[07:19] <garryF> I got the same error 17 from grub when it pegged the wrong drives for the boot of my oses. Some find it says too boot at /dev/hda,1 when it should be /dev/hda,0.
[07:19] <Lynoure> kleedrac: some of those should prolly have the solution, even the first one looked promising
[07:19] <Madpilot> kleedrac, check the wiki at help.ubuntu.com/community, there's a rotating wallpaper thing there somewhere, I think - can't remember the page
[07:19] <czer323> timboteam> understandable.  Well, let's have a look at your key.  can you tell if it's 10 or 26 characters long?
[07:20] <timboteam> It is 10
[07:20] <tdionne> hello, is this the right place to seek help with an ubuntu desktop installation?
[07:20] <timboteam> And my router settings says its a 64 bit 10 hex digits
[07:20] <timboteam> But there isnt an option for that on the network manager
[07:20] <thoreauputic> tdionne: yep
[07:20] <eFoX> what does "ROOT has been mounted 20 times without being checked, check forced" mean ?
[07:20] <czer323> temobteam> what options is it giving you?
[07:20] <tdionne> thoreauputic: thanks :
[07:20] <DShepherd> AltGr <-- which key is that?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> eFoX: it means the system is checking your filesystem
[07:21] <q_a_z_steve> Every time I run the install no matter how I part out my 120GB drive, it says it needs 400MB for the CD files. I checked the file integrity last night and everything is fine!
[07:21] <P0ldy> eFoX, it means that the filesystem is being checked for errors (ext3 for example usually does checks every 30 mounts)
[07:21] <timboteam> Its giving me WEP 64/128 bit hex, WEP 128-bit passphrase, and wep 64/128-bit ASCII
[07:21] <q_a_z_steve> Why does my install fail?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> eFoX: every so many boots it does a check
[07:21] <tdionne> i'm installing on a thinkpad T42
[07:21] <timboteam> Then I type the key and i have to select open system or Shared key
[07:21] <czer323> efox> it's just a safety check.
[07:21] <eFoX> oic, thanks
[07:21] <kleedrac> Madpilot/Lynoure: They both seem to be scripts (or on the wiki a c app to be compiled) which you run and they sleep x seconds then switch wallpapers ... I'm kinda hoping for a preference replacement for gnome itself or do you guys think I'm asking too much :)
[07:21] <czer323> timboteam> open will probalby work.
[07:22] <thoreauputic> !msg
[07:22] <ubotu> Please ask your messages in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[07:22] <Madpilot> kleedrac, Gnome itself doesn't have such a thing, afaik. You could file a wishlist bug w/ the Ubuntu bugtracker, if you want
[07:22] <q_a_z_steve> I'm installing on a Gateway Direct P3 with 384 RAM and 120GB HDD.
[07:22] <czer323> eFox> btw, did you try to boot to windows and see if the card worked there?
[07:23] <kazil> ok. it says i need gstreamer0.8-mad for mp3 on ubuntu 5.10 breezy badger. where`s that? i can`t locate it.
[07:23] <eFoX> GOT IT !!!
[07:23] <eps> kleedrac, one does exist for gnome, I found it via google the other day, don't remember my string sorry
[07:23] <tdionne> i choose to auto partition my hard drive, and all looks good
[07:23] <czer323> efox> super sweet, what changed?
[07:23] <q_a_z_steve> thoreauputic: anything?
[07:23] <tdionne> but then it fails creating the root filessystem
[07:23] <kleedrac> eps: So you're actual "Desktop Wallpaper" preference pane had that option now?
[07:23] <timboteam> AAAA CZER I GOT IT
[07:23] <timboteam> IM ON THE INTERNET
[07:24] <thoreauputic> q_a_z_steve: u think you need a more specifi question with information about how it fails
[07:24] <dsas> kazil: Do you have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled?
[07:24] <Madpilot> kazil, that's in Universe
[07:24] <q_a_z_steve> Why does it ask for 400 more MB and fail when the CD is fine and my parts are all over 2GB?
[07:24] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell kazil about repos
[07:24] <eFoX> czer323: it was really gay..but..i have a wifi on/off button but its like a digital switch or something. In windows to concern battery i turned it off while i was doing something, but never turned it back on. I ASSUMED that it was only for XP, but it seems to be tied into the bios or something
[07:24] <tdionne> when the partitioner runs again it shows a warning sign and asks if I've installed the right plugins for the filesystem
[07:24] <eps> kleedrac, no, just does it
[07:25] <DShepherd> AltGr <-- which key is that?
[07:25] <czer323> timboteam> super sweet!  cool.  just took a little know how.
[07:25] <eps> kleedrac, file a feature request for it in gnome 2.15
[07:25] <eFoX> czer323: so when you said if i have another OS, i rememberd turning that off, and i went and turned it back on and its good now
[07:25] <garryF> timboteam You are not on the internet, you are dreaming that your problem is fixed and will wake up to find you have pullled half your hair out. j/k. Seriously, Congrats!
[07:25] <kazil> i`ve got no internet connection with ubuntu so i need to dl it from xp then to copy it to mem stick then to ubuntu
[07:25] <czer323> eFox> awesome.  I woudl have never guessed that though.  SO, i'm glad you figured it out.
[07:25] <thoreauputic> q_a_z_steve: perhaps you defined your / partition incorrectly ?
[07:26] <eFoX> czer323: ya honestly. I prob wouldnt even have thought bout it. thanks for throwing out " do you have another OS" out there !
[07:26] <Cntryboy> Hey ya'll I just installed wine, now how exactly do I get it up and running? I want to install pokerstars poker program for windows
[07:26] <garryF> I have noticed that every time I slam my fist down on the keyboard, the keys I need the most are the ones that fly off and land in god forsaken places in the living room where I will never find them.
[07:26] <timboteam> Hahaha thankyou garryf
[07:27] <Hoxzer_> Cntryboy: try winecfg
[07:27] <czer323> Alright, my time to ask questions. lol
[07:27] <garryF> I do find them by loosing my hampster for the evening and checking its stash.
[07:28] <q_a_z_steve> first is /boot 5GB, then / 25G , /home 35G, swap 2G , /windows (Fat32 if this is my problem I'm going to kill myself) 53G =120. I've also tried EXT3 / as 80 GB and the rest /windows
[07:28] <tdionne> does anyone know what I could do get the installation working?
[07:28] <Yonda> dooglus, I have installed x11vnc. With some online documentation I was reading, it says to add some options to '~/.x11vncrc', but im not sure where thats located...
[07:28] <czer323> I need to install something on an old Pentium 133, 16Mb ram, 10gb hd.  I can't get ubuntu on it for the life of me.  It bombshells while even starting from cd with a huge kernel panic and long dump.  Knoppix can startup, but it complains about not enough ram for running X11.  Any other suggestions for a GUI os, without resorting to Win95?
[07:28] <robert_> where does ubuntu stick courier-imap's configuration files?
[07:28] <lightstar> Yonda, its in your home folder
[07:29] <thoreauputic> czer323: Damn Small Linux
[07:29] <ximian> czer323 dsl
[07:29] <kinnetica> hi, i installed ubuntu for the first time today, and for some reason my touchpad is really sensitive.  Is there any way to change this option?
[07:29] <philipacamaniac> anyone using Gnome CVS?
[07:29] <HedgeMage> czer323: the only gui I've run with so little ram is FVWM on gentoo or DSL
[07:29] <ddrj> when they say (hd0,2), that means that it's Hardrive 0, partition 2 right?
[07:29] <thoreauputic> ddrj: first hd, third part
[07:29] <thoreauputic> ddrj: grub starts at zero
[07:30] <garryF> Its actually zero based ddrj
[07:30] <ddrj> ohhh ok thanks thoreauputic :)
[07:30] <czer323> thanks guys, I'll start looking into that.
[07:30] <ddrj> and garryF, haha i think i understand where i went wrong
[07:30] <Cntryboy> hoxzer thanks it brought it up
[07:30] <Cntryboy> let me download a newer pokerstars so I dont have to update brb
[07:30] <robert_> bah
[07:30] <kaizoku> The install CD keeps hanging up while it's trying to Mount the root file system
[07:30] <czer323> Also, here's another quirk. Whenever I press shift and backspace at the same time, my x11 sessions resets just like if I pressed alt-ctrl-backspace/delete
[07:30] <garryF> ddrj Good luck with that.
[07:31] <robert_> where the eff does Ubuntu stick courier-imap's configuration files?
[07:31] <philipacamaniac> if I want to apply a patch to gnome-screensaver, what else do I have to recompile?
[07:31] <Cntryboy> should I use the link to download for IE or netscape.. all I have is firefox
[07:31] <burntsigil> Anyone here use k9copy to burn DVDs?
[07:32] <ubuntu> what is this place
[07:32] <Lynoure> Cntryboy: No IE for ubuntu, and FF is not half bad
[07:32] <robert_> nobody knows/
[07:32] <bimberi_> ubuntu: this is Ubuntu's IRC (Internet Relay Chat) support channel
[07:32] <Cntryboy> well I clicked on the IE download link
[07:32] <Cntryboy> its downloading to desktop so I guess it doesn't matter
[07:32] <eFoX> i just learned something new...IF YOU COMMENT EVERYTHING IN YOUR /ETC/NETWORK/INTERFACE file, your load up takes FOREVER and even appears to "freeze"
[07:33] <robert_> heh
[07:33] <q_a_z_steve> thoreauputic: anything?
[07:33] <kaizoku> The install CD keeps hanging up while it's trying to Mount the root file system
[07:33] <robert_> kaizoku: check your ram
[07:33] <czer323> Here's another quirk. Whenever I press shift and backspace at the same time, my x11 sessions resets just like if I pressed alt-ctrl-backspace/delete
[07:34] <thoreauputic> q_a_z_steve: 1) why do you think I have an answer? 2) I suggested you might check to see if you defined your / partition right in the installer
[07:34] <kaizoku> robert_:what about it?
[07:34] <Bot_Builder> A friend of mine is going to install windows vista beta pretty soon, and I want to get him to try out ubuntu - he should install ubuntu first right?
[07:34] <DaSkreech> I tried to boot my Kubuntu drive from another machine and couldn't mount the root file system
[07:34] <ddrj> so if my partition manager says Partition 1, hard disk 0, in GRUB it will be : (hd0,1) or (hd0,0)
[07:34] <kaizoku> robert_: it
[07:34] <DaSkreech> How come ?
[07:34] <Lynoure> czer323: report as a bug?
[07:34] <Bot_Builder> (dual boot ubuntu and vista)
[07:34] <kaizoku> robert_: it's been memtested, and it
[07:34] <kaizoku> 's fine
[07:34] <philipacamaniac> czer323: are you using Xgl/compiz? That happens if you are, and you don't change a certain setting.
[07:34] <robert_> hm
[07:34] <Cntryboy> I just got the pokerstars I already had, now how do I use wine to install this?
[07:34] <KenSentMe> Bot_Builder: better install vista first and then ubuntu of you want dual boot
[07:34] <steev-dell> sigh
[07:34] <bimberi> Bot_Builder: install windows first usually
[07:35] <q_a_z_steve> thoreauputic: it's EXT3 always, boot flag=yes, what else is there? 25 GB...
[07:35] <czer323> philipacmaniac> You're seroius?  shift and backspace restarts it?
[07:35] <Cntryboy> add application?
[07:35] <Bot_Builder> oh, ok then
[07:35] <Bot_Builder> good thing i asked :)
[07:35] <philipacamaniac> czer323: yeah, hang a sec. I remember a forum thread that mentioned it.
[07:35] <q_a_z_steve> I'm not able to look at it at the moment...
[07:35] <mog> hello
[07:35] <kazil> argh...
[07:36] <mog> I'm having some trouble installing ubuntu
[07:36] <Cntryboy> does anyone know how to install this pokerstars with wine?
[07:36] <Cntryboy> ive never used wine b4
[07:36] <mog> i'm trying to do a clean install, and I let ubuntu pick the partition settings itself. It stops at 15% and says cannot create file system though.
[07:37] <kaizoku> mog, where do you live?
[07:37] <mog> US
[07:37] <kaizoku> sorry, but there's someone I know named mog, and it just seems like an odd name
[07:37] <mog> heh
[07:37] <philipacamaniac> czer323: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131253
[07:37] <philipacamaniac> doh!
[07:37] <kaizoku> is mog your initials?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Can I get Linux to boot from my hard  drive on another computer?
[07:37] <mog> nope
[07:37] <kaizoku> ok, nvm
[07:37] <Cntryboy> no one knows?
[07:37] <garryF> Hmmm, might use something to mke sure that hard drive isn't dying Mog.
[07:38] <philipacamaniac> czer323: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131253
[07:38] <kaizoku> The install CD keeps hanging up while it's trying to Mount the root file system, and I don't know what to do....
[07:38] <Bot_Builder> hmm, I'm curious about vista as well (blasphemy, I know), but i'd really rather not screw up my ubuntu install...
[07:38] <Cntryboy> I'm awefully tired :(
[07:38] <philipacamaniac> czer323: number 8
[07:38] <eps> Cntryboy, install wine, double click the exe
[07:38] <czer323> philipiamaniac> i just did it two times whiel trying to type a message to you.  they can't keep this.
[07:38] <Cntryboy> does anyone know how to use wine to install window apps?
[07:38] <mog> i can try it on a different computer tomorrow to check if its localized to this comp
[07:38] <kaizoku> The install CD keeps hanging up while it's trying to Mount the root file system on the 64 bit install CD, and I don't know what to do....
[07:38] <q_a_z_steve> !networkinstall > DaSkreech
[07:38] <ubotu> I know nothing about networkinstall
[07:38] <Cntryboy> I did install wine
[07:38] <philipacamaniac> OMGWTFBBW HAHAHA
[07:38] <philipacamaniac> j/k
[07:38] <Cntryboy> and tried to double click the .exe
[07:38] <Cntryboy> didn't work
[07:38] <philipacamaniac> see the forum post
[07:38] <Yonda> lightstar, It's not in my home folder.  Anyone ever recompiled gnome-screensaver?
[07:41] <lightstar> Yonda, you need to create the file .x11vncrc
[07:41] <Cntryboy> okay that command works
[07:41] <q_a_z_steve> DaSkreech: do what I did, make the drive your master and then bootpart.
[07:41] <Cntryboy> eps should I install it c:\Program Files\PokerStars
[07:41] <eps> philipacamaniac, follow the gnome manual
[07:41] <eps> RTFM
[07:41] <Cntryboy> or choose some where else since linux dont have that dir
[07:41] <eps> Cntryboy, nfi, do what you wantr
[07:41] <Diem> So anyone have any idea's why my internet might be going so slow with ubuntu?
[07:41] <Yonda> lightstar, and then put it in the home folder?
[07:41] <alth> Hey guys. Trying to get Quake2 to run, keeps giving me errors...
[07:41] <garryF> Wine does emulate one aspect of windows pretty well. The confusing error messages and bugs.
[07:42] <alth> No joysticks found - recursive shutdown -Error: Couldn't load pics/colormap.pcx
[07:42] <robert_> heh
[07:42] <eps> Cntryboy, wine builds an evironment similar to windows...that c:\program files\bleh does exist
[07:42] <philipacamaniac> eps: hmm, I asked the gnome guys and they said "oh you should talk to the Ubuntu guys for their specific architecture, etc."
[07:42] <Cntryboy> so should I install it c:\Program Files\PokerStars ?
[07:42] <lightstar> lightstar, yeap.. touch ~/.x11vncrc
[07:42] <Cntryboy> or pick like home dir pokerstars
[07:42] <eps> philipacamaniac, you really need to ask on the ubuntu mailing list/gnome ubuntu mailing list as they will be able to tell you with a lot more detail (this is user suipport, not dev support mostly)
[07:42] <eps> Cntryboy, YES
[07:42] <philipacamaniac> eps: good point
[07:43] <YoussefAssad> morning folks
[07:43] <czer323> philipacamaniac> Alright, let's try it.....
[07:43] <mog> any other helps with the unable to install?
[07:43] <czer323> sadlfkjasdfdsfljksadflsad  Woo hoo!
[07:43] <czer323> no death.
[07:43] <mog> "cannot create file system"
[07:43] <eps> Cntryboy, don't be a god damn windows user...I'm not going to baby you through every step...show some sense
[07:43] <philipacamaniac> czer323: did you put it in your session, or just enter it on the terminal?
[07:43] <Diem> Does anyone have any idea on why the net runs so slow on Ubuntu? It works just perfect on windows
[07:44] <eps> Diem, define 'net' 'slow' and give an example
[07:44] <Diem> Ok
[07:44] <czer323> philipacamaniac> i've got a session setup to load a custom keymap at startup, so i saved it to that location and swapped ctrl and alt.  I prefer the mac layout.
[07:44] <thechris> anyone know how to allow users to start a second X11 session.  the command `startx -- :1 ` says users can't start X11 sessions
[07:44] <robert_> nobody's used courier-imap on dapper?
[07:44] <Cntryboy> eps, wtf is your deal, i'm trying to figure out where I should install this.. I've never used wine before. Cut me some slack
[07:44] <Diem> For example, I open firefox and type in google.com, it searches for the site for a minute or so and then it finally loads up
[07:44] <philipacamaniac> czer323: perfect!
[07:44] <Cntryboy> if you don't wanna help keep quiet
[07:44] <q_a_z_steve> thoreauputic: sorry to single you out but what else should I do with my / ? Do I want to set up more or less log. part's to get this working?
[07:44] <YoussefAssad> my system isn't starting crond on bootup; there's no entry for it in rcconf. Does anyone know of a decent services configuration tool?
[07:45] <philipacamaniac> czer323: I don't regularly run Xgl just cuz it has too many quirks
[07:45] <eps> Cntryboy, RTFM and take some risks, it will either break or it will work - if it breaks then ask for help, if it doesn't you haven't wasted any ones time
[07:45] <eps> Diem, does it only effect web browsing? like are your normal file downloads and IRC normal speed?
[07:45] <Cntryboy> eps leave me alone please
[07:45] <czer323> philipacamaniac> So far, I really love it.    LOL, like i want my windows to wobble all the time.
[07:45] <thoreauputic> q_a_z_steve: my extra-sensory perception isn't working today ;) What I was suggesting was that if you defined the partition incorrectly the installer might not find it
[07:45] <garryF> thechris: See the four boxes in the lower right hand corner. the empty boxes are your other virtual X terminals that you can switch to and from
[07:45] <Cntryboy> your help is not valid to me
[07:46] <eps> Cntryboy, you asked for help, I will only keep answering you if you ask questions
[07:46] <Ackeubu_> Hey I create documents in ooffice. and save them in .doc format. when i email them to my teacher he says he cant open them. Is there a solution that allows me to use ubuntu when editing files and using them on a windows or mac machine after?
[07:46] <Diem> eps, It effects me connecting to any type of internet service, such as irc and gaim etc, but once it actually connects to the server it runs fine
[07:46] <philipacamaniac> czer323: you'll be disappointed I'm sure to find out it breaks DOSBox, some other SDL games, and tsclient
[07:46] <q_a_z_steve> thoreauputic: What should my set up look like?
[07:46] <YoussefAssad> Ackeubu_: ask your teacher what the problem was, find out what version of office, track the issue down. I've used oowriter for years, no major problems like that
[07:47] <thechris> garryF: i'm looking for something else.  i need a custom configuration for setting up an efficient development environment.  these settings are not the same as the settings used for other tings
[07:47] <robert_> blah, wth
[07:47] <q_a_z_steve> EXT3, mount point, label, size all the suggested defaults would be helpful.
[07:47] <Cntryboy> I don't want you to answer if you are being rude.
[07:47] <philipacamaniac> Ackeubu_: if you are indeed saving them in the Microsoft Word 2000/XP format, they should work perfect on other Microsoft Office softwares
[07:47] <garryF> thechris:  Oops, I noticed you said other users. Might check their user properties under priveleges and make sure they are authorized to use X
[07:47] <thoreauputic> q_a_z_steve: I have no idea - you've told us nothing useful about how your partitions are set as far as I can recall
[07:47] <Cntryboy> your
[07:47] <eps> Diem, righto, first off the way linux deals with web browsing will always mean it is that fraction of a second slowly...though that shouldn't really be noticable.  in the case of IRC if it takes say 40 seconds to get onto a server it is probably your ident not working correctly
[07:47] <Cntryboy> blah im tired
[07:47] <philipacamaniac> Cntryboy: meh just leave it be
[07:47] <Cntryboy> -your that was meant for someone else
[07:47] <robert_> eps: you ever used courier-imap with dapper/
[07:47] <q_a_z_steve> first is /boot 5GB, then / 25G , /home 35G, swap 2G , /windows (Fat32 if this is my problem I'm going to kill myself) 53G =120. I've also tried EXT3 / as 80 GB and the rest /windows
[07:47] <YoussefAssad> any recommendations for a good rc configuration edotir? Not rcconf
[07:47] <czer323> philipacamaniac> not so much.  I haven't progress that far in my LInux levels.  I'd still rank  myself a newb.  A newb with a better learning curve than others, but that's jsut experience with computers.
[07:47] <eps> robert_, no sorry, only debian sid
[07:47] <thechris> garryF: hmm. i'm in kubuntu, not sure where i'd find that
[07:48] <robert_> ah
[07:48] <robert_> argh
[07:48] <thoreauputic> q_a_z_steve: please stop singling me out - I'm doing stuff in other channels and places, and it's really annoying
[07:48] <YoussefAssad> not ksysv either, sucky interface
[07:48] <robert_> eps: I can't find my courier-imap configuration files
[07:48] <Diem> eps, well a fraction of a second slower i can understand, however like i said it takes a minute or so to connect to a very basic page such as google.
[07:48] <eps> czer323, if you are using a terminal you are ahead of many newbs :P
[07:48] <kazil> gstreamer0.8-mad (0.8.11-0ubuntu5) [universe]  <<is this waht i need for mp3?
[07:48] <philipacamaniac> czer323: okay, but when you discover DOSBox and other SDL games, I'm almost certain you will be disappointed that you can't use them together with Xgl
[07:48] <q_a_z_steve> thoreauputic did you see my part list?
[07:48] <garryF> thechris Somewhere under system tools, should be a user/group manager might find help there.
[07:48] <eps> Diem, owch, give me a moment to think of what that might be and check out a forum or two, I assume you are on 6.06?
[07:48] <Cntryboy> esp you wanna help well I installed it where default was just like windows.. I got this
[07:48] <Cntryboy> cd@cd-desktop:~/Desktop$ wine PokerStarsInstall.exe
[07:48] <Cntryboy> err:menubuilder:extract_icon32 LoadLibraryExW (L"c:\\Program Files\\PokerStars\\Uninstall.EXE") failed, error 126
[07:48] <Cntryboy> err:menubuilder:InvokeShellLinker failed to fork and exec wineshelllink
[07:49] <Diem> eps, Correct, i have not had this trouble with suse or knoppix in the past and i am fairly new at ubuntu,thanks a great much
[07:49] <thoreauputic> q_a_z_steve: you are now on /ignore, sorry ( you were told several times)
[07:49] <Cntryboy> diem are you on dialup?
[07:49] <philipacamaniac> Cntryboy: sorry to come in on the tail of the conversation, but did you check the WineHQ AppDB for compatibility?
[07:49] <czer323> eps> I'm at home with a terminal though.  I was raised on DOS 2.6. lol.
[07:49] <q_a_z_steve> wait, I tried not to have that tag you. anyway, did you see my list?
[07:49] <YoussefAssad> PokerStars.exe? Why don't you just cut to the chase and try to run BonziBuddy.exe?
[07:49] <Cntryboy> yes it said it works philipacamaniac
[07:49] <philipacamaniac> czer323: Then you will love DOSBox! (I sound like an infomercial)
[07:50] <robert_> YoussefAssad: haha
[07:50] <SpeedyIndy> i can not download the samba package file from the default server.  what can i do to resolve this problem?
[07:50] <YoussefAssad> BonziBuddy + ubuntu == linux finally ready for the desktop
[07:50] <philipacamaniac> Cntryboy: which wine version do you have, the ubuntu default or another?
[07:50] <kazil> gstreamer0.8-mad (0.8.11-0ubuntu5) [universe]  << is this what i need for mp3?
[07:50] <zcat[1] > does bonzibuddy run under wine?
[07:50] <eps> Cntryboy, righto, try running how ever much of the game was installed so eg cd cd .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Poker Whatever/pokers.exe  and see if it works (note it is case sensative)
[07:50] <robert_> has anyone here ever used courier-imap? (dapper)
[07:50] <eps> zcat[1] , I think so...why would you want to use it
[07:50] <thechris> zcat[1] : no.  no linux user would install it.
[07:50] <Cntryboy> i added repos and did apt-get install wine
[07:50] <YoussefAssad> zcat[1] : if Lookout and Exploder work, then I can imagine it might
[07:51] <eps> czer323, terminals rock :)
[07:51] <zcat[1] > I can't get MSIE to work :(
[07:51] <zcat[1] > tried and tried..
[07:51] <eps> zcat[1] , what are you using to install it?
[07:52] <zcat[1] > The full installer Igot off a CD, one I downloaded, and the stub installer winetools uses.. nothing works.
[07:52] <eps> if you are using wine tools kill it, kill wine... and start fresh with either sidenet or wine doors (google either) ...but wine tools breaks the default wine so you have to kill it all inc wine configs
[07:52] <q_a_z_steve> eps: what can I tell you that will help me get my install complete? I'm trying to install Breezy.
[07:52] <Lynoure> Cntryboy: but, if you already own a windows lisence and want to have it easy, you could run windows under wmware. Especially worth it if you plan to use it a lot/with lots of programs. (Yep, I know, a bit heretic of me)
[07:52] <czer323> eps> agreed.  i was looking for a quake like terminal.  Press a button and a console comes down.  I found one, but i haven't spent enough time setting it up.   lol, that's going to be awesome.
[07:52] <eps> q_a_z_steve, why did another user put you on ignore?
[07:53] <SpeedyIndy> how do i change the settings from the us.archive server to the one recommended on the motd?
[07:53] <eps> lol
[07:53] <YoussefAssad> I don't think I've ever seen an app half as buggy as ksysv
[07:53] <Cntryboy> eps I'm in that directory to start it do I type ./pokerstars.exe
[07:53] <ashzilla> !restrictedformats
[07:53] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[07:53] <q_a_z_steve> look, no one answered anything about this until I tabbed you two.
[07:53] <Cntryboy> lynoure is wmware better than wine?
[07:53] <philipacamaniac> Cntryboy: no type wine pokerstars.exe
[07:53] <eps> Cntryboy, try, or wine pokerstars.exe
[07:53] <thoreauputic> SpeedyIndy: replace us. with se. in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:54] <eps> Diem, mmm haven't come up with anything sorry...though it shouldn't be happening so it might be a bug with your install? also are you upto date with your ubuntu updates?
[07:54] <Cntryboy> okay thx brb
[07:54] <Cntryboy> cd@cd-desktop:~/Desktop$ wine pokerstars.exe
[07:54] <Cntryboy> wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\pokerstars.exe": Module not found
[07:54] <Cntryboy> but the directory is there along with pokerstars.exe
[07:54] <eps> philipacamaniac, wine can see and run exe's these days, shocked me when I went eve.exe one day and forgot cedega infront and it worked anyway :P
[07:55] <eps> Cntryboy, you will have to go to #winehq for that one
[07:55] <SpeedyIndy> thoreauputic: ty
[07:55] <eps> wtf...
[07:55] <eps> pokerstars installs an exe in system32?
[07:55] <Lynoure> Cntryboy: I cannot say which is better. It depends on what you want.
[07:55] <eps> erm, you probably shouldn't be running some thing like that
[07:55] <Cntryboy> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=2899
[07:55] <Cntryboy> thats where im at now
[07:55] <philipacamaniac> Cntryboy: you need to "cd .wine/drive_c/Programme/PokerStars"
[07:56] <Diem> eps, no i am not, i havnt taken the chance to try and update it yet since i have just reinstalled 6.06, ill try that though, hopefully either the reinstallation or the updates will fix it,if i still have troubles ill be back, thanks mate.
[07:56] <eps> oh that's the problem, philipacamaniac haha told him to do that ages ago :|
[07:56] <philipacamaniac> eps, no he wasn't in the correct directory, and so wine automatically assumes system32
[07:56] <Cntryboy> okay so I have to be in that dir then ok let me try brb
[07:56] <philipacamaniac> lol
[07:56] <eps> Diem, sorry I couldn't help you more
[07:56] <eps> yes Cntryboy
[07:56] <eps> newb
[07:56] <q_a_z_steve> eps Does putting your name in the front of THIS message single you out and message your server page?
[07:56] <philipacamaniac> play nicely, no
[07:56] <philipacamaniac> now
[07:57] <eps> this is why linux shouldn't be overly user friendly...you get those windows users that just _shouldn't_ be using linux
[07:57] <eps> q_a_z_steve, no, but it highlights it so I can see it
[07:57] <Cntryboy> eps you gotta start some where
[07:57] <Cntryboy> now for another newb question how can I tell terminal to list hidden files?
[07:57] <q_a_z_steve> so then what's the problem, why is no one answering me?
[07:57] <philipacamaniac> the real problem is lack of binary compatibility with windows apps
[07:58] <Cntryboy> so I can pick .wine
[07:58] <eps> Cntryboy, true, just ignore me ...  No -display or DISPLAY.
[07:58] <Yonda> "
[07:58] <eps> that will list 'hidden' or all files and folders
[07:58] <Cntryboy> I know I can cd .wine
[07:58] <q_a_z_steve> eps: I don't mind that, if ppl do it to me I don't /ignore.
[07:58] <eps> indeed
[07:58] <philipacamaniac> Cntryboy: just type everything in the quotes: "cd .wine/drive_c/Programme/PokerStars"
[07:58] <Cntryboy> but I wanna know the command to list hidden files as well with in terminal
[07:59] <eps> ls -la Cntryboy
[07:59] <thechris> Cntryboy: ls -a
[07:59] <eps> that will list 'hidden' or all files and folders
[07:59] <Cntryboy> okay thx eps
[07:59] <eps> mmm, whats the l do again, I've been using it so long I don't remember
[07:59] <q_a_z_steve> eps> first is /boot 5GB, then / 25G , /home 35G, swap 2G , /windows (Fat32 if this is my problem I'm going to kill myself) 53G =120. I've also tried EXT3 / as 80 GB and the rest /windows
[07:59] <eps> long listing format, cool
[07:59] <lightstar> Yonda, did you do the tunnelling correctly? how are you trying to connect from remote?
[07:59] <Cntryboy> thx
[08:00] <eps> q_a_z_steve, why the hell do you have a 5gig boot partition? that itself will break things iirc
[08:00] <philipacamaniac> hmm, I've decided I'm too tired to recompile gnome-screensaver tonight
[08:00] <philipacamaniac> stupid bugs
[08:00] <eps> q_a_z_steve, so what is the problem?
[08:00] <bsamson> hey i changed my resolution and now the clock on the gnome bar at the top is in the middle instead of on the right side.  pretty insignificant problem but I cant figure out how to move items on that thing.  anybody know?
[08:00] <Cntryboy> a;lsdkjf same error
[08:00] <q_a_z_steve> 400MB needed for the CD files to install...
[08:00] <Cntryboy> cd@cd-desktop:~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files$ wine pokerstars
[08:00] <Cntryboy> wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\pokerstars.exe": Module not found
[08:00] <q_a_z_steve> how big should it be?
[08:01] <philipacamaniac> Cntryboy: one more directory down
[08:01] <Yonda> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-L5900:localhost:5900 x11vnc -auth `cat ~/.Xauth`
[08:01] <philipacamaniac> Cntryboy: you forgot to "cd PokerStars" or whatever the directory is
[08:01] <lightstar> Yonda,  ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-L5900:localhost:5900 is correct
[08:02] <lightstar> Yonda, them your remote machine needs its own vnc client to connect..in tat remote machine, in server enter localhost
[08:02] <Cntryboy> got it
[08:02] <Cntryboy> thanks gang
[08:02] <Cntryboy> :)
[08:02] <q_a_z_steve> eps I don't have the exact error, but it says it needs 400 more to complete the CD files install.
[08:02] <philipacamaniac> so it works?
[08:02] <eps> q_a_z_steve, also... you want your boot to be about say 25-30 meg max, your swap to be around double your ram so 512 would be 1024 though don't go over a gig for your swap, keep your root between 5 and say 15 gig and put the rest into your home dir
[08:03] <q_a_z_steve> eps: I checked the cd integ last night and everything's fine.
[08:03] <Cntryboy> odd though within wine.cfg I let it auto find oss midi drivers and hit apply but within terminal it still says fixme:midi:OSS_MidiInit Synthesizer support MIDI in. Not supported yet (please report)
[08:03] <q_a_z_steve> wait, boot only 30MB?
[08:04] <eps> q_a_z_steve, I'm thinking for a start get rid of your /boot partition and just let / handel it...so say ahve a 10 gig / and the rest to /home
[08:04] <eps> q_a_z_steve, yeah man
[08:04] <SpeedyIndy> how can i change the samba settings after the initial set up is configured?
[08:04] <philipacamaniac> Cntryboy: I get that every time, OSS midi isn't fully implemented yet
[08:04] <eps> the /boot dir normally has around 7 to 20 meg tops in it
[08:04] <q_a_z_steve> so all in all / , /home and maybe 35G /windows?
[08:04] <pc22> anyone pls advise good ftp server
[08:04] <eps> SpeedyIndy, either via the gui in gnome or in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[08:04] <Cntryboy> so does that mean I won't have sound?
[08:04] <eps> q_a_z_steve, yeah
[08:05] <philipacamaniac> Cntryboy: does Cntryboy use midi?
[08:05] <Yonda> lightstar, Ah! So I need a vnc client for the remote machine, like tightVNC or some such?
[08:05] <philipacamaniac> emmmmmm
[08:05] <Cntryboy> lol
[08:05] <Cntryboy> it has sound
[08:05] <lightstar> Yonda, yeap..correct
[08:05] <philipacamaniac> Cntryboy: does PokerStar use midi?
[08:05] <Cntryboy> guess not
[08:05] <lightstar> Yonda, tightvnc works just fine:)
[08:05] <Pillzy> Does the Disk util under administration work in 6.06
[08:05] <philipacamaniac> cool
[08:05] <Cntryboy> its working though :D
[08:06] <Cntryboy> gotta have my poker
[08:06] <eps> Cntryboy, yay :)
[08:06] <eFoX> anyone in here use SPICE ?
[08:06] <Cntryboy> :D
[08:06] <Cntryboy> thx again
[08:06] <q_a_z_steve> '/boot 30MB , swap 768MB , /windows 35G, / 15G , /home max?
[08:06] <Pillzy> I need to partition and Format a USB HD
[08:06] <Pillzy> any tips
[08:06] <lightstar> pc22, try sftp...secure verion of ftp, comes with openssh-server
[08:06] <q_a_z_steve> did I miss anything?
[08:06] <eps> q_a_z_steve, why are you having a boot partition at all?
[08:07] <eps> q_a_z_steve, if you were stuffing around with stuff it mgiht be handy but end users don't really need it
[08:07] <q_a_z_steve> eh, my bro says I should, he's been doing this 2 years longer than I.
[08:07] <harry_> does ubuntu support ascii characters???
[08:07] <eps> Pillzy, google for a guide or use the gui disk manager
[08:07] <eps> harry_, yes
[08:07] <pc22> what abt pure-ftpd
[08:07] <eps> q_a_z_steve, thats cool then...it is handy if things go pear shaped with the kernel
[08:08] <Pillzy> ok, I am just using Fdisk now
[08:08] <krazykit> Pillzy: gparted works well
[08:08] <Pillzy> The Disk app loads but I can change any options
[08:08] <eps> q_a_z_steve, well try and anyway
[08:08] <lightstar> pc22, i dun use normal ftp so i'm not too sure. are you trying to create an anonymous ftp for other ppl?
[08:08] <harry_> eps: do you know the other N style. for example to spell out Nina ( Ninya )??? n-nye??
[08:08] <q_a_z_steve> eps, I'm not up on iirc, =what?
[08:08] <harry_> eps: the with ~ on the top of N or n?
[08:08] <philipacamaniac> Cntryboy: you can create a menu entry to launch it with this command: "wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Programme/PokerStasr/pokerstars.exe"
[08:09] <Yonda> lightstar, it works! thanks for the help
[08:09] <lightstar> Yonda, np
[08:09] <eps> harry_, use the charater map included with ubuntu... applications -> accessories -> character map
[08:09] <s0nix> hi
[08:09] <eps> hey s0nix
[08:09] <harry_> eps: how wud you use it on open office.word processor
[08:10] <q_a_z_steve> eps: us there anything I want in any particular order?
[08:10] <kazil> [dsc]  [gst-plugins0.8_0.8.11.orig.tar.gz]  [gst-plugins0.8_0.8.11-0ubuntu5.diff.gz]
[08:10] <kazil> View the Debian changelog
[08:10] <kazil> which one of these 3 to dl? for mp3 codecs ubuntu 5.1
[08:10] <Cntryboy> blah just lost 50K on 3 of a kind who would know he had full house
[08:10] <s0nix> I have installed gparted. and trying to resize my sda1 partition (mounted on /) with the unallocated space. but gparted still have the resize menu disabled, any idea?
[08:10] <eps> harry_, down in the bottom left hand corner of char map application it gives you the keycode to do it yourself or you can copy the char using the copy button in the app and then just paste it into open office
[08:10] <Cntryboy> oh well
[08:11] <Cntryboy> later all im going to sleep
[08:11] <q_a_z_steve> eps: *is
[08:11] <kazil> [dsc]  [gst-plugins0.8_0.8.11.orig.tar.gz]  [gst-plugins0.8_0.8.11-0ubuntu5.diff.gz]  <<which to dl?
[08:11] <eps> s0nix, do you have write access to the device?
[08:11] <adj> i need help with ruby. will someone explain why breezy shows 1.8.2 as being installed with dpkg, but ruby -v returns 1.8.3
[08:11] <eps> kazil, the tar.gz
[08:11] <s0nix> sure gparted is running under root
[08:11] <Hoxzer_> Gparted is gd
[08:11] <kazil> eps thx
[08:11] <eps> kazil, though you should be using the ubuntu package instead of compiling your own...it's easier
[08:12] <adj> 1.8.3 is not useful with lighttp and id rather not reinstall all ruby binaries from source
[08:12] <kazil> i`ve got no internet connection with ubuntu
[08:12] <eps> q_a_z_steve, what are you trying to install with? the ubuntu installer on the live cd or the -alternative cd?
[08:12] <q_a_z_steve> Breezy install CD.
[08:12] <eps> kazil, righto ... you know you can download the .deb file and the dependancies on another computer and install them locally on the ubuntu box
[08:12] <q_a_z_steve> not really live...
[08:13] <eps> q_a_z_steve, is that the gui installer or the text based one?
[08:13] <s0nix> Hoxzer_: im sure it is good... but... :P
[08:13] <q_a_z_steve> I was under the impression that the only live was on DVD.
[08:13] <eps> q_a_z_steve, nope
[08:13] <redblades> Hey hey all.
[08:13] <kazil> eps, that is exactly what i`m trying to do
[08:13] <q_a_z_steve> anyway it's blue and I have to tab around, so text?
[08:13] <kazil> just i don`t see any ".deb" file
[08:14] <eps> kazil, okies
[08:14] <kazil> just that 3 what i pasted before
[08:14] <KenSentMe> eps: about the ascii, in the down left corner i see U+00F1 LATIN SMALL LETTER N WITH TILDE, how can i use that in openoffice?
[08:14] <eps> kazil, get the deb files from the ubuntu repos ... erm see ... archive.ubuntu.com in pool or some thing, should be heaps of them, find the ones you need
[08:15] <william_> is there a FLASH MX equivilant for ubuntu?
[08:15] <eps> KenSentMe, then that probably isn't a ascii char...but you can still copy it using the copy button and then just paste into open office
[08:15] <SpeedyIndy> how can you use Samba to share files on NTFS drives over a network?
[08:15] <eps> william_, not that I'm aware of...or not as proffesional as that...google
[08:15] <s0nix> william_:  do u tryed to run flashmx under wine ?
[08:15] <william_> naw
[08:15] <william_> I want something free that I can animate with
[08:16] <kazil>  libgstreamer-perl_0.07-2_i386.deb << i`ve found this
[08:16] <s0nix> kk
[08:16] <KenSentMe> eps: same goes for letter d , U+0064
[08:16] <eps> kazil, note that will probably need a lot of dependancies...check first to see what else you will need to get
[08:16] <william_> Any animation software or video editing would be cool
[08:16] <Hoxzer_> how do I include sshfs filesystem in the fstab if it requires pw?
[08:16] <william_> is wine free?
[08:16] <Hoxzer_> wine is free.
[08:16] <s0nix> yes
[08:17] <kazil> ok
[08:17] <william_> And I can run my windows apps with it?
[08:17] <KenSentMe> eps: ah, i see how it works, you can use U+00F1
[08:17] <spikeb_> some of them
[08:17] <william_> cool thanks!
[08:17] <william_> l8r
[08:17] <KenSentMe> william_: try installing blender
[08:17] <william_> blender?
[08:17] <william_> whats the command line?
[08:18] <kazil> [gst-plugins0.8_0.8.11.orig.tar.gz]  << i`ve dl-ed this, lets what happens :)
[08:18] <kazil> +see
[08:18] <william_> sudo apt-get blander ?
[08:18] <spikeb_> william_: wine's a neat thing, but don't forget to also search for linux replacements for your windows apps, you might find some neat stuff
[08:18] <q_a_z_steve> eps: How do I tell gui vs text, it's got color but it's not brown like the rest of ubuntu.
[08:18] <lightstar> Hoxzer_, why not create a password-less key and use that?
[08:18] <KenSentMe> william_: sorry, that's a 3d modelling program
[08:18] <william_> Yeah I know, I ditch windows to do so
[08:18] <SpeedyIndy> blender is still pretty cool
[08:18] <william_> I will try it :D
[08:18] <william_> Take care guys!
[08:18] <SpeedyIndy> peace
[08:18] <KenSentMe> william_: sudo apt-get install blender
[08:18] <SpeedyIndy> hah bit late
[08:18] <prwlr> hello
[08:18] <KenSentMe> yep
[08:19] <prwlr> hello
[08:19] <SpeedyIndy> can someone help me set up network share folders on NTFS drives??
[08:19] <prwlr> where's the trash can?
[08:19] <SpeedyIndy> bot. right
[08:19] <czer323> !samba
[08:19] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:19] <czer323>  ;)
[08:20] <czer323> I ahven't had time to try it myself, so ic ant' be of much help yet.
[08:20] <klystron2> hello all,  would someone happen to know why my computer reboots when it get's to the initrd.img, it's a non stop cycle.  This is after installing Dapper
[08:20] <SpeedyIndy> oh man, thanks czer323
[08:21] <KenSentMe> prwlr: in your home folder under /.Trash and in Gnome in the lower right corner
[08:21] <q_a_z_steve> william_ do you mean http://www.nvu.com/
[08:21] <prwlr> KenSentMe: i dont have the icon for the trash can on gnome. can i make a symlink of .Trash and configure that to empty on right click?
[08:21] <redblades> I am working with a WinXP box that uses thunderbird, I was wondering :how do I export all mail/addressbook/settings?
[08:22] <q_a_z_steve> eps: How do I tell gui vs text, it's got color but it's not brown like the rest of ubuntu.
[08:22] <klystron2> a friend thought that my VIA prossesor might be a problem with DAPPER
[08:22] <redblades> I will of course be migrating the box to ubuntu, with thunderbird
[08:22] <SpeedyIndy> why cant linux write to NTFS?
[08:22] <q_a_z_steve> it can!
[08:22] <gharz> guys, is it safe to delete all files and directory under /tmp folder?
[08:23] <SpeedyIndy> last i heard, that was experimental
[08:23] <KenSentMe> prwlr: what do you mean you don't have the icon? It's not on the desktop but in your status bar? Have you deleted it or something?
[08:23] <spikeb_> SpeedyIndy: apparently implementing safe writing to NTFS has been VERY difficult
[08:23] <B1zz> maybe Xubuntu?
[08:23] <q_a_z_steve> http://www.linux-ntfs.org/
[08:23] <czer323> Speedy> MS hasn't really released the details about how NTFS works, so... Linux software writers have been stumbling how to make it work for a while now.
[08:23] <SpeedyIndy> q_a_z_steve: hah, been there but their packages are rpms, and i cant seem to get them converted
[08:24] <redblades> gharz, yes, but not right away
[08:24] <KenSentMe> prwlr: you can also right click on the menu bar on the top of your screen and choose to add, then choose the trash can
[08:24] <czer323> I wonder...
[08:24] <StAfZe6> Hello
[08:24] <czer323> !ntfs
[08:24] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[08:24] <prwlr> KenSentMe: i must've done something foolish yes :) it's not here, anyway im shifting to fluxbox, but i would like to know if this "recyle bin" wannabe is only in gnome and not in other wms
[08:24] <gharz> redblades, what do u mean "but not right away"?
[08:24] <StAfZe6> out of interest
[08:24] <redblades> log into single user mode, then do  rm /tmp/*
[08:24] <redblades> Reboot
[08:24] <gharz> redblades, ahhh... ok.
[08:24] <chron> where can i get a sources list
[08:24] <KenSentMe> prwlr: as i said, you can add it by right clicking on the menu bar
[08:24] <redblades> I've found that otherwise things can get a bit... sticky
[08:25] <chron> i want to either edit /etc/apt/sourceslist
[08:25] <chron> sources.list
[08:25] <KenSentMe> !tell chron about sources
[08:25] <chron> what
[08:25] <KenSentMe> chron: you've got a message from ubotu
[08:25] <timboteam> czer323: I Installed ubuntu onto my laptop and was going to get network manager going again but it gives me an error that wont let it be installed
[08:25] <chron> !easysource
[08:25] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:26] <SpeedyIndy> well i best be going to sleep... I must say thank you though, I have fooled around with Ubuntu 6.06 for the whole day today, and I am QUITE impressed!
[08:26] <gharz> redblades, why is it that i can't access my ntfs partition using File Browser but i can access it using command line (Terminal)? any idea?
[08:26] <prwlr> KenSentMe: ok dude thanks
[08:26] <KenSentMe> prwlr: no problem
[08:27] <redblades> Hmm... I'm not sure... wait, from the command line, are you using "sudo"
[08:27] <redblades> ?
[08:27] <czer323> timboteam> is this the same computer as before?
[08:27] <gharz> redblades, even if i don't  sudo
[08:27] <chron> can someone tell me where i can just get a list of urls
[08:27] <gharz> i can browse using terminal...
[08:27] <chron> to edit on my sources.list
[08:27] <timboteam> yeah, but before I was running on the live cd, and then I installed the os onto the computer
[08:28] <gharz> this happened when my system upgraded the kernel.
[08:28] <redblades> gharz, I was wondering if maybe it was a permissions issue...
[08:28] <KenSentMe> !sources
[08:28] <timboteam> It says it failed to fetch all of the programs I try to add
[08:28] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto and !easysource
[08:28] <czer323> timboteam> using the same instructions?
[08:28] <redblades> gharz, to be honest I have only ever shared with an ntfs partition once, now I'm a linux purist. :-)
[08:28] <timboteam> Yeah
[08:29] <timboteam> Something has changed since I installed it, and now I cant add applications
[08:29] <redblades> Perhaps someone else might know more
[08:29] <KenSentMe> chron: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[08:29] <gharz> redblades, :)
[08:29] <gharz> thanks
[08:29] <KenSentMe> chron: here are some
[08:29] <czer323> timboteam> is that laptop online right now then?  Do you know how to use the terminal?
[08:29] <redblades> gharz, no problem
[08:29] <timboteam> It is on, I don't know what the terminal is
[08:29] <timboteam> its right next to me
[08:30] <redblades> gharz, also, if you wish to share file between, you can creat a small fat32 partition, and place things on it, to be shared.
[08:30] <kazil>  gstreamer0.8-tools_0.8.12-1ubuntu1_i386.deb dl-ed. next?
[08:30] <redblades> I don't recall how, but ti can be done
[08:30] <gharz> redblades, nice idea.
[08:30] <KenSentMe> timboteam: go to Applications>Accessoires>Terminal or something (i only know the words in dutch)
[08:30] <gharz> thanks.
[08:30] <redblades> : )
[08:30] <Hekta> you can create your own sources list here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:31] <redblades> timboteam, what did you use before Linux?
[08:31] <timboteam> Windows
[08:31] <timboteam> xp home
[08:31] <redblades> Hmm...
[08:31] <timboteam> would I be able to get the files off of the cd or something?
[08:31] <redblades> So, you probably didn't use a comannd line much?
[08:32] <redblades> timboteam, what CD?
[08:32] <timboteam> Not much,  but I have used cmd before
[08:32] <timboteam> Ubuntu live
[08:32] <redblades> cmd is like a very watered down verion of the linux terminal/Konsole
[08:32] <timboteam> I see.
[08:32] <gharz> redblades, what i did now is create a link on my desktop. now i can open my ntfs without going through the hassle of the File Browser.
[08:32] <redblades> so, you're heading in a similar direction but you have a lot more pwer
[08:33] <timboteam> Ok well what should I do
[08:33] <redblades> gharz, Good work!
[08:33] <timboteam> Cause without these programs I can't really do much with my computer
[08:33] <timboteam> like without network manager I won't be able to use the internet :/
[08:33] <killaz> morning, I need some good pdf viewer.. one where I can click on the link in the pdf and it jumps to the corect page..
[08:33] <czer323> timboteam> try to do these commands
[08:33] <timboteam> Fire away.
[08:34] <redblades> Well... it seems odd that network manager would go missing, but have you checked in synaptic to see if you can just reinstall it?
[08:34] <czer323> timboteam> apt-get update
[08:34] <timboteam> Wait where do I type that in
[08:34] <timboteam> I haven't gotten to the terminal yet
[08:34] <redblades> HAHAHA
[08:34] <czer323> redblades> he was running the livecd first, and it was working there.  now he's installed it.  I think that's the history here.
[08:34] <timboteam> That is indeed the history.
[08:34] <redblades> timboteam, I'm luaghing not at you, but becasue that was what I said two years ago when I started with Linux
[08:34] <czer323> timboteam> Try to click on applications> accessories> terminal
[08:35] <timboteam> Heh, allright.
[08:35] <timboteam> And I'm at terminal
[08:35] <redblades> Cool
[08:35] <timboteam> So you want me to type apt-get update
[08:35] <czer323> timboteam> apt-get update
[08:35] <timboteam> even though I don't have internet?
[08:35] <redblades> Huh?
[08:35] <czer323> well, you've gotta have it connected wtih ethernet, right?
[08:35] <timboteam> No
[08:35] <redblades> czer323, that's going to make it difficult
[08:35] <timboteam> Wireless
[08:35] <czer323> That's how you got it working last time didn't you?
[08:36] <timboteam> Last time I just went to applications > add/remove, put on network manager and entered my wep key
[08:36] <czer323> and then I thought you installed networkmanager
[08:36] <redblades> timbotean, I just realised what you meant.
[08:36] <czer323> timboteam> but weren't you online at that time with ethernet?
[08:36] <timboteam> But now when I try to install network manager i get an error
[08:36] <timboteam> No I was online on this computer, a PC
[08:36] <timboteam> We are working on my laptop
[08:36] <redblades> You can't get online, and you can't get the packages ytou need to go online without being... online
[08:36] <czer323> ahh, well, drats.
[08:36] <timboteam> Right
[08:37] <timboteam> Solution?
[08:37] <redblades> timboteam, can you not use this connection?
[08:37] <czer323> what's the message then.  is it long?
[08:37] <redblades> couldn't you just use this one until you get setup
[08:37] <redblades> ?
[08:37] <timboteam> What do you mean
[08:37] <timboteam> Use this computer?
[08:38] <redblades> Well, if you are using a ethernet, then just use the cable in the other computer and get online?
[08:38] <timboteam> I could try that
[08:38] <redblades> It might just work, and then you could get everything running from there
[08:38] <timboteam> But I'm going to have to disconnect from this irc :(
[08:38] <redblades> That's okay
[08:38] <redblades> I'll hang around
[08:38] <timboteam> Ok
[08:38] <czer323> word, but once you get it online with the laptop, you can reconnect to our irc ;)
[08:38] <timboteam> Maybe
[08:39] <timboteam> We'll see what happens
[08:39] <czer323> And the instructions should be pretty much the same.
[08:39] <timboteam> See you soon hopefully
[08:39] <redblades> Wait!
[08:39] <timboteam> What
[08:39] <robert_> what's the equivalent of Cyrus-sasl in Ubuntu?
[08:39] <redblades> Do you have an irc client on the other box?
[08:39] <Minty> morning
[08:39] <redblades> if not, Gaim or Xchat are your best bets
[08:39] <timboteam> Ok
[08:39] <hikikomori> hi
[08:39] <redblades> Hi
[08:39] <timboteam> So I can go?
[08:39] <redblades> sur
[08:39] <redblades> e
[08:40] <timboteam> K be back soon hopefully
[08:40] <redblades> cool
[08:40] <hikikomori> can anyone please tell me if there is any software like soundforge for ubuntu?
[08:40] <redblades> soundforge?
[08:40] <hikikomori> ?
[08:40] <Minty> anyone know a isql program that works under gnome rather that thru terminal ?
[08:40] <redblades> I'm sorry. what does it do?
[08:41] <hikikomori> yes , im looking for a sound editor for ubuntu
[08:41] <czer323> It's an audio waveform editor I believe.
[08:41] <_bt> sound recording/manipulation
[08:41] <hikikomori> yes
[08:41] <redblades> Oh, that's right
[08:41] <redblades> I remember, I actually used to use it!
[08:41] <hikikomori> is there something like this for ubuntu?
[08:41] <redblades> Hm...
[08:41] <redblades> Give me a second
[08:41] <hikikomori> ok thanx
[08:42] <biberao> hey
[08:42] <timbooo> OK!
[08:42] <timbooo> Here's the deal
[08:43] <timbooo> I am on the PC on the wireless connection
[08:43] <rredd4> i cannot find flashplugin-nonfree, universe and multiuniverse are enabled.  Where is it?
[08:43] <timbooo> I plugged the ethernet cable into my laptop (the one i'm trying to successfully get ubuntu working on)
[08:43] <timbooo> But then I realized, I have no idea how to connect to the internet, even though I have it plugged in now
[08:43] <czer323> !easyubunut
[08:43] <ubotu> I know nothing about easyubunut
[08:43] <biberao> anyone here who works with DHCP server?
[08:43] <czer323> !easyubuntu
[08:43] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of easyubuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[08:43] <GOwin> i got a question about OOo2 on dapper 64-bit. Does OOo in your installation uses the gnome open/save dialog?
[08:44] <biberao> timbooo
[08:44] <biberao> you use wpa or wep or no password?
[08:44] <timbooo> Wait, nevermind, I am on the internet after all
[08:44] <timbooo> So now I have to try to get that network stuff on.
[08:44] <timbooo> 1 Moment
[08:44] <YoussefAssad> GOwin: 32 bit hee, but no
[08:44] <czer323> !networkmanager
[08:44] <ubotu> networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager
[08:44] <redblades> hikikomori, MuSE
[08:44] <timbooo> I have to ask you'alls recommendation
[08:45] <timbooo> Should I just install everything I can get?
[08:45] <timbooo> Or are there a lot of useless applications
[08:45] <redblades> hikikomori, http://sourceforge.net/projects/lmuse
[08:45] <hikikomori> redblades
[08:45] <hikikomori> do i need to compile it?
[08:45] <redblades> ?
[08:45] <GOwin> thanks youssef. anyone else?
[08:45] <biberao> dhcp anyone?
[08:45] <redblades> hikikomori, it might be in the repos
[08:45] <hikikomori> ok im gonna look for it
[08:45] <YoussefAssad> GOwin: if you can figure out how to get it to use the gnome dialog, please let me know
[08:46] <redblades> hikikomori, It is
[08:46] <redblades> I found it
[08:46] <hikikomori> redblades
[08:46] <GOwin> youssef: will probably  post something to that effect in the support forums
[08:46] <redblades> yeah?
[08:46] <hikikomori> i cant find it
[08:46] <hikikomori> in which repositories?
[08:46] <redblades> apt-cache search muse?
[08:47] <tom3> hi, anybody up?
[08:47] <hikikomori> oh! i was looking for lmuse
[08:47] <redblades> Do you have unverse and multiverse enabled?
[08:47] <redblades> Oh
[08:47] <redblades> yeah the site refers to it as that for some reason
[08:47] <goudkov> is there a way to specify an exclude list for find?
[08:47] <redblades> tom3?
[08:47] <redblades> I'm up
[08:48] <hikikomori> it says muse is an audio sequencer
[08:48] <hikikomori> not a wave editor
[08:48] <redblades> Oop
[08:48] <redblades> Oops
[08:48] <n30n> whats the command for sending messages to other computers. its like net send in windows
[08:48] <dsas> goudkov: You could pipe the output to grep -v to filter out results. Don't know of a specific way using find itself though.
[08:48] <ddrj> hey everyone :) does this point to another computer on a network? root=/dev/rd/0 rw --
[08:49] <biberao> hello?
[08:49] <goudkov> dsas: yeah, that's what oi'm doing now.
[08:49] <redblades> hikikomori, Audacity!
[08:49] <tom3> I got a problem: I installed Ubuntu on a laptop, works great; on a different machine, 4 installations in a row, same thing: works perfect, on the first reboot only the shell works, nautilus shows no icons, only the menus and you can not select anything. did it for every reinstall. any idea?
[08:49] <redblades> That was the one I was trying to remeber!
[08:49] <n30n> whats the command for sending messages to other computers. its like net send in windows
[08:49] <hikikomori> ok thanx
[08:49] <timbooo> Redblades, czer323!!
[08:49] <Hekta> Hey guys I'm trying to receive a file in XChat and it won't work :(
[08:49] <timbooo> I have an issue now!
[08:49] <killaz> is there a trick where you can right-click on the inside of a folder and a window with the command "Open terminal  here..." opens..
[08:50] <czer323> timbooo> yeah?
[08:50] <dsas> n30n: You can use smbclient -M
[08:50] <redblades> tom3, I had an issue like that once, but it was because I was using a live cd under Vmware and had set the ram _really_l ow
[08:50] <dsas> killaz: You need to install nautilus-openterminal I think.
[08:50] <redblades> timbooo? Oh it's you
[08:50] <timbooo> Well now that I was able to download stuff, I tried "wireless assistant"
[08:50] <jasonm> HEllo
[08:50] <killaz> dsas, ok let me try that
[08:50] <redblades> Hwy
[08:50] <redblades> Hey
[08:50] <timbooo> And it once again is failing to connect
[08:50] <jasonm> im new to ubunu
[08:50] <redblades> Okay
[08:50] <redblades> Need help
[08:50] <redblades> ?
[08:50] <timbooo> Yes!
[08:50] <jasonm> yep
[08:50] <czer323> Timboo> FOr wireless connections, i seriously suggest trying Networkmanager
[08:50] <dsas> killaz: It's nautilus-open-terminal actually.
[08:51] <timbooo> Ok I'm trying that again, but it like didnt install for some reason
[08:51] <redblades> jasonm, with what?
[08:51] <n30n> dsas: so if i was to try to send a message to a given computer what would it be? smbclient -M <message?>
[08:51] <jasonm> i just did a fresh install, right now i have two issues off the bat it seems
[08:51] <czer323> timbooo> does it have an error message?
[08:51] <tom3> redblades: actually booting from the CD works fine everytime :) what do you mean by setting the ram really low? (speaking of ram, it works on a 128mb machine, not on the 1.2gb one :))
[08:51] <jasonm> 1) installing media codecs
[08:51] <timbooo> No it doesn't
[08:51] <timbooo> It just doesn't exist
[08:51] <jasonm> 2) mounting my second hard drive
[08:51] <dsas> n30n: smbclient -M COMPUTERTOSENDTO message (i think)
[08:52] <timbooo> It says it installed already but its not in my applications > internet
[08:52] <DShepherd> when logging into gnome I get a "I could not start your session ..." error http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i141/DShepherd_photos/?action=view&current=Screenshot-Xnest.jpg. I have to type gnome-session to start my session. How can I automate this?
[08:52] <timbooo> is it somewhere else?
[08:52] <redblades> tom3, VMware allows you to choose home much ram you use
[08:52] <dsas> !tell jasonm about restrictedformats
[08:52] <killaz> dsas, yup .. thnx!
[08:52] <dsas> !tell jasonm about ntfs
[08:52] <killaz> that is so much better
[08:52] <czer323> timbooo>usually its' an applet that runs in the top right.  Might look like two balls spinning around or a signal bar.
[08:52] <killaz> !tell killaz about ntfs
[08:52] <czer323> try to type at a terminal line: nm-applet
[08:52] <redblades> jasonm, I can't see the messages unless you include my name, (I can but they don't stand out) so use a name when you want someone's attention
[08:53] <Grebo5> Hello
[08:53] <darx> greetings
[08:53] <Grebo5> i have a big problem
[08:53] <Grebo5> :)
[08:53] <darx> how can i disable unwanted services from running at boot
[08:53] <timbooo> AAA
[08:53] <timbooo> I typed it and  I got a LOT OF TEXT
[08:53] <czer323> timbooo> know how to use pastebin?
[08:53] <redblades> jasonm, well, yes restrictedFormats is what you need, as for the second hard drive, I had a similar issue, and I have forgotten what I did... : )
[08:54] <timbooo> No I don't
[08:54] <redblades> darx
[08:54] <timbooo> and remember I'm on two computers
[08:54] <dsas> darx: see system->administration->services
[08:54] <ttongfly_> hi everyone
[08:54] <killaz> dsas, guess I have to login.. when I finished installing the package?
[08:54] <darx> redblades: howdy...
[08:54] <killaz> re-login*
[08:54] <darx> dsas: thanks
[08:54] <Grebo5> http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCSourceAndBinaryOnDifferentSites ; "The GPL says you must offer access to copy the source code "from the same place"; that is, next to the binaries." Could you tell me where the source code is then on that page. Apparently it isn't 'next to the binaries', and if that is so then that *is* a GPL violation.
[08:54] <n30n> dsad: (IP ADDRESS USED): Not enough '\' characters in service
[08:54] <Grebo5> http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[08:55] <redblades> darx, sysv-rc-conf
[08:55] <redblades> darx, this is also another way to do it
[08:55] <timbooo> Ok wait I just logged out and back in and it says: "The networkmanager applet could not find some required resources. It cannot continue."
[08:55] <DShepherd> can anyone help
[08:55] <redblades> Yep
[08:55] <czer323> timbooo> So, you didn't get the other computer connected with ethernet?
[08:55] <darx> redblades: alright...
[08:55] <redblades> timbooo, apt-get -f install?
[08:55] <timbooo> I am connected with the ethernet
[08:55] <prgrmr> how can i remove compiled amule?
[08:55] <darx> redblades: thanksalot
[08:55] <timbooo> I'm trying to get network manager to work though
[08:55] <czer323> timbooo> pastebin is a website you can paste messages to so i can read them on that page.
[08:55] <czer323> !pastebin
[08:55] <jasonm> redblades, sorry about that. right,,, so i need to know how to format my second drive which is a ntsf drive, and mount it... secondly i need to know how to obtain and install codecs for playing dvd's, mp3's and all other codecs like ac3 audio and divx/xvid.... any help would be amazing.
[08:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[08:55] <redblades> darx, sudo apt-get install sysv-rc-conf
[08:56] <DShepherd> prgrmr: did u install via apt?
[08:56] <dsas> n30n: I'm not sure then, it's a long time ago since I used it. maybe you have to specify the computer name in \\COMPNAME syntax for some reason?
[08:56] <redblades> jasonm, NO!
[08:56] <timbooo> Ok ill go to that
[08:56] <redblades> Don't format it!
[08:56] <timbooo> But wait
[08:56] <czer323> timboo> so try to copy the error message and paste it onto a page.  give me the link.
[08:56] <timbooo> But wait
[08:56] <prgrmr> DShepherd: no
[08:56] <dsas> jasonm: See help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats for media issues
[08:56] <DShepherd> prgrmr: sudo make uninstall
[08:56] <eps> later all
[08:56] <timbooo> I logged out and back in so I don't have the error message
[08:56] <biberao> who can help me?
[08:56] <compengi> hi
[08:56] <jasonm> redblades, no?
[08:57] <compengi> how do i install limewire
[08:57] <redblades> jasonm, everything you need to know can be found at that site
[08:57] <jasonm> dsas, ok im checking
[08:57] <czer323> timbooo> oh really?
[08:57] <darx> redblades: i hope it offers more than what the services admin gui has to offer. i want to disable RAID and Bluetooth
[08:57] <redblades> jasonm, if you format it, you lose all that is on it!
[08:57] <timbooo> Yes really
[08:57] <redblades> darx, it gives you entire control
[08:57] <czer323> ... no wai
[08:57] <czer323> lol
[08:57] <darx> redblades: coolllll..
[08:57] <timbooo> I just got 92 updates, do you think that would have an affect on it?
[08:57] <timbooo> Shall I try again?
[08:57] <czer323> Okay, serious note though, yeah, go ahead and try to update.
[08:57] <redblades> darx, it's textbased in the terminal
[08:58] <timbooo> Ok it is installing software
[08:58] <redblades> but I think it should eb easy enough
[08:58] <czer323> timbooo> and look for that icon.  mine looks like 5 signal strength bars.
[08:58] <darx> redblades: does the manual installs with it?
[08:58] <timbooo> Yeah I had it
[08:58] <biberao> thx everyone!! ..
[08:58] <timbooo> When I was on the cd
[08:58] <timbooo> So I know what I'm looking for, but its not happening now
[08:58] <redblades> darx? the man page
[08:58] <redblades> ?
[08:59] <darx> redblades: yup...
[08:59] <timbooo> Can we do this in PM?
[08:59] <timbooo> This really bugs me
[08:59] <mada> what?
[08:59] <mada> oh, nvm
[08:59] <czer323> timbooo> well, after the updates, we'll try to run: nm-applet again, and if this doesnt' work, we'll try to reinstall networkmanager.
[08:59] <timbooo> Ok.
[08:59] <czer323> timbooo> yeah, that's fine.  just message me.
[08:59] <dsas> n30n: Is the other computer running samba? and if so make sure you're using it's netbios name, and the computers are in the same workgroup
[09:00] <redblades> darx, I'm fairly certain it always does
[09:00] <timbooo> I don't think I can message you cause I'm unregistered
[09:00] <darx> redblades: thanks a lot mate.. you are a gem..
[09:00] <darx> :)
[09:00] <redblades> Aww... thanks
[09:01] <timbooo> Yeah PMs are apparently blocked, but whatever, I'll deal.
[09:01] <DShepherd> when logging into gnome I get a "I could not start your session ..." error http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i141/DShepherd_photos/?action=view&current=Screenshot-Xnest.jpg. I have to type gnome-session to start my session. How can I automate this?
[09:01] <timbooo> My updates are close to getting finished.
[09:01] <czer323> timbooo> Shouldn't matter.  I'll right click on your name in my list and select to open dilog.
[09:01] <redblades> I feel Karmically well. I hope I'm propagating good Karma :)
[09:01] <DShepherd> anyone..someone?
[09:01] <n30n> dsas: they are just using novice windows. He sent me a message. and i've seen him send messages to windows before.
[09:01] <redblades> DShepherd, yes?
[09:01] <czer323> timbooo> you'll probably have to reboot.
[09:01] <czer323> btw, i messaged you.  check your messages.
[09:01] <DShepherd> redblades: can you assit?
[09:01] <DShepherd> assist*
[09:01] <redblades> pehaps
[09:01] <Yonda> I've been using tightVNC, but then added a password for security by using the /usr/bin/vncpasswd , but now i get connection refused with no chance of putting in a password
[09:01] <redblades> perhaps
[09:02] <DShepherd> redblades: ok.. well my prob.. is above
[09:02] <S0me1> .
[09:02] <dsas> n30n: Ok, if they are windows machines they will have samba running. Maybe it's worth checking the workgroups are the same. (Somewhere in /etc/samba/smb.conf i guess)
[09:02] <timbooo> Czer323: I did not get any messages.
[09:02] <redblades> DShepherd, what is the issue?
[09:02] <DShepherd> redblades: did u see it?
[09:02] <czer323> redblades> just out of curiousity, are you an ubuntu newb helping the newbites too? lol, i've only been using it for a couple of weeks.
[09:02] <aftertaf> Yonda, wait a bit, itll come back .... it does that.
[09:02] <redblades> Oh that...
[09:02] <DShepherd> redblades: yes
[09:02] <czer323> timbooo> so, you do or don't have the icon?
[09:02] <redblades> czer323, in a manner of speaking
[09:02] <Nathrak|IRC> can you get xgl for ubuntu precompiled?
[09:02] <timbooo> Ok, I am restarting my laptop
[09:02] <Yonda> aftertaf, How long should I need to wait?
[09:03] <SurfnKid> how come 5.10 has no APM support but 6.06 does?
[09:03] <compengi> how can i make ubuntu read russian text
[09:03] <SurfnKid> how can I add APM support to the kernel
[09:03] <alth> Is there a way to get Rhythymbox to repeat one song?
[09:03] <DShepherd> Nathrak|IRC: no from ubuntu..
[09:03] <redblades> I've been using it for a bit longer than that, but I'm still fairly new
[09:03] <timbooo> Updates are complete
[09:03] <czer323> !apm
[09:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about apm
[09:03] <SurfnKid> czer323: thanks anyway
[09:03] <n30n> dsas: no there is a command to just send a message to someone by just having their ip
[09:03] <DShepherd> Nathrak|IRC: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager <-- check that out
[09:03] <czer323> lol, i wasn't sure.  I'm sure there's a how to in the wiki
[09:03] <timbooo> This problem solving has motivated me to stay awake lol
[09:03] <DShepherd> redblades: so...?
[09:03] <redblades> Oh...
[09:03] <aftertaf> Yonda, a coupe minutes
[09:04] <redblades> I'm not sure about that
[09:04] <czer323> timbooo> coffee motivates me to stay awake.
[09:04] <DShepherd> redblades: ok thanks
[09:04] <timbooo> I want this all to run flawlessly but at the same time I'm kindof enjoying just trial and error, troubleshooting with my newfound OS
[09:04] <redblades> I'm sorry
[09:04] <SurfnKid> czer323: 6.06 supports it with no problems, its 5.10 that has none. or just isnt compiled in kernel
[09:04] <darx> redblades: you are.. asadoma sadgamaya, thamasoma jyothirgamaya, mrithyoma amruthamgamaya (from the false to truth, from darkness to light, from mortality to immortality)..
[09:04] <dsas> n30n: maybe you can use the ip instead of the machine name in smbclient? If not I'm at a loss. Sorry.
[09:04] <compengi> how can i make ubuntu read russian text
[09:04] <rredd4> I get this error when I install easyubuntu,   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16253      any ideas why please?
[09:04] <redblades> darx, I hope that's a good thing...
[09:04] <SurfnKid> well gnite
[09:04] <n30n> dsas: im trying to. idk the syntax that well though
[09:05] <Nathrak|IRC> I'm here at my friend's house and I got ubuntu with his fast connection. Is there anything else I should get?
[09:05] <timbooo> czer323: Restart done, updates done, but i have to go grab the charger before my laptop dies
[09:05] <darx> redblades: just some sanskrit verses related to karma :)
[09:05] <Nathrak|IRC> linux-related that is
[09:05] <redblades> Oh cool
[09:05] <alth> Can you try to keep it on topic, redblades + darx? :)
[09:06] <redblades> alth... keep you hair on
[09:06] <redblades> : )
[09:06] <czer323> timbooo> word.  I read soemwhere that solving problems caueses the brain to release a small ammount of opiate into the bloodstream.  One might interpret that to mean that Linux is a drug.
[09:06] <alth> My hair is firmly attached ;)
[09:06] <redblades> Heheh
[09:06] <alth> #Ubuntu-offtopic for general chat :)
[09:06] <hangfire> copengi, I think there is a unicode textreader in add and remove programs
[09:06] <darx> alth: sotty.......
[09:06] <timbooo> LOL
[09:06] <biberao> anyone knows how to make dhcp gives IP to two different networks like <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:06] <timbooo> Anyway, I'm done, what is our first order of business
[09:06] <darx> atyh: *sorry
[09:07] <czer323> timbooo> that icon.
[09:07] <timbooo> ..is not there.
[09:07] <sgbirch> I am trying to do a server install in dapper but the GUI installer doesn't give the boot prompt, any ideas?
[09:07] <redblades> Okay, now I have an issue, Basically, I want to export all the info like emails, addresses, setting from Thunderbird
[09:07] <czer323> timbooo> and nm-applet doesn't show anything?
[09:07] <Yonda> aftertaf, I was away from the computer for over an hour and it still ain't letting me in...
[09:07] <timbooo> let me try that again
[09:07] <timbooo> I type nm-applet in terminal?
[09:07] <DShepherd> rredd4: i think you need to install libglade2-0
[09:08] <aftertaf> Yonda, id try a different vnc client in that case...
[09:08] <czer323> timboo> yep
[09:08] <Yonda> aftertaf, Do you have any recommendations apart from TightVNC?
[09:08] <timbooo> I believe it opened
[09:08] <DShepherd> !freenx
[09:08] <timbooo> I got no error, no text
[09:08] <ubotu> freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[09:08] <timbooo> Just another Icon
[09:09] <DShepherd> Yonda: wanna try that one
[09:09] <rredd4> DShepherd  ok, a python error?
[09:09] <sgbirch> Can someone help with a basic install question?
[09:09] <aftertaf> freenx :] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]
[09:09] <DShepherd> rredd4: what python error?
[09:09] <dsas> sgbirch: We don't know until you ask the question :)
[09:09] <pc10> hello
[09:09] <czer323> timboo> what's the icon look like?
[09:09] <timbooo> Right now its the two balls with the blue thing around it
[09:09] <timbooo> theres two of them, but I decided to unplug the ethernet and see if its working now
[09:09] <rredd4> DShepherd  just asking if my error is a python error...
[09:09] <redblades> sgbirch... I 'm fairly certian that you can opt for more oprions on bootup
[09:09] <czer323> timboo> that's network manager.  the two balls means it's trying to find a network.
[09:10] <redblades> dsas, he already did
[09:10] <DShepherd> rredd4: i think you need to install sudo apt-get install libglade2-0 and see if the error persists
[09:10] <sgbirch> dsas: If I do F1/F3 it lists server as an option, but I dont see how to get the boot: prompt
[09:10] <czer323> timbooo> see if you can't mess around with the options some.  single click and right click have different menus.
[09:10] <dsas> redblades, sgbirch: Ahh, sorry, it was some way up the scrollback.
[09:10] <Yonda> DShepherd, Does FreeNX create another session or use the current one?
[09:10] <redblades> :-)
[09:10] <timbooo> Yeah, it finds my network
[09:11] <DShepherd> Yonda: not sure.. I have never used it. heard its good though
[09:11] <sgbirch> dsas: np .. I think older installers used to give you a boot: prompt.  It aint there any more afaics
[09:11] <dsas> sgbirch: If you're doing a server install you probably want to get the server cd rather than the desktop one.
[09:11] <Yonda> DShepherd, ok thanks
[09:11] <timbooo> I am messing with it
[09:11] <sgbirch> dsas: It is the server cd
[09:11] <czer323> timbooo> and it connects to it?
[09:11] <DShepherd> Yonda: sure
[09:11] <timbooo> Not quite
[09:11] <timbooo> Something changed
[09:11] <sgbirch> the disktop one appears to be a live install disk. Im confused
[09:11] <timbooo> One ball is green
[09:11] <timbooo> one is grey
[09:12] <DShepherd> dsas  http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i141/DShepherd_photos/?action=view&current=Screenshot-Xnest.jpg. <-- do you know why i am getting this when I log in
[09:12] <DShepherd> dsas: better yet,, how do i fix it
[09:12] <redblades> sgbirch, it's a live CD as well as an installl
[09:12] <KevinIN72> hey everyone, has anyone set up ftp on there server.  im lookin for some help with it
[09:12] <dragoon> fsking maccas
[09:12] <alth> sgbirch: Boot into the live CD, click the 'install' icon on the desktop.
[09:12] <sgbirch> oh. I found that confusing but I assume it is noob friendly :)
[09:12] <elknof3> does somebody have limewire installed on dapper??
[09:12] <redblades> noob
[09:12] <DShepherd> elknof3: yes  i do
[09:12] <redblades> elknof, yes
[09:13] <czer323> timbooo> i'm not sure what that means.  try that terminal again, and tell me what your ip address is.  you can find it by typing: ifconfig
[09:13] <dsas> DShepherd: I don't know, something is broke in your normal session, so it's starting the failsafe.
[09:13] <timbooo> Ok
[09:13] <DShepherd> dsas: i guessed that part.
[09:13] <KevinIN72> :( anyone, help with ftp
[09:13] <redblades> elknof3, might I suggest you use Frostwire?
[09:13] <elknof3> DShepherd, how you did it??
[09:13] <alth> Frostwire crashes for me :(
[09:13] <redblades> elknof3, Do you have java installed?
[09:13] <sgbirch> alth: But, do you know how to get the boot: prompt with the server install CD?
[09:13] <rredd4> DSheperd  libglade2-0 is already the newest version
[09:14] <elknof3> redblades, frostwire is supposed to be in the repos, but adept couldnt find it
[09:14] <redblades> How odd?
[09:14] <redblades> : )
[09:14] <DShepherd> elknof3: when to the site.. downloaded limewire. install java and run the startup script
[09:14] <Hobbsee> !info frostwire
[09:14] <alth> sgbirch: Sorry, nope, haven't used the alternate CD myself.
[09:14] <ubotu> Package frostwire does not exist in dapper
[09:14] <elknof3> yeah, i've already installed sun-java5-bin package
[09:14] <Hobbsee> mmm okay
[09:14] <alth> Evening Hobbsee.
[09:14] <KevinIN72> !ftpsetup
[09:14] <ttongfly_>
[09:14] <Knome> phew! just edited the ubuntu wiki
[09:14] <ubotu> I know nothing about ftpsetup
[09:14] <DShepherd> rredd4: hhmm i have no clue
[09:14] <Hobbsee> hi alth
[09:14] <rredd4> ok
[09:14] <Hobbsee> Knome: nice work :)
[09:14] <timbooo> czer, which one is my ip
[09:14] <DShepherd> Hobbsee:   http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i141/DShepherd_photos/?action=view&current=Screenshot-Xnest.jpg. <-- do you know why i am getting this when I log in
[09:14] <elknof3> then i've tryied to run the runLime.sh file but nothing
[09:15] <DShepherd> Hobbsee: and how to fix it
[09:15] <DShepherd> elknof3: you have java installed?
[09:15] <sgbirch> has anyone had trouble with setserial on dapper?
[09:15] <elknof3> Dshepherd, sun-java5-bin? yes
[09:16] <Hobbsee> DShepherd: absolutely no idea - i dont use gnome.
[09:16] <KevinIN72> so no one has ftp on there server??
[09:16] <DShepherd> Hobbsee: ok
[09:16] <elknof3> Dshepherd, do i need something else??
[09:16] <rredd4> Hobbsee  hi.... I am getting this error when I install easyubuntu, any ideas please.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16253
[09:16] <DShepherd> elknof3: ... i dont think so
[09:16] <czer323> timbooo> it should say inet addr:
[09:16] <Knome> Easy Ubuntu isn't officially supported is it?
[09:16] <alth> To whoever was looking for Frostwire: http://www.frostwire.com/, Ubuntu/Debian version.
[09:16] <Hobbsee> Knome: not currently
[09:16] <DShepherd> elknof3: runLime.sh <-- that;s the file you clicking right?
[09:16] <czer323> knome> no, but it's recommended.
[09:16] <timbooo> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:17] <Hobbsee> rredd4: ask in #easyubuntu
[09:17] <elknof3> DShepherd, for sure...
[09:17] <L-----D> Knome: it isn't, i think
[09:17] <Knome> It froze when I tried it
[09:17] <czer323> timbooo> how many entries did you find?  I have two on mine.  lo and ath0.  lo is local.  but, its' not something that can get you online.
[09:17] <DShepherd> elknof3: i dont have a clue why that wouldnt be working
[09:17] <rredd4> Hobbsee did that, only 10 people there...
[09:18] <timbooo> I'm not seeing those different types
[09:18] <dinamizador> ldld
[09:18] <elknof3> i mean, nothing happens, at all, i remember on breeze a pop up asking if i really wanted to execute the file but now ....  nothing at all
[09:18] <timbooo> Why can't I freaking get those network manager options open again
[09:18] <czer323> timbooo> then try iwconfig
[09:18] <timbooo> The ones I had to type the WEP key in before I am not seeing
[09:19] <timbooo> I';m not getting an ip from iwconfig
[09:19] <hangfire> does anyone know how to make the transparent background for the console window work so you can see program windows and browser windows underneith instead of just seeing the desktop?
[09:20] <DShepherd> hangfire: its not possible in gnome.. not just yet :-)
[09:20] <KevinIN72> anyone tell me why this isnt working 'sudo apt-get install gftp'
[09:20] <hangfire> ok, thx DShepherd
[09:20] <czer323> iwconfig should just show wireless interfaces.
[09:20] <thoreauputic> !info gftp
[09:20] <ubotu> gftp: X/GTK+ FTP client. In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.0.18-11ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 44 kB, installed size 76 kB
[09:20] <DShepherd> hangfire: ok
[09:20] <timbooo> Ok well what am I looking for
[09:20] <czer323> timbooo> so, i'm wondering if ti even realizes if you have a card now.
[09:20] <thoreauputic> KevinIN72: you need the universe repo
[09:20] <KevinIN72> thoreauputic: that is
[09:20] <timbooo> Well what am I looking for
[09:20] <czer323> timbooo> I think networkmanager is definately working, but you don't have any active devices for it to use.
[09:21] <thoreauputic> !tell KevinIN72 about repos
[09:21] <elknof3> DShepherd, do you think that the difference could be cause im under kubuntu??
[09:21] <timbooo> Why haven't I been able to type in my WEP key like before
[09:21] <timbooo> What is the different
[09:21] <timbooo> difference
[09:21] <DShepherd> elknof3: maybe..
[09:21] <czer323> timbooo> exactly what I said before.  i'm not sure it realizes you have a wireless card.
[09:21] <DShepherd> elknof3: not sure though
[09:21] <timbooo> Then how do I tell it that I do
[09:22] <czer323> timbooo> try to check System> administration> network settings.  tell me how many devices you find there.
[09:22] <DShepherd> elknof3: what are you trying to install with easyubuntu?
[09:22] <ltibor65> Hi Guys! What shall I do when I receive this message: "checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no
[09:22] <ltibor65> *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
[09:22] <ltibor65> *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
[09:22] <ltibor65> *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
[09:22] <ltibor65> *** full path to gtk-config.
[09:22] <ltibor65> configure: error: Cannot find GTK: Is gtk-config in path?
[09:22] <dsas> !pastebin
[09:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:22] <redblades> !paste
[09:22] <timbooo> That's not an option, theres networking and network tools
[09:22] <redblades> Oops
[09:22] <redblades> You got there first
[09:22] <rredd4> timbooo  if you are using ndiswrapper    type   ndiswrapper -l   and tell us what it says
[09:23] <timbooo> I got to devices and it says I have two I guess
[09:23] <timbooo> I don't know what ndiswrapper is
[09:23] <jasonm> redblades, i checked the restricedformats page, and i was going to go with the 'make things work in a hurry' method... the page says there is a list of packages i need.
[09:23] <jasonm> im assuming i download these from the synaptic package manager, but i cant find them in the list when searching.. can anyone offer help
[09:23] <czer323> timbooo> networking it is
[09:23] <elknof3> DShepherd, i'm not using easyubuntu...    maybe someone else..
[09:23] <timbooo> Ok now what am I looking for
[09:24] <timbooo> It says "Wireless connection," "ethernet connection," "Modem connection"
[09:24] <redblades> jasonm, try this, "sudo apt-get install package-names-here"
[09:24] <timbooo> It appears I have the wireless, and it says "The interface eth1 is active."
[09:24] <KevinIN72> thoreauputic: so i need to install the right thing
[09:24] <thoreauputic> KevinIN72: just follow the repositories URL ubotu sent you
[09:24] <czer323> timbooo> refer back to the networkmanager instructions.  it says to disable these i think
[09:24] <czer323> !networkmanager
[09:24] <ubotu> networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager
[09:24] <thoreauputic> KevinIN72: you can add repositories in synaptic
[09:25] <DShepherd> elknof3: ok
[09:25] <holycow_> hellow fellow ubuntu peeps
[09:25] <Frogzoo> where does Gnome get its environment variables?
[09:26] <timbooo> I'm not seeing that
[09:26] <czer323> timbooo> it's in the issues section i think.
[09:26] <holycow_> Frogzoo, gconf
[09:26] <thoreauputic> Frogzoo: from a small planet near alpha centauri, probably
[09:26] <czer323> check the dapper section under issues.  try to do those things.
[09:26] <elknof3> DShepherd, how can i check if java is working??
[09:26] <Frogzoo> holycow_: yes, but setting /etc/environment, or /etc/profile doesn't get picked up - so where can I set them?
[09:26] <Minty> how do I edit and save mi sources.list ??
[09:27] <Frogzoo> thoreauputic: you think so? any evidence to support this wild conjecture, hmmm?
[09:27] <KevinIN72> thoreauputic: ok i think i found it thanks....
[09:27] <holycow_> Frogzoo, set what specifically? from command line there is a gconeditor or you can use the gui gconf editor as well
[09:27] <czer323> timbooo> I think the issue is that it's using the settings from ubuntu's default manager, and not networkmanager, which is a different program.
[09:27] <holycow_> what are you setting up specifically?
[09:27] <jasonm> redblades, im a little confused, do i do this in the terminal or with that package manager app, ...is that app just for packages i already have?
[09:27] <jasonm> redblades, you mind if i PM you?
[09:27] <DShepherd> elknof3: other than funning a java app.. not usre
[09:27] <DShepherd> sure*
[09:27] <thoreauputic> Frogzoo: just the otherworldly aspects of gnome ;-)
[09:27] <RancidLM> hey all im looking to setup a server and im interested in using ubuntu server.. is this still good though since every things using sudo?
[09:27] <Knome> I'm new at editing the wiki but any comments/suggestions are welcome here it is at the bottom of the page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Multimedia
[09:27] <farous> hi how can i prevent the auto-detection and display in nautilus > computer. for my hidden partitions?
[09:27] <timbooo> Ok so how do I change that
[09:27] <timbooo> How do I solve my problem
[09:28] <redblades> jasonm, go ahead
[09:28] <holycow_> RancidLM, its actually perfect, BUT using ubuntu as a server is not a good idea for a few other reasons.  mainly because it is a frozen debian UNSTABLE ... something you should never use as a server
[09:28] <Daniel0> is there anything else i need to do after running "apt-get install php5"? because it do not work
[09:28] <kinema> does anyone know of a program that using traceroute, ping and other such utilities can determine which from a list of hosts/servers/mirrors is closest to you?
[09:28] <DShepherd> :-( .. anyone.. help
[09:28] <czer323> timbooo> that article talks about what to do.  again, in the issues section, under dapper.
[09:28] <holycow_> RancidLM, ubuntu only supports like 2000 packages by default, if you use anything outside of that as server it will be newer  but it won't be supported with security updates and usually will have some flaw
[09:28] <thoreauputic> holycow_: umm - that would be why ubuntu.com runs on ubuntu I guess...
[09:28] <czer323> timboo> start with "If it is not managing your network connections after upgrading to Dapper,"
[09:28] <elknof3> does someone knows how to check if java is working??
[09:29] <Frogzoo> holycow_: I need to pass "MAIL" to my mail-notification applet...
[09:29] <holycow_> RancidLM, a better option for server would be debian stable, you get 16 000 security updated packages out of the box
[09:29] <holycow_> Frogzoo, thats just my humble opinion, others may see it differently
[09:29] <timbooo> Am I supposed to be writing the things in those boxes into terminal?
[09:29] <RancidLM> holycow_: u see the only draw back is.. for a server iv been using a OLD suse. or something and im addicted to yast as a console controll panel never really used any thing else as a server
[09:29] <farous> also was thinking of changing to powersaved. is it better or worse then powernowd that is installed by default
[09:29] <timbooo> Sorry, but I am VERY NEW to linux, and I'm not really understanding all of that section
[09:30] <thoreauputic> kinema: netselect
[09:30] <thoreauputic> !info netselect
[09:30] <ubotu> netselect: Choose the fastest server automatically. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.3.ds1-5 (dapper), package size 18 kB, installed size 92 kB
[09:30] <Frogzoo> brb
[09:30] <holycow_> RancidLM, yeah i used to use suse too, but i hated yast.  you arent going to get anything here even remotely close to yast system admin tools ... but kinda sorta
[09:31] <kinema> thoreauputic: thanks
[09:31] <Knome> Daniel0: apt-get install libapache-mod-php5 php5-mysql php5-gd
[09:31] <farous> ok how can i force udev to pass the automatic detection of my hidden partition
[09:31] <farous> kinema: when you use netselect though backup your sources.list file
[09:31] <holycow_> RancidLM, ubuntu does use an updated gnome and a lot of frontend polish so it 'might' be a tad easier to admin, but for server stuff it will pay off to learn how to setup whatever server thing you need the hard way ...
[09:31] <czer323> timbooo> it's telling you to type commands in terminal and then edit a file it's going to open.
[09:31] <holycow_> i'm not really answering your question am ai?
[09:31] <idanimrod> hello, just wondering, anyone still using breezy?
[09:31] <holycow_> lol
[09:32] <Daniel0> Knome: it says "Package libapache-mod-php5 is not available, but is referred to by another package." when i try to do that
[09:32] <MattSta> i am having problems installing wine
[09:32] <czer323> timbooo> essentially, you just need to 'comment out a line' in a file.  Just need to open the files it's talking about and put a # in the front of some of those sections.
[09:32] <Diem> Is eps still here?
[09:32] <MattSta> there is an error
[09:32] <Knome> Daniel0  - that's all I got bro
[09:32] <timbooo> It asked me for a password?
[09:32] <timbooo> when I tried to type in the first command
[09:32] <killaz> maybe not the right place to ask... but anyone in here nstalled the vmware server?
[09:32] <timbooo> and then it wouldnt type anything in when I tried to type
[09:33] <Daniel0> ok
[09:33] <MattSta> This package is an installer package, it does not actually contain the
[09:33] <MattSta> J2SDK documentation.  You will need to go download one of the
[09:33] <MattSta> archives:
[09:33] <MattSta>     j2sdk-1_4_2-doc.zip j2sdk-1_4_0-doc-ja.zip j2sdk-1_4_2-doc-ja.zip
[09:33] <MattSta> (choose the non-update version if this is the first installation).
[09:33] <MattSta> Please visit
[09:33] <MattSta>     http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html
[09:33] <MattSta> now and download.  The file should be owned by root.root and be copied
[09:33] <MattSta> to /tmp.
[09:33] <Minty> Help please I know how to sudo gedit /etc/apt.sources.list but cant save it as it wont allow me to
[09:33] <MattSta> thats the error
[09:33] <MattSta> anyone please
[09:34] <hangfire> is there a link for installing sun java? I see this question asked all the time
[09:34] <DShepherd> !java
[09:34] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[09:34] <farous> MattSta: state your question on one to tow lines then wait someone will help for sure
[09:34] <Knome> Daniel0 try = apache modconf apache enable mod_php5
[09:34] <oni-dracula> hey does anyone know how to obtain a copy of the Raptor: Call of the Shadows linux port?
[09:34] <farous> hangfire: sun java is already in multiverse
[09:34] <Daniel0> Knome: nevermind, i found out what the problem with php was
[09:34] <Knome> edit= apache-modconf
[09:34] <MattSta> ok, sorry, i am trying to install wine, but an error message comes up in the terminal
[09:35] <Knome> ok
[09:35] <pez> Has anyone installed iTunes, in Ubuntu?
[09:35] <SiliconViper> oni-dracula, *nods* I have a copy of it kicking around somewhere.
[09:35] <holycow_> oni-dracula, in this channel we buy it :)
[09:35] <czer323> timboo> yeah, that's pretty normal. it wasts the user password that you setup when you created the account.
[09:35] <Hobbsee> MattSta: please dont paste
[09:35] <hangfire> farous- well its not default
[09:35] <Hobbsee> !tell pez about restricted
[09:35] <czer323> timbooo> when you type, nothing shows up.  That's normal.  just type it an hit return .
[09:35] <oni-dracula> well, they do have a SHAREWARE version for DOS/Win
[09:35] <farous> MattSta: use the pastebin
[09:35] <SiliconViper> oni-dracula, if I can recall where I bought it, I'll let you know.
[09:35] <MattSta> what is pastenbin
[09:35] <timbooo> The file isnt matching up
[09:35] <oni-dracula> SiliconViper, that would be kind of you
[09:35] <SiliconViper> oni-dracula, no worries.
[09:36] <farous> hangfire: default? if they enable the multiverse they can install it no fuss :)
[09:36] <timbooo> Their description is different than mine, and I dont know whats wrong
[09:36] <farous> !tell MattSta about pastebin
[09:36] <Knome> http://www.pastebin.com == paste your sh*t here
[09:36] <farous> ok someone more familiar with ubuntu new synatax can help then
[09:37] <Micksa> phwoar.
[09:37] <Micksa> can people talk about dapper in here now? :)
[09:37] <dsas> Micksa: Yes.
[09:37] <hangfire> farous, yes I know its installs with no fuss, but when you compile with javac filename.java, it will get compiled with that stupid gnu java
[09:37] <SiliconViper> Okay, so here's the story. I installed WinXP, 'cause I needed to run some software for work. Aaannnd....  -_- Google overloads my brain, but I recall something good on the Wiki about fixing it. I don't care if Windows boots again, I already finished what needed to be finished.
[09:37] <czer323> timbooo> paste bin what yours looks like.
[09:37] <czer323> !pastebin
[09:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:38] <farous> hangfire: you need to select sun-java. in a terminal type sudo update-alternatives --config java
[09:38] <hangfire> ok, thx for that farous
[09:38] <Knome> man X sh*t itself and died when I tried to install xgl/compiz
[09:38] <SiliconViper> Anyone mind telling me (or linking me to a doc) how to reinstall grub to the MBR again?
[09:38] <farous> hangfire: will be given a menu with all the java installed select what you prefer
[09:38] <holycow_> SiliconViper, you installed windows after installing ubuntu?
[09:38] <holycow_> ah okay
[09:38] <MattSta> i sent the pastebin
[09:38] <holycow_> !dualboot
[09:38] <SiliconViper> holycow_, unfortunately, yes.
[09:38] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions for x86/amd64 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo - for mac https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[09:38] <holycow_> maybe that will help you?
[09:38] <farous> MattSta: ok give us the link in the room
[09:39] <Micksa> okay. A recent dist-upgrade (from dapper, previously post-release anyway) caused a few things to go wonky.  when I start an app from panel the cute box zoomy thing is arse slow.  Also the keyboard repeat is acting up, and repeats at weird intervals rather than what you would expect.
[09:39] <Minty> Help please I know how to sudo gedit /etc/apt.sources.list but cant save it as it wont allow me to
[09:39] <Micksa> anyone else had problems like these?
[09:39] <Frem> How can I set NdisWrapper as the default wifi driver instead of MadWifi? I've got it all loaded and working and everything, but how do I make it the default?
[09:39] <Micksa> it's an inspiron 6000
[09:39] <hangfire> super, thx farous
[09:39] <MattSta> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16255
[09:39] <farous> hangfire :)
[09:39] <SiliconViper> holycow_, that's the document I was thinking of, thanks.
[09:40] <SiliconViper> However... it doesn't help. -_- Damn.
[09:40] <farous> MattSta: this is not an error just follow those instructions
[09:40] <farous> MattSta: that is for java docs right
[09:40] <SiliconViper> It just tells how to install Ubuntu after Windows... which isn't something I really want to do. I already HAVE a wonderfully happy Ubuntu installation.
[09:41] <MattSta> but i installed java already
[09:41] <farous> SiliconViper: do you have install disc
[09:41] <Madpilot> SiliconViper, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:41] <SiliconViper> farous, yep.
[09:41] <timbooo> Does pastebin usually take 3 hours to upload a few lines of text?
[09:41] <farous> MattSta: this to install the documentation. the package is to help you install it
[09:41] <_extricate_> can i use sudo apt get to get the latest firefox version?
[09:41] <timbooo> finally
[09:42] <timbooo> czer323: http://pastebin.com/724894
[09:42] <timbooo> thats what I got
[09:42] <dsas> _extricate_: doing that will get you firefox 1.5
[09:42] <Hoxzer_> _extricate_: :/ I dont think so
[09:42] <MattSta> i am kind of confused
[09:42] <holycow_> SiliconViper, i don't know the direct answer, but you know what
[09:42] <_extricate_> damn
[09:42] <_extricate_> so i gotta do it manually :(
[09:42] <Hoxzer_> Is it possible to get 1.5 vai apt-get ? :O
[09:42] <_extricate_> thanks guys
[09:42] <holycow_> you can reinstall ubuntu over top of it self and that will reinstall grub
[09:42] <farous> SiliconViper: put it in and boot. at the boot prompt type rescue. do not worry follow the menu and you will get at the end an option to reinstall grub. it is recommended ot use an installation cd not a live one
[09:42] <dsas> _extricate_: firefox 1.5.04 to be exact.
[09:42] <holycow_> then you can just go into grub.conf and point it to your windows dir ... as per those documents you are reading
[09:42] <Minty> help you guys as I am stuck, how do i save my sources.list file as it is a read only file
[09:43] <Flannel> SiliconViper, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:43] <Hobbsee> Minty: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list in a console
[09:43] <holycow_> farous, but he installed winxp after ubuntu and no longer has grub installed, he can't exactly get ubuntu running,no?
[09:43] <dsas> _extricate_: So it will get you the latest version
[09:43] <Zambezi> Is the a command to show added servers? Added by /addserver irc.freenode.net
[09:43] <Flannel> holycow_, you too, or... whoever actually needed it.
[09:43] <holycow_> Flannel, not me no
[09:43] <Minty> Hobbsee can do that but it wont let me save it :(
[09:43] <SiliconViper> farous, holycow_, if I reinstall, will it revert to the older version? I'm booting from a 5.10 LiveCD.
[09:43] <Flannel> SiliconViper: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:44] <holycow_> SiliconViper, well download th enew one of course
[09:44] <Hobbsee> Minty: if you stick sudo in front, it will
[09:44] <neutrinomass> Minty: Pay attention to the  "sudo" part of Hobbsee command ...
[09:44] <SiliconViper> Flannel, already got it from farous, and am reading it at the moment.
[09:44] <czer323> Timboo> I'm submitting an update to that file.  I'll tell you when it's done saving.
[09:44] <farous> SiliconViper: reinstalling grub you will have your system as is not the old one
[09:44] <holycow_> SiliconViper, oh this is actually correct info, this will work indeed
[09:45] <holycow_> farous, or whoever, nice i didn't see that before
[09:45] <holycow_> is that in the ubotu? it should be
[09:45] <holycow_> !rescue
[09:45] <SiliconViper> holycow_, I already have a functional Ubuntu 6.06 installation, though.. should I really need to download a newer ISO?
[09:45] <ubotu> To rescue a broken system, boot the alternate install CD and select "Rescue a broken system"
[09:45] <S0me1> .
[09:45] <jasonm> when i try to install packages i get the message
[09:45] <jasonm> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly.
[09:45] <holycow_> SiliconViper, newer live cd yes, this is what these instructions need
[09:45] <Minty> Hobbsee / Neutrin. Ok I'm a pratt thought that I had sudo'd it, many thanks
[09:45] <SiliconViper> holycow_, farous, Flannel. Thanks for the help.
[09:45] <compengi> who knows how to configure boot
[09:46] <gnuyen> hey, does anyone know of a way to replace a string in multiple files?
[09:46] <czer323> timbooo> check it: http://pastebin.com/724901
[09:46] <Frogzoo> !recoveringgrub
[09:46] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:46] <timbooo> Ok thanks czer3233
[09:46] <timbooo> *323
[09:46] <gnuyen> i tried using sed, but it just outputs to stdout, i want it to actually replace the files
[09:46] <tomlikestorock> please god tell me there is a channel dedicated to ati driver problems for ubuntu
[09:46] <holycow_> Frogzoo, cool danke
[09:46] <gnuyen> and creating a temporary file and copying it over seems wrong
[09:46] <Frogzoo> holycow_: yw
[09:46] <gnuyen> i'm sure there's an easier way
[09:46] <holycow_> tomlikestorock, well unfortunately its called #gobuynvidiacard
[09:46] <holycow_> *cough*
[09:46] <holycow_> that was a little joke
[09:46] <Knome> haha
[09:46] <holycow_> :)
[09:46] <tomlikestorock> holycow: little jokes don't fit into my laptop ;)
[09:47] <tomlikestorock> I'm stuck with this thing :(
[09:47] <compengi> when i updated the ubuntu at boot there are 2 kernel systems how can i remove one
[09:47] <holycow_> tomlikestorock, lol sorry
[09:47] <farous> compengi: use synaptic
[09:47] <holycow_> tomlikestorock, well what is the problem exactly
[09:47] <czer323> timboo> try to save that and then restart the computer once that file has been updated.
[09:47] <Frogzoo> tomlikestorock: which vid card? if it's +8500 radeon, install fglrx
[09:47] <farous> it is liunx-image-,,, pacakage
[09:47] <tomlikestorock> it's an X700 mobility
[09:47] <oni-dracula> where exactly does one find a .deb of grub conf?
[09:47] <Frem> How can I make ubuntu load the ndiswrapper module and NOT the ath_pci* modules? /etc/modules just has lp and psmouse in it, so I assume that even if I stick ndiswrapper in it, the madwifi stuff will still be loaded.
[09:47] <tomlikestorock> the default drivers work, I'm using the thing now
[09:47] <S0me1> .
[09:47] <compengi> how do i remove it
[09:47] <Frogzoo> !fglrx
[09:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:48] <bjv> i used to be able to reset the clock with /etc/init.d/nfssomethingorantother
[09:48] <tomlikestorock> problem is I'm not getting correct resolutions or 3d from the card
[09:48] <bjv> they changed the name with dapper?
[09:48] <bjv> how do you reset the clock with ntp now?
[09:48] <holycow_> tomlikestorock, thats just configuration
[09:48] <tomlikestorock> I tried ati's drivers, they actually made the touchpad wonky. reinstalled.
[09:48] <holycow_> tomlikestorock, read the instructions frogzoo posted, both problems are solved by those instructions
[09:48] <bjv> !ntp
[09:48] <compengi> farous how do i remove it
[09:48] <tomlikestorock> currenly, I've done a sudo apt-get install firegl-control which downloaded all the firegl stuff
[09:48] <ubotu> I know nothing about ntp
[09:49] <farous> compengi: just uninstall it
[09:49] <tomlikestorock> holycow: the binarydriverhowto link?
[09:49] <holycow_> yep
[09:49] <Frogzoo> holycow_: you mean to suggest that people should actually read the info suggested?! zounds...
[09:49] <tomlikestorock> :( I feel like I'm going in circles
[09:49] <holycow_> Frogzoo, lol
[09:49] <neutrinomass> bjv: I think it's ntpdate....
[09:50] <holycow_> i know man i know, its hard to keep on repeating the same thing every day
[09:50] <bjv> neutrinomass:   /etc/init.d/ntpdate: No such file or directory
[09:50] <jasonm> redblades, im not sure if you were getting the messages i was sending you. im using the gaim irc client.
[09:50] <holycow_> http://videosift.com/story.php?id=4248  <-- offtopic but neat re: 3d desktop
[09:50] <neutrinomass> bjv: Sorry, /usr/bin/ntpdate
[09:50] <tomlikestorock> frogzoo: it's just that I've been there... done that
[09:50] <compengi> farous, i'm a new linux user
[09:50] <tomlikestorock> frogzoo: guess I'll rereread
[09:51] <Frogzoo> holycow_: oh, and if you export env variables from /etc/profile, gnome picks it up quite happily
[09:51] <Frogzoo> tomlikestorock: there's a good idea
[09:51] <holycow_> Frogzoo, oh really?
[09:51] <holycow_> i didn't know that
[09:51] <timbooo> wait
[09:51] <timbooo> czer323
[09:51] <timbooo> What am I saving?
[09:51] <czer323> timbooo
[09:51] <timbooo> and how do I update?
[09:51] <neutrinomass> bjv: Of course, you can go to the clock/date thingy at the top right of a default gnome installation and synchronize from there
[09:51] <DShepherd>   http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i141/DShepherd_photos/?action=view&current=Screenshot-Xnest.jpg. how do i fix this error?
[09:52] <farous> thoreauputic: yah that is better thanx :)
[09:52] <czer323> timbooo> that file you opened.  see the changes i made in the pastebin?  just add those # infront of everything but the localhost.
[09:52] <czer323> and then save that file.
[09:52] <elknof3> !paste
[09:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:52] <timbooo> I am reloading the page, and for some reason pastebin takes FOREVER for me
[09:53] <bjv> neutrinomass: ah, i do not run gnome, but yeah otherwise id do that
[09:53] <Daniel0> how do you rename files in the terminal?
[09:53] <czer323> timbooo> it's slow for me too, but you'll see. it's pretty damn simple.
[09:53] <bjv> binary will work for syncing, i just used to be able to do it with refreshing the service
[09:53] <holycow_> Daniel0, mv is the best way to do that actually, rename is cryptic to use
[09:54] <tomlikestorock> frogzoo: in my xorg.conf... it's ok to have two "Screen" sections, right?
[09:54] <Daniel0> ok thanks
[09:54] <Hoxzer_> ok thx .9
[09:55] <Frogzoo> tomlikestorock: have you installed xorg-driver-fglrx ?
[09:55] <tomlikestorock> guess I'll know in a second.
[09:55] <timbooo> I DONT SEE ANY CHANGES!
[09:56] <czer323> lol
[09:56] <czer323> timbooo> alright, here's the descriptoin.
[09:56] <bina> Hi, I'm trying to use encfs but I get permission denied when I try to use fusermount.  How to I allow my user to use fusermount (sudo... works)?
[09:57] <neutrinomass> bjv:  /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate
[09:57] <czer323> timbooo> added # infront of every line but the first 2 lines.
[09:57] <DShepherd> so no one knows about my error?
[09:57] <tomlikestorock> holy sweet christ.
[09:57] <tomlikestorock> holy sweet used car salesman christ
[09:58] <holycow_> tomlikestorock, so reading helped i take it?
[09:58] <Frogzoo> lol
[09:58] <tomlikestorock> I... did... nothing.. different...?
[09:58] <bjv> neutrinomass: supercool-beans. thankyou. :)
[09:58] <holycow_> DShepherd, that doesnt actually give us enough information to even guess why itsnot loading up
[09:58] <holycow_> :/
[09:59] <Steff_breezy> Hi, I ordered an AMD 64 3200 CPU and a new board, do I have to use the 64 Bit version of ubuntu, or can I install my normal breezy cd again?
[09:59] <neutrinomass> bjv: You're welcome :)
[09:59] <bjv> neutrinomass: so that's where i moved too.
[09:59] <timbooo> Ok
[09:59] <timbooo> Even the blank lines?
[09:59] <bjv> no
[09:59] <bjv> i used the same hard drive i had my 32bit ubuntu on in a new machine
[09:59] <dli> DShepherd, check you ~/.xsession-errorsr
[09:59] <DShepherd> holycow_: that's all i know..  i suspect its something with xsession.. but that's as far as my knowledge goess.. and google hasnt been nice...
[09:59] <holycow_> Steff_breezy, you can use 32 bit, infact, it might be best to use 32 bit fror now, we gotta wait for things like 64 bit flash and other 64 bit media support
[09:59] <holycow_> !64bit
[09:59] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[09:59] <Frogzoo> Steff_breezy: no, the 686 kernel will run fine, and running 32 bit is actually better supported, I'd recommend it
[09:59] <DShepherd> dli: ok
[09:59] <bjv> x86_64 cpus can run 32bit code native
[10:00] <alth> Hey guys, I'm running Java 1.4.2, having problems with Frostwire etc, was told to update my Java. What's the quickest way to do that? (I believe my Java was installed by Automatix.)
[10:00] <alth> [/noob question]
[10:00] <neutrinomass> Steff_breezy: Yes you can. You won't take advantage of the 64bits of your  architecture but that wont be much of a problem, considering that x86 is more stable than amd-64 ...
[10:00] <czer323> timbooo> no, that's not necessary.
[10:00] <timbooo> k
[10:00] <dli> DShepherd, some good ideas, apt-get --reinstall install ubuntu-desktop , or even reinstall the whole gnome, rm ~/.gconf* ~/.gnome* first
[10:00] <timbooo> I did it
[10:00] <timbooo> Now do I save or what?
[10:00] <timbooo> What do I do with this
[10:00] <czer323> save it
[10:01] <DShepherd> dli: ok
[10:01] <czer323> and reboot
[10:01] <sneex> where can I find information about how to make my own Ubuntu LiveCD?
[10:01] <timbooo> Save it to where?
[10:01] <timbooo> And How? Terminal isnt giving me a file save
[10:01] <Steff_breezy> Frogzoo, holycow_ , neutrinomass : ok, thats fine. but I guess I have to do a reinstall after the board change?
[10:01] <timbooo> And i suspect that that isnt the way to save it
[10:01] <holycow_> Steff_breezy, no thats only on windows
[10:01] <Frogzoo> Steff_breezy: not if you are already running 32bit....
[10:01] <neutrinomass> Steff_breezy: AFAIK no, it won't be necessary ...
[10:01] <dli> sneex, take the official livecd, make your kernel image , initrd image, and squashfs
[10:01] <bjv> sneex: investigate maybe morphix..?
[10:02] <Steff_breezy> Frogzoo, holycow_ , neutrinomass : phantastic
[10:02] <holycow_> Steff_breezy, infact you can install linux on an hd, and put the hd in any machine and go.  you just haveto make sure its on the same ide channel, the kernel doesn't have support for channel changes (or is it grub)
[10:02] <dli> sneex, however, ubuntu livecd sucks, try knoppix, or make your own livecd in gentoo
[10:02] <czer323> timbooo> to be honest, i'm not familiar with the program you're using.  Nano.
[10:02] <sneex> thx
[10:02] <holycow_> Steff_breezy, what i do at work is preload a bunch of hd's, and when we switch an office over, i just take the hds with me, take the wincrap out, put in breezy an dpower up ... very few problems if any
[10:03] <Frogzoo> Steff_breezy: just be sure to keep you hard drives in the same positions & you'll be fine
[10:03] <czer323> Timbooo> so give me a minute while i figure it out real quick.
[10:03] <Knome> !troll
[10:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about troll
[10:03] <timbooo> I'm on terminal
[10:03] <neutrinomass> Frogzoo: I don't think the kernel minds, it's probably grub ...
[10:03] <DShepherd> dli: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16258 <-- care to shed some light?
[10:03] <czer323> timbooo> that command opened the program nano inside of terminal.
[10:03] <Steff_breezy> then I just have to reinstall windows and manage to reinstall grub again, but I already have a howto for that  :)
[10:03] <Frogzoo> neutrinomass: if you move your hard disk, grub & /etc/fstab need to change is all
[10:03] <Azertyuuu> hey all, I want to run a Live CD, but Grub always interrupts (it starts earlier) , how can I change that ?
[10:03] <holycow_> Steff_breezy, correct
[10:04] <timbooo> ok
[10:04] <timbooo> Well let me know if you find how I save this
[10:04] <czer323> timbooo> alright, use ctrl-o to save and then whatever it asks is fine.
[10:04] <Frogzoo> Steff_breezy: if you keep your drive in the same location, I don't think you'll need to touch grub - it should just boot
[10:04] <neutrinomass> Frogzoo: Ahh, yes, we've got fstab too ... missed that .
[10:04] <timbooo> Yep
[10:04] <czer323> timbooo> it should tell you that it wrote x ammount of lines.
[10:04] <timbooo> it says Wrote 18 lines
[10:04] <tomlikestorock> frogzoo, holycow: thanks for reminding me to reread
[10:04] <timbooo> yep
[10:04] <tomlikestorock> er, rereread
[10:05] <czer323> timbooo> alright, reboot.
[10:05] <timbooo> k
[10:05] <dli> DShepherd, reinstall gdm
[10:05] <holycow_> tomlikestorock, thats about 99% of the tech support in here actually
[10:05] <holycow_> :)
[10:05] <DShepherd> dli: ok
[10:05] <timbooo> Lol i keep grabbing my mouse for my pc and moving it to the right looking at my laptop screen
[10:05] <timbooo> WHY WONT YOU MOVE
[10:05] <dli> DShepherd, don't forget to remove ~/.gconf* ~/.gnome*
[10:05] <DShepherd> dli: ok
[10:05] <Steff_breezy> Frogzoo, ok, but win xp will overwrite grub, will it not?
[10:05] <alth> I've done that a lot, timbooo  :P
[10:05] <timbooo> hehe
[10:05] <Frogzoo> Steff_breezy: indeed it will
[10:05] <tomlikestorock> holycow: I just felt like I'd read every single faq, howto and wiki on the damned thing. Thought I was becoming an expert on this. heh.
[10:06] <ompaul> !grub
[10:06] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:06] <tomlikestorock> holycow: regarding the ati thing, that is
[10:06] <ompaul> Steff_breezy, ^^ up a couple of lines to ubotu
[10:06] <biberao> hi
[10:06] <tomlikestorock> ok, how 'bout this one: how do I get tv-out?
[10:06] <Steff_breezy> ompaul, thx !
[10:06] <biberao> may someone help me with DHCP server?
[10:06] <czer323> timbooo> lack of coffee or sleep deprivation would cause that.
[10:07] <timbooo> lol
[10:07] <timbooo> I have been awake since noon
[10:07] <Steff_breezy> besides, what does that mean? ^^  ??
[10:07] <tomlikestorock> !ati
[10:07] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:07] <czer323> Yeah, i woke up around 4pm. lol.
[10:07] <timbooo> Do you all know if linux uses less battery life on laptops than windows?
[10:07] <timbooo> Cause that would be nice
[10:07] <ompaul> Steff_breezy, ^^ look up a line or two
[10:07] <biberao> please anyone?
[10:07] <Knome> timboo: I've read that it does
[10:08] <holycow_> timbooo, no difference but you need to setup cpu frequncy scaling to get optimum power saving.  google it up.
[10:08] <czer323> timbooo> Well, the answer lies in how much processing power does linux require to do the same tasks that windows takes.
[10:08] <timbooo> Hm
[10:08] <neutrinomass> Does anybody know how to use 'nn' ? (I think I have a patch for one of its bugs but can't test it myself ... )
[10:08] <celestetorres> hola
[10:08] <Steff_breezy> ompaul, hm? I mean, what is the meaning of this "^^"?
[10:08] <ompaul> Steff_breezy, ^^ = look up a line or two
[10:09] <Steff_breezy> ompaul, ah, i see!!
[10:09] <Steff_breezy> ok, thanks all! have a nice day
[10:09] <timbooo> czer323: I have good news
[10:09] <timbooo> I'm seeing signal bars
[10:09] <Azertyuuu> !bios
[10:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about bios
[10:10] <Azertyuuu> !mbr
[10:10] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wine for more information.
[10:11] <Steff_breezy> bye, cu
[10:11] <Znortfl> holycow_: I enter runlevel 1 to install the driver, it asks if im sure, because it needs runlevel 3
[10:11] <timbooo> Yeah,  I'm a lot more glad than you are I'm sure
[10:11] <killaz> if I start a service where in the logs can I check for problems and errors?
[10:11] <timbooo> Thanks for the help
[10:11] <jasonm> Can anyone help me out with installing packages... i keep getting the message that package does not have installation candidate.
[10:11] <Znortfl> holycow_: but when I enter runlevel 3, it starts up gdm
[10:11] <timbooo> I have some questions about linux, mind if I ask before I go to bed?
[10:11] <holycow_> Znortfl, why are you doing that?
[10:11] <holycow_> !nvidia
[10:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:11] <holycow_> just follow those instructions
[10:12] <dli> jasonm, go to packages.ubuntu.com and search for your package, you can search in synaptic or apt-cache (apt-file)
[10:12] <Znortfl> holycow_: It asks for a lower runlevel, so I give the lower runlevel. Well I'll try that howto and then see. thanks
[10:12] <holycow_> naw, just do it in the terminal
[10:12] <czer323> timbooo> you can try.  you'll have to forgive me if i can't answer any of them.  To be perfectly honest, i'm going on week 2 of using ubuntu and linux. lol ;)
[10:12] <holycow_> then restart xserver or do /etc/ini.d/gdm restart
[10:12] <holycow_> thats all
[10:12] <hangfire> isnt easyubuntu a good way for installing graphic drivers?
[10:12] <timbooo> No, they're really basic
[10:12] <timbooo> Just general questions
[10:12] <hangfire> ok
[10:12] <czer323> i cna try
[10:12] <grodius> What tool do I use to make a source file into a pkg?
[10:12] <tomlikestorock> holycow: you know where I can find info on how to get tv-out on this thing?
[10:12] <tomlikestorock> !tv
[10:12] <timbooo> Like, what are the benefits of using linux?
[10:12] <ubotu> I know nothing about tv
[10:12] <tomlikestorock> !tv-out
[10:12] <ubotu> I know nothing about tv-out
[10:13] <timbooo> Am I still going to be able to use all my media files like DVDs and everything
[10:13] <czer323> timbooo> loooooool, only thing i've found is that updates are quicker and it's free.  A bit more versatile... or so they say.
[10:13] <alth> Ok, I'm trying to install a new version of Java, my previous version was installed by Automatix, how do I remove it?
[10:13] <holycow_> tv out on ati? not sure, i use a hauppage card for that sor tof thing ... don't have an answer for that sorry
[10:13] <timbooo> Yeah, and pretty much everything is free
[10:13] <czer323> czer323> i've not been using it long enough to even find replacements for all the software i'm used to using.
[10:13] <timbooo> all the programs
[10:14] <dli> grodius, for your own use or for a public repository?
[10:14] <czer323> timbooo> I mean, honestly... At times, I feel like i've taken my productivity down because i'm constantly troubleshooting.  sure, i knwo it's going to make me better with linux,  but... should i really have to learn the computer to get a job done?
[10:14] <holycow_> alth, if you installed anything with automatix, i strongly suggest biting the bullet and installing ubuntu.  then never again using the following letters in this sequence for anything: a.u.t.o.m.a.t.i.x
[10:14] <DShepherd> dli: thanks that worked.
[10:14] <dli> grodius, for your own use, you may try checkinstall
[10:14] <holycow_> you have been a bad boy
[10:14] <holycow_> lol
[10:14] <timbooo> Yeah
[10:15] <czer323> timbooo> on a side note, i do technical support for apple computers and people call in all the time and say, I know nothing about my computer, but I'm a photoshop graphics designer and have been using it for 10 years.
[10:15] <holycow_> czer323, well, should you really haveto learn to drive a car before you drive?
[10:15] <bina> Hi, I'm trying to use encfs but I get permission denied when I try to use fusermount.  How to I allow my user to use fusermount (sudo... works)?
[10:15] <dli> DShepherd, okay, any idea how it messed up? whom to blame? yourself or ubuntu?
[10:15] <holycow_> czer323, i mean, afterall, you just buy one get some keys and go, right?
[10:15] <timbooo> Hehe
[10:15] <DShepherd> dli: no me..
[10:15] <timbooo> Is there an equivilant to photoshop on linux?
[10:15] <killaz> timbooo, gimp
[10:15] <czer323> holycow_> your analogy is flawed.  Should i learn about how a car works internally and become a mechanic, before i start driving.
[10:15] <holycow_> gimp
[10:15] <holycow_> its awesome
[10:15] <watson540> tomlikestorock: do you mean tv tuner out? or tv out as in to your tv?
[10:15] <holycow_> czer323, no its not flawed
[10:16] <holycow_> if you want to know how to do something with a tool you haveto learn how to use the tool
[10:16] <dli> DShepherd, okay, I heard the dapper release is a shame of debian nowadays
[10:16] <holycow_> being a mechanic is analogous to being a programmer
[10:16] <holycow_> learning to drive is analogous to learning how to operate a system
[10:16] <czer323> holycow_> troubleshooting is like being a mechanic.  being an engineer who designed the engine is like being a programmer.
[10:16] <alth> holycow_: Yes, I know, but I've spent a week getting Ubuntu to work perfectly and I'd rather not reinstall ;) Any /useful/ advice for the problem at hand? I'm not planning on using Automatix again.
[10:16] <Killuminati> Umm
[10:16] <czer323> holycow+a driver is like a regular user
[10:16] <holycow_> czer323, nope, wrong
[10:16] <Killuminati> My firefox won't work
[10:17] <holycow_> czer323, well see if you want to take that attitude thats fine
[10:17] <holycow_> czer323, but do yo usee where that got windows users?
[10:17] <DShepherd> dli: I have another error though,  I am not sure if you can assist me,, its about the power manager not being able to start until the dbus session service is started. know how i can get the dbus to start
[10:17] <dli> Killuminati, elaborate?
[10:17] <Killuminati> dli, I just updated it and it's broken =/
[10:17] <holycow_> czer323, if yo ufeel being a complete idiot all your life is okay, thats fine, i'm cool.  people will pay me to fix their muck ups one way or th eother
[10:17] <dli> DShepherd, /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[10:17] <Killuminati> My internet is obviously not at fault because I'm here.
[10:17] <czer323> holycow_, I'm a computer user man.  i do windows, linux and mac. ;)
[10:17] <holycow_> but in reality you only have two choices, learn to use your tool or pay someone who already learned to use them
[10:17] <ompaul> czer323, if that were the case then I would not like you to "try to fix my car" I give my car to people who fix cars, anyway this is offtopic and there is a channel for that
[10:17] <holycow_> there is  no other way
[10:17] <Znortfl> holycow_: The nvidia version listed in the repository is older than the version listed on the nvidia site
[10:17] <dli> DShepherd, double check with update-rc.d
[10:17] <metusine> anyone know how to get tora going with mysql?
[10:18] <JPT> Hey, how do I get my resolution higher than 1024x768?  I just got Ubuntu 6.06 installed...
[10:18] <DShepherd> dli: ok
[10:18] <ompaul> !offtopic
[10:18] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:18] <timbooo> Thanks for your help czer, i'm sure ill be back
[10:18] <holycow_> czer323, i do too, but thats a mac and windows attitude, and its a terrible thing to have on all platforms
[10:18] <Killuminati> Anybody mind helping?
[10:18] <holycow_> czer323, the thing is if you have the basic skills for the platform, there isn't troubleshooting to do
[10:18] <alth> So. Aside from Holycow's advice to reinstall ubuntu, does anyone know how I can remove my Java? :)
[10:18] <farous> Killuminati: can you restate your prov
[10:18] <farous> prob
[10:18] <dli> !tell JPT about fixres
[10:18] <Killuminati> I recieve responses when I ping servers
[10:18] <DShepherd> dli: there seems to be 2 of them.. one under share.. on under sbin. does it matter ?
[10:18] <Killuminati> farous, Firefox will not load any webpages.
[10:18] <holycow_> czer323, the only troubleshooting we do in this channel for example is the same as for windows users, we tell them what they should already know, over and over and over and over and over again
[10:19] <holycow_> btw, i do that with mac users too
[10:19] <czer323> holycow_, tell that to everyone who just installed ubuntu and can't get it to work right.  tell them that they should already know how to fix it.
[10:19] <Killuminati> Oh, nevermind
[10:19] <Killuminati> Sorry to bother you all
[10:19] <farous> Killuminati: is it only firefox
[10:19] <holycow_> czer323, well i'm not attacking you, i'm sorry if i sound like that
[10:19] <dli> DShepherd, update-rc.d is a tool to manage init scripts, update-rc.d --help or man update-rc.d
[10:19] <Killuminati> I must have accidentally put on a proxy
[10:19] <farous> did you try other web browsers
[10:19] <Killuminati> I just checked and I was using a proxy
[10:19] <DShepherd> dli: ok
[10:19] <Killuminati> Again, Sorry to bother you =(
[10:19] <holycow_> czer323, i don't want you to think defensively, its just my humble opinion
[10:19] <farous> Killuminati: ok :)
[10:20] <holycow_> czer323, but the fact is simple, you take this channel and take every single question
[10:20] <holycow_> 99% of them are the same
[10:20] <Killuminati> Um
[10:20] <holycow_> czer323, my humble opinion is that you can take this channel and turn it into a basic system admin course for users
[10:20] <Killuminati> Does anybody know if unrealircd is compatible with ubuntu?
[10:20] <holycow_> and teach them how to use a system
[10:20] <holycow_> teach them how to install it, maintain it, and trouble shoot all the basics
[10:20] <holycow_> beyond that they hire people like us right?
[10:21] <JPT> Where can I get the ATI Linux drivers?
[10:21] <holycow_> so does a user need to know how to trouble shoot and use a system? yes, the question is do they haveto be a system administrator, well no
[10:21] <JPT> x.x
[10:21] <dli> DShepherd, I suddenly realized that dbus should be started by default ( if you are using ubuntu-desktop)
[10:21] <dli> !tell JPT about ati
[10:22] <czer323> holycow_, Our opinions really clash though.  I understand the teaching, but that's teaching to be a mechanic.  Troubleshooting is analogous to a mechanic.  A user is just a driver.  They can use a computer for 10 years and still call me and say, I can't get my internet working.  It happens everyday, because a computer is just a tool used for them to do their job.  I definately understand the benefit, but 90% of the computer user po
[10:22] <czer323> pulation is going to disagree with you.
[10:22] <JPT> Thanks
[10:22] <holycow_> czer323, infact i've often thought of starting up a tech support company based around education.  you start them off with a simple intro, and bit by bit work them towards system admin as they are comfortable
[10:22] <holycow_> they can either sign up for classes and fix the problem them selves
[10:22] <holycow_> or they can pay me to do it
[10:22] <holycow_> either way they win
[10:22] <DShepherd> dli: thats what the error message told me
[10:23] <holycow_> czer323, its not teaching to be a mechanic
[10:23] <holycow_> czer323, how can you say that?
[10:23] <DShepherd> dli: know how i can get it back that way?
[10:23] <holycow_> you can't drive a car without proper training
[10:23] <holycow_> czer323, infact i bet you and i agree
[10:23] <holycow_> for example
[10:23] <DShepherd> dli: I am so learning alot about linux.. its kinda fun.. just a little
[10:23] <Flannel> holycow_, czer323, not to put a lid on this coversation, but can you take it to #ubuntu-offtopic please?
[10:23] <neutrinomass> Anybody that can use 'nn' (newsgroup reader) on an empty NNTP server ?
[10:23] <dli> DShepherd, update-rc.d -f dbus defaults
[10:23] <czer323> holycow_, let's take this at least to a private chat, but secondly, i'm sure you and i aren't goint o agree.
[10:24] <holycow_> czer323, would you not say that people should actually get more training behind a wheel?  wouldn't it be better if we had degrees of training including safety and reflexive driving lessons as mandatory part of a licence?
[10:24] <DShepherd> dli: System startup links for /etc/init.d/dbus already exist. <-- is that a good thing?
[10:24] <dli> DShepherd, or reinstall the dbus package simply
[10:24] <alth> Ok, still can't figure out how to remove Automatix-installed Java.
[10:24] <DShepherd> dli: ok
[10:24] <holycow_> czer323, then what talk, you will forever expect users to remain idiots i will forever expect users to live up to their full human potential
[10:24] <dli> DShepherd, it should be, that's what I said, "by default"
[10:24] <Killuminati> Um
[10:24] <Killuminati> What's the equivelant of ./config in ubuntu?
[10:25] <DShepherd> ok
[10:25] <DShepherd> dli: brb
[10:25] <dsas> Killuminati: What are you trying to do?
[10:25] <Killuminati> dsas, Install an application
[10:25] <Madeye> guys is there a command like Touch but create file with a content text?