[04:31] <kkathman> Im trying to change colors on something....it says color=0,0,0   Im assuming thats rgb
[04:32] <kkathman> but, I changed it to 255,255,255 and the python prog bombs, so Im obviously wrong
[04:32] <membreya> 255,255,255 is right for RGB
[04:32] <kkathman> so if  0,0,0 is black,  I bet 16, 16, 16 is white?
[04:32] <membreya> 255,255,255 = white
[04:33] <kkathman> yeah right, but I put in 255,255,255 and the program bombs
[04:33] <kkathman> maybe 15, 15, 15 ?? errh
[04:33] <membreya> go to #python and bitch at em
[04:33] <membreya> NO ...255,255,255 is historically white in RGB
[04:34] <Aircobra> if it starts with 0 it ends with 15
[04:34] <kkathman> yep I'd think that too
[04:34] <kkathman> its a karama theme
[04:34] <jude> can konversation connect to more than one server at once?
[04:34] <kkathman> the monitor Im using has black text...and I want it white
[04:35] <membreya> kkathman: I run superkaramba, my theme uses 255,255,255 as it's colour and it's white
[04:35] <kkathman> membreya: do you use that ubermon1.0 ?
[04:35] <membreya> ewwww no
[04:35] <kkathman> membreya: which mon do you use?
[04:35] <membreya> kkathman: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=18936
[04:36] <kkathman> thanks, :)
[04:36] <malte> will there be packages for latest kdevelop for kubuntu at some point?
[04:36] <kkathman> membreya: well its based on ubermon :)
[04:37] <kkathman> I'll try that
[04:37] <membreya> ubermon is ugly though :P
[04:37] <kkathman> hey membreya do you know how to get the sensors working on a system...I know you have to tie them in somehow...got a reference on that?
[04:38] <membreya> erm, how do you mean "how to get them working" lol
[04:38] <kkathman> membreya: well, right now, I dont get anything on temperature or fan stuff
[04:38] <membreya> kkathman: go to your konsole and type cd /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/
[04:39] <membreya> then look at the filesi n there
[04:39] <kkathman> okie dokie..thank you :)
[04:41] <jude> can konversation connect to more than one server at once?
[04:41] <Riddell> jude: yes
[04:41] <Tm_T> why not
[04:42] <Aircobra> see you everyone
[04:43] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:44] <Tm_T> Tm_Konversation: o/
[04:44] <Tm_Konversation> ok, this stinks
[04:44] <malte> xchat rocks
[04:45] <malte> sadly i don't think there are any good kde irc clients at all :/
[04:45] <Tm_Konversation> irssi <3
[04:45] <membreya> konversation :D
[04:46] <Tm_Konversation> just testing
[04:46] <Tm_Konversation> plah, I hate this
[04:47] <kkathman> damn they need to fix kaffeine!!!
[04:47] <Tm_Konversation> ok, this sucks
[04:48] <Tm_T> eh, and quit messaged don't work
[04:48] <psn> Tm_T: ofcourse it doesn't
[04:49] <Tm_T> ofcourse?
[04:49] <psn> Tm_T: 1) you wasn't online long enough 2) you had clones
[04:49] <Tm_T> hm
[04:49] <Tm_T> clones?
[04:49] <Tm_T> nope
[04:50] <psn> Tm_T: yes yourself as Tm_T
[04:50] <Tm_T> but not linked
[04:50] <psn> Tm_T: doesn't matter on freenode afaik
[04:50] <Tm_T> eh, so it just guess Tm_* are clones?
[04:50] <Tm_T> ehh
[04:51] <psn> Tm_T: no your host would be telling
[04:51] <Tm_T> ok, no quitmessage 'cause freenode, I see
[04:51] <Tm_T> psn: nope, different host
[04:51] <psn> Tm_T: ok then too short time online then, needs 10mins or so iirc
[04:52] <Tm_T> ok, that's freenode specialities then
[04:52] <psn> Tm_T: btw what sucked?
[04:53] <Tm_T> ok, I hate namelist, couldn't find button to remove it
[04:53] <psn> Tm_T: it's awfully hard to fix such statements ;)
[04:54] <Tm_T> ok, I dislike graphical clients, and Konversation is typical gui client
[04:54] <psn> Tm_T: ah that I can't fix
[04:54] <Tm_T> nope
[04:55] <Tm_T> but I don't need to like it, so it's allright
[04:56] <psn> Tm_T: well I try to fix bugs if there are any else I don't really care what people like or not :)
[04:56] <Tm_T> =)
[04:56] <Tm_T> psn: is there any way to remove namelist?
[04:56] <psn> Tm_T: you could minimize it with the splitter
[04:57] <Tm_T> but it's still there
[04:57] <psn> Tm_T: I'll add an option to remove it completely
[04:57] <Tm_T> uh, nice
[04:57] <psn> Tm_T: well you don't see it.. so why care?
[04:57] <Tm_T> I care
[04:57] <Tm_T> just a way of rhinking
[04:59] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I need to optimize my desktop, uses way too much RAM atm
[04:59] <psn> Tm_T: you do realize linux use all ram available
[05:00] <Tm_T> psn: yes, as cache and such
[05:00] <St0n3-C0l> psn: Yes, only if you use KDE ;)
[05:00] <psn> St0n3-C0l: no always
[05:00] <Tm_T> but I mean restricted/app memory use
[05:00] <St0n3-C0l> GNOME uses not that much memory
[05:00] <Tm_T> St0n3-C0l: actually more
[05:00] <Tm_T> =)
[05:01] <St0n3-C0l> Tm_T: I disagree :)
[05:01] <Tm_T> St0n3-C0l: it depends your configuration
[05:02] <psn> Tm_T: you don't get the correct numbers from top and such
[05:02] <Tm_T> psn: I don't watch it from top
[05:02] <St0n3-C0l> GNOME uses around 150-170mb whereas KDE uses 210-230mb
[05:02] <Tm_T> St0n3-C0l: nope
[05:02] <Tm_T> St0n3-C0l: my KDE uses ~110
[05:02] <St0n3-C0l> I used both in 1week
[05:02] <St0n3-C0l> LoL maybe you tweaked it ...
[05:02] <KaiL> what do you count? RAM or Disk?
[05:02] <Tm_T> KaiL: RAM
[05:03] <KaiL> then forget these Numbers, just forget them
[05:03] <Tm_T> St0n3-C0l: ofcourse, default is never the best possible
[05:03] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:03] <Tm_T> =)
[05:03] <KaiL> it's IDIOTIC to count a RAM usage for a desktop that way
[05:03] <St0n3-C0l> Tm_T: LOL but I am not a tweaker eh...
[05:03] <Tm_T> =)
[05:03] <Tm_T> KaiL: why?
[05:04] <KaiL> you can at most compare the RAM-usage as long as no app is running
[05:04] <St0n3-C0l> KaiL: hah
[05:04] <St0n3-C0l> Windows heats your system more than Linux :P
[05:04] <KaiL> and then both numbers are way to high
[05:04] <Tm_T> hm
[05:04] <KaiL> here: naked X 50MB, xfce 63MB, KDE 72MB
[05:05] <Tm_T> yes
[05:05] <Tm_T> but KDE runs ok even in 64 RAM :p
[05:05] <KaiL> not really, if your swap-device is slow
[05:06] <Tm_T> yes, that's right
[05:06] <KaiL> and it IS slow, if you have such an old computer :)
[05:07] <Tm_T> heh
[05:07] <Tm_T> p300/64ram and Knoppix was quite usable
[05:08] <KaiL> it also depends on the screen resolution as I can see
[05:09] <Tm_T> yes
[05:18] <Tm_T> KaiL: it's all about vpenis ;p
[05:18] <Tm_T> that's why there is always comparing
[05:19] <Tm_T> actually there is a script available what check your hardware and tells your vpenis :p
[05:19] <Tm_T> it's a good joke =)
[05:19] <Tm_T> wanna try it?
[05:22] <KaiL> with a K6-2/500, 256MiB RAM and a Matrox G550? :)
[05:22] <StR> hi every1!!
[05:23] <Tm_T> KaiL: yes, for fun
[05:23] <KaiL> ok, or there's a bonus for totally outdated hardware *fg*
[05:23] <StR> I have a question:  What is that "Journal" thing in the kontact?
[05:23] <Tm_T> I'll check if I can find that script
[05:24] <Tm_T> wget -qO- linuxfi.org/vpenis.sh|sh
[05:25] <Tm_T> ok, I got only a 1/6 of what our main server did
[05:25] <Tm_T> :/
[05:26] <KaiL> 18.7 isn't that much, I guess
[05:26] <Tm_T> nope
[05:26] <Tm_T> 61.5cm
[05:26] <Tm_T> and even that's not much
[05:27] <KaiL> bah, no bc on 3dots.de..
[05:27] <Tm_T> I have AMD XP 2800+ (2088MHz) with 1GB ram and nv5700(256MB) and so on
[05:28] <Tm_T> so you can guess what kinda machines got over 200cm :p
[05:28] <KaiL> 80days, 2x 2.4GHz, 1GiB RAM...
[05:29] <Tm_T> hm, my other desktopbox got something 160
[05:29] <Tm_T> eh
[05:29] <Tm_T> I meant 40
[05:30] <Tm_T> maybe I need more coffee, can't even read right line =)
[05:30] <KaiL> cpuclock/4, ram/3
[05:30] <KaiL> uptime-days/10?
[05:30] <Tm_T> heh
[05:30] <Tm_T> I don't even have a day uptime =)
[05:31] <KaiL> 1d 6h
[05:31] <Tm_T> 10h
[05:32] <Tm_T> "you're a guru, over 6h uptime!!11 LOOOLLLL"
[05:32] <Tm_T> ;p
[05:32] <Tm_T> don't care
[05:32] <StR> Any1 knows what that "Journal" in  kontact is for?
[05:33] <jude> [jude@bigbrain jude] $ uptime
[05:33] <jude>  16:33:04  up 148 days,  1:19
[05:33] <jude> StR: not a clue
[05:34] <jude> bigbrain is my server upstairs
[05:34] <KaiL> StR: hmm
[05:35] <membreya> StR: journal is exactly what it says
[05:35] <membreya> like a diary..to keep notes to yourself
[05:51] <StR> how do I set konsole so I see colors when I do "ls"
[05:55] <membreya> what type of colours StR ?
[05:55] <StR> how do I setup an encoding for konsole, so I don't have to set it up everytime I run konsole?
[05:55] <membreya> mine displays colours between different types
[05:55] <StR> membreya: done that.. sorry...
[05:56] <StR> now I need to set the default enconding for konsole
[05:56] <Tm_T> eh
[05:57] <imPULSIV> hallo gr euch
[05:57] <imPULSIV> bin neu hier
[05:57] <imPULSIV> now english
[05:58] <Tm_T> ok, so you're new in here
[05:58] <Tm_T> can you speak english?
[05:58] <Tm_T> or at least write it?
[05:58] <imPULSIV> si
[05:58] <imPULSIV> :)
[05:58] <Tm_T> 'cause I have no idea what language was that
[05:58] <malte> guten tag
[05:59] <Tm_T> =)
[05:59] <imPULSIV> German
[05:59] <imPULSIV> dach auch
[05:59] <Tm_T> so I thought
[05:59] <imPULSIV> right you were
[05:59] <malte> ich spreche ein bisschen deutsch
[05:59] <Tm_T> bisse = beer ;p
[05:59] <imPULSIV> great but where are you from then malte
[05:59] <membreya> ich bin ein arsche lecken Sie
[05:59] <malte> imPULSIV, i'm from sweden :)
[06:00] <Tm_T> malte: oh, sverige !
[06:00] <imPULSIV> sehr geil membreya#
[06:00] <membreya> wassat imPULSIV ?:P
[06:00] <Tm_T> malte: hello from east :)
[06:00] <imPULSIV> so the question for today (but maybe not the last is....
[06:00] <malte> Tm_T :) i don't speak finnish though :\
[06:01] <imPULSIV> how do i get the icons for personal folder and so on to show on my desk?
[06:01] <membreya> malte: let me put it in your native tongue...mumma mia..here we go again..my my ..
[06:01] <Tm_T> malte: and I speak swedish only a little bit =)
[06:01] <malte> membreya, go abba :)
[06:01] <membreya> :D
[06:01] <imPULSIV> lovley membreya
[06:01] <malte> Tm_T, cool :) i know "yxi kaxi kolme" though
[06:01] <Tm_T> malte: even after 6 years of studying it :p
[06:02] <membreya> it just reinforces the view of swedes being tall blonde n sexy :P
[06:02] <malte> :o
[06:02] <Tm_T> malte: it's yksi :p
[06:02] <Tm_T> malte: you know perkele then?
[06:02] <malte> Tm_T, sry :) yeah, perkele i've heard before
[06:02] <Tm_T> haha
[06:02] <trougnouf> gn?
[06:02] <kay> hi :)
[06:03] <Tm_T> malte: so what's the weather in there? still have some snow?
[06:03] <imPULSIV> i want the iconsfor personal folder and trash to show up on my desktop instead of startpanel
[06:03] <imPULSIV> how does that work
[06:03] <imPULSIV> kiss keep it short and simple
[06:03] <malte> Tm_T, it's mostly gone now, we've actually been having rather nice spring weather the last couple of weeks :)
[06:04] <malte> Tm_T, how 'bout you/
[06:04] <malte> ?*
[06:04] <imPULSIV> arent you using ubuntu with kde here?
[06:04] <Tm_T> same here, but mostly snow still in here east, southern Finland is greener
[06:05] <imPULSIV> wtf y is everybody simply ignoring mykindly asked questions?
[06:05] <malte> Tm_T, where do you live? i'm from stockholm
[06:05] <Fhigo> how...
[06:06] <imPULSIV> does that work?
[06:06] <imPULSIV> already asked like that but it doesnt seem towork here
[06:06] <Tm_T> malte: I'm from Joensuu
[06:06] <imPULSIV> plz anyone here help
[06:06] <Tm_T> imPULSIV: hmm, what was your question again?
[06:07] <Fhigo> HELP PLZ .. i downloaded kubuntu and i tried to install but everytime same error @ install he can't find a spezific package.. i don't know if its a problem with my cd-bruner.. or i dont know because i tried a few cds
[06:07] <imPULSIV> how i got the trash to show on desktop
[06:07] <malte> Tm_T, mkay :) don't know where that is i'm afraid
[06:07] <Tm_T> malte: farther east
[06:07] <imPULSIV> so Tm_T
[06:08] <Tm_T> imPULSIV: just right click on desktop, create new icon ...
[06:08] <malte> Tm_T, ok, cool
[06:08] <Fhigo> same problem was at the ubuntu too
[06:08] <jude> how do I set up kubuntu so I can compile kde apps?
[06:08] <Fhigo> but just @ hoary
[06:09] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:09] <Tm_T> jude: just install all needed devels and libs and compilers
[06:09] <Fhigo> nobody knows my problem? *crys*
[06:09] <jude> Tm_T: and they are?
[06:09] <Fhigo> i want kubuntu
[06:09] <Tm_T> jude: it depends
[06:10] <Tm_T> Fhigo: sounds strange
[06:10] <imPULSIV> so ill be gone for now
[06:10] <malte> jude, take a look at kde-devel
[06:10] <imPULSIV> thanks for helping so far
[06:10] <Tm_T> Fhigo: you sure your image is ok?
[06:10] <Fhigo> it must be ok
[06:10] <Fhigo> but how i told
[06:10] <jude> thanks malte
[06:10] <Fhigo> it was at the usuall ubutu hoary also
[06:10] <Fhigo> too
[06:11] <Fhigo> i burned it on my mac.. with toast.. could this be the problem?
[06:11] <Tm_T> jude: install gcc, g++, c++ and qt related packages too
[06:12] <Tm_T> Fhigo: you burned it from image?
[06:12] <Fhigo> yes
[06:12] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:13] <Tm_T> dunno if it make any difference, but checj if the data protocol is correct
[06:13] <Tm_T> typo :/
[06:13] <jude> apt-get install kde-devel installs 119Mb worth - I'll see what's missing after that :)
[06:13] <Tm_T> =)
[06:13] <Tm_T> not much
[06:13] <Fhigo> fuck off .. everything suckz
[06:13] <Fhigo> hmm
[06:13] <Fhigo> okay thanx for help
[06:13] <Fhigo> later :)
[06:13] <Tm_T> =)
[06:13] <Tm_T> good luck
[06:17] <jude>  "sudo apt-cache search qt-devel" returns nothing - anyone know the package name I need?
[06:18] <StR> apt-cache search dev | grep qt
[06:18] <StR> libqt3-dev
[06:19] <jude> brilliant, thanks StR
[06:20] <jude> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[06:20] <jude>   kde-devel kdebase-dev kdelibs4-dev kdesdk kspy libarts1-dev libkonq4-dev
[06:20] <jude>   libqt3-mt-dev
[06:20] <eckhart> hi
[06:20] <jude> the qt install removed kde-devel!
[06:20] <jude> bummer
[06:20] <Tm_T> ah
[06:21] <eckhart> i have some partitions on an s-ata hard disc drive
[06:21] <Tm_T> so dont install it
[06:21] <jude> too late :)
[06:21] <eckhart> the root partition is ide
[06:21] <Tm_T> jude: err
[06:21] <jude> indeed :)
[06:21] <Tm_T> jude: don't say you installed it?
[06:21] <StR> jude: install them again
[06:21] <jude> indeed I did
[06:21] <Tm_T> haha
[06:21] <eckhart> now on booting, kubuntu does not find the s-ata partitions of the fstab
[06:21] <jude> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[06:21] <jude>   libqt3-dev
[06:21] <Tm_T> jude: so install kde-dev again
[06:21] <Tm_T> yes!
[06:22] <jude> looks like I can't have both for some odd reason
[06:22] <Tm_T> 'cause it seems to be included in kde-dev
[06:22] <Tm_T> so you don't need it as separate package
[06:22] <psn> jude: jude you need libqt3-mt-devel which was already installed
[06:22] <jude> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[06:23] <jude> thats after reinstalling kde-dev
[06:23] <Tm_T> jude: I got same problem, dunno why
[06:23] <Tm_T> jude: you compiling boton?
[06:23] <Tm_T> +are
[06:23] <jude> no, knetmonapplet
[06:24] <jude> first try at a compile on here
[06:24] <membreya> jude: sudo apt-get install qt3-mt-dev libqt3-headers
[06:24] <jude> $ sudo apt-get install qt3-mt-dev libqt3-headers
[06:24] <jude> Reading package lists... Done
[06:24] <jude> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:24] <jude> E: Couldn't find package qt3-mt-dev
[06:25] <membreya> sorry libqt3-mt-dev :P
[06:25] <membreya> it's 2.30 am here :P
[06:25] <jude> hehe
[06:25] <jude> libqt3-mt-dev is already the newest version.
[06:25] <jude> libqt3-headers is already the newest version.
[06:25] <jude> path problems maybe?
[06:26] <membreya> hmmm
[06:28] <membreya> im getting the same errors :|
[06:29] <jude> I was just getting to like kubuntu as well :/
[06:30] <jude> but if I can only have stuff that pre-packaged...
[06:30] <zack> amu: please stop ignoring me and answer my mail. if you need me to resend it, i will.
[06:30] <StR> jude: what are you trying to compile?
[06:30] <jude> knetmonapplet
[06:30] <jude> http://hftom.club.fr/knetmonapplet/index.html
[06:32] <StR> jude: ./configure worked?
[06:33] <jude> no, error: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[06:37] <jude> I get the same error trying to compile a different app
[06:37] <StR> jude: I get the same as you trying to compile that applet...
[06:37] <StR> jude: don't know about other....
[06:38] <jude> I'll have to see about checking the qt install I suppose
[06:38] <jude> but it's time to go cook dinner - I'll see you all later
[06:38] <jude> ta for the help
[06:42] <amu> zack: sorry for it, i didnt found time for it. Well if you're here we can talk also in realtime. That's fine for you?
[06:52] <membreya> come back jude!
[06:55] <StR> membreya: LOL!
[06:55] <StR> membreya: did you find how to fix it?
[06:55] <membreya> yup
[06:56] <StR> membreya: how?
[06:56] <membreya> export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3
[06:59] <malte> does anyone know if kdevelop will be added to kubuntu?
[06:59] <malte> i mean, latest (3.2 iirc)
[07:03] <StR> membreya: I tried... it "worked"  I can compile it, but...
[07:03] <StR> membreya: I tried   ./configure --prefix=$HOME/local   just to try it...
[07:03] <StR> and I don't see anything
[07:37] <AlfonsVH> Hi guys; I've got a problem... For everyone who was here yesterday; I tried to enable DHCP in the Linux box AND in the Win2k box, but when I go to Network Settings on the linux box, it always says that the eth0 device is disabled. When I enable it and go back to control center to check the status, it's disabled again. How does this come?
[07:41] <AlfonsVH> any idea, uniq, since you seem to know something about win2k
[07:44] <alex> how do i install mplayer?
[07:47] <malte> add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" to /etc/apt/sources.list and then sudo apt-get install mplayer
[07:51] <Vorik> AlfonsVH: Try to do ifup eth0'
[07:51] <Vorik> as root
[07:51] <Vorik> then you get an error message
[07:52] <kkathman> does anyone use the cynapses monitor on their desktop?
[07:52] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: what makes you think thats a w2k problem?
[07:52] <AlfonsVH> Vorik, it says "ethernet device already configured"
[07:52] <Vorik> ok, then try first: "ifdown eth0"
[07:53] <Vorik> then "ifup eth0"
[07:53] <AlfonsVH> _ReDrum_, I'm not sure, I just thought
[07:53] <Vorik> beware:
[07:53] <Vorik> you will lose your network connection for a moment
[07:54] <Vorik> question: Your w2k box works well with dhcp?
[07:54] <AlfonsVH> Vorik; to be honest, I don't know; it's configured to have DHCP enabled; haven't tried it
[07:54] <Vorik> do you have a dhcp server fully operational then?
[07:55] <AlfonsVH> haven't got a clue (I'm a newbie in networking AND linux, see); how to test it?
[07:55] <Vorik> well, if you don't know, you probably dont have it...
[07:55] <AlfonsVH> I have configured it, Vorik
[07:55] <AlfonsVH> but I don't know if it works ok
[07:55] <Vorik> oh ok
[07:55] <_ReDRuM_> grep ^IPADDR /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.info
[07:56] <_ReDRuM_> that should tell you...
[07:56] <AlfonsVH> by the way; vorik; the box does not receive a DHCP responce
[07:56] <Vorik> ok, then it isnt working
[07:56] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: what is the dhcp server?
[07:56] <AlfonsVH> _redrum_, do you mean the IP address?
[07:56] <Vorik> which computer?
[07:56] <AlfonsVH> Win 2k
[07:57] <_ReDRuM_> talk about go about things backward :P
[07:57] <Vorik> ok, then check if the service is running
[07:57] <AlfonsVH> I use a LAN connection and a USB ADSL connection
[07:57] <AlfonsVH> yes it is running
[07:57] <Vorik> ok.. is it a w2k server?
[07:57] <AlfonsVH> euh... Just win2k professional connected with a LAN cable to the linux box
[07:58] <Vorik> crosslink? of via een hub
[07:58] <StR> anyone else getting problems displaying  chars like:     in kde?
[07:58] <AlfonsVH> crosslink
[07:58] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: do you mind if you lose your linux network connection a second?
[07:58] <AlfonsVH> nope
[07:58] <Vorik> StR: None at all
[07:58] <_ReDRuM_> killall dhclient3 && dhclient3 -d
[07:58] <AlfonsVH> ok
[07:58] <_ReDRuM_> should display helpful debug message
[07:59] <_ReDRuM_> hey
[07:59] <_ReDRuM_> this channels grown by a third since i started coming in here
[07:59] <_ReDRuM_> that was fast
[07:59] <StR> Vorik: I have this problem, but when I set encoding to western-europena..... i can see it..
[07:59] <StR> Vorik: but not with the "default"
[07:59] <StR> Vorik: how can I set the default encoding?
[08:00] <Vorik> StR: Just a moment
[08:00] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: get your debug messages?
[08:00] <tibal> hi !
[08:01] <tibal> new to kubuntu, just installed it :)
[08:01] <tibal> it rox ! good job
[08:01] <AlfonsVH> _redrum_, it says "Sit0 unknown hardware address type 776 and than some copyright stuff and then DHCPDISCOVER on <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval xx  .... no DHCPOFFERS received ... no working leases blahblahblah ... sleeping"
[08:01] <Vorik> Did you try Settings://Accessibility/ and then (translating from dutch) Country/Region and language --> Country?
[08:01] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: sure your windows box isnt firewalled with zonealarm or some similar program?
[08:01] <tibal> How can i set auto loggin ?
[08:01] <Vorik> I think its that
[08:01] <_ReDRuM_> hmm that sit0 stuff.......
[08:02] <_ReDRuM_> what kind of ethernet card is that?
[08:02] <AlfonsVH> Vorik; I'm flemish so I speak Dutch :p
[08:02] <AlfonsVH> nope, _redrum_, not firewalled
[08:02] <Vorik> :)
[08:02] <_ReDRuM_> is it a wifi card
[08:02] <_ReDRuM_> ?
[08:02] <AlfonsVH> the sit0 wasn't there a couple of minutes ag
[08:02] <Vorik> AlfonsVH: You did configure a scope and such things?
[08:02] <AlfonsVH> no wifi card; just a PCI ethernet card on the linux box (3com 10/100) and a pnp card on the 2k
[08:03] <AlfonsVH> Vorik: how do you mean, scope?
[08:03] <_ReDRuM_> is it a laptop?
[08:03] <AlfonsVH> no
[08:03] <Vorik> AlfonsVH: You can use the "configuratiescherm" -> Systeembeheer -> DHCP (i think) to check if the service is up and configure scopes.
[08:03] <Vorik> the range of ipadresses
[08:03] <AlfonsVH> It's a compaq EP/SB series (pentium III)
[08:03] <AlfonsVH> no don't think so, Vorik.
[08:04] <AlfonsVH> don't know how, to be hones
[08:04] <AlfonsVH> t
[08:04] <Vorik> then that's the problem.
[08:04] <Vorik> Did you find the DHCP icon?
[08:04] <tibal> Hey, I see you speak about NIC.. I cant change any settings in KDE control panel for network. I type my password but everything it grey and not modifiable !
[08:04] <AlfonsVH> I'll go and see; wait a minute
[08:05] <Vorik> tibal: is there an 'admin mode' button on the bottom?
[08:05] <tibal> On a fresh install I'm a bit disapointed
[08:05] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[08:05] <_ReDRuM_> no scope
[08:05] <AlfonsVH> no dhcp icon in 'system configuration', Vorik, but in 'Network blahblah' it is enabled
[08:05] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[08:05] <AlfonsVH> don't laugh at me ;)
[08:05] <Vorik> tibal: if you install webmin (first change your root password) you can easily configure stuff
[08:06] <tibal> Vorik: of course, I must rezise the window to see it but after typing the pass, options are not unlocked ! and it doesn't write that it's false
[08:06] <Vorik> is there a dhcp server installed on the w2k box then?
[08:06] <tibal> Vorik: webmin on a laptop :( :( :(
[08:06] <_ReDRuM_> 2k3 comes with one cant remember if 2k does more than likely
[08:06] <_ReDRuM_> webmin fullstop yuucky
[08:06] <Vorik> lol
[08:07] <AlfonsVH> euhm... DHCP is only enabled in the network settings, nothing more. KaiL and uniq told me yesterday to enable it and they assumed it should work
[08:07] <tibal> Vorik: have you this bug ?
[08:07] <tibal> Vorik: it is also for other section in the panel, I can't do nothing
[08:07] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: that tells your win2k to be a dhcp client if you just enable it in the network settings of the adapter...
[08:07] <Vorik> Well, that is not going to work.. You need to install a dhcp server. But a lot - and i mean A LOT - easier would be if you configured the networkcards manually
[08:07] <Vorik> tibal: i'll try
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> it will be easier to do it manually alfons for sure :)
[08:08] <AlfonsVH> and how to do that
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> just specify an ip number on windows
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> say <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> with a netmask of <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> where you told it to "obtain ip address automatically" before
[08:09] <AlfonsVH> I did that before, and i runned the program Proxy (by analogX) and specified the proxy settings in Linux, and that worked for konqueror, but not for apt-get and stuff. Yes, it's obtained manually now, but when I used the proxy it wasn't
[08:09] <Vorik> tibal: which applet is it?
[08:09] <tibal> Network Settings
[08:09] <_ReDRuM_> oh i see you want to share your whole internet with the linux
[08:09] <AlfonsVH> indeed
[08:10] <Vorik> yes, i've got it too
[08:10] <_ReDRuM_> ... is there any pressing reason you cant use your dsl on the linux ?
[08:10] <_ReDRuM_> and share with the windows
[08:10] <_ReDRuM_> ?
[08:10] <Vorik> but webmin should work
[08:10] <tibal> Vorik: here settings:/Network/ and after the icon named "Network Settings"
[08:10] <tibal> Vorik: ok but I will never install it
[08:10] <Vorik> :)
[08:11] <AlfonsVH> dunno; _redrum_; but it's a USB modem and I'd like to keep it connected to the 2k box
[08:11] <_ReDRuM_> ... then i think windows 2000 included RAS services and you should be able to share your internet with that
[08:11] <Vorik> _redrum_: also for linux?
[08:11] <_ReDRuM_> of course its just a DHCP server with NAT
[08:11] <AlfonsVH> where can I find the files to configure it?
[08:12] <Vorik> yeah, that's right!
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: this isnt a windows help channel :P
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> you need a windows help channel for that
[08:12] <Vorik> wait: isnt that only for win xp?
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> i cant remember off hand and proprietary software sucks :)
[08:12] <AlfonsVH> haha but I when I post it there, then they'd be complaining that I'm talking 'bout Linux.
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: you are thinking of internet connection sharing
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> 9x does that too, im nto sure if 2k does - probably not
[08:13] <Vorik> yeah
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> 2k is more likely to do RAS services
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: dont tell them
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: dont mention linux
[08:13] <AlfonsVH> when I look to the internet settings properties, it is able to share it and it's enabled
[08:13] <Vorik> :)
[08:13] <AlfonsVH> _redrum_, I won't ;)
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> just say that it needs to be for an old computer without internet connection sharing
[08:13] <AlfonsVH> do you know any good win channel?
[08:13] <Vorik> haha, not all windows people are allergic to linux
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> not on this network
[08:14] <Vorik> i am an MCSE :)
[08:14] <AlfonsVH> oh
[08:14] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: its not that hard (tho its easier on linux) google for something like +"windows 2000 NAT"
[08:14] <_ReDRuM_> NAT is the technology you want
[08:14] <Vorik> if the w2k box acts as a router, it will be fine too
[08:14] <AlfonsVH> but I did share the connection on the 2k box; only I don't know how to configure linux etc... by the way; wat's NAT?
[08:14] <_ReDRuM_> network address translation
[08:14] <Vorik> well
[08:15] <Vorik> no, not true
[08:15] <Vorik> that it can act as a router and all is fine i mean
[08:15] <_ReDRuM_> NAT isn't network address translation? sure it is.
[08:15] <Vorik> you really need nat
[08:15] <_ReDRuM_> your an MCSE vorik!!!
[08:15] <Vorik> yeah, i know :)
[08:15] <_ReDRuM_> you should know how to do NAT on 2k :)
[08:15] <Vorik> that it can act as a router and all is fine i mean
[08:16] <Vorik> my own remark wasnt true :)
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> oh right
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[08:16] <Vorik> hah
[08:16] <Vorik> :)
[08:16] <gsuveg> re
[08:16] <gsuveg> anybody know a pw generator for kde ?
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: google for windows 2000 nat, windows 2k nat
[08:16] <membreya> it's ok Vorik, you're an MCSE :P
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> or put the dsl on linux
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> and we will help you do it that way
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> your cool :)
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> s/cool/call/
[08:17] <Vorik> an usb dsl on linux?
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: i ran a USB dsl on linux....
[08:17] <AlfonsVH> nono usb dsl on win2k
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> since 2001
[08:17] <AlfonsVH> yes, but I want to keep it running on 2k
[08:17] <Vorik> haha
[08:17] <AlfonsVH> by the way; NAT is only included in server edition and I don't find a download for it
[08:17] <Vorik> ok
[08:18] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: then you need to get your wallet out :)
[08:18] <_ReDRuM_> or stop using crappy proprietry software
[08:18] <edgar> hi
[08:18] <AlfonsVH> hmmmm I'm not really willing to :p
[08:18] <_ReDRuM_> then you are screwed.
[08:18] <AlfonsVH> shit
[08:18] <Vorik> perhaps there is third party software that gives you NAT on w2k pro
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: i know of several, none are free
[08:19] <AlfonsVH> and what if I use vncserver or something
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: wont let you go on the internet
[08:19] <AlfonsVH> or VPN
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> again nope
[08:19] <Vorik> you can configure your w2k as a proxy.
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: he tried that but it was only good for HTTP traffic not many of his other programs
[08:19] <AlfonsVH> indeed
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> suppose you could use socks or some other equally yucky solution
[08:20] <Vorik> hmm
[08:20] <AlfonsVH> ftp traffic too, but the apt-get didn't work etc...
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> there might be a free socks server for windows
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> thats a headache tho sockisfying all your linux apps, if your not comfortable using a usb dsl with linux ud hate that
[08:20] <AlfonsVH> don't talk about it then ;)
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> nope sorry, wallet, linux, proxy and live without automated app's, or screwed.
[08:21] <Vorik> then format your w2k box and install kubuntu ;)
[08:21] <AlfonsVH> haha no my family won't let me
[08:21] <Vorik> just make them!
[08:21] <AlfonsVH> but can't I configure the apt-get and stuff to use the proxy?
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: probably :)
[08:21] <AlfonsVH> but how, how, how, how!!
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> type man apt-get , press the / key and then type roxy and press enter
[08:22] <_ReDRuM_> thats the first place to looks
[08:22] <Vorik> install synaptic
[08:22] <_ReDRuM_> synaptic does built in proxy?
[08:22] <Vorik> there you can configure it easily
[08:22] <_ReDRuM_> maybe kpackage does too
[08:22] <Vorik> well, it probably instructs apt-get to use a proxy :)
[08:23] <_ReDRuM_> wow a feature that synaptic has and kpackage doesnt
[08:23] <_ReDRuM_> easy configuration of apt proxy settings.
[08:23] <AlfonsVH> nothing 'bout proxy in the manual as far as I see
[08:23] <_ReDRuM_> noticed it using 350mb of ram earlier
[08:24] <AlfonsVH> is it possible to install Synaptic on kubuntu without installing millions of stupid libs and stuff?
[08:24] <_ReDRuM_> check synaptic does do easy proxy config first vorik
[08:24] <Vorik> ?
[08:24] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: you sure synaptic has a nice "enter proxy here" button?
[08:25] <AlfonsVH> to be honest, I don't like kynaptic
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/06/msg00579.html
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> kynaptic is gay
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> i use kpackage
[08:25] <Vorik> the first thing i do is install synaptic :)
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> that was the second hit on google
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> tells you where to set proxy for apt
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: tried kpackage?
[08:25] <AlfonsVH> nope
[08:26] <_ReDRuM_> apart from being a ram whore it owns synaptic
[08:26] <Vorik> no, just installed it..
[08:26] <_ReDRuM_> alfonsvh: edit the file ~/.bash_profile
[08:26] <_ReDRuM_> where ~/ is your homedir (typing that should do it automatically)
[08:26] <Vorik> can i use rpm repositories with kpackage
[08:26] <_ReDRuM_> add to the file
[08:26] <Vorik> ?
[08:27] <AlfonsVH> and there type in the proxy settings as in the url or what?
[08:27] <_ReDRuM_> export ftp_proxy=ftp://your-ftp-proxy
[08:27] <AlfonsVH> I'll try
[08:27] <_ReDRuM_> and the same for http_proxy
[08:27] <_ReDRuM_> then
[08:27] <membreya> ooo I like kpackage :)
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> you will need to either - restart or in the console window type source ~/.bash_profile
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> and then run apt-get/kynaptic/kpackage/whatever from a console you have typed that source command in until you reboot
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: sorry
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> minor error
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> put it in ~/.profile
[08:28] <AlfonsVH> ok
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> not in ~/.bash_profile
[08:29] <_ReDRuM_> or kde will ignore it
[08:29] <_ReDRuM_> kde should read ~/.profile iirc
[08:29] <Vorik> can i use any rpm repositories with kpackage? WIll they function as well as debian ones?
[08:29] <_ReDRuM_> where is debians rc.local file
[08:30] <_ReDRuM_> that would be a better place for this surely
[08:30] <AlfonsVH> hm I'll search for it
[08:30] <AlfonsVH> but I then have to configure my IP address on the 2k box manually and then run the Proxy program eh?
[08:30] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: rpms are build for redhat unless theyre compiled statically the wont work at all
[08:30] <zack> amu: i'm actually studying for finaly exams right now; if you want to talk on irc about it i'll have to get back to you later...
[08:30] <_ReDRuM_> hey some of them will
[08:30] <_ReDRuM_> its hit and miss
[08:31] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: grab one and install it with alien
[08:31] <_ReDRuM_> then you will know
[08:31] <Vorik> ok
[08:31] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: yes
[08:31] <AlfonsVH> ok I'm going to reboot my linux box and try it all out
[08:32] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: if you want it automated you have to pay up or use linux
[08:32] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[08:32] <amu> zack: no prob, i'm here the 4-5h
[08:32] <AlfonsVH> but I do have to DISABLE DHCP on linux eh?
[08:32] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[08:32] <AlfonsVH> k
[08:32] <_ReDRuM_> if you had windows xp you could do it i dont think 2k has internet connection sharing tho
[08:32] <AlfonsVH> yes it has...
[08:32] <_ReDRuM_> oh
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> well - you can use that
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> thats a dhcp/nat server
[08:33] <AlfonsVH> yes but it doesn't seem to work
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> it should do
[08:33] <AlfonsVH> it doesn't
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> my sister uses it with a playstation
[08:33] <Vorik> that's silly
[08:33] <AlfonsVH> but a playstation doesn't run linux, does it ;)
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> its a fully upnp cliant dhcp/nat server
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> linux is a standard dhcp client
[08:33] <Vorik> ;if i install Mythtv with kpackage, it wants to install lots more then when I install it with synaptic
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> or rather dhclient is
[08:34] <Vorik> ey, i'm off now... I'll talk to you later.. (Will be coming here regularly)
[08:34] <_ReDRuM_> it doesnt matter what the client is if it talks dhcp or shouldnt do - there must be a problem somewhere.
[08:34] <_ReDRuM_> you can use on linux tcpdump -xnnvi eth0
[08:34] <_ReDRuM_> and watch it to see if it does communicate with the windows machine to do dhcp
[08:34] <_ReDRuM_> or just stick with proxy :)
[08:35] <AlfonsVH> strange thing is that when i enable DHCP on the linux box, it keeps saying that eth0 is disabled; and when I enable it , it get's disabled again
[08:35] <_tek>  your problem with internet connection sharing is more likely that you are not setting it up correctly, i have set that up to share connections with windows and linux several times in the distant past
[08:35] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: this is AFTER you ran dhcp right?
[08:35] <_tek> with win2K and xp
[08:35] <_ReDRuM_> cause thats normal if it cant get an IP from dhcp then it will leave the adaptor disabled
[08:36] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: yeh i know like i said my sister use a windows machine to share with her playstation
[08:36] <_ReDRuM_> see alfons :)
[08:36] <_ReDRuM_> two of us say its perfectly workable to do that...
[08:36] <_tek> just need to setup the second adapter in the win2k box with an ip of <IP_ADDRESS> or it will not work
[08:37] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: doesnt the wizzard do that automatically?
[08:37] <_ReDRuM_> or does 2k not have the wizzard?
[08:37] <Tm_T> hullo
[08:37] <_tek> when it works yes but i have done it many times where it did not work and i had to manually do it
[08:37] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[08:37] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: there u go - _tek seems to remember more about windows sharing than im sure he wants to
[08:37] <Tm_T> wizzard? you mean wizard?
[08:38] <_ReDRuM_> should be able to get it working after all :)
[08:38] <_tek> windows wizards are retarded basically
[08:38] <Tm_T> =)
[08:38] <Tm_T> windows is retarded
[08:38] <Tm_T> hi _ReDRuM_
[08:38] <_tek> yeah, but as long as it keeps breaking and getting infected i keep making bank
[08:38] <AlfonsVH> _redrum_, it is after I ran dhcp yes
[08:38] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: thats normal
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> windows does the same thing
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> or almost
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> widnows assigns it a random IP address
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> linux switches it off
[08:39] <kkathman> Tm_T: well now windows isnt retarded, just a slow learner :)
[08:39] <AlfonsVH> and how to avoid that, _redrum_?
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: make it work right :)
[08:40] <_tek> is more brain dead than that woman they just took off of life support
[08:40] <_tek> windows that is
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> the problem im almost 100% certain u will find is something to do with your windows config - like _tek says if windows 2000 doesnt have a static IP it wont work with internet connection sharing
[08:40] <AlfonsVH>  but when I assign a static IP, the DHCP isn't enabled!
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: thats right...
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> thats what you want
[08:40] <AlfonsVH> indeed
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> that setting is for DHCP *client*
[08:41] <kkathman> _tek:  well when you are practically the whole game in town, you can do what you want, unfortunately :(
[08:41] <_ReDRuM_> nto DHCP server
[08:41] <_tek> no, it can have a dynamic connection to the internet and it will still work, the second internal LAN interface MUST have an ip of <IP_ADDRESS> or nothing will work
[08:41] <_ReDRuM_> i didnt explain it too well
[08:41] <_tek> have run into this enough times to make me sick
[08:41] <AlfonsVH> so the lan which is connected to linux has to have that IP, shared internet connection and then I have to enable DHCP in linux and assign a static IP in linux and then it should work or what?
[08:41] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: lol
[08:42] <_tek> so much easier to share a linux connection than a windows connection
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> i know
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> windows is a dodgy piece of junk but oh well
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[08:42] <kkathman> _tek:  but my internal LAN doesnt have that address
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: does it matter
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> so long as he sets it static
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> dont confuse the issue
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[08:42] <_tek> setup the linux box with <IP_ADDRESS> as its gateway and dns give it a static ip unless its a laptop and its gonna be on other networks
[08:43] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: set your LAN ip to <IP_ADDRESS> on windows machine
[08:43] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: surely dhcp should do that automatically?
[08:43] <AlfonsVH> k
[08:43] <_tek> yeah but you could be left troubleshooting dhcp server issues. why bother?
[08:44] <AlfonsVH> and which IP should the linux box have? none I assume; since I have to enable DHCP there?
[08:44] <_tek> is it a laptop or a desktop machine?
[08:44] <_ReDRuM_> cause kubuntus is set to dhcp automatic so he shouldnt need to configure *anything* that way :) but yeh i see your point if hes messed with it too much
[08:44] <AlfonsVH> desktop
[08:45] <_tek> then why bother futzing with one more setting that might be wrong? set it up manually
[08:45] <AlfonsVH> which subnetmask and gateway stuff should I give the LAN in the 2k box?
[08:45] <AlfonsVH> and DNS
[08:45] <_ReDRuM_> subnetmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:45] <_ReDRuM_> gateway and DNS leave blank
[08:45] <AlfonsVH> ok
[08:45] <AlfonsVH> and then enable DHCP in linux
[08:45] <_ReDRuM_> you can try that... or you can follow teks howto :)
[08:46] <_tek> your only setting up dns and gateway for the outside connection on the windows box
[08:46] <AlfonsVH> and disable proxy?
[08:46] <AlfonsVH> I know
[08:46] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: irrelevent... (yes)
[08:46] <_tek> k
[08:46] <AlfonsVH> ok
[08:46] <_ReDRuM_> one less thing to break windows
[08:46] <AlfonsVH> indeed
[08:48] <_ReDRuM_> anyone used that typing speed thing on kubuntu? :)
[08:48] <_ReDRuM_> i cant remember if i had it on gentoo or kubuntu and ive lost it
[08:49] <Tm_T> err, typing speed thing?
[08:49] <_ReDRuM_> some typing tutor
[08:49] <Tm_T> ok
[08:49] <_ReDRuM_> fun to screw around with
[08:49] <Tm_T> It's in kde
[08:49] <AlfonsVH> guys; the ethernet device stays enabled, but I still don't have internet connection on the linux box
[08:49] <_tek> nope, but on debian yes, said i type almost 80 words a minute, 60 in one direction and 20 in reverse
[08:49] <membreya> lol _tek :P
[08:50] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: you mean Ktouch?
[08:50] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: probably :)
[08:50] <_tek> did you run the ICS program AlfonsVH
[08:50] <Tm_T> ok, kde-edu
[08:50] <AlfonsVH> sorry; I DO have connection!! I forgot to disable the proxy on 2k
[08:50] <AlfonsVH> great!!!
[08:50] <Tm_T> =)
[08:50] <AlfonsVH> It works!!
[08:50] <AlfonsVH> thanks very very much guys
[08:50] <_ReDRuM_> np
[08:51] <AlfonsVH> ok I'm going to test it out; see you!!
[08:51] <_tek> again proving windows is break dead and the wizards are all on acid
[08:51] <AlfonsVH> indeed
[08:51] <AlfonsVH> haha
[08:51] <_tek> s/break/brain/
[08:51] <_ReDRuM_> s/windows/lame-os/
[08:51] <Tm_T> =)
[08:52] <_ReDRuM_> k i dont have ktouch installed
[08:52] <_ReDRuM_> oh well
[08:52] <_ReDRuM_> its a pointless toy
[08:52] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[08:52] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: it's in kde-edu as I said
[08:52] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: i thought u said it was part of kde
[08:52] <Tm_T> =)
[08:53] <Tm_T> sorry if I mislead
[08:53] <_ReDRuM_> np doesnt matter i dont even understands the numbers
[08:53] <Tm_T> 21:49 < Tm_T> uh, Kingston Wall & absinthe, well now I'm wasted
[08:53] <_ReDRuM_> it says i type at like 440 which is obviously not words per minute
[08:53] <_ReDRuM_> so i dunno wtf it even measures in
[08:53] <Tm_T> so my attention is in music
[08:53] <_ReDRuM_> absinthe!
[08:53] <_ReDRuM_> evil
[08:53] <Tm_T> yes
[08:54] <Tm_T> and whiskey
[08:54] <Tm_T> just for medicine
[08:54] <Tm_T> uh
[08:54] <Tm_T> what makes absinthe evil?
[08:54] <_ReDRuM_> the wormwood?
[08:55] <Tm_T> naeh
[08:55] <Tm_T> cause what I got don't have it much
[08:55] <Tm_T> no yet
[08:56] <_ReDRuM_> it's ok if you don't make a habit of it
[08:56] <Tm_T> but even it's not that evil as long as you don't use it too much
[08:56] <_ReDRuM_> treat it like cocaine not beer
[08:56] <Tm_T> yes
[08:56] <Tm_T> actually I don't even drink a beer
[08:56] <Tm_T> not often
[08:56] <Tm_T> and no, I'm not gonna get drunk
[08:57] <Tm_T> just wan't my thorat opened
[08:57] <Tm_T> throat I mean
[08:57] <_tek> <-- got totally rippered up last night... YUM... good beer
[08:57] <_ReDRuM_> who'd wanna open your throat?
[08:57] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I mean, alcohol cleans my throat, can breath easier
[08:57] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: mmm
[08:58] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: clears my head :)
[08:58] <Tm_T> =)
[08:58] <_tek> working on windows systems causes me to drink
[08:58] <_ReDRuM_> in small doeses.
[08:58] <_tek> alcohol clears out my schedule
[08:58] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: hehe
[08:58] <Tm_T> _tek: uh, I understand =)
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> alcohol clears out my morals, my sensibilities, my pants and my lunch
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> usually in that order
[08:59] <_tek> recovering data from two infested windows machines right now using knoppix and reinstalling windows on them
[08:59] <_tek> LOL redrum
[08:59] <_tek> you forgot your wallet
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: of course i did, i've been drinking.
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[09:00] <_tek> well cheers, its to early for me besides still got a little left in my blood im sure
[09:00] <_ReDRuM_> 8pm here
[09:00] <_ReDRuM_> im supposed to be finishing this toaster script tho
[09:00] <_ReDRuM_> not drinking
[09:00] <_tek> high noon here
[09:01] <phxguy> anyone  use kopete in here?
[09:02] <_tek> have to go setup a new machine for a new customer in a bit, just trying to get these two windows systems started on their install now.
[09:02] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: what now? :)
[09:02] <AlfonsVH> doesn't work anymore guys; It worked for a couple of seconds and right now it gives a timeout
[09:02] <_tek> nope, use gaim, much faster
[09:02] <AlfonsVH> timeout on server www.google.com at port 80; says konqueror
[09:02] <phxguy> gaim doesn let you set your status to invisible though
[09:02] <_tek> run a traceroute on the linux box
[09:03] <AlfonsVH> talking to me, _tek?
[09:03] <_ReDRuM_> yeh i use kopete
[09:03] <_tek> yes
[09:03] <_ReDRuM_> its a bit flakey
[09:03] <AlfonsVH> ok
[09:03] <_tek> traceroute yahoo.com
[09:03] <_tek> i like the look of kopete but its slooow and a bit crashhappy for my taste
[09:03] <AlfonsVH> "command not found"
[09:03] <_tek> apt-get install traceroute
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> he cant
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> his internet is broken :)
[09:04] <_tek> might want to add tcpdump and whois
[09:04] <AlfonsVH> package is missing and indeed; inet is broken
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> jwhos better than normal whois
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: type
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> ifconfig eth0
[09:04] <AlfonsVH> ok
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> whats the ip?
[09:05] <_tek> also run route -n after you know your IP
[09:05] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: same here if kopete worked better it would be sweet but its another buggy KDE ram whore probably written in python
[09:05] <AlfonsVH> ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:05] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:05] <AlfonsVH> ok
[09:05] <phxguy> Anybody know what the reason was to have kubuntu not use HIMEM by default?
[09:06] <AlfonsVH> ping works
[09:06] <_ReDRuM_> ping AlfonsVH: killall dhclient3 ; ifconfig eth0
[09:06] <_ReDRuM_> er
[09:06] <_ReDRuM_> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:06] <_ReDRuM_> dont type
[09:06] <_ReDRuM_> that other thing
[09:06] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[09:06] <AlfonsVH> ok
[09:07] <AlfonsVH> not much response from the 66.102.9
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> any response?
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> does it get any packets trough?
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> press ctrl+c to stop it
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> it will give you a summary
[09:07] <AlfonsVH> no no packets
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> windows isnt routing for whatever reason then
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> check windows firewall/proxy/etc config
[09:07] <AlfonsVH> no proxy enabled; no firewall either
[09:08] <_ReDRuM_> ... its a windows problem...
[09:08] <AlfonsVH> isn't it allways
[09:08] <_ReDRuM_> its allocated a dhcp ip fine, you can ping the gateway
[09:08] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[09:08] <_ReDRuM_> one thing to check
[09:08] <AlfonsVH> which is...
[09:08] <_tek> how long is your cable between the two systems? 314 foot is the limit.... hey i have seen it happen
[09:08] <_ReDRuM_> route -n
[09:08] <AlfonsVH> about 10 metres
[09:08] <_ReDRuM_> type that in linux
[09:09] <_tek> k
[09:09] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: connections fine
[09:09] <_ReDRuM_> its a windows problem either not correctly allocating gateway via dhcp or (more likely) not routing traffic
[09:09] <AlfonsVH> upper IP is <IP_ADDRESS> lower IP is <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:10] <_ReDRuM_> and the gateway of lower is <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[09:10] <_ReDRuM_> (second column)
[09:10] <_tek> only other thing i would check and i don't remember how kubuntu does it/ check the /etc/nsswitch.conf file look for hosts and  dns should be listed first
[09:10] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: he cant ping
[09:10] <AlfonsVH> yes gateway is ok
[09:10] <_tek> route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:10] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: dont do that
[09:10] <AlfonsVH> haha
[09:10] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: its fine
[09:10] <_ReDRuM_> its already listed
[09:11] <_ReDRuM_> hey u can do it i guess
[09:11] <_ReDRuM_> might annoy dhcp is all and dhcp is NOT your problem
[09:11] <_ReDRuM_> windows not routing traffic is.
[09:11] <AlfonsVH> indeed
[09:11] <AlfonsVH> but how to fix it;....
[09:11] <_ReDRuM_> turn off your windows firewall :)
[09:12] <_ReDRuM_> its something wrong with the windows box
[09:12] <AlfonsVH> haven't got a firewall
[09:12] <AlfonsVH> unsecure, I know
[09:13] <_ReDRuM_> i dont know what to suggest cause yur linux client has done everything ti has to
[09:13] <AlfonsVH> yes
[09:13] <AlfonsVH> maybe I should restart windows and see what happens?
[09:13] <_ReDRuM_> and i 've forgotten most about how to setup windows internet connections sharings long long ago (i.e what boxes to click on)
[09:13] <_ReDRuM_> rebooting it is a fine idea.
[09:13] <StR> hi there...
[09:13] <StR> anyone has installed this: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt
[09:14] <_ReDRuM_> StR: its in universe
[09:14] <AlfonsVH> ok then I'll do that; if it work's you won't hear from me again on this channel today ;) otherwise you will
[09:14] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: ok :)
[09:14] <AlfonsVH> ok guys... rebooting
[09:14] <_ReDRuM_> StR: only downside of it is that if it crashes cause one of your GTK apps fucks up it kills all of them
[09:15] <_tek> using windows to do routing is like using an arsonist to clean your house
[09:15] <_ReDRuM_> bit annoying when gaim dies and brings azureus and your 40 firefox tabs down with it
[09:15] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[09:15] <_tek> all clean now!
[09:15] <_ReDRuM_> hey dude... wheres my house?
[09:16] <_tek> dude, your house is smokin!
[09:16] <_ReDRuM_> what?!? so's your mumma, check out thaat asssssss
[09:16] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: learn your lesson..don't use gaim and for god's sake don't use firefox :P
[09:17] <membreya> konqueror 0wns me bad
[09:17] <_ReDRuM_> konquerer always does stupid crap on my system recently
[09:17] <_ReDRuM_> like continuously using tabs when i explictitly say open a new window
[09:17] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: user error: replace user
[09:17] <_tek> i totally like konqueror for web browsing but with kubuntu it keeps crashing out on me, no issues with gaim though
[09:17] <_ReDRuM_> yeh so you say
[09:17] <_ReDRuM_> but you dont know what the error is do you
[09:17] <_ReDRuM_> neither does anyone in #kde
[09:17] <membreya> :P just razzin ya _ReDRuM_ :)
[09:17] <StR> _ReDRuM_: but it works?
[09:17] <_ReDRuM_> StR: yeh it works fine.
[09:18] <StR> _ReDRuM_: have you installed with .deb? with apt-get? or run the autopackage?
[09:18] <bhna> why depends kdesu on root?
[09:18] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: besides, OS shouldnt be web browser...
 _ReDRuM those are called pebkac errors
[09:18] <_ReDRuM_> dont these guys learn anything from windows
[09:18] <_tek> problem exists between keyboard and chair
[09:18] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: it makes me feel warm and fuzzy and all redmond'ish :D
[09:18] <_ReDRuM_> i suppose its not as bad
[09:18] <_ReDRuM_> since ppl arent logged in as admin generally
[09:19] <_tek> my fav is the ID-10T error
[09:19] <_ReDRuM_> but still , one more thing to go wrong, OS should KISS
[09:19] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: yes but as opposed to IE ..konqueror is somewhat powerful :)
[09:19] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: yeh ... no.
[09:19] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: and slow... ram hungry...
[09:19] <membreya> slow? :|
[09:20] <membreya> what sort of system are you running
[09:20] <_ReDRuM_> an athlong 2800+
[09:20] <membreya> amd64 3200 :)
[09:20] <_tek> konqueror rocks when it doesn't crash, can totally configure the shit out of it
[09:20] <_ReDRuM_> k great.
[09:20] <_ReDRuM_> *all* of KDE would rock more if it was stable :)
[09:21] <_ReDRuM_> i almost lost my mind and installed gnome earlier
[09:21] <membreya> where would the fun be then ?
[09:21] <_tek> that is kde3.4 issues
[09:21] <membreya> gnome shits me ..no friggin ability to edit the menu ..what's that about
[09:21] <_tek> not kde in general
[09:21] <membreya> kde4's in the first half of 2005..AFAIK :)
[09:21] <_tek> gnome is sane be default and if it doesnt work for you you must be insane in the membrane
[09:22] <membreya> gnome works..but kde is pretty and tweakable :)
[09:22] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[09:22] <_tek> gnome can munch my nutsack, it sucks
[09:22] <_ReDRuM_> i like kdes tweakability
[09:22] <_ReDRuM_> thats why im usin it
[09:22] <_ReDRuM_> gnome is ... tbh probably inferior to windows
[09:22] <_ReDRuM_> kde needs a beating for its buggyness tho
[09:23] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: it shows by it's popularity...53 users in #gnome..honestly
[09:23] <_ReDRuM_> like kaffeine for example
[09:23] <_ReDRuM_> wtf is that bullshit kaffeine loading and eating all my cpu without me doing anything
[09:23] <_tek> i would go so far to say gnome is inferior to a etch-a-sketch
[09:23] <_ReDRuM_> reminds me of that poxy windows explorer avi hook bug but worse cause kaffeine doesnt timeout eventually
[09:23] <_-InMa-_> buenas noches, good nigth
[09:24] <_tek> killall kaffeine
[09:24] <_ReDRuM_> _tek - yeh great.... i have it on an alias "kk" cause it happens so often :)
[09:24] <bhna> When I go to the kde config-centre, and choose a part where I have to fill in my sudo password, then after a while kde is jumping back to the config-centre startscreen.
[09:24] <_ReDRuM_> alias kk='killall -9 kaffeine'
[09:24] <_ReDRuM_> id delete it but then vlc goes and malfunctions sometimes :)
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> none of that kde sudo shit works properly
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> its not a sudo pass tho
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> its a root pass
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> it wants your su pass
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> ...
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> that kdesu crap tho it doest work
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> its anothe known kde bug :)
[09:25] <membreya> works for me *shrugs*
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: the most unhelpful comment ever :)
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> ive looked around kde's site
[09:26] <membreya> that's what I'm good for :D
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> they acknoledge its a kde issue
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> bhna: run sudo -p
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> and then type kcontrol
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> from in there you can do admin stuff
[09:26] <membreya> but then again, I'm one of the fools affects by the nvidia/renderaccel bug :|
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: really? works for me :)
[09:26] <membreya> bite me :P
[09:27] <Tm_T> =)
[09:27] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: i know kdesu drives me crazy
[09:27] <Tm_T> haha
[09:27] <membreya> oh ...ATI ..now there's a good gfx card :P
[09:27] <Tm_T> thoho
[09:27] <Fhigo> I WANT KUBUNTU!!!! ;)
[09:27] <Tm_T> I HAVE KUBUNTU!!!1
[09:27] <Tm_T> ;p
[09:27] <Fhigo> lol
[09:27] <Fhigo> fucker ^^
[09:27] <_ReDRuM_> bhna: dont use it
[09:27] <_ReDRuM_> its broken
[09:28] <Tm_T> Metallica - Four Horsemen :p
[09:28] <_ReDRuM_> maybe i might make a snapshot deb of kde with half of these bugs ironed out if nobody else can be bothered - when i finish my LFS auto bootstrap/toaster
[09:28] <membreya> shit..5.30 am :|
[09:28] <Tm_T> heh
[09:28] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: is there any bugreport?
[09:28] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: ...what bugs? :P
[09:28] <_ReDRuM_> bhna: yeh
[09:28] <Tm_T> membreya: you are from where? aussie?
[09:28] <membreya> Tm_T: that's the one :)
[09:29] <Tm_T> heh
[09:29] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: go and play tux racer on your accelerated video card
[09:29] <membreya> g'day mate..throw another shrimp on the barbie yada yada
[09:29] <membreya> i hate you _ReDRuM_ ...with a passion
[09:29] <Tm_T> membreya: jIt was educated guess =)
[09:29] <_ReDRuM_> that's what us limey wankers are for.
[09:29] <Tm_T> haha
[09:29] <Tm_T> membreya: play supertux, great game
[09:29] <membreya> i know it's a great game
[09:30] <membreya> but it's icky without ogl
[09:30] <Tm_T> heh, UT2k4 runs smooothly <3
[09:30] <membreya> and without renderaccel
[09:30] <membreya> ....
[09:30] <_ReDRuM_> GOAL!!!!
[09:30] <_ReDRuM_> gday mate
[09:30] <membreya> rugby? :|
[09:30] <StR> _ReDRuM_: could you help me?  do you have the .deb?
[09:30] <_ReDRuM_> gday sport
[09:30] <membreya> where's the friggin logic in rugby..they throw the ball...BACKWARDS!
[09:30] <_ReDRuM_> StR: its in the repo
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: dunno, i like the game though - much prefer it to football :)
[09:31] <membreya> which football are you referring to ?
[09:31] <StR> kubuntu repo? or that kalyxo repo?
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> any football :)
[09:31] <membreya> AFL, Soccer, Rugby, GridIron
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> but the real football of course
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> soccer
[09:31] <membreya> oh ...90 mins..MAYBE 1 goal
[09:31] <membreya> hold me back
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> that's why i prefer rugby :)
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> apart from punching people
[09:32] <membreya> don't like _ReDRuM_ ..you like watching the rucks
[09:32] <_tek> back in a few
[09:32] <membreya> dont lie even
[09:32] <membreya> FUCK!
[09:32] <membreya> i totally screwed that insult up
[09:32] <_ReDRuM_> eh slow down
[09:32] <_ReDRuM_> we can start with a suck first
[09:32] <membreya> LOL
[09:32] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[09:33] <_ReDRuM_> yeh its all that
[09:33] <membreya> 2 inches of pure english lovin'
[09:33] <StR> _ReDRuM_: I don't find it in the rep
[09:33] <_ReDRuM_> StR: its in there
[09:33] <_ReDRuM_> maybe in universe or multiverse
[09:33] <_ReDRuM_> enable them....
[09:34] <StR> _ReDRuM_: I do have universe and multiverse...
[09:34] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: you've seen me with a hard-on? :/
[09:34] <Fhigo> when you were talking i wasn't listen to word say.. *sings* ^^
[09:34] <membreya> hahaha
[09:34] <_ReDRuM_> StR: er
[09:34] <_ReDRuM_> well its there...
[09:34] <_ReDRuM_> sec
[09:34] <membreya> www.redrumspr0n.net
[09:34] <_ReDRuM_> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[09:34] <Fhigo> wtf is goin on O.o
[09:36] <_ReDRuM_> Fhigo: ?
[09:36] <Fhigo> don't care
[09:36] <Fhigo> ^^
[09:36] <StR> _ReDRuM_: E: Couldn't find package gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[09:36] <_ReDRuM_> k
[09:36] <_ReDRuM_> StR: using hoary?
[09:36] <Fhigo> i'm out for a beer ... later guys
[09:36] <StR> _ReDRuM_: yes...
[09:37] <_ReDRuM_> StR: then... you dont have all the repos enabled :)
[09:37] <_ReDRuM_> apt-get update
[09:37] <_ReDRuM_> enable the repos..
[09:37] <_ReDRuM_> apt-get update
[09:38] <alex> hi everyone
[09:38] <_ReDRuM_> hi alex
[09:38] <alex> does anyone know why knode and kmail are not in the kubuntu K menu ?
[09:39] <membreya> alex: looked under internet?
[09:39] <alex> no they are not under internet ;)
[09:39] <membreya> then add them *slaps*
[09:39] <alex> although they are installed
[09:40] <Borg^Queen> Hello humans
[09:40] <exek> hi all, can somebody help me with kde headers files?
[09:40] <_ReDRuM_> alex: open the PIM in office
[09:40] <_ReDRuM_> thats got kmail in it
[09:40] <StR> _ReDRuM_: could you msg me your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:40] <darkaudit> membreya: they're in the Debian menu if you run update-menus, but they're no in the Kubuntu or Ubuntu menus
[09:40] <Borg^Queen> exek: just download them using synaptic
[09:40] <membreya> darkaudit: they were in my menus from a fresh install ..as far as i remember..but that was 2 days ago
[09:40] <exek> I tried
[09:40] <membreya> yes...they were
[09:41] <exek> apt-get install kdelibs4-dev
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> exek: what happened/
[09:41] <_ReDRuM_> oh crap cant dcc
[09:41] <_ReDRuM_> err
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> This are the developement files for kde
[09:41] <darkaudit> membreya: they were in my Ubuntu menu until about 10 days before the release
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> You need the headers which I think, are in a package al their own.
[09:42] <exek> error has about 39 lines...
[09:42] <membreya> darkaudit: mine is a fresh install of kubuntu 5.04
[09:42] <membreya> but it could be like admin mode in control centre... I have access to that :P
[09:43] <darkaudit> hmm... I call kmail with a click on my mail desklet anyway ;)
[09:43] <membreya> darkaudit: why not just leave it running?
[09:43] <exek> heh... sorry for disturbing... i used apt-get -f install and its something repairng :)
[09:43] <alex> i've just tried supertux: this is indeed a great game !
[09:43] <exek> but thanks for help
[09:44] <exek> try abuse :)
[09:44] <Borg^Queen> did it fix it?
[09:44] <membreya> crack-attack, frozen bubble, klickety and kbounce are all great time wasters :D
[09:45] <exek> i dont know yet... its downloading some stuff
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> membreya: SuperTux
[09:45] <exek> but it propably repair it
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> exek: so its a go?
[09:45] <membreya> Borg^Queen: i know ...
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> LOL
[09:46] <SuperCatFrog> hello all
[09:46] <exek> Borg^Queen: i think so
[09:46] <exek> Borg^Queen: Do You played ever abuse?
[09:46] <exek> this game rox ;D
[09:47] <Borg^Queen> No. Abuse, sounds nasty
[09:47] <membreya> lol it's a fun old skool game :)
[09:47] <SuperCatFrog> abuse is cool - i used to play it on my 486dx
[09:47] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody know where ubuntu's bugzilla is?
[09:47] <Borg^Queen> Never played it
[09:48] <exek> this game is so old? wow... but it rox :)
[09:48] <\sh> SuperCatFrog: bugzilla.ubuntu.com?
[09:48] <SuperCatFrog> sh - tried
[09:48] <\sh> SuperCatFrog: but there it is ;)
[09:48] <motaboy> Hi all!
[09:48] <SuperCatFrog> hmm, i must have typed it wrong the first time
[09:50] <SuperCatFrog> oh crap - i forgot my ubuntu website username/password#
[09:50] <Borg^Queen> hello motaboy
[09:50] <alex> does anyone know how to install liquid weather++ with superkaramba
[09:50] <membreya> chatting through an IM ...how tacky :P
[09:50] <_ReDRuM_> alex: download it, extract it, run it
[09:50] <alex> i'm having trouble with it
[09:50] <_ReDRuM_> it misbehaved for me too when i was using a different theme
[09:50] <membreya> don't forget to open the .theme with superkaramba :)
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> if it doesnt work properly and is all blank looking
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> use a different theme
[09:51] <alex> i did it, but i have nothing on the screen
[09:51] <membreya> bakkakke is good enough for me :)
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> yeh you do
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> you have a see-through blank box
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> at least if you have the same issue i did
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> change your theme
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> (KDE window deco, etc)
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> went away for me when i did that
[09:52] <alex> you mean i should change for another liquid weather like theme ?
[09:52] <_ReDRuM_> KDE theme
[09:52] <_ReDRuM_> change your KDE theme...
[09:52] <Borg^Queen> So where might I collect this abuse to see for myself?
[09:53] <_ReDRuM_> there you go
[09:53] <_ReDRuM_> right here
[09:53] <membreya> Borg^Queen: sudo apt-get install abuse?
[09:53] <_ReDRuM_> hey see
[09:53] <_ReDRuM_> your doing great.
[09:53] <alex> i changed my kde theme to plastik, but still nothing...
[09:53] <Borg^Queen> membreya: no on ku yet
[09:53] <Exek_pl> and dont forget abuse-sound :)
[09:53] <Borg^Queen> lol
[09:54] <_ReDRuM_> alex: *shrug* didnt work for me for a couple of days either
[09:54] <membreya> membreya@diab:~$ apt-cache search abuse
[09:54] <membreya> abuse - SDL port of the Abuse action game
[09:54] <membreya> abuse-frabs - levels and graphics for Abuse
[09:54] <membreya> works for me :)
[09:54] <membreya> chicago...NOOOOOOOOO
[09:54] <alex> now i have a black box on my desktop
[09:54] <_ReDRuM_> alex - thats what i got
[09:54] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[09:54] <Borg^Queen> You can't pat me. your only a half cm tall
[09:55] <alex> do i have to place the liquid weather files in some particular location in the disk ?
[09:55] <_ReDRuM_> change your theme - and it works
[09:55] <_ReDRuM_> alex: no ive told u already like 7 times its a bug kde theme releated.... n/m forget it.
[09:55] <_ReDRuM_> hey cool, flat borg queen
[09:55] <alex> which kde theme works for you ?
[09:56] <Borg^Queen> Ooh squash yummy thanks
[09:56] <_ReDRuM_> alex: i got a mismatch of like err, sec
[09:56] <Borg^Queen> Without the money
[09:56] <_tek> roflol
[09:56] <Borg^Queen> lol
[09:57] <_ReDRuM_> abort - windows was here
[09:57] <_ReDRuM_> alex - knifty window deco, baghira style
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> No windows here
[09:57] <_ReDRuM_> Borg^Queen: microsoft is everywhere, resistance is futile.
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> baghira rocks
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> _ReDRuM_: Actually windows is deminishing.
[09:58] <_tek> updating windows is futile you will be hacked
[09:58] <Borg^Queen> lol
[09:58] <_ReDRuM_> yeh i know, any excuse for a cheezy borg reference.
[09:58] <Borg^Queen> _tek: you got it
[09:58] <Borg^Queen> _ReDRuM_: oh lol
[09:58] <_ReDRuM_> not on any of my systems anymore
[09:58] <uniq> hello guys.
[09:58] <_tek> yeah but penicillin helped me get rid of it
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> hey uniq, hows u this evening?
[09:59] <uniq> hi redrum, just got back from work.. 16h today..
[09:59] <_tek> i run windows in vmware just to walk customers out of problems.
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> savage.
[09:59] <_tek> they manage to always walk back into another one though.
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: tell them to put the knoppix cd in the drive
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> no more problem :)
[10:00] <Borg^Queen> _tek: eeewww
[10:00] <_tek> do not laugh redrum i have done it more than once, knoppix is the worlds greatest prank too! dont tell them the cd is in there and watch them scratch their heads for HOURS!!!
[10:01] <_tek> just tell them its service pack 3
[10:01] <Borg^Queen> _tek: Oh I have to do that. That would rocks
[10:01] <Borg^Queen> OMG I have to do that!!
[10:01] <Borg^Queen> They crap themselves
[10:02] <Exek_pl> sadist
[10:02] <Borg^Queen> Yes and?
[10:02] <_tek> actually setup two system for a hotel in the lobby, one running knoppix and one running xp
[10:02] <Exek_pl> nothing ;P
[10:02] <Borg^Queen> Wait, Exek_pl you say that like its a bad thing
[10:02] <_tek> someone stole the system running knoppix, no HD in the system either
[10:02] <_ReDRuM_> alex: http://xs404.xs.to/pics/05151/rulez.jpg <--- what theme  i got :)
[10:02] <Exek_pl> I must reconsider it.... Its great thing :)
[10:02] <_ReDRuM_> as you can see if you stick with it liquid weather will stop foobaring in the end
[10:04] <Exek_pl> ... my english sucks... im going to eat dictionary tonight... goodbye all
[10:04] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: he service pack three
[10:05] <_ReDRuM_> heh even.
[10:05] <_tek> if kubuntu did not ask the language and keyboard questions i would use it instead for live cd's and pranks
[10:06] <Borg^Queen> ubuntu: hello
[10:06] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: for pranks i like putting gay porn in their porn collection and renaming it so it fits in with their files
[10:06] <Borg^Queen> you snagged a good nick
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> _ReDRuM_: ewww
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> Porn in general
[10:07] <_ReDRuM_> nothing wrong with a bit of porno
[10:07] <_ReDRuM_> gay porn sure
[10:07] <_ReDRuM_> thats the whole point
[10:07] <_ReDRuM_> classic reactions
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> There's nothing wrong with be lesbian or gay
[10:07] <_ReDRuM_> Borg^Queen: you wanna watch a bunch of gay porn?
[10:08] <fat_larry> there's an offer
[10:08] <_ReDRuM_> fat_larry: ho ho
[10:08] <_ReDRuM_> you see me point.
[10:08] <Borg^Queen> I don't want to watch porn at all
[10:08] <_ReDRuM_> Borg^Queen: ok... don't watch it then :)
[10:09] <Borg^Queen> _ReDRuM_: porn makes you a winuser
[10:09] <_ReDRuM_> hey borg queen, want to watch this video i've got, it's about linux technology issues...
[10:09] <Borg^Queen> No thanks
[10:10] <fat_larry> is it harcorde issues, or just softcore?
[10:10] <_ReDRuM_> fat_larry: dunno - it was a joke i dont have any porn or tech vids :)
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> LOL yeah
[10:11] <fat_larry> hehe
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> You computer is full of
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> tech vids
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> You're a tech vid junkie
[10:11] <_ReDRuM_> it's full of episodes of deadwood and 24
[10:11] <_ReDRuM_> eyes
[10:11] <_ReDRuM_> err...
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> _ReDRuM_: see that, tell him there's no porn and he lives
[10:11] <_ReDRuM_> *flicks through vid dir*
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> deadwood?
[10:11] <_ReDRuM_> yeh deadwood is the best program on tv.
[10:12] <Borg^Queen> What is it about.
[10:12] <Borg^Queen> I dont' watch TV
[10:12] <Borg^Queen> Well except for learning channels and sci fi
[10:12] <_ReDRuM_> it's about a lawless hell hole in the the wild west full of criminals, drunks and hookers
[10:12] <_tek> i watch tv, craving me some farscape!
[10:12] <Borg^Queen> Farscape1
[10:12] <_tek> rocks!!!
[10:13] <_ReDRuM_> heh you addicts.
[10:13] <_ReDRuM_> lot of people raving about lost right now
[10:13] <_tek> chiana, now that is someone i would like to see in a porno
[10:13] <_tek> lol
[10:14] <Borg^Queen> _tek: who?
[10:14] <Borg^Queen> Ooh chianna, she's cute
[10:14] <_tek> she is totally hot.
[10:14] <_tek> in real life she is totally hot
[10:15] <Borg^Queen> I agree
[10:15] <_tek> have a few pics she has done
[10:15] <_ReDRuM_> she must be quite popular
[10:15] <_ReDRuM_> the third google URL in her name is about a cat
[10:15] <_ReDRuM_> and the first has no photos
[10:16] <_tek> ok, i have to get out of here, back in a few hours. have a new system to go deliver
[10:16] <Borg^Queen> later
[10:16] <_tek> i can send you some pics when i get back redrum, she is good looking and very talented
[10:16] <_ReDRuM_> borg spelled her name wrong.
[10:16] <_ReDRuM_> later
[10:16] <_tek> L8tr
[10:17] <_ReDRuM_> she's ok.
[10:17] <_ReDRuM_> her character sounds interesting
[10:18] <Borg^Queen> The character is interesting
[10:19] <_ReDRuM_> still... its farscape
[10:19] <_ReDRuM_> it cant be any good
[10:19] <_ReDRuM_> they put it on the sci-fi channel at 2am or so here
[10:19] <_ReDRuM_> i've always avoided watching it
[10:19] <Borg^Queen> VCR dude
[10:20] <_ReDRuM_> i avoided watching it deliberately :)
[10:20] <elias> i just installed kubuntu, and I'm having problems with my fglrx driver-- I've installed it, xorg, added all of the correct directives, etc.. but still have a few strange problems
[10:20] <elias> 1. kcomposite complains that xorg isnt started
[10:20] <elias> 2. fglrxinfo compains that XFree86-DRI directive isnt set
[10:20] <_ReDRuM_> ati driver doesnt work with composite
[10:20] <_ReDRuM_> use the mesa one if you want composite
[10:21] <_ReDRuM_> yes ati sucks horribly
[10:21] <elias> okay, thats fine, but what about the later
[10:21] <_ReDRuM_> e-mail them and complain
[10:21] <elias> i know, but thats what I have to play with
[10:21] <_ReDRuM_> me too
[10:21] <_ReDRuM_> never again...
[10:21] <elias> and if i want to play 3d games i need fglrx, no>
[10:21] <elias> ?
[10:21] <_ReDRuM_> it will certainly help
[10:21] <elias> so then the later problem
[10:22] <elias> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:22] <elias> what am I missing?
[10:22] <_ReDRuM_> Load "dri" ?
[10:22] <_ReDRuM_> you need Load "dri" and Load "glx"
[10:22] <_ReDRuM_> in the module section
[10:22] <elias> both are done
[10:22] <Tm_T> hmm, azureus...
[10:23] <elias> as in both are in there
[10:23] <_ReDRuM_> Option "no_dri" "no"
[10:23] <_ReDRuM_> in ati device section?
[10:23] <elias> where?
[10:23] <_ReDRuM_> tell u what
[10:23] <_ReDRuM_> ill just paste my xorg.conf
[10:23] <_ReDRuM_> and u work it out :)
[10:23] <elias> good idea
[10:23] <elias> pm m
[10:23] <elias> e
[10:23] <_ReDRuM_> ill stick it on pastebin
[10:24] <_ReDRuM_> http://pastebin.ca/9567
[10:25] <elias> thanks
[10:25] <_ReDRuM_> the DRi section ive got in there requires u to be in the video group to use it
[10:25] <_ReDRuM_> and err... ignore the mega rant about nvidia
[10:25] <elias> haha
[10:25] <_ReDRuM_> id been trying to get composite to work for 10 hours
[10:25] <_ReDRuM_> i now know more than i ever wanted to about ati and their crappy driver.
[10:26] <_ReDRuM_> oh yeh
[10:26] <_ReDRuM_> and theres an explaination of internal agp gart in there too
[10:26] <_ReDRuM_> cause n00bs kept telling me the wrong info and it took me a few hours to figure that out too
[10:27] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - kompmgr looks very nice, but unfortunately its very unstable
[10:28] <SuperCatFrog> and buggy too
[10:28] <burgermann> lo :)
[10:28] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: oh well
[10:28] <burgermann> would anyone accidently know of any KDE application that synchronizes with mobile phones?
[10:28] <_ReDRuM_> fit in well with the kde desktop then :)
[10:28] <SuperCatFrog> burgerman - ksync
[10:28] <psn> SuperCatFrog: well I wouldn't blame it all on kompmgr
 :)
[10:28] <burgermann> oh :s
[10:29] <SuperCatFrog> pan - yes, i know - i meant composite in X in general
[10:29] <SuperCatFrog> might be the binary nvidia driver not liking the render extention also
[10:29] <KaiL> seams to be even worse with ATI
[10:29] <burgermann> does anyone know any KDE application that haven't been thought of? (joke)
[10:29] <_ReDRuM_> it doesnt WORK with ati
[10:29] <_ReDRuM_> unless u use the mesa drivers
[10:30] <KaiL> duno about and open drivers..
[10:30] <_ReDRuM_> i spent 10 hours tryijng to make it work
[10:30] <SuperCatFrog> burgermann - have you tried ksync?
[10:30] <_ReDRuM_> befoe finally learning it just cannot be done
[10:30] <burgermann> SuperCatFrog, no, i'm on it =D
[10:30] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: is it staple on any hardware?
[10:30] <KaiL> staBle...
[10:30] <_ReDRuM_> dont think its stable yet nope
[10:30] <_ReDRuM_> still - nothing on X is stable... *grumble* :)
[10:31] <_ReDRuM_> heh.
[10:31] <KaiL> maybe with Xorg 6.9
[10:31] <psn> KaiL: it works best on nvidia cards
[10:31] <SuperCatFrog> burgermann - its part of kontact, if you use that (nice gui glue for kmail, ksync, akregator, tec)
[10:31] <KaiL> psn: "nv" or "nvidia"?
[10:31] <SuperCatFrog> (etc
[10:31] <burgermann> another question, how is KDE organized?? who decides which applications are developed and even more wonderous who pays for it?
[10:31] <_ReDRuM_> psn: cause its hardware accelerated with nvidia cards
[10:31] <SuperCatFrog> burgermann - nobody and nobody (except donations)
[10:31] <darkaudit> _ReDRuM_: you'll want blackbox to get bsetbg, aterm, and eterm
[10:31] <bhna> burgermann: in general nobody
[10:31] <psn> KaiL: nvidia's driver
[10:32] <SuperCatFrog> burgermann - all the kde apps are developed by people in their spare time (like i would if i could)
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> darkaudit: u was using eterm and friends before kde...
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> i like kde tho
[10:32] <kkathman> hey there SuperCatFrog !
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> i just wish it worked better
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[10:32] <SuperCatFrog> hi kkathman
[10:32] <burgermann> well that's gr8 that means no firm kan overtake it :p...
[10:32] <KaiL> psn: ugs.. I've tried it with a GF2 GTS - crash, crash, crash....
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: sure you can
[10:32] <uniq> _redrum_: i gave up the fglrx drivers myself.. the driver is a pice of shit.. I did it all on amd64 to make it even worse.. I don't need it anyway.
[10:32] <burgermann> can even :s
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: get a copy of kdevelop, download the qt dev source, google for "qt howto"
[10:33] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ unless somebody writes a vb5 interpritter, im stuck until i get round to learning c++ (which i do plan to do, when i get time)
[10:33] <darkaudit> _ReDRuM_: only reason I have eterm is to set my backgrounds in Fluxbox... look at the LintherBrushed config file...
[10:33] <psn> KaiL: ok I haven't tried it at all it's just what I've been told
[10:33] <darkaudit> LintherBrushed=Aqua-like style on Freshmeat
[10:33] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: learn C++ - or at least something with that syntax - and FORGET vb :p
[10:33] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: i get my 5000fps on glxgears... it will do...
[10:34] <KaiL> 5000?
[10:34] <burgermann> For what reason did you choose Ubuntu instead of e.g. Debian?
[10:34] <SuperCatFrog> kail - i know, i learned some vb when i was about 14, thought it was cool. now i wish i'd have spent that time learning a real language.
[10:34] <_ReDRuM_> Kail: cause yo ugot composite on
[10:34] <_ReDRuM_> and ATI driver doesnt do composite
[10:34] <_ReDRuM_> like i keep telling people
[10:34] <uniq> burgermann: updated packages. better for the desktop imho.
[10:34] <_ReDRuM_> so it will be using the mesa libs driver
[10:34] <SuperCatFrog> and they force us to learn vb at college (and only a tiny bit of c++ - didn't even get to structs)
[10:34] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: nop - outdated hardware :)
[10:34] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: oh :)
[10:34] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[10:34] <KaiL> K6-2/500 + G550
[10:34] <darkaudit> Ubuntu plays much better with my thumb drive :)
[10:35] <SuperCatFrog> im gonna go make a bru - back in a bit
[10:35] <KaiL> burgermann: because ubuntu still get's updated. debian doesn't
[10:35] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: do you need to wind it up while web browsing?
[10:35] <uniq> burgermann: amd64 support.
[10:35] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: c++ isnt that hard
[10:35] <burgermann> Oh, I installed ubuntu because of its philosophy :s
[10:35] <Borg^Queen> BBL people
[10:35] <_ReDRuM_> especially not with something like qt libs
[10:36] <_ReDRuM_> its probably about the same difficulty as vb
[10:36] <_ReDRuM_> u could always use python
[10:36] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: this box is quite ok, if you aren't one of this "can't wait 2sec" guys
[10:36] <_ReDRuM_> python will let you make apps fast supercatfrog
[10:36] <KaiL> hm? Borg^Queen is back?
[10:36] <KaiL> after that show yesterday?!
[10:37] <_ReDRuM_> no she left
[10:37] <KaiL> ok, "was back"
[10:38] <burgermann> I have this "controversial" idea that, if people really support piracy it's because they think that software should be free. I like that. Free software, free information. Naive but is lovely :p
[10:38] <_ReDRuM_> burgermann: keep telling yourself that while those torrents come in.,,
[10:38] <KaiL> burgermann: no
[10:39] <burgermann> _ReDRuM_, I'm not talking move or multimedia ;)
[10:39] <KaiL> most people stealing software I know think only "why should I pay for something, I can get for free?"
[10:39] <burgermann> move = movie
[10:39] <burgermann> Kail, no what?
[10:39] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: and the remaining ones are thinking "how much will people pay for this free software?" :)
[10:39] <__P__3> there is  the  kynaptic developer?
[10:39] <KaiL> those people wouldn't help on any opensource project, they only look for the personal profit
[10:40] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: wild generalisation
[10:40] <SuperCatFrog> back
[10:40] <_ReDRuM_> its just cause people dont see any consequence to their action
[10:40] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: of coz there are others
[10:40] <_ReDRuM_> as it doesnt have any obvious physical effect
[10:40] <_ReDRuM_> so they dont give a damn
[10:40] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - i know its not that hard, finding the time and committing myself to learning it is
[10:40] <_ReDRuM_> human nature
[10:40] <KaiL> but many of them doesn't care about other people in *any* way
[10:41] <burgermann> _ReDRuM_,, so u believe that you're just plain old mean, loving all the piracy you can get? :P
[10:41] <_ReDRuM_> what me?
[10:41] <_ReDRuM_> im definately plain old mean :)
[10:41] <_ReDRuM_> but do you mean me?
[10:42] <burgermann> Ouh?
[10:42] <SuperCatFrog> redrum - python eh?
[10:43] <burgermann> *dead lock*
[10:43] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - last week i thought to myself, which scripting language shall i have a dabble in? ive heard perl was hard so i tried python, then i got bored so i tried perl
[10:44] <SuperCatFrog> i found perl to be much nicer
[10:44] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: yeh, personally ive never bothered learning it preferring to slate it at every oppertunity i hear it is good for rapid development though, and all signs i have to admit point to that...
[10:44] <_ReDRuM_> perl is col
[10:44] <_ReDRuM_> cool
[10:44] <SuperCatFrog> didn't get very far though
[10:44] <_ReDRuM_> its not as easy as python :)
[10:44] <KaiL> perl is nice, as long as you don't need to understand other people's source
[10:44] <SuperCatFrog> _must_ stop being lazy. _must_ learn programming language
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> and the fact it isnt doesnt mean that its any better either
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> hard != good
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> hard == hard
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> seperate types :)
[10:45] <KaiL> in perl it's very easy to write code, nobody, not even yourself can understand :)
[10:45] <Kortor> I followed the instructions on the BinaryDriverHowto page on the wiki page for the X.Org ATI driver, and x won't load when I have it installed
[10:45] <SuperCatFrog> nono, !hard == good
[10:45] <SuperCatFrog> *no, no !hard == good
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: python then :)
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> or ruby
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> maybe you'll like ruby
[10:46] <KaiL> Kortor: module loaded?
[10:46] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: how about "sed scripts"
[10:46] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ i thought of that too. i figured by the end of the session that i might as well just not bother, and learn something i can get a job with like c++ (i was getting bored)
[10:46] <_ReDRuM_> they're quite funky too
[10:46] <KaiL> "X won't load" is really strange...
[10:47] <__P__3> riddel  are  you  there?
[10:47] <KaiL> which chip?
[10:47] <Kortor> KaiL: I don't remember the error.
[10:47] <__P__3> is there  a  a wishlist  of kynaptic?
[10:47] <Kortor> KaiL: It was something about fglrx
[10:47] <KaiL> __P__3: Riddell  that is (for highlighting)
[10:47] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: theres no reason you cant get a job with python or a scripting lang the majority of web development is done in scripting langs (php specifically)
[10:47] <SuperCatFrog> kortor- then there's sod all anybody can do (unless they know what you were doing at the time).
[10:47] <KaiL> Kortor: rumours are, error messages can help debugging
[10:47] <_ReDRuM_> plus you will find most coders know more than one language, right tool for the job
[10:48] <Riddell> someone called?
[10:48] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - ye, but web is so boring, its nice for a bit but then its the same thing for every website
[10:48] <_P_> yes Riddell
[10:48] <Riddell> _P_: nope, I' still to investigate the future of package managers
[10:48] <Kortor> KaiL: Heh, well, I could reconfigure it to use fglrx agaibn
[10:48] <Riddell> _P_: I need to look at Kapture to see if it'll be usable for breezy
[10:48] <Kortor> KaiL: I will, and I'll go check the error.
[10:48] <_P_> ah  ok
[10:48] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - i pulled my finger out a few months ago and started writing a website (learned css, _valid_ html4.01 strict and php), but i got distracted by crappy college
[10:48] <Kortor> KaiL: I changed it back to basic ati when it didn't work.
[10:48] <_P_> i wissh  to  see pack  divided  by sources
[10:49] <KaiL> ..."ati" or "radeon"? :)
[10:49] <_P_> and no synaptic  and  no kynaptic  can  do
[10:49] <_P_> maybe  is  a  filter  but  i cant  find  this featuers
[10:49] <_P_> *features
[10:49] <SuperCatFrog> kail - lol at the /topic
[10:50] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: allways nice for support problems :)
[10:50] <Kortor> KaiL: The ati driver. it was what it was originally configured as and what i set it back to when fglrx gave me the error
[10:51] <Kortor> KaiL: I have an ATI Radeon 9600 XT
[10:51] <psn> Riddell: last time I saw kapture it had a total mess for a ui
[10:51] <SuperCatFrog> is kortor the crazy bloke from yesterday that was typing really fast and using \n as punctuation?
[10:51] <Kortor> No.
[10:51] <SuperCatFrog> the one on anphetamines
[10:51] <Kortor> I wasn't here yesterday.
[10:51] <SuperCatFrog> o ok
[10:51] <KaiL> Kortor: ok, so 2D only without..
[10:51] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: really fast?
[10:52] <Riddell> psn: just like Kynaptic then :)
[10:52] <Kortor> KaiL: anyway, im gonna restart x now, load bitchx, then ill tell you what the errors are
[10:52] <SuperCatFrog> not so much really fast as typing like this \n he would use enter as puncuation \n like this \n
[10:52] <psn> Riddell: true
[10:52] <KaiL> Kortor: ok
[10:52] <_ReDRuM_> kotor: the ati drivers are a headache...
[10:52] <psn> Riddell: though I think kynaptic actually is usable for the simple case
[10:53] <_ReDRuM_> kynaptics probably good for noobs
[10:53] <_ReDRuM_> the less confusing the descrtions when your new the better
[10:53] <_ReDRuM_> and if your not a noob, you can install something else
[10:54] <Kortor> okay, now ill give you the error, KaiL
[10:54] <_P_> is  there  a  way  to  see pack  for repository?
[10:54] <Kortor> but I can't get it all, cause it went off the screen
[10:54] <KaiL> Kortor: http://pastebin.ca/ << paste theer
[10:55] <Kortor> KaiL: Okay. Does that page work with lynx?
[10:55] <SuperCatFrog> kortor - if your debugging X do this:
[10:55] <KaiL> I hope
[10:55] <SuperCatFrog> cat /var/log/Xorg.log.0 | grep EE
[10:55] <_P_> maybe  not :D
[10:56] <Kortor> SuperCatFrog: Some of the errors though had (WW) in front instead of (EE), so wouldn'
[10:56] <Kortor> wouldn't that not get all? or are those not important?
[10:56] <_ReDRuM_> WW's are always non-fatal
[10:56] <Kortor> okay
[10:57] <KaiL> Kortor: first the (EE)
[10:57] <SuperCatFrog> kortor - EE are the ones you want to catch - theyre fatal errors
[10:57] <KaiL> if then problems are left, we go over to the (WW)
[10:58] <Kortor> there is no file or directory /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[10:58] <SuperCatFrog> gimme a sec
[10:58] <KaiL> without the .0?
[10:58] <KaiL> Xorg.0.log
[10:58] <Kortor> none w/o the .0 either
[10:58] <SuperCatFrog> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep ee
[10:58] <_ReDRuM_> my x doesnt make a log unless i start it with startx
[10:58] <SuperCatFrog> oops
[10:58] <SuperCatFrog> grep EE
[10:59] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - mine does
[10:59] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: must be a setting somewhere
[10:59] <_ReDRuM_> it makes logs when it fails
[10:59] <SuperCatFrog> kortor - try using tab completion - cat /var/log/X[tab]
[10:59] <_ReDRuM_> so there should be one for him i guess :)
[10:59] <Kortor> Is there anyway to copy and paste in this just plain text thingie?
[10:59] <Kortor> since i cant highlight w/o a mouse. :(
[10:59] <SuperCatFrog> unless i started with startx when i was first setting up kubuntu and the logfiles are from then
[10:59] <_ReDRuM_> kotor apt-get install gdb
[11:00] <Kortor> what is gdb?
[11:00] <Kortor> does it allow me to copy paste?
[11:00] <_ReDRuM_> a plain text thinie cut and paster.
[11:00] <Kortor> cool
[11:00] <Kortor> ah, i already have it
[11:00] <Kortor> how does it work?
[11:00] <_ReDRuM_> type gdb
[11:00] <_ReDRuM_> mve the mouse
[11:00] <_ReDRuM_> select text
[11:01] <_ReDRuM_> it auto copies and the middle button pastes
[11:01] <_ReDRuM_> which u can do in X too btw but its flakey in a lot of modern apps
[11:01] <Kortor> i have no mouse, _ReDRuM_...
[11:01] <Kortor> I
[11:01] <Kortor> well what i mean is
[11:02] <Kortor> theres no mouse pointer or anything
[11:02] <Kortor> since x is foobarded
[11:02] <SuperCatFrog> try moving the mouse
[11:02] <Kortor> nothing happens
[11:02] <_ReDRuM_> its not gdb
[11:02] <SuperCatFrog> gdm
[11:02] <_ReDRuM_> yeh :0
[11:02] <SuperCatFrog> gdb is the debugger
[11:02] <Kortor> gdm is gnome display manager...
[11:02] <_ReDRuM_> i thought that was the gnome manager
[11:02] <Kortor> that lets me copy and paste?
[11:02] <_ReDRuM_> rofl
[11:02] <SuperCatFrog> oh crap
[11:02] <eliyahu>
[11:02] <_ReDRuM_> whats the goddam mouse program called
[11:03] <eliyahu>
[11:03] <Kortor> well anyway while you guys think of that ill start the bothersome task of typing a bunch of lines into pastebin
[11:03] <Kortor> :(
[11:03] <SuperCatFrog> gmgpm
[11:03] <SuperCatFrog> oops
[11:03] <SuperCatFrog> gpm
[11:03] <Kortor> 1337
[11:03] <Kortor> i got a mouse!
[11:03] <_ReDRuM_> gpm
[11:03] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[11:04] <SuperCatFrog> thank god i had my old gentoo installation around
[11:04] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[11:04] <Kortor> how do i copy with it?
[11:04] <_ReDRuM_> i was flickin through google, didnt helped them gpm jumped into my head and ive got the manpage installed
[11:04] <SuperCatFrog> highlight the text
[11:04] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[11:04] <Kortor> then how do i paste
[11:04] <_ReDRuM_> click the middle mouse button
[11:05] <Kortor> http://pastebin.ca/9570
[11:05] <Kortor> http://pastebin.ca/9570
[11:05] <Kortor> sorry
[11:05] <Kortor> thats awesome
[11:06] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody have a copy of the chillian national anthem, with words?
[11:06] <Kortor> gpm > *
[11:06] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: id rather have x running :)
[11:06] <Kortor> Me too
[11:06] <_ReDRuM_> whats your x problem btw?
[11:06] <Kortor> http://pastebin.ca/9570
[11:06] <Kortor> its that
[11:07] <Kortor> when i followed the instructions in the BinaryDriverHowto
[11:07] <Kortor> for the X.Org ATI Driver
[11:07] <SuperCatFrog> found it (after 5 years of looking, here: http://www.joeskitchen.com/chile/facts/chile-himno.mp3 )
[11:08] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: thats one long look :)
[11:08] <Kortor> heh
[11:08] <_ReDRuM_> why doesnt it have framebuffer loaded
[11:09] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ i heard it in the football (soccer) world cup in 2000 and have wanted it ever since (its the funnyest national anthem ever)
[11:09] <Kortor> i dunno, what is framebuffer?
[11:09] <SuperCatFrog> a graphical console kinda
[11:09] <Kortor> well, do i need it? and if i do how do i get it?
[11:09] <Kortor> rep heh
[11:09] <Kortor> oops
[11:09] <_ReDRuM_> kortor: kernel module that handles some graphic funtions, often used for big rpetty console
[11:09] <Kortor> .msg narg heh
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: how about
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> i just show u my xorg.conf
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> and u use that
[11:10] <narg> .msg narg?
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> )change rhe monitor bit)
[11:10] <sorin> They caught Brian Nichols 2 miles from where I live. Now, they closed my ex-high school, and SWAT is everywhere.  :D
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> and theres my xorg.conf
[11:11] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: lol
[11:11] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - you have a point - why doesn't ubuntu/kubuntu come with a framebuffer presetup?
[11:11] <_ReDRuM_> cause its not a console distro
[11:11] <_ReDRuM_> ?
[11:12] <SuperCatFrog> but it looks pretty on bootup
[11:12] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[11:12] <_ReDRuM_> you mite be able to turn it on by sending your kernel parameters vga=773 or somethin
[11:12] <_ReDRuM_> got no idea what that does but it turns framebuffer on in a coupel of other distros
[11:12] <Kortor> well, how do i set up a framebuffer
[11:12] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: just use that xorg.conf and see if it works first
[11:12] <Kortor> is that what i need?
[11:12] <Kortor> okay, redrum
[11:13] <SuperCatFrog> kortor - a framebuffer is an afterthought - once your distro is running perfectly, you should start trying to do stuff like framebuffers - make it work before you break it
[11:13] <_ReDRuM_> the only bit you MUST change
[11:13] <_ReDRuM_> is this: Section "Monitor
[11:13] <Kortor> okay
[11:13] <_ReDRuM_> eveyrthing in there, the 4 lines about horizontal sync, etc you MUST change
[11:14] <_ReDRuM_> failing to do so might blow up your monitor - use the section from your own xorg.conf
[11:14] <Kortor> mine is almost the same as yours, redrum
[11:14] <_ReDRuM_> tbh most modern monitors are smart enough to turn themselves off if u put dangerous numbers in there - ive seen a few wabble worringly for several minutes after :)
[11:14] <_ReDRuM_> almost doesnt count
[11:14] <Kortor> i know
[11:14] <_ReDRuM_> (tho its less dangerous)
[11:15] <Kortor> all its missin though is the 2 sync lines
[11:15] <_ReDRuM_> er
[11:15] <_ReDRuM_> ur suppose to have those
[11:15] <Kortor> peer
[11:15] <Kortor> well, that would be it
[11:15] <Kortor> but i never had em before
[11:15] <Kortor> all i ran between it workin wit ati drivers and not wit fglrx was a sed to replace ati with fglrx in the conf file
[11:16] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[11:16] <_ReDRuM_> i can guarantee you my xorg.conf works and i know exactly what everything is in there for i even commented most of it
[11:16] <_ReDRuM_> cause theres too much mis-information out there
[11:16] <Kortor> nod
[11:17] <Kortor> well, i can also guarantee you mine didnt have it before :P
[11:17] <Kortor> but i trust you
[11:17] <Kortor> here i go
[11:17] <_ReDRuM_> xorg is supposed to be able to do ddc detection on its own
[11:17] <_ReDRuM_> thats why
[11:17] <_ReDRuM_> it doesnt always goto plan tho.
[11:17] <Kortor> still didnt work
[11:17] <_ReDRuM_> same error?
[11:17] <Kortor> nod
[11:17] <Kortor> xactly
[11:18] <_ReDRuM_> lsmod | grep fb
[11:18] <Kortor> i didnt need to change the identifier in it, did i?
[11:18] <Kortor> thats not really important, is it?
[11:18] <_ReDRuM_> btw i notice u have a r200 device?
[11:18] <Kortor> i dunno
[11:18] <Kortor> what is that?
[11:19] <_ReDRuM_> er old radeons
[11:19] <_ReDRuM_> i think 9200 and below
[11:19] <Kortor> peer
[11:19] <Kortor> no
[11:19] <Kortor> its a 9600 XT
[11:19] <KaiL> 9250 still r200
[11:19] <KaiL> that's r300
[11:19] <_ReDRuM_> x seems to think he has an r200
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> or rather the ati driver does... er...
[11:20] <Kortor> :(
[11:20] <Kortor> peer
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> it says screens found but none have a usable config
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> so lets try filling in your ddc info
[11:20] <Kortor> okay
[11:20] <Kortor> whats my ddc info?
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> something fun for u to paste: dcprobe | grep ^monitorrange | sed 's/[^ ] * //'
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> er
[11:20] <Kortor> and do you still need that lsmod | grep fb?
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> ddcprobe | grep ^monitorrange | sed 's/[^ ] * //'
[11:21] <_ReDRuM_> yeh in a sec i wanna see if ddcprobe can pick up your h/vsync
[11:21] <Kortor> should i use sudo for that?
[11:21] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[11:21] <Kortor> it says /dev/mem: permission denied
[11:21] <Kortor> nod
[11:21] <_ReDRuM_> sorry i have the worst habits...
[11:21] <Kortor> 30-70, 50-120
[11:22] <_ReDRuM_> wow your monitor IS like mine isnt it :)
[11:22] <Kortor> :P
[11:22] <_ReDRuM_> so you see the section where mine says 50-120 in xorg.conf ?
[11:22] <Kortor> yeah
[11:22] <KaiL> Kortor: could you paste lspci | grep VGA?
[11:22] <_ReDRuM_> leave that one alone, and change the one that says 30-72 to 30-70
[11:22] <_ReDRuM_> and try that
[11:23] <Kortor> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600]
[11:23] <KaiL> k
[11:23] <Kortor> nod redrum
[11:23] <SuperCatFrog> this is the first distro (after i learned what was what) ive actually bothered to not be root for everyday stuff
[11:23] <_ReDRuM_> i dont see the point of sudo
[11:23] <_ReDRuM_> for me anyway
[11:23] <_ReDRuM_> ive had the sudo debate a million times :)
[11:23] <Kortor> i like sudo
[11:23] <Kortor> okay, redrum, did that
[11:24] <Kortor> should i try startx again?
[11:24] <_ReDRuM_> kortor cant hurt :)
[11:24] <SuperCatFrog> its better than su because root has more control over it. if you want to use it like su, you can (stops debating sudo v su now)
[11:24] <Kortor> same errors
[11:24] <_blackdog> are apt sources available for breezybadger yet?
[11:24] <_ReDRuM_> k try pasting the output of lsmod | grep fb
[11:25] <_ReDRuM_> into a query _redrum_ window or a pastebin
[11:25] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: or - alternatively - it just gives a user account that wouldnt normally need root access root access :)
[11:25] <KaiL> Kortor: rv350 is Radeon 9600 or 9600 Pro
[11:25] <_ReDRuM_> yeh its good for limited control
[11:25] <_ReDRuM_> but for a single user system of your own
[11:26] <KaiL> can't find a  "XT"...
[11:26] <_ReDRuM_> its only good to stop pasting crap in root windows
[11:26] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - but it does it in a more controlable way than su (not all or nothing)
[11:26] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: theyre the same thigns
[11:26] <KaiL> yes
[11:26] <KaiL> but maybe the driver doesn't know it?
[11:26] <_ReDRuM_> it should do
[11:26] <_ReDRuM_> its not that new a card
[11:27] <KaiL> why does it try to load the r200 driver?
[11:27] <_ReDRuM_> i dont know thats retarded
[11:27] <KaiL> ...as everybody can see "rv350"
[11:27] <SuperCatFrog> dog - walk
[11:27] <SuperCatFrog> back in bit
[11:28] <Kortor> test
[11:28] <_ReDRuM_> yes kortor it works :)
[11:28] <Kortor> im stuck in a query window i dunno how to close. i have to use /msg #kubuntu to talk
[11:29] <Kortor> so anyway. what do i do now?
[11:29] <Kortor> how do i make it know i dun have an r200?
[11:29] <KaiL> uhm, is the "radeon" kernel module loaded?
[11:29] <Kortor> dunno, how do I check?
[11:30] <_ReDRuM_>  i thought it was /window close
[11:30] <_ReDRuM_> maybe /close
[11:30] <KaiL> lsmod | grep radeon
[11:30] <Kortor> no, it isnt
[11:30] <Kortor> how do I load it? and will that allow my drivers to work?
[11:31] <KaiL> modprobe radeon
[11:31] <Kortor> sudo, i assume?
[11:31] <KaiL> btw. doesn't he need a special module from ati too?
[11:31] <KaiL> yes
[11:31] <Kortor> can I posta  4 line long error msg
[11:31] <Kortor> or do i have to use pastebin for that
[11:32] <KaiL> unresolved symbols?
[11:32] <Kortor> yeah
[11:32] <KaiL> ok...
[11:32] <Kortor> and cannot allocate memory
[11:32] <Kortor> but that is just warning
[11:32] <_ReDRuM_> md5sum /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[11:32] <KaiL> uname -r ?
[11:32] <_ReDRuM_> whats that say
[11:33] <Kortor> KaiL: 2.6.10-5-386
[11:33] <KaiL> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[11:33] <KaiL> install that package.
[11:33] <Kortor> already newest version
[11:33] <_ReDRuM_> what about the md5sum of that file?
[11:33] <KaiL> modprobe fglrx
[11:34] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[11:34] <Kortor> the md5sum gives me thios: 31705b56d51c90700e52aac5f5d961a3  /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[11:34] <_ReDRuM_> that is right...
[11:34] <KaiL> sorry, radeon is for the free driver, fglrx for the ati one.....
[11:34] <Kortor> should i try startx now?
[11:34] <KaiL> yes
[11:35] <Kortor> same errors still
[11:35] <KaiL> even the r200-line?
[11:35] <Kortor> yeah
[11:35] <_ReDRuM_> how about the command dmesg
[11:35] <KaiL> which chipset is the mainboard?
[11:36] <Kortor> redrum: wow, thats a lot of stuff
[11:36] <KaiL> via? intel? nvidia? ali? sis? amd?
[11:36] <_ReDRuM_> just the fireglx stuff :P
[11:36] <Kortor> intel Pentium 4
[11:36] <_ReDRuM_> thats the CPU
[11:36] <KaiL> chipset, not CPU :)
[11:36] <KaiL> but I guess intel too....
[11:36] <Kortor> dunno.
[11:36] <_ReDRuM_> lspci might give a clue
[11:37] <_ReDRuM_> lspci | grep 'PCI Bridge'
[11:37] <KaiL> lsmod | grep agp
[11:37] <Kortor> redrum: if there is anything about fireglx it got pushed off the screen by the tons of radeon error messages
[11:37] <KaiL> and intel-agp or intel-mch-agp?
[11:37] <Kortor> 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 12)
[11:37] <Kortor> intel-agp
[11:37] <_ReDRuM_> try change in xorg.conf the setting useinternalagpgart to "yes"
[11:38] <Kortor> ponder... i dont see that setting
[11:38] <_ReDRuM_> presume if he has intel pci bus he will have intel agp
[11:39] <_ReDRuM_> its in my xorg.conf if youve gone back to your one you should add it
[11:39] <Kortor> okay
[11:39] <_ReDRuM_> cause u should explicitly say one way or the other, off or on
[11:39] <_ReDRuM_> intel is the only thing that can possibly have it set to yes
[11:39] <Kortor> btw, about the r200 think. in my xorg.conf under screen it says
[11:39] <Kortor> Device          "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 XT (RV350 AR)"
[11:41] <Kortor> redrum, from yours it looks like i put it in device for the card? yes?
[11:41] <_ReDRuM_> yes
[11:41] <_ReDRuM_> you shoul dbe able to use that device secion from mine verbatim...
[11:42] <_ReDRuM_> might want to change the description to match yours
[11:42] <_ReDRuM_> and BusID
[11:42] <_ReDRuM_> the rest u could use without editing
[11:42] <Kortor> mine doesnt have tv out and stuff
[11:42] <_ReDRuM_> ive got it all switched off anyway
[11:42] <Kortor> my card
[11:42] <_ReDRuM_> so it wouldnt matter
[11:42] <Kortor> ah
[11:43] <Kortor> Option          useinternalagpgart "yes"
[11:43] <Kortor> like thaT?
[11:43] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[11:43] <_ReDRuM_> but
[11:43] <_ReDRuM_> with "'s around it
[11:43] <_ReDRuM_> Option "UseInternalAGPGART"         "yes"
[11:44] <Kortor> same erros
[11:44] <_ReDRuM_> pfft
[11:44] <_ReDRuM_> lsmod pci | grep agp
[11:44] <Kortor> does capitalization amtter for tyhat?
[11:44] <_ReDRuM_> grep -i agp
[11:44] <_ReDRuM_> now it doesnt
[11:45] <_ReDRuM_> lsmod | grep -i agp
[12:00] <TestDummy> Er, is there a way to make these GTK apps less ugly?
[12:00] <TestDummy> This looks so tacky right now..
[12:01] <Tm_T> TestDummy: try some other gtk engine/style
[12:01] <TestDummy> How?
[12:01] <Kortor> redrum: no such luck