[00:29] <Awsoonn> wiki borked?
[00:30] <james_w> it's having a few upgrade related hiccups it seems
[02:00] <anakron> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/255385  >> Must be in wishlist!
[02:02] <anakron> HI everyone
[02:34] <chuckf> I'm looking to create a bogus bug report on Launchpad for this weekend's bug jam. Is there a good package/project to associate this with so I don't upset any devs?
[02:35] <RAOF> chuckf: staging.launchpad.net
[02:36] <RAOF> chuckf: It's a playground instance of launchpad - you can do whatever you want to it, no one will care.
[02:38] <chuckf> brilliant! thanks!
[02:58] <mrooney> RAOF: thanks for that tip, I didn't know about staging either
[03:03] <anakron> Someone Know an hour when Dholbach appears?
[03:04] <RAOF> Somewhere between 2pm & 4pm GMT+10
[03:04] <RAOF> Convert into local time as appropriate.
[03:07] <anakron> :S
[03:08] <anakron> ok
[03:08] <anakron> mm here is Gmt -4
[03:10] <camden> hey, i was in here the the other night and someone was telling me about launchpad
[03:10] <camden> they said you can find "bite size" bugs there
[03:10] <camden> as a way to get my feet wet
[03:10] <camden> how do you search by that
[03:11] <Pici> !bitesize
[03:11] <Pici> tada
[03:12] <anakron> thanks for the Tip!
[03:20] <camden> what's cherry pick
[03:22] <camden> there's a tag called "cherry pick"
[03:22] <camden> sorry... "cherry-pick"
[03:24] <nhandler> camden: From https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags: "A kernel bug that has a git commit SHA from the upstream kernel "
[03:26] <AlmightyCthulhu> when can the fix for bug 251338 be included in Ubuntu?
[03:27] <mrooney> also don't forget about string-fix tag
[03:27] <mrooney> that's even easier!
[03:27] <AlmightyCthulhu> it's a very simple patch that has virtually no risks
[03:27] <AlmightyCthulhu> and will fix millions of malfunctioning motherboards
[03:28] <nhandler> camden: Bugs tagged with the desktop-file tag are also usually very easy to fix
[03:30] <james_w> AlmightyCthulhu: this probably isn't the best channel to get that that sort of information
[03:30] <mrooney> AlmightyCthulhu: I don't actually see a patch attached to that
[03:30] <james_w> mrooney: it's in the linked bg
[03:30] <mrooney> james_w: would QA be better do you think?
[03:30] <AlmightyCthulhu> morooney: Patch is in Fedora Rawhide
[03:30] <AlmightyCthulhu> and sent upstream
[03:30] <james_w> -kernel
[03:30] <AlmightyCthulhu> should be easy to pull and apply
[03:31] <AlmightyCthulhu> I'm beginning to side with Matthew Garrett over this, since Foxconn has been the only vendor that's stepped up to the plate
[03:31] <AlmightyCthulhu> out of 4-5 vendors with multiple boards affected
[03:32] <AlmightyCthulhu> the patch is a three liner that has no real potential to screw anything up
[03:33] <james_w> AlmightyCthulhu: yes, you've said
[03:33] <AlmightyCthulhu> I see it being more practical than asking every motherboard vendor that uses AMI BIOS to pull their head out and get some fresh air
[03:33] <james_w> as I said, this isn't appropriate channel for dealing with this now
[03:34] <camden> what is "mentoring offered" exactly?
[03:35] <nhandler> camden: It means someone has offered to help get the bug patched
[03:35] <AlmightyCthulhu> I'm really starting to be amazed that anything manages to work at all, with "standards" like the PC has
[03:35]  * AlmightyCthulhu vomits
[03:36] <mrooney> haha
[03:36] <james_w> hey mrooney
[03:37] <james_w> I owe you one advocation, I can do it now
[03:37] <camden> nhandler: please explain.. help in what way?
[03:37] <james_w> mrooney: what's the page again please?
[03:37] <camden> i guess i was thinking "mentor" means... they could do it themselves but they are willing to walk someone else through it instead to teach them
[03:37] <james_w> camden: that's exactly it
[03:38] <james_w> "walk them through it" might be a bit strong, but they are willing to give pointers and assist if they get stuck
[03:38] <camden> ok
[03:38] <nhandler> When I offer to mentor someone, I usually work with them through irc/email to help them get a patch prepared. But I don't do it for them.
[03:39] <camden> another question... sometimes the bug is labeled "confirmed" but from the discussion, it seems like it's fixed already
[03:39] <camden> what's up with that
[03:39] <camden> ?
[03:39] <camden> wrong status?
[03:39] <nhandler> Do you have a link to the bug you are looking at?
[03:41] <camden> nhandler: let me find it again...
[03:44] <camden> nhandler: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exaile/+bug/250213
[03:44] <camden> * Fixed grammatical error in description (LP: #250213)
[03:44] <camden> seems fixed ?
[03:45]  * nhandler is looking
[03:45] <nhandler> It was set to confirmed when u-u-s was subsribed
[03:45] <nhandler> You should read through this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue
[03:49] <james_w> mrooney: I found it and added my comments, good luck.
[03:50] <james_w> mrooney: I think there are plans afoot to at least reduce the number of places a proxy must be configured, if not reduce it to one, so you may be one step closer to your dream in intrepid/intrepid+1
[03:51] <mrooney> james_w: double thanks :)
[03:51] <AlmightyCthulhu> bug 251338 ...I attached Matthew Garrett's patch and credited it to him
[03:51] <AlmightyCthulhu> hoping this can expedite things?
[03:52] <james_w> AlmightyCthulhu: again, this isn't the channel
[03:53] <james_w> you have mentioned the report in the correct channel, so you should now wait until your request is considered
[03:53] <AlmightyCthulhu> is there a lunch or something over there?
[03:54] <mrooney> I don't even know what that means!
[03:54] <james_w> not everyone is in the same timezone as you
[03:54] <james_w> not everyone is watching IRC at all times
[03:54] <james_w> please be patient
[03:56] <mrooney> AlmightyCthulhu: it is Triaged, the best state you could hope for in an open bug, and has an Importance of High
[03:56] <mrooney> so that is promising
[03:56] <anakron> someone know why my 5-a-day applet dont show if it sent or no bugs anymore
[03:56] <AlmightyCthulhu> well, I'm surprised nobody ever said anything before
[03:57] <AlmightyCthulhu> there's only how many millions of these boards out there?
[03:57] <james_w> anakron: does it if you mouse over the icon?
[03:57] <mrooney> AlmightyCthulhu: boards?
[03:57] <AlmightyCthulhu> it just blows the mind that so many people have the issue but nobody has reported it, not once
[03:58] <mrooney> AlmightyCthulhu: are you sure it hasn't been? if not, it may not be as widespread as you think
[03:58] <anakron> The last times the applet show a notification that says that a bug was successfulluy sent
[03:58] <anakron> but now
[03:58] <anakron> i cant know if it was send right or not
[03:58] <nhandler> anakron: Try moving your mouse over the applet
[03:59] <AlmightyCthulhu> mrooney: I think most people either learn to live with it, avoid that feature, or say "Linux sucks" and leave
[03:59] <james_w> nhandler: do you see that too?
[03:59] <AlmightyCthulhu> would be my guess anyway
[03:59] <nhandler> Yeah james_w. I've had this issue since they changed the icon
[03:59] <anakron> but it shows that it is sending the last applet
[04:00] <AlmightyCthulhu> but the affected BIOS has been floating around for over a year on motherboards from 5 vendors
[04:00] <anakron> but can still the same message all the day
[04:00] <AlmightyCthulhu> I know the problem must be encountered regularly
[04:00] <anakron> im now in 2.6.26-5 kernel
[04:00] <anakron> and i can see it since 1 kernel ago
[04:01] <AlmightyCthulhu> that would be like saying the engine knocks on all 2007 model cars, and nobody has complained
[04:01] <AlmightyCthulhu> it makes no sense
[04:01] <anakron> the notification message dont appear
[04:02] <AlmightyCthulhu> has the no keyboard or mouse bug been fixed yet?
[04:02] <anakron> Im waiting dholbach to report it to him, but he will log out so late for me
[04:02] <anakron> another thing
[04:03] <anakron> im using hardy repositories for five-a-day package
[04:03] <anakron> Is there a intrepid version?
[04:03] <nhandler> There is an intrepid version now anakron
[04:04] <anakron> in which repos?
[04:04] <nhandler> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/5-a-day/ubuntu intrepid main
[04:04] <anakron> :O thanks a lot
[04:15] <anakron> nhandler
[04:15] <Awsoonn> bdmurray: ping
[04:15] <anakron> in the five-a-day package the error still?
[04:15] <anakron> im talking to him, but he is off
[04:16] <Awsoonn> anakron: I tried to get someone started with 5-a-day a bit ago and failed hard, is there a blocker atm?
[04:16] <Awsoonn> unreladed to the ping btw
[04:17] <anakron> Sorry, English is not my Native Language so Im not so good understanding
[04:17] <anakron> but
[04:18] <anakron> Which was the fail?
[04:18] <Awsoonn> oh? what's your native Language?
[04:18] <anakron> Spanish
[04:18] <anakron> IM Chilean
[04:18] <Awsoonn> :p not gonna even try....
[04:18] <anakron> but continue, i can keep a fast conversation
[04:19] <Awsoonn> well I just couldn't get the bzr branch to publish
[04:19] <Awsoonn> so I thought I had made some mistake
[04:19] <anakron> mmm
[04:19] <anakron> but you dont have a bzr branch in your computer
[04:20] <anakron> but when you tried to do update-signature you get an error?
[04:20] <Awsoonn> 5-a-day --add ### ### ### failed
[04:21] <anakron> why you do in terminal?
[04:21] <anakron> You can do it with LP
[04:21] <anakron> is too easy to do
[04:21] <Awsoonn> do tell
[04:21] <anakron> ¿?
[04:21] <Awsoonn> How do I use 5-a-day in LP?
[04:22] <anakron> a ok
[04:22] <anakron> If you want to upload you signature you must go to this url
[04:23] <anakron> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair
[04:24] <Awsoonn> did that
[04:24] <anakron> there you can get a ssh key and must give it at https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editsshkeys
[04:24] <anakron> ok
[04:24] <anakron> you upload it?
[04:24] <Awsoonn> yup
[04:25] <Awsoonn> oh, if you're gonna tell me to use the applet, It didn't work btw
[04:25] <anakron> mm
[04:25] <anakron> xD
[04:26] <anakron> dont worry
[04:26] <anakron> can you update your signature?
[04:26] <anakron> update-signature
[04:26] <Awsoonn> I don't have her password or computer, so I don't know
[04:26] <anakron> ok
[04:26] <anakron> Hey nhandler!
[04:27] <anakron> the problem was solved, 5-a-day applet for intrepid looks fine
[04:27] <anakron> thanks
[04:27] <Awsoonn> what issue did yau have?
[04:27] <anakron> 5-a-day applet didnt show any notification
[04:27] <anakron> if a package was send or not
[04:28] <Awsoonn> I see
[04:30] <mrooney> james_w: by the way, regarding bug 253068, when you said "launchpad_username = <lp-id>" are the braces literal, as in do I need them?
[04:30] <mrooney> I tried without them and it didn't work, and I don't have access to that machine now so I thought I'd ask
[04:31] <james_w> mrooney: no, that was to imply variable substitution
[04:31] <mrooney> james_w: okay, that's what I thought. I wonder what I did wrong
[04:31] <mrooney> would it require a logout/login after changing the .conf?
[04:32] <james_w> shouldn't do no
[04:32] <james_w> if you are trying something like "bzr push" in an existing branch then it won't work, as it will have saved the old URL
[04:32] <mrooney> right I did the commits after I changed the conf
[04:33] <james_w> so, what's not working right?
[04:34] <james_w> is it the username/email in "bzr log" that are the problem?
[04:36] <mrooney> james_w: nope, that is "right", unless the username part should be my launchpad login
[04:36] <james_w> no, they are separate
[04:36] <mrooney> okay, that's what I thought
[04:37] <mrooney> if you peek at https://code.launchpad.net/~michael/wxbanker/trunk, r37 is "correct" while the others are not
[04:38] <james_w> ah, ok
[04:38] <james_w> that's nothing to do with launchpad-login I don't think
[04:38] <james_w> that takes the email address of the commit and finds the LP user with that email address in it's database, and then links them
[04:39] <james_w> launchpad@rowk isn't one of your addresses, and so isn't linke
[04:39] <mrooney> oh my, I might have to blush
[04:39] <mrooney> I just saw that, too
[04:39] <mrooney> maybe I just forgot the .com!
[04:39] <james_w> if you want to connect them then "bzr whoami Mike Rooney<EMAIL_ADDRESS>should make future revisions work
[04:40] <mrooney> yeah that is what I used, I guess I just forgot the .com somehow, I'll check tomorow
[04:40] <mrooney> *tomorrow
[04:40] <mrooney> sorry for taking your time if that is all it was :)
[04:40] <james_w> no problem
[04:41] <mrooney> but maybe inadvertently I found something to improve upon in bzr with launchpad-login anyway :)
[04:41] <anakron> Good night, evening, morning...good [ramdom ]
[04:42] <anakron> nice talk with you guys! see you soon
[04:42] <mrooney> bye anakron!
[04:46] <Awsoonn> james_w: congrats on becoming a Universe Contributer!
[04:48] <james_w> thanks Awsoonn
[04:55] <anakron> Brian murray is on?
[04:57] <sbeattie> bdmurray appears to be away.
[04:57] <anakron> mmm yeah it seems
[04:57] <anakron> i hope he will read the messages that i wrote
[04:57] <anakron> bye
[05:04] <Awsoonn> anyone with more wiki knowlage to confirm a bug? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags
[05:04] <Awsoonn> I think I broke it
[05:04] <Awsoonn> xD
[05:06] <bdmurray> I confirm its broken
[05:06] <Awsoonn> there you are~ :)
[05:06] <Awsoonn> I don't remember why I was looking for you now though....
[05:07] <Awsoonn> I think I will let you submit the bug report on that thig in any case, I can't really do anything about it, the old version apears borked now as well :/
[05:09] <bdmurray> seriously? reverting doesn't help?
[05:10] <anakron> Brian!
[05:10] <anakron> did you read the message that i wrote?
[05:11] <bdmurray> I'm not clear what interview you are referring too
[05:11] <Awsoonn> seriously~
[05:12] <Awsoonn> when reverting, it apears to regenerate the html and during that generation x-plodes. Maybe I'm totaly off though
[05:13] <Awsoonn> err
[05:13] <Awsoonn> you fixed it? I assume?
[05:13] <bdmurray> Well, I commented it out.  I wouldn't call that fixing
[05:14] <Awsoonn> ^^ dependso on who you work for I suppose
[05:14] <bdmurray> I imagine the include syntax change with this revision of moinmoin
[05:38] <Awsoonn> how can I set a wiki page to redirect to another page
[05:40] <Awsoonn> got it, thanks
[06:13] <dholbach> good morning
[06:15]  * greg-g waves
[06:17] <technofreak|hurt> dholbach, morning :)
[06:18] <dholbach> hi greg-g, hi technofreak|hurt
[06:18] <anakron> good [random]
[08:33] <mattik> Hello, In intrepid I got this error in KDE starting: The file or folder /home/mattik/Desktop/ does not exist.
[08:33] <tuxmaniac> I am unsure with respect to bug 95714 about its validity. I think most gnome applications grab focus on start up. So is gedit. Any comments would be welcomed
[08:34] <tuxmaniac> and also this bug has been reported in feisty.
[08:36] <mattik> Is this some error what is fixed kde 4.2 then?
[08:39] <mattik> Or is kde 4.2 coming intrepid?
[08:40] <mattik> tuxmaniac: maybe lunch
[08:41] <tuxmaniac> nah. various time zone. One sleeping, one lunch, one just about to get up.. etc
[11:44] <dholbach> Awsoonn: did you hear back from your audiophile friend about the screencast?
[11:44] <dholbach> Awsoonn: if not, we can just take the one you did and upload it
[11:49] <dholbach> (in time for GBJ)
[12:56] <anakron> Hi all
[13:06] <jwendell> After install intrepid, my keyboard is messed, some keys don't work, for instance: arrow keys, home, end, page up, page down
[13:06] <jwendell> is that a known bug
[13:07] <jwendell> (this is a question, question mark doesn't work)
[13:07] <Pici> yes.
[13:07] <jwendell> Pici, do you have the number
[13:07] <Pici> jwendell: looking
[13:07] <jwendell> thanks
[13:07] <Pici> bug 255008
[13:43] <ssam> is there any need to keep this open https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-bad0.10/+bug/11871
[13:44] <ssam> it seems to only effect you if you set your totem to use SDL output
[13:44] <ssam> which is not default, and there may be no reason for anyone to want to do that
[13:45] <james_w> ssam: yes, if it's still a bug
[13:45] <james_w> it doesn't really matter if it is default or not
[13:45] <james_w> though being default would make it more important
[13:46] <ssam> you can't even set it to SDL through the gui
[14:15] <Awsoonn> dholbach: yea, its ready http://sushi.homelinux.com/package.avi
[14:16] <pedro_> hey Awsoonn, good video ;-)
[14:16] <Awsoonn> thanks ^_^
[14:17] <Awsoonn> I hope it helps someone at least~
[14:19] <techno_freak> Awsoonn, great, thanks for that :)
[14:19] <pedro_> I'm sure it's going to help quite a lot
[14:20]  * pedro_ is going to use it for the GBJ
[14:21] <dholbach> Awsoonn: I need to run some errands, but I'll put it up on videos.u.c and youtube later on
[14:21] <dholbach> Awsoonn: thanks a lot for that!
[14:22] <dholbach> :)
[14:22] <tuxmaniac> Awsoonn: nice one
[14:27] <Awsoonn> it's super easy to do, so if there are any other topics you want covered, just stick them on the wiki.
[14:30] <techno_freak> Awsoonn, linking upstream bugs ;)
[14:30] <tuxmaniac> Awsoonn: may be how to create a video? ;-) will help a ot more peope to contribute?
[14:31] <tuxmaniac> darn. all my "l"s are going for a toss today
[14:34] <Awsoonn> tuxmaniac: I was thinking about doing that too.
[14:38] <tuxmaniac> has anyone here used wxmaxima?
[14:42] <snap-l> I've used maxima
[14:43] <snap-l> wxmaxima looks cool.
[14:54] <tuxmaniac> snap-l: where do you find the "curves" menu?
[14:55] <snap-l> tuxmaniac: For plotting?
[14:55] <snap-l> I'm a casual user of Maxima at best.
[14:55] <tuxmaniac> I am triaging a bug 185742.
[14:56] <tuxmaniac> snap-l: reported in gutsy. he mentions about "Curves" menu which I cant find at all. And all plot works and doesnt crash in hardy
[14:57] <snap-l> You need more information
[14:57] <snap-l> I'm using Feisty, and I'm not seeing any issues.
[14:58] <quadrispro> bug #251666
[15:00] <tuxmaniac> snap-l: ok thanks
[15:12] <tuxmaniac> any idea why I get this error for 5-a-day "Bugs have been added, but not committed yet (already committed 46 minutes ago)." though I havent added that bug number before
[15:14] <dholbach> Awsoonn: this one is REALLY good
[15:14] <dholbach> good work!
[15:18] <snap-l> tuxmaniac: You'll need to wait to commit again. You can force it if you need, but I'd wait until you're through your 5-a-day to force it.
[15:18] <tuxmaniac> snap-l: aah ok. One more to go
[15:18] <tuxmaniac> I will force it after that
[15:18] <tuxmaniac> :)
[15:18] <snap-l> Otheriwse the server has to cope with 5 requests rather than 2
[15:22] <dholbach> Awsoonn, heno, jcastro: http://videos.ubuntu.com/qa
[15:22] <dholbach> oops
[15:22] <dholbach> wanted to upload the .ogg
[15:22] <dholbach> hang on
[15:37] <dholbach> it's up now :)
[16:09] <dholbach> Awsoonn: you could have told people about Bugs/FindRightPackage too :)
[16:11] <dholbach> added it to that wiki page and to the RunningBugJam material section
[16:26] <bdmurray> dholbach: ping
[16:38] <dholbach> bdmurray: pong
[16:38] <bdmurray> Should I just link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam/BugLists from the main GBJ page?
[16:39] <dholbach> bdmurray: sounds good
[16:39] <dholbach> bdmurray: I linked the findrightpackage page from a couple of places and linked Awsoonn's video too
[16:39] <dholbach> the Material section on RunningBugJam is growing and growing
[16:39] <dholbach> I LIKE THAT
[16:44] <krz22> Hi! I'd like to have some advice on bug reporting, please... There's a bug in 'viking' package in Hardy (0.9.3-2build1) , that has been fixed in debian-testing version (<IP_ADDRESS>80614-1). Should I fill an official bug report on launchpad https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/viking/+bugs ? (currently, there are no bugs there...)
[16:51] <afflux> krz22: only if you think it's important enough to get this fixed in hardy. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[16:51] <afflux> krz22: (<IP_ADDRESS>80614-1 is in intrepid)
[16:54] <krz22> afflux: thanks! according to this policy -- no, it's not so important. thanks again.
[16:54] <afflux> you're welcome
[17:25] <dholbach> bdmurray: did you link the bug status graphs from a couple of pages?
[17:27]  * bdmurray makes a list
[17:27] <dholbach> added it to the knowledgebase
[17:32] <dholbach> bdmurray: good: http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=156 ? :-)
[17:39] <bdmurray> dholbach: ;)
[17:40] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: looks like the Bluetooth Test page needs a complete cleanup
[17:40] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: slytherin might be in a much better position to update it than I am
[17:43] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: looks like the last person to have edited is me :-) exactly a year back
[17:43] <dholbach> :)
[17:43] <dholbach> ok... I'm going to call it a day now
[17:43] <dholbach> I'll see you tomorrow!
[18:03] <rampageoberon> Hi, I need some help with apport. Its in response to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/229688
[18:06] <chrisccoulson> hi rampageoberon. it was me who closed your bug report
[18:07] <chrisccoulson> are you still having issues enabling Apport?
[18:07] <rampageoberon> Hi chrisccoulson
[18:07] <android6011> is there a bug report for boot hanging at ACPI: EC: GPE Storm Detected, Disabling EC GPE until the power button is pressed?
[18:07] <rampageoberon> Well, I enabled it like you said, but i can't get it to do a report
[18:08] <rampageoberon> chrisccoulson: the /etc/default/apport file now has enabled=1
[18:08] <chrisccoulson> after it is enabled, could you have a look at the output of "cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern"
[18:08] <chrisccoulson> it should look something like "|/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c"
[18:08] <chrisccoulson> if it says "core", then apport is not catching the seg fault
[18:08] <rampageoberon> chrisccoulson: yes thats correct
[18:09] <rampageoberon> It doesn't say core
[18:09] <chrisccoulson> does it match the pattern i quoted above?
[18:09] <rampageoberon> Yes it does
[18:10] <chrisccoulson> and you're definately sure that the application crashes with a segmentation fault? if it does, then Apport will catch that. you say you're running the application as a different user. This means that the crash report in /var/crash will belong to the other user, and your normal user probably won't be able to read it
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> what does "ls -l /var/crash" say?
[18:11] <rampageoberon> its empty
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> could you please describe in the bug report exactly the sequence of commands you use to run the application and cause it to crash
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> then i can have a go at my end
[18:13] <rampageoberon> ok, i use the user rampage (while logged in user is jilan)
[18:14] <rampageoberon> su rampage <--- to change my user (I grant rampage privilages by "xhost +si:localuser:rampage")
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> thanks. could you please add that to the bug report. i'll try to repeat your crash later tonight if i get a chance then
[18:15] <rampageoberon> I then run linuxdcpp from the terminal (this segmentation fault happens even if I run vlc but only when a blanc disc is in the drive)
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> you can also re-open the bug report by setting the status back to "New" again, by clicking on the current status and selecting "New" from the drop-down list
[18:16] <rampageoberon> chrisccoulson: I emailed you with a paste of the commands (i'll paste them on the bug too as i just checked and that info has not been posted)
[18:16] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[18:16] <rampageoberon> Okay, I'll do so. Thank you very much for the help
[18:16] <chrisccoulson> no problem!
[18:20] <rampageoberon> Okay, i've added a paste of the terminal output to the initial bug report and set it as new again (this has the command sequence too)
[18:21] <chrisccoulson> thanks. i'll take a look later
[18:22] <rampageoberon> Okay
[18:25] <mcas> hello
[18:25] <chrisccoulson> hello mcas
[18:25] <mcas> hello chrisccoulson
[18:29] <chrisccoulson> just looking at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/154482. grub-disk is a dummy package that depends on grub-rescue-pc in hardy. there appears to be no grub-rescue-pc packaged for gutsy, as reported in this report. does anyone know if that is actually intentional or a real bug? if it is a real bug, is it actually likely to be something that would be fixed for gutsy now?
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> afaict, it breaks upgrades from feisty to gutsy actually
[18:57] <greg-g> why do I get the [NEW] "you have been subscribed to a new report" AFTER I get bug updates from Pedro triaging it??
[19:09] <bdmurray> greg-g: because it is "NEW" to you
[19:10] <bdmurray> greg-g: I think there is an lp bug about it
[19:10] <greg-g> bdmurray: yeah, but it isn't NEW to me anymore right?  I mean, I am subscribed to evince bugs yet, due to pedro's speed (I assume), I actually get the emails of his work on the bugs before I get the notification about the new bugs in the first place.
[19:10] <greg-g> oh, I thought I wasn't clear, that is why I explained more, I think you understood me :)
[19:11] <bdmurray> hmm, I've seen an e-mail with "NEW" in the subject later on the bug's lifecycle when I am subscribed to it
[19:15] <greg-g> yeah, that's it.
[21:25] <nellery> wow, 2 critical bugs in a day
[21:31] <bdmurray> nellery: hmm?
[21:32] <nellery> bdmurray, Bug 255833 and Bug 255819
[21:32] <pheeror> the second bug is especially nice
[21:34] <bdmurray> that's exciting
[22:19] <Odd-rationale> hello! i'm trying to find out whether my 5-a-day is working properly. here's the output of "5-a-day --add ######": http://pastebin.com/m78de5777
[22:21] <nellery> Odd-rationale, looks right
[22:31] <Odd-rationale> nellery: thanks
[22:35] <nellery> no problem :)
[22:35] <bdmurray> Odd-rationale: Hi, I think you assigned a bug to debian-installer recently
[22:35] <bdmurray> Odd-rationale: It was about the graphical installer though, from what I gathered, so I flipped it to ubiquity
[22:37] <Odd-rationale> bdmurray: k, thanks. what # was that?
[22:39] <bdmurray> Odd-rationale: looks like bug 255653
[22:40] <bdmurray> Its not obvious but there were a few give aways
[22:53] <Odd-rationale> bdmurray: k thanks. (i'm having some horrible lag ATM...)
[22:56] <Odd-rationale> just getting ready for the Bug Jam ;)
[23:21] <nellery> Bingo!
[23:22] <nellery> a day early :(
[23:22] <LaserJock> you got one already?
[23:22] <nellery> yup
[23:22] <nellery> most common seem to be Binary and Intrepid
[23:30] <Odd-rationale> does the GBJ begin 00:00:00 UTC ? ;)
[23:36] <nellery> Odd-rationale, I think it's pretty much Aug 8-10 in all timezones
[23:44] <Odd-rationale> are the 5-a-day stats live?
[23:45] <Odd-rationale> or updated every so often?
[23:47] <nellery> Odd-rationale, every so often
[23:47] <nellery> but soon enough
[23:48] <LaserJock> isn't it like hourly
[23:48] <nellery> something like that
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> i was wondering because. although i show up... my team doesn't
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> i'll wait and see...
[23:51] <nellery> Odd-rationale, doesn't look like it went through
[23:51] <nellery> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~odd-rationale/5-a-day-data/main/annotate/7?file_id=data-20080807205648-yqi3cm9cqf7giln7-1
[23:51] <nellery> you would see the tag there, next to the bug number
[23:52] <nellery> if my memory is correct...
[23:54] <Odd-rationale> the team tag you mean?
[23:54] <LaserJock> perhaps the team isn't set up correctly in your 5-a-day?
[23:56] <Odd-rationale> 5-a-day --add-team <team>
[23:56] <Odd-rationale> i have a team file in ~/.5-a-day-odd-rationale/team
[23:57] <Odd-rationale> it has the correct name of the team in there...


[18:32] <IdleOne> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/2704-ubuntu-hour-guelph/
[18:38] <Ankman> that's far from here
[18:38] <IdleOne> yup


[05:39] <nlsthzn> Happy release day everyone :p
[05:41] <Kilos> morning all
[05:42] <Kilos> is it happy release day today not_found ?
[05:43] <nlsthzn> yup
[05:43] <nlsthzn> 14.04 landing today
[05:44] <Kilos> hi jabberwocky93
[05:44] <Kilos> hi Spekko
[05:44] <Spekko> more Kilos
[05:44] <jabberwocky93> more Kilos
[05:45]  * jabberwocky93 slaps Spekko with a large trout
[05:45] <Kilos> mo
[05:45] <Kilos> môre julle
[05:45] <jabberwocky93> Maaz: coffee on
[05:45]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[05:45] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[05:45] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[05:46] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[05:46] <Maaz> Ah!  If you ask nicely, maybe you can have a cup
[05:48] <Spekko> Maaz Coffee please
[05:48] <Maaz> Spekko: Sure
[05:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for jabberwocky93, Kilos and Spekko!
[05:50] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias amigo
[05:50] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[05:50] <nlsthzn> http://www.pointerpointer.com/
[05:51] <jabberwocky93> Maaz, спасибо
[05:51] <Maaz> jabberwocky93: Huh?
[05:52] <Kilos> who is that nlsthzn
[05:53] <nlsthzn> dunno
[05:53] <nlsthzn> they are random pictures pointing to the pointer :p
[05:56] <jabberwocky93> ah yes cool site, I couldn't stop and looked at all of them
[05:59] <nlsthzn> lol
[06:00] <jabberwocky93> in my private time at least :)
[06:06] <Kilos> lol
[06:19] <theblazehen> morning
[06:19] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[06:29] <theblazehen> yo Golynx
[06:30] <Golynx> hi theblazehen
[06:32] <Kilos> hi smile Golynx
[06:32] <smile> hi :D
[06:33] <smile> you missed my party, Kilos :p
[06:33] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[06:33] <Golynx> hey smile
[06:33] <Kilos> sorry smile hope you enjoyed it
[06:33] <Kilos> thats what counts
[06:33] <smile> Kilos: no worries, my birthday was great :)
[06:33] <smile> gf came to me ;)
[06:34] <Kilos> cool
[06:34] <Kilos> haha
[06:34] <smile> :D we took photographs
[06:34] <Kilos> of what
[06:34] <smile> I have to select the best ones, though
[06:34] <smile> me & my gf :)
[06:34] <Kilos> lol
[06:34] <smile> If I only had 2, life would be easy :p
[06:34] <smile> I have 68 :p
[06:35] <Kilos> wow
[06:35] <smile> yeah :p
[06:35] <smile> quite a few :p
[06:35] <Kilos> is that all you did all day
[06:36] <smile> that was just an hour :D
[06:36] <Kilos> you supposed to eat sweets and cake and stuff too
[06:36] <smile> I ate pie :D
[06:36] <Kilos> what pie
[06:37] <smile> fruit pie :p
[06:37] <Kilos> lekker
[06:37] <smile> ja :p
[06:37] <smile> there were strawberries on it ;)
[06:37] <smile> melon too :p
[06:37] <Kilos> i grow my own strawberries
[06:37] <smile> and of course, whipped cream :)
[06:38] <Kilos> hehe
[06:38] <smile> we used to have a lot of strawberries :( the gardener thought it was weed, so he removed everything
[06:38] <smile> it will take years again to grow like it was before
[06:38] <Kilos> lol
[06:39] <smile> I like them, they're gone now :(
[06:39] <smile> anyway, we buy them now. but we used to have kilo-s of them, now only a few gram :D
[06:39] <Kilos> lol
[06:40] <Kilos> kill the gardener
[06:40] <smile> no, he has done good work too ;)
[06:40] <smile> I don't blame him, but I was a bit disappointed at first
[06:40] <Kilos> then just hit him about the head a bit
[06:40] <smile> He was too
[06:40] <Kilos> and pat him on the back for the good work
[06:41] <smile> Imagine, you clean up the garden and they're not happy
[06:41] <smile> I'm afraid he's stronger than me :D
[06:41] <Kilos> walk softly and carry a big stick
[06:41] <Golynx> put some ants in his pants lol
[06:41] <Kilos> lol
[06:42] <smile> Golynx: lol :D
[06:42] <smile> I guess I can live with it ;)
[06:44] <Kilos> just buy one plant man it will spread
[06:45] <Kilos> after baring they send out runners to make new plants
[06:46] <smile> I have a few left :p
[06:46] <smile> I think they will grow again
[06:46] <smile> :)
[06:46] <smile> and spread ;)
[06:46] <smile> new ones aren't better necessarily
[06:47] <smile> (they can be quite small)
[06:47] <smile> it only looks awful now :D
[06:48] <Kilos> you have a big garden?
[06:49] <Kilos> my strawberries used to be small then i got red wrigglers and the strawberries were 3 times the size
[06:50] <smile> big enough, Kilos :p
[06:50] <Kilos> google red wrigglers
[06:51] <Kilos> wonderful magic worms
[06:51] <smile> cheater :D
[06:51] <Kilos> all kitchen scraps and garden cuttings then make magic compost
[06:52] <Kilos> better than any bought fertilizer
[06:53] <Kilos> you can also market the vermicast and the worms
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:54] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:54] <smile> Kilos: yeah :)
[06:54] <smile> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:58] <Kilos> nlsthzn, #ubuntu-release is very quiet. is that the wrong channel
[06:58] <nlsthzn> might be... still early in the day, I don't expect the release until tomorrow our time
[06:59] <Kilos> whew
[06:59] <Golynx> Kilos #ubuntu-release-party looks very chatty
[07:00] <Kilos> ah ty
[07:00] <nlsthzn> they will anounce the release about a 100 times in that channel before it is really released :p
[07:02] <smile> :o
[07:07] <Kilos> they talk too much in that channel
[07:07] <Golynx> lol
[07:08] <Kilos> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/7-ubuntu-14-04-lts-improvements-youll-love
[07:12] <Golynx> yeah i read that last week on OMG! UBUNTU! facebook page
[07:12] <Golynx> hi charl_
[07:12] <charl_> good morning
[07:12] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:12]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:12] <charl_> hi Golynx
[07:15] <Kilos> watched my first video on fabebook just now
[07:16] <Kilos> leopard attack a crocodile nd dragging it off for supper
[07:16] <Kilos> awesome
[07:16] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[07:16] <Kilos> hi charl_
[07:16] <charl_> hi Kilos
[07:16] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[07:16] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[07:19] <Golynx> its strange leopards dont back off like lions do. They go straight for the jugular
[07:21] <Kilos> wonderful animals. thats where we learned to make biltong
[07:21] <Kilos> hehe
[07:21] <Golynx> lol
[07:23] <smile> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu.html <- worth a read
[07:23] <charl_> hi smile
[07:23] <charl_> long time no speak to
[07:24] <smile> charl_: I have been ill for weeks
[07:24] <charl_> oh no, what's wrong?
[07:26] <smile> I have had kissing disease ;;)
[07:26] <smile> it's better now :)
[07:27] <charl_> kissing disease ?! :D
[07:27] <charl_> ooh :)
[07:30] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:33] <Vince-0> o/
[07:34] <psyatw> hi Vince-0
[07:34] <psyatw> or haai
[07:34] <psyatw> in de baai
[07:34] <psyatw> :)
[07:36] <charl_> hi psyatw
[07:36] <charl_> hi Vince-0
[07:36] <charl_> how's it going
[07:36] <psyatw> hi charl_
[07:36] <psyatw> it's going well, most trainings are over now
[07:36] <psyatw> and hopefully no more stupid tests
[07:37] <psyatw> and how are you doing?
[07:37] <Vince-0> kurf
[07:37] <Vince-0> except for work I guess,
[07:41] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[07:41] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[07:43] <Kilos> hi Guest53905
[07:44] <Kilos> you new here?
[07:44] <smile> hi psyatw :p
[07:44] <psyatw> hi smile :D
[07:44] <psyatw> smile, nog gefeliciteerd met je verjaardag gisteren :D
[07:46] <smile> baie dankie, psyatw ;)
[07:46] <psyatw> :D
[07:52] <Golynx> hey psyatw
[07:52] <psyatw> hi Golynx
[07:53] <Golynx> \o_ Vince-0
[07:54] <Vince-0> sup!
[08:06] <theblazehen> yo Vince-0
[08:20] <Kilos> Golynx, try remember to give this link to the beta guy please
[08:20] <Kilos> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu.html
[08:21] <Kilos> option 7 is what he needs for the dual graphics drivers
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy>  step 1. install Kubuntu
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> step 2. enjoy
[08:22] <Kilos> haha
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> that is all the steps
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[08:23] <psyatw> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:23] <psyatw> hi theblazehen
[08:23] <psyatw> yeah
[08:23] <psyatw> I have been running the same kubuntu for a year now
[08:23] <theblazehen> hy psyatw
[08:24] <psyatw> and soon I will install the new version and run it for at least a year
[08:24] <Golynx> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:25] <Golynx> Kilos i will try if that happens
[08:25] <Kilos> ok ty
[08:25] <Kilos> he installed bumblebee but it didnt work and now they say purge it and use another tool
[08:32] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[08:36] <charl_> bitlbee ?
[08:36] <psyatw> optimus prime
[08:37] <psyatw> and soundlab
[08:37] <Kilos> ya that
[08:37] <charl_> oh no i see bumblebee is something entirely diffferent
[08:37] <charl_> psyatw: i'm doing well !
[08:37] <Kilos> he is very new to buntu so still working his way through things
[08:38] <psyatw> charl_, and work? I am doing Windows OS/application support now, but it's just another step towards something I would really want to do
[08:39] <Kilos> lol
[08:39] <Kilos> any job is better than no job
[08:41] <charl_> psyatw: i'm doing some cool stuff right now - mostly spring combined with maven and a mixed jetty/tomcat/weblogic environment
[08:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> #$^# you tomcat!
[08:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry. habit
[08:42] <charl_> psyatw: i had a cool project where i used spring ws (soap) with automated wsdl generation, xsd validation, xslt transformations etc all using a few simple settings and interceptors
[08:44] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, did you buy your houseboat?
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> hahaha i wish
[08:44] <Kilos> ah i thought you were going for it
[08:45] <charl_> ThatGraemeGuy: i feel your pain, do you have any experience with wildfly/undertow?
[08:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> never heard of them
[08:45] <charl_> ThatGraemeGuy: i am quite keen to look at migrating over to that but i don't know if it will be any better
[08:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: they're about R700,000+ second hand
[08:45] <charl_> what other containers have you used?
[08:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> so no :-(
[08:45] <Kilos> ouch
[08:45] <charl_> i'm not exactly very impressed with weblogic either
[08:46] <Kilos> start collecting materials and then build your own
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't really have much opinion on containers, i just use whatever the app recommends
[08:46] <charl_> ah ok
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> which for most is typically tomcat
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> solr comes with a jetty config that seems to work well enough
[08:46] <charl_> i mostly do that as well and in the case of spring, tomcat is pretty-much the accepted default
[08:47] <charl_> i just don't like the poor performance of jetty, if it was faster i would have been more happy to use it
[08:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: not really viable there are all sorts of safety standards and inspections you need to pass
[08:49] <Kilos> and each one is a big backhand needed i suppose
[08:56] <inetpro> good morning, and hi Kilos
[08:57] <Kilos> lol hi inetpro
[08:58] <theblazehen> hey inetpro
[09:00] <Kilos> whew they still fixing lots on #ubuntu-release
[09:00] <Kilos> morning superfly
[09:01] <inetpro> Kilos: fixing what?
[09:01] <Kilos> 14.04
[09:02]  * inetpro wonders
[09:04] <Kilos> about?
[09:05] <inetpro> Kilos: what are they fixing?
[09:06] <Kilos> dbarth> nhaines: i'm on #ubuntu-webapps
[09:07] <Kilos> etc etc
[09:07] <inetpro> uh
[09:07] <inetpro> and that means what?
[09:07] <Kilos>   /#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: swift (trusty-proposed/main) [1.13.1~rc2-0ubuntu1 => 1.13.1-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[09:07] <Kilos> means it can only get better
[09:08] <inetpro> ai!
[09:08] <Kilos> and mine works lekker already
[09:08] <Kilos> will use next night surfer data for 14.04 kde
[09:09]  * inetpro goes back to work
[09:12] <Golynx> hmm, betabertus8899 just came yesterday to give his 2 cents here. Been at #ubuntu all morning
[09:12] <Kilos> hehe
[09:17] <Kilos> queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Trusty Final] has been marked as ready
[09:18] <Kilos> queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntukylin-default-settings (trusty-proposed/universe) [1.1.8 => 1.1.10] (ubuntukylin)
[09:18] <Kilos> sigh
[09:19] <Kilos> kde ready first
[09:47] <Kilos> queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Trusty Final] has been marked as ready
[11:47] <Kilos> hahaha
 Daviey: Even just a boot/install/reboot smoketest would be fine.  Don't care if it's thoroughly tested, just need to be sure it won't set computers on fire if we release it.
[11:54] <Kilos> Golynx, http://www.spine-health.com/conditions/neck-pain/neck-strengthening-exercises
[11:57] <Golynx> Kilos  ty , but i'm all cured now :)
[11:57] <Golynx> but will give that a try sometime
[11:57] <Kilos> get stronger so it dont happen again man
[11:57] <Kilos> peeps that say they will try something sometime never do
[11:59] <Golynx> i should focus more on not to sleep in a life threatening position though lol
[12:00] <Golynx> i always had a strong thick neck
[12:00] <Golynx> but have been less active in the excersizing of it in the past years
[12:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> dist-upgrades are so much nicer when you aren't on ADSL
[12:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> You have to download a total of 1 290 M. This download will take about 23 minutes with your connection.
[12:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> go ahead, don't let me stop you
[12:04] <Golynx> or +- 30 hours with my connection lol
[12:06] <nlsthzn> biggest issue is when the download is 1290mb but the cap is only 1gb :/
[12:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> what's a cap? ;-p
[12:07] <nlsthzn> lol
[12:07]  * nlsthzn hasn't had one in 5 years but can still remember them :p
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have one on mobile, but i don't manage to finish it
[12:08] <nlsthzn> I make sure not to finish the one on mobile due to the cost!
[12:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> thankfully if my allocation runs out it just stops working
[12:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> no OOBShark for me
[12:15] <nlsthzn> oh I will just get a nasty bill
[12:48] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: I once got a NASTY bill:/
[12:48] <nlsthzn> :(
[12:48] <theblazehen> Thought I had another 500 MB data
[12:50] <nlsthzn> ouch
[12:59] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:00] <Kilos> hi smile
[13:01] <smile> hi ;) I had to restart Firefox
[13:01] <smile> wanted to try out an addon :D
[13:08] <Kilos> haha
[13:23] <Kilos>  ETA 25 minutes or so based on the last build
[13:23] <Kilos> coming closer
[13:24] <Kilos> Guest53905, are you the shy type?
[13:24] <nlsthzn> Kilos: 25 min until?
[13:24] <Kilos> i think they mean till release nlsthzn
[13:24] <Golynx> end of the world ?
[13:25] <Kilos> im watching #ubuntu-release
[13:25] <Golynx> Jesus coming ?
[13:25] <Kilos> dont mock Golynx
[13:25] <Golynx> oh lol
[13:26] <Kilos> that will happen too in your lifetime
[13:26] <Golynx> sorry uncle Kilos
[13:26] <Kilos> ok
[13:27] <Kilos> funny how they work on it till the last minute
[13:33] <theblazehen> Kilos: WHATS HAPPENING?
[13:33] <theblazehen> I accidentally the caps lock.. sorry
[13:34] <Kilos> they doing finishing touches looks like
[13:34] <Kilos> np
[13:36] <Kilos> haha
[13:36] <Kilos> Aurvandill> windows is like a undersee boat if you open a window you have a big problem
[13:38] <nlsthzn> this is always the case... there used to be a site you could actually see the build tests pass or fail etc... kept me awake many nights for no good reason :p
[13:38] <Kilos> lol
[14:22] <Private_User> afternoon ZA people, Long Weekend ahead :)
[14:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:24] <Private_User> has everybody already started their long weekend?
[14:24] <theblazehen> hey Private_User
[14:25] <Golynx> hey Private_User
[14:25] <Golynx> what is a long weekend lol
[14:25] <Private_User> 'sup theblazehen and Golynx
[14:27] <Golynx> the working peeps can get a good rest and curry fish on there buns atleast
[14:29] <Private_User> I wonder if people still go on holidays during long weekends...
[14:30] <Private_User> but I am sure of one thing that never goes out of style, braai, dops and shisa nyama... hehe
[14:30] <Kilos> hehe
[14:31] <Vince-0> beeer
[14:31] <Vince-0> whoot im out
[14:32] <Kilos> lol
[14:32] <Private_User> wow he must have had a "loooong" week
[14:32] <Private_User> LOL
[14:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh
[14:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> quassel doesn't have colourful nicks in the chat window anymore :-/
[14:33] <nlsthzn> there is a setting for that :p
[14:33] <Kilos> lol
[14:34] <Kilos> must just be disabled
[14:35] <Private_User> hey Kilos, just read above you watching #ubuntu-release is that an IRC channel I can join?
[14:35] <Kilos> is this true?
[14:35] <Kilos> drodriguezpadill> brotherBox, have you tried apt-fast? It does the same thing as apt-get, but pulls from multiple servers at the same time.
[14:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh there its fixed
[14:35] <Kilos>  /j ##ubuntu-release
[14:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> why wait for release? just sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[14:36] <Kilos> and the hooligans are in #ubuntu-release=party
[14:37] <Kilos> they are fixing lots today ThatGraemeGuy
[14:37]  * nlsthzn goes home \o/ bai
[14:37] <Kilos> upgraded bits and pieces 4 times already
[14:37] <Kilos> toods nlsthzn
[14:37] <Private_User> cya nlsthzn
[14:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, but if you want to upgrade there's no need to wait for release
[14:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> the fixed you'll get as per normal anyway
[14:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> *fixes
[14:38] <Kilos> ya
[14:39] <Kilos> dunno how many peeps here are going to move to 14.04 yet
[14:39] <Kilos> but i like it
[14:39] <Private_User> did you get a copy already Kilos?
[14:39] <Kilos> yes 2 weeks ago
[14:40] <Kilos> i downloaded the daily build
[14:40] <Kilos> 1g
[14:40] <Private_User> ok cool stuff
[14:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> i did do-release-upgrade this morning
[14:40] <Kilos> now they say its 1.2g so they been adding
[14:40] <Private_User> I will download the official release version
[14:41] <Kilos> what you see different on kde ThatGraemeGuy
[14:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> not a lot
[14:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> network connection icon looks different
[14:41] <Kilos> samje with unity . small things but imo its lots better
[14:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> my battery still only reports % remaining, not estimated time
[14:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> but it lasts 6+ hours so i don't really care
[14:42] <Kilos> ai! someone gave a link here on what to install to extend battery life
[14:42] <Kilos> oh thats good
[14:42] <Kilos> might be in all the coming upgrades
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh, doesn't really matter
[14:43] <Kilos> -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu GNOME Desktop amd64 [Trusty Final] has been marked as ready
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> if i run xfce i can get time estimated, for some reason not in kde
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> kde bug of some sort
[14:44] <Kilos> report it and theyll sort it
[14:44] <Private_User> brb
[14:44] <Kilos> i reported a nm bug and kept getting emails for 2 years
[14:44] <Kilos> hehe
[14:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> Upstart has been upgraded to version 1.12.1.
[14:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> shame, poor thing
[14:45] <Kilos> and they dropping upstart next release isnt it
[14:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> exactly
[14:45] <Kilos> worked well for me
[14:51] <theblazehen> Moving to systemd?
[14:51] <theblazehen> Can't remember what debian devs decided
[14:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[14:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> and caninical decided to do the same
[14:52] <theblazehen> :D
[14:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> which makes sense, there is little to be gained by continuing with upstart
[14:53] <theblazehen> oh nice: get-popcorn.com
[14:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh
[14:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> torrents are hopeless on most uncapped accounts
[14:56] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: all good here :)
[14:56] <theblazehen> Streaming Europa report at 720p
[14:59] <Kilos> one of the testing machines seems to be going a bit slow
[15:02] <inetpro> everything on schedule still if you ask me
[15:03] <inetpro> the release schedule is not based on our SAST timezone
[15:11] <Kilos> i wont download it for a while but its still exciting
[15:11] <Kilos> i remember the 10.10 release
[15:11] <Kilos> everyone was more excited
[15:11] <Kilos> but this looks like a good one
[15:14] <inetpro> but looking on #ubuntu-release it does look like they are running a bit late today
[15:14] <Kilos> yeah
[15:16] <inetpro> Kilos: btw, it is #ubuntu-release-party not ubuntu-release=party
[15:17] <Kilos> oh did i miss a hash
[15:17] <Kilos> sorry
[15:17] <inetpro> no
[15:17] <inetpro> you put a =
[15:17] <Kilos> oh and an = thing too
[15:17] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:18] <Kilos> normally i read before pressing enter but didnt that time
[15:48] <Kilos> now they gotta sort sflphone
[15:49] <Kilos> oh inetpro as a matter of interest iftop sees ppp0 on 12.04 and wwan0 on 14.04
[15:49] <Kilos> i dunno why that might be
[15:49] <Kilos> iftop works without the -i ppp0
[15:51] <Kilos> at least it works
[15:56] <Kilos> eish 10°c tonight
[15:56]  * Kilos shivvering already
[16:26] <Kilos> oh my they are struggling
[17:08] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:10] <theblazehen> Kilos: hmm?
[17:10] <Kilos> they struggling
[17:11] <Kilos> looks like mythubuntu has bad bugs
[17:12] <Golynx> bad news for those drooling for the 14.04 Lts ?
[17:12] <Kilos> ya
[17:13] <Kilos> mine works lekker
[17:13] <Kilos> i think they gonna just keep mythubuntu back
[17:14] <Golynx> why peeps going bananas over it, they can get it tomorow or even next week . Like the baby wants his bottle now lol
[17:17] <Golynx> or is there a pot of gold in the first 100k downloads :D
[17:18] <Kilos> lol
[17:20] <Kilos> how do these things work?
[17:20] <Kilos> http://sflphone.org/download/stable-release
[17:22] <Kilos> Maaz, seen magespawn
[17:22] <Maaz> Kilos: magespawn was last seen 1 day, 9 hours, 46 minutes and 35 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-04-16 00:35:59 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-04-16 00:36:03 PDT
[17:48] <Private_User> LOL @ Golynx
[17:49] <Private_User> yeah I always wonder what all the anticipation is about when something new is released
[17:49] <Private_User> you can always get it tomorrow
[17:50] <Private_User> the worse is stuff that you buy from stores where people queue from like the night before just to get something that is gonna be in store for the first time the next day
[17:54] <Private_User> but seriously now what time is this ubuntu 14.04 being officially released?
[17:54] <Golynx> Private_User: i agree hehe :D
[17:54] <superfly> Private_User: there is no official time, they release it when they release it
[17:54] <superfly> Private_User: in my exeprience, anything from 4 - 10 pm
[17:55] <Private_User> so for all we know it could be at 23:59pm
[17:55] <Private_User> hehe
[17:55] <superfly> yup
[17:55] <superfly> Private_User: whose timezone? :-P
[17:55] <Private_User> cause it will still be the 17/04/2014
[17:55] <Private_User> LOL
[17:55] <Private_User> good question superfly
[17:56]  * superfly <3 torrenting ISOs
[17:56] <superfly> 793 seeders for Debian 7
[17:57] <Private_User> on the ubuntu-release and ubuntu-release-party channels they say to stay off the servers until the official announcement
[17:57] <Private_User> well for me thats fine I would be downloading after 00:00 to use my nite surfer data
[17:58] <Private_User> :D
[17:58]  * superfly has uncapped, doesn't worry about when and how much
[17:58] <Private_User> lucky superfly
[17:58] <superfly> hey, I pay for it
[17:59] <superfly> I'm not lucky
[17:59] <Private_User> lol
[17:59] <Private_User> unfortunately for me Telkom refuse to install line where I am because of cable theft
[17:59] <Private_User> so I am on 3G
[17:59] <superfly> aaahh
[18:01] <superfly> any android devs here?
[18:04] <captine> evening all
[18:04] <Golynx> hi captine
[18:04] <theblazehen> yo all
[18:04] <superfly> hi captine
[18:04] <Golynx> hi superfly
[18:04]  * superfly takes the silence as a "no"
[18:04] <captine> hi hi
[18:05] <Golynx> superfly i only do phonegap apps in android. Java is too messy lol
[18:06] <captine> anyone know a good tool for cpu fan controlling?  my laptop is pretty warm and I would prefer the fans kicking in sooner
[18:08] <Golynx> but one can use python to make android apps too :)
[18:08] <Golynx> captine: when last did you clean the fan
[18:08] <Kilos> lol
[18:08] <Kilos> hi all
[18:09] <superfly> Golynx: I'm not a fan of Java, but I'm not scared of it either. I'd rather make a native app too
[18:09] <captine> lol.  never.  2012 macbook.  think i need to install the mactel ppa stuff... just not sure.
[18:10] <captine> only purchased last year may
[18:10] <Kilos> Golynx, knows all about cleaning lappy fans
[18:10] <Kilos> thats how we first got involved here hey Golynx
[18:11] <Kilos> or am i mixing you with someone else
[18:12] <Golynx> superfly: native apps are great, but when you have to make for many platforms at once phonegap is awesome.
[18:12] <Golynx> lol Kilos
[18:13] <Golynx> yeah, i finally managed to break into buckingham palace to clean the queens tea cups lol
[18:13] <superfly> Golynx: well, I only want an Android app, so I'm perfectly happy with NOT making a gazillion other versions
[18:13] <superfly> :-D
[18:15] <Golynx> superfly: thats great, i would prefer to use python instead of java for android native apps aswell.
[18:16] <Golynx> atleast anything besides a webview
[18:17] <theblazehen> Golynx: you can do that?!
[18:17] <theblazehen> (python)
[18:17] <Golynx> captine: 2012 is a good amount of time for daddy and mommy long legs to set up a new home in your lappy and having a few kids aswell.
[18:18] <Kilos> haha
[18:19] <Kilos> the job is in opening a lappy to clean everywhere
[18:19] <Kilos> if the fan is dirty so is the cpu heatsink
[18:19] <Golynx> theblazehen: like http://qpython.com i forgot the others
[18:20] <Golynx> Kilos: yeah took me 6 hours to figure out how to get into mine
[18:21] <Kilos> rofl
[18:21] <Golynx> :D
[18:21] <Kilos> i really battled to open ians years back and that was after he had broken lots of the clips and screw holes
[18:21] <captine> lol.  model is 2012 (late). so still pretty new.  i will check.  just know if doesnt run this hot under osx
[18:21] <Kilos> terrible things
[18:22] <theblazehen> Golynx: ah, ok
[18:22] <Kilos> captine, what os you have on there?
[18:22] <theblazehen> Was hoping you could compile or whatever to an apk
[18:23] <captine> just cleared osx and running 14.04 only (installed daily build yesterday)
[18:23] <captine> very stable
[18:23] <Kilos> and its running hotter than yesterday?
[18:24] <captine> no
[18:24] <captine> hotter than osx
[18:24] <captine> which i used a while back
[18:24] <captine> had 12.04 on and it was cooler, but think i had installed the mactel ports
[18:24] <captine> i mean mactel ppa
[18:24] <captine> software
[18:24] <Kilos> has osx got serious graprhics like ubuntu?
[18:25] <captine> lol.
[18:26] <Kilos> apart from dust and dirt inside it shouldnt run hotter
[18:26] <Kilos> imo anyway
[18:26] <Kilos> you must bumped it and just all fell down where is makes things heat worse
[18:26] <captine> apple has some pretty crazy power saving settings etc from what I have heard.  think the hotter running issue happens on other macs.... the problem with using mac...
[18:28] <Kilos> can you feel the heat on the keyboard or how you know its getting hot
[18:31] <captine> yip.  keyboard is pretty warm
[18:31] <theblazehen> captine: can you run "sensors" ?
[18:32] <captine> will try
[18:33] <Golynx> theblazehen: i think this is the closest to what you wana do https://ep2013.europython.eu/conference/talks/developing-android-apps-completely-in-python
[18:33] <captine> core 0 and core 1 are 70 and 71 degrees respectively
[18:34] <captine> sensors states the high is 87 and critical is 105
[18:34] <Golynx> its kinda sad, python would be a perfect language for android
[18:34] <theblazehen> Golynx: thanks
[18:34] <captine> one sensor (not sure what it is) is at 80 degrees.
[18:34] <theblazehen> captine: and "uptime" ?
[18:34] <captine> 20:34:36 up 35 min,  4 users,  load average: 0,41, 0,53, 0,64
[18:35] <Golynx> captine: thats kinda high
[18:35] <captine> reminds me... i must get conky working
[18:35] <captine> Golynx, yip
[18:35] <captine> have set cpuscaling to powersave while I figure this out
[18:35] <theblazehen> I should also get a conky.. But I never see may wallpapaer :(
[18:36] <Golynx> mine runs at somewhere at 50 - 65 degrees
[18:36] <Golynx> it was 80 - 110 degrees before i cleaned it
[18:36] <captine> theblazehen, that is one thing that i was wondering about.  prefer a indicator icon
[18:38] <Kilos> there is a package called fancontrol
[18:39] <theblazehen> Kilos: but temp is really high... I'd rather have high fan
[18:40] <Kilos> yeah maybe fancontrol can rev it up
[18:40] <Kilos> my cpu runs cool
[18:40] <Kilos> Physical id 0:  +31.0°C  (high = +85.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
[18:41] <Kilos> core0=28 and core1=31
[18:42] <captine> nice and cool
[18:42] <captine> i was watching lots of youtube.. maybe it will cool now
[18:46] <theblazehen> captine: html5 or flash?
[18:46] <Kilos> good luck. maybe google for instructions on how to strip it to clean inside
[18:46] <Kilos> sleep tight all of you
[18:46] <Kilos> see ya tomorrow
[18:48] <captine> was playing it through VLC... so not sure what that uses.  I had set my youtube account for html5 where available
[18:49] <theblazehen> captine: should be good then. Flash kills CPU on linux
[19:02] <theblazehen> night all
[19:17] <smile> see ya :p
[19:18] <Golynx> take care smile
[19:18] <smile> thanks :)
[19:18] <Golynx> night all


[00:32] <pleia2> jose: still about?
[00:32] <jose> yep, what's up?
[00:32] <pleia2> want to review and move over summaries for UWN? I'm bullet-pointing blogosphere and writing the In The News summaries now
[00:32] <jose> sure thing
[00:32] <jose> let me give you a hand too
[00:40] <pleia2> ok, looks good, all can be copied over :)
[00:40] <pleia2> once you're done I'll add stats and do a final once through on the wiki, then we can publish
[00:41] <jose> ok!
[00:45] <jose> pleia2: want me to run stats?
[00:49] <pleia2> jose: nah, I'll take care of that
[00:49] <jose> ok then :)
[00:57] <pleia2> jose: stats added, want to do a final review? I'll add "In This Issue" and publish when you're done :)
[01:00]  * jose looks
[01:01] <jose> Unit193: mind link-checking?
[01:01] <Unit193> Sure, got a link to check?
[01:01] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue338
[01:02] <Unit193> (Scripting something, wasn't sure if it was past this scrollback screen)  Thanks.
[01:03] <jose> pleia2: everything looks good on my side
[01:04] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2013-October/002276.htm nope.jpg
[01:04] <Unit193> Everything else looks normal.
[01:05]  * jose fixes
[01:05] <jose> thanks, Unit193!
[01:05] <Unit193> Sure.
[01:08] <pleia2> thanks guys
[01:08] <pleia2> ok, off to publish!
[01:09] <pleia2> jose: wanna do fridge?
[01:09] <jose> sure
[01:10] <pleia2> ok, go for it
[01:10]  * pleia2 emails
[01:10] <jose> pleia2: wait
[01:10] <pleia2> hm?
[01:11] <jose> it still says 'work in progress'
[01:11] <jose> removed
[01:11] <pleia2> thanks
[01:11] <jose> :)
[01:14] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 338 for the week October 7th - 13th 2013 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue338
[01:14] <jose> fridge done
[01:14] <pleia2> thank you, sir!
[01:15] <jose> to you, madam
[01:28] <jose> hey pleia2, I wanted to check what can we do on the Feedback section of UWN
[01:28] <jose> currently it lists<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as the only support option, maybe we can link to a wiki page where we put all the support options we have right now?
[01:29] <pleia2> sounds good
[01:30] <pleia2> maybe http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/
[01:30] <jose> yeah, I'd link that page
[01:31] <pleia2> want to update the template?
[01:31] <jose> doing that right now
[01:32] <pleia2> \o/
[01:33] <jose> all done
[01:34] <Unit193> See?  We need people like jose that aren't disdainful towards the wiki and avoid it.
[01:35] <jose> one of the problems that may arise with wiki pages are them not being updated
[01:36] <pleia2> jose: perfect!
[01:36] <jose> if there's anything else I can help with, just poke me
[01:36] <pleia2> wasn't there something else from last week that we wanted to update on the template? was it that?
[01:36] <pleia2> we can add Saucy to updates too :)
[01:36] <jose> I think that was it
[01:36] <jose> and yeah, I'll add saucy
[01:36] <pleia2> if you want to do that real quick before I create the 339 page
[01:37] <pleia2> \o/
[01:37] <pleia2> saucy should be supported until july
[01:38] <jose> done
[01:38] <jose> whoops
[01:38] <jose> found an error and fixed it
[01:38] <pleia2> ah, good catch
[01:46] <jose> well, I'm out for today!
[01:48] <pleia2> have a good night
[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[15:51]  * PaulW2U thinks let's forget about the problems surrounding the last issue and make the next UWN one to remember !!!
[16:09] <pleia2> :)


[00:00] <sunnydrake> much faster, but it take long run on fetching data progress and it hung 4 of 5 times actually(and sometimes iwhile uploading files) i have 2-3 succes upload atempt with u1sync
[00:01] <sunnydrake> u1sync takes 2-4 mins before fetching data message
[00:21] <sunnydrake> rescan not finished yet but 1.8G/2.0G of mem gone 500mb swap.. what this little bastrad caching tho?
[00:40] <sunnydrake> hmm it's also compressing .zip files according to log...
[02:16] <sunnydrake> tcole: i where qite optimistic.. it's still scanning :)
[02:16] <tcole> :(
[02:16] <tcole> will you be here during the week?
[02:18] <sunnydrake> don't scare me :)
[02:20] <sunnydrake> tcole: system is AMD X2 2Ghz 2xSATA dmraid RAID
[02:20]  * tcole nods
[02:20] <tcole> obviously it shouldn't be taking that long
[02:20] <tcole> on the other hand, I need to go get food and I probably won't be available until Monday or so
[02:21] <tcole> also the rest of the team members should be around then as well
[02:21] <sunnydrake> tcole: at least it could upload some data while parsing other...
[02:21] <tcole> probably yes
[02:21] <tcole> u1sync doesn't because it was designed to be deliberately stupid and simple :)
[02:21] <tcole> but syncdaemon should do better
[02:22] <tcole> as it was the initial implementation decisions are still towards simplicity
[02:22] <sunnydrake> im running syncdaemon now...
[02:22] <tcole> anyway, I've gotta go
[02:22] <sunnydrake> bye :)
[08:43] <jetienne> q. i just installed ubuntuone, and read the https://ubuntuone.com/support/installation/ page, but i cant do the "add your computer" step, but i got the "open folder" working. how do i "add my computer"
[08:48] <jetienne> oh i think "add my computer" is close to "connect". as both fails to work
[08:48] <jetienne> the lack of documentation is hard to tackle
[08:50] <jetienne> oh i found it. i had to subscribed to a plan
[09:09] <jetienne> it worked! i just had to quit + relaunch the local apps
[09:38] <jetienne> q. in the web ui, the "sharing" tab in https://ubuntuone.com/files/ is disabled. is this due to the beta state or more me misconfiguring it ?
[11:47] <sunnydrake> 12h to scan files is just enought to shut down daemon and wait for fix....
[12:05] <BUGabundo> olá e bom dia
[16:34] <dobey> jetienne: "Sharing" is only enabled for folders under "My Files". we don't do individual file sharing. only folders
[16:41] <jetienne> dobey: ok thanks.
[16:42] <jetienne> dobey: btw how come it is not possible to share a single file ?
[16:43] <jetienne> this seems like a relevant feature. to force to create a directory and to put the file in it just to share it , seems uselessly cumbersome, no ?
[16:43] <dobey> jetienne: there are many more ways to share single files with people that are widely available and used by everyone
[16:43] <jetienne> (not complaining here, just giving feedback)
[16:44] <jetienne> dobey: ok
[16:44] <dobey> so we opted not to make individual files shareable, because it then gets quite unwieldy
[16:47] <jetienne> as a product designer, i disagree, but that's cool. i made my feedback and will use your service with pleasure :)
[16:51] <dobey> if you've got thousands of users sharing individual files to multiple people, it gets unwieldy very quickly :)
[20:39] <ashiq> hello. anyone here?
[20:46] <dobey> hi


[23:23] <iceroot> MrKeuner: correct, on nx its qwerty but i think its just a option to set
[23:24] <aaaaalex> jubei___, all right. in that case i got nothing - provided the old router is also running apache.
[23:24] <mne7> iceroot: yes, i know.
[23:24] <MrKeuner> iceroot, that's exactly the problem I heard about
[23:24] <xangua> EmuAlert: with recent kernels, yes
[23:24] <MrKeuner> iceroot, if you have a chance try neatx, that also has its problems though
[23:24] <mne7> iceroot: do you know if have a free shell acc in net using this product for test?
[23:24] <Jorgee> Can't locate LWP/Socket.pm in @INC
[23:24] <iceroot> MrKeuner: qwerty is not very nice with a qwertz keyboard but i think it can be configured
[23:24] <xangua> EmuAlert: no idea what kernel version was support for usb3 introduced
[23:25] <iceroot> mne7: sorry i dont know
[23:25] <tpe> xangua, the envelope for things that are compatible, but not for everything I use that has an urgent notification. I was hoping that there was at least an option to extend the length of the urgent animation in the Unity launcher.
[23:25] <mne7> iceroot: i will test nx here
[23:25] <iceroot> mne7: but i guess there are open freenx servers out there (google)
[23:25] <mne7> iceroot: year, thanks again
[23:26] <jubei___> aaaaalex: perhaps if i explain, i have an old pc with 2 nics, 1 connecting to internet via PPPoE, another one serving a network via a switch. the pc's connected to the switch can resolve and load the webpage /www/index.html. but pcs just connected to the internet can only ping the hostname, but not access the index.html file. but i can ssh onto the server remotely over the internet
[23:26] <aaaaalex> tpe hopefully unity will become mor erefined and configurable with the next release cycle - is there a request for that on launchpad) i would second it ;-)
[23:27] <Jorgee> Can't locate LWP/Socket.pm in @INC
[23:27] <iceroot> jubei___: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward   should fix it if ubuntu is the router
[23:28] <jubei___> aaaaalex: i have ip forwarding enabled already ..
[23:28] <iceroot> jubei___: you have to use "tee" or a real root-shell for that, sudo is not working with it (cant remeber the tee syntax)
[23:28] <Crisco> I'm trying to install bluez-gnome but it says "configure: error: gconf >= 2.16 is required" the only gconf package I can find is for dapper
[23:28] <jubei___> aaaaalex: didnt set it in the packet forwarding like that though?
[23:28] <mdel> what's everyone's opinion  on the best remote-x software?
[23:28] <mdel> nxserver, freenx, x2go?
[23:28] <mdel> (natty, btw)
[23:28] <iceroot> !best | mdel
[23:29] <mdel> iceroot: right
[23:29] <xangua> Crisco: dapper is not supported, install a recent and supported version
[23:29] <Jorgee> help me with this please? ?Can't locate LWP/Socket.pm in @INC
[23:29] <Crisco> xangua: I'm not using dapper
[23:29] <iceroot> mdel: x2go is not stable, freenx is gpl, nxserver is not free
[23:29] <aaaaalex> jubei___, iceroot is talking not me ;-)
[23:29] <Crisco> that is the problem
[23:29] <Crisco> I'm using 10.10
[23:29] <mdel> iceroot: any other options? last I looked I just used nxserver
[23:30] <iceroot> mdel: i only use freenx
[23:30] <jubei___> iceroot: are you talking about "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
[23:30] <mdel> paired with nxclient, correct?
[23:30] <Crisco> the default Ubuntu Bluetooth Stack is not allowing me to connect my Wiimote to my computer
[23:30] <iceroot> jubei___: yes
[23:30] <iceroot> mdel: correct
[23:30] <mdel> ty
[23:30] <jubei___> iceroot: thanks, i have already enabled packet forwarding
[23:30] <dov> unr350lv3d: thanks for your help in registering
[23:30] <dov> back to work now
[23:30] <Jorgee> help me with this please? ?Can't locate LWP/Socket.pm in @INC
[23:31] <jubei___> but i can walk to the next room where i have my pc setup and get physical access to the box
[23:31] <iceroot> jubei___: can the clients ping ipadresses out there? maybe dns is not set
[23:31] <jubei___> iceroot: yes the clients connected to the switch can download webpages etc..
[23:31] <iceroot> jubei___: who can not?
[23:31] <jubei___> iceroot: afaik its all setup right for the clients connected to the switch. its just apache2 that i can get working from a remote location
[23:32] <zamba> how can i take a full hard disk backup?
[23:32] <Jorgee> help me with this please? ?Can't locate LWP/Socket.pm in @INC
[23:32] <zamba> and with that i mean the partition table and everything
[23:32] <venik212> one of my CPUs is running at 100% on KNOTIFY4.  What is going on?  SystemMonitor says it is SLEEPING, so why is it using so much CPU time?
[23:32] <zamba> i have both linux and windows installation on the same physical disk
[23:32] <iceroot> jubei___: so you cant acces your lan-apache from the wan?
[23:32] <zamba> and i want to take backup of everything
[23:32] <jubei___> iceroot: like on this pc, im connected only to the internet via a seperate router to test. and i can't access my xxx.xxx.org
[23:32] <venik212> ubuntu 11.04 64 bits
[23:32] <iceroot> jubei___: is the router forwarding wan-requests to the lan?
[23:32] <jubei___> iceroot: however i can ping the xxx.xxx.org and it resolves to right ip adress and pings succefully
[23:32] <fr00g> Is it possible to have Unity only manage windows on the active desktop?
[23:33] <iceroot> jubei___: you have to say your router that it is xx.xx.org:80 forwarding to your local apache
[23:33] <iceroot> jubei___: because apache is running on a lan-ip
[23:34] <jubei___> iceroot: ok i think im starting to get what your saying
[23:34] <aaaaalex> jubei___, iceroot i thought your apache was running on the router pc?
[23:34] <iceroot> jubei___: your router is ubuntu? or a box?
[23:34] <venik212> I even rebooted but knotify4 still hogs the system
[23:34] <iceroot> jubei___: aaaaalex apache has to listen on ne wan-ip not the lan-ip
[23:34] <jubei___> iceroot: i am using one pc with with ubuntu server with 2 nics, one dialing pppoe another going to a switch to give access to clients.
[23:35] <iceroot> jubei___: aaaaalex if apache is only lsitening on <IP_ADDRESS> instead of a wan-ip apache will not hanlde wan-requests
[23:35] <jubei___> iceroot/ aaaaalex: now i have the same pc with 2 nics running apache2
[23:35] <jubei___> iceroot: that seems right, how do i set it to listen on wan-ip
[23:35] <fr00g> Is it possible to have Unity only manage windows on the active desktop?
[23:36] <iceroot> jubei___: if i am correct, apache is reading /etc/hosts  but maybe ask the guys in #httpd
[23:37] <venik212> anyone?
[23:37] <iceroot> jubei___: /etc/apache2/ports.conf seems to be the important part
[23:37] <iceroot> jubei___: there you say on what apache is listening
[23:37] <iceroot> jubei___: and then apache is looking in /etc/hosts what ip is assigned to that hostname
[23:38] <Polah> fr00g: Unity is the desktop environment, not the window manager. Unless I'm mistaken.
[23:38] <fr00g> Fine, the launcher
[23:38] <arays> I just installed Xubuntu on my laptop and tried installing Adobe Flash player so I can view youtube videos, but it won't allow me to copy the files into the root folder because permission is denied. Help?
[23:38] <jubei___> iceroot: ok thanks
[23:38] <fr00g> Polah, when I say manage, I mean display in the launcher
[23:38] <Starminn> fr00g: You choose your DE/Shell on login. After that there's not much you can do AFAIK
[23:38] <jubei___> iceroot: im gonna go try in httpd, but im gonna try that stuff quick and see if it work
[23:38] <iceroot> arays: why you need them in /root/?
[23:39] <arays> The readme file says to copy them into root.
[23:39] <iceroot> arays: there is no single reason to copy them intio /root(
[23:39] <iceroot> arays: what readme?
[23:39] <Polah> arays: Can you not just do sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer or xubuntu-restricted extras to get Flash? Rather than install it manually.
[23:39] <Jorgee> help me with this please? ?Can't locate LWP/Socket.pm in @INC
[23:39] <arays> iceroot: the readme file that came with the file from adobe.
[23:39] <iceroot> arays: dont install from adobe!!
[23:39] <iceroot> !flash | arays
[23:40] <iceroot> arays: never install software from websites if it is in the repos
[23:40] <iceroot> !repo | arays
[23:40] <arays> Oh. Well, I'm sorry. I'm new to Linux.
[23:40] <iceroot> arays: no problem
[23:40] <Roasted> What raid is supported in Ubuntu's alternate CD? Is that software raid or fake raid?
[23:40] <iceroot> Roasted: its the same
[23:40] <Roasted> iceroot, oh? I thought they were different.
[23:40] <Roasted> iceroot, is it easy to set up?
[23:40] <iceroot> Roasted: you only want software-raid and not fakeraid
[23:41] <IdleOne> !raid > Roasted
[23:41] <Roasted> iceroot, well, yeah. but you just said they were the same?
[23:41] <arays> Ah. The sudo apt get worked flawlessly! Thanks guys.
[23:41] <iceroot> Roasted: both are softare-raids, but fakeraid has some disadvantages
[23:41] <flowbee> if i already have ruby installed and i want to install rvm... must i uninstall ruby first and then install rvm?  (running ubuntu 10.04).  also what other ruby packages must i uninstall first (if necessary)?
[23:41] <arays> Is that to be the same command for installing everything else?
[23:42] <iceroot> arays: sudo apt-get install packagename
[23:42] <Roasted> iceroot, what disadvantages? I was trying to avoid fakeraid anyway. I was told to use software raid.
[23:42] <iceroot> arays: that is the way installing software on ubuntu
[23:42] <arays> iceroot: Where do I look up package names then?
[23:42] <iceroot> Roasted: if you change your board/fake-raid controller there is a chance that your raid is broken
[23:42] <iceroot> Roasted: you can only use the raid with that controller
[23:42] <Roasted> iceroot, I don't have onboard raid.
[23:42] <iceroot> Roasted: not speed advantages like hardwareraid
[23:42] <mdel> arays: you should probably check out the "Software Center"
[23:43] <soberb410> arays : ubuntu software centre if I understand your question correctly
[23:43] <aaaaalex> arays, you can also use the software center (for applications) and synaptic (to see the individual packages)
[23:43] <mdel> or
[23:43] <Polah> arays: Ubuntu Software Centre will give you package names for things, or you can install it through the software centre itself by just clicking "install". You can also search the repositories by doing "sudo apt-cache search <term>"
[23:43] <mdel> apt-cache search <term>
[23:43] <Roasted> iceroot, speed isn't a big issue, as it'll just be a simple backup SAN here at home. I just want an easy to setup way to have raid1.
[23:43] <mdel> lol
[23:43] <arays> Alright. Thanks. Also. I noticed I have no sound from anything. Do I visit the Software center for this as well?
[23:43] <iceroot> Roasted: use software-raid1 and create it with the alternate cd
[23:44] <Jorgee> help me with this please? ?Can't locate LWP/Socket.pm in @INC
[23:44] <Roasted> iceroot, that's what I planned on doing. Hey just curious, is it easy to set up raid1 via software raid on an already installed system?
[23:44] <Roasted> iceroot, like what if I slapped in 2 drives into this desktop. would raid1 be easy to set up?
[23:44] <iceroot> Roasted: also you can create a software-raid AFTER an installation too
[23:44] <Polah> Arays: install pulseaudio, or purge and reinstall it. sudo apt-get install pulseaudio and sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio
[23:44] <Roasted> iceroot, hahaha nice. is that painful to do?
[23:44] <iceroot> Roasted: easy is relative
[23:45] <mdel> pain is as well
[23:45] <iceroot> Roasted: just read the text from ubottu and ask if there are open questions
[23:45] <iceroot> !raid | Roasted
[23:45] <iceroot> Roasted: first link
[23:45] <Roasted> iceroot, would I still use the alternate CD to set it up?
[23:45] <aaaaalex> Polah, arays if you run those commands in tha order you will have uninstalle pulseaudio
[23:46] <iceroot> Roasted: if you want create the raid at installation, you need the alternate, else you can setup the raid after installation at any time with the shell
[23:46] <Polah> aaaaalex: Correct. I told him he could try installing it first and if it's already instead, purge it then install it. Perhaps I should have made it more clear: To install it do "sudo apt-get install pulseaudio". If it's already there do "sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio" then "sudo apt-get install pulseaudio" to purge it and reinstall.
[23:46] <Roasted> iceroot, yeah, I'm going to start from ground up here, so I'm downloading the alternate CD. Just for sake of curiosity I was still curious on how to set i up on an already installed system. I'm reading through the link, but I'm not quite sure yet
[23:46] <aaaaalex> arays, are you sure you got all plugged in all right?
[23:47] <iceroot> Roasted: on a running system you just say "i want a raid array" after that you say what drives are part of the raid
[23:47] <Polah> aaaaalex, he left.
[23:47] <Roasted> iceroot, right. but this is done in terminal, right? apt-get install mdadm. sudo mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/drive1 etc
[23:47] <Roasted> iceroot, ist hat correct?
[23:48] <iceroot> Roasted: its something like "mdadm -A /dev/sdX"
[23:48] <aaaaalex> Polah,  okies
[23:48] <iceroot> Roasted: yes sounds correct
[23:48] <iceroot> Roasted: but first you have to say that md0 is raid1
[23:48] <Roasted> iceroot, so if Im running an array and one disk fails, I would have to mdadm --remove (dead drive) then --add /dev/sdanewdrive??
[23:48] <iceroot> Roasted: after that you add drives to md0 as you wrote
[23:49] <venik212> killed knotify4 and no smoke yet... works fine without it
[23:49] <Roasted> iceroot, would the 2nd empty drive I just added auto mirror once I add it to the array?
[23:49] <iceroot> Roasted: i dont know if you have to remove a drive first
[23:49] <arays> My internet disconnected. What was that one command for audio? sudo apt-get pulseaudio?
[23:49] <iceroot> Roasted: yes
[23:49] <Jorgee> help me with this please? ?Can't locate LWP/Socket.pm in @INC
[23:49] <arays> *install
[23:49] <iceroot> Roasted: mdadm is rebuilding the raid then
[23:49] <Roasted> iceroot, nice.
[23:49] <iceroot> Roasted: you can to that at any time, no need at installation
[23:50] <Roasted> iceroot, yeah, I understand.
[23:50] <iceroot> Roasted: but remeber to install grub on sda AND sdb
[23:50] <aaaaalex> arays it should already be installed as it is the default audio server in ubuntu. open the sound preferences and make sure it shows a sound card there under hardware - try testing the speakers
[23:50] <Roasted> iceroot, I was going to install Ubuntu on a flash drive.
[23:50] <iceroot> Roasted: grub (/boot) is not part of the raid
[23:51] <iceroot> Roasted: sorry, /boot is part of the raid but not the bootloader
[23:51] <Roasted> iceroot, thats confusing...
[23:51] <aaaaalex> arays, to do that, you right click on the little speaker close to the top right corner of your screen  -  also make sure your sound is not muted or set to 0
[23:51] <iceroot> Roasted: master-boot-record is not part of the raid
[23:51] <aguitel> i am in 10.04 with nvidia-17 driver ,i installed ppa x-swat repo with last nvidia-173 driver but when i restart the system keyboard and mouse aren't working ,anyone know this?
[23:51] <mdel> iceroot: any ideas on the proper ppa for freenx on natty?
[23:51] <iceroot> Roasted: so if you have a raid and grub is only installed on sda, you cant boot from sdb
[23:51] <iceroot> mdel: sorry
[23:52] <iceroot> Roasted: so you have to install grub in sdb also
[23:52] <arays> aaaaalex: Thanks, alex. It wasn't showing anything but I selected it.
[23:52] <arays> Now I have sound. Thank you very much!
[23:52] <Roasted> iceroot, thats only important if sda fails, then sdb cannot boot, right?
[23:52] <iceroot> Roasted: correct
[23:52] <Roasted> iceroot, but if I install ito n a flash drive... I don't need to bother
[23:52] <aaaaalex> arays welcome to ubuntu :-D
[23:52] <iceroot> Roasted: they fail also
[23:52] <Roasted> iceroot, right, but that was still my intention
[23:53] <Roasted> iceroot, do the drives in raid1 have to be identical?
[23:53] <iceroot> Roasted: the size, yes
[23:53] <iceroot> Roasted: its also a very good idea to have the same speed on both
[23:54] <Roasted> iceroot, I have two 80gb drives, but they arent identical in MB size
[23:54] <Roasted> iceroot, theyre like 76800 and 76450
[23:54] <iceroot> Roasted: or better, the partitions have to be the same size, the complete drive size doesnt matter
[23:54] <iceroot> Roasted: you are building raid on partitions not on complete drives
[23:54] <Roasted> iceroot, good point.
[23:55] <iceroot> Roasted: install on a single drive, copy the partion layout (first 512 byte with dd) and then create md0 and add partitions on it, install grub in sdb and thats all
[23:56] <Roasted> iceroot, I cant install grub on both drives during the install process tho, can I
[23:56] <iceroot> Roasted: dont know if the installer can do it
[23:56] <iceroot> Roasted: sudo grub-install /dev/sdb  should do the job
[23:57] <Roasted> iceroot, good deal.
[23:57] <Roasted> iceroot, appreciate your tiem
[23:57] <acfrazier> I can't seem to get my S/PDIF optical out working under 11.04
[23:57] <Roasted> time*
[23:57] <acfrazier> analog was working
[23:57] <Jorgee> Can't locate LWP/Socket.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . Modules)
[23:57] <iceroot> Roasted: no problem, but now its time to sleep :)
[23:57] <acfrazier> they're not muted
[23:57] <Roasted> iceroot, take it easy!
[23:58] <iceroot> Jorgee: search with "apt-file" which package contains the Socket.pm and install it
[23:58] <tase> since I upgraded to 11.04 ubuntu/firefox has been incredibly slow at browsing, wtf
[23:58] <acfrazier> How can I get the optical out working? I tried setting the volume to 0, muting/unmuting, etc
[23:59] <Jorgee> iceroot how ican put hte command apt-file search ?


[00:08] <mpt> ^_^
[00:08] <mpt> Hey lifeless
[00:08] <mpt> Accept no imitations!
[00:08] <lifeless> o/
[00:17] <lifeless> mpt: speak up :)
[00:20] <mpt> At least once we get the graph showing something sensible, it should be moving around just as much five years from now as it is the first week
[00:20] <mpt> (That's not a goal, but it would be an emergent property of doing the right thing)
[00:23] <mpt> There's a tradeoff between alerting developers promptly to a sudden problem (which should show up as a dip in the graph), vs. being accurate (which requires taking a longer-duration sample)
[00:23] <mpt> compare http://arewefastyet.com/ (which used to be much more interesting than it is now)
[00:24] <mpt> Agreed on only a few days old by default
[00:25] <mpt> I can hear lifeless fine
[00:25] <mpt> but at the expense of hearing it 10 seconds late
[00:25] <mpt> (where by "it" I mean "everything", sorry lifeless)
[00:28] <mpt> (or more likely, increases)
[00:29] <mpt> They're correlated to the extent that more computers make it a bit more likely that their problems will be unique
[00:29] <mpt> We could fiddle that somehow by only counting machines that have reported at least 2 problems, or somethng like that
[00:32] <lifeless> mpt: they are, OTOH more machines also means more reporting of common problems :)
[00:32] <mpt> sure
[00:32] <lifeless> mpt: so both more density and a longer tail, if you do a histogram
[00:32] <mpt> exactly
[00:54] <mpt> Oh, lifeless has eyes now
[00:54] <lifeless> o-o
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[01:00] <lifeless> wow, skype uses a full core
[01:00] <lifeless> nonstop, fingers burning on keyboard
[16:11]  * cmagina is currently running a multi node hadoop on arm
[16:11] <cmagina> via openjdk
[16:41] <dannf> it isn't uncommon for a lot of network traffic to "take out" a bmc - even on modern intel-based systems
[16:45] <dannf> broadcast ping will suffer from ^
[16:49] <dannf> right - i'm just saying that "network storms" can make some bmcs unresponsive
[16:49] <dannf> but yeah, unicast response helps that
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[17:59] <xnox> mpt: are you attending this session? would you like g+ and or skype?
[18:00] <mpt> xnox, Skype would be good, thanks
[18:03] <mpt> You don't have to stay here, I'm also listening to the streaming audio
[18:05] <Chipaca> mpt: i can give you video via skype or g+ if you wish
[18:09] <mpt> If submitting from a PPA is a common action, maybe we should add a link to that from the PPA page (showing up if you're the PPA admin)
[18:12] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Submissions/Request
[18:17] <mpt> The #1 problem with changelogs is that they currently aren't written for users
[18:18] <mpt> The problem with putting any changes in the description is that it doesn't know which version you currently have installed
[18:19] <mpt> I can, but the audio lags behind reality by about 10 seconds so I'd almost certainly interrupt someone
[18:19] <mpt> :-)
[18:25] <mpt> Adding a link wrapped in a permission would be, like, 20 lines of diff
[18:25] <mpt> It's not rocket surgery
[18:25] <ajmitch> just setting up LP & writing tests can take some time :)
[18:32]  * mpt waves to akk
[18:33] <akk> hi, mpt
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[18:50] <mpt> no worries
[18:50] <ChipaPhone> so is the session:)
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[19:00] <Chipaca> ahhh.... moar batteries
[19:04] <mpt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines
[19:14] <mpt> How about *nearly* full home/usr partition?
[19:14] <mpt> because it's likely to become full in the near future
[19:16] <mpt> Possibly-crappy network info might belong in the Network settings panel
[19:17] <mpt> (I haven't seen the screenshot you're referring to)
[19:18] <mpt> Maybe a nearly-full warning should be megabyte-based, not percentage-based
[19:18] <mpt> ah, joy, notify-osd fallback
[19:23] <mpt> That sounds like reasonable
[19:24] <mpt> For each kind of warning, the design needs to include what advice to offer
[19:24] <mpt> on how to fix the problem
[19:25] <mpt> ---
[19:25] <mpt> You don't care that a USB key is nearly full either, probably -- more about /home and /usr
[19:25] <mpt> ---
[19:26] <mpt> ... For each warning type, we also need to think about when to present it -- for example, if a problem happens that will prevent you from logging in, we should present that not just immediately, but also when you try to log out, shut down, etc
[19:34] <mpt> ---
[19:35] <mpt> I suggest that each event have one work item for the design and one work item for the implementation
[19:35] <mpt> It's unlikely that they will all be designed, or all implemented, at once
[19:36] <mpt> ok :-)
[19:49] <mpt> ---
[19:49] <mpt> That software update redness is going away in 12.10
[19:49] <mpt> (because software updates itselfis going away from the system menu)
[19:50] <mpt> Update Manager already tells you if you need to restart. If you don't immediately, you're not any less secure than you were before you installed the update.
[19:51] <mpt> No, it's an alert box
[19:52] <mpt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#alert
[19:52] <mpt> (but that may need work to highlight when updates are security updates)
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[19:57] <mpt> Yes, I'd love to help with the design
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[19:58] <mpt> Lunchtime for me too
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[22:05] <benonsoftware> Yay :D
[22:08] <daker_> 5/5
[22:08] <sagaci> HEY ALL YOU PEOPLE
[22:08] <benonsoftware> Hiya sagaci
[22:09]  * benonsoftware is sitting in a chair waiting
[22:09] <benonsoftware> I have no sound :(
[22:09] <sagaci> watch the etherpad
[22:10] <daker_> benonsoftware: the stream is working
[22:10] <benonsoftware> daker_: I have no sound card :(
[22:10] <benonsoftware> I will :P
[22:10] <daker_> ah
[22:10] <benonsoftware> I will download the audio once it's finished though
[22:11] <benonsoftware> Hiya philipballew
[22:12] <philipballew> hello benonsoftware
[22:12] <benonsoftware> Let's get started :D
[22:12] <benonsoftware> BDFL?
[22:13] <JoseeAntonioR> Benevolent Dictator For Life
[22:13] <benonsoftware> Ah
[22:14] <daker_> +1 for social media
[22:15] <daker_> weekly/monthly hangout on G+ ?
[22:18] <philipballew> daker_, you down to help with me on a once a month google hangout?
[22:18] <daker_> will try
[22:18] <benonsoftware> I'll help out if I can get WiFi
[22:19] <benonsoftware> Credit to philipballew for Classroom sessions
[22:20] <benonsoftware> I'm all for helping setup the sessions, just need people to run them
[22:20] <philipballew> daker_, ill add me and you to the wiki
[22:20] <benonsoftware> May I say something about the elections?
[22:21] <philipballew> go for it
[22:21] <benonsoftware> I suggest we have a election for all couincil members soon as it has been a long time since one has happened and some are not active with Ubuntu and IRC anymore
[22:22] <benonsoftware> Daniel Bugl is one person who  has stopped using IRC for a while
[22:24] <benonsoftware> I would say 3 months is too short
[22:24] <benonsoftware> I would say 12 months
[22:25] <benonsoftware> philipballew: have you gotten a response from the other council members yet?
[22:26] <philipballew> no
[22:27] <benonsoftware> Hmm, that is troubleing
[22:27] <philipballew> hints the reelection I guess
[22:27] <benonsoftware> philipballew: Yes, that is why electiuon would be good
[22:28] <benonsoftware> But who should run?, how do we say you can/cannot run for election?
[22:28] <benonsoftware> By, Should every current council member allowed to campaign if that means can they run again I would say yes
[22:29] <bilal> benonsoftware: yes, every current member would be a candidate for the next election by default
[22:29] <bilal> they could opt out though
[22:29] <benonsoftware> Yes
[22:30] <benonsoftware> philipballew: As you are TL when do you rthink will be a good time to run elections?
[22:32] <benonsoftware> What was that?
[22:37] <benonsoftware> Ah, never mind
[22:40] <benonsoftware> Sorry about that
[22:48]  * benonsoftware has to leave shortly
[22:48] <bilal> benonsoftware: we've wrapped up
[22:48] <bilal> benonsoftware: so... :)
[22:49] <benonsoftware> Ah, okies
[22:49] <benonsoftware> Could someone ping me once the audi ofile is uploaded
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[23:14] <mpt> hi
[23:52] <mpt> The hardware IDs are already not personally identifiable. The privacy issue has never been the presence of the hardware ID, it's been that the crash report might contain *other* personally identifable information. Right?
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