[09:22] <gcollura> is there anybody here that could help me with this failed autolanding? https://code.launchpad.net/~gcollura/ubuntu-calendar-app/fix-1401718/+merge/245417
[11:19]  * mihir just waves after a break
[17:45] <gcollura> timp, I fixed bug #1341814 I hope you don't mind :)
[20:01] <AkivaAvraham> !ping
[22:25] <DS-McGuire> AkivaAvraham, o/
[22:26] <AkivaAvraham> DS-McGuire, long time no talk
[22:26] <DS-McGuire> AkivaAvraham, Very! How are things?
[22:26] <DS-McGuire> I am sorry about that one day I didn't show up, I wasn't at home for longer than I planned to be.
[22:27] <AkivaAvraham> Getting somewhat back on track. Oh that? I forgot about it too tbh.  Do link! I remember something about that.
[22:29] <AkivaAvraham> its in the subreddit
[22:29] <AkivaAvraham> sec
[22:30] <AkivaAvraham> https://www.ics.com/design-patterns#.VHhA_D5vKE9.reddit
[22:30] <AkivaAvraham> I ended up downloading it so I wouldnt have to log in every time
[22:31] <DS-McGuire> AkivaAvraham, That's awesome. I will be taking a look at that for sure. I am currently a bit under the weather so I will be taking a look at it after that!
[22:32] <AkivaAvraham> I just do a bit in the mornings; start from point a - its really a lot of fun
[22:32] <DS-McGuire> Is there anyway you could send me it so I don't have to register?  Do you have any tips of mitigating its disasterous effects on a procastinator?
[22:49] <DS-McGuire> AkivaAvraham, Haha! I do not sorry. I also sucks away all my time too
[22:49] <AkivaAvraham> damn you reddit!
[22:50] <AkivaAvraham> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3ujqoc6Rzuw/maxresdefault.jpg
[22:53] <ahayzen_> AkivaAvraham, does ICS charge you to view/download that book?
[22:54] <AkivaAvraham> nope
[22:54] <AkivaAvraham> free
[22:54] <AkivaAvraham> ahayzen_, ^
[22:54] <ahayzen_> AkivaAvraham, blimey! its like £30 on amazon! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Introduction-Patterns-Prentice-Software-Development-ebook/dp/B005JS276S
[22:55] <AkivaAvraham> that reminds me when someone used to sell open office, and it would always be like the number 1 result on google
[22:55] <ahayzen_> AkivaAvraham, thanks for the link, i'll sign up and get it :)
[22:55] <AkivaAvraham> ah glad to hear it
[22:56] <AkivaAvraham> i'm on 1.5 I think. They make you do exercises that teach you everything. Really well done imo
[22:57] <ahayzen_> AkivaAvraham, i feel after doing alot of QML i should really learn the c++/qt side as well lol
[22:57] <AkivaAvraham> ^


[12:37] <camaro> Does anyone know what the following error means?  I got it while doing apt-get upgrade
[12:37] <camaro> Processing triggers for python-central ... Setting up apport (1.13.3-0ubuntu2.2) ... start: Job failed to start
[12:39] <camaro> I suppose there are several reasons why it "failed to start".  What I want to know is how do I find out why it "failed to start".  I am assuming it was "apport".  Another question:  What is apport?


[04:35] <Wonnenangshonat> is there a british colombia channel?
[04:35] <Wonnenangshonat> columbia
[04:45] <willwh> Wonnenangshonat: nope
[04:45] <willwh> well, if you mean, ubuntu-bc, I dont think so
[04:45] <Wonnenangshonat> I see
[04:45] <willwh> the whole canada division thing is usually a hot topic at meetings
[04:45] <willwh> I am in BC though :)
[04:45] <Wonnenangshonat> :)
[04:45] <Wonnenangshonat> Whereabout?
[04:45] <willwh> victoria to be pricse
[04:46] <willwh> wait
[04:46] <willwh> are you from the UK?
[04:46] <willwh> or Scotland more specifically :p
[04:46] <Wonnenangshonat> haha No
[04:46] <willwh> I am........ not many people out this way would say "where about" :P
[04:46] <willwh> hence my question
[04:46] <willwh> I've been in Canada coming up for 5 years =)
[04:47] <Wonnenangshonat> I've never been elsewhere:)
[04:47] <willwh> ah
[04:47] <willwh> where are you in BC?
[04:47] <Wonnenangshonat> Im about 9 miles northwest of the community of smithers
[04:47] <Wonnenangshonat> its on the transcanada/yellowhead highway
[04:48] <Wonnenangshonat> midway between prince rupert and prince george
[04:48] <Wonnenangshonat> about 200 miles from each
[04:48] <willwh> huh, my geo is crap
[04:48] <willwh> but I google maps helped me
[04:48] <willwh> :)
[04:48] <willwh> cold up there atm?
[04:48] <willwh> are you new to ubuntu?
[04:48] <willwh> or linux in general?
[04:48] <willwh> I assume not if you're in IRC ;p
[04:49] <willwh> and didn't just quit immediatrely
[04:49] <willwh> haha
[04:49] <willwh> after no one replied after 30s
[04:49] <Wonnenangshonat> It is snowyy
[04:49] <willwh> D:
[04:49] <Wonnenangshonat> I have been using ubuntu for couple of years now
[04:49] <willwh> nice
[04:50] <willwh> I actually don't use it an my main desktop OS :d
[04:50] <willwh> Windows 7, believe it or not
[04:50] <willwh> but I am constantly shelled in to my ubuntu server that is bolted to the floor of the basement
[04:51] <willwh> and I run lubuntu on my laptop
[04:54] <DarwinSurvivor> Wonnenangshonat: ubuntu vancouver used to have a channel, but they abandoned it about a year ago
[04:54] <willwh> IRC is alive and well in certain places
[04:54] <willwh> but not so much in others =)
[04:56] <DarwinSurvivor> ubuntu vancouver uses meetup and the mailing list for almost anything. I'm not aware of any LoCo's on the island though.
[04:56] <DarwinSurvivor> s/anything/everything/
[04:57] <willwh> there is a VLUG
[04:58] <willwh> but not ubuntu specific
[04:58] <willwh> and no meetings until January 10th I don't think
[04:58] <willwh> DarwinSurvivor: Wonnenangshonat is not on the island ;]
[05:00] <DarwinSurvivor> oh, i thought he said victoria...
[05:00]  * DarwinSurvivor reads back
[05:00] <DarwinSurvivor> oh, my bad, it's you that's in victoria :P
[05:01] <DarwinSurvivor> http://www.meetup.com/ubuntuvancouver/
[05:02] <DarwinSurvivor> VLUG meets at BCIT (Telus theater), Ubuntu-Vancouver meets in downtown (they moved recently, but it's apparently near transit)
[05:23] <Wonnenangshonat> http://imgur.com/a/xhUr4#0
[05:23] <Wonnenangshonat> Heres a gallery of images of our ranch
[05:23] <Wonnenangshonat> These are some of the scene outside our window
[05:23] <Wonnenangshonat> scenes
[05:41] <Wonnenangshonat> Did you see the images I posted?
[12:41] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[15:33] <dscassel> Morning, BluesKaj :)
[15:34] <BluesKaj> hi dscassel :)
[20:36] <Karou> hey
[20:37] <willwh> hi
[20:37] <Karou> i got a issue
[20:38] <Karou> can someone help me?
[20:38] <willwh> what's your problem?
[20:39] <Karou> well ubuntu software center uninstalled
[20:39] <Karou> but i did install synaptic
[20:39] <Karou> before the issue
[20:40] <willwh> sudo apt-get install software-store
[20:40] <willwh> should sort you out
[20:40] <Karou> problem
[20:41] <BluesKaj> synaptic is still the best IMO
[20:41] <Karou> Reading package lists... Done
[20:41] <Karou> Building dependency tree
[20:41] <Karou> Reading state information... Done
[20:41] <Karou> E: Unable to locate package software-store
[20:41] <BluesKaj> and I'm on kde :)
[20:42] <BluesKaj> software-sources perhaps?
[20:42] <Karou> no look at this
[20:43] <Karou> -.-
[20:44] <BluesKaj> look at ?
[20:44] <Karou> i wasent able to install it 2 seconds ago now it works
[20:44] <bregma> many problems are like that
[20:45] <Karou> ...
[20:45] <bregma> heisenbugs
[20:45] <Karou> computers are like women just when yo uthink you got them figured out the change
[20:46] <Karou> they not the
[20:52] <Karou> new issue
[20:52] <Karou> termanial is gonr
[20:52] <Karou> gone
[20:52] <Karou> -.-
[20:53] <Karou> this is getting stupid
[20:53] <willwh> hrm
[20:55] <Karou> and my theme is on clasic now
[20:56] <Karou> wtf is going on
[20:57] <willwh> what did you do before this all started?
[20:57] <willwh> did you remove something that removed a lot of other packages?
[20:57] <willwh> it sounds like it
[20:57] <Karou> no
[20:57] <Karou> i added python 2.6
[21:13] <DarwinSurvivor> oh he left.
[21:13] <DarwinSurvivor> I was going to suggest he check the history in SC to see what was taken oout
[21:13] <DarwinSurvivor> *out


[13:46] <frankban> hazmat: IIRC, our websocket server in Juju does not support the old hixie76 protocol, right? I only see references to hybi07. PhantomJS still supports only the former protocol.
[13:49] <frankban> gary_poster, hazmat: here is my attempt to integrate selenium and phantom in order to run integration tests. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1506674/ It does not work (I think for the reason above). It works replacing phantom with a more conventional driver (i.e. firefox).
[13:50] <gary_poster> frankban, given the lbox approach we have right now, if we could get the tests working in selenium and FF/chrome that would be a huge step forward
[13:51] <gary_poster> we'd want it running locally, of course.
[13:54] <gary_poster> I think phantomjs would be fine for running the existing tests even without addressing the websocket issue
[14:00] <benji> another component for implementing browser tests: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/xvfbwrapper
[14:04] <frankban> gary_poster: I agree. Especially for the charm, it would be great to actually test that the services and/or websocket connections are there instead of just checking the status of web requests. benji: that's cool, so it allows to run tests without actually having an X server running
[14:05] <benji> frankban: it runs an X that only renders to memory
[14:06] <gary_poster> frankban, +1 on improved charm test, yeah
[14:12] <hazmat> frankban, that's unfortunate hixie76 is rather broken
[14:12] <hazmat> gary_poster, phantomjs running mocha tests directly is also a win, but i suspect is more work
[14:13] <frankban> hazmat: yes, they are working on it, AFAICT, they need to integrate a newer version of webkit in phantom
[14:16] <hazmat> frankban, its using qtwebkit..
[14:19] <frankban> hazmat: http://code.google.com/p/phantomjs/issues/detail?id=31
[14:19] <frankban> hazmat: yes, qtwebkit
[15:21] <bac> bcsaller: hi ben, will have you time to pair this afternoon on the pan/zoom issue?
[15:22] <bcsaller> bac: yeah, I should
[15:22] <bac> bcsaller: great
[15:28] <gary_poster> bac bcsaller benji frankban goodspud Makyo teknico call in 2
[15:29] <gary_poster> (hazmat is sick)
[15:29] <frankban> gary_poster, benji: it works: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1506878/
[15:29] <benji> frankban: very nice!
[16:24] <gary_poster> hey goodspud.  you available for juju-ui talk?
[16:24] <goodspud> Yep
[17:14] <benji> I have not done exhaustive testing, but I think our caching story still isn't right.  It appears that I have to clear the browser cache pretty much every time I make any change.
[17:25] <bac> hello bcsaller, you free?
[17:26] <bcsaller> bac: yes
[17:26] <bac> bcsaller: to the bat channel?
[17:26] <bcsaller> bac: there
[20:15] <benji> if anyone would like to review the dramatically changed login branch, please see https://codereview.appspot.com/7007047
[20:19] <gary_poster> I, personally, can barely contain my excitement
[20:21] <benji> About an hour ago I could barely contain other extream emotions.
[20:22] <gary_poster> :-)
[20:31] <gary_poster> benji, AFAICT the login implementation on the rapi/juju side does not return provider_type and default_series on success, the way it is supposed to according to step 5 of http://paste.ubuntu.com/1397723/
[20:32] <gary_poster> To your knowledge am I right?
[20:33] <gary_poster> yeah, pretty sure I am right
[20:33] <gary_poster> "{"log": [["info", "Login success"]], "request_id": 1, "user": "admin", "op": "login", "password": "admin", "result": true}"
[20:33] <benji> gary_poster: I don't know but I can check.  That paste went out the window after revision 1 that assumed the back-end actually worked the way it describes.
[20:33] <gary_poster> benji right :-/
[20:45] <gary_poster> benji, you available for 10 minute review call?
[20:45] <benji> gary_poster: sure
[20:46] <gary_poster> benji, cool.  juju-ui is available


[08:49] <knome> jphilips, you mean like the press page we already have?
[08:49] <knome> or something else?
[08:52] <jphilips> knome: yep that page looks fine. strange i had visited it before as it was in my history but didn't notice it in the menu when i was thinking about it
[08:53] <jphilips> did you want to add press entries for non LTS releases?
[08:55] <jphilips> now i remember, i was only looking under 'The Blog' thinking that it would have been under there. ;D
[08:55] <knome> yes, the goal is to have links for all releases if contributors have the time and energy
[09:09] <jphilips> knome: okay will rounds some up for you to copy and paste
[09:09] <knome> cheers
[10:45] <jphilips> does the new Super + D keyboard shortcut introduced with 19.10 work with anyone, as it doesn't for me on the 19.10 live cd or installed
[10:45] <jphilips> bluesabre: ^^^
[10:48] <jphilips> tested it also in onboard and doesnt work their either
[10:50] <jphilips> brainwash: i visited https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-bugs but there is no means to file a bug there
[10:51] <brainwash> as said earlier, it's a user/group
[10:52] <brainwash> not a package or project
[10:53] <jphilips> oh okay. so do we have a bug reporting url
[10:59] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[10:59] <knome> bugs should be filed against the specific projects
[10:59] <brainwash> or via cli "ubuntu-bug <package>"
[11:02] <jphilips> so which package is the shortcuts in so i can file the bug for the broken super + d shortcut
[11:03] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings probably
[11:03] <jphilips> thanks
[11:05] <jphilips> its would be nice to have a central bug reporting place like xfce
[11:05] <jphilips> it* would
[11:06] <knome> even in the xfce bugzilla you will have to select the product/project/app
[11:07] <jphilips> quite easy to do that
[11:08] <jphilips> its filed, can anyway confirm - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1866537
[12:12] <jphilips> knome: 19.10 press is done - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qenHqnop4DWne2DsX5nPgaN7xdJLzL6etb0gfBGL6fk/edit#heading=h.pwohkmbiulx1
[15:31] <jphilips> brainwash: did you get to see my proposal for a welcome app - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-February/011866.html
[16:05] <jphilips> ochosi: when do you plan to announce the winners of the wallpaper contest. i see ubuntu studio announced theirs yesterday
[16:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> jphilips: We started ours (Ubuntu Studio) much earlier.
[16:06] <jphilips> Eickmeyer[m]: how long did it run for?
[16:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> jphilips: One month.
[16:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> ochosi might be doing it differently though. Can't use other team's methods as benchmarks.
[16:08] <knome> our contest is ran by a wordpress plugin that handles the submissions and voting, so there will be no overhead time used to move stuff around once we've closed submissions
[16:09] <jphilips> okay i see the announcement says that winners will be announced at the end of the month
[16:10] <jphilips> Eickmeyer[m]: was watching popey the other day look over ubuntu studio
[16:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> jphilips: I saw it afterwards. Sadly, it pointed out to me that I hadn't updated the default settings even though I thought I had. :D
[16:13] <jphilips> thats why we love testers :D
[16:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Indeed. :D
[16:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> I would've caught it eventually, but I felt like a total bot in that moment. :D
[16:19] <jphilips> Eickmeyer[m]: let me know if you want me to kick the tires of it at any point
[16:27] <jphilips> knome: 19.04 reviews added to the doc
[16:37] <brainwash> jphilips: I still don't know if a welcome app is necessary. in any case, it's not very likely that one would make it into 20.04 (but I may be wrong).
[16:37] <knome> no way one will make it to 20.04
[16:38] <knome> maybe a point release, but not sure how pointless (no pun intended) that would be
[16:39] <jphilips> brainwash: if most distros are doing it, there must be a benefit of it for new users. maybe some new contributors may stop by because of it.
[16:43] <brainwash> does stock ubuntu do it?
[16:43] <knome> tbh, that's bad argumentation
[16:43] <knome> "because everybody else does it, it must be good"
[16:44] <knome> also, while i think this could be definitely beneficial for some users, i don't think it's a tool (that should be used) for contributor luring
[16:46] <brainwash> don't the installer slides already inform about those things?
[16:47] <knome> yep
[16:48] <knome> we don't have any data on how many people actually sit on front of the screen looking at that though
[16:48] <brainwash> in any case, "someone" would have to work on that welcome app, then it could be tested
[16:48] <knome> yep
[17:01] <jphilips> brainwash: yes stock does as well
[17:02] <jphilips> but i think its more of a first start setup or something like that
[17:03] <jphilips> about the installer slides, yes that definitely might be helpful but not everyone will notice them or know that the underline text on the slides are clickable
[17:03] <brainwash> a brief tutorial?
[17:05] <brainwash> https://www.linuxbabe.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/upgrade-ubuntu-17.04-to-18.04-command-line.png
[17:07] <jphilips> found it https://youtu.be/YOUwdhNbHtk?t=1409
[17:07] <jphilips> was watching popey
[17:08] <jphilips> but yes that 'what's new in ubuntu' would be another example of ubuntu introducing users to itself
[17:09] <jphilips> guess i should download and install 18.04 to see what different slides are in the what's new dialog
[17:10] <jphilips> guess for users who are upgrading from unity to then get the shock of gnome, you'd definitely need a what's new dialog
[17:11] <jphilips> okay found it - https://youtu.be/ONXfL6evR0Q?t=69
[17:13] <jphilips> guess its the same as popey's accept for the first slide
[17:14] <jphilips> if you look in popey's video it says in the top bar 'Welcome to Ubuntu' but the CSD top bar says 'Online Accounts' which confused me till now
[21:36] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-power-manager 1.6.6 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-power-manager-1-6-6-released-tp57659.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[21:40] <ochosi> JackFrost: since it's just bugfix i guess this is still ok to go into 20.04? ^
[21:41] <JackFrost> We're behind with a few releases actually, but I'd think so (not having seen the changelog yet.)
[21:43] <ochosi> it's rather short :)
[21:43] <ochosi> really? where are we at?
[21:44] <ochosi> and why
[21:44] <ochosi> oh, we're at 1.6.5, that's alright
[21:44] <ochosi> or what did you mean exactly?
[21:45] <ochosi> (or did you refer to my comment in the other channel?)
[21:49] <JackFrost> -settings and -session I think are also behind, with others (listed on xfce414.html page.)
[21:50] <ochosi> i was considering doing another for settings and panel
[21:54] <JackFrost> xfburn, clipman, -settings, -session.
[21:55] <ochosi> could we get the latter three updated at least?
[21:59] <ochosi> (if i promise to take care of statusnotifier)
[22:01] <JackFrost> Heh, it's the last two I don't like touching. :P
[22:01] <JackFrost> Specifically, session.
[22:03] <ochosi> really? why?
[22:03] <ochosi> it's not exactly containing invasive changes
[22:03] <ochosi> ("fix crash at logout" sounds re-assuring, no? :))
[22:07] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin 0.2.2 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin-0-2-2-released-tp57661.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[22:39] <JackFrost> :o
[22:39] <JackFrost> ochosi: There just seems like a lot of cruft in the packaging bit, upstart leftovers that we didn't add.
[22:40] <ochosi> oh
[22:40] <ochosi> right, i'm obviously not aware of the packaging part
[22:42] <JackFrost> And run-systemd-session was never my favorite. :3
[22:42] <JackFrost> (Bottom of http://deriv.debian.net/Ubuntu/patches/x/xfce4-session/xfce4-session_4.13.1-2_xfce4-session_4.13.2-0ubuntu1.debian.patch)
[22:44] <ochosi> not much i can do to help there i guess
[22:45] <JackFrost> Nope, never said it was your fault. :D
[22:45] <JackFrost> ...But if it makes you feel better I guess we could blame you..?
[22:45] <ochosi> haha
[22:45] <ochosi> rather not
[22:45] <ochosi> i just hope all the work i put into doing 4.14 patch releases ends up in the distro i use :>
[22:46] <ochosi> (i think compared to 4.12 we're doing a pretty great job already)
[22:47] <ochosi> (or 4.10)
[22:49] <JackFrost> Doing -settings now.
[22:51] <ochosi> \o/
[22:51] <JackFrost> Done.
[22:52] <ochosi> oh also - xfdesktop
[22:52] <ochosi> we're still on 4.14.1 in focal
[22:54] <JackFrost> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/4.14.2-1?
[22:54] <JackFrost> !info xfdesktop4 focal
[22:54] <ochosi> ok weird, my bad
[22:55] <JackFrost> https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce414.html
[22:55] <ochosi> somehow packages.ubuntu tricked me (i guess i forgot to reset the dropdown for the distro version one time)
[22:55] <JackFrost> Ah, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/SOURCEPACKAGE is a better view.
[22:56] <JackFrost> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wealias/ : alias = uts,  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/%s
[22:56] <JackFrost> alias = pts,  https://packages.qa.debian.org/%s
[22:56] <JackFrost> alias = npts,  https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/%s
[22:56] <ochosi> mm, nice
[22:57] <ochosi> woot, debian already switched to a few 4.15 releases??
[22:58] <ochosi> (i guess this is exp)
[22:58] <ochosi> (not testing)
[22:58] <JackFrost> Experimental, indeed.
[22:59] <ochosi> alrighty, time to call it a night..
[22:59] <ochosi> thanks for picking up settings, xfpm, statusnotifier and clipman!
[22:59] <ochosi> ;D
[23:01] <JackFrost> I'm actually looking at xfburn. :P


[10:15] <overrider> i have about 10 machines running the same version of ubuntu 10.04LTS, quite easy to administer; now i am replacing one of them with new hardware. Put 12.04LTS on it, or stick with 10.04LTS for its quite nice to have all machines sort of in sync configuration wise...?
[10:40] <overrider> ah well
[12:12] <hallyn> stgraber: hey, was playing with lp:~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/quantal/lxc/lxc-qp, which has a patch to look for 'lxc.autodev = 1', and if that's found create a bare /dev.  Basically works, except the list of devices is not complete - upstart is failing
[12:14]  * hallyn out
[12:21] <stgraber> hallyn: ok. Another way of doing it would be to iterate through the host's /dev and copy any entry that matches what we have in the device cgroup config
[12:21] <stgraber> that should be the providing everything the container needs without copying all of /dev in the process
[12:21] <stgraber> not sure how easy it'd be to implement this though
[12:23]  * stgraber -> out
[12:30] <hallyn> stgraber: i take that back - the container is booting fine.  i just lose track of the consoles.  will have to figure out why later
[14:10] <Aison> this bug is really bad :(  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1071928
[14:10] <Aison> my whole dhcp is no longer working :(
[15:08] <hackeron> hey, I have an issue with ubuntu 12.04 running under xen - when I try to start rsyslogd, it just hangs and doesn't respond to anything except kill -9 - I tried to run it in debug mode with rsyslogd -f /etc/rsyslog.conf -c5 -dn -- it then starts logging just fine, but if I remove the -d option, it freezes again :/ - any ideas how to debug or what could be causing this?
[15:20] <koolhead17> party time!!!
[18:09] <storrgie> I'm running a couple 12.04 servers and I noted recently that my Linode (which is 12.04) is on kernel 3.5.2 where as the ones I manage and let update from official sources are on 3.2.0. Am I not updating properly?
[18:18] <patdk-lap> storrgie, linode and other vps providers are not real servers
[18:19] <patdk-lap> therefor you can't depend on anything matching or working the same
[18:47] <maxb> They're not *physical* servers. They're quite real in the sense that they will serve things
[19:21] <IanWizard-Cloud> I'm trying to setup Dovecot, and I've gone through, and gotten it all setup, and when I start it, it doesn't open any ports.  No errors, nothing in logs, it just says that it started.  It is running, but doesn't open any ports.
[19:37] <guntbert> IanWizard-Cloud: was there a tutorial you followed? did you seehttps://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/dovecot-server.html ?
[19:37] <guntbert> oops https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/dovecot-server.html
[19:48] <RoyK> !dovecot
[19:48] <RoyK> !email-server
[19:49] <RoyK> !mail-server
[19:49] <RoyK> !dovecot-imapd
[19:49] <guntbert> !mailserver
[19:50] <guntbert> RoyK: thats exactly where I already pointed him to :)
[19:57] <IanWizard-Cloud> guntbert: I followed the guide on the dovecot wiki.  I'll go through this though.  I like to think I'm competent enough to get it working, but I'm being proven wrong quickly :P
[19:58] <guntbert> IanWizard-Cloud: I didn't doubt your competence :) - but its easier if we have a common page to check against - and the one from server guide always worked for me
[20:53] <IanWizard-Cloud> guntbert: would you believe, I only had the core installed, not the actual imap / pop daemons?
[20:53]  * IanWizard-Cloud <ashamed>
[21:03] <IanWizard-Cloud> ugh, I feel so stupid.  Anyway, thanks guntbert :)
[21:10] <guntbert> IanWizard-Cloud: no worries - thats what guides are for :) - glad you got it working!
[21:35] <Guest51565> does anybody know how to configure lamp
[21:36] <[conrad]> Guest51565: http://ubuntuserverguide.com/2012/05/how-to-install-lamp-server-in-ubuntu-server-12-04-lts.html , http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-apache2-with-php5-and-mysql-support-on-ubuntu-12.04-lts-lamp
[21:36] <Guest51565> does that say how to use it to
[21:38] <[conrad]> Guest51565: You'd have to better define "how to use it" for me to provide a better response, but ultimately full coverage of all the functionality for the respective software is available in their online docs.
[21:38] <maxb> LAMP is so many things that asking how to configure 'it' is a question that cannot be answered in anything should of a book
[21:39] <Guest51565> im talking about the languages does it walk you through where they should be installed
[21:41] <[conrad]> Guest51565: Not quite sure I follow. The links ( especially the second ) literally provide step-by-step instructions for the installation.
[21:41] <IanWizard-Cloud> maxb: it varies by "language".  You can usually just install them from the repos and be fine.  I'm sure both links above cover that.
[21:44] <Guest51565> what about the directories does it define where you put the distinct  files
[21:45] <maxb> Guest51565: You seem to be approaching this with some odd preconceptions, on Ubuntu most software is packaged and you don't need to think about where to put files when installing it
[21:51] <Guest51565> no not when installing it i mean when thr packages are installed like where to put the files to display a page on html or php
[21:54] <Zanzacar> does anyone know how to access a svn repository from outside your home network? I tried #svn but didn't get a response
[21:55] <Zanzacar> been looking around online and haven't found anything specifically
[22:00] <cocoa117>  how do u make ubuntu go to sleep when idled?
[22:05] <maxb> Zanzacar: It's really really easy if you already have a ssh server running/accessible - do you?
[22:40] <Zanzacar> maxb: yes I do
[22:42] <Zanzacar> maxb:  I wanted to use netbeans to access everything so I managed to do the http version via netbeans but I need to figure it out for connections outside my home


[15:53] <eightnoteight> hello everyone,
[15:53] <eightnoteight> i'm good at python, and i want to contribute to ubuntu-gnome,
[15:54] <eightnoteight> can anyone give me some pointers?


[20:04] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Earlier when you helped sponsor python--etcd3gw, you fixed a runtime-test-file-uses-supported-python-versions-without-test-depends Lintian gripe and mentioned that the lack of the python3-all test dependency was a violation of Debian policy. Where exactly is that in the manual? I'm having a hard time finding it.
[20:05] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Any time lintian gripes about something with a warning, look at lintian-explain-warnings for that tag. That will tell you where to find it.
[20:05] <arraybolt3> It doesn't tell me anything about Debian policy.
[20:05] <Eickmeyer> s/lintian-explain-warnings/lintian-explain-tags
[20:06] <arraybolt3> It does tell me what the issue is and how to fix it, but not a policy manual section or even a reference to the manual.
[20:06] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Any time it's a warning in lintian, it's a policy violation. It merely needs to be cited there.
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> Warnings in lintian don't mean there's a package build issue or that there's something functionally wrong, just that something *should* happen that's not happening.
[20:07] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer
[20:07] <arraybolt3> oops
[20:07] <arraybolt3> hit enter rather than colon
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> heh
[20:08] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Are you sure all legitimate Lintian warnings are policy violations? I don't even see where the policy manual mentions autopkgtests at all. The Python Policy doesn't mention them either. Without a section to cite, I can't report the bug as being "serious".
[20:09] <arraybolt3> gah, Debian's "search" feature for the policy manual *stinks*
[20:10] <arraybolt3> I guess it's just a package relationship though since it's a "depends" in a control file (though not *the* control file).
[20:10] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: You might have to search through the Debian Python Packaging manual for exactly where it's covered. I honestly think it's a bit of a bug in lintian that it doesn't cite an entry in the manual (it usually does) but if it's throwing a warning, it needs to be fixed, full-stop.
[20:10] <arraybolt3> Agreed.
[20:11] <arraybolt3> I'm not arguing about fixing it, I'm just trying to find where the manual says something so I have a value to punch in when reportbug asks me for it.
[20:11] <arraybolt3> (It actually makes you cite a section of the manual when reporting a policy violation, which on the one hand makes sense, and on the other hand is a bit frustrating :P)
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> You might just have to copy-paste the line from lintian-explain-tags. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> s/line/lines/
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> Either way, they shouldn't ignore it as ignoring warnings is policy violation in and of itself.
[20:13] <arraybolt3> I think I'll use 7.2, "The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package is required for the depending package to provide a significant amount of functionality." I think that's the policy that's being mentioned.
[20:13] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Agreed.
[20:13] <Eickmeyer> 7.2 is close enough.
[20:13] <arraybolt3> hmm, but that's a  "should", not a must...
[20:13]  * arraybolt3 continues hunting
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> That said, this is more specifically *Python Packaging* policy than the overall *Debian Packaging* policy.
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> There is a whole section on Python Packaging.
[20:14] <arraybolt3> yeah, I'm grepping through it
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: should vs must is the difference between warning and error.
[20:16] <arraybolt3> right, which is the difference between severity "serious" and severity "normal". I'm splitting hairs at this point trying to get things perfect :P normally I would just be like "meh, close enough", slap "normal" on there and cite the manual section, but I'm trying to do this exactly right since I'm aiming for MOTU :P
[20:16] <arraybolt3> really I should just proceed with normal
[20:16] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: I'd throw "serious" on it because ignoring a warning in and of itself is a policy violation.
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> At minimum, they should have a lintian override with an explanation.
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> But they don't, and it's an easily fixed warning.
[20:19] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: I can't see where ignoring a Lintian warning is a policy violation at all. I even found a full PDF of the latest version of the manual that's super easy to search through - searching for "lintian" and "warning" doesn't show anything about it.
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Ok, I'll give you that, but we all know that there's a warning and that it's not being overridden and it's easily fixed. So where does that land? Do we let it slide? Also, we know that everything in lintian is policy (except pedantic and experimental), right?
[20:20] <arraybolt3> and of course Debian has taken everything related to Lintian documentation, put it in a box, and shaken it vigorously, so now lintian.debian.org is down permanently and now I can't find the user manual for it :P
[20:21] <Eickmeyer> man lintian :P
[20:21] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Of course we don't let it slide. But I don't want to specify bug severity "serious", cite something in the manual that doesn't exist, and then get told not do to that :P
[20:22] <Eickmeyer> DESCRIPTION: Lintian dissects Debian packages and reports bugs and policy violations.
[20:22] <arraybolt3> If the severity is "normal" despite the fact that we'd like it to be "serious", we probably should just live with that and call it "normal" IMO. ("serious" is a release-critical severity, so I can see why the docs would make it not so easy to assign that severity.)
[20:22] <Eickmeyer> If you think it should be normal, go with normal.
[20:23] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: well yes, man lintian will work, I was just looking for something I had seen in the online docs before.
[20:23] <arraybolt3> anyway, sorry to bother you, thanks for your help :)
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: No problem. BTW, other examples for the same bug use "normal" so go ahead with normal.
[20:25] <arraybolt3> +1
[20:26] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: See Debian bug 955799
[20:26] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 955799 in lintian "lintian: misfired runtime-test-file-uses-supported-python-versions-without-python-all-build-depends" [Normal, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/955799
[20:26] <arraybolt3> perfect
[21:28] <pconst167> hi
[21:34] <arraybolt3> Silly question, but is there a reason that there's not a "produce-merge" utility in ubuntu-dev-tools? It would be mighty handy to be able to have a local tool for doing the equivalent of a Merge-O-Matic merge even if MoM hasn't picked up the packages that need merging.
[21:34] <arraybolt3> hmm, I answered my own question
[21:35] <arraybolt3> MoM doesn't pick up packages that have no base version, and you need a base version to do a merge at all, so nvm
[21:35]  * arraybolt3 shuffles off to fight with a package manually
[22:23] <mkukri> arent everyone doing merges in git-ubuntu now? ;)
[22:29] <tsimonq2> mkukri: I mean, Lubuntu has our own lightweight non-orig Git approach, and some people just prefer pull-lp-source/apt source/dget. :P
[22:30] <tsimonq2> Honestly though, I find myself using it a lot more. It's debatably faster than pull-lp-source, depending on whether Launchpad had enough sleep the night before.
[23:24] <arraybolt3> Anyone have a copy of britney-indexes-ppa they can shoot me? wget http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/scripts/britney-indexes-ppa is giving me a 403 Forbidden, and I'm instructed to download that file by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/LocalSetup.
[23:24] <arraybolt3> (assuming it has no sensitive contents that is)
[23:32] <arraybolt3> bdmurray: ^ (someone suggested you might know the answer to this)


[07:11] <mint> siemaaa
[07:12] <mint> f91-90.icpnet.pl
[08:34] <rioting_pacifist> If something is already packaged in neon, is it just a matter of time for it to be picked up in Debian -> Ubuntu or is it worth logging a request?
[08:34] <rioting_pacifist> If so where are packaging requests logged Debian or Ubuntu?
[08:42] <xingwozhonghua__> Kubuntu can not be installed in vMware,  21.10 & 20.04-3
[08:43] <xingwozhonghua__> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8k6eRn2o/2022-02-24_16-43.png
[09:06] <xingwozhonghua__> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uL27CQYk/2022-02-24_17-05.png
[12:10] <ibeeeng> hi
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:09] <maks> miau
 A q N Z
 5RL5
 I want to know the steps to run a c program in kubuntu
[17:51] <babylard1> how are yall
[17:51] <Maik> hi babylard1
[17:52] <babylard1> hi
[17:52] <Maik> if you have a kubuntu support question just ask and wait for someone to respond, casual talk is in #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:53] <babylard1> oke
 "<Oov> I want to know the steps..." <- Compile it to a binary, then run it (depending on the code compiling it may require figuring out and installing it's dependencies)
 how to use kate and gcc?
 I'm new in kubuntu
[19:47] <valorie> @Oov - how did you want to use gcc?
[19:48] <valorie> !gcc
 Thank u


[13:30] <scott-work> it looks like REVU is still down :(   i want to get the -lowlatency kernel into it :|
[13:48] <astraljava> Probably you meant to say this on our channel, but anyway, I asked for you on #-motu.
[14:08] <scott-work> doh!
[16:01] <astraljava> Hey do you guys have an app that would work as a front-end to gmail calendar? Or can you make orage to do that, somehow?
[16:28] <micahg> astraljava: xul-ext-lightning?
[16:33] <astraljava> micahg: Thanks!
[16:33] <astraljava> $ sudo apt-get install xul-ext-lightning
[16:33] <astraljava> Suggested packages: latex-xft-fonts
[16:33] <astraljava> $ apt-cache show latex-xft-fonts
[16:33] <astraljava> N: Can't select versions from package 'latex-xft-fonts' as it is purely virtual
[16:33] <astraljava> N: No packages found
[16:34] <micahg> astraljava: ah, we might have to remove that
[16:35] <astraljava> micahg: Yep.
[16:36] <micahg> astraljava: can you file a bug to track it please?
[16:36] <astraljava> micahg: Yes of course.
[16:37] <micahg> thanks
[16:39] <micahg> madnick: you have a webkit greeter in precise: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/lightdm-webkit-greeter/0.1.2-0ubuntu1
[16:39] <micahg> although I'd still prefer a GTK one...
[16:41] <astraljava> micahg: bug #917743
[17:29] <astraljava> Has anyone actually managed to change T-bird opening links to something else than F-fox?
[17:31] <micahg> does that still not work?
[17:32] <micahg> I thought we fixed preferred applications setting the default in gsettinsg
[17:32] <micahg> *gsettings
[17:37] <astraljava> micahg: At least I am not sure how it was supposed to work. Just adding x-www-browser in config editor wasn't enough. Turning warnings on finally gave me the chance to change it, though.
[17:38] <micahg> astraljava: x-www-browser is deprecated
[17:39] <astraljava> micahg: Hmm? It is available in update-alternatives, and is linked to /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser. What will replace it, then?
[17:40] <micahg> the browser preference in the DE
[17:40] <astraljava> micahg: Ahh... gotcha. It just doesn't seem to stick on this one.
[17:40] <micahg> which might be a bug in it
[17:41] <astraljava> Could be. I just never recall whether I had changed it or not when I rebooted. Now I changed it, so I will try to remember and check it after I need a reboot.
[17:42] <micahg> astraljava: please file a bug against xfce4-settings-manager
[17:42] <micahg> if it doesn't work that is :)
[17:42] <astraljava> micahg: I will, after I verify that.
[17:43] <micahg> thanks
[17:58] <astraljava> Bah, no 24h view. :)
[20:29] <micahg> hmm, there should be a setting for that
[20:32] <astraljava> micahg: Let me know how to find it, if you can. I think I browsed through all the settings. Author is probably british/american, though. :)
[20:35] <micahg> indeed :(, certainly worth a wishlist request
[20:37] <astraljava> I'll see if I get _that_ bothered. :)
[23:38]  * micahg cries: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-January/008115.html
[23:38] <knome> exact reason?
[23:39] <knome> the schedule, or the new version numbering?
[23:39] <micahg> version numbering, we figured the schedule was hopeless
[23:39] <knome> heh
[23:41] <knome> i think it's a bit awkward too
[23:41] <knome> but hey, it's their projecct
[23:41] <knome> -c
[23:41] <knome> (and they host the shimmer project site, so ssshhh)
[23:41] <knome> ;)
[23:41] <ochosi> oh lord
[23:42] <knome> hehe
[23:42] <knome> hey ochosi
[23:42] <ochosi> but you read the release-date in the blog-post by sarts, no? ^^
[23:42] <astraljava> Hey, it said 1st of April. It's an April Fools, right?
[23:42] <ochosi> hey knome
[23:42] <micahg> hmm...maybe :)
[23:42] <knome> right, but it's not april 1 NOW
[23:42] <astraljava> Oh, dangit.
[23:43] <ochosi> knome: yes, but this is an even not so subtle hint to irony/sarcasm
[23:43] <knome> :P
[23:43] <micahg> this sounds like an april fools joke though
[23:43] <ochosi> well it is
[23:43] <knome> maybe they've just backed themselves up
[23:43] <knome> "if people hate it, let's just call it april fools" :P
[23:43] <ochosi> lol
[23:44] <ochosi> yeah, i think that the versioning scheme discussion really got out of hand
[23:44] <knome> mmh
[23:44] <ochosi> so stephan's reaction was really understandable (and really funny if you followed the discussion)
[23:44] <knome> any reasonable packaging systems know that 4.10 > 4.8 anyway
[23:44] <knome> haven't really followed it
[23:45] <micahg> ochosi: where was the discussion?
[23:45] <ochosi> #xfce-dev
[23:45] <ochosi> actually it also took place on the ml a while ago iirc
[23:45] <astraljava> "Olivier Fourdan argued [...], nobody uses the hexadecimal system for version-numbers, that is silly." - I'm sure Olivier is happy now.
[23:46] <micahg> astraljava: no, just destruct sequences
[23:50] <astraljava> On another note, what to do with a CD that I want to rip (no warez!), the first track of which is shown to being 38.4MB on the disk, but when copied to hard drive, is suddenly 58.3MB? No ripper software seems to handle this correctly.
[23:50] <ochosi> astraljava: maybe a problem with the drive?
[23:50] <astraljava> The CD in question is Mastodon - Crack the Skye, if it makes a difference.
[23:50] <ochosi> (or an old cd?)
[23:50] <astraljava> ochosi: Nope, neither.
[23:51] <knome> astraljava, did you try CLI tools?
[23:51] <astraljava> I've just ripped tens of CDs, and all the others were just fine.  :D
[23:56] <knome> lol. no, won't work out
[23:56] <knome> too far
[23:57] <astraljava> "The seven songs on Crack the Skye stretch over about 50 minutes, an indulgent track-length average for any band not named Opeth."
[23:58] <knome> hah.