[02:21] <highvoltage> JaneW: i think you talked to someone about the -users mailing list?
[02:21] <mhz> highvoltage: hi mon
[02:21] <JaneW> I'll resend
[02:21] <ogra> JaneW, i'll take that over then
[02:22] <cbx33> ogra: AMD64 live works
[02:22] <cbx33> I'm using it now
[02:22] <ogra> great, i have only tested amd64 install yet
[02:22] <ogra> (which works fine here as well :) )
[02:22] <cbx33> anything in particular you want me to test
[02:23] <cbx33> firefox and oo work
[02:23] <mhz> cbx33: cool!
[02:23] <ogra> gcompris probably
[02:23] <cbx33> ok
[02:23] <ogra> or some other edu app
[02:23] <mhz> oh yeah, FF and OOO 100% ok
[02:23] <mhz> Gcompris worked just fine
[02:24] <ogra> also check http://localhost:7080/
[02:24] <ogra> (on a default install, not on the liveCD)
[02:24] <JaneW> ogra: you and highvoltage have been CC'ed
[02:24] <mhz> except i intentionally pushed it by making lots of clicking and got stuck, but could not reproduce the error later.
[02:24] <ogra> JaneW, thanks
[02:24] <JaneW> ogra: we'll need someone else to administer those lists, filtering spam etc, you shouldn't do it
[02:25] <JaneW> any volunteers?
[02:25] <JaneW> ^^
[02:25] <mhz> ME!!
[02:25] <JaneW> ogra: and do you not want tomorrow's meeting?
[02:25] <JaneW> mhz: sure!
[02:25] <mhz> JaneW: thx
[02:25] <ogra> JaneW, yes, lets drop tomorrows meeting
[02:25] <mhz> no meeting tomorrow???
[02:25] <mhz> booooh
[02:25] <JaneW> ogra: ok, but we'll need to resolve all outstanding issues next week
[02:26] <JaneW> which is day before release!
[02:26] <ogra> then hold the meeting tomorrow, but dont expect me to be available :)
[02:27] <pygi> hey JaneW
[02:27] <mhz> ;)
[02:28] <cbx33> no meeting tormowow :'(
[02:28] <cbx33> :p
[02:28] <pygi> cbx33, any progress with book?
[02:28] <ogra> cbx33, depends on JaneW
[02:28] <cbx33> not as yet, but finished up ESA and converte highvoltages getting started guide to ocbook
[02:29] <ogra> i'll be busy
[02:29] <cbx33> heh it's ok,
[02:29] <bimberi> ogra: fyi i've subscribed the BugSquad to some packages - https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs - looks like someone else has too :)
[02:29] <JaneW> I think we should meet informally - here at 12:00, but certainly not at 20:00 please
[02:29] <cbx33> JaneW: sounds goo
[02:29] <JaneW> we can discuss community and outstanding issues then
[02:29] <JaneW> agreed?
[02:29] <ogra> yep
[02:29] <JaneW> cool
[02:29] <mhz> yup
[02:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes
[02:30] <JaneW> ogra: you can then get on with your work and not have to book out and hour for 'meeting'
[02:30] <ogra> i might be partially there, depending on workload
[02:30] <cbx33> :D
[02:30] <cbx33> heheh
[02:30] <mhz> I'll bring cookies
[02:30] <highvoltage> so it's here 12:00 tomorrow? i'll be here 50%, will be irc'ing from cellphone, but will be reading at full speed at least :)
[02:30] <mhz> lol
[02:30] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[02:30] <ogra> bimberi, great :)
[02:31] <cbx33> idn't get a chance to say good mornin yet :p
[02:31] <mhz> highvoltage: i can lend you my Jornada 728, it should be lot easier to irc
[02:31] <bimberi> ogra: np :)
[02:31] <pygi> JaneW, I see Daniel also got mentoring :)
[02:32] <cbx33> ogra: o you need ubiquity tested on AMDddddddd64?
[02:32] <ogra> sure
[02:32] <cbx33> ok I'll see what I can do....don;t think there's enough space on this hdd
[02:32] <mhz> cbx33: what is ubiquity?
[02:33] <cbx33> the live installer
[02:33] <mhz> google!
[02:33] <mhz> oh, thx
[02:33] <cbx33> you're welcome to test it
[02:33] <cbx33> if you have AMD 46 :p
[02:33] <cbx33> and free disk space
[02:33] <mhz> yup, I guess i do, in the lab I am today
[02:33] <ogra> its also valuable to test it on non amd64 platforms :P
[02:33] <cbx33> ok
[02:33] <mhz> cbx33: just apt-get and it works or needs some hours of config?
[02:33] <ogra> but you need at least 256M to make it work
[02:33] <cbx33> I can o that this evening,
[02:34] <cbx33> mhz: if you have the liveCD
[02:34] <cbx33> for AMDD64
[02:34] <cbx33> ouble click on the install icon on the desktop
[02:34] <mhz> ogra: LAB is either 1.x GHz (AMD and Intel) and minimum of 512 MB of RAM and 40 GB of HD
[02:34] <JaneW> mhz: hope they'll be edubuntu cookies
[02:35] <mhz> JaneW: oh, no time for it, but they have a nice windows icon :D
[02:35] <mhz> we can still eat it
[02:36] <JaneW> mhz: did you get my PM?
[02:36] <pips1> hello JaneW
[02:36] <JaneW> hi pips1
[02:37] <highvoltage> hey cbx33
[02:37] <highvoltage> mhz: that woudl be nice, thanks
[02:37] <pips1> hey highvoltage
[02:37] <highvoltage> hi pips1
[02:38] <pips1> finally got some time to spend on edubuntu again :-)
[02:38] <mhz> JaneW: yup, you did not because I was not registered (duh!)
[02:38] <mhz> JaneW: i am already in, thanx
[02:38] <pips1> highvoltage, you seem busy as always, if not busier ;-)
[02:38] <JaneW> mhz: ok good
[02:38] <mhz> highvoltage: what? the HP J728?
[02:39] <mhz> JaneW: and just accept it... you made that password up :D
[02:39] <highvoltage> mhz: yes
[02:39] <JaneW> mhx: there's loads of spam everyday, I used to scan through for the very odd legit one now I just discard all
[02:39] <JaneW> mhz: never!
[02:39] <mhz> hehehhe
[02:39] <pips1> congrats to the edubuntu council elections, btw!
[02:39] <JaneW> mhz: I think it was jdub
[02:39] <cbx33> ok that's another one tested
[02:40] <mhz> JaneW: yup, probabley he did... Oh, maybe that's why he "hides" and respond to emails once in a blue moon :D
[02:40] <JaneW> btw jdub is doing the new mailing list now
[02:41] <mhz> see? he's always doing something for the world
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: jdub has made the list, you will need to finish setting it up
[02:45] <ogra> JaneW, we're PMing
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: and I suggest you add some more admins, I think it's just you atm
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: ok cool
[02:45] <ogra> JaneW, yep
[02:47] <cbx33> mhz: the edubuntu homies have edubuntu on their skateboards
[02:47] <cbx33> hehe
[02:47] <mhz> oh, this is roller skates
[02:47] <mhz> "Edubuntu = with you, all the way"
[02:48] <cbx33> heheh
[02:48] <cbx33> ogra: is there anything else you need help with?
[02:48] <mhz> "...even when you stumble and get your face hiting the sidewalk"
[02:48] <cbx33> mhz: I know that feeling
[02:48] <mhz> yeah
[02:48] <ogra> cbx33, nnot beyond testing atm, no
[02:49] <cbx33> ok
[02:49] <cbx33> sorry I'm not much help in other areas yet
[02:49] <cbx33> I'll try harder
[02:49] <ogra> :)
[02:49] <mhz> oh, well, ogra, is it helpful if I also test on this thin-laptop?
[02:49] <ogra> youre doing damned well, really
[02:50] <cbx33> gimme an area to help in and I'll learn more
[02:50] <cbx33> ogra: well I hope I'm at least partially useful :p
[02:50] <ogra> mhz, sure, but i wouldnt suggest a liveCD install ;)
[02:50] <mhz> LOL
[02:50] <ogra> cbx33, you are !!!
[02:50] <cbx33> brb guys
[02:50] <mhz> okis, at night then... when I have 2 hours for the install process
[02:50] <cbx33> gottqa fix an RJ45 outlet
[02:51] <mhz_Shower> okis, guys, See ya later (from the LAB)
[03:13] <cbx33> phew back
[04:00] <ogra> all testers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodeNamesToVersionNumbers
[04:00] <ogra> if you stumble across the term "dapper drake" anywhere, please let me know so i can remove it
[04:01] <ogra> (most things will be covered by ubuntu fixes alrerady, but there might be some occurences we're not aware)
[04:03] <cbx33> ogra: does that mean ESA will have to be patched too?
[04:04] <ogra> only stuff on the cD for now
[04:04] <ogra> but ESA would indeed also be a candidate
[04:04] <cbx33> ok
[04:04] <cbx33> as indeed would gettingstarted?
[04:04] <ogra> yep
[04:04] <cbx33> did you see I have moved that to docbook
[04:04] <cbx33> :D
[04:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: indeed
[04:05] <ogra> no, i didnt
[04:05] <cbx33> yup just like you requested :p
[04:05] <ogra> did you take the recent one from edubuntu-docs with the fixes and new screenshots ?
[04:05] <cbx33> i patched the makefile too, just waiting for it to be included in the repo
[04:05] <cbx33> ogra: but of course mon ami :p
[04:06] <ogra> :)
[04:07] <cbx33> will be putting ESA on the drupal site too when I get a spare minute
[04:07] <cbx33> but not calling it ESA obviously
[04:07] <cbx33> I also have to mock that up in scribus and get some tests printed off
[04:07] <cbx33> which is why I was asking you if there was anything more urgent to do first
[04:19] <pips1> install cd for amd64 <default> (resize partition) went ok :-)
[04:20] <ogra> yay
[04:20] <cbx33> nice one pips1
[04:20] <cbx33> have you filled in the wiki?
[04:21] <cbx33> ogra: did you want me to try server install again tonight with the LTSP build not building?
[04:21] <pips1> minor issue: the gnome login is in the wrong resolution (not my 1280x1024, looks more like 800x400?)
[04:22] <ogra> cbx33, as i said, we dont need to test the "server" install
[04:22] <pips1> cbx33, what's the wiki page, link?
[04:22] <ogra> oh, you mean the expert one
[04:22] <ogra> pips1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu
[04:22] <ogra> cbx33, as i said, we dont need to test the "server" install
[04:23] <cbx33> ok thanx
[04:24] <pips1> erm, gnome login display looks like 800x600
[04:24] <pips1> ?!
[04:24] <cbx33> is 800x600 still the lwest res we support
[04:25] <ogra> iirc it should default to 1024x786
[04:25] <ogra> not to 800x600
[04:25] <cbx33> ok
[04:26] <pips1> well, It might be 1024x786, not sure, but it's definitely not the 1280x1024 I chose before install (gnome desktop *is* 1280x...)
[04:26] <ogra> thats funny
[04:26] <pips1> it looks all pixelated
[04:26] <pips1> same after rebooting
[04:27] <pips1> lemme try a thinclient now and see what the resolution of gnome login screen is there...
[04:28] <cbx33> heheh
[04:28] <ogra> thats unrelated
[04:28] <ogra> the X config is generated newly on every boot on the clients and the login manager isnt gdm
[04:29] <pips1> ah, i see. but I'll test with thin clients anyway... :-)
[04:29] <ogra> :)
[04:33] <pips1> my laptops pxe doesn't get an ip... how can I see on the server if dhcp is running?
[04:33] <ogra> ps ax|grep dhsp
[04:33] <ogra> err
[04:33] <ogra> dhcp
[04:34] <pips1> oh, no, keymap wasn't set right :-(
[04:35] <pips1> my keyboard is swiss-german. what key is the pipe symbol on us layout?
[04:36] <pips1> ach, I might try to change keymap under System>...
[04:38] <pips1> ok, at least that worked
[04:39] <pips1> these keymap problems plague me since breezy... I thought they fixed it
[04:39] <pips1> ah, no dhcp running
[04:40] <ogra> did you configure it ?
[04:40] <ogra> it wont "just start" if there is no matching IP
[04:40] <cbx33> I already have a dhcp server
[04:41] <pips1> erm, where do I need to configure it? (wasn't asked during install)
[04:42] <pips1> i turned off dhcp server on my dsl router, because I thought that's what I need to do, since I thought edbuntu runs a dhcp by default. was that changed?
[04:43] <ogra> pips1, see the InstallNotes
[04:43] <pips1> ok
[04:43] <ogra> you need to have at least one matching static interface, else the dhcp server wont start
[04:46] <pips1> oops, I chose ip <IP_ADDRESS>, so that's probably why dhcp didn't start then
[04:51] <ogra> yep
[04:52] <ogra> i'll fix that in edgy
[04:52] <pips1> :)
[04:53] <pips1> didn't you have sound on thin clients working at some point?
[04:53] <ogra> yep
[04:53] <ogra> you need to enable it
[04:53] <pips1> ah
[04:53] <ogra> and indeed the soundcard needs to be supported
[04:56] <pips1> ogra is there a wiki page that describes the step to get amd64 server working with i386 client?
[04:56] <ogra> i mailed a reciepe to the ML recently
[05:02] <ogra> :)
[05:02] <ogra> i guess that should go on the wiki at some point
[05:04] <pips1> yep
[05:32] <v2> ick
[05:32] <ogra> ?
[05:32] <v2> :)
[05:32] <ogra> :)
[05:32] <melon> :)
[05:49] <pips1> ogra, usplash (?) and login screen on thin client shows 'ubuntu' rather 'edubuntu' --> known issue?
[05:50] <ogra> yep
[05:50] <ogra> err, no
[05:50] <ogra> on the login it should be edubuntu
[05:50] <ogra> usplash wont change
[05:50] <pips1> nope
[05:50] <ogra> ok, i'll check that
[05:50] <ogra> thanks !!
[05:52] <pips1> do you think I might be related to me rebuilding i386 on amd64?
[05:56] <pips1> erm, also I can't seem to logon on a thin client as a new user (login as initial user works, though)
[05:56] <ogra> ah, yes
[05:56] <ogra> sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork will fix it
[05:56] <pips1> ok, I'll try that
[05:58] <pips1> ok, it did fix it, indeed
[06:02] <pips1> however, not being able to login with a new user account on thin client is kind of a show stopper.. :-O
[06:03] <pips1> huh? the test users are gone after reboot?!
[06:03] <pips1> ls
[06:03] <pips1> oops, wrong keyboard :-)
[06:05] <pips1> ogra ?
[06:06] <pips1> the screen simply refreshes and I get dumped back to the login screen...
[06:07] <ogra> you changed the ip ?
[06:07] <ogra> (when you made your dhcp server work)
[06:07] <ogra> if so, run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[06:08] <pips1> erm, not that I know of... original ip <IP_ADDRESS> set during install, then I did a search and replace with '192.168.0' --> '192.168.1' in dhcpd.conf
[06:09] <ogra> ah, k
[06:09] <ogra> did you install sabayon or pessulus ?
[06:09] <ogra> they would need you to set up default profiles before they let unprivileged users in
[06:10] <lucasvo> ogra: do you know if I can branch over ssh with bzr?
[06:11] <ogra> sure use sftp://
[06:11] <ogra> bzr get sftp://blah
[06:11] <ogra> mkdir ../blah-branch && bzr branch . ../blah-branch
[06:12] <pips1> ogra, no didn't install either
[06:12] <ogra> hmm
[06:12] <ogra> can you check the users ~/.xsession-errors ?
[06:20] <pips1> hmm, strange, I see the new user account in the user & groups tool, but no home directory was created
[06:20] <ogra> ah
[06:20] <ogra> thats your problem then :)
[06:20] <pips1> does that ring a bell?
[06:21] <ogra> bug against gnome-system-tools (if it doesnt exist already)
[06:21] <LaserJock> ogra: you don't like the French?
[06:22] <ogra> LaserJock, its bigger than the spanish ... was a size decision
[06:22] <LaserJock> bummer
[06:22] <ogra> give me something else to drop thats >2M
[06:22] <LaserJock> firefox ;-)
[06:22] <ogra> next release :)
[06:23] <ogra> (waiting for ephy to be fixed)
[06:28] <pips1> hmm, not sure if my prob was reported yet or not... there is a similar bug (#18632), that that's way more specific than mine. Don't know what to do.
[06:31] <pips1> ok, 'adduser' works, login from thin client now works
[06:32] <LaserJock> what are Ubuntu's default icons?
[06:32] <melon_> ok, I'm stuck. :( Is there any way to use local devices on thick(rich) client?
[06:33] <ogra> melon_, next release (october)
[06:36] <melon_> ogra: oh, I see :(
[06:37] <pips1> ogra, tried to follow your LTSPClientKeymap howto, but there is no /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf . In fact, there doesn't seem to be a 'lts.conf' on my system (I tried find)
[06:38] <ogra> yep
[06:38] <pips1> ?
[06:38] <ogra> there is none by default, since we dont need it "by default"
[06:38] <ogra> just create it :)
[06:38] <pips1> I understand
[06:42] <LaserJock> ogra: just a quick thought: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/Edubuntu
[06:43] <lucasvo> http://lamscommunity.org/
[06:43] <lucasvo> server error :(
[06:43] <lucasvo> LaserJock: create a spec
[06:44] <ogra> LaserJock, sounds good for discussion in paris
[06:44] <LaserJock> ogra: should I flesh it out and make it a spec?
[06:45] <ogra> LaserJock, yep, but keep in mind that dropping stuff from one flavour wont gain us anything on the CD
[06:45] <LaserJock> right
[06:45] <ogra> since they should be insallable all from the same media
[06:45] <LaserJock> I was looking more for making a lighter install for the Edubuntu Kids
[06:45] <lucasvo> ogra: should they?
[06:46] <lucasvo> LaserJock: and for e.g. not install gcompris on university version :)
[06:46] <LaserJock> I was thinking that University could be fairly minimal because most people will want to customize it using meta-packs
[06:46] <LaserJock> and they have good connections :-)
[06:47] <lucasvo> yeah
[06:47] <ogra> lucasvo, we wont ship more than one edubuntu CD
[06:47] <lucasvo> LaserJock: but 14+ age is not only university
[06:47] <lucasvo> also highschool with  bad connection
[06:47] <ogra> so all flavours need to fit
[06:47] <LaserJock> lucasvo: yeah, I was trying to think of how to do that
[06:47] <lucasvo> just remove qt
[06:47] <lucasvo> :)
[06:48] <LaserJock> that won't solve everything
[06:48] <lucasvo> no, but it gives us more space
[06:48] <lucasvo> a smaller kernel :)
[06:48] <ogra> LaserJock, well, it would drop KDE langpacks
[06:48] <ogra> see K: here http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/langpacksize.txt
[06:48] <lucasvo> oh yeah
[06:49] <ogra> or better KSum
[06:49] <ogra> KDE in spanish is 12M
[06:50] <ogra> for only one language ...
[06:51] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah that is a lot
[06:51] <pips1> what is the config file where the keymap/country codes are stored?
[06:53] <ogra> /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/
[06:53] <lucasvo> but then there are a lot of missing apps
[06:54] <ogra> grep xkb_keymap /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/* | awk '{split($0, kb);printf \"%s\\n\", kb[2] }'|grep -v xkb_keymap|sort|uniq"
[06:54] <ogra> will give you a proper list iirc
[06:56] <pips1> erm, tried you amazing grep/awk combo, but no luck ;-)
[06:56] <ogra> yep, its broken
[06:56] <ogra> grep xkb_keymap /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/* | awk '{split($0, kb);printf "%s\n", kb[2] }'|grep -v xkb_keymap|sort|uniq
[06:56] <ogra> thats the tight one
[06:56] <ogra> *right
[06:56] <pips1> it *is* tight, dude! ;-)
[06:56] <ogra> :)
[06:57] <ogra> the first one was just copied out of LTSPManager
[06:57] <pips1> cheers, worked like a charm (second)
[07:04] <pips1> erm, so... for swiss-german keymap in LTSPClientKeymap, do I use 'ch_de' or 'de_CH'? I tried both, neither worked.
[07:08] <pips1> guys, tell me, am I a freak for wanting English system language with a swiss-german keyboard? That combination *should* just work out of the box, no? (German system language with swiss-german keyboard "just works" fine)
[07:09] <ogra> on the server, yes
[07:09] <ogra> not sure if you *need* to select it in the gfxboot screen before installing though
[07:10] <ogra> might be that it preseeds some values in the installer
[07:11] <pips1> I selected English + Swiss-German in the initial screen (F2 + F3 options)... but I still only got English keymap :-(
[07:12] <pips1> ok, at least the 'de' in LTSPClientKeymap works, but I don't know what value I need to use to get swiss-german keymap on the thin clients.. Does anyone know?
[07:12] <pips1> lucasvo, maybe? :-)
[07:14] <ogra> de_CH ?
[07:15] <pips1> That keymap bug is my personal ubuntu bug no.1, grumble, rant.
[07:15] <pips1> tried that, didn't work
[07:15] <ogra> its an xkb map, so it should logically work
[07:18] <pips1> it's amazing how such seemingly trivial issues can just suck away hours and hours :-)
[07:19] <highvoltage> pips1: *nods*
[07:19] <pips1> he
[07:21] <pips1> nope, de_CH definitely doesn't work
[07:22] <ogra> LaserJock, before you rant again, i only dropped -support-es, not -pack-es :)
[07:26] <pips1> ok guys, that was my testing day. amd64 install cd works. but I get the feeling that there are still lots of (ubuntu) bugs to be squashed!
[07:26] <pips1> personal closing note for today: I really like the chalkboard background
[07:26] <pips1> ;-)
[07:29] <pips1> ogra, thanks for you help! cu
[07:30] <ogra> thanks for testing ! :)
[07:30] <LaserJock> ogra: rant? ;-)
[07:31] <ogra> :)
[07:31] <pips1> my pleasure! dapper is a big step forward, imo. really nice.
[07:32] <ogra> LaserJock, actually it might enable us to add -fr back :)
[07:32] <ogra> pips1, thanks :)
[07:32] <pips1> cheerio
[07:33] <LaserJock> ogra: as long as you don't take en out I'm fine :-)
[07:33] <ogra> heh
[07:33] <ogra> it wouldnt be installable without en :)
[07:38] <LaserJock> I love terminals and I still don't get aptitude
[07:38] <ogra> hehe
[07:38] <ogra> same here :)
[07:38] <ogra> but i didnt want to start a flame
[07:38] <LaserJock> yeah, aptitude has a quite devoted following :-)
[07:39] <LaserJock> somebody was going through wiki.ubuntu.com doing a s/apt-get/aptitude/
[07:39] <ogra> eek
[07:40] <Burgwork> LaserJock, ogra I am going to fix that once and for all
[07:40] <Burgwork> the grand plan is to not mention any way of installing, simply say "Install the following packages"
[07:40] <ogra> how ?
[07:40] <ogra> ah, yes
[07:40] <Burgwork> it is on my todo list for tonight
[07:41] <LaserJock> Burgwork: people will just s/Install the following packages/aptitude/ ;-)
[07:41] <Burgwork> LaserJock, if they do, I will LART them
[07:41] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:41] <Burgwork> and if they do it again, I will get their edit privs yanked
[07:42] <ogra> just add "changing coreys wiki additions is a violation" to the CoC ;)
[07:42] <Burgwork> lol
[07:43] <Burgwork> I should post to the -doc list about what I am going to do, just as fair warning
[07:43] <LaserJock> I always think it is weird, if people are smart enough to use aptitude then they are obviously smart enough to s/apt-get/aptitude/ in their brain
[07:44] <Burgwork> debian has standarized on aptitude over apt-get
[07:44] <LaserJock> have they?
[07:44] <ogra> we'll standarize on smart over aptitude *and* apt-get !
[07:45] <LaserJock> darn it, I dislike how when I install kubuntu-desktop & ubuntu-desktop the menus turn into a zoo
[07:46] <Burgwork> LaserJock, afaik, yes
[07:46] <Burgwork> ogra, that will be nice, but we will need dummy scripts that do the same thing as apt-get and aptitude to not break peoples scritps
[07:47] <LaserJock> Burgwork: how can they even do that? in their documentation?
[07:47] <Burgwork> I have heard it mentioned
[07:56] <LaserJock> does the documentation on the LTSP websited apply to Edubuntu?
[07:57] <ogra> partially
[07:57] <ogra> not to the core parts
[07:57] <ogra> but things like the ltspfs page for example and all the tweakage to dhcpd.conf etc etc
[07:58] <Burgwork> ogra, is edubuntu documentation moving off the wiki?
[07:59] <ogra> partially
[07:59] <ogra> not to the core parts
[07:59] <ogra> but things like the ltspfs page for example and all the tweakage to dhcpd.conf etc etc
[07:59] <Burgwork> ok
[07:59] <ogra> :P
[07:59] <ogra> nah, the LTSP wikipages are needed
[08:00] <ogra> we'll put the more fleshed out pages on www.edubuntu.org later
[08:00] <ogra> but the wiki is still the place to create docs
[08:03] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:44] <cbx33> evenin all
[08:44] <LaserJock> HI!
[08:46] <cbx33> wow capitols
[08:47] <Burgwork> salut cbx33
[08:47] <highvoltage> hey cbx33!
[08:48] <cbx33> hi Burgwork , highvoltage
[08:48] <LaserJock> cbx33: yes well from about 45 min ago : *  highvoltage wonders where cbx33 is tonight
[08:48] <cbx33> bb in 20
[08:48] <highvoltage> there he goes again
[08:48] <highvoltage> :)
[08:50] <cbx33> oi
[08:51] <highvoltage> cbx33: seems like it's some kind of version problem with php on the server (which we can't change)
[08:52] <highvoltage> cbx33: so we're going with a new theme, which i have hald way done, went with friendselectric, which i should have from the beginning, it has much simpler css, and it's starting to look real nice
[08:57] <saugilsr> hi all, I started a spec for Drive imaging in edubuntu.. it's my first attempt at doing such a thing so let me know if im on the right track or should commit Seppuku..  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDriveImagingSpec
[08:59] <ogra> saugilsr, thats nice, but would be more applicable as an ubuntu spec
[08:59] <cbx33> highvoltage, cool
[08:59] <cbx33> that sounds great
[09:00] <ogra> saugilsr, we inherit such stuff from ubuntu then, usually there is no low level stuff done in edubuntu specifically
[09:01] <saugilsr> ogra: ok. I can move it. Wasn't sure how that worked.
[09:01] <Burgwork> saugilsr, from someone who has done both drive imaging and preseeding stuff, I think preseeding is a sane option
[09:03] <cbx33> ogra, hows the testing going, got any more volunteers?
[09:04] <Burgwork> cbx33, I am hours away from my first Edubuntu install, much to my horror
[09:04] <ogra> saugilsr, also you are talking about /tftpboot ... seems to me you should get a bit familiar with ubuntu ltsp :)
[09:04] <highvoltage> i badly wanted to get a testing group together for this release. i made some progress with bluekaja, but i think he got distracted somehow :/
[09:04] <ogra> Burgwork, we're all here :)
[09:05] <ogra> cbx33, currently i'm still fighting with that i386 oversizedness
[09:05] <cbx33> oh dear
[09:05] <ogra> sad thing is that it should be solved since some hours
[09:06] <cbx33> oh dear ++
[09:06] <ogra> but every time i trigger a livefs build any package just got uploaded that breaks everything
[09:06] <highvoltage> kdeedu should perhaps have been dropped earlier :/
[09:06] <ogra> dia-gnome killed the current build
[09:06] <ogra> highvoltage, nope
[09:06] <cbx33> oh dear ++++
[09:06] <highvoltage> ogra: is there anything droppable left?
[09:07] <ogra> there was the spansig lanuage-support package
[09:07] <ogra> but we apparently only need the language-pack packages
[09:07] <ogra> i'm currently shuffluing them around until it fits
[09:08] <ogra> *spanish
[09:08] <ogra> the good thing is that *our* artwork is solved :)
[09:08] <cbx33> :D
[09:09] <ogra> dholbach has a really bad/busy time atm
[09:09] <LaserJock> I can imagine
[09:09] <cbx33> heheh
[09:09] <LaserJock> I had a talk with my advisor yesterday about Edubuntu and our department computer lab
[09:10] <cbx33> oooh
[09:10] <cbx33> LaserJock, good news?
[09:10] <LaserJock> he said that perhaps a server computer will be available in the department soonish
[09:10] <LaserJock> but he has lots of questions
[09:10] <cbx33> ooooh nice
[09:11] <LaserJock> and since I've never done LTSP before I'm really not sure how to answer some of them
[09:11] <cbx33> LaserJock, like what?
[09:11] <LaserJock> it is kinda hard because I feel like I need a computer lab to test LTSP in order for them to swith the computer lab
[09:12] <LaserJock> kind of a circular issue
[09:12] <ogra> two laptops and a crossover cable :)
[09:12] <LaserJock> well, you can leave the hard drive and PXE boot right? so all I'd need is an Edubuntu server?
[09:13] <LaserJock> anyway, the sys admin has a spare box he said he was going to play with Edubuntu on
[09:13] <ogra> yep
[09:14] <LaserJock> ok, so the hardware of the thin client doesn't matter?
[09:14] <ogra> we
[09:14] <cbx33> LaserJock, what network is it at the moment?
[09:14] <ogra> well, you should match the minimal requirements
[09:14] <LaserJock> but we have 2 different types of computers, does that matter?
[09:15] <ogra> nope
[09:15] <LaserJock> what I'm wondering is, are is anything actually run on the client so that it would need drivers for instance?
[09:15] <ogra> ltsp will autodetect them
[09:16] <highvoltage> if it's different architechtures, it will make a difference.
[09:16] <ogra> yes
[09:16] <LaserJock> so arch, just different motherboards, video cards, etc.
[09:16] <cbx33> LaserJock, we're running out LTSP TEST server off of a laptop
[09:16] <LaserJock> s/so/same/
[09:17] <LaserJock> ok, so another issue is going to be opengl
[09:18] <ogra> GL is an issue, different boards arent
[09:18] <cbx33> what network do you have at the moment?
[09:18] <cbx33> windows/unix/linux?
[09:18] <ogra> ltsp uses very much the liveCD HW detection, so if you manage to boot ubuntu live, it will work with ltsp as well
[09:18] <LaserJock> cbx33: windows
[09:18] <LaserJock> cbx33: about 10 of them I think
[09:18] <cbx33> LaserJock, well if you wanted you could run dual boot for a while
[09:18] <LaserJock> ogra: ahhh, ok
[09:19] <cbx33> with the windows DHCP server still server ip addresses
[09:19] <LaserJock> cbx33: I think I'd have to anyway, unfortunately I doubt I can get rid of Windows altogether
[09:20] <cbx33> well, remember I have docs on that setup
[09:20] <LaserJock> we have too much stupid proprietary, Windows-only software the people rarely use but we have to justify the licenses I suppose :(
[09:21] <highvoltage> LaserJock: don't get me started on proprietary software with stupid licenses
[09:21] <highvoltage> :)
[09:21] <LaserJock> highvoltage: well we have at least one that has a parallel port key
[09:22] <LaserJock> and another that you have to go to the library and check out the cds in order to run
[09:23] <cbx33> me neither
[09:23] <LaserJock> anyway, if I can overcome the opengl problem then I think I'd have a reasonable chance of getting somewhere
[09:23] <cbx33> we're going to spend 4500 on some software to register kids every lesson
[09:23] <blue-frog> will dapper beburned ok on a 700MB disk overburned?
[09:23] <cbx33> and then over 2300 every year support
[09:24] <cbx33> I offered to make a solution for them for free
[09:24] <LaserJock> my idea is to have and edubuntu server that the faculty can use for labs and then have Ubuntu cds available for students to take home so they can have the same software at home
[09:24] <cbx33> but they wanted to spend 7000
[09:24] <cbx33> LaserJock, that's a great idea
[09:25] <LaserJock> the faculty are slow to realize that students like to do homework at their dorms and not at some lab
[09:25] <cbx33> heheh
[09:25] <LaserJock> so they push prorietary software that is too expensive for students to buy and then wonder why their students don't use it
[09:25] <cbx33> or why they use illegal copies
[09:26] <cbx33> as is the case at the school
[09:26] <highvoltage> LaserJock: wha'ts a parallel port key?
[09:27] <cbx33> LaserJock, a dongle?
[09:27] <LaserJock> highvoltage: you have to stick a key into the parallel port before the software can be run
[09:27] <cbx33> highvoltage, hardware copy protection
[09:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: can't be that, i don't have something that i call a dongle
[09:27] <cbx33> heheh
[09:27] <highvoltage> (me had to phrase that very carefully)
[09:27] <cbx33> I'm sure you did
[09:27] <blue-frog> dongle it is yes
[09:27] <highvoltage> oh, no, then we don't have that in common :)
[09:28] <cbx33> so are we still having an informal meeting tomorrow 12 and not one in the evening
[09:28] <highvoltage> LaserJock: sorry, i misunderstood you originally
[09:28] <LaserJock> highvoltage: we call it a hardware key usually ;-)
[09:28] <LaserJock> cbx33: ?
[09:29] <cbx33> nn highvoltage
[09:29] <cbx33> anything I can do?
[09:29] <highvoltage> goodnight cbx33
[09:29] <cbx33> are you ok with me putting ESA into drupal
[09:29] <LaserJock> cya highvoltage
[09:29] <cbx33> tonight
[09:29] <highvoltage> cya LaserJock
[09:29] <cbx33> I won;t publish till you have seen it
[09:29] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep, cool. do that. put it up, but don't publish yet.
[09:29] <cbx33> of course not
[09:29] <cbx33> :p
[09:32] <cbx33> LaserJock, do you know if anyone has looked at my getting started mail on the ML yet?
[09:33] <LaserJock> cbx33: hmm, not sure, I've  been kind of out of it lately trying to keep track of all my projects and research, etc.
[09:33] <cbx33> ok sorry
[09:33] <cbx33> Burgwork ?
[09:35] <cbx33> bbl guys
[09:43] <lucasvo> cbx33: http://pastebin.com/733605
[09:45] <Burgwork> cbx33, hmm?
[09:47] <LaserJock> Burgwork: he wanted to know if anybody had looked at his latest email on the doc ML
[09:48] <Burgwork> hmm, which one was that?
[09:48] <Burgwork> ah, yep, I see it
[09:51] <LaserJock> can all the thin clients use the same account?
[09:55] <blue-frog> technically yes
[10:40] <bluefrog-10> is installing workstation on a laptop aawfully long? got a black screen at the moment but the HDD is still working apparently and the CD as well
[10:41] <bluefrog-10> have two fixed rectangular cursor on my black screen
[10:41] <LaserJock> hmm, that doesn't sound good :/
[10:41] <bluefrog-10> yes meanwhile my first install choosing the server choice went good in just a few minutes
[10:56] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, can you give me a hand with a freenode matter?
[10:57] <HedgeMage> sure, drop me a /msg so I can keep track of it :)
[11:12] <cbx33> lucasvo, that's excellent news :p
[11:12] <cbx33> hopefully we'll be able to access your site soon
[11:13] <cbx33> Burgwork, did my doc look ok?
[11:13] <HedgeMage> okay, if/when TT naps today, I'm going to grab a shower and dedicate whatever time is left to cookbook
[11:13] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, have you tried switching to a different console
[11:14] <cbx33> HedgeMage, remember me for proofing
[11:14] <bluefrog-10> no didn't think of it as I am helping some guys on french ubuntu. have rebooted and trying again after having veriffied the cd
[11:14] <cbx33> I have a little bit more time now ESA is out of the way
[11:14] <HedgeMage> cbx33: will do, thanks :)
[11:14] <cbx33> well, I say out of the way
[11:14] <cbx33> I still have to mock it up in scribus
[11:14] <bluefrog-10> right now select and install software as before 35%, lately the problem occured a bit after so am waiting to see
[11:14] <cbx33> which is annyoing me a little since it doesn' handle transparency in pngs
[11:15] <cbx33> ok
[11:15] <cbx33> try watching on console4 when it gets near that point again
[11:17] <LaserJock> cbx33: are you ok with the changes I made with the apps section in ESA?
[11:18] <cbx33> yeh totally
[11:18] <cbx33> they look great
[11:18] <LaserJock> ok cool
[11:18] <cbx33> ogra, did you see the post on the ML about LTSP chroot build failing
[11:18] <cbx33> he mentions it's on an OLD piece of hardware
[11:19] <cbx33> did you say the time problem is fixed now, havn't read through fully thought I'd mention it
[11:19] <LaserJock> cbx33: question. is each thin client instance a seperate chroot on the server?
[11:19] <cbx33> no
[11:20] <cbx33> LaserJock, the LTSP works basically like terminal server on windows, hence the name
[11:20] <cbx33> in essence the chroot is just a very small install that just loads an SSH connection and X server session to talk to the main server
[11:20] <LaserJock> I'm afraid I've never done anything like this before :/
[11:20] <cbx33> you then log into the main server essentially over an SSH link
[11:21] <cbx33> if you get my drift
[11:21] <LaserJock> ahh, ok that makes more sense
[11:21] <cbx33> all the chroot does is do all the HW detection for the clients
[11:21] <cbx33> and setup the X SSH session
[11:21] <cbx33> after that you are using the normal install on the server for all the programs etc
[11:22] <LaserJock> ok, I use VNC a fair bit, it would be similar to that I suppose
[11:22] <cbx33> yes indeed
[11:23] <cbx33> it's a litle different in that it uses ldm to present a login screen
[11:23] <cbx33> but the back end of that is SSH to the server
[11:23] <bluefrog-10> cbx33, same thing I managed to see at what point.. around 59% black screen, all consoles are frozen
[11:23] <LaserJock> so how do you keep people from screwing up your server?
[11:24] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, did you try the special kernel debug keys
[11:24] <cbx33> LaserJock, good question
[11:24] <bluefrog-10> cbx33, no as I don't know what they are
[11:25] <bluefrog-10> oh it's a choice at boot?
[11:25] <cbx33> no
[11:25] <bluefrog-10> ah
[11:25] <cbx33> search the wiki for debugging a crash
[11:25] <cbx33> it's to do with the SysReq key
[11:25] <cbx33> and Alt
[11:25] <cbx33> and T
[11:25] <cbx33> Alt+SysReq+T
[11:25] <cbx33> IIRC
[11:28] <cbx33> Burgwork, now that was odd :p
[11:28] <HedgeMage> cbx33: he's setting up some stuff on another chan
[11:29] <cbx33> ah :p
[11:29] <Burgwork> cbx33, just took control of #ubuntu-ca, so I need to fix that
[11:30] <cbx33> hehe
[11:30] <cbx33> HedgeMage, i lost me password to an old nick that I had.  Any chance I can get it back?
[11:31] <HedgeMage> if it can be done, I'll do it :)
[11:31] <HedgeMage> just drop me a /msg
[11:41] <bluefrog-10> cbx33, from what i understand the keys may give you a chance when it's crash on a running system not during install, anyway tried them with no luck
[11:41] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, well in essence it is a running system
[11:41] <cbx33> but I'm guessing it didn't work
[11:50] <bluefrog-10> fn keys not working on vaio laptop
[11:51] <cbx33> :(
[11:51] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, submitted bug?
[11:51] <bluefrog-10> done it 3 or 4 months ago..
[11:52] <cbx33> :(
[11:52] <bluefrog-10> am trying to install from livecd to see if i have same problem
[11:52] <cbx33> sorry bluefrog-10 if I was skilled in that area I'd fix it for you
[11:52] <cbx33> ok
[11:53] <cbx33> i would think you probably would
[11:53] <cbx33> but i'll keep my fingers crossed
[11:53] <bluefrog-10> no problem I don' t really care about them it's just i tried desperately to lower the sound when launching gcompris :)
[11:53] <bluefrog-10> hoping it would work now :)
[11:58] <bluefrog-10> the graphical install from livecd is very nice, making me sweat but very nice :)
[11:59] <bluefrog-10> it's stuck at 0% of resizing partition when it's not supposed to resize anything :)
[12:15] <HedgeMage> eek!
[12:17] <HedgeMage> that would make me nervous, too
[12:18] <bluefrog-10> well 20 minutes after am still on it
[12:18] <bluefrog-10> cd running from time to time
[12:18] <bluefrog-10> HDD blinking
[12:18] <bluefrog-10> woops
[12:18] <bluefrog-10> went thru in a split second right now
[12:19] <bluefrog-10> clicked on install..
[12:19] <cbx33> hehe
[12:20] <bluefrog-10> what i don't like though is the fact it's saing creating bla bla in partition number 3..
[12:20] <bluefrog-10> instead of /dev/hda8
[12:21] <bluefrog-10> not deadly but makes me frown :)
[12:23] <bluefrog-10> I like the ETA
[12:26] <cbx33> hi Bluekuja
[12:26] <Bluekuja> oooh pete
[12:26] <Bluekuja> :)
[12:26] <Bluekuja> how much time man?
[12:26] <cbx33> a whiley?
[12:26] <cbx33> while y?
[12:27] <cbx33> brb
[12:27] <Bluekuja> oki ping me when you return
[12:28] <HedgeMage> hi Bluekuja
[12:30] <Bluekuja> hello HedgeMage :)
[12:30] <Bluekuja> how are you?
[12:30] <HedgeMage> okay, just running behind on some things
[12:30] <Bluekuja> oh irc stuff?
[12:31] <Bluekuja> or something related to your life?
[12:32] <HedgeMage> little of all of the above
[12:37] <Bluekuja> oh oki, i hope you'll get out from that
[12:37] <Bluekuja> ;)
[12:40] <HedgeMage> :) working on it!
[12:40] <Bluekuja> good luck then
[12:40] <bluefrog-10> cool reboot is working normally compared to breezy on my laptop
[12:40] <bluefrog-10> what I don't understand is the grub menu
[12:40] <Bluekuja> bluefrog-10: what are you talking about?
[12:41] <bluefrog-10> have kernel 2.6.15 and ubuntu 6.06 LTS
[12:41] <Bluekuja> oh you're testing
[12:41] <bluefrog-10> what's the difference
[12:41] <bluefrog-10> yes
[12:43] <bluefrog-10> well i understand one difference when I choose ubuntu 6.06 LTS I can't log in. it rejects my user and/or my password
[12:44] <cbx33> ping Bluekuja
[12:44] <Bluekuja> oi pete
[12:45] <bluefrog-10> cbx33, can you have a quick look at what i just wrote above pls?
[12:45] <cbx33> what about it?
[12:46] <bluefrog-10> at grub menu at boot have kernel 2.6.15 and ubuntu 6.06 LTS what's the difference?
[12:46] <bluefrog-10> after an install from livecd
[12:46] <cbx33> hmmm
[12:46] <bluefrog-10> which took awfully long but worked
[12:46] <cbx33> not sure tried them both?
[12:46] <cbx33> ah
[12:46] <cbx33> ok
[12:46] <cbx33> hmm....not sure tbh
[12:47] <bluefrog-10> kernel blaba let's me log in, ubuntu not
[12:47] <cbx33> it's not the LTSP boot is it?
[12:47] <cbx33> which means it'd be looking for an LTSP server
[12:47] <bluefrog-10> ubnut lts choice doesn't let me log in
[12:47] <bluefrog-10> ah ok
[12:47] <bluefrog-10> huh?
[12:47] <bluefrog-10> looking for a server?
[12:49] <bluefrog-10> you mean complete workstation but looking to get it's authentication from a ldap like server?
[12:49] <bluefrog-10> while kernel 2.6.15 choice is an ltsp server?
[12:52] <bluefrog-10> cbx33, no it's not an lts boot, i don't have any ltsp server running
[12:53] <cbx33> no
[12:53] <cbx33> but it may be an option
[12:53] <bluefrog-10> hum why is there a bit torrent tracker activated btw?
[12:53] <bluefrog-10> just saw it stopping down when I was shutting down pc
[12:55] <bluefrog-10> well am gonna hit the sac..I'll be here tomorrow to ask about those two choices in grub, ty
[12:55] <cbx33> nn bluefrog-10
[12:55] <cbx33> you still around Bluekuja
[12:55] <bluefrog-10> and about bit torrent :)
[12:55] <Bluekuja> cbx33: yep
[12:55] <cbx33> np bluefrog-10
[12:55] <cbx33> howz it going
[12:55] <cbx33> havn't seen you in a while
[12:55] <bluefrog-10> so for a quick briefing, dapper install failed twice
[12:56] <Bluekuja> yeah, I'm working  a lot on packages
[12:56] <bluefrog-10> install from dapper live went good but long
[12:56] <Bluekuja> both debian and rpm
[12:56] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, if you can identify where it would be good
[12:56] <cbx33> Bluekuja, for gnome?
[12:56] <cbx33> packaging?
[12:57] <Bluekuja> well i packaged some gnome programs too, but i'm working on 3 packages for Debian (Ctorrent, gtorrent-viewer, v2strip) and 2 rpm for fedora (ctorrent,v2strip)
[12:57] <cbx33> ah cool
[12:58] <Bluekuja> i'm working with a debian developer for deb packages
[12:58] <cbx33> cool
[12:58] <Bluekuja> yeah, it is. I've also read a lot of guides,howtos and so on in the last 3 weeks
[12:59] <cbx33> nice
[12:59] <Bluekuja> and then a lot of practice
[12:59] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: incuding the Ubuntu Packaging Guide?
[12:59] <cbx33> LaserJock, now that doc rocks....
[12:59] <cbx33> who wrote that again ? :p
[12:59] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: yes you suggested me to read it some days ago
[12:59] <LaserJock> some idiot from ubuntu-doc I think
[01:00] <cbx33> i heard he's pretty darn good
[01:00] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: and so i followed your suggestion
[01:00] <Bluekuja> yeah, its a really nice guide
[01:00] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: I just wondered if you actually read it ;-)
[01:00] <HedgeMage> lol
[01:00] <cbx33> several times :p
[01:00] <Bluekuja> in fact it's one of the best guides i've found in the web
[01:01] <LaserJock> great, Ubuntu community strikes again :-)
[01:01] <Bluekuja> i want to say Great work to the writer but i dont know who is he :p
[01:01] <Bluekuja> hehe jk
[01:02] <cbx33> right I'm off to bed
[01:02] <cbx33> nn #edubuntu
[01:02] <HedgeMage> night night cbx33
[01:02] <Bluekuja> anyway very nice work jordan, you have done a great thing
[01:02] <Bluekuja> cya pete :)
[01:02] <LaserJock> cya cbx33
[01:03] <cbx33> nn all
[01:03] <cbx33> LaserJock, know who would get that getting started doc into the repo
[01:03] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: for how much time have you worked on it?
[01:03] <LaserJock> cbx33: I guess I can ask mdke real quick and then commit it
[01:04] <cbx33> nah it;s fine
[01:04] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: lots and lots :-)
[01:04] <cbx33> when you get a second
[01:04] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: I spent ~ 10 hrs a day for 3 days to finish it
[01:04] <LaserJock> right before the doc freeze
[01:04] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: well it's a complete guide in every part
[01:04] <LaserJock> well, there is a lot more to be done
[01:04] <cbx33> nn guys
[01:05] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: yeah, but anyway what is ready now is great
[01:05] <LaserJock> I'm pretty excited about what we can do with the Edgy version
[01:05] <cbx33> me too
[01:05] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: thank you
[01:05] <LaserJock> I'm glad it helped
[01:05] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: np :)
[01:06] <Bluekuja> yeah, it explains things in a linear way, easy to understand
[01:06] <Bluekuja> so you can read it thousand times
[01:06] <Bluekuja> without get bored
[01:06] <Bluekuja> hehe ;)
[01:09] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: did you read the Debian New Maintainers Guide?
[01:09] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: of course
[01:09] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: also packaging library files
[01:09] <Bluekuja> guide
[01:10] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: did you find the Ubuntu guide better/easier, honestly?
[01:12] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: well in Debian new main guide there are more points covered like debian/* files explanation and so on, anyway Ubuntu Guide is easier to understand and apply
[01:12] <Bluekuja> of course, as you said before, its not complete
[01:13] <Bluekuja> so maybe in the future when it'll cover more points ,it 'll be perfect
[01:13] <Bluekuja> what do you think?
[01:13] <LaserJock> ok, cool. that is what I was thinking as well
[01:13] <LaserJock> I just didn't have enough time to cover all the topics I wanted to
[01:14] <LaserJock> as long as what's there seems good, it will be pretty easy to add a lot more material for Edgy
[01:15] <Bluekuja> yeah, exactly. I think that with Edgy release there will be more news from Ubuntu packaging guide side
[01:15] <Bluekuja> if you need an hand, just ask
[01:15] <LaserJock> specifically, I want to add more on patch systems and making patches, more CDBS, and more actual examples
[01:15] <Bluekuja> yeah, right. Examples are important
[01:16] <Bluekuja> so add how many examples you can
[01:16] <LaserJock> yeah, the problem is getting examples that stay current during the whole release
[01:17] <LaserJock> that is why I chose the hello packages
[01:18] <Bluekuja> oh oki, have you ever taken a look to library packaging guide?
[01:19] <LaserJock> not a lot
[01:19] <LaserJock> do you have the URL handy?
[01:19] <crimsun> http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html comes to mind.
[01:20] <Bluekuja> exactly crimsum
[01:20] <Bluekuja> :)
[01:20] <crimsun> the DD should be familiar already (i.e., pbuilder)
[01:20] <LaserJock> crimsun: comes to mind?
[01:20] <crimsun> LaserJock: ?
[01:21] <LaserJock> that url comes to mind? that's a pretty good memory
[01:21] <crimsun> it's bookmarked.
[01:22] <crimsun> I do have a ridiculous knack for uris, though.
[01:23] <LaserJock> my problem is that I use way too many computers so I have different bookmarks on different computers in different browsers
[01:23] <crimsun> there are quite a few solutions to that.
[01:23] <crimsun> yahoo has their own Web 2.0 or whatever that tracks bookmarks on your personalised site
[01:24] <crimsun> I'd be surprised if Google didn't have something similar
[01:25] <LaserJock> hmm, I'll have to try that out
[01:26] <crimsun> something else to try is http://www2.cali.org/scuttle/about.php
[01:26] <LaserJock> I really need a way of tracking things, pieces of paper all over my desk isn't really cutting it
[01:26] <crimsun> I'm attempting to find my former co-worker's online bookmark manager at UMN, but her url escapes me atm
[01:27] <crimsun> you don't happen to use beagle, do you?
[01:27] <LaserJock> no
[01:28] <crimsun> (neither do I, but it probably hooks into this somehow)
[01:28] <LaserJock> since I'm hardly ever actually *at* an Ubuntu box
[01:29] <LaserJock> I've done a personal wiki before, but it is hard to make something that I can access for anywhere
[01:29] <crimsun> well, you mentioned wanting to learn Python further. Here ya go: http://pyxml.sourceforge.net/topics/xbel/
[01:30] <LaserJock> hehe, cool
[01:33] <LaserJock> crimsun: I guess what I really need is my own server :-)
[01:33] <crimsun> that's a bit overkill, really
[01:34] <LaserJock> actually, if I had my own wiki space I'd probably be fairly content, as it is I have info spread over ~ 6 computers that may or may not be accessible at any given time
[01:35] <crimsun> ...you do have your own wiki space
[01:36] <crimsun> you could easily delegate underneath wiki.u.c/$you
[01:36] <LaserJock> yeah, but I hate doing that. anyway, I'm getting us waaay OT
[01:48] <Bluekuja> cya LaserJock, cya crimsum
[01:48] <Bluekuja> I've to go
[01:48] <Bluekuja> see you tomorrow, goodnight
[01:50] <LaserJock> cya Bluekuja
[02:10] <jsgotangco> good morning
[02:11] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco
[04:12] <jsgotangco> amd64 workstation check
[04:13] <LaserJock> cool
[04:18] <LaserJock> I'm going to try out ogra's rsyncer.sh on i386 live
[04:19] <jsgotangco> yeah that script is pretty neat
[04:20] <LaserJock> I think rsyncing of iso should be better advertised
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i will give ogra my patch later
[06:10] <LaserJock> yeah, I got the i386 live up
[06:11] <LaserJock> ohhh, the gnome splash screen is nice
[06:11] <LaserJock> why couldn't they have made the background that color :/
[06:16] <jsgotangco> the green one that is a bit luminous?
[06:17] <LaserJock> kinda aquamarine or something
[06:17] <jsgotangco> yeah that's cool
[06:19] <LaserJock> hmm, it isn't so fast on my 1.3GHz P4 with 256MB RAM
[06:20] <crimsun> note the significance of RAM.
[06:22] <LaserJock> yep, I should try it on my 2.1GHz AMD with 1 GB of RAM
[06:22] <crimsun> you guys make me sick :p
[06:22] <Laser_away> crimsun: why?
[06:22] <crimsun> (hardware)
[06:23] <Laser_away> well, most of it is lab computers
[06:23] <crimsun> heh, our labs are P2 300s
[06:23] <Laser_away> I've got 1 desktop and 1 laptop for the wife
[06:23] <Laser_away> crimsun: we have 4 intel iMacs and a 2.6GHz P4 for data collection ;-)
[06:24] <crimsun> heh
[06:24] <Laser_away> anyway, good night
[06:24] <jsgotangco> night
[06:24] <jsgotangco> wished i had a mac
[06:24] <crimsun> 'night lj
[06:58] <cbx33> moorrniinng
[07:05] <Laser_away> jsgotangco: it isn't always so nice. it has taken some time for a lot of the software to have x86 versions
[07:07] <crimsun> (aren't you supposed to be asleep?)
[07:07] <HedgeMage> yes.
[07:07] <Laser_away> crimsun: on my way ;-) just got home from school
[07:08] <crimsun> I definitely am, so I suppose this is going on my fifth day without sleep.
[07:08] <HedgeMage> lol thought you meant me
[07:08] <HedgeMage> it seems sleeplessness is a trend around here
[07:08] <Laser_away> yikes, I have to have 8 hrs a day. I don't think I'll make professor
[07:09] <crimsun> it's easy to have a consistent schedule when you don't have six million things to attend to
[07:09] <crimsun> it's easy to get 8hrs of sleep even when you do; you just blow off some stuff :-)
[07:09] <HedgeMage> lol
[07:22] <Laser_away> crimsun: the more I see what my advisor has to do on a daily basis the less I'm inclined to go into academia
[07:22] <cbx33> Laser_away, heheh
[07:23] <crimsun> trust me, it blows. /'scuse the language.
[07:23] <cbx33> just so that I could be at the cutting edge, and teach people at the same time
[07:23] <crimsun> the sole redeeming thing about it is the flexibility of the hours
[07:24] <crimsun> granted, when you're up at 5 AM not of your free will, it doesn't seem to be very flexible...
[07:30] <jsgotangco> back
[07:30] <jsgotangco> i just sleep all day on weekends
[07:30] <jsgotangco> just to make up
[07:31] <jsgotangco> (especially sunday)
[07:31] <cbx33> my wife would kill me f I did that
[07:31] <cbx33> :p
[07:31] <cbx33> plus it's an opportunity for extra linux time
[07:31] <cbx33> :p
[07:31] <jsgotangco> heh my work is already linux related
[07:33] <jsgotangco> (although very little of it is developmental in nature)
[08:41] <cbx33> wow small crowd :p
[08:41] <cbx33> if I want to upgrade a breezy box to dapper, do I just edit the sources.list file ala breezy/dapper and run apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[08:44] <jsgotangco> cbx33: gksu update-manager -d
[08:44] <jsgotangco> if you want it graphical :)
[08:44] <cbx33> ok cool
[08:44] <cbx33> did my update make it into the repo yet?
[08:45] <jsgotangco> http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=14
[08:45] <cbx33> k np
[08:45] <cbx33> sorry jsgotangco
[08:47] <cbx33> hat's great but I don't have an Upgrade button
[08:47] <cbx33> hi HedgeMage
[08:49] <bimberi> !upgrade
[08:49] <ubotu> from memory, upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[08:49] <bimberi> cbx33: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[08:50] <HedgeMage> hi there :)
[08:50] <jsgotangco> cbx33: make sure your breezy is updated, u-m has a patch for that so that when you gksu the new version should appear and ask you if you want to upgrade
[08:51] <cbx33> ok, only updates I see atm are for dia and mysql, but hang tight and I'll just run the update again
[08:51] <bimberi> hi HedgeMage, jsgotangco, cbx33, ... :)
[08:52] <cbx33> nope still no upgrade button
[08:52] <HedgeMage> hi bimberi
[08:52] <cbx33> gksu-run: :0.0gksu-run: da60428046fe0d9c5fa11f4d6a29f12d/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:17: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet
[08:57] <bimberi> hmmk - i'll try my breezy boot - brb
[09:12] <bimberi> cbx33: i get that warning message too but it's working here (the button appears) - does 'lsb_release -a' say you have breezy?
[09:13] <cbx33> LSB Version:    n/aDistributor ID: UbuntuDescription:    Ubuntu (The Breezy Badger Release)Release:        5.10Codename:       breezy
[09:13] <bimberi> hmmk :/
[09:13] <cbx33> whoops
[09:14] <cbx33> grrrr not online
[09:14] <bimberi> :)
[09:14] <bimberi> that's it - go straight to the top :)
[09:15] <cbx33> except mvo isn't online
[09:15] <cbx33> :S
[09:17] <bimberi> cbx33: https://launchpad.net/people/mvo has other contact details
[09:17] <cbx33> true
[09:18] <cbx33> dholbach said he'd be around in a while
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, you got accpeted?
[09:36] <Amaranth> yep
[09:36] <Burgundavia> sweet
[09:36] <bimberi> \o/
[09:36] <Burgundavia> you see taht vista is going to ship with parental controls right there?
[09:38] <Amaranth> ?
[09:41] <Burgundavia> just a sec
[09:42] <Burgundavia> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic26334.html
[09:42] <Burgundavia> what that doesn't show is timebased restrictions
[09:48] <cbx33> !seen highvoltage
[09:48] <ubotu> highvoltage <n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 12h 19m 6s ago, saying: 'cya LaserJock '.
[10:03] <jsgotangco> hmm no rsync result...do i smell edubuntu RC?
[12:20] <ogra> jsgotangco, not really
[12:20] <jsgotangco> ogra: ive been testing today, so far no issue
[12:20] <ogra> seems i386 live is ok now but powerpc broke alongside
[12:20] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[12:20] <jsgotangco> (amd64 that is)
[12:21] <ogra> he just added all fonts that are used in ubuntu to our cd
[12:21] <ogra> err
[12:21] <ogra> s/fonts/lnags
[12:21] <ogra> *langs
[12:23] <cbx33> did someone say there is a seperate iso for ubuntu server?
[12:24] <jsgotangco> ouchhh
[12:24] <jsgotangco> cbx33: yes
[12:24] <jsgotangco> plesae check cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:24] <cbx33> thanks jsgotangco
[12:24] <jsgotangco> cbx33: we don't really make regular milestone releases for ubuntu-server but we have flight 6 i believe
[12:24] <jsgotangco> aside from me i dunno anyone who tests it outside the core team
[12:24] <cbx33> ok that's fine as longas it installs
[12:26] <jsgotangco> ogra: yeah i think all the langs are now automatically uploaded
[12:27] <cbx33> one thing I have noticed, is that downloading an iso from the cdimages.ubuntu.com site breaks a lot
[12:27] <cbx33> using wget it's ok it retries
[12:27] <cbx33> but something like ff, which is what a lot of non-techie people will use doesn't
[12:28] <cbx33> JaneW: is our unofficial meeting in here today, and do you want minutes?
[12:29] <cbx33> ogra: do we have the exmaple content in edubuntu cd iso?
[12:30] <JaneW> cbx33: just some brief notes if possible
[12:30] <cbx33> ok np
[12:30] <cbx33> is it in here
[12:31] <jsgotangco> no we don't have example content if there was it would have already been symlinked to home
[12:31] <cbx33> ok cool was just gonna say that package is massive
[12:32] <spacey> ah
[12:32] <spacey> meeting soon
[12:32] <cbx33> well 1.5 hours I believe :p
[12:32] <spacey> ill try not to forget
[12:32] <spacey> mad busy
[12:32] <jsgotangco> i need to go home then
[12:32] <cbx33> spacey: i know the feeling
[12:32] <spacey> but i do have some cool news,
[12:33] <spacey> at least it think its cool if its really gonna happen
[12:33] <spacey> i'll save it up for the meeting
[12:33] <jsgotangco> on what?
[12:33] <spacey> =P
[12:33] <ogra> cbx33, you are joking, right ?
[12:33] <ogra> example-content is >10MB
[12:34] <ogra> (probably even >20MB i didnt look for a while) :)
[12:35] <jsgotangco> jeezz seems we're really struggling for space...
[12:35] <jsgotangco> by the kb...
[12:35] <ogra> i'll dropp some essential stuff now ;)
[12:35] <cbx33> ogra: i was joking
[12:35] <cbx33> i just saw it pop up on my dapper upgrade
[12:35] <jsgotangco> are you removing build-essential from the cd?
[12:36] <ogra> from the livecd
[12:36] <jsgotangco> ahh yes
[12:36] <ogra> hmm
[12:37] <cbx33> it sux that everyone isn't using DVDs now
[12:37] <blue-frog> hi
[12:37] <jsgotangco> even if they do, it'll take a while to grab a dvd image
[12:38] <ogra> gah
[12:38] <blue-frog> question to ogra about install from livecd
[12:38] <cbx33> jsgotangco: until the Net 2 comes out :p
[12:38] <cbx33> hahahaha
[12:38] <ogra> we dont have it yet ... noting to drop :/
[12:38] <cbx33> blue-frog: shoot
[12:38] <ogra> (build-essential that is)
[12:38] <ogra> blue-frog, go for it
[12:38] <blue-frog> gives me 2 choices at grub.. ubuntu kernel 2.6.15 AND ubuntu 6.06 LTS
[12:39] <blue-frog> first one let's me log in
[12:39] <blue-frog> second one ignoers either my user and/or my password
[12:39] <jsgotangco> gee
[12:39] <blue-frog> what's the difference between the 2 choices?
[12:39] <ogra> was there a install on the machine before you used the liveCD for installation ?
[12:39] <blue-frog> xp and breezy install
[12:39] <ogra> (you should only have one option)
[12:40] <cbx33> but I can't remember where
[12:40] <blue-frog> made a server install from edubuntu cd as well but on hda8 where i installed from livecd and formated hda8
[12:40] <cbx33> what does the grub conf say
[12:40] <blue-frog> i still have xp and breezy options as well of course..
[12:41] <blue-frog> grub.conf where do I find that?
[12:41] <cbx33>  /boot/grub/menu.1st
[12:41] <cbx33> i think
[12:41] <blue-frog> going to log in using the kernel 2.6.15 option
[12:41] <cbx33> unless it's changed.....
[12:41] <cbx33> then put the result in a pastebin
[12:41] <blue-frog> oh menu lst ok hang on booting
[12:42] <blue-frog> ok stop got it
[12:42] <cbx33> :p
[12:42] <blue-frog> kernel 2.6.15 is on hda3
[12:42] <blue-frog> now I am not happy about that because...
[12:42] <blue-frog> from the live cd install I chose (almost sure but am going to do another install in few minutes
[12:43] <ogra> blue-frog, the "server" install willl be dropped during this week, no need to test that
[12:43] <blue-frog> was not really testing
[12:43] <blue-frog> was surprised to see workstation AND server
[12:43] <blue-frog> so I took server at first
[12:44] <blue-frog> but i erased it right after installation
[12:44] <jsgotangco> dinner brb
[12:44] <jsgotangco> see ya at the meeting then
[12:45] <blue-frog> so from livecd install I chose hda8 to install but then the installer was talking to me about installing on partiton number 3, I recall that I was surprised to see that yesterday night
[12:45] <cbx33> blue-frog: i remember you saying that
[12:46] <blue-frog> am going to boot on breezy format hda8 AND hda3 then will do another install from livecd
[12:46] <blue-frog> btw install ffrom dapper-install-i386 hangs up on my sony laptop
[12:47] <ogra> blue-frog, you dont happen to run 2.6.15 on your breezy install ?
[12:47] <blue-frog> while it runs from livecd (slowly but goes thru anyway
[12:47] <blue-frog> no ogra
[12:47] <blue-frog> 2.6.12 or so
[12:47] <cbx33> :p
[12:48] <blue-frog> <IP_ADDRESS> fro breezy
[12:53] <blue-frog> also ogra I have seen quickly a bit torrent tracker service stopping down yesterday, what is it about?
[12:56] <ogra> blue-frog, <Kamion> ogra: please get the user to file a coherent bug report, attaching /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:56] <blue-frog> will do after new install if still the same
[12:56] <ogra> its a bt tracker ... to speed up your torrent stuff if you do some ...
[12:56] <ogra> its there since breezy already
[12:57] <cbx33> indeed it is :D
[12:57] <blue-frog> oh never noticed it in breezy ok then
[12:57] <blue-frog> well for grub won't have duplicate stuff as am reasing hda8 AND hda#
[12:57] <blue-frog> 3
[12:58] <ogra> if it still appears, please file a bug ...
[12:58] <blue-frog> where are the system tools gone?
[12:58] <blue-frog> ok got them
[12:58] <ogra> and also please wait with reinstalls in such cases, its very important to find all hidden ubiquity bugs
[12:59] <blue-frog> ubiquity comes from me now i know as kernel 2.16.15 was on had3 and ubuntu lts was on hda8
[12:59] <blue-frog> was late yesterday so i didn't see that
[12:59] <ogra> ah,k
[01:00] <blue-frog> that's why i reinstall from livecd after erasing both hda8 and 3
[01:00] <blue-frog> which leaves me only with breezy and xp now
[01:00] <ogra> we're all just highly alerted if you find any bug in ubiquity atm ... its our most critical addition in dapper
[01:00] <blue-frog> the thing thouthg is that ubuntu lts wouldn't let me log in
[01:01] <cbx33> ogra: is there any more testing you need for ubiquity?
[01:01] <ogra> indeed
[01:01] <ogra> but not on ppc :)
[01:02] <ogra> i'll have to get that back in shape first
[01:03] <cbx33> I can't test ppc
[01:03] <cbx33> unlessyou have a machien to donate to me :p
[01:05] <ogra> i only have only one myself ...
[01:05] <ogra> (and thats even my main working machine)+
[01:05] <cbx33> heheh
[01:06] <cbx33> OMW, dapper is FASSTTT
[01:14] <spacey> ok, i'm off to my office, so im on time for the meeting, bbl
[01:27] <blue-frog> was too tired yesterday night to make the install. installing from livecd right where I told it to install... so this was my fault to have an install on hda3 insteda of 8
[01:31] <ogra> ah, k
[01:32] <blue-frog> one thing though which surprises me, yesterday night took me 45 minutes to install, right now ETA is 20 minutes... weird
[01:33] <blue-frog> on same computer of course..
[01:34] <cbx33> oh joy dave-YL is here
[01:34] <cbx33> :p
[01:34] <ogra> :)
[01:34] <cbx33> I've been giving him grief today
[01:35] <cbx33> making him think for himself
[01:35] <ogra> you evil guy :P
[01:37] <cbx33> i know I'm awful
[01:39] <blue-frog> is the ltsp server activated upon boot with the livecd?
[01:39] <ogra> there is no server stuff at all on the liveCD
[01:39] <cbx33> ltsp server isn't on the live cd is it ogra ?
[01:40] <ogra> neither ltsp nor schooltool is there
[01:40] <cbx33> i have a box I'm not allowed to open or install on.....so a live ltsp server would be great
[01:40] <blue-frog> oh ok so the edubuntu livd cd is just a "normal" workstation
[01:40] <ogra> you wouldnt have fun with it
[01:40] <cbx33> in essence yes
[01:40] <ogra> blue-frog, yep
[01:40] <cbx33> ogra: you said it was easy
[01:40] <cbx33> :p
[01:41] <blue-frog> it installs an ltsp server though, correct?
[01:41] <ogra> blue-frog, nope
[01:41] <blue-frog> :(
[01:41] <ogra> its a plain workstation liveCD
[01:41] <ogra> and only installs whats in the live session
[01:41] <ogra> (shipit wont have the liveCD btw)
[01:41] <blue-frog> rats as I can't install from the "normal"cd then..
[01:41] <cbx33> I have to find a use for this Dual processor machine with 2Gb of ram
[01:42] <cbx33> live cd is my only option :)
[01:42] <cbx33> well the only sensible option
[01:42] <ogra> blue-frog, you can install the WS veryion and add the server stuff manually later
[01:42] <ogra> its a bit manual work but works as well
[01:43] <blue-frog> afraid that i will have to do that, i will try to install on another machine the "normal" edubuntu cd to see if it hangs on me as it does on my laptop
[01:44] <JaneW> *reminder* Edubuntu informal meeting here in 15 mins
[01:45] <blue-frog> btw you told me that ther is a bit torrent tracker service running on breezy, I have not such a thing and for sure I din't uninstalled such a thing..
[01:45] <ogra> JaneW, seen my conversation with jelkner in -meeting ?
[01:45] <JaneW> no
[01:46] <JaneW> HAHA
[01:46] <ogra> :)
[01:51] <blue-frog> ok i understand the torrent thing, was ps ax | grep bit or to or tra  but it is not listed as such
[01:53] <cbx33> don;t tell dave-YL anything :p
[01:53] <cbx33> hehe
[01:53] <cbx33> I'm just kidding
[01:54] <cbx33> if he asks a good question...
[01:55] <dave-YL> can someone help me, i what to upgrade from breezy to dapper
[01:55] <ogra> blue-frog, it doesnt run unless you set up a torrent tracker to serve other people
[01:56] <blue-frog> ah ok
[01:56] <ogra> dave-YL, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[01:56] <cbx33> oh ogra :p
[01:56] <dave-YL> thank you
[01:57] <cbx33> was trying to inject a small amount of RTFM heheheh
[01:59] <JaneW> yikes I am so busy
[01:59] <JaneW> someone make time slow down!
[02:00] <blue-frog> one minor thing, the gimp and thunderbird (amongst others) are still not getting their icons from the gartoon theme, is there a place where I can read about the fetching mechanism?
[02:00] <ogra> heh
[02:00] <pips1> meeting now or in the evening?
[02:00] <JaneW> now
[02:00] <pips1> ta
[02:01] <ogra> blue-frog, they simply have no icon in gartoon and the system automatically falls back to the hicolor theme
[02:01] <blue-frog> well i can see an icon for thunder and gimp in /usr/share/icons/gratoon/sclable/apps
[02:01] <cbx33> <!---------------------------meeting notes start here------------------->
[02:02] <JaneW> ok let's do this
[02:02] <JaneW> I'd prefer to not ramble as I have a lot to sort out, so let's try to stick to the point and stay on topic ;)
[02:03] <cbx33> works for me, makes my notes easier
[02:03] <JaneW> firstly it is still not common knowledge, but I will be leaving Canonical in mid-June
[02:04] <cbx33> :(
[02:04] <JaneW> no offficial notice has gone out yet, and I have actually been ask not to circulate the news too braodly BUT
[02:04] <cbx33> I may just forget to minute that
[02:04] <JaneW> we need to plan how to hand over all my tasks
[02:04] <cbx33> JaneW: indeed
[02:04] <cbx33> what did you have in mind?
[02:04] <JaneW> and I don't want it to be too last minute and for stuff to be dropped
[02:04] <JaneW> mhz agreed to help administer the edubuntu devel lists
[02:05] <JaneW> it is not something ogra should be doing
[02:05] <JaneW> jdub has set up the edubuntu-users one AFAIK
[02:05] <JaneW> ideally I think someone should own both of those
[02:05] <cbx33> JaneW: waves
[02:05] <JaneW> there is a LOT of spam sent to e-d atm
[02:05] <JaneW> and I send a lot of time filtering that
[02:05] <JaneW> cbx33: cool, I'll add you the the admin list
[02:05] <pips1> (erm, shouldn't we be in ubuntu-meeting? I see some folks over there...)
[02:06] <cbx33> ok great
[02:06] <JaneW> cbx33: let me know what address to use
[02:06] <cbx33> ok. i think<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:06] <jsgotangco> tadaaaa
[02:06] <ogra> JaneW, i still own both MLs
[02:07] <ogra> (i'd appreciate help for -users though)
[02:07] <jsgotangco> we have edubuntu-users???
[02:07] <ogra> but i havent gotten around to set it up completely yet
[02:07] <JaneW> ogra: yes, I don't think you should get all the spam though
[02:07] <JaneW> unless you want it
[02:07] <ogra> JaneW, i want it ;) i have good filters in evo
[02:07] <JaneW> ogra: can you add cbx33 to e-u too please?
[02:07] <JaneW> and mhz
[02:08] <ogra> yep, will do if i do the final setup
[02:08] <cbx33> ta ogra
[02:08] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[02:08] <JaneW> I will stop culling the sapm from tomorrow \o/
[02:08] <JaneW> spam
[02:08] <cbx33> w00t
[02:08] <jsgotangco> how much do you get?
[02:08] <JaneW> ogra: let me know if you want me to help with setting that list up and announcing it etc
[02:08] <JaneW> LOADS
[02:08] <ogra> jsgotangco, not as much as from ubuntu-users :)
[02:08] <jsgotangco> wahahaha
[02:09] <jsgotangco> ubuntu-doc has like 100s too
[02:09] <cbx33> was it something we said :p
[02:10] <JaneW> ok so mailing lists are sorted
[02:10] <cbx33> what else?
[02:10] <JaneW> we also need people to send official announcements as appropriate
[02:10] <jsgotangco> annoucements?
[02:10] <cbx33> jsgotangco: you do some official announcements don't you?
[02:10] <JaneW> ogra normally handles the release announcements (jsgotangco helps)
[02:11] <jsgotangco> im drafting a release annoucement
[02:11] <cbx33> :D
[02:11] <jsgotangco> somewhere here...
[02:11] <jsgotangco> hmm
[02:11] <JaneW> but minutes, council decisions etc need to be scribed and posted
[02:11] <cbx33> yes
[02:11] <jsgotangco> usually ogra or JaneW announces the relesae
[02:11] <JaneW> cbx33: want to take on that role?
[02:11] <cbx33> sure
[02:11] <JaneW> you can delegate as you need to
[02:11] <JaneW> so no need to do everything yourself, just make sure it happens
[02:12] <ogra> i'm not even sure we'll have separate announcements
[02:12] <cbx33> ok great
[02:12] <cbx33> I'll discuss with ogra when he has a second
[02:12] <jsgotangco> ogra: that would be ok i guess
[02:12] <jsgotangco> whatever mdz wishes
[02:12] <jsgotangco> huh?
[02:12] <jsgotangco> did i miss something here?
[02:13] <JaneW> I want to see edubuntu girl back in october
[02:13] <JaneW> then I'll know I was loved :P
[02:13] <jsgotangco> ??????
[02:13] <ogra> jsgotangco, JaneW leaves us
[02:13] <pips1> JaneW firstly it is still not common knowledge, but I will be leaving Canonical in mid-June
[02:13] <jsgotangco> can someone give me a cluebut????
[02:13] <jsgotangco> s/cluebut/cluebat
[02:13] <jsgotangco> WHAATTTTT
[02:13] <cbx33> yup, sux though it does
[02:14] <ogra> absolutely
[02:14] <JaneW> :`(
[02:14] <jsgotangco> i dunno what to say
[02:14] <JaneW> I am seriously hoping I can come to the oct gathering to see everyone and stay involved
[02:15] <cbx33> :D
[02:15] <JaneW> maybe I can get rehired!
[02:15] <cbx33> woohoo
[02:15] <JaneW> right in the mean time did the shipit info get added to the FAQ yet?
[02:15] <JaneW> cbx33 / highvoltage ? ^^
[02:16] <JaneW> and for those that don't yet know edubuntu CDS will be available
[02:16] <cbx33> but only in quantities of 5
[02:16] <JaneW> shipit.edubuntu.com
[02:16] <cbx33> isn't that right?
[02:16] <pips1> nice one
[02:16] <JaneW> cbx33: for now
[02:16] <cbx33> .org or .com ?
[02:16] <JaneW> com
[02:16] <ogra> everybody involved in documentation, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodeNamesToVersionNumbers
[02:16] <ogra> (while we're at it)
[02:16] <cbx33> ogra: yup saw that earlier
[02:16] <flint> JaneW, Elkner reports that people are using the current homie artwork spontaneously as their desktops.  This is a good thing eh?
[02:17] <ogra> this needs to be sorted before release !!!
[02:17] <cbx33> will trawl through what I have seen
[02:17] <cbx33> and correct accordingly
[02:17] <ogra> flint, absolutely ! :)
[02:17] <cbx33> ogra: did you also want to mention about the wiki help move thing
[02:17] <cbx33> CategoryDocumentation
[02:17] <ogra> nope
[02:17] <cbx33> ok
[02:17] <JaneW> flint: yes glad to hear it
[02:18] <ogra> since i see the wiki as a more valuable doc place for us currently
[02:18] <flint> bbiam
[02:18] <ogra> there are not many docs we could move
[02:18] <JaneW> ogra: you get to send a big 'told you so' to the art work officials ;P
[02:18] <cbx33> ogra: me too, but I was told it was all moving
[02:18] <cbx33> even edubuntu stuff
[02:18] <ogra> JaneW, already tols silbs in #c ;)
[02:18] <cbx33> hehe
[02:18] <ogra> cbx33, i dont want to have all of it moved and i told Burgwork so
[02:19] <cbx33> ok excellent
[02:19] <cbx33> I had my reservations and was going to voice them to you
[02:19] <pips1> sorry: move wiki content from where to where?
[02:19] <JaneW> cbx33: highvoltage said he had already given you admin rights on the site
[02:19] <ogra> it will do no harm if it gets moved to doc.u.c, but i will kill everybody who deletes edubuntu specific stuff from the wiki
[02:19] <JaneW> is that not the case?
[02:19] <JaneW> he told me that before I sent the mail to you re the FAQ
[02:20] <cbx33> JaneW: I do have admin now, but I didn't have the content
[02:20] <ogra> (as long as we had no time to review and sort it, which wont happen before release)
[02:20] <JaneW> cbx33: in mail
[02:20] <cbx33> no, my admin rights didn't work
[02:20] <cbx33> and i didn't get mail.... :S
[02:20] <JaneW> OIC
[02:20] <cbx33> thanky
[02:20] <cbx33> will work that up asap
[02:21] <pips1> where is highvoltage ? I was busy the last weeks, but now I want to touch base with him re website... JaneW do you know if he will be available, or is he currently too busy?
[02:22] <JaneW> pips1: I am not sure
[02:22] <pips1> hmm
[02:22] <cbx33> pips1: anything i can help with?
[02:22] <JaneW> pips1: I think he was around earlier and probably will be later
[02:22] <pips1> yeah, I'll try to catch him :-)
[02:22] <cbx33> btw i know highvoltage isworking on the new css theme
[02:22] <JaneW> so is our wiki/web responsibility covered?
[02:22] <ogra> he wantet to be around occasionally today (chatting via GSM)
[02:23] <cbx33> there is a difference in the php setup between our testing servers and the official edubuntu one, so we have to create it again from scratch
[02:23] <pips1> cbx33, lets talk after this meeting
[02:23] <cbx33> np pips1
[02:24] <pips1> I mean, if there is other things that need discussion first?
[02:24] <pips1> are
[02:24] <pips1> JaneW ?
[02:24] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes, you have editor rights!!!
[02:25] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes yell at him ;)
[02:25] <cbx33> please don;t yell....
[02:25] <pips1> hey highvoltage
[02:25] <JaneW> pips1: ?
[02:25] <cbx33> :(
[02:25] <highvoltage> pips1: here briefly again now
[02:25] <JaneW> cbx33: joking...
[02:25] <cbx33> I didn't have editor rights at the time,and i never got the email ..... boo hoo
[02:25] <pips1> highvoltage, I want to touch base with you re website!
[02:25] <highvoltage> hey pips1
[02:25] <JaneW> cbx33:  I think I have too many e-mail addresses for you
[02:25] <highvoltage> pips1: okay, we'll talk later, i'll be uploading the new new theme tonight
[02:26] <JaneW> and we both had mail server issues
[02:26] <jsgotangco> ...
[02:26] <cbx33> JaneW: besides it's already been done :p
[02:26] <cbx33> we did indeed
[02:26] <pips1> highvoltage, when is a good time for you to talk?
[02:26] <highvoltage> btw, is there a meeting now? i thought it was canceled? or is this the 'informal get-together'?
[02:26] <cbx33> informal
[02:26] <cbx33> group hugging session
[02:26] <JaneW> highvoltage: between you pips1 and cbx33 are the wiki/web maintenance and update functions covered?
[02:26] <JaneW> highvoltage: the latter
[02:26] <highvoltage> pips1: good question, tonight 7PM'ish?
[02:27] <highvoltage> JaneW: on the web, that won't be a problem, since we planned launch with 6.06
[02:27] <highvoltage> JaneW: wiki will need lots of work still
[02:27] <cbx33> mhz: he has a neural interface :p
[02:27] <pips1> highvoltage, 7pm should work (need to check with my wife though :-)
[02:27] <mhz> lol
[02:27] <highvoltage> JaneW: cbx33 has been cleaning up a lot of it
[02:27] <cbx33> JaneW: I'm working on wiki when i can, new wiki front page is almost complete
[02:27] <JaneW> highvoltage: I am most concerned now that someone takes the reigns and makes sure what needs to happen does happen
[02:27] <highvoltage> JaneW: and we've got all the pages indexed, so conversion shouldn't cause to many problems
[02:28] <cbx33> I was trying to tie up LTSP pages before release
[02:28] <cbx33> and we've identified pages to be deleted
[02:28] <JaneW> I anticipate that edubuntu is going to get more focus in the next release, like kubuntu did in this one
[02:28] <highvoltage> JaneW: noted, i can let you at ease in a few hours from now, just need to sort out some stuff at work, and then i'm there
[02:28] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'll draw up a plan tonight for the web / wiki version updates
[02:28] <jsgotangco> :/
[02:28] <JaneW> and it will be important that the team is organised and functional and seen to be working well, to be given more support and allowed to advance further
[02:29] <cbx33> highvoltage: I'm happy to give my progess reports on it
[02:29] <cbx33> JaneW: yes i agree
[02:29] <highvoltage> cbx33: that would be fantastic
[02:29] <cbx33> np ;)
[02:29] <ogra> JaneW, why ?
[02:29] <JaneW> the thing is the better a community there is, the more belief there will be in it
[02:29] <ogra> JaneW, kubuntu wasnt organized either until recently :P
[02:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: sad to see you go for edubuntu, happy for you though
[02:29] <cbx33> hehe
[02:29] <JaneW> kubuntu proved itself as serious an sustainable and now it has been given more of a boost
[02:29] <cbx33> we're getting there
[02:29] <JaneW> edubuntu wil be looked at similarly
[02:30] <cbx33> and the more we can prove ourselves the more we can push it
[02:30] <ogra> yep, but they have a *lot* of users
[02:30] <ogra> we're still a niche product (and will stay one)
[02:30] <JaneW> ogra: agreed the space is a bit different, but the principle is the same
[02:30] <cbx33> no reason we ca't have a massive user base, being in education gives us the opportunity for a massive one
[02:30] <ogra> i dont think anybody will put the same expectations on us
[02:30] <cbx33> ogra: not initially
[02:30] <cbx33> I hold big hopes for edubuntu
[02:30] <JaneW> ogra: don't see it as a negative
[02:30] <ogra> even not in the future
[02:30] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: being a niche products is often a good thing
[02:31] <jsgotangco> we're still niche
[02:31] <ogra> JaneW, i dont see that as negative
[02:31] <mhz> ogra: if FET is good, then we should have at least 5 Chilean schools using edubuntu (about at least 300 users)
[02:31] <ogra> but our audience is very specific ... that wont change
[02:31] <highvoltage> i bet you there are more people currently in school (read: potential edubuntu users) than there are kurrently kubuntu users ;)
[02:31] <cbx33> highvoltage: my point exactly
[02:31] <jsgotangco> we're still niche
[02:31] <JaneW> anyway the point is I do think that if this community shows it is functional and organised it will get a boost
[02:31] <ogra> right, but its still a specific audience
[02:32] <ogra> JaneW, yep
[02:32] <highvoltage> JaneW: noted
[02:32] <cbx33> i think we're pretty well organised in structure terms...
[02:32] <JaneW> and I know there is an intention to start pushing into that market space more strongly
[02:32] <cbx33> at least everone know whos in charge of the most important things
[02:32] <highvoltage> i think there's lots of plans, it just needs to be implemented
[02:32] <ogra> cbx33, we're getting there :)
[02:32] <ogra> i'll urgently need more developer help in the future to realize all our ideas
[02:33] <JaneW> I think the cook book may be a good test of commitment and being able to see something through
[02:33] <jsgotangco> yes thats what i was about to say
[02:33] <ogra> (read packager help)
[02:33] <JaneW> yes and we need more dev help
[02:33] <JaneW> it's been much harder to attract that here because it's niche and the users are not generally devs
[02:33] <ogra> yep
[02:34] <cbx33> as ogra know my initial reason for joing ubuntu was to earn packaging
[02:34] <cbx33> learn
[02:34] <highvoltage> or the people who want to do dev work are stretched to far as it is :p
[02:34] <JaneW> ogra: can EC work with 4, or do we need to look for a 5th?
[02:34] <cbx33> so i could become motu
[02:34] <ogra> i see it improving but there is still room for MORE (to quote my boos on the phone ;) )
[02:34] <cbx33> your boos ????
[02:34] <cbx33> :p
[02:34] <JaneW> ogra: ditto :P
[02:34] <ogra> *boss
[02:34] <highvoltage> "boos" in afrikaans = "evil"
[02:34] <ogra> JaneW, yep, saw that *giggle*
[02:34] <JaneW> highvoltage: hehe same thing
[02:34] <cbx33> but i've slowly fallen back into doccing/web/wiki
[02:35] <jsgotangco> cbx33: then excel on that don't rush it
[02:35] <ogra> JaneW, EC can work with 4, will be harder to get consensus though
[02:35] <JaneW> also I have mailed the edubuntu install video guy, asking for permission to post it on our site, I'll let you know if/when he responds
[02:35] <cbx33> nice
[02:36] <JaneW> I think it helps to have that
[02:36] <ogra> JaneW, also i hope canonical wont leave me alone with that ... i expect to at least have a manager aside
[02:36] <ogra> who can take the 5th part
[02:36] <JaneW> as it can be seen how easy and non-threatening an install is
[02:36] <cbx33> hehe
[02:36] <JaneW> ogra: right
[02:36] <JaneW> ogra: ndz?
[02:36] <highvoltage> geez, yeah this will just put more pressure on ogra :(
[02:36] <JaneW> mdz I mean
[02:36] <JaneW> sorry! :/
[02:36] <ogra> JaneW, mdz taking your part ??
[02:37] <cbx33> we'll just have to help out more than ever right ogra ?
[02:37] <JaneW> yes
[02:37] <ogra> i dont think so
[02:37] <jsgotangco> he wouldnt even think of it
[02:37] <ogra> cbx33, lets see what happens, JaneW is still here :D
[02:37] <cbx33> of course :p
[02:37] <mhz> JaneW: leaving???
[02:37] <jsgotangco> naw let's push her out sooner
[02:38] <cbx33> nooooooooooooooooooooo
[02:38] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you are a meanie
[02:38] <ogra> heh
[02:39] <JaneW> ogra: edubuntu all done for next week?
[02:39] <jsgotangco> its pretty good
[02:39] <JaneW> ogra: make the homie the default install ;)
[02:39] <ogra> JaneW, apart from fighting the oversizedness
[02:39] <ogra> haha
[02:39] <JaneW> ogra: gah, still?
[02:39] <highvoltage> ogra: he is right though
[02:39] <ogra> sdilbs would kill me
[02:40] <ogra> highvoltage, i have none left ... after release ;)
[02:40] <JaneW> highvoltage: I may just have to make one for next week...
[02:40] <cbx33> w00t
[02:40] <jsgotangco> JaneW: don't worry, i will make sure dope wars and porn view get into the default for eft
[02:40] <ogra> JaneW, well, pitti added 20 languages to powerpc yesterday ... that was a bit uhmm... much :)
[02:40] <JaneW> yikes
[02:40] <jsgotangco> JaneW: not to mention make sure the nude wallpapers from warty make a comeback
[02:40] <JaneW> tell pitti to rest
[02:40] <ogra> even i'd appreciate to have xhosa on the CD :)
[02:40] <JaneW> jsgotangco: have you been drinking?
[02:41] <cbx33> I don;t think lisa would be happy about making a nude homies wallpaper :p
[02:41] <JaneW> (again)
[02:41] <JaneW> ogra: indeed
[02:41] <ogra> but i dont think thats what our major audience speaks
[02:41] <jsgotangco> JaneW: oh well *sigh*
[02:42] <ogra> cbx33, compromise ... bathing dresses ;)
[02:42] <cbx33> :
[02:42] <cbx33> :0
[02:42] <cbx33> ok....anything left on the agenda?
[02:43] <ogra> agenda ?
[02:43] <cbx33> ESA has been frozen
[02:43] <cbx33> the informal agenda :p
[02:43] <jsgotangco> really?
[02:43] <ogra> hey, its informal :)
[02:43] <cbx33> jsgotangco: yup
[02:43] <jsgotangco> did you lace it with strawberries and nuts
[02:43] <cbx33> not yet
[02:43] <cbx33> I'm leaving that for when i port it to scribus
[02:44] <JaneW> cbx33: I think the ESA is going to be very valuable
[02:44] <cbx33> currently working it up to go on the website
[02:44] <ogra> it already is :)
[02:44] <cbx33> oh yeh that's what I meant to say... highvoltage there' a problem uploading images to the website
[02:44] <JaneW> indeed
[02:44] <JaneW> oh wait
[02:44] <mhz> cbx33: ESa ready for translation?
[02:44] <JaneW> who is going to be official meeting **Reminder** person?
[02:44] <JaneW> it's a crucial job :P
[02:44] <cbx33> but , we have to decide what's going to happen with the translated versions
[02:44] <ogra> JaneW, me for now
[02:45] <cbx33> :D
[02:45] <ogra> i'm around anyway all the time :)
[02:45] <cbx33> we spoke aobut putting ESA into rosetta
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: ok, but do delegate whenever you can
[02:45] <ogra> will do
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: the more responsibility you give the more time you will have, and the more help we'll have!
[02:46] <ogra> JaneW, yep, but thats really a trivial job and i have to be around in the meetings :)
[02:46] <JaneW> ogra: sure
[02:46] <jsgotangco> mhz: try it in spanish
[02:46] <JaneW> also don;t forget reminding the fridge folk about calendar changes
[02:46] <ogra> mhz, <cbx33> we spoke aobut putting ESA into rosetta
[02:46] <mhz> jsgotangco: hehehe
[02:46] <JaneW> for instance I forgot to ask them to remove this one
[02:46] <ogra> you had at least one answer
[02:46] <ogra> :)
[02:46] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you ok? You seem annoyed
[02:47] <jsgotangco> :/
[02:47] <mhz> ogra: thx.. that was quick... for a moment I thought I was having more ISP probs.
[02:47] <jsgotangco> JaneW: a cluebat would be nice
[02:47] <JaneW> I'll be watching edubuntu climbing the distrowatch charts
[02:47] <ogra> mhz, and yes JaneW is leaving (to answer the other one)
[02:47] <cbx33> you bet
[02:48] <mhz> ogra: sniff :/
[02:48] <ogra> yep
[02:48] <ogra> :(((((
[02:48] <JaneW> it's doing great already and 6.06 hasn't even released
[02:48] <cbx33> i know
[02:48] <cbx33> we're making an impact
[02:49] <JaneW> this time next year edubuntu in all schools!
[02:49] <cbx33> it's here already :p
[02:49] <mhz> JaneW: not fair... we need at least one woman... a diff prespective is essential among geeks :)  And  we only have an edubuntu girl
[02:49] <cbx33> youthlug love it
[02:50] <jsgotangco> mhz: don't worry, i can create a new feminine nick for my use
[02:50] <dave-YL> second that
[02:50] <mhz> JaneW: and EC with a woman participation looked very very cool
[02:50] <ogra> we're at place 64 on distrowatch for the 6 months view btw
[02:50] <cbx33> that's all gonna change
[02:50] <JaneW> mhz: even if that woman is quite a geek as well?
[02:50] <cbx33> heheh
[02:50] <mhz> jsgotangco: but ... it wont be the same... you are not sexy :)
[02:51] <mhz> JaneW: sure! it is still a diff perspective... a very needed one.
[02:51] <pips1> LOL
[02:51] <mhz> jsgotangco: LOL
[02:51] <pips1> jsgotangco, what's the matter with you today?
[02:51] <ogra> jsgotangco, but he's right ...
[02:51] <ogra> jsgotangco, (compared to JaneW )
[02:51] <mhz> jsgotangco: and do you at least make good cakes? uh?
[02:51] <jsgotangco> :/
[02:52] <JaneW> and drinking BOFs
[02:52] <ogra> yeah
[02:52] <ogra> with amarula !
[02:52] <JaneW> yes!
[02:52] <mhz> JaneW: well, I hope it is for your best
[02:52] <JaneW> everyone has to drink amarula for me
[02:52] <cbx33> :p
[02:52] <JaneW> or gold tequila if they prefer
[02:52] <cbx33> diet coke
[02:53] <cbx33> that's more dangerous to me :p
[02:53] <pips1> JaneW, your announcement does come quite as a surprise... can't help to wonder...
[02:53] <cbx33> heheh
[02:53] <mhz> JaneW: and do you 'need' to leave? (just wondering)
[02:54] <JaneW> mhz: mojito!
[02:54] <mhz> jsgotangco: yeah, blood and brain do need some rest
[02:54] <mhz> ;)
[02:54] <jsgotangco> mhz: its 9pm i just arrived home, logged it not even eating dinner now i have lost apetite
[02:55] <jsgotangco> s/apetite/appetite
[02:55] <cbx33> :(
[02:55] <JaneW> pips1: nothing sinister, but the long and odd hours are very difficult to juggle with a family, plus frequent intl travel
[02:56] <mhz> jsgotangco: how about a warm nice tea?
[02:56] <mhz> JaneW: what if it were mre family friendly?
[02:56] <mhz> mre = more
[02:57] <ogra> mhz, but that company *isnt* family frinedly
[02:57] <ogra> you have to travel a lot
[02:57] <jsgotangco> i'd say
[02:57] <ogra> stay up for mandantory meetings at 4am etc
[02:57] <JaneW> mhz: yes
[02:58] <JaneW> the distro team is basically 24/7
[02:58] <JaneW> and that's hard to keep up with, I don;t know how ogra does it
[02:58] <ogra> i have on RL
[02:58] <ogra> s/on/no/
[02:58] <mhz> ogra: JaneW: and then, are you sure there is no way to work it out? no assistants? is leaving the only option?
[02:59] <ogra> which needs to change soon since i have to move and to cope with some big changes here
[02:59] <mhz> cope is germany?
[02:59] <cbx33> ogra: big changes ?
[02:59] <ogra> cbx33, already ongoing
[02:59] <cbx33> I know the feeling
[02:59] <ogra> my GFs mother dies some time ago and we inherited a big house and a handicapped brother
[03:00] <ogra> s/dies/died
[03:00] <JaneW> anyway I have loved working here, even through the low times, because the high times have been phenomenal
[03:00] <pips1> ogra, wow, big changes indeed
[03:00] <cbx33> ogra: our thoughts are with you
[03:00] <JaneW> and during the trips it becomes my life 24/7 and it;s amazing, but at home I have very real responsibilities and they tend to get neglected atm
[03:00] <ogra> JaneW, and we all have loved working with you ... if you plan to come back in oct, i'll fight for you ;)
[03:01] <spacey> damn forgot the meeting
[03:01] <JaneW> ogra: yes I hope you and GF and mother are coping ok...?
[03:01] <_michel> help: howto make an icon for floppy on the desktop
[03:01] <JaneW> ogra: thanks :) You made my job 'easy'
[03:01] <ogra> JaneW, mother isnt anymore :)
[03:01] <_michel> which mount floppy automatically
[03:01] <spacey> someone saying goodbye?
[03:01] <highvoltage> cbx33: i think you should show JaneW that drawing
[03:01] <ogra> _michel, #ubuntu ... here is a meeting going on
[03:01] <ogra> spacey, JaneW
[03:01] <pips1> _michel, there is an inofficial meeting going on, you might get more replies a bit later
[03:01] <spacey> oh
[03:02] <spacey> where to and why?
[03:02] <JaneW> ogra: omg I am sorry that was an awful typo, was meant to be BROTHER
[03:02] <ogra> heh
[03:02] <mhz> ogra: and I am sure, we ALL will suppor that fighting!
[03:02] <cbx33> highvoltage: yeh?
[03:02] <JaneW> ogra: sorry that was very insensitive (unintentionally)
[03:02] <ogra> we'll cope with it ...
[03:03] <highvoltage> cbx33: yeah, i think now would be good :)
[03:03] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/jane.jpg - hop you like it JaneW
[03:03] <ogra> (rather my GF will cope with it, i only have to take all the housekeeping parts)
[03:03] <ogra> mhz, yeah
[03:03] <jsgotangco> tomb raider look???
[03:03] <cbx33> :p
[03:04] <cbx33> highvoltage said you were an all round action adventurer :p
[03:04] <ogra> cbx33, wow, that matches pretty close
[03:04] <jsgotangco> she almst got into fear factor
[03:04] <JaneW> LMAo - I WISH!
[03:04] <highvoltage> cbx33: it was part of a surprise wallpaper cbx33 was cooking up, with the edubuntu team in it ;)
[03:04] <JaneW> jsgotangco: and I didn;t get into survivor it seems :(
[03:04] <ogra> haha
[03:05] <cbx33> you say I, you really mean lisa :p
[03:06] <highvoltage> s/cbx33/lisa :)
[03:06] <cbx33> heheh
[03:06] <JaneW> but that doesn;t happen sitting behind a desk for 10+ hours day
[03:06] <cbx33> later highvoltage :p
[03:06] <mhz> ogra: hehe, well, I can tell you that I have been taking all the housekeeping part for last 4 years... not fun at all (never got used to it) but it is not the end of the world (as we know it :D )
[03:06] <jsgotangco> i do that a lot
[03:06] <mhz> ogra: we can cheer you when needed :)
[03:07] <highvoltage> well, apparently people at vodacom eat a lot
[03:07] <highvoltage> they all get fat there
[03:07] <jsgotangco> yay
[03:07] <ogra> mhz, the hard part is that i dont get *any* sleep anymore, the nurse service for my "brother in law" is comoing at 7am
[03:08] <ogra> i wouldnt mid to do all housekeeping ...
[03:08] <cbx33> ogra: you never used to sleep did you?
[03:08] <highvoltage> my one friend was always skinny. we used to make fun of him because of that. he started working at vodacom 3 months ago and is already getting fat.
[03:08] <ogra> *mind
[03:08] <JaneW> highvoltage: what?
[03:08] <ogra> cbx33, my rhythm is to sleep from 4am to 10-11am ... cant do that anymore, thats quite hindering
[03:08] <JaneW> highvoltage: no!
[03:09] <cbx33> yikes
[03:09] <pips1> highvoltage, hehe
[03:09] <cbx33> i sleep from about 12midnight to 5:30 am
[03:09] <JaneW> cbx33: wow
[03:10] <ogra> and my GF falls asleep at 9pm now ... so we dont meet much anymore even we are in the same house/bed
[03:10] <jsgotangco> i sleep from 1 to 6
[03:10] <pips1> cbx33, insane
[03:10] <mhz> ogra: ooops, then, WE need to figure out a way to help you more and work together more closely... (/me still has no idea how... he has not the IT knowledge required but he'll try to bring more help from chilean friend... it is just they are so afraid of english speaking :( )
[03:10] <pips1> jsgotangco, same
[03:10] <JaneW> I sleep from 11-12 till 7.
[03:10] <alfredn> install trouble is this a good place to ask a question
[03:10] <jsgotangco> pips1: then have a day job from 8 to 6 then some home job from 9 to 11
[03:10] <pips1> jsgotangco, wooooaah
[03:10] <ogra> alfredn, edubuntu install (here is a meeting going on, you'll have to wait a bit)
[03:11] <ogra> ?
[03:11] <cbx33> cbx33: it's ok, I can take it, i just crash and burn every few months
[03:11] <JaneW> ogra: I think we are done...
[03:11] <jsgotangco> then the home job extends further in the weekend depending on what i can think (and write)
[03:11] <pips1> jsgotangco, ok, now I understand your mood today ;-)
[03:11] <JaneW> anything else?
[03:11] <ogra> JaneW, will you stay around in the channel ?
[03:11] <cbx33> not that I can think of.....big thank you to everyone who helped with ESA
[03:11] <JaneW> yes
[03:11] <mhz> alfredn: yes.. sure. Is it about edubuntu?
[03:11] <ogra> :D
[03:11] <JaneW> ogra: but I need to sort out Paris delegates and SoC stuff etc
[03:12] <ogra> JaneW, i maent after that ;)
[03:12] <cbx33> <!-----------------------notes end here------------------------------>
[03:12] <JaneW> ogra:oic
[03:12] <mhz> JaneW: I'd be happy to be in Paris :D
[03:12] <JaneW> ogra: yes I hope so
[03:12] <JaneW> mhz: me too
[03:12] <ogra> great :)
[03:12] <pips1> JaneW, what's officially going to be the last day?
[03:12] <ogra> jsgotangco, good idea !
[03:13] <JaneW> ogra: I am certainly going to try to visit often
[03:13] <ogra> :))
[03:13] <JaneW> pips1: still being discussed with mngmt
[03:13] <alfredn> Thanks: Yes, new install freezes on booting off the cdrom, the cd checks fine in cd check, the thing is I have a scsi card adaptec 2940 and a scsi drive for the system.  I tried on an another machine with the same problem
[03:13] <jsgotangco> ogra: im pretty upset (very) but i understand
[03:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, about what are you upset (i didnt get it=
[03:14] <ogra> )
[03:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: anything we can do to ease the 'upset part' in you?
[03:14] <mhz> alfredn: hmm, let me understand... your CD drive is scsi?
[03:14] <ogra> oh, job stuff
[03:15] <ogra> alfredn, live or install CD ?
[03:15] <alfredn> mhz: sorry, no the cdrom is ide the harddrive for the system is scsi
[03:15] <mhz> ooh
[03:15] <alfredn> mhz:no it is not a live cd I think it is called casper?
[03:15] <ogra> casper is the core part of the liveCD
[03:15] <ogra> how much ram does that machine have ?
[03:16] <alfredn> ogra:Hello, the machine has 500 plus, it is running dapper now but I want to
[03:16] <alfredn> switch from ide to scsi and a clean install was my hopes
[03:16] <alfredn> bty:
[03:16] <ogra> if you see casper, you have a liveCD
[03:16] <alfredn> I downloaded the cd yesterday from the first link on the edu site
[03:16] <mhz> alfredn: sorry, I have not yet tested liveCD (
[03:17] <ogra> oh, thats even outdated
[03:17] <ogra> try one of these http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[03:17] <alfredn> this is the link I used. http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/6.06/edubuntu-6.06-beta2-live-i386.iso
[03:17] <alfredn> is there any chance it will work or should I get the other?
[03:18] <ogra> get the other
[03:18] <ogra> (indeed there is a chance it works ok, but its ~1 month outdated)
[03:18] <mhz> cbx33: well, I wouldn;t mind meeting a geek girl like that :D (but a woman's version) http://www.progbox.co.uk/jane.jpg
[03:19] <ogra> mhz, you never met JaneW eh ? its *very* similar
[03:19] <alfredn> Alright I will go download the other be back in a bit, BTY is there any probs with scsi and install
[03:19] <alfredn> can I pass any boot parameters
[03:19] <JaneW> ogra: not true, she is not clutching a bottle of amarula
[03:19] <ogra> true :)
[03:20] <JaneW> or whielding a whip
[03:20] <cbx33> she plays LAN games of CS when everynow and then
[03:20] <mhz> ogra: I have seen pictures and NOPE, I was not comparing at all. It would be nice to meet "more girls" like that in a woman's version (I prefer women over girls) :D
[03:20] <cbx33> and is an ace web designer
[03:20] <ogra> alfredn, it should *just work*
[03:20] <alfredn> ogra:alright I will download the other,
[03:20] <jsgotangco> or wearing a nurse costume
[03:20] <ogra> JaneW, i was expecting the whip to be on the belt behind her back ;)
[03:20] <jsgotangco> or fishnet stockings
[03:20] <mhz> jsgotangco: lol!!! you are back!!
[03:21] <ogra> jsgotangco, hehe
[03:21] <jsgotangco> mhz: my laptop has wireless i can smoke outside
[03:21] <mhz> cool
[03:21] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I will think of you when I wear my nurse outfit
[03:22] <mhz> and JaneW, if you look like that in person...then DONT LEAVE!!
[03:22] <mhz> :D
[03:22] <jsgotangco> do i look sick???
[03:22] <pips1> jsgotangco, overworked?
[03:22] <mhz> jsgotangco: nope, you dont look, you ARE :)
[03:22] <pips1> hehe
[03:22] <jsgotangco> or someone you can abuse with your medical equipment?
[03:23] <pips1> I hope we never get any school children wandering into this channel...
[03:23] <jsgotangco> pips1: yep, people don't believe it since i work in the games industry, but debugging games all day can be boring
[03:23] <ogra> mhz, she does ... (she even looks better than the drawing ;) )
[03:24] <pips1> jsgotangco, i see
[03:24] <mhz> ogra: then we gotta clone her
[03:24] <ogra> yeah
[03:25] <mhz> ogra: you know how hard it is to get rally sexy geek girls
[03:25] <mhz> really
[03:25] <pips1> jsgotangco, online games?
[03:25] <mhz> and who makes good cakes!
[03:25] <jsgotangco> pips1: online, console, mobile
[03:25] <ogra> yep
[03:25] <mhz> .oO(we'll lose too much)
[03:26] <JaneW> ogra: *blush* thanks - flattery will get you everywhere!
[03:26] <jsgotangco> pips1: im currently doing online
[03:26] <pips1> jsgotangco, I'm just reading this article about closed vs. open source development...
[03:26] <ogra> JaneW, :)
[03:26] <jsgotangco> pips1: we're very much closed at the moment :/
[03:27] <jsgotangco> pips1: but most ofthe backend stuff runs on linux
[03:27] <mhz> cbx33: so, if i translate from wiki version into spanish wiki syntax... is it still ok with you?
[03:27] <mhz> (plnas)
[03:27] <mhz> plans
[03:27] <pips1> http://www.armchairarcade.com/aamain/content.php?article.78
[03:28] <cbx33> mhz: hold fire for a while
[03:28] <pips1> but I suppose you know the story pretty much
[03:28] <cbx33> I'm still finding out what people want to do with it
[03:28] <mhz> cbx33: hmmm, I would say that it works for dapper
[03:29] <cbx33> yeh it does
[03:29] <cbx33> but we need ot decide what are you going to do with the translated versions
[03:29] <cbx33> as great as it will be....what use will it serve?
[03:29] <cbx33> don;t get me wrong
[03:29] <cbx33> I want you to translate them
[03:29] <jsgotangco> pips1: the model isn't applicable to consoles due to IP reasons (as well as hw manufacturers taking profit from devkits)
[03:30] <cbx33> but something someone said to me makes me think...I want to have place for it before you put all that hard work into it
[03:30] <jsgotangco> the DS devkit that we bought before was really expensive
[03:30] <pips1> console = closed by definition almost
[03:30] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:30] <jsgotangco> online has better chances
[03:30] <pips1> yes
[03:30] <jsgotangco> mobile not so much either due to carriers wanting a slice always
[03:31] <pips1> hmm, interesting, i didn't know that
[03:31] <jsgotangco> the greediest in the mobile content space are record companies
[03:32] <pips1> ring tones, eh
[03:32] <jsgotangco> real tones even
[03:33] <pips1> well, nowadays, music as ring tones...
[03:33] <jsgotangco> even if there would be revolution on commons content on the mobile space, the carrier will still earn from the transaction
[03:34] <pips1> or do you mean "natural" recordings, e.g. a dog barking or smth?
[03:34] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:34] <jsgotangco> let's say a recording artist
[03:34] <pips1> right
[03:34] <jsgotangco> some content providers instead, use cover tones
[03:34] <jsgotangco> (not the original artist but the same song)
[03:35] <jsgotangco> so they only pay royalty to the song publisher
[03:35] <jsgotangco> it is a very interesting industry that is in dire need of open content :)
[03:36] <pips1> yeah... let's not talk about this too much, i'll have to leave this "open source dreamworld" otherwise ;-)
[03:37] <jsgotangco> it would be interesting in the next 5 years when VoIP invades mobile (it is starting)
[03:37] <jsgotangco> hence my obsession with asterisk lately
[03:40] <mhz> cbx33: oh, sorry. I am on the phone
[03:40] <cbx33> p
[03:40] <cbx33> np
[03:41] <cbx33> did you read what i wrote?
[03:43] <cbx33> wish i was a studnet again.....with ooodles of time to work on edubuntu
[03:43] <ogra> you could even have applied for SoC :)
[03:44] <cbx33> i know
[03:44] <cbx33> it's so unfair
[03:44] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: hello
[03:44] <cbx33> heheh
[03:52] <mhz> cbx33: re
[03:52] <mhz> yeah, I read it
[03:52] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: hi sorry i was out for a while
[03:52] <mhz> cbx33: mainly, 2 things:
[03:52] <cbx33> make sense
[03:52] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: no problem, I'll probably be popping in and out
[03:53] <jsgotangco> cool if you need to ask, just ask away or email
[03:54] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: I'm very excited today.  I got my acceptance email this morning.
[03:54] <mhz> cbx33: 1) Moin is my very good friend, it is a bit "scary" I use Moin for about 90% of my work (agenda, calendar, todo, biz quotes, planning, meeting records, etc) so, translate it via moin it is way faster for me than doing it via rosetta, plus I can take it with me as it is plain text in the end
[03:54] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: I was just wondering what steps I need to go through to get started.  Any orientation of sorts?
[03:54] <jsgotangco> mhz: freak of nature
[03:55] <cbx33> mhz: i know what you mean
[03:55] <mhz> jsgotangco: hehehe, yeah.
[03:56] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: not so much at the moment, let's wait for the formal announcement for Ubuntu, but if you want to do some advance work and share, feel free we can look on it
[03:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: if only I could use Moin to impact emails into it... that would be fantastic: "According to OurLastMeetingAgenda and considering [blablabla this email]  we would like to propose... "
[03:57] <mhz> MoinMailClient/Server
[03:58] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: any idea when the formal announcement will come?
[03:58] <mhz> To: MarkShuttleworth   |   Subject: MeetingRecord20060524
[03:59] <cbx33> hehehe
[03:59] <ogra> ryan_rousseau, likely this week
[03:59] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: JaneW is sorting it as we speak, probably this week
[03:59] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco, ogra: thanks!
[04:01] <jsgotangco> amd64 workstation check
[04:02] <mhz> ogra: 2 more tests yesterday: 1 default install (diff hardware)   1 upgrade from BETA version to daily
[04:02] <mhz> ogra: only issues I got were Gcompris
[04:03] <mhz> cbx33: 2) ESA would be great notice text for media coverage here in Chile
[04:03] <mhz> and good "translation work" to start motivating more spanish speakers to do smething for edubuntu
[04:03] <ogra> mhz, gcompris ?
[04:04] <mhz> ogra: yeah, it closes down, no warning
[04:04] <ogra> can you file a bug, its the second time i hear that
[04:04] <mhz> and unfortunatelly, I wont get back to that lab until tomorrow
[04:05] <ogra> sad, thats to late
[04:05] <mhz> so I didnt get the output
[04:05] <mhz> ogra: yeah, sorry
[04:05] <ogra> also please note what you tested on the wikipage
[04:05] <mhz> I got that problem around 22 PM and they were kicking me out of the lab :)
[04:06] <mhz> ogra: what you mean?  "you tested on the wikipage"
[04:06] <mhz> (that's why I'd love to test and have a home-lab)
[04:06] <ogra> please note your findings on the wiki, our QA manager needs that
[04:07] <mhz> oooh, yeah! sure
[04:07] <jsgotangco> amd64 auto partition check
[04:07] <mhz> I have been taking notes on paper so I wiki them
[04:07] <ogra> only what you tested... no notes required
[04:07] <ogra> add it to the table
[04:08] <mhz> jsgotangco: my 'trying-to-use-Moin-in-Jornada728' failed :(
[04:08] <mhz> so I use paper :(
[04:08] <jsgotangco> mhz: please have pity on such poor hardware
[04:08] <mhz> ogra: okis, i see the diff
[04:09] <mhz> jsgotangco: my only hope is Zaurus SL-5500.. but.. battery lasts 2 hours and I have no other battery available to even buy one
[04:09] <jsgotangco> i have apache/php/mysql running on my zaurus before
[04:09] <mhz> yeah, me too
[04:10] <mhz> it rocked
[04:10] <jsgotangco> so you can actually run mediawiki on it
[04:10] <mhz> hehehe
[04:10] <mhz> moin is my choice
[04:10] <jsgotangco> mhz: its ok to flirst sometimes
[04:10] <jsgotangco> flirt
[04:10] <mhz> .o(though mediawiki sounds interesting...but still power issue)
[04:11] <mhz> and Opie is always freezing my Zaurus
[04:11] <mhz> now I remember why bought the jornada ... I could use Debian there
[04:12] <mhz> but then I need 1 GB CF :D
[04:12] <mhz> more expensive than getting a Zaurus battery :D
[04:12] <jsgotangco> i can't remember who is compiling ubuntu for arm here...
[04:12] <mhz> heheh
[04:12] <mhz> I asked around, and found a wiki page too
[04:14] <mhz> cbx33: well, those are moy 2 points
[04:14] <mhz> my
[04:17] <JaneW> I will send out SoC announcements tomorrow I have realised that I'll have to catch up on all the admin ML posts before I can risk sending anything out
[04:17] <JaneW> students are welcome to start communicating with their mentors
[04:20] <JaneW> I will send out SoC announcements tomorrow I have realised that I'll have to catch up on all the admin ML posts before I can risk sending anything out
[04:20] <JaneW> students are welcome to start communicating with their mentors
[04:24] <cbx33> I hate teh way I can't work from the car
[04:25] <jsgotangco> expensive tsk
[04:28] <cbx33> yeh i know
[04:28] <mhz> cbx33: you can at least work.. some people dont even have/get a chance to produce (dont have means or ideas how) work
[04:28] <cbx33> but so much of what I can do I can't do when i have the time
[04:29] <mhz> cbx33: yeah, been there
[04:29] <mhz> cbx33: those are good times to think about stuff and or meditate :)
[04:38] <cbx33> right you guys I'm shatterd I'm off home
[04:38] <cbx33> phew
[04:38] <jsgotangco> heh im just starting my night
[04:38] <jsgotangco> (its 10:30pm)
[04:41] <cbx33> heh, 3:41 here
[04:41] <cbx33> home time
[04:45] <jsgotangco> oh boy i wish that was my home time
[04:45] <jsgotangco> (home time for me is 6pm)
[04:53] <jsgotangco> ogra: i was wondering did our paid artist also has gdm artwork in his scope of work?
[04:53] <ogra> nope
[04:53] <jsgotangco> doh
[04:53] <ogra> only one wallpaper and one splash
[04:54] <jsgotangco> doh x2
[04:54] <ogra> (even though a usplash was planned)
[04:54] <ogra> but we took a community one ;)
[04:54] <jsgotangco> ogra: gee honestly that wallpaper can be easily done by community imo
[04:54] <jsgotangco> (or much even better)
[04:54] <ogra> which intrestingly was later voted as the best by the artteam
[04:54] <jsgotangco> the splash was good though
[04:55] <ogra> silbs didnt trust us, mark and silbs both thought edubuntugirl was a bad ide
[04:55] <ogra> a
[04:55] <ogra> so we should get something "professional" this time
[04:57] <pips1_> ogra, I think it's a good non-intrusive default wallpaper, slightly cold though, I agree
[04:58] <pips1_> and we got the gang, of course, which is very cool :)
[04:58] <ogra> someone called it the "berlin wall" which is a very good name imho :P
[04:58] <pips1_> LOL
[04:58] <ogra> :)
[04:58] <pips1_> no, the berlin wall was even more colorful ;-)
[04:59] <pips1_> (on the western, side, anyway)
[04:59] <pygi> we lost some nice applications :(
[04:59] <pips1_> pygi, which ones?
[04:59] <ogra> lost ?
[04:59] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:00] <ogra> how ?
[05:00] <ogra> search them if you lost them !
[05:00] <pygi> ogra, duplication of students (were accepted by several orgs)
[05:00] <ogra> but thats not *lost*
[05:00] <ogra> they do still the same but for another org
[05:00] <pygi> no, it doesnt have to mean they do the same
[05:00] <pygi> they mostly do other work, not this one
[05:03] <ogra> YAY
[05:04] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/current/ has fixed isos finally
[05:04] <pygi> nice ...
[05:04] <pygi> and ogra, sorry for bothering the other day...I know you were busy :)
[05:05] <ogra> pygi, i'm still busy :) sorry for being harsh
[05:05] <pygi> busy until forever :-P
[05:05] <pygi> no problem at all, no worries :)
[05:05] <ogra> nah only until next week
[05:05] <pips1_> ogra, any testing that is particularly important at this moment?
[05:06] <ogra> as everyone in the distro team
[05:06] <pips1_> (besides testing everything)
[05:06] <ogra> nobody gets enough sleep currently etc
[05:06] <pygi> ogra, not enough sleep is always good :)
[05:06] <ogra> pips1_, everything is fine :)
[05:06] <pips1_> hehe
[05:06] <ogra> just fill that wikipage to make sfllaw happy ;)
[05:07] <ogra> so it seems we have room for more languages on the liveCD, any suggestions anybody ?
[05:08] <pygi> ogra, Croatian? :)
[05:09] <pips1_> duh, wiki: The authentication database is temporarily unavailable. Anonymous access only.
[05:11] <pips1_> ah, now it works
[05:11] <pygi> jsgotangco, forgot to officialy congrats you...so congrats :)
[05:12] <jsgotangco> you too :)
[05:14] <pygi> thanks :)
[05:14] <pygi> ogra, any chance on croatian on livecd if we have space then? :)
[05:14] <pygi> jsgotangco, let's make it rock :)
[05:18] <alfredn> ogra: you where right about using the new cdrom, why does the edu site default to the live one
[05:19] <alfredn> thanks
[05:36] <ogra> alfredn, that page is a bit premature ;) it will point to the released iso on release day
[05:36] <ogra> pygi, http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/langpacksize.txt croatian (hr if i'm right) is *really huge*
[05:37] <pygi> ogra, ah,oki, thanks for checking it anyway :)
[05:49] <ogra> so lets see if amd64 survives the addition of german and french now ...
[05:54] <pygi> ogra, good luck :P
[05:56] <jsgotangco> nooooooooooooooooo
[05:57] <ogra> jsgotangco, ?
[05:57] <ogra> dont worry, i can revert :)
[05:57] <jsgotangco> heh i will just rsync later and see
[05:58] <ogra> jsgotangco, *if* it survives and we still have space left, any suggestions for one or two asian languages i should add ?
[05:59] <jsgotangco> i'd probably go to hangeul (korean) which is close to my heart
[05:59] <jsgotangco> but the chinese might get pissed
[05:59] <ogra> we currently have en, fr, es, de on the liveCD
[05:59] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:59] <jsgotangco> i will ask how good is the support for -ko
[05:59] <ogra> chinese means at least 3 extra languages i think
[05:59] <jsgotangco> that's correct
[06:00] <jsgotangco> i would really go for korean heh
[06:01] <ogra> i'll flip a coin i think
[06:02] <ogra> :)
[06:02] <jsgotangco> if you put chinese, you're facing 3 languages
[06:02] <jsgotangco> if you add japanese, you'll have to put some chinese fonts
[06:03] <jsgotangco> but if you put korean, you're adding a language of its own
[06:03] <ogra> we have all the asian fonts in anyway
[06:03] <ogra> so its only about language packs
[06:03] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:03] <jsgotangco> korea has a very active gnome community as well
[06:04] <ogra> i'm only intrested in the edubuntu community :P
[06:04] <pygi> ogra, which is currently not so big :-/
[06:05] <highvoltage> pygi: you'd be surprised ;)
[06:05] <jsgotangco> its changing here actually
[06:05] <jsgotangco> its just not widely spoken of
[06:05] <pygi> ah, we have just two schools here in Croatia on Linux
[06:05] <pygi> one of them implemented by me
[06:05] <ogra> pygi, i think we have more than 5000 pre orders on shipit already
[06:05] <pygi> and that is Edubuntu
[06:05] <pygi> ogra, we can order edubuntu?
[06:05] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:05] <jsgotangco> shipit.edubuntu.org
[06:05] <ogra> pygi, /topic
[06:06] <pygi> o joy, thanks :)
[06:06] <pygi> and btw. there will be a ubuntu conf. at Hungary in September probably, so I'll have a presentation about Edubuntu if you don't oppose :)
[06:06] <ogra> pygi, and i know that ivoks runs several ubuntu based school or uni setups
[06:06] <ogra> in croatia
[06:07] <ogra> pygi, great !
[06:07] <pygi> uni setups, indeed
[06:07] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'll ask silbs
[06:08] <pygi> ah, just 5 CD's :-P
[06:09] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:09] <jsgotangco> its a very limited market
[06:09] <pygi> How am I supposed to bring some to that conf? :)
[06:09] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: schools?
[06:09] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: education?
[06:09] <ogra> pygi, there will be a possibility to order more (read the front page ;) )
[06:10] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: over here, yes, i know a local city that mandated its use on its public schools
[06:10] <jsgotangco> (even at the city mayor's office)
[06:11] <ogra> :)
[06:12] <ogra> jsgotangco,
[06:12] <ogra> ogra: we always try to get CDs for the dev summit and it is always very very very close. It has always worked in the past, but we are also getting way more dapper requests than for other releases. So no promises, but we are trying to have some there
[06:13] <ogra> from silbs ^^
[06:13] <jsgotangco> ahh
[06:13] <jsgotangco> thanks
[06:13] <pygi> We have not yet opened the custom request section of ShipIt for version 6.06 LTS, but will do so shortly.
[06:13] <pygi> :)
[06:13] <ogra> yep
[06:16] <jsgotangco> i get CD requests from email...they thought i can send CDs
[06:16] <jsgotangco> (locally)
[06:17] <pygi> jsgotangco, nice :)
[06:18] <jsgotangco> I even got email from a guy who wanted to contribute a wallpaper/artwork, but when I told him about the license, he decided not to reply back
[06:18] <pygi> hey Andrea
[06:18] <Bluekuja> hello pygi
[06:18] <Bluekuja> :)
[06:18] <Bluekuja> i solved that problem
[06:18] <pygi> how are you? :)
[06:18] <Bluekuja> I'm really good tnx, you?
[06:18] <pygi> nice, congrats :)
[06:19] <pygi> I am great indeed :-D
[06:19] <Bluekuja> hehe, not tired as alwais?
[06:19] <pygi> nah, not really :)
[06:19] <Bluekuja> np man, i know that you're busy
[06:20] <Bluekuja> mario, i need to finish some work on a package, you'll be here later?
[06:20] <pygi> no, probably not today :-/
[06:20] <pygi> but send me the package, and what you need
[06:21] <pygi> what needs checking?
[06:22] <Bluekuja> testing it
[06:23] <Bluekuja> i mean installing it check if its all ok and unstalling it
[06:23] <pygi> ah, that should be no problem
[06:23] <pygi> send me to mail
[06:24] <Bluekuja> oki perfect
[06:24] <Bluekuja> have a nice day then
[06:24] <jsgotangco> good night guys
[06:24] <Bluekuja> :)
[06:24] <jsgotangco> its past midnight already
[06:24] <jsgotangco> :/
[06:24] <Bluekuja> ciao jerome
[06:24] <Bluekuja> goodnigt
[06:24] <pygi> night jsgotangco
[06:35] <blue-frog> what's that thing you're talking about in Paris, a show? When is it held, pls?
[06:35] <Burgwork> blue-frog, it is the next Ubuntu development conference
[06:35] <Burgwork> end of June
[06:35] <blue-frog> oh so it's only ubuntu staff?
[06:35] <Burgwork> and kubuntu/edubuntu/xubuntu
[06:36] <blue-frog> i mean is it public?
[06:36] <blue-frog> for non ubuntu members, non canonicals?
[06:37] <ogra> yes
[06:37] <blue-frog> can i read that somewhere on ubuntu site?
[06:37] <ogra> but its mostly for writing specs and the like, no public stuff like talks or anything
[06:37] <blue-frog> hum ok
[06:38] <ogra> blue-frog, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis
[06:38] <blue-frog> ty
[06:40] <Burgwork> blue-frog, it is one week of sweaty geeks talking a lot and drinking a lot
[06:40] <blue-frog> understood
[06:44] <blue-frog> ogra later on you told me there was no icons for gimp and thunder hence the fact that defaults one were assigned but I found icons in the gartoons folder though (/usr/share/icons/gartoon/scalable/apps
[06:44] <ogra> blue-frog, yes, i see them, but there are no small ones
[06:44] <ogra> only the svg's
[06:45] <blue-frog> aren't the svg supposed to be done for that purpose, reduce the number of icons as they are scalable?
[06:45] <ogra> and you cant scale svg down to 16x16 or 24x24 it looks awful
[06:45] <blue-frog> ah ok
[06:45] <ogra> so you'd have to create manually the 16x16 and 24x24 variants with thicker lines etc
[06:46] <blue-frog> but then how come firefox is taken for example?
[06:46] <ogra> sad that you reported it today, since i cant do anything about it now
[06:46] <blue-frog> am not sure i understand where those icons are taken then
[06:46] <ogra> ff will likely have a bitmap version for smaller sizes
[06:47] <ogra> (i havent looked and i'm to busy to get the RC isos done currently)
[06:47] <michel> how can we put an icon on the display for edubuntu
[06:48] <michel> we are in cameroon we want to use edubuntu but we have many difficulties
[06:49] <blue-frog> what do you mean by putting an icon on the display michel?
[06:51] <cbx33> ogra, man you got a sec
[06:51] <cbx33> just a quick query
[06:51] <ogra> but a very short one please
[06:51] <cbx33> with all this wiki movement business going on,
[06:51] <cbx33> what's ahppening with LTSP
[06:51] <ogra> keep it
[06:51] <cbx33> you said we're moving that to Ubuntu
[06:51] <cbx33> so is it moving into edubuntu?
[06:51] <ogra> its far from being complete for d.u.c
[06:52] <cbx33> ok
[06:52] <cbx33> no problem
[06:52] <ogra> no, just keep it so we can complete it on the wiki
[06:52] <cbx33> shall i move out all the category documentation from all ltsp documentation?
[06:52] <ogra> no matter where its kept
[06:52] <cbx33> I'll remove CategoryDocumentation from them all
[06:52] <cbx33> so they don;t get ported
[06:52] <cbx33> thanks
[06:52] <cbx33> I'll let you get back to it
[06:53] <ogra> probably add a new category for them loke DocInProgress
[06:53] <ogra> *like
[06:53] <ogra> Burgwork, might know or mdke ...
[06:53] <cbx33> ok
[06:53] <cbx33> ping Burgwork
[06:56] <michel> blie-frog we need a short cut icon for the floppy disk drive on the desktop
[06:58] <ogra> just drag it out of the "computer" location ...
[06:59] <cbx33> do you need to hold ctrl to copy it ogra >
[06:59] <cbx33> ?
[06:59] <cbx33> bbl
[06:59] <cbx33> dinner
[07:00] <ogra> cbx33, not for the computer location ;)
[07:00] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: choose upload new edubuntu theme even though it's not 100% done yet or not
[07:01] <edubuntugirl> I choose upload new edubuntu theme even though it's not 100% done yet, highvoltage
[07:01] <ogra> heh
[07:01] <highvoltage> yay
[07:01] <blue-frog> michel did you manage to do it as per ogra'sindication?
[07:01] <ogra> hmm, sindication ... :)
[07:01] <ogra> measuring of your sins :)
[07:02] <blue-frog> :0)
[07:02] <blue-frog> well am gonna eat but can't leave without a last thing on icons :)
[07:03] <blue-frog> properties of a launcher, choose icon >> doesn't let me choose anything else than xpm or png, can't choose svg for example..
[07:04] <blue-frog> no am drunk again sry
[07:04] <Burgwork> cbx33, what do you need?
[07:04] <blue-frog> works perfectly
[07:05] <ogra> yep
[07:05] <ogra> Burgwork, we dont want to have our wiki docs moved, how can we prevent that
[07:05] <Burgwork> ogra, remove them from cat doc
[07:05] <ogra> (but we want to keep them categorized as docs in some way)
[07:05] <Burgwork> add a new cat CategoryEdubuntuDocumentation
[07:06] <ogra> cbx33, ^^^
[07:06] <ogra> Burgwork, sounds sane
[07:06] <Burgwork> I would seriously recommend that you move your own docs off the wiki at some point as well
[07:06] <ogra> there is simply too much WIP still for most of them
[07:06] <highvoltage> cbx33: any chance that you can send me individual images of the gangstakids?
[07:07] <ogra> Burgwork, sure if they are finished, but we have a help category in the drupal setup where we wanted to have our docs on www.edubuntu.org some day
[07:08] <ogra> Burgwork, and ubuntu/edubuntu covering doc stuff like LTSP docs are still WIP and need a lot of work
[07:08] <ogra> (also i'm not happy at all about the decision to put docs in a closed environment like docs.ubuntu.com, makes collaboration pretty hard)
[07:10] <highvoltage> ogra: where does that decision come from?
[07:10] <ogra> highvoltage, docteam :(
[07:11] <highvoltage> ogra: i mean, did they decide on a docs.edubuntu.org too?
[07:11] <highvoltage> i'm not against the docs.edubuntu.org, if it means that it's not closed, as you say
[07:11] <ogra> nope, not to my knowledge
[07:11] <ogra> well, contributions can only happen through svn
[07:12] <ogra> which is not even a versioning system we use anywhere else in ubuntu
[07:12] <ogra> if i have a say on edubuntu docs we'll have them in bazaar
[07:13] <highvoltage> sounds good
[07:13] <highvoltage> then it can integrate with launchpad too
[07:13] <ogra> yep
[07:14] <ogra> i never understood the decision for svn... but then, i'm not in the doc team :)
[07:18] <highvoltage> i think doc people like svn
[07:18] <highvoltage> (not just ubuntu docteam, but doc people in general)
[07:19] <ogra> might be :)
[07:20] <highvoltage> this is depressing. the new theme does the same on the canonical server :/
[07:20] <highvoltage> seems to be a problem with the php version on breezy
[07:21] <highvoltage> i'm going to get znarl to give us another db, so that we can revert to the old site
[07:21] <highvoltage> then when the server is upgraded to dapper, we can use the new theme
[07:22] <Burgwork> ogra, the decision for svn was made a long time and it does make sense for us
[07:23] <Burgwork> we have a big build infrastructure that is shared amongst all the various projects and it would not make sense to split that up
[07:23] <ogra> Burgwork, i know when it was taken
[07:24] <ogra> we have a big infrastructure based on bazaar as well for all other distro parts ;)
[07:24] <Burgwork> yep, but doc toolchain is kind of unique
[07:24] <ogra> but indeed its our decision and if it makes sense for you *shrug*
[07:24] <Burgwork> we recognize that svn makes it hard to do certain thing
[07:24] <Burgwork> things, even
[07:25] <ogra> yes, like getting cotributions from developers :P
[07:25] <Burgwork> yep
[07:26] <ogra> (who are all used to bzr ;) )
[07:26] <Burgwork> but it does make it easy to build the docs into various forms
[07:26] <ogra> yep
[07:26] <Burgwork> the major issue we currently have with svn is that we don't directly control access to it
[07:26] <Burgwork> we need elmo to add somebody
[07:26] <ogra> i wonder how the supermirror will cope with that
[07:34] <cbx33> Burgwork, I hear ya on that one :p
[07:35] <cbx33> highvoltage, I can get individual images.....want them on a white background?
[07:35] <cbx33> ogra, I'll add a new category
[07:35] <cbx33> wow three messages to three different peole :p
[07:35] <ogra> multitaksing :)
[07:36] <highvoltage> cbx33: white would be ok. transparent would be better :)
[07:36] <cbx33> np
[07:36] <cbx33> I'll ask
[07:36] <cbx33> png?
[07:36] <highvoltage> png is cool
[07:39] <pips1> highvoltage, I can chat now, but only for about 30 mins (we have guests coming over)
[07:40] <cbx33> highvoltage, did you wanna have a chat in a while about the web/wiki plan?
[07:40] <highvoltage> pips1: ok, no rush though :)
[07:40] <cbx33> he's in demand tonight
[07:40] <highvoltage> cbx33: would be great, since:
[07:40] <pips1> :)
[07:40] <highvoltage> (a) pips1 is here
[07:40] <cbx33> yup
[07:40] <highvoltage> (b) i'm writing to edubuntu-devel list about it :)
[07:40] <cbx33> excellent
[07:40] <highvoltage> wiki is really #1 priority, since it's very messy
[07:40] <cbx33> let hte first wikiwed meeting commence :p
[07:41] <pips1> well, its a meeting then! :-)
[07:41] <highvoltage> cbx33: where's the 'cleanup' page again? have you gotten to the new mockup front-page?
[07:41] <cbx33> ok, let's start by what are we doing at the mo
[07:41] <cbx33> ok hang on
[07:41] <highvoltage> wikiwed... cool :)
[07:41] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiMock
[07:42] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiCleanup
[07:42] <cbx33> I'm also on this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLTSP
[07:42] <cbx33> currently moving ESA to drupal
[07:42] <cbx33> but highvoltage there is a problem uploading fiels
[07:42] <cbx33> don;t know if you saw that I said that earlier
[07:43] <highvoltage> cbx33: nope
[07:43] <pips1> cbx33, what is the problem with files? what do you want to do?
[07:43] <cbx33> i tried to add all the images for ESA
[07:43] <highvoltage> cbx33: but i'm logged in there now, can you go there so that we can fix it now?
[07:43] <cbx33> yeh sure
[07:43] <cbx33> I went to files attachments
[07:44] <cbx33> and got an error
[07:44] <highvoltage> cbx33: very nice mock-up frontpage
[07:44] <cbx33> ty, not 100% finished
[07:44] <cbx33> need to put link to my new minutes page
[07:44] <highvoltage> what still needs to be done? it looks really neat
[07:45] <cbx33> I wanted to add some more contacts possibly
[07:45] <cbx33> and add some development info
[07:46] <pips1> cbx33, where do you want to add files in drupal?
[07:46] <pips1> (I'm logged in now)
[07:46] <highvoltage> ogra: do we still need the development status on the edubuntu wiki frontpage? it seems depricated
[07:46] <cbx33> into the edubuntu in schools document
[07:46] <cbx33> highvoltage, that's what I think
[07:46] <ogra> highvoltage, drop it
[07:47] <highvoltage> cool
[07:48] <pips1> highvoltage, you upgraded to drupal 4.7.0 ?
[07:48] <cbx33> yes
[07:48] <pips1> ah
[07:48] <pips1> did you add any modules yet?
[07:49] <highvoltage> cbx33: what's your ubuntu e-mail address again?
[07:49] <cbx33><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:49] <highvoltage> pips1: yes, and it turns out it doesn't like breezy + any phptemplate themes :/
[07:50] <cbx33> highvoltage, think we shuld standardise page titles wrt capital letters
[07:50] <highvoltage> cbx33: what do you mean?
[07:50] <highvoltage> on the wiki?
[07:50] <cbx33> frequently asked questions
[07:50] <cbx33> 	Edubuntu community
[07:50] <cbx33> just me being fussy
[07:50] <ogra> make it wiki style
[07:51] <highvoltage> ah i see
[07:51] <blue-frog> Michel comment va la mise en place d'edubuntu?
[07:51] <highvoltage> cbx33: no, your right, there should be conformity
[07:51] <pips1> highvoltage, yeah, the changed the default template engine in 4.7 :-/
[07:51] <cbx33> indeed
[07:51] <cbx33> and the new template works....
[07:52] <cbx33> just not on canonical server
[07:52] <highvoltage> cbx33: let's go with /WikiStylePageNames
[07:52] <pips1> cbx33, i see
[07:52] <highvoltage> cbx33: and keep the title inside the pages Proper Case Titles
[07:52] <highvoltage> cbx33: that way we keep everyone happy :)
[07:52] <cbx33> ok sure
[07:53] <highvoltage> cbx33: it works fine on dapper though, as you pointed out :/
[07:53] <pips1> highvoltage, what's the problem re breezy and drupal?
[07:53] <pips1> versions of php/mysql?
[07:54] <cbx33> highvoltage, mine was on breezy
[07:54] <highvoltage> cbx33: you said it was on dapper?
[07:54] <cbx33> nope it was breezy
[07:54] <Burgwork> salut Amaranth
[07:54] <cbx33> i said it work on 4.7.0
[07:55] <ere> I have a problem with LTSP and Ubuntu Dapper (regular ubuntu, not edubuntu). Sound works well with one thin client, but not with an old Compaq deskpro with a ESS1869 audio chip. The driver is not loaded when the client boots. lts.conf countains SOUND = Y, and sound works with the other client. How can I manually load the driver for ESS1869? (the sb module)
[07:55] <highvoltage> hmmm... what can possibly be different on the edubuntu server?
[07:55] <pips1> I would have thought that the versions of php/mysql on breezy should just work fine with 4.7.0
[07:56] <highvoltage> ere: you need a MODULE_01 = sb
[07:56] <highvoltage> in your lts.conf
[07:56] <cbx33> highvoltage, I'm not sure, would be nice...oooh?
[07:56] <pips1> highvoltage, you tried to upgrade the drupal content, right? (rather than doing a complete new install from scratch)
[07:56] <cbx33> had an idea