[00:16] <doctormo> Upgrade to Maverick from Lucid: Failed, after reboot all I get is a flashing screen.
[00:33] <akgraner> jono_, when you get a chance I wanted to update you on the Fridge stuff
[00:37] <jcastro> akgraner: did you get the new SE script I sent you?
[00:38] <nhandler> jcastro: Is it the one chosen as an answer on SE?
[00:38] <jcastro> yeah
[00:38] <jcastro> it's mostly a domain fix
[00:38] <akgraner> yeppers
[00:38] <jcastro> \o/
[00:38] <nhandler> jcastro: Yeah, she saw it. I added it to lp:uwn
[00:38] <akgraner> :-) what nhandler said
[00:39] <akgraner> jcastro, it works for me too :-)
[00:39]  * akgraner is loving scripts
[00:39] <jcastro> yeah!
[00:39] <jcastro> I wonder if it would be cooler if we did the flair of the users instead
[00:39] <jcastro> or too noisy
[00:40] <nhandler> jcastro: I setup #ubuntu-stack (and am working on #ubuntu-stackexchange)
[00:40] <jcastro> ON IT
[00:41] <duanedesign> \]
[00:44] <jcastro> cjohnston: are you HoF guy?
[00:45] <nhandler> jcastro: dholbach has done most of that stuff
[00:46] <jcastro> yeah
[00:46] <jcastro> also, I love milo as much as the next guy, but he's been up there like all cycle. :)
[00:47] <jono_> akgraner, can you give me a few mins and then we can have a call
[00:49] <akgraner> jono_, sure whenever - just wanted to keep you in the loop
[00:51] <akgraner> jcastro, I told someone  about you, "He's great ! He's like Nike  - 'Just Do It!'"
[00:52] <akgraner> I like the expression - it's better to ask for forgiveness than beg for permission :-)
[00:52] <doctormo> akgraner: Did you know that jcastro is the only person I follow on twitter? true story.
[00:52] <jcastro> hey, you added the last part. :p
[00:52] <akgraner> I know
[00:52] <akgraner> that was all me there
[00:53] <akgraner> that's why there was no quotes on it
[00:53] <akgraner> should have clarified  - sorry
[00:53] <akgraner> doctormo, :-)
[00:54] <jcastro> "hey jorge said I could just do what I want so I reorganized the entire wiki one night ...."
[00:55] <akgraner> hehe
[00:55] <jcastro> "oh I'm sorry did I punch you in the face? You said just do it!"
[00:56] <doctormo> JDI - CoC
[01:04] <doctormo> paultag: Hello there are you up?
[01:25] <jono_> akgraner, quick call?
[01:25] <akgraner> sure
[01:41] <cjohnston> jcastro: still have no code
[01:51] <jcastro> I figured it out
[02:52] <nigelb> morning!
[02:53] <nhandler> Hey nigelb
[02:53] <nigelb> hola nhandler
[03:09] <paultag> doctormo, heyya
[03:09] <paultag> doctormo, what's up my friend
[03:50] <paultag> hey jcastro, have a second?
[03:50] <paultag> jcastro, I need to whine about how much Mutter is getting in my way to someone
[03:51] <nhandler> Let me pull on my shrink hat..."And how does that make you feel?" ;)
[03:51] <nigelb> haha
[03:52] <paultag> It can't run visual effects ( so it's using software rendering and really really slow )
[03:52] <paultag> It bugs out all the time ( if I had a fullscreen'ed app ( F11) and close it, it will break Mutter ( the menus will be slid off screen )
[03:52] <paultag> and I really don't want to use it
[03:53] <nigelb> paultag: sudo apt-get installl kubuntu-netbook
[03:53] <paultag> and I'm a pretty patient guy. It seems cool as a concept, but it's not really fully implemented, I think
[03:55] <paultag> I think I'm going to install the old netbook-launcher from 10.04. That worked great, and honestly works orders of magnitude better
[04:04] <jcastro> re. mutter, I know dude, I know. :(
[04:04] <jcastro> I am in the same boat
[04:05] <paultag> jcastro, it looked so legit when it first got mocked up
[04:05] <paultag> jcastro, what happened, dude?
[04:05] <jcastro> dunno, I haven't talked to an intel guy in a while
[04:05] <jcastro> but don't worry, it's on my todo at UDS
[04:06] <paultag> jcastro, killer, thanks man.
[04:29] <JanC> I think the old netbook-launcher was removed?
[04:29] <JanC> only the 2D netbook launcher still there?
[04:46] <paultag> JanC, if that's the case, I'm so backporting it to my PPA
[04:47] <paultag> There's no way I can stick with Mutter, it's really cutting back my work efficiency
[05:11] <doctormo> Hey everyone, can I get some review of Ubunchu chapter 07? http://divajutta.com/doctormo/ubunchu/ubunchu-07-ltr.pdf
[05:11] <doctormo> It's awesome and is about installfests.
[05:37] <doctormo> No one? jcastro, JanC, pleia2? All in bed?
[05:38] <doctormo> popey or jono_: you guys would like to read manga right?
[05:48]  * doctormo taps the microphone, is this thing on.
[07:43] <dholbach> Good morning! :-)
[07:49] <popey> morning
[07:50] <dholbach> hey popey
[07:56] <nigelb> morning dholbach , popey :)
[07:56] <nigelb> morning dpm
[07:56] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[07:56] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:57] <dpm> morning dholbach, morning nigelb!
[07:57] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[07:57] <dpm> hey kim0, good morning!
[07:58] <kim0> dpm: morning man :)
[07:58] <nigelb> kim0: heya!
[07:58] <nigelb> kim0: how did the first IRC session feel?
[07:58] <kim0> nigelb: howdy nigel
[07:58] <kim0> it went very smooth actually
[07:58] <kim0> I was thinking I'd finish in 30mins or so
[07:58] <kim0> and I was glad it took me the full hour
[07:59] <kim0> some people attending told me they liked it a lot
[07:59] <kim0> so very cool :)
[07:59] <dholbach> kim0, did you get lots of questions?
[08:00] <kim0> well I guess yeah
[08:00] <kim0> I answered like 8 .. and there was more
[08:00] <dholbach> kim0, nice
[08:00] <dholbach> hola ara!
[08:01] <ara> good morning dholbach, all
[08:01] <nigelb> kim0: that is awesome :)
[08:01] <nigelb> morning ara :)
[08:01] <kim0> hhowdy ara
[08:01] <ara> morning nigelb, kim0 :)
[08:02] <ara> dholbach, 0ºC already!
[08:03] <dholbach> ara, I was out for a run this morning - I noticed :-P
[08:03] <dholbach> ara, now let's go for the next 20 degrees down from 0°C :)
[08:03] <kim0> 37ºC in Cairo
[08:04] <kim0> I need to get into exporting heat business
[08:05] <dpm> morning ara
[08:06] <ara> morning dpm
[08:09] <jussi01_> we had snow tuesday and today
[08:32] <jono_> dholbach, what is the current progress on the stats?
[08:32] <dholbach> jono_, I'm working on it
[09:38] <jono_> I am going to bed
[09:38] <jono_> night all!
[10:04] <dpm> \o/
[10:04] <dpm> everyone's back!
[10:04] <nigelb> aha
[10:05] <nigelb> I wonder which server is down
[10:10] <dpm> hola randa
[10:10] <randa> hi dpm
[10:10] <nigelb> good morning randa :)
[10:11] <dholbach> hola randa
[10:11] <randa> hi dholbach hi nigelb :)
[10:56] <doctormo> Morning all
[10:58] <Pendulum> hiya doctormo
[10:58] <doctormo> Pendulum: Did you see my post last night about Ubunchu 07?
[11:01] <Pendulum> doctormo: that it's almost out?
[11:03] <doctormo> Pendulum: Under review, I need reviewers: http://divajutta.com/doctormo/ubunchu/ubunchu-07-ltr.pdf
[11:03] <nigelb> doctormo: It is awesome :)
[11:03] <nigelb> By the time I could say that, you got depressed and left :p
[11:04] <doctormo> nigelb: No I didn't, I got itching to fix my computer and needed to reboot... which I'm still trying to do.
[11:04] <doctormo> Poor computer.
[11:05] <nigelb> You're still trying to reboot? :p
[11:06] <jussi> ummm, where do we put community blueprints this uds? jcastro's email doesnt mention community as a category... ?
[11:07] <popey> hullo doctormo
[11:07] <popey> 05:38:17 < doctormo> popey or jono_: you guys would like to read manga right?
[11:07] <popey> nope :)
[11:36] <dpm> jussi, I think you can put them in the same categories as others. So if it's Ubuntu community-related, they'd go to ubuntutheproject-community-n-*, but I'd wait for jcastro to wake up and confirm
[11:37] <jussi> dpm: ok, thanks. I just got a bit confuzzled....
[11:50] <doctormo> nigelb: I'm still trying to burn a cd of 10.10 that doesn't fail.
[11:51] <doctormo> popey: Thanks for mentioning me twice on your podcast, much obliged.
[11:54] <doctormo> popey: Besides, you'd have a read of Ubunchu for either a) your podcast b) because it's about installfests or c) for a scooby snack.
[11:56] <popey> doctormo: np :)
[11:56] <nigelb> scooby snack ahaha!
[11:56] <popey> Scooby snacks!
[11:56] <popey> Ruh Roh!
[11:57]  * doctormo gets the box and gets one and gives to popey
[11:57]  * nigelb looks at doctormo with a dad face
[11:57] <nigelb> *sad
[11:58]  * doctormo gives nigelb a scrappy-snack
[11:58] <jussi> !opsnack | doctormo
[11:58] <ubot2> doctormo: Chocolate! And Raisins! And ICE CREAM! ooo! and 60 minutes +m!
[11:58] <nigelb> !botsnack
[11:58] <ubot2> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[11:58] <nigelb> :)
[11:58] <jussi> !helpersnack
[11:58] <ubot2> Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[11:59] <nigelb> !pmthebot | jussi
[11:59] <jussi> :D
[11:59] <ubot2> Factoid 'pmthebot' not found
[11:59] <nigelb> :p
[11:59] <nigelb> dang
[11:59] <jussi> !botabuse | nigelb
[11:59] <ubot2> nigelb: Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots.  Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid".
[11:59] <nigelb> Right !
[11:59] <jussi> I win...
[11:59] <doctormo> jussi: Please add scooby snack to ubot2
[12:00] <jussi> !search scooby
[12:00] <ubot2> Found: scoobysnack-#ubuntuforums, scoobysnacks
[12:00] <jussi> !scoobysnacks
[12:00] <ubot2> I prefer botsnacks, but thanks for the thought.
[12:00] <nigelb> jussi: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play
[12:00] <jussi> doctormo: its there!
[12:00] <jussi> !scoobysnack-#ubuntuforums
[12:00] <ubot2> Yuck!
[12:00] <jussi> heh
[12:00] <nigelb> hahahaha
[12:00] <doctormo> lol
[12:03] <jussi> lol, I just tried to refresh (f5) irc....
[12:03]  * nigelb hugs jussi
[12:04] <nigelb> jussi: I did that on code earlier today
[12:10] <doctormo> Time to reboot for maverick attempt 6
[12:50] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:51] <nigelb> morning duanedesign
[12:52] <nigelb> glad to see you awake after sunrise
[12:52] <duanedesign> :)
[12:52] <duanedesign> nigelb: yeah trying to keep a little more sane hours
[12:53] <duanedesign> we had an earthquake yesterday
[12:54] <nigelb> whoa
[12:54] <duanedesign> first earthquake i have ever been in.
[12:54] <nigelb> everything all right?
[12:54] <duanedesign> yes, thank you. I thinkit was small as far as earthquakes go, a 5.1
[12:55] <duanedesign> totally weeird because they never happen where i live
[12:55] <duanedesign> err, never happened
[12:55] <nigelb> Ah
[12:56] <nigelb> Isn't it the west coast where its more common?
[12:56]  * nigelb thinks CA
[12:56] <duanedesign> yep
[13:28] <nigelb> JFo: what did you do to distract that little girl into crashing into 2 telephone poles! :p
[13:29] <JFo> I didn't even know it had hapened
[13:29] <nigelb> heh
[13:29] <nigelb> good morning btw
[13:29] <JFo> sounded like my neighbor had slammed his trash can lid
[13:29] <nigelb> lol
[13:29] <JFo> good morning
[13:29] <nigelb> you have fun neighbours
[13:29] <JFo> I slept last night at the proper time! \o/
[13:29] <JFo> I'm so happy
[13:29] <JFo> well, this guy is usually quiet
[13:29] <JFo> so I thought that was odd
[13:30] <doctormo> nigelb: Installation 6 failed
[13:30] <nigelb> doctormo: now you scare me
[13:30] <nigelb> I was plannin on upgrading tonight
[13:30] <doctormo> JFo: Our neighbours delight in frequent carnal sounds. You'd think they had a record.
[13:32] <JFo> heh, when I lived in my last apartment several years ago, there was a couple upstairs that did that every morning
[13:32] <doctormo> nigelb: Do you have nvidia? those evil ahem CoC off: sniveling little toads with about as much sense as a neomode worm, I am put out and offended again by their product's instability and their lack of willingness to propperly enter into the  community on terms that ensure their priducts continued healthy support.
[13:32] <JFo> it was odd to be getting ready for work to a soundtrack like that
[13:33] <nigelb> doctormo: I have worse.  ATI.
[13:33] <nigelb> JFo: heh, I worked nights and there was a hotel next door.
[13:33] <nigelb> We had one night of fun with a couple arguing in their hotel room
[13:33] <doctormo> nigelb: No, ATI have a future, even if their status is grim. nvidia's future is grim even if their status is ok.
[13:33] <AlanBell> JFo: nigelb: if you can't beat them, join them.
[13:33] <JFo> AlanBell, :)
[13:33] <nigelb> AlanBell: HAHA
[13:34] <doctormo> AlanBell: Did you read the Ubunchu 07 link I posted?
[13:35] <Pendulum> doctormo: I did notice one thing in Ubunchu 07 that's incorrect punctuation/format for English
[13:36] <doctormo> That's what I'm looking for
[13:37] <popey> url?
[13:39] <AlanBell> doctormo: yeah, downloaded it, haven't read it yet
[13:43] <akgraner> highvoltage, ping - will you be able to do the Ubuntu in Education session today?
[13:43] <akgraner> jcastro, I need to get offline for a few changing locations - bbiab - not sure about the last session for today dinda is in Hong Kong today and can't do her session
[13:44] <popey> AlanBell: where from?
[13:44] <AlanBell> doctormo: s/Did you set up the PE environment/Did you set up the PXE environment/ I think
[13:44] <AlanBell> http://divajutta.com/doctormo/ubunchu/ubunchu-07-ltr.pdf
[13:46] <AlanBell> and whut?? you can netboot windows 7?
[13:52] <nigelb> akgraner: ah, so I person to hunt down today
[13:52] <nigelb> duanedesign: all good for today's session?
[13:55] <kim0> wow that ubunchu mag is so awesome!
[13:55] <kim0> love the graphics
[13:56]  * dpm lunches after having written the longest e-mail reply in months
[13:56] <kim0> dpm: finger pain huh ;)
[14:01] <highvoltage> akgraner: hmm, I haven't prepared anythin
[14:01] <highvoltage> g
[14:02] <nigelb> highvoltage: you've got close to 5 hours, can you take over? :)
[14:02] <highvoltage> nigelb: so that's at 18:00 UTC right?
[14:03] <duanedesign> nigelb: yep yep, thank you
[14:03] <nigelb> 1700?
[14:03] <nigelb> highvoltage: ^^
[14:03] <nigelb> BST != UTC :D
[14:04] <nigelb> duanedesign: thanks, just checking for less heartbreaks/running around later
[14:05] <highvoltage> that gives me close to 4 hours then :)
[14:05] <nigelb> yeah, I need to learn to add/subtract
[14:05] <highvoltage> nigelb: ok, I can do it, I can't promise fireworks though :)
[14:05] <nigelb> highvoltage: \o/
[14:05] <nigelb> highvoltage: I'm still not sure if dinda will turn up
[14:06] <nigelb> the time zone is bound to be awful, so less likely
[14:08] <highvoltage> yeah it's just after lunch for me so I'll have to keep it to a small lunch :)
[14:08] <nigelb> heh
[14:08] <nigelb> I hope i stay awake till then
[14:21] <doctormo> AlanBell: I don't think you can netboot windows 7, I think it's a plot fantasy.
[14:21] <doctormo> thanks guys.
[14:22] <highvoltage> you can netbook LTSP and connect to a windows 7 session at least
[14:36] <dpm> kim0, rather mental pain :)
[14:41] <jcastro_> akgraner: we doing our skype thing this time?
[14:45] <akgraner> jcastro_, I can't not at my house at the moment :-(
[15:35] <doctormo> highvoltage: You can also image machines using Linux PXE, but it's still one of those heyhoos.
[15:35] <highvoltage> I don't see how that's relevant to me.
[15:36] <highvoltage> (well, I've imaged lots of machines using PXE in the past, but I didn't ask anything about that :) )
[15:37] <nigelb> haha, I love sabdfl's last response :p
[15:37] <doctormo> nigelb: oh in the session?
[15:37] <doctormo> damn
[15:38] <nigelb> doctormo: yep, heh
[15:38] <doctormo> nigelb: I missed it, can you put it in backroom?
[15:38] <nigelb> doctormo: I shall PM
[16:02] <jono> hey all
[16:03] <kim0> o/
[16:03] <nigelb> hey
[16:03] <duanedesign> hello
[16:03] <nigelb> that was one fun session
[16:03]  * duanedesign nods
[16:03] <doctormo> yep nigelb
[16:03] <doctormo> Hey jono,
[16:04] <nigelb> hats off to jorge for dealing with questions
[16:04] <jcastro> ugh
[16:04] <jcastro> that guy
[16:04] <nigelb> heh
[16:04]  * nigelb hugs jcastro
[16:04] <jcastro> he's one of jono's friends or something
[16:04] <nigelb> oh? /me looks at jono
[16:13] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:13] <jono> jcastro, who is one of my friends?
[16:13] <jcastro> sebsebseb
[16:13] <jcastro> you know, one of your boycottnovell buddies
[16:14] <nigelb> the guy who just bugged jorge for like 1 hour
[16:14] <jcastro> highvoltage: thanks for your help there
[16:14] <nigelb> gah, I should leave and I don't feel like it
[16:15]  * nigelb feels for charlie
[16:15] <highvoltage> nigelb: +1, jcastro did a really good job with those questions!
[16:15] <nigelb> that guy is bugging him
[16:15] <jcastro> isn't there some irc dude who can talk to him
[16:15] <jcastro> oh, I know the perfect man for this
[16:15] <jcastro> jussi: ping.
[16:16] <nigelb> heh, I was just about to ping jussi
[16:16]  * nigelb goes back home, later all!
[16:17] <highvoltage> bye nigelb
[16:17] <doctormo> jcastro: In what kind of a fight, he doesn't seem much of an irc fighter.
[16:27] <jcastro> I just don't get his motivation
[16:34] <jcastro> jono: have you accepted any more bp's?
[16:35] <jcastro> the more you accept before EOD today the less work you'll have next week
[16:36] <dpm> jcastro, don't teach jono managing tricks, he might end up using them against us!
[16:39] <doctormo> dpm: Rememeber the motto: We ARE a herd of cats! If only we believe we can be!
[16:50] <jono> jcastro, sebsebseb is not a buddy :)
[16:52] <Tm_T> hi alll
[16:58] <jcastro> http://blog.canonical.com/?p=446
[16:58] <jcastro> I hope everyone saw mark talking about this this morning
[16:59] <kim0> really cool indeed :)
[17:00] <jono> dpm, wrapping a call, will be a few mins
[17:00] <dpm> jono, no worries, I'm in mumble, just ping me when ready
[17:08] <Technoviking> is there a way to Ubuntu StackExchange?
[17:09] <dholbach> ok, I'm calling it a day
[17:10] <dholbach> have a good one everyone and see you tomorrow
[17:10]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:10] <jono> dpm, ok, wrapped, grabbing headphones and then getting into the call
[17:10]  * jono still jet lagged
[17:10] <jono> no sleep last night again
[17:10] <dpm> jono, ok, just (literally) give me a shout!
[17:10] <jcastro> everyone is having insomnia!
[17:10] <jcastro> dholbach: ^^ one more
[17:12] <dholbach> jcastro, hall-of-no-sleep.ubuntu.com
[17:13] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow!
[17:13] <dholbach> and go to bed!
[17:14] <nisshh> out of the 14 channels i am in, this is the ONLY active one and has been the only active one for the last 3 hours :)
[17:14] <nisshh> that just shows how awesome you all are :)
[17:17] <Technoviking> WTF! users with less than 150 reputation can't create new tags. The tag 'macbookpro' is new. Try using an existing tag instead.
[17:45] <nigelb> jcastro: you want to step in to -backstage for feedback re:bot ?
[17:51] <paultag> jcastro, I'm backporting netbook-launcher as we speak ( ssshhh, don't tell anyone )
[17:52] <paultag> I had an off FTBFS, so who knows if I can actually do it or not
[17:52] <paultag> an odd *
[18:04] <dpm> ok everyone, time to call it a day. See you tomorrow!
[18:29] <jcastro> akgraner: hah, jill at lunch was like "how was your date with amber this morning?"
[18:29] <akgraner> haha
[18:29] <nigelb> lol
[18:29] <akgraner> she must have talked to Pete - he mumbled something similar
[18:30] <jussi> jcastro: pong
[18:31] <nigelb> ok, bed time for real!
[18:31] <nigelb> later all
[18:31] <akgraner> jcastro, you should have only gotten 2 emails from me this morning :-)
[18:31] <akgraner> nigelb, thanks!
[18:32] <jussi> jcastro: is this re: sebsebseb ?:(
[18:32] <jcastro> jussi: yeah what's up with that guy
[18:32] <jussi> jcastro: I dont know, but he has a record... so to speak...
[18:33] <jcastro> yeah I am aware of that
[18:35] <jcastro> jono: can we mumbles later today, it's nothing urgent
[18:38] <jussi> jcastro: can you clarify for me? [13:06:45] <jussi> ummm, where do we put community blueprints this uds? jcastro's email doesnt mention community as a category... ?
[18:38] <jcastro> depends what track it falls under
[18:38] <jcastro> what's the subject?
[18:38] <jussi> I want to put something into what was the community track last uds
[18:38] <jussi> IRC things
[18:38] <jcastro> ubuntutheproject-community-n-blah then
[18:39] <jussi> ok, that helps. thanks!
[18:39] <jcastro> akgraner: O M G.
[18:40] <jcastro> akgraner: how long have we had GOOGLE DOCS for UBUNTU.COM domains?
[18:40] <akgraner> since it's easier for me to build stuff there :-)
[18:40] <jcastro> no I mean, how long has that been available
[18:41] <akgraner> dunno
[18:41] <jcastro> akgraner: is it possible to embed stuff in the wiki? like the calendar and or a spreadsheet?
[18:42] <jcastro> || I || think we should || check it out || don't you? ||
[18:42] <akgraner> hell yes
[18:42] <akgraner> opps I mean yes of course
[18:42] <jcastro> if we could use a real spreadsheet .... whoa
[18:42] <akgraner> nods
[18:42] <jcastro> bless your heart!
[18:42] <AlanBell> technically anything is possible with moin wiki plugins
[18:42] <akgraner> I know you can embed calendars  - but it's ugly
[18:43] <akgraner> and I know you can put html code into a wiki with the right mark up
[18:43] <AlanBell> no, most interesting markup gets stripped out
[18:44] <AlanBell> without a suitable plugin or macro to make sure you are embedding safe stuff
[18:44] <AlanBell> which I can write, but I can't deploy
[18:44]  * jcastro wish we had more time to invest in our tools
[18:45] <jcastro> some days, between the wiki and lp ....
[18:45] <akgraner> I read about a plugin in for moinmoin when I was adding the HTML version of the logs way back when
[18:45] <AlanBell> the wiki is totally fixable
[18:45] <AlanBell> it is not a technical problem
[18:46] <akgraner> is that something different  - remember you said it felt like cheating or something b/c I was using those tags
[18:47] <AlanBell> yes akgraner that was using the HTML plugin, but it only allows certain markup like colours and fonts, it won't let you do javascript or iframes
[18:47] <akgraner> ahh
[18:47] <akgraner> gotcha
[18:47] <AlanBell> for good reason
[18:48] <AlanBell> but what you want is a plugin that doesn't just create arbitary iframes, but one that will embed a specific google doc for example
[18:48] <akgraner> nods
[18:49] <akgraner> I hate creating those table that are long with those || UGH
[18:49] <AlanBell> it is only about 20 lines of python to do that (18 of which are copied from a template)
[18:50] <AlanBell> the big issue for tables and embedding of spreadsheets is that my fluid width changes don't seem to have been accepted
[18:50] <AlanBell> along with the aubergine headings :(
[18:54] <akgraner> I am a spreadsheet junkie
[18:54] <akgraner> love them
[18:55] <JFo> "<akgraner> I am a spreadsheet junkie" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++1
[18:55] <akgraner> JFo, no-one poked the peanut gallery :-P
[18:56] <JFo> no one needed to
[18:56] <akgraner> hehe
[18:56] <JFo> I smell truth from  a mile away :)
[19:30] <sense> good evening
[20:19] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:19] <sense> hello czajkowski!
[20:26] <highvoltage> ıʞsʍoʞɾɐzɔ ɐɥoʃɐ
[20:26] <czajkowski> highvoltage: :D
[20:28] <kim0> wow! how do you do that
[20:28] <sense> Abusing unicode! :P
[20:28] <kim0> indeed :)
[20:28] <highvoltage> oh I just hang upside down while typing
[20:29]  * kim0 ties the rope
[20:29] <AlanBell> ɯʇɥ˙uʍop-ǝpısdn/ʇxǝʇ/ʇɹǝʌuoɔ/oɟuı˙ʇɐɯɹoɟǝʃıɟ˙ʍʍʍ//:dʇʇɥ oʇ ƃuıoƃ ʎɹʇ '0ɯıʞ
[20:29] <kim0> w t h
[20:30]  * Pici turns his monitor upside-down
[20:30] <highvoltage> ɥ ʇ ʍ
[20:32] <kim0> uʍop ǝpısdn ɐɯ ʞooʃ
[20:32] <kim0> how do I actually type in unicode on my keyboard
[20:32] <kim0> wasn't there some way to press ALT and enter numeric keycode or something
[20:33] <sense> Press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+U and then type the numeral code.
[20:33] <sense> then enter
[20:33] <kim0> does that work on gnome-terminal ?
[20:33] <sense> not sure
[20:33] <sense> not in Guake
[20:34] <sense> s/numer code/unicode code
[20:34] <kim0> sense: can u gimme a valid code
[20:34] <highvoltage> on all terminals, it should work if you press ctrl+shift+u
[20:34] <highvoltage> otherwise you're just using a crappy terminal emulator :)
[20:34] <kim0> ģ
[20:34] <highvoltage> (it should work in all graphical applications too)
[20:35] <duanedesign> highvoltage: aha, it does
[20:35] <highvoltage> ✓
[20:35] <sense> 20AC is the code for €
[20:35] <highvoltage> pressing lift-alt + 5 should also give you that on most keyboards
[20:35] <highvoltage> *left-alt
[20:35] <sense> 2014 for —, 2013 for –, 2012 for ‒ and 2011 for ‑
[20:35] <highvoltage> I mean, right-alt :)
[20:36] <highvoltage> ¥£$€
[20:36] <sense> yes
[20:36] <highvoltage> (right-alt+2345)
[20:36] <AlanBell> 20A8 is the new rupee ₹ which *just* made it into maverick
[20:36] <sense> Alt Gr + 5 = €
[20:36] <highvoltage> whoah, I'm not even using the ubuntu font in my terminal and it displays fine here
[20:36] <highvoltage> cool :)
[20:36] <sense> I get Rs in XChat.
[20:37] <highvoltage> tomboy also shows Rs
[20:37] <highvoltage> I'm using the DejaVu Sans Mono Book font in my terminal
[20:37] <highvoltage> so that font seems quite up to date then :)
[20:38] <AlanBell> highvoltage: that is the magic of the font server
[20:38] <AlanBell> it will try very hard to find something it can display, even if it has to use a different font to do so
[20:38] <sense> ₨ is still Rs with the Ubuntu font as well.
[20:39] <AlanBell> yes, it is a new codepoint
[20:40] <AlanBell> which isn't yet in charmap
[20:40] <AlanBell> or actually I think it might be now in the upstream as of Monday when Unicode 6 got released
[20:40] <sense> AlanBell: How come you have it? :)
[20:41] <AlanBell> bug 655357
[20:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 655357 in gucharmap (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Charmap does not know about U+20B9 (Indian Rupee Sign) (affects: 1) (heat: 579)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655357
[20:42] <sense> Ah, another code for ₹
[20:43] <sense> By the way, is it ₹20.50 or 20.50₹ ?
[20:59] <akgraner> I have to change from gmail to something else.  I'm trying to decide between Thunderbird or Evolution - thoughts?
[20:59] <highvoltage> it's weird in canada they say $4 or 4$
[21:01] <sense> akgraner: I've found Thunderbird to be more stable, cleaner and also powerful.
[21:02] <akgraner> sense thanks - I am dreading setting up something new
[21:02] <sense> akgraner: Thunderbird has tabs! :) And you can integrate a calendar into if you want.
[21:02] <akgraner> and I really don't want to have to set them both up... (lazy uh?)
[21:04] <sense> You care about your time. :)
[21:04] <czajkowski> are the logs up or UOW ?
[21:05] <akgraner> czajkowski, nope working on them now
[21:05] <akgraner> should have all of them up soon
[21:05] <czajkowski> akgraner: where is the link anways so I dont bug folks again
[21:05] <czajkowski> I can F5 :)
[21:06] <czajkowski> had a few emails about one of the sessions
[21:06] <akgraner> ahh ok one sec let me grab the link for ya
[21:06] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekMaverick
[21:06] <duanedesign> sense: ₹20.50
[21:06] <akgraner> I'll also link to the table as well
[21:06] <sense> duanedesign: ok
[21:07] <akgraner> woo hoo  now I can tell people - I have a job now :-)
[21:07] <duanedesign> the design proposal for the new rupee symbol is very interesting, IMHO. http://www.idc.iitb.ac.in/events/Indian_Rupee_Symbol.pdf
[21:09] <sense> Unicode symbols are quite interesting when start to become aware of the many language-specific characters that are available. E.g. 'ĳ' is one unicode character used in Dutch words, and we use ' – ' in sentences, where English uses '—'.
[21:09] <akgraner> I'm working for Linux New Media starting Monday - http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/ROSE-Blog-Rikki-s-Open-Source-Exchange/Announcing-our-new-Associate-Web-Editor
[21:10] <duanedesign> akgraner: awesome
[21:10] <duanedesign> congratulations \o/
[21:10] <sense> akgraner: grats!
[21:17] <akgraner> Thanks - I am so excited...
[21:18] <sense> akgraner: The downside of all your experience is now that will never be able to say that you are 'just' a regular housewife with little computer knowledge. You're getting quite experienced with Ubuntu!
[21:18] <Pendulum> sense: we kinda told her she couldn't say that anymore a while ago
[21:18] <akgraner> sense - :-) yep - and I appreciate every single new thing I learn each day
[21:21] <sense> learning new things is great
[21:22] <akgraner> but you know there is something comforting in that 'just'
[21:36] <highvoltage> jono: is this specification name right? and if so, could you approve it for the UDS-n sprint? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-project-edubuntu-n-community
[21:40] <sense> I'm going offline, bye everyone!
[21:51] <Technoviking> akgraner: CONGRATS!!!
[21:53] <popey> congrats akgraner !
[21:59] <akgraner> Technoviking, and popey thanks!
[22:01] <highvoltage> akgraner: whohoo! well done :)
[22:02] <akgraner> highvoltage, thanks
[22:12] <jcastro> <-- END O DAY - askubuntu.com time!
[22:15] <akgraner> askubuntu.com is like crack to jcastro
[22:16] <Pendulum> akgraner: it's not "like cracK" it is jcastro's crack
[22:17] <akgraner> haha
[22:18] <jcastro> pure, refined.
[23:28] <jcastro> JFo: fo fo


[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #122919 in openoffice.org (main) "Writer bookmarks inconsistently sorted" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122919
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #122920 in gnash (universe) "jw flv player gives black screen" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122920
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #122923 in notification-daemon (main) "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_logv()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122923
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #122924 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "package linux-headers-2.6.22-7 2.6.22-7.14 failed to install/upgrade: Paket ist in einem sehr schlechten inkonsistenten Zustand - Sie sollten" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122924
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #122925 in wxglade (universe) "wxglade.py crashed with PyDeadObjectError in __getattr__  " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122925
[12:53] <bdmurray> Does anybody have an idea about bug 120686?
[12:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120686 in pppoeconf "[Gutsy]  impossible to launch pppoeconf (/bin/sh: Can't open id)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120686
[12:53] <bdmurray> They can't even run 'sudo -i'
[12:54] <gnomefreak> dbworks here
[12:54] <gnomefreak> bdmurray: works here
[12:55] <gnomefreak> atleast sudo -i does
[12:56] <bdmurray> yeah it works for me too
[12:56] <bdmurray> I guess the better question would have been what does that "Can't open id" error message mean.
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #122928 in qpxtool (universe) "Plextor DVD 760A new in box, photo cd placed in tray and transfer rate test applied and all crashed." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122928
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #122929 in Ubuntu "Battery menu should have an "allow suspend" option that can be unchecked" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122929
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #122930 in Ubuntu "Please add "Suspend my PC after the lid is closed for X minutes/hours" option" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122930
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #122931 in notification-daemon (main) "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in IA__g_logv()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122931
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #122932 in Ubuntu "Please provide a list of $$$ donors in the About Gnome dialog box." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122932
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #122933 in gnash (universe) "flash video not working report" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122933
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #122934 in Ubuntu "CD not recognized" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122934
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #122935 in p7zip (universe) "p7zip can't decompress password protected 7z files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122935
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #122936 in Ubuntu "Burning an audio CD is completely impossible " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122936
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #122937 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox desktop launcher icon appears too small" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122937
[02:50] <RAOF> Can someone change the importance of bug #122939 to wishlist when you've got a moment?
[02:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122939 in xserver-xgl "Ship X session files with xserver-xgl" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122939
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #122939 in xserver-xgl (universe) "Ship X session files with xserver-xgl" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122939
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #122940 in compiz (main) "compiz error while enabling desktop effects" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122940
[02:51] <TheMuso> RAOF: Will do.
[02:52] <TheMuso> RAOF: Done.
[02:52] <RAOF> TheMuso: Ta.
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #122941 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122941
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #122942 in gnome-media (main) "cannot get any sound from my sound blaster extigy " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122942
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #122943 in Ubuntu "Gutsy Tribe-2 boot failure" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122943
[03:31] <jjesse> question on new bug status: if a reporter never respond to me i would mark the bug as rejected, now do i mark it as invalid or won't fix?
[03:31] <RAOF> Invalid, I believe.  It doesn't have the required information to be a proper bug :)
[03:32] <jjesse> ok marking it as invalid
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #122945 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122945
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #122944 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Scale on "Power History" graph has incorrect units" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122944
[03:48] <bdmurray> jjesse: Yes, Invalid is correct
[03:49] <jjesse> thanks bdmurray
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #122947 in hwdb-client (main) "hwdb-gui shows no wizard" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122947
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #122948 in Ubuntu "[network-admin]  appends network name to machine name " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122948
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #122949 in compiz (main) "Tray icons take a LONG time to appear with compiz enabled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122949
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #122950 in sed (main) "broken parsing of [ in y command" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122950
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #122951 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Suspend menu option won't suspend MacBook in latest Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122951
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #122952 in gnome-control-center (main) "bashism in /usr/bin/gnome-at-visual, line 54" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122952
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #122954 in firefox (main) "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in raise()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122954
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #122955 in notification-daemon (main) "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_logv() (dup-of: 122637)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122955
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #122956 in Ubuntu "Linksys WMP54G and WAP" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122956
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #122957 in update-manager (main) "X-server corrupted after ubuntu auto-update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122957
[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #122958 in xorg-driver-synaptics (main) "Trackpad quite sluggish with default acceleration settings" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122958
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #122961 in gnome-compiz-manager (universe) "Corrupt graphics with Matrox G450 on start of Live CD (Gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122961
[06:42] <RAOF> Wow, I didn't think matrox could run compiz.
[06:44] <ScottK> Apparently it can't.
[06:44] <RAOF> Indeed.
[06:45] <RAOF> I wonder why the compiz wrapper doesn't detect that.
[06:45] <RAOF> Time for "incomplete" :)
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #122963 in notification-daemon (main) "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_logv() (dup-of: 122637)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122963
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #122962 in xorg (main) "Can't right click on Mac using any intuitive method" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122962
[06:48] <eboyjr> Hi
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #122964 in xorg-driver-synaptics (main) "Enable two-finger scrolling by default" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122964
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #122965 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV in rb_ipod_db_new()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122965
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #122967 in debian-installer (main) "xxxx" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122967
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #122968 in adept (main) "The requested URL /changelogs/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20_1.0.9631+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.29/changelog was not found on this server." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122968
[07:21] <shirish> guys shouldn't a search term like 'yelp debfoster' should work?
[07:26] <ubotu> New bug: #122969 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Does not handle mailto URI according to standard" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122969
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #122970 in gnome-panel (main) "windows do not maximize correctly for non-standard desktop configuration" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122970
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #122971 in hal (main) "hal-device-manager crashed with AttributeError in on_about_activate()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122971
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #122972 in Ubuntu "logout stalls until esd is killed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122972
[08:09] <dholbach> good morning
[08:09] <Hobbsee> morning dholbach!
[08:09] <dholbach> hi Hobbsee
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #122973 in file-roller (main) "file-roller crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122973
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #122974 in gaim (main) "Gain cannot connect to msn messenger" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122974
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #122975 in thunderbird (main) "thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in raise() after click in email to show it in the preview pane" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122975
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #122976 in openoffice.org (main) "package openoffice.org-style-human 2.2.1-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122976
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #122977 in human-cursors-theme (main) "DMZ cursors as Symbol available" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122977
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #122978 in openoffice.org (main) "[gutsy]  openoffice crashes with "sh: paperconf: not found"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122978
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #122979 in Ubuntu "Video playback gets buggy when Compiz is on" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122979
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #122980 in Ubuntu "gnome crash when copying apt archives" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122980
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #122981 in dia (main) "g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122981
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #122982 in evince (main) "Evince hangs trying to open ols2006.odp" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122982
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #122983 in monsterz (universe) "Monsterz does not quit properly." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122983
[10:03] <thekorn> good morning!
[10:04] <Hobbsee> hiya!
[10:07] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[10:07] <dholbach> thekorn: I'll read your mail in a bit :)
[10:08] <thekorn> hey dholbach, sorry for sending this mail so late
[10:08] <dholbach> no problem
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #122984 in python2.3 (universe) "help doesn't work for logger module" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122984
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #122985 in notification-daemon (main) "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_logv() (dup-of: 122637)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122985
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #122986 in python2.4 (main) "Python logging module doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122986
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #122987 in ubiquity (main) "All font sizes abysmally small" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122987
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #122988 in notification-daemon (main) "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_logv()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122988
[10:49] <Gasten> How do I mark bugs as duplicates? (Bug #122931 is a dublicate of Bug #122637)
[10:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122931 in notification-daemon "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in IA__g_logv()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122931
[10:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122637 in notification-daemon "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_logv()" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122637
[10:51] <persia> Gasten: There should be a link in the upper left corner, labeled "Mark as duplicate".  Enter the number of the preferred bug in the next page for the bug you wish to indicate is a duplicate.
[10:52] <Gasten> persia: ah, under actions. Thanks!
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #122989 in firefox (main) "ZOMG THIS UBUNTU KILLED MY DOG" [Undecided,Won't fix]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122989
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #122990 in Ubuntu "E: The package sun-java5-bin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it ." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122990
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #122991 in apparmor (universe) "can't load apparmor kernel module" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122991
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #122992 in gmpc (universe) "gmpc crashed with SIGSEGV in cfg_open()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122992
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #122993 in Ubuntu "ondemand governor does not use maximum frequence under load" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122993
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #122994 in mesa (main) "mesa 7.0 package needs some cleaning up" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122994
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #122996 in nis (main) "ypbind crashed with SIGSEGV in test_bindings_once()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122996
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #122998 in arts (main) "artsshell crashed with SIGSEGV in pthread_cond_init@@GLIBC_2.3.2()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122998
[11:54] <RainCT> Hi
[11:54] <RainCT> what package is responsible for mounting CD's?
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #122999 in mesa (main) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV in viaXMesaWindowMoved()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122999
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #123001 in gksu (main) "gksu crashed with SIGSEGV in IA__gdk_draw_pixbuf()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123001
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #123002 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Broken suspend on 2.6.20-16.29" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123002
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #123003 in hildon-theme-plankton (universe) "'hildon-theme-cacher: not found' when installing ubuntu-mobile" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123003
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #123004 in gdesklets (universe) "gdesklets-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_datalist_id_set_data_full()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123004
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #123006 in Ubuntu "Open office in Kubuntu crach if I tries to add new dictionaies." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123006
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #123008 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123008
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #123009 in gaim (main) "Gaim -               ." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123009
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #122926 in Ubuntu "can't install courier-authdaemon_0.58-4ubuntu11_386.deb and sqwebmail_0.53_2-3ubuntu1_386.deb" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122926
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #123011 in Ubuntu "Printing selects wrong tray on HP 4650" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123011
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #123012 in ktorrent (main) "ktorrent is in loop warning message for recreate the data for .torrent because datafile is missing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123012
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #123016 in drupal (universe) "[Remove]  Please remove drupal from gutsy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123016
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #123018 in evolution (main) "Computer block when I compose a mail" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123018
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #123019 in gimp (main) "gimp-2.3 crashed with signal 5 in g_logv()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123019
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #123022 in gnome-desktop (main) "ubuntu applies an erroneous patch to gnome-desktop" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123022
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #123023 in texlive-base (main) "pdflatex complaits about a missing symbol when inserting a pdf figure" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123023
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #123024 in gnash (universe) "no sound from youtube" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123024
[01:30] <Gasten> Hello! How do I reject bugs?
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #123025 in gconf2 (main) "stop shipping static gconf translations, use gettext at runtime" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123025
[01:31] <persia> Gasten: It depends on why you want to reject.  If the bug doesn't have enough information, or is just plain wrong, "Invalid" is good.  If the bug is real, but it's a design decision, or there's another reason why it won't be done, use "Won't Fix".
[01:32] <Gasten> persia: If it's just plain wrong? as in bug #122986
[01:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122986 in python2.4 "Python logging module doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122986
[01:32] <Gasten> ah, you said it.
[01:33] <Gasten> sorry.
[01:33] <Gasten> Invalid it is.
[01:33] <persia> Gasten: Yep.  Just plain wrong :)
[01:34] <Gasten> Is there a way to put nice code-pieces in launchpad, that aren't patches? does like.. <code> or [code]  work?
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #123026 in compiz (main) "[gutsy tribe 2]  gnome-appearance-properties hangs everything" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123026
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #123027 in amsn (universe) "please upgrade to Amsn 0.97 RC1 in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123027
[01:50] <mikkael> hey guys, i installed "kde-tweak" from gutsy repos. it didnt add a menu-entry or a kcontrol module. should i file a bug against that package then ?
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #123028 in zaptel (universe) "can't compile zaptel in 7.04" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123028
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #123029 in kopete (main) "kopete crashes while I do.... nothing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123029
[01:53] <Gasten> mikkael: Yes, I suppose so.
[01:53] <mikkael> allright
[01:53] <mikkael> im also not able to run it from a terminal
[01:54] <Gasten> mikkael: ok. What commandare you using?
[01:54] <mikkael> i tried "tweak" "kde-tweak"
[01:54] <Gasten> mikkael: are you supposed to be able to reun it from the command line?
[01:55] <mikkael> i think so
[01:55] <mikkael> heres the link
[01:55] <mikkael> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=51170&forumpage=2
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #123030 in exim4 (main) "Please sync exim4 (main) from unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123030
[01:56] <Gasten> mikkael: you are on kubuntu,right?
[01:56] <mikkael> yes
[01:57] <Gasten> mikkael: have you tested all drop down menus? (drop up in kde, I supoose)
[01:57] <mikkael> yes, complete kmenu
[01:58] <Hobbsee> !ping
[01:58] <ubotu> pong
[01:58] <mikkael> but i thing it should be in the category "kde" which is missing in kubuntu
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #123031 in firefox (main) "Firefox loaded adobe flash 9. overlays web page under Linux. Site www.samsung.com/support/inex.asp. Does not occur under windows." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123031
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #123033 in live-helper (universe) "Please sync live-helper (universe) from unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123033
[02:01] <Gasten> mikkael: What version do you use?
[02:01] <Gasten> mikkael: do you have*
[02:01] <mikkael> gutsy and tweak is 0.2.2
[02:01] <Gasten> mikkael: ok.
[02:04] <Gasten> mikkael: I dont know. Ask at #kubuntu and file a bug. Poke me if you want.
[02:05] <mikkael> ill wait for the maintainer to come online, i have had several chats with him before
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #123032 in firefox (main) "blender and firefox together send graphics crazy?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123032
[02:07] <Gasten> mikkael: ok.
[02:09] <gnomefreak> anyone have konqueror on feisty and or gutsy to test a crash for me?
[02:09] <mikkael> would he helpful if a kubuntu gutsy user could try to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-tweak/+bug/123036
[02:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123036 in kde-tweak "no menu entry or kcontrol module for tweak" [Undecided,New]
[02:09] <mikkael> to make sure its not only my system :)
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #123035 in gnome-app-install (main) "Move games into gnome-game-install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123035
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #123034 in compiz-fusion-plugins-main (main) "libneg.so conflict with compiz-extra during update from Feisty to Gusty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123034
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #123036 in kde-tweak (universe) "no menu entry or kcontrol module for tweak" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123036
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123038 in p7zip (universe) "7z support under Ubuntu (and other Linux distros) is terrible" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123038
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #123039 in beryl-core (universe) "beryl won't start core dump" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123039
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #123040 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "nvidia fails to start after recent upgrade of linux-restricted-modules-* and nvidia-*" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123040
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #123041 in firefox (main) "Firefow Crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123041
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #123043 in gdm (main) "Spawns a new server and greeter instead of (during?) rebooting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123043
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #123044 in firefox (main) "Firefox calls external helper application without options" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123044
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #123045 in gnome-panel (main) "Launcher icon missing, red "X" displayed instead" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123045
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #123046 in kubuntu-artwork-kbfx (universe) "outdated themes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123046
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #123047 in compiz (main) "Fitt's law broken with Compiz Fusion" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123047
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #123048 in gtk+2.0 (main) "There should only be one GTKFileChooser, most not GnomeVFS aware, don't use Nautilus Places bookmarks" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123048
[03:43] <RainCT> Hi
[03:43] <RainCT> When a bug is forwarded to upstream should it be set to 'triaged'?
[03:43] <ScottK> If it's fully triaged.
[03:44] <persia> RainCT: It depends.  If the bug is ready to be fixed, yes.  If the bug is waiting for upstream feedback, no.
[03:44] <RainCT> ok thanks
[03:52] <seb128> RainCT: do you get bug #123045?
[03:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123045 in gnome-panel "Launcher icon missing, red "X" displayed instead" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123045
[03:53] <RainCT> seb128: I'm on Feisty
[03:54] <seb128> RainCT: why did you confirm and milestone it then? ;)
[03:54] <RainCT> seb128: I've not confirmed it, I set the importance to Low
[03:54] <RainCT> status is still new
[03:54] <seb128> ** Changed in: gnome-panel (Ubuntu)
[03:54] <seb128>      Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop Bugs => (unassigned)
[03:54] <seb128>        Status: Incomplete => New
[03:54] <seb128>        Target: None => tribe-3
[03:55] <seb128> I think the assignee and status is because you changed it just after me without reloading ;)
[03:55] <seb128> but why the target change?
[03:56] <RainCT> ah yes, you edited it 1 minute before me :P
[03:56] <RainCT> should I set it back to Incomplete?
[03:57] <seb128> RainCT: I'll do it, I'm just wondering if you set the target for a reason or if that's a mistake ;)
[04:00] <RainCT> seb128: I just tought that if it gets confirmed it would be good to get that fixed in the next release since it seems easy to do and can avoid user confusion. was that ok or should I leave that field for the developers?
[04:01] <seb128> RainCT: better to leave it, especially if you don't confirm the bug youself
[04:01] <RainCT> seb128: ok, thanks :)
[04:02] <seb128> you're welcome
[04:02] <seb128> thank you for the bug work ;)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> ScottK: about what?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> ScottK: that anyone can milestone?
[04:04] <ScottK> No about the collision between the two near synchronous updates, but about anyone can milestone isn't a bad one either.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> ScottK: they are able to propose a gutsy task, but the milestones are unrestricted.  that seems odd, yes.
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #123049 in sound-juicer (main) "A popup window message appears every time I launch sound-juicer when I delete a profile created before." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123049
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #123050 in udev (main) "udevd uses 140% CPU" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123050
[04:07] <RainCT> ScottK: are you going to report the collision issue?
[04:12] <Admiral_Chicago> morning everyone
[04:17] <ScottK> RainCT: No.  I think you should.  I'm on my way out the door.
[04:18] <RainCT> okay will do it now then
[04:27] <Sweetrelease> is it a known issue that i can only play sound from one program at a time?
[04:28] <Sweetrelease> if im using rythmbox and i want to watch something on youtube i have to quit rythmbox first
[04:28] <persia> Sweetrelease: There are issues related to that, but most of them should be solved.
[04:28] <Sweetrelease> ok, can you point me in the direction of solving them
[04:29] <Hobbsee> run firefox with "aoss firefox"
[04:29] <Hobbsee> should solve the problem
[04:29] <Hobbsee> well, as a workaround
[04:29] <persia> Sweetrelease: I'm not an expert with sound, but things that worked for me were 1) using ALSA instead of OSS, and 2) using a software mixer (esd or pulseaudio).
[04:30] <Sweetrelease> ok, ill try that when i get home, thx
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123051 in nautilus-cd-burner (main) "CD/DVD burner doesn't ask for conformation on cancel" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123051
[04:31] <Admiral_Chicago> bug 107783
[04:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107783 in firefox "Embedded flash-animation covers DHTML menu" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107783
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #123052 in nautilus-cd-burner (main) "CD/DVD  burner needs different icon for completion" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123052
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #123053 in tora (universe) "Can't insert single quote in SQL Editor" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123053
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #123055 in Ubuntu "OEM install Ubuntu hangs @ 91% (setting up Linux-generic)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123055
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #123056 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus FTP miscounts file queu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123056
[04:47] <RainCT> bug 123059 reported
[04:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123059 in launchpad "Bug modification collision warning" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123059
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #123057 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu 7.04 hangs after I close and reopen laptop lid" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123057
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #123060 in compiz (main) "compiz-kde/intel: no stencil buffer error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123060
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #123061 in restricted-manager (main) "Nvidia driver install through restricted driver manager does not work until repository update is done" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123061
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #123062 in apport (main) "apport-gtk crashed with AssertionError in __setitem__()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123062
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #123064 in eclipse (universe) "Upgrade to Eclipse 3.3" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123064
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123063 in firefox (main) "Firefox Segmentation Fault - nsRuleNode.h: No such file or directory." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123063
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123065 in gnome-applets (main) "trashapplet crashed with SIGSEGV in trash_monitor_get_item_count()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123065
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123066 in pidgin (main) "pidgin crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_text_buffer_get_insert()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123066
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #123067 in xchat-gnome (main) "Embedding Userlist into main window" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123067
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #123068 in pbuilder (main) "pbuilder-satisfydepends-gdebi needs --force-yes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123068
[05:50] <killown> hi guys
[05:50] <killown>  I have set gusty repository in sources.list does it repository to let my system  instable though?
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #123037 in kvirc (universe) "KVIrc irc:// URI Handler Command Execution Vulnerability" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123037
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #123069 in Ubuntu "update manager crashes when run" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123069
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #123072 in kde-guidance (main) "display settings do not restore" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123072
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #123070 in mozilla (universe) "mozilla.bin wurde unerwartet beendet" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123070
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #123071 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Hibernation on Gutsy Tribe-2 hangs on "Power down" on GA-8I945GZME-RH motherboard" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123071
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #123073 in Ubuntu "Package "UML for LaTeX/MetaPost"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123073
[06:02] <bdmurray> killown: what exactly do you mean?
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #123075 in Debian "Logitech VXrevolution does NOT INSTALL or WORK!" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123075
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #123076 in cacti (universe) "/usr/share/cacti/site/poller.php failed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123076
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #123078 in Ubuntu "System -> Quit takes a long time to appear" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123078
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #123079 in Ubuntu "esword will not launch" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123079
[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #123080 in Ubuntu "Booting after hibernation doesn't prompt for a password" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123080
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #123081 in apparmor (universe) "kernel panic - oops when accessing /proc/pid/attr/current" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123081
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #123082 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in compLogMessage()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123082
[06:54] <polopolo> hello all, when must I set in launchpad the status Triged?
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #123083 in firefox (main) "firefox hangs on open dialog" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123083
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #123084 in openoffice.org (main) "package openoffice.org-common 2.2.1-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: Abhngigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123084
[06:57] <bdmurray> polopolo: What exactly do you mean?  What is the criteria for marking a bug as Triaged?
[06:59] <polopolo> yes
[07:03] <polopolo> bdmurray: that is what I mean
[07:06] <Neolithium> bug 123064 is a wishlist for anyone who has some time :)
[07:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123064 in eclipse "Upgrade to Eclipse 3.3" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123064
[07:06] <bdmurray> polopolo: Triaged indicates that you believe that there is enough information for a developer to work on the bug.
[07:07] <polopolo> bdmurray: for upstream, or is it only for ubuntuQA?
[07:09] <bdmurray> polopolo: What do you mean regarding Ubuntu QA?  When I said developer I meant an Ubuntu developer or upstream developer.
[07:12] <polopolo> bdmurray: ah ok, I think ready for send to a upstream.
[07:12] <bdmurray> polopolo: out of curiousity what bug is it?
[07:18] <ubotu> New bug: #123088 in Ubuntu "Audio Input still does not function" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123088
[07:18] <ubotu> New bug: #123089 in gnome-panel (main) "I am missing my bottom panel, the "taskbar" one that my windows minimize to" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123089
[07:19] <ubotu> New bug: #123085 in Ubuntu "Alcor Micro USB card reader stopped working after kernel upgrade to 2.6.20-16" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123085
[07:19] <ubotu> New bug: #123087 in network-manager-pptp (universe) "nm-vpn-properties missing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123087
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #123092 in network-manager-applet (main) "NetworkManger freezes the pc at session stratup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123092
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #123090 in tracker (universe) "tracker-search-tool crashed with SIGSEGV in tracker_search_text_detailed()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123090
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #123091 in Ubuntu "flashplayer stops audio from times to times" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123091
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #119211 in Ubuntu "Cannot Launch Firestarter Firewall" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119211
[07:29] <jjesse> hiya bdmurray
[07:29] <bdmurray> howdy, how's it going?
[07:30] <jjesse> good been traveling a lot for work so its nice to be home getting caught up
[07:30] <bdmurray> that's nice
[07:32] <bdmurray> where did you go?
[07:32] <jjesse> chicago illionis, ann arbor mi, columbus ohio
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #123093 in Ubuntu "samba auth issues" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123093
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #123094 in knetworkmanager (main) "Tooltip says 'wired' for wireless connection" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123094
[07:41] <bdmurray> jjesse: do you know anything about the translation process?
[07:41] <jjesse> bdmurray: not really, i know that you used to have to wait for string freeze t ostart translating
[07:42] <jjesse> but i thought that changed
[07:42] <jjesse> docs don't get uploaded until after string freeze if i recall correctly
[07:44] <bdmurray> A more detailed question would have been how do translations get started.
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #123096 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in cairo_set_line_width()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123096
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #123097 in gnome-cups-manager (main) "gnome-cups-icon crashing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123097
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #123098 in gpm (main) "gpm 1.19.6-23build1 binary incompatibility in wire protocol with gpm-1.20.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123098
[08:12] <ubotu> New bug: #123086 in laptop-mode-tools (main) "laptop mode tools not running" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123086
[08:12] <bdmurray> polopolo: Yes, I am.  For quite a while too
[08:12] <polopolo> ok
[08:12] <polopolo> I was back a few min
[08:14] <polopolo> bdmurray, but may you bugs with status 'triaged' be upstream to the devolper
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #123099 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "USB to ethernet interface not networked after hibernation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123099
[08:15] <bdmurray> polopolo: I'm not sure I understand what you are asking.
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #123100 in openoffice.org (main) "package ttf-opensymbol 2.2.1-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 29" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123100
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #123101 in openoffice.org (main) "package python-uno 2.2.1-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123101
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> bug 49613
[08:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 49613 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash plugin always rendered on top of html" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49613
[08:30] <bdmurray> geser: You do a fair amount of work with needs-packaging bugs right?
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123102 in ubiquity (main) "Installation of GRUB on a reiserfs partition always fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123102
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123103 in firefox-granparadiso (universe) "FF3 changing workspace" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123103
[08:32] <Neolithium> I'm just multitasking like crazy so that time passes until tomorrow. LOL
[08:34] <geser> bdmurray: not really, I only check if it is tagged correctly and set to wishlist if I see one when looking at bugs
[08:35] <bdmurray> Neolithium: what is tomorrow?
[08:35] <bdmurray> geser: Do you think the bugs tagged needs-packaging are up to date or could some cleanup be done?
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #123105 in Ubuntu "No boot splash on fresh install of feisty using kubuntu shipit cd" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123105
[08:37] <Kmos> bdmurray: maybe you need to check out if there is a new version and update the bug ?
[08:37] <Neolithium> bdmurray - My new Dell PC should be here before 5pm CST :)  So I've been spending the day hitting bugs, backing up my music to DVD and burning Ubuntu 64bit to CD so I can get things up quickly tomorrow :)
[08:38] <bdmurray> Kmos: I was curious if there are any needs-packaging bugs open for things that are already packaged.
[08:38] <bdmurray> Neolithium: You didn't buy one of the Ubuntu Dells?
[08:39] <Neolithium> No, they don't have those available from Dell Canada yet :(
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #123106 in gnome-session (main) "The Gnome session takes too much time to load" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123106
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #123107 in vbetool (main) "vbetool crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123107
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #123109 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  gnome-voice" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123109
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #123110 in monodevelop (universe) "MonoDevelop.exe crashed with SIGSEGV in g_datalist_clear()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123110
[08:47] <geser> bdmurray: there might be perhaps some bugs that could be closed but most are probably still open
[08:49] <Kmos> need to filter them by tag needs-packaging
[08:49] <Kmos> i closed a few ones of gqview now :)
[08:49] <Kmos> fixed on gutsy
[08:49] <geser> that gives a list with over 300 bugs
[08:50] <Kmos> :-)
[08:50] <Kmos> if someone had time :) can check them
[08:51] <geser> bdmurray: luckily most bugs I checked have all needed info: URL and a short description, some also mention the licencse. perhaps a template could be created what info should by supplied
[08:52] <geser> like URL, licence, description
[08:52] <geser> so that one can see the relevant parts at one glance
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #123111 in kdebase (main) "installing package from konqueror uses dpkg, does not provide automatic dependency resolution" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123111
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #123112 in update-manager (main) "update-manager crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123112
[09:03] <shirish> anybody got any bugs they want me to get confirmed
[09:08] <Neolithium> Hey bdmurray, I was just looking through bug 122806 ; and while the points are valid, as the regular repos have the bug affected Java version, Java 6 has been backported to Dapper.  Should it be closed off and left to a support issue?
[09:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122806 in sun-java5 "Eclipse bugfix requires Java 1.5.0_08" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122806
[09:10] <bdmurray> Kmos: I was thinking it was something we could add to the bug day bugs
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #123113 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123113
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #123114 in openoffice.org (main) "When I try to introduce some simple calculations in Calc open office it closes." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123114
[09:11] <Kmos> bdmurray: bug 121858
[09:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121858 in squeak-vm "Please upgrade to new upstream version 3.9" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121858
[09:11] <Kmos> if you want to do a package :)
[09:12] <Kmos> bdmurray: yeah.. some part of hug day.. now in LP v1.1.7 it will close old bugs with incomplete/needs info
[09:12] <Kmos> it will close a lot of bugs
[09:12] <bdmurray> Kmos: where? incomplete & needs info?
[09:13] <polopolo> on bug #123105 , should I reject it, or not?
[09:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123105 in Ubuntu "No boot splash on fresh install of feisty using kubuntu shipit cd" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123105
[09:13] <Kmos> bdmurray: https://help.launchpad.net/ComingFeatures
[09:13] <polopolo> Because I think it's for the forum
[09:17] <shirish> bdmurray: any bug you would like me to confirm, I had fun the other day (although slightly slow on the uptake)
[09:17] <bdmurray> polopolo: what do you mean about the forum in re to bug 123105?
[09:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123105 in Ubuntu "No boot splash on fresh install of feisty using kubuntu shipit cd" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123105
[09:18] <Kmos> polopolo: i don't think so
[09:18] <polopolo> ok
[09:18] <Kmos> it's really a bug
[09:18] <polopolo> ok
[09:18] <Kmos> now, we need to found the package of usplash for kubuntu
[09:18] <polopolo> My fault, :D
[09:18] <Kmos> if it's the same
[09:20] <polopolo> oops, hwo can I edit my massage in launchpad?
[09:20] <Kmos> what message?
[09:20] <Kmos> polopolo: ask on #launchpad
[09:20] <polopolo> ok
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #123115 in nxml-mode (universe) "install script does not compile unicode XXXX-XXXX.el files (dup-of: 88336)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123115
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #123116 in evince (main) "evince-thumbnailer crashed with SIGSEGV in Object::fetch()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123116
[09:21] <shirish> Kmos: willing to help, on gutsy, any easy bugs which need confirmation or something ?
[09:21] <bdmurray> shirish: I have an idea stanby
[09:21] <shirish> bdmurray: sure cool :P
[09:22] <bdmurray> shirish: hmm, the idea didn't pan out
[09:22] <shirish> bdmurray: ok :(
[09:27] <Kmos> shirish: check LP, don't know
[09:27] <Kmos> i like more to check old ones :)
[09:28] <Kmos> shirish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=New&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Incomplete&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=&start=4575
[09:28] <Kmos> i'm here now
[09:28] <Kmos> =)
[09:29] <bdmurray> The bugs without a package could use some help too
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #123117 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123117
[09:33] <bdmurray> polopolo: so for bug 123105 I would set package to usplash for now and ask for their /boot/grub/menu.lst contents to see if usplash is not listed for some reason
[09:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123105 in Ubuntu "No boot splash on fresh install of feisty using kubuntu shipit cd" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123105
[09:34] <bdmurray> it is odd though because I thought ubuntu and kubuntu use the same boot splash
[09:37] <shirish> Kmos: bdmurray: guys, I just remembered I have been having an issue as well, well the thing is whenever I close down ubuntu I get strange weird messages from network manager , now I know the data is in one of the logs in /var/log but which one?
[09:38] <Kmos> bdmurray: any idea of the package for bug 46343 ? xkb doesn't exist, only xxkb.. but don't know
[09:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46343 in Ubuntu "Keyboard layout view seems broken" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46343
[09:39] <Kmos> shirish: hm
[09:40] <bdmurray> shirish: /var/log/daemon.log
[09:42] <bdmurray> Kmos: Do you know how to get to that applet?
[09:43] <Kmos> bdmurray: really don't
[09:43] <Kmos> maybe it's in the installation ?
[09:43] <Kmos> kmos@bash:~$ sudo apt-cache search xkb
[09:44] <bdmurray> I think xkb is a red herring
[09:45] <bdmurray> However it is possible that it was removed after Dapper so you could go to http://packages.ubuntu.com and search for it there.
[09:46] <Kmos> there is
[09:46] <Kmos> xkeyboard-config
[09:47] <bdmurray> !xkeyboard-config
[09:47] <Kmos> !info xkeyboard-config
[09:47] <bdmurray> !info xkeyboard-config
[09:47] <Kmos> :)
[09:47] <bdmurray> heh
[09:47] <ubotu> xkeyboard-config: Transitional package for xkb-data. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.9-4ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 21 kB, installed size 52 kB
[09:47] <bdmurray> hmm
[09:47] <Kmos> and there is also
[09:47] <Kmos> fbxkb
[09:48] <Kmos> xkb was replaced by xxkb i think
[09:49] <jerome_> hello all
[09:50] <bdmurray> jerome_: hello
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #123118 in firefox-granparadiso (universe) "FF3, installed plugins not used" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123118
[09:50] <bdmurray> Kmos: I am powering on a Dapper virtual machine
[09:50] <jerome_> i'm wondering if bug #50707 is really a bug?
[09:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50707 in sun-java5 "JDK docs not listed in yelp" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50707
[09:51] <jerome_> should yelp manage all help files ?
[09:51] <shirish> jerome_: hey
[09:51] <jerome_> or just the gnome ones ?
[09:51] <jerome_> shirish : hey
[09:51] <bdmurray> I'd subscribe ubuntu-docs
[09:51] <jerome_> bdmurray : ok
[09:51] <shirish> jerome_: got anything new for me to look at?
[09:51] <bdmurray> As they are familiar with yelp
[09:51] <jerome_> shirish : i'll have a look and tell you
[09:52] <jerome_> shirish : but if you don't know what to do just pick one out of the 12k : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=New&field.importance%3Alist=Undecided&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_contact=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&fiel
[09:52] <jerome_> d.tag=&field.has_cve.used=&field.has_no_package.used=
[09:53] <shirish> jerome_: I know there are 12k , I was thinking more like the slune & balazar that we did yesterday, the easy ones :)
[09:54] <jerome_> shirish : you can have a look at the xmoto ones they are quite easy and a brand new version has been uploaded to gutsy : most of them must be fixed now
[09:55] <bdmurray> Kmos: I don't see anything like that in Dapper
[09:55] <shirish> jerome_: xmoto is a package?
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #123119 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed when using" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123119
[09:56] <shirish> ubotu xmoto
[09:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xmoto - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:56] <jerome_> shirish : a game yes
[09:56] <Nafallo> !info xmoto gutsy
[09:56] <shirish> aha ok
[09:56] <ubotu> xmoto: 2D motocross platform game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.0-2 (gutsy), package size 982 kB, installed size 2732 kB
[09:56] <jerome_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmoto/+bugs
[09:57] <shirish> jerome_: btw I made a post about both the games in my forum, they are quite a find :)
[09:59] <shirish> jerome_: I would be installing xmoto soon, one thing though, i have an aging i845 chipset, no external graphics stuff.
[09:59] <jerome_> shirish : ok, good for the games :)
[10:01] <shirish> oh goody cool :P
[10:02] <bdmurray> shirish: If you want to triage some bugs these are probably related to sound issues
[10:02] <bdmurray> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/27831/
[10:03] <shirish> bdmurray: thanx, goody enough to spend the night with :)
[10:04] <shirish> ok will come back to haunt you guys tomorrow :)
[10:04] <Neolithium> LOL
[10:06] <bdmurray> Neolithium: do you have a second
[10:07] <Neolithium> bdmurray Absolutely :)
[10:08] <bdmurray> Could you look at bug 41748?
[10:08] <Neolithium> bdmurray I might be idle for a minute or two; gotta grab a bottle for the baby.
[10:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41748 in control-center "Incorrect taborder in gnome-about-me" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41748
[10:08] <bdmurray> sure, no problem
[10:10] <polopolo> what to do if a bug is for gutsy?
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #123120 in Ubuntu "Gutsy installation fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123120
[10:11] <bdmurray> polopolo: what do you mean?
[10:11] <bdmurray> a bug is a bug regardless of release
[10:11] <polopolo> bug #123121
[10:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123121 in firefox-granparadiso "firefox-granparadiso-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in raise()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123121
[10:11] <bdmurray> well, unless it is breezy ;)
[10:12] <bdmurray> The automated crash reports like that don't need much attention.
[10:12] <polopolo> So keep it?
[10:14] <polopolo> bdmurray: keep it?
[10:14] <bdmurray> Neolithium: That was a tough bug though.
[10:14] <bdmurray> polopolo: yes, keep it.  it will get retraced sometime by the retracer
[10:14] <polopolo> ok
[10:15] <bdmurray> and the stack trace looks good
[10:16] <Neolithium> bdmurray Yeah. My bad.
[10:16] <bdmurray> Neolithium: the package in lp was renamed to gnome-control-center instead of just control-center
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #123121 in firefox-granparadiso (universe) "firefox-granparadiso-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in raise()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123121
[10:16] <bdmurray> So that is one tricky thing
[10:17] <bdmurray> And plus it is really subjective
[10:18] <Neolithium> Yeah, I noticed that they were 2 different package assignments, which, I actually should have checked through the control center ones too, in hindsight.
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #123123 in banshee (universe) "Chinese characters in playlist" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123123
[10:20] <bdmurray> Cool
[10:20] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with vnc?  I think I found a bug, but not sure... seems the new vncviewer can't allow vnc servers that run with RDP version 3.3 to connect to a vncviewer -listen which is expecting version 3.8.  This is with Gutsy
[10:20] <bdmurray> The summary of the original looks good / descriptive
[10:21] <bdmurray> So other people should be able to find it in the future
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #123122 in ubiquity (main) "Partition tool fails to launch (dup-of: 122645)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123122
[10:21] <bdmurray> bur[n] er: How did you come to that conclusion?
[10:21] <jerome_> is bug 78367 a motu matter ?
[10:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78367 in mosml "extend mosml package to include optional libraries (patch included)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78367
[10:22] <Neolithium> bdmurray, can I get your opinion on a bug?  Bug 121796  seems like it is gimp that causes a problem with the nautilus right click menu, though I can't reproduce it or find anything like it.
[10:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121796 in gimp "multiple non-working "Open With>Gimp" entries" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121796
[10:22] <bur[n] er> bdmurray: because i ran "vncviewer -listen" and had someone with Windows XP and UltraVNC connect to me with a reverse vnc connection
[10:22] <ScottK> jerome_: Yes.
[10:22] <bdmurray> and that was in the logs or something?
[10:22] <bur[n] er> and it said version 3.3 came in, but I never saw their screen... if I don't use the "copyrect" encoding, i get a screen, but it's soooooooo slow
[10:23] <jerome_> ScottK : I can assign to MOTUs ?
[10:23] <bur[n] er> this used to work with feisty's older vncviewer
[10:23] <ScottK> jerome_: NO.
[10:23] <ScottK> jerome_: Did you build and test the patch?
[10:23] <bdmurray> bur[n] er: it could be a bug but thinking about it I'm not sure what the fix would be
[10:24] <jerome_> ScottK : no, but i can if you want
[10:24] <jerome_> although I'm not sure I know how to do that :)
[10:24] <ScottK> jerome_: If you do that and you are convinced you have a good patch, you can subscribe (not assign) ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug.  It should be a debdiff.
[10:25] <ScottK> jerome_: Ask for help in #ubuntu-motu.
[10:25] <jerome_> ScottK : ok, and yes it's a debdiff
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #123124 in totem (main) "totem does not block the screensaver" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123124
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #123125 in ubiquity (main) "gksu or sudo missed in ubiquity" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123125
[10:26] <bur[n] er> bdmurray: I don't know that it's related to the different RFB versions or the copyrect
[10:26] <bur[n] er> bdmurray: it works when I have someone run "x11vnc -connect myipaddress" but I can't help Windows users anymore :|
[10:26] <shirish> oops, one thing guys, if an application takes control how do I kill it?
[10:26] <bur[n] er> shirish: alt+f2, xkill, click the app
[10:26] <bdmurray> bur[n] er: have them run Ubuntu instead?
[10:27] <shirish> bur[n] er: thanx
[10:27] <bur[n] er> bdmurray: that'd be the easy thing for sure, but unfortunately, these are business relations who are tied to windows for reason x or y
[10:28] <bur[n] er> too bad too, I really liked the new gtk toolbars of the new vncviewer
[10:28] <bdmurray> bur[n] er: I understand.  Submitting a bug sounds good - with as much information as possible and I'll be happy to take a quick peak at it.
[10:29] <bur[n] er> bdmurray: thanks, I'm guessing it's an upstream issue... lp still the right place?
[10:31] <bdmurray> bur[n] er: Ideally you would submit a bug in launchpad about the Ubuntu issue and then submit a bug to upstream and "link" the bug reports in Launchpad.
[10:31] <bur[n] er> wow
[10:31] <bdmurray> bug 41478 shows what a linked bug looks like
[10:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41478 in easyubuntu "nothing done when clicking on OK" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41478
[10:31] <bdmurray> nope
[10:31] <bdmurray> dyslexia strikes again
[10:31] <bdmurray> bug 41748
[10:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41748 in control-center "Incorrect taborder in gnome-about-me" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41748
[10:32] <bur[n] er> no worries, I can figure it out... just tedious... but I would cry if it weren't fixed for Gutsy, so I'm off... thanks bdmurray
[10:32] <bdmurray> bur[n] er: thank you and good luck
[10:34] <Neolithium> WOO HOO! Thanks bdmurray :)
[10:35] <shirish> jerome_: you there?
[10:35] <bdmurray> Thank you and remember that "With great power comes great responsibility." :)
[10:35] <jerome_> shirish : yep
[10:35] <jerome_> Neolithium : congrats
[10:36] <Neolithium> now if I could only use this power to make my daughter take her nap, it'd be all good. LOL
[10:39] <shirish> jerome_: while I do not the crash like in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmoto/+bug/111425
[10:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111425 in xmoto "x-moto can't  run" [Medium,Incomplete]
[10:39] <jerome_> shirish : ok thx
[10:39] <shirish> jerome_: but I do get some kind of flickering thing going on
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #123126 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.20 (main) "After kernel update to 2.6.20-16 on Acer Extensa 4014 I lost sound" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123126
[10:41] <polopolo> is the status 'needs info' now 'incomplete' or 'in progress'?
[10:41] <shirish> jerome_: and it takes kinda the whole thing, doing ALT+F2 doesn't bring the xkill thing, the only way to do that is run the game in windowed mode.
[10:42] <shirish> guys isn't there some application with which I can take a screencast, anybody remember?
[10:42] <jerome_> shirish : ok
[10:43] <shirish> jerome_: I could get a screencast of it flickering if it can be helpful.
[10:43] <polopolo>  is the status 'needs info' now 'incomplete' or 'in progress'?
[10:44] <jerome_> shirish : no it's ok, it was just to know if it worked wthout crashing
[10:47] <shirish> jerome_: I haven't progressed to the point of playing, there is considerable flickering so can't make even a profile. but it doesn't crash at startup if that's what you are asking.
[10:47] <polopolo> And is a ubuntuQA member here to change the importance on bug #123127
[10:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123127 in Ubuntu "Sync request pybridge 0.3.0-1 from Debian sid main" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123127
[10:47] <jerome_> shirish : ok you can report a bug about flickering, do you run compiz ?
[10:48] <shirish> jerome_: nope, no compiz
[10:49] <jerome_> shirish : ok
[10:50] <shirish> ubotu screencast
[10:50] <ubotu> Some programs to capture your screen are Istanbul, Wink, Gvidcap, Xvidcap, vnc2swf, demorecorder.  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts.
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #123127 in pybridge (universe) "Sync request pybridge 0.3.0-1 from Debian sid main" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123127
[10:54] <shirish> ubotu quicktime
[10:54] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:56] <bdmurray> persia: hello?
[10:56] <persia> bdmurray: Hello.
[10:58] <bdmurray> persia: keescook, and me a little, got celestia updated and then I noticed bug 111081 which seems to be about celestia not having a translation for the .desktop file
[10:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111081 in celestia "Celestia menu entry is in a bad place" [Wishlist,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111081
[10:59] <persia> Odd.  I thought that Categories was language independent.
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #123128 in Ubuntu "notification popups displayed partially outside screen" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123128
[11:02] <bdmurray> persia: really? How would we find out for sure?
[11:03] <persia> bdmurray: I'm rereading the spec now, and will check with a couple other locales in a bit.  I don't use es_ES, but I don't expect it's specific to that locale.
[11:05] <bdmurray> But for en_US it is in Science
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #123129 in Ubuntu "Inserting an SD card disabled my ipw2200 and the SD slot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123129
[11:06] <bdmurray> Or Education
[11:06] <persia> bdmurray: Really?  I have it for Education (Science is not a Main Category).
[11:07] <bdmurray> persia: Well kubuntu has it under Edutainment -> Science
[11:07] <persia> bdmurray: Ah.  That makes sense.  I thought there was a bug about the "Edutainment" name, but I guess it was skipped in Kubuntu.
[11:09] <persia> Right.  Bug 37921.
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 37921 in gnome-app-install "Edutainment, you mispelled Education" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/37921
[11:09] <persia> Anyway.  Off to check some more locales.  Be back in a bit.
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #123130 in gkrellm (universe) "gkrellm crashing on a regular basis" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123130
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #123131 in compizconfig-settings-manager (universe) "ccsm crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123131
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #123132 in firefox (main) "Mouse arrow flicker while playing google video and hover footer index" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123132
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #123133 in gnome-applets (main) "mixer_applet2 crashed on logon (dup-of: 122594)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123133
[11:22] <persia> bdmurray: It shows under (translated equivalents of) Education for both ru_RU and ja_JP as well.
[11:24] <persia> bdmurray: looking at the bug in a little more detail, I think this is fixed with 1.4.1-0ubuntu3 due to the Category updates.  Previously it probably only had "Science", handling of which was a little odd.
[11:24] <bdmurray> persia: I'm clueless about translations.  Where do they exist?
[11:25] <bdmurray> Each .desktop file is translated but the words in them?
[11:25] <persia> bdmurray: For .desktop files, they are inline.  For the menus, I'm less sure.  Let me have a look.
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #123135 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  xfce4-cellmodem-plugin" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123135
[11:25] <bdmurray> I mean isn't.
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #123136 in compiz (main) "login screen stays on desktop" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123136
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #123137 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  xfce4-eyes-plugin" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123137
[11:26] <persia> bdmurray: "Categories" looks like English, but it's actually a list of reserved keywords, designed to be machine readable.  Name and Comment can be translated inline (take a look at some of the .desktop files for main in /usr/share/applications for an example).
[11:28] <persia> bdmurray: More generally, it looks like translations are stored under /usr/share/locale-langpack
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123138 in Ubuntu "evolution losing connection w/exchange server" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123138
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123139 in base-files (main) "Add GPLv3 to /usr/share/common-licenses" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123139
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123140 in Ubuntu "Internal card reader does not work on Acer Extensa 4014" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123140
[11:33] <persia> So, for example, I would expect the menu labels for Pacho under /usr//usr/share/locale-langpack/es/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-menus.mo
[11:34] <bdmurray> okay
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #123141 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  xfce4-timer-plugin" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123141
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #123142 in timer-applet (universe) "timer-applet crashed with GError in begin" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123142
[11:40] <persia> bdmurray: Right.  Looking at the Feisty source, both GTK and KDE .desktops are shipped (no idea why).  KDE has no Categories, and GTK has "Astronomy;Science;Application;", which would show as "Other Applications" under feisty (against which the bug was reported).
[11:40] <persia> So, Kees fixed the bug already :)
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #123143 in Ubuntu "packagesearch : Segmentation fault (core dumped)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123143
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #123144 in tilp (universe) "Tilp segfaults and can't be run on Feisty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123144
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #123145 in microcode.ctl (multiverse) "package microcode.ctl 1.17-1 failed to install: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 128" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123145
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #123146 in pidgin (main) "pidgin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123146
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #123147 in upstart (main) "only boots to single user with lvm and certain hostnames" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123147


[00:47] <mup> Bug #2044895 opened: MAAS server becomes sluggish due to excessive postgres queries <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2044895>
[04:32] <mup> Bug #1962827 changed: PCIe NIC appears in Network tab but not in PCI Devices Tab <hwcert-server> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1962827>
[10:26] <parlos> Good Morning, is there a way to trigger a rack controller to re-read its network config? Without removing and adding it?
[10:47] <mup> Bug #2045020 opened: cloud-config-url fails to parse if booting over PXE ipv6 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2045020>
[10:50] <mup> Bug #2045020 changed: cloud-config-url fails to parse if booting over PXE ipv6 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2045020>
[10:53] <mup> Bug #2045020 opened: cloud-config-url fails to parse if booting over PXE ipv6 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2045020>


[14:56] <akscram> Hi, how can I run the job under special user and group?
[15:06] <JanC_> akscram: use 'su'
[15:23] <akscram> JanC: 10x, but for user without shell I must run su with -s option but it is potential security risk
[15:26] <akscram> interest question is why upstart natively not support optional execution jobs under non-privileged users
[15:28] <wraiden> because most of the services out there are capable of dropping priviledges and no one stepped up to implement a user change? sysv init even doesn't support this by it self...
[15:30] <wraiden> would be a huge can of worms to implement that. one needs to pull in pam if one want to support environmental updates on user change...
[15:30] <akscram> I no try compare SysV and upstart but this problem is important
[15:32] <wraiden> writ a sh script for it and include that in your job config
[15:32] <JanC> akscram: what exactly would be the security risk?
[15:46] <akscram> JanC: service potential have vulnerabilities and attacker can have user with shell to run some operation
[15:48] <JanC> if the service has vulnerabilities, doesn't that already pose the same problem?
[15:51] <akscram> wraiden: interesting but it is no solution give the user to decide the problem itself
[15:52] <akscram> yes I wrote script..end script becouse I haven't other solutions
[15:56] <akscram> JanC: I say potentialy but all known problems are fixed in the service
[15:57] <JanC> what I mean is: _when_ there is a security problem in a service, then it doesn't really matter whether you use su or something else...?
[16:09] <akscram> JanC: exactly but in breaking case attacker have more possibilities in one case
[16:59] <JanC> I don't see exactly what extra possibilities that would give, but maybe I'm looking over it...


[09:29] <magespawn> howdy all
[09:30] <magespawn> Maaz seen Kilos
[09:30] <Maaz> magespawn: Kilos was last seen 2 days, 15 hours, 42 minutes and 47 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2017-09-14 19:47:20 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2017-09-14 19:47:27 SAST
[13:25] <magespawn> bye