[12:35] <aaron> http://pastebin.com/m8076026
[12:35] <ardchoille> Karti: That does sound more efficient
[12:35] <Karti> so I have a bit of redundancy
[12:35] <aaron> I've been using that for a while. I use Acronis True Image for Linux now though.
[12:35] <trekdann1> Jaearess: nvm i figured
[12:37] <Karti> aaron: Very nice, I think I get the drift, I use Acronis for the whole drive, but I back up my documents and emails etc
[12:37] <isthisnickvalid_> Hi. I've downloaded Planeshift and I can't execute the installer. I've changed the permissions and it's the same... it says "can not execute the binary". Does anybody know how to execute it?
[12:38] <aaron> that's where my little script comes in handy. you can an independent backup of each day, without wasting space. so you've got a weeks worth of backups on a single drive, with file revisions.
[12:38] <aaron> I really like KDE except, the panel seems ineffecient of it's space. is it possible to move the trash icon into the little "system menu" ?
[12:38] <runlevelten> aaron: You decide how efficient it is.
[12:39] <runlevelten> It's KDE.
[12:39] <aaron> runlevelten: riddle me this then.
[12:39] <ardchoille> I never even use the trash
[12:39] <Karti> aaron: good point, but I like the ability to check back for deleted items, and for a 10pence cd per month, the cost is coooool
[12:39] <runlevelten> I'm missing what you mean by trash icon?
[12:39] <jhutchins> isthisnickvalid_: Perhaps the download is corrupt, have you checked?
[12:39] <aaron> runlevelten: let me take a screener so we're o nthe same page.
[12:39] <isthisnickvalid_> how can I check that?
[12:40] <runlevelten> I have a dim memory of some weird default KDE setup in Kubuntu, but I change KDE settings without even thinking about it on installation :)
[12:40] <runlevelten> aaron: Good idea. :)
[12:40] <jhutchins> md5sum Plane<tab> and compare to md5sum on the site.
[12:40] <jhutchins> isthisnickvalid_: Did you download the right one for your system?
[12:41] <isthisnickvalid_> Yup
[12:41] <isthisnickvalid_> the 32 bit binary
[12:41] <aaron> runlevelten: http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1741/snapshot2kt5.png
[12:41] <aaron> I'm a gnome converter, so bear with me.
[12:41] <aaron> the icons on the right side, it'd be nice if those were smaller, so they'd stack up in two rows.
[12:42] <ardchoille> aaron: That's the notification applet and I don't think you can stack that into two rows
[12:42] <aaron> ha! see! told you so.
[12:42] <runlevelten> OK, well I have my panel at the top, in small size. I replace the taskbar (HUGE waste of screen real estate) with the window list applet  - which is more functional than the gnome one iirc.
[12:43] <aaron> they'll stack if the panel is tall enough
[12:43] <aaron> i have two screens. i like the way gnome handled them
[12:43] <ardchoille> two screens would make my brain melt
[12:43] <aaron> i run 3 at the office.
[12:43] <aaron> :)
[12:43] <aaron> 3x19"
[12:44] <ardchoille> lol
[12:44] <runlevelten> Then I remove the pager (keys and/or mousewheel on desktop to switch)
[12:44] <runlevelten> I too value my screen real estate :)
[12:44] <aaron> window list applet...
[12:44] <aaron> can you post a screenshot of what you've got?
[12:44] <runlevelten> The system tray, I don't know about getting those icons half size
[12:45] <aaron> from what i've found, you cant.
[12:46] <aaron> in gnome, if you've got two application things. one on each screen, if you move an app from screen to screen, it changes which panel it's on
[12:48] <manfred> ???
[12:48] <ubuntu__> i think he means: if you move a window to another deskspace, it doesn't show up in other deskspaces in gnome. right?
[12:49] <aaron> same deskspace, just which monitor.
[12:49] <runlevelten> Do you mean the taskbar aaron?
[12:49] <aaron> monitor 1 and 2 each have thier own panel. and each panel has it's own application thing.
[12:50] <runlevelten> aaron: alt F2  kcontrol  Desktop  Taskbar and uncheck "Show windows from all desktops"
[12:50] <jeffmitchell> hi all, i've got my apache2 server working. but when i access it I get a directory listing of '/var/www' instead of my main page (index.htm) does anyone know how to fix this?
[12:50] <runlevelten> Og, dunno about multiple heads.
[12:50] <aaron> so if i open firefox and put it into screen one, it's on screen ones panel. if i move it to the second screen, it moves to the second screens panel.
[12:50] <aaron> alt+f2 doesn't work on this box for some reason.
[12:50] <ardchoille> jeffmitchell: Shouldn't that be index.html  not .htm ?
[12:51] <janet> hello
[12:51] <runlevelten> run command from k menu does it.
[12:51] <aaron> i know.
[12:51] <aaron> just saying.
[12:51] <ardchoille> hi janet
[12:51] <jeffmitchell> ardchoille: i'll try that. wait one...
[12:51] <janet> can anyone tell the best way to delete a program like dreamweaver ... that is installed through wine? can I just delete the folder wine made?
[12:52] <janet> or will the fake windows directory have encrustaions of dreamweaver in hkey etc
[12:52] <jeffmitchell> ardchoille: thanks! it works. i think i did this another time but forget about it. ha... that sure is annoying...
[12:52] <runlevelten> there'll be an uninstaller.
[12:52] <ardchoille> jeffmitchell: You're welcome
[12:53] <ardchoille> jeffmitchell: Sounds like a Windows habit (.htm)
[12:53] <janet> theres no uninstaller in the c:/program folder that wine made for dreamweaver
[12:54] <jeffmitchell> ardchoille: damn. i sure wouldn't want to get into windows habbits! :D
[12:54] <ardchoille> lol
[12:54] <aaron> well, i've found the one thing gnome was better at :)
[12:55] <ubuntu__> whats that
[12:55] <janet> wish it had an uninstaller
[12:55] <aaron> the panels thing i've been talking about
[12:55] <aaron> id' have to log into gnome and take a screenshot
[12:55] <ubuntu__> i knows what they are ;D
[12:55] <ubuntu__> i just switched from gnome to kde
[12:55] <ubuntu__> kde is better
[12:55] <aaron> kde doesn't like to do the same thing.
[12:56] <runlevelten> janet, type uninstaller
[12:56] <aaron> i totally agree.
[12:56] <janet> kscreenshot ... the key beside backspace
[12:56] <holycow> i replicated all gnome panels in kde
[12:56] <janet> run : type it where?
[12:56] <holycow> they are indeed a superior idea
[12:56] <FiLeBaRoN> i have a question, i have used kubuntu and ubumtu before, i am now running a 64 bit box and i tried to run the live cd to install the amd 64 bit version and after i choose the start or install option the puter spins up the cd shows that it is starting, but then it stops and goes blank then it stops sending a signal to my display and just sits there, does the newest distro have issues with the geforce 8800 series adapter?
[12:56] <holycow> but kde panels are much more flexible so emulating what gnome does is easy
[12:56] <runlevelten> holycow: I needed cheering up. Thanks.
[12:57] <holycow> lol, well you are welcome
[12:57] <FiLeBaRoN> was curious to see if there was a known issue
[12:57] <holycow> runlevelten: you don't happen to work on kde panels?
[12:58] <runlevelten> holycow: No, sorry.
[12:58] <holycow> no prob
[12:59] <aaron> so, anyone know how to add something to the "system menu"
[12:59] <FiLeBaRoN> does anyone have an idea about that?
[12:59] <runlevelten> what's the system menu?
[12:59] <runlevelten> kmenuedit should be able to... well, edit the kmenu, heh
[12:59] <aaron> "menu of important places"
[01:00] <runlevelten> k menu?
[01:00] <aaron> no
[01:00] <aaron> right next to that.
[01:00] <aaron> http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1741/snapshot2kt5.png
[01:00] <aaron> k-menu, trash, system menu.
[01:00] <FiLeBaRoN> this is the adapter i have= Video Card: nVidia GeForce 8800 GTS
[01:01] <NickPresta> is there any way to get coloured results from apt-* commands?
[01:01] <FiLeBaRoN> if anyone can help i would appreciate it
[01:01] <runlevelten> kmenuedit if it's the real system menu.
[01:01] <aaron> it is
[01:01] <runlevelten> then it's just broken off of kmenu.
[01:01] <runlevelten> :)
[01:01] <janet> dreamweaver mostly works for me under wine but still freezes and is buggy... ive followed many wikis to get to this point
[01:02] <janet> anyone else here sucessfully running dreamweaver 8 through wine?
[01:02] <holycow> janet: dreamweaver has never worked for me, even under crossover office
[01:02] <runlevelten> janet: in a console, in the alt+F2 dialog, wherever :)
[01:02] <media> Guys, how do I install the Nvidia drivers in Kubuntu? Im used to Ubuntu where I go to resistricted drivers.
[01:02] <aaron> bah. not in there.
[01:02] <NickPresta> janet, I'm not sure it can be done bug-free. Why do you want to use DreamWeaver anyways?
[01:02] <runlevelten> I used dreamweaver 8 in wine, it worked fine.
[01:02] <NickPresta> !nvidia | media
[01:02] <ubotu> media: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> media: you can get the resctricted-manager..
[01:03] <NickPresta> restricted-manager
[01:03] <FiLeBaRoN> can't get that far
[01:03] <FiLeBaRoN> doesn't complete the live cd loaf
[01:03] <FiLeBaRoN> *load
[01:03] <janet> nick: its for a friends computer, trying to get them off windows and onto linux... the last 2 programs they "need" for business is dreamweaver and photo shop 7
[01:03] <media> norednaekim : Im using Kubuntu, Can't find the resistricted drivers anywhere
[01:03] <runlevelten> If it's the system menu you've got on there, then you can edit the normal kmenu's system subdivision.
[01:04] <runlevelten> What are the options it provides to you now, aaron?
[01:04] <runlevelten> ie one or two :)
[01:04] <janet> i think i finally just got it! followed a good wiki and apt-getted some needed stuff namely wine-dev and now it works great (so far)
[01:04] <FiLeBaRoN> is there a way to bypass the live cd function and just install the os?
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> media: "sudo apt-get install restricted-manager"
[01:05] <runlevelten> photoshop's fine, too.
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> FiLeBaRoN: get the alternate installer
[01:05] <aaron> runlevelten: the system menu thing has "home folder"
[01:05] <runlevelten> but you have to be doing it out of personal choice if you're working with wine.
[01:05] <janet> finding photo shop 7 without it being a virus is another thing  lol
[01:05] <aaron> storage media, remote places and users folders. that's it'
[01:05] <janet> dang non-free programs.. i should insist she learn the gimp
[01:06] <FiLeBaRoN> k, will it install a generic driver for my video card? i already went and downloaded the linux driver for my card from nvidia
[01:06] <runlevelten> Well if it's not what you want, you can create your own menus and attach them instead :)
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> FiLeBaRoN: yep.. generic.
[01:06] <FiLeBaRoN> k
[01:06] <runlevelten> Oh, that's the system menu applet
[01:07] <FiLeBaRoN> oh, last question
[01:07] <FiLeBaRoN> does the live cd dislike striped raid
[01:07] <media> nosredanekim : says I need Python & Synatic when I try that command
[01:07] <aaron> runlevelten: hang on. i'm going to log into gnome.
[01:08] <media> nosredanekim : Can I install them from Add/Remove? or can I enter a switch on that command to get them as well?
[01:08] <FiLeBaRoN> whats the link i need to download the alternative installer?
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> media: do you have the bandwidth to get them?
[01:08] <media> nosredanekim : Yes, No problems
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> media: oh, you can.. its just a bit easier from the restrcied manager.
[01:09] <runlevelten> aaron, that's in kdeprefix/share/apps/systemview
[01:09] <runlevelten> oh, he went.
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> or you coul go test the restrcictedmanager from fiesty ;)
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> *gutsy
[01:09] <FiLeBaRoN> whats the link i need to download the alternative installer?
[01:09] <runlevelten> oh, he came back, heheh
[01:09] <aaron> i'm back.
[01:09] <runlevelten> aaron, that's in kdeprefix/share/apps/systemview
[01:09] <aaron> where's that?
[01:09] <runlevelten> so the global settings for the system are in /usr/share/apps/systemview
[01:10] <aaron> oh. i see.
[01:10] <runlevelten> if you wanted a "personal system menu", you'd put the links in a folder named ~/.kde/shaer/apps/systemview/
[01:10] <media> nosredanekim : Ive been using Ubuntu for a few months now. Love it but just putting Kubuntu on my media PC and really could do with the resistricted drivers panel.
[01:10] <runlevelten> s/folder/directory
[01:10] <cjh> hey, my dvdRW shows up in my BIOs, but not my  Hardware manager.  Is this a driver issue?
[01:10] <runlevelten> caveat: if you create a personal one, it will replace the global one, so you'd want to include any links you wanted to keep in there :)
[01:11] <runlevelten> from the global one
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> cjh: most likely
[01:12] <cjh> nosrednaekim: Think the forum would be my best bet?
[01:12] <nosrednaekim> cjh: probably, more people with similar hardware would see it
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> cjh: did you install linux of of this drive?
[01:13] <aaron> runlevelten: http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/870/snapshot3fr2.png <- that's how panels should work.
[01:13] <aaron> note the application applets are different, and only show what is in each respective screen
[01:13] <cjh> nosrednaekim: No, I installed it off of the primary.  The slave is the one giving trouble.
[01:13] <runlevelten> I don't really like Microsoft Windows.
[01:14] <aaron> ?
[01:14] <ardchoille> aaron: Keep in mind, that's your opinion.. I can't stand that setup
[01:14] <aaron> :)
[01:14] <runlevelten> Oooooh, it's Gnome. Sorry.
[01:14] <Goats> I'm getting errors about modules and X isn't come up.
[01:14] <kondeDrakul> how format diskette in floppy drive?
[01:14] <aaron> back to kde.
[01:15] <Goats> Can I put the errors here?
[01:15] <Goats> It is only about 17 lines.
[01:15] <ardchoille> !paste | Goats
[01:15] <ubotu> Goats: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:15] <Goats> Okay hold on.
[01:16] <cjh> I am trying to install a mepis version so I could get my drivers to work right...but the drivers I need won't work right until I can install mepis...
[01:16] <ardchoille> Goats: iirc, the rule is "more than 3 lines must go to pastebin#.
[01:16] <cjh> kubuntu is too orange.
[01:16] <nosrednaekim> too what?
[01:16] <ardchoille> cjh: How did you get orange in kubuntu>
[01:16] <ardchoille> ?
[01:16] <ardchoille> default is blue
[01:16] <aaron> installed ubuntu, and then ran apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:16] <kondeDrakul> nosrednaekim,how format diskette in floppy drive?
[01:17] <Qaira> hello all, does the dvd version of Kubuntu 7.04 come with most of the packages? like for programming and so on?
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> !floppy
[01:17] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[01:17] <ardchoille> cjh: sounds like you're using Ubuntu
[01:18] <runlevelten> I think what you're calling panels are taskbars.
[01:18] <BluesKaj> hehe yep , kubuntu uses kde desktop, ubuntu uses gnome-orange/brown
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> Qaira: probably. there is proabably a place that lists all the packages on it
[01:19] <Qaira> nosrednaekim: ok
[01:19] <Goats> Okay, I got it posted now.
[01:19] <Goats> Post the link?
[01:19] <inaety__> are there any Java IDE's written in Qt?    The stuff in it is completely arbitrary.
[01:20] <Goats> How am I going to fix X?
[01:20] <runlevelten> Anyway. :)
[01:20] <Goats> Do I need these?
[01:20] <Goats> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34354/
[01:20] <cjh> 7.04 doesn't have KDE4.  Is the only way to get KDE4 to burn to DVD?
[01:20] <Goats> I started getting the http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34354/ errors after an apt-get upgrade.
[01:21] <BluesKaj> !ops
[01:21] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[01:21] <Goats> ?
[01:21] <Goats> What is wrong?
[01:21] <PriceChild> BluesKaj, ?
[01:21] <nixternal> BluesKaj: ?
[01:21] <Goats> nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34354/ Why is this X not working?
[01:21] <janet> if you can launch a wine program from terminal with :   wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp   ...  how do you make an icon on the desktop that does that without going to terminal
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: ?
[01:22] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34354/
[01:22] <cjh> actually.  sudo apt-get install kde  ?
[01:22] <nixternal> BluesKaj: thanks!
[01:22] <cjh> for kubuntu equivalent?
[01:22] <BluesKaj> NP
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> ah...be more specific :)
[01:22] <aaron> runlevelten: the clock takes up too much space too :)
[01:22] <BluesKaj> the pic tells it all
[01:22] <PriceChild> Thankyou BluesKaj
[01:22] <PriceChild> lets not spread it though :)
[01:23] <NickPresta> XD @ Goats. I've never seen that before (the attempt). The name should've given it away though.
[01:23] <BluesKaj> no
[01:23] <runlevelten> Not if you configure it right.
[01:23] <janet> how can I make a clickable script that will open the wine program with the command : wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:23] <runlevelten> I'll take a screenie in a sec :)
[01:23] <aaron> runlevelten: thanks.
[01:23] <Biovore> janet: can make a shell script and just click on it..
[01:23] <el_taco> what's the kde equiv of gksu?
[01:23] <NickPresta> el_taco, kdesu
[01:24] <janet> sorry for newbism but how do i make a shell script?
[01:24] <el_taco> NickPresta I feel stupid
[01:24] <kondeDrakul> !floppy
[01:24] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[01:24] <aaron> darnit, where was the systemmenu thing?
[01:24] <aaron> usr/share
[01:24] <cjh> So will KDE added on standard Ubuntu be the equivalent of Kubuntu?
[01:25] <janet> when i say add application to desktop and put wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp under command nothing happens
[01:25] <aaron> you'll have a lot of extra gnome apps.
[01:25] <hitmanWilly> cjh: more or less
[01:25] <Biovore> cjh: yes
[01:25] <janet> if i tye wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp in terminal dreamwaever launches
[01:25] <BluesKaj> el_taco,kdesu
[01:25] <kondeDrakul> nosrednaekim,i mounted the floppy but how format it?
[01:25] <BluesKaj> oops
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> janet: you have to be in the right directory though..
[01:26] <BluesKaj> <-- abit slow tonite
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> !format
[01:26] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[01:26] <janet> yes in terminal i have to be in the right directory
[01:26] <janet> but i want to make a shortcut that does the wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp command for me
[01:26] <janet> off the desktop
[01:27] <Biovore> you can..
[01:27] <Biovore> cd ~/Desktop/
[01:27] <Biovore> and make a shell script there..  it should show up on the desktop..
[01:28] <janet> do i need more than a text editor to make the script?
[01:28] <Biovore> or make a shell script in put in somewhere in your home directory and create a icon (desktop link) to it..
[01:28] <Biovore> janet: yes..
[01:28] <Biovore> Should be the following 2 lines..
[01:28] <janet> whats a good script editor?
[01:28] <janet> ok
[01:28] <Biovore> #!/bin/bash

[01:28] <Biovore> then make the file as +x (make it executable)
[01:29] <cjh> What is gnomes HD Formater?
[01:29] <Biovore> no clue.. try #ubuntu
[01:29] <cjh> oh sorry, wrong window.
[01:29] <Biovore> :-P
[01:29] <janet> whats the name of an editor for scripts?
[01:29] <janet> thx btw
[01:29] <aaron> nano
[01:30] <el_taco> janet I like jed for console or jedit for a gui
[01:30] <stoned> !w32codecs
[01:30] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[01:30] <el_taco> not same app..
[01:30] <cjh> janet: What kind of script?
[01:30] <janet> to open a wine file
[01:31] <janet> wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp  is the command
[01:31] <janet> when i do that from terminal in the right directory it works perfect
[01:31] <Biovore> I use kate..  any text editor will work..
[01:31] <Biovore> janet: just make a script that has the same line it..
[01:31] <Biovore> should work..
[01:32] <ninhobomba> im trying to play battle for wesnoth on two computers. Both download from adept but  one gets version 1.2.3 and the other one 1.2.5... so we cannot play..why could this be?
[01:32] <janet> what would the whole script look like ?
[01:32] <stoned> ih
[01:32] <janet> sorry for being a pest
[01:32] <NickPresta> janet, http://pastebin.com/m2ef03c55
[01:32] <aaron> runlevelten: where was that system menu? /usr/share/somethingsoemthign
[01:33] <runlevelten> kdeprefix/share/apps/systemview
[01:33] <NickPresta> janet, create a directory called "bin" in your home directory (/home/username/bin). save that script there. Call it startDW (no extension). Then, chmod it (`chmod +x startDW`).
 --^  is all pastebin said
[01:33] <BluesKaj> stoned , actaually the seveas repos has been very slow lately , the medibuntu repos seems a lot more reliable lately
[01:33] <runlevelten> so /usr/share/apps/systemview or ~/.kde/share/apps/systemview
[01:34] <cjh> is it possible to download any fille in a terminal?
[01:34] <aaron> yes
[01:34] <cjh> explain, if you don't mind.
[01:35] <janet> says i cant private message due to unregged user
[01:35] <aaron> what do you want to download?
[01:35] <cjh> Let's say a .flac or .mp4
[01:36] <janet> nickpresta the pastebin addy gave an error and only contained --^  and </div>
[01:36] <stoned> BluesKaj: hmm
[01:36] <NickPresta> janet, I'm creating instructions now. Hold on
[01:36] <stoned> i had to switch to 32bit
[01:37] <stoned> for the time being, but soon as I figure out how to run 32bit mplayer in amd64 i'll be set
[01:37] <stoned> and not with a 32bit chroot env.
[01:37] <cjh> aaron: flac / mp4
[01:37] <aaron> ok
[01:38] <aaron> wget http://server.com/file.mp3
[01:38] <janet> thx presta
[01:38] <ninhobomba> im trying to play battle for wesnoth on two computers. Both download from adept but  one gets version 1.2.3 and the other one 1.2.5... so we cannot play..why could this be?
[01:38] <cjh> that's it?   Is there a /directory after?
[01:38] <aaron> it will download into your current directory
[01:39] <NickPresta> janet, http://pastebin.ca/663895
[01:40] <BluesKaj> stoned, I've heard others compalin about seveas access probs
[01:40] <stoned> BluesKaj: it worked just fine
[01:40] <cjh> I am sleeping with gnomes sister.
[01:40] <stoned> I just now installed it and it was quite speedy in the download
[01:40] <galathalion> o_O
[01:41] <NickPresta> janet, for step 5, the path should be "/home/YOURUSERNAME/bin/runDW". Sorry about that
[01:41] <BluesKaj> stoned, good ,then they fixed the probs
[01:41] <stoned> BluesKaj: I think so my good man
[01:41] <janet> presta I had to open the link in konqueror ,, now i see it properly, firefox gave an error
[01:42] <ninhobomba_> im trying to play battle for wesnoth on two computers. Both download from adept but  one gets version 1.2.3 and the other one 1.2.5... so we cannot play..why could this be?
[01:43] <hitmanWilly> ninhobomba_: are you running different versions on the two machines?
[01:43] <ninhobomba_> both are kubuntu 7.04
[01:43] <ninhobomba_> up to date
[01:43] <hitmanWilly> different arch? ie one amd 64 and one i386?
[01:44] <cjh> any one know any good Public Access Unix systems?
[01:44] <janet> presta im working on it thanks for the clear instructions
[01:44] <hitmanWilly> cjh: uhh, the internet?
[01:44] <cjh> hitmanWilly: What does that mean?
[01:45] <ninhobomba_> one is amd turionx2, laptop, the other is amd x2 desktop...
[01:45] <hitmanWilly> cjh: the internet runs mostly on unix/linux servers, it was a bad attempt at a joke, sorry
[01:46] <cjh> hitmanWilly: I wish all servers could be accessed like Unix was intended instead of being simply a host. Especially KDE friendly. (Saying so I don't get yelled at)
[01:47] <runlevelten> Right, where was I?
[01:47] <ninhobomba_> hitmanWilly: one is amd turionx2, laptop, the other is amd x2 desktop...
[01:47] <runlevelten> Ah yeah, screenie.
[01:48] <hitmanWilly> ninhobomba_: hmmm, if you're running the same distro version on both, it should download the same version, did you alter sources.list on either one?
[01:49] <parsnip> hi guys
[01:51] <ninhobomba_> hitmanWilly: only adding repos on the sources.list
[01:51] <janet> presta now when i run runDW it says wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\Dreamweaver.exe": Module not found
[01:51] <runlevelten> http://www.mediafire.com/?cene1wyt6sb
[01:51] <janet> sorry for paste
[01:51] <runlevelten> Oh, spot the deliberate mistake btw, heh
[01:51] <janet> in the script do i have to say the ./wine/drivec/programfiles/macromedia  etc
[01:51] <eric_> hi
[01:52] <janet> when executing
[01:52] <hitmanWilly> ninhobomba_: well, that could be the problem there, if a repo enabled on one machine has a newer version than the default repos, it will download that one, the simplest solution would be to sync sources.list on both machines
[01:52] <doug_> hey, i have kubuntu installed on my hard drive, but every time i run sudo apt-get "package" it asks me to put in the live-cd
[01:52] <parsnip> is there any way of mass renaming files to remove aaaastring from the filenames?
[01:52] <doug_> why does it need it?  it didn't before
[01:52] <runlevelten> Guys - generally with wine shortcuts, change to the directory containing your executables first, mkay?
[01:52] <runlevelten> so cd /path/to/app && wine app.exe
[01:52] <ninhobomba_> hitmanWilly: i'll try that.
[01:52] <parsnip> doug_: try sudo apt-get update
[01:53] <ardchoille> janet: You have to specify the full path unless you "cd" first in a script, yes
[01:53] <ninhobomba_> hitmanWilly: thanks.
[01:53] <hitmanWilly> ninhobomba_: np
[01:53] <janet> so my script so far is this: http://pastebin.ca/663888
[01:53] <runlevelten> aaron ^
[01:53] <parsnip> doug_: any better??
[01:53] <joseph111> i am a newbie at this ubuntu think....does this channel really help me get better?
[01:54] <janet> and iwhen i run it it says cant find C:/ etcso can i ad that to the second line of the script
[01:54] <parsnip> joseph111: If you ask what you are havig difficulty with, yes it will
[01:54] <doug_> parsnip: i think it worked lol
[01:54] <doug_> thanks
[01:54] <joseph111> thanx
[01:54] <parsnip> doug_: no worries amn, I always run an update before installing
[01:54] <parsnip> doug_: you may want to run sudo apt-get upgrade too
[01:54] <parsnip> doug_: to fully update your system
[01:55] <doug_> parsnip: cool thanks
[01:55] <aaron> janet, you're going ot have to give it the whole path to the file
[01:55] <runlevelten> janet: cd /home/you/.wine/drive_c/path/to/dreamweaver && wine Dreamweaver.exe -winver winxp
[01:55] <aaron> like that.
[01:55] <joseph111> im using a vm for my ubuntu...win xp is my host. my wireless adapter isnt supported in ubuntu so i have to bridge network connections. Now, if i wanted to set up a wireless network would i have to do it on win xp or ubuntu?
[01:55] <runlevelten> replace the /home/you/.wine/drive_c/path/to/dreamweaver with the actual directory dreamweaver is in.
[01:56] <runlevelten> Don't use C: and all that jazz, use the real directory name :)
[01:56] <janet> and that goes in the launch script?
[01:56] <runlevelten> yeah
[01:56] <janet> ok brb
[01:57] <runlevelten> joseph111: I'm not a vmware expert, but you shouldn't have to get into what the real hardware is with vmware.
[01:58] <joseph111> ok thanx.
[01:58] <aaron> joseph111: set it up in windows.
[01:58] <runlevelten> provide the network capability in the host OS, then the pretend network card in the guest will be workable :)
[01:58] <aaron> or set it to NAT.
[01:58] <joseph111> ok kool that will work i think'
[01:59] <joseph111> wats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu 7.04
[01:59] <aaron> kde and gnome
[01:59] <joseph111> i have no idea wat kde is and wat gnome is
[02:00] <aaron> then shut your eyes and pick one.
[02:00] <aaron> :)
[02:00] <joseph111> lol
[02:00] <joseph111> and xubuntu is that gnome too?
[02:00] <aaron> no
[02:00] <aaron> that's XFCE
[02:00] <joseph111> ok ill google them
[02:00] <cjh> I have Ubuntu, but KDE is now installed.  How do I switch to the KDE Desktop?
[02:00] <aaron> gnome, kde, or xfce are everything beyond the command line.
[02:00] <janet> i think its getting hung up at the folder name dreamweaver 8  ... is there a way i can write that properly?
[02:00] <aaron> the graphical part.
[02:00] <parsnip> is there anyway to remove a word from the filename a whole bunch of files in a folder?
[02:00] <parsnip> does anyone know at all?
[02:01] <aaron> i do in windows :)
[02:01] <parsnip> aaron: do tell please, it may help
[02:01] <ardchoille> parsnip: You can use a for loop
[02:02] <joseph111> i have another question. i have about 80 gig of hd, should i or shouldnt i run 3 operating systems at once?
[02:02] <janet> is there a way I can write the folder name dreamweaver 8 so that terminal will accept it as a file path?
[02:02] <parsnip> joseph111: you can run as many as you can store on the drive
[02:02] <aaron> i use mass file renamer
[02:03] <parsnip> aaron: I'm using linux unfortunately and the command line is far more powerful, I'm just trying to learn som e new stuff without having to rename it manually
[02:04] <aaron> then you'd better learn awk, and regular expressions
[02:05] <runlevelten> Ah.
[02:05] <runlevelten> Did you get that last comment aaron?
[02:05] <aaron> yup
[02:05] <aaron> where is the trash folder?
[02:05] <ardchoille> trash:/  (in konq)
[02:06] <aaron> naw, the real folder
[02:06] <aaron> the actual location
[02:06] <Biovore> ~/.trash I think..
[02:06] <joseph111> is there any way to change my ubuntu from gnome to xfce or to kde. i want to try all of them out?
[02:06] <Biovore> maybe ~/.kde/trash
[02:06] <parsnip> aaron: yeah im working on it
[02:06] <aaron> ah. big T
[02:06] <ardchoille> ~/.local/share/Trash
[02:06] <Biovore> joseph111: yes.. apt-get install ubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop
[02:06] <parsnip> aaron: i can use the gui, I just fancied some command line hints :)
[02:06] <joseph111> that easy?
[02:06] <Biovore> yup
[02:06] <aaron> for that, i'd choose the gui
[02:06] <runlevelten> Yep
[02:07] <Biovore> all the ubuntus are the same except for the front end gui
[02:07] <aaron> joseph111: that just installs them.
[02:07] <joseph111> then to go back i do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop ????
[02:07] <Biovore> yup
[02:07] <aaron> the screen where you put your username and passowrd in, that's where you choose which one you want to use.
[02:07] <joseph111> ok u said that just installs them
[02:07] <joseph111> what do i have to do next?
[02:07] <Biovore> that will install gnome and xface ubuntu setups
[02:08] <runlevelten> joseph111: what aaron said
[02:08] <joseph111> so i install then i get to chose which to use at startup?
[02:08] <Biovore> logout.. and maybe reboot. . (don't need a reboot, just might be the simplest way for someone new to ubuuntu)
[02:08] <ardchoille> You chose which desktop you want to use by selecting it at the login screen
[02:08] <aaron> ctrl+alt+backspace
[02:08] <joseph111> oh ok thanx people. u are all very helpfull unlike other channels
[02:08] <runlevelten> on that screen, you choose your desktop of choice for that sesh from the "session" menu
[02:08] <jerod> ciao
[02:08] <jerod> @lista
[02:09] <jerod> !list
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[02:09] <aaron> !sleep
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[02:09] <parsnip> aaron: got it
[02:09] <runlevelten> That's something I must do.
[02:09] <parsnip> aaron: mv -v "$FILE" `echo $FILE | tr ' ' '_' `
[02:10] <janet> if im in terminal and im trying to write a folder name called dreamweaver 8  , how can i write the folder name without having the space between dreamweaver and 8 ???  thx
[02:10] <joseph111> if i dont like the xubuntu desktop do i unistall it the normal way?
[02:10] <aaron> yes.
[02:11] <ardchoille> janet: You need to escape spaces with a "\"  so "dreamweaver 8" would be "dreamweaver\ 8"
[02:11] <ardchoille> or 'dreamweaver 8'
[02:11] <janet> cheers
[02:11] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly: like a cli version of krename ?
[02:12] <hitmanWilly> oh, there's one already, heh...
[02:12] <ardchoille> well, it's a gui, but yeah
[02:12] <hitmanWilly> well, a cli version would be nice too
[02:12] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly: Tho, an interactive bash script would be cool
[02:13] <janet> if i was trying to enter /home/janet/.wine/drive_c  etc  should i start witha / before /home?
[02:13] <janet> cd /home/janet/.wine ... is that right?
[02:13] <ardchoille> There are times when I don't even run xorg, just screen+irssi+elinks+mutt. My xorg was broke once and I was like "pfft, I'll fix it next week.
[02:14] <hitmanWilly> it wouldn't even need to be interactive, batch-rn <add or strip> <dir> <string_to_add_remove>
[02:14] <ardchoille> janet: yes, you need "/" before home
[02:14] <ardchoille> janet: That tells the system to start in the /home dir
[02:14] <Biovore> janet: yes..
[02:14] <hitmanWilly> probably with a recursive flag as well
[02:15] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly: Well, you'd need to allow the user to specify what they wanted to strip/add no?
[02:15] <ardchoille> Maybe using case in the script?
[02:15] <ardchoille> or return?
[02:15] <hitmanWilly> yeah, but most cli users could handle that...
[02:15] <hitmanWilly> something along those lines...
[02:16] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly:  http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/39023
[02:16] <BluesKaj> "and I was like"...i guess that expression subs for " I thought" :) , but don't mind me I'm just old and grumpy ,and believe in the best english sentence structure, and grammar possible.
[02:17] <hitmanWilly> oh well, just thinking out loud, more or less
[02:17] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly: you could augment the script so that it can also change file extensions
[02:17] <ardchoille> hitmanWilly:  http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/39024
[02:17] <hitmanWilly> ardchoille: yeah, that was definately something i was planning
[02:18] <hitmanWilly> dang, this script is getting longer by the minute, lol
[02:18] <ardchoille> lol!
[02:18] <runlevelten> batch rename scripts do.
[02:19] <linux_user400354> could someone tell me the command to turn compiz fusion off? compiz --replace emerald turned it on
[02:19] <linux_user400354>  i tried compiz --replace metacity and that didnt work
[02:20] <Biovore> #beryl
[02:20] <Biovore> !beryl
[02:20] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:20] <Biovore> see #ubuntu-effects
[02:22] <runlevelten> night all.
[02:23] <tobias> linux_user400354: you might just want to relog?! :o
[02:23] <joseph> i did sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop
[02:23] <tobias> or if you find another possibility - tell me please
[02:23] <joseph> then nothing showed on restart
[02:23] <tobias> "nothing" ?
[02:23] <joseph> didnt ask whether i wanted xubuntu or gnome
[02:23] <Biovore> there is an option for session
[02:24] <Biovore> you have to select it when you log in.. its a menu
[02:24] <joseph> it loaded normally onto my gnome but no option for xfce
[02:24] <tobias>  in your loginscreen
[02:24] <tobias> there is menue
[02:24] <tobias> as Biovore said already
[02:24] <tobias> ._.
[02:24] <ardchoille> joseph: You have to choose it from the Session menu item in the login screen
[02:24] <joseph> ok seesion
[02:24] <joseph> wats the session name?
[02:24] <Biovore> xfce
[02:24] <joseph> is it xclient?
[02:24] <Biovore> gnome
[02:24] <Biovore> kde
[02:24] <ardchoille> KDE or gnome or xfce ?
[02:24] <joseph> i did not see any of those when i tried that
[02:25] <linux_user400354> tobias: metacity --replace does the trick
[02:25] <joseph> i will check again. can i just do a log out user then select it or i need restart?
[02:25] <tobias> linux_user400354: kay thanks
[02:25] <Biovore> yeah.. just log out and check..
[02:25] <ardchoille> joseph: don't need a restart
[02:25] <tobias> logout is enough
[02:25] <ardchoille> restart isn't really needed unless you're doing kernel work, is it?
[02:26] <tobias> correct
[02:26] <tobias>  :)
[02:26] <ardchoille> Thought so
[02:31] <janet> thanks a million for all your help creating a script to launch a wine program
[02:32] <janet> very much appreciated
[02:32] <ardchoille> :)
[02:32] <ardchoille> janet: Once you learn how to make your own scripts, the possibilities are endless.
[02:32] <janet> i just needed to get the path to filename all correct (noi easy task)
[02:33] <ardchoille> I made one that sets up the system after a fresh install, requiring me to be in front of the computer for a total of ten minutes after a fresh install.
[02:34] <drew_> i need a little help with bryl
[02:34] <ardchoille> drew_: You might wanna join #ubuntu-effects
[02:34] <drew_> otay'
[02:36] <drew_> it wont connect
[02:36] <drew_> thats great for me
[02:36] <ardchoille> drew_: What won't connect?
[02:37] <drew_> i cant connect to #ubuntu-effects
[02:37] <drew_> name lookup fails
[02:37] <drew_> -_-
[02:37] <BluesKaj> drew_, in the server textbox type /join #ubuntu-effects
[02:37] <ardchoille> I used "/join #ubuntu-effects" and there's 77 people there
[02:38] <ardchoille> or ctrl+j in konversation
[02:38] <dwidmann> rather than /join blah blah blah, why not just clikc it if you're using a graphical IRC program
[02:39] <dwidmann> blue text = link :)
[02:39] <ardchoille> dwidmann: Ah, never knew konv did that, cool
[02:39] <jhutchins> dwidmann: blue text = YOUR client.
[02:39] <BluesKaj> doesn't always work , dwidmann
[02:39] <joseph> whenever i install something, it says that it will use x amound to hd space.....when i sudo apt-get remove something, it says it will free y amount of space.....why is it that my y amount of freed space is so much less than x....am i only removing the package???
[02:39] <dwidmann> jhutchins: indeed, t hough, Konversation is really common in here I would suppose.
[02:40] <dwidmann> anyhow, brb, gonna switch to my lappy
[02:40] <ardchoille> joseph: Are you also removing any deps and conf files?
[02:40] <jhutchins> Yeah, not surprizing that not a lot of people are using kopete.
[02:40] <joseph> i have no idea im a newb...i just want to completely remove xubuntu-desktop but it said it only freed 41 k  of hd which seems very small
[02:41] <jhutchins> Free space needed includes scripts that are deleted when the install is done, temp files that get removed, etc.
[02:41] <ardchoille> joseph: sudo apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove xubuntu-desktop ?   You might look at what that removes before actually hitting the enter key.
[02:42] <joseph> does sudo apt-get remove "something"  actually remove the entire program or is it just equivalent to deleting the install file on windows
[02:42] <ardchoille> "-purge" removes conf files, "--auto-remove" removes deps that are no longer needed.
[02:43] <joseph> so if i install xubuntu desktop and dont want it, wat would i type to completely remove everything to do wiht it?
[02:43] <ardchoille> joseph: remove should remove the package, but, by itself, wont remove conf files and deps
[02:43] <ardchoille> joseph: You want to return to kde?
[02:43] <jhutchins> joseph: remove actually removes most of the installed files and runs a script to remove entries in config files, startup, cronjobs, etc.
[02:43] <joseph> i want to stay on gnome
[02:44] <ardchoille> joseph:  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[02:44] <jhutchins> joseph: If you've modified config files, or if they were automatically modified for your system, or if you have per-user config files, those aren't delted by a standard remove.
[02:44] <dwidmann> okay, I'm back.
[02:44] <tobias> good night everyone
[02:44] <joseph> ok thanx
[02:44] <jhutchins> joseph: Also see #ubuntu, this is support for the kde version.
[02:46] <joseph> ok umm is there a way for me to check how much hd space i have in ubuntu?
[02:46] <ardchoille> joseph: df   (or man df)
[02:46] <joseph> thanx
[02:47] <dwidmann> another good way is with filelight
[02:47] <joseph> is dev/hda1 the main hard drive?
[02:47] <ardchoille> joseph: normally
[02:48] <ardchoille> joseph: hda1 is the first partiton on the master drive on the first IDE channel
[02:48] <jhutchins> joseph: mount will tell you what partition is what
[02:48] <dwidmann> normally on older systems ... not so much so on newer ones ...
[02:48] <jhutchins> joseph: fdisk -l will show you all the partitions.
[02:50] <joseph> i did a test, fore install xchat then i removed xchat and now its up to 3113416k     usi had used up 3107904 k  beed up hd .....how do i get it back to 3107904
[02:50] <joseph> damn i cant type let me rephrase that
[02:50] <ardchoille> lol
[02:51] <ardchoille> joseph: Did you also remove deps, conf files and ~/.xchat  ?
[02:51] <joseph> before installing xchat, i had 3107904 hd used up, after sudo apt-get remove xchat  i have 3113416k   why am i not back down to 3107904k
[02:52] <joseph> im a newb just started lkinux 3 days ago
[02:52] <ardchoille> joseph: What was installed along with xchat?
[02:52] <joseph> just give me the command to totaly wipe the files
[02:52] <joseph> not sure
[02:52] <mrksbrd> jhutchins....I found out what that problem was earlier
[02:53] <mrksbrd> when i have it set to burn right after downloading somehow some way it screws up the iso
[02:53] <dwidmann> joseph: it probably had loads of dependencies to install along with ...
[02:53] <ardchoille> joseph: Try this, see how much hd space you have, the,  "sudo apt-get install xchat" see how much it uses. Then "sudo apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove xchat" and see how much you have.
[02:54] <joseph> so that should work right?
[02:54] <ardchoille> That's what I do, has been good for me for a while.
[02:54] <joseph> ok ill try
[02:54] <ardchoille> joseph: Also, "rm -r ~/.xchat" if you won't be using it any longer.
[02:55] <joseph> wats that rm thing do
[02:55] <joseph> ur sudo apt-get remove--purge--auto-remove xchat doesnt work
[02:56] <joseph> invalid operation
[02:56] <BluesKaj> rm = remove
[02:57] <ardchoille> joseph: sudo apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove   (mind the spaces)
[02:57] <joseph> so that "rm -r ~/.xchat    removes the folders?
[02:57] <joseph> oh ok thanx didnt seethose spaces
[02:57] <BluesKaj> from you home folder
[02:57] <ardchoille> joseph: That removes any xchat files you have in your $HOME
[02:58] <ardchoille> joseph: Keep in mind that most people have 200+gb hard drives and will never fill them up. Mine are 250gb x 2 (hda and hdb) and I have never used more than 25% of either drive.
[02:59] <dwidmann> ardchoille: I'd say that only really effects people who have gotten computers in the last couple of years really
[02:59] <joseph> nice. i got a lousy 80 gig
[02:59] <dedi> my video playback has a lot of small hangs, stops for about an half second. tried ati and fglrx drivers, tried also diffrent output modules. amd 3200+ 64bit with ati x800 on kubuntu feisty
[02:59] <joseph> and im running double os
[03:00] <ardchoille> dwidmann: Well, I have never usedmore than 20 gb on any of my boxes and I have been with Linux since 2001
[03:00] <joseph> i have an external with 250 gb but its only ntfs
[03:00] <dwidmann> I've been known to fill hard drives when I put my mind to it. Virtual machines take up a lot of space.
[03:01] <ardchoille> joseph: Would be cool to buy a 250+gb and use it as your main drive and use that 80gb as a storage device for backups or something :)
[03:01] <ardchoille> I use hdb to store daily backups
[03:01] <dwidmann> Could probably get a 500gb hdd on tiger direct if it's on sale.
[03:01] <joseph> ya tru but im on a laptop so external would be slow
[03:01] <ardchoille> true
[03:01] <dwidmann> **for $100
[03:01] <ardchoille> joseph: Ah, lappy? Didn't know that.
[03:02] <joseph> externals are slow and unfortunately i have one that cant be reformatted
[03:02] <dwidmann> ack, laptop hdds are expensive and always have lower capacity ... they also tend to be slow.
[03:02] <dwidmann> I've got a 160gb 5400rpm ...
[03:02] <ardchoille> joseph: I've never heard of a drive that can't be formatted
[03:03] <joseph> i have one of those 250 gb fantom drives with ntfs and on the box it said wont work with linux...ubuntu can get files from it though, but it cant write files to it.....i also right clicked the drive on windows and clicked format but only one choice showed up, "ntfs"
[03:05] <ardchoille> Won't work with Linux? I don't think that's possible.. it's just a device. Yeah, Windows doesn't want you using anything but their setup, so it won't show anything else. I bet that device can be formatted to ext3 easily.
[03:05] <dwidmann> joseph: it can, but it will take a bit of work
[03:05] <dwidmann> !ntfs | joseph
[03:05] <ubotu> joseph: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:05] <Biovore> ardchoille: yes it can :-)
[03:06] <joseph> ok how would i go about reformating this evil drive
[03:06] <BluesKaj> joseph, do you have a partition editor live cd like GParted ...you could try it to reformat the drive
[03:06] <dwidmann> !ntfs-3g | joseph
[03:06] <ubotu> joseph: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[03:06] <joseph> thanx ubotu ill look it up
[03:06] <dwidmann> I vote for nuking the drive the good old fashioned way, with fdisk.
[03:06] <ardchoille> !bot | joseph
[03:06] <ubotu> joseph: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot.  I have never tried it though..
[03:09] <dwidmann> ardchoille: easier though it may be, that's typically not as reliable.
[03:09] <ardchoille> gparted is good too
[03:09] <joseph> yes give me something with a gui its easier for now
[03:09] <joseph> ok ill get gparted
[03:09] <Biovore> qparted should be installed
[03:09] <ardchoille> joseph: If you're running gnome, look into using gparted.
[03:09] <dwidmann> qtparted is on the live cd
[03:10] <ardchoille> atparted for kde
[03:10] <Biovore> I know it will do USB devices..  I use the live cd to install ubuntu onto a USB hardisk.. and then boot from the usb hardisk..
[03:10] <joseph> gnome here <<<<<<
[03:10] <ardchoille> gparted
[03:10] <ardchoille> Is gparted on the ubuntu livecd?
[03:10] <Biovore> yup
[03:11] <ardchoille> Ah, cool.. saves him work
[03:11] <Biovore> he could just install linux on the usb harddisk.. if his bios support USB boot..
[03:11] <joseph> ok where is gparted, i just installed it and tried alt+f2 but it said i needed root access or something
[03:11] <ardchoille> joseph: gksudo gparted
[03:11] <joseph> wat does the gk do?
[03:12] <ardchoille> !gksudo
[03:12] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application>  See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo for more info
[03:12] <ardchoille> that is a graphical "sudo"
[03:12] <joseph> ok thanx ill plug in my hd
[03:13] <ardchoille> joseph: And, if you're planning on sticking with gnome, you might want to also join #ubuntu
[03:14] <BluesKaj> Biovore, qtparted is on the ubuntu live cd , not GParted '
[03:14] <joseph> oh ok lol i didnt know i was on kubuntu lol
[03:14] <intelikey> i want to use xmessage from a console    what has to change for that to work ?
[03:14] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: A qt admin app on the Ubuntu live cd?
[03:15] <BluesKaj> check your kubuntu live cd
[03:15] <flaccid> anyone got cisco vpn client going under gutsy
[03:15] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: We we referring to the Ubuntu live cd, not Kubuntu
[03:15] <BluesKaj> GParted is on the Ubuntu live cd ...sorry
[03:15] <joseph> i dont know why they need ubuntu xubuntu and kubuntu channels....they are all the same..only the look is different
[03:16] <ardchoille> YEah, that has confused me a time or two also
[03:16] <BluesKaj> ok , my mistake ...I'l go back ti the Kubuntu Corner :)
[03:16] <ardchoille> joseph: Well, it's good to separate the desktop envs, I've seen over a thousand folks in #ubuntu
[03:16] <BluesKaj> I usually assume ppl are talking Kubuntu stuff in here :)
[03:17] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: I was a bit ot I think, sorry
[03:17] <joseph> ok umm my gparted cant find the external hd...any of u know a good windows partitioner
[03:17] <intelikey> anyone  ?
[03:17] <kavon> Hoe do I get rid of the " ? " button at the top of windows. I don't like it.
[03:17] <kavon> How*
[03:18] <intelikey> this is a kde question,      Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server  \n Xlib: No protocol specified
[03:18] <intelikey> Error: Can't open display: :0
[03:18] <ardchoille> kavon: You can remove that button in the window manager config, hold on, I'll find it..
[03:18] <BluesKaj> but GParted is a good app , nontheless...use it frequently
[03:18] <kavon> yay, thanks ardchoille
[03:18] <joseph> any of u know a god windows partition program . gparted cant find my external
[03:18] <joseph> good*
[03:18] <kavon> i've been lookin all over to get rid of it
[03:18] <ardchoille> kavon: open kcontrol, then go to Apprearance & Themes > Window Decorations and look in the "Buttons" tab
[03:19] <flaccid> joseph: qtparted
[03:19] <joseph> thats for windows or linux?
[03:19] <flaccid> if gparted can't find, then there is probably a problem
[03:19] <ardchoille> kavon: You can drag and drop those buttons
[03:19] <flaccid> for windows, go buy partition magic
[03:19] <joseph> lol ill pirate it
[03:19] <ardchoille> lol
[03:19] <flaccid> joseph: we don't codone pirating software
[03:20] <kavon> I'm at System Settings, I only see Look & Feel
[03:20] <flaccid> parition logic is the free alternative
[03:20] <joseph> lol
[03:20] <kavon> inside that catagory is Apperance, Desktop, Splash Screen, Window Behavior
[03:20] <joseph> it may not recognize my external because im on virtal machine but im not sure
[03:20] <ardchoille> kavon: open kcontrol
[03:20] <BluesKaj> flaccid ...that's bad advice , partition magic is nso magic ...it breaks ppls systems unstable even in windoiws
[03:21] <kavon> ok
[03:21] <flaccid> BluesKaj: please provide evidence. partitioning software is risky no matter which you are using
[03:21] <kavon> got i!
[03:21] <BluesKaj> I bought it ...regret it ever since
[03:21] <kavon> got it! thanks
[03:21] <ardchoille> kavon: Ah, you can also go to Appearance and then Window Decorations (I hate that system settings gui)
[03:21] <joseph> so i shouldnt use this partition magic?
[03:21] <flaccid> qtparted has broke many installs. usually the user's fault.
[03:21] <intelikey> what has to be changed to allow xmessage to connect to kde ?
[03:22] <flaccid> joseph: you can use whatever you like. we support ubuntu here.
[03:22] <BluesKaj> if GParted can't find the drive partitions then partition magic won't either
[03:22] <joseph> ill be bck in a bit im going on windows
[03:23] <intelikey> BluesKaj not too fast    he said "vertual machine"
[03:24] <flaccid> BluesKaj: yep thats why i said its likely some other problem. joseph you should look manually with fdisk command
[03:24] <intelikey> if partition magic is ran in the root env rather than a virt  it probably will find it
[03:24] <BluesKaj> well, that "partition magic" word  scares the life outta me , is all
[03:24] <ardchoille> lol
[03:24] <BluesKaj> ruined a a perfectly good setup
[03:24] <intelikey> also if *parted were ran from the root env it would probably find it...
[03:24] <flaccid> pqmagic has been more reliable to me than gtparted/qtparted....
[03:25] <flaccid> usually the user is the problem or there is an error or problem on the disk/parts...
[03:25] <flaccid> can't blame the software for such things
[03:25] <BluesKaj> flaccid , then you're lucky
[03:25] <intelikey> BluesKaj yeah i'm not advocating it's use i'm just saying   the problem may be the virtual machine setup
[03:25] <flaccid> i would never run a partitioning program through virtualisation.
[03:26] <flaccid> :)
[03:26] <BluesKaj> yup, no doubt
[03:26] <intelikey> ^   yeah that
[03:26] <BluesKaj> agreed on the t for sure
[03:26] <ardchoille> intelikey: Never used xmessage.. is it anything like kdialog ?
[03:26] <intelikey> ardchoille it's like echo for the gui   but kde blockes all outside contact    somehow
[03:27] <ardchoille> oh
[03:27] <ardchoille> intelikey: Would kdialog work for you?
[03:27] <intelikey> like even if you run   sudo xmessage 'testing'   in a konsole it errors out
[03:28] <intelikey> ardchoille i'll look but i doubt it
[03:28] <joseph> can linux read and write on fat32?
[03:28] <hitmanWilly> joseph, yup
[03:28] <coreymon77> joseph: yup
[03:28] <ardchoille> intelikey: kdialog --msgbox Testing
[03:28] <coreymon77> hitmanWilly: wow, that was odd
[03:28] <hitmanWilly> yeah...esp? lol
[03:29] <Schuenemann> hi, I changed my motherboard and processor, and now I can't start kubuntu (using windows now)
[03:29] <Schuenemann> I get a black screen and if I use recovery mode, I can't start X
[03:29] <ardchoille> intelikey: Here are some examples for kdialog:  http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/39025
[03:29] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, did you change architecture? ie amd to i386?
[03:30] <Schuenemann> nope, both are pentium 4
[03:30] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, vid card change?
[03:30] <Schuenemann> yes
[03:30] <coreymon77> that could be it
[03:30] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, that may be the issue right there
[03:30] <Schuenemann> yes, I think so
[03:30] <Schuenemann> how do I get the default xorg.conf^?
[03:31] <ardchoille> Schuenemann: There may be a backup of it before it was edited
[03:31] <Schuenemann> I have edited it many times
[03:31] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, if you have a live-cd, you can chroot into your current install and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:31] <Schuenemann> ahh, I was looking for that command
[03:32] <ardchoille> Schuenemann: look in   /etc/X11  and see if there's a backup
[03:32] <coreymon77> shouldnt a running a hardware probe fix that
[03:32] <Schuenemann> how will I know the correct setting for this card?
[03:32] <intelikey> ardchoille  no.   kdialog: cannot connect to X server
[03:32] <ardchoille> intelikey: Ah, ok
[03:32] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, what card is it?
[03:32] <intelikey> ardchoille same reason.   of course.  i just don't know what to do to it to change that.
[03:33] <coreymon77> hitmanWilly: couldn running a vid card hadware prob set it up properly
[03:33] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, that's what I don't know :p
[03:33] <ardchoille> intelikey: I have kdialog here and it pops up nice gui message boxes.
[03:33] <Schuenemann> I only know it's onboard and the motherboard is intel
[03:33] <intelikey> ardchoille test in a konsole.    sudo kdialog 'testing'
[03:33] <joseph> u guys said partition magic is dangerous. if i use it on my external hd then can it harm anything on my internal hd?
[03:33] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, lspci should show it
[03:33] <Schuenemann> pci?
[03:33] <Schuenemann> but it's onboard
[03:34] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, most onboard cards use the pci bus
[03:34] <ardchoille> intelikey: Works here
[03:34] <Schuenemann> hmm
[03:34] <chupie> i am trying to install kubuntu on my imac ( the bondi one ) but its freezing when booting from the cd
[03:34] <coreymon77> joseph: realistically, no, but PM would find a way to do it
[03:34] <Schuenemann> ok, I'll try it later, thank you
[03:34] <joseph> lol
[03:34] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, or if that doesn't work, lshw should
[03:34] <intelikey> ardchoille ok,  your setup and mine are not alike.   now if we can determine what has changed...
[03:34] <Schuenemann> k
[03:34] <coreymon77> chupie: is the mac intel based or ppc?
[03:34] <chupie> ppc
[03:35] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, do you have the mobo manual around, it should list it in there as well
[03:35] <coreymon77> chupie: well then are you sure you are using the ppc version?
[03:35] <chupie> yes
[03:35] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, mobo?
[03:35] <coreymon77> chupie: if the cd is the intel version, of course its not going to work
[03:35] <hitmanWilly> motherboard
[03:35] <ardchoille> intelikey: I use nvidia on a DELL P793 monitor and have vga=791 on the end of my kernel lines.. does that help?
[03:35] <Schuenemann> nol, I don't have any manual
[03:35] <dcosson> HALP - I felt like trying Gnome again, so I installed ubuntu-desktop, and then I remembered all the reasons I don't like it... is there a quick way to remove all these crazy Gnome apps?
[03:35] <chupie> yeah, its the ppc version
[03:35] <joseph> ok i have partition magic running and it seems to be able to convert my external hd to ext2 ext3 and ntfs...im mainly patitioning because i want windows and linux to be able to access the drive....if i convert to ext2 or 3 will windows be able to access it?
[03:35] <coreymon77> chupie: maybe its a bad cd?
[03:35] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, my previous motherboard got messed and someone gave me this
[03:36] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, well, if you know the model, you could google it
[03:36] <chupie> burned two cds
[03:36] <chupie> i am downloading the alternate install cd
[03:36] <Schuenemann> yeah, seems reasonable
[03:36] <chupie> to see if it will work
[03:36] <coreymon77> joseph: are you trying to change the fs without loosing any data on the drive?
[03:36] <joseph> fs?
[03:37] <coreymon77> joseph: filesystem
[03:37] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, you think it could run well (glx and stuff), not being nvidia?
[03:37] <joseph> i can storre the data on my internal hd while i change fs so no
[03:37] <intelikey> ardchoille heh  no   :)
[03:37] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, maybe, maybe not, nvidia seems to run the best on nix machines
[03:37] <coreymon77> joseph: okay then, yes windows will be able to probably access it
[03:38] <coreymon77> joseph: but you would need to download the drivers
[03:38] <Schuenemann> yeah... =(
[03:38] <Schuenemann> I had nvidia
[03:38] <joseph> so windows recognzes the ext3 filesystem?
[03:38] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, plug in card or built in?
[03:38] <intelikey> ardchoille i'm searching for things to compair   give me just a sec.
[03:38] <coreymon77> joseph: not out of the box no
[03:38] <joseph> i just wanna be sure
[03:38] <Schuenemann> plugin
[03:38] <joseph> damn
[03:38] <chupie> well i was able to install debian, but i was having problems w/ Xorg.. prolly kubuntu is going to do the same thing, X would start, but would freeze at the login screen
[03:38] <coreymon77> joseph: but there are plugins that do it
[03:38] <Schuenemann> but this motherboard doesn't have agp
[03:38] <ardchoille> intelikey: with sudo I get an error stating cannot connect to x server but the messagebox pops up anyway. Try it without sudo?
[03:38] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, why not just pull the card from the old machine and plug it into this one?
[03:38] <joseph> why dont i get the option to convert to fat32?
[03:38] <hitmanWilly> oh, ok :P
[03:39] <joseph> do i need a different partitioner?
[03:39] <joseph> or will all partitioners show only ext3 and ntfs?
[03:39] <ardchoille> intelikey: Maybe you need "env=DISPLAY:0." ?
[03:39] <coreymon77> joseph: fat32 is also called vfat sometimes
[03:39] <intelikey> display is set.
[03:39] <ardchoille> ok
[03:40] <intelikey> ardchoille would you  ps -A x | grep '/usr/bin/X' | grep -v grep       for me please ?
[03:40] <joseph> u guys think that putting in a windows 98 disk will give me the option to partition with fat32?
[03:40] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, you may want to invest in a pci-e vid card, if you want to do any heavy opengl stuff
[03:40] <ardchoille> intelikey: I only mentioned env=DISPLAY:0. because I had to add that to a cronjob to get a gui to work in crontab
[03:40] <intelikey> yes  i know it has to know what display to output too.
[03:41] <ardchoille> intelikey:  Returns:  5171 tty7     SLs+   5:51 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-ym3kL0
[03:41] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, yeah, but I wanted to buy a better computer (dual core) and didn't want to spend any money with this old one
[03:41] <coreymon77> joseph: you can partition with fat32
[03:41] <coreymon77> joseph: what partitioner
[03:41] <hitmanWilly> heh, ok, probably a crappy intel card tho...
[03:41] <coreymon77> joseph: PM?
[03:41] <joseph> im using partition magic but it wont give me the option
[03:41] <coreymon77> joseph: well pm is shit
[03:41] <coreymon77> joseph: qtparted can do it
[03:42] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, if it can run blender, it's ok for me
[03:42] <joseph> i once read that fat32 i think is for hd's up to 60 gig or somewhere around there, above that, it will become ntfs
[03:42] <joseph> ok thanx ill try qtparted.
[03:42] <ardchoille> intelikey: I'm thinking that the reason xmessage isn't working is the same reason kdialog isn't working for you
[03:42] <joseph> is it windows or linux, this qtparted?
[03:42] <coreymon77> lin
[03:42] <ardchoille> Linux
[03:42] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, you may try swapping X to vesa mode and running the restricted manager, it seems to do a decent job of vid card detection
[03:43] <Schuenemann> I'll try dpkg-reconfigure
[03:43] <Schuenemann> thanks
[03:43] <intelikey> ardchoille ok i think i found     i have an   " -audit 0 "   in that string.  that's probably what's doing it.
[03:43] <intelikey> maybe anyway.
[03:44] <ardchoille> intelikey: Not sure what that does, but it sounds like it's worth checking out
[03:46] <Rick_Kisser> aew povo!
[03:46] <Rick_Kisser> hey all!
[03:47] <intelikey> nothing else different in the two processes  except the location of the auth file  and that's not it.
[03:51] <intelikey> -audit int             set audit trail level
[03:51] <intelikey> not sure what that does...
[03:52] <ardchoille> intelikey: This is a failry new (3 days?) install and I don't usually change anything other than installing nvidia drivers.
[03:54] <intelikey> yeah wasn't expecting you to have changed anything.   this is dapper(6.6)  and that's feisty(7.4) ?      i was expecting the dev's to have changed things.
[03:55] <ardchoille> intelikey: Yes, Feisty here
[03:55] <ardchoille> intelikey: I never used kdialog in dapper, I was a gnome user then.
[03:55] <intelikey> dev's can mess a lot of things up in 10 months   :)
[03:55] <ardchoille> But, Zenity worked great too
[03:55] <ardchoille> hahaha
[03:56] <intelikey> well the primary user to the box i'm wanting to communicate arbitrarrily with is a kde fan    so i need to know how to force a message onto a kde system.
[03:57] <intelikey> and so far i'm 0 for 5   :)
[03:57] <intelikey> in baseball that would end the series
[03:57] <intelikey> 0 for 4 would actually
[03:59] <ardchoille> intelikey: This is being done over a network? I don't recall if kdialog can even do that.
[03:59] <intelikey> i could use things like   eject   and  echo -e "\a" > /dev/dsp    to get their attention  but they'd freek.   and that's not the desired end.
[03:59] <ardchoille> lol
[03:59] <hitmanWilly> heh
[04:00] <intelikey> ardchoille yes and yes.   it's over a network  and it can cause it's local to the ssh account running it.
[04:00] <ardchoille> Ah, fair point
[04:02] <reaper> Oi
[04:03] <intelikey> reaper
[04:03] <intelikey> i scared him off...
[04:04] <joseph> anyone here ever have to deal with bcm4318?
[04:04] <intelikey> that;s witr
[04:04] <intelikey> wireless ?
[04:04] <joseph> yes
[04:04] <intelikey> not i.
[04:05] <intelikey> did you try the docs ?
[04:05] <intelikey> !wifi | joseph
[04:05] <ubotu> joseph: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:05] <WaltzingAlong> joseph: with bcm43xx or with ndiswrapper?
[04:05] <joseph> both
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> oh, broadcom, ok...heh
[04:06] <joseph> nvm wasnt something to be concerned about now that i bridge connections
[04:06] <joseph> was a problem when i used to dual boot
[04:10] <intelikey> i think the mig welder would sow the seem up on this box...
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, heh, find a way to pull off the heat, and braise vice weld, and you may have an idea
[04:10] <stoned> hi
[04:10] <stoned> whats a good docker for kde
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> stoned, maybe kooldock?
[04:11] <intelikey> kdocker ?
[04:11] <intelikey> it's not in the repos  but sourceforge has it
[04:12] <intelikey> hmmm heat sync...     ummm weld it in a water tank ?
[04:13] <intelikey> not sure what emersion will do to the hd tho
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> that's another issue, unless its DI water
[04:14] <intelikey> could use heavy water...  :)
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> id say pull out the mobo first, but that'd kinda defeat the purpose XD
[04:14] <intelikey> :)
[04:14] <intelikey> tob
[04:14] <spectre256> hi all, i've got a laptop here i'm installing kubuntu on. it's got a VIA rhine ethernet adapter and while it worked great with the gentoo installation that was on it previously, and with most live cds, kubuntu just doesn't like it. any thoughts?
[04:15] <jmichaelx> joseph: you need to use fwcutter
[04:15] <jmichaelx> to get your broadcom card working
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> spectre256, sounds like a kernel driver issue, you may need to compile your own module
[04:16] <intelikey> jmichaelx know anything about setting kde/sorg to accept outside appe ?
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> spectre256, do you have build-essential and the kernel source installed?
[04:17] <spectre256> hitmanWilly, no this is just using the install cd. kubuntu isn't actually installed yet
[04:18] <jmichaelx> intelikey: hmmm i don't think i do...
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> spectre256, ahh, kinda hard to recompile then :)
[04:18] <intelikey> jmichaelx k thanks any way
[04:18] <jmichaelx> yw
[04:18] <spectre256> hitmanWilly, yeah and why do i have a feeling that in order to compile anything i'd have to download the source from the internet which requires ethernet...oops
[04:19] <stdin> spectre256: have you tried doing "sudo modprobe via-rhine" ?
[04:20] <spectre256> stdin, no, but the interface is detected, and actually sometimes it even gets an IP from DHCP, but then it doesn't work consistently
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> spectre256, oh yeah, but there may be a workaround for that too, you can install build-essential off the cd IIRC, and use a live-cd of gentoo or something to chroot into the hd install
[04:20] <spectre256> stdin, and actually, if i try to manually enable and then disable the interface, the entire machien locks up
[04:21] <spectre256> my first thought was a hardware problem but like i said it worked fine with the previous gentoo install and other livecds
[04:22] <logankoester> Anyone got a minute to help me figure out why my fresh kubuntu installation has no audio?
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> spectre256, ubu does kernel stuff somewhat different than most distros
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, did you unmute in the mixer?
[04:23] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, It is unmuted, yes
[04:23] <kavon> hey ArTo
[04:23] <logankoester> and last.fm acts as though it is playing
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, try disabling the kde sound system in kcontrol
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, sometimes it conflicts with alsa
[04:24] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, Same result
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, make sure the correct sound device is selected in kmix?
[04:26] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, It appears to be
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> not sure then...
[04:26] <logankoester> "HDA Intel" is selected, and I have an intel motherboard. The other option is a webcam with builtin mic
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> all the volume selectors are up?
[04:27] <logankoester> yup
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> and you're sure its unmuted?
[04:27] <logankoester> absolutely
[04:27] <logankoester> also, "Test sound" in kcontrol produced nothing
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, ok, try echo eeeeee > /dev/dsp in a konsole, see if that produces anything
[04:29] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, it should just produce some random noise
[04:30] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[04:31] <snowdonkey> hey guys.  not exactly a linux question, but what does it mean if a red light turned on at the front of my case, and the computer doesn't get to the POST screen?  is a specific component failing?
[04:31] <intelikey> arts ?
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, ok, that means something is locking the sound system...
[04:31] <Jmanfoo> has anyone ever seen the desktop distortion style xscreensavers actually take a screenshot to use for the distortions? i am i imagining that they do this?
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> snowdonkey, depends on the mobo model
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> snowdonkey, but yeah, sounds like an error code of some type
[04:32] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, how can I find out what is locking it?
[04:32] <Jmanfoo> logankoester look in /var/lock for a pid file maybe?
[04:32] <snowdonkey> hitmanWillly, thanks, I see.  So I should contact Asus who made my motherboard about the red light on the Antec case?
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, id say try a reboot and see if that fixes it, should clear out any system locks
[04:32] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, Jmanfoo, /var/lock is empty
[04:32] <stdin> it's probably artsd that's locking dsp
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> snowdonkey, id say that would be reasonable
[04:33] <logankoester> this is a fresh boot
[04:33] <logankoester> artsd is running
[04:33] <Jmanfoo> ugh, silly arts
[04:33] <snowdonkey> hitmanwilly, alright, thanks a lot.  I appreciate it.
[04:33] <logankoester> should I kill it?
[04:33] <intelikey> i guess i'm trolling #debian        silent troll ???  what a concept.
[04:33] <Jmanfoo> kil lthat process logankoester
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> snowdonkey, or look on google for specific error codes
[04:33] <Jmanfoo> everyone should be on alsa now
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, did you get kicked?
[04:34] <intelikey> no but i sure got messaged about using irc-user=root
[04:34] <Jmanfoo> bow to my leetness
[04:34] <Jmanfoo> my LFS system is almost compelte
[04:34] <intelikey> by several
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, heh, yeah, they don't know you over there :)
[04:34] <intelikey> :)
[04:34] <intelikey> i know.
[04:34] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, hitmanWilly: I killed artsd and ran "Test sound" from the kde control center, and it started artsd back up again! :<
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> irc-user=init, lol
[04:35] <Jmanfoo> logankoester, what is kde set to use in the control center? automatic?
[04:35] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, yes
[04:35] <logankoester> wait no, sorry, it's set to use alsa
[04:35] <Jmanfoo> logankoester, check to make sure you have ALSA installed, and set the control center to use that or OSS
[04:35] <logankoester> It was automatic originally but that wasn't working
[04:35] <stoned> http://obtown.com/2007/06/15/how-to-beryl-on-ubuntu-feisty-with-ati/ <-- can anyone take a look at this.  There is a script at the end which is supposed to launch xgl, however it contains exec gnome-session, but I use kde.  What should I modify this to in order to get kde running
[04:35] <stdin> kde will use arts to communicate with the sound system via alsa
[04:36] <stoned> stdin: maybe you could advise
[04:36] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i set it one time to   irc-user='No, i am not root !     i am init ."
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, i bet that went over well :)
[04:36] <intelikey> oh yeah...  they really paniced.
[04:37] <stdin> stoned: change it to "exec startkde"
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> stoned, change gnome-session to startkde iirc
[04:37] <logankoester> well, this is frustrating as hell
[04:37] <intelikey> seems only a script kiddy can do such things...   heh
[04:37] <stoned> ok
[04:37] <logankoester> I can't think straight in a silent room
[04:37] <Jmanfoo> i dunno why its insisting on using arts
[04:37] <Jmanfoo> i dont have arts installed and my alsa works just fine under kde
[04:38] <Jmanfoo> try setting it to use OSS logankoester
[04:38] <stdin> Jmanfoo: if you installed KDE, then you have arts. most of kde is compiled with arts in it
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> i don't even have it compiled in to kde on this box :)
[04:38] <intelikey> people in #debian  don't seem very patient or nice...   they will diss on ya for naught.
[04:38] <Jmanfoo> intelikey you should see the LFS support channel
[04:39] <stoned> intelikey: not really, intelligent questions are always appreciated
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, debian: the distro for the elitist :P
[04:39] <stoned> nonsense
[04:39] <intelikey> stoned i haven't said a word in there,
[04:39] <Mr_Sonoma> lol i have a debian machine and im no elitist
[04:39] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, doesn't seem to be any different with oss
[04:39] <intelikey> not one word.
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> that was just a joke, relax people :P
[04:40] <Jmanfoo> yeah i've found gentoo developers to be far snobbier than debian
[04:40] <Jmanfoo> logankoester try restarting X
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, yeah, but gentoo lets you pretty much ignore the developers way of doing things anyway :)
[04:40] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, with it set to OSS?
[04:40] <_aaa> hoe does gentoo compare to ubuntu7.04?
[04:40] <nosredna_ekim> Jmanfoo: thats my brother you are talking about ;)
[04:40] <intelikey> hitmanWilly well it really is for zealots and elitests   as far as the channel is conxerned.  but the distro is good.
[04:41] <Jmanfoo> logankoester try that and see what happens
[04:41] <SilentDis> 'lo :)
[04:41] <logankoester> k, be right back then
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> _aaa, opposite ends of the spectrum
[04:41] <_aaa> ?
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu is easy to use, gentoo is infinately more customizable, but a lot harder to use/set up
[04:42] <_aaa> ok
[04:42] <_aaa> , thanks...
[04:42] <Jmanfoo> ubuntu is very customizeable if you know what you're doing
[04:42] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, no difference
[04:42] <Jmanfoo> i take the edison approach, break everything in every way possible, and you're left with the right way to do things
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, yeah, but getting into the guts of ubuntu is even more difficult than doing it on gentoo
[04:43] <Jmanfoo> hitmanWilly, this is correct
[04:43] <SilentDis> Jmanfoo: i like that approach :D
[04:43] <stoned> stdin: how would I launch xgl now?
[04:43] <stoned> im a bit confused
[04:43] <_aaa> I'm just a lowly 60 year high school hairy,heh heh
[04:43] <Jmanfoo> i've given up on trying to build a kernel under buntu
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, its possible (ive done it before) but its a major pita
 if i was to stop using debian (which i doubt) i would go for gentoo  <robboplus:#debian> and NEVER for ubuntu..   <<<<  heh.  can't say i would blame anyone for having that attitude but.  thought i'd share it just for the "offtopic" sake of sharing  :)
[04:44] <Jmanfoo> hitmanWilly, yeah, and in comparison it took me all of 30 minutes to build a brand new kernel for this LFS system
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> they should really just change #kubuntu-offtopic to redirect into here :P
[04:45] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, any other ideas?
[04:45] <logankoester> perhaps it's a driver problem?
[04:45] <intelikey> hitmanWilly lol
[04:45] <Jmanfoo> logankoester, find a .wav file, open a terminal there, and type "artsplay wave.wav" but using the name of the wav file, and see what happens
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> Jmanfoo, same way for gentoo, unless you use genkernel, which kinda defeats the point :)
[04:46] <Jmanfoo> don't get me wrong, i love kubuntu, it does exactly what it's designed for very well
[04:46] <stoned> http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable?
[04:46] <stoned> intelikey: ^^
[04:46] <Jmanfoo> brb
[04:46] <intelikey> why you want more material ?
[04:49] <nosredna_ekim> haha... the fable :)
[04:49] <intelikey> hmm who ever wrote that shows a great deal of the  #debian  attitude afore mentioned.
[04:50] <nosredna_ekim> yeah...
[04:50] <nosredna_ekim> Imean really.. Ubuntu popularized the .deb
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> imho, we were all babies at one point, so it doesn't hurt to help one once in a while :)
[04:50] <nosredna_ekim> .debs were dying
[04:51] <intelikey> hitmanWilly good answer.   and i couldn't agree more.
[04:51] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, nothin
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> heh, try this: http://bandcamp.tv/linux-demotivators/
[04:52] <logankoester> Jmanfoo, was I supposed to change it back to alsa first? It's still using OSS
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> well, in reality, oss and alsa are really the same thing in ubuntu these days, alsa just emulates it
[04:53] <stoned> hey
[04:53] <stoned> does direct rendering get turned off when you start xgl?
[04:55] <stdin> stoned: yes
[04:55] <stoned> man
[04:55] <stoned> something is not right here
[04:55] <stoned> my desktop is very slow in drawing windows and menus and updating them
[04:55] <stoned> im on xgl atm
[04:56] <logankoester> So how should I proceed, hitmanWilly?
[04:56] <stoned> man why the fsck did I buy an ati card :(
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, not sure, reconfigure alsa maybe?
[04:57] <logankoester> I'm not too impressed that kubuntu can't properly detect my monitors or soundcard, after so many years you'd think this sort of thing would be figured out
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> unless ubu compiles it into the kernel, but i doubt that
[04:57] <logankoester> how would I go about doing that?
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa, maybe?
[04:58] <intelikey> logankoester it would if the hardware wasn't always changing..
[04:58] <logankoester> ah-ha!
[04:59] <logankoester> "Package `alsa' is not installed and no info is available."
[04:59] <logankoester> Might that mean something?
[04:59] <dwidmann> logankoester: which sound card and how many monitors at a time?
[04:59] <intelikey> alsa support is in the kernel   the alsa utils  may be what you want.
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> most hw drivers in nix have to be reverse engineered since the manufacturers don't generally release linux versions of them
[04:59] <logankoester> dwidmann, It's an onboard intel soundcard - laptop, only the external CRT monitor works
[04:59] <dwidmann> Weird.
[05:00] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, yeah, I understand how it works... I just wish we were through this by now
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> talk to the hw manufacturers :)
[05:00] <intelikey> we'll never be through it
[05:00] <logankoester> So what is it I need to install?
[05:00] <intelikey> it's the reason linux exists in the first place.
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> logankoester, maybe try it on alsautils?
[05:01] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, alsa-utils is already the newest version
[05:02] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils alsa-tools
[05:02] <intelikey> start with base
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, thanx, couldn't remember all the ubu pkgs for it :)
[05:02] <intelikey> but im still not sure you are working on the right end of the donkey
[05:03] <logankoester> intelikey, base has no output
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, probably not, know where the alsa startup script is on buntu?
[05:03] <intelikey> should always check and see which end has teeth
[05:03] <logankoester> utils also has no output - the other two are not installed
[05:03] <intelikey> hitmanWilly /etc/init.d/alsa* stop/start
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, never did see it in there on my box, maybe i just overlooked them...
[05:04] <logankoester> okay, I just installed alsa-tools and alsa-oss, dunno if that will help?
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, the buntu one anyway :P
[05:05] <intelikey> ls /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
[05:05] <logankoester> intelikey, it's there
[05:06] <ekrengel> does anyone know why I would be able to get a full 1920x1080 resolution at the login screen, but it then crops it back down to 1280x1024 after I log in?
[05:07] <intelikey> they also are "not" g rated in #debian     it's not like i'm going to see bad words i don't know how to pronounce,  it's just that i don't like to see them.
[05:07] <intelikey> just like i don't like to hear them
[05:08] <logankoester> drifting offtopic.... how can a word be bad or good?
[05:08] <logankoester> It's just a word
[05:08] <logankoester> a sound you make with your mouth or some lines in the sand
[05:09] <logankoester> that is just the most ridiculous concept
[05:09] <stdin> logankoester: words are neither good nor bad, it's the intent behind them...
[05:09] <intelikey> logankoester it it has only one usage and that usage is banned form some circles   then the word is considered a "bad" word.
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> same thing that makes it rude to chew with your mouth open or pass gas in public
[05:10] <intelikey> or pupe on the sidewalk
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> good one :)
[05:10] <intelikey> poop
[05:10] <logankoester> If it's the intent behind them, then why object when they're used interjectionally?
[05:10] <logankoester> with no intent to offend
[05:10] <Level15> b/c this place intends to be family friendly...
[05:10] <stdin> logankoester: because that's hardly ever the case
[05:10] <intelikey> logankoester manors
[05:11] <logankoester> I wish I could get audio working :(
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> calling someone a f&@king r-tard seems pretty well intended to offend to me.
[05:11] <intelikey> logankoester have you tried the trubble shooting wiki ?
[05:11] <intelikey> !sound | logankoester
[05:11] <ubotu> logankoester: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:11] <logankoester> hitmanWilly, can't disagree with you there
[05:11] <Level15> !players
[05:12] <Level15> hmmm
[05:12] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[05:12] <Level15> that was slow...
[05:12] <intelikey> Level15 the bot lags from usage in the other channel      a lot.
[05:13] <Level15> i see...
[05:13] <intelikey> and if a script kiddy tries to crack it,  i have seen it lag over a minute...
[05:13] <Level15> lol, really?
[05:14] <intelikey> yeah.
[05:14] <Level15> i wish i could do something like that with ssh over here...
[05:14] <NickPresta> Level15, do something like what?
[05:14] <Level15> altough apparently it's possible to do something to slow down brute force atacks on the iptables layer, but i'm not sure how
[05:14] <stdin> and then Seveas gets mad and kills you
[05:14] <Level15> NickPresta: make ssh become slower to a given connection after unsuccessful login attempts
[05:14] <intelikey> yeah k line
[05:15] <intelikey> or  g line
[05:15] <jhutchins> Level15: $IPTABLES -A INPUT -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m limit --limit 3/min --limit-burst 3 -j ACCEPT
[05:15] <intelikey> level15 you can make it wait longer each time the login is unsuccessful  in /etc/ssh/sshd_conf
[05:15] <Level15> intelikey: really? which param?
[05:16] <Level15> jhutchins: thanks ;)
[05:16] <intelikey> it's commented
[05:16] <Biovore> there is also a script that detects ssh login failuers and adds the IP to a shitlist.. (gets blocked)
[05:16] <intelikey> you'll find it
[05:16] <intelikey> FailTimeOut   i think  but not sure.
[05:16] <jhutchins> Biovore: That command effectively does that with pretty rapid rollover.  The ssh attacks don't tend to re-use IP's.
[05:17] <Biovore> true..  but on most unix systems you need to know an username to even try..
[05:17] <intelikey> jhutchins they will if the time out isn't increesing
[05:17] <jhutchins> What's funny is if you catch an attack and take your ssh daemon down for like three minutes, the attack won't come back.
[05:17] <Level15> ok, just went through sshd_config... didn't find anything like that
[05:17] <Biovore> yup. that iptables trick is nice too
[05:18] <intelikey> Biovore a brute force ssh attack will try root nobody and other "common" accounts.
[05:18] <logankoester> intelikey, there was a dead link on SoundTroubleshooting, preventing me from finding the name of the driver for my onboard soundcard
[05:18] <stdin> and "test"
[05:18] <intelikey> yes it is.
[05:18] <intelikey> logankoester eeek
[05:18] <intelikey> i wonder if crimsun is around ?
[05:19] <logankoester> If I can't get this, and my monitor problem fixed tonight, I'll have no choice but to return to Vista :'(
[05:20] <NickPresta> logankoester, which monitor problem?
[05:20] <Level15> logankoester: which sound card is it?
[05:20] <intelikey> logankoester ooh yuch   that's worse than commiting suicide with fether.
[05:21] <intelikey> feather
[05:21] <logankoester> NickPresta, I'm trying to focus on the soundcard problem first
[05:21] <logankoester> Level15, it's an onboard (laptop, intel mobo)
[05:21] <NickPresta> logankoester, what seems to be the problem? Not detected?
[05:22] <Level15> logankoester: what's PCI id for it?
[05:22] <logankoester> NickPresta, It seems to be detected correctly, but I hear nothing
[05:22] <logankoester> Level15, How can I find that?
[05:22] <NickPresta> logankoester, and information about your soundcard?
[05:22] <Level15> NickPresta: have you played with the volume control? (just asking)
[05:22] <Level15> logankoester: lspci
[05:23] <NickPresta> Level15, I'm not having problems with my sound. ;)
[05:23] <Level15> lol
[05:23] <Level15> sorry
[05:23] <intelikey> lshw -C audio
[05:23] <Level15> logankoester: have you played with the volume control?
[05:23] <logankoester> NickPresta, Level15: http://pastebin.ca/664031 <- lspci
[05:24] <arun> i just added a black background image for the panel, but it shows a light grey border around it. how do i disable the border/change the colour of the border?
[05:24] <logankoester> Level15, volume controls are all up and unmuted
[05:24] <klobster> anyone know how to restart my panels?  they all disappeared...
[05:24] <jhutchins> logankoester: Move the ballance off center, see if that does anything.
[05:25] <jhutchins> klobster: Stock kde?
[05:25] <klobster> yeah
[05:25] <intelikey> 82801G
[05:25] <jhutchins> dcop kicker --default restart (I think)
[05:25] <Level15> lol, looks like my own sound card, except for the revision
[05:26] <Level15> logankoester: lspci -n please
[05:26] <hv> hi all
[05:26] <logankoester> Level15, http://pastebin.ca/664034
[05:26] <jhutchins> dunno why, my office pc will often not have any sound if the ballance is centered.
 Generally you want to refer to a release by its codename rather than its release name  <<< ?
[05:27] <jhutchins> Sometimes just moving it off-center and back will recover, sometimes I have to leave it off center.
[05:27] <logankoester> jhutchins, thanks, no luck however
[05:27] <klobster> jhutchins: call failed?
[05:27] <intelikey> jhutchins that sounds like a "lost ground"
[05:27] <jhutchins> klobster: bother...
[05:27] <Level15> what modules are loaded?
[05:28] <jhutchins> klobster: dcop kicker kicker restart
[05:28] <logankoester> Maybe if I drink the cough syrup on my desk, I'll simply hallucinate working audio?
[05:28] <arun> anyone? i cant find any option to disable the border..
[05:28] <Level15> HAHAHA
[05:28] <Level15> logankoester: what modules are loaded?
[05:28] <klobster> jhutchins: nevermind, I just ran kicker from right click > run
[05:28] <Level15> lsmod|grep snd
[05:28] <klobster> jhutchins: ty
[05:28] <jhutchins> klobster: whatever works man.
[05:29] <jhutchins> 'Night all.
[05:29] <intelikey> klobster also    alt+f2
[05:29] <logankoester> Level15, http://pastebin.ca/664035
[05:30] <Level15> logankoester: hmmm, weirdo, same drivers here and they work... maybe your revision is not yet supported...
[05:30] <Level15> logankoester: but u might want to try to get audio from outside kde, just to test...
[05:31] <logankoester> So... I'm doomed to a silent ubuntu?
[05:31] <Level15> it seems so :(
[05:31] <Level15> are you using 7.04?
[05:31] <intelikey> logankoester simple test.   switch to a console and issue  /etc/init.d/kdm stop      &&   cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[05:31] <Level15> lol!
[05:32] <logankoester> God bless the linux community :<
[05:32] <intelikey> youe can     /etc/init.d/kdm start   to regain gui
[05:32] <logankoester> Level15, yes, I am
[05:32] <logankoester> intelikey, be right back then
[05:33] <intelikey> don't you go hide while he's gone.
[05:33] <intelikey> that's what i do...
[05:33] <intelikey> :)
[05:34] <logankoester> Nope
[05:34] <logankoester> :(
[05:34] <logankoester> heard nothin
[05:34] <logankoester> I listened as hard as I could
[05:35] <logankoester> wish I had one of those giant electronic ears they make for kids
[05:35] <intelikey> just cause i'm hard to get along with and think i know something,    while in the console run    alsamixer   and make sure that wasn't muted.
[05:35] <intelikey> if not   then i give up.
[05:36] <logankoester> I should do that without kde running?
[05:36] <intelikey> no doesn't matter
[05:36] <logankoester> nope
[05:37] <logankoester> 100%
[05:37] <intelikey> Okapi: i'll fade out then
[05:37] <intelikey> ok <
[05:37] <intelikey> nick completion caught that
[05:37] <logankoester> I guess my next question is, is this problem likely to exist also in gnome ubuntu, or another distribution?
[05:38] <intelikey> ubuntu  yes  other distros   not near as likely
[05:38] <logankoester> Hmm
[05:38] <logankoester> I only like ubuntu though :p
[05:38] <logankoester> This sucks
[05:38] <intelikey> ubuntu is ubuntu  with or without kde
[05:38] <intelikey> you are more than welcome to test the ubuntu live cd and find out.
[05:39] <logankoester> I guess I could live with Fedora Core, if they've improved any in the last few years
[05:39] <intelikey> tried mandriva  or  suse  lately ?
[05:39] <ardchoille> I have a question. Why is the ubuntu and kubuntu live cd's much slower than other live cd's like MEPIX and knoppix?
[05:39] <logankoester> intelikey: I haven't, nope
[05:39] <logankoester> I've never used suse
[05:40] <intelikey> logankoester i reccomend
[05:40] <logankoester> Mandriva is the one made by Fisher Price, right?
[05:40] <intelikey> ardchoille than knoppix cause knoppix is da bomb on da live.   as for mepix    idk
[05:40] <ardchoille> lol
[05:41] <intelikey> logankoester is that french ?
[05:41] <logankoester> Is what french?
[05:41] <intelikey> fisher price
[05:41] <intelikey> :)
[05:41] <logankoester> http://www.fisher-price.com/us/default.asp
[05:42] <intelikey> i know mandriva is.
[05:45] (intelikey/#kubuntu) or not.
[05:46] (intelikey/#kubuntu) who's the new bot ?
[05:46] (intelikey/#kubuntu) -:- ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog]  has joined #kubuntu <<<
[05:46] (stdin/#kubuntu) new?
[05:46] (Jmanfoo/#kubuntu) anyone know where .xscreensaver is by default in kubuntu? it's not in my home directory
[05:46] (stdin/#kubuntu) it's the log bot
[05:46] (dwidmann/#kubuntu) logankoester: in that case, you could try ubuntu again in a couple months, 7.10 should be released by then.
[05:47] <intelikey> Jmanfoo ~/.kde/something/something
[05:48] <intelikey> stdin don't know off hand the easy way to make kde accept xmessages or kdialogs from other local users do you /
[05:48] <intelikey> ?
[05:48] <intelikey> ???
[05:48] <stdin> intelikey: yep: xhost +LOCAL:
[05:48] <Jmanfoo> no dice intelikey
[05:49] <Jmanfoo> searched the whole home directory and came up with nothing
[05:49] <intelikey> i said the 'easy way'
[05:49] <intelikey> Jmanfoo if you have configured the screensaver it should be there somewhere
[05:49] <intelikey> if you haven't it doesn't exist
[05:51] <intelikey> and all your personla settings will be in ~/  some place      exception of the display manager you can save to /etc/gdm/gdm.comf* or /etc/kde3/kdm/kdm.conf   i think
[05:51] <Jmanfoo> well i configured it with the control panel
[05:52] <intelikey> stdin i guess i could slip that in a script in ease it into their ~/.kde/Autostart/    :)
[05:52] <intelikey> then i can message them   heh  should work.
[05:53] <stdin> intelikey: there is a global autostart dir ;)
[05:53] <intelikey> stdin in /usr ?
[05:53] <stdin> /usr/share/autostart/
[05:53] <intelikey> or /etc/X11/  too
[05:54] <intelikey> stdin will it run executables if i put one in the /usr/share  ?
[05:54] <logankoester> dwidmann, I'll certainly try 7.10
[05:55] <intelikey> logankoester 7.10 is beta
[05:55] <logankoester> I've been using ubuntu as my dev environment for just about forever, I'm not about to stop ;)
[05:55] <logankoester> But I haven't used x11/kde and all that crap
[05:55] <stdin> intelikey: if it's in /usr/share/autostart/ and +x, it'll start when kde does
[05:55] <intelikey> releases in the 10'th month of 007
[05:55] <stdin> 7.10 is alpha sctually
[05:55] <stdin> *actually
[05:56] <intelikey> stdin ok.   then i'll drop a sleep command in it and make sure it's the last thing to finish
[05:56] <intelikey> still alpha ?  thought beta testing started this month ?
[05:57] <intelikey> guess i'm wrong again,     how is it the french say that ?   "i decieve my self"  isn't it...
[05:57] <stdin> intelikey: beta freeze today, beta release on the 27th
[05:58] <Jmanfoo> the only directory i see in my home folder that even comes close is /home/josh/.kde/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers
[05:59] <Jmanfoo> and its empty!
[05:59] <Jmanfoo> but i just went through a minute ago and configured the xscreensaver settings
[05:59] <Tiago_Hartigan> ?
[06:04] <intelikey> yes that was an isp side connection reset.   they do that about every four hours like it or not.
[06:04] <intelikey> tic's me off
[06:09] <intelikey> oh yuch   x is running on vt7 now   that's not right.   i set it to vt5    what's the deal.
[06:12] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39028
[06:14] <Jmanfoo> ARG this makes no sense
[06:14] <Jmanfoo> i have GrabDesktopImages set to true, yet it xscreensaver refuses to do it!
[06:15] <intelikey> i knew i wasn't loony.   i did set gdm.conf to vt5    FirstVT=5
[06:15] <intelikey> VTAllocation=true
[06:16] <intelikey> stdin   i don't think it worked.
[06:16] <magicalmoose> hey, i'm using kubuntu, and im new, can somone help me?
[06:17] <sanzanric> how?
[06:17] <stdin> intelikey: huh?
[06:17] <magicalmoose> well, it asks me for the root password a lot, but I never made one, so anything I write, it says something like 'wrong password' i was just wondering if anyone could help me with that
[06:18] <sanzanric> have you try your own password?
[06:18] <magicalmoose> yes
[06:18] <magicalmoose> it said the same thing,
[06:18] <sanzanric> your using kde?
[06:18] <stdin> magicalmoose: I'm guessing your trying to use su?
[06:18] <magicalmoose> yep
[06:18] <magicalmoose> yes.
[06:18] <intelikey> magicalmoose try your password.
[06:19] <stdin> magicalmoose: use "sudo -i" or "sudo su"
[06:19] <intelikey> oh   sudo and try your password
[06:19] <magicalmoose> okay ill try. one second.
[06:19] <sanzanric> okay, open up konsole "sudo passwd root"
[06:19] <GuHhH> how do i know if clamav scanned a file/mail attach?
[06:19] <stdin> no, don't
[06:19] <stdin> sanzanric: there is no need to do that.
[06:19] <magicalmoose> okay
[06:19] <intelikey> stdin in /usr/share/autostart/zlast.sh  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39029
[06:19] <sanzanric> but, if he wants to..
[06:20] <stdin> magicalmoose: use sudo for all you root needs
[06:20] <intelikey> stdin no joy.  can't message them.
[06:20] <stdin> !root
[06:20] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:20] <intelikey> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[06:20] <intelikey> Xlib: No protocol specified
[06:20] <stdin> intelikey: you missed the ':' at the end
[06:20] <intelikey> did i ?
[06:20] <stdin> intelikey: xhost +LOCAL:
[06:20] <intelikey> oh  yeah i did.
[06:20] <magicalmoose> okay, so now im in root@(mycomputername), how can i change my root password?
[06:21] <stdin> magicalmoose: why do you need to?
[06:21] <sanzanric> how are you root? sudo, su, etc,
[06:21] <magicalmoose> sudo -i, is what i put in.
[06:21] <magicalmoose> and i put in my user password.
[06:21] <sanzanric> okay type,  passwd root
[06:21] <intelikey> ok i'll test it again.     and take my pebcak some where else...   </blush>
[06:21] <stdin> magicalmoose: you are root now, sudo gave you root. you don't need a root password
[06:22] <magicalmoose> oooh.
[06:22] <magicalmoose> okay. thank you.
[06:22] <stdin> magicalmoose: before you change anything, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:22] <magicalmoose> okay.
[06:22] <magicalmoose> thanks, its nice to know that theres an irc with people that actually frickin help :)
[06:22] <intelikey> magicalmoose and if you don't like it then you can change it.
[06:22] <intelikey> it is your software on your box you know.
[06:23] <intelikey> magicalmoose yeah stdin is cool that way.
[06:24] <sanzanric> you have to change some kdm file if you want to login to kde
[06:24] <_MaX_> hola
[06:24] <intelikey> sanzanric me ?
[06:25] <magicalmoose> hey, just curious, when i put in 'sudo -i' it let me use my user password instead of the default locked one, what does the '-i' mean?
[06:25] <sanzanric> what?
[06:25] <_MaX_> alguien de sudamerica
[06:25] <stdin> logging in to X as root = not a good idea
[06:25] <stdin> !es
[06:25] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
 you have to change some kdm file if you want to login to kde <<<  i asked if you addressed me with that ?
[06:26] <intelikey> i should leave
[06:26] <intelikey> i should leave #debian    enter gets in the way
[06:27] <sanzanric> it was a gernal dose any body know what file that is?
[06:27] <intelikey> sanzanric yes   /etc/kde3/kdm/kdm.conf  iirc
[06:27] <intelikey> sanzanric but you can do it through kcontrol
[06:28] <intelikey> if you like the pointy clicky thingy
[06:28] <magicalmoose> hey, just curious, when i put in 'sudo -i' it let me use my user password instead of the default locked one, what does the '-i' mean? does anyone know?
[06:28] <ardchoille> -i  The -i (simulate initial login) option runs the shell specified in the passwd(5) entry of the user that the command is being run as.
[06:28] <sanzanric> what dose sudo --help print?
[06:29] <intelikey> magicalmoose yes   but i'd rather teach you how to answer your own questions about switches.      man sudo     and hit /-i
[06:29] <sanzanric> thanks
[06:29] <sanzanric> kcontrol, nice
[06:29] <intelikey> yep
[06:30] <intelikey> for everything kde    just use kcontrol
[06:30] <intelikey> simple as that
[06:30] <magicalmoose> okay
[06:31] <intelikey> and for most things    you can just right click them..
[06:31] <ardchoille> magicalmoose:  konqueror --profile filemanagement man:sudo
[06:31] <ardchoille> :)
[06:31] <sanzanric> cant you do man:/sudo
[06:31] <sanzanric> ?
[06:32] <intelikey> any konq window   #sudo
[06:32] <intelikey> or is it    !sudo
[06:32] <intelikey> one is info the other man  ???
[06:32] <ardchoille> !usod returns an error
[06:32] <ardchoille> !sudo
[06:32] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:33] <intelikey> hmm    well ok   so   i  don't use kde   sue me.
[06:33] <intelikey> :)
[06:33] <sanzanric> #sudo maps to the manual page
[06:33] <ardchoille> Well, I had to test it cuz I didn't know if it worked that way
[06:33] <botnot> hiiiiiiiii
[06:33] <ardchoille> sanzanric: Indeed it does
[06:33] <botnot> I don't know Ron, but I guarantee you that Ron has never said "allow us to provide you with excellent customer service." In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Ron provides satisfactory, but not excellent customer service, jerks it to manga, gets in heated arguments over Battlestar Galactica, and hates his job because his boss doesn't appreciate him enough. But some day Ron will get his degree...
[06:33] <botnot> 9 things I learned about the world according to anonymous
[06:33] <botnot> stock photo models.
[06:33] <botnot> I was searching for shitty telecom companies the other day and Qwest came up as the first result (the 2nd through 6th results linked to Verizon). So I clicked the top link and saw this:
[06:33] <botnot> "Finally," I thought to myself, "a site that sells chubby black women." Unfortunately, after hours of searching there were no black women to be found; only DSL and local phone service. Here are some other photos I found on corporate websites, and what I learned about the world based on the images:
[06:33] <intelikey> there is a key for manpages and infopages  i just don't recall them both
[06:33] <botnot> 1. Attempts to portray sincere parent/child relationships always seem creepy.
[06:33] <botnot> There aren't many things I don't want to experience in life, but the sensual caress of a parent going through mid-life crisis is one of them.
[06:34] <botnot> 2. Hot curly haired black women go moist for wireless broadband routers and mainframes.
[06:34] <botnot> Possibly the first and only cliche in history I've wanted to bang, curly-haired black women are the preferred marketing tool to sell obscure telecom products and telephone services so long as their skin tone isn't too dark. She should be dark enough to score that hip diversity dollar, but not so dark as to scare away that heartland racist dollar.
[06:34] <botnot> Microsoft also tried to employ use of the hot black woman for marketing Vista recently, but as usual, they got it wrong:
[06:34] <botnot> "Fuck it." -Microsoft's advertising agency
[06:34] <botnot> 3. People who sit in cramped cubicles answering customer service calls in drab corporate callcenters are overjoyed to help fix your DSL modem.
[06:34] <underdog5004> botnot, not here, please
[06:34] <botnot> Meet Ron:
[06:34] <botnot> ...in computer science, quit his job, and then his boss will be sorry for not paying Ron more! Until then, he's an undersexed shill. Unless the beefy, goateed computer programmer look is making a comeback, and based on personal experience, it hasn't.
[06:34] <ardchoille> I love my ignore list :)
[06:34] <botnot> Here's another gem. Can you guess why this man is smiling?
[06:34] <botnot> There are only three reasons you should ever be this delighted about anything, and all of them involve you being a hot chick, meeting me, and lube.
[06:34] <sanzanric> can someone (x)kill botnot
[06:34] <underdog5004> wow...that article was really old...
[06:34] <underdog5004> lol
[06:35] <hagabaka> :)
[06:35] <ardchoille> stdin: Thanks
[06:36] <stdin> darn bots :p
[06:36] <ardchoille> It's not the bot's fault, we need to find that person who did that and cut their fingers off one at a time and soak their hands in alcohol and salt
[06:37] <sanzanric> i vote for that!
[06:38] <intelikey> alcohol and salt ?    nah.   jsut let them get infected.
[06:38] <sanzanric> Medieval Europe, i... wish... i... was... there...
[06:41] <intelikey> i'm going to add a touch ~/testfile to the script to see if it's being called....
[06:43] <kalorin`> thanks a lot there godaddy
[06:43] <kalorin`> way to forget my MX record for me
[06:43] <kalorin`> :(
[06:43] <ardchoille> :(
[06:43] <intelikey> ):
[06:43] <kalorin`> yeah just going along fine for about 4 months or whatever, then all the sudden no email today, log on and find that they sort of misplaced my CNAME that the MX record pointed to
[06:44] <kalorin`> all the sudden all the domains point their mail at a host that doesn't exist
[06:44] <kalorin`> nicely done
[06:44] <kalorin`> :(
[06:44] <kalorin`> man it's like you gotta watch them constantly
[06:46] <Ch1ppy> hey, I'm having a bit of toruble with akregator and I was wondering if someone could help me out or point me in the right direction
[06:47] <intelikey> akregator: RSS feed aggregator for KDE.
[06:47] <intelikey> that's all i know about it.
[06:48] <Ch1ppy> hehe
[06:48] <intelikey> and it doesn't help chippy one yud
[06:48] <Ch1ppy> anyone else?
[06:48] <sanzanric> ch1ppy, name your issue
[06:49] <Ch1ppy> basically, it's not counting some news items
[06:49] <Ch1ppy> for example, I have 40 news items in a folder
[06:49] <Ch1ppy> the feed display says 40 new, the folder says 40, but the "All Items" (And hence the icon in my statusbar) says 37
[06:50] <sanzanric> have you clicked on the fetch all feeds button
[06:50] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: sure have, same issue
[06:50] <sanzanric> have you read some of the feeds?
[06:50] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: it's a new issue, so I suppose it may be a bug
[06:51] <kalorin`> can someone send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>please, just anything not too spammy lookin'
[06:51] <sanzanric> each time i read a feed it goes down a num
[06:52] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: that happens too, but the All Feeds is still three too low
[06:52] <sanzanric> oh, now i see
[06:52] <kalorin`> thanks
[06:52] <bryce_> Hello all!
[06:52] <kalorin`> well at least email is moving again
[06:52] <sanzanric> the all feeds shouldn't change
[06:52] <kalorin`> welp, off to work
[06:53] <sanzanric> Okay, here is an interesting fix
[06:53] <bryce_> I'm new to Kubuntu, just finished installing it.  I've a question about an external hard drive I've got hooked up with all my music on it and I would like to play the songs on Amarok, but I don't know where the external hard drive is to browse and load the songs into the music program.
[06:53] <sanzanric> right click on the all feeds
[06:54] <sanzanric> press f2
[06:54] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ look under the media folder
[06:54] <sanzanric> rename All New Feeds
[06:54] <sanzanric> lol
[06:54] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: still displays the wrong number :S
[06:54] <bryce_> jman, I did look in there but all I find is... Cdrom with nothing in it.
[06:55] <Jmanfoo> how is the hard drive connected?
[06:55] <bryce_> usb port
[06:55] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: "All New Feeds (35)", "News (37)"
[06:55] <Jmanfoo> when you plug it in, does a window pop up asking what you want to do with the files?
[06:55] <bryce_> yes, but I haven't been able to figure that out either LOL
[06:56] <Jmanfoo> plug it in and when that window comes up, select "open folder to view files", or something to that effect
[06:56] <bryce_> i always click open in new window, but nothing ever happens.  Could it be because I'm using adept installer at the moment installing updates?
[06:56] <Jmanfoo> it should open konqueror and give you a location
[06:56] <bryce_> OK... give me a second and I'll see what happens... will unplug and reconnect.
[06:58] <bryce_> jman ---  "A new medium has been detected.  What do you want to do?..... Medium type: Unmounted Removable Medium".... options available are "Open in New Window", "Download Photos with digikam", and "Do Nothing"
[06:59] <Jmanfoo> open in new window
[06:59] <sanzanric> Ch1ppy, sorry, i can't seem to reproduce this glitch, give me a sec
[06:59] <bryce_> OK... I did that but nothing opens up :-S
[06:59] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: sure
[06:59] <Jmanfoo> ok try this
[06:59] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: it seems to happen randomly
[07:00] <bryce_> <<<< listens attentively :)
[07:00] <Jmanfoo> open up a terminal and type "sudo mount /dev/psaux -t auto /media/disk"
[07:00] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: I just got it with a folder, I have a feed with one new item, but the folder (doesn't even get to the "All Feeds" top level) doesn't show it
[07:00] <bryce_> OK... give me a second :) I'm new and slow lol
[07:00] <Jmanfoo> np :)
[07:01] <intelikey> :)
[07:01] <Jmanfoo> hey there intelikey, didn't see you lurking
[07:01] <Jmanfoo> :-p
[07:01] <intelikey> Jmanfoo
[07:01] <bryce_> it says.... "mount: mount point /media/disk does not exist.
[07:02] <intelikey> Jmanfoo saw your comment  :)   "sudo mount /dev/psaux -t auto /media/disk"  :)
[07:02] <intelikey> so can you execute files on the mouse ?
[07:03] <bryce_> you talking to me intelikey?
[07:03] <Jmanfoo> arg !%!#$ i just noticed that
[07:03] <stdin> can you mount a character device? :p
[07:03] <Jmanfoo> should be /dev/sdb1
[07:03] <intelikey> bryce_ no  to Jmanfoo
[07:03] <bryce_> lol ok... thanks :)
[07:03] <bryce_> will try that
[07:04] <Jmanfoo> the /media/disk mount point should be there by default in kubuntu yes?
[07:04] <intelikey> stdin ummm   mount /dev/null -t none /media  ?
[07:04] <intelikey> lol
[07:04] <bryce_> "mount: mount point /media/disk does not exist
[07:04] <sanzanric> Ch1ppy, dose it just seem delayed or dose it just never refreshes
[07:05] <Jmanfoo> eh, i dont remember the command to create a new mount point...
[07:05] <stdin> intelikey: mount: unknown filesystem type 'none'
[07:05] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: the feed refreshes, and I can see the feed itself
[07:05] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: it just displays the wrong number of new feeds for some folders
[07:05] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ try this: "sudo mkdir /media/disk
[07:05] <stdin> bryce_: try just "pmount /dev/sdb1 disk"
[07:05] <intelikey> Jmanfoo no.  default in media is nothing   if you have a cdrom drive  it will add  cdrom0 and symlink cdrom    if you have floppys it adds and if it auto mounts any partitions it makes dirs there for them.
[07:05] <bryce_> geez... I have a bad feeling learning this linux is going to be like the first time i came to the computer years ago lol
[07:06] <Jmanfoo> ahhhh
[07:06] <intelikey> stdin really ?
[07:06] <Jmanfoo> i didnt know, it mounted my USB flash drive to /media/disk automagically
[07:06] <bryce_> so should I still do that one jman?
[07:06] <Jmanfoo> try what stdin just posted
[07:06] <el_isma> Hello! I  kinda broke all my network system. When I try to ping anywhere I get "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted". I tried everything I could think of.
[07:06] <stdin> Jmanfoo: that's because pmount made it
[07:06] <stdin> bryce_: try just "pmount /dev/sdb1 disk" first
[07:07] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: it occurred to me that it may have been an issue that was fixed before, since I haven't restarted akregator in ~3 weeks
[07:07] <stdin> intelikey: without -t none i get "mount: /dev/null is not a block device" :)
[07:07] <intelikey> i guess i forgot the joke then.   there i a type the will mount nothing on a dir   but it's actually ignoring the device arg   so it can be anything    then people think they have /dev/null mounted.
[07:07] <intelikey> i/is/
[07:07] <Ch1ppy> sanzanric: hm, since I haven't restarted it, it may have been a memory leak (although I have no idea how a memory leak would cause that) or something similar
[07:07] <bryce_> stdin ---  it says "error: devis /dev/sdb1 does not exist"
[07:08] <intelikey> but i forgot the type.
[07:08] <bryce_> device*
[07:08] <intelikey> thought it was none.
[07:08] <intelikey> bryce_ if you need to find a partition    cat /proc/partitions
[07:08] <stdin> bryce_: what does "ls /dev/sd?" show ?
[07:09] <intelikey> don't flood. !
[07:09] <sanzanric> a friend of mine is a kde dev, i think this is a common problem, i'll talk to him, sorry i don't think i can help
[07:10] <intelikey> stdin shows 26 devices here.
[07:10] <bryce_> stdin it showed me /dev/sda
[07:10] <Jmanfoo> bryce_: pmount/dev/sda disk
[07:10] <intelikey> space    ^
[07:10] <Jmanfoo> ah, put a space between pmount and /dev/sda
[07:10] <stdin> intelikey: do you even have udev mounted :p
[07:10] <bryce_> trying it
[07:11] <intelikey> stdin no
[07:11] <stdin> intelikey: that would be why then
[07:11] <Jmanfoo> gee folks, i haven't been happier since i installed my linux version of norton
[07:11] <intelikey> yes.  i know that.
[07:11] <bryce_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
[07:11] <bryce_>        missing codepage or other error
[07:11] <bryce_>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[07:11] <bryce_>        dmesg | tail  or so
[07:11] <intelikey> Jmanfoo mc ?
[07:11] <stdin> bryce_: "pmount /dev/sda1"
[07:12] <Jmanfoo> norton internet firewall, email scanner, and network headache generator
[07:12] <bryce_> k, that brought me down a command line and nothing showed up
[07:12] <Jmanfoo> ok now try cd /media/disk
[07:12] <intelikey> Jmanfoo lol "network headache generator"   nice .
[07:12] <stdin> it will probably be in /media/sda1
[07:12] <intelikey> yes.
[07:13] <bryce_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
[07:13] <bryce_>        missing codepage or other error
[07:13] <bryce_>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[07:13] <bryce_>        dmesg | tail  or so
[07:13] <Jmanfoo> i got an app i use a work that blows all norton libraries, binaries, and registry entries away in 30 seconds flat
[07:13] <bryce_> oops
[07:13] <bryce_> sorry
[07:13] <intelikey> i illuded to that eariler.
[07:13] <bryce_> wrong copy and paste lol
[07:13] <intelikey> and that.
[07:13] <magicalmoose> hey, its me again, emm im having a problem with kbe, kubuntu, and my sound card. if anyone thinks they can help, please say something.
[07:13] <bryce_> bash: cd: /media/disk: No such file or directory
[07:13] <Jmanfoo> cd /media/sda1
[07:13] <bryce_> that worked :)
[07:13] <stdin> ls /media could have helped there :p
[07:14] <Jmanfoo> thats odd, because my sata hdd mounts as /dev/sda1
[07:14] <intelikey> or the tab key
[07:14] <intelikey> scsi emulation
[07:14] <intelikey> maybe.
[07:14] <bryce_> now the command line says "bryce@bryce:/media/sda1$"
[07:14] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ type ls
[07:14] <stdin> usb disks always use scsi
[07:15] <intelikey> that's an L
[07:15] <intelikey> yeah but he said sata
[07:15] <bryce_> lol thanks intelikey ;)
[07:15] <stdin> sata is scsi too
[07:15] <Jmanfoo> yeah its an internal SATA drive, and all 3 partitions mount as /dev/sda*
[07:15] <bryce_> OK jman, I can see the folder names on the command lines now.  What next? lol
[07:15] <Jmanfoo> but my usb devices mount as /dev/sdb
[07:16] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ go into amarok and browse to /media/sda1 and find your music :)
[07:16] <intelikey> stdin ummm i think not.   i think it can use scsi emulation or ide
[07:16] <stdin> intelikey: I mean in linux, with libata
[07:16] <stdin> linux meaning the kernel
[07:16] <intelikey> oh ok.   then i'll defer
[07:17] <Jmanfoo> !info rtfm
[07:17] <ubotu> rtfm: RT FAQ Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.3-1.1 (feisty), package size 68 kB, installed size 800 kB
[07:17] <raylu> LOL
[07:19] <Jmanfoo> i think norton's approach to internet security is to turn the internet off, thereby making you absolutely secure
[07:19] <raylu> lol. mcafee decided that irc was unsafe
[07:19] <Jmanfoo> or eating up so many resources that your system is unusable
[07:19] <intelikey> dapper doesn't call this sata an scsi disk.  it calls it an ide disk  but edgy called everything scsi didn't it ?
[07:19] <raylu> so it blocked 6667. before realizing mcafee was at fault, i got on freenode from 6665
[07:20] <Daisuke_Ido> feisty started calling everything scsi then didn't
[07:20] <stdin> intelikey: feisty did, any kernel at or above 2.6.20
[07:20] <Jmanfoo> hmm, so in theory, a true scsi disk and a sata disk might appear the same to linux?
[07:20] <el_isma> I  kinda broke all my network system. When I try to ping anywhere I get "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted". I tried everything I could think of.and 74 script
[07:20] <raylu> if by "might," you mean "do" (at least to me), yes
[07:20] <intelikey> oh feisty   yeah   but didn't they fix that
[07:20] <Daisuke_Ido> stdin: it calls my hdd sda and my dvd-rw hda on my laptop
[07:20] <Jmanfoo> in that case, is there a linux-based hard drive cloning app?
[07:20] <Daisuke_Ido> Jmanfoo: yeah, dd
[07:21] <bryce_> Yippie!  Only problem now, is that Amarok wants me to download a plugin for playing mp3's, clicked yes and now waiting for hopefully what will be good results :)
[07:21] <jhutchins> el_isma: How did you manage to do that?
[07:21] <raylu> bryce_, that codec install script is buggy
[07:21] <intelikey> Jmanfoo you bet.   dd   even cat can.   but dd is the tool of choice
[07:21] <Jmanfoo> i've always used Ghost but it doesn't like going from scsi to sata
[07:21] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: yeah, some IDE devices will still be hdX, depends on the type. my cd/dvd is /dev/scd0
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> but so far, i'm loving ubuntu dells :D
[07:22] <intelikey> el_isma that's a permissions issue    sudo ping ununtu.com
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> i only have two problems, and they're both minor
[07:22] <el_isma> intelikey: Nop, I'm in root
[07:22] <Jmanfoo> !info mp3
[07:22] <ubotu> Package mp3 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:22] <vip3rousmango> Anyone know how to solve aRts serversound error? I just installed kde-multimedia pkg and when I try to run Noatun, I keep getting "Connecting/starting aRts soundserver faild. Make sure that artsd is configured properly."
[07:22] <raylu> Jmanfoo, libxine-extracodecs
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> el_isma: that's pretty not-smart, donchathink?
[07:23] <Jmanfoo> aha, bryce_ install that package raylu just posted
[07:23] <intelikey> el_isma hmm i get that error for users but not root.      what did you do to it ?
[07:23] <raylu> bryce_, if you do that, i'd recommend amarok is closed first
[07:23] <Jmanfoo> sorry folks, i had a few too many beers in my youth and my memory is bad
[07:23] <el_isma> jhutchins: I tried to bridge two ifaces and failed. When they were bridged they told me the same error. I destroyed the bridge and tried connecting, same error. Rebooting didn't help.
[07:23] <el_isma> Daisuke_Ido: not in this case. I know of the dangers, thank you
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> fair enough
[07:24] <jhutchins> vip3rousmango: set it to use alsa.
[07:24] <bryce_> So what should I download for a package?  Sorry, missed that.
[07:24] <raylu> bryce_, libxine-extracodecs
[07:24] <raylu> i'm assuming amarok failed?
[07:24] <jhutchins> el_isma: virtualbox?
[07:24] <ardchoille> If you know of the dangers, and have been using Linux for any long length of time, you wouldn't run in root and be irc'ing ;)
[07:24] <bryce_> Yes it did fail
[07:24] <vip3rousmango> jhutchins: set what? Noatun doesn't run, that error pops up before it loads
[07:24] <bryce_> So how do I download that package?
[07:24] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ use adept manager
[07:25] <el_isma> jhutchins: nop, an atheros card and wired eth2 (for some strange reason, my only eth card is named eth2)
[07:25] <raylu> bryce_, adept. kmenu > system...i think. unless you want to try the konsole?
[07:25] <bryce_> K, thanks, looking now :)
[07:25] <Daisuke_Ido> if my touchpad were recognized as a touchpad, and my svideo were configured by default, i would be very very happy
[07:25] <intelikey> !info  libxine-extracodecs | bryce_
[07:25] <ubotu> bryce_: libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[07:25] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ its under system on the kmenu if you don't find it
[07:26] <Jmanfoo> !info Jmanfoo
[07:26] <ubotu> Package jmanfoo does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:26] <raylu> ...
[07:26] <Jmanfoo> lol
[07:26] <Jmanfoo> it should!
[07:26] <jhutchins> !botabuse | Jmanfoo
[07:26] <ubotu> Jmanfoo: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:27] <jhutchins> vip3rousmango: Not sure what to suggest then, noatun is filed under "broken" in my notes.
[07:27] <jhutchins> xine, amarok, vlc, mplayer all usually work.
[07:28] <bryce_> OK... I'm seriously lost... I'm suppose to go to Adept Installer, I searched the package and it doesn't come up :(
[07:28] <Jmanfoo> yes thank you i know that the package does not exist
[07:28] <vip3rousmango> jhutchins: serious eh. Hmm.. i have amarok but I don't like it too much..
[07:28] <el_isma> jhutchins, intelikey: I restarted again now and it's working. I don't have a clue...
[07:28] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ try just searching for libxine and looking through the list
[07:28] <jhutchins> bryce_: Which package/
[07:28] <jhutchins> ?
[07:28] <intelikey> el_isma oh,  that's normal for me,
[07:28] <jhutchins> !find libxine
[07:28] <ardchoille> Jmanfoo: That package will probably exist right after they start keeping libpatience.so.0 in the repos, lol
[07:28] <ubotu> Found: libxine-dev, libxine1, libxine1-dbg, libxine1-kde, libxinerama-dev (and 8 others)
[07:28] <el_isma> intelikey: Just restarting is one of the things I learnt not to rely on for linux...
[07:28] <bryce_> where do I type that jhut?
[07:29] <jhutchins> !info libxine-extracodecs
[07:29] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[07:29] <raylu> bryce_, do you have adept open yet?
[07:29] <bryce_> yes, I just typed in the search and it came up with no results
[07:29] <el_isma> intelikey, jhutchins: thanks for your help!
[07:29] <jhutchins> bryce_: You may need to enable universe and multiverse, then update your sources.
[07:29] <intelikey> el_isma yeah i would NOT have sujested it...    i mean "not having a clue"  is normal for me.   sorry for the extrea confussion seeing you had sufficient already
[07:30] <bryce_> I just installed kubuntu tonight jhut... I'm totally new... waht does that mean?
[07:30] <notv> hello, does anyone know of a program that will convert daa to iso?
[07:30] <intelikey> el_isma and you is sho' welcome
[07:30] <Jmanfoo> notv, not in linux
[07:30] <Jmanfoo> daa is a proprietary format
[07:30] <notv> drats
[07:30] <jhutchins> bryce_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[07:30] <el_isma> intelikey: Lol. Indeed, I had enough for a couple of days! The weirdest thing is that I got this bridge working yesterday, and I even wrote down the steps... Bridges don't get along with me :(
[07:30] <Daisuke_Ido> what's daa?
[07:31] <Jmanfoo> poweriso will do it, even the trial version
[07:31] <notv> screw those propreitaries
[07:31] <ardchoille> bryce_: Yeah, check that link jhutchinsjust posted, good info there
[07:31] <Jmanfoo> daa is the proprietary filesystem image format used by PowerISO
[07:31] <Daisuke_Ido> uh-huh
[07:31] <jhutchins> el_isma: What is the actual goal of the bridge?
[07:31] <notv> yes poweriso says it works for linux on their site, but i dl it and it is an executable file
[07:31] <notv> it doesnt want to install for me
[07:31] <bryce_> OK, thank you jhut!
[07:31] <ardchoille> intelikey: lol
[07:31] <Daisuke_Ido> when i left windows, alcohol 120% was the most awesome kid on the block, so... :\
[07:31] <raylu> bryce_, http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu <--bottom of that page
[07:31] <bryce_> BRB... going to dive into this information :)
[07:32] <stdin> notv: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion < take a look there
[07:32] <Jmanfoo> notv make sure you dl'ed the right version
[07:32] <bryce_> Thanks Raylu :D
[07:32] <notv> it was the only dl option for linux
[07:33] <stdin> bryce_: kubuntu actually means something else to ubuntu
[07:33] <el_isma> jhutchins: providing LAN wifi side. I had NATed before, and I just don't like that solution. A bridge it's much better (ie: I can play games without problem)
[07:33] <stdin> bryce_: kubuntu means "Humanity Towards Others"
[07:33] <bryce_> ah too much information for first nnight lol
[07:33] <raylu> + KDE :D
[07:33] <bryce_> *writes down some more*
[07:33] <el_isma> stdin: "ubuntu", not "Kubuntu" ;)
[07:33] <intelikey> stdin without the K
[07:33] <jhutchins> stdin: Yes, but in which of the many "african languages"?
[07:34] <Jmanfoo> jhutchins, french
[07:34] <intelikey> africanees
[07:34] <raylu> ...
[07:34] <jhutchins> But of course!
[07:34] <ardchoille> Isn't it Swahili ?
[07:34] <jhutchins> I suspect that it's a steaming pile of kawabunga myself.
[07:34] <stdin> http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#kubuntumeaning
[07:34] <notv> what about IsoBuster?
[07:34] <intelikey> maybe zolu for all i know
[07:34] <jhutchins> "an african language"
[07:34] <Daisuke_Ido> did someone say cowabunga?
[07:35] <notv> it is zulu
[07:35] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[07:35] <jhutchins> Daisuke_Ido: yeah, I think someone stepped insome on their way in.
[07:35] <Jmanfoo> as far as i know, poweriso is the only prog that can handle .daa files
[07:35] <Jmanfoo> which is why people who seed torrents in that format should be strung up by the short and curlies
[07:35] <intelikey> you guys are a hoot
[07:35] <intelikey> :)
[07:35] <notv> i guess ill just get poweriso for the windows box
[07:35] <stdin> notv: isobuster should convert just about anything
[07:35] <bryce_> Why do I have to "request install"?  Why can't I just install it?
[07:36] <Jmanfoo> bryce_ you request to install all the apps you want, then hit apply at the top
[07:36] <Jmanfoo> its so you can install more than one thing at a time
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> jhutchins: stepped in some radioactive ooze? i want some :D
[07:36] <bryce_> ooooh, thanks :) lol I would have been waiting to receive a reply LOL
[07:37] <Jmanfoo> anyone here ever built X.org from source?
[07:37] <bryce_> it's a whole new world for me
[07:37] <ardchoille> bryce_: cuz you're using a gui when cli is much easier?
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> plus your install has to go through six different departments at Canonical, and any one can deny your install request for any reason
[07:37] <bryce_> been windows for so long LOL
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> makes it an adventure trying to get anything :D
[07:37] <ardchoille> bryce_: What are you trying to install?
[07:37] <Jmanfoo> ardchoille, i definately don't recommend the CL for a new linux user
[07:37] <bryce_> i'm lost again :P
[07:37] <notv> stdin is isobuster on any repositories?
[07:37] <ardchoille> Jmanfoo: Ah, new linux user? Good point
[07:37] <stdin> notv: no, it's a windows app, but it runs in wine well
[07:37] <ardchoille> !isobuster
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about isobuster - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> Jmanfoo: then when they have to use the CLI for something, they get flustered and go back to windows?
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> i dun think so
[07:38] <intelikey> stdin !   i think it worked as a symlink.
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> introduce it early
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> but keep it limited
[07:38] <Jmanfoo> sure, but gently Daisuke_Ido
[07:38] <notv> stdin how can i install it? directly from the site and run in terminal?
[07:38] <Jmanfoo> we did just have bryce mount an external drive from the CLI
[07:38] <stdin> intelikey: so now you can make your users think they've been hax0rd :p
[07:39] <Jmanfoo> and then we had him whip up a python-ncurses script to do it automatically from now on
[07:39] <intelikey> stdin no i can tell them i'm doing something on the server so they don't power it off.
[07:39] <Jmanfoo> so he's learning fast
[07:39] <intelikey> stdin has happened twice in 24
[07:39] <stdin> notv: install wine, then download the exe and run is from konsole with "wine filename.exe"
[07:40] <notv> i have wine
[07:40] <Daisuke_Ido> servers being powered off twice in 24 hours?
[07:40] <Daisuke_Ido> craptacular uptime there.
[07:40] <notv> oh yea thats right