[00:14] <daker> whoever posted the link on @ubuntu account, the link is 404
[06:58] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: hey, what's happening with ubuntu on air? are we making it?
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <dholbach> daker, t'as vu les tweets #muslimrage? http://gawker.com/5943828 est très drôle :)
[07:09] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: hey, I'm setting the channel in ubuntuonair.com to #ubuntu-on-air, which is logged
[07:09] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, ok
[07:09] <dholbach> I'll change it on the ubuntuonair.com page as well
[07:10] <JoseeAntonioR> that's what I'm doing :P
[07:10] <JoseeAntonioR> we should set a redirect
[07:11] <dholbach> ok, fixed it on the page
[07:11] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: could you please set mode +if #ubuntu-on-air to #ubuntuonair? the first one is logged
[07:11] <JoseeAntonioR> great, then
[07:11] <JoseeAntonioR> how've you been, btw?
[07:13] <dholbach> good good - how about you?
[07:14] <JoseeAntonioR> great, trying to get along with school
[07:14] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, I'm not sure I have the privileges to do that in the channel
[07:14] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, that's why I asked bkerensa
[07:15] <dholbach> ah sorry
[07:15] <JoseeAntonioR> np
[07:15] <JoseeAntonioR> anyways, it's done now
[07:18] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[07:19] <JoseeAntonioR> no prob
[07:19] <JoseeAntonioR> one last thing, I would like having someone from the dev team on the openweek, who can explain a bit how the dev teams work, who do you think it can be?
[07:22] <dholbach> I'm happy to do an introduction to Ubuntu development
[07:22] <dholbach> maybe even 2h
[07:22] <dholbach> and I'll try to find a co-host to make it a bit more fun
[07:22] <dholbach> an earlier session would be great
[07:23] <JoseeAntonioR> great, but make sure it doesn't crash with your schedule
[07:23] <JoseeAntonioR> what do you mean?
[07:23] <dholbach> the schedule on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek looks a bit broken
[07:23] <dholbach> 10 UTC
[07:23] <dholbach> next one: 13 UTC
[07:23] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, yep
[07:23] <JoseeAntonioR> because Mark's giving one at 10
[07:23] <JoseeAntonioR> sessions normally start at 13
[07:25] <dholbach> aha
[07:26] <JoseeAntonioR> so, you would prefer a session which starts earlier than 13?
[07:26] <dholbach> no, 13 is just fine
[07:27] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, on or off air?
[07:29] <dholbach> I don't know yet
[07:29] <dholbach> but I'll let you know
[07:30] <JoseeAntonioR> ok then, thanks! :)
[07:32]  * dholbach hugs JoseeAntonioR
[07:33]  * JoseeAntonioR hugs dholbach back
[07:37] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, I'm out, school awaits for me!
[07:41] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, see you! :)
[08:12] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:19] <philballew> Hello everybody!
[08:19] <czajkowski> philballew: howdy doody
[08:19] <czajkowski> you're up late
[08:20] <philballew> czajkowski, yeah, studying for a Spanish test tomorrow. I dont sleep well anyway.
[08:20] <philballew> Work going well this morning for you?
[08:21] <czajkowski> so far
[08:21] <czajkowski> I've seen some of the RTs in so I'm going to be busy
[08:21] <czajkowski> but I like to be busy so it's al good
[08:21] <philballew> I find at my job when theres nothing to do, thats when it feels like im working more then normal.
[08:23] <philballew> Some weird perception of time thing.
[08:23] <czajkowski> heh
[08:36] <dholbach> hey jono
[08:36] <jono> hey dholbach
[08:36] <dholbach> jono, dpm just texted me and said they have a power outage
[08:36] <jono> thanks for letting me know
[08:36] <jono> dholbach, want to hop on a call?
[08:36] <dholbach> so he'll wait a bit to see if it comes back and then find a place to work from if it doesn't
[08:36] <dholbach> sure
[08:36] <jono> dholbach, a likely story
[08:37] <jono> dpm is next a to a pool with a margherita
[08:37] <dholbach> yeah, or on a Spanish strike day - must be that time of the month again
[08:37] <jono> hah
[08:39] <jono> dholbach, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d067025c45ada5a8ad072571842af9c025f1b3f8?ssc=eyJCIjpbbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsW11dLCJPIjpbbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLFtdLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLFtdLG51bGxdfQ%3D%3D&authuser=0&hl=en-US
[09:24] <dholbach> dpm, Alter
[09:24] <dholbach> dpm, wieder da?
[09:26] <dholbach> dpm_, power outage fixed or did you have to go somewhere else to work?
[09:28] <dpm> dholbach, I'm back home. I figured out it'd take me less time to wait than to drive to the city to find an internet cafe
[09:28] <dpm> it seems power is still a bit flaky
[09:28] <dpm> disconnecting every now and then
[09:45] <dholbach> jono, dpm just helped fix the packaging guide
[09:55] <jono> dholbach, cool!
[09:55] <jono> dholbach, looks great :-)
[10:19] <daker> dholbach: nice :D
[10:21] <dholbach> daker, it's hard to pick a favourite :)
[10:52] <czajkowski> daker: any idea why the thai loco are appearing twice on the LTP with 2 different re approval dates
[10:52] <daker> czajkowski: where ?
[10:53] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[10:53] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-th
[10:53] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/thai-locoteam
[10:55] <daker> czajkowski: i think this one "thai-locoteam" is old
[10:56] <czajkowski> ahh any idea how yo worked that out ?
[10:56] <czajkowski> just a bit confued
[10:56] <czajkowski> *confused
[10:56] <daker> give me sometimes so i can look at the code
[11:00] <czajkowski> ok thanks
[11:02] <daker> if i am not wrong there is a merge functionality in LTP, so they can merge the old team with the new one, right mhall119 cjohnston ?
[11:47] <cjohnston> are both members of locoteams
[13:15] <mhall119> daker: the funtionality is there, yes
[13:15] <mhall119> IIRC, they have to be members of, or admins of, both teams
[14:10] <daker> nigelb: http://xkcd-map.rent-a-geek.de/
[14:10] <nigelb> daker: already saw that large map :)
[14:10] <daker> :)
[14:18]  * czajkowski is looking forward to meeting randall in 2 weeks time
[14:18] <czajkowski> He's coming to Ireland :D
[15:50] <popey> jcastro, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12248111#post12248111
[15:50] <popey> Dan Gilmore asking for help
[16:19] <jono> dpm, hey
[16:19] <dpm> jono, hey. Can we jump on the phone?
[16:19] <jono> dpm, sure
[16:20] <dpm> just a sec, I'll set up the hangout
[16:20] <jono> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/baf7c0fe5b899d410de8f1bd07f8e9993551eb93?ssc=eyJCIjpbbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsW11dLCJPIjpbbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLFtdLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLFtdLG51bGxdfQ%3D%3D&authuser=0&hl=en-US
[16:22] <jono> dpm, ^
[16:24] <dholbach> alright, I'll call it a day - see you tomorrow
[16:25] <czajkowski> dholbach: toodles
[16:25] <jono> dpm, I am calling
[16:25] <dholbach> bye
[16:25] <jono> no answer
[16:25] <dpm> jono, weird, I cannot see anyone calling. Let me restart skype
[16:25] <jono> dpm, you call me
[16:26] <dpm> jono, ok, calling
[16:26] <jono> cool
[16:26] <jono> I don't see anything
[17:15] <daker> me
[17:15] <daker> me too mhall119
[17:16] <daker> it works now
[18:49] <bkerensa> jono: is it possible to get a name or e-mail of someone working on Ubuntu for Android?
[18:49] <bkerensa> I have someone from Mozilla OS team who would love to chat with them
[19:22] <mhall119> bkerensa: Ubuntu for Mozilla OS?
[19:22] <marcoceppi> Mozilla OS for Ubuntu for Android?
[19:23] <bkerensa> mhall119: no... Someone from the Mozilla OS Team wants to chat with the Ubuntu on Android team
[19:26] <mhall119> I was asking if that's what they wanted to chat about
[19:28] <AlanBell> is mozilla OS different to Firefox OS (boot to gecko)
[19:29] <mhall119> popey: can you help bkerensa?
[19:30] <bkerensa> AlanBell: No same thing... Mozilla OS/B2G/Firefox OS all code names :)
[19:30] <bkerensa> we dont have a official name yet I dont think
[19:32] <AlanBell> ok, are you running it yet?
[19:53] <bkerensa> AlanBell: me? No I am getting a Mozilla Phone though and have played with it
[19:53] <bkerensa> its very nice
[19:55] <AlanBell> I had a really quick play with an early version at the mozspace in London
[19:55] <AlanBell> quite tempted to put it on my phone
[19:56] <bkerensa> ahh :)
[19:56] <bkerensa> so we had 7 different devices at the Music Hack Day in Portland here a few weeks back
[19:56] <bkerensa> and its way faster than any oem install of android I have seen
[19:57] <AlanBell> yeah, it did seem quick
[19:57] <bkerensa> I have a brand new Samsung Galaxy Verb and its slower that a Moz Phone
[19:57] <mhall119> bkerensa: what is it under the hood?
[19:57] <bkerensa> Its Android
[19:57] <bkerensa> but stripped down
[19:57] <bkerensa> with html5 apps
[19:57] <AlanBell> it is an android kernel and a web server
[19:57] <bkerensa> yes
[19:57] <bkerensa> :D
[19:57] <bkerensa> serving html5
[19:57] <bkerensa> :D
[19:57] <AlanBell> and gecko looking at the local webserver
[19:57] <bkerensa> Yep
[19:57] <bkerensa> :D
[19:57] <mhall119> webserver?
[19:58] <bkerensa> unsure let me check
[19:59] <AlanBell> actually offline HTML5 applications kind of blur the lines between what is and is not a server
[20:00] <bkerensa> mhall119: busybox's
[20:00] <bkerensa> so busybox httpd
[20:01] <bkerensa> mhall119: So if I am at UDS next cycle I will bring down a Mozilla phone
[20:01] <bkerensa> :)
[20:01] <mhall119> bkerensa: cool, I'd like to see it
[20:01] <popey> mhall119, bkerensa yo!
[20:01] <bkerensa> popey: yo
[20:03] <popey> mozilla want to talk to us?
[20:03] <popey> my irony meter exploded
[20:03] <czajkowski> *grin*
[20:03] <czajkowski> popey: I think your sarcasim meter may have moved also!:)
[20:03] <bkerensa> popey: a Mozilla employee yep he is also a Ubuntu User :)
[20:04] <popey> can you get me his details and what specifically he's interested in talking about and I'll find the right person
[20:04] <bkerensa> kk
[20:05] <popey> awesome
[20:05]  * AlanBell wonders if Firefox will get unity webapps in 12.10
[20:06] <mhall119> AlanBell: it already does
[20:06] <mhall119> I thought
[20:06] <bkerensa> popey: Benjamin Kero<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:06] <mhall119> another Ben K. huh?
[20:06] <AlanBell> orly?
[20:06] <bkerensa> ;0 be lucky he doesn't idle here... his nick is bkero
[20:06] <bkerensa> ;p
[20:07]  * AlanBell is fairly sure firefox does not have the webapps api right now, just chromium
[20:09] <bkerensa> so sad considering chromium is not actively maintained in Ubuntu
[20:09] <bkerensa> =/
[20:11] <mhall119> AlanBell: well it used to...
[20:11] <AlanBell> I am not sure why it isn't there in 12.10, however I suspect the reason may relate to popey's irony meter
[20:13] <bkerensa> Does anyone know how and where Online Accounts credentials are stored?
[20:13] <bkerensa> popey: anytime you need someone in Mozilla let me know I can grab you the right person from phonebook
[20:14] <popey> it does AlanBell
[20:15] <popey> the work was done on ff a while back
[20:18] <AlanBell> must be getting a bit tight to wriggle it in for 12.10 now
[20:18] <AlanBell> but bigger things have been sabdlf'd in during the last week before :)
[20:24] <daker> what shoud l call myself Ubuntu Community Member? Ubuntu Member ? or just Ubuntu Contributor ?
[20:24] <daker> should call*
[20:26] <czajkowski> daker: in what manner
[20:26] <czajkowski> on emails
[20:26] <czajkowski> or on applications
[20:26] <daker> presentation(slides)
[20:26] <czajkowski> *loaths* evangelist
[20:26] <czajkowski> daker: well you contrbite, you're an ubuntu member
[20:26] <czajkowski> so why not both :)
[20:27] <daker> ok
[20:27] <czajkowski> daker: I often find maybe bullet points to decribe yourself and talk around them what they mean for you
[20:27] <czajkowski> as you develper contribute to Ubuntu where as someoe else may not dev but does contribute in other ways
[20:28] <cjohnston> Ubuntu Community Contributor?
[20:28] <czajkowski> also sometimes people dont fully understand what an Ubuntu member is and the process
[20:28] <czajkowski> cjohnston: advocate...
[20:28] <bkerensa> or just a name?
[20:28] <bkerensa> :D
[20:33] <popey> name and email / twitter / irc handle is all I do
[20:33] <popey> maybe "Elvis Impersonator"
[20:34] <bkerensa> name / url / ubuntu quote for @ubuntu.com
[20:34] <pleia2> I was at a job interview and one of the guys interviewing goes "I knew your name was familiar, I'm on some Ubuntu mailing list and I see your name in "From:" all the time!"
[20:34] <pleia2> so now I just go by "awesome"
[20:35] <bkerensa> pleia2: LOL
[20:35] <pleia2> :)
[20:35] <pleia2> it was a good interview
[20:45] <mhall119> pleia2: did you get that job/
[20:45] <mhall119> ?
[20:45] <pleia2> mhall119: waiting on an offer :)
[20:45] <mhall119> they're probably thinking "Oh no, she'll take over *everything*"
[20:45] <pleia2> "perfect!"
[20:46] <mhall119> if that's their reaction, then it's a place worth working at :)
[20:46] <pleia2> hehe
[20:46] <czajkowski> :-)
[20:47] <daker> sometimes people thinks that Ubuntu member means Ubuntu Dev/MOTU and they tells me if i have upload access to the archive :D
[20:53] <bkerensa> lol
[20:53] <bkerensa> I think many people think they are automatically Ubuntu Members by being involved in the community
[20:53] <bkerensa> 90% of people requesting to join the official member linked in are not Ubuntu Members or are Canonical employees who also are not members
[21:13] <czajkowski> have folks seen http://blog.launchpad.net/general/privacy-for-blueprints-enabled-for-beta-testers
[21:43] <daker> does anyone have stats about ubuntu ?
[21:45] <bkerensa> daker: sabdfl seems to :)
[21:45] <bkerensa> http://www.datamation.com/open-source/desktop-linux-has-ubuntus-unity-surpassed-the-mac-1.html
[21:46] <popey> daker, what kind of stats?
[21:47] <daker> anything, users on the forum, how many developers working on it, how many packages do we have in the archive ?
[21:50] <daker> popey: ^
[21:50] <pleia2> ubuntuforums.org has stats on the bottom of the front page: Threads: 1,876,553, Beans: 11,612,613, Members: 1,732,566, Active Members: 31,021
[21:51] <pleia2> and you can look at the launchpad teams to find membership numbers of various teams
[21:51] <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/~motu and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev are good places to look
[21:52] <daker> oh yeah thanks pleia2 :)
[21:53] <pleia2> trying to figure out the best place to grab number of packages, hm
[21:54] <pleia2> http://askubuntu.com/questions/120630/how-many-packages-are-in-the-main-repository has a good answer
[21:56] <daker> pleia2: http://i.imgur.com/vvxyo.png ? at the bottom of USC
[21:57] <pleia2> daker: yeah, it's somewhere around 40k if you count all the shipped repos so that seems accurate
[21:57] <IdleOne> muon package manager shows 40788 packages
[21:58] <pleia2> (that number will include PPAs and other repos you enabled)
[21:58] <AlanBell> yeah, but most are not what people would call apps
[21:58] <daker> yeah i have ppas
[21:58] <IdleOne> no ppa's here
[21:58] <daker> thanks IdleOne
[21:58] <pleia2> yeah, that's just "packages" - not apps (so includes libraries, docs, translations and all kinds of things)
[21:59] <IdleOne> also includes virtual packages, metapackages.
[22:27] <popey> daker, ~592 canonical employees
[22:28] <popey> daker, also note that pay-for games are in PPAs (private ones)
[22:28] <popey> so might not be obvious how many there are
[22:38] <cjohnston> balloons: nice post today
[22:38] <daker> popey: thank you :)
[22:39] <cjohnston> sounds like, as always, hggdh doin a great job too :-)
[22:39] <pleia2> cjohnston: classbot has been gone for a couple weeks, can you PM me the address again?
[22:39]  * hggdh blushes
[22:42] <cjohnston> I know.. lol :-P
[22:42] <cjohnston> gotta tell you good job every once in a while.. hehe
[22:43] <hggdh> :-)
[22:49] <balloons> cjohnston, thanks :-)
[22:49] <balloons> and yes... hggdh is an allstar
[22:56] <cjohnston> thankfully I have a few days before my next call with him, maybe his head will be back to a normal size by then after that comment
[23:01] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, has anyone recieved the Official Ubuntu Book from Pearson (via UPS) over here?
[23:02] <pleia2> I got one, but I don't remember what carrier sent it
[23:03] <JoseeAntonioR> UPS is trying to charge me an amount of around 35 dollars, seems weird
[23:03] <JoseeAntonioR> just for recieving it
[23:03] <pleia2> :\
[23:04] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll just send an email and see what I can do


[00:21] <knome> people around?
[00:24] <knome> cprofitt, ping :)
[00:30] <dsmythies> I'm here.
[00:30] <knome> that works ;)
[00:30] <knome> no empty wall to talk to
[00:31] <knome> so i'd like to get the teams feedback on a particular thing:
[00:31] <knome> (this will take some time, wait patiently...)
[00:32] <knome> some days ago, i made an edit to the PAE page on the community wiki to make the landing page for that clearer
[00:32] <knome> the page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
[00:32] <knome> after the changed i made: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE?action=recall&rev=43
[00:32] <knome> the page got reverted soon back to what it was (see ~the current format) shortly after
[00:32] <dsmythies> looking at first link now.
[00:33] <knome> i've been in touch with the person who apparently created and worked on that page for the longest time
[00:33] <knome> but we haven't reached any kind of agreement and i haven't got many arguments why we should keep the "original" formatting
[00:34] <knome> note: in my version, the instructions itself would be under PentiumM, which i also slightly edited (that's partly different from my edit now as wel)
[00:35] <knome> since the documentation team oversees the community wiki, what do people think about the two different approaches?
[00:35] <knome> i guess i'd especially would like feedback from the wiki admins (other than me)
[00:35] <knome> but any feedback would be appreciated
[00:36] <knome> i'm feel like i'm kind of disqualified to drop any final decision on the issue as a participant in the argument...
[00:36] <dsmythies> I need some time (and am not a wiki admin). You might also want to ask on the e-mail list.
[00:37] <knome> for completeness, the PentiumM page as it would appear on "my revision": https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE/PentiumM?action=recall&rev=10
[00:37] <knome> dsmythies, ack, i know you aren't, that's why i pinged those admins:)
[00:38] <knome> and fwiw, i'm not in a hurry by any means, take your time
[00:38] <knome> i'm an irc person (and not subbed to the list right now...), so i thought i'd check this one first
[00:39] <knome> to see what the general opinion was and if there was any kind of consensus
[00:42] <dsmythies> knome: I didn't know you are not subbed to the list. In general I'm not an IRC person, I just didn't get off yet after the meeting earlier. I actually don't understand why IRC is so popluar, but accpet that it is.
[00:43] <knome> heh, different people prefer different kind of communication methods :)
[00:44] <knome> tbf, email is ok is the signal to noise ratio is good. on the docs list, it wasn't considering all the other noise i also have incoming :)
[00:45] <knome> and i'm not exaggerating when i say that connecting on IRC was one of my first actions ever when we got our first broadband
[00:45] <knome> after that, it's always just felt the natural choice for me
[01:01] <dsmythies> knome: I'm finding this a little difficult, as I observe good stuff in both approaches. I'm going to ponder, while I do something else that is pressing, then read them again. (I should'a kept quite earlier (just joking))
[01:01] <knome> heh.
[01:01] <knome> probably.
[01:01] <knome> i'm open to suggestions in merging those two as well
[01:02] <knome> i mean... doing some kind of compromise.
[01:08] <knome> the feedback and thought is very appreciated btw, it's too easy to get biased... i should've asked this earlier.
[06:42] <dsmythies> knome: Are you aware of the dicussion thread over on Ubuntu forums? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2263647
[13:22] <knome> dsmythies, nope.
[21:04] <dsmythies> imnichol: I haven't forgotten about your issue, but have run into a bit of time crunch. What you want to do is trivial with GIT. I defer to what pmatulis said for BZR.
[21:08] <imnichol> dsmythies, appreciated!


[02:15] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, anyone from the IRCC over here? need +f on jamesjedimaster in #ubuntu-mx
[03:10] <JoseeAntonioR> nvm, issue solved
[15:04] <namoamitabuddha> How to introduce ubottu into domestic communities, for example, #ubuntu-tw?
[15:07] <m4v> what
[15:08] <k1l_> i think he wanted the bot to be present in his channel
[15:09] <DJones> That was the impression I got when he asked in #ubuntu, I pointed him here and thought he'd have stayed around for a response though
[15:10] <DJones> I presume -tw is the Taiwan ubuntu channel
[15:15] <m4v> jesus, #ubuntu-tw has its access list set in not a good way.
[15:19] <m4v> I was just checking if namoamitabuddha was an op anyway, he's not so I believe we shouldn't send a bot over there yet.
[18:01] <kamusin> hello
[18:03] <Fuchs> yes, hi
[18:03] <kamusin> I would like to know how can we request a lubotu for record our irc channel... any hints are appreciated
[18:08] <Fuchs> I am afraid I can't help you with that, but just be patient in here, maybe someone who cans shows up :)  Sorry
[18:08] <kamusin> don't worry Fuchs , it's ok ;)
[18:21] <cprofitt> kamusin: what is the channel?
[18:33] <kamusin> cprofitt, ubuntu-cl
[18:33] <kamusin> cprofitt, please :)
[18:48] <jussi> kamusin: are you after logging or factoids?
[18:50] <kamusin> jussi, I don't know
[18:51] <jussi> kamusin: what do you want the bot to do for you?
[18:51] <jussi> kamusin: you just asked fro a lubotu... its an irc bot.
[18:52] <jussi> do you want to be able to do
[18:52] <jussi> !bot
[18:52] <jussi> or do you want what happens in the channel to be reorded to the web
[18:52] <Unit193> Nobody wants that...
[18:53] <kamusin> why not Unit193 ?
[18:53] <Unit193> kamusin: Partly kidding, ignore me. :P
[18:54] <kamusin> heh
[18:54] <jussi> kamusin: tell me why you wanted the lubotu - what caused you to come here
[18:55] <jussi> kamusin: and please keep the questions in this channel
[18:55] <kamusin> we would like to log all that happen in the channel and be able to have a registry in irclogs.ubuntu.com
[18:55] <kamusin> that's it
[18:55] <jussi> ok
[18:55] <kamusin> that/what happen/
[18:55] <jussi> so send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>requesting that
[18:56] <kamusin> ok
[19:01] <kamusin> jussi, email sent
[22:37] <Phantomas> Hello! I am a fresh ubuntu member, may I ask for an ubuntu cloak? :) My launchpad ID: https://launchpad.net/~phantomas
[22:38] <k1l> Phantomas: congrats. just wait for an IRCC member to confirm it.
[22:39] <Phantomas> k1l: Thank you! Sure!
[22:40] <AlanBell> hi Phantomas
[22:40] <AlanBell> that all looks to be in order
[22:40] <Phantomas> Hi AlanBell!
[22:40] <nhandler> AlanBell: Should I go ahead and cloak?
[22:40] <AlanBell> staff can we have an ubuntu/member/phantomas cloak please
[22:40] <nhandler> Congratulations Phantomas !
[22:41] <AlanBell> yay, thanks nhandler and congrats Phantomas
[22:41] <Phantomas> Thank you both! :)
[22:43] <Unit193> Congrats.
[22:44] <Phantomas> Thanks!
[22:44] <IdleOne> Phantomas: Congrats again :)
[22:44] <Phantomas> IdleOne: Thank you for your vote! :)
[22:45] <IdleOne> was my pleasure sir
[22:45] <IdleOne> thank you for the awesome work.
[22:46] <Phantomas> :)
[22:50] <Phantomas> Oh, it's done already... didn't notice it :) Thanks nhandler and everyone!


[12:46] <pgquiles_> nixternal: ping
[12:47] <kwwii_> erm, we need to point the kplash to another pic
[12:48] <kwwii_> the current large sized version from KDM looks crappy (and is misaligned)
[12:54] <kwwii_> erm, stupid me, it is still two pics :p
[12:56] <nixternal> pgquiles_: pong?
[12:58] <pgquiles_> nixternal: in bug 125325, I think the "Introduction to Kubuntu" should start with "Your data is safe" and move "Philosophy" to the end, otherwise people won't read anything after the first one or two lines of "Philosophy"
[12:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125325 in kubuntu-docs "Live CD should provide information for Windows/Mac users after boot" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125325
[12:59] <nixternal> pgquiles_: remember that this document isn't only for the LiveCD. I also think that a real warning should be offered with the LiveCD itself and not a document
[12:59] <nixternal> most people who try a LiveCD already know what it is about...the locations they download from already state the obvious
[01:00] <nixternal> those who receive a CD from ShipIt will have the instructions right there as well as the info right on the case
[01:01] <pgquiles_> nixternal: when I proposed such a document, I was targetting the LiveCD only, specifically people who have been given away the CD and know nothing about Linux, Kubuntu, etc (the kind of people who really need that information)
[01:02] <pgquiles_> giving that information to users who already know Linux, KDE, etc is pointless, IMHO
[01:02] <nixternal> that is something that is already spec'd for all of the LiveCDs and Ubiquity
[01:03] <nixternal> who knows when that would get implemented..right now the easiest way to do such a thing would be in the about document since it is already in main
[01:11] <kwwii_> Riddell: I updated Dialog.png in k-d-s/artwork/ksplash/ please include it in the next build if possible
[01:35] <nixternal> jeesh, he will not listen about filing bugs in LP
[01:36] <mhb> nixternal: who?
[01:36] <nixternal> spiroo in #kubuntu and now #ubuntu+1
[01:36] <nixternal> robotgeek and I both told him to file boogs in LP
[01:36] <robotgeek> heh
[01:37] <nixternal> I should tell him in #ubuntu+1 to file a bug in LP
[01:37] <nixternal> haha, someone already beat me to it
[01:37] <robotgeek> oh good.
[01:37] <nixternal> and he is still going on
[01:37] <nixternal> head > keyboard
[01:38] <nixternal> I don't think he is a troll, just a little thick headed
[01:39] <nixternal> ya, he didn't know that you reported Kubuntu bugs on the same website as Ubuntu bugs
[01:39] <nixternal> you know what, he isn't the first to think that either
[01:40] <robotgeek> well, i am just a cynical person
[01:41] <nixternal> lol
[01:41] <robotgeek> plus, irc is scary when you start
[01:42] <nixternal> ya, I remember when I started right after the BBS stuff stopped in the early 90s
[01:42] <nixternal> it ran very similar, but my lord there were a lot of people
[01:42] <robotgeek> hmm, i'm a noob. plus, freenode is "safe"
[01:43] <robotgeek> i've heard about the wildwest days of irc, and it does not seem like fun
[01:43] <nixternal> ya, effnet was scary
[01:43] <nixternal> that was a server with everything and their mother on it
[01:43] <robotgeek> lo
[01:44] <nixternal> fo0d t1m3
[01:44] <robotgeek> lol, err. i do type faster than i think
[01:44] <nixternal> ya, I went 1990s old skewl on ya there :)
[05:21] <Hobbsee> mhb: tinyurl is your friend.
[06:27] <nixternal> error: expected `)' before * token
[06:27] <nixternal> I get that from this line ->     ImgConv(QObject* = 0);
[06:27] <nixternal> annoying
[06:47] <nixternal> jeesh, ImgConf(QOject* = 0) is what I had
[08:31] <Tm_T> freeflying: ping
[08:31] <freeflying> Tm_T: hi
[08:32] <Tm_T> hello :)
[08:32] <freeflying> Tm_T: so long haven't seen you, how is going :)
[08:37] <Tm_T> mostly alive thanks :)
[08:37] <Tm_T> hey, am I still in your msn contact list?
[08:37] <freeflying> yes
[08:37] <Tm_T> slap me there
[08:37] <Tm_T> :)
[08:38] <freeflying> :)
[08:38] <Tm_T> nothing urgent
[11:59] <fabo> Riddell: i was away until today. about kmplayer 0.10.0~pre2 stable ? so far yes, but i doubt it must be shipped due to its pre release state.
[02:09] <nixternal> mornin'


[00:02] <SpamapS> mathiaz: ping! - hoping that we can upload moin 1.9.3 before FF tomorrow, if you can take a look at the merge here that would be great: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moin/+bug/586518
[00:02] <mathiaz> SpamapS: ^^ that's not good ;)
[00:02] <SpamapS> ttx: I added you to the merge proposal too, since you did the last merge just before lucid release
[00:03] <SpamapS> haha
[00:03] <SpamapS> bug 586518
[00:04] <SpamapS> ubottu: I knew you could do it
[00:30] <Guest76764> ...
[00:31] <hlieberman> Better.  Question: What is ubuntu policy on shipping .pc files (for pkg-config)?
[00:31] <hlieberman> It appears that very few packages use them anymore.
[00:33] <TheMuso> hlieberman: Actually, a lot of packages use them. .pc files are shipped in a packages -dev package. So if you have a library, you have libname0 for example, and libname-dev, the .pc pkg-config file goes in libname-dev
[00:34] <micahg> hlieberman: they're fairly common (2114 files in Lucid), is there a specific package missing one
[00:38] <hlieberman> Hm.
[00:38] <hlieberman> One second, let me check why...
[00:55] <hlieberman> Ah, got it. Thanks. :)
[01:47] <tle> I'm looking for an open source project to join and contribute to as a developer. Preferably a smaller project that I can help grow. Does anyone have any suggestions?
[02:08] <RAOF> tle: I'd suggest finding a program that does most of what you want, but has some niggles, and then go on to fix those niggles.
[02:12] <tle> RAOF: thanks
[02:35] <seif> tle, we started a very new small project
[02:35] <seif> tle, do u use python
[02:36] <tle> seif: I have very little experience. mostly C, C++, Objective-C, Java, C#
[02:36] <seif> tle, u can learn python
[02:36] <seif> it is very easy
[02:36] <seif> hi RAOF
[02:36] <tle> seif: so I hear
[02:36] <RAOF> seif: Howdie.
[02:37] <RAOF> Banshee's fun to hack on :)
[02:37] <seif> RAOF, +1
[02:37] <seif> RAOF, banshee seem like it is going to get an extension
[02:37] <seif> did u vote already
[02:37] <seif> ?
[02:37] <seif> for a zeitgeist extension
[02:41] <RAOF> seif: Yeah, I did.
[02:41] <seif> RAOF, AWESOME
[04:12] <kirkland> pitti: howdy!  can you please accept https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=screen for lucid-proposed?
[05:28] <pitti> Good morning
[05:28] <pitti> kirkland: sorry, lucid is still in 10.04.1 freeze
[05:29] <ajmitch> morning pitti
[05:39] <baptistemm> hi there
[05:42] <micahg> if I'm getting unused substitution warnings, but I ran lesspipe and everything looks ok, should I ignorethem/
[06:58] <pitti> cjwatson: good morning! can you please move d-i/lucid-proposed to -updates? (this requires some extra magic)
[07:45] <tjaalton> hey, I see dpkg with the sync() patch is still in lucid-proposed since June 28th, are there issues with it or will it get in updates soon?
[07:46] <micahg> tjaalton: was there verifiication in -proposed?
[07:46] <tjaalton> noticed that installing with ext3 took 35min while ext4 made it double
[07:46] <tjaalton> micahg: the bug shows verification done
[07:46] <tjaalton> oh wait
[07:47] <tjaalton> duh, it is in updates
[07:47] <tjaalton> so the slowdown is something different
[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[08:07] <dholbach> mvo: bug 586790!
[08:08] <dholbach> mvo: slacker! :-P
[08:09] <mvo> hey dholbach
[08:09]  * dholbach hugs mvo
[08:09] <dholbach> hey slomo
[08:09] <mvo> weeehhh … the sponsoring police
[08:09]  * mvo tries to hide
[08:09] <dholbach> haha
[08:10] <mvo> dholbach: *cough* but you got me, big indanereherenwort to sponsor it today
[08:10] <dholbach> haha
[08:10] <dholbach> just merge it in and upload whenever - I forgot about it myself
[08:10] <dholbach> somebody who was at the session at the time just reminded me
[08:12] <slomo> hi dholbach
[08:27] <garet> hello, I am having trouble with an upstart job that isn't running on boot (works well once booted) and I can't find clues on where it's failing
[08:28] <garet> does anyone know where are traces of the init process ? or how I can make a more detail debug session
[08:31] <dholbach> pitti, lool: to get bug 525512 fixed, I just need to sponsor the diff of bug 525395?
[08:31] <dholbach> DktrKranz: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
[08:33] <pitti> dholbach: I'll just move the package to main; but the backuppc (525395) one needs sponsoring as it seems?
[08:33] <dholbach> pitti: ok, I'm happy to sponsor it
[08:33] <pitti> dholbach: moved to main, I'll update the bug
[08:33] <dholbach> ROCK
[08:34] <dholbach> pitti: muchas gracias
[08:34] <pitti> de nada
[08:48] <DktrKranz> dholbach: THANKS!
[08:53] <dholbach> pitti, lool: what about python-werkzeug, parsedatetime, libapache2-mod-wsgi and python-xappy? did those MIRs make it?
[08:53] <dholbach> (just looking at the moin merge)
[08:54] <lool> I have not been active on MIRs this cycle
[08:54] <lool> asac/pitti/kees/doko did most of the work I think
[08:54] <lool> (sorry for the highlights)
[08:54] <dholbach> lool: slacker! :-P
[08:55] <Laney> is the sync queue going to be processed before FF?
[08:56] <dholbach> "LP will go down for maintenace in 30 seconds."
[08:57] <Laney> good timing
[09:06] <soren> Whuh.... If recvfrom returns 0, am I the only one who'd be surprised to find the message buffer actually populated with data?
[09:08] <dholbach> Laney: nice reply on the motu list
[09:10] <Laney> dholbach: Cheers. I feel like I'm forever redirecting people ;)
[09:10] <dholbach> Laney: don't underestimate the service you're doing with that :)
[09:29] <bilalakhtar> I just used requestsync. Later, I noticed that lp is down for maintainence. What will happen in such a case?
[10:22] <tkamppeter> The upload server is down. "dput" (to main) gives a "[Errno 111] Connection refused".
[10:23] <tkamppeter> I can ping upload.ubuntu.com though.
[10:24] <ttx> nothing like LP maintenance on FeatureFreeze day.
[10:28]  * asac will do MIRs for 1h+ today
[10:40] <tkamppeter> dput server is back.
[10:41] <tkamppeter> Will Thunderbird 3.1 make it into Maverick?
[10:49] <jibel> mvo, Hey, bug 615923 . a keystroke error I guess.
[10:51] <mvo> jibel: *gar* thanks, I have a look
[10:55] <dholbach> MIR people: what about python-werkzeug, parsedatetime, libapache2-mod-wsgi and python-xappy? did those MIRs make it?
[10:59] <pitti> tkamppeter: my hero! *hug* :)
[11:02] <dholbach> ttx: can you or somebody have a second look over the moin merge? it'd be nice to go in, I'm just not sure if all the MIRs made it
[11:03] <mvo> jibel: fix uploaded
[11:03] <ttx> dholbach: I'm on it
[11:03] <dholbach> yeeehaw
[11:24] <tkamppeter> pitti, should we add the pt_BR langpack to the CD as the guy who has written the PPD compression is Brazilian?
[11:27] <ion> tkamppeter: Shouldn’t openprinting-ppds depend on python, btw?
[11:29] <ttx> dholbach: done
[11:29]  * ttx lunches
[11:30] <pitti> tkamppeter: right now pt is on i386 only, but after those savings we can put it back on amd64 as well perhaps :)
[11:39] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have added ${python:Depends} to all binary packages which contain PPD archives.
[11:39] <tkamppeter> ion, ^^
[11:39] <pitti> tkamppeter: oh, why? (those only work if you call dh_pysupport)
[11:41] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, so the .ppd files are now being generated by a Python module?
[11:41] <tkamppeter> ion, pitti, "dpkg -p openprinting.ppds" gives "Depends: python, xz-utils", does this not come from "${python:Depends}"?
[11:41] <pitti> tkamppeter: seems to be alright
[11:42] <tkamppeter> pitti, yes, the self-extracting archives in /usr/lib/cups/driver/ are Python programs. They only use standard modules and the xz command line utility.
[11:54]  * dholbach hugs ttx
[12:33] <SpamapS> ttx: ^5!
[12:35] <ttx> SpamapS: ⁵
[12:35] <kirkland> pitti: dang, even for -proposed?
[12:53] <Kano> why is isohybrid not called on the iso image? then it would be hybrid
[12:53] <Kano> any specific problem to do so
[12:55] <ogra> Kano, file a but ?
[12:55] <ogra> *bug
[12:56] <ogra> Kano, we just upgraded to a new syslinux and looking at bug 553581 isohybrid wasnt even included in the syslinux package until the 14th
[12:56] <Kano> ogra: the bug was filed last year
[12:57] <ogra> Kano, last year we still used an old syslinux version and i dont think that had any hybrid support, the new syslinux only eneterd ubuntu in maverick
[12:57] <Kano> i know thats why i reported a bug, now syslinux is new enough but no isohybrid script was called on the iso image
[12:58] <Kano> you have to do that on your build-box
[12:58] <ogra> against what is the bug filed ?
[12:59] <ogra> if it needs to happen on the builder, add a task for debian-cd then the cdimage team will see it
[13:00] <Kano> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/524803
[13:02] <ogra> that has an answer from colin with an explanation why its not done yet
[13:02] <Kano> that was 4 weeks ago and nothing changed
[13:02] <ogra> (who in turn is on vacation)
[13:02] <ogra> just be patient
[13:03] <Kano> it is still the case that all other distos which i test / create can do that since last year
[13:03] <ogra> we are not "other distros"
[13:04] <Kano> yes u is special, not always in a good way ;)
[13:04] <ogra> cdimage team is obviously aware and the person working on it is on holiday
[13:36] <Kano> why does the kubuntu installer not ask for a bootloader target?
[13:36] <Kano> also it seems the installer ist broken anyway...
[13:48] <sladen> Kano: the person who looks after cdimage/syslinux build is on holiday.  If you want them to get your feedback, can you post it on the bug report
[13:49] <Kano> i got that already, what about the kubuntu installer
[13:49] <sladen> Kano: alot of the install process is about automation---eg. if there is only one answer, not to ask the question
[13:49] <sladen> Kano: is that what you're seeing?
[13:49] <sladen> Kano: if there /is/ a bug, it would be good to get it fixed
[13:50] <Kano> first of all there is not only 1 option, not only mbr is a target, also the partition
[13:50] <Kano> but it just does not install any bootloader - i used manual partition mode without swap partition
[13:50] <sladen> Kano: btw, all of the installer logic is in the back-end;  the only difference between K/Ubuntu installers is in the frontend GUI
[13:50] <Kano> and selected one partition with ext4 / format
[13:52] <sladen> Kano: if you're doing things /manually/;  do you have a bootable partition selected (eg. the root one)
[13:52] <Kano> when i only select / then this is the partition
[13:53] <Kano> the initrd is not copied nor recreated
[13:53] <Kano> boot/grub empty
[13:53] <Kano> i booted from a hybrid usb stick of course
[13:53] <sladen> the initramfs is updated by  sudo update-initramfs;  in-turn called by  sudo update-grub
[13:54] <Kano> you can be sure i know how to update/create an initrd
[13:55] <sladen> Kano: here in Ubuntu we try to be open and helpful to everyone regardless of prior knowledge, so I hope you'll forgive me for going through all the options
[13:55] <Kano> it is part of the installer to do that
[13:56] <Kano> and that part was skipped
[13:56] <sladen> Kano: yes, and generally the installer manages to create working installations
[13:57] <sladen> Kano: but in this case you appear to have managed to create a situation where something has not worked as expected
[13:57] <Kano> maybe somebody should test it...
[13:57] <sladen> Kano: however, I'm unclear /what/ you sequence you've done, so I'm trying to ask questions to find out
[13:57] <ogra_cmpc> it has been tested extensively for alpha3 last week
[13:58] <Kano> i used the daily build
[13:58] <sladen> Kano: so far, all I've understood is that on the machine in question, it was booted from an USB image, manually partitioned and then has failed to boot
[13:58] <ogra_cmpc> if you want a tested image, use that one, if you want to use the daily, file a bug
[13:58] <Kano> because no initrd was created and no grub installed
[13:59] <sladen> Kano: right, so if it's a bug, please could you assist the development of Ubuntu by filing it at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug
[14:00] <ogra_cmpc> or use ubuntu-bug if your test install is networked
[14:04] <Kano> i think there is a much bigger problem, because the domain is not set, no autologin used, no user created...
[14:04] <Kano> will try the alpha3...
[14:17] <Kano> a3 shows a summary screen where to select the bootloader
[14:20] <sladen> Kano: so the exact same sequence of keypresses between alpha3 and daily produces a different sequence of output
[14:20] <Kano> yes
[14:21] <Kano> well i missed to change the keyboard to no dead keys this time i think
[14:21] <sladen> Kano: in which case that clearly is a bug.  Please file it at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug (or just type 'ubuntu-bug' at the command line and follow the isntructions)
[14:21] <sladen> Kano: can you try again with the exact same sequence please---(although it probably a bug either way)
[14:22] <sladen> Kano: but bugs can only be followed up and *fixed* when they are tracked the bug tracker (otherwise they just scroll off the top of IRC...)
[15:37] <dholbach> kenvandine: I marked 577486 as patch-forwarded-upstream :)
[15:37] <rsavoye> how can I unsubscribe to a launchpad bug email list ? It's obvious how to subcribe, but not to get off
[15:46] <JFo> rsavoye, there should be something by your name or at the top of the list on the bug if you are logged in that would allow you to unsubscribe
[15:46] <rsavoye> that's what I thought, but couldn't find it
[15:49] <rsavoye> I'd just rather read the bugs via the web page, than overflowing my inbox
[15:50] <kenvandine> dholbach, thx
[15:51] <rsavoye> JFo: I still don't see it. All I get us a "subscribe to bug mail", and no "unsubscribe"
[15:53] <JFo> huh, let me look into it a bit rsavoye
[15:53] <rsavoye> I thought this should be simple! :-)
[15:54] <JFo> it seems to be though I wonder why you can't see it :)
[15:54] <JFo> I juswt checked a bug I am subbed on
[15:54] <JFo> at the top of the list of subscribers I see a red circle with a minus and the word unsubscribe
[15:54] <JFo> but then
[15:55] <JFo> I have also had instances where the edit tag pencil was invisible
[15:55] <rsavoye> where is the list of subscribers ? This is for linaro-toolchain
[15:55] <JFo> so anything is possible
[15:55] <JFo> should be on the right side of the screen
[15:55] <rsavoye> I'm obviously not very used to launchpad
[15:55] <JFo> heh
[15:55] <JFo> no problem
[15:55] <rsavoye> so I'm here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-toolchain
[15:56]  * JFo looks
[15:56] <rsavoye> it's just that right now I get more bug reports than spam...
[15:56] <JFo> ah, I see what you mean
[15:56] <JFo> one sec
[15:56] <rsavoye> whew :-)
[15:56] <JFo> let me check something
[15:58] <JFo> rsavoye, let me ask someone. seems dumb that there is no unsubscribe
[15:58] <rsavoye> thanks, now I feel less like a total idiot
[15:59] <JFo> rsavoye, no one could call you any kind of idiot :)
[15:59] <rsavoye> hey, it's good to feel stupid once in a while... :-)
[15:59] <JFo> heh
[16:00] <JFo> are you on a mailing list for the linaro-toolchain?
[16:00] <rsavoye> yes, since I'm interested
[16:00] <JFo> I just wonder if that is where the mail is coming from
[16:00] <JFo> on the bugs
[16:00] <rsavoye> got me...
[16:00] <rsavoye> the bug email only lists the bug report URL
[16:00] <JFo> seems like there should be an unsubscribe for you if you are subscribed
[16:00] <JFo> hmmm
[16:00]  * JFo tries something
[16:01] <rsavoye> sounds like the borg... once assimilated, you never get out...
[16:01] <JFo> heh, yes it does
[16:01] <JFo> I may have found you an answer though
[16:01] <seb128> Riddell, jdstrand, james_w: does any of you has some time for binary new today?
[16:02]  * directhex has one teeny tiny thing in binary new
[16:03] <JFo> rsavoye, I guess maybe I don't
[16:03] <JFo> let me ask someone else
[16:05] <JFo> rsavoye, if you go here: https://edge.launchpad.net/linaro-toolchain/+subscribe
[16:05] <JFo> are the items checked?
[16:05] <james_w> seb128: I shall do some
[16:05] <seb128> james_w, thanks
[16:06] <rsavoye> JFo: whre, thanks that did it.
[16:06] <JFo> excellent :)
[16:06] <rsavoye> maybe this should be more obvious to do for us launchpad newbies
[16:06] <JFo> heh, yeah
[16:06] <JFo> it wasn't obvious to me either
[16:07] <JFo> and I should have known
[16:07] <rsavoye> it makes about as much sense as clicking "Start" to shut down a windoze machine...
[16:07] <JFo> hah! indeed
[16:07] <highvoltage> that's not completely senseless at least, it's like saying "start the shutdown sequence"
[16:12] <seb128> james_w, don't new grail binaries if you do, they are brokenly named
[16:14] <james_w> seb128: thanks
[16:26] <RenatoSilva> There was any recent change in behavior of /var/log/auth.log? It seems the system hopefully won't log wrong passowords in this file anymore.
[17:11] <ogasawara> StevenK: are you on archive admin duty today by chance?  If/when you have a moment, could I get the linux (2.6.35-15.21) packages in the New queue accepted?
[17:26] <seb128> doko, could you get https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/ubuntu/maverick/autoconf2.64/lp600991/+merge/29328 in debian?
[17:32] <seb128> lool, is somebody still going to review bug #599874?
[17:34] <seb128> kirkland, hey, could you review the change on bug #591610?
[17:36] <seb128> hallyn, ^ if that bug still revelent?
[17:36] <seb128> it seems there was another sru since
[17:54] <ScottK> nhandler: Would you please fix the fridge freeze announcement to just refer to ubuntu-release and not motu-release per robbiew's followup mail.
[18:01] <lool> seb128: Sorry, I'm not very active on the MIR team this cycle
[18:01] <lool> seb128: Would be best to ping the other reviewers
[18:42] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Any reason why sync in bug #605774 didn't happen? I can't see any..
[18:57] <mathiaz> pitti: do apport hooks require a FFe?
[18:58] <hallyn> seb128: checking (on bug #591610)
[19:00] <hallyn> tbh i'm confused, i thought that had gone in
[19:04] <mathiaz> james_w: hi
[19:04] <james_w> hi mathiaz
[19:04] <mathiaz> james_w: could you look at apache2 pkg branches?
[19:04] <mathiaz> james_w: it seems that they haven't been imported for a while now
[19:05] <seb128> hallyn, could you close it if the recent update fixed the issue?
[19:05] <mathiaz> james_w: BTW who should I report these problems to nowadays?
[19:05] <james_w> mathiaz: unsure
[19:07] <hallyn> seb128: close the bug you mean?  or somehow close the merge request?
[19:08] <hallyn> seb128: I'm afraid I can't verify muchof anything right now - getting 12kb/s...
[19:09] <seb128> hallyn, right, close the bug and delete the request
[19:10] <pitti> mathiaz: not from my side; please go ahead and add them
[19:11] <mathiaz> pitti: great - thanks!
[19:11] <hallyn> seb128: ok, thanks, will do (after verifying)
[19:11] <mathiaz> pitti: BTW - how do you test apport hooks?
[19:12] <pitti> mathiaz: ubuntu-bug mypkg, and then check the details expander
[19:12] <mathiaz> pitti: ie making sure that the hook is working correctly (eg no python syntax error)
[19:12] <pitti> mathiaz: or, write a small __main__ method which initializes a dict, pass that to your add_info(), and print it
[19:12] <mathiaz> pitti: cool - thnaks!
[19:12] <pitti> (you can leave that in production)
[19:38] <djzn> any info on 10.04.1
[20:02] <ngenen> Hi there
[20:05] <jason_> hello, I have an OpenGL related question. Anyone know of the correct channel?
[20:05] <megabraker> jason_ what about #opengl?
[20:06] <jason_> well I worked with Frame Buffer Objects in OpenGL, which required the use of Render Context's. But this was under Windows
[20:07] <jason_> What I'm trying to figure out is how to set up Render Context's under linux
[20:08] <jason_> the sample I found (under Windows) used wglCreateContext, which I looked at the header and found it was from Microsoft
[20:08] <jason_> so I assume that that will not be present under linux
[20:09] <megabraker> jason_ honestly i dont have any idea but are you working with 3d design?
[20:09] <jason_> well I'm working with real-time 3d rendering
[20:09] <megabraker> game dev?
[20:10] <jason_> yeah, eventually
[20:10] <megabraker> with what language ?
[20:10] <jason_> c++
[20:11] <megabraker> ah is it easy to learn 3d dev?
[20:11] <megabraker> i heared that c++ is a lil bit hard
[20:11] <ngenen> jason_, this is not the place but.. what do you want to do ?
[20:11] <jason_> well, for me, I am able to go back and forth between c++/c#/vb.net like they are the same thing
[20:12] <megabraker> ok thanks
[20:12] <ngenen> ok, from the beginning do not under any circunstance compare cpp with vb.net
[20:12] <ngenen> -.-
[20:13] <jason_> ngnen, I am actually working cross-platform here, trying to make it so my game is easily portable from windows, linux, and mac OS
[20:13] <ngenen> jason_, ogre3d is for you
[20:14] <jason_> hehe, I might use that at some time....but hmmm, you must be suggesting don't try and do it from scratch
[20:15] <ngenen> jason_, well.. it's normal start with something "easy" and go depper..
[20:15] <ngenen> not the inverse way..
[20:15] <ngenen> you can't do kernel hacks if you don't know bash..
[20:15] <ngenen> you know what I mean ?
[20:15] <jason_> heh....true
[20:16] <ngenen> Ogre3D has Direct3D and OpenGL inside, and its abstracted to work with objects
[20:16] <ngenen> so you don't need to lidiate with internal stuff
[20:17] <jason_> btw, this is what I've done in 3d so far
[20:17] <jason_> http://www.youtube.com/user/jviper2004
[20:18] <ngenen> it's better develop in the way "put a light here" than "in the angle 50º looking to the angle 120º, with a refraction of 40% and it ligthing of 80% respect viewport2"
[20:19] <ngenen> jason_, doing that on ogre3d would take.. like a day if you're "learning"
[20:19] <ngenen> once you know it, it took like.. 15, 20min. of code
[20:20] <jason_> yep
[20:21] <ngenen> seriously, go for ogre3d
[20:21] <ngenen> you'll thank me
[20:21] <jason_> I'll probably take a look at it, thanks
[20:21] <ngenen> :) u welcome
[20:27] <Laney> yay for syncs
[20:34] <Keybuk> Android scares me
[20:36] <alkisg> The gr.archive.ubuntu.com server has been down for about 10 days causing a lot of grief for non-sources.list-savvy people here, can I report that somewhere?
[20:36] <JFo> Keybuk, how so? :)
[20:36] <alkisg> (i.e. a temporary dns change to map to another greek server)
[20:37] <Pici> alkisg: I believe that the sysadmins already know about it, but #canonical-sysadmin would the place to report it.
[20:37] <alkisg> Thank you
[20:38] <strycore> Hello everyone
[20:40] <strycore> Got a tricky question here, it's been bugging me for ages. Here it is : In any GTK program that has text edition capabilities, there is the most annoying behavior with  Ctrl+ Delete
[20:41] <Keybuk> JFo: using Java as an Operating System
[20:41] <JFo> ah, yes...
[20:41] <strycore> Ctrl + Delete should erase whitespace until a word is found, and stop but GTK deletes the first word found
[20:42] <cody-somerville> Keybuk, I think this might be scarier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JNode
[20:44] <strycore> An example of good behaviour is Netbeans btw
[20:45] <Keybuk> heh
[20:45] <Keybuk> that is scary
[20:45] <Keybuk> at least Android don't write their kernel in Java
[20:46] <strycore>  /*  Damn it, I've been writing on the wrong channel all along -_- */
[20:48] <Keybuk> strace -ff pbuilder pbuild ...
[20:48] <Keybuk> *sigh*
[20:50] <neeraj> If i use debcheckout on a certain package, then it will only download the source of the specific package from the VCS repository maintianed in debian.. right?
[20:50] <Laney> It'll check out whatever is in control
[20:51] <Keybuk> pbuilder-build.8033:execve("/usr/X11R6/bin/dbus-daemon", ... ) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[20:51] <Keybuk> err
[20:51] <Keybuk> WTF
[20:51] <neeraj> Can i download the source code of a latest released version of a certain package without using dget command on the dsc file?
[20:52] <neeraj> Laney: what if I don't have the package with me right now. I just want to quickly download source code of latest release of xyz package in Maverick.
[20:52] <Laney> neeraj: If you have a maverick deb-src line, apt-get source package
[20:53] <Laney> …or pull-lp-source package if you have ubuntu-dev-tools installed, or bzr branch lp:ubuntu/package
[20:53] <Laney> many ways
[20:54] <neeraj> Laney: ok Thanks for the pointers. Last question. If I have lucid and wants to download the source code of xyz package from Maverick, then what flag i should use.
[20:54] <Keybuk> huh
[20:55] <Keybuk> pitti: there?
[20:55] <Laney> do any of the others than apt-get source, or add a maverick deb-src line
[20:59] <neeraj> Ok. thanks :)
[21:13] <Keybuk> so, we no longer install Recommends by default?
[21:19] <ari-tczew> james_w: ping
[21:19] <james_w> hi ari-tczew
[21:19] <ari-tczew> james_w: hello, are all OK with syncs?
[21:19] <ari-tczew> because I see that you uploaded packages, but there are no new uploads in launchpad
[21:20] <james_w> excuse me?
[21:20] <Laney> I think he's asking about flushing the syncs
[21:21] <james_w> ah, yeah, just done that
[21:34] <SpamapS> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 7.4.20ubuntu6)
[21:34] <SpamapS> hrm...
[21:34] <SpamapS> mysql-5.1 depends on a version of debhelper that doesn't exist on my archive mirror.. :(
[21:49] <nhandler> ScottK: Done
[21:49] <mathiaz> pitti: is there any integration between scripts found in /usr/share/bug/ and apport?
[21:51] <ScottK> nhandler: Thanks.
[21:51] <Laney> Were recommends of Build-Depends ever installed?
[21:51] <ScottK> Laney: No.
[21:51] <nhandler> ScottK: You are welcome. He sent the follow-up shortly after I did the Fridge post
[21:51] <ScottK> (AFAIK)
[21:51] <Laney> I didn't think so
[21:51] <Laney> Keybuk: ^^^
[21:51] <Keybuk> Laney: upstart has built before ;-)
[21:52] <Keybuk> though I could well believe dbus got installed for some other reason
[21:52] <Keybuk> and something else changed
[22:17] <soren> SpamapS: Maverick has 8.0.0something.
[22:54] <ScottK> That's a recent change.  Probably just mirror lag.
[23:14] <SpamapS> Yeah my mirror seems to not update daily for maverick