[02:58] <Empedocles> hi one speak spanish?
[03:00] <Empedocles> i install ubuntu 5.10 but the installation its bad , in the moment the copy of system basic and paquetes aditional of hard disk
[03:00] <Empedocles> instalation for amd 64
[03:00] <Empedocles> help me pleasse
[03:02] <Empedocles> hellos?
[03:02] <Empedocles> hola che
[03:03] <Empedocles> arkan0x hola
[03:03] <arkan0x> Empedocles, hola !
[03:03] <Empedocles> che tengo problemas en la instalacion me das una mano?
[03:04] <arkan0x> que problema tienes ?
[03:04] <arkan0x> Empedocles, #edubuntu-es
[03:04] <Empedocles> mira me baje la version 5.10
[03:04] <arkan0x> Empedocles, #edubuntu-es  entra a ese canal , ahi te ayudamos en espanol
[03:08] <iGotNoTime> night all :)
[05:56] <iGotNoTime> ok night all (for real this time) :)
[06:22] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: morning. have you seen this? http://kavlon.org/index.php/cb
[08:18] <Burgundavia> hmm http://lwn.net/Articles/175574/
[09:12] <Burgundavia> janeW: not feeling very captial J-ish today?
[09:12] <JaneW> :P
[09:13] <highvolt1ge> yay! someone's here!
[09:13] <Burgundavia> highvolt1ge: I am nearly almost always here
[09:13] <Burgundavia> http://lwn.net/Articles/175574/
[09:14] <Burgundavia> and http://www.kavlon.org/index.php/cb
[09:14] <highvolt1ge> Burgundavia: i saw that when you posted earlier, joined the group :)
[09:15] <Burgundavia> looks like Userful is going to get a grant from the Canadian gov't to build an education solution
[09:15] <highvolt1ge> wow! great!
[09:15] <Burgundavia> should be an interesting time
[09:15] <Burgundavia> I am pushing the "use as much open source as possible" approarch
[09:17] <Burgundavia> I have tried that colouring book. Not bad but probably not usable on a thin client, due to overhead
[09:21] <highvolt1ge> it's also very, very pre-release.
[09:21] <highvolt1ge> probably not of high enough quality for mass deployment yet
[09:21] <highvolt1ge> 'use as much oss as possible' is a good approach.
[09:22] <highvolt1ge> i get scared when people say 'completely OSS', which you see often in underexperienced management.
[09:22] <highvolt1ge> (or just plain ignorant)
[09:24] <Burgundavia> userful is going to need some education in that area
[09:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: what was the verdict on the mailing list? anything else happen in the meeting of note?
[09:30] <JaneW> busy writing an e-mail now...
[09:38] <JaneW> sent
[09:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: WHY? :(
[09:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: i thought it went out to edubuntu-devel :)
[09:43] <JaneW> oic :)
[09:43] <JaneW> highvoltage: does it makes sense in context then?
[09:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes :)
[09:43] <JaneW> \o/
[09:43] <JaneW> now read mailing list one
[09:44] <highvoltage> hasn't arived yet
[09:44] <JaneW> well burning
[09:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: did you do something crazy, like running or climbing again?
[09:44] <JaneW> running, kata boxing and yoga
[09:44] <JaneW> followed by 2 days of just sitting for 9-10 hours in a row ;)
[09:44] <Burgundavia> what about edubuntu-devel and edubuntu-educators
[09:45] <JaneW> and not doing much else
[09:45] <JaneW> Burgundavia: kinda makes sense, but then does ppl scared of the word 'devel' won't be covered
[09:45] <JaneW> those looking for support
[09:45] <Burgundavia> ya, but three is pretty bad
[09:46] <JaneW> I have a poor guy now who posted a support question which never got answered and posted again and is not terrified he has been banned from the list
[09:46] <JaneW> I think some devel lists are VERY STRICT
[09:46] <JaneW> also ogra will be interested in e-devel and e-users but NOT e-educators....
[09:47] <Burgundavia> ubuntu-devel is getting stricter
[09:47] <JaneW> sure 3 times as much spam for me to filter - that's the last thing I want :P
[09:47] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: and people like me are scared of the word 'educators'
[09:47] <highvoltage> two lists is all we need, nothing more, imho
[09:48] <highvoltage> JaneW: most devel lists are very strict, not as leniant as the ubuntu lists
[09:48] <Burgundavia> actually, fedora-devel is more lenient that ubuntu and it hurts fedora
[09:49] <highvoltage> well, fedora is just a general mess-up
[09:49] <highvoltage> (but i didn't say that)
[09:49] <Burgundavia> hmm, indeed
[09:49] <Burgundavia> the support guys at work rip their hair out sometimes
[09:50] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to sleep
[09:50] <Burgundavia> I need to move to Europe
[09:50] <highvoltage> fedora is awful to support. things were much better here since we moved to ubuntu.
[09:50] <highvoltage> ok, sleep tight, Burgundavia
[09:55] <JaneW> highvoltage: so what about susan?
[09:55] <JaneW> highvoltage: or is that what the drupal forum will be for?
[09:56] <JaneW> read mailing list :P
[09:56] <highvoltage> pips1 wants a forum, but i don't think it's a good idea.
[09:56] <JaneW> From: 	Susan Addington<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:56] <JaneW> To: 	Edubuntu Edubuntu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:56] <JaneW> Subject: 	Re: Mailing list name
[09:56] <JaneW> Date: 	Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:53:07 -0800  (21:53 SAST)
[09:56] <highvoltage> JaneW: i don't know, i think that's something that requires more thought
[09:59] <highvoltage> JaneW: it will be to our benefit to provide a platform for curriculum integration into edubuntu, but i would like to avoid forums if at all possible, they attract all kinds of trouble
[10:00] <highvoltage> JaneW: although, many 'educators' prefer forums to mailing lists, but i'm sure we can find some kind of compromise
[10:00] <highvoltage> JaneW: drupal has a nice 'books' plugin, which allow people to work collaboratively on... stuff.
[10:01] <highvoltage> JaneW: similar to a wiki, so perhaps that might be a good option as well
[10:04] <JaneW> ok
[10:04] <JaneW> pipsl seemed keen on the forums
[10:04] <JaneW> can you discuss with him and decise which is best?
[10:04] <JaneW> decide even
[10:19] <JaneW> highvoltage: did you see my responses?
[10:19] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep, just responded :)
[10:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: i agree with what you say.
[10:20] <highvoltage> 3 lists is too much, at this stage.
[10:20] <JaneW> ok
[10:20] <highvoltage> *are
[10:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: i agree with hedblom too, following the conventions are nice
[10:33] <highvoltage> it can serve the same purpose
[11:56] <sivang> hody all
[12:00] <sivang> flint: ping
[12:01] <JaneW> who is co-ordinating the laptop testing team now?
[12:01] <JaneW> sivang: he is never here except at meeitng time
[12:01] <JaneW> sivang: try e-mail
[12:01] <JaneW> sivang: also it;s still a bit early
[12:02] <JaneW> sivang: after 13:00 UTC you'll have more chance of finding him up
[12:02] <sivang> JaneW: k, sure. You seen our email corrospondance regarding the backup solution? is what he talks about supposed to be an Edubuntu solution as well?
[12:03] <JaneW> sivang: I read it and then filed it, I am not going to get into an argument about it ;) It's for you and Matt and maybe Oli to decide
[12:11] <sivang> JaneW: I'm happy with his suggestions and input, and I think it's a wothwhile goal to eventually provide a full blown system to restore from scratch without having to reinstall and then reapply backup, however I need to first let to get out with the first release of my solution :)
[12:33] <JaneW> ogra: what's the URL for the cebit avi again?
[12:34] <ogra> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/cebit.avi
[12:35] <JaneW> ty
[12:38] <highvoltage> what's that?
[01:36] <spacey> ogra: ping :)
[01:36] <spacey> esddsp is a replacement for esd? or just a wrapper?
[01:36] <ogra> spacey, pong
[01:36] <spacey> there seems to be no documentation for esd at all :P
[01:36] <ogra> its a wrapper that sets ESPAEKER and LD_PRELOAD
[01:36] <spacey> http://www.tux.org/~ricdude/dbdocs/book1.html
[01:37] <ogra> LD_PRELOAD is the problem, it makes firefox crash ...
[01:37] <spacey> so just call the desired application with esddsp?
[01:37] <spacey> so its userwide
[01:37] <ogra> i think you can only use it session-wide, yes
[01:38] <spacey> ah
[01:38] <spacey> thats too bad
[01:38] <ogra> there is a firefox bug anywhere in malone ... it breaks flash sound ...
[01:38] <spacey> yeah i know about that one
[01:39] <spacey> they don't have sound now anyway
[01:39] <spacey> epiphany same problem?
[01:39] <ogra> flash is flash, no matter iun which browser
[01:39] <ogra> :)
[01:39] <spacey> yeah ok
[01:39] <spacey> :)
[01:39] <spacey> but at least epiphany won't crash :)
[01:39] <spacey> and they don't have sound now anyway
[01:39] <ogra> i didnt try ...
[01:40] <spacey> if firefox
[01:40] <spacey> i think
[01:40] <spacey> in
[01:40] <spacey> so i'll try it when the kids go home :P
[01:40] <spacey> oh wait
[01:40] <spacey> i'll just try it with my own user :P
[01:42] <spacey> ogra: but you know how esddsp is suppose to run?
[01:42] <ogra> yes, as i said, its sets these two variables :)
[01:43] <ogra>  less /usr/bin/esddsp
[01:43] <ogra> ;)
[01:43] <ogra> its a sheppscript
[01:43] <ogra> *shell
[01:43] <spacey> what i understood of it catched OSS output to esd
[01:44] <spacey> but i guess it can do that because of those two vars then :P
[01:45] <ogra> hmm, the last line in that script looks like it would be possible to run it for single programs
[01:49] <spacey> if its a wrapper it would make sense that way
[01:49] <spacey> hmhm /me gonna find a thin client to test
[01:50] <spacey> i was told the default esd needed some patches though, because it didn't capture open64 stuff. Is that something only needed on 64bit? or no idea?
[01:51] <ogra> the latter
[01:52] <spacey> anyway i patched it so i can try later.
[02:00] <highvolt1ge> ogra: i'm tempted to install Dapper flight 5 as a production system in two schools, do you think it's ready
[02:01] <ogra> nope, but if you can handle the glitches ...
[02:02] <highvolt1ge> hehe, i should've expected that :)
[02:04] <highvoltage> ogra: i think i'll hold on for flight 6, that should be relatively soonish (next three weeks or so), right?
[02:04] <ogra> likely
[03:16] <simon_> ltsp problem get to Gnome login manager but keyboard dosen't work. The mouse is fine
[03:54] <paolob> Hi guys! In my edub breezy I can't switch to the console when I have the gdm login screen. It happens only on one of my 5 ubuntu pc. What could be the reason?
[04:00] <ogra> paolob, nvidia driver ?
[04:06] <paolob> ogra, I don't think so. Where do I check it?
[04:07] <ogra> grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:07] <paolob> ogra, no, it's a "VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter"
[04:08] <paolob> the strange thing is that when I login in gdm the Alt-ctl-fx works.
[04:09] <paolob> it doesn't depend on the fact that there are services which aren't run.
[04:09] <flint> sivang, pong
[04:13] <sivang> flint: seem my email, in a meeting now
[04:15] <flint> sivang working on spam filter. last email I got named the project UPBackup.  I responded.  Take your time... :^)
[04:20] <ogra> JaneW, no wlan with ltsp ...
[04:21] <JaneW> ogra: dang, I feared that may be the case...
[04:22] <ogra> there is nothing like PXE or etherboot for wlan ...
[04:23] <ogra> i was planning something with jbailey but that would only create an CD iso with wireless support you could boot from ...
[04:25] <Yagisan> ogra: IIRC there was an etherboot for wlan, but I'd need to google for it
[04:32] <ogra> nothing we coulsd ship in any way
[04:32] <ogra> and kernel 2.4 based
[04:36] <Yagisan> oh well. can't be helped
[04:48] <edan> i wanted to know if edubuntu supports hebrew can anyone help???
[04:49] <ogra> edan, sivang could tell, he's busy with .il support in ubuntu
[04:49] <edan> ogra, thnx
[05:23] <sivang> edan: edubntu support hebrew out of the box, just as ubuntu does :)
[05:23] <sivang> edan: I'm myself a hebrew user, so I can witness the support is very good minus some cosmetic changes that might get fixed for the upcoming release.
[05:32] <edan> sivang, thnx alot
[05:40] <sivang> edan: np, prob, check out www.ubuntu.org.il for more details.
[05:40] <sivang> ogra: now it's come to me that when I have a free minute I Need to add an edubuntu section there :-)
[05:41] <ogra> note that we can only include a limited amount of lang-packs on the CD ...
[05:41] <ogra> -il isnt among them, you should note on the wiki that you need a online connection during install to have it right away ...
[05:42] <ogra> sadly one -kde langpack has the size of 3 -gnome langpacks, they eat all the space
[05:43] <sivang> okay, thakns for the tip. I will
[05:44] <sivang> ogra: maybe we could do several CDs according to region ?
[05:44] <sivang> middle east , arabic, hebrew , wahtever, EU, english, germen etc..
[05:45] <ogra> sivang, not now that wer are in shipit
[05:45] <ogra> *we
[05:50] <sivang> yes, I understand.
[06:31] <fabbione> hey flint
[06:31] <fabbione> i saw your ping before..
[06:31] <fabbione> sorry i wasn't around
[06:32] <Burgwork> ogra, for edubuntu, can we special case the kdeedu stuff and get it split into its own langpack?
[06:37] <ogra> i dont think our current langpack structure is able to do such fine grained tasks
[06:37] <Burgwork> well, lets think about this for dapper+1 then
[06:37] <ogra> yep
[06:37] <ogra> or +2
[06:38] <ogra> my featurelist for +1 is already to full for a 4 month release
[06:38] <Burgwork> what are the goals for +1?
[06:38] <ogra> mainly local device support, new app selection and probably dropping of kdeedu
[06:39] <ogra> getting ltsp manager in and improving the student control panel
[06:39] <ogra> improving sound to not suck if possible
[06:40] <ogra> and indeed the standard ltsp enhancements i work on with the debian guys ...
[06:41] <ogra> on my whishlist are menu profiles and (at least the beginnigs of) a drag and drop menu app that enables you to easily create profiles
[06:53] <Burgwork> ogra, have you looked at sabayon?
[06:54] <ogra> Burgwork, yes, i want something different
[06:54] <Burgwork> you want something simpler?
[06:55] <ogra> yes
[06:55] <ogra> way simpler
[06:55] <ogra> like an empty frame you can drop panel entrys into ...
[06:55] <Burgwork> can you send the list a braindump of what you want and I can start brainstomring a UI
[06:56] <ogra> which then creates a single toplevel menu and hides the system menu
[06:56] <ogra> so users in a group that has assigned a menu profile will only see applications and places ...
[06:57] <ogra> since i suspect the menus will be very small, i thing the applications menu might not even have subcategories (all arguable indeed, i want to make a BOF or two about it at the next conf)...
[06:58] <iGotNoTime> I have a question... Is a GTK front end GUI the same as a Gnome frontend?
[06:58] <iGotNoTime> what is GTK more or less :)
[06:59] <Burgwork> GTK is a graphical toolkit that GNOME and XFCE use as their base
[06:59] <iGotNoTime> ok thank you :)
[07:11] <highvoltage> iGotNoTime: hiThereiGotNoTime
[07:11] <iGotNoTime> highvoltage, hello there :)
[07:13] <iGotNoTime> does anyone here run Asterisk?
[07:14] <Burgwork> iGotNoTime, we do at work
[07:15] <iGotNoTime> Burgwork, well maybe you can help :P  I have it, it is running now
[07:15] <iGotNoTime> Burgwork, but how do I get the web GUI on?
[07:15] <iGotNoTime> I tried localhost but it says denied
[07:17] <Burgwork> no idea
[07:17] <iGotNoTime> ok :)
[07:18] <iGotNoTime> I even used Synaptic to install the GTK frontend for it, but now can't find where it was installed to to run it LOL
[07:22] <highvoltage> *sigh*
[07:23] <highvoltage> i'm bored, but i can't get myself to work
[07:23] <iGotNoTime> :D
[07:55] <Burgwork> ogra, is it worth the hit to remove kdeedu?
[07:56] <ogra> i didnt count exactly, but my geass would be we'd have ~80-100Mb extra
[07:56] <ogra> *guess
[07:57] <Burgwork> what about the loss of functionality?
[07:58] <ogra> kalzium is something i'd cry about ...
[07:58] <ogra> kig is easily replaced with drgeo ...
[07:59] <ogra> dunno about kturtle replacements, but i guess i'd find one
[07:59] <highvoltage> ktuberling would be a big loss, as simple a program as it is
[07:59] <ogra> there are vocabular training programs written in gtk, that should also be no problem
[07:59] <Burgwork> there is a gtk periodic elements
[08:00] <ogra> not comparable to kalzium
[08:00] <Burgwork> no
[08:00] <Burgwork> and mostly dead
[08:00] <ogra> kalzium wins prizes all the time ... its a widely noticed app
[08:01] <ogra> i think i saw a ktuberling clone in gtk ... cant remember the name ...
[08:02] <Burgwork> there is a art for a ktuberling clone out there
[08:02] <Burgwork> just no app
[08:02] <Burgwork> maybe we can get Jeff Elkner to get his students to do one?
[08:04] <highvoltage> i was initially very against the removal of the kde edutainment suite, but since it's so easy to apt-get install afterwards, i suppose it's not really a big deal at all.
[08:04] <ogra> Burgwork++
[08:05] <ogra> highvoltage, right and it gives us a ton of other apps or more languages ...
[08:05] <ogra> maintaining the CD currently really sucks
[08:06] <ogra> every flight i need to find something else to remove
[08:06] <Burgwork> ouch'=
[08:06] <highvoltage> ogra: i was wondering earlier about schooltool, it still needs to be added, right? and there's only a few KB left on the CD?
[08:07] <ogra> schooltool is on flight 5 :)
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> I am trying to add a printer, but don't know how
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> I selected Canon, but my model is not listed
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> the option to use driver is
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> but canon.com does not have a linux driver
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> any suggestion?
[08:49] <iGotNoTime> can I use an XP driver or no?
[08:51] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: what model is your printer?
[08:51] <iGotNoTime> HedgeMag1, i470D
[08:54] <enyc> iGotNoTime: what make/model canon?
[08:54] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: it isn't listed on linuxprinting.org, so chances are that it's not supported under Linux
[08:54] <enyc> right
[08:54] <iGotNoTime> yes canon i470D
[08:54] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: try googling a bit and see if you come up with anything.
[08:54] <iGotNoTime> thank you :)
[08:55] <enyc> iGotNoTime: linuxprinting.org can be very useful/helpful althuogh of course it may not exactly reflect the versions of ghostscript/gimp-print/foomatic/upsys etc. in your version of (ed)(k)ubuntu
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> ok
[08:55] <enyc> hrrm not even listed on linuxprinting.org that I can see
[08:56] <enyc> is this a high end printer ?  maybe it does PCL or postscript?
[08:56] <enyc> else a cheapo inkjet type thing?
[08:57] <enyc> http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Canon
[08:57] <enyc> does the printer have another model/make or writing on the back etc. ??
[09:46] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: are you still about?
[09:48] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: I found a brief reference to the Canon i470d on an archive of the fedora discussion list that suggests you can get *partial* functionality by using the driver for the Canon BJC800
[09:48] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: I'm not sure how "partial" it is, but it may be better than nothing
[10:21] <iGotNoTime> HedgeMage, Thank you :D
[10:21] <iGotNoTime> I was/am AFK because kids are home from school, but thank you :)
[10:23] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: no problem, i have a kid, too, I know how it goes
[11:24] <darth865656> hi there ;-)
[11:25] <darth865656> got a question concerning the dapper-edubuntu
[11:25] <darth865656> after installing and configuring my dhcp, clients boot etc but can't login at/to the server in the gui..
[11:26] <darth865656> has anybody an idea why? ;)
[11:39] <mhz> hi you all!
[11:46] <HedgeMage> hello
[11:47] <mhz> HedgeMage: hi


[05:06] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:09] <utkarsh2102> cpaelzer: o/
[05:12] <cpaelzer> hi utkarsh2102
[07:12] <scortal> hi
[07:12] <scortal> hi ubuntu-appsec server
[09:13] <scortal> hi
[09:14] <mircsicz> Hi all, I've got an issue with /run/tmpfiles.d: I'm trying to create dir's for nginx and put a nginx-dirs.conf in there, but it seems to get removed at reboot!
[09:43] <frickler> mircsicz: well that's the purpose of /run, if you want persistence, use /etc/tmpfiles.d instead
[09:44] <mircsicz> frickler THX a ton and yes makes sense
[17:15] <sergiodj> lvoytek: hey, there are 2 mysql bugs in my triage today and I'm wondering if they ring any bell to you (before I start spending some time analysing them)
[17:16] <sergiodj> lvoytek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-8.0/+bug/1977886 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-8.0/+bug/1977823
[17:24] <lvoytek> sergiodj: Yeah both fall under known categories, I'll put them in the right place. Thanks!
[17:25] <sergiodj> lvoytek: awesome, thank you@
[17:25] <sergiodj> s/@/!/
[17:42] <ahasenack> sergiodj: the last debian upload of samba moved again files from a package to another, but this time this impacted symbols :/
[17:43] <ahasenack> he moved files from libwbclient0 to samba-libs, and samba-libs has no symbols (theoretically it's only used within samba itself, that's the justification I believe)
[17:43] <ahasenack> but a lot of symbols were dropped from libwbclient0 as a result. I'm checking if the reverse-deps still install
[17:43] <ahasenack> (and run)
[17:44] <ahasenack> they should, if these symbols are really only used within samba
[17:44] <ahasenack> but these riscv64 build failures are impacting the ppa as a whole :/
[17:49] <sergiodj> oh, man
[17:50] <sergiodj> ahasenack: it seems like we'll have to closely monitor the next uploads just in case...
[17:51] <sergiodj> I have the feeling we will still see some major changes in the next months
[18:25] <ahasenack> $ smbclient
[18:25] <ahasenack> smbclient: error while loading shared libraries: libreplace-samba4.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:26] <ahasenack> new smbclient (my example package) doesn't depend on libwbclient0 anymore. I updated just libwbclient0 and my existing smbclient faield like that
[18:26] <ahasenack> the new smbclient has the correct dep moved to the package where these libs were moved to, so that is ok
[18:26] <ahasenack> there may be a missing breaks again
[18:27] <ahasenack> still need to wait for the ppa to build this stuff so I can try with apt
[18:28] <ahasenack> I guess in sid it's too late to test an upgrade, unless I have an older sid lying around
[18:38] <sergiodj> ahasenack: there's snapshot.debian.org
[18:39] <ahasenack> oh, that might be useful
[18:39] <ahasenack> sid already has the latest indeed
[18:39] <ahasenack> (the lxd image)
[18:40] <sergiodj> snapshot.d.o is really great :)
[18:41] <ahasenack> I'm envious now
[18:41] <ahasenack> so easy to setup
[18:41] <sergiodj> yeah
[18:41] <ahasenack> got the package
[18:42] <ahasenack> (via apt)
[18:43] <ahasenack> download speed is not that great, though
[18:47] <sergiodj> yeah, that's the downside of the service
[18:47] <sergiodj> when I was setting up debuginfod.d.n I considered indexing the -dbgsym files available in the snapshot service, but that's just unfeasible
[18:50] <ahasenack> hm, apt does the right thing in the ugprade
[18:50] <ahasenack> upgrade
[18:53] <ahasenack> I don't know why dpkg -i didn't complain
[18:53] <ahasenack> the dep is clear
[18:53] <ahasenack> oh well
[18:53] <ahasenack> ah
[19:36] <ahasenack> ok, tested all reverse deps that are not from samba itself, they seem to work fine with the new libwbclient0
[20:51] <scortal1> ubuntu server
[20:55] <giu-> hi to all
[21:21] <Guest2965> ubuntu scortal here


 This one: http://fosscon.us/
[01:51] <JonathanD> FOSSCON.
[01:51] <JonathanD> Have a nice day.
[01:52] <ChinnoDog> lol
[02:37] <marcoceppi> ChinnoDog: I might, I don't know who's going
[02:37] <marcoceppi> someone from my team will probably be there


[00:04] <duanedesign> my goodness, been a busy channel today
[00:04] <duanedesign> taking me an hour to read the scrollback :P
[00:13] <duanedesign> jono: as you move forward with the community review to assess how accessible our community is for newcomers would you please keep the Beginners Team in mind as a vehicle for helping to simplyfy the onboarding experience.
[00:14] <jono> duanedesign, will do
[00:14] <jono> :-)
[00:14] <duanedesign> thank you sir
[01:05] <cjohnston> doctormo: the other accommodations lists >300 meters.. should that be <1000 ft?
[01:31] <doctormo> cjohnston: I'm not sure, do you think it needs to be specified? if so, please do add it to the wiki
[01:31] <cjohnston> I was joking about the feet.. but you said greater than 300 meters... >300
[01:52] <doctormo> cjohnston: Read it literally, less-than 300 meters
[01:53] <doctormo> But the sign is the wrong way round
[01:53] <cjohnston> I know what you meant.. but the > was backwards ;-)
[01:54] <duanedesign> doctormo: ok got my flight
[01:54] <duanedesign> doctormo: thanks again for the help
[01:54] <doctormo> duanedesign: Did you get the $65 too?
[01:54] <duanedesign> doctormo: not as of earlier today
[01:55] <doctormo> We're basically waiting on a few people to confirm their plans and I'll move forwards with the accommodation booking.
[01:55] <duanedesign> ill check in a minute
[01:55] <doctormo> duanedesign: You know who to email about it :-) I'll leave it in your hands.
[01:55]  * duanedesign adding his flight info to the wiki
[01:56] <duanedesign> doctormo: yep. no problem there. I have talked to him a few times. Some issues with his bank in spain :)
[02:09] <pleia2> so nice to see this coming together, awesome work doctormo :)
[02:13] <duanedesign> yes i wouldnt even considered going had it not been for doctormos help
[02:13] <duanedesign> next uds (when  i am not unemployed) i hope to return the karma and help someone else
[02:26] <doctormo> duanedesign: Ironically you could help me ;-)
[02:27] <doctormo> Actually I retract, I meant coincidentally.
[03:04] <duanedesign> doctormo: hello
[03:05] <duanedesign> doctormo: sorry was on the phone
[03:55] <doctormo> duanedesign: np
[04:01] <duanedesign> doctormo: did you still need help with something?
[04:01] <doctormo> duanedesign: nope
[04:01] <doctormo> thanks though!
[08:11] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[08:12] <popey> lo
[08:20] <vish> hi
[08:26] <czajkowski> peeka boo
[08:29] <AlanBell> o/
[08:35] <dpm> wow, lots of folk early in the morning :)
[09:50]  * nigelb waves
[09:50] <nigelb> ara: awesome site.  qa site now rocks :)
[09:50] <ara> nigelb, thanks!
[09:52] <nigelb> is the tracks page on the new uds site broken only for me?
[09:54] <nigelb> oh, that's all sorts of css broke :/
[09:54] <nigelb> I wonder if the code is in bzr somewhere...
[09:54] <nigelb> jcastro: ^^ ?
[12:14] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:20] <nigelb> morning duanedesign :)
[12:23]  * duanedesign waves at nigelb
[15:40] <jcastro> dinda: I added my school to your list!
[15:40] <dinda> jcastro: awesome!
[15:41] <dinda> jcastro:  I can't get over some of the great work being done by kids and schools
[15:43] <jcastro> I know
[15:44] <jcastro> I wish we had the time/resources to do proper .edu work
[15:44] <dinda> jcastro: I'm trying to make the business case right now :)
[15:45] <jcastro> \o/
[15:46] <Pendulum> dinda: yay! :)
[15:47] <czajkowski> whoo
[15:47] <czajkowski> D
[15:47] <czajkowski> dinda: you rock
[15:49] <dinda> of course, supporting blog posts by community peoples wouldn't hurt ;)
[15:49] <jcastro> what do I need to point to?
[15:50] <czajkowski> dinda: heading to the one in limerick next week to do an interview
[15:50] <Pendulum> dinda: I assume you're in touch with cprofitt?
[15:50] <dinda> Pendulum: yes but not lately
[15:51] <dinda> jcastro: good question. . .
[15:52] <dinda> jcastro:  that wiki list, the edubuntu site, any evidence that this is a growing sector/business area for us and that just in general Ubuntu and education just makes sense
[15:52] <jcastro> ok
[15:52] <jcastro> I'll wait until tonight, you're on top of planet and I don't want to mess that up yet
[15:52] <jcastro> heh
[15:52] <jcastro> new edubuntu.org does look pretty awesome
[15:56] <jcastro> akgraner: yikes, no one has signed up for OW yet except for Mark!
[15:56]  * jcastro will make that his priority today
[15:56] <jcastro> dinda/highvoltage: want to do an education thing?
[15:57] <dinda> jcastro:  yes - what do you mean by 'education thing'?
[15:57] <jcastro> something education related?
[15:58] <jcastro> openweek will be more user-focused this time
[15:58] <jcastro> so maybe a session for students or something?
[15:59] <dinda> jcastro:  when is OW?
[15:59] <jcastro> week after release
[15:59] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[16:01] <jono> dpm, jcastro, kim0 logging into mumble
[16:01] <jcastro> One sec!
[16:01] <kim0> yaay
[16:01] <jcastro> mic problem!
[16:02] <jono> hmmm mumble not starting here
[16:02] <jono> ok skype it is
[16:02] <czajkowski> it's lashing so hard here, my car alarm was set off!
[16:02] <jono> jcastro, dpm, kim0 ^
[16:03] <kim0> niente problemo
[16:03] <jcastro> all set on skype
[16:03] <dpm> jono, all set on skype too
[16:03] <highvoltage> jcastro: I did it the last 2 OW's, there wasn't particularly much interest (either that or we had bad slots both times), so I'm not particularly motivated to do another one
[16:03] <czajkowski> jcastro: me/loco council could do a session on how to get involved in your Loco ?
[16:04] <jcastro> czajkowski: sure, snag em up
[16:04] <czajkowski> jcastro: or how locos can improve by doing some really simple stuff.. like team reports!
[16:04] <jcastro> highvoltage: that's a  bummer. :(
[16:05] <jono> one sec guys
[16:05] <jono> got grabbed
[16:05] <jcastro> vish: can you snag someone for a bug session?
[16:05] <jcastro> ScottL: it's been a while since someone talked about Studio, you should grab a slot!
[16:06] <jcastro> maco: kubuntu sessions welcome!
[16:07] <czajkowski> jcastro: done
[16:07] <jcastro> dpm: kim0: translations and cloud stuff wanted! (focus on beginner stuff)
[16:07] <jcastro> also, try to find new instructors
[16:07] <jcastro> people must be getting sick of us by now
[16:08] <popey> Has anyone measured the effectiveness of UOW/UDW? Do we have any goals for it?
[16:08] <jcastro> ugh, don't get all spatula on me dude
[16:08] <jcastro> (the teams who do the sessions would know I think)
[16:08] <popey> :(
[16:09] <jcastro> I was just messing with you
[16:09] <popey> :)
[16:09] <jcastro> I know the bugsquad has gotten volunteers in the past
[16:09] <jcastro> I casually measure participation
[16:09] <jcastro> it's usually 300ish people average
[16:09] <jcastro> topping out at 400ish when mark talks
[16:09] <jcastro> and can get as low as 250
[16:10] <jcastro> Not A Metric(tm)
[16:10] <Pendulum> jcastro: are you basing those off numbers of people in -classroom? and if so are you counting the people who idle in there?
[16:10] <jcastro> yeah, I basically do /names
[16:10] <popey> currently 97 people in there with nothing happening
[16:10] <jcastro> and then it tells me how many people are in there
[16:11] <popey> (some bots etc)
[16:11] <jcastro> I said Not a Metric(tm)!
[16:11] <popey> just sayin
[16:11] <Pendulum> I'd say about 100 people idling at one time is probably right
[16:11] <Pendulum> so take 100 off your numbers to get closer to exact ;-)
[16:11] <popey> NOTE: Not exact!
[16:12] <Pendulum> popey: yeah, but 100 is a lot to be off by!
[16:12] <popey> well, yes :)
[16:12] <popey> hence me asking.
[16:12] <maco> jcastro: JonTheEchidna is who you want for kubuntu debugging info
[16:12] <popey> I'm just looking at how much effort goes in, and what sausages come out.
[16:12] <maco> jcastro: or am i reading your and vish's thing wrong?
[16:13] <popey> and whether the sausages warrant the effort, and if not, what could be done to improve it
[16:13] <Pendulum> jcastro: were you guys going to set-up a survey this time around like we used for UUD?
[16:14] <maco> i cant do OW. i have 2 exams that week thanks to UDS ;-)
[16:14] <maco> (as in, would have had one, but convinced a prof to let me take early)
[16:14] <jcastro> Pendulum: we could
[16:15] <jcastro> but to be honest, UOW is more user-related
[16:15] <jcastro> so if we spend some time giving people tips on inkscape or whatever then that's fine
[16:15] <Pendulum> jcastro: I know, but I meant in terms of feedback for what people liked/didn't like
[16:15] <jcastro> do we really need to measure that?
[16:15] <jcastro> oh
[16:15] <jcastro> usually I have a feedback session at the end
[16:15] <Pendulum> (aka, what will get more people to do user week)
[16:15] <jcastro> should I do a survey instead?
[16:15] <Pendulum> I think for us a survey worked because it meant it could get done at any point
[16:16] <jcastro> true dat
[16:17] <Pendulum> also because they didn't need to ID themselves (which if you have criticism on something can be hard for some people to be IDed when giving the criticism)
[16:19] <Pendulum> (we did not, however, get responses that were overly negative, which is impressive since most people only fill our surveys when they have something to complain about)
[16:23] <jcastro> I think most people appreciate the effort given the limitedness of IRC
[16:26] <czajkowski> can I just say as ticket trackers go RT is god damn awful! #
[16:28] <cjohnston> yes
[16:28] <jcastro> ooh
[16:28] <jcastro> anyone on the beginner team?
[16:28] <jcastro> that'd be a good session
[16:30] <duanedesign> hello jcastro
[16:32] <duanedesign> jcastro: what were you thinking. An overall primer on community entry?
[16:33] <jcastro> think of it as an opportunity to get new volunteers perhaps?
[16:33] <jcastro> or what your team does
[16:33] <jcastro> how people can help
[16:33] <jcastro> etc.
[16:33] <duanedesign> yes of course, great idea.
[16:36] <duanedesign> jcastro: ill have a chat with handler ptag and cprofitt. We'll come up with a great session. :)
[16:37] <jono> cjohnston, quick q
[16:37] <jono> what was the wiki page I asked you to work on for the community info?
[16:37] <cjohnston> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityContributePages
[16:37] <cjohnston> ?
[16:39] <cjohnston> Ubuntu community rocks.. A user from belgium is visiting Florida, but his friend had to cancel at the last minute.. He jumped into the Florida channel, and is making plans with people to do stuff while he is here
[16:39] <jcastro> that is awesome
[16:39] <maco> my attempt at doing that in #ubuntu-uk a couple years ago failed
[16:40] <cjohnston> :-/
[16:41] <czajkowski> pleia2: is coming to the Irish release party
[16:41] <cjohnston> huh?!
[16:41] <cjohnston> You wanna fly me too czajkowski ?
[16:41] <popey> maco: doing what?
[16:41] <czajkowski> we've had randomers just mail us and come along to the pub and meet them
[16:41] <maco> popey: finding people to hang out with
[16:42] <popey> Hmm
[16:42] <popey> not surprised tbh
[16:42] <czajkowski> maco: just depends tbh, if there is someone free and in the area.
[16:42] <popey> We're british after all
[16:42] <czajkowski> heh
[16:42] <czajkowski> maco: see you clearly went too far had you stopped off in Ireland we'd have met you
[17:04] <akgraner> jcastro, eek!
[17:05] <akgraner> I'll work on that tomorrow - writing up a Reminder about App Dev Week right now
[17:05] <jcastro> no worries
[17:05] <jcastro> I'll have it mostly filled today hopefully
[17:05] <jcastro> see how quiet everyone is? they don't want to get voluntold. :p
[17:06] <jcastro> akgraner: I am trying to get new instructors
[17:06] <jcastro> so no, you can't sign up
[17:06] <jcastro> :p
[17:07] <akgraner> :p
[17:07] <akgraner> I wasn't going to this time - I was just going to go nudge a few people and write some blog posts about it ...:-P
[17:08] <akgraner> I love that word "Voluntold"
[17:10] <vish> oh! UOW!
[17:13] <vish> jcastro: i think i got one person willing to take a slot ! :)
[17:15] <jcastro> vish: yeah!
[17:15] <jcastro> vish: just have him grab whatever slot
[17:16]  * popey wonders if http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/track/application_developers/ is supposed to give me python errors
[17:26] <vish> popey: is GMT now at UTC+1 or is it -1 ?
[17:26] <popey> neither
[17:26] <popey> UK is on BST, not GMT
[17:27] <popey> BST is GMT+1
[17:27] <popey> and GMT roughly is the same as UTC
[17:27] <popey> so right now the UK is UTC+1
[17:27] <vish> ah!
[17:27] <vish> thx
[17:39] <paultag> DavidLevin, deja-vu :)
[17:40] <DavidLevin> paultag: and again hello
[17:58] <jcastro> paultag: user-level courses wanted! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[17:59] <paultag> jcastro, I'll see what I can do :)
[17:59] <jcastro> paultag: ask around would ya?
[17:59] <paultag> jcastro, planning on it :)
[17:59] <jcastro> I'm sure jacob could do something awesome for example
[17:59] <paultag> jcastro, Yeah, I'll also post it to the UBT, see if anyone wants to do some stuff
[18:01] <jcastro> special love for whoever does an inkscape class
[18:01] <jcastro> because that's awesome
[18:02] <Pendulum> jcastro: maybe poke doctormo about that?
[18:04] <akgraner> jcastro, +1 on an inkscape class!
[18:05] <doctormo> Pendulum: What leve lof inkscape class do you think?
[18:05] <Pendulum> jcastro: I think that question is meant for you
[18:06] <akgraner> doctormo, novice - I need to learn more stuff :-) (totally selfish request there)
[18:07] <doctormo> akgraner: How did the UDS semi-session pan out for you?
[18:08] <akgraner> good but I need some more pointers
[18:08] <akgraner> at least that was enough to get me started
[18:08] <vish> jcastro: try getting mairin to do it... ;)
[18:09] <akgraner> but in a hurry I still use GIMP more often than inkscape
[18:09] <vish> doctormo: seen mizmo's blog about those inkspace clases?
[18:09] <akgraner> and I know inkscape would be better for most of the things I am wanting to do (fliers, cards, certificates etc)
[18:09] <doctormo> akgraner: Where you at UDS?
[18:10]  * doctormo thought you were
[18:10] <akgraner> I was...:-P
[18:11] <akgraner> and I am able to do some simple stuff... but I need some refreshers and more pointers
[18:14] <vish> akgraner: this is a nice series : http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/inkscape-class-day-1/
[18:14] <jcastro> doctormo: openweek is the week after release, so I'm shooting for classes that are like "ok, I've got a shiny new OS, now what can I DO with it?"
[18:14] <vish> i havent gone through all the the
[18:14] <vish> all the days though..
[18:14] <akgraner> vish thanks!
[18:15] <vish> np..
[18:15] <akgraner> I absolutely *hated* inkscape before doctormo gave us a quick 15-20 minute tutorial at uds
[18:18] <pleia2> me too
[18:19] <AlanBell> me three (although I didn't get to the doctormo masterclass)
[18:20] <AlanBell> it just needs that little bit of hand holding to get started
[18:21] <AlanBell> although doing freehand art stuff with it is still another world to me
[18:23] <akgraner> AlanBell, I am not even ready to think about freehand art  - I do well to make a stick figure look right  O.o
[18:23] <AlanBell> I couldn't do a stick figure
[18:23] <doctormo> AlanBell: Did you go to school?
[18:24] <doctormo> AlanBell: Because most kids at school learn to draw up to the age of 8-10 and then stop because of peer and self-presure.
[18:24] <AlanBell> I was rubbish at art
[18:24] <AlanBell> I could do technical drawing, isometric 3d stuff
[18:25] <doctormo> Then mental block is easy to understand, we're not born skilled at drawing, no one is. It's persistence and an ability to be complacent about how rubbish our drawings are.
[18:25] <doctormo> Accepting and continuing to draw :-) that's the plan.
[18:33] <vish> can someone answer the question on -meeting ?
[18:33] <vish> akgraner / czajkowski / jcastro ^?
[18:33] <akgraner> vish, just did
[18:33] <vish> thx .. :)
[18:34] <paultag> heyya akgraner
[18:34] <akgraner> paultag, hey!
[18:34] <paultag> akgraner, hows life?
[18:35] <akgraner> paultag, getting better daily :-)
[18:35] <paultag> :D
[18:37] <akgraner> paultag, thanks to the talk I gave at OLF and the emails I have gotten sense I am working on a From Burnout to Balance series  - still nervous about talking about it all so publicly but it should be good
[18:38] <paultag> akgraner, if you want to use me as an example that's 100% fine, I have no problem with talking about that kind of stuff
[18:38] <paultag> akgraner, ( only if that will help )
[18:39] <akgraner> :-)
[18:39] <akgraner> The feedback has been awesome!! Thanks for helping with the talk...
[18:39] <paultag> akgraner, I did nothing! Just gave out free stuff ( what I do best, really )
[18:41] <akgraner> and took pics and gave moral support!
[18:42] <paultag> :)
[18:43] <akgraner> cough jcastro cough ... missed the talk :-P
[18:43] <jcastro> BARK BARK sorry amber BARK BARK
[18:44] <akgraner> I was just teasing you!
[18:44] <akgraner> :-P
[18:44] <akgraner> well gotta finish these posts bbiab :-)
[18:47] <sense> good evening
[18:51] <duanedesign> good evening
[18:53] <czajkowski> jono: still on for later?
[18:56] <czajkowski> dinda: is it ok to edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/UbuntuSchools  learning hub is Limerick not Dublin
[18:56] <jcastro> hi sense
[18:56] <sense> hi jcastro!
[18:56] <jcastro> hey sense, are you on the deluge app indicators?
[18:56] <jcastro> because I have karl standing by but didn't want to step on your toes
[18:57] <maco> czajkowski: is a wiki. is what its for!
[18:57] <sense> jcastro: I haven't given it much attention lately, so if Karl is ready to work on it, I have no objections. I'm right in the middle of moving to a different place and preparing a university application, so my time is limited.
[18:58] <sense> jcastro: You still have the links to the bugs and branches concering the Deluge AppInd?
[18:58] <jcastro> sec
[18:59] <czajkowski> maco: was asking in case she knew of another one other then the one in Limerick :)
[18:59] <czajkowski> maco: there is usually method to my crazyness :)
[19:10] <sense> Is Ustream down? I cannot view the page of Jono's show.
[19:15] <doctormo> Does anyone know much about qemu? I can't seem to ssh into my emulated server :-( unlike VirtualBox which can get an IP from my Eth network.
[19:22] <popey> yes
[19:22] <popey> how did you start qemu? what networking options?
[19:22] <popey> if nothing then qemu starts firewalled/natted off from your network with a 10.x.x.x address internally
[19:23] <dinda> czajkowski: yes, please feel free to edit wiki
[19:23] <popey> you have to explicitly tell it if you want to open a port to 22 on the box or if you want to make it publicly accessible on your lan dinda
[19:23] <popey> er doctormo
[19:23] <popey> sorry dinda :)
[19:24] <vish> highvoltage: could you reply to the mail on -artwork? something hinting at "yeah we are thinking about a direction, we'd let you know"  so that it is more clearer to everyone that you guys are on board ;)
[19:24] <doctormo> popey: I see, I've been reading some guides, it seems like I need to set up a tum/tap networking bridge which doesn't look like it's supported by NetworkManager
[19:24] <dinda> popey:  np
[19:24] <doctormo> Which would mean ripping out ubuntu infrastructure :-(
[19:24] <popey> doctormo: that used to be the case, but I don't think you need to do that anymore
[19:24] <doctormo> So using qemulator
[19:25] <dinda> doctormo: I have friend selling a whole set of "how to draw manga" books, like 13 or so, if you know someone who might be interested
[19:25] <doctormo> dinda: Where abouts are they based?
[19:25] <popey> is there a specific reason for choosing qemu doctormo ?
[19:25] <paultag> hey nigelb, I got some voodoo working :)
[19:25] <dinda> doctormo: seattle/portland - let me check
[19:25] <doctormo> popey: dog-fooding FOSS stuff.
[19:26] <popey> does the machine have vt extensions doctormo ?
[19:27] <dinda> doctormo: Eugene, OR
[19:30] <jcastro> <-- caffeine refill bbi 10minutes
[19:34] <highvoltage> vish: will do! I'm in the middle of a bunch of kernel updates for clients so I'll do it a bit later today, but if I forget feel free to pest :)
[19:35] <vish> sure.. ;)
[19:37] <popey> doctormo: personally I'd use virtualbox or kvm rather than qemu, both of which are FOSS
[19:37] <doctormo> popey: I think I've learned enough about qemu, I'll move back to VB
[19:37] <popey> :)
[19:44] <doctormo> dinda: Is facebook down? I'm getting a timeout
[19:46] <popey> wfm
[19:47] <dinda> doctormo: fine here too
[19:47] <dinda> maco:  question about one of your flickr photos
[19:47] <maco> dinda: aye?
[19:47] <dinda> maco:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/maco_nix/3472747840/
[19:48] <dinda> maco:  did he ever get membership?
[19:48] <maco> dinda: yes. he's now a motu and a DD
[19:48] <dinda> maco:  wow, he looks really young
[19:48] <paultag> doctormo, I'm getting a timeout too
[19:48] <doctormo> dinda: Can you screenshot and send to me?
[19:48] <maco> he just turned 17 2 months ago, so i guess he was 15 or so at the time? maybe 14?
[19:49] <maco> 2008, so 15
[19:49] <sense> He's about my age!
[19:49] <dinda> maco:  wondering if he and you would mind if we used that pic as part of some promotional material for ubuntu in education
[19:50] <vish> sense: yea.. you are young too ;)
[19:50] <maco> dinda: i dont mind
[19:50]  * dinda is trying to find good pics to show ubuntu being used in schools, by kids
[19:50] <maco> he's afk right now (probably in class) tu-motuht
[19:50] <maco> wahh
[19:51] <doctormo> dinda: Do you have any pics from the MA school?
[19:51] <maco> he's afk right now (probably in class) but you can catch him on #ubuntu-motu later tonight
[19:51] <doctormo> Mark Shuttleworth visited that school and I bet there are pics
[19:51] <dinda> doctormo: nope, would love them
[19:53] <doctormo> dinda: I don't have any, but I'm sure they exist.
[19:53] <dinda> doctormo: I saw reference to that visit in the forums but no links to photos. will ask around
[19:56] <doctormo> dinda: http://baronselva.edublogs.org/files/2007/11/img_1489.jpg
[20:02] <dinda> doctormo: thanks, contacted the blog author to see about the license
[20:06] <doctormo> popey, pleia2: I'm building a version of librsvg for servers, so it can be used with gnome, gtk deps. What should I call it and should I attempt to get it into debian somehow?
[20:06] <popey> doctormo: "NotPornViewOhNoCertainlyNot"
[20:07] <pleia2> doctormo: assuming the gtk deps are ok with debian, you should absolutely attempt to get it there too
[20:07] <doctormo> without*
[20:07] <popey> +1
[20:07] <doctormo> currently it has gnome and gtk deps, but I'm removing them.
[20:08] <pleia2> oh, gotcha
[20:08] <pleia2> maybe librsvg-nogtk ?
[20:08] <doctormo> It's only because it has a gnome theme engine and a tool in librsvg2-bin which is gtk based. There is no reason for it otherwise.
[20:08] <pleia2> like libgpod4 and libgpod4-nogtk
[20:09] <jcastro> hey popey
[20:09] <jcastro> have you checked oneconf lately?
[20:09] <popey> nope
[20:09] <popey> not tried it at all actually
[20:09] <jcastro> nor me
[20:11] <czajkowski> popey: skype or mumble
[20:11] <popey> czajkowski: need to reboot, will use skype
[20:11] <popey> brb
[20:13] <popey> bah, installing skype czajkowski
[20:14] <czajkowski> hehe
[20:14] <czajkowski> poor popey
[20:21] <maco> doctormo: mark with hair!
[20:23] <AlanBell> just a rounding error by your standards though
[20:28] <maco> hahaha
[20:31] <sense> I'm off, good night everyone! Don't go to bed too late, sleep well and don't forget to turn on your alarm clocks!
[21:46] <doctormo> I failed to extract gtk from librsvg :-( It's just too ingrained. This is my problem with the gnome project, they produce libs which are fantastically useful but with needless dependancies. installing librsvg for instance needs hicolour icons, avahi and libgtk-bin for some unknown reasons.
[21:47] <jono> czajkowski, can we do our call in 5mins or so?
[21:49] <czajkowski> sure
[21:50] <czajkowski> just buzz when ready
[21:52] <jono> czajkowski, just wrapping something
[21:54] <czajkowski> jono: no bother , you've mail to go wit it
[21:54] <jono> cheers
[22:36] <ScottL> jcastro, i would be willing to do that, i will need to coordinate the time with family though
[22:37] <ScottL> jcastro, i'll look at the schedule tonight
[22:47] <jcastro> ScottL: think of it as a recruiting opportunity. :D
[22:50] <ScottL> jcastro, :)
[22:57] <nhandler> jcastro: I would need to talk to the rest of the classroom people (we have a meeting tonight), but do you think a session about giving classroom sessions would be helpful? I haven't checked, but I don't think we have had one for a while (if at all). It would also be a chance to remind people about the tools/resources that they have available
[22:58] <jcastro> nhandler: maybe as an individual session prior to openweek?
[22:58] <jcastro> to prep people?
[22:58] <jcastro> I think that would be great
[22:59] <nhandler> jcastro: Great. And do you know who is going to be doing the daily summary blog posts? It would be great to have them posted on ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com with our other classroom stuff
[22:59] <jcastro> not sure
[22:59] <jcastro> probably me or akgraner
[23:04] <nhandler> jcastro: When you guys figure that out, poke someone in #ubuntu-classroom-backstage so we can make sure you are able to post to that blog
[23:20] <ScottL> jcastro, if you ever need to get a hold of me quicker than i responded today anyone call look for 'scott-work', atta be me :)
[23:23]  * cjohnston notes to bug scott-work
[23:24] <cjohnston> ;-)