[01:01] <eross> i installed ubuntu 64bit server on a VM and I can't access the internet although it should work. i think i bjorked my network settings, how do i reset them to 'default' ?
[02:23] <aot2002> I'm trying to activate curl with php but it just won't acknowledge the extension is installed.
[02:24] <twb`> Maybe ask #php
[02:27] <aot2002> it's currently invite only
[02:29] <twb`> That probably means you need to register your nick with freenode
[02:37] <aot2002> twb`, no it means that you cannot join because the channel is locked
[02:37] <aot2002> hence invite only
[02:39] <twb`> Plonk.
[02:39] <twb`> (Oh, it's ##php, you might be hitting the funky redirect misfeature.)
[02:40] <twb`> (Namely if you're already in the channel you're redirected to, you get an error.)
[02:40] <twb`> (Certainly, ##php is not invite only for registered users.)
[03:00] <patdk-lap> #php ##php :Forwarding to another channel
[03:00] <patdk-lap> heh, stupid
[03:00] <patdk-lap> and I'm registered
[03:00] <twb`> patdk-lap: yes, but he wasn't
[03:01] <patdk-lap> this channel redirection stuff on freenode really pisses me off though
[03:01] <twb`> I don't really see what the alternative is, though
[03:02] <twb`> Register #php and set /topic to "join ##php" ?
[03:02] <patdk-lap> if I wanted to join #php, I want to join #php not ##php
[03:02] <patdk-lap> if I can't join #php, ok, tell me, don't force me into ##php
[03:02] <twb`> I guess
[03:03] <twb`> FYI, it's ##foo not #foo because the latter is reserved for official channels
[03:03] <patdk-lap> same goes for #ubuntu+1 :)
[03:03] <patdk-lap> if I wanted #ubuntu, I would join #ubuntu :)
[03:04] <twb`> What, #ubuntu+1 redirects now?
[03:04] <twb`> That's lame
[03:04] <patdk-lap> it will, oct 31st
[03:04] <twb`> Why?
[03:04] <twb`> +1 will still be +1 after a release
[03:05] <patdk-lap> cause 12.04 won't exist in the build yet
[03:05] <patdk-lap> once the package system is done, it's unredirected
[03:05] <patdk-lap> happens every release cycle
[03:05] <patdk-lap> #ubuntu+1 closes for about a month
[03:05] <twb`> I guess given that ubuntu is mostly used by noobs, I can understand doing that to flush them out
[03:06] <patdk-lap> but, I hardly talk in ubuntu+1 anymore, moved more to ubuntu-testing now
[03:06] <patdk-lap> oh ya, I was suppost to file bugs tonight
[03:06] <patdk-lap> but stupid hp firmware died on me, and had emergancy downtime :(
[03:06] <twb`> Ubuntu doesn't have a testing alias :P
[03:07] <patdk-lap> #ubuntu-testing: Currently testing Oneiric Beta 1 candidates | http://qa.ubuntu.com/testing/iso-testing/ | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[03:07] <twb`> I know I dropped #debian for #debian-next to reduce noise.
[03:07] <twb`> Obviously the right name should be #foo′ :p
[03:36] <[1]VampsDaBeast> hey guys. i have a question bout setting up a server to share external hard drives thru my network, how difficult is that to do
[03:42] <idlemind> [1]VampsDaBeast it depends. do you want to manage file sharing permissions to lock areas down do you want to mix in authentication? what os's are you working with?
[03:45] <[1]VampsDaBeast> idlemind, sorry bout that. net went out on me
[03:49] <idlemind> vampsdabeast np so you are running linux and windows boxes?
[03:52] <VampsDaBeast> idlemind, yes.. my network is a mix of both win and ubuntu.... i want to set up a box to share 3 external HD's
[03:52] <idlemind> i'd roll with samba
[03:53] <VampsDaBeast> can 10.04 setup with a LAMP/ISPConfig be able to handle that
[03:54] <idlemind> not sure what ISPConfig is but yes you can throw SAMBA on a server that has a LAMP stack installed
[03:54] <VampsDaBeast> ISPconfig = web hosting system
[03:54] <idlemind> if that LAMP box is connected to the Internet you may be opening up your data to any attack that gets into your server
[08:04] <jamespage> morning all
[08:12] <jamespage> Daviey: would you like me to pickup that extra euca security fix into the MP I have already raised for the SSLv3 compatibility?
[08:14] <Daviey> jamespage: that sounds like a great idea.
[08:16] <Daviey> jamespage: wow, this debdiff for asterisk is huge.
[08:16] <jamespage> yeah - makes be kinda nervous TBH
[08:17] <nigelb> woah.
[08:17] <nigelb> mysql installation just threw gibberish at my terminal
[08:17] <nigelb> Anyone ever seen something like that before?
[08:17] <koolhead11> hi all
[08:18] <koolhead11> nigelb: gibberish ? pastebin/screenshot
[08:18] <Daviey> nigelb: no, can you pastebin?
[08:18] <Daviey> hey koolhead11
[08:18] <koolhead11> hey Daviey :)
[08:18] <Daviey> nigelb: did you get your cron issue sorted btw?
[08:20] <Daviey> jamespage: $ wc -l *.debdiff
[08:20] <Daviey> 92404 asterisk_<IP_ADDRESS>~dfsg-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[08:20] <nigelb> Daviey: yep
[08:20] <Daviey> 10MB!
[08:20] <jamespage> yikes
[08:20] <jamespage> even though it is just bug fixes it feels like that really needs a FFE for sanity
[08:21] <twb> Grumble, should be using .debian.tar.gz by now
[08:21] <Daviey> Well that is how i'm treating it.
[08:21] <nigelb> koolhead11 / Daviey - http://people.ubuntu.com/~nigelbabu/mysql-wtf.png
[08:21] <Daviey> twb: uh?
[08:21] <nigelb> the dbconf prompt for root password had something similar too.
[08:22] <Daviey> nigelb: do you hav a funky locale set?
[08:22] <twb> Daviey: re .debdiff.  Except I guess that's a diff between debian and ubuntu or something, not upstream and ubuntu
[08:22] <twb> nigelb: something has asked to move from G0 to G1 mode
[08:22] <Daviey> twb: diff between ubuntu old and ubuntu new, bringing in debian changes.
[08:23] <twb> nigelb: you need to run "reset" (type it blind) to get back to normal
[08:23] <twb> Daviey: ok nm then
[08:23] <nigelb> Daviey: Nope, its en_US; twb - thanks!
[08:23] <nigelb> Oh hell.
[08:23] <twb> As to *why*; I don't know
[08:23] <nigelb> I managed to lock dpkg
[08:23] <twb> Usually it's when you cat a binary file
[08:24] <twb> I suppose it might be possible to do it by mashing your head on the keyboard, too
[08:24] <Daviey> nigelb is well known for head smashing the keyboard.
[08:24] <nigelb> :D
[08:25] <Daviey> nigelb: what was the instance ami id?
[08:25] <nigelb> I maintain summit! Its understood! :P
[08:27] <Daviey> nigelb: /etc/cloud/build.info
[08:27] <twb> Perl programmer hey
[08:28] <koolhead11> zul: hey
[08:28] <nigelb> Daviey:
[08:28] <nigelb> build_name: server
[08:28] <nigelb> serial: 20110719
[08:29] <twb> What happens if you do >1 build in a day?
[08:30] <Daviey> twb: .X
[08:30] <Daviey> For Kubuntu Oneiric it reached .8 yesterday. :)
[08:30] <Daviey> hah, .9, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/
[08:30] <twb> Fair enough
[08:31] <twb> I was gonna suggest following the DNS convention
[08:31] <Daviey> twb: zone files?
[08:31] <twb> yes
[08:31] <twb> YYYYMMDDNN
[08:32] <nigelb> YAY! All restored :-0
[08:32] <Daviey> twb: Yeah, i'm not a fan of having .'s in names.. but meh, it works.
[08:32] <Daviey> nigelb: Would be interesting to find out what caused it
[08:33] <twb> The .N scheme means you have to stop at 9 or break LC_COLLATE=C
[08:33] <nigelb> Daviey: I'm been pro yaking shaving this week :-)
[08:33] <Daviey> I've never seen that before following an apt install of a package
[08:33] <nigelb> Neither have I.
[08:33] <nigelb> I'm guessing I've screwed up mysql totally.
[08:34] <nigelb> I've been setting it up since 9 in the morning. Its 2 pm now.
[08:34] <twb> Is it a mysql package you just built?
[08:34] <Daviey> twb: TBH, if we roll >9 images in a day, we are doing it wrong™
[08:34] <twb> Daviey: optimist
[08:34] <nigelb> twb: I don't build packages for production :)
[08:34] <twb> nigelb: so how did YOU screw it up?
[08:34] <nigelb> twb: Actually, I think he means given the time it takes, there may not be enough time :)
[08:34] <nigelb> twb: chaging datadir
[08:34] <nigelb> its always a mess.
[08:34] <nigelb> Thank you apparmor.
[08:35] <Daviey> twb: The reason there were 9 yesterday for Kubuntu, was due to archive inconsistencies on the build archive.  Ie, a bug.
[08:35] <Daviey> so it was restarted multiple times.
[08:48] <Daviey> jamespage: Just gone through the changelog, and it does seem to all be bug fixes, High/Medium and making stuff DTRT.
[08:48] <jamespage> Daviey: yes - that was my take as well
[08:48] <jamespage> but there are **alot** of them
[08:57] <Daviey> jamespage: i'm going to try the package myself for a bit.. to see if it WFM.
[08:57] <Daviey> https://launchpad.net/~davewalker/+archive/junk/+sourcepub/1949848/+listing-archive-extra
[09:04] <nigelb> oh, WIN.
[09:04] <nigelb> mysql doesn't start up anymore \m/
[09:06] <nigelb> Anyone knows which package has my.cnf?
[09:07] <RoyK> mysql-server
[09:07] <nigelb> thanks!
[09:08]  * popey hands nigelb a "dpkg -S /etc/mysql/my.cnf"
[09:08] <nigelb> popey: I don't have the file :D
[09:09] <nigelb> popey: Right. I could just run it on the laptop. Thanks!
[09:09] <twb> Even if you deleted it, if it's a connfile it'll still be listed by dpkg -S / dlocate
[09:09] <popey> indeed
[09:09] <popey> also
[09:09] <nigelb> AHH!
[09:09] <twb> However if it's e.g. ucf'd, then you'd need to read /var/lib/dpg/info/...
[09:09]  * popey hands nigelb http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=my.cnf&mode=exactfilename&suite=natty&arch=any
[09:09] <nigelb> <-- sucks as a sysadmin.
[09:09] <twb> nigelb: you are not alone
[09:10] <twb> Much of my job is cleaning up after that kind of sysadmin.
[09:11]  * koolhead11 thinks going to be tough day figuring out keystone
[09:40] <jamespage> Daviey: MP for euca updated with the clock difference patch
[09:40] <jamespage> just testing it now
[09:47] <Daviey> jamespage: rocking
[09:49] <jamespage> i love cobbler - makes tearing down and rebuilding systems for testing so much quicker
[09:51] <koolhead11> jamespage: totally agree,  although am yet to find way to provide custom partitioning
[09:51] <koolhead11> :(
[09:52] <hkraal> Hi, I'm having a problem with a fresh installed Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS server with MySQL 5.1.41-3ubuntu12.10. I've imported 1500 databases, 10 GB, (including the mysql DB) and copied the /etc/mysql/debian.cnf from the old (Ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS, MySQL 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.7)  to the new server. All went fine and everything is up and running. The only problem I've is debian-start is running 16 times pushing the load to 17 and keeps doing this continuesly. Is anyone
[09:52] <hkraal> fammiliar with this kind of behaviour?
[09:53] <koolhead11> zul: there is no keystone configuration file with pkg keystone?
[09:55] <hkraal> some log and ps aux information can be found here: http://pastie.org/private/ivf3wb7jzuorq3mdlazfya
[10:06] <koolhead11> Daviey: ping
[10:33] <Daviey> hey koolhead11
[10:33] <lambda_x> I have one 8.10 ubuntu-server, is it possible to upgrade this system to LTS?
[10:33] <lambda_x> (8.10 repositories are currently unavailable)
[10:36] <koolhead11> Daviey: am uninstalling the keystone package as well and trying the pkg from github. I have no luck in running keystone yet :(
[10:44] <Daviey> koolhead11: Yeah, keystone is erm, interesting at the moment
[10:45] <Daviey> lambda_x: yes
[10:45] <Daviey> !oldreleases | lambda_x
[10:45] <koolhead11> Daviey: whole openstack is running around keystone :D
[10:52] <Daviey> koolhead11: well yes.. did you see the meeting last night?
[10:56] <koolhead11> Daviey: read the final outcome of the meetup. :D
[10:56] <koolhead11> long mail with plans
[10:56]  * koolhead11 wants to see dashboard replaced from django to something simpler :P
[11:00] <Daviey> koolhead11: nah, django is a good choice.
[11:02] <koolhead11> Daviey: i would love to see http://flask.pocoo.org/ instead :D
[11:02] <koolhead11> i find django jumbo app :D
[11:03] <AdamBlack> im trying to figure out a way to set up an incremental backup, to backup .tar files from server1 to server2 over a WAN.. would RSYNC work or is there something better
[11:04] <zul> koolhead11: son of a....can you open up a bug about that
[11:04] <ersi_> rsync is freggin' awesome. It's up for the task.
[11:04] <Daviey> AdamBlack: you need tarballs?
[11:05] <Daviey> rsync is not good for doing incremental tarballs, is it ersi_ ?
[11:05] <koolhead11> zul: hehe. i thought i should not. :D
[11:05] <koolhead11> zul: i will replace ... to 'god' :D
[11:06] <ersi_> Daviey: True, not to my knowledge atleast. I was more on track about that rsync is great at transfering. The data to be transferred should be fixed prior to rsync use ;p
[11:07] <AdamBlack> Daviey: Server1 hosts websites and uses DirectAdmin, DA stores the site backups in tarball and nobody knows where the sites are stored on the server(just joined this place) its not usuall www
[11:08] <Daviey> AdamBlack: DirectAdmin.. :(
[11:08] <Daviey> Can't easily help with that myself.
[11:09] <AdamBlack> worst case scenereo i can backup the whole server1 and scp it to server2 :P
[11:10] <rbasak> AdamBlack: Try my tool, www.synctus.com/ddar. It'll de-duplicate what it transmits over the wire and store it in an archive at the remote end.
[11:11] <rbasak> AdamBlack: it'll work for tarballs - letting you store/trasmit multiple ones that are similar efficiently
[11:11] <Daviey> rbasak: interesting!
[11:11] <AdamBlack> rbasak: having a look now :D
[11:13] <koolhead11> rbasak: hey.
[11:13] <rbasak> hey koolhead11!
[11:14] <koolhead11> zul: okey, am reporting it sir. :D
[11:15] <Daviey> koolhead11: less bugs, more patches :P
[11:16] <koolhead11> Daviey: :)
[11:30] <eagles0513875> hey guys im running into an issue where i cannot set my locale when running tzdata anyone else experiencing this issue
[11:30] <eagles0513875> im on 10.04.3
[11:32] <eagles0513875> this is the output im getting
[11:32] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.com/byk0TbNT
[11:39] <pmatulis> eagles0513875: do you want me to google that for you?
[11:40] <eagles0513875> no need just the first time im seeing that
[11:40] <eagles0513875> pmatulis: i ran dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and set it to my right time zone yet it still brings what i pasted up
[11:45] <eagles0513875> pmatulis: why are these msg's popping up about lc_ctype cannot change and warning about setlocale lc_ctype cannot change locals when i do a tab completion
[12:19] <Jeeves_> Anyone familiar with Symfony (PHP) here?
[12:19] <koolhead11> https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-dashboard/+bug/855467
[12:19] <koolhead11> Jeeves_: ?
[12:20] <Jeeves_> koolhead11: If anyone is familiar with it
[12:21] <koolhead11> Jeeves_: you can ask the question if its related to ubuntu server i suppose :)
[12:23] <Error404NotFound> i am about to launch 2 webservers. Both of these will host same app code. I want both server's nginx, php conf and app code to be in sync. Whats the best way? NFS? cron'ed rsync? something else?
[12:51] <jamespage> Daviey: euca appears to still work with both of those patches applied
[12:51] <zul> good morning
[12:52] <jamespage> morning zul
[12:52] <jamespage> good if you want to sponsor - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/ubuntu/oneiric/eucalyptus/fix-sslv3-compat/+merge/76258
[12:52] <zul> but i would be tainted
[12:57] <Daviey> jamespage: you've missed the fact that you can upload that yourself
[12:57] <Daviey> :)
[12:57] <jamespage> I don't think so
[12:57] <jamespage> I used to be able to
[12:58] <Daviey> ah
[12:58] <jamespage> nope - I can't :-)
[12:58] <Daviey> Yes, sorry.. you can for SRU, oddly :)
[12:58] <Daviey> jamespage: you used to be trusted, but not anymore :)
[12:58] <jamespage> yes - but thats because its generated from the seed
[12:59] <jamespage> and the seed if difference pre oneiric
[12:59] <Daviey> wel yes
[13:00] <jamespage> zul: I saw that cgroups/libvirt issue again last night - bug 842845
[13:01] <zul> jamespage: bah
[13:01] <jamespage> but I was only trying to start one instance this time :-(
[13:01] <zul> jamespage: did you switch between like kvm to lxc?
[13:01] <jamespage> nope - it was a fresh install with just lxc only
[13:01] <Daviey> In other news, turns out rice cooked in a microwave is less than good.
[13:02] <zul> Daviey: duh..
[13:02] <jamespage> I started up a 4 OK (in a single reservation) - left it overnight and then tried to start one this morning - quack quack oooppps
[13:02] <zul> jamespage: can i get acccess to the machine?
[13:02]  * koolhead11 kicks himself
[13:02] <jamespage> zul: nope - I had to scrub it to test the euca fixes :-(
[13:03] <zul> jamespage: doh
[13:03] <jamespage> but I'll set it up again ~ 20 mins
[13:03] <zul> jamespage: ok lemme know when you can give me access
[13:03] <jamespage> sure
[13:05] <Daviey> zul: whilst you are waiting, you could setup ipv6 to connect to jamespage's network. :)
[13:05] <jamespage> that you could
[13:05] <zul> jamespage: how can i do that?
[13:06] <jamespage> I'm IPv6 enabled so all my servers get globally accessible IP addresses
[13:06] <zul> okies...meaning :)
[13:06] <jamespage> I'll have to permit you access through my firewall
[13:07] <jamespage> zul: you don't have IPv6?
[13:07] <zul> jamespage: ok
[13:07] <Daviey> zul: forwarding you a mail
[13:07] <zul> jamespage: no
[13:07] <jamespage> :-(
[13:07] <zul> still old school
[13:07] <Daviey> zul: chuck.shortk right?
[13:07] <zul> Daviey: eh?
[13:08] <Daviey> zul: you have mail.
[13:08] <zul> oh goody i love email
[13:08] <jamespage> this might be a stupid question
[13:08] <jamespage> but how do I easily see what preseed configuration parameters a package has?
[13:09] <rbasak> What's the preferred way of getting a nova test environment going on oneiric? I'm trying https://github.com/vishvananda/novascript/blob/master/nova.sh but it doesn't seem to want to work with lp:ubuntu/nova
[13:10] <jamespage> rbasak, all-in-one install try this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Oneiric/OpenStackTestPlan
[13:10] <Daviey> jamespage: something like, $ debconf-get-selections  | grep mysql
[13:10] <Daviey> ?
[13:11] <rbasak> jamespage: thanks, but can I run out of my own nova source tree?
[13:12] <Daviey> rbasak: if using lp:nova, i would use nova.sh
[13:12] <rbasak> Daviey: nova.sh works with lp:nova but evidently not with lp:ubuntu/nova
[13:13] <Daviey> rbasak: if using lp:ubuntu/nova, i'd probably generate a deb TBH
[13:13] <rbasak> I have a patch that may or may not work but I can't get a sensible environment to test it in
[13:24] <lynxman> morning everyone
[13:35] <aubre> does anyone know how to make iscsi connection logins persistent across reboots on the initiator ? using 10.04 server LTS
[13:45] <koolhead11> jamespage: i don`t see mysql there :P
[13:45] <jamespage> it does not need it
[13:46] <jamespage> for all-in-one anyway
[13:48] <soren> Daviey: Is there any documentation at all for the orchestra stuff?
[13:48] <soren> Daviey: I've installed ubuntu-orchestra-provisioning-server. Now what?
[13:48] <RoAkSoAx> soren: in progress
[13:48] <soren> RoAkSoAx: Does that mean "no"?
[13:48] <RoAkSoAx> soren: there is
[13:48] <soren> Great! :)
[13:48] <soren> Where?
[13:49] <RoAkSoAx> soren: but im in the mprocess of writing it on help.u.c
[13:49] <RoAkSoAx> soren: starting to
[13:49] <lynxman> jcastro: ping
[13:49] <soren> RoAkSoAx: Where is it now?
[13:50] <RoAkSoAx> soren: private
[13:50] <koolhead11> jamespage: earlier we used mysql for all in one on natty and were thinking the same for oneiric. :d
[13:50] <soren> I see.
[13:50] <koolhead11> hey soren
[13:50] <soren> The problem is that from what I can see, it's completely and utterly broken, but the docs might tell me that this is how it's supposed to (read: not) work.
[13:50] <hkraal> Hi, I'm having a problem with a fresh installed Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS server with MySQL 5.1.41-3ubuntu12.10. I've imported 1500 databases, 10 GB, (including the mysql DB) and copied the /etc/mysql/debian.cnf from the old (Ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS, MySQL 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.7)  to the new server. All went fine and everything is up and running. The only problem I've is debian-start is running 16 times pushing the load to 17 and keeps doing this continuesly. Is anyone
[13:50] <hkraal> fammiliar with this kind of behaviour? some log and ps aux information can be found here: http://pastie.org/private/ivf3wb7jzuorq3mdlazfya
[13:51] <Daviey> soren: what specific issues are you seeing?
[13:51] <soren> Daviey: I don't know. What is it supposed to do?
[13:52] <soren> Almost every conceivable answer I've been able to come up with for that answer, it doesn't do.
[13:52] <Daviey> soren: I was expecting you to reply with package conflicts, or a traceback or something!
[13:52] <soren> So maybe I'm not veyr good at guesssing what it's meant to do.
[13:52] <soren> I install the package. It goes... err... fine, I guess.  I provide answers. When it's done, I haven't a clue what to do.
[13:52] <soren> There's a new file in /etc/apache2/sites-available.
[13:53] <soren> (even thought it's not a site)
[13:53] <soren> ...I enable that..
[13:53] <soren> and try to access the URL it "suggests".
[13:53] <soren> and I get a 403.
[13:53] <soren> It points to an empty dir, so it's not very interesting anyways.
[13:53] <RoAkSoAx> soren: what dir?
[13:53] <soren> So maybe I'm doing this *all* wrong.
[13:53] <soren> /var/lib/orchestra/www/
[13:53] <soren> RoAkSoAx: ^
[13:54] <RoAkSoAx> soren: that might be just leftovers
[13:54] <soren> From what? I *just* installed it.
[13:54] <soren> It's not been half an hour.
[13:54] <RoAkSoAx> soren: from previous orchestra version 1.x
[13:54] <RoAkSoAx> soren: hehe just hold on for a while and I'll have some documentation ready
[13:54] <soren> In the packages or on my system?
[13:54] <RoAkSoAx> soren: packages
[13:54] <soren> Ah.
[13:55] <soren> Am I installing the wrong pacakge, perhaps?
[13:55] <soren> If I want the thing that can provision new servers, what should I have installed?
[13:55] <smoser> soren, i think you're not in RoAkSoAx's target audience
[13:55] <smoser> :)
[13:55] <RoAkSoAx> soren: ubuntu-orchestra-provisioning-server
[13:55] <soren> smoser: I'm sure I'm not.
[13:55] <soren> RoAkSoAx: YEah, that's what I got.
[13:55] <soren> SHould I be using a PPA instead?
[13:55] <RoAkSoAx> soren: so that should have pulled cobbler
[13:56] <RoAkSoAx> soren: then imported ISO's automatically to cobbler
[13:56] <RoAkSoAx> soren: now you need to add systems into cobbler
[13:56] <soren> I'd be *happy* to report these as bugs, but I don't know if they are. I might be doing this *all wrong* and it's behaving exactly like it's meant to.
[13:56] <smoser> you should have a cobbler web ui at http://<IP_ADDRESS>/cobbler_web
[13:56] <soren> cobbler*_web*.
[13:56] <soren> Of course.
[13:56] <soren> Why didn't I guess that?
[13:56] <soren> Great.
[13:57] <soren> What's the username? I was only asked for a password during install.
[13:57] <smoser> cobbler
[13:57] <smoser> as root, you can run 'cobbler' commands
[13:57] <smoser> and it has useful-ish help
[13:57] <smoser> but i agree that the http:// is completely un-discoverable
[13:57] <andreserl> soren, cobbler
[13:58] <andreserl> soren, it tells you that the username is cobbler and you need a password for it xD
[13:58] <Daviey> smoser / soren: think it requies a debconf note?
[13:58] <smoser> i dont know. i think soren should have just known to go to /cobbler_web
[13:58] <smoser> seriously
[13:58] <soren> Daviey: debconf note, mention in package description, in /usr/share/doc/<whatever>/README, on help.ubuntu.com. ANywhere, really. Just *somewhere*.
[13:58] <soren> Not just in the logs from this channel :)
[13:59] <Daviey> soren: google will parse this channel shortly.
[13:59] <smoser> fwiw, i only knew cobbler_web because it is in my browswer history
[14:00] <zul> ok next upload will ship configuration files for keystone
[14:00] <Daviey> zul: er, for what part?
[14:02] <zul> Daviey: it doesnt ship configuration files in the first place so it doesnt know about the sqlite database that it uses
[14:04] <Daviey> zul: ah, ok - you are not coupling anything to keystone, right?
[14:04] <zul> Daviey:  hell no im just making it usuable
[14:04] <jamespage> smoser, utlemming: beta-2 ec2 tests look OK - a couple of failures where ec2 failed to provision anything
[14:05] <jamespage> and one where the network did not come up on first boot - http://tinyurl.com/6dxsazg
[14:06] <Daviey> zul: hmm.. we don't want stuff easy to use, do we? :)
[14:06] <koolhead11> RoAkSoAx: supp?
[14:07] <zul> Daviey: of course not :)
[14:08] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead11: nothing much, you?
[14:09] <koolhead11> RoAkSoAx: hitting head against keystone. planning to finish my cobbler left over work. Am yet to able to succeed in automated custom partitioning. :(
[14:11] <lynxman> Daviey: easy of use? pft
[14:13] <koolhead11> hey lynxman
[14:13] <lynxman> hey koolhead11 o/
[14:18] <zul> jamespage: can you try applying this patch? people.canonical.com/~chucks/nova-get-info-exception.patch
[14:18] <jamespage> zul: sure
[14:32] <koolhead11> rbasak: have you documented the cobbler VM install steps somewhere?
[14:35] <rbasak> koolhead11: I ended up using http://pad.ubuntu.com/arm-server-netboot (not by me)
[14:41] <jamespage> zul - testing that now
[14:42] <Error404NotFound> i am about to launch 2 webservers. Both of these will host same app code. I want both server's nginx, php conf and app code to be in sync. Whats the best way? NFS? cron'ed rsync? something else?
[14:46] <koolhead11> Error404NotFound: rsync
[14:46] <koolhead11> i have herad of people using for the same
[14:46] <zul> rsync
[14:46] <koolhead11> *hear :D
[14:47] <Error404NotFound> what about the part which would involve creating new vhosts? i would also have to do a graceful web server restart for those rsync'ed files.
[14:50] <koolhead11> Error404NotFound: i am not very sure of your application but what you can do is check for nginx as load balancer and rsyc to sync up data on both the systems.
[14:51] <Error404NotFound> hmmm, i went another way around, my scripts test for /etc/nginx.reload and if it exists, reload nginx, deletes that from from source as well as destionation.
[14:51] <Error404NotFound> destination*
[14:51] <Error404NotFound> though still one problem : single point of failure.
[14:51] <koolhead11> rbasak: https://gist.github.com/1205825 is not accessible to me. am i the only one in world facing that ?
[14:52] <Error404NotFound> koolhead11: yes
[14:53] <rbasak> koolhead11: wfm
[14:53] <hkraal> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/gist.github.com/1205825
[14:55] <koolhead11> rbasak: hkraal seems like websensce is culprit
[14:55] <Daviey> smoser: you were asking why nova hasn't built?
[14:55] <Daviey> Since the last nova built, it was promoted to main.
[14:55] <smoser> i was, how did you know, Daviey
[14:55] <Daviey> glance isn't yet in main, and is a build dep
[14:56] <smoser> ok, so lets pretend for a moment that i dont care why
[14:56] <smoser> and i want to be able to install nova
[14:56] <smoser> just say someone actually wanted to try that
[14:56] <Daviey> jd-strand is reviewing glance as we speak, once that is good, we are GOLD>
[14:56] <smoser> ok.
[14:57] <Daviey> smoser: then the prior built binary will be installed.
[14:57] <Daviey> Until a binary is produced, it will not be superseeded.
[14:57] <smoser> complete with crippling bugs
[14:57] <smoser> :)
[14:57]  * Daviey cripples smoser
[14:57] <smoser> knowledge of this came from agy telling me that there were no nova updates for Canonistack.
[14:59] <koolhead11> Error404NotFound: http://wiki.nginx.org/LoadBalanceExample  this is what i meant
[14:59] <Error404NotFound> hkraal: isup.me
[15:02] <Error404NotFound> koolhead11: even with this, configs would have to be copied between both backends and also single point of failure with respect to copying configs.
[15:04] <Daviey> smoser: http://pb.daviey.com/qdVg/
[15:05] <smoser> suck
[15:06] <smoser> open a bug on this.
[15:18] <Daviey> smoser: i think you need to, $ ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug
[15:19] <smoser> no
[15:19] <smoser> i think i discovered the problem
[15:19] <smoser> and i feared this would happen
[15:19] <smoser> :)
[15:19] <smoser> i think its because 'telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 80' hangs
[15:20] <Daviey> smoser: uh?
[15:24] <Daviey> smoser: can you explain?
[15:25] <smoser> apport checks to see if it is in ec2
[15:25] <smoser> by checking for the metadata service
[15:26] <smoser> Daviey, ok. any idea why its not a genuine package?
[15:27] <smoser> so i veriifed that the <IP_ADDRESS> was the issue
[15:27] <smoser> i did:
[15:27] <smoser> route add -host <IP_ADDRESS> reject
[15:27] <smoser> which can then be removed by
[15:27] <smoser> route del -host <IP_ADDRESS> reject
[15:30] <CluelessPerson> h5
[15:30] <CluelessPerson> '
[15:30] <CluelessPerson> I'm getting an error whenever I boot up my server.
[15:31] <CluelessPerson> init: ureadahead-other main process (712) terminated with status 4
[15:31] <CluelessPerson> [   103.509461] [drm:pch_irq_handler] *ERROR* PCH poison interrupt
[15:32] <CluelessPerson> What does this mean?  google is unhelpful.  although I do think it does have something to do with checking the disks.
[15:32] <Daviey> CluelessPerson: What ubuntu release?
[15:33] <CluelessPerson> 11.04
[15:33] <CluelessPerson> before that error, a couple lines above it speaks about forcing a check on the drives, it being mounted 38 times without a check
[15:34] <Daviey> CluelessPerson: Looks like a kernel bug, and known.
[15:34] <Daviey> It would help i you raise a bug, or continue the discssuion in #ubuntu-kernel
[15:35] <CluelessPerson> I did see a post about a bug related, but didn't realize that this was specifcially it
[15:35] <CluelessPerson> I'll look in to i
[15:35] <Daviey> it might not be, but the kernel folks will be able to help more.
[15:35] <CluelessPerson> thanks
[15:37] <smoser> Daviey, bug 855651 opened for the apport issue we saw.
[15:39] <Daviey> cool
[15:42] <smoser> bug 855660 for the DescribeInstances bug that we were seeing which now seems gone.
[15:43] <Daviey> wron
[15:43] <Daviey> g
[15:55] <Daviey> adam_g: around?
[15:58] <adam_g> Daviey: hey
[16:01] <Daviey> adam_g: rocking
[16:01] <lynxman> adam_g: morning ;)
[16:12] <Daviey> adam_g: can you see my message?
[16:24] <smoser> is/has anyone (utlemming, jamespage) looked at results at https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/oneiric-server-ec2/
[16:25] <jamespage> smoser: I took a run through earlier
[16:26] <smoser> did we opne bugs ?
[16:26] <smoser> or mark failures as a particular bug ?
[16:26] <smoser> is there any sane way to do that in jenkins ?
[16:27] <jamespage> there are only three test failures
[16:27] <jamespage> two looked like ec2 rather than Ubuntu errors - machines where never provisioned
[16:27] <jamespage> and one was lack of network on first boot
[16:28] <zul> jamespage: shazbutt
[16:28] <jamespage> smoser: http://tinyurl.com/6zfumu2
[16:28] <jamespage> as utlemming just asked me to re-run against the most recent images I stopped filing results
[16:29] <smoser> oh. those are against yesterdays images ?
[16:29] <smoser> we really need to improve our test suite.
[16:29] <smoser> as openssl was broken for https traffic yesterday :)
[16:29] <jamespage> smoser: 20110920
[16:30] <smoser> jaso i ask a general question....
[16:30] <smoser> we're going to be running these tests more often (i hope)
[16:30] <smoser> is there a way that we can attach bug numbers and or data to the results ?
[16:32] <jamespage> smoser: yes
[16:32] <jamespage> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/oneiric-server-ec2/ARCH=i386,REGION=ap-southeast-1,STORAGE=instance-store,TEST=simple-user-data,label=ubuntu-server-ec2-testing/
[16:33] <jamespage> for example
[16:36] <smoser> ah. ok. that is useful somewhat.  that comment there i son the parituclar test ?
[16:36] <smoser> that is nice.
[16:37] <Daviey> smoser: great! instances refuse to die
[16:38] <Daviey> ah, just slow to die for some reason
[16:38] <smoser> i think they're dead now
[16:39] <Daviey> yeah
[16:39] <smoser> that is know behavior
[16:39] <smoser> terminate-instances; list
[16:39] <smoser> will show terminated instnace as 'running'
[16:40] <adam_g> i think i saw that yesterday
[16:40] <adam_g> instance is dead, /var/lib/nova/instances/instance-* is deleted, etc. but updating host status in db seems delayed
[16:41] <adam_g> or instance status
[16:45] <lynxman> I had that several times myself, I had to delete the objects from the DB manually at the end
[16:53] <zul> heh....im dont dead im just resting
[16:53] <zul> sorry i watched monty python last night
[16:57] <lynxman> zul: bring out yeh deaaad
[17:04] <Daviey> smoser: do you have a euca-terminate-all helper?
[17:05] <Daviey> I made one a while ago, but wonderd if you had anything clean?
[17:07] <smoser> i can make one
[17:08] <Daviey> smoser: mine was euca-describe | grep running | awk | -> for i in that ; terinate $i
[17:09] <Daviey> smoser: see win #4
[17:19] <Daviey> 011-09-21 13:18:53,070 WARNING nova.scheduler.manager [-] Driver Method schedule_run_instance missing: 'ChanceScheduler' object has no attribute 'schedule_run_instance'.Reverting to schedule()
[17:19] <Daviey> nice
[17:21] <adam_g> oh
[17:21] <adam_g> hold on
[17:21] <Daviey> adam_g: do you have an idea why only the first node is working?
[17:22] <adam_g> yes
[17:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yo!
[17:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: mtaylor has a some ideas about the pxe preseed opts in Orchestra
[17:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: you around?
[17:42] <lynxman> kirkland: that sounds interesting :)
[17:42] <kirkland> mtaylor: RoAkSoAx: I'm nibbling on lunch, so make sure you highlight my nick when you speak :-P
[17:42] <mtaylor> RoAkSoAx: so - I was checking in with kirkland about whether or not orchestra had done anything about preseed's inability to properly deal with multiple nics. (last I checked, I needed to add "netcfg/choose_interface=eth0" to the kopts even if I had that in the preseed file)
[17:44] <mtaylor> RoAkSoAx: so I guess the inquiry is in two parts - is there a way to get preseed itself to do what I'm asking it to do without having to pass kopts, and if not, is there a way to make orchestra scan through stuff and do the right thing so that folks don't get screwed by doing a preseed config that still asks menu questions
[17:47] <RoAkSoAx> mtaylor kirkland im on way to lunch too can we talk in ~1hr? im from cell atm
[17:47] <smoser> mathiaz, meet utlemming .
[17:47] <kirkland> mtaylor: what would your desired behavior be?
[17:48] <mtaylor> RoAkSoAx: sure
[17:48] <smoser> utlemming, is doing much of the ec2 work now. you can ping him if i'm not available for sure.
[17:49] <kirkland> mtaylor: ie, you don't want it to be an orchestra-wide setting, do you?
[17:49] <kirkland> mtaylor: different machines might have different nic counts, right?
[17:49] <mathiaz> smoser: great -thanks!
[17:50] <kirkland> matttthiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[17:50] <mathiaz> kirkland: :)
[17:50] <kirkland> :-)
[17:50] <mathiaz> kirkland: how are you doing/
[17:50] <mathiaz> ?
[17:50] <kirkland> mathiaz: well, man :-)
[17:50] <kirkland> mathiaz: et toi?
[17:50] <Daviey> mathiaz: I seem to remember you saying, "I won't be a stranger"
[17:51] <smoser> yes, its good to see the ubuntu hero mathiaz around.
[17:51] <smoser> we were just swearing^H^H^H^H^H^H talking about some of your work yesterday
[17:52] <mathiaz> smoser: ah nice! Hopefully some of it is still used :)
[17:52] <mathiaz> kirkland: doing well here
[17:52] <smoser> hoping to get some of the euca-stress tests pointing at openstack
[17:55] <mtaylor> kirkland: well, thing number one is that if I put netcfg/choose_interface=eth0 into a preseed file, I'd love for that to work
[17:56] <DanaG> weird... looking at my management tool's results for chkdsk eventlogs, I see some computers where it did this:  Check C:, fix C:.  Reboot.  Check D:, fix D:.  Check D:. No errors.
[17:56] <DanaG> Note that the "C:" is one event, and the "D:" pair is another event... yet the TimeGenerated field is the same on both.
[17:56] <mtaylor> kirkland: BUT - if that doesn't work, it would be a nice hack if orchestra could look in the preseed file for netcfg/choose_interface and if it's there toss something into the kopts
[17:56] <zul> mathiaz: hey!
[17:58] <DanaG> oops, wrong channel.
[17:59] <lynxman> DanaG: :D
[18:01] <SpamapS> mtaylor: is this a well known bug in netcfg or something?
[18:02] <mtaylor> SpamapS: afaik - I learned about the kopt workaround from a blog somewhere a couple of months ago
[18:02] <mtaylor> SpamapS: so, I think so
[18:06] <mtaylor> SpamapS: related (marginally) ... how does one connect a node in orchestra to a particular set of juju charms (that's never going to get easy to say)
[18:08] <SpamapS> mtaylor: juju wants to be the thing that tells orchestra to turn a machine on / configure it..
[18:08] <SpamapS> mtaylor: so you use the orchestra provider
[18:08] <mtaylor> SpamapS: AH
[18:08] <kirkland> mtaylor: orchestra sort of becomes your EC2 or OpenStack, so to speak
[18:08] <SpamapS> mtaylor: I believe adam_g is working on a blog post for Juju+Orchestra == OpenStack
[18:13] <lynxman> darn, somebody released mcollective on debian after our package, now we have delta :(
[18:13] <zul> lynxman: how big of a delta?
[18:14] <lynxman> zul: afaict biggest thing being the recommend activemq instead of rabbitmq
[18:14] <lynxman> zul: and a couple small details
[18:14] <zul> lynxman: do you know why that is?
[18:14] <lynxman> zul: I have a friend who's a maintainer in debian, he recommends me to join the maintenance team for the package :)
[18:14] <zul> lynxman: good idea
[18:14] <lynxman> zul: because upstream recommends activemq
[18:15] <mtaylor> maybe because activemq doesn't require erlang?
[18:15]  * mtaylor hides
[18:15] <zul> erlang is off the hook
[18:16] <lynxman> mtaylor: well player sir, well played
[18:16] <lynxman> s/player/played/
[18:16] <lynxman> zul: I think they'll eventually switch to rabbitmq tbh
[18:17] <lynxman> zul: anyhow I need to get involved :)
[18:23] <kpettit> any good opensource database browser/query tools for talking with M$ databases?
[18:26] <lynxman> kpettit: odbc I reckon should do the job, that's how I do it normally
[18:27] <kpettit> I'm not that familiar with dealing with ODBC.  I just need to be able to talk to it so I can run sql queries and such.
[18:27] <kpettit> is there good ODBC query/browser tool?
[18:33] <SpamapS> I think the only reason upstream recommends activemq is that its what they started with.
[18:33]  * SpamapS said referring to mcollective
[18:34] <SpamapS> kpettit: I believe libreoffice-base can use any odbc driver
[18:34] <kpettit> worth a try.  thanks
[18:35] <lynxman> SpamapS: yeah actually mcollective upstream recommends activemq as well, but I'm in close contact with the author and he blesses our use of rabbitmq :)
[18:35] <lynxman> SpamapS: he's thinking about switching to rabbitmq at some point
[18:39] <SpamapS> lynxman: right, thats what I mean.. AMQ is just what he used first, so he can confidently recommend it.
[18:39] <SpamapS> my experience with ActiveMQ was that it was dog slow, crashy, and frustrating to configure.
[18:39] <lynxman> SpamapS: deffo but it's a big delta with our package :)
[18:40] <lynxman> SpamapS: and it's not even packaged for Ubuntu
[18:40] <SpamapS> libactivemq-java - ActiveMQ message broker core Java libraries
[18:40] <SpamapS> not that?
[18:40] <lynxman> SpamapS: those are just the java libraries, not the server
[18:41] <SpamapS> Oh is there some reason the server isn't available?
[18:42] <SpamapS> I'm sure somebody might like to use it. :p
[18:42] <lynxman> SpamapS: well... I think I can take it from debian, would be a good exercise :)
[18:42] <lynxman> SpamapS: considering that packaging activemq is a b**tch
[18:42] <lynxman> SpamapS: so if the work has already been done... :)
[18:44]  * lynxman tries to have fun while at puppetconf
[18:46] <SpamapS> lynxman: what do you mean "take it" from debian? it should get synced automatically.
[18:46] <lynxman> SpamapS: it's in unstable
[18:47] <SpamapS> for how long?
[18:47] <SpamapS> Ahh its just arrived.
[18:47] <lynxman> SpamapS: http://packages.debian.org/sid/activemq
[18:47] <lynxman> SpamapS: yeah, it's new and fresh
[18:47] <SpamapS> lynxman: you should file a sync request
[18:47] <lynxman> SpamapS: oh, do explain :)
[18:47]  * lynxman learns something new
[18:48] <SpamapS> lynxman: 'requestsync' on any ubuntu system with ubuntu-dev-tools installed
[18:48] <lynxman> SpamapS: cool, ty
[18:48] <SpamapS> lynxman: its a bit late, but I think its worth putting it in 11.10
[18:49] <lynxman> SpamapS: maybe it can get in universe, but yeah I think it's late for 11.10
[18:50] <smoser> hallyn, so you were asking me to sponsor ifupdown for bug 850309, right ?
[18:50] <SpamapS> lynxman: everything starts in universe :)
[18:51] <CluelessPerson> I get an error while booting my server now....
[18:51] <CluelessPerson> init: ureadahead-other main process (712) terminated with status 4
[18:51] <hallyn> smoser: for starters just a sanity check.  But if it looks good to you then sure.
[18:51] <lynxman> SpamapS: as it should be ;)
[18:51] <hallyn> smoser: it'll need the teensiest of libvirt update as well :)
[18:51] <CluelessPerson> while doing it's check mount/disk thing after however many boots, I'm getting that and this other line and several others
[18:51] <SpamapS> CluelessPerson: do you have a separate /var partition ?
[18:52] <CluelessPerson> [   103.509461] [drm:pch_irq_handler] *ERROR* PCH poison interrupt
[18:52] <smoser> hallyn, i generally think its sane.
[18:52] <CluelessPerson> SpamapS, No, or, not that I know of, then again I'm a new.  JNot that I set up.
[18:52]  * mtaylor is currently battling libvirt. swings arms aimless in the air. collapses sobbing
[18:52] <SpamapS> CluelessPerson: ahh ok.. that used to cause a similar error. ureadahead is just an optimizer, so that message is probably just an annoyance.
[18:53] <smoser> and i even generally think it is non-intrusive
[18:53] <SpamapS> mtaylor: use fire
[18:53] <mtaylor> SpamapS: trying man
[18:55] <smoser> hallyn, i guess i dont have anything terribly against it.  i can't see how it would regress anything, its just an upstart event that nothing would ever listen for (until you hadded libvirt, where youd' ahve to depend on that version or greater of ifupdown)
[18:55] <SpamapS> smoser: +1 from me.. not having the 'wait forever for dhclient' part of static-network-up is disappointing, but it makes it so people will be setup for a better experience on upgrade.
[18:55] <hallyn> great, thanks guys.
[18:55] <hallyn> objections to doing the same for lucid?
[18:56] <SpamapS> I think it should go all the way back to lucid
[18:56]  * mtaylor thinks SpamapS should go all the way back to lucid
[18:56] <smoser> i have no objections.. but see what the patch looks like. if it actually is as trivial and non-intrusive as it is here.
[18:56] <SpamapS> There will be plenty of people who will appreciate that.
[18:56]  * SpamapS thinks mtaylor should stop being so hoary
[18:57] <mtaylor> SpamapS: but the breeze is so karmic...
[19:02] <smoser> hallyn, one comment, if you're merging changelog entries, you might as well merge them all i think
[19:03] <smoser> rather than confusing *\n[Scott Moser]\n...[Clint]\n...[Scott ]\n...
[19:03] <lynxman> SpamapS: btw you're packaging juju right? Let me know when I can sync my port :)
[19:07] <SpamapS> lynxman: right, we're waiting for all the eureka features to land then will upload it.
[19:07] <lynxman> SpamapS: schweet
[19:11] <CluelessPerson> SpamapS, It's keeping my server from booting
[19:14] <SpamapS> CluelessPerson: it may be a symptom of whats keeping your server from booting, but its probably not the root cause. What version of Ubuntu?
[19:21] <CluelessPerson> 11.04
[19:21] <CluelessPerson> SpamapS, ^
[19:23] <soren> Phew. Finally got a server off of its 2.6.24-19 kernel.
[19:24] <soren> Tough nut to crack, that one. It was infected with evms, which held my boot record hostage.
[19:25] <soren> /boot was an lvm volume that lived on top of a software raid1 set.
[19:26] <soren> Because evms had been installed at some point (this is a rather old server, let me tell you), it was in the initrd.
[19:26] <soren> ...this meant that instead of having md0 (the raid1 set holding my lvm stuff) be built up of sda1 and sdb1, it was built up of dm-0 and dm-1 which were in turn evms crackpot aliases for sda1 and sdb1.
[19:27] <soren> ...and lilo refused to install an mbr on a devmapper device.
[19:27] <soren> ...but I couldn't get rid of evms, because that would require installing an initrd that didn't have evms in it.
[19:28] <soren> I finally had the epiphany that I could use kexec to load a new kernel and initrd.
[19:29] <soren> and rid myself of this ancient kernel. I can't imagine how many security bugs have been fixed between 2.6.24-19 and 2.6.24-29.
[19:34] <j0nr> \leave
[19:43] <SpamapS> CluelessPerson: maybe try editting the command line in grub and remove the 'quiet' keyword so you can see what the system is doing before it fails.
[19:46] <Daviey> CluelessPerson: did you speak with kernel?
[19:53] <Dulcin> I'm getting this error when starting mysql: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)
[19:53] <Dulcin> I've tried like the first 20 google results, but can't find a solution
[19:54] <Dulcin> I'm not sure what caused it, it used to work...
[19:56] <jeblair> SpamapS: do you have any pointers to docs on how to get started using orchestra with juju?  ie, how to have certain charms run on a (physical) server bootstrapped with orchestra?
[19:57] <SpamapS> jeblair: docs are being worked on right now.. its only just started working reliably in the last week or two. ;)
[19:58] <SpamapS> jeblair: Assigning services to specific machine types is one of those "oops we need to do a better job of that" problems. I believe the way right now is to change environments.yaml when deploying so that a certain mgmtclass of machines is chosen.
[19:59] <SpamapS> jeblair: its equally painful on EC2 .. so its a juju-wide problem. ;)
[20:00] <jeblair> SpamapS: is there a sample environments.yaml that uses orchestra?
[20:00] <jeblair> (or cobbler)
[20:02] <jeblair> ah, i think i see what i need in the source.  i'll try to follow that. :)
[20:07] <lynxman> SpamapS: juju-wide? :)
[20:15] <ScatterBrain> I just updated my laptop with the newest Kernel - came in as a software update.  When I rebooted, EVERYTHING is slower now.  Booting, Starting Gnome everything except for typing is slower.  Anyone know of a problem with the newest kernel?
[20:16] <GRMrGecko> What would you guys recommend using for Dell PowerEdge T710? Ubuntu Server or Debian?
[20:21] <lynxman> GRMrGecko: I think it'd work properly yeah, T710 has pretty standard components :)
[20:22] <RoyK> GRMrGecko: just try ubuntu 10.04 on it - if it works, well, you'll have a good server
[20:23] <RoyK> if lucid fails, try something newer
[20:23]  * RoyK prefers LTS for servers
[20:24] <lynxman> RoyK: definitely LTS for server good choice
[20:25]  * RoyK is managing about 40 ubuntu servers and doesn't want to upgrade them every 6 months
[20:25] <StevenR> upgrading is dull. it's much easier to do that every few years
[20:26] <RoyK> I still have a few 8.04 boxes running
[20:26] <StevenR> GRMrGecko: we have a load of R710 (I guess the rack version of the T710) running Lucid with no problems
[20:26] <RoyK> no problems with those
[20:26] <GRMrGecko> ok
[20:26] <GRMrGecko> thanks
[20:27] <RoyK> GRMrGecko: use cutting edge software when you need the latest and hottest. use LTS if you need something stable. use the former LTS release if you want something rock stable
[20:28] <RoyK> 8.04 is the most stable ubuntu release I've seen so far
[20:28] <RoyK> but then, it's old, and may lack a few drivers etc
[20:37] <RoAkSoAx> mtaylor: sorry for the delay got stuck in traffic, and phone run out of battery so no 3g
[20:37] <mtaylor> RoAkSoAx: that sounds terrible!
[20:38] <RoAkSoAx> mtaylor: anyway, as far as I know, there's been many people trying to configure many nics
[20:38] <RoAkSoAx> in a preseed
[20:38] <RoAkSoAx> and they have been unsucessful
[20:39] <mtaylor> RoAkSoAx: yes - well, I don't even care about configuring all of them, as much as just selecting the default one
[20:39] <mtaylor> but it, indeed, does not even come close to working
[20:40] <mtaylor> which would make orchestra/cobbler/pxe/preseed kind of useless in most server environments if it weren't for being able to pass netcfg stuff in to the kernel as boot options
[20:41] <kirkland> mtaylor: would gpxe help?
[20:41] <kirkland> mtaylor: i've heard its more configurable...though I've not used it myself
[20:41] <mtaylor> kirkland: I don't think it's a pxe problem as much as it's a preseed problem
[20:41] <mtaylor> everything _does_ work if you pass the extra kopt
[20:42] <mtaylor> it's just why preseed doesn't honor the value in the preseed file for default nic is beyond me
[20:42] <RoAkSoAx> mtaylor: there's mtaylor right, but how are you thinking to select the default network interfacE?
[20:42] <RoAkSoAx> mtaylor: we could do some tricks to get things passed "automatically"
[20:43] <mtaylor> RoAkSoAx: well, I'm fine with even coding the default interface into the preseed file in a normal cobbler setup (if that worked)
[20:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: worst case, each machine's kopts can be edited in the web interface, right?
[20:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and on the cli, too, right?
[20:43] <mtaylor> yes. which is what I've been doing
[20:44] <kirkland> mtaylor: was that "yes" to me?  for the web ui or the cli?
[20:44] <mtaylor> well, cli - but it's the same overall effect - I have to configure extra kopts, which is very counter-intuitive
[20:44] <mtaylor> given that preseed HAS the option listed
[20:46] <mtaylor> in any case- I would think that a) fixing preseed would be stellar - but b) if preseed can't be fixed for some reason, it would be a nice user-friendly hack to have orchestra scan the preseed file it's using for that machine and if it finds the appropriate netcfg line to add it to kopts
[20:46] <mtaylor> (since orchestra seems to be doing a great job of providing sensible default setups for cobbler)
[20:48] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yes we can
[20:49] <RoAkSoAx> mtaylor: but for example, if we modify network values on a system, those network values do not reflect in the preseed as we arent actually editing the preseed for that
[20:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: I think mtaylor's request is reasonable, though landing this in 11.10 might be hard, with final freeze next thursday
[20:49] <RoAkSoAx> or cobblre is not automatically editting the preseed to introduce network values
[20:50] <kirkland> mtaylor: would you mind filing a bug against orchestra so that we can document this as a bug/feature-request?
[20:50] <mtaylor> kirkland: sure! although I tihnk I should probably also file a bug against preseed... any idea where the right place to file that one is?
[20:50] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cobbler has support for some variables to get passed through to the preseeds;  smoser did some work around that
[20:51] <kirkland> mtaylor: file it against debian-installer
[20:51] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah we can pass variables and stuff
[20:51] <kirkland> mtaylor: you can click "also affects" orchestra
[20:51] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: we can even obtain the info for eth0 ip, mac, etc etc and put it in the preseed
[20:51] <kirkland> mtaylor: so that it shows up in both lists
[20:51] <mtaylor> kirkland: sweet
[20:51] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: however, in cobbler system we cannot say which interface is default
[20:51] <kirkland> mtaylor: cjwatson will move around the "debian-installer" bit to the right component
[20:51] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: understood;  i think i told mtaylor as much
[20:51] <mtaylor> RoAkSoAx: would it perhaps be reasonable to file a bug against cobbler for a way to express default interface?
[20:52] <mtaylor> I mean - it's rare to find a machine _without_ 4 NICs these days
[20:52] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: mtaylor: orchestra assumes that eth0 is the default interface;  machines where that's not true are handled on a one-off basis
[20:52] <RoAkSoAx> mtaylor: I guess we could but that would be a new feature
[20:52] <smoser> what is "default interface" ?
[20:52] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: new features are okay for 12.04, just not 11.10 at this point
[20:53] <kirkland> smoser: i think mtaylor means "the netboot" interface, right?
[20:53] <mtaylor> kirkland: I'm fine with that assumption - the main thing I want to make sure is that booting the machine doesn't hang on a menu option
[20:53] <kirkland> mtaylor: +1, agreed
[20:53] <kirkland> mtaylor: so when you file your bug, express it in that manner
[20:54] <mtaylor> I shall attempt to do so
[20:54] <kirkland> mtaylor: "the bad thing that happens here is that headless, orchestra-installed machines are hanging on a menu option...etc."
[20:54] <mtaylor> yes. which is - you know - not usually what one is trying to accomplish
[20:55] <kirkland> mtaylor: :-)
[20:55] <smoser> why would a machine hang on the menu entry ?
[20:55] <smoser> the mnu is supposed to time out and fall back to locak disk.
[20:55] <smoser> no?
[20:55] <smoser> i'm clearly missing something. so i'll be quite.
[20:55] <smoser> quite quiet even.
[20:59] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah we could use the netboot interface as the default interface
[20:59] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: an we could fill kopts or the preseed with that
[21:00] <smoser> there is an 'early_command' (similar to 'late_command')
[21:01] <mtaylor> smoser: so, outside of the orchestra context - if you pxeboot an image and hand it a preseed file, and in that preseed file you have netcfg/choose_interface=eth0
[21:01] <mtaylor> smoser: to tell the machine on what interface to listen for dhcp
[21:01] <mtaylor> smoser: it doesn't work
[21:01] <mtaylor> and it pops up a menu and asks you what interface you want as your default interface
[21:01] <mtaylor> if, however, you pass netcfg/choose_interface=eth0 to the kernel as a boot option - it works as expected
[21:02] <kirkland> mtaylor: okay, if that's the issue, that's a bug; and a big one
[21:02] <kirkland> mtaylor: i'm sorry if i missed that part directly, from the start
[21:02] <kirkland> mtaylor: that's a debian-installer issue
[21:02] <mtaylor> kirkland: yes. sorry - I may not have been clear earlier
[21:02] <kirkland> mtaylor: i probably just read right past that, and assumed it was an orchestra bug :-)
[21:03] <mtaylor> kirkland: totally - I was just thinking since it seems to be a known issue, perhaps orchestra could help work around it
[21:03] <kirkland> mtaylor: can you pastebin all or part of your preseed?
[21:03] <kirkland> mtaylor: any chance its just grammar/syntax?
[21:03] <kirkland> mtaylor: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/example-preseed.txt
[21:03] <kirkland> # To pick a particular interface instead:
[21:03] <kirkland> #d-i netcfg/choose_interface select eth1
[21:04] <RoAkSoAx> mtaylor: yeah that's totally a bug in the preseed
[21:04] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: have you seen this before?  reproduced it?
[21:04] <mtaylor> kirkland: d-i netcfg/choose_interface select eth0
[21:04] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: i have never personally tried but adam_g encountered the problem and used kopts to chose default interface
[21:05] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so yeah we encountered the same issue but was work arounded the same
[21:05] <mtaylor> kirkland: I ran in to this 2 months ago in a data center - and then I found a blog post about using kopts
[21:05] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, okay, we need a pretty urgent bug filed and assigned to cjwatson, then
[21:05] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: i'll test it again and see what I find though
[21:05] <mtaylor> speak of the devil
[21:05] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: the thing is withing cobbler we could actually just add an option to select the default interface to place it in the preseed
[21:06] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: i'll look into that though
[21:06] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: will investigate a bit more how was that done in rhel
[21:06] <mtaylor> of course, in _my_ personal usecase, I'd also need it backported to d-i of lucid, maverick and natty ... so I might just need to keep doing kopts for those. but still
[21:07] <kirkland> hmm, the closest bugs I see are:
[21:07] <kirkland> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/+bug/713385
[21:07] <kirkland> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/+bug/56679
[21:07] <smoser> mtaylor, thank youfor explanation.
[21:08] <mtaylor> smoser: sure! thanks for asking the question - it seems to have caused me to re-explain in a more useful way :)
[21:09] <mtaylor> kirkland: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/855921
[21:10] <kirkland> mtaylor: this is Oneiric?
[21:10] <kirkland> mtaylor: one thing you might want to edit in your bug description ....
 kirkland: d-i netcfg/choose_interface select eth0
[21:11] <mtaylor> kirkland: tbh, I haven't tried oneiric - it wasn't booting last time I was setting up cobbler
[21:11] <kirkland> mtaylor: whereas you say: "in that preseed file you have netcfg/choose_interface=eth0"
[21:11] <mtaylor> kirkland: good point
[21:11] <kirkland> mtaylor: okay, so this is natty?
[21:11] <kirkland> mtaylor: or something else?
[21:11] <kirkland> mtaylor: i'd like to note which version you're seeing this one
[21:12] <mtaylor> kirkland: it was either natty or maverick
[21:12] <mtaylor> kirkland: I _believe_ both
[21:12] <kirkland> mtaylor: k
[21:12] <mtaylor> kirkland: I'll work on re-reproducing it
[21:12]  * mtaylor just got 5 machines in a lab for cobbler/install use
[21:12] <kirkland> i wonder if I can reproduce this in a vm with multiple nics ....
[21:13]  * kirkland tries
[21:17]  * RoAkSoAx waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa compiz acting up grrr
[21:18] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: unity2d, baby
[21:18] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: hehe yeah I'm gonna have to change
[21:18] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: for bonus, you'll get 3 extra hours of battery, too!
[21:19] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: really? heh good to know
[21:19] <RoAkSoAx> brbr
[21:19] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[21:19] <RoAkSoAx> exit
[21:20] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: um
[21:20] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: how does cobbler feed the preseed to the machine being installed?
[21:20] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: over http?  or pxe?
[21:21] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: http
[21:21] <kirkland> mtaylor: hmm
[21:21] <kirkland> mtaylor: we need the network to be "up", to retrieve the preseed
[21:22] <kirkland> hello chicken, my name is egg!
[21:22] <segv> so, i installed mongrel-clustesr and it has a sites-enabled/sites-available dir, but no examples or anything really, is there a stock page or package documentation for the repo version so I don't have to modify anything
[21:22] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: basically, cooobler just creates a pxe file that lists auto url==http://blablablala/bla/preseed/
[21:22] <mtaylor> I thought it did the preseed as a bit of the dhcp netboot interaction
[21:22] <RoAkSoAx> or something like that
[21:22] <segv> cobbler is awesome
[21:22] <segv> :)
[21:22] <mtaylor> yes - no, you're right
[21:22] <kirkland> mtaylor: i'm confirming with RoAkSoAx, but it looks like it's using the url= param on the kernel line
[21:23] <mtaylor> but this is the funny part - because of the netboot part - the network is actually WORKING just fine
[21:23] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yes it does
[21:23] <mtaylor> which is what makes the netcfg/choose_interface=default thing not working all the more funny
[21:23] <kirkland> mtaylor: okay, i'm disecting this ....
[21:23] <segv> you know you can just grab the pxe grub init etc. and use grub to netboot yeah?
[21:23] <segv> I do it all the time :)
[21:23] <kirkland> mtaylor: basically, i think the assumption should be in debian-installer
[21:24] <kirkland> mtaylor: that if you netbooted using some interface, then that's your damn default!
[21:24] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/694771/
[21:24] <mtaylor> kirkland: YES
[21:26] <kirkland> mtaylor: hmm, any idea, top your head, how to determine that inside of the OS?
[21:27] <mtaylor> uhm
[21:28] <mtaylor> netstat ?
[21:28] <mtaylor> kirkland: ip route | grep default | awk '{print $5}'
[21:29] <kirkland> mtaylor: heh, we have to do this *before* ip has a route :-)
[21:29] <kirkland> mtaylor: we're trying to determine which interface to use, right?
[21:30] <kirkland> mtaylor: fwiw, i've reproduced this in a VM with multiple nics
[21:31] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: so...here's what i'm thinking
[21:31] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: shoot
[21:31] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i _think_ we should perhaps set that netcfg/choose_interface=eth0 in the kernel opts, by default
[21:31] <mtaylor> kirkland: YAY
[21:31] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and document that that needs to be changed for machines where that's a bad assumption
[21:31] <kirkland> mtaylor: ^
[21:31] <kirkland> mtaylor: what do you think?
[21:32] <mtaylor> kirkland: I think that's an excellent default for orchestra to do
[21:32] <mtaylor> kirkland: it catches the 90% case and is inline with your assumtions already
[21:32] <kirkland> mtaylor: i thought you might like that :-)
[21:32] <mtaylor> kirkland: you've figured me out
[21:32] <kirkland> mtaylor: yeah, i think so
[21:32] <mtaylor> sensible defaults ftw
[21:35] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: we can do that
[21:39] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I'll look into doing it on orchestra or simply just changing a template whithin cobbler
[21:42] <segv> hmmm
[21:43] <segv> What's a stock mongrel-cluster enabled site config look like, just a default mongrel cluster file?
[21:57] <jdstrand> Daviey: I'm looking at the iscsitarget mir (bug #843808)
[21:58] <jdstrand> Daviey: why did tgt get demoted and we are asking for a mir of iscsitarget?
[22:01] <jdstrand> zul: ^
[22:03] <jdstrand> well, I guess because nova doesn't have tgt support
[22:04] <jdstrand> zul: I found this actually: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/819997
[22:07] <Daviey> jdstrand: tgt was considered to be less reliable than iscsitarget
[22:07] <Daviey> IIRC
[22:07] <Daviey> ah no
[22:07] <kirkland> jamespage: don't you have an enjumble charmula for jenkins?
[22:08] <mtaylor> jamespage: hey
[22:08] <Daviey> jdstrand: i might be talking tosh
[22:08] <jdstrand> Daviey: I'm trying to find the origins of tgt, but I thought it was a rewrite and supported by RHEL
[22:08] <jdstrand> well, I know it is supported by RHEL
[22:08] <Daviey> jdstrand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/819997
[22:08] <jdstrand> I don't know its origins
[22:08] <jdstrand> Daviey: yes, I just pasted that bug :)
[22:08] <mtaylor> jamespage: I was just thinking that, in addition to me ever finishing the jclouds plugin - we should write a jenkins plugin that just makes juju calls
[22:09] <Daviey> https://code.launchpad.net/~markmc/nova/iscsi-tgtadm-choice/+merge/75906
[22:09] <Daviey> good description
[22:10] <kirkland> mtaylor: https://code.launchpad.net/~charmers/charm/oneiric/jenkins/trunk
[22:11] <jdstrand> Daviey: ok, I updated the bug asking for server team imput regarding tgt
[22:11] <jdstrand> input
[22:14] <mtaylor> kirkland: so, uh, can't use orchestra to deploy anything less than oeneric, apparently, because it wants to install ubuntu-orchestra-client on the machine. ?
[22:15] <kirkland> mtaylor: good point -- RoAkSoAx we need to fix that
[22:15] <kirkland> mtaylor: you'll need to drop that out of the preseed file
[22:15] <mtaylor> kirkland: ok. it'll still work and stuff?
[22:15] <kirkland> mtaylor: we'll ge that fixed
[22:15] <kirkland> mtaylor: yeah
[22:15] <mtaylor> cool.
[22:15] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: uhmmm i can do something else to work around that problem
[22:16] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool -- what?
[22:16] <mtaylor> kirkland: need a bug filed?
[22:16] <kirkland> mtaylor: please
[22:16] <kirkland> mtaylor: assign it to RoAkSoAx (andreserl)
[22:16] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: put that in a preseed, and do and if/else to see the version of the OS
[22:16] <RoAkSoAx> s/preseed/snippet
[22:16] <RoAkSoAx> so if it is natty or lower, not install the client
[22:17] <kirkland> mtaylor: we definitely want orchestra to be able to install lucid - oneiric
[22:17] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: rock!
[22:18] <mtaylor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/orchestra/+bug/855956
[22:20] <RoAkSoAx> mtaylor: thanks
[22:21] <kirkland> mtaylor: cool
[22:21] <kirkland> mtaylor: you coming to Orlando?
[22:21] <mtaylor> kirkland: yup.
[22:21] <kirkland> mtaylor: cool!  I'll make RoAkSoAx buy you a beer :-D
[22:21] <kirkland> LoL
[22:21] <mtaylor> kirkland: whole openstack community team is coming, actually - me, and jeblair  and jaypipes and ttx and reed
[22:21] <kirkland> neat
[22:22] <kirkland> I'll be at ODS too
[22:22] <mtaylor> yup. it's gonna be baller
[22:22] <mtaylor> sweet
[22:23] <RoAkSoAx> coolio
[22:23] <RoAkSoAx> cool*
[22:23] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[22:23] <Daviey> thanks jdstrand
[22:29] <Daviey> jdstrand: Do you have any findings from glance?
[22:34] <jdstrand> Daviey: haven't looked yet. rest assured, I will get there. other than 3 phone calls today, all I have been doing is server team MIRs (and that doesn't count all the hours on monday and tuesday)
[22:35] <jdstrand> (please bear with me, code audits, even at this shallow depth take a while)
[22:40] <Daviey> jdstrand: Yes, sorry - i didn't mean to seem to be keeping on, I was really just seeing if there is anything we can do based on initial findings.
[22:41] <Daviey> We do appreciate your time :)
[22:42] <jdstrand> no worries
[22:49] <zul> jdstrand: yeah thats a rewrite of what i did (the nova branch)
[23:03] <jeblair> so another workaround to bug 855956 is to install oneiric... it prompted with an option to configure iscsi volumes, which isn't desirable in an unattended orchestra installation...
[23:09] <jeblair> kirkland: does that sound like an installer bug, or something we should be setting in orchestra?
[23:41] <bfreis> Is there a Natty cloud image very very small, smaller than those available at http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/server/natty/current/ ? I'd like it to have only cloud init, and a very small set of packages
[23:42] <bfreis> Or how could I build such an image?


[00:01] <geser> cjwatson_: Hi, when you have time could you review bug #180669? It includes also a fix for the fakeroot FTBFS problem in hardy.
[00:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180669 in fakeroot "[Merge] fakeroot 1.9 from Debian unstable (includes also a fix for the FTBFS)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180669
[00:11] <t0mLe> hi, have a question - any one know what my be causing "gdbm fatal: lseek error" - happens every time i try using svn
[00:17] <geser> t0mLe: bug #180368
[00:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180368 in command-not-found "gdbm fatal: lseek error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180368
[00:19] <t0mLe> thank you geser; only did a quick search and did not find any thing..
[00:21] <t0mLe> no know now of any temp fixes?
[00:26] <Fujitsu> t0mLe: Are you sure it's svn giving that error, and not command-not-found? Try installing svn.
[00:27] <t0mLe> Fujitsu, i will try..
[00:28] <t0mLe> ok, it probably was command-not-found
[00:28] <t0mLe> since installing SVN worked...
[00:29] <t0mLe> it did fix it..
[02:13] <emgent> keescook, ping
[03:52] <supersako> im a software developer currently running archlinux on my laptop but sick of it.. going to switch to ubuntu  but dont know if i should get ubuntu or kubuntu what are you guys running?
[03:52] <Chipzz> supersako: -> #ubuntu pls
[03:52] <Hobbsee> ubuntu in here
[03:53] <Chipzz> and also ubuntu
[03:53] <Chipzz> Hobbsee: so what's up with you not running kubuntu anyway? ;)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Chipzz: wanted a change.  *shrug*
[03:54] <Chipzz> Hobbsee: yeah but I though you maintained quite a few kde packages?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> kde is group-maintained
[03:54] <Hobbsee> but yes, i made some fo the uplaods to them
[06:15] <wasabi> Hmm. Epiphany somehow lost NTLM support in hardy recently.
[07:22] <x15_> anybody in here?
[07:24] <ion_> metaquestions + impatience = win
[08:02] <stdin> if I have a patch for devscripts, I should just post a bug and upload the debdiff right?
[08:20] <stdin> done that anyway: bug 180748
[08:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180748 in devscripts "debchange should increment ~ppa revisions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180748
[10:08] <hunger> Any chance of getting valgrind merged into hardy? It is a dev-only tool, so it shouldn't break things for users and it had some mayor updates.
[10:30] <stdin> Hobbsee: bug 180748 :)
[10:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180748 in devscripts "debchange should increment ~ppa revisions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180748
[11:15]  * Hobbsee marks a critical bug.
[11:37] <pabs3> how does one get a sync request acted on? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/warzone2100/+bug/180357
[11:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180357 in warzone2100 "Please sync warzone2100 version 2.1.0~0.svn3260-2 from Debian unstable (main)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[11:39] <Fujitsu> pabs3: One waits. Particularly as it is a weekend.
[11:51] <persia> pabs3: It will likely get hit on Monday.
[11:52] <pabs3> cool. what about removing packages from gutsy? is that possible?
[11:52] <persia> pabs3: Only in cases of extreme legal need.  Better to remove from hardy.
[11:54] <pabs3> not even for really really buggy stuff? a buggy SVN revision of warzone2100 was imported from Debian. it either needs to be removed from gutsy or synced from sid into gutsy
[11:58] <Giel> yes, the current warzone2100 version is _very_ much outdated, and we seem to be getting bugreports for that package on our bugtracker
[11:58] <minghua> pabs3: Not going to happen.  The sensible solution is to backport the hardy version (once it's sync'ed) to gutsy.
[11:58] <persia> pabs3: If it's really, really, really buggy (as in RC buggy), it might be eligible for an SRU.
[11:58] <Giel> even though we know that some of those bugs are fixed in later SVN versions...
[11:59] <Giel> persia: it isn't a release candidate it's a snapshot from a very unstable development trunk
[12:00] <persia> Giel: I realise that, and had I known three months ago, I'd have tried to find a way to not include it.  As it stands now, it's hard to fix unless it causes data loss, is a severe regression from a previous release, FTBFS, cannot be installed, or segfault on startup.
[12:30] <Riddell> hunger: valgrind merged
[12:32] <Giel> persia: it _will_ cause incompatibility of several config files and savegames made with the version currently in gutsy _will_ break
[12:33] <Giel> which is something I think users should be made aware of when they upgrade their warzone2100
[12:34] <persia> Giel: That might be data loss, but it might be a candidate for a NEWS.Debian entry or richer maintainer scripts.  I'm not one of the people who can confirm something is SRU worthy, but if you think there is a patch that would make the transition less painful, and wouldn't cause transition breakage by application, it might be worth submitting it.
[12:37] <Giel> persia: the savegame format that's used by 1436 is broken I think, so converting it to a workable savegame format might not even be possible
[12:38] <persia> Giel: Hrm.  In that case it sounds like a bug that can't be fixed, so NEWS.Debian would be the way to go.  Pushing to backports soon, should help, as many gamers prefer to grab the latest version anyway.
[12:39] <Giel> also lately we have been working on moving the savegames to a new format, until that's finished we'll have some intermediate formats that will break for sure
[12:39] <Giel> as long as users are aware of that I think it shouldn't be much of a problem
[12:41] <persia> Giel: OK.  Best thing to do is to get the fixes into alioth SVN before 10th February or so in order to be sure they can be included for hardy.
[14:12] <kaaloo> Hi it seems that udev rules are missing in latest libsane for hardy
[14:14] <minghua> kaaloo: Please report a bug, thanks.
[14:15] <kaaloo> minghua:Ok will do
[14:18] <kaaloo> mmm, seems its been done on purpose : "Do not install the udev rules, since hal now provides dynamic ACLs on     device nodes. (See hardy-hardware-detection spec.)"
[16:14] <tuxice> hi
[16:14] <tuxice> how do i work on ubuntu drivers and themes on launchpad
[16:16] <tuxice> HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO
[16:17] <mjj29> tuxice: hi, I imagine everyone is busy atm
[16:17] <mjj29> it's only been two minutes
[16:17] <soren> tuxice: Also, your question doesn't make sense.
[16:17] <mjj29> (also, I'm afraid I can't help, I'm not an ubuntu dev, just a DD who occasionally needs to ask about ubuntu's versions of your packages)
[16:17] <mjj29> s/your/my/
[16:19] <tuxice> ok :) srry for messing up this thread
[16:51] <hunger> Riddell: Thanks for merging valgrind!
[16:52]  * hunger grumbles. aptitude keeps crashing here.
[18:01] <articpenguin3800> whats it mean when kubuntu and ubuntu share the ubuntu codebase but kubuntu dosent have automatic printer setup
[18:05] <Riddell> articpenguin3800: they have different desktop apps, one of those apps is system-config-printer which I'm currently porting to KDE
[18:06] <articpenguin3800> so that means its a gnome app that does that
[18:07] <Riddell> articpenguin3800: yes
[18:08] <articpenguin3800> k thanks
[20:01] <EvanCarroll> anyone happen to know where unicode annotations are? I need to file a bug report
[20:01] <EvanCarroll> would seem like libuninameslist0 but that isn't installed on my system
[20:40] <soren> While working on libvirt, I've come across a rather odd problem. The core of it is that on Fedora, the following works, but on Ubuntu, I get an -EINVAL: "brctl addbr foobr ; ifconfig foobr up". On Ubuntu, ifconfig up fails until the first interface has been added to the bridge. AFAICS, the kernel is the same and the differences in the bridge-utils packages are cosmetical..  Any guesses?
[20:42] <ScottK> soren: How are you on perl module dependencies and sbuild getting confused?  I've got a problem I'm trying to sort out and am looking for help.
[20:43] <soren> ScottK: Not sure. What's the issue?
[20:43] <ScottK> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11178540/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.mime-tools_5.425-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:43] <ScottK> libfile-temp-perl is already installed with insufficient version, so the newer one doesn't get pulled in and then later this is discovered and sbuild gives up.
[20:45] <ScottK> Builds fine in my local pbuilder, of course.
[20:45] <soren> ScottK: Looks quite odd.
[20:46] <elmo> ScottK: err
[20:46] <elmo> ScottK: I doubt that's actually installed in the chroot
[20:46] <elmo> scottk: are you sure it isn't provided by the perl package itself?
[20:47] <elmo> ScottK: sbuild and pbuilder handle build-depends on virtual packages very differently
[20:47] <ScottK> elmo: I think an older version is provided by perl-modules
[20:47] <ScottK> elmo: Any suggestions?
[20:50] <elmo> ScottK: if you really depend on that new a version of libfile-temp-perl?  get perl to stop providing the package...
[20:50] <ScottK> elmo: It does.
[20:51] <soren> elmo: but... It's a versioned dependency?
[20:51] <elmo> soren: so?  sbuild doesn't have the "smarts" to figure this out.  it doesn't in Debian either
[20:51] <soren> elmo: I see.
[20:51] <elmo> and how does the versioned dependency matter anyway?  it's not exactly a clearly defined area
[20:52] <elmo> perl-modules just says "I provde libfile-temp-perl", it doesn't mention versions explicitly
[20:52] <ScottK> Sbuild shouldn't think it's already satisfied the dependency when it hasn't
[20:52] <soren> elmo: Well, if it's a versioned dependency, it can't be fulfilled by a Provides: blah?
[20:52] <soren> elmo: ..or so I thought.
[20:52] <elmo> in fact it C/R/P libfile-temp-perl, which is a big hint to the packaging system of 'replace this package with me instead'
[20:53] <elmo> soren: I don't think that's defined/a given, esp. given the C/R/P
[20:53] <ScottK> Looks like I need to 'fix' perl-modules then.
[20:53] <soren> elmo: True. I didn't notice the C/R/P, though.
[20:55] <Kmos> why this happen ?
[20:55] <Kmos> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11121825/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.win32-loader_0.6.0%7Epre3_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz
[20:56] <Kmos> locales-all is a virtual package and isn't satisfied
[20:56] <soren> buid-depending on virtual packages is asking for trouble.
[20:57] <Kmos> there are a lot of ones like that on the FTBFS list
[20:57] <Kmos> depending on locales-all
[20:57] <elmo> err, locales-all doesn't even exist in hardy, AFAICS?
[20:58] <Kmos> hmm..
[20:58] <Kmos> it should build against libc6-dev?
[20:59] <Kmos> elmo: thanks for the tip =)
[21:12] <geser> ScottK: your perl build problem is bug #111800 filed by you :)
[21:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111800 in sbuild "sbuild attempts to satisfy versioned depencies and fails - causes packages to FTBFS" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111800
[21:13] <ScottK> geser: Thanks.  I thought that sounded familiar.
[21:13] <ScottK> It looks like there's a real problem between perl-modules and libfile-temp-perl that has to be sorted out.
[21:14] <geser> I should try to get infinity's attention to this bug
[21:14] <ScottK> Since perl-modules conflicts
[21:14] <ScottK> Please do.
[21:16] <ScottK> In the meantime, I'm going to figure out how to rip libfile-temp-perl out of perl-modules so we can use the newer one instead.
[21:42] <ScottK> Kmos: Duping a bug that is assigned to someone to work on (particularly someone like inifinity) may not have been the best thing to do.
[21:42] <ScottK> Bug #178536
[21:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178536 in sbuild "Preinstalled Build-Depends not properly detected (dup-of: 111800)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178536
[21:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111800 in sbuild "sbuild attempts to satisfy versioned depencies and fails - causes packages to FTBFS" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111800
[21:42] <Kmos> ups
[21:42] <Kmos> i should dupe the oldest one ?
[21:42] <ScottK> I think you should leave it alone.
[21:43] <ScottK> i.e. put it back the way you found it.
[21:43] <Kmos> ok
[21:43] <somerville32> Why would you ever duplicate a bug?
[21:44] <Kmos> ScottK: done
[21:44] <Fujitsu> Thankyou Kmos.
[21:44] <ScottK> somerville32: Dupe = mark as duplicate
[21:45] <Kmos> Fujitsu: no problem
[21:45] <Fujitsu> I didn't think I noticed it being duped - seems I looked at it a couple of minutes after it was duped, so I hadn't got a mail.
[21:45] <somerville32> Ahhh, that makes more sense now
[22:29] <slangasek> soren: build-depending on virtual packages is sometimes a very reasonable thing to do
[22:30] <slangasek> soren: the issue is that you don't want to do it if there's more than one real package providing it at a time; but some yokels like to change -dev package names like they change their underwear, and the virtual package name is the only thing persistent that you can build-depend on
[22:33] <ScottK> slangasek: Any suggestions on how to deal with build-deps on perl-modules that are both in 'perl-modules' (but in insufficent version) and have newer ones packaged separately?
[22:34] <Mithrandir> ScottK: add versioned build-deps?
[22:34] <ScottK> Mithrandir: sbuild doesn't understand those.
[22:34] <ScottK> I've got that already.
[22:34] <elmo> err, context
[22:34] <Mithrandir> ScottK: uh, yes it does.
[22:34] <elmo> sbuild doesn't understand them against virtual packages
[22:34] <elmo> scottk: I think you have to update the code in perl-modules
[22:35] <elmo> scottk: if you rip it out of perl-modules, you risk breaking stuff which depends on it being present in perl-modules (-> no explicit Depends)
[22:35] <ScottK> elmo: I hope you're wrong, but am afraid you aren't.
[22:35] <ScottK> My plan was to make perl-modules depend on whatever I ripped out.
[22:35] <elmo> oh, well that'd work too
[22:35] <ScottK> So it could still be relied on to be there.
[22:36] <ScottK> But could continue to be updated without having to update perl-modules every time.
[22:36] <elmo> the only other alternative (and I'd strongly unrecommend this) is changing the pkg name
[22:36] <ScottK> I'm not even thinking about going down that path.
[22:43] <slangasek> I don't understand why the flip-flop between shipping it in perl-modules and shipping it as a separate package, fwiw
[22:48] <soren> slangasek: True, but that's kind of a special case, IMO.
[22:48] <ScottK> Well I don't exactly either, but a newer version that some packages need is now packaged separately.
[22:53] <slangasek> soren: it's common enough that "build-depending on virtual packages is asking for trouble" is misleading. :)
[23:15] <IceKiller> any ubuntu dev'rs here wondering about this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=633068
[23:15] <IceKiller> srry if i'm not allowed to ask this here..
[23:17] <sladen> IceKiller: might be useful to give a quick one-line overview of what $this is
[23:17] <thom> IceKiller: try #ubuntu-x, more likely to be useful
[23:17] <IceKiller> the Intel driver + MESA 7.01 shipped with Gutsy is quite buggy with Intel GM965, there are new 'drivers' and was wondering if it was going to be included in the mainstream
[23:18] <IceKiller> http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes-7.0.2.html where it mentions among other things that: "Fixed an assortment of i965 driver bugs" && a new Intel driver, version 2.2.0: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/...l-2.2.0.tar.gz
[23:19] <sladen> IceKiller: okay, so re-paste your 1st, 3rd and 4th lines to #ubuntu-x as noted by thom
[23:19] <IceKiller> just did ;)
[23:20] <IceKiller> ty :p
[23:34] <ScottK2> Fujitsu: Looks to me like libfile-temp-perl and libtest-harness-perl are the only perl-modules affected.
[23:34]  * ScottK2 runs off again.


[07:35] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco!
[07:35] <jsgotangco> nixternal: hey dude how's it going
[07:35] <jsgotangco> (pretty busy as hell on my side)
[07:35] <nixternal> working on Knot 3 release notes
[07:35] <nixternal> same here
[07:36] <nixternal> i can't wait until next month...edgy will be out, and we will have that 1 month lull around here ;)
[07:36] <jsgotangco> i'm trying to get 1,000 machines for distribution to public schools get installed with edubuntu in a sane way
[07:37] <nixternal> you know what...i remember \sh in #kubuntu-devel working on a project that did a mass install rather quickly..i cannot remember his project, but if you skim through http://planet.kubuntu.de and check out some of his older posts, you might run into it
[07:37] <nixternal> they supposedly installed to a ton of machines in like an hour or something rediculous like that
[07:38] <jsgotangco> havent seen the actual hardware yet, but will start shipping tomorrow
[07:38] <jsgotangco> nixternal: i think you should go to UDS Mountain View
[07:39] <nixternal> when is it?
[07:39] <jsgotangco> nov. 5-10 i think
[07:39] <nixternal> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/227-This-weeks-action.html
[07:40] <nixternal> One of our milestones was it to install a couple of hundred servers in less then 10 minutes with FAI (Fully Automatic Installation).
[07:40] <nixternal> in california ey...i will have to look into that
[07:40] <jsgotangco> yes FAI is part of the solution
[07:40] <nixternal> i haven't messed with it yet..but i am going to try it out in a similar situation as you, only 50+ machines
[07:42] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:46] <LaserJock> I'd like to get edgy to work on 2+ machines ;-)
[07:54] <nixternal> they need to do a UDS Chicago already ;)
[07:54] <nixternal> it is kind of hard to travel right now...i am in 15 credit hours worth of crap ;)
[07:55] <LaserJock> are you working full time too?
[07:56] <nixternal> not really
[07:56] <nixternal> i have my clients, and they are all good...i only deal with the now when they have issues...so i put in about 15+ hours a week at most
[07:56] <nixternal> im living off the GI bill now
[07:57] <nixternal> my schooling is free from the Illinois Veterans Grant..so the GI Bill is cash in the pocket
[07:57] <nixternal> 6 credit hours though are easy
[07:57] <nixternal> the other 9 suck
[07:58] <nixternal> Ubuntu is my full time job...trying to work in deals locally, and doing my installs and support...every CD i hand out has my info..and I have been supporting those people who are switching
[07:58] <nixternal> and here with you guys of course ;)
[07:59] <LaserJock> mhm
[07:59] <jsgotangco> heh  nice model!
[07:59] <LaserJock> I think when I was an undergrad the lightest load I had was 18 credits
[08:00] <LaserJock> but I was trying to do a double major in 4 years and I didn't have a job
[08:00] <nixternal> that is nuts
[08:00] <LaserJock> all science too ;-)
[08:00] <nixternal> ya, im doing a double major as well, and one is a 2yr program to finish my MBA
[08:00] <nixternal> so i have 2 more semesters after this and I will be done with the MBA
[08:00] <LaserJock> very nice
[08:01] <nixternal> then I am going to finish this CS stuff, and maybe go for my final degree maybe
[08:01] <jsgotangco> i wish i had the current resources to do that stuff
[08:01] <LaserJock> I'm always thinking of degrees I'd like to get
[08:02] <nixternal> i gotta work on public speaking...i gave a speech yesterday to about 250 local state reps, and i shat myself..almost got stage fright
[08:02] <LaserJock> but I gotta get out of school sometime
[08:02] <LaserJock> 250 is a lot of people though
[08:02] <nixternal> see..i wish i would have done the schooling almost instead of the military..but then again..the military is what is putting me through school now
[08:02] <jsgotangco> that's nothing i spoke to 500+ people in korea
[08:02] <nixternal> i would be totally done, probably Dr. Rich by now ;)
[08:03] <LaserJock> mhm
[08:03] <nixternal> jsgotangco: i envy you guys for that
[08:03] <LaserJock> hopefully by Edgy+2 I'll be Dr. LaserJock
[08:03] <LaserJock> ;-)
[08:03] <jsgotangco> nixternal: just do it when you have the chance and it just becomes natural
[08:03] <nixternal> i am a horrible public speaker in front of people i don't know..now at the LUGs and Ubuntu meetings where we are about 50 deep I am ok
[08:03] <nixternal> that is sweet LaserJock, i am going for it one of these days as well..if time permits of course
[08:04] <nixternal> i may be 50 when it happens, but it will happen
[08:05] <LaserJock> I should have it by 25 which was my goal
[08:06] <LaserJock> but who knows, maybe I'll ditch the chemistry thing and work for Mark
[08:06] <nixternal> what days are people planning on arriving out there?
[08:06] <LaserJock> Mountain View?
[08:06] <nixternal> ya
[08:06] <LaserJock> I would guess the 4th
[08:07] <nixternal> the 4th and 5th are possibly my only open days..unless we have the Ubuntu Chicago Show that weekend
[08:07] <nixternal> damn..and I think we are
[08:08] <LaserJock> maybe you could get an exuse note signed by Mark
[08:08] <LaserJock> ;-)
[08:08] <nixternal> lol
[08:10] <nixternal> $223 round trip, arrive friday the 3rd at 9:35, and arrive back here in chicago on monday at 1pm...right before school...i know though..that once i was there..i wouldn't leave..adn i would be in toruble
[08:10] <nixternal> plus..i would stay with a girlfriend out there as well
[08:11] <nixternal> maybe i can get a sponsor..as i will be flat broke, because i will be arriving from mexico the week or so prior ;)
[08:11] <LaserJock> ditch Mexico, this is Ubuntu we're talking about :-)
[08:11] <jsgotangco> apply for sponsorship then
[08:12] <jsgotangco> i doubt you'll get denied sponsorship considering its in the same continent
[08:12] <jsgotangco> and LaserJock won't have his wallet picked for sure
[08:12] <nixternal> oh i could never ditch mexico..it is the Birthday Bash..i haven't missed one in 10 years now
[08:13] <nixternal> heh, i had my wallet picked once..in London with my x-wife and daughter as well..dude was crafty
[08:13] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: you know it
[08:13] <nixternal> i didn't feel a thing..at least in Atlanta the guy knocked me out
[08:13] <nixternal> and all he got was $1
[08:13] <nixternal> haha
[08:14] <LaserJock> yeah, well the guy in Paris got a lot more then that
[08:14] <nixternal> oooh
[08:14] <nixternal> that sucks
[08:14] <LaserJock> btw, jsgotangco what a fine picture of you and Matt and Aaron on fridge ;-)
[08:14] <nixternal> ya, the guy in london got over $1000 if i remember correctly
[08:14] <LaserJock> yikes
[08:15] <nixternal> buy guess what...my american express covered everything..just like in the commercials
[08:15] <jsgotangco> hmm what's the package i need to be able to play unencrypted dvds?
[08:15] <nixternal> ya..my x-wife used to live in london, and it was her idea to bring all that cash..as the people in london are way to nice to knock you out and steal your cash ;)
[08:15] <LaserJock> I lost my credit cards, driver's license, and a little over $100
[08:16] <nixternal> i should have known better..i have seen movies like snatch, and locked stock and 2 smoking barrels or whatever it was called ;)
[08:16] <nixternal> and trainspotter
[08:16] <nixternal> heh, i wonder if identity theft is huge over there?
[08:16] <nixternal> someone stole my identify a few years back..and i claimed all of his income on my taxes
[08:17] <nixternal> he made some good money too...about $50k
[08:17] <nixternal> so i figure i probably got an extra $500 or so back in taxes because of him
[08:17] <nixternal> hell..it happened to my brother and my mom as well
[08:19] <LaserJock> shesh
[08:19] <LaserJock> terrible
[08:20] <LaserJock> of course you won't find pickpocketers in the Bay area
[08:20] <LaserJock> they are subsidized by the government :-)
[08:20] <nixternal> i think that once i am done with all my schooling...i am probably heading to either Spain, Greece, or Greece ;)
[08:20] <nixternal> haha
[08:21] <nixternal> ya, i was just there last year for an interview at the lusterous googleplex
[08:21] <LaserJock> my grandpa saw one of the streat performers drive off in a BMW after he was done for the day
[08:22] <nixternal> oh wow...Chicago will outdo that one...Channel 5 news followed 5 "bums" from their posts near Union Station, to their million dollar homes in Naperville, Buffalo Grove, and other towns
[08:22] <LaserJock> heh
[08:22] <LaserJock> at least in Paris they did a decent show
[08:22] <nixternal> channel 5 news..if you are bogus they will get you
[08:22] <LaserJock> there was a lady on the train playing a flute that was nice
[08:23] <nixternal> well..i was in paris 3 years ago..and i went up against some people pissed off at the US
[08:23] <nixternal> the police wouldn't even help me
[08:23] <LaserJock> heh
[08:23] <nixternal> my x-wife and daughter got away and into a building..but since they speak greek fluently..they are safe pretty much
[08:23] <nixternal> not i
[08:23] <nixternal> i looked like a pumpkin after that one
[08:23] <nixternal> i even had women kickin' my butt
[08:24] <LaserJock> heh
[08:24] <LaserJock> poor guy
[08:24] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:24] <nixternal> you want to know what started it..i was wrong though
[08:24] <nixternal> this guy was taking a pic of the eiffel
[08:24] <jsgotangco> like when we were in paris, there were this group beating the crap out of a guy in the streets
[08:24] <nixternal> and i said it didn't have "sh!7" on the sears tower
[08:24] <jsgotangco> along the seine
[08:24] <nixternal> that is all it took
[08:24] <nixternal> haha, and sebas was the hero!
[08:25] <LaserJock> yeah, I didn't hear about that until after I don't think
[08:25] <LaserJock> poor guy
[08:25] <LaserJock> well, Paris was my first trip outside the US really
[08:26] <LaserJock> it was interesting for sure
[08:26] <nixternal> hehe
[08:26] <LaserJock> but I don't have a huge desire to go to Paris for a little while a least
[08:26] <nixternal> i don't like the big city of france, but the country side is so beautiful there..and the same with germany
[08:26] <nixternal> but i love spain and greece the most over there
[08:26] <nixternal> give me the med and im good
[08:27] <nixternal> france has the most awesome little villages...if you speak english you are screwed...i would just put money out an dpoint to things on the menu
[08:28] <nixternal> but if i am going to stay in the US..i have to move to either the Carolinas, Georgia, or Southern Cal..I can't stand the Chicago area any more..politics here are getting bad
[08:29] <nixternal> So, it is either those states, Mexico, Greece, or Spain when school is out
[08:29] <jsgotangco> nixternal: come to hong kong or manila one time
[08:30] <nixternal> i have been to the PI in the navy
[08:30] <nixternal> very briefly
[08:30] <nixternal> didn't get to see anything
[08:30] <nixternal> 1994 was about the time frame
[08:30] <jsgotangco> you've probably just went to the bars in clark or subic
[08:30] <jsgotangco> :D
[08:30] <nixternal> i didn't even hit a bar
[08:30] <nixternal> we went in, to meet the "lady prez" at the time..i forgot her name
[08:31] <nixternal> pick up stuff and leave
[08:31] <jsgotangco> aquino?
[08:31] <nixternal> i can't remember..she was very popular then as well
[08:31] <nixternal> i would remember though if i heard it
[08:31] <nixternal> 1994-1996 time frame maybe
[08:32] <nixternal> 1991-1993 was the Persian Gulf
[08:32] <nixternal> and it was after that
[08:35] <LaserJock> nixternal: move to Montana with the rest of us freaks ;-)
[08:35] <nixternal> im down with that
[08:36] <nixternal> i was just there a not even a year ago for my buddies wedding
[08:36] <LaserJock> I visit places, but Montana is still home for me
[08:37] <nixternal> montana has the greatest mountain ranges i have seen i think
[08:37] <LaserJock> but of course ;-)
[08:37] <nixternal> when you get upon a valley..my god it goes on for miles
[08:37] <nixternal> it is the most beautiful...in the early spring, and right before winter..actually right about now
[08:37] <nixternal> with the leaves turning
[08:37] <LaserJock> I grew up on a ranch
[08:38] <nixternal> that rocks
[08:38] <LaserJock> 5 mi x 30 mi
[08:38] <nixternal> jeesh
[08:38] <LaserJock> it was a whole valley
[08:38] <nixternal> branch, not a ranch ;)
[08:38] <nixternal> the dividians
[08:38] <nixternal> davidians
[08:38] <LaserJock> and ~ 10-15 people lived in that area
[08:56] <nixternal> hiya Burgundavia!
[08:56] <nixternal> how is the knot stuff going for you guys?
[08:56] <nixternal> i was loving this Ubuntu look here until they plastered the "Artwork Review" on the sweetness of a wally
[08:58] <Burgundavia> I hate those
[08:58] <Burgundavia> makes screenshots harder
[08:58] <Burgundavia> was out tonight, so our knot page will have to wait until then
[08:58] <nixternal> oh ya..i rememer you saying you were going to be afk
[08:59] <nixternal> well i have Ubuntu Edgy Knot 3 freeze running..so if you need something, let me know
[08:59] <Burgundavia> ok, why is dns failing
[08:59] <nixternal> hmm..i should create one in vmware
[09:16] <nixternal> g'nite!
[02:06] <Riddell> Burgwork: when is the UWN meeting?
[03:26] <Riddell> rob: could you give me that funky more then 20 channel privilage?
[06:46] <Burgwork> Riddell, tonight
[06:46] <Riddell> Burgwork: 02:00UTC?
[06:47] <Burgwork> 6pm PTD which is 1am UTC
[06:47] <Riddell> ok
[06:47] <lloydinho> Burgwork, did you see the mail I sent about finishing up before doc freeze?
[06:47] <Burgwork> lloydinho, when did you send it?
[06:47] <lloydinho> A few hours ago to the doc list.
[06:48] <lloydinho> uh... around 10 UTC
[06:48] <Burgwork> I have not yet read my email
[06:49] <lloydinho> ah.. okay. It's just kind of a "somebody with commit rights and clue - help me!" kind of mail.
[06:49] <lloydinho> Let me know if you can help me out.
[06:49] <nixternal> i already committed it
[07:40] <lloydinho> nixternal, awesome.
[07:41] <lloydinho> I guess I really should start subscribing to the doc-commits list as well.
[07:41] <nixternal> ;)
[07:41] <nixternal> it isn't the busiest, but it lets you know to "svn up"
[07:42] <lloydinho> which is what I just did. :-)
[07:43] <lloydinho> nixternal, would you know anything about testing the .omf files I changed for the front page?
[07:45] <nixternal> can't say that i do....but i am going to look into after class tonight...it is something i want to learn ;)
[07:46] <lloydinho> cool. I also attached two patches to the "Finishing the Ubuntu-docs for Edgy" mail I sent out.
[07:46] <lloydinho> One for the .OMF files (all except the Switching guide which I know nothing of) and one for the ADSL USB modems section of the Desktop guide.
[07:47] <lloydinho> Hope you'll have time to look at them as well. :-)
[07:51] <LaserJock> lloydinho: sorry I've been worthless on this contributing doc :(
[07:52] <lloydinho> LaserJock, hey - no worries. You've been all kinds of busy with other stuff.
[07:53] <lloydinho> And I've had plenty of other people to help me with the committing and all that.
[07:54] <lloydinho> BTW. LaserJock : you wouldn't happen to know the answers to the questions I asked in that email I sent out to the list?
[07:55] <LaserJock> hang on let me check, I've got a bit of an email backlog from -doc ;-)
[07:55] <lloydinho> heh.
[07:57] <LaserJock> lloydinho: argg, what was the title of the email, you are  sending too many ;-)
[07:58] <lloydinho> heh. From today: "Finishing the Ubuntu-docs for Edgy"
[07:59] <lloydinho> LaserJock, with mdke on holiday, I promised to have a look at getting everything ready for packaging, so that's the reason for all the email.
[07:59] <LaserJock> ah
[08:01] <LaserJock> we seriously need more time for docs
[08:05] <lloydinho> well, it seems that this has been a very lazy cycle. We'll need to put in a serious effort for the Furious Fruitfly if we'll go through reorganizing the docs from books to context-based articles.
[08:06] <Burgwork> lloydinho, furious fruitfly?
[08:06] <lloydinho> heh. Or Flashy Ferret or whatever.
[08:07] <lloydinho> It's more fun than saying edgy +1 and it creates RUMOURS. ;-)
[08:19] <trappist> Flamboyant Flamingo would be fabulous
[08:21] <LaserJock> Fabulous Flamboyant Flamingo
[09:26] <lloydinho> LaserJock, did you get around to taking a look at the mail?
[09:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:28] <LaserJock> the omf question?
[09:28] <lloydinho> right.
[09:29] <LaserJock> I just really don't know :/
[09:30] <LaserJock> mdke has always handled the omf stuff
[09:30] <lloydinho> hmmmmm..
[09:30] <lloydinho> not ideal.
[09:31] <LaserJock> when is mdke going to be back?
[09:32] <lloydinho> not for another week or so.
[09:32] <LaserJock> well, this sucks
[09:32] <LaserJock> we are not ready for doc freeze at all
[09:32] <LaserJock> and mdke is gone
[09:32] <lloydinho> I'll try heading over to the GIMPNet and see if any of the Yelp guys can help me out.
[09:33] <lloydinho> LaserJock, about the patches I sent out with the mail - can you have look at them and commit them if they look good to you?
[09:34] <LaserJock> k
 It's more fun than saying edgy +1 and it creates RUMOURS. ;-)
[09:55] <nixternal> LOL!!!
[09:55] <lloydinho> :-)
[09:56] <nixternal> is anyone going to review the ADSL and OMF for the Ubuntu side of things?
[09:56] <nixternal> dude..im clueless sometimes
[09:56] <nixternal> don't worry about the ADSL stuff..that i can handle ;)
[09:57] <nixternal> the .omf though, i have no stinkin' clue..that is a new one for me
[09:58] <lloydinho> nixternal, I'm talking to the guys in the GNOME docs section and they'll hopefully walk me through it.
[09:59] <nixternal> cool
[10:22] <purple> hi all
[10:23] <purple> cansomebody paste mi a link to repository of latest kde 3.5.4 to install it on dapper?
[10:28] <lloydinho> hi purple, you might try the #kubuntu channel for kubuntu support. :-)
[10:28] <purple> i runnung UBUNTU
[10:28] <purple> and want to install KDE enviroment
[10:29] <LaserJock> purple: then install kubuntu-desktop
[10:30] <purple> but it installs only 3.5.2
[10:30] <purple> i want latest
[10:33] <LaserJock> well ...
[10:33] <LaserJock> edgy has kde 3.5.4
[10:34] <purple> i installed it few days ago on 6.06.1 but i lost link
[10:39] <rob> Riddell: done