[00:01] <Gargoyle> apart from it being a waste of space, is it possible to burn a CD .iso to DVD?
[00:21] <pwnguin> mathiaz: i understand you're looking for evolution-mapi testers?
[00:21] <mathiaz> pwnguin: yes
[00:21] <mathiaz> pwnguin: if you have access to an exchange infrastructure and have some time to help out testing the evolution-mapi plugin, it would be very helpful
[00:22] <pwnguin> well, i have an ubuntu desktop, and an organization exchange account
[00:22] <pwnguin> i also have a toy exchange domain but that's kinda for student and all
[00:23] <mathiaz> pwnguin: great. To get started you'd have to install the evolution mapi plugin
[00:23] <pwnguin> right
[00:23] <mathiaz> pwnguin: and see if you can connect to the exchange server
[00:23] <pwnguin> this is different than the old evolution plugin
[00:23] <pwnguin> right?
[00:23] <mathiaz> pwnguin: I would try with a test account if you can - just to make sure that you don't loose any data
[00:24] <mathiaz> pwnguin: correct - the new plugin uses the openchange library to talk to the exchange server
[00:24] <pwnguin> so what's the test regimen?
[00:25] <pwnguin> install, configure and send an email to ubuntu-server?
[00:26] <mathiaz> pwnguin: yes - we haven't written up a test case yet.
[00:26] <mathiaz> pwnguin: but it seems that this would be a good first step.
[00:26] <mathiaz> pwnguin: if you think about other tests, let us know on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:26] <nrich> anyone know how to install ubuntu 9.04 as a PV guest on xenserver
[00:27] <pwnguin> hmm
[00:27] <pwnguin> well right now im blessed with super duper fast internet updates. blazing 14kb/sec
[00:27] <pwnguin> and im hearing someone complain that the mail server must be slow. so i may wait till tomorrow to test :)
[00:28] <pwnguin> but ive got a general idea of what i need to finally ditch outlook
[00:44] <wizardslovak> are here any web developers?
[00:45] <mikegriffin> wizardslovak: #web or #php or #java are better bets
[00:45] <mikegriffin> but if your question is on-topic, feel free to ask
[00:47] <wizardslovak> ok forget it lol
[00:49] <pwnguin> is opsview non-free? i dont quite get why they publish a repo for it but it's not in ubuntu proper
[00:55] <slestak> i think I want to try to port screen-profiles to aix.  i have most of what i need.  i have python 2.5, screen 4.0.3, gettext.  only thing missing might be newt
[00:59] <slestak> i see the guy that did installed in on rhel used alien tomake an rpm.  i have rpm installed on my aix box.  think that would be awaste to do it that way?
[01:27] <wizardslovak> i got problem
[01:28] <wizardslovak> i did upload index.html to /var/www but i still see old index.html
[01:30] <mikegriffin> wizardslovak: restart browser, verify correct DocumentRoot
[01:31] <wizardslovak> how i can view folders in /var/www
[01:32] <mikegriffin> clarify please
[01:32] <wizardslovak> ok well i made vhost and i think that file might be actually somewhere else
[01:33] <wizardslovak> thats why i want to see what folders i have in /var/www
[01:34] <mikegriffin> this seems like a #apache question, but have you specified a DocumentRoot in your vhost?
[01:34] <wizardslovak> yes i did
[01:35] <mikegriffin> having specified your docroot, you do not have to guess which folder in /var/www, you use the one specified
[01:36] <wizardslovak> ok i got it
[01:37] <wizardslovak> i chnaged documentroot to /var/www/wizzy.us
[01:38] <wizardslovak> if i will remove index.html in /var/www will i make mistake?
[01:39] <mikegriffin> wizardslovak: not likely, but removing it will have little benefit
[01:45] <wizardslovak> what benefit?
[01:45] <mikegriffin> my claim was that there is no reason to remove it
[01:52] <wizardslovak> how can i monitor traffic on server?
[01:53] <TimReichhart> could anybody guide me to a good how to guide to setup a email server
[02:01] <mikegriffin> wizardslovak: in real time or historical data?
[02:01] <wizardslovak> real time
[02:02] <mikegriffin> TimReichhart: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto
[02:02] <mikegriffin> first search result for "ubuntu setup postfix" in search engine
[02:02] <mikegriffin> wizardslovak: use 'iftop -n'
[02:03] <wizardslovak> brb
[02:05] <wizardslovak> can i transfer directory with scp?
[02:05] <mikegriffin> yes
[02:06] <wizardslovak> how?
[02:06] <mikegriffin> with scp, see the man page yet?
[02:06] <wizardslovak> i was trying sudo scp directory user@ip:/tmp ,
[02:06] <mikegriffin> there is a section that says "copy entire directories"
[02:06] <mikegriffin> i would see what that is all about
[02:06] <wizardslovak> can you tell me command
[02:07] <mikegriffin> i did already
[02:14] <wizardslovak> hmmm
[02:14] <wizardslovak> i updated my web site to my server
[02:14] <wizardslovak> it did work but now it doesnt
[02:14] <wizardslovak> maybe because i removed index.html in /var/www?
[02:15] <wizardslovak> although my rootfolder is in /var/www/wizzy.us
[02:26] <wizardslovak> when i put my ip i see site , but when i put name it doesnt show
[02:27] <wizardslovak> i did change nameservers in my domain name
[02:28] <wizardslovak> i change ip to my ip
[02:28] <wizardslovak> it worked before and right now it doesnt work :(:(
[02:35] <mikegriffin> wizardslovak: this is a question for #apache
[02:35] <mikegriffin> the dns may be wrong, but #apache will be able to walk you through it
[02:36] <wizardslovak> well maybe there is something wrong with dns server or i gotta wait?
[02:37] <wizardslovak> how long does it take for dns server to hmmm how to call it restart??!
[02:38] <wizardslovak> my server works cause when i put ip i see web site
[02:38] <wizardslovak> so t has to be dns
[02:39] <pmatulis> wizardslovak: it depends on the provider, some are practically instantaneous, others can take up to 30 minutes
[02:39] <wizardslovak> ok so lets wait then
[02:40] <pmatulis> wizardslovak: what do you mean by "i change ip to my ip"?
[02:40] <wizardslovak> yes
[02:40] <wizardslovak> oo sorry
[02:40] <pmatulis> wizardslovak: a nameserver ip or an ip in your dns config?
[02:41] <wizardslovak> well i went to moniker and change their ip for my servers ip
[02:41] <wizardslovak> it worked before , then i switched nameserver to different host and then back to my server
[02:41] <wizardslovak> so its dns problem i beleive
[02:42] <mikegriffin> as i said, that was one possible problem, not obviously the problem
[02:42] <mikegriffin> i would go ask #apache, as i have also mentioned
[02:42] <wizardslovak> ye noones is in apache chat,
[02:42] <mikegriffin> im sorry, #httpd
[02:43] <mikegriffin> i always forget about that
[02:44] <wizardslovak> yea thats the chanell
[02:45] <wizardslovak> noones there anyways
[02:45] <wizardslovak> mikegriffin: can you do me a favor
[02:46] <wizardslovak> ill send you mu ip and you check if you can see page
[02:49] <mikegriffin> you already said it works via ip, what would that prove?
[02:49] <wizardslovak> yes but i am on LAN
[02:49] <wizardslovak> i want to see if it works on WAN
[02:49] <mikegriffin> it seems that #httpd is responsive to your questions, handle it there
[02:53] <wizardslovak> yea right i m only one whos writing there
[03:02] <Apollonovich> I'm trying to authenticate postgresql against kerberos.  At the moment I have a net that's mostly suse, and RHEL, but my workstation is ubuntu 9.04.  the SuSE workstations have no problem connecting to the RHEL postgres server, and my ubuntu box can use kerberos to authenticate for samba, but for some reason I can't get a ticket granted for the postgres server.  I'm looking for any possible solutions to this.
[03:23] <wizardslovak> so i have site in my server , now if i want to make email , do i have to creat email server too?
[03:30] <twb> wizardslovak: I understood every one of those words, but not the sentence in which you placed them.
[03:30] <wizardslovak> ok
[03:30] <wizardslovak> so i have web site on my server
[03:30] <wizardslovak> wizzy.us
[03:31] <wizardslovak> if i want to have email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>do i have to run email server too?
[03:31] <twb> !server guide
[03:31] <twb> !learn "server guide" http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/
[03:32] <twb> Bah.
[03:32] <twb> wizardslovak: anyway, have you read that document?
[03:32] <wizardslovak> which?
[03:32] <wizardslovak> i am not asking how to
[03:33] <wizardslovak> question is for web site i need email server too?
[03:35] <Maxsilver> wizardslovak > To get e-mail at wizzy.us, you need to have access to, or be running a e-mail server somewhere. (Either on the same box, or on another box also tied to your domain name)
[03:36] <Maxsilver> If you need help setting up e-mail services on a ubuntu server, you're looking for this -> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/email-services.html
[03:38] <wizardslovak> thank you maxsilver
[03:38] <wizardslovak> so i can run web server with email server on one PC?
[03:39] <Maxsilver> Yes, the guide link (above) will walk you through installing e-mail service on an ubuntu server box, which you may have already running apache  or other services
[03:39] <Maxsilver> I've never actually set up e-mail on ubuntu, so I can't really answer any questions, but that link is the relevant parts of the server guide for how to do it.
[03:42] <wizardslovak> lol
[03:42] <wizardslovak> thank you
[03:44] <twb> I've only set up satellite MTAs, which are trivial -- you install msmtp-mta, postfix or exim4 and just follow the prompts.
[03:45] <twb> But I suspect wizardslovak will need to set up MX records and proper MTA configuration, which I don't know much about.
[03:45] <wizardslovak> no i am not trying to set it up
[03:45] <wizardslovak> i am just curious
[03:45] <wizardslovak> so basically i need to install postfix only
[03:49] <twb> wizardslovak: install *and configure*
[03:49] <wizardslovak> of course
[03:49] <twb> But basically, yes.  To make a host "do mail", it needs a mail-transport-agent.
[03:50] <wizardslovak> by install i mean install and confiure hehe
[03:52] <mikegriffin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto
[03:54] <wizardslovak> thanks mike
[04:04] <pwnguin> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/en/man1/replace.1.html
[04:04] <pwnguin> why's this part of mysql?
[04:05] <mikegriffin> it says on the link you posted:          The replace program is used by msql2mysql. See msql2mysql(1).
[04:21] <wizardslovak> can i use webmin for server
[04:21] <wizardslovak> or ssh is better?
[04:22] <twb> Everything is better than webmin
[04:23] <wizardslovak> just curious
[04:24] <twb> Please do not use webmin, it makes baby gautama cry.
[04:26] <mikegriffin> wizardslovak: just use good tutorials, they are more likely to work than a gui
[04:27] <wizardslovak> well reason i choosed ubuntu server is to learn commands and tha ubuntu server is best server distro
[04:29] <twb> I dunno that Ubuntu Server is the best server distro.
[04:29] <wizardslovak> reviews shows that lol  best reliability
[04:30] <wizardslovak> anyway always wanted to learn how to make servers
[04:30] <twb> I would describe it rather as a reasonable compromise between proprietary, sysadmin and QA needs.
[04:34] <wizardslovak> i got router(ddwrt) is it enough firewall for my server?
[04:35] <twb> That depends on a large range of factors.
[04:35] <wizardslovak> well its simple one domain (maybe 2) and maybe email server later
[04:36] <twb> In particular, note that webmin listens to ALL interfaces by default, accepts password-based logins, and receives NO scrutiny from the ubuntu security team (because webmin is not part of Ubuntu).
[04:42] <wizardslovak> "out of the top 500 systems, 439 (87.8%) run a Linux distribution"
[04:45] <wizardslovak> with what command ill find what ubuntu version i have
[04:46] <twb> lsb_release --all
[04:47] <wizardslovak> ok my site works now
[04:47] <wizardslovak> ww.wizzy.us
[04:47] <wizardslovak> www.wizzy.us
[04:48] <wizardslovak> ok now when server is running
[04:49] <wizardslovak> how can i log/check traffic in realtime/history
[04:51] <billybigrigger> can anyone here suggest a good media server?
[04:52] <wizardslovak> u can use ubuntu server as well
[04:54] <wizardslovak> billybigrigger: http://www.mythbuntu.org/
[04:55] <billybigrigger> i dont want to replace my existing install
[04:55] <billybigrigger> just want something with maybe a web-base gui i can access from anywhere
[04:55] <wizardslovak> sorry i wish i can help you , i am newbie with all it anyways
[05:02] <wizardslovak> so how can i check traffic on server
[05:05] <njustin3000> is there a torrent manager for ubuntu server edition that has a remote gui interface?
[05:06] <njustin3000> like utorrent gui, but those are binaries for windows, or mac
[05:06] <wizardslovak> ktorrent
[05:06] <wizardslovak> thats torrent client i know about
[05:06] <wizardslovak> for linux
[05:07] <wizardslovak> but i dunno if it will work with ubuntu server
[05:07] <njustin3000> no
[05:07] <njustin3000> but thanks anyway :)
[05:07] <darthanubis> deluge
[05:08] <darthanubis> torrentflux
[05:08] <darthanubis> azureus?
[05:09] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: For network traffic monitoring (if you have RAM to spare) try ntop ; for longer term history maybe try argus and ra .. there is no shortage of network management tools... some take time to learn though!
[05:09] <darthanubis> webmin has a bandwidth monitor as well
[05:10] <wizardslovak> well webmin?! i prefer ssh
[05:10] <wizardslovak> my server has 512 memory
[05:10] <wizardslovak> can i see how much is server actually using?
[05:10] <darthanubis> what does using ssh have to do with webmin?
[05:10] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: Use the free command.
[05:11] <mikegriffin> wizardslovak: look at the middle line of the 'free' output
[05:12] <wizardslovak> 100400
[05:13] <wizardslovak> mike thanks, my site is working lol
[05:13] <wizardslovak> what about hard drive free
[05:14] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: df -h
[05:15] <wizardslovak> ok here is output on ntop http://pastebin.com/m197aeec3
[05:16] <wizardslovak> is there real time monitoring command
[05:17] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: That's odd, it always "just worked" for me... looks like it can't find /var/lib/ntop/prefsCache.db
[05:17] <jmarsden> You can use tcpdump to see what is happening on your network in real time, sure.
[05:17] <wizardslovak> tcpdump "no suitable device found"
[05:17] <jmarsden> But be careful if you use it over SSH, since you will see it display all the SSH traffic... you need to explicitly exclude that to get sane results...
[05:18] <mattt_> wizardslovak: you want something tell you how much bw you're using?
[05:18] <wizardslovak> yes , and also something like which ip was on my server when/how long
[05:19] <mattt_> wizardslovak: there's a handy tool, let me remember what it's called
[05:19] <wizardslovak> sure matt take your time
[05:20] <wizardslovak> something that will log ip/time
[05:20] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: sudo tcpdump  # so it can see the interfaces.  But use sudo tcpdump not port 22  # so it doesn't display your ssh traffic
[05:20] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: argus can do that
[05:20] <wizardslovak> argus
[05:20] <wizardslovak> so tcpdump 80
[05:20] <wizardslovak> ??
[05:21] <jmarsden> What are you trying to monitor?  Only web traffic?   sudo tcpdump port 80
[05:21] <jmarsden> But why not just get that info from the Apache log files, if that is all you need??
[05:21] <mattt_> wizardslovak: vnstat!  that's the one.
[05:22] <mattt_> wizardslovak: oh, vnstat won't log ip/time
[05:23] <wizardslovak> so argus??
[05:23] <mattt_> if you want to see who's hitting your server, then use the apache/web server logs
[05:23] <mattt_> or you can use iptables, etc.
[05:24] <wizardslovak> i dont have iptables configured
[05:24] <wizardslovak> i use router
[05:25] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: If this is a real server, you should probably learn to at least use ufw to set up a basic firewall on it
[05:26] <wizardslovak> ok
[05:27] <wizardslovak> so i gotta install it first?
[05:27] <jmarsden> Yes.  ufw is a very simple command line interface that creates an iptables firewall for you.
[05:27] <wizardslovak> ok its installed already
[05:28] <jmarsden> man ufw will tell you how to use it.
[05:29] <wizardslovak> lol
[05:29] <wizardslovak> i see
[05:29] <wizardslovak> ufw app list
[05:30] <wizardslovak> apache,apachefull,apache secure,openssh,samba
[05:31] <wizardslovak> do i have to open port in ufw for ssh
[05:31] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: Yes.
[05:31] <wizardslovak> hmmm
[05:31] <wizardslovak> do i have to open 80 port too
[05:32] <jmarsden> Yes again; you have to allow everything you want to let in.
[05:33] <twb> ufw is not active by default...
[05:33] <wizardslovak> ok but that will allow only for server
[05:33] <wizardslovak> other pc on router wont have problem browse internet
[05:33] <jmarsden> ufw is only doing things on the machine it is running on.
[05:33] <wizardslovak> so for open port 80" sudo ufw 80" tight?
[05:34] <wizardslovak> right?
[05:34] <wizardslovak> then 22
[05:34] <wizardslovak> and thats it
[05:34] <jmarsden> read the examples section of the man page again :)
[05:35] <wizardslovak> i read just making sure
[05:35] <jmarsden> You seem to have left out the word allow ?
[05:36] <wizardslovak> yes i just found the error
[05:37] <wizardslovak> ok so i allowed 22 and 80
[05:37] <jmarsden> OK, now you can enable it
[05:37] <jmarsden> Then you can set it to default deny
[05:37] <wizardslovak> ok its enabled
[05:38] <jmarsden> check your rules are still there, and then set it to default deny
[05:38] <wizardslovak> ok 80 tcp/upd allow
[05:39] <wizardslovak> 22 tcp/upd allow
[05:39] <wizardslovak> ufw default ARG
[05:39] <wizardslovak> ??
[05:40] <jmarsden> ufw default deny
[05:40] <jmarsden> ARG can be ALLOW, DENY or REJECT
[05:41] <wizardslovak> so ufw default deny , then
[05:41] <jmarsden> Yes.
[05:41] <wizardslovak> ok done
[05:42] <wizardslovak> so now it will allow only 80/22 and nothing else
[05:42] <jmarsden> OK, now check people can still get to your web server, and you are all set with firewalling for now.  Yes.
[05:42] <wizardslovak> ok i can get in
[05:42] <wizardslovak> try it www.wizzy.us
[05:43] <jmarsden> Seems fine :)
[05:43] <wizardslovak> hihi thank you
[05:44] <jmarsden> Now you just need ntop to work...
[05:44] <wizardslovak> now i need something to check real traffic and log it
[05:45] <jmarsden> The apache logs should be there already, try    less /var/log/apache2/access.log
[05:46] <jmarsden> But really you just need ntop to run...
[05:47] <wizardslovak> yes but it doesnt work
[05:48] <wizardslovak> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m4bdd0aa2
[05:49] <wizardslovak> well i tried sudo ntop
[05:49] <wizardslovak> and it asks me for passwor admin user
[05:49] <jmarsden> sudo will ask that if you have not used sudo for so many minutes.
[05:50] <jmarsden> But I think you are confused...
[05:50] <wizardslovak> might be
[05:50] <jmarsden> ntop should run in the background, you see what it has done using a web browser...
[05:51] <wizardslovak> how to do that?
[05:51] <jmarsden> first sudo ufw allow 3000/tcp   # and then browse to your server's local IP :3000 to see it
[05:52] <billybigrigger> i just installed ntop and i get the same error as wizardslovak
[05:52] <billybigrigger> wizardslovak, you might want to file a bug
[05:53] <jmarsden> Interesting.... if you do    sudo /etc/init.d/ntop start    does it work?
[05:53] <wizardslovak> failed to connect
[05:53] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@alixandria:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/ntop start
[05:53] <billybigrigger> Starting network top daemon: Tue May  5 22:53:30 2009  NOTE: Interface merge enabled by default
[05:53] <billybigrigger> Tue May  5 22:53:30 2009  Initializing gdbm databases
[05:53] <billybigrigger> ntop
[05:53] <billybigrigger> seems to
[05:53] <jmarsden> After that browse to the server IP:3000 and see what you see then :)
[05:53] <wizardslovak> ip:3000 "failed to connect"
[05:54] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: even after sudo /etc/init.d/ntop start   ?
[05:54] <billybigrigger> wizardslovak, sudo /etc/init.d/ntop start
[05:54] <billybigrigger> then sudo ntop
[05:54] <billybigrigger> enter a password
[05:54] <billybigrigger> then goto localhost:3000
[05:54] <billybigrigger> works fine here
[05:54] <billybigrigger> http://thefrozencanuck.ca:3000/
[05:55] <wizardslovak> ok i see it now
[05:55] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: I don't think you opened port 3000 in your router/firewall (but that's good, you don't wanmt everyone to be able to use your copy of ntop!)
[05:56] <billybigrigger> ahh yeah 10-4
[05:56] <billybigrigger> forgot you guys can't see that haha
[05:58] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: So for what you need, click on "All protocols" and then "activity" maybe?  Or just click around inside ntop until you find the info you want :)
[06:00] <wizardslovak> what is port 48505
[06:01] <jmarsden> A port like any other port...
[06:01] <jmarsden> why are you asking?
[06:01] <wizardslovak> cause i see its in use
[06:01] <wizardslovak> 48505 and 3000
[06:02] <jmarsden> well, 3000 is ntop listening.  You can do   sudo netstat -ntlp | grep 48505 to see what is listening on that
[06:03] <wizardslovak> nothing is hapening
[06:03] <jmarsden> Then nothing is listening on that port.
[06:04] <jmarsden> Where exactly are you seeing it being in use?
[06:04] <wizardslovak> u use verizon?
[06:04] <jmarsden> Yes... no choice here (except to use Cable I suppose!)
[06:04] <wizardslovak> heh i just wanted to see if ntop works hehe
[06:04] <wizardslovak> where do you live?
[06:05] <jmarsden> Southern California
[06:05] <wizardslovak> what time you have here??
[06:05] <wizardslovak> here is 1am already
[06:05] <jmarsden> just after ten pm here :)
[06:05] <wizardslovak> ooo
[06:07] <jmarsden> BTW since we are on IRC, you can do /ctcp jmarsden time    to find that out :)
[06:07] <wizardslovak> i am newbie in all this
[06:08] <jmarsden> Your web page kind if gives that impression :)  Anyway, you are learning, which is what matters.
[06:08] <wizardslovak> lol since morning i installed server, configure it, registered domain, made website and make it run
[06:09] <jmarsden> Pretty good progress.  So now... go to sleep :)
[06:09] <wizardslovak> not tired yet
[06:09] <wizardslovak> i've been home 3 days already , i got flu
[06:09] <wizardslovak> not swine lol
[06:10] <wizardslovak> i've done everything i wanted today
[06:11] <jmarsden> Sounds good... now you just need to get well too.
[06:11] <wizardslovak> yeap
[06:12] <wizardslovak> if i will turn off server , and lets say turn on tomorrow
[06:12] <wizardslovak> all of setting will be still there?
[06:13] <jmarsden> Yes, they should be.  You might have to restart ntop, I forget if the default install sets it to run automatically...  sudo /etc/init.d/ntop start   will do it if necessary.
[06:13] <jmarsden> But it might be more fun to leave it overnight and see who visits your web site while you sleep? :)
[06:14] <wizardslovak> yes i will
[06:14] <wizardslovak> i wont turn it off tho , just curious
[06:15] <wizardslovak> well site is new and when i type , my web site to google it wont find it
[06:16] <jmarsden> No, Google takes a long time to find new sites... can be weeks.  it helps if you can get others to link to your site...
[06:17] <wizardslovak> how to stop samba?
[06:17] <wizardslovak> i installed it but i dont need it
[06:18] <wizardslovak> apt-get remove samba
[06:19] <jmarsden> sudo apt-get remove samba
[06:19] <jmarsden> Yes.
[06:19] <wizardslovak> ok done
[06:19] <wizardslovak> what are cons of having mysql with webssite?
[06:20] <jmarsden> It is one more piece of software to run?  It uses up CPU and RAM?  Use if if you need it, of course... if you need a SQl database server for a website, it is a very  popular choice.
[06:21] <twb> Of course, popular is not the same as clever
[06:21] <wizardslovak> well i got LAMP installed to mysql is there already
[06:21] <wizardslovak> what is use of mysql with website
[06:22] <jmarsden> It lets you store information as a database and so get it back out based on queries...
[06:22] <twb> FSVO database :P
[06:24] <wizardslovak> so for what can i use mysql with my website?
[06:25] <jmarsden> Whatever you can imagine? :)  You could have it store information people enter into a form on the site, and then let people see that information in various ways...
[06:25] <wizardslovak> so its good to have mysql
[06:26] <jmarsden> Probably.  See http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/Website-Database-Basics-With-PHP-and-MySQL/ for some lessons on how you might use it.
[06:29] <twb> Giving PHP and MySQL to a newbie is like giving a bottle of glue, a pack of condoms, and the keys to a GT to a twelve-year-old nephew
[06:29] <twb> Oh, and a hand gun.
[06:30] <wizardslovak> lol i used to own 2k gt heheh
[06:31] <wizardslovak> twb: y so?
[06:33] <twb> wizardslovak: ah, just because I hate them, and lots of ignorant people write really awful stuff using them
[06:34] <wizardslovak> well i am not trying to do awful stuff
[06:34] <wizardslovak> its for learning purposes for me
[06:34] <twb> I'd prefer someone trained to be using (say) Python and PostgreSQL, than for someone to kludge together yet another web forum or CMS using PHP and MySQL.
[06:35] <wizardslovak> well noone trained for mysql wasnt born instantly
[06:44] <wizardslovak> ok i am out to sleep
[06:44] <wizardslovak> good night people
[08:00] <nxvl> soren: did you mind if i take the iptables merge?
[08:00] <soren> nxvl: Not at all. Have fun.
[08:01] <nxvl> \o/
[08:21] <maswan> What is the right procedure in trying to get a new NIC driver into hardy? And is it hopeless or easy? :)
[08:35] <jeroome> hello everybody
[08:36] <jeroome> I'm installing a server edition over pxe, but I also need xserver running
[08:37] <jeroome> as it isn't in the normal repository for servers, I added a repository with the alternate version
[08:37] <jeroome> my problem is that in that case, everything of the alternate version is installed
[08:38] <jeroome> therefor, I took everything out of the alternate Packages.gz file which doesn't concern xserver
[08:38] <jeroome> but apt still isn't able to install xserver
[08:39] <jeroome> the error says that the package is inside the repository, but not available
[08:39] <jeroome> does anyone has a hint ?
[08:52] <_ruben> installing xserver on server edition pretty much renders it into the desktop edition
[10:20] <baz_44> hi there
[10:23] <baz_44> hi guys, help needed after ubuntu upgrade
[10:24] <Appiah> oh
[10:24] <Appiah> ok
[10:27] <Mr_BestLoser> Moin, weiß jemand, warum bei mir bei Awstats keine Farben in den Balken dargestellt werden ? Habe schon gegoogelt, leider nichts gefunden (awstats 6.5).
[10:28] <baz_44> it was a nightmare, after upgrading my server with 1and1, lost every access to the server, but thanks to the forums, got it sorted again but
[10:28] <baz_44> but the problem now, when i ssh the server, it doesn't show my user in the leading prompt
[10:28] <baz_44> it is just showing $
[10:28] <baz_44> any ideas?
[11:05] <jeroome> _ruben it doesn't, you still save nearly 500 MB
[11:25] <sluimers> Hi, I'm trying to follow the instructions in http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/#step-2-create-the-database-and-user but I get an error message:
[11:25] <sluimers> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[11:25] <sluimers> error: 'Access denied for user 'rogier'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[11:34] <sluimers> I'm also trying to integrate tomcat into apache -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1149507
[11:34] <sluimers> I'm hoping someone can help me out with this?
[11:34] <soren> The tutorial seems to assume that you're logged in as root.
[11:35] <dnwe> hiya
[11:35] <dnwe> does python-vm-buildervmbuilder
[11:35] <dnwe> support localisation of the generated VM ?
[11:35] <dnwe> e.g., --locale ja_JP
[11:44] <_ruben> jeroome: im talking support-wise
[11:50] <dnwe> added as question on LP for vmbuilder instead :)
[11:50] <dnwe> https://answers.launchpad.net/vmbuilder/+question/70137
[12:22] <jeroome> _ruben have you already tried it out over a preseed pxe install ?
[12:26] <_ruben> jeroome: i do use pxe/preseed .. but never install x on my servers .. so, no
[12:55] <jeroome> _ruben ok, thank you for your help
[14:42] <genii> Would anyone have a recommendation for high availability/failover PostgreSQL (2 virtualised systems, 2 actual systems). Previously on our fbsd boxes we used pgcluster.
[14:43]  * yann2_ very interested too
[15:04]  * genii makes more coffee
[15:13] <Timoteo> hello everybodyy!!!
[15:14] <tonyyarusso> Question re: NUT w/ an APC uninterruptable power supply:  Say I have three computers connected to the same UPS.  One of them I'd like to shut down almost immediately in the event of a loss of power, and the others I want to hang on until the battery is almost out.  Is that possible?
[15:29] <wizardslovak> morning people
[15:39] <bytor4232> gday wizardslovak
[15:46] <wizardslovak> bytor4232: do you know how to make email server?
[15:46] <PhotoJim> tonyyarusso: should be doable with apcupsd.  I've never done it.  might be better to have separate UPSes, mind.
[15:48] <tonyyarusso> PhotoJim: NUT is preferred over apcupsd by repository structure.  Any idea if it can as well?
[15:56] <tonyyarusso> So I thought I'd check out eBox and see what all of the fuss was about, and did 'sudo apt-get install ebox'.  Then tried going to https://localhost/ebox/, but got blocked by Firefox having a fit about the self-signed SSL certificate.  How do I get around that?  (It's not showing the usual "add exception" button.)
[15:58] <PhotoJim> tonyyarusso: I'm not at all familiar with NUT, but I'm using apcupsd on my server with good success.  It worked for me with Debian so I stuck with it.
[15:59] <tonyyarusso> PhotoJim: Fair enough.  I guess I'll "try 'em and see".
[16:29] <wizardslovak> how can i access server from wan?
[16:29] <wizardslovak> in lan is ssh ip
[16:29] <wizardslovak> how is it on wan
[16:30] <soren> Same?
[16:30] <wizardslovak> but not lan ip but wan ip?
[16:30] <genii> wizardslovak: If your router is forwarding port 22 or so.
[16:31] <wizardslovak> yes it is
[16:34] <wizardslovak> so "ssh wan ip"
[16:40] <wizardslovak> how can i access ssh from xp
[16:40] <OKnewbi> putty
[16:41] <OKnewbi> wizardslovak download putty
[16:42] <PhotoJim> tonyyarusso: good luck :)
[16:42] <OKnewbi> Does anyone here have much experience with Samba4 and Bind9 well really Bind9 and Kerberos is where the problem is.
[16:43] <wizardslovak> whats the command for scp to transfer folders
[16:43] <wizardslovak> directories i mean
[16:43] <wizardslovak> for file its scp host@ip:/tmp
[16:44] <wizardslovak> scp file host@ip:/tmp
[16:46] <OKnewbi> scp -r directory
[16:47] <OKnewbi> sorry scp -r directory/*
[16:47] <wizardslovak> thats when i want to transfer directory to a server
[16:49] <OKnewbi> yes the simplest way to copy files and directorys over ssh from a windows box is filezilla (imho) the best sftp client out there
[16:49] <wizardslovak> not from windows
[16:49] <wizardslovak> from kubuntu
[16:49] <OKnewbi> k from linux as well
[16:49] <wizardslovak> all of my web work and server i do on kubuntu
[16:49] <OKnewbi> sudo apt-get install filezilla
[16:50] <wizardslovak> filezilla
[16:50] <OKnewbi> if your a web developer you love it, it also lets you set permissions easily on the files you copy
[16:51] <wizardslovak> well easy way to transfer update my web site on server
[16:52] <yann2_> I think winscp is much better
[16:52] <yann2_> http://winscp.net/eng/docs/screenshots
[16:53] <wizardslovak> OKnewbi:  jeez thats help
[16:53] <OKnewbi> to each his own
[16:53] <OKnewbi> no problem
[16:54] <wizardslovak> winscp for  xp
[16:54] <OKnewbi> Still looking for some help with Kerberos and Bind9 ?
[16:55] <wizardslovak> maybe you know something about email server?
[16:55] <OKnewbi> enough to get my self in trouble whatcha go
[16:55] <OKnewbi> got?
[16:55] <wizardslovak> well i got web site on my server and it would be nice to have email with my domain.com
[16:56] <OKnewbi> what version of ubuntu
[16:56] <JanC> on Kubuntu you can use the file manager I suppose  ;)
[16:57] <wizardslovak> well server is ubuntu server 8.10
[16:59] <OKnewbi> wizarslovak if you are on 8.04 or better sudo tasksel install mail-server
[16:59] <OKnewbi> durring the wizard tell it that it is an internet site
[17:00] <wizardslovak> which server will it be?? postfix?
[17:00] <OKnewbi> I think it is postfix
[17:00] <wizardslovak> i've used aptitude and apt-get but never heard of tasksel
[17:01] <OKnewbi> you can also just do sudo tasksel and it will bring up a nice menu, use space to select tasks
[17:02] <OKnewbi> wizardslovak you should also look here http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts
[17:03] <wizardslovak> ok it finished
[17:03] <OKnewbi> dont follow all of the howto, just the bits you need, but it is a very informative howto
[17:03] <wizardslovak> how to check it
[17:06] <OKnewbi> install mailx and then from the cli you can type mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>enter type your subject enter type your body then Ctrl + d to send it
[17:09] <OKnewbi> if you have php you could use this mail scripthttp://www.mibbit.com/up/uUbOhz6b.php
[17:12] <wizardslovak> cli?
[17:13] <OKnewbi> the php script is not cli put it into a web directory and the call the url and it will sent the test mail, of course you need to update the script the mailx is cli
[17:13] <wizardslovak> oknewbi thank you for help
[17:13] <wizardslovak> but i got to go
[17:13] <wizardslovak> ;)
[17:13] <wizardslovak> have a nice day
[17:21] <sluimers> thanks soren, didn't notice that
[17:21] <sluimers> Anyway, I've followed a new tutorial now
[17:22] <sluimers> and apache is now no longer working :/
[17:26] <wizardslovak> sluimers: #httpd
[17:27] <sluimers> wizardslovak, thanks
[17:27] <wizardslovak> that irc chat specified to apache
[17:27] <wizardslovak> how to change permissions ??
[17:28] <wizardslovak> i am trying to move file from laptop to server and i need permissions
[17:28] <wizardslovak> !chown
[17:30] <OKnewbi> #samba
[17:32] <sluimers> hmmm? can't you move it to your hom folder first?
[17:32] <sluimers> home
[17:32] <sluimers> of your server
[17:32] <sluimers> and then copy it from there
[17:32] <sluimers> or move
[17:32] <wizardslovak> ok what if i want to use filezilla?
[17:34] <wizardslovak> when i transfer file from my pc to server it says "open to write,permission denied"
[17:35] <sluimers> no idea here, I haven't even gotten my web and e-mail server working correctly and ftp is low on my wishlist
[17:36] <wizardslovak> well i though ill ease my way
[17:36] <wizardslovak> ill do it in shell
[18:05] <oruwork> wizardslovak-> what are you trying to do ?
[18:07] <oruwork> wizardslovak-> copy files ?
[18:07] <sluimers> Uh oh, I see I've made a big mistake. Can anyone point me out what's wrong with this fstab and how am I going to fix it? -> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m3be0da04
[18:08] <tonyyarusso> sluimers: what's your symptom first?
[18:09] <sluimers> Read-only file system on every command I type in now
[18:09] <sluimers> touch rm move cp, everything
[18:09] <tonyyarusso> sluimers: You seem to have a typo - "userquote" rather than "userquota".
[18:10] <wizardslovak> oruwork: yes copy updated index.html
[18:10] <tonyyarusso> When it's trying to mount there is probably a message to the effect of "unknown option" if you watch the output.
[18:11] <oruwork> wizardslovak-> you want to copy from within ssh ?
[18:11] <oruwork> from ssh to ssh ?
[18:12] <sluimers> so uhmmm... how do I edit the fstab file?
[18:12] <sluimers> vi and nano refuse to edit it now
[18:14] <tonyyarusso> !sudo
[18:15] <wizardslovak> oruwork: well i wanted to try that filezilla  to cope index.html from laptop to server
[18:16] <wizardslovak> i logged with hostname and it says  that that  i cant copy it
[18:19] <oruwork> wizardslovak-> you can connect with filezila with root user , or you can give permissions to other users to be able to manage files within /var/www , but dont do it with chown cuase you are gonna mess thigns up
[18:19] <oruwork> you have to add a user account to the same group as your apache2 server
[18:19] <oruwork> is in
[18:19] <wizardslovak> i tried to log with root user but i couldnt
[18:20] <oruwork> when connecting with filezilla , connect with username "root" and password
[18:20] <oruwork> but its a bad way of doint it
[18:21] <wizardslovak> authentication failed
[18:21] <oruwork> you can upload files to the home directory of any user, then just move it with 'sudo mv' to /var/www
[18:21] <oruwork> thats how i do it anyway
[18:21] <wizardslovak> ok
[18:22] <wizardslovak> i prefer shell anyways
[19:18] <OKnewbi> looking for samba4 documentation on 9.04 anyone have some good resources?
[19:44] <ivoks> should we assign dendrobates as approver for blueprint?
[19:47] <mathiaz> ivoks: yes
[19:50] <moonpup> is it normal for the syslogd and kjournald process to be in a state D ?? meaning uninterruptable sleep?
[19:51] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: hi!
[19:52] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, heya master how's it going
[19:52] <ivoks> great
[19:52] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, awesome!
[19:52] <ivoks> i found some time to work on ubuntu related stuff :)
[19:53] <ivoks> including mentoring you :D
[19:53] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, cool!! i've already done 2 more merges today P
[19:53] <RoAkSoAx> :P
[19:53] <ivoks> have they been accepted?
[19:54] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, haven't suscribed them yet... :) though you might wanted to review them
[19:55] <ivoks> i'll check it out later
[19:58] <ivoks> hm... most of the devs are in front of the TV right now :)
[19:59] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, hahah
[19:59] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, i would really want you to check this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avarice/+bug/372793
[20:00] <ivoks> let's see
[20:03] <fevel> hello
[20:04] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: looks ok
[20:04] <fevel> I am having issue with ufw, everyone on my network seems to be able to surf the web normally despite the fact that I have blocked port 80 tcp and udp. Am I forgeting something?
[20:05] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok, so I'll just subscribe them to u-u-s
[20:05] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: did get_script report any confilicting files?
[20:05] <ivoks> fevel: how did you block udp/tcp 80?
[20:06] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, you mean grab-merge?
[20:06] <ivoks> right
[20:06] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, nope
[20:07] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: there's no need to subscrive uus, i'm a motu, so i could upload it for you
[20:07] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, awesome thanks :)
[20:08]  * ScottK gives ivoks a nudge towards core-dev.
[20:08] <ivoks> ScottK: :)
[20:08] <ScottK> Hey, they let me in after all.
[20:08] <ivoks> hahahahaha
[20:08] <fevel> ivoks: sudo ufw 80 deny
[20:09] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, so I guess you could also upload: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firebug/+bug/372819 and by any chance, did you look to qemu?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/371879
[20:10] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: i will
[20:10] <genii> Any suggestions on high availability/failover PostgreSQL setup? We have 2 virtualised machines and 2 actual machines. Previously used pgcluster on our fbsd boxes for this.
[20:11] <ivoks> fevel: did you enable it?
[20:11] <fevel> yes
[20:11] <fevel> and status says its denying 80
[20:11] <ivoks> and telnet your_ip 80 works?
[20:15] <henkjan> fevel: you try to block web access by blocking port 80 on workstations with ufw?
[20:16] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, btw we need to define our goals and roadmap for #ubuntu-ha
[20:16] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, btw we need to define our goals and roadmap for ubuntu-ha*
[20:17] <fevel> henkjan: its the firewall on the network
[20:17] <henkjan> fevel: ufw was created for hostbased firewalling
[20:17] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: right
[20:18] <henkjan> ufw (by default) does not handle nat
[20:18] <ivoks> i have to contact fabbione and talk with him
[20:19] <fevel> henkjan: Im blocking 80 on the input chain and using links to access google.... how is that possible?
[20:19] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, k, i guess we can have those things clear for the next server team meeting
[20:19] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: i'll do your merges later
[20:19] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok, np :)
[20:19] <ivoks> fevel: ufw blocks accesson your machine, not on google
[20:20] <ivoks> you can block access to or from your machine
[20:20] <ivoks> you can't block what's someone else is doing
[20:20] <henkjan> fevel: you should block in on the forward chain
[20:20] <ivoks> if his machine is gateway
[20:21] <henkjan> 21:16 < fevel> henkjan: its the firewall on the network
[20:21] <ivoks> i've seen that; not quite sure what that means :)
[20:22] <henkjan> i assume he means firewall = gateway
[20:22] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok, so regardng to the mentorship, what else can we work with?
[20:22] <fevel> henkjan: yes
[20:22] <henkjan> but... assumptions are the mother of all fuckups :)
[20:22] <fevel> its the gateway
[20:22] <ivoks> then you need to filter forward chaing, not input
[20:22] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, or shoudl I keep working on merges?
[20:22] <fevel> ivoks: but im using the gateway itself
[20:23] <fevel> and still have access
[20:23] <ivoks> input controls how everybody else contacts your machine
[20:23] <ivoks> output controls how your machine contacts everybody else
[20:23] <henkjan> fevel: when you browse to google, your host wil connect from high numberd port to port 80 at google
[20:23] <ivoks> forward controls how other machines contact some other machines via your machine
[20:24] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: i'll figure out something ;)
[20:24] <fevel> I just rejected on all chains and they still work
[20:24] <fevel> iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp --dport 80 -j REJECT
[20:25] <ivoks> so, that's not ufw :)
[20:25] <fevel> I know
[20:25] <fevel> ufw isnt working
[20:25] <fevel> so im trying to find the problem
[20:25] <ivoks> ufw does iptables
[20:25] <fevel> it seems to be that iptables isnt working
[20:25] <ivoks> it seems like you did -j ACCEPT before REJECT
[20:26] <ivoks> if you have enable all in front of deny something
[20:26] <fevel> ok
[20:26] <ivoks> it will enable everything
[20:26] <fevel> how should I go about doing it the right way
[20:26] <ivoks> cause first rule is the one that counts
[20:27] <ivoks> iptables -F INPUT
[20:27] <ivoks> iptables -F OUTPUT
[20:27] <ivoks> iptables -F FORWARD
[20:27] <ivoks> iptables -t nat -F
[20:27] <ivoks> iptables -t nat -X
[20:27] <ivoks> iptables -X
[20:27] <ivoks> iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
[20:27] <ivoks> iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
[20:27] <ivoks> iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
[20:28] <ivoks> iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 80 -j DROP
[20:28] <ivoks> iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DROP
[20:29] <ivoks> take care, and sorry for monologue
[20:30] <fevel> thanks man
[20:30] <fevel> at least I found that flushing blocks
[21:09] <fevel> does anyone know how I can install sarg
[21:10] <fevel> I already have a working copy of squid running
[21:13] <genii> sudo apt-get install sarg                       ...?
[21:23] <lorecaster> hi? I want to set up a webserver on a p4 2.8ghz sempron with 512mb ram and a DSL connection.... i'm 100% green to the server linux, and would love some advice.
[21:23] <lorecaster> wanted to use ubuntu 9.04 server though
[21:24] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, are you planning on doing anything production level on your webserver or just to mess around and learn?
[21:25] <lorecaster> I'm a writer... i wanted to have a website to host my novel series... low-traffic, low-bandwidth. I've already got a webmaster lined up who's volunteering his time... just need somewhere to -put- the material. so i guess, to answer your question, somewhere in between.
[21:26] <RoAkSoAx> lorecaster, you could also rent a VPS
[21:26] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, that might be a better idea
[21:26] <lorecaster> vps?
[21:26] <sluimers> virtual personal space?
[21:26] <RoAkSoAx> lorecaster, Virtual Private Server
[21:26] <foxbuntu> something like that
[21:27] <RoAkSoAx> lorecaster, for example: www.linode.com
[21:27] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, inexpensive web hosting basically, all setup and supported/backed up
[21:27] <lorecaster> that's the problem, i've got one, and there's some problems with it, and i cannot afford to rent more. it needs to be a larger space to build the system that my webmaster wishes to use. can i ask why you suggest that over a personal server?
[21:28] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, backups, security, setup, maintenance
[21:28] <lorecaster> already own bluehost space, but i'm sharing it... and i don't want to risk wolf's space if the page screws his space up.
[21:29] <RoAkSoAx> lorecaster, take a look to linode.com.. is a virtual server.. instead of having a real one... I am using it.. and works good for me with no problems at all
[21:29] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, there are allot of hidden tasks most people don't consider when setting up a server
[21:29] <lorecaster> such as? I want to learn about this material, i'm a tech, and have not worked with linux much, been excluslivey M$ for 10 years... things are -very- different in your world.
[21:30] <RoAkSoAx> lorecaster, and if you are setting up a public web server... you should not have Gnome or KDE running on it.. because it is a security risk
[21:30] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, dont be discouraged in setting up a personal LAMP server with Ubuntu, however just take into consideration all the things it requires to maintain it
[21:30] <p_quarles> I don't see how renting a VPS gets around the "hidden tasks"; it's just a better hosting environment than a home computer on a DSL line
[21:30] <lorecaster> the plan had been to set it up and have the hardware in my home-office, while my webmaster does all the work by remote
[21:30] <foxbuntu> p_quarles, well I am more refering to something that is managed rather than a vps
[21:31] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, thats still possible with rented space
[21:31] <lorecaster> i genuinely do not have the resources though.
[21:31] <lorecaster> that's why i really need to do this myself.
[21:32] <p_quarles> lorecaster: you say you share an existing VPS with someone else; adding a second site to that space does not carry any risk to the existing site unless the person managing it is grossly incompetent
[21:32] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, just like in windows you have to weigh the options of how you plan to do backups (if at all), maintain security patches and testing, things like that
[21:33] <p_quarles> or if it pushes the db server into places it doesn't want to go, I guess
[21:33] <lorecaster> the gentleman who's taking care of my site for me, warned me that i need to make backups of the entire server, incase something goes terribly wrong... and i respect that. The man i share my bluehost account with is unreachable atm, and i need to get the ball rolling on this server issue
[21:33] <foxbuntu> p_quarles,  agree, there is no reason a VPS cant have multiple sites on it
[21:33] <lorecaster> please don't confuse my meaning, i really appreciate your comments, but i've alread weighed most of this issues
[21:34] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, alright...np, I just wanted to be clear in my help
[21:34] <p_quarles> lorecaster: well, it's easy to set up a machine with Ubuntu Server on it; use the install CD and you're half way there
[21:35] <lorecaster> you've been abundantly clear, and you have my great appreciation. but encountering snags and overcoming them is half the fun of swan-diving into a new OS :D
[21:35] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, web servers are a sensitive area and need careful consideration, so if you feel you have done that and Ubuntu Server is your choice...then we would all be glad to help
[21:35] <p_quarles> lorecaster: you'll need to make sure openssh-server is installed and running, and your volunteer admin should be able to take it from there
[21:35] <lorecaster> i know that ideally, i'd use my bluehost account, but i wanted to try this
[21:36] <lorecaster> i'll need to stop back, then, when i get everything installed... 2.8 celeron and 512mb ram won't hurt me?
[21:36] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, look at the documentation for Ubuntu LAMP server, that is exactly what you need to get started
[21:36] <lorecaster> perfect
[21:36] <p_quarles> lorecaster: that's well more than enough for a small web site
[21:36] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, should work no problem
[21:37] <lorecaster> you all have my great thanks :D the program shall download in about an hour. thanks again, i'll return if i have troubles. where do i find this LAMP documetnation?
[21:37] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, google Ubuntu LAMP
[21:37] <lorecaster> thanks again.
[21:38] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[21:38] <lorecaster> even better :D
[21:39] <foxbuntu> lorecaster, also you will see an option for LAMP in the install
[21:39] <lorecaster> perfect thanks.
[22:37] <nxvl> soren: when you have a change please check Bug #372920