[06:00] <kjackal> Hello Juju World!
[08:06] <jamespage> o/
[08:30] <magicaltrout> https://ibin.co/2sQKsBt5MB9f.jpg blind IRC for Lasek people
[08:30] <magicaltrout> officially the largest IRC client in the world I reckon
[08:41] <gnuoy> Hi, I'm using Juju 2.0-beta15-0ubuntu1~16.04.1~juju1 with the openstack provider. There are multiple networks defined so I'm using "--config network=<network UUID>" when bootstrapping. However, I don't see a way to set this as the default when deploying applications in the model. "juju model-defaults" does not list 'network' as a configurable option. Trying to set it results in 'key "network" is not defined in the known model configuration'
[08:42] <gnuoy> I'll report a but unless I'm doing something obviously wrong?
[08:49] <gnuoy> ok, so I can set the default when creating the model rather than adding the default afterwards, thats ok. I see network in model-defaults now too. Seems like a bug that you can't add a value to the models defaults after creation
[08:59] <BlackDex> Hello there. Is it possible to have lxc deployed charms to have a static ip instead of dhcp? This incase the dhcp is offline and you need to reboot/restart stuff?
[09:05] <magicaltrout> awww
[09:06] <magicaltrout> marcoceppi: I think the charm dev aws stuff has run out of room :'(
[09:06] <magicaltrout> one of those days when I could do with a MAAS server under my desk
[09:17] <magicaltrout> okay I have no clue
[09:17] <magicaltrout> every machine in aws and lxd ends up in error state
[09:27] <magicaltrout> kjackal: where can I look to find some logs regarding why my machines are failing to bootstrap?
[09:27] <magicaltrout> s/bootstap/get allocated
[09:27] <kjackal> let's see..
[09:28] <kjackal> magicaltrout: which provider are you using?
[09:28] <magicaltrout> I've tried AWS, now trying LXD
[09:28] <magicaltrout> I get bootstrapped
[09:28] <magicaltrout> but if I try and deploy something if just lands in an error state
[09:28] <kjackal> Juju keeps logs all machines under /var/log/juju/all-machines.log (think)
[09:28] <magicaltrout> I thought it was because the AWS for Charm Devs might have been full up
[09:28] <magicaltrout> on the bootstrap node kjackal ?
[09:29] <kjackal> yes, on the coordinator
[09:29] <magicaltrout> how do I ssh to that these days?
[09:29] <kjackal> wait, wait
[09:29] <kjackal> on your local client not the coordinator
[09:29] <magicaltrout> hmm
[09:29] <kjackal> do you have enything under /var/log/juju ?
[09:30] <magicaltrout> I don't have a /var/log/juju to start withj
[09:30] <magicaltrout> oooh
[09:30] <magicaltrout> hold on
[09:30] <magicaltrout> formatting status to json
[09:30] <magicaltrout> gives me an error
[09:31] <magicaltrout> thats a bit $hit
[09:31] <magicaltrout> surely those errors should be more obvious
[09:31] <kjackal> what juju version are you using?
[09:31] <magicaltrout> beta15
[09:32] <magicaltrout> I was using 9 earlier when my problems began
[09:32] <kjackal> ls -ld  /var/log/juju*
[09:32] <magicaltrout> I worked yesterday on AWS fine
[09:32] <magicaltrout> today it doesn't like me
[09:32] <magicaltrout> no such file or directory
[09:33] <kjackal> nothing under var log!
[09:33] <magicaltrout> no
[09:33] <magicaltrout> i have no logs
[09:33] <magicaltrout> I'm old enough to know where to look by default ;)
[09:34] <magicaltrout> thats on my client
[09:34] <magicaltrout> on the controller I'm sure there are lgos
[09:34] <magicaltrout> logs
[09:34] <kjackal> :) I am sorry did not meant any offence
[09:34] <magicaltrout> hehe I'm only messing
[09:34] <magicaltrout> i looked there first, clearly on the units etc they exist when stuff breaks
[09:34] <magicaltrout> but it doesn't seem to aggregate on the client
[09:35] <magicaltrout> anyway, it claimed there were missing tools, so I've rebootstrapped with --upload-tools
[09:35] <magicaltrout> see if it unbreaks it
[09:35] <magicaltrout> I don't understand why the tabular status doesn't tell you the error message though
[09:35] <magicaltrout> that seems a bit silly
[09:36] <kjackal> I am still on Juju 1.25. The lxd provider on Juju 2.0 had a bug that must have been fixed by now, but haven't tested it yet
[09:36] <magicaltrout> you going to pasadena this year kjackal ?
[09:37] <kjackal> Yeap, will we see you there?
[09:37] <magicaltrout> I've been using betaX and LXD for 6 months, normally pretty stable
[09:37] <magicaltrout> hope so kjackal else someones wasted a lot of money on flights for me
[09:37] <magicaltrout> yeah, I submitted a couple of talk proposals
[09:37] <magicaltrout> so hopefully I'm demoing something
[09:38] <magicaltrout> I worked most of yesterday on finishing up DC/OS for Mesosphere EU on the 31st
[09:38] <kjackal> :) The problem we had with juju 2.0 and lxd was that the machine could not immediately resolve its hostname. We had to wait or reboot the container. have you noticed any similar behavior?
[09:38] <magicaltrout> ah yeah
[09:38] <magicaltrout> but I get that in AWS as well now
[09:38] <magicaltrout> I saw that yesterday
[09:40] <kjackal> magicaltrout: Well done on Mesosphere EU!
[09:40] <magicaltrout> hehe
[09:40] <magicaltrout> its pretty crazy this month
[09:41] <magicaltrout> I'm doing Amsterdam on the 31st for Mesos, London on the 1st for Pentaho, then Pasadena for Charmers summit
[09:41] <magicaltrout> I've got 2 or 3 more talk submissions to write for this year as well
[09:41] <magicaltrout> Big Data Spain and ApacheCon EU
[09:41] <magicaltrout> oh and I'm doing Pentaho Europe Community Meetup in November
[09:42] <kjackal> BigdataWeek London is too close for you? :)
[09:43] <magicaltrout> yeah thats a Bigstep thing, Meteorite runs its servers on bigstep but they've lagged on Ubuntu support which is a pain for development
[09:44] <magicaltrout> they told me the other week they were getting Xenial tested so hopefully I can turn our Bigstep servers into Juju managed DC/OS clusters soon
[09:44] <kjackal> But overall your schedule is crazy!!!
[09:44] <magicaltrout> lol
[09:44] <magicaltrout> thats pretty normal ;)
[09:45] <magicaltrout> I blame jcastro he said "submit some talks on Juju and I'll help you get to them"
[09:45] <magicaltrout> so I did
[09:45] <magicaltrout> and they got accepted ;)
[09:46] <magicaltrout> hmm the BDW CFP is still open
[09:46] <magicaltrout> maybe I shall submit a paper ;)
[09:46] <kjackal> Lol!!!
[09:47] <kjackal> Oh, I have a chalenge for you! http://bigdata.ieee.org/ its for next year!
[09:48] <magicaltrout> cool
[09:48] <magicaltrout> I'll think of something
[09:49] <magicaltrout> I'm happy to talk at conferences though so if people have good ones for a non canonical employee to speak at I'm happy to pitch a talk
[09:51] <magicaltrout> I'm also giving a presentation to the JPL team when i'm in Pasadena next month
[09:51] <magicaltrout> so I plan to show off the DC/OS, Kubernetes stuff as I'm getting them all involved in docker stuff
[09:51] <magicaltrout> but currently the deploy to single hosts
[09:52] <magicaltrout> and I'm trying to get them down to the summit, but I need jcastro to publish the schedule so I can tempt thjem
[09:52] <magicaltrout> them
[09:56] <kjackal> crazy!
[09:58] <magicaltrout> I get bored when I just work on one thing
[09:58] <magicaltrout> so doing a bunch of different stuff and going to conferences at least keeps my schedule varied
[10:16] <andrey-mp> jamespage: Hi! I've asked a question in the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348336/6/metadata.yaml - how to connect glance-charm to cinder-charm in case of implementing one additional relation with subordinate property when no other configuration is needed.
[10:17] <jamespage> andrey-mp, hey!
[10:17] <jamespage> andrey-mp, sorry for the silience - I've been away for the last week or so...
[10:17] <jamespage> andrey-mp, could you join #openstack-charms please?
[10:18] <andrey-mp> sure
[10:44] <bbaqar> hi guys. i need to add an interface to the lxc created by juju and connect it to an underlying bridge
[10:47] <bbaqar> If i add "lxc.network.type = veth lxc.network.link = br2 lxc.network.flags = up"  to  /var/lib/lxc/juju-machine-8-lxc-8/config
[10:47] <bbaqar> would that do the trick
[10:53] <magicaltrout> rick_h_: can you or somebody explain multi series charm publishing please :)
[12:05] <bbaqar> guys i configured cinder using its juju charms correctly .. i then removed the charms because i wanted to deploy the service somewhere else .. now when i am deploying the charms again keystone is not passign the req relation data to cinder
[12:05] <bbaqar> Missing required data: admin_user service_port admin_tenant_name auth_port admin_password auth_host service_host
[12:08] <bbaqar1> guys i configured cinder using its juju charms correctly .. i then removed the charms because i wanted to deploy the service somewhere else .. now when i am deploying the charms again keystone is not passign the req relation data to cinder
[12:08] <bbaqar1> Missing required data: admin_user service_port admin_tenant_name auth_port admin_password auth_host service_host
[12:11] <rick_h_> magicaltrout: sure thing
[12:12] <rick_h_> magicaltrout: so the only trick is that you claim the charm supports multiple series and when you publish the charmstore stores it under those different urls
[12:12] <magicaltrout> so, I tell it it supports Wily and Xenial, but then when I "push" I push the Wily one
[12:13] <magicaltrout> is that correct? or am I going wrong somewhere?
[12:13] <magicaltrout> I suspect I've ballsed up somewhere
[12:13] <magicaltrout> charm push . cs:~spicule/dcos-master
[12:15] <rick_h_> magicaltrout: leave the series out of the push
[12:15] <rick_h_> magicaltrout: yes, just push like that, without any series and let the charmstore figure out where to put it
[12:15] <magicaltrout> interesting
[12:15] <magicaltrout> so then if I want to push xenial
[12:15] <magicaltrout> I just go to the xenial directoryu
[12:15] <magicaltrout> and do the same?
[12:15] <rick_h_> magicaltrout: if it's a multi-series charm you just push it once. You declare in the metadata.yaml which series you suport
[12:15] <magicaltrout> or does it happen in one push?
[12:16] <magicaltrout> okay, cool
[12:16] <rick_h_> magicaltrout: and then when you push, the charmstore reads that file and puts it in all the right places
[12:31] <godleon> Hi all, I got following error message when type "juju --debug status"
[12:31] <godleon> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/babPt2OC/
[12:32] <godleon> is there any way to fix it? I'd be very appreciated for any hint or help. Thanks!
[12:32] <godleon> It seems juju bootstrap node was gone forever.... ?
[12:33] <jcastro> magicaltrout: heya, did the jpl guys confirm if they're coming to the summit? If so can you have them register so I have the food count right?
[12:40] <magicaltrout> jcastro: I don't know yet, have you got a schedule together (even something half done)? I want to blast around an email today or tomorrow but I'd like some content for the sales pitch, not just "turn up it'll be cool" ;)
[12:40] <jcastro> I'll have a schedule for you today
[12:41] <jcastro> I just drafted it on friday
[12:41] <magicaltrout> thanks
[12:45] <beisner> hi marcoceppi, tvansteenburgh - do you have an eta for the next charm-tools pypi release?  there are some fixes in master that we need to unblock osci (virtualenvs).
[13:11] <tvansteenburgh> beisner: i defer to marcoceppi on that one
[14:05] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - i'm here whenever you're ready to talk dee cee oh ess
[14:06] <magicaltrout> hmm sooooo lazyPower
[14:06] <magicaltrout> I tweaked some stuff
[14:06] <magicaltrout> some things just plain don't work yet, but the main subsystems work
[14:06] <lazyPower> Its a start right? :)
[14:06] <magicaltrout> I did find they've dropped K8S support for now annoying =/
[14:06] <lazyPower> oh really?
[14:07] <lazyPower> thats interesting, there are still mesosphere people attending their sig groups. I wonder what brought that on
[14:07] <magicaltrout> yeah the more recent versions of DC/OS Mesos have some incompatabilities
[14:07] <magicaltrout> but they are trying to garner support on the GH project
[14:07] <lazyPower> must be pending additional work w/ the scheduler
[14:07] <magicaltrout> so its not gone, its just missing stuff
[14:07] <magicaltrout> anyway
[14:07] <magicaltrout> you can spin up dcos-master & dcos-agents
[14:07] <magicaltrout> they should both be in the CS
[14:08] <magicaltrout> I lie
[14:08] <magicaltrout> the agents aren't
[14:08] <magicaltrout> 2 mins I'll push them
[14:08] <magicaltrout> don't try it in lxd you won't get very far
[14:08] <lazyPower> i'm painfully aware of that
[14:08]  * lazyPower points at the very expensive k8s bundle that wont properly run in lxd today
[14:09] <magicaltrout> okay agents should be alive
[14:10] <magicaltrout> you have to have 1, 3 or 5 masters
[14:10] <magicaltrout> and any number of agents
[14:10] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - no bundle?
[14:10] <magicaltrout> not yet I have a day job :P
[14:10] <lazyPower> not even a minimal "use this to kick the tires" formation?
[14:11] <magicaltrout> the most mimimal is 1 master - 1 agent and a relation
[14:11] <magicaltrout> even you can manage that ;)
[14:12] <lazyPower> You're giving me a lot of credit
[14:12] <magicaltrout> hehe
[14:12] <magicaltrout> anyway, I have a bunch of stuff on my backlog, like, I ripped out a master today to see what happened
[14:12] <magicaltrout> it locked me out :)
[14:12] <lazyPower> we face similar issues with the k8s bundle
[14:13] <lazyPower> nuke a master and you lose PKI
[14:13] <magicaltrout> that said, if you have masters fail in DC/OS proper, you can't add new ones, so I reckon I'm on feature parity there ;)
[14:13] <magicaltrout> the fact you can add-unit on the masters is already something you can't do in DC/OS officially
[14:14] <lazyPower> magicaltrout https://gist.github.com/chuckbutler/ae49b395648a07222b149978c27c5402
[14:14] <lazyPower> mind pushing that up @ your namespace? :)
[14:14] <magicaltrout> ta
[14:15] <lazyPower> feel free to remix the machine constraints
[14:15] <lazyPower> that might be the slowest dc/os cluster you ever deploy in your life
[14:15] <lazyPower> seconded only by.... rpiv1's
[14:15] <magicaltrout> hehe
[14:16]  * lazyPower gives it a whirl
[14:16] <lazyPower> here goes something
[14:25] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - are these in a github repo somewhere?
[14:26] <magicaltrout> yup
[14:27] <magicaltrout> https://github.com/buggtb/dcos-master-charm
[14:27] <magicaltrout> apologies in advance for the crazy hacks and bad code quality, I've not had chance to tidy it up yet ;)
[14:28] <magicaltrout> https://github.com/buggtb/dcos-agent-charm
[14:30] <lazyPower> no stress amigo
[14:30] <lazyPower> just filing bugs as i find them so we have somewhere to start :)
[14:30] <magicaltrout> cool
[14:31] <magicaltrout> I've not tried it outside of wily by the way, so your xenial test is the first blast at something a bit more modern
[14:31] <lazyPower> heh
[14:31] <lazyPower> thats an interesting perdicament
[14:32] <magicaltrout> when i started using it Xenial images weren't in EC2 and Trusty doesn't work
[14:32] <magicaltrout> so technically it should "probably" work :)
[14:33] <magicaltrout> it was an upstart/systemd thing
[14:36] <lazyPower> ack
[14:36] <lazyPower> looks like it needs a bump for pip out the gate
[15:03] <sra> hii all, I am trying to deploy openstack using juju "openstack-base bundle" all services are in pending state
[15:03] <sra> how much time it will take to deploy openstack?
[15:03] <sra> please someone help
[15:04] <rick_h_>  sra some 30+minutes I think
[15:04] <Odd_Bloke> Depends on your substrate, as well.
[15:05] <sra> rick_h: I am deploying juju openstack on vm which has 6 GB RAM and 80 GB Disk
[15:05] <sra> it will cause any issues
[15:06] <rick_h_> sra: 6gb of ram is very light imo
[15:06] <Odd_Bloke> When I've deployed it using lxd, I've seen it sit at 8-10GB of RAM.
[15:06] <sra> Odd_Bloke: you deployed on VM?
[15:07] <Odd_Bloke> This was lxd containers on hardware.
[15:07] <sra> Odd_Bloke: can we deploy on Vm
[15:07] <Odd_Bloke> sra: Are you saying you're trying to deploy it on to one VM?  Or you want to deploy on to multiple VMs with those specifications?
[15:08] <sra> Odd_Bloke: trying to deploy it on single VM
[15:09] <Odd_Bloke> sra: With 6GB of RAM, you aren't going to get something that works very well.
[15:09] <Odd_Bloke> If it works at all.
[15:13] <sra> Odd_Bloke: I started my deployment 1 hour back
[15:14] <sra> still all the services it is showing agent-state in "pendig"
[15:15] <sra> Odd_Bloke:  are you around
[15:15] <Odd_Bloke> sra: How are you deploying them?
[15:16] <sra> Using openstack-base bundle
[15:16] <sra> from juju-gui
[15:16] <Odd_Bloke> sra: Right, but what substrate?  EC2?  lxd?
[15:17] <sra> Odd_Bloke: lxc
[15:18] <Odd_Bloke> sra: OK, so you should be seeing that machine under a lot of load ATM.
[15:18] <Odd_Bloke> sra: As I said, I don't think 6GB of RAM is going to work.
[15:18] <Odd_Bloke> OpenStack is too complex a beast to fit in 6GB of RAM.
[15:19] <sra> Odd_Bloke: So please provide me the better requirements for deploying openStack on a single VM using JUJU OpenStack-base bundle
[15:20] <Odd_Bloke> sra: What are you actually trying to achieve?  I've had it work on a 16GB NUC, but you wouldn't actually have wanted to use that for anything serious.
[15:23] <sra> Odd_Bloke: I want to do changes to cinder charm and have to test the changes applied or not
[15:23] <Odd_Bloke> sra: Ah, OK, I see.
[15:23] <Odd_Bloke> sra: So I haven't actually used the bundles for development of OpenStack.
[15:24] <Odd_Bloke> jamespage: Perhaps you would be able to point sra at someone (or some docs) of how to get set up to do OpenStack charm development?
[15:36] <lazyPower> sra - bare minimum you will need 12GB of ram on that unit
[15:36] <lazyPower> sra - and likely 4+ cores if you expect it to work with any reasonable efficiency
[15:36] <lazyPower> sra - additionally, if you're seeing lxd units in 'pending', can you do me a favor? run lxc list and see if the juju templates have been created. they should be listed clearly: with the phrase juju and xenial in the image name
[15:38] <sra> my Base VM has ubuntu14.04 OS will it work?
[15:38] <lazyPower> sra - i highly recommend you move to xenial so you can use the latest bits for lxd
[15:39] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: Juju<2 would be using lxc not lxd, right?
[15:39] <lazyPower> Odd_Bloke - i havent tried juju2 on trusty in quite some time
[15:40] <lazyPower> so, for completeness sake, i recommend xenial
[15:40] <lazyPower> better to have them on a series thats got more eyes on it, know what i mean? :)
[15:40] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: Right, but if sra is on trusty then I wonder if they are using Juju 1.x (and therefore lxc), rather than Juju 2 (and therefore lxd). :)
[15:40] <lazyPower> i assume that to be the case
[15:41] <lazyPower> sra can you confirm? ^
[15:42] <sra> lazyPower: yes
[15:43] <sra> i am using ubunut 14.04
[15:43] <Odd_Bloke> sra: Which version of juju are you using?
[15:43] <lazyPower> jamespage thedac wolsen - any known blockers on using juju 1.25 with lxc for openstack-base bundle deployments?
[15:43] <sra> 1.25.6-trusty-amd64
[15:43] <jamespage> lazyPower, no infact that what we verfiy on still
[15:43] <lazyPower> ok
[15:43] <lazyPower> sra - no need to upgrade according ot the potentate of our charms :)
[15:43] <jamespage> oh wait - its 16.04 based, not 14.04 based
[15:44] <lazyPower> ah
[15:44] <lazyPower> welp
[15:44] <lazyPower> perhaps upgrade and still install juju-1
[15:44] <jamespage> sra, openstack-base is not deployable in a single-vm
[15:45] <jamespage> its very much designed to be deployed on multiple servers using MAAS
[15:45] <jamespage> https://jujucharms.com/openstack-base/
[15:45] <jamespage> README has the details for the requirements
[15:45] <jamespage> if you want todo an all-in-one; https://github.com/openstack-charmers/openstack-on-lxd is your best route
[15:46] <sra> jamespage: can i deploy openstack by dragging individual components from juju gui in ubuntu14.04
[15:47] <jamespage> sra, well you can be its alot of clicking
[15:47] <jamespage> a bundle is a much better option
[15:47] <sra> jamespage: for bundle we need ubuntu16.04?
[15:48] <jamespage> sra, the latest openstack-base will deploy a 16.04 based openstack cloud
[15:48] <jamespage> sra, openstack-on-lxd requires a 16.04 host for the deployment
[15:48] <jamespage> so yeah I guess it does - sorry
[15:52] <sra> I want a basic openstack deployment for modifying cinder and test the changes using juju. So for this what I have to do Openstack deployment in ubuntu 14.04?
[15:54] <sra> jamespage: are you around
[15:54] <jamespage> sra, I am
[15:54] <sra> jamespage: I want a basic openstack deployment for modifying cinder and test the changes using juju. So for this what I have to do Openstack deployment in ubuntu 14.04?
[15:55] <jamespage> sra, I saw :)
[15:55] <jamespage> well the charms will support 14.04, its just that the bundles we publish are all baselined on 16.04
[15:56] <jamespage> sra, https://code.launchpad.net/~ost-maintainers/openstack-charm-testing/trunk
[15:56] <jamespage> has all of the bundles that most of the openstack-charmers team use for development of charms; they deploy sparse (not using LXD/LXC containers) and are designed to be deployed ontop of a cloud; we happen to use OpenStack as the base cloud as well.
[15:57] <jamespage> if you propose a change against one of the openstack charms, its the same cloud that gets used to verify the changes...
[15:57] <jamespage> http://docs.openstack.org/developer/charm-guide/ might be useful as a reference as well
[16:08] <cory_fu> kjackal, arosales: Can you remind me why I needed to email the Bigtop list about ppc64 artifacts again?  The apache-bigtop-base layer already has a repo configuration listed for ppc64el (https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-apache-bigtop-base/blob/master/layer.yaml#L42)
[16:10] <kjackal> cory_fu: If I remember correctly when we were writting the ticket we couldn't find the actual *.deb packages.
[16:10] <kjackal> cory_fu: arosales I can try to deploy something on power and see what happens if you grant me access to any such machine
[16:13] <arosales> cory_fu: as I recall it the only .debs were xenial and weren't in the latest bigtop release, perhaps that has changed
[16:16] <arosales> cory_fu: if you have a xenial ppc64el .deb we can use from bigtop today then no need to email
[16:16] <cory_fu> I'm not sure.  kwmonroe: Did you test this at one point?
[16:17] <cory_fu> arosales: Do we not have access to Power machines anymore?
[16:17] <arosales> cory_fu: we do
[16:17] <cory_fu> arosales: siteox?  stilson?
[16:21] <kwmonroe> cory_fu: sorry, i can't seem to recall the need for a ppc artifact email.  perhaps it was just to verify where we should be pulling ppc debs from, but you already know where to get them for vivid and xenial.
[16:22] <kjackal> petevg: I got this error on tha nemenode: "dpkg-query: package 'openjdk-8-jdk' is not installed" looking into it
[16:24] <arosales> cory_fu: stilson
[16:28] <petevg> kjackal: I thought that I had tested things in trusty, but I may have run my Zookeeper tests on xenial.
[16:29] <petevg> I was just playing w/ stuff on a vagrant vm, and it looks like jdk-8 isn't in trusty by default.
[16:30] <kjackal> petevg: let me understand something. In case we skip openjdk, what layer should deploy java?
[16:31] <kjackal> The base layer?
[16:31] <petevg> kjackal: apache-bigtop-base should install it.
[16:31] <petevg> kjackal: if you just got rid of the relations, you'd need to make sure that all the charms without the relation were built on top of the updated apache-bigtop-base layer.
[16:32] <jcastro> magicaltrout: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1czOlxejWRkE5tHnX8c04Xo5ZhxVe5auiDoCBqR4mN90/edit
[16:36] <kjackal> petevg: another question
[16:37] <kjackal> we set the default value for bidtop_jdk config param to openjdk 8
[16:38] <petevg> kjackal: ?
[16:38] <kjackal> in the bigtop base layer we ask bigtop to install the jdk by doing this: 'bigtop::jdk_preinstalled': not bigtop_jdk
[16:38] <bdx> good monday morning all
[16:39] <petevg> kjackal: yes. So ...
[16:39] <petevg> (Good morning, bdx)
[16:39] <bdx> I've an implementation question if anyone wants to chime in
[16:39] <kjackal> when does this "not bigtop_jdk" evaluates to false?
[16:39] <petevg> kjackal: Bigtop will install opnejdk if jkd_preinstalled is *not* true.
[16:40] <kjackal> sorry, when does this "not bigtop_jdk" evaluates to tru?
[16:40] <petevg> kjackal: When we have no value set there. When we override the value in options with an empty string.
[16:41] <petevg> By default, it should evaluate to False, which means that we do want Bigtop to install the version of jdk we specify in the config.
[16:41] <petevg> I don't like the backwards logic a whole lot, but that is how it kind of needs to work.
[16:41] <petevg> bdx: I will chime in on stuff -- don't mind kjackal and I working through some other stuff at the same time :-)
[16:42] <cory_fu> bdx: Quest away
[16:42] <kjackal> petevg: yes, agreed. Let me try to find when we empty the self.options.get('bigtop_jdk')
[16:43] <bdx> I have 3 private applications, 2 of which are rails apps, 1 is a php app. Each app has its own stack of supporting micro services (e.g. redis, postgres, es, resqueue, etc, etc)),  averaging to 5 extra supporting services (or 5 extra instances) per app
[16:43] <bdx> all three app talk to eachother, and all 3 apps have been charmed up
[16:44] <kjackal> petevg: or is this (setting the bigtop_jdk to '') expected to be a deploy-time decision?
[16:44] <petevg> kjackal: no. It is an implementation time decision.
[16:45] <kjackal> petevg: by implementation you mean?
[16:45] <petevg> kjackal: basically, with this change, by default, your bigtop based charms will not require a relation to openjdk, per cory_fu's request. You can override that in a charm by overriding the option in that charm's layer.yaml.
[16:45] <bdx> I have been experimenting with service placement; deploying everying to lxd minus the database(s) - which works well for my use case for these apps
[16:45] <bdx> heres the crux
[16:46] <kjackal> petevg: at build time?
[16:46] <kjackal> petevg: I see
[16:46] <bdx> petevg: s/implementation/orchestration/
[16:47] <petevg> bdx: got it. thx for the correction :-)
[16:47] <bdx> we currently deploy everything to aws, and use opsworks/docker to get the apps to the containers
[16:48] <magicaltrout> yeah thanks jcastro i'll blast around an email
[16:50] <bdx> I have revised theses apps to be juju deployed, but am having trouble determining how to orchestrate the apps concerning how to get my apps similarly deployed to lxd containers  at a provider agnostic level
[16:52] <bdx> this set of 3 apps need be deployed to rackspace and aws, and soon an openstack cloud per customer requirements
[16:52] <bdx> so, basically I feel like I've worked myself into a rat hole
[16:54] <bdx> I've charmed up our apps, but have no way to orchestrate with containers using Juju :-(
[16:54] <bdx> I've plans to make use of lxd-openstack
[16:55] <bdx> but that doesn't help when I have to do a KPI comparison for the apps being juju deployed vs. non-juju deployed
[16:55] <jcastro> I'd write it up and send it to the list
[16:55] <jcastro> see what other people are doing
[16:55] <bdx> jcastro: sure thing
[16:58] <bdx> petevg: do you see where this is going at least?
[17:04] <petevg> bdx: I got pulled into a meeting. Catching up ...
[17:06] <petevg> bdx: I agree that posting it to the list makes sense. I'm not sure how to untangle the containers in containers issue :-/
[17:29] <beisner> marcoceppi, do you have an eta for the next charm-tools pypi release?  there are some fixes in master that we need to unblock osci (virtualenvs).
[17:29] <marcoceppi> beisner: 10 mins
[17:29] <beisner> wooo! marcoceppi
[17:29] <marcoceppi> it's not going to be all of master, it'll be a 2.13 patch
[17:29] <marcoceppi> 2.1.3*
[17:29] <beisner> kk thx
[17:30] <marcoceppi> #219, #204, and #248 PR included
[17:33] <marcoceppi> beisner: 2.1.4 is on pypi
[17:35] <Anita_> Can we do remote_get function during relation_departed time?
[17:36] <Anita_> sorry get_remote() during relation_departed
[17:37] <marcoceppi> Anita_: potentially, I can't rememeber. I know you can't during broken, but departed may still have remote data
[17:38] <Anita_> ok that means during *relation_departed* we can get the values?
[17:39] <cory_fu> bdx: Sorry, I also got caught up in something else.  When you say you want to deploy the apps to lxd containers, how is what you're looking for different than using lxc placement directives in a bundle (https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/charms-bundles#bundle-placement-directives)?
[17:40] <Anita_> marcoceppi_: I can call relation_call function during departed and get the values?
[17:40] <cory_fu> That link again without the parens messing it up: https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/charms-bundles#bundle-placement-directives
[17:42] <Anita_> marcoceppi_:but does the producer program needs to set the values in for *relation.departed* state?
[17:43] <Anita_> marcoceppi_: currently my producer application sets the values for *relation_joined/changed* states only... So i am not sure, if I can get the values as a consumer charm during *relation_departed* state
[17:45] <Anita_> marcoceppi_:can you please confirm?
[17:56] <Anita_> marcoceppi_: currently my provider charm sets the values for *relation_joined/changed* states only... So i am not sure, if I can get the values as a consumer charm during *relation_departed* state
[17:56] <Anita_> marcoceppi_:can you please confirm?
[18:09] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: ^?
[18:13] <marcoceppi> beisner: is 2.1.4 working for you?
[18:24] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: Anita_ signed off, apparently, but the answer is that you can do get_remote (aka relation-get) during -departed but you probably shouldn't do relation-set or set new states (rather, just remove them)
[18:24] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: figured, thanks
[18:25] <beisner> marcoceppi, a couple of manual checks look good.  thank you
[18:31] <marcoceppi> beisner: I've pressed a charm snap and charm-tools deb update
[18:33] <magicaltrout> confirm it marcoceppi !!! confirrrrrrrm it!
[18:35] <magicaltrout> lazyPower: one thing I did want to mull over with you before MesosCon
[18:35] <magicaltrout> is Logstash and DC/OS
[18:36] <magicaltrout> to offer some logging
[18:36] <magicaltrout> and I'll wire up some  nagios stuff hopefully
[18:36] <magicaltrout> to demo some relations stuff
[18:39] <bdx> cory_fu: the only provider supporting lxd is openstack
[18:39] <bdx> and thats not even juju lxd
[18:40] <bdx> as far as juju is concerned, the only provider to support lxd is maas
[18:52] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - ack, when is mesoscon?
[18:55] <cory_fu> bdx: Is that true?  I thought most clouds supported lxc container placement.  Perhaps I'm still not understanding what you mean by "support lxd"
[19:05] <magicaltrout> 31st lazyPower ;)
[19:05] <bdx> cory_fu: try placing a lxd on an aws instance
[19:06] <bdx> :-(
[19:06] <cory_fu> bdx: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23079266/
[19:06] <cory_fu> That's lxc and not lxd, though.  I think we may be talking about different things
[19:36] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - ack, we have a bit of wiggle room then. let me finish up this weeks demo prep and i can context switch over to getting you hooked up with the elastic stack
[19:43] <magicaltrout> cool lazyPower i should have a few spare evenings this week to sort a bunch of the backlog out
[19:58] <beisner> marcoceppi, fleet of :boats: - thanks again!
[20:14] <lazyPower> magicaltrout \oo/,  rock on man
[20:24] <magicaltrout> not really
[20:24] <magicaltrout> i'm wiring up a CAS server for web app authentication
[20:24] <magicaltrout> its very tedious :O
[20:25] <ahasenack> hi, have you guys seen this error in a reactive charm? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23079428/
[20:25] <ahasenack> just wondering if it's a bug in how the charm is using that layer, or in the layer itself
[20:26] <ahasenack> I filed a bug against the postgresql charm for now
[20:33] <lazyPower> ahasenack - i've seen that when i've rebuilt a charm using local layers, and i didn't keep my clone in sync with whats upstream
[20:34] <lazyPower> namely, it didn't pull in a new interface it expected to have
[20:34] <ahasenack> I see
[20:35] <ahasenack> yeah, looks like a "bzr add" was forgotten or something
[20:35] <lazyPower> ahasenack - what i suggest is peek at the interface archive, give the charm a build locally using the following switches:  `charm build -r --no-local-layers` and see if that interface pops up in the assembled charm
[20:36] <lazyPower> the archive peek is to verify the interface exists and implements the missing class
[22:00] <marcoceppi> beisner: good, because it :boat:'d a while ago


[00:11] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[00:11] <ubotu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 27 Feb 18:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 23:00: Education Team | 28 Feb 08:00: Server Team | 29 Feb 01:00: Desktop Team | 29 Feb 23:00: MOTU | 05 Mar 18:00: Platform Team
[12:12] <Hobbsee> oh, next friday.  right
[13:48] <^Crash^> what is the best fast link to this server ?


[03:45] <Langjan> G'morning guys, just checking in to see who the early birds are!
[05:37] <Kilos> guten morgen
[05:39] <pavlushka> Kilos: Good Morning!!
[05:39] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[05:40] <pavlushka> Heya Kilos !
[05:41] <Kilos> whew you also speak like they yanks
[05:41] <Kilos> hey and heya
[05:41] <Kilos> too many movies
[05:49] <pavlushka> lol
[05:49] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[05:49] <andrewlsd> morning Kilos pavlushka
[05:50] <pavlushka> Kilos: May be its called love and admiration, :p
[05:50] <andrewlsd> morning Langjan
[05:50] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: Morning!
[05:51] <Kilos> andrewlsd leave him a message with maaz
[05:52] <andrewlsd> Maaz: Tell Langjan Hey Early Bird
[05:52] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Got it, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[05:55] <andrewlsd> Hi pavlushka where abouts are you (in a general/regional sense)?  ZA North/S/E/W ?
[05:55] <andrewlsd> (I'm za south)
[05:55] <Kilos> he is in bangladesh
[05:56] <andrewlsd> aah, so it _is_ your github page I found.
[05:56] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: :north east from za
[05:56] <andrewlsd> pavlushka:   :-)   "hello-insance-sanebackend....."
[05:57] <andrewlsd> s/insance/insane/
[05:57] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: lol, yes
[05:57] <andrewlsd> this is me on github: https://github.com/zerlgi
[05:58] <andrewlsd> I think I have less hair than my gravatar suggests.
[05:58] <Kilos> haha
[06:00] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: wow, I followed, :)
[06:00] <andrewlsd> not much actual code, but lots of interesting repo's starred.
[06:01] <andrewlsd> as, in "I haven't got much actual code there"
[06:01] <andrewlsd> I use git a lot though, for config management stuff like salt/chef/puppet/ansible.
[06:05] <pavlushka> hmm
[06:18] <Kilos> Maaz seen superfly
[06:18] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 11 hours, 20 minutes and 4 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-04-21 11:58:01 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-04-21 23:12:34 PDT
[06:24] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy
[07:02] <Squirm> Morning
[07:02] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[08:04] <andrewlsd>  Good morning all. LSD is looking for DevOps, configmanagment, and DBA folks (especially Postgres ). Mainly for JHB area, maybe a couple for CT.   If you're interested, feel free to check out http://www.lsd.co.za/#!careers/c1qim
[08:05] <andrewlsd> ... and if you know someone who might be interested, please pass the info on to them.
[08:19] <chesedo> morning all
[08:31] <Kilos> hi chesedo bushtech
[08:31]  * Kilos watching sharks
[08:31] <bushtech> Morning Kilos
[09:14] <Squirm> Has anyone here had any experience with an Ubuntu phone?
[09:14] <Squirm> Or Ubuntu Touch?
[09:14] <andrewlsd> not me, but I'm also keen to find out.
[09:17] <andrewlsd> Kilos: where are the sharks?
[09:17] <nlsthzn> Good morning South Africa... and happy day-after-release-day-day er...  :p
[09:17] <andrewlsd> :P nlsthzn
[09:20] <nlsthzn> :) what's up andrewlsd , all well I hope?
[09:21] <andrewlsd> yip
[09:22] <nlsthzn> glad to hear :)
[09:23] <nlsthzn> so any release parties happen / happening in SA?
[09:26] <Kilos> sharks just beat highlanders pavlushka
[09:26] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[09:28] <nlsthzn> hi uncle Kilos ... with my silly work schedule I didn't even realise it is Friday again >.<
[09:28] <nlsthzn> was caught off guard to hear there is actually some rugby on today
[09:28] <pavlushka> Kilos: yeah
[09:28] <andrewlsd> Kilos: I was thinking of the fish.
[09:29] <andrewlsd> nlsthzn: why "blog of eight"?
[09:30] <nlsthzn> andrewlsd, :) well I have always found infinity a facinating idea / concept and if there is such a thing as luck the number I would choose to represent it would be 8... and 8 kind of looks like the infinity symbol on its side so... no real reason actually :p
[09:31] <Kilos> lol
[09:33] <nlsthzn> ... but I hardly used it when I did a few years ago :/
[09:38] <Kilos> cheetahs rebels soon nlsthzn
[09:38] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos ... but I am going for a quick nap in about ten minutes, night shift starting tonight :'(
[09:39] <Kilos> rest well lad
[09:39] <nlsthzn> will try, thx :)
[09:49] <andrewlsd> nlsthzn: My son is in a couple of these: :-)  someone I didn't appear in them. https://nlsthzn.com/2012/11/26/ubuntu-quantal-launch-party-for-johannesburg-and-pretoria/#jp-carousel-207
[09:49] <andrewlsd> Maaz: tell nlsthzn : https://nlsthzn.com/2012/11/26/ubuntu-quantal-launch-party-for-johannesburg-and-pretoria/#jp-carousel-207
[09:49] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Got it, I'll tell nlsthzn on freenode
[09:50] <nlsthzn> andrewlsd, nice... I wasn't present myself as I haven't been in SA for a while but someone there submitted the photo's
[09:50] <Maaz> nlsthzn: By the way, andrewlsd on freenode told me "tell nlsthzn : https://nlsthzn.com/2012/11/26/ubuntu-quantal-launch-party-for-johannesburg-and-pretoria/#jp-carousel-207" 48 seconds ago
[09:51] <andrewlsd> maybe it was me who took the photos
[09:51] <andrewlsd> would explain why I'm not in them.
[09:51] <pavlushka> Haven't seen Xsm for a long time!!!!!!
[09:51] <andrewlsd> Xsm ?
[09:52] <pavlushka> maaz, tell Xsm that we miss him.
[09:52] <Maaz> pavlushka: Sure, I'll tell xsm on freenode
[09:53] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: you dont know xsm?
[09:53] <andrewlsd> I don't think so.
[09:54] <pavlushka> oh
[09:56] <nlsthzn> ah ok, might explain it andrewlsd (and to be honest I suspect you are right) :)
[09:58] <nlsthzn> well I go snooze, cheers all
[09:58] <andrewlsd> cheerio
[09:58] <andrewlsd> pavlushka: I couldn't find a whois entry for Xsm.
[09:59] <Kilos> haha
[09:59] <pavlushka> Kilos: tell them, :p
[09:59] <Kilos> he is only xsm when working on that hotels server
[09:59] <Kilos> wolfeyes is xsm
[09:59] <pavlushka> and now?
[09:59] <Kilos> server running fine
[10:00] <pavlushka> lol
[10:00] <pavlushka> So its wolfeyes !!!!!!!!
[10:00] <Kilos> yes
[10:01] <pavlushka> nice one, ;p
[10:01] <Kilos> when xsm comes on he needs help
[10:06] <pavlushka> maaz, tell wolfeyes that I was looking for Xsm but now I am not, :p
[10:06] <Maaz> pavlushka: Righto, I'll tell Wolfeyes on freenode
[10:06] <Kilos> haha
[10:17] <mazal> Hey all
[10:18] <Kilos> hi mazal
[10:19] <mazal> Gaanit oom
[10:40] <andrewlsd> Cape of Storms is having its first for the Winter season. Very impressive winds.
[10:41] <pavlushka> if anyone here can help me with http://askubuntu.com/questions/757279/how-to-connect-to-another-ubuntu-machine-using-the-same-router-but-one-is-connec ???
[10:41] <pavlushka> mazal, Hi!
[10:42] <andrewlsd> pavlushka: having a quick look
[10:42] <andrewlsd> pavlushka: you have to have a share.
[10:42] <andrewlsd> by default in Ubuntu you won't have anything shared.
[10:44] <pavlushka> running Xubuntu, other is Ubuntu, tell me how to share?
[10:44] <andrewlsd> right click on a folder, check if there is an option to share it
[10:44] <andrewlsd> do you want to share a folder (ie a "fileshare" )
[10:45] <andrewlsd> or do you want to give remote access via VNC?
[10:45] <pavlushka> I know it works in Ubuntu but I cant find it for Xubuntu
[10:45] <pavlushka> no, no vnc, I'll try that later if I wish.
[10:46] <andrewlsd> check if you can go Menu --> Settings --> Shared Folders
[10:47] <andrewlsd> Xubuntu's filemanager probably doesn't have the feature (or doesn't have the plugin installed by default) (since it aims to be lighter on resources)
[10:48] <pavlushka> getting nautilus right away
[10:48] <andrewlsd> why?
[10:49] <andrewlsd> you can get the settings via Control Centre
[10:51] <andrewlsd> http://pasteboard.co/nhlCSXT.png
[11:00] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: ok, machines can not ping each other through the router, what about that?
[11:01] <andrewlsd> what is each one's IP address?
[11:29] <Kilos> power back
[11:32] <andrewlsd> rewop
[11:32] <andrewlsd> ^ power backwards
[11:33] <Kilos> lol
[11:49] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: I fall asleep, sorry
[11:50] <Langjan> Hi andrewlsd thks for the early bird message
[11:51] <andrewlsd> :-)
[11:52] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: each one has 192.168.5. ip series, including the router and router is dhcp enabled but I try to connect after checking the ip on both machines.
[11:52] <andrewlsd> if ip on each is <IP_ADDRESS> then you have a problem
[11:52] <andrewlsd> they can both be 192.168.1. as long as the last number differs
[11:53] <andrewlsd> sorry. I mis-read
[11:53] <andrewlsd> what are the exact ip addresses? I suggest you use terminal and run this on each:
[11:54] <andrewlsd> ip addr show dev eth0
[11:54] <andrewlsd> ip addr show dev wlan0
[11:54] <andrewlsd> (eth0 is lan, wlan0 is wifi)
[11:54] <pavlushka> no  as dhcp is enable on the router, both machines get a random 192.168.5.** series ip when they connect.
[11:55] <pavlushka> enp2s1 is lan, wlp1s0 is wifi.
[11:55] <andrewlsd> in terminal:
[11:55] <andrewlsd> arp -n
[11:56] <pavlushka> 192.168.5.**             ether   f8:e9:03:81:d3:34   C                     enp2s1, its the router's ip address
[11:57] <andrewlsd> for example mine shows: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmn3ayz
[11:57] <andrewlsd> that means that the router seems to be doing filtering
[11:57] <andrewlsd> check wifi settings on router, disable  any "isolation" setting
[11:58] <andrewlsd> (isolation is a nice feature, protects your LAN from your wifi, in case it is not adequately protected)
[11:58] <pavlushka> mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/15979977/
[12:01] <andrewlsd> you shouldn't be getting **
[12:01] <andrewlsd> is that an Ubuntu machine?
[12:02] <andrewlsd> sorry, dumb question. you already said it was
[12:09] <andrewlsd> reconnecting in a moment
[12:11]  * andrewlsd is back
[12:16] <Kilos> andrewlsd
[12:16] <Kilos> got your thinking cap on
[12:17] <Kilos> i installed clamtk but when i start if i get and error, first it doesnt start from its icon so i started it from cli
[12:17] <Kilos> here is the error
[12:18] <Kilos> Icon 'gtk-new' not present in theme at /usr/share/perl5/ClamTk/GUI.pm line 259.
[12:18] <Kilos> i tried nano /usr/share/perl5/ClamTk/
[12:18] <Kilos> but thats empty
[12:19] <Kilos> oh lemme try with gui.pm as well
[12:19] <pavlushka> Kilos: so you fear, your machine caught virus?
[12:19] <pavlushka> Kilos: the reason to use clamtk!!!
[12:19] <Kilos> checking emails
[12:20] <Kilos> i dont want to spread anything to peeps that arent on linux
[12:20] <pavlushka> copy that
[12:21] <Kilos> can aslo check home for anything not good
[12:22] <andrewlsd> Kilos what mail provider you using?
[12:22] <andrewlsd> (many of them already scan for virii)
[12:23] <Kilos> gmail yhoo and msn i think
[12:23] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[12:23] <Langjan> Hi Kilos you ok?
[12:23] <Kilos> hhet jy dit
[12:23] <pavlushka> and andrewlsd , what about me?
[12:23] <Kilos> yes why?
[12:23] <Langjan> did the young man come around?
[12:24] <Kilos> yes he left here at 1.30
[12:24] <andrewlsd> gmail does scan already
[12:24] <andrewlsd> pavlushka: I'm waiting for your answer about "isolation"
[12:24] <Langjan> ok many thks, should be here within 30 mins or so, will confirm
[12:24] <Kilos> sec i go chase sheep
[12:24] <Langjan> make chops
[12:25] <Langjan> sheep chops pretty good if you can afford them, did Pieter bring one?
[12:25] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: sorry, I didn't follow, there was a power cut, my machine rebooted.
[12:25] <andrewlsd> ok,
[12:26] <andrewlsd> I asked you to log onto the router to disable any user/IP isolation that it might be doing
[12:26] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: on it
[12:26] <andrewlsd> pavlushka: you can check the IRC log at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/04/22/%23ubuntu-za.html
[12:27] <andrewlsd> (useful for copy-paste stuff)
[12:27] <pavlushka> but it has a sync lag, I am logging it into disk, it reloaded, I can see that.
[12:28] <andrewlsd> Yip, I think it only updates every 10-15 minutes.
[12:28] <andrewlsd> (not realtime)
[12:29] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: in my router, in wifi tab, Enable MultiAP Isolation was checked.
[12:30] <pavlushka> I have no clue about it.
[12:33] <Kilos> lol
[12:36] <andrewlsd> pavlushka: that should sort it out.
[12:36] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: I think so, :)
[12:36] <andrewlsd> once you've unchecked it (and it has updated its settings) try the ping again
[12:39] <pavlushka> Kilos: you knew that? ^
[12:40] <Langjan> your sheep Kilos ?
[12:41] <pavlushka> I am concerned Kilos ! :p
[12:42] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: yea... it works!!
[12:42] <Kilos> neighbours with our ram with them Langjan
[12:43] <Kilos> pavlushka concentrate on fixing your prob
[12:44] <Kilos> im using all the sheep to clear the weeds and long grass before winter comes
[12:44] <Langjan> So you have a ram? Mooi man, good idea
[12:45] <Langjan> Automated lawn mowers
[12:45] <Langjan> also add to fertilising
[12:45] <Kilos> yip
[12:45] <Langjan> how  many gigs your ram?
[12:46] <Kilos> yes ram is all thats left after evil neighbour with poisoned greens and dogs and theft
[12:46] <Kilos> ram to big to run away with
[12:46] <Kilos> ai!
[12:46] <Langjan> eish!
[12:46] <Kilos> about 90 kgs of ram
[12:46] <Langjan> livestock theft is a big problem
[12:47] <Kilos> yeah
[12:47] <Langjan> lots of chops there...
[12:47] <Kilos> yeah
[12:47] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: what next??
[12:47] <Kilos> thats when they steal, xmas new year
[12:47] <Langjan> whew! so where the ram going when you go to oz?
[12:48] <Kilos> he will stay with next doors sheep
[12:48] <Kilos> been there 3 weeks already
[12:48] <Langjan> ok and make more chops
[12:48] <Langjan> you got a big plot there?
[12:48] <Kilos> only that guy works 12 hour shifts so i look after them
[12:49] <Langjan> ok
[12:49] <Kilos> na i think 2.5 hectare
[12:49] <Langjan> nice, what else do you do on the plot?
[12:49] <Kilos> sleep and chat on irc
[12:50] <Langjan> no veggies, fruit?
[12:50] <Kilos> 8 pecan nut  trees
[12:50] <Langjan> bearing good?
[12:50] <Kilos> herbs and veggies on small piece
[12:51] <Kilos> yes this was a bad year but should still be about 40 kgs of nuts
[12:51] <Langjan> good, do you sell some nuts, veggies, herbs?
[12:52] <Kilos> but veggies and sheep and one naughty jersey bull calf dont work well
[12:52] <Langjan> about 5 kg per tree, what is the normal yield in a good year?
[12:52] <Kilos> no veggies we eat
[12:53] <Kilos> nuts we eat and pick up and sis bakes a with them
[12:53] <Kilos> next summer neighbour gonna pic up and sell for us
[12:53] <Langjan> Great, home-grown veggies is best.
[12:53] <Kilos> yip
[12:54] <Langjan> Good, nuts are expensive. Pieter is in town, expecting him in  a few minutes.
[12:54] <Kilos> had lots of tomatoes and bringle and peppadews and spinach and green peppers and i forget what else
[12:54] <Kilos> whew he should be in linpopo already
[12:55] <Langjan> Sounds great! Did Pieter chat for a while or just pick the drive up?
[12:55] <Kilos> bringal
[12:55] <Kilos> he foned and said where must he go
[12:55] <Kilos> haha
[12:55] <Kilos> he was at the front door
[12:55] <Kilos> we had power cut
[12:55] <Langjan> did he get lost? oh
[12:56] <Kilos> then rugby so i forgot about him
[12:56] <Kilos> whe n he foned i rushed out with drive
[12:56] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: So what to do now to have access to the other machine??
[12:56] <Kilos> he must be busy pavlushka
[12:56] <Kilos> patience
[12:57] <Kilos> Langjan with luck that drive will boot into bento
[12:58] <Kilos> i added Tannie account just in case
[12:58] <Kilos> if it works and you dont like bento you can install 14.04 32 bit
[12:59] <Kilos> that bento is 14.04
[13:00] <andrewlsd> pavlushka:  now you need
[13:00] <andrewlsd> pavlushka: now you need to decide what to share.
[13:00] <andrewlsd> pavlushka: and where to share it from.
[13:01] <andrewlsd> if sharing from Xubuntu: Menu --> Control Centre,
[13:01] <pavlushka> I already shared folder in both machines
[13:01] <andrewlsd> then search for "share"
[13:01] <andrewlsd> aah
[13:01] <andrewlsd> then browse to
[13:01] <andrewlsd> smb://192.168.5.x   (where x is the number for the other computer)
[13:02] <andrewlsd> if you're lucky you can just use the file-browser to browse the network
[13:02] <andrewlsd> and you'll find them them
[13:02] <andrewlsd> there
[13:04] <pavlushka> the browser shows the folder but dont let me in
[13:06] <andrewlsd> you need to set up a user/password that has access to the shares (or make them available to guest.
[13:08] <pavlushka> I made them available as guest, not working, I am setting a normal user now, will that do?
[13:09] <andrewlsd> no idea.
[13:09] <andrewlsd> sorry, I need to disappear.
[13:12] <Langjan> Kilos, pieter is here, many thks for the drive
[13:12] <Langjan> gonna go now, chat later
[15:03] <superfly> Why do I always miss him?
[15:08] <Kilos> who?
[15:08] <Kilos> andy?
[15:16] <pavlushka> Kilos: good news, its all done, me connecting to the other machine through ssh.
[15:16] <pavlushka> Hello superfly !!!
[15:19] <Kilos> yay
[15:20] <pavlushka> Kilos: \o/
[15:20] <pavlushka> How are you super superfly (deb)??
[15:21] <Kilos> i had hassles setting up 2 pcs to share one internet connection but the ssh worked first time
[15:21] <Kilos> direct cable connection
[15:21] <pavlushka> Kilos: no , through router, lan to wlan.
[15:22] <pavlushka> superfly: I was just kidding, would you mind, :|
[15:22] <Kilos> i used direct cable
[15:22] <Kilos> he will answer when he can pavlushka
[15:22] <Kilos> you need to write on paper patience
[15:22] <Kilos> and stic it to the top of your screen
[15:23] <pavlushka> Kilos: lol, right.
[15:23] <Kilos> you have seen on locoteams sometimes it takes all day for an answer
[15:24] <pavlushka> I was answered in #sane on the 2nd day, but all thing was quite otherwise.
[15:24] <pavlushka> ;p
[15:25] <Kilos> lol
[15:25] <Kilos> patience
[15:58] <superfly> http://imgur.com/1AARHZ5
[16:01] <Kilos> where is that superfly ?
[16:03] <superfly> That's my photo
[16:07] <Kilos> from where and of what place
[16:07] <Kilos> you have a big river running past you?
[16:09] <pavlushka> superfly: its nice, :)
[16:11] <superfly> Kilos: is a vlei. An estuary
[16:11] <Kilos> ah ty
[16:11] <Kilos> go fishing
[16:12] <superfly> It's going to be a little wet tonight
[16:12] <Kilos> lol
[16:59]  * mazal peeks in
[17:05]  * pavlushka pushes mazal back,!
[17:05]  * Cryterion watches why the pushing is going on
[17:18] <Kilos> lol
[17:22] <pavlushka> superfly: Are you angry with me? sorry superfly if i did anything you didn't like.
[17:32] <superfly> pavlushka: nope, just busy
[17:32] <superfly> I have a life outside of IRC
[17:32] <pavlushka> whew, thanks and lol, :)
[18:01] <Kilos> wb Cryterion
[18:02] <Cryterion> tks kilos
[18:02] <Cryterion> not here long, on my way out for the night :)
[18:02] <Kilos> was that a supper break
[18:02] <Kilos> enjoy
[18:03] <Cryterion> lol, going to get dinner there, was a get home from work and get ready break
[18:03] <Kilos> if you feel bad tomorrow morning you enjoyed too much
[18:03] <Kilos> ah
[18:03] <Cryterion> yeah I know
[18:04] <superfly> Supper is had, children are in bed (mostly), and now I can finally get off my feet. phew.
[18:04] <Cryterion> but can't be too late anyway, working tomorrow :(
[18:04] <pavlushka> Cryterion: goodluck, :p
[18:04] <Cryterion> tks
[18:04] <Cryterion> ok I'm out :)
[18:04] <Kilos> go safe
[18:05] <superfly> Kilos: you're a mechanic, why's my car not starting?
[18:05] <Cryterion> 500meters?
[18:05] <Kilos> what does it do superfly
[18:05]  * Cryterion thinks superfly needs to buy a bottle of blue sparks
[18:05] <Cryterion> cheers guys
[18:05] <superfly> Kilos: turns, petrol pump is working, there's electricty to the spark plugs, but it's not starting
[18:06] <Kilos> oh spark on plugs even?
[18:06] <Kilos> then its fuel
[18:06] <superfly> Kilos: based on prior experience I thought it might be the coil. replaced that, still not working
[18:06] <superfly> Kilos: full(ish) tank
[18:07] <Kilos> when you pull a plug lead off plug and hold it near metal does a spark jump
[18:07] <superfly> Kilos: I think it's my spark plugs, I took them out and cleaned them, they were very dirty :-(
[18:08] <Kilos> not often all plugs die same time
[18:09] <Kilos> when last did you change the fuel filter
[18:09] <superfly> ages ago
[18:09] <Kilos> first things first always
[18:10]  * superfly is sadly quite far behind on these things... he doesn't know and he doesn't have the money to pay someone who knows
[18:10] <Kilos> plug out and resting on engine metal
[18:10] <pavlushka> Good night guys!
[18:10] <Kilos> if it sparks then its not electrical pro
[18:10] <Kilos> b
[18:10] <Kilos> night pavlushka
[18:10] <Kilos> second ly
[18:11] <Kilos> remove fuel pipe where it comes from pump to carb and see if fuel squirts out when cranking motor
[18:11] <Kilos> fuel filters should be renewed maybe twice a year
[18:12] <superfly> Kilos: there's a spark, but I can't confirm that the spark plugs themselves are not faulty
[18:12] <superfly> Kilos: I don't have a carb... fuel injected
[18:12] <Kilos> ah
[18:13] <Kilos> fuel injection very finicky with filters
[18:14] <Kilos> there should even be one in the fuel tank
[18:15] <Kilos> or just below
[18:19] <Kilos> superfly what kinda car?
[18:19] <superfly> VW Jetta 3, '93 model
[18:20] <Kilos> if its same as jetta 2 then there is an eletrical fuel pump by the fuel tank and a filter right by it
[18:21] <Kilos> that filter is critical
[18:21] <Kilos> if blocked the pump packs up
[18:22] <Kilos> when you turn the key on you should hear it hum for a few secs
[18:22] <Kilos> that pump is very expensive
[18:22] <Kilos> was R1500 last one i bought
[18:27] <Kilos> the filter is large, not an inline filter
[18:37] <superfly> Kilos: it hums
[18:37] <Kilos> now
[18:38] <Kilos> if you had paid attention everytime it hummed since you got the car then you learn that a change in the hum means filter getting blocked
[18:38] <Kilos> not something many peeps know that arent mechanics
[18:39] <Kilos> but lets try work something out
[18:39] <Kilos> did it first start miss firing
[18:39] <Kilos> or just dead one morning
[18:43] <superfly> Kilos: it still hums the same way
[18:44] <superfly> Kilos: it was having starting issues for a few weeks before dying while running one morning, and not starting again
[18:45] <Kilos> google changing vw jetta 3 93 model fuel filter
[18:46] <Kilos> ai!
[18:46] <Kilos> Maaz google changing vw jetta 3 93 model fuel filter
[18:46] <Maaz> Kilos: "DIY: how to replace fuel filter on mk3 Vw jetta / golf - YouTube" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6p71xYdHbs :: "VW A3: Fuel Filter Removing / Checking / Replacing - YouTube" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QomHEkv7CaQ :: "How to Change a Fuel Filter : How to Remove Car Parts to Reach ..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Sir1VYqTE :: "DIY: MK4 Jetta/Golf
[18:46] <Maaz> fuel filter replacment - YouTube" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqTDo_XBCcs :: "How to…
[18:47] <Kilos> one of those can most likely explain better than i can from memory superfly
[18:48] <Kilos> pity you dont know a vw mechanic there, the guys that work on them daily can often tell just by listening
[18:48] <superfly> I've been Youtubing :-)
[18:48] <Kilos> hehe
[18:49] <Kilos> and dont bother cleaning spark plugs, change them at least yearly
[19:00] <Kilos> i hate it when everything is on youtube but for uncapped peeps i spose its great
[19:00] <Kilos> easier than trying to explain with words
[19:02] <Kilos> inetpro you can greet you know
[19:02] <Kilos> Maaz seen inetpro
[19:02] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 1 day, 2 hours and 39 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-04-21 10:02:16 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-04-17 01:09:20 PDT
[19:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:04] <inetpro> no
[19:04] <inetpro> impossible
[19:05] <Kilos> no what
[19:05] <inetpro> i was been here
[19:05] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[19:06] <Kilos> hello inetpro wb
[19:07] <inetpro> the body says it is time to go sleep but my mind tells me it is too early
[19:08] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <Kilos> what have you been doing inetpro that the body is moeg
[19:10] <Kilos> or are you getting old
[19:11] <inetpro> Kilos: the sun has gone down in the west
[19:11] <Kilos> lol
[19:12] <inetpro> it's only a metter of time until it shows up again in the east
[19:12] <inetpro> matter*
[19:12] <Kilos> yeah
[19:13] <Kilos> hi NaSb
[19:14] <NaSb> Hello Kilos
[19:14] <NaSb> It's u'r world !
[19:14] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[19:14] <Kilos> this is my home channel yes
[19:14] <Kilos> all my mentors live here
[19:15] <Kilos> i think its bed time for me
[19:15] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:16] <NaSb> Me also
[19:16] <NaSb> but 33 users are alive o.O !
[19:16] <Kilos> most of them work late hours to keep up with all the work
[19:17] <Kilos> inetpro sleep tight old man
[19:17] <inetpro> good night oom Kilos
[19:17] <Kilos> haha
[19:17] <inetpro> oops
[19:18] <Kilos> altzheimers r\creeping in


[05:17] <sexyboy> hey
[05:17] <sexyboy> is there anything i should know about making an upstart job run during boot?
[05:17] <sexyboy> because i've wrote a simple script that works when i invoke initctl manually but wont run during boot


[00:20] <nigelb> We've noticed that mails sent via https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-user-days/+contactuser are not reaching us. Any clue what's happening?
[00:22] <wgrant> nigelb: cjohnston isn't getting them?
[00:22] <wgrant> (non-member emails go to the owner)
[00:22] <nigelb> Oh, only cjohnston gets them?
[00:22] <nigelb> AHH.
[08:07] <mrevell> Morning
[08:31] <wgrant> We're about to go down for a couple of minutes for another DB upgrade.
[08:35] <wgrant> And we're back.
[08:49] <ramana> Are diffs on merge requests broken at the minute ?
[08:50] <OdyX> Hmm. Is the "launchpad has ugly fonts under konqueror" thing known
[09:05] <wgrant> ramana: We just had a database upgrade, so they may have been delayed by a few minutes for a while.
[09:05] <wgrant> ramana: Has it appeared now?
[09:05] <wgrant> OdyX: Do you have a screenshot?
[09:09] <OdyX> wgrant: http://azrael.raboud.homelinux.org/~didier/temp/ugly_launchpad.png
[09:09] <OdyX> .oO(Not that I dislike italic-bold Comic Sans'like stuff, eh)
[09:09] <wgrant> That's quite impressive.
[09:10] <wgrant> Looks like it is utterly failing at handling webfonts sensibly :(
[09:10] <wgrant> Which version of Konqueror?
[09:10] <wgrant> I've never seen anything handle it quite so terribly.
[09:10] <wgrant> And this includes IE7-9 :)
[09:10] <OdyX> wgrant: 4.6.5 , on Qt 4.
[09:10] <OdyX> 4.7.3; Debian Sid.
[09:11] <wgrant> Could you report a bug at https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug, please? Attach screenshots and that same version information.
[09:11] <OdyX> wgrant: consider that done.
[09:12] <wgrant> It looks like it's using the last font style that we request from Google.
[09:12] <wgrant> 700 italic
[09:12] <nigelb> Oh, ew.
[09:12] <wgrant> http://saveandrewgarib.com/200911/articles/550-webfonts_and_ies_stifling_practices
[09:13] <nigelb> That sounds like something I did.
[09:13] <wgrant> "Seems like there’s a problem in KHTML and webfonts. You can see in the code above that the bold version of Effloresce is listed last. That’s causing Konqueror to render all Effloresce text bold."
[09:13] <wgrant> I wonder if we can hack around it by listing normal last.
[09:14] <OdyX> #848778
[09:14] <nigelb> If I can reproduce, I'll pick the bug
[09:16]  * nigelb raises fists at KDE. 190 MB ?!?
[09:16] <nigelb> bug 848778
[18:00] <deryck> abentley, pitching it to you.
[18:01] <abentley> deryck: caught it.
[18:34] <JonOomph> Hi! I am trying to test a LaunchPad recipe using the command "bzr dailydeb openshot.recipe working-dir".  It generates a folder inside the working-dir with "{" and "}" characters.  Is there a way to configure the name of the "temporary" build folder?  On of my build steps (xml2po) breaks with "{" and "}" in the path. Thanks!
[18:48] <abentley> JonOomph: What folder is it generating?
[18:49] <JonOomph> abentley, the name of the folder it creates is "openshot-{debupstream}+{revno}+{revno:packaging}"
[18:50] <JonOomph> Or, more specifically working-dir/openshot-{debupstream}+{revno}+{revno:packaging}
[18:55] <abentley> JonOomph: No, there is no way to prevent that folder from being created in that location.
[18:56] <abentley> JonOomph: Perhaps you can delete it as one of your build steps?
[18:58] <JonOomph> abentley: Yep, that's what I'm trying now.  Thanks!
[19:00] <JonOomph> I have 1 more recipe-based question
[19:01] <JonOomph> In the Debian changelog, it puts my identity as: -- Jonathan <jonathan@jonathanubuntu64>  Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:06:00 -0500
[19:01] <JonOomph> Which is not correct.  Any thoughts on how to tell the recipe what to use?
[19:01] <bulldog98> JonOomph: set DEBMAIL
[19:01] <bulldog98> s/DEBMAIL/DEBEMAIL/
[19:02] <bulldog98> and DEBFULLNAME
[19:02] <JonOomph> Would I set this in my recipe script?  Will LaunchPad use it's own value?
[19:05] <JonOomph> I'll play around the DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME.  Thanks!
[19:13] <JonOomph> If my recipe makes use of the "run" command, will I be able to use the recipe on LaunchPad?  Or will I need to just setup a scheduled task on my computer (which uses my recipe)?  The goal is to have a daily built PPA.  Thanks!
[19:15] <abentley> JonOomph: Launchpad supplies values for that.
[19:15] <abentley> JonOomph: No, we do not support the "run" command.
[19:15] <JonOomph> thanks!
[19:18] <Odd-rationale> Quick question. How much storage space to I get on my personal bzr branches? Thanks!
[19:23] <jelmer> Odd-rationale: hi
[19:24] <jelmer> Odd-rationale: If I remember correctly there is a fair use limit.
[19:25] <Odd-rationale> jelmer: OK. Thanks. I'm not planning on putting any huge projects on there. But just wanted to know what the limits are.
[19:59] <abentley> Odd-rationale: I don't think there is a limit on bzr branches.
[20:05] <bil21al> can any body tell me how to unsubcribe the ubunut questions emails???
[20:06] <bil21al> ubuntu
[20:51] <abentley> bil21al: I don't think it's possible to subscribe to the questions for an entire distribution.
[21:36] <james_w> hi,
[21:36] <james_w> I'm getting a consistent timeout trying to register a merge proposal
[21:37] <james_w> when I registered a similar one a few minutes ago with no problem
[21:37] <james_w> is there perhaps a known bug that I may be falling foul of with a workaround
[21:38] <james_w> OOPS-2082AU857
[21:40] <james_w> hmm, maybe bug 793830
[21:40] <james_w> as I'm not using the dev focus branch
[21:48] <james_w> ok, seems to be that bug
[21:49] <james_w> the workaround was for someone else to propose the merge, someone that had the branch as a saved target and so didn't need to hit that search
[23:06] <yshavit> hi all, I'm trying to set up a sandbox lp env with the built-in bzr support. I'm told (in the lp page) that I should push using "bzr push --use-existing lp://qastaging/ysbear1", but bzr then throws an error about an invalid url supplied to transport. Am I doing something wrong?
[23:07] <yshavit> (and apologies if this should go to the bzr people, please let me know if so)
[23:14] <wgrant> yshavit: Sounds like you're running an old version of bzr.
[23:14] <wgrant> It's only know about qastaging since 2.4 or so.
[23:15] <yshavit> wgrant: ah, yeah, I'm on 2.2.4. Most recent on Ubuntu 10.04 :-\
[23:18] <yshavit> wgrant: upgraded from the bzr ppa, it works like a charm now. Thanks for your help!
[23:26] <wgrant> yshavit: Excellent.


 I have the same m-audio card and mine works
[12:04] <BluesKaj> epzil0n:  I'm also at #ubuntu
[15:29] <raven> hi
[18:33] <raven> hi
[18:37] <raven> i want to do something what is known as imposssible: repair clipping. any way to "smooth" rectangular signals and digital overflows?
[20:01] <MaynardWaters> raven: could just add fx until it sound decent again
[20:01] <MaynardWaters> or put a limiter on your system before the caputure point
[20:02] <raven> MaynardWaters not possible i get theese recordings and they are not able to adjust it
[20:03] <raven> is there no plugin i could use?
[20:03] <MaynardWaters> im not an expert in here. I dont know of any simple way to get what you are looking for.  maybe start with calf plugins and play around until you get something you like out of it
[20:10] <ailo> raven: Is there lot's of clipping?
[20:12] <ailo> If there's only a few, you could use an audio editor and use envelope on those parts. Use extreme fast fade out and fade in. If it's only a matter of 1 ms, it will not be a noticable fadeout, just a reshaping of the audio wave
[20:13] <ailo> May be there are plugins that do the same trick, but I don't know of any
[20:13] <ailo> Depends on how long the clips last too
[20:13] <raven> ailo theese are mumble recordings and mumble still has an overflow error and some people are not able to adjust it to a senseful level its terrible
[20:15] <ailo> raven: It's always fun mixing clumpsy voice tracks :)
[20:15] <raven> oh yes
[20:15] <raven> but however its no option to do it by hand
[20:16] <ailo> raven: You don't do any coding by any chance? Could be done in pure data
[20:16] <ailo> Or any other language that is ok for audio, for that matter
[20:18] <raven> i do not think that i c an get into it so fast
[20:19] <ailo> raven: Try asking on the Linux Audio User mail list. Should be the best place to ask
[20:19] <raven> ok tnx


[00:57] <xubuntu040> Hi, what are the minimum requisites for Xubuntu?
[00:57] <xubuntu040> can i install Xubuntu on 128 MB RAM?
[00:58] <Unit193> I sure wouldn't.  Can you add more?  If not, try SliTaz or Antix.
[00:58] <Unit193> ....Niiiiice.
[01:13] <sonkey4> don't ya hate that Unit193
[02:41] <pilap> Hi! I installed Samba through the software center, tried to reboot after changing some samba settings, and now I'm just getting a black screen. Any help? D:
[02:45] <pilap> Now I'm able to get to a command line, but I'm unsure HOW to uninstall what might be the offending program (sorry, linux newbie here)
[02:46] <pilap> Oh. I did sudo killall -9 Xorg and I now have the login screen. Anyone know what happened?
[02:53] <pilap> :(
[07:26] <dBLOOD> Hi people
[07:27] <dBLOOD> I have problems with galactic civilizations 2, could anyone help me×
[07:27] <dBLOOD> *?
[07:27] <dBLOOD> the game starts, but I only get a black screen
[07:27] <dBLOOD> the music goes well, but I only can see a black screen
[07:28] <dBLOOD> sorry, wrong channel
[08:32] <xubuntu088> Hello! I hope someone can help me. I want to try xubuntu on my laptop. But I don't find some infos about secure boot. Does support xubuntu 12.10 secure boot/efi boot? On google I found only infos to ubuntu with secure boot...
[08:33] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[08:33] <baizon> xubuntu088: xubuntu is a derivate, so if ubuntu supports it, xubuntu supports it too
[08:33] <baizon> btw. i have secure boot and xubuntu
[08:35] <xubuntu088> okay, I was wondering, because I read that the beta of kubuntu 13.04 get secure support support, so I want be sure that xubuntu supports it correctly.
[08:35] <xubuntu088> So thank you baizon, I will give xubuntu a try.
[10:49] <xubuntu551> Hello
[10:50] <xubuntu551> Installation freezes when I try 12.10
[10:50] <xubuntu551> and 12.04 installs correctly
[10:50] <xubuntu551> may someone help me ?
[10:51] <xubuntu551> II am french, sorry for my beginner's english
[10:52] <nick07> having problems with networking in xubuntu 12.10
[10:52] <xubuntu551> what is the problem ?
[10:53] <nick07> the problem is that files and folder stops copying from a freenas server on a local network
[10:53] <nick07> after 1 file xubuntu hangs
[10:54] <nick07> opening a file (photo) hangs gthumb
[10:54] <nick07> no thumbnail ar showed, (it is enabled in pref)
[10:54] <xubuntu551> are you sure it's not a gthumb problem ?
[10:58] <nick07_> sorry, i'm back
[10:59] <nick07_> yeah, because same happens with ristretto
[10:59] <nick07_> and copying folders en files has nothing to do with gtumb or ristretto
[11:03] <nick07_> i have xubuntu network problems
[11:04] <nick07_> like copying files and folder, images view over network ect
[11:04] <nick07_> it hangs and stops
[12:53] <ronalds> xubuntu is breez, thanks guys who made stable version
[15:43] <lbsconcept> Hello i m french
[15:44] <TheSheep> it's not your fault
[15:44] <TheSheep> !fr
[15:44] <GermainZ> LOL
[15:44] <baizon> hehehe
[15:45] <lbsconcept> Lol je debut sur irc merci je bascule
[15:46] <TheSheep> lbsconcept: bon chance
[15:46] <GermainZ> Bonne chance *
[15:51] <TheSheep> ah, gender is difficult :)
[16:33] <xubuntu431> hello, my xubuntu will not install, why does it say no disk after instalation?
[16:42] <baizon> xubuntu431: i think you didnt install grub properly
[16:42] <baizon> something went wrong with creating partitions
[16:49] <xubuntu431> thank you baizon. how do i do that? i tried installing xubuntu more than once from the live disk
[16:50] <baizon> xubuntu431: http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-xubuntu-12.04
[16:50] <baizon> at the step "Select the hard drive that you want to use for the Xubuntu installation: ", what have you chosen?
[19:19] <Magellanicus> hi everyone any tips for a new xubuntu user?
[19:33] <GridCube> Magellanicus, :) be happy, experiment, modify and feel happy :D
[19:34] <GridCube> if you are used to the ubuntu'verse you'd remember to install the restricted extras and you are done :P
[19:35] <agronholm> I had to install the prerelease 4.12 xfce just to get multimonitor support working in a relatively sane manner
[19:35] <agronholm> and then the notifier applet does not work
[19:39] <GridCube> thats to be expected
[19:39] <GridCube> 4.12 isn't even released ye
[19:39] <GridCube> t
[19:44] <CrownWheel> Anyone know where xubuntu is with support for Intel's GMA 3650 graphics accelerator?
[19:45] <CrownWheel> Old (June 2012) instructions to get partial support in Ubuntu are here: http://daily.siebler.eu/2012/06/ubuntu-12-04-driver-for-intel-cedarview-atom-n2000-und-d2000-serie/
[19:45] <CrownWheel> But...has there been any development since?
[19:51] <xubuntu086> howdy who trying out the Xubuntu 13 04
[19:58] <CrownWheel> How can I tell which video driver is currently in use?
[20:29] <n-iCe> hi
[20:32] <CrownWheel> Hey.  Anyone know what package contains the gltestperf utility?
[20:33] <CrownWheel> (I read on oasdl.org it's in mesa-demos...but there's no such package found by Synaptic)
[20:33] <n-iCe> hi CrownWheel
[20:35] <Unit193> !find gltestperf
[20:37] <CrownWheel> word.  I searched synaptic for gltestperf and mesa-demo.  No joy.
[20:37] <Unit193> glx{info,gears,heads} could be helpful, depending on what you want.
[20:37] <knome> or mesa-utils*
[20:37] <CrownWheel> I wanted the performance test benchmark.  Just got the mesa-utils, for glxinfo, to see what driver I'm using.
[20:38] <CrownWheel> But either I can't read glxinfo output (likely) or it isn't listed.  there actually ISN"T a driver listed in lshw output...
[20:38] <CrownWheel> specifically, I want to test 2D GL performance, 'cuz I understand there IS NO 3D GL driver for my Intel GMA 3650 chipset.
[20:39] <CrownWheel> so, glxgears isn't what I want.
[20:40] <CrownWheel> glxheads looks interesting...
[20:41] <CrownWheel> ok, dunb question:  what's a "good" framerate to see on glxgears?
[20:45] <knome> it's not a performance tool
[20:46] <CrownWheel> which is why I was looking for gltestperf...
[20:46] <knome> what is it what you are trying to do?
[20:48] <CrownWheel> Ultimately: get the Cederview drivers installed for my Intel GMA 3650 graphics accelerator.
[20:48] <CrownWheel> Short term: get a 2d performance tool to tell me the before and after performance.
[20:48] <CrownWheel> And the short-short term, figure out what video driver is actually loaded right now. (there's no driver listed by lshw)
[20:56] <CrownWheel> hmm.  all Cedarview driver installs appear to require modifying the kernel.  And that can't be done in a Live install from USB.  Looks like I've got to install for real to see how the Cedarview drivers work...
[21:20] <Etanol> hello could i get 7zip xubuntu?
[21:21] <Etanol> i like that way that i can select right click menu where to extract and so on
[21:21] <n-iCe> sudo apt-get install p7zip
[21:23] <MoL0ToV> i have a problem with audio of my notebook, on windows i hear with headphone and speekers, in xubuntu i can hear only with speeker but with headphone the volume is zero o think.. hoto fix?
[21:24] <n-iCe> go to sound settings and select headphones
[21:24] <n-iCe> and configurate it
[21:26] <MoL0ToV> howto?
[21:26] <n-iCe> go to sound settings and select headphones
[21:26] <MoL0ToV> where?
[21:27] <n-iCe> on your sound icon
[21:27] <novus_> cool... you can connect to irc directly from the xubuntu installer
[21:27] <MoL0ToV> is already selectd
[21:27] <MoL0ToV> selected
[22:34] <somnambulant> anyone know where gigolo mounts smb shares?.. seems to be know ~/.gvfs even thouse i have gvfs-fuse installed..


[15:13] <myesain> Is this channel active?
[15:14] <Pici> kinda
[15:14] <myesain> Kinda works :)
[15:16] <myesain> I found a bug installing the mysql-server package on a server installation, but the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs all seem to be geared toward desktop apps.
[15:16] <myesain> Should those same/similar processes follow for server apps as well?
[15:17] <Pici> myesain: ubuntu-bug should give you a cli menu to submit a bug
[15:17] <Pici> I just tested it here, looks like it works. (14.04)
[15:18] <myesain> My problem was using an apostrophe (') character in the root user password when prompted to set it up. The installation process doesn't complete,
[15:19] <myesain> and looking through the error logs, there was a command being executed where it appears the root password wasnt' being properly escaped
[15:22] <myesain> I'll reproduce the issue in a virtual machine and use ubuntu-bug to send error report. Thanks @Pici
[20:17] <kluu> exit
[22:09] <tsimonq2> enter


[01:17] <zeroedout> the requirments page is disturbing sparse and lxde.org seems down :(  I have someone with a 600Mhz processor and 192MB of ram. will lubuntu run okay?
[01:19] <MrChrisDruif> zeroedout: Aloha, the RAM I'm pretty sure is enough :)
[01:19] <MrChrisDruif> For the other I will check the wiki :)
[01:21] <MrChrisDruif> zeroedout: According to < https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System%20requirements > a Pentium II or Celeron would suffice and you'd need 128MiB RAM :)
[01:22] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know speeds of those CPU
[01:22] <MrChrisDruif> 's thou
[01:31] <zeroedout> ah sweet, thanks :D urg, it'll probably be better to do a minimal install
[01:32] <MrChrisDruif> Probably, that page should link to the minimal installation instructions
[01:34] <zeroedout> :)
[02:04] <biffbaxter> 600MHz should be fine
[02:07] <Unit193> zeroedout: Might be a tad slugish. What do you plan on doing?
[02:08] <MrChrisDruif> Running Lubuntu on it, what else would you think ;)
[02:08] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193: Aloha
[02:09] <MrChrisDruif> So....tables have turned on us :P
[02:09] <biffbaxter> flash and firefox might be a bit slow.....but the basics should be good :)
[02:40] <jmarsden> zeroedout: Lubuntu will probably run OK in 192MB,  but *installing* it will need the minimal install stuff; 192MB is not enough for Ubiquity to work in.
[02:46] <slooksterpsv> The alternate install cd would work, but, same limitations with the memory in the OS
[02:58] <zeroedout> the fellow is gonna be creating documents, burning them to cd and general web surfing
[02:59] <zeroedout> slow is acceptable for that machine
[03:29] <slooksterpsv> is there a way to change the theme on lxde where it changes the panel's look as well?
[03:59] <biffbaxter> you can right click on the panel and go to panel settings
[03:59] <biffbaxter> in there you can change the appearance to system theme, image, or color
[08:13] <Ascavasaion> Lubuntu downloaded and installed.  It looks very nice sof ar.
[08:13] <gnewb> Good
[08:14] <gnewb> Is going to suprize you after you get the feel of it.
[08:16] <Ascavasaion> Thank you man, it runs nicely on my AMD Duron 1300MHz, 384Mb RAM and 20Gb HDD.  I am tempted to install it onto by laptop with Centrino duo and 2Gb RAM.
[08:18] <gnewb> Ascavasaion: It will run great on that, should. What year is the BIOS on the laptop?
[08:18] <Ascavasaion> No idea, let me boot it.
[08:18] <gnewb> okee dokee
[08:20] <Unit193> Year shouldn't matter as much as version
[08:21] <Ascavasaion> No idea what year the BIOS is/
[08:22] <gnewb> Unit193: True that is, was just trying to get a 'feel' for the version.
[08:24] <gnewb> Ascavasaion: Should be skippy as it is , really not much or any bloat on a default install of Lubuntu or any LXDE that I have ever used.
[08:25] <Ascavasaion> Okies :)
[11:13] <slackmeister> good afternoon
[11:14] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha slackmeister
[11:59] <leszek> hi
[12:47] <nils_> hello. which vnc server would you recommend for lubuntu? vino or rather x11-vnc? does vino have performance disadvantages over x11-vnc?
[12:49] <bioterror> x11-vnc maybe
[12:50] <nils_> why?
[12:51] <leszek> they are using all the same protocol so why should there be a speed disadvantage ?
[12:54] <nils_> well vino builts on gnome. lubuntu uses lxde. im wondering if installing a gnome application causes slower system performance because the system needs to run gnome then?
[12:55] <leszek> nils_: that is a wrong info you got
[12:55] <nils_> can you explain me?
[12:55] <leszek> gnome is a desktop environment not a toolkit
[12:56] <nils_> yes i am aware. but how can lubuntu run applications built for another desktop environment
[12:57] <leszek> this depends on the applications
[12:58] <leszek> the most applications are not build to need the whole desktop environment to run
[12:58] <leszek> they only depend on the used toolkit (mostly either gtk+ , qt & kde)
[12:59] <leszek> lxde & lubuntu is almost completely based upon gtk+ which is also used by 99% of the applications that are shipped with ubuntu-desktop
[13:00] <nils_> I see, this means using gtk+ apps will not cause slower system performance
[13:00] <leszek> even using qt4 apps wont cause slower system performance
[13:00] <leszek> or even kde4 apps
[13:00] <nils_> ok :)
[13:00] <leszek> as they don't load the complete desktop environment only the needed libraries
[13:01] <leszek> but kde4 apps tend to load more libraries than gtk apps ;)
[13:01] <leszek> bbl , I'll go grab something to eat ;)
[13:02] <nils_> hey thanks for enlighting me :)
[13:27] <leszek> re
[17:50] <stlsaint> hyperair: ping
[18:01] <stlsaint> jmarsden: poke
[18:54] <mikeatvillage> I have Lubuntu 11.04 and Firefox 4.0.1 installed. Checkboxes in FF do not show a tick when clicked on, just a sunken effect. Would this be a FF problem or Lubuntu?
[18:55] <mikeatvillage> The work OK in Chromium.
[18:56] <kosaidpo|> mikeatvillage: i wud prefer to use chrmuim other than that i wud try dpkg-reconfigur firefox
[19:01] <mikeatvillage> Thanks, just done that but no improvement :-(
[19:02] <Unit193> mikeatvillage: Can you select another theme for Firefox?
[19:06] <mikeatvillage> Just tried a new theme, still no change :-(
[19:08] <kosaidpo|> mikeatvillage: can u remove it then install it even its  not the good solution tho
[19:08] <Unit193> bioterror: Is it safe to delete /var/log/kern.log?
[19:08] <bioterror> sure?
[19:08] <bioterror> it's just log
[19:09] <mikeatvillage> I'll try removing and reinstalling FF
[19:10] <Unit193> bioterror: 15G...
[19:10] <bioterror> what?!
[19:11] <Unit193> Yeah.... on a 33GB (40G) HDD...
[19:13] <stlsaint> bioterror: o/
[19:13] <bioterror> hi stl
[19:17] <stlsaint> bioterror: nm, dipping my pinky toe into packaging
[19:17] <mikeatvillage> No change. I will remove FF again and download a non-ubuntu modified one..
[19:18] <bioterror> use chromium
[19:18] <bioterror> it's the browser from future
[19:18] <stlsaint> +1
[19:19] <Unit193> Or Midori... (Chromium isn't that great...)
[19:19] <bioterror> hahaha
[19:19] <bioterror> midori is...
[19:19] <stlsaint> Unit193: HA
[19:19] <bioterror> not so feature rich
[19:19] <bioterror> use links -g
[19:19] <Unit193> Midori = Small not best!
[19:25] <mikeatvillage> I need FF, but will look at these others too. Thanks.
[19:28] <mikeatvillage> Oh, Midori does not work properly !
[19:30] <Unit193> mikeatvillage: It's a little buggy (but it seems to work fine for me)
[19:32] <mikeatvillage> Unit293: Did not warn me of non-secure site and hangs with a blank page after I enter name/password for protected parts of my websites :-(
[19:33] <stlsaint> tsk tsk, should have went with chromium ;)
[19:34] <mikeatvillage> Yes, I like Chromium, but need several others too.
[19:34] <Unit193> You could always use Opera ;)
[19:35] <mikeatvillage> Unit293: I've had problems with Opera too :-(
[19:36] <mikeatvillage> Seems that every standards compliant browser is different (@)^(@)
[22:48] <mikeatvillage> Unit193: I get the same problem in Seamonkey as I do in Firefox!
[22:52] <Unit193> mikeatvillage: Try to change your GTK theme
[22:55] <mikeatvillage> Unit193: Sorry, how do i do that?
[22:56] <MrChrisDruif> gtk-theme?
[22:57] <mikeatvillage> I don't know what that is ... I'll Google
[22:58] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: Is it in Preferences > Customize Look and Feel?
[22:58] <Unit193> This may tell: http://maketecheasier.com/theme-up-lubuntu/2011/02/11 (Changes more then just that too ;) )
[22:58] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193: I think so, but I don't think it's GTK theme
[22:59] <bioterror> lxappearance
[22:59] <bioterror> for changing gtk themes
[22:59] <mikeatvillage> Oh, that :-)  I'll tinker around with that then ... tomorrow, it's late.  Many thanks for your help.
[22:59] <MrChrisDruif> OpenBox theme I think
[23:00] <Unit193> Nope, that's gtk (Same thing bioterror posted)
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> Well...it's alright with me :P
[23:01] <mikeatvillage> Running lxappearance brings up Customise Look & Feel :-)
[23:04] <mikeatvillage> Well, I couldn't wait to try it ... I get the problem with any theme which has embossed checkboxes, plain one will display the tick. Weird! :-)
[23:05] <Unit193> mikeatvillage: I think gnome-look has some gtk themes you can tryout
[23:06] <mikeatvillage> Unit193: Tomorrow, must sleep!  :-)  Thanks.
[23:24] <kosaidpo|> hello guys
[23:24] <kosaidpo|> i have live usb so can i jst upgrade and keep my apps ?
[23:26] <busigast> hey :)
[23:26] <busigast> i am considereing changing from norman ubuntu tu lubuntu, does lubuntu support the same programs as ubuntu ?
[23:27] <bioterror> sure
[23:27] <Unit193> busigast: It uses the same repos, so you can install the same programs
[23:27] <bioterror> only the eyecandy is different
[23:27] <bioterror> and default programs are lighter
[23:27] <bioterror> and to be honest, we configure things with terminal ;-)
[23:28] <busigast> well uinity is not my cup of tea, and TWIL inspierd me tp try lubuntu
[23:28] <busigast> hehe, well im not that advanced in linux
[23:28] <MrChrisDruif> busigast: It's alright, we all started one day :)
[23:29] <busigast> yeah i love linux so far, why pay some evil corp for something that shoud be free (if you ask me)
[23:29] <kosaidpo|> guys can i upgrade without lossing my actual apps ?
[23:31] <kosaidpo|> none :O
[23:32] <busigast> kosaidpo|, i never lost my apps when upgrading ubuntu (eg from 10.04 to 10.10 etc)
[23:32] <busigast> but i am not shure with lubuntu
[23:32] <busigast> :/
[23:33] <kosaidpo|> busigast: i mean i have live usb and ill do a fresh install so is there an option duin the installation to choos so ican keep my apps : ] i hop im clear
[23:34] <busigast> then i do not know )= maybe if you wait a sec someone else will answer =)
[23:36] <MrChrisDruif> kosaidpo|: Fresh installing means fresh installing...however...you could save your list with a command and restore that...
[23:39] <MrChrisDruif> kosaidpo|: Quick google search helped me: "dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt" to save it (default saving location is ~/ or your Home folder. cd to an other location to save it somewhere else
[23:40] <MrChrisDruif> (Changing selections.txt to ~/Documents/selections.txt should also do the trick afaik)
[23:40] <kosaidpo|> MrChrisDruif: i dont see any ponit if ill reinstalll em : ]
[23:41] <kosaidpo|> MrChrisDruif: hang on ill show u ij jst need to find it
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif> And restoring dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif>  followed by dselect update and apt-get dselect-upgrade show give you back your installed packages.
[23:41] <kosaidpo|> with that cmmd ill get the packages of jst their names ??
[23:43] <busigast> just installed lubuntu in virtualbox :D looking verry verry good
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> kosaidpo|: The first will save the names in the right format to a file. The rest is for restoring
[23:44] <MrChrisDruif> You could even name it package.list (I've heard that one before)
[23:45] <kosaidpo|> MrChrisDruif: hat i mean when ill run my live usb will i find an option say upgrade to 11.04 and install so ican choose btw em cus isaw this in ubuntu so im wondeing
[23:45] <MrChrisDruif> Yes you can choose upgrade, but that wouldn't make a fresh install would it? :)
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> Oops...
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not sure about Lubuntu, but with Ubuntu it does
[23:46] <kosaidpo|> well from wht the word means wudnt :D
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[23:47] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, shutting down...quarter to one here (AM)
[23:47] <kosaidpo|> MrChrisDruif: same here
[23:47] <busigast> norway ? :P
[23:48] <MrChrisDruif> busigast: Holland :)
[23:48] <busigast> ahh atleast same timezone :D
[23:48] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[23:51] <kosaidpo|> peace out guys


[08:13] <dholbach> davidcalle, attempting a new deploy
[08:17] <davidcalle> dholbach: \o/
[09:16] <davidcalle> dholbach: better?
[09:16] <dholbach> let's see :)
[09:41] <dholbach> davidcalle, maybe https://pypi.python.org/pypi/cmsplugin-pdf could be an option?
[13:18] <dholbach> davidcalle, which JUJU_UNIT do I need to set?
[13:20] <davidcalle> dholbach: if on unit #4: devportal-app-0
[13:21] <dholbach> ok
[13:22] <dholbach> with the bash history gone, I'm struggling a bit :)
[14:10] <dholbach> davidcalle, http://paste.ubuntu.com/17061656/
[14:10] <dholbach> I cowboyed the management command on there to get it to work
[14:10] <dholbach> it's working now and we should try it with live data :)
[14:11] <davidcalle> Brilliant :)
[14:12] <dholbach> and I just fixed the --delete option too
[14:12] <davidcalle> dholbach: do you want to test with a fresh dbdump on staging, or do it live?
[14:12] <dholbach> I hope this will fix all the craziness
[14:12] <dholbach> a fresh dbdump on staging would be better I think
[14:12] <dholbach> I don't want to break everything in prod :)
[14:13] <davidcalle> Alright, /me asks a db dump from IS
[14:13] <dholbach> should I redeploy with the newest from the branch?
[14:13] <dholbach> or just leave things as they are for now?
[14:13] <davidcalle> dholbach: sure


[02:53] <TheProf> Hello. Just installed edubuntu. Was using Fedora so the sudo vs. root is different for me.  Where do all the root / service emails get sent to?
[14:01] <lucian> hy
[21:43] <TheProf> Hello.  I hope everyone is well.  Just installed 10.04 -- what is the correct way to modify all users' accounts system wide -- specifically to move the max/min/close buttons from the left to right of the title bar? I can see how to do it for one user only but not everyone.
[21:53] <mgariepy> TheProf, you can open gconf-editor, go to the /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
[21:54] <mgariepy> change it to your liking and then you can right-click and select : Set As Default
[22:06] <TheProf> mgariepy,  Great - thank you for the information.  Will setting it as default only affect newly created users or existing users only?
[22:11] <mgariepy> TheProf, default will be used for all user that haven't changed this particular setting yet.
[22:12] <TheProf> mgariepy, Awesome. thank you
[22:12] <mgariepy> you're welcome
[22:27] <TheProf> mgariepy, could I ask another question please: does Edubuntu have root email messages sent from services, etc?  things like partition empty space, failed logins, etc? i already changed /etc/aliases and ran newaliases but I see nothing
[22:28] <mgariepy> TheProf, i don't think so, but i'm not 100% sure.
[22:32] <TheProf> OK - i'm used to getting some sort of system email but not getting anything


[16:42] <l3on> Hi all, someone of you know How can I add a "navigation menu" in drupal?
[16:56] <stas> newz2000: ping me when you got a minute
[16:57] <newz2000> stas:	hey, what's up
[16:57]  * newz2000 is just about to merge a planet change
[16:57] <newz2000> from rhlee
[16:57] <stas> nah, not about planet, yet
[16:57] <newz2000> what's up?
[17:02] <stas> so, did you test the changes for planet?
[17:04] <newz2000> actually, I delegated it. :-)
[17:07] <stas> to whom? :)
[17:07] <newz2000> richard lee, he work's with Alejandra's team
[17:07] <newz2000> I think it's a pretty big change from your theme though
[17:07] <newz2000> s/think/it is/
[17:09] <stas> ah ok
[21:18] <cjohnston> newz2000: nice post
[21:19] <newz2000> cjohnston: django vs php?
[21:19] <cjohnston> yes
[21:19] <cjohnston> makes me want to move from wp
[21:21] <newz2000> well, wp is a framework too
[21:21] <cjohnston> i know
[21:21] <newz2000> if you want something that looks a bit like a blog, then wp may be a better framework
[21:21] <newz2000> :-)
[21:22] <newz2000> No harm in adding a new tool to your belt. The django tutorial is quite approachable
[21:22] <cjohnston> ya


[15:37] <bn_work> do you guys have any Upstart usage stats?  I am trying to get a vendor to add support for Upstart but they are calling it an "obscure daemon manager" :/
[15:38] <bn_work> I mean is Upstart basically dead now?  I've seen no site updates since 2014...
[15:50] <xnox> bn_work, it is stable and maintained; meaning we provide stable series maintainance and security support only.
[15:50] <xnox> bn_work, modern releases of Debian and Ubuntu have stopped using it, nor providing it.
[15:50] <xnox> bn_work, e.g. 16.04 LTS and onwards only support systemd as the system pid 1.
[15:51] <xnox> bn_work, the only remaining users of upstart in production that I know of, are older Ubuntu releases e.g. 12.04 LTS ESM, 14.04 LTS, Chrome OS, Amazon Kindle, Some LG TV, and possibly some fridges.
[15:52] <xnox> bn_work, i would recommend providing a systemd unit to anyone shipping daemons, that are capable of being run on linux kernel.
[16:01] <bn_work> xnox:  thanks for the comment, then I guess systemd has truly won.  Seems odd Canonical would not even offer it as an unsupported "option", in the spirit of being open.
[16:02] <bn_work> If maintenance patches are still provided why are there no announcements about it on upstart.ubuntu.com?  (BTW, the revision history link on the dev page http://upstart.ubuntu.com/development.html seems broken, FYI:    http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~scott/upstart/trunk)
[16:04] <xnox> bn_work, Ubuntu Project (community) has always been focused on providing great user experience, and thus good, sane and obvious default choices. Therefore, we have only ever supported one system init system at the time, and e.g. dropped sysv-init support a very long time ago; when we moved to upstart. Later the project switched to systemd. Canonical, supports even a smaller subset of Ubuntu flavours.
[16:04] <xnox> bn_work, for example, Lubuntu is community supported; and Canonical does not provide support that (it supports the common core/base system bit that Lubuntu is built on top)
[16:05] <xnox> * support for that
[16:05] <xnox> Canonical is focused on supporting Public/Private Cloud, Server, Core, Desktop (used to be Unity, now Gnome), IoT.
[16:06] <xnox> bn_work, it is out of scope for the Ubuntu Project to support multiple choices of common/core things. hence Ubuntu project doesn't support multiple kernels, multiple init systems, multiple libc, etc. unlike e.g. Debian.
[16:07] <xnox> bn_work, "If maintenance patches are still provided" -> well, they are provided, in a sense that we are expecting an escalation of a L3 issue, and/or a security bug found =) but there haven't been any for a few years now. Hence, upstart is stable =)
[16:08] <xnox> bn_work, if there will be one, we will update something, but most likely it will be just an Ubuntu Security Notice or Ubuntu SRU, and a patch on the mailing list, and matching VCS commits =)
[16:08] <xnox> i have not been summoned to fix upstart, in years now, and I hope it will stay like that =)
[16:08] <xnox> note upstart is part of the extended security maintainance of Ubuntu.
[16:09] <xnox> so i'm still on stand-by for that in 2019+
[16:12] <xnox> Thu, 19 May 2016 12:04:29 +0100 -> sounds about right, for the last time upstart had an update.
[17:10] <bn_work> xnox: ok, thanks