[00:51] <bjrohan> Hello all. I just upgraded from 14.04 to 15.04. Without my changing any settings, my wireless internet connection is sporadic, and when connected doesn't have the bandwidth that it had in 14.04.
[00:51] <bjrohan> Any suggestions what may be wrong?
[04:50] <marco_> Hi
[05:23] <sladen> I posted a copy of  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2015-June/000612.html  "Councils' Threshing meeting, Friday 19 June 2015 17:00 UTC, #ubuntu-meeting " to kubuntu-devel
[05:23] <sladen> but that hit the reject as I've not a subscriber
[05:23] <sladen> is there somebody who might wish to forward it on?
[05:29] <valorie> sladen: I'll allow it
[05:29]  * valorie runs listadmin
[05:44] <sladen> valorie: ta
[05:47] <valorie> hmm, I don't see it sladen
[05:50] <sladen> valorie: "You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:51] <valorie> sladen: I can add you to the accept list I think
[05:56] <valorie> sladen: but since it was rejected, I'll just forward it for now
[05:56] <valorie> you are on the accept list now, though
[05:57] <sladen> valorie: I can try re-bouncing the original
[06:00] <valorie> that would be best if you don't mind
[06:00] <valorie> for threading purposes
[08:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:07] <cofo> Which pdf reader are you using?
[08:09] <lordievader> Most are using Okular here, I think. The default.
[08:10] <cofo> Is there difference between it and foxit reader?
[08:11] <cofo> I don't think so but what do you think?
[08:11] <lordievader> Yes, it is a different program.
[08:11] <lordievader> Try them out, I'd say.
[08:11] <cofo> I'm on windows
[08:11] <cofo> :<
[08:11] <cofo> i wish the colors on nano the same as in mac
[08:12] <cofo> the text wragler color..
[08:12] <lordievader> The colors of nano depend on your terminal settings.
[08:12] <cofo> i'm on putt
[08:12] <cofo> putty* sorry
[08:12] <lordievader> That is also a terminal emulator of sorts.
[09:59] <vbgunz> does anyone know why audio skips and sounds glitchy in Steam without pavucontrol opened but the moment I open pavucontrol, audio sounds great?
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:06] <ricktimmis> vbgunz: Hi not sure I know the answer to that one as it's through Steam, do you have the same issue with Amarok, or other audio source?
[11:42] <eagles0513875> where do i set environmental variables?
[11:46] <lordievader> eagles0513875: That depends.
[11:46] <lordievader> Do you want them to be global or just for your user?
[11:48] <eagles0513875> in all hoenst at this point it doesnt matter as this is a single user pc
[11:48] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.com/KsLFUBwu
[11:48] <eagles0513875> that is the error im getting lordievader
[11:49] <lordievader> Should 'android' be in your path?
[11:49] <lordievader> Where did you install it to?
[11:49] <eagles0513875> lordievader: it is
[11:49] <eagles0513875> but im a bit confused in posts im seeing
[11:49] <eagles0513875> they say bash_profile
[11:49] <eagles0513875> 14.04 doesnt have that
[11:51] <eagles0513875> lordievader: ^
[11:52] <lordievader> eagles0513875: So 'android' is in your path? Under what user are you launching the build?
[11:54] <eagles0513875> lordievader: sorted it out
[11:55] <vbgunz> ricktimmis: well, it looks like audio from other sources play fine but steam just glitches and skips horribly unless I open pavucontrol
[11:55] <eagles0513875> lordievader: i still have a permissiosn issue but different from before
[11:56] <lordievader> eagles0513875: A permission issue?
[11:56] <eagles0513875> lordievader: ya let me try something else
[11:57] <lordievader> eagles0513875: ?
[12:23] <eagles0513875> i have the android sdk stuff in /usr/local and im trying it in the users home directory lordievader
[12:28] <lordievader> eagles0513875: /usr/local usually isn't in the PATH, indeed.
[12:56] <bjrohan_> Is anyone here?
[12:56] <ricktimmis> bjrohan_: Yes
[12:56] <ricktimmis> vbgunz: Sorry just back from lunch
[12:57] <ricktimmis> vbgunz: Sounds like it might be worth checking the logs for steam.. but I know nothing about steam, so will struggle
[12:58] <ricktimmis> vbgunz: Sounds like audio is working correctly though.. what version of Kubuntu you running ?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> bjrohan_, got a kubuntu question?
[13:01] <vbgunz> ricktimmis: 14.10
[13:09] <mparillo> ricktimmis: ovidiu-florin, ahoneybun: Thanks for the first Kubuntu podcast. Kubuntu Wire is back up: http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=330 and that should automagically feed the KDE and Ubuntu Planets later today.
[13:18] <ricktimmis> mparillo: Would you like the show notes for kubuntu wire ?
[13:26] <mparillo> Sure. Show notes = Transcript?
[13:42] <ricktimmis> mparillo: Not quite a transcript, hold on I get you a link
[13:51] <ricktimmis> mparillo: Dah! sorry I can't get to it from where I am at the moment
[13:56] <witheld> I have a frankenbug and it's so insane I don't think I can report it...
[13:57] <lordievader> witheld: Frankenbug?
[13:58] <witheld> If I play Counter Strike Global offensive with the sink created by loading the pulseaudio module module-virtual-surround-sink, kwin_x11 suddenly starts using 100% CPU when I start the second match before crashing
[13:58] <witheld> No one will ever take this seriously
[13:59] <lordievader> witheld: Is the option to disable effects for fullscreen windows enabled?
[14:00] <witheld> No because ordinarily I use kwin's vsync which is rather better then most game's vsync
[14:01] <lordievader> Enable that and see if the problem goes away.
[14:01] <witheld> But if I stop using module-virtual-surround-sink(I don't even have to unload it, I simply have to not use it)it stops crashing
[14:01] <witheld> It's fucking insane
[14:01] <lordievader> witheld: Please watch your language.
[14:02] <witheld> Anyway gonna try that
[14:04] <witheld> it crahsed even faster
[14:05] <witheld> So...I'll just live without virtual surround in CSGO
[14:05] <lordievader> Hmm, anything in ~/.xsession-errors?
[14:36] <eXistenZe> Hey there
[14:41] <EvilRoey> hello eXistenZe :) for some reason I haven't seen you in a bit.
[14:43] <eXistenZe> Getting used to kubuntu... Don't need help every hour now :)
[14:43] <eXistenZe> been here yesterday or a couple days ago though
[14:50] <eXistenZe> hum... new bug... icon search (when trying to change a desktop link icon) does not open the actual search dialog when clicking "browse".
[15:04] <EvilRoey> eXistenZe:  btw where do we know each other from?
[15:04] <EvilRoey> #python, #israel, #linguistics, etc.
[15:07] <eXistenZe> neither
[15:08] <eXistenZe> you are confusing me with somebody else
[15:08] <eXistenZe> I just arrived here a couple weeks ago
[15:09] <eXistenZe> wouldn't mind knowing some coding although
[15:13] <BluesKaj> we avoid coding here, mostly we help with command line, that's about as deep as it can get when supporting Kubuntu
[15:15] <lordievader> Coding is fun though \o/
[15:18] <eXistenZe> command line can be hard enough
[15:18] <lordievader> eXistenZe: In the beginning ;)
[15:18] <eXistenZe> and linux itself can be a b****
[15:19] <EvilRoey> eXistenZe:  ah.  Maybe your nickname is not unique.
[15:19] <eXistenZe> some great apps keep support for linux, but develop mostly win
[15:21] <eXistenZe> Tried to use desmume (a nds emulator) this morning. Compiled SVN, installed, great. Plays games nicely, but they forgot everything else. Basic UI only, no saving options, not a single frontend option windows version has.
[15:23] <lordievader> eXistenZe: SVN from the repo was too old?
[15:24] <eXistenZe> EvilRoey: there's a movie named eXistenZ. Perhaps someone uses that
[15:25] <EvilRoey> ahhhhh perhaps so, eXistenZe
[15:27] <eXistenZe> lordievader: no... it's quite recent... and actively developed
[15:27] <lordievader> !info svn
[15:27] <lordievader> !info subversion
[15:28] <lordievader> Hmm, I see. Then why compile it yourself?
[15:28] <eXistenZe> oh... I thought you were talking about the app svn
[15:28] <lordievader> eXistenZe: Yes... subversion?
[15:31] <eXistenZe> there is no installer for desmume... you have to compile it youself... so might as well use the latest svn...
[15:32] <eXistenZe> but either way it's not a version problem. It's simply uninplemented features...
[15:33] <eXistenZe> win version is 20 steps ahead
[15:44] <BluesKaj>  I thought git had mostly replaced svn
[15:52] <tahaan> Where should I report errata for the Kubuntu website?
[15:53] <tahaan> OK, there is a link.
[16:00] <tahaan> Before I make a stupid mistake, on this page: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu ... After selecting 15.04, there is a link to with the following Hyper text: "Upgade Kubuntu 14.10 to 15.04 LTS"
[16:00] <tahaan> I believe the LTS is in error
[16:02] <BluesKaj> tahaan, 14.04 is LTS, not 15.04
[16:02] <tahaan> Hence I believe it to be an error.
[16:02] <BluesKaj> there is no erroe on that site
[16:03] <BluesKaj> reread it
[16:03] <tahaan> I can clearly see "15.04 LTS"
[16:03] <tahaan> Under Upgrade
[16:05] <BluesKaj> tahaan, i don't see any "upgrade" option on http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[16:06] <tahaan> Did you select the "Kubuntu 15.04" option, which opens up the download options for that release?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> tahaan, if you cick on the upgrade it clearly shows that 15,04  is not LTS, I grant you the link has a typo , but the upgrade doesn't
[16:10] <BluesKaj> good that you pointed that out
[16:12] <tahaan> I doubted myself for half a second when I saw that today
[16:33] <eXistenZe> when we install an app like wine, it brings a couple dozens of packages dependencies. Do these packages have any impact on kubuntu performance/behaviour?
[16:34] <eXistenZe> can I use a safe reverse uninstall process? purge?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> eXistenZe, yes purge should take care of any uneeded packages as well
[16:37] <lordievader> eXistenZe: Having packages installed should not degrade performance. Running non-used services does.
[16:39] <eXistenZe> I'm guessing installing wine installs some services too
[16:45] <lordievader> Nope.
[16:48] <eXistenZe> service != process ?
[16:52] <lordievader> It is, but not necessarily the other way around.
[17:08] <eXistenZe> can apt-get uninstall any package in kubuntu?
[17:08] <eXistenZe> like the ones manually installed or installed with muon discover?
[17:09] <lordievader> Yes.
[17:09] <eXistenZe> and is there any way to find packages not needed any more?
[17:10] <lordievader> Mostly experience... though apt-get autoremove removes the obvious ones.
[17:24] <eXistenZe> are the sources for apt-get and muon discover the same?
[17:25] <lordievader> Yes.
[17:25] <eXistenZe> so I can use apt-get for everything, right?
[17:25] <lordievader> Muon pretty much calls apt-get for anything it does.
[17:25] <eXistenZe> including the updates...
[17:25] <lordievader> Of course.
[17:25] <lordievader> I rarely use Muon under Kubuntu.
[17:26] <eXistenZe> what's the proper procedure to uninstall these two apps? muon discover and update?
[17:27] <eXistenZe> how do I find their names? do I use purge for both?
[17:27] <lordievader> Do you want to remove their configs?
[17:27] <lordievader> Also: dpkg -l|grep muon
[17:27] <eXistenZe> if it does not mess with apt-get
[17:28] <lordievader> Muon can be removed with its config, no problem.
[17:30] <eXistenZe> -l lists. what does "grep" do?  there's no info on it
[17:31] <lordievader> eXistenZe: Sure there is: man grep
[17:34] <eXistenZe> theres a manual for command lines? nice
[17:35] <eXistenZe> do dpgk is a package manager, -l list packages, grep tells it to search in files name?
[17:36] <eXistenZe> so*
[17:37] <lordievader> Grep looks for whatever you give it to look for in whatever you give it to look in. In this case the output of dpkg -l, for 'muon'.
[17:38] <eXistenZe> so I can purge the 4 results?
[17:38] <lordievader> What are the 4 results?
[17:38] <lordievader> !paste
[17:38] <eXistenZe> common, discover, notifier and updater
[17:41] <eXistenZe> yes?
[17:41] <lordievader> Ah, err. Yes, shouldn't hurt to have those missing.
[17:43] <lordievader> I'm off, talk to you later.
[17:43] <eXistenZe> guess I'll test that theory
[17:44] <eXistenZe> thanks
[18:03] <dhq> hey guys how are you
[18:04] <dhq> i just upgraded to 15.04 my resolution looks ok but all the applications are huge
[18:04] <dhq> any idea what i should do
[18:07] <hangman13us> What you mean 'huge'?
[18:07] <hangman13us> Do you have a creenshot?
[18:16] <dhq> hangman13us: http://picpaste.com/20150618_210925-DTFufA8l.jpg
[18:16] <hangman13us> Hm... odd
[18:16] <hangman13us> You'd better check the visual settings.
[18:17] <dhq> the taskbar, and google chrome application is not huge rest all the default are huge
[18:17] <dhq> i searched every where couldnt find what to change
[18:17] <hangman13us> Try appearance -> Application style
[18:18] <hangman13us> Sometimes themes are not disigned properly - try using other theme for your desktop.
[18:18] <hangman13us> It may work.
[18:18] <hangman13us> That's my only idea now.
[18:23] <dhq> hangman13us: is there a way to reset
[18:23] <dhq> the desktop to default
[18:23] <hangman13us> Yes I think, but can't remember where it was.
[18:23] <hangman13us> Let me check if I can find it.
[18:24] <hangman13us> Try appearance -> workspace theme
[18:24] <hangman13us> It works for me.
[18:27] <thelionroars> is there a ppa available for 15.04 with the latest version of plasma?
[18:27] <dhq> hangman13us:  have only on theme in workspace theme but i cant add anything
[18:37] <soee> thelionroars: backports have latest plasam
[18:37] <soee> *plasma
[18:38] <thelionroars> cheers, just saw it http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.3
[20:03] <steveire> Can anyone using ubuntu qt 5 packages confirm this? https://paste.kde.org/prswbme4y
[20:06] <steveire> Anyone with qmake installed.
[20:12] <dremiam> kik
[20:38] <eXistenZe> hey again
[20:42] <eXistenZe> is kubuntu like 1/20 users of all ubuntu distros?
[20:44] <BluesKaj> comparing  the number nicks between Kubuntu and Ubuntu chats I reckon
[20:45] <babu_> hi
[20:46] <babu_> i am new to linux
[20:46] <ahoneybun> hey babu_welcome
[20:46] <babu_> i need some help
[20:47] <BluesKaj> we all new to linux once , babu_  :-)
[20:47] <ahoneybun> what's up babu_ :)
[20:47] <BluesKaj> were that is
[20:47] <ahoneybun> I was about to correct you BluesKaj lol
[20:48] <babu_> how can i restrict gcc access
[20:48] <babu_> only to root
[20:50] <babu_> hello
[20:51] <ahoneybun> not idea about limiting that
[20:51] <ahoneybun> maybe change the permissions on the bin?
[20:51] <babu_> how
[20:51] <babu_> ?
[20:52] <ahoneybun> it might have a lot of changes
[20:52] <ahoneybun> not sure of the effect it would have system wide
[20:52] <babu_> which version you are using now
[20:53] <ahoneybun> 15.04
[20:53]  * ahoneybun reviews the Kubuntu Documentation in epub format
[20:54] <ahoneybun> there are 17 different bins that have gcc in their name
[20:54] <ahoneybun> not sure which one to change permissons
[21:00] <eXistenZe> hey guys. can anyone recomend me a good linux documentation that explains the basics? Like what is the kernel, the shell, gnome, kde, plasma, debian, rpm, etc, etc
[21:04] <ahoneybun> eXistenZe: this cover somethings: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/index.html
[21:07] <ikonia> eXistenZe: it's a bit offtopic for here, but you'll probably do well to research each item in detail rather than look for one place that talks about it all
[21:08] <eXistenZe> what is the relationship between plasma and kde?
[21:08] <ahoneybun> plasma is the desktop interface that kde uses
[21:08] <ahoneybun> KDE itself is the DE (Desktop Environment)
[21:09] <eXistenZe> so a DE can have multiple interfaces?
[21:09] <ahoneybun> I might be explaining it wrong
[21:10] <ahoneybun> DE: GNOME ; Shell: GNOME Shell
[21:10] <ahoneybun> DE: KDE ; Shell: Plasma
[21:10] <ahoneybun> I believe
[21:11] <eXistenZe> isn't the "shell" the CLI of linux?
[21:13] <ahoneybun> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8675599/whats-the-difference-between-a-graphical-shell-and-a-desktop-environment
[21:13] <ahoneybun> eXistenZe: ^
[21:13] <eXistenZe> thanks
[21:15] <eXistenZe> "The "shell" for Windows is "explorer.exe" but Windows itself is the "desktop environment"."
[21:15] <eXistenZe> not a very good example
[21:15] <eXistenZe> then the shell for kubuntu would be dolphin or konqueror
[21:19] <eXistenZe> it's not easy to search for windows comparisons since windows is everything
[21:35] <eXistenZe> is there a part of all linux distros that is common? like the kernel, bash shell and x.org?
[21:38] <ahoneybun> kernel
[21:39] <ahoneybun> they could have different shell, zsh korn
[21:39] <ahoneybun> and could use Wayland over Xorg
[21:43] <acz32> is it possible to use the Menu keyboard key in shortcuts?
[21:51] <eXistenZe> from the user pov, we can only update files, apps, daemons, (desktop shell perhaps?), right? To update the DE, bash shell and kernel we need a distro update?
[22:12] <eXistenZe> guess it's enough for today
[22:12] <eXistenZe> see ya
[22:12] <eXistenZe> thanks ahoneybun


[17:24] <gimzmoe> since 18.04 I've had a weird power issue with xubuntu and my laptop, I can't quite figure out what's borked, but I noticed when I tested lubuntu it wasn't there.  I'm wondering how I can compare the deltas between the two distros to see what might be up.  Any suggestions
[20:39] <gnrp> gimzmoe: What do you mean with power issue?


[08:10] <slangasek> hi folks, candidate images are trickling in for intrepid alpha 3: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all
[08:15] <stgraber> cool, should they work in kvm this time ?
[08:33] <slangasek> stgraber: I think so; at least part of that was a kvm bug though, and I'm not sure if that's made it as an SRU yet
[08:46] <slangasek> looks like yes, kvm did get the SRU done for this
[08:48]  * stgraber takes Ubuntu alternate i386
[08:49] <slangasek> hmm, xubuntu has some livefs build issues; probably means the alternates are also not installable
[08:49] <stgraber> slangasek: at least now I can boot i386 images in kvm, so that's one problem solved. Next one is X not working
[08:49] <slangasek> which way is it not working? :)
[08:50] <stgraber> with alpha-2, it was just not starting so you get a black screen :(
[08:50] <stgraber> I hope this one is solved as well, will know in ~30 min when my first install is done
[08:51] <slangasek> ah, ok
[08:51] <slangasek> right, I guess you didn't get to X that fast in an alternate ;)
[08:55] <stgraber> hmm, the manual install bug I discovered last time doesn't seem to be fixed
[08:55]  * stgraber looks at LP
[08:56] <stgraber> oh, we don't have a bug for it :( maybe we should
[08:58] <davmor2> slangasek: we got issues with monitors with incorrect EDID's too.  You just get no screen :(  Also there seems to be no way to drop into any kind of safe mode :(
[08:58] <slangasek> davmor2: bug report?
[08:59] <davmor2> doing one shortly if it doesn't exist
[08:59] <slangasek> ok
[09:02] <stgraber> slangasek: looking at my last standalone LTSP tests, I wouldn't expect it to work. (some dpkg-divert problems IIRC)
[09:03] <slangasek> stgraber: "it"?
[09:03] <stgraber> LTSP
[09:03] <slangasek> ok
[09:03] <slangasek> do we have a test case for that, somewhere?
[09:04] <stgraber> yes
[09:04] <stgraber> Ubuntu Alternate => Install (LTSP server)
[09:04] <davmor2> so what cd's are working at the moment?
[09:05] <stgraber> I'm doing a standard Ubuntu alternate install now, this one should work :)
[09:06] <stgraber> and I'm doing LTSP at the same time to confirm that it doesn't
[09:08] <davmor2> slangasek: are the live cd's building yet?
[09:08] <slangasek> already built and posted.
[09:09] <davmor2> cool you mean we might have some working ones this time?
[09:10] <stgraber> I also take Desktop amd64 to see if X works in kvm this time
[09:14] <davmor2> just running the dl-iso script :)
[09:15] <slangasek> davmor2: the ubiquity issues should have been sorted last week; if folks test & report any bugs early in the day today, we should definitely be able to get things working in time
[09:16] <davmor2> slangasek: I'll start testing in about 15 mins
[09:16] <davmor2> is that early enough?
[09:18] <stgraber> I'll have desktop in < 2 min, cdimage is fast today
[09:21] <davmor2> slangasek: bug 251059 if you get bryce to have a quick look and let me know any info he needs for it I'll get it to him tomorrow now probably.  But I think you're in a similar time zone as he is
[09:21] <slangasek> correct, if he knows what's good for him he's already asleep at this point ;)
[09:24] <stgraber> Booting Ubuntu desktop amd64 now
[09:24]  * davmor2 starts testing :)
[09:26] <stgraber> argh, no X in KVM :(
[09:29] <davmor2> hw test on it's way
[09:29] <stgraber> cool because I no longer have testing hw :)
[09:30] <davmor2> I got a new monitor to combat the issues I was having but I can drop the old one in for bug reporting :)
[09:30] <stgraber> well, I could probably install Hardy in a VM, then install vmware in it and do testing with vmware ? :)
[09:30] <davmor2> stgraber: can you not try 32 bit in vbox
[09:31] <stgraber> hmm, yes. I'll try to install VB on Intrepid, not sure how it'll work with the new kernel.
[09:31]  * davmor2 currently looking at a flashing cursor and now the text start scrolling
[09:32] <davmor2> slangasek: No splash any more is that known?
[09:32] <stgraber> hmm, it tries to install a 2.6.26-3 module when I'm using -4 and it doesn't seem to be using dkms :(
[09:32] <slangasek> splash as in usplash?
[09:32] <stgraber> I'll try the nonfree one
[09:32] <stgraber> slangasek: yep, no usplash for me in KVM either
[09:32] <slangasek> not something I was aware of, no
[09:33] <davmor2> slangasek: Okay I'll bug it in a second then
[09:33] <davmor2> you don't get the nice progress bar
[09:34] <davmor2> Yay live desktop :)
[09:34]  * davmor2 goes for the install
[09:35] <davmor2> map is better
[09:36] <davmor2> long gap for partitioner to come up :)
[09:39] <davmor2> ubiquity running
[09:49] <stgraber> hmm, booting an installed system is even worse :) You don't get usplash but you don't get any other boot message either
[09:49] <stgraber> so as I had LVM crypto setup I wasn't able to enter the passkey until I removed splash from the kernel boot parameters
[09:50] <davmor2> No sound
[09:51] <stgraber> bug 249037
[09:52] <stgraber> looks like our current bug
[09:52] <liw> I keep unsubscribing from all test cases in the tracker and later finding that I'm subscribed to some again, when the tracker mails me about new builds -- what's going on?
[09:52] <liw> also, having a captcha for logging in is a) unnecessary and b) annoying, could that be removed?
[09:53] <stgraber> liw: you are still subscribe to two upgrade tests
[09:53] <liw> not according to the web interface
[09:53] <liw> I just unsubscribed from a bunch, it now shows me an empty list
[09:54] <stgraber> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/subscriptions
[09:54] <liw> that gives me 404, the s at the end is superfluous
[09:54] <liw> ah, no, I'm looking at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/user/subscription
[09:55] <liw> why does that page not show my subscriptions?
[09:55] <stgraber> because we aren't testing Xubuntu upgrade at the moment
[09:56] <stgraber> davmor2: no sound and no mouse here (in kvm)
[09:56] <liw> I should still be able to see all my subscriptions to be able to unsubscribe, shouldn't I?
[09:56] <stgraber> hmm, no sound is just pulse's fault, so sound is working but no mouse
[09:57] <stgraber> liw: yes, that's in the roadmap for qatracker-ng ...
[09:57] <liw> ook, then I'll unsubscribe from those when they are tested
[10:03] <davmor2> schwuk: How's your first day of testing Dude?
[10:08] <davmor2> slangasek: installer isn't completing cuts off at 86%
[10:09] <davmor2> is the a debug option?
[10:11] <davmor2> stgraber: No go with Ubiquity is there a debug option?
[10:12] <stgraber> sudo ubiquity --debug ?? I'm not sure but I remember something like this
[10:13] <davmor2> cool
[10:22] <stgraber> Language: 10 languagechooser/language-name doesn't exist
[10:22] <stgraber> I have that on the "Ready to install" screeen of ubiquity
[10:22] <stgraber> not sure it'll cause anything to fail, but shouldn't be there anyway
[10:30] <stgraber> hmm, ubiquity just exitted instead of asking for reboot ??
[10:30] <stgraber> let's see if the installed system works
[10:31] <davmor2> stgraber: it doesn't
[10:31] <stgraber> right, no grub installed
[10:31] <davmor2> tried it it exits before grub is installed
[10:31] <stgraber> slangasek: ^^ RC bug
[10:32] <davmor2> stgraber: it doesn't do the hw detection either
[10:33] <stgraber> I started it from the console and didn't see a crash, it just closed ...
[10:33] <stgraber> did you try running it with --debug ?
[10:33] <davmor2> running now
[10:33] <davmor2> 82%
[10:34] <davmor2> 87% and vanish
[10:34] <stgraber> ok, I marked Ubuntu desktop i386 -> erase disk as failed
[10:34] <davmor2> where will the log be?
[10:34] <stgraber> and no error or debug message in the console ?
[10:34] <davmor2> no
[10:34] <stgraber> I'd expect it to be in the console or somewhere in /var/log/
[10:35] <davmor2> transfers talk to #ubuntu-installer
[10:55] <stgraber> slangasek: bug 251089
[10:57] <davmor2> stgraber: was this on 32bit?
[10:57] <stgraber> yep
[10:57] <stgraber> I can't have X to work on amd64 with kvm
[10:57] <davmor2> okay I'll try 64 bit too
[10:59] <davmor2> stgraber: I'll try a 32 bit kub after too to check for gtk/qt issues
[11:01] <davmor2> stgraber: actually can you try 32bit Kub in vm and see if the same thing happen while I try 64bit Ubuntu on hw
[11:01] <stgraber> sure
[11:01] <davmor2> cool ta
[11:15] <stgraber> davmor2: kubuntu fails at the first step of the installer :)
[11:15] <stgraber> can't generate the list of available languages
[11:15] <davmor2> D'oh
[11:15] <stgraber> I also have a traceback for it, so I'll just file another bug report :)
[11:19] <stgraber> bug 251097
[11:21] <davmor2> 78%
[11:22] <davmor2> stgraber: same on 64bit :(
[11:23] <stgraber> ok
[11:23] <stgraber> can you try kubuntu amd64 just to be sure ? as it's not the same bug
[11:23] <davmor2> stgraber: can you try an Xubuntu I'm guessing the same thing will happen
[11:24] <davmor2> stgraber: no probs
[11:25] <stgraber> xubuntu is not on the tracker yet
[11:26] <davmor2> cody isn't online yet so I can't kick him either ;)
[11:26] <davmor2> whose incharge of the releases while slangasek sleeps
[11:28] <davmor2> is it like seb128 or cjwatson?
[11:28] <davmor2> I think they need to know about the Ubuquity issue sooner rather than latter
[11:29] <davmor2> ubiquity even
[11:29] <stgraber> just poke #ubuntu-release they should be in there :)
[11:32] <davmor2> cool :)
[11:33]  * davmor2 burns amd 64 version of Kubuntu
[11:58] <davmor2> stgraber: just confirmed 251097
[12:01] <davmor2> stgraber: have you tried any of the alternative cd's yet?
[12:01] <stgraber> I tried ubuntu alternate amd64
[12:01] <stgraber> LTSP and manual failed but erase disk LVM crypto worked
[12:01] <stgraber> i386 that was
[12:08] <davmor2> cool so there are some cd's we can test then :)
[12:11] <davmor2> stgraber: do you still have access to the Kubuntu vm?  If so can you fire it up and try the printing dialogue?
[12:13] <stgraber> booting it
[12:15] <stgraber> ok, opened kate then the printing dialog
[12:17] <davmor2> stgraber: no sorry just try opening up printing in apps system
[12:20] <davmor2> does it work for you?
[12:21] <cjwatson> davmor2: I saw the highlight, but I'm off sick today with a fever, so I'm probably not the best person to look at this - grab evand when he wakes up, he's UTC-4
[12:22] <stgraber> davmor2: appears in the task bar but nothing opening
[12:24] <davmor2> cjwatson: thanks
[12:25] <davmor2> cjwatson: Hope you get better soon :)
[12:25] <davmor2> stgraber: I'm writing a bug for it I'll give you the bug details after
[12:26] <cjwatson> davmor2: I've committed a fix for bug 251089, which was easy, but 251097 would require some actual thought
[12:29] <davmor2> stgraber: bug 251111
[12:34] <stgraber> confirmed and traceback attached
[12:34] <stgraber> set priority to high, looks like missing dependency
[12:39] <davmor2> So stgraber looks like only testing the alternatives again then?
[12:41] <stgraber> yes
[12:42] <davmor2> I'll get started on them after lunch then :)
[12:43] <stgraber> I'll continue Ubuntu Alternate i386 and start Ubuntu server (both i386 and amd64)
[12:43] <stgraber> I'll suggest you take Ubuntu Alternate amd64 and then Kubuntu
[12:45] <davmor2> I'll start on the Kubuntu's and meet you in the middle.  The edubuntu add on cd is it specific to Ubuntu or should it work on Kubuntu too?
[12:46] <stgraber> it should work with Kubuntu too but may need internet access, when used with Ubuntu everything should be on the CD
[12:46] <stgraber> in fact most of our edu softwares are kdeedu :)
[12:47] <davmor2> I know and on the netboot cds one of the options was edubuntu kde
[14:27] <cr3> hi folks
[14:29] <davmor2> hello
[14:29] <stgraber> hi cr3
[14:29] <stgraber> davmor2: Alternate i386 is done (only remaining is rescue, I'll do it later), I'm now doing Ubuntu Server amd64
[14:30] <stgraber> davmor2: I expect at least one fail as installing all tasks at once fail, I've not found the gulty one yet though
[14:30] <stgraber> davmor2: you doing kubuntu ?
[14:31] <davmor2> stgraber: Yes I just burnt both i386 and amd64 and am starting with whole disc's on both then I'll swap machines for auto resize
[14:35] <stgraber> I suspect a conflict between the LAMP and Mail server task. Installing both individually seems to work but LAMP seems to depend on exim and Mail server installs postfix, so create a conflict there.
[14:39] <davmor2> stgraber: lamp hasn't been updated then.  As far as I recall from talking to colleagues debian use exim by default whereas Ubuntu use postfix.  But I could be wrong
[14:53] <stgraber> Jul 23 13:52:26 in-target: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:54] <stgraber> Jul 23 13:52:26 in-target:   exim4-config: Conflicts: postfix but 2.5.2-1 is to be installed
[14:54] <stgraber> Jul 23 13:52:26 in-target:   exim4-daemon-light: Conflicts: mail-transport-agent
[14:54] <stgraber> Jul 23 13:52:26 in-target:   postfix: Conflicts: mail-transport-agent
[14:57] <davmor2> :) thank god these are alphas :)
[15:52] <davmor2> stgraber: Kubuntu is having issues post install but the installer is okay :)
[15:52] <davmor2> on both
[15:56] <davmor2> BRB just need to nip out for a minute
[16:11] <davmor2> Back :)
[16:22] <cody-somerville> Where are the Xubuntu images on the iso tracker?
[16:43] <sbeattie> ow, you guys are hitting the rsync server hard, I'm getting under 20kB/s from it.
[16:44] <slangasek> would it help if I start marking a bunch of images as failed? :P
[16:44] <sbeattie> Heh, probably.
[16:51] <stgraber> slangasek: I guess you can mark all desktop images as needing rebuild :)
[16:51] <slangasek> did already
[16:57] <stgraber> slangasek: did you see bug 249037 ?
[16:57] <stgraber> it doesn't exactly match what I see but davmor2, mdz and me had no usplash after installing intrepid
[16:58] <slangasek> stgraber: saw it on -devel just now yes, thans
[16:58] <slangasek> thanks
[16:58] <stgraber> that's a serious problem when using the encrypted file system as you don't get prompted for the password
[16:58] <stgraber> and then you can't boot your computer except if you remove "splash" from the boot parameters
[16:58] <slangasek> right
[16:58] <slangasek> is there reason to think it's a usplash bug, vs. a kernel bug?
[16:59] <stgraber> might be kernel too, my installs were done in kvm and davmor2 did it on real HW
[16:59] <slangasek> stgraber: did you configure vesafb by hand at all?
[17:00] <stgraber> no, I'll try with vga=791 and see if that workarounds the problem
[17:00] <stgraber> doesn't
[17:00] <stgraber> I get a 1024x768 black screen
[17:01] <stgraber> so vga=791 works fine but nothing is displayed :(
[17:01] <soren> Do any of you happen to have a cirrus graphics card?
[17:01] <davmor2> no
[17:01] <stgraber> slangasek: that's a kernel bug !!!
[17:02] <stgraber> slangasek: booting with vga=791 and no "splash" does exactly the same as with "splash"
[17:02] <stgraber> so looks like a framebuffer bug or something like that
[17:03] <slangasek> ok
[17:03] <slangasek> could you repeat this on #ubuntu-devel for BenC?
[18:57] <slangasek> fwiw, alternates are going to be respun as well, for fixes to lrm and usplash
[18:58] <slangasek> edubuntu won't be touched, someone can go ahead and test that one ;)
[21:07] <davmor2> slangasek: when will the new iso's be up then?
[21:08] <slangasek> davmor2: I'm about to start another run of image builds; it generally takes about 2h from the time a bug fix is uploaded to the time CDs including the fix can be available
[21:09] <davmor2> Cool thanks for the heads up.  Looks like I'll be testing them tomorrow :)
[21:11] <slangasek> well, that's 2h counting from about 2h ago
[21:12] <slangasek> the first of the updated CDs will be available in 15min
[21:14] <davmor2> slangasek: that's better I can get some tests done tonight then :)
[21:18] <slangasek> updated ubuntu alternates are up (modulo mirror propagation)
[21:18] <slangasek> ... but the amd64 one is oversized, gar
[21:21] <davmor2> typical :(
[21:22] <slangasek> by 1 MB, gar gar
[21:22] <slangasek> < 1MB
[21:23] <slangasek> all accounted for by l-r-m
[21:23]  * slangasek looks for fat to trim, then
[21:26] <davmor2> l-r-m?
[21:27] <slangasek> linux-restricted-modulse
[21:27] <davmor2> Ah
[21:42] <stgraber> hmm, so the only thing that can be tested is Ubuntu alternate ? :)
[21:46] <davmor2> 32 bit
[21:50] <slangasek> stgraber: sorry, been working on fixing the alternate oversize issue so neglected to post the others
[21:53] <slangasek> ok, posted now; server and ubuntu desktop still rebuilding
[22:01] <slangasek> server and desktop built & posted
[22:03] <slangasek> ubuntu alternate squeaked down to size; posting now
[22:05] <slangasek> posted.  that's all the images that are in the queue at the moment.
[22:21] <slangasek> everyone fall asleep on me? :)
[22:22] <stgraber> no, I'm doing alternate i386
[22:23] <slangasek> ok
[22:23] <davmor2> I'm still waiting for the iso's to dl
[22:29] <mathiaz> slangasek: scheduling -server tests
[22:29] <slangasek> hurray
[22:32] <davmor2> slangasek: what about xubuntu, is that up yet?
[22:41] <davmor2> So let me get this straight everything can be tested again now is that right?
[22:41] <stgraber> mathiaz: I don't know if you saw what I said some hours ago in -server, installing tasks LAMP + Mail server fail because of a conflict between exim and postfix. That's not part of any testcase as we are supposed to test them individually but in case you want to do quicker testing, avoid selecting those two at the same time :)
[22:41] <stgraber> davmor2: that's the idea yes :)
[22:42] <davmor2> Right I'll get started then what you covering at the moment I seem to of got a t'internet speed boost
[22:43] <stgraber> I have ubuntu alternate i386 installing here (slowly ...), then I'll do edubuntu i386
[22:43] <davmor2> Right I'll hit the 64 bit then
[22:43] <slangasek> davmor2: xubuntu has livefs build failures that cody is going to look into this evening
[22:44] <davmor2> slangasek: Cool
[22:46] <cr3> stgraber: what bug did you report about persisting sessions across reboots?
[22:48] <cr3> stgraber: see revision 2 for the code, that was hairier than I expected
[22:49] <mathiaz> stgraber: hmmm. I didn't notice that - did you report a bug ? It's probably related to the install Recommends by default
[22:51] <cr3> schwuk: dude, we now have session persistence! this is particularly relevant to us because you won't need to login anymore after restarting the daemon
[22:52] <cr3> stgraber: ^^^
[22:55] <davmor2> slangasek: I thought you said usplash was fixed ?
[22:55] <slangasek> davmor2: er, I can't exactly guarantee that a package is bug free in every environment
[22:55] <slangasek> davmor2: the bug that was breaking usplash on all systems is fixed
[22:55] <davmor2> Live 64 bit still no usplash#
[22:57] <slangasek> ok; livefs has the old version of usplash-theme-ubuntu, investigating now
[22:57] <slangasek> ogasawara: can http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/weatherreport.html be switched to point at intrepid again? :)
[22:58] <stgraber> cr3: I don't think I filed one ... do you want one so you can close it ? :)
[22:58] <ogasawara> slangasek: sure
[22:58] <stgraber> mathiaz: it's in my list of bugs to report (I tend do to that by batch) and I wasn't able to find the source of the problem when I tried simulating it locally
[22:59] <stgraber> mathiaz: http://www.stgraber.org/download/server-task-conflict
[23:03] <mathiaz> stgraber: great - thanks
[23:03] <cr3> stgraber: nah, all good :)
[23:04] <davmor2> stgraber: what was the usplash bug number?
[23:09] <slangasek> davmor2: ok, marking the desktop CDs as disabled for rebuild (again, sigh)
[23:09] <davmor2> :(
[23:09] <slangasek> davmor2: I have to wait for another publishing run before I can get a good build
[23:09] <davmor2> it is an issue then
[23:10] <stgraber> davmor2: that was bug 251227
[23:11] <slangasek> davmor2: yes, as I said, "livefs has the old version of usplash-theme-ubuntu"
[23:11] <davmor2> okay cool so alt's only tonight then?
[23:12] <slangasek> davmor2: unless you want to wait another hour or more, yes ;)
[23:13] <slangasek> davmor2: the current desktop images are a good base for rsyncing the next one, the changes should be minimal
[23:13] <davmor2> I'm already tired so I think I'll try for another alternative test and call it a night thanks.
[23:14] <davmor2> slangasek: I use the the dl-iso rsync script anway :)
[23:14] <davmor2> s/anway/anyway :0
[23:16] <davmor2> stgraber: how was your i386 test going?
[23:17] <stgraber> installed fine, seems to boot fine too
[23:17]  * davmor2 burns 64bit alt
[23:19] <slangasek> stgraber: sweet :)
[23:19] <slangasek> we're already ahead of the curve then ;P
[23:20] <davmor2> slangasek: is this the curve to hell ;)
[23:20] <slangasek> nah
[23:21] <stgraber> session opened fine, so that's two less tests
[23:22] <davmor2> 64 bit live session works
[23:22] <davmor2> only usplash that doesn't
[23:22] <slangasek> cool
[23:23] <slangasek> it's not worth testing ubiquity though, because the livefs build failure means the ubiquity fixes aren't in yet either
[23:23] <davmor2> although I hadn't started ubiquity at the time so don't know if that is fixed :(
[23:24] <slangasek> it's not
[23:25] <davmor2> stgraber: are you going to bed now?
[23:27] <mathiaz> soren: is virtio net supported in intrepid ?
[23:27] <stgraber> davmor2: I'm doing some Canonical-related things so I can work tomorrow :) but indeed going to bed seems like a good idea
[23:27] <mathiaz> soren: I've tried to boot one of the server isos in a kvm and it fails staying that it didn't detect any network interface
[23:28] <davmor2> :)
[23:28] <mathiaz> soren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/29764/ <- dumpxml of the guest
[23:29] <soren> mathiaz: Is virtio-net loaded?
[23:29] <mathiaz> soren: nope
[23:29] <soren> mathiaz: Could you put lspci output somewhere?
[23:29] <soren> mathiaz: Hm.. I guess you can't :)
[23:29] <soren> Is virtio-net available in the guest at least?
[23:30] <mathiaz> soren: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mathiaz/lspci.png
[23:30] <soren> That's odd. Can you load virtio-net?
[23:31] <mathiaz> soren: yes
[23:31] <soren> And that helps?
[23:31] <ogasawara> slangasek: weatherreport should be pointing to intrepid now
[23:31] <slangasek> ogasawara: awesome, thanks :)
[23:33] <mathiaz> soren: hm - not really
[23:33] <mathiaz> soren: I've stepped back in the installer and went back to network detection
[23:33] <mathiaz> soren: it still fails, even if virtio-net is loaded
[23:34] <mathiaz> soren: however I'm not sure if the installer would correctly work if it could re-detect the network card
[23:35] <soren> mathiaz: Is it showing up in ifconfig -a?
[23:36] <mathiaz> soren: hm - ifconfig is not found
[23:36] <soren> It works fine with the server kernel in intrepid.
[23:36] <soren> ip?
[23:36] <soren> ip link, specifically.
[23:37] <mathiaz> soren: only the loopback interface is listed
[23:37] <soren> Interesting.
[23:37] <soren> Well, I'll have to look tomorrow. I'm not really here right now :)
[23:38] <slangasek> ogasawara: if there could be a way to associate certain ISOs with certain dists... gobuntu and kubuntu-kde4 don't apply at all for intrepid
[23:38] <slangasek> ogasawara: actually, they shouldn't apply for hardy.2 either, so maybe it's fine to just take them out now
[23:38] <mathiaz> soren: all right - should I file a bug ?
[23:38] <ogasawara> slangasek: ok
[23:39] <soren> mathiaz: please do.
[23:42] <davmor2> slangasek: that's a point should there be a new completely free test case?
[23:43] <slangasek> davmor2: sorry, what do you mean?
[23:43] <slangasek> davmor2: gobuntu has never been handled on the ISO tracker (this generation of it); I think there /is/ a a test case published for only-free-software, isn't there?
[23:43] <davmor2> Gobuntu is gone but isn't there an option to only use free software now in ubuntu?
[23:44] <slangasek> there is
[23:44] <slangasek> I think it would be good to have that as a test case, yes
[23:44] <slangasek> and I don't see one currently on the tracker, so someone would need to add it
[23:45] <davmor2> heno/stgraber or someone else then :)
[23:47]  * sbeattie looks to seee if he's capable of adding it.
[23:48] <slangasek> sbeattie: are you volunteering to also write the test case description first? :)
[23:48] <davmor2> iso tracker just exploded ;)
[23:49] <slangasek> hrm?
[23:49] <stgraber> just slow here
[23:49] <davmor2> slangasek: it'll follow the existing test cases for the most part.
[23:50] <davmor2> So I could probably throw one together tomorrow
[23:50] <davmor2> slangasek: Alt 64 has splash :)
[23:51] <slangasek> yes
[23:51] <slangasek> thanks for confirming that it works for you as well :)
[23:52] <sbeattie> mmm, looks like adding a "free software only" install tracker is a job for stgraber
[23:53] <davmor2> sbeattie: Phew save from a tracker explosion :)
[23:53] <sbeattie> davmor2: I'm sure I can find some other way to royally mess things up.
[23:54] <davmor2> sbeattie: and of course if not it's your fault anyway right :)
[23:55] <davmor2> slangasek: still no sound issues with pulse I'm guessing
[23:57] <slangasek> davmor2: can you try sudo rmmod snd_pcsp, then restart your session and see if that fixes it?
[23:57] <davmor2> 2 ticks
[23:59] <davmor2> need to do it in safe mode it's being used
[23:59] <slangasek> well, killall pulseaudio && sudo rmmod snd_pcsp
[23:59] <slangasek> should be enough