[12:38] <johng> k31th: well at least they use real fish in the chip shop
[12:38] <k31th> true
[12:38] <k31th> not fake cow buger
[12:38] <k31th> burger !
[12:38] <johng> lol
[12:39] <k31th> im not suggesting some one fakes buggering a cow
[12:39] <k31th> johng: wat you do for a job in london
[12:39] <IIIEars> (suddenly loses appetitie)
[12:39] <k31th> IIIEars:  lol
[12:39] <Seveas> k31th, johng, please try to keep it on-topic :)
[12:40] <siimo> any idea what that restart command means
[12:40] <Fator_Dee> atleast I know what I'm going to eat, porridge \o/
[12:40] <johng> k31th: I am on my placement from uni, I work for the gov as systems engineer
[12:40] <k31th> Seveas: there opensource chips :)
[12:40] <Seveas> k31th...
[12:40] <k31th> sorry :D
[12:41] <MattFlet> I'm trying to install kubuntu hoary on my work machine and the installer hangs at the message "Initializing USB mass storagte device..." anyone have any ideas?
[12:41] <upgrdman> anyone know if using the samba server will limit my file size? I'm gonna be using ext3 on the partition i will be sharing, and i'm wondering if that stupid 2GB or is it 4GB file-size-limit that fat32 has will affect me? e.g. does samba even act like fat32?
[12:41] <upgrdman> oh and, whats the file size limit for ext3?
[12:41] <k31th> MattFlet: do you have a usb pen in there /.
[12:41] <k31th> ?*
[12:41] <geoffroy_> hey hey
[12:41] <MattFlet> no. i have a usb mouse, which i tried disconnecting
[12:41] <Seveas> upgrdman, smb has no filesize limit
[12:41] <MattFlet> and it still hung there
[12:41] <upgrdman> sweet
[12:41] <geoffroy_> do you know a itunes like on ubuntu ?
[12:41] <k31th> upgrdman: iirc there is no file size limit on ext3
[12:42] <geoffroy_> i don't like music player installed by default
[12:42] <siimo> does anyone know what this line means : May 12 13:49:33 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#16ubuntu6: restart.
[12:42] <johng> we should develop gfishnchips then we could talk about it
[12:42] <IIIEars> MattFlet - is it a laptop?
[12:42] <Seveas> siimo, that your system logger has been restarted
[12:42] <MattFlet> no a desktop machine
[12:42] <k31th> MattFlet: is the disc bad
[12:42] <upgrdman> k31th, oh good! i have to do a dd-rescue to a dieing 250GB hdd.... and my new fileserver that im construction has a 500GB lvm partition
[12:42] <k31th> did you md5
[12:42] <Seveas> k31th, there always is a file size limit
[12:42] <Seveas> the size of your HD :)
[12:42] <k31th> Seveas: really ?
[12:42] <k31th> oh
[12:42] <MattFlet> the only other usb-type thing it has is a media card reader. that is internal but i assume it connects via a usb header somehow
[12:42] <k31th> lol
[12:43] <MattFlet> no, disc is good, installed on another machine
[12:43] <k31th> MattFlet: thats will do it
[12:43] <upgrdman> thank god my room has it own gigabit ethernet switch
[12:43] <MattFlet> the media card reader?
[12:43] <k31th> is there a flash media card in there ?
[12:43] <IIIEars> :? - i had no problems with any USB devices and got a ton...
[12:43] <MattFlet> no, it's empty
[12:43] <upgrdman> doing a dd-rescue of a 250GB drive to a fileserver in my clost would take forever otherwise
[12:43] <Seveas> MattFlet, file a bug in the bugzilla against the installer, try to include as much hardware info as you can
[12:44] <Seveas> upgrdman, hmm :)
[12:44] <k31th> upgrdman: lol
[12:44] <Seveas> try to do it via a serial cable :)
[12:44] <k31th> i must sort my self out with a raid 5 of at least 500 gigs
[12:44] <IIIEars> There must be an install log recording the errors - where do you look for it?
[12:44] <MattFlet> ok i will do. where can i get hardware info like that? and is there a way round the problem? i don't use the reader, so maybe if i disable it in the BIOS somehow that would get round it
[12:45] <Seveas> /var/log/debian-installer
[12:45] <k31th> dmesg ?
[12:45] <k31th> yeah or there
[12:45] <k31th> lol
[12:45] <johng> does ne one run ubuntu on a semperon cpu?
[12:45] <k31th> johng: not I
[12:45] <MattFlet> johng, i do
[12:45] <k31th> athlons clocked to hell
[12:45] <MattFlet> it runs fine
[12:45] <Juhaz> some may run ubuntu on sempron, but I doubt anyone does on semperon
[12:45] <Aemaeth> ill be attempting it on a thoroughbred 2morrow
[12:45] <k31th> and a celeron 2.5gig
[12:45] <johng> cool, I was thinking about getting one for a seperate box
[12:46] <k31th> johng: yes there cheap
[12:46] <k31th> when i upgrade my main box ill be using mine as a NAS
[12:46] <johng> I have a pile of ram and a hard drive so I just want something cheap to use em on
[12:47] <IIIEars> k31th - sounds cool - printserver also?
[12:47] <MattFlet> i believe the slower semprons are overclocked athlons, whereas the faster ones are a different chip. my sempron 2800 is borderline, so i don't honestly know which it is. it's plenty fast enough to dual boot windows media center 2005 and kubuntu hoary
[12:47] <k31th> ill get one of those 5 port netgear gigabit switches for home as well there only  36 uk pounds
[12:47] <k31th> IIIEars: i cant get my crappy usb printer to work in linux
[12:47] <Juhaz> MattFlet, socket-a semprons are basically renamed athlon x
[12:47] <johng> thanks MattFlet
[12:47] <Juhaz> xp
[12:47] <k31th> its a canon
[12:48] <Aemaeth> anyone know if hoary is shipping yet?
[12:48] <Juhaz> socket-754 semprons are more or less equivalent to athlon 64's with 64-bit mode disabled
[12:48] <Seveas> Aemaeth, it is
[12:48] <Aemaeth> good
[12:48] <Aemaeth> cos i put myself down for some
[12:48] <k31th> yup athlons are no more apart for 64's have you looked into getting a athlon mbile from overclockers.co.uk johng
[12:48] <johng> I have an athlon xp 3200 what are they like compared to those?
[12:48] <Aemaeth> cos i only have a cd of the previous one
[12:48] <k31th> they have a very low vcore voltage and clock very well
[12:48] <IIIEars> Canon makes a good printer - I am stuck with a noisy HP.
[12:49] <k31th> IIIEars: yeah the printer its self is good
[12:49] <k31th> but its usb
[12:49] <k31th> and i cant get it working tbh i havent put that much time into it
[12:49] <IIIEars> so is mine
[12:49] <k31th> yet...
[12:49] <johng> a 64 would be nice but I just need a cheap second pc really
[12:49] <k31th> yeah
[12:49] <johng> 64 for my main pc in the future I think
[12:49] <k31th> dual cores will be out soon
[12:50] <johng> i kno they are so sweet!
[12:50] <k31th> im goin for a 64 if i dont hold out for the amd dualcore
[12:50] <k31th> probly be to expensive to start out
[12:50] <johng> yeh they r gona cost a bomb
[12:50] <k31th> i need a nvidia gfx card as well
[12:50] <MattFlet> here's my cheap pc, 350 plus a HDD and RAM, which I reused: http://matt-fletcher.co.uk/newpc/
[12:51] <k31th> ati sux in nix with my experiance
[12:51] <k31th> im going to build a ubber linux box
[12:51] <MattFlet> it runs ubuntu fine, as well as win mce 2005
[12:51] <johng> i have a 9600 xt
[12:51] <k31th> humm wats that like
[12:51] <k31th> iv currently got a 9800 pro
[12:52] <johng> not great for linux
[12:52] <Juhaz> johng, the pricing for the first amd dualcores was already released, there's no "probly" about it any more, cheapest one starts at $500
[12:52] <johng> Juhaz: ouch!
[12:52] <k31th> i see... i want to get cedega working properly for hl2 and css so i dont  have to bother with windows
[12:52] <johng> thats the dream k31th
[12:53] <k31th> lol
[12:53] <k31th> yeah
[12:53] <johng> but then the next great game comes along and bites u in the ass
[12:53] <IIIEars> even if 500 seemed affordable the mobo is going to be pricey for awhile too.
[12:53] <Juhaz> johng, although they'll probably make slower and cheaper ones later, but in the beginning they don't want to compete with their own mainstream 64's
[12:53] <k31th> brb going to the GNU chipshop
[12:53] <johng> dam u k31th!!!
[12:53] <k31th> johng:  true
[12:53] <k31th> i got hl2 running in it tho
[12:54] <johng> whats the speed like?
[12:54] <Juhaz> IIIEars, the nice thing about amd dualcores is that they don't need a new mobo, if you've got older s-939 board it should be able to handle them with just a bios update
[12:55] <IIIEars> GreaT! :)        - (oops gotta okay it with the wife. darn...)
[12:55] <johng> thanks Juhaz, I guess I could get a regular 64 to tide me over
[12:55] <upgrdman_> yay im back
[12:55] <upgrdman_> ok
[12:55] <upgrdman_> um
[12:56] <johng> hey MattFlet how is the freeview tuner in ur media box?
[12:57] <upgrdman_> i want to add another raid1 array, and loved how i could do it with the install cd... but unfortunatly, the reason why i didnt do it while installing was i can only have 4 ide devices, and i had four ide hdd's.... so one that was going to participate in the raid1 array had to be unplugged so i could plug in my cdrom drive...
[12:57] <upgrdman_> what should i do...
[12:57] <upgrdman_> is there a nice cli tool i can use within ubuntu?
[01:01] <k31th> back
[01:02] <johng> k31th did u get ur chips?
[01:02] <Seveas> how are your gfishnchips? :)
[01:02] <yo2lux> I want to use Mozilla Firefox 1.0.4 on Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary, exist a way to upgrade the existent Firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 ?
[01:02] <k31th> well actually
[01:02] <k31th> i got to wait 5 mins
[01:02] <ram_einstein> hi all, I just switched to ubuntu
[01:02] <k31th> so i got a tuna roll and some cookies to tie me over for 5 mins
[01:03] <johng> haah
[01:03] <ram_einstein> I have an nVidia chipset and Geforce 2 Genericonboard graphics card 32 MB RAM. Where can I get a driver?
[01:03] <k31th> i need to put on weight :p
[01:03] <johng> thats the starter
[01:03] <ram_einstein> *generic onboard
[01:03] <forsaker8k6> hi people...
[01:03] <forsaker8k6> i'm just upgrading to breezy... how much time will it take for me to regret?
[01:03] <k31th> lol
[01:04] <johng> wow ur keen forsaker8k6
[01:04] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, about 4 days
[01:04] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, because then a massive toolchain transition starts
[01:04] <johng> lmao
[01:04] <forsaker8k6> Oo
[01:04] <ram_einstein> nVidia chipset Geforce 2 Generic driver please...
[01:05] <Seveas> ram_einstein, read the BinaryDriver page on the ubuntu wiki
[01:05] <k31th> ubuntu will get wicked popular now esp with  drake only  doing 1 release a yr unless u pay
[01:05] <forsaker8k6> wow... i have only four days left to live
[01:05] <ram_einstein> okay Seveas
[01:05] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, if you can stop the upgrade, please DO
[01:05] <Seveas> breezy is NOT ready for the general public yet
[01:05] <forsaker8k6> well.. i could stop it
[01:05] <forsaker8k6> but it's stronger then me
[01:05] <johng> ubuntu us the daddy lets face it k31th
[01:05] <goo> Seveas: sounds like Desbian Sid...
[01:05] <yo2lux> I want to use Mozilla Firefox 1.0.4 on Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary, exist a way to upgrade the existent Firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 ?
[01:06] <Seveas> goo, ubuntu is a stable SID
[01:06] <Seveas> yo2lux, just wait, it will be released within ubuntu
[01:06] <forsaker8k6> i am at 23 percent of fetching... don't know what to do....
[01:06] <goo> Seveas: yeah, and that's why I use Ubuntu, not Debian Sid as I used to before :)
[01:06] <goo> <- General public
[01:06] <k31th> dpes ubuntu actually have employees or is it community only
[01:06] <k31th> does*
[01:06] <k31th> like gentoo and debian
[01:07] <johng> both
[01:07] <k31th> kool
[01:07] <Seveas> ubuntu is sponsored by canonical, they pay people to work on ubuntu
[01:07] <k31th> they should employee me im 1337
[01:07] <Seveas> and they pay for the hosting and the free cd's
[01:07] <johng> no u will only be 1337 when u open gnuchips
[01:07] <k31th> all i ask for is a local chipshop
[01:07] <Fator_Dee> from where Canonical gets money :-\
[01:08] <k31th> yup
[01:08] <Fator_Dee> what it does?
[01:08] <k31th> that free cd thing is awsome i might order some
[01:08] <k31th> tbh tho i wouldnt mind paying for a pressed cd
[01:08] <k31th> i feel kinda skanky getting it fr free lol
[01:08] <liable> forsaker8k6: you can stop it, change your sources back and all will be good
[01:08] <Seveas> Fator_Dee, from tech support
[01:08] <johng> get a load and give them to ur mates
[01:09] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, please stop the upgrade :)
[01:09] <forsaker8k6> liable, i know i can stop it... but i don't know if I want to stop it
[01:09] <forsaker8k6> ok ok i'll do
[01:09] <k31th> johng: yeah good thinking
[01:09] <k31th> ill do it now...
[01:09] <forsaker8k6> uff... stopped :P
[01:09] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, just wait a few weeks until this hurdle is done
[01:09] <karljp> is there anywhere that is tracking progress on breezy?  the udu/breezygoals page is good, but is there anything else?
[01:09] <forsaker8k6> ok.. i'll do tnx for the support :D
[01:09] <johng> people are more likely to try it if u give them a pressed cd
[01:09] <Seveas> karljp, #ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-devel mailing list...
[01:10] <karljp> seveas: fair enough, I guess I was after some nicely summarized thing like the breezygoals page, that I could just check and see new stuff :)
[01:10] <karljp> I guess it's not that important that I want to browse mail archives :)
[01:10] <Seveas> :)
[01:11] <the_berzerker> hey everyone
[01:11] <Seveas> hi
[01:11] <odyssey> hi dr nic
[01:11] <the_berzerker> i have a problem with my onboard via km400 vga
[01:12] <k31th> how many cds can i request?
[01:12] <johng> loads
[01:12] <karljp> as many as you want
[01:12] <johng> I got 50
[01:12] <k31th> 50 went thru ok ?
[01:12] <karljp> it's just karma you're burning if you don't really need them
[01:12] <Seveas> k31th, just be reasonable about 20-30 is normal
[01:12] <johng> I am giving loads out at work tho Seveas
[01:12] <geoffroy_> hey dudes
[01:13] <k31th> as i work in a pc shop / contractor so i could probly dash out tonnes
[01:13] <geoffroy_> i've got a stupid question as usual
[01:13] <the_berzerker> it is perfectly recognized but it doesn't support direc rendering
[01:13] <Seveas> johng, then order more :)
[01:13] <BrianB04> Hello all
[01:13] <geoffroy_> \\\\lala\E      /home/geoffroy/Desktop/E        smbfs   rw,user=Geoffroy,guest 0
[01:13] <johng> heh
[01:13] <geoffroy_> in fstab, it doesn't work
[01:13] <Seveas> 0 0
[01:13] <Seveas> not a single 0
[01:13] <k31th> thing is i dont mind burning some if it helps them out
[01:13] <geoffroy_> yeah yeah i've put a double 0
[01:13] <k31th> wats karma ?
[01:13] <Seveas> and in fstab it might have to be //lala/E
[01:13] <the_berzerker> can anyone help?
[01:13] <geoffroy_> aah!
[01:13] <johng> I think u put it on ur chips
[01:14] <geoffroy_> i try
[01:14] <geoffroy_> thx
[01:14] <the_berzerker> anyone?
[01:14] <forsaker8k6> ask the_berzerker.. someone (not me, i'm not able to) will surely help you
[01:15] <k31th> brb chipshop
[01:15] <ram_einstein> I have a doubt: In synaptic, I enabled the following two repos: ubuntu 5.04 updates, ubuntu 5.04 security updates. Are they official? If so why weren't they enabled by default?
[01:15] <k31th> FFS!!!!!!!!!! windows update just rebooted my pc with ubuntu bootable downloading on
[01:15] <Seveas> ram_einstein, they are official
[01:15] <k31th> normally it asks but no it just reboots
[01:16] <k31th> thanks bill
[01:16] <johng> k31th thats the magic of winxp
[01:16] <k31th> thanks again
[01:16] <forsaker8k6> k31th... never trust in mS things
[01:16] <k31th> its 2000
[01:16] <ram_einstein> Seveas, my second question then: why aren't they enabled by default?
[01:16] <k31th> grrr
[01:16] <Seveas> ram_einstein, ENOCLUE
[01:16] <johng> u using a dowload manager?
[01:16] <ram_einstein> okay thanks Seveas
[01:17] <odyssey> k31th, it can sense that it is threatend
[01:17] <johng> lol
[01:17] <forsaker8k6> ok... gotta go... thank you again for saving my life (and morover my psychic sanity) :P
[01:17] <the_berzerker> can anyone help with my problem? i have searched and searched google but i'm kinda lost
[01:18] <ram_einstein> doubt: what is my root password? I was never asked during the installation
[01:18] <ram_einstein> how do I reset/change it?
[01:19] <forsaker8k6> ram_einstein, is your users' password by default
[01:19] <k31th> odyssey: lol
[01:19] <ram_einstein> no forsaker8k6 user's password is user's password
[01:19] <mjr> ram_einstein, there is no root password by default, use sudo
[01:19] <k31th> odyssey: its safe untill i can vpn thru nat on the fly in ubuntu
[01:19] <ram_einstein> mjr, exactly, how do I su?
[01:19] <ram_einstein> su root that is
[01:19] <D4vid> ram_einstein, i thinq you have to read faqs ;)
[01:19] <mjr> ram_einstein, sudo -s with your user pass
[01:19] <ram_einstein> D4vid, read it
[01:20] <ram_einstein> :( can't I su root?
[01:20] <goo> ram_einstein:  do like so:  sudo su -
[01:20] <the_berzerker> hey need some of your wisdom here
[01:20] <D4vid> ram_einstein, it's what i done for the same question ;)
[01:20] <mjr> ram_einstein, it's the same effect
[01:20] <goo> ram_einstein: then do   passwd
[01:20] <goo> ram_einstein:  and it will all be normal again :)
[01:20] <ram_einstein> okay goo one sec
[01:21] <ram_einstein> thanks goo! It worked!
[01:21] <goo> ram_einstein: hooray :)
[01:21] <ram_einstein> hoary goo, I'm on hoary
[01:21] <Ribs> How can I make Ubuntu x86_64 play .wma files?
[01:22] <goo> ram_einstein: but get used to using sudo, it's really nice.
[01:22] <goo> ram_einstein: lol :))
[01:22] <ram_einstein> :)
[01:22] <ram_einstein> okay goo
[01:23] <the_berzerker> i have a problem with my onboard via km400 vga
[01:23] <the_berzerker> it is perfectly recognized but it doesn't support direct rendering
[01:23] <ram_einstein> I have another doubt: does /etc/apt/sources.list contain more repos than /etc/apt/sources.list_backup by default
[01:23] <the_berzerker> and the via_dri.so module is missing
[01:23] <ram_einstein> I'll just vim it...
[01:24] <the_berzerker> help...............
[01:25] <the_berzerker> anyone?
[01:26] <dap> hello friends
[01:26] <goldfish> hi
[01:26] <liable> the_berzerker: are you sure that even supports 3d?
[01:26] <k31th> hi
[01:27] <dap> this chat is beautiful!!! for ubuntu
[01:27] <Seveas> :)
[01:27] <k31th> ?
[01:27] <k31th> the_berzerker: watsup?
[01:30] <Lumpio-> Hi. I'm having a bit of trouble getting my wlan connection to automatically connect in Ubuntu. I'm using ndiswrapper (which loads and works fine) but I always need to manually run ifconfig wlan0 up and dhclient to get it to work.
[01:30] <Seveas> Lumpio-, have you added it to your interfaces file?
[01:31] <the_berzerker> the card supports 3d
[01:31] <the_berzerker> in windows it works fine
[01:31] <the_berzerker> in suse 9.2 a friend made it work
[01:31] <k31th> the_berzerker: wat card
[01:31] <the_berzerker> but i got rid of suse (at last:D)
[01:31] <the_berzerker> a via km400
[01:31] <the_berzerker> and i don't know how to configure it to enable dri
[01:32] <k31th> b in your xorg.conf
[01:32] <Choubaka> Lumpio-: hmm
[01:32] <k31th> in the modules load section
[01:32] <Lumpio-> Oh, heh, looks like I haven't.
[01:32] <Lumpio-> Kinda new to all this :\
[01:32] <Choubaka> Lumpio-: /etc/network/interfaces will solve your problem
[01:32] <Lumpio-> Also, the GUI network configuration thing reports that it doesn't support the platform (it only started doing it a while ago)
[01:33] <Choubaka> add these two lines there:
[01:33] <Choubaka> auto wlan0
[01:33] <Lumpio-> But I'm gonna go modify the interfaces file now.
[01:33] <Choubaka> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[01:33] <Lumpio-> Oh, thanks. Didn't even have to google
[01:33] <Choubaka> that ought to do it.
[01:33] <Choubaka> man interfaces if it doesn't :D
[01:34] <k31th> starwars is out soon
[01:35] <Lumpio-> Do I need to reboot the whole system to see if it works?
[01:35] <Choubaka> well, yeah.
[01:35] <Choubaka> but don't do it
[01:35] <Choubaka> :P
[01:35] <Choubaka> that would be silly.
[01:35] <Choubaka> Just come back here if it doesn't work the next time you boot
[01:36] <Lumpio-> Heh, okay.
[01:36] <Choubaka> or hmm
[01:36] <Lumpio-> Thanks.
[01:36] <Choubaka> try /etc/init.d/networking stop and /etc/init.d/networking start
[01:36] <k31th> im failing quite badly at getting this knoppix to boot in windoze
[01:36] <Choubaka> it'll cut your net though.
[01:36] <the_berzerker> has anyone had a similar problem?
[01:37] <Choubaka> k31th: knoppix boot to windows? :|
[01:37] <Choubaka> wrd.
[01:37] <BrianB04> Hey all, I have kind of a stupid question. Currently in the LiveCD of Ubuntu. I have a SB Audigy 2 in the computer, and the live cd didn't detect it, is the Audigy not supported?
[01:37] <Lumpio-> Still here...
[01:37] <Choubaka> wtf*
[01:37] <k31th> Choubaka: yes there is a modded version out that runs in a window in windows
[01:37] <k31th> so linux ina  window basicaly
[01:37] <Choubaka> ahh, right.
[01:37] <Choubaka> I guess it's coLinux or something?
[01:38] <Lumpio-> Perfection.
[01:38] <k31th> be nice if it worked
[01:38] <Choubaka> And you're yet another Finn. o/
[01:39] <syren> anyone using VLC for Ubuntu?
[01:39] <Choubaka> yes.
[01:39] <syren> can you help me?
[01:39] <syren> ehm
[01:39] <BrianB04> Granted, I could swap to the Live 5.1...but...
[01:39] <Choubaka> syren: What is the problem?
[01:39] <syren> when i watch a movie..
[01:39] <Choubaka> BrianB04: I thought SBs were quite nicely supported.
[01:39] <syren> "Always on Top" wont work :(
[01:39] <syren> and sometimes the subtitles wont show..
[01:40] <Choubaka> oh. Hmm
[01:40] <BrianB04> Chou: Well, it doesn't even show up in the volume system:) Nothing showing up.
[01:40] <Choubaka> I have no experience of either of those features .P
[01:40] <syren> damn! :P
[01:40] <Choubaka> But what do you mean with always on top?
[01:40] <syren> i mean like
[01:40] <syren> right click on the picture and a menu comes up
[01:41] <syren> there you can choose always on top..
[01:41] <BrianB04> Let's do a search on the internet, see if this problem has come up before.
[01:41] <syren> its good for.. like.. when you're surfing on the web..
[01:41] <syren> then you can watch a movie at the same time :)
[01:41] <Choubaka> it works for me :/
[01:41] <Choubaka> but hmm
[01:41] <syren> waaah.. :(
[01:42] <Choubaka> only if I click the titlebar and select always on top from there
[01:42] <syren> got version 0.8.1
[01:42] <Choubaka> sounds like a bug...
[01:42] <syren> still wont work :/
[01:42] <Choubaka> did you click on the titlebar? that which shows "VLC media player"
[01:43] <syren> yeah..
[01:43] <Choubaka> I'm using XFCE4 so maybe my WM handles stuff differently
[01:43] <Choubaka> but it works :/
[01:43] <syren> hmm
[01:43] <syren> you think a reinstall would work?
[01:43] <Choubaka> reinstall of what?
[01:43] <syren> VLC
[01:43] <Choubaka> I doubt it.
[01:44] <syren> hmm :(
[01:45] <synic> BrianB04: what version of the livecd?
[01:45] <BrianB04> synic: Brand new one...just downloaded it this morning.
[01:45] <BrianB04> synic: 5.04 Live.
[01:46] <syren> and anyone know why i cant write an at? :/
[01:46] <the_berzerker> k31th: i don't have direct rendering
[01:46] <Choubaka> syren: at?
[01:46] <BrianB04> synic: I would try insmod'ing the module that runs the SB cards, but I can't, for the life of me, remember the name.
[01:46] <synic> BrianB04: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-213582.html
[01:47] <Choubaka> BrianB04: emu10k or something
[01:47] <Choubaka> maybe snd_emu10k
[01:47] <BrianB04> emu10k1...actually, that's it.
[01:47] <Choubaka> ok. :)
[01:47] <synic> isn't that just for sb live?
[01:47] <Raptoid> 5.1 dont actually ?
[01:48] <Kamping_in_doze> how do i set X to listen for a remote server?
[01:49] <k31th> dammit he left
[01:49] <k31th> i only went to get a cup of tea
[01:50] <BrianB04> I just think it's cool that it managed to setup 1600x1024 @ 75 hz without the weird jumping in the corners that I constantly get in WIndows
[01:51] <lesshaste> is it possible to use cd-rw as big floppies in ubuntu. I.e. packet-writing etc.
[01:52] <lesshaste> or do you still have to use like reusable cd-r's ?
[01:52] <syren> does linux drivers for Audigy 2 ZS exist?
[01:52] <BrianB04> Need to install the nvidia drivers though, when I finally install to drive.
[01:55] <BrianB04> Now, comes the reall tricky part, finding a very, very, very niche piece of software for Linux
[01:55] <k31th> i just made a 1337 coffee coaster from a cd burn gone wrong
[01:55] <owen> will using the proper ati drivers improve normal performance? ie not games
[01:55] <icebalm> yay for coasters
[01:55] <k31th> wrote 1337 on it and used it for my mug
[01:55] <k31th> owen: no
[01:55] <BrianB04> k31th, AOL CDs make wonderful coasters
[01:56] <k31th> ha ha ha
[01:56] <k31th> aol cds go in my bin
[01:56] <owen> y not
[01:56] <k31th> i threw the last lot in the bin, went to some customers house had to get there modem and cd. wind blew the aol cd out of my hand and flew down the road !
[01:57] <k31th> my friends found it quite amusing that i was ringing everyone trying to get hold a aol cd
[01:57] <owen> ?
[01:57] <Kamping_in_doze> no it wont
[01:57] <Kamping_in_doze> well, it will, but you wont notice
[01:57] <k31th> owen: it just gives you 3d accell
[01:57] <owen> oh..
[01:57] <owen> k
[01:58] <Tirador> what repositories do I need for installing libdvdcss2 and other special packages?
[01:58] <k31th> its not worht the hassle unless your a gamer etc
[01:58] <owen> marillat
[01:58] <k31th> wat card do you have ?
[01:58] <owen> radeon 9250
[01:58] <Choubaka> hmm
[01:58] <k31th> no experiance with that card tbh
[01:59] <freeflying> anyone use e17?
[01:59] <Choubaka> Doesn't that model have free drivers?
[01:59] <owen> i'd do most gaming in xp anyway though
[01:59] <k31th> only done 9800 pro +
[01:59] <k31th> owen:  you need to change that :D
[01:59] <Choubaka> I haven't used windows in more than a year :P
[01:59] <Choubaka> or well, I have. But not on my home computer.
[02:00] <k31th> yeah
[02:00] <k31th> well i dont use it often now at home tbh
[02:00] <k31th> its got better apps for some stuff...
[02:00] <k31th> but i normally get by
[02:01] <k31th> only time i reboot to doze atm on my laptop is for vpn connections
[02:01] <k31th> and im trying to fix that now
[02:01] <Choubaka> linux has better basic tools.
[02:01] <owen> i don't play many games.. only now and then
[02:01] <k31th> yeah
[02:01] <k31th> same here
[02:01] <Choubaka> k31th: Linux can do VPN :|
[02:01] <k31th> all i play is HL2
[02:01] <k31th> Choubaka: i know it can
[02:01] <owen> only tool i'd use in xp that isn't on linux is indesign
[02:01] <k31th> but i want a nice easy gui
[02:01] <Choubaka> owen: Tried with WINE?)
[02:02] <owen> cs version doesn't work
[02:02] <Choubaka> k31th: hehe :P
[02:02] <syren> yes at, like in mail adresses
[02:02] <k31th> i dont mind setting it up in cmd line but when im out and about i want a gui with all the ips and users pass saved
[02:02] <Choubaka> alt-2?
[02:02] <k31th> owen: i play hl2 css in linux
[02:02] <syren> doesnt work..
[02:02] <syren> :/
[02:02] <Choubaka> alt Gr-2?
[02:02] <Choubaka> :p
[02:02] <Choubaka> @@@
[02:02] <syren> i cant! :P
[02:03] <k31th> how do i install a .deb package ?
[02:03] <Choubaka> dpkg -i .deb
[02:03] <k31th> dpkg -i
[02:03] <owen> k31th, how.. cedega?
[02:03] <k31th> yeah
[02:03] <k31th> thanks
[02:03] <syren> dpkg -i "name of deb pakage"
[02:03] <BrianB04> Okay, maybe I'm stupid, but can you install from the Ubunut Live CD?
[02:03] <k31th> owen: yes cedega
[02:03] <owen> might look into that
[02:03] <Seveas> BrianB04, not yet
[02:03] <k31th> owen worth a look
[02:03] <Choubaka> BrianB04: yes. but it's not easy.
[02:03] <k31th> ran ok on my pc and it was ati
[02:03] <Seveas> with the next version it might be possible
[02:04] <BrianB04> Next version is out in October? Not that I'm gonna wait till then to install:)
[02:04] <Choubaka> easily :P
[02:04] <Seveas> Choubaka, you mean the debootsrap dance? that's not for beginners :)
[02:04] <Choubaka> Haha. Yes.
[02:04] <Choubaka> I installed ubuntu using Debian Woody's install disc :P
[02:04] <lesshaste> any ubuntu kernel support UDF/packet writing?
[02:04] <Choubaka> should
[02:04] <k31th> humm
[02:05] <Choubaka> you may want to try modprobe udf
[02:05] <k31th> is it ok to install kde libs running gnome for a package
[02:05] <k31th> its sposed to run in kde
[02:05] <k31th> but i dont like kde so much i presume if i install the libs
[02:05] <k31th> it should work
[02:05] <k31th> ?
[02:05] <Choubaka> it will
[02:05] <syren> not anyone who knows what to do with the "AT" problem? :P
[02:05] <k31th> snorted..
[02:05] <Kamping_in_doze> you will need to install some of kde
[02:05] <parax> hi
[02:05] <k31th> ill apt them
[02:05] <kart_> k31th: works well
[02:05] <Kamping_in_doze> hi parax
[02:05] <Choubaka> what window manager or desktop damager you have doesn't matter.
[02:05] <kart_> kdebase, kdelibs
[02:06] <BrianB04> k31th, You get to play the "Guess the deb you need" game for that;)
[02:06] <Choubaka> well, only if the .deb he installed doesn't know its dependencies.
[02:06] <Choubaka> and he can ldd /program/path/and/name to get the libraries it's linked against.
[02:06] <BrianB04> I like that game: ./configure "Missing blah" Okay, hunt hunt hunt, maybe it's in that, nope, wasn't there:)
[02:06] <acs> hi dudes! are you aware about the problem with firefox in the last security update? Downloads from firefox doesn't work anymore
[02:07] <parax> anyone knows how to rename a lot of files/directories to utf8?
[02:07] <mjr> parax, convmv
[02:08] <parax> mjr, thanks!
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> utf8-migration-tool - convert to UTF-8 locale including renaming of files
[02:08] <k31th> isunt it apt-get -f  install
[02:08] <Seveas> -f is for force
[02:08] <Seveas> use that with caution
[02:09] <parax> HrdwrBoB, that seems to be useful too, thanks!
[02:09] <k31th> i had to force it to get it to instal the kde libs etc
[02:09] <k31th> should i can it its still downloading the file
[02:10] <lesshaste> any ubuntu kernel support UDF/packet writing?
[02:13] <Rudi> what is console command that run "Add/remove Programs"?
[02:13] <garnertr> morning all... :)
[02:13] <newcoder> hi :)
[02:13] <wulfy814> morning! (on the east coast anyway)
[02:14] <Bazzi> afternoon!
[02:14] <Myrtti> indeed
[02:14] <wulfy814> I just did a fresh install of hoary with software RAID for my /home
[02:14] <Rudi> Please, what is console command that run "Add/remove Programs"?
[02:14] <garnertr> Well I guess it is all relative! :) har har
[02:14] <newcoder> actually  good night all lol
[02:14] <wulfy814> it stops in the boot process and I have to mount it manually
[02:14] <wulfy814> I just do "mount /dev/md0 /home" then "exit"
[02:14] <wulfy814> and everything seems to work fine
[02:15] <garnertr> Can I ask a dweeb Ubuntu question?
[02:15] <Seveas> Rudi, apt-get install
[02:15] <Seveas> or apt-get remove
[02:15] <garnertr> what is up w/ the "names" like Horay, Breezy?  Are they like revisions?
[02:15] <Seveas> warty = codename for ubuntu 4.10
[02:15] <wulfy814> actually it appears to be working now - just did a full power down to be sure
[02:15] <Seveas> Hoary = 5.04
[02:15] <Seveas> Breezy will be 5.10
[02:16] <wulfy814> I didn't do anything though the /etc/fstab looks good to me
[02:16] <garnertr> ahhh major revisons, OK, thanks... I'm a nrebie, still attempting to learn
[02:16] <Seveas> garnertr, not major revisions
[02:16] <Seveas> versions :)
[02:16] <garnertr> also, my DVD Burner is not recognized at all and I think I've got something wrong w/ my /etc/fstab setup...
[02:16] <Rudi> Seveas: No, no i require the "simple" dialog, from Applications-System Tools-Add/Remove Programs.
[02:16] <garnertr> thanks Seveas! :)
[02:17] <lesshaste> hello...any ubuntu kernel support UDF/packet writing?
[02:18] <BoD_SWAT> I used fglrxconfig to set up my ATI card. Now dual-screen works :). My problem however is that my DVI port is always used as the connector for my primary screen. This must be set to secondary, how can I do that?
[02:18] <garnertr> I'm still attempting to learn my way through Linux and Ubunutu.  So far, after playing around w/ several distros, I'm finding Ubuntu to be my most favorite (that and it recognized most of my hardware)
[02:18] <Seveas> rudi, that's gnome-app-install
[02:18] <BoD_SWAT> http://pastebin.com/283141
[02:18] <Seveas> garnertr, you are not the first to have this opinion :)
[02:18] <Rudi> Seveas: It works, very thanks!
[02:20] <Aemaeth> BoD_SWAT, does fglrxconfig also help you setup dual monitors when the one on the dvi is composite?
[02:21] <dead^^> hi, again. i didn't got the scandinavian letters working. does anyone know command to it. the characterset is ISO-8859-1 but i don't know how can i get i working =P
[02:21] <dead^^> - i
[02:21] <garnertr> Now if I can just convince my wife to let me wipe her windows machines, but alas, I'd have to install wine for the children to play their games har har
[02:21] <Seveas> dead^^,  /charset ISO-8859-1
[02:21] <goo> My wife runs Ubuntu
[02:21] <Seveas> i thought :)
[02:21] <BoD_SWAT> Aemaeth, fglrxconfig indeed set up my dual-screen setup
[02:21] <BoD_SWAT> but I already had this problem before
[02:21] <dead^^> Seveas, thanks, again
[02:22] <Aemaeth> BoD_SWAT, my second monitor is composite, so it will be interesting to see if ubuntu can handle that
[02:22] <newcoder> seems like ubuntu is very user friendly
[02:22] <newcoder> :)
[02:22] <BoD_SWAT> Aemaeth, http://pastebin.com/283141  --> My xorg.conf file
[02:22] <Rudi> And how i disable minimizing animation in gnome? This is my eternal problem. ;-((
[02:22] <Aemaeth> garnertr, wine does not do games well
[02:22] <garnertr> coming from my point of view, it is VERY friendly
[02:22] <syren> how can i get Wine running with steam?
[02:22] <syren> and WoW and such games?
[02:22] <garnertr> ahhh Thanks for the tip Aemaeth
[02:22] <Aemaeth> wine = games
[02:22] <newcoder> friendlier than FC? lol
[02:22] <Aemaeth> sorry
[02:22] <Aemaeth> wine != games
[02:22] <Aemaeth> look up transgaming
[02:23] <garnertr> ;)
[02:23] <Aemaeth> cedega
[02:23] <Aemaeth> and even then, its touch and go
[02:23] <Aemaeth> linux is just not a gaming os as predominantly like windows yet
[02:23] <newcoder> how about comparing to XP
[02:23] <newcoder> lol
[02:23] <garnertr> all my hardware is USB, and Ubuntu gets through that part w/ no problem, I have a 4-port hub that I use between my wife's/my comp and everything is good; just the bloody build in dr on the laptop isn't recognized for some odd reason
[02:24] <BoD_SWAT> Aemaeth, you'll have to TRY fgrlxconfig.... but plz backup your current xorg.conf file
[02:24] <Aemaeth> lol, as always
[02:24] <Seveas> garnertr, dr?
[02:25] <Rudi> How i disable minimizing animation in gnome? This is my eternal problem. ;-((
[02:25] <Aemaeth> i think he means hdd, yes?
[02:25] <garnertr> dr=drive
[02:25] <Amaranth> Rudi: What animation?
[02:26] <Rudi> Amaranth: When i do minimize button on window top.
[02:26] <garnertr> oops, I meant to say "built in dvd drive" sorry... :)
[02:26] <Rudi> Amaranth: When i click on minimize button on window top.
[02:27] <Amaranth> Rudi: I wouldn't call that animation. :P
[02:27] <Amaranth> Rudi: Why do you want to disable it?
[02:28] <mainer> cause its hard on the eyes,lol
[02:28] <mainer> i want to too
[02:28] <garnertr> well, I must go for now, I'll be back in later tonight w/ more ????'s, thanks for the tips ppl, must go to my ship and play navy dweeb... cya...
[02:29] <YuWei> anybody here know how to save the change of font in xterm?
[02:30] <Aemaeth> save the session as defauly
[02:30] <Aemaeth> default*
[02:30] <mjr> YuWei, you can set it in X resources
[02:30] <syren> what torrent client do you guys use for linux?
[02:30] <mjr> syren, bittornado
[02:30] <YuWei> where can i find it?
[02:30] <Aemaeth> or use konsole :) i find konsole easier
[02:30] <syren> got a download link mjr?
[02:30] <mjr> syren, "apt-get install"
[02:31] <mjr> (from universe)
[02:31] <syren> ah ;)
[02:31] <mjr> YuWei, don't recall, I'd recommend gnome-terminal, requires less manual tuning
[02:31] <SiRrUs> hello all
[02:31] <syren> didnt know you could get it there..
[02:31] <Amaranth> I can't find anything in gconf to disable that animation. Sorry guys, looks like it's built in.
[02:31] <Amaranth> syren: I use bittorrent 4.
[02:32] <Amaranth> syren: Much better then bittornado
[02:32] <syren> amaranth: "apt-get bittorrent 4"?
[02:32] <mainer> yeah,i just checked it too,t.y.,anyway
[02:32] <Amaranth> nope, it's not in any repository
[02:32] <Bandit> SiRrUs hey, you keep forgetting noone says hello here ;)
[02:32] <Amaranth> http://www.bittorrent.com
[02:33] <ivoks> hm...
[02:33] <Amaranth> That remind me, I need to finish my modifications and packaging for that and get it into universe
[02:34] <synic> ubuntu comes with a pretty good bittorrent client...
[02:35] <syren> amaranth: how do you start the program?
[02:35] <TaxMan> How do I uninstall Ubuntu? Last time I tried I just formatted its partition but then when I booted it had problems. So in other words, how do I make the Windows partition the booting one so that GRUB isn't called upon?
[02:36] <Amaranth> syren: You'd better stick to bittornado until I finish getting this packaged.
[02:36] <syren> amaranth: okay
[02:37] <lesshaste> hello...any ubuntu kernel support UDF/packet writing?
[02:37] <zoddan> How do i replace the gnome loading splash ?
[02:37] <mirak> 5D5C5A5B5~5
[02:38] <Amaranth> lesshaste: You mean something like /dev/net/tun?
[02:38] <unf> nas
[02:38] <Seveas> Amaranth, no, it'c cd recording :)
[02:38] <lesshaste> Amaranth, for cd-rws
[02:38] <Amaranth> oh, ok
[02:38] <Amaranth> no idea
[02:38] <Seveas> zoddan, system->preferences->theme?
[02:39] <zoddan> Seveas: no
[02:39] <zoddan> Seveas: i mean the loading screen after you logged in
[02:39] <zoddan> Seveas: with the blinking icons thats showing whats loading
[02:39] <Seveas> zoddan, find out which png/jpg file it is and replace it ;)
[02:40] <Seveas> it's somewhere under /usr/share/themes
[02:40] <zoddan> doh
[02:40] <zoddan> can i just change it with some program in gnome ?
[02:40] <zoddan> you can do that in KDE
[02:40] <zoddan> so why not gnome then
[02:40] <Seveas> zoddan, it's part of the theme. You should eihter use another theme or replace the imagefile
[02:41] <zoddan> i have changed the theme
[02:41] <lesshaste> Seveas, any idea?
[02:41] <zoddan> but the splash has not been replaced
[02:41] <syren> how can i know what command i start bittornado-gui with?
[02:42] <zoddan> Seveas: any other way ?
[02:42] <Seveas> lesshaste, no
[02:42] <lesshaste> :(
[02:42] <Seveas> zoddan, not that i know of (but contrary to popular belief i'm not omniscient)
[02:43] <zoddan>  dont whant that ugly logo at login :P
[02:43] <zoddan> dunno how to replace it
[02:43] <syren> yeah, how do i remove the ubuntu splash logo?
[02:43] <Rudi> Amaranth: When i click on minimize button, wireframed window is minimized to panel.
[02:44] <zoddan>  hum  /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/gnome-splash.png
[02:44] <zoddan> ?
[02:44] <Amaranth> Rudi: I know.
[02:44] <Amaranth> Rudi: I don't know how to turn it off.
[02:44] <Rudi> Amaranth: Aha. Ok.
[02:45] <A-z-i-z> hello
[02:45] <A-z-i-z> when i click on a link to download, it doesn't give me an option to where to save the file
[02:45] <tim7575> just installed ubuntu with no probs
[02:46] <tim7575> EXCEPT the display is all over the place.... any help?
[02:46] <tim7575> had a similar problem with another distro and was told i needed to edit the displaymode lines in the root?
[02:46] <tim7575> im a newbie
[02:46] <Seveas> A-z-i-z, use rightclick->save as
[02:46] <lesshaste> is software suspend available in ubuntu?
[02:47] <ivoks> yes
[02:48] <Tirador> somebody has xine installed. my xine is very slow with dvd playback
[02:49] <Seveas> zoddan, /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/ubuntu*
[02:49] <CarlK> Tirador - did you enable DMA on your DVD drive?
[02:49] <Aemaeth> i always had probs with xine...
[02:49] <Aemaeth> oh, btw, ubuntu has apt-get, yes?
[02:50] <Seveas> yes
[02:50] <tim7575> please
[02:50] <Tirador> CarlK, good point :)
[02:50] <Aemaeth> good
[02:50] <Aemaeth> i shall have to get used to it from urpmi :(
[02:51] <CarlK> Tirador - #8 on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:52] <tim7575> just installed ubuntu with no probs
[02:52] <tim7575> had a similar problem with another distro and was told i needed to edit the displaymode lines in the root?
[02:52] <tim7575> EXCEPT the display is all over the place.... any help?
[02:53] <bluurpie> meaning with apt-get, we don need any other compiler to install softwares?
[02:53] <Seveas> indeed
[02:53] <Aemaeth> the refresh rate is wrong
[02:53] <Seveas> bluurpie, and if you don't like the command line, there's synaptic
[02:54] <tim7575> ok how do i fix it?
[02:54] <jon21> My fresh ubuntu 5.04 install won't boot...
[02:56] <Adross> can anyone access google news?
[02:56] <BrianB04> Yea, the switch from the Audigy 2 to the 5.1 worked
[02:56] <bluurpie> Oh yeah seveas
[02:56] <bluurpie> i read that too
[02:57] <bluurpie> thanks :)
[02:57] <medication> i can Adross
[02:57] <BrianB04> So, I am now downloading the install CD, gonna burn it, and install it:)
[02:58] <tim7575> Adross: i can access it
[02:58] <medication> just wanted to say thanks!
[02:58] <Adross> hmm, odd
[02:59] <medication> Adross: is it only Google news that you can't reach?
[03:00] <Adross> all that i've noticed
[03:00] <the_berzerker> hey guys
[03:00] <bluurpie> oh yeah guys
[03:00] <bluurpie> i had my ubuntu installed the 2nd time
[03:00] <bluurpie> and my thumbdrive doesn't show up
[03:00] <the_berzerker> how can i put two mounted partitions to the computer and places???
[03:01] <bluurpie> it was detected but the drive couldn't be accessed unlike the 1st installation i had..anyone encountered that?
[03:01] <Seveas> the_berzerker, mount them with the user option
[03:01] <the_berzerker> seveas, u mean in fstab?
[03:02] <Seveas> yes the_berzerker
[03:02] <the_berzerker> seveas, i just put user in the options right?
[03:02] <MattFlet> johng: regarding my freeview tuner card, i've never tried to get it working under linux. i might have a go tonight when i get home and let you know how i get on
[03:03] <Seveas> the_berzerker, yes :)
[03:03] <rol1> hello
[03:03] <the_berzerker> thnx mate;-)
[03:03] <rol1> does anyone knopw when will be ready any emule client package?
[03:04] <rol1> both amule an xmule seem broken for too much time..
[03:04] <tfar> hi
[03:04] <the_berzerker> seveas, they show up but not with the labels i put in fstab
[03:05] <isieo> bluurpie: i got the same problem but.. i have no idea how to fix it X_X
[03:05] <tfar> how do i get access to my music on a ntfs partition?
[03:05] <kellinaidan> Any chance anyone is going to be able to get me to running ubuntu on a tv-out for an nVidia card?
[03:06] <rol1> tfar
[03:06] <rol1> u have to have yr ntfs paRTIOTION MOUNTED
[03:06] <rol1> ups
[03:06] <rol1> sorry the caps
[03:07] <tfar> roll: how do i do this?
[03:07] <Seveas> the_berzerker, there was someone with that problem yesterday too
[03:07] <Seveas> we couldn;t find a solution, sorry
[03:07] <rol1> search for "windows partitions" in the forum
[03:07] <bluurpie> isieo: u had that prob too? gosh...
[03:07] <Seveas> tfar, mount -t ntfs /dev/yourdisk /your/mountpoint
[03:07] <tfar> ok
[03:07] <rol1> in the wiki
[03:08] <isieo> X_X
[03:08] <rol1> but it's better if u have itin yr fstab
[03:08] <mainer> it may be mounted ro=readonly,should be rw=read/write
[03:08] <tfar> i'm pretty new in linux
[03:08] <Quazion> is there a way to switch languages ?
[03:08] <tim7575> i have a display problem with ubuntu after first install, ive ctrl alt f1'd out to [ryan@ryan ~1] .. hwre to from now?
[03:09] <mainer> if you want to write dta to that part,if not,ro is good
[03:09] <trondd> Hi! I need to disable speedstep on my laptop, how can I do this in ubuntu?
[03:09] <A-z-i-z> what's the most famous open source java compiler ?
[03:09] <hac> What is the best script for Xchat?
[03:09] <mainer> xlack    http://xlack.tk
[03:09] <mainer> for hac
[03:10] <Seveas> mainer, you cannot write to ntfs...
[03:10] <hac> mainer: thx
[03:10] <mainer> you can with captiventfs,althought there have been known probs
[03:10] <the_berzerker> seveas, do u know the solution?
[03:10] <Aemaeth> xlack is good
[03:11] <Aemaeth> not yet sure on some of the commands on it yet though :(
[03:11] <Seveas> trondd, by putting centrino_speedstep in the hotplug blacklist
[03:11] <wulfy814> new question - Open Office 2.0 - the fonts in writer look terrible compared to 1.14 how do I fix?
[03:12] <Seveas> wulfy814, OOo 2.0 isn't out yet
[03:12] <Seveas> only betas
[03:12] <Aemaeth> well he was obviously reffering to the beta then?
[03:13] <nijan> after upgrading to hoary i have serious audio problem, i cannot play mo3..
[03:13] <nijan> mp3, i installed all the plugin necessary and amarok doesn't let me change engine more
[03:14] <nijan> i can just use vlc but the audio is really low
[03:14] <synic> what hard drive mp3 players are known to work with linux?
[03:14] <nijan> ipod
[03:15] <liable> synic: what do you mean?
[03:15] <syren> anyone know if you can assign a command to like.. the F2 button for an example?
[03:15] <Aemaeth> anything that will recognise as an external drive in windows should run in linux fine
[03:15] <Aemaeth> its only funky ones that need special things
[03:15] <nijan> syren man sysctl.conf
[03:15] <synic> Aemaeth: heh, I don't have windows installed to be trying that out.
[03:16] <liable> syren: yah, xmodmap, google it
[03:16] <synic> so iPods are known to work then...
[03:16] <syren> okay :)
[03:16] <tim7575> i have a display problem with ubuntu after first install, ive ctrl+alt+f1'd out to [ryan@ryan ~1] .. where to from now?
[03:16] <Aemaeth> synic....
[03:16] <Seveas> [alt] [F7]  gives you the GUI back
[03:16] <Aemaeth> i was essentially reffering to 99% of mp3 players
[03:17] <synic> Aemaeth: I think you're wrong there.
[03:17] <synic> most players don't support mass storage
[03:17] <synic> hard drive players anyway.
[03:17] <tfar> thx & cu
[03:17] <Aemaeth> what country are you from?
[03:17] <Aemaeth> cos most of them work like that here
[03:18] <synic> the USA.
[03:18] <tim7575> seveas: yeh i know that, i need to edit the display depth part of some config file?
[03:18] <synic> creative nomads don't support mass storage, neither do the rio karmas, nor the panasonic one
[03:18] <Seveas> tim7575, probably /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:18] <DunkMaster> hello
[03:18] <DunkMaster> is it ok to try ubuntu on 200MMX machine?
[03:19] <nijan> no
[03:19] <tim7575> Seveas: yep thats the one.. care to guide me through?
[03:19] <thenuke> DunkMaster: yes
[03:19] <Seveas> it'll be quite slow DunkMaster
[03:19] <thenuke> DunkMaster: but not with the gnome
[03:19] <DunkMaster> slower than mandrake 10.0?
[03:19] <Seveas> tim7575, i would if i had experience in editing xorg configs
[03:19] <DunkMaster> IceWM?
[03:19] <tim7575> anyone else?
[03:19] <Aemaeth> synic, then dont buy one of them?
[03:19] <thenuke> DunkMaster: you need to use some lightweight windowmanager instead of gnome
[03:19] <DunkMaster> like IceWM or Fluxbox?
[03:20] <Seveas> indeed
[03:20] <synic> Aemaeth: ok, so besides the iPod, name one that does support mass storage.  _then_ you would be answering my original question.
[03:20] <DunkMaster> do they come with the CD?
[03:20] <Aemaeth> iRiver h340
[03:20] <Seveas> nope DunkMaster
[03:20] <DunkMaster> well, i was able to run mdk with kde
[03:20] <DunkMaster> :P
[03:21] <synic> Aemaeth: thank you.
[03:21] <tim7575> Seveas said: tim7575, i would if i had experience in editing xorg configs <---- anyone else care to help a newbie?
[03:21] <DunkMaster> then ill be able to do it with gnome
[03:21] <Aemaeth> creative muvo tx fm (although its a flash drive)
[03:21] <DunkMaster> thank you
[03:21] <Aemaeth> icky... kde
[03:21] <DunkMaster> IceWM atl
[03:21] <DunkMaster> *atm
[03:21] <mainer> tim7575: use xorgconfig from cli as root
[03:21] <Aemaeth> synic, i wouldnt reccomend buying those iriver ones though
[03:21] <synic> no?
[03:21] <kellinaidan> Any thoughts on tv-out on ubuntu?
[03:22] <Aemaeth> they arent very good, and are very expensive
[03:22] <Aemaeth> ipods are better imho
[03:22] <tim7575> mainer: im a noob.....?
[03:22] <Seveas> tim7575, if you do that, backup your xorg.conf first...
[03:23] <aziz> how do i play mp3 on Ubuntu ? totem can't play them
[03:23] <mainer> tim7575: it's interactive if you have your system specs its practically newb_proof
[03:23] <Seveas> aziz, install either totem-xine or gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:23] <tim7575> well i dont know what cli is to begin with
[03:23] <DunkMaster> ubuntu is on one CD?
[03:24] <DunkMaster> am i right?
[03:24] <mainer> tim7575: in root terminal type xorgconfig,then answer questions
[03:24] <mainer> dunkmaster-yes
[03:24] <DunkMaster> ok
[03:24] <aziz> what about Real Player files ?
[03:24] <Aemaeth> mainer, can xorgconfig setup dual monitors?
[03:24] <Aemaeth> eg, how powerfull is it?
[03:25] <Aemaeth> house pet?
[03:25] <Aemaeth> lol
[03:25] <mainer> not sure,but try it at least,be easier than manually editing xorg.conf if youre new
[03:25] <Aemaeth> i have tried modding xorg.conf before in mdk10.1
[03:25] <DunkMaster> yea
[03:25] <Aemaeth> didnt get it to work
[03:26] <DunkMaster> and,?
[03:26] <DunkMaster> you messed it up?
[03:26] <Aemaeth> not sure, it just didnt work
[03:26] <Aemaeth> eg, no change
[03:26] <mainer> www.ubuntuguide,org
[03:26] <DunkMaster> ok
[03:26] <Aemaeth> my main issue is that my second monitor is composite, and hence the video card has to be told to sync on green. which i am unsure of
[03:27] <kellinaidan> Aemaeth - are you running tv-out? I want to - I don't have a primary monitor. Just the tv.
[03:27] <Aemaeth> no
[03:27] <Aemaeth> dvi converter to vga, which converts to some mad mindfuck plug, which goes into my 21" sun monitor
[03:29] <fsapo> hi.. anyone here have some kind of experience in video encoding?
[03:29] <DunkMaster> what is breezy?
[03:29] <Seveas> the next version of ubuntu
[03:30] <fsapo> DunkMaster, next ubuntu version..
[03:30] <tim7575> that didnt work!
[03:30] <trondd> Seveas: I tried blacklisting the speedstep-modules, but they are still loaded...
[03:30] <DunkMaster> okay
[03:30] <aziz> i get the message "Audio codec 'MPEG 2 Layer 3 CBR' is not handled" when i try to play mp3 on Totem .. I installed totem-xine
[03:31] <fsapo> anyone here could help me think in a video resize stuff? i m stuck with it :(
[03:31] <Fator_Dee> aziz: have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[03:32] <Fator_Dee> aziz: it's in universe repository
[03:32] <aziz> I just did ...
[03:32] <aziz> okay.. it is playing mp3s now
[03:32] <deFrysk> use rhythmbox for playing mp3`s
[03:33] <Fator_Dee> or xmms or bmp or muine or (insert player X)
[03:34] <aziz> okay. what about .rm files ? when i use totem to play them i get "Audio codec 'Sipro' is not handled"
[03:34] <Fator_Dee> I think there's something regarding that on ubuntuguide.org
[03:34] <fsapo> aziz, www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:34] <fsapo> aziz, search for real media
[03:35] <deFrysk> http://www.real.com/player/?src=realplayer
[03:35] <MuStR> rythmbox isn't too good
[03:35] <MuStR> unless I am missing the option where it lets you choose the output driver
[03:36] <MuStR> or whatever it's called
[03:36] <MuStR> ie: alsa
[03:36] <selinium> hi all, I have just accidently hit the delete button whilst trying to do an archive i need those files! I was running nautilus under sudo. Where is the root trash bin?
[03:36] <MuStR> selenium, go to a terminal
[03:36] <MuStR> type sudo nautilus
[03:36] <selinium> k
[03:36] <MuStR> press ctrl+h
[03:36] <DunkMaster> terminal is your friend
[03:36] <MuStR> you should be in the /root dir
[03:37] <MuStR> look for a folder called .Trash
[03:37] <geoffroy_> hey, is there anybody who knows how to manage wifi with ubuntu ?
[03:37] <MuStR> your files should be thar
[03:38] <rick_> what kind of wifi card?
[03:38] <dcraven> OT: Who is the/an HTML dude here?
[03:38] <geoffroy_> atheros chipset
[03:39] <geoffroy_> my card is recognized
[03:39] <Seveas> dcraven, /me :)
[03:39] <tim7575> xorgconfig failed to solve my problem
[03:39] <Seveas> geoffroy_, i have a madwifi, works like a charm :)
[03:39] <rick_> I found a wiki on ubuntu (I think)
[03:40] <geoffroy_> yeah Seveas, but it's a wpa network
[03:40] <rick_> if you go to system -> administration -> networking is your card there?
[03:40] <geoffroy_> yeah
[03:40] <dcraven> Seveas: Do you know how to prevent a newline from being inserted? As in, if my HTML doc has the words "Mr. Seveas", I *never* want a newline between those words.
[03:40] <geoffroy_> it's here, i can configure it
[03:40] <Seveas> geoffroy_, for me too :)
[03:40] <geoffroy_> oh ?
[03:40] <geoffroy_> i'm sure you can help me again so
[03:40] <geoffroy_> i did a script
[03:40] <Seveas> dcraven, replace the spaces between Mr. and Seveas with
[03:40] <geoffroy_> actually, I borrowed a script
[03:40] <dcraven> Seveas: In LaTeX, it would be a ~ for example.
[03:41] <dcraven> Seveas: You da man, sorry for going OT :)
[03:41] <Seveas> geoffroy_, wasn't that my script (yesterday?)
[03:41] <geoffroy_> i wonder....!
[03:41] <tim7575> ok i gtg.. hopefull tomorow there will be someone to help me
[03:41] <geoffroy_> i think it was yours
[03:41] <Seveas> lol :)
[03:41] <geoffroy_> with root/ssidselect ?
[03:42] <Seveas> yeah!
[03:42] <trondd> Sorry, but I am no used to ubuntu/debian: How can I disable a service from being started?
[03:42] <geoffroy_> hmmmm
[03:42] <rick_> remove the script from /etc/rc3.d
[03:42] <fsapo> man.. resizing video almost made my brain burn O.o
[03:42] <Seveas> rick_, that won't work
[03:43] <crimsun> trondd: man update-rc.d
[03:43] <Seveas> trondd, it's not a nice way, but the easiest is chmod -x /etc/init.d/SERVICENAME
[03:43] <crimsun> rick_: ubuntu, like debian, uses runlevel 2 by default. no runlevel games.
[03:43] <Seveas> crimsun, update-rc.d is no good to
[03:43] <Seveas> will be reset on updates
[03:43] <trondd> crimsun: thanks (I am switching from gentoo, so I am a bit confused... :) )
[03:44] <crimsun> Seveas: yeah, that's being worked on for breezy
[03:44] <sgmihai> how do i change the default window manager?
[03:44] <crimsun> Seveas: (in terms of the services manager)
[03:44] <osity> snyone good with software raid?
[03:45] <or1on> does anyone have any experience with gdesklets under ubuntu hoary?
[03:45] <Seveas> i have, or1on
[03:45] <or1on> well, here's the problem:
[03:46] <selinium> MuStR: chhers for your help!
[03:46] <or1on> I just installed it thru apt
[03:46] <or1on> gdesklets and gdesklets-data
[03:46] <geoffroy_> erm
[03:46] <geoffroy_> sorry
[03:46] <or1on> but when I try to open a .display-file, the gdesklets-shell just opens and stays empty
[03:46] <or1on> nothing hapens
[03:46] <tfar> how do i install software, which isn't listed in synaptic?
[03:46] <or1on> *happens*
[03:47] <jeroen_> tfar: easiest way: get a *.deb file
[03:47] <geoffroy_> fucking wpa tkip network
[03:47] <geoffroy_> i wonder why it doesn't work
[03:47] <dataw0lf|w> dpkg -i <deb file>
[03:47] <geoffroy_> i have to go, ciao
[03:47] <dataw0lf|w> or
[03:47] <dataw0lf|w> ./configure
[03:47] <dataw0lf|w> make install
[03:47] <dataw0lf|w> or
[03:47] <Seveas> or1on, , and if you try to enable it from within gdesklets?
[03:47] <dataw0lf|w> ./<install script>
[03:47] <jeroen_> or sh ./<install script>
[03:48] <Seveas> tfar, the short answer is: it depends on what you want to install :)
[03:48] <MuStR> selinium: glad I was able to help
[03:48] <dataw0lf|w> I'd assume someone was already in the default shell, jeroen_
[03:48] <Seveas> tfar, and if you tell us what you want to install, we can be of more help :)
[03:48] <trondd> crimsun: sorry but I don't get it.. Should I delete the file from /etc/init.d and run update-rc.d?
[03:48] <Seveas> trondd, no, don't touch update-rc.d
[03:48] <tfar> Seveas,  i want to install Psi, a jabber client.
[03:48] <osity> no raid experts in today?
[03:49] <Seveas> trondd, just chmod -x the file in init.d
[03:49] <or1on> Seveas: the only thing I can do from the shell is: use the menu to install a package, and click on the 2 buttons (but even then nothing happens)
[03:49] <MuStR> tfar: are there instructions included with the client?
[03:49] <trondd> Seveas: thanks, will do that...
[03:49] <or1on> Seveas: the list above the buttons is empty also
[03:49] <Seveas> tfar, psi is in the repositories
[03:49] <MuStR> there should be.
[03:49] <MuStR> ooh rochester
[03:49] <Seveas> tfar, you have to enable universe (read the AddingRepositoriesHowto) on the wiki
[03:50] <Seveas> and than you can use synaptic
[03:50] <Seveas> trondd, that's odd
[03:51] <alekandr> afternoon all!
[03:51] <Seveas> trondd, you dant have a list of desklets in the left part of the shell>
[03:51] <alekandr> anyone know how to set gdm to default display manager from xdm ?
[03:52] <MuStR> lol
[03:52] <MuStR> uninstall xdm :-P
[03:52] <crimsun> alekandr: it should be by default
[03:52] <alekandr> dcraven: html is easy.. just learn from various sources.. php is the real bastard!
[03:52] <MuStR> that's probably not the correct way to do it, but that's what I did
[03:52] <MuStR> ...with kdm
[03:52] <Seveas> php is easy too..
[03:52] <jeroen_> dcraven: html with tables sucks ;)
[03:53] <MuStR> just about every programming language is "easy" if you're comparing it to assembly.
[03:53] <dcraven> alekandr: Well html is simple, but it's a drag when you are trying to do something off the beaten path and you can't accomplish it.. hehe
[03:53] <MuStR> if you think what you're doing is hard, take a look at asm
[03:53] <MuStR> :p
[03:53] <alekandr> crimsun: it was.. until i apt-get installed fluxbox, and then gdm wouldnt start. so i installed xdm, and set it too default.. i cant seem to find the config file. and rc-update is not a know process otherwise id have done it that way
[03:53] <Seveas> dcraven, www.w3schools.com has some great tutorials
[03:53] <alekandr> dcraven: lol.. i get ya
[03:53] <dcraven> I'm trying to make an image and a word to appear together, but never with a newline between them.
[03:54] <crimsun> alekandr: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[03:54] <jeroen_> you mean with a caption, dcraven?
[03:54] <Seveas> <img src="..." alt="..." /> TheWord
[03:54] <dcraven> Seveas: Yeah, w3schools has been a lot of help with CSS.
[03:54] <MuStR> crimsun: while you're at it, how can I choose my default window manager?
[03:54] <dcraven> Seveas: That doesn't work. I just tried that.
[03:54] <or1on> is it possible to delete folders that still contain files from the shell? (rm doesn't work)
[03:55] <Seveas> dcraven, make sure there are *NO* spaces between > and &nbsp
[03:55] <alekandr> crimsun: /usr/bin/X11/xdm
[03:55] <jeroen_> dcraven: if you mean with caption, I know a solution
[03:55] <rick_> try rm -rf
[03:55] <Seveas> and between   and theword
[03:55] <rick_> but be careful when using it
[03:55] <crimsun> alekandr: change that to /usr/bin/gdm
[03:55] <alekandr> crimsun: thanks mate!
[03:55] <dcraven> jeroen_: No, not a caption. On the same line like "<image>MyWord".
[03:55] <crimsun> alekandr: by using dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:55] <alekandr> ok
[03:55] <crimsun> MuStR: there are a number of gconf keys you need to set
[03:56] <Seveas> or1on, rm -r (r means recursive) is the way. but it's dangerous so be careful :)
[03:56] <or1on> right, just found it in the man. Thx anyway rick_
[03:56] <crimsun> MuStR: a number of people have tackled this on the wiki
[03:56] <MuStR> rgr, ty
[03:56] <dcraven> Seveas: I should add that the 'word' is actually an href.
[03:56] <alekandr> crimsun: done.. all sorted. thanks mate
[03:56] <alekandr> dcraven: alt tag?
[03:57] <Seveas> <img >&nbsp<a href>yaddaydda</a>
[03:57] <Seveas> just make sure there are no spaces
[03:57] <Seveas> and that &nbsp is spelt
[03:57] <dcraven> Seveas: I tried that. I'll experiment some more since you seem so sure it should work. :)
[03:57] <alekandr> <img src="source" alt=""> text here
[03:58] <Seveas> dcraven, it's been an important part of one of my pages :)(
[03:58] <admx> Hello, Does anyone know of any linux programs like DVDShrink? I have heard of DVDRip but not sure if it will also shrink dvd sizes.
[03:58] <trondd> Seveas: ?
[03:58] <or1on> Seveas: found it! it was an installation fault. After fully deleting the folder and reinstalling it's a go :-p
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> admx: dvdrip makes divxs (and friends)
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> not DVDs
[03:59] <Seveas> trondd, ?
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> as far as I'm aware such a program does not exist
[03:59] <alekandr> irssi-text is goddly!
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> yes it is :)
[03:59] <wdh> alekandr, we all know that :)
[04:00] <admx> Oh, so I guess vmware will be needed for that program still.  Thz
[04:00] <trondd> Seveas: you asked me something, but I didn't get it. Nevermind...
[04:00] <trondd> Does anyone here use urxvt?
[04:00] <trondd> My settings aren't reconized... Does ubuntu read .Xdefaults or .Xresources on startup?
[04:00] <snoop_> anyone know how to configure a wireless card with a broadcom chipset?
[04:01] <crimsun> trondd: the latter
[04:01] <Seveas> snoop_, you need ndiswrapper for that
[04:01] <Seveas> snoop_, there is a howto on the wiki
[04:02] <snoop_> Seveas, i tired to use that but it didnt work...
[04:02] <dcraven> Seveas: '<img src="link_icon.png" /> <a href="http://www.pygtk.org">PyGTK</a>' doesn't work.
[04:02] <dcraven> Bugger.
[04:02] <snoop_> Seveas, i set up ndiswrapper like in the howto and it just doesnt work...
[04:02] <dcraven> Actually, ignore me.. This is too OT.
[04:02] <Seveas> snoop_, can you paste the output of ndiswrapper -l please?
[04:03] <snoop_> Seveas, Installed ndis drivers:
[04:03] <snoop_> bcmwl5  driver present, hardware present
[04:03] <Seveas> seems to work
[04:03] <alekandr> i was lucky when it came to wireless cards and ndiswrapper.. as i didnt need it.. i have a ralink rt2500 chipset.. 100kb download. 5secs config. and it all set up
[04:03] <Seveas> snoop_, can you paste the output if iwconfig wlan0 on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[04:04] <snoop_> Seveas, it doesnt find my network (the essis)
[04:04] <Seveas> snoop_, does your net have a hidden essid?
[04:04] <snoop_> yes
[04:04] <Seveas> ndiswrapper can't handle those...
[04:04] <Seveas> so you need to unhide it for ndiswrapper to work...
[04:05] <snoop_> Seveas, i tried that last night, some guys were trying to help, but it didnt read it for some reason
[04:05] <Seveas> snoop_, can you please make the essid visible again and run iwlist wlan0 scan
[04:06] <DunkMaster> ok, ill be back tomorrow on ubuntu
[04:06] <DunkMaster> c ya all
[04:06] <Seveas> and paste the output of that on ubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:06] <snoop_> pasted
[04:06] <Seveas> that's iwconfig :)
[04:06] <Seveas> not iwlist wlan0 scan
[04:07] <snoop_> aye doing it now..
[04:08] <Seveas> hmm
[04:08] <Seveas> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[04:08] <Seveas> forgot the sudo part :)
[04:09] <snoop_> says no scan results
[04:09] <Seveas> and you're sure that the essid is not hidden now?
[04:09] <trygvebw> recieved my ubuntu cds today :D
[04:10] <snoop_> i turned it on to ssid broadcast
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> i wont recive my ubuntu cds till late june :)
[04:10] <trygvebw> they're nice
[04:10] <trygvebw> ah :)
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> trygvebw: can u PLZ gimme a pic of the cd art ?
[04:10] <Seveas> snoop_, then i'm out of options too, sorry :S
[04:10] <trygvebw> sure
[04:10] <Seveas> one more thing: which card is it?
[04:11] <snoop_> Seveas, linksys wmp54g
[04:11] <Seveas> hmm, did you use the winxp or win2k driver?
[04:11] <snoop_> Seveas, yes
[04:11] <Seveas> which one? ;)
[04:11] <snoop_> Seveas, took the inf file off the cd
[04:11] <snoop_> bcmwl5.inf
[04:11] <da_bon_bon> trygvebw: thnx
[04:12] <trygvebw> da_bon_bon, http://img151.echo.cx/my.php?image=000030jz.jpg
[04:12] <Seveas> yeah ok, but the winxp driver sometimes has problems , the win2k hasn't
[04:12] <trygvebw> Bad picture, but you get an idea. ;)
[04:12] <snoop_> Seveas, hmm.....where would i find the 2K drivers then..
[04:12] <Seveas> snoop_, linksys website?
[04:13] <snoop_> Seveas,  yes ;)
[04:13] <Seveas> trygvebw, cool :)
[04:13] <trygvebw> yeah
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> trygvebw: atleast made sure that they are not like warty :)
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> thnx, trygvebw
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> bye
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> bye, trygvebw
[04:16] <trygvebw> bye
[04:17] <snoop_> Seveas, how do i remove the old driver?
[04:17] <Seveas> ndiswrapper -r maybe?
[04:17] <Seveas> look in /etc/ndiswrapper and remove the files too..
[04:17] <snoop_> ok
[04:25] <berkes> evening folks. i somehow managed to remove myself fron the sudoers list.
[04:25] <trygvebw> oh
[04:25] <berkes> anyone got a trick to add myself again?
[04:26] <trygvebw> start your PC in "init=/bin/bash" mode
[04:26] <trygvebw> then add yourself to /etc/sudoers
[04:27] <crimsun> make sure you remount / rw first, and make sure you sync after saving and exiting.
[04:27] <berkes> hmm. yeqa, i feared rebooting would be nessecary.
[04:27] <snoop_> Seveas, tried that too...still nothing..
[04:27] <tommi^> Hi. I'm about to buy a webcam and I haven't found a table or somekind of top ten list of best supported devices. Could you help me out?
[04:27] <berkes> i thought of rebooting with a live CD actually. however, thanks
[04:28] <trygvebw> tommi^, see http://www.video4linux.net/
[04:28] <trygvebw> and http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php
[04:28] <tommi^> trygvebw, thanks
[04:28] <trygvebw> and http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/index.shtml
[04:28] <trygvebw> np :)
[04:28] <crimsun> berkes: sure, that would suffice
[04:30] <evilmegaman> Hi, is there any new ubuntu optimized kernels newer than the one that comes with hoary?
[04:30] <derJunior> breezy?
[04:30] <crimsun> evilmegaman: in breezy, yes
[04:30] <evilmegaman> oh
[04:30] <crimsun> (see the topic)
[04:31] <derJunior> :-)
[04:31] <evilmegaman> I don't want to use breezy crimsun ;)
[04:31] <evilmegaman> I am happy where I am
[04:31] <crimsun> I think you just answered your own question ;)
[04:32] <evilmegaman> Oh
[04:32] <evilmegaman> Anyone want to help me figure out when I build my custom kernel-image, I get error2 after a while?
[04:33] <crimsun> a compile error?
[04:33] <evilmegaman> I guess
[04:33] <evilmegaman> It happened yesterday ;)
[04:35] <Aemaeth> night all
[04:35] <snoop_> Seveas, thanks anyways
[04:35] <snoop_> later all..
[04:37] <stromax> hi there
[04:37] <stromax> i'm looking for an OS X like icon zoom bar.. any ideas?
[04:37] <stromax> i know there's one for kde...
[04:38] <sig> stromax: I got some sshots
[04:38] <sig> you might like my setup
[04:38] <Riddell> stromax: kooldock
[04:38] <stromax> sig: show me :)
[04:38] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/screenshots/
[04:38] <StR> hi all...
[04:38] <Seveas> woooooooooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooo
[04:38] <StR> I have beeezy, but I'm trying to upgrade my packages...
[04:38] <StR> and I got this error:     libdbus-1-1: Conflicts: dbus-1 but 0.23.4-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[04:39] <ChaoticCoyote> How good is ubuntu with older hardware? Has anyone tried it on, say, a 400MHz Celeron laptop with 128M RAM?
[04:39] <stromax> sig: nice.. so you run kde on ubuntu?
[04:39] <sig> stromax: this isn't KDE!
[04:39] <sig> this is gnome dude
[04:39] <sig> all those sshots are gnome!!!
[04:39] <stromax> sig: err.. heh
[04:39] <Seveas> StR, DON'T use breezy yet
[04:39] <Seveas> it's broken
[04:39] <sig> bleh on KDE
[04:39] <sig> hehe
[04:39] <Seveas> dbus now, everything will be broken in a weel
[04:39] <stromax> sig: hehei just spotted a 'k' ;)
[04:40] <StR> Seveas: yes.. I see it now...
[04:40] <stromax> sig: is there a ubuntu / .deb package for kooldock?
[04:40] <sig> stromax: btw, that little screenshots gallery was created with "gThumb"
[04:40] <sig> :)
[04:40] <stromax> hehe
[04:41] <sig> stromax: not sure, do a: apt-cache search kookdock
[04:41] <sig> heh
[04:41] <sig> or kooldock I mean
[04:41] <stromax> i did.. nothing in universe
[04:41] <StR> Seveas: what can I do to fix my packages?
[04:43] <Seveas> StR, reinstall hoary...
[04:43] <Ainvar> does the network profiles not work correctly in ubuntu 5.04?
[04:44] <Ainvar> I have to keep recreating one for work when I want to use static and then I have tried to make two for home. One for wireless and then one for wired
[04:44] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: mine is running on 128Mb 850Mhz Duron laptop
[04:45] <ChaoticCoyote> IcemanV9: How'd ubuntu do at detecting hardware?
[04:45] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: it's running just fine, but little slow when u multitaking :)
[04:45] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: excellent.
[04:46] <ChaoticCoyote> IcemanV9: Good. I need to convert my wife's old laptop from a broken Mandrak install. Ubuntu looks like my best best
[04:46] <ChaoticCoyote> "best bet"
[04:46] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: usually i tried with livecd to see if it works before i waste my time. AND, it does work! so i installed it. :)
[04:47] <veleno> anyone is safely using
[04:47] <veleno> a joybook 7000 series (BenQ) laptop with ubuntu ?
[04:48] <sig> veleno: I'm using: a Sony Vaio PCG-FRV37 with ubuntu perfectly....
[04:48] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: i did not try another WMs to improve the performance on 128Mb laptop yet
[04:48] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: so i can multitasking smoothly
[04:48] <ChaoticCoyote> IcemanV9: I've got both ubuntu and kubuntu ISOs. I prfer KDE personally, but Gnome may be better from a resource standpoint
[04:49] <resiak> XFce4!
[04:49] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: play with it, then settle on one that you think it's the best
[04:50] <men1> fluxbox
[04:50] <IcemanV9> twm!!
[04:50] <Seveas> IcemanV9, ooh nice :)
[04:51] <ChaoticCoyote> Does ubuntu gove choices other than Gnome or KDE? XFCE might be the best choice
[04:51] <Seveas> ChaoticCoyote, not by default but there are people working on XFCE and ICE
[04:51] <resiak> ChaoticCoyote: If you enable Universe and Multiverse, then yes.
[04:51] <men1> fetch the other desktops then uninstall gnome
[04:51] <IcemanV9> Seveas: heh very fast response on 128Mb laptop :)
[04:52] <men1> there's always using mini x server
[04:52] <sig> IcemanV9: plan9 desktop :)
[04:52] <sig> I used that for a while on one of my FreeBSd machines
[04:52] <men1> no desktop is even better
[04:53] <Angelina-jolie> kikoo la room
[04:53] <Seveas> IcemanV9, i used twm on old sun sparc4 machines :)
[04:54] <reagleBRKLN> i'm have a problem with a mailbox lock file, is there a better channel to ask on?
[04:55] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, try here :)
[04:55] <jeroen_> reagleBRKLN, probably not
[04:55] <reagleBRKLN> i use fetchmail to grab pop msgs, is filtered by a procmailrc (including bogofilter), and placed in an mbox where kmail grabs it
[04:56] <reagleBRKLN> in the past few months, everything has been complaining about a lockfile
[04:56] <reagleBRKLN> on /home/reagle/Mail/q/inbox
[04:56] <veleno> sig: i'm glad of it, but i'm searching some first-person impression on that one. thanks anyway!
[04:56] <reagleBRKLN> (that's the mbox where the results go and kmail grabs it from)
[04:57] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, which program in the chain is complaining and what is the exact message?
[04:57] <reagleBRKLN> my only guess is that the file is on an encfs (fuse) file system, but all these processes run as me I think
[04:57] <reagleBRKLN> procmail: Lock failure on "inbox.lock"
[04:57] <Dutch> Hi all.. Just looking for a headsup before installing Hoary on an old laptop. DellLatitude CP, with a CS3237 Soundchip. Not being able to autoconfigure it with the LiveCD..
[04:57] <reagleBRKLN> mutt: Lock count exceeded, remove lock for inbox? ([yes] /no):
[04:58] <reagleBRKLN> and i just turned it off in kmail since it wouldn't work
[04:58] <Dutch> Any advice for the actual install.. ? It's an ISA chip, so the automatic Alsa config can't find it.
[04:58] <Seveas> what happens if you remove the lock?
[04:58] <reagleBRKLN> there is no lock
[04:58] <Seveas> hmm
[04:59] <MattFlet> seveas: i see you've got hoary cds. is this from shipit? i was wondering if they were still being sent out or not.
[04:59] <reagleBRKLN> e.g., mutt is happy to open /Mail/inbox, but complains of /Mail/q/inbox
[04:59] <jeroen_> Dutch, does it works with Knoppix (which you're using now, correct?)
[04:59] <student> hi, i'm having problems with Ubuntu and Internet, the problem is that i connect throught wvdial and it gets conected successfully, but when i try to see a web page or connect to any Internet services it does never display me the web or the internet service working
[04:59] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, and if you recreate the lock?
[04:59] <Seveas> MattFlet, they are from shipit and they're still being sent
[05:00] <MattFlet> ace!
[05:00] <Dutch> Not with Alsa, only with the Kernel OSS drivers, which gives a damn click at the start and end of every sound output.. ANd not using Knoppi, but Kanotix.
[05:00] <reagleBRKLN> touch inbox.lock; mutt -fr inbox -> Lock count exceeded, remove lock for inbox? ([yes] /no):
[05:00] <BoD_SWAT> how can I make applications 'auto-start' ? (or write a .sh file to autostart a few apps at the same time?)
[05:00] <Seveas> student, can you ping any machine?
[05:00] <reagleBRKLN> i simply don't know where/why these programs are getting hung up on a lockfile
[05:00] <student> Seveas, only the remote IP of my ISP
[05:01] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, /me is stunned, maybe ask on a procmail or mutt mailinglist will help
[05:01] <Dutch> The kernel OSS driver is the CS4232 driver.. Have googled like hell and tried every recipee I've found for alsa and the CS4237B chip, but alas nogo..
[05:01] <reagleBRKLN> hrmm.. ok
[05:01] <jeroen_> Dutch: Ubuntu uses ESD, but to be honest, I know nothing about sound
[05:02] <crimsun> Dutch: I need the exact lspnp -v dump for that chipset
[05:02] <student> Seveas, but when i try to ping google.com or a web like that it nevers get to reply me the ping request
[05:02] <tubic> er irc.arrakis.es
[05:02] <Seveas> student, what kind of connection is it?
[05:03] <geoffroy_> yo
[05:03] <student> Seveas, dial up
[05:03] <Dutch> Crimsun, Lspnp shows nada for the chipset... proc/bus/pnp not available is the output
[05:03] <crimsun> Dutch: can you at least get me the revision of the cirrus logic chipset?
[05:04] <Dutch> 4237B accoriding to the Specs on Dell's site for the laptop's asset tag.
[05:04] <crimsun> Dutch: right, but certain revisions of that chipset are extremely problematic
[05:05] <jay> Anybody familiar with debian-installer?  I'd like to utilize the section where it adds a new user instead of having to roll my own but not sure how to access it through debconf.
[05:05] <geoffroy_> my trash disappeared
[05:05] <crimsun> jay: kamion in #u-d is the guy you want to ask
[05:05] <crimsun> jay: (#ubuntu-devel)
[05:05] <men1> right click then select add to panel
[05:06] <geoffroy_> yeah i just found
[05:06] <geoffroy_> thank you
[05:06] <jay> crimsun:  thanks!
[05:06] <jeroen_> geoffroy_: I thought you ment it was emptied :p
[05:06] <trygvebw> Hi, have anybody else experienced errors on the LiveCD bootup while debian-installer is trying to run casper-udeb? It says it can't be read.
[05:07] <geoffroy_> ahah
[05:07] <Dutch> Crimsun, Hmm.. Should it be listed in any logs ? Again lspnp/lspci list nothing..
[05:07] <Ainvar> how can I make beep media player my default mp3 player instead of totem?
[05:08] <Seveas> Ainvar, system->preferences->preferred applications
[05:08] <elcu> Ainvar: right-click on the media file and select properties.
[05:08] <student> Seveas, what do you think is the problem?
[05:08] <elcu> then select the open with tab
[05:08] <Seveas> student, honestly no idea
[05:08] <student> Seveas, ok man, thanx
[05:09] <Ainvar> thanks elcu
[05:09] <Ainvar> did not think of that
[05:09] <trygvebw> ?
[05:09] <elcu> np
[05:09] <crimsun> Dutch: that info is displayed when the driver is loaded (either the oss/free or the alsa one)
[05:10] <micampe> hello world
[05:10] <micampe> so how do I de-uglify Qt applications?
[05:10] <micampe> without installing all of kde just to have a decent style
[05:11] <Dutch> Crimsun, the problem is that the Alsa cs4236 driver won't load at all... Even with the correct parameters. The OSS driver, which is the CS4232 driver, loads but doesn't give any particular output in the dmesg...
[05:11] <sproingie> good question, what is the default theme for qt these days?
[05:12] <Seveas> plastix/lipstick
[05:12] <sproingie> i thought that was for kde
[05:12] <Seveas> hmm yeah
[05:12] <sproingie> i recall qt has a default look ... something like a cross between win9x and motif
[05:13] <sproingie> plastik isn't pad.  lipstik looks just like XP, with its bad gradients and all
[05:13] <sproingie> s/pad/bad/
[05:13] <sproingie> at least it's not keramik.  ugh
[05:14] <micampe> sproingie, the default is an orrible motif lookalike with huge fonts
[05:14] <micampe> just sane fonts would be enough for me...
[05:14] <sproingie> oy.  i vaguely remember that.  can't you install a qt theme from apt without kde?
[05:15] <sproingie> dont think the theme will affect the font size tho
[05:15] <rapha> Hi all!
[05:15] <Dutch> Crimsum, when trying to load the Alsa driver : CS4236+ not found or device busy  FATAL : Error inserting snd_cs4236 : No such device.
[05:15] <micampe> there doesn't seem to be such a thing as a "qt theme", just kde styles
[05:15] <sproingie> i think there's a qt theme engine that will use gnome themes
[05:15] <rapha> Is there a voice removal / karaoke plugin for XMMS or BEEP or any other media player?
[05:15] <sproingie> i know there's a vice versa
[05:15] <trygvebw> Have anybody experienced errors on the LiveCD bootup while debian-installer is trying to run casper-udeb? It says it can't be read.
[05:16] <crimsun> Dutch: what parameters are you passing to modprobe?
[05:16] <crimsun> trygvebw: check the console (alt+F[23] ) for errors
[05:16] <elcu> rapha: IIRC, there's one for XMMS.  it isn't that great though.
[05:16] <wdh> rapha, http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com
[05:16] <wdh> :)
[05:16] <trygvebw> crimsun, ok thanks :)
[05:16] <wdh> rapha, found one on the first hit
[05:17] <sproingie> micampe: no, qt has themes.  i have a "theme=plastik" line in my qtrc
[05:18] <wdh> rapha, just kidding, no offence :)
[05:18] <sproingie> micampe: lemme msg you the general part of my qtrc (it's about 6 lines)
[05:18] <rapha> wdh: Thank you.
[05:18] <rapha> elcu: If only I could find the URL...
[05:18] <wdh> rapha, http://defx.sourceforge.net/faq.html  << this was the first hit..
[05:19] <micampe> sproingie, go
[05:19] <Anglophobe> I am having troubles with my external hard drive. (through usb)
[05:19] <Dutch> crimsum : modprobe snd_cs4236 port=0x530 cport=0x210 mpu_port=0x330 fm_port=0x388 irq=5
[05:19] <elcu> rapha: XMMS has one installed by default.  but yeah, wdh is doing the work for you :-)
[05:19] <crimsun> Dutch: is the pnp os option disabled in bios?
[05:20] <Anglophobe> IT appears mounted when I boot up, and I can see the inital directories in it, but if I try to go into any of the sub directories, it stops responding. (even with a ctrl-c)
[05:20] <Dutch> Crimsum, no PNP OS option in the Dell Latitude CP A16 bios. ACPI is enabled.. have tried with and without ACPI.
[05:21] <crimsun> Dutch: then you need to pass isapnp=0 to modprobe
[05:21] <rapha> wdh: When you know what to look for it's easier... I've actually been googling for half an hour now
[05:22] <wdh> rapha, just for the things you told me :) "voice removal" and "XMMS"
[05:22] <Anglophobe> any ideas?
[05:22] <wdh> rapha, but i do recognise the problem.. one can be googling for hours with all the wrong keywords :)
[05:22] <Dutch> Crimsum, Tried that as well, both in my alsa conf files, as well as by the command line : modprobe snd_cs4236 port=0x530 cport=0x210 mpu_port=0x330 fm_port=0x388 irq=5 mpu_irq=9 dma1=1 dma2=-1 isapnp=0
[05:23] <Anglophobe> /dev/sda5 on /media/sda5 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077)
[05:23] <Anglophobe> it's mounted as:
[05:23] <crimsun> Dutch: dma2=-1?
[05:24] <Dutch> crimsum: Yep, disabled.. Also tried with it enabled set to 5 as found on the Linux Cookbook site.. No go..
[05:25] <rapha> wdh: elcu: Got it now! Thanks! ... Will have to see if my cousin finds it good enough for the song she wants to sing....
[05:25] <wdh> rapha, glad to be of service
[05:26] <Dutch> crimsum. Its the only thing bugging me with this laptop.. Everything else including wifi and X I can get working. Just the sound under ALSA.. But OK, ubunty has the old OSS drivers included as well, so if I have to I must use those I guess.. Only problem is later on, when OSS becomes depreciated..
[05:26] <elcu> rapha: what's it called? just out of interest.
[05:28] <crimsun> Dutch: are those values specific to your hardware?
[05:28] <crimsun> Dutch: there's a general range, but you have to use the values specifically for yours
[05:29] <Anglophobe> anyone
[05:29] <Anglophobe> ?
[05:29] <crimsun> Anglophobe: what does dmesg tell you after it locks up?
[05:30] <Dutch> crimsum: They should be.. Same values as listed on every recipe for the CP I've found,, as well as the same values used under Win. Also the values works for the cs4232 OSS driver...
[05:30] <_ac_chan_> hi... is there going to be ubuntu hoary version of firefox 1.0.4?
[05:30] <trygvebw> no
[05:31] <Seveas> _ac_chan_, sort of
[05:31] <trygvebw> The Hoary version of Firefox (1.0.2) is patched so it contains all the Firefox security fixes.
[05:31] <Seveas> the fixes will be available
[05:31] <_ac_chan_> oh okay.. just was wondering cool..just worried about the security fixes
[05:31] <trygvebw> ok :)
[05:31] <crimsun> the security fixes have been applied already.
[05:31] <men1> when is firefox 1.0.4 coming out?
[05:31] <trygvebw> it has come out
[05:31] <deFrysk> today
[05:32] <men1> no, i mean for Ubuntu
[05:32] <trygvebw> it won't
[05:32] <trygvebw> Read my explanation.
[05:32] <men1> i have the windows version already
 The Hoary version of Firefox (1.0.2) is patched so it contains all the Firefox security fixes.
[05:32] <crimsun> please load the oss driver and tell me the revision information of your sound chipset from dmesg
[05:32] <trygvebw> So Hoary won't get a "REAL" 1.0.4 version, only a patched 1.0.2 one
[05:32] <crimsun> ^ Dutch
[05:32] <elcu> men1: you can always install it seperately.
[05:32] <mainer> yes from mozilla as an installer file .bi,probly;hoary is frozen except security/bug-fixes
[05:33] <Anglophobe> crimsun: I'm not sure it is showing anything.
[05:33] <crimsun> Dutch: I have to leave, but I'll be back in an hour
[05:33] <men1> looks like something to look at backports
[05:33] <Seveas> men1, backports are icky
[05:33] <Seveas> bettor not use them
[05:33] <Seveas> better*
[05:33] <trygvebw> men1, why? The version in Hoary _has_ all the fixes!
[05:33] <men1> the not free issue?
[05:33] <mainer> if you want current,use the mozilla-i686-installer.bin file,or stay with ubuntu version
[05:33] <Anglophobe> I'm not sure if it's locked or what. I can look in the mount directory but when I try to go into a subdirectory, it just doesn't do anything.
[05:33] <Seveas> men1, warty&hoary ubuntu are not called 1.0.4 but contain all the fixes...
[05:34] <trygvebw> And in addition, backports/breezy has 1.0.2 patched too, not 1.0.4.
[05:34] <men1> i got 1.0.3 on Ubuntu though
[05:34] <trygvebw> ahok
[05:34] <Jormundgand> If they have the fixes they should just label it 1.0.3 and use the official logo.
[05:34] <trygvebw> Because why?
[05:34] <deFrysk> whats in a number :s
[05:34] <trygvebw> They aren't allowed to.
[05:34] <Seveas> Jormundgand, no they should not
[05:34] <Jormundgand> The logo which comes with Hoary is ugly as hell, and they didn't even try for the Thunderbird logo.
[05:35] <elcu> trygvebw: some people like saying they have the latest version rather than the ubuntu one.
[05:35] <trygvebw> Jormundgand, that's because they simple AREN'T allowed to include the official logo!
[05:35] <trygvebw> elcu, ah :P
[05:35] <Jormundgand> They can use the official logo if they use the official browser version.
[05:35] <Anglophobe> crimsun: If I try to umount it it gives me device is busy
[05:35] <trygvebw> Yes, but then they can't package it in a DEB...
[05:35] <Seveas> elcu, that's probably the gentoo people :)
[05:35] <men1> just get the icon and dump it in the pixmaps folder
[05:35] <trygvebw> And they HAVE to package it in a DEB.
[05:35] <elcu> trygvebw: i don't know why either if the ubuntu one is patched already.
[05:35] <Jormundgand> Packaging it into a deb doesn't change the program itself at all.
[05:36] <trygvebw> Jormundgand, yes, it does. It is recompiled.
[05:36] <men1> could try the debian version
[05:36] <Seveas> Jormundgand, licensing can prohibit things...
[05:36] <elcu> trygvebw: yeah, probably :-)
[05:36] <trygvebw> When you recompile you aren't allowed to use the official logo
[05:36] <Anglophobe> crimsun: there are files in the root of the dir, and I can open them, it's beyond those ones.
[05:36] <men1> i used the debian version once for 1.0.2
[05:36] <hawke_> trygvebw: not true.  When you apply patches you aren't allowed to use the official logo.
[05:36] <Jormundgand> Except you're compiling THEIR code. There can't be any problems, or else they'd need to fix their code.
[05:37] <trygvebw> hawke, yeah
[05:37] <Seveas> Jormundgand, see hawke_'s comment...
[05:37] <trygvebw> Jormundgand, look at hawke_s comment
[05:37] <Seveas> licensing is tricky business...
[05:37] <Dutch> crimsum: output of dmesg|tail after loading uart401, ad1848 cs4236 and opl3 :
[05:37] <Dutch> ad1848/cs4248 codec driver Copyright (C) by Hannu Savolainen 1993-1996
[05:37] <Dutch> ad1848: No ISAPnP cards found, trying standard ones...
[05:37] <Dutch> pnp: Device 00:10 activated.
[05:37] <Dutch> YM3812 and OPL-3 driver Copyright (C) by Hannu Savolainen, Rob Hooft 1993-1996
[05:38] <Dutch> knoppix@knoppix:~$
[05:38] <Seveas> Dutch, DO NOT paste here!
[05:38] <trygvebw> But i'm more wondering why the creator of the Firefox official artwork didn't release it under a free license...
[05:38] <men1> http://www.rafb.net/paste/
[05:38] <trygvebw> pastebin.com
[05:38] <Dutch> Seveas.. to late, sorry ;)
[05:38] <hawke_> trygvebw: So that it can be a trademark, or some such.
[05:38] <Seveas> ubuntu.pastebin.com next time please Dutch :)
[05:38] <Jormundgand> To business: How do I get Eterm to scroll to the bottom when new output appears? I've set --home-on-output but it's not doing anything.
[05:38] <trygvebw> hawke, can't it be if it's under a free license?
[05:39] <men1> then if it's so, tux and the ubnutu logo is also subject then?
[05:39] <Seveas> men1, no, other license
[05:39] <Dutch> crimsun, no version info output from the cs4232 driver.. But loaded..
[05:39] <lotusleaf> woo, only 15 hours left in my ubuntu download
[05:39] <Seveas> but this discussion is too off-topic here, let's please stop...
[05:39] <elcu> hawke_: : why have i seen howtos on how to change it to the official logo?  wouldn't that be a nono?
[05:39] <fep> i need help to configure my mouse, i have a genius with net-scroll, that's is connected on the serial port, not on ps2, somone nows how i solve this?
[05:39] <Seveas> lotusleaf, what are you downloading?
[05:40] <men1> Seveas: the debian versions of firefox seems to work
[05:40] <hawke_> Hrm, not sure exactly how that works.  I believe that if they allow anyone to do whatever with the official (trademarked) logo, they could lose their trademark.
[05:40] <Seveas> fep, search the forums, it's been discussed there.
[05:40] <trygvebw> hawke, ok
[05:40] <fep> thanks :)
[05:40] <hawke_> elcu: Sort of.  It may be ok if the changes aren't distributed but simply made by each individual user.
[05:41] <IcemanV9> Dutch: [10:33]  crimsun Dutch: I have to leave, but I'll be back in an hour
[05:41] <Dutch> crimsum, you want the link for the recipe I've tried to use ?
[05:41] <rapha> elcu: It's called DeFX
[05:42] <elcu> rapha: ah, thanks
[05:43] <elcu> hawke_: how sneaky!
[05:43] <elcu> :-)
[05:43] <Anglophobe> anyone else know about my external hd problems?
[05:43] <elcu> Anglophobe: while you're waiting, you could search ubuntuforums.org if you haven't yet.
[05:45] <rapha> np
[05:45] <NeoCool> rapha!
[05:48] <Rubin> hrm. i was led to believe partimage was on the livecd. it doesnt seem to be. is there a way to install apps in the live cd??
[05:49] <nanomad> dont think, cause it runs on a ram-disk
[05:49] <bluefoxicy> g14:  ping
[05:49] <Anglophobe> rebooting
[05:50] <jeroen_> What should be my glxgears score when using fglrx drivers? (Radeon 9200)
[05:51] <elcu> jeroen_: what sort of results have you gotten?
[05:52] <jeroen_> elcu: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/283224
[05:52] <jeroen_> elcu: but I'm doing a lot of things at the same time. Could that influence results?
[05:53] <nanomad> jeroen_, sure!
[05:53] <jeroen_> nanomad: should I try again after closing lots of apps?
[05:53] <nanomad> yes...its better...
[05:53] <ftwig> hi - anyone know how to get coperplate font for horay?
[05:54] <jeroen_> brb!
[05:54] <nanomad> jeroen_, with a 9550 i got 2000 fps...
[05:56] <usynic> anyone notice that the latest firefox update crashes a lot?
[05:57] <men1> usynic: version?
[05:57] <usynic> 1.0.2-0ubuntu5
[05:58] <men1> there's fetching the debian versions
[05:58] <usynic> hrmm?
[05:58] <men1> or backports to try out
[05:58] <men1> go to a debian testing mirror and fetch firefox 1.0.3
[05:59] <men1> it works for me, i mean the backports one
[05:59] <Ac1dcrawl> I've just installed ubuntu and i'm trying to get the 2.6 kernel sources with apt-get, when I do apt-cache search kernel-source, all that comes up is 2.4 stuff.
[05:59] <Ac1dcrawl> Any ideas of what i'm doing wrong?
[06:00] <men1> *wonders why his windows firefox is way newer than is ubuntu's
[06:00] <Ac1dcrawl> I was wondering that same thing myself.
[06:00] <men1> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[06:00] <men1> sorry sry seveas
[06:01] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: maybe update your sources?
[06:01] <deFrysk> silly backports
[06:01] <jeroen_> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/283228
[06:01] <deFrysk> totally unneeded
[06:01] <Ac1dcrawl> Sure, I had thought about that, but I have no idea what sources to use.
[06:01] <Ac1dcrawl> is there a list of sources for ubuntu?
[06:01] <men1> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:01] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: ubuntuforums.org
[06:01] <jeroen_> and: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/283225
[06:01] <elcu> whoops
[06:01] <elcu> ubuntuguide.org
[06:02] <nanomad> better...
[06:02] <FreeEagle> hi all
[06:02] <FreeEagle> :)
[06:02] <nanomad> (to jeroen_ )
[06:02] <Ac1dcrawl> I'll check that out, thanks.
[06:02] <jeroen_> nanomad: but can you tell from this whether acceleration is working?
[06:02] <men1> if ubuntu's gaim could be updated more frequently, then backports would lose it's purpose
[06:02] <nanomad> no...
[06:03] <nanomad> just look at fglrx_info
[06:03] <jeroen_> nanomad: but that's what the program is supposed to do ;)
[06:03] <jeroen_> nanomad: oh, okay
[06:03] <elcu> men1: didn't someone answer you before? apparently hoary's firefox already has all the fixes.  if you aren't satisifed with that, download the bin installer.
[06:04] <men1> elcu: i meant by gaim
[06:04] <men1> not FF
[06:05] <TwoBitSprite> so... in a fresh install of ubuntu... I run firefox and use it's plugin finder to install flash, but can't get the sound to work...
[06:05] <elcu> jeroen_: you can use glxinfo and see if direct rendering is enabled.
[06:05] <FreeEagle> I have a question here?
[06:05] <FreeEagle> I have a question here !!!!
[06:05] <TwoBitSprite> FreeEagle, just ask your question...
[06:05] <dr_willis> 0_o
[06:06] <nanomad> FreeEagle, ??? just talk...
[06:06] <jeroen_> elcu: direct rendering is enabled
[06:06] <FreeEagle> Okay... I used to use Gaim, now there is a new Version of it, is there anyway to isnatll this Automatically without makeing Compile to the Original file
[06:07] <FreeEagle> because i am still Newbie
[06:07] <jeroen_> FreeEagle, use a .deb file
[06:07] <elcu> jeroen_: then it's working :-)
[06:07] <jeroen_> these are easy to install, FreeEagle
[06:07] <FreeEagle> from where should i download this
[06:07] <men1> FreeEagle: the debian gaim is messy to install
[06:07] <jeroen_> elcu: alright, then I'll try to play gl-117 :-)
[06:07] <Fator_Dee> there's a newer gaim on backports
[06:07] <FreeEagle> hummm.... So what should i do now ??
[06:07] <jeroen_> bye all!
[06:07] <men1> i tried it, and it brought quite alot of issues
[06:08] <Seveas> using backports is not recommended
[06:08] <men1> source compile
[06:08] <deFrysk> and not supported
[06:08] <Seveas> FreeEagle, if you are so desperate to have a new version, compile it from the source
[06:08] <Seveas> otherwise, wait for breezy to get stabler
[06:08] <Fator_Dee> Seveas: what kind of issues there could be?
[06:08] <TwoBitSprite> so yeah... does anyone know how to get Flash to use the ESD or should I just kill the ESD and try to let Flash use the sound port?
[06:09] <dr_willis> of course getting all the dev packages where you can install it from source - could be a annoyance.
[06:09] <Seveas> Fator_Dee, backports have broken many dpkg dependencies before
[06:09] <Fator_Dee> oh
[06:09] <FreeEagle> Seveas, is the compile way that easy to do
[06:09] <FreeEagle> ??
[06:09] <Seveas> FreeEagle, if you apt-get build-dep gaim, compiling shouldn't be too hard
[06:10] <FreeEagle> okay
[06:10] <Seveas> apt-get build-dep gaim will install all things needed to compile gaim
[06:10] <Seveas> and make sure you pass --prefix=/opt/gaim-new as a parameter to configure
[06:10] <FreeEagle> Seveas, so i will download the Source File and then do what you said here
[06:11] <FreeEagle> Thanks alot for help!!!!
[06:12] <g14> bluefoxicy, pong.
[06:12] <FreeEagle> bye all
[06:12] <FreeEagle> :)
[06:14] <men1> Fator_Dee: it's only 1.2.1
[06:14] <Fator_Dee> you mean the gaim?
[06:14] <men1> yup
[06:14] <Fator_Dee> well, I said newer, not the newest :-p
[06:15] <Fator_Dee> anyways
[06:15] <men1> well my windows rig has a way newer version
[06:15] <men1> than my Ubuntu one
[06:15] <Fator_Dee> well, I don't care ;-)
[06:15] <Seveas> if it aint broken, don't fix it :)
[06:15] <men1> Datallah's great for the wingaim issue
[06:16] <men1> actually i have issues with yahoo before
[06:16] <MuStR> anyone know how to use a wireless network with linux?
[06:17] <Seveas> sure
[06:17] <MuStR> shoot
[06:17] <Seveas> these words come to you via a wireless net :)
[06:17] <MuStR> :D
[06:17] <MuStR> I'm going home tomorrow and I'm going to be on a wireless network, so I want there to be a seamless transition of inet...
[06:19] <MuStR> how how how??
[06:19] <Seveas> depends on the chipset and the encryption :)
[06:20] <MuStR> hm
[06:20] <MuStR> it's a linksys
[06:20] <Seveas> ouch
[06:20] <MuStR> oh boy
[06:20] <Seveas> you'll have to go the hard ndiswrapper way i guess
[06:21] <MuStR> that doesn't sound like fun
[06:21] <dravine> anyone have any ideas on recovering a corrupt superblock on an ext3 partition?
[06:21] <MuStR> Seveas, is there a site I can go to that would help?
[06:22] <Seveas> MuStR, look for the ndiswrapperhowto on wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:22] <MuStR> okay
[06:23] <ulisse> hello channel!
[06:23] <dead^> hello ulisse!
[06:25] <Badness45> i have a broadcom network adapter and when i installed warty it's not reconized
[06:26] <ulisse> one my friend is having a strange issue with Neverball and an Nvidia card, after a few seconds he gets a blank screen...
[06:27] <ulisse> he is using the closed nvidia drivers
[06:28] <karljp> can anyone confirm or deny being able to use fat32 drives > 32gig that were formatted in linux under windows?
[06:28] <nanot3ch> Hey, I installed Apache2 / MySQL / PHP and I can't get phpinfo to work now...I get this error when I attempt to load it: "Warning:  Unknown(/var/www/index.php): failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0
[06:28] <nanot3ch> Warning:  (null)(): Failed opening '/var/www/index.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0"
[06:28] <Ac1dcrawl> I've followed all the instructions on ubuntuguide.org for apt-get, and I still can't get any of the 2.6 kernel sources to get.
[06:29] <karljp> MS knowledge base says that it can read and write them if another OS created them, but can't make them itself
[06:29] <Ac1dcrawl> There is an error saying they are unavailable or deprecated.
[06:29] <Ac1dcrawl> any ideas?
[06:30] <_4strO> yop yop
[06:31] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: did you follow the #extrarepositories topic?
[06:31] <Ac1dcrawl> yup
[06:32] <Ac1dcrawl> Just for kicks I did an apt-get update kernel-sources-2.6* and it brought up several items, but when I try to install them it says they are unavailable of deprecated.
[06:32] <dr_willis> karljp,  yep - MS wont let you make them.
[06:32] <Ac1dcrawl> actually I did an apt-get install.
[06:32] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: and you did an apt-get update
[06:32] <karljp> cool, just reading some extra ms docos
[06:32] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: apt-get update
[06:32] <karljp> I want to make sure my external drive can be used r/w with both xp and ubuntu
[06:33] <Ac1dcrawl> oh yeah, I did an apt-get update.
[06:33] <dr_willis> karljp,  yea - i need to do a similer thing.
[06:34] <karljp> ntfs seemed like such a good idea the time :)
[06:34] <Badness45> has anyone install a broadcom wireless adapter in ubuntu
[06:34] <karljp> I'm using one right now
[06:34] <karljp> specifically a dell truemobile 1350
[06:35] <karljp> bcm4306
[06:35] <berkes> hello folks. I kinda borked my permissions and groups yesterday. I fixed most of it, but need to know ome details about the sound system used in kubunutu.
[06:35] <berkes> I assume arts is used?
[06:35] <abbot45> ive got a question about the Pan newsreader, if anyone here uses it.
[06:36] <Darksun> Is there a guide to installing drivers for my radeon 9700 on ubuntu?
[06:36] <berkes> and what would the default engine be? alsa? oss?
[06:36] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: the package is called linux-source, not kernel-source
[06:36] <elcu> Darksun: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:36] <berkes> Darksun: i got it working out of the box.
[06:36] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: you should get the package that matches uname -a
[06:37] <Ac1dcrawl> well, that could be my problem then, duh.  I've used linux for quite some time, it's the detail that kill you.
[06:37] <karljp> arts and alsa I believe
[06:37] <elcu> :-)
[06:38] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl:  i found it by doing "apt-cache search kernel"
[06:38] <Zen> hey all... you know when you make a link to a folder you get that big ugly blue emblem to show its a link.. how do you get rid of that?
[06:38] <Badness45> karl: how did u do the install
[06:38] <Badness45> for the broadcom
[06:38] <elcu> berkes: i'd assume he wants 3d accleration
[06:39] <berkes> karljp: thanks; and have you got any clue as to how the permissions for that are set up?
[06:39] <karljp> just followed the ndiswrapper howto
[06:39] <berkes> I know there is a group called audio: do i need to be member of that to listen to sound?
[06:39] <Badness45> so did i but it say invalid driver
[06:40] <Badness45> where did u get the driver form
[06:40] <Ac1dcrawl> Alright, got it, thanks for pointing out the obvious for me. :)
[06:40] <karljp> then you used the wrong driver?
[06:40] <Badness45> from
[06:40] <karljp> from dell
[06:40] <tritium> berkes, yes
[06:40] <karljp> did you get ndiswrapper 1.1?
[06:40] <Badness45> i tried the one from the system cd still don't work
[06:40] <Badness45> yeah
[06:40] <Badness45> ndiswrapper 1.1
[06:40] <karljp> and what actual card is it?
[06:40] <karljp> get the newest windows xp driver from their site
[06:41] <Badness45> the site only has the exe
[06:41] <karljp> I believe the howto says what do with that
[06:41] <karljp> doesn't it say "unzip the exe"
[06:43] <Badness45> hold let me see
[06:43] <geoffroy__> hey just a question
[06:43] <geoffroy__> I've got rar
[06:43] <geoffroy__> and i can't unrar archives
[06:44] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: u need non-free unrar
[06:44] <geoffroy__> oh ?
[06:44] <bur[n] er> in universe/multiverse
[06:44] <bur[n] er> free unrar doesn't do rar version 3
[06:44] <berkes> tritium: thanks. but it did not doe the trick "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)"
[06:44] <geoffroy__> ok
[06:44] <geoffroy__> thank bur[n] er
[06:45] <bur[n] er> berkes: add yourself to the "audio" group?
[06:45] <berkes> burner i am in there.
[06:45] <bur[n] er> oh... nevermind ;)
[06:45] <bur[n] er> ;)
[06:45] <bur[n] er> i didn't read the backlog
[06:45] <bur[n] er> sudo chmod 777 /dev/dsp should do the trick ;)
[06:46] <berkes> bur[n] er: hmmmm
[06:46] <tritium> berkes, you should log out and log back in after making changes to /etc/group
[06:46] <berkes> tritium: o? ill try a new session.
[06:46] <Badness45> karl: when i use the ndiswrapper install it say to use the .inf is that the only file i need
[06:46] <tritium> berkes, please do
[06:47] <bur[n] er> Badness45: usually a .sys file too
[06:47] <karljp> no, it will find the rest based on the inf file
[06:47] <Badness45> ok
[06:47] <Badness45> i never included that too
[06:47] <Badness45> maybe that's why
[06:47] <karljp> hehe
[06:48] <karljp> just unzip the entire exe and then do the ndiswrapper -i bit
[06:48] <bur[n] er> an inf is just a text file... not the actual driver ;)
[06:48] <karljp> stop trying to take shortcuts :)
[06:48] <karljp> I tried to take shortcuts the first three times
[06:48] <karljp> then decided to just follow the instructions and it worked straight away
[06:48] <bur[n] er> or buy supported hardware ;)
[06:49] <karljp> or make linux support more hardware :)
[06:50] <karljp> now, I just created a new partition on this virginal drive in it's usb enclsore,
[06:50] <geoffroy__> can't i unrar with hierarchy N
[06:50] <geoffroy__> i didn't find in man
[06:50] <karljp> and where did it get mounted. /media/idedisk or /media/usbdisk?
[06:50] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: unrar x blah.rar ?
[06:51] <bur[n] er> or just use file-roller
[06:51] <geoffroy__> file-roller ?
[06:51] <bur[n] er> file-roller is a gui compression app
[06:51] <bur[n] er> er... u use kde?
[06:52] <geoffroy__> no
[06:52] <bur[n] er> use ark if you're a kde guy
[06:52] <geoffroy__> gnome
[06:52] <Seveas> file-roller needs rar itself installed for unratting to work
[06:52] <Badness45> when i unzip i see like 10 files
[06:52] <bur[n] er> ok, file-roller it is then :)
[06:52] <geoffroy__> it seems it's installed
[06:52] <karljp> badness: yeah, just leave them
[06:52] <geoffroy__> i haven't seen it
[06:52] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: you're kidding?
[06:52] <karljp> what's the motivation for trying to pick out just the relevant one?
[06:52] <Badness45> so how do i use them
[06:52] <geoffroy__> =]
[06:52] <geoffroy__> yeah
[06:52] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: alt+f2, type "file-roller"
[06:52] <geoffroy__> it doesn't work on the rar archive
[06:52] <karljp> ndiswrapper -i the .inf
[06:52] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: or double click a .rar or .zip
[06:52] <karljp> how many .infs are there?
[06:52] <geoffroy__> this is the problem
[06:52] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: it does if you get the right rar :P
[06:52] <bur[n] er> the non-free one
[06:53] <Badness45> i included the bcmwl5.sys and bcmwl5.inf
[06:53] <bur[n] er> !RestrictedFormats
[06:53] <karljp> "included" means what?
[06:53] <Badness45> let me see
[06:53] <karljp> what are you doing?
[06:53] <geoffroy__> it's ok
[06:53] <geoffroy__> unrar worked
[06:53] <karljp> just get the .exe,
[06:53] <karljp> unzip it
[06:53] <geoffroy__> but file-roller..!
[06:53] <karljp> and ndiswrapper the .inf
[06:53] <karljp> and presto!
[06:54] <Badness45> 4
[06:54] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: check the wiki... i swear it's there somewhere ;)
[06:54] <bur[n] er> i forgot how to do it off the top of my head
[06:55] <Badness45> setup.inf bcmwl5a.inf and bcmwl5.inf bcmhom.inf
[06:55] <geoffroy__> ok
[06:55] <karljp> try the a one I think.
[06:55] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions  <--search for "unrar"
[06:55] <karljp> it's either of the bcmwl* ones.
[06:55] <karljp> one will work, one won't
[06:56] <karljp> I thought all this was on the howto page?
[06:56] <Badness45> but all says invalid driver
[06:56] <Badness45> i installed all except hom
[06:56] <karljp> well you'v elost me then.
[06:56] <Badness45> ok
[06:56] <agent> using "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" gives permission error right at the end of compile (when compile is "finished" when binaries are "moved"): ex. install: cannot create regular file `/usr/bin/qemu-img': Permission denied. HELP!!
[06:57] <Badness45> when i install the driver and it don't work i have to uninstall it
[06:57] <Badness45> or remove it
[06:57] <elcu> agent: use sudo
[06:57] <Seveas> agent, that means the package is quite flaky, which package is it?
[06:57] <Seveas> agent, do NOT use sudo!
[06:58] <Seveas> for building packages, NEVER be root
[06:58] <agent> Seveas, i figured one should not use sudo because thats root :)
[06:58] <agent> Seveas, hence i tried using fakeroot :)
[06:58] <elcu> sorry, still a noob :-)
[06:58] <Seveas> agent, which package is it
[06:58] <agent> me too!
[06:58] <agent> Seveas, im building qemu cvs
[06:58] <Seveas> elcu, then please don't give advise about things you don'y understand...
[06:59] <Badness45> hello
[06:59] <jmjones> i'm running hoary.  my machine froze, so i had to quasi-hard reboot (just hit the power button once and it shut down for me, walking down its kill sequence and shuts down).  when it came back up, gnome won't start.  i tried re-installing the ubuntu-desktop package, but that didn't work.  i tried moving my .gnome and .gnome2 directories.   that didn't work.  i'm in a terminal on that machine now and gnome-session is just hanging....any i
[06:59] <Seveas> agent, did you download a deb from the quemu site oslt?
[06:59] <elcu> Seveas: noted :-)
[06:59] <karljp> anyone know how to add a volume label with gparted?
[06:59] <agent> Seveas, it builds fine by itself (note: did not try "make install")...
[06:59] <agent> Seveas, no no no... im making my own deb (first one!)
[06:59] <Seveas> ah ok :)
[07:00] <geoffroy__> Seveas, ?
[07:00] <geoffroy__> are u using something for radio signal ?
[07:00] <geoffroy__> or just the script u gave me ?
[07:00] <Seveas> did you go the checkinstall way?
[07:00] <geoffroy__> only.
[07:00] <agent> Seveas, did the whole dh_make routine correctly (i think)... edited debian/ and all
[07:00] <Seveas> geoffroy_, i only use that script
[07:00] <geoffroy__> hmm ok
[07:01] <agent> Seveas, checkinstall? are you asking me?
[07:01] <Seveas> agent, did you edit the makefile so that it takes a debian $(PREFIX)
[07:01] <agent> Seveas, no :(
[07:01] <Seveas> agent, checkinstall is an automated way of creating a package
[07:01] <Badness45> karl: where did u get the install from
[07:01] <Seveas> it means, run ./configure and make yourself
[07:01] <Seveas> and instead of sudo make install, you run sudo checkinstall
[07:01] <karljp> I got mine from the dell site.
[07:02] <Seveas> (try without the sudo first)
[07:02] <karljp> checkinstall is kickass
[07:02] <agent> Seveas, oooh.... does checkinstall make debs or just... err... check the install? ;)
[07:02] <Seveas> it makes debs
[07:02] <karljp> checkinstall watches what happens during a make install
[07:02] <karljp> and makes a deb and installs it
[07:02] <dave_> anyone had any sucess using webmin. I'm having trouble getting it installed.
[07:02] <karljp> so you can give it to your friends or dpkg -P it later.
[07:02] <Seveas> dave_ what's the problem>
[07:03] <Badness45> i hate hp
[07:03] <binbrain> anybody know of an app that can monitor hardware changes in a network?
[07:03] <agent> Seveas, so one does not need ot use nh_make and dpkg-buldpackage? only do the whole ./configure, make, then checkinstall routine? thats all? no debian config files to edit?
[07:03] <Seveas> agent, well, the dh_make is the cleanest way of doing things :)
[07:03] <dave_> Seveas: I've done an apt-get install of webmin, then made a symbolic link into my /var/www directory. But when I try to access the page it won't handle the perl script
[07:03] <agent> Seveas, i see :)
[07:04] <dave_> Seveas: Firefox wants to download the script
[07:04] <agent> karljp, thanks for the info...
[07:04] <Seveas> dave_, are you running apache too?
[07:04] <Seveas> webmin is not apache...
[07:04] <dave_> Seveas: I've got apache running as well as mysql, php4 and perl installed
[07:05] <alekandr> anyone know of any php editors in the ubuntu apt list? or php-ide's ?
[07:05] <Seveas> dave_, please read the webmin docs to see how to access it :)
[07:05] <Seveas> alekandr, vim ;)
[07:05] <Seveas> with php syntax highlighting
[07:05] <dr_willis> webmin - https://localhost:10000
[07:05] <agent> Seveas, if i use checkinstall, do i need to configure anything like makefile? (sorry to keep bothering you, i swear i will read the man file :)
[07:06] <karljp> ./configure anyoptions you want
[07:06] <karljp> make
[07:06] <karljp> sudo checkinstall
[07:06] <dr_willis> however - if you did not have root with an actual password - it used to be that webmin installed with no root acount. and you had to add one.
[07:06] <alekandr> Seveas: i was thinking more along the lines of an editor with debug options as well as an output view!
[07:06] <Seveas> alekandr, for php there are none, neither are there for windows..
[07:06] <dave_> Seveas: I'm thinking my server is not handling the perl script properly
[07:06] <karljp> then you broke it good an proper.
[07:06] <alekandr> Seveas: incorrect
[07:07] <Seveas> dave_, your webserver should not handle it
[07:07] <agent> karljp, ok... so i should use sudo with checkinstall, not fakeroot or something of that sort, right?
[07:07] <Seveas> webmin is its own webserver
[07:07] <Seveas> alekandr, ok sorry :)
[07:07] <karljp> checkinstall will use fakeroot
[07:07] <mirak> hi
[07:07] <dave_> Seveas: doesn't apache parse the script and produce html output
[07:07] <alekandr> Seveas: there are 3, php-ide, php-dev-ide php-designer-2005
[07:07] <karljp> checkinstall needs to be sudo'd depending on what configure options you needed
[07:07] <agent> karljp, i see... thanks a lot!
[07:07] <karljp> if you would need to sudo make install, then you would need to sudo checkinstall
[07:07] <Badness45> i am confused
[07:08] <karljp> if you configured to install into your home dir
[07:08] <karljp> then you don't need to sudo checkinstall (i believe)
[07:08] <mirak> hi
[07:08] <agent> karljp, gotcha!
[07:08] <karljp> (I've never actually tried that way though)
[07:08] <agent> karljp, makes sense.... and to make sure, checkinstall only makes the binary right? it does not isntall the actual "package" ala make install
[07:08] <karljp> no, it does the make install part as well.
[07:09] <karljp> it basically completely replaces "make install"
[07:09] <karljp> only you get a deb at the end of it that you can resuse
[07:09] <karljp> and it's listed for you to uninstall with your favourite package manager
[07:10] <agent> karljp, i see... so does it then "install" the deb... that is, it will show up with apt?
[07:10] <housetier> I thought its used like "checkinstall -D make install" and it will give you a .deb at the end
[07:10] <karljp> that was what I was saying with the last bit yes :)
[07:10] <karljp> houstier, I think that might be the default
[07:11] <chrisp> how can i add a command to the boot sequence?  (something like rc.local)
[07:11] <karljp> cos I've just done it as sudo checkinstall, and I've got the deb at the end.
[07:12] <agent> karljp, okay! thanks again... ill have to read up on this command.... i have only been using debian-based (ubuntu being first debian distro) for a few days so im not all familiar with it just yet :)
[07:13] <karljp> lots of people don't use it.
[07:13] <karljp> if you're sure you want it, and aren't likely to remove it, you can just make install like normal :)
[07:13] <karljp> I just like it as it lets me see in dpkg -l
[07:13] <karljp> debian has all sorts of trickery
[07:14] <Badness45> KARL: can u take a look of the install i followed  http://www.runithard.com/HOWTO-BCOM64WIRELESS/
[07:14] <karljp> oh wowo
[07:14] <karljp> I thought you were looking at the ubuntu ndiswrapper howto :)
[07:14] <Badness45> no
[07:14] <karljp> you need 64bit?
[07:14] <Badness45> where is that
[07:14] <Badness45> my laptop is a 64bit
[07:15] <karljp> are you running a 64bit kernel?
[07:15] <Badness45> yeah
[07:15] <karljp> stupid google
[07:15] <karljp> the page I wanted used to show up first
[07:16] <karljp> now it's just full of whiners on the forums
[07:16] <geovino> hi
[07:16] <geovino> how do I show my hda icon on the desktop?
[07:16] <geovino> it's my winxp drive
[07:17] <karljp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowtoUseNdiswrapperOnAmd64Ubuntu
[07:17] <karljp> try tha tone.
[07:17] <mindspore> server irc.rizon.net
[07:17] <karljp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[07:17] <karljp> that's the one I used
[07:17] <geogeo> anybody here has a laptop working on ubuntu ?
[07:17] <nanot3ch> Hey, what permissions do I need for PHP / Apache2? When I try to run phpinfo, it gives me errors that /usr/share/php could not be included...
[07:17] <geovino> karljp: can you explain it here? I've looked at that before
[07:18] <karljp> geogeo; /me is on a laptop right now
[07:18] <geogeo> ok
[07:18] <karljp> suspend to ram (sleep) is not as good as it should be
[07:18] <karljp> aka, I don't have it working yet, but I've done it once
[07:18] <geogeo> when system is running on battery power
[07:18] <geogeo> i've got 2h-2H30 hours left
[07:18] <Badness45> ok
[07:18] <geogeo> I should have 5 hours
[07:18] <geogeo> apmd is installed..!
[07:19] <karljp> did you really want apmd?
[07:19] <_hp_> anyone know of a editor like ultraedit for linux?
[07:19] <karljp> or did you just read that you should do that somewhere on the web?
[07:19] <karljp> apm is the old way iirc
[07:19] <geogeo> yeah but i haven't installed apmd
[07:19] <karljp> does it actually only last for 2 hours or so
[07:19] <geogeo> it was here by default
[07:19] <TobiasFar> what config do i have to write in GRUB config to let it also start Ubuntu?
[07:19] <karljp> or does it actually lasst for 5?
[07:19] <geogeo> for 2
[07:19] <dave_> dr_willis: you suggested https://localhost:10000. I'm setting things up from another computer on the network and I can't get permission. Any idea why?
[07:20] <karljp> hp: many many editors in linux
[07:20] <geogeo> and battery is full
[07:20] <karljp> do you have a second battery?
[07:20] <karljp> that it's just not using?
[07:20] <Fackamato> What do I need to install in order to have an NFS server?
[07:20] <Fackamato> i.e. export shares
[07:20] <karljp> or isn't it scaling back like it should?
[07:20] <geogeo> on windows, I've got 5 or 6 hours
[07:20] <_hp_> i'm looking for one that can find/replace text in a whole directory of files and with syntax highlighting
[07:20] <karljp> just as my desktop
[07:20] <geogeo> with ubuntu, just 2H30
[07:20] <karljp> hp just about all of them can do that.
[07:21] <karljp> you can try gedit for starters, as it's there by default
[07:21] <karljp> see if it meets your needs.
[07:22] <karljp> geo; what does /proc/cpufreq say?
[07:22] <karljp> what is minimum?
[07:22] <joe|code> I have a funny....
[07:22] <geogeo> minimum ?
[07:22] <karljp> do you have that file?
[07:23] <geogeo> yeah yeah
[07:23] <jeroen_> joe|code, what is it?
[07:23] <karljp> CPU  0       600000 kHz ( 42 %)  -    1400000 kHz (100 %)  -  userspace
[07:23] <geogeo> 600 000
[07:23] <joe|code> I went to the local LUG last week after not attending for a couple months and everyone there was using Ubuntu
[07:23] <joe|code> everyone!
[07:23] <geogeo> CPU  0       600000 kHz ( 37 %)  -    1600000 kHz (100 %)  -  userspace
[07:23] <karljp> so it should be doing it.
[07:23] <_hp_> is there a way to specify what the fourth button on my mouse does. it's working it just does what i don't want it to do
[07:23] <geogeo> ahah
[07:24] <jeroen_> joe|code, that's impressive :o
[07:26] <dave_> anyone have any experience setting up webmin. I have it installed on another machine and am trying to access it from my machine. However I get an access denied and I don't know what to do with that
[07:26] <Badness45> what is apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:26] <geogeo>  Modem untested. For suspend to RAM, needs APM (not ACPI) : add 'apm=on acpi=off nolapic' (without quotes) to kernel options in /boot/grub/menu.lst , add apm to /etc/modules, and add shpchp and pciehp to /etc/hotplug/blacklist.
[07:26] <geogeo> oups
[07:26] <foxiness> is there page how-to install and configure wine on hoary ? "im found one for ubuntu4"
[07:27] <karljp> geo: where did that all come from?
[07:27] <Rubin> is there a way to export the list of installed packages, and make them marked for install on another system? (to 'copy' it)
[07:27] <TeamMCC> hi, wondering if anyone was able to get freenet to work? or if there is any documentation on setting it up for ubuntu?
[07:28] <geogeo> from wiki karljp
[07:28] <jeroen_> Is there a Free Software alternative for Skype? (preferably one which can connect with Skype), or is someone reverse-engineering it?
[07:28] <foxiness> Rubin, i think u ask about kickstart
[07:28] <karljp> which wiki page?
[07:28] <Rubin> thanks foxiness
[07:29] <g0dot> I guess the ubuntu security update on firefox fixes the new exploit?
[07:30] <karljp> heh, I'm listed as a contributer to the ndiswrapper broadcom page, and my only contribution is no longer in the page :)
[07:30] <jeroen_> anyone?
[07:30] <foxiness> Rubin, nps , you are welcome
[07:30] <Hoxzer> you born you take shit., you grow a little bit you take more shit, you grow again and you take some less shit, then you grow again and you dont even remember what shit was
[07:30] <geogeo> i http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM
[07:31] <geogeo> karljp, where in menu.lst should I add "apm=on"..
[07:31] <Amaranth> jeroen_: Someone has documented a very small part of the protocol, there is no project I know of that is attempting to work with Skype.
[07:31] <chaoticoz> hey guys :>
[07:31] <Amaranth> jeroen_: This is why you use open protocols. :)
[07:31] <geogeo> yo
[07:31] <foxiness> chaoticoz, hi
[07:31] <chaoticoz> question: how can i change my root pw?
[07:31] <jeroen_> Amaranth, yes I know. I love open protocols
[07:31] <geogeo> passwd root ?
[07:31] <jeroen_> chaoticoz: sudo passwd
[07:31] <geogeo> sudo passwd yeah..
[07:31] <chaoticoz> im on linux since 3 days
[07:31] <geogeo> sudo sudo..
[07:31] <chaoticoz> so go easy on me :D
[07:31] <chaoticoz> k thx :>
[07:32] <jeroen_> chaoticos: okay :)
[07:32] <geogeo> it's okay, everybody is easy here
[07:32] <geogeo> goes easy.
[07:32] <geogeo> i'm a DICK
[07:32] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, do you know how to open a terminal?
[07:32] <karljp> geo: you can just put it on the end of the kernel line
[07:32] <TeamMCC> anyone using freenet?
[07:32] <chaoticoz> ye jeroen_
[07:32] <_hp_> someone recommend me a good editor other than emacs and vim with syntax highlighting and a global search/replace...
[07:32] <chaoticoz> a friend told me how to
[07:32] <karljp> or you can try and get tricky with grub's kopt stuff
[07:32] <karljp> but I wouldn't bother
[07:32] <gus_> hoa
[07:32] <chaoticoz> but he isnt online atm :)
[07:32] <geogeo> ok
[07:32] <karljp> didn't I tell you about gedit earlier hp?
[07:33] <_hp_> karljp, tried it, no global search/replace
[07:33] <karljp> really?
[07:33] <geogeo> I'll test
[07:33] <geogeo> see ya
[07:33] <karljp> well use vim then
[07:33] <chaoticoz> kk, that worked
[07:33] <karljp> :)
[07:33] <foxiness> _hp_, am not using nano but maybe it
[07:33] <chaoticoz> thx
[07:33] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, okay, then just type "sudo passwd". Sudo means 'superuser do', you will need your password for that. Then it'll ask you for a new password for Root (twice).
[07:33] <chaoticoz> :)
[07:33] <chaoticoz> yeah
[07:33] <chaoticoz> i did it in root terminal
[07:33] <Badness45> karl: what is modprobe
[07:33] <karljp> what do you call global search and replae hp?
[07:33] <kestas> so can you guys not afford windows xp or something?
[07:33] <karljp> it has a search for/replace with /replace all setting
[07:34] <karljp> badness, I can't explain that well,
[07:34] <chaoticoz> another question: can i somehow use my old windows partition in linux?
[07:34] <Badness45> when i try to do that it says fatal error
[07:34] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, yes
[07:34] <karljp> but basically it loads a module by name, and any modules it depends on.
[07:34] <chaoticoz> :o
[07:34] <chaoticoz> how? :)
[07:34] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, is it FAT or NTFS?
[07:34] <foxiness> chaoticoz, its easy
[07:34] <chaoticoz> ntfs, i thinl
[07:34] <_hp_> chaoticoz, mount -t ntfs location mountpoint
[07:34] <Badness45> the operation not permitted
[07:34] <chaoticoz> think*
[07:34] <chaoticoz> ;o
[07:34] <karljp> well, you need to do it with sudo
[07:34] <chaoticoz> so much help in here :D
[07:34] <chaoticoz> thats coool
[07:34] <chaoticoz> -o
[07:34] <jeroen_> np
[07:34] <karljp> the broadcom ndis wiki does it with a root shell
[07:35] <_hp_> chaoticoz, open a root terminal and do vi /etc/fstab
[07:35] <foxiness> chaoticoz, lol
[07:35] <jeroen_> do you want it to mount ("load") at boot?
[07:35] <chaoticoz> yeah
[07:35] <g0dot> does anyone know whether the ubuntu firefox update fixes the newly discovered exploit or not?
[07:35] <Badness45> before anything i do a sudo -s
[07:35] <chaoticoz> did it _hp_
[07:35] <chaoticoz> shall i paste here?
[07:35] <karljp> or just put a sudo in front of most of the lines like I did badness :)
[07:35] <jeroen_> never paste here plz
[07:35] <chaoticoz> ok
[07:35] <chaoticoz> :)
[07:35] <jeroen_> not big stuff
[07:35] <_hp_> chaoticoz, don't, just edit it
[07:35] <foxiness> can anyone point me to good doc for wine on hoary
[07:35] <jeroen_> www.ubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:36] <jeroen_> foxiness: it "just works" for me
[07:36] <Badness45> man i give up thanks for ur help
[07:36] <_hp_> chaoticoz, do you know where your windows partitions are?
[07:36] <Badness45> i'll stick to windows
[07:36] <kestas> hahah windows emulation
[07:36] <kestas> on linux
[07:36] <chaoticoz> well
[07:36] <chaoticoz> i think its /dev/hdb2
[07:36] <_hp_> Badness45, ever tried crossover ?
[07:36] <jeroen_> kestas: WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator ;)
[07:37] <kestas> then what is it?
[07:37] <kestas> an api?
[07:37] <Badness45> nah what is that
[07:37] <foxiness> jeroen_, k , apt-get install wine "that is all :)" nice
[07:37] <kestas> an api which emulates windows
[07:37] <chaoticoz>  <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[07:37] <jeroen_> foxiness: that worked for me
[07:37] <chaoticoz> what shall i put for options? :o
[07:37] <_hp_> chaoticoz, add this line: /dev/hdb2 MOUNTPT ntfs defaults,umask=0000 0 0
[07:37] <chaoticoz> (sorry for paste :x)
[07:37] <chaoticoz> ok thx :D
[07:37] <TeamMCC> anyone here use(d) freenet?
[07:37] <_hp_> chaoticoz, options should be defaults,umask=0000
[07:37] <kestas> with wine you can emulate solitair!
[07:37] <chaoticoz> ok
[07:38] <kestas> thats about it but hey
[07:38] <kestas> its worth it
[07:38] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, paste is okay, it's just that we don't want you to paste a complete file
[07:38] <_hp_> anyone here try gimpshop?
[07:38] <alekandr> how would one go abouts suggestion the adding of a package into the ubuntu apt repo ?
[07:38] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, that's *very* anoying
[07:38] <chaoticoz> oh
[07:38] <chaoticoz> yeah :>
[07:38] <jeroen_> alekandr, for universe?
[07:38] <alekandr> jeroen_: indeed so
[07:38] <chaoticoz> how can i save the file with vi?
[07:38] <dravine> :wq
[07:38] <_hp_> chaoticoz, :wq
[07:38] <chaoticoz> thx
[07:38] <chaoticoz> :>
[07:39] <kestas> its so obvious
[07:39] <kestas> colon w q
[07:39] <jeroen_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates
[07:39] <kestas> colon for command
[07:39] <kestas> w for write
[07:39] <kestas> q for quit
[07:39] <kestas> what could be easier?
[07:39] <_hp_> :q!
[07:39] <kestas> file>save and file>quit?
[07:39] <jamesio> can you guys recommend a good gnome file manager similiar to windows explorer?
[07:39] <kestas> or file>save and the cross in the top left
[07:39] <jeroen_> alekandr, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates
[07:40] <kestas> how about just using windows numb nuts?
[07:40] <jeroen_> jamesio, nautilus is similar, you just need to change the settings
[07:40] <chaoticoz> kestas: /quit woulkd be easier for me :)
[07:40] <alekandr> jeroen_: thanks :D
[07:40] <jamesio> numb nuts???
[07:40] <jeroen_> jamesio, mine looks pretty similar to windows explorer
[07:40] <kestas> except drag and drop is drag and crash
[07:40] <karljp> gvim
[07:40] <jamesio> I've used nautilus... was just hoping to get a myriad of answers and then test them all
[07:40] <kestas> and copy and paste
[07:40] <kestas> is copy and crash
[07:40] <dravine> rox
[07:41] <kestas> and click and play
[07:41] <kestas> is click and crash
[07:41] <jeroen_> jamesio, okay. It's somewhere in settings, you need to click something IIRC.   I'll play with the settings.  ever use any others like it?
[07:42] <_hp_> jamesh, nautilus is pretty much like windows explorer if you change information to tree
[07:42] <jeroen_> jamesio, _hp_ is right
[07:42] <chaoticoz> how can i unmount a disk?
[07:42] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, umount /dev/hdb2
[07:42] <kestas> hahah
[07:42] <jamesio> _hp_, I did that.  I was hoping people used other similiar apps... there might just be another out there that I'm not familiar with.
[07:42] <chaoticoz> thx :D
[07:43] <dave_> anyone have any sucess getting webmin to work? I can't get access to the setup page
[07:43] <kestas> how do I uhhhh make it look and act like windows?
[07:43] <kestas> and run windows programs?
[07:43] <kestas> and not crash?
[07:43] <jamesio> kestas, you're an idiot.
[07:43] <zxc> if I just want to open a "Mathematica" executables (shell file?) in terminal how do I do it?
[07:43] <zxc> don't I just cd to the directory and type "Mathematica" which is the filename?
[07:43] <kestas> because Im not using your oh so leet os?
[07:43] <chaoticoz> 1 more question: :/ how can i set the mounted disk so i can open it as normal user?
[07:44] <jeroen_> zxc if they're in your home, or any directory in which you can execute files, use ./executablefilename
[07:44] <jamesio> kestas, what os???  windows or ubuntu?  I use both.
[07:44] <dravine> kestas, you are why stem cell research should be allowed, because it's evident that you're a waste of carbon
[07:44] <xilch|w> kestas: to run windows apps you need wine
[07:44] <AirWays> Hmm
[07:44] <kestas> thanks xilch|w
[07:44] <AirWays> How I can update my Warty to Hoary?
[07:44] <zxc> mathematica cannot determine operating system.
[07:44] <AirWays> I dont have X-server
[07:44] <kestas> but how do I stop it crashing?
[07:44] <karljp> or just make it work a bit faster
[07:44] <_hp_> chaoticoz, you have your options wrong, in /etc/fstab make sure that the options are defaults,umask=0000
[07:44] <jeroen_> AirWays, look at the wiki
[07:44] <chaoticoz> yeah
[07:44] <karljp> mine just decided to not copy all the files I'd selected to the other drive
[07:44] <chaoticoz> but when i try with /mount
[07:44] <AirWays> URL?
[07:45] <kestas> when I type apt-get wine it says
[07:45] <chaoticoz> i dont want to reboot atm :/
[07:45] <kestas> 'get windows dipshit
[07:45] <kestas> whats up with that?
[07:45] <jeroen_> kestas, apt-get install wine
[07:45] <kestas> ahhh
[07:45] <karljp> you got the special version of wine.
[07:45] <geogeo> hey hey
[07:45] <karljp> ACME::Insulteh::User
[07:45] <geogeo> I've got another question \o/
[07:45] <geogeo> about printers
[07:45] <karljp> hows this one look geo?