[02:03] <kz> I'm a little puzzled by this.
[02:03] <kz> http://dpaste.com/10RQAC0
[02:04] <kz> transform(obj) merely mutates the object in its scope, right? So why does calling transform on the items in the original list... mutate the items in that list?
[02:05] <kz> (Oops, my bad, I thought I was in #python)
[03:16] <aquinnjr_> gotta love cellular internet services
[04:03] <jesus-pc> hello
[06:30] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:53] <TomTom> good morning, any idea why the akonadiserver uses two processes and all of its logoutput in the akonadi console is doubled?
[06:53] <valorie> that doesn't sound right!
[06:54] <valorie> but I would ask in #kontact
[06:54] <valorie> and there actually could be an akonadi chan
[06:54] <valorie> sec
[06:55] <valorie> yup, #akonadi
[06:57] <TomTom> i did already evil things and cross posted my stuff in multiple kde related channels. but #akonadi is still missing. thanks B-)
[07:13] <valorie> TomTom: alis is the magic way to search: /msg alis list *searchterm*
[07:13] <valorie> there is a chan on freenode for just about anyway
[07:13] <valorie> anything, I mean
[11:42] <TomyWork> hi
[11:43] <TomyWork> on kubuntu 18.04, what's the recommended way to start an ssh agent with the kde session?
[11:59] <TomyWork> also, with the default volume control thingy, how do i move audio streams to another device
[12:00] <TomyWork> with kmix, that is easy to do, so i dont know why it was replaced
[12:00] <TomyWork> i kinda liked that feature. it was one thing that windows lacked that i could brag about :D
[12:21] <diogenes_> TomyWork, pavucontrol.
[12:31] <TomyWork> diogenes_, that's the default thing?
[12:32] <TomyWork> can i replace that by kmix somehow?
[12:32] <diogenes_> TomyWork, not: sudo apt install pavucontrol
[12:32] <TomyWork> diogenes_, that *replaces* the default volume thingy by something that can move streams to other devices?
[12:33] <diogenes_> TomyWork, that is the control center for pulseaudio, it does a lot of things.
[12:33] <TomyWork> diogenes_, kmix already allows me to move streams
[12:33] <diogenes_> then use kmix.
[12:33] <TomyWork> i am looking for a way to make the thing that starts up with kde to move streams
[12:34] <TomyWork> or replace it by kmix
[12:34] <TomyWork> my problem is that when i start kmix, i now have 2 volume icons
[12:34] <TomyWork> and kmix doesnt start with the kde session
[12:35] <diogenes_> TomyWork, in linux you can automatize everything.
[12:38] <TomyWork> i'm not looking forward to building a house of cards though
[12:40] <diogenes_> configuring your system to run the way you want i'd not call it house of cards.
[12:40] <diogenes_> but anyways, it's your business.
[12:40] <TomyWork> my idea of configuration is usually some declarative file format, not a script
[12:41] <diogenes_> no script needed, there is already settings built-in to create autostart a programs.
[12:42] <TomyWork> but that would not remove the other volume control, right?
[12:42] <TomyWork> anyway, i found how to do it with the other volume control thing
[12:43] <TomyWork> 1. click volume icon, 2. click settings icon, 3. click "Audio Volume", 4. click "Applications"
[12:43] <TomyWork> there you see a device drop-down box per appliction stream
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:46] <airsoftmodels> hello
[14:49] <BluesKaj> airsoftmodels, hi
[14:51] <airsoftmodels> hello all
 G'day


[03:01] <Roguehorse> Has anyone ever had to revert to an old kernel after an update?
[03:06] <DonkeyHotei> yes, when a driver broke
[03:26] <Roguehorse> I had someone ask through a mailing list. What is thebest way to go about this as I have never had this problem (yet)?
[03:53] <DonkeyHotei> well, since kernels don't get uninstalled automatically, just select it in grub
[04:39] <grantbow> Roguehorse: what DonkeyHotei said :-)
[04:40] <Roguehorse> so edit /etc/default/grub such as is mentioned here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/216398/set-older-kernel-as-default-grub-entry
[04:40] <darthrobot> Title: [grub2 - Set "older" kernel as default grub entry - Ask Ubuntu]
[04:40] <DonkeyHotei> no
[04:41] <Roguehorse> ??
[04:41] <Roguehorse> elaborate please
[04:41] <DonkeyHotei> select it once, then uninstall the newer kernel
[04:42] <Roguehorse> and if an update comes through that could repair the problem just retrieve the newer kernel manually?
[04:43] <DonkeyHotei> you don't need to retrieve the broken one, just go straight to the fixed one
[04:46] <Roguehorse> so if a person needs to roll back their kernel, they would also need to monitor the kernel patches to know when to revert back to the newer repaired kernel?
[04:47] <DonkeyHotei> it's what i would do
[04:48] <Roguehorse> and each release comes out on average about every 10 weeks (so I've heard) ... Hmmm - ok, thank you for your help
[04:48] <DonkeyHotei> kernel updates are on no set schedule
[04:49] <DonkeyHotei> and if one is broken, a fix is usually sooner rather than later
[04:49] <Roguehorse> I derived that conclusion from listening to Tervalds on some discussion panels
[04:49] <DonkeyHotei> uhm, he has no control over ubuntu kernel packaging
[04:49] <Roguehorse> true
[04:50] <Roguehorse> ok, thank you : )
[19:50] <DonkeyHotei> anyone about?


[14:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, guys. Do we have any systems in place to allow us to ban troublesome Telegram users? #kubuntu got hit with a crypto scam recently, by a user named "wisdom" coming in via IrcsomeBot (which I believe is Telegram). Is there some way for us to do the equivalent of a Matrix ban or a K-Line for Telegram?
[14:33] <arraybolt3[m]> (Another thing I just noticed is that the scam/spam link is a link to a Telegram chat, so perhaps we should also report the entire Telegram chatroom, in the event that it's a scam, like I suspect.)
[14:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Another problem: in #lubuntu, a user named da_youngzta just popped in, attempted to call the !ops trigger, then popped back out. However, they typoed the trigger (typing ops! rather than !ops), so it didn't trigger anything. However, this is a pretty obvious attempt at disruption.
[14:49] <arraybolt3[m]> (I'm noticing they didn't pop right back out, but instead ended up leaving due to ping timeout, but it still is an attempt to stir up trouble AFAICT.)
[15:04] <tomreyn> i can live with (potential) abusers writing a single, incorrectly formatted trigger, and diconnecting, that's not much of a 'problem' to me.
[15:04] <tomreyn> but then, i'm not a #lubuntu op
[15:06] <tomreyn> About telegram users / the IrcsomeBot, i think within the Ubuntu project namespace, this bridge is only in #kubuntu, so the ops of this channel would have to have a say.
[15:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: I'm an op for Telegram in #kubuntu. There's actually a verification system that has to be jumped through (basically "I'm not a robot"), but some jump through that just to post spam. They then post the spam, which makes it through the bridge. It can't be deleted on the IRC side, but can be deleted on the Telegram side.
[15:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Looks like any recent incidents have been dealt with.
[15:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> (also remember to leave this channel once your question has been answered :) )
[15:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Thank you! (I was afk, thus why I didn't already leave.) Thanks for all you do!


[07:44] <asac> morning
[07:44] <Nafallo> morning asac
[07:44] <asac> Nafallo: not yet on your way?
[07:45] <Nafallo> asac: nope. eating breakfast.
[07:46] <asac> hmm ... guess i should eat that cold pizza thing from last night ;)
[07:46] <Nafallo> heh
[07:46] <asac> i definitly need to get rid of it ;) ... otherwise no fun in kitchen when coming back
[07:46] <asac> leaving in ~20min
[07:47] <Nafallo> yah. I plan to do the same if possible.
[07:48] <asac> Nafallo: guess you have a direct flight, right?
[07:49] <Nafallo> asac: yeah
[07:49] <Nafallo> LCY-BCN
[07:49] <asac> Nafallo: i will be in barcelona @1300 UTC ... when do you arrive?
[07:49] <Nafallo> 12:35 or so :-)
[07:49] <Nafallo> if things go as planned
[07:49] <asac> local time?
[07:49] <Nafallo> yea.
[07:49] <asac> ok then we wont be on the same shuttle ;)
[07:50] <Nafallo> we'll see :-)
[07:50] <asac> ok bye. see you latest at dinner party tonight!
[07:50] <asac> good luck!
[07:50] <asac> ;)
[07:50] <Nafallo> asac: see you soon :-)
[07:53] <asac> enjoy!
[07:53]  * asac off
[11:14] <chrisccoulson> it's quiet in there this morning
[11:15] <Laney> everyone in barcelona?
[11:34] <chrisccoulson> Laney - yeah, I reckon so
[11:34] <chrisccoulson> you not going?
[11:34] <Laney> fraid not
[11:58] <slomo> robert_ancell: hi :) do you have a libgdata package, as needed by the new totem youtube plugin?
[11:59] <robert_ancell> slomo: no, I haven't updated that
[12:00] <slomo> robert_ancell: do you know if someone is working on libgdata? also, do you have your updated totem package somewhere? i'll merge it with the one from debian/experimental later then
[12:00] <robert_ancell> slomo: I don't know of anyone working on it
[12:01] <robert_ancell> slomo: my totem package is available at lp:~robert-ancell/totem/ubuntu
[12:03] <slomo> robert_ancell: how can i clone that branch? does bzr support lp: uris?
[12:05] <slomo> robert_ancell: one thing, you should also recommend gst-plugins-bad :)
[12:08] <slomo> robert_ancell: and thanks, i'll merge the packages later so you might be able to sync from debian/experimental next time
[14:31] <kenvandine> quiet in here
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it is
[14:35]  * Laney bangs some pots
[14:37]  * chrisccoulson hands Laney a wooden spoon to bang on the pots
[14:37] <seb128> ok, so I've been trying banshee
[14:37] <seb128> the thing is basically identic to rhythmbox
[14:37] <seb128> better looking
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> nice:)
[14:38] <seb128> but eating twice the memory, having the lyrics, jamendo or magnatune by default
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> i tried banshee some time ago but it was taking ages to search my music library
[14:38] <seb128> the -> no
[14:39] <seb128> the ipod sync deleted my ipod content with asking when I tried to click on it
[14:40] <seb128> otherwise import seems a bit faster but they don't use gstreamer for that so that would not be a good argument
[14:40] <seb128> ie they will not benefit from gstreamer becoming better
[15:52] <slomo> robert_ancell: another thing... you should probably make totem-{gstreamer,xine} dummy packages and make totem the real package
[15:53] <robert_ancell> slomo: is there any need to make them dummy packages?  The new totem replaces/conflicts with them
[15:54] <slomo> robert_ancell: in ubuntu probably not, in debian there is (atm)... but you still have those packages in control.in and use them
[15:55] <robert_ancell> oh i see, the conflicts will be a broken link if they are removed
[15:55] <slomo> robert_ancell: oh i see, you only updated control, not control.in
[15:55] <robert_ancell> slomo: gtg, talk to you later
[15:56] <slomo> robert_ancell: ok, also you should remove the alternatives...
[15:56] <crevette> hello chaps
[20:34] <artir> the meeting was held today?


[03:19] <mup> Bug #1741165 opened: Deleting a machine from a KVM pod doesn't delete its disk image <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741165>
[09:52] <RADHE> ASUS 1 U MACHINE NOT ABLE TO POWER UP BY MAAS
[09:52] <RADHE> also after deployment not able to communicate to node,,
[15:40] <mup> Bug #1741279 opened: Machine interface configuration changes when preseed is requested <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741279>
[15:43] <mup> Bug #1741279 changed: Machine interface configuration changes when preseed is requested <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741279>
[15:49] <mup> Bug #1741279 opened: Machine interface configuration changes when preseed is requested <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741279>
[16:19] <mup> Bug #1738858 changed: [2.3] Machine's interface configuration gets reset when using external DHCP server. <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1738858>
[17:50] <mup> Bug #1741302 opened: [2.3] Incorrect class attribute in websocket causes undefined behavior <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741302>
[22:02] <mup> Bug #1741351 opened: maas_url in rackd.conf set to http://localhost:5240/MAAS after upgrade from 2.2.2 to 2.3.0 <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741351>