[22:52] <Peyam> I tried and failed
[22:52] <sasho199> Does anyone know if its normal to have only 800x600 res available from the nouveau driver in 18.04
[22:52] <wirehunter> Peyam, Using css things like bootstrap
[22:53] <SlidingHorn> !resolution | sasho199 This should get you started :)
[22:53] <Peyam> wirehunter, I want to see what I m making instead of refreshing the webpage
[22:53] <BUSY> it looks like i need to purge some nvidia drivers, but i can't find a way to get into a CLI. any ideas?
[22:53] <wirehunter> Peyam, There probably is a preview thing for your editor.
[22:54] <SlidingHorn> BUSY: Ctrl+Alt+F(1-6) doesn't work?
[22:54] <lolz> does ubuntu 18.04 comes with Firefox?
[22:54] <SlidingHorn> lolz: yes
[22:54] <wirehunter> Peyam, But that isn't really a thing to discuss at #ubuntu
[22:55] <BUSY> SlidingHorn, i'm having trouble booting and i don't think i'm far enough to allow for those terminals. also tried to ssh in
[22:55] <lolz> SlidingHorn: thank you. i forgot if i had installed it myself
[22:55] <Peyam> what is honestly?
[22:55] <SlidingHorn> Peyam: support issues with ubuntu itself
[22:55] <sasho199> ubottu: It told me command not found
[22:56] <SlidingHorn> software recommendations aren't really the thing here
[22:56] <lolz> will we ever see a Windows (TM) 2GB installation like ubuntu in the future?
[22:56] <kostkon> lolz, what do you mean exactly
[22:56] <ahtd> Hi, I've edited my fstab and now it wont get past the login screen. Can someone help me with this? I'm trying to add a swap and home partition to a already installed Ubuntu
[22:56] <sasho199> SlidingHorn: What does that mean, Im not familiar with the signs you are using
[22:56] <SlidingHorn> sasho199: check the link ubottu gave you - and the ?dm  part is meant to be replaced with your display manager
[22:57] <lolz> kostkon: i mean, Windows TM asks me for 8GB disk space to do just an update, like Creators
[22:58] <lolz> not bashing on Windows, i think it has improved a lot
[22:58] <ahtd> I'm on recovery mode right now. If I restore the fstab to the backup I've made, it will login
[22:58] <RadicalEntity> ahtd, can you post the output of your fstab here: https://pastebin.com/
[22:58] <kostkon> lolz, they may decide to offer a cut down version some day. but windows is ot in here anyway
[22:58] <RadicalEntity> ahtd, also paste the output of the command lsblk -f
[22:59] <lolz> kostkon: where do you talk offtopic, besides the offtopic channel?
[22:59] <sasho199> SlidingHorn: How can I find out what I should write there?
[22:59] <kostkon> lolz, not sure, but you can ask alis
[22:59] <kostkon> !alis
[22:59] <lolz> kostkon: ty
[23:00] <wirehunter> lolz, On my Lumia 640 running windows insider preview, I didn't have enough space to perform an upgrade, yet I deleted everything on it. (8gb total storage)
[23:01] <lolz> wirehunter: i have a 32gb fresh from store and i had to delete stuff to get 8GB free to proceed to update
[23:01] <SlidingHorn> sasho199: restarting your display manager isn't going to help you until you make changes - you need to visit the link that ubottu gave you
[23:01] <lolz> wirehunter: *32GB notebook
[23:02] <sasho199> SlidingHorn: I am in it. I cant understand what I should look for
[23:03] <lolz> wirehunter: windows phone sounds like hell, no offense
[23:03] <sasho199> SlidingHorn: I am still trying to understand if I can run ubuntu only using that driver, cause the nvidia once are cuasing my computer to break
[23:04] <SlidingHorn> sasho199: you should be fine using the noveau driver - Your question was about having a low resolution.  I gave you a link to fix that.
[23:10] <sasho199> SlidingHorn: Thank you for your responce! But now when I enter xrandr I get only 800x600 possible
[23:11] <ilovepixelart_> hello folks!
[23:11] <SlidingHorn> sasho199: please read the whole page
[23:12] <SSMAdmin> I have a OpenVPN server which I used while on Ubuntu 16.04.  After upgrading to 18.04, the 18.04 will no longer import my *.ovpn configuration file in Network settings - VPN
[23:13] <ahtd> RadicalEntity: https://pastebin.com/bZd3wJ0A
[23:14] <john1990> has anyone tried "dupeguru" on 18? I know its dev has stopped but it was working on 16 so I am hoping for 18?
[23:14] <ahtd> RadicalEntity: I put both outputs on the same file. The fstab.bug does not work
[23:14] <john1990> hoping but haven't gotten it to work yet
[23:15] <sasho199> SlidingHorn: So I have to add a resolution that is not detected?
[23:17] <sasho199> SlidingHorn: Thank you for your help, but this is too much for now, I will try it tomorrow!
[23:17] <SlidingHorn> john1990: dupeguru isn't supported here
[23:18] <john1990> SlidingHorn: doh, any thoughts on where I might get some answers?
[23:18] <SlidingHorn> john1990: no idea - it's not even supported by the developer, so I doubt other places will
[23:19] <oerheks> !info fslint
[23:19] <SlidingHorn> john1990: it's a long shot but you can *try* ##linux
[23:20] <john1990> SlidingHorn: alright will try there. Any suggestions on other dup apps? I've tried fslint but it does not have the opt i need
[23:20] <oerheks> tons of other tools that are maintained, john1990 > https://askubuntu.com/a/118389
[23:21] <john1990> oerheks: thx will try that first then perhaps head over to #linux and beg a bit
[23:22] <john1990> cheers
[23:24] <ahtd> RadicalEntity: nevermind, I will install from scratch. These things never work for me
[23:28] <RadicalEntity> ahtd, what drive are you trying to mount?
[23:29] <outoftime> I have my Ubuntu 16.04 on sda1, I have started Windows install on sda2. How to boot sda2 (windows not installed already, need reboot to continue)
[23:31] <tomreyn> outoftime: you'll need to recover ubuntu, re-install grub to (supposedly) /dev/sda, then both should be bootable.
[23:31] <tomreyn> that's because windows doesn't accept other queens beside her,
[23:32] <outoftime> tomreyn: Windows install not completed, boot-repair utility not working
[23:32] <tomreyn> outoftime: well, how do you plan to boot a non-finished installation?
[23:32] <outoftime> tomreyn: `boot-repair` cant find windows, need to boot sda2 to finish install
[23:33] <outoftime> tomreyn: somehow via grub
[23:33] <outoftime> tomreyn: it has console
[23:33] <outoftime> tomreyn: did it for linux in near part, but forgot how to do it
[23:34] <outoftime> tomreyn: there was 3 commands
[23:34] <oerheks> is this windows in UEFI mode, and Ubuntu in legacy ?
[23:34] <tomreyn> so i assume you are hoping to get around having to recvover ubuntu and re-install grub, by not finishing the last stage of the windows installation?
[23:34] <tomreyn> i don't know whether or not this will work, ask someone who is into windows
[23:34] <outoftime> tomreyn: I have my Ubuntu working well, I'm on it right now
[23:35] <oerheks> i think you should finish windows properly, then install ubuntu
[23:35] <outoftime> oerheks: yes, but how?
[23:35] <outoftime> orgasmix: Windows on sda2 it is second partition
[23:35] <outoftime> oerheks: message above
[23:36] <tomreyn> complete windows installation,then do as i said
 outoftime: you'll need to recover ubuntu, re-install grub to (supposedly) /dev/sda, then both should be bootable.
[23:36] <outoftime> tomreyn: I can not boot from sda2
[23:37] <outoftime> tomreyn: I have my grub on sda1
[23:37] <tomreyn> install grub to /dev/sda instead. not to the partition.
[23:39] <outoftime> oerheks: I'm newbie with "rummors" knowladge, I do not know how to finish windows install because grubs loads first
[23:41] <oerheks> so you never hold shift @ boot to get into grub menu?
[23:41] <outoftime> oerheks: no, it is just apears as usuall
[23:41] <oerheks> if grub is installed correctly, there would be a windows instance
[23:42] <outoftime> oerheks: windows not finished install on sda2
[23:42] <guest-xeutqd> hello
[23:42] <outoftime> oerheks: it have been rebooted and have to be booted again to finish
[23:43] <oerheks> so, if you cannot get into windows, it is not an ubuntu issue, finish your windows by booting with windows dvd
[23:43] <ahtd> RadicalEntity: I was trying to mount /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2
[23:43] <oerheks> but if you never been into grub menu, you might want to take a look there first
[23:45] <outoftime> oerheks: I understand that it is not ubuntu issue at all, I'm installing Windows on second partition and Windows require installation on the first partition because of the MBR.
[23:45] <outoftime> oerheks: just need help and have no idea where to ask..
[23:46] <outoftime> oerheks: I'll try to boot from Windows bootable usb and select recover, maybe it will finish installation
[23:48] <zanakyn> hey guys. so the other day i came around here asking why firefox is complaining about pulseaudio needing to be installed for audio to work, while i have pulseaudio installed. during diagnosing the issue, audio started working somehow so I called it at that.
[23:49] <zanakyn> turns out audio in firefox won't work if i start firefox from i3-launcher or whatever it's called, but it will work if i just run "firefox" in the terminal directly
[23:49] <zanakyn> anyone had an issue like this? i assume the behavior would be the same if i was using unity and starting firefox with the launcher icon. not sure though. this is ubuntu 16.04
[23:50] <zanakyn> sorry, dmenu is the name of the app launcher bundled with i3-wm
[23:51] <RadicalEntity> ahtd, you might want to do a fsck on sdb2
[23:51] <RadicalEntity> ahtd, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[23:53] <arooni> anyway to reduce/hide a bunch of my system icons ?  i have too many and cant see the minimize/close/open buttons
[23:56] <^Saso^>  hi
[23:56] <Randolf> Hello ^Saso^.
[23:56]  * ^Saso^ on 1:JOIN:#:/msg ????? ????
[23:59] <outoftime> oerheks: @tomreyn thank you for will to help


[01:40] <Meeso_OS> hmm
[01:40] <Meeso_OS> whenI turn off xubuntu, it goes to some black and white prompt thingy
[01:40] <Meeso_OS> some errors show up
[01:40] <Meeso_OS> pertaining to the wireless access
[01:40] <Meeso_OS> how do I fix this?
[01:41] <Meeso_OS> I tihnk it has to do with me not being able to connect to my wireless access point
[01:41] <Meeso_OS> I installed it on the same comp
[01:41] <Meeso_OS> with wubi
[01:41] <Meeso_OS> and it worked fine
[01:41] <Meeso_OS> I wiped the drive, installed linux on the whole drive
[01:41] <Meeso_OS> and it wont connect
[01:41] <Meeso_OS> :/
[01:41] <Meeso_OS> halps :D
[01:48] <Meeso_OS>  when I turn off xubuntu, it goes to some black and white prompt thingy some errors show up pertaining to the wireless access how do I fix this? I tihnk it has to do with me not being able to connect to my wireless access point I installed it on the same comp with wubi and it worked fine. I wiped the drive, installed linux on the whole drive and it wont connect
[01:48] <Meeso_OS> I can has halpz?
[02:29] <tetsuo9> hello
[02:29] <tetsuo9> i am having a hell of a time trying to set up sound in Xubuntu
[02:31] <tetsuo9> google turned up some resources on this topic, but they all seem to mention messing with "System > Preferences > Sound", and I don't even know where 'System' is (nothing appropriate in the Applications menu, or on any toolbar).
[02:31] <tetsuo9> does anyone know any other good resources that might help me?
[02:31] <charlie-tca> Use alsamixer to unmute and turn up volumes
[02:32] <charlie-tca> If it is not installed, install using synaptic
[02:34] <tetsuo9> thank you. i will try that
[02:35] <charlie-tca> Hope it works. :-)
[02:36] <tetsuo9> would it be wise to turn the volume up on all channels to 100%?
[02:36] <charlie-tca> I did, then I could control it with the panel volume control.
[02:37] <tetsuo9> i have no volume control on any panel.
[02:38] <charlie-tca> Right click on a blank spot, Add New Item, Volume Control. It works after you set up with alsamixer
[02:42] <tetsuo9> thank you again : )
[02:45] <tetsuo9> it all works!  wonderful!
[02:45] <tetsuo9> thank you! and good night
[03:16] <Pici> pleia2: Now I know :)
[03:16] <pleia2> :)
[04:13] <Metatron> the xubuntu live cd saw my wireless network...installed to hard drive and now it doesnt see it...whats up?
[04:51] <Edgar> hello everyone
[04:51] <Edgar> I have ubuntu with gnome by default
[04:52] <Edgar> and I installed kde by typing kde-core in the terminal
[04:52] <Edgar> what I have to type for download the Xfce's core
[04:52] <Edgar> ??
[04:53] <Edgar> now, I'm downloading the Xfce, by the command apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[04:53] <Metatron> been kinda quiet in here edgar
[04:54] <Edgar> yes I have noticed it
[04:54] <Metatron> ive been out of loop too long to help, im stuck with a wifi problem, xubuntu live cd boot should wireless, after install to hard drive no wireless...pain in the router
[04:54] <Metatron> showed that is, not should
[04:55] <Edgar> it seems that there is no community support at these hours
[04:56] <Metatron> u trying to downgrade xubuntu to something lighter?
[04:56] <Metatron> downgrade isn right word
[04:56] <Edgar> I'm not downgrading
[04:57] <Edgar> I'm just want to download the core to test it
[04:57] <Metatron> i c
[04:57] <Edgar> for download the kde core I just type kde-core
[04:57] <Metatron> cant u find xfce in symantic
[04:58] <Edgar> mmmm it should, I just wanted to type the command
[04:59] <Edgar> anyway, I don't find it in symantic
[05:00] <Metatron> trying to think
[05:00] <Metatron> im in xp atm
[05:00] <Edgar> hehe
[05:00] <Edgar> ok, yea, sometimes I need to use xp too
[05:00] <Metatron> sudo apt-cache search xfce
[05:02] <Metatron> should list packages with xfce in it
[05:02] <Edgar> ok
[05:02] <Metatron> i think hehe
[05:02] <Metatron> i dont think xubuntu is gonna do it for me on target box, its OLD
[05:03] <Edgar> well that should work, but it's ok now I have already downloaded the xubuntu-desktop
[05:03] <Metatron> but im trying to revive its ANCIENT tv tuner card, no luck in other distro's, but xubuntu is gonna be too slow, back to puppy, tinyme or zenwalk
[05:03] <Edgar> so you don't like the xubuntu?
[05:03] <Metatron> its ok, i just have a realy old box
[05:03] <Metatron> not up to it
[05:06] <Metatron> the biggest plus on all ubuntu flavors is the repository, best selection of stuff, best dependancy checking
[05:07] <Metatron> i once installed ubuntu as a text/console only and tried icewm fluxbox xfce rox-filer anb ran fast on old box, just too hard to configure
[05:10] <Edgar> xfce looks like a copy of gnome
[05:11] <Edgar> it's almost the same but...gnome it's kinda of superior
[05:11] <Metatron> its much faster, gnome has alot more guts to it
[05:12] <Metatron> realy its the panels that make it loot the same
[05:12] <Metatron> look
[05:12] <Edgar> well yes it's faster but gnome looks better I mean smoother
[05:12] <Metatron> gnome has more shading and transparecy stuff
[05:13] <Edgar> yes, that's what I mean
[05:13] <Metatron> i like the xfce file manager over thunar or whatever its called nowadays, its like explore in xp sorta
[05:14] <Edgar> what advantages has xfce over gnome? besides the performance
[05:15] <Metatron> performance
[05:15] <Metatron> about it
[05:16] <Edgar> something else?
[05:16] <Metatron> xfce might be easier to tweak
[05:16] <Metatron> customize i mean, but u got a learning curve
[05:17] <Metatron> right click menus are more customizable in xfce if i remember correctly
[05:19] <Edgar> so for you, which is better for u gnome or xfce?
[05:19] <Metatron> gnome if i got horsepower, xfce on slower box
[05:19] <Edgar> ok
[05:19] <Edgar> do u like the kde?
[05:20] <Metatron> abit better at performance than gnome, some nice apps forit
[05:20] <Metatron> gnome is used more thus there is alot of infor availble for it, lots of ppl banging on it
[05:20] <Edgar> ok
[05:21] <Metatron> if performance isnt an isssue gnome is fine, if performace is an isssue, fluxbox, icewm, rox-filer, jwm or some combination there of
[05:23] <Edgar> ok
[05:28] <Edgar> well, it's cool that xfce have a theme similar to the gnome human theme
[05:39] <Edgar> it seems that xfce is kinda of abandoned, becouse the last version was released in 2007 :s
[05:39] <Edgar> :-/
[05:40] <Metatron> not abandoned, just slower develeopment
[05:40] <Metatron> alot less ppl working on it
[05:40] <Edgar> why is that?
[05:40] <Metatron> gnome is used in oodles of distro's
[05:40] <Metatron> more ppl in the community to work on it
[05:41] <Edgar> ook
[05:41] <Edgar> but the people that develop gnome or xfce, does they make money?
[05:42] <Edgar> I mean the softwares is free
[05:43] <Edgar> I guess that people who works in free software doesn't live of making free software
[05:43] <Metatron> yup
[05:43] <Metatron> though some of the distro's that use gnome do have commercial interests
[05:44] <Metatron> even ubuntu has a commercial sponser
[05:44] <Metatron> thus more support for gnome
[05:47] <Edgar> with the free software, people can make money with commercial support or sponsored services
[05:47] <Metatron> yeah
[05:48] <Edgar> with the services can make money, but with the product can't
[06:14] <dnyy> Everytime I open this file and edit it, then try and save, it says It can not open file to save.  Why? :(
[06:34] <knome> dnyy, what file is it?
[06:35] <dnyy> .conkyForecast
[06:35] <dnyy> I opened it through sudo thunar and it worked, though.
[06:35] <dnyy> It lets me edit other hidden files, so I have no idea why it wouldn't on that one. :/
[06:36] <knome> i suppose it has such permissions you can edit it only with root/sudo
[06:36] <zoredache> dnyy: Perhaps you don't have rights to edit the file because it owned by seomeone else
[06:37] <dnyy> Err, yeah.  For some reason it's owned by root.
[06:37] <dnyy> Didn't think to check that, sorry. ;o
[07:33] <gaurdro> is there a way to configure the options for a particular screensaver in intrepid?
[07:44] <bitmous1> I think I am having a problem with permissions, I have a minimal install with idesk as my desktop manager, unless I run it as root, it crashes every time I try to move an Icon, my icon files as well as their related files (.png's etc) are all within my personal home folder, any ideas?
[07:55] <bitmous1> hmm anybody know how to tell wine to open a command prompt and then run a program within that command prompt?
[08:02] <gaurdro> wine command.com?
[09:00] <bitmous1> anybody know where swiftfox keeps it's bookmarks etc for each user?
[12:17] <generalsnus> we have a ltsp enviroment, and the ltsp servers(xubuntu) authenticates with M$ AD.  we would like to get USB drives to work for the clients..   It used to work on both servers..  now, this has stopped working on 1 of the servers..prolly after a update.. thing is.. we dont really remember how we got it to work the first time around..  So what config files are involved here?
[12:55] <emkeyen> hello
[12:55] <emkeyen> i have a problem
[12:55] <emkeyen> i'm running xubuntu 8.10 on a hp omnibook 6100
[12:56] <emkeyen> but it does not mount my floppy disk
[12:56] <emkeyen> can i do it manually?
[13:02] <emkeyen> sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy/ -t vfat
[13:02] <emkeyen> mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist
[13:02] <emkeyen> and
[13:03] <emkeyen> $ sudo mount /dev/fd/0 /media/floppy/ -t vfat
[13:03] <emkeyen> mount: /dev/pts/0 is not a block device
[13:03] <emkeyen> ???
[13:03] <j_xinudsb> emkeyen: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[13:04] <emkeyen> j_xinudsb: doesnt work. see error message above.
[13:06] <emkeyen> when i hot swap to cdrom it works
[13:07] <vidd> emkeyen, what exactly are you trying to do?
[13:07] <j_xinudsb> emkeyen: yeah ubuntu does not set /dev/fd0 as a automuntable device so it must be u-mounted before removing
[13:08] <emkeyen> aha
[13:10] <j_xinudsb> emkeyen: try /dev/fd0  /media/floppy0  auto rw,user,noauto,exec,utf8   0    0 in your fstab
[13:11] <j_xinudsb> note auto
[13:14] <emkeyen>  mount /dev/fd0
[13:14] <emkeyen> mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist
[13:15] <vidd> emkeyen, is this a usb floppy, or a standard floppy?
[13:15] <emkeyen> hotswappable standard floppy on laptop
[13:16] <vidd> emkeyen, then it will not mount as /dev/fd0
[13:17] <vidd> check your thunar under /dev/ to see what devises are listed
[13:17] <vidd> ie what is the cdrom mounted as?
[13:17] <emkeyen> when i look at fstab i see cdrom listed as /dev/scd0
[13:18] <vidd> emkeyen, then when you hotswap the floppy, see if you can mount /dev/scd0 as /media/floppy
[13:19] <vidd> you might also try scd1
[13:20] <emkeyen> hmm. weird. now i have no /dev/scd0
[13:20] <vidd> the devices listed in thunar with an "X" icon are devices not connected.....
[13:21] <vidd> items with no "X" icon are found devices
[13:21] <j_xinudsb> or create a floppy device in dev/ to point to the cd drive as ln -s scd0 floppy0
[13:22] <j_xinudsb>  ln -s scd0 fd0
[13:23] <vidd> emkeyen, when you boot with the floppy in, your bios does detect it....right?
[13:23] <emkeyen> yes
[13:23] <emkeyen> it tries to boot from floppy
[13:23] <vidd> try booting with the floppy device in, and review the list of devices in /dev
[13:24] <emkeyen> ok
[13:24] <emkeyen> now it does not mount cdrom any more either
[13:24] <vidd> this will let you know what linux is seeing the device as
[13:24] <emkeyen> ok
[13:24] <emkeyen> thanks
[13:24] <emkeyen> i'll try and bbl
[13:24] <vidd> do you still have that /dev/fd0 in your fstab?
[13:25] <emkeyen> commented it out. should i have it?
[13:50] <j_xinudsb> ahh yes otherwise ubuntu does not know how to and where to mount fd0
[14:09] <RurouniJones> Howdy all, is there anything that the alternate xubuntu install CD has that recommends it over the standard liv/install CD?
[14:11] <gabkdlly> smaller footprint
[14:12] <RurouniJones> Don't suppose it has a utility to resize windows partitions on it?
[14:13] <vidd> RurouniJones, of course it does
[14:15] <RurouniJones> On the live CD as well as the alternate?
[14:15] <RurouniJones> Non-destructively resize windows partitions that is ;)
[14:18] <j_xinudsb> use Debian if you need a smaller footprint
[14:19] <j_xinudsb> and just dont install
[14:19] <RurouniJones> footprint isn't that important. lightweight GUI is the main one
[14:19] <RurouniJones> This is going to be a Granny OS installation
[14:20] <j_xinudsb> i use dream linux for small gui footprint
[14:21] <j_xinudsb> it is based on Debian too
[14:22] <j_xinudsb> but i think xubuntu is light enough for most cases
[14:58] <vynlwombat> Hello
[14:59] <vynlwombat> I have been trying to figure out how to run the LiveUSB system creator from an ISO of xubuntu alt ISO
[14:59] <vynlwombat> jsut can't figure it out, and i've been googling all night
[19:10] <dbm> Hello there.
[19:42] <afallenhope|work> hey I was wondering can I make a liveCD of my current setup?
[19:49] <NDS> does anyone know a bluetooth applet for the XFCE panels?
[19:52] <Shaba1> NDS you are trying to connnect a bluetooth headset to your computer?
[19:52] <NDS> well, yes. among other things
[19:53] <Shaba1> not that I can help. I am just trying to figure out what you are doing
[19:53] <NDS> i just need an applet like the one available for GNOME, i find it to be the easiest to add new devices and browse files on my phone.
[20:02] <OiPenguinn> How do I install xubuntu in text mode? I have the regular and the alternate 8.10 cd. Plus graphic driver issue.
[20:04] <OiPenguinn> I've figured out. I didn't know it was text only...
[20:30] <afallenhope|work> Anyone know how I can get my current setup  (I just installed like 5 things and custom scripts/programs) as a live CD?
[20:37] <zoredache> sorry?
[20:37] <zoredache> what do you mean get your current setup?
[20:37] <knome> i suppose he means a custom cd
[20:38] <afallenhope|work> Well I just installed Xubuntu, and I've installed like 5 applications and  a few of my custom scripts/programs. now I was wondering if I can turn that into a livecd
[20:38] <afallenhope|work> you know like knoppix, slax, unbuntu,
[20:39] <zoredache> the procedure for ubuntu should be the same for xubuntu
[20:40] <zoredache> anywho, you might want to look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[21:23] <Buster_Hymen> how do i acces autostarted programs in xfce?
[21:25] <Kudi> how do i make k3b burn mp3 files
[21:28] <Buster_Hymen> Kudi:  do you have the mp3 codecs installed?
[21:28] <Kudi> yah i can play mp3 fine
[21:29] <Buster_Hymen> oh. lol well it was a shot in the dark. i'm not sure then
[21:29] <Kudi> haha k thanks
[21:39] <Shaba1> Is there a good subversion client for xubuntu 8.04?
[21:46] <Erant> Hmm, how do I set the initial boot resolution in xfce?
[21:47] <Erant> For some reason, it keeps defaulting to either 640x480 or 800x600, and doesn't even show the 1024x768 resolution.
[21:47] <Erant> I can set it just fine with xrandr though :
[21:47] <Erant> :/
[22:02] <ian___> how do i install a persistent cpy of xubuntu on a usb drive
[22:03] <ian___> *copy
[22:34] <cody-somerville> EVERYONE: Shout out your most wanted features in Xubuntu!! :D
[22:36] <cody-somerville> :)
[22:40] <Shaba1> better documentation
[22:40] <Shaba1> and a good user forum
[22:50] <cody-somerville> Shaba1, we have ubuntuforums.com
[22:50] <cody-somerville> * http://ubuntuforums.org/
[22:51] <Shaba1> that is for ubuntu
[22:51] <Shaba1> not xubuntu
[22:51] <cody-somerville> No
[22:51] <cody-somerville> It is for both
[22:52] <Shaba1> My point is that there is enough difference that there needs to be a specific forum for xubuntu
[22:53] <cody-somerville> No, no there doesn't
[22:53] <Shaba1> ok your opinion cody-somerville
[22:53] <Shaba1> sheesh
[22:53] <cody-somerville> There is only like 66 packages different between Ubuntu and Xubuntu
[22:54] <Shaba1> the whole interface is differnt
[22:54] <Shaba1> you go into the ubuntu room and ask about something
[22:54] <Shaba1> and someone tells you to click here and choose this menu item
[22:54] <cody-somerville> Sure
[22:54] <knome> Shaba1, ok so you're talking about bad *xfce* documentation
[22:54] <Shaba1> well that does not exist in xubuntu and you are totally lost
[22:54] <cody-somerville> but we don't need a separate forums
[22:55] <cody-somerville> just separate space on the forum
[22:55] <cody-somerville> and that exists
[23:00] <Odd-rationale> xfce4.6!
[23:03] <cody-somerville> :D
[23:05] <Odd-rationale> network (samba) browsing in thunar!
[23:19] <Shaba1> that would have been nice in my former job
[23:20] <Shaba1> but now that I am only on my 2 computer home network its not a necessary thing
[23:47] <skymebill> xfce 4.6 add in 8.10?
[23:49] <cody-somerville> Xfce 4.6 will be in the next release, yup
[23:50] <skymebill> :-D
[23:57] <knome> yes.


[14:00] <cyphermox> salut gang
[15:14] <Chex> bonjour cyphermox
[15:14] <cyphermox> hey
[15:14] <Chex> wassap :)
[15:14] <Chex> hey so, Desktop Support guys in my office are crying over the fact that they cant get any Linux distro to support 3 monitor displays at once..
[15:15] <Chex> well, they are trying Ubuntu and Fedora
[15:16] <Chex> and of course they look at me as the 'expert' and I just tell them I had lots of trouble with Ubuntu/Gnome with 2 displays, let alone 3
[15:20] <Chex> not looking for an answer, I'm just ranting, and thought it was funny.
[15:21] <mdeslaur> Chex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbwNMnNUGFA
[15:32] <Chex> mdeslaur: interesting.


[19:24] <ahoneybun> popey: did you have this error at all with anbox: Failed to reload daemon: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1
[19:26] <popey> ahoneybun: maybe take it to #anbox ? :)


[11:13] <TJ-> Has anyone checked/experimented with the xfce4-terminal true-colour support? I just noticed that although I enabled it some time ago for use with tmux (and I'm /reasonably/ sure I did test it) it is not currently working (using 24-bit-color.sh as the test). 'tmux info' shows Tc is true for xterm-256color, and I read that the libvte/xfce-terminal versions in 18.04+ (built against gtk3) should support
[11:13] <TJ-> it.
[11:54] <brainwash> TJ-: you mean it's not working inside tmux?
[11:55] <TJ-> brainwash: correct
[11:56] <TJ-> I'm beginning to doubt myself about having previously tested it :)
[12:00] <brainwash> a quick search gives https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41783367/tmux-tmux-true-color-is-not-working-properly
[12:03] <brainwash> # Enable RGB colour if running in xterm(1)
[12:03] <brainwash> set-option -sa terminal-overrides ",xterm*:Tc"
[12:03] <brainwash> TJ-: this works ^
[12:15] <TJ-> Yes, that's how I have it configured
[12:15] <TJ-> this is why I'm confused :)
[12:16] <TJ-> as I said, tmux info shows it is enabled too ( "Tc: (flag) true" )
[12:17] <brainwash> is this 19.04?
[12:18] <brainwash> I've tested it in 18.04, and it works
[12:18] <TJ-> this is 18.04. Tried it on 2 systems so I was wondering if it was the 24-bit-color.sh not working as advetised :)
[12:20] <brainwash> TJ-: https://i.imgur.com/hlKGjT0.png
[12:21] <TJ-> right, that is what I expected, but it only gets blank lines which infers TC isn't working
[12:22] <brainwash> it has to be something specific to your setup
[12:23] <TJ-> yes, that's what I'm thinking, but so far its defeated me. Likely something stupidly simple too
[12:24] <TJ-> tmux info shows the controlling terminal is using xterm-256color which has the Tc flag set by terminal-overrides
[12:24] <TJ-> env shows COLORTERM=truecolor and TERM=screen-256color
[12:27] <brainwash> best to ask in #tmux then
[12:33] <TJ-> oooo! I ran another true-color test and it works, so it must be something to do with that 24-bit-color.sh
[12:34] <TJ-> the awk script in this issue https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/696


[00:12] <hazmat> bcsaller, any progress resolving that?
[00:13] <bcsaller> hazmat: I've been running into other issues on both EC2 and local trying to reproduce it
[00:13] <hazmat> bcsaller, ?
[00:13] <hazmat> what issues?
[00:15] <bcsaller> things like the oneiric instance isn't getting a new enough python-zookeeper so the managed classes were not there
[00:16] <bcsaller> on the local provider the UA wasn't coming up when the series was old
[00:18] <bcsaller> the json module seemed fine however which was all thats involved in that test afaics
[00:26] <hazmat> bcsaller, juju-origin: ppa should solve the first (txzk version)
[00:26] <hazmat> bcsaller, pls file a bug on the latter
[00:33] <hazmat> SpamapS, trunk open?
[00:33] <hazmat> are we there yet ;-)
[01:21] <imbrandon> hazmat: you got openstack to work at all yet ? i dont care if i got to use s3 or not, i just cant seem to get my env.y happy
[01:21] <imbrandon> its always something else once i get one fixed
[01:21] <imbrandon> jej
[01:22] <hazmat> imbrandon, i haven't had a chance to get rolling with it. though i did just get my invite for the rackspace openstack beta squared away. i'm hoping to get back into it post my velocity talk tomorrow
[01:24] <imbrandon> rocking, if you dont mind ping me if i seem to be arond
[01:25] <imbrandon> i'll try to play at the same timeish that way we can bounce fixes.problems with less effor both ends
[01:25] <imbrandon> :)
[01:26] <imbrandon> least till successfull bootstrap or i;ll slit wrists what ever seems like it will work hahahah , totally joken before someone calls the loony bin on me
[01:27] <imbrandon> ok , gonna see if i cant migrate websitedevops.com to jekyll+bootstrap tonight ( havent started yet only been reading up on it ) hehe
[01:27] <imbrandon> afk-ish
[02:15] <imbrandon> hazmat: would you be cool if i changed the links on juju.ubuntu.com that point to the docs over to jujucharms only long enought till we get the RT ticket fixed or get the ok to charm it up
[02:15] <imbrandon> i know might mean $ so thus asking
[02:16] <imbrandon> before i did it, and i really just mean those two links in the wiki header nav
[02:16] <imbrandon> temporarly
[02:17] <imbrandon> hrm or actually we already point some pages to jujutools.github.com and multi of us herer on the core team have "owner" on that repo, i could just upload it to /docs there via git
[02:18] <imbrandon> and no cost to anyone and be on an semi official , or at least fully contoled via official ppl
[02:18]  * imbrandon preps that, not like it would take 30 sec to switch the link back
[02:20] <cjohnston> I'm a little confused.. I have a charm that's been deployed by someone else.. I added the environments.yaml I was given to my .juju directory, but I'm still not able to run juju status, or anything else..  Any ideas what I may be missing?
[02:30] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: are you running it locally?
[02:32] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: no, ec2
[02:33] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: verify all the data in the environments.yaml file is correct, then juju bootstrap, juju deploy [charmname]
[02:33] <cjohnston> its already deployed
[02:33] <cjohnston> and now I'm trying to connect to i
[02:33] <cjohnston> it
[02:33] <JoseeAntonioR> juju status should give you a public IP address for it
[02:34] <JoseeAntonioR> unless it hasn't finished downloading the master image and configuring yet
[02:34] <cjohnston> its been up for a few months... I get "juju environment not found: is the environment bootstrapped?"
[02:34] <cjohnston> I can ssh into one of the servers, I can view the site.. I just cant get to all the servers because I dont know all the ip's
[02:35] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, maybe juju destroy-environment and juju boostrap again
[02:35] <cjohnston> noo... thats bad juju
[02:35] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[02:35] <JoseeAntonioR> if there are things you can't lose, then don't run it
[02:35] <cjohnston> ya.. not running
[02:36] <JoseeAntonioR> you should try "juju bootstrap", if the environment is not bootstraped it will do it, but if it is already bootstrapped no changes will be applied
[02:37] <JoseeAntonioR> you won't lose anything at the end
[02:38] <cjohnston> should I have to run bootstrap in order to connect to something that was setup by someone else?
[02:38] <JoseeAntonioR> no, you should run bootstrap to bootstrap the environment
[02:39] <JoseeAntonioR> after the bootstrap, status
[02:39] <JoseeAntonioR> may work
[02:43] <cjohnston> I got asked about a fingerprint.. I guess thats a good thing
[02:43] <cjohnston> hrm.. its only showing me one agent and no services tho
[02:43] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: then no charms were deployed
[02:44] <JoseeAntonioR> you're starting from scratch
[02:45] <cjohnston> then something is still broken.. I'm ssh'ed into one of the servers... I know it exists
[02:47] <JoseeAntonioR> and no juju+charms in that server, then
[02:49] <cjohnston> There should be 4 servers showing in status, a front end, a db, a memcache, and the server that the code lives on.. I'm only getting 1..
[02:50] <JoseeAntonioR> that seems weird
[02:51] <cjohnston> tell me about it
[02:57] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: I think it's only showing the server you're connected to
[02:58] <cjohnston> I sshed into the server it shows, and I don't recognize any of the processes running on the server
[02:59] <JoseeAntonioR> what the...
[03:01] <sidnei> jml, ah, it does.
[03:38] <m_3> dang... cjohnston left
[03:39] <m_3> JoseeAntonioR: he's not using the right environment in his commands
[03:39] <imbrandon> he is in some of the same chans i am
[03:39] <JoseeAntonioR> m_3: that explains everything, I'll let him know
[03:39] <m_3> i.e., 'juju status -esummit'
[03:40] <m_3> yeah, his keys were injected as part of the 'authorized-keys:' for the environment
[03:40] <JoseeAntonioR> still online, so catch him if you want to
[03:40] <m_3> pm-ing... thanks
[03:41] <m_3> hazmat: otw... we leave an another hour or so
[03:42] <m_3> I'll be working from utc+10 for a couple of weeks
[03:42] <negronjl> m_3:  utc+10 !!! that's a change
[03:43] <imbrandon> m_3: nice , you have to put up with more of me then , hahaha
[03:43] <cjohnston> back
[03:44] <m_3> negronjl: yup... actually sitting in SFO atm :)
[03:44] <m_3> negronjl: taylor's got a conference in sydney
[03:44] <negronjl> m_3: ahh ...  enjoy
[03:45] <m_3> negronjl: yup... _crazylong_ flight first tho
[03:47] <cjohnston> how long m_3
[03:47] <imbrandon> thats wh........
[03:48] <m_3> cjohnston: til the 9th
[03:48] <cjohnston> flight.. how longs the flight
[04:56] <lifeless> jcastro: still handing out tshirts like lollies?
[05:27] <imbrandon> heya lifeless you ever get to look into that box running the wiki/docs by chance ?
[05:39] <burnbrighter> Can nodes be shut down from with juju as to power them down?  Is that juju terminate?  I've found my ssh key is only working on my first bootstrap node.  All others did not get the ssh key and apparently did not bootstrap correctly for juju.  What forces the subsequent nodes to re-bootstrap with juju and get the right ssh key?
[05:40] <burnbrighter> Trying to avoid a complete re-do with destroy-environment
[05:42] <lifeless> burnbrighter: you should be able to use your cloud providers API to get those additional nodes boot logs
[05:42] <burnbrighter> this is maas
[05:42] <lifeless> ah, not sure if it provides that
[05:43] <lifeless> anyhow, Juju attempts to reprovision nodes that don't come up and register with the master node after a reasonable time
[05:43] <burnbrighter> can I simply powerdown nodes without doing damage to the juju environment
[05:43] <burnbrighter> ?
[05:43] <lifeless> so you should be able to use MAAS to terminate and return to the pool the node.
[05:43] <lifeless> I don't know whether the machine agent will run on reboot; if I did I could answer that question :)
[05:43] <burnbrighter> I've had bad experiences with removing the node from maas without removing from juju
[05:44] <lifeless> imbrandon: the sphinx docs q? I have the ticket to look at now, I haven't had time to look into the complexity and see about poking someone
[05:44] <burnbrighter> ok, I will try just shutting it down.  thanks
[05:46] <imbrandon> cool, yea me and SpamapS both receated and tested the proposed solutino of enabling -backports and upgrading the sphinx workd perfect, but yea i understand thir might be other services on the box to check
[05:46]  * imbrandon hopes not tho
[05:46] <imbrandon> heh
[05:47] <imbrandon> lifeless: let me know if there is anything i can do to make it easier on ya when you do get that far :if i'm around etc)
[05:52] <lifeless> imbrandon: sure, thanks
[06:38] <burnbrighter> Are there any suggestions on how to approach the ssh keyless maas nodes?  Maybe diagnosing a possible problem in the provider code?
[06:38] <burnbrighter> I can't get access to the nodes, so I can't see the logs
[12:49] <SpamapS> imbrandon: wtf? Another channel?
[12:49] <SpamapS> imbrandon: #juju-dev would have been the place for them to go, IMO
[14:28] <hazmat> imbrandon, sure re docs, though do you know who confirmed the rt for the docs update
[14:52] <zirpu> other than looking at $HOME/.juju/environments.yaml, is there a way to list your working/available environments?
[15:37] <SpamapS> hazmat: ok, at this point, 544 is a failure. I'm releasing 543 as 0.5.1, and trunk is open for dev
[15:37] <SpamapS> jimbaker`: ^^ please fix natty/oneiric
[15:40] <SpamapS> wtf
[15:40] <SpamapS> why can't I call "galapagos" milestone "0.5.1" ?
[15:41] <SpamapS> ah because version was galapagos
[15:41] <SpamapS> hrm or not
[15:41] <SpamapS> weird
[16:05] <hazmat> SpamapS, cool, fsync test stuff merged to trunk
[16:06] <james_w> where's the codebase that generates the review queue wiki page?
[16:21] <negronjl> 'morning all
[16:24] <hazmat> james_w, there's a copy in charm-tools used for the cli version
[16:25] <james_w> err, why did I say wiki?
[16:25] <hazmat> bzr lp:charm-tools  && less scripts/review-queue
[16:25] <james_w> thanks
[16:25] <james_w> hazmat, the web version uses that code too?
[16:25] <hazmat> james_w, pretty much, it just takes the output and dumps it into a mongodb, toss a simple html template on it
[16:26] <hazmat> it does the data collection as a cron job to avoid interacting with lp inline to the web request
[16:26] <james_w> hazmat, so the web page is live backed by mongo?
[16:27] <zirpu> sort of.
[16:27] <hazmat> james_w, yes nginx w caching, pyramid, and mongodb
[16:27] <james_w> hazmat, ok, thanks
[16:27] <james_w> hazmat, OOI why not just write out static html in the cron job?
[16:28] <hazmat> james_w, i've been asking myself that same question recently about the entire jujucharms.com site.. ie render static and push to cloud front
[16:28] <hazmat> the only dynamic bit atm is the search
[16:28] <james_w> yeah
[16:28] <hazmat> which according to analytics isn't used that much
[16:28] <james_w> jujucharms I can understand more, as there are lots of pages
[16:29] <james_w> eventually static html becomes a poor tradeoff with that IME
[16:29] <james_w> hazmat, so the review-queue is done like that because the rest of the site is?
[16:29] <hazmat> james_w, mostly its just ease of changing out styles and templates, and the caching makes it fairly fast regardless, even live (sans cache) its fairly fast
[16:29] <hazmat> james_w, yup
[16:29] <james_w> ok, thanks
[16:29] <james_w> for example, status.ubuntu.com is static html
[16:30] <zirpu> if you can do it statically it's generally better.
[16:30] <james_w> and takes >1hr to generate now, which means the original design decision isn't such a good idea any more
[16:30] <zirpu> especially if it doesn't change often.
[16:30] <james_w> given the likely access pattern
[16:30] <hazmat> well, part of the future goals is to add a bit more dynamicism
[16:31] <hazmat> here's the bug list for the site.. fwiw. https://bugs.launchpad.net/charmworld
[16:31] <hazmat> er.. feature requests
[16:31] <james_w> thanks
[16:31] <james_w> we're just wanting a review queue for a "distribution" on LP as well, but don't need a browser at this point
[16:32] <james_w> so mongo+nginx+pyramid seems a bit overkill
[16:40] <zirpu> hm. haproxy charm hooks/stop  stops mysql instead of haproxy.
[16:44] <zirpu> well i guess i need to learn how to make patches and submit bugs now.
[16:46] <SpamapS> zirpu: bzr branch lp:charms/haproxy , edit, bzr commit, bzr push lp:~your-lp-username/charms/precise/haproxy/fix-stop-hook, bzr lp-propose
[16:46] <zirpu> cool. thanks. was digging through the docs.
[16:56] <SpamapS> zirpu: note that the stop hook isn't actually called anywhere yet, but it should be at some point in the near future.
[17:00] <zirpu> ok.  this was a good 1st for me.
[17:01] <SpamapS> zirpu: ^5
[17:01] <zirpu> i'll be going to the charm school session at velocity at 13:00 today (PDT).
[17:18] <SpamapS> zirpu: *awesome*
[17:21] <juju-velocitycon> hi guys :-)
[17:27] <SpamapS> hah
[17:27] <SpamapS> notice
[17:27] <SpamapS> 10:21 ... join!#juju -><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:27] <SpamapS> subway :)
[18:02] <marcoceppi> nice
[18:41] <hazmat> negronjl, what's the admin web ui for hadoop?
[18:41] <hazmat> er. where
[18:41] <negronjl> hazmat:  hadoop-master:50030
[18:41] <negronjl> hazmat:  or .. http://<hadoop-master>:50030
[18:42] <hazmat> negronjl, thanks
[18:42] <negronjl> hazmat: np
[19:09] <lifeless> jcastro: ola
[19:40] <SpamapS> wth boto.. shipping your own certs and ignoring those in /etc/ssl/certs?!
[19:40] <SpamapS> badform
[19:42] <SpamapS> hazmat: something wicked in the fsync change me thinks
[19:42] <SpamapS>  * Duration: 2 hours 50 minutes
[19:42] <SpamapS>     test_resolved_stopped ...                                              [OK]
[19:42] <SpamapS> hung there before the buildd killed it
[20:00]  * SpamapS bootstraps using the proposed openstack provider
[20:02] <SpamapS>     agent-state: running
[20:02] <SpamapS> sahweeet
[20:07] <zirpu> sweet!
[20:07] <zirpu> anyone written a provider that uses vagrant? or virtualbox?
[20:10] <SpamapS> zirpu: no, just the local/lxc provider
[20:11] <SpamapS> zirpu: its certainly been wondered about a lot
[20:13] <burnbrighter> Anyone know what this error is about:
[20:13] <burnbrighter> ProviderInteractionError: Unexpected Error interacting with provider: 409 CONFLICT
[20:13] <burnbrighter> 2012-06-27 20:19:07,255 provision:maas: juju.agents.provision INFO: Starting machine id:10 ...
[20:13] <burnbrighter> 2012-06-27 20:19:07,471 provision:maas: juju.agents.provision ERROR: Cannot process machine 10
[20:13] <burnbrighter> I see lots of emails on it, but nothing that definitively says why I'm receiving this error
[20:14] <SpamapS> burnbrighter: you may have forgotten to set port in your environment.. or the constraints you have are not resolvable
[20:17] <burnbrighter> Thanks - which configuration file handles this?
[20:17] <burnbrighter> (this is for maas btw)
[20:18] <SpamapS> burnbrighter: yeah that only happens with MaaS .. it depends on what the problem is
[20:18] <SpamapS> burnbrighter: if its the port problem, its ~/.juju/environments.yaml
[20:18] <burnbrighter> trying to run openstack and none of the nodes will start
[20:18] <SpamapS> burnbrighter: if it is a constraints problem, you can resolve it with juju set-constraints
[20:19] <burnbrighter> you are right, I have no port set
[20:19] <burnbrighter> I am using the example from the documentation
[20:19] <burnbrighter> ah, no wait
[20:19] <SpamapS> burnbrighter: there's a fixed version of juju in precise-proposed I think
[20:19] <SpamapS> burnbrighter: it assumes 80 now ;)
[20:19] <burnbrighter> yeah, that's there:
[20:20] <burnbrighter> environments:
[20:20] <burnbrighter>   maas:
[20:20] <burnbrighter>     type: maas
[20:20] <burnbrighter>     maas-server: 'http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80/MAAS'
[20:20] <burnbrighter>     maas-oauth: 'XXXXXXX'
[20:20] <burnbrighter>     admin-secret: 'nothing'
[20:20] <burnbrighter>     default-series: precise
[20:20] <burnbrighter> does that look right? or should I be using the latest version of juju?
[20:22] <SpamapS> burnbrighter: 0.5+bzr531 should be fine
[20:24] <SpamapS> burnbrighter: dpkg -l juju to figure out the version
[20:27] <burnbrighter> so the environments.yaml looks ok?
[20:27] <burnbrighter> the nodes did their bootstrapping and cloud-inits fine. i could ssh to them and everything
[20:31] <SpamapS> burnbrighter: right, so when do you get that 409 ?
[20:31] <burnbrighter> just after I finished deploying all of the openstack stuff
[20:31] <burnbrighter> and exposing it
[20:32] <SpamapS> you may want to run 'juju -v whatever-causes-it' and possibly read /var/log/juju/provisioning-agent.log on machine 0 to figure out why
[20:32] <SpamapS> burnbrighter: my guess is not all of your services were able to deploy because of constraint problems
[20:33] <SpamapS> but I am not a MaaS expert :p
[20:33]  * SpamapS heads to lunch
[20:33] <SpamapS> burnbrighter: try #maas too
[20:33] <burnbrighter> thnx
[20:36] <juju-velocity-de> hi guys from velocity live
[20:36] <juju-velocity-de> -)
[20:37]  * zirpu .
[20:39] <zirpu> svg status graph done via graphviz?
[20:47] <zirpu> cs == charm store?
[20:47] <juju-velocity-de> zirpu:yes and yes
[21:48] <burnbrighter> Problem above identified - mass/juju REQUIRES 10 reachable nodes, I only had 6
[21:50] <SpamapS> burnbrighter: there is a hack you can do to consolidate a few onto node 0
[22:08] <SpamapS> burnbrighter: basically you can force mysql+rabbitmq+nova-cloud-controller+something-else onto node 0
[22:19] <SpamapS> imbrandon: hey did you get the openstack provider to work w/ hpcloud?
[22:19] <SpamapS> signed up today.. want to see how it goes
[22:31] <SpamapS> yes
[22:31] <SpamapS> hah doh
[22:31] <SpamapS> ssh fail
[22:37]  * SpamapS goes on a mission to fix the mediawiki charm
[23:02] <imbrandon> SpamapS: no
[23:17] <imbrandon> SpamapS: you get it working on hp ?
[23:17] <SpamapS> imbrandon: have not tried yet
[23:17] <SpamapS> imbrandon: just using the internal canonistack so far
[23:18] <imbrandon> hrm, sneek some hp time in i;d love to have someoen else fail too so i can get mine going
[23:18] <imbrandon> but beating my head on it alone , i just gave up
[23:23] <lifeless> jcastro: around ?
[23:23] <jcastro> hi
[23:23] <lifeless> jcastro: hey
[23:23] <lifeless> jcastro: so, are you still handing out tshirts for charms ?
[23:23] <jcastro> yeah
[23:23] <lifeless> cool, I can has?
[23:24] <jcastro> Yeah, mail me your shipping info
[23:24] <lifeless> \o/
[23:24] <jcastro> You get a handy dandy ubuntu mug as well
[23:24] <lifeless> https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/charms/precise/opentsdb/trunk btw
[23:25] <jcastro> k, just be responsive when a review comes in
[23:25] <imbrandon> those mugs are nice, i use mine daily :)
[23:25] <jcastro> the shirt is for when your charm is in the store itself
[23:25] <jcastro> but it's ok, I have this amazing feeling that SpamapS will drive that queue to zero today
[23:25]  * jcastro snickers
[23:26] <imbrandon> i was gonna do some reviews tonight for doc's merges so i may get some charms done too
[23:26] <imbrandon> jcastro: hows velocity
[23:26] <jcastro> pretty high end
[23:27] <jcastro> watching how they built Pinterest
[23:27] <imbrandon> jcastro: i got yout email too, but for what i do i would have to move to ireland, no thanks
[23:27] <imbrandon> heh
[23:27] <sidnei> duct tape and paper clips?
[23:27] <imbrandon> yea pintrest and instragram are both kick ass on the infra
[23:27]  * sidnei j/k
[23:33] <SpamapS> jcastro: tomorrow is my day isn't it?
[23:33] <SpamapS> jcastro: damn, I was planning on doing it tomorrow, silly me
[23:53] <zirpu> i've decided i need to upgrade from my old lenovo t61 laptop to something new and better.  anyone have suggestions?  or laptops that you're using and like?
[23:53] <zirpu> i've only got a measly 4gb memory. :-(
[23:53]  * zirpu really want's 1Tb just to feel snug.
[23:54] <thomi> zirpu: The system76 laptops are nice, especially the new ones, you no longer need to carry around a massive power brick
[23:56] <zirpu> i have one on my desk at work. i stopped carrying it around. it's just a friking desktop. huge.  it has 8g memory. :-)
[23:59] <SpamapS> hmm.. I wonder if charmers should have an official backports PPA


[00:00] <ubuntu298> ?
[00:00] <ubuntu298> i first time use xubuntu
[00:02] <knome> hrundel50, use greybird, that's the most complete GTK2+3 xfce theme. other than that, not much you can do
[00:02] <hrundel50> knome: Um. yep - that's what I use.
[00:03] <ubuntu298> greybird
[00:03] <ubuntu298> greybird theme ?
[00:03] <hrundel50> ubuntu298: yes. greybird is a theme.
[00:03] <spanther> is greybird integrated into the standard installation? :)
[00:04] <knome> spanther, yes
[00:05] <hrundel50> knome: um. I'm on fedora.
[00:05] <knome> hrundel50, maybe you can ask the fedora channels for more information
[00:06] <hrundel50> knome: I guess. They don't have separate "xfce" chnannel though which kinda sucks.
[00:06] <hrundel50> knome: I'll try them. thanks.
[01:16] <zus> can anyone please tell me how come my .py script
[01:17] <zus> wont  run
[02:45] <jmcantrell> anyone know if it's possible to open a directory with an app in thunar?
[02:46] <knome> what are you trying to achieve?
[02:46] <jmcantrell> knome: open a directory in gthumb
[02:47] <knome> doesn't it open the whole directory when you open an photo with it?
[02:48] <jmcantrell> i'm not sure
[02:48] <knome> well it should
[02:51] <jmcantrell> ok
[02:57] <jmcantrell> knome: do you know if it's possible to do sub menus with thunar custom actions?
[03:20] <zacarias> how do you get a list of all packages available on the repositories using a command line?
[03:44] <phunyguy> Is there a color scheme that mimicks the standard ubuntu theme for Xubuntu?
[03:46] <well_laid_lawn> phunyguy: you'll need a theme for that
[03:46] <well_laid_lawn> !themes
[03:51] <phunyguy> so far 0 for 1
[03:51] <phunyguy> it didnt change any panel colors.
[03:51] <well_laid_lawn> that's the gtk theme
[03:52] <phunyguy> DOH, my bad.
[03:52] <phunyguy> I feel sheepish
[03:52] <phunyguy> selected radiance instead of ambience by accident
[03:52] <well_laid_lawn> heh ;)
[03:52] <phunyguy> xD
[03:53] <jrbrtsn> Can anyone point me to some information about how to make my laptop suspend when I close the lid?
[03:54] <phunyguy> goodnight
[03:57] <holstein> jrbrtsn: down near the time, you should see a battery or a plug... the power applet... right click there and go to 'preferences'
[03:57] <holstein> poke around there and see what you can find
[04:00] <jrbrtsn> holstein, that pulls up the XFCE power manager configuration.  I've got the hibernate button action set to hibernate, and the suspend button action to suspend.
[04:04] <well_laid_lawn> it's not something I've done but I think you might need a udev rule for that
[04:11] <jrbrtsn> well_laid_lawn, I'll check that out.  I see that there is a script '/etc/acpi/lid.sh' that should get activated when the lid is closed.
[04:11] <well_laid_lawn> k
[04:29] <holstein> jrbrtsn: i find it in the GUI
[04:30] <holstein> http://imagebin.org/184427
[04:34] <jrbrtsn> holstein, thanks man - I've already got those set.  So far I've run acpi_listen, and determined that no acpi event is detected, so the GUI setting doesn't matter.
[04:35] <jrbrtsn> Must be something unique about my System76 panp6 laptop.
[04:35] <holstein> jrbrtsn: cool... i havent had to get dirty like that for a while
[04:36] <holstein> i do have a laptop thats not sleeping, but i havent had time to trouble shoot it yet
[04:36] <holstein> havent taken the time, i should say
[04:36] <jrbrtsn> holstein, thanks for the tips.  I think I'll send an email to System76 and see what they have to say.
[04:37] <holstein> i would probably install XFCE or xubuntu desktop on the OS they put together
[04:37] <holstein> or add their PPA or whatever it is
[04:43] <jrbrtsn> Giving up for the night ;-)
[06:05] <kharnov> Hi, I'd like to disable the popup notifications on Xubuntu 11.10. How can I do this?
[06:08] <well_laid_lawn> khaard: settings manager - notifications
[06:09] <well_laid_lawn> oops tab fail sorry khaard kharnov ^^
[06:09] <kharnov> I'm there, but there's no option to get rid of them.
[06:11] <kharnov> I see Theme, Default Position, Disappear after, Opacity.
[06:11] <well_laid_lawn> and setting disappear to 0 doesn't work either
[06:12] <kharnov> Yeah there's no option for 0.
[06:12] <well_laid_lawn> I typed in 0 and it changed to 1 when I closed it
[06:12] <kharnov> Yeah.
[06:15] <well_laid_lawn> kharnov: in xfce4-settings-editor you can set it to 0
[06:16] <kharnov> Nope, they still pop up.
[06:17] <well_laid_lawn> notifyd must override it maybe ask in #xfce if no one else in here knows
[06:18] <kharnov> If I kill the notifyd process, it starts up again.
[06:19] <kharnov> If I try to remove xfce4-notifyd's package, it requires me to remove blueman, update-notifier, and xubuntu-desktop.
[06:20] <kharnov> Actually, I don't think I need any of those, since xubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage.
[06:20] <kharnov> And I don't use bluetooth and I do all my updating with Synaptic anyway.
[06:20] <kharnov> Maybe that'll work.
[06:23] <kharnov> Yes! Removing it worked.
[06:23] <kharnov> Okay, problem solved.
[06:27] <well_laid_lawn> woot!
[09:28] <tjingboem> how can i change the color of the background in a program? Someone told me i have to change the theme but i see no diffrence
[09:29] <tjingboem> can it be that somehow portions of the theme ofa Kubuntu i had installed are used?
[09:30] <tjingboem> or does Xubuntu has its own theme managers and uses only that?
[09:38] <Guest88786> hi guy someone can explain me how to use gigolo? i'm a noob i want see shared folder on my windows xp
[10:22] <maxxxi> hi i cannot use gigolo... i wanna see shared folder i have on my xp  when i press connect i haven't windows share only personalizzed position
[12:30] <aceaccis> #xubuntu-offtopic
[12:30] <knome> ...is the offtopic channel
[12:30] <knome> type '/j #xubuntu-offtopic' to join it
[12:31] <aceaccis> thx got it just a C&P fo
[14:17] <gorthaug> hi
[14:17] <madnick> !hi
[14:18] <gorthaug> i've an problem in xubuntu 11.10 (full-updated), image viewer can't open my image files
[14:19] <madnick> which one?
[14:19] <madnick> do you get an error?
[14:21] <gorthaug> all formats (jpg, gif, png), i don't get error, when i try to open a file by double click the program start but don't show anything only the window, empthy
[14:22] <well_laid_lawn> start it from a terminal
[14:22] <well_laid_lawn> to get the errors
[14:23] <gorthaug> ok..
[14:24] <gorthaug> the program it's restretto, isn't?
[14:24] <well_laid_lawn> ristretto
[14:24] <knome> gorthaug, ristretto has problems in oneiric if you have thumbnailbar enabled. i suggest using gthumb for now
[14:25] <gorthaug> ok
[14:25] <gorthaug> i've thumbnailbar enabled
[14:25] <gorthaug> thanks
[14:25] <well_laid_lawn> didn't know that
[14:25] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[14:26] <knome> well_laid_lawn, it pretty much will freeze if you have thumbnailbar enabled :P
[14:26] <well_laid_lawn> ahh k
[14:32] <gorthaug> mmm another thing... my keywoard has and volume control... there is a way to make work this on xfce?
[14:32] <gorthaug> keyboard sorry :D
[14:33] <KrisDouglas> gorthaug, the volume control just works on mine, what keyboard is it/
[14:33] <KrisDouglas> ?
[14:36] <gorthaug> ufff... it's an HP... it's have almost 15 years :D
[14:37] <gorthaug> i don't see any model name
[14:37] <Sysi> gorthaug: you can add hotkeys in settings, command would be "amixer -q set Master 5%+"
[14:37] <Sysi> 5%- for lowering
[14:37] <well_laid_lawn> use xev to find the key and set a shortcut
[14:38] <Sysi> well_laid_lawn: if key isn'
[14:39] <Sysi> isn't recognised by xfce settings, where do you set hotkeys based on info from xev?
[14:40] <gorthaug> amixer -q set Master 5%+
[14:40] <gorthaug> mm
[14:40] <gorthaug> gorthaug@gorthaug-pc:~$ amixer -q set Master 5%+
[14:40] <gorthaug> amixer: Unable to find simple control 'Master',0
[14:40] <well_laid_lawn> Sysi: using xmodmap perhaps? never had that issue
[14:41] <Sysi> well_laid_lawn: well, you don't need info from xev if you use xfce settings then
[14:41] <well_laid_lawn> k
[14:43] <gorthaug> mmm i've 2 sound cards in my computer, one in the motherboard that i've "off" in the BIOS and a pci card... but alsamixer take the integrated card by default, how can i change this?
[14:44] <Sysi> install pavucontrol (and use pulseaudio, which is there by default)
[14:44] <ilja> can sb help me?
[14:44] <knome> ilja, with what? try asking first.
[14:44] <ilja> everytime i "apt-get update" my desktop symbols dissapear
[14:44] <ilja> how can i fix that
[14:48] <ilja> after "apt-get update" my desktop symbols dissapear- how to fix?
[14:48] <knome> !patience | ilja
[16:12] <spanther> hello there. I've installed the newest 11.10 and found 2 entries under proprietary drivers. one ati/amd as main entry and one said later updates. the main one I can install just fine but the later updates ever give out an error pointing at /var/log/jockey.log
[16:23] <phunyguy_work> OK so I am looking at xfce-look.org for some themes, and some say xfce, and some say gtk2.0, etc.  the GTK2.0 ones tend to look better, what is the difference?
[16:24] <phunyguy_work> spanther, I wouldnt bother with that
[16:24] <spanther> ok :)
[16:24] <phunyguy_work> had issues with them. One installed but didnt work correctly, the other wouldnt install
[16:24] <spanther> the main drivers just work fine (so far, as I can say) but these updates on the second line don't install correctly :/
[16:25] <phunyguy_work> up to you.
[16:25] <spanther> yep, I had installed the updates, then the main was uninstalled lol. then i reinstalled the main again :)
[16:25] <phunyguy_work> I use the non-restricted.
[16:25] <spanther> now i only use the main :)
[16:27] <spanther> but as you said, maybe the main don't work correctly too :/
[16:27] <spanther> I have to check this later with a graphical program or something like that
[16:28] <spanther> you use the open "radeon"?
[16:28] <phunyguy_work> whatever came with the OS
[16:29] <spanther> ah ok, so you have no 3D acceleration?
[16:29] <phunyguy_work> yes I do
[16:29] <phunyguy_work> and it works fantastic
[16:29] <phunyguy_work> HD 4550
[16:29] <spanther> which card if i may ask? :)
[16:29] <phunyguy_work> I am psychic
[16:29] <spanther> well I own a HD 6870
[16:30] <phunyguy_work> yeah you may need the good ones
[16:30] <phunyguy_work> I dont
[16:30] <spanther> lucky you :P
[16:30] <phunyguy_work> the only issue I had with the restricted driver, was dual monitors
[16:31] <phunyguy_work> couldn't get xrandr to expand the desktop without cloning
[16:31] <spanther> I only use one monitor at a time :) use my HDTV as big monitor for a year now lol
[16:31] <phunyguy_work> hah!
[16:32] <spanther> I had some weird bugs the last days under windows. sometimes (happened more than once) I opened my browser (firefox) windows just scrolled up and down randomly without doing anything O.o
[16:33] <spanther> I had a bad feeling and since I don't game anymore and enjoy the harddisk encryption I now completely switched to linux on all my machines :)
[16:33] <phunyguy_work> same.  Dont game much
[16:34] <spanther> I did once, but that's before DRM, activation and bugs at release killed gaming :P
[16:34] <phunyguy_work> thats what consoles are for
[16:34] <phunyguy_work> !offtopic
[16:34] <phunyguy_work> :d
[16:34] <phunyguy_work> :D*
[16:35] <spanther> come there :P
[17:04] <tjingboem> i freaked around with the Appearance Settings and lost my theme. How can i revert to standard theme of Xubuntu11.10?
[17:56] <phunyguy_work> OK so I am looking at xfce-look.org for some themes, and some say xfce, and some say gtk2.0, etc.  the GTK2.0 ones tend to look better, what is the difference?
[17:57] <ochosi> phunyguy_work: the xfce-themes are usually only window-manager themes. (at least if they got categorized correctly)
[18:01] <phunyguy_work> ochosi, I dont know what that means
[18:01] <ochosi> phunyguy_work: window-manager themes change your window-borders (the box that contains close, maximize, minimize, window-title etc.)
[18:02] <ochosi> phunyguy_work: gtk-themes change everything else
[18:02] <phunyguy_work> hmmm..  some of these have ppa repos to add, but they dont work
[18:02] <phunyguy_work> is that a common occurance?
[18:02] <phunyguy_work> they look really cool too :(
[18:09] <phunyguy_work> like this one.  http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Orta?content=134123
[18:09] <phunyguy_work> ochosi ^^
[18:11] <ochosi> phunyguy_work: most likely your xubuntu-version and the one supplied by the ppa don't match
[18:11] <ochosi> phunyguy_work: you can dl the theme though anyway, extract it and install it by hand (e.g. "sudo mv $themefolder /usr/share/themes/" if you want to install it systemwide)
[18:12] <cla_> qualche smanettone italiano?
[18:13] <phunyguy_work> !italian | cla_
[18:40] <phunyguy_work> I see some of those theme photos have these cool mac-style docs...  is that possible in Xubuntu?
[18:45] <baizon> yes it is
[19:10] <phunyguy_work> Oh man, this is looking fantastic.  got AWN installed, just need to get color themes right
[19:51] <Guest71358> How do I move the terminal icon from the drop down menu to the bar at the top?
[19:52] <Sysi> drag and drop (on 11.04 or 11.10)
[19:52] <Guest71358> I have lts
[19:53] <Sysi> add new items → launcher, command is xfce4-terminal, set others to be what you want
[19:55] <Guest71358> thank you.
[20:10] <phunyguy_work> So I seem to have broken window decorations...... how can I recoer it?
[20:10] <phunyguy_work> recover*
[20:12] <phunyguy_work> i cant change window focus, i have no titlebar, etc.  I can right click on the desktop and get the app menu but thats it
[20:13] <Sysi> xfwm4 --replace
[20:13] <Sysi> rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions and possibly save session on logout
[20:14] <alexeyy> my desktop doesn't work. When i try run it in terminal i get Segmentation fault. (sorry for my english)
[20:14] <phunyguy_work> OH MAN, fantastic!!!
[20:15] <phunyguy_work> genius, you are.
[20:20] <alexeyy> application menu doesnt work too
[20:23] <_empty> How do I get the "dock" back? I accidently deleted it and cant figure out how to get it back.. :P
[20:25] <phunyguy_work> Aaaand I am back in business.  Got AWN dock running perfect, and unity-style appmenu at the top replacing the window buttons
[20:35] <falken_> good evening all. I wonder if any of you guys would have time to look at my wireless networking issue. Detailed info on the following Ubuntu forums thread. SO far there is only one person replying and I would be interested in a wider opinion. thanks.
[20:36] <falken_> This is the url: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1881969
[20:42] <falken_> ok thanks anyway. night.
[22:03] <_empty> How do I get the "dock" back? I accidently deleted it and cant figure out how to get it back.. :P
[22:03] <knome> _empty, if you removed it, there's no easy way to get it back
[22:04] <_empty> I kinda removed the window..
[22:04] <_empty> And then it got removed..
[22:04] <_empty> Workspace 1 got removed then it disapeard.. :P
[22:04] <_empty> Maby I should just reinstall then.. :P
[22:05] <knome> nope
[22:07] <_empty> ?
[22:08] <knome> well, somebody should have the default panel configuration
[22:08] <knome> you could copy that
[22:08] <knome> i don't, so i'm unfortunately unable to help
[22:09] <_empty> knome: Ok, thanks for the help anyway!
[22:10] <Sysi> log out, press Ctrl Alt F6, log in, rm -rf .config/xfce4 exit and press Ctrl Alt F7
[22:10] <_empty> Testing!
[22:14] <_empty> Sysi: Thanks, worked just fine!
[22:18] <Sysi> np
[22:25] <jakob__> hello
[22:25] <jakob__> i came here b/c I have a question regarding xubuntu.
[22:25] <jakob__> (xubuntu.org/help sent me here)
[22:26] <jakob__> thing is: "Update Manager" is popping up, asking me to install upgrades.
[22:27] <jakob__> Is there a way to make this thing quiet? usually i would've used gconf-editor and disabled /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch. but that doesnt work anymore. Any tips?
[22:27] <Sysi> settings → sessiond and startup → autostart
[22:28] <Sysi> and possibly rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions
[22:28] <subspider> hi Sysi
[22:28] <subspider> :D
[22:28] <Sysi> oh hi
[22:29] <subspider> look sysi i have a laptop with xubuntu and i wanto to work with other keyboard
[22:29] <subspider> but it's not working
[22:29] <subspider> it's wireless
[22:29] <subspider> logitech
[22:29] <subspider> have any ideia
[22:29] <subspider> ??
[22:30] <Sysi> is it working somewhere else?
[22:30] <subspider> lloll good question
[22:30] <subspider> i'm going to try
[22:30] <subspider> lloll
[22:30] <Sysi> bluetooth/with usb receiver?
[22:32] <cr0ntab_> can someone help me with this?
[22:32] <cr0ntab_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/741697/
[22:32] <cr0ntab_> xfce-panel crashes when I add a 3rd panel and drag it to the bottom of my screen
[22:32] <cr0ntab_> everytime without fail
[22:33] <jakob__> xkb-keyboard layout crashes after wake from suspend
[22:33] <jakob__> i mean the applet
[22:33] <Sysi> cr0ntab_: you could try #xfce
[22:33] <jakob__> so, seems to me like the panel is kinda broken all together
[22:33] <cr0ntab_> Sysi: ok thanks
[22:34] <Sysi> I think xkb-plugin is pretty buggy, was unmaintained for quite a time
[22:34] <jakob__> or that
[22:34] <Sysi> I need to wake up for school in seven hours, good night everyone (I'm not only helper here after all)
[22:34] <jakob__> its a bummer. it was always nice to see which layout was active
[22:35] <jakob__> swell dreams
[22:36] <subspider> no Sysi
[22:36] <subspider> please
[22:36] <subspider> my keaboard works on windows
[22:36] <subspider> not on lnux


[06:02] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:07] <jibel> Good morning all
[06:20] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[06:50] <jpnurmi> good morning, hey jibel and oSoMoN
[07:03] <didrocks> good morning
[07:15] <jpnurmi> good morning didrocks
[07:16] <didrocks> hey jpnurmi
[07:34] <oSoMoN> good morning jpnurmi, didrocks
[07:35] <luna> morning
[07:36] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, hey luna
[07:38] <oSoMoN> morning luna
[07:44] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:45] <luna> morning seb128
[07:50] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:52] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:57] <seb128> hey luna, didrocks, oSoMoN, how are you?
[07:57] <luna> i am alright
[07:59] <oSoMoN> seb128, I could have used a couple of additional hours of sleep, but I'm good otherwise, how are you?
[07:59] <seb128> quite similar situation!
[08:01] <didrocks> I’m good :)
[12:07] <jbicha> good morning
[12:07] <seb128> jbicha, hey, how are you today?
[12:10] <jbicha> good, making progress on the osinfo-db updates
[12:10] <seb128> gr
[12:11] <seb128> great!
[12:12] <seb128> jbicha, adding the gpu option while at it?
[12:12] <jbicha> yes
[12:16] <seb128> 👍
[13:43] <seb128> jbicha, great to see the webkitgtk issue getting somewhere now!
[13:44] <seb128> jbicha, can your reopen the webkitgtk issue with the newer details?
[13:47] <jbicha> sure
[13:51] <jbicha> seb128: mcatanzaro is blaming this: https://salsa.debian.org/webkit-team/webkit/-/blob/wk2/unstable/debian/rules#L112-120
[14:04] <jbicha> so I'm going to need to file MIRs for libwpe and wpebackend-fdo (with main inclusion for 22.04 post-release if not done before) because webkitgtk will turn off the non-libwpe support because no one else uses it
[14:08] <jbicha> tjaalton: can we revert the mesa commit for jammy? Ubuntu is likely the only distro affected by the mesa change because we have been building webkitgtk without libwpe
[14:10] <didrocks> jbicha: that’s too late for 22.04, we are the only team pushing new MIRs that late in the cycle
[14:11] <jbicha> didrocks: I believe there is precedent for doing a universe->main promotion after release
[14:11] <didrocks> (supposively MIRs are before FF, the rest should be exceptions)
[14:11] <didrocks> it’s really rare and normally for projects Canonical maintains
[14:13] <jbicha> the justification is that we really need to upgrade webkit2gtk to new major releases every 6 months and this will probably be required for the update at the end of 2022
[14:14] <didrocks> I guess before doing the MIR, request a FFe
[14:14] <didrocks> as this is a change in the way things are built
[14:14] <didrocks> then, we can consider the MIR
[14:16] <seb128> didrocks, we hadn't been doing late MIRs this cycle did we? (putting that one aside which is under discussion)
[14:17] <seb128> jbicha, I don't think that rational holds, that's a built option provided by upstream, it ought to work or it's there issue if it doesn't
[14:18] <didrocks> seb128: there has been a lot of MIRs post-FF, if you want, I can get the list, but far from zero
[14:18] <didrocks> more than usual at least to me
[14:19] <didrocks> (and some with deadlines like "needs to be done in 2 weeks", while the MIR team doesn’t have capacity)
[14:20] <seb128> didrocks, ok, fair enough, probably not worth arguing. We had libadwaita which was small but jbicha had been trying to push for some other things and there had been xorg pieces which I guess you could consider desktopish or hwe depending of the perspective
[14:21] <seb128> I don't think desktop is worth than other teams but yeah we could probably improve things still
[14:22] <jbicha> seb128: I don't know what your rationale comment is referring to
[14:22] <seb128> jbicha, also daniel stone said on the mesa bug that they should probably also support make the code work with legacy clients
[14:23] <seb128> jbicha, the line of thinking of "it's our fault to be the only one to use an option provided by upstream"
[14:24] <seb128> we are probably not the only one, I bet if I spent time I could fine other projects or distro doing that
[14:24] <seb128> it's not a statement backed by facts
[14:24] <seb128> also I don't think it's helping us in the discussion
[14:24] <seb128> they provide the option, it should work, it's their bug
[14:25] <seb128> if they want to kill the option as a fix in a stable line rather than fix the issue it's their choice, not really a smart thing to do imho though
[14:25] <seb128> also mesa upstream agreed they should probably have support for legacy clients for a while
[14:25] <seb128> so the MIR seems plan C to me behind actually fixing webkit or make mesa more friendly to legacy code
[14:26] <jbicha> I agree
[14:26] <jbicha> the MIRs which I'll file shouldn't be needed this month. We should make the change for 22.10 and we may want it for 22.04 months from now
[14:27] <seb128> k
[14:29] <seb128> jbicha, I'm assuming that discussion was on #webkitgtk?
[14:29] <seb128> anyway I'm going to comment there
[14:30] <seb128> I wonder if building with wpe would also fix arm64
[14:30] <jbicha> I was thinking it might fix the arm64 issue, yes
[14:30] <jbicha> my discussion was mostly directly with Michael but I also chat some in #epiphany on GNOME's chat
[14:34] <jbicha> oh #webkitgtk does seem a better channel :)
[14:50] <KGB-2> libadwaita ubuntu/master bcf91f8 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/ control control.in patches/ubuntu/style-manager-Support-Yaru-accent-colors.patch * debian: Make interface settings optional when checking for Yaru * https://deb.li/WHmd
[14:59] <KGB-2> libadwaita ubuntu/master 123a46c Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/ control control.in patches/ubuntu/style-manager-Support-Yaru-accent-colors.patch * debian: Make interface settings optional when checking for Yaru * https://deb.li/34wpG
[14:59] <KGB-0> libadwaita pipeline Marco Trevisan 366522 * pending (piuparts: created; blhc: created; autopkgtest: created; lintian: created; reprotest: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; test-build-all: created; test-build-any: created; build source: created; build i386: created; build: created; extract-source: pending)
[14:59] <KGB-2> libadwaita pipeline Marco Trevisan 366522 * running (extract-source: running; piuparts: created; blhc: created; autopkgtest: created; lintian: created; reprotest: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; test-build-all: created; test-build-any: created; build source: created; build i386: created; build: created)
[15:06] <KGB-0> libadwaita pipeline Marco Trevisan 366518 * [15 minutes and 50 seconds] failed (piuparts: success; reprotest: failed; autopkgtest: failed; test-build-any: success; test-build-all: success; lintian: failed; test-crossbuild-arm64: failed; blhc: success; build: success; build i386: success; build source: success; extract-source: success)
[15:12] <tjaalton> jbicha: I'll try, a simple revert has conflicts
[15:13] <KGB-0> libadwaita pipeline Marco Trevisan 366522 * [14 minutes and 11 seconds] failed (piuparts: success; reprotest: failed; autopkgtest: success; test-build-any: success; test-build-all: success; lintian: failed; test-crossbuild-arm64: failed; blhc: success; build i386: success; build: success; build source: success; extract-source: success)
[16:31] <tjaalton> and fails to build
[19:10] <seb128> Trevinho, bug #1968213 might but worth checking
[19:15] <Trevinho> seb128: I'd say it's not a bug, in case you want to use a custom theme aren't we suggesting to use the GNOME session instead?
[19:15] <seb128> Trevinho, it seems a bit confusing that opening a panel reset your icon theme choice
[19:15] <Trevinho> seb128:  I mean, maybe we may not revert it if you didn't touch any theming options
[19:15] <Trevinho> but once you do...
[19:15] <seb128> right, that would be less confusing
[19:16] <Trevinho> or instead can just ignore changing the theme if it wasn't Yaru* before?
[19:16] <seb128> still a bit confusing imho but less
[19:16] <seb128> not an important bug, doesn't let me sidetrack you from more important work :)
[20:04] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 65cae54 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ series ubuntu/wayland-data-device-Allow-any-drag-timestamp-as-drag-star.patch * debian/patches: Allow any drag timestamp as drag start serial * https://deb.li/8BSh
[20:04] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 0b41b3d Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ series ubuntu/x11-Add-support-for-fractional-scaling-using-Randr.patch * debian/patches: Move x11-fractional scaling under ubuntu * https://deb.li/3NOXc
[20:30] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 540ef71 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ series core-Account-ClutterStage-grabs-on-Wayland-key-focus-sync.patch * debian/patches: Account ClutterStage grabs on Wayland key focus sync * https://deb.li/MXAs
[22:12] <KGB-2> gnome-shell-extension-easyscreencast signed tags 7f9d122 Samuel Henrique upstream/1.6.0 * Upstream version 1.6.0 * https://deb.li/3Z67A
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[22:19] <KGB-2> shell-extensionsess)


[12:06] <bshumate> well, bhuvan had suggested i use the role attribute for emphasis tags, and frankly, i have no idea how, and i hate to keep pestering him with questions! ;-)
[12:06] <mdke> pester him!
[12:06] <mdke> :)
[12:07] <mdke> thanks for your recent work bshumate, it's great to see new contributors such as yourself
[12:10] <bshumate> hey, i am having a ball!  really enjoying ubuntu on my thinkpad, and hoping for an edubuntu PPC version to try out with my kids!  this is by far my favorite Linux distro of all time!  i am happy to be a part of it, and finally start giving back to the community!
[12:14] <mdke> bshumate, awesome
[01:54] <LaserJock_meetin> mdke: ping?
[06:07] <bshumate> hey thanks for all the help bhuvan!  i am posting a mostly complete version of the server guide windows networking part in just a second
[06:26] <LaserJock> hi theCore
[06:26] <theCore> hi
[06:28] <theCore> LaserJock, i started to make the guide in multiple files already
[06:28] <LaserJock> theCore: cool
[06:30] <LaserJock> theCore: I became a Ubuntu member this morning so I hope that I will be able to commit to the doc-team repo soon
[06:30] <theCore> LaserJock, you will need to fill the legal stuff because i don't know what to put
[06:30] <theCore> LaserJock, nice
[06:30] <LaserJock> theCore: no problem, we just need content right now ;-)
[06:31] <theCore> LaserJock, so what did you got ?
[06:33] <theCore> LaserJock, do you have additional privileges?
[06:40] <theCore> LaserJock, do you think it would be good to merge the Introduction into Getting Started ?
[06:41] <LaserJock> theCore: not sure. we will have to see.
[06:42] <LaserJock> theCore: you have to be a member before you can be a MOTU and I think you also get a @ubuntu.com email address and irc hostname cloak
[06:43] <theCore> LaserJock, cool
[06:44] <theCore> LaserJock, i hope i could be too a ubuntu member
[06:45] <theCore> LaserJock, how much time it took you to become a Ubuntu member ?
[06:47] <LaserJock> right now I am working on a email to the ubuntu-motu mailing list asking for feedback on our outline
[06:47] <LaserJock> theCore: you need to have contributed for about 2 months
[06:49] <theCore> LaserJock, it isn't too long, I though it was 1 or 2 years of active contribution :)
[06:50] <theCore> LaserJock, good idea
[06:56] <theCore> LaserJock, there is quite a lot of docs about packaging on the wiki ...
[07:01] <LaserJock> theCore: yes, that is good an bad
[07:05] <theCore> LaserJock, why ?
[07:15] <LaserJock> theCore: well, it is good to have info, but on the wiki info can get scattered and can be out-dated or incorrect sometimes
[07:16] <theCore> LaserJock, ah okay
[07:18] <LaserJock> theCore: I think the wiki is better as a drawing board and collaboration tool before making things more permanent and polished
[07:19] <theCore> LaserJock, that what I though, writing in DocBook in quite unnatural
[07:28] <theCore> LaserJock, does it happen to you sometime to get the "gobbing character" bug in gedit ?
[07:28] <LaserJock> theCore: I don't use gedit very much so I haven't seen that
[07:42] <LaserJock> theCore: ok, I gotta get to bed. Email me what you've done so far when you have the chance.
[07:44] <theCore> LaserJock, okay
[07:45] <theCore> LaserJock, good night
[07:45] <LaserJock> good night
[07:51] <jjesse> anyone around?
[07:53] <Burgwork> yep
[08:01] <jjesse> just seems awful quiet :0
[08:06] <Burgwork> been not working on Ubuntu recently
[08:07] <jjesse> me either, been really busy w/ work and stuff
[08:28] <LaserJock> mdke: ping?
[08:40] <mdke> LaserJock, pong
[08:41] <mdke> actually, no, brb
[08:41] <mdke> (sorry)
[08:43] <LaserJock> lol
[09:31] <LaserJock> hi theCore
[09:31] <theCore> LaserJock, hi
[09:32] <theCore> LaserJock, anything new ?
[09:33] <LaserJock> theCore: not really. I'm busy with real life work, etc. I haven't got much of a reply from the MOTU yet but probably take a bit.
[09:34] <theCore> LaserJock, are you chemist?
[09:35] <LaserJock> theCore: yes, 4th Phd student in Physical Chemistry
[09:36] <LaserJock> 4th year, that is
[09:36] <theCore> LaserJock, wow, i wanna be a chemist too
[09:37] <LaserJock> theCore: really, cool
[09:37] <theCore> LaserJock, or something related to science
[09:38] <theCore> LaserJock, yea, i even pushed my college entry by 1 year, just to get Natural Science course
[09:39] <LaserJock> cool
[09:49] <mdke> LaserJock, now, sup?
[09:49] <LaserJock> mdke: well, I got membership yesterday
[09:49] <mdke> yeah cool, sorry about my failure to turn up
[09:50] <LaserJock> mdke: np, I made it pretty easily I think. They didn't even ask me any questions really
[09:50] <mdke> :)
[09:50] <mdke> knew it
[09:52] <LaserJock> I also emailed the ubuntu-motu mailing list about the packaging guide.
[09:52] <LaserJock> theCore and I worked on an outline at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/Outline
[09:53] <mdke> rocking
[09:58] <jjesse> LaserJock: that outline looks great
[09:58] <LaserJock> mdke: I think perhaps jgotangco emailed elmo about getting me commit acesss to the repo
[09:59] <LaserJock> jjesse: thanks, feel free to send feedback
[10:00] <mdke> cool
[10:00] <mdke> LaserJock, that should be done via an rt request
[10:00] <LaserJock> mdke: ?
[10:02] <mdke> application for commit access should be done via an rt request, if possible
[10:02] <LaserJock> mdke: what is rt?
[10:02] <mdke> it is the system of admin requests that canonical have
[10:02] <mdke> i guess it is "request tracker"
[10:03] <LaserJock> mdke: so do I need to do anything for that?
[10:03] <mdke> LaserJock, maybe jerome did that
[10:03] <jjesse> request tracker is www.bestpractical.com product
[10:03] <jjesse> its a great helpdesk software
[10:03] <jjesse> we use it at work
[10:04] <HrdwrBoB> we used perldesk
[10:05] <HrdwrBoB> (though at that stage it was free and we heavily modified it)
[10:08] <LaserJock> mdke: so should I join the ubuntu-doc LP team?
[10:08] <mdke> sure
[10:14] <LaserJock> theCore: what sections have you worked on so far?
[10:14] <theCore> LaserJock, the preface, the intro, and toc
[10:15] <jjesse> do you guys need someone to commit something?
[10:15] <theCore> LaserJock, but they really beta right now
[10:15] <LaserJock> theCore: k
[10:15] <LaserJock> jjesse: I think we are early enough that we will wait until I get commit access
[10:15] <jjesse> LaserJock: that's cool, i can commit if you need it
[10:15] <LaserJock> as theCore said, it's pretty beta right now ;-)
[10:15] <LaserJock> jjesse: thanks for the offer
[10:27] <theCore> LaserJock, editing a DocBook is really a nightmare ... every single tag must be correctly used or the whole thing don't work
[10:28] <mdke> :)
[10:28] <mdke> perfectionism :)
[10:29] <theCore> mdke, maybe ...
[10:29] <LaserJock> theCore: if you want you can just work on the actual content and let me worry about the Docbook until you get comfortable with it
[10:31] <Burgwork> mdke, shall I approve LaserJock into the LP doc team?
[10:31] <mdke> Burgwork, sure thing
[10:31] <theCore> LaserJock, i'm quite ok with the DocBook format, the thing is if I want to anything to the formating I need to make sure every tags I remove or add are correctly closed
[10:31] <Burgwork> mdke, LaserJock approved
[10:31] <mdke> :)
[10:31] <mdke> cool thanks Burgwork
[10:31] <Burgwork> np
[10:32] <LaserJock> Burgwork: thanks a lot
[10:34] <Burgwork> LaserJock, welcome aboard!
[10:37] <LaserJock> thank you guys for letting me work on this. It is lots of fun.
[10:39] <LaserJock> I know, I know. It is nice to be able to work on the things that you find frustrating though
[10:39] <LaserJock> I would much rather help than sit around complaining
[11:20] <Burgwork> finding rpms is total mess of FC
[11:20] <mdke> :)
[11:21] <Burgwork> for instance, I cannot find a good source for updated gcompris rpms


[20:42] <bswift> i'm trying to customize a CentOS image, and I've never used cloud-init before.   I prefer to configure it properly rather than nuke it.  default_user - is configured in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.   I'd like to remove that entry via this "user data" method. Expecting to drop a file that overrides default configs..  am I on the right path?
[21:50] <bswift> ah, found the clouds.cfg.d folder.   that works for me..   must learn more about cloud-init..  love it :)


[05:32] <nuvolari> welcome back everyone
[05:35] <superfly> morning nuvolari
[05:49] <nuvolari> morning superfly
[05:50] <maiatoday> hi all
[06:25] <Kilos> morning superfly and everyone else
[06:26] <superfly> hey Kilos
[06:26] <Kilos> i need some help please. if i minimise anything it disappears/hides is there a way i can fix it
[06:26] <Kilos> how you superfly and the family?
[06:27] <superfly> Kilos: sounds like you removed the task manager from your lower panel?
[06:27] <Kilos> we have had a few power cuts in the last 2 weeks and it started after one of them
[06:28] <Kilos> where do i find this task manager please?\
[06:28] <superfly> Kilos: I don't use Gnome, so I don't know, but in most DE's, you just right-click the panel where you want it, and then select "add" or "customise" or something like that
[06:30] <Kilos> ty superfly i will look for it. i member after one power cut it lucid asked if it must recover lotsa stuff and i thought it meant programs i had open so i said no
[06:30] <Kilos> since then i got the prob
[06:30] <Kilos> lol
[06:30] <Kilos> i learn the hard way
[06:33] <Kilos> maybe its got another name in gnome
[06:33] <Kilos> i find no task manager
[06:33] <superfly> i saw in a thread somewhere that you need to add the "application menu" ?
[06:34] <Kilos> i check quick
[06:35] <Kilos> hmm i only got an application launcher. will see what that does
[06:38] <superfly> Kilos: you need to add the Window List
[06:42] <Kilos> ty very much superfly  its working again
[06:42] <Kilos> you didnt say how the family is
[06:43] <superfly> Kilos: we're fine, but I think we're looking forward to a bit of a break at the end of the year
[06:43] <Kilos> yeah must be. been a long busy year hey
[06:43] <superfly> yup
[06:46] <Kilos> i will pop in and out. xchat alone has used 100kB in 15 mins. have a good day everyone
[06:46] <Kilos> quick coffee
[06:46] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[06:46]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[06:48] <Kilos> im even learning to play mahjongg
[06:48] <Kilos> hehe
[06:50] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[06:50] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie baie
[06:50] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[06:50] <Kilos> grrr
[06:50] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks alot
[06:50] <Maaz> Kilos: np
[06:51] <Kilos> cheers all please be good
[07:29] <nlsthzn> morning
[07:29] <oomkoos> morning
[07:30] <nlsthzn> anyone here clues up with uploading torrents?
[07:31] <superfly> nope, I don't generally torrent
[07:32] <nlsthzn> so annoying... not sure if i am doing something wrong, if it is the client or what :( with SA's internet prices I can believe not many use torrents
[07:35] <superfly> nlsthzn: plenty people do, it's just that I don't partake in piracy, and thus the number of useful torrents for me is almost negligable
[07:38] <oomkoos> piracy is wrong... but i love doing it anyway :D
[07:38] <superfly> oomkoos: yes, so you're one of the many that makes this worse for people like me who try to do things right
[07:39] <nlsthzn> superfly: trying to upload a linux distro torrent actually :)
[07:40] <superfly> nlsthzn: I never accused you of piracy... just said that it is the reason most people torrent
[07:42] <nlsthzn> superfly: I know, was just saying... I need help for a noble cause :p
[07:42] <superfly> haha
[07:43] <linuxboy> apparently facebook use torrents to distribute their deployments
[07:43] <superfly> nlsthzn: I honestly don't know... I know people have torrent files, and those need to have "announce" urls, but that's about as far as I know
[07:44] <oomkoos> ten to one superfly. not a fan of pirating software & games. i do torrent quite a few series. and whenever i CAN afford to buy the original i do so. But series box sets are insanely priced
[07:44] <nlsthzn> superfly: I suspect that the announce is where I am also failing
[07:45] <superfly> oomkoos: indeed, I know, I've bought the whole of one series... over about 6 or 7 months
[07:48] <oomkoos> yes it takes time and respect to you for doing that. you'll find quite a lot of original material in my house ranging from music to dvd's to xbox games and series. my mentality is not that "why should i pay if i can get it for free" but for the value of entertainment i think i would have died of boredom many many years ago if it wasn't for series and movies you either got from friends or downloaded yourself. not trying to justify wha
[07:50] <oomkoos> nlsthzn try uploading your torrent to a well known site. let them do the announcing part. you need a site which can track where what is of the torrent
[07:55] <superfly> oomkoos: why are you explaining all this to me?
[08:04] <nlsthzn> oomkoos: a few years ago I got rid of all my pirate stuff... a big black bag full of cd/dvd's and yes, I am uploading to a tracker site
[08:04] <oomkoos> superfly: like i said... just putting it out there :) also i'm bored stiff at work. so pick one :D
[08:06] <oomkoos> nlsthzn: what tracker site? how many connected to your torrent? any errors?
[08:09] <nlsthzn> www.linuxtracker.com and I can upload the file, others can get it but I am the initial seeder and my client is seeding but nobody is recieving this initial seed
[08:09] <superfly> nlsthzn: most probably because no one knows about it?
[08:10] <oomkoos> nlsthzn: what is the name of the torrent?
[08:12] <nlsthzn> :) there is a demand for them... the problem is the link to my client seeding isn't being made... I upload the file, then I download it, normally my client will see I am seeding it already and then add my info and then everyone else sees me as the seeder, but now when I re-download the torrent file my client starts downloading the file anew... and then nobody else sees me as the initial seeder
[08:17] <oomkoos> sounds like the original file source and download destination are different
[08:19] <nlsthzn> oomkoos: they are... oO my default save for downloading torrents is different from the place I uploaded it from
[08:19] <nlsthzn> oh wow
[08:19] <nlsthzn> if it is going to be so easy...
[08:19] <nlsthzn> let me check
[08:25] <nlsthzn> didn't work, however... all I did was to download the torrent I uploaded... it verified the iso on disc and then this new file I am seeding is showing me as a seeder
[08:25] <nlsthzn> so it works
[08:25] <nlsthzn> thanks for all the assistance
[08:25] <oomkoos> glad it works
[13:42] <harmony1001> empathy 2.32.1 does not support the /msg command the command is not available when i type /help? how do i register my nickname?
[13:46] <maiatoday> harmony1001: o DPM
[13:46] <maiatoday> oops
[13:46] <maiatoday> sorry
[13:46] <maiatoday> there may be a configuration for the account in empathy that will do the register
[13:47] <maiatoday> harmony1001: I don't have it open here but let me run up a virtual box for you
[13:49] <maiatoday> ok no I'll have to try to remember I think there was a place when you create the irc account to add a password
[13:49] <maiatoday> then it will do the command when it connects in the beginning
[13:51] <harmony1001> maiatoday: where do i specify my email address? there is space for a password in account add!
[13:53] <maiatoday> not sure
[13:54] <maiatoday> ok wait, I think the password is used when you have already registered
[13:54] <maiatoday> just to identify yourself
[13:55] <maiatoday> do you get a conversation with nickserv when you log in
[13:55] <maiatoday> you may be able to type the bit after the /msg command in the nickserv conversation
[13:55]  * maiatoday hasn't used empathy for irc for ages
[13:56] <maiatoday> or otherwise is there a menu way to create a conversatino with nickserv
[13:56] <harmony1001> maiatoday: what client do you use
[13:56] <maiatoday> weechat
[13:56] <maiatoday> but I am at work now so I use pidgin
[13:57] <maiatoday> unfortunately at work there is no ubuntu
[13:58] <maiatoday> but if anyone else was here they would suggest their favourite irc client, it is a contensious topic :)
[14:07] <confluency> harmony1001: Have you *tried* /msg?
[14:07] <confluency> harmony1001: yeah, also try opening a chat window to nickserv.
[14:08] <confluency> Otherwise, you can register from a different client, or mibbit.  It's a server thing, not a client thing.
[16:07] <Morganvd> howdie all
[18:22] <nuvolari> howdie Morganvd
[18:22]  * nuvolari tips hat
[19:31] <nlsthzn> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/dec/14/chrome-os-richard-stallman-warning
[19:34] <Tonberry> agreed
[19:34] <Tonberry> the cloud scares me
[19:39] <nlsthzn> It is so white and FLUFFY!
[19:39] <Tonberry> altho the last comment about loic seems incorrect
[19:39] <Tonberry> its on sourceforge
[19:39] <Tonberry> with source
[19:40] <Tonberry> or at least an svn...
[19:40] <Tonberry> that most likely contains source....
[19:41] <nlsthzn> don't know about that...
[20:16] <inetpro_> good evening