[19:31] <syder> hi
[19:35] <syder> k
[19:36] <syder> anybody here ?
[19:39] <erUSUL> hi
[19:39] <erUSUL> :|
[20:00] <niko> erUSUL: you have to work on your 'hi'
[20:00] <m4v> add some extra points in your charisma skill
[20:13] <erUSUL> m4v: indeed... being half-orc  does not help at all ;)
[20:14] <alefteris> can I devoice a user in a channel that is not moderated (+m)?
[20:15] <erUSUL> alefteris: quiet him ?
[20:16] <alefteris> how?
[20:16] <erUSUL> alefteris: +b %hostmask
[20:18] <alefteris> +b is not channel ban?
[20:18] <ubot4> In #ubuntu-irc, alefteris said: +b is not channel ban?
[20:18] <erUSUL> alefteris: i.e /mode +b %alefteris!*@*
[20:18] <erUSUL> alefteris: note the % in front of the hostmask
[20:19] <alefteris> what about it?
[20:19] <erUSUL> alefteris: that makes it a quiet not a ban
[20:19] <erUSUL> alefteris: afaics http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[20:20] <m4v> or /mode +q alefteris!*@*  which is the same, but less easy to confuse as a ban
[20:20] <m4v> but everyone else will see it as +b %asdasd though
[20:21] <alefteris> erUSUL, I would like to give some more people permission to moderate the channel, so I should give them rights to be able to quiet people? any idea what the flag is?
[20:21] <m4v> /msg chanserv help flags
[20:21] <alefteris> ok so i sould set flag +q right?
[20:23] <erUSUL> alefteris: dunno; you need to be op i guess (+o)
[20:24] <alefteris> yes so a basic setup could be +oqt
[20:25] <erUSUL> alefteris: there is no +q flag
[20:25] <erUSUL> alefteris: at least chanserv help does not list it
[20:27] <alefteris> I confused it with the channel modes, in the web page you send me :(
[20:27] <m4v> alefteris: the +q is a user mode, not a chanserv access flag
[20:27] <m4v> is for /mode +q nick/hostmask, it quiets users
[20:28] <alefteris> ok, what's the permission the for users to be able to do that?
[20:28] <alefteris> s/the/then
[20:28] <m4v> need to be op
[20:29] <alefteris> just that? cool
[20:29] <erUSUL> alefteris: +o I guess (as said already)
[20:29] <alefteris> ok thanks a lot all
[20:42] <niko> in a +m channel +b % don't stop him to talk
[20:42] <niko> until he devoicing him
[20:45] <erUSUL> niko: 21:14 < alefteris> can I devoice a user in a channel that is *not* moderated (+m)? ||| emphasis mine :)
[20:45] <niko> ah sorry.
[20:47] <alefteris> another question, using /mode quiet then says tha the user has been baned, so this is different than using the quiet command of the chanserv
[20:51] <erUSUL> alefteris: dunno... niko?
[20:54] <niko> alefteris: when you use chanserv quiet command, the guy is informed about who do that
[20:56] <alefteris> this is the only difference? I mean when I would like to do /mode quiet I need to become op, so the user will know probably who set ban on him
[20:56] <alefteris> so in both cases the user knows, right?
[20:57] <niko> yes
[20:59] <alefteris> when trying to use chanserv quiet, +o flag on the channel is not enough, what other perimission someone needs to use it?
[21:23] <niko> i think +r, but not sure


[14:15] <cr3> hey dudes
[14:25] <cr3> ara: many thanks for your emails regarding checkbox
[14:25] <ara> cr3:  hey marc, morning. np :-)
[14:25] <cr3> schwuk: dude, thanks so much for all those LP teams
[16:45]  * ara -> break; will be back for the meeting
[17:05] <slangasek> alpha-5 candidate images trickling in: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all


[17:20] <Agafonov> apollo13: zed: Hi! I cannot axfr our zone (which is right) but I need *.ubuntu.ru domain list to check my local records because we are switching IPs. Can you help me, please?


 I had a missed call apparently from toledo...
[04:19] <cheri703> eh
[04:19] <cheri703> haven't poked at it yet
[04:20] <cheri703> today was rough -_-
[04:20] <Unit193> Eh, that stinks...
[04:21] <cheri703> yeah, so I haven't worked on it. not really looking forward to it :/
[04:22] <cheri703> I mean, granted, it's easier than setting up windows, but I had a bunch of stuff configured and whatnot, and that is the annoying part, I had no opportunity for recovery
[04:23] <Unit193> Config is the hard part, getting the same programs isn't quite as hard
[04:24] <Unit193> Reminds me that I'll never get around to setting one up :/
[04:25] <cheri703> yeah...trying to convince myself it's worth the effort...might just wait til sunday and deal with annoying way it is working now (put hdd from other comp in it, but don't have synergy set up)
[04:26] <Unit193> Server has synergy?
[04:28] <canthus13> cheri703: ...?
[04:28] <canthus13> cheri703: I don't have your phone number. :P
[04:32] <cheri703> heh, I figured, no idea who called me
[04:33] <cheri703> I just don't know anyone else in toledo
[04:34] <canthus13> cheri703: I'm a geek. I'd look for you here first.
[04:35] <cheri703> hehe
[04:35]  * cheri703 is only here in limited bursts since server killed itself
[04:35] <Unit193> Call? Phone?
[14:46] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[15:00] <jandrusk> Morning freak.
[17:37] <thafreak> So, I put oneric beta2 on my old laptop...and installed gnome-shell...
[17:37] <thafreak> it seems to work great...
[17:37] <thafreak> hopefully they'll get all the kvm and spice stuff working too, and I can ditch fedora 15 on the new laptop
[17:54] <jandrusk> Awesome
[18:07] <dzho> gah, spice
[19:08] <thafreak> what's wrong with spice?
[19:13] <dzho> I just remember when RH announced it, they did so through a web site that was so full of javascript it wouldn't even load enough to tell me what spice was without javascript enabled in my browser
[19:15] <dzho> http://bsod.posterous.com/noscript-mayhem
[19:58] <Unit193> Sadly, this doesn't work for us Linux users http://imgur.com/gallery/mXQ40
[20:00] <thafreak> LOL
[20:00] <thafreak> i'd post that to facebook, but then I'd have people calling me to fix their stupid computers
[20:01] <thafreak> As for spice, it's a protocol for remote desktops
[20:01] <thafreak> but it includes stuff for rendering things client side if needed
[20:01] <thafreak> the goal is to have a virtual machine running somewhere, and you can remotely attach to it, and do things like watch hd movies or play video games on it
[20:02] <thafreak> anything that requires hardware acceleration can use the hardware on the viewer's end
[20:04] <thafreak> There's new hardware coming out, that has hardly any cpu power (think low power ARM cpus) but has video acceleration hardware to play back HD video and video games
[20:05] <thafreak> so you can get a thin client for cheap, and run the OS on a server in your basement, but have the full experience of a full fleddged desktop at your desk
[20:05] <thafreak> but using only like 10watts of power
[20:05] <thafreak> and taking up hardly any desktop space
[20:05] <Unit193> I think I would rather have afull desktop tho9ugh I just need somthing to control VBox :P
[20:05] <thafreak> i guess it's a bigger deal for the business users than it is for home users still...
[20:06] <Unit193> I would assume that too (At least hope)
[20:06] <thafreak> It's sort of my dream for my clients...
[20:06] <thafreak> cause I can very easily remote in and fix a broken desktop if it is just a virtual machine
[20:07] <thafreak> but when it's real hardware, that tends to involve me driving in and picking the machine up
[20:07] <thafreak> blah...waste of my time
[20:08] <thafreak> Oh, any mac people here? I need to test the ram on a G5...was wondering if anyone knew of a memtest86 type boot cd for power pc
[20:08] <Unit193> I don't, bnut I can ask
[21:59] <dzho> oh, hmm
[22:00] <Unit193> Oh yeah, I asked.
[22:00] <Unit193> http://arrowquick.com/blog/2008/06/28/memtest/ ? or put the ram in an x86 machine :P


[00:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T111: create suspend button for sddm theme] Guephren (Fernando) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T111#2178
[00:04] <wxl> danke
 There. … Gotta say, this is the weirdest way I've ever shared an image.
[00:06] <wxl> but a very reasonable and portable one
 That's true.
[00:18] <guiverc> fyi: i just noted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1841000 in #ubuntu-bugs-announce,
 @teward001 [because I made SystemD units that work lol?  xD], You keep track of our systems and make sure it stays working. That's awesome. It isn't always about the complexity.
[02:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rUPDATENOTIFIERca21971114f2: fix changelog unreleased to eoan] Hans P Möller<EMAIL_ADDRESS>committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rUPDATENOTIFIERca21971114f2
 wxl ^^ already fixed e-mail
 sorry, fixed e-mail on https://phab.lubuntu.me/D36
[02:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Added lximage-qt-screenshot.desktop with NoDisplay=true so it does not appear because we changed screenshot program to screengrab: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D36
 lubuntu-update-notifier is ready
 wxl @tsimonq2 {
 ^
 @HMollerCl [lubuntu-update-notifier is ready], 👍
 @HMollerCl [lubuntu-update-notifier is ready], Good ;)
[02:35] <wxl> @kc2bez: @teward001's official title is Simon Quigley's Janitorial Assistant XD
 Well, that can be a daunting task XD
[02:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: investigate yshui's compton fork] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2179
 @teward001 [wasn't that hard.], I couldn't systemd my znc. So.. it is a bit hard.
 @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez: @teward001's official title is Simon Quigley's Janitorial Assista …], Ewwww. He deserves better.
 @kc2bez [You keep track of our systems and make sure it stays working. That's awesome. It …], well, that's part of the job of being hired as such :P
 @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez: @teward001's official title is Simon Quigley's Janitorial Assista …], no you mean "The Cleaner" - and i mean that generally jot because of Simon lol
 @teward001 [well, that's part of the job of being hired as such :P], hired or not, it is still appreciated.
 Btw, anybody interested in seeing the blockchain app I made? It applies blockchain to the process of voting.
[03:15] <wxl> no, no one wants to see your hard work. and certainly you won't find anyone here interested in blockchains.
[03:15] <wxl> [/sarcasm]
[03:16] <wxl> just paste it already :)
 It's a video.
[03:16] <wxl> @teward001 he's got you doing bodies now, too, huh?
[03:17] <wxl> …and ?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<reply to image>], ^ I doubt you will be able to see this in irc.
[03:19] <wxl> dumb
[03:20]  * wxl throws teleirc into a firey blaze
 https://t.me/ldevel2019/74087
 ^ this link works?
[03:22] <wxl> nope
[03:23]  * wxl throws telegram into a nuclear meltdown
 https://youtu.be/x2f4ZbLE4Zg
 ^ This will.
 I saw "Electron blockchain" and wanted to blow up the internet
 *blames @teward001 for dumb bridge* XD
[03:25] <wxl> electron or election?
 Election
[03:25] <wxl> X''''''''''''''''''''''''D no that's definitely @tsimonq2's fault
[03:25] <wxl> phew electron is meh
 It's an app proposed to improve election process in our country.
 @wxl [<wxl> phew electron is meh], +1
 I like the other electron tho. Never allows me to determine it's position and speed accurately together.
 Hope someone gets it. ^
[03:28] <wxl> XD
[03:28] <wxl> i like topological superconductivity, too.
 I haven't dug so far. Just started Quantum mechanics II this sem so probably soon.
 Read a bit of Quantum field theory a couple of days ago. Daamnn!! Ggwp!
[03:54] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker i'm good to go on the shortcuts right?
[03:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS57756891d134: Added lximage-qt-screenshot.desktop with NoDisplay=true so it does not appear…] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS57756891d134
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker i'm good to go on the shortcuts right?], I am still not sure. I think wait. I will remove earlier file in a while.
[03:59] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker come onnnnnnn man
 I might seem over cautious but wait 1/2 please.
[04:03] <wxl> i will take that to mean ½s
 we anyway have to remove that unnecessary file someday. better if we do it beforre putting our own. i think.
[04:08] <wxl> agreed
[04:08] <wxl> but you're taking too looooong
 aslo I should create a new patch right? for removing that file?
 @wxl [<wxl> but you're taking too looooong], CLoning rn. 5 mins
[04:09] <wxl> XD
 5 mins to clone or 5 mins to rm the file?
 doesn't build says there's fuzz
 but I ran quilt refresh
[04:17] <wxl> oops
[04:17] <wxl> what you talking about? let's see your patch
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/P35
[04:19] <wxl> --lang diff
[04:19] <wxl> fyi
 what?
[04:20] <wxl> cat debian/patches/your/patch | arc paste --lang diff
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/P36
[04:21] <wxl> uhhh
[04:21] <wxl> that seems... unlikely
 what should I do?
[04:23] <wxl> did you look at the patch?
 yeah. it looked empty?
[04:23] <wxl> yep
[04:23] <wxl> Nothing in patch remove-conf.patch
 yeah why? I had done quilt new patch and then removed the file.
[04:24] <wxl> so first you don't want to demove debian
[04:24] <wxl> you didn't tell quilt you removed the file
 So I first remove file and then quilt new patch?
 or do I do quilt remove /path/to/file?
[04:26] <wxl> f i remember correctly, you want to `quilt add` the file after `quilt new` and then delete the actual file and `quilt push`
 But I am not adding the file right? or does quilt add adds file to patch and then worls?
 yeah later seems likely.
 I will try again
[04:28] <wxl> quilt add adds the file to the patch
[04:28] <wxl> you're telling it to track that file in the patch
 Ah! same problem occured yesterday I guess when I was hand patching it.
 building now. will be there in a sec
 Again error while building :(
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/P37
 ^ wxl:
 ^^ Anybody ?
[04:39] <wxl> you didn't quilt push
 when before quile new?
 I did.
[04:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc48a6a90ee3b: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc48a6a90ee3b
[04:39] <wxl> oh and also you probably have an .install file in debian putting it in place
[04:40] <wxl> actually a question
[04:40] <wxl> if someone is not on lubuntu and using lxqt-globalkeys, don't they need this to have a sane initial configuration?
 they wull be using upstream release na? not lubuntu's version right?
 *will
[04:41] <wxl> talking about being on ubuntu
[04:41] <wxl> or mate
[04:41] <wxl> or kubuntu
[04:41] <wxl> or xubuntu
[04:41] <wxl> or whatever
[04:41] <wxl> they'd be inclined to grab some the ubuntu repos
 then we need this file I guess. But won't this file mess with xdg one?
 @wxl [<wxl> they'd be inclined to grab some the ubuntu repos], But then they will also have their simillar config file in their *ubuntu-default-settings. won't they?
[04:44] <wxl> you presume too much
[04:44] <wxl> ubuntu doesn't even really think abot lxqt
[04:45] <wxl> just like we don't think about kde or gnome
[04:45] <lynorian> or people that install from minimal and don't install lubuntu-default-settings
 I think I should shut up and let you land D34. we will see what happens
[04:46] <wxl> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS includes /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu followed by /etc/xdg
[04:46] <wxl> that means anything in the former takes precedence over the latter
 ohh! then we are golden.
 @wxl [<wxl> that means anything in the former takes precedence over the latter], I didn't know this.
[04:48] <wxl> https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
[04:48] <wxl> you really should read the entirety of the freedesktop specifications
 so land it wxl. and sorry for delay.
 @wxl [<wxl> you really should read the entirety of the freedesktop specifications], ack.
 noted.
 @wxl [<wxl> you really should read the entirety of the freedesktop specifications], Believe me, if you continue on in your Ubuntu (and hopefully Debian) career, there are much worse things you'll have to read
[04:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8d5a1e54f125: Move numlock after login checkbox to the end where it belongs] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8d5a1e54f125
 @tsimonq2 [Believe me, if you continue on in your Ubuntu (and hopefully Debian) career, the …], Ready to do that as long as I don't get deprived of coffee while reading.
[04:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rARTc9253b3cbbe4: add actual suspend button. fixes T110, T111] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rARTc9253b3cbbe4
[04:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9157360ff22f: Move wheel scroll lines to front of paragraph] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9157360ff22f
[05:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALeb50d0049dc6: Move Version Section below usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALeb50d0049dc6
[05:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rART8d1fd8db24ac: oops forgot changelog] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rART8d1fd8db24ac
[05:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALec61d4444f5d: Move version down below screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALec61d4444f5d
[05:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rART1ef3b932b65b: bump debian compatibility stuff] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rART1ef3b932b65b
[05:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rARTd9d4afce0110: i guess debian/compat isn't legacy after all] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rARTd9d4afce0110
[05:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4f1740698fe8: Add brightness confirmation screenshot to brightness] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4f1740698fe8
[05:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL76fbc95cf85e: Remove uneeded likely] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL76fbc95cf85e
[05:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1257b7272db3: Move version below screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1257b7272db3
[05:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS375b8c9d149c: Edited shortcuts] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS375b8c9d149c
[05:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS6701e0013c2e: bump debian compat stuff] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS6701e0013c2e
[05:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf6259423c758: Move version below usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf6259423c758
[05:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3c7da524bfb2: Remove uneeded whitespace] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3c7da524bfb2
[05:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfa4704404d2a: Move version under usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfa4704404d2a
[13:20] <crydotsnake-M> Hello! :)
 @The_LoudSpeaker [*blames @teward001 for dumb bridge* XD], ?
[13:25] <crydotsnake-M> How are you all :)
[14:01]  * crydotsnake-M uploaded an image: Screenshot_40.png (4KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/kde.org/NwUwcWIYJwfsmTuoCsVVKQKG >
[14:01] <crydotsnake-M> tsimonq2: Hello!, i would let you know that there is a bug with the Social Icons on the lubuntu.me website!. I see the problem on the Computer, and also on my Smartphone.
 thanks crydotsnake-M
[14:31] <crydotsnake-M> Np :) !
 a lot of lubuntu things landed today: download-fetching lubuntu-artwork, download-fetching lubuntu-default-settings, download-fetching plymouth-theme-lubuntu-logo, download-fetching plymouth-theme-lubuntu-text, download-fetching sddm-theme-lubuntu
 @HMollerCl [a lot of lubuntu things landed today: download-fetching lubuntu-artwork, downloa …], that'd be because Lubuntu is behind on the FF part
 not to mention today is FF
 so these need to land and such before freeze 😛
[14:35]  * crydotsnake-M uploaded an image: lubuntunav.png (4KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/kde.org/FoXtcNLgeziKKoWzAHejFPaj >
[14:35] <crydotsnake-M> Can we maybe change the color of "wiki"?, because its a bit hard to read. Or is that normal?.
 Fwd from negronipepperoni: <negronipepperoni> hey all! just wanted to report something before i have to run off to work. after updating with the STABLE CI Output PPA today many shortcut keys no longer work. particularly FN+ shortcuts for volume, along with using the meta / super key to open the application menu.
 wxl @The_LoudSpeaker ^
 that's in support channel
 Umm you checked in the morning right? It was working.
 He updated from PPA so global configs got changed but local ones didn't. I suppose.
 I still have the order, issue, but I haven't restarted after today upgrade
 "the order" : need to restart panel and launcher so that shorcuts for them take effect
 but I'm now in virtualbox so no Fn keys
 @HMollerCl I am still not well and cannot test. Could someone test on a real machine with an iso created after pushing D34 ?
 And that guy left the channel I suppose. Can't find him on irc.
[16:59] <wxl> yeah i'm sure that's the case
[17:05] <wxl> that thing with the icons is weird
[17:05] <wxl> as far as i can tell that comes from fruitful
 just restarted after today's update, still need to restart panel and runner ofr their shortcuts to take effects.
 maybe globalkeys need to start running before panel and runner?
 because, if I restartart globalkeys, it stop working again (until I restart panel and runner)
 wxl: I'm responding here
 I can't test on a new iso here
 I know that if it works ok with new iso is ood, but still we would need to find a fix if it happens for people who will update from 19.04
 wxl: I will keep responding here ;)
[17:14] <wxl> sorry
 yes, the ones that have special places for shortcuts
[17:14] <wxl> no caffeine yet
 I mean, you can configure directly in panel and in runner
[17:15] <wxl> hm
[17:15]  * lynorian does not partake in caffiene
[17:15] <wxl> can we unconfigure them? :/
 pcmanfm-qt works ok
[17:16] <wxl> and you really mean the keyboard shortcut for the menu in panel
[17:17] <wxl> HAH
[17:17] <wxl> i was going to upgrade yesterdays iso
[17:17] <wxl> nope
[17:17] <wxl> HUGE upgrade
[17:19] <wxl> oh wait wrong iso
[17:20] <wxl> that's much better
[17:20] <wxl> btw did you notice the change to sddm?
[17:21] <wxl> hm so i took yesterday's iso, upgraded to today's packages and did nothing else........ and alt-f2 and super_l do what they're supposed to
[17:29] <kc2bez> The OP in support was using disco not eoan.
[17:30] <wxl> well now that's super bizarre because none of those changes we made were released to disco
[17:30] <wxl> maybe they should be though
[17:30] <kc2bez> they had the ci enabled though
[17:30] <kc2bez> ci ppa
[17:30] <wxl> yeah and i'm not sure what to make of that exactly
[17:31] <kc2bez> yeah, it isn't really a supported thing right?
[17:31] <wxl> btw suspend button in sddm thanks to @Guephren https://share.riseup.net/#KbJtY5BjoDcVwuy4jMOl1A
[17:31] <wxl> i mean i'm not sure
[17:31] <wxl> that doesn't seem like it's exactly consistent with an upgrade to eoan
[17:32] <kc2bez> Well if you were on disco you wouldn't get the default-settings changes
[17:32] <wxl> or the lxqt-globalkeys ones to go with it
[17:32] <wxl> man, i hate drivebys
[17:33] <kc2bez> I know, hang out for a bit and we can work something out.
[17:33] <kc2bez> At least get more info
 wxl: Is there a way to know whic loads first? and change it?
[17:37] <teward> we need a lugito test
[17:37]  * teward nominates wxl to test things
[17:37] <wxl> well lynorian can push something as he always does
[17:37] <wxl> s/he/she/
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T98
[17:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Resolved] Cleanup for lubuntu-update-notifier prior to uploading: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T98
[17:37] <wxl> or that
[17:37] <lynorian> good job fixing that
[17:37] <wxl> sorry :(
 wxl: what about update-notifier? What's left so it enter in eoan?
[17:39] <wxl> oh
[17:39] <wxl> so a new package
 it's a new package so it doesn't get affected by FF I think
 but anyway
[17:40] <wxl> i've never been through the process of sponsoring one, but i've made one before.. which doesn't help
[17:40] <wxl> teward: do you know?
[17:41] <teward> never sponsored NEW during FF, i think best is to ask #ubuntu-release that one
[17:42] <teward> wxl: see -release
 AIUI it'd be considered 'lower priority' but not 'blocked' during FF
[17:45] <kc2bez> Has anyone tested efi installation on the new iso? I haven't personally had a chance yet is why I am asking.
[17:46] <teward> wxl: is there a specific package that needs uploading?
[17:46] <teward> just curious :P
[17:47] <wxl> kc2bez: if anyone has, i bet it's guiverc. you should track him down when he pops up again.
[17:47] <wxl> teward: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-update-notifier/
[17:47] <wxl> teward: also i had hoped :/ to get sddm-config-editor in
[17:47] <wxl> that may be too ambitious, however
[17:48] <kc2bez> Sounds good. It should run through the guiverc paces.
[17:48] <wxl> (the packaging isn't even started)
[17:48] <kc2bez> In the meantime I will try to get to some tests.
[17:48] <wxl> i really want to put https://i.imgflip.com/38l7v6.jpg in the topic
[17:49] <teward> wxl: running through the standard things for lubuntu-update-notifier - lintian cleanliness, builds, etc.
[17:49] <teward> because i'm a picky SOB :P
[17:49] <wxl> it's ok, it should already be done
[17:50] <wxl> and besides, it should be a standard part of the process!
 I sbuild with evil pedantic and run flake8.
[17:50] <teward> run pylint while you're at it lol
[17:51] <teward> pedantic whining: insecure URL for the copyright format stuff
[17:52] <teward> P: lubuntu-update-notifier source: insecure-copyright-format-uri http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/
[17:52] <wxl> that's legic
[17:52] <teward> also W: lubuntu-update-notifier source: timewarp-standards-version (2019-05-28 < 2019-07-07)
[17:52] <wxl> legit i mean
[17:52] <teward> but i don't think either is going to block things
[17:52] <wxl> wooooooooooooot
[17:52] <teward> those're the two remaining warning items
[17:52] <teward> but i'm picky ;P
[17:53] <teward> *spits lubuntu-update-notifier up into Main*
[17:53] <wxl> um
[17:53] <teward> into NEW *
[17:53] <wxl> i don't understand that standards version concern
[17:53] <teward> wxl: err: mistype, tired, needCoffee
[17:53] <wxl> OH
[17:53] <wxl> the issue is the changelog timestamp is old
[17:53] <teward> wxl: wxl, you derp!  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zgW5ZH2grk/
[17:53] <wxl> 4.4.0 is relatively ne
[17:53] <teward> yep
[17:53] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- New source: lubuntu-update-notifier (eoan-proposed/primary) [0.1]
[17:54] <teward> but it's already there ^
[17:54] <teward> needs a NEW review
[17:55] <wxl> oh heh
[17:56] <teward> wxl: so in this case I'm not concerned
[17:56] <teward> i dont' think the timestamp being 'older' is a blocker
 first one is only the https instead of http?
 hep, but it's pedantic
 second one is the timestamps, but also really not much of a concern
 I could solve those issues tonight.
 Lintian passes though 😔
 i mean
 you could
 except
 i already put the package in NEW
 :P
 ok, thanks!
 wxl: I take it that sddm-config-editor is just not ready for inclusion then
 :P
[18:02] <wxl> probably not :/
[18:03] <wxl> the thing builds and functions nice
 mmkay
[18:03] <wxl> there's some initial packaging in Debian but it hasn't been updated and it doesn't build, either off of the current release or the current master
 @wxl [<wxl> probably not :/], whic wash the ppa?
[18:04] <wxl> and to be far, i'd be doing something a little substandard: building off of master. the last release is just a wee bit old
[18:04] <wxl> @HMollerCl it's not in a ppa.. i included a link to the binary
 @wxl [<wxl> and to be far, i'd be doing something a little substandard: building off o …], yeah, that'd be a little bit nasty to track
 the one in lxqt github?
[18:05] <wxl> yeah
[18:05] <wxl> i mean i've seen stuff like that before
 wxl: nm-tray 0.4.3 is already in sid (the one that we packaged)
 and some guy made a ppa with a merge
 https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+sourcepub/10427332/+listing-archive-extra but now says removal requested 4 hours ago...
[18:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd130cca74d82: Add htop filter screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd130cca74d82
[18:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbde0b07da61a: Add interface tab summary for vlc prefrences] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbde0b07da61a
 @HMollerCl [https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+s …], probably because...
 Superseded on 2019-08-21 by nm-tray - 0.4.3-1ubuntu1ppa1
[18:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL36d49d47c617: Reword show controls in fullscreen mode checkbox] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL36d49d47c617
 wxl: is there a bug somewhere I have to indicate where I did the lubuntu-software-center upload to NEW ?
[18:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4fcedcdcbfc3: Capitlize VLC many places] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4fcedcdcbfc3
[19:21] <wxl> @teward001 not really
[19:22] <wxl> i don't see that gianfranco has nm-tray in his ppa anymore
[19:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL751d8b1a55b1: Capitilize VLC even more places] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL751d8b1a55b1
 @wxl [<wxl> i don't see that gianfranco has nm-tray in his ppa anymore], the url gives 200, but it says that the removal was requested. Anyway, he told me that if we did it that way, we wouldn't need to care for packaging, but I'm not sure since we already make a patch, the one for nm-tui.
 wxl: did we need to do a test of a UEFI install with the daily?
 I can spin a UEFI-powered VM up
 ... after I get this ITS package i'm working on up to mentors.d.n
[19:46] <kc2bez> That would be great @teward001 , I haven't had a chance yet. I have tested a regular BIOS install just not UEFI yet.
 let me pull the daily and prep the VM
 ... once i'm home in a couple hours lol
[19:47] <kc2bez> no worries. more eyes on it would be good.
[21:07] <tsimonq2> !standup
[21:07] <tsimonq2> OH HELLO
[21:07] <wxl> omg simon is here
[21:07] <wxl> what the heck happened
[21:07] <kc2bez> ack
[21:07] <tsimonq2> ack
[21:07] <tsimonq2> I also don't have a paste prepared.
 hi
[21:07] <lynorian> o\
[21:07] <tsimonq2> So everyone else first XD
 hi
[21:08] <wxl> an important thing for us to remember: https://i.imgflip.com/38l7v6.jpg
[21:08] <kc2bez> XD
 xDDDDD
[21:08] <tsimonq2> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[21:08] <tsimonq2> I love it
[21:09] <wxl> so you're running the show
[21:09] <tsimonq2> ok
[21:09] <tsimonq2> so
[21:09] <tsimonq2> wxl go
[21:09] <wxl> aw hell
[21:09] <lynorian> and transverse fault is lower left :D
[21:09] <wxl> well i don't really have a paste either
[21:09] <wxl> but i have this https://phab.lubuntu.me/feed/query/cgYR.NVcQK7r/?after=6726002865409790427
[21:09] <teward> No paste here either
[21:09] <wxl> sorry this https://phab.lubuntu.me/feed/query/cgYR.NVcQK7r/
[21:10] <teward> But i can give you a summary of stuff I did
 10/10 efficient standup strategy
[21:10] <tsimonq2> XD
 @UniversalSuperBox [10/10 efficient standup strategy], XD
 O/
[21:10] <wxl> two pages of stuff this time so kind of crazy
[21:10] <wxl> working hard to get a lot of stuff in before ff
[21:10] <wxl> big stuff:
[21:11] <wxl>  * shortcuts (finally)
[21:11] <wxl>  * sddm suspend button
[21:11] <wxl>  * remove fcitx-qim-uipanel
[21:11] <wxl> also set out the compton fork and sddm-config-editor for testing
[21:11] <wxl> mostly the results from the latter have been positive, but the former have been mixed, especially, curiously, with radeon devices
[21:12] <wxl> not sure what to think about that
[21:12] <wxl> oh
[21:12] <kc2bez> I can find a radeon box to test on.
[21:12] <wxl> i also did the lxqt-globalkeys patch
[21:12] <wxl> look at guiverc's notes
[21:12] <kc2bez> will do
[21:13] <wxl> also sponsored removal of lximage-qt screenshot
[21:13] <wxl> cala settings (good job dan)
[21:13] <kc2bez> Thanks for that ^
[21:13] <wxl> screengrab
[21:14] <lynorian> yay screengrab work now although
[21:14] <wxl> oh and dnd/mtp patch
[21:14] <wxl> so big kudos to raman who powered through some tough stuff
[21:15] <wxl> and that's it for me
[21:15] <tsimonq2> Thanks wxl!
[21:15] <lynorian> also old raedon or newer amdgpu module grpahics ? kc2bez or wxl?
[21:15] <wxl> np
[21:15] <lynorian> thanks
[21:15] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: You're up!
[21:15] <wxl> mmm have to look it up
[21:15] <kc2bez> I have a short paste.
[21:15] <teward> When do i drop my little blurbs lol.
[21:16] <kc2bez> * Tasks
[21:16] <kc2bez> - Most of my time was spent working on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T107
[21:16] <kc2bez> * Testing
[21:16] <kc2bez> - I was able to test https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96
[21:16] <kc2bez> - It seemed to work well for me. I think if there is more development in that fork it is probably the best approach.
[21:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Resolved] Clean up calamares settings: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T107
[21:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] investigate yshui's compton fork: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96
[21:16] <kc2bez> * TODO
[21:16] <kc2bez> - Send out a notification re: Wallpaper contest to get your submissions in.
[21:16] <kc2bez> * OF NOTE
[21:16] <kc2bez> Work has been busy, next week our semester starts. Usually things cut back a bit after the first week or so. I'll be here as much as I can.
[21:16] <wxl> lynorian: mainly dell optiplex so amd/ati (cedar) radeon
[21:17] <kc2bez> I have a couple of older ati cards too so they would be close in comparison.
[21:17] <wxl> did you test on those?
[21:17] <tsimonq2> Thanks kc2bez :)
[21:17] <kc2bez> That is it from me
[21:17] <wxl> cuz i only saw a test on intel
[21:17] <kc2bez> Right I haven't yet but I will
[21:18] <wxl> looks like bjlockie is using nouveau
[21:18] <kc2bez> eww
[21:18] <wxl> their notes are hard to parse
[21:19] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Thanks for your work!
[21:19] <tsimonq2> Since teward is DYING to paste his summary...
[21:19] <tsimonq2> GO
[21:19] <teward> Infrastructure: Made Lugio, CodiMD, and TeleIRC runnable via SystemD units and to autostart.
[21:19] <tsimonq2> :)
[21:19] <teward> Packages: Uploaded lubuntu-update-notifier to NEW.
[21:19] <teward> Todo: UEFI installer tests for daily ISOs
[21:19] <tsimonq2> teward: We'll have to have a talk about that. :P
[21:19] <teward> Also, it is ALWAYS Simon’s fault
[21:20] <teward> @tsimomq2 wxl asked :P
[21:20] <wxl> thx teward
[21:20] <tsimonq2> teward: Yo dawg, can ya not step on toes and at least let me review one more time when I had outstanding issues before you upload. :P
[21:20] <wxl> well to be fair, @HMollerCl asked
[21:20] <tsimonq2> It's whatever. :)
[21:20] <teward> wxl’s fault tho he said it was ready and asked it to be uploaded proxying the req from HMollerCl
[21:20] <wxl> i was merely inquiring about what is involved with sponsoring new packages as i had never done
[21:20] <wxl> pffhhht
[21:20] <wxl> dude you're all wrong
[21:20] <teward> In any case, its still NEW it can be NACKed and rejected easily
[21:21] <wxl> https://i.imgflip.com/38l7v6.jpg
[21:21] <tsimonq2> mmmkay
[21:21] <teward> Oh SMTP tests fir Phab tomorrow w.
[21:21] <teward> Bleh darn phone.  So phab mail is being worked on
[21:21] <tsimonq2> I'll go, then it'll be Hans, Lyn, @N0um3n0, and Raman
[21:21] <wxl> oh i added teward to the lubuntu-team on github
[21:21] <tsimonq2> Then anyone else
[21:21] <wxl> he's fixing some security issues there
[21:21] <tsimonq2> nice nice
[21:22] <teward> wxl: for lugito, yes.  (Fixed it already)
 what? XD
[21:23] <wxl> OH
[21:24] <wxl> did i mention? @Guephren had his first contribution
 Congo!
[21:25] <tsimonq2> Nice work teward
[21:25] <tsimonq2>  - I've been recovering from $illness, so short week.
[21:25] <tsimonq2>  - Feature Freeze is today, get yer stuff in!
[21:25] <tsimonq2>  - Reviewed https://phab.lubuntu.me/D30 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D32 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D33 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D34
[21:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] added screengrab: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D30
[21:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Fix DND MTP Bug: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D32
[21:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Clean up Calamares settings.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D33
[21:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Edited shortcuts: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D34
[21:25] <tsimonq2>  - Authored https://phab.lubuntu.me/D35 which is a start to refactoring the contributions guide.
[21:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] [WIP] Add more content to the Contributing Guide: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D35
[21:25] <tsimonq2>  - Helped with server outage due to internal accounting issue, thanks to teward and wxl for helping out.
[21:25] <tsimonq2>  - Helped Hans decipher Lintian stuff, always fun.
[21:25] <tsimonq2>  - Asked LocutusOfBorg to come here to discuss his nm-tray merge, he has a PPA that needs testing.
[21:25] <tsimonq2>  - Authored a tweet saying how proud I am of y'all: https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1163964391764713477 https://twitter.com/tsimonquigley2/status/1163965180771995648 <3
[21:26] <tsimonq2>  - Gave @Schyken access to author tweets, and he's been doing a good job at that. Let me know if you want in.
[21:26] <tsimonq2> Questions?
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> - Asked LocutusOfBorg to come here to discuss his nm-tray merge, he h …], his ppa has a removal request 5 hours ago
 https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+sourcepub/10427332/+listing-archive-extra
[21:28] <tsimonq2> Got it
[21:29] <wxl> could you follow up with him on that?
[21:29] <wxl> @tsimonq2: ^
[21:30] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- New: rejected lubuntu-update-notifier [source] (eoan-proposed) [0.1]
[21:30] <wxl> ^ what else does that need?
[21:31] <tsimonq2> I'll take a look.
[21:31] <tsimonq2> Next is @HMollerCl
 ok
[21:31] <wxl> thanks
 Tomorrow is my presentatio in ubuconla, so making odp.
 ATB
 I want to upload to hear some comments, where can I?
 I understand that takes a while
 besides that:
 added sreengrab T84
 hide lximage-qt -s .desktop T84 D36
[21:33] <wxl> notes.lubuntu.me
[21:33] <wxl> err
[21:33] <wxl> maybe not
[21:33] <wxl> uhhh
 update-notifier thanks to @teward T97, T98 (recently rejected)
 Talk with lxqt because of his icon selection.
[21:33] <wxl> can you export to some web friendly format?
 pdf works?
 it's small.
[21:34] <wxl> yeah sure
 for the ones in telegram thjere it is
 I will also bring an atom 64bit 2Gb RAM netbook and a celeron T5600 4Gb Ram notebook so they can see how LXQt run
 that would be from my side
 Can I go now? It's 3am. Sorry to interrupt.
[21:37] <lynorian> sure
 go
 Thanks.
 One sec
[21:37] <wxl> did you want to go raman?
 Nothing much except this: … Tasks: … FIX DND MTP: had to hand edit the patch … phab.lubuntu.me/T99
 Shortcuts: put both lxqt-globalkeys and openbox conf together in D34 … phab.lubuntu.me/T59
 Screengrab: replaced older screenshot utility with screengrab. Included in D34. … phab.lubuntu.me/T84
 Grub theme: asked mate forum how they did it. Got the idea. But also got sick. So maybe wait a couple of days for thems to get in. … phab.lubuntu.me/T30
 Xscreensaver: listed which are good from the ones currently shipped. Have to dig in more. Will do.  … phab.lubuntu.me/T21
 To-do: … Think a way to get shortcuts into disco. T59 had dealt with eoan. Will create a new task.
 Get theme in. Release manager (@tsimonq2) do you mind if it's a couple of days after FF?
 Xscreensaver
 Misc: … Discarded 2 mails to users list.
 When is the wallpaper contest ending? @tsimonq2 get the Instagram credentials. We can run it on Instagram.
 That's it.
 Any questions?
[21:39] <tsimonq2> I'm going to assume it's a "Lubuntu package, Lubuntu rules" type thing, and since FF is a soft freeze, I'm personally fine with breaking it.
[21:40] <wxl> theme/xscreensaver should be ui anyways
[21:40] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> I'm going to assume it's a "Lubuntu package, Lubuntu rules" type thin …], Thanks!
 Anything else?
[21:41] <tsimonq2> Nothing from me.
[21:41] <tsimonq2> @N0um3n0?
[21:41] <tsimonq2> You go now :)
[21:41] <wxl> thanks raman
[21:41] <wxl> and really really good job
 not much this week
 Thanks bye!
 answered https://phab.lubuntu.me/T103 … answered https://phab.lubuntu.me/T104 … answered https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/csge7z/ibus_doenst_work/ … created italian, chinese, german, japanese groups … why isn't hans here?  https://phab.lubuntu.me/project/members/9/ … Can you create in discourse, support for Spanish and Portug
[21:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Properly deal with translations on the blog: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T103
[21:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Get translations going again: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T104
 and starting to translate the blog
[21:43] <wxl> hans added
[21:43] <wxl> +1 on doc
[21:43] <tsimonq2> ^
[21:43] <tsimonq2> Send it to the LC and we'll give you the official go-ahead.
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> Send it to the LC and we'll give you the official go-ahead.], perfect ;)
 I'll do that
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Sweet!
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Anything else?
[21:45] <lynorian> Yay translation finally baout to go
[21:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: investigate yshui's compton fork] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2192
[21:45] <wxl> is it, though?
[21:46] <lynorian> search through tabs with & in firefox and downaward arrow
[21:46] <lynorian> firefox launching through quick launch
[21:46] <lynorian> vlc tray icon missing options finished
[21:46] <lynorian> quit trojia from system tray
[21:46] <lynorian> server options on right click on quassel
[21:46] <lynorian> show hide chats on right click
[21:46] <lynorian> obconf-margins screenshot
[21:46] <lynorian> fix previous back buttons
[21:46] <lynorian> remove innacurate stuff from appendix D upgrading
[21:46] <lynorian> explain crit temperture on sensors
[21:46] <lynorian> added lockscreen
[21:46] <lynorian> Rewrite launching software sources
[21:46] <lynorian> remove :
[21:46] <lynorian> fix capitilzation
[21:46] <lynorian> merged simon adding stuff to contributing guide thanks
[21:46] <lynorian> move stuff to flow like version below usage and
[21:46] <lynorian> htop filter screenshot
[21:46] <lynorian> capitlize VLC
[21:47] <wxl> great work!
[21:48] <teward> tsimonq2 spammer confirmed
[21:48] <teward> Kban from IRC.
 Question
[21:48] <lynorian> and upgrading stuff I need done for 19.10 after feature freeze so won't get changed twice
[21:48] <tsimonq2> ^^^^^
 in the manual appear this: Translators:  Marcin Mikołajczak
[21:48] <tsimonq2> Anyone else around?
 who is this guy?
[21:49] <lynorian> That was way back from like 18.04 days stuff and I haven't seen him around in a while
[21:49] <guiverc2> I've done minimal sorry, I've not been on top of health/pain problems so everything I've done has been very short & things needing minimal-no concentration (askubu,ubuforum), testcases haven't advanced from my local system
[21:49] <wxl> he was one of the google code-in kids
[21:49] <tsimonq2> ^^^
[21:49] <wxl> he was actually really cool
[21:49] <tsimonq2> SPEAKING OF WHICH
[21:49] <tsimonq2> When's that again?
[21:49] <tsimonq2> We gotta hop on that train
[21:49] <tsimonq2> idc if we do it as Lubuntu :)
[21:49] <teward> Never again.  *shot* (loljk)
[21:49] <tsimonq2> (I mean we totally could)
[21:57] <wxl> GCI is usually 7-8 weeks during Northern Hemisphere winters
[21:58] <tsimonq2> ok
[21:58] <tsimonq2> Now
[21:58] <tsimonq2> I understand we have an AOB point
[21:58] <wxl> not everyone groks your acronyms
[21:59] <tsimonq2> Any Other Business
[21:59] <tsimonq2> teward: ^^^^^^^^
[21:59] <teward> Yeah we need to better document what needs review for NEW uploads
[21:59] <teward> And restrict access to closing those tasks to relevant uploaders
[22:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8a321e326743: Update screenshot for pavucontrol-playback with more complicated setup] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8a321e326743
[22:00] <teward> I sent Simon a summary of my thoughts in PM for how to go forward, but its necessary to avoid toe stepping like earlier.
[22:00] <teward> As a team we should come up with a good documenting and workflow approach for this
[22:01] <tsimonq2> He suggested using Phab's Kanban more, I think that's a good idea.
[22:02] <wxl> well it would also help if simon would ever reply to his review requests............................................................................................
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[22:02] <tsimonq2> That's part of the problem, I don't know that I have them
[22:02] <tsimonq2> I want to be able to look at one big "needs review" thing
[22:02] <wxl> where's the documentation?
[22:03] <tsimonq2> I'll take this on and reorganize Kanban.
[22:03] <wxl> everytime i look on phab, i see the reviews i'm waiting on
[22:05] <wxl> https://share.riseup.net/#wigRUyLWi1A-Znlb5AFaKw
[22:07] <wxl> complaints about phabricator #23761378618726123786: the best documentation for it is on mediawiki, not phabricator's actual documentation
[22:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL14fe0208a11e: Move version below usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL14fe0208a11e
[22:08] <wxl> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management#Kanban_in_Phabricator
[22:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8c1a5e868297: Reword scoring sentence] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8c1a5e868297
[22:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1049536f3f2b: Add sentnce on how rest of blocks move] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1049536f3f2b
[22:51] <tsimonq2> New rule: all new tasks get a project.
[22:51] <tsimonq2> The goal from here is going to be to use Kanban to sort the darn things out.
[22:51] <tsimonq2> I wonder if I can even do diffs with Kanban, hm.
[22:52] <wxl> phab doesn't really have kanban
[22:52] <wxl> they just have workboards
[22:52] <tsimonq2> Okay, workboards.
[22:54] <wxl> workboards can only contain tasks afaik
[22:55] <wxl> each project can have many workboards, which can be thought of like states
[22:56] <wxl> for example, the phabricator workboard workboards https://secure.phabricator.com/project/view/773/
[22:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T114: Make packaging docs clearer] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T114
[22:57] <tsimonq2> okay
[22:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc020dea0d3dd: Remove duplicate note editor font] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc020dea0d3dd
[22:58] <wxl> here's a kanban from wikimedia's analytics team https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/analytics-kanban/
[22:59] <wxl> somehow this feeds into it https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/11/
[23:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7a3d00fad71f: Move version below usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7a3d00fad71f
[23:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL78bcb8ac5a19: Remove How to open prefrences from paragrph about qlipper] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL78bcb8ac5a19
[23:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5ab3895bfa5c: Capitlize start of pcmanfm-qt] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5ab3895bfa5c
 https://twitter.com/tsimonquigley2/status/1164682464700305408?s=09
 @tsimonq2 are tasks for lubuntu here?
[23:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T115: Qt 4 Removal] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T115
[23:39] <tsimonq2> ^ :)
[23:54] <tsimonq2> Oh, yes, so that does apply to us.
[23:57] <tsimonq2> Grabbing an ISO to see what gets removed if I remove Qt 4 from the system.


[05:39] <Kilos> morning everybody
[05:49] <mazal> More oom Kilos
[05:49] <Kilos> ai! net-splits again
[05:49] <mazal> Oh koos
[05:49] <Kilos> hi mazal
[05:50] <mazal> Gaanit daar oom ?
[05:57] <Kilos> goed dankie en daar mazal
[05:58] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[05:59] <mazal> Raasie baie nie
[06:10] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:10] <Kilos> hi pieter2627 what happened to chesedo
[06:11] <pieter2627> Kilos: have no idea...
[06:11]  * pieter2627 checking
[06:11] <Kilos> lol
[06:13]  * chesedo seems to have had network issues at around 5am and got switched to pieter2627
[06:14] <Kilos> many net-splits the weekend
[06:14] <Kilos> and this morning as well
[06:14] <Kilos> freenode under attack by brats again
[06:16] <mazal> Morning chesedo
[06:17] <superfly> Hi Kilos
[06:17] <mazal> Morning superfly
[06:18]  * Padroni waves hello
[06:18] <Kilos> hi Padroni
[06:18] <mazal> Hi Padroni
[06:19] <Padroni> how are you guys?
[06:19] <mazal> Ok and you ?
[06:19] <Kilos> ok here ty
[06:19] <Kilos> hows you?
[06:19] <superfly> Hi mazal, Padroni
[06:20] <Padroni> I"m good
[06:20] <Padroni> Hi superfly
[06:23] <Padroni> so what is news?
[06:24] <Kilos> another day in paradise
[06:28] <Padroni> lol
[06:28] <Padroni> I am afk-chatting
[06:28] <Padroni> so if anything said is directed to me, please tag me so I can see the notification
[06:29] <Kilos> ok
[06:29] <Padroni> got served with another subpoena on friday afternoon
[06:29] <Padroni> 30min before my day ended
[06:29] <Padroni> decided to leave it for today
[06:29] <Padroni> so gotta resolve that quickly
[06:29] <Kilos> ai!
[06:36] <Squirm> Morning
[06:38] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:53] <superfly> Padroni: Subpoena? Eish that's not nice.
[07:28] <Padroni> superfly, it's part of the job if you're in infosec
[07:28] <Padroni> if there's a fraud case, the SAPS will subpoena you for evidence
[07:28] <Padroni> the first one I got almost gave me a heart attack
[07:29] <Kilos> lol
[07:29] <Padroni> now - if they don't follow protocol, they get sent back until they get it right.
[07:29] <Padroni> one of these took over 2 years to get served according to procedure
[07:29] <Padroni> so it can be a lengthy process.
[07:48] <superfly> Padroni: right
[07:54] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:55] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[08:02] <Padroni> morning inetpro
[08:17] <anton_may> Good morning, goeie môre, dumelang
[08:18] <superfly> hi
[08:19] <Kilos> hi anton_may
[08:19] <Kilos> sawubona
[08:27] <Padroni> so tell me
[08:27] <Padroni> what is happening with the blog now?
[08:27] <Padroni> and what will be put on there?
[08:27] <Padroni> tutorials?
[08:31] <dlPhreak> http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/
[08:36] <Kilos> Padroni what blog?
[08:36] <Kilos> im battling to keep up here
[08:44] <cal_py> morning Everyone
[08:44] <Padroni> meeting from the other night
[08:45] <Padroni> adding a blog to the site was disussed
[08:45] <Padroni> I am asking what content will be on the blog
[08:45] <Kilos> hi cal_py
[08:45] <Kilos> oh fly was gonna sort that
[08:46] <Padroni> superfly, a word when you got time?
[08:51] <chesedo> wasn't that for africa's
[09:05] <Padroni> yeah, it was
[10:37] <klaasvakie> Hi guys. I'm looking to send one of my guys to gain some networking skills, and I was wondering if there are any courses you would recommend? Basically I need to be able to put this guy down on site at a company and he has to work with their IT to get our equipment set up and integrated.
[10:37] <Kilos> hi klaasvakie
[10:38] <klaasvakie> Hi Kilos
[10:38] <Sxuza> Best and easiest free FTP client out there
[10:39] <klaasvakie> I've looked at the Network+ stuff, and the CCENT stuff, but I am not sure how good they actually are.
[10:42] <Sxuza> its kewl  , i got Cyberduck
[10:42] <Sxuza> thanks
[11:02] <chesedo> Network+ is the most popular that i'm aware of, but the smart ones here will add their voices soon
[11:05] <chesedo> klaasvakie: you might have to be ready to define what integration means to you (hardware and possible software wise) to avoid possible confusion
[11:07] <chesedo> Kilos: who here runs the mirror again cause he might know
[11:09] <inetpro> chesedo: depends what mirror you're talking about
[11:10] <chesedo> inetpro: the repo one...
[11:10] <chesedo> ubuntu mirror
[11:12] <inetpro> Maaz: mirrors
[11:12] <Maaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[11:13] <chesedo> inetpro: yes those. someone those the neotel one (i think) for za
[11:14] <chesedo> neology
[11:14] <inetpro> Maaz: neology
[11:14] <Maaz> Ubuntu mirror "Neology" https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za-archive Official Archive Mirrors for Ubuntu https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[11:15] <inetpro> don't think it's the official mirror for the country
[11:17] <Kilos> wow i forgot his nick again
[11:17] <inetpro> I see za.archive.ubuntu.com now points to ubuntu-archive.mirror.liquidtelecom.com
[11:17] <chesedo> from the list in the last link it is the most up-to-date
[11:17] <Kilos> they are actually quite good
[11:18] <chesedo> hmm... kenya has the official for za??
[11:20] <inetpro> ja, must be Symmetria's efforts that
[11:26] <Kilos> cuttingedge is his nick
[11:26] <Kilos> i dont know if he is still with neology even
[11:27] <Kilos> chesedo why arent you in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[11:28] <Kilos> oops sorry
[11:28] <Kilos> blame old eyes
[11:28] <Kilos> or dirty glasses hehe
[11:43] <Symmetria> heh
[11:43] <Symmetria> yes there is a reason for it
[11:43] <Symmetria> the bandwidth on the KE mirror is *FAR* greater than out of any of the ZA mirrors
[11:43] <Symmetria> and the latency is low
[11:43] <Symmetria> and the hardware is far far superior to handle the load
[11:44] <Symmetria> and its properly v6 connected and has proper peering
[11:44] <chesedo> Symmetria: stop please... proud za peeps here
[11:44] <Symmetria> chesedo lol, facts are facts
[11:44] <Kilos> haha
[11:44] <Kilos> Symmetria <Sxuza> Best and easiest free FTP client out there
[11:45] <Kilos> can you advise?
[11:45] <Symmetria> I have like, 20 times more bandwidth into my house in KE than the ZA mirrors have available total :p lol
[11:45] <Symmetria> lftp
[11:45] <Symmetria> for linux
[11:45] <Symmetria> (chesedo lol, scary thing is, that 20 times figure isn't an exaggeration)
[11:46] <chesedo> FileZilla or nautilus has ftp built in
[11:46] <Kilos> klaasvakie ^^
[11:46] <Symmetria> filezilla works well as well for a GUI client
[11:46] <chesedo> Symmetria: that's very sad X|
[11:46] <Symmetria> on GUI filezilla is what I use everywhere
[11:46] <klaasvakie> Kilos, thx reading now - just got back to my keyboard
[11:47] <Kilos> np
[11:47] <Symmetria> chesedo lol, I have 2 x 10gigabit fibers into my house ;p
[11:47] <inetpro> Maaz: ftp
[11:47] <Maaz> Dump FTP! http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp see also: FTP must Die!! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[11:49] <Kilos> Symmetria advise here too please
[11:49] <klaasvakie> chesedo, it's usually our hardware at the endpoints, but using the customer infrastructure so he won't have to reconfigure switches and setup trunks etc, but het has to be able to figure out if the switch/vlan etc. configuration is the problem and then get the customer to fix it.
[11:49] <Kilos>  Hi guys. I'm looking to send one of my guys to gain some networking skills, and I was wondering if there are any courses you would recommend? Basically I need to be able to put this guy down on site at a company and he has to work with their IT to get our equipment set up and integrated.
[11:49] <Symmetria> kilos what sorta equipment
[11:50] <Symmetria> I'd recommend a CCNA as a base network course, or a JNCIA
[11:50] <Kilos> klaasvakie chat to Symmetria networking is his game
[11:50] <Symmetria> they are a little vendor specific, but they will give good grounding
[11:50] <klaasvakie> Symmetria, Kilos was reposting my question from earlier
[11:51] <Kilos> now i can have a ballie nap
[11:51] <Symmetria> the CCNA is probably the most common
[11:51] <klaasvakie> I looked at Network+ and CCNA, but not sure how good they are
[11:51] <Symmetria> and can be followed by a CCNP
[11:52] <Symmetria> network+ is a waste of time
[11:52] <klaasvakie> do you have a training provider you can recommend? Good to know about the network+
[11:52] <Symmetria> nope, aint worked with any of the training providers in ZA
[11:52] <klaasvakie> I'd like something vendor neutral since different customers have different setups, but as long as the basics are good I don't really care if there are some vendor specific parts
[11:53] <Symmetria> heh, the CCNA will teach the theory as well as teh cisco parts
[11:54] <klaasvakie> how good is someone with just a CCENT?
[12:03] <Padroni> Symmetria, why do you say N+ is a waste of time?
[13:26] <Squirm> How is everyone?
[13:26] <Kilos> ok ty Squirm and you?
[13:26] <Squirm> Yeah - Going well
[13:51] <Padroni> I"m off
[13:51] <Padroni> see in the morning, peeps
[14:57] <klaasvakie> cheers all, thanks for the help
[18:24] <inetpro> good evenin
[18:31] <Kilos> ohi inetpro
[18:31] <Kilos> haha @ julle tweetjies
[18:31] <Kilos> ons maak ons vlieg moeg
[18:32] <inetpro> duidelik
[18:32] <Kilos> ons kan even speel
[19:27] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


 how do I turn on the computer
[04:21] <Corey> bazhang: With a hammer.
[04:21] <bazhang> Corey, hehe nice
[09:08] <DJones> Chadman> root@bt <--- Wonder if they're actually using Ubuntu or or maybe Backtrack (I know the @bt could be a coincidence)
[09:10] <bazhang> seems like bt
[09:11] <bazhang> a certain user profile is a natural for bt
[09:12] <bazhang> nice call DJones
[09:13] <bazhang> he is indeed using backtrack
[09:13] <DJones> heh
[09:14] <DJones> Ah well, 2 hours less sleep than normal and still awake enough to read & comprehend IRC
[09:15] <bazhang> haha
[12:24] <Tm_T> !no testers-#kubuntu-devel is <reply> Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56 for information.
[16:40] <bazhang> he openly admitted he was trolling. not a good idea
[16:41] <DJones> Nope, I was giving him a last chance after a warning, but getting rid of them works for me
[16:41] <bazhang> he was a problem long before that
[16:43] <DJones> Certainly wasn't good for the channel
[16:45] <DJones> Now to wait for phone calls from the hospital after mother-in-law gets blue lighted there
[16:46] <Pici> backtrack?
[16:46] <DJones> Troll from earlier today
[16:46] <Pici> o
[16:47] <DJones> And then offtopic now
[16:47] <bazhang> abusive too
[16:47] <DJones> Yep, noted in @comment
 I found a typo in my code
[17:06] <bazhang> lordie
 epecially, if you don't think the version of ubuntu is relevant to answering the question, you shouldn't even comment on it.
[17:11] <bazhang> bwhaha
[17:12] <bazhang> my Warty bork nd hlp plz
[17:17] <awktion> what is wrong with you guys
[17:17] <awktion> are you trying to be microsoft or something?
[17:17] <awktion> first you guys consistently disseminate bad information
[17:18] <bazhang> nope
[17:18] <awktion> and now you won't help someone that has a install that's still got supported repos?
[17:18] <bazhang> not all versions are supported in #ubuntu
[17:18] <awktion> offtopic is not an appropriate place to discuss an older version
[17:18] <awktion> the facts are that its a crowdsourced support infrastructure
[17:18] <awktion> so without a swarm you have no support
[17:19] <awktion> all versions THAT HAVE ACTIVE REPOS should be supported
[17:19] <awktion> and
[17:19] <awktion> on top of that
[17:19] <bazhang> awktion, thats not how the channel is run
[17:19] <DJones> awktion: The policy in #ubuntu is that only supported versions are supported
[17:19] <awktion> any questions about upgrading from one that's repos are dead should be supported
[17:19] <awktion> DJones:
[17:19] <awktion> by definition if the repo is alive its supported
[17:19] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | awktion
[17:19] <awktion> irc support is not payed ubuntu support
[17:19] <bazhang> support for those is limited to eolupgrades
[17:19] <awktion> if it were then you guys would have bene shut down for all the bad answers
[17:20] <awktion> sure
[17:20] <DJones> awktion: No its not, please see the info from Ubottu which says when versions are no longer supported
[17:20] <bazhang> awktion, there's nothing to discuss. you dont like the channels policies. that will not change them
[17:20] <awktion> just because you have a topic or a bot that says something does not make it true
[17:20] <awktion> dpkg has a few bad factoids, as does ubottu
[17:21] <awktion> does that mean the factoids should be acted on as the truth?
[17:21] <DJones> awktion: Using your argument, Warty would still be supported because you can still get repo's from old-releases.ubuntu
[17:21] <awktion> or perhaps should they be examined to see if they fit what they address?
[17:21] <bazhang> !warty
[17:21] <awktion> yes
[17:21] <awktion> if someone walked in the chan and said, hey
[17:21] <awktion> i've got warty but i cant update my irssi
[17:21] <awktion> that's legit
[17:21] <bazhang> no its not
[17:21] <LjL> awktion: what makes it "true" then? wait i'll tell you, the IRC Team's consensus on it makes it true if it's something that concerns the Ubuntu channels. so yes, the ops here decide things, among which, that unsupported releases are not suitable topics for #ubuntu (which has been the case for years). if you wish that to change, email the IRC Council.
[17:22] <awktion> if someone said hey - i've a system i dont control, and its got warty - i need to make xyz change, yes
[17:22] <awktion> the irc team is hilarious
[17:22] <bazhang> please exit the channel awktion
[17:22] <awktion> 17:21 <+LjL> awktion: what makes it "true" then? wait i'll tell you, the IRC Team's consensus on it makes it true if it's something that concerns the Ubuntu channels. so yes, the ops here decide
[17:22] <awktion>              things, among which, that unsupported releases are not suitable topics for #ubuntu (which has been the case for years). if you wish that to change, email the IRC Council.
[17:22] <awktion> 17:22 < awktion> if someone said hey - i've a system i dont control, and its got warty - i need to make xyz change, yes
[17:22] <awktion> i'm gonna have to document that - its a huge joke..
[17:22] <awktion> srry bout the paste
[17:23] <Tm_T> awktion: actually that's pretty much how ubuntu support works: releases are supported to a certain point
[17:23] <awktion> no
[17:23] <awktion> you got something really messed up in your mind
[17:23] <awktion> 'ubuntu supported' != channel supported; nor should it.
[17:23] <Tm_T> awktion: it's official Ubuntu support channel
[17:23] <awktion> there are many topics your ops know little about
[17:24] <Tm_T> so it follows what's officially supported
[17:24] <awktion> for instance, what's the smallest install version you can get.
[17:24] <awktion> Tm_T: #ubuntu in no way reflects the ubuntu community's wishes or will
[17:24] <Tm_T> awktion: by community you mean what exactly here?
[17:24] <awktion> it reflects the irc team's consensus of what it should be.
[17:25] <awktion> Do you have a voting process open to the public?
[17:25] <cortexman1> Hi, I have just read the IRC guidelines. They do not mention whether or not the IRC Council has discussed whether it is appropriate for people to discuss active Ubuntu repositories.
[17:25] <LjL> awktion, i REALLY don't see how you can claim something like 'ubuntu supported != channel supported', when by definition, what IS supported in the channel is defined by the OPS (IRC Team / IRC Council). so unless you're ready to stop arguing against obvious definitions, please leave this channel.
[17:25] <awktion> no
[17:25] <awktion> ubuntu is open source
[17:25] <awktion> the channel is volenteers
[17:25] <Tm_T> awktion: being open source is irrelevant to how Ubuntu community is governed
[17:25] <awktion> this is NOT a payed support chan from say canonical
[17:25] <cortexman1> If the IRC Council has not discussed this issue, then it seems that it is an open topic.
[17:26] <awktion> That would be an absolute rule.
[17:26] <cortexman1> If they have discussed the issue, it should be documented.
[17:26] <awktion> but guess what
[17:26] <LjL> cortexman1: we are not willing  to entertain a mob being called into the channel to discuss this.
[17:26] <awktion> even tho the kernel is underused, linux 2.2 is still _supported_ overall
[17:26] <awktion> so if #ubuntu does not represent _everything_ that can be done with ubuntu
[17:26] <Tm_T> awktion: not in Ubuntu channels it is not
[17:26] <awktion> wtf
[17:26] <cortexman1> In general, Canonical keeps repositories active because they know people are still using them.
[17:26] <awktion> i was typing sir
[17:27] <cortexman1> (and, in a way, they support that use)
[17:27] <awktion> yes
[17:27] <awktion> very much in a way
[17:27] <Tm_T> cortexman1: those are for upgrade purposes, it's not supported to use EOL releases
[17:27] <awktion> Tm_T: and yet
[17:27] <LjL> awktion: i don't care, if you're going to call in people to make a mess here, i'm not going to allow that. so both you and cortexman1 are kindly requested to leave now.
[17:27] <Tm_T> what canonical supports is irrelevant to what ubuntu supports
[17:27] <awktion> can you explain how to upgrade from warty to 1304?
[17:27] <awktion> lets try this
[17:27] <cortexman1> anyways
[17:27] <Tm_T> awktion: irrelevant to this discussion
[17:27] <cortexman1> the IRC Council needs to discuss and document this issue.
[17:27] <awktion> very relevant
[17:28] <LjL> cortexman1: then put it in their agenda / email them.
[17:28] <cortexman1> because #ubuntu is harassing people who ask questions
[17:28] <awktion> LjL: how about i just ddos u
[17:28] <awktion> ffs
[17:28] <cortexman1> what's the address / how do I do that.
[17:28] <LjL> !irccouncil
[17:29] <Tm_T> cortexman1: all this arguing of an old community rule is currently holding me from doing Ubuntu development, so please if you have concerns on this, email irc council, but stop arguing it here at it isn't going anywhere
[17:35] <Tm_T> cortexman1: if there's nothing else we can help you with here, please part
[17:54] <cortexman1> who is arguing?
[17:54] <cortexman1> my comments are entirely reasonable
[17:54] <cortexman1> i sent them to the ubuntu-irc-council channel. please update me after you guys have discussed it, and please post the results of your discussion to the website.
[17:54] <cortexman1> please make sure that you discuss the specific points that I raised
[17:55] <cortexman1> my regular nick is cortexman, if this one is not online.
[17:55] <cortexman1> also, your comment asking me to part is not civil.
[17:55] <cortexman1> an acknowledgement would be civil.
[17:55] <bazhang> its a no idle channel cortexman1
[17:55] <bazhang> read the topic
[17:55] <cortexman1> i'm not idling
[17:56] <bazhang> the issue is over
[17:56] <cortexman1> excuse me?
[17:56] <bazhang> so there's nothing left to discuss
[17:56] <cortexman1> are you trying to hush me?
[17:56] <Tm_T> cortexman1: the discussion won't continue here, please continue with irc council
[17:56] <bazhang> please exit the channel cortexman1
[17:57] <cortexman1> let's be clear: I am here complaining about operator abuse.
[17:57] <LjL> cortexman1, see, even if we had been willing to discuss the philosophical issues involved with the things you said, we're unlikely to look favorable at the fact you were obviously incited by awktion to come here and ask about things like the active repositories being supported. we really don't like mobs.
[17:57] <cortexman1> you have told me that you do not respect my complaint, that you won't hear it, and you have asked me to leave.
[17:57] <cortexman1> you have not acknowledged my complaint in its full force.
[17:58] <Tm_T> cortexman1: I'm asking you to continue with irc council
[17:58] <LjL> cortexman1: so at this point, your option if you want to pursue this is to contact the IRC Council. you say you have done so, good, now wait for their answer.
[17:58] <LjL> cortexman1: in the meanwhile, please part this channel.
[17:58] <cortexman1> I have posted this complaint in ubuntu-irc-council, of which ™_T is a member, and he has told me in this channel instead that he does not respect my complaint and told me to leave.
[17:58] <cortexman1> that is unacceptable.
[17:58] <cortexman1> that is not civil.
[17:59] <LjL> cortexman1: that's not what he told you, but feel free to believe what you want. i'm just really tired of seeing this place scroll for no reason
[17:59] <LjL> so part
[17:59] <LjL> seriously
[17:59] <LjL> enougyh
[17:59] <cortexman1> if the irc council replies to my complaint I will be happy to leave.
[17:59] <cortexman1> until then I am comfortable waiting.
[17:59] <cortexman1> I am not idle.
[17:59] <IdleOne> Good morning
[17:59] <LjL> hi
[18:00] <chu> Good time to enter the fray IdleOne
[18:00] <IdleOne> I will do X when and only when you comply to my demands!
[18:00] <IdleOne> POW Punch in the nose
[18:06] <sarnold> shollings in #ubuntu-server is being abuse to users -- I'd appreciate someone else paying attention to what he says and how he says it..
[18:06] <sarnold> s/abuse/abusive/
[18:07] <Tm_T> sarnold: on it
[18:07] <sarnold> Tm_T: <3  :)
[18:19] <Pici> Oh, I step away from my desk for an hour and I have an angry PM from a user I've never met waiting for me when I get back.
[18:47] <IdleOne> The exciting life of an IRCC member
[19:05] <Pici> going afk, someone might want to try to keep luigi and reisio on-topic in #ubuntu.  Also, ntzrmtthihu777's spamming of !offtopic to them is doing little.
[19:10] <bazhang> haha
[19:10] <bazhang> ntz is the very definition of offtopic
[19:10] <IdleOne> But his off topic is relevant.
[19:11] <IdleOne> :p
[19:11] <bazhang> she , but occassionally yeah
[19:12] <bazhang> why do I always misspell that!
[19:15] <IdleOne> I was being sarcastic about the relevant off topicness
[19:24] <bazhang> ntz is amusing though
[19:37] <luigi> Hmm
[19:37] <luigi> This doesn't look right
[19:37] <luigi> bug 1 ?
[19:37] <luigi> Nope, this is right
[19:37] <LjL> looks good to me. luigi, you've been banned from #ubuntu for being intentionally disruptive to the channel
[19:37] <luigi> Hurray!
[19:37] <k1l> luigi: can we help you?
[19:37] <luigi> k1l: Nope!
[19:37] <luigi> I'm good
[19:38] <IdleOne> Please leave the channel in that case
[19:38] <DJones> luigi: If you have nothing else to discuss, then please note the channel has a no idleing policy
[19:38] <k1l> ok, then look out for another place to troll. not in the ubuntu channels and not on freenode.
[19:38] <luigi> Ah, yes, yes
[19:40] <luigi> Hmm
[19:40] <luigi> You guys need to learn the $a prefix
[19:41] <luigi> It's not that hard, seriously
[19:41]  * LjL rolls eyes
[19:42] <luigi> LjL: Sir, I take offense
[19:42] <LjL> i take offence at your taking offence, now what
[19:42]  * luigi thinks
[19:42] <luigi> You don't want to do that!  Free entertainment
[20:02] <LjL> then go make the money! quick!
[20:02] <IdleOne> Use the money for the new watch
[20:02] <LjL> come back when you've made the money, and report
[20:02] <bazhang> one that does not involve being a pest
[20:41] <bazhang> Seven_Six_Two> I'm looking for a current ubuntu member to sponsor me for membership. If you can help, please pm me. Thanks.


[04:52] <astechgeek> I've read through the Testing ISO wiki I tried to subscribe to the current test images but they aren't showing up in My Subscriptions. Am I looking in the wrong place?
[06:08] <kcj1993> what need testing?
[08:35] <kcj1993> hello? is there anyone in here?
[12:00] <davmor3> Hello everybody
[12:02] <czajkowski> davmor3: howdy
[12:02] <davmor3> czajkowski: hello you back in uk timezone mode now?
[12:03] <czajkowski> I'm in my Irish timezone :)
[12:05] <davmor3> you sure you're not in gmt?
[12:12] <czajkowski> Dublin
[12:12] <czajkowski> same thing
[12:13] <davmor3> czajkowski: and greenwich is where again :P
[12:13] <czajkowski> davmor3: I'm in Irish timezone, same as UK., how's that
[12:13] <davmor3> :)
[12:14] <davmor3> that'll do
[12:15] <davmor3> so is your head back in a real timezone anyway
[12:16] <czajkowski> more or less
[12:16] <davmor3> czajkowski: good
[13:52] <davmor3> morning fader_
[13:52] <fader_> davmor3: Howdy.  Looks like you got an upgrade!
[13:52]  * fader_ hopes this version is better than the last. :)
[13:53] <fader_> davmor3: How's life?
[13:55] <davmor3> back is a bit better but still hurting
[13:55] <davmor3> meds are still knocking me about a bit
[13:55] <fader_> :/
[13:56] <fader_> You've gotta get fixed up so I can start abusing you again!
[13:57] <davmor3> you can abuse me but I'll just ignore you :P
[14:04] <cr3> davmor3: that defeats the purpose of abusing you though
[14:05] <cr3> ... or abusing anyone for that matter
[14:05] <davmor3> cr3: yeah but it makes fader_ feel useful :)
[14:05] <fader_> I need *something* to feel useful about!
[14:06] <czajkowski> davmor3: you run gwibber?
[14:07] <davmor3> czajkowski: yeap
[14:08] <czajkowski> davmor3: can you see if you have any similar issues Launchpad bug 487064
[14:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487064 in gwibber "Message pane repaints frequently and resets the scroll status, losing reading position" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487064
[14:09] <davmor3> yes I noticed that but only if your in the top third of the list try scrolling about 2/3's of the way down and it stays there I think
[14:11] <czajkowski> davmor3: hmm , add that to ticket?
[14:11] <davmor3> try it out first makes sure it does
[14:14] <moustafa1> good morning, cr3, fader_, davmor3
[14:14] <davmor3> morning moustafa1
[14:15] <fader_> Hey dude
[14:16] <davmor3> fader_: what?
[14:16] <fader_> davmor3: Wrong dude :P
[14:17] <davmor3> fader_: you two timer you said I was the only dude in your life :'(
[14:17] <moustafaC> dudes, chillax
[14:18] <moustafaC> we're all each other's only dudes in each other's lives
[14:19] <davmor3> moustafaC: we're just playing :)
[14:19] <moustafaC> we're free and open dudes
[14:20] <moustafaC> davmor3, I'm just adding
[15:09] <fagan> thanks marjo for accepting me into the qa team group :)
[15:11] <davmor3> so guys how did uds go did you get some ideas?
[15:11]  * czajkowski has a long to do list
[15:11] <fagan> davmor3: yep loads of them
[15:12] <davmor3> cool
[15:13] <fagan> davmor3: I loved the bug day ideas
[15:13] <davmor3> don't we already have that?
[15:13] <fagan> But to make them better
[15:13] <marjo> fagan: welcome!
[15:13] <fagan> and to advertise them more
[15:13] <fagan> :D
[15:14] <davmor3> :D
[15:15] <czajkowski> get moer community involvement
[15:16] <fagan> czajkowski: thats the idea
[15:17] <fagan> having small bug days once a week and big bug days once a month
[15:17] <fagan> So we can get to packages we may not have got to before
[15:18] <davmor3> cool
[15:19] <czajkowski> davmor3: great email re fspot
[15:19] <davmor3> well
[15:21] <davmor3> I had a look at them after seeing the video about default apps
[15:23] <czajkowski> nods
[15:24] <fagan> We need to test pitivi a lot when its put it
[15:24] <fagan> *in
[15:27] <davmor3> need to find the time to do lots of stuff and test
[15:27] <fagan> davmor3: well it runs and it makes video using ogg correctly
[15:27] <fagan> but doing harder stuff is what we need
[15:28]  * fagan just made a bug against checkbox https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/487143
[15:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487143 in checkbox "More specific hardware questions shouldnt be asked" [Undecided,New]
[15:30] <davmor3> fagan: Yes demands time though
[15:30] <fagan> yep
[15:31]  * fagan thinks the main functionality is fine for pitivi
[15:32] <fagan> (except no one can pronounce its name)
[15:32] <davmor3> battery dying
[15:32] <davmor3> why not ask the guy that made it
[15:33] <davmor3> to video himself saying it in a linus linux stylee
[15:36] <fagan> ha
[15:37] <fagan> but im very impressed with it and collabora have put a lot of work into it
[15:38] <fagan> It even converts video too
[16:12] <astechgeek> Do you use the same test cases for Lucid as Karmic?
[16:14] <cr3> moustafaC: by the way, I just pushed changes to the message branch relating to checkbox.log
[16:14] <cr3> fagan: MySQL upgrade testing: http://www.elabs7.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=ax0v,j91v,33o,chzk,la7g,b3mp,9gne
[16:14] <cr3> fader_: ^^^
[16:14] <cr3> darn autocomplete...
[16:14] <fader_> astechgeek: At the moment yes; if you notice anything that isn't correct please let us know :)
[16:15] <fagan> hah
[16:15] <cr3> fagan: I hope it'll turn out to be interesting for you too :)
[16:15]  * fagan looks
[16:16] <fagan> cr3: nope :)
[16:16] <fader_> cr3: Interesting.  And probably largely automatable :)
[16:18] <fader_> (1 package down, 9999999 to go ;) )
[16:19] <moustafaC> cr3: branch merged :)
[18:40] <gormux> hello
[18:40] <gormux> is there a repository with KDE 4.4 ?
[18:40] <gormux> or do I have to compile it myself ?
[18:41] <sbeattie> gormux: you might have better luck asking in #kubuntu.
[18:43] <gormux> ah, yeah, not a bad idea :)
[19:08] <fagan> I just found ubuntu-qa-tools in synaptic whats in it?
[19:14]  * fagan investigates
[19:18] <fagan> Ah I didnt see the post on blog.qa.ubuntu.com
[19:28] <fader_> fagan: It's a collection of tools useful for testing Ubuntu.  I don't use all of them, but there's a script in there to keep ISOs rsync'd that is quite useful at least
[19:28] <fagan> fader_: I didnt know I just download the isos manually
[19:29] <fagan> ill fiddle about with the qa tools and bug hugger and see if I can triage bugs faster
[19:31]  * fagan is going to check on a few bugs that havent had activity in a while
[19:32] <sbeattie> fagan: unfortunately, the ubuntu-qa-tools package is out of date with respect to the bzr branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ubuntu-qa-tools/master
[19:32] <fagan> Im on lucid could someone upload a more up to date version?
[19:34] <moustafaC> Is Lucid even remotely available?
[19:34] <fagan> moustafaC: im using it so yes its available
[19:35] <fagan> I had to add the sources manually though
[19:35] <sbeattie> moustafaC: sure; it's just not much of a deviation from karmic at the moment.
[19:35] <astechgeek> installing the alternate-amd64.iso went well
[19:35] <fagan> is checkbox still using libglade?
[19:36] <moustafaC> sbeatty, fagan : I see.  To me, a new distro isn't a new distro until there are enough changes to make it so.
[19:36] <fagan> Well I like testing early
[19:37] <fagan> plus the new features for lucid will arrive before alpha 2
[19:46] <fagan> it would be great if launchpad's api was faster
[19:54] <fagan> to contribute to checkbox do I have to sign the canonical contributor agreement ?
[19:56] <fader_> fagan: My guess is yes, but cr3 might be in a better position to answer this.
[19:56] <fader_> cr3: ^^
[19:56] <cr3> fagan: any significant amount of code, I would imagine so
[19:57] <fagan> cr3: hmmm ill google it
[19:58] <cr3> fagan: yes, libglade is still being used. since the interface is rather simple, and I would like to keep it that way as much as possible, I would like to consider using straight gtk instead of having to maintain two branches: one for glade and another for gtkbuilder
[19:59] <fagan> Well I wouldnt think it would be a hell of amount of changes ill have a look at the code and see
[19:59] <cr3> fagan: there's already a contribution for gtkbuilder
[20:00] <fagan> Oh cool
[20:00] <cr3> fagan: the problem is that maintaining two branches would actually be a "hell of amount" more overhead than the changes themselves
[20:00] <fagan> How so?
[20:01] <cr3> I still want new versions of checkbox to be installable on all supported versions
[20:01] <cr3> ... of ubuntu
[20:01] <fagan> checkbox isnt listed under the contributor agreement
[20:01] <cr3> so, if everytime I add a new test I need to update two branches, which is no fun
[20:03] <fagan> cr3: well im sure the desktop team would like not to be shipping deprecated librarys so maybe try ship the gtkbuilder for lucid?
[20:03] <cr3> fagan: "I would like to consider using straight gtk instead"
[20:03] <cr3> are you saying that's not possible?
[20:04] <fagan> Ah it would
[20:05] <cr3> fagan: I'm not saying it's necessarily possible though :) I'm mostly curious to explore that possibility before settling on any particular technical solution
[20:05] <cr3> where "possible" should read: reasonable or feasible or sane :)
[20:05] <fagan> well its easier just to use gtkbuilder but just using pygtk would be ok too
[20:05] <fagan> pygtk just takes a little longer
[20:06] <cr3> I think there's potential considering the interface is intended to remain rather straightforward
[20:06] <cr3> for example, I don't foresee needing menus and so forth
[20:06] <fagan> True
[20:09] <cr3> fagan: also, I don't think clutter has something like gtkbuilder nor glade, so perhaps that extrapolating the current code into straight gtk could help create another interface using clutk
[20:09] <cr3> ... for unr
[20:10] <cr3> a qt interface is already being worked on, so this release will probably see custom interfaces for kde and unr
[20:10] <fagan> well we dont need to make a clutter interface
[20:10] <fagan> I dont think any projects have one yet
[20:10] <cr3> fagan: it would be cute for people to have their unr usb image and run checkbox before buying a netbook :)
[20:11] <fader_> IIRC Clutter relies on OpenGL, which would make it a poor choice for a [primary] checkbox UI
[20:11] <cr3> if we're the first, maybe we'll get more attention than the others :)
[20:11] <cr3> fader_: ubuntu would still rely on checkbox-gtk, just unr which already relies on opengl could provide checkbox-clutter
[20:11] <fagan> clutter is very complicated
[20:12] <fagan> for coding I mean
[20:12] <cr3> fagan: neil patel informed me that he has a library that makes programming clutter almost like gtk
[20:12] <fader_> cr3: I think UNR^HE is dropping the reliance on Clutter, as some ARM systems will not have OpenGL support
[20:12] <cr3> I think it's "clutk", mentionned above
[20:12] <fagan> ah that would be interesting
[20:13] <cr3> fader_: I seriously doubt the launcher will be rewritten without clutter
[20:13] <cr3> fagan: that library is basically what got me interested, otherwise I would totally agree with you and I wouldn't bother with clutter myself
[20:14] <fagan> we shouldnt switch to it before gnome 3 though
[20:17] <fader_> cr3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-une-2d-launcher
[20:20] <fagan> ARM should be able to use OpenGL
[20:20] <cr3> fader_: I wouldn't be surprised that clutk is the first step towards creating an abstraction layer where the same launcher code can be used wither with clutter or gtk
[20:21] <cr3> if neil were around, we could ask directly :)
[20:21] <fader_> cr3: Yeah, no idea about the technical implementation; just reporting what I heard at UDS
[20:21] <fagan> fader_: hmmm did we meet at the UDS?
[20:21]  * fagan is bad with names
[20:21] <cr3> it would be rather unfortunate if this requirement implicated a significant rewrite :(
[20:22] <fader_> fagan: Yeah, me too.  Got a launchpad page with a pic or anything?
[20:22] <fader_> Mine no longer looks much like me :)
[20:22] <fader_> cr3: You're volunteering, right? :D
[20:23]  * fagan has enough on his plade
[20:23] <fagan> *plate
[20:23] <cr3> fader_: dude, I no longer see my picture on launchpad.net/~cr3
[20:23] <cr3> fader_: yeah, I'm kinda volunterring mostly out of curiosity
[20:23] <fagan> Mine still looks like me
[20:24] <fader_> cr3: Huh, mine seems to have vanished as well
[20:24] <fagan> Oh they removed the big pictures
[20:24] <fader_> fagan: What's your LP ID?
[20:24] <cr3> fagan: yeah, that's weird
[20:25] <fagan> launchpad.net/~shanepatrickfagan
[20:25] <fagan> I wish I could shorten it but I have a ppa
[20:25]  * fagan needs to go
[20:25] <fader_> fagan: I don't see your pic either
[20:25] <fader_> :(
[20:26] <fagan> later guys and gals
[20:26]  * fader_ waves.
[20:27] <cr3> I suspect we're just too ugly
[20:27] <fader_> Indeed
[20:28]  * fader_ is an unperson.
[20:28] <fader_> Doubleplusungood!
[20:33] <moustafaC> I blame the 1337
[22:08] <moustafaC> cr3, fader_ : I bid you good evening
[22:08] <fader_> moustafaC: Adios!


[15:01] <juliank> o/
[15:01] <liushuyu> o/
[15:01] <ginggs_> o/
[15:01] <pushkarnk> o/
[15:02] <zhsj> o/
[15:02] <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:02:05 UTC.  The chair is juliank.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[15:02] <slyon> o/
[15:02] <ginggs> o/ also
[15:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[15:02] <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:02] <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-13-jul-2023/
[15:02] <juliank> 8 minutes for reading!
[15:02] <dviererbe> o/
[15:03] <bdmurray> timed reading‽
[15:03] <bdrung> juliank, 8min for your entry alone?
[15:03] <juliank> :D
[15:03] <juliank> Yeah we always continue at the :10 mark
[15:05] <bdmurray> dbungert: so the sponsoring report has been updated?
[15:05] <dbungert> bdmurray: no, not yet.  I think my MP doesn't have to be on python3, so I can run a python2 test then we could merge
[15:09] <juliank> sigh, doko added a apt-utils dependency to ca-certificates-java test so now it fails on i386 as it tries to swap i386 apt for amd64 one
[15:09] <juliank> this needs what an apt-utils:native?
[15:11] <bdrung> waveform, can you link the blog post that you wrote?
[15:11]  * juliank checks
[15:11] <waveform> bdrung, it's not finished yet -- still getting screenshots on the last two (because I forgot to get them first time round and it takes at least 2 hours to get each to run!)
[15:12] <waveform> it'll be the follow-on from https://waldorf.waveform.org.uk/2023/desktop-on-a-stick.html though (I'll update that one with a link once it's posted)
[15:12] <bdrung> ah, i intrepreted that entry that you have finished writing it.
[15:12] <juliank> so ginngs, badtesting ca-certificates-java/i386 was wrong
[15:12] <juliank> the new test dependency is wrong
[15:13] <bdrung> schopin, you did not mention apport. Was it too disturbing?
[15:13] <ginggs> juliank: ack
[15:13] <juliank> I'll just go try :native, I don't have an i386 cross-testing setup
[15:13] <schopin> bdrung: I honestly forgot.
[15:14] <ginggs> juliank: i find testing in a PPA is good for i386/cross-testing
[15:15] <juliank> Sounds reasonable
[15:15] <juliank> Let's move on
[15:15] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:15] <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:15] <juliank> bug 2026637 is up to desktop to figure out what they want
[15:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2026637 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "[mantic] many useful apps are marked for auto removal" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2026637
[15:16] <juliank> let's look at bug 2026826
[15:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2026826 in GLib "glib2.0 (2.77.0 ) breaks Netplan build" [Unknown, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2026826
[15:16] <juliank> I think that's with desktop too, though
[15:16] <slyon> ^ this one is probably fixed
[15:16] <slyon> (confirming the fix right now
[15:17] <juliank> bug 2026310 I don't think is worth spending work on right now
[15:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2026310 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "UEFI boot entry named 'ubuntu' should be called 'Ubuntu'" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2026310
[15:19] <bdrung> Isn't that a small drive-by change?
[15:20] <zhsj> if it's been there for a long time, people may rely on that... lol
[15:20] <juliank> this is quite complex
[15:21] <juliank> I moved it to nn-incoming
[15:21] <juliank> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

[15:21] <juliank> *<empty>
[15:22] <juliank> ok jj and ff are empty too, skipping
[15:22] <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:22] <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:22] <juliank> now to find the jira tracking epic
[15:24] <juliank> netcat-openbsd
[15:25] <juliank> yes the failures are network related
[15:25] <juliank> volunteers?
[15:25] <danilogondolfo> juliank, I can take a look
[15:26] <juliank> netcat-openbsd: danilogondolfo
[15:26] <juliank> gcc-13 seems to need a hint, I'd assign ginggs to it
[15:26] <ginggs> gcc-13 is no longer is never_run, and the retest is already in the queue
[15:26] <ginggs> in*
[15:26] <juliank> perfect
[15:26] <juliank> python-click blocking python3-defaults
[15:27] <juliank> >  AttributeError: property 'encoding' of 'DontReadFromInput' object has no setter
[15:27] <bdrung> i can have a look
[15:27] <juliank> python-click: bdrung
[15:27] <juliank> python-lockfile blocking setuptools (67.8.0-1 to 68.0.0-1) for 7 days
[15:27] <juliank> > FAIL stderr: /tmp/autopkgtest.Alr6oH/build.pAS/src/debian/tests/smoke_test.py:27: DeprecationWarning: pkg_resources is deprecated as an API. See https://setuptools.pypa.io/en/latest/pkg_resources.html
[15:28] <dbungert> juliank: I've done one of these already, I can take that
[15:28] <juliank> python-lockfile: dbungert
[15:29] <juliank> multiple things blocking python3-defaults (3.11.4-1 to 3.11.4-5)
[15:29] <juliank> python3-defaults vs openvswitch
[15:29] <juliank> [seems not super related imo]
[15:29] <danilogondolfo> openvswitch is failing due to dpdk
[15:29] <xypron_> setuptools-scm has a bug in its  pyproject.toml
[15:30] <danilogondolfo> same reason why netcat-openbsd has excuses
[15:30] <juliank> ah yes
[15:30]  * juliank is bad at remembering
[15:30] <juliank> xypron_: you're a couple lines ahead :D
[15:31] <juliank> python-click/8.1.3-2 we already assigned
[15:31] <juliank> python3-defaults vs python-molotov is a timeout
[15:31] <juliank> 11050s autodep8-python3     FAIL timed out
[15:31] <juliank> 11050s autodep8-python3     PASS (superficial)
[15:31] <juliank> confusing
[15:31] <ginggs> i'll take the rest of python3-defaults
[15:31] <juliank> bdmurray: do you know what that means, it's the same test twice?
[15:32] <juliank> thanks ginggs
[15:32] <juliank> python-molotov/2.1-5: arm64 (log, history)
[15:32] <juliank> python-omegaconf/2.2.2
[15:32] <juliank> those ones ginggs?
[15:32] <ginggs> yes
[15:32] <juliank> ack
[15:32] <juliank> ugh now it gets weird
[15:32] <bdmurray> juliank: No, but I could look into it.
[15:33] <juliank> bdmurray: check with ginggs I'd say
[15:33] <juliank> setuptools  vs doit/0.31.1
[15:34] <juliank> also editorconfig-core-py and gandi-cli
[15:34] <juliank> Are pkg_resources deprecation warnings
[15:35] <juliank> python3-defaults vs setuptools-scm: xypron_
[15:36] <juliank> so patroni is a real issue, the others are all deprecation warningsa
[15:36] <juliank> dbungert could maybe explain what to do
[15:37] <juliank> setuptools vs doit: juliank
[15:37] <juliank> setuptools vs editorconfig-core-py: ?
[15:37] <slyon> I can
[15:37] <juliank> setuptools vs editorconfig-core-py: slyon
[15:38] <juliank> Actually should we drop them into a separate epic and we can go pick from it?
[15:38] <slyon> dbungert: can you give a reference of where you fixed that deprecation issue earlier? So we can take it as a template
[15:39] <dbungert> slyon: digging
[15:40] <juliank> I'll just go assigning alphabetically shout if you don't want
[15:40] <juliank> setuptools vs gandi-cli: adrien
[15:41] <juliank> setuptools vs pyethash: waveform
[15:41] <waveform> ok
[15:41] <schopin> (how does one pronounce that?)
[15:41] <juliank> setuptools vs pyrlp: dviererbe
[15:41] <adrien> sure (sorry, got distracted right when I was about to answer)
[15:41] <juliank> setuptools vs python-coverage: pushkarnk
[15:42] <pushkarnk> sure
[15:42] <juliank> setuptools vs python-daemon: schopin
[15:42] <schopin> ack
[15:42] <dbungert> https://peps.python.org/pep-0632/ should help for people handling distutils deprecation items
[15:43] <juliank> python-jsonext liushuyu
[15:43] <juliank> eh
[15:43] <juliank> setuptools vs python-jsonext liushuyu
[15:44] <juliank> setuptools vs python-lockfile: zhsj
[15:44] <liushuyu> juliank: okay
[15:44] <zhsj> ack
[15:44] <juliank> setuptools vs python-tinyrpc: vorlon
[15:45] <juliank> setuptools vs patroni: doko
[15:45] <juliank> setuptools vs python-can: sil2100
[15:46] <waveform> for pkg_resources deprecations, importlib.resources (https://docs.python.org/3/library/importlib.resources.html) is probably worth a look too
[15:46] <juliank> pillow vs django-simple-captcha mateus-morais
[15:46] <waveform> (particularly the migration document: https://importlib-resources.readthedocs.io/en/latest/migration.html)
[15:47] <juliank> pillow vs dnstwist: ogayot
[15:47] <juliank> pillow vs fdroidserver: vladimir
[15:48] <juliank> and everyone has one now, but lots of stuff leftover
[15:49] <juliank> #topic AOB
[15:49] <ginggs> gcc 13 is now the default in debian and ubuntu
[15:49] <juliank> hooray
[15:49] <juliank> I need to compile grub with something newer than gcc-10
[15:51] <zhsj> so i guess we will see lots of new items in proposed migration for gcc-defaults /me run away.
[15:52] <adrien> I'll be off on tomorrow
[15:53] <juliank> #endmeeting
[15:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:53:29 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-07-13-15.02.moin.txt