[00:04] <Sven_vB> sorry for the delay. also thanks for the impossibility info.
[00:10] <Sven_vB> ok I found a spare x86_64 box with xenial that I can use as the host. :) which VM would be good then?
[00:13]  * Sven_vB goes read about VirtualBox
[00:16] <tonyt> besides vbox i think there is a freee version of vmware player
[00:16] <tonyt> Sven_vB
[00:17] <Sven_vB> is VMWare better?
[00:18] <tomreyn> there's also a free version of qemu-kvm
[00:20] <tonyt> Sven_vB: im not sure which is better between vbox or vmware. ive used both and i prefeer vmware player. jst menitoned it as an option you can look in to
[00:22] <Sven_vB> ok thanks!
[00:38] <acoltov123> hi
[01:00] <aleksandrdvorkin> trying to compile vlc on ubuntu 19-10 but ./bootstrap fails
[01:00] <aleksandrdvorkin> saying that gettext tools might be missing or out of date
[01:01] <aleksandrdvorkin> but sudo apt-get install gettext says gettext is already newest
[01:39] <Sven_vB> maybe gettext tools is a separate package
[01:39] <Sven_vB> aleksandrdvorkin, ^
[01:42] <magic_ninja_work> tomreyn, you still around? Turns out powertop is toggling power management flags on things and causing them to use more power. I turned off powertop's management for my wifi and my usage went down quite a bit.
[01:42] <magic_ninja_work> I would like to get it below 10W, but I don't know if that is going to happen without switching off my nvidia card completely.
[01:49] <aleksandrdvorkin> Sven_vB the gettext is the only package available
[01:52] <tomreyn> magic_ninja_work: probably not, 10W is pretty low for running with dedicated graphics card
[01:54] <tomreyn> if your battery is some years old, you may want to consider a replacement
[01:55] <magic_ninja_work> tomreyn, yea. Before the new drivers, with the dedicated GPU switched off, I could get it down around 4-8W and have a nice 8-10 hour battery life.
[01:55] <magic_ninja_work> I can always do that again if I find myself in the situation. Rebooting is just a PITA
[01:55] <magic_ninja_work> I just wanted to let you know there in case you run into it, have them disable the power management settings in powertop.
[01:56] <tomreyn> thanks
[01:57] <magic_ninja_work> Also, yea, you are correct on the battery. It is down at 72%, so I would expect its useful life to decrease down to around 30% pretty quickly now.
[01:57] <magic_ninja_work> *charge capacity.
[01:57] <magic_ninja_work> That being said, I can still get around 5 hours battery life on a full charge. That is livable. Hopefully it gets me through another year.
[02:03] <rr123> my apaches run under www-data.www-data, if my cgi scripts needs root permission(e.g. restart the machine), is this doable other than giving www-data the root permission(then what's the point of www-data), the question is, will all cgi-bin's permission limited by www-data(same as apache)
[02:36] <ArthurStrong> Hi all. I want to boot from USB flash AND mount this flash as r/w partition, so I can save files, etc. Which will be available after reboot. What should I do?
[06:07] <aberrant> hi all.
[06:07] <aberrant> I've installed 19.10 on my RPi4 but notice that packages that are available for 19.04 aren't (yet?) available for 19.10. Can I use them by adding a source?
[06:07] <aberrant> or is it best to just wait?
[06:08] <ayew> from official repos or ppas?
[06:08] <aberrant> official repos, I guess
[06:08] <aberrant> slurm-client is the thing I need.
[06:09] <aberrant> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&keywords=slurm-client&searchon=names
[06:09] <ayew> you can just install that package from xenial and not have your system use xenial repos for everything
[06:09] <ayew> using pins
[06:09] <aberrant> ayew: thanks. How do I do that?
[06:10] <aberrant> I'd rather install it from disco, since that's closer to my version?
[06:10] <ayew> oh sorry, disco
[06:10] <aberrant> ok, good. That means I sort of understand :) How do I do that?
[06:11] <aberrant> is there a way to fall back to disco if the eoan packages aren;t avaialble?
[06:11] <ayew> first you would just add the 19.04  stable repo as normal to /etc/apt/sources.list (dont replace the 19.10 ones)
[06:12] <ayew> then in /etc/apt/preferences you would add something like: https://hastebin.com/operecifog.http
[06:13] <ayew> probably best you read the docs here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[06:13] <aberrant> ah, thanks. ok
[06:13] <ayew> as my knowledge of more advanced apt stuff and pinning is from debian
[06:15] <aberrant> I wonder if there's an easy way to say, "try eoan first, then fall back to disco"
[06:16] <aberrant> "1
[06:16] <aberrant> If multiple repositories provide the exact same version of a package, then apt uses the repository that comes first in the sources.list as the first choice and the others for fallback."
[06:17] <ayew> with using pin-priority, you can simply set eoan as a high priority than disco
[06:17] <ayew> but higher than local (100)
[07:35] <vlt> Hello. Is there an easier way to rotate an image while keeping the original size using netpbm than first apply pnmrotate and then pnmcut using half of the difference between new and old width and height as its -left and -top parameters? Did I miss the tool that does exactly that?
[07:37] <tarzeau> vlt: there's exiftran with -ai options to autorotate ?
[07:37] <borw3> Hello, guys how is wine on 19.10? everything working?
[07:38] <vlt> tarzeau: Sorry, I was not very clear: I need to rotate arbitrary float angles.
[07:40] <tarzeau> vlt: ah i see
[07:41] <borw3> Hello, how do people survive post 19.04 without snapd, when chromium is installed as a snap, even if you use apt-get?
[07:43] <ayew> well, you can use firefox if you want, or accept having snapd.
[07:43] <ayew> theres already other software thats only available as a snap
[07:44] <ayew> snapd is preinstalled in ubuntu anyway isnt it?
[07:45] <borw3> Yeah, but it isn't exactly pretty to look at.
[07:46] <ayew> well, you could install ungoogled-chromium-debian
[07:46] <ayew> which is available as a deb
[07:47] <borw3> ooh, yeah
[07:47] <vlt> tarzeau: pnmrotate does the job very well but the way it's written it increases the "canvas" size to not cut off any image information. In my case I want that.
[08:21] <tarzeau> borw3: i use my own builds of chromium </telepathy>
[08:43] <HenryCH> tomreyn: thanks for your reply yesterday
[09:14] <hexoroid> i have a question i can access my webserver from http://<IP_ADDRESS>/hello.txt local but when i go to my other machine it keeps telling me its not found
[09:18] <lupulo> hexoroid: what do you mean webserver? apache?
[09:19] <hexoroid> yes
[09:19] <hexoroid> i can access it fine if i am on local machine but when i try from my windowsw machine i can not access the folder http://<IP_ADDRESS>/owncloud in this case
[09:20] <Ben64> what exactly does it say
[09:20] <hexoroid> it says not found
[09:21] <geekPanther> Firefox on X-forwarding is very slow. What can I do to fix it?
[09:21] <hexoroid> if i go straight to the ip addresss <IP_ADDRESS> its asking me for l/p but i created hello.txt and i try to go to it.. and it tells me not found
[09:21] <Ben64> hexoroid: that's exactly what it says?
[09:21] <lowbro> Hello. When will Ubuntu 18.04 have the latest PHP 7.2 patch?
[09:21] <lupulo> hexoroid: try mod_dav
[09:21] <hexoroid> in sites enabled documentroot var/www/html is there
[09:22] <lupulo> hexoroid: https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Apache-WebDAV-LDAP-HOWTO/config-webdav.html
[09:22] <mexx> hello, i'm running 19.10 on a dell latitude 7480 and upgraded system firmware to <IP_ADDRESS> but now the laptop screen is dim
[09:23] <hexoroid> ok ill try to enable sudo a2enmod dav
[09:29] <vlt> geekPanther: When LibreOffice and Firefox became unbearably slow over remote X (around 2016) we switched from LTSP to xrdp.
[09:32] <mexx> ok forget it, it was just the power settings
[10:00] <fairuz> Good day good people
[10:01] <Milkshake> fairuz: wow you look happy today.
[10:01] <fairuz> Milkshake heh not really, just trying to give good vibes to other people
[10:06] <fairuz> I want to upgrade my current PHP 7.3.9 to PHP 7.3.11. When I did apt upgrade, it did say it will upgrade some other things. Is it safe to just upgrade everything? Safe as in not breaking anything.
[10:06] <fairuz> thanks
[10:08] <lupulo> fairuz: that depends of the function for your php scripts, you should see the changelog of php 7.3.11
[10:09] <lupulo> fairuz: why do you want to update?
[10:11] <fairuz> lupulo I mean other than php packages. Like this paste https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gx56wgd3JF/
[10:11] <fairuz> lupulo https://www.zdnet.com/article/nasty-php7-remote-code-execution-bug-exploited-in-the-wild/
[10:12] <fairuz> because of this ^^
[10:13] <yeats> fairuz: ubuntu is pretty quick with security updates for CVEs - I would wait a day or two to see what comes down - watch this for updates: https://usn.ubuntu.com/
[10:13] <yeats> fairuz: also an email list you can subscribe to
[10:15] <yeats> fairuz: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2019/CVE-2019-11043.html
[10:15] <lowbro> fairuz: I updated everything and nothing broke. But PHP did not get the patch. I believe Ubuntu needs some more time until you can upgrade for that patch
[10:17] <lupulo> fairuz: if you are interested at that you should try another distro as gentoo or archlinux
[10:18] <lupulo> fairuz: see one example https://www.gentoo.org/support/security/
[10:19] <yeats> fairuz: https://lab.wallarm.com/php-remote-code-execution-0-day-discovered-in-real-world-ctf-exercise/ includes mitigation instructions you might be able to apply until the official fixes are pushed into the repos
[10:35] <fairuz> yeats lowbro lupulo thanks for the suggestions
[10:36] <fairuz> lowbro btw, something I don't understand about your statement, from the links that yeats provide, it seems the CVE has been fixed in PHP 7.3.11. I wonder why you say PHP doesn't get the patch.
[10:38] <FenixArmitage> hi everyone, I need some help
[10:39] <lowbro> fairuz: it is not yet in the ubuntu repositories, so you won't get it on ubuntu until they add it
[10:39] <FenixArmitage> I have a C731 Acer Chromebook that I installed Ubuntu Budgie on and the sound isn't working
[10:39] <FenixArmitage> it's weird because I had Unity on it before switching to Budgie and the sound was fine
[10:39] <FenixArmitage> can anyone help?
[10:43] <mgedmin> FenixArmitage: have you played with sound preferences?  selected the right output sink, unmuted etc?
[10:44] <FenixArmitage> mgedmin it won't even recognise my sound card
[10:44] <FenixArmitage> all I have is dummy output
[10:44] <mgedmin> ah! interesting, but you said it worked before?
[10:45] <FenixArmitage> it worked with unity right out of the box
[10:45] <FenixArmitage> it's just Budgie that's the problem
[10:45] <mgedmin> sound card detection should depend on kernel version rather than on desktop environment
[10:45] <FenixArmitage> what terminal command do I use to update to latest kernel?
[10:46] <mgedmin> apt upgrade
[10:47] <FenixArmitage> The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:  libsbc1Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove it.0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.
[10:48] <FenixArmitage> that's the output I got. Ran apt autoremove
[10:48] <mgedmin> when you said the sound card was working in "unity", do you happen to know what ubuntu version that was?
[10:49] <FenixArmitage> 19.10 I think. I wasn't using LTS I just updated to the latest version
[10:50] <fairuz> lowbro ah ok, I've misunderstood DNE as done or released. My mistake.
[10:50] <fairuz> :)
[10:51] <tadhg> anybody know how to restore iptables and ufw rules to out-of-the-box defaults ? i think i've butchered them
[10:52] <FenixArmitage> mgedmin I found a guide that told me to muck about with Alsa but even that won't recognise my sound card
[10:55] <mgedmin> FenixArmitage: what's your current budgie version?
[10:56] <FenixArmitage> 18.04 LTS
[10:57] <FenixArmitage> I thought I downloaded 19.10 but I guess I was wrong
[10:57] <mgedmin> that might explain it
[10:58] <mgedmin> now ubuntu LTS releases have these hardware enablement kernels
[10:58] <mgedmin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[10:58] <FenixArmitage> ok so how do I upgrade to 19.10?
[10:58] <mgedmin> I don't know how Budgie does things, you might need to search for their IRC channels
[10:58] <FenixArmitage> their IRC channel told me to come here :P
[10:58] <mgedmin> but on stock ubuntu it would be apt install linux-generic-hwe-19.10 xserver-xorg-hwe-19.10
[10:59] <mgedmin> just let me double-check that (a) those are the right package names
[10:59] <mgedmin> and (b) the 19.10 hwe is already released
[10:59] <mgedmin> sorry, messed up the package names
[11:00] <mgedmin> it's just linux-generic-hwe-18.04 (and xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04)
[11:00] <mgedmin> so try installing that and rebooting and hopefully your sound card will start working again
[11:00] <FenixArmitage> so the command would be apt install linux-generic-hwe-18.04?
[11:02] <FenixArmitage> weird, I already have that installed
[11:02] <mgedmin> ah
[11:02] <mgedmin> what version?  you can check with apt policy linux-generic-hwe-18.04
[11:03] <FenixArmitage> <IP_ADDRESS>.89
[11:03] <mgedmin> digging throught packages.ubuntu.com I see 18.04 LTS currently has the HWE kernel 5.0, based on 19.04
[11:03] <mgedmin> it doesn't yet have the 5.3 kernel, based on 19.10
[11:04] <mgedmin> if support for your sound card was added _after_ 5.0, you're out of luck until a new HWE kernel is prepared
[11:04] <FenixArmitage> since this is a fresh install I can just redownload and reinstall everything and give that a shot
[11:04] <mgedmin> I'm not sure what the HWE kernel schedule is
[11:04] <mgedmin> or you could give budgie 19.10 a try
[11:05] <mgedmin> or play with live USB sessions to see which version started supporting your sound card
[11:05] <FenixArmitage> yeah I think I'll give that a go. What the hell, why not.
[11:05] <FenixArmitage> right I'm off to download 19.10
[11:05] <FenixArmitage> thanks for your help my dude
[11:05] <FenixArmitage> (y) (y)
[11:13] <buttros> Hello everyone! Is 30MB enaugh drive space for Ubuntu 19.10
[11:14] <mgedmin> no
[11:14] <mgedmin> 30 GB might be
[11:14] <buttros> sorry 30GB
[11:15] <buttros> Is it enaugh?
[11:15] <akemhp> Yes 30 GB is fine, with a good numbers of applications, libreoffice, gimp, blender, audacity, whatever.
[11:15] <mgedmin> depends on what you use it for!  the OS itself (including apps) will probably take about 10-15 GB
[11:15] <kostkon> buttros, for basic usage, yes. For gaming, large technical applications etc., no
[11:16] <buttros> akemhp: Thank you
[11:16] <akemhp> mgedmin is right about 15 GB for the OS and a good number of apps.
[11:17] <buttros> kostkon: I don't play games or have technical applications
[11:17] <kostkon> buttros, you should be fine then, if barely
[11:17] <buttros> Ok Thanks!
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> Hi guys. Does Ubuntu 19.10 come with iptables installed by default please?
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> Sorry. Disconnected. Does iptables come default installed please?
[11:35] <tomreyn> ActionParsnip: ubuntu 19.10 desktop and server probably do.
[11:35] <tomreyn> why are you asking?
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> Tomreyn: a guy on Launchpad.net is saying one isn't present in the release by default. I don't have 19.10 to check but want to be sure before I hand him his ass
[11:36] <tomreyn> then check the manifest
[11:37] <tomreyn> http://releases.ubuntu.com/19.10/
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> Tomreyn: yeah I'm thinking of booting the live ISO to check
[11:38] <tomreyn> that's not what i said.
[11:38] <tomreyn> http://releases.ubuntu.com/19.10/ubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64.manifest http://releases.ubuntu.com/19.10/ubuntu-19.10-live-server-amd64.manifest
[11:39] <tomreyn> these files contain the list of packages installed by default
[11:40] <tomreyn> well for the iso's anyways
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:40] <mgedmin> lxc launch ubuntu:e eoan && lxc exec eoan bash -> iptables is preinstalled
[11:41] <mgedmin> otoh now I wonder how much lxc images differ from iso installs
[11:41] <mgedmin> s/lxc/lxd/ augh it's confusing
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> Tomreyn: perfect. Thanks!!
[11:52] <rapidwave> To my understanding, a lot of work went into making it so Qt apps can work on Gnome and Gtk apps on KDE. Does this mean I can just use Gtk for some simple GUI work and it'll work on KDE without additional installation?
[11:52] <B|ack0p> hi
[11:52] <rapidwave> And is that Ubuntu distributions only or all nixes?
[11:53] <rapidwave> All I need is configuration GUI and notification GUI
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> rapidwave: wich package are you trying to install on wich ubuntu flavour?
[11:59] <rapidwave> lotuspsychje: I'm going to write a daemon, just want to make sure it'll work across Linux distributions
[12:00] <rapidwave> I'm wondering if I should us wxWindows to abstract the GUI toolkit
[12:01] <rapidwave> Or maybe I shouldn't be tieing in GUI to the deamon itself at all
[12:01] <ponyrider> ^^^^ thats better thinking
[12:02] <rapidwave> So then I need daemon to take commands via local socket
[12:05] <mgedmin> or dbus
[12:36] <tommy``> hi i had a little issue... nautilus and gnome terminal doesn't responding at the click to left bar.. i had opened xterm and type gnome-session to have them working... why this happens?
[12:37] <tommy``> ioria: ciao sei italiano?
[12:38] <ioria> tommy``, are you sure it's somehow related to this channel ?
[12:38] <tommy``> i sent you a pm
[13:38] <zamanf> hello, how can I access my photos in my iphone xs?
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> !iphone | zamanf
[13:40] <zamanf> the links are outdated
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> zamanf: normally connecting via usb to ubuntu, will mount your phone, then you can transfer pictures to your pc
[13:40] <zamanf> nope, it doesn't work
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> zamanf: if not mounting, please share us the output of: journalctl -f after connecting your phone via usb
[13:41] <oerheks> !info ifuse
[13:41] <zamanf> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CyHsVQ2by9/
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> zamanf: did you plug out usb/plug back in on that journal?
[13:42] <zamanf> no, I will do that now
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> zamanf: try to install the package oerheks adviced
[13:43] <zamanf> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CFJnXPmbkw/
[13:43] <fullstack> crackling sound in Ubuntu 18.04 in Youtube maybe after kernel upgrade? 5.0.0-32-generic. killall pulseaudio doesn't fix it
[13:44] <zamanf> ifuse is already the newest version (1.1.3-0.1).
[13:44] <crypt0kraken> fullstack: what is your machine? have you restarted your system?
[13:44] <fullstack> yes, this happens after restart. I turn off my computer every night
[13:45] <fullstack> amd 3800 asus x570
[13:45] <crypt0kraken> fullstack: do you have dual boot with windows? I have had audio issues in the past related to dual boot in some machines
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> zamanf: logs say iphone attached, you dont see the phone mount?
[13:45] <fullstack> no dual boot :( I would never betray you guys
[13:45] <zamanf> I don't see it
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> zamanf: tested several usb ports?
[13:48] <zamanf> I will try restarting later and give it another try
[13:48] <crypt0kraken> fullstack: so the audio issues only appeared after the kernel upgrade? and only sometimes after restart?
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> zamanf: also try 'clementine' aswell, its known to be nice for apple syncing
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> zamanf: (just to test if it sees/connect your device)
[13:53] <crypt0kraken> anybody know how to redirect join/quit messages to another window/buffer on weechat? I am aware of the smart filter functionality, but that is not what I want. already asked on #weechat but nobody answered
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: you know? ^
[13:54] <TJ-> crypt0kraken: do you want to redirect them or ignore them?
[13:56] <crypt0kraken> TJ-: I want them all to go to another window/buffer, not ignore them completely
[13:56] <oerheks> !quietirc
[13:57] <crypt0kraken> oerheks: link gives me 503. but judging from the url, this is not what I want. I don't want to discard/ignore/hide those messages, I want them all to go to a different window
[13:58] <oerheks> crypt0kraken, i see, indeed the url is not working properly
[13:58] <oerheks> howto move them to an other window, no clue
[13:59] <crypt0kraken> oerheks: I tried searching for this, but to no avail. The messages are actually useful for me, I just don't want them to clutter the channel chat window
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> zamanf: i wonder if ubuntu sees your iphone as network device? did you try disable wifi and connect with usb?
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> zamanf: and is this on a physical install or VM?
[14:07] <TJ-> crypt0kraken: can you use https://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_user.en.html#irc_target_buffer
[14:10] <fullstack> any idea why my audio is crackling in ubuntu 18.04 with AMD 570 after several months of working well? I think apt update upgrade changed my kernel, and this could be a bug.  I tried killing pulseaudio and some other changes tsched=0 in a file.
[14:10] <fullstack> I use my computer for conferencing, and I'm the only one not on a mac. Always having some kind of issue
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> fullstack: did you test previous kernels yet?
[14:12] <isomari> geetings, how can I update to plasma 5.17 on eoan?
[14:12] <fullstack> lotuspsychje, I forgot how to check that. let me see
[14:12] <fullstack> where's the grub menu configuration file?
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> fullstack: you can just enter grub at boot, try a previous one from there
[14:14] <fullstack> what's the latest kernel?
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> fullstack: from wich ubuntu release?
[14:14] <fullstack> 18.04
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> fullstack: is your system up to date?
[14:14] <oerheks> isomari, maybe the backports ppa .. https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-17-for-kubuntu-19-10-available-in-backports-ppa/
[14:15] <fullstack> 18.04.3
[14:15] <oerheks> i would wait.
[14:15] <fullstack> Yes it is up to date except if there's been something new since yesterday.. checking
[14:15] <isomari> oerheks: Why wait?
[14:15] <fullstack> I might have an option to stay at a kernel and not utilizing the latest kernel from grub config. I checked, but I forgot what option that was in the file
[14:16] <fullstack> uname -a lists 5.0.0-32-generic but I see higher 30s in the grub
[14:16] <fullstack> just need to reboot and select a newer version kernel to check if that fixes it?
[14:16] <fullstack> apt upgrade lists 0 updates
[14:16] <oerheks> isomari, you will find out, not tested thoroughly yet
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> fullstack: correct, hold shift at boot
[14:16] <isomari> oerheks: I C. ok thanks
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> fullstack: pick ubuntu previous kernel
[14:17] <fullstack> kind figure out which one it was
[14:17] <fullstack> I think autoremove got rid of it
[14:17] <fullstack> was it at some point 4.xxx?
[14:17] <oerheks> no, autoremove keeps the previous kernel.
[14:18] <fullstack> is there a way to list the grub kernels WITHOUT having to reboot so I can verify this before I reboot?
[14:19] <fullstack> no info in /etc/default/grub /boot/grub/grub.cfg or any place I would intuitively check. This is annoying
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> fullstack: sudo update-grub
[14:19] <oerheks>  dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[14:19] <fullstack> is that going to list my kernels or update grub?
[14:19] <oerheks> so easy to find, such info
[14:21] <fullstack> its annoying to have to find the "new place" or command every 3 months, which i forget. Linux has always had issues with sound and sound cards haven't changed that much since sound blaster 32 on the 486.
[14:22] <fullstack> its just one of those things it'll never get right for the next 30-40 years
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> fullstack: lets please focus on your issue instead of complaints
[14:26] <fullstack> Well holding down shift didn't work
[14:26] <fullstack> I guess I'll just have to use my laptop for audio until somebody can narrow this down and fix it.
[14:26] <fullstack> sorry I don't have time :(
[14:34] <hggdh> lotuspsychje, crypt0kraken: see https://weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_user.en.html#irc_target_buffer
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> tnx hggdh
[14:35] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: for reference, the full weechat manual is available in many languages at https://weechat.org/doc/
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: havent used myself, in those cases id rather forward to the using experts :p
[14:37] <GridCube> there doesn't seem to be a mini iso for 19.10, it doesn't get shipped anymore'
[14:37] <GridCube> ?
[14:46] <crypt0kraken> TJ-: hggdh: thanks
[14:54] <oerheks> GridCube yes there are, the mini iso factoid needs to be updated
[14:54] <oerheks> !mini
[14:54] <oerheks> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/eoan/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[14:54] <oerheks> they hide under the netboot folder
[15:08] <octav1a> you know for xkill you can kill by clicking window? Is there anything that lets you find the name of the binary by clicking window?
[15:12] <mgedmin> for x11 apps try xprop and look for the _NET_WM_PID property, then run ps on that pid to get the process name/command line
[15:12] <mgedmin> (this property is not guaranteed to always exist)
[15:14] <tomreyn> or, if you just want the process / application name: xprop | grep WM_CLASS
[16:04] <TJ-> !info fonts-guru-extra | TJ- anyone have this package installed, and can try "dpkg --verify fonts-guru-extra" and tell me if you get an error?
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: no error here on 20.04
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: installed: 2.0-4ubuntu2
[16:07] <TJ-> hmmm, on 18.04 here, fonts-guru-extra/bionic-updates,bionic-updates 2.0-4ubuntu0.1 -- looks like the .md5sums file has a bad path in it, thinks a file is a directory and fails
[16:07] <FurretUber> When using the proposed kernel, to report a bug using `ubuntu-bug linux` will point to the right kernel version?
[16:08] <TJ-> Ahhh bug #1701047
[16:09] <TJ-> Was seeing "dpkg: error: cannot compute MD5 hash for file '/etc/fonts/conf.avail/65-0-fonts-guru-extra.conf': failed to read (Is a directory)"
[16:10] <oerheks> FurretUber, yes, apport will do that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: wonder why it says optional, it was installed here by default
[16:10] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: some seed will pull it in
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> ic
[16:11] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: rdpends shows ubuntu-desktop > fonts-indic > fonts-guru > fonts-guru-extra
[16:16] <FurretUber> The bug I reported shows it affects linux-signed-hwe-edge, I think it went right, thank you
[16:17] <FurretUber> Luckily Xfce4 is super lightweight, so even with a buggy GPU limited to 100 MHz clock it's still smooth
[16:20] <saor> xfce is beautiful
[16:21] <TJ-> still has a lot of raw edges/bugs though
[16:23] <FurretUber> 4.14 is much better, I added the Staging PPA to Bionic so much I liked it. Everything is much better, the concept of main monitor is wonderful
[16:24] <FurretUber> The new screensaver application is new, so it has some problems, but otherwise it's pretty solid
[16:49] <vlt> Hello. Is there an easier way to rotate an image (by an arbitrary float angle) while keeping the original size using preferably netpbm (or convert) than to first apply pnmrotate and then pnmcut using half of the difference between new and old width and height as its -left and -top parameters? Did I miss the tool or option that already does exactly that?
[16:50] <lordcirth> vlt, does "convert -rotate 90" not work for you?
[16:54] <vlt> lordcirth: No, it resizes the image. To be more precise it enlarges the "canvas" to not throw away any image information and I have to cut the larger part away later. If there's no more elegant solution.
[16:55] <lordcirth> I'm curious, why do you need to rotate by arbitrary floats?
[16:56] <vlt> lordcirth: To adjust not perfectly horizontal shots.
[16:57] <lordcirth> That seems like something you can't really automate? Or do all the pictures come from the same camera orientation/tripod?
[16:58] <vlt> lordcirth: Yes, I know the angle correction I want to apply.
[17:00] <vlt> The way I'm doing it now works: `pnmrotate <angle> > <out>; pnmfile <out> ... read new width/height ... calculate difference ...; pnmcut -top <half of that> ...` but it means a few extra steps I could avoid if I used the correct tool in the first place.
[17:02] <hurricanehrndz> I'm having troubles understanding systemd session naming, on some systems it is named session-c2.scope and on others session-2.scope can anyone help me understand the difference
[17:03] <FurretUber> I think my bug report didn't send the required data to actually investigate it. It seems no dmesg was uploaded, for example
[17:03] <SIamaster> my computer completely freezes when I'm trying to copy files to another drive
[17:04] <SIamaster> I did  journalctl -f but no errors were reported
[17:04] <SIamaster> Also, I recently updated my BIOS firmware but that didn't solve the issue
[17:08] <TJ-> SIamaster: how is this "other drive" connected to the PC?
[17:08] <SIamaster> all connected to the motherboard
[17:09] <SIamaster> I have 3, copying between them causes computer to freeze
[17:14] <lordcirth> SIamaster, connected via SATA? Anything in dmesg before/during the freeze?
[17:14] <SIamaster> yes SATA, I will check
[17:14] <oerheks> if the caps lock light freezes, then it is really bad
[17:14] <SIamaster> lol why?
[17:15] <lordcirth> Because it doesn't take much to be working for the keyboard to be handled
[17:15] <SIamaster> aha, I will check if it works next time
[17:16] <SIamaster> can I run dmesg with -f mode?
[17:16] <SIamaster> how should I check ?
[17:16] <lordcirth> -w is what you want for dmesg to keep printing
[17:16] <lordcirth> and -T gets you readable timestamps
[17:17] <SIamaster> great, thanks. I will try now, it will crash and I will log in again
[17:17] <lordcirth> Another experiment you could do; reading from one drive at a time, seeing if it freezes.
[17:18] <lordcirth> If it can be narrowed down to one drive, that would be nice.
[17:20] <Siamaster> nothing reported
[17:21] <TJ-> Siamaster: is it only when copying from one drive to another? Have you tested copying to /dev/null for example?
[17:21] <lordcirth> Yeah, I recommend dd'ing from a raw drive to /dev/null
[17:22] <lordcirth> Thus, there is no filesystem or destination, only a block read
[17:23] <Siamaster> hmm, ok. I don't really understand how and why
[17:25] <lordcirth> Siamaster, when copying files, there are a number of steps going on under the hood. Doing one of those steps at a time should get us more info.
[17:25] <lordcirth> There's reading from the source device, there's handling the source filesystem, there's the destination filesystem, and the destination device - at a minimum
[17:25] <ubuking> Hello!:D
[17:26] <lordcirth> ubuking, hi
[17:26] <ubuking> how are you?:D
[17:26] <Siamaster> I tried copying within the same drive and it still crashed
[17:26] <lordcirth> !offtopic | ubuking
[17:26] <Siamaster> and btw, the caps lock button doesn't work
[17:26] <Siamaster> .. so I guess it's really bad then :D
[17:26] <lordcirth> Siamaster, ok, so try this: "dd if=/dev/sdx of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1024 status=progress"
[17:27] <lordcirth> Where sdx is the drive
[17:27] <Siamaster> what does that do?
[17:27] <lordcirth> That will attempt to read the first 1GiB of the raw drive.
[17:27] <lordcirth> And do nothing with the data.
[17:27] <Siamaster> ok
[17:28] <lordcirth> We don't care what it is, only that it can read it without crashing
[17:29] <Siamaster> It doesn't crash but maybe if I try to read more data it will
[17:29] <Siamaster> because it doesn't crash immediately when I copy
[17:30] <Siamaster> it takes some seconds, around 20 perhaps, then it crashes
[17:30] <lordcirth> Ok, you can crank up "count". bs=1M means to read 1 MB blocks, and "count=1024" means read 1024 of those (so 1GB)
[17:30] <lordcirth> If you add a zero or two to "count" it will read more data.
[17:33] <hurricanehrndz> what determines the user's shell cgroups?
[17:34] <Siamaster> it crashed
[17:38] <lordcirth> Siamaster, ok, so that narrows it down a lot!
[17:38] <lordcirth> Siamaster, I would now try it on another drive.
[17:38] <lordcirth> If both drives crash, then I suspect your motherboard and/or drive controller.
[17:39] <Siamaster> so I will need to replace my motherboard?
[17:41] <alassiensane> Hi Everyone. Can someone help me with swap? Ubuntu recently boots up with swap off
[17:43] <hurricanehrndz> alassiensane, https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-space-on-ubuntu-18-04
[17:43] <oerheks> how do you tell swap is off? swapon -s
[17:44] <oerheks> 18.04 uses a swapfile standard
[17:44] <alassiensane> I have swap space hurricanehrndz and oerheks. But it is not swapon on startup. What i do is, i go to gparted and swapon every single time
[17:44] <alassiensane> Sudo swapon doesnt work eiether. I have to use gparted
[17:44] <hurricanehrndz> you will need to add it to fstab
[17:44] <alassiensane> how do i do that?
[17:45] <oerheks> so you think you have a swap partition?
[17:45] <hurricanehrndz> should look something like this: /dev/mapper/xps9360_ubuntu-swap none            swap    sw              0       0
[17:45] <hurricanehrndz> if you have a partition
[17:45] <alassiensane> I have a 11.44 GB swap file /dev/sda4 I got this data from gparted
[17:47] <lordcirth> alassiensane, if it's sda4, that's a partition, not a file.
[17:47] <TJ-> alassiensane: sounds to be like you've got encrypted swap and the header is being wiped out each time
[17:47] <alassiensane> So what do you all recommend i do?
[17:48] <oerheks> journalctl | grep -i swap
[17:48] <Siamaster> lordcirth , so you suggest I replace my motherboard to solve this issue?
[17:48] <TJ-> alassiensane: start off with "grep swap /etc/crypttab"
[17:49] <lordcirth> Siamaster, well, it's hard to say. But I suspect it's hardware.
[17:49] <lordcirth> Siamaster, perhaps #hardware could help you confirm it?
[17:49] <Siamaster> I'm sorry, what was the dd command again?
[17:49] <TJ-> Siamaster: Have you thought to monitor temperatures? That's the usual culprit with unexplained hangs
[17:49] <Siamaster> so I can check another drive
[17:49] <alassiensane> TJ- That doesnt exist
[17:49] <oerheks> Siamaster, press arrow up in your terminal?
[17:50] <TJ-> alassiensane: OK, so possibly not using encrypted swap then :)
[17:50] <lordcirth> Siamaster, "dd if=/dev/sdx of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1024 status=progress"
[17:50] <TJ-> alassiensane: how about "sudo file -s /dev/sda4"
[17:50] <Siamaster> oerheks can't, since it crashed
[17:50] <alassiensane> oerheks its giving me errors
[17:50] <Siamaster> thanks !
[17:51] <alassiensane> oerheks Here is the pastebin https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VQGWstjBJm/
[17:52] <TJ-> alassiensane: you'd expect to see similar to "... Linux/i386 swap file (new style), version 1 (4K pages), size ..."
[17:52] <alassiensane> TJ- /dev/sda4: Linux/i386 swap file (new style), version 1 (4K pages), size 3000063 pages, no label, UUID=a2a09068-bfa0-488e-9880-b32d76bfc15f
[17:53] <lordcirth> alassiensane, and is there a swap entry in fstab?
[17:53] <alassiensane> How do i check that lordcirth?
[17:53] <lordcirth> alassiensane, look at /etc/fstab
[17:54] <TJ-> alassiensane: that's good
[17:54] <alassiensane> lordcirth here you go https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zFH3znMv4D/
[17:54] <Siamaster> other drive crashed as well
[17:55] <lordcirth> alassiensane, so, your fstab points to "6131fd85-e969-4e01-8ba6-8c678c0f440c" as swap, yet your sda4 is "a2a09068-bfa0-488e-9880-b32d76bfc15f"
[17:56] <alassiensane> lordcirth and it also says during installation swap was sda7. Maybe because i installed another linux as multiboot?
[17:56] <alassiensane> lordcirth how do i proceed?
[17:57] <lordcirth> alassiensane, well, you could just edit /etc/fstab to point to the UUID of your swap partition and reboot.
[17:57] <TJ-> alassiensane: how about "journalctl -b -u swap.target" - if you see " Reached target Swap" we know the service should be activating
[17:58] <oerheks> oh, another linux as multiboot .. noooo, that cannot be the key  .. sharing swap perhaps?
[17:58] <alassiensane> TJ- this is the result Oct 28 22:59:46 supercomp systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Swap.
[17:58] <alassiensane> Oct 28 22:59:46 supercomp systemd[1]: swap.target: Job swap.target/start failed with result 'dependency'.
[17:58] <alassiensane> oerheks is it not recommended to have shared swap?
[17:58] <TJ-> alassiensane: there you go then
[17:59] <TJ-> alassiensane: how about "journalctl -b -p warning" -- that'll only how warnings/errors from the current boot
[17:59] <alassiensane> TJ- can you dumb it down? XD
[17:59] <lordcirth> Sharing swap should be ok? I've done it before
[17:59] <lordcirth> As long as you don't hibernate, anyway.
[17:59] <Siamaster> Is there a way to get a crash log?
[18:00] <lordcirth> Siamaster, not really, if it freezes that badly
[18:00] <Siamaster> ah crap
[18:00] <TJ-> alassiensane: dumb it down? you have a failure report... speaks for itself, so now you need to dig into that to find out what the dependency is and why it failed
[18:00] <Siamaster> so what do you suggest I do then?
[18:00] <lordcirth> Siamaster, did reading the other drive fail too?
[18:00] <Siamaster> I can't even backup files like this
[18:00] <Siamaster> yes
[18:01] <lordcirth> Do you have another computer? Perhaps you could put your drives in there to back it up
[18:01] <alassiensane> TJ- the error lines are huge. Ill pastebin it https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D42qc44rGb/
[18:01] <Siamaster> hmm, perhaps I should just buy another computer
[18:02] <Siamaster> and ask them to install my harddrives
[18:02] <alassiensane> lordcirth Would editing fstab do enough? Arent there in in built commands which does it for me?
[18:02] <Siamaster> Thanks for the help!
[18:03] <netsrot> hi. how do I add /dev/input/js0 ? it was removed when I updated to ubuntu 19.10
[18:04] <alassiensane> lordcirth and TJ- i just remembered that the other linux is not booting properly and it suspends mid way booting. Is this the problem?
[18:04] <lordcirth> alassiensane, editing fstab should work fine. I'm not aware of any tools that are easier than replacing a string in a file.
[18:05] <lordcirth> alassiensane, it might be related. Does it print anything when it hangs?
[18:06] <alassiensane> It is kali linux. The graphics doesnt work i assume. When it boots up its in text mode and lots of errors go flying by. Then i will see something like "suspending..." lordcirth
[18:06] <LinusCDE> netsrot: that probably happened due to a change of drivers in the kernel. i have that often with my Dualshock 4 on manjaro (probably same). some kernels support it with bluetooth natively and some don't. maybe try updating the kernel if possible. otherwise i'm clueless, too.
[18:06] <alassiensane> lordcirth how do i safely remove that distro and reclaim my swap? Would deleting the partition do?
[18:07] <lordcirth> alassiensane, depends, which distro's bootloader are you currently using?
[18:07] <alassiensane> Ubuntu lordcirth
[18:07] <alassiensane> It is ubuntu themed. And its grub, so should it matter? lordcirth
[18:08] <alassiensane> I meant it is purple and ubuntu is default. So i assume it is ubuntu's bootloader lordcirth
[18:08] <lordcirth> alassiensane, grub refers to config files in the root partition of the distro that installed it. So if you remove that without re-installing grub, you can break your boot.
[18:08] <lordcirth> (well, the /boot partition, if you have one)
[18:10] <alassiensane> There is no /boot partition but both kali and ubuntu have /boot in their /
[18:13] <alassiensane> hi lordcirth please tell me the next steps?
[18:14] <lordcirth> alassiensane, did you try switching to sda4 in /etc/fstab yet?
[18:16] <alassiensane> lordcirth i did. Is there some update-grub or something next?
[18:16] <lordcirth> alassiensane, swap isn't needed during early boot, so I would just reboot. If you are paranoid, feel free to download Boot Repair and put it on a USB. It's a handy thing to have around in general.
[18:18] <alassiensane> I tried boot-repair already lordcirth. So I will restart and see
[18:18] <alassiensane> lordcirth Thanks for your help. Will definitely donate something from next month's paycheck
[18:18] <alassiensane> *cheque
[18:20] <lordcirth> Donate to what?
[18:20] <alassiensane> Ubuntu. That's what i used to do back in college. Get something solved through IRC -> donate
[18:21] <lordcirth> Ah. Well that's a good thing to do. But I, and most people here, aren't really associated with the project.
[18:21] <amalgameate> hi, anyone have a recommendation for the best unofficial ubuntu client for evernote?
[18:22] <lordcirth> amalgameate, best to ask on #ubuntu-discuss, I think
[18:22] <alassiensane> lordcirth huh. Never knew that
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> alassiensane: like lordcirth says, most users here are volunteers helping in their free time
[18:23] <lordcirth> I'm just a Linux sysadmin at work atm
[18:23] <alassiensane> That's very cool of everyone lotuspsychje
[18:23] <alassiensane> And a special thanks to you lordcirth
[18:24] <ioria> amalgameate, snap find evernote-web-client   (if it's that what you're looking for)
[18:24] <lordcirth> You are welcome
[18:58] <aniruddh1> hello
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> welcome aniruddh1
[18:58] <kostkon> aniruddh1, hi
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> how can we help you tongith aniruddh1 ?
[19:00] <aniruddh1> lotuspsychje: actually i am trying to set up my weechat client and testing weather everything is ok or not
[19:00] <aniruddh1> :)
[19:03] <kostkon> !info weechat eoan
[19:08] <akk> Hi, all! Does anybody here use apt-file on eoan? It used to work on dingo but now apt-file search always gives empty results.
[19:09] <pragmaticenigma> akk: Have you run "apt-file update" first?
[19:10] <akk> pragmaticenigma: Yes, many times.
[19:10] <sarnold> akk: that may be related to this Contents-amd64.gz message here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-October/040832.html
[19:11] <falz> hi folks, im a long time xfce user attempting to 'get used' to unity. reason for this is my hardware (dell xps 13 from 2018) had some issues in xfce with touchpad, sleep, etc. trying unity to see if that stuff works better
[19:11] <kostkon> falz, unity or gnome shell?
[19:11] <falz> anyway, lots of things seem to be way more dumbed down that expected, for example theres no right click context menu on much of anything, like on a file in the file manager. there's no file|edit|view menu there either, so it's really hard to even create a new fodler
[19:12] <falz> whatever it would be called that comes with stock ubuntu 18.04, which I think is unity, the file manager specifically is just `files`
[19:12] <akk> sarnold: Interesting, that does sound like it could be related. I don't seem to have any files named Contents-amd64.gz anywhere.
[19:12] <falz> same in terminal, I cannot right click on highlighted text
[19:13] <falz> on the left side dock, right click doesnt work unless you hold it down for a few seconds which seems wtf-worthy to me
[19:13] <akk> I have /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_eoan-security_Contents-amd64.lz4 and /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_eoan-updates_Contents-amd64.lz4
[19:13] <sarnold> akk: it's a file on the archives -- compare the Contents-amd64.gz on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/disco/ and http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/eoan/
[19:14] <Mordoc> falz, that's curious because I can't replicate that behaviour here. Is this new install your did you apt install ubuntu-desktop?
[19:14] <falz> fresh install from iso
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> falz: default 18.04 has gnome, not unity
[19:14] <falz> in your file manager, can you right click on a .zip file?
[19:14] <Mordoc> falz, I meant or did you apt install ubuntu-desktop
[19:14] <akk> sarnold: Ah, I see. Is it likely that they will create a nonzero file there eventually?
[19:15] <sarnold> akk: I'm not sure. normally the release pocket is never changed after release, but this is really unfortunate. I don't know.
[19:15] <falz> I did not apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, but that package is installed
[19:15] <falz> ok so s/unity/gnome/ i guess, still these seemingly bizarre.. choices?
[19:15] <Mordoc> falz, Yep I get an option to open with archive manager along with cut, copy, move, rename, etc.
[19:15] <kostkon> falz, that's gnome for you.
[19:16] <falz> ok so Mordoc are you not running the stock file manafger?
[19:16] <Mordoc> falz,
[19:16] <Mordoc> falz, sorry I'm running stock Ubuntu, with the stock files app
[19:16] <falz> and you can right click on a file to get the context menu?
[19:18] <Mordoc> falz, Yep I get a menu with cut, copy, etc, etc.
[19:18] <falz> curious if others do as well so we know which is the anomoly?
[19:19] <Mordoc> falz, I even get a context menu in the terminal. So the right click action is recognized in the settings app -> mouse/trackpad?
[19:20] <falz> i have no such right click / action options in the mouse config
[19:22] <falz> yeah wtf i cant right click in a web browser either
[19:22] <falz> ok so something is fubar
[19:22] <falz> blah wtf it's somehow a 'two finger tap' and not obeying the right click
[19:22] <Mordoc> falz, Mine is under setttings, devices, mouse/trackpad
[19:23] <falz> my settings looks exactly like this screenshot https://i2.wp.com/itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/ubuntu_scrolling_settings.png?w=1014&ssl=1
[19:25] <falz> ok here we go: https://itsfoss.com/fix-right-click-touchpad-ubuntu/
[19:25] <falz> yeah that tweak fixed it back to what makes sense to me. I don't see why it couldn't be both
[19:30] <Mordoc> falz, Good find...
[19:52] <FurretUber> Does Bionic with the proposed HWE Edge kernel (5.3.0-19) has exFAT support?
[19:53] <oerheks> no, exfat needs to be installed manually, exfat-fuse and exfat-utils
[19:54] <Rayke> When I quick create a VM using HYPER-V for Ubuntu 19.04 I don't get the enhanced services (e.g. resizable desktop).  When I use the 18.04 version it works fine.  Any ideas?
[19:55] <ioria> FurretUber, it's not in proposed
[19:55] <ioria> !info linux-generic-hwe-18.04-edge bionic
[19:55] <oerheks> no ideas about hyperV, sorry
[19:56] <FurretUber> synaptic shows to me <IP_ADDRESS>.85 is in proposed
[19:56] <ioria> FurretUber,  apt-cache policy linux-generic-hwe-18.04-edge
[19:56] <oerheks> HWE-edge = proposed edge candidate
[19:57] <oerheks> err HWE candidate
[19:57] <oerheks> bug team might ask you to try an other kernel version
[19:58] <FurretUber> This? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vxPNPMnmsw/
[19:59] <FurretUber> But this should be the correct one: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VPkrCW2yS6/
[19:59] <ioria> FurretUber,  you probably have enabled -proposed in sources.list ?
[19:59] <FurretUber> Yes, I did. I enabled proposed but configured it to not upgrade automatically to proposed
[20:00] <ioria> FurretUber,  why did you enable -proposed ?
[20:01] <FurretUber> I enabled it once when there was a crash bug with QEMU. As I configured it to never upgrade anything to proposed versions automatically, I kept it enabled
[20:02] <tomreyn> Rayke: "HYPER-V for Ubuntu 19.04"? Are you sure this exists?
[20:02] <FurretUber> I followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed and the part "Selective upgrading from -proposed"
[20:03] <Rayke> tomreyn.  It is an option in the Quick Create window for Hyper-V
[20:04] <oerheks> not an ubuntu issue, try ##windows or ##hyperv if that exist?
[20:04] <tomreyn> Rayke: "HYPER-V for Ubuntu 19.04" sounds like you have an ubuntu host system which has some "hyper-v" virtualization software installed. but i don't think that's the case. so, yes, see above.
[20:06] <Rayke> I have tried Windows support and they point to Ubuntu since it was officially announced by Ubuntu in may.  https://ubuntu.com/blog/19-04-disco-dingo-now-available-as-optimised-desktop-image-for-hyper-v
[20:09] <oerheks> no-one here uses hyperV ..
[20:09] <oerheks> good luck!
[20:09] <oerheks> !wsl
[20:09] <ioria> FurretUber,  ah, ok I misread
[20:09] <oerheks> even that we do not know about
[20:10] <Rayke> Oh well.  The people over at windows say it is Ubuntu specific so I guess I am out of luck here.  Thanks anyway.
[20:10] <tomreyn> Rayke: you could contact caononical advantage support, it's possible they have a support offering for this
[20:11] <tomreyn> over here we're just volunteers, not dedicated to supporting canoical products other than ubuntu desktop and server
[20:11] <TJ-> Hmmm, I think Rayke missed the last paragraph there: "Our plan at this point is to provide the latest LTS and the most recent non-LTS release. That way you can choose between the known quantity of the LTS or the freshest release."
[20:12] <TJ-> which implies 18.04 and 19.10 at this point
[20:13] <hermonethic> hello tomreyn, you helped me a lot last night with the installation of ubuntu 19.10 on my asus laptop. last night you told me to upgrade the bios and i do it now but it didn't help unfortunately
[20:13] <tomreyn> hmm, "quantity" or "quality"?
[20:14] <tomreyn> hermonethic: okay, that's a pity. i'm afraid i already forgot everythgin you told me abou the issue you were facing. could you please sum it up again? this will also enable others to support you.
[20:18] <hermonethic> yes, thank you again. I'm new user and try to install ubuntu 19.10 on my asus laptop with nvidia mx150 video card. from the beginning, when i boot the system from live usb i get black screen after the grub menu. i installed the system using nomodeset mode, and after reboot again i get black screen and now even the nomodeset option didn't work. yesterday you told me to boot into recovery mode and try to install nvidia drivers using the command (i think
[20:19] <hermonethic> maybe 19.10 is unstable for my hardware and i should try to install the 19.04 lts ? i really don't know what to do anymore..
[20:20] <oerheks> hermonethic, there is one more thing you can try, osi = 'windows < number>  https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[20:20] <oerheks> TJ- can help you with this?
[20:24] <Aavar> Anyone know where I can get help with unity7 on irc?
[20:25] <hermonethic> oerheks, it looks a little bit dangerous for my computer, am i right ? i mean, is it something that can make me problems with the windows/hardware?
[20:25] <ioria> hermonethic, so you cannot boot in graphic mode even with nomodeset ?
[20:26] <tecywiz121> Hey! I've just installed 19.10 on a Dell XPS 15 9570. I switched to the proprietary nvidia drivers, and now graphics don't appear after a suspend/resume (though SSH still works.) I've tried with 435 and 440. I've updated my bios to 1.13.0. Any help would be appreciated!
[20:26] <oerheks> hermonethic, these bios calls do no harm. you just need to find the right one
[20:27] <hermonethic> ioria, no i cant now after the installation
[20:27] <ioria> hermonethic, can you open a console (ctrl+alt+f3) after you got the blank screen ?
[20:29] <hermonethic> i think about it but did not cheek. i can do it now and be right back in a few moments. if yes, there is something i should do there?
[20:30] <ioria> hermonethic, yes,  get  a working prompt to provide some infos
[20:31] <hermonethic> ioria, sorry but i did not understand you
[20:32] <ioria> hermonethic, we need to collect some infos... how can we do without access to the system ?
[20:33] <hermonethic> yes i mean, how to collect the info from the terminal session (if i can go there)
[20:34] <ioria> hermonethic, we'll tell you, don't worry :)
[20:34] <hermonethic> ok thank you again, cheek it now
[20:34] <tomreyn> hermonethic: this, run it twice, with 0 and with -1, and note down the urls:  journalctl -b 0 | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:35] <tomreyn> "-1" is "minus one"
[20:35] <ioria> hermonethic, after the black screen, you probably need to wait a little bit before issuing the ctrl+alt+f3
[20:36] <tomreyn> if this won't work out, recovery is also an option, though
[20:38] <TJ-> Is hermonethic using a separate PC for IRC?
[20:39] <ioria> i hope so
[20:39] <TJ-> Thought it might be dual-boot
[20:39] <hermonethic> tj actually i dual boot but try to connect to the irc now from my tablet
[20:39] <Jojero> Hello, please help.
[20:40] <TJ-> hermonethic: OK, so currently you're using the PC that has the problem, and working from MS windows?
[20:40] <Jojero> What is the meaning of Couldn't get size 0x000000 something.
[20:40] <hermonethic> yes
[20:40] <Jojero> Its saying Im in emergency mode. :(
[20:41] <TJ-> hermonethic: that detail will help people here undestand the situation you are working in
[20:42] <oerheks> Jojero, we need more info, screenshot perhaps? or a pastebin with the full error
[20:42] <Jojero> its saying Dependency failed for FIle System Check*
[20:42] <Jojero> Waiiit Ill take a pictyre
[20:43] <Jojero> imgur.com/a/uOgVPDo
[20:44] <lordcirth> Jojero, that's unreadable
[20:44] <oerheks> unreadable, but i think there is a dirty filesystem
[20:44] <lordcirth> At least partly. Anyway, it looks like something about sda is very broken
[20:44] <oerheks> even worse, with damage?
[20:44] <FurretUber> It reads like a defective storage device.  Black screen, so I install ubuntu. Never thought dying hard drive.
[20:46] <oerheks> then fsck is oke, good point there, sarnold
[20:46] <hermonethic> so i just tried ctrl alt f3 and it is not work, now i'm in recovery mode
[20:46] <Jojero> thanks sarnold <3
[20:46] <Jojero> So yea its a dying hard drive :(
[20:46] <ioria> hermonethic, ok, cat /proc/cmdline | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:46] <oerheks> !smart
[20:47] <hermonethic> cat /proc/cmdline | nc termbin.com 9999 : copy this to the command line ?
[20:47] <ioria> yes
[20:47] <hermonethic> with or without the cat? sorry about my questions
[20:47] <Jojero> wanna cry, thanks guys! love yah all im gonna go back to sleep. How to change username in hexchat btw? lol
[20:47] <lordcirth> Jojero, /nick newnick
[20:48] <ioria> hermonethic, the cmd i wrote exactly .... and please, higliht the nick of the person you're talking to
[20:48] <Jojero> Alright thank you. :)
[20:48] <lordcirth> Jojero, or in your settings for the server
[20:48] <ioria> *highlight
[20:48] <Jojero> Im gonna go sleep now! Zzz. Faulty hard drive, what a horrible nightmare.
[20:48] <kostkon> !register > Jojero, also
[20:49] <Jojero> kostkon, lordcirth
[20:49] <kostkon> messed up
[20:49] <ioria> hermonethic, you need to enable networking, btw
[20:49] <Jojero> I mean my Jojero is registered.
[20:49] <kostkon> Jojero, ok
[20:49] <Jojero> so the new will be registered too? If I change.
[20:49] <katronix> Hi all, on my server running Ubuntu, the /boot partition is nearly full, while / is almost empty. Is there any way of moving space from / to /boot without re-installing the OS?
[20:50] <kostkon> Jojero, you'd need to register the new one as well
[20:50] <kostkon> afaik
[20:50] <Jojero> With same email?
[20:50] <oerheks> katronix,  just run apt autoremove, to clear unused kernels
[20:50] <Jojero> Alright cheers!
[20:50] <kostkon> Jojero, no idea then, haven't tried it
[20:50] <Jojero> Is there a way to make a persistence usb? in ubuntu like in Kali?
[20:51] <oerheks> or check  first how many you have installed;  dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[20:51] <oerheks> Jojero, oh no, you are the kali dude. .. hackers surely can find a howto
[20:52] <hermonethic> ioria i write it and get url , and also how can i highlight your name
[20:53] <ioria> hermonethic, you did now ... paste the url
[20:53] <hermonethic> the url is https:termbin.com/yx21
[20:53] <Jojero> oerheks I mean I just want to ask. xD Since the HDD is dead, and cant buy for a week.
[20:54] <katronix> Can Ubuntu 16.04.6 use kernel 5.x?
[20:54] <Jojero> I need something to use. xD
[20:54] <ioria> hermonethic, wrong, try again
[20:54] <hermonethic> ioria to copy the command line?
[20:55] <ioria> hermonethic, cat /proc/cmdline | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:55] <katronix> oerheks, your first suggestion removed 6 files, your second suggestion said I still have 5 kernels for 4.4.x
[20:56] <oerheks> katronix, ah oke, remove them but keep the latest 2 versions
[20:56] <oerheks> i think this is HWE, so autoremove does not detect them
[20:57] <hermonethic> ioria now its termbin.com/v4vb
[20:57] <Bashing-om> Jojero: See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073 for making up the USB device.
[20:59] <Jojero> https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14912/create-a-persistent-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive/
[20:59] <ioria> hermonethic, what happens if you run    ' sudo systemctl start gdm3  ' ?
[20:59] <Jojero> Alright Ill cheeeck broo
[20:59] <katronix> Wouldn't 4.4.0-166.195 be newer than 4.4.0-64.85 ? for some reason my server is running the latter
[21:00] <orogor> hello
[21:00] <Jojero> Thanks maaan
[21:00] <hermonethic> ioria nothing happend
[21:00] <ioria> hermonethic, ok,      dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:02] <hermonethic> ioria termbin.com/qpv5
[21:03] <orogor> seems like i got my system borked, it booted fine once in 19.10, then i can t boot anymore
[21:03] <orogor>  i get a segfault in libpthread , then a kernel panic in the early boot phase
[21:03] <ioria> hermonethic, is it a ZenBook ?
[21:03] <hermonethic> yes
[21:03] <ioria> my
[21:03] <orogor> and i get a segfault in libc when i try to chroot inthe partition to rescue it
[21:04] <ioria> hermonethic, it's a firmware issue, i don't think i can help
[21:04] <ioria> hermonethic, you know how to set a kernel parameter in grub ?
[21:05] <hermonethic> ioria no, actually
[21:05] <katronix> oerheks, this is what I currently have, what should I keep? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/vJ97cQtGXG/
[21:06] <orogor> anyone has an idea for the chroot doing a segfault ?
[21:06] <ioria> hermonethic, sudo nano /etc/default/grub   ; that will open a file
[21:06] <oerheks> 4.4.0-159 and 166
[21:07] <hermonethic> ioria ok i did it, and the file is open
[21:07] <oerheks> linux-image-generic  <IP_ADDRESS>.174  must stay too,
[21:07] <ioria> hermonethic, check the 5th line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=   ; you should have 'quite splash' ... right ?
[21:08] <katronix> oerheks, since I'm currently using 4.4.0-64, what would I change to make it use 166?
[21:08] <hermonethic> ioria right, and yesterday i think that i remove it from the edit option in the grub tempurary
[21:08] <katronix> (I don't have physical access to the machine, would prefer not to have to do a remote re-install of the OS)
[21:08] <jsphillips86> Building a new gaming pc. Can someone look at my hardware list and let me know if they see any problems? I can look everything up one at a time, but hoping someone can save me the reasearch time.
[21:08] <ioria> hermonethic, so what you have now ?
[21:08] <jsphillips86> https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FypV6R
[21:09] <hermonethic> ioria yesterday it was temporary, now i have the quiet splash in the 5th line
[21:09] <ioria> hermonethic, ok... add this     dis_ucode_ld   after  splash
[21:10] <tomreyn> jsphillips86: can you /join #ubuntu-offtopic please
[21:10] <ioria> hermonethic, but inside the quotes
[21:10] <ioria> hermonethic, the line should be like this : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash dis_ucode_ld"
[21:11] <hermonethic> ioria ok did it
[21:11] <ioria> hermonethic, sudo update-grub
[21:11] <hermonethic> ioria just exit and then run the command
[21:12] <ioria> hermonethic, what ?
[21:12] <hermonethic> is it saved automaticlly?
[21:12] <ioria> hermonethic, you need to save it, yes
[21:12] <ioria> hermonethic, ctrl+x   then 'y'
[21:12] <hermonethic> ioria can you please tell me how ? cus i didnt see . ok thanks
[21:13] <ioria> hermonethic, press    ctrl+x
[21:13] <tomreyn> ioria: missing an R there, it's dis_ucode_ldr
[21:13] <tomreyn> hermonethic: ^
[21:14] <hermonethic> ok edit again
[21:15] <ioria> hermonethic, press    ctrl+x
[21:15] <hermonethic> and also updated the grub
[21:15] <hermonethic> ioria yes i did and update
[21:15] <ioria> hermonethic, sudo reboot
[21:15] <hurricanehrndz> what is the the recommend method of deleting the user.slice cgroup from resources such cpu,cpuacct
[21:15] <ioria> hermonethic, sy, i'am heading out... hope you solve it
[21:16] <hermonethic> ioria thank you very much
[21:16] <ioria> hermonethic, if you don't solve now, come back tomorrow
[21:17] <hermonethic> thanks you again you help me a lot
[21:18] <oerheks> hurricanehrndz, more a question for #ubuntu-server
[21:18] <hermonethic> it didnt help.. maybe the laptop cant run ubuntu.. is it possible that ubuntu 19.04 lts will be better for me ?
[21:21] <hurricanehrndz> oerheks, thanks will ask there although this is an issue on xfce
[21:27] <tomreyn> hermonethic: would you like to try something else?
[21:30] <tomreyn> hermonethic: 19.04 is not an !LTS release. only even year april releases are LTS releases. so the (20...18, month 04) 18.04 LTS release was the latest, the next will be 20.04 LTS. you can try 18.04 LTS, sure. the problem is really with your firmware, but maybe 18.04 LTS boots a little different, so there's a bit of a chance this could make a difference.
[21:32] <tomreyn> hermonethic: had you actually posted those journalctl logs?
[21:42] <mat88> Hello, I have a small problem, when I start the system a message appears to me "System Program Problem Detected", when I click on report nothing happens
[21:43] <mat88> When I go to /var/crash I see some files, should I just delete it ? Or it's a bug ? It happens to me on mate 19.10 and xubuntu 18.04 . Could be a problem with my setup ?
[21:48] <R13ose> How do I project a screen to a projector?
[21:51] <mat88> R13ose, what is the problem ?
[21:52] <tomreyn> mat88: you can delete those files, but it may happen again. application crashes are handled by whoopsie, apport (ubuntu-bug) lets you report them
[21:52] <R13ose> mat88: I can't see the projector in my display settings
[21:52] <mat88> Open the monitor settings after connect the projector probably in there
[21:52] <mat88> well
[21:53] <R13ose> I did
[21:53] <oerheks> if this is a laptop, does it have a FN + screen key? internal/external/both hardware combo
[21:54] <mat88> R13ose, Oh sorry, I thought would be a simpler problem
[21:54] <R13ose> Nioe
[21:55] <DonaldKBrown> I just upgraded to 19.10, and I'm seeing my unmounted volumes (network drives from associated Google accounts with Gnome) appear in my side-bar. I tried using gsettings but got No such schema “org.gnome.nautilus.desktop”. How can I get rid of these icons?
[21:55] <mat88> @tomreyn, How do I report ? The files seems different in different distros
[21:55] <oerheks> DonaldKBrown, remove them from fstab?
[21:56] <oerheks> !fstab
[21:56] <R13ose> oerheks: nope
[21:56] <DonaldKBrown> These aren't volumes that are in fstab.
[21:56] <tomreyn> mat88: ubuntu-bug /var/crash/filename.crash
[21:56] <tomreyn> mat88: you'll need to replace "filename"
[21:56] <DonaldKBrown> Even if they were, though, they shouldn't be appearing in my side-bar because they weren't displaying before. This is a new change in 19.10.
[21:57] <mat88> Ok, I will try it
[21:57] <oerheks> network drives from associated Google accounts .. systemsettings > online accounts ?
[21:57] <DonaldKBrown> Yep.
[21:58] <oerheks> i see google there..
[21:58] <doug16k> DonaldKBrown, are they on removable drives?
[21:58] <oerheks> why do those sidebar icons bother you?
[21:58] <DonaldKBrown> doug16k No, they are Google drive mounts that are available by adding an Online Account.
[21:58] <R13ose> What do I do?
[21:59] <DonaldKBrown> They are bothering me because They clutter up my sidebar. My sidebar should be open apps and favorites only.
[21:59] <oerheks> R13ose, no idea, test the beamer on an other machine?
[21:59] <DonaldKBrown> These are not favorites, I rarely connect to them, and I don't like the clutter.
[21:59] <oerheks> sparse info how connected, what ubuntu version..
[22:00] <R13ose> There isn't one
[22:01] <DonaldKBrown> I added the accounts through Settings > Online Accounts back in 18.04. I just did the upgrade from 19.04 to 19.10 today, and they appeared. First time I've seen them there.
[22:01] <DonaldKBrown> I'll figure it out later, gotta get going for now.
[22:03] <mat88> @tomreyn, Now there's 3 files, finename.crash filename.upload filename.uploaded
[22:03] <mat88> Is that it ?
[22:07] <tomreyn> mat88: yes, it was now uploaded
[22:08] <tomreyn> meaning it shouldn't prompt you about this one again for now
[22:08] <R13ose> What should I do?
[22:08] <mat88> I thought I should report something in launchpad
[22:09] <mat88> @tomreyn, thanks, what was strange is that the apport should do it automatically
[22:10] <tomreyn> mat88: if you had a look at the list of bugs in the bug reporter you'd not be surprised.
[22:12] <Cheez> Hmm, i have a 18.04 server kernel panicking after about an hour or 2 uptime. "kernel panic - not syncing: corrupted stack end detected inside scheduler." everything i'm seeing on google is about vmware, but this is a physical box.
[22:12] <Cheez> any ideas where that could be coming from? ram issues? disk issues?
[22:13] <tomreyn> Cheez: see what else was logged during this kernel session. if there's nothing else looking serious, you may need to run a memtest
[22:13] <doug16k> I vote memtest
[22:15] <Cheez> immediately before the kernel panic memcached sent a line to dmesg. "traps: memcached[2470] general protection p:[address] sp:[address] error:0" but that's the only thing logged anywhere that could be it
[22:15] <Cheez> hmm, i hope the os image has memtest, it's a remote server, and the remote management card is painful to use.
[22:15] <doug16k> GP fault in user mode? ouch
[22:16] <doug16k> an extremely invalid pointer can cause that on x86_64
[22:16] <doug16k> "non canonical" pointer is the term
[22:17] <doug16k> bit 63 thru 48 must be the same as bit 47
[22:18] <kadiro> any fix yet for this outdated bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1129157
[22:19] <tomreyn> kadiro: on the top of this bug report you can see it's a duplicate report. then you can click on this link and look at the duplicate report.
[22:20] <tomreyn> and then you will see this bug has since been fixed (in 2013)
[22:20] <aleksandrdvorkin> i cannt find which library i need VLC build exiting with erorr on Rijndael-ssse3-amd64.c
[22:20] <kadiro> tomreyn> I did see that i removed the whoopsie thing but the problem was not solved
[22:20] <tomreyn> aleksandrdvorkin: still trying to build vlc? did you ask on their channel, as i suggested the first time?
[22:21] <tomreyn> kadiro: then concentrate on the problem and allow the thought that it can be a different issue.
[22:22] <aleksandrdvorkin> sorry
[22:22] <aleksandrdvorkin> wrong channel
[22:22] <kadiro> tomreyn> the issue is the delay between the message boot and the lightdm to show up, at least it mast be some message showing what is going on
[22:23] <kadiro> must*
[22:24] <tomreyn> kadiro: are you saying your system is booting too slow?
[22:24] <Cheez> running memtest now, fingers crossed
[22:24] <saor> Easy, never reboot, become lord of uptime
[22:25] <kadiro> tomreyn> yes but not that just the gap between the boot message and lightdm session
[22:25] <kadiro> saor> this is a desktop not a phone or a laptop
[22:26] <tomreyn> kadiro: which ubuntu relese is this, which hardware, which ubuntu flavour, how long does the boot process take?
[22:26] <kadiro> tomreyn> xubuntu 18.04
[22:27] <kadiro> Startup finished in 6.853s (kernel) + 1min 8.163s (userspace) = 1min 15.016s graphical.target reached after 59.930s in userspace
[22:27] <saor> 'systemd-analyze blame'
[22:27] <aleksandrdvorkin> very silent on VLC
[22:27] <aleksandrdvorkin> #videolan
[22:28] <kadiro> saor> doesn't give a useful result
[22:28] <saor> Nothing taking a weirdly long time?
[22:29] <kadiro> saor> networkd-dispatcher taking about 19s but that looks ok to me
[22:29] <kadiro> saor> I want to know what is there when the black screen show up than tty1 show up and then the lightdm session come
[22:30] <kadiro> no message showing what is going on
[22:34] <saor> Does 'lightdm --debug --test-mode' output anything interesting?
[22:38] <doug16k> kadiro, is that on an SSD?
[22:38] <kadiro> doug16k> no it is a normal sata drive
[22:38]  * tomreyn waiting for hardware details since '99
[22:39] <kadiro> saor> it gives this: Running inside an X server requires Xephyr to be installed but it cannot be found.  Please install it or update your PATH environment variable.
[22:40] <saor> Interesting i'm running xubuntu 18.04 as well and i get no Xephyr error. Might be worth looking into.
[22:44] <doug16k> how far back is "systemd-analyze blame" showing? I'm seeing a ridiculously long fstrim.service. that's a weekly thing right?
[22:44] <doug16k> 2m 42s
[22:45] <saor> ouch
[22:45] <doug16k> 493GB free on 1TB 960 pro nvme ssd
[22:46] <R13ose> If the projection works, the display settings should show this as the second screen, right?
[22:50] <Cheez> hmm, memtest got about half way through then powered down the server
[22:50] <Cheez> like, full power down
[22:50] <Cheez> i think that might mean i need to replace ram or something
[22:50] <kadiro> tomreyn> the hardware is a desktop ms7529 machine
[22:51] <Cheez> ill raise a ticket with the provider methinks :p
[22:51] <kadiro> but i don't think is related to my situation
[22:54] <doug16k> saor, funny thing is, systemd-analyze says "graphical.target reached after 7.953s in userspace". blame must be showing a longer period of time
[22:56] <tomreyn> Cheez: yes you should
[22:57] <R13ose> Can anyone help me with the projection of screen?
[22:58] <saor> Very interesting, not sure about how long the period of time is would need to dig though the manual
[22:59] <misakammmm> Hi folks, I ran into problem after updating to 19.10: when I switch keyboard gnome crashes and the log shows "assertion 'CLUTTER_IS_STAGE (stage)' failed; removing ~/.config/dconf/user would help booting into desktop environment, but crashes again if switch keyboard. I did see a merged PR on Gnome gitlab (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/764), but the latest version on apt still won't help - any suggestions?
[22:59] <sarnold> R13ose: look around for a tiny picture of a projector on your keyboard, you may need to hit fn+f7 or something similaer
[22:59] <tomreyn> kadiro: one minute boot for userspace on an old system with hdds sounds fine to me.
[23:00] <kadiro> may be my graphical target is the one to blame, but as it is just an integrated intel it must be supported by linux
[23:00] <kadiro> tomreyn> but i need to know what's going on when it is black screen
[23:00] <tomreyn> kadiro: why?
[23:01] <kadiro> I removed the quiet splash to see anything happen
[23:01] <kadiro> tomreyn> to know and may be to fix or accept it as is
[23:01] <tomreyn> i don't think there is any problem here.
[23:02] <kadiro> to you yes, to me no
[23:03] <tomreyn> no, no, there's no problem to me.
[23:03] <kadiro> debian boot faster if that make any difference
[23:03] <kadiro> :))
[23:03] <saor> anything can boot faster if you put some effort in so thats kinda irrelevent
[23:03] <oerheks> R13ose, we need more info, how did you connect it, and on what machine/laptop?
[23:04] <kadiro> saor> I didn't, it is just come to be faster
[23:05] <saor> My vanilla arch install boots very quickly ;)
[23:05] <kadiro> good
[23:05] <saor> But its also irrelevent
[23:05] <kadiro> did you know why it is faster than your buntu
[23:06] <saor> my xubuntu 18.04 is also faster than your xubuntu 18.04 and thats also irrelevent
[23:06] <kadiro> saor> you can just ignore me when you don't know the answer, thanks
[23:07] <saor> Your not my mom
[23:07] <kadiro> nor you are my son
[23:08]  * tomreyn spreads some love
[23:08] <saor> exactly then dont tell me what to do
[23:08]  * saor loves on tomreyn
[23:08] <kadiro> saor> don't follow me, problem solved
[23:08] <saor> lol
[23:27] <tecywiz121> Hey! I unfortunately had to step away earlier. Hey! I've just installed 19.10 on a Dell XPS 15 9570. I switched to the proprietary nvidia drivers, and now graphics don't appear after a suspend/resume (though SSH sHey! I unfortunately had to step away earlier. I've just installed 19.10 on a Dell XPS 15 9570. I switched to the proprietary nvidia
[23:27] <tecywiz121> drivers, and now graphics don't appear after a suspend/resume (though SSH still works.) I've tried with 435 and 440. I've updatedtill works.) I've tried with 435 and 440. I've updated my bios to 1.13.0. Any help would be appreciated!
[23:27] <tecywiz121> Uh, sorry for the double post.
[23:29] <R13ose> A mac worked
[23:30] <R13ose> Lenovo/ThinkPad
[23:30] <R13ose> The picture shows up when I do fn+f7 but when I switch, it doesn't work
[23:37] <R13ose> Why would a mac laptop work but not my PC laptop?
[23:42] <sarnold> R13ose: sometimes external displays from a laptop require using an nvidia gpu that's onboard, and that may not just work depending upon what choices were made during install
[23:43] <R13ose> I am using Intel graphics I believe
[23:44] <sarnold> check lspci or lshw to see if you've also got an nvidia onboard
[23:53] <R13ose> Will I need to install nvidia drivers if I do?
[23:55] <sarnold> R13ose: i'm not sure. maybe the neauvuea drivers will suffice
[23:55] <sarnold> I've gone out of my way to make sure i odn't buy nvidia video cards to avoid learning :)