[00:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1991 Preparing packages
[01:33] <robru> More builds!
[01:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1991 Pending binary packages
[01:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1991 Successfully built
[02:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1991 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/thumbnailer). Successfully built (vivid/thumbnailer, xenial/thumbnailer)
[05:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1946 QA Signoff: Approved
[06:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1946 Publishing packages
[07:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1946 Proposed pocket (yakkety/ubuntuone-credentials). Release pocket (vivid/ubuntuone-credentials, xenial/ubuntuone-credentials)
[07:13] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: hey there! The changes in https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1960 fix the issue!
[07:13] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: wow! so it was the third patch then!
[07:14] <Mirv> great news.
[07:14] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: yeah! Thanks a lot man!
[07:14] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: Is that silo landed?
[07:15] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: no, it was waiting for testing.. now I'll need to update the -gles twin packages still, and then I'll click the Approve button so that autopkgtests will start running (thousands of them, will take another day)
[07:16] <Mirv> Qt is a bit slow to land
[07:16] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: no prob. Thanks again
[07:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1949 Currently building (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src). Failed to build (yakkety/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src). Ready to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtdeclar
[07:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1991 Preparing packages
[07:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1995 Dependency wait (yakkety/unity-scope-click). Failed to build (vivid/unity-scope-click, xenial/unity-scope-click)
[07:42] <mardy> sil2100: hi! can you mark this silo as ready for qa? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1817
[07:43] <sil2100> mardy: hey! Why is bileto showing the automated sign-off as failing?
[07:57] <robru> sil2100: mardy: looks like one of the packages is newer in proposed, which makes it completely unpublishable as is, definitely don't QA it, needs a rebuild to get a higher version number
[07:57] <mardy> robru, sil2100: mmm... let me check
[07:58] <mardy> robru: ah, right, I need to wait for the other silo to land first, then I'll rebuild this one
[07:58] <robru> File a bug against bileto, status should be "needs rebuild because version is too low" or something
[07:58] <mardy> robru: maybe it's because the other silo ( https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1497 ) has not completely landed yet
[08:00] <robru> mardy: no that wouldn't count because it's held in unapproved, eg, nowhere.
[08:00] <mardy> robru: ok, I'll file a bug then
[08:02] <robru> mardy: you should also ask #ubuntu-release to approve those packages, that status is red for a reason, it won't fix itself
[08:02] <mardy> robru: you mean https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1497?
[08:02] <robru> mardy: yeah
[08:03] <mardy> robru: but I thought that "UNAPPROVED" is a queue that release members are monitoring?
[08:03] <robru> mardy: oh, real problem is https://bileto.ubuntu.com/static/britney/landing-090/yakkety/excuses.html s390x
[08:04] <mardy> robru: ok
[08:04] <robru> mardy: ticket 1497 was published 4 days ago, if you want to keep waiting I suppose that's your choice...
[08:05] <mardy> robru: nope :-) I just have no idea of how it should normally take, so...
[08:06] <robru> mardy: but yeah 1819 needs s390x resolved and rebuilt after the other one lands before taking QA time on it
[08:06] <mardy> robru: ok
[08:06] <robru> mardy: release people are busy busy probably missed it. Definitely doesn't hurt to ask
[08:07] <mardy> robru: I should still file a bug about the status in bileto, right?
[08:07] <robru> mardy: yeah that'd be a good bileto feature, thanks
[08:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1949 Currently building (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src). Failed to build (yakkety/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src). Pending binary packages (yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src). Ready to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-
[08:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1991 Pending binary packages
[08:33] <Mirv> sil2100: jibel: I guess no show means no particular topics for landing meeting?
[08:33] <Mirv> I guess business is mostly as usual right now, with 16.10 closing in
[08:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1991 Successfully built
[09:03] <sil2100> Indeed
[09:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1949 Currently building (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src). Diff missing (yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src). Failed to build (yakkety/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src). Ready to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, y
[09:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1949 Diff missing (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src). Failed to build (yakkety/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src). Ready to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtdeclarative-
[10:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1949 Diff missing (yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src). Failed to build (yakkety/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src). Pending binary packages (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src). Ready to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gl
[10:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1960 Currently building (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles). Failed to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles). Successfully built (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src)
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg seb128 pitti laney charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 QA Signoff: N/A
[10:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1949 Diff missing (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src). Failed to build (yakkety/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src). Ready to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtdeclarative-
[10:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg seb128 pitti laney charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 Dependency wait (yakkety/indicator-bluetooth, yakkety/indicator-keyboard, yakkety/indicator-power, yakkety/indicator-sound). Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/indicator-session). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/indicator-display). Pending binary packages (yakkety/libindicator). Successfully built (yakkety/hud, yakkety/indicator-application, yak
[11:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1996 Pending binary packages
[11:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- justinmcp, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1823 yakkety/media-hub: Failed to update local lp:~ci-train-bot/media-hub/media-hub-ubuntu-yakkety-landing-044 cache
[12:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- justinmcp, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1823 Successfully built
[13:06] <marcustomlinson> sil2100: hi, could you help me understand the status of: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1967
[13:11] <dobey> marcustomlinson, sil2100: i just asked in #ubuntu-release if someone could prod those
[13:11] <dobey> hopefully someone will
[13:11] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: just-highlight-trainguard_s. yakkety is in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= where you'll need... right, what dobey did, to get them into yakkety-proposed
[13:12] <marcustomlinson> Mirv, dobey: thanks
[13:25] <sil2100> I guess it'll need to be approved along with the new zeromq3 and zmqpp
[13:30] <dobey> oh maybe
[13:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1996 Diff missing
[13:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1848 QA Signoff: Approved
[13:55] <rvr> ssweeny: Hi. Silo 1922 is blocked because the merge proposal is not reviewed.
[13:56] <rvr> charles_: Please, review the branch in silo 1988 to unblock it. Thanks.
[13:57] <ssweeny> rvr: you just need it top-approved, right?
[13:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 Release pocket
[13:58] <rvr> ssweeny: Right
[14:01] <ssweeny> rvr: done
[14:02] <rvr> ssweeny: Thanks :)
[14:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1960 Pending binary packages (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles). Successfully built (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles)
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1943 yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings: Failed to update local lp:~ci-train-bot/ubuntu-system-settings/ubuntu-system-settings-ubuntu-yakkety-landing-1943 cache
[14:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1895 Preparing packages
[14:20] <charles> ssweeny, rvr, thanks
[16:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1943 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings)
[16:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1966 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings)
[16:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1550 Bad merges (yakkety/unity8). Needs rebuild due to burned version number (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/unity-system-compositor). Successfully built (vivid/unity-system-compositor, vivid/unity8, xenial/unity-system-compositor, xenial/unity8)
[16:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh marcustomlinson gary-wzl charles xavigarcia, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1791 Needs rebuild due to burned version number (vivid/signon-plugin-oauth2, xenial/signon-plugin-oauth2, yakkety/signon-plugin-oauth2). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/account-plugins, yakkety/keeper, yakkety/mcloud, yakkety/net-cpp, yakkety/storage-framework). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/keeper, vivid/mcloud, vivid/net-
[16:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1993 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-settings-components). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-settings-components, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components)
[16:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1814 Proposed pocket (yakkety/unity-scopes-api). Release pocket (xenial/unity-scopes-api, xenial/zeromq3, xenial/zmqpp). UNAPPROVED queue (yakkety/zeromq3, yakkety/zmqpp)
[16:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andreas-pokorny, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1933 Failed to build (vivid/mir, xenial/mir, xenial/unity-system-compositor). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/mir, yakkety/qtmir). Successfully built (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/unity-system-compositor, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, yakkety/qtmir-gles, yakkety/unity-system-compositor)
[16:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1993 Preparing packages
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1895 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-settings-components). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/location-service, vivid/ubuntu-settings-components, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/location-service, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, yakkety/address-book-app, yakkety/location-service)
[16:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1675 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity8, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles)
[16:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1998 Pending binary packages
[16:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth mardy, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1497 Proposed pocket (yakkety/account-plugins, yakkety/signon-plugin-oauth2, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts). Release pocket (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/signon-plugin-oauth2, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/signon-plugin-oauth2, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts)
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth mardy, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1817 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts). Successfully built (vivid/online-accounts-api, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, xenial/online-accounts-api, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, yakkety/online-accounts-api)
[16:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pstolowski, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1785 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (vivid/unity-scopes-shell, xenial/unity-scopes-shell)
[16:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1967 Proposed pocket (yakkety/unity-scopes-shell). REJECTED queue (yakkety/unity-scopes-api). Release pocket (vivid/unity-scopes-api, vivid/unity-scopes-shell, xenial/unity-scopes-api, xenial/unity-scopes-shell)
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1992 QA Signoff: Required
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1992 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/account-plugins). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, xenial/account-plugins)
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1814 yakkety/zeromq3: Failed to fetch https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/zeromq3_4.1.5+git20160811+2fc86bc-0ubuntu2_source.changes
[16:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1960 Generating diffs
[16:45] <dobey> sil2100: can you please finalize https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1967 ?
[16:45] <dobey> sil2100: or i guess we have to wait for -shell to go through proposed and then force merge?
[16:50] <robru> dobey: why is it rejected queue? That package will be lost if you finalize
[16:52] <dobey> robru: because it needed a rebuild for new zmqpp, and sil2100 did a manual upload for no-change rebuild, which was accepted
[16:52] <dobey> the manual upload was the same changes, but with the additional no-change rebuild
[16:52] <robru> Ugh
[16:52] <dobey> yeah
[16:52] <dobey> which is why i'm bugging sil2100 specifically :)
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1993 Pending binary packages
[16:55] <robru> dobey: sil2100: yeah, even if you copy the no-change back to the PPA it'll complain the version doesn't match bzr. Better solution would have been rebuild that package in bileto and republish.
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1814 Proposed pocket (yakkety/unity-scopes-api, yakkety/zeromq3, yakkety/zmqpp). Release pocket (xenial/unity-scopes-api, xenial/zeromq3, xenial/zmqpp)
[16:56] <robru> But anyway yeah force finalize is required now, after that other package gets through proposed
[17:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1960 Successfully built
[17:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv mardy, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1997 Diff missing (xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles). Pending binary packages (yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src)
[17:31] <ChrisTownsend> Hi!  Anyone here that could try republishing https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1947 ?  Seems something mysterious happened in the original publish.
[17:32] <ChrisTownsend> That has already landed in the overlay, but it messed up for Yakkety.
[17:38] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: messed up how?
[17:38] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: Umm, I'm not sure hat has happened, but is seems it was rejected for yakkety for reasons unknown.
[17:39] <ChrisTownsend> s/hat/what
[17:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ChrisTownsend, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1947 Publishing packages
[17:41] <cjwatson> dobey: Launchpad OOPS during the copy, possibly (though not totally obviously) connected to the network outage earlier
[17:41] <dobey> yeah, in convo going on in #ubuntu-release about it :)
[17:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1993 Successfully built
[17:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv mardy, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1997 Diff missing (xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, yakkety/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles). Pending binary packages (xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src)
[18:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1998 Successfully built
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Failed to build
[18:02] <sil2100> slangasek: I won't make it for the meeting, still away waiting for my girlfriend to finish her exam
[18:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Preparing packages
[18:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ChrisTownsend, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1947 Release pocket (vivid/libertine, xenial/libertine). UNAPPROVED queue (yakkety/libertine)
[18:24] <robru> Ok, I guess we'll soon discover if bileto suffers from y2k ;-)
[18:27] <dobey> ?
[18:28] <dobey> oh, very bad joke
[18:28] <robru> Hehe
[18:28] <robru> It's 1999, dobey!
[18:29] <robru> Also, if anybody wants to see the lp outage visualized, there's a fun graph at https://bileto.ubuntu.com/log/
[18:29] <dobey> well surely you used at least 12 bits for the integer IDs :)
[18:30] <robru> dobey: heh yeah, the ticket ids are 8-byte Postgres bigints
[18:31] <robru> (i expect bileto to outlive the universe)
[18:33] <dobey> heh
[18:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv mardy, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1997 Diff missing
[18:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Failed to build (vivid/mediaplayer-app, xenial/mediaplayer-app). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/mediaplayer-app)
[19:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Preparing packages
[19:07] <robru> renato__: just curious, what's up with https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1896#audit_log ? idle for 20 days
[19:07] <renato__> robru, it is not priority anymore :D
[19:08] <renato__> robru, I will try ping some guys that need to test it before land
[19:09] <dobey> robru: and 2000 is mine!
[19:14] <robru> renato__: ah ok no worries. I'm just on the prowl for unneeded tickets to free ;-)
[19:15] <robru> dobey: it was a good year
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Failed to build
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2000 Pending binary packages
[19:26] <dobey> charles: hey, can you reconnect to work irc? :)
[19:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pstolowski, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1785 Successfully built
[19:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Preparing packages
[19:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 xenial/mediaplayer-app: Failed to build source package
[19:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Preparing packages
[19:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 vivid/mediaplayer-app: Failed to build source package
[19:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Preparing packages
[19:47] <dobey> robru: hey, do you know where the bits to enable coverage builds in the old s-jenkins setup are? trying to figure out how to add the -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=cvoerage bit
[20:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Failed to build
[20:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2000 Successfully built
[20:03] <rvr> robru: ping
[20:04] <rvr> robru: I think there is a bug in bileto regarding to pinning
[20:05] <rvr> robru: I took a look to /etc/apt/preferences.d/extras-ppa.pref and *landing-45* is hardcoded
[20:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1995 Currently building (yakkety/unity-scope-click). Failed to build (vivid/unity-scope-click, xenial/unity-scope-click)
[20:18] <robru> dobey: no sorry
[20:19] <robru> rvr: what is the bug? pinning was implemented specifically to ensure that you were testing the contents of a given ticket PPA, even if the versions were lower than what was in distro or whatever
[20:19] <robru> rvr: oh you mean landing-45 instead of landing-045?
[20:21] <robru> rvr: code looks fine to me, it gets the PPA name direct from the ticket. make sure you have the latest version of the script from ppa:phablet-team/tools
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1995 Failed to build
[20:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Preparing packages
[20:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ChrisTownsend, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1947 Proposed pocket (yakkety/libertine). Release pocket (vivid/libertine, xenial/libertine)
[20:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
[21:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1956 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/libertine). Successfully built (vivid/libertine, vivid/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/libertine, xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, yakkety/ubuntu-app-launch)
[21:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2000 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity-scope-click). Successfully built (xenial/unity-scope-click)
[21:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2000 Preparing packages
[21:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Currently building (vivid/history-service, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/history-service, yakkety/telephony-service). Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telepathy-ofono). Successfully built (vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telepathy-ofono, xenial/messaging-app, yakkety/messaging-app)
[21:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Failed to build
[21:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2000 Uploading build
[21:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telepathy-ofono). Pending binary packages (vivid/history-service, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/history-service, yakkety/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telepathy-ofono, xenial/messaging-app, yakkety/messaging-app)
[21:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pstolowski, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1785 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (vivid/unity-scopes-shell, xenial/unity-scopes-shell)
[21:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1967 REJECTED queue (yakkety/unity-scopes-api). Release pocket (vivid/unity-scopes-api, vivid/unity-scopes-shell, xenial/unity-scopes-api, xenial/unity-scopes-shell, yakkety/unity-scopes-shell)
[21:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Preparing packages
[21:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1967 Merging branches
[21:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2000 Pending binary packages
[21:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/telephony-service). Pending binary packages (vivid/history-service, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/history-service). Successfully built (vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telepathy-ofono, xenial/messaging-app, yakkety/messaging
[21:47] <rvr> robru: Well
[21:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pstolowski, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1785 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (vivid/unity-scopes-shell, xenial/unity-scopes-shell)
[21:48] <rvr> robru: The silo I installed was silo 84, so...
[21:48] <rvr> robru: 45 is wrong :P
[21:49] <robru> rvr: ah, I see what happened. The new script takes the ticket number, not the PPA number. So really you installed ticket 84, which was PPA 45 if you look: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/84
[21:50] <robru> rvr: the ticket number is the only thing you should care about. that the PPA number is different is a transient implementation detail. all new tickets will have matching ticket/ppa numbers
[21:54] <rvr> robru: Ahhh
[22:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Failed to build (vivid/mediaplayer-app). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/mediaplayer-app). Pending binary packages (xenial/mediaplayer-app)
[22:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/telephony-service). Pending binary packages (vivid/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telepathy-ofono, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/history-service, yakkety/messaging
[22:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Preparing packages
[22:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2000 Successfully built
[22:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/history-service, yakkety/messaging-app)
[22:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Failed to build (xenial/mediaplayer-app, yakkety/mediaplayer-app). Pending binary packages (vivid/mediaplayer-app)
[22:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Preparing packages
[23:25] <michi> robru: ticket 1991 has been in the “Running” state for autopkg testing for 14 hours now.
[23:25] <michi> Anything to worry about? Or are the test machines just too busy?
[23:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1999 Pending binary packages
[23:43] <robru> michi: looking
[23:44] <michi> Thanks!
[23:45] <robru> michi: indeed I don't see 1991 at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running
[23:45] <michi> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1991#audit_log
[23:45] <michi> Says "Running"
[23:46] <robru> michi: so all that means is that bileto ran britney, and then saw 'test in progress' in the excuses, eg if you look at https://bileto.ubuntu.com/static/britney/1991/yakkety/excuses.html it claims there's a unity8 test in progress
[23:46] <robru> michi: which is a link to http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running that lists other tickets but not 1991
[23:46] <michi> Aha.
[23:47] <michi> So, what’s not right here?
[23:47] <robru> michi: not sure. Needs pitti to investigate for sure
[23:47] <robru> maybe slangasek is able to dig into that and retry the tests or something ^^
[23:49] <michi> OK, thanks. I’ll leave the silo alone then for the time being. I don’t want to wipe out any footprints that might be useful.
[23:49] <robru> michi: why, do you want to rebuild it or something? don't let britney bugs slow down your momentum
[23:50] <michi> Well, presumably, the silo won’t pass QA without having passed the autopkg tests.
[23:50] <michi> I don’t need to add anything to the silo.
[23:50] <michi> I just would like it to get into a state where it can pass QA.
[23:51] <robru> michi: but I mean this is clearly a problem with britney failing to discover the results (whether pass or fail) of an autopkgtest, no point just letting it rot. QA can override britney and take it into their queue if you explain the situation
[23:51] <michi> OK, thanks!
[23:51] <robru> michi: you're welcome
[23:52] <michi> Mirv: ping ^
[23:52] <michi> silo 1991 should be good to go, except that Britney got stuck.
[23:52] <slangasek> robru: hmm was there a --bileto-ticket option being added to run-autopkgtest?
[23:53] <slangasek> (I don't have it on snakefruit, wondering if I need a bzr pull or if I need to go hunt down the ppa name)
[23:53] <robru> slangasek: yeah the option is just --bileto
[23:53] <slangasek> robru: ok not in the help output on this version, maybe I need to pull :)
[23:54] <robru> slangasek: could be, pitti accepted my branch earlier for fixing up the tool to use the newest domain and look up PPAs from ticket numbers.
[23:54] <slangasek> robru: ah it needs the update for the git repo change
[23:55] <slangasek> er or no, it doesn't
[23:55] <robru> slangasek: is it possible to determine what happened that britney lost the autopkgtest results and got stuck in 'running' state for 14 hours? I see this from time to time and I just don't even know where to begin troubleshooting it.
[23:55] <robru> (assuming that you're just retrying it without even investigating)
[23:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1814 Proposed pocket (yakkety/zeromq3). Release pocket (xenial/unity-scopes-api, xenial/zeromq3, xenial/zmqpp, yakkety/unity-scopes-api, yakkety/zmqpp)
[23:55] <slangasek> robru: I think what happened to lose them was the weekend problem with the autopkgtest runners being killed by kernel
[23:55] <robru> hmm
[23:55] <slangasek> file a bug w/ pitti for this
[23:56] <slangasek> robru: I don't see the --bileto option anywhere in git.  Do you have a link to the MP?
[23:56] <slangasek> robru: and also a link to the ppa, so I can do both in parallel
[23:56] <robru> slangasek: https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/ubuntu-archive-tools/bileto.ubuntu.com/+merge/306294 this should be all you need
[23:57] <robru> slangasek: ppa is https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/1991/+packages but the above MP should be able to discover that from the ticket
[23:57] <slangasek> robru: ah, that's run-autopkgtest-regressions; I'm after run-autopkgtest, which is in the britney2-ubuntu branch
[23:57] <robru> slangasek: uh I never touched that
[23:58] <slangasek> robru: right, so run-autopkgtest still needs to be handed a ppa name
[23:59] <robru> slangasek: I don't even see that tool in britney2-ubuntu. also, where do you want that bug filed? britney?


[18:48] <chinoto> Anyone know of a good recovery tool? I tried testdisk (nix) and PC Inspector (windows). I think my thumbdrive is hosed :/
[18:55] <chinoto> I think I might have been using testdisk wrong though because it is claimed to be very good at recovering partitions, but it found very few if any partitions, while PC Inspector was able to get every partition I made for linux distros.
[19:16] <chinoto> aw well, seeya


[11:14] <PatrickDickey> Hi there. I was just curious as to whether the branch for saucy has been created yet or not. There are a couple of things in the Troublehsooting section that I want to start on as soon as possible (GRUB2 for one), so I was hoping the branch is there.
[12:27] <CarstenG> Hi Patrick
[12:27] <CarstenG> Yes, the saucy branch is already open
[12:29] <CarstenG> Raring is moved from lp:ubuntu-manual to lp:ubuntu-manual/raring, and saucy is now lp:ubuntu-manual
[13:14] <PatrickDickey> Ahhh thanks CarstenG. I'll have to re-run the branch command then. Thanks. :)
[13:16] <PatrickDickey> I'm downloading it now, and I'll add the 06-root-directories.png file in the screenshots, since that always gets removed when it shouldn't.
[13:20] <PatrickDickey> I've got it added, but there's a lock on the branch on launchpad. So, I'll try when I wake up later, as I'm guessing Kevin or Hannie still has a lock in place.
[13:35] <CarstenG> oh.
[13:35] <CarstenG> That was me.
[13:35] <CarstenG> One moment, I will try to fix this.
[13:37] <CarstenG> ok, I have done a »bzr break-lock«
[13:37] <CarstenG> It should work now.
[13:38] <CarstenG> Can you try it again?
[16:57] <teolemon> i was wondering whether it was possible to automate screenshots
[16:58] <teolemon> by emulating keystrokes and taking keystrokes once everything is in place
[17:48] <godbyk> teolemon: There are some tools to do that sort of thing, but I'm afraid we're not currently using them.
[18:27] <CarstenG> Hi teolemon: I had a short conversation last week in the #ubuntu-doc channel about this topic. They have a script »collect-screenshots.sh« Maybe we can adapt this for our purpose?
[18:27] <CarstenG> See http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/23/%23ubuntu-doc.html for details.
[18:28] <teolemon> sylvie indeed tells me there's an outdated scropt
[18:28] <teolemon> script
[18:28] <CarstenG> I did not yet looked into it...
[18:28] <teolemon> if we want to scale to many languages we need to find a way to make it easily editable
[18:28] <CarstenG> Does she mean the same?
[18:29] <teolemon> for every release
[18:29] <teolemon> unsure
[18:29] <teolemon> cqdf93 ?
[18:31] <cqfd93> yes, teolemen
[18:31] <cqfd93> teolemon
[18:31] <teolemon> same script as CarstenG ?
[18:32] <cqfd93> Quickshot, yes, but I've never tried it
[18:34] <CarstenG> The mentioned script from the docs team is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/raring/view/head:/collect-screenshots.sh
[18:52] <teolemon> ok
[18:52] <teolemon> how many screenshots to take ?
[18:57] <teolemon> i'll be back in an hour or so
[19:04] <cqfd93> 86, and I've already done 11 of them
[19:05] <cqfd93> Starting from tomorrow, I'll be offline for a few days, but I'll be able to take more screenshots and I'll push them when I get back
[20:17] <CarstenG> ok, see you all.
[20:17] <CarstenG> good night.


[04:13] <hackfu> i saw a lynx today
[04:14] <hackfu> they are really rare
[04:14] <hackfu> http://i.imgur.com/6j0j0rU.jpg


[09:33] <MartijnVdS> DespondentPotato: can you please just keep ONE nick?
[09:40] <SuperEngineer> +1
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> morning SuperEngineer
[09:41]  * MartijnVdS is sad
[09:41] <SuperEngineer> hi MartijnVdS, things good?
[09:41] <SuperEngineer> oh
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> According to the data sheet, the switch chip in my router supports "jumbo frames", which I would need to get larger PPPoE packets (with MTU 1500 packets inside)
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> but I'm too scared to update the constant in the kernel and re-flash :)
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> if the ethernet ports don't work anymore I'd have to open it up and solder in a serial header
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> and that's too much effort :)
[09:42]  * SuperEngineer knows that feeling well... especially on a Sunday ;)
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> also, apparently, the "CPU port" might not support the MTU
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: playing with OpenWRT is cool though :)
[09:43] <SuperMatt> anyone good with postfix?
[09:43] <SuperEngineer> that looks like "stop right there, go no futher" o me
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: what do you want to know/do?
[09:43] <SuperMatt> http://askubuntu.com/questions/278783/
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: I'll stick to filing a bug then :)
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt, SuperEngineer: your names! they confuse!
[09:44] <SuperMatt> soz
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: You configured Postfix to do greylisting, and Thunderbird to connect to that Postfix?
[09:44] <SuperMatt> yup
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: Or did you configure TBird to connect to Postfix which connects to the internet and finds a server with greylisting?
[09:45] <SuperMatt> I tried to send an email from myself to myself
[09:45] <SuperMatt> I have greylisting enabled
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: the point of greylisting is that it sends a "temporary failure" message first.. so thunderbird is hitting the greylist :)
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> you only want greylisting on _incoming_ smtp-servers, not outgoing
[09:46] <SuperMatt> what if you're using the same server for both?
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: then you tell postfix to enable to "Submission" port, and use that in thunderbird
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: and don't enable greylisting on that port
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> but DO enable auth
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> (and I'm not sure, but maybe SSL as well)
[09:46] <SuperMatt> yuh, I have auth enabled
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: submission is a different port.. submission	587/tcp				# Submission [RFC4409]
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> 587
[09:47] <SuperMatt> I think I understand now
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> it's also a great way around ISP's "port 25" blocks :)
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: there are lots of Postfix docs about the "submission"p ort
[09:52] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:58] <SuperMatt> dang, now I'm getting auth rejected on 587 D:
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: I think you have to configure it on a per-port basis
[10:00] <SuperMatt> ah, I think I've got it
[10:07] <SuperMatt> how silly of me, I forgot to enter my username and password into thunderbird >.<
[10:07] <dwatkins> Thunderbirds are go!
[10:13] <SuperMatt> ok, now is there a way to flush what servers have been greylisted?
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: you should have configured a greylist database
[10:16] <SuperMatt> I know what I'll do, I'll just use one of my other domains to test :D
[10:17] <SuperMatt> actually, nm
[10:17] <SuperMatt> I think I'm OK now
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[10:46] <SuperEngineer> hmmmm... confused!  just checked synaptic - my linux headers seem out of step with linux image http://imagebin.org/253090
[11:12] <G|Linuxusermriad> Dude I bought a Yeelong Lemote notebook last night at 1am off ebay 50%off .. I'm thinking I'll get 'all the signatures' and milk it for all it's worth .. should arrive May-  1st-week.
[11:14] <penguin42>  'yeelong lemote' ?
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: no-brand Chinese knockoff
[11:15] <penguin42> ah
[11:15] <penguin42> I notice there are a couple of no-brand highres tablets
[11:16] <SuperEngineer> complete with built in key logger no doubt
[11:17] <penguin42> shrug, not sure they're all that bad
[11:17] <SuperEngineer> [just joking]
[11:20] <G|Linuxusermriad> penguin42: I had somewhat of an ethical orghasm when I saw the price !!
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> G|Linuxusermriad: but.. keylogger?
[11:20] <G|Linuxusermriad> there's no keylogger, you derisor !
[11:26] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> Usually they cost about £375 to get them to the uk using Taobao.com [ http://loogson.taobao.com/ ] but beckii showed me the system .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFheq8ic1H8
[11:27] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> .. that's if they get through customs which can take over a month ..
[11:29] <penguin42> aren't there any amazon/ebay UK people who've already done that hard work
[11:30] <mungbean> and who would u return it to?
[11:30] <mungbean> zero post sale support
[11:31] <mungbean> yeelong lemote sounsd like an rms special
[11:31] <penguin42> yeh I'm ok with doing that for cheap converters/leads/etc on the basis you haven't lost much
[11:32] <penguin42> although the 3-4 ship from HK annoys me
[11:38] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> It's not about being a customer .. it's about Libre citizenship .. I'm part of the noosphere when it arrives.
[11:39] <mungbean> ?
[11:39] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> which part ?
[11:39] <penguin42> most of it
[11:39] <mungbean> someone spike ur drink?
[11:39] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> nope.
[11:40]  * penguin42 holds up some flippers - how many do you see?
[11:40] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> well the rght one is partly covered , but two , defo two.
[11:43] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> best thing is that I get an entry into the h-node hall of fame as my " 8089b " is not entered yet, but the " YeeLoong 8101B " is :: | http://h-node.org/notebooks/view/en/89/YeeLoong-8101B
[11:43] <penguin42> oh, one of the mips jobbies
[11:44] <mungbean> buying stuff online is so difficult nowadays, its hard to know whats fake and genuine. trying to get new airbrush.
[11:44] <penguin42> what are you going to run, Debian/mips ?
[11:44] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> me ?
[11:44] <mungbean> people even reuse model numbers
[11:46] <penguin42> G|Linuxusrmyriad: OK, I thought you were just buying a cheap laptop - that would be insane - but buying one of the open mips ones is a little less insane
[11:47] <mungbean> :-|
[11:47] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> penguin42: There aren't many posts on it .. but AFAs Debian .. here's one .. https://mulenmar.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/yeeloong-8089b-some-performance-tweaks/
[11:48] <penguin42> G|Linuxusrmyriad: Ouch that's pretty low spec
[11:49]  * SuperEngineer guesses it gets slowed down by the perpetual keylooger!  :D
[11:49] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> The whole thing is like that rope bridge walk in Indiana Jones  ... surprised it still endorsed by the China LUG !
[11:49] <penguin42>  <breakfast>

[11:54] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> There's an interesting Last post on ::: http://goo.gl/xmSDO :: " It sounds like you'd need to use a 64-bit version of MSVC so it doesn't run out of address space and crash hard, then ? "
[11:54] <SuperEngineer> <cream tea>
[11:55] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> <Coco & shortbread>
[11:57] <SuperEngineer> G|Linuxusrmyriad: hang on! nobody's done <cheese & biscuits> yet!
[11:58]  * SuperEngineer watches The Simpsons
[11:58] <shauno> reads like that's solving the wrong problem.  if it grows forever until you run out of ram, giving it more ram isn't a solution
[11:58] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> SuperEngineer: It was chronological, I was on night-cap, or else I would've.
[11:58] <Darael> You think model-number reuse for similar products is a problem - try one model number that appears to refer to at least seven *entirely different* products.
[11:59]  * brobostigon watches the simpsons also.
[11:59] <SuperEngineer> brobostigon: ;)
[11:59] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> shauno: So it's a snow-ball effect ?
[11:59] <brobostigon> SuperEngineer: :)
[12:00] <Darael> Speaking of which, I encountered an interesting thing recently:  A mobo where a short had actually burned through it, but somehow the components hadn't been fried.
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> Darael: ESD?
[12:00] <shauno> they make it sound like it's growing forever.  all 32 vs 64bit is going to change is the particular message it dies with
[12:01] <shauno> either it eats 1GB physical, 3GB swap, and then dies because it's hit the 32bit barrier.  or it eats 1GB physical, all your swap, and then dies because it hit the real barrier
[12:01] <Darael> Laptop motherboard, some git had accidentally shorted the negative pin on the DC jack to one of the positives.  It was working well after the burning-plastic-smell-and-no-longer-charged, up until it ran out of battery.
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> Darael: HP?
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> My old HP had that..
[12:02] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Nah.  Some no-name outfit.
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> it would run fine off batteries, but couldn't charge them
[12:02] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> shauno: I think that was my post .. I was trying to troll in '09 .. Can you see " Mednafen " other posts ?
[12:03] <Darael> The machine in question had that problem once, because the DC jack was actually broken.  It was out of warranty, so it was taken to a chap who soldered on a new jack.  But he caused the aforementioned short and eventually the mobo burned right through.
[12:03] <SuperEngineer> talking of ESD... have been asked to aquire a pair of ,conductive. safety boots!  - there's nothing like turning yourself into an earthing rod!
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: Just get a Faraday cage suit :)
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> (rubber-lined on the inside)
[12:04] <shauno> when they put metal studs in the seat of your chair, you'll wish you'd have taken the boots
[12:04]  * SuperEngineer starts eating rubber
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: sure they may TASTE like banana or strawberry.. but they're not for eating!
[12:05] <Darael> SuperEngineer: There are limits to "you are what you eat"...
[12:06] <SuperEngineer> [the conductive boots are for a new [major] client... apparently blowing up a whole petrol station can be injurious to one's health
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: health & safety gone mad!
[12:06] <SuperEngineer> therefore no static discharge is preferred... but I still prefer the eat rubber methd!
[12:08] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS:  /me composes email to boss titled "health & safety gone mad!"
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: "I read in the Daily Mail that..."
[12:09] <SuperEngineer> ...but holds back from copy/pasting this IRC into it :D
[12:10] <shauno> you consider this less authorative than the daily mail?
[12:12]  * SuperEngineer read the daily mail once - took 3 weeks to stop laughing
[12:12] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Yeh I think a lot of safety boots have some dischargey thing in
[12:13] <SuperEngineer> ...trouble is - people kept on saying it's meant to a joke - it's meant to be a newspaper
[12:13]  * penguin42 likes steel toe cap boots - they let you wiggle your toes
[12:13] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> Man, I've got Evapoated Milk and a stack of Columbian Coffee .. . .. is this a good combination ?
[12:13] <Darael> Is it time to mention kill-or-cure?
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle, yeah?
[12:13] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Hell yeh
[12:14] <SuperEngineer> ...& they your toes get cut off by the steel when it gets impacted! .. but don't let me worry you
[12:14] <SuperEngineer> ...use composite toe caps
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> ooh.. BTC = €119.99
[12:14] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Yeh but at least they get cut off cleanly!
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: no gangrene to worry about 8-)
[12:15] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: :D
[12:15]  * penguin42 doesn't do any heavy stuff any more; but I still wear them - my first were a pair of Doc's
[12:18]  * SuperEngineer wonders if safety boots really stop cars running you over when working on forecourt computer kit :)
[12:19] <popey> afternoon
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> \o popester
[12:19] <SuperMatt> hullo hullo
[12:19] <SuperEngineer> o?
[12:20] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> leaves.
[12:20] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: No, but if they nearly run you over you can put a much bigger dent in them
[12:21] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: [and get annoyed - saying " oi! you damaged my boots!]
[12:21] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: is this the pumps, sineage or some other monitoring stuff?
[12:22]  * SuperEngineer recalls having done what penguin42 suggests once or twice in a previous incarnation ;)
[12:26] <SuperEngineer> ..so my email to boss goes... "following intense discussion, I will wear composite toe-capped boots whilst eating rubber - and kick any car that nears to me!"
[12:26] <SuperEngineer> that should do it!
[12:27] <SuperEngineer> *comes near to...
[12:30] <penguin42> hehe
[12:31]  * popey suffers from bug 1162093
[12:33] <penguin42> popey: What's the character at the end of your lp name?
[12:33] <popey> ㋛ <- that
[12:34] <penguin42> hmm, my web browser wasn't rendering that but my irc is
[12:35] <SuperMatt> mine's other way around
[12:37] <SuperEngineer> popey: did you get to try "Amnesia - The Dark Descent"?
[12:40] <popey> not yet
[12:40] <mungbean> im confused, what decent sync does tomboy offer now?
[12:40] <popey> ssh, file, snowy
[12:41] <popey> same as it always did
[12:41] <mungbean> http://lists.beatniksoftware.com/pipermail/tomboy-list-beatniksoftware.com/2013-April/003004.html
[12:41] <mungbean> looks like they are discussing still
[12:42] <mungbean> It would seem possible that if we started a branch for the development of
[12:42] <mungbean> GDrive and or Dropbox and piled into it, both could be implemented within a
[12:42] <mungbean> few weeks.
[12:42] <ali1234> is skype broken on 12.10 too?
[12:42] <SuperEngineer> popey: recommend it! best played as suggested - darkened room + headphones [though I would recommend keeping a spare brain in the fridge!]
[12:43] <ali1234> !info qtwebkit
[12:44] <ali1234> wat
[12:44] <popey> !info libqtwebkit4
[12:45] <ali1234> why is it 2.2.1?
[12:46] <popey> why not?
[12:46] <popey> thats whats in quantal
[12:46] <ali1234> well shouldn't it be 4.something?
[12:46] <popey> no, separate component
[12:46] <ali1234> libqt4-webkit (1 4:4.7.0~beta1)
[12:47] <popey> built against 4 hence the name being libqtwebkit4 AIUI
[12:47] <ali1234> i also have qtwebkit 2:5.0-1ubuntu29
[12:47] <popey> from a ppa perhaps?
[12:47] <ali1234> probably
[12:48] <popey> there was a package rename happen to allow 4 and 5 to be co-installed
[12:48] <ali1234> we need a proper release between now and the release of ubuntu-touch in which you can develop apps without needing ppas
[12:48] <ali1234> because at the moment it's a mess
[12:50] <mungbean> like a touch devs spin?
[12:56] <ali1234> no not like a spin
[12:56] <popey> a proper release of what?
[12:56] <popey> ubuntu or the qml bits?
[12:56] <ali1234> a proper release of ubuntu
[12:56] <popey> whats wrong with 13.04?
[12:57] <ali1234> which includes the QML bits required to develop mobile apps
[12:57] <ali1234> and which remain stable for 6 months
[12:57] <SuperMatt> how can I make apt think a package isn't installed?
[12:57] <ali1234> well, last time i checked, 13.04 still requires a ppa?
[12:57] <Darael> SuperMatt: Uninstall it?
[12:57] <popey> no
[12:57] <popey> not anymore
[12:57] <ali1234> and that ppa is still highly unstable and quite likely to mess up your system
[12:57] <SuperMatt> well.. that's a problem because it won't uninstall
[12:57] <popey> SuperMatt: what package?
[12:58] <SuperMatt> spotify
[12:58] <ali1234> i see
[12:58] <popey> what happens when you try to?
[12:58] <SuperMatt> basically I trashed my /opt, forgetting spotify was installed in there
[12:59] <popey> you plum
[12:59] <SuperMatt> and now my packages are in an inconsistant state
[12:59] <popey> reinstall it
[12:59] <popey> sudo apt-get install --reinstall spotify
[12:59] <popey> then uninstall it
[12:59] <SuperMatt> trying to, that's not working either
[12:59] <popey> what happens/
[12:59] <SuperMatt> it seems there are pre-removal scripts which are not working because I trashed the data :(
[13:00] <popey> even with reinstall?
[13:00] <popey> pastebin it
[13:00] <SuperMatt> yup
[13:01] <SuperMatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686119/
[13:02] <popey> easy to fix...
[13:02] <popey> just bin /var/lib/dpkg/info/spotify-client.prerm
[13:02] <popey> or edit it and comment out the single line in it
[13:02] <popey> prefarbly the latter
[13:03] <SuperMatt> that's it!
[13:03] <SuperMatt> thanks
[13:16] <ali1234> there's a good tric for that actually
[13:16] <ali1234> you can query the package database for a list of packages that installed files in a directory and then reinstall them
[13:16] <ali1234> i did this when i accidentally deleted /usr/bin
[13:17] <SuperMatt> ouchies!
[13:17] <SuperMatt> at least you didn't remove /usr/sbin, or dpkg and apt would have faaaailed
[13:17] <ali1234> oh they did
[13:18] <ali1234> i had to boot live cd, copy a few missing binaries, and then chroot
[13:18] <SuperMatt> dang!
[13:18] <SuperMatt> I'm always glad I can do this stuff in Linux though
[13:18] <SuperMatt> you'd have to go for a complete reinstall in Windows
[13:20] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/191942/deleted-all-the-files-in-usr-bin-typing-in-rm-rf
[13:20] <penguin42> yeh you can dig really deep holes on Linux - and climb out of them
[13:20] <ali1234> this is totally why i stopped using windows
[13:20] <ali1234> too many reinstalls
[13:20] <ali1234> press wrong button, receive smoke
[13:20] <SuperMatt> I reinstall Ubuntu about once a year
[13:20] <SuperMatt> normally when I upgrade something
[13:21] <ali1234> i reinstall it every 6 months
[13:21] <ali1234> i was reinstalling windows every 2 weeks
[13:21] <SuperMatt> ouch
[13:31] <penguin42> only reinstalls if I change distro or change main disk
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> same here.. or if the installation is messed up somehow
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> which can happen.. after years of running/upgrading/messing
[13:37] <penguin42> it's got to get pretty messed up for me to do that :-)
[15:36]  * SuperEngineer celebrates... what the firm's IT dept has failed to resolve in 2 weeks - I just resolved in 1/2 hour
[15:36]  * SuperEngineer 1 -It dept. 0
[15:38] <brobostigon> ok, any ideas, my machine is getting an ipv6 global addr from radvd, on the router ipv6 forwarding is set in sysctl, and said router can ping an outside ipv6 addr, however said client machine connected to it cant. any ideas.
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> brobostigon: yeah - go have a beer - I'll look into it when you're not at work and can't see what I'm doing ;)
[15:40] <brobostigon> SuperEngineer: haha,
[15:43]  * SuperEngineer takes to bathroom... gotta wash all that filthy Windows 7 from self - it,s making me all itchy
[15:45] <SuperEngineer> ...if *only* I was as good at Linux :(
[15:46] <SuperEngineer> ...but gettin there
[15:47] <brobostigon> :)
[15:53] <Darael> brobostigon: check ip -6 route; see if it's actually picked up the route and not just the address.  Also check that IPv6 forwarding is enabled on the router - I seem to recall it's dropped in iptables by default.
[15:54] <brobostigon> Darael: ip -6 route, on the client?
[15:54] <Darael> brobostigon: Yup.  Just check that it *has* a route via the router.
[15:55] <brobostigon> Darael: ok.
[15:56] <brobostigon> Darael: ok, there we go, yes, missing.
[15:56] <Darael> brobostigon: Well, there are two options:  The quick fix and the reliable fix.
[15:57] <brobostigon> Darael: lets have both, and i will make notes.
[15:57] <diddledan> quick fix, quick fix!
[15:57] <diddledan> :-p
[15:57] <Darael> brobostigon: ip -6 route add default via $routeraddress (or something very close to that; check man ip just in case)
[15:57] <brobostigon> Darael: on the client?
[15:57] <Darael> brobostigon: But for a faster one, there's probably something missing in the router's radvd.conf.
[15:57] <Darael> brobostigon: Yup.
[15:57] <Darael> s/faster/more permanent/
[15:58] <brobostigon> Darael: lets fix radvd, yes.
[15:58] <Darael> I don't even know what happened with that typo
[16:35] <Darael> brobostigon: I'm sorry, I abandoned thee, didn't I?!
[16:35] <brobostigon> Darael: nah, i worked it out, added the ip mentioned in radvd.conf to the actual device it referred to, fixed it.
[16:36] <Darael> brobostigon: Excellent.  Glad to hear it's working now.
[16:36] <brobostigon> Darael: not the ip, but the referring ip, from the start of its subnet.
[16:38] <Darael> brobostigon: Yes, indeed.
[16:38] <brobostigon> Darael: then restarted radvd, and it worked. the forwarding was set correctly, also.
[17:05] <bigcalm> Hi peeps :)
[17:10] <mgdm> o/
[17:12] <bigcalm> Wot ho mgdm
[17:13] <mgdm> how goes it?
[17:14] <bigcalm> Splendidly thanks. Is it the weekend yet?
[17:20] <mgdm> bigcalm: sadly it is almost over
[17:36] <bigcalm> Boo
[17:56] <gebbione> hi, whats the best application to manage an android mobile from ubuntu
[17:56] <gebbione> like music and so on
[17:56] <jacobw> gebbione: Rhythmbox or Banshee
[17:57] <gebbione> rhythmbox just crashes for me
[17:57] <gebbione> banshee i dont see the device
[17:57] <mungbean> is it regular usb device or mtp?
[17:57] <mungbean> i.e. can nautilus see it?
[17:58] <gebbione> i see the samsung android device but right now i cannot mount it
[17:58] <gebbione> clicking on it does not open it
[17:58] <gebbione> it is a samsung s3
[17:58] <DJones> gebbione: Try installing Airdroid on the android device & connect via a web browser
[18:01] <jacobw> gebbione: I have the same experience with Rhythmbox
[18:09] <SuperEngineer> gotta go - bye bye folks
[18:26] <gebbione> after installing airdroid for some reason my usb worked and banshee is fine
[18:56] <zleap> Hi tombrough
[19:49]  * Laney decides he can get a tax refund
[19:49] <Laney> \o/
[19:55] <mgdm> isn't it HMRC that usually make that decision for you? :)
[19:56] <Laney> that's what they want you to think
[20:16] <bigcalm> Just watched last week's Dr Who, was quite fun
[20:27] <mungbean> bigcalm: yesterdays ?
[20:27] <mungbean> yesterdays was worst one ever
[20:28] <bigcalm> mungbean: no, last week's
[20:28] <bigcalm> We've been busy
[20:41] <bigcalm> o.O


[15:29] <martin_> Hi, anyone here can tell me how related or not related is edubuntu and skolelinux?
[16:24] <flubber> hello, does anybody know how to use a belkin wireless n notebook adapter on edubuntu?
[16:27] <johnny_> i wish i had one..
[23:13] <aboo0ood> hi everybody, i was reading in the Edubnutu handbook about the HW requirements for LTSP thin clients. and there was this statement : "For using the default, secure mode of LTSP, one needs to have a 233 MHz or better CPU.".. I want to ask what the secure mode of LTSP is ..
[23:14] <kgoetz> in that the LTSP connections are done over SSH


[02:08] <duflu> RAOF: That ShmBuffer branch has a FTBFS
[02:08] <duflu> BTW
[02:08] <duflu> FYI
[02:08] <RAOF> Yeah, I'll get on to that.
[02:08] <RAOF> I was rather hoping it was just CI being continually broken rather than having to work out how to reproduce it :)
[02:09] <RAOF> If CI is now working, then yay!
[02:11] <duflu> Yeah, I know I'm guilty of repeatedly trying to land things without noticing actual test/build failures are stopping it
[02:12] <RAOF> If CI is consistently working now then I can try to fix it without spinning on spurious failures. (I wasn't able to reproduce the build failure locally, which was annoying)
[02:12] <duflu> The good news is autolanding started working again yesterday within minutes of me deciding to land by hand.
[02:12] <duflu> And then I stopped
[02:13] <duflu> I don't think CI is consistently working though
[02:13] <duflu> At least wasn't last night
[06:28] <duflu> RAOF: This might help you (I've been thinking we might end up using it in Mir anyway): https://github.com/anholt/libepoxy
[06:31] <duflu> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libepoxy
[06:35] <RAOF> duflu: Yeah, I might just use that.
[06:36] <duflu> That would also allow us to swing between GL and GLES I think
[06:36] <duflu> Which some older Intel GPUs seem to want
[06:50] <RAOF> I don't think so? I think we use functionality only found in GLES?
[06:50] <RAOF> It'd make it easier to swing, though.
[06:58] <zzarr> hello!
[06:59] <zzarr> I have my new computer now :-D (at home)
[07:01] <zzarr> duflu, I tried Mir yesterday, but I got a problem, it's confused by the fact that my computer have 2 monitors (one internal on the laptop and one HDMI)
[07:02] <duflu> zzarr: Which Mir server are you running?
[07:02] <duflu> Our demo servers let you configure the multimonitor layout, but I don't think Unity8 has that feature yet(?)
[07:02] <zzarr> duflu, I just installed unity8-desktop-session-mir
[07:02] <duflu> zzarr: Yes, it's not ready for general use
[07:03] <zzarr> duflu, lucky I'm not a general user then :)
[07:03] <zzarr> duflu, I will test it again without the HDMI cable connected
[07:04] <duflu> zzarr: Yes, that's more predictable. The missing feature is:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1401916
[07:04] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1401916 in Ubuntu UX "[desktop] Configuration of screens positions and geometry" [Medium,Triaged]
[07:07] <zzarr> duflu, I know that this question might be as simple to answer as when the first snow will come in the winter (here in Sweden, Gävle), but do you have any idea when it could be fixed?
[07:08] <duflu> zzarr: Some things like multi-monitor, cursors, and window management are all more advanced in Mir itself (without Unity8). So if you want to get involved in Mir itself, remove Unity8 from the equation and build the lp:mir source. Or vice-versa if you want to improve Unity8 you can ask in #ubuntu-unity
[07:09] <zzarr> duflu, thanks
[07:11] <zzarr> duflu, what can I do with a mir-server without unity(8)?
[07:11] <duflu> zzarr: You can hack the code, but it's not a desktop environment :)
[07:12] <zzarr> :)
[07:14] <zzarr> I ask this to get a better understanding for how it works, does an application connect to Mir in a similar way as a X-client to a X-server, but over a unix-socket instead of tcp/ip?
[07:15] <duflu> zzarr: Yes it does
[07:15] <zzarr> that would mean one could remote control a computer with the help of nfs/vpn in theory
[07:21] <zzarr> duflu, is there a document describing the protocol used (I found one for X once, it "told" me bit by bit what was expected and how to respond)
[07:36] <duflu> zzarr: No, the unix-socket only establishes the relationship to the server and then it's essentially shared memory (local machine only). However you can find the protocol information here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/development-branch/files/head:/src/protobuf/
[07:41] <RAOF> Bear in mind that we reserve the right to break protocol at our merest whim.
[07:42] <RAOF> libmirclient is the only supported mechanism for clients to interact with a Mir server. :)
[07:51] <zzarr> thanks duflu
[07:55] <zzarr> duflu, if I made a protocol for remote control (this might be a way to integrate Mir in to crouton/Chrome OS devices) would you be interested (to try it)?
[07:59] <duflu> zzarr: Sorry, already overwhelmed
[07:59] <zzarr> duflu, I understand
[07:59] <zzarr> duflu, well I have to do it first
[08:00] <zzarr> duflu, would a Mir client be a good start? (I meant should I write one as a tutorial)
[08:02] <duflu> zzarr: Yes, the Mir source code has a few under examples/
[08:03] <zzarr> duflu, nice, I'll download that then
[20:24] <strahl> Hi, will be MIR ready for 3d games on Nvidia cards in 16.04 release?
[20:24] <strahl> with official driver, or with nouveau


[02:16] <pleia2> still need several summaries written, if anyone is around
[03:13] <pleia2> moving over what we have now, and adding stats to the wiki
[04:10] <tsimonq2> pleia2: on it
[04:13] <pleia2> thanks :)
[04:16]  * ahoneybun kicks tsimonq2 off
[04:18]  * Unit193 kicks ahoneybun for kicks.
[04:20] <ahoneybun> XD
[04:20] <ahoneybun> that's it I think
[04:21]  * tsimonq2 kicks ahoneybun
[04:21] <tsimonq2> it's all done I think, ahoneybun
[04:21] <tsimonq2> pleia2: ^
[04:21]  * tsimonq2 goes back to fixing qtwebengine-opensource-src to go into Debian
[04:22] <tsimonq2> s/fixing/attempting to fix/ lol :P
[04:22]  * ahoneybun goes back to watching RoosterTeeth
[04:33] <pleia2> tsimonq2: thanks!
[04:33] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue475
[04:33] <pleia2> sending off to editors
[04:34] <ahoneybun>  /j #ubuntu-locoteams
[04:34] <ahoneybun> opps
[04:36] <Unit193> Ooooh, I have to be helpful now.
[04:37] <pleia2> :)
[04:37] <Unit193> ahoneybun: Also, no thanks I'm already there.
[04:37] <Unit193> 'No detected broken link', good to go.
[04:37] <pleia2> thank you
[04:37] <pleia2> I am going to stop computering now, because my brain is done
[04:38] <pleia2> good night
[04:38] <ahoneybun> night
[04:38] <ahoneybun> or morning here lol
[22:08] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 475 for the week July 18 - 24, 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue475
[22:11] <Unit193> Oh good, only failing one is Cloudflaring out, https://player.fm/series/the-full-circle-weekly-news
[22:13] <pleia2> heh, thanks
[22:13] <pleia2> still can't post to the forums, an email is still out to the FC (and via them, Canonical IS) to see what permissions I now lack


[02:16] <holstein> that dude is challenging
[02:17] <astraljava> Yep.
[02:18] <astraljava> But in all fairness, what threw me off the loop was starting vlc with the video device option. I did not find the audio device setting that way at all.
[02:32] <holstein> i hate that "im just going to get a mac" crap
[02:32] <holstein> i mean, you gotta learn to use those too
[02:32] <holstein> its just, when you drop a grand or 2, you tend to become more open to learning
[02:32] <astraljava> Some people just aren't up to it. *shrug*
[02:34] <astraljava> Seems to be trolling, too.
[02:35] <holstein> yeah. for like hours...
[02:35] <holstein> this was going on before my nap
[02:36] <astraljava> Yeah. I'm done. He's all yours.
[02:36] <holstein> i suggested pavucontrol right when the dude came in
[02:36] <holstein> hehe
[02:42] <holstein> i just feel dirty now
[02:43] <holstein> i installed all this crap, and got VLC working...
[02:43] <holstein> whatever
[02:43] <holstein> i learned something, and thats cool
[02:47] <astraljava> I didn't install anything, and still it works. *smirk*
[02:47] <holstein> hehe
[02:48] <holstein> astraljava: i didnt have pulse on this box... or VLC
[02:48] <holstein> it was a lubuntu install
[02:48] <astraljava> Ahh... ok.
[02:58] <len> Installed todays version (Jan26) of the live DVD. ubiquity screen is too large to see the buttons on the bottom... there is already a bug about that
[02:58] <len> I added that it affects me.
[02:59] <len> I played with pulse and jackd... no sound here either... someone already mentioned that. The sound file player plays straight to jack just fine.
[03:01] <holstein> len: i copied that ln after i figured out what you were talking about
[03:01] <astraljava> len: I hope there's a bug for that, too. I know David would be willing to fix it, if he knew about it.
[03:01] <holstein> not that you werent clear... i just didnt get it
[03:01] <holstein> i got no sound from pulse
[03:01] <holstein> but i got sound using JACK
[03:02] <len> Audacious? However, none of the videos ones do. Xine does, but is a pain to setup.
[03:02] <astraljava> Sounds to me there's a problem with the pulse jack module. Can you two file the relevant bug about it?
[03:03] <len> I looked in /usr/share/xgreeters/ in Xubuntu 11.10 and there is no default.desktop there either.
[03:03] <len> But it works.
[03:04] <len> I think someone has added some functionality to lightdm and forgot to tell anyone.
[03:05] <len> The idea being there can be several files for different sessions and default points to the one in use.
[03:06] <len> Do we really need panel two on the bottom?
[03:06] <holstein> i dont like it
[03:06] <holstein> the "dock"
[03:06] <len> it seems to just take up room
[03:06] <holstein> i would like to have no dock, like it used to be
[03:06] <holstein> but, i just dont like docks
[03:06] <len> I can always add apps to the top panel
[03:07] <holstein> i use kupfer
[03:07] <len> foo YC20 drives jack nuts.
[03:07] <len> Has anyone used it ok?
[03:08] <holstein> len: not yet
[03:08] <holstein> something crashed on me
[03:08] <holstein> openshot...
[03:08] <holstein> wouldnt launch
[03:08] <len> If I try to play it with the virt keyboard, I get stuck keys and distorted sound... xruns?
[03:09] <len> Even when not playing it it is always giving jack logging errors.
[03:09] <holstein> interesting
[03:10] <holstein> well... these are the things i can do without.. comon...
[03:10] <holstein> we got time to sort some of that out i hope
[03:11] <len> I don't need it either, but if it is the first thing a new user tries, that would not leave a good taste in their mouth.
[03:11] <len> We don't have rt priv even with audio group
[03:11] <holstein> nah... i like YC20
[03:11] <holstein> len: i think/hope the kernel will do that
[03:11] <holstein> what do you think?
[03:12] <len> I don't know
[03:12] <holstein> len: i would *love* to actually run this stuff
[03:12] <holstein> test it
[03:12] <holstein> pull out whats borked
[03:12] <holstein> get a nice polished finally release for the LTS
[03:12] <holstein> len: i got it loading up today and got *so* excited about it
[03:13] <len> The is a nice organ in there already. But for me the reality is that I would prefer to use external sound modules
[03:14] <len> My machine doesn't really have the poop to run sounds as well as record audio
[03:14] <holstein> len: where are you again?
[03:14] <holstein> anywhere near me?
[03:15] <holstein> im in asheville NC
[03:15] <len> I'm on the wet coast on Vancouver Island
[03:17] <holstein> yeah....
[03:18] <astraljava> holstein: Haha. Ex-wife goes there several times a year on business.
[03:18] <holstein> astraljava: its nice
[03:18] <holstein> we have LUG if you happen to tag along sometimes
[03:18] <astraljava> You missed the ex- there.
[03:18] <holstein> astraljava: yeah... i did...
[03:18] <holstein> sorry about that
[03:19] <astraljava> Hehe. :) No worries.
[03:19] <holstein> will have to fly you in special then ;)
[03:19] <astraljava> True. :)
[03:21] <holstein> ScottL: i have "sound & video" then subgroups "audio/video production"
[03:21] <holstein> thats in 10.04, ubuntustudio
[03:21] <holstein> it looks much the same in xfce, just "multimedia" instead
[03:21] <holstein> is that OK?
[03:21] <holstein> i kind of like it that way
[03:22] <holstein> i find it less disruptive
[03:25] <len> bug #922424
[03:26] <len> has been filed
[03:27] <len> Maybe someone will say, ja you have to put that link in as part of your distro
[03:29] <astraljava> We'll sort that out. Also, the sound not working via pulse to jack. Please file that too. I'm going to pass out now, it's 5:30 am.
[03:43] <len> I tried ... launchpad coughed on me... I'll try again.
[03:54] <ScottL> bug #918519
[03:55] <ScottL> micahg, did you say you were going to upload the above bug?
[03:55] <ScottL> not trying to pressure you, just trying to refresh my memory
[03:55] <micahg> ah, yes, sorry, haven't gotten to piloting yet, it's on my list, will try to do it tomorrow
[03:55] <ScottL> okay :)
[03:58] <ScottL> i'm wondering if this will help clear up the missing '/usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop' issue
[03:59] <ScottL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/816809
[04:00] <ScottL> this suggest that installing lightdm-gtk-greeter fixes the problem
[04:07] <len> With reguard to the pulsejack bug. I have had three or four timeout errors from launchpad.
[04:07] <len> Can someone else try?
[04:12] <len> just as a note lightdm-gtk-greeter is installed in xubuntu 11.10 (which works) but there is still no default.desktop.
[04:13] <len> I will reboot to US 12.04 and see if it is installed there.
[04:32] <len> ScottL: The live DVD install says that lightdm-gtk-greeter is already installed.
[04:34] <len> default.desktop is not listed among the installed file though.
[04:41] <len> I find nothing in the config file(s) that would change the greeters name to default either.
[04:52] <len> the changelog for lightdm-gtk-greeter shows 3 updates to the package on Jan 18th and 19th
[04:52] <len> that would be about the time it stopped working.
[04:53] <len> The changes are to lightdm
[05:03] <len> I was looking at another gtk-greeter bug to do with translations.
[05:03] <len> This comment caught my eye:
[05:04] <len> Sorry Pjotr12345 but nobody is actively working on the gtk greeter (which has been made as an example greeter, the default greeter in Ubuntu is the unity one)
[05:05] <len> So, the gtk-greeter is an example that is not being kept up and it looks like lightdm is moving on without it.
[05:45] <len> Looking at the changelog on jan 18th at 11:10 it shows:
[05:45] <len> * Move the GTK+ and Qt greeters into their own projects
[05:48] <len> Does this mean there is now a maintainer?
[17:11] <scott-work> i think i found the problem with the lightdm stuff...
[17:11] <scott-work> and i should have remembered this previously from something micahg had said
[17:12] <scott-work> we are currently shipping lightdm-greeter-example-gtk in the seeds
[17:12] <scott-work> we should probably be shipping lightdm-gtk-greeter
[17:13] <astraljava> I was looking at the same. Should we have our own customized one?
[17:16] <astraljava> Maybe not, neither does Xubuntu.
[17:17] <astraljava> I'll make the change.
[17:18] <micahg> I'll be uploading the US stuff shortly, so just let me know when it's good
[17:19] <astraljava> micahg: It's up now. Thanks! I copied the same line from Xubuntu's desktop. I suppose that's how it works?
[17:20] <astraljava> Ahh... yeah, what scott-work said.
[17:21] <micahg> umm, where's the stuff I"m supposed to sponsor again?
[17:22] <astraljava> bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.precise/
[17:23] <micahg> no, I know where the seed is :), scott-work had some other stuff for me to sponsor
[17:23] <astraljava> Hehe. Sorry. :)
[17:24] <astraljava> Any idea what that stuff was? I could perhaps dig it up for ya.
[17:25] <micahg> ah, found it, it wasn't showing up in the queue since it's against the ubuntu studio project
[17:25] <astraljava> Oh ok.
[18:19] <scott-work> micahg: uno momento, i shall find it
[18:19] <micahg> scott-work: I found it, it was in backscroll
[18:19] <scott-work> oh, hehe
[18:20] <scott-work> micahg: thank you very much for helping us, it has been a bit of a godsend
[18:20] <scott-work> :)
[18:20] <micahg> sorry it's taken me all week
[18:21] <scott-work> micahg:  i doubt we would have gotten it done otherwise
[18:26] <holstein> w00T!
[18:27] <holstein> i dont care to reinstall to test changes made...
[18:27] <holstein> hmmm... that sounds unclear...
[18:27] <holstein> i *will* reinstall to test changes... let me know
[19:19] <holstein> announcement...
[19:20] <holstein> 14:12 < ochosi> that's why i created elementary-xfce
[19:20] <holstein> 14:12 < holstein> ochosi: nice
[19:20] <holstein> 14:12 < ochosi> which is a fork of elementary, complemented with xfce-specific stuff
[19:20] <holstein> 14:13 < holstein> ochosi: thats in the repos? or going to be?
[19:20] <holstein> 14:13 < holstein> and it would be cool for us to use it?
[19:20] <holstein> 14:13 < ochosi> atm it's part of xubuntu-artwork, but we discussed putting it in a separate package so you (and others) can  use it more easily
[19:21] <holstein> i forget what icons we were planning on using, but these are falling in our lap, and we could help test/develop them
[19:25] <astraljava> Yeah, as soon as they are separated, we could most certainly use them.
[19:26] <holstein> sounds too easy :)
[19:26] <holstein> and i like that!
[19:26] <astraljava> What do you mean?
[19:26] <holstein> astraljava: just that someone else is doing the work
[19:27] <astraljava> We're already using someone else's work anyhow. :)
[19:27] <holstein> coat-tails!
[19:27] <astraljava> Isn't that the beauty of FOSS?
[19:27] <astraljava> You don't have to write _everything_ by yourself. :)
[20:22] <astraljava> ScottL: One thing that occurred to me, are we going to be providing support for upgrading from lucid to precise?
[20:23] <holstein> astraljava: i dont see why we cant
[20:23] <holstein> it should just work right?
[20:23] <holstein> i can try it
[20:23] <holstein> when the time comes
[20:24] <astraljava> holstein: There's quite the transition, from GNOME 2 to Xfce, for instance.
[20:24] <holstein> sure, but that might help actually
[20:24] <holstein> nothing to break config wise
[20:24] <holstein> just new stuff
[20:24] <astraljava> We're still using gconf, though. I'm not sure whether that amounts to anything.
[20:25] <holstein> astraljava: we can only try i supppose
[20:25] <holstein> i would think the settings would not conflict
[20:25] <astraljava> holstein: Yep. I will try it this weekend.
[20:25] <astraljava> But I'm just thinking, that's one aspect that probably accounts to the LTS decision.
[20:26] <astraljava> If we're calling it that, then we probably do _have_ to provide support also for upgrading.
[20:27] <holstein> well, we're not doing anything to break that...
[20:28] <astraljava> Yeah, well, one release to another is troublesome in some cases. This is a much bigger thing that we're talking about, here.
[20:29] <astraljava> IMSNHO, we need to give it a couple of runs, before we can even promise to support it.
[20:44]  * micahg guesses he can't complain about changing the per-user defaults in the -default-settings package since xubuntu does it
[20:45] <micahg> ScottL: why do you have Thunar .po files in the default-settings package?
[20:51] <SLavender> webchat.freenode isn't working right now :(
[20:52] <holstein> yup
[20:52] <holstein> webchat is down :/
[20:52] <micahg> SLavender: why do you have Thunar .po files in the default-settings package?
[20:52] <SLavender> but i don't like this chatzilla client, it's waaaaay too conspicuous for work
[20:52] <SLavender> micahg: it came that way from the xubuntu sources
[20:53] <micahg> SLavender: would you mind if that waited until Monday until I can discuss it with mr_pouit
[20:54] <astraljava> Why would we need them, cause we're using Nautilus, right?
[20:55] <SLavender> micahg: i'm okay with that, no problem
[20:56] <SLavender> but i think i agree with astraljava
[20:56] <micahg> so do I, I just want to be sure :)
[20:56] <micahg> oh, wait, you're not using Thunar at all?
[20:56] <SLavender> micahg: we are including nautilus and using it as default (or should be)
[20:57] <SLavender> micahg: we had previously discussed that i was nervous about pulling thunar out currently because it's so tightly integrated and you suggested just including nautilus for now
[20:58] <astraljava> Oh okay.
[20:58] <micahg> I did?
[20:58] <astraljava> This conversation is confusing.
[20:58] <SLavender> micahg: i believe so ;)  actually, i'm really pretty sure
[21:04] <len> ScottL: I got a reply to my bug report on lightdm. I have forwarded it to the mailing list. It implies that this link is set as part of the theme setup
[21:05] <len> Not that we set the link but that there is a place in the theme stuff that sets what file to look for in xgreeters
[21:07] <len> Zsync is downloading todays ISO. I'll see where things are at.
[21:07] <SLavender> len: i think i had the old and decprecated lightdm greeter in the seeds, astraljava has already fixed it (i believe), and most likely micahg will update it :)
[21:08] <micahg> yeah, will get that up today
[21:08] <len> Ok I will wait till tomorrow to test it.
[21:09] <len> I had the idea it was done for today
[21:09] <micahg> SLavender: I assume you've tested the new packages and they work as intended?
[21:10] <SLavender> micahg: i did build them, but was unsure of the best method to test them to be honest
[21:10] <SLavender> which means that i did not really do a proper test of them, no
[21:10] <astraljava> Ahh... yes, will update the bug status.
[21:10] <micahg> :(, I'd prefer to know they work as intended before uploading
[21:10] <micahg> SLavender: install the packages you built
[21:11] <micahg> reboot and see if everything works as intended
[21:11] <micahg> let me do the meta now since the others need testing
[21:11] <SLavender> obviously doing this on a precise install would be preferable
[21:11] <micahg> umm...yes :), can someone else test them?
[21:12] <len> Send it to me, I'll do a fresh install.
[21:12] <SLavender> my concern was that i was unsure how this would work as an update versus a fresh install from the image
[21:12] <SLavender> i do admit that it sounds kinda stupid now that i type that out
[21:12] <micahg> well, first concern is not to break current installs, then we can fix image issues
[21:13] <SLavender> especially considering that users most likely would be updating from previous version
[21:13] <SLavender> so yes, i should have tested them
[21:13] <micahg> but we're up against the wall for alpha2 as freeze is Monday at 21:00 UTC
[21:13] <SLavender> i can get a precise install tonight, build, and test them in ppa
[21:13] <micahg> ok, no worries, I'll save the other stuff for the weekend, I'll do the meta now
[21:13] <micahg> just ping me when you think they're good
[21:19] <micahg> ok, pushed up 2 packaging changes, 1 each for -default-settings and -look
[21:22] <micahg> do you intend to ship a separate icon theme anymore?  the bzr branch just has a package with a depends?
[21:22] <micahg> it might make sense to just drop the package if elementary is seeded
[21:23] <micahg> keep in mind that xubuntu just switched to elementary-xfce, but we'll probably break that out into a separate package after alpah 2
[21:23] <micahg> *alpha
[21:23] <astraljava> micahg: ochosi was going to separate elementary-xfce as a separate package.
[21:23] <astraljava> Haha.
[21:24] <micahg> right, but I'm wondering if you intend to ever ship your own icons again
[21:24] <micahg> otherwise, we can drop the source and rely on the seed
[21:24] <astraljava> Yeah I don't know, really. I am not up-to-speed with the theming.
[21:25] <micahg> ok, can you find out for me?
[21:27] <astraljava> I will talk to Scott about it, for sure.
[21:48] <micahg> astraljava: the -meta package already has the proper depends on lightdm-gtk-greeter
[21:51] <micahg> ok, uploading the new meta
[21:51] <micahg> umm, wait, why do you need compilation tools in the desktop seed?
[21:52] <micahg> nevermind, xubuntu has it too
[21:53] <astraljava> micahg: I thought you wanted info on icons. Yeah I made the change to desktop seed regarding the greeter already.
[21:53] <micahg> astraljava: no, what I mean is that the error seems to have not been uploaded, the current meta seems to have the proper dependency
[21:54] <astraljava> That's strange.
[21:57] <micahg> ok, uploaded
[21:58] <astraljava> Thanks! I just need to find out the true cause for the X session not starting.
[22:02] <micahg> I go offline in an hour (for about 25 hours), but can upload stuff Sat night
[22:02] <micahg> it might be the lack of the new -default-settings
[22:03] <astraljava> micahg: Ok. Thanks for everything so far! Have a nice hiatus. :)
[22:03] <micahg> heh, just the Sabbath :)
[22:03] <astraljava> Well, hope it's a good one anyway. :)
[23:29] <len> Whoever: Todays Iso has an install problem. Ubiquity crashs part way through.
[23:30] <len> Are chnages made today (for tomorrow) likely to fix this? (should I wait to try that?)
[23:31] <len> Also: I tried both install from boot and install from live. They are both the same.
[23:31] <len> Both have a ubiquity crash.
[23:32] <astraljava> I don't know of any changes that might lead to that, but I'll look into it.
[23:32] <len> Also: The option of having an encrypted drive is gone.
[23:33] <len> ubiquity doesn't seem to support that.
[23:33] <len> It does support encrypted user dir.
[23:36] <len> There was at least one user who felt an encrypted drive was a make or break for them.
[23:39] <len> I don't know if it makes any difference (crash wise) but this is the first time I printed the iso with a persistent file.


[11:55] <bittin> https://youtu.be/mem7_kIG8NM Ubuntu Summit 2023 talks day are starting
[14:09] <bittin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5Sub7bgIc new stream
[14:22] <smoser> o/ anyone willing to take a look at my autopkg tests in lvm PR at https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+git/lvm2/+merge/455141 ?


[12:15] <IdleOne> #endmeeting
[12:15] <IdleOne> Does meetingology always hold +o ?
[14:46] <Mikaela> IdleOne: yes, so it can change topic during meeting and this channel can be +t


[01:17] <guiverc> Bashing-om, spacing is inconsistent on SmartNic (planet) summary  re: "13-15" vs "13 - 15"; should be the same in my view
[01:18] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Agreed - fixing :D
[01:21] <guiverc> Bashing-om, s/minor big fixes/minor bug fixes/ KDE Frameworks 5.107
[01:22] <Bashing-om> fixing :)
[01:22]  * guiverc does like the sound of 'minor big fixes'  ... makes me go MMMM & smile.
[01:26] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ;) We all need something to smile about.
[01:32] <guiverc> read thru complete Bashing-om , looks good with only ^ as comments
[01:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Food deal - appreciate those sharp eyes of yours :D Logging out.
[19:28] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - log checked and no further edits are known -- will start the push soonest.
[19:35] <Bashing-om> UWN: M/L is away - doing the Forums posting next.
[19:58] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forums post done - Re-directs next.
[20:04] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - doing the Discourse posting next.
[20:17] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue791 posted to Discourse - Blog for Mastodon is next up.
[20:38] <Bashing-om> UWN: Mastodon blogged on - pending now is release to the other Social Media.
[23:27] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/06/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-791/
[23:35] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check and looks good :D
[23:35] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om
[23:36]  * guiverc can't access r/ubuntu on reddit.. will have to skip that
[23:36] <guiverc> posted to twitter & telegram
[23:37] <Bashing-om> reddit could be a thing of the past now :(
[23:58] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Open now to the clean/rinse/repeat operation ?