[06:31] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: i find that hard to believe... do the research
[06:31] <|QuaD-> before you make these claims
[06:31] <Madd_Marshall> i left room... and when i came back... 15 minutes from when i started it was done
[06:32] <guille> hello
[06:32] <Madd_Marshall> i was shocked too... but the download is indeed done
[06:32] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: well, at 400k... that is impossible
[06:32] <Madd_Marshall> 400k is what it was at when i left... it could have likely sped up... and from what your saying it must have
[06:32] <tsw> who cares :) its christmas!
[06:32] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: is dialup in usa THAT good ?
[06:32] <|QuaD-> do the math.... the cd is 650 MB.... 650MB/(.400MB/S) is roughly 1600 seconds
[06:32] <Madd_Marshall> it takes a while with flashget to get to its full sped
[06:33] <tsw> just burn the iso and enjoy
[06:33] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: sure it is :P
[06:33] <|QuaD-> 1600seconds/60 (seconds/min) = something
[06:33] <|QuaD-> around 30
[06:33] <Madd_Marshall> warty-release-install-amd64 is 540 megs
[06:33] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: no india its just 40 kbps
[06:33] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: its not possible with your cap
[06:33] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: luckily my local library has free wireless
[06:34] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: do at 400k thats 22.5 minutes
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: oh ok, so u get all the net u want for free?
[06:34] <Madd_Marshall> yoru not listening... it was staying at aroudn 400k.. then i left the room
[06:34] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: yeah, I just have to go over there and have the other people in the library stare at me
[06:34] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: with your cap though, it can't go 400k
[06:34] <Madd_Marshall> when i returned... around 15 mins later... give or take a minute... it was done
[06:35] <Madd_Marshall> so the app was lying?
[06:35] <Madd_Marshall> well that may be... but it finished nonetheless
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: why stare ? u not doing something wrong...
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: why stare ? u not doing something wrong...
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> ??
[06:36] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: it's just weird, that's all
[06:36] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: 400k isn't that unreasonable, maybe they give you a little extra to work with, but the 15 minutes means you get 600kB/s... which is unreasonable
[06:36] <ogra> twisted_steel: you know you are supposed to be dressed in librarys ?
[06:36] <|QuaD-> so i would say that your clock is lying
[06:36] <Madd_Marshall> and correction... the speed is 4mb/256k now...
[06:36] <twisted_steel> ogra: ohhhh, that's why :)
[06:36] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: but if they provide for free and u have a laptop, u can just go in and surf!!
[06:36] <Madd_Marshall> i forgot that they changed it like 2 months ago.. upped the caps on the whole network
[06:36] <carajean> can anyone help me with cedega
[06:37] <Madd_Marshall> but i got 400k.. whether you think im lying or not
[06:37] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: yup, I think it's just because I was in there during the day when the other kids were in school; I'm on break from college
[06:37] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall, |QuaD-: cool it. does it really matter?
[06:37] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: 4mbit i believe would allow 400k, i still don't believe the 15 minutes though
[06:37] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: ok
[06:37] <Madd_Marshall> da_bon_bon - no it doesnt... thats what is baffling me... i dont see why he cares
[06:37] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: trying to educate him in the difference between mbit and mbyte
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: i wish i had that. i love downloading and i just get 100 mb per month limit..
[06:38] <Madd_Marshall> all i care is that it downloaded within the span of the 15 minutes i left the room
[06:38] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: oh wow, that's terrible
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: really, its ok. he got ubuntu and will try. plese end the matter.
[06:38] <Madd_Marshall> da_bon - move to vegas
[06:38] <kensai> which is the package that on boot do the Configuring Network?
[06:38] <Madd_Marshall> they dont enforce the limits
[06:38] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: hehe :) for the record he needs a new clock
[06:38] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: the dialup here has a 200 hour cap, otherwise they charge you for some business version
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: at the age of 16 :D ??
[06:39] <Madd_Marshall> hey there is fun to be had for the underage
[06:39] <Madd_Marshall> get your folks to move
[06:39] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: from india to vegas, it isnt easy, or is it ;) ??
[06:39] <Madd_Marshall> india... oh
[06:39] <Madd_Marshall> quad... forgive me... i checked flashget... 17mins22secs...
[06:39] <Madd_Marshall> forgive me
[06:40] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: do the calculations
[06:40] <Madd_Marshall> average of 472.54KB/s
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: so u downloaded the whole friggin iso in 18 DAMN MINUTES ??
[06:40] <Madd_Marshall> yea i did
[06:40] <Madd_Marshall> da_bon... do they have broadband in india
[06:41] <Madd_Marshall> i assume they do
[06:41] <Madd_Marshall> quad... i think your just jealous
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> yes, but __very__ costly.
[06:41] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: that is possible actually... but do the calculations
[06:41] <Madd_Marshall> haha... my friend in canada has a better connection
[06:41] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: i have a 20mbit line
[06:41] <|QuaD-> definitely NOT jealous of a 4 mbit one
[06:41] <Madd_Marshall> ok... then why are you picking on me because i am happy abotu my speeds
[06:41] <Petrov> p
[06:41] <Madd_Marshall> just be happy that you have a better one than me
[06:41] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: i just watn you to learn the conversion
[06:41] <Petrov> HYE
[06:42] <Petrov> DOMBO
[06:42] <Madd_Marshall> it will never happen
[06:42] <|QuaD-> so you sound as smart as you hopefully are
[06:42] <Petrov> DOMBO
[06:42] <Madd_Marshall> it is one of those things i dont see the need to know
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: u somewhere in south america right?
[06:42] <Madd_Marshall> it wont help me get laid...
[06:42] <Petrov> HELLO
[06:42] <|QuaD-> nope... north east US
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: how much time owuld it take u to get an iso ?
[06:42] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: haha... you never know
[06:43] <Madd_Marshall> well i dont think i want a girl who is impressed by my conversion skills....
[06:43] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: do the calculations...2.048 Megabytes per second
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: oh, i had my globe turned wrong.
[06:43] <|QuaD-> i wasn't watching when i did it
[06:43] <Madd_Marshall> unless she is a hot blonde with glasses and a schoolgirl outfit
[06:43] <|QuaD-> *dled it
[06:43] <Petrov> goodbye
[06:43] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: that also assumes i max my connection out (which isn't likely
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: in 2 minutes?
[06:44] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: i was dling at an average of 1 Megabyte a second (that was just from looking over)
[06:44] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: sorry 4!
[06:44] <|QuaD-> so about 540 seconds
[06:44] <Madd_Marshall> 4 mins 40 seconds?
[06:44] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: if i maxxed out my connection
[06:44] <|QuaD-> but i have other things happening
[06:44] <|QuaD-> downloading and uploading
[06:45] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: it is nice
[06:45] <|QuaD-> i lose it in may though
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: u urself are repairing ur rig?
[06:45] <Madd_Marshall> yea
[06:45] <Madd_Marshall> my hdd died
[06:45] <|QuaD-> 			bp_msg = (struct BPmsg_t*) msg.data;
[06:45] <|QuaD-> 			for(i=0; i<MAXDATA; i++){
[06:45] <|QuaD-> 				MESSAGES[bp_msg->sender] [i+MAXDATA*bp_msg->packnum] =bp_msg->msg[i] ;
[06:45] <|QuaD-> 			}
[06:45] <|QuaD-> whats wrong with that???
[06:45] <Madd_Marshall> so im takign the time to put in a new drive, new ram, and a watercooling kit
[06:46] <Madd_Marshall> i do all my own installations... its so easy why not do it yourself
[06:46] <Madd_Marshall> hey bon bon... imma link you to a cartoon... you may or may not think its funny
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> imma means? and u mean u think i am a cartoon ?
[06:47] <Madd_Marshall> http://www.illwillpress.com/tech.html
[06:47] <Madd_Marshall> imma = im gonna
[06:47] <Madd_Marshall> = im going to
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: doesnt loadat all... just a big whit box
[06:48] <Madd_Marshall> shit
[06:48] <Madd_Marshall> yea wont load for me either
[06:48] <Madd_Marshall> well heres a classic
[06:48] <Madd_Marshall> http://www.illwillpress.com/sml.html
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> then whats the cartoon abotut ?
[06:48] <Madd_Marshall> tech support in india
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> loading
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> what was the first one about ?
[06:49] <Madd_Marshall> tech support in india
[06:49] <Madd_Marshall> its just weird
[06:49] <Madd_Marshall> its funny
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> my default browsers been set  to lynx. what do i do ?
[06:50] <PotajiTo> wenas
[06:50] <guille> PotajiTo, en ingles tio :P
[06:51] <PotajiTo> its and script guille
[06:51] <guille> sorry ;)
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: nice
[06:53] <Madd_Marshall> yup
[06:53] <Madd_Marshall> thats my favorite cartoon
[06:53] <Madd_Marshall> only show better... is Degrassi
[06:55] <Madd_Marshall> so why does everyone prefer ubuntu....
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: why why ?
[06:55] <twisted_steel> Madd_Marshall: because it works perfectly on my Thinkpad T42
[06:55] <stuNNed> twisted_steel, nice laptop
[06:56] <twisted_steel> stuNNed: yeah, my college gave it to me for free :)
[06:56] <Madd_Marshall> your college
[06:56] <Madd_Marshall> it is free already though...
[06:56] <twisted_steel> Madd_Marshall: not at all, I go to RPI
[06:56] <Madd_Marshall> thats cool though
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: i wanna join ur college - free laptop, free internet
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> !!
[06:56] <Madd_Marshall> not college fool
[06:56] <Madd_Marshall> ubuntu
[06:57] <Madd_Marshall> oh the laptop
[06:57] <Madd_Marshall> awesome
[06:57] <twisted_steel> Madd_Marshall: ah yes :)
[06:57] <Madd_Marshall> yea some odd trade schools do that here... give away a free p4 laptop
[06:57] <carajean> anybody use ubuntu distro
[06:57] <carajean> ???
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> most here use it
[06:57] <twisted_steel> Madd_Marshall: either way, I went to the library not sure if my wireless would work, went into the network settings and added the ESSID, and I was on
[06:57] <Madd_Marshall> my distro in winxp
[06:57] <Madd_Marshall> hehe
[06:58] <carajean> ok do any of u use it with cedega???
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> i want to get a laptop
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> damn i think ubuntu is the right choice
[06:58] <carajean> i cant get the people on the cedega channel to talk they just watch the screen
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> no one mentioned cedega in suse or fedora
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> so there must be some link
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> well i havent used cedega yet
[06:58] <twisted_steel> I really like them because I can just pick up the computer, move it to the couch, etc - things I definitely cannot do with my desktop
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> i plan to
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> there is alot of help on google
[06:59] <Madd_Marshall> i wish i could find a cheap amd64 laptop
[06:59] <carajean> i tried searching google all day yesterdayu and im doin it right now i cant find a solution to my prob
[06:59] <twisted_steel> especially when the case by itself is about 20 lbs
[06:59] <Madd_Marshall> like around 1200
[06:59] <Madd_Marshall> my case is closer to 60 pounds
[06:59] <Madd_Marshall> the case itself is around 50
[06:59] <twisted_steel> not bad at all
[06:59] <carajean> i installed and it said setting up but then just went to the next cmd line
[07:00] <twisted_steel> good for excercise
[07:00] <carajean> no other windows poped up
[07:00] <|QuaD-> so... i have a problem wiht screen.... if a screen is attached and i want to view it, i type screen -d -r [num]  and all the other variations
[07:00] <carajean> this is what it looks like  Setting up point2play (1.3.2) ...
[07:00] <carajean> carajean@shicara:~
[07:00] <|QuaD-> none of the m werk
[07:00] <|QuaD-> *work
[07:01] <carajean> can some one help a newb out ive only been usin linux for a day
[07:01] <wasabi_> carajean, that's what it is supposed to do.
[07:02] <|QuaD-> bob2: does anyone else have that problem with screen?
[07:02] <carajean> ok now where do i go after that
[07:02] <|QuaD-> oh, i guess bob2 left
[07:02] <wasabi_> carajean, think what you'd do in windows, after an install is finished.
[07:03] <wasabi_> You'd go find whatever it installed and launch it... most likely
[07:03] <carajean> yeah but i dotn know where it installed to
[07:03] <wasabi_> sounds like a dumb program. ;)
[07:03] <wasabi_> anyways, it made a command, Point2Play.
[07:03] <wasabi_> (I know this because i've used it)
[07:04] <wasabi_> What it SHOULD do, if it was a better program, is put entries in your menus, etc.
[07:04] <carajean> ok  i will try  amen to that
[07:04] <carajean> wasbi u are a god thanks alot but i may have more questions about installing games
[07:05] <wasabi_> I have had no luck with cedega lately.
[07:05] <carajean> yeah is there also a command for cedega
[07:05] <wasabi_> there is when you install it. Point2Play installs it's own copy though.
[07:06] <carajean> ok i clicked get ltest version and it seems tobe getting ti
[07:08] <carajean> ok what games have u used on cedega
[07:08] <bronson> You know, CUPS is a truly bad piece of software.
[07:08] <bronson> But gtklp is even worse!
[07:08] <carajean> and do u know how i go about installin games
[07:08] <bronson> At least CUPS doesdn't crash all the time.
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> hey, has pentium 5 been released anywhere in the world ?
[07:09] <Madd_Marshall> ubuntu has no root?
[07:09] <Madd_Marshall> some sudo thing instead?
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: u got ubuntu up and running ?
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> hey, has pentium 5 been released anywhere in the world ?
[07:10] <mjg59> da_bon_bon: There is nothing currently named the pentium 5
[07:10] <twisted_steel> Madd_Marshall: yeah, you just do 'sudo command' and type in your password
[07:10] <da_bon_bon> mjg59: i mean pentium V
[07:10] <mjg59> da_bon_bon: Nor that
[07:10] <mjg59> p5 refers to the original pentium
[07:11] <da_bon_bon> mjg59: my friend was bluffing that it has been released out in the US
[07:12] <Madd_Marshall> da_bon_bon - no i dont... im just reading a review
[07:12] <Madd_Marshall> nvidia driver is included in the repositories?
[07:12] <mjg59> da_bon_bon: Well, it hasn't
[07:12] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: which review? gimme the link
[07:13] <Madd_Marshall> this is awesome... its like half review half tut
[07:13] <carajean> hey does anyone no why my cd-rom stops responding after awhile in linux
[07:13] <Madd_Marshall> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8407
[07:13] <carajean> i have to restart in order to get it to work again
[07:13] <Madd_Marshall> needs more pictures though
[07:14] <carajean> ok heres another question i have seen where on linux if i shut down it keeps all the windows up that i had up
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> how do install java in 'apt' ?
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> how do install java in 'apt' ?
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> how do install java in 'apt' ?
[07:17] <mjg59> da_bon_bon: Asking the same question repeatedly makes it less likely that you'll get an answer, not more likely
[07:17] <Madd_Marshall> hoary hedgehog?
[07:17] <sid77> da_bon_bon, read the wiki (and stop asking so many times)
[07:17] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: I think this might be what you are looking for: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#jre
[07:17] <Madd_Marshall> is that an upgrade from warty warthog?
[07:17] <stuNNed> mjg59, i think he is stuttering
[07:18] <mjg59> Madd_Marshall: It's the name of the next release
[07:18] <mjg59> It's currently in development
[07:18] <Madd_Marshall> oh ok
[07:18] <Madd_Marshall> i dont like the naming
[07:18] <da_bon_bon> ok sorry and thanks
[07:18] <Madd_Marshall> they should just stick with numbers
[07:19] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: they are 'project name' not distro name - every linux distro has one
[07:19] <RuffianSoldier> Santa: "Now what would like for Christmas?"  Me: "More bandwidth, and 1GB of PC2700 DDR RAM"  Santa: ".................."
[07:20] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[07:20] <Gorth> Im trying to get my Linksys WUSB54g working. Any pointers on which documents to read first?
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> ok bye guys cya all later...
[07:22] <pepsi> has anyone installed xcircuit?
[07:23] <|QuaD-> pepsi: what is that?
[07:23] <|QuaD-> sounds like i might want to
[07:23] <carajean> ok now im havin trouble installin WoW straight form the cd can anyone help
[07:24] <acetech> WoW has a linux install?
[07:25] <|QuaD-> whats wow?
[07:25] <crimsun> that new Blizzard game
[07:25] <twisted_steel> World of Warcraft?
[07:25] <acetech> world of warcraft
[07:26] <|QuaD-> wow is for linux?
[07:26] <acetech> i dont think there is a linux installer for it though
[07:26] <acetech> the box only has mac and windows
[07:26] <acetech> but you get it to run in cedega
[07:28] <angrypunk> Could someone help me please?  How do I view my partition map so i can figure out what to add in my fstab?
[07:29] <Kamion> Madd_Marshall: you're entirely welcome to call them 4.10 and 5.04 if you prefer
[07:29] <acetech> angrypunk: use fdisk
[07:30] <sid77> angrypunk, try with fdisk -l /dev/hda
[07:30] <Madd_Marshall> ubuntu installs the nvidia 3d driver by default
[07:30] <|QuaD-> Kamion: who came up with the numbers? how did they get them
[07:30] <Madd_Marshall> omg im loving it more every second
[07:30] <Kamion> |QuaD-: dates
[07:30] <sid77> angrypunk, if /dev/hda is your disk, of course
[07:30] <Kamion> |QuaD-: add 2000 and treat the fractional part as a month ...
[07:30] <|QuaD-> ahh that makes sense
[07:30] <|QuaD-> what happens in 2014???
[07:30] <Kamion> 14.04, 14.10
[07:31] <|QuaD-> y2k bug all over again!
[07:31] <Kamion> why should 2014 be special?
[07:31] <|QuaD-> then what about 3004
[07:31] <Kamion> 1004.04
[07:31] <|QuaD-> haha
[07:31] <|QuaD-> you have thought of everything!
[07:31] <angrypunk> thanks sid77, acetech
[07:31] <tavon> ls
[07:31] <tavon> oops
[07:31] <Kamion> the year portion merely starts at 4, there's no intrinsic limit
[07:31] <Madd_Marshall> thanks kamion... id prefer to call it 5.04 instead of hoary
[07:32] <Madd_Marshall> i mean warty is ok... but hoary
[07:32] <|QuaD-> what happens at year infinity (stumped you there!)
[07:32] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: no one will knowwhat you are referring to
[07:32] <Kamion> 5.04 is perfectly reasonable to talk about
[07:32] <tavon> I trying to decide where to install eclipse... do you install it in /opt/eclipse or your home directory?
[07:32] <Kamion> Madd_Marshall: argue with Mark, not us ;)
[07:32] <tavon> what are the advantages?
[07:33] <Kamion> |QuaD-: it's a bit of a playground game, but we can argue about sequences of infinities if you *really* want
[07:33] <|QuaD-> Kamion: i am just kidding
[07:33] <|QuaD-> oh, and by the way, bittornado works great
[07:33] <Kamion> aleph-0 minus 4 is still aleph-0, though :)
[07:33] <Madd_Marshall> hey
[07:34] <Madd_Marshall> what does this mean ; " deboostrapping a clean 32 bit chroot"
[07:34] <Madd_Marshall> what does this mean : " debootstrapping a clean 32 bit chroot"
[07:34] <|QuaD-> Kamion: yeah... i have done a lot with infinity in my coursework
[07:34] <Kamion> debootstrap is the tool used to install Debian/Ubuntu base systems onto a clean filesystem
[07:34] <Madd_Marshall> hmmmm... ok
[07:34] <acetech> can you change to ubuntu with a debian system?
[07:34] <carajean> so has anyone actually got cedega to work
[07:35] <Madd_Marshall> cara
[07:35] <crimsun> acetech: yes. carajean: yes.
[07:35] <Madd_Marshall> http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[07:35] <Kamion> |QuaD-: bittornado> good
[07:35] <Madd_Marshall> kamion... what does that mean though
[07:35] <|QuaD-> Kamion: as a thank you.... i am currently seeding the live and install iso's for i386... for the next like 15 days when i am out of town and my 20mbit line will not be used
[07:36] <Kamion> Madd_Marshall: basically it's explaining how to set up an environment that pretends to just be i386
[07:36] <Madd_Marshall> im trying to figure out how to get a 32bit lib added to a 64bit ubuntu install
[07:36] <Madd_Marshall> ok cool
[07:36] <Madd_Marshall> is it hard
[07:36] <Kamion> but it's a totally separate environment, not a couple of overlay libraries
[07:36] <Kamion> that page appears to have full directions
[07:37] <Brikkah> hello, can some help me with this problem : => http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9023
[07:37] <setup_> hello, i'm having difficulty getting an external dvd drive connected to my laptop via an ide->usb cable working.
[07:37] <Madd_Marshall> a totally seperate enviroment?
[07:38] <Madd_Marshall> so it wouldnt be usable at the same time as everything else?
[07:39] <Kamion> no, the chroot program allows you to use them simultaneously
[07:39] <Kamion> but it's a pain to e.g. run graphical programs from inside a chroot
[07:40] <Madd_Marshall> well i hope its not too much of a pain
[07:41] <DeepSpaceAnt> guys when are the FGLRX drivers for XORG going to be up!?
[07:41] <stuNNed> DeepSpaceAnt, that is probly a ques for #ati?
[07:41] <Kamion> Madd_Marshall: it would seem easier to try the directions on the page and then ask if you have a problem
[07:41] <DeepSpaceAnt> hmm
[07:42] <Kamion> ATI have not provided updated binary drivers yet.
[07:42] <Madd_Marshall> well yea i will... i was just curious
[07:42] <Madd_Marshall> i use nvidia 6800gt
[07:42] <Madd_Marshall> so that tutorial gives me hope
[07:43] <Madd_Marshall> since it claims that nvidia drivers are included by default
[07:43] <DeepSpaceAnt> bah..#ati channel is dead or something noone responds
[07:43] <crimsun> DeepSpaceAnt: the next release of fglrx will support amd64, X.Org, GLSL, etc.
[07:43] <Kamion> in a *whole two minutes*
[07:43] <Kamion> dude, it's Christmas Eve, you're lucky anyone's on IRC
[07:43] <Madd_Marshall> two minutes?
[07:43] <crimsun> DeepSpaceAnt: until that is released, Ubuntu Hoary will not have it in linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` at all
[07:46] <Madd_Marshall> how can they afford to send out all these free cds to people?
[07:46] <Ribs> CDs are very cheap to produce
[07:47] <Madd_Marshall> but they are not free
[07:47] <Kamion> consider it a form of PR
[07:47] <Ribs> Madd_Marshall, They have a lot of spare cash
[07:47] <Madd_Marshall> a PR for something they dont charge for
[07:47] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: they are really cheap... the money is actually in the shipping
[07:47] <Madd_Marshall> yea thats what i mena
[07:47] <Madd_Marshall> and they put no limit on it
[07:47] <Madd_Marshall> which is actually smarter in a sense
[07:47] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: shipping 500 cd's isn't much more then shipping 1
[07:47] <Kamion> (some people have tried to abuse it, the egregious abusers are caught)
[07:48] <Madd_Marshall> abusers eh?
[07:48] <Kamion> there was a guy who ordered 10000 for himself and his friends ...
[07:48] <|QuaD-> Kamion: how much is abusers?
[07:48] <Madd_Marshall> im not one am i
[07:48] <Madd_Marshall> i just ordered 20
[07:48] <Madd_Marshall> 10 regular and 10 64bit
[07:48] <|QuaD-> kamion is 50-60 abuse?
[07:48] <Kamion> 20's reasonable
[07:48] <Kamion> |QuaD-: I'm not going to answer questions of that form for hopefully obvious reasons :)
[07:48] <Kamion> don't worry, it's pretty obvious when people are taking the piss :)
[07:49] <Kamion> if you haven't got a mail asking you why you need so many, we aren't bothered
[07:49] <|QuaD-> Kamion: i also haven't gotten my 50-60 yet :)
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> hey, ubuntu cant play mpegs out of the box ?
[07:49] <|QuaD-> i want to distribute them at my uni
[07:49] <TD> is there any way to test the live CD without burning it to an actual CD? I already have fedora, so I was wondering if grub - magical program that it is - could boot direct from the ISO
[07:49] <Kamion> da_bon_bon: see RestrictedFormats on the wiki
[07:50] <anselm_> I was wondering does Epiphany have all the plug-ins like firefox has to make it useable?
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> TD: it cant but i cant remember how - search on google
[07:50] <Madd_Marshall> td
[07:50] <TD> it can or it can't?
[07:50] <Madd_Marshall> without burning... why... your cheap
[07:50] <Madd_Marshall> hehe
[07:50] <TD> it's not that
[07:50] <TD> i already did a burn, and it got corrupted
[07:51] <Madd_Marshall> really
[07:51] <Madd_Marshall> how odd
[07:51] <Kamion> Madd_Marshall: Mark doesn't think it's a worthwhile business model to try to charge for free software itself; there are free-software-company business models that don't involve charging for the actual software, and most of them are improved by having lots of mindshare
[07:51] <TD> i have no idea why, so i'm not too eager to throw away more CDs in debugging sessions
[07:51] <Madd_Marshall> i burned fedora 6 times
[07:51] <Madd_Marshall> all were bad...
[07:51] <TD> Madd_Marshall: maybe the ISO was corrupted?
[07:51] <TD> i already verified that's not the case here
[07:51] <Kamion> at least I think that's a fair paraphrase
[07:51] <Madd_Marshall> hehe tell mark to send out free pcs
[07:51] <Kamion> ha, don't see that happening :)
[07:51] <Madd_Marshall> like a sweepstakes for a free pc
[07:52] <Madd_Marshall> hey question
[07:52] <Madd_Marshall> can i make a slipstream of ubuntu?
[07:52] <Kamion> slipstream?
[07:52] <mlambie> is the entire ubuntu team goming to canberra for linux.conf.au?
[07:52] <Madd_Marshall> its like an install that is already configred
[07:52] <Madd_Marshall> i have one for windows XP
[07:52] <Kamion> mlambie: we're holding a conference shortly before LCA, some people will be staying for LCA
[07:52] <Madd_Marshall> you can make apps auto-install and stuff
[07:53] <mlambie> Kamion: will it be a public conferences?
[07:53] <Kamion> you can do an install and image it
[07:53] <mlambie> conference i mean
[07:53] <Kamion> mlambie: AFAIK yesh
[07:53] <Kamion> er, yes
[07:53] <mlambie> ace
[07:53] <DeepSpaceAnt> Guys, is the Ubuntu dev team going to set up a Bootsplash screen just like under Fedora Core
[07:53] <Madd_Marshall> ill look it up.. someone must have a tutorial for slipstreaming linux
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> Kamion: plese tell me directly, without legales, how do i play mpg and dat files in totem
[07:54] <Kamion> DeepSpaceAnt: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/USplash
[07:54] <Kamion> install totem-xine?
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> Kamion: do i install totem-xine ?
[07:54] <Kamion> da_bon_bon: I already referred you to http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats, which has directions
[07:55] <DeepSpaceAnt> Kamion: is USplash working as of now ?
[07:56] <DeepSpaceAnt> Kamion: (can I just install it from apt)
[07:56] <|QuaD-> Kamion: who is the girl in the ubuntu-calendar wallpaper?
[07:56] <TD> hah
[07:56] <Kamion> DeepSpaceAnt: not yet
[07:56] <TD> she isn't even that fit dude
[07:56] <Kamion> |QuaD-: hired model
[07:56] <|QuaD-> oh ok
[07:56] <DeepSpaceAnt> lol..
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> Kamion: does mpeg fall under mp4 ?
[07:56] <Madd_Marshall> kamion
[07:56] <Kamion> da_bon_bon: I have absolutely no idea
[07:57] <Madd_Marshall> can i turn an image into a self contained bootable installer?
[07:57] <|QuaD-> mp4=mpeg layer 4
[07:57] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: mpeg4 falls under mpeg
[07:57] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: there is a decoder library for it in the Marillat repository. Follow the RestrictedFormats link, as Kamion stated.
[07:59] <mlambie> is USplash what some of the other ubuntu people have called "Mad Phat Startup" by any chance?
[07:59] <Madd_Marshall> anyone use Opera?
[07:59] <Kamion> mlambie: yes
[08:00] <mlambie> :)
[08:00] <mlambie> and with that, i'll wish you all a good night, merry christmas (where applicable)
[08:00] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: please, i am not getting head or tails on restricedformats wiki, how do i add .mpg and .dat playback capability ??
[08:00] <Madd_Marshall> happy athiest party daty
[08:01] <Madd_Marshall> haha jk... im a catholic... but i dont like christmas...stupid music
[08:01] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: please follow the instructions on the RestrictedFormats wiki.
[08:01] <da_bon_bon> whats the difference between REalPlayer and HelixPlayer?
[08:02] <TD> helixplayer does the same stuff, but better
[08:02] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: HelixPlayer does not contain the non-free, closed-source components
[08:02] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: RealPlayer is a superset of HelixPlayer.
[08:02] <Madd_Marshall> whats a superset
[08:02] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: opposite of a subset
[08:02] <Madd_Marshall> god i feel like a preschooler in here
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: so if i install real i get helix capability too? then can i play mpegs ?
[08:02] <Madd_Marshall> whats a subset
[08:02] <Madd_Marshall> these are words ive seen... but never used on a regular basis...
[08:02] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: lol... realplayer i am GUESSING is like a parent to it
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> forget i asked
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> ok that works
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> helix is a free clone though right
[08:03] <Agrajag> not a clone, it's the same source code
[08:03] <Kamion> == Messages ==
[08:03] <Kamion> Hey Colin. I was asked to remove WikiTeam as they don't want to sub-team just yet. They'd like myself and any others interested (you) to join the Doc team and help out that way. ''--[Kevin Mulligan] ''
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> really?
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> hmmmm
[08:03] <Kamion> oops
[08:03] <Agrajag> yes
[08:03] <Kamion> Madd_Marshall: http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> but how so if realplater is closed-source
[08:03] <Kamion> GAH, DAMN PASTE
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> was helixplayer made by real?
[08:03] <Agrajag> real takes the helix code and adds their proprietary codecs
[08:04] <DeepSpaceAnt> lol..
[08:04] <Kamion> http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/definition.html?lookup=4876
[08:04] <Madd_Marshall> who made helix
[08:04] <Agrajag> it's under their supervision, helix is not GPL
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: so if i install real i get helix capability too? then can i play mpegs ?
[08:04] <Madd_Marshall> no its not free?
[08:04] <Agrajag> helix is free
[08:04] <crimsun> Madd_Marshall: HelixPlayer will not.
[08:04] <Madd_Marshall> but not GPL
[08:04] <crimsun> err
[08:04] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: HelixPlayer will not.
[08:04] <Madd_Marshall> whats different between the two...
[08:04] <Agrajag> realplayer is free-as-in-beer, but not free-as-in-speech
[08:04] <Madd_Marshall> will not what?
[08:04] <crimsun> Madd_Marshall: wrong nick.
[08:04] <Agrajag> Madd_Marshall: I told you, real's proprietary codecs.
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: real will ? i am getting realplayer not helix...
[08:05] <Madd_Marshall> free beer breeds free speech
[08:05] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no.
[08:05] <Agrajag> helix player won't play realvideo/audio
[08:05] <Madd_Marshall> so what is ists purpose.
[08:05] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: install the codecs as instructed on the RestrictedFormats wiki under Marillat's repository.
[08:05] <Agrajag> it's to provide real with a decent framework on which to build realplayer
[08:05] <Agrajag> look at the crappile that is realplayer 8/9, then look at 10
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> so real was made from helix?
[08:06] <Agrajag> yes
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> who made helix
[08:06] <Agrajag> I've been telling you that
[08:06] <Agrajag> WKVBIRWBV
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: u mean the "w32codecs" ?? if i install real directly, do i nead to get w32codecs ?
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> whos that
[08:06] <Agrajag> REAL
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> real made it
[08:06] <Agrajag> YES
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> so they made helix player
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> then added their own shit and called it realplayer
[08:06] <Agrajag> and they opened the source to it
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> oh ok
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> both suck though
[08:07] <Agrajag> so people could change stuff
[08:07] <Agrajag> if you say so.
[08:07] <Madd_Marshall> no playlists suck
[08:07] <Agrajag> It's a hell of a lot better than realplayer 8 or 9 were
[08:07] <Madd_Marshall> well thats probably true
[08:07] <Madd_Marshall> but it needs playlists
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> anyone can please cleary without legalese and being tight lipped tell me how to ply my mpg files ?
[08:07] <Agrajag> so use something else, it's not meant for that sort of thing
[08:07] <Madd_Marshall> then it would be perfect
[08:07] <Agrajag> I just use it for internet radoi
[08:07] <Madd_Marshall> i know... which is why i dont like it
[08:07] <Agrajag> radio
[08:07] <Madd_Marshall> xmms works for internet radio does it not
[08:08] <Agrajag> not if it's realaudio
[08:08] <Madd_Marshall> is xmms like a complete replacement for winamp
[08:08] <crimsun> Madd_Marshall: yes
[08:08] <crimsun> Madd_Marshall: and more
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: u mean the "w32codecs" ?? if i install real directly, do i nead to get w32codecs ?
[08:08] <Madd_Marshall> so it plays videos too
[08:08] <Agrajag> no
[08:08] <Agrajag> it plays music
[08:08] <Madd_Marshall> but winamp plays videos too
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: xmms doesnt play videos.
[08:08] <Agrajag> only recently
[08:08] <Madd_Marshall> shit
[08:08] <Madd_Marshall> i like how winamp does that
[08:08] <Agrajag> look, if you want something that does everything, use Totem
[08:09] <Zotnix> Thee is a plugin that allows it.
[08:09] <Zotnix> There*
[08:09] <Madd_Marshall> you think winamp will run with crossover office
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> totem SUCKS
[08:09] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you need at least w32codecs, but you also need the faad libs.
[08:09] <Madd_Marshall> well i like apps that do alot at once
[08:09] <Zotnix> xmms.org might have something posted in their plugin section
[08:09] <Madd_Marshall> like opera... does web and email
[08:09] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: the faad libs are for mp4
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i have only mpeg files....
[08:09] <Zotnix> Mozilla does web, email, and IRC... AND web developing :-p
[08:09] <Agrajag> and it's bloated and slow
[08:09] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: then install w32codecs
[08:10] <Agrajag> compared to firefox/thunderbird/sunbird/lightning/whatever
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: its 11 MB :(:( no other alternative ?
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: winamp works fine with wineX i hear
[08:11] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: just get it.
[08:11] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: or grab 'vlc' or 'totem-xine'
[08:11] <Madd_Marshall> never saw a pop3 client included in mozilla
[08:11] <Agrajag> Madd_Marshall: huh?
[08:11] <Madd_Marshall> whats bloated
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: then i dont need w32codecs?
[08:12] <Madd_Marshall> opera isnt bloated
[08:12] <Agrajag> like, mozilla mail?
[08:12] <Pyraine> this is the place to come for Ubuntu help?
[08:12] <Madd_Marshall> whats mozilla mail
[08:12] <Agrajag> the mail component of mozilla
[08:12] <twisted_steel> Pyraine: yes indeed
[08:12] <Madd_Marshall> im talking abotu firefox compared to opera
[08:12] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: if w32codecs is needed (a Depends), it will be retrieved as well.
 never saw a pop3 client included in mozilla
[08:12] <Agrajag> ???
[08:12] <Zotnix> Wow, I went to the XMMS site and see a plugin to play avi files.
[08:12] <Madd_Marshall> yea... i mean firefox
[08:12] <Agrajag> oh
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok then i am getting totem-xine isnt it an addone to totem ?
[08:12] <Agrajag> da_bon_bon:  no, it's a replacement
[08:12] <Brikkah> hello, can some help me with this problem : => http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9023
[08:12] <Madd_Marshall> whats the difference between mozilla and firefox
[08:13] <Pyraine> does anybody have BT Broadband modem working on Ubuntu?
[08:13] <Agrajag> it's totem linked against xien-lib instead of gstreamer
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> Agrajag: its a different program ?
[08:13] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no, it replaces it.
[08:13] <Madd_Marshall> opera has email and tabbed windows by default
[08:13] <Madd_Marshall> i like defaults
[08:13] <Agrajag> Madd_Marshall: firefox is just a browser
[08:13] <Madd_Marshall> it just makes me trust the developers more
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: thats oinly 4MB, i doubt whether it will play mpg files?
[08:13] <Agrajag> mozilla is a complete suite and application framework
[08:13] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: it will.
[08:13] <Madd_Marshall> suite of what
[08:13] <Agrajag> Madd_Marshall: if it's so great, why won't they let us have the source?
[08:13] <Madd_Marshall> is the browser included firefox
[08:13] <Agrajag> why do they have to hoard it?
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: well, i am getting totem-xine
[08:14] <Madd_Marshall> because they're not that cool yet
[08:14] <Madd_Marshall> but i dont think that it has to be open-source to be good
[08:14] <Madd_Marshall> oss is nice though.. i think
[08:14] <Madd_Marshall> im scared of compiling
[08:15] <Pyraine> does anybody have BT Voyager up and running on Ubuntu, or have any ideas on how to get it up and running?
[08:15] <BockBilbo> merry christmas to all ;)
[08:15] <BockBilbo> :D
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> haha - a newbie is here lol
[08:15] <Madd_Marshall> happy hanukkah
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> whats that?
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok so after it installs, i just run 'totem' as before and try to open the file ?
[08:15] <Pyraine> 'support'
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: why changed ur name ?
[08:16] <SuperNewb> anyone successfully use cedega with ubuntu 64?
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: u installed ubuntu 64?
[08:16] <SuperNewb> i feel that this name is much more suiting at this point in my linux endeavors
[08:16] <Crane> Hello Hello Hello
[08:16] <Agrajag> I don't think you could do that
[08:16] <RuffianSoldier> SuperNewb - why not?
[08:16] <Agrajag> you can't run 32-bit binaries on a 64-bit kernel, can you?
[08:16] <SuperNewb> why not what
[08:17] <SuperNewb> agra i think you can
[08:17] <Pyraine> jesus christ
[08:17] <SuperNewb> http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[08:17] <Crane> I am really impressed with how well ubuntu works with my usb card reader
[08:17] <Crane> :)
[08:17] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: correct.
[08:17] <SuperNewb> but as i dont have my rig yet... and im not allowed to install in on this pc
[08:17] <SuperNewb> i broke a pc back in the redhat 6.0 days
[08:17] <SuperNewb> bad attempt and formatting
[08:17] <Crane> how is everyone today?
[08:18] <Pyraine> upset
[08:18] <SuperNewb> pyraine whats wrong
[08:18] <Crane> y upset
[08:18] <SuperNewb> all you need is a pepsi
[08:18] <Pyraine> everyone is ignoring me ><
[08:18] <SuperNewb> i love pepsi... im addicted
[08:18] <SuperNewb> i need help
[08:18] <SuperNewb> pyraine - i missed the question
[08:18] <Crane> lol
[08:18] <pepsi> hi
[08:18] <SuperNewb> re-ask
[08:18] <Crane> it seems that way sometimes
[08:18] <Pyraine> i need to get my modem working
[08:18] <SuperNewb> oh shit... hi pepsi
[08:19] <pepsi> hehe
[08:19] <olimar> Hi all
[08:19] <SuperNewb> why are you so addicting
[08:19] <Pyraine> it's a BT Voyager 100
[08:19] <olimar> how can I add other locales to my ubuntu installation?
[08:19] <crimsun> (diet pepsi)++
[08:19] <SuperNewb> your sweet carbonated burning sensation as you go down
[08:19] <SuperNewb> its not right to tease me so
[08:19] <crimsun> olimar: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> is it worth upgrading to a 686 kernel on a pentium III ?
[08:19] <Pyraine> works fine on windows, because the install disc has .exe's
[08:19] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: yes.
[08:19] <SuperNewb> oh
[08:19] <SuperNewb> well what sorta modem
[08:19] <Crane> hmmmm
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: performance? speed?
[08:19] <Crane> phone?
[08:19] <SuperNewb> you shouldnt even need drivers... i usually dont
[08:20] <Crane> modem
[08:20] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: (yes)
[08:20] <Pyraine> well
[08:20] <RuffianSoldier> im so 733T!
[08:20] <Pyraine> how else would i get it to connect?
[08:20] <SuperNewb> dialup?
[08:20] <Pyraine> ADSL
[08:20] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: "l337?"
[08:20] <Pyraine> 512kps
[08:20] <SuperNewb> so ethernet card then
[08:20] <SuperNewb> hmmmm... for some reason i never have hardware problems
[08:20] <Dupke> hey, can someone help me?
[08:20] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun - you obviously dont play FPS
[08:20] <Crane> well there are dsl and cable modems as well
[08:20] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun: it means leet which means elite
[08:20] <Crane> let see what we can find
[08:21] <SuperNewb> well usually modems dont need drivers
[08:21] <olimar> great thenx crimson!
[08:21] <Pyraine> i dont even know how to make ubuntu detect hardware
[08:21] <SuperNewb> unless ur using USB with it
[08:21] <olimar> thanx
[08:21] <Pyraine> yes
[08:21] <Pyraine> it's USB
[08:21] <SuperNewb> oh damn you
[08:21] <stuNNed> crimsun, why is ssh only listening on tcp6?
[08:21] <SuperNewb> even on windows usb gives me shit
[08:21] <SuperNewb> hmmmm... what modem
[08:21] <Pyraine> BT Voyager 100
[08:22] <Pyraine> i found some guide on eciadsl but it's 100% too complex for me
[08:22] <kebac> SuperNewb: usually modems do need drivers, unless they are external
[08:22] <crimsun> stuNNed: huh?
[08:22] <Dupke> i'm having trouble to connect with a computer in my network ( computer is win2000) i don't have enough rights
[08:22] <SuperNewb> try http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/index.php?lang=en
[08:22] <kebac> SuperNewb: and connect through serial cable
[08:22] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: totem works now. thanks.
[08:22] <Pyraine> heh read what i just said ;)
[08:22] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: good.
 i found some guide on eciadsl but it's 100% too complex for me
[08:22] <SuperNewb> and http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/doc.php?lang=en&view=html
[08:22] <stuNNed> crimsun, sorry, netstat -tupan says ssh is listening on 'tcp6' is that ipv6 only?
[08:22] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: how do i install kernel 686 ?
[08:22] <crimsun> stuNNed: no, that includes IPv4
[08:22] <SuperNewb> oh
[08:23] <stuNNed> oh ok thanks
[08:23] <SuperNewb> so youve tried that?
[08:23] <Pyraine> well i looked at it
[08:23] <Pyraine> for a long time
[08:23] <Pyraine> i tried, i really did
[08:23] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: `sudo apt-get install linux-image-686'
[08:23] <Pyraine> but im only 16 and have no linux experience
[08:23] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: doesnt 'linux-686' work ?
[08:24] <SuperNewb> dont demean yourself... it just takes time...
[08:24] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: sure it will
[08:24] <SuperNewb> hmmm well what part confused you
[08:24] <SuperNewb> did you install the driver
[08:24] <Pyraine> the beginning
[08:24] <Pyraine> i didnt get a word of it
[08:24] <SuperNewb> hey guys what installer should he use for ubuntu
[08:24] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: however, 'linux-686' depends on your having access to the 'restricted' repo whereas 'linux-image-686' does not.
[08:24] <SuperNewb> debian?
[08:24] <SuperNewb> slackware?
[08:24] <SuperNewb> fedora
[08:24] <crimsun> SuperNewb: why not use the Ubuntu installer?
[08:24] <SuperNewb> ?
[08:24] <SuperNewb> redhat?
[08:24] <SuperNewb> there isnt one
[08:25] <crimsun> SuperNewb: on the CD?
[08:25] <SuperNewb> for this driver there are a few versions
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: totem quality aint good. what else do i have? mplayer?
[08:25] <crimsun> (I'm coming into this conversation late)
[08:25] <SuperNewb> nah im talking about the drivers for Pyraine's modem
[08:25] <crimsun> ah
[08:25] <Pyraine> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download/nortek-2021/
[08:25] <SuperNewb> would debian be the closest match?
[08:25] <Pyraine> they are the drivers
[08:25] <ogra> Pyraine: http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download/eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb
[08:25] <Pyraine> but i dont know how to install them
[08:25] <crimsun> well, one could always try the Sarge netinstall then dist-upgrade to Warty
[08:25] <SuperNewb> so yea... the debian one ok
[08:26] <crimsun> but ogra's urls are better
[08:26] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: totem quality aint good. what else do i have? mplayer?
[08:26] <SuperNewb> ok so download that
[08:26] <Pyraine> downlooad?
[08:26] <SuperNewb> then we'll go from there
[08:26] <Pyraine> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download/nortek-2021/
[08:26] <Pyraine> ?
[08:26] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: 'vlc', 'mplayer', ...
[08:26] <SuperNewb> the one ogra linked
[08:26] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: which is better ?
[08:26] <SuperNewb> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download/eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb
[08:26] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no idea; try them both.
[08:26] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: as you know, i have only 100mb download limit per month, so i need to be cautious...
[08:27] <Pyraine> it's downloaded but uh
[08:27] <SuperNewb> pyraine - you with me so far
[08:27] <Pyraine> i need to reinstall
[08:27] <Pyraine> ubuntu
[08:27] <SuperNewb> ok... now from there someone will have to confirm what to do next...
[08:27] <SuperNewb> why?
[08:27] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: I have no idea. I only use 'mplayer', so I can't speak for the others.
[08:27] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: mplayer-586 gives 'broken packages; and 'dependancy not met' error...
[08:27] <Pyraine> because i only have 2 harddrive slots
[08:27] <SuperNewb> hey ogra... how do you install a .deb package? is it like an RPM
[08:27] <Pyraine> and i have 3 harddrives
[08:28] <Dupke> i'm having trouble to connect with a computer in my network ( computer is win2000) i don't have enough rights
[08:28] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: did you follow the RestrictedFormats instructions?
[08:28] <ogra> SuperNewb: sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>
[08:28] <Pyraine> my ubuntu one is unplugged and packed away
[08:28] <SuperNewb> on fedora i could right-click and select install... not so sure about ubuntu...
[08:28] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i have the needed repos.
[08:28] <SuperNewb> ok Pyraine - you see that
[08:28] <SuperNewb> sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>
[08:28] <SuperNewb> so.,...
[08:28] <SuperNewb> sudo dpkg -i <eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb>
[08:28] <Pyraine> sudo dpkg?
[08:28] <ogra> i suspect a 2.6.9 kernel is needed.....
[08:28] <SuperNewb> i dont know what dpkg is...
[08:29] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: please see my sources.list on #flood
[08:29] <stuNNed> crimsun, do you have openssh-server installed? if so can you real quick 'ssh localhost' let me know if it works? if you are running unstable...
[08:29] <SuperNewb> but sudo is the root thing
[08:29] <SuperNewb> dpkg? driver package?
[08:29] <ogra> SuperNewb: dpkg = depian package manager
[08:29] <ogra> debian
[08:29] <SuperNewb> pyraine open your terminal
[08:29] <SuperNewb> and input
[08:29] <Pyraine> uh?
[08:29] <SuperNewb> sudo dpkg -i <eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb>
[08:29] <Pyraine> ok
[08:29] <Pyraine> is that all i would need to do?
[08:29] <Pyraine> where would i put the driver?
[08:29] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: please see #flood
[08:29] <Pyraine> just on the desktop?
[08:30] <SuperNewb> ogra... your the smart one... help me out here
[08:30] <ogra> SuperNewb: wait, that gets hairy, the driver will probably need a 2-6-9 kernel
[08:30] <SuperNewb> really? why 2.6.9
[08:30] <ogra> which is not available for hoary.....
[08:30] <ogra> sorry warty
[08:30] <SuperNewb> is that eciadsl thing that new
[08:31] <ogra> nope, but the 2.6.9 one provides a hook for it it seems
[08:31] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: then paste the full error for 'mplayer-586' in #flood
[08:31] <SuperNewb> shit
[08:31] <ogra> crimsun: marillat is brojen
[08:31] <ogra> +k
[08:31] <SuperNewb> is there a chance of a generic driver being on ubuntu... that he can just specify
[08:31] <DeepSpaceAnt> isnt Totem a derivation of MPlayer?
[08:31] <Pyraine> this is hurting my brain
[08:31] <ogra> DeepSpaceAnt: nope
[08:31] <SuperNewb> pyraine - yea it gets like that some time
[08:31] <Pyraine> so i put the driver on the desktop?
[08:31] <Pyraine> then type in terminal
[08:31] <SuperNewb> its all gets easier as you go on
[08:32] <ogra> SuperNewb: nope, i dont think so
[08:32] <Pyraine> sudo dpkg -i <eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb>
[08:32] <Pyraine> ?
[08:32] <SuperNewb> ogra... terminal finds .deb packages automatically right?
[08:32] <ogra> SuperNewb: this is a weird modem it seems
[08:32] <ogra> SuperNewb: nope
[08:32] <SuperNewb> yea... i think usb modems are evil... especially in linux
[08:32] <Pyraine> it's one of the most used modems in the UK
[08:32] <Pyraine> =\
[08:32] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: please see.
[08:32] <ogra> SuperNewb: copy them in the homdir of the user...
[08:32] <SuperNewb> just one more non-standard device to present problems
[08:33] <SuperNewb> pyraine - in the US our modems offer USB or Ethernet
[08:33] <SuperNewb> i chose ethernet as it is older and causes less problems
[08:33] <SuperNewb> my modem can do either
[08:33] <Pyraine> our ISP's just deliver, you don't have any say
[08:33] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: vlc might be smaller - including the gnome frontend I get a total of 9341 kB
[08:33] <SuperNewb> do you, by chance have a modem like mine
[08:33] <Dupke> how can i mount an extra HDD?
[08:33] <Pyraine> i dont know what yours is like/
[08:33] <SuperNewb> nope nvm i checked
[08:34] <ogra> SuperNewb: probably the cdc-acm driver could work, but i doubt it
[08:34] <SuperNewb> your is strictly usb
[08:34] <SuperNewb> you dsl company hates you
[08:34] <ogra> SuperNewb: its included in warty
[08:34] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: apt-cache policy mplayer-586
[08:34] <Pyraine> BT is the owner of all phone lines in UK
[08:34] <StolenShoeBox> Hello everyone I was wondering how I keep my software up to date?
[08:34] <SuperNewb> pyraine - so you know... everythign ogra is saying to me is for your eyes too as its yoru problem
[08:34] <SuperNewb> BT is evil
[08:34] <StolenShoeBox> i have gaim 1.0 but the newest is 1.2
[08:34] <SuperNewb> thats all im saying
[08:34] <Pyraine> yes im reading him
[08:35] <StolenShoeBox> 1.1*
[08:35] <Pyraine> so i put the driver in the homdir
[08:35] <Pyraine> and then type in terminal
[08:35] <Pyraine> sudo dpkg -i <eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb>
[08:35] <Pyraine> ?
[08:35] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: whats the size of mplayer?
[08:35] <SuperNewb> have you called them and asked yet
[08:35] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: did that. now what?
[08:35] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: let me check
[08:35] <SuperNewb> yea something like that
[08:35] <ogra> Pyraine: wait, i dont think this works out of the box
[08:35] <Pyraine> no im not wasting my money i would just get redirected
[08:35] <nyktovus> can someone help me make the machine shutdown when i tell it too
[08:35] <Pyraine> out of the box?
[08:35] <ogra> Pyraine: first lets see if something builtin works
[08:35] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: I get the same error as you, so it won't give me a total
[08:35] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: in #flood
[08:35] <nyktovus> when i go "shutdown" it go through the steps, but at the end i have to push the power button
[08:36] <SuperNewb> yea... always fo for included drivers first
[08:36] <Pyraine> maybe i should come back when i have ubuntu installed?
[08:36] <nyktovus> i think it has something to do with acpi
[08:36] <SuperNewb> haha... you havent installed it yet
[08:36] <ogra> Pyraine: oh, you havent yet ?
[08:36] <ogra> lol
[08:36] <Pyraine> i have
[08:36] <Pyraine> on my old harddrive
[08:36] <Pyraine> which is packed away
[08:36] <SuperNewb> ok?
[08:36] <SuperNewb> ahhh
[08:36] <SuperNewb> try the liveced
[08:36] <SuperNewb> maybe it will work
[08:36] <ogra> ok, we will nedd the system to check certain things
[08:36] <Pyraine> nah doesnt work for me
[08:36] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8486
[08:37] <SuperNewb> im tempted to try the livecd and put my modem in USB mode for a try
[08:37] <ogra> so you should come back then
[08:37] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: gaim 1.1 is in there
[08:37] <Pyraine> ok i will be back
[08:37] <SuperNewb> ogra... yea then we can go step by step
[08:37] <Pyraine> cya later
[08:37] <SuperNewb> whoops i mean pyraine
[08:37] <SuperNewb> cya
[08:37] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you're not pasting what I asked you to
[08:37] <SuperNewb> haha... all that and he hasnt installed it yet
[08:37] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: I've obviously already seen your apt-get output :)
[08:37] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: so what do I do with the link? =)
[08:38] <ogra> SuperNewb: american modems i know mostly work with the cdc-acm driver
[08:38] <ogra> SuperNewb: usb wise
[08:38] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: please see
[08:38] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: go into synaptic and add warty-backports to the repositories list
[08:39] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: thx =)
[08:39] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: no problem :)
[08:39] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: now how about burning audio cds? =)
[08:39] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: you only need to add the stable branch for gaim
[08:40] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: I don't have any experience with burning audio cds in ubuntu
[08:41] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: i see. Well what about firefox and xchat?
[08:41] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: well firefox and xchat should also be in the backports repository
[08:41] <SuperNewb> ogra - that is unwise of his company to provide a usb only modem
[08:41] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: I remember seeing firefox in there
[08:41] <SuperNewb> a ethernet card is what... 5-10bucks
[08:42] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: ya it is =P (now that i look)
[08:42] <ogra> its cheaper in production SuperNewb
[08:42] <SuperNewb> really?
[08:42] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: how about java?
[08:42] <SuperNewb> yea i suppose thats possible
[08:42] <ogra> less HW, smaller cases
[08:42] <ogra> less power
[08:42] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#jre
[08:42] <SuperNewb> well in my experience is that going cheap on cable modems is no good
[08:42] <SuperNewb> ive had alot of problems with shit modems
[08:42] <SuperNewb> finally forced them to give me a good one
[08:43] <SuperNewb> they were at my house weekly
[08:43] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu#Java_1.5
[08:43] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: thx!
[08:43] <SuperNewb> ogra
[08:43] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: there is a ubuntu package
[08:43] <SuperNewb> are nvidia drivers really included with ubuntu?
[08:44] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: huh? lol
[08:44] <ogra> SuperNewb: yep, not on the cd though
[08:44] <SuperNewb> ??
[08:44] <SuperNewb> what is the setup thing
[08:44] <ogra> SuperNewb: you get them from universe....
[08:44] <SuperNewb> equivalent of yast and you
[08:44] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: ahh i see will this install java for mozilla 2?
[08:44] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: yep
[08:45] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: awesome thx
[08:45] <tolstoy_> so, hoary evo exchange connector is broken (authentication)?
[08:45] <stuNNed> ogra, do you have ssh server installed on unstable?
[08:45] <ogra> SuperNewb: there is none... it are rather single apps, good integrated
[08:45] <SuperNewb> single apps...
[08:45] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: i updated to hoary and my resolution was stuck at soem thing liek 640x480 or soemthing
[08:45] <SuperNewb> ok... hmmm
[08:45] <ogra> stuNNed: nope, why ? probs ?
[08:45] <stuNNed> ogra,
[08:45] <Pyraine> this is odd
[08:45] <stuNNed> yes
[08:45] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: no oen knew how to fix it so I just reinstalled warty
[08:46] <Pyraine> it won't let me partition my harddrive
[08:46] <Pyraine> it says 'root file not found'
[08:46] <SuperNewb> hey pyraine is back
[08:46] <Pyraine> but i didn't do any of that 'RAID' stuff, because i didnt understand it
[08:46] <SuperNewb> hmmmm... what wont partition it
[08:46] <SuperNewb> ubuntu installer?
[08:46] <Pyraine> yes
[08:46] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: the X dev is on holidays currently.....if hes back this will get fixed soon i guess
[08:46] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: please see #flood!
[08:46] <stuNNed> ogra, everything looks correct but get connection refused and notice it's using dbus-launch so don't know if it's related
[08:46] <SuperNewb> shit that i dunno... i used windows to clear the drive... then let the installer auto format....
[08:47] <SuperNewb> does it let you create a root?
[08:47] <Pyraine> yeah i dont want to clear the drive
[08:47] <Pyraine> there isnt an option
[08:47] <stuNNed> ogra, think it used to work fine
[08:47] <Pyraine> if i wanted to clear the drive, it would work
[08:47] <SuperNewb> my only experience is with the fedora installer... sorry
[08:47] <stuNNed> ogra, and nothing in logs
[08:47] <Pyraine> i have another idea, be back soon
[08:47] <SuperNewb> hmmm... you said you had ubuntu on the drive already, correct?
[08:47] <SuperNewb> oh ok
[08:47] <ogra> stuNNed: i got no access to my hoary box currently... i will check it then....
[08:48] <stuNNed> ogra, that's great, thanks, i can file a bug report if you can confirm
[08:48] <stuNNed> ogra, /query me with results if you will so i don't loose it on scroll up
[08:48] <ogra> stuNNed: k
[08:49] <SuperNewb> is /query a PM?
[08:49] <stuNNed> yes
[08:49] <SuperNewb> i was tired of not getting a window using /pm
[08:49] <SuperNewb> thanks
[08:50] <da_bon_bon> anyone how can i improve totems video quality ?
[08:50] <SuperNewb> this is killing me... the earliest i can get ubuntu installed is next saturday
[08:50] <mjr> get better quality videos ;)
[08:50] <SuperNewb> da_bon is something bad about it
[08:50] <SuperNewb> usually video players render well enough
[08:51] <SuperNewb> my new video card actually has enhancements for videos... its awesome... and HD support
[08:52] <da_bon_bon> mjr: no the video quallitys good in windows...
[08:52] <ogra> da_bon_bon: do you use totem or totem-xine ?
[08:53] <SuperNewb> is it blurring?
[08:54] <da_bon_bon> ogra: totem-xine
[08:54] <ogra> da_bon_bon: hmm, looks good here
[08:54] <ogra> da_bon_bon: you could try vlc, its in universe....and has a mozilla plugin
[08:55] <Seq> ogra: mplayer and gxine both have mozilla plugins too. (though gxine's sucks)
[08:55] <SuperNewb> is it old
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> "hmm, looks good here" -> meaning?
[08:55] <ogra> Seq: mplayer is not installable anymore
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> Seq: mplayer doenst owrk
[08:56] <ogra> da_bon_bon: my videos have good quality in totem-xine ....
[08:56] <Seq> works for me, im just using a different repository as stated in the wiki
[08:56] <ApesMa> Instructions for installing Firefox 1.0 recommend uninstalling current firefox, but synaptic won't do that without also uninstalling ubuntu-desktop, which seems a bit extreme.  Is it safe to run the 1.0 installer w/o uninstalling the firefox version already in place?
[08:56] <ogra> Seq: which one ? lets update the wiki
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> ApesMa: try dpkg -i mozilla-*firefox
[08:56] <SuperNewb> ogra - could you elaborate, or show me where i can read about, how ubuntu doesnt need to use YaST or YOU type programs...
[08:57] <SuperNewb> is it more like windows in that they can install on their own?
[08:57] <ApesMa> da_bon_bon: Thanks! Will do.
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> Seq: can u please tell me now sothat i can install ?
[08:57] <Quest-Master> I hate YaST ><
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> ApesMa: try and tell me...
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: i like yat, i wish it were here in ubuntu...
[08:57] <SuperNewb> never used yast
[08:57] <ApesMa> da_bon_bon: I presume that entails sudo.
[08:57] <SuperNewb> all ive used is YUM
[08:57] <ogra> SuperNewb: there are single programs like synaptic, gnome-system-tolls etc
[08:57] <SuperNewb> and not very well
[08:57] <ogra> tools
[08:57] <Seq> ApesMa: thats if you're doing a manual install. upgrading though package management will remove the old version. also watch your profile though
[08:57] <Quest-Master> Synaptic is much better
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> ApesMa: yes. or u can try 'root terminal'
[08:57] <SuperNewb> ok
[08:57] <Quest-Master> YaST is yuck. x_x
[08:58] <SuperNewb> but would i use it like i used YUM?
[08:58] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Did you have Suse Personal or Professional?
[08:58] <Seq> let me find which repository it is in. i seriously just copied the instructions from the wiki
[08:58] <Quest-Master> SuperNewb: apt-get > YUM :)
[08:58] <Seq> are you guys running warty or hoary
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> Seq: can u please tell me new repo to install mplayer?
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: personal 9.1
[08:58] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Don't
[08:58] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Install it from source
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: why?
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: why?
[08:58] <SuperNewb> apt-get is the YUM equivalent... got it
[08:58] <Quest-Master> The repos. mplayer is messed up.
[08:58] <SuperNewb> so synaptic is for installing
[08:59] <Quest-Master> No
[08:59] <da_bon_bon> seq has a new repo from which he does it...
[08:59] <SuperNewb> because yum downloaded and installed apps i though
[08:59] <Quest-Master> Synaptic is a visual way of apt-get
[08:59] <ogra> Seq: from restricted formats?
[08:59] <Quest-Master> apt-get is just like yum
[08:59] <SuperNewb> ok how do you install the .deb packages
[08:59] <Quest-Master> Like this: sudo apt-get install python
[08:59] <Quest-Master> That's it.
[08:59] <SuperNewb> shit is there like s debian book
[08:59] <Quest-Master> It installs everything for you
[08:59] <Seq> da_bon_bon, ogra: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:59] <SuperNewb> ok
[08:59] <Quest-Master> All you do is apt-get install, and it does everything for you
[08:59] <Quest-Master> Not very difficult
[08:59] <Seq> da_bon_bon, ogra: thats where i got the repository from
[09:00] <ogra> Seq: i wrote half of this wiki ;)
[09:00] <SuperNewb> so synaptic is just like YUM was... but better
[09:00] <SuperNewb> ok
[09:00] <Seq> ogra: and it works very well.
[09:00] <Quest-Master> I wouldn't trust the repos. MPlayer
[09:00] <SuperNewb> im just trying to see what will do the same things i did in fedora
[09:00] <ogra> Seq: not anymore
[09:00] <Quest-Master> It broke my Ubuntu, I had to reinstall.
[09:00] <ogra> Seq: when did you install mplayer ?
[09:00] <Quest-Master> SuperNewb: Any other questions?
[09:00] <Seq> ogra: two or three weeks ago
[09:01] <SuperNewb> does ubuntu have a system restore type app?
[09:01] <ogra> Seq: marillat has recompiled the packages with new dependencys
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> Seq: please post your sources.list on #flood ?
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: even i am searchin for one.
[09:01] <ogra> da_bon_bon: he used marillat back when it worked
[09:01] <usual> cool gimp 2.2 is in hoary
[09:01] <Seq> ogra: his are targeted at debian unstable directly, arn't they?
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> ogra: oh. so now i install from source?
[09:01] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Very easy
[09:01] <SuperNewb> whats universal?
[09:01] <Quest-Master> Download the .tar.gz
[09:02] <SuperNewb> a repo?
[09:02] <Quest-Master> You mean universe, SuperNewb
[09:02] <SuperNewb> yea universe
[09:02] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: untar the .tar.gz
[09:02] <ogra> Seq: there have gotten some new packages into sarge....which wont go to warty
[09:02] <Quest-Master> Go in the terminal, da_bon_bon
[09:02] <SuperNewb> what is it
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: i need to download the codecs and fonts too, right ?
[09:02] <punkrockguy318> how can I get coaster for warty?
[09:02] <Quest-Master> And type this in: ./configure, make, make install
[09:02] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: yes. Install those first.
[09:02] <ogra> da_bon_bon: add a deb-src line for marillat, then compile a debian package .... its quite easy
[09:03] <Quest-Master> Supernewb: It is a place where you can get programs from
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> ogra: how ?
[09:03] <SuperNewb> a repository right
[09:03] <Quest-Master> You can do what ogra said too
[09:03] <Quest-Master> SuperNewb: yes
[09:03] <Seq> ogra: what if you install an older version from his repo manually
[09:03] <ogra> da_bon_bon: i dunno the deb-src line, lets see
[09:03] <Seq> ogra: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[09:03] <SuperNewb> hey ogra - that site shows you how to install the nvidia drivers?  does installing the drivers automatically add 3d-acceleration?
[09:03] <Seq> ogra: there is the older ones, including the one im using there.
[09:04] <ogra> SuperNewb: yep
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: is vlc better than mplayer?
[09:04] <SuperNewb> awesome
[09:04] <SuperNewb> i read that enabling 3d-acceleration was like a quest for the holy grail
[09:04] <SuperNewb> now im less worried
[09:04] <Agrajag> SuperNewb: if you have ATi it's not as easy
[09:05] <Agrajag> gotta love nvidia for one thing: drivers that don't suck
[09:05] <ogra> SuperNewb: these are official packages, they work well on warty
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> ogra: please tell me - do i downloadthe .tar.gz ?
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: is vlc better than mplayer?
[09:05] <SuperNewb> nvidia 6800gt
[09:05] <ogra> Agrajag: ati is as easy as nvidia in ubuntu
[09:05] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Not really
[09:05] <SuperNewb> yea i knew about Ati's linux shortcomings so i chose wisely
[09:05] <ogra> da_bon_bon: nope...let me find a deb-src line
[09:05] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: MPlayer can play just about everything.. and it has a plugin for Mozilla so you can stream online stuff
[09:06] <SuperNewb> but ati drivers still suck though
[09:06] <Dupke> when i try to access my windows2000 server i get a dialog that i don't have the right permissions, how can i login with a username and password to this computer??
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: but the codecs are 8.9 MB!!!
[09:06] <SuperNewb> from what ive read they are really lagging in making decent linux drivers
[09:06] <punkrockguy318> is gnome coaster in the hoary repo?
[09:06] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: It's not that bad. Trust me. ;)
[09:07] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Do this too.. sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[09:07] <Seq> ogra: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/mplayer-586_1.0-pre5-0.9_i386.deb
[09:07] <ogra> da_bon_bon: paste this in your sources.list, then run apt-get update : deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: thats 11 MB... better than that i wil ljust stick to totem
[09:07] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: 11MB is really nothing. Why are you worried?
[09:07] <Seq> ogra: the timestamp in that is from dec 5, and thats the version i have installed (i cant see him recompiling with new deps without changing the package revision)
[09:07] <ogra> Seq: there are dependencys...that can get hard.....
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: i have a monthly download limit of 100 mb only...
[09:08] <Arricka> how do I adjust my computer so that I can run in more resolutions? right now when I try and change resolution I only have 1024x768 and a couple of others
[09:08] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Oh.. that sucks
[09:08] <ApesMa> Ah... Google is my friend. I found the backports page and will investigate that further. Mele Kalikimaka, everyone.
[09:08] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Stick to totem-xine then
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: so, can i improve it quality, or no?
[09:08] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Remove totem
[09:09] <punkrockguy318> where can I find a hoary package list?
[09:09] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Install gxine.. sudo apt-get install gxine
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: and then how do i play videos?
[09:09] <Quest-Master> gxine is much better, da_bon_bon
[09:09] <SuperNewb> why is it that everythign in linux looks so big
[09:09] <Quest-Master> SuperNewb: What is your resolution?
[09:09] <SuperNewb> 1024x768 on linux has much more usable space than on windows at same resolution
[09:09] <ogra> heh
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: and i completely remove totem-xine? cant i jsut let it remain ?
[09:09] <Quest-Master> I use 1280x1024.. maximum of my monitor
[09:09] <Quest-Master> Well
[09:10] <Seq> ogra: would this work: apt-get install mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre5-0.9
[09:10] <Quest-Master> I'd remove totem-xine da_bon_bon
[09:10] <SuperNewb> i had to bump up the resolution to get an equal amount of space
[09:10] <Quest-Master> It'll just eat your space
[09:10] <Quest-Master> You don't need it once you have gxine
[09:10] <ogra> Seq: hmm, let me try
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: hey gxine is just 400kb NIICE.
[09:10] <Quest-Master> :)
[09:10] <SuperNewb> yea 1280x1024 is what i had to bump it to i think
[09:10] <Arricka> I want to change the resolution from 1024 to something higher, but it's not listed as an option. how do I add more resolutions to the list? My video card can handle it
[09:10] <SuperNewb> 12xx x xxx
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: but do totem-xine and gxine interfere with each other?
[09:10] <usual> the gnome build in hoary is only 3 days old :)
[09:10] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: No, but I'd still totem-xine since it is useless
[09:11] <punkrockguy318>  usual where can I find a pkglist for hoary?
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: ok.
[09:11] <usual> punkrockguy318, it pretty much follows with debian sid
[09:11] <punkrockguy318> usual, oh
[09:11] <punkrockguy318> usual, does it include coaster?
[09:11] <usual> punkrockguy318, so you could prob go to debian.org and search unstable packages
[09:11] <blokje> somebody knows where i can find xfce4.2 debs for ubuntu (hoary)
[09:11] <usual> punkrockguy318, no :(
[09:11] <punkrockguy318> usual, aww... that's a shame
[09:12] <usual> punkrockguy318, use apt-cache search blah to search for packages
[09:12] <punkrockguy318> usual, yeah, but i'm running warty
[09:13] <crimsun> blokje: there are none yet, but Benny M. maintains some for i386 at http://www.os-cillation.de/debian
[09:13] <crimsun> carajean: I know absolutely nothing regarding WoW, sorry
[09:13] <blokje> crimsun: I know.. but i'm a 64bits monkey :)
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> is it possible to install k3b ?
[09:14] <crimsun> blokje: etorix maintains the amd64 ports of said i386 debs.
[09:14] <SuperNewb> etorix?
[09:14] <SuperNewb> 64bit is the future... start embracing it now!
[09:15] <SuperNewb> hey... what do you guys think the true numbers are
[09:15] <SuperNewb> the true percentage for windows to linux users
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: i will embrace it when someone gives me a processor, and i can get rid of my pIII :)
[09:15] <SuperNewb> dual boot included as linux
[09:15] <ogra> da_bon_bon: whats wrong with pIII
[09:15] <SuperNewb> you believe linux is really only 5%
[09:16] <ogra> da_bon_bon: other then that its not ppc ?
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> ogra: SuperNewb told everyone to embrace 64bit, thats why ...
[09:16] <SuperNewb> i love microsoft... they amuse me
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> ogra: u have ppc ?
[09:16] <SuperNewb> ppc?
[09:16] <SuperNewb> power pc
[09:16] <ogra> da_bon_bon: both....i386 and ppc
[09:16] <SuperNewb> i always assumed those were macs
[09:16] <ogra> SuperNewb: yep
[09:16] <SuperNewb> they arent macs are they
[09:16] <ogra> they are
[09:17] <SuperNewb> oh... you answered too soon... didnt think you were replying to that
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: suddenly, totem-xines quality seems to have improved.
[09:17] <SuperNewb> da_bon... what did you do
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> ogra: u ahve a i386 o_o ?? or a i686?
[09:17] <SuperNewb> put your glasses on?
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: eyes wide with surprise...
[09:17] <SuperNewb> whats an amd64
[09:17] <ogra> da_bon_bon: i686
[09:17] <SuperNewb> ix86
[09:18] <SuperNewb> i586?
[09:18] <SuperNewb> i never understood that shit
[09:18] <ogra> SuperNewb: amd64 is a 64 bit cpu
[09:18] <SuperNewb> yea i know
[09:18] <SuperNewb> but is there an ixxx for it
[09:18] <ogra> SuperNewb: ix86 (where x can be 3,4,5 or 6) is 32 bit
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> ahhh. totem-xine works and everything fine. i wisk i could 'apt-get remove --purge windowsxp'
[09:18] <SuperNewb> i have an amd64... i mean it i386, i586, i686 shit
[09:18] <SuperNewb> oh....
[09:19] <Seq> we're supposed to standarly call it x86-64 , since intel's 64 bit chips will be compatable, and obviously not called amd64
[09:19] <SuperNewb> so just x86_64
[09:19] <SuperNewb> ok
[09:19] <ogra> SuperNewb: you got a xeon ?
[09:19] <SuperNewb> hell no!
[09:19] <SuperNewb> i hate intel
[09:20] <SuperNewb> they just dont have their priorities right IMO
[09:20] <ogra> SuperNewb athlon 64 then
[09:20] <SuperNewb> yup
[09:20] <ogra> thats amd64
[09:20] <SuperNewb>  amd 64 3200DTR
[09:20] <SuperNewb> athlong64 works too
[09:20] <SuperNewb> amd athlon 64
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> when will ubuntu be a _really well-known_ distro? i mean u find binaries for all linuxes but ntot ubuntu :(:(
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> when will ubuntu be a _really well-known_ distro? i mean u find binaries for all linuxes but ntot ubuntu :(:(
[09:21] <SuperNewb> 4 years?
[09:21] <mjg59> da_bon_bon: Please don't repeat questions
[09:21] <mjg59> Most Debian binaries will work fine on ubuntu
[09:21] <SuperNewb> it seems that it will take a few years for distros to become a top known one
[09:21] <SuperNewb> they have to prove themselves by staying around for a while
[09:21] <ogra> da_bon_bon: same goes for debian, thats because most stuff is already in the repos
[09:21] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: Ubuntu is already a very visible (high-profile) distro due simply because of its strong Debian background.
[09:21] <da_bon_bon> mjg59: which question did i repeat??
 when will ubuntu be a _really well-known_ distro? i mean u find binaries for all linuxes but ntot ubuntu :(:(
 when will ubuntu be a _really well-known_ distro? i mean u find binaries for all linuxes but ntot ubuntu :(:(
[09:22] <SuperNewb> whoops
[09:22] <ogra> da_bon_bon: read upwards :)
[09:22] <gwildor> da_bon_bon, you always doulbe post
[09:22] <SuperNewb> i didnt think it would do that dor me too
[09:22] <gwildor> err, sometimes
[09:22] <SuperNewb> gwildor... does he
[09:22] <SuperNewb> ok because thats the first ive seen
[09:22] <ogra> gwildor: small G ??
[09:22] <ApesMa> Ack. The advice on the backports page (http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/) is not working (at least at the moment). synaptic doesn't find the stuff on the site. I double checked that I typed the added line as shown on the page. Lookint at http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/universe/binary-i386 I see packages.  Is someone here using warty-backports successfully?
[09:22] <Seq> ogra: did that mplayer work?
[09:22] <da_bon_bon> gwildor: problem is, that i got disconnected, and thot that the post hadnt been done.
[09:22] <da_bon_bon> so please all pardon me...
[09:22] <ogra> Seq: oh, sorry, nope didnt
[09:22] <gwildor> ogra, thnx....didnt notice that
[09:22] <Seq> crap. what error did you get?
[09:22] <SuperNewb> ogra - when i install ubuntu... will i have to configure synaptic like i had to for yum?
[09:23] <Seq> or did it install fine and just not work
[09:23] <ogra> SuperNewb: easier
[09:23] <SuperNewb> or will it have a working config file with up to date links to repos
[09:23] <Arricka> so how do I rerun the base configuration so I can run in more resolutions?
[09:23] <mjg59> Arricka: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:23] <Arricka> thanks
[09:23] <SuperNewb> crossover office isnt free is it
[09:23] <ogra> Seq: nope, apt didnt like the version... i'll test it later if i'm not chatting .....
[09:23] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i am finding that more and more people are liking ubuntu... i mean i got FC3 for $3.5 (INR 235) and ubuntu i got _absolutely_ free and i like ubuntu i unuinstalled FC3 for that purpose..
[09:24] <SuperNewb> point2play is not just for games is it?
[09:24] <Seq> ogra: im assuming you had that repo in your sources.list? solutions are never that easy :p
[09:24] <ApesMa> Seq: "Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_warty-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) -stat (2 No such file or directory)
[09:24] <ogra> Seq: sure
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> i heard that gentoo takes 2-3 days to install... is it true??
[09:24] <Seq> ApesMa: pretty?
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> can someone please explain me what backports are?
[09:25] <kebac> has anyone used canon a80 or similar with linux?
[09:25] <ogra> da_bon_bon: there are precompiled binarys for gentoo
[09:25] <ApesMa> Seq: Sorry, not sure what you're asking.
[09:25] <ogra> da_bon_bon: so it must not take 3 days
[09:25] <Seq> ApesMa: i wasnt sure what you were asking me first
[09:25] <ogra> da_bon_bon: but if you compile _everything_ ;)
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> ogra: must not take 3 days?? for what ?
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> ogra: oh ok i undrestand..
[09:25] <Seq> if you use the binary packages, its not that long
[09:26] <ApesMa> Seq: Sorry; you were probably talking to someone else.
[09:26] <Seq> but if you're doing it entirely from source it takes a very, very long time to have a full desktop
[09:26] <Se7h> x-mas is coming to you, have you asked santa your ubuntu cd?
[09:26] <Se7h> ;P
 Seq: "Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_warty-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) -stat (2 No such file or directory)
[09:26] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: it doesn't take that long to install
[09:26] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: even with compiling everything
[09:26] <da_bon_bon> who from here has tried gentoo and liked it enough to make it their main distro ?
[09:27] <ApesMa> Seq: thought you had asked me for the error message I got when I tried to use warty-backports w/synaptic.
[09:27] <ogra> twisted_steel: depends on your cpu ;)
[09:27] <Seq> da_bon_bon: me ;)
[09:27] <Seq> ApesMa: no, i was asking ogra for errors with mplayer :P sorry
[09:27] <SuperNewb> what bootloader is better
[09:27] <da_bon_bon> Seq: how many distros have u installed?
[09:27] <SuperNewb> GRUB or LILO
[09:27] <twisted_steel> ogra: that's true, I wouldn't want to try it on a p1
[09:27] <ogra> SuperNewb: grub of yourse
[09:28] <ogra> twisted_steel: imagine 486 ;)
[09:28] <Seq> da_bon_bon: im using ubuntu on my laptop and now on my server (was debian woody), and gentoo on my desktop
[09:28] <SuperNewb> well i figured that as most installers use it... but i wasnt sure why lilo still exists then
[09:28] <da_bon_bon> Seq: ok
[09:28] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: u run which distro ?
[09:28] <ApesMa> da_bon_bon: I use gentoo. Tried FC3 recently, and I am not happy--gnome-cd behaves strangely, and it doesn't work and play well with the VIA sound driver on a mobo I'm using.
[09:28] <SuperNewb> is linux in a nutshell the best book
[09:28] <Seq> i've been using gentoo for quite a while on the desktop, but i usually wipe my laptop between semesters at school and decided to go with ubuntu this time
[09:28] <SuperNewb> the only book i have is linux complete... from 1999
[09:29] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: I used to have gentoo on my desktop, but wanted to try out ubuntu on it before I put in on my laptop
[09:29] <da_bon_bon> ApesMa: does gentoo have better device support than other distros?
[09:29] <acetech> is ubuntu essentially debian?
[09:29] <da_bon_bon> most people here have a pc and a laptop, i see...
[09:29] <ApesMa> da_bon_bon: I don't know enough to have an informed opinion on that.
[09:29] <Seq> da_bon_bon: all distros are linux. that said, ubuntu is pretty easy because it has all the fancy-shmancy udev stuff by default
 device support is normally through the kernel
[09:30] <_iKe_> hi
[09:30] <SuperNewb> shhh.. everyone pretend you didnt hear him
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> Seq: what, essentially, is udev?
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: who?
[09:30] <Seq> da_bon_bon: but the device support itself should be pretty much exactly the same
[09:30] <ApesMa> I'm toying with switching from gentoo. The day-long compiles for KDE are getting old.
[09:30] <SuperNewb> ike... it was a joke... forget it
[09:31] <SuperNewb> anyone have any linux books that they would liek to suggest
[09:31] <SuperNewb> i would liek to not have to pick your brains for everything
[09:31] <acetech> what would be advantages/disadvantages of switching from debian to ubuntu?
[09:31] <_iKe_> :?
[09:31] <SuperNewb> and i need somethign to read while im at work that wont hurt my eyes anymore
[09:31] <da_bon_bon> Seq: what does udev do? what is it ?
[09:31] <punkrockguy318> acetech, ubuntu is more stable
[09:31] <Seq> da_bon_bon: its just a way of automatically creating device files, much like devfs was before. thats not important though, the cool part is that it allows for hal and dbus, and actual system interaction when plugging in a camera, for example
[09:31] <punkrockguy318> acetech, it nicely polished
[09:31] <acetech> SuperNewb, the library has alot of nix books
[09:32] <SuperNewb> ike i was talking to da_bon_bon... not u... but i was talking abotu you
[09:32] <ogra> acetech: a stable system with security updates ?
[09:32] <SuperNewb> but i nut a nux books
[09:32] <ApesMa> SuperNewb: Linux books are starting to be like those books you used to see "Internet Yellow Pages." They're out of date by the time they're on the shelves.
[09:32] <acetech> is there more packages in ubuntu?
[09:32] <ogra> acetech: nope, same amount
[09:32] <punkrockguy318> acetech, nope, the same amount
[09:32] <da_bon_bon> acetech: use synaptic
[09:32] <SuperNewb> well yea... but there ought to be one that is good enough...
[09:33] <_iKe_> i just installed a softmodem (Conexant) on ubuntu, i hear the modem dial but i can't get on the internet, can anybody help me or should i just try every possible configuration?
[09:33] <acetech> do i just need to change sources.list to switch over?
[09:33] <punkrockguy318> acetech, i don't know how smooth that would work
[09:33] <GotD0t> im in hoary, and the window list shows everything very small... instead of having them stretch to the entire width
[09:34] <ogra> SuperNewb: the prob is that lots of ppl here speak different langs.... i didnt read a english book back then when i started with linux
[09:34] <ApesMa> da_bon_bon: Another thing that's bugging the heck out of me lately about gentoo is having emakes interrupted by not finding some tar.{bz2, gz} that I have to go find manually so the emerge can proceed.
[09:34] <Seq> GotD0t: the workaround im doing is right-clicking on the task list, and increasing the minimum size to just fill the panel
[09:34] <ApesMa> Ooops...s/emake/emerge/ :)
[09:34] <ogra> SuperNewb: and i dont know how good your german is ;)
[09:34] <SuperNewb> nonexistant
[09:34] <Seq> ApesMa: really? of what packages
[09:35] <da_bon_bon> ApesMa: i have heard problems about emrge lately...
[09:35] <ogra> GotD0t: someone wanted to file a bug about this yesterday.....look if its there, else file one
[09:35] <da_bon_bon> Seq: how does udev make a difference for me - the end user ?
[09:35] <acetech> anyone know some good sites to read about transgaming with apt-get?
[09:35] <GotD0t> ogra: thanks
[09:35] <ogra> SuperNewb: heh
[09:35] <SuperNewb> ogra - what about this http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131488724/002-0239276-7817614?v=glance&s=books
[09:35] <Seq> da_bon_bon: you plug in a camera, and gnome asks you if you'd like to import those photos
[09:35] <ApesMa> Seq: ack. I'm in OK visiting relatives; would need to do "history | grep emerge" up in Iowa to remind myself. Sorry.
[09:35] <ogra> GotD0t: welcome.....merry xmas
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> Seq: oh. so it was not earlier possible?
[09:36] <ogra> lol
[09:36] <ogra> sorry
[09:36] <GotD0t> dont worry bout it
[09:36] <Seq> da_bon_bon: well you could have stuff auto mount when detected, but it wasn't easy to have specific things happen for specific kinds of devices
[09:36] <ogra> GotD0t: so have a nice evening at least ;)
[09:36] <SuperNewb> i wasnt so serious abotu that book.... looked neat though... doesnt look serious though
[09:37] <GotD0t> ogra: oh i will, going over to some friends house for their christmas dinner... then to a movie probably... best night of the year to go to the movies
[09:37] <ogra> SuperNewb: yep, thats what i thought too
[09:37] <SuperNewb> the linux cookbook was published last month
[09:37] <SuperNewb> its an oreilly
[09:37] <da_bon_bon> Seq: but, gxine doest detect my cdrom drive - udev creates device nodes as and when wanted - is that hte problem ?
[09:37] <ogra> GotD0t: empty cinemas heh
[09:37] <Seq> da_bon_bon: no, it creates them when devices are connected
[09:38] <SuperNewb> screw books...
[09:38] <Seq> da_bon_bon: if its not detecting your cd drive, it's looking for the wrong device file.
[09:38] <ogra> SuperNewb: sounds good... normally orilley stands for quality OSS wise
[09:38] <da_bon_bon> Seq: oh, then why doesnt gxine detect my cd drive?
[09:38] <Seq> da_bon_bon: gxine doesn't use hal, so its not automagical
[09:38] <SuperNewb> yea but the cookbook seems for IT based
[09:38] <SuperNewb> i want for desktop use...
[09:38] <da_bon_bon> Seq: i ahve created the proper symlinks.
[09:38] <Seq> da_bon_bon: you still have to tell it where your cdrom is
[09:38] <SuperNewb> the linux in a nutshell looked good
[09:39] <da_bon_bon> Seq: how ?
[09:39] <Seq> da_bon_bon: are there preferences?
[09:39] <da_bon_bon> do we have any books on ubuntu ?
[09:39] <ogra> SuperNewb: i think its a good start ( linux in a nutshell)
[09:39] <da_bon_bon> Seq: yes
[09:39] <ogra> da_bon_bon: ubuntu exists since october......
[09:39] <ogra> da_bon_bon: ... its hard to write  book in 3 months
[09:39] <SuperNewb> theres a debian bible
[09:40] <Seq> da_bon_bon: under the 'gui' in preferences, set the experience to advanced
[09:40] <Seq> da_bon_bon: then go to the input tab
[09:40] <SuperNewb> theres a linux for dummys book coming out next month
[09:40] <da_bon_bon> Seq: theres 'no' gui in preferences
[09:40] <ogra> SuperNewb: do you feel like a dummy ?
[09:40] <Seq> da_bon_bon: you said gxine, right?
[09:41] <da_bon_bon> Seq: yes.
[09:41] <da_bon_bon> Seq: anyway, tell me what to do in input
[09:41] <Seq> there are device listings, just make sure they're pointing at the right devices
[09:41] <SuperNewb> linux bible 2005 looks cool...
[09:41] <ogra> SuperNewb: sounds good
[09:42] <Seq> da_bon_bon: actually, also make sure that you are in the appropriate group to access your cdrom
[09:42] <da_bon_bon> Seq: i ahve proper groups.
[09:43] <da_bon_bon> linux bible 2005 has SOOOO many distros
[09:44] <SuperNewb> ogra - indeed i do
[09:44] <SuperNewb> it comes with like 6 distros on the dvd
[09:45] <SuperNewb> ncludes Fedora Core 3, Debian Linux, SUSE Linux, Knoppix, Gentoo Linux, Slackware Linux, Mandrake Linux, Damn Small Linux, and a Linux firewall and router on DVD
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: ooo i wish i had a dvd drive.
[09:45] <ogra> SuperNewb: nobody should  feel like a dummy ..... we all have started with linux once..... we all once were new :)
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> thats 8 distros.
[09:45] <SuperNewb> yup... not a bad selection either....
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> hey how can they fit so many distros on a single dvd ?
[09:46] <da_bon_bon> no ways - they might be incomplete or something.
[09:46] <SuperNewb> well its probably double layered
[09:46] <SuperNewb> which is like 8.5 gigs
[09:46] <da_bon_bon> then can it be read by all dvd rives?
[09:46] <SuperNewb> whats a gig... 1024 megs?
[09:46] <SuperNewb> yea it can
[09:46] <Seq> da_bon_bon: the dvd specification includes dual-layered discs
[09:47] <SuperNewb> they just require special drives for burning
[09:47] <SuperNewb> so i can burn them which sucks.... need a new dvd burner
[09:47] <SuperNewb> a dual layer dvd is like what 12 cds
[09:47] <calc> couldn't fit that many dists even on a dual layer disc
[09:47] <SuperNewb> seq... how many megs is a gig
[09:47] <SuperNewb> 1024?
[09:47] <calc> fedora core 3 takes ~ 2.1GB, debian takes ~ 8GB, knoppix 700MB, etc
[09:48] <Seq> SuperNewb: yes
[09:48] <SuperNewb> debian takes 8 gigs?
[09:48] <SuperNewb> wtf
[09:48] <Dupke> can someone please help me mounting a share from my win2000 server
[09:48] <da_bon_bon> even 8.5 wont be enough -> FC3 -> 3CD; Debian -> 3-7CDs; Suse -> 2-3CDs; Knoppix -> 1CD; Gentoo -> 2CDs; slack->3CDs; mand -> 3CD; DSL -> 70MB
[09:48] <SuperNewb> thats ridiculous
[09:48] <calc> 1 GB (ieee) is 10^9, 1 GiB (ieee) is 2^30, 1 GB real computer is 2^30
[09:48] <SuperNewb> overkill
[09:48] <da_bon_bon> NO WAY!!!
[09:48] <Agrajag> SuperNewb: for every package
[09:48] <Seq> SuperNewb: yes, until recently, dvd drives could only burn a single layer
[09:48] <calc> da_bon_bon: and that is old debian, new debian is on more than 17 cd aiui
[09:49] <SuperNewb> thats friggin disgusting
[09:49] <Seq> calc: they wouldnt include the entire debian repository, im sure
[09:49] <SuperNewb> you dont need that many apps...
[09:49] <Agrajag> SuperNewb: how so?
[09:49] <Agrajag> You don't, but someone will
[09:49] <calc> Seq: yea perhaps just a netinst image ;)
[09:49] <da_bon_bon> calc: new debian is more than 17 CDS????
[09:49] <SuperNewb> 17cds sounds like a whole repository
[09:49] <Agrajag> SuperNewb: it is, I just said so
[09:49] <calc> the whole repo is over 100GB
[09:49] <da_bon_bon> calc: not netinst..
[09:49] <calc> its roughly 8-12GB per arch
[09:49] <SuperNewb> someone said the opposite
[09:50] <Seq> calc: i'd assume they'd include packages to cover a regular gui-based system with some office tools and a web browser or something
[09:50] <calc> da_bon_bon: ok
[09:50] <da_bon_bon> hey is a sarge DVD available for 2$ worth buying?
[09:50] <SuperNewb> well yea... of course they didnt feel the need for every package for every distro...
[09:50] <Seq> calc: beyond that, it should really assume you have an internet connection.
[09:50] <SuperNewb> it would include the distros and basic apps... like whatever the main install cd had on it
[09:50] <Seq> da_bon_bon: it would be out of date by the time it was mailed
[09:50] <calc> oh apparently i386 is only 14 cds so far
[09:50] <nishin> any ideas why "apt-get (dist-)upgrade" halts at Preconfiguring packages ...?
[09:50] <fcomtois> can anybody give me a server address where i can download mplayer ?
[09:50] <Seq> wait, sarge, nm
[09:50] <calc> http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/
[09:51] <miausX> hi! :)
[09:51] <SuperNewb> bye1
[09:51] <SuperNewb> !
[09:51] <da_bon_bon> Seq: available with a magazine
[09:51] <mroth> does anyone else have the thing where gnome-window-list on the bottom panel ignores maximum size and stays tiny no matter how many windows you add?
[09:51] <SuperNewb> i will never say hi when i join again
[09:51] <SuperNewb> i never realized how annoying it can be
[09:51] <calc> Seq: yea probably just includes disc 1 of debian, that might be possible to fit everything onto one dl-dvd then
[09:51] <heero17> :)
[09:51] <ozan> hello, how can i change the profile of mozilla?
[09:51] <SuperNewb> calc - definitely...
[09:51] <heero17> somebody has use hurd?
[09:52] <SuperNewb> a dual layer dvd can hold like 12 cds i think
[09:52] <miausX> SuperNewb, uh?
[09:52] <da_bon_bon> i wanna know how hurd is?
[09:52] <calc> SuperNewb: yep
[09:52] <Seq> calc: a basic debian system install disc could probably be made to fit on the inside of 1 gig (including pretty gui stuff)
[09:52] <SuperNewb> no offense miaus... nothing personal... its just odd to have someone pop in and say hi in the middle of a convo
[09:52] <lifeless> hurd is interesting, last time I used it X still wasn't working, but I think that is solved now.
[09:52] <Seq> calc: if they wanted to
[09:52] <calc> of course dl-dvd are still very expensive to burn so isn't really worth using
[09:52] <Dupke> what does: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //deoderver/muziek,
[09:52] <Dupke>        or too many mounted file systems mean???
[09:53] <SuperNewb> damn i thought debian was a minimalist distro
[09:53] <SuperNewb> what a mistake that was
[09:53] <DeepSpaceAnt> SuperNewb: It never was - was it
[09:53] <Seq> SuperNewb: it can be. it can be whatever you want it to be. it just has alot of optional packages
[09:53] <SuperNewb> well i thought it was one...
[09:53] <calc> heh debian has nearly every floss package available that is actually free
[09:53] <SuperNewb> well yea so does fedora
[09:53] <miausX> SuperNewb, oh, excuse me... no prob :)
[09:53] <lifeless> a base debian install will run out of a 128MB flash card.
[09:53] <SuperNewb> i found that they were all worthless
[09:53] <lifeless> with full routing software & the like.
[09:53] <SuperNewb> with broadband i can just go and download whatever i want
[09:54] <lifeless> its all the gui shtick that takes up space.
[09:54] <SuperNewb> schtick*
[09:54] <calc> yep kde alone takes nearly a cd
[09:54] <SuperNewb> is kde that bad>?
[09:54] <Arricka> okay...I messed up when reconfiguring xfree86 so it could run in more resolutions, although all I did was pretty much press enter throughout the entire thing
[09:54] <SuperNewb> why so... gnome doesnt require that much right
[09:54] <calc> kde's i18n alone is nearly 200MB last i looked
[09:54] <calc> SuperNewb: gnome probably is roughly the same size for the entire official gnome
[09:55] <Arricka> anyway, now xfree86 won't run at all after I've rebooted....what was the command to reconfigure it again?
[09:55] <da_bon_bon> ok guys bye. have a merry xmas...
[09:55] <miausX> calc, well, I like debian kde... you know, apt-get install kdebase :)
[09:55] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: bye
[09:55] <calc> miausX: yea
[09:55] <Seq> da_bon_bon: have a happy non-denominational holiday wish yourself, too.
[09:55] <miausX> I can't do apt-get install gnomebase or something similar :)
[09:55] <calc> miausX: sure you can
[09:56] <calc> apt-get install gnome-core
[09:56] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel, Seq: bye. :)
[09:56] <miausX> calc, oh! I don't know that! thanks :D
[09:56] <calc> kdebase isn't analogous to that though, kde-core is
[09:56] <miausX> aha, oks :)
[09:56] <calc> kdebase is just a metapackage that depends on all the parts of kdebase i broke out of the source
[09:57] <miausX> hum, I see
[09:57] <calc> kde-core depends on arts, kdelibs, kdebase
[09:57] <Arricka> so what's the comand to reconfigure xfree86?
[09:57] <stonecolddsl> I have a question
[09:57] <miausX> calc, so, with gnome-core I will have a minimal gnome?
[09:57] <SuperNewb> we all have questions
[09:57] <Gwildor> is is a terrible idea to remove gnome?
[09:57] <calc> miausX: yes
[09:57] <stonecolddsl> how different is the live cd from te install cd?
[09:57] <miausX> Gwildor, I don't think so
[09:58] <SuperNewb> anyone know what slipstreamign is?
[09:58] <Arricka> is there a command to run the xfree86 autoconfigure-er like the installation did?
[09:58] <stonecolddsl> slipstreaming is usually reffered to windows nt
[09:58] <calc> i actually created kde-core after gnome-core was already around so kde users would have a similiar way to install a minimal kde
[09:58] <Arricka> I really want everything as it was, except I want to be able to run in some different resolutions
[09:58] <SuperNewb> correction, windows in general
[09:59] <SuperNewb> windows xp can be slipstreamed too
[09:59] <miausX> calc, oh, thank you! :)
[09:59] <calc> np :)
[09:59] <SuperNewb> i have a slipstream of it... called windows nemesis 2.0
[09:59] <stonecolddsl> like i can slipstream the XP service pack two into the orginal xp install media and make a new disc that will install xp but already hve all the sp2 updates
[09:59] <Gwildor> Arricka, i think it is  base-config
[09:59] <calc> miausX: btw some people are working on a kubuntu as well
[09:59] <SuperNewb> yea... im trying to figure out how to do that with linux
[10:00] <SuperNewb> i want to make it install xmms-mp3, ffmpeg and a few other apps automatically
[10:00] <miausX> calc, hum... an "unnofficial" ubuntu with kde... :)
[10:00] <SuperNewb> so i suppose i want to know how to make my own distro... because i know that's what most distros are... just a distro tailored to a specific need
[10:00] <SuperNewb> anyone know a tutorial for that
[10:01] <fcomtois> can anybody give me a server address where i can download mplayer ?
[10:01] <miausX> SuperNewb, do you know PCLinuxOS?
[10:01] <SuperNewb> linuxfromscratch.org.?
[10:02] <SuperNewb> ive heard of pclinuxos
[10:02] <SuperNewb> heard it was evil
[10:02] <miausX> SuperNewb, no no, PCLinuxOS (pclos for short) it's a mandrake based distribution :)
[10:02] <SuperNewb> that it cant detect hardware to save its life
[10:02] <SuperNewb> yea that what i said
[10:03] <miausX> it's a livecd, but you can install to harddisk... it comes with a script, you can remaster it with two commands, maybe you will find interesting that script :)
[10:03] <SuperNewb> hmmmm... i dont want to use it though
[10:03] <SuperNewb> i just want to add some apps to the ubuntu installer
[10:04] <SuperNewb> how hard would that be
[10:04] <carajean> hey anyone know where to find c:program files
[10:04] <carajean> ???
[10:04] <Gwildor> huh?
[10:04] <miausX> hum, I don't know, you are talking about to create your own debian based distribution
[10:04] <SuperNewb> i guess... i dont want to go that deep... i just need to know how to add apps to the installer
[10:05] <SuperNewb> so if i ever have to reinstall i dont have to go and find them all again
[10:05] <carajean> yeah point2play installed it there
[10:05] <miausX> SuperNewb, it's a good idea, I'll try that too :)
[10:05] <tsw> it would be nice if the cd installer would check one folder and install every deb found there
[10:05] <SuperNewb> yea cara... just open the directory... there should be a folder called c i think
[10:05] <tsw> would make custom installer really easy to create
[10:05] <SuperNewb> tsw - yea... that would really make this easier
[10:06] <SuperNewb> well how do the installers work
[10:06] <miausX> tsw, hehehe, feather linux works that way :)
[10:06] <SuperNewb> is there a text based file with a list of the packages?  or does the installer actually search the disk and index them
[10:06] <tsw> always learning something new :)
[10:06] <miausX> tsw, yeah! :D
[10:06] <tsw> SuperNewb: mount the iso and take a look
[10:06] <SuperNewb> miaus - see i knew that... but im trying to find a way to do this with ubuntu in particular...
[10:07] <SuperNewb> ok
[10:07] <tsw> and maybe this option should be added to some wishlist :)
[10:07] <SuperNewb> well i might as well burn it right now
[10:07] <carajean> where is the directory
[10:07] <tsw> with the option of not installing certain debs
[10:08] <SuperNewb> carajean... the point2play included docs oughtta tell you where it is
[10:08] <carajean> ok i will look
[10:08] <SuperNewb> tsw have you ever installed fedora
[10:08] <tsw> SuperNewb: once
[10:08] <tsw> didnt like it
[10:08] <SuperNewb> fedora was like windows... it had a minimal, an all, and a custom selection
[10:08] <tsw> been debian users before
[10:08] <SuperNewb> i figured that ubuntu was the same
[10:08] <SuperNewb> am i wrong
[10:09] <miausX> SuperNewb, seems easy
[10:09] <tsw> debian net installer is great just installs the base and then apt-get the rest from net
[10:09] <njs12345> hmm.. has anyone here installed Mono on Hoary?
[10:09] <miausX> tsw, yep, I love that :)
[10:09] <SuperNewb> miaus it does?
[10:09] <SuperNewb> see im trying to avoid the apt-get
[10:09] <Arricka> running base config puts me in some sort of package manager...how do I get xfree86 to just re-autodetect everything, and just let me select what resolutions I want to run in?
[10:09] <SuperNewb> i mean i want to install ubuntu
[10:09] <tsw> njs12345: no but I heard its broken
[10:10] <njs12345> yup, it is
[10:10] <SuperNewb> then after i find and get all the apps i want... make my own installer
[10:10] <shingoki> Hi, does anyone know what font the ubuntu logo uses?
[10:10] <tsw> SuperNewb: why avoid apt-get
[10:10] <miausX> SuperNewb, all the packages are in blah/pool
[10:10] <njs12345> whichever package you try to install it depends on other packages
[10:10] <stonecolddsl> tsw I just did a sarge net install, it installed the base then asked me what i wanted to do with the machine and then it downloaded a nice desktop package
[10:10] <Gwildor> Arricka, for the 3rd time...i think it is base-config
[10:10] <tsw> stonecolddsl: yes thats one option I have never used
[10:10] <tsw> :d
[10:11] <Kamion> Arricka: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:11] <stonecolddsl> I only had to apt-get a few things like firefox thunderbird and xchat
[10:11] <tsw> all my servers run debian woody+backports and desktop runs sarge just installed ubuntu on my laptop...
[10:11] <miausX> hum... avoid the apt-get? what will you use?
[10:11] <Gwildor> stonecolddsl, was it that easy.....where did you get your net install iso?.......
[10:11] <Kamion> Arricka: press enter at most of the prompts, just change the resolutions bit
[10:11] <Arricka> thank you Kamion. Gwildor: base-config puts you in a big package manager...how you get into changing the xfree86 defaults from there I have no idea
[10:12] <Kamion> you can't as far as I know
[10:12] <stonecolddsl> Gwildor you can get the debian sarge aka testing net install iso (107 megs) from debian.org
[10:12] <Gwildor> stonecolddsl, its just point and click?
[10:12] <Arricka> Kamion, that's what I did last time....I must have changed something though so it doesn't work...this time I have to figure out what defualt I *don't* want
[10:13] <Gwildor> stonecolddsl, or arrow around......but jsut as esasy as pooint and click
[10:13] <shingoki> Anyone know what the ubunt font is? I can't find it anywhere
[10:13] <stonecolddsl> it uses a ncurses system... so there is not much to do but will ask you about the your harddrive and if you want to use it all
[10:13] <carajean> i looked and it doesnt say where it installs the files but i did find p2p file
[10:14] <Gwildor> stonecolddsl, kk, ive bene all over the debian site, and nver saw that, only un-official net installers, but i found it now, im DLing it
[10:14] <Gwildor> stonecolddsl, herder or easier than arch?
[10:14] <shingoki> I tried the sarge installer a while ago, it was just s bad as ever, I must have had the wrong one
[10:15] <stonecolddsl> but again i am use to non gui insallers
[10:15] <stonecolddsl> my usual distrobution is slackware
[10:15] <tsw> I really hated Fedora installer.. it was too easy..
[10:15] <stonecolddsl> so ncurses is 2nd nature
[10:15] <stonecolddsl> at least to me
[10:15] <tsw> means more and more linux testers who doesnt have a clue of what thei are doing
[10:16] <tsw> I dont mean its not good to test linux for everybody
[10:16] <Kamion> shingoki: the Ubuntu installer is not significantly different from the sarge installer, in terms of UI style
[10:16] <tsw> but still one should learn to read howtos first..
[10:17] <SuperNewb> who in here has no trace of windows in their home?
[10:17] <shingoki> Kamion: I don't mind the UI style, I like the ubuntu installer, but sarge just asked me loads of pointless questions then dumped me at a command line, I wasn't impressed ;)
[10:17] <Gwildor> Kamion, i can expect the sarge installer to be VERY similar to the ubuntu installer?
[10:17] <Kamion> shingoki: then something went extremely badly wrong which is not normal.
[10:17] <miausX> brb
[10:17] <stonecolddsl> gwildor yes
[10:17] <Kamion> Gwildor: yeah, it asks a few more questions
[10:17] <Kamion> slightly higher level of detail
[10:17] <Gwildor> kk,.....i can handle that no problem
[10:17] <GotD0t> does anybody know why tali doesn't work hoary?
[10:18] <Kamion> shingoki: being dropped to a command line before the first reboot basically means you downloaded a very broken version
[10:18] <shingoki> Kamion: I should try it again. I didn't get any error messages, I just got a command line, no C, no desktop environment.  LAMP environment with 100+ vhosts (not so many hits)
[10:20] <tsw> compared to debian
[10:21] <SuperNewb> im trying to find the link gimme a sec
[10:21] <crimsun> tsw: not really distro-related at all. That's more an administrator's prerogative.
[10:21] <tsw> crimsun: yes, but woody is really stable, but old.
[10:21] <ubuntu_user> i can not bur cds in nautilus, aparently it works normaly but when it start to burn on cd it does that the cd is not empty, whats the problem?
[10:22] <crimsun> tsw: again, not distro-related at all. Performance is affected by the administrator's configuration.
[10:22] <tsw> Ive had some problems with the woody packets being historic.. and ubuntu seems to fix this
[10:22] <SuperNewb> see this is why i hate windows
[10:22] <SuperNewb> my browser is frozen
[10:23] <Gwildor> hahahaha....IE?
[10:23] <SuperNewb> nah opera
[10:23] <Gwildor> SuperNewb, ?
[10:23] <Gwildor> ahh.ok
[10:23] <SuperNewb> im scared of IE
[10:23] <shingoki> Everyone is scared of IE
[10:23] <Gwildor> lol
[10:23] <Gwildor> was typing that
[10:23] <shingoki> :)
[10:23] <tsw> crimsun: and how about cyrus packets and so.. woody had much work on getting them working
[10:23] <shingoki> I haven't used IE for years, and I'm STILL scared of it
[10:24] <SuperNewb> does anyone understand the ubuntu installer
[10:24] <Kamion> yes
[10:24] <SuperNewb> i want to try and modify the package list on it
[10:24] <SuperNewb> so i can add packages
[10:24] <ogra> IE ? not the frontpage users though
[10:24] <Kamion> there are several places to do that, it's a little awkward at the moment
[10:24] <Seq> ogra: I don't know why people still use frontpage
[10:24] <Seq> ogra: even my mom uses nvu :p
[10:25] <SuperNewb> does ubuntu support NTFS reading/writing OOTB
[10:25] <ogra> Seq: because they dont know better.... :(
[10:25] <Kamion> right now it's probably simplest to modify lib/menu/pkgsel in the base-config source package, rebuild, inject new .deb onto CD
[10:25] <Gwildor> i use go-live
[10:25] <Seq> ogra: perfect use for a LART or cluestick
[10:25] <ogra> Seq: they dont have a son that tells them to use nvu :)
[10:25] <crimsun> tsw: warty-security has 2.1.16ish; hoary has 2.1.17ish
[10:26] <Seq> ogra: as soon as i get my mom hooked on GRAMPS, I can have her ditch windows completely, and stop having to fix that machine
[10:26] <knoppix> hi...how would one be able to instal Ubuntu from current distro into a new partition without using any removable media?
[10:26] <SuperNewb> kamion... that sounds easy enouigh
[10:26] <ogra> Seq: heh
[10:26] <Kamion> SuperNewb: it's fiddly but not totally off the wall
[10:26] <ogra> knoppix: there is a "install from knoppix howto" on the wiki i heard
[10:26] <ubuntu_user> i can not bur cds in nautilus, aparently it works normaly but when it start to burn on cd it does that the cd is not empty, whats the problem?
[10:26] <SuperNewb> well i mean can i modify it in a text editor?
[10:26] <Kamion> SuperNewb: if everything extra you want depends only on stuff already in the base system, you could also put it in .disk/base_include on the CD's filesystem, but that's flakier
[10:26] <shingoki> Kamion: Do you know whether bluetooth stuff and wacom tablets will work as standard in next ubuntu?
[10:26] <crimsun> knoppix: mount the new partition and use ubuntu's debootstrap
[10:27] <Kamion> shingoki: not my field, dunno
[10:27] <ogra> ubuntu_user: sounds like a error on the cd
[10:27] <Arricka> okay, I'm back in gnome
[10:27] <Arricka> now I've only got one more thing to do before this system is ready to give to my sister
[10:27] <Kamion> SuperNewb: we're planning to make it easier to customise this sort of thing in hoary
[10:28] <knoppix> thank you ogra and crimsun...appreciate it!
[10:28] <SuperNewb> hmmm shoudl i wait till then?
[10:28] <Kamion> up to you
[10:28] <SuperNewb> well it sounds easy enough
[10:28] <shingoki> hoary is a great name, but it sounds kinda unfortunate :)
[10:29] <shingoki> like ubuntu is a friendly distro... maybe a little TOO friendly... for money...
[10:29] <ubuntu_user> ogra, i can not burn on any aplication, not only on nautilus, cdrecord problems??
[10:29] <Arricka> I'm trying to install an app from gnome, so that my sister can do some video editing. The app is only available as source (it's called Lives). When I try and run ./configure I get configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[10:29] <ogra> ubuntu_user: what kind of writer is it ?
[10:29] <HrdwrBoB> shingoki: yes but we're all mature adults here
[10:29] <crimsun> Arricka: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:29] <vladster> I am turning Japanese, I really think so
[10:29] <HrdwrBoB> .. or at least a close approximation
[10:30] <shingoki> HrdwrBoB: Apparently not me :(
[10:30] <HrdwrBoB> Arricka: apt-get install build-essential
[10:30] <ogra> Arricka: did you look at kino ? its a video editing app for gnome
[10:30] <Arricka> thanks, crimsun and ogra
[10:30] <HrdwrBoB> will download libraries and compilers
[10:30] <ubuntu_user> cd-rw memorex 24X
[10:30] <ogra> Arricka: ..... and it is in universe ;)
[10:30] <Arricka> I looked at both kino and Lives...they were both listed on the webpage
[10:30] <crimsun> shingoki: hmm? You do know the denotation (and or conotation) of 'hoary', no? :)
[10:30] <ubuntu_user> ogra, cdrw memorex 24x
[10:31] <vladster> has anyone tried installing unreal tournament or UT2K4 on ubuntu?
[10:31] <Arricka> that would make things easier
[10:31] <shingoki> crimsun: It means like, kinda weather beaten and rough I think... but it sounds like it means something else :)
[10:31] <ogra> ubuntu_user: no, i mean USB, builtin.... if builtin ide od scsi ?
[10:31] <GotD0t> vladster: im hoping to
[10:31] <ubuntu_user> ogra, IDE
[10:31] <vladster> what about quake 3
[10:31] <vladster> arena
[10:31] <ogra> ubuntu_user: aha...
[10:31] <crimsun> shingoki: with age, or venerated, sure. But it doesn't have anything to do with "that" other denotation. :)
[10:31] <GotD0t> vladster: when i get ut2k4 ill let you know
[10:31] <ogra> ubuntu_user: hmm, should simply work....
[10:31] <Kamion> intended meaning is kind of aged/wise, but the double meanings are often semi-intentional :)
[10:32] <vladster> what about UT99
[10:32] <ogra> ubuntu_user: do you see it in the device manager ?
[10:32] <vladster> GOTY
[10:32] <HrdwrBoB> vladster: yes it works fine
[10:32] <shingoki> I'd never thought of hoary as old or wise, just ragged :)
[10:32] <vladster> where do you set the ingame lighting
[10:32] <ogra> vladster: goty works great on my old matrox :)
[10:32] <Kamion> warty was originally because we thought the first release would be broken in all kinds of fun ways; in the event it turned out better than we'd expected
[10:32] <SuperNewb> thats always good
[10:33] <vladster> The UT menus have no effect
[10:33] <shingoki> Kamion: It seems pretty great actually :)
[10:33] <Kamion> not quite clear what the next one after hoary will be yet
[10:33] <ubuntu_user> ogra, yes, and in nautilus but not burn, in nautilus it say that cd is not empty
[10:33] <vladster> It appears like I would have to hack the GL settings somewhere to overide the in game gamma
[10:34] <Kamion> it was going to be "grumpy groundhog", but that name is being reassigned for another purpose
[10:34] <vladster> I rjust don't knnow where
[10:34] <shingoki> Kamion: lol
[10:34] <lifeless> Kamion: where is grump going?
[10:34] <HrdwrBoB> vladster: xgama
[10:34] <HrdwrBoB> vladster: xgamma
[10:34] <Kamion> Mark's current favourite is "bendy badger", which was originally Scott trolling him. We've been trying to persuade him out of it ever since
[10:34] <Kamion> lifeless: crack-of-the-day builds
[10:34] <ogra> ubuntu_user: on my sys it only says that if the cd is broken.... normally it works with a new media
[10:34] <ubuntu_user> ogra, i change cdrecord, cdrdao, etc permissions, but it not burn
[10:35] <vladster> also with my card, parts of the map disappear
[10:35] <ogra> ubuntu_user: you shouldnt change permissions on that progs
[10:35] <vladster> where is the xgamma set
[10:35] <ubuntu_user> ogra, i change the media but not works
[10:36] <shingoki> magnificent mongoose
[10:36] <Kamion> bit long
[10:36] <ubuntu_user> ogra, i install k3b, but it not works
[10:36] <ogra> ubuntu_user: hmm, no idea
[10:37] <vladster> When I get the ubuntu disks, I am going to be selling linux gaming systems and I need to know where these settings are
[10:37] <HrdwrBoB> oh, reminds me, what should I file a bug against if the right moduels aren't put in initrd
[10:37] <HrdwrBoB> (and hence the system didn't boot when installed
[10:37] <carajean> hey can someone tell me how to enable my agp card i did a status check and it said it was disabled
[10:37] <ogra> vladster: normally such things are set up in the game settings i thought
[10:37] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: debian-installer at first
[10:37] <lifeless> Kamion: while you are around... remember that amd64 occasional hang I was having ?
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> Kamion: yeah, though when I upgrade the kernel, it resets it
[10:38] <vladster> the in game settings have no effect
[10:38] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: oh, *that* initrd
[10:38] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: initrd-tools
[10:38] <vladster> only on the menus
[10:38] <Kamion> lifeless: not really :)
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> yeah, it had sil_sata and a 3ware card
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> I think it only loads the first driver
[10:38] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: I think that got fixed recently in hoary
[10:39] <HrdwrBoB> cool
[10:39] <lifeless> well... apparently ~ 3 days ago the machine starting locking up hard in every os... and it won't even complete a memcheck without hanging hard.
[10:39] <Kamion> the way the kernel exposed SATA devices changed in kernel 2.6.7 or so
[10:39] <lifeless> not erroring in the memcheck... just locks up :(
[10:39] <Kamion> lifeless: heat problems?
[10:39] <lifeless> I smell hardware...
[10:39] <HrdwrBoB> yeah to scsi
[10:39] <lifeless> Kamion: may well be, its high 20's here most of the time.
[10:39] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: no, not that part
[10:40] <vladster> I never have heat problems, 3 fans on power supply and four on the case
[10:40] <lifeless> vladster: whats your ambient air temp ?
[10:40] <lifeless> *outside the case* that is.
[10:40] <vladster> 20 c if I am willing to turn upo the thermostat
[10:41] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: http://bugs.debian.org/271038
[10:41] <vladster> I have a Linali aluminum case
[10:41] <vladster> Lianli
[10:41] <lifeless> heh, so you are at at least 5-7 degrees cooler than I, and this box is a single-fan on the case, + cpu fan inside.
[10:41] <vladster> inside of the case is 35 c
[10:42] <vladster> cpu is socket 423 and running at 40 c
[10:42] <lifeless> If I had some way of telling the temp @ lockup, I'd be happy.
[10:42] <vladster> memory running at 45c (Rambuss)
[10:43] <lifeless> because that would exclude other possible problems.
[10:43] <vladster> 5 hard drives dvd writer and dvdrom
[10:43] <Seq> 5 hard drives?
[10:43] <vladster> weighs a ton and a half
[10:43] <shingoki> if your cpu is under 50, I wouldn't have thought it was a problem though...
[10:43] <lifeless> (it dies during 64-bit boot, with bad page mapping RIP's, sometimes passes the boot, very frustrrating.
[10:44] <lifeless> until I rule out heat though...
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> Kamion: ah, excellent, and you can add it to /etc/mkinitrd/modules :)
[10:44] <neighborlee> hey peeps how does one get gnome apps to remember windows states ? ;-)
[10:44] <vladster> dual boot and I am a pack rat
[10:44] <lifeless> neighborlee: it should just do it
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> and here's me extracting the initrd, modifying it and rebuilding
[10:44] <neighborlee> lifeless, would be nice but nautilus doesn't
[10:44] <neighborlee> lifeless, only some apps do
[10:44] <Kamion> vladster: I solve that problem by having more machines
[10:44] <vladster> no room
[10:45] <Kamion> nor do I, any more
[10:45] <vladster> need a bigger library
[10:45] <Kamion> seven at last count
[10:45] <vladster> can't add on to this house like a normal house
[10:45] <vladster> timber construction
[10:46] <SuperNewb> whats that mean?
[10:46] <Seq> Kamion: you win, i have six. one is headless
[10:46] <vladster> House was put together without nails in 1887
[10:46] <SuperNewb> damn thats an old damn house
[10:46] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[10:47] <vladster> try drilling the timbers sometime
[10:47] <Kamion> Seq: one of mine's currently headless, I'd like it to be more than that since it's monitors that give out most heat
[10:47] <mfeif> Howdy Ubuntu folks; can someone try and help me get some clues on an esoteric GDM problem?
[10:47] <SuperNewb> everyone... help me help carajean
[10:47] <carajean> hey i have a problem with my video card can someone assist me
[10:47] <carajean> my card for somereason is disabled
[10:48] <SuperNewb> post the status alreadyh
[10:48] <carajean> carajean@shicara:~ $ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[10:48] <carajean> Status:          Disabled
[10:48] <carajean> AGP initialization failed, please check the ouput
[10:48] <carajean> of the 'dmesg' command and/or your system log file
[10:48] <carajean> for additional information on this problem.
[10:48] <Seq> Kamion: do you have legitimate uses for the other machines? are are they just there for the sake of having more?
[10:48] <HrdwrBoB> I replaced the gateway machine with a wrt54gs, so we've only got three here (plux xbox)
[10:48] <HrdwrBoB> er.. four
[10:48] <HrdwrBoB> including laptop
[10:48] <ogra> carajean: did you install the ubuntu nvidia drivers ?
[10:48] <Seq> HrdwrBoB: i have a wrt54g, and it didnt work very well for me :(
[10:48] <SuperNewb> ok now cara... did you use the method in that site to install the drivers?
[10:49] <carajean> yeah i thought so i did exactly what the read me said do
[10:49] <SuperNewb> what abotu the site i sent you to
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> Seq: yeah? why not, I run openwrt on it
[10:49] <ogra> carajean: on the wiki ?
[10:49] <carajean> yeah
[10:49] <SuperNewb> did the readme match
[10:49] <ubuntu_user> ogra, i can burn with k3b, but the system is too slow, that's not normal.
[10:49] <carajean> yeah
[10:49] <SuperNewb> ok now did you follow the next step?
[10:49] <mfeif> anyone here good with GDM on ubuntu?
[10:49] <Seq> HrdwrBoB: it wouldnt do dns properly, and i didnt have time to mess around with it
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Open a terminal.
[10:49] <SuperNewb> To check the status of the nvidia driver type: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Sample Output:
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Status: Enabled Driver: AGPGART AGP Rate: 4x Fast Writes: Disabled SBA: Disabled
[10:49] <SuperNewb> To enable 'Fast Writes' and 'SBA' you can try this.
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Note: There has to be a better way with Debian/Ubuntu to do this.
[10:49] <Seq> HrdwrBoB: i've been wanting to do that too
[10:49] <SuperNewb> sudo gedit /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[10:49] <Arricka> okay...I installed kino....now how do I get it to appear on the menu of gnome apps?
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Add this to the end of the file and save: modprobe nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_ReqAGPRate=8
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Modify the above settings for your system. From the example above I am using: modprobe nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1
[10:49] <lifeless> Kamion: headless rocks.
[10:49] <carajean> i followed every step
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Reboot or unload/load the nvidia driver and restart X.
[10:49] <ogra> ubuntu_user: see if dma is enabled on the device
[10:50] <HrdwrBoB> Seq: ah, I don't know, I never used the standard firmware, I put openwrt straight on
[10:50] <SuperNewb> you did that
[10:50] <SuperNewb> modprobe nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_ReqAGPRate=8
[10:50] <Kamion> Seq: most of them are either in active use or in use as occasional development machines due to their special hardware
[10:50] <ogra> ubuntu_user: use  sudo hdparm  for that
[10:50] <Seq> carajean: it looks like its agp thats holding you back, not the nvidia driver
[10:50] <SuperNewb> modprobe nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1
[10:50] <Kamion> Seq: installer hackers tend to accumulate hardware ...
[10:50] <ogra> carajean: there are only two steps
[10:50] <Seq> Kamion: ahh, there you go
[10:51] <SuperNewb> seq - is the "modprobe nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 " for enabling agp?
[10:51] <wasabi_> I assume there has been discussion about whether or not to officially support Mono in Hoary? Trying to find some conversations. ;)
[10:51] <wasabi_> I'd Really like to see it included. ;)
[10:51] <Seq> Kamion: ahh, i only have one dev/test machine
[10:51] <ogra> SuperNewb: thats all done by sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:51] <SuperNewb> seq
[10:51] <Seq> SuperNewb: usually you'd load a module to support AGP on whatever kind of chipset you own (on your motherboard)
[10:52] <ogra> SuperNewb: which is the second step on the wiki
[10:52] <calc> wasabi_: it probably will be once the first really important gtk# app is released ;)
[10:52] <Kamion> wasabi_: there've been conversations, but I don't remember the outcomes; Jeff Waugh would probably be as good a person as any to ask
[10:52] <ogra> carajean: you did sudo nvidia-glx-config enable ?
[10:52] <Seq> wasabi_: i'd like to see it included too
[10:53] <wasabi_> Hoary's version doesn't even seem to be installable.
[10:53] <Kamion> but Christmastime is suboptimal for trying to find people ...
[10:53] <wasabi_> It's Working in warty right thogh.
[10:53] <Kamion> and on that note I'm off. Merry Christmas
[10:53] <wasabi_> and happy new years
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> tata
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> merry christmas
[10:53] <Seq> wasabi_: im using 1.0.2 , you're right in that 1.0.4 doesn't seem to be complete yet
[10:53] <mfeif> can anyone lend any wisdom to a warty/GDM problem?
[10:53] <SuperNewb> kamion
[10:54] <SuperNewb> before you leave...
[10:54] <SuperNewb> what was the first method you told me for editing the installer
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> mfeif: only if you tell us what it is ;)
[10:54] <mfeif> okay; thanks.
[10:54] <SuperNewb> nvm found it
[10:54] <SuperNewb> right now it's probably simplest to modify lib/menu/pkgsel in the base-config source package, rebuild, inject new .deb onto CD
[10:55] <SuperNewb> ill save that
[10:55] <paradoxmo> can someone tell me how i'd go about setting the volume label of a fat32 partition from linux?
[10:55] <mfeif> I'm running warty on a box that I've rigged to have a read-only / with some tmpfs mounted for /var/run and things like that...
[10:56] <mfeif> if I log in via GDM, I get an error in a pop-up: "Error activating XKB configuration. Probably internal X server problem"
[10:56] <SuperNewb> cara where you at
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> paradoxmo: I'm not sure, why is it necessary
[10:56] <mfeif> if I log in as that user, and hit "startx" instead, I do NOT get that error.
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> you can only see it from windows
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> .. in which you can change it
[10:56] <mfeif> I poked around in /etc/gdm/* to find scripts that may be the problem, but I'm out of my depth in those bash scripts.
[10:56] <paradoxmo> HrdwrBoB: gnome-volume-manager uses the volume label, if present, as the default mount point name
[10:57] <mfeif> I do NOT have a fancy keyboard config.
[10:57] <Arricka> so how does one go about linking applications that have been installed (from say the universe package) to the gnome applications menu, so that they can be started without the use of nautilus or a terminal?
[10:57] <Arricka> basically, how do I add items to the gnome applications meny
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> paradoxmo: ooh ok, hrm
[10:57] <Arricka> menu
[10:57] <mfeif> I even tried disabling parts of /etc/gdm/Xsession or /etc/gdm/PreSession/*
[10:58] <paradoxmo> arricka: try right-clicking in the menu you want to add it in, going to entire menu->add new item
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> ag ok, have to go to parents etc, christmas time :)
[10:58] <SuperNewb> shti that looks harder than it sounds
[10:59] <Arricka> ah, thanks
[10:59] <Setite> carajean where did you go
[10:59] <mfeif> no ideas?
[11:00] <paradoxmo> mfeif: never tried it, sorry
[11:00] <paradoxmo> is your entire /var writable? maybe xkb needs something else in var
[11:00] <mfeif> not all of /var
[11:00] <paradoxmo> /var/cache/?
[11:00] <mfeif> but I've used find with date params to see what's touched when in r/w mode, and nothing is there
[11:01] <mfeif> no, var/cache isn't rw/
[11:01] <mfeif> a few pieces of it I symlinked to ram disks
[11:01] <mfeif> why would gdm use something that startx doesn't use?
[11:01] <Quest-Master> Has anyone tried installing Ubuntu with a USB Linksys adapter?
[11:01] <Quest-Master> I hope it autodetects it
[11:02] <paradoxmo> gdm sets the language, etc
[11:02] <paradoxmo> i think
[11:02] <paradoxmo> keyboard layout
[11:02] <mfeif> hm.
[11:02] <paradoxmo> based on your selections from the menu
[11:02] <paradoxmo> xdm probably doesn't, you could try that
[11:02] <mfeif> what should I look for in /var/cache?
[11:02] <paradoxmo> i don't know, that was just an idea
[11:03] <mfeif> it doesn't look (on first glance) that there's anything gdm related.
[11:03] <paradoxmo> maybe not
[11:03] <mfeif> I could try xdm, thanks for that idea
[11:03] <mfeif> I suppose I could also just go right into a startx; I'm trying to make what is essentially a kiosk
[11:04] <Quest-Master> gah
[11:04] <mfeif> I'm just using gdm because it has the auto-login feature
[11:04] <Quest-Master> How can I force the CD-ROM drive to open?
[11:04] <Quest-Master> Through the terminal
[11:04] <paradoxmo> Quest-Master: eject mount-point
[11:04] <paradoxmo> or eject devicename
[11:04] <Quest-Master> :)
[11:04] <Setite> hey
[11:04] <Setite> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:04] <Setite> is that done in the terminal?
[11:05] <crimsun> Setite: yes.
[11:05] <Setite> ok
[11:05] <paradoxmo> mfeif: see if xdm has auto-login... but startx would be bad unless you respawned it somehow if x crashes
[11:06] <mfeif> good point
[11:07] <Seq> you could have a script find the pid of the x server, wait until it finishes, and respawn it if the runlevel isn't 0 or 6
[11:07] <mfeif> is there a reasonable way to figure out what bit is trying to write somewhere?
[11:08] <paradoxmo> hmm. have you looked around at the notes of people who have built kiosks?
[11:08] <mfeif> yes
[11:08] <ubuntu_user> cdrecord in ubuntu is not official version???
[11:08] <mfeif> nobody uses gdm; lots of people just run the thing as root always
[11:08] <mfeif> and they're not using ubuntu, either
[11:09] <calc> ubuntu_user: nobody uses official cdrecord since joerg ate the gpl
[11:09] <paradoxmo> which thing, mfeif
[11:09] <calc> cdrecord will likely go the way of xfree86 eventually
[11:09] <ubuntu_user> calc, why?
[11:09] <mfeif> the kiosk; sorry
[11:10] <calc> ubuntu_user: its upstream author is very annoying to everyone
[11:10] <mfeif> single user mode
[11:10] <Setite> i love linux
[11:10] <paradoxmo> *really*? i doubt it
[11:10] <Setite> thought you all should know
[11:10] <Setite> its empowering :)
[11:10] <ogra> ubuntu_user: becaue the dev of cdrecord doesnt like the gpl anymopre
[11:10] <lifeless> ubuntu_user: if you detach yourself from the commons, you either get replaced or forked from.
[11:10] <calc> once libburn is done someone will probably reimplement a console cd recording program
[11:10] <paradoxmo> i think i've heard of people doing a thing where they wipe the home directory and create it afresh every time they log out
[11:10] <mfeif> yep, I've seen that.
[11:11] <ubuntu_user> ogra, but what is better, the original or the clone?
[11:11] <mfeif> I'm sorta doing that by mounting a tmpfs on /home/user and rsync'ing from a known good copy
[11:11] <paradoxmo> seq suggested: (17:07:02) Seq: you could have a script find the pid of the x server, wait until it finishes, and respawn it if the runlevel isn't 0 or 6
[11:11] <JStrike> ogra : What licence has he switched to?
[11:11] <ogra> ubuntu_user: the distro supported version indeed....its tested and recieves security updates ;)
[11:12] <calc> JStrike: from what i recall its gpl with non-gpl compliant clauses in it
[11:12] <ogra> JStrike: i dont think he switched yet...but he was bitching about it and linux.....
[11:13] <paradoxmo> he didn't really switch, he added clauses, including one that says if you modify it you have to change the name and include a long notice about how it's not official or supported
[11:13] <gwildor> ho to untar from command
[11:13] <paradoxmo> gwildor: man tar
[11:13] <gwildor> thnx
[11:14] <nicedreams> How do i change the burning speed from the greyed out MAXIMUM to where I can select 16x using Gnome 2.9 Nautilus?