[11:05] <ngoagr> erUSUL   i went to the site that u refert about the codecs (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats) but still having the same problem
[11:05] <dspstv> phisical
[11:05] <ngoagr> any help??
[11:05] <qjimbo> dspstv: go to a terminal and type "free" and press enter
[11:05] <dspstv> nice
[11:05] <dspstv> thanks
[11:06] <chris_> If I run something in the terminal window it locks up that terminal until the application is closed. Whats the command to run in "separate memory"?
[11:06] <qjimbo> no prob
[11:06] <varsendagger>  chris_ you can just put a & after it
[11:06] <varsendagger> startx &
[11:06] <erUSUL> chris_, run it with & after it
[11:06] <chris_> ah, I thought it was a #...thanks ;)
[11:07] <hedge> one more time, can anyone direct me to some instructions (possibly) on how to patch a vanilla kernel with ndiswrapper?
[11:07] <navarone> dsm> I stick with gnome...i find kde to cluttered and flashy for my taste
[11:07] <qjimbo> yeah I prefer Gnome
[11:07] <dragonbyte> what packages does cc1plus come in?
[11:08] <qjimbo> but people keep raving about the latest KDE so iunno which is best
[11:08] <hedge> navarone, don't forget buggy...:)
[11:08] <gimmulf> When i start gdm it seems like it aint using my new xorg.conf
[11:08] <navarone> hedge> I used kde in Mandrake 8.1-9.2 and always had probs with ppp daemon quitting on me...:/
[11:08] <gimmulf> i simply logout from fluxbox when i've edited xorg.conf but it doesnt use it
[11:08] <DsM> navarone, kewl i really like ubuntu thus far...
[11:08] <hedge> I run kde and find it ok but many bugs regarding the Admin mode
[11:09] <ScreaminIke> i LOVE ubuntu
[11:09] <dspstv> qjimbo i odnt see how to know how many ram chips a machine has with that free command. do you have an idea on how to know that?
[11:09] <erUSUL> gimmulf, Crtl + Alt + BackSpace
[11:09] <cafuego> qjimbo: Try both for a week (Gnome and KDE) then pick the one you like best.
[11:09] <ScreaminIke> i can't stay in windows for more than a coupla days anymore, or i get hives
[11:09] <gimmulf> oki erUSUL
[11:09] <myk3> hey
[11:09] <gimmulf> thanks
[11:09] <myk3> im trying to install gyach
[11:09] <ScreaminIke> know what made me decide on gnome?
[11:09] <TGM> What's the easiest way to update from Hoary to Breezy?
[11:10] <erUSUL> !breazy
[11:10] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, erUSUL
[11:10] <erUSUL> !breezy
[11:10] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[11:10] <navarone> lol
[11:10] <qjimbo> dspstv: hmm not sure about that one, I'm not sure if you can get that much detail
[11:10] <TGM> Awesome, thanks!
[11:10] <dspstv> k
[11:10] <ScreaminIke> the different desktops have different task-bars
[11:10] <ScreaminIke> so the two windows open in desktop 1 don't display in desktop 2
[11:10] <qjimbo> dspstv: on windows, there's a program called Cpuz, dunno if there's a linux equivalent
[11:10] <ScreaminIke> it's nice
[11:11] <dspstv> it tells me 155megas i wonder how that could be divided?
[11:11] <ScreaminIke> habla espaol?
[11:11] <navarone> Screamin> they do in kde?
[11:11] <cafuego> dspstv: 128 + 64 minus 32 used as video ram, probably.
[11:11] <ScreaminIke> yea they do
[11:11] <ScreaminIke> by default, they are minimized
[11:11] <ScreaminIke> but they are there
[11:11] <dspstv> cafuego, sounds like it..yea
[11:11] <ScreaminIke> cluttering the taskbar
[11:12] <nalioth> ScreaminIke: you wish a spanish speaking channel?
[11:12] <ScreaminIke> no
[11:12] <navarone> screamin> seem to defeat the purpose of seperate workplaces if everything is still shown in taskbar no matter what workplace you are on...
[11:12] <ScreaminIke> ubotu NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, erUSUL
[11:12] <ubotu> ScreaminIke: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:12] <qjimbo> dspstv: There's "cat /proc/meminfo"
[11:12] <DsM> ok i know this isnt the place for this.... but..... im not used to x-chat... how can i do the equivalent of a '/list <search string>' to find channels that have that string in it
[11:12] <qjimbo> still doesn't give the divisions though
[11:12] <dspstv> qjimbo, there you go..thats it
[11:12] <dspstv> )
[11:13] <dspstv> merci again
[11:13] <qjimbo> really? thats good ^^
[11:13] <navarone> dsm...go to windows cahnnel list and put in filter and enter
[11:13] <DESiBELi> hey how can i change linux login welcome message?
[11:13] <cafuego> DESiBELi: edit /etc/motd
[11:13] <cafuego> DESiBELi: Or /etc/issue
[11:14] <cafuego> issue is pre-login, motd is post-login
[11:14] <navarone> dsm> in windows/Channel List type <search term> in Regex field and enter or refresh list
[11:14] <gimmulf> gdm is still aint using my new xorg.conf, i have tried ctrl+alt+del at the gdm login screen :/
[11:14] <gimmulf> very wierd
[11:14] <plasticdoc> Hello, anyone here able to help with a Dapper Applications Menu problem?
[11:14] <cafuego> If ya can't fix problems, don't run dapper.
[11:15] <mrkoje> hello /all
[11:15] <SoulPropagation> http://ethan.homedns.org/ubuntu.svg what do y'all think of mah logo?
[11:15] <Azmodan> I have a friend who is trying to use the LiveCD but even if his BIOS is set up to boot on the CD, the screen just tells it tries to boot from CD, the drive revs but it still boots Windows from HD.  Can he create a boot floppy ?
[11:15] <tauno> Is there a good app for copying documents?  Like, scanning straight to the printer?
[11:15] <SoulPropagation> Azmodan: sounds like the CD isn't working
[11:15] <navarone> I'm betting next release will be termed "Philantrophic Pheasant:...any takers...<s>
[11:15] <plasticdoc> cafuego:  Well usually I can solve them, but this one is different...
[11:16] <gimmulf> Getting this in my Xorg.log  (EE) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed!  (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad)  (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available    :(
[11:16] <Azmodan> SoulPropagation, the CD works to read stuff from it in Windows.
[11:16] <gimmulf> any suggestions?
[11:16] <tauno> SoulPropagation, sounds like either the CD or drive is bad.
[11:16] <SoulPropagation> Azmodan: maybe the booty part is messed up.
[11:17] <Azmodan> SoulPropagation, that's why I'd like to try the boot floppy thing.
[11:17] <navarone> Azmodan> did your friend burn image to cd or doa data burn and put the iso on cd?
[11:17] <SoulPropagation> Azmodan: no, the actual plastic thing. try burning another
[11:17] <Azmodan> navarone, shipit
[11:17] <navarone> ahh
[11:18] <gimmulf> Anyone know howto see what config X uses when starting it?
[11:19] <navarone> cafuego> maybe you need #ubuntu-large print
[11:19] <krak`nix> Is there a media player similar to amaroK, but designed for Gnome?
[11:19] <varcoder> I'm not sure, I enjoy using MPlayer myself.
[11:19] <lillpelle> gimmulf: have a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. I have a line. (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[11:19] <SoulPropagation> krak`nix: gmplayer
[11:20] <varcoder> SoulPropagation, how is gmplayer? I've never heard much about it.
[11:20] <gimmulf> lillpelle:  it shows the correct one :/
[11:20] <gimmulf> lillpelle: it says: (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"   and thats my new config, but ive added dual screens stuff + xinerama things. Still get same configuration as before with same res on both screens (clone desktops)
[11:21] <SoulPropagation> varcoder: good, but i haven't played around with it much
[11:21] <krak`nix> hmm do you have a url?
[11:21] <krak`nix> or is it mplayer? i dont see a 'gmplayer' anywhere
[11:21] <varcoder> SoulPropagation, alright.
[11:21] <SoulPropagation> krak`nix: it's part of mplayer
[11:21] <_menza> Wow
[11:21] <krak`nix> oh :(
[11:21] <gimmulf> getting some errors in that log though lillpelle  (EE) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed! (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available
[11:22] <navarone> cafuego> i have dl'ed a compiled xchat 2.6 because I could not get compile and make to work. Should I uninstall xchat first? Will I need to reinstall gnome-xchat afterwards and is it safe to install debs compiled by a stranger?
[11:22] <krak`nix> im looking more for a standalone music player
[11:22] <krak`nix> with nice playlist and collection features like amarok
[11:22] <qjimbo> xmms?
[11:22] <lillpelle> gimmulf: hmm, I don't know what can be wrong, never tried xinerama... :(
[11:22] <qjimbo> rhythmbox?
[11:22] <navarone> krak> have you tried xmss?
[11:22] <SoulPropagation> krak`nix: yeah, xmms is great for music
[11:22] <varcoder> xmms.
[11:22] <SoulPropagation> krak`nix: it's the winamp of linux
[11:22] <qjimbo> yeah bad thing about xmms is no media library
[11:23] <krak`nix> ya, i was just going to say
[11:23] <krak`nix> xmms is more like winamp
[11:23] <qjimbo> I love Winamp 5's media lib
[11:23] <SoulPropagation> i hate libraries
[11:23] <SoulPropagation> i just stick all my music in the same folder
[11:23] <qjimbo> really?
[11:23] <krak`nix> im looking for something with a library type thing :p
[11:23] <qjimbo> lol omg
[11:23] <krak`nix> amarok's is -very- nice
[11:23] <varcoder> SoulPropagation, that's very untidy.
[11:23] <varcoder> :p
[11:23] <qjimbo> I've never used it
[11:23] <cafuego> krak`nix: rhythmbox
[11:23] <qjimbo> and amarok is on linux?
[11:23] <SoulPropagation> varcoder: it's all in the same place
[11:23] <krak`nix> but sometimes i get weird errors because im not using kde i guess
[11:23] <krak`nix> ya amarok is a linux player
[11:24] <qjimbo> yeah
[11:24] <fissy> try muine :D
[11:24] <qjimbo> hmm
[11:24] <navarone> qjimbo> when I relax with music I am usually using file browser anyway to start songs...however it would be nice if xmss provided a right click menu to enqueue files to playlist
[11:24] <qjimbo> I mean I thought Gnome was supposed to let KDE stuff run now
[11:24] <krak`nix> i was using muine for awhiile and was really liking how simple it was
[11:24] <qjimbo> yeah
[11:24] <krak`nix> but it kept locking up when i would leave it play over night
[11:24] <fissy> that's unfortunate
[11:25] <myk3> can someone help me
[11:25] <myk3> ?
[11:25] <navarone> krak> i couldn't get amarok to play ball in gnome either...that's why i use xmss...suit my needs
[11:25] <fissy> we can try
[11:25] <myk3> im trying to install gyach
[11:25] <qjimbo> yeah I'm using XMMS right this second
[11:25] <qjimbo> listening to the spiderman 2 soundtrack, how cool am I
[11:25] <apokryphos> qjimbo: using xmms? Very uncool
[11:25] <varcoder> SoulPropagation, yeah, depending on the genres of music you enjoy listening to, I mean if its only rock then it's satisfactory.. but if its all mixed up its quite irksome..
[11:25] <navarone> qjimbo> I usually will place xmss and file browser in 2nd workplace and just go back and forth as I need
[11:26] <varcoder> For me however.
[11:26] <krak`nix> i wish amarok wasnt specific to kde, its such a nice program :(
[11:26] <qjimbo> oooh
[11:26] <qjimbo> I thought you were just mistyping xmms
[11:26] <qjimbo> XD
[11:26] <apokryphos> krak`nix: you can use it on gnome just fine
[11:26] <krak`nix> certain things dont work though
[11:26] <krak`nix> im using it right now ;9
[11:26] <SoulPropagation> krak`nix: same
[11:26] <apokryphos> like what?
[11:27] <krak`nix> mm when i try and browse folders
[11:27] <myk3> anyone
[11:27] <myk3> ?
[11:27] <krak`nix> says could not find program kfmclient
[11:27] <fissy> myk3, what's the problem you're having with gyach?
[11:28] <myk3> i am trying to install it and i get errors
[11:28] <qjimbo> what errors?
[11:28] <apokryphos> krak`nix: that's a bug; if you have time, try to report it.
[11:28] <myk3> where can i post them?
[11:28] <fissy> send me a private message
[11:28] <fissy> with the errors
[11:28] <myk3> k
[11:28] <SoulPropagation> http://ethan.homedns.org/ubuntu.svg what do y'all think of mah logo?
[11:28] <myk3> i think i deleted the damn pkg
[11:28] <myk3> hold on a sec
[11:28] <varcoder> krak`nix, yes, you should post the bug on bugzilla, get the right people to sort it out. :)
[11:28] <qjimbo> hmm haven't got an svg viewer on here SP
[11:29] <cyphase> can you mount a .img file in linux?
[11:29] <wastrel> hello
[11:29] <erUSUL> myk3, in pastebin
[11:29] <wastrel> i'm upgrading to breezy
[11:29] <erUSUL> !pastebin
[11:29] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:29] <myk3> im re-downloading it now
[11:29] <fissy> cyphase, normally img files are just renamed iso files
[11:29] <qjimbo> yeah cyphrase I think you can, not sure how offhand though
[11:29] <cyphase> k, thanx
[11:30] <krak`nix> well its because im using gnome i think
[11:30] <qjimbo> cyphase: http://steinsoft.net/index.php?site=Programming/Articles/linux-mountiso
[11:30] <krak`nix> the program is based on kde or something, same error when i try and launch links from it
[11:30] <korhalf> sup
[11:30] <myk3> fissy i sent it to you
[11:31] <eternalist> man im so bored with linux...
[11:31] <eternalist> i just set up samba with my other comps and xbox and im out of thigns to do
[11:31] <wastrel> i wish i were bored
[11:31] <_cw_> To install my videocard drivers I'm supposed to input this: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<your-kernel-version> xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:31] <fissy> myk3, i haven't recieved it. right click on me and open dialog window, then paste it into there
[11:31] <erUSUL> cyphase, mount /tmp/*.img /mnt -t iso9660 -o loop=/dev/loop0
[11:31] <wastrel> there's always things that get screwed up
[11:31] <_cw_> what is my kernel varsion exactly?
[11:31] <eternalist> wastrel, well theres one thing i have that i need to get working..and thats my 3d acceleration with my ati chip.
[11:31] <Swedish_Chef> can i load additional drivers during normal ubuntu setup?
[11:31] <wastrel> forexample why can't i print?
[11:31] <_cw_> what do I type?
[11:31] <eternalist> _cw_, uname to check
[11:31] <Swedish_Chef> from a floppy, that is
[11:32] <jack-> uname -r
[11:32] <myk3> eternalist ur xbox moded?
[11:32] <wastrel> eternalist that's easy with ubuntu there's howtos
[11:32] <myk3> if so what dash u use
[11:32] <pepsi> should i use LVM or not?
[11:32] <_cw_> eternal: yea but what out of that string should I put in there
[11:32] <eternalist> _cw_, uname -r to be exact like jack stated
[11:32] <eternalist> myk3, yea i use xbox media center
[11:32] <myk3> fissy i sent it again
[11:32] <erUSUL> _cw_,  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:32] <myk3> yea me to
[11:32] <fissy> cw, you could do it in synaptic, if you've got the latest 686 kernel you'd want the latest 686 restricted module set
[11:32] <eternalist> wastrel, its not easy..i follow them, but i get a black screen and X hangs
[11:32] <_cw_> srUSIl ah...a variable....
[11:32] <myk3> eternalist: i use the new XBMC with the built in dvd player
[11:33] <eternalist> myk3, oh theres a new one?
[11:33] <eternalist> i gotta upgrade then eh
[11:33] <eternalist> from the usual places..
[11:33] <qjimbo> AHA I fixed my pixmap problem!
[11:33] <qjimbo> I didn't copy across the permissions
[11:33] <myk3> yea its good
[11:33] <jack-> xbmc still gets updated like every 2 weeks
[11:33] <myk3> umm yea
[11:33] <lightbright> qjimbo: Well DOne! :)
[11:33] <eternalist> myk3, unless you mind uploading it somewhere so i can grab it
[11:33] <myk3> lol
[11:33] <myk3> fissy
[11:33] <myk3> i guess u cant hear me
[11:33] <myk3> lol
[11:33] <myk3> umm
[11:33] <Tronex> Hi there
[11:33] <lightbright> jack-: you have a 360?
[11:33] <qjimbo> lol thanks lightbright ^^
[11:33] <lightbright> qjimbo: :)
[11:33] <jack-> nah
[11:33] <myk3> what distro u useing
[11:33] <myk3> ?
[11:34] <eternalist> jack-,  i understand, but there isnt GREAT leaps of improvement between the nightly releases and whatever else.
[11:34] <fissy> me? ubuntu
[11:34] <jack-> true that
[11:34] <myk3> u know the uk server
[11:34] <myk3> ?
[11:34] <Tronex> Does anyone know a good online rpg game for linux?
[11:34] <jack-> but sometimes there's decent new stuff
[11:34] <erUSUL> !enter
[11:34] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[11:34] <_cw_> erUSUL: I get this: Couldn't stat source package list http://se.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Pa ckages (/var/lib/apt/lists/se.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_main_binary -amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:34] <_cw_> sorry for flooding...
[11:34] <Tronex> my g/f plays project entropia on a windows ws, but i cannot get it to work with wine...
[11:34] <myk3> how do i register?
[11:34] <cyphase> is there a tool to format hard drive image file?
[11:35] <logical_mark> Hey guys what is a good linux alternitive for Partiotion Magic?
[11:35] <jack-> qtparted
[11:35] <logical_mark> thanks jack
[11:35] <jack-> np
[11:35] <Tronex> gparted
[11:35] <fissy> myk3,  probable /m nickserv register $password
[11:35] <fissy> but its years since i did it
[11:35] <erUSUL> _cw_, try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:35] <jack-> gparted = gnome
[11:35] <jack-> qtparted = any desktop
[11:35] <_cw_> erUSUL: What does that do?
[11:35] <myk3> it says im registered
[11:36] <qjimbo> Tronix: You could try buying Cedega (commercial Wine designed for gaming), or you could do a search for rpg games on sourceforge.net, there's quite a few I think
[11:36] <fissy> then /m nickserv identify $password to be 'logged in'
[11:36] <lisette> why can't i choose terminus from the gnome font selector after i've installed the font?
[11:36] <Tronex> thought about buying cedega... tried the cvs version and didnt get it to work either unfortunately.
[11:36] <erUSUL> _cw_ upgrade your installed packages just to make sure you are up to date
[11:37] <wastrel> "hello"
[11:37] <tescoil> Is there something like a little "run program" dialog in ubuntu, or do you gotta launch all command lines from terminal?
[11:37] <_cw_> righto, thanks. You guys in here are so helpful. Never saw anything like it ;)
[11:37] <myk3> fissy: http://pastebin.com/439096
[11:37] <eternalist> jack-, qtparted uses the qt libs..or basically KDE type shit
[11:37] <Tronex> good question tescoil ;-)
[11:37] <eternalist> jack-, why use either anyway, just use cfdisk
[11:37] <qjimbo> yeah I was thinking of cfdisk
[11:37] <erUSUL> tescoil, you can add a comand promt to the panel
[11:38] <varcoder> I prefer fdisk, I don't understand why people have a hard time with it.
[11:38] <tescoil> hm, okay.
[11:38] <wastrel> there's a keyboard shortcut for popping up a run dialog
[11:38] <logical_mark> Hey how do I mount a SATA drive?
[11:38] <Tronex> erUSUL, thanks man... didnt come up with this myself ;-)
[11:38] <qjimbo> varcoder: it's the commandlinephobia people have
[11:38] <wastrel> i forget what it is tho, i always have a terminal running
[11:38] <varcoder> qjimbo, heh, okay.
[11:39] <myk3> fissy: did u get that
[11:39] <myk3> ?
[11:39] <HedgeMage> myk3: did you get my last before I disconnected?
[11:39] <wastrel> tescoil, alt-f2 opens a run dialog
[11:39] <fissy> myk3, yes, i'm just compiling it myself
[11:39] <myk3> ook
[11:39] <myk3> thnk
[11:40] <Knowerrors> what is the ubuntu auto udate manager called?  I want to install it to kubuntu to handle security updates
[11:40] <champa> !w32codecs
[11:40] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[11:40] <HedgeMage> myk3: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup  (if you haven't already seen it)
[11:40] <fissy> myk3, works fine for me
[11:40] <myk3> fissy: this is what i went to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=82567&highlight=gyach
[11:40] <tescoil> wastrel, now that's what I'm talking about
[11:40] <ZeZu> is ubuntu installer on more than one disc ?
[11:40] <tescoil> thanks.
[11:40] <ZeZu> i want to reinstall it and i only see one cd
[11:40] <qjimbo> yeah there's only one
[11:41] <ZeZu> great ;)
[11:41] <ZeZu> ty
[11:41] <qjimbo> pretty good going really
[11:41] <_cw_> erUSUL, Now I get this error instead: chris@gamma:~$ sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-"uname -r" xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:41] <_cw_> _cw_ Reading package lists... Done
[11:41] <_cw_> _cw_ Building dependency tree... Done
[11:41] <_cw_> _cw_ E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules-uname -r
[11:41] <qjimbo> considering my old copy of SuSE 6.4 had 6 disks @_@
[11:41] <fissy> myk3, to install i did this: downloaded latest file from the website, right clicked on the tar.gz and chose extract. then opened a terminal and cd to the newly extracted folder of stuff
[11:41] <logical_mark> Hey how do I mount a SATA drive?
[11:41] <wastrel> tescoil, view/modify keyboard shortcuts in system->preferences->keyboard shortcuts   go crazy :]
[11:41] <fissy> myk3, then you need to compile the software run ./configure --prefix=/usr
[11:41] <myk3> what pkg did u use
[11:41] <myk3> ?
[11:41] <erUSUL> _cw_, is tis caracter ` not this "
[11:41] <fissy> myk3, then: make
[11:41] <erUSUL> this*
[11:42] <lightbright> where do I extract an app and then how do I then add it to the Applications/Internet Menu?
[11:42] <fissy> myk3, then: make install
[11:42] <_cw_> erUSUL, tried that too
[11:42] <_cw_> erUSUL, same error
[11:42] <varsendagger> anyone know how to find urls for internet TV?
[11:42] <lightbright> is it in /bin ?
[11:42] <fissy> myk3, i didn't use a package as such, i used http://www4.infi.net/~cpinkham/gyach/code/gyach-0.9.4.tar.gz
[11:42] <myk3> thnx
[11:42] <myk3> ill try it
[11:43] <guydebord> HAve a question concerning laptop with panoramic screen.  Installed ubuntu with GNOME desktop on an ACER aspire 1410 with a 1280 x 800 screen.  THe screen is all streched out horizontally.
[11:43] <tescoil> that problem solved, anyone know of a drag-and-drop mp3 to wav converter?
[11:43] <erUSUL> _cw_,  is not the single quote either ' is this `
[11:43] <lightbright> where do I extract an app and then how do I then add it to the Applications/Internet Menu?
[11:43] <_cw_> erUSUL, oh... lemme try ;)
[11:43] <guydebord> Cant find the correct resolutions in settings in preferences either.
[11:43] <dooglus> tescoil: audacity?
[11:44] <_cw_> erUSUL, Yay! ;) Thanks
[11:44] <erUSUL> _cw_, '` can you see the difference? i use a spanish keyboard and i have it with ^ and [
[11:44] <besfred> where can i define the media player that is launched when pressing a multimedia key?
[11:44] <besfred> in gnome, that is
[11:44] <guydebord> I tried changing setting in the rebooting screen but froze the computer. Any ideas? I saw an ubuntu laptop channel too.
[11:45] <navarone> guy> thats a weird resolution...is it because it's a laptop?
[11:45] <tescoil> dooglus, not what I had in mind.  Something where you could drag say ten or twenty files, click, queue them through mpg321 -w
[11:45] <guydebord> yes.
[11:45] <tescoil> or something like that.
[11:45] <guydebord> it has a really wide screen
[11:45] <myk3> fissy what does this mean?    ./configure --prefix=/usr
[11:45] <myk3> where usr means my user name?
[11:45] <DsM> ok how can i make xp my default OS in grub? i cannot find grub.conf anywhere
[11:45] <fissy> it means run the program called configure in the present directory with the option prefix=/usr
[11:45] <tescoil> If I was handier with gui widgets I'd whip it up myself, but figure trivial enough someone else has done it already anyway.
[11:46] <dooglus> DsM: it's /boot/grub/menu.conf
[11:46] <logical_mark> Hey could anyone point me to how to mount a SATA Hard drive?
[11:46] <philliph> do you use an smp kernel for hyperthreading?
[11:46] <DsM> thanks dooglus
[11:46] <fissy> myk3, no, just copy and paste "./configure --prefix=/usr" without the quotes and press enter
[11:46] <myk3> o ok
[11:46] <myk3> k
[11:46] <myk3> when i do make i get a error
[11:46] <fissy> what's the error?
[11:46] <DsM> dooglus, no that does not exist
[11:46] <guydebord> THe exact specifications are 15.4" WXGA (1280 x 800)
[11:46] <erUSUL> myk3, no is the folder. (i prefer using /usr/local for compiled things though)
[11:46] <gnomefreak> gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:47] <dooglus> DsM: it's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:47] <wastrel> eew gedit
[11:47] <DsM> thanks gnomefreak
[11:47] <gnomefreak> yw
[11:47] <tescoil> myk3. like that you don't have make on board?
[11:47] <myk3> why is that
[11:47] <myk3> no it is trying
[11:47] <wastrel> it's a sad state of affairs that everyone is using gedit anymore :[
[11:47] <gnomefreak> gedit=gnome edit :(
[11:48] <dooglus> wastrel: good idea.  let's start an editor war.
[11:48] <tescoil> BRING BACK TECO.
[11:48] <fissy> vi sucks
[11:48] <tescoil> We need an editor where every sequence of ASCII is a command.
[11:49] <dooglus> tescoil: that's the case in GNU Emacs
[11:49] <fissy> nooooo
[11:49] <fissy> every sequence of UTF-16
[11:49] <DsM> dooglus, how do i know which number to put for win XP (sorry im used to the graphical admin for grub)
[11:49] <myk3> i dont even think the  ./configure --prefix=/usr worked
[11:49] <dooglus> DsM: 3
[11:49] <DsM> dooglus, how do you know that?
[11:49] <ardchoille> Firefox won't connect to any sites. In Fedora I had to add "alias net-pf-10 off" to /etc/modprobe.conf to get FF to connect. What do I do in Ubuntu 5.10 to connect?
[11:49] <fissy> myk3, set up the nickname registration so you can copy and paste me the output a bit quicker
[11:50] <myk3> k
[11:50] <dooglus> DsM: 0 is ubutu; 1 is recovery mode; 2 is memtest; 3 is XP
[11:50] <myk3> i tried and it said my password was wrong
[11:50] <tescoil> TECO remains the best editor for coding UNICAL.
[11:50] <Tronex> Anyone know a great linux online game (client-based)?
[11:50] <dooglus> DsM: (usually)
[11:50] <fissy> unical sucks, use intercal ;-)
[11:50] <navarone> tronex> try scorched3d...
[11:51] <DsM> dooglus, it shows that i have 2 kernels listed
[11:51] <theconartist> Tronex, americas army, ut2k4
[11:51] <navarone> tronex>or bztank...or is it bzflag...? not sure
[11:51] <tescoil> excuse me, i meant intercal.
[11:51] <Tronex> Hehe... already tried. Great graphics, smooth gameplay and advanced 3D... just unfortunately not my type of game. ;-)
[11:51] <dooglus> DsM: ok, maybe 5 then?
[11:51] <SoulPropagation> ut2k4 is for linux? o-o woooooo
[11:51] <dooglus> DsM: you get a regular and a recovery mode for each kernel, plus memtest.
[11:51] <theconartist> SoulPropagation, yes
[11:51] <Tronex> bzflag it is. Its similar to scorched3d
[11:51] <dooglus> DsM: basically, counting starts from 0
[11:51] <SoulPropagation> theconartist: like i said, woooooo
[11:51] <DsM> can i delete the older kernels in the list?
[11:52] <theconartist> i still think americas army is better
[11:52] <dooglus> DsM: better to uninstall them, or they'll keep coming back
[11:52] <ardchoille> What do I need to do to get Firefox to connect to a site? It times out on all sites.
[11:52] <navarone> dsm...you can use synaptic to delte old kernels once you see that they are stable
[11:52] <richard> 101352
[11:52] <theconartist> my favorite game so far
[11:52] <besfred> where in ubuntus gnome can i define the media player that is launched when pressing a multimedia key?
[11:52] <myk3> fissy it keeps telling me that my nick is allready registerd
[11:52] <dooglus> DsM: whenever a kernel gets updated the boot.lst gets re-written
[11:52] <lisette> where can i find the msttcorefonts package?
[11:52] <DsM> do i have to do anything after i finish editing this file besides reboot to see if it worked?
[11:52] <dooglus> !msftcorefonts
[11:52] <ubotu> dooglus: Do they come in packets of five?
[11:53] <gnomefreak> !fonts
[11:53] <myk3> fissy im gonna change my nick
[11:53] <ubotu> [fonts]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[11:53] <fissy> maybe your nick is already registered ;-) paste the output of ./configure --prefix=/usr on pastebin then
[11:53] <DsM> navarone, how do i use synaptic?
[11:53] <navarone> dsm> synaptic is where you install the programs
[11:53] <mwe> hmm
[11:53] <pepsi> should i use LVM?
[11:53] <lightbright> where are the Icons stored?
[11:53] <navarone> dsm>system/admin/synaptic
[11:53] <DsM> navarone, under add applications?
[11:54] <guydebord> HAve a question concerning laptop with panoramic screen.  Installed ubuntu with GNOME desktop on an ACER aspire 1410 with a 1280 x 800 screen.  THe screen is all streched out horizontally.
[11:54] <DsM> ahhhh
[11:54] <DsM> ok
[11:54] <fissy> wb Mchipser
[11:54] <DsM> navarone, after i edit the menu.lst do i have to do anything else?
[11:54] <Knowerrors> Anyone here try or heard of SimpleKDE (www.simplekde.org) , Im about to compile and install it
[11:54] <fissy> guydebord, what resolution does the gnome preferences think you're using?
[11:54] <navarone> dsm> you can uninstall thru synaptic and all the editing is done for you
[11:55] <gnomefreak> lightbright,  usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-about-logo.png
[11:55] <julesv> julesv pops a couple of chillers and has a draw and he's listenin to beethovens 9th sym
[11:55] <lightbright> gnomefreak: thanks
[11:55] <gnomefreak> yw
[11:55] <DsM> navarone, i mean when im done selecting the defualt
[11:55] <Mchipser> fissy
[11:55] <Mchipser> u there
[11:55] <Mchipser> it is Myk3
[11:55] <fissy> hi
[11:56] <navarone> dsm> I have upgraded from i383 to i686 and then to k7 for my amd processor...and no probs...grub is editted automatically
[11:56] <julesv> he's feelin like he's chillin on the nautilus, with captain nemo
[11:56] <lightbright> gnomefreak: I dont have a folder  usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-about-logo.png
[11:56] <guydebord> good question.  Know the command+
[11:56] <Euse> anyone know , how can i play counter strike in linux?:(:(: please i wanna kill a terrorist!!
[11:56] <navarone> dsm? sry...didn't realize you meant that...my bad
[11:56] <Tronex> isnt there any nice online rpg for linux available? like anarchy online or project entropia?
[11:56] <philliph> SHould i be using an smp kernel for hyper threading
[11:56] <BlueNinja> I'm having an installation problem...
[11:57] <fissy> guydebord, if you go on System> Preferences> Screen resolution, it should tell you
[11:57] <darren> Can anybody tell me how I can install and run a .run file?
[11:57] <julesv> no talkin, just rockin slow n snoozin low, sleepin sound on a submarine
[11:57] <DsM> navarone, ok where under synaptic is hte old kernel?
[11:57] <lightbright> gnomefreak: I created a link to limewire in menu and want to add an icon to it!  How do I do this?
[11:57] <guydebord> 1024 x 768
[11:57] <piksi> hi, anyone here with some knowledge on kernel compiling? i'm compiling the newest vanilla stable kernel and getting this error http://pi-xi.net/kernelpanic.jpeg... i haven't compiled it with initrd
[11:57] <DsM> navarone, sorry im slow at this
[11:57] <guydebord> ANd the settings I want arent there
[11:57] <ardchoille> Anyone in this channel have any experience in Linux?
[11:57] <lightbright> ardchoille: we are all beginners
[11:57] <guydebord> I tried changing setting in the rebooting screen but froze the computer. Any ideas? I saw an ubuntu laptop channel too.
[11:58] <julesv> dreamin about whales n penguins in the long boat
[11:58] <ardchoille> lightbright, well, I guess I am in the wrong channel then
[11:58] <Euse> anyone know , how can i play counter strike in linux?:(:(: please i wanna kill a terrorist!!
[11:58] <gnomefreak> lightbright, right click it in menu and add to launcher once there if you right click it and go to properties than click the icon it will give you choices
[11:58] <Knowerrors> What is the Ubuntu Update program called, the one that behaves similar to Windows Update, has a little icon that comes up in the corner for auto security updates?
[11:58] <piksi> Euse: go to #cedega
[11:58] <zapada2> what kernel version does Ubuntu 5.10 have?
[11:58] <piksi> Knowerrors: it's a gnome program
[11:58] <fissy> guydebord, in the rebooting screen? also, please mention my name in messages so i can see you
[11:58] <lightbright> gnomefreak: it opens to pixmaps folder
[11:58] <darren> Can anybody tell me how I can install and run a .run file?
[11:58] <piksi> zapada2: afaik 2.6.12-10
[11:58] <gnomefreak> lightbright,  those are the icons
[11:58] <ardchoille> if I can't connect to any websites, then I can't learn anything about Ubuntu
[11:58] <topyli> Knowerrors: update-notifier IIRC
[11:58] <zapada2> piksi, by default?
[11:59] <piksi> zapada2: well i had -9 but it updated to -10 with apt-get
[11:59] <BlueNinja> I can't get my computer to recognize the ubuntu cd. What's wrong?
[11:59] <julesv> strummin again on his tortoise mandolin, sippin sweet grog
[11:59] <DsM> navarone, i dont see how i can tell where my old one is
[11:59] <zapada2> ty
[11:59] <piksi> anyone else here compiling their own kernel?
[11:59] <navarone> dsm> when you fire up synaptic chose "status" at bottom left and then click installed tos ee all installed packages...scroll down to where "linux" entries begin and find kernel you want to uninstall. I find selecting the approp image file will then select all relevant files as well
[11:59] <darren> gnomefreak, do you have any knowledge of .run files?


[06:53] <Denis> test test test
[13:45] <moveslow> Hello everyone and Happy New Year!
[13:46] <moveslow> I do have a question. Is there a way to remove Firefox without deleting lubuntu-desktop* ?
[20:12] <log`> Hey all. I've been running 19.10, and unfortunately didn't do a release upgrade before it hit EOL. When I finally got around to it, do-release-upgrade just let me know that my release was EOL. I edited the sources.list file and replaced eoan with focal, and i managed to do a apt-get update and dist-upgrade against the focal repositories. lsb_release -a and do-release-upgrade now both report me as running
[20:12] <log`> 20.04, and apt-get reports that my packages are all up to date. My problem is, after a reboot, when I try to log in at the lock screen, the screen hangs as soon as I hit enter, after entering the password. I can ctrl+alt+F2 to get into a tty, which is how I'm writing this right now..
[20:13] <log`> If anyone has an idea of how to troubleshoot this, I'd be most appreciative, as I would much prefer to repair my current installation, rather than having to do a clean reinstall.
[20:14] <log`> Oh, and happy new year, by the way :)
[20:58] <tomreyn> log`: i don'T know the very answer, but generally, with such post upgrade issues, you may want to ensure you have the flavour meta package installed (lubuntu-desktop), review apt misconfigurations (by inspecting configured apt sources, running 'apt update' and 'apt full-upgrade'), review leftover foreign packages and package versions (using tools such as apt-forktracer, deborphan), clean up old configurations and caches in your home directory.
[20:59] <log`> tomreyn: Thank you so much, that's very helpful. I'll investigate further.
[21:00] <tomreyn> seeting up a new user account temporarily and trying to login with that can hint on which area the problem is in - either something is off in your existing $HOME (login should work fine with new user account), or it's a system-wide issue (missing, wrongly versioned packages)
[21:00] <tomreyn> log`: ^
[21:00] <log`> Excellent suggestion, I'll start there
[21:00] <tomreyn> dont forget to remove this user in the end.
[21:04] <log`> Okay, trying with a freshly created user, the problem seems to manifest itself in the same way, BUT, after I log in and the login screen appears to hang, a Steam installer window popped up over the screen prompting me to complete the Steam installation for the current user.
[21:05] <log`> This leads me to believe that SDDM is actually logging me in correctly, but something goes wrong when the desktop environment has to take over. So there's nothing new being drawn on top of the last screen rendered by the login screen somehow. I noticed I can still move my mouse after login as well.
[21:06] <log`> So I guess I have wrong/missing packages somewhere..
[21:21] <log`> looks like the lubuntu-desktop package simply wasn't selected, so I'm trying that now. Thanks again tomreyn :)
[21:53] <log`> After installing the lubuntu-desktop metapackage and rebooting, all icons, and the profile picture i had configured for my existing user, are now rendered as black boxes. In the session selector drop down, in the top left of the login screen, I have three entries: Lubuntu, LxQt Desktop, and Openbox. Can someone verify that these three options are supposed to be present?
[21:54] <log`> the above is in reference to the login screen, the symptom persists as before. I enter my password and press enter, and the login screen just stays up, while I can still move my mouse.
[22:08] <log`> It works now, after another reboot and making sure to select Lubuntu in the session dropdown. Looks like I'm good to go. Thanks again tomreyn and a happy new year to everyone.
[23:26] <tomreyn> log`: nice, glad you worked it out. iwasn't around but couldn't really have helped in more details anyways - I'm not that familiar with the l in lubuntu really.
[23:26] <tomreyn> and a healthy and happy 2021 to you as well!


[21:39]  * phillw hail & welcome the logging bot.... Thanks rt team :)
[21:54] <balloons> phillw, nice!
[21:55] <phillw> balloons: don't balem me, it was of the regulars who noticed it missing.. i only raised the support ticket!
[21:55] <phillw> *blame*
[21:55] <balloons> indeed..
[21:56] <phillw> balloons: while you are on... do you have about a 1 hour window in  your diary tomorrow / wednesday to go over some stuff with me?
[21:57] <balloons> phillw, sure thing
[21:57] <balloons> what time (in UTC?)
[21:58] <phillw> balloons: between 13:00 - 16:00 ?
[21:59] <phillw> Else after 20:00 GMT
[22:02] <phillw> GMT == UTC this time of year for me :)
[22:03]  * balloons converts
[22:04] <balloons> hmm
[22:04] <balloons> 1500 UTC could work
[22:04] <balloons> I'm penciling you in there
[22:05] <phillw> balloons: okies, I'll give you a ping at 14:55 UTC and expect no reply :P


[01:32] <turbo2013> test
[07:14] <doc_> hi
[09:01] <onebitxajax> hi to all, i want to add "add single files as archive" to my dolphin How can i do it? i already write the nash script
[09:01] <onebitxajax> bash*
[09:04] <onebitX> hi to all, i want to add "add single files as archive" to my dolphin How can i do it? i already write the nash script
[09:10] <hp1> hallo
[09:11] <hp1> i can't login in my administrtor with the right code
[09:14] <hp1> while i more .xsession-errors
[09:14] <hp1> it says /usr/sbin/lightdm-session: 45: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/98vboxadd-xclient: /usr/bin/V
[09:14] <hp1> BoxClient: not found
[09:14] <hp1> /usr/sbin/lightdm-session: 46: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/98vboxadd-xclient: /usr/bin/V
[09:14] <hp1> BoxClient: not found
[09:14] <hp1> /usr/sbin/lightdm-session: 48: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/98vboxadd-xclient: /usr/bin/V
[09:14] <hp1> BoxClient: not found
[09:14] <hp1> /usr/sbin/lightdm-session: 50: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/98vboxadd-xclient: /usr/bin/V
[09:14] <hp1> BoxClient: not found
[09:14] <FloodBotK1> hp1: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:14] <hp1> Backend     : gconf
[09:18] <hp1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6024364/
[09:18] <hp1> my problem is here
[09:18] <hp1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6024364/
[10:54] <kumararasa> sir, to download firefox web browser, i have just installed kubuntu
[10:54] <kumararasa> sir, how to download firefox web browser, i have just installed kubuntu
[10:59] <mydogsnameisrudy> kumararasa:  sudo apt-get install firefox
[11:01] <kumararasa> thnk u
[11:04] <onebitxajax> [09:01:06] < onebitxajax> hi to all, i want to add "add single files as archive" to my dolphin How can i do it? i already write the  nash script
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[15:05] <florentin> bonjour
[15:07] <florentin> ?
[15:08] <StarfighterPilot> hello florentin
[15:08] <florentin> hello do you speak french?
[15:09] <StarfighterPilot> no
[15:09] <florentin> ok and you know any chan with a french community?
[15:11] <StarfighterPilot> no, sorry
[15:11] <smartboyhw> !fr | florentin
[15:12] <StarfighterPilot> maybe #ubuntu-fr
[15:12] <florentin> thanks
[15:59] <LogicallyDashing> I occasionally switch between QWERTY and Dvorak keyboard layouts. In most apps, the keyboard shortcuts change to match the new layout. In Kate (and possibly others) this doesn't happen. I want it to. How do I make it happen?
[16:09] <mamoun> Hi, I'm having an odd problem with an old laptop running kubuntu,...
[16:09] <mamoun> ...at boot, the laptop is normally speed, but after a while it beomes seriously sluggish
[16:10] <mamoun> ...apparently the cpu frequency becomes stuck at the lowest possible value (only 600 mhz)
[16:10] <mamoun> no idea why
[16:10] <LogicallyDashing> mamoun, check your power management settings, in the settings manager
[16:11] <mamoun> Thank you for replying, there is no options related to cpu throttle in the power management options
[16:11] <mamoun> using kde 4.10
[16:14] <mamoun> I thought it could be because of overheating, but even using a laptop fan, there is no difference
[16:17] <mamoun> ok, quick unrelated basic question: where does custom grub configuration goes?
[16:18] <mamoun> I remember messing up with it ages ago but now I really can't remember where it was
[17:16] <rodion> привет, народ
[17:39] <seronis> every time I click a weblink in a program (not web browser) it opens Muon software center asking me to install firefox INSTEAD of just opening chrome
[17:39] <seronis> any suggestions on how to fix this ?
[17:44] <LogicallyDashing> seronis, you need to change a thing in Default Applications
[17:44] <LogicallyDashing> to the effect that Chrome is your default web browser
[17:45] <LogicallyDashing> This means you don't get a different app depending on the contents of a web link. You may not care
[17:56] <chepe263> hello?
[20:08] <gizmobay> I'm trying to install kdm on 13.04. When I try, it says it must uninstall kde-full, kde-workspace, etc.. Is this correct?
[20:11] <BluesKaj> gizmobay, lightdm is the default now
[20:39] <seronis> LogicallyDashing, i set chrome as my default web browser the day i installed kubuntu
[20:40] <seronis> it worked normally and randomly started doing this
[20:41] <LogicallyDashing> seronis, so did you check the way it's set now? settings could have gotten randomly wiped
[20:41] <seronis> yup.  i set it to the kde default web browser and then back to chrome
[20:41] <BluesKaj> seronis, use chromium
[20:41] <seronis> blue, no
[20:42] <seronis> chromium has nothing to do with my issue
[20:42] <BluesKaj> then expalian your issue
[20:42] <seronis> every time I click a weblink in a program (not web browser) it opens Muon software center asking me to install firefox INSTEAD of just opening chrome
[20:43] <BluesKaj> then chrome has everything to do with your issue because chromium is the default version for linux
[20:44] <seronis> no..  'rekonq'  is default in kubuntu
[20:44] <BluesKaj> default ggogle internet browser for linux , then
[20:45] <seronis> and switching 'default web browser' back to rekonq does not fix issue.  switching to opera or chrome afterwards does not fix issue
[20:45] <BluesKaj> anyway , use chromium , chrome isn't supported here
[20:46] <seronis> i dont give a shit.   my issue isnt chrome.  its  muon software center
[20:46] <seronis> which should not be telling me to install 'firefox' when i click a link
[20:46] <seronis> now.  be helpful or be quiet
[20:46] <IdleOne> !language
[20:46] <IdleOne> !attitude
[20:47] <seronis> idleone, if he doesnt want to help he doesnt have to. but i asked about a specific issue
[20:47] <BluesKaj> seronis , if you insist that muon is your issue , you;re mistaken , that's all.
[20:47] <IdleOne> seronis: the two factoids were directed at you.
[20:47] <seronis> idleone,  im aware.  i just disagree
[20:48] <IdleOne> not at BluesKaj All I saw was you cursing and being rude
[20:48] <BluesKaj> !chrome
[20:48] <seronis> blueskaj,  stay on topic
[20:48] <BluesKaj> !info chrome
[20:48] <IdleOne> google chrome is not supported on ubuntu or kubuntu. seek help from google.
[20:48] <seronis> my problem is the same with rekonq
[20:49] <seronis> now..  stop being pendantic
[20:49] <seronis> help or not.  im happy with idling until someone can help
[20:49] <IdleOne> seronis: drop the attitude
[20:50] <seronis> rekonq is supported here.  exact same 'effect' is in play.
[20:51] <seronis> muon software center should be suported here.  its the issue as far as i can tell.  id appreciate information to the contrary
[20:52] <seronis> idleone, are you able to help tell me why rekonq does not launch when i click a link ?
[20:53] <IdleOne> I'm not interested in helping you.
[20:54] <Fa_1> seronis: is the application you click the link something java based, like minecraft?
[20:54] <seronis> minecraft, steam, and instant messengers
[20:54] <seronis> any link outside a web browser
[20:55] <joephelius> what does update-alternatives --display x-www-browser tell you?
[20:55] <seronis> testing now
[20:56] <BluesKaj> then set a default web browser in system settings.default apps
[20:56] <seronis> blueskaj, i told you i've switched back and forth between rekonq, opera, chrome.  i've uninstalled opera and chromium
[20:56] <seronis> currently its listing chrome as priority 200 and rekonq as priority 40
[20:57] <seronis> @ joephelius
[20:57] <joephelius> does xdg-open http://google.com from a terminal also open muon?
[20:58] <seronis> testing
[20:58] <seronis> nope.  that worked fine actually
[20:59] <BluesKaj> ok , then seronis good luck , despite the attitude
[20:59] <seronis> blueskaj, appreciaqte the effort.  its just  'use XXX browser instead' isnt helpful. id rather track down why the problem occurs
[21:01] <joephelius> where do you click the links that open muon, by the way?
[21:01] <seronis> in the chat window in minecraft.  in instant message windows in steam and other IM clients
[21:03] <seronis> just tested.  clicking a link here in hexchat opens muon too
[21:05] <joephelius> can you remove muon and try again? what happens then?
[21:06] <seronis> oddly enough..   'sudo apt-get remove muon'
[21:06] <seronis> and muon still opened clicking a link
[21:09] <joephelius> something's definitely not right :D
[21:11] <joephelius> seronis: remove muon-installer, too
[21:12] <joephelius> which should, if installed, remove the kubuntu-firefox-installer, too
[21:12] <Fa_1> it should be enough to remove kubuntu-firefox-installer
[21:12] <joephelius> which I guess is what keeps popping up
[21:15] <seronis> joephelius, problem resolved.  thank you
[21:17] <joephelius> glad I could help ;)
[21:19] <BluesKaj> one shouldn't have to remove the FF installer, there's something still amiss I think
[21:19] <seronis> agreed.  but doing so fixed the problem
[21:20] <seronis> the only thing i can think that i installed close to when the problem started was netflix desktop package
[21:21] <seronis> but i used that with xubuntu without any issues
[21:22] <joephelius> seems this installer registered somewhere as default url handler
[21:22] <joephelius> but not in xdg-open
[21:22] <joephelius> google found one other person having the problem and no solution except re-installing firefox
[21:23] <seronis> reinstalling and re-removing firefox didnt fix it
[21:23] <seronis> i did try that last week.  probably saw the same goog result you saw
[21:24] <Fa_1> or uninstall kubuntu-firefox-installer.. thats my fix. but my only known app is minecraft
[21:25] <seronis> is there any way to see a list of packages that contain a specific other package as a dependancy /
[21:26] <seronis> ie:  all packages that would have installed kubuntu-firefox-installer
[21:26] <joephelius> apt-get rdepends
[21:26] <joephelius> I guess
[21:27] <seronis> 'invalid operation rdepends'
[21:27] <seronis> or not.  thanks anyways
[21:27] <joephelius> apt-cache
[21:27] <joephelius> sry
[21:28] <joephelius> debian always confuses me with this damned packet manager
[21:28] <seronis> thanks.  im still mostly new to linux.  have 3 months with xfce and now 2 months with kde
[21:29] <seronis> will do some 'man' research on apt-cache
[21:29] <joephelius> package manager is important :)


[15:12] <TheyCallMePaul> I am just wondering how bugs normally go in regards to using dailies of an upcoming release, 22.04 in this case.
[15:13] <TheyCallMePaul> This bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-apcu/+bug/1957261
[15:13] <TheyCallMePaul> As best I can tell, is keeping Nextcloud from working.
[15:14] <TheyCallMePaul> I'm not suggesting it should be anyone's top priority, I'm just wondering how these things usually go, so I can adjust planning accordingly.
[15:58] <tomreyn> TheyCallMePaul: this might be better discussed in #ubuntu-next. as you noticed, jammy (to be 22.04) currently has php 8.0 and 8.1 related packages. the 8.0 ones are in the universe section, whereas the 8.1 ones are in main. this probably means that 8.1 / phpapi-20210902 is the primary target for 22.04 and you should concentrate on getting that to work.
[16:22] <TheyCallMePaul> tomreyn: Thank you, I will go over there. As it happens, a different project installed to the same server doesn't yet support 8.1.


[02:10] <staxxx> I've been searching the web, tutorials and all but still couldn find a way to connect my laptop to my desktop. both run linux os and i'd like to login trhu terminal and execute commands and copy files between machines. any help please?
[02:10] <holstein> staxxx: there are many ways to do that
[02:11] <holstein> !ssh | staxxx
[02:11] <holstein> ^ i use ssh on my local lan for *all* machines.. and on many remote servers
[02:11] <holstein> i can connect through the terminal and scp files, or connect to the ssh server via sftp with something like filezilla or gigolo
[02:11] <holstein> !scp
[02:11] <holstein> !gigolo
[02:11] <staxxx> Its all to complicated since there are many ways I cant seem to get it right. I dont have  a modem both machines connect to the internet via hot stop
[02:12] <holstein> !info gigolo
[02:12] <staxxx> hotpot
[02:12] <staxxx> gigolo connects via a gui right?
[02:13] <staxxx> I'd like to log in via terminal ad execute commands for example shut down my desktop trhu my laptop
[02:13] <holstein> staxxx: ssh requires network connection, though, you can test locally to see if the server is working
[02:13] <holstein> staxxx: you want ssh
[02:13] <holstein> staxxx: if your machine is not connected to a network, you wont access it from a network
[02:13] <staxxx> Any place with a good and simple tutorial?
[02:13] <holstein> you address the connectivity, and use ssh
[02:13] <staxxx> both machines connect to a hotspot
[02:13] <holstein> staxxx: sure.. the link i gave is a *great* start
[02:14] <holstein> and "setup ssh server on ubuntu" link should be fine, such as http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/setup-openssh-server-on-ubuntu-linux/
[02:14] <holstein> staxxx: you can either use the hotspots like this, or not
[02:14] <staxxx> ok thanks I'll check the link
[02:14] <holstein> staxxx: nothing about linux is preventing you from connecting
[02:15] <holstein> staxxx: i have configured a few hotspots that allow port forwarding, and a few that do not
[02:15] <holstein> i suggest getting a cheapo router (*any* cheap/free router from anywhere), and connect the 2 machines and test/learn about ssh that way
[02:16] <staxxx> I'll start the journey
[02:17] <staxxx> It's the linux way I guess... But I enjoy it
[02:17] <holstein> what is?
[02:17] <holstein> your hotspots have nothing to do with the OS you are using
[02:17] <staxxx> searching, reading
[02:17] <staxxx> learning
[02:18] <holstein> you would need to forward ports for samba, or ftp, or whatever else
[02:18] <staxxx> yes I guess so. I get around with computers pretty well but networking is my handicap
[02:18] <holstein> otherwise, just use dropbox, or some other tool that solves this for you
[02:18] <staxxx> dropbox won't allow me to execute commands from one machine to another
[02:19] <staxxx> I've been really into writting scripts lately and I'd like to execute my scripts from one machine to another
[02:19] <holstein> staxxx: just keep in mind, networking is independent of operating systems
[02:20] <staxxx> It's not really as much as transfering files between machines, is more about logging in remotedly via termminal and executing commands
[02:20] <staxxx> yes ok
[02:21] <staxxx> I wrote  a sricpt that shuts down the machine at a given time. for example if I leave the house and forget to turn off the desktop i'd like to use my laptop to login remotedly and turn of the desktop
[02:22] <staxxx> sorry for the typos
[13:57] <staxxx> hello everyone. I just woke up to find that my ubuntustudio desktop lost its workplaces. now i have only one and can't add anymore. what happened? yesterday was working just fine???
[13:57] <staxxx> These kind of thing I just can't understand
[13:58] <staxxx> Today I turned it on and all was fine and sudenly lost the workplaces and the desktop is acting funny
[13:58] <staxxx> what is this???
[14:00] <staxxx> any help please?? this is very unreliable for serous work. suddenly all is messed up
[14:02] <cfhowlett> staxxx acting "funny"? means ... what?
[14:02] <staxxx> only one workplace
[14:02] <cfhowlett> staxxx and screenshots
[14:02] <staxxx> can't add more
[14:02] <staxxx> windows dont show the x close button
[14:03] <staxxx> I'm about to give a class now and this happens
[14:03] <cfhowlett> staxxx guess that your xfce4 (windows environment) got fragged ...
[14:03] <staxxx> how??
[14:03] <cfhowlett> staxxx 12.04???
[14:03] <staxxx> how can this happen? how can i prevent this? I need to work
[14:03] <staxxx> yes 12.04
[14:04] <staxxx> I know when its me tweaking and messing the system but this happened without my intervention
[14:05] <staxxx> any help on how to fix this?
[14:07] <staxxx> .............
[14:08] <cfhowlett> staxxx my suggestion would be to nuke your xfce3 settings and reset to default
[14:08] <staxxx> how thats cool. how do i do that?
[14:08] <cfhowlett> staxxx go to your /home and display .hidden folders
[14:09] <staxxx> done
[14:10] <staxxx> what next?
[14:11] <cfhowlett> staxxx wait 1 looking for the xfce4   configuration files
[14:11] <staxxx> ok
[14:12] <staxxx> thank you
[14:16] <cfhowlett> staxxx go it:   /home/.confg/xfce4   and xfce4-dict    rename those, e.g. xfce4BACKUP    then logout/login and reset
[14:16] <staxxx> rename both folders?
[14:18] <cfhowlett> staxxx yea we want them both to reset
[14:27] <biombidil> salut
[14:27] <biombidil> morning
[14:28] <holstein> staxxx: unreliable? you are the only one losing workspaces, so, try and not assume its a shortcoming of the OS\
[14:28] <cfhowlett> biombidil greetings
[14:29] <holstein> staxxx: you may prefer using something you are more familiar with? such as unity from main ubuntu with the studio tools?
[14:29] <holstein> staxxx: what desktop environment are you coming from?
[14:29] <zequence> the only thing in life you can rely on is that you can't rely on anything :)
[14:30] <biombidil> ubuntu studio
[14:31] <biombidil> 12
[14:31] <cfhowlett> biombidil what is your actual question?
[14:32] <biombidil> how can i update vlc
[14:33] <cfhowlett> biombidil sudo apt-get install vlc
[14:34] <biombidil> thanks
[14:35] <zequence> vlc is not updated to new versions, it only gets bug fixes
[14:35] <zequence> if you want the most recent version, one way to do that is add a PPA that has it
[14:35] <biombidil> but i do not know how to use the command line interface
[14:35] <holstein> biombidil: you dont have to
[14:36] <zequence> Like this one https://launchpad.net/~videolan/+archive/stable-daily
[14:36] <holstein> biombidil: you can use the package manager of your choice to add/install vlc, then the update manager of your choice to update the pacakges to the most recent version in the repositories/source
[14:36] <holstein> sources*
[14:36] <zequence> They don't get updated to the most recent version holstein
[14:36] <holstein> biombidil: if you want a newer version, you can add a PPA, or ask vlc for a version
[14:36] <zequence> just security updates
[14:37] <zequence> Like I said, one way to do it is add a PPA, like the one I just linked to
[14:38] <biombidil> thanks
[14:39] <holstein> biombidil: you would want to use the terminal/commandline to add that ppa.. though, you can add the sources with a GUI if you prefer
[14:39] <holstein> i suggest using the latest from the repos, and not adding a ppa
[14:39] <zequence> biombidil: If you want to add that PPA (but, understand that it changes your system), do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:videolan/stable-daily
[14:39] <biombidil> for each intervention
[14:39] <zequence> then, just update your system
[14:40] <zequence> The good thing about that PPA is it only contains updates to vlc packages, not other things
[14:41] <zequence> So, you will only be changing vlc. Nothing else
[14:41] <biombidil> i want to implement the file system with c language
[14:42] <biombidil> excuse for  my english i am francophone
[16:46] <marbangens> I get 404 not found when I try to download ubuntu studio beta 2
[16:46] <holstein> marbangens: ok.. i suggest not doing that
[16:46] <holstein> marbangens: i suggest a little patience, and just get main 14.04 when its released
[16:47] <holstein> marbangens: the servers are getting hammered right now
[16:47] <marbangens> okej
[18:29] <staxxx> hey holstein I'm back remember me?
[18:29] <holstein> staxxx: no.. but welcome
[18:29] <staxxx> :)
[18:29] <staxxx> the guy with the desktop messed up
[18:29] <holstein> lol
[18:30] <staxxx> yes
[18:30] <holstein> like that clears it up any ;)
[18:30] <staxxx> humm lol
[18:30] <staxxx> let me recap
[18:31] <staxxx> Today I turned on my laptop and everything was fine until I opened a few windows and my workplaces dissapeared, now I have only one (and can't add anymore) and the windows are funny with no borders with the x to clese them and so on
[18:32] <holstein> sounds like a 3d issue, or a graphics or x crash
[18:32] <holstein> sounds like you are trying to use compiz with XFCE
[18:32] <staxxx> you suggested something relatet to xfce
[18:32] <staxxx> well I did use it! now you mentioned it I remember
[18:32] <staxxx> but it was a few days ago
[18:32] <holstein> staxxx: so, dont do that
[18:33] <staxxx> ok now I know what caused it
[18:33] <holstein> staxxx: undo whatevrer you did to force compiz, get your system back to default, and test
[18:33] <staxxx> finally
[18:33] <staxxx> tahnk you
[18:33] <staxxx> thank you
[18:33] <holstein> then, we can try and addresss what you need from copmiz
[18:33] <holstein> i didnt say compiz becuase we dont ship it
[18:34] <staxxx> I made  a few changes but It was a few days ago. Is it normal to only crash today?
[18:34] <holstein> staxxx: its not "normal" to use compiz with xfce
[18:34] <staxxx> ok now I know
[18:34] <holstein> if you are, then i would start there, and as i said, try and get back to default, and we go from there
[18:35] <staxxx> how do I get back to the default desktop. I know I'll lose my settings but... there's no other way right?
[18:35] <holstein> staxxx: youd need to elaboartate about what you have done
[18:36] <holstein> staxxx: you should see a guide for using copix that suggests how to switch back
[18:36] <staxxx> okok I'll go around it and get back if I need help
[18:36] <holstein> compiz*
[18:36] <holstein> staxxx: probably metacity --replace
[18:37] <holstein> buti hadnt done it first hand in quite a few releases
[18:38] <staxxx> ok so now I unchecked a few changes I had made. Now I should reboot the system right?
[18:39] <staxxx> unchecked changes made in compiz
[18:41] <staxxx> I'll reboot the sys
[18:46] <staxxx> hey I'm back just rebooted the sys
[18:47] <staxxx> no changes. could it be something related to opengl?
[18:47] <holstein> staxxx: if you added compiz, and have not switched back, do that first
[18:48] <staxxx> you mean uninstall compiz?
[18:48] <holstein> staxxx: ?
[18:48] <holstein> staxxx: you say you are using compiz.. dont use it
[18:48] <holstein> replace the window manager with the defaul
[18:48] <holstein> default*
[18:49] <staxxx> where do I replace the window manager?
[18:49] <holstein> staxxx: i gave a command, but you should look at the guide you used to implment compiz
[18:50] <holstein> metacity --replace is what it used to me
[18:50] <staxxx> gessshhhh
[18:51] <staxxx> what happened? its fixed
[18:51] <holstein> staxxx: so, stop using compiz, and test for a while
[18:51] <staxxx> now this is interesting
[18:51] <holstein> staxxx: you just went back to the default instead of using compiz
[18:52] <staxxx> thank you very much
[18:52] <holstein> staxxx: you can try and implement what youa re trying to do some other way
[18:52] <staxxx> thank you man
[18:52] <holstein> sure
[18:52] <staxxx> funny the windows now look like the windows in humm unity I guess
[18:53] <staxxx> which is great
[20:54] <sergio-br2> hey hello
[20:56] <holstein> o/
[21:06] <sergio-br2> hey holstein
[21:06] <sergio-br2> i'm having problem with Arista in trusty
[21:07] <sergio-br2> probably is not Arista, it's work here in saucy. Maybe some package that get update and does'n talk to Arista
[21:08] <sergio-br2> Bug #1306592
[23:23] <delt> hmm... some pretty bad bugs still present in the final release... "Window manager shortcut keys don’t work after reboot (1292290)"
[23:25] <Unit193> Primary vs Control issue?  I thought xfwm handled those pretty well.
[23:41] <delt> any chance of these bugs being resolved in the next few days?


[00:55] <desrt> robert_ancell: hey!
[00:55] <robert_ancell> desrt, howdy!
[00:55] <desrt> you're a hard man to get a hold of from europe :)
[00:56] <desrt> i just landed a bunch of changes on glib to deal with opening up the gsettingsschema API some more
[00:56] <desrt> the eventual goal is that dconf-editor need not parse xml
[00:56] <desrt> would be cool if i could get some info about what you need, precisely
[00:56] <robert_ancell> desrt, it was always planned that way :)
[00:57] <desrt> the GSettingsSchemaKey structure is planned to be opened up
[00:57] <desrt> with various getters
[00:57] <desrt> i wish-list in the form of a bug would be great
[00:58] <desrt> no sense opening what is not needed
[00:58] <robert_ancell> desrt, ok, I'll open on against glib?
[00:58] <desrt> for the summary/description stuff i'm considering creating a separate cache file for those
[00:58] <desrt> that is opened only if you request
[00:58] <desrt> yup
[02:38] <TheMuso> Ugh. Network-manager and policykit are not playing nice with each other. Just tried to join my wireless network in precise, was asked for my psasword, but authentication failed for some reason.
[02:38] <TheMuso> password even
[03:10] <robert_ancell> slangasek, does linux-pam have a mailing list / homepage?
[03:58] <cyphermox> TheMuso: yes, noticed that too
[03:59] <cyphermox> I will look into it tomorrow and  try to figure out how it can be fixed, but since NM didn't change I expect something's off in polkit
[04:00] <cyphermox> and on that note, /me goes back to bed
[04:16] <TheMuso> cyphermox: thought you knew already, thanks.
[05:03] <pitti> Good morning
[05:04] <pitti> robert_ancell, TheMuso: uh, what? changing seeds in a stable release? what do you want to do?
[05:04] <robert_ancell> pitti, I just noticed that ubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on unity-greeter which is a big screw up...
[05:04] <pitti> lightdm does, though?
[05:05] <robert_ancell> pitti, no
[05:05] <pitti> Recommends: xserver-xorg, unity-greeter | lightdm-greeter
[05:05] <robert_ancell> (because it doesn't require a greeter)
[05:05] <pitti> that's what's pulling it into the default install
[05:05] <pitti> but right, it leaves open the possibility to uninstall it; I thought that was on purpose
[05:05] <robert_ancell> pitti, right, but some people are upgrading and not pulling in unity-greeter as it is only a recommend
[05:06] <robert_ancell> pitti, are there people who want the ubuntu-desktop package installed but not unity-greeter?
[05:06] <pitti> presumably not
[05:06] <jasoncwarner_> hey robert_ancell and RAOF , I moved kickoff meeting to Monday morning b/c thumper couldn't make today.
[05:06] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, ok, np
[05:07] <robert_ancell> pitti, would it be hard to SRU a change like that?
[05:07] <RAOF> No problem.
[05:07] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell and RAOF were you able to dive in yet and see what you could do? RAOF were you able to connect with njpatel?
[05:07] <pitti> robert_ancell: so, for robustifying upgrades this could be done in theory, we just never changed a seed post-release so far
[05:07] <pitti> robert_ancell: technically not
[05:07] <pitti> as TheMuso says, you update the precise and oneiric seeds, regenerate ubuntu-meta, and upload as usual
[05:08] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: I haven't caught njpatel online yet; I have caught thumper and decided that https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-distro-priority/+bug/807921 seems like a bug that could usefully be tested.
[05:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 807921 in unity "Unity tooltips doesn't show Hebrew characters" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:08] <robert_ancell> pitti, right.  So I know how to update the seeds, but can I generate ubuntu-meta?
[05:08] <robert_ancell> pitti, bug 804171
[05:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 804171 in ubuntu-meta "ubuntu-desktop package depends on lightdm but no greeter" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804171
[05:09] <pitti> robert_ancell: sure, apt-get source ubuntu-meta, ./update
[05:09] <pitti> robert_ancell: added o/p tasks
[05:11] <robert_ancell> pitti, what's the name of the seed branches again?
[05:13] <robert_ancell> pitti, found it
[05:15] <TheMuso> Anybody can generate ubuntu-meta, but then upload privileges apply of course.
[05:15] <TheMuso> pitti: Oh one questino for you before I sign off for the weekend. Do you knwo if we are going to be adjusting GTK3 packaging for multi-arch?
[05:16] <TheMuso> gah
[05:19] <pitti> TheMuso: I'm not sure, it's no small task due to all the plugins
[05:20] <pitti> nobody is working on it right now AFAIK
[05:20]  * TheMuso nods.
[05:20] <pitti> do we need it for anything particular?
[05:21] <TheMuso> No, but I wanted to know if it was on the agenda, because I enabled at-spi2-atk for multi-arch, forgetting that gtk3 was not multi-arched yet, untill I installed precise the other day, and had to use a symlink to hae the atk bridge module seen by GTK3.
[05:21] <TheMuso> So if its not on the agenda, I'll rever the multi-arch changes I made.
[05:21] <TheMuso> revert
[05:22] <broder> seems a little suckful to multiarch gtk2 and then regress that for gtk3
[05:24] <pitti> oh right, gtk2 is
[05:24] <pitti> so it shouldn't be that hard to apply that to 3, too
[05:31] <robert_ancell> pitti, ok, so I ran ./update, then debuild -S -sa.  Do I just dput it?
[05:31] <pitti> robert_ancell: you need to adjust teh changelog a bit
[05:31] <pitti> robert_ancell: for -proposed, and adding the bug number
[05:32] <pitti> robert_ancell: but yes, just dput; it's nothing really magical, just an ordinary source package which just happens to have a few autogenerated files
[05:32] <robert_ancell> pitti, but for uploading to -proposed I need to modify the old 1.245 right
[05:32] <pitti> uh, no?
[05:32] <pitti> should be 1.245.1 or so
[05:33] <pitti> 1.245 is in oneiric final
[05:33] <robert_ancell> pitti, yeah, I'm running precise so I've pulled down all the recent changes.  I'll upload that one to precise, then I need to get the older version
[05:35] <pitti> ah, I misunderstood
[05:35] <pitti> robert_ancell: yes; pull-lp-source ubuntu-meta oneiric
[08:47] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:47] <pitti> hey rodrigo_, how are you?
[08:48] <rodrigo_> hi pitti, I'm fine and you?
[08:49] <pitti> rodrigo_: I'm great, thanks; had a fine hacking afternoon yesterday, continuing today
[08:49] <pitti> client-side apport duplicate checking making great progress
[08:50] <rodrigo_> cool :)
[08:57] <glatzor_> morning mvo
[08:57] <glatzor_> mvo, do you have got some minutes to discuss the mp?
[08:58] <mvo> glatzor_: sure
[08:59] <mvo> glatzor_: happy that you have a bit of time to look at it!
[09:01] <rodrigo_> hey glatzor_
[09:02] <rodrigo_> glatzor_, how's the PK API in aptdaemon going?
[09:04] <glatzor_> rodrigo_, fine. it is working. I updated my system today using gpk-update-viewer
[09:04] <rodrigo_> cool
[09:04] <glatzor_> rodrigo_, gpk-update-viewer still doesn't support markup correctly. so the changelogs lock a little bit odd
[09:04] <rodrigo_> I'll be adding a new method as soon as I'm done with its implementation in PK
[09:05] <glatzor_> rodrigo_, which method do you want to add?
[09:05] <glatzor_> rodrigo_, a new WhatProvides type?
[09:05] <rodrigo_> InstallResource, to install languages (for now)
[09:06] <mvo> glatzor_: is this in trunk already, i.e. should I upload a new aptdaemon :) ?
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:10] <rodrigo_> hi chrisccoulson
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> hi rodrigo_, how are you?
[09:13] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, I'm fine, and you?
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, yeah, good thanks
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> oh, no seb yet?
[09:16] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, good morning
[09:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: how's your ubuflu?
[09:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: Seb is on holiday today
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti. yeah, it's better this morning. i just wish i could shake this thing off my chest now :)
[09:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: is there still something missing for your two drafted specs? they have WIs, but are still in "drafting"
[09:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: (cf. my reminder mail from this morning)
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti - no, i don't think there's anything missing
[09:22] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so, perhaps you can check again and flip them to "review" when you are done?
[09:23] <chrisccoulson> pitti - ok, done :)
[09:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: "Make it possible to store collected adresses in EDS"/"Add functionality for creating addressbooks via EDS" -> will you actually work on that, or is that mconnor?
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti, m_conley. it could be either of us though :)
[09:25] <pitti> chrisccoulson: also, "Add overlay scrollbar support for Thunderbird (and Firefox):" -> I thought this was pretty much impossible, given that it's not real GTK widgets and we can't modify the sources so much?
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> pitti - right, it's going to be hard, but not impossible, and we need to do it at some point
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> this is why i've been careful not to give myself too many WI's this cycle :)
[09:26] <pitti> ok, if you actually want to work on this, it certainly sounds like a fun project
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:27] <pitti> I mean, working on code, not just packaging all the time
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's nice to do stuff other than packaging occasionally :)
[09:27] <pitti> so, both approved, thanks!
[09:27] <pitti> one to go, the default apps one
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[09:27] <pitti> jasoncwarner_ said this would land on Monday
[09:28] <pitti> and didrocks needs to approve one spec, but I figure he's on vac today, too
[09:29] <chrisccoulson> i need to start taking some friday's off. i've got 10 days left
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i think i've figured out my "suspend on resume" issue now
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure it's the same problem as other people, as my issue is clearly caused by this empty battery exposed by the kernel
[10:39] <pitti> I need to stop for today, travelling to Dresden
[10:40] <pitti> have a nice weekend everyone!
[10:41] <desrt> pitti: cheerio
[10:49] <rodrigo_> have a nice trip pitti
[10:50]  * desrt ponders turning gtkmenuitem on its head
[10:50] <desrt> ...or at least its side
[10:53] <rodrigo_> hey desrt
[10:54] <rodrigo_> need to run some errands, bbiab
[11:04] <glatzor_> rodrigo_, bzr branch lp:~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/pkcompat2 and run sudo ./aptd -td -replace
[11:04] <glatzor_> enjoy yourself pitti
[11:43] <rodrigo_> glatzor_, ok
[13:07]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[14:25] <Poweris> Hi
[14:26] <Poweris> yra lt ce?
[14:26] <Poweris> !yra lt?
[14:26] <ubot2> Factoid 'yra lt?' not found
[14:26] <Poweris> +
[14:27] <Poweris> AR YRA SICE LIETUVIU?
[14:27] <Poweris> +
[14:27] <Poweris> ! hi
[14:27] <ubot2> Factoid 'hi' not found
[14:27] <Poweris> ! lamex
[14:27] <ubot2> Factoid 'lamex' not found
[14:27] <Poweris> !lamalex
[14:27] <ubot2> Factoid 'lamalex' not found
[15:17] <Sweetshark> anyone knowing how the per-diems for uds work, please pm me
[15:19] <desrt> Sweetshark: 27 and 16
[15:20]  * desrt skips the pm to save you from getting messages about it for the next 20 minutes
[15:22]  * kenvandine is really surprised that we have only had one bug filed against the clutter-gst package... like ever
[15:33] <Sweetshark> desrt: thanks for the info ;)
[16:50] <pitti> mterry: ah, diving into stable +1 team? (just saw your transition uploads)
[16:51] <mterry> pitti, yeah, I've been doing it for a while.  Mostly ftbfs and nbs stuff.  Happy as a clam  :)
[16:52] <pitti> mterry: feels good to keep a tidy house^Warchive, doesn't it? :-)
[16:54] <mterry> Yeah, driving numbers down to zero is always satisfying
[17:11] <pitti> bye everyone, have a nice weekend!
[17:15] <kenvandine> you too pitti!
[18:03] <rodrigo_> ok, out for the day, have a nice weekend!


[07:08] <tjaalton> bdmurray: oops, sorry for missing the xserver-lts-xenial diff, I'll merge it now and upload again
[07:16] <tjaalton> but not before the sru is released of course
[11:13] <xnox> can gnupg2 triggered libmail-gnupg-perl test use (libmail-gnupg-perl,gnupg) from proposed?
[11:14] <xnox> similar with apt
[11:14] <xnox> or like hint apt/gnupg2/libmail-gnupg-perl to go in together
[11:17] <doko> ginggs_: do you want to look at the shogun ftbfs, or should we just demote it?
[11:20] <ginggs_> doko: please demote it, that looks like debian #835411
[12:49] <xnox> Laney, is there some way to hint gnupg2 to go in together with libmail-gnupg-perl.
[12:50] <Laney> hi xnox
[12:50] <xnox> apt tests actually passed and it migrated, libmail-gnupg-perl in proposed also passes its tests, and snapd is all good as well.
[12:50] <Laney> sure, but that's not much use if the tests are failing
[12:51] <Laney> you probably want them re-run?
[12:51] <xnox> yes but libmail-gnupg-perl & gnupg2 should be rerun with proposed.
[12:52] <xnox> and the retry button doesn't offer me to do that.
[12:53] <Laney> ok
[12:53] <Laney> 'go in together' means something else to me
[12:53] <xnox> as in testing libmail-gnupg-perl from release with gnugp2 from proposed will always fail.
[12:54] <xnox> libmail-gnupg-perl from release works with gnupg2 in release; libmail-gnupg-perl from proposed works with gnupg2 in proposed or release;
[12:55] <jbicha> xnox: you can manually append &trigger=gnupg2/2.1.15-1ubuntu2 to the url the retry button suggests
[12:56] <xnox> that bit is right.
[12:57] <xnox> i think i need two triggers.... gnupg2 and libgnupg-interface-perl/$proposed-version
[13:01] <Laney> xnox: I did them for you
[13:01] <xnox> thanks
[13:02] <xnox> is there a magic how-to? granted i don't cause such things often.....
[13:02] <Laney> Maybe you can pass &trigger= more than once
[13:02] <Laney> I just ran a command on snakefruit
[13:06] <xnox> i wonder if my depends are not explicit enough in the libmail-gnupg-perl case
[16:05] <xnox> Laney, can gnupg2 be hinted with skiptests and hinted to libgnupg-interface-perl to migrate together with gnupg2?
[16:07] <xnox> horum looking at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libm/libmail-gnupg-perl/yakkety/amd64 triggers are still incorrect
[16:07]  * xnox fiddles
[16:08] <xnox> tadah https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=yakkety&arch=amd64&package=libmail-gnupg-perl&trigger=gnupg2%2F2.1.15-1ubuntu2&trigger=libmail-gnupg-perl%2F0.22-1ubuntu2
[16:34] <Laney> xnox: did that work?
[16:34] <Laney> I'm not that comfortable forcing gpg-related tests
[17:42] <doko> kenvandine: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-007/+sourcepub/6843960/+listing-archive-extra   there is no need to drop the java package and the java build-deps
[17:42] <kenvandine> doko, why?  we don't want to do an MIR for tomcat
[17:42] <doko> kenvandine: we did the archive reorg last cycle
[17:43] <doko> kenvandine: build-deps from universe are fine
[17:44] <kenvandine> oh they are?
[17:44] <kenvandine> that's good :)
[17:44] <teward> unless they add new runtime deps
[17:44] <kenvandine> ok
[17:44] <kenvandine> they don't in this case
[17:44] <teward> s/new runtime deps/new runtime binary dependencies on something in universe as a result of building with the Universe package(s)/
[17:44]  * teward was imprecise
[17:45] <doko> and I assume the java module will end up in universe anyway


[01:03] <bschaefer> RAOF, alright, merged trunk and fixed some minor things
[01:03] <bschaefer> i think its ready... but you never know :)
[01:03] <bschaefer> passing locally for me
[01:04] <RAOF> SHIP IT!
[01:05] <RAOF> Or at least run CI against it :)
[01:08] <bschaefer> RAOF, :)
[02:02]  * bschaefer wonders how that wasnt caught
[02:15] <duflu> bschaefer: If you mean that CI failure... it only fails sometimes. And even then only in CI. Never when you run it manually :/
[02:15] <duflu> Annoyingly difficult to fix
[02:15] <duflu> Something about our CI machines is very different to the team's own machines
[02:17] <bschaefer> duflu, well i guess it compiled somehow on my end
[02:17] <bschaefer> but shouldnt have :)
[02:17]  * bschaefer started getting errors
[02:17] <bschaefer> and idk how it happened haha
[02:18] <duflu> bschaefer: Yeah it compiles and passes tests for everyone. Except sometimes fails that test only in CI
[02:18] <bschaefer> duflu, haha... well i think this case it was my fault :)
[02:19]  * bschaefer would not like that
[02:19] <duflu> OK, different topic then
[02:19] <bschaefer> yeah
[02:19] <bschaefer> duflu, but i've seen that
[02:59] <duflu> Heh. If you want something to land quickly just get me to not like it. Then a large number of people will argue the opposite and your branch gets rapid approval
[02:59] <duflu> Works every time
[03:41]  * bschaefer wonders why CI seems to hate me
[03:41] <bschaefer> i think it just blew up...
[03:48] <duflu> bschaefer: I only just fixed that failure you reported. Any CI jobs started in the past few hours will fail with that error that's already fixed. Try again.
[03:48] <bschaefer> duflu, Well it failed by saying the nodes went off line :(
[03:48] <bschaefer> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-mediumtests-builder-vivid-armhf/3569/console
[03:48] <duflu> Woo. No that's not me
[03:48]  * bschaefer hasnt ever seen that
[03:48] <bschaefer> haha
[03:48]  * bschaefer hopes it turns back on
[03:51] <duflu> bschaefer: The universe is telling you to EOD
[03:51] <bschaefer> haha
[03:51] <bschaefer> duflu, just wanted to see the SUCCESS
[03:51] <bschaefer> before i headed off
[03:52] <duflu> I know. It's a trap. But having the self control to log off is a good way to stay sane
[03:53] <bschaefer> true, just watching tv and checking my email every now and then
[03:53] <bschaefer> not much working going on :)
[03:57] <duflu> Such is the way in this always connected world.
[03:58] <bschaefer> true, hard to log off irc
[03:58] <duflu> bschaefer: Yeah other branches are dying in CI too. Not something likely to be fixed quickly
[03:59] <bschaefer> yeah o well, its all passing locally now (double checked) soo
[03:59] <bschaefer> im like 99% sure its done
[05:03] <RAOF> Yeeeeeeeeeees!
[05:03] <RAOF> Finally CI passes!
[08:56] <duflu> greyback: Are you aware of any touch test case that has stretchy resize still?
[08:56] <duflu> Or is it only desktop?
[08:59] <duflu> Never mind. Found one bug at least
[09:00] <greyback> duflu: it's all qml/qtmir's fault, where they don't wait for a resized buffer before drawing it at the new size.
[09:01] <duflu> greyback: Yeah I know what to fix, just wanted a manual test case
[09:01] <duflu> Found them
[09:08] <duflu> Crap. Except I lost my phone build environment and may not have enough time to rebuild it this week
[09:20] <greyback> duflu: hey, will you have that early buffer release in qtmir work ready to propose any time soon?
[09:21] <duflu> greyback: It's painfully slow. The Mir fix landed yesterday and then I had to revert it today. Now waiting on CI to get fixed again so I can find out why it fails only in CI
[09:22] <greyback> duflu: ah ok. I noticed your fix landed, didn't see it had to be reverted.
[09:22] <duflu> So I'm now donating my Friday evening to an unrelated QtMir fix
[09:22] <greyback> the stretched frames issue?
[09:23] <duflu> greyback: Yeah generally "never stretch"
[09:23] <greyback> duflu: ok. Your thoughts are welcome
[09:24] <greyback> mainly shell needs to not animate towards a resized-frame, until a frame with that size has been swapped by the client
[09:25] <greyback> right now we fire resize, do our animation on the previous frame, then hope the resized frame is ready at the end of the animation
[10:08] <duflu> greyback: Happy Friday. I'm off to make dinner... https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/qtmir/unstretch/+merge/268724
[10:34]  * alan_g discovers the diagnostics from connection failures get eaten in the client callstack.
[10:59] <alan_g> Actually, they don't even reach the client
[11:19] <kgunn> is it worse to be lost or eaten
[11:24] <Mirv> I finally got archive admin approval, meaning Mir 0.15 is now in wily
[11:24] <Mirv> (-proposed)
[11:25] <Mirv> AlbertA: ^
[11:27] <kgunn> mmm
[11:27] <alan_g> kgunn: the reporting is misleading and confused me. (And I have touched most of this code.) Going to MP a small cleanup.
[11:29] <kgunn> alf: just in case, so you know, silo 9 where you delivered that hot fix for the emulator - is a dual landing, since mir15 landed....i'm gonna pull it out of there
[11:29] <kgunn> and land that thing in isolation to vivid+
[11:30] <kgunn> does that make sense
[11:34] <alf> kgunn: ok, so we will eventually need to include the fix in 0.15.x (or 0.16 if we get to it)
[11:35] <kgunn> alf: +1 we should just have 2 silos, one for vivid+o hotfix to 14, then wily for 15
[11:36] <kgunn> i can take care of "paperwork"
[11:36] <kgunn> just wanted you to know
[11:36] <alf> kgunn: ack, thanks
[11:36] <kgunn> alf: but thanks for the reminder it wasn't naturally in 15 ;)
[11:36] <kgunn> i forgot
[11:37] <kgunn> we haven't taken a cut off for 16 yet have we ?
[11:37] <kgunn> and is this change already on trunk ?
[11:38] <alf> kgunn: we haven't cut off for 16, change is in trunk
[11:47] <kgunn> cool
[14:12] <AlbertA> Mirv: ummm I acutally parked that because
[14:12] <AlbertA> we wanted 0.14.1 to land first....
[14:13] <AlbertA> oh gosh....what a mess
[14:16] <AlbertA> Mirv: can we revert mir 0.15 from wily-proposed?
[14:26] <Mirv> AlbertA: oh, I parsed your message wrongly in that case. but it was FF yesterday, if you'd cancel 0.15 now you wouldn't get it in without FFe. isn't it easier to do a maintenance release of 0.15 with 0.14.1 changes added on top of it?
[14:26] <AlbertA> Mirv: the problem is sync to vivid+overlay.... but we'll figure it out thanks
[14:27] <Mirv> AlbertA: yes it was already discussed a bit so that silo 9 would be vivid+overlay only and you'd sort it out
[14:27] <Mirv> since silo 9 also has a small mir fix
[15:49] <alan_g> camako: did you intend to approve https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/simplify-connect-code/+merge/268740?
[15:50] <camako> alan_g, yes... reapproved


[08:29] <zamba> can cloud-init help deploy ubuntu .ovas to standalone esxi servers?
[10:00] <otubo> smoser: thanks for the review. Just requested some input from blackboxsw and Odd_Bloke on the matter of merging the commits separately. If github allows to handle that I think we're good to merge?
[10:48] <meena> otubo: github can't really do that
[10:51] <otubo> meh :(
[11:05] <otubo> I'm gonna change the commit message, smoser you can squash it all together if you want.
[13:44] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: Our process requires single commits to master for changelog generation etc.; the only way of ensuring that is to squash-and-merge in GitHub, so we can only land one commit per PR.
[13:44] <Odd_Bloke> (We've talked about ways of changing that, but none of them are imminent, unfortunately.)
[13:56] <smoser> the 'update branch' button... is that fallout of "squash-and-merge only" ? its annoying that i have to hit 'update branch', and then wait until it succeeds. i'm pretty sure you dont' always have to do that.
[13:57] <smoser> it makes sense , but that is new to me. and i have to push the button, and then remember to pay attention, because if i've forgotten, then another commit may have gone into master
[13:57] <smoser> and i have to push the button again.
[13:57] <powersj> smoser, in our branch settings we have enabled a setting to ensure branches are up to date before merging
[13:58] <smoser> its just human intensive
[13:59] <smoser> i machine can certainly do that.
[14:00] <falcojr> that's a good point...we *could* relax that somewhat
[14:01] <falcojr> I think by default github allows a merge as long as it merges cleanly, not that the branch has to always be up to date
[14:02] <powersj> right, I believe the original reason we enabled this requirement was after tests were broken between merges
[14:04] <smoser> its kind of surprising though.. github is really , *really* good.
[14:04] <smoser> why is there no "land this if tests pass"
[14:04] <smoser> with a serial queue of buttom presses
[14:06] <falcojr> there's a github app for that
[14:06] <smoser> i think thats apple's ad campaign, not github.
[14:07] <otubo> Odd_Bloke: I understand, will plan better for the next one.
[14:07] <otubo> smoser: thanks for merging so quick
[14:10] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, the issue is that Travis doesn't re-run tests without new commits being added to the PR: so we can easily break master if there is some non-textual conflict between what is now in master and what was in master when the tests last ran.
[14:10] <smoser> i'm in the mood to complain (which isn't anything new).
[14:11] <smoser> hirsute is way to close to hisuite, which is Huawei's phone manager application.
[14:11] <smoser> having known the name 'hisuite', hirsute is really hard to type
[14:11] <Odd_Bloke> We've talked about using https://bors.tech/ which would solve this for us (because it _does_ rerun tests before landing), but we haven't had the opportunity to dig into it yet.
[14:11] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: I hope hisuite is implemented in (JVM language) Groovy.
[14:12] <Odd_Bloke> (I've definitely had at least one friend jokingly complain that we've wrecked their searches for their Groovy work. :p)
[14:14] <AscII> smoser: I hope PR# 630 is now okay for you ;-)
[14:17] <AscII> thx!
[14:22] <smoser> AscII: since you're here. i just comented there.
[14:22] <smoser> if you weren't here, i'd have landed it.
[14:25] <AscII> fixed
[15:04] <blackboxsw> otubo: will talk about this review today, was bogged down in interviewing yesterday.
[15:15] <otubo> blackboxsw: you mean, about having separate commits on the same PR? Or about the review itself? Because it's already merged :)
[16:22] <otubo> blackboxsw: but something I'd like to ask is if there's any plan for a new release anytime soon. Wanted to do a new rebase for Fedora and would be to have the most recent version.
[16:27] <meena> otubo: last i heard, an SRU was *imminent*
[18:40] <meena> i cannot seem to be able to mock __enter__
[18:41] <jms1> are beginner-level questions welcome here?
[18:41] <meena> jms1: we cater to the full spectrum.
[18:45] <jms1> i'm not clear on how `merge_how` is supposed to work … https://pastebin.com/cqMDKNDv is part of what i'm doing, the machine is created with the epel repo but without the docker-ce repo
[18:47] <jms1> the entire file is actually concatenated from multiple input files by terraform. i've already verified that the `/var/lib/cloud/instances/xxx/user-data.txt` file contains what i intended it to, the pastebin is copied from that file
[19:01] <meena> Odd_Bloke: updated: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/635 and added extremely failing tests to https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/637 i'll need some help with that.
[19:02] <meena> jms1: so, what's the problem?
[19:07] <jms1> the machine is created with the "cloudinit-epel" repo, but not the "cloudinit-docker-ce" repo
[19:09] <jms1> it's like the first `yum_repos` hash is being totally overwritten by the second one, instead of the two being merged together
[19:13] <meena> aaah, yeah, that is true and makes sense.
[19:18] <jms1> that's why i added the `merge_how` hash up top, to make it "merge" dictionaries rather than the second instance totally overwriting the first one. the documentation about the `no_replace` option could be clearer, i'm just trying to make sure i understand how it's _supposed_ to work.
[19:24] <meena> jms1: that documentation ( https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/merging.html )really needs to have an example that's not just a list.
[19:27] <meena> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1532234
[20:41] <jms1> not what i was hoping for, but at least it's a _known_ issue. i guess i'll move all of the repos into the first "common" file, and all machine types will have all the yum repos, whether they need docker or not. thanks.
[21:04] <blackboxsw> otubo: thanks for the question earlier.  I was under the impression we were trying to get another release in before end of year. I'll touch base tomorrow to confirm and we can send a mail to the mailinglist


[03:05] <LedHed> I'm having trouble with LTSP clients and Compiz.
[03:05] <LedHed> Is it possible to turn it off?
[03:06] <LedHed> I set visual effects = none,  but gtk-window-deco keeps eating up my CPU
[05:22] <alkisg> Good morning
[08:22] <vmlintu> Anyone experiencing problems with nbd-proxy on lucid? We've been testing it and it seems to cause quite a few boot problems with some clients. The symptoms are that the boot process just hangs before login screen (something like half of boots fail). When nbd-proxy is taken out of the picture, there are no boot problems.
[08:23] <alkisg> I'm having RAM problems with nbd-proxy, it needs 25 MB of ram and that's too much for thin clients
[08:24] <alkisg> I wonder if we should at least put a kernel parameter to disable it... e.g. pxelinux.cfg/default: quiet splash no-nbd-proxy or something
[08:37] <alkisg> Hmm or better, an lts.conf option. OK I'm gonna implement that, it's surely useful for 64mb clients.
[08:46] <alkisg> Bah it's not possible to parse lts.conf before mounting the root fs, because getltscfg is not available...
[08:47]  * alkisg wishes that getltscfg actually run on the server, and the clients only got the part that is relevant for them as a shell script with VAR=VALUE entries...
[08:47] <alkisg> Or better yet that we ditched lts.conf completely and made an ltsp_client_config.d directory in /etc/ instead.
[08:59] <alkisg> stgraber: how would you feel about adding a kernel parameter to disable nbd-proxy, while also disabling it by default for clients with < 100mb ram?
[08:59] <alkisg> http://alkisg.pastebin.com/HnxZ5g6m
[09:00] <alkisg> nbd-proxy here needs 23980 KB RAM while nbd-client only needs 1684.
[09:02] <alkisg> ..and for maverick wouldn't it be better to send any nbd-related patches upstream, and completely ditch nbd-proxy?
[09:08] <vmlintu> I didn't realise that it requires so much memory
[09:08] <alkisg> For example, with nbd-proxy, I can't run gparted locally on a client, while without it, I can. (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GParted)
[09:08] <alkisg> (on an 64mb ram client)
[09:12]  * alkisg also hasn't ever experienced the problem that nbd-proxy is supposed to be solving...
[09:27] <vmlintu> I'll have to do some more testing with nbd-proxy and figure out how to disable it if it keeps causing problems..
[19:47] <bencrisford> highvoltage: meeting tonight?
[19:48] <highvoltage> bencrisford: yep
[19:48] <bencrisford> :)
[19:48]  * bencrisford runs date -u, he doesnt trust his brain to do the calculation
[19:48] <alkisg> In 10 minutes?
[19:49] <bencrisford> thats what I make it :)
[19:49] <highvoltage> alkisg: yep
[19:49] <alkisg> Ty
[19:49]  * highvoltage is thankful that he doesn't live in a country with DST or anything weird like that
[20:14] <alkisg> stgraber: hi, how would you feel about adding a (optional, of course) kernel parameter to disable nbd-proxy, while also disabling it by default for clients with < 100mb ram? http://alkisg.pastebin.com/HnxZ5g6m
[20:19] <stgraber> alkisg: it wouldn't affect any of my deployments and < 100MB is probably < i686 so won't boot on maverick anyway ;) so I'm fine with that
[20:19] <alkisg> Nice. Whoah, maveric won't support booting Pentium III's ?
[20:20] <alkisg> (or even celerons, amd k6 etc...)
[20:21] <stgraber> alkisg: depends, I believe most P3 are i686 but P2 will be unsuported and so are AMD Geodes
[20:22] <alkisg> OK, P2's and Geodes are rare here, but celerons @300/600 MHz with 64MB RAM are too common
[20:22] <alkisg> (more than 50% of our ltsp installations)
[20:22] <alkisg> Thanks :)
[20:33] <alkisg> Hmmm ok so we lose Pentium MMX and AMD K6, no big deal. Mendicino etc are i686, so no problem...
[20:34] <alkisg> *Mendocino
[21:02] <highvoltage> stgraber: p2 are i686 too
[21:02] <highvoltage> alkisg: Pentium Pro and up is i686
[21:03] <alkisg> highvoltage: I read that MMX and AMD K6 are 586
[21:03] <alkisg> ...so we'll lose about 1 out of every 10 clients, not a really big deal... (considering that we'll keep lucid for at least 2 years)
[21:04] <highvoltage> alkisg: yep, the old Pentium 1s before the Pentium Pros (that's about all the Pentiums slower than 200mhz) won't work
[21:05] <alkisg> Some MMX that I have are 233 MHz and the AMD K6's are 300 MHz
[21:05] <highvoltage> those machines are pretty badly supported atm anyway in terms of display cards, disk controllers, etc. imho nobody should be using them already :)
[21:05] <highvoltage> alkisg: hmm, and the 233mhz ones aren't pentium pro yet?
[21:06] <alkisg> The amd k6 boots ltsp 9.10 in about 70 seconds while the others on that lab (celerons @600mhz) boot in 60 seconds - so it's really usable, not a big difference from the others
[21:06] <alkisg> It can play full screen video and everything..
[21:06] <highvoltage> alkisg: at least there's lucid that's lts if you have to use old stuff
[21:07] <alkisg> Yup, we'll be sticking to lts releases from now on - ltsp is in good shape now for us
[21:07] <alkisg> (while in hardy it wasn't suited for greek schools)
[21:08] <highvoltage> *nod*
[21:08] <alkisg> highvoltage: need any help in that live ltsp script?
[21:08] <highvoltage> lots of things have improved between hardy and lucid
[21:09] <alkisg> E.g. we cold massively speed it up by manually appending the users to passwd/shadow... hacky, but it would save a couple of minutes
[21:09] <highvoltage> alkisg: the plan is to convert it to a quickly application. currently it uses zenity which is very very limited in terms of functionality
[21:10] <highvoltage> alkisg: I'm not at all against that. it's on a live system that gets trashed on reboot so I can't see why it should specifically be a problem
[21:10] <alkisg> It could also be tweaked to work with single nic systems, and even in proxydhcp mode (external dhcp server around)
[21:10] <highvoltage> alkisg: could even go as far as have the entries pre-defined and just use cat >> to add it to the passwd file, that would make it pretty much instant
[21:11] <highvoltage> it does work with single-nic systems currently
[21:11] <alkisg> We could add one user normally and then duplicate that entry - it should be quite portable and also instant
[21:11] <highvoltage> (if you only have eth0 and it's currently configured then you can specify eth0:1 and it will work)
[21:11] <alkisg> highvoltage: proxydhcp == without the ltsp server being the dhcp server
[21:11] <highvoltage> ah right
[21:12] <alkisg> I.e. when the server is wired to a switch and a router is around, which is a common setup
[21:13] <alkisg> (otherwise the users would have to shut off the router's dhcp server)
[21:33] <alkisg> stgraber: could we put ltsp-chroot to /usr/sbin like debian does?