem
[11:21] <mhz_translatin> +e
[11:35] <robotgeek_work> mhz_translatin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7789
[11:37] <robotgeek_work> mhz_translatin: also it might be good to rephrase "When we say Edubuntu is a system, we are indeed talking about a set of over 90 applications shipped with Edubuntu so they become integrated inside the educational curriculum at different academic levels, ages and skills." not to use first person speech
[11:37] <robotgeek_work> damn, long paste . sorry
[11:53] <robotgeek_work> mhz_translatin: http://robotgeek.org/wiki/Main/Temp i've rewritten showing yours and mine
[12:00] <mhz_translatin> robotgeek: re


[01:00] <axw> burton-aus: skip standup? just me and you today
[01:00] <axw> burton-aus: I didn't get to your doc yet, but will take a look today
[01:01] <burton-aus> Logging in now
[01:01] <burton-aus> Yep, skipped it, the chrome is extremely slow on my machine
[01:02] <burton-aus> axw let me just send it to you
[01:02] <axw> burton-aus: you already did
[01:02] <axw> burton-aus: I just haven't had a chance to review it yet
[01:03] <axw> I'm talking about the CMR test plan
[01:03] <axw> I realise I wasn't very specific... :p
[01:04] <burton-aus> axe yes, the CMR plan.
[01:04] <burton-aus> axw
[03:15] <axw> burton-aus: what you've got in the test plan sounds good. I think we'll need to expand, but it's a good start, and captures the core requirements
[03:16] <axw> burton-aus: do any of the tests in CI do chaos-y sorts of things? I found an issue last week where breaking a remote controller would cause major issues the local controller. would be good to have some of that automated too
[03:23] <burton-aus> axw not in my knowledge on chaos-y kind of tests.
[03:26] <burton-aus> axw would you send out a detailed story about it?
[22:34] <mup> Bug #1654136 opened: Removing relationship didn't remove subordinate unit <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654136>


[07:04] <UbuntuG> helllo _
[07:04] <UbuntuG> ?
[07:04] <UbuntuG> all
[07:04] <nigelb> yes
[07:13] <UbuntuG> sorry had a phone call
[07:13] <UbuntuG> I ran into  a bad bug
[07:13] <UbuntuG> in the new kernel
[07:14] <UbuntuG> 2.6.32-25
[07:14] <UbuntuG> just came out yesterday or so
[07:14] <UbuntuG> well its nasty
[07:14] <UbuntuG> don't know if anyone else had the same issue
[07:15] <UbuntuG> the fix is to go back to the .24 kernel
[07:15] <UbuntuG> this is the issue
[07:15] <UbuntuG> when using a chat client like aMSN or Skype
[07:15] <UbuntuG> after a trigger, or I am not sure yet
[07:16] <UbuntuG> the keyboard input starts repeating
[07:16] <UbuntuG> as if one pressed any key continuously
[07:16] <UbuntuG> and it get worse
[07:16] <UbuntuG> once you can't enter text
[07:17] <UbuntuG> it freezes your keyboard
[07:17] <UbuntuG> mouse works, but then if you wait too long
[07:17] <UbuntuG> then the last click on item gets clicked for ooo bout 20 or 30 times
[07:17] <UbuntuG> rendering your system toast
[07:18] <UbuntuG> so
[07:18] <UbuntuG> anyone have the same issue
[07:18] <UbuntuG> my next step is to build a custom kernel to my system, and see if that will fix it
[07:19] <UbuntuG> a newbie will trash their system
[07:19] <UbuntuG> with reboots
[07:19] <UbuntuG> hard reboots
[07:20] <UbuntuG> anyone ?
[07:20] <UbuntuG> in grub , thank god for grub and forthought !
[07:20] <nigelb> wel, you're in the wrong channel
[07:21] <UbuntuG> one can still chose the previous kernel
[07:21] <nigelb> Why don't you ask in #ubuntu, that is the support channel.
[07:21] <UbuntuG> i gathered that
[07:21] <nigelb> This is a channel for reviewing patches
[07:21] <UbuntuG> well this is a patch well, it was supposed to be
[07:21] <UbuntuG> for the kernel
[07:21] <nigelb> well, kernel stuff is better asked to the kernel experts in #ubuntu-kernel.
[07:22] <UbuntuG> it addresses a security issue
[07:22] <UbuntuG> ok cool thank you


[12:16] <manchicken> Yeah.
[12:16] <manchicken> http://www.notsosoft.net/snapshots/snapshot3.png
[12:16] <manchicken> http://www.notsosoft.net/snapshots/snapshot2.png
[12:16] <Riddell> where? where?
[12:17] <Riddell> mmm
[12:17] <manchicken> You like?
[12:17] <Riddell> what happens when you click on a module though?
[12:18] <manchicken> The widget stack raises a new module view widget.
[12:18] <manchicken> Above all tabs.
[12:18] <manchicken> So you don't see the tabs.
[12:18] <manchicken> I kinda like it that way.
[12:18] <Riddell> yeah, that seems like a good idea
[12:18] <Riddell> any comment from seele yet?
[12:18] <manchicken> I figure when you're in the module, you should stay there until you want to go back.
[12:18] <sebas> Riddell: Can  you send me your mobile phone number?
[12:18] <Riddell> sebas: jriddell.org/contact.html
[12:18] <sebas> I'm in Edinburgh next week, we could go out for a drink / some food
[12:19] <sebas> Excellent
[12:19] <Riddell> sebas: I'm /probably/ out of town next week
[12:19] <sebas> I'll just try
[12:19] <Riddell> sebas: when are you there?
[12:19] <sebas> Mon afternoon - Sat morning
[12:20] <manchicken> Riddell: Did you get my email with the diffs?
[12:20] <sebas> What's the phone number + country code (doublecheck)?
[12:20] <Riddell> I don't actually plan to be in edinburgh at all next week, but my aunt is about to die so I may be going back there at an unpredictable time
[12:20] <Riddell> +44  take of an 0 at the start
[12:20] <sebas> Thanks.
[12:20] <sebas> Ouch, have strength then
[12:21] <Riddell> mobile numbers in .uk start with 07, landlines with 01 or 02
[12:23] <Riddell> manchicken: I did thanks, but I'm away from home and not likely to be compiling stuff for the next week, but it looks good so I'm happy for anyone else to upload assuming seele agrees it's sane
[12:23] <Riddell> tonio probably a good guy to poke for uploading
[12:24] <manchicken> That's cool.
[12:26] <manchicken> I'll leave the newlywed alone for a while ^_^
[12:27] <Riddell> he's not wed yet!
[12:27] <manchicken> I remember what it was like when I was there ^_^
[12:27] <manchicken> Oh?
[12:27] <manchicken> I suppose I heard wrong.
[12:27] <manchicken> heh
[12:27] <manchicken> ^_^
[12:27] <manchicken> Then I'll give him something else to think about than a wedding.
[12:27] <Riddell> not until 2008 infact
[12:31] <manchicken> Fun.
[01:33] <manchicken> Riddell: What else needs hacking/
[01:37] <jdong> imbrandon: ping
[01:39] <manchicken> I think you're dropping packets..
[01:39] <manchicken> jdong: What you up to?
[01:40] <jdong> I am?
[01:40] <jdong> lol
[01:40] <jdong> :D
[01:40] <jdong> ipod fun
[01:40] <jdong> decided to get a 30G video ipod today
[01:40] <manchicken> Yeah?
[01:40] <jdong> yeah,
[01:40] <jdong> so far I like it
[01:40] <jdong> it doesn't seem evil at all ;-)
[01:40] <manchicken> Those are great for throwing rockbox on.
[01:40] <manchicken> The ipod itself can be okay.
[01:40] <manchicken> It's itunes that is evil ^_^
[01:40] <jdong> manchicken: call me when it plays realtime H264/AAC's
[01:41] <jdong> well, I haven't seen itunes yet
[01:41] <jdong> what's that? ;-)
[01:41] <manchicken> Why would you want to play AAC?
[01:41] <jdong> manchicken: videos
[01:41] <manchicken> AAC is a DRMed format.
[01:41] <jdong> manchicken: no it's not
[01:42] <jdong> DRM'ed m4a's are a drm'ed format
[01:42] <jdong> aac is an mpeg-4 audio standard
[01:42] <jdong> was just wondering if amarok supports / will support transferring videos to ipods
[01:42] <jdong> I tried doing one and it put the video in the audio folders
[01:43] <jdong> and needless to say that didn't work all that well
[01:43] <manchicken> ogg is nice.
[01:43] <jdong> on the bright side I did see what a rebooting ipod looks like
[01:43] <jdong> I like ogg too
[01:43] <manchicken> The OEM ipod firmware works.
[01:43] <jdong> it just doesn't let me encode 64kbit sound tracks to my movies and still hear them
[01:43] <manchicken> It's just the stupid DRM crap
[01:43] <jdong> well, I'm not putting any drm songs
[01:43] <jdong> or buying drm'ed content
[01:43] <jdong> I'll probably try rockbox for fun within the next few days
[01:44] <jdong> but for now I'll use the ipod the way it is
[01:44] <manchicken> Just make sure you dd your firmware.
[01:44] <jdong> aye
[01:45] <manchicken> I have no problem with devices that support it.  It's the people who sell the content who're to blame, not the ones selling the devices.
[01:45] <jdong> I see
[01:45] <jdong> all I know is...
[01:45] <jdong> I've looked around and tried a lot of video players
[01:45] <manchicken> I'm sure Creative would love to avoid spending money on research and licensing fees, but with geniuses like the CEO of Universal Records forcing DRM down our throats they have little choice.
[01:46] <jdong> and the ipod still comes back as my favorite
[01:46] <manchicken> I'm looking to nab one of those Neuros music players.
[01:46] <manchicken> 80GB, internal FM broadcaster.
[01:46] <jdong> the main reason though...
[01:46] <jdong> I've got a local warehouse store here
[01:46] <manchicken> I have no interest in videos.
[01:46] <jdong> that has an infinite return policy
[01:46] <jdong> and they only carry ipods
[01:46] <jdong> so I'd rather buy from them
[01:47] <jdong> over the years I've really developed a loyalty to the store
[01:47] <manchicken> As I said, I kinda like ipods.
[01:47] <manchicken> My wife has one.
[01:47] <manchicken> It's nice.
[01:47] <jdong> I returned a flat panel the other day that broke after 4 years of duty
[01:47] <jdong> got my $400 back
[01:47] <nixternal> i run Rockbox on my iPoop
[01:47] <jdong> and I lost the receipt too
[01:47] <jdong> I'm mainly getting it for the video support...
[01:48] <jdong> that's my primary motivation
[01:48] <jdong> so unfortunately ipodlinux/rockbox don't suit me well for that :(
[01:48] <manchicken> I run OEM firmware.
[01:48] <manchicken> I believe the Neuros one may have free software firmware
[01:49] <manchicken> I'm gonna be awful bored this week without something to hack.
[01:49] <nixternal> iPodLinux has a long way to go yet
[01:49] <nixternal> Rockbox + Amarok need to socialize and pick up the speed as well
[01:50] <manchicken> I don't think that we need to put a linux kernel on everything.
[01:50] <manchicken> Linux is **NOT** the best kernel for all computing needs.
[01:50] <manchicken> Mobile music players particularly.
[01:51] <manchicken> I have no pride in the linux kernel.
[01:51] <manchicken> It's about Freedom in software, not any specific kernel.
[01:52] <manchicken> which reminds me...
[01:52] <nixternal> amen
[01:52] <manchicken> I'm wanting to check out GNU with a Darwin kernel.
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hey manchicken
[01:52] <manchicken> Wuddup man?
[01:52] <nixternal> lol
[01:53] <manchicken> (or woman?)
[01:53] <manchicken> (has no idea)
[01:53] <manchicken> Ah.
[01:53] <nixternal> hehe
[01:53] <manchicken> I'll do my best to remember ^_^
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:54] <manchicken> 9 times out of 10 I'm right on the money.
[01:54] <manchicken> We need more she-hackers out there ^_^
[01:54] <nixternal> manchicken: she will make you remember with the "long pointy stick of doom"
[01:54] <nixternal> manchicken: CoDLUG now has a she-hacker :)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> manchicken: true that.  and i need to learn how to program :P
[01:54] <manchicken> did you see my patch?
[01:55] <manchicken> C++ classes are overrated.
[01:55] <nixternal> im taking it next semester Hobbsee
[01:55] <manchicken> I took one.
[01:55] <manchicken> I didn't really care for it.
[01:55] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:55] <nixternal> i need as much programming course as the government will pay for
[01:55] <manchicken> Though I'm generally biased against programming courses though, so take my opinion for what it's worth ;)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> my timetable sucks if i'm going to do the classes for my degree (grumble)
[01:56] <manchicken> Why don't you just start programming?
[01:56] <manchicken> ^_^
[01:56] <manchicken> You think I've got oodles of C++ experience?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> i do, a bit
[01:57] <Hobbsee> main problem is a lack of time
[01:57] <manchicken> Good ^_^
[01:57] <manchicken> I know that feeling.
[02:00] <ryanakca> nixternal: you know about packaging kde4 apps?
[02:01] <nixternal> can't say that i do just yet
[02:01] <nixternal> i was planning on starting with some kde4 stuff within the next week or so as well
[02:03] <ryanakca> Riddell: You around? I'm wondering about qmake.mk & qmake-qt4...
[02:05] <nixternal> well, ls -l qmake.mk to see if it is pointing to a v3 or v4 maker..i use qmake-qt4
[02:22] <manchicken> I thought they were using cmake for everything now.
[02:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: qmake.mk uses qmake... (qmake-qt3)
[02:33] <nixternal> i wonder if you install qt4, is it a simple update-alternative
[02:37] <ryanakca> no clue
[02:43] <manchicken> nixternal: You got any PPC branded discs?
[02:43] <manchicken> ^_^
[02:43] <manchicken> And/or more edubuntu?
[02:45] <nixternal> i might have a couple of the PPC discs, and yes I have more Edubuntu as well
[02:45] <nixternal> do you need more?
[02:51] <manchicken> If you have more x86-32 edubuntu, I could use them.
[02:51] <manchicken> I'm in talks to supply the God Father program with edubuntu.
[02:51] <manchicken> They want me to talk to their volunteers in January about how Free software can help children and low-income families.
[02:53] <manchicken> If you can, I'd like to see if you want to tag along.
[02:53] <manchicken> Details are TBD.
[02:53] <manchicken> Since you're the one with the hookup.
[03:10] <ryanakca> apokryphos: mind if I reject our bug 67017 ?
[03:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67017 in kdeutils "KWallets disappear after 061017's upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67017
[03:10] <ryanakca> well, set it to fix released?
[04:40] <nixternal> manchicken: sorry, i was watching little people, big world :)  sure i am sure i could help out with that project, just let me know
[04:40] <manchicken> Groovy.
[04:41] <manchicken> It's a faith-based youth program here on the south side.  I wanted to volunteer, but they only have stuff going on while I'm at work, so this is how I'm helping.
[04:42] <nixternal> nice
[04:49] <manchicken> This guy is trying to update openoffice, and I told him to try updating with apt-get and he keeps doing stuff in adept
[04:50] <manchicken> I'm not even convinced that oo.org 2.0.4 was backported to dapper.
[04:51] <nixternal> no it wasn't
[04:51] <nixternal> not yet at least
[04:54] <nixternal> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/allpackages.en.txt.gz
[05:00] <bddebian> OK, I give up on kssh
[05:01] <manchicken> What benefit does kssh give you that just using konsole with openssh doesn't give you?
[05:02] <bddebian> I could personally care less about kssh :-)
[05:02] <bddebian> I was trying to help ryanakca
[05:03] <manchicken> Oh, you were doing the merge?
[05:03] <bddebian> Is it on the merge list?
[05:03] <nixternal> bddebian is my package uploading freak..he went on a rampage the other day with my bogus packages :)
[05:04] <ryanakca> manchicken: it's like putty, it stores sessions, etc
[05:04] <manchicken> I thought I saw it on the merge list.
[05:04] <bddebian> Well the upstream build system is jacked I think
[05:04] <bddebian> I don't even see a version of it in the archives currently?
[05:05] <manchicken> ryanakca: I guess I've always just been more of a raw terminal guy.
[05:05] <manchicken> On windows I won't use putty, I just use xterm with cygwin
[05:06] <ryanakca> manchicken: http://kssh.sourceforge.net/
[05:06] <ryanakca> manchicken: same, but people have been asking for it
[05:06] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:06] <manchicken> That's where I saw it.
[05:06] <manchicken> The requests list.
[05:07] <bddebian> What's weird is I get the same error if I build it outside of the source tree.  Then I do a ./configure in the source tree and a make distclean and then a build outside the source tree it works
[05:08] <ryanakca> now, for the brave among you, http://dpaste.com/3844/ (qmake-qt4 & cdbs)
[05:08] <ryanakca> I get those errors
[05:09] <ryanakca> bddebian: yeah... I think the people who need kssh are terminal savyy enough to open up console or switch to vt1 and use plain old command line ssh
[05:09] <ryanakca> s/console/konsole
[05:14] <bddebian> Well it SHOULD work :-(
[05:15] <ryanakca> hmm... it's demented...
[05:16] <ryanakca> who's ubuntu's "best" packager? we should dump it on their laps
[05:16] <bddebian> Sure as hell ain't me obviously :-)
[05:17] <ryanakca> anywais, really going to bed :)
[05:17] <ryanakca> nor me :)
[05:18] <manchicken> LMAO.
[05:18] <bddebian> Gnight
[05:19] <manchicken> This guy thought he'd installed some edgy packages on his dapper build, and I was trying to help him out, and he just says "manchicken ty for help  i will reinstall whole system"
[05:21] <bddebian> Eeks
[05:22] <freeflying_> hi all
[05:22] <manchicken> howdy.
[05:23] <bddebian> Heya freeflying_
[05:32] <manchicken> So, what else needs hacking?
[05:36] <bddebian> manchicken: kssh ;-P
[05:38] <manchicken> I thought that just needed packaging...
[05:38] <imbrandon> jdong: pong
[05:38] <imbrandon> moins all
[05:39] <freeflying_> imbrandon: hi
[05:39] <manchicken> imbrandon: did you see my patch?
[05:39] <imbrandon> manchicken: ? where
[05:39] <imbrandon> heya freeflying_
[05:40] <manchicken> I sent one to you and I think I may have sent 2 to the kubuntu-devel list.
[05:40] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[05:41] <imbrandon> manchicken<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[05:41] <imbrandon> cool
[05:41] <imbrandon> i'll check here in just a sec
[05:42] <manchicken> ubuntu I believe.
[05:43] <imbrandon> kk
[05:43] <imbrandon> yea i get both , no big deal, the main thing was the imbrandon@
[05:43] <imbrandon> :)
[05:44] <bddebian> manchicken: Sure, it "just needs packaging" :-)
[05:45] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[05:45] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[05:45] <manchicken> bddebian: I'm not a packaging kinda guy... I'm nothing but a humble hacker.
[05:45] <bddebian> Well I'm neither, so touche :)
[05:45] <imbrandon> bddebian: shush
[05:45] <imbrandon> :)
[05:46] <imbrandon> manchicken: well hackin and packin are very similar at times, alot you need the skills of the other to get the job done :)
[05:46] <imbrandon> s/alot/alot\ of\ times/
[05:46] <manchicken> imbrandon: Did you see my screenshots?
[05:47] <jdong> imbrandon: ok, since I'm awake, I'll ask anyway
[05:47] <jdong> imbrandon: quick question... what in KDE-land can transfer videos onto an ipod?
[05:48] <imbrandon> jdong: no ida i only have a music ipod ( nano ) so i never tried, but i'll lookinto if libgpod does it
[05:48] <imbrandon> tonight
[05:48] <imbrandon> manchicken: i havent checked my mail yet, i'll check it here in a few minutes when i wakeup a bit
[05:48] <jdong> imbrandon: thanks very much, nighty night :)
[05:49] <manchicken> imbrandon: Consciousness is for the weak. ;)
[05:49] <imbrandon> :)
[05:49] <bddebian> heh
[05:49] <imbrandon> :)
[05:51] <imbrandon> whats your real name ( or email ) so i search my email
[05:51] <imbrandon> i have TONS of messages :)
[05:53] <manchicken> Michael D. Stemle, Jr.
[05:53] <imbrandon> ahh right the systemsetting email
[05:53] <manchicken> From manchicken at notsosoft dot net
[05:53] <manchicken> Yeah.
[05:53] <manchicken> That's the feller.
[05:54] <imbrandon> kk yea i glanced over that, looks ok to me, i'll have a closer look here in about ~1 hour when i get into the office
[05:54] <imbrandon> and have had some coffee
[05:54] <imbrandon> :)
[05:55] <imbrandon> has it been sent upstream also ?
[05:55] <imbrandon> or just to us?
[05:55] <imbrandon> or ...
[05:55] <manchicken> I wasn't aware that kde-systemsettings was externally maintained.
[05:56] <manchicken> If you tell me who to send patches to, I'll send patches.
[05:56] <manchicken> It's not a terribly neat change, but it does make the UI more intuitive.
[05:56] <imbrandon> yea its an actual kde project afaik :) sebas and el are the "fathers" of it , i'll look into it a bit more for you exactly
[05:57] <imbrandon> will you be on for another hour or two ?
[05:57] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:57] <manchicken> I'll be on for another hour.
[05:57] <manchicken> i've gotta teach a youth group tomorrow.
[05:57] <manchicken> heh
[05:58] <imbrandon> kk i'm headed tot he office now, if i dont catch you when i get in there i'll email you a little more details, its not that we cant include it without being upstream also but the changes may benifet all :)
[05:59] <imbrandon> so we'll try to do both if thats cool with you
[05:59] <manchicken> Totally.
[06:00] <imbrandon> ok i'm off for ~45 minutes to an hour, brb
[06:06] <nixternal> laptop went into hybernate due to battery dropping to 5%, i brought it out, and sound doesn't work...file a bug against???
[06:07] <manchicken> Ouch.
[06:08] <manchicken> Anything in dmesg?
[06:08] <nixternal> nothing out of the ordinaary
[06:12] <nixternal> nothing like a friendly reboot to fix the problem
[06:12] <manchicken> I hate rebooting to solve those problems.
[06:12] <manchicken> Did you try the rmmod && modprobe method?
[06:13] <nixternal> of course not
[06:13] <nixternal> i needed to reboot it anyways
[06:14] <manchicken> I finally rebooted for those kernel updates about 2 hours ago.
[06:41] <manchicken> night all
[06:48] <nixternal> g'nite mikeypoo
[06:50] <imbrandon> re
[06:55] <nixternal> ro
[09:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i've thrown a versoin of the new libmtp onto revu for you to upload, if you want
[09:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: else i can find a sponsor for it (and then rebuild amarok, presumably(
[09:43] <imbrandon> kk i'll grab it in a minute
[09:44] <imbrandon> new from upstream or debian ?
[09:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: upstream
[09:44] <imbrandon> k
[09:44] <imbrandon> then i need to upload to debian too tonight
[09:44] <Hobbsee> libmtp appears not to exist in debian
[09:44] <imbrandon> yea i have the itp for it
[09:44] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:44] <Hobbsee> cool
[09:44] <imbrandon> its in new , or should be shortly
[09:45] <Hobbsee> cool
[09:46] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: i dont see it on revu
[09:47] <imbrandon> wanna just mail me a debdiff ( or post it somewhere ? )
[09:55] <imbrandon> nvm its on revu now
[10:02] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: uploaded , thanks!
[10:02] <imbrandon> once its in the archive i'll rebuild amarok against it
[10:24] <apokryphos> ryanakca: sure
[11:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool
[11:55] <MidMark> hi, someone have ever tried to install libqt3-mt-dev? It fails!
[11:56] <MidMark> Bug #66905
[11:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66905 in qt-x11-free "libqt3-mt-dev doesn't install due to libglu1-mesa-dev dependencies problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66905
[11:58] <gnomefreak> MidMark: using beryl/compiz?
[11:59] <gnomefreak> MidMark: it installs fine here
[11:59] <MidMark> I have installed in the past
[12:00] <MidMark> so the solution is uninstall libgl1-mesa and installs again?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> i9 didnt have to uninstall it
[12:00] <Hobbsee> MidMark: probably.
[12:00] <Hobbsee> well, you have to fix the deps, anyway
[12:01] <MidMark> yes I cannot, he wants to uninstall ALL :(
[12:01] <gnomefreak> MidMark: try sudo apt-get -f install
[12:01] <Hobbsee> you need to manually install libglu1-mesa (version 6.5.1-20060817) and then stay away from beryl.
[12:01] <Hobbsee> and other crack
[12:01] <Hobbsee> ie, download it, or grab it from your apt-cache, then dpkg -i it
[12:01] <MidMark> I have never touched beryl, only compiz
[12:02] <gnomefreak> compiz was the one with the libglu1-mesa version issues
[12:03] <gnomefreak> i have feisty compiz & edgy beryl installed and i have no depends issues so far (im just lucky though)
[12:03] <Hobbsee> stay away from compiz too then, unless it's hte version in the ubuntu repos
[12:03] <MidMark> why there is no libglu1-mesa in packages.ubuntu.com
[12:03] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: hopefully not the edgy beryl on feisty?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: the version in feisty is all good
[12:03] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: yep
[12:03] <gnomefreak> not for long i wont
[12:04] <gnomefreak> but for next few days i will
[12:04] <Hobbsee> MidMark: because your'e looking at sources?
[12:04] <MidMark> ok found....
[12:04] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ madison libglu1-mesa
[12:04] <Hobbsee> libglu1-mesa | 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Packages
[12:04] <Hobbsee> libglu1-mesa | 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[12:04] <Hobbsee>       mesa | 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources
[12:04] <MidMark> no, try to search libglu1-mesa in the search, for package, nothing
[12:04] <MidMark> I've Edgy :)
[12:05] <MidMark> anyway I found it searching only mesa
[12:05] <gnomefreak> MidMark: you are on edgy?
[12:05] <MidMark> gnomefreak: yes
[12:06] <gnomefreak> MidMark: than why did you file a bug agaisnt feisty
[12:06] <MidMark> I didn't filed the bug if you see, I'm Cimmo
[12:06] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:06] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it doesnt say feisty
[12:06] <Hobbsee> that being said, i'm rejecting it
[12:07] <MidMark> the bug was only in french, with a stupid subject
[12:07] <gnomefreak> MidMark: the reason for your issue is you once had old compiz installed and thats why you have the depends issue
[12:07] <MidMark> gnomefreak: understood, sorry for that
[12:07] <gnomefreak> ty Hobbsee i was gonna do that if you didnt ;)
[12:07] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: :)
[12:08] <MidMark> now it works, thanx :)
[12:09] <MidMark> Hobbsee: as you can see I've helped to close a 2 months bug older... and continue...
[12:09] <Hobbsee> MidMark: yay, thankyou :)
[12:10] <MidMark> Hobbsee: also there is a debdiff proposal now for wxwidgets edgy version
[12:10] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: now compiz in feisty repos is packaged by seb :) and its fairly nice with easy setup :)
[12:10] <Hobbsee> for a SRU?  you've followed !sru, presumably?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes, then they cant break in such a way that we cant fix it :)
[12:11] <gnomefreak> yep :)
[12:12] <MidMark> Hobbsee: see the bug, I'm not the debdiff builder
[12:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: FYI, you dont have to change the changelog for what release it builds on - just tell it which pbuilder to use, or build it on your own system, and it will take that arch and release
[12:19] <MidMark> anyway I don't want to flame, but synaptic is faster and better than adept... I have tried and love it since it hasn't all the bug of adept...
[12:20] <Hobbsee> MidMark: it requires installing a whole lot of gtk libs by default to run, though
[12:22] <gnomefreak> MidMark: apt is much more versital/faster/easier than synaptic/adept
[12:22] <gnomefreak> :) brb smoke
[12:22] <MidMark> Hobbsee: yes but when you run it loads everythings in 1/5 of times, it supports user requests (like sun-java5), it adds cdrom to sources and it shows to you WHY a package won't install, by the way, with adept I wasn't able to discover that I cannot install libqt3-mt-dev due to libglu1-mesa
[12:22] <Hobbsee> MidMark: i know.  actually, you may have, by hitting "show details"
[12:23] <MidMark> Hobbsee: it isn't enough... if you have >20 dependencies? You try all?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> i dont use adept
[12:24] <Hobbsee> well, not much
[12:25] <MidMark> mmm I have another dep problem: anyone can install libartsc0-dev?
[12:25] <Hobbsee> MidMark: yep
[12:26] <MidMark> damn!
[12:26] <MidMark> I have dapper package?1?!?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> among other things
[12:29] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[12:29] <MidMark> I had arts 1.5.5 from dapper... probably another unofficial repo
[12:29] <Hobbsee> quite likely
[12:29] <gnomefreak> !info arts dapper
[12:30] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[12:30] <gnomefreak> !info arts
[12:30] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.4-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[12:30] <Hobbsee> must have been a crackport
[12:30] <Hobbsee> ooh, a definite crackport then.  the majority of arts crashed constantly with any kde release
[12:30] <gnomefreak> thats what im thinking unless its for kde 3.5.5
[12:30] <Hobbsee> did we do kde 3.5.5 for dapper?
[12:31] <gnomefreak> nope
[12:31] <Hobbsee> MidMark: run apt-cache policy libartsc0-dev
[12:31] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: that doesnt mean someone did ;)
[12:31] <MidMark> just resolved by myself, ubuntu.package.com is my bible
[12:31] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: most people arent insane enough to compile kde
[12:32] <gnomefreak> lol only you huh ;)
[12:32] <gnomefreak> MidMark: whole lot faster with wget :)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i didnt do any of them :P
[12:33] <gnomefreak> smart woman :)
[12:33] <gnomefreak> almost built it for konsole :(
[12:33] <MidMark> gnomefreak: I prefer staying without console, I can use it and I'm faster, but I have friends that are not skilled and smart, I've to keep in my mind, and follow their procedures (visual not consoles)
[12:33] <MidMark> all linux have to follow that procedure for me
[12:33] <MidMark> all linux devels I mean
[12:34] <MidMark> linux (kubuntu) will never have success if console is still needed
[12:34] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: mind you, looks like we're doing daily builds for kde4 soon
[12:34] <Hobbsee> MidMark: perhaps.  yet you'll never entirely eliminate it
[12:34] <gnomefreak> MidMark: console is never NEEDED in ubuntu but helpful
[12:35] <Hobbsee> MidMark: define sucess, anyway
[12:35] <Hobbsee> and a text editor is *not* the console
[12:35] <apokryphos> I think it's still used quite a bit for a few actions
[12:35] <MidMark> gnomefreak: are you sure?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: is it gonna be meta package or single items
[12:35] <MidMark> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperWhatStillNeedsAConsole
[12:35] <gnomefreak> MidMark: yes very
[12:35] <MidMark> made by myself and totally applicable to Edgy
[12:36] <MidMark> gnomefreak: it can easy to understand that you didn't try to do all without console, I did... and this is the result
[12:36] <gnomefreak> none of them are true
[12:36] <MidMark> gnomefreak: what?
[12:36] <gnomefreak> you can add cdrom repo with synaptic/maybe adept
[12:36] <MidMark> gnomefreak: it say ADEPT, and no, with it you can't
[12:37] <gnomefreak> to install packages or configure packages adept can do
[12:37] <MidMark> gnomefreak: before judge, TRY!
[12:37] <gnomefreak> MidMark: why cant you?
[12:37] <MidMark> gnomefreak: TRY!
[12:37] <apokryphos> the sources.list one isn't true
[12:37] <gnomefreak> MidMark: i also didnt say it for kde i said ubuntu
[12:37] <apokryphos> there's always the right-click edit with root option I believe
[12:37] <gnomefreak> wget ther eis a gui app for iot
[12:37] <MidMark> gnomefreak: for ubuntu there is another page
[12:37] <MidMark> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDapperWhatStillNeedsAConsole
[12:38] <gnomefreak> Removing a symbolic link that points to a file/directory on another file system   (right click the symlink and delete
[12:38] <gnomefreak> symlink making is only thing im not sure how to do in GUI
[12:39] <MidMark> apokryphos: where is edit as root? I can see only in krusader :/
[12:39] <gnomefreak> to open read only use nautilus without gksudo
[12:39] <gnomefreak> MidMark: also remember alot of things have changed since dapper
[12:39] <MidMark> gnomefreak: I don't know the ubuntu ones, I use kubuntu and I reported the kubuntu one, someone else copied for ubuntu
[12:40] <MidMark> for kubuntu I'm sure they are all TRUE
[12:41] <gnomefreak> the 2nd point is very false
[12:41] <MidMark> gnomefreak: which one?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> unlock adlept you can log out
[12:42] <gnomefreak> to install some packages that ask for a user interaction (ex. Java) you need a  sudo apt-get install <package>
[12:42] <gnomefreak> you can install java flash or anything else in adept
[12:42] <MidMark> gnomefreak: java not!
[12:42] <gnomefreak> MidMark: why not?
[12:42] <MidMark> gnomefreak: TRY TRY TRY
[12:42] <MidMark> you will see
[12:43] <apokryphos> ok, calm down
[12:43] <MidMark> gnomefreak: I'm calm, I don' t like people that hasn't tried and say that they are false!
[12:43] <gnomefreak> btw im not on dapper and im fairly sure i can
[12:44] <MidMark> gnomefreak: I'm in Edgy you cannot
[12:44] <Hobbsee> MidMark: when will you write a qt frontend to synaptic?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> MidMark: because that's the only way that adept will stop being distributed
[12:44] <apokryphos> when wil apt be scrapped? :P
[12:44] <MidMark> Hobbsee: :)
[12:44] <Hobbsee> MidMark: did you ever try ksynaptic?  it truly truly sucks.
[12:45] <apokryphos> oh yeah
[12:45] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: yeah, bring in smart and no source packages.
[12:45] <apokryphos> I thought that was added in 0.5
[12:45] <MidMark> gnomefreak: the point isn't if you like or not, but if they are true or not, and they are all true! they all require manual console adjusts!
[12:46] <apokryphos> but anyway, it wouldn't be at all hard to implement
[12:46] <apokryphos> I'm not saying smart is the solution, anyway. I think it'd be a very bad idea for Ubuntu to go with it, really. It'd require an insane amount of work.
[12:46] <Hobbsee> MidMark: get writing then
[12:46] <gnomefreak> it just installed fine for me
[12:46] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: no idea.  what is the solution?
[12:46] <apokryphos> who knows
[12:47] <MidMark> gnomefreak: what?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> MidMark: sun-java5-plugin installed fine in adept
[12:47] <MidMark> gnomefreak: of course :)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> even shows installed
[12:47] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: the licencing thingo.  it doesnt, known issue
[12:47] <apokryphos> doesn't stop apt sucking :P
[12:47] <gnomefreak> MidMark: you said it didnt
[12:47] <MidMark> gnomefreak: you have to install sun-java5-jre and bin not plugin
[12:48] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: the trouble is, they all seem to suck, or otherwise not work for how we want to implement it
[12:48] <MidMark> the one that ask you the license
[12:48] <apokryphos> well, nothing new. Most package management suck. Sigh.
[12:48] <gnomefreak> MidMark: plugin installs those both among other packages
[12:48] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: however, apt appears to do better than rpm
[12:48] <apokryphos> apt and rpm are not mutually exclusive
[12:48] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: yes, with the alien
[12:48] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i think smart also will do it but havent tried
[12:48] <apokryphos> no, as in, I think you mean rpm vs. debs/dpkg
[12:48] <MidMark> gnomefreak: apart plugins, have you tried to install WITH adept jre and bin?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: i meant between using all of one, or all of the other, apt wins
[12:49] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: point.  i did, sorry
[12:49] <Hobbsee> okay, what i actually meant was yast and apt
[12:49] <gnomefreak> MidMark: again works fine i have tried it before i used to be a kde only user
[12:49] <apokryphos> I haven't really seen anything to suggest that debs have much over rpms, actually
[12:49] <Hobbsee> blergh, someone's messing with my head again.
[12:49] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: apologies, i meant yast and apt
[12:49] <apokryphos> and I do know that rpm is biarch-compatible, while dpkg isn't
[12:49] <MidMark> gnomefreak: impossible, if you try with Edgy you cannot, tried 3 days ago with a fresh edgy install
[12:49] <MidMark> I'm 107% sure
[12:50] <apokryphos> "yast" is ambigious. There are a couple of backends that can run with yast
[12:50] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: whatever is the default in suse?
[12:50] <MidMark> the problem is the license asking for ok issue
[12:50] <apokryphos> zmd sucks, opensuse software management is good, but lacks quite a few things
[12:50] <apokryphos> yast is certainly the prettiest/most-user-friendly package management front-end I've seen, while still having all the power
[12:51] <Hobbsee> true
[12:51] <Hobbsee> as long as it doesnt freeze
[12:51] <gnomefreak> well sometime in the next week i will try on it a clean install of kubuntu but i dont see me having an issue and if adept doesnt pop up the lic. than adept needs to be fixed thats not kubuntu issue thats upstream kde
[12:51] <apokryphos> there's a new tool "zypper" out now which is very good but nto totally mature
[12:51] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: slowest too
[12:51] <apokryphos> part of the opensuse software management stack
[12:51] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: only with zmd :P
[12:51] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:52] <MidMark> gnomefreak: yes it's adept upstream problem, it is reported too in kde BR for months...
[12:52] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: mornfall knew about it, has no idea how to fix it
[12:52] <MidMark> none cares about it
[12:52] <Hobbsee> s/knew/knows/
[12:52] <apokryphos> is mornfall maintaining adept much these days?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: ish.  a little.  maybe more so than before
[12:52] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: than i think adept needs a big overhaul of their devel
[12:52] <Hobbsee> he's pushing to extend it to RPM's
[12:52] <apokryphos> still employed by redhat?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes, apparently the code is crap
[12:53] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: shouldnt be that hard to add a popup
[12:53] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: no?  no idea
[12:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: -ENOPEOPLE
[12:53] <MidMark> Hobbsee: can open a console and dbus all the contents to it
[12:53] <Hobbsee> MidMark: sorry?
[12:53] <MidMark> I was just try to imagine the solution
[12:53] <gnomefreak> than maybe its a good idea to replace adept with that other package kpkgmanager
[12:53] <apokryphos> hm, maybe he wasn't actually
[12:54] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: now that really sucks.  you cant do that
[12:54] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: which sucks
[12:54] <Hobbsee> there are a couple of really nice smart-based ones around, or rpm based ones.  if you could teach them how to handle debs and all that, you'd be fine
[12:54] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: 2 sucky apps for apt frontends is a big regression
[12:54] <Hobbsee> or write a qt frontend to synatpic
[12:54] <apokryphos> the smart one is a lot like synaptic
[12:55] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: smartpm handles rpms and debs very well
[12:55] <apokryphos> mainly because the developer made (with others) synaptic too :P
[12:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:55] <Hobbsee> (within kubuntu)
[12:55] <MidMark> synaptic uses a console-emulator or something similar
[12:55] <apokryphos> it's gtk
[12:55] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: its gtk but its also CLI based if you like
[12:55] <apokryphos> works ok, but just nto as nice as yast's frontend
[12:55] <apokryphos> it has a root-jail session too, like y2pmsh
[12:56] <gnomefreak> yasts been around for many years
[12:56] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it'd need to be qt for inclusion in kubuntu (as a replacement)
[12:56] <apokryphos> it just means you can do many operations at once, by going into a jail session, and then commiting
[12:56] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: it would need so much more than that to be replacement in ubuntu :P
[12:56] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: hehe, probably
[12:56] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i know but how hard can it be to make qt version for someone that knows qt
[12:57] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: -ENOPEOPLE
[12:57] <apokryphos> it's one of the specs listed on the wiki page
[12:57] <apokryphos> but all the hype about smart has died down in ubuntu, generally. Maybe a good thing.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:57] <apokryphos> it was mentioned that ubuntu's not going to be working on biarch-compatibility, on the ML
[12:58] <gnomefreak> it has a few annoying bugs that are fixed in 0.5.0 but it was denied for feisty so far waiting for debian to get it out of new
[12:58] <MidMark> gnomefreak: anyway installs kubuntu edgy and try all the thing I've listed... if there are some wrongs then correct them :)
[12:58] <apokryphos> a real shame, but maybe practical
[12:59] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i was thinking as a replacement ;P
[01:00] <gnomefreak> replacement of .deb?
[01:00] <Hobbsee> of adept
[01:01] <gnomefreak> oh hell anything but adept
[01:01] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:01] <Hobbsee> except ksynaptic
[01:01] <gnomefreak> its not as up-to-date as anything else
[01:01] <mhb> hmm ... I'm not sure if there's a better package manager
[01:01] <gnomefreak> havent tried that
[01:01] <mhb> I mean for Kubuntu at this time
[01:01] <Hobbsee> mhb: yes, that's what i thought :(
[01:02] <apokryphos> there isn't
[01:02] <apokryphos> and it's a shame since money and a lot of time was spent on adept
[01:02] <MidMark> adept isn't so bad, it only needs 5-6 important fixes before adding new features
[01:03] <apokryphos> I don't really like the design
[01:03] <gnomefreak> adept is far behind the times
[01:03] <gnomefreak> i dont like the 65 different adepts instead of rolling them all in one
[01:04] <MidMark> yes trye
[01:04] <gnomefreak> its really like 5-6 but you get the point
[01:04] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: if i could i would be first one to do it
[01:04] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:04] <Hobbsee> learn it :P
[01:04] <MidMark> Hobbsee: my 5-6 fixes are the 5-6 that needs console listed before....
[01:05] <Hobbsee> get writing :P
[01:05] <gnomefreak> but its also all upstream problems
[01:05] <MidMark> gnomefreak: oh yes all upstream, but this doesn't help
[01:05] <gnomefreak> i know
[01:06] <gnomefreak> but also upstream doesnt want to change it from what i hear
[01:06] <gnomefreak> last i heard they thinks its fine
[01:06] <MidMark> fine??
[01:06] <MidMark> it's 1000miles far than fine
[01:07] <gnomefreak> thats why i use smart/apt/or synaptic for all my package needs
[01:07] <MidMark> anyway gotta go, thanx for the nice discussion, have a good sunday to all
[01:07] <gnomefreak> you too MidMark
[01:07] <gnomefreak> he cant be only upstream person though
[01:08] <gnomefreak> im sure theres ~20
[01:08] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: he is
[01:09] <gnomefreak> he is only upstream?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> there might be one other that does things occasionally
[01:09] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:09] <gnomefreak> omfg
[01:09] <gnomefreak> no wonder
[01:09] <gnomefreak> that explains alot
[01:09] <Hobbsee> hence, adept sucks in some areas, but you cant blame the one, non-paid coder (non-paid to my knowledge)
[01:10] <gnomefreak> true non-paid isnt gonna put coding first in life
[01:10] <gnomefreak> brb smoke while email downloads
[01:10] <Hobbsee> that's also part of the reason why kubuntu lacks so much - one paid dev
[01:11] <Hobbsee> okay
[01:12] <mhb> who's a student?
[01:12] <mhb> oh, sorry :o)
[01:12] <mhb> forgot to scroll down
[01:16] <mhb> isn't mornfall working for Red Hat?
[01:17] <gnomefreak> not sure only talked to him once or twice
[01:20] <mhb> gnomefreak: as far as I know Jonathan is the only full time Kubuntu dev ... Kenneth gets paid (something) as well, but he makes the artwork
[01:21] <gnomefreak> mhb: i thought during that strike thing jonathan and maybe \sh (not sure on second person) were paid
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.20-2-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU<EMAIL_ADDRESS>at 800 MHz (3458 bogomips), , RAM: 439/1510MB, 135 proc's, 3.57min up
[01:21] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[01:22] <mhb> Hobbsee: nothing important, don't worry
[01:23] <Hobbsee> right
[01:23] <Hobbsee> hey toma
[01:23] <toma> hi Hobbsee
[01:23] <toma> and all!
[01:23] <mhb> good afternoon toma
[01:29] <toma> how is life in here?
[01:30] <mhb> good
[01:32] <toma> what is that?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> !info libmtp2 feisty
[01:32] <ubotu> libmtp2: Implementation of Microsoft's MTP. In component main, is optional. Version 0.0.18-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 48 kB, installed size 168 kB
[01:32] <Hobbsee> (for amarok)
[01:33] <toma> !info mtp
[01:33] <ubotu> Package mtp does not exist in any distro I know
[01:35] <mhb> adept-discussion: I guess the best solution would be to concentrate on the smart package manager for Kubuntu.
[01:36] <Hobbsee> mhb: depends if smart is introduced into ubuntu?
[01:37] <mhb> Hobbsee: I know there is a lot of issues
[01:40] <mhb> Hobbsee: but I guess smart will be introduced into ubuntu one day
[01:40] <Hobbsee> dunno
[01:40] <Hobbsee> there might be something better
[01:45] <apokryphos> I don't think it will for many years still
[01:45] <apokryphos> the biarch issues still have to be fixed in dpkg
[01:45] <apokryphos> and switching to smart would require an insane amount of manpower
[01:45] <apokryphos> all we really have about it is idealistic talks from sabdfl
[01:45] <mhb> well we should do something
[01:46] <mhb> even for me is the Adept UI confusing
[01:47] <mhb> is there a package manager for .debs written in pyqt?
[01:52] <mhb> I guess that means no :o)
[01:53] <fdoving> there is only kpackage and adept.. and kpkgmanager that i know of.
[01:53] <fdoving> adept is the best alternative as of now.
[01:53] <fdoving> kpkgmanager is not developed anymore.
[01:53] <mhb> all of them are C++?
[01:54] <fdoving> I think so.
[01:56] <mhb> a pyqt one would be useful.
[01:56] <apokryphos> they're all kde+qt, even
[01:58] <fdoving> kpackage can do much about the same as adept. it's not very good though. it handles sudo, it can manage repositories etc.
[01:58] <fdoving> not sure how it handles debconf stuff though.
[01:59] <fdoving> it does not look good.
[02:00] <mhb> is it possible to access the the konsole widget from pyqt now?
[02:02] <fdoving> don't know.
[02:02] <fdoving> ok.. kpackage is unusable.. broken in several areas.
[02:03] <apokryphos> kpackage is hardly an alternative, really
[03:31] <nano> I'm told that kubuntu is for beginners is that true?
[03:32] <mhb> nano: yes, but the -devel channel is definitely not for beginners ... more like for developers :o) try asking about Kubuntu in general on #kubuntu
[03:33] <nano> no, not in #kubuntu, last time I got a bad experience there
[03:33] <nano> my case is that I have a opensuse, and I want to try a new kde os
[03:34] <nano> some say kubuntu since its for beginners, other say try fedora
[03:35] <apokryphos> well join us in there now, and I promise to be friendly :_
[03:35] <apokryphos> nano: this channel is for developer-talk
[03:45] <nano> perhaps the developpers know why I have a black screen from the livecd ?
[03:51] <nano> hello? what should I do ?
[03:53] <nano> that's not for beginners
[03:54] <nano> why fedora fires in graphical screen without problem, but kubuntu livecd doesn't
[03:59] <nano> byebye kubuntu
[04:44] <oslo> nano> have u md5sum your iso before burning it ??
[04:44] <oslo> *do u have
[04:45] <oslo> [16:00]  <-- nano a quitt ce serveur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)"). oups
[04:46] <Lathiat> a    fwepoijfwoiejf
[04:46] <oslo> i don't manager to use properly xvidcap i think ---> http://dl-3.free.fr/52616e646f6d49561714192fc5d9fd51beb3a32aab4916a4f7ca740de73aab9c/25.mpeg
[04:47] <Lathiat> nevermind that ;)
[06:21] <nixternal> ryanakca: you still having issue with that qt4 build?
[06:39] <crimsun_> how was the #u-c bugsquashing?
[06:45] <ryanakca> nixternal: yeah
[06:45] <nixternal> crimsun_: actually not to shabby considering there were only a few of us...it gave the new guys on the team a chance to learn the bug triaging scene a little bit
[06:45] <ryanakca> [12:09]  <ryanakca> how do I fix this pbuilder + cdbs + qmake-qt4 error? http://dpaste.com/3844/
[06:45] <nixternal> ryanakca: i noticed the qmake needs to be ran with the -project or -makefile option...does that mean anything?
[06:46] <ryanakca> [12:11]  <ryanakca> I can pastebin the rules file and qmake-qt4.mk
[06:46] <ryanakca> probably... it's just passing the option to it
[06:46] <ryanakca> (how to pass it that is)
[06:47] <nixternal> i know that when i create a Qt4 project right, i run 'qmake-qt4 -project' in the directory, to create the .pro file, and then run the makefile way to get the .cpp and to get the Makefile
[06:47] <ryanakca> nixternal: http://dpaste.com/3860/
[06:48] <ryanakca> yeah
[06:48] <ryanakca> nixternal: sorry, bbl, lunch
[06:48] <nixternal> no problem
[07:17] <ryanakca> nixternal: back
[07:17] <ryanakca> any ideas?
[09:05] <manchicken> I need something to hack.
[09:05] <manchicken> Damnit.
[09:05] <manchicken> Gimme a fix!
[09:06] <manchicken> Anything else need changing in kde-systemsettings?
[09:06] <manchicken> Or anything else need hacking/
[09:07] <mhb> manchicken: fix adept :o)
[09:07] <manchicken> What needs fixing?
[09:07] <mhb> manchicken: adept loads locales badly, for instance
[09:07] <mhb> manchicken: I mean translations
[09:08] <mhb> manchicken: bug 47181
[09:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47181 in ept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47181
[09:09] <mhb> manchicken: or you can fix a ton more bugs listed on the bugs.kde.org page
[09:09] <manchicken> I've never done locale stuff... so I can try.
[09:09] <manchicken> Is there a lot of development being done on that right now?
[09:09] <mhb> manchicken: if "close to zero" is a lot then yes :o)
[09:10] <manchicken> heh
[09:10] <manchicken> I can use something to hack.
[09:21] <manchicken> How is it that I've never heard of launchpad before/
[09:33] <fdoving> it's not open source, nor free software.
[09:33] <fdoving> that's probably why.
[09:33] <fdoving> anyway.. tv. bbl.
[09:36] <mhb> fdoving: heh :o) google's neither
[09:40] <kdefreak> mhb: you good at packaging?
[09:41] <mhb> kdefreak: me? not at all
[09:42] <kdefreak> hm... drats
[09:42] <mhb> kdefreak: I know the basics, but I leave packaging to others
[09:42] <ryanakca> ah, kk
[09:57] <danimo> imbrandon: ping?
[10:29] <mhb> seele: ping
[10:41] <seele> mhb: pong
[10:41] <seele> i havnt had a chance to work on wireframes yet today, that is next on my list
[10:41] <mhb> seele: so you're not ready yet?
[10:41] <seele> nope, sorry
[10:42] <mhb> seele: how much time do you need?
[10:42] <seele> depends on how late you stay up tonight, but we can plan for tomorrow night? (afternoon for me)
[10:45] <mhb> seele: I can stay away for the next two hours (more if we start withing the next 2 hours)
[10:45] <mhb> seele: awake :o)
[10:46] <mhb> seele: but if you want to do this tomorrow, it's okay with me
[10:48] <seele> tomorrow is probably better :)
[10:49] <mhb> seele: okay then
[10:59] <Lure> seele: you wanted tabs in system settings? http://www.notsosoft.net/snapshots/snapshot3.png
[10:59] <Lure> seele: done my manchicken
[11:00] <seele> Lure: thats much better than the buttons. i still worry if tabs are the right affordance, but it is good for now
[11:00] <seele> thanks!
[11:01] <Lure> seele: thanks goes to manchicken who did it
[11:02] <seele> thankyou manchicken then :)
[11:36] <manchicken> np ^_^
[11:36] <manchicken> It was nice.
[11:36] <manchicken> I need to find something else that sounds good for hacking now.
[11:46] <mhb> manchicken: adept's too hard for ya? :o)
[11:46] <manchicken> not sure what to fix specifically.
[11:47] <manchicken> I'm not multi-lingual, and I've never done internationalization before.
[11:48] <manchicken> The bugs posted for kde-systemsettings actually seem more about the modules themselve.
[11:48] <mhb> manchicken: http://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=adept
[12:09] <manchicken> Maybe I'll see if I can make adept lock packages on versions.
[12:10] <Jucato> manchicken: you're working on Adept now, too? yay! :)
[12:12] <manchicken> I'm a hacker with too much free time and too little attention span.  Working on a distro is going to work out quite nicely.
[12:13] <Jucato> hehe :)


[00:38] <AlecTaylor> hi
[01:11] <marcoceppi> Hi AlecTaylor
[04:59] <AlecTaylor> hi
[05:01] <AlecTaylor> Each of the charm dependencies and juju in general, are they available as seperate packages? - E.g.: kubernetes, etcd, mesos
[09:07] <jamespage> gnuoy, I need a +1 on https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charm-helpers/systemd-support/+merge/281742 if you have time
[09:07] <gnuoy> looking
[09:07] <jamespage> that will unblock amulet tests on keystone glance and swift-*
[09:11] <jamespage> gnuoy, and then:
[09:11] <jamespage> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charm-helpers/haproxy-stats-1.6/+merge/281747
[09:12] <jamespage> that fixes mitaka/xenial and a long standing security concern from elmo
[09:12] <gnuoy> ack
[09:12] <jamespage> gnuoy, ta for the +1 on the first
[09:13] <gnuoy> jamespage, want me to land it or will you?
[09:13] <jamespage> gnuoy, I'll land them and then re-sync the failing branches
[09:13] <gnuoy> kk
[11:43] <jamespage> gnuoy, those last four blocking mps for resyncs now test ok so landing them
[11:44] <gnuoy> tip top
[13:37] <durschatz> Is there an issue with ppa:juju/stable?
[13:37] <durschatz> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:juju/stable
[13:37] <durschatz> Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:juju/stable'.
[13:37] <durschatz> Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[13:52] <durschatz> sorry the problem was my DNS config
[14:05] <jamespage> gnuoy, thedac: time for a review? - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/cinder/lp1521604/+merge/281799
[14:05] <gnuoy> jamespage, looking
[14:08] <gnuoy> jamespage, +1
[14:17] <jamespage> gnuoy, ta - I also have a cherry pick of the version detection fix to land into stable charms - just raising the MP's now
[15:34] <cmars> can layers include layers, or is layer.yaml only valid at the top level?
[15:36] <rick_h_> cory_fu_: ^ ?
[15:37] <marcoceppi> cmars: you acn include as many layers as you'd like
[15:38] <cmars> so let's say i have layers a, b, and c. b has a layer.yaml that includes a, c has a layer.yaml that includes b, result gets a+b+c?
[15:38] <marcoceppi> cmars: yes
[15:38] <cmars> awesomesauce
[15:38] <cmars> thanks
[15:59] <lazyPower> cmars: be careful about recursively linking charm layers - there are scenarios where the builder will get caught in an infinite loop
[16:00] <lazyPower> eg if layer a and c depend on b, but b includes a, you'll get caught in a never-ending loop of fetching those layers/wheels/etc.
[16:00] <cmars> lazyPower, thanks for the warning. no cycles in this graph :)
[19:00] <natefinch> urulama, rick_h_: not sure who to address this to but... is it me, or is the charm search kinda... wacky?
[19:08] <urulama> natefinch: oh?
[19:08] <urulama> natefinch: what seems to be wrong?
[19:16] <natefinch> urulama: well, searches seem to return a bunch of random charms that have nothing to do with the search term
[19:17] <natefinch> urulama: like, I can search for "natefinch" and it returns 100 charms, only 3 of which actually seem to reference my username anywhere
[19:19] <urulama> natefinch: if nothing relevant is found, search term is broken to n-grams of different sizes
[19:19] <urulama> natefinch: so, nch is 3-gram for vbench ... not good, but if nothing relevant if found, all is equally bad :)
[19:20] <rick_h_> natefinch: it's the whole "promulgated shows up first" problem
[19:20] <rick_h_> natefinch: agreed jujucharms.com needs to move past that as we get giong
[19:20] <rick_h_> natefinch: e.g. not showing all user's charms but showing users might work out.
[19:20] <natefinch> urulama: I'd rather see no hits than things that are very very very unlikely to be what I'm looking for.  Or at least say "limited results, here are some potential other charms that matches searches like yours"
[19:20] <rick_h_> natefinch: and ratcheting up the scoring for matches so that fewer promulgated 'potential matches' are displayed in these bad cases
[19:21] <rick_h_> natefinch: the first ones in the "Recommended" section are the real best matches
[19:21] <rick_h_> natefinch: but we never show user material above promulgated
[19:21] <rick_h_> urulama: weren't those going to get renamed?
[19:21] <urulama> natefinch: yeah, agree, and search is being redefined
[19:21] <rick_h_> urulama: did that deploy not get out yet?
[19:21] <jrwren> a stemming search instead of ngram?
[19:21] <urulama> rick_h_: with new deploy, yes
[19:21] <rick_h_> urulama: ok, I wasn't sure when the deploy timeline was
[19:22] <urulama> rick_h_: it goes on staging next week and then production
[19:22] <rick_h_> natefinch: but in answer to your question, a bug filed with replication results and expected behavior is the 'who to adress this'
[19:22] <rick_h_> urulama: gotcha cool
[19:22] <natefinch> rick_h_: cool, will do
[19:23] <rick_h_> natefinch: but yes, it's a known shortcoming of search and something that'll be tweaked as the store moves forward and expands
[19:23] <natefinch> rick_h_: ok, good to hear.  'cause right now, the impression is "search is (almost) completely broken"
[19:24] <natefinch> (at least if you're searching for a non-promulgated charm and/or your search methodology is poor :)
[19:24] <rick_h_> natefinch: it all depends on what you look for
[19:24] <rick_h_> search for 'open' and you get a ton of openstack as you should
[19:24] <rick_h_> natefinch: but usernames, not general great but that'll get better with new publish and users 'owning' their promuglated stuff
[19:25] <natefinch> rick_h_: the first thing I searched for was a charm name that I wanted to know if it had been picked up yet or not... I expected either 0 or 1 result. I got 100
[19:26] <rick_h_> natefinch: right, and we want to be amazingly helpful and see if you typod, or if you meant something else, or ...
[19:27] <natefinch> rick_h_: all it takes is a "no exact matches found, here's some others..." I think.  BUt I'll file a bug.
[19:28] <bdx> thedac: sup
[19:28] <thedac> hey bdx how's it going?
[19:29] <bdx> hey whats up man? going well....I was wondering if I can get your take on an issue I'm having
[19:29] <thedac> bdx: I'll try I am currently juggling a few issues.
[19:29] <natefinch> rick_h_: uh... dumb question.  where do I file the bug?
[19:30] <bdx> thedac: its cool man...no worries...
[19:30] <rick_h_> natefinch: footer, "Report a bug on this site"
[19:30] <natefinch> rick_h_: oh man.  It's snuck in with the copyright.  Never would have found that.
[19:30] <bdx> I guess I could just let er' rip
[19:31] <natefinch> rick_h_: (I even looked in the footer)
[19:31] <rick_h_> natefinch: good, most folks will not report bugs then bwuhahaha!
[19:32] <bdx> openstack-charmers: I'm experiencing an issue where, when I try to attach > 1 networks to a neutron router....everything breaks
[19:33] <bdx> openstack-charmers: I've vlan tenant networks configured, and flat external
[19:33] <bdx> using dvr
[19:34]  * natefinch reports a bug about how hard it is to find the report a bug link.
[19:35] <bdx> openstack-charmers: I have had success connecting multiple vlan networks to the same router before in kilo, just not with openstack deployed by juju
[19:36] <bdx> I'm hesitent to say, but I think there is a misconfiguration somewhere within the neutron config
[19:37] <thedac> bdx: best bet is to file a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+filebug with as much detail on how to recreate the failure as possibe. (proably against neutron-api)
[19:37] <bdx> openstack-charmers: I'm currently in the process of writing up a bug for this, but I was hoping to get some insight from someone asap
[19:39] <bdx> I'm super bummed, because I only created a /24 network, and now need to expand ip space
[19:39] <thedac> bdx: sorry, I have not run into this. so no off the cuff ideas
[19:41] <bdx> openstack-charmers: I can create other netron routers, and add networks to them, and then create routes to eachother through the use of another router, static routes on each network and static ports
[19:41] <bdx> but it hacky
[19:41] <bdx> neutron*
[19:42] <bdx> thedac: its cool man....I just am at a point where I can't be taking down the stack, neutron, or network anymore, so dealing with this is slightly more touchy
[19:43] <bdx> and nerve wrecking
[19:44] <lazyPower> bdx: understandable
[19:45] <bdx> thedac: I was hoping you might help put some heat on this as you have with in the past, but if you are busy, no worries
[19:45] <bdx> lazyPower: you trying to get some of this?
[19:46] <lazyPower> no but i follow wha tyou're asking
[19:46] <thedac> bdx: yeah, we have a number of priorities at the moment. So the bug report with logs is the best way to get a response
[19:46] <lazyPower> and i dont have any off the cuff ideas either.
[19:48] <bdx> lazyPower, thedac: my approach to this is to replicate the issue on a test stack, and test/apply fixes there
[19:50] <lazyPower> bdx: sounds reasonable
[19:50]  * bdx is sad
[19:51]  * bdx is easily enabled to build new test stack and replicate issue w/o wasting time or effort
[19:52]  * bdx is thankfull for juju
[19:52] <bdx> *thankful
[19:53] <bdx> openstack-charmers: ok bug time, look out
[20:06] <natefinch> urulama: is the charm store ingesting stuff from launchpad still?  I pushed a charm to my local namespace 8 hours ago and it's still not showing up.
[20:13] <lazyPower> natefinch: any proof errors when you run `charm proof`?
[20:13] <lazyPower> natefinch: and the store is still ingesting from launchpad unless that changed today
[20:15] <natefinch> lazyPower: does my charm have to pass charm proof for it to get published to my personal namespace?
[20:16] <lazyPower> i feel like that was myth=busted in the past, but it doesn't hurt to give it a go
[20:18] <rick_h_> natefinch: use charm2 and no
[20:18] <rick_h_> natefinch: highly suggest trying the charm2 publish work vs ingestion and it'd be great to expand the folks dog fooding internally
[20:19] <rick_h_> natefinch: yes, the old ingestion will skip things that have an E in charm proof
[20:19] <natefinch> ah that may well be it
[20:19] <natefinch> I'll try charm2, though. Certainly better than push and wait with no feedback :)
[20:19] <rick_h_> natefinch: that's the plan :)
[20:20] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: if you use charm2 publish, deployer won't work
[20:20] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: oh? do we know why?
[20:20] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: it's not in the v3 api
[20:21] <marcoceppi> we didn't roll forward because we were expecting juju deploy in 1.26
[20:21] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: huh? why does deployer look at v3 api for a deploy to work with a cs url?
[20:21] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: /me shrugs
[20:21] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: I thought that was the reason
[20:22] <marcoceppi> it might not be
[20:22] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: I'd hope not. I wasn't aware of it sorry.
[20:22] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: a charmstore charm uploaded, published, and public ACLs I'd expect juju to deploy with deployer just fine
[20:23] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: it doesn't atm, otp but I'll get some debug info
[20:23] <marcoceppi> kwmonroe: ^^
[20:23]  * natefinch has never in his life used deployer, so no problem there
[20:23] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: k, getting bac to join so we can look into it
[20:24] <bac> hi rick_h_
[20:24] <rick_h_> bac: marcoceppi was telling me of an issue with charm2 and deployer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14432496/
[20:25] <rick_h_> bac: can you work with uros to schedule investigating this please?
[20:25] <rick_h_> bac: I'd expect it to work fine, but must be missing something
[20:25] <bac> rick_h_: sure
[20:25] <rick_h_> bac: marcoceppi will get some more debug info on specific charm/bundle file used, etc
[20:26] <rick_h_> bac: ty!
[20:26] <urulama> marcoceppi: which charm is that? also, is it multiseries charm? if it is, not sure juju handles that already
[20:27] <rick_h_> urulama: go EOD :P
[20:27] <urulama> rick_h_: waiting for my summer clothes to get out of the washer :)
[20:27] <urulama> not much use for them lately :)
[20:27] <rick_h_> urulama: heh same here
[20:27] <rick_h_> last load in the dryer!
[20:28] <marcoceppi> urulama rick_h_ benchmark-gui
[20:28] <marcoceppi> not multi-series
[20:31] <urulama> marcoceppi: https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/benchmark-gui/meta/extra-info
[20:31] <urulama> marcoceppi: is this latest?
[20:32] <marcoceppi> urulama: yup
[20:36] <urulama> marcoceppi: hm, have just deployed that charm
[20:36] <urulama> using 1.25 that is
[20:37] <natefinch> so... how do I get charm2?
[20:37] <marcoceppi> urulama: put it in a bundle and use deployer
[20:37] <urulama> marcoceppi: ha, i think i know what it might be ... do "rm ~/.go-cookies" please
[20:38] <urulama> natefinch: it's under PPA in yellow. if you want to be tester, we can add you
[20:39] <natefinch> urulama: would love to help test.  No idea what yellow is, though :)
[20:39] <rick_h_> natefinch: think LP teams
[20:40] <rick_h_> natefinch: that have never been renamed over the years because that's work
[20:40] <natefinch> lol
[20:40] <rick_h_> now you know what yellow is :)
[20:40] <natefinch> I think I joined just as the color teams were being phased out.
[20:40] <rick_h_> natefinch: ah ok
[20:44] <urulama> marcoceppi: did that help?
[20:44] <marcoceppi> urulama: in a meeting, will have to try later
[20:45] <urulama> kk
[20:53] <kwmonroe> urulama: marcoceppi:  quick test.yaml with benchmark-gui fails with deployer giving a 404: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14432687/
[20:55] <kwmonroe> bac: fyi  ^^ in case you're looking at deployer failing with charm2 publish
[20:59] <bac> thanks kwmonroe
[21:00] <kwmonroe> np bac, fwiw, the store_url it's hitting is https://store.juju.ubuntu.com/charm/trusty/benchmark-gui-0
[21:00] <urulama> hm
[21:04] <urulama> kwmonroe: deployer uses legacy charm store
[21:04] <urulama> PING store.juju.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[21:04] <urulama> 64 bytes from pupunha.canonical.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=35.4 ms
[21:05] <kwmonroe> also fwiw, "juju quickstart test.yaml" deploys the gui and then doesn't seem to do anything.  notification area in the gui says "deployment in progress", but the benchmark-gui charm is never deployed.
[21:05] <urulama> jujucharms is on <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:05] <urulama> so, no wonder it doesn't exist, you're not using the charmstore to which it was uploaded
[21:05] <kwmonroe> that's with juju-quickstart-2.2.4+bzr147+ppa42~ubuntu15.04.1
[21:07] <d4rks1d3> Hi
[21:08] <d4rks1d3> Anyone know if it is possible to have different settings for units
[21:09] <urulama> kwmonroe: ok, we'll look into it
[21:10] <kwmonroe> thanks urulama - do you want me to try a different store url in deployer?
[21:10] <urulama> kwmonroe: try with https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore
[21:13] <kwmonroe> yup urulama, that works when deployer grabs https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/charm/trusty/benchmark-gui-0
[21:13] <kwmonroe> would something simliar be causing the apparently stalled deployment with quickstart?
[21:14] <urulama> quickstart should be using the new store already
[21:16] <kwmonroe> hm, ok.  i'll open a bug with the potential fix for deployer and repro steps for quickstart
[21:37] <d4rks1d3> Does anyone know whether or not is possible to have different config settings for 2 instances/units of the same service? thanks in advance for your support
[21:38] <blahdeblah> d4rks1d3: configs apply to all units of a service; to have different ones you need to create a new service with the same charm and set the config differently for that service
[21:40] <d4rks1d3> Thanks blahdeblah you mean to copy the whole charms and mofidy the "name:" field in metadata.yaml?
[21:41] <blahdeblah> d4rks1d3: No, there's no need to copy the charm; you just deploy it using a different service name
[21:41]  * blahdeblah digs for exact syntax
[21:41] <d4rks1d3> Thanks a lot blahdeblah
[21:43] <blahdeblah> d4rks1d3: Looks like you just add the service name on the end of the deploy command.  By default it matches the charm name, but you can specify something different.  juju deploy --help should show you all you need to know.
[21:44] <d4rks1d3> Thanks a lot blahdeblah
[21:49] <blahdeblah> d4rks1d3: You're welcome! :-)
[21:53] <kwmonroe> bac: urulama: marcoceppi, bugs for deployment failure with charm2 charms for quickstart (https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-quickstart/+bug/1532005) and deployer (https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-deployer/+bug/1531999)
[21:53] <mup> Bug #1532005: deployment failure when bundle includes charm2 published charm <juju-quickstart:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1532005>
[21:53] <mup> Bug #1531999: deployer 404s on new published charms <juju-deployer:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1531999>
[21:55] <frankban> kwmonroe: the quickstart bug does not really seem a bug, did the deployment fail?
[21:56] <kwmonroe> frankban: it didn't deploy any charm from the bundle.. it just stops after juju-gui.
[21:56] <frankban> kwmonroe: oh I think it will fail because it still uses the deployer under the hood
[21:58] <kwmonroe> ah, gotcha frankban.. so a deployer fix would fix quickstart too.. i'll note that in the quickstart bug.
[21:58] <frankban> kwmonroe: I am updating quickstart bug
[21:58] <kwmonroe> ack - thanks frankban!
[22:00] <frankban> kwmonroe: done, ty
[22:58] <lazyPower> blahdeblah nice pickup. :+1:
[23:15] <blahdeblah> lazyPower: why thank ya! :-)
[23:33] <blahdeblah> lazyPower: BTW, still trying to get my head around your DNS-Charm; still keen for a hangout or something to pick your brain on it sometime.
[23:33] <lazyPower> sure
[23:33] <lazyPower> I'd really like to re-write it using layers
[23:34] <lazyPower> as implementing new providers as layers would be much easier than the python module rig-a-maroo i have in there now
[23:34] <lazyPower> but thats an exercise in time management i cant afford this cycle
[23:35] <blahdeblah> Yeah - layers makes a huge amount of sense for that