[07:49] <obounaim> Hello everybody
[07:54] <obounaim> When I was trying to merge honeyd from Debian I had a conflict that I am a bit confused about it, if someone can take a look and tell what I will be very thankful. conflicts at line 71 and 85 http://paste.ubuntu.com/1325802/
[08:15] <dupondje> obounaim: it needs to be merged ?
[08:16] <obounaim> dupondje, according to http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/bugs/rcbugs/raring/
[08:17] <dupondje> ah libevent1 bp
[08:17] <dupondje> bd
[08:18] <dupondje> well if you merge it, the only difference should be the libevent1-dev change in debian/control & debian/changelog
[08:18] <dupondje> otherwise it should be 100% the same as debian version:)
[08:20] <obounaim> so concerning the conflicts in  ltmain.sh I should keep the debian version right?
[08:21] <obounaim> You can take look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/1325802/ line 71 and 85
[08:21] <dupondje> I would take the debian versions yep :)
[08:22] <dupondje> btw, it really needs to bd on libevent1 ? FTBFS with libevent-dev ?
[08:24] <obounaim> Ok thank you dupondje,
[18:32] <murrayc> I've branched a package via "bzr branch lp:debian/thepackage".
[18:32] <murrayc> And I've made a change and bzr committed it.
[18:33] <murrayc> I'm sure I've used "bzr push" before to put a new branch up on lp, but it's not working for me now:
[18:33] <murrayc> $ bzr push lp:~murrayc/libxml++2.6/with-tests
[18:33] <murrayc> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~murrayc/libxml++2.6/with-tests/": : Project 'libxml++2.6' does not exist.
[18:33] <murrayc> What am I doing wrong?
[18:35] <murrayc> Thats what this page suggests:
[18:35] <murrayc> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/beta/en/tutorials/using_bazaar_with_launchpad.html
[18:39] <jbicha> murrayc: launchpad won't let you push there unless the libxml++2.6 project were created, in other words if https://launchpad.net/libxml++2.6 were a valid page
[18:39] <murrayc> Ah. So what should I do?
[18:39] <Laney> you probably mean something like lp:~murrayc/debian/sid/libxml++2.6/with-tests
[18:39] <murrayc> Ahaha.
[18:39] <Laney> I can't remember the exact format though
[18:40] <murrayc> I wonder if there's some way to use the lp:debian shorthand for that.
[18:41] <murrayc> And I wonder how I can get that documentation fixed.
[18:41] <Laney> the documentation is right, it's the UDD stuff that is special
[18:41] <murrayc> UDD?
[18:41] <Laney> the imported package branches
[18:42] <Laney> I believe it's documented in the ubuntu packaging guide on developer.ubuntu.com
[18:42] <murrayc> Ah, yes, I must find the other page that said the same thing but talked about the imported branches.
[18:42] <murrayc> Thanks.
[18:49] <murrayc> Laney: That's a very useful document. Thanks.
[18:49] <Laney> no worries
[18:53] <murrayc> Laney: Is there any sense in proposing a merge to the lp:debian branch? Wouldn't it need to become an ubuntu branch first?
[18:53] <Laney> those branches are read only
[18:53] <Laney> you can propose a merge to the Ubuntu branch though if you want it to be uploaded here
[18:55] <murrayc> Will there be an Ubuntu branch? Do all the packages have Ubuntu branches?
[18:55] <Laney> well, modulo bugs the ubuntu branch will be at lp:ubuntu/package
[18:56] <Laney> got to go catch a train
[18:57] <Laney> bye!
[18:57] <murrayc> Laney: Great. Thanks.
[18:57] <murrayc> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/libxml++/quantal
[19:35] <murrayc> I made my change (and merge request) against raring. If I had done it against quantal, is there any automatic thing that would merge the quantal changes into raring?
[19:35] <murrayc> Or is that just up to the package maintainer when he accepts the merge?
[19:38] <micahg> murrayc: no, you'd need to repropose against raring
[19:38] <murrayc> OK. Thanks.
[22:10] <Laney> phew, all home
[22:16] <dupondje> Some question. Lets say we want to build an RDP client (GUI). What SDK is preferred?
[22:16] <dupondje> GTK? QT? What else?


[16:52] <Mamarok> carolija: yeah, would spare us all a lot of time I guess :)
[16:52] <Steve^> I can make HTML pixel perfect - but I'd like to use OpenOffice if I could bend it to my will
[16:52] <carolija> Yea u r right...
[16:52] <Mamarok> Steve^: in OpenOffice you should do this in the writer, not in the html editor
[16:53] <Steve^> (OpenOffice has a HTML editor??)
[16:53] <Mamarok> Steve^: if you want professional layout though you should use scribus-ng
[16:53] <Barridus> uhhh, how do you search for files in kubuntu
[16:53] <Mamarok> Steve^: of course it has
[16:53] <Mamarok> Barridus: find in the command line or find in Dolphin
[16:54] <Barridus> oh it's in dolphin.  duh, thanks XD
[16:56] <Steve^> Mamarok, scribus is the equivalent to MS Publisher?
[16:56] <Mamarok> Steve^: yes, but the new one is called Scribus-ng
[16:58] <carolija> Why whan I open dolphin and i click on the Volume xt4 othr HDD I hav to give him root password ?
[16:58] <Shadoze> Secuirty reasons
[16:58] <carolija> he ask me for passwprd to use tha device
[16:58] <carolija> is there is som way to he dont ask me ?
[16:58] <Shadoze> Security, it will only ask once per session
[16:58] <carolija> some*
[16:58] <ActionParsnip> carolija: its mounted as root read/write only
[16:59] <Shadoze> I'm sure you can turn it off, but i wouldent recommend it ;)
[16:59] <carolija> yea mayb is beter like this
[16:59] <carolija> who know ...
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> just mount it properly and you'll be fine
[17:00] <carolija> KdeSudo
[17:00] <Shadoze> There is kde-sudo and normal sudo yes
[17:01] <Mamarok> carolija: kdesudo is only to start GUI apllications as root
[17:01]  * Mamarok needs a coffee now
[17:01] <Barridus> is there a way to get kde to automount usb drives on insertion?  it doesn't appear as though it does until you browse them
[17:01] <carolija> and what if i click on UNMOUNT ?
[17:02] <carolija> i mean on that HDD there is right click option "unmount"
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> Barridus: you can create an entry in fstab
[17:02] <dsmith_> why is /home/dsmith/Desktop not shown as THE desktop when one logs on on Kubuntu 9,04?
[17:03] <Barridus> ActionParsnip, that's the only way?
[17:03] <jussi01> dsmith_: it is on there as a folderview, no?
[17:03] <dsmith_> no
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> Barridus: its one way
[17:04] <Mamarok> Barridus: KDE 4.2.2. does so, but in Jaunty no more :(
[17:04] <jussi01> dsmith_: right click the desktop, click add widgets, drag folderview to the desktop
[17:04] <dsmith_> i downloaded a few files and they did not appear on the main desktop, they are buried on /home/dsmith/Desktop
[17:05] <jussi01> dsmith_: you may need to click on the wrench to set it to your desktop folder
[17:05] <BluesKaj> dsmith_, buried ? , whynot use folder or quickaccess view ?
[17:06] <dsmith_> yea buried, this double desktop thing doesn't make any sense
[17:06] <dsmith_> if I deploy this to windows converts they would be confused. heh
[17:06] <BluesKaj> ya don't need desktop
[17:06] <Barridus> Mamarok, ActionParsnip, that sucks.  thanks for the info though
[17:06] <dsmith_> ok jussi01 that worked
[17:07] <jussi01> dsmith_: excellent! :)
[17:07] <BluesKaj> i use both and desktop is last place to store stuff IMO , becomes much too cluttered after a while
[17:07] <dsmith_> but why do I need an extra folder thingy on my desktop already to show my desktop
[17:07] <tzanger> haha... now that I'm watching in top, it doesn't pause when unlocking
[17:08] <dsmith_> can this folder view be min?
[17:08] <tzanger> but Xorg and kscreensaver or something like that (kssaver_lock?) was the top CPU user processes
[17:08] <jussi01> dsmith_: its a new way of doing it. if you prefer, you can have the traditional desktop back
[17:08] <Oceanwatcher> I am looking for a plugin or tool that can find, let me compare and merge duplicates in the addressbook. Any ideas?
[17:08] <dsmith_> jussi01: ok, but could I minimize this folder view?
[17:08] <jussi01> dsmith_: with folderview,you can add several different folders to the desktop to be displayed
[17:08] <dsmith_> down to say an icon?
[17:09] <jussi01> dsmith_: no, its part of the desktop
[17:09] <Shadoze> jussi, how do you go abuo tgetting traditional desktop
[17:09] <dsmith_> ok... well I can resize it
[17:09] <Shadoze> you mentioned it not long ago ;)
[17:09] <jussi01> dsmith_: just repeat the proceedure to add another folder view if you want 2.
[17:10] <matty_> How can i set a default Look-Profile in Konqueror3?
[17:10] <dsmith_> and I can scroll with it
[17:10] <jussi01> Shadoze: right click the desktop, desktop settings, type: folder view
[17:10] <dsmith_> hmmmmmmmmmm
[17:11] <jussi01> dsmith_: when you have it looking how you want, you can lock it down with right click desktop, lock widgets
[17:11] <Shadoze> Oh i knew about folder view, i thought you were going to tell me like kde3 lol
[17:11] <jussi01> Shadoze: no... try it out - it makes the desktop like kde3
[17:11] <Steve^> Mamarok, I find it a bad start when I can't figure out how to add text to a table (Scribus-ng) :(
[17:11] <matty_> I want to load the Profile "Data" on every Konqueror Startup, how can i do that? Konqueror3
[17:12] <Shadoze> Aye jussi, but the rest if my desktop is just bare and empty
[17:12] <Shadoze> *of my even
[17:14] <jussi01> Shadoze: just like in kde3...
[17:16] <Shadoze> any idea how to strech it to be the whole desktop big
[17:16] <Shadoze> Just i cant seem to stretch it downwards
[17:18] <jussi01> Shadoze: move it to the bottom and strech upwards??
[17:18] <Mamarok> Steve^: it's professional publishing software, not an Office Suite
[17:18] <Shadoze> Nvm got it, you have to drag it right dwon to the botton, then stretch it up from there
[17:19] <tsimpson> Shadoze: you can set the entire desktop to folderview
[17:20] <Shadoze> Cheers for the help jussi01 , how to tsimpson?
[17:20] <Shadoze> At the moment its streched to take up the whole desktop
[17:21] <Steve^> Mamarok, so it shouldn't be user friendly?
[17:21] <Shadoze> Don't get me wrong i love the new widget idea, just eye candy on the desktop dosn't really have much appeal to me
[17:21] <Mamarok> Steve^: well, it's aimed at publishers who know their stuff
[17:23] <Mamarok> Steve^: usually, the text is added copy+paste from a text editor in publishing
[17:23] <tsimpson> something just killed X :s
[17:23] <draik> Hello everyone. I'm not sure what is happening, but my USB, much like my ethernet, times out and disconnects entirely. No warning or anything 'polite', just suddenly dies and I have to restart my computer.
[17:24] <p_quarles> draik: both events should leave some kind of record in dmesg, I would hope
[17:25] <draik> p_quarles: I'll plug in something to USB and see what happens. Doesn't seem like there is, but I'll double-check.
[17:26] <p_quarles> draik: you'll probably want to look back in the logs to the timeframe of the last problem you experienced
[17:28] <draik> p_quarles: I'm tailing 'dmesg' in hopes for something. I'll check back on it when it fails
[17:32] <Barridus> Shadoze, can't you downgrade to kde3?
[17:33] <Shadoze> I could just use Kubuntu 9.04 3.5 remix yes, but i want kde 4 to move forward
[17:33] <bartskde2> when I reboot into my kde desktop I lose sound until I log out, then into gnome, then back out and back into kde 4.2 any idea what happened?
[17:33] <Mamarok> Barridus: "downgrade" is not officially supported, there are instructions around to change though
[17:34] <Mamarok> Shadoze: you will get used to it very fast, I wouldn't miss it anymore
[17:34] <Shadoze> I mean whilst i really do miss the desktop style of 3.5 i may have to get used to it first
[17:35] <Shadoze> yeah, the only thing is that i'm not really interested in eye candy on my desktop
[17:35] <Shadoze> I mean i scroll through the widgets, alot of them are eye candy
[17:35] <Mamarok> Shadoze: then don't use it
[17:36] <Mamarok> Shadoze: I don't have much eyecandy here neither
[17:36] <Mamarok> I don't even use many Desktop Effects
[17:36] <draik> Does someone here know about the 'find' command? I keep getting an error about my '-exec' entry.
[17:37] <Barridus> Shadoze, yeah i'm with you.  a lot of the widgets take up more space than they need to as well
[17:37] <Mamarok> draik: what are you trying to do?
[17:37] <Mamarok> Barridus: come on, you can resize all the widgets
[17:37] <Barridus> i know that
[17:37] <Shadoze> One thing i never understood
[17:37] <Barridus> you're missing the point tho
[17:37] <Shadoze> Was the clock widget
[17:37] <Shadoze> Why?
[17:38] <Shadoze> I can look in the right hand corner, thanks
[17:38] <Barridus> they still have 14% "dead" space on the edges etc
[17:38] <draik> Mamarok: Trying to find large files. Gimme a sec to get the full string.
[17:38] <Mamarok> Shadoze: because I can add it to the screensaver and see the time even with everything else blanked out
[17:38] <Barridus> or fonts that become unreadable at small size and you can't change it to a more clear small font
[17:39] <Mamarok> Barridus: read planetkde.org?
[17:39] <Mamarok> Barridus: Nuno has given some great advice about fonts, no problems here at all :)
[17:39] <draik> Mamarok:      cd ~ ; find . -size '+10000k' -exec ls -alh {} \
[17:39] <erik_> Hi, does anybody know about issues with X-forwarding and qt designer in kubuntu 8.10?
[17:39] <Mamarok> draik: oops, never used that on command line
[17:39] <Shadoze> I didn;t know that screensaver way
[17:40] <draik> Mamarok: Where have you used it?
[17:40] <Mamarok> draik: I use find in Dolphin :)
[17:40] <Mamarok> draik: or just for one or two files, not many
[17:41] <draik> Mamarok: Oh. OK. Thanks.
[17:41] <slow-motion> bye
[17:41] <Shadoze> Lol
[17:41] <Shadoze> http://i41.tinypic.com/14klmib.jpg
[17:41] <Shadoze> Silly, eh?
[17:41] <Mamarok> draik: but man find might give you more input about that
[17:41] <draik> Well, I have to get ready for work. Have a great day/night everyone.
[17:42] <draik> Mamarok: Tried that. Not much use with their example either.
[17:42] <Mamarok> Shadoze: that really looks silly and windows-like
[17:42] <Mamarok> draik: why not use the gui part in Dolphin then? It can more than just search for a file :)
[17:43] <Shadoze> I know it looks silly but i can't see an alternate
[17:44] <Shadoze> Im always using my desktop as a drag, drop, copy, cut, paste ect.. centre
[17:44] <tsimpson> Shadoze: you can set the entire desktop to folderview from Right-Click -> Appearance Settings
[17:45] <Shadoze> Wow, tsimpson, so you can thanks!
[17:45] <Shadoze> I didn't know of this feature
[17:45] <tsimpson> it's been there since 4.2.0
[17:46] <Shadoze> Was it beacuse of people asking about if previously?
[17:47] <erik_> I don't get window decorations for qt designer via ssh -X, while it works for other applications and also works for qt designer in local mode
[17:47] <tsimpson> it was always going to be an option, just wasn't ready until 4.2
[17:48] <Barridus> Shadoze, i do the same, i just use/need less real estate for it
[17:50] <Barridus> besides, it seems like the add new widgets feature is partially broken :p
[17:51] <Mamarok> Shadoze: look at that one: http://myriam.kollide.net/mydesktop.png
[17:51] <Shadoze> http://i44.tinypic.com/28qx3c8.jpg
[17:52] <Shadoze> I know, the icons are a little wonky, but working on it ;)
[17:52] <Shadoze> Alright ill take a look
[17:52] <Shadoze> Heh mamarok , your screen resolution is alot bigger than mine
[17:52] <Shadoze> Don't think that would work on a 1024 x 768 monitor ;)
[17:52] <Barridus> hmm is that just an oversized show folder widget?  or did you do something i am not aware of Shadoze
[17:53] <Barridus> hell of a lot bigger than my resolution too XD  *pats netbook*
[17:53] <Mamarok> Shadoze: well, yes, but besides that, it looks like a vanilla KDE 4.3 should look like, plus 2
[17:53] <Mamarok> widgets
[17:54] <Mamarok> it's a Lenovo W500...
[17:54] <Shadoze> Barridus what do you mean by my icons?
[17:54] <Shadoze> Heh i've been meaning to get a new monitor for a long time
[17:54] <Shadoze> Just havn't eve got round to it
[17:54] <Barridus> Shadoze, i don't see the usual border around the "desktop space"
[17:54] <Barridus> like you can see in mine http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/solidus0079/snapshot3.png
[17:55] <Barridus> ahhh what the heck i just realized looking at the screen shot my calculator widget poofed.  XD
[17:55]  * Mamarok likes the vanilla look best
[17:56] <Mamarok> but I have other stuff on the other activity
[17:56] <Shadoze> Ahh barridus do you mean the border of folder view?
[17:56] <erik_> anyone?
[17:56] <Barridus> Shadoze, yeah
[17:56] <Shadoze> Well, i like the default look too, just i'm getting a little sick of blue blue blue ;)
[17:56] <Shadoze> Oh, tsimpson guided me earlier into turning folder view into your desktop
[17:56] <Barridus> Shadoze, better than orange orange orange brown :p
[17:57] <Shadoze> if you right click your desktop and go to appearance settings
[17:57] <Shadoze> desktop activity > type > folder view
[17:57] <Shadoze> barridus, there giving more themes in karmic koala anyhow
[17:58] <Shadoze> They said whilst brown has served them well, the koala likes other colours too :P
[17:58] <Barridus> yeah i saw that heh
[17:58] <Shadoze> And if you've ever held a koala in real life too, you'll realise just how much they stink too
[17:59] <Barridus> Shadoze, so maybe brown is appropriate
[17:59] <Shadoze> Yes, to put it midley, when holding them you soon realise there bathroom is there body
[17:59] <Shadoze> But enough of that, it;s been delightfull enough as it is >.<
[18:00] <Barridus> ugh heh
[18:01] <Shadoze> Hehe :P
[18:01] <Shadoze> The new kde theme looks pretty swish
[18:02] <Mamarok> Shadoze: I use other wallpapers in the other activities
[18:02] <Shadoze> This theme, looks nice
[18:02] <Shadoze> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/KDE_4.png/800px-KDE_4.png
[18:02] <Mamarok> Shadoze: try setting another activity and add the activity bar widget on both to switch
[18:03] <Shadoze> I set wallpapers based on my mood
[18:03] <Barridus> looks sorta like glassified theme
[18:03] <Mamarok> Shadoze: well, that's what activities are for, switch when your mood changes :)
[18:04] <Mamarok> erik_: sorry, we overread you, car asking your question again?
[18:04] <Mamarok> about windows decorations for Qtdesigner?
[18:05] <Barridus> i'm pretty boring i guess, i'm using oxygen theme, no desktop effects, openbox windows manager, and only 1 desktop workspace
[18:05] <Shadoze> Ooh, that activity switcher is pretty switch ;)
[18:05] <Mamarok> Shadoze, Barridus we should take this discussion to -offtopic I'd say
[18:05] <Mamarok> !ot
[18:05] <Barridus> what do you mean by activity?
[18:06] <Shadoze> very true ther
[18:06] <Shadoze> *there
[18:06] <Mamarok> Barridus: click on the cashew shaped icon on the upper right and zoom out
[18:06] <Mamarok> then you can add an activity
[18:06] <Barridus> zoom out?
[18:06] <Barridus> i don't have that option
[18:07] <Barridus> i have deskop effects off and i'm not using kwin, maybe that's why
[18:08] <Shadoze> Possible, for me it's at the very bottom of widget selector
[18:09] <Barridus> ok nevermind, it's there now.   odd.
[18:09] <erik_> any idea on where I should post my question if not to this channel?
[18:11] <Barridus> not sure, erik_.  but then it's community support sometimes you get different people with different knowledge at different times of the day
[18:11] <Mamarok> erik_: ask in #kde-devel
[18:11] <Mamarok> erik_: that's the most likely place to get hold of some Qt guys
[18:19] <cumulus007> Are the KDE 4.3 packages already in the kubuntu-experimental for jaunty?
[18:20] <Unksi> yep
[18:20] <cumulus007> great :)
[18:20] <Unksi> there are some problems with them, though
[18:20] <Unksi> like flash not having any sound
[18:20] <Polyculture_> cumulus007:I'd recommend project neon
[18:21] <cumulus007> Well, I just wanted to ask about those problems...
[18:21] <cumulus007> I did an upgrade on my testing system and now my whole desktop is messed up
[18:21] <cumulus007> my desktop is coevered with a black board
[18:21] <cumulus007> widgets act weird
[18:21] <Polyculture_> cumulus007: you get a seperated install and can use the stable packages from the standrard repo parallely
[18:21] <Unksi> nothing like that here though^
[18:22] <cumulus007> has neon jaunty repos? The last time I checked it, they were not available
[18:23] <Polyculture_> cumulus007: check out https://launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive/ppa for instance
[18:23] <cumulus007> cool, jaunty is available.. thanks :)
[18:24] <Polyculture_> cumulus007: got to install "kde-nightly", but it sounds like you know
[18:24] <cumulus007> I do, I've done this before
[18:24] <Polyculture_> cumulus007: enjoy
[18:24] <cumulus007> thanks :)
[18:36] <darkham> help with anyremote, please!!!!!
[18:38] <Mamarok> darkham: patience!
[18:38] <Mamarok> !ask | darkham
[18:39] <darkham> Mamarok: ok, i only need help, and anyremote is a software not so popular....
[18:39] <darkham> Mamarok: i've fear of indifference by users!
[18:40] <ghizzle> whats goin on pplz?
[18:40] <Mamarok> darkham: calm down, and be patient
[18:40] <Mamarok> !puctuation | darkham
[18:41] <Mamarok> !punctuation | darkham
[18:41] <Mamarok> ghido yu need help?
[18:41] <Mamarok> arghs, bad day...
[18:42] <ubuntu_> BOAS
[18:43] <genii> !pt | ubuntu_
[18:45] <Mamarok> darkham: you still haven't told us the problem you have
[18:47] <lovre> any1 here?
[18:47] <lovre> i need help, quick
[18:47] <lovre> who has kword?
[18:47] <genii> !enter
[18:47] <Mamarok> lovre: !ask
[18:47] <Mamarok> lovre: pateince is a virtue :)
[18:48] <lovre> Mamarok: i need a file to be converted to PDF, quickly, please, it needs to be open from KWord
[18:48] <darkham> Mamarok: ok, my bluetooth installation are ok, i can receive and send file to my nokia N70, i installed anyremote, i set .cfg files in server mode (is the only way of N70 for work with anyremote) i installed the cliend java on the phone, but when i search the pc froma the client, i find 1 something, but i dont' display anything. i tried inserting in the client the bt address but dont' works
[18:48] <darkham> what can i do?
[18:48] <lovre> http://www.sendspace.com/file/mqodxo
[18:48] <Mamarok> lovre: stop saying quick, that will not speed up things
[18:48] <lovre> Mamarok: http://www.sendspace.com/file/mqodxo
[18:48] <genii> !info anyremote
[18:48] <genii> Hm.
[18:48] <lovre> Mamarok: please convert that to PDF and upload back
[18:49] <Mamarok> lovre: no, you can do that yourself, just use openoffice for it, that works fine
[18:49] <lovre> Mamarok: please do it, something is wrong with mine, it just wont, i have to send it in 10 minutes
[18:49] <lovre> Mamarok: just do it
[18:50] <genii> darkham: There seems omething on the subject here: http://start.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7026399
[18:50] <Zxcvb_lap> how long should it take to install 9.04 off of a usb 1.1 drive?
[18:51] <Mamarok> lovre: I simply can't, this is my work PC, I will not download any stuff on it
[18:51] <darkham> genii: thanx, but bluetooth is the only way i can use it
[18:54] <Shadoze> Lovre, rudeness dosn't get you anywhere
[18:54] <Shadoze> but here
[18:54] <Shadoze> http://www.2shared.com/file/5949979/ef1bbdee/2dz.html
[18:54] <Mamarok> Shadoze: I will certianly not do that, I'm not his secretary
[18:55] <Mamarok> Shadoze: he is gone anyway
[18:56] <Shadoze> Exactly :( Addressing people nicely certainly gets you very far here, and in rea life too
[18:57] <Shadoze> Brb, getting a drink :)
[19:00] <afeijo> how can I share some folders to windows stations?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> !samba | afeijo
[19:03] <afeijo> BluesKaj: I want to share my files, not mount a windows shared. Samba do both ways?
[19:03] <BluesKaj> afeijo, yes
[19:04] <BluesKaj> read futher afeijo...you'll see what it does
[19:12] <Zxcvb_lap> if you have both kde and gnome installed, how do you select which one to run by default?
[19:14] <Mamarok> Zxcvb: on startup in kdm/gdm, select the session from the menu
[19:14] <Barridus> what version of 'buntu are you running?  jaunty?
[19:16] <rompstar> hi there, when I log into Gnome X, I wanted to start Service to see what is running and that gives me an error "You are not allowed to access the system configuration".  I tried running as root and normal user, same error, 9.04
[19:17] <rompstar> So I can't see Services, I need to turn on Apache to run at boot
[19:17] <rompstar> anyone here ?
[19:18] <tdn> When I use my laptop with kubuntu 9.04 running on battery, I get a notice box saying something along the lines of: "Composite was too slow, so it is disabled..." I cannot read it all, because it disappears too quickly. Why is this? How do I enable composite again? How do I prevent it from being disabled like this?
[19:21] <Mamarok> tdn: you can still click on the notification icon (blu with the white i) to get it back
[19:21] <Mamarok> blue*
[19:21] <tdn> Mamarok, as I wrote, the notification disappears before I can read it.
[19:21] <Mamarok> tdn: running on battery with compositing is not a good idea, as the battery profile runs a slower CPU speed
[19:22] <tdn> Mamarok, Alt+Shift+F12 enables it again.
[19:22] <Mamarok> tdn: it remains in the panel notification
[19:22] <Mamarok> tdn: that I know, but the notification should still be there unless you remove it
[19:22] <tdn> Mamarok, I know, but *I* want to decide if I need it. *I* want to be able to configure if I want it to be disabled on battery.
[19:22] <tdn> Mamarok, I did not remove anything.
[19:22] <tdn> I don't know where to see panel notifications.
[19:23] <Mamarok> tdn: then change the CPU speed when on battery
[19:23] <Mamarok> tdn: there is an icon next to the panel
[19:24] <zer0o> hi guys do u know any mame emulator for kubuntu? an easily installable one with lots of games included? thanks
[19:31] <ubuntu> Buenas
[19:32] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: you there??
[19:33] <ubuntu> ophwesiphw
[19:33] <ubuntu> pim pam pim pam
[19:33] <genii> !es | ubuntu
[19:37] <christian_> any1 knows, how to reset kickoff's entries / rollback deleted submenus? would be pleased :)
[19:39] <hitmouse> Hi, I've installed Jaunty but I'm having Font problems. Does anyone know if BCI is enabled or disabled in 9.04? thanks
[19:45] <christian_> Hi, anyone knows, how rollback kickoff's submenu(s), becaus i deleted one, i think, and don't know how to recreate it correctly with menu editor
[19:45] <slowhoe> hi
[19:45] <slowhoe> why doesent xinit work?
[19:45] <slowhoe> after ctrl alt F2
[19:45] <slowhoe> i dont want a window manager.
[19:46] <slowhoe> just xinit
[19:50] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Is there a program to use for printing multiple photos?
[19:50] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: here!
[19:53] <drbobb> hello, I'm having some slight issues with wireless: overall it works, but there seems to be a problem at wakeup from suspend
[19:54] <drbobb> the busy indicator on the nm-applet spins for a couple of minutes, then it asks me for the wpa password. It looks as if the password storage facility wasn't working?
[19:55] <drbobb> When I type in the password (once again), it connects and continues to work rather reliably
[19:55] <agor> hey, im having a problem with rubygems, I have tried installing rubygems, rubygems1.8 and rubygems1.9 - but when I type 'gem' in the terminal it just tells me that I can get 'gem' from rubygems1.8 or rubygems1.9... How can I solve this?
[19:56] <slowhoe> xinit doesent work.
[19:58] <Rojwan> Hello, is there a tutorial for setting up new hardware on Kubuntu (namely, a Wifi card)?
[19:58] <slowhoe> Rojwan: wifi sucks on linux.
[19:59] <Rojwan> Ah, I absolutely need it to work for the OS to be any good whatsoever...
[19:59] <Rojwan> Is it really difficult?
[20:00] <Mamarok> Rojwan: did you chek if the card is supported on Linux?
[20:00] <christian_> Hi, anyone knows, how rollback kickoff's submenu(s), becaus i deleted one, i think, and don't know how to recreate it correctly with menu editor
[20:00] <Mamarok> christian_: right click on the menu icon -> open the menu editor
[20:01] <Rojwan> I haven't checked. Where can I find a list of supported devices?
[20:01] <christian_> Mamarok: okay and then =)
[20:01] <endial> Ok this is my first day on Linux and I have no idea what to do, Anyone feel like taking a Full blown Windows guy under thier wing and converting me?  I just need to know the basics just enough to get me to where I know what I need to look up to figure out things on my own.
[20:01] <Mamarok> Rojwan: google for your card with the name and Linux or Kubuntu as option
[20:01] <rompstar> hi there
[20:01] <Rojwan> Okay.
[20:02] <Mamarok> endial: we do support for specific questions here
[20:02] <rompstar> my external USB drive is very slow
[20:02] <rompstar> raymond@dragonfly:~$ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sdb1
[20:02] <rompstar> /dev/sdb1:
[20:02] <rompstar>  Timing cached reads:     2 MB in  2.03 seconds = 1008.30 kB/sec
[20:02] <rompstar>  Timing buffered disk reads:    4 MB in  4.12 seconds = 993.39 kB/sec
[20:02] <Mamarok> christian_: add a submenu
[20:02] <rompstar> was thinking to check driver, I get this message
[20:02] <rompstar> modprobe ehci_hcd
[20:02] <Mamarok> then drag that submenu into the menu you want it in
[20:02] <rompstar> raymond@dragonfly:~$ modprobe ehci_hcd
[20:02] <rompstar> FATAL: Module ehci_hcd not found
[20:03] <rompstar> not sure what to do, help.
[20:03] <Mamarok> !paste | rompstar
[20:03] <rompstar> cool
[20:03] <rompstar> I'll check it ot
[20:03] <rompstar> out
[20:03] <Mamarok> rompstar: that was an advice on how to past things in the channel...
[20:03] <christian_> Mamarok: na i found a submenu point "reset system preconf" (in german "systemvoreinstellungen wiederherstellen")
[20:04] <slowhoe> why isn't the madwifi driver in the repos ?
[20:04] <Mamarok> christian_: well, use that then :)
[20:04] <endial> How can I get an application that used to work in Windows to work in Kubuntu?  Mainly World of Warcraft
[20:04] <rompstar> any idea on my slow USB hard drive problem ?
[20:04] <christian_> Mamarok: you know where i can find the kpackagekit icon? =)
[20:04] <Rojwan> Okay, the driver for my Wifi card is well-known and supported. But I'm not sure I understand the note on the site. It reads: Note: The iwlwifi driver has been merged into mainline kernel since 2.6.24. If you are using kernels after this release, please use the intree (drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi) driver directly. After 2.6.26 the intree driver iwlagn also supports the new 5100BG, 5100ABG,...
[20:04] <Rojwan> ...5100AGN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series hardwares.
[20:05] <Rojwan> from: http://intellinuxwireless.org/
[20:05] <Mamarok> christian_: right click on the app, properties, icon then you can choose it from the applications part
[20:05] <slowhoe> i did all this. and it doesent even work. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[20:06] <Mamarok> Rojwan: did you just try to plugin your card to see if it's seen?
[20:06] <christian_> Mamrok: ah ty :) bb
[20:07] <Mamarok> ok, who is next?
[20:07] <rompstar> me
[20:07] <rompstar> !
[20:07] <rompstar> :-)
[20:07] <Rojwan> It was plugged in since before I installed Kubuntu, and still is. But I didn't spot it anywhere. I'll reboot under Linux and double-check.
[20:07] <Mamarok> endial: what was your first question again?
[20:07] <Mamarok> rompstar: no, you cam later :)
[20:07] <ikonia> rompstar: what's up
[20:07] <rompstar> how do I install a drive ? modprobe ehci_hcd
[20:07] <rompstar> my usb drive is very slow
[20:07] <ikonia> rompstar: as in a disk drive ? or a kernel module "driver"
[20:08] <rompstar> my external USB  hard drive is very slow and wanted to speed it up I think I need that ehci_hcd driver installed, moudle
[20:08] <rompstar> not expert
[20:08] <endial> I would like to get some type of Apt to let me install World of warcraft Pretty much thats the only thing I can't do on linux as of right now
[20:08] <endial> That I need to do that is...
[20:09] <slowhoe> how do i install linux-backports-modules-jaunty
[20:09] <ikonia> rompstar: ok, so if you do an "lsmod" do you see any other ehci drivers ?
[20:09] <Mamarok> endial: I never installed WoW on Linux, you will either have to goolge or check the forums, as this is not a regular app supported here
[20:09] <Mamarok> endial: unless somebody knows how to guide you
[20:09] <endial> ok thank
[20:09] <rompstar> ikonia: see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/180607/
[20:09] <Mamarok> endial: yaw :)
[20:10] <rompstar> i don't see it
[20:10] <Mamarok> who is next?
[20:10] <ikonia> rompstar: can you modprobe it ?
[20:10] <rompstar> no I get error
[20:10] <rompstar> modprobe ehci_hcd
[20:10] <rompstar> FATAL: Module ehci_hcd not found.
[20:11] <rompstar> my backs up painfully slow
[20:11] <rompstar> that's why I am trying to figure this ouyt
[20:13] <rompstar> ikonia: was trying to follow instructions from this web site, to fix it, but don't work http://ocaoimh.ie/2009/05/07/ubuntu-linux-slow-external-usb-drive/
[20:13] <ikonia> rompstar: ooh, is that module no longer available in ubuntu, hang on
[20:13] <rompstar> I am not sure
[20:13] <rompstar> I am running 9.04
[20:14] <slowhoe> how do i make madwifi work
[20:14] <slowhoe> why does my wifi card work on backtrack but not kubuntu
[20:16] <ikonia> rompstar: be with you in 2 seconds
[20:16] <ikonia> rompstar: modprobe uhci_hcd have you tried that ?
[20:16] <ikonia> and I of course assume you're using sudo
[20:16] <murry> has any one played 'cultivation'?
[20:16] <Mamarok> slowhoe: what is your wifi card?
[20:17] <Mamarok> murry: no, sorry
[20:17] <rompstar> ikonia: yes I get an error
[20:17] <ikonia> rompstar: module not found ?
[20:17] <rompstar> yes using sudo
[20:17] <rompstar> sudo modprobe uhci_hcd
[20:17] <rompstar> FATAL: Module uhci_hcd not found.
[20:18] <ikonia> I wonder if that modules been removed, I don't think so, but it seems odd that you can't find it
[20:18] <rompstar> maybe, it's from a backup restore, I am still leanring, so maybe I didn't copy something, how do I install the driver ?
[20:19] <rompstar> where is the driver, location ?
[20:19] <rompstar> normally?
[20:19] <ikonia> rompstar: /lib/$kernel
[20:19] <ikonia> rompstar: thats the base
[20:19] <rompstar> so when I backup, should I backup /lib too ?
[20:19] <ikonia> rompstar: give me 5 minutes got to pop away from desk, I'll look on my laptop while I'm away
[20:20] <rompstar> thanks!, going to heat up some food
[20:20] <rompstar> brb
[20:21] <slowhoe> Mamarok: Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter
[20:22] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: im getting problems with kbuildsycoca4
[20:23] <tzanger> interesting
[20:23] <tzanger> with top running my screen saver unlock never "hangs" for a few seconds
[20:24] <tzanger> I wonder if something's going into deep power savings and thus causing the lag, but *seconds* ? that is highly weird
[20:24] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: explain
[20:24] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i log in and wham it shows a debug error...il paste the output
[20:25] <Mamarok> shadeyes, please -> pastebin
[20:25] <agor> Hey! I've been wanting to learn ruby for a while now, can anyone recommend a book or online resource? :)
[20:25] <agor> woops
[20:25] <agor> hey, im having a problem with rubygems, I have tried installing rubygems, rubygems1.8 and rubygems1.9 - but when I type 'gem' in the terminal it just tells me that I can get 'gem' from rubygems1.8 or rubygems1.9... How can I solve this?
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i know :)
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://paste.ubuntu.com/180620/
[20:27] <Mamarok> slowhoe: did you check these instructions here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[20:27] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: from a terminal http://paste.ubuntu.com/180621/
[20:28] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you are running what now? still KDE 4.2.2?
[20:28] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no..i cant even start KDE :P im in GNOME right now
[20:28] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: why do you get these errors in Gnome? what application do you try to run?
[20:29] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no the first paste is exactly the one when i log in KDE, the secnd one is one when i run $ kbuildsycoca4
[20:29] <Mamarok> agor: care asking in #kde-ruby?
[20:29] <shadeslayer> in terminal in gnome
[20:29] <agor> Mamarok: sure
[20:30] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you can not run kbuildsycoca4 in Gnome :)
[20:30] <ilkin> hi
[20:30] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: why can't you log into KDE anymore, what did you do?
[20:30] <ilkin> how to delete all .bak files in the system?
[20:30] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i know .... just thought it would help since the backtrace seemed useless
[20:31] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i updated and upgraded....logged out...restarted X...selected KDE and then that error
[20:31] <Mamarok> ilkin: open Dolphin, then 'Find file' in the Dolphin Edit Menu and check for *.bak in your folder, you can then remove all the shown files
[20:31] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/02/air-and-kde-43.html this blog teases me :)
[20:32] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: updated to KDE 4.3 beta or did you just install Neon?
[20:32] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: 4.3 beta
[20:32] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: now i think ill install neon too :P
[20:32] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: and you have finished all the installation, nothing went wrong, no files missing?
[20:33] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yes...nothing missisng...although there was one error about kdepim not being setup i ran the update again and it installed
[20:33] <ilkin> Mamarok: if they are readonly? is it possible to do this from terminal?
[20:34] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: ok, now, before logging into KDE, try moving your ~/.kde/ to ~/.kde_old/
[20:34] <Mamarok> restart KDE then
[20:34] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: done...
[20:34] <shadeslayer> Mamarok:should i be deleting .kde??
[20:35] <shadeslayer> then logging a=in again
[20:35] <Mamarok> ilkin: yes, but you should not touch *.bak files in system folders!
[20:35] <evlgamer> i just got done with a fresh install of kubuntu 9.10, how do i install firefox?
[20:35] <Mamarok> ilkin: only remove those in your home folder and subfolders
[20:35] <shadeslayer> evlgamer: #ubuntu+1 for karmic
[20:35] <evlgamer> shadeslayer: ?
[20:35] <ilkin> upss...you are late) I already deleted all bak files)
[20:35] <shadeslayer> evlgamer: 9.10 is karmic koala...next version
[20:36] <shadeslayer> !ubuntu+1
[20:36] <Mamarok> elvthere is no support for karmic here, go to #ubuntu+1
[20:36] <Rojwan> Hi Mamarok, it's about the Wifi install issue. It seems the drivers have been 'merged into mainline kernel', but I can't see where to begin, to get it recognised and working.
[20:36] <shadeslayer> hmm that needs updating
[20:36] <jussi01> Rojwan: which card?
[20:36] <Mamarok> Rojwan: I think they explain how to do so in that article, no?
[20:36] <Rojwan> It's Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection adapter
[20:37] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: brb hopefully  :)
[20:37] <Mamarok> !karmic
[20:37] <Rojwan> Mamarok: It doesn't seem so. Maybe I'm not looking at the right place.
[20:38] <ilkin> one thing else.... i have tried to upgrade system however during installation I cancelled process...so now my hard drive is full)
[20:38] <evlgamer> sorry i meant kubuntu 9.04
[20:38] <Mamarok> Rojwan: moved to the kernel means it's supported b default, you might have to activate a kernel module then
[20:38] <ilkin> How to return it to initial state
[20:38] <ilkin> ?
[20:38] <Mamarok> evlgamer: sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:38] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: nope...error
[20:38] <Rojwan> Mamarok: So I assume there is no equivalent of Window's 'Device Manager'?
[20:39] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: should i PM the backtrace since im in a tty
[20:39] <Mamarok> ilkin: first you delete stuff without thinking then you want it restored?
[20:40] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you can direct the output into a text file and pastebin it later
[20:40] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok...i didnt want to logout and relogin
[20:41] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: gah...it hung up :(
[20:41] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: just start Gnome in tty7, then go back to the other tty
[20:41] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: what error do you get? Give me the last two lines
[20:42] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i have X in tty7 and i have only 3 tty's
[20:42] <shadeslayer> ok
[20:42] <Rojwan> Is there any place I can go to 'see' the Wifi card? Anything like a device manager?
[20:42] <ilkin> Mamarok, if you are about bak files-they were not deleted,,,when it comes to upgrade there 760 M to be downloaded from internet to accomplish upgradem, that is why I cancelled process
[20:42] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: its hung up :P , i can only paste the whole error now :) ill paste it in #paste ok??
[20:43] <Mamarok> ilkin: what upgrade are you talking about?
[20:43] <shadeslayer> Rojwan: lspci
[20:43] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: yes please
[20:43] <ilkin> Kubuntu version update
[20:43] <ilkin> from Adept
[20:43] <Rojwan> shadeslayer: Where do I find that in Kubuntu?
[20:44] <jussi01> Rojwan: just type it into terminal....
[20:44] <Rojwan> Okay thanks
[20:45] <Mamarok> ilkin: what version update, to 9.04?
[20:46] <ilkin> I have determined thaT size of home folder is 6.5 G while sum of its constituent folder and files is just 1.5 G
[20:46] <ilkin> from 8.04 to 8.10
[20:46] <rg__> anyone know how to increase the verbosity for the xorg log file? i'm trying to understand why my custom modeline doesn't work
[20:46] <Mamarok> ilkin: and what is the problem now?
[20:47] <Mamarok> rg__: there's nothing in there anymore, check the xorg.log in /var/log/
[20:48] <rg__> Mamarok: that's the one i'm talking about. there has to be some way to make it more verbose
[20:48] <Mamarok> rg__: that is verbose :)
[20:49] <ilkin> I found))) everything was due to Strigi caching
[20:49] <ilkin> it took all drive memory
[20:49] <endial> Well I have hit a road block I cant find a way to install wine on here
[20:51] <rg__> Mamarok: it's not explaining why my VGA connector isn't displaying the resolutions. there's a -logverbose parameter with startx but i can't kill the xserver to run startx
[20:51] <rg__> Mamarok: when i sudo kill the xserver, it just starts another one
[20:52] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: what next???
[20:52] <endial> sudo apt get install wine is the correct terminal code right?
[20:52] <Mamarok> rg__: why not logging out?
[20:52] <Mamarok> rg__: then kill it with Ctrl+SysRq +k
[20:53] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: how about reinstalling that package?? or rechecking apt for any other errors??
[20:53] <rg__> Mamarok: i don't see a SysRq key on my keyboard
[20:53] <rg__> Mamarok: i found it
[20:53] <Mamarok> rg__: usually where the PrintScreen one is
[20:54] <ilkin> how to free space taken by strigi? just delete that files?
[20:55] <Mamarok> ilkin: but then you shouldn run nepomuk if you do not have enough space
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: any ideas??
[20:57] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: well, what I don't get is why you can't start KDE anymore, if everything went well it should start
[20:57] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I run 4.3 here on Jaunty and it works well
[20:57] <Mamarok> brb, have to get the laundry
[20:57] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no idea mate....maybe you could give me a command that checks what i installed?
[20:59] <rg_> Mamarok: ctrl + SysRq + k restarted the login prompt. it didn't get me to a point where i could run startx
[20:59] <go7hic> somebody uses skype here?
[20:59] <go7hic> I can't find an option of adding buddies
[21:00] <go7hic> this is weird
[21:00] <shadeslayer> go7hic: me..
[21:00] <shadeslayer> go7hic: i think its a green + icon at the bottom
[21:00] <phoenixz> How can I play a CD in kubuntu?
[21:01] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: insert it and open amarok
[21:01] <phoenixz> as in, amarok does not seem to be able to do it
[21:01] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: Nope.. amarok channel told me amarok2 can NOT play CD
[21:01] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: if you can believe that
[21:02] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: vlc
[21:03] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: heard of it?? sudo apt-get install vlc
[21:03] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: yeah, I have vlc installed.. thanks for the tip
[21:04] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: there are other players like banshee and rhythmboc if you like a nice GUI
[21:04] <shadeslayer> *box
[21:05] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: yaeh, I know. its just that I want this in a KDE program, thats why I have KDE, not? :)
[21:05] <go7hic> yea... thx'
[21:05] <go7hic> found it
[21:05] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: hehehe.....well i thought amarok could play Cd's
[21:05] <shadeslayer> anyone with kde 4.3??
[21:05] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: Amarok 1 could.. 2 can't, still not.. on the amarok channel they told me its because nobody plays CD's anymore.. I don't really agree
[21:06] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: I do
[21:06] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: kde4.3 is sweeeet
[21:06]  * shadeslayer cries :'(
[21:06] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: installed a PPA repo, upgraded and it works really nice
[21:06] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: i installed but it has errors
[21:06] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: I still have to encounter big problems with KDE4.3
[21:06] <phoenixz> kubuntu 9.04 was much more problematic than KDE4.3 :)
[21:07] <shadeslayer> ok anybody who can gimme a command that can check whatever i downloaded against the ppa and reinstall the probelmatic package??
[21:07] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: such as??
[21:08] <astromme> phoenixz: I just use juk or kscd for cds
[21:08] <gwhip> whats the repo to add to update to 4.3
[21:08] <shadeslayer> gwhip: its a PPA...not a repo :)....
[21:08] <gwhip> in jaunty
[21:08] <shadeslayer> gwhip: one sec
[21:08]  * astromme reminds people that 4.3 is in beta, beta1 at that
[21:08] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: such as what? sorry, I missed something :)
[21:08] <phoenixz> gwhip: one sec
[21:08] <astromme> shadeslayer: a ppa is a repo
[21:08] <phoenixz> gwhip: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu jaunty main
[21:09] <gwhip> ok ... the ppa to add
[21:09] <Mamarok> back
[21:09] <shadeslayer> gwhip: then update and upgrade
[21:09] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: add the link above to your /etc/apt/sources.list file, do an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade and you should have 4.3 running quite nicely
[21:09] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: and yes, that IS a repo :)
[21:10] <rg_> Mamarok: ctrl + SysRq + k restarted the login prompt. it didn't get me to a point where i could run startx
[21:10] <gwhip> phoenixz: thanks! is there just the one line or is there a sources line too
[21:10] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: Amarok will fature CD playing, we are in feature freeze now
[21:10] <phoenixz> gwhip: got the repo link?
[21:10] <phoenixz> gwhip: I suppose there is a sources too, but why would you want those, unlessy ou are going to do development?
[21:10] <Mamarok> phoenixz: and if it's not fast enough for you, care hiring some developers? We lack manpower to do things as fast as our (non paying) users want it
[21:10] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ah.....any lead on my problem ?? :)
[21:10] <astromme> rg_: if you really want to run startx.... ctrl + shift+f1, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop, then you can run it.
[21:10] <phoenixz> Mamarok: is there a repo (PPA even) available of amarok with CD playing support?
[21:11] <Mamarok> phoenixz: no, as I told you, not in 2.1, we are in feature freeze
[21:11] <magicmanstl> does anyone know how I might start kgrubeditor via the command line
[21:11] <Mamarok> and there is no 2.2 yet
[21:11] <phoenixz> Mamarok: if I'd had the money or time, I would do it.. Unfortunately I don't..
[21:11] <gwhip> i guess don't really need it ... thanks
[21:11] <shadeslayer> magicmanstl: you cant...kgrubeditor needs X
[21:11] <Mamarok> phoenixz: then you will just have to be patient and polite :)
[21:12] <phoenixz> Mamarok: NOFI, its just frustrating that Amarok 1 got changed out for 2 while 2 does not have all functions of 1.. I suppose thats a kubuntu decision more than amarok anyway
[21:12] <Mamarok> rg_: you will have to start in recovery mode then to run startx
[21:12] <Mamarok> phoenixz: exactly
[21:12] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: back to you
[21:12] <phoenixz> Mamarok: as I also mentioned on the amarok channel, I think amarok is the best player out there, which in turn made me like.. whah!?? when I saw there was no CD support. :)
[21:12]  * phoenixz bows to the amarok gods
[21:12] <phoenixz> humbly...
[21:13] <Mamarok> phoenixz: please do so in #amarok then :)
[21:13]  * shadeslayer wonders why everyone PM's him their question??
[21:13] <phoenixz> Mamarok: better? :)
[21:13] <rg_> astromme: i tried that but xwindows kept running. then i tried killing the X server process with sudo and ps aux showed a new X server process
[21:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok,i have the time..how do i reinstall 4.3??
[21:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: just do not accept those, it's a policy not to do support in PM
[21:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i know i just /q
[21:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: reinstall?
[21:14] <tzanger> shadeslayer: I ignore PMs for the most part
[21:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yes, or like re configure or whatever :)
[21:15] <shadeslayer> tzanger: i dont notice them too often but...when i do.../q right away
[21:15] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you might have some missing packages, what does aptitude search kdebase* tell you?
[21:16] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you should have everything except the -dev and -dbg packages
[21:16] <BluesKaj> I'd love to get amarok on W7 partition but kde for windows no longer includes it by default :(
[21:16] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: you have added the repo link I just sent?
[21:16] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ok pasting
[21:17] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: where, pastebin?
[21:17] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: yes...http://paste.ubuntu.com/180652/
[21:17]  * shadeslayer_ is in X
[21:17] <rg_> what is required to disable X and kdm from starting up, i'd like to bootup to the console instead?
[21:18] <shadeslayer_> rg_: why not the recovery konsole ;)
[21:18] <Mamarok> rg_: told you, start in recovery mode, second line in grub
[21:19] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: can i see some apt logs where errors are stored??
[21:20] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: everything is in /var/log/
[21:20] <magicmanstl> does anyone know how to start up kgrubeditor? I have installed it but there is no menu entry and I can find man pages or any documentation for it...
[21:20] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: yeah checking in /apt
[21:20] <Walzmyn> how much difference is there between making a straight ubuntu install and installing gnome-desktop on KDE?
[21:21] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: you have no kdebase installed as it seems...
[21:21] <tzanger> shadeslayer: did you upgrade to kubuntu from an ubuntu cd?
[21:21] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: you end up with two desktop environements
[21:21] <Mamarok> tzanger: no, he installed KDE 4.2
[21:21] <Walzmyn> magicmanstl: alt+F2 then type grub editor
[21:22] <Mamarok> args, 4.3
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: really?? ok how do i install then??
[21:22] <Mamarok> tzanger: thanks, I think, I can handle it...
[21:22] <BluesKaj> used to boot into the konsole by alt+ctrl+F2 after selecting the kernel in the grub menu .Havent trired that lately altho it still works from the desktop
[21:22] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: sudo atp-get install kdebase
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> ok
[21:22] <Walzmyn> Mamarok: yes, but will the gnome that's installed be just the same as you get with a default ubuntu install, or will it be weird?
[21:23] <Mamarok> magicmanstl: you will have to type kdesudo kgrubeditor
[21:23] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: you were right :P...installing
[21:23] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: that's still the same, both desktop Environments can live together :)
[21:23] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: you still have Gnome, don't you
[21:23] <Mamarok> ?
[21:24] <Walzmyn> Mamarok: ok, and will installing gnome do anythign weird with my KDE menus and such?
[21:24] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: yes...im in gnome :) logging out now
[21:24] <Mamarok> sahdwait!
[21:24] <shadeslayer_> Walzmyn: noooo :)
[21:24] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: wait!
[21:24] <shadeslayer_> sure
[21:24] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: fire up synaptic please
[21:24] <Walzmyn> I'm in the process of converting a friend over to Linux, and I wanted him to see both desktops to choose which was best for him
[21:24] <tzanger> Mamarok: no worries; I did it and there were some odd things... some of the dependencies were not there when I installed kde-desktop and it caused me some pain
[21:24] <shadeslayer_> Walzmyn: everything has different configs in /home so everything works like a charm
[21:24] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: told you, there will be no problem, both can live on the same disk
[21:25] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: done
[21:25] <Mamarok> tzanger: I went through that too
[21:25] <Walzmyn> long time ago, I tried installed KDE on a gnome distro and it horrible, that's why I was asking
[21:25] <tzanger> Mamarok: :-)
[21:25] <shadeslayer_> Walzmyn: i have XFCE+lxde+openbox+fluxbox+pekwm as well
[21:25] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: now what??
[21:25] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: shadeslayer_ go to the origin part
[21:25] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: origin??
[21:26] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: on the bottom left you have buttons
[21:26] <Mamarok> one is named origin
[21:26] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: oh ok ..now??
[21:27] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: the go to ppa.launchpad.net/main
[21:27] <Mamarok> then on the right side you will see all packages in the ppa reositories
[21:27] <shadeslayer_> yeah was there before already
[21:27] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ok...then??
[21:27] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: click on the version header to sort by number
[21:27] <Mamarok> then check for 4:4.2.85 packages
[21:28] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ok what do i check in them ?? installed packages??
[21:28] <Walzmyn> how come if i use alt+f2 to open synaptic, it first opens it without admin privelages, then when I do it again, it prompts for password?
[21:28] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: kwin not installed :P
[21:29] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: you will have to install every package that hsa this number, except for the packages ending in -dbg or -dev
[21:29] <Mamarok> has*
[21:29] <shadeslayer_> ok
[21:29] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: well, that could not go well without :/
[21:30] <shadeslayer_> what about kruler etc
[21:31] <Mamarok> kruler is a nice tool to measure stuff on your desktop :)
[21:31] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: hahaha
[21:31] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: just ask me when you are not sure :)
[21:32] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: seriously, I use it to check distances for letters and such
[21:32] <ubuntu> boas
[21:32] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: kdeutils??
[21:32] <Mamarok> !pt | ubuntu:
[21:32] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: absolutely!
[21:33] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: kdesk-kio
[21:34] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: no, that's the development kit
[21:34] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: oh, wait
[21:34] <vbgunz> anyone know why saving a file in vim now in 9.04 has a habit of turning vim unresponsive for about perhaps 5 seconds? it doesn't happen all the time but happens frequently enough to be a bother :(
[21:34] <Mamarok> you mean kdesdk, right?
[21:34] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: yes
[21:34] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: yes, develop ment kit
[21:35] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: you should have descriptions on the far right, don't you?
[21:35] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: wow kde-core not installed
[21:35] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: yes
[21:35] <Mamarok> vbgunz: probably not related to vim but to nepomuk/strigi running
[21:36] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: I think it didn't install most of the essentials :(
[21:36] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: i guess that would be it..updating :)
[21:36] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: somehow, an important dependency is missing and everything got borked
[21:36] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: fingers crossed :)
[21:36] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: bleh....maybe....yeah
[21:37]  * shadeslayer_ crosses all his fingers :)
[21:37] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: my problem was different when I upgraded, too many conflicting dependencies, spent half my day correcting and overwriting stuff
[21:37] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: i hate net installs....i dont recommend net upgrades _at all_
[21:38] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: I always do a fresh install on every release
[21:38] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: me too :)
[21:38] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: moving the .kde/ folder of course
[21:38] <shadeslayer_> seprate data partition here :)
[21:39] <Mamarok> at the same time I get rid of a lot of leftovers and borked configs :)
[21:39] <Mamarok> ditto, of course
[21:39] <Mamarok> that should be the default choice IMHO
[21:39] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: i would format my windows partition if i didnt game or wine released a version that supported every game :)
[21:40] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: I only kept it to test KDE on WIndows :)
[21:40] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: hehehe...
[21:41] <shadeslayer_> wow synaptic downloads two files at once....i only use apt-get :P
[21:41] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: which works quite fine, only lacking developers to work on it so it advances slowlier than on Linux
[21:41] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: synaptic is just a fromtend to apt-get
[21:42] <Mamarok> it's apt-get that does that in the background
[21:42] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: i wish it would show the size in MB's and not Kb's
[21:42] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: i know :)...ive been here 6 months :P
[21:43] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: :)
[21:43] <shadeslayer_> oh i forgot to quit the tty nick
[21:43] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: wile you are at it, install the plsma widgets too, just look after plasma in synaptic
[21:43] <Mamarok> while*
[21:44] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: synaptic is locked ;)
[21:44] <Walzmyn> what is abiword?
[21:44] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: word processor
[21:44] <Walzmyn> ah
[21:44] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: make that a very lite word processor
[21:44] <Walzmyn> gnome version of kate?
[21:45] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: locked?
[21:45] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: locked as in its all grey...get what i mean??
[21:45] <Mamarok> !abiword | Walzmyn
[21:45] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: well, it's installing now
[21:45] <shadeslayer> !info abiword | Walzmyn
[21:45] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yeah..i have a 128kbps connection
[21:45] <Walzmyn> thanks. whenever apt gets done, i'll just fire it up
[21:46] <Mamarok> arghs, I'm getting tired...
[21:46]  * Walzmyn shudders at shadeslayer
[21:46] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: dont worry dude youll get all the commands after a month or after fishing in ubottu
[21:47] <Walzmyn> i didn't think about using the bot. I was just currious, 'cause I saw abiword go by a few times while this was installing
[21:47] <Walzmyn> personally, I can't stand gnome, but I
[21:47]  * shadeslayer eyes ubottu...he knows more than me :)
[21:47] <Walzmyn> 'm thinking my friend will like it better
[21:47]  * Walzmyn eyeballs his 'enter' key
[21:48] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: how long have you been using *buntu ??
[21:48] <Guest99008> hello
[21:48] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: just do not abuse the bot :)
[21:48] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: been using kubuntu for i guess a little over a year now.
[21:48]  * shadeslayer feeds the bot
[21:48] <shadeslayer> !botsnack
[21:49] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: ah...i was fed up of KDE after 3 months...now im fed up of gnome...so back to kde
[21:49] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: no, i've been solid kde for errr, gosh, over 6 years now
[21:49] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: :O
[21:50] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: i gave XFCE a fair trial one time.  but Gnome has never lasted more than 15 min with me
[21:51] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I use KDE since...version 1.1, rarely changing to the occasional fwm or what was around back then
[21:51] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: not even with compiz+4 wallpaper or more+conky
[21:51] <shadeslayer> or screenlets
[21:52] <Walzmyn> not the biggest fan of compiz either. Since it's not built in it always felt really clunky
[21:52] <patrick_> hello
[21:52] <Walzmyn> hi, patrick_
[21:52] <shadeslayer> ok..im going away for a while :)....
[21:52] <Walzmyn> but I could never find anything in gnome. KDE, everything was just where it shoulda been
[21:52] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: Desktop Effects run smmother on KDE 4
[21:52] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: the top thing i currently hate in KDE are those window borders :)
[21:53] <Walzmyn> Mamarok: i think so as well
[21:53] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: definitely
[21:53] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: see, i'd never even notice things like that
[21:53] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[21:53] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: are you a devel with KDE??
[21:55] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: when i switched to ubuntu i always thought why didnt the scroll lock key work :P
[21:55] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: to do what?
[21:56] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: nothing...just wondered why windows had it working wjile linux didnt :)
[21:56] <shadeslayer> *while
[21:56]  * Walzmyn dosen't know what the key is for
[21:57] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: also just wanted to point out that emerald has that cool rolling up of windows while KDE doesnt
[21:57] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: yawn   :)
[21:58] <shadeslayer> quite handy sometimes actually....
[21:58] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: not exactly, but I do everything else: translations, support, bug triaging, etc.
[21:58] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ah..
[21:58] <Walzmyn> Mamarok: you work for canical?
[21:59] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: nope, self employed
[21:59] <Walzmyn> Mamarok: ok
[21:59] <shadeslayer> there is one devel i know about who comes on this channel
[22:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger
[22:00] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: there are more though :)
[22:00] <Mamarok> when they find time to do so...
[22:00] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i know...but i dont know all of them :)
[22:01] <mngrif> is flash under 64bit 9.04 any less broke as opposed to under 8.04? (as in, should i run 32 bit or 64 bit?)
[22:01] <shadeslayer> ive talked to him in my early days of kubuntu 8.10 :)
[22:01] <shadeslayer> mngrif: works fine for me
[22:01] <Mamarok> mngrif: that's not exactly a problem of the Kubunut version but the Flash version
[22:01] <Mamarok> Kubuntu*
[22:01] <Mamarok> mngrif: but the new driver works fine now
[22:02] <mngrif> Mamarok: i know, but 8.04 versions are totally different than the 9.04 versions. which "new driver"?
[22:02] <mngrif> nspluginwrapper?
[22:02] <shadeslayer> mngrif: lets see
[22:02] <Mamarok> mngrif: no, the new flash driver aka plugin
[22:02] <shadeslayer> !info flash
[22:02] <Walzmyn> mngrif: i'm running 8.10 64bit with no flash problems. I would assumn 9.04 would have none either
[22:03] <mngrif> thanks Walzmyn
[22:03] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: yes, it works fine now, since the new 64 bit driver is around
[22:03] <shadeslayer> mngrif: heck im running 9.04 64 bit...i have no problem either
[22:03] <mngrif> shadeslayer: thanks :)
[22:03] <Mamarok> !flash
[22:03] <mngrif> that's all i needed to know, i appreciate it
[22:04] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: bet he knew that was coming
[22:04] <mngrif> yup.
[22:04] <Mamarok> :)
[22:04] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: installing :)
[22:04] <mngrif> [21:04:27] [NickServ] Registered : Mar 02 06:32:33 2005 (4 years, 12 weeks, 1 day, 14:31:54 ago)
[22:04] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: good!
[22:05] <shadeslayer> so far so good :)
[22:05] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: what was that you were asking me to install ??
[22:05] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: plasma-widgets
[22:06] <Mamarok> search for plsama with the search button while you are in synaptic, just do it in "All packages"
[22:06] <Mamarok> instead of the Launchpad origin main only
[22:06] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: installed already
[22:06] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: all of them?
[22:07] <Mamarok> there's a kdebase-plasma something you will need
[22:07] <mngrif> oooh, i love the new networkmanager
[22:08] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: not in all the repos
[22:08] <shadeslayer> checking all of them
[22:08] <shadeslayer> haha synaptic crashed
[22:08] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: there is plasma-widgets-workspace for example
[22:08] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: is that a meta package??
[22:08] <Mamarok> crashed? in Gnome?
[22:08] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yes
[22:08] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: that's the base package
[22:09] <shadeslayer> ok
[22:09] <Mamarok> wow...
[22:09] <shadeslayer> i cant see it
[22:09] <Mamarok> you also need plasma-dataengines-workspace
[22:10] <shadeslayer> ok i found it in apt-cache search
[22:10] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: not in the quick search space, the search button only
[22:10] <Mamarok> quick search is to narrow a search
[22:10] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ah...
[22:11] <endial_> Is there place I can go to start learning the basics of Kubuntu?  I don't really know what all I can do and the stuff I used to be able to do in different OS's I cant do now.
[22:11] <shadeslayer> !new
[22:11] <Mamarok> endial_: have a look at userbase.kde.org
[22:12] <Mamarok> endial_: also, browse the menu for applications and have a look at the ones you might need
[22:12] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok so plasma-widget-workspace and plasma-dataengines-workspace right?? what else??
[22:12] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I installed everything with plasma-widget ...
[22:12] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok
[22:13] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no meta package i guess then
[22:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: well, no, not so far
[22:15] <danielane> alguem pode me da uma ajuda
[22:16] <desaparecido> danielane: hola
[22:16] <danielane> kde
[22:16] <desaparecido> en español es posible, no en portuges...
[22:16] <Mamarok> !es | danielane, desaparecido
[22:17] <Mamarok> !pt | danielane
[22:17] <vegard_> hi, im new with kubuntu, can somone plz tell me where i can install my graphic drivers, i have a nvidia card
[22:17] <desaparecido> gracias por el tip obottu
[22:18] <vegard_> sorry, i don't speak spanish
[22:18] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: downloading :)
[22:18] <Mamarok> vegard_: that was not an answer to you
[22:18] <vegard_> ok
[22:18] <vegard_> :P
[22:19] <shadeslayer> vegard_: in the system tray there should be a notification
[22:19] <vegard_> it's gone.. :S
[22:19] <shadeslayer> vegard_: then you probably installed it
[22:20]  * shadeslayer wonders if he should introduce vegard_ to the terminal and apt-get
[22:20] <vegard_> ok, thx :)
[22:20] <shadeslayer> vegard_: wait
[22:21] <shadeslayer> vegard_: what card??
[22:21] <vegard_> nvidia 9800 GT
[22:21] <shadeslayer> vegard_: if you have nvidia sudo apt-get install nvidia-180-modaliases
[22:21] <shadeslayer> in a terminal
[22:22] <vegard_> ok, i think it's installed now, thank you very much
[22:23] <shadeslayer> vegard_: check if you can enable desktop effects
[22:24] <vegard_> whare do i find the desktop effects? xD
[22:24] <vegard_> hehe
[22:24] <shadeslayer> vegard_: K > system settings > display >
[22:25] <shadeslayer> vegard_: wait..its in system settings but under a different name...just look around youll find it
[22:25] <vegard_> ok
[22:25] <Mamarok> ok folks, I'm off for tonight, 10+ hours of support is enough :)
[22:25] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: bye , good night and thanks
[22:25] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: just tell me how it went, I will read the message tomorrow :)
[22:25] <Polyculture> vegard_: appearance
[22:25] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok
[22:26] <Mamarok> gn8 all, have fun with Kubuntu :)
[22:26] <bob000> Help! I'm new to kubuntu.
[22:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: youll sleep on the IRC :P
[22:26] <Polyculture> Mamarok: good night
[22:26] <bob000> anyone there?
[22:26] <shadeslayer> !new | bob000
[22:26] <Walzmyn> my default window manager is set to /usr/sbin/gdm - but there's no /usr/sbin/kdm - how do i get it back to KDE?
[22:26] <vegard_> yes, i found it, but how do i enable the desktop effects in there?
[22:26] <Walzmyn> bob000: just ask any question you have
[22:27] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: simple run sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[22:27] <vegard_> sorry all my stupid questions xD
[22:27] <shadeslayer> vegard_: no problems at all
[22:27] <Polyculture> vegard_: aah, its under "Desktop"
[22:27] <bob000> thank you, but i know how it works being a linux geek wannabe. does kubuntu have an equivilant to "add/remove programs?"
[22:27] <shadeslayer> vegard_: check the box named desktop effects
[22:28] <vegard_> yes it's enabled... :P
[22:28] <shadeslayer> bob000: yes..kpackagekit
[22:28] <Polyculture> vegard_:the quick way though would be to right click on the window deco and choose "configure window behaviour"
[22:28] <Walzmyn> thanks shadeslayer
[22:28] <shadeslayer> !apt > bob000
[22:28] <bob000> erm...how do you
[22:28] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: np
[22:28] <bob000> "PM"?
[22:28] <vegard_> ok
[22:28] <shadeslayer> okk hopefully ill be back in kde 4.3
[22:28] <vegard_> ty for the help
[22:29] <bob000> thank you
[22:29]  * Walzmyn wonders if he should confuse bob000 by telling him that synaptic is easier to use
[22:29] <bob000> AUGH! no
[22:29] <bob000> I don't know how to use the IRC client
[22:29] <bob000> I used Debian for a while and I dislike the syneptic
[22:30] <Polyculture> bob000: although its not a kde app i recommend synaptic as graphical frontend for package handling
[22:30] <Walzmyn> really? I'm a kde guy, but i like it better than kpackage
[22:31] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: so do I...
[22:31]  * Mamarok definitely hides now
[22:31] <bob000> I like user friendly things...heh
[22:31] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: there??
[22:31] <bob000> this is a first, KDE
[22:31] <Walzmyn> i think synaptic is more user friendly, but each to his own
[22:31] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: it didnt work
[22:31] <Walzmyn> what are you looking to install bob000?
[22:32] <Polyculture> bob000:you might also wanna give adept a try
[22:32] <bob000> how do I pm?
[22:32] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: did you move .kde/?
[22:32] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no
[22:32] <Mamarok> try again
[22:32] <shadeslayer> ok
[22:33] <bob000> I want firefox, the default browser isn't compatible with some things
[22:33] <bob000> and I want the GIMP
[22:33] <Polyculture> bob000: are you familiar wit h the terminal?
[22:33] <bob000> not really
[22:33] <bob000> but i can manage
[22:33] <Walzmyn> bob000: yeah, that's always one of my first installs
[22:34] <bob000> kk
[22:34] <Walzmyn> sudo apt-get install firefox gimp
[22:34] <bob000> how do i do it?
[22:34] <Polyculture> just give it a try, as it's really easy to install packages provided you know their name
[22:34] <bob000> thankee
[22:34] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: nope
[22:34] <shadeslayer> Exact same error
[22:34] <bob000> do you have to install stuff using the terminal?
[22:34] <Polyculture> bob000: hit alt+f2
[22:34] <Walzmyn> bob000: no, but it's faster if you know what you're doing
[22:35] <bob000> okay
[22:35] <Polyculture> bob000: and type "konsole"
[22:35] <bob000> is there something with an interface?
[22:35] <bob000> oh okay
[22:35] <bob000> you're all awesome
[22:35] <bob000> thnx
[22:35] <Polyculture> bob000: when you have it running just type: "sudo apt-get install firefox gimp"
[22:36] <bob000> thanks i've got 2 people telling me the same thing
[22:36] <bob000> xD
[22:36] <Walzmyn> bob000: yeah, sorry, i let Polyculturehav eit
[22:36] <bob000> is there something with an interface that a nebie like me can use?
[22:36] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ??
[22:36] <bob000> *newbie
[22:36] <Polyculture> Walzmyn: alright
[22:36] <vegard_> hm.. why doesn't the desktop effects work now? I have clicked the apply button...
[22:37] <Polyculture> vegard_: you probably have to restart your x-server
[22:37] <shadeslayer> vegard_: restart X or reboot to get drivers working
[22:37] <Polyculture> bob000:yep
[22:37] <bob000> Polyculture: where?
[22:38] <bob000> is that how you PM?
[22:38] <vegard_> ok, is that any shortcuts to restart the x server?
[22:38] <bob000> how do you PM?
[22:38] <shadeslayer> !pm
[22:38] <shadeslayer> hmm...not quite right
[22:38] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok ill talk later then if youre gone
[22:39] <shadeslayer> anyone with experience of KDE 4.3 beta??
[22:40] <desaparecido> yes, i am with 4.3
[22:40] <desaparecido> a lot of bugs even now,
[22:40] <shadeslayer> desaparecido: hey..i cant get it to work
[22:40] <shadeslayer> i cant even log ing
[22:41] <desaparecido> but KDE 4.3 beta 1 is beautiful,
[22:41] <shadeslayer> ive heard that already...dont tease ne
[22:41] <shadeslayer> *me
[22:41] <shadeslayer> oh wait i didnt restart X maybe that helps
[22:41] <desaparecido> to work is better KDE 4.2.3
[22:41] <shadeslayer> desaparecido: brb.
[22:41] <desaparecido> is more stable,
[22:42] <FernandoLB> desaparecido: Where are you from ?
[22:42] <desaparecido> plasma and a lot off application bugs, even if restarts quickly is no so cool
[22:43] <desaparecido> i am from guatemala but i live in belgium
[22:43] <FernandoLB> Hmm. desaparecido is a Portuguese word.
[22:43] <desaparecido> and spanish too
[22:44] <FernandoLB> And in Spanish does it mean 'vanishe', as it does in portuguese ?
[22:44] <desaparecido> shadeslayer:  you need a stable desktop to work?
[22:44] <FernandoLB> I'm giving kde a try, but I'm not able to get used to it...
[22:45] <desaparecido> desaparecido=vanished
[22:45] <FernandoLB> Yes. My keyboard trapped me :D
[22:45] <FernandoLB> disappeared
[22:47] <desaparecido> fernandoLB: yes, sorry
[22:47] <innovate2000> any mdadm guru's here?
[22:47] <shadeslayer> ok now it loads up the drive icon but gives me a segmentation fault
[22:47] <FernandoLB> desaparecido: Sorry of what?
[22:48] <shadeslayer> what the hell do i do?? im stuck at this problem for 2 hours :(
[22:49] <desaparecido> fernandoLB, i read "disapeared", almost "desaparecido", only that :P
[22:49] <bob000> someday I'll be geeks like all of you, but for now...ttyl
[22:49] <shadeslayer> desaparecido: any advice??
[22:50] <FernandoLB> desaparecido: OK.
[22:50] <shadeslayer> anyone here who can help me with kde 4.3???
[22:51] <desaparecido> i had this segmentation fault with gwenview and amarok, and you?
[22:51] <desaparecido> shadeslayer: which application
[22:51] <shadeslayer> kbuildsycoca4
[22:53] <desaparecido> with gwenview the problem was solved after a upgrade this week-end, and with that (kbuildsycoca) did(n have probleme
[22:53] <shadeslayer> desaparecido: could you join #kde
[22:54] <shadeslayer> im having a discussion there
[22:54] <desaparecido> shadeslayer
[22:54] <desaparecido> shadeslayer: ok
[22:55] <innovate2000> is there a way to set a md device to clean (from active)? I've tried mdadm --assemble --assume-clean but only 4 of 6 devices are found - examine shows 2 devices as state=active
[23:02] <vegard_> hm, i don't understand anything about the KDE menus :'(
[23:04] <vegard_> i think im installing ubuntu instead
[23:11] <shadeslayer> anyone who can help me get to kde 4.3 beta??? please??
[23:16] <W4gn3r_> anyone here know how can I change a file type icon?
[23:16] <W4gn3r_> like
[23:16] <W4gn3r_> .w4g have my own image
[23:22] <cherry2000> hi..i am installing a new 904 kubuntu in a macbook.and there is a problem with the wifi...
[23:27] <kaddi> hello :)
[23:28] <slowhoe> wlan0     No scan results
[23:28] <slowhoe> trash
[23:35] <sysop> hi
[23:37] <sysop> I have a emac with a busted dvd rom I want to install kubuntu on. any ideas on how I can get it to boot? I tried using firewire dvd burner and bootable usb key and I see them in the boot menu but when I choose them neither one boots.
[23:37] <jairo> http://mua-z.elbruto.es/cellule
[23:39] <sysop> el bruto that is what your mom calls me but that doesnt answer my question.
[23:40] <jairo> http://mua-z.elbruto.es/cellule
[23:47] <alesan> how do I upgrade to 9.04?
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> From what version?
[23:47] <alesan> 8.10
[23:48] <alesan> adept-updater informs me there is a new version I click to upgrade to it but nothing happens
[23:48] <alesan> (I'm using KDE3)
[23:48] <W4gn3r_> did you tried "sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[23:50] <alesan> well no, should I do that?
[23:50] <alesan> anyway
[23:50] <alesan> it tells me there is nothing to upgrade
[23:51] <alesan> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:51] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:51] <W4gn3r_> dist-upgrade
[23:51] <W4gn3r_> forgot that
[23:51] <W4gn3r_> =D
[23:52] <alesan> mh
[23:52] <alesan> the result of dist-upgrade is the same...
[23:53] <BluesKaj> maybe just open a package manager and install kde4
[23:54] <alesan> I do not want KDE4, just to upgrade to 9.04
[23:54] <ubuntu> too bad
[23:55] <ubuntu> it isn't posible
[23:55] <alesan> ???
[23:55] <alesan> what are you saying
[23:55] <W4gn3r_> he means he doens't want just a KDE3 - KDE4 upgrade
[23:55] <alesan> no wait
[23:56] <ubuntu> Oh sorry lol wrong convo
[23:56] <alesan> I do not want KDE4 at all with 9.04, but this is independent to the upgrade to 9.04
[23:56] <W4gn3r_> ok now I'm confused
[23:56] <W4gn3r_> jaunty = KDE4
[23:56] <W4gn3r_> afaik
[23:56] <alesan> no
[23:56] <alesan> there are KDE3.5 repositories
[23:57] <alesan> in particular: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kb9vqf/ubuntu
[23:57] <alesan> http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/
[23:57] <alesan> it's very well maintained and such
[23:57] <alesan> and it supports jaunty
[23:58] <W4gn3r_> interesting
[23:58] <alesan> only I would like to upgrade to jaunty, forget the KDE version I use, that is a matter of repositories
[23:58] <alesan> W4gn3r_, I was told about those repos here on this channel
[23:58] <alesan> :)
[23:58] <W4gn3r_> =D
[23:59] <W4gn3r_> I'm scared bout adding a ppa repo
[23:59] <W4gn3r_> I've done it a while ago, apt-get upgrade, then....