[00:51] <imnichol> Is thunderbird contact integration still supported?
[00:52] <imnichol> Nevermind, answered my own question
[01:15] <mmcc> arch, py2app from bitbucket requires a future version of macholib to install
[01:15] <mmcc> s/arch/argh/
[01:15] <mmcc> I'm setting up the new mac to build and documenting the steps to get a working setup-mac with all the packaging tools… sadly, this is a moving target
[01:16] <mmcc> if you start with the current win-installer, setup-mac itself needs some tweaks.
[01:16] <mmcc> time to leave the internet again… see you all tomorrow
[08:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[10:42] <gatox> good morning
[11:01] <mandel_> ralsina, ping
[11:03] <mandel_> gatox, hello
[11:03] <gatox> mandel, hi
[11:03] <gatox> mandel_, ^
[11:03] <mandel_> gatox, hallo, how are things going?
[11:04] <gatox> mandel_, fine..... did you read my email?
[11:04] <mandel_> no, sorry, I don't travel with machines with the canonical credentials in case I loose the machine
[11:05] <mandel_> gatox ^
[11:05] <gatox> mandel_, ahhhh ok... i told you i finish with the branches, and if you are bored a review will be helpful :P
[11:06] <mandel_> gatox will do :)
[11:06] <mandel_> gatox, I also wrote some black magic, look => http://paste.ubuntu.com/1074603/
[11:07] <gatox> mandel_, what are you doing?
[11:07] <mandel_> gatox, makes twisted.spread.pb use json instead of banana by doing import platano; platoon.install()
[11:07] <mandel_> gatox, s/platoon/platano :)
[11:08] <mandel_> gatox, all tests pass in sso using json instead of the banana protocol hehe
[11:08] <gatox> mandel_, this pycon seems to be really productive for you jejeje
[11:08] <mandel_> gatox, is evil code, look at the last line hehe
[11:09] <mandel_> ralsina, ^ one of my objectives done in code I might not mea lowed to land :P
[11:09] <gatox> jejeje yes..... you are pissing on the lib
[11:10] <mandel_> gatox, yes, but it makes all the project work with json without changing a line of code
[11:10] <mandel_> gatox, just adding one :)
[11:17]  * mandel_ lunch time
[11:44] <rye> mandel: have you tested U1 on FAT32 in windows xp?
[12:04] <alecu> buenos dias, all!
[12:05] <alecu> hola everybody!
[12:06] <gatox> alecu, hi
[12:20] <alecu> mandel: merge conflict in https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/fsevents-daemon/+merge/112393
[12:38] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:38] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[12:39] <ralsina> mandel, WTF
[12:40] <ralsina> mandel: is that thing doing a man in the middle to pb or something?
[12:57] <gatox> ralsina, really small review please: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/logo-replace/+merge/113394 (with pretty pictures)
[12:57] <ralsina> gatox: sure
[12:57] <ralsina> gatox: conflicts
[12:58] <gatox> whaaaaattttttttttt
[12:58] <gatox> looking.....
[12:58] <ralsina> gatox: also, please target the bug also to the ubuntuone-control-panel ubuntu package and the 3-0 4-0 branches, and to the precise and quantal series
[13:02] <ralsina> gatox: you are merging in the wrong project :-)
[13:02] <gatox> ralsina, ohhhhhhhh right
[13:02] <gatox> ralsina, too much time working on fsevents
[13:02] <gatox> jejejee
[13:03] <ralsina> jajaja
[13:10] <gatox> ralsina, now in the right project: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/logo-replace/+merge/113395  it was to see if you were paying attention :P
[13:10] <gatox> ralsina, i target the bug to 3-0 and 4-0 i don't know if i need to do something else..... i'm kind of lost with that part of launchpad
[13:11] <ralsina> gatox: oh, we need to get you back in touch ;-)
[13:13] <ralsina> gatox: 1st: "also affects distribution" -> package name: ubuntuone-control-panel
[13:13] <ralsina> gatox: then you can "nominate for series" and there it's P and Q
[13:13] <ralsina> gatox: also ask lisette for review
[13:14] <gatox> ralsina, roger all that! thx!
[13:21] <gatox> ralsina, it was approved by lisette
[13:21] <ralsina> ok then, let's review :-)
[13:21] <gatox> ralsina, should i merge it or look for a second review?
[13:21] <ralsina> I'll do it, will be quick, won't hurt a bit.
[13:26] <gatox> alecu, please remember to review my branches when you have some time.... pretty please :P
[13:28] <alecu> gatox: ack!
[13:29] <gatox> alecu, thx
[13:47] <alecu> ralsina: re: http://askubuntu.com/questions/156811/proxy-settings-for-ubuntu-one-on-windows
[13:47] <alecu> ralsina: authenticated proxy is no longer working on windows :-(
[13:47] <ralsina> alecu: urgh
[13:47] <alecu> ralsina: I've just tested on a clean VM, and it won't login
[13:48] <ralsina> alecu: ok, I will switch to windows and will try to debug it today after lunch
[13:48] <alecu> ralsina: anonymous proxy seems to still be working fine.
[13:48] <ralsina> alecu: "no longer working" may be optimistic
[13:48] <ralsina> alecu: since before this release no proxy worked ;-)
[13:48] <alecu> ralsina: right :P
[13:49] <alecu> ralsina: well, I'm taking a look at the code right now, too.
[13:49] <ralsina> alecu: ok, you know more about it than I do
[13:49] <ralsina> I can try to do bloody testability driver instead
[13:49] <alecu> ralsina: be my guest!
[14:56] <mmcc> Hi folks, I'm working some today but can't be here for the standup, so:
[14:56] <mmcc> DONE: still more path-finding, tests, packaging on 10.7, notes to improve dev setup doc
[14:56] <mmcc> TODO: see above, propose some branches
[14:56] <mmcc> BLCK: none
[14:57] <mmcc> I'll be back in an hour or so to push some branches I worked on last night
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:00] <gatox> standup??
[15:01] <alecu> me (notes coming along)
[15:01] <gatox> are we ralsina alecu and i? is the rest of people enjoy independence day?
[15:02] <alecu> gatox: or europython
[15:02] <gatox> small standup it is
[15:03] <gatox> go for me?
[15:03] <alecu> gatox: go
[15:03] <gatox> DONE:
[15:03] <gatox> Finish with refactoring! YEYY \o/. Fix a logo issue in u1-cp. Start working on udf ancestors for darwin.
[15:03] <gatox> TODO:
[15:03] <gatox> Finish with udf ancestors for darwin. Start preparing everything for PyCamp! :D
[15:03] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:03] <gatox> No
[15:03] <gatox> COMMENTS:
[15:03] <gatox> Tomorrow i'll be working from 7 to 16 ART, because i need to catch a plain at 17.
[15:04] <gatox> alecu, go
[15:04] <alecu> DONE: reviews, catchup with briancurtin re:p3k, debugging of auth proxy on windows
[15:04] <alecu> TODO: more debugging, more reviews
[15:04] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[15:04] <alecu> NEXT: ralsina
[15:04] <alecu> gatox: how do you "catch a plain" ?
[15:04] <gatox> alecu, with both hands
[15:04] <alecu> gatox: oh, you probably meant "plane" :-)
[15:04] <gatox> ahhhhhhhhh
[15:05] <gatox> i didn't notice i write that
[15:05] <gatox> yes, plane
[15:10] <gatox> eom?
[15:11]  * gatox is interested in the EOM for the start of lunch
[15:14] <alecu> gatox: if I was you, I'll already be eating.
[15:14] <gatox> ok then!
[15:15]  * gatox lunch
[15:48] <ralsina> sorry about missing standup guys I am not feeling very well
[15:49] <gatox_lunch> ralsina, no problem..... take care or you won't be able to enjoy the pycamp :(
[15:52] <ralsina> gatox_lunch: I am going to pycamp even if I have to spend it with a blanket in my shoulders and dipped in vick vaporub
[15:53] <gatox_lunch> ralsina, that's the attitude!
[16:24] <mmcc> so, I'm wondering if anyone was able to make my setup-mac script work on 10.7. alecu, IIRC you were going to try at one point?
[16:24] <mmcc> I was doing that on my new laptop last night and ran into a few troubles
[16:28] <mmcc> for some reason, py2app decided that it should make 'semi-standalone' executables on 10.7. I think it's a change in how python is installed, but it might be a change in py2app. I'm looking now. anyway, setup-mac broke between 10.6 and 10.7
[16:31] <ralsina> what's a semi-standalone?
[16:32] <ralsina> needs python? needs libraries?
[16:32] <ralsina> needs crutches?
[16:32] <mmcc> needs python.framework in the system location, but bundles the 3rd-party libraries
[16:32] <mmcc> not a good idea, IMO. not sure why they support it
[16:33] <mmcc> means you use whatever version of python the user has installed
[16:33] <dobey> as long as it's > 2.6
[16:35] <thisfred> don't you have to go out and celebrate oildependence day?
[16:36] <mmcc> dopey, ? not sure what you mean. OSX user probably has >2.6 but they can always mess it up
[16:36] <mmcc> argh dopey not dopey. sorry.
[16:36]  * mmcc blames autocorrect
[16:36] <mmcc> stupid autoinsult
[16:37] <ralsina> mmcc agreed I think a "own python" is a better idea, but if it works for testing I don't mind right now
[16:37] <mmcc> ralsina: the thing is, it doesn't work :)
[16:37] <ralsina> well then I mind ;-)
[16:37] <mmcc> thisfred: Texas Independence Day was March 3rd
[16:38] <mmcc> this is more like "begrudging acceptance of federal authority" day
[16:39] <dobey> Alamo Day is not this day
[16:39] <ralsina> I think I will lay down and call a doctor. Sinuses + cold shivers + nausea may be indicators of me being somewhat sick.
[16:39] <mmcc> feel better soon ralsina
[16:39] <ralsina> mmcc: "we can leave anytime we want" day
[16:40] <mmcc> oh, Texas.
[16:42] <mmcc> hm, pep8 grew some new indentation complaints
[16:44] <mmcc> also, anyone know what's going on with the tarmac complaints here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-1018614-darwin-raise/+merge/112493
[16:45] <mmcc> and finally, more stuff that used to work. - I'm now getting a ton of "wrapped C/C++ object of %S has been deleted" errors while running the control-panel test suite (on 10.7)
[16:46] <mmcc> I'm about to check it on 10.6 again
[16:48] <mmcc> it looks like every single test case pops that up on 10.7
[16:48] <ralsina> going to the doctor's. mmcc, i building on 10.6 makes it work on both, then yay, no rush to debug. If it doesn't... unhappy face.
[17:10] <mmcc> ok, so running those control-panel qt tests on 10.6 still works.
[17:10] <mmcc> one possible explanation is that the pyqt on my 10.6 box is 4.9.1 and the new pyqt on the 10.7 box is 4.9.4, and maybe they broke something big in a 0.0.x release?
[17:52] <mmcc> hey, what do you know, more Stuff That Used To Work™. Anyone recognize this error when running windows tests? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1075167
[18:00] <mmcc> never mind, a runaway trial process was holding on to the trial_temp dir. Not a great error message though
[18:05] <mmcc> ok, I have to leave now. I'll work more tonight, but I won't be back on IRC until then. back to normal schedule tomorrow, can't wait
[18:14] <rye> ralsina: was windows XP on Fat32 tested with Ubuntu One ?
[18:14] <rye> ralsina: nevermind, the issue is not with that
[18:37] <alecu> mmcc: we've only been using 4.7 and 4.8 in windows and ubuntu. Perhaps it's related to that?
[18:49] <gatox> brb! need to buy some cookies (the solution when you feel sleepy)
[19:03] <gatox> back
[19:57] <gatox> i need to leaveeeeee.... so eod for me..... see you tomorrow people!


[00:41] <blahdeblah> head_victim: I was just going to say that the way i would do that is to just dd the whole 80 GB drive (unless it's not very full) over the top of the 120 GB drive
[00:42] <blahdeblah> (i.e. dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdd bs=256k or something  like that - be careful though: if you mix up the drives, you'll trash your data.)
[00:43] <blahdeblah> That would copy the entire drive including partition table.  Then you could use gparted to expand the partition and filesystem sizes to their maximum.
[00:43] <blahdeblah> That's the way i would do it, unless there were other things i wanted to do at the time, like convert to LVM, or use a different filesystem type.
[00:44] <head_victim> Oh sorry yeah that
[00:44] <head_victim> I ended up dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdc1
[00:45] <head_victim> I tried the cp one but it kept whinging about out of space so I was playing with dd and then I realised I'd partitioned it wrong so after repartitioning it now running
[00:47] <head_victim> Didn't use any bs switches though, is that enouhg of a drama to want to redo it when it's done?
[00:47] <blahdeblah> no, just makes it faster
[00:47] <blahdeblah> bs is block size, and i usually use at least 256 KB, often 1 MB
[00:48] <head_victim> Yeah, some people suggest 4mb, some suggest smaller, some don't use it so I just thought I wouldn't use it for now
[00:48] <blahdeblah> If you're less than 20% of the way through, it's probably worth stopping and restarting the process with bs to get the speed gain.
[00:48] <head_victim> Nah as long as it takes less than a day I'm right
[00:48] <blahdeblah> If you don't use bs, it defaults to 512 bytes, which is ridiculously small nowadays
[00:51] <head_victim> It was only an 80gb drive with about 5 - 10 gb used so it's not a 1tb or anything.
[06:39] <head_victim> elky: I've noticed that there's emails showing up on the gmane list online but not coming to my email address. The last one from nisshh never hit my inbox.
[06:40] <nisshh> i second that elky ^^^^
[06:40] <nisshh> same happens for me
[06:41] <head_victim> Still getting the moderation ones though.
[06:42] <elky> my inbox matches gmane
[06:43] <elky> LoCo Day successfully got to me
[06:43] <head_victim> I don't have the last one from the list where he wrote up the wiki
[06:43] <darkrose> last list email I got was LoCo Day
[06:43] <elky> head_victim, could you use subject lines to speed this up?
[06:43] <elky> "the one where he did action" means I have to read all the mails :P
[06:44] <head_victim> Sorry
[06:44] <elky> I see a bounce for nisshh for 00:22.
[06:44] <head_victim> Actually it was the third last one
[06:44] <head_victim> I'm getting myself confused I was looking at it last night
[06:44] <nisshh> i havent got any since i sent the loco day one to the list
[06:44] <elky> ah no, that's a reply
[06:45] <elky> nisshh, i'm confused. was that or was that not the last mail you sent?
[06:47] <head_victim> I thought I'd missed the "IRC fortnightly sessions" and "Loco day" but have reread my inbox and they're there now.
[06:48] <elky> usually if they show up on gmane or the mailman archive, you just need to wait for a clog in the mail queue to pass.
[06:48] <head_victim> Ah ok *makes mental note*
[06:49] <blahdeblah> head_victim: I'm not even getting password reminders when i ask for them from mailman at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/options/ubuntu-au
[06:49] <elky> highly visible mail servers manage to find themselves under large piles of spam to deal with occasionally, sometimes these large piles of spam will strike in the middle of sending out the same mail to 300 people.
[06:49] <head_victim> I'd hate to think how much traffic lists.ubuntu.com gets :/
[06:49] <elky> a metric beeptonne.
[06:49] <nisshh> elky, that was the last email i sent to the list
[06:50] <head_victim> Maybe it's lagging a bit then.
[06:50] <nisshh> i would say a lot
[06:51] <nisshh> since i sent the loco day mail a long time ago
[06:51] <elky> it's also why the sysadmins ask that we don't blacklist addresses unless they're responsible for lots of bad mails.
[06:51] <head_victim> Fair call, I default to discard.
[06:52] <elky> yep, good
[06:52] <nisshh> elky, my email isnt blacklisted is it?
[06:52] <head_victim> I think that was one of the first things you mentioned when I started it. It's been a good learning experience actually.
[06:53] <elky> head_victim, as a datapoint, I was taken off the moderator list for ubuntu-users recently, the amount of spam I get has reduced to a fraction
[06:53] <elky> nisshh, no
[06:53] <nisshh> ok
[06:54] <nisshh> actually
[06:54] <nisshh> now ive looked
[06:54] <nisshh> i dont have anything from the list since the 10th of this month
[06:54] <elky> nisshh, and if you don't send us "make your peepee bigger" mails in quantities of 10/day, we wont.
[06:54] <head_victim> I'm so glad I use filters though, I'd have no idea how to cope with it otherwise.
[06:54] <nisshh> elky, yeah, of course
[06:55] <Zanthus> just one question - unity, as it appears in 10.10, requires some sort of hardware graphics acceleration to run doesn't it?  like a nvidia or ati GPU?
[06:56] <elky> Zanthus, intel acceleration is fine too
[06:59] <nisshh> Zanthus, i ran Unity on my P4 with an Intel IGP here, works fine
[06:59] <nisshh> just a bit slow thats all'
[06:59] <Zanthus> I might give it a try on this netbook then
[06:59] <nisshh> you should
[07:00] <head_victim> I'm hanging out for the first iso's with it on the desktop so I can vm it.
[07:00] <nisshh> unless its a really useless netbook, itll run it
[07:00] <darkrose> don't forget nisshh's hardware predates silicon
[07:00] <nisshh> darkrose, i cant argue with that :)
[07:03] <head_victim> blahdeblah: see if it turns up in the next 24 hours I guess (re the password thing), I have no idea how much lag could be in the system.
[10:03] <jfer> nisshh:are there any classroom sessions planned yet?
[10:05] <nisshh> jfer, do you mean for the classroom thing i organised? or for loco day?
[10:06] <jfer> oh so there are 2 separate things?
[10:07] <nisshh> jfer, yes, but if your reffering to the topic i talked about last meeting then you will remember i said im taking suggestions
[10:07] <nisshh> so suggest away :)
[10:08] <nisshh> jfer, the first session will probably be held sometime late december/early january
[10:08] <jfer> ok. i would be interested in a session on triaging bugs
[10:08] <nisshh> maybe earier
[10:08] <nisshh> good suggestions
[10:08] <nisshh> i should make a list
[10:09] <jfer> perhaps you could add a suggestions section to the wiki
[10:09] <nisshh> ah thats right
[10:09] <nisshh> thanks for reminding me jfer :)
[10:09] <nisshh> jfer, have you seen the wiki page for it?
[10:10] <jfer> yes, I have.
[10:10] <nisshh> cool
[10:10] <jfer> i think if be make better use of the wiki it will help us regain official LoCo status
[10:10] <nisshh> jfer, although, if you want a session on triaging bugs, i expect you to come to the session (i dont want people suggesting sessions they want and then going away)
[10:11] <nisshh> jfer, exactly
[10:11] <nisshh> also
[10:11] <nisshh> i havent added it to the projects page yet :)
[10:12] <jfer> do you have experience in triaging bugs?
[10:13] <nisshh> jfer, ive been on the bugsquad for 4 months
[10:13] <nisshh> im no guru
[10:13] <nisshh> but i know the basics plus some more
[10:13] <nisshh> and i have experience as well
[10:14] <darkrose> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/BugJams/HowToTriageClass2010July24m/Projects/BugJams/HowToTriageClass2010July24
[10:15] <jfer> ok. I have no real experience yet. I suspect a class aimed at beginners would be appropriate.
[10:15] <darkrose> logs from the last how-to-triage we had in here
[10:16] <nisshh> darkrose, 1) that was ages ago 2) kermiac is busy and 3) the bugjam is a social event, not a how-to-triage event
[10:16] <nisshh> jfer, yeah, my thinking exactly
[10:17] <nisshh> jfer, please add suggestions to the wiki if you have any more :)
[10:18] <darkrose> nisshh: 1) 2.5 months 2) doesn't make the data any less valid 3) "HowToTriageClass" looks like a how-to to me
[10:20] <nisshh> meh, whatever
[12:01] <jfer> i am having trouble packaging something
[12:01] <jfer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/531148/
[12:01] <jfer> i keep getting this error
[12:02] <dns53> you have all the required libraries to build the package?
[12:03] <dns53> have a look on line 1337 of the make file
[12:05] <elky> 1337, lol
[12:05] <elky> sorry, carry on
[12:05] <sagaci> yeah saw that too
[12:06] <jfer> ok i tried making the package with the make command and it worked
[12:06] <jfer> hang on i think something may not be listed in the depends because debuild is a minimal build environment
[13:02] <elky> !irclogs > cthulhu


[04:18] <Asacarv> Bom dia!
[04:18] <Asacarv> Alguém do Brasil???
[04:21] <Asacarv> someone can chat?
[04:26] <Eickmeyer> !pt | Asacarv
[04:45] <Asacarv> ok
[06:53] <t0rg> yo! hydrogen seems to have gone missing after upgrading to focal, reading the release notes I was expecting to find hydrogen1beta as a replacement, though. Anyone know where it's gone, or did I mess up the upgrade?
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> t0rg: What does "sudo apt install hydrogen" do?
[15:21] <Eickmeyer> Ugh... Matrix is horrible about showing part messages.
[16:55] <fgould> I am trying to install 20.04 raspberry pi image and it ends up at the login prompt instead of what I'm used to with mate. Do I have to install a desktop and enable it after installing the server? Also, is it possible to install the studio desktop because I couldn't find how to do that on top of 20.04?
[17:19] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer | fgould
[17:21] <Eickmeyer> fgould: FYI, we don't support installations on raspberry pis. They're underpowered for our software. Ubuntu Studio is intended for powerful machines.
[17:33] <fgould> AH, thanks Eickmeyer. I was sort of gathering that from reading the studio pages. It is unfortunate the link points to a list of desktops that includes studio when it's not available for RPi.
[17:34] <OvenWerks> fgould: studio uses xfce same as xubuntu
[17:34] <OvenWerks> if you are lookig for the desktop
[17:34] <fgould> Thanks OvenWerks. That will probably work for me. I'll try that now.
[18:36] <linuxgecko> i have a usb audio controller that has 2 stereo outs, and one Stereo? input.  in carla, i only see the first output and the input.  how do i get jack/carla to see both outputs?
[18:40] <Eickmeyer> linuxgecko: Make sure Carla's config is set to "Jack" and "Multiple Clients".


[04:53] <ddoobb> Hey guys I'm trying to enable hibernation in Xubuntu, it seems to be disabled by default. Do I just follow the Ubuntu tutorials? There doesn't seem to be anything about Xubuntu out there. New to Xubuntu.
[07:19] <ddoobb> I have a problem. I did 'xfce4-session-logout -h'. The system turned off. Now it turns on in exactly the same state everytime, with the browser opened with the same tabs and everything. I reboooted it multiple time. I can also not access the desktop and the panels. What is going on
[07:19] <ddoobb> Windows are opening without their title bars
[08:37] <Alinka-malinka> i am not sure but how can i speed up the mouse wheel scrolling?
[08:37] <Alinka-malinka> its working slow
[09:58] <brainwash> Alinka-malinka: Settings > Mouse
[10:08] <brainwash> Alinka-malinka: actually not there. looks like you have to configure separately for your apps if possible, or via this tweak https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/307932
[12:44] <Alinka-malinka> oh damn i am nto sure if i can configure that lol...
[12:46] <brainwash> is it a specific application? like, the web browser for example
[12:49] <sia>  ive added sound notifications for irssi now, can anyone
[12:49] <sia>                  mention me and pm me for test pls?
[12:50] <sia> fdf
[12:50] <sia> what happened
[12:52] <Alinka-malinka> yes brainwash for firefox
[12:54] <brainwash> Alinka-malinka: in that case you have to modify some setting via "about:config" in firefox
[12:58] <Alinka-malinka> Hmmm let me check
[13:00] <Alinka-malinka> yes i found it and i did a little modification, but still i am not happy with it, i dont know, its a feeling like i am scrolling it more rather then it moves in screen
[13:02] <Alinka-malinka> for example the touchpad works smoother when i scroll with 2 fingures
[13:03] <brainwash> maybe it depends on what setting(s) you have changed
[13:03] <Alinka-malinka> fingers
[13:04] <Alinka-malinka> i put 1 and 1000
[13:04] <Alinka-malinka> i guess i need to find the sweet spot
[13:05] <brainwash> there are several scroll related settings
[13:05] <brainwash> if you search for "scroll" or "mousewheel"
[13:05] <pawel_> is there a way to switch to the stable channel of xfce on 18.10?
[13:06] <brainwash> what is the stable channel?
[13:06] <pawel_> 1.12 i belive
[13:06] <brainwash> you mean 4.12
[13:06] <pawel_> yeah
[13:06] <brainwash> I don't think you can
[13:07] <brainwash> and why you want to do that in the first place?
[13:07] <pawel_> 4.13 is really buggy
[13:07] <brainwash> which component?
[13:07] <brainwash> the panel? or the file manager?
[13:08] <brainwash> it's possible that workarounds exist
[13:08] <pawel_> sometimes plank displays the panel in active apps and also the wisker menu doesnt show the wine menu proper
[13:09] <brainwash> isn't that unrelated to xfce 4.13?
[13:09] <brainwash> whisker menu is an external panel plugin
[13:09] <brainwash> and plank is not part of xfce
[13:09] <pawel_> the plank problem is only recreatable on 4.13
[13:10] <brainwash> that's quite odd then
[13:10] <brainwash> 18.10 still uses the 4.12 xfce window manager
[13:11] <pawel_> xfce-panel is 4.13.3
[13:11] <brainwash> plank = xfce4-panel?
[13:12] <pawel_> no
[13:12] <Alinka-malinka> also i could not make the wobbly-windows working
[13:12] <Alinka-malinka> i enable the plugin
[13:12] <Alinka-malinka> but it dont want to work :-/
[13:12] <pawel_> as we speak its happening xd
[13:12] <Alinka-malinka> like this compiz manager is broken or not reacting or something
[13:13] <brainwash> Alinka-malinka: not much we can do about that
[13:13] <brainwash> pawel_: I guess I don't understand the problem
[13:14] <brainwash> pawel_: you mention both plank (dock app) and the xfce panel
[13:14] <pawel_> here is a screenshot https://i.imgur.com/JW6wmf1.png
[13:15] <brainwash> that is only plank
[13:15] <brainwash> are you sure that your issue is caused by the xfce panel?
[13:16] <brainwash> is the plank version still the exact same?
[13:16] <Alinka-malinka> oh thats a a problem, because when i run the ccms --release command it start working, but the windows get frozen, is there any other wobbly-windows feature for xubuntu?
[13:17] <brainwash> Alinka-malinka: there is none
[13:17] <brainwash> maybe the KDE window manager can that
[13:17] <brainwash> kwin
[13:17] <Alinka-malinka> nah it will start lagging my laptop
[13:17] <Alinka-malinka> i need it here :-/
[13:17] <Alinka-malinka> anyways thanks
[13:18] <pawel_> i use compton for window
[13:18] <brainwash> compton is a compositor
[13:18] <pawel_> oh
[13:19] <pawel_> im sorry im a bit of a noob
[13:19] <brainwash> so, if you want a more stable and better tested xfce environment, you should be using xubuntu 18.04 LTS
[13:20] <brainwash> the goal with 18.10 and 19.04 is to move Xfce to the 4.14 release
[13:20] <brainwash> hence, it may be buggy
[13:21] <pawel_> yeah
[13:23] <Spass> pawel_, that xfce4-panel icon shows on Plank when you open panel preferences, annoying little issue, it occurs on 18.04 too, so 18.10 has nothing to do with it
[13:23] <pawel_> oh
[13:23] <Spass> you just need to restart Plank after configuring your panel
[13:24] <pawel_> thats the only fix i found for that really
[13:25] <Spass> me too, probably it's a good idea to submit a buf report, but I'm not sure if it's a Plank or xfce4-panel issue specifically
[13:26] <pawel_> i think that its with how plank detects running applications
[13:27] <Spass> what comes to my mind worth testing (maybe) is changing "StartupWMClass=" in the desktop launcher of the Panel preferences
[13:27] <Spass> give me a sec
[13:30] <pawel_> test
[13:30] <pawel_> oh ./nick doesnt work
[13:35] <Spass> ok I think that I found a workaround, I've added "StartupWMClass=xfce4-panel" to /usr/share/applications/panel-preferences.desktop (Panel)
[13:35] <Spass> and now when I close panel preferences icon disappears as it should
[13:35] <Spass> you can try that
[13:42] <Spass> hmm, but I'm not sure about it now, even when I revert that change it is still ok, so maybe I need test it after re-log, anyway, it's an old issue and restarting Plank is the only thing I know hat works 100%
[13:46] <pawel_> from what i can tell it's fixed
[18:48] <Towel> Hey, I'm doing an install of xubuntu 18.04 from the live cd. Can anyone tell me what the default creds are? I tried "ubuntu" and "xubuntu" with no password but without any success.
[18:50] <Spass> hello Towel, user "xubuntu" without password should work
[18:51] <Towel> Thanks Spass but it still says "incorrect password." I verified the image sha256sum too
[18:51] <Spass> Towel, where exactly you need to enter those credentials?
[18:52] <Towel> There's a login prompt to get to the desktop. It has the only option "Other" selected and a box for username and one for password
[18:53] <Towel> I'm a terminal now and it says "xubutnu login:". I tried "xubuntu" with no password without success
[18:53] <Spass> so you logged out from the live session, right? if you want to install you can just boot the ISO again
[18:54] <Towel> I just clicked "Install xubuntu" from the boot options and that's the screen it came to
[18:54] <Spass> so something went wrong
[18:54] <Towel> ahh okay
[18:54] <Spass> try again, or click Try Xubuntu and install from the launcher on the desktop
[18:55] <Towel> Good idea, I'll give that a shot. Thanks!
[18:56] <Spass> cool, let us know how it went
[18:56] <Towel> will do :) Doing a quick integrity check first just to make sure everything flashed okay
[19:21] <solidfox> hello, I just switched to xubuntu and it seems I can't find my icon to change the volume (unless I use pulseaudio volume control from the menu) and I also have no way to switch from BuiltIn analog stereo output to HDMI
[19:23] <solidfox> ok. so I lost the icon because I switched the panel layout to "GNOME 2". and sound is in the indicator applet
[19:23] <solidfox> anyways. what I really need is to play audio from hdmi
[19:25] <Spass> hello solidfox, new sound icon isn't an indicator anymore, xubuntu now (from 18.04) uses xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
[19:26] <solidfox> Spass: i found it. my PulseAudio volume control window was hiding a tab, because I increased my resolution and DPI
[19:26] <Spass> you should be able to change output in "pavucontrol" settings (PulseAudio Volume Control)
[19:26] <Spass> ok cool
[19:28] <Towel> Spass, I reflashed the image to a USB instead of a microsd card and it worked like a charm. All good now :) Thanks for your help
[19:29] <Spass> Towel, good to know :)
[21:29] <xubuntu03i> what i am kill you
[23:46] <xubuntu27i> helloo!!
[23:47] <xubuntu27i> Can i install the system and the grub in the same partition?


[02:00] <lexandrop> Hi. So, anyone running desktop 22.04 - how "deep" is snap integration? Reading some random articles at reddit, I have an impression that it became worse compared to 20.04, which I'm running now. I.e. attempt to install firefox via apt automatically installs it via snap, even installing snapd if it was missing, etc.
[02:03] <tomreyn> it think both of these are facts: when you attempt to install firefox via apt this will automatically install the firefox snap, even installing snapd if it was missing
[02:05] <lexandrop> I think, my question can be mostly transformed to this: users, who purged snapd from their 22.04 system - do you face any related issues?
[02:07] <tomreyn> the related issue would be that snaps are not readily available. thats, if you consider this an issue.
[02:09] <enigma9o7[m]> No issues lexandrop.
[02:11] <lexandrop> tomreyn: since I plan to avoid snapd at all costs, snaps being unavailable is not an issue, but a desired result for me :) An issue would be some other part of the system being broken, because since 22.04 it started to rely on snapd (or some specific snap) availability
[02:11] <lexandrop> enigma9o7[m]: thanks
[02:12] <Chloe343> lexanddrop: snap isn't that hard to remove or integral to Ubuntu
[02:12] <Chloe343> I personally have it removed and used the Firefox PPA to get an apt version of Firefox ESR
[02:13] <Chloe343> you do get the snap version of Firefox installed on your system if you install it from the Ubuntu repository tho
[02:13] <lexandrop> Chloe343: "snap isn't that hard to remove ..." - I know this is true for 20.04, but wasn't sure if that's still true for 22.04 :) that's why I've came here. thanks
[02:14] <Chloe343> haha no problem!
[02:14] <Chloe343> I think I had that uhh
[02:14] <Chloe343> desnapify thing?
[02:14] <Chloe343> https://www.debugpoint.com/remove-snap-ubuntu/
[02:15] <lexandrop> I've heard something about it... But have never used yet. IIRC, pure apt was enough in my case.
[02:15] <Chloe343> yeah same
[02:15] <Chloe343> and also a little bit of Flatpaks
[02:18] <lexandrop> thanks for the link, though, bookmarked it just in case
[02:18] <Chloe343> haha you're welcome
[07:35] <alkisg> Hrm, after upgrading to 22.04, I need to `rmmod igb; modprobe igb` for the Intel I350 adapters to work; it seems like a kernel issue; does anyone know of a bug report for it? (I'm still searching...)
[09:21] <Andrew> Looks like everything is packaged as a snap these days in the new Iso
[09:33] <cbreak> Andrew: luckily not everything
[09:33] <cbreak> but the things that are are annoying enough :(
[09:41] <tornov> hola
[10:01] <webchat42> Dear Ubuntu Developers and Contributers,
[10:01] <webchat42> Please see my comment about a major SECURITY ISSUE:
[10:01] <webchat42> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-22-04-1-delayed-until-august-11/29859/3?u=niix
[10:01] <webchat42> That is really easy to fix.
[10:01] <webchat42> I don't know why Ubuntu doesn't change that.
[10:10] <tornov> soy un albaricoque
[10:24] <webchat42> Dear Ubuntu Developers and Contributers,
[10:24] <webchat42> Please see my comment about a major SECURITY ISSUE:
[10:24] <webchat42> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-22-04-1-delayed-until-august-11/29859/3?u=niix
[10:24] <webchat42> That is really easy to fix.
[10:24] <webchat42> I don't know why Ubuntu hasn't fixed that.
[11:01] <murmel> webchat42: wrong way of pointing this out. and additionally, what do you expect when you plug in a usb stick which has binaries on them? I never saw ubuntu executing something
[11:03] <murmel> and if you really think this is something talking about, create a launchpad account and file it against gnome-control-center
[12:25] <zeroes> a quick question about mirroring with ftpsync: someone know how to tell ftpsync to mirror non-free and contrib in ftpsync.config file?
[12:26] <zeroes> *about mirroring a package repository
[12:27] <ogra> probably a question for #debian ?
[12:27] <zeroes> ok
[12:27] <ogra> (ubuntu dos not hav contrib or non-free)
[12:27] <ogra> *does not have
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:26] <nmatrix9> Hi everyone, accidentally removed my default python 3.6 install out of Ubuntu 18.04 broke almost everything, including networking.  I'm using a rescue dvd in "try but do not install" mode.  Was able to chroot my lvm / partition.
[15:30] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: ubuntu 18.04 used python 2.7.18 by default, so python3 should not be essential there, i think. unless you changed where "python" points to (3.6 rather than 2.7, but that would already break a lot, i assume). it should also have warned you about removing essential packages, had you done so.
[15:30] <nmatrix9> Trying to do a full re-install of all networking components with apt get but getting "Error connecting: Could not connect: Connection refused" while in the chrooted parition
[15:31] <tomreyn> 'connection refused' would suggest outbound firewalling or a mandatory proxy, which is not configured.
[15:31] <arraybolt3[m]> You may also need to deal with resolv.conf within the chroot.
[15:32] <tomreyn> or just talking to the wrong host (maybe as a result of bad name resolution - but this seems less liekly)
[15:32] <Jeremy31> Try a>  ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:32] <nmatrix9> I have internet access when I'm "outside" the chrooted partition "/dev/lubuntu-vg/root  mounted to /mnt"
[15:32] <nmatrix9> Full internet acces
[15:32] <arraybolt3[m]> nmatrix9: While in chroot, "mv /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.bak", then exit chroot and do "cp /etc/resolv.conf /path/to/chroot/etc/resolv.conf", replacing the path as appropriate.
[15:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Re-enter chroot, you should have Internet access.
[15:33] <nmatrix9> root@ubuntu:/home/nash/Downloads/ubuntu_packages/gnome# ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:33] <nmatrix9> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[15:33] <nmatrix9> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=118 time=13.2 ms
[15:33] <nmatrix9> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=2 ttl=118 time=15.5 ms
[15:33] <nmatrix9> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=3 ttl=118 time=13.3 ms
[15:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Then when you're done, just before exiting the chroot, do "rm /etc/resolv.conf && mv /etc/resolv.conf.bak /etc/resolv.conf"
[15:34] <nmatrix9> arraybolt3[m], cool I'll try that.
[15:34] <arraybolt3[m]> (This all assumes you don't have /etc/resolv.conf.bak already present in your installed system.)
[15:35] <Jeremy31> Is /etc mounted in the chroot
[15:36] <tomreyn> if only we had a good chroot repair manual listing all the steps in common scenarios...
[15:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Jeremy31: /etc should be a folder in the installed system with configuration data specific to that system, so bind-mounting over chroot might be a bad idea (if that's what you're saying).
[15:37] <arraybolt3[m]> s/over chroot/over it in the chroot/
[15:38] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure lists all steps other than mounting the efi system partition (if you have one).
[15:39] <nmatrix9> tomreyn turned off firewall and I'm not sure how to set up a mandatory proxy
[15:40] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: that's good, then you probably don't have one
[15:41] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: does    sudo apt update    from within the chroot work now?
[15:43] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, I'm mounting a lvm partition /dev/lubuntu-vg/root, the first step, the /dev/sda1 wouldn't apply or would I still have to mount some sort of device even for a lvm?
[15:44] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: you'd need to mount the root file system, which is probably on your lvm LV then
[15:44] <tomreyn> oh right you just said so
[15:44] <tomreyn> so just replace "/dev/sda1" by "/dev/lubuntu-vg/root"
[15:46] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: if you have other LV's for important system paths such as /var or /usr/ or /etc you should mount those into / below the mounted root file system, too
[15:46] <nmatrix9> Still getting : "Hit:22 https://packagecloud.io/datawireio/telepresence/ubuntu bionic InRelease
[15:46] <nmatrix9> Hit:23 http://ppa.launchpad.net/remmina-ppa-team/remmina-next/ubuntu bionic InRelease
[15:46] <nmatrix9> Hit:24 http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/atom/ubuntu bionic InRelease
[15:46] <nmatrix9> Fetched 64.4 kB in 3s (19.6 kB/s)
[15:46] <nmatrix9> Error connecting: Could not connect: Connection refused"
[15:46] <nmatrix9> after doing apt update
[15:47] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: you just got muted here for pasting too many lines.
[15:47] <tomreyn> !paste | nmatrix9
[15:47] <tomreyn> you can also pipe output into    | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[15:48] <tomreyn> this will post it to termbin.com
[15:48] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: and the mute is now undone.
[15:49] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, ok thanks, will keep my texts one line.
[15:50] <tomreyn> sudo apt-get update &> /tmp/apt && cat /tmp/apt | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[15:50] <nmatrix9> Yeah, it's just weird to me I can access the internet from the chrooted parition but apt is just failing to do update or install or anything
[15:51] <tomreyn> if you run the command above, this would post the full "apt-get update" output on termbin.com (where it remains stored for a month, i think) and return a link to this post, which you can share here
[15:52] <tomreyn> this assumes you'r eusing a bash-like shell
[15:52] <tomreyn> otherwise:   sudo apt-get update >/tmp/apt 2>&1 && cat /tmp/apt | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[16:00] <nmatrix9> tomreyn https://termbin.com/oegvt
[16:03] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: basic apt seems to be working fine, it must be some extension to it that's failing. maybe packagekit.
[16:03] <tomreyn> do you remember modifying or adding files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ ?
[16:19] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: if you run apt-get with    -o 'Debug::RunScripts 1'     this may hint on which apt hook is failing there
[16:20] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, modifying /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ not directly but I have added updated to/etc/apt/sources.list
[16:23] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: i don't think changes to /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/} would cause this very error.
[16:23] <tomreyn> feel free to re-run the above apt-get command with the debug topion and post its output on termbin.com again
[16:24] <tomreyn> topion -> option
[16:24] <nmatrix9> @tomreyn:  apt-get  -o Debug::RunScripts 1 ?
[16:24] <tomreyn> sudo apt-get update -o 'Debug::RunScripts 1' >/tmp/apt 2>&1 && cat /tmp/apt | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[16:25] <Exterminador> hello guys. so, I'm trying to figure out why I get `0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.`: https://0bin.xyz/view/f2d96ff0#L33
[16:26] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: sorry, it's this:    sudo apt-get update -o 'Debug::RunScripts=1' >/tmp/apt 2>&1 && cat /tmp/apt | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[16:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Exterminador: Phased updates maybe?
[16:28] <tomreyn> Exterminador: when you run     apt show python3-distupgrade ubuntu-release-upgrader-core ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk     you'll see the seeding percentage given in parentheses
[16:29] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[16:30] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Phasing
[16:31] <Exterminador> oh. so: Phased-Update-Percentage: 0
[16:31] <nmatrix9> tomreyn https://termbin.com/ws8j
[16:35] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: i guessed right, it's packagekit related. to solve this, you'd need to find out where these scripts running before the error message try to connect to and how to enable them to do so, or how to stop them from trying to do so.
[16:35] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: this error does not actually seem to stop apt from working, though
[16:35] <tomreyn> so maybe, for now, it's best to just ignore this part
[16:36] <tomreyn> that's unless there are follow-up errors somewhere? are you able to run   sudo apt full-upgrade    ?
[16:42] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: so  other than this message from 'apt update' / 'apt-get update', is there any indication that there is a networking issue? what does not seem to work exactly?
[17:05] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, let me backtrack a bit, to provide more context this is all occurring with a Ubuntu KVM 18.04.  After accidentally removing the default python install, the KVM is unable to connect to the internet via VIrtual network 'network-wlp3s0' on regular startup: Route to wlp3s0 (my host network).
[17:06] <nmatrix9> Not sure how to just get it back to the way it was before or even just get back basic network functionality.
[17:09] <nmatrix9> tomreyn in rescue mode I'm simply trying to re-install all the network components so I have basic network / internet connectivity again.  when I do apt install <package> nothing seems to be installed.  I was thinking the :  Error connecting: Could not connect: Connection refused may have something to do with it.
[17:13] <stolen> how to seed ubuntu distros ?
[17:14] <enigma9o7[m]> In what context do you mean/
[17:15] <enigma9o7[m]> When I read that question, the first thing that pops into my is sharing a torrent, but you must mean somethiing else?
[17:20] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: wlp3s0 is a wireless network interface - in kvm?!
[17:21] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: oh that's on your host, ok. so i assume the guest sees this as an ethernet NIC then.
[17:21] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, yes
[17:22] <tomreyn> "when I do apt install <package> nothing seems to be installed" -> that's probably because it is already installed.
[17:23] <tomreyn> just reinstalling the software won't help unless you manually modified its files in directories you normally wouldn't (such as /usr), i guess
[17:23] <tomreyn> also, i don't see how that's related to you removing python 3.6, yet, because i think bionic uses a 2.x version system wide.
[17:24] <tomreyn> sitll, be very careful about making changes to the *system* wide installation of python on ubuntu, in general.
[17:24] <tomreyn> *still
[17:25] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, not sure either but I do know that when I did a uninstall of python 3.6. and did a reboot, lots of applications were broken for sure, including network connectivity.
[17:26] <tomreyn> "python" is 2.7.15 on bionic: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/python
[17:27] <tomreyn> there is python 3.6, too https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?exact=1&suite=bionic-updates&keywords=python3
[17:27] <tomreyn> it's possible that bionic depend on both
[17:28] <tomreyn> you could just install python3 and see what happens
[17:29] <tomreyn> or review what you removed when you did (and reinstall that as needed) - logs are in /var/log/apt/history.log
[17:29] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: i'll be afk again for a while.
[17:33] <stolen> essentials for ubuntu should be on python 2, so python3 uninstall should not break a lot of stuff. Just install pyhton again
[17:41] <cbreak> python2 has been eol and deprecated for many years
[17:42] <cbreak> "We did not want to hurt the people using Python 2. So, in 2008, we announced that we would sunset Python 2 in 2015, and asked people to upgrade before then." -- official python web page
[17:43] <cbreak> I don't think canonical would be dumb enough to rely on python2 in an ubuntu LTS release made after 2008
[17:44] <arraybolt3[m]> cbreak: Canonical backports security and bug fixes from newer releases into older ones.
[17:45] <enigma9o7[m]> that sounds tricky
[17:45] <arraybolt3[m]> cbreak: So even though python2 is EOL, Canonical keeps backporting fixes into it. They do this for everything in the main repository so that software versions can stay stable but still fix security problems and bugs.
[17:47] <arraybolt3[m]> (OK, maybe not everything - up until Firefox turned into a Snap, Firefox was just kept updated to the newest version all the time. But you get what I'm saying - it stays updated whether upstream EOLs it or not.)
[17:50] <cbreak> seems like a waste of time
[17:50] <cbreak> switching to python3 would be much less work
[17:51] <cbreak> especially since it was forseeable in 2008 that support would end in 2015, so starting to use it in something intended for long term support was known to be a committment
[17:51] <arraybolt3[m]> cbreak: We might should continue this in #ubuntu-discuss so we don't clutter up the support forum.
[17:52] <nmatrix9> tomreyn and stolen, I've re-installed everything I can think of, python 3, python, gnome desktop, lubuntu desktop, network-manager tools. Nothing currently is working, my KVM is still unable to access the internet.
[17:56] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: and the erro message is?
[17:56] <tomreyn> how do you test?
[17:58] <tomreyn> i was wrong about 18.04 ('bionic') and python. package "python3" is priority "important" whereas "python" and "python2.7" are priority "optional": apt-cache show python python2.7 python3 | grep -E '^((Package|Version|Priority):|$)'
[17:58] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, open up a web browser, ping google.com
[17:58] <tomreyn> so you seem to have issues with the resolver, since you showed previously that you could    ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS>    fine
[17:59] <tomreyn> those are not error messages, though
[17:59]  * tomreyn bbl
[17:59] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, that was when I was using Ubuntu install DVD in "Try but do not install Ubuntu"
[18:00] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, I was using the live cd, that's when I can access the internet.
[18:01] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, when I try to boot up my kvm Ubuntu 18.04 normally and login the desktop, no internet access.
[18:02] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, when I login via LXDE, it shows that my Ethernet connection is broken
[18:37] <webchat56> Is there anyone that might be able to help me with an external drive that will power on and be visible in Disks, but will not mount or provide no options to format?
[18:53] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: so check which packages you had removed when you erroneously removed python3, and reinstall those that are needed ("priority" >= "important", see explanation above).
[18:56] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: you will need to make those packages available to the guest system by other means, obviously. the network instrumention used on desktops is Network Manager, it provides the "nmcli" and "nmtui" utilities for configuration. other than that there is the "ip" command and systemd-resolved for name resolution.
[18:56] <tomreyn> and sometimes a fresh installation can also be useful.
[19:31] <VIA> i need some serious help with a GPU in ubuntu
[19:33] <VIA> all of a sudden most shit aint workin
[19:33] <VIA> wierd applets i never seen before pop up, and windows with option they usually had r blank or stripped
[19:34] <arraybolt3[m]> VIA: Did you just finish updating your system?
[19:34] <VIA> might have not sure
[19:34] <VIA> *likely
[19:35] <arraybolt3[m]> VIA: What GPU are you using?
[19:35] <arraybolt3[m]> NVIDIA? AMD? Intel?
[19:36] <VIA> so what can i do
[19:36] <VIA> is there a way to purge ALL and then via onlnline or disc reinstall ?
[19:36] <VIA> AMD-GPU proprietary
[19:36] <VIA> but that shouldnt matter
[19:36] <arraybolt3[m]> VIA: Open the application menu and search for "Software and Updates"
[19:37] <arraybolt3[m]> VIA: Then click the "Additional Drivers" tab and make sure that the driver you want it set.
[19:37] <arraybolt3[m]> VIA: If it's not, set the driver to the desired driver. Once you've made sure the right driver is selected, reboot.
[19:37] <VIA> no add drivers available.
[19:38] <murmel> VIA: is there a reason why you want the blob driver?
[19:38] <arraybolt3[m]> VIA: Hmm. Where did you get the AMD proprietary drivers from? (This might sound silly but I don't actually know where you'd find those to install them, are they just in the main Ubuntu repository?)
[19:38] <VIA> if wahat is not?
[19:38] <VIA> how do i know what the apppropriate driver is
[19:38] <VIA> im not a developer
[19:39] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: Probably to get the now greyed-out options they were using to start working again. My NVIDIA card absolutely must use the proprietary drivers so I can use NVENC.
[19:39] <Jeremy31> VIA: check in terminal>  mokutil --sb
[19:39] <arraybolt3[m]> VIA: The proprietary one should make sure things work generally, though with AMD the open-source driver can help. I'll look at the drivers available.
[19:39] <VIA> murmel: is there a reason why you mom cant stop fondling my one single tessticle?
[19:40] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: sure, but there are almost no reasons for the amd blob
[19:40] <arraybolt3[m]> !language
[19:40] <VIA> you get them from AMD
[19:40] <murmel> VIA: wow, so rather than wanting help you just insult people! nice! do it more often
[19:41] <arraybolt3[m]> !coc | murmel
[19:41] <murmel> I asked _why_ you want them. as the foss drivers are enough for most people
[19:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Guys, calm down. We're just trying to get a GPU working for crying out loud.
[19:41] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: may I ask why you point that to me? oO
[19:41] <VIA> but after a while a switxhed to an opensource which did better.
[19:41] <VIA>  /ignore murmel
[19:42] <VIA> sec brbr
[19:42] <VIA> arraybolt3[m]: o the AMD's got the own repo
[19:43] <VIA> arraybolt3[m]: ÂGAIN im lost idk where to begin with, again
[19:43] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: From the COC: "We don’t allow frustration to turn into a personal attack. A community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not a productive one."
[19:44] <murmel> oO I was attacked, and that's why you point me out. great
[19:44] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: I'll continue in PMs so as to not clutter up the channel.
[19:44] <murmel> and I only told VIA that if he wants to get help, he shouldn't insult people
[19:44] <murmel> k
[19:44] <VIA> this driveer that driver oh no that ... ITS ALL FINE as long as it work
[19:45] <VIA> id  be very fine with the proprietary /opensource.
[19:45] <VIA> How do i tell me machine to get it ?
[19:46] <arraybolt3[m]> VIA: Try "apt-cache search fglrx"
[19:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Agh, that's the wrong command...
[19:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Hold on, I'm juggling here, sorry.
[19:48] <arraybolt3[m]> VIA: I'd probably start by just rebooting and see if that makes everything work. The AMD graphics drivers should be built into the system.  I don't have AMD graphics :(
[19:52] <VIA> ita not aking it esier im running legay on an UEFI system
[19:52] <Jeremy31> VIA: in terminal check> dpkg -l amdgpu-pro
[19:53] <VIA> uefi succesfuly killed. :D
[19:53] <VIA> my board barely even supports legacy anymore lol
[19:54] <VIA> u dont need to have AMD to be helpful i like ur input
[19:54] <VIA> this is about GPU's
[19:54] <VIA> jhutchins: please come again? did u witness something disturbing ?
[19:55] <arraybolt3[m]> VIA: Yeah but I'm out of ideas :D (Each GPU is different - Intel GPUs use one solution, NVIDIA GPUs use a different solution, and apparently AMD GPUs use a third solution... I have experience with Intel and NVIDIA, but AMD is a mystery to me.)
[19:55] <dimebag> What's happening people?
[19:56] <VIA> :S
[19:56] <arraybolt3[m]> VIA: Use of language that isn't considered "family friendly" is generally prohibited on this channel. A slip-up or two is usually overlooked, but this is starting to get... well, disturbing.
[19:56] <VIA>  /unignore murmel
[19:56] <arraybolt3[m]> dimebag: AMD GPU woes - VIA's GPU broke out of nowhere and we're trying to figure out what's happening.
[19:57] <VIA> i have an urgent feeling we both took our senttences as jokes, beginning from me
[19:57] <jhutchins> I don't see a clear statement of a problem that could be addressed.  "It doesn't work" isn't really something we can help with.
[19:58] <jhutchins> VIA: Can you say directly what you want to try to do?
[19:58] <dimebag> can anyone recommend a windows "non-admin", non prior installed, portable on the fly encryption usb drive method? Loading drivers seems to be the hang up everytime
[19:58] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: It was functioning, an update probably happened, and now suddenly features of applications are no longer functioning, suggesting that the GPU has lost capabilities as a result of the update.
[19:58] <jhutchins> dimebag: That would be a question for ##windows, wouldn't it?
[19:59] <arraybolt3[m]> dimebag: You might ask in #windows about that, us Linux/Ubuntu people don't know all that much about that sort of thing.
[19:59] <dimebag> yeah, but Linux operators are far more intelligent.
[19:59] <jhutchins> arraybolt3[m]: Could we address them one feature at a time?
[19:59] <jhutchins> dimebag: So you're going to take your Kia to the BMW dealer because they have better mechanics?
[19:59] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: Well that's as much as I know, I was just summarizing what info I knew from before and was trying to condense it in case it would be helpful. If not, then...
[19:59] <dimebag> LOL
[20:00] <dimebag> touche
[20:00] <dimebag> ok, thanks anyway
[20:00] <VIA> please give me examples of mine, that are not "family friendly" since its getting "DISTURBING", arraybolt3[m]
[20:01] <jhutchins> dimebag: Borrowed from #debian: here is a nice guide on how to use LVM encrypted partitions
[20:01] <jhutchins>              at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 .  See also <dm-crypt>, <ecryptfs>, <encfs>, <gpg>, <luks>.
[20:02] <jhutchins> The <> taged keywords can be accessed in #debian by /msg dpkg <factoid>
[20:02] <VIA> a clean reset. purge all GPU start anew ... a new ur the one who can do it arraybolt3[m]
[20:02] <arraybolt3[m]> VIA: Try booting into an older kernel maybe?
[20:03] <VIA> s/a new/ I know
[20:03] <VIA> idk how i would do that
[20:03] <arraybolt3[m]> VIA: Press and hold Shift during early boot, go to Advanced Options for Ubuntu, then select an older kernel (not a recovery-mode option).
[20:03] <VIA> im new to linux
[20:04] <VIA> aagahahahhhaha yeee e think i know whatu might mean
[20:04] <VIA> brb <3
[20:05] <transhumanist> so I am wondering how affective is reserving memory for the kernel. and can you also reserve memory for normal desktop function so this stuff is never swapped?
[20:06] <jhutchins> transhumanist: Why?
[20:06] <jhutchins> transhumanist: Are you having swapping problems?  How much RAM do you have?
[20:07] <transhumanist> because I am doing the unthinkable , (way overloading because my system doesnt have enough for my workload (till I can get something new) I could put asside 4G for the desktop and kernel
[20:07] <jhutchins> transhumanist: What happens if you just let it swap?
[20:08] <transhumanist> it gets to the point to where it freezes the desktop
[20:09] <transhumanist> there is kernel boot parameters for etc/fstab mem or some such thing
[20:09] <arraybolt3[m]> transhumanist: Do you just need to increase your swapfile size?
[20:09] <transhumanist> not any more its about 3 times my memory and its compressed
[20:09] <jhutchins> How much physical ram do you have, and how much swap?
[20:09] <transhumanist> running btrfs and zfs (for swap)
[20:10] <transhumanist> if I can put asside for desktop and kernel, then  my config will work nicely
[20:11] <jhutchins> Last I checked swap space didn't have a regular file system.
[20:11] <transhumanist> it can either be a file or on a seperate partition , in my case its a zpool
[20:12] <transhumanist> so there is no parameters for putting asside non swap memory for desktop function I take it like there is for the kernel?
[20:12] <jhutchins> Unless you have really, really bad code it shouldn't steal protected RAM from system functions.  The underlying memory systems date back to systems that ran heavily swapped all the time.
[20:13] <transhumanist> hmm, maybe its just a limit of the stress test I am using then, didnt think of that
[20:13] <jhutchins> transhumanist: You say "desktop function".  One of the first things I would do on a memory-restricted system would be get rid of the GUI.
[20:14] <transhumanist> ya I did that on my other identical system
[20:14] <transhumanist> well answer is probably no, but figured I would ask
[20:14] <transhumanist> thanks
[20:18] <jhutchins> transhumanist: There are plenty of articles on the web regarding Linux memory management, but be prepared to dive pretty deeply into core theory.
[20:19] <VIA> re
[20:19] <transhumanist> thanks
[20:19] <VIA> no luck, or i didnt pay attention and proceeded to dothe worng thing
[20:20] <VIA> when the ubuntu boot procedure starts, im presented with half a dozen options or so
[20:21] <jhutchins> VIA: You were going to try reverting to an earlier kernel.
[20:21] <jhutchins> VIA: How difficult would it be to just wipe the system and do a clean install?
[20:21] <VIA> one (recovery kís in its name first tho) leads me to a menu, where i can select kernels, and each 2 of them. 1 safe 1 just as
[20:22] <VIA> i have never done it, so i cant asse how difficult it is
[20:22] <jhutchins> :03 < arraybolt3[m]> VIA: Press and hold Shift during early boot, go to Advanced Options for Ubuntu, then select an older kernel
[20:22] <jhutchins>                        (not a recovery-mode option).
[20:23] <jhutchins> VIA: You did the original install, you know what you did after that.
[20:23] <VIA> my booting process is slightly diffferent from anyoneelses since i killed UEFI ... but let me give thaat a try
[20:23] <jhutchins> VIA: Lots of us don't use EFI.
[20:24] <VIA> to be honest: the end result (option) you dscribed seemed exactly like what  was ending up with
[20:25] <VIA> no i cant go through all that. this i my first workin linux distro/INSTALL so this isnt exactlxa  go
[20:27] <jhutchins> WEll, if it's "not working" ...
[20:34] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, KVM can be a bit "obtuse" when it comes to networking, fresh installation will wipe out my home directory which has months of new data on it.
[20:35] <oerheks> if you have no backup of your important data, it is not important.
[20:47] <jhutchins> What do you have to loose?
[20:49] <jhutchins> nmatrix9: Storage is cheap.  How much data do you have to back up?
[20:50] <oerheks> jhutchins, nmatrix9:  Ubuntu KVM 18.04.  After accidentally removing the default python install, ...
[20:50] <oerheks> accidently..
[20:50]  * rob0 hates it when that happens
[20:50] <oerheks> really, such action removes the complete desktop :-D
[20:51] <jhutchins> python removes the desktop?
[20:51] <oerheks> try it?
[20:51] <oerheks> sudo apt remove python3
[20:51] <jhutchins> Re-install python.
[20:51] <jhutchins> apt install python3
[20:51] <jhutchins> Probably not quite idempotent, but should be workable.
[20:52] <oerheks> good luck, it does not work that way
[20:52] <jhutchins> Still, who needs a GUI to back up data?
[20:52] <jhutchins> Wouldn't apt remove python3 take a LOT of dependencies with it?
[20:53] <oerheks> yes, complete desktop
[20:53] <oerheks> lolz
[20:53] <jhutchins> Likem maybe give you a clue?
[20:53] <oerheks> so, the story is not true.
[20:53] <Jeremy31> Likely have to reinstall the DE
[20:53] <jhutchins> Who needs a desktop anyway! 80 charact3ers forever!
[20:53] <oerheks> but install needs python, endless loop of discussion.
[20:54] <oerheks> silly unregistered users, it is a plague
[20:55] <jhutchins> When I see "KVM", it always registers as "Keyboard, Video, Mouse (switch)".
[20:58] <manet> ¿Aire?
[20:58] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: do a fresh install into a new vm, attach the other storage to it, mount it at /mnt/, backup, and you're done.
[20:58] <tomreyn> hi manet
[21:23] <VIA> yo
[21:24] <VIA> jhutchins: no i really dont. ima script kid with a portion of luck thats unearthly :}}}
[21:25] <VIA> im thinking now, backup important folders  / documents /scripts/ aynything i think matter... then just do the install and replace the falces back where hey belong
[21:26] <VIA> thats hwta i always did in MS eheeheeh
[21:26] <VIA> but got a lawyers appointment soon i cant fiddle that diddle and risk not being able to write at all
[21:27] <VIA> thx averyon e whos been so kind and helpful. ill sure be back (like F as if there was a way around :P)
[21:28] <VIA> i want a blunt
[21:28] <VIA> sry wrong window
[21:28] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, I guess it's time to upgrade the KVM to 20.04 anyways. Will backup the home directory and install 20.04 and go from there.
[21:29] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: if this was lubuntu, it was EOL anyways. and not ethat 22.04 LTS is out since april, so you may want to choose that instead.
[21:30] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, Ubuntu 18.04 was using Lubuntu desktop.
[21:30] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: https://lubuntu.me/bionic-eol/
[21:32] <arraybolt3[m]> nmatrix9: I though it used GNOME?
[21:32] <arraybolt3[m]> thought*
[21:33] <tomreyn> nmatrix9: And, if this was a generic statement then no, Ubuntu 18.04 was using gnome-shell + mutter as a desktop.
[21:35] <nmatrix9> tomreyn, I thought the EOL was 2023 including security updates?
[21:35] <tomreyn> yes for ubuntu, no for lubuntu
[21:35] <arraybolt3[m]> nmatrix9: For Ubuntu, it is. For Lubuntu, EOL hit in 2021.
[21:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Ubuntu server and desktop get 5 years of support, flavors get 3.
[21:37] <tomreyn> + 5 years commercial support for the most relevant parts of Ubuntu
[21:59] <Hash> I moved ~/.mozilla to new ubuntu install and install firefox in 22 and start, my profile isn't there.
[22:01] <Hash> Sigh
[22:01] <TastyWiener95> Run "firefox -P" in terminal and add your profile file path to the Profile Manager
[22:02] <Hash> It wants me to create a new profile
[22:02] <Hash> Says something about old version and corruption or something
[22:02] <Hash> If I boot into my old install of 22, it's fine.
[22:02] <Hash> I copied over ~/snap too
[22:02] <Hash> After copying over ~/snap to new install home, now it says about old verson of profile
[22:04] <TastyWiener95> Oh idk then, I've never used the snap version
[22:04] <Hash> I have no idea why it's int here
[22:04] <Hash> I did apt remove firefox, it removed it, and snap firefox is still installed
[22:05] <Hash> it says, using an older verfion of firefox can corrupt me
[22:05] <Hash> So the snap version is old.
[22:05] <Hash> How do I remove it?
[22:06] <Hash> I don't understand how firefox is old.. still 22 ubuntu. just reinstall to new partition and move my home over
[22:06] <Bashing-om> !info firefox jammy
[22:06] <TastyWiener95> snap has it's own commands to remove snap packages. I forget what the command is but if you run "man snap" in terminal youll find it
[22:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Hash: You might want to run "sudo snap refresh" real quick, that will get Firefox updated.
[22:07] <Bashing-om> Hash: ^ ' sudo snap remove firefox ' .
[22:08] <Hash> I'm just very irritable today I have no idea why!
[22:08] <Hash> I wanted to start a brand new ~/ and I coudln't.
[22:08] <Hash> kde wallet wouldn't open, chrome browser won't work, because even thoughI copied all the wallet files and gnupg keys
[22:09] <Hash> Still won't open. So I had to copy my entire 12 year old ~ to new home and then it worked in this instal
[22:09] <Hash> That's irritable as I wanted to start a new profile clean.
[22:09] <Hash> Sigh.
[22:09] <Hash> Then I lost all my cookies, had to relogin everywehre.
[22:09] <Hash> It's a hassle.
[22:09] <Hash> now i have to steup all my ubuntu stuff all over again.
[22:12] <Hash> I installed new snap of it, -P, and selected the right profile. had to restore from zfs backup
[22:12] <Hash> I'm not happy with this etup. I want a new home and only want to copy over ssh keys, gpunpg keys, wallet, some few dot files and that's it, start a new home, but have things work. I can't figure out why kdewallet won't open, even though I copied all the files.
[22:14] <Hash> and even though snap firefox is installed, I removed ~/snap and it's using .mozilla for profile information.
[22:15] <Hash> So some online docs said if you use ubuntu firefox snap, profile is stored in ~/snap but that doesnt' seem to be the case
[22:15] <rickard> maybe its in /var/snap
[22:21] <Praxis> I upgraded from ubuntu server 20 to 22 and ever since then my vm has only stay online for about 20 minutes. It just seems to stop responding to the network. I have to reset the vm to get it to respond. I have logs but I can't understand them. Can anyone help?
[22:22] <tomreyn> Praxis: can oyu share those logs then? on a pastebin-like site?
[22:22] <Praxis> yeah
[22:22] <tomreyn> Praxis: also, which virtualization is it, which network driver?
[22:23] <tomreyn> are you using default ubuntu kernels?
[22:23] <Praxis> https://pastebin.com/DPCcgerZ
[22:24] <Praxis> tomreyn that's a long story, i've been trying to figure out kernel issues for a minute
[22:25] <tomreyn> a yes or no to the latter question will be sufficient
[22:25] <Praxis> https://pastebin.com/qq23NzB5
[22:25] <Hash> I also run #kernel if you need kernel help, we have some good people there.
[22:26] <Praxis> tomreyn I SHOULD be running the default kernel, but I am getting that thing about "Linux version 5.4.0-100-generic" in the log I just posted
[22:27] <Hash> Yeah, so I did that upgrade from 18 to 20, same thing, kernel didnt' update.
[22:27] <tomreyn> and this would be after the 22.04 upgrade then?
[22:27] <Hash> I had to manually install 5.15 and remove the old kernel.
[22:27] <tomreyn> Praxis: ^
[22:27] <Hash> I'm not sure why
[22:27] <Praxis> tomreyn yes
[22:27] <Hash> Same thing happend with 20 to 22 upgrade on a server
[22:27] <Praxis> Hash yeah I had to do the same, but this message keeps coming up anyway
[22:27] <Hash> For some reason, do relese upgrade keeps the same running kernel, even if you reboot, it's default selected I think
[22:28] <tomreyn> Praxis: this is what you should be running https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-updates/linux-image-virtual
[22:28] <tomreyn> Praxis: apt list --installed linux-image*
[22:30] <Praxis> Yeah that's what it says I'm running
[22:31] <Praxis> but I do keep getting that log thing, I don't really know how to read logs
[22:31] <tomreyn> Praxis: you share the output of this command, on a pastebin-like service?
[22:31] <Praxis> tomreyn if you want
[22:31] <Praxis> linux-image-5.15.0-43-generic/jammy-updates,jammy-security,now 5.15.0-43.46 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[22:31] <Praxis> linux-image-generic/jammy-updates,jammy-security,now <IP_ADDRESS>.44 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[22:32] <Praxis> That's easier
[22:32] <tomreyn> and in /boot you have which vmlinu* files?
[22:32] <tomreyn> did you reboot after the upgrade completed? how did you upgrade actually?
[22:33] <Praxis> tomreyn I upgraded through a guide specific to ubuntu server
[22:34] <Praxis> and yeah I've had to reboot hundreds of times
[22:35] <tomreyn> did this guide suggest to edit files in /etc/sources.list* to point to the new target release (jammy) then, or did it suggest to run "do-release-upgrade -d"?
 and in /boot you have which vmlinu* files?
[22:37] <Praxis> the guide pretty much did sudo apt update, and then `do-release-upgrade -d`
[22:37] <tomreyn> according to https://pastebin.com/qq23NzB5 (assuming this is from the current session) you are running an outdated kernel now, i'm trying to understand why.
[22:37] <tomreyn> ok
[22:37] <Praxis> tomreyn it's not the current session but they all say that
[22:37] <tomreyn> maybe you can just post the output of    cat /proc/version
[22:37] <tomreyn> its just one line
[22:38] <Praxis> ok
[22:38] <Praxis> Linux version 5.15.0-43-generic (buildd@lcy02-amd64-076) (gcc (Ubuntu 11.2.0-19ubuntu1) 11.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.38) #46-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 12 10:30:17 UTC 2022
[22:38] <tomreyn> okay, so you are running the updated kernel image now, not the one seen on https://pastebin.com/qq23NzB5
[22:39] <Praxis> See it says i'm running the right kernel there, and 22.04 doesn't boot on 5.4 so...
[22:39] <tomreyn> now for the other log, could you report this without the lines cut off at character 80?
[22:40] <Praxis> I do keep seeing this `Mar 24 01:36:32 torrentland pulseaudio[14913]: GetManagedObjects() failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply`
[22:40] <tomreyn> is this a graphical desktop in a VM?
[22:41] <Praxis> it's a ubuntu server running headless
[22:41] <Praxis> or at least it should be
[22:41] <tomreyn> then you probably don't actually need pulseaudio.
[22:41] <Praxis> I ONLY ssh in
[22:41] <Praxis> tomreyn yeah no kidding
[22:41] <arraybolt3> Praxis: I'm guessing it's a torrent seeder since it's called torrentland, what BitTorrent software are you running? Maybe it pulled in PulseAudio and maybe it's connected to your network problems?
[22:42] <Praxis> arraybolt3 qbittorrent, with wireguard for vpn
[22:43] <arraybolt3> I would immediately suspect your VPN software if you're having network issues.
[22:43] <Praxis> arraybolt3 I would too, so I shut them both down, and it didn't change anything
[22:44] <Praxis> arraybolt3 also it shouldn't effect anything within my internal network
[22:45] <arraybolt3> Hmm. Do all services go offline, or just SSH?
[22:45] <Praxis> well virsh reports it as "running"
[22:45] <arraybolt3> If it's just SSH, we should probably dig in whatever log is relevant to learn why sshd is terminating. If it's everything, it's probably a deeper problem.
[22:45] <Praxis> but ssh stops responding.
[22:46] <arraybolt3> Praxis: Maybe you can try to download one of the torrents you're seeding when SSH dies and see if you're getting any traffic coming from your server?
[22:46] <arraybolt3> (Hmm, with a VPN that might make things tricky though...)
[22:47] <Praxis> arraybolt3 already thought of that, i run qbittorrent-nox, so it's all through local web browser, when it stops responding in ssh, it stops responding in the browser too
[22:48] <arraybolt3> That sounds like more than just SSH. Are you using a cloud hosting provider or is this a machine you have physical access to?
[22:49] <arraybolt3> My idea is, try making a new Ubuntu Server 22.04 VM and see if it also has its network flop over like this - if so, it might be a problem with your VM host, which would be easy to fix if it's on your end, or potentially require customer support if your
[22:49] <arraybolt3> you're using a cloud service.
[22:49]  * arraybolt3 hit Enter too early
[22:49] <Praxis> arraybolt3 physical access
[22:49] <arraybolt3> Praxis: Possibly silly question, but did you upgrade the host or guest?
[22:50] <Praxis> arraybolt3 both
[22:50] <arraybolt3> OK. If the whole network of the VM is dying, maybe the logs related to libvirt from the host will be more useful, since a total flop of the network sounds to me more likely to be a host problem than a guest problem.
[22:51] <Praxis> arraybolt3 interesting
[22:51] <Praxis> what would I want to look for in the host?
[22:51] <tomreyn> could just be network congestion also
[22:52] <arraybolt3> Praxis: What all is in /var/log/libvirt (pastebin please, redact sensitive data)?
[22:53] <Praxis> tomreyn seems unlikely my system is kinda beefy
[22:54] <Praxis> arraybolt3 you want the output from a file from within /var/log/libvirt?
[22:55] <arraybolt3> Praxis: I don't know what all files are in there, so I'm hoping for the output of "ls /var/log/libvirt", you can pastebin it in the command line with "ls /var/log/libvirt | nc termbin.com 9999".
[22:55] <Praxis> the files are "lxc  qemu  uml"
[22:55] <arraybolt3> Is your VM running on LXC or QEMU?
[22:56] <arraybolt3> (Don't share a log yet.)
[22:56] <Praxis> https://termbin.com/bxmf
[22:56] <Praxis> QEMU
[22:56] <arraybolt3> OK, do "cp /var/log/libvirt/qemu /home/user/qemulog.txt", replacing the destination as appropriate, then look through the file and redact any passwords or other sensitive data. Then share that file via a pastebin.
[22:58] <konrados> Hi! I just accidentally run 'joournalctl' and I noticed this message every one second: device (wlXYZ): supplicant interface state: scanning -> disconnected, followed by ..... -> scanning. Well, I'm on ethernet, I indeed have a wifi card, but I use it very very rarely. I think I should stop this scanning somehow, am I right?  Is this posssible? BTW, the wifi works fine.
[23:01] <konrados> I mean, when I google it, the only posts are about "hey, my wifi doesn't work", it's the opposite here - the wifi works, I just don't want these logs :)
[23:04] <Bashing-om> arraybolt3: /20
[23:05] <Bashing-om> OOOPPss arraybolt3 :(
[23:05] <Praxis> arraybolt3 I'm having some trouble figuring out how to open those files, but I'm working on it
[23:09] <Praxis> arraybolt3 okay I got it open what do you need to see in it
[23:11] <tomreyn> konrados: is this Ubuntu with a graphical user interface, so gnome-shell?
[23:12] <tomreyn> Praxis: i think the idea was for you to remove sensitive data off it (if you think you need to), then post it online.
[23:13] <konrados> tomreyn, GUI, yes, but it's Kubuntu (so it's KDE). But why?
[23:13] <tomreyn> Praxis: you can edit text files using a text editor such as nano (or, for the more advanced, using vim or emacs)
[23:13] <Praxis> tomreyn I know, thanks
[23:14] <tomreyn> konrados: if this is a laptop, it probably has some keyboard shortcut for disabling the wireless.
[23:15] <tomreyn> konrados: something along the line of combining the "Fn" key with one of the F1-12 keys
[23:16] <tomreyn> konrados: alternatively, you can just select "Turn off" on the network manager GUI for the wireless interface.
[23:16] <Praxis> https://pastebin.com/CLwzcCsV
[23:16] <Praxis> I just realized those logs were from april, maybe this will be more helpful
[23:19] <konrados> tomreyn, yeap, I did that (deactivating on the GUI) and it worked, ah,, didn't think about such simple solution :) :) Thank you!!!
[23:20] <tomreyn> you're welcome :)
[23:22] <Praxis> tomreyn arraybolt3 did you see the pastebin
[23:24] <tomreyn> Praxis: i saw the partial kernel log you posted. what is this for?
[23:24] <Praxis> tomreyn I thought it might have some more up to date info because i realized the other one was from april
[23:24] <Praxis> tomreyn no luck?
[23:25] <tomreyn> Praxis: yes, this is a current partial log, so this succeeded.
[23:26] <Praxis> I mean is there anything in there that's helpful?
[23:27] <tomreyn> this partial kernel boot log does not have any information on why your VM stopped resopnding to network requests a some point, now.
[23:27] <tomreyn> *no
[23:28] <Praxis> tomreyn alright I'm still trying to figure out which log in var is the right one
[23:29] <tomreyn> Praxis: you should correlate the time when it happened to the lines in the system log. your logs are viewable using the journalctl command.
[23:29] <Praxis> tomreyn alright I'm going to have to wait for it to time out again
[23:29] <tomreyn> why so? can't you tell when it happened last?
[23:30] <Praxis> I don't remember the exact time it happened last
[23:30] <Praxis> or wait
[23:30] <Praxis> maybe i can
[23:31] <Praxis> how would I see when a specific command was entered in terminal?
[23:32] <oerheks> bash history, unless it was a sudo command
[23:34] <Bashing-om> Praxis: If you are going to wait for an event - might be productive to run ' journalctl -f ' in a dedicated terminal interface to watch what the kernel is doing.
[23:34] <Praxis> Bashing-om thanks
[23:34] <Praxis> 1999  virsh reset torrentland what does `1999` mean?
[23:36] <tomreyn> Praxis: you joined this irc channel at 22:17 UTC
[23:36] <Praxis> ah
[23:36] <Praxis> it just happened
[23:36] <Praxis> what should I do?
[23:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Praxis: Can you try to ping the server?
[23:37] <tomreyn> see what was looged in journalctl at the time
[23:40] <Praxis> arraybolt3[m] 7 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss
[23:41] <arraybolt3> Yep, the whole server is inaccessible. Hopefully journalctl will have the critical hint. Unless the VM has panicked or something, this sounds like the bridge or somesuch has gone down.
[23:41] <Praxis> how do i call up journal and have it show me the most recent info?
[23:42] <tomreyn> journalctl -e
[23:45] <Praxis> https://pastebin.com/UYVxQ46L
[23:49] <tomreyn> this can be the systemd-coredump issue which was recently reported, i don't remeber the bug id though
[23:50] <oerheks> Praxis, is this plex?
[23:51] <Praxis> oerheks that's one of the various things I am running
[23:51] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: BitTorrent is also involved in case that helps, as well as a VPN.
[23:51] <Praxis> oerheks arraybolt3[m] that's on a VM, this is the host
[23:52] <tomreyn> can you make sure the system is up to date?    sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -V
[23:53] <Praxis> tomreyn yeah i run it daily
[23:54] <tomreyn> exactly these commands
[23:54] <tomreyn> ?
[23:54] <Praxis> tomreyn sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
[23:55] <tomreyn> which looks different
[23:55] <tomreyn> so if you run what i suggested, what happens?
[23:55] <Praxis> I just ran both, same output
[23:56] <av2156> Hi, is there any permanent way to delete a network interface?
[23:57] <tomreyn> Praxis: the last line of output is?
[23:57] <Praxis> tomreyn 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:57] <Praxis> same on both
[23:58] <Praxis> tomreyn Aug 07 16:57:17 xenon.xanderland.tv autossh[2752]: ssh exited with error status 255; restarting ssh


[01:20] <crimsun> jbarnes: thanks for the heads-up. we probably want to use update-initramfs instead; i'm checking the logic to make sure it does the right thing when -u is used.
[01:21] <crimsun> jbarnes: otherwise we need (duplicated) logic in installkernel :/
[01:29] <jbarnes> crimsun: oh I haven't tried update-initramfs... I mainly just want my kernel "make install" to work :)
[01:31] <crimsun> jbarnes: yes, i've modified the debianutils source package; i just want to make sure -c is the right thing
[01:31] <jbarnes> cool
[07:24] <tjaalton> the recent kernels fail to detect my disks on install
[07:25] <tjaalton> -4.5 was fine
[07:54] <tjaalton> filed bug 314992
[07:54] <ubot3> Malone bug 314992 in linux "jaunty: installer fails to find the disk, worked with -4.5" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314992
[13:25] <cjwatson> tjaalton: might be a d-i bug after all (I notice given the comment about ATA modules you made in the bug). I commented
[13:27] <rtg> cjwatson: fallout from config changes?
[13:33] <cjwatson> rtg: just needed to rebuild the installer, as otherwise its kernel and the module udebs it fetched at runtime were skewed. no big deal
[13:35] <rtg> cjwatson: cool. I think I'm about done making big config changes.
[13:53] <tjaalton> cjwatson: it's still the same
[13:53] <tjaalton> should've mentioned that on the bug..
[13:54] <tjaalton> (ie. it's what I used, and no different from ubuntu8)
[13:54] <cjwatson> hmph, ok
[13:54] <cjwatson> will have to poke about
[13:55] <cjwatson> I'm diving down a series of ext4 rabbit-holes today
[13:55] <tjaalton> is it usable on the alternate installer yet?
[13:55] <cjwatson> no, working on it.
[13:55] <tjaalton> cool
[13:57] <cjwatson> partman-ext3, partman-partitioning, parted, klibc ... it's a little bit complex
[13:59] <tjaalton> :)
[14:06] <tjaalton> cjwatson: hum, actually now I can see the disks after all, but I see that parted_devices has segfaulted
[14:12] <tjaalton> so maybe I didn't have ubuntu9 when I thought I had (used se.a.u.c.. silly me)
[14:14] <cjwatson> *parted_devices* segfaulted?
[14:14]  * cjwatson blinks
[14:14] <cjwatson> that program is 91 lines long, not a lot of room for madness
[14:14] <tjaalton> yep, partman-lvm finished probing for lvm, and then boom
[14:15] <cjwatson> can you run 'anna-install strace-udeb' and strace it?
[14:15] <cjwatson> just run it with no arguments
[14:16] <cjwatson> /dev/sda1 on /target type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,barrier=1,data=ordered)
[14:16] <cjwatson> not far now
[14:17] <tjaalton> cjwatson: ok, and post the strace somewhere?
[14:18] <cjwatson> yeah
[14:23] <tjaalton> cjwatson: ok here you go http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/foo/parted-devices-strace
[14:39] <cjwatson> tjaalton: ok, thanks, bit of a head-scratcher but I'm looking at it ...
[14:46] <cjwatson> tjaalton: anything unusual about /dev/mapper/rootvg-root that would save me time if I knew about it?
[14:46] <tjaalton> cjwatson: shouldn't be.. what if I wiped it and tried again?
[14:47] <cjwatson> let's not destroy the evidence eh?
[14:48] <tjaalton> ok :)
[14:48] <tjaalton> it was installed using some earlier jaunty installer, can't remember if it was before christmas
[14:48] <tjaalton> the vg has four lv's (tmp, swap, root, var)
[14:49] <cjwatson> what does 'dmsetup table' say?
[14:49] <cjwatson> maybe 'dmsetup table /dev/mapper/rootvg-root'
[14:50] <tjaalton> nothing..
[14:50] <tjaalton> but just dmsetup table shows an entry about multipath
[14:51] <tjaalton> oh right.. gah
[14:51] <smb_tp> tjaalton, You have multipath hw? :)
[14:51] <tjaalton> smb_tp: I do, but not this box :/
[14:52] <tjaalton> so looks like enabling multipath breaks if trying to install a normal box.. I'll try without
[14:52] <smb_tp> Does our multipath use on disk metadata to coalesce the devices ?
[14:55] <smb_tp> That would be quite odd. Oh, hm, wasn't there somewhere a bug about changed scsi_id arguments...
[14:57] <smb_tp> Gos it seems long time ago. IIRC there was a dry-run argument to multipath and you could increase debug level with -v#
[14:57] <tjaalton> cjwatson: so it was "d-i disk-detect/multipath/enable" which broke it after all
[14:57] <smb_tp> That way you would see the callouts done and the results
[14:57] <cjwatson> hm, still bad that libparted segfaults
[14:58] <cjwatson> (one moment ...)
[15:00] <cjwatson> tjaalton: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102202/ might fix it; I'll put that in my next parted upload
[15:01] <tjaalton> cjwatson: ok, I'll try it once it's out
[15:03] <smb_tp> tjaalton, Just to be sure, what line did dmsetup target put out with multipath?
[15:03] <smb_tp> It would be bad if that could cause normal disks to get grouped
[15:03] <tjaalton> smb_tp: one moment, I'll enable it again
[15:04] <tjaalton> smb_tp: it did "steal" the devices, meaning that rootvg-* were all empty
[15:05] <smb_tp> Hm, might be the problem from the past that lvm normally does not scan dm devices
[15:07] <tjaalton> smb_tp: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102204/
[15:07] <smb_tp> Ah ok
[15:08] <tjaalton> hmm, I wonder if I could install it anyway
[15:09] <smb_tp> So enabling multipath put all disks into multipath groups (so it potentially can add more paths later). But its only one target so thats good. The problem is likely that lvm avoids scanning device-mapper devices since tis could be its own.
[15:09] <smb_tp> Does pvscan -vvv give clues?
[15:12] <tjaalton> /dev/mapper/rootvg-root: Aliased to /dev/dm-4 in device cache
[15:12] <tjaalton> etc
[15:13] <smb_tp> But nothing of actually scanning for metadata?
[15:13] <tjaalton> http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/foo/pvscan-out
[15:16] <cjwatson> this is why multipath isn't on by default in the installer, I guess :)
[15:17] <tjaalton> yeah, I need to isolate the preseed option for the relevant hw :)
[15:17] <smb_tp> It definitely looks nt well tested
[15:20] <smb_tp> The main problem is that partitioning a multipath device does not work. So you have to set up partitions before and then let multipath detect those...
[15:20] <smb_tp> This is not the issue here, though
[15:21] <tjaalton> smb_tp: multipath installation works fine :)
[15:21] <tjaalton> I've got one BL406c here..
[15:22] <tjaalton> grub doesn't support multipath yet though, but it only needs one small patch (bug filed too)
[15:22] <smb_tp> I only worked with ESS6K/8K before. :)
[15:23] <smb_tp> To clarify: multipath installation that work: with or without lvm and for which release?
[15:24] <tjaalton> actually, it's without lvm
[15:24] <tjaalton> there were some problems with lvm, mostly about it being unable to clean up an existing lvm setup
[15:25] <tjaalton> on jaunty
[15:25] <tjaalton> some packages should be promoted to main too, now I need to enable universe udebs
[15:26] <smb_tp> Is it more than libvolume-id1 ?
[15:26] <tjaalton> oh, and udev fails to init the devices properly, I need to run kpartx by hand in initramfs
[15:27] <tjaalton> hmm, libvolume-id1 isn't installed on that system
[15:28] <smb_tp> About lvm, you might try to add "types = [ "device-mapper", 1 ]" to /etc/lvm/lvm.conf and see what happens on vgscan
[15:30] <tjaalton> well it's not using lvm atm
[15:30] <smb_tp> Not sure this hit you as well, but we found this to be in universe this morning, but it should be in main by now
[15:31] <smb_tp> Oh, that was meant for the system where multipath steals the volumes
[15:31] <tjaalton> ah
[15:33] <smb_tp> The kpartx problem might be in udev. There should be a online event which should trgger the kpartx. Historically it was an add event but that caused race conditions
[15:34] <tjaalton> so what should I expect after the vgscan? dmsetup table still shows the same as before
[15:35] <soren> vgscan looks at block devices for lvm superblocks. I don't think device-mapper gets told about them until they're activated.
[15:36] <smb_tp> Sigh, might be jsut not enough then. I am a bit rusted here. It could have been a combination of this and filter rules.
[15:36] <smb_tp> lvm reads the start of the devices- If yu have multipath you get a device-mapper device that is not controlled by lvm
[15:38] <tjaalton> multipath-udeb and libaio-udeb were the ones that should be moved to main for multipath support to work OOTB
[15:38] <smb_tp> I remember you had to be careful that way. The rules had to exclude the nodes created by lvm otherwise you got strange problems when trying to remove lvs
[15:38] <tjaalton> libaio1-udeb that is
[15:42] <smb_tp> Ah, ok. So that is different to our temporary problem this morning
[15:42] <tjaalton> I don't see why the udebs are in universe when the rest of the packages are in main
[15:44] <smb_tp> That might be something to ask cjwatson.
[15:45] <smb_tp> With respect to the vg which is stolen. I might have been misleaded here. From your log I see that mpath0 is scanned inedeed. But sure kpartx was not run, so we only get the full disk and that does not yealt the metadata
[15:46] <smb_tp> So the solution might be to try after running kpartx -a for it. Which should give a mpath0p1
[15:46] <tjaalton> this is inside the installer, the kpartx problem is when it boots up
[15:46] <tjaalton> ah
[15:47] <smb_tp> But still you only have mpath0 which is the whole disk. And the lvm data is on sda2
[15:48] <tjaalton> yeah, so that's why it fails to remove it?
[15:48] <smb_tp> Fail to remove what? Sorry got lost
[15:49] <tjaalton> it installs lvm on top of multipath fine if I remove the existing lvm setup first
[15:49] <cjwatson> tjaalton: which udebs?
[15:49] <tjaalton> cjwatson: multipath-udeb, libaio1-udeb
[15:50] <cjwatson> well, partman-multipath is in universe too ...
[15:50] <tjaalton> ah, that too :)
[15:50] <smb_tp> If you install on top of mpath0 You end up using the disk just without any partitions. Works for the normal disks as long as you don't have IBM zSeries
[15:50] <cjwatson> did anyone ever write a MIR for it?
[15:51] <tjaalton> cjwatson: let me check
[15:51] <cjwatson> if that gets promoted we can promote multipath-udeb and libaio1-udeb at the same time
[15:52] <tjaalton> cjwatson: no MIR wiki, but I've filed bug 309635 (and forgot about it already)
[15:52] <ubot3> Malone bug 309635 in partman-multipath "Please promote partman-multipath, multipath-udeb and multipath-tools-boot to main" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309635
[15:53] <cjwatson> and lool asked a question there by the looks of things
[15:54] <tjaalton> yes..
[15:55] <tjaalton> it got lost in the d-i bugfolder
[15:55]  * tjaalton needs to change the filtering priorities
[15:56] <tjaalton> well, it's perhaps enough to keep it in universe for now, but without grub support it's useless :)
[16:02] <lool> Updated the bug; happy to revisit when we have a group of people with hardware to support the package
[16:02] <lool> cjwatson: Or did you care for other reasons about multipath?
[16:03] <cjwatson> lool: only because tjaalton's asking for installer support and appears to have hardware necessary to test it
[16:03] <cjwatson> (and has been contributing installer tweaks)
[16:05] <tjaalton> tbh I don't know for how long I have the hw
[16:05] <lool> cjwatson: With your d-i hat on, I wouldn't mind you telling me that it's enough to support it
[16:05] <tjaalton> but it's all coming from debian
[16:05] <tjaalton> er, mp support that is
[16:07] <lool> I don't think this is an extremely strong requirement, but I think we ought to be able to test/fix/support packages in main, and it's not clear to me that it will be possible if we don't have a couple of people with the hardware or shared hardware accessible on request
[16:08] <lool> But I agree the package coming from Debian should already be in a working state
[16:08] <tjaalton> it already works on jaunty
[16:08] <lool> tjaalton: I mean over time
[16:08] <lool> I would expect it to work
[16:08] <tjaalton> lool: sure
[16:09] <tjaalton> all they are lacking (like us) is support in grub, which they'll have in grub2 but not grub1
[16:09] <lool> We discussed Grub 2 again at UDS jaunty
[16:09] <tjaalton> yep
[16:11] <tjaalton> got to go now ->
[16:19] <cjwatson> yay, successful ext4 installation
[16:20] <cking> cjwatson: way to go
[16:20] <cking> cjwatson: booting from ext4 too?
[16:21] <cjwatson> yep
[16:21] <cjwatson> ext4 / + swap
[16:22] <cking> cjwatson: yay!
[17:39] <rtg> apw: fixed your jaunty ABI problem
[17:58] <apw> rtg, what did you do?
[17:59] <rtg> started a new release? I guess that wouldn't have changed the ABI. doh!
[18:00] <rtg> never mind
[18:00] <apw> but that _might_ be my issue actually ... hmm
[18:00] <rtg> apw: no, it would still build. you must have added an ABI changing patch?
[18:01] <apw> yeah hmmm arr ooo, but it might fix my new problem!
[18:01] <apw> which is that the module.ignore is not working
[18:03] <rtg> apw: thats 'cause its called 'ignore.modules'
[18:03] <apw> if (-f "$prev_abidir/../modules.ignore") {
[18:03] <rtg> hmm, i guess there is also a modules.ignore. how confusing
[18:04] <apw> and $flavor.ignore.modules
[18:04] <rtg> oh, modules.ignore is a global ignore, not per flavour
[18:04] <apw> yeah
[18:05] <rtg> apw: seems like it ought to just exit.
[18:05] <apw> by doing the new release have you loaded up the abi files too?
[18:06] <rtg> yep, but they ought to be the same
[18:06] <apw> has not the name of them changed
[18:06] <rtg> 4.8 --> 4.9
[18:07] <apw> so when i have the changelog one element earlier am i not missing the abi or something
[18:07]  * apw isn't sure anymore, more actual testing on going
[18:07] <rtg> apw: but you said you're not having ABI issues, you're having module check problems
[18:08]  * apw is scrapping all his results and starting clean rebased on the newrelease and will report back
[19:04] <cjwatson> cking: thanks so much for that grub work, I'd have hated to have to do that - parted was hard enough ;-)
[19:07] <cking> cjwatson: no probs - all I did was coerce in a patch from Quentin Godfroy - so kudos to Quentin really
[20:32] <lool> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-4-generic
[20:32] <lool> mkdir: cannot create directory `/tmp/mkinitramfs_YJPCAT/etc/udev/rules.d': File exists
[20:32] <lool> Is this known?  I couldn't find it on LP
[20:32] <andersk> Yes, bug 314879
[20:32] <ubot3> Malone bug 314879 in udev "root on LVM broken since latest udev 136-2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314879
[20:32] <lool> thanks
[20:52] <sconklin> I'd like to invite comments on our plan to detect and report suspend/resume failures: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResume
[21:03] <jbarnes> sconklin: looks pretty good, I like the idea of the status file, that should help
[21:03] <jbarnes> sconklin: one thing I mentioned at UDS was that it would be good if the test-suspend script also tracked time to suspend and time to resume somehow
[21:04] <jbarnes> it should be able to calculate the total time using the timer since it knows when the wakeup should occur
[21:04] <sconklin> jbarnes: thanks. Doing it this way ends up just being some small hooks between various systems.
[21:04] <jbarnes> yeah
[21:05] <sconklin> Agreed - the same component writes and destroys that files, so should be able to put timestamps in and throw a delta into the log.
[21:05] <jbarnes> new platforms seem to be much faster... my x200s resumes in far less time than my t61, mostly due to bios improvements I think
[21:06] <sconklin> I'll add that to the wiki page and make sure apw sees it, since he's working that side
[21:06] <jbarnes> but I think there's lots of room to improve the kernel too, ideally it should be well under 500ms (about the time it takes to open the lid), so tracking time can help
[21:06] <sconklin> That's very useful information to have.
[21:07] <sconklin> well, here we get into the definition of what "resumed" means. Obviously at 500 mS you're not including wireless connectivity, but probably are including window manager fully usable.
[21:07] <jbarnes> right
[21:08] <jbarnes> though hopefully your wifi driver doesn't take 1m to re-associate :)
[21:08] <jbarnes> if you google around you'll probably find some of the visa/whql platform requirements msft put out recently
[21:08] <jbarnes> might be good to link to them or something
[21:10] <sconklin> yeah. The plan is to have this first cut operational by next week, and then see what we need to focus on from there.
[21:10] <jbarnes> cool
[23:39] <maxb> Is anything that linux-backports-modules does special in terms of overriding modules shipped with the default kernel, or does it only work because the modules it ships are not included in the default kernel packages?


[07:28] <ara> good morning!
[16:23] <davmor2> hey charlie-tca
[16:27] <charlie-tca> Hello, Daviey
[16:27] <charlie-tca> well, and Hello, davmor2
[16:28] <davmor2> hey charlie-tca do you happen to have a copy of the latest Ubuntu natty and a machine with NV gfx in it?
[16:28] <charlie-tca> No, mine is Xubuntu with nvidia hardware drivers
[16:29] <charlie-tca> Give me a minute, I'l  throw an nvidia card in another machine and install today's imagte
[16:29] <davmor2> charlie-tca: Could you try an Ubuntu cd in it at all?  I keep getting kernel panics
[16:29] <charlie-tca> will try
[16:31] <charlie-tca> Of course you are. The -12 kernel came out, but won't quite install. It gave me a failed error in updates
[16:33] <jibel> charlie-tca, if you do an apt-get install again, it should install then. At least it did for me on various hardware.
[16:35] <davmor2> charlie-tca: yeah but it works on my intel hw only the nvidia one is playing up
[16:36] <charlie-tca> Okay, burning a cd
[16:40] <charlie-tca> booting on nvidia
[16:44] <charlie-tca> starting to install
[16:53] <charlie-tca> Daviey:  stuck on timezone screen, no tty with information on it
[16:54] <charlie-tca> davmor2: :  stuck on timezone screen, no tty with information on it
[16:54] <charlie-tca> no panic indicated, though
[16:54] <davmor2> charlie-tca: thanks
[16:54] <charlie-tca> It just refuses to continue. The Forward is greyed out and the bottom indicator is "Ready when you are..."
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Does it do it with the alternate image, too?
[18:58] <charlie-tca> davmor2: no kernel panic; stuck in the same place everytime on desktop image;
[18:59] <charlie-tca> davmor2: alternate image installed and booted fine
[18:59] <davmor2> charlie-tca: thanks anyway
[18:59] <charlie-tca> Nvidia 6200
[22:06] <moustafa> cr3 : http://xkcd.com/844/


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[14:32] <mpmc> Well, that's interesting. No sound, Budgie completely disappears! Just have plank running :o
[14:34] <mpmc> Ok, reboot seems to have fixed it.