[09:00] <danko123456> Use empathy:-p
[09:00] <poningru> guys just put took back about 5 gigs from the win partition and created its own partition as reif
[09:01] <poningru> but ubuntu doesnt auto mount it at startup
[09:01] <poningru> what do I do?
[09:01] <ivoks> poningru: did you add partition to /etc/fstab?
[09:01] <john_> rofl
[09:01] <poningru> ah no
[09:01] <danko123456> john_: hah
[09:02] <IIIEars_away> poninggru - It is easy to do.
[09:02] <danko123456> hes back, I guess...
[09:02] <ivoks> poningru: do you know how to do that?
[09:02] <happysushi> can someone tell me how i can make my computer search for and connect to the nearest wireless network at bootup?
[09:02] <poningru> probably
[09:02] <ivoks> ok
[09:02] <poningru> but please remain on hand
[09:02] <xulin> danko123456, after the update .. the box don't boot .. because i don't make a "sudo lilo" :/ that's all
[09:02] <poningru> if I cant
[09:03] <john_> i miss not being on dialup :(
[09:03] <danko123456> xulin, can you boot it off the cd, and create a boot loader?
[09:03] <ivoks> poningru: well, open /etc/fstab in your favourite editor
[09:04] <danko123456> as root user
[09:04] <ivoks> of cours..
[09:04] <danko123456> ivoks, the menu is not under discussion
[09:04] <ivoks> ?
[09:04] <danko123456> haha, nis
[09:04] <IIIEars_away> sudo -s gedit
[09:05] <danko123456> its just, everyone is saying totally awkward stuff...like john missing dial up...what does he use now??
[09:05] <ivoks> gedit?
[09:05] <ivoks> ah... ok, gedit :)
[09:05] <danko123456> sudo -s gedit ha
[09:05] <poningru> does the space matter?
[09:05] <john_> how do you edit the menus in gnome?
[09:05] <ivoks> poningru: nope...
[09:05] <poningru> smeg
[09:05] <danko123456> gnome-menu-editor
[09:05] <IIIEars_away> NP - you can't learn through Osmosis - gota ask someone how.
[09:06] <ivoks> poningru: they say, true linux admin is that one that has all columns in fstab lined :)
[09:06] <IIIEars_away> like changing your nick.. - had to ask the first time. -  Doh!
[09:06] <danko123456> you can learn through osmosis, they are doing research now...
[09:06] <danko123456> IIIEars, whats with the nicks?
[09:07] <poningru> rofl
[09:07] <john_> i said i miss not being on dial up not that i miss dialup
[09:07] <IIIEars_away> lol - just spent an hour driving around. - i read the log for answers
[09:07] <danko123456> what is the diff?
[09:08] <IIIEars_away> ah - heck - i need to reclaim my other nick from myself. ...
[09:08] <danko123456> john, oh yeah, Im ^...
[09:08] <ivoks> danko123456: difference beetwen two files
[09:08] <poningru> do I have to give it another mounting area?
[09:08] <poningru> like instead of /
[09:08] <ivoks> poningru: of course
[09:09] <danko123456> a folder.
[09:09] <ivoks> poningru: and you have to create that dir
[09:09] <danko123456> mount the device to a folder
[09:09] <danko123456> dir
[09:09] <ivoks> danko123456: folder is in windows :)
[09:09] <poningru> hmm ic can it be in my home dir?
[09:09] <danko123456> :)
[09:09] <danko123456> yeah yeah...
[09:09] <IIIEars__> lol
[09:09] <ivoks> poningru: yes, but...
[09:09] <tim73> hey hey
[09:09] <danko123456> I use windows 8 hrs in a day.
[09:09] <ivoks> poningru: don't go there if you are beginner :)
[09:09] <poningru> ?
[09:09] <poningru> please explain
[09:10] <danko123456> cause you wanted a larger one there...
[09:10] <ivoks> poningru: you'll have to copy all your files first
[09:10] <IIIEars__> type an example.
[09:10] <tim73> ubuntu
[09:10] <danko123456> hey, tim.
[09:10] <ivoks> robitaille: hi :) nice thread on firefox bug :)
[09:10] <danko123456> ubuntu right back at ya:-/
[09:10] <tim73> hey i like this linux
[09:10] <john_> if i can get a few problems working im deleting my windows partion
[09:11] <poningru> wait what ff bug?
[09:11] <robitaille> ivoks,  which bug is that?
[09:11] <poningru> heh
[09:11] <IIIEars__> tim73 - Welcome!
[09:11] <danko123456> tim73: yeah, I guess linux is ok...
[09:11] <Amaranth> poningru: lots of them, appearently
[09:11] <poningru> do you guys bugzilla?
[09:11] <ivoks> robitaille: that with 1.0.2 and 1.0.4
[09:11] <poningru> yeah I had a suggestion about that
[09:11] <poningru> bug
[09:11] <tim73> very simple to use
[09:11] <IIIEars__> Ubuntu is.
[09:11] <Amaranth> poningru: like saving files that firefox doesn't know what to do with causes an XUL error
[09:12] <robitaille> ivoks,  ah that one.  hopefully it will be solved sooner than later.  it's getting annoying for the end user
[09:12] <tim73> bet then fedora
[09:12] <poningru> why not just fix the UA string
[09:12] <danko123456> my ff sucks, I use epiphany.
[09:12] <Amaranth> poningru: and that one, yes
[09:12] <danko123456> It just doesnt do what it should...
[09:12] <ivoks> robitaille: yeah... i allready have fixed version :)
[09:12] <Amaranth> there was one other nasty bug too
[09:12] <poningru> amaranth: I know it doesnt get the attention it deserves in linux
[09:12] <danko123456> its the breezy version.
[09:12] <poningru> imho
[09:12] <john_> anyone know how to fix my problem with internet connection
[09:13] <danko123456> poningru: well, what do you know, the bugs get fixed that fast that you dont even see it.
[09:13] <danko123456> john_: yes, I see an answer before my eyes, not knowing anything about the issue..
[09:13] <poningru> anyway back to the prob at hand should I not mount it in my home folder?
[09:13] <danko123456> it is the router...power cycle.
[09:13] <danko123456> you can, but not as home.
[09:13] <poningru> ivoks: you said something about copying my files?
[09:13] <ivoks> poningru: do you have files in you home directory?
[09:13] <poningru> yeah
[09:14] <danko123456> under home.
[09:14] <poningru> well only my user name
[09:14] <ivoks> poningru: well, if you mount partition on your home, you won't be able to see that files
[09:14] <john_> i posted it already it was when i am downloading i cant access anything else
[09:14] <john_> sites time out/dont resolve
[09:14] <danko123456>  /home/poningru/reif
[09:14] <poningru> yeah can I do that?
[09:14] <ivoks> poningru: you could create another mount point in your home
[09:14] <danko123456> can you ping?
[09:15] <ivoks> poningru: for example /mnt/poingru/2ndpart
[09:15] <danko123456> I dont see y not, poningru
[09:15] <ivoks> poningru: and mount it there
[09:15] <danko123456> john, what program do you download in/?
[09:15] <poningru> ivoks: would I be able to access that as a normal user?
[09:15] <john_> sometimes i need to redial the connection to get it working again
[09:15] <ivoks> poningru: but then you have to mount that partition with your username, not root
[09:16] <poningru> hmm
[09:16] <ivoks> poningru: it's not hard :)
[09:16] <SlicerDicer-> whats the difference between the install cd and the live cd?
[09:16] <poningru> ok I guess I should make a new folder or something
[09:16] <poningru> like
[09:16] <ivoks> poningru: just couple of words in fstab
[09:16] <danko123456> he can chmod even, or something else, even in a profile file.
[09:16] <poningru> /second
[09:16] <ivoks> he can't chmod
[09:16] <thoreauputic> SlicerDicer-: they are essentially the same'
[09:16] <danko123456> yeah, /second
[09:16] <ivoks> if that's root partition
[09:17] <john_> right now the package manager but it does it on any download example if i download in firefox samething
[09:17] <ivoks> poningru: /second? so in /second, not /home/poningru/second?
[09:17] <poningru> yeah
[09:17] <ivoks> then you can't mount as plain user
[09:17] <SlicerDicer-> thoreauputic: ohh the livecd is like knoppix?
[09:17] <danko123456> john, thats weird.
[09:17] <ivoks> because root is the owner of /
[09:17] <danko123456> can you surf before that?
[09:17] <poningru> right
[09:17] <thoreauputic> SlicerDicer-: you can't install from the live CD yet, though
[09:18] <ivoks> poningru: you can create another dir in /second
[09:18] <ivoks> poningru: and chown it to user, and everything will be fine
[09:18] <IIIEars__> SlicerDicer - Once you have tried Synaptic to add applications from anywhere on the 'net. Knoppix will seem dull.
[09:18] <poningru> ivoks: if I mounted to /home/poningru/second
[09:18] <poningru> wouldnt that cause probs?
[09:18] <ivoks> poningru: no
[09:19] <danko123456> PROBLEM
[09:19] <poningru> didnt you say...
[09:19] <poningru> nevermind
[09:19] <poningru> I am an idiot
[09:19] <SlicerDicer-> damn nice mirror there for ubuntu install cd :) cant beat 893kb/sec :)
[09:19] <danko123456> that was if you were to mount to /home.
[09:19] <danko123456> not under/home.
[09:19] <ivoks> there are no problems, only different deployments
[09:19] <poningru> lol
[09:19] <danko123456> kb:-p
[09:19] <IIIEars__> SlicerDicer - keeping your syste up to date is also only one click.
[09:19] <danko123456> slicer, torrent.
[09:19] <john_> it's like it doesn't balance the load of the connection all of the bandwith seems to only go to the download and what was opened before the download started
[09:19] <ivoks> kb :)
[09:20] <danko123456> IIIEars, a three button dance away.
[09:20] <ivoks> i d/w mine at rate of 10MB/s :)
[09:20] <danko123456> ivoks, :-/ right...
[09:20] <SlicerDicer-> danko123456: I doubt the torrent would go faster my connection is going fullboar right now just about sorry it was KB/sec :)
[09:20] <ivoks> danko123456: yeah... on uni, 1gb/s link
[09:20] <danko123456> uni what?
[09:20] <poningru> yeah me too
[09:20] <ivoks> university
[09:20] <poningru> I usually have a gig connection
[09:20] <danko123456> I knew it was KB...thats why i said.
[09:20] <ivoks> me too
[09:21] <SlicerDicer-> well I dont have universtiy this is my home line and nearly 900KB/sec on a home line is damn good
[09:21] <IIIEars__> 1gig sounds awfully nice.
[09:21] <danko123456> na is not on....
[09:21] <alexmacy> hi
[09:21] <danko123456> at.
[09:21] <ivoks> IIIEars__: it is... one CD - one minute :)
[09:21] <poningru> I hate my home line
[09:21] <poningru> one more question guys
[09:21] <danko123456> no, y ou used yours up...
[09:21] <SlicerDicer-> lol
[09:21] <john_> I had mine mailed. takes took much time on dialup
[09:22] <poningru> after I save the chaanges to fstab how do I actually mount the thing without restarting
[09:22] <danko123456> mount -a
[09:22] <danko123456> sudo
[09:22] <ivoks> poningru: mount -a
[09:22] <Seveas> poningru, umount /the/dev/you/changed && mount -a
[09:22] <poningru> ah but since I am the owner no need for sudo?
[09:22] <ivoks> poningru: mount -a changes a lot, not only ur partition
[09:22] <Seveas> poningru, if you have not added 'user' to the options, you need sudo
[09:22] <danko123456> only sudo can nmount:-p
[09:23] <ivoks> poningru: did you add uid=poingru to fstab?
[09:23] <danko123456> it is in sbin, prolly.
[09:23] <poningru> heh no
[09:23] <poningru> under options?
[09:23] <ivoks> well, how do you think you'll be able to write anything there? :)
[09:23] <ivoks> yes, under options
[09:23] <ivoks> defaults,uid=poingru
[09:23] <danko123456> night.
[09:24] <runge_> hi. I am having problems installing ubuntu on hp dl145 server. it seams to have problems with the scsi-card and therefore fails to find the hds.
[09:24] <pdk001> hi all
[09:24] <ivoks> runge_: what scsi card?
[09:25] <poningru> what does the pass mean?

[09:26] <ivoks> put 0 there
[09:26] <poningru> really?
[09:26] <ivoks> it's for fsck
[09:26] <poningru> for my hda2 it says 1
[09:26] <runge_> ivoks LSI logic /  Symbios logic 53c1030 PCI-X fusion-mpt  dual ultra320. it seams to try to use mptbase
[09:26] <ivoks> uh, ugly one...
[09:26] <poningru> err my first partition
[09:26] <poningru> what does fsck mean again? sorry noob here
[09:26] <ivoks> runge_: there is mptbase2, IIRC
[09:27] <thoreauputic> poningru: file system check
[09:27] <ivoks> poningru: filesystem check
[09:27] <poningru> ah so 1 means?
[09:27] <poningru> check at startup?
[09:27] <poningru> you know I should probably read the docs
[09:27] <ivoks> yes
[09:27] <runge_> ivoks hmm not on that cd. (64 bit version of ubuntu)
[09:27] <ivoks> runge_: i could be worng...
[09:28] <ivoks> runge_: i had problems with same card..
[09:28] <ivoks> runge_: but on debian...
[09:28] <runge_> ivoks, do you have any ideas on how to fix the problem? dmesg shows "asking for cash data failed" among other stuff about it
[09:28] <ivoks> runge_: i installed it with 2.4 kernel and then upgrade to 2.6
[09:29] <ivoks> runge_: just a sec..
[09:29] <runge_> ivoks, ah ok. I dident see any install options for 2.4 kernel. do you know if there are parameters I can pass during the startup to make ubuntu try a 2.4 kernel?
[09:29] <runge_> im rather new to ubuntu/debian
[09:29] <poningru>  umount /the/dev/you/changed
[09:29] <poningru> what does that mean?
[09:30] <poningru> does he mean /etc/fstab?
[09:30] <poningru>  <poningru> after I save the chaanges to fstab how do I actually mount the thing without restarting
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:09]  <danko123456> mount -a
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:11]  <danko123456> sudo
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:15]  <ivoks> poningru: mount -a
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:26]  <Seveas> poningru, umount /the/dev/you/changed && mount -a
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:26]  <poningru> ah but since I am the owner no need for sudo?
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:47]  <ivoks> poningru: mount -a changes a lot, not only ur partition
[09:30] <john_> why is it 10+megs megs to update firefox if i went and got the whole package for from mozilla.org isnt it only around 4-5megs
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:49]  <Seveas> poningru, if you have not added 'user' to the options, you need sudo
[09:30] <poningru> thats where I got it
[09:30] <poningru> sorry for the flood
[09:30] <ivoks> runge_:
[09:31] <ivoks> runge_: sym53c8xx_2
[09:31] <ivoks> runge_: try that one...
[09:31] <poningru> john_ : they are working on it
[09:31] <ivoks> runge_: you have to preload modules somehow...
[09:31] <thoreauputic> john_: that figure is for the windows version
[09:31] <poningru> yeah
[09:32] <poningru> also they are working on a upgrader that will only download the new stuff
[09:32] <thoreauputic> john_: the linux version is around 8-9 MB
[09:32] <john_> lot bigger :( hope they can get that down
[09:32] <poningru> yeah
[09:32] <runge_> ivoks, thanks! I will try it right away
[09:32] <poningru> ivoks: do you know what seveas was saying there?
[09:32] <poningru> poningru, umount /the/dev/you/changed && mount -a
[09:32] <poningru> is it /etc/fstab ?
[09:33] <ivoks> poningru: ignore that, you didn't do anything like that
[09:33] <john_> still 10+ is a bit bigger than 8-9 not much
[09:33] <poningru> ah thanks
[09:33] <ivoks> just do sudo mount -a
[09:33] <poningru> ok gotcha
[09:33] <john_> evolotion seems much better than outlook
[09:33] <poningru> what is that for btw? just curios?
[09:34] <ivoks> that's umount partition you change and mount it again
[09:34] <thoreauputic> john_: you might find that upgrade includes something else like a language pack or gnome support
[09:34] <cyphase> i guess i did get disconnected..
[09:34] <cyphase> anyway..
[09:34] <ivoks> time to go...
[09:34] <ivoks> bye all
[09:35] <poningru> gah curses
[09:35] <poningru> forgot to thank him
[09:36] <poningru> anyway thanks every one else
[09:36] <poningru> who helped
[09:36] <poningru> anyon know where I can comment about that bug?
[09:36] <Seveas> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:36] <poningru> the firefox bug about 1.0.2 -> 1.0.4
[09:36] <poningru> ok thanks
[09:37] <Seveas> that's not a bug
[09:37] <john_> for kde what should i install kde? kde-base or kbuKubuntu desktop is kde-base okay started on that
[09:37] <poningru> what do you mean?
[09:37] <Seveas> kubuntu-desktop installs kde-base + others
[09:38] <poningru> oh no I dont mean harras about that
[09:38] <Seveas> that FF in ubuntu is still 1.0.2 is not a bug, it is actually 1.0.4 in disguise.
[09:38] <john_> is the a description for others?
[09:38] <poningru> yeah I know
[09:38] <poningru> the thing is since ubuntu backported
[09:38] <Seveas> john_, see the faq un kubuntu.org :)
[09:38] <poningru> aumo doesnt recognize the thing as 1.0.4
[09:38] <john_> k Seveas  thanks
[09:39] <poningru> err
[09:39] <bluemax> is there an easy way to delete everything in the trash via command line?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> poningru: the work-around is to open about:config and change the vendor string to 1.0.4
[09:39] <rixth> Is there any Linux program like Window's chkdsk (that works on ntfs drives?)
[09:39] <poningru> yeah I know
[09:39] <robitaille> poningru,  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681
[09:39] <poningru> I dont use the normal ff
[09:39] <poningru> I use the the nightlys
[09:40] <poningru> its just people have been complaining at irc.mozill.org
[09:40] <benplaut> rixth: fsck ... i think (not sure what you need done)
[09:40] <poningru> well like two
[09:40] <Seveas> poningru: in about.config, set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[09:40] <poningru> I know
[09:40] <poningru> I was offering a solution for future backports
[09:40] <rixth> benplaut, I believe my NTFS drive is dead. When I try and mount it, it acts like it's not an ntfs drive.
[09:41] <poningru> change the thing by ubuntu
[09:41] <Seveas> rixth, does sudo fdisk -l /dev/yourdrive say that it's an ntfs drive?
[09:41] <benplaut> rixth: over my head...
[09:41] <thoreauputic> bluemax: probably something like rm -r ~/.Trash
[09:42] <Seveas> thoreauputic, nooooo, that deletes .Trash as well
[09:42] <IIIEars__> rixth - ntfs is a copyright protected disk format. any developer that tried to help users with a tool to write to ntfs would likely be sued unless it used Microsoft dlls
[09:42] <poningru> seveas: do you get the solution that I am suggesting?>
[09:42] <Seveas> you want rm -r ~/.trash/*
[09:42] <bluemax> thoreauputic: ok, thanks... but where is the trash folder in the file system?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> Seveas: oops, yes you are right
[09:42] <bluemax> in my home folder?
[09:42] <poningru> yeah dude
[09:43] <Seveas> poningru, yes, ubuntu should offer this 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 as a patch
[09:43] <thoreauputic> bluemax: cd to your home .Trash
[09:43] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: then do rm * in that directory
[09:43] <bluemax> perfect, thank you
[09:43] <Xaprio> Hiya All
[09:43] <Seveas> hi
[09:44] <rixth> IIIEars, oh okay, thats good to know.
[09:44] <Xaprio> Hi Seveas
[09:44] <poningru> seveas: I am suggesting that they just change the version in UA only
[09:44] <Xaprio> Hey ubuntu lovers
[09:44] <Xaprio> please help me out
[09:44] <Xaprio> i just started working on it
[09:44] <IIIEars__> lol - I'm sorry. didn't want it to sound that strong (weak grin)
[09:44] <Xaprio> and getting an error while compiling Xine
[09:45] <Seveas> poningru, agreed, i think it's a nice option, but infeasible since this is stored in every persons homedir somewhere and you can this way easily mess up the config of people who installed FF themselve
[09:45] <Seveas> Xaprio, why are you compiling it yourself?
[09:45] <Xaprio> then?
[09:45] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: don't compile xine - use the package manager to install it
[09:45] <Xaprio> i am not having it
[09:46] <IIIEars__> rixth - A last ditch effort if the files are indespensible is to try a forensic linux distro. - time consuming to recover data but it is possible.
[09:46] <Xaprio> i means i download the lib.
[09:46] <Xaprio> but when try to install it
[09:46] <Xaprio> it gives bugs
[09:46] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: you are missing repositories
[09:46] <Seveas> Xaprio, do not do that, you can install it with system->administration->synaptic package manager
[09:46] <Xaprio> aah ok
[09:46] <Xaprio> thanks
[09:46] <Xaprio> let me try it out
[09:47] <Seveas> Xaprio, in synaptic go to setting->repositories and make sure all repositories in there are selected
[09:47] <rixth> IIIEars__, I actually just had ALOT of luck with ntfsfix (provided by ntfstools) it made me able to read my drive.
[09:47] <Seveas> and  then search for xone
[09:47] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: you need to add the universe repository
[09:47] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: and search for xine-ui or totem-xine
[09:48] <Xaprio> aah ok
[09:48] <Xaprio> thanks
[09:49] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: also remember to reload or sudo apt-get update
[09:49] <thoreauputic> after adding the repos
[09:49] <Xaprio> hmmm
[09:50] <Anubis> is there an easy way to add a splashimage to grub?
[09:50] <Anubis> via synaptic?
[09:50] <Anubis> apt-get etc?
[09:50] <holycow> yes, search for grub and splashimage
[09:50] <holycow> however ....
[09:50] <Anubis> ty
[09:50] <Xaprio> another thing
[09:50] <holycow> that won't put a splash image for the bootloader
[09:50] <Xaprio> do KDE works in Ubuntu?
[09:51] <holycow> you will still all the commands scroll by
[09:51] <holycow> for that you will haveto wait for either next, or next next release, a bootsplash is being worked on
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Xappe: yes, if you install kubuntu-desktop
[09:51] <Anubis> Xaprio, Kubunut
[09:51] <Anubis> Xaprio, Kubuntu
[09:51] <Anubis> Xaprio, #kubuntu
[09:51] <Xaprio> do it wrks?
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: works here :)
[09:52] <Xaprio> is it same like one in Red hat manager
[09:52] <Anubis> Xaprio, don't you get it yet?
[09:52] <Xaprio> hey nice
[09:52] <Xaprio> no
[09:52] <Xaprio> i am having basic GNOME
[09:52] <Xaprio> i got the CDS from ubuntu
[09:52] <Xaprio> and they gave me a singlse CD
[09:52] <thoreauputic> Xaprio:  install kubuntu-desktop
[09:52] <Anubis> apt-get install kde
[09:52] <Xaprio> and i am having GNome and not KDE
[09:52] <holycow> Xaprio, shut the fuck up and listen
[09:53] <holycow> jesus
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: it's a fairly big download - about 100MB
[09:53] <danBaSlon_sl> kubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Anubis: NO
[09:53] <Anubis> or switch to channel #kubuntu
[09:53] <Xaprio> aah thanka
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Anubis: the meta package is kubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <marco_> does anyone have any idea how to enable cups web interface? I mean I followed exactly the procedures listed in cups' site but ...
[09:53] <Anubis> whatever
[09:53] <Anubis> the answer was yes
[09:53] <Xaprio> thanks
[09:53] <jsgotangco> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Anubis: it makes a difference
[09:54] <Anubis> thoreauputic, he would have found that out now would'nt he?
[09:54] <thoreauputic> Anubis: no, not necessrily
[09:54] <jsgotangco> stop it the answer was already given
[09:56] <Anubis> marco_, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:59] <benplaut> still waiting...
[10:03] <poningru> anyone who is using firefox can you do a quick check please?
[10:03] <poningru> seveas you still there?
[10:03] <poningru> anyone?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> yes, what is up?
[10:04] <Seveas> poningru, ?
[10:04] <poningru> yeah go to help->about
[10:04] <Xaprio> Hey guys
[10:04] <poningru> and can you guys see which build date it gives?
[10:04] <Xaprio> i got that xine-ui installed
[10:04] <Xaprio> now what?
[10:04] <Xaprio> i means how to start it?
[10:04] <poningru> it should be in the string
[10:04] <Seveas> 20050512
[10:04] <Seveas> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050512 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2)
[10:05] <larsrohdin> im trying to compile something here, and get the error: checking for gtk_gl_area_new in -lgtkgl... no configure: error: Cannot find gtkglarea, is it a package missing, and in that case which?
[10:05] <poningru> you are not using breazy right?
[10:05] <Seveas> no
[10:05] <Seveas> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l
[10:05] <thoreauputic> poningru: I have the same here - May 12 I guess
[10:05] <Seveas> larsrohdin, inslall libgtkgl-dev oslt
[10:06] <larsrohdin> E: Couldn't find package libgtkgl-dev
[10:06] <poningru> ok wierd
[10:07] <Seveas> libgtkgl2.0-1 - Gimp Toolkit OpenGL area widget shared library
[10:07] <Seveas> libgtkgl2.0-dev - Gimp Toolkit OpenGL area widget include files and static library
[10:07] <larsrohdin> Seveas, i found it..
[10:07] <Seveas> poningru, why?
[10:08] <poningru> the dev for extensions with firefox
[10:09] <Xaprio> HELLO
[10:09] <Xaprio> just a q more
[10:09] <poningru> his ubuntu says
[10:09] <poningru> 20050405
[10:09] <Seveas> Xaprio, if it isn't in the menu: type in a terminal: xine
[10:10] <Seveas> poningru, did he update?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> poningru: then he's not up to date
[10:10] <Xaprio> xine: error while loading shared libraries: libSM.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:10] <Seveas> because that's the FF without the security updates
[10:10] <poningru> he updated
[10:10] <Seveas> poningru, probably not from the security repos
[10:10] <poningru> he is using ppc
[10:10] <poningru> could that do it?
[10:10] <poningru> ooh let me ask
[10:10] <larsrohdin> Seveas, now it worked. thanks!
[10:10] <Seveas> poningru, direct him to http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38 and make sure he has all these repositories
[10:11] <Seveas> yw larsrohdin
[10:11] <thoreauputic> poningru: I would guess he has his security sources commented out
[10:11] <midg3t> Why are the security sources commented out by default?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> good question
[10:11] <Seveas> midg3t, because they give errors before the release date
[10:11] <Seveas> something i hope they change for breezy
[10:11] <midg3t> ah
[10:13] <poningru> can anyone with ppc check?
[10:13] <poningru> pleas we may be able to get rid of that stupid bug
[10:13] <larsrohdin> Seveas, my first succesfull compiling! yay!
[10:13] <thoreauputic> my laptop is still on warty ppc, sorry
[10:14] <Seveas> hang on poningru
[10:14] <Gog> silly question, but when and apt-get upgrade upgrades linux-source-2.6.10, do you need to manually recompile the kernel?
[10:14] <thoreauputic> Gog: no
[10:14] <poningru> nm
[10:15] <poningru> seveas: dont worry about it
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Gog: unless you compiled the existing one, I guess
[10:15] <Gog> thoreauputic: is that not the kernel source, or is it automatic?
[10:15] <Gog> ah, ok
[10:15] <Gog> thanks
[10:15] <Seveas> i'm downloading the deb and i'll try to find it
[10:19] <poningru> anyone know if the umo has this bug with anyother vendors?
[10:19] <Burgundavia> poningru, the 1.0.4 issue?
[10:19] <runge_> anybody have a idea on how to get ubuntu installed on a hp dl145? (problems with scsi card, so it cant find the harddrives.) (LSI logic /  Symbios logic 53c1030 PCI-X fusion-mpt  dual ultra320)
[10:20] <poningru> yeah
[10:20] <poningru> that was to burgundavia btw
[10:21] <Seveas> poningru, on ppc it is also 20050512
[10:21] <bassMonkey> could someone with gdesklets check how much resources python is using when gdesklets is on? mine uses somethin like 15% of cpu...
[10:21] <lampshade> what's gdesklets, it sounds cool
[10:21] <Burgundavia> poningru, seen the bug about it. The mozilla guy was talking about it
[10:21] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: welcome to the wonderful world of gdesklet bloat ;)
[10:21] <poningru> we have fixed the bug
[10:22] <Burgundavia> poningru, "we"?
[10:22] <bassMonkey> lampshade: try google
[10:22] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: last time I tried gdesklets I uninstalled them within the hour as they were eating my cpu
[10:22] <count0food> my gdesklets dosent work all that great.. hardly anything works :( sad but true
[10:22] <poningru> dave
[10:22] <poningru> the guy in charge of aumo
[10:23] <bassMonkey> thoreauputic: =/
[10:23] <bassMonkey> thoreauputic: I think i'll follow your path
[10:24] <poningru> well the fixing is being done
[10:24] <poningru> check in the morn
[10:24] <L7> need help with fixing my sound when i play movies ://.. anyone please help?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> L7,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:26] <beginner> hello
[10:26] <bassMonkey> L7: what kind of movies are you talking about?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> L7, you probably need w32codecs
[10:26] <mike_douglas> can anyone tell me where /etc/X11/X is supposed to link to?
[10:26] <bassMonkey> thoreauputic: he has a sound problem...
[10:27] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: yes, and w32codecs has, for example some quicktime sound codecs etc
[10:27] <bassMonkey> so if it's wmv there's a simple fix
[10:27] <bassMonkey> ok...
[10:29] <mike_douglas> while trying to fix breezy's X11 problem I've created a recursion of symbolic links ;)
[10:29] <thoreauputic> mike_douglas:  /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[10:29] <thoreauputic>  is the link here
[10:30] <thoreauputic> peter@prospero:~$ ls -l /etc/X11/X
[10:30] <thoreauputic> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 17 2005-05-03 17:17 /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[10:31] <mike_douglas> thoreauputic: thanks a lot
[10:31] <thoreauputic> no worries - good luck with Breezy ;)
[10:32] <mike_douglas> this is fun for me ;)
[10:32] <beginner> hello
[10:32] <thoreauputic> hello beginner
[10:32] <beginner> i want some information
[10:32] <thoreauputic> or is it cikilin?
[10:33] <beginner> yes
[10:33] <L7> bassMonkey, .avi it's nothing wrong with the sound except when i want to see movies
[10:33] <thoreauputic> L7: avi is the container, not the codec
[10:34] <thoreauputic> L7: do you have w32codecs installed, or not?
[10:34] <L7> thoreauputic, i don't know what codec i need, my friend downloaded all the codecs he could find, maybe it isn't that good to have them all?
[10:34] <L7> thoreauputic, don't know about w32
[10:34] <SlicerDicer> ummm I am confusued why did I not get a option to set root password when installing ubuntu?
[10:35] <thoreauputic> L7: did you read the URL I posted?
[10:35] <count0food> Ubuntu Dosent enable root by default :)
[10:35] <beginner> i want to set gaim to send files cause is not sending
[10:35] <SlicerDicer> argh...
[10:36] <L7> thoreauputic, yes i did, the solution i got there didn't help me
[10:36] <count0food> to use root use sudo command
[10:36] <count0food> or type sudo passwd root to enable root
[10:36] <thoreauputic> SlicerDicer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:37] <L7> thoreauputic, i'm just gonna reboot, brb.
[10:37] <count0food> root is evil :) LOL
[10:37] <SlicerDicer> umm thats not very secure if I can set root password from user....
[10:37] <thoreauputic> SlicerDicer: read the URL I posted
[10:38] <count0food> SlicerDicer, only from the user you created ;) so its as secure as a standard ubstakk
[10:38] <holycow> i ... love ... beep
[10:38] <count0food>  /s/......./install
[10:38] <holycow> that is one awesome little media player :)
[10:38] <IIIEars> thoreaputic - Eureka! an XSCRABBLE.RPM the alien converst correctly to DEB.!!!!! :)  - My wife is going to be thrilled. - How can i give this app to the Ubuntu team.
[10:38] <count0food> beep rocks
[10:38] <beginner> is any posibility to set it or is from conection?
[10:39] <IIIEars> < sleep affects spelling????
[10:39] <L7> now it's working!!! FINALLY! :)
[10:39] <holycow> IIIEars, by not using alien, and repackaging as deb from source and making sure it follows all DEBIAN packaging guidelines
[10:39] <beginner> thoreaupeutic have any idea?
[10:39] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, we need a source deb and alien doesn't do that
[10:40] <IIIEars> lol - okay. - not knowledgeable enough yet for that. - rats! -
[10:40] <IIIEars> Thank You Holycow. :)
[10:40] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, there are some intro developer docs coming soon
[10:40] <holycow> IIIEars, it's not so difficult, but there are quite a few details to take care of ...
[10:40] <beginner> i want to set gaim to send files cause is not sending
[10:41] <holycow> Burgundavia, perhaps a guid of some sort would help eventually too :)
[10:41] <IIIEars> I'll be looking forward to that. - would love to add a few very simple scripts
[10:41] <Burgundavia> holycow, guide? yes that is what is coming
[10:41] <holycow> typo, i mean gui ...
[10:41] <Burgundavia> gui for building packages?
[10:41] <holycow> to help newbs with package resolution, etc ...
[10:41] <Burgundavia> are you crazy?
[10:42] <Burgundavia> that would produce terrible packages
[10:42] <holycow> no, but i've been called worse :)
[10:42] <SlicerDicer> another issue is I just tried to modprobe sk98lin my ethernet and well... crap... I am usto using dhcpcd lol
[10:42] <Burgundavia> if you can't handle the commandline, you shouldn't do packaging
[10:42] <WNight_> My system dies on boot with: "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" - Anyone know how to fix this?
[10:42] <IIIEars> holycow - It isn't hard but gathering info from all over isn't fun.
[10:42] <Burgundavia> I spent most of my time filing and finding GUI/Usabilty bugs, so I am a "It's linux, use the commandline type of person"
[10:43] <holycow> IIIEars, thats what i mean by gui, it would help you put it all together, not necessarily do anythign for you
[10:43] <Burgundavia> holycow, IIIEars the major issue is that while deb is very powerful, it is not really that easy to get your feet wet
[10:43] <IIIEars> Having most info in one place would be wonderful. :)
[10:43] <Burgundavia> there are scripts
[10:43] <holycow> Burgundavia, right, thats exactly what i mean
[10:43] <Burgundavia> just no GUIs
[10:43] <thoreauputic> WNight_: after a kernel update, right?
[10:43] <Burgundavia> wnight, known bug
[10:44] <IIIEars> holycow - throw me a toy pont me there..
[10:44] <thoreauputic> WNight_: a few people are reporting this error
[10:44] <holycow> Burgundavia, i'm a command line junkie too don't get me wrong, perhaps you are right sometimes guis make things worse, so far i'm not convinced
[10:44] <forsaker8k6> g'morning
[10:44] <Burgundavia> wnight, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135
[10:44] <holycow> but then i really need to try and make a gui and see my self i guess
[10:44] <WNight_> thoreauputic: Benplaut had that theory. I had just updated after a fresh install, yes.
[10:44] <Byakhee> hi
[10:44] <IIIEars> XScabble was indespensible. - well okay probably only to my wife - lol
[10:45] <Burgundavia> holycow, I think there too many issues with creating a gui, like the idea that anybody could package
[10:45] <count0food> Breezy install is FAST:)
[10:45] <holycow> Burgundavia, oh thats not exactly what i meant
[10:45] <holycow> Burgundavia, packagin debian compliant packages is a lot of work, i'm only thinking a gui doing a step 1 do this, step 2 do this, step 3 do this
[10:46] <holycow> and helping along the way execute scripts within an accompanying shell
[10:46] <Burgundavia> holycow, that is what a good document is for. You don't need a gui for that
[10:46] <holycow> thats just my rought idea
[10:46] <holycow> Burgundavia, ah, have you seen the debian packagin manual?
[10:46] <holycow> yow!
[10:46] <holycow> :)
[10:46] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:46] <Burgundavia> that is why IntroDeveloperDocs is coming
[10:46] <count0food> I prefer a CLI to configure a system
[10:46] <Burgundavia> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/IntroDeveloperDocs
[10:46] <holycow> makes your eyes glaze over instantly, however ...
[10:47] <holycow> Burgundavia, oh, i see what you are saying
[10:47] <holycow> ah i get the motivation now :)
[10:47] <Burgundavia> holycow, if you want to help, ping tseng in #ubuntu-motu
[10:47] <WNight_> Burgundavia: Is there a fix for it? Can you *just* chroot and run apt-get remove 'foo'?
[10:47] <holycow> i completely about not just anybody doing packaging bit tho ...
[10:47] <holycow> cool, will do
[10:48] <Burgundavia> WNight_, no idea, I haven't rebooted my machine for that very reason
[10:48] <SlicerDicer> god damn it everytime I go to use any form of debian my damn computer never has internet.... why the hell cant it see it...
[10:48] <count0food> Burgundavia, :) Good stuff :) Bookmarked :)
[10:48] <holycow> SlicerDicer, what do you mean?
[10:48] <holycow> are you behind a router?
[10:48] <rommer> how can i see what processes are running and how can i cancel one/all of them?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> rommer: ps aux , or  `top`
[10:48] <forsaker8k6> rommer, ps -afx to see the processes tree
[10:48] <SlicerDicer> holycow: I use a marrvel chipset 'sk98lin' and it wont give me a ip address I dont even think its loading the module
[10:48] <holycow> Burgundavia, hey i am going to update our sarge desktop pilot to ubuntu in the next couple of weeks ...
[10:48] <Seveas> to see them: ps aux
[10:48] <_axel> god, i cant use firefox since i last upgraded yesterday, it crashes on 70% of pages i browse, and they worked just fine before i upgraded
[10:49] <Seveas> to kill them: kill / pkill / killall
[10:49] <rommer> ok
[10:49] <forsaker8k6> and kill <procnumber> to kill
[10:49] <SlicerDicer> holycow: I would have to check but I dont think it is
[10:49] <rommer> thanks
[10:49] <_axel> i get this silly error in the console: The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error.
[10:49] <_axel> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[10:49] <_axel> The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'.
[10:49] <_axel>   (Details: serial 117 error_code 8 request_code 149 minor_code 3)
[10:49] <_axel>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[10:49] <_axel>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[10:49] <WNight_> Burgundavia: Okay, I'
[10:49] <_axel>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[10:49] <_axel>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[10:49] <_axel>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[10:49] <WNight_> Burgundavia: Okay, I'll go experiment a bit. Let you know.
[10:49] <Burgundavia> _axel, please don't flood
[10:49] <Seveas> _axel, DO NOT paste in here
[10:49] <holycow> Burgundavia, do you guys have anything standardized for testing desktop usability under such environments?
[10:49] <Burgundavia> Seveas, beat ya
[10:49] <_axel> soz
[10:49] <holycow> Burgundavia, i wouldn't mind giving back some real world feedback
[10:49] <Burgundavia> holycow, not really
[10:49] <holycow> k.
[10:49] <Burgundavia> holycow, mostly file the bug if you think it is a bug
[10:50] <SlicerDicer> holycow: the module is there I can see it when I do 'modprobe -l sk98lin'
[10:50] <Burgundavia> holycow, if you have an idea, -devel
[10:50] <Burgundavia> holycow, and file as far upstream as you can go
[10:50] <holycow> Burgundavia, okay
[10:50] <holycow> SlicerDicer, oh, i'venever heard of that chipset
[10:50] <count0nz> i started packageing xdtv but i was doing it all in the dark :) now i know how to do it properly :)
[10:50] <Super_dude> Help my sound is not working??
[10:50] <IIIEars_google> Ick - forum discussion of author wanting credit for XScrabble.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/07/msg00030.html
[10:51] <SlicerDicer> holycow: its a gigabit ethernet chip :) I manually modprobe the chip I just dont know how to get a dhcp address cause I am usto using 'dhcpcd' with gentoo if you can tell me how to do it with ubuntu that would be of great help
[10:52] <holycow> SlicerDicer, what is the content of your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[10:52] <Super_dude> How do you get sound on?
[10:52] <SlicerDicer> well I would paste it to a pastebin but I dont have a bloody connection and I am not going to hand type all that out
[10:53] <SlicerDicer> way to much bullshit in there to hand type :/
[10:53] <SlicerDicer> basic things that are not commented I will type
[10:53] <thoreauputic> Super_dude: you need to give more information like which sound card you have
[10:53] <Seveas> SlicerDicer, dhclient3 $INTERFACE
[10:54] <SlicerDicer> auto lo 'next line' iface lo inet loopback 'next line' mapping hotplug 'next line' script grep 'next line' map eth1 'there you go :)'
[10:54] <Super_dude> ty ok what is the command i used to use it was sudo modprobe ..... i forgot the rest and that fixes it
[10:54] <Seveas> SlicerDicer, if you want it in your interfaces
[10:54] <Super_dude> and then its desmeg|tail or somfing like that then i turn up the sound and its fixed
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Super_dude: you need to know the module to modprobe first
[10:54] <SlicerDicer> thank you Seveas
[10:54] <Seveas> iface $interface inet dhcp [newline]  auto $interface
[10:54] <SlicerDicer> I have it working now :)
[10:55] <Seveas> nice :)
[10:55] <SlicerDicer> add that line to? /usr/network/interfaces?
[10:55] <SlicerDicer> err /etc/network/interfaces
[10:55] <SlicerDicer> god its late
[10:55] <Seveas> yes
[10:55] <Super_dude> damit cause i jsut upgraded to hoary and erased my whole hd and now i dont know that command alto it was annoying cause i needed to type it in every time i reset the compueter..
[10:55] <_NiC> is there an easy way to encrypt a partition in ubuntu (like /home/myuser)?
[10:56] <SlicerDicer> good stuff Seveas
[10:56] <Seveas> _NiC, there is an easy way to create an encrypted loop filesystem, in the wiki you can find a guide on encrypted homedirs
[10:56] <SlicerDicer> I alrready added my module to /etc/modules :)
[10:57] <Seveas> good boy ;)
[10:57] <_NiC> seveas: cool, thanks :)
[10:58] <bigfoot> In nautilus, is there a way to get search function? And hopefully to have the search box set to search within that folder in which the search function was activated?
[10:59] <count0nz> how much overhead do you get with encripted fs ? be good for storeing users email's etc also :)
[10:59] <Seveas> overhead is quite big: on the fly encryption/decryption is expensive
[10:59] <count0nz> rebooting in step2 of breezy install
[11:00] <Super_dude> Realy.
[11:00] <count0nz> Seveas, ok.... so on a REAL server it be a job for a REAL grunty box lol prob not worth it
[11:00] <count0nz> no brakage yet it seems faster
[11:02] <count0nz> hoary = boreing
[11:04] <ice_1963> count0nz your useing Breezy ????
[11:04] <count0nz> ice_1963, ;) yes
[11:04] <count0nz> well installing
[11:04] <Choubaka> DON'T
[11:04] <Seveas> count0nz, you did read the topic, did you?
[11:05] <count0nz> :) i live for brakage
[11:05] <Seveas> ok
[11:05] <Seveas> but beware
[11:05] <Seveas> X is broken
[11:05] <Choubaka> if you're still downloading, abort :P
[11:05] <Seveas> lots of C++ stuff is broken
[11:05] <ice_1963> =)
[11:05] <Seveas> your brain must be broken :p
[11:05] <count0nz> i am not going to do much on it
[11:05] <count0nz> not useing X
[11:05] <Choubaka> Breezy is not similar to Debian SID :P
[11:06] <IIIEars> Hoary Hedgehog - Is well mannered and will do any trick asked.
[11:06] <count0nz> :)
[11:06] <Choubaka> Breezy is similar to Debian Scud
[11:06] <Choubaka> aka Experimental
[11:06] <count0nz> i am not updateing
[11:06] <bob2> er, there's no such thing as "Debian Scud"
[11:06] <bob2> there is "Debian Sid", but that's different to experimental, too
[11:06] <count0nz> Debian Scud sounds like fun
[11:06] <bigfoot> If I select "Filesystem" in "search for files", will it search through ALL folders?
[11:06] <bigfoot> including trash?
[11:07] <Seveas> bigfoot, yes
[11:07] <Choubaka> count0nz: it's not.
[11:07] <count0nz> the othrer box i just wanted to trysomething on it and see how it goes to see
[11:07] <Seveas> trash is simply ~/.Trash
[11:07] <Choubaka> In sid, packages must at least install cleanly.
[11:07] <Choubaka> in scud, there's not even that restriction.
[11:08] <count0nz> anyway....
[11:08] <bob2> Choubaka: dude, "Scud" does not exist
[11:08] <bob2> and packages in sid don't neccessarily install cleanly
[11:08] <bob2> they don't even have to install at all
[11:08] <Choubaka> bob2: I thought that's what they call Experimental :)
[11:08] <bob2> Choubaka: nope
[11:08] <Choubaka> Ok then.
[11:08] <Choubaka> Well, anyway, Experimental is complete insanity.
[11:09] <count0nz> Rembers Sid
[11:09] <count0nz> :)
[11:09] <Choubaka> I installed Gnome 2.6 from it once.
[11:09] <IIIEars> Is "scud" finlandian for "aspirin"?
[11:09] <Choubaka> And, well... It broke
[11:09] <bigfoot> Seveas, in "Search for Files" I input the name of a file that's in the Trash. The file's name is scrnshot.bmp. "Look in Folder" is set to "Filesystem." But it says "No files found."
[11:09] <Choubaka> Nah
[11:09] <bob2> new gnome uploads only go to experimental so that they can move to sid in one blob
[11:09] <Choubaka> That's just "aspiriini" :(
[11:09] <IIIEars> he
[11:09] <bob2> it's not because thy're believed to be broken
[11:10] <count0nz> Do thay have E17 in Breezy
[11:10] <bob2> e17 doesn't exist anywhere
[11:10] <Seveas> bigfoot, .Trash is a hidden folder, does "Search for Files" search in these?
[11:10] <count0nz> i'll package it
[11:10] <bob2> there are (broken) debian/ dirs in cvs
[11:11] <MicroChris> why is everyone complaining about upgrading to breezy
[11:11] <MicroChris> its not THAT bad
[11:11] <MicroChris> heh
[11:11] <larsrohdin> I've downloaded the lmx-mice driver, to get my MX310 mouse to work completely. But what am i supposed to do with the file? theres no read me or anything...
[11:12] <count0nz> there just Jelious :)
[11:12] <count0nz> (jokeing)
[11:12] <SlicerDicer> you know I have to say ubuntu is nice. I think I am converted if everything works as I want
[11:12] <Choubaka> Yay, there's a Finnish User's guide for E17
[11:12] <MicroChris> Ubuntu rocks
[11:12] <MicroChris> best distro ive tried
[11:12] <IIIEars> ""
[11:12] <count0nz> but if no one trys Breezy there will be no one to find bugs :)
[11:12] <ice_1963> you bet
[11:13] <SlicerDicer> You know I am a gentoo user but I think thats done now :) as long as it does what I want
[11:13] <Choubaka> It's interesting how many guides and manuals you'll find for <insert linux distro of software> in Finnish. :P
[11:13] <count0nz> U Rocks
[11:13] <IIIEars> Ah - "Finnish" - thx
[11:13] <Burgundavia> larsrohdin, does it work when you just plug it in?
[11:13] <bob2> count0nz: they can try it later when it's known to be broken
[11:13] <boehn> MicroChris: Which other you've tried?
[11:13] <count0nz> I was once a Religous Gentoo user i Prefer U now
[11:13] <count0nz> bob2, right on
[11:13] <bob2> moving to breezy now if you're new (ie don't know how to use dpkg) is a very bad idea
[11:13] <MicroChris> Gentoo, Slackware, Debian Sarge, Knoppix, SuSE, Fedora
[11:13] <MicroChris> a lot
[11:13] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: I think gentoo will always hold a spot in my heart but :)
[11:14] <Seveas> bob2, that's quite an understatement :)
[11:14] <Phreakazoid> moving to breezy looks like about half a gigabyte of downloading
[11:14] <boehn> oh
[11:14] <ice_1963> -i
[11:14] <IIIEars> Good Luck bob2 (crosses fingers)
[11:14] <boehn> k
[11:14] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, :) same here
[11:14] <MicroChris> everyone shat themselves today with the xorg "bug"
[11:14] <rommer> Phreakazoid: and thats alot if its just going to die on ya
[11:14] <MicroChris> all it was was a font dir switch
[11:14] <MicroChris> and everyone went nuts
[11:14] <Seveas> lol bob2 :)
[11:14] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: I love gentoo and nothing can really compare to some of the things it offers but wow....
[11:14] <Phreakazoid> rommer, yeah
[11:14] <bob2> if you're the sort of person who will complain about X being broken, do not use breezy
[11:14] <MicroChris> gentoo blows
[11:14] <bob2> if not being able to login is a problem for oyu, do not use breezy
[11:14] <bob2> etc
[11:14] <count0nz> yes
[11:14] <MicroChris> i got sick of broken ebuilds
[11:15] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: and my mythtv box will more than likely always run gentoo as I dont need all the fluff and its easier that way :)
[11:15] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, prob same here mythtv is not likeing me on U
[11:15] <rommer> is bind the same sorta thing as squid?
[11:15] <Seveas> rommer, no
[11:15] <lampshade> rommer: no
[11:15] <rommer> ok
[11:15] <Seveas> bind is a dns server, squid a proxy server
[11:15] <munki> Aren't there a apt-get source where I can get the newest Gaim version ? (1.3.0)
[11:15] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: yeah its smooth as silk on gentoo I have to say that so why break something thats smooth as silk :)
[11:16] <count0nz> I'll go compile mythtv from source tho and se how that goes
[11:16] <count0nz> agree 100%
[11:16] <Seveas> munki, it's available in the backports you'd better install from scratch instead of using backports
[11:16] <bob2> munki: it's in breezy.  please don't use it.
[11:16] <MicroChris> honestly though, todays xorg break was two minor things, and everyone went absolutely crazy
[11:16] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: gentoo may take a while to get mythtv up and running but I barely did anything to it really... all I did was set the damn database thats really all....
[11:16] <munki> Seveas , okay -I will compile it myself then .
[11:16] <IIIEars> << Going to wait for you two to smooth things out woth MythTV
[11:17] <munki> thanx .
[11:17] <MicroChris> anyone running 2.6.12?
[11:17] <MicroChris> no more shitty kernel panic like with 2.6.11 in Ubuntu
[11:17] <Seveas> MicroChris, that is because lots of people who should not use breezy, are using breezy
[11:17] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, true :) here its missing things (U) i will try compileing from source and see how it goes
[11:17] <SlicerDicer> my main beef that pissed me off with gentoo is my sound not working properly
[11:17] <bob2> bear in mind 2.6.11 was known to be broken in hoary
[11:17] <bob2> and was not supported
[11:17] <bob2> and people were told not to use it
[11:17] <MicroChris> agreed Seveas
[11:18] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, Same U works perfect for me
[11:18] <Seveas> and 2.6.12 is only in breezy (if it is there)
[11:18] <MicroChris> yeah its there
[11:18] <MicroChris> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.10 - breezy Kernel: 2.6.12-1-686, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.3
[11:18] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: well I am a AMD64 user so that opens a can of worms of the likes you havent ever seen lol
[11:18] <count0nz> :( noooooooooooooo
[11:18] <IIIEars> lol
[11:19] <MicroChris> AMD64 on linux is a whole new chapter
[11:19] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, :( lol i want one
[11:19] <MicroChris> chrooting shit
[11:19] <MicroChris> i never got into it
[11:19] <MicroChris> Im happy with my 2500+ heh
[11:19] <bob2> you only need to chroot proprietary stuff
[11:19] <MicroChris> well, true
[11:19] <bob2> basically allf ree software Just Works on amd64
[11:19] <count0nz> LOL Duron 1600 OC 1800 (2ghz) and a P3-733 (both 512meg ram)
[11:19] <IIIEars> Will the terminal type ahead and guess using a history file?
[11:19] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-340801.html look at that you will see why I am so frustrated with gentoo lol its like bashing your head into a brick wall and you feel pain but well it just feels so damn good you continue :/
[11:20] <bigfoot> Does anyone know how to get Search while in a nautilus folder? IN Windows, all you had to do was Ctrl+F or Edit-->Find. Thanks
[11:20] <count0nz> i feel your pain :)
[11:20] <concept10> anyone know of a good hardware channel? i need advice on ecs motherboard
[11:20] <MicroChris> Xchat is painfully slow on Breezy and this new kernel
[11:20] <SlicerDicer> but seriously I would take that pain over windows anyday :) if I tried to do that in windows well just never mind :)
[11:21] <bob2> IIIEars: hit ctrl-r, then type, then "yes"
[11:21] <count0nz> no windows here all U :)
[11:21] <MicroChris> im dual booting 2000 and Breezy, I should delete 2000 and put another distro on
[11:21] <count0nz> 4 PC's all running Linux
[11:21] <phend> hi all
[11:21] <IIIEars> Linux configure and keep. Windows is configure connect and reinstall.
[11:21] <SlicerDicer> so question for ya count0nz when new releases of ubuntu comes out is it like gentoo and you just update?
[11:21] <count0nz> Hi Phen
[11:21] <count0nz> phend,
[11:21] <ice_1963> 28+ here =)
[11:21] <IIIEars> bob2 - THANKS
[11:21] <deviant> hello
[11:21] <Seveas> SlicerDicer, yes
[11:22] <bigfoot> I'm in terminal, in my home directory. there is a folder called "My Downloads." When I enter "cd My Downloads", it says bash: cd: My: No such file or directory. How do I go to that directory?
[11:22] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, you just edit your sources, then type dist-upgrade
[11:22] <SlicerDicer> good stuff
[11:22] <MicroChris> bigfoot
[11:22] <MicroChris> PM me
[11:22] <Seveas> SlicerDicer, you can do it in one command:
[11:22] <bob2> IIIEars: or, in zsh, type something, then meta-q to complete from history
[11:22] <deviant> what is the best vo to use with mplayer ? (i have a Radeon 9550XT)
[11:22] <bigfoot> From Nautilus, what is the recommended way to get Search?
[11:22] <Seveas> SlicerDicer: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:22] <snader> bigfoot: cd "my Downloads"
[11:22] <concept10> cd /My Downloads
[11:22] <phend> can anyone suggest subjects/apps relating to gnome which might make interesting presentation material?
[11:22] <Seveas> and same for hoary->breezy
[11:22] <IIIEars> :)
[11:22] <snader> or cd M<tab>
[11:22] <SlicerDicer> that synaptic package manager blows my mind...
[11:22] <bigfoot> snader, oh, you need the quotation marks!
[11:22] <count0nz> :)
[11:22] <bob2> deviant: xv works well basically everywhere
[11:22] <Seveas> phend, OpenOffice.org impress?
[11:23] <bob2> phend: everyone likes beagle, as long as it doesn't crash
[11:23] <count0nz> breezy is doing update now
[11:23] <concept10> ubuntu has beagle ?
[11:23] <Seveas> yes, in breezy concept10
[11:23] <Choubaka> Hmm...
[11:23] <Seveas> it's installable from source in hoary
[11:23] <phend> bob2, I'd love to do it on beagle, but I don't have it on hoary - i'd like to demo too. are there hoary packages?
[11:23] <deviant> bob2: i`m using xv, but the movie keeps jamming for short periods of time.
[11:23] <rommer> can someone tell me where the squid.conf file is?
[11:23] <Choubaka> I hope I get enough money for a new computer.
[11:23] <Choubaka> This one is breaking.
[11:24] <count0nz> rommer, /etc/squid/squid.conf
[11:24] <phend> Seveas, i'll be doing it in ooo impress
[11:24] <bob2> phend: there's stuff on the wiki, I don't know how useful it is
[11:24] <Seveas> rommer, /etc/squid.conf or /etc/squid/squid.conf
[11:24] <bob2> deviant: how fast is the computer, what video format, what bitrate?
[11:24] <rommer> count0nz, Seveas: thanks
[11:24] <larsrohdin> how to install a new mouse-driver?
[11:24] <SlicerDicer> Seveas: is kubuntu got the same slick stuff as ubuntu?
[11:24] <phend> bob2, yeah i remember attempting it with warty and having bad results and gave up in the end
[11:24] <bob2> deviant: '-cache 16384' might help
[11:24] <bob2> larsrohdin: if no one here knows, try asking on the user list
[11:24] <Seveas> SlicerDicer, no, other slick stuff, kde related instead of gnome related :)
[11:24] <count0nz> :)
[11:25] <phend> i installed suse 9.3 the other day and beagle was great...but installed ubuntu over it again :)
[11:25] <MicroChris> is anyone else having sound problems in Breezy at the moment? Nothing works
[11:25] <SlicerDicer> Seveas: I mean does it have kde equals?
[11:25] <Seveas> yes
[11:25] <lampshade> anyone here use Solaris 10?  This is really random but what's your opinion on it?  Good bad?  How is it different from Linux(other than it is Sun, more unix like, etc)
[11:25] <SlicerDicer> cool
[11:25] <Seveas> (afaik)
[11:25] <larsrohdin> bob2, what?
[11:25] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, but you can just type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:25] <count0nz> to get it in ubantu :)
[11:25] <MicroChris> lampshade, ive heard mixed things about solaris
[11:25] <deviant> bob2: XP2400+, 512 Mb RAM, Radeon 9550X with 128 RAM; and the video format doesen`t matter. i`ve tried sevral: mpeg, avi, ..
[11:25] <SlicerDicer> Seveas: this is why I hang on to my spare 12gb 5400 drive that is so outdated and is on its last leg is for testing distros :)
[11:26] <MicroChris> the UI on Solaris looks good though
[11:26] <Seveas> MicroChris, do they still use that CDE crap?
[11:26] <bob2> larsrohdin: try asking your question on the mailing list, more people read that than are currently here.
[11:26] <MicroChris> lol I think so
[11:26] <SlicerDicer> old old mac G3 400mhz standard drive lol! 12gb 5400rpm :)
[11:26] <Choubaka> isn't Sun Java desktop based on GNOME?
[11:26] <bob2> deviant: try the cache option
[11:26] <count0nz> Solaris was looking good agree
[11:26] <Seveas> Choubaka, probably not
[11:26] <bob2> it is indeed
[11:26] <SlicerDicer> well guys I am off to sleep thanks for all the help it was great!
[11:26] <count0nz> yes its Gnome or the old CDE as a backup
[11:27] <bob2> it wasn't supported on solaris 9, don't know about 10
[11:27] <MicroChris> I saw screenshots of the newest Solaris that looked like 3ddesktop.. It was like something out of Minority Report
[11:27] <MicroChris> lol
[11:27] <Seveas> ah
[11:27] <Seveas> ok, do i must read up then :)
[11:27] <bob2> that was probably their silly "lookingglass" thing
[11:27] <MicroChris> Yea
[11:27] <count0nz> Seveas, it is quite nice but U better :)
[11:27] <deviant> bob2: i did. cache=1024. bwt, is it a good ideea to use software scaling? (zoom=yes)
[11:28] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, nice dude sweet dreams
[11:28] <lampshade> yeah just figure 10 is free, I have a spare box, why not try it so I"m burning the x86 cd's for it right now
[11:28] <bob2> deviant: don't bother with it, just use -vo xv and -fs
[11:28] <count0nz>  /s/nice/nite
[11:28] <bob2> deviant: and increase the cache
[11:28] <saber_> How can I convert a <.vob> to <.mpeg>?
[11:28] <MicroChris> Not too sure how to do it on linux saber_
[11:28] <MicroChris> its easy on windows
[11:28] <MicroChris> :-X
[11:28] <count0nz> transcode i think ?
[11:29] <MicroChris> word
[11:29] <desplesda> saber_, if you want information on ripping dvds theres a section for that on ubuntuguide.org
[11:29] <bob2> lampshade: it supports a limited set of hardware on i386
[11:29] <bob2> far less than linux does
[11:29] <saber_> i'll go take a look at that, desplesda
[11:29] <deviant> bob2: ok. but i don`t want to see all my movies in full screen. somtimes i watch them as they are. and if they are too small in size i can`t make them larger :(
[11:29] <MicroChris> Im not sure if doom9.org has any linux guides but try there
[11:30] <bob2> deviant: ok
[11:30] <bob2> deviant: anyway, does -cache 16384 help?
[11:31] <Anubis> whats your experience with the new kernel?
[11:32] <deviant> bob2: yes. it seems to work better now. thanks
[11:32] <MicroChris> the new kernels been great here
[11:32] <bob2> seems like you have slow disks then
[11:32] <bob2> or you're wathcing off a network filesystem that's slow
[11:32] <MicroChris> if you mean 2.6.12
[11:32] <deviant> bob2: me ?
[11:32] <bob2> deviant: yes
[11:33] <deviant> bob2: my hdd is @ 7200 RPM with  a 8 Mb cache. and i`m watching from my hdd
[11:33] <bob2> ouch
[11:34] <MicroChris> I actually have a questio
[11:34] <MicroChris> lol
[11:35] <MicroChris> My Gnome Panel on my user (Chris) is totally screwed.. The res on the bar (48px) makes the bar, and Gnome, continuously crash
[11:35] <MicroChris> well, it was 48, I made it 65 and theres no way to make it go back down, from what I can see
[11:35] <seb128> do you have a backtrace of the crash?
[11:35] <MicroChris> ?
[11:36] <seb128> you said it crashes
[11:36] <MicroChris> yeah
[11:36] <seb128> to know what is wrong a backtrace is useful
[11:36] <seb128> you can get it from the bug-buddy dialog to send a bug upstream
[11:36] <deviant> bob2: one more question. how can i activate OSD on my scree when i`m in full screen?
[11:37] <bob2> deviant: 'o'
[11:38] <barby> alguien habla espaol?
[11:39] <Seveas> barby, #ubuntu-es
[11:39] <jaysin> can any one tell me how to change my screen resolution
[11:39] <Seveas> system -> preferences -> screen resolution
[11:39] <deviant> bob2: ermmm. i feel lame regarding the last question :P
[11:39] <barby> thanks
[11:39] <saber_> Is it possible to sort the packages in your system by the date they were installed?
[11:40] <jaysin> seveas  i only have one setting 640 by 480
[11:40] <Seveas> jaysin, edit your xorg.conf to add more :)
[11:40] <bob2> saber_: not easily.
[11:40] <jaysin> seveas  how do i do that
[11:40] <bob2> saber_: if you use aptitude, /var/log/aptitude has all the data for you
[11:41] <bob2> if not...you should ;)
[11:41] <Seveas> bob2/saber_: ls -alt /var/lib/dpkg/info | grep list might do it
[11:41] <bob2> hmmm
[11:41] <saber_> ok. great... at least i have somewhere to start now :)
[11:41] <bob2> they'll be touched by upgrades, I think
[11:41] <Seveas> yes, so it's sorted by date-of-upgrade instead of date-of-install
[11:42] <deviant> guys. i have a problem. if i use an mp3 player (say beep media player), when i open a movie (with mplayer) i don`t have sound: could not open/initalize audio device. any sugestion ?
[11:42] <Seveas> i have forced myself to use aptitude by alias apt-get=aptitude
[11:42] <Seveas> :)
[11:43] <bob2> deviant: configure mplayer to use esd
[11:43] <bob2> and make beep use it too
[11:43] <bob2> ie mplayer -ao esd ...
[11:43] <deviant> bob2: what is esd?
[11:43] <bob2> or just get everything using dmix
[11:43] <bob2> deviant: it's a program that shares the sound device between programs
[11:43] <bob2> (yes it sucks)
[11:44] <deviant> bob2: does it actualy works ?
[11:44] <bob2> yes...
[11:44] <deviant> hmmm
[11:44] <deviant> let me try it
[11:45] <deviant> bob2: nop. it doesen`t. o have the same eror
[11:45] <bob2> dude
[11:45] <wdh> Seveas, why would you do that?
[11:45] <killapop> bob2: i cannot get audacity to capture streaming sound from say real player
[11:45] <bob2> deviant: a) show use the exact mplayer command line you used, b) show us the error
[11:45] <bob2> killapop: what a shame
[11:45] <killapop> bob2: help :)
[11:46] <bob2> killapop: just use mplayer -streamdump
[11:46] <killapop> bob2: alright will try that
[11:46] <saber_> hey guys... i think this sorts installations by date:     ls -altr /var/lib/dpkg/info
[11:46] <deviant> bob2: ao=esd  in mplayer.conf (i`m using the fonted)
[11:47] <saber_> and it does actually take updates into consideration, as my kernel was updated today and it was properly reported
[11:47] <bob2> deviant: use the command line one then and read it's output
[11:47] <k31th> yo
[11:48] <Seveas> wdh, because i actually like aptitude but am so used to apt-get that i automagically use it
[11:49] <deviant> bob2: Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[11:49] <deviant> that`s it
[11:49] <bob2> deviant: when you ran it with "mplayer -ao esd blah.avi", after starting esd?
[11:49] <user1_> hey i'm new with ubuntu, but is it possible to burn files with a burner?
[11:50] <Seveas> user1_, sure
[11:50] <user1_> I don't know much.
[11:50] <user1_> But thanks,
[11:50] <deviant> bob2: ermm, hold on ...
[11:50] <deviant> bob2: ALSA lib conf.c:2811:(snd_config_hook_load) /etc/asound.conf may be old or corrupted: consider to remove or fix it <-- when i start esd
[11:51] <bob2> hah
[11:51] <bob2> nice
[11:51] <deviant> bob2: but i`m using OSS. i have a realtek onboard sound
[11:51] <k31th> user1_: no if you try and write a cd or dvd in linux it was cause a small nukular blast killing everyone within a 30 mile radius
[11:52] <user1_> :(
[11:52] <k31th> :D
[11:52] <bob2> deviant: ouch
[11:52] <k31th> user1_: im joking
[11:52] <user1_> =)
[11:52] <deviant> bob2: yeah ...
[11:52] <user1_> Why do you preffer, using Ubuntu?
[11:53] <deviant> bob2: any sugestions?
[11:53] <bob2> deviant: install libesd0
[11:53] <deviant> hold on
[11:53] <k31th> user1_: cuz its better than windows
[11:53] <k31th> and
[11:53] <k31th> its free
[11:53] <user1_> Is that only why?
[11:53] <user1_> It's also open source, correct?
[11:53] <k31th> and it operates my pc
[11:54] <bob2> user1_: of course
[11:54] <k31th> user1_: correct
[11:54] <bob2> user1_: and free software
[11:54] <user1_> Thank you,
[11:54] <user1_> =)
[11:54] <bob2> (mostly)
[11:54] <k31th> plus
[11:54] <k31th> the girls dig ubuntu
[11:54] <user1_> =) Hehehe, Kelth.
[11:54] <desplesda> i agree with k31th
[11:55] <k31th> i tell them im running ubuntu and there round my house on there knees beggin for it
[11:55] <desplesda> they squeal with delight when they hear the login drums
[11:55] <deviant> bob2: ok, done. now what ?
[11:55] <k31th> lol
[11:55] <bob2> deviant: now try starting it
[11:55] <count0nz> LOL i 2nd that Gils Love Ubantu :)
[11:55] <bob2> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[11:55] <user1_> Look it's stupid of me to ask this question, but i'm new to the linux enviroment. I'm only a kid, and I don't know much of Linux,
[11:55] <deviant> bob2: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[11:55] <k31th> u 3rd it
[11:55] <user1_> But, with Microsoft, Spyware is everywhere, pretty much Infested!
[11:55] <user1_> Is it possible with Linux to get Spyware?
[11:55] <user1_> =(
[11:55] <k31th> user1_: you wont have a problem
[11:56] <desplesda> technically its possible user1_
[11:56] <bob2> deviant: kill whatever is using it
[11:56] <bob2> deviant: fuser -v /dev/dsp
[11:56] <user1_> =(
[11:56] <k31th> user1_: you wont have an issue
[11:56] <desplesda> but linux is 1. a little better, security wise
[11:56] <k31th> alot
[11:56] <user1_> ....But...
[11:56] <desplesda> 2. not targeted by spyware
[11:56] <user1_> Why....?
[11:56] <deviant> bob2: i think is beep media player
[11:56] <user1_> How does this protocol work?
[11:56] <k31th> an OS is as secure as its user
[11:56] <bob2> deviant: kill it
[11:57] <k31th> if you want security unpatch your pc
[11:57] <djp> is it possible to make a partition and install windows on a machine that has ubuntu installed by default?
[11:57] <k31th> yes
[11:57] <k31th> but why would you want to do that :p
[11:57] <deviant> bob2: ok, i think esd is workin. i`ve heard some strage bips
[11:57] <count0nz> user1_,  some bedtime reading for you >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
[11:58] <user1_> Ok, I'm only in 5th grade.
[11:58] <user1_> I have school in less then 6 hours,
[11:58] <desplesda> user1_, are you still after info on cd burning?
[11:58] <bob2> deviant: right, now try mplayer again
[11:58] <djp> k31th: how easy is this? is there a tutorial anywhere?
[11:58] <user1_> I won't rest. =(
[11:58] <bob2> djp: yes
[11:58] <user1_> I'm reading. =)
[11:58] <user1_> But, thank-you so much!
[11:58] <count0nz> When it comes to email-borne viruses and worms, Linux may not be completely immune - after all, nothing is immune to human gullibility and stupidity - but it is much more resistant. To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work
[11:58] <djp> k31th: i know, i know! i miss a couple of great emulators that i want to run, Gens and Zsnes
[11:58] <djp> k31th: i know that zsnes works under ubuntu but gens i cannot get to work
[11:58] <count0nz> on it
[11:59] <djp> bob2: thanks
[11:59] <deviant> bob2: nop. doesen`t work
[11:59] <bob2> deviant: from the command line, with the flags I told yo uto use?
[12:00] <bigfoot> how do i give gnome a restart? and what exactly happens when i do that? What is its purpose?
[12:00] <deviant> bob2: ok, it works. but if i star beep media player will it work then
[12:01] <bob2> deviant: yes...
[12:01] <desplesda> bigfoot, if you want to force gnome to restart hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:01] <bob2> bigfoot: why do you want to restart it?
[12:01] <desplesda> it will kill the x server
[12:01] <bob2> bigfoot: restarting gnome = log out and back in again
[12:01] <desplesda> and return you to the login screen
[12:01] <bigfoot> bob2 coz i installed help files for my gimp2.2.2. I did'nt have helpfiles before installing them this hour.
[12:01] <desplesda> bigfoot, you don't need to restart gnome for that
[12:02] <bigfoot> desplesda, i don't?
[12:02] <desplesda> no
[12:02] <desplesda> restarting gimp should be enough
[12:02] <bigfoot> but the help files are not showing up in Gimp-->Help>Help.
[12:02] <desplesda> that's odd
[12:02] <bigfoot> And i've already closed Gimp, and then restarted it.
[12:03] <desplesda> what did you do to install the help files?
[12:03] <deviant> bob2: lol. beep media player just crashed :(
[12:03] <bob2> nice
[12:03] <deviant> yeah
[12:03] <bigfoot> desplesda, in synaptic, i got gimp-help-common and gimp-help-en. do i need to download gimp-helpbrowser?
[12:03] <Seveas> debfoster is nice
[12:04] <Seveas> i just cleaned out 200 MB :)
[12:04] <bigfoot> Seveas, hey i want to do that too.
[12:04] <bigfoot> (to reclaim unnecessary hard drive space)
[12:04] <Seveas> bigfoot, aptitude install debfoster :)
[12:04] <desplesda> bigfoot, gimp-help-common should have caused you to download gimp-helpbrowser
[12:04] <Seveas> and sudo debfoster
[12:05] <Gog> and there was me thinking apt did it all itself :)
[12:05] <saber_> ah debfoster is awesome. that removes my need to know which packages were installed at what time
[12:05] <we2by> how do I make an image size smaller without lowing alot the quality and his image size (width and height)?
[12:06] <Gog> we2by: try differnt formats
[12:06] <we2by> jpg?
[12:06] <Gog> jpg will lose a fair ammount of quality - depends on the content really
[12:06] <desplesda> we2by, what sort of image are you working with?
[12:06] <desplesda> if it's a photo use jpg
[12:06] <we2by> a screenshot of my desktop
[12:06] <Gog> you can radically change the image size by altering the jpg properties
[12:06] <desplesda> go with a png or gif for that
[12:07] <desplesda> theyre designed for diagrams
[12:07] <Seveas> png is the way to go for screenshots
[12:07] <we2by> the size is 650kb
[12:07] <we2by> :(
[12:07] <Seveas> we2by, jpg can compress better...
[12:07] <k31th> png format owns
[12:08] <desplesda> heh, we2by, welcome to the format wars :D
[12:08] <Gog> heh
[12:08] <we2by> I dunno how to conver it to jpg via gimp
[12:08] <bigfoot> desplesda, the thing is, though, what i marked for installation was not gimp-help-common, but rather gimp-help-en.
[12:08] <bigfoot>  Actually, this is one of my other problems: How do I know which file to mark for installation? And a related problem, how do I know which file to mark for UNinstallation?
[12:08] <webmind> we2by, open with gimp, and then save as
[12:09] <k31th> Irssi uptime: 77d 22h 44m 22s
[12:09] <k31th> Whos the man ?
[12:09] <bigfoot> k31th, what's irssi?
[12:09] <k31th> bigfoot: irc client
[12:09] <Gog> it's the devils own child
[12:09] <k31th> cmdline one
[12:09] <desplesda> bigfoot, try installing gimp-help-common as well
[12:09] <user1_> There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:///tmp/02.mpg", you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[12:09] <k31th> so i can run it in screen and ssh to it from any where
[12:09] <user1_> I know, i'm asking alot. But I promise
[12:09] <user1_> this is the last.
[12:10] <user1_> =) why do I get that?
[12:10] <desplesda> user1_, its no trouble :)
[12:10] <k31th> user1_: go forth and ask
[12:10] <we2by> wow
[12:10] <user1_> =) Thank you so much sir.
[12:10] <we2by> I get 230kb with jpg
[12:10] <desplesda> user1_, run 'file 02.mpg' and tell us what you see
[12:10] <user1_> k
[12:10] <k31th> porn
[12:10] <count0nz> user1_, ask as much as you want we don't have limits :)
[12:10] <k31th> i smell it
[12:10] <bigfoot> desplesda, when I marked-for-installation gimp-help-en, synaptic had me also download gimp-help-common. But it's just those 2 files. Synaptic did not make me download gimp-helpbrowser.
[12:11] <k31th> sorry user1_ you have used up your asking token limit for today
[12:11] <k31th> please wait 24 hours for your limit to be reset
[12:11] <bigfoot> ha ha.
[12:11] <desplesda> that's weird, gimp-help-en depends on gimp-helpbrowser
[12:11] <bob2> that seems reasonable
[12:12] <count0nz> mmmm user1_ i'll sell you 10 tokens for $50 :)
[12:12] <k31th> all answers to further questions will now be answered in 1337 in the form of "stfu" "rtfm" "omfgn00bstfuIMOtbh"
[12:12] <desplesda> bigfoot, go ahead and download gimp-helpbrowser
[12:12] <desplesda> im surprised it didnt make you download it before
[12:12] <k31th> user1_: of corse you know we are only joking
[12:12] <desplesda> k31th: we are?!
[12:13] <count0nz> lol are we :)
[12:13] <user1_> Do you get payed phor this?
[12:13] <desplesda> no user1_
[12:13] <desplesda> we're all volunteers :)
[12:13] <user1_> :o Amazing.....
[12:13] <count0nz> lol we wish
[12:13] <user1_> I wanna be just like you,
[12:13] <user1_> I wanna help people.
[12:13] <desplesda> there are proper companies that provide tech support, like canonical
[12:13] <we2by> here is my screenshot, rate it please. http://www.ratemydesktop.co.uk/index.php?ac=1&id=73
[12:13] <user1_> =) You're amazing.
[12:13] <bob2> the best way to learn to help people is by using it
[12:13] <count0nz> we do it for the thanks and we where all once newbies
[12:14] <bigfoot> desplesda, i think i know what you're saying: I checked the Properties of help-en, and it says that it depends on gimp-helpbrowser. BUT, BUT, BUT, after saying that, on the same line, it has a vertical line (I don't know how to type it on my keyboard), then the words www-browser
[12:14] <desplesda> but the majority of help comes from the community
[12:14] <desplesda> the vertical line means 'or'
[12:14] <bob2> bigfoot: that means it needs either installed
[12:14] <count0nz> and agree we are allways learning new things we help each other
[12:14] <desplesda> gimp-help-en has 2 dependencies
[12:14] <desplesda> help-common and help-browser
[12:14] <bigfoot> bob2, but i have firefox browser. isn't this what www-browser means?
[12:15] <desplesda> it can use help-browser or, failing that, www-browser
[12:15] <desplesda> www-browser is a 'virtual package'
[12:15] <bigfoot> oh.
[12:15] <desplesda> if you have any browser installed, firefox, epiphany, lynx, you'll also have www-browser on board too
[12:15] <bigfoot> desplesda, so how do i know whether i have www-browser? And if do, i guess i don't need to get gimp-helpbrowser, right?+
[12:15] <user1_> You're amazing, because you're changing the world. =) Like me i'm only 9
[12:15] <bigfoot> ?
[12:16] <user1_> Hehehe, well thank you! bye-bye!
[12:16] <bigfoot> user1_, a nine year old? wow.
[12:16] <bigfoot> bye.
[12:16] <desplesda> wow
[12:16] <we2by> no one like to rate my desktop at http://www.ratemydesktop.co.uk/index.php?ac=1&id=73 ?
[12:16] <we2by> :(
[12:16] <desplesda> im pressed
[12:16] <desplesda> er
[12:16] <desplesda> i'm impressed
[12:16] <desplesda> not i'm pressed
[12:16] <bob2> bigfoot: you installed firefox from the ubuntu packages?
[12:16] <jsgotangco> a 9 year old?
[12:16] <k31th> user1_: feel free to idle
[12:17] <bigfoot> bob2, um, not sure what you mean, but when I converted from Windows to Ubuntu with a Ubuntu CD, ubuntu CD installed firefox.
[12:17] <user1_> =) Hehe, I will sir! you've help me alot.
[12:17] <desplesda> user1_, i notice that we've resolved neither of your questions
[12:17] <desplesda> :P
[12:17] <user1_> It's amazing, you are.  Bye-bye.
[12:18] <bigfoot> sorsis, back to, ahem, my problem ( 8-)  ) with Gimp Help...
[12:18] <desplesda> bye then user1_
[12:19] <bigfoot> not sorsis, but so,
[12:19] <desplesda> im not entirely sure he knew what idle means, k31th
[12:19] <count0nz> Cya user1
[12:19] <desplesda> :D
[12:19] <k31th> its still doing it wtf
[12:20] <k31th> im going to reboot
[12:20] <k31th> damn this
[12:20] <count0nz> k31th, good luck
[12:20] <bigfoot> Sir bob2, would love to hear from you.
[12:20] <bigfoot> sir desplesda ?
[12:20] <desplesda> sir bigfoot
[12:21] <bob2> ?
[12:21] <desplesda> you have all three of those packages installed, yes?
[12:21] <bigfoot> ha! i await your words, my highness.
[12:21] <bigfoot> nope.
[12:21] <count0nz> i bow at your feet sir
[12:21] <bob2> if you have firefox installed from a package, then apt won't install the gimp browser
[12:21] <bigfoot> oops. I meant. No, sir.
[12:21] <desplesda> well, you'll need gimp-help-common, gimp-help-en
[12:22] <desplesda> make sure you have those two
[12:22] <bigfoot> Sir bob2, if i have Firefox from the Ubuntu installation, does that mean that I have firefox installed from package (and therefore, I don't need gimp-helpbrowser)?
[12:22] <bob2> yes
[12:22] <bob2> you don't need to fiddle with any of this, tho
[12:22] <bigfoot> Sir desplesda, i did have those two you mentioned.
[12:22] <bob2> just install the help package with synaptic and apt will sort it out
[12:22] <bigfoot> Sir bob2, fiddly with any of what?
[12:23] <k31th> damn this
[12:23] <bigfoot> Sir count0nz, get back up off your knees!
[12:23] <k31th> the screen is still bent
[12:23] <k31th> it apears to only do it in xterm
[12:23] <count0nz> sit bigfoot thank you
[12:23] <bob2> bigfoot: just install gnome-help-en or whatever with synaptic and everything will just work
[12:24] <count0nz> sir bob2 its maby a refreshrate maby ?
[12:24] <bigfoot> Sir bob2, i did get gimp-help-en. Then synaptic marked gimp-help-common. But when i open Gimp and go to Help-->help, no help files. Nothing happens.
[12:25] <bob2> count0nz: I don't know what you're talking about
[12:25] <count0nz> sir bot2 opps
[12:25] <count0nz> sir k3ith i mean :)
[12:26] <bigfoot> Sir count0nz, are you telling me to sit? 8-). Okay. Woof woof!
[12:26] <count0nz> lol
[12:26] <count0nz> oh god
[12:26] <count0nz> lag
[12:26] <bigfoot> is lag an acronym?
[12:27] <bigfoot> laughing a. g.?
[12:27] <count0nz> dono
[12:27] <desplesda> no, lag is when theres a delay between you and the chat server
[12:27] <count0nz> Lag = Latency
[12:27] <desplesda> if you're lagging your client is lagging behind whats going on
[12:27] <count0nz> yes
[12:27] <desplesda> at the moment im lagging by about 0.8 seconds
[12:27] <desplesda> according to xchat :)
[12:28] <bigfoot> Sir bob2, you have my attention (divided with every other kind person helping me in this chatroom!)
[12:28] <IIIEars> Yikes! - Newb nightmare. Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[12:28] <count0nz>  Ping reply from kornbluth.freenode.net: 2.44 second(s
[12:28] <IIIEars> What do i need to do?
[12:28] <desplesda> IIIEars, do you have 3d drivers installed?
[12:28] <mark345> anyone here using 5
[12:29] <IIIEars> Yes
[12:29] <mark345> 5.1 disk 1
[12:29] <Super_dude> why does my windows pc ask me for a password when i try to share files with my ubuntu (samba installed)
[12:29] <mark345> you like
[12:29] <mark345> ?
[12:29] <ApesMa> IIIEars: you will want to look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:29] <mark345> im currently using ubuntu 5.04
[12:29] <desplesda> mark345, most of us are :)
[12:30] <mark345> lol, yes, you're right
[12:30] <new2gentoo> IIIEars, did you add load "glx" and nvidia as driver in xorg.conf?
[12:30] <bigfoot> sir desplesda, sir bob2: I'm so sorry for bothering you with my post: You're right: Everything is working fine. I just didn't know that Gimp opened up a new tab in my already-opened-but-currently-minimized  Firefox window!
[12:30] <IIIEars> despleda - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?   CTCP from count0nz?
[12:30] <mark345> any large pluses to the 5.1 release?
[12:30] <IIIEars> i haven't checked yet - give me a sec
[12:30] <desplesda> bigfoot, :D
[12:30] <desplesda> mark345, you should upgrade at once
[12:30] <desplesda> :D
[12:31] <mark345> im 30% done downloading
[12:31] <mark345> 31!
[12:31] <mark345> lol
[12:31] <k31th> how odd that a terminal bends text but nothing else does
[12:31] <bigfoot>  Can you read the character that begins this sentence, anybody?
[12:31] <count0nz> k31th, odd
[12:31] <mark345> ok, who here say starwars 3?
[12:31] <desplesda> bigfoot, yes
[12:32] <count0nz> bigfoot, no but it looks cute:)
[12:32] <k31th> ahh
[12:32] <mark345> i work security in seattle, and tons of starwars nuts in there, always brings a smile to my face
[12:32] <k31th> i changed the background image
[12:32] <k31th> and it seems to have fixed it
[12:32] <desplesda> well by read i mean 'see an image rather than a blank' rather than 'comprehend' :P
[12:32] <bigfoot> sir count0nz, you can't read it means you can see it, but you don't understand it, right?
[12:32] <Nermal> bob2, any way to downgrade from breezy to hoary ?
[12:32] <k31th> laptop it going on ebay soon anyway
[12:32] <k31th> any recomends on wat to buy ?
[12:32] <k31th> i want long battery life
[12:32] <Nermal> ibook ? :)
[12:33] <k31th> humm
[12:33] <k31th> no
[12:33] <Nermal> powerbook ?
[12:33] <mark345> anyone else here use sage?
[12:33] <k31th> iv used it
[12:33] <mark345> or any other rss reader for that matter?
[12:33] <Nermal> something with a transmeta cpu ?
[12:33] <k31th> for wat
[12:33] <desplesda> Nermal, i did that last night - basically i just rebooted into the hoary install environment, rm -rf'ed everything but /home and /etc
[12:33] <k31th> i know a comapny that are very friendly with sage
[12:33] <Nermal> mark345, I use a different rss reader
[12:33] <bigfoot> Sirs desplesda, count0nz: i've wasted your time trying to get the Gimp help file on Gimp! Why do i say so? Coz it's available online, too, at Gimp.org!
[12:33] <desplesda> and then installed hoary
[12:33] <ApesMa> I'm using totem to display an Ogg Theora file, and about the right hand 1/4 of the window is covered with colored stripes. I also see this when I use tvtime and when viewing some AVIs. How might I narrow down the possible causes?
[12:33] <k31th> using sage for wat exactly accounts or ?
[12:33] <bigfoot> and it looks like the same thing.
[12:33] <desplesda> bigfoot, no problem :)
[12:33] <bigfoot> anyway, much thanks!
[12:33] <bigfoot> Senor desplesda, you spanish?
[12:34] <desplesda> er, no, i'm australian :P
[12:34] <bigfoot> your nickname sounds it.
[12:34] <Nermal> ApesMa, try switching the backend of totem ?
[12:34] <desplesda> hah, that's a new one
[12:34] <desplesda> :D
[12:34] <egg|QCpass> hi all
[12:34] <bigfoot> just wondering: any female Ubuntuers here? or are we all males?
[12:34] <desplesda> hi egg|QCpass
[12:34] <bob2> Nermal: nope, don't use breezy
[12:34] <bigfoot> hi egg|QCpass!
[12:34] <bob2> Nermal: there's a reason it's in the /topic
[12:34] <k31th> lol
[12:34] <Nermal> bob2, I know this
[12:34] <k31th> DONT USE IT
[12:34] <ApesMa> Nermal: will give that a try; thanks.
[12:34] <Nermal> but I've been using it for a lot longer than that warning has been there
[12:35] <bigfoot> k31th is mad!
[12:35] <desplesda> bigfoot, theres probably a few, but their genders hardly relevant now is it? :P
[12:35] <Nermal> which is why I would like to downgrade to hoary
[12:35] <Super_dude> how do i enable windows networking
[12:35] <bob2> Nermal: that was even sillier
[12:35] <count0nz> how do you know whats installed ?
[12:35] <Nermal> X brokenness is becoming a pain to fix
[12:35] <k31th> dunno about that but im hungry
[12:35] <IIIEars> Yes - Load	"GLcore" "bitmap" "dbe" "ddc" "dri" "extmod" "freetype" "glx" "int10" "record" "type1" "vbe"
[12:35] <k31th> id like to be paid
[12:35] <bigfoot> desplesda, not relevant at all. just wondering if it's mostly males who use linux /ubuntu. that's all.
[12:35] <k31th> end of the month and im skint
[12:35] <Super_dude> How do i enable windows networking.
[12:35] <new2gentoo> IIIEars, remove or comment out load "dri"
[12:35] <Nermal> Super_dude, ?
[12:35] <desplesda> its mostly males who use linux, but there are a lot more nerd girls out there than most people suspect
[12:36] <Nermal> ask a decent question
[12:36] <Nermal> f00l
[12:36] <new2gentoo> IIIEars, and add nvidia as driver instead of nv
[12:36] <bigfoot> Nermal, who's a fool?
[12:36] <IIIEars> Ah - okay. - not too difficult. - whew
[12:36] <Super_dude> i need file sharing?
[12:36] <Nermal> urgh
[12:36] <Seveas> Nermal, please keep the code of conduct in mind!
[12:36] <Nermal> RTFM on samba
[12:36] <liable> oooops
[12:36] <egg|QCpass> RTFS
[12:36] <Seveas> Super_dude, what do you want exactly?
[12:36] <egg|QCpass> UTFS
[12:36] <bigfoot> why sigh?
[12:36] <Nermal> so there is no way to downgrade
[12:37] <desplesda> Nermal, 1. 'rtfm' isnt exactly helpful :P 2. do you have your home directory on a separate partition?
[12:37] <IIIEars> new2gentoo - Thank You.     (that doesn't mean you get any slack in UT2k4 okay? - grin)
[12:37] <Nermal> because instead of answering my question, people just yell "don't use breezy" which is obvious from the topic
[12:37] <Super_dude> to share files with my windwos pc it cant acsess my files because it needs a password iv tried my root one and nothings worked?
[12:37] <new2gentoo> ok IIIEars :)
[12:37] <Seveas> Nermal, downgrading is impossible.
[12:37] <liable> Nermal: prolly easiest to re-install
[12:37] <desplesda> nermal, i can help you, i did it last night
[12:37] <bob2> Super_dude: do you mean "How do I let windows computers access files on my Ubuntu machine?"?
[12:37] <Nermal> nah..   It can have its own accounts
[12:45] <Seveas> please read the configuration and the manual
[12:46] <wdh> does anyone know of a tool that converts a DiVX file to an iso with a (s)vcd version of it?
[12:46] <Super_dude> seveas then therefore it is setting its own password which is not "user friendly".
[12:46] <novaflare> ack
[12:46] <Seveas> Super_dude, ack, but that's the way it is.
[12:46] <novaflare> our card model is an entire number in the 9xxx series, and is equal to or above 9500   <<<< mine is a 9k
[12:47] <desplesda> wdh, you need to look up what format VCD uses
[12:47] <desplesda> and then transcode into that
[12:47] <novaflare> oh nvm i see
[12:47] <desplesda> im not sure of what it is myself
[12:47] <Super_dude> seveas ack but thats better than windows (it formatted its self ) lol.
[12:48] <novaflare> silly question how do i tell what my exact version of ubuntu is?
[12:48] <Super_dude> seveas ack ill leave now
[12:48] <Seveas> novaflare, cat /etc/issue
[12:49] <novaflare> ty
[12:49] <Seveas> novaflare, or cat /etc/lsb-release
[12:49] <novaflare> first was good enough
[12:50] <Seveas> :)
[12:50] <count0nz> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu (The Breezy Badger Release) Development Branch"
[12:50] <count0nz> :)
[12:50] <wdh> desplesda, i was hoping for a simple script
[12:50] <desplesda> wdh, the simple answer is that you're actually asking for two things here
[12:50] <novaflare> and now for the control panel part so i can have my precious dual displays back :)
[12:51] <desplesda> wdh: first you need to convert the DivX into the format that VCD uses (mpeg?)
[12:51] <desplesda> wdh: and then you need to create the image itself, with its directory structure, so a VCD player will recognise it
[12:51] <Grap> hi
[12:52] <count0nz> hi Grap
[12:52] <Grap> i have a little question, the only diference between kubuntu and ubuntu is the desktop manager ???
[12:52] <novaflare> and now brb to reboot
[12:52] <count0nz> Grap, as far as i know yes
[12:52] <desplesda> wdh: this probably isn't the channel to ask that in
[12:53] <desplesda> sorry :(
[12:53] <egg|QCpass> grap != crap -_-
[12:53] <Grap> thx, and the last question is... the respository of ubuntu also contains packets as kismet and airsnort, or i have to add more sources that are not supported?
[12:54] <desplesda> Grap, have you added the universe repository?
[12:55] <Riddell> Grap: the desktop and all the desktop programmes
[12:55] <Grap> i don't have ubuntu installed yet
[12:55] <Riddell> Grap: airsnort and kismet are in theer
[12:55] <desplesda> Grap, well, once you've installed ubuntu, follow the instructions at ubuntuguide.org on how to add extra repositories
[12:56] <Grap> i know how to add them
[12:56] <desplesda> airsnort and kismet are in the universe repository, which isnt enabled by default
[12:56] <Grap> but i mean if there were all packages as debian
[12:56] <Grap> ok
[12:56] <Grap> and now the last question
[12:56] <count0nz> those packages are in backports
[12:56] <Grap> can I install more desktop managers in ubuntu?
[12:56] <desplesda> Grap, you can indeed
[12:56] <Seveas> Grap, of course
[12:56] <count0nz> count0nz, oh lol
[12:56] <egg|QCpass> great!!! i love backport
[12:56] <count0nz> opps
[12:57] <desplesda> kde is in main
[12:57] <desplesda> xfce is in universe i believe
[12:57] <tahorg> count0nz: speaking alone ?
[12:57] <Seveas> egg|QCpass, backports are evil
[12:57] <Seveas> they break alot
[12:57] <egg|QCpass> ???
[12:57] <count0nz> tahorg, i got mixed up :)
[12:57] <Grap> ok thx everybody
[12:57] <Grap> see ya
[12:57] <desplesda> no problem, bye
[12:57] <egg|QCpass> i am confused ?_?
[12:58] <count0nz> i can't install transcode becose of backports
[12:58] <Seveas> backports are the root of lots of evil
[12:58] <egg|QCpass> oh
[12:58] <bob2> yaya teh backportz!111
[12:58] <Seveas> breakages, upgrade hell, etc...
[12:58] <Amaranth> Seveas: Actually they've fixed the upgrade hell part.
[12:58] <bob2> Amaranth: the versions still seem to be moronic
[12:59] <Seveas> bob2, you're almost iso 707 IEEE 1337 compliant :)
[12:59] <Amaranth> bob2: The ~udp bit?
[12:59] <froud> anyone got a document or pointer on howto install pcmcia 802.11g
[12:59] <count0nz> backprts causes this lol
[12:59] <count0nz> Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[12:59] <count0nz>              Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[12:59] <count0nz>              Depends: libxvidcore4 but it is not going to be installed
[12:59] <bob2> Amaranth: # synaptic_0.56+revertedto+officialhoary+0.55+cvs20050406-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[01:00] <Amaranth> bob2: that one is nasty, yes
[01:00] <Amaranth> bob2: and it doesn't have the ~, so it will cause upgrade problems
[01:00] <bob2> and using ~ everywhere is silly
[01:00] <Amaranth> using ~ appearently fixes the upgrades problems
[01:00] <egg|QCpass> backport was not well testing?
[01:00] <Seveas> ~ is not allowed in package names iirc
[01:01] <Seveas> egg|QCpass, backports has no QA at all...
[01:01] <bob2> egg|QCpass: the people making them don't seem to be very experienced in making packages
[01:01] <egg|QCpass> haha
[01:01] <novaflare> now if i can figure out how to get my monitors sett to same res and have the extended desk top
[01:01] <bob2> Seveas: ~ is valid in a version according to dpkg, but other tools don't allow it
[01:01] <bob2> e.g. dak
[01:01] <deviant> guys, can you recomemd me a good image viewer please!
[01:01] <Seveas> ah ok
[01:01] <bob2> deviant: you don't like the default gnome one?
[01:01] <novaflare> got the drivers installs and the control panel but dont see how to start the control panel
[01:01] <Amaranth> Seveas: Not quite true, packages go into -staging for a week and then if no one reports any problems they go into the regular repository.
[01:01] <Seveas> deviant, eog or gthumb..?
[01:01] <Amaranth> Seveas: Not very good QA, but better than none.
[01:02] <deviant> bob2: nop. i ave to open each image one by one ...
[01:02] <Seveas> Amaranth, i don't call that QA
[01:02] <bob2> deviant: gthumb is ok
[01:02] <bob2> so's muine
[01:02] <bob2> Seveas: it's a problem with a few things around ubuntu, the people who want it (and provide it) aren't the most technically skilled people around
[01:02] <egg|QCpass> rate gthumb and gqview
[01:02] <bob2> the forums have the same issue
[01:02] <Amaranth> muine isn't an image viewer
[01:03] <Seveas> bob2, indeed, the forum contains lots of crap. I hope the docteam will be able to provide a decent set of documents for breezy
[01:03] <bob2> yeah, me too
[01:03] <Harnak> If I had to choose between alsa and OSS which should I choose?  I'm tired of the sound hassles and I just want it to play the sound from multiple apps at once. Any suggestions?
[01:04] <Amaranth> Seveas: But the forums are also where Smeg and gtkwiki have their main discussion area, so it's not all bad.
[01:04] <deviant> Harnak: i have the same issue myself :(
[01:04] <Seveas> which reminds me, i promised froud to look into wiki2docbook translation, gotta go do some preliminary things
[01:04] <bob2> I more mean that it ends up being the "not so skilled" people helping other not so skilled people, so you get silly things happening, since the skilled people don't use baclkports or forum
[01:04] <bob2> s
[01:04] <novaflare> how do i get this to work fglrx-control?
[01:04] <Amaranth> bob2: I use the forums. :/
[01:04] <Seveas> Amaranth, smeg s**s too
[01:04] <bob2> Harnak: alsa
[01:04] <Harnak> deviant: it's annoying.. just flat out annoying :(
[01:04] <bob2> Amaranth: I'm generalising :)
[01:04] <Amaranth> Seveas: Die.
[01:04] <Seveas> :)
[01:04] <Amaranth> Seveas: Have you tried 0.6.1?
[01:04] <deviant> Harnak: yup, i know.
[01:04] <novaflare> nvm
[01:04] <Harnak> bob2: Thanks!
[01:04] <Seveas> just kidding there, i like smeg
[01:05] <Harnak> brb
[01:05] <bob2> Harnak: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[01:05] <Harnak> bob2: reading that now.. Thanks
[01:05] <count0nz> i think it will get better U is quite new realy its still growing
[01:05] <bob2> Harnak: if you do that, then you can have as many alsa-using programs running at once as you like
[01:06] <Harnak> bob2: do most modern apps use alsa?
[01:06] <bob2> Harnak: most can, if they don't by default
[01:06] <desplesda> oss has been deprecated
[01:06] <desplesda> so yes, most will use alsa
[01:06] <froud> anyone got a howto on installing a senao 802.11g pcmcia adapter on hoary
[01:06] <desplesda> although the really good ones will use gstreamer, so you have a choice :)
[01:06] <Harnak> Fantastic..  Now I just need to remove it from my install heh..
[01:06] <bob2> hehe
[01:06] <deviant> bob2: how do i install ALSA drivers for a Realtek ALC665 sound card?
[01:07] <bob2> deviant: if it has alsa drivers, they should run by default
[01:07] <deviant> bob2: right now it`s using OSS
[01:07] <bob2> deviant: ok
[01:08] <Amaranth> Seveas: Try 0.6.1, I command you. :)
[01:08] <deviant> so ...?
[01:08] <Seveas> Amaranth, i am lazy, direct url to .deb please :)
[01:08] <bob2> deviant: so, go find out if it has alsa drivers at all, to start with
[01:08] <bob2> deviant: www.alsa-project.org
[01:08] <deviant> how do i do that ?
[01:09] <deviant> oh ..
[01:09] <deviant> :P
[01:10] <jan__> name jankungen
[01:10] <jan__> hi there
[01:10] <deviant> damn. they don`t have Realtek :(
[01:10] <deviant> not a singe cipset
[01:10] <bob2> yes they do
[01:10] <novaflare> brb
[01:10] <tallia2> hey... i've moved my hd from a laptop to another one, i had some problem... i've solved some about X-server with a reconfiguration using a apt-reconfigure over a special package but now i have a problem with the audio HW... how i can start an automatic configuration like what i've seen once i've installed ubuntu the first time!??! tnx kisses andrea
[01:11] <Treenaks> tallia2: audio hardware should be detected automagically.
[01:11] <bob2> tallia2: it should detect the new sound card on boot
[01:11] <bob2> tallia2: what isn't working?
[01:11] <tallia2> nope.. once kde starts it tells me that it'll redirect audio on the null device
[01:12] <bob2> tallia2: can you put the output of "lspci" and "dmesg" in #flood or on a website?
[01:13] <tallia2> .......mhhh... i don't think so.. my old laptop hasn't the autoswitching of the rj45 connection ...and i can't connect it to the server...
[01:13] <bob2> deviant: what does lspci say about the card?
[01:13] <tallia2> lspci!?
[01:13] <tallia2> what's that!?
[01:13] <deviant> bob2: in Sound Card Manufacture List, there is no realtek
[01:13] <Chambers`> what's the command to open the terminal?
[01:13] <deviant> bob2: Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
[01:13] <tallia2> i know that dmesg contains the last logs from kernel
[01:14] <deviant> bob2: but the cipset is Realtek
[01:14] <bob2> Chambers`: right click on the background and choose "terminal"
[01:14] <bob2> deviant: in what sense is it realtek when lspci says it is from nvidia?
[01:15] <Chambers`> bob2, i'm trying to set a command line to open the terminal and then run a command, i need to know the command to open the terminal though
[01:15] <deviant> bob2: if i open my chasis and look on the mother board PCB, there`a realtek cip for the sound card
[01:15] <tallia2> .....boot time... :)
[01:15] <bob2> deviant: ignore that
[01:15] <deviant> bob2: and in windows it works with realtek drivers
[01:16] <tallia2> bob2: i've a realtek audio hw on my last laptop... you should't have problems!!
[01:16] <bob2> deviant: load snd-intel8x0.
[01:16] <bob2> tallia2: sorry, that's not nearly enough detail
[01:16] <jan__> anyone got problems with ixus 30 and hoary that does not download images?
[01:16] <bob2> tallia2: can you type out what "lspci | grep Multim" prints out?
[01:17] <tallia2> search for ubuntu acer travelmate 800 on google.. there you can find more information..
[01:17] <Chambers`> anyone know the command line to open terminal?
[01:17] <bob2> Chambers`: xterm
[01:17] <tallia2> ok .. booted..
[01:17] <bob2> but that may not work, and you haven't old us enough details to explain why
[01:18] <tallia2> ok.. i've got it (lspci)
[01:18] <Chambers`> found it, gnome-terminal, thanks guys
[01:18] <tallia2> it tells me lots of thing.. but about the audio hw.. :
[01:18] <bob2> Chambers`: so, in future, if that's what you want, you should say "How do I start the gnome terminal?"
[01:18] <tallia2> Multimedia audio controller, via technologies inv ..... ac97 audio controller rev40
[01:19] <bob2> ok
[01:19] <bob2> in future, you need to show us the whole thing, not just some parts of it
[01:19] <tallia2> you're speaking to me bob?!
[01:20] <tallia2> with me* .. :)
[01:20] <bob2> tallia2: yes
[01:20] <bob2> tallia2: try typing "sudo modprobe snd-via82xx", then log out of kde and back in again
[01:20] <tallia2> i can't transcribe all from my laptop to this program that's on another pc :)
[01:20] <deviant> bob2: aaa, how do i load snd-intel8x0 ?
[01:21] <tallia2> sone...  but nothing happens..
[01:21] <bob2> deviant: sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0
[01:21] <deviant> aha
[01:21] <deviant> ok, done
[01:21] <deviant> now what ?
[01:21] <bob2> now nothing
[01:22] <bob2> deviant: look at dmesg and see if it loaded ok
[01:22] <novaflare> blast
[01:22] <novaflare> how do i force gdm to start or restart?
[01:22] <bob2> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[01:23] <novaflare> i screwed up and am back at command line only
[01:23] <tallia2> my dmsg tells me something about PCI..
[01:23] <tallia2> IRQ and onther details
[01:23] <bob2> tallia2: so, you logged out and back in again?
[01:24] <novaflare> cool
[01:24] <deviant> bob2: they are loaded, but my mixer is still using OSS :(
[01:24] <novaflare> seems my only error is no screens found
[01:24] <bob2> deviant: er, you need to unload oss first
[01:24] <Amaranth> novaflare: You're on breezy, right?
[01:24] <tallia2> i'm restarting
[01:24] <bob2> tallia2: don't reboot
[01:25] <Amaranth> bob2: hmm, i've never seen that command. i always just do /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[01:25] <Amaranth> bob2: what's the difference?
[01:25] <tallia2> just done with ... shutdown -f now
[01:25] <bob2> Amaranth: nothing with sysvinit, but invoke-rc.d is supposed to work if you use a different init system
[01:25] <bob2> Amaranth: plus it's shorter
[01:25] <bob2> tallia2: er, no
[01:25] <Amaranth> tallia2: you have to do all that over again then
[01:26] <bob2> tallia2: that won't help at all.  boot and do all I said again, and DONT turn it off.
[01:26] <tallia2> why!?
[01:26] <tallia2> oookk
[01:26] <Amaranth> Seveas: are you on hoary or breezy?
[01:27] <tallia2> ok i've restarted only the kde
[01:27] <we2by> I forgot  my password or Ubuntu is not accepting my password
[01:28] <Choubaka> where is it not accepting it?
[01:28] <Choubaka> also, checked if caps lock is on? :P
[01:28] <tallia2> done...
[01:28] <we2by> I am trying in different places
[01:28] <we2by> none worked
[01:29] <bob2> we2by: reboot, and tap escape during boot unti lyou get to the grub menu
[01:29] <bob2> we2by: then choose recovery or rescue or whatever it is and hit enter
[01:29] <bob2> we2by: then when you get a root shell, type "passwd yourusername", obviously inserting your actual username
[01:30] <tallia2> bob2: what now!?
[01:30] <bob2> tallia2: so, you rebooted, and then logged in and ran "sudo modprobe ..."?
[01:30] <ivoks> ah... macosx
[01:30] <Seveas> Amaranth, hoary
[01:31] <tallia2> yep.. and after i've ran sudo modprobe i've logoff kde and logon again
[01:31] <Amaranth> Seveas: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg
[01:31] <Amaranth> Seveas: just run that script
[01:31] <bob2> tallia2: does sound work now?
[01:31] <tallia2> nope
[01:31] <Seveas> Amaranth, i never run untrusted scripts...
[01:31] <Amaranth> ...
[01:31] <Amaranth> you can see what it does
[01:31] <Amaranth> it's simple wget, dpkg, and rm
[01:32] <Seveas> i see, why doesn't it use standard python_xdg etc?
[01:32] <tallia2> i've just tried.. the levels were low, but i've ... pump up the volume.. and nothing happens.. :(
[01:32] <Amaranth> Seveas: Because the one in hoary sucks.
[01:32] <Seveas> and eek! --force-all
[01:32] <Amaranth> Seveas: It's author confirms it sucks. :)
[01:33] <deviant> bob2: when i try to unload the oss modules, i get: FATAL: Module snd_mixer_oss is in use.
[01:33] <Amaranth> Seveas: Yeah, that's probably not good.
[01:33] <Seveas> Amaranth, ah :)
[01:33] <Harnak> I've got a usb headset that I just plugged into my usb port. How do I change the sound system to now use this headset instead of teh onboard speakers?
[01:33] <Amaranth> Seveas: But people always had problems with it, that fixed it. :)
[01:33] <Amaranth> Seveas: You can just wget the files yourself and install them yourself
[01:33] <bob2> deviant: yes, indeed
[01:33] <bob2> Harnak: you can't, easily
[01:34] <bob2> deviant: you'll need to get rid of everything using sound first, including the mixer applet on your panel
[01:34] <Amaranth> Seveas: Once this version gets into hoary backports and breezy universe I'm ditching the script.
[01:35] <Seveas> no need for --force-all :)
[01:35] <tallia2> bob2: so there's nothing to do!?
[01:35] <tallia2> opss.. isn't there nothing to do!?
[01:36] <deviant> bob2: ok, i`ve unloaded all oss modules, i`ve installed intel8x0. now what ?
[01:36] <Seveas> Traceback (most recent call last):
[01:36] <Seveas>   File "/usr/bin/smeg", line 452, in on_preferences_activate
[01:36] <Seveas>     self.w('prefcustomtheme').set_group(None)
[01:36] <Seveas> TypeError: GtkRadioButton.set_group() argument 1 must be gtk.RadioButton, not None
[01:36] <bob2> deviant: er, snd-intall8x0
[01:36] <Seveas> Amaranth, error in the preferences dialog :)
[01:36] <bob2> tallia2: I don't know, and it's very very hard to help you if you can't show us the output of things
[01:36] <Amaranth> Seveas: So... the hoary pygtk sucks too
[01:37] <deviant> bob2: yes. modprobe snd-intel8x0
[01:37] <Seveas> lol :)
[01:37] <Amaranth> Seveas: Solution? Don't use the preferences dialog.
[01:37] <dcraven> Amaranth: heh
[01:37] <tallia2> mhh.. ok..  but i don't know if the network on this laptop works.. i've to try... maybe i'll be back in a while
[01:37] <Seveas> Amaranth, why did you include it then?
[01:37] <Amaranth> It doesn't actually do anything if you're on GNOME
[01:37] <bob2> Amaranth: why don't you catch that exception?
[01:37] <bob2> tallia2: good luck
[01:37] <Amaranth> bob2: I need that to work.
[01:37] <tallia2> tnx
[01:37] <bob2> deviant: now you have also, enjoy.
[01:37] <Seveas> more errors... line 452 also throws an exception
[01:38] <deviant> bob2: yeah. but the soud is not working :(
[01:38] <Amaranth> Seveas: I need details
[01:38] <novaflare> hmm
[01:38] <Seveas> Amaranth, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/288996
[01:38] <novaflare> cant get it to work :\
[01:38] <bob2> deviant: in what way? run something like alsaplayer and see.
[01:39] <deviant> i try to play some mp3 with beep media player
[01:39] <deviant> and there`s no sound
[01:39] <Amaranth> Seveas: Again the solution is to not use the preferences dialog.
[01:39] <bob2> deviant: ignore beep
[01:39] <bob2> deviant: unless you configured it to use ALSA
[01:39] <Amaranth> Seveas: The first error caused the second one, since the group isn't being cleared.
[01:40] <Seveas> Amaranth, then don't include it :)
[01:40] <tsw> any idea why network settings wont set wlan encryption key even? I have to force it by hand with iwconfig
[01:40] <deviant> bob2: i did set output plugin to ALSA
[01:40] <Amaranth> Seveas: 0.7 won't support hoary at all so I won't have to work about it. :)
[01:40] <Seveas> hehe
[01:40] <bob2> deviant: and it's silent?
[01:40] <deviant> yup
[01:40] <deviant> same mplayer
[01:41] <bob2> deviant: run alsamixer and unmute it
[01:41] <Amaranth> I'm going on about a month between releases, I figure breezy will be usable in a month. Plus, 0.6 will still be usable so bleh. :)
[01:41] <deviant> bob2: lsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument
[01:42] <bob2> deviant: how did you force OSS to begin with, anyway?
[01:42] <deviant> bob2: modprobe -r
[01:42] <tallia2> bob2: same problem with the network... the device isn't detected
[01:42] <dcraven> Amaranth: What are you writing?
[01:42] <Amaranth> dcraven: smeg
[01:42] <tallia2> there's a way to fix it too!?
[01:43] <bob2> tallia2: how old is the laptop?
[01:43] <tallia2> acer aspire1300
[01:43] <tallia2> a couple of years
[01:43] <bob2> deviant: you unloaded this alsa module to begin with?
[01:43] <bob2> so, from 2003?
[01:43] <tallia2> yeep
[01:44] <kzm> ahem
[01:44] <deviant> bob2: i`ve installed alsa, then removed oss
[01:44] <bob2> deviant: bleh
[01:44] <kzm> anybody run 5.04 with a prism54 card?
[01:44] <bob2> deviant: ubuntu loads alsa mouldes by default.  how did you change that originally?
[01:45] <deviant> bob2: don`t know. a fried made it to wirk with oss
[01:45] <we2by> how do I start smb service?
[01:46] <oz__> anybody have gnome freeze when using firefox under hoary with nvidia drivers?
[01:46] <tallia2> bob2: so!? i've to trash it?!
[01:47] <oz__> It seems to be a random lock up but I can get to the machine with ssh and restart gdm.
[01:47] <bob2> tallia2: er? me not answering is not the same as me saying "yes, you should throw your laptop in the bin."
[01:47] <kzm> oz__, lock solid?  I had only temp freezes related to power management (powernowd)
[01:48] <tallia2> :) ..
[01:49] <deviant> bob2: ok, it works. i`ve had to remove my /etc/asound.conf
[01:50] <oz__> kzm: yep, I've left it run for a half hour to see if it would come back.. no luck
[01:51] <oz__> is there any way of working out what is broken?
[01:51] <deviant> bob2: and the cipset was realtek afterall: Chip: Realtek ALC655 rev 0
[01:53] <tsw> hmm interesting while playing mp3 with xmms it seems to play about half of the speed, but when I take ssh connection to some server and start to use the connection playing gets almost perfect..
[01:55] <tsw> as long as my network is busy xmms plays correctly, but as soon as network activity stops mp3 starts to slow down
[01:56] <m4lc0m> hi, anyone knows how can i configure a VPN connnection with hoary?
[01:57] <bob2> you need to find out what sort of vpn connection it is
[01:57] <bob2> there are > half a dozen, each incompatible
[01:58] <tallia2> siii!! audio is ok
[01:58] <m4lc0m> ? the vpn i configure with the wizard on Windows, is the same, i'm in a campus and they use VPN for internet access, so now with ubuntu i'm not able to go on internet
[01:58] <deviant> bob2: ok, the sound works. but i still can`t use mplayer and another media player togeder ..
[01:58] <tallia2> i've found something at this page http://www.nervous.it/hw/linux_aspire1300xv.html#network
[01:58] <tallia2> but in this page i can't understand a thing..
[01:58] <bob2> m4lc0m: so, when you ask for help, say you're using "MS's vpn" or something
[01:58] <tallia2> about the network configuration...
[01:58] <bob2> deviant: did you configure dmix?
[01:59] <bob2> tallia2: go to the system -> administration -> network menu
[01:59] <tallia2> where's the kernel configuration menu!?
[01:59] <deviant> bob2: i don`t have dmix
[01:59] <tallia2> nothing is shown in the device list bob2
[01:59] <tallia2> in the network menu :)
[01:59] <bob2> deviant: then you need to set it up
[02:00] <bob2> tallia2: you don't need to configure your kernel
[02:00] <tallia2> ok
[02:00] <bob2> deviant: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[02:00] <deviant> aha
[02:00] <tallia2> what should i do!?
[02:01] <bob2> tallia2: what does "lsmod | grep via-rhine" print out?
[02:02] <cliebow> any of you guys help an ubntu newb? can't seem to ocerwrite /etc/resolv.conf..as root..qith 777 perms annd chatr -i
[02:02] <tallia2> ok.. nothing..!!
[02:03] <bob2> tallia2: run "sudo modprobe via-rhine", then try the lsmod command again
[02:03] <tallia2> k
[02:03] <bob2> cliebow: does "dmesg" show disk errors?
[02:04] <cliebow> lemme look..just coming up
[02:04] <tallia2> bob2: nothing again
[02:05] <bob2> tallia2: ok
[02:05] <tallia2> for the audio problem.. i've to add the audio via module to the module load file!?
[02:05] <tallia2> now it functions.. but i don't know i'll reboot what ....
[02:05] <bob2> tallia2: add the name of the module to /etc/modules on it's own line
[02:06] <cliebow> bob2: i dont see anything to bother in dmesg..still looking
[02:07] <m4lc0m> SO, anyone knows how to configure an MS VPN connection on ubuntu
[02:07] <m4lc0m> ?
[02:07] <bob2> m4lc0m: it's annoying and fiddly, unfortunately
[02:07] <tallia2> snd_via82xx ??
[02:08] <cliebow> bob2: i see a couple hotplug errors..that is all
[02:08] <bob2> tallia2: snd-via82xx, yeah
[02:08] <bob2> cliebow: that's weird then.  what does "lsattr /etc/resolv.conf" say?
[02:08] <tallia2> ah.. the via_rhine module is present in the list now!!!
[02:08] <bob2> cliebow: and are you sure the problem isn't that it's being overwritten?
[02:08] <Seveas> bob2, resolv.conf is constantly being overwritten by dhclient3 (if that applies here)
[02:08] <tallia2> it wasn't with the hyper...
[02:08] <tallia2> :)
[02:08] <bob2> Seveas: right
[02:09] <cliebow> bob2:............  rssolv.conf
[02:09] <bob2> cliebow: 22:08:32 @         bob2 | cliebow: and are you sure the problem isn't that it's being overwritten?
[02:09] <Seveas> i am just jumping in here, but hat is cliebows problem?
[02:09] <Harnak> bob2: do you know off hand where I can find the info to change the mixers that are used for output so that when I plug in my headset I can now listen to music through it rather than the speakers?
[02:10] <bob2> that's what I'm trying to find out
[02:10] <Seveas> ah :)
[02:10] <bob2> Harnak: you can't, easily
[02:10] <tallia2> bob2: the network module is in lsmod.. what i've to do now!?
[02:10] <Seveas> cliebow, if you are using dhcp but want to set the name servers manually, screem 'AII!' and i'll help you :)
[02:10] <bob2> tallia2: does it show up in the network config thing?
[02:10] <cliebow> bob2: well i have tried vi..and used network-admin..neither sticks
[02:10] <Harnak> bob2: thanks for your help
[02:11] <cliebow> bob2: you mean from dhcp?
[02:11] <bob2> cliebow: right, so the problem is that it gets chamged back by dhcp then
[02:11] <bob2> m4lc0m: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/
[02:11] <bob2> m4lc0m: the debian docs should work on ubuntu
[02:11] <bob2> m4lc0m: ignore the kernel bits, that's already been done for you
[02:12] <Seveas> cliebow, if you use dhcp you cannot effectively overwrite /etc/resolv.conf
[02:12] <Seveas> you need to get dhclient3 to write it correctly (not too hard)
[02:12] <cliebow> bob2: i'llcheclk it our..the other prob is apt-get..cant seem to get libwww-perl or an update
[02:12] <BoomShaka> hi, umm im extremely noob, and im assuming most "windows products" wont work on ubuntu? such as macromedia and the game warcraft3?
[02:13] <bob2> cliebow: if you want to override some of the things dhcp server tells you, edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
[02:13] <BoomShaka> (among others)
[02:13] <Seveas> cliebow, are you using non-official repositories lick marillat or backports?
[02:13] <bob2> BoomShaka: right
[02:13] <tallia2> it's present but it's disabilitated
[02:13] <Seveas> BoomShaka, there is flash for linux
[02:13] <BoomShaka> ahh, cool
[02:13] <Seveas> wc3 might work ith wine or cedega
[02:13] <BoomShaka> wine or cedega?
[02:13] <cliebow> Seveas: jus t the default
[02:13] <bob2> tallia2: cool, good start.  now try "ifconfig eth0", does it print a bunch of stuff?
[02:13] <BoomShaka> other OS's ?
[02:13] <count0nz> BoomShaka, War3 yes i belive works in wine/cldega
[02:13] <Seveas> BoomShaka, no, see www.winehq.org (or .com)
[02:14] <bob2> BoomShaka: wine and cedega are tools to let you run windows programs on linux
[02:14] <Seveas> cedega is a commercial version of wine
[02:14] <BoomShaka> cool, thanks
[02:14] <bob2> BoomShaka: wine is free, cedega costs money but can play more games successfully
[02:14] <Seveas> cliebow, and what is the exact error (paste it on ubuntu.pastebin.com please)
[02:14] <cliebow> what should i use for a repositroy?
[02:14] <tallia2> yep--- bunch of studds...
[02:14] <deviant> bob2:  in which dir i have to create .asoundrc ?
[02:14] <bob2> deviant: ~/
[02:14] <bob2> tallia2: cool!
[02:15] <bob2> tallia2: so, now the kernel knows about your card
[02:15] <tallia2> perfect..
[02:15] <bob2> tallia2: you just need to configure the ip address and stuff, and you're done
[02:15] <bob2> tallia2: should it be using dhcp or do you want to set them statically?
[02:15] <tallia2> in the control panel i've tried to enable the interface.. but as soon as i enable it shutdown..
[02:15] <tallia2> s
[02:15] <tallia2> or better it disables...
[02:16] <bitar> hey all...
[02:16] <bitar> plz i'm trying to install linux but the boot freezes up @ " running /sbin/loader "
[02:16] <yay> hi people out there :) is there any tar.gz on the web containing all the kde files so that i can download 'em here and bring 'em home for my machine that is not connected to internet, so that i can make ubuntu equal to kubuntu?
[02:17] <r0d> Seveas, what do you think works better wine or cedega?
[02:17] <Seveas> yay, if you are running another ubuntu machine, you can make one yourself
[02:17] <Seveas> r0d, no opinion, i use neither
[02:17] <norm_> when installing some packages with apt i'm told to insert the cdrom to let apt install from there - how do i get it to stop doing that and look for the packages online? :)
[02:18] <rommer> norm_: take the cd rom entry out of /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:18] <pd_> norm_, remove the line for cd from /etc/apt/sources.lst
[02:18] <bob2> norm_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynaptocHowto
[02:18] <yay> seveas, no (shame on me) i'm on windoz right now
[02:18] <Seveas> norm_, system->administration->synaptic package manager
[02:18] <tallia2> bob2: it's still locked ... i can't enable it!
[02:18] <Seveas> norm_, go to settings-> repositories
[02:18] <Seveas> norm_, and disable the CD as repository
[02:18] <bitar> anyone know a solution?
[02:18] <Riddell> yay: you could investigate apt-zip
[02:18] <bob2> tallia2: I've never used the kde or gnome tools, sorry
[02:19] <bob2> bitar: are you sure that's what it says?
[02:19] <tallia2> it's because it can be enable only when the cable is plugged in!?
[02:19] <cliebow> Seveas: i pasted to pastebin..but see no record of it here
[02:19] <Seveas> yay, you could try downloading the kubuntu cd...
[02:19] <Harnak> ugh.. sound in linux sucks.. it's too complicated .. I'm of to bed..
[02:19] <norm_> thanks guys :)
[02:19] <bitar> bob2, it doesn't say anything... it justs freezes @   "running /sbin/loader"
[02:19] <Seveas> cliebow, looks like the US archive gives errors again
[02:19] <yay> my connexion is at 5kb/s
[02:19] <_kevin> what program would i use to check sfv to see if a file is corrupted or not
[02:19] <tallia2> i'll try to reboot.. and connect the network at boot time..
[02:20] <tallia2> ..... :P
[02:20] <Seveas> yay, you don't ant to download all of kde too then
[02:20] <cliebow> Seveas..should i put another source in sources.list
[02:20] <yay> so you imagine :'(
[02:20] <Seveas> the kubuntu cd contains exactly the same
[02:20] <Seveas> cliebow, in a terminal type: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:20] <cliebow> ok
[02:20] <Seveas> cliebow, and change all occurences of us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com
[02:21] <cliebow> cool
[02:21] <Seveas> then save the file
[02:21] <Seveas> and retry
[02:21] <yay> seveas, at least the core
[02:21] <deviant> bob2: # cat ~/.asoundrc:
[02:21] <deviant> pcm.dsp0 {
[02:21] <deviant>     type plug
[02:21] <deviant>     slave.pcm " hw:0"
[02:21] <deviant> }
[02:21] <yay> then i'll install the rest later
[02:21] <deviant> # or:
[02:21] <deviant> # pcm.dsp0 pcm.default
[02:21] <deviant> # if "default" hasn't been redefined
[02:21] <deviant> ctl.mixer0 {
[02:21] <deviant>     type hw
[02:21] <deviant>     card 0
[02:21] <deviant> }
[02:21] <deviant> damn :(
[02:21] <Seveas> deviant, DO NOT paste in here!
[02:21] <deviant> rong paste
[02:21] <bob2> deviant: seriously dude
[02:21] <Seveas> yay, KDE core alone is 50+ MB
[02:21] <deviant> bob2: I know, I know
[02:22] <deviant> rong window.
[02:22] <deviant> sorry everyone
[02:22] <bob2> deviant: I don't know which it should be, I haven't setup dmix on my laptop yet
[02:22] <Seveas> kubuntu-desktop would be 109 MB when you have ubuntu-desktop already
[02:22] <novaflare> hmm i seem to have lost some of my icons
[02:23] <yay> is there a tar.gz of  kubuntu-desktop ? somewehere on the web?
[02:23] <deviant> anyone here who can help me to set up dmix ??
[02:23] <Seveas> yay, if you want i can create one of kde-core or kubuntu-desktop
[02:23] <bob2> deviant: dude
[02:24] <bob2> deviant: you read the howto? what didn't work?
[02:24] <NaWer> hi all
[02:24] <Seveas> yay, which one do you want?
[02:24] <yay> hi :)
[02:24] <yay> the base stuff, later i can build from sources if i need
[02:24] <NaWer> i've got a problem with smeg 0.6.1
[02:25] <deviant> bob2: this: Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) when i used aoss mpg12
[02:25] <bob2> deviant: is it in use?
[02:25] <bob2> deviant: have you killed esd/beep/etc?
[02:25] <deviant> bob2: i shoud really get you a beer. you helped me so much today :)
[02:26] <NaWer> a problem like this : http://img158.echo.cx/my.php?image=capture5ht.png
[02:26] <r0d> anyone here use to watch techtv?
[02:26] <chrille> Ngon som vet var jag tankar wine till ubuntu!
[02:26] <Tallia1> bob2: you're the best.. !! i've rebooted and the network works!!!
[02:26] <deviant> bob2:  well, i have no esd or beep in use . other aps that might use it .. i don`t know
[02:27] <Tallia1> but tell me a thing ........... why!?! i haven't inserted the module in /etc/modules
[02:27] <bob2> deviant: fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm*
[02:27] <bob2> deviant: if you're ever in .eu ;p
[02:27] <yay> Seveas, i'll be really gratefull!!
[02:27] <bob2> Tallia1: yay, congrats!
[02:27] <bob2> er, .au
[02:27] <Tallia1> could you tell me why plz..!! :)
[02:28] <chrille> Kan ni inte prata svenska eller?
[02:28] <Tallia1> i 've add only the sound module.. but now the net works perfectly!!
[02:28] <bob2> Tallia1: that is odd
[02:28] <poningru> seveas: dude that bug will be fixed soon
[02:28] <Tallia1> odd?
[02:28] <Zambba> How can I fix my GRUB?
[02:28] <poningru> seems dave had to go to sleep
[02:28] <deviant> bob2:  no aps runing
[02:28] <hhurtta> chrille: this is english chanel, people here dont speak swedish :)
[02:28] <bob2> Zambba: you need to tell us how it's broken, first
[02:29] <deviant> bob2: .eu ? you mean europe ?
[02:29] <Zambba> Today it just restored its default settings and lost Windows from menu
[02:29] <bob2> deviant: I meant .au
[02:29] <poningru> so he will fix it later or someone else will fix it
[02:29] <poningru> so sorry for the delay
[02:29] <deviant> bob2: wish i was. i`m in .ro right now :P
[02:29] <chrille> Wher kan I find wine and download it!
[02:29] <poningru> anyway
[02:29] <chrille> For ubuntu
[02:29] <linukso> chrille: try #ubuntu-se
[02:29] <Tallia1> KDE question: i've just moved to kubuntu... there's a kde version of the gnome applet that shows the network activity usina an icon with 2 monitors like in windows!?
[02:29] <yay> Seveas...
[02:29] <bob2> chrille: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, it's in the universe repository
[02:29] <Tallia1> bob2: odd?!?
[02:30] <bob2> Tallia1: I don't know why it started working
[02:30] <Tallia1> haha !! great!! tnx again..
[02:30] <wolverian> Tallia1: why are you shouting? :) it's remarkably useless on IRC.
[02:30] <bob2> deviant: ok, I take that back, I somehow have dmix working
[02:30] <turboliv> hello
[02:30] <Tallia1> i0m not shouting..
[02:30] <bob2> deviant: but I have no memory of setting it up
[02:30] <turboliv> any french here ?
[02:31] <bob2> turboliv: try #ubuntu-tr
[02:31] <bob2> er, fr
[02:31] <wolverian> Tallia1: I was referring to the exclamation marks.
[02:31] <turboliv> i'm looking after a soft for monitoting
[02:31] <Zambba> How can I restore my GRUB? Today it just restored some odd configuration and lost Windows from menu
[02:31] <deviant> bob2: lol. u should take it easy with that booze :P
[02:31] <cliebow> Seveas: still get errors..gonna pastebin the error ok?
[02:31] <Riddell> Tallia1: some people like knemo, I like knetload (and kcpuload)
[02:31] <Tallia1> ahh... ops sorry..
[02:31] <bob2> Zambba: you need to tell us *Exactly* what you did
[02:31] <Tallia1> tnx Riddell
[02:31] <bob2> Zambba: what does "restored some odd configuration" mean?
[02:32] <Zambba> bob2: I haven't have done anything :P
[02:32] <deviant> bob2: so, any sugerstion how i could make my dmix work ? (hope i`m not TOO much of a stress for you)
[02:32] <Zambba> When I booted my PC, the menu had just "Ubuntu, Ubuntu (recovery) and Memtest"
[02:32] <turboliv> someone know about a complete system monitoring ?
[02:32] <beginner> hello
[02:33] <Zambba> It used to have "WinXP, Linux, Linux (recorvery) and Memtest" (I have changed Ubuntu's -> Linux's
[02:33] <screamz> does anyone have an idea why my grub menu gets overwritten each time there s a new kernel image installed, and how I can prevent this from happening
[02:33] <beginner> i want to copy paste from a pdf coc
[02:33] <bob2> deviant: this is weird
[02:33] <beginner> how?
[02:33] <screamz> lol Zambba I have the same problem
[02:33] <bob2> deviant: all I seem to have are libao.conf files saying to use alsa09
[02:33] <bob2> beginner: select the rectangle of text you want in xpdf or gpdf, and paste it with a middle click in another program
[02:33] <beginner> is it posible to copy paste from a pdf doc?
[02:34] <Zambba> oh now I know why. I did "apt-get update" and it updated my kernel-image too :D
[02:34] <deviant> bob2: i don`t have libao. and i can`t apt-get install -it either ...
[02:34] <beginner> i dont have midle button
[02:34] <bob2> deviant: you have it already, it's fine
[02:34] <bob2> beginner: then both buttons together
[02:34] <IIIEars> Thank You for help earlier with Nvidia xserver - :)
[02:34] <bob2> deviant: oh, I'm dumb, don't mind me
[02:35] <bob2> let me try to set it up
[02:35] <deviant> bob2: i`ve got to nr 4 with the dmix how-to. there i`m all stuck :(
[02:35] <screamz> Zambba: I always have that problem, but I do overwrite the fresh menu with my backed up menu after the update before I reboot now
[02:36] <beginner> bob2 i just want to copy paste a text from there
[02:36] <beginner> can i?
[02:36] <IIIEars> screamz - What file do you back up?
[02:36] <screamz> but still I don t see why it doesn t , leave the menu as it is since the filename of the image hasn t change, and doesn t append itself if it s a new filename
[02:36] <Tallia1> Riddell: i've installed knemo
[02:36] <Tallia1> but where i can start it?!
[02:36] <screamz>  grub/menu.lst
[02:36] <bob2> beginner: yes, I just told you how
[02:36] <IIIEars> Great! - :)
[02:37] <Riddell> Tallia1: not sure, I've never used it, maybe on alt-f2  or maybe through the kicker app applet menu atrocity
[02:37] <Zambba> But what do I need to add to grub/menu.lst to add Windows?
[02:37] <screamz> but I would like to know if there is a configuration thingy so I can let the kernel image install thingy understand it doesn t have to overwrite my grub menu
[02:37] <m4lc0m> bob2: the thing is that i cannot use command as "apt get" or such an equivalent because my linux is not allowd to go on internet
[02:37] <screamz> Zambba: the lines are commented somewhere in the file itself
[02:38] <m4lc0m> I already know PPTP but when i was trying to configure it i met a lot of problem because it's not the ubuntu version but the common tar.gz
[02:38] <bob2> m4lc0m: isn't pptp-linux on the CD?
[02:38] <deviant> bob2: any luck ?
[02:39] <Tallia1> Riddell: in the service manager of kde control panel
[02:39] <Tallia1> :) tnz
[02:39] <m4lc0m> on the cd i have it'is not but if is on the new version (5.04) i can burn it
[02:40] <bob2> deviant: hm, no
[02:41] <deviant> hehe
[02:41] <beginner> got it bob2
[02:41] <beginner> thanks
[02:42] <bob2> deviant: so, when I run two copies of aplay, one waits for the other to finish, then starts
[02:42] <cliebow> Seveas: bzip2 data integrity error when uncompressing
[02:43] <NaWer> i need help for smeg 0.6.1 on hoary, nobody ?
[02:43] <deviant> bob2: something like that, yes
[02:43] <bob2> NaWer: Amaranth is the author
[02:43] <bob2> deviant: but aplay -D dmix or whatever plays at the same time?
[02:43] <NaWer> i know, he seems to be away
[02:43] <deviant> bob2: nop. i just hear some strage noise
[02:44] <deviant> *strange
[02:44] <bob2> deviant: ok, what card do you have?
[02:44] <bob2> oh, wait, we already did this
[02:44] <deviant> lol
[02:44] <deviant> bob2: yes. onboard Nvidia with realtek cipset
[02:44] <bob2> so, we both have shitty embedded sound
[02:45] <Amaranth> NaWer: Don't open the preferences dialog, hoary's pygtk sucks.
[02:45] <Amaranth> NaWer: Unless you're a KDE user you don't need it anyway.
[02:46] <bob2> seriously, it's a bug if your code crashes on that, tho
[02:46] <bob2> catch it or Depend on breezy's pygtk
[02:47] <NaWer> Amaranth: the pref dialog seems to load itself when i run smeg
[02:47] <Amaranth> err
[02:47] <Amaranth> bob2: how can i catch it? i _need_ that to happen
[02:48] <bob2> Amaranth: how come?
[02:48] <Amaranth> because it's useful to have radio buttons grouped so you can't select them all
[02:48] <Amaranth> although i may have figured out another way to set them up
[02:48] <bob2> eh?
[02:48] <NaWer> like this : http://img158.echo.cx/my.php?image=capture5ht.png (a capture is better cause of my bad english :( )
[02:48] <bob2> why doesn't your program catch the exception instead of letting it crash it?
[02:49] <Amaranth> it doesn't crash it
[02:49] <Amaranth> pygtk apps only crash if pygtk segfaults
[02:49] <Amaranth> it just dumps a traceback and the preferences dialog doesn't close
[02:49] <Amaranth> also, i didn't know hoary's pygtk sucked when i released it, i'm on breezy
[02:50] <bob2> ok
[02:50] <NaWer> but smeg work - but with a empty pref dialogue at the top of all windows
[02:50] <bob2> I like the way gentoo copied the other howto without noting where it came from
[02:50] <Amaranth> NaWer: Now _that_ is odd.
[02:51] <Amaranth> NaWer: Run smeg from a terminal, see if it outputs anything.
[02:51] <Amaranth> NaWer: Also, does this stick on the screen like that after you've tried to open the preferences dialog or is it always like that?
[02:51] <screamz> possibly not what you're looking for, but the file that tool manipulates is /boot/grub/menu.lst If you've never seen it, open it up in Gedit and take a look. It's pretty easy to change by hand...
[02:51] <screamz> Also, I moved my Windows Grub entry to before the lines that say ### Begin Grub Autoconfig or something to that affect. That way kernel updates won't blow away your windows grub entry...
[02:51] <screamz> is this correct?
[02:52] <screamz> the autoconfig thing
[02:52] <Amaranth> screamz: smeg doesn't edit menu.lst...
[02:52] <NaWer> Amaranth: nothing in a terminal
[02:52] <Amaranth> NaWer: Now I'm just confused...
[02:53] <IIIEars> (Newb raises hand and waves wildly..) Oh-Oh-Oh! - Would some kind and experienced Dev. please add md5sum to gnome?
[02:53] <Amaranth> IIIEars: ?
[02:53] <bob2> IIIEars: you want a GUI tool to do md5sums?
[02:53] <screamz> smeg?