[00:01] <jrib> irv: i clicked your link and maybe I am reading to fast, but where does it say anything about demos getting written to /?
[00:02] <irv> sorry i may have posted the wrong link
[00:02] <irv> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33687107&postcount=5374
[00:02] <irv> ya, whoops. the other one was the wrong thread :P sorry ahah
[00:04] <jrib> irv: up to you; I wouldn't trust such a thing
[00:06] <irv> jrib: well i mean the only thing i would expect it to write to the / is that demo.. and if it did write anything elsewhere, it's just a blank VM with that server installed
[00:06] <irv> and i just tried and it does work when i launch as root :s
[00:06] <irv> stupid thing
[00:06] <calavera> Has anybody else had problems with dualbooting with 7 across two drives in a UEFI system?
[00:06] <jrib> irv: it's probably a trick so you run it as root and it exploits you (/sarcasm) :P
[00:07] <irv> ahah, gabe wouldn't do that... would he? D:
[00:07] <irv> i guess i can just run it as root as that's probably easier than undoing sudo chmod o+w /
[00:07] <usr13> calavera: Please elaborate.
[00:08] <calavera> Well... I can either fix either the MBR or GRUB, however, GRUB seems to be incapable of booting into 7. It gives me an invalid filepath error.
[00:08] <calavera> I fixed MBR, and now I've been stuck using Windows for the past week or so.
[00:09] <usr13> calavera: So how did you fix the MBR?  (What did you do?)
[00:09] <calavera> I ran fixmbr on the repair disk.
[00:10] <usr13> calavera: So you wiped out grub? Ok.  First off, your assumption that grub is incapable of booting Win7 is wrong.  So....
[00:10] <usr13> !grub | calavera
[00:11] <calavera> I'm not using linux at the moment.
[00:11] <blkadder> Grab a pitchfork!
[00:12] <calavera> bikadder: gnu/ Linux
[00:12] <usr13> calavera: Yea, that is obvious.
[00:12] <calavera> So short of wiping both drives and installing 7 in a VM, what can be done about this?
[00:12] <usr13> calavera: (If you think you can get Win7's boot loader to boot Linux, well, suffice to say, it's not gonna happen).
[00:13] <calavera> I wasn't implying that.
[00:13] <usr13> calavera: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[00:13] <calavera> Unless I use EasyBCD. That failed me.
[00:13] <usr13> calavera: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[00:13] <calavera> I can restore GRUB and the MBR all day long, that doesn't fix my issue.
[00:13] <blkadder> usr13: Looks like this person did...http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/05/17/how-to-dual-boot-ubuntu-12-04-and-windows-7/
[00:14] <usr13> calavera: Ok, let's start over.  What is the issue?
[00:14] <usr13> blkadder: Do you understand the situation?
[00:14] <calavera> I want GRUB to be able to boot 7. When I select that option, it gives me an invalid filepath error.
[00:14] <lauratika> quick question, good alternative to chrome and firefox?
[00:15] <calavera> lauratika: Iceweasel
[00:15] <blkadder> usr13: Sorry, I took your comment as a general statement, not specific to the persons issues...
[00:15] <lauratika> is that base on webkit engine
[00:16] <iceroot> lauratika: iceweasel is firefox with another name
[00:16] <usr13> blkadder: He said he did fixmbr, I suppose we will just have to take him at his word, (unless he tells us otherwise).
[00:17] <calavera> So any ideas?
[00:17] <lauratika> oh!... some other alternative?
[00:17] <calavera> Try opera
[00:17] <iceroot> lauratika: for what reason you need another browser?
[00:17] <usr13> calavera: Did you re-install MS Windows?  (As blkadder suggests?)
[00:18] <calavera> Yes.
[00:18] <usr13> calavera: Or did you just do fixmbr?
[00:18] <calavera> http://zacbrowser.com/
[00:18] <lauratika> trying something new...
[00:18] <calavera> I reinstalled it altogether.
[00:18] <calavera> After fixmbr failed.
[00:18] <iceroot> lauratika: then have a look at the software center which browser are there, also have a look at google if you just want a list of alternative browsers
[00:18] <tion> !stats
[00:19] <Tex_Nick> lauratika : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers
[00:19] <iceroot> !browser | lauratika
[00:19] <Zattack> I need some help my hard drive was wipped during an aborted Ubuntu install is there a way to get my files back?
[00:19] <calavera> What do you mean by "wiped"
[00:20] <calavera> Do you mean it was a corrupted install, was it corrupted during in update/ regular use, what?
[00:20] <Zattack> none of my windows files are there anymore
[00:20] <calavera> Zattack: Try making a liveusb, and hope for the best.
[00:21] <Zattack> i accidentally started an install over win xp and none of the user files were there anymore
[00:21] <usr13> calavera: Oh, I see.  Sorry.  I missunderstood.  Well, I guess it's back to square one.  Just re-install ubuntu.  But maybe this time, you might try resizing the Win7 partition with the on-board tools.  I think it's something like Control Panel -> System and Security -> Administrative Tools ->  Computer Management -> Disk Management
[00:22] <Zattack> i stopped it quick but it had startted to add ubuntu files to thr drives root
[00:22] <usr13> calavera: I'm not sure where you went wrong, but could be that your non-destructive partitioning was not so non-destructive?
[00:22] <blkadder> LOL
[00:23] <calavera> usr13:  I could reinstall *buntu, but I'm using two hard drives in my laptop. W7 is on my primary, and *buntu is on my secondary.
[00:23] <calavera> They're not partitions.
[00:23] <tekkbuzz> Zattack: was it your Z drive?
[00:23] <Zattack> c
[00:24] <usr13> calavera: Well, again, I don't know where you went wrong.  Doing it on a second drive should be a pretty safe proceedure.  I suppose the second time around you may see the error of your way(s)...?
[00:24] <lauratika> noooooooooo i want to know what the comunity is using as an alternative...
[00:26] <calavera> I'll just reinstall, and hope for the best. Also, for some reason, GNU/Linux is messing with my VRAM/ UEFI on the motherboard. I have to open up my laptop and short out two pins to even be able to select from where to boot from. I then later have to reflash the UEFI.
[00:26] <blkadder> Ugh.
[00:26] <usr13> calavera: Lots of people install Linux everyday and set up dual boot systems, some on single drives, some on separate drives, it's a relatively straight-forward process.  There are ways to mess it up, but if you just watch what you're doing, you should do ok.
[00:26] <blkadder> What sort of laptop?
[00:27] <usr13> calavera: I don't know about UEFI, would have to do a bit of research on that.  Maybe someone else can give you some advise about it?
[00:28] <calavera> It is an AH532 Lifebook.
[00:28] <Tex_Nick> lauratika : google returns for ubuntu alternative browsers ... http://www.starryhope.com/10-alternative-browsers-for-ubuntu-linux/
[00:28] <calavera> It's a known issue, and the steps to fix it are more than I'm willing to do.
[00:28] <usr13> calavera: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[00:28] <dr_willis> if its a known issue.. hopefully it will get fixed in the next release
[00:28] <usr13> calavera: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[00:28] <calavera> I'll give that a look. I'm going to smoke a cigarette, I thank you for your help.
[00:28] <kderr> Anyone have experience using this sort of thing on ubuntu running in ec2? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/cloud-config-chef-oneiric.txt Cloud config doesn't seem to be picking up the "chef" stuff, and I'm wondering if I need to install something?
[00:29] <usr13> calavera: Use that last one....
[00:29] <usr13> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[00:29] <blkadder> kderr: Using chef with ec2?
[00:29] <kderr> blkadder: Yeah
[00:30] <kderr> blkadder: It seems to just completely skip anything I write in the "chef" section. I'm guessing I need to make sure my AMI has a particular package?
[00:31] <blkadder> kderr: My knowledge of chef is somewhat limited but in my experience using it I'd knife the box first to do all the prep work (bootstrap)
[00:32] <kderr> blkadder: Yeah, I'm trying to find an alternative to that.
[00:32] <blkadder> You also need a chef server. Are you using hosted chef from Opscode?
[00:33] <kderr> blkadder: My chef server is another ec2 instance.
[00:33] <blkadder> kderr: Gotcha.
[00:33] <kderr> blkadder: knife bootstrap requires you to have ssh access to the box from where you're running knife, which isn't always possible for me.
[00:33] <kderr> blkadder: Having cloud-init take care of bootstrapping chef for me would be pretty cool. I found that example sitting there, but I can't figure out how to make it work.
[00:34] <blkadder> kderr: I see. Haven't used it...
[00:34] <blkadder> Just knife.
[00:34] <blkadder> kderr: Have you turned up debugging/looked at the logs?
[00:35] <kderr> blkadder: Of cloud-init?
[00:35] <kderr> blkadder: How do I do that.
[00:35] <blkadder> kderr: No idea as I haven't used the software in question...
[00:36] <tion> crazy
[00:36] <tion> cya
[00:36] <blkadder> kderr: But that's where I'd start...
[00:39] <z30n1c> hi all.
[00:39] <iLogical> i am getting this error when trying to install minitube from the ubuntu software center Software can't be installed or removed because the authentication service is not available. (org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.Error.Failed: ('system-bus-name', {'name':  ':1.80'}): org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages
[00:40] <z30n1c> is anyone bored that could give me a really quick lesson about linux flavors etc.
[00:40] <sylphie> why not?
[00:40] <z30n1c> me?
[00:40] <sylphie> sure
[00:41] <z30n1c> brilliant.
[00:41] <sylphie> what do you need to know?
[00:41] <Mathrys83> i just installed lilo and lost my other os's in my boot list. lilo doesnt want to find them
[00:41] <z30n1c> whats the main difference between linux distros?
[00:42] <iLogical> why is qantal software download so much slower?
[00:42] <sylphie> z30n1c \ that difference would basically be what software comes with it, how they install, how you get packages
[00:43] <tion> the updater is trying to install nvidia-current but my card is unsupported should i skip that update?
[00:44] <Mathrys83> is there a better bootloader out then lilo?
[00:44] <sylphie> z30n1c \ for example, ubuntu tries to atuomate the installs so that users can be dummies
[00:44] <sylphie> z30n1c \ likewise, it automates the process of getting packages
[00:45] <Tex_Nick> z30n1c : your question peers into murky waters ... you might have a look at ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions ... to beter define your question :-)
[00:45] <z30n1c> the problem i always have is understanding the core basics.
[00:45] <magma> hi, in my huge network there are 2 machines which have the same ip. I know one of them, is it possible to find the hostname of the other machine?
[00:46] <magma> or other thing that can be used to identify it ?
[00:46] <sylphie> z30n1c \ if you want a linux that gives you a reason to learn the linux essdentials, on the other end of the sclae is slackware linux
[00:46] <blkadder> magma: Man arp.
[00:46] <z30n1c> Please dont get me wrong. I have googled my a**e off tring to find answers to my questions.
[00:46] <usr13> z30n1c: Main difference is package management.
[00:46] <x__> Why isn't the 'Full Disk Encryption' option available when I want to install 12.10 alongside with Windows?
[00:47] <blkadder> x__ Seriously?
[00:47] <dr_willis> because it cant fully encrypt the windows partions on the disk... would be my gyess
[00:47] <x__> yes
[00:47] <blkadder> See what dr_willis said...
[00:47] <sylphie> z30n1c \ in-between is debian linux (which ununtu is based on) and centos
[00:48] <x__> i have two disks, would like to keep win7 on one, and install ubuntu with FDE on the other, how do i do this from the 12.10 installer?
[00:48] <z30n1c> you mention file extensions,
[00:48] <z30n1c> they lose me in linux.
[00:48] <z30n1c> rpm, or deb etcc
[00:48] <usr13> z30n1c: file extensions are a non-issue on Linux systems.
[00:48] <blkadder> x__: Choose the second disk as the installation target.
[00:48] <sylphie> z30n1c \ file extensions don't necessarily mean anything in linux. The OS doesn't enforce them
[00:49] <z30n1c> but they are there right? for help rather than nedd?
[00:49] <z30n1c> *need
[00:49] <sylphie> z30n1c \ rpm is the way redhat (and centos) packages are distributed
[00:49] <x__> blkadder, it only allows you to choose disks AFTER you select 'alongside windows' or 'full disk with encryption / erase windows'
[00:49] <usr13> z30n1c: Yes, they are there.  rpm is Redhat Package Management  They do mean something, but just to the user.
[00:50] <sylphie> z30n1c \ it's not just a different file extension, it's a different format
[00:50] <blkadder> x__: So choose alongside windows and then select the second disk.
[00:50] <z30n1c> if i try to install the wrong rpm or deb etc on any linux system im using sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt,
[00:50] <sylphie> z30n1c \ while dev file are how debian packages are distributed
[00:50] <z30n1c> if i download the source and build it, tends to work every time.
[00:50] <x__> blkadder, that's what i did, and it never encrypted the second disk
[00:51] <jrib> z30n1c: and then you're left to maintain it
[00:51] <sylphie> z30n1c \ that's because debs and rpms are pre-built, but they are pre-built for certain distros
[00:51] <magma> blkadder: ok, there is a lot of subnets, so I cannot find it through arp
[00:51] <usr13> z30n1c: There is a lot to learn, that is true.  But the good news is, the learning curve is very steep.
[00:52] <jonascj> Hi, I'll give the question another try: Anyone using dmenu and able to specify fonts?
[00:52] <z30n1c> okay so deb / rpm etc are just easy to install against ./make etc ?
[00:52] <blkadder> x__: I wasn't aware that you needed encryption.
[00:52] <x__> here's a screenshot of what i'm talking about http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news-700/Ubuntu-12-10-Adds-Encrypted-Installation.png
[00:52] <sylphie> z30n1c \ though the danger of ubuntus highly automated installs and packaging is the number of times things go wrong
[00:53] <usr13> z30n1c: Yes, (as opposed to compiling from source).
[00:53] <x__> it only let's you do full disk encryption IF you wipe the other OS
[00:53] <blkadder> Select the full disk encryption then choose the second disk would be my guess...
[00:53] <jrib> jonascj: how are you trying?
[00:53] <z30n1c> and from compliing from source, thats when i gzip / unrar and ./make etc?
[00:54] <blkadder> x__: But since you are doing it on the other disk it shouldn't make any difference...
[00:54] <jonascj> jrib: dmenu_path | dmenu -fn 'Monospace-9:normal'
[00:54] <warz> hi all. i just installed ubuntu 12.10 server, and then installed kubuntu-desktop using aptitude. it wont boot into it due to gfx card issues, so i need to boot into console-only from grub. what do i need to add to the grub command editor during boot to avoid going into kde?
[00:54] <blkadder> magma: What type of host?
[00:54] <sylphie> z30n1c \ when you make packages from source, you are doing what the dsitributers of debsd and rpms are trying to do
[00:54] <warz> i dont see the line that i usually look for, where i would add "text"
[00:55] <jrib> jonascj: try something from the output of xlsfonts
[00:55] <x__> hmmm, i shall attempt your cunning plan!
[00:55] <blkadder> Thanks Baldrick!
[00:56] <jrib> jonascj: maybe this interests you: http://tools.suckless.org/dmenu/patches/xft
[00:56] <x__> cheers!
[00:56] <Mathrys83> with syslinux already installed can i just unistall lilo and be ok? (its never that simple i know)
[00:56] <z30n1c> okay that makes sense.
[00:56] <usr13> z30n1c: compiling from source has several steps,  tar xvf, configure, make, make install
[00:56] <sylphie> z30n1c \ the different distros also setup you system into a different working config
[00:56] <delac> how to route packets to DEST_IP/PORT from ad-hoc device (eth1) to a tunnel (listening LOCALHOST/PORT)?
[00:57] <jonascj> jrib: fonts from the xlsfonts works and i've been at that patch for 30minutes. "patch p1 < patch_name.diff" fails.
[00:57] <z30n1c> just for fun:  i knew when i was a newbie when i got really excited about learning "screen"
[00:57] <jrib> jonascj: well where are you running that?
[00:57] <usr13> z30n1c: Different distros have different startup processes, (processes which run all the various startup scripts which set the system in motion).
[00:57] <lee8oi> screen is great. I'm still excited about it :P
[00:58] <jrib> lee8oi: try tmux
[00:58] <jonascj> jrib: sorry, running what?
[00:58] <sylphie> z30n1c \ ubuntu (and debian) by default set things up to start the system into X windows
[00:58] <lee8oi> jrib, noted, thanks
[00:58] <usr13> z30n1c: Debian and Ubuntu (and some others), use "upstart"
[00:58] <jrib> jonascj: the patch command you just pasted in this channel
[00:59] <lee8oi> jrib, you can run this remotely and close out your connection without losing anything?
[00:59] <jrib> lee8oi: yes
[00:59] <lee8oi> jrib, interesting.
[00:59] <sylphie> z30n1c \ while on the opposite end, slackware starts your system into a command console, and you start X windows with the command "startx"
[00:59] <jrib> lee8oi: it's very similar to screen, just written by someone else.  It's actually what's used by default on bsd
[00:59] <z30n1c> started a year or two back with a version of ubuntu but command line only. didnt know for a good month or two that startx chucked be into a gui
[00:59] <lee8oi> jrib, the colors alone make it very attractive
[01:00] <lee8oi> is it in the Ubuntu repos?
[01:00] <usr13> z30n1c: Ubuntu and Debain have [arguably] the most sophisticated / advanced package management system and the most extensive repositories.
[01:00] <jrib> lee8oi: yes
[01:00] <lee8oi> jrib, sorry dumb question...lol
[01:00] <jrib> lee8oi: note the colors you could do in screen too :)
[01:01] <z30n1c> surely if the repo isnt already in you can add it in and use it though
[01:01] <sylphie> z30n1c \ there is one good side to manually starting X, which is that x windows video driver problems don't cripple your whole computer
[01:01] <lee8oi> jrib, but not by default, I have too many things to keep track of to learn all the ins and outs of every tool I use :)
[01:01] <jrib> lee8oi: *nod*
[01:01] <MichaelP> ubuntu 12.10 do we install video driver by hand now ?
[01:01] <jonascj> jrib: yes I download http://tools.suckless.org/dmenu/patches/dmenu-4.5-xft.diff and http://dl.suckless.org/tools/dmenu-4.5.tar.gz and run "patch p1 < dmenu-4.5-xft.diff" (after untaring and copying the patch into the dir)
[01:01] <komputes> MichaelP: In Software Sources
[01:01] <lee8oi> jrib, defaults are my best friend. I've forced myself to grow accustomed to them :)
[01:02] <usr13> z30n1c: I manually start the Desktop Environment on my laptop.
[01:02] <ubuntuaddicted> i tried to uninstall mythweb and apache2 and now when I reinstall it, apache2 won't even start. I get this error: apache2: Syntax error on line 205 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load
[01:02] <komputes> MichaelP: last tab should be Additional Drivers
[01:02] <z30n1c> getting the x org to work for me took me the best part of a month to crack.
[01:03] <sylphie> z30n1c \ at least you've cracked it now
[01:03] <usr13> z30n1c: xorg.conf is not necessary, (not on today's systems).
[01:03] <jrib> jonascj: yes, and?  That works
[01:03] <usr13> z30n1c: Things are easier now...
[01:03] <MichaelP> komputes, ok thanks
[01:03] <z30n1c> google only helps so far, nothing better than speaking to someone that understands how everything works to get your head round it.
[01:03] <blkadder> ubuntuaddicted: Did you reinstall php too?
[01:03] <lee8oi> jrib, whats the shortcut to background the terminal, usually in screen is ctrl+a,ctrl+d
[01:03] <ubuntuaddicted> blkadder, it appears to be already installed
[01:04] <usr13> z30n1c: distrowatch.com is a good place to check out the various distros.
[01:04] <komputes> MichaelP: welcome
[01:04] <ubuntuaddicted> php5 is already the newest version. it must be some config file messed up
[01:04] <sylphie> z30n1c \ in theory xorg.conf isn't necessary, when everything works right. xorg.conf is the quickest way to deal with video problems though
[01:04] <jrib> lee8oi: ctrl-b is the default escape character for tmux I think.  Try ctrl-b ?
[01:04] <z30n1c> even now xorg on one of my old laptops still myths me.
[01:04] <blkadder> ubuntuaddicted: Pastebin the second config file mentioned in the error.
[01:04] <somsip> lee8oi: ctrl-b d
[01:04] <lee8oi> jrib, nothing. I'll poke around in the docs
[01:05] <lee8oi> ahh hold on
[01:05] <MichaelP> Additional Drivers was not even installed
[01:05] <usr13> z30n1c: But you'll find that Ubuntu is the most readily supported, (in terms of finding info particular to Ubuntu and finding help with the various issues  you might run into).
[01:05] <ubuntuaddicted> blkadder, ok, one second
[01:05] <lee8oi> somsip, nope
[01:05] <jrib> lee8oi: ctrl-b ?    /should/ bring up a list of bindings
[01:05] <z30n1c> sylphie, the cli works fine but as soon as i hit startx the gui loads 4 x's bigger that the monitor
[01:05] <lee8oi> somsip, actuall yea, yer right
[01:05] <lee8oi> jrib, ctrl-b by itself does nothing
[01:05] <blkadder> ubuntuaddicted: And dpkg --get-selections | grep php
[01:05] <jrib> lee8oi: you forgot the "?" :)
[01:06] <jonascj> jrib: every hunk fails for me. Am I at the wrong directory level maybe?
[01:06] <lee8oi> jrib, but ctrl+b, d works
[01:06] <sylphie> z30n1c \ that's probably an xorg.conf setting you could fiddle with
[01:06] <jrib> jonascj: I don't know what directory you are in :)
[01:06] <jrib> jonascj: you should have a config.mk in the same directory
[01:07] <ubuntuaddicted> blkadder, oh, i can't. I reached my max pastebin posts for 24 hour. lol
[01:07] <z30n1c> im sure it is, no doubt the same issues i had with ubuntu 10.04 on a diff box. just not got round to having that battle.
[01:07] <jrib> lee8oi: in retrospect saying "ctrl-b ?"  I think I'm sold :)
[01:08] <usr13> z30n1c: grab what?
[01:08] <jrib> jonascj: should work, I just tried it here.  Pastebin all the lines you see in your terminal I guess
[01:08] <ubuntuaddicted> blkadder, here
[01:08] <ubuntuaddicted> blkadder, here's the dpkg http://pastebin.com/rj5UXS7n
[01:08] <jrib> lee8oi: yes, and it's actively developed
[01:08] <lee8oi> jrib, bonus
[01:08] <sylphie> some push kde, others gnome, ubuntu pusges unity
[01:08] <z30n1c> the nvida auto setup script etc?
[01:08] <usr13> z30n1c: It comes with the Nvidia driver
[01:09] <jrib> jonascj: need to leave for a bit.  I'll be back in ~10 but others can probably help once you pastebin
[01:09] <ubuntuaddicted> blkadder, i messaged you privatly
[01:09] <ubuntuaddicted> jrib, thanks, does that somehow work from ssh?
[01:09] <magma> usr13: why it is not installed by default?
[01:10] <jonascj> jrib: np - this is the paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1543192
[01:10] <jrib> ubuntuaddicted: pastebinit has some pastebin options I believe
[01:10] <jrib> !pastebinit | ubuntuaddicted
[01:11] <jrib> jonascj: start over from before you untarred and pastebin again
[01:11] <BroUnicorn> Does anyone know why I'm unable to delete the linux swap partition from my mac using disk utility?
[01:12] <jrib> jonascj: never mind.  You used "p1" instead of "-p1"
[01:12] <sylphie> BroUnicorn \ what's the error message say?
[01:12] <ubuntuaddicted> jrib, i know that, BUT my max paste limit is reached for 24 hours so I was wondering if pastebinit worked for ubuntu.pastebin
[01:12] <usr13> magma: The Nvidia driver?  Why is it not installed by default?  Because of the opensource driver, (that works quite well), and because Nvidia's driver belong to Nvidia, (not Ubuntu).
[01:12] <z30n1c> BroUnicorn, you tried booting from a live distro cd?
[01:12] <BroUnicorn> z30n1c: You mean an ubuntu cd?
[01:12] <magma> usr13: the traceroute command
[01:12] <jrib> ubuntuaddicted: sure, see its man page
[01:12] <usr13> magma: Oh, I dono
[01:13] <BroUnicorn> z30n1c: I haven't tried using the ubuntu disks app, no
[01:13] <sylphie> BroUnicorn \ what's the error message say?
[01:13] <AceFace> hello all
[01:13] <jonascj> jrib: om*g thank you. That dash have been missing the whole 30 minutes I've been at this
[01:14] <BroUnicorn> sylphie: There isn't one. It just won't delete from the disk utility app on Mac. BTW: I will be done pestering this chat with questions soon. I had to delete ubuntu from my mac so I could install the free Windows 8 OS my University gave me, then I'm going to reinstall ubuntu and be done with all of this mess.
[01:15] <sylphie> BroUnicorn \ if you reinstall win 8, maybe you can reinstall it so that it doesn't use up all the disk space in the first place, so there will be so free space without resizing
[01:16] <jrib> jonascj: it happens :)
[01:17] <sylphie> BroUnicorn \ just a guess but maybe mac disk utils won't delete it because it's not a partition OS X knows anything about?
[01:18] <ccrnp> hey I am new to IRC what command shall i have to use to send msg like <nicknam>: <message>
[01:18] <ccrnp> anyone ?
[01:19] <Cyber_Akuma> Is the manufacturer of my soundcard or motherboard dosen't have linux drivers for download, what would be my best bet for them in ubuntu?
[01:19] <Cyber_Akuma> if any
[01:19] <Tex_Nick> ccrnp : /me message ?
[01:19] <sylphie> Cyber_Akuma \ if it's a popular kind of sound card, there might linux alsa drivers anyways
[01:20] <Pici> ccrnp: just start typing the name and press tab
[01:20] <Cyber_Akuma> The soundcard came out a few months ago, even the WINDOWS drivers were cd-only until they released an updated version for download like 2-3 weeks ago
[01:20] <Cyber_Akuma> Sound Blazter Z
[01:20] <ccrnp> Pici, like this
[01:20] <zero_track> ccrnp: none cmd?!
[01:20] <ccrnp> yup got it
[01:20] <Cyber_Akuma> Blaster*
[01:20] <ccrnp> Pici, thanks
[01:21] <sylphie> Cyber_Akuma \ if it's thatr new, probably no linux drivers written yet. Cearive labs the mfg never did much to write their own linux drivers
[01:21]  * ccrnp test
[01:21] <Cyber_Akuma> ouch.. and I disabled the on-board sound card
[01:21] <Cyber_Akuma> What about my motherboard chipset then
[01:21] <Cyber_Akuma> I am guessing I am out of luck for the built-in wifi and bluetooth support?
[01:22] <sylphie> Cyber_Akuma \ well, what kind of onboard sound was it?
[01:22] <sylphie> Cyber_Akuma \ no, you're inluxk for wifi and bluetooth
[01:22] <Cyber_Akuma> realtek, but I disabled it because its primarly a windows machine and I use my soundblaster for sound
[01:22] <sylphie> wifi is well supported and so is bluetooth
[01:22] <Cyber_Akuma> didn't want anything to use the on-board audio
[01:23] <Cyber_Akuma> Though my gpu has an audio card on it too so theres also that issue...
[01:23] <Tex_Nick> ccrnp : sorry i misunderstood your question ... but now you see how that works :)
[01:23] <Cyber_Akuma> but nvidia has drivers for my video cards, and lsi has drivers for my raid card
[01:23] <sylphie> Cyber_Akuma \ realtek audio is supported
[01:23] <Cyber_Akuma> so those won't be a problem at least
[01:23] <Cyber_Akuma> I know, but my sound card is a sound blaster, I disabled the on-board realtek
[01:23] <BroUnicorn> sylphie: Very possible
[01:23] <froio_> hi guys i did a copy and past after i deleted the information after i did another copy, my pc is still on , i can recover the old copy ???
[01:23] <BroUnicorn> sylphie: I'll try using an ubuntu disk
[01:24] <froio_> please help please
[01:24] <sylphie> Cyber_Akuma \ sound blaster 2? is that pci-e?
[01:24] <Cyber_Akuma> yes
[01:24] <Cyber_Akuma> no, not 2
[01:24] <Cyber_Akuma> Z
[01:24] <froio_> hi guys i did a copy and past after i deleted the information after i did another copy, my pc is still on , i can recover the old copy ???
[01:24] <datakid23> Hi, I"m having weird apt-get issues regarding a missing kernel image. It's a kernel from a while ago though - the issue happened as a result of having to move /boot (initial partition too small) coupled with updates that failed due to power failure
[01:25] <datakid23> Error message is "Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-31-generic)"
[01:25] <Cyber_Akuma> http://www.creative.com/soundblaster/z/z/
[01:25] <froio_> hi guys i did a copy and past after i deleted the information after i did another copy, my pc is still on , i can recover the old copy ???
[01:25] <sylphie> Cyber_Akuma \ give it a try, it might be supported if it's based on a pre-existing chipset
[01:25] <datakid23> anyone know where I might find that boot image online? I've tried apt-get clean/remove/update etc
[01:26] <datakid23> I think I just need the image and I'll pop it in place
[01:26] <Cyber_Akuma> the core is, dunno abotu the rest of the card
[01:26] <Cyber_Akuma> what about my motherboard then?
[01:26] <MichaelP> just installed ati driver in 12.10... i have no panel or sidebar now
[01:26] <AceFace> i have a question. im reading this document: http://goo.gl/Mddr5 , and i am specifically looking at this snippet: http://goo.gl/QK4GF , and i am getting this error: http://goo.gl/U8Bjh , i am trying to set up ejabberd in a cluster and the docs say to "On second run the following command as the ejabberd daemon user, in the working directory of ejabberd" but i dont quite know how to do this. Ive tried "sudo -u ejabberd command" but it produces and err
[01:26] <Cyber_Akuma> Also, if I use a livecd, can I install the drivers (obviosly in ram so it won't be permanent) so I can see if they work first? Or would I need to reboot, thus wiping out the drivers
[01:27] <sylphie> Cyber_Akuma \ yes, you can run the live cd to see how all your devices detect before installing
[01:28] <desti> http://www.petitiononline.com/petitions/Linflix/signatures
[01:30] <Cyber_Akuma> sylphie: i menat installing drivers that aren't included on the livecd, or possibly not even in the repos
[01:31] <Cyber_Akuma> espeially for the motherboard chipset or gpu
[01:31] <Cyber_Akuma> Would I be able to do that on a livecd without any permanent changes?
[01:31] <sylphie> Cyber_Akuma \ you can find out how well you're covered driverwise using the livecd
[01:31] <somebodynew> a
[01:32] <sylphie> Cyber_Akuma \ your sound might be a question, but the rest of it will probably have drivers.
[01:33] <somebodynew> exit
[01:34] <sylphie> Cyber_Akuma \ most of the video cards in use have drivers. If you have an nvidia card, you get two drivers to choose from
[01:35] <sylphie> Cyber_Akuma \ I'd suggest (personally) the opensource "nouveau" driver instead of the proprietary "nvidia" driver
[01:37] <jonascj> ah tnose XFT fonts are beautiful :D
[01:40] <jambeedrum> where does the courier mail server keeps its man pages, anyone helping?
[01:42] <igor_> hello
[01:42] <sylphie> here's a starting place http://www.courier-mta.org/FAQ.html
[01:42] <jambeedrum> ok ty
[01:42] <igor_> i have a question about pendrive linux.
[01:43] <Tex_Nick> !details | igor
[01:43] <igor_> i have never used a pendrive linux.  i have an uncle that is tired of getting virus' from windows so he wants tp try linux  i thought pendrive would be nice.
[01:43] <igor_> oik. sorry
[01:44] <igor_> what is the drawbacks of using a boota\ble form if linux
[01:45] <sylphie> If you wnt to install linux to an external pendrive, try to make sure it's a mechanical drive and not a ssd. all the writes to a ssd shorten it's life
[01:46] <igor_> how would i know the difference?  are common drives mechanical?
[01:46] <escott> igor_, all pendrive are ssds
[01:46] <igor_> ok. i though so.
[01:47] <sylphie> right now, ssd drives are becoming very popular, the older ones were micro-mechanical
[01:47] <igor_> so it would be ok to use to just try out linux for maybe a month?
[01:47] <sylphie> maybe
[01:48] <sylphie> it would work
[01:48] <igor_> yea. he just wants to try it out.
[01:49] <sylphie> a second external drive is the safest way to try linux
[01:49] <igor_> i was wondering if their was any other drawbacks to it. like ...security, program installs?
[01:49] <blkadder> Please practice safe Linuxing.
[01:50] <AceFace> lol
[01:50] <igor_> lol
[01:50] <sylphie> igor_ \ when you boot to the pendrive, all the program install will go to the pendrive
[01:51] <igor_> cool. can i use a different username and password withit also? will it save to it?
[01:52] <escott> igor_, there is essentially no security benefit to usernames/passwords for installs to removable disks, but yes you can
[01:53] <igor_> it will run much slower cause its running from usb?
[01:53] <escott> igor_, mixed.
[01:53] <sylphie> ssds usually run very fast
[01:53] <igor_> but in usb 2.0?
[01:54] <sylphie> usb 2.0 has a theoretical max spe3ed of 60 mb/sec
[01:54] <escott> igor_, usb flash disks are slow to write (think about all the times you sit there while the light flashes before you can eject), but reads are fast
[01:54] <gassed> I am a linux novice, anyone here point me in the direction of a tutorial to get VNC working on Ubuntu 12.04LTS
[01:55] <igor_> ok thanks
[01:55] <sylphie> igor_
[01:55] <sylphie> if you want to spend a little extra money, you can get an external usb hdd enclosure that uses a standard hdd
[01:56] <blkadder> !vnc
[01:58] <igor_> yea.  i was trying to be cheap about it.  he is a pc noob. and i didnt want to go and install it to his pc right away and change all the boot configs and all.
[01:59] <sylphie> if it's on a second gdd, there do not need to be any changes to the windows configs
[01:59] <Tex_Nick> igor : i've been using usb sata dock for several years now ... you can swap drives out easily ... they work great ... http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=usb3+sata+dock&x=0&y=0
[02:00] <sylphie> and if they don't like linux, they can still use the second drive for backups
[02:00] <Mathrys83> hmmm my linux side isnt recognizing any other the other partions
[02:02] <Tex_Nick> igor : problem with usb mechanical drives is that ac pi won't spin down the drive :(
[02:02] <Tex_Nick> acpi*
[02:02] <igor_> cool. thanks for the input.  so linux would run fine from a sata dock? linux for me runs much faster and smoother than windows on my multi boot pc
[02:03] <AceFace> can someone help me interpret some documentation?
[02:03] <vifanq> UDev doesn't mount external drives to /media automatically?
[02:03] <igor_> ok. so if he liked it, it would be advisable to just install to the main HDD?
[02:04] <escott> vifanq, udev never did the mounting. udisks does
[02:04] <escott> AceFace, only if you ask
[02:04] <escott> Mathrys83, and?
[02:04] <vifanq> escott: should I install udisks, or udisks2 ?
[02:05] <jgspratt> Hello.  I have this problem with DHCPD on ubuntu 10.04: http://hastebin.com/caxipaqeru.vhdl
[02:05] <AceFace> im looking at step 2 (aka 4.2.2) here: http://www.ejabberd.im/files/doc/guide.html#htoc28 and i dont know how to "run under ejabberd"
[02:05] <sylphie> igor_ \ it's always better to keep windows and linux on different drives
[02:05] <AceFace> does this mean under the user ejabberd?
[02:05] <ak> Hello.Is there a way to connect to a wifi throught wlan0 and use it same time to create an AP on the same card?Thanks in advance!
[02:05] <jgspratt> how can I fix this problem?
[02:05] <jgspratt> what does it mean that it doesn't have a subnet configured?
[02:05] <escott> ak, not without specialized hardware support
[02:05] <dr_willis> AceFace: run as the ejabberd user. yes
[02:06] <jambeedrum> sylphie: are you shure the question is there? can i just type "man courier" ?
[02:06] <jgspratt> I clearly configured a subnet: subnet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> {
[02:06] <Mathrys83> i dunno im lost i live updated to 12.04 and now i cant see my other drives and cant get back to windows and what not
[02:06] <jgspratt> That was line 16 of the paste.
[02:06] <escott> vifanq, both? just install ubuntu-desktop
[02:06] <ak> escott , meaning?
[02:06] <AceFace> dr_willis: does this mean i use "sudo -u ejabber COMMAND" ?
[02:06] <igor_> ok. would 2 internal sata's be the thing to do?
[02:06] <jgspratt> Somehow, I need the dhcp server to start working soon so that I can get PXE boot working on this.
[02:06] <sylphie> jambeedrum \ at the top of that page was a link the courier mail server wiki which functions like man pages
[02:07] <dr_willis> AceFace:  or use su. or omthing like that command
[02:07] <ubuntuaddicted> blkadder, are you there?
[02:07] <ubuntuaddicted> for some reason my apache2 isn't starting after I restarted my computer
[02:07] <AceFace> dr_willis: i try that, and i get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1543220/
[02:08] <sylphie> igor_ \ that would be the best way, if he really liked linux. but it would involve some hardware installation
[02:08] <ubuntuaddicted> something is already binding to port 80 so apache2 doesn't start. what is nginx?
[02:09] <ubuntuaddicted> i don't even recall installing nginx
[02:09] <TheLordOfTime> ubuntuaddicted, nginx is a different webserver.
[02:09] <ubuntuaddicted> TheLordOfTime, what could have possibly installed it?
[02:09] <TheLordOfTime> ubuntuaddicted, sudo apt-get remove nginx nginx-light nginx-full
[02:09] <escott> ak, if they were on the same channel there shouldn't be anything that would actually prevent what you are proposing, but to jump different channels would be a problem
[02:09] <TheLordOfTime> ubuntuaddicted, no idea
[02:10] <ubuntuaddicted> TheLordOfTime, that's just strange, now packages are just installing by themselves. lol
[02:10] <dr_willis> i imagine you installed it..
[02:10] <dr_willis> and dident notice
[02:11] <escott> ak, you really want some kind of hardware that can tune and transmit on two different channels at the same time
[02:11] <jgspratt> does dhcpd actually work on ubuntu?
[02:11] <ubuntuaddicted> dr_willis, unless it came with something else. maybe mythweb?
[02:11] <ubuntuaddicted> or when I installed php5?
[02:11] <TheLordOfTime> ubuntuaddicted, php5 doesn't depend on nginx
[02:11] <dr_willis> ubuntuaddicted:  no idea. i dont use mythtv any more
[02:11] <TheLordOfTime> ubuntuaddicted, afaik nothing really depends on nginx.  except some customized ISOs.
[02:12] <igor_> it would require a grub loader then?
[02:12] <TheLordOfTime> question" does Kubuntu get the LTS title?
[02:12] <sylphie> igor_ \ the grub loader would go on the second drive
[02:12] <TheLordOfTime> my understanding was that was only Ubuntyu
[02:12] <TheLordOfTime> Ubuntu *
[02:12] <ubuntuaddicted> dr_willis, TheLordOfTime well, sudo apt-get remove nginx worked and now apache2 can start.
[02:13] <ubuntuaddicted> that was just weird
[02:13] <ak> What i was trying so long to do  was to connect to an open wifi on channel 11(succeded) , create an AP on the same channel (succeded) and connect throught my laptop to servers AP(failed).I ll keep trying then.Thanks for your time :D
[02:13] <sylphie> ak \ maybe ios you had a second wifi
[02:14] <sylphie> ak \ maybe if you had a second wifi  ...
[02:14] <igor_> so the windows drive stays virgin?
[02:14] <vifanq> Why ssh X11 forwarding might fail after a while? I ssh to ubuntu box from OSX. Running x11 app on ubuntu correctly forwards to OSX. But after like 1 hour, it reports "cannot open dispaly" error
[02:14] <sylphie> igor_ \ yes
[02:14] <igor_> grub loader goes on the linux drive by default?
[02:15] <sylphie> igor_ \ yes, if you config it that way
[02:15] <ak> unfortunatelly sylphie thats not an option for now,but yeah i guess it would be easyer that way
[02:15] <igor_> ok. so it requires some config?
[02:15] <dr_willis> igor_:sometimes the unstaller may default to the wrong hd. so always double check it
[02:15] <jgspratt> how can I fix dhcpd?
[02:16] <sylphie> igor_ \ what you would do is select the boot drive in the computer's system bios
[02:16] <dr_willis> i put grub on my ubuntu hd.
[02:17] <igor_> ok. so linux drive first with grub loader on it, the grub loader would giver the option of 2 OS's?
[02:17] <sylphie> gyre007 has a lot of peer problems, two nights running
[02:18] <sylphie> igor_ \ that is one way to do it
[02:18] <igor_> ok.  i run linux and 2 windows OS's off one drive what is bad about it?
[02:19] <sylphie> igor_ \ windows doesn't like to share
[02:20] <escott> igor_, nothing is wrong with that
[02:20] <igor_> yea. i had to re-install grub after i put W7 on it.
[02:20] <sylphie> igor_ \ and sometimes any linux makes mistakes that can effect everything on the drive
[02:20] <jgspratt> Does anyone have a workign dhcpd server on ubuntu?
[02:20] <igor_>  is it common?
[02:20] <Mathrys83> sylphie neither does ubuntu apparently i live upgraded to 12.04 and lost my other partitions some how, i can occasionly see my other windows drive, but have lost the ability to boot into windows or linuxmint
[02:21] <jgspratt> Does anyone have a working DHCPD on any version of Linux at all ever?
[02:21] <sylphie> igor_ \ see, that's why two drive are better than sharing
[02:22] <igor_> i would like second drive myself. i was thinking of a ssd for speed.  but know i hear bad things about them..
[02:23] <blkadder> Yes all that speed can be dangerous...
[02:23] <igor_> lol
[02:23] <Mathrys83> when i do sudo apt-get install grub it wants to remove this "grub-gfxpayload-lists grub-pc grub2-common" is this ok
[02:23] <TheLordOfTime> Mathrys83, sudo apt-get install grub2
[02:24] <TheLordOfTime> not grub
[02:24] <blkadder> igor_: Seriously most ssds are fine. I have a couple and they work great.
[02:24] <TheLordOfTime> grub is legacy grub, you want to use grub2
[02:24] <TheLordOfTime> usually.
[02:24] <jgspratt> How can I tell what config file my dhcpd is trying to use>?
[02:24] <Mathrys83> well no removal request that time
[02:24] <igor_> they are expensive.  what size would be good for linux install?
[02:25] <Tex_Nick> igor : i've probably missed some of your issues, as i understand it though you would like to provide safe easy dual system ... one method i use is ... with 2 drives ... install windows on one drive ... then ubuntu on another drive ... make sure grub goes on 2nd drive ... that way either drive will boot by itself if other drive is removed  ... because ubuntu doesn't overwrite mbr on windoze drive
[02:25] <blkadder> igor_: True but prices have dropped pretty dramatically.
[02:25] <limpc> hi. how do i install php 5.4.10 on ubuntu? the current version included in the ubuntu repos is 5.4.6 and has serious bugs
[02:26] <Mathrys83> how do i load grub2, grub2 says its missing grib
[02:26] <Mathrys83> grub
[02:26] <sylphie> limpc \ go to the php site, d/l your chosen source code, then build it
[02:26] <igor_> if i have ubuntu drive boot first with grub loader will it give me the option in grub loader to bott either OS?
[02:26] <limpc> ive tried compiling php 5.4.10 manually but it keeps failing on not finding libXpm.so, but I do have it and point to it.
[02:27] <TheLordOfTime> limpc, sudo apt-get build-dep php5 first
[02:27] <TheLordOfTime> limpc, first do `sudo apt-get build-dep php5`
[02:27] <TheLordOfTime> limpc, you need the build dependencies for php5, afaik they're the same between 5.3.x and 5.4.x
[02:27] <limpc> TheLordOfTime: thanks
[02:27] <TheLordOfTime> don't include the ` characters thouhg when you run that
[02:27] <limpc> is there a site with these instructions?
[02:27] <subcool> Hey- question. - I just gparted and created a new partition- but for some reason - when it mounts, it mounts as ROOT. I have chown user /folder - and now its allows user/root -???
[02:27] <sylphie> limpc \ the first thing you'd you is "sh configure"
[02:28] <Tex_Nick> igor : yes
[02:28] <limpc> sylphie: um im not THAT much of a noob.  thats where im running into the libXpm.so issue
[02:28] <sylphie> ok :)
[02:28] <ncm> does anyone know how to set up a sub domain in apache2?
[02:29] <limpc> though, thanks to ubuntu repos, its been a long time since ive had to manually compile anything :P
[02:29] <sylphie> limpc \ it's probably just not finding it *where* it's expecting it
[02:29] <TheLordOfTime> limpc, as i said, install the build deps, those errors should mostly disappear
[02:29] <igor_> thanks everybody.
[02:30] <limpc> sylphie: i'm pointing it to the location its at
[02:30] <limpc> TheLordOfTime: nope still same issue :/
[02:30] <TheLordOfTime> limpc, which ubuntu are you on?
[02:31] <blkadder> limpc: Hpw are you pointing it?
[02:31] <blkadder> err how
[02:31] <Tex_Nick> igor : if you remove the ubuntu drive ... the windoze drive will still have it's mbr intact and boot ... if you remove the windoze drive ... ubuntu ( grub ) will still show the windoze boot option ... but it won't boot into because the win drive is no longer there
[02:31] <igor_> later
[02:32] <limpc> TheLordOfTime: im using mint actually which is basically a lighter version of xubuntu
[02:32] <limpc> blkadder: http://pastebin.com/WYEXNbpL
[02:32] <TheLordOfTime> erm...
[02:32] <sylphie> I think gyre is part of some bot net
[02:32] <TheLordOfTime> !mint | limpc
[02:32] <TheLordOfTime> limpc, mint's not somehting we support, even a tiny bit, in this channel.
[02:32] <TheLordOfTime> limpc, so... yeah can't help you any further.
[02:32] <TheLordOfTime> (mint does... things... to the repositories when they base their stuff on ubuntu, so it makes it hard for us to help you fix things)
[02:32] <alles-wird-gut> hi, file -i tells me the file is charset=binary. I want to convert it to utf-8
[02:33] <igor_> ok. gotcha.
[02:33] <alles-wird-gut> but recode and iconv does't support it...
[02:34] <limpc> TheLordOfTime: what kind of things? I moved from ubuntu to mint because it still uses ubuntu repos (not separate repos), same kernel, same structure, same everything, just has a lighter XFCE and uses less memory than xubuntu
[02:34] <escott> alles-wird-gut, what is a binary charset?
[02:34] <blkadder> limpc: ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXpm.so.4 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXpm.so
[02:34] <sylphie> limpc \ apparently it's not 100 percent build compativle
[02:35] <limpc> whats not compatible?
[02:35] <sylphie> limpc \ apparently the ubuntu libs so's aren't
[02:35] <alles-wird-gut> escott, file -i tells application/x-rar; charset=binary
[02:35] <limpc> blkadder: i already have a symlink there
[02:35] <blkadder> limpc: show me
[02:35] <escott> alles-wird-gut, its a rar file
[02:36] <alles-wird-gut> of course
[02:36] <limpc> blkadder: http://pastebin.com/akAAi0yD
[02:36] <alles-wird-gut> with bad symbols  in filename
[02:36] <gccster> guys i have 2 webcam how can i set the sequence of camera i want first to be /dev/video0 and second to be /dev/video1 ?
[02:37] <escott> alles-wird-gut, the filename is not the file
[02:37] <sylphie> gyre007 \ stop logging in
[02:37] <escott> alles-wird-gut, iconv works on the file contents not the filename. just mv the file to a new name
[02:38] <alles-wird-gut> okay
[02:38] <sylphie> gyre007 \ stop logging in
[02:38] <sylphie> gyre007 \ stop it
[02:38] <blkadder> limpc: Hmm... dpk --get-selections | grep Xpm
[02:38] <sylphie> gyre007 \ stop it
[02:39] <blkadder> err dpkg...
[02:39] <limpc> sylphie: he's not here. thats an auto reconnect
[02:39] <limpc> blkadder: hmm nothing listed
[02:39] <blkadder> limpc: Well that could be a problem.
[02:39] <sylphie> if I were a channel mod
[02:40] <jrib> guess 24 hour is not enough :)
[02:40] <limpc> thats strange. how do i have the lib then?
[02:40] <blkadder> limpc: Well it may be installed by something else, not positive.
[02:40] <blkadder> The package might not have Xpm in the name...
[02:40] <limpc> oh its not Xpm its xpm in dpkg
[02:41] <blkadder> Ah
[02:41] <limpc> http://pastebin.com/3agJNSVf
[02:41] <jambeedrum> sylphie: are you familiarized with my sort of issue?
[02:42] <cakeboss> Hey guys. I am trying to format an SD card to put ubuntu on it, using ubuntu. I am using terminal with the command, "mkdosfs". I bought a 32gb SD card, what should I format it as?
[02:42] <limpc> i wonder if its also looking for xpm but prints Xpm
[02:42] <limpc> the symlinks are for Xpm
[02:42] <escott> cakeboss, fat32
[02:42] <sylphie> jambeedrum \ you never said what your issue was, you just wanted to finding reading material about courier mail server
[02:42] <dr_willis> cakeboss:  you are setting it up to use as a live-cd-usb ? or a full normal insttall?
[02:42] <cub> hello
[02:42] <cub> i have a slight issue
[02:43] <cakeboss> escott: will I be able to use the rest of the SD card? I thought fat32 restricted hardrive's disk size or something
[02:43] <cakeboss> dr_willis: full normal install
[02:43] <cub> i am running ubuntu 10.04, just tried upgrading to 12.04 and a msg popped up saying that my graphics card may not work on upgrade
[02:43] <limpc> hmm nope that wasnt it.  created a symlink with a small x and it still errors looking for libXpm.so
[02:43] <dr_willis> cakeboss:  then you let the installer partio/format .
[02:43] <cub> "The support in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS for your Intel graphics hardware is limited and you may encounter problems after the upgrade." < the msg
[02:43] <escott> cakeboss, no
[02:43] <KylieBrooks> hi
[02:44] <KylieBrooks> um
[02:44] <cub> so idk if i should continue or not
[02:44] <sylphie> cakeboss \ fat32 can go up to 128 gb, but windows will only format 32gb fat32 partitions
[02:44] <KylieBrooks> unity keeps freezing on me
[02:44] <KylieBrooks> new ubuntu install
[02:44] <jambeedrum> sylphie: its playng with a mail server, i choose courier because it has an atractive name
[02:44] <dr_willis> cakeboss:   for a sd card i would normnally make a ext2/3/4   for / then a small swap.
[02:44] <KylieBrooks> only firefox and kvirc are new software installed
[02:44] <KylieBrooks> what do i do
[02:45] <sylphie> jambeedrum \ are you have problems with courier?
[02:45] <dr_willis> KylieBrooks:  start with a 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[02:45] <KylieBrooks> dr_willis: already donee
[02:45] <dr_willis> bbl
[02:46] <foggyspider> hi
[02:46] <KylieBrooks> i'd like support please:
[02:46] <KylieBrooks> unity keeps freezing on me
[02:46] <KylieBrooks> new ubuntu install
[02:46] <foggyspider> can anyone in here help me set default file permissions on a directory, I think acl is the solution but it is currently not working for me.
[02:46] <KylieBrooks> only firefox and kvirc are new software installed
[02:47] <sylphie> KylieBrooks \ is the whole machine locked up? does the caps lock still work?
[02:47] <blkadder> limpc: Can you give me the last few lines of your config.log in the install dir?
[02:48] <KylieBrooks> sylphie: when it locks up sometimes caps lock works other times not
[02:48] <sylphie> KylieBrooks \ then it sounds like a hardware driver problem
[02:48] <KylieBrooks> sylphie: ... /
[02:48] <KylieBrooks> sylphie: ... ?
[02:48] <KylieBrooks> sylphie: what do you mean ?
[02:48] <sylphie> KylieBrooks \ what kind of ivdeo card do you have?
[02:48] <sylphie> video
[02:49] <KylieBrooks> sylphie: no idea... how do i find out?
[02:49] <sylphie> lshw
[02:49] <limpc> blkadder: http://pastebin.com/hf95CaXm
[02:49] <sylphie> KylieBrooks \ video driver problems are most likely to do this
[02:49] <KylieBrooks> sylphie: sec...
[02:50] <blkadder> limpc: hmm, not verbose enough.
[02:50] <cads> hey guys
[02:50] <cads> can I install a new version of ubuntu from inside an old one, without burning a disk?
[02:50] <limpc> blkadder: let me paste a different part of the log - that was cached vars
[02:51] <limpc> blkadder: http://pastebin.com/rKJPgsNm
[02:51] <KylieBrooks> sylphie: reads like intel
[02:51] <sylphie> cads \ you can upgrade, at your peril
[02:51] <sylphie> KylieBrooks \ so obviously something in the intel video settings
[02:52] <blkadder> limpc: I am pretty certain it has something to do with feeding it the right place to look for the files.
[02:52] <cads> sylphie, is it very dangerous?
[02:52] <KylieBrooks> sylphie: where are these settings
[02:52] <KylieBrooks> cads: yeah ...
[02:53] <blkadder> Ahh
[02:53] <sylphie> cads \ a lot of people have negative upgrade expereinces, but some do fine
[02:53] <blkadder> limpc: Remove the /usr/lib from your --with-xpm-dir
[02:54] <limpc> the whole path?
[02:54] <sylphie> KylieBrooks \ there was a command for generating an xorg.conf from your settings. it would tell you was those settings were
[02:54] <blkadder> No, just the /usr/lib portion.
[02:54] <KylieBrooks> sylphie: and ... ?
[02:54] <beatsonline> !vavoom
[02:55] <sylphie> KylieBrooks \ easy things to try though, like turning down your screen resolution
[02:55] <blkadder> --with-xpm-dir=x86_64-linux-gnu
[02:55] <sylphie> KylieBrooks \ I'm not really sure about intel video, I don't have that
[02:56] <limpc> blkadder:  hm no dice :/ still couldnt find it
[02:56] <sylphie> KylieBrooks \ another thing to check is how much shared system memory your video is set yo use
[02:56] <KylieBrooks> sylphie: how ...
[02:57] <sylphie> KylieBrooks \ amount of shated memory would be in the system bios.
[02:57] <limpc> im confused as to why its not finding it though - the file IS there
[02:57] <blkadder> limpc: How about adding --with-libdir=x86_64-linux-gnu
[02:57] <sylphie> limpc \ are you sure you've got the right version of the xmp.so?
[02:58] <KylieBrooks> sylphie: i reduced resolution
[02:58] <kunji> I have a pretty recent install of 12.10 here, the machine seems to insist on blanking the screen if the machine is idle and when it is in that state one cpu core will go to 100%.  This is using an AMD A10 APU with the proprietary drivers that "get additional drivers" finds.  The brightness and lock setting for "Turn screen off when inactive for:" is set to Never, and in Power, "Suspend when inactive for" is set to Don't suspend.  So, I'm no
[02:58] <KylieBrooks> sylphie: hope it works
[02:58] <sylphie> KylieBrooks \ it could also be something like the video card overheating
[02:59] <limpc> blkadder: do i remobe x86_64-linux-gnu from the libxpm option?
[02:59] <blkadder> Well try with it, and then try removing it completely
[02:59] <ErdMutter> How would I go about improving the battery life on my Macbook Pro 9,2 on 12.10?
[02:59] <blkadder> meaning remove the whole --with-xpm-dir bit
[03:00] <sylphie> KylieBrooks \ because linux doesn't do the best power management, so sometimes things can overheat
[03:00] <KylieBrooks> ah sylphie
[03:02] <limpc> blkadder: w00t, that worked.
[03:02] <blkadder> limpc: Which one?
[03:03] <blkadder> Sorry their config script seems to rely on a lot of vodoo.
[03:03] <blkadder> voodoo even.
[03:03] <sylphie> lots of voodoo in php
[03:04] <limpc> blkadder: removed the --with-xpm-dir entirely
[03:04] <blkadder> limpc: Gotcha.
[03:04] <sylphie> php makes bargains with the loas
[03:09] <kunji> I'm stepping away for an hour or so, so if anyone thinks of any reasons my screens are turning off (when comp is idle), just type it here and I'll see it when I get back, thanks.
[03:09] <dr_willis> gremlins
[03:10] <blkadder> Powersaving options?
[03:10] <dr_willis> too obvious
[03:10] <Sgt_Shultz> i know nothing
[03:12] <sylphie> I liked the archbishop of canterbury episode
[03:12] <Tex_Nick> kunji : what do your processes show in system monitor ... what distro
[03:13] <Sgt_Shultz> maybe the monitors inbuilt power saving feature ?
[03:13] <urlwolf> anyone having any luck with xmodmap and capslock?
[03:14] <Tecan> hey why does my system have so many ntp services running ?
[03:14] <urlwolf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1743145
[03:14] <sylphie> Tecan, everyone is asking you for the time
[03:14] <Tecan> dst=<IP_ADDRESS> dst=<IP_ADDRESS> dst=<IP_ADDRESS> dst=<IP_ADDRESS> dst=<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:15] <sylphie> Tecan, you aren't required to run ntp
[03:15] <Tecan> yeah but why would i have 5 things listening for the time ?
[03:15] <Tecan> applets ?
[03:15] <dr_willis> 5 pcs?
[03:15] <Tecan> yes 5
[03:15] <sylphie> 5 people asking your computer for the time
[03:15] <Tecan> linux mint 14
[03:16] <blkadder> Tecan: In order to keep the time as accurate as possible.
[03:16] <dr_willis> so each pc is looking  to update its clock.
[03:16] <Tecan> yeah but why those servers
[03:16] <dr_willis> random time server perhaps
[03:17] <Tecan> should they be left running ?
[03:17] <dr_willis> if you dont want them - then disable them..  ntp is not installed by default on ubuntu.
[03:17] <sylphie> Tecan, because these days most people disable ntp, so any who wants to set their clock by ntp has to go looking, and they find you
[03:17] <dr_willis> i belive
[03:18] <blkadder> http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-algo-real.htm#Q-NTP-ALGO
[03:18] <blkadder> See the section about having more than one clock.
[03:18] <dr_willis> clients can go to the internet to a set of standard ntp servers around the globe
[03:20] <Hilikus> what happens if i have two hard links to a file that's 1MB and burn both of them to a cd using brasero? would they become to separate files (so total size 2MB) or would the hard link be preserved?
[03:21] <dr_willis> Hilikus:  im not sure the iso9660 filesystem supports hard links. so i would say you would get 2 files
[03:21] <dr_willis> i think theres some iso options that might support them. but its been ages since i last dug into  burning fs options
[03:22] <sylphie> Hilikus; if you were using mkisofs, there are settings to accomodate hard links
[03:22] <Hilikus> sylphie: doesn't brasero use mkisofs underneath?
[03:22] <elisa87> Do you know the reason for this error? mona@mona-HP-Pavilion-dv3-Notebook-PC:~/Desktop/DB$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[03:22] <elisa87>  * Restarting web server apache2                                                                                apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using <IP_ADDRESS> for ServerName
[03:22] <elisa87>  ... waiting apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using <IP_ADDRESS> for ServerName
[03:22] <sylphie> idk
[03:22] <FloodBot1> elisa87: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:22] <dr_willis> mkisofs has dozens of options
[03:23] <dr_willis> and some may not be compatiablw with all os's
[03:23] <somsip> elisa87: it's not an error, it's a warning
[03:23] <elisa87> dr_willis hi Do you know the reason for this Apache restart problem?
[03:23] <elisa87> somsip OK doesn't mean I should care about it?
[03:23] <blkadder> elisa87: Because it can't determine the host name via DNS.
[03:24] <dr_willis> elisa87:   cant find  name. i recall being  where your /etc/hosts file dosent have <IP_ADDRESS> set to be an alias for your hostname
[03:24] <dr_willis> !hostname
[03:24] <Theodore>  HexChat: 2.9.4 ** OS: Linux 3.8.0-0-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "raring" 13.04 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz (GenuieIIntel) @ 1.60GHz ** RAM: Physical: 3.9GB, 67.1% free ** Disk: Total: 412.2GB, 82.7% free ** VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 [GeForce GT 630] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel1: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia2: Audigy2 - SB Audigy 2 ZS [SB035
[03:24] <Theodore> 0] ** Ethernet: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller ** Uptime: 2h 37m 52s **
[03:24] <elisa87> dr_willis: what's the solution?
[03:24] <somsip> elisa87: makes no difference if you don't have it set, but: http://serverfault.com/questions/103426/apache2-could-not-reliably-determine-the-servers-fully-qualified-domain-name
[03:24] <Theodore> hi
[03:24] <sylphie> Hilikus; if you use mkisofs and generate a "rock ridge" disk, it can do hard links, but then older windows versions won't habdle that
[03:24] <elisa87> somsip: thanks
[03:24] <dr_willis> edit /etc/hosts so it sees hostname as <IP_ADDRESS> perhaps.. thats just a warning - shouldent stop the service
[03:25] <jimmt> !help
[03:25] <dr_willis> sylphie:  your memory is better than mine. ;)
[03:25] <fugdis__> hello all
[03:25] <sylphie> I was just re-reading the mkisofs man page
[03:25] <dr_willis> thats cheating. ;p
[03:25] <dr_willis> i cant rember  the last time i made an iso image.
[03:26] <jimmt> hm, looks like those joke lines were taken out of ubottu?
[03:26] <jambeedrum> sylphie: are you familiarized with the main configuratio file, courierd ?
[03:26] <fugdis__> anybody familiar with creating scripts that plays an audio sound file everytime a password is entered incorrectly?
[03:26] <jambeedrum> at etc
[03:26] <fugdis__> please pm me if you can help
[03:26] <jambeedrum> id like to know my address so i could test sending a  mail
[03:27] <dr_willis> fugdis__:  cant say ive ever seen that done.. i  would think it would take more then a script
[03:27] <elisa87> somsip:  dr_willis what should I fill in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ? If I want to use the local host <IP_ADDRESS> ? I don't know how to fill it
[03:27] <sylphie> dr_willis; I make iso file all the time for archoival purposes, but I usually keep it simple for backward compatibility, so only iso level 1
[03:27] <fugdis__> dr_willis: yes probably, i'm playing with the i3WM and its sweet
[03:27] <fugdis__> i'm making that a challenge of mine
[03:27] <dr_willis> slystone:  i used to archive to dvd. then found a lot of my archives where.. bad
[03:27] <dr_willis> elisa87:  no idea. i dont do apache. the file i was refering to was /etc/hostgs
[03:27] <dr_willis> elisa87:  no idea. i dont do apache. the file i was refering to was /etc/hosts
[03:27] <somsip> elisa87: read the link I gave you. Add ServerName to your default (or whatever virtual site is setup) in /etc/apache/sites-available.
[03:28] <sylphie> jambeedrum \ sorry, I don't actually run any mail server to be familiar with
[03:28] <fugdis__> I know there is a way to make a sound play upon loggin in, but wonder if there is a way to do it with authentication failures
[03:28] <elisa87> I have no Server! But I think I don't need to have one and can use local host , right? somsip
[03:28] <CrazyZurfer> Hi guys, Could anyone help me to extract a .bin file? :)
[03:28] <CrazyZurfer> 7z and unrar cant
[03:28] <CrazyZurfer> can't execute it, even giving the rights
[03:29] <dr_willis> CrazyZurfer:  a .bin could be most anything... its a generic meaningless extension
[03:29] <dr_willis> CrazyZurfer:  so what IS the file exactly
[03:29] <sylphie> dr_willis; a lot depends on dvd disc quality
[03:29] <CrazyZurfer> dr_willis: it is a game (Need for speed hot persuit) It think is the disk image file
[03:29] <dr_willis> sylphie:  i just noticed when copying files back from the dvds i always seem to have an error ont he last file... so i quit filling them up as much. ;)
[03:30] <sylphie> dr_willis; I burn 3 for every archive, so in case of errors there can be a majority vote on what was correct
[03:30] <dr_willis> CrazyZurfer:     use 'file filename' to see what it is
[03:30] <CrazyZurfer> NFS3.bin: data
[03:31] <dr_willis> so it could be anything. ;)
[03:31] <sylphie> dr_willis; the error on the last file might have to do with using tao-mode instead of dao-mode
[03:31] <dr_willis> sylphie: yea - it was years ago i last did it and had the issue. i found all those old disks the other day in a box. ;)  but i tend to backu p to  redundant copies of USB hard drives now a days
[03:32] <IceCas> CrazyZurfer, use FuriusISO
[03:32] <IceCas> or maybe it's Furius ISO Mount
[03:32] <CrazyZurfer> IceCas: That's to mount it or extract it or execute it? :)
[03:33] <dr_willis> CrazyZurfer:  so its some pirated video game? you DONT execute disk image files
[03:33] <IceCas> It will mount it and then you can extract it
[03:33] <Rallias> Is there a way to reduce the size of a btrfs partition while it's mounted?
[03:33] <dr_willis> there are ways to mount disk image files
[03:33] <CrazyZurfer> dr_willis: i Know you don't execute them, but we don't know what it is... and is a veeery old video game and I want to run it with wine :)
[03:34] <purplerain> Will Ubuntu work out-of-the-box on Ideapad S400?
[03:34] <dr_willis> CrazyZurfer:  if its part of a cue/bin  image file. you might need to convert it.. or try  the fuseiso or isofuse tool to mount it
[03:34] <dr_willis> !info fuseiso
[03:34] <dr_willis> !info isofuse
[03:35] <kunji> Tex_Nick: Hey, got back earlier than I thought, distro is Ubuntu 12.10, I don't see any unusual processes, shall I pastebin the results of ps ax so you can see what processes are running?  The only things besides normal bootup should be mediatomb, firefox, pidgin, the system monitor itself, and transmission.
[03:35] <sylphie> dr_willis; I think you can a iso9660 mount with loopback
[03:35] <dr_willis> sylphie:  the file command dident recoginize it as an iso9660 however.
[03:36] <dr_willis> unless file may be confused. ;)
[03:36] <dr_willis> !iso
[03:36] <jonalexjm> existe chat en español
[03:36] <sylphie> dr_willis; probably started the disk with an audio track, they were tricky that way.
[03:36] <dr_willis> he could just use the cli and try it.
[03:36] <ErdMutter> When I run ubuntu on my macbook pro my battery life seems to be 50% of what I get in os x. Would there be any way to make battery life under ubuntu to last longer on the macbook pro 9,2
[03:36] <ErdMutter> ?
[03:37] <sylphie> or just go ahead and burn it
[03:38] <Tecan> awe it was ma dam clock applet
[03:38] <Tecan> nm
[03:39] <Tex_Nick> kunji : hey do you see something like plugin-container there
[03:40] <kunji> Tex_Nick: Yeah, that should be flash, most of the time shouldn't it?  It should be because I have some Firefox pages open that use flash.
[03:41] <dr_willis> flash is evil ;_
[03:41] <tekkbuzz> Does anyone know how to stream pulse audio from one system to another?
[03:41] <Tex_Nick> kunji : yeah , it's hogged my resourses so bad at times that i've just killed it
[03:41] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  i know its doable.. done it befor ages ago.
[03:42] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  i seem to recall having to use pavu* tools to allow each  system to access the other. then pavchooser to move the stream to the other pc
[03:42] <Tex_Nick> kunji : what dr_willis said :)
[03:42] <kunji> dr_willis: I won't disagree, but is there a known flash bug that drive usage of just one core to 100% only when the computer enters an idle state?  Or that flash makes it enter the idle state when it shouldn't be?
[03:42] <kunji> *drives
[03:42] <tekkbuzz> dr_willis, K thanks I play around with that a bit.
[03:43] <CrazyZurfer> IceCas & dr_willis: Thanks!! it worked!! :)
[03:43] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  paprefs to allow it. and pavucontroll. had to set auth off in paprefs  (or so my memoserv note says)
[03:43] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  then used the pulse tools to set the default server
[03:44] <Tex_Nick> kunji : it has happened to me on this box more than once
[03:44] <Kaleidoscope> hello everyone
[03:44] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  you can also use  this to record from a differnt pc ;)
[03:44] <tekkbuzz> dr_willis: thanks for the tips!
[03:44] <Tex_Nick> only one core
[03:44] <kunji> Tex_Nick: I think you missed my original post, my computer idles, as in blanks the screen, despite that I have set this otherwise in the Power management and brightness settings, and when it is idling like that  is the only time the core is spiking like that, it goes right back down if I so much as wiggle the mouse.
[03:44] <tekkbuzz> dr_willis: Cool!
[03:45] <kunji> Tex_Nick: I only even know it was high because of the cpu history graph in the system monitor.
[03:45] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  these are some notes from a LONG time ago.. like 2+ yrs..
[03:45] <KI4RO> Anyone know where the latest version (2.1.3) of gtkpod is?
[03:46] <alles-wird-gut> escott, mv file doesn't help
[03:46] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  but i did have videos playing on Pc #1 hooked to a tv. and had the audio comming out a laptop near my bed.
[03:46] <alles-wird-gut> i can't change the unknown coding :/
[03:46] <tekkbuzz> dr_willis: kinda what I was looking for.
[03:46] <kunji> Tex_Nick: So, here's what I'm going to do, I'm going to kill flash, then let it sit a few minutes and see if this is still occuring, I'll report back soon.
[03:47] <Tex_Nick> kunji : it's a start
[03:47] <alles-wird-gut> pdf or rar files are in charset=binary (file -bi tells it)
[03:47] <limpc> └(21:45:09)-(firewall@firewall) $ php -v
[03:47] <limpc> PHP 5.4.11 (cli) (built: Jan 17 2013 15:49:05)
[03:47] <limpc> w00t i have php 5.4.11 yay
[03:48] <alles-wird-gut> i want to convert it to utf8, only the namo of file, not the content.
[03:48] <alles-wird-gut> but damn, it won't work with recode iconv ...
[03:50] <heroclitis> Anyone familiar with wireshark?
[03:51] <purplerain> Will Ubuntu work out-of-the-box on Ideapad S400?
[03:51] <tekkbuzz> dr_willis: do you remember how the sync was?  were they noticeably any different? If you could hear them both playing.
[03:51] <Gyro54> Hi!
[03:52] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  the audio only  cam eout of  the one destination sink.
[03:53] <tekkbuzz> dr_willis: ahh, okay, I wonder if two machines could play at the same time, and be in sync.
[03:53] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  never really noticec
[03:53] <dr_willis> noticed
[03:53] <Gyro54> Is there any limitations with using a wireless keyboard which requires HID compatibility?
[03:53] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  with  the anime i watch and subtitles..  it dosent matter much
[03:54] <dr_willis> Gyro54:  ive never seen a wireless keyboard that dident work.
[03:54] <Gyro54> dr_willis: I need to buy a media keyboard from IOgear but there is no listing on any site for this.
[03:55] <Gyro54> dr_willis: Neither have I
[03:55] <tekkbuzz> Gyro54: I got one mine works fine.
[03:55] <dr_willis> Gyro54:  what sor tof listing/site you  mean?
[03:55] <dr_willis> about evvery keyboard these days are media keyboards
[03:56] <dr_willis> Logitech keyboards have that universial dongle that lets it use  one dongle for mouse and keyboard.. actually it can work with several mice/keyboards for the  same dongle..
[03:57] <Gyro54> dr_willis: linuxhcl.com, linuxhardware etc..
[03:57] <dr_willis> main issue with them - is logitech  dosent have a paring tool for linux
[03:57] <dr_willis> Gyro54:  most likelybecause keybaords are very standard.. so no one bothers to  make a list
[03:58] <tekkbuzz> Gyro54: I got IOGear model: GKM561R and it works!
[03:58] <dr_willis> i must havve 30 differnt  keyboards from over the years..  and never had one not work..  some Special keys may be issues with some old ones..
[03:58] <dr_willis> but none in the past 5 years have ever been an issue
[03:58] <Gyro54> tekkbuzz: Thanks I am sure it will work.
[03:59] <dr_willis> id be amazed if it dident work
[03:59] <tekkbuzz> me too.
[03:59] <Sgt_Shultz> logitech mice seem to have a problem as well, changed to generic cheapie mouse, from a logitech, my mice problems disappeared
[03:59] <dr_willis> never had an issue with  any of my logitech mice. but ive  been using a razer lately
[04:00] <dr_willis> kids kept walking off with my wireless mice.
[04:00] <Sgt_Shultz> always cable 4 me
[04:00] <dr_willis> or put them near the wrong pc... that would  cause confusion... why aint this  mouse working... oh,,..its  for the  other pc.
[04:00] <dr_willis> My Samsung TV can take a mouse and keyboard. ;)
[04:01] <dr_willis> so wireless is handy
[04:01] <heroclitis> What's a pastebin?
[04:01] <Gyro54> I need to buy it for a friend and it is quite expensive But I am sure it will be OK
[04:01] <dr_willis> !pastebin
[04:01] <Gyro54> Thanks everyone for your help
[04:01] <dr_willis> Gyro54:  expensive? You can get good keybords in the $30 range
[04:01] <MrNarc> Hello, is this the place for ubutu noobs questions?
[04:02] <Gyro54> dr_willis: This is a special lap unit with a trackball builtin.
[04:02] <kunji> Hmm, well that's interesting, killing flash seems to do the trick.  But starting flash again does not seem to reinvoke the symptoms.  I guess I'll want to watch and make note of when this issue reoccurs.  This was not the first time, it has been coming and going for a little bit now, which is why I was asking about it.
[04:02] <tripelb> Must I have internet to install Ubuntu? I only had a copy of 11.04 and it balked at no connection. :(
[04:02] <kunji> tripelb: You don't need a connection, it's merely preferred.
[04:02] <Tex_Nick> Gyro54 : if you just need a source for io gear kb's ... http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=io+gear+keyboard&x=0&y=0
[04:03] <Gyro54> Tex_Nick: Thanks will have a look
[04:03] <dr_willis> im not sure whats so special about the Iogear brand. ;)
[04:03] <Tex_Nick> Gyro54 : np hope you find something there
[04:04] <tekkbuzz> dr_willis: I got a MonCaso case with buttons to control the media on the front of it, some buttons work and some do not, would you know how to setup the ones that don't?  It's a usb interface call iMON PAD Remote Controller?
[04:04] <MrNarc> Need help on DNS. dig hostname.domain fails with NXDOMAIN, dig hostname.domain @dnsserver success. My /etc/resolve.conf sole entry is dnserver (its IP of course). Where should I look for errors?
[04:04] <tripelb> Waves to kun I. Still looking to connect with the "Ubuntu for the Nexus7" folks. Cannot find any. Not here. Not other rooms. Not on reddit. ??
[04:05] <Tex_Nick> dr_willis : same here ... seem to sell good though over the years
[04:05] <tripelb> !ask | mrnark
[04:05] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  often for weird hardware - i find the archlinux wiki pages may have some clues as to  what to try.
[04:05] <tekkbuzz> dr_willis: Okay thanks.
[04:06] <Gyro54> dr_willis: Nothing too special it was just to keep a friend happy with her new computer. I would hate for half the keys to not work.
[04:06] <tripelb> Kunji, 11.04 would not go further. I cam
[04:06] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  hit the buttons. check 'dmesg' output - it may show some info also
[04:07] <tekkbuzz> It's a media case with a 7" touch screen on the front, but it's meant for windows drivers, Thanks I'll do that.
[04:07] <Gyro54> dr_willis: It is her first use of Ubuntu and her husband wanted her to use windoze 8
[04:07] <dr_willis> if he  wants to be the tech support... id say let him.. ;)
[04:07] <TheKing> Anyone here ever have the installation just idle endlessly?
[04:08] <dr_willis> Great thing about windows 8 - i dont use it.. so people cant come to me at work  asking for support help.
[04:08] <Gyro54> Thanks again for your help.
[04:09] <tekkbuzz> I used to build windoze computers, but I gave up for the reasons dr_willis mentioned.
[04:09] <tripelb>  So kunji you were saying that the 11.04 should install anyway? OK next, can I split up the weindoiws partition? I did a defrag sand OTG looks liker there is ASN immovable file far along in the partition.
[04:09] <Gyro54> The King: I have had it happen at the very end of the install but all went fine.
[04:09] <tripelb> S/ASN/an/
[04:11] <Gyro54> The problem with converting friends to Ubuntu is that you create a full time unpaid job for yourself
[04:11] <TheKing> Gyro54: It's the very beginning for me.
[04:11] <TheKing> might try 12.04 instead of 12.10
[04:11] <Sgt_Shultz> win8 pays a tribute 2 commodore64 geos, a mice enviro, where you click on coloured boxes 2 get a your files, nice, funny or coincidence ? it was the last c64 os
[04:12] <tripelb> OK downloading 12.04.. If I have time. If I break I will have to restart, I think. Any more comments to me should be pm or will not see them. Back in an hour
[04:12]  * tripelb is on nexus 7
[04:13] <Gyro54> TheKing: I would try again before you go back. Has it done it more than once?
[04:13] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : r u running ubuntu on that neat tablet ?
[04:15] <TheKing> Gyro54: I'm running from the disk. Wifi is on. I started with updates and 3rd party. That froze for 30 min. I tried no 3rd party. froze. No updates. froze. no wifi. got 1 step in and froze.
[04:15] <RollinV2> don't try to update ubuntu during the install
[04:16] <RollinV2> install, then update
[04:16] <Gyro54> The King:
[04:16] <Gyro54> TheKing: What did you have on the computer before this?
[04:16] <TheKing> Zorin
[04:17] <Gyro54> TheKing: Ubuntu should work then
[04:18] <Tex_Nick> kunji : i left for a bit ... just came back and saw you posting ... scrolled up ... looks like you might have isolated the problem to flash ?
[04:20] <noiro> is there a java channel which is good on this or another server?
[04:22] <Gyro54> TheKing: There is other install options if you hit F4 I think. Maybe some of the experts here will confirm
[04:22] <kunji> Tex_Nick: Probably, but I can't tell 100% for certain, as I haven't had the issue reoccur on starting flash again, so I haven't been able to see it killing flash always fixes it.
[04:23] <kunji> *if not it
[04:23] <Tex_Nick> noiro : http://irc.netsplit.de/chat/java.php
[04:23] <TheKing> Gyro54: It's an old Inspiron. I think I may need to use Lubuntu.
[04:25] <Tex_Nick> kunji : i'm running an amd apu 3 core ... that has happened to me on more than one occasion ... one core goes to 100% usage
[04:25] <kunji> tripelb: Yeah, without the network connection, it will install anyway, I believe it just asks to confirm that you want to install it without having the connection and then moves on.  It won't be able to install update during the installation that way though, so you should install updates first thing once it is connected.
[04:26] <Tex_Nick> kunji : killing flash cures it
[04:27] <kunji> Tex_Nick: The 100% usage isn't what's worrying me, that I've seen, but that the screens go blank, like if your power settings were set to blank the screen after 1 minute of inactivity, only my setting are set quite explicitly so they should always stay on.
[04:28] <Gyro54> TheKing: I know other wont agree but I would go Xubuntu. It works fine on that type of machine.
[04:28] <Tex_Nick> kunji : strange that only one core goes wild, cause it has seemed that load balancing on this apu has been rather symetrical for normal operation
[04:28] <kunji> Tex_Nick: And I only see that usage when the screens are off like that, I would liken it to a malware that is trying to hide it's compute from you by doing when your screens are supposedly off.
[04:29] <kunji> Yeah, I mean, I don't have one core spike like that if I say, play a 1080p flash video.
[04:30] <Hilikus> is there any way to create UDF dvds in brasero? the documentation sucks
[04:30] <Tex_Nick> kunji : yeah your experience is a bit different than mine ... no screen blank here ???
[04:31] <ballsack> notbad
[04:31] <TheKing> Gyro54: Thanks. I have a friend who was kind of iffy about xubuntu. So that helps a lot
[04:31] <kunji> Tex_Nick: Right, I mean, sure I've had plenty of problems with flash running up cpu, but I didn't think it would be flash for this because of the conditions the spike occurs under, and that those conditions shouldn't be happening to begin with.
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[04:34] <Gyro54> TheKing: I use it my slow machines and have not had any problem with it. Some report it is not as fast as Lubuntu which may be the case.
[04:34] <kunji> All Setting -> Brightness and Lock: The Turn screen off when inactive for: setting is set to Never, and All Settings -> Power: The Suspend when inactive for setting is set to Don't suspend.  Is there anything I might be missing with regard to that?  It was turning of the screen after roughly one minute and one core would go to 100%, killing flash stopped that from happening, I'm a bit puzzled.  So, I'll let you guys know what happens with t
[04:35] <TheKing> Gyro54: I think the speed comes with a sacrifice in some functionality
[04:35] <TheKing> I would prefer xubuntu over lubuntu if it works
[04:36] <Gyro54> TheKing: The compaint was that the latest XFCE was not as good as the previous version but I think it has more bells and whistles.
[04:36] <Tex_Nick> kunji : i download a lot of youTube videos though ( flv ) they play fine with VLC off the hdd ... tis only flash content thru firefox that causes the problem here
[04:37] <TheKing> I haven't used linux enough lately to notice if the new version is worse/better
[04:39] <Gyro54> TheKing: Good luck with it.
[04:39] <kunji> Tex_Nick: That's just the thing though, when the computer is active, say, when I'm watching a flash video, there are no problems with it on this machine, a single core is not spiking, it's not turning off the screen while the video is rolling, it's acting just as it would if I had that setting for turning off the screen on one minute (with the exception that the core spikes at that time, but who knows, maybe that is normal when the screen i
[04:39] <TheKing> Thanks
[04:40] <Tex_Nick> kunji : it's a very intermittent problem for me though ... happens rarely ... if it were a regular problen i would probably run a packet sniffer to check activity when it happens
[04:40] <kunji> Tex_Nick: Yeah, if you wanted to avoid using flash, you use youtube-dl to get them down to your HD, and more places are using HTML5 video these days.
[04:40] <martindholmes> Hi all. I'm having problems with rsync, caused by using the 3.0.7 client against a server running 3.0.8. I'm on Lucid and not ready to upgrade, so I'd like to build rsync 3.0.8 or 3.0.9 on Lucid. Does anyone have any experience with this?
[04:41] <kunji> Tex_Nick: The problem you have sounds different from this one though, I have had the problem that you do on other machines, for instance, my other desktop right next to me has precisely those symptoms and I just kill flash when it happens.
[04:43] <Tex_Nick> kunji : i'm inclined to agree ... only similarity might be the evil flash as Dr_willis has pointed out in the past :)
[04:44] <sk8trix> sup, to new the sever
[04:44] <kunji> Tex_Nick: Hmm, yep, though it could be coincidence, or maybe even the IRC client makes the comp think it's not idle and it will reoccur as soon as I close pidgin, well, time will tell.
[04:45] <sk8trix> 27/m/Or
[04:46] <sk8trix> <--- 27/m/OR [04:47] <Tex_Nick> kunji : hey if you get a handle on it ... and see me here ... i would really like to know what you found
[04:47] <kunji> Tex_Nick: No problem, I'm frequently back here for one thing or another.
[04:48] <kunji> For instance I also appear to be suffering from this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1072518  on a different machine, but if there was a solution yet it would probably have been fixed (as it is a confirmed bug).
[04:52] <Sgt_Shultz> is it flash or java, java is the colinder ...depends on who requests i think, killed my video issues, by using videodownloader  addon in firefox, & watching after download
[04:52] <Tex_Nick> lol ... i swear ... ubottu can't be a bot ... he/she is sentient !!! :-)
[04:52] <SierraAR> Is there a way to make the grub boot menu always appear, even if ubuntu is the only installed os?
[04:53] <kunji> SierraAR: Yes, there is, the documentation should be pretty easy to find with a google search, let me know if you can't find it and I'll dig it out.
[04:56] <SierraAR> kunji: Most of the results were 'How do I remove the menu in a dual boot' which weren't helping me much, but I just found an article xD
[04:56] <SierraAR> Thanks
[04:56] <kunji> SierraAR: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Setup#Configuring_GRUB_2
[04:56] <SierraAR> Ah that's even better, thanks again
[04:57] <kunji> SierraAR: No problem, just ask if you get stuck.
[04:57] <Modernmyth> is there a way to see if a package is being used by another package? for some reason I have libmysqlclient18:i386 installed instead of the amd64.
[04:57] <Modernmyth> want to make sure I dont break anything.
[04:59] <kunji> Modernmyth: Hmm, if it is being used, or if it is actually listed as a dependency by another package?  The later can be done using dpkg I believe, though my memory fails me on what the command would be, maybe read the dpkg manual?
[05:01] <SierraAR> Do believe I'd got it. Will have to check on my next reboot
[05:02] <kunji> Modernmyth: A package could make use of another, but not actually need it, or some such, due to manual configuration (like maybe some php code on a server needs to use curl, but curl is not actually needed by the php packages).
[05:04] <xob> difference between ubuntu and lubuntu?
[05:05] <xob> confusing wht should i install on my netbook ubuntu or lubuntu?
[05:05] <orb> hallo.
[05:05] <logidot> xob: lubuntu is lighter than ubuntu
[05:05] <kunji> xob: The desktop manager, Ubuntu uses Unity, Lubuntu uses LXDE, also note Xubuntu uses XFCE.
[05:05] <mysteriousdarren> xob: plus its awesome!
[05:05] <kunji> xob: and Kubuntu uses KDE
[05:06] <xob> what XFSE stands for
[05:06] <logidot>  xob in my netbook with intel atom n270 1.6 ghz i use lubuntu and it does the job pretty good
[05:06] <xob> mysteriousdarren: what is awesome ub or lu
[05:06] <kunji> xob: http://www.xfce.org/
[05:07] <Sgt_Shultz> xfse = nice, using xubuntu
[05:07] <xob> logidot: does this support hd movies?
[05:07] <logidot>    xob xfce is a desktop environment like kde,mate etc
[05:07] <kunji> xob: But come to think of it, I'm not sure what the letter actually stand for, maybe the wikipedia page will say.
[05:07] <kunji> *letters
[05:07] <xob> kunji: i will check it thanx
[05:08] <tekkbuzz> Modernmyth: apt-cache depends pkg...    -- depends shows a listing of each dependency a package has and all the possible other packages that can fulfill that dependency.
[05:08] <mysteriousdarren> xob: lubuntu
[05:09] <xob> mysteriousdarren: thanx
[05:09] <argiopeweb> I need to restart an upstart job from a script running as a non-privileged user. What's the best way to do that?
[05:09] <mysteriousdarren> xob: I have one like logidot, after removing extra it runs pretty quick. Plus extra ram and  a ssd doesn't hurt
[05:09] <mysteriousdarren> *extra programs
[05:10] <xob> mysteriousdarren: wht about ubuntu if i remove extras from ubuntu wht u think it works good then?
[05:11] <mysteriousdarren> xob: on what hardware? I am all for speed, if you have the hardware i run vanilla ubuntu
[05:11] <mysteriousdarren> with a couple things changed
[05:11] <OnVar> xob: I used plain ubuntu and it worked fine for me. (I have the same computer stats as logidot)
[05:11] <majnoon> !ot
[05:11] <KI4RO> Anyone know where the latest version (2.1.3) of gtkpod is?
[05:11] <logidot>  OnVar how much ram?
[05:12] <xob> mysteriousdarren:  i have intel atom with 2gb ram and 320gb hd
[05:12] <mysteriousdarren> mahnoon: who was that for?
[05:12] <OnVar> logidot: 1GB
 try: apt-cache depends libmysqlclient18
[05:12] <mysteriousdarren> xob: should work fine
[05:12] <logidot> OnVar: it's the acer aspire d250?
[05:12] <OnVar> logidot: (I ended up changing to Gnome and then Xmonad, though)
[05:12] <kunji> xob: Oh, you were asking about HD movies, that depends mostly on what hardware you're running Ubuntu on, not as much on which desktop manager, but if your hardware strains playing HD, then you would be best off with Lubuntu in my opinion.
[05:13] <mysteriousdarren> xob: I agree with kunji
[05:13] <xob> currently i am using ubuntu 12.10 and it play well .mkv formats
[05:13] <mysteriousdarren> xob: using what?
[05:13] <mysteriousdarren> vlc?
[05:13] <OnVar> logidot: No. It's a gateway.
[05:14] <xob> mysteriousdarren: mplayer
[05:14] <kunji> xob: It will do HD fine from the hard drive, it will probably struggle to do 1080p flash video though, 720 should be pretty smooth, I have a laptop with pretty similar specs.
[05:14] <logidot> OnVar: and you have intel atom n270 1.6 ghz?and you run ubuntu ?what version?
[05:14] <Modernmyth> tekkbuzz: Thanks ... Looks like it's pointing me in the right direction. Going to figrure out what I installed that wanted the mysql pkg
[05:14] <xob> kunji: which version ur using
[05:14] <mysteriousdarren> xob: I sometimes hook up my 32 inch lcd and watch hd movies on mine with lubuntu works great. I've had trouble with ubuntu doing that
[05:15] <kunji> xob: I'm actually using 12.04 standard Ubuntu.
[05:16] <xob> maybe i have to give lubuntu a try
[05:16] <tekkbuzz> Modernmyth: MySql is used sometimes by multible programs, it's just a powerfull database.
[05:16] <OnVar> logidot: It's 12.04. But I don't do well with fancy graphics anyways. I changed it to Xmonad eventually.
[05:16] <orb> what did you want to do with it, xob?
[05:17] <kunji> xob: Well that's how it started, but I run several desktop manager on it as appropriate, Unity, Unity-2d, gnome-panel (i.e., the Gnome 2 look), the Awesome WIndow Manager, I try a lot of different things.
[05:17] <kunji> *managers
[05:17] <xob> well i am using gnome-panel i hate unity
[05:17] <orb> compiz was good stuff.
[05:17] <kunji> xob: Sure, try out Lubuntu first, if it's not working out for you, then you can alway try something else.
[05:17] <Sgt_Shultz> xbuntu drives a 42" led Monitor/tv here, no probs
[05:18] <sk8trix> is there any driver for logitech c615 webcam for linux?
[05:18] <Tex_Nick> xob : i've seen here that xbmc handles hd video pretty well on 12.xx ... however it's hardware specific ... i'm running 12.12 with an average speed box and VLC plays 1280p like a charm
[05:18] <Modernmyth> tekkbuzz: I use it all the time .. just wondering what I installed that had a i386 dep
[05:18] <majnoon> <--has *buntu
[05:18] <kunji> orb: You can do compiz with Unity, but there are a fair number of inconsistencies you need to kind of hammer out/work around.
[05:18] <orb> sk8trix, is that some kind of nonstandard camera?
[05:18] <Sgt_Shultz> acer aspire dualcore 5733z
[05:18] <Tex_Nick> running 12.10
[05:19] <orb> yeah, i think i noticed that a while back, kunji
[05:19] <xob> Tex_Nick: i am running 12.10 but vlc does not play .mkv properly but mplayer does
[05:19] <dr_willis> hmm. mkv play here.
[05:20] <sylv> OMG am I actually in touch with humans?
[05:20] <kunji> Well, for media servers... if you've got 35$ USD, the Rasperry Pi works pretty awesome for XBMC, through omxplayer (designed to make good use of the graphics chip on the pi)
[05:20] <dr_willis> 1000+ people here
[05:20] <kunji> xob: Hmm, vlc plays mkvs for me
[05:20] <Tex_Nick> xob : yeah mkv's play here on VLC fine
[05:20] <cub> grr
[05:20] <Sgt_Shultz> vlc plays everything ..
[05:20] <dr_willis> ciuld be more of a codec issue
[05:20] <bk> I am having trouble being able to edit settings for the touchpad on my laptop, I have a Compaq Presario CQ62 running Lubuntu 12.10. Right now when I type and accidentally hit the touchpad it acts as if its a tap, or it scrolls when both palms hit it at the same time. In the settings there is something for KB/M but nothing that pertains to the touchpad. I
[05:20] <bk> installed gpointing-device-settings but it does not save when I change things. Any help is appreciated.
[05:21] <xob> dr_willis: yea i thinnk so
[05:21] <xob> may be its a codec prob
[05:21] <orb> holy crap, didn't notice how many people are in this channel. Closer to 2k than 1k, dr_willis
[05:21] <sylv> I could really do with some help please.  I don't understand all this technical stuff.  I have been trying to use Ubuntu and spent hours trying to access stuff
[05:21] <dr_willis> seen 3000 in  here on release day
[05:22] <kunji> dr_willis: though even then, there's not many codecs vlc will balk at, MSS2 and Apple Intermediate Codec?  Nothing else comes to mind.    Believe me I have tried with it
[05:23] <xob> sylv: ask proper quest u get proper ans
[05:23] <sylv> I giv eup
[05:23] <xob> sylv: take some videos tutorial from utube
[05:23] <surskitty> I have a TP6920 microphone and while it worked when I plugged it in yesterday on xubuntu 12.04, it now brings up a 'CD' that's the autorun drivers.  How do I get it to just be a microphone again?
[05:23] <kunji> sylv: Be patient, please describe the issue in some detail, what you're trying to do, what part isn't working.   I guess he probably spent about that same amount of time on whatever manual he was referring to as well then...
[05:25] <surskitty> Nevermind; fixed it.
[05:25] <orb> So, anyone know how to get networking working on a Macbook Pro, Ubuntu?
[05:25] <orb> Natively I mean.
[05:26] <dr_willis> sylv: ask an actual question. about whats confusing
[05:26] <orb> she/he left, dr_willis
[05:26] <kunji> orb: umm, you mean the ethernet isn't working?  Or you mean the wireless?  In the first case I really thought it would be working out of the box, in the second case no idea.
[05:26] <Sail> gettting error while installing,updating http://dpaste.com/hold/881562/
[05:27] <Tex_Nick> xob : thing about codec's though ... VLC has internal support for most codec's ... including mkv
[05:27] <orb> Ethernet cable is connected to the "thunderbolt" adapter.
[05:27] <orb> ifconfig -a shows nothing more than lo
[05:27] <Ben64> Tex_Nick: mkv isn't a codec
[05:27] <Sail> i have two different connection of internet first one is working fine but second one gimme the error
[05:27] <orb> so I'm sol.
[05:27] <orb> i'll have to get a driver on there via the usb stick route I think.
[05:28] <Ben64> orb: theres no ethernet on a macbook?
[05:28] <orb> actually, no, i think i'll give up on that too. :>
[05:28] <Tex_Nick> Ben64 : i stand corrected ...  mkv is a container
[05:28] <Tex_Nick> ... sorry ;-)
[05:28] <orb> not on mine.
[05:28] <kunji> orb: oh.. thunderbolt, yeah, sorry, I don't know.
[05:28] <cub> okay i instaled ubuntu 12.04
[05:28] <cub> the friggin scrollbar is invisible
[05:28] <kunji> Tex_Nick: Yes indeed a very good container that the PS3 quite obnoxiously does not support.
[05:28] <cub> well it's there but all fancy
[05:29] <cub> how do i get a more normal looking gnome environment
[05:29] <cub> this looks like a cellphone gui
[05:29] <dr_willis> define normal. ;)
[05:29] <cub> l;ike
[05:29] <cub> old school windows 95 / gnome / kde
[05:29] <cub> a simple launcher/panel
[05:29] <kunji> cub: Like gnome 2?  You could install gnome-panel I think, could you confirm that dr_willis?
[05:29] <dr_willis> lubuntu has a nice old skool look.
[05:29] <dr_willis> !nounity
[05:29] <orb> i thought gnome looked pretty decent.
[05:30] <Tex_Nick> lol kunji ;)
[05:30] <dr_willis> gnome2 had issues.. and its basicaly dead now
[05:31] <dr_willis> the fallback mode was scheduled for removeal  - but i think its being kept for a while longer now
[05:31] <cub> its just a pain to find what programs im running
[05:31] <cub> normally they would be listed in the panel
[05:31] <cub> instead i have a dock bar or w/e they call it and have to figure out where it is :\
[05:31] <dr_willis> Hmm.. they all  are at the left side panel when i run stuff
[05:32] <cub> funny that before i installed, it said my graphics chip woudlnt be supported... well it worked still but im unhappy lol
[05:32] <sk8trix> webcam software for logitech for lenoic
[05:32] <cub> yeah but i have to right click to see multiple instances of one program
[05:32] <cub> like for example im running 3 or 4 chrome windows, and i have to right click and select from a preview of each.. seems unnecesary and slow
[05:32] <dr_willis> i just alt-tab around
[05:33] <kunji> dr_willis: I miss the stability, but I came in near the end of Gnome 2's life, not sure if it was always that way.  Unity is pretty stable on my desltops, but on my other machines there is always some part or another of it crashing, most recently the calendar...
[05:33] <tekkbuzz> cub: Try KDE  aka kubuntu
[05:33] <dr_willis> i  dont recall needing to right click in unity..
[05:33] <dr_willis> but ive been using gnome-shell lately
[05:34] <cub> well nvm not right click
[05:34] <cub> but it still takes me to that preview thing
[05:35] <kunji> I think the part that annoys me the most is that clicking the launcher's again does not have any minimize functionality, but I guess I'm not sure how that should work, since they stack windows from the same program.
[05:35] <dr_willis> the whole idea of minimizeing apps is sort of getting phased out.
[05:35] <dr_willis> I tend to just fullscreen everything
[05:35] <dr_willis> and then select /jump between them
[05:36] <Inside> question: I'm trying to figure out how to connect to a server that's running in ubunbtu which is running inside of virtual box... I can't seem to figure out how to tell if I configured the 'bridged networking' setting correctly or not <_<
[05:36] <kunji> I tend not to, because I like to see lots of smaller programs at once
[05:36] <dr_willis> Inside:  check its ip address. see if the ubuntu box can ping that ip address
[05:36] <orb> Inside, one of those will give it a real IP.
[05:37] <orb> I don't recall which.
[05:37] <Inside> hm
[05:37] <dr_willis> they should be able to ping each other..  if so. they are networked  ;)
[05:37] <dr_willis> if not.. they are NOTworked. ;)
[05:37] <Inside> hrm
[05:37] <orb> Just look at the IP - is it a natted IP not matching your normal network?
[05:37] <cub> is there any way to hide the dock thing to the left
[05:38] <Inside> okay, the server in ubuntu inside of virtual box says that its ip is <IP_ADDRESS>.. and I can't ping that from the windows host that i'm on right now
[05:38] <cub> or to get the bar on top with the time to appear on the bottom
[05:38] <Inside> erm, not the server, ubuntu itself
[05:38] <dr_willis> theres an auto hide setting for the launcher
[05:38] <dr_willis> Youc an run other docks for the bottom if you  wanted
[05:38] <dr_willis> !dock
[05:39] <kunji> For instance, I want to have pidgin, system monitor, and say transmission all visible and I have the buddy list for pidgin underneath the irc chat.  So it would make sense for me to just minimize the irc chat as the fastest way to see the buddy list.  alt-tabbing is slow because I need to go through probably an average of 8 or so items and I need to pause on Pidgin and wait for it to expand the windows for pidgin (in Unity that is, if I bus
[05:40] <Sgt_Shultz> format the mac, use ubuntu....
[05:40] <Ginger26> Will Ubuntu Phone have an IRC support channel ?
[05:40] <dr_willis> Ginger26:  i imagine so..
[05:40] <dr_willis> if it ever becomes a reality
[05:41] <kunji> dr_willis: yeah, I do like cairo-dock, I install from scratch kind of often though, and configuring that every time is a bit obnoxious
[05:41] <orb> mac osx. :D
[05:41] <Ginger26> oh thats great thanks
[05:41] <dr_willis> some of these docks are... overzelous in their feature sets. ;)
[05:41] <kunji> Ginger26: It might just go in this one, not really sure.
[05:42] <kunji> Hmm, I probably wouldn't want them if they didn't have the features, but, at least for cairo-dock, it could use a bit more stability.
[05:43] <OnVar> I have a problem. My mouse hasn't been working lately. I've tried "modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=imps" but that only causes it to work for about three seconds and then it goes kaput again.
[05:43] <OnVar> I suspect that it could be a hardware problem, but I have no way of checking.
[05:44] <OnVar> (I have a touchpad, not a mouse. Sorry.)
[05:46] <tekkbuzz> Speaking of docks; I always hated the way Unity separates the top of the window from the app.
[05:46] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  thats the global menu feature.. not a dock  feature. ;)
[05:47] <tekkbuzz> dr_willis: whatever it's called it's why I left Unity behind.
[05:47] <dr_willis> and its fairly easy to disable
[05:47] <kunji> dr_willis: that's not a feature :P
[05:47] <dr_willis> and can even be disabled on a per-app basis
[05:48] <kunji> Yeah, remember to do that extra bit for disabling it for firefox as well
[05:48] <dr_willis> i belive the global menu also  integerates with the HUD feature
[05:48] <dr_willis> which is one off the most overlooked and coolest features of unity
[05:49] <Sgt_Shultz> mac have docks, because they would make a good boat anchor if you filled them with cement ?
[05:49] <dr_willis> windowmaker hs a Warf
[05:49] <dr_willis> has a warf
[05:49] <kunji> windowmaker?  never heard of it
[05:49] <OnVar> (I'll try to do some debugging, then. And then I'll come back and ask my question again.)
[05:50] <dr_willis> !info windowmaker
[05:50] <tekkbuzz> can u elaborate on integerates with the HUD?
[05:50] <dr_willis> hmm. wonder what the  package name is now a days
[05:50] <dr_willis> !find wmaker
[05:50] <dr_willis> !info wmaker
[05:50] <dr_willis> wmaker has some really neat features. but its a bit on the old skool side of things. ;)
[05:51] <dr_willis> a great many other window managers support the windowmaker 'warf' docklets. which are mini appps that run in the dock
[05:52] <tekkbuzz> I used to like the wmaker on my Fedora box, but haven't used it in a while.
[05:52] <kunji> dr_willis: Hmm, the look reminds me Haiku
[05:52] <dr_willis> not like BeOS/Haiku at all. ;)
[05:53] <dr_willis> more like NextStep - but no one rembers that one either.. heh..
[05:53] <tekkbuzz> I do.. heh.
[05:53] <dr_willis> wmaker was supposed to have some support libs/features to make  cross platform apps with os-x easier also  i recall.. but i dont code. so i dont recall the details
[05:53] <kunji> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wmaker-0.80.2.png  well, the right click menu like that is what was looking similar.
[05:54] <dr_willis> beos had some really really neat features.. ;)
[05:54] <bsmith093> how do i recursively grep for any line that has http:// in it, and return those lines to a file?
[05:54] <dr_willis> but the gui wasent really much of them. but Unity is gaining some similer features
[05:55] <kunji> dr_willis: That's what I've heard, I've messed with the Haiku alpha's some, I'll probably look into it more if they finish it.
[05:55] <Tex_Nick> dr_willis ... Jobs is remembered by a few of us ;p-)
[05:55] <Sgt_Shultz> those who pay the bills ?
[05:56] <dr_willis> grep has a recursive opion? -R  perhaps...    grep -R pattern directory > hits.txt
[05:56] <dr_willis> kunji:  i doubt if haiku ever gets finished. ;)
[05:56] <kunji> One can hope
[05:58] <orb> you can do grep */dir
[05:58] <bsmith093> dr_willis: I cat-ed all the files i needed to search into nice large chunks of text, now i just want to find and save to a file, every single line that has http:// in it, this is a rare thing for these files, and i can always sort the results later
[05:58] <dr_willis> so you  dont really need recursive searching of dirs...
[05:59] <dr_willis> grep pattern file  > output.txt
[05:59] <dr_willis> or am i backwards.. ;)
[05:59] <tekkbuzz> bsmith093: cat file* | grep -r http:// > file
[05:59] <orb> are you wanting to have http start a new line?
[06:00] <orb> or trigger the start of a new line so the output will have http all along the left side?
[06:00] <bsmith093> orb yes, to the new line, each on its own line
[06:00] <dr_willis> each hit will be on its own line...
[06:01] <cub> how do i get the time panel on the bottom of the screen on unity
[06:01] <dr_willis> wont it. ;) it echos  the line it found.
[06:01] <Sgt_Shultz> maybe a doing a "find", then "piping" to a "grep"
[06:01] <orb> i believe you'll want to replace http with \nhttp
[06:01] <orb> using a sed command.
[06:01] <dr_willis> cub short answer - you  dont.  if you want a dock down there. you can use differnt docks for a panel
[06:01] <bsmith093> grep http:// * >> links this command works brilliantly , but one more thing, how do i get grep to not print the filenames?
[06:02] <dr_willis> grep it again :) heh .. thats overkill
[06:02] <dr_willis> grep has an option for that i  belive
[06:02] <bsmith093> actually not a huge deal, but thanks
[06:02] <orb> so pipe your output from the grepping through this: sed 's/http/\nhttp/g'
[06:03] <bsmith093> one thing though, will grep complain if i use it recursively and there are spaces in the filename
[06:03] <dr_willis> spaces in filenames are often a bother.
[06:03] <dr_willis> this is one would use find, or xargs often
[06:03] <shortstraw8> This might be a forum question but does anyone use aptitude for installing pkgs? if so is it really that much better?
[06:03] <cub> damn
[06:03] <cub> ok thanks dr_jesus
[06:03] <cub> oops
[06:03] <dr_willis> shortstraw8:  its best to avoid aptitude
[06:03] <cub> dr_willis,
[06:03] <FloodBot1> cub: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:03] <cub> you've been very helpful
[06:03] <TheLordOfTime> shortstraw8, aptitude doesn't work with multiarch avoid it
[06:03] <TheLordOfTime> shortstraw8, avoid aptitude and use apt-get.
[06:04] <TheLordOfTime> and related fucntions
[06:05] <shortstraw8> TheLordOfTime,  dr_willis  tahnk you! Just happened to stumble on it in searching.
[06:06] <dr_willis> aptitide has some neat features.. but unfortunatly itgs not surviveing the  changes made in the rest of the os very well
[06:06] <tekkbuzz> cub: you make like: Mint w/ Cinnamon
[06:07] <dr_willis> if you want an old skool type desktop - lubuntu works well
[06:07] <shortstraw8> TheLordOfTime,  dr_willis   Sorry again what about mutt?
[06:07] <tekkbuzz> cub: that's Ubuntu Mint.
[06:07] <dr_willis> shortstraw8:  the  email client? do you  need a console based email client?
[06:08] <dr_willis> Mint is not ubuntu. ;)
[06:08] <tekkbuzz> No?
[06:08] <dr_willis> its not supported here.. and neither is cinnamon
[06:08] <dr_willis> mint has its own shpport channale
[06:09] <tekkbuzz> it's a derivative built on Ubuntu.
[06:09] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  that means its not ubuntu.
[06:09] <the_dark_knight> Hi, which is the best python api doc generator? Couldn't join the #python channel. please help
[06:09] <dr_willis> the_dark_knight:  you may need to regiester your  nick to join many  channels.
[06:09] <dr_willis> !register
[06:10] <cub> ok
[06:10] <kunji> Just as Ubuntu is built on Debian, somehow I don't think the Debian folks get bothered by very many Ubuntu support questions.
[06:10] <Tex_Nick> cub : unity just doesn't support placing the clock at the bottem of the screen ... you might look at cairo-dock desktop enviornment ... it might give you a clock down there
[06:10] <cub> amazingly im able to run a nice looking gui on here .... cant run win7 or 8 but can run this heh
[06:10] <cub> cairo-dock.. ok
[06:10] <dr_willis> I imagine #debian  refers all ubuntu questions here. ;)
[06:11] <kunji> cub: or cairo-clock, I missed the beginning of that conversation though
[06:11] <cub> ok]
[06:11] <tekkbuzz> dr_willis: http://www.linuxmint.com/about.php , based on "Based on Debian and Ubuntu"
[06:12] <kunji> dr_willis: I'm sure they do, I just don't think they get very many of them, they're probably all asking here already
[06:12] <dr_willis> tekkbuzz:  yes.  its based on.. tht does not make it 'ubuntu'
[06:12] <TheLordOfTime> tekkbuzz, mint is not a supported derivative of ubuntu.  It may be based on ubuntu but its not Ubuntu.  Just like Ubuntu is based off of Debian, but is not Debian.
[06:12] <dr_willis> Puppylinux has a very radical   disrto that uses ubuntu repos... its not supported here either. ;)
[06:12] <TheLordOfTime> yep
[06:13] <kunji> tekkbuzz: After all, this isn't "Debian Ubuntu"
[06:13] <dr_willis> neither is the 1000+ other ubuntu variants
[06:13] <dr_willis> Lubuntu,kubuntu,xubuntu,ubuntu, and i think 1 or 2 ithers are consuiderd official
[06:14] <kunji> If you can't get it from ubuntu.com I'm pretty sure support doesn't come from here.
[06:14] <tekkbuzz> I Never said it was supported here, I was merely making a sugestion for someone having a problem learning and Mint is easy and the apps all install to it just fine.
[06:14] <dr_willis> You called it 'ubuntu mint' and  thats incorrect.
[06:15] <tekkbuzz> It's based on Ubuntu and that is correct.
[06:15] <dr_willis> the name is not 'ubuntu mint'
[06:16] <tekkbuzz> it's Linux Mint
[06:16] <tekkbuzz> based on Ubuntu based on linux.
[06:16] <dr_willis> and linux was based on minix
[06:16] <karmakosmikk> Hello, how to install tar.gz? I am trying to run dwarf fortress
[06:16] <tekkbuzz> and minux based on unix
[06:16] <dr_willis> karmakosmikk:  normally you extract the files and look at the extrated files
[06:17] <dr_willis> there shold be a readme, and perhaps some executables to run
[06:17] <kunji> tekkbuzz: That's another can of worms, that's a different meaning of based on, Linux is actually part of Ubuntu, now you're talking the foundation meaning of base instead of the derivative work sort of meaning.
[06:18] <kunji> tekkbuzz: Also, don't you mean minix?  The Tannenbaum one, or is this something else I haven't heard of.
[06:18] <dr_willis> karmakosmikk:  that a humble bundle game?
[06:18] <tekkbuzz> I was only trying to help cub, get a hold on Linux. Want me to say sorry, im sorry for saying Mint.
[06:18] <karmakosmikk> no, it is free
[06:18] <karmakosmikk> in their netsite
[06:19] <dr_willis> karmakosmikk:  normal method if its precompiled. extract files to a directory, cd to the dir.. run the game
[06:19] <kunji> tekkbuzz: Nah, an apology isn't necessary, we know you were trying to help, it's just that what you were saying wasn't really correct so we wanted to make sure it was ironed out, all clear.
[06:20] <diverdude> Hello, I have a directory with around 800.000 images. Whenever i do eog /path/to/image/in/imagedir.png it takes a long time to open. Could that be due to the large amount of images in the directory?
[06:20] <dr_willis> diverdude:  could be its generting some previews or somthing
[06:20] <kunji> diverdude: Possible, but more likely, how big is the png?
[06:21] <diverdude> kunji, 2.3MB
[06:21] <kunji> diverdude: If  you move one to a different directory, does it take just as long to open?
[06:21] <diverdude> kunji, ah good idea
[06:22] <diverdude> kunji, no its way faster
[06:22] <diverdude> in different dir
[06:22] <kunji> diverdude: Well, then I guess it does have something to do with it, I guess I just thought finding the file would have been faster.
[06:24] <diverdude> my images are named "image[somenumber].png", like: "image1292939.png".  Is there an easy way to copy all images image[somenumber].png to image[somelargernumber].png to a dir?
[06:25] <dr_willis> diverdude:  theres numerout bulk rename tools -    i often use qmv, for a cli tool. but its a bit overkill for that
[06:25] <dr_willis> !info rename-utils
[06:25] <dr_willis> !info renameutils
[06:25] <diverdude> dr_willis, hmm i dont want to rename anything. I just want to copy a set of files to another directory
[06:26] <dr_willis> diverdude:   you wanted to change the name form what i saw
[06:26] <diverdude> dr_willis, no i want to copy X images to another directory
[06:27] <dr_willis> image9somenumber0.png to image(somebiggerniumber).  you mean amove RANGE  of files
[06:27] <diverdude> dr_willis, copy all images in the range image[somenumber].png to image[somelargernumber].png to another directory
[06:27] <dr_willis> ;)
[06:27] <dr_willis> bash supports regular exporessions for that
[06:27] <diverdude> yes
[06:28] <dr_willis> test regular expressions with echo first.. and if you do to  many at a time. you can fill up the bash command buffer.
[06:28] <dr_willis> how large a range?
[06:28] <dr_willis> it may be better to use a loop.
[06:29] <diverdude> dr_willis, hmm not so many. maybe 10-20 is ok
[06:29] <cub> one more q
[06:29] <dr_willis> id just cheat and use mc. and move them over ;)
[06:29] <cub> is there any way to get some scrollbars to always show, instead of me having to hoover my mouse over where the scroll thingy is
[06:29] <cub> for the actual scale t show
[06:30] <dr_willis> cub heres a setting to have the scrollbars always show.. but i cant recall its name
[06:30] <cub> ok so there is a setting
[06:30] <cub> let me check for it
[06:30] <dr_willis> the omgubuntu or webupd8 site have a lot of tweaking guides
[06:30] <cub> ty dr_willis
[06:31] <dr_willis> im so used to scrollbars now - i dont even notice them gone
[06:31] <bsmith093> dr_willis: does grep alter files, or just search through them?
[06:31] <dr_willis> grep does not alter files..
[06:31] <bsmith093> k thanks
[06:31] <dr_willis> I recall a  'gres' script/command  that could do grep and replacements in files... but havent seen that in ages
[06:31] <tekkbuzz> cub: there's alot of extra packages out there to tweak unity because some people think it's awkward.
[06:32] <dr_willis> sed/awk are normally used to alter files
[06:32] <cub> no kidding
[06:32] <cub> i cant find the screen saver setting either
[06:33] <dr_willis> cub gnome basically has gotten rid of screen savers. ;) it just blanks..
[06:33] <dr_willis> the settings tool has a serch box i belive
[06:33] <tripelb> i heard there is an ubuntu without unity called mint. if so i wpuld like it. but cam o.use rwg
[06:33] <cub> thats pretty messed up gee
[06:33] <cub> what were the developers thinking!
[06:33] <dr_willis> cub what? theres not really been much in the screensaver area for ages....
[06:34] <dr_willis> if you want fancy screensavers check out the xscreensavers package
[06:34] <cub> ok
[06:34] <cub> pretty soon they are going to remove terminal too...
[06:34] <dr_willis> gnome hasent really had any actual 'settings' tool to do more then just select a screen saver for years
[06:34] <cub> not to go off topic, and im not a fan of linux in particular but honestly, no offense to anyone, it seems they are making this more and more like windows or mac...
[06:34] <tripelb> i heard there is an ubuntu without unity called mint. if so i would like it. but can I use normal ubuntu with gnome 2 ??r
[06:35] <kunji> tripelb: that's not an Ubuntu, we talked about that just recently
[06:35] <Tex_Nick> diverdude : for bash specefic help you might try #bash
[06:35] <dr_willis> cub they are trying to make it where the common people can use it? wow. ;)
[06:35] <cub> like for basic computer users ... colorful , bright, full of graphics, but annoying for us old schoolers
[06:35] <cub> dr_willis, seems like it
[06:35] <dr_willis> the old skool stuff is still there
[06:35] <kunji> tripelb: But Lubuntu, Xubuntu, and Kubuntu are not using Unity as far as I know
[06:35] <cub> i could use kde, but kde is slow
[06:35] <dr_willis> You could use Lubuntu if you want old skool
[06:35] <cub> well guess i'll google how to enable the scroll button
[06:35] <kunji> LXDE is not slow
[06:36] <kunji> Nor is XFCE
[06:36] <karmakosmikk> how much actually is the speed difference between xubu and lubu?
[06:36] <kunji> Or you could just install your own window manager
[06:36] <karmakosmikk> i have 1 gig netbook and now running lubuntu
[06:36] <dr_willis> karmakosmikk:  i saw some benchmarks of the 4 desktops  a year+ ago.. its often more about resources used then 'speed' wiich is a little hard to measure
[06:37] <karmakosmikk> ah ok
[06:37] <dr_willis> lubuntu definatyyly used the least resources
[06:37] <kunji> karmakosmikk: I'm sure you can find some metrics if you google a bit, LXDE I think is lightest on the RAM use
[06:37] <karmakosmikk> yes it is totally light
[06:37] <tripelb> kunji i am sorry i was not here for that conversation. can you sum it.. mint not Ubuntu ...
[06:37] <dr_willis> xfce and gnome-2 were close to the same. with xfce being a little lower
[06:38] <dr_willis> ive not seen any benchmarks for 12.+ releases
[06:38] <karmakosmikk> i fell love in crunchbang but it does not seem to recognize my mobile network
[06:38] <kunji> tripelb: Mint is derived from Ubuntu in the way that Ubuntu is derived from Debian, it is different in many ways and is not done by the same people.
[06:38] <tripelb> i met ubuntu 6
[06:38] <Tex_Nick> cub : guess it's a matter of perspective ... i've been thinking for the past year that windoze is getting more like ubuntu ;-)
[06:38] <dr_willis> you can install openbox on ubuntu and havce the basics of crunchbang ;)
[06:38] <cub> is the scroll thign called "overlays"?
[06:39] <dr_willis> cub sounds right.
[06:39] <cub> okay well i changed it i think
[06:39] <karmakosmikk> does openbox install mess anyway system? can i for example install openbox in lubuntu for my netbook
[06:39] <cub> i guess i need to restart xchat to find out for sure
[06:39] <mechelle69> i have a HUGE problem...I am not a programmer and should never have bought a computer with Ubuntu preloaded
[06:39] <dr_willis> karmakosmikk:  lxde/lubuntu uses openbox. :)
[06:39] <mechelle69> can someone help me with a grub> prompt
[06:39] <karmakosmikk> ahaa :D
[06:40] <karmakosmikk> ok, well crunch just have modified it
[06:40] <Tex_Nick> !ask | mechelle69
[06:40] <karmakosmikk> seems that unetbootin does not work well with all linux iso's?
[06:41] <tripelb> i met ubuntu 6.1 and the desktop was transparent to me. it was all good except for synaptric ?? the program asser. i never ever mase ir work.  i am.an apt-get girl. .. oh yeah and gimp. :*
[06:43] <tripelb> :* the face of an unpleasant taste.
[06:43] <mechelle69> i just got a dell vostro with ubuntu and couldn't remember my password so I tried to reset it and ended up in a screen similar to a dos screen and set system, admin, and hdd passwords then I got something about a minimal bash line editing and a grub>
[06:44] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : so, do you have a specific ubuntu related support question ?
[06:44] <mechelle69> how do i get my os back up and running?  i can't get out of this screen
[06:44] <tripelb> so if mint is not ubuntu i will find out how to go For gnome... or learn unity
[06:45] <dr_willis> mechelle69: you have data on it you want to keep?
[06:45] <mechelle69> no i just got the computer yesterday
[06:45] <dr_willis> gnome shell is installable on ubuntu
[06:46] <dr_willis> mechelle69:  if it came with some disks you could reinstall the os.
[06:46] <tripelb> Tex_Nick: i aaws ud mint was thw aame aa ubuntu and i was tild i.missed the.conversation about that. So i.am trying to find out what i missed .. and +2
[06:47] <dr_willis> mechelle69:  and check out the fixgrub wiki page
[06:47] <dr_willis> !fixgrub
[06:47] <mechelle69> i am so lost.  i should have just stuck with windows.  i thought it would be cool to try something new...and no disks to reinstall with...also my husband burned one and still can't get passed this
[06:48] <dr_willis> you may gave burnt it wrong or its not set to boot the cd
[06:49] <mechelle69> it is GNU GRUB version 1.99-21ubuntu3.1
[06:49] <tripelb> and (2) this 11.04 diak stopped.because it was not online. and.. can i split up.the.windows partition
[06:49] <subdesign> oh yeah with 3.5.0-22 no internet (no lan, no wifi) :-/
[06:49] <dr_willis> mechelle69: dells website may have a cd image you can download also
[06:50] <mechelle69> okay...i will try there and let you know
[06:50] <bipul> Have any one used Emulation in ubuntu (Network Simulation with Emulation in ubuntu).
[06:50] <dr_willis> im not going to ask how you frogot your password in 1 day.... :-)
[06:51] <serp__> i do it all the time
[06:51] <dr_willis> cheap of dell to not unclude a cd
[06:51] <serp__> if i remember it for one day though it will stick
[06:52] <tripelb> Tex_Nick:sorry tiny phone keypad. sid you understand the 3 questions, especially about -- > can i split the windows partition and not lose windows
[06:52] <serp__> unclude? they certainly did unclude the cd!
[06:53] <tripelb> Dell will send disks
[06:54] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : what exactly are you trying to do ... linux distro ? dual boot ? etc ...
[06:55] <tripelb> Tex_Nick: yep. just got someone's old computer with Windows XP. I want to add ubuntu as a dual boot. Right.
[06:56] <bsmith093> is it possible to only grep the first 50 lines or so? the matches im looking for, will be header-like parts of text files
[06:56] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : ok, old computer ... what size is the hard drive
[06:57] <wald0> what is the name of the ubuntu live installer ?
[06:58] <dr_willis> wald0:  you mean the insggaller that installs the OS to the hard drive? or the iso to a usb?
[06:59] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : you need to make sure the hard drive has enough free space to install another os :)
[06:59] <dr_willis> bsmith093:  use head to  send only the first 50 lines to grep
[06:59] <bsmith093> dr_willis: can head be recursive and does it whine about files with spaces in the name?
[07:00] <FlowRiser> hey all, i'm having a bit of a problem on my netbook running Ubuntu12.04; If i try to get sources through sudo apt-get source foo; i get "You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list"
[07:00] <tripelb> Tex_Nick: right now i have 11.04 the drive is 60G and has a 40 and 20 appx partitions. i think the second is for backup.
[07:01] <wald0> dr_willis: the os to the hard drive
[07:02] <NielsMkn> hello
[07:03] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : when you say you now have 11.04 ... does that mean that the pc already has win xp & ubuntu installed ?
[07:03] <tripelb> Tex_Nick: i was thinking if ubuntu can read.write a win.type partition
[07:04] <FlowRiser> tripelb, of course it can ... it can format in fat32 or ntfs
[07:04] <wald0> what is the name of the ubuntu live installer ? (iso to hard-disk)
[07:04] <NielsMkn> I wanted to use my android tablet's wifi connection to access interent on my pc. Any idea how to do this?
[07:04] <FlowRiser> wald0, wubi installer
[07:04] <wald0> FlowRiser: this is for windows
[07:04] <wald0> i mean the one is run in live mode
[07:04] <lolmaus> I've got Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Minimal. I would like my server to be able to send emails to me (e. g. when RAID fails). I don't need any other email functionality. What is the simpliest way to configure that?
[07:05] <FlowRiser> wald0, all cds from ubuntu run in live mode
[07:05] <wald0> FlowRiser: the name of the installer
[07:05] <tripelb> no Tex_Nick i have a computer w xp 40g and backup partition 20g. appx size. -- the newest livecd i have is 11.04 but maybe thats ik
[07:05] <FlowRiser> wald0, download ubuntu 12.04 LTS iso, burn it; boot in live mode
[07:05] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : that can be done ... but we need to knowe your exact build now ... unless you just want to clean install windows & ubuntu
[07:05] <tripelb> ok
[07:06] <cub> how do i select all in terminal
[07:06] <wald0> FlowRiser: i want to know the NAME of the INSTALLER
[07:06] <tripelb> is that "my exact  b???uild" -- new term ti me
[07:06] <cub> for example "ctrl+a"
[07:07] <fuzzyking> I just installed pinguy 11.04 and am unable to download updates. When i use the update manager i get E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[07:07] <fuzzyking> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.paissad.net_dists_unstable_main_binary-amd64_Packages
[07:07] <fuzzyking> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[07:07] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : do you have the pc turned on now
[07:07] <FlowRiser> wald0, it doesn't have a name, cause it's not an installer
[07:08] <tripelb> no but what do you qant to know ill be thwrw in a jif. actuallt it us on
[07:08] <tripelb> is on Tex_Nick
[07:08] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : if so how much free space do you have on the C drive
[07:09] <wald0> i can't believe that...
[07:09] <wald0> guys, is so hard to tell me the NAME of the INSTALLER of ubuntu that  is launched in LIVE MODE ???
[07:10] <tripelb> Tex_Nick: free space 40% oe 60 in the larger partition and i say all of the smaller can be freed.
[07:10]  * wald0 feels frustrated
[07:10] <FlowRiser> wald0, you are being difficult; i already told you there isn't one that i know of. Get the iso from the ubuntu website, burn it, boot into live mode.
[07:10] <wald0> LOL wtf ? are you guys joking me ?
[07:11] <wald0> nobody has never installed ubuntu in the hard disk ?
[07:11] <FlowRiser> wald0, please refrain yourself, and get your terms straight.
[07:11] <FlowRiser> wald0, live mode means running directly from a usb or cd/dvdrom
[07:12] <mechelle69> dr. willis: well, i can find no cd or download on the dell site and i looked up the !fixgrub...which, of course, makes no sense to me at all.  when i try to enter anything it says "unkown command"
[07:12] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : will you want to add more windows applications in the future ?
[07:12] <dr_willis> wald0:  ubiquity is the insaller the live ce usews to install the os
[07:13] <dr_willis> !fixgrub | mechelle69
[07:13] <dr_willis> mechelle69:  !stuff are bot commands in the channel
[07:13] <wald0> dr_willis: ooh, finally! thank you !
[07:14] <wald0> FlowRiser: see, was not so hard !
[07:14] <dr_willis> mechelle69:  you are at the grub  shell. ive no idea how you managed to reset the system and break it that way
[07:14] <wald0> crap
[07:14] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : it's kinda a small harddrive for dual boot ... can be done though ... some considerations need to be made though
[07:14] <dr_willis> mechelle69:  you should be able to use any ubuntu cd and reinstgtall the os if all else fails
[07:14] <wald0> i can't believe that people confuses "live" with "install" and with "windows"
[07:14] <dr_willis> wald0:  theres anotehr tool that  does a live install onto a usb...
[07:14] <dr_willis> so  it was a little vague
[07:15] <tripelb> Tex_Nick: at the computer. windows part. is 35/52 free. Backup part. 18.2/18.3G free
[07:15] <mechelle69> it will take the command "ls" and I get (memdisk" (hd0) (hd0,msdos5) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos2) (hd0,msdos1) (hd1)
[07:16] <jirido> icons ubuntu or lubuntu use are they gtk icons?
[07:16] <dr_willis> wald0:  if you mean the tool that installs ubuntu INSIDE windows into a  full session on the windows Hard drive.. that would be  'wubi'
[07:16] <dr_willis> mechelle69:  you are at teh GRUB shell. not the actual OS
[07:16] <tripelb> tex ok am listening. I'll  be glad to have it. or...
[07:16] <dr_willis> mechelle69:  you need to boot  a live cd and try to repair the system
[07:17] <dr_willis> mechelle69:  there is a 'boot-repair' live cd that has the tools built in. or any ubuntu cd should also let you do the repair
[07:17] <tripelb> Tex_Nick: i have a sata drive with 10.04 here but this computer is too old for sata
[07:18] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : you could install ubuntu 12.04 on the backup partition without having to mess with the windows partition
[07:19] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : what are the specs of that pc ... make & model ?
[07:20] <mechelle69> my husband had burned the disk...it won
[07:20] <mechelle69> t wont' do anything
[07:20] <dr_willis> mechelle69:  and its very likely he did it wrong.
[07:20] <mechelle69> still at the same screan
[07:20] <dr_willis> mechelle69:  look on the disk.. what files are on it
[07:20] <dr_willis> if you see a single whatever.iso file.. he did it wrong
[07:20] <mechelle69> i have to move it to this computer to do that...brb
[07:21] <Tex_Nick> we would want to make it's not a dinosaur ;-)
[07:21] <tripelb> Tex_Nick: will 11.04 worl with no internet connection? ditto for 12.04
[07:22] <tripelb> Tex_Nick: will 11.04 work too? with no internet connection? ditto for 12.04
[07:22] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : an internet connection would be the BEST option ... because when you install ... it would download necessary drivers
[07:23] <Tex_Nick> tripelb : can you connect it to the intwernet
[07:23] <Tex_Nick> \internet*