[12:14] <fignew> ok
[12:14] <php-freak_> fignew: now what should we do?
[12:14] <delphine> hello :)
[12:14] <fignew> try cat /dev/zero > /dev/dsp
[12:14] <fignew> notice the zero
[12:15] <fignew> should be alittle bit louder
[12:15] <php-freak_> yes did it
[12:15] <php-freak_> don't hear anything
[12:15] <fignew> the problem is I'm doing the /dev/random and dev/zero and I can barely hear them on my headphones
[12:15] <bgsteffens> How do i restart KDE please?
[12:15] <graft> are your speakers on, php-freak?
[12:15] <fignew> and these are really good headphones
[12:16] <php-freak_> fignew: well i don't hear anything i put my ear up to the speaker
[12:16] <graft> bgsteffens: ctrl-alt-backspace is the cheap way to do it, or else you can do it from the kmenu (logout)
[12:16] <graft> bgsteffens: or you can do sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[12:16] <bgsteffens> ok ty :)
[12:17] <fignew> LOL!
[12:17] <fignew> my laptop has the same soundcard
[12:17] <Weam> Hi everyone, i installed kubuntu 6.06 some day ago, all went fine. Tho im getting problems with GRUB, it hangs at Loading Stage 1.5 / Hard Disk Error, and i've found out it has something to do with my S-ATA disk.. i googled some and found out i need to update my BIOS to make it work, tho i already had the latest so thats screwed.
[12:17] <Weam> A guy help me install LILO instead of GRUB but i got some Fatal error cuz of raid (?) tho im not using any raid, but i guess my S-ATA controller identifys it as a raiddisk. Is there any way of making it work? Any known solutions?
[12:17] <Weam> Here is a guy with the same problem, also the same motherboard as me: http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-grub%40gnu.org/msg10559.html
[12:17] <php-freak_> fignew? are you serious
[12:17] <Weam> apart from him tho i only got one s-ata disk and uses the whole thing for linux so no dualboot etc
[12:18] <php-freak_> fignew: is your working?
[12:18] <fignew> yes, and, my speakers don't work either... HOWEVER, when you plug in headphones, they work
[12:18] <php-freak_> hmm
[12:18] <php-freak_> lol what should we do I have a gateway laptop
[12:18] <fignew> Mine is a sharp :P
[12:18] <fignew> I like it, (laptop doesn't make sound in class!)
[12:19] <fignew> Weam: Try disabling the RAID in the BIOS
[12:20] <fignew> there should be an option to disable the RAID firmware
[12:20] <fignew> php-freak_: have you tested the headphones?
[12:20] <php-freak_> i don't have none
[12:20] <fignew> !!!
[12:20] <Weam> fignew aight, ill try that
[12:21] <php-freak_> fignew: what about that device i disabled?
[12:21] <verzonnen> mewshi: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Samba_Server
[12:21] <php-freak_> or that said it was busy?
[12:21] <fignew> artsd is the KDE sound system
[12:21] <fignew> sometimes it gets in the way
[12:21] <php-freak_> i see
[12:21] <fignew> but it'll start right back up
[12:21] <php-freak_> hmm see how i can get this working
[12:21] <graft> artsd should never be used
[12:21] <fignew> graft: why?
[12:22] <fignew> it's normally enabled by default
[12:22] <lupine_85> artsd isn't much use
[12:22] <graft> because the sound quality is bad, it has high CPU usage, everything that uses it can talk to ALSA directly, etc.
[12:22] <fignew> I don't mind it
[12:22] <graft> and everyone should have ALSA dmix plugins these days, so you don't even need it for software mixin
[12:22] <mewshi> sudo smbpasswd -a system_username <- do i type this in exactly?
[12:22] <php-freak_> boom
[12:23] <php-freak_> its fucking working
[12:23] <php-freak_> headphones, and speakers
[12:23] <fignew> now?
[12:23] <php-freak_> yes
[12:23] <BluesKaj> !language
[12:23] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:23] <fignew> :P
[12:23] <fignew> that's funny
[12:23] <verzonnen> mewshi: I guess you nneed ti change the system_username
[12:23] <php-freak_> disable the external amp
[12:23] <fignew> under alsamix?
[12:23] <php-freak_> no
[12:23] <php-freak_> kmix
[12:24] <fignew> :P
[12:24] <php-freak_> working?
[12:24] <fignew> that's why you sould always fiddle with the settings :P
[12:24] <fignew> I'll try that on my laptop
[12:25] <Weam> fignew; I can't do any settings in VIA SATA IDE RAID-menu (controller-device) and the only option I got in bios is to have it enabled or disabled
[12:25] <fignew> aww, I dont have that option
[12:25] <Weam> and ofc if i disable S-ATA controller my disk wont work
[12:25] <fignew> you've tried to disable it?
[12:25] <Weam> ye, just did to be on the safe side
[12:25] <php-freak_> fignew: you talking to me
[12:26] <fignew> could it be that the drives are plugged into the RAID SATA plugs on the motherboard?
[12:26] <fignew> php-freak_: no, weam
[12:26] <kkathman> php-freak_:  many of the things about which you have inquired, are in settings or discussed in the wiki.  Also several ubuntu/kubuntu forums exist on line for your utilization. Those might be good sources to go to before asking in the channel :)
[12:26] <gemidjy> how to downgrade libhal1 libhal-storage1 automaticly?
[12:26] <fignew> kkathman: seemed like a good question to me...?
[12:27] <Weam> hm, nah i mean. i followed the motherboard manual about setting up a S-ATA disk and its in the only plug i can plug it in (yeye good english), anyway at the motherboard its plugged in at SATA 1
[12:27] <fignew> what type of mobo?
[12:28] <Weam> http://www.epox.nl/products/view.php?product_id=345
[12:28] <marshcast> hey guys... I'm having problems with this new 'autoremove' function in apt-get
[12:29] <marshcast> can anyone help me? as I understand it it should remove all dependencies that aren't used.
[12:29] <fignew> not automatically
[12:29] <kkathman> hehe
[12:29] <fignew> hmm Weam...
[12:30] <fignew> marshcast: it just tells you if they exist
[12:30] <kkathman> not much is automatic - however, aptitude tries to remove package-specific dependencies
[12:30] <fignew> when you run an apt-get command
[12:30] <Weam> the problem i got is pretty rare as i understand, fdoving tried to help me, tried installing LILO and a bunch of other things. didnt work tho :<
[12:31] <marshcast> KDE loads up loads of things I dont want - lets start, for instance , with bluetooth. I dont want any bluetooth, but how do I remove all those bluetooth libraries etc? do I have to go through it all by hand  to remove them? shouldn't autoremove do it for me? it doesn't seem top wortk for me. or am i missing something here?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> "autoremove" can also do damage , if yer not careful
[12:31] <jontec> ooh... I have fcgid... and I didn't even know it
[12:31] <fignew> Weam: I'm still brainstorming on a possible solution
[12:31] <marshcast> so how do I go about setting up a secure and fast system with kde?
[12:31] <marshcast> is it possible?
[12:32] <Weam> aight
[12:32] <kkathman> marshcast:  some of those are kernel module that you'll need to remove that way I reckon
[12:32] <marshcast> if I try to remove anything at all with adept it seems to remove the whole of kde?!?!
[12:32] <fignew> marshcast: hold on
[12:33] <marshcast> kkathman: all of them? if I try to autoremove kdebluetooth then it just removes that 1 app.
[12:33] <fignew> K-menu --> System Settings --> advanced
[12:34] <marshcast> with you, fignew
[12:34] <fignew> System Services to remove non-kde related stuff
[12:35] <kkathman> marshcast:  there are modules that are loaded during boot, you'll need to change that....I did this once or twice, but its been a while..so I dont want to tell you wrong
[12:35] <fignew> and service manager to remove KDE related stuff
[12:36] <racarr> !pastebin
[12:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:36] <fignew> Weam: so GRUB has been totally removed?
[12:37] <Weam> nope, grub is still the loader, fdoving said that LILO should have higher prio tho when it gets an error GRUB loads instead
[12:37] <Weam> something like that
[12:37] <Weam> anyway
[12:37] <Weam> still got GRUB as loader
[12:37] <Weam> and its still "GRUB Hard Disk Error"
[12:37] <marshcast> fignew - this doesn't seem to let me remove them & all the piles of (what is in effect if i dont use it) rubbish that goes with them. my system is still full of unused stuff. do I just have to out up with that in kde?
[12:38] <fignew> Weam: because even if there is a RAID controller without a RAID, it should still boot
[12:38] <marshcast> that would make it a bit of a dinosaur
[12:38] <marshcast> :(
[12:39] <fignew> under what... Service manager?
[12:39] <fignew> Weam: will memtest86 boot?
[12:39] <marshcast> system services
[12:39] <Weam> is that embedded with kubuntu or do i need to boot memtest with floppy etc?
[12:40] <fignew> it should be an option under GRUB
[12:40] <eilker> !sls
[12:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:40] <fignew> marshcast: did you click administrator mode in the bottom right?
[12:40] <Weam> hm no, it dont load if so. all i get when i trying to boot my computer i get "GRUB Loading Stage 1.5" followed by "GRUB Hard Disk Error" and then it freezes
[12:41] <fignew> remember, marshcast, be careful with the system services, without certain things, the system may break
[12:41] <fignew> Weam: you selected Memtest?
[12:42] <marshcast> fignew - I cant remove anything from systemservices though.
[12:42] <fignew> did you click administrator mode in the bottom right?
[12:42] <ncaller> What package should I install to get the source code to /bin/ping ?  I haven't had luck looking
[12:43] <marshcast> I want shot of all bluetooth related apps. can I do this without searching out all apps and dependencies by hand one at a time?
[12:43] <Weam> fignew, im sorry. i havent been having these kind of problems before when trying out linux so, how do i do that? (im a total grubnoob)
[12:43] <fignew> press escape
[12:43] <fignew> when GRUB first pops up
[12:43] <marshcast> and yes - admin mode. but can only start/stop/restart deamons
[12:44] <Weam> aight
[12:44] <fignew> ncaller: iputils-ping
[12:45] <fignew> marshcast: what do you have against BT?
[12:45] <fignew> :P
[12:45] <ncaller> it says I already have that package, but I don't see the source for it under /usr/src
[12:45] <fignew> marshcast: you can edit the /etc/init.d/ files
[12:45] <fignew> 1 sec ncaller
[12:45] <marshcast> BT??
[12:45] <kkathman> fignew:  I looked in my processes and bluetooth isnt running on my system
[12:46] <kkathman> so maybe he actually specifically installed??
[12:46] <DekKeD> any idea how to edit an IMG file?
[12:46] <Weam> fignew; im spamming escape-button but i dont got time before it says hard disk error
[12:46] <Weam> tried several times now
[12:46] <Weam> >.<
[12:46] <marshcast> fignew - don't think i have anything against anything (unless it's corporate - then I do tend to get a bit asrsey...)
[12:46] <fignew> wait, you want it to run?
[12:47] <fignew> Bluetooth that is?
[12:47] <fignew> hmm
[12:47] <fignew> Weam: 1 sec
[12:47] <jpiccolo> has anyone seen the ADAPTEC 2610SA
[12:47] <marshcast> kkathman: me? i didn't install - but it's there - i dont want it on the machine as I'm never going to use it...also - btooth is just an example - i want to strip the system of all unused services/apps AND all their deps
[12:48] <fignew> ncaller: apt-get source iputils-ping
[12:48] <fignew> marshcast: Debian is best for doing that
[12:48] <marshcast> which is why the adept thing with 'remove one, remove all' seems a bit odd
[12:49] <kkathman> marshcast:  As I said earlier, each of those are in one of the boot directories. You just need to find which ones you want to get rid of  and move them elsewhere I reckon
[12:49] <marshcast> fignew: Hhhmmm.. but i a bit noob for Debian
[12:49] <fignew> agreed with kkathman, look in  /etc/init.d
[12:49] <marshcast> kkathman: that's the only way - - seems dangerous :/
[12:50] <marshcast> fignew: kkathman, and deosn't get shot of the libraries/apps from my hdd :( - that mean it's not possible except by hand?
[12:50] <kkathman> ahhh thats the directory...thanx fignew :)
[12:50] <fignew> yes, but if you're careful, you won't have problems... but if you do, boot up with a liveCD, mount the HD, and fix what you messed up...
[12:50] <kkathman> I had forgotten
[12:51] <fignew> marshcast: the files will still be there, they just won't be run at bootup
[12:51] <fignew> so all the BT stuff will still be taking up space
[12:51] <fignew> but boottimes will be faster
[12:52] <kkathman> marshcast:  it takes a little leg work to work through each of the modules to know which one does what, but then you simply remove that one from the directory, then the boot process doesnt process it.. its quite safe, unless you remove something you didnt want to...all you need to do is put it back tho
[12:52] <fignew> Weam: Looks like it's failing before it ever gets to the point I'm thinking of
[12:52] <marshcast> Hhhhmmm... was trying to get the machine sorted quick to have minimal access to things and get it into someone elses  house with just browser/openoffice & amarok. that's not going to happen with kde, is it...?
[12:52] <Weam> yup, seems so
[12:52] <fignew> Weam: you have a few options though, you could setup grub to boot from a floppy
[12:52] <fignew> or thumbdrive (assuming the BIOS supports USB booting)
[12:53] <Weam> hm
[12:53] <fignew> marshcast: try Xubuntu
[12:53] <fignew> still very easy to use
[12:53] <ncaller> fignew: I had to install dpkg-dev as well, but that worked, awesome and thanks
[12:54] <fignew> :)
[12:54] <Weam> how do u mean with floppy? that i should dl like an BOOT-floppydisk for kubuntu or something? do i need it every time then etc?
[12:54] <fignew> yes, you would need it everytime
[12:55] <marshcast> yeah - i just come from Xubuntu. wanted to make it easy for them to use, which kde offers in a greater degree for noobs...
[12:55] <marshcast> but that could be the answer, eh
[12:56] <fignew> keep everything then
[12:56] <fignew> just imagine if they bought a Bluetooth adaptor for their phone and it didn't work!
[12:56] <Weam> think i got a floppy laying around somewhere. is it hard setting up grub to boot on it if i would choose to do it like this?
[12:56] <fignew> Weam: never done it
[12:56] <Weam> :<
[12:56] <fignew> I know you can do it though
[12:57] <fignew> there's an app called grub-floppy
[12:57] <fignew> prob. makes it pretty easy!
[12:57] <RealisticDragon> now thats a name that didnt get thought through :)
[12:57] <fignew> :P
[12:57] <Weam> guess its time to google some to check it out
[12:57] <vado> Re
[12:57] <fignew> Weam: I would prob. reinstall Kubuntu
[12:58] <RealisticDragon> is there a kubuntu ppc (or powerbook) channel on freenode? :o
[12:58] <Weam> i've reinstalled kubuntu 6.10 twice, thought it was something wrong with the iso so burned and installed kubuntu 6.06 three times
[12:58] <Weam> same error every time
[12:58] <Weam> even followed a pictureguide
[12:58] <Weam> tho its not hard at all installing kubuntu
[12:59] <Weam> i did it to be sure
[12:59] <Weam> so it has nothing to do with kubuntu-install
[12:59] <fignew> no
[12:59] <RealisticDragon> what was the error Weam? :o
[12:59] <fignew> just reinstall because you messed with lilo
[12:59] <Weam> oh
[12:59] <Weam> ye
[12:59] <Weam> but still, need to figure out the grub-floppy thing first
[12:59] <fignew> RealisticDragon: http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-grub%40gnu.org/msg10559.html
[01:00] <fignew> that pretty much sums it up :P
[01:00] <Weam> yup, kinda
[01:00] <RealisticDragon> woo, thats fun :)
[01:01] <fignew> BIOS RAID conflicting with GRUB, no off switch for RAID = trouble
[01:02] <fignew> strange thing though is I had BIOS RAID turned on on (whee) my home computer... no problems
[01:02] <RealisticDragon> the strangest things can mess stuff up
[01:03] <RealisticDragon> my powerbook does suspend/resume on lid close *perfectly*... as long as it's connected to a WPA network... WEP kills it dead one time in 20... god knows whats the root cause of that
[01:04] <fignew> you can fix that
[01:04] <RealisticDragon> script to unload the wireless driver on suspend?
[01:05] <fignew> yes
[01:05] <fignew> but start with simple
[01:06] <RealisticDragon> simple?
[01:06] <fignew> do you have knetworkmanager installed?
[01:06] <RealisticDragon> yes but it doesnt work for PPC, i need to use wifi-radar (at best, or CLI) for WEP and cli for WPA stuff
[01:07] <fignew> DOH!
[01:07] <RealisticDragon> its a broadcom airport card, bcm43xx drivers
[01:07] <RealisticDragon> hey, at least it works :D its a disctinct improvement
[01:08] <oslo> does someone here has already success to use gmailfs ??
[01:09] <RealisticDragon> not tried it :) sounds interesting though, got a link?
[01:10] <fignew> RealisticDragon: have you looked under /etc/network/
[01:10] <fignew> ?
[01:11] <RealisticDragon> ah ha, interesting - the pre-down.d (etc) stuff?
[01:11] <RealisticDragon> that would probably work nicely
[01:11] <RealisticDragon> does suspend automatically up/down the interface? or will i need a "disconnect from network" link on the desktop
[01:15] <fignew> I have written a little script that connects/disconnects me from my school network
[01:16] <ingo> ay
[01:16] <fignew> with a link on my 'top
[01:16] <fignew> so let's see here
[01:16] <RealisticDragon> ifdown eth1 && modprobe -r bcm43xx
[01:16] <RealisticDragon> :)
[01:17] <fignew> bringing it up though is a bit more work
[01:17] <fignew> at least for me :P
[01:17] <RealisticDragon> heh
[01:17] <RealisticDragon> mostly a pest with changing networks
[01:17] <fignew> Hidden network, WEP (no big deal, right?... wrong: thousands of MAC addresses), and a login captive portal.
[01:18] <eilker> how can i define a shortcut, to not write "sudo apt-get install" evertime ? is it possible ?
[01:18] <RealisticDragon> i should probably cache some information about the network and then check on resume with iwlist eth1 scan to see whats present before bringing the network back conditionally
[01:18] <ingo> eilker: alias
[01:18] <eilker> !alias
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alias - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <ingo> define it in your bashrc
[01:18] <eilker> ingo: bashrc? u mean shell scripting ?
[01:18] <fignew> alias ls='ls --color=auto' <--- Enabled by default
[01:19] <LjL> eilker, alias is a shell command. type "help alias"
[01:19] <chupie> i got one of those free kubuntu cd's, popped it in the cdrom drive.. and when it goes to boot, i get a kernel panic..
[01:19] <chupie> its version 6.06 LTS 64bit
[01:19] <RealisticDragon> doesnt knetworkmanager handle that for you fignew? otherwise nm-applet will work in kde if you need it badly, or wifi-radar (which is a bit less elegant)
[01:20] <RealisticDragon> chupie: how old is your machine?
[01:20] <fignew> RealisticDragon: it would (and I wish it did) except, I would have to add each AP's mac address
[01:20] <sithergean> us
[01:20] <chupie> about a year
[01:20] <RealisticDragon> do you know what kind of processor it has? you might just need a different version of the disk
[01:21] <fignew> it aliases the WEP key with the AP's mac address (not SSID)
[01:21] <chupie> its a Athlon 64 3000+
[01:21] <fignew> what happens right before the kernel panic?
[01:21] <RealisticDragon> sorry chupie, thought id start with the obvious ;) theres nothing wrong with that
[01:22] <chupie> well its right at the boot screen, asking me what i want to do, i choose start.. and then it goes to load the kernel.. and then i get a screen full of crap i have no idea what it is.. and at the bottom it says kernel panic
[01:22] <chupie> tried to kill init
[01:22] <chupie> or something of that sort
[01:23] <eilker> LjL: is it correct ?//        alias -p test=sudo apt-get install
[01:23] <fignew> does shift+pageup scroll up?
[01:23] <LjL> eilker: why -p?
[01:23] <chupie> i dunno, i'll have to reboot and check
[01:23] <RealisticDragon> did you check the CD was ok?
[01:23] <chupie> no, i can also do that
[01:23] <LjL> and i think you need quotation marks after the = i think, eilker
[01:24] <LjL> alias test="sudo apt-get install"
[01:24] <RealisticDragon> might be worth a check in case its a bad disk :o
[01:24] <chupie> well i just got it and took it out of the mailing envelope
[01:24] <chupie> kk
[01:24] <fignew> good point RealisticDragon
[01:24] <chupie> be back in a few
[01:24] <thedevilsjester> Does anyone know a good way to (in C++) execute a program from within your program, not using any forks or calls that stop execution of the calling app (I need this for launching a browser from within my app)
[01:25] <lupine_85> thedevilsjester: execv() ?
[01:25] <thedevilsjester> doesnt work like I need it to
[01:25] <thedevilsjester> with that I have to harvest zombie proccesses of the called app
[01:26] <thedevilsjester> atleast in all my experiances with it
[01:26] <eilker> LjL: got it, thank you
[01:29] <eilker> fignew: what does this do  / ls='ls --color=auto' / ? what does it mean ? ls is ls, so why do we have color and auto etc..? what does color do ? is it for colors when we type "ls" ?
[01:29] <chupie> well..
[01:29] <RealisticDragon> any luck chupie?
[01:29] <chupie> i get a kernel panic trying that
[01:29] <RealisticDragon> the media check?
[01:29] <chupie> what it says is, kernel panic - not syncing
[01:29] <chupie> yeah
[01:29] <jontec> hey guys... I've asked this in #rubyonrails and #apache... here we go: for fastcgi, this article tell me to add -D FASTCGI to APACHE2_OPTS in /etc/conf.d/apache2, however, I have fcgid installed... what do I add? However, I will note that these directions were written for gentoo... and I am on kubuntu and in the conf.d folder, I already have a fcgid.conf file.
[01:29] <chupie> and when its doing that.. my cdrom is making a weird noise
[01:30] <RealisticDragon> im going to go with a media fault then, if the drive works fine in windows :)
[01:30] <chupie> not in windows
[01:30] <chupie> but yeah it works fine
[01:31] <fignew> I'm not sure... I typed in alias then <TAB> a few times and that popped up... I suppose it makes the file listings colorful
[01:31] <dettoaltrimenti> hey- I can't seem to get swf files (flash) to play in konqueror... any suggestions?
[01:31] <fignew> jontec: if you're gonna run fastcgi, use lighttpd
[01:31] <fignew> :P
[01:31] <RealisticDragon> i dont have aa copy of the md5sum handy for the 64 bit CD im afraid to check it :/
[01:31] <chupie> i've noticed this pc though is very picky on *nix's... i'm running FreeBSD atm.. which is so far the only thing i have been able to run on it
[01:31] <fignew> dettoaltrimenti: do they play in firefox?
[01:32] <dettoaltrimenti> fignew: no
[01:32] <jontec> fignew: I'm limited... it's not my choice. I'm using apache2
[01:32] <dettoaltrimenti> fignew: although I have downloaded numerous packages that claim to give flash support for mozilla
[01:32] <chupie> should i try downloading the iso? and trying it?
[01:32] <eilker> fignew: i see, thanx anyway
[01:32] <fignew> eilker: what's linux timeline?
[01:33] <fignew> chupie: yea, redownload perhaps with wget?
[01:33] <RealisticDragon> if even the media check wont run i would try it chupie, it depends - maybe not if you are on dialup or metered, then id try and get someone to give you a md5sum to check the current disk against
[01:33] <eilker> friends you should see this, http://linuxtoy.org/img/linux_timeline.png
[01:33] <fignew> dettoaltrimenti: do you want flash 7 or flash 9 (beta)?
[01:33] <eilker> fignew: see the link pls, history of linux distro's
[01:33] <chupie> kk, redownload
[01:34] <RealisticDragon> flash 9 works pretty well, its in non-free backports right?
[01:34] <dettoaltrimenti> fignew: flash 7, if it works on youtube- that's about all I use flash for
[01:34] <RealisticDragon> youtube works with 7 or 9 :)
[01:34] <fignew> dettoaltrimenti: yes, 7 or 9, but most other videosites require 9 (for some odd reason)
[01:34] <BluesKaj> flashn9 is buggy , had replace it with 7
[01:34] <dettoaltrimenti> fignew: hell ok, 9
[01:34] <RealisticDragon> they improved the video codecs in 8 i think fignew
[01:35] <RealisticDragon> but there was no release 8 for linux
[01:35] <chupie> also.. should i just go w/ i386
[01:35] <fignew> chupie: what connection you on?
[01:35] <chupie> also.. should i just go w/ i386?
[01:35] <chupie> cable
[01:35] <chupie> 6mbit
[01:35] <larson9999> 9 + bugs = 7 + websites that don't work with 7
[01:35] <RealisticDragon> chupie: i have an amd64 machine running i386 for now
[01:35] <dettoaltrimenti> I write down whenever anyone tells me how to do something, because usually linux ends up getting messed up and I have to reinstall
[01:35] <larson9999> 9 + bugs > 7 + websites that don't work with 7
[01:35] <RealisticDragon> it makes some things easier (for now) like browser plugins... 64bit gets easier all the time
[01:35] <fignew> same, running i386 on my AMD64
[01:35] <otaku-san> anyone a kxdocker user here?
[01:36] <fignew> dettoaltrimenti: ok 1 sec
[01:36] <chupie> i dunno.. i've just so far used 64bit on this pc, xp 64, bsd 64.. etc.. not too much of a drop in performance? if any?
[01:36] <RealisticDragon> none i think
[01:37] <chupie> 18 minutes to download
[01:37] <fignew> HAR
[01:37] <chupie> lol
[01:38] <chupie> that would be nice
[01:38] <chupie> ahh
[01:38] <RealisticDragon> im in mexico at the moment... broadband here is two men shouting 0111001 at each other ;) (20k/sec on DSL)
[01:38] <chupie> LMFAO
[01:38] <chupie> nice...
[01:39] <RealisticDragon> hence no WPA, the (monopoly) phone company supplies all the DSL routers
[01:39] <RealisticDragon> anyway chupie i was planning to give 64 bit kubuntu another go at around 7.10 since my workstation will probably be happy with 6.06 until then :)
[01:40] <fignew> technically everything is 100mbit for me... but no servers are fast enough :/
[01:40] <chupie> ah, icic
[01:40] <dettoaltrimenti> unlimited bandwidth doesn't exist!
[01:40] <fignew> dettoaltrimenti: http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/article.php?story=20061031161901533
[01:41] <RealisticDragon> fignew: was ever thus, even my 10mbit service at college used to overwhelm servers no problems
[01:41] <jpiccolo> !software raid
[01:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about software raid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:41] <fignew> !swraid
[01:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swraid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:41] <dettoaltrimenti> fignew: thanks
[01:41] <jpiccolo> where would i find system requirements for software raid?
[01:41] <fignew> there's one extra step though
[01:42] <fignew> dettoaltrimenti: at the end, open up Konq. go to prefrences, and search for plugins
[01:42] <RealisticDragon> jpiccolo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto
[01:42] <eilker> hey people lets say  / alias df="sudo apt-get install" /  what happens when i write "df ":D
[01:42] <RealisticDragon> oops, sorry, bad link :o
[01:43] <RealisticDragon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Raid?highlight=%28raid%29
[01:43] <_kuja_> eilker, exactly what you think it'd do
[01:43] <fignew> it would run apt-get install :/
[01:43] <fignew> :P
[01:44] <eilker> _kuja_: df is another command too....will df command be lost ?
[01:44] <eilker> :D
[01:44] <Red-Sox> How do I make the time 12-hour?
[01:44] <_kuja_> alias is temporary, it only lasts until you close the terminal.
[01:44] <_kuja_> you wouldn't be able to use df until you changed it
[01:44] <fignew> Red-Sox: right-click
[01:44] <_kuja_> I do that with install, a command I never use .... alias install="sudo apt-get install"
[01:44] <fignew> on the time
[01:44] <_kuja_> Only I put it in my bash profile ...
[01:45] <eilker> _kuja_: is alias temporary ?? but i need it permanantly....
[01:45] <Red-Sox> fignew: uh-huh?
[01:45] <eilker> _kuja_: possible ?
[01:45] <_kuja_> eilker, put in your ~/.bash_profile
[01:45] <fignew> 1 sec
[01:45] <Jucato> er. it's recommended to put it in .bash_aliases
[01:45] <Red-Sox> kk
[01:45] <fignew> Date & Time format
[01:46] <notech> rewrite df to an install command? how odd
[01:46] <dettoaltrimenti> fignew: sorry to be a pain, but that made flash work in firefox. Can I make flash work in konqueror?
[01:46] <RealisticDragon> dont suppose anyone knows how to bind (key)-left click to be right click do they? stupid powerbooks
[01:46] <_kuja_> jucato, makes not a lot of differnece, but you have to switch on the use of .bash_aliases in the profile if I rmeember right
[01:46] <fignew> then Times & Date
[01:46] <Jucato> _kuja_: yes. but bash itself "recommends" putting in .bash_aliases,that's why it has that part
[01:46] <Jucato> RealisticDragon: switch the mouse buttons?
[01:46] <fignew> dettoaltrimenti: I told you :P    --- dettoaltrimenti: at the end, open up Konq. go to prefrences, and search for plugins
[01:47] <eilker> jucato: where is " .bash_aliases" . i cant find its place by locate command
[01:47] <RealisticDragon> Jucato: need to use the left button as well most of the time ;) but theres only one button on the machine
[01:47] <Jucato> oh...
[01:47] <Jucato> eilker: ~/.bash_aliases
[01:47] <Jucato> eilker: http://www.jucato.org/blog/ubuntu-classroom-command-line-basics/ scroll down to the Aliases part
[01:48] <Red-Sox> Now how do I restart the kicker?
[01:48] <fignew> login
[01:48] <fignew> ermm logout
[01:48] <_kuja_> type in kicker and hit enter
[01:48] <Jucato> no
[01:48] <Jucato> Alt+F2, "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[01:48] <_kuja_> if it's already running that killall kicker first
[01:48] <DaveQB> Red-Sox  dcop kicker kicker restart
[01:48] <dettoaltrimenti> oh sorry fignew
[01:48] <DaveQB> beat me! damn
[01:48] <DaveQB> :)
[01:48] <Red-Sox> cool :)
[01:48] <jpiccolo> RealisticDragon, thanks for the links but thats not really what i am looking for, i want to know what kind of cpu and ram requirements are needed for different raid sizes (say 2terabytes) and raid level say raid 5
[01:48] <_kuja_> I swear my fingers are dyslexic anymore
[01:48] <Red-Sox> thanks guys
[01:49] <RealisticDragon> ah sorry jpiccolo
[01:49] <jpiccolo> no prob
[01:50] <fignew> jpiccolo: none really
[01:50] <fignew> as long as it's not ancient
[01:50] <eilker> jucato: is it correct  ~/. = /home/user/.
[01:50] <fignew> it should be able to handle it
[01:50] <Jucato> eilker: yes. actually you type in ~ and the system will understand it
[01:50] <jpiccolo> say a 1.4 althon and 512 ram
[01:50] <fignew> also, pay attention to the Filesystem, Ext3 might not be the best choice for a 2TB RAID
[01:51] <fignew> no problem
[01:51] <jpiccolo> would be able to handle a 6 disk raid 5 array?
[01:51] <shadowmob> hello everyone
[01:51] <_kuja_> hi there
[01:51] <shadowmob> I am in need of some help.
[01:51] <boris``> what does ubuntu mean?
[01:51] <_pragma> shadowmob: how can I help you?
[01:51] <goldfish> boris``: "Unable to install gentoo."
[01:51] <fignew> jpiccolo: I don't see why not
[01:51] <boris``> LAWLAWL
[01:51] <goldfish> boris``: in african
[01:51] <jpiccolo> oh ok sweet
[01:51] <_pragma> goldfish: i find you offensive
[01:51] <shadowmob> I just installed Kubuntu and I am trying to get it to work the way I want it to
[01:52] <fignew> as long as you have enough plugs :P
[01:52] <goldfish> _pragma: I find you black gold.
[01:52] <jpiccolo> yeah, well i was looking at that
[01:52] <_pragma> shadowmob: HOW MAY I HELP YOU?!
[01:52] <goldfish> Ah man.
[01:52] <RealisticDragon> what do you need help with shadowmob? :)
[01:52] <_kuja_> eilker: $HOME does too.
[01:52] <goldfish> This is bad.
[01:52] <shadowmob> I have an intel core duo processor and an ATI x1400
[01:52] <_pragma> shadowmob: if you can't be courteous enough to provide an answer, I will refuse to help you.
[01:52] <Jucato> although ~ is easier to type than $HOME :)
[01:52] <shadowmob> I am trying to get it to run at full cpu frequency
[01:52] <_pragma> shadowmob: i see.
[01:52] <Jucato> boris``: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[01:52] <shadowmob> it is only running at about half
[01:53] <_pragma> shadowmob: ah, only half.  hmm.
[01:53] <_pragma> shadowmob: i've had some experience with this
[01:53] <RealisticDragon> the CPU should change on it's own depending on what you are doing shadowmob
[01:53] <boris``> Jucato: what?! this is offensive!
[01:53] <fignew> goldfish: that translation is only applicable for one dialect: more commonly ubuntu means "cant be bothered with a system that is broken half of the time"
[01:53] <_pragma> RealisticDragon: leave my noob alone
[01:53] <jpiccolo> fignew, i was thinking about 2 of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815124020
[01:53] <RealisticDragon> my laptop runs at half frequency unless im doing a lot of stuff
[01:53] <goldfish> eilker: If you're using 'cd ~' , 'cd' will do the same thing.
[01:53] <_pragma> shadowmob: i know how to help you
[01:53] <shadowmob> Well when I am running on battery power I'd like it to run at full cpu frequency
[01:53] <boris``> Jucato: that site claims to distribute "nigger porn"
[01:53] <goldfish> fignew: Ignore me, that was just for boris``.
[01:53] <_pragma> RealisticDragon: you're running on half frequency
[01:53] <_pragma> RealisticDragon: shadowmob wants to run at full frequency
[01:53] <boris``> Jucato: i am black, you are offensive!
[01:53] <_pragma> RealisticDragon: i will help the noob if you will silence yourself
[01:54] <_pragma> Jucato: are you offending black people?
[01:54] <RealisticDragon> gtg, see you alter :
[01:54] <_pragma> shadowmob: anyway, like I was saying ...
[01:54] <_pragma> shadowmob: what you need to do first is ignore RealisticDragon
[01:54] <_pragma> shadowmob: we do this like this:  /ignore RealisticDragon
[01:54] <Jucato> boris``, _pragma: prove your accusations
[01:55] <shadowmob> Done
[01:55] <eilker> goldfish: i knew cd ~ before, but just learnt ~ redirects to /home/user in konqueror
[01:55] <fignew> jpiccolo: looks ok (I suppose)... Do note, the easiest way to install a software raid is with the Alternative Install disk!
[01:55] <_pragma> shadowmob: perfect
[01:56] <dettoaltrimenti> can you open .doc files in konqueror?
[01:56] <jpiccolo> fignew, would it be better to install the os on the raid or have a seperate hd for the os
[01:56] <Jucato> apokryphos: thanks btw :)
[01:57] <jpiccolo> fignew, this is going to be just a fileserver
[01:57] <fignew> dettoaltrimenti: yes, I believe you can if you install koffice...
[01:57] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti: not in Konqueror, but in OpenOffice.org
[01:57] <Jucato> of course, if you have KOffice/KWord install, you can "preview" them in Konqueror
[01:57] <apokryphos> Jucato: np, he was being a lot worse in #suse :O
[01:57] <fignew> seperate HD for OS is always best!
[01:58] <Jucato> apokryphos: oh so he was spamming a lot, eh? good thing he didn't do that in #kde :P
[01:58] <jpiccolo> and if the seperate hd that the os is on dies, i would beable to get my software raided file system back?
[01:58] <apokryphos> it was?
[01:58] <dettoaltrimenti> ok
[01:58] <fignew> Jucato: with Koffice, KIO will only let you preview... not edit?
[01:59] <robomoore> !pebkac
[01:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pebkac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:59] <robomoore> sure you don't >.>
[01:59] <fignew> jpiccolo: yes
[01:59] <Jucato> fignew: yes. read only. but it's not handled by KIO, btw
[01:59] <fignew> really?
[01:59] <fignew> Jucato: what handles it then?
[02:00] <Jucato> KParts
[02:00] <Jucato> embedded viewers are handled by KPart (except tar:/ afaik)
[02:00] <fignew> jpiccolo: if this is a mission critical File Server I would get hardware RAID though
[02:00] <chupie> well, time to try the new iso
[02:00] <chupie> brb
[02:00] <fignew> ohhh
[02:00] <fignew> ok
[02:00] <_kuja_> RAID and I never got along :(
[02:01] <jpiccolo> fignew, well this is just going to be a fileserver to get the junk off my hd
[02:02] <jpiccolo> personal use
[02:02] <jpiccolo> i am building a different one for my dads shop right now, thats only going to be a raid 1 though
[02:02] <fignew> wow, you have alot of junk :P
[02:03] <fignew> mirroring is always good :)
[02:03] <jpiccolo> i am trying to wait till the 1T drives come out so it will drive the prices down on all the others
[02:04] <jpiccolo> plus i want to do it, and i want to make it worth my while
[02:05] <jpiccolo> wow, gentoo takes awhile to install, well i should say compile
[02:07] <jpiccolo> yeah i guess that would be about 5 levels of back up
[02:09] <fignew> meh, I've tried gentoo three times... each time I tried to install... compile errors.
[02:09] <robomoore> !twinview
[02:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about twinview - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:11] <jpiccolo> 66 out of 360 so far
[02:11] <jpiccolo> gentoo is the only one that reconigized the network card
[02:13] <kilrae> ! i got beryl working
[02:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i got beryl working - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:13] <kilrae> quiet you
[02:13] <fignew> lol :P
[02:13] <oslo> kilrae> welcome
[02:14] <kilrae> silly bot
[02:14] <kilrae> hehe, everything is wiggly
[02:14] <kilrae> this is so going to improve my efficiency
[02:14] <fignew> LOL!
[02:15] <kilrae> i keep moving windows just for fun
[02:15] <Furesho> anybody here know how to use unace? i can't seem to get the friggin command to work. i typed unace -ex filename.ace but i get a message on how to use it properly.
[02:15] <kilrae> reminds me of when i got 3.1
[02:17] <fignew> damnit jpiccolo, I feel like installing gentoo now
[02:17] <jpiccolo> haha, sorry
[02:17] <fignew> luckily for me, though, I have no computer to install it on
[02:18] <jpiccolo> i have a brand new one
[02:18] <_kuja_> One plus for beryl I say, is that moving windows no longer takes 50% cpu usage :)
[02:18] <jpiccolo> well, new in the sense the motherboard came yesterday
[02:18] <arrenlex> fignew: Life is too short to run gentoo.
[02:18] <jpiccolo> and its the first micro atx board i have messed with
[02:18] <deegrayve> hey yall
[02:19] <fignew> lol arrenlex
[02:20] <fignew> kilrae: did you use Aquamarine
[02:20] <fignew> ?
[02:20] <kilrae> i guess not
[02:20] <kilrae> xgl and beryl
[02:20] <kilrae> i've read the name, but i don't know what aquamarine is
[02:22] <_kuja_> I think aquamarine is a window decorator that uses kwin-style window decorations ...... if I remember right
[02:22] <fignew> yes
[02:22] <Red-Sox> _OKAY_ now I need to get my songs off my iPod
[02:22] <kilrae> i just got it working a few minutes ago, still using the standard decorator
[02:23] <kilrae> i should to be studying for my metalogic exam on thursday
[02:23] <labadli> Hi every one.
[02:23] <labadli> How are u today??
[02:23] <_kuja_> fignew, where would one get aquamarine anyway ... I just set up beryl a few days ago, and I miss the plastik windec already ...
[02:24] <kilrae> plastik?  it's a crystal world
[02:24] <jpiccolo> can amarok play a .pls
[02:25] <fannagoganna> yes
[02:25] <labadli> yes
[02:25] <fannagoganna> amarok is pretty god-damn versatile
[02:25] <labadli> can amarok play wma???
[02:25] <jpiccolo> just open the address as a stream
[02:25] <jpiccolo> ?
[02:25] <arrenlex> The real question is, can amarok cure cancer?
[02:25] <fignew> labadli: if you have the wma codec :P
[02:26] <fignew> arrenlex: ear cancer, yes
[02:26] <jpiccolo> oh i got it
[02:26] <jpiccolo> sweet
[02:26] <labadli> can i have it in internet??
[02:26] <fignew> hmm?
[02:27] <fignew> _kuja_: I was just wondering if you had it installed, I'm interested in it
[02:27] <larson9999> if you have the cancer codec
[02:27] <larson9999> i think that's closed source
[02:28] <fignew> just checked, w32codecs does NOT have it :(
[02:28] <fignew> ;)_
[02:28] <chupie> well so far the live cd is working.. but the installation has froze @ 60% trying to load the usb storage module
[02:28] <chupie> heh
[02:29] <fignew> wow chupie, so it was the CD?
[02:29] <fignew> chupie: do you use USB?
[02:30] <chupie> only for my mouse
[02:30] <chupie> which.. didn't work on boot, so i had to search for a ps/2 mouse
[02:31] <chupie> hmm... i hear hard drive activity but.. its been @ 60% for a while...
[02:32] <fignew> give it a few more minutes
[02:32] <fignew> then reboot, and append the bootoption nousb to the boot options
[02:32] <chupie> k
[02:33] <chupie> kubuntu is based on debian right?
[02:33] <fignew> also, try checking the virtual terminals for debug output
[02:33] <fignew> yes, debian based
[02:33] <chupie> yay, apt-get
[02:33] <chupie> lol
[02:34] <arrenlex> chupie: Or you could have just entered "apt-get" in the terminal to see what happens. =P
[02:34] <fignew> :P
[02:35] <madzia> yo
[02:35] <fignew> yoyoyo
[02:36] <arrenlex> Bling.
[02:36] <madzia> :D
[02:37] <chupie> ugh... gonna reboot in a few minutes
[02:40] <Jucato> reboot?
[02:41] <arrenlex> Jucato: You know, that thing which resets your uptime.
[02:41] <chupie> currently trying to install
[02:41] <Jucato> oooh... never heard of it till now. :)
[02:42] <Necros> hey php-freak_
[02:44] <php-freak_> necros: yes?
[02:45] <Necros> did you get your setup working?
[02:45] <larson9999> arrenlex: viagra?
[02:46] <arrenlex> larson9999: ...where did that come from? o_O
[02:46] <php-freak_> Necros: most certainly, got everthing working on Kubuntu, just working a shopping cart for a client.
[02:46] <larson9999> arrenlex: resetting your uptime
[02:46] <php-freak_> custom programming job, and then I need to get back to my scooter website.
[02:46] <Necros> cool
[02:46] <larson9999> arrenlex: wrong channel. sorry for the bad joke
[02:46] <Necros> I had to go to a concert..
[02:47] <php-freak_> Necros: you wouldn't know any where to find a good article writers? I need some india submitted to articles sites
[02:47] <php-freak_> I'm into seo, but have too much time with what im doing now, and i need to pay someone to do my submissions for me, and directory submissions
[02:47] <lrentz> What is better to use for beryl XGL or AIGLX?
[02:47] <Necros> 'Fraid not
[02:47] <php-freak_> hmmm
[02:48] <php-freak_> You know much seo/php?
[02:48] <php-freak_> sql?
[02:48] <Necros> nope
[02:48] <Necros> I'm a pure C++ kind of guy
[02:48] <Necros> never worked with databases and the like
[02:48] <novo> Anyone know how to unset my wireless channel on my card using iwconfig?  I set it to a specific channel but now I dont want it locked on a channel
[02:48] <php-freak_> Necros: do it for a living?
[02:48] <_kuja_> lrentz, AIGLX works very well.
[02:49] <Necros> php-freak_: I sometimes contribute to various projects. I burn out when I work to long on code. I did rank first place in my state during high school....
[02:49] <lrentz> What is the difference between the two?
[02:49] <php-freak_> Necros: what do you do for a living them? You should at least write software, and sale it?
[02:49] <Koshtan> hi wirld.. :)
[02:50] <Necros> php-freak_ I'm going into the Marine Corps this summer, until then I'm just bumming around
[02:50] <php-freak_> I see
[02:50] <php-freak_> Necros: well Hey i need to get back to work
[02:50] <php-freak_> ttyl
[02:50] <_kuja_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XGL probalbly has an answer, lrentz
[02:50] <arrenlex> Necros: Iraq a hot destination this time of year?
[02:50] <Necros> yep
[02:50] <php-freak_> getting paid 30 bucks an hour lol
[02:50] <php-freak_> take it easy
[02:50] <Necros> arrenlex: Eh, its alright
[02:51] <lrentz> _kuja_, Thanks for the info. AIGLX works well for you.  Are you using it on a laptop?
[02:51] <_kuja_> No, desktop, with the Nvidia 9631 drivers.
[02:52] <Necros> Can you run AIGLX on a legacy-glx card?
[02:53] <_kuja_> Which card?
[02:53] <larson9999> if i run all of these fancy new graphics thingies, does it make my desktop slower?
[02:53] <Necros> Riva TNT2
[02:54] <_kuja_> larson9999: shouldn't, it offloads the majority of the work to the graphics card, it actually speeds things up for me :)
[02:55] <larson9999> _kuja_: you're just saying that to get me to try it.
[02:55] <larson9999> _kuja_: like that crack dealer on the corner always wanting to give me a freebie
[02:55] <flaccid> !logitech
[02:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about logitech - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:56] <_kuja_> No, I'm serious, lets say I move a window, before, CPU usage jumped to about 50% or so, not it doesn't go higher than about 5%
[02:56] <MarcC> what do I do when KDE locks up? I can move my mouse but I can't use it.
[02:56] <Necros> _kuja_: Do you know if a Riva TNT2 will run it?
[02:56] <_kuja_> MarcC: ctrl + alt + backspace might kill X for you, or you can hope it will.
[02:57] <_kuja_> Necros: not sure
[02:57] <Jucato> _kuja_: it will, if the keyboard still responds
[02:57] <MarcC> so there's no KDE-centric way, just killing x, eh?
[02:57] <_kuja_> Jucato: which is why I said might.
[02:57] <Jucato> MarcC: no. because X isn't a KDE app/server
[02:57] <MarcC> ok, thanks
[02:57] <MarcC> will try that :)
[02:58] <MarcC> and how do I restart the kicker, btw?
[02:58] <chupie> ok, try #2
[02:58] <_kuja_> necros, you said the card is a legacy card, by legacy are you also meaning old? If it's underpowered your experience with it probably wouldn't be too nice anyhow.
[02:59] <arrenlex> legacy:hardware::retro:fads::golden:old people
[03:00] <Jucato> MarcC: Alt+F2 (or in Konsole), type in "dcop kicker kicker restart" (without the quotes)
[03:00] <Necros> I mean it uses the legacy nvidia driver
[03:00] <Necros> I overclocked (considerably) and it runs games like Medal of Honor smoothly. I cant imagine a window manager being that demanding
[03:01] <_kuja_> I can't either
[03:02] <_kuja_> I don't think the legacy nvidia drivers  have aiglx support, but you may be able to run xgl instead, but it's not as good (in my experience)
[03:03] <Necros> alright
[03:07] <MarcC> thanks Jucato
[03:08] <Jucato> np :)
[03:12] <syntaxx> is there a shortcut keys to go to the next virtual desktop?
[03:14] <weswh-> firefox is a hole. i've had the same experience with it on xubuntu. i installed this system and have had it running for about 4 days...the first few my memory usage (after i got it all setup) and browsing the web with konqueror, was hanging around 250. (+/- buffers/cache). ever since i installed fox, it's been slowly creeping up, even though i haven't been opening more tabs or anything else. just had a couple of browser instances idle
[03:15] <weswh-> i'm up to 376 megs used now, ff being the only thing different about what is running or in use
[03:15] <weswh-> i am also using ktorrent, and i have increased the load there a bit over the past few days as well - but it didn't seem to be growing much until ff.
[03:15] <chupie> well good, got it installed
[03:15] <chupie> ok.. i got one problem.. what is the defualt root password..? heh
[03:16] <chupie> i noticed just as it got done installing.. it never asked me for one
[03:16] <NamShub> chupie: theres none
[03:16] <DaveQB> chupie there's njo root account
[03:16] <chupie> oh..
[03:16] <DaveQB> chupie  use sudo
[03:16] <chupie> well thats different
[03:16] <weswh-> also, has anyone else noticed that konqueror is very slow to update it's idea of file permissions? when i chown stuff, ls -al will of course show the changes immediately. konqueror takes a certain series of closing it, doing a kdesu session, closing that, etc. before it will see the changes
[03:17] <DaveQB> chupie  you can create a root account if you want or simply sydo su
[03:17] <larson9999> i guess i was lagging
[03:17] <weswh-> chupie - it's a security measure
[03:17] <chupie> kk
[03:17] <NamShub> chupie: why do you want a root account for?
[03:17] <chupie> oh, i'm just used to using su
[03:17] <larson9999> at first i thought i needed to set a su pw.  now i think the sudo way is better
[03:17] <chupie> for apt-get etc
[03:17] <NamShub> sudo -s :)
[03:18] <DaveQB> weswh-  F5 seems to work for me in Konqueror
[03:18] <weswh-> yeah, i prefer sudo now too. though i do sudo su - pretty often too
[03:19] <weswh-> DaveQB: yeah, i guess i just figured that going up a directory, and then back in would accomplish the same thing as F5. i suppose not. some kind of cache or whatever
[03:19] <larson9999> i got an offer for a permanent position... and it's for more money that i get for doing the same thing under contract.  i'm not charging enough!
[03:19] <larson9999> same company, too.
[03:20] <weswh-> anyone use beagle? i know a while back it wasn't entirely stable...it would be nice if they had a tool like that, that would index the entire drive - not just certain types of files. like google desktop search for windows.
[03:20] <larson9999>  weswh- beagle write?
[03:20] <weswh-> larson9999: eh?
[03:21] <larson9999> weswh-: the program, beagle write.
[03:22] <weswh-> larson9999: it's the same as beagle but more expansive?
[03:25] <larson9999> weswh-: nah, just teasing.  beagle write was a program for the apple ii
[03:25] <larson9999> weswh-: word processor.
[03:26] <campbch> eh?
[03:26] <campbch> ok, this is really screwing me up
[03:26] <campbch> an array
[03:26] <campbch> is a pointer
[03:27] <lrentz> What would no valid open pgp data found when trying to add pgp key
[03:27] <campbch> if i have an array of arrays, that is the same thing as a 2d array
[03:27] <campbch> if i have an array of pointers, i should have a 2d array, without dealing too much with double pointers or 2d arrays
[03:27] <campbch> now
[03:27] <campbch> in memory
[03:28] <campbch> i have 5 strings, all in formats[5] , and each is a char*
[03:28] <campbch> i take one of those
[03:28] <weswh-> larson9999: ah, never had an older apple :)
[03:28] <campbch> and i can reference it like formats[1] [1]  or formats[2] [1]  etc, correct?
[03:29] <Admiral_Chicago> #offtopic
[03:29] <Admiral_Chicago> campbch: but you are correct
[03:29] <Admiral_Chicago> err !offtopic
[03:29] <campbch> hmm?
[03:29] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[03:29] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:29] <campbch> what is
[03:29] <campbch> oh
[03:29] <campbch> my
[03:29] <campbch> my channel changed :(
[03:29] <campbch> apologies
[03:31] <dettoaltrimenti> do people get paid to stay in this chatroom all the time?
[03:33] <larson9999> dettoaltrimenti: yeah.  and all the girls digg them
[03:33] <|WAL|> I'm having troubles with USB drives (CDrom/iPOD) in Kubuntu LTS.. they don't seem to be detected upon plugin
[03:35] <jontec> !supercow
[03:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about supercow - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:35] <jontec> !moo
[03:35] <dettoaltrimenti> how do I unpack a tar.gz file?
[03:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:35] <LjL> !tar | dettoaltrimenti
[03:35] <ubotu> dettoaltrimenti: Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[03:35] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti: tar xf filename
[03:37] <dettoaltrimenti> oh so ark can do it all
[03:37] <dettoaltrimenti> I'll learn how to do it in the terminal later
[03:38] <Admiral_Chicago> dettoaltrimenti: the terminal is a lot better than GUI
[03:38] <|WAL|> I'm having troubles with USB drives (CDrom/iPOD) in Kubuntu LTS.. they don't seem to be detected upon plugin
[03:38] <dettoaltrimenti> why is the terminal better
[03:38] <Admiral_Chicago> most users of *nix systems will agree (after) they use the systems for a while
[03:38] <Admiral_Chicago> terminal can do most anything
[03:38] <Admiral_Chicago> !repeat | |WAL|
[03:38] <ubotu> |WAL|: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[03:39] <dettoaltrimenti> why even use beryl, or xwindows then?
[03:39] <LjL> i don't agree that the terminal is better. i think it's better for certain purposes, and i also think it's overused in Unix due to bad GUIs
[03:40] <dettoaltrimenti> can I get onto irc chat in the terminal?
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> dettoaltrimenti: irssi
[03:40] <angasule> dettoaltrimenti: yes
[03:40] <LjL> !info irssi | dettoaltrimenti
[03:40] <ubotu> irssi: terminal based IRC client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.10-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1010 kB, installed size 2788 kB
[03:40] <Necros> terminal is much faster
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> !info w3m | dettoaltrimenti
[03:40] <angasule> the terminal is different, better for some things, worse for others
[03:40] <ubotu> w3m: WWW browsable pager with excellent tables/frames support. In component main, is standard. Version 0.5.1-4ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1036 kB, installed size 1816 kB
[03:40] <dettoaltrimenti> im going to ive that a try
[03:41] <angasule> for example, the terminal sucks for detail editing of an image
[03:41] <angasule> but for batch processing of images it's great
[03:41] <Admiral_Chicago> angasule: uhh some people swear only by vim or emacs
[03:41] <flaccid> some people live in a fairy world
[03:41] <angasule> for example, if you have a lot of black and white images, you can turn the white into transparent of hundreds of images with a single command (I had to do this once, actually)
[03:41] <LjL> angasule: wait, if i really want *detail* editing, i find using hex codes easier than pointing my shaky mouse to the right pixel with my shaky hand :P
[03:41] <flaccid> of their own
[03:42] <angasule> Admiral_Chicago: I'm a vim user, actually :)
[03:42] <Admiral_Chicago> hahah, that's true
[03:42] <angasule> LjL: hahahaha
[03:42] <angasule> I did draw a Tyrannosaurus Rex pixel by pixel, once
[03:42] <Admiral_Chicago> zomglolwth
[03:42] <angasule> and I would use a hex editor to create my own images when coding an image loader
[03:42] <flaccid> sounds like you got way too much time on your hands :)
[03:42] <angasule> but, those were just in case I ever need to use the insanity defense
[03:43] <dettoalt1imenti> wow, irc on the terminal is awesome
[03:43] <angasule> I was like 12 when I did the tyrannosaurus rex
[03:43] <LjL> !info aview
[03:43] <ubotu> aview: A high quality ASCII art image viewer and video player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.0rc1-8 (edgy), package size 27 kB, installed size 124 kB
[03:43] <LjL> !info hasciicam
[03:43] <ubotu> hasciicam: ascii for the masses. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.1-1.3 (edgy), package size 27 kB, installed size 124 kB
[03:43] <angasule> you can play quake in ascii :)
[03:43] <angasule> anyway, console != ascii
[03:43] <LjL> !info overkill
[03:43] <ubotu> overkill: bloody 2D action deathmatch-like game in ascii-art. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.16-8 (edgy), package size 323 kB, installed size 2724 kB
[03:44] <angasule> in fact if the console could only do ascii, it'd suck
[03:44] <angasule> utf-8 is much better :)
[03:44] <angasule> !info nethack
[03:44] <ubotu> Package nethack does not exist in any distro I know
[03:44] <angasule> whaaaat?
[03:44] <angasule> nethack is the best game in history
[03:44] <flaccid> haha
[03:44] <LjL> angasule: well yeah, it can only do character rendering though (unless you consider the framebuffer 'console' that is)
[03:45] <angasule> LjL: ASCII is only 127 chars (well, even less)
[03:45] <flaccid> !falconseye
[03:45] <ubotu> falconseye: A port of NetHack using SDL. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.3-16ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 812 kB, installed size 2172 kB
[03:45] <VanessaE> Can someone help me here?  GIMP keeps printing this image I'm working on (a 3320x4950 slice of a PDF I loaded) in landscape mode, making it run off one edge of the page, even though I've explicitly told GIMp to use portrait mode.  Tell it to use landscape mode and it prints in portrait mode (but of course I can't use the whole page).
[03:45] <LjL> !find nethack | angasule
[03:45] <ubotu> Found: jnethack, nethack-common, nethack-console, nethack-el, nethack-gnome (and 4 others)
[03:45] <angasule> bah, GUI for nethack is heresy
[03:45] <LjL> angasule: so is ASCII for video :P
[03:45] <flaccid> !nethack-qt
[03:45] <ubotu> nethack-qt: Text-based/Qt overhead view D&D-style adventure game. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.4.3-8ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 937 kB, installed size 2092 kB
[03:46] <angasule> LjL: have you tried it? :P
[03:46] <LjL> angasule: i don't have to try it to know it's heresy :P
[03:46] <Uni> stefan, you wouldn't happen to be the stefan who works at codesourcery would you?
[03:46] <bLaZeD> how can i remove a sym link in cli...i tried to rm -rf the file and it says i cant
[03:46] <angasule> LjL: set the console to green on black and watch The Matrix in ASCII, it's a religious experience, I tell you!
[03:47] <LjL> angasule: i would, but i'm busy listening to a novel in morse
[03:47] <flaccid> bLaZeD: what is the error?
[03:47] <angasule> :P
[03:47] <bLaZeD> [enemy@glass public_html] $ rm -rf etmain/
[03:47] <bLaZeD> rm: cannot remove `etmain/': Not a directory
[03:48] <bLaZeD> i created it with ln -s
[03:48] <flaccid> bLaZeD: remove the / at the end
[03:48] <flaccid> the / indicates the directory. omitting it indicates the file or symlink
[03:48] <bLaZeD> omg sorry for wasting ya time
[03:48] <bLaZeD> lol
[03:48] <bLaZeD> :-)
[03:48] <flaccid> no. that tripped me out for months because of tab complete back in the day...
[03:48] <flaccid> :)
[03:49] <flaccid> now i am bored
[03:49] <flaccid> eating sushi
[03:49] <flaccid> yay
[03:50] <bLaZeD> hehe
[03:51] <AlexLibman> sushi rules
[03:52] <flaccid> this is really good sushi, cept they ran out of salmon rolls
[03:53] <VanessaE> (just fyi, I just deleted my .gimp-2.2 directory just to make sure no settings were getting screwed up... didn't help)
[03:55] <VanessaE> just tried it with another image (something from my camera)...  same problem there too.
[03:55] <Admiral_Chicago> VanessaE: what did you just try?
[03:55] <VanessaE> Admiral: trying to print an image with The GIMP..
[03:55] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i see
[03:55] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, maybe a bug report
[03:55] <VanessaE> when I tell it portrait, it prints landscape, and vice-versa
[03:56] <Admiral_Chicago> !bug
[03:56] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:56] <flaccid> VanessaE: its either gimp, or your print server
[03:56] <VanessaE> thing is, it works on my husband's box, which goes through the server also.
[03:56] <flaccid> VanessaE: what is the dif between your box and your husbands then?
[03:57] <VanessaE> hardware-wise, just a different video card.  Software size, not sure (both run edgy and are up to date)
[03:57] <flaccid> very hard to troubleshoot
[03:57] <flaccid> try using the same cupsd.conf
[03:57] <VanessaE> I can print from KDE's printer setup - the test page comes out just fine
[03:58] <flaccid> you could have different local print system configurations..
[03:58] <VanessaE> possibly - but both machines dump to .....wait as sec
[03:58] <Admiral_Chicago> my keyboard stopped responding on Dapper, any ideas? Kdm works, but nothing past it
[03:58] <VanessaE> Opera's doing it too...
[03:58] <VanessaE> wtf?
[03:59] <_kuja_> admiral_chicago, so I'm assuming it works fine in the terminal also ... try changing the region of the keyhboard in systemsettings, if you can get there
[03:59] <Admiral_Chicago> _kuja_: i'll try
[04:00] <flaccid> VanessaE: it does to to the local print system first you know..
[04:01] <VanessaE> yep I know..checking the settings there now.
[04:01] <flaccid> Admiral_Chicago: there is some bugs on that. not sure if its the same. tried a different user or new login ?
[04:01] <VanessaE> the "printer" on the local system is just a 'raw' queue, since I'm letting my server handle the grunt work
[04:01] <Admiral_Chicago> flaccid: different login? tty?
[04:01] <flaccid> VanessaE: yes but its probably differnt cupsd.conf to your husband
[04:01] <VanessaE> right
[04:02] <flaccid> Admiral_Chicago: i'd adduser test then login in kdm with test. quick of seeing if the problem lies in ~/somewhere
[04:02] <weswh-> i have an Athlon 2500+, should i install ardour-gtk, or ardour-gtk-i686?
[04:02] <VanessaE> I might have fixed it...
[04:02] <Admiral_Chicago> flaccid: i'll try that next, it's on a different bok
[04:02] <flaccid> ok
[04:03] <VanessaE> The "margins" page in the print setup was showing a landscape image even though it was set for portrait... tried switching landscape/portrait a couple of times, left it back on portrait, hit OK, then went back in.  Now it looks right and the printout is correct.
[04:04] <VanessaE> (in KDE control center : Printers -> Instances -> Settings -> Margins )
[04:04] <flaccid> VanessaE: just one of those things i guess. one of those things that really gets to ya
[04:04] <RoKFiT> what's going on people?
[04:04] <VanessaE> yeah
[04:04] <flaccid> .. if it doesn't fix heh
[04:05] <VanessaE> very weird..
[04:05] <Admiral_Chicago> _kuja_: nothing, flaccid will attempt you approach later
[04:05] <Admiral_Chicago> gotta run
[04:06] <flaccid> cya
[04:08] <RoKFiT> is there a cedega installer in repos
[04:09] <flaccid> cedega is not free
[04:10] <flaccid> and not in repos
[04:11] <RoKFiT> i know, but the .deb file is not installing for me
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago> RoKFiT: sudo dpkg -i cedega.deb
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago> that's the command
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago> afk
[04:11] <flaccid> what is the error, RoKFiT?
[04:11] <RoKFiT> nothing, ark just opens with nothing in it
[04:12] <flaccid> have you tried installing it?
[04:12] <RoKFiT> with Admiral_Chicago's method?
[04:12] <Jucato> RoKFiT: don't click on it in Konqueror. right-click -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install Package
[04:12] <flaccid> yes
[04:12] <flaccid> or Jucatos
[04:13] <RoKFiT> yes now it says errors were encountered when trying to install .deb something
[04:13] <Jucato> Ark doesn't install .deb because it's not an installer. :)
[04:13] <RoKFiT> it says errors installing
[04:13] <Jucato> RoKFiT: use pastebin to show the errors
[04:14] <claydoh> dang cedega needs on or more deps installed, but i can't remember which
[04:14] <RoKFiT> dpkg-deb: unexpected end of file in version number in /home/brandon/Desktop/cedega-small_5.2.3_all.deb
[04:14] <RoKFiT> i can't copy it
[04:14] <flaccid> ark can usually open .deb packages. maybe the package is stuffed
[04:15] <RoKFiT> Jucato: i can't copy the text from the install terminal
[04:15] <claydoh> RoKFiT: if its highlighted, it is copied
[04:15] <tato_> yes now it says errors were encountered when trying to install .deb someth
[04:15] <Jucato> RoKFiT: highlight the text, then right-click Copy?
[04:15] <RoKFiT> one minute
[04:16] <RoKFiT> http://pastebin.ca/277341
[04:16] <claydoh> Jucato: the installer doesn't have any right-click options
[04:16] <Jucato> oh
[04:16] <claydoh> but once highlighted, it is copied
[04:17] <Jucato> yeah, X thingy :)
[04:17] <Jucato> hm.. strange error.. not very helpful
[04:17] <RoKFiT> yeah i can't copy from x thingy?
[04:17] <flaccid> package is most likely chopped
[04:17] <claydoh> iether need python-gtk2
[04:17] <RoKFiT> meaning?
[04:17] <claydoh> or
[04:18] <Jucato> RoKFiT: by default, when you highlight something, it's copied into X's clipboard. you can paste it normally, or press the middle mouse button to paste
[04:18] <claydoh> to paste, justctrl-v after highlighting the selected text
[04:18] <flaccid> meaning its corrupted, not the full thing was copied, hash doesn't match etc.
[04:18] <RoKFiT> okay, thanks
[04:18] <dennister> hey ppl...i really need some help tonight: can't log into x except as root
[04:18] <claydoh> or possibly  python-glade
[04:19] <RoKFiT> python-gtk2 installed
[04:19] <flaccid> dennister: have you checked logs?
[04:19] <RoKFiT> glade-1.2 or glade2?
[04:19] <dennister> yes, kernel event issues, permission denied on /dev/null...host of other issues i don't know how to fix
[04:20] <larson9999> bed time
[04:20] <flaccid> dennister: if you create a newuser and log in with that, does it work
[04:20] <claydoh> prob glade2
[04:20] <_kuja_> bed time? what's that :P
[04:21] <dennister> haven't tried that yet...but will...hate being in as root :(
[04:21] <flaccid> yeah it sux. if the new user can log in. would be easier to migrate your profile to the new user
[04:22] <flaccid> unless you wanna spend hours on it.
[04:22] <dennister> i don't, but i've got to cause other two users are me and mythtv, which i just got reinstalled with new tuner
[04:22] <RoKFiT> brandon@brandon-desktop, how can I rename brandon-desktop?
[04:22] <dennister> nice to see u back flaccid :)
[04:23] <flaccid> hehe thanks dennister. been very busy at work
[04:23] <claydoh> RoKFiT: in System Settings, in the networking section
[04:23] <RoKFiT> thanks
[04:23] <flaccid> even though i'm at work atm heh
[04:24] <flaccid> mythtv set up on ubuntu sux asss
[04:24] <dennister> lol...i remember you got a new job; is it going well, d\ya think?
[04:24] <RoKFiT> flaccid, use tvtime
[04:24] <flaccid> yeah kqemu would be good Alex
[04:24] <flaccid> yeah I use it RoKFiT. but would like to try mythtv coz of the hype
[04:25] <flaccid> yeah no job rox
[04:25] <dennister> well i did have mythtv working...then found out ir blaster on that model could never transmit, now i have a different, more powerful model
[04:25] <RoKFiT> same here, i want to give it a try
[04:25] <flaccid> boss aint even here atm. doing goverment client work. 'i was hacking a goverment site yesterday'
[04:25] <dennister> and it was almost perfect here...till i got this x problem
[04:26] <dennister> heheheh...to get paid to hack...heaven
[04:26] <flaccid> i need a digital tv tuner that is linux friendly, has 2 tuners, is usb and is small. suggestions?
[04:26] <RoKFiT> flaccid, doesn't ati make an external usb video card?
[04:26] <dennister> well, hauppauge 150 is linux favourite...ivtv drivers, but edgy makes ivtv easy
[04:26] <flaccid> RoKFiT: no idea
[04:26] <flaccid> dennister: can you link me?
[04:27] <Jucato> "can you link me?"
[04:27] <flaccid> heheh
[04:27] <dennister> hold on a sec
[04:28] <flaccid> nah hes a 403
[04:28] <Jucato> lol
[04:28] <dennister> http://www.hauppauge.com/
[04:28] <dennister> do NOT get the 250 or 350 models tho...make sure it's 'newer' 150 model based
[04:29] <dennister> or get a tuner that's not ivtv-driver-based at all, and you'll have more choices in terms of tvapplications
[04:30] <flaccid> dennister: you can't get that in usb
[04:30] <dennister> e.g. xawtv, motv, tvtime, kdetv....none work with ivtv cards...usb tuners don't work well with linux period
[04:30] <flaccid> oh my bqad
[04:30] <flaccid> its the 150 in the usb
[04:31] <flaccid> WinTV-PVR-USB2
[04:31] <flaccid> http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvrusb2.html
[04:31] <dennister> be VERRYY careful buying usb-type tuners
[04:31] <dennister> do u have to have usb?
[04:31] <flaccid> yeah coz i want it for mobile purposes
[04:32] <dennister> oh dear...hold on
[04:32] <RoKFiT> how can i install cedega?
[04:32] <flaccid> why be careful
[04:32] <RoKFiT> compile it?
[04:33] <claydoh> RoKFiT: there are how-to's but the code you can compile does not contain all the features of the cedega binary
[04:33] <flaccid> RoKFiT: read the manual
[04:33] <flaccid> bbs
[04:34] <claydoh> If you bought cedega, compiling the code is a step backwards in this case
[04:34] <RoKFiT> yeah but the installer isn't working
[04:34] <claydoh> compiling is harder
[04:35] <claydoh> you should pastebin the errors given,
[04:35] <claydoh> when trying to install it
[04:35] <claydoh> where did you get it from?
[04:35] <RoKFiT> so you're saying try to compile it and pastebin those errors?
[04:35] <RoKFiT> because i just pastebined the .deb installer errors
[04:35] <claydoh> no paste the errors from installing the .deb
[04:36] <dennister> flaccid: this may take a while to find the list of tested cards
[04:36] <RoKFiT> claydoh: http://pastebin.ca/277341
[04:36] <claydoh> RoKFiT: i don't see a link to it...
[04:36] <claydoh> ahh
[04:36] <claydoh> bad download
[04:36] <RoKFiT> it was a bad download?
[04:37] <claydoh> I woulfd say so
[04:37] <claydoh> whered you get it from?
[04:37] <claydoh> ahh hold on
[04:37] <claydoh> you need to make sure in the command you have the full name of the deb file
[04:38] <dennister> flaccid: u here or away? i found something for u
[04:38] <claydoh> it nedds to look likethis: 'sudo dpkg -i cedega-small_5.2.3_all.deb' or whatever the actual filename is
[04:38] <Jucato> RoKFiT: sudo dpkg -i [type in a few letters of the deb file then press Tab]
[04:39] <claydoh> if it is warez version of cedega you are on your own :)
[04:39] <RoKFiT> setting up cedega-small
[04:40] <RoKFiT> ...  now nothing
[04:40] <claydoh> itll take a sec
[04:40] <RoKFiT> okay
[04:40] <RoKFiT> can i lower the dpi of my mouse?
[04:41] <shinobi2> anyone have kubuntu on a mac?
[04:42] <dennister> flaccid: Hauppauge does make a Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T USB2 that supposedly works with mythtv..mythtv's list of supported cards is at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Video_capture_cards
[04:42] <jpiccolo> gentoo still installing
[04:42] <jpiccolo> arg
[04:43] <Rob-West> can someone help me install vncviewer
[04:44] <Rob-West> apt-get install vncviewer doesnt work
[04:44] <RoKFiT> no, yeah, this cedega installer isn't installing
[04:45] <RoKFiT> Jucato:
[04:45] <Jucato> RoKFiT: only reason I see is that the package is corrupted
[04:45] <Rob-West> !vncviewer
[04:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vncviewer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:45] <claydoh> does it give a different error?
[04:46] <RoKFiT> it says Setting up cedega-small, then goes to my regular terminal line
[04:46] <RoKFiT> brandon@smith:~/Desktop$
[04:46] <jpiccolo> cedega offers support
[04:46] <RoKFiT> i'll try the forums
[04:47] <RoKFiT> does anyone know how to change the dpi of a mouse?
[04:47] <Rob-West> can someone help me install vncviewer
[04:47] <RoKFiT> 2000dpi is way way way too fast
[04:47] <jpiccolo> have you tried changing pointer acceration?
[04:47] <RoKFiT> yes, they both are as low as they go
[04:50] <claydoh> that should mean it installed if it gave no errors
[04:50] <claydoh> tho it won't show up in your menu until you logout/in
[04:51] <claydoh> or wait a while
[04:51] <Rob-West> whats the VNC port
[04:52] <claydoh> but if you type in 'cedega' in a terminal or in the Run Command dialog, it should open up
[04:53] <Red-Sox> Is there a screensaver that shows me what's now playing in Amarok
[04:54] <_kuja_> red -sox, I don't think so
[04:54] <dennister> test
[04:54] <dennister> test
[04:56] <bobdediego> test
[04:57] <claydoh> Red-Sox: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=46488
[04:57] <claydoh> might work for you
[04:58] <Rob-West> i can VNC into my little brothers PC
[04:59] <Rob-West> cant*
[05:00] <weswh-> i have an Athlon 2500+, should i install ardour-gtk, or ardour-gtk-i686?
[05:00] <bobdediego> ardour-gtk
[05:00] <bobdediego> I686 its for two cores cpu
[05:00] <bobdediego> s
[05:02] <dennister> could someone let flaccid know about the links/tuner info i posted for him^^?
[05:03] <dennister> i gotta go reboot and see if my problem's fixed
[05:04] <nixternal> anyone, at the command line (konsole) type:    grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo | sed -e 's/.*: //' | awk '{print $1,$3,$4}'
[05:04] <nixternal> let me know what you get please
[05:05] <jpiccolo> i get
[05:05] <jpiccolo> AMD 64 X2
[05:05] <nixternal> cat /proc/cpuinfo    <-- how about that?
[05:06] <nixternal> im glad you tried that with a x2
[05:06] <bobdediego> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz
[05:06] <jpiccolo> you want all that?
[05:06] <nixternal> thanks
[05:06] <nixternal> no jpiccolo , just the model name
[05:06] <nixternal> sorry, i should have said grep
[05:06] <Dr_willis> Z80 X1\
[05:06] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:06] <jpiccolo> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+
[05:07] <nixternal> rocking..thanks
[05:07] <jpiccolo> np
[05:07] <bobdediego> :)
[05:07] <nixternal> time to get new hardware..make coding stuff easier for all platforms :)
[05:08] <bobdediego> indeed
[05:09] <flaccid> thanks dennister
[05:09] <Red-Sox> How does one install flash for konq?
[05:13] <jasey> hi there, id just like to know how one could disable icons in menus and such. thank ya in advance
[05:14] <flaccid> give google a try Red-Sox
[05:14] <flaccid> its just a symlink i believe
[05:14] <_kuja_> jasey, right click on the kmenu icon, configure kmenu
[05:14] <_kuja_> might be in there ...
[05:15] <_kuja_> **menu editor
[05:15] <jasey> would not that just configure the k menu
[05:15] <jasey> i mean every menu
[05:15] <jasey> toolbar menus, right click menu, the works
[05:15] <_kuja_> Hmm, nope, it's elsewhere
[05:15] <bobdediego> go to system settings
[05:15] <dennister> hey ppl
[05:15] <_kuja_> desktop in system settings
[05:15] <bobdediego> indeed
[05:15] <bobdediego> hiya dennister
[05:15] <jasey> oki doki
[05:16] <jasey> under behaviour?
[05:16] <dennister> still can't start x, except as root in recovery mode...one problem is kernel event manager can't start at boot
[05:16] <_kuja_> I'm not seeing it there either .... gah
[05:16] <bobdediego> under Appearance I think
[05:16] <jasey> ive looked in there
[05:16] <_kuja_> right click the panel, configure panel
[05:17] <dennister> nor is the system services module present in system settings...at least not for root
[05:17] <Skeez187> There are a bunch of screensavers that only play when I choose the "random" option, how do I make them show upin the actual list of screensavers?
[05:17] <_kuja_> it's under the panels appearance menu
[05:17] <dennister> this is one helluva problem
[05:18] <jasey> where, _kuja_ ??
[05:18] <_kuja_> right click on the panel, configure panel, click on appearance, there should be a checkbox for showing the side image in the menu
[05:18] <bobdediego> what exactly do you need to change?
[05:18] <jasey> i dont care about the k menu
[05:18] <jasey> im talking about icons that appear in menus, any menus
[05:19] <jasey> right click menus, toolbar menus, etc etc
[05:19] <bobdediego> that must be definitely on System Settings
[05:19] <bobdediego> double check please
[05:19] <jasey> stupid little pictures of clipboards next to Paste and stars and pieces of paper next to New and spanners next to Configure blah blah blah
[05:19] <jasey> ive doubled checked that and kcontrol, no module seems to control it
[05:19] <bobdediego> humm
[05:20] <bobdediego> then I dunno my friend
[05:20] <jasey> im thinking some obscure configuration file may control it..
[05:20] <bobdediego> hhahahha
[05:20] <jasey> as with everything lol
[05:20] <bulwynkl> !LVM
[05:20] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[05:20] <bobdediego> i feel ya
[05:20] <_kuja_> jasey, are you sure the one I pointed you to doesn't turn that off as well? It would require an application restart to take effect if it's the one
[05:21] <jasey> no, it just affects the k menu. the module is, after all, all about the panels and not the widgets
[05:22] <_kuja_> Well, I really doubt we'll have any luck finding anything in system settings, it's crippled by comparison with kcontrol anyway
[05:22] <jasey> i know, why we have it is beyond me
[05:23] <jasey> thats why i use kcontrol anyway
[05:23] <jasey> if i were to accurately describe how i want menus to look like, i would have to compare it to Windows 98/Me/2000 (whereby having icons in menus is a mortal sin)
[05:24] <bulwynkl> media path question... default path for e.g. kubuntu install CD is /cdrom, I have a CDRW that seems to want to mount in /cdrw and DVDRW that wants to mount in /dvdrw.... OR
[05:24] <_kuja_> Try going to appearance -> style
[05:24] <jasey> tried it
[05:24] <bobdediego> ...we need a handbook....or the Bible, LOL
[05:25] <bulwynkl> DVDrw that mounts as /cdrom but is somewhat broken and doesn't want to recognise CDs (only DVDs) so looking in cdrom0 is not working, but cdrom1 is not the right location...
[05:25] <momal> How can I force a device to become unbusy?? | umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy | It wont let me eject the cdrom. How can i force it to become unbusy.. I don't seem to have anything up using it.
[05:25] <bobdediego> reboot?
[05:25] <momal> without rebooting
[05:25] <jasey> unmount it ?
[05:25] <bobdediego> damn
[05:25] <bobdediego> :(
[05:25] <bobdediego> got me there
[05:26] <_kuja_> sudo umount /media/cdrom0
[05:26] <_kuja_> ?
[05:26] <bobdediego> that should do it
[05:26] <momal> still says its busy
[05:26] <jasey> if not, make sure a process isnt using the disc drive
[05:26] <jasey> use system guard and see what process is most likely using it
[05:26] <_kuja_> sudo fuser -ck /media/cdrom0
[05:26] <bobdediego> and kill it
[05:26] <_kuja_> ?
[05:27] <jasey> and if youre trying to unmount while the terminal's working path is /media/cdrom, theres another problem :P
[05:27] <abattoir> momal: are you in /cdrom while trying to umount it?
[05:27] <momal> nope
[05:27] <abattoir> :P
[05:27] <momal> i closed everything that seems to be using it
[05:27] <abattoir>  /media/cdrom?
[05:27] <momal> nope not in it
[05:28] <Skeez187> There are a bunch of screensavers that only play when I choose the "random" option, how do I make them show up in the actual list of screensavers?
[05:28] <momal> screw it just going to have to reboot
[05:28] <bobdediego> see?, reboot....magic :)
[05:29] <_kuja_> fuser usually works for killing the processes that don't want to die that are accessing the cd drive.... always did for me anyway
[05:30] <jasey> Skeez187: an easy way would be to install xscreensaver which comes with a better screensaver configuration utility than kde's one... but then of course everything gets mucked up cos you have too many screensaver managers lol
[05:30] <bobdediego> fuser works, ya, but that gus had something different running i think
[05:30] <bobdediego> guy*
[05:31] <Skeez187> Hmmm
[05:31] <jasey> but yes, xscreensaver's configuration utility is just better in general to both the gnome and kde ones :)
[05:32] <Skeez187> Im installing it now
[05:32] <bobdediego> now, I have a question
[05:32] <bobdediego> is there a theme manager for kubuntu?
[05:32] <RoKFiT> i'm trying to install razertool_amd64.deb and it says Unpacking replacement razertool...  Setting up razertool... Press <enter> to exit..., I press enter and nothing happens, what should I do?
[05:33] <jasey> in terms of what kind of theme?
[05:33] <_kuja_> bobdiego, kcontrol -> appearance -> themes?
[05:33] <jasey> lol
[05:33] <Skeez187> Thanks a lot jasey, you solved my problem
[05:33] <bobdediego> is not there, already checked, on Mepis there is one but on Kubuntu seems to be not there
[05:34] <bobdediego> sorry for the n00b question :)
[05:34] <jasey> no worries Skeez187. just for a bit of trivia, xscreensaver was the manager on ubuntu 5.10 :) why they changed is beyond my comprehension
[05:34] <jasey> it should be there in kcontrol =\
[05:34] <_kuja_> you are in kcontrol and not systemsettings, right?
[05:34] <jasey> systemsettings is rubbish. open kmenueditor and change the command to kcontrol >_> lol
[05:34] <_kuja_> Why that's not in systemsettings is beyond me, but it _is_ in kcontrol
[05:34] <Skeez187> Yeah the one in Dapper doesnt even show the other 50 screensavers available
[05:35] <Skeez187> They should have kept xscreensaver
[05:35] <jasey> yeah they should have
[05:35] <bobdediego> under Appearance I have: Colors, Fonts, GTK Styles and Fonts, Font Installer, Icons, Style and Window Decorations...missing Themes
[05:36] <jasey> what we should do is put in Feisty's launchpad specs page is "get rid of that systemsettings rubbish, put kcontrol back where it belongs"
[05:37] <bobdediego>  under Appearance I have: Colors, Fonts, GTK Styles and Fonts, Font Installer, Icons, Style and Window Decorations...missing Themes
[05:37] <bobdediego> thats what I get from there
[05:37] <jasey> unusual :S
[05:37] <_kuja_> I do believe they're planning to do a _lot_ moreusability work on the currently rather unusable systemsettings
[05:38] <bobdediego> they should
[05:38] <jasey> systemsettings is just confusing lol. nothing is where it should be.
[05:38] <bobdediego> Mepis in that matter is better
[05:38] <bobdediego> but I will not wipe my HDD again , hehe
[05:38] <jasey> lol
[05:38] <bobdediego> lol
[05:39] <_kuja_> here's what it looks like for me: http://images.xnowherex.net/screenshots/themes.jpg
[05:39] <jasey> pretty
[05:40] <bobdediego> is that on Kubuntu kuja?
[05:40] <_kuja_> Yeah
[05:40] <bobdediego> damn
[05:40] <jasey> i would say it is, if hes on a kubuntu channel ^^
[05:40] <bobdediego> what did u install to get that config?
[05:41] <jasey> that comes as part of kubuntu-desktop
[05:41] <bobdediego> LOL
[05:41] <bobdediego> I know
[05:41] <_kuja_> a part of kde-base at that
[05:41] <jasey> oh
[05:41] <bobdediego> dumb question
[05:41] <jasey> lol
[05:41] <jasey> brb
[05:41] <jasey> gotta uninstall beryl, it keeps mucking up the konversation text buffer :(
[05:41] <bobdediego> k
[05:42] <jasey> oh this is nice... better :)
[05:42] <_kuja_> which reminds me ... I need to get around to finding aquamarine, if it's in a usable state
[05:43] <jasey> trevino's repositories have it
[05:44] <malik__> !aquamarine
[05:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aquamarine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:44] <_kuja_> and what line would I need to add to my sources.list for trevino's repository? what arch's does it support?
[05:44] <jasey> it supports 32 bit and amd
[05:44] <whisky> ?
[05:45] <jasey> deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb edgy beryl-svn
[05:45] <bobdediego> http://bob.pcpanama.com/Fotos/snapshot4.jpg
[05:45] <bobdediego> check that out
[05:45] <bobdediego> that is what I get on Appearance
[05:45] <jasey> use with extreme caution, aquamarine crashes more than drunk drivers on a friday night
[05:45] <_kuja_> eee, I was beginning to get that impression when I googled it
[05:46] <jasey> thats not kcontrol to begin with
[05:46] <jasey> thats systemsettings
[05:46] <bobdediego> butuuuuuuuuuum
[05:46] <bobdediego> hahahahaha
[05:46] <_kuja_> bobdiego: hit alt+f2, type in kcontrol, hit enter.
[05:46] <jasey> click the k menu, click run command, and enter kcontrol :P
[05:46] <bobdediego> ok
[05:46] <jasey> ya that too lol
[05:47] <bobdediego> holy command
[05:47] <kkathman> kcontrol = much better :)
[05:47] <bobdediego> hehehehe
[05:47] <kkathman> hehe
[05:47] <jasey> and if you ever feel adventurous, open the kmenu editor, and change the command for the System Settings entry from whatever it is to kcontrol ^^
[05:47] <kkathman> very good idea in fact
[05:47] <RoKFiT> can anyone help me change the permission of my mouse?
[05:48] <bobdediego> making some changes at this moment :O
[05:48] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, whatever do you mean?
[05:49] <RoKFiT> i downloaded and installed razertool-gtk and it says that i may need to change the permission of the device
[05:49] <jasey> tried running the program as sudo?
[05:49] <_kuja_> sudo chmod (whateveryouneeditchangedto) /dev/input/mice
[05:50] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: 777?
[05:50] <jasey> lol
[05:51] <_kuja_> that'll probably do it
[05:51] <RoKFiT> i seriously don't know
[05:51] <jasey> and like i say, try that tool as sudo
[05:51] <jasey> often those programs urge you to change the permissions of everything when all it REALLY wants is to be run as root
[05:51] <_kuja_> Be right back, I need to get myself some MD before any more blood leaks into my caffeine stream
[05:52] <jasey> lol
[05:52] <RoKFiT> there was an error communicating with the device: Operation not permitted   You may need to change the permissions of the device (see the README)
[05:52] <bobdediego> now, this is nice
[05:52] <RoKFiT> any ideas?
[05:52] <jasey> have you seen the readme? lol
[05:55] <_kuja_> Mmmmmm, caffeinated
[05:56] <jasey> woo
[05:58] <RoKFiT> how do i restart udev?
[05:58] <_kuja_> sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart, probably
[05:58] <RoKFiT> will that restart the computer?
[05:59] <_kuja_> No
[05:59] <RoKFiT> YES IT WORKED!!!!
[05:59] <RoKFiT> HAHAHAH
[05:59] <RoKFiT> TOO HAPPY!!!!
[05:59] <RoKFiT> that was awesome!!!
[06:00] <Admiral_Chicago> !wifi
[06:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:00] <_kuja_> hehehe
[06:01] <Admiral_Chicago> flaccid: ping
[06:01] <RoKFiT> I LOVE YOU WORLD!!!
[06:01] <flaccid> hello
[06:02] <flaccid> ping?
[06:02] <_kuja_> yM inmd si ras.clebdm
[06:02] <RoKFiT> IT'S SO SMOOTH!!!
[06:02] <jasey> what is??
[06:02] <RoKFiT> my razer mouse
[06:02] <RoKFiT> the razer mouse
[06:02] <jasey> oh :)
[06:03] <RoKFiT> the DPI was way too high and i finally got the razertool-gtk working
[06:03] <RoKFiT> and its sooooo smooth
[06:03] <RoKFiT> i love this mouse!
[06:03] <jasey> im glad you have it working how you like it :D
[06:03] <wheatie> \o/
[06:03] <_kuja_> I contemplated buying one of those, then I decided I wanted to save my money for something else, so I spent the extra money on a keyboard :)
[06:03] <RoKFiT> thank you jasey
[06:03] <ichido> hello
[06:03] <jasey> no worries. if only my mouse would behave how i want it. lol.
[06:03] <jasey> hi there :)
[06:04] <_kuja_> helloooooooo
[06:05] <RoKFiT> why would anyone even want a 2000 dpi in this day and age
[06:05] <RoKFiT> its WAY too powerful
[06:05] <RoKFiT> or way too high dpi
[06:05] <_kuja_> super-duper precise work?
[06:06] <ichido> or pro gaming
[06:06] <RoKFiT> but it makes the mouse too fast
[06:06] <RoKFiT> maybe in linux
[06:06] <RoKFiT> i suppose for windows
[06:06] <RoKFiT> but even then there were mouse flaws
[06:06] <RoKFiT> like mouse wiggle
[06:07] <_kuja_> @pity 7 windows
[06:09] <ichido> slow night uh?
[06:09] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: what did you say?
[06:09] <_kuja_> you betcha
[06:10] <RoKFiT> yeah kinda slow
[06:10] <jasey> oh dont yawn, im so tired! lol
[06:10] <_kuja_> Sleep is for the weak.
[06:10] <RoKFiT> vlc is kinda jacked.  i liked kaffeine, but disliked compatability
[06:10] <RoKFiT> like the volume in vlc is annoying to adjust
[06:11] <ichido> i use kaffeine w/ the xine backend
[06:11] <jasey> vlc is an evil thing. but still. nice way to avoid downloading win32codecs.
[06:11] <_kuja_> I hear VLC will be switching to QT4 :)
[06:11] <jasey> oh hooray!
[06:11] <ichido> nice
[06:11] <jasey> better than that wxwidgets stuff lol
[06:11] <RoKFiT> yeah jasey, my kaffeine just like stopped working
[06:11] <jasey> i hope audacity follows suit o_o
[06:11] <ichido> audacity looks so outdated
[06:11] <jasey> yeah it does
[06:11] <_kuja_> Apparantly they had their fill of fighting wxwidgets to get it to do what they needed it to do.
[06:12] <jasey> it looks fine in Windows, but looks ugly on X
[06:12] <jasey> lol
[06:12] <ichido> i haven't tried it on windows
[06:12] <binary2k2> I just widh audacity used ALSA, don't care what it lookes like
[06:12] <binary2k2> *wish
[06:12] <bobdediego> well guy, gtg, thx for the advice, I already changed some stuff :P
[06:12] <jasey> me too
[06:12] <jasey> bye bye :)
[06:12] <bobdediego> take care
[06:12] <_kuja_> later bobdediego
[06:12] <RoKFiT> uh jasey
[06:12] <RoKFiT> do you know how to fix kaffeine
[06:13] <jasey> if i knew what was wrong with it, yeah
[06:13] <jasey> lol
[06:13] <RoKFiT> for me it won't open since i installed vlc and tried to install w32codecs
[06:13] <ichido> lol
[06:13] <RoKFiT> it just doesn't open
[06:13] <jasey> run it from konsole and see what error messages it brings
[06:13] <_kuja_> try to open it in a terminal
[06:13] <RoKFiT> i did, and no errors came up
[06:13] <jasey> oh
[06:13] <RoKFiT> yeah shitty
[06:13] <_kuja_> interesting
[06:14] <jasey> try sudo apt-get install --reinstall kaffeine
[06:14] <kuto> hi
[06:14] <ichido> but app doesn't start or it doesn't play the vids?
[06:14] <jasey> i had a similar thing with amarok. a reinstall fixed it right up.
[06:14] <jasey> hi huto
[06:14] <jasey> kuto*
[06:14] <_kuja_> in that case, sudo apt-get install --reinstall kaffeine
[06:14] <ichido> hi kuto
[06:14] <jasey> echo :P
[06:14] <RoKFiT> and jasey do you know how to install the w32 codecs for 64
[06:15] <_kuja_> they won't work, you'll need a 32-bit player
[06:15] <RoKFiT> bogus
[06:15] <_kuja_> Or, better, use a more up to date player (assuming all you're looking for is wmv9 playback)
[06:15] <RoKFiT> so just use vlc for now?
[06:15] <jasey> i think i read somewhere people usually install win32codecs in a 32 bit installion of kubuntu and chroot into that one from the 64 bit version
[06:16] <_kuja_> You probably heard that a long time ago jasey, no need to resort to that now :)
[06:16] <RoKFiT> jasey that sounds way too complicated
[06:16] <jasey> oh yay
[06:16] <jasey> it isnt that complicated really. its just a major pain in the rhetorical bum.
[06:16] <RoKFiT> does it now?
[06:16] <RoKFiT> not*?
[06:16] <RoKFiT> hahah.
[06:16] <_kuja_> one moment
[06:16] <_kuja_> While I dig up one of the possibile solutions
[06:16] <jasey> woo hoo
[06:17] <binary2k2> chroots aren't complicated IMO, just a pain in the A$$
[06:17] <RoKFiT> yeah the machine is running smooth now, just no side panel on the case!
[06:17] <_kuja_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=188974
[06:17] <RoKFiT> do you guys use vlc?
[06:17] <ichido> in the mplayer homepage you have the 64 bits of the w32codecs to download
[06:17] <_kuja_> Dapper only
[06:17] <_kuja_> I have VLC, that doesn't mean I actually use it.
[06:17] <ichido> haven't tried them..... since I have a 32bit machine
[06:17] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: what do you use?
[06:18] <_kuja_> Either Kaffeine or Mplayer (any frontend will do), depending on my mood, the day of the week, which side of the bed I woke up on, and the weather.
[06:18] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: and are you 32bit?
[06:18] <_kuja_> No
[06:18] <jasey> yeah ive got vlc, just for windows media video. otherwise, its kaffeine all the way baby (looks at libxine seductively)
[06:19] <RoKFiT> do you use jasey's method of chrooting to a 32bit world
[06:19] <jasey> i dont do that lol
[06:19] <_kuja_> No, I haven't done that since Breezy
[06:19] <RoKFiT> oh
[06:19] <jasey> i just saw that on the ubuntu wiki, on the restrictedformats page
[06:19] <RoKFiT> why can't kaffeine just support wmv
[06:19] <_kuja_> It can
[06:19] <_kuja_> it will
[06:19] <RoKFiT> but why doesn't it by default
[06:20] <jasey> it does ^^
[06:20] <jasey> because its not a free format
[06:20] <_kuja_> The version in the repositories doesn't.
[06:20] <_kuja_> Microsoft Opened the specs on WMV9 because they plan on using it for something, like a DVD format or something
[06:20] <RoKFiT> see but i'm new, i need something simple
[06:20] <RoKFiT> install and work
[06:20] <RoKFiT> that is the kubuntu "idea"
[06:20] <jasey> lol
[06:20] <Jucato> RoKFiT: same reason Ubuntu doesn't have MP3 enabled by default
[06:21] <RoKFiT> whatever, i now know how to setup the majority of things, and i'm learning
[06:21] <RoKFiT> soon i'll have it memorized
[06:21] <RoKFiT> how many installs did it take you to remember simple things like how to mount a drive
[06:21] <RoKFiT> and edit fstab properly
[06:21] <_kuja_> As soon as the specs on WMV9 were opened, the FFMPEG devs implemented it, which means MPlayer, Xine, and others support it now.
[06:22] <RoKFiT> totem-xine was perfect under gnome for me
[06:22] <_kuja_> (Kaffeine uses Xine, another note, MPlayer 1.0RC1 and on has it implemented)
[06:22] <Jucato> _kuja_: of course, presuming that it will be opened in a way/license that is acceptable to the devs
[06:22] <jasey> kaffeine can use mplayer as well
[06:22] <_kuja_> via kmplayer
[06:22] <jasey> ya
[06:23] <gatsby> hey guys, its Admiral_Chicago here, anyone help with wireless
[06:23] <ichido> as soon as wmv9 is the standard they are going to change something so only they can use "propertary features" or whatever to screw everyone else
[06:23] <RoKFiT> so the all-in-one player i should be using is...
[06:23] <gatsby> the documetation isn't helping me much
[06:23] <RoKFiT> or what i should be using is... with... done....
[06:23] <_kuja_> ichido, but of course
[06:23] <gatsby> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=201902&highlight=4306+ndiswrapper
[06:23] <gatsby> is teh link i'm followinf
[06:24] <AngryElf> hey all -- i installed libxine-extracodecs, yet still, amarok doesn't like my mp3s......do i need to install something else?
[06:24] <Jucato> ok this is weird... there once was a vlc-qt package?
[06:24] <jasey> wow
[06:24] <_kuja_> RoKFiT ... mplayer 1.0RC1 would work ... with the KMPlayer frointend it actually wouldn't be too bad either
[06:24] <_kuja_> And seeing as you can make Kaffeine use KMPlayer as a backend, you can have the best of all worlds :)
[06:25] <jasey> yup
[06:25] <RoKFiT> awesome
[06:25] <flaccid> AngryElf: did you select the xine engine in amarok config
[06:25] <RoKFiT> now how do i do that?
[06:25] <gatsby> Jucato: can you help me out
[06:25] <gatsby> its Admiral_Chicago
[06:25] <jasey> sudo aptitude install kmplayer
[06:25] <Jucato> gatsby: sorry, can't. don't know anything about wireless stuff
[06:25] <Jucato> !vlc-qt hoary
[06:25] <AngryElf> flaccid, default setting -- but reselected anyways
[06:25] <gatsby> Jucato: this is my 1st too
[06:25] <RoKFiT> now what jasey?
[06:26] <ubotu> vlc-qt: Qt frontend for VLC (dummy legacy package). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), package size 0 kB, installed size 20 kB
[06:26] <malik__> AngryElf: have u installed w32codecs?
[06:26] <jasey> just a tick
[06:26] <flaccid> what is the error message, AngryElf?
[06:26] <_kuja_> http://mplayerhq.hu download mplayer 1.0RC1 ... you'll have to compile it yourself, that is, unless you can find an up-to-date repo for it. Edgy only has version 1.0-pre8
[06:26] <jasey> mp3 support isnt in win32codecs
[06:26] <AngryElf> unable to load some files
[06:26] <binary2k2> malik__: you don't need w32codecs for mp3
[06:26] <AngryElf> malik__, mplayer plays the files fine
[06:26] <malik__> okie sorry
[06:26] <binary2k2> ooh, kinda jumped on you there :p
[06:26] <AngryElf> sorry "some media could not be loaded (not playable)"
[06:27] <jasey> okay RoKFiT, after installing kmplayer and mplayer, open kaffeine (if you can), click Settings > Player Engine > Embedded MPlayer for KDE
[06:27] <malik__> amarok installs the support for mp3 by itself but some really old dodgy mp3 which were not properly made cant be plays
[06:27] <flaccid> AngryElf: does playing a wav or ogg vorg file with xine engine work?
[06:27] <malik__> i have same prob too...........but they are very few
[06:27] <jasey> RoKFiT: did you try reinstalling kaffeine at all in this time?
[06:27] <AngryElf> i actually don't have any :-/
[06:27] <binary2k2> malik__: that's only on edgy tho
[06:27] <flaccid> malik__: it doesn't
[06:27] <RoKFiT> jasey: yes i did and i just tried to open kaffeine, and it didn't open
[06:28] <jasey> oh
[06:28] <RoKFiT> is vlc messing with it?
[06:28] <whisky> hi
[06:28] <flaccid> AngryElf: did you search? i would just goto #amarok and get help from the experts
[06:28] <Jucato> RoKFiT: and what happens if you try to run in from the command line?
[06:28] <RoKFiT> nothing
[06:28] <_kuja_> RoKFiT: sudo apt-get remove --purge kaffeine && sudo apt-get install kaffeine
[06:28] <RoKFiT> just goes to the next line
[06:28] <Jucato> nothing launches?
[06:28] <whisky> kaffeine??
[06:28] <jasey> yeah, try kuja's idea
[06:28] <Jucato> very strange...
[06:28] <jasey> purging a bad config file may be the answer
[06:28] <malik__> AngryElf: are u usin edgy or?/
[06:29] <jasey> also, you could try this from Konsole: kaffeine --verbose
[06:29] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: done!
[06:29] <RoKFiT> now what
[06:29] <RoKFiT> start kaffeine
[06:29] <_kuja_> yup
[06:29] <AngryElf> malik__, dapper
[06:29] <RoKFiT> still no-go
[06:29] <_kuja_> VERY odd
[06:29] <RoKFiT> yeah!
[06:29] <jasey> try kaffeine --verbose in a terminal
[06:30] <malik__> ooh okie.........havew u tried files tab of the amarok to make it play those file?
[06:30] <jasey> it should give you debugging info when before it crashes :P
[06:30] <RoKFiT> nothing happens
[06:30] <_kuja_> RoKFiT: what version of KDE/Kaffeine are you using?
[06:30] <RoKFiT> goes to next line
[06:30] <RoKFiT> kde 3.5.5
[06:30] <flaccid> brb
[06:30] <RoKFiT> kaffeine i don't know
[06:30] <_kuja_> on Dapper, or on Edgy?
[06:30] <jasey> even with --verbose ? weird :(
[06:30] <RoKFiT> Edgy
[06:31] <_kuja_> weird indeed.
[06:31] <RoKFiT> candidate version 0.8.2-0ubuntu2
[06:31] <_kuja_> One moment while I piece somethign together
[06:31] <RoKFiT> okay
[06:31] <jasey> you havent got a mixed up sources.list do you
[06:31] <RoKFiT> i'm not sure
[06:31] <malik__> AngryElf: have u tried files tab of the amarok to make it play those file?
[06:31] <jasey> okay, i can safely assume no then lol
[06:32] <RoKFiT> i think i may have edited sources.list though
[06:32] <RoKFiT> but edited it back
[06:32] <RoKFiT> i enabled one repo that didn't work then i removed the line with a text editor
[06:32] <malik__> AngryElf: one more thing...........are those file present in ur collection tab in amarok?
[06:32] <RoKFiT> when attempting to install that w32 support for it
[06:33] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, while I'm wrting the script, can you enable the source repos in your sources.list (for  main and universe at least)
[06:33] <eilker> No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled // is this normal ?
[06:33] <AngryElf> oh neat -- it fixed itself all by its merry self
[06:33] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: yes
[06:34] <AngryElf> all while reading the news :-/
[06:34] <malik__> yea sometime it does that
[06:34] <AngryElf> thanx anyways! :)
[06:34] <jasey> lol
[06:34] <malik__> np mate
[06:34] <binary2k2> eilker: what's that error from?
[06:34] <jasey> xine must have just clicked, or something refreshed itself ^^
[06:34] <RoKFiT> all repos are enabled
[06:35] <flaccid> haha thats xine-ui for ya, AngryElf!!
[06:35] <eilker> binary2k2: it is from syslog  //localhost kernel
[06:35] <flaccid> heh xine-ui is so shite
[06:35] <jasey> absolutely
[06:35] <jasey> lol
[06:35] <flaccid> actually i think i mean xinelib
[06:35] <flaccid> well all of xine is wicked and then crap
[06:36] <binary2k2> eilker: can you pastebin a few lines before and after it?
[06:36] <binary2k2> !pastebin
[06:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:36] <AngryElf> while i'm here -- is there any way to have playlists stored in the database?
[06:37] <flaccid> sure is
[06:37] <flaccid> well yes iirc... read the amarok documentation
[06:38] <flaccid> sorry AngryElf: the collection database setting is in amarok config | collection
[06:38] <flaccid> sqlite, postgresl, mysql
[06:38] <eilker> binary2k2: it is in fifth line http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36777/
[06:38] <AngryElf> flaccid, yea, but by default that's only files, play count rating blah blah
[06:38] <AngryElf> not the playlists i create
[06:38] <malik__> AngryElf: try playlis tab
[06:41] <RoKFiT> where is _kuja_?
[06:41] <binary2k2> eilker: seems to be normal, I get that too
[06:41] <_kuja_> I'm working on it >.>
[06:41] <flaccid> oh, i don't think it does that yet, ask in #amarok
[06:41] <eilker> binary2k2: thank you very much for your interest, do u have this too // kdm_greet[5300] : Can't open default user face
[06:43] <_kuja_> !pastebin
[06:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:43] <binary2k2> eilker: I don't get that error, but I do get another kdm_greet error
[06:44] <eilker> binary2k2: :) i see
[06:44] <binary2k2> eilker: as long as your system boot, and is working, you don't need to worry too much about the errors :p
[06:45] <binary2k2> eilker: I get a strange error: "kdm_greet[18084] : Internal error: memory corruption detected" but KDM works find :p
[06:45] <binary2k2> (and memtest86 says everything is fine too)
[06:45] <eilker> binary2k2: i have it too:) the memory corruption
[06:46] <eilker> binary2k2: it boots slow...
[06:46] <jpiccolo> eww memory corruption
[06:46] <_kuja_> RoKFiT: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36778/
[06:46] <binary2k2> my system boots in 36 seconds, from poweron to KDM login :D
[06:46] <binary2k2> and this is on a 5 year old PC
[06:47] <_kuja_> not bad for an old one ... mine does it in 19s
[06:47] <eilker> binary2k2: i have lamp server, ftp server, vmware server,nessus server etc, it boots nearly 90 seconds :D
[06:47] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: run those commands individually?
[06:47] <binary2k2> well that's why then :p
[06:47] <eilker> binary2k2: ohh dhcp server too :D
[06:48] <_kuja_> You could do that, or you could dump it in a text file, chmod +x the file, and run it as a script
[06:48] <binary2k2> eilker: well the good thing about linux is you don't have to restart often
[06:48] <eilker> binary2k2: yess that is a great thing :)
[06:49] <binary2k2> the only reason I restarted last was to clean the dust out of the case :p
[06:49] <jpiccolo> up 14 days
[06:50] <Unknow2007> hello to all
[06:50] <_kuja_> hello
[06:50] <Unknow2007> where are you from Kuja?
[06:50] <binary2k2> 10 days so far, average for me is about 40 days, because I get board and compile a kernal :p
[06:51] <_kuja_> VA, US
[06:51] <Unknow2007> ok
[06:51] <jpiccolo> on your desktop pc or a server
[06:52] <binary2k2> desktop
[06:52] <Unknow2007> I have a question about aplication Mailer
[06:52] <Unknow2007> are have a program bulk mailer for linux
[06:52] <Unknow2007> ?
[06:53] <Unknow2007> ok
[06:53] <RoKFiT> okay _kuja_ what do i do now with that page?
[06:53] <_kuja_> With what page?
[06:53] <RoKFiT> the page you sent me with all the script
[06:53] <Unknow2007> and other people doesn't about?
[06:54] <RoKFiT> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36778/
[06:54] <RoKFiT> that one
[06:54] <_kuja_> Well, as we agreed, you can either run it one command at a time, or make a shell script out of it and have it do it all for you (recommended)
[06:55] <_kuja_> Mine just finished compiling :)
[06:55] <RoKFiT> okay
[06:55] <RoKFiT> from the "text" section
[06:56] <Unknow2007> Somebody knows to say me, where I find a program that's bulk mailer?
[06:56] <Unknow2007> for linux
[06:57] <matthew> Unknow2007, nobody likes spam.
[06:57] <_kuja_> To make it a shell script: make a new file in kate, call it script.sh, copy the text in and save it, chmod +x script.sh, bash script.sh
[06:57] <binary2k2> !repeat | Unknow2007
[06:57] <ubotu> Unknow2007: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[06:58] <Unknow2007> ok ubotu, and binary2k2
[06:58] <Unknow2007> ok matthew
[06:59] <matthew> Unknow2007, I'm sorry if you aren't going to send spam, but bulk mail, in my mind, is automatically spam.
[07:00] <_kuja_> well, newsletters could be considered bulk ... some of them are worth my time.
[07:00] <binary2k2> matthew, it could be for mailing lists
[07:00] <Unknow2007> understand you matthew. Don't question about it again.
[07:00] <Unknow2007> yes binary, it's mailing lists sender.
[07:00] <matthew> Unknow2007, sorry, my bad.
[07:00] <binary2k2> Unknow2007: you could ask in the general linux channel ##linux
[07:01] <Unknow2007> yes Kuja, I think so.
[07:02] <_kuja_> RoKFiT, how's that script going for you?
[07:03] <Endler> I seem to have lost the icons that normally appear to the left of each shutdown option.  Buttons and text (Shutdown, reboot, etc.) are all there, but no icons on the left.
[07:03] <Endler> Icons are working normally everywhere else.
[07:04] <_kuja_> Endler: weird, have you done anything recently that you think might have affected it?
[07:05] <Endler> Well, it's not my system.  I set it up but don't use it too often.  I did change the icon theme, but it's the same one I use on all my other machines, and icons still appear on the shutdown menus of all those machines.
[07:05] <RoKFiT> _kuja_: i'm going to do it in a minute
[07:05] <RoKFiT> possibly tomorrow
[07:06] <RoKFiT> i'm just about to watch a football match, aka soccer
[07:06] <_kuja_> endler, perhaps try changing the icon theme, take a look, then change it back?
[07:08] <Endler> I'm not on that machine right now, but I'll try that.  The really funny part is that icons work 100% in every other place, and the fact that that icon set defiantly includes the icons.
[07:09] <Endler> I thought maybe there was a place in kcontrol to say whether or not you want icons on the shutdown menu.  Not sure why anyone would want to turn them off just there though.
[07:09] <_kuja_> Yeah .l
[07:09] <_kuja_> **it's weird
[07:09] <RoKFiT> yeah _kuja_ thank you for the help, i'll bbl
[07:10] <Jucato> Endler: System Settings -> Appearance -> Style -> enable "Show icons on buttons" (may require a logout to take effect)
[07:12] <Endler> Hmm, you'd think that would apply system-wide, not just on the shutdown menu, but maybe it is any other places just aren't using icons on the buttons.
[07:13] <rocky123> hello everybody
[07:13] <rocky123> can anybody help me with video4linux
[07:13] <Jucato> Endler: you can check if other buttons like OK, Save, Cancel, Open, etc. have buttons on them
[07:15] <Endler> Maybe I just didn't notice because it only applies to KDE apps.
[07:15] <rocky123> can anybody tell me which version of video4linux is installed with the edgy kernel 2.6.10.-generic
[07:17] <xsacha> anyone know if kvm (will) supports 64-bit?
[07:17] <jpiccolo> do i need all the cds to install slack?
[07:18] <flaccid> i gtg
[07:18] <Jucato> jpiccolo: errr... wrong channel?
[07:19] <Endler> Hey, It's easy to do :)
[07:19] <jpiccolo> well i was just wondering
[07:20] <Endler> Esp if you use Konversaton and the scroll wheel a lot.   If you dip a little too low, it scrolls the chatroom tab, lol.
[07:21] <Jucato> yeah
[07:21] <jpiccolo> yeah amarok and kaffiene do that all the time to me
[07:22] <ichido> jpiccolo: I always used 1 cd only.. but I haven't installed one since slack 9.1
[07:22] <Endler> I don't think having the scroll wheel cycle though the tabs is such a good idea.  I'll bet you can turn that off somewhere though.
[07:23] <jpiccolo> ok, yeah will get cd 1 now, and other ones later if needed
[07:24] <Jucato> Endler: it's the default for all of KDE
[07:25] <musya> everytime i try and ssh into my machine it says connection refused, and i have ssh installed and my firewall settings are all fine what should i do? or try?
[07:25] <Endler> Oh, does that behavior every come in handy in any KDE app?
[07:25] <notech> is the ssh server running?
[07:25] <Endler> ever
[07:25] <Jucato> yes
[07:25] <Endler> Which ones?
[07:25] <Jucato> for me it does. Konqueror, desktop, even Konvi
[07:26] <Jucato> scroll wheel to cycle
[07:26] <Jucato> through stuff
[07:26] <Jucato> even works on the taskbar
[07:26] <DaveQB> musya nmap scan the machine to make sure port 22 is open for a start
[07:27] <Endler> Seems to me it would only be handy if the tabs themselves were not visible to go direct to them.
[07:27] <musya> DaveQBhow do i make sure its open? and how do i open the port?
[07:27] <notech> musya: netstat -natlp | grep ssh
[07:28] <Endler> May its just because I always have a zillion of everything open at the same time, and I don't want to see all the shit I'm not trying to get to fly by.
[07:28] <musya> notech: it still wont ssh, i did what you said
[07:28] <Endler> Might work better on more manable lists :)
[07:28] <DaveQB> musya  I was suggesting scanning from an the box your trying to connect FROM, but notech's idea will work
[07:29] <DaveQB> musya  what was the result ?
[07:29] <notech> musya: but did the command return anything?
[07:29] <musya> nope just gave me a new command line
[07:29] <Jucato> Endler: that's your choice, and you can click on the tabs. but sometimes I want to browse through the tabs in succession and I don't want to have to click on each one
[07:29] <notech> musya: the ssh server is not running then
[07:30] <musya> uh, how do i turn it on, i just typed in ssh and i got that it was installed but how do i start it?
[07:30] <notech> musya: that was run on the box you trying to ssh into, right?
[07:30] <musya> yea
[07:30] <binary2k2> musya: do you goe anything if you type "pidof sshd" ?
[07:30] <DaveQB> notech i didnt get anything either with that command, yet I am definately ssh in on the box I tried
[07:30] <notech> musya: i'm not sure of the ssh server package name for kubuntu, someone else will know
[07:31] <binary2k2> I think you need sudo before netstat
[07:31] <musya> binary2k2: no, just a new command line
[07:31] <musya> yea i did do sudo
[07:31] <Endler> I suppose it can be useful if you're actually doing it intentionally :D
[07:31] <DaveQB> its installed right ?
[07:32] <binary2k2> musya: try "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start"
[07:32] <musya> should i just look for a new ssh package?
[07:32] <musya> ok 1 sec
[07:32] <shan`> :S i screwed up
[07:32] <DaveQB> it should of started if not try binary2k2's command
[07:32] <shan`> lol
[07:32] <notech> DaveQB: wierd, wonder why netstat didn't show it
[07:32] <shan`> grub is looking at a windows install at hd0,0 which i deleted but i want it to look at another install which is at hd0,1
[07:33] <DaveQB> notech  not sure, I have hardly used netstat so cant say,
[07:33] <musya> binary2k2: i typed it in i got that the command was not found
[07:33] <DaveQB> a command i want to learn more
[07:33] <binary2k2> musya: what package did you install ?
[07:33] <DaveQB> musya  "sudo ls /etc/init.d/s*"
[07:33] <binary2k2> you don't nees sudo for "ls"
[07:34] <DaveQB> binary2k2  you might if the dir is 600
[07:34] <shan`> how do i edit grub?
[07:34] <Jucato> shan`: edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[07:34] <musya> DaveQB: i got this
[07:34] <musya> /etc/init.d/screen    /etc/init.d/skeleton        /etc/init.d/sysklogd
[07:34] <musya> /etc/init.d/sendsigs  /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd
[07:34] <musya> /etc/init.d/single    /etc/init.d/stop-readahead
[07:34] <Admiral_Chicago> i set up ndiswrapper wrong
[07:34] <binary2k2> DaveQB: but i know init.d isn't :p
[07:34] <musya> binary2k2: no i didnt install anything
[07:34] <DaveQB> shan`  sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst i think
[07:34] <Admiral_Chicago> is there a way i can just remove the data associated with it without removing the packagae?
[07:34] <DaveQB> musya  no ssh installed then
[07:34] <Admiral_Chicago> !pante | musya
[07:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pante - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:34] <DaveQB> musya  sudo apt-get install ssh
[07:34] <Admiral_Chicago> !paste | musya
[07:34] <ubotu> musya: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:34] <binary2k2> musya: sudo apt-get install ssh
[07:35] <binary2k2> musya: that will install ssh
[07:35] <DaveQB> yeah, what i said :)
[07:35] <musya> ok ill install it 1 sec, and sorry for flooding
[07:35] <notech> Admiral_Chicago: 3 lines of paste is too much here? the bot does that much quite often
[07:35] <DaveQB> you could of tried dpkg -l ssh musya but we have already proven its not installed
[07:36] <binary2k2> ^^ I was going to say that too
[07:36] <binary2k2> well dpkg -l | grep ssh
[07:37] <DaveQB> just dpkg -l ssh is fine though
[07:37] <Admiral_Chicago> didn't know how much you were using sorry
[07:37] <Endler> Oh, btw, my shutdown hang problem turned out to be splashy using a framebuffer mode higher than the videocard supported.  Interestingly enough Kubuntu doesn't use a vga= command in grub by default.  It must try to autodetect what your card can handle and guessed wrong.
[07:37] <notech> Admiral_Chicago: what is the limit for lines here?
[07:37] <musya> ha! ok i installed it and it works now, sorry that was an easy one, thanks guys though
[07:38] <DaveQB> noworries musya
[07:38] <binary2k2> musya: no problem :D
[07:38] <musya> thanks
[07:38] <Admiral_Chicago> notech: no real limit, depends on the number of users, lot of activity, very few
[07:39] <notech> Admiral_Chicago: ok, thanks. thought there might be a specified limit. :)
[07:39] <Admiral_Chicago> nope
[07:40] <xsacha> everyone here heard about kvm? anyone tried it?
[07:41] <rocky123> can anybody tell me which version of video4linux is installed with the edgy kernel 2.6.10.-generic
[07:41] <bgsteffens> Hello everyone, can someone tell me the easiest way to burn an image file to a disc in a fresh install of Kubuntu edgy?
[07:41] <DaveQB> bgsteffens use K3B
[07:42] <Endler> I think a lot of people that think they have a problem with acpi are really having a problem with splash trying to use an usupported framebuffer mode on shutdown.
[07:42] <bgsteffens> DaveQB: is that prepackaged with kubuntu or do i download it?
[07:42] <DaveQB> xsacha Keyboard Video Mouse ?
[07:42] <DaveQB> bgsteffens  not sure. Should be in Kmenu > Multimedia
[07:42] <xsacha> DaveQB: no :P the new virtualisation in kernel
[07:42] <naught101> bgsteffens: open is in k3b
[07:42] <naught101> open *it*
[07:42] <bgsteffens> oh awesome thank you
[07:44] <xsacha> DaveQB: KVM (Kernel-based Virtual Machine for Linux)
[07:45] <xsacha> will be in 2.6.20
[07:45] <Endler> K3B has been rock solid for me whereever I've used it.  I think it's the only burning program for either Windows or Linux that has never once created a coaster for me.
[07:45] <xsacha> the backend cdrecorder created a few coasters for me :(
[07:46] <binary2k2> that's the beauty of CD-RWs :p
[07:47] <Endler> I think it has for me too, but not when accessed via K3B.  It might have something to do with it requesting access to run with extended privileges when you first install it.
[07:50] <Admiral_Chicago> /msg Admiral_Chicago
[07:50] <Admiral_Chicago> ##KDE 3.5.5 Repo
[07:50] <Admiral_Chicago> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 edgy main
[07:51] <Jucato> ?
[07:53] <dettoaltrimenti> in irc, how do I get a list of all channels?
[07:53] <gatsby> !restricted
[07:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:53] <binary2k2> dettoaltrimenti: /list
[07:53] <dettoaltrimenti> thanks binary2k2
[07:54] <binary2k2> :)
[07:54] <thoreauputic> dettoalt1imenti: be aware, the /list command will list thousands of channels
[07:54] <binary2k2> konversation will warn you first
[07:59] <gatsby> !easysource
[07:59] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic.  It does not currently support Edgy sources.  When asked if it will, the reply was "maybe".
[08:01] <DaveQB> how does one tunnel a wget download through to their home server using ssh ?
[08:01] <DaveQB> examples I have read dont work
[08:02] <binary2k2> DaveQB: how about just ssh to the home server and running wget from there?
[08:02] <DaveQB> but then I have to transfer again using scp
[08:02] <DaveQB> 2 downloads essentially
[08:03] <DaveQB> I want 1 download on the home server that dumps the file to me here, at work, in one command
[08:03] <binary2k2> is the work pc running linux?
[08:03] <DaveQB> a pipe might work, but I thought an ssh tunnel created here at work that I can connect to to tunnel past our firewall here
[08:03] <DaveQB> cygwin
[08:03] <binary2k2> ah
[08:04] <DaveQB> i read ssh -D 1010 username@remoteip
[08:04] <DaveQB> to create a local SOCKS proxy on port 1010 ,but connection to it with firefox fails
[08:05] <DaveQB> s/connection/connecting
[08:06] <binary2k2> I have no clue
[08:06] <DaveQB> haha
[08:06] <DaveQB> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/tag/commands/
[08:06] <DaveQB> Does it work for you ?
[08:10] <binary2k2> DaveQB: can't get it to work for me
[08:10] <DaveQB> hmmm bugger
[08:10] <binary2k2> but I do have some funkey firewall rules :p
[08:11] <binary2k2> try with a high port. i.e. > 1024
[08:11] <binary2k2> ports 1-1024 require root to bind
[08:11] <thoreauputic> the usual socks port is 1080 if I recall correctly
[08:11] <thoreauputic> not that it should matter as long as it's > 1024
[08:13] <DaveQB> i'll give it a try
[08:14] <eMaX> moin moin
[08:15] <thoreauputic> wiki wiki !
[08:15] <thoreauputic> ;)
[08:16] <Endler> SSH tunneling can get confusing, but when it also works slicker than shit once you figure out a way to use it for a particular situation.   A bunch of example solutions for different scenarios in the SSH man would be a VERY welcome and useful addition.
[08:17] <eMaX> why does ubuntu create a agroup with the username whenever I create a user
[08:18] <Endler> So you can have groupies :)
[08:18] <thoreauputic> Endler: tsocks is a nice way to socksify *everything* :)
[08:18] <Jucato> eMaX: that's the standard in Linux, iirc
[08:18] <thoreauputic> eMaX: that's the Debian Way (tm)
[08:18] <binary2k2> eMaX: because ubuntu uses personal groups
[08:18] <thoreauputic> Jucato: no, some distros use "users" etc
[08:18] <eMaX> what is the reason for a group that has only one member
[08:18] <Jucato> ah yeah
[08:19] <binary2k2> i.e. a user has there own goup
[08:19] <thoreauputic> eMaX: enables you to restrict / allow on the basis of the user group rather than a generic group
[08:19] <Endler> In case you want to share files with a select members of your choosing.
[08:20] <eMaX> so you say thisis now the standard linux (tm) way?
[08:20] <eMaX> just that I don't recreate a "users" groupp
[08:20] <binary2k2> it's the standard 'debian way (tm)'
[08:21] <thoreauputic> eMaX: no, it's not standard - as I said, it comes from Debian in Ubuntu's case
[08:21] <eMaX> ok. as I am now using deb/ubuntu, I'm going to adhere to that
[08:22] <thoreauputic> eMaX: you can of course create groups, add users to groups etc etc
[08:22] <thoreauputic> assuming you are the admin/sudo/root user :)
[08:23] <eMaX> what is the ubuntu equivalent of profile.local in SuSE
[08:23] <thoreauputic> never used SuSE....
[08:24] <binary2k2> maybe /etc/profile
[08:24] <thoreauputic> what does profile.local do ?
[08:24] <binary2k2> guess from the name
[08:24] <eMaX> ok bash.bashrc seems to work
[08:24] <eMaX> just for environmen settings
[08:24] <thoreauputic> ah
[08:24] <thoreauputic>  /etc/profile is usual - bash,bashrc would work too
[08:24] <binary2k2> well all /etc/profile dose is source /etc/bash.bashrc anyway
[08:25] <thoreauputic> right
[08:25] <paolo> How. is it possibile to auto-mount a cd when inserted?
[08:25] <paolo> Hi :). is it possibile to auto-mount a cd when inserted?
[08:25] <Endler> thoreauputic, does tsocks address the encryption issue at all or do you still need to run it through a ssh tunnel
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Endler: tsocks is used in conjunction with ssh ( at least, that's how I use it)
[08:26] <notech> paolo: you don't mean a music cd, do you?
[08:26] <Endler> Oh, OK.  I figured as much.
[08:26] <paolo> notech: a data cd, no music
[08:26] <Endler> I'll check it out.
[08:27] <thoreauputic> Endler: once the tunnel is set up, using tsocks allows you to run commands through it
[08:27] <notech> paolo: ah. i'm sure it is, other distro's can. sorry, i don't know how though. heh
[08:27] <chupie> using smbmount ... how do i specify a user and password when mounting a network drive?
[08:28] <paolo> :(
[08:28] <paolo> (thanks, anyway)
[08:29] <binary2k2> chupie: like: [service]  [mountpoint]  -o username=user,password=pass
[08:29] <binary2k2> chupie: check out man smbmount
[08:29] <chupie> k
[08:30] <thoreauputic> Endler: for instance, ssh -NfD 1080<EMAIL_ADDRESS>; tsocks firefox  <-- browse through an ssh tunnel with the IP address of host.org
[08:31] <Endler> Do you run any remote desktop through shh.  I use krfb/krdc through an ssh tunnel and it works ok, but it sense that I have a fast cable connection and will only let me choose fast connection.  Medium and slow are grayed out.  The only problem is that cable is only fast in one direction and when you you are hampered by the slow upload speed.
[08:31] <thoreauputic> Endler: check out freenx
[08:32] <thoreauputic> !freenx
[08:32] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[08:33] <binary2k2> the NoMachine server for linux is now free, so you can use that
[08:33] <thoreauputic> binary2k2: permanently? Used to be just for testing....
[08:33] <Endler> Sound good.  I'll give that a shot too :D.  Is it a lot more efficient about it sends over that wire than K remote desktop?
[08:34] <thoreauputic> binary2k2: ah sorry i misunderstood
[08:34] <thoreauputic> binary2k2: thought you meant the online test site
[08:34] <thoreauputic> Endler: orders of magnitude better
[08:34] <binary2k2> thoreauputic: no, the actual server you install
[08:35] <thoreauputic> binary2k2: yup, as I said i misunderstood - go it now :)
[08:35] <thoreauputic> *got it
[08:35] <eMaX> wow. oracle works. pfffew.
[08:35] <Endler> KRD keeps sending the same wallpaper image back and forth instead of caching it, for example.
[08:35] <binary2k2> don't know if FreeNX is bein maintained now that the server is free
[08:35] <thoreauputic> Endler: freenx doesn't do the round trip thing
[08:36] <thoreauputic> Endler: try it - it rocks
[08:36] <thoreauputic> or NX or whatever - as binary2k2 says, it's free
[08:36] <Endler> I definitely will :)  Thanks.
[08:36] <Endler> I'm glad I asked.
[08:36] <thoreauputic> binary2k2: free as in Freedom or only as in Beer?
[08:36] <binary2k2> beer
[08:37] <thoreauputic> binary2k2: right
[08:37] <binary2k2> (I think)
[08:37] <binary2k2> dunno actually
[08:37] <thoreauputic> binary2k2: freenx is Free
[08:39] <binary2k2> I know freenx is free, the clue is in the name :p
[08:40] <Endler> Goodnight everyone.
[08:40] <thoreauputic> hmm #kubuntu reminds me of the way #ubuntu was in the warty/hoary era :) #ubuntu is just too big and too full of *very* new people now...
[08:40] <thoreauputic> binary2k2: heh, yeah "freenx" is kind of obvious, sorry :)
[08:41] <eMaX> re
[08:41] <binary2k2> I used it before the nomachine server became free
[08:41] <binary2k2> worked very well too, as i recall
[08:42] <thoreauputic> binary2k2: yah, it did - after all I think the code is probably pretty much the same
[08:43] <eMaX> I wonder why ubuntu per default enters my gateway as dns server.
[08:43] <eMaX> I don't want that as it is very slow working as  a dns server
[08:43] <thoreauputic> eMaX: because dhclient queries your router
[08:44] <eMaX> in wlassistant I set "manually" to ip address etc. so no dhcp
[08:44] <thoreauputic> eMaX: most routers can be configured to use manual dns settings
[08:44] <eMaX> nevertheless dhcp is running
[08:44] <eMaX> i mean dhclient
[08:45] <thoreauputic> eMaX: do you have static Ips in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[08:45] <thoreauputic> if you have "inet dhcp" dhcp will be used
[08:46] <eMaX> when I use wlassistant to disconnect and reconnect, it sets my nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf
[08:46] <eMaX> when I use wlassistant to disconnect and reconnect, it sets my nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf
[08:47] <thoreauputic> eMaX: as i said, that means the dhcp server on the router is setting your DNS up - it needs to be configured at the router
[08:48] <thoreauputic> i.e. your router is overwriting your /etc/resolv.conf
[08:48] <eMaX> yes but you know, I now have to start wlassistant every time I want to overwrite that setting, disconnect and then reconnect.
[08:49] <chupie> hmm... i could add some debian package mirrors to the apt-get mirror file couldn't i?
[08:49] <thoreauputic> eMaX: have a look at the config for dhclient then - something like /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[08:50] <thoreauputic> eMaX: one hackish way to stop it is to make /etc/resolv.conf not writable ( sudo chmod -w /etc/resolv.conf )
[08:50] <eMaX> tn
[08:50] <eMaX> x
[08:54] <eMaX> re
[09:21] <paolo> Hi.. I've edited fstab and changed noauto to auto for the cdrom; however it doesn't mount automatically the cdrom yet...
[09:23] <KomiaPoika> paolo auto only applies at boot
[09:23] <thoreauputic> paolo: wrong option
[09:24] <thoreauputic> paolo: auto means 'mount this on boot" as KomiaPoika says
[09:24] <paolo> i see. so, which is the correct options to auto mount a cdrom when inserted?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> paolo: you aren't trying to mount an audio CD, are you ?
[09:24] <paolo> no: a data cd
[09:25] <thoreauputic> For KDE i don't know - in gnome it just works
[09:26] <thoreauputic> paolo: the ivman package will do it, but I would have thought KDE had it built in somehow
[09:26] <paolo> thoreauputic, so I have to install this package?
[09:26] <thoreauputic> paolo: sorry, I only have KDE on my laptop ( currently using desktop)
[09:27] <paolo> thoreauputic, I'm using icewm
[09:27] <thoreauputic> paolo: ah
[09:27] <thoreauputic> paolo: install ivman and read the man page then
[09:27] <Jucato> paolo: this is the default line for the CD Writer on my system: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[09:28] <Jucato> I think pmount also handles that?
[09:28] <thoreauputic> paolo: it isn't an /etc/fstab thing
[09:28] <thoreauputic> Jucato: yes, but that isn't automatic - ivman is
[09:28] <thoreauputic> I guess it uses pmount though
[09:29] <Jucato> thoreauputic: I don't have ivman installed, but everything is automatic. maybe they replaced ivman with pmount?
[09:29] <thoreauputic> paolo: auto mount is a desktop environamnet thing, so if you use another wm you need ivman
[09:29] <thoreauputic> Jucato: are you running KDE?
[09:29] <Jucato> yes
[09:29] <thoreauputic> Jucato: that's why
[09:29] <thoreauputic> Jucato: paolo is running icewm
[09:30] <paolo> thoreauputic, well, more exactly i'm using rox-filer on icewm
[09:30] <paolo> but i've found a tip: let's try
[09:30] <thoreauputic> paolo: ivman won't pop up an icon, but it should do the mounting for you
[09:30] <Jucato> you mean pmount won't work on anything but KDE?
[09:30] <paolo> i'll be back soon
[09:30] <thoreauputic> paolo: in rox-filer you can just go to /media and click to mount anyway
[09:31] <thoreauputic> Jucato: no, I mean KDE has a fancy automount function ( that probably uses pmount as one of its backends)
[09:32] <thoreauputic> Jucato: pmount will work even without X
[09:33] <Jucato> meaning, he can use it with icewm too
[09:33] <thoreauputic> Jucato: I use fluxbox and I run ivman in my fluxbox start script to enable usb and other automount functions
[09:33] <Jucato> oh..
[09:33] <Jucato> w/ or w/o pmount?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> Jucato: of course - but pmount is a *command* not an automatic mounter in itself
[09:34] <thoreauputic> Jucato: you are confusing two levels of functionality here
[09:34] <Jucato> ah
[09:34] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:34] <Jucato> yep.. apparently :)
[09:34] <Jucato> all I know is HAL+pmount = no worries :)