[01:34] <ari-tczew> I was looking on the bug 1395999 and there is such requested version in Debian, ready to sync. however, it fails to build on xenial: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/234550380/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kraft_0.59-1~ppa01_BUILDING.txt.gz
[01:35] <ari-tczew> according to discuss on #ubuntu-devel, it might be related problem to outdated kde4libs
[01:36] <ari-tczew> how about your schedule to upgrade that package?
[01:36] <ari-tczew> any investigate is welcome
[01:44] <mparillo> Is there a trello card to update the flow in https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs#Kubuntu.27s_PPA_Repositories
[02:26] <claydoh> mparillo: not just the flow but the errors, such as
[02:26] <claydoh> "Wily users would be able to try out upgrading Kubuntu Wily's Plasma from 4.3.x to 4.5.0 without having to wait for Xenial's release."
[02:28] <claydoh> 4.3? oopsie
[02:45] <strav> hi
[02:45] <strav> Seems to be an issue with VLC and the latest backports update to plasma 5.5.3
[02:46] <strav> (when in fullscreen, part of the video is cropped, osd is missing and so is the mouse cursor)
[02:47] <strav> also it seems there is a conflict the libmuon and muon itself on the backports
[02:50] <strav> just installed dragonplayer through apt-get, seems the open file menu is broken...
[07:10] <soee> yofel: to solve the kate problem, you have added 15.12.1 version to landibng backports right ?
[07:10] <soee> good morning :)
[07:13] <nicols> morning!
[07:18] <soee> hiho nicols
[07:19] <valorie> hi nicols -- to answer your question about becoming a kubuntu developer: I'm glad you are thinking about it
[07:19] <valorie> step one is to seek kubuntu membership
[07:20] <valorie> that would require some months of work IMO
[07:20] <valorie> !membership
[07:20] <valorie> we've got a Kubuntu version too
[07:21] <valorie> because you can seek Kubuntu Membership, which gives you Ubuntu membership as well
[07:21] <valorie> nicols: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Membership
[07:31] <nicols> valorie: i did some readings ... but it is confusing :) .... somewhere it says i must be a kubuntu member to join launchpad teams... and in https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging that i need to join 3 launchpad teams to be of any help in kubuntu-packaging :)
[07:31] <valorie> you need to sign the code of conduct for most teams
[07:32] <valorie> only a few require membership
[07:32] <nicols> valorie: so, i guess i start with something else, before i can help with packaging? :)
[07:32] <valorie> members get PPAs for instance
[07:32] <valorie> packaging can be done by anyone
[07:32] <valorie> you just can't do the uploading
[07:32] <nicols> valorie: i have signed ubuntu code of conduct
[07:32] <valorie> great!
[07:33] <valorie> anyone can package
[07:33] <valorie> but you asked about Kubuntu Developer, which requires membership first
[07:33] <nicols> valorie: https://launchpad.net/~nbelavic ... i have set gpg and ssh keys
[07:33] <valorie> that is a lot of responsibility
[07:33] <valorie> very cool
[07:34] <nicols> yes, i see now it is not the same ... ok, i home i'll earn that mambership with time
[07:34] <nicols> home=hope
[07:34] <valorie> you will, if you keep helping us out
[07:35] <soee> nicols: when it comes to packaging best to het help from yofel, sgclark or clivejo. Also ovidiu-florin is startign with it so might be helpful
[07:35] <valorie> and as i said, anyone can package -- you just won't be able to upload the changes yourself; someone else checks it out and uploads it for you
[07:35] <nicols> backports-landing is not needed any more for 5.5.3 in wily, it is all in backports now? shall i remove landing ppa?
[07:35] <valorie> in fact, there is stuff that all of us here need help with
[07:36] <valorie> I removed it as soon as I did the upgrade
[07:36] <soee> nicols: there tasn't been announcement taht 5.5.3 is in backports
[07:36] <valorie> backports move will happen soon
[07:36] <soee> valorie: yesterday yofel put some new files ot landing  - kate
[07:37] <soee> taht fixes loading it on startup bug i think - he added 15.12.1 version
[07:37] <valorie> once yofel and scarlett determine that all the t's are crossed and i's are dotted
[07:37] <valorie> soee: I'll get it when it hits backports
[07:37] <soee> sure :)
[07:39] <nicols> i didn't have much time yesterday afternoon, but i managaed to do some reading about bazaar and stuff... i am following this guide: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ first
[07:39] <valorie> cool
[07:41] <nicols> i tried to patch qwidgets for that error in qt with vlc ... but no luck. patch that was posted on qt-project.org is for 5.6 branch
[07:42] <valorie> I think that gets fixed with the debian merges, but there was some difficulty with it
[07:42] <valorie> you'll have to wait for yofel about that
[07:43] <nicols> soee: yes, i can confirm that kate is ok now, i tested it yesterday
[07:43] <valorie> because I don't think we package vlc
[07:43] <valorie> or qt (except in a ppa)
[07:44] <nicols> bug is in qtbase: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/139066/1
[07:44] <valorie> yeah, I saw that in #kde-devel
[07:45] <nicols> i found one page that is sooooo outdated: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Meeting ... :)
[07:46] <nicols> probably not important for wider audienece :)
[07:51] <soee> yofel: [08:40] <dunasdan> I have kubuntu-ppa/backports in my wily. I updated today. plasma 5.5.3 was in it. Afterwards sddm only showed a blank screen. In the logs was "sdd-helper exited with 6" and there was a message about Qt Platform not finding xcb in the log. But sadly I no longer have the log, (Since i did a ppa-purge and reboot afterwards)
[07:52] <soee> [08:50] <dunasdan> But my /usr/share/sddm/scripts/Xsession prompted a diff. I don't think i have cahnged it manually by myself but I have zsh installed. The following was the diff
[07:52] <soee> [08:51] <dunasdan> http://pastebin.com/qW0R6EME
[07:57] <nicols> soee: i remember i had a diff when i installed 5.5.3 from landing ... let me search for it....
[07:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:59] <nicols> soee: here it is http://pastebin.com/gAUiwRfL ... i have accepted new version, everything was ok after that
[07:59] <valorie> nicols: it's a wiki
[07:59] <valorie> fix it
[08:13] <nicols> valorie: i can do that, but i cannot find when is the next meeting?  i found this: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars .... but i don't know is it a good place to look at? :)
[08:19] <valorie> nicols: IMO too early to schedule a meeting
[08:19] <valorie> but when you want one, you schedule one
[08:20] <valorie> and usually we do them here in the chan
[08:23] <bdcomp> Hi! I just updated my Kubuntu 15.10 64bit via the Kubuntu Backports PPA to 5.5.3 (old xsessions file choosen) and now after restart, the screen is full with horisontal lines. Everything seems to work expect the graphic artifact. Should I open a bug? Where?
[08:23] <valorie> you might try dpkg configure -a
[08:23] <valorie> and next time, choose the new file
[08:26] <soee> bdcomp: what if you remove caches: rm -rf ~/.cache
[08:27] <bdcomp> I am not sure how to execute anything, as I am just guissing what is going on the screen... I can hit Alt+F2? Now I am working from some live-cd...
[08:29] <soee> yofel: [09:27] <Smurphy> soee: http://pastebin.com/DRNLMqSf that ...
[08:33] <valorie> bdcomp: please let's take this to #kubuntu, where support happens
[08:34] <bdcomp> valorie: As this happened after an update, I though it's related here
[08:36] <nicols> valorie: shall i write something like "there is no meeting planned at the moment" and blank the "agenda" section?
[08:38] <valorie> nicols: more like "Fill in when scheduling a meeting"
[08:39] <valorie> that page gets reused, over and over
[08:39] <valorie> look in the history to see the past
[08:41] <bdcomp> valorie: soee: I am now rebooting to try the suggestions. Thanks!
[08:41] <valorie> great!
[08:55] <nicols> valorie: is it ok now: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Meeting ? :) ... i also repaired link for fridge calendars, it was broken
[08:57] <valorie> nicols: something seems missing, I'll think for awhile about it
[08:57] <valorie> thanks for your work
[08:57] <valorie> I see that Claus put himself on the list but never called a meeting
[08:58] <valorie> Santa called a meeting but didn't put himself on the page
[08:58] <valorie> and we never had it
[08:58] <valorie> sheesh
[08:58] <nicols> great :)
[08:59] <nicols> i didn't remove Claus, i think hi is not a member, so his candidature is still valid? :)
[08:59] <nicols> hi=he
[09:00] <valorie> yes
[09:00] <valorie> we never had a meeting to vote on his membership
[09:02] <valorie> when you think you have had a "significant and sustained contribution to Kubuntu and the Kubuntu community" please write to the list with a Doodle poll
[09:02] <valorie> and once a date is decided on, write again with the link to the filled-in page
[09:02] <valorie> and a link to your wiki page
[09:02] <valorie> etc.
[09:08] <kais3n> Hello, what is the best way to report bugs from 16.04 kubuntu testing?
[09:08] <Yossarianuk> cheers for 5.5 backports!
[09:09] <soee> kais3n: what kind of bug ?
[09:09] <soee> Yossarianuk: works fine ?
[09:13] <valorie> kais3n: `ubuntu-bug packagename`
[09:13] <valorie> in the cli
[09:14] <yofel> soee: yes, kate 15.12.1 got backported for that
[09:14] <yofel> soee: that sddm bug report doesn't tell much :/
[09:14] <yofel> soee: the last paste would probably be fixed with a qtcurve rebuild..
[09:14] <kais3n> For example : I upgrade from 15.10 to 16.04 and now my keyboard layout didn't fit on logon screen.
[09:16] <yofel> nicols: you don't need to be a kubuntu member for packaging, it's just that membership gives you access to most things.
[09:16] <kais3n> Other example: The login process takes quite a while ~20-30sec without any progress. Seems it wait for something and get a timeout.
[09:16] <yofel> nicols: at the beginning, just send patches for stuff or push your git changes somewhere else that we can pull them from.
[09:17] <yofel> nicols: We can then add you to individual teams after a short while
[09:18] <vip> moin
[09:19] <soee> kais3n: we had bug with long longing time but i thought it has been fixed
[09:19] <soee> but when plasma loads first time after upgrade it might take some time
[09:20] <Yossarianuk> soee: not tried yet - going to soon though - I hear deleting plasma cache is something you should do...
[09:21] <yofel> there are plenty of potential causes for long login time. So unless you find out what causes a timeout we can't do much :/
[09:21] <kais3n> I just need a hint where to start search.
[09:22] <soee> check id syou have some processes that blocks it (are loade don startup)
[09:22] <valorie> !info bootchart
[09:23] <soee> do you start fresh session each time or restore previous one ?
[09:23] <valorie> pfff
[09:46] <yofel> hm, libqt5gui5 recommends libqt5xcbqpa5
[09:48] <yofel> meh, I guess a hard dep on that is in order...
[09:51] <valorie> good lord what a packagename
[09:53] <soee> still not my fav :D
[09:55] <soee> my nr one: libkf5activitiesexperimentalstats1 :D
[09:59] <valorie> sitter must have named that one
[09:59] <valorie> lol
[10:12] <soee> yofel: no announcement on website (5.5.3 Wily)?
[10:14] <valorie> anybody have some text ready?
[10:15] <yofel> It would be a slightly modifed version of the previous post. I can do that in a bit
[10:15] <valorie> awesome
[10:15]  * valorie toddles off to bed
[10:16] <valorie> thank you so much for all your work, yofel and scarlett and all the packagers!
[10:25] <mikkle> sweet, it works
[10:25] <mikkle> looks really nice....icon changes, theme changes, font changes
[10:25] <mikkle> decoration looks different too
[10:26] <mikkle> oh wait, I'm getting horizontal bars on my task manager items
[10:27] <Odur> mikkle: I cleared .cache and .kde and all those artifacts disappeard. Maybe just .kde will do
[10:28] <mikkle> Odur, do you mean you deleted ~/.kde?
[10:28] <Odur> mikkle: Yes. Maybe you should just move it. "mv .kde .kde.bak" just in case
[10:29] <mikkle> oddly it only happens with breeze and not breeze dakr
[10:30] <Odur> Not sure which of ~/.cache and ~/.kde that did the trick, I did both at once :)
[10:30] <Odur> mikkle: You probably hadn't used Breeze dark before?
[10:30] <mikkle> I'll try .cache first
[10:30] <mikkle> No, I had
[10:30] <mikkle> I jsut changed back to Breeze actually
[10:31] <mikkle> I had...
[10:31] <Odur> Oh, then I have no idea
[10:31] <mikkle> I'll try .cache...you can do this logged in?
[10:31] <Odur> you have to log out and in again
[10:31] <mikkle> right, but you can be logged in, delete it, log out and back in?
[10:32] <Odur> Not sure. I did it logged out
[10:32] <mikkle> maybe i'll kquitpapp plasmashell
[10:32] <mikkle> ah, ok
[10:32] <mikkle> let me try that
[10:32] <mikkle> cheers
[10:33] <mparillo> clivejo: Fixed. My guess: Somebody changed Vivid to Wily without looking at the Plasma versions. Now about the graphic in https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs#Kubuntu.27s_PPA_Repositories Do we want minor changes, or do we want to replace it with https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1SoO83PepBkU_kkbLL2eIeVDYYDzv6OEA1npVoCp7wHo/edit?pref=2&pli=1
[10:34] <clivejo> mparillo: fixed what?
[10:35] <mparillo> Whoops bad autocomplete: [05:16] <claydoh> mparillo: not just the flow but the errors, such as
[10:35] <clivejo> ah
[10:36] <clivejo> thought I was missing something in my playback!
[10:36] <mparillo> But to better answer your question: [05:16] <claydoh> "Wily users would be able to try out upgrading Kubuntu Wily's Plasma from 4.3.x to 4.5.0 without having to wait for Xenial's release."
[10:37] <clivejo> workflow is to release to xenial first, then backport to wily
[10:37] <yofel> mparillo: the graphic should *just* show the ppa flow as it does right now - just the correct one
[10:38] <yofel> but no need for casual uses to know about CI and whatever
[10:38] <yofel> as that's not the point of the page
[10:39] <yofel> well, if you want to have "release to xenial" in the graph, you could make a "development archive" node or so
[10:46] <mikkle> ok, so clearing .cache worked :)
[11:20] <soee> meh, yofel you might want to mention in teh announcement that users hsoudl flush .cache after upgrade to 5.5.3
[11:22] <yofel> true, did someone file an upstream bug about that?
[11:22] <yofel> maybe there should be a kconf-update script or so that removes all *relevant* caches after a major update
[11:28] <clivejo> what should be flushed?
[11:33] <yossarianuk> update to plasma 5.5.x via backports seems ok
[11:34] <yossarianuk> I lost the ability to resize widgets until I  - rm -rf ~/.kde ~/.conf ~/.cache ,etc
[11:34] <fryfury> hi. How remove ppa backports landing and switch to backports?
[11:34] <clivejo> yofel: have you decided what to do regarding apps 15.12.0?  seems a lot of other distro are holding back the PIM packages and releasing the rest?
[11:35] <yossarianuk> also all fonts have changed to 'Noto Sans' etc is that normal ?
[11:35] <soee> fryfury: sudo apt-add-repository --remove ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[11:35] <soee> yossarianuk: yes
[11:35] <fryfury> thx, simple :D
[11:37] <yofel> clivejo: no. I'm thinking of doing the abi manager stuff anyway so we get somewhat reasonable upgrades. But I'll think more about it once I actually get to pim
[11:38] <clivejo> feeling a bit useless at the moment, let me know if there is anything I can help with, within my "skill set"
[11:40] <yofel> hm, you could try to do a merge of something small. Just do a "git merge origin/master" in the xenial branch, resolve conflicts, add "Merge with debian git master" to changelog, change version to 15.12.1 and push
[11:40] <yofel> I can then review that and tell you what you did wrong
[11:40] <clivejo> yofel: oh you have staged 15.12.1
[11:40] <yofel> or just push to a branch on LP
[11:40] <yofel> I didn't "stage" it, I'm just doing everything by hand
[11:41] <yofel> we need to touch every single package for the merges anyway
[11:41] <clivejo> ah
[11:41] <clivejo> was wondering how its in alphabetical order almost
[11:42] <yofel> it's the order that's on the trello card
[11:42] <yofel> except if I had to touch a package anyway to fix something right now
[11:45] <clivejo> so you are merging, fixing and uploading all manually?
[11:46] <yofel> yes
[11:46] <yofel> it's not like you can automate the merging. Lost of packages with conflicts and you need to review all merges
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:17] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hi soee
[12:28] <soee> !package fcitx
[13:01] <yossarianuk> 5.5.x seems snappier! Cheers people !
[13:02] <fryfury> cool :D
[13:42] <BluesKaj> !enter
[13:42] <BluesKaj> !return
[13:42] <BluesKaj> hmm
[13:45] <yofel> mitya57: not sure if you got my question a couple days ago, but do you know if there's a good way to set qml deps for a package? To prevent stuff like http://i.imgur.com/NkSXcyt.png
[13:46] <mitya57> I didn't get your question, sorry
[13:47] <mitya57> And I don't know any way, but since our package names are based on import names, it's possible to write a script that scans all imports and generates the dependencies accordingly.
[13:47] <yofel> that's not on your todo list by any chance? ;)
[13:48] <yofel> but thanks anyway. The package names are easy to find indeed
[13:51] <mitya57> yofel, that's not in my list yet, can you file a bug against pkg-kde-tools (x-debbugs-ccing me)?
[13:52] <yofel> mitya57: will do
[14:01] <kfunk> [kdevelop(21474)/(default) unknown(0): couldn't create slave: "Unable to create io-slave:\nklauncher said: Error loading '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/file.so'.\n"
[14:01] <kfunk> are there known issues with KIO plugins in Kubuntu backports PPA?
[14:02] <kfunk> oh, wait, nvm.
[14:35] <kfunk> hm, I have a messed up Breeze desktop theme. aka the task list & panel have a super weird look (dark bg, colorful theme for non-minimized apps)
[14:35] <kfunk> (Plasma 5.5.3 on Kubuntu backports PPA)
[14:35] <soee> maybe you are using dark theme :D
[14:37] <soee> yofel: can it be result of sddm problems or new plasma http://pasteboard.co/UtIIj1U.jpg ?
[14:39] <yofel> my first guess when seeing that would be a driver bug, but could be that some new feature is triggering it or so
[14:39] <yofel> and martin isn't around :/
[14:44] <kfunk> soee: nope, I don't. trust me, I just cycled through every possible theme I can select. standard breeze theme is "broken", for whatever reason.
[14:44] <kfunk> but I also do have other weird rendering artifacts atm. not sure what's going on
[14:44] <kfunk> krunner widget showing me random colors in its background, for instance
[14:45] <soee> cache issue ?
[14:51] <imincik> Hi Kubuntu devs, what versions of KDE Plasma, Frameworks and Apps we can expect in final 16.04 release ?
[14:53] <soee> imincik: hi, probably Plasma 5.6 (if we can make it there before freeze), Frameworks - hard to say 5.19 or 5.20, apps 15.12.x probably (i'm not usre when 16.04 are released)
[14:54] <imincik> soee: thank you very much for this information and also for your work
[14:55] <BluesKaj> April 21st official release date for 16.04
[14:55] <soee> do not thank me :) i'm jus annoying tester :D
[14:55] <soee> BluesKaj: but Applications 16.04
[14:56] <soee> any idea when they should be released ?
[14:56] <BluesKaj> soee, it's still work :-)
[14:57] <soee> proposed: Wednesday, April 20, 2016: KDE Applications 16.04 Release
[14:57] <soee> https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Applications/16.04_Release_Schedule
[14:57] <BluesKaj> soee, I'm not privy to that info :-)
[14:58] <soee> so no chance to get it into 16.04 by default
[14:58] <soee> probably later through backports
[14:58] <BluesKaj> see? seeks and ye shall find :-)
[14:59] <BluesKaj> seek even
[15:01] <imincik> thanks all
[17:12] <elvisangelaccio> hi guys, please have a look at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358215
[17:12] <elvisangelaccio> kxmlgui 5.18 breaks ark < 15.12 (and also kate)
[17:13] <elvisangelaccio> (actually, kxmlgui 5.17 does)
[17:24] <soee> yofel: ^
[17:24] <soee> is it the same issue kate had ?
[17:24] <yofel> it very much sounds like it
[17:25] <elvisangelaccio> yeah should be the very same
[17:26] <yofel> backporting ark shouldn't be a problem, but I wonder what else is affected :/
[17:26] <yofel> might as well be all rdeps of xmlgui -.-
[17:27] <elvisangelaccio> for the record, this is the fix in ark 15.12: https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=ark.git&a=commit&h=f7312a26d31cdc31776a09df600327ca86d3daea
[17:27] <soee> yofel: can we just partialy release some 15.12 apps ?
[17:27] <yofel> Guessed as much, I remember the discussion about exit on quit
[17:28] <yofel> soee: that's what I already did, might as well do ark as well
[17:28] <soee> yofel: +1
[17:28] <yofel> probably everything not kdepim related is safe
[17:28] <yofel> I'll look at this later
[17:28] <soee> yofel: the kdepim is upstream issue ?
[17:29] <yofel> soee: kdepim is them breaking ABI, so we cannot *partially* update anything from that
[17:29] <yofel> has to be all of kdepim, or nothing
[17:29] <soee> :/
[17:33] <yofel> bbl
[18:40] <soee> yofel: still no announcement on kubuntu.org :D
[18:41] <soee> lets do it!
[20:10] <clivejo> anyone know why my KDE Bouncer appears to have died?
[20:13] <yofel> clivejo: considering that two more people mentioned that in #kde-sysadmin without anyone answering, no
[20:15] <clivejo> not just me then


[05:43] <magespawn> morning. whats up peeps?
[05:44] <superfly> hi magespawn
[05:46] <magespawn> hey.
[05:48] <magespawn> i think you mentioned the name of a hosting company that you use, who was it?
[05:51] <superfly> magespawn: I use DataPoint, because I know the guy personally. He used to be fairly active in Ubuntu-ZA and GLUG
[06:00] <magespawn> ty. i am checking out various hosting solutions.
[06:08] <superfly> morning oom Kilos!
[06:08] <Kilos> morning superfly
[06:08] <Kilos> and others
[06:08] <Kilos> you too fast hey?
[06:08] <nuvolari> mornings everyone
[06:09] <Kilos> nuvolari, dag se seun
[06:09] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit oom?
[06:09] <Kilos> goed dankie seun en self
[06:09] <nuvolari> kan nie kla nie dankie oom
[06:22] <magespawn> morning all.
[06:24] <maiatoday> hey magespawn
[06:24] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday magespawn
[06:25] <Kilos> lo Squirm2
[06:25] <Kilos> your brother here
[06:25] <Kilos> hehe
[06:38] <Squirm2> hi
[07:26] <magespawn> maiatoday: that problem i ha with libre office only seems to happen when i am online.
[07:26] <superfly> morning maiatoday and Squirm
[07:39] <maiatoday> hi superfly
[07:45] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in pretoria south africa
[07:45] <Maaz> Kilos: That didn't seem to agree with me
[07:51] <Kilos> is launchpad one of the compromised sites?
[07:58] <superfly> Kilos: no, the weather site's format changed, I think
[07:58] <Kilos> oh ya but i mean must i go to launchpad and change my password?
[07:59] <superfly> Kilos: no
[07:59] <magespawn> later all.
[07:59] <Kilos> yay ty superfly
[08:00] <Kilos> cocooncrash, if you get a chance can you please tell maaz where to find the changed weather sites
[08:00] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn
[08:00] <nlsthzn> alo
[08:02] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Eh?
[08:02] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in pretoria south africa
[08:02] <Maaz> Kilos: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[08:03] <Kilos> he has lost something
[08:03] <cocooncrash> Kilos: What do you mean by "find the changed weather sites"?
[08:04] <Kilos> oh the fly says he thinks the format has changed
[08:04] <Kilos> i thought the had different sites
[08:04] <Kilos> sorry
[08:04] <cocooncrash> Kilos: The plugin needs to be fixed
[08:05] <Kilos> oh, a maaz plugin?
[08:05] <cocooncrash> Well, Ibid.
[08:06] <Kilos> geekchick sees pretoria weather so maybe one of them has done it already for her
[08:06] <cocooncrash> Kilos: geekcheck isn't an Ibid
[08:06] <Kilos> oh ok
[08:06] <cocooncrash> *chick
[08:32] <scar[w]> more more
[08:38] <Kilos> hi scar[w]
[08:39] <Vhata> scar[w]: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey   :)
[08:39] <Vhata> sjoe, that's not a well-written piece of documentation
[08:42] <Kilos> fairly easy in ubuntu
[08:42] <scar[w]> thanks Vhata
[08:43] <Vhata> Kilos: I know it's easy, it's just that that help page doesn't explain things very well
[08:43] <Kilos> ah
[08:50] <Kilos> what do you call those little goodies we use the compose key for , such as ô
[08:51] <Kilos> im not sure what those characters are called
[08:51] <Kilos> i am blogging how to get a compose key in ubuntu
[08:52] <Kilos> for new ubuntu users of course
[08:53] <Kilos> i can even leave the explanation with maaz as well
[08:53]  * nlsthzn doesn't know the little goodies
[08:53] <Kilos> lol
[08:54] <Kilos> superfly, what is the character called above the o in ô
[08:54] <Kilos> all of them actually
[08:54] <Kilos> not each individual one
[08:55] <superfly> Kilos: I don't know
[08:57] <Kilos> oh mywhew
[08:57] <Kilos> come on Vhata what are they collectively called
[08:58] <Vhata> accents?
[08:59] <Kilos> i have completely lost the correct word
[08:59] <nlsthzn> thingamabobs
[08:59] <Kilos> like the degrees sign
[08:59] <nlsthzn> watchamacallits
[09:00] <Kilos> °
[09:00] <Kilos> they must have a name
[09:00] <Kilos> if i blog it wrong then every one knows im stupid
[09:00] <Vhata> they're called accents
[09:00] <Kilos> they dont just think so
[09:00] <Kilos> ok ty Vhata
[09:01] <Vhata> or 'diacritic' :)
[09:01] <Vhata> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic
[09:01] <Vhata> and there's a nice list of all of them
[09:02] <Kilos> great. ty
[09:05] <Kilos> is this ok guys
[09:05] <Kilos> Maaz, compose key
[09:05] <Maaz> You go system/keyboard/layouts/options/ then on compose key tick the tiny triangle and choose which key you would like to use as your compose key. To use the compose key you tap the chosen compose key and then shift and the diacritic you want, then type the character and it will appear inline. more info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic
[09:05] <Kilos> hi sumona
[09:06] <andrewlsd> Hello Kilos
[09:08] <Kilos> hello andrewlsd
[09:09] <Kilos> do we know you?
[09:22] <andrewlsd> indeed. aka zerlgi
[09:31]  * andrewlsd makes some noise
[09:36] <superfly> ohi andrewlsd and morgs
[09:36] <andrewlsd> ola superfly
[09:36] <maiatoday> andrewlsd: you involved with software freedom day at vodacom?
[09:36] <andrewlsd> superfly. Nice review on your blog
[09:37] <andrewlsd> am attending
[09:37] <andrewlsd> haven't been involved in planning this time.
[09:37] <andrewlsd> but our peeps are
[09:37] <andrewlsd> we just got swag from Canonical
[09:37] <andrewlsd> stefanlsd is a good person to contact
[09:37] <andrewlsd> ... or you can phone the office.
[09:38] <andrewlsd> are you coming up this way?
[09:38] <andrewlsd> or are you doing something CapeTown/'Bosch side?
[09:38] <maiatoday> oh cool, I wanted to say good job on getting it all going and also wanted to point whoever is making the posters to the place on the canonical where you can get the official logo
[09:38] <morgs> hi superfly and everyone
[09:38] <maiatoday> the sulug people are doing something in Stellenbosch
[09:38] <maiatoday> I have their info but must still post the final details
[09:38] <andrewlsd> maiatoday. if you send me the link I'll pass it on
[09:39] <superfly> andrewlsd: thanks
[09:39] <maiatoday> ok http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/
[09:40] <maiatoday> I also posted on the mailing list but I suspect people don't always read those mails when they get in
[09:41] <andrewlsd> tx maiatoday.
[09:42] <andrewlsd> superfly:  I think I saw the link c/o twitter RT.
[09:43] <superfly> andrewlsd: I tweeted about it
[13:41] <Kilos> Maaz, kilos.blog
[13:41] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/
[16:08] <Kilos> drussel=deegee
[16:09] <Kilos> here i thought he was a stranger
[16:24] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[16:24] <nlsthzn> Hey uncle Kilos :)
[16:42] <superfly> evening nlsthzn
[16:42] <nlsthzn> Hey superfly :)
[16:43] <nlsthzn> superfly, I was wondering, ubuntu-za.org planet feed... will it now also show up on loco.ubuntu.com's main page when a new post is made?
[16:44] <superfly> nlsthzn: i don't know
[16:48] <nlsthzn> No prob... just saw that they are trying to increase the profile of loco.ubuntu.com by adding this feature... only problem is half the posts coming through are not in english :)
[17:29] <magespawn> howdy all.
[17:31] <nlsthzn> hey magespawn ...
[17:31] <nlsthzn> And good night to all
[17:32] <Kilos> night nlsthzn
[17:32] <Kilos> you going to bed now?
[17:32] <magespawn> night nlsthzn
[17:32] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[17:33] <magespawn> hey kilos
[17:34] <nlsthzn> 12 hours of fun in the sun is too much...
[17:34] <Kilos> lol
[17:36] <Kilos> do any of you guys read full circle magazine
[17:37] <Kilos> looks like they might get windows peeps interested in ubuntu if windows peeps read it
[17:38] <Kilos> here comes some spam
[17:38] <Kilos> Reader Duane Donovan has given me the idea of running a column/series which would be just for Windows users, or for those brand new to Ubuntu. It would take parts of Windows and explain it's *buntu equivalent. I'm going to try and show how things are done using Unity, Gnome, KDE, XFCE and LXDE for each item.
[17:39] <Kilos> oh not too bad
[17:40] <Kilos> i have no idea who their readers are or how many there are, but i get a monthly ,ail from then
[17:40] <Kilos> ,ail/mail
[17:41] <nlsthzn> I like full circle...
[17:42] <nlsthzn> Even got an article published with them once
[17:42] <nlsthzn> ... but I reaaaaly need to go now
[17:42] <nlsthzn> :p
[17:42] <Kilos> have you got suggestions on what to add to his list nl
[17:42] <Kilos> eish
[17:42] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> hi |3o|3
[17:48] <magespawn> i read full circle esp the long running article on python.
[17:48] <Kilos> ah
[17:48] <Kilos> dont you get their mail on next issues
[17:50] <Kilos> are they mainly read by linux OS users or do you think he will get to windows peeps too
[17:51]  * Kilos wonders how kbmonkey is doing
[17:54] <magespawn> no i just usually download the mag
[17:54] <magespawn> no idea but if you put it in your email signature or on twitter it might help
[17:58] <Kilos> i only have their mail address
[17:59] <magespawn> www.fullcirclemagazine.org
[18:00] <Kilos> i dont think i have a signature either. chatted the fly about that a while ago and decided it gonna just waste data
[18:00] <Kilos> i think only 7 peeps see my tweets
[18:32] <magespawn> hey not me cell c.
[18:42] <benste> hi - vodacom k3770 3g modem with network manager
[18:43] <benste> i've tried different things with udev and this usbmodus change
[18:43] <benste> but i'm still stuck with a green blinking light and the "CD drive"
[18:43] <benste> anyone who could help me sorting this out ?
[18:44] <benste> having 3 of these modems it becomes quite important to use it
[18:47] <magespawn> did you set up your connection in network manager
[18:51] <benste> well the modem is not yet detected
[18:51] <benste> magespawn: didn't see your reply first :)
[18:51] <benste> Hi
[18:52] <magespawn> hi
[18:52] <magespawn> no worries
[18:53] <magespawn> mine was not either but after i set it up in the manager it connected
[18:53] <benste> problem is that the device is still detecete as USB cdrom drive
[18:54] <benste> -- i can't set up a WWAN connection if no modem is found !
[18:55] <magespawn> i set mine up in the network manager told it to connect automatically and of i went
[18:56] <magespawn> set just the mobile network connection up
[18:56] <superfly> benste: install usb-modeswitch
[18:56] <magespawn> superfly! i forgot i even had that.
[18:57] <superfly> benste: you can download the packages on a PC with a connection, and then copy them across and install them
[18:57] <benste> superfly: i do have my phone with a 3g modem as well :)
[18:57] <benste> will try to do so
[18:58] <benste> usb-modeswitch is already the newest version.
[18:58] <benste> and the settings for this are already in place as well
[18:58] <benste> i remeember putting things at three positions
[18:58] <benste> like
[18:58] <benste> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/342803-k3770-Modem-on-Natty-How?s=1a15d8c7fdd79f275c8087aa0bd3a80f&p=6413377&viewfull=1#post6413377
[18:59] <magespawn> i have to restart the machine with the modem already plugged in, not sure why.
[19:00] <superfly> benste: I presume you rebooted inbetween?
[19:00] <benste> mutliple times :)
[19:00] <benste> plugging it in before and after rebooting - nearly everything tested now
[19:02] <magespawn> which modem is it?
[19:03] <magespawn> i am using the K3565
[19:03] <benste> k3770
[19:03] <benste> guess it's vodacoms latest
[19:04] <benste> already well dicussed on the inet
[19:04] <queery> i also have problems with a vodacom stic
[19:04] <queery> could not get it to work
[19:04] <queery> even with the tool on sent out on the mailing list
[19:05] <queery> not sure what it is whough
[19:05] <magespawn> there was something i found on mine that talked about changing things like the access name etc
[19:05] <queery> though*
[19:07] <Kilos> maybe ozerocdoff
[19:07] <Kilos> cant remember why i needed that
[19:07] <Kilos> and modemmanager
[19:08] <Kilos> and ppp andpppconfig
[19:08] <benste> well anyway - guees i'll use my modem for the moment
[19:08] <Kilos> hi benste
[19:08] <benste> -- my modem is not even dicsovered - connection is a whole different story
[19:08] <Kilos> frustrating hey
[19:09] <Kilos> have you tried it in another usb port
[19:09] <Kilos> you using lappy or desktop
[19:12] <Kilos> benste see if you have ozerocdoff
[19:12] <Kilos>  This is the improved Option software for temporarily disabling
[19:12] <Kilos>  ZeroCD and allowing the modem to be a modem.