[06:26] <siridhar> My video adapater is "VIA/S3G UniChromeII Graphics (64 MB)". Ubuntu installer chose 'vesa' by default. Is that correct or 's3' or 's3virge'?
[06:27] <bascule> a few i use hrrp://rafb.net/paste
[06:27] <siridhar> FAST: www.pastebin.com
[06:27] <daniels> srid: the most correct driver is 'via', but it's broken in warty, and will be fixed in hoary, the next release due for april 2005
[06:27] <bascule> actually http but there you go :)
[06:27] <FAST> 1 sec
[06:27] <srid> daniels, ?
[06:28] <FAST> http://pastebin.ca/5697
[06:28] <tritium> srid, he meant siridhar, I believe
[06:28] <srid> firefox is loading empty page for some of the sites. do anyone face this problem? how do I fix it?
[06:29] <tritium> FAST, I still see the GLcore error
[06:29] <tritium> FAST, also, did you comment out the "dri" module?
[06:29] <bascule> thing is it goes past it ???!
[06:29] <FAST> no i didnt
[06:30] <tritium> FAST, do that as well
[06:30] <FAST> im just gonna reinstall again   heh...
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> is it better to get daily build of cd images or the array4 ?
[06:30] <tritium> FAST, just try this first
[06:30] <tritium> FAST, reinstall is extreme when you can just remove packages
[06:30] <daniels> srid: er yeah, sorry
[06:30] <srid> anybody know where anjuta2 deb is available?
[06:30] <srid> np
[06:30] <daniels> siridhar: see above
[06:30] <FAST> ok i commented out dri
[06:31] <tritium> FAST, from a v.c. /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:31] <FAST> ok ill try
[06:31] <FAST> brb
[06:31] <tritium> ok
[06:32] <ultrahex> ok
[06:32] <ultrahex> guyz ... i have synaptic package manager failing
[06:32] <srid> oo .. i upgraded hoary and python is missing some modules! ipython returns error saying 'profile' module not found! what is happening?
[06:32] <ultrahex> it says it cant find a file but its there
[06:32] <ultrahex> how would i make it so that i can just download and install the .deb file
[06:35] <defendguin> hmmm install from usb sounds good
[06:35] <defendguin> i wonder if the bios supports it
[06:35] <fsc> shouldn't ubuntu be putting an entry in update-alternatives for ruby so that at least there is a symbolic link ruby to ruby1.8 or whatever?
[06:35] <crimsun> srid: are you referring to Profile from hotshot?
[06:36] <srid> crimsun, i started 'ipython' and it says cannot import 'profile' module
[06:36] <srid> crimsun, i just dist-upgraded my hoary setup
[06:37] <srid> sri@infinity:~ $ dpkg -L python2.4 | grep profile
[06:37] <srid> sri@infinity:~ $
[06:37] <srid> sick!
[06:37] <tritium> daniels, is that a pen in your hand in your hackergotchi?
[06:38] <daniels> tritium: a texta, yes
[06:38] <srid> that's a bug
[06:38] <tritium> daniels, I've always wondered...
[06:39] <R0bNyc> Hello
[06:39] <siridhar> My video adapater is "VIA/S3G UniChromeII Graphics (64 MB)". Ubuntu installer chose 'vesa' by default. Is that correct or 's3' or 's3virge'?
[06:39] <defendguin> how can you tell if a computer is underpowered?
[06:39] <R0bNyc> Is that app that shows up in the systemtray for when theres updates availabe for hoary what is the name of it
[06:39] <crimsun> fsc: that was done in 1.8.1-2
[06:40] <crimsun> fsc: I presume you have 'ruby' and 'ruby1.8' installed from hoary/universe?
[06:40] <fsc> no hoary
[06:40] <tritium> siridhar, daniels had explained that "via" is the correct driver, but it's broken in Warty
[06:40] <fsc> warty
[06:40] <daniels> siridhar: 'via' is correct, but it doesn't work in warty; you need to wait until the next release
[06:40] <R0bNyc> Hoary users please your attention :)
[06:40] <crimsun> fsc: it works fine in hoary.
[06:40] <fsc> crimsun, yeah, that was causing me some angst trying to build ruby-gnome2
[06:40] <crimsun> fsc: (ruby1.8 is in hoary/main)
[06:40] <Ells> Tritium: I got a question for ya. I have a 17 in screen on my toshiba. The resolution is set to only go to 1024. It is capable of going up to 1440X900. Do you know how I can accomplish this.
[06:41] <tritium> R0bNyc, update-notifier
[06:41] <Ells> it would make the print look better
[06:41] <R0bNyc> thanks tr
[06:41] <tritium> yup
[06:41] <R0bNyc> so yea that update-notifier
[06:41] <R0bNyc> notifies me and i update it right through there
[06:41] <siridhar> tritium and daniels, does VIA show up an option in Hoary?
[06:41] <slackd00d> i ordered some ubuntu disks off of the website when they were sending them out for free....and that day someone went through my neighborhood and stole mail from everyone's mailbox's...and my ubuntu cd's were what were stolen from me  =(
[06:41] <daniels> siridhar: yes, and it should be done by default
[06:42] <wnaLinux> hi
[06:42] <Ells> Tritium: any ideas
[06:42] <tritium> Ells, you're on Hoary?  Warty?
[06:42] <Ells> Warty
[06:42] <lemonade> what's the preferred way to use the mouse in textmode on ubuntu (hoary)?  Install gpm?
[06:42] <siridhar> okay cool. I downloaded hoary .iso and burnt it using Alcohol 120% at 40x speed but the installer said the CD is corrupt or something
[06:42] <wnaLinux> 40x is to high
[06:43] <tritium> Ells, does your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 not list higher resolutions?  Do the refresh rates look correct?
[06:43] <tritium> (if they're listed)
[06:43] <ultrahex> anyone know the command to start apache2 on linux
[06:43] <Ells> Tritium, the rates only go up to 1024 throught the resolution tool
[06:43] <Ells> I can check  etc
[06:43] <bascule> ultrahex: httpd2
[06:44] <tritium> ultrahex, it would be /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[06:44] <ultrahex> whoa you people are fast
[06:44] <ultrahex> lol
[06:44] <tritium> ultrahex, chech for apache* in /etc/init.d.  I may have the filename wrong
[06:44] <bascule> yeah use the init.d things
[06:44] <lemonade> how do I make the mouse work in text mode?
[06:45] <wnaLinux> lemonade is that possible?
[06:45] <tritium> Ells, you can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and include higher resolutions when asked
[06:45] <ultrahex> hmmmm no listening sockets available
[06:45] <tritium> lemonade, gpm
[06:45] <Ells> Tritium: cool will try
[06:45] <ultrahex> tritium: why can i bind to address port 80?
[06:45] <lemonade> gpm won't screw up X at all?  Cuz in earlier debian versions it kinda did
[06:46] <tritium> lemonade, I don't know.  Haven't used gpm in years
[06:46] <Amaranth> ultrahex: You need to run it as root to use a port that low.
[06:46] <lemonade> it's fun though.  heheh.  I'll try it
[06:46] <Amaranth> ultrahex: iirc all ports under 1024 require root access
[06:46] <ultrahex> Amanrath: yes i understand ... but i was doing sudo ...
[06:46] <fsc> so should i just change my respositories and dist-upgrade to hoary?
[06:46] <Amaranth> ultrahex: oh
[06:47] <tritium> ultrahex, so the init script is failing?
[06:47] <ultrahex> yes
[06:47] <ultrahex> i suppose
[06:47] <tritium> what do you mean?
[06:47] <ultrahex> i mean its giving an error
[06:48] <ultrahex> that it cant bind to adress no listening sockets available
[06:48] <ultrahex> unable to open logs
[06:48] <siridhar> tritium: do you happen to know how can I check if installation CD is okay or not at the very first step itself during ubuntu installation?
[06:48] <Ells> Tritium: I did it, but it did not ask for any resolutions
[06:48] <Ells> Tritium: it did let me fix my memory for the card though
[06:48] <siridhar> I realized that only if the CD is corrupt, can I see the list of various steps during installation in which one is the CD check
[06:48] <siridhar> but how do I go to that step initially
[06:48] <tritium> Ells, you can always edit the config file yourself.
[06:49] <tritium> siridhar, you can check the md5sum
[06:49] <lemonade> =\  installed the package but don't see any change.  Do I have to configure it myself or what?
[06:49] <Ells> Tritium: can you walk me thru that
[06:49] <bubba> is firefox 1.0 available for warty yet?
[06:49] <wnaLinux> yes bubba is is
[06:49] <siridhar> tritium: even if the md5sum is correct since I burnt the CD at higher speed, it got corrupted
[06:49] <wnaLinux> just issue these commands
[06:50] <bubba> ok
[06:50] <siridhar> now I am burning at 8X and want to make sure by the installer itself
[06:50] <siridhar> is that possible>?
[06:50] <wnaLinux> sudo apt-get update
[06:50] <wnaLinux> sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:50] <wnaLinux> that should update firefox
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> is it better to get daily build of cd images or the array4 ?
[06:50] <fsc> so are a lot of people using hoary now.  I don't really have a reason to upgrade unless it won't break anything
[06:50] <tritium> siridhar, I don't recall.
[06:50] <wnaLinux> got it bubba?
[06:50] <bubba> working on it
[06:51] <siridhar> k
[06:51] <tritium> Ells, yes
[06:51] <wnaLinux> ok, cool
[06:51] <bubba> didn't know it was in the repository though hang on
[06:51] <wnaLinux> k
[06:51] <Ells> Tritium: cool
[06:51] <tritium> Ells, /msg me again
[06:51] <Ells> got iy
[06:51] <Ells> it
[06:51] <lunitik> Anyone know of a fix for the 'E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) / E: Unable to lock the download directory' bug?
[06:51] <lemonade> =[  how do I make gpm work?
[06:52] <wnaLinux> bubba, you checking through synaptic?
[06:52] <lemonade> lunitik: either be root when using apt-get or don't use two instances at the same time
[06:52] <bubba> running yoru command right now
[06:52] <bubba> i had done this before
[06:52] <wnaLinux> ahh
[06:52] <wnaLinux> ok
[06:52] <bubba> but wanting to see if it upgrades it this time
[06:52] <wnaLinux> well
[06:52] <bubba> i don't think 1.0 is supported yet so i was told beofre when i asked they said april
[06:52] <wnaLinux> it could also be that
[06:52] <lunitik> lemonade: no instances of synaptic/aptitude/apt ... using sudo itself, and sudo -s, and sudo -l
[06:52] <bubba> but can't you pin it from warty
[06:52] <bubba> err
[06:53] <bubba> hoary
[06:53] <bubba> much like you do mplayer?
[06:53] <wnaLinux> im sorry?
[06:53] <bubba> you know how mplayer doesn't install right
[06:53] <bubba> and you have to pin it from hoary
[06:53] <wnaLinux> I guess. . . go on . . .
[06:53] <lemonade> lunitik: does it do this on a fresh startup?  you might have to kill things
[06:53] <bubba> well i was wondering if it might work that way
[06:53] <lunitik> lemonade: I have killed all that pertain to it.
[06:53] <lemonade> hm, then I dunno
[06:53] <wnaLinux> no I dont think so
[06:54] <lunitik> lemonade: I could have told you that.
[06:54] <wnaLinux> the only thing I did was
[06:54] <wnaLinux> add extra repositories from www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:54] <wnaLinux> and then issue those commands I gave you
[06:54] <bubba> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty/view?searchterm=mplayer
[06:54] <bubba> ok let me try that
[06:54] <bubba> what you just posted
[06:54] <wnaLinux> yeah
[06:55] <wnaLinux> ok
[06:55] <wnaLinux> It is?
[06:55] <wnaLinux> I havent checked recentlu
[06:55] <wnaLinux> recently*
[06:55] <lunitik> wnaLinux: should be, yes
[06:56] <rubixXx> does anyone have the win32codecs package
[06:56] <rubixXx> apt-get can't find it
[06:56] <goldfish> should do
[06:56] <goldfish> i got it from apt-get
[06:56] <goldfish> w32codecs
[06:56] <goldfish> i think it's called
[06:56] <wnaLinux> you half to add the extra repositories
[06:57] <rubixXx> extra reps?
[06:57] <wnaLinux> from www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:57] <wnaLinux> yes rubixx
[06:57] <wnaLinux> you half to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:58] <wnaLinux> bubba, any progress?
[06:58] <lunitik> rubix_: w32codecs is in Christians repo... I wouldn't use it though, is only the 'essential' codecs, the 'all' collection offeres, for example, wmv support - which essential doesn't.
[06:58] <Ashen> hokay... does anyone have any experience with ubantu warty on AMD64 that can give us a hand?
[06:59] <bubba> yeah checking against the list brb in a sec
[06:59] <lunitik> You can find it in tar.gz form on mplayers site
[06:59] <bob2> er, w32codecs includes wmv support.
[06:59] <wnaLinux> k
[06:59] <rubixXx> wna apt-cache search win32codecs
[06:59] <lunitik> bob2: doesn't work here with w32codecs...
[06:59] <bob2> works fine for me
[06:59] <rubixXx> wait
[06:59] <rubixXx> i forgot to update
[06:59] <wnaLinux> yeah
[06:59] <wnaLinux> sudo apt-get updater
[07:00] <wnaLinux> sudo apt-get update
[07:00] <rubixXx> sudo is a much more insecure way of doing things
[07:00] <bob2> it's really not
[07:00] <wnaLinux> nah
[07:00] <Ashen> ubuntu installs, downloads all the latest security patches, opens gnome, and then x hangs, somewhere between the login screen first appearing and the actual desktop loading bar appearing after you log in.
[07:00] <tritium> rubixXx, no
[07:01] <goldfish> Ashen: nvidia card?
[07:01] <rubixXx> ashen, clt alt f1 then kill the xserver
[07:01] <Ashen> goldfish: yup
[07:01] <rubixXx> run apt-get update-dist
[07:01] <goldfish> i had the same problem
[07:01] <goldfish> u need the nvidia drivers
[07:01] <goldfish> yep what rubixXx said
[07:01] <Ashen> mmm. I tried to install them... and... uh... they hate me.
[07:01] <rubixXx> then apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:01] <rubixXx> nvidia-glx-enable
[07:02] <tritium> Ashen, make sure you have linux-restricted-modules that match your kernel
[07:02] <Ashen> k.
[07:02] <bob2> I really doubt that's the problem
[07:02] <wnaLinux> to be safe I would also check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to see if it detected
[07:02] <wnaLinux> your video card correctly
[07:02] <Ashen> it did.
[07:02] <wnaLinux> ok, good
[07:03] <wnaLinux> then installing the drivers should be cake
[07:03] <rubixXx> can someone please see what source the win32codecs come from or dcc me the deb
[07:03] <rubixXx> my apt-get sources can't find it for anything
[07:03] <lunitik> rubix_: from marillats sources.
[07:03] <wnaLinux> yeah
[07:03] <bob2> rubixXx: it's in marillat's repository
[07:03] <wnaLinux> marillats
[07:04] <crimsun> rubixXx: 'w32codecs'
[07:04] <Ashen> I've got no experience with deb dists.
[07:04] <Ashen> :p
[07:04] <wnaLinux> no proiblem
[07:04] <wnaLinux> no problem
[07:04] <mpq> I just got a USB hub
[07:04] <mpq> the ports are too close together
[07:05] <tritium> mpq, sorry, there's no "apt-get install more space" :(
[07:05] <mpq> lol
[07:05] <fsc> so are most people in here running hoary?
[07:05] <mpq> I'm not
[07:05] <wnaLinux> lol
[07:05] <wnaLinux> nether am I
[07:05] <tritium> I am
[07:05] <mpq> I got a USB 2.0 4 port hub for $20
[07:05] <ultrahex> is there something similiar to CTRL+ALT+DELTE FOR Linux?
[07:05] <lunitik> fsc: many are... some aren't.
[07:05] <Xappe> me too
[07:05] <wnaLinux> I wouldnt recommend it ether
[07:05] <tritium> I would
[07:05] <fsc> neither am I.  warty is pretty damn good for me
[07:06] <mpq> but the ports are too close together so I can only plug in two devices at the same time
[07:06] <fsc> i'll wait for a final release
[07:06] <tritium> how many do you have?
[07:06] <rubixXx> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[07:06] <bob2> ultrahex: to do what?
[07:06] <wnaLinux> tritium: is it even stable?
[07:06] <bubba> yeah some o the resps i didn't have added
[07:06] <bob2> rubixXx: dude, paste your sources.list to #flood
[07:06] <rubixXx> can someone PLEASE just dcc me the file
[07:06] <rubixXx> ok
[07:06] <tritium> rubixXx, ubuntuguide.org for the marillat repo
[07:06] <wnaLinux> you get it now bubba?
[07:06] <tritium> wnaLinux, it has been fine
[07:07] <wnaLinux> tritium: wow, really?
[07:07] <tritium> wnaLinux, but I've been running debian unstable with experimental stuff too for years
[07:07] <wnaLinux> yeah
[07:07] <tritium> so I'm used to occasional issues
[07:07] <wnaLinux> ubuntu based on sid
[07:07] <tritium> yep
[07:08] <bubba> running update and upgrade now after i got the new resps
[07:08] <Xappe> i've been running windows for several years, so i'm used to having a big bug as my os
[07:08] <mpq> I am so bored
[07:08] <bubba> 27 upgrades so possible
[07:08] <tritium> Xappe, heh
[07:08] <bob2> rubixXx: http://wiki.canonical.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:08] <mpq> I plugged the wireless mouse receiver into a USB extension cord that I plugged into another computer
[07:08] <bubba> yeah its in there
[07:08] <bubba> its installing it now
[07:08] <bascule> mpq: reverse engineer DirectX for us
[07:08] <goldfish> rofl
[07:09] <mpq> now I'm controlling the cursor on another computer from six feet away
[07:09] <wnaLinux> great
[07:09] <wnaLinux> avtually
[07:09] <wnaLinux> actually
[07:09] <Xappe> off@work
[07:09] <wnaLinux> everything should work great
[07:09] <rubixXx> bob2, i need a user/pass
[07:09] <bubba> should is a magic word around here
[07:09] <bascule> enjoy ..working Saturday sux
[07:09] <rubixXx> bob2, do i need to get some kind of account
[07:09] <wnaLinux> I havent had a problem
[07:09] <mpq> shit
[07:09] <mpq> the hub doesn't work right
[07:09] <wnaLinux> ever since I updraded
[07:09] <bubba> i should be screwing britney spears
[07:10] <bubba> but i'm not
[07:10] <bubba> :)
[07:10] <bob2> rubixXx: no, you do not
[07:10] <mpq> I knew it was too good a price
[07:10] <bubba> well we will see
[07:10] <rubixXx> well its asking for a pw
[07:10] <mpq> $20 for a 4 port usb 2.0 hub?
[07:10] <bubba> i thnk flash will notn work on me as it did before
[07:10] <mpq> I hope I can return it
[07:10] <bubba> and java
[07:10] <bob2> rubixXx: no, it's not
[07:10] <bob2> bah
[07:10] <bob2> rubixXx: sorry
[07:10] <bob2> rubixXx: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:11] <wnaLinux> why is that?
[07:11] <bubba> why is what or are you talking to me
[07:11] <rubixXx> bob what do you mean marilliat's rep
[07:11] <bob2> blah, nevermind then
[07:11] <wnaLinux> im talking to you
[07:12] <bubba> i might hve done it wrong though
[07:12] <wnaLinux> bubba
[07:12] <bob2> just follow the random incorrect instructions other people are giving you
[07:12] <bubba> cause i took and downoaded the firefox deb manually from the backport
[07:12] <bubba> and then ran it
[07:12] <wnaLinux> . . .
[07:12] <bubba> maybe this will work
[07:12] <wnaLinux> apt-get upgrade didnt work?
[07:12] <tritium> rubixXx, did you read ubuntuguide.org?
[07:12] <bubba> like i stated i'm doing it now
[07:12] <bubba> i'm talking about hte old way
[07:12] <wnaLinux> ahh
[07:13] <dash> Hi. I'm installing ubuntu on a new machine: is the warty install disc still the one i want to use?
[07:13] <bubba> i changed it 1.0 the old way or my way
[07:13] <mpq> I'd think so
[07:13] <bubba> and i lost java and flash even though the symbolic links were still there
[07:13] <lunitik> dash: not a bad choice.
[07:13] <mpq> dash: I don't see why it wouldn't be
[07:13] <rubixXx> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[07:13] <wnaLinux> you removed the older package from the debian backport right?
[07:13] <rubixXx> tritium, yes i did, and it didn't tell me anything other then apt-getting it
[07:13] <dash> mpq: okay, just making sure i'm not missing anything :)
[07:13] <rubixXx> is that source right?
[07:13] <bubba> yeah i removed the old and installed the new
[07:13] <wnaLinux> k
[07:14] <bubba> it didn't work so i removed purged it
[07:14] <tritium> rubixXx, did you apt-get update after adding that repo to your list?
[07:14] <bubba> and went back to .99
[07:14] <wnaLinux> yeah
[07:14] <bubba> now dooidn gthe upgrade
[07:14] <tritium> rubixXx, yes, it's correct
[07:14] <bubba> so gonan see if it works
[07:14] <rubixXx> yea i did
[07:14] <Ashen> is ubuntu natively support ntfs?
[07:14] <bubba> sorry for the typos i'm in bed on lappy haha
[07:14] <wnaLinux> yes ashen
[07:14] <crimsun> Ashen: yes, in read-only.
[07:14] <Ashen> (btw, the graphics thing fixed it)
[07:14] <wnaLinux> it does
[07:14] <Ashen> cool.
[07:14] <sig_ubuntu> bubba: you sound as lazy as me
[07:15] <wnaLinux> bubba: its cool I type slow n e ways
[07:15] <mpq> how do I read an ntfs partition?
[07:15] <defendguin> hey im going to try to do a usb install and im setting up the bios to boot from usb but when im picking the boot devices in the bios there is an option for usb-fdd  what is this?
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> mpg, sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> then sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda (nfts partition) /mnt/windows
[07:16] <wnaLinux> mpq: check this url:http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows it has all the stuff you need
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> replace /dev/hda with actual nfts patition
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> wnaLinux: lol
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> just a few days ago, we were kidding about mpg, and look how far he's come
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> wow
[07:17] <mpq> yeah, thanks
[07:17] <mpq> it's Q by the way
[07:17] <mpq> not g
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> really.. thanks
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> i forget
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> tire
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> d
[07:17] <bubba> sig_ubuntu, don't tell anyone
[07:17] <bubba> haha
[07:17] <mpq> it said I don't have permission to access the partition
[07:17] <bubba> i'm a computer junky i eat sleep and breath pcs
[07:18] <mpq> you breathe pcs?
[07:18] <mpq> is that safe?
[07:18] <wnaLinux> heh, you sound like me
[07:18] <bubba> breed i mean
[07:18] <bubba> and no its not safe
[07:18] <bubba> i'm sick i need help
[07:18] <mpq> that makes less sense than breathe
[07:18] <mpq> breed? as in you sleep with computers?
[07:18] <bubba> porn man porn gotta have porn
[07:18] <bubba> yes my girlfriends last name is .jpg
[07:18] <wnaLinux> heh
[07:18] <wnaLinux> lmao
[07:18] <nomasteryoda> mpq, make sure you do it using "sudo"
[07:18] <defendguin> ummm
[07:19] <defendguin> help
[07:19] <mpq> I did
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> so you have the directory?
[07:19] <wnaLinux> defendguin: whats wrong?
[07:19] <bubba> and wna you have a good flash page to test this thing
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> /mnt/windows?
[07:19] <tritium> mpq, yeah, you've come a long way.  way to go, dude
[07:19] <bubba> it seems to have worked flowgo is working sor far
[07:19] <mpq> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "windows".
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:20] <wnaLinux> bubba: try www.flash.com
[07:20] <bubba> ok
[07:20] <mpq> could it have something to do with options set while in windows?
[07:20] <bubba> java works
[07:20] <bubba> let me try flash
[07:20] <wnaLinux> ok good
[07:20] <nomasteryoda> mpq, er if you setup encryption or dynamic drives
[07:20] <nomasteryoda> yea, but plain old ntfs, it will read
[07:21] <mpq> I don't know how to do that, so I don't think that's it
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> mpq, i always open the root term
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> inal
[07:21] <bubba> yeah its working good deal
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> so i can type the commands without sudo
[07:21] <bubba> now yo uwanna nother challenge?
[07:21] <wnaLinux> yeah man glad I could help
[07:21] <wnaLinux> sure
[07:21] <bubba> merge my sounds sliders so i have a master control
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> mount -t ntfs /dev/NTFSPARTITION
[07:21] <bubba> instead of having to change half of the sound with pcm-2
[07:21] <mpq> who here uses both firefox and xchat?
[07:21] <bubba> and the other with mono master
[07:22] <geppy> What package provides esddsp?
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> /mnt/windows
[07:22] <defendguin> wnaLinux, i wanted to install from a usb
[07:22] <tritium> mpq, me
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> me
[07:22] <bubba> i do mpq
[07:22] <mpq> ok
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> love them
[07:22] <crimsun> geppy: esound-clients
[07:22] <mpq> I can't get irc commands in firefox to run in xchat
[07:22] <geppy> crimsun: danke
[07:22] <mpq> as in, type in an irc server and channel
[07:22] <dash> I'm wanting to put my root fs on an LVM partition. am i crazy? :)
[07:22] <bubba> anyone use bittornado?
[07:22] <dash> "logical volume", i mean.
[07:22] <wnaLinux> defendguin: sorry man I have never done that b4
[07:22] <mpq> how do I get firefox to run irc commands in xchat?
[07:22] <defendguin> wnaLinux, i was setting up the bios and i was wonder what usb device i should set as a boot option and i saw usb-fdd
[07:23] <dash> i've got a separate /boot partition, of course
[07:23] <defendguin> not sure what that is
[07:23] <bubba> wna you gotta clue on that one?
[07:23] <wnaLinux> hmm
[07:23] <wnaLinux> nah I dont
[07:23] <bubba> why part of my sound is pcm-2
[07:24] <bubba> and the other part is mono master
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> mpq, i would be sure there is an extension for that
[07:24] <wnaLinux> yeah thats a bit odd
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> mayb Linkification
[07:24] <mpq> yeah, it's called chatzilla
[07:24] <mpq> but I don't want to use that
[07:24] <bubba> i can't kill the sound totally
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> er, nope
[07:24] <bubba> i either get a guy moaning or a girl
[07:24] <bubba> soi choose the girl :)
[07:24] <mpq> I bookmarked irc channels so I could open them easily
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> you can use an extension to make firefox open using the program of your choosing
[07:24] <wnaLinux> bubba: you running this on a laptop?
[07:25] <bubba> yeah
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> mpq, i add them to my server list in xchat
[07:25] <kivinen> hey, i'm installing MPlayer, and i ran "make install" and it's been like 15 minutes and its still at cc -I../libvo -I../../libvo -I/usr/X11R6/include -fno-PIC -O4 -march=pentium3 -mcpu=pentium3 -pipe -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -D_REENTRANT -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -DHAVE_AV_CONFIG_H -I..  IT MOVED!
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> mpq, xchat is quite a piece of work
[07:26] <wnaLinux> well whats your controller for your sound (if u dont know try "sudo lspci")
[07:26] <mpq> so far it's my favorite irc client
[07:27] <mpq> here's another question
[07:27] <bubba> the controller i'm not sure i think its sigmetal let me make sure
[07:27] <wnaLinux> k
[07:27] <mpq> I'm on a laptop, is there a way to get the volume buttons to work in linux?
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> i tired kopete, konversation, epic, chatzilla, bitchx
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> xchat is tops
[07:27] <mpq> mirc sucks
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> mpq, ther surely has to be a way
[07:27] <bubba> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[07:27] <goldfish> mpq: desktop prefernces > keyboard shortcuts
[07:28] <goldfish> irssi
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> i have my keyboard here on the desktop working
[07:28] <goldfish> tbh
[07:28] <wnaLinux> ok
[07:28] <bob2> irssi-text is by far the best.
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> it has lots of extra buttons that work
[07:28] <mpq> thanks goldfish
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> volume, ffwd, etc.
[07:28] <bubba> if you have any idea i'm open ears
[07:28] <mpq> that was easy
[07:28] <wnaLinux> k
[07:28] <wnaLinux> one sec
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> bubba, you might need the intel drivers for that
[07:28] <bubba> ok
[07:28] <wnaLinux> im trying somehting
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> look at the intel site
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> i saw a posting last night about that same issue.. i think
[07:29] <bubba> about the slider issue?
[07:29] <defendguin> does any one know where i can get a usb boot image for array-4?
[07:29] <bubba> if you can find it that would be great
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> bubba, what brand of laptop
[07:29] <bubba> cause here is what i see in volum control
[07:29] <bubba> dell inspiron 9100
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> ah, i have troubles with mine too
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> brightness works fine
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> most other Fn keys suck
[07:30] <bubba> yeah tv out i ahve yet to get work
[07:30] <bubba> everythign else works though
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> bubba, tv out would be an xf86 function
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> cool
[07:30] <mpq> I just set "run terminal" to f10... let's see if I can just used to doing that
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> i have a D505 Latitude
[07:30] <wnaLinux> yeah bubba the best I can think of at the moment is compiling the alsa driver yourself
[07:31] <bubba> been there done that
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> got 1400x1050 screen resolution working on suse
[07:31] <wnaLinux> hmm
[07:31] <defendguin> uggg
[07:31] <wnaLinux> no results from that bubba?
[07:31] <bubba> i have the latest alsa drivers installed
[07:31] <wnaLinux> hmm
[07:31] <bubba> let me explain what i have
[07:31] <wnaLinux> k
[07:31] <bubba> to get a clear picture
[07:31] <tritium> bubba, what video chipset?
[07:31] <bubba> sigmatel i think
[07:32] <tritium> oh...
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> in a dell? odd intel i855
[07:32] <bubba> at least thats what dell says
[07:32] <mpq> I need help enabling my wireless network card
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> mine is i855
[07:32] <crimsun> (sigmatel? for video?)
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> mpq, the ndiswrapper issue huh?
[07:32] <bubba> i have ati for video
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> good
[07:32] <mpq> ...I forgot what ndiswrapper is...
[07:32] <bubba> but anyway
[07:32] <bubba> on the sound controls
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> mpq, just go to http://ndiswrapper.sf.net
[07:33] <bubba> i have sigmatel stac9750/51 oss mixer
[07:33] <bubba> and the only slider that works on there is pcm-2
[07:33] <crimsun> bubba: hoary?
[07:33] <defendguin> hmmm i need a usb image
[07:33] <bubba> no warty
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> bubba, did you look at the alsamixer?
[07:33] <bubba> yeah
[07:33] <bubba> only thing that works on it is mono master
[07:33] <defendguin> anyone know where i can get a usb array-4 image
[07:33] <bubba> two seperate volums
[07:34] <bubba> i have intel ich5 alsa mixer
[07:34] <wnaLinux> bubba: I think I will leavbe this issue to yoda
[07:34] <bubba> and the slider for mono changes the small speakers
[07:34] <nomasteryoda> i'll try
[07:34] <defendguin> jdub, you around?
[07:34] <bubba> and the sigmatel one changes the subwoofer
[07:34] <bubba> hope you understand i can make a screenshot if needed
[07:34] <crimsun> something doesn't make sense, bubba. Do you have an sblive _and_ an onboard one?
[07:35] <bubba> all i know on this lappy is its a sigmatel according to the dell specs
[07:35] <mpq> I forgot how to use universe
[07:35] <crimsun> bubba: laptop or desktop?
[07:35] <bubba> ;)
[07:36] <bubba> lappy = laptop
[07:36] <mpq> I have to enable it or something but I don't know how
[07:36] <nomasteryoda> mpq, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:36] <nomasteryoda> look at the wiki on ubuntulinux site
[07:36] <nomasteryoda> google... remember that little thing?
[07:36] <bubba> i can go to dells site and tell you exactly whts in here but its sigmatel according to the specs
[07:37] <crimsun> bubba: paste ,,amixer'' output to pastebin.ca
[07:37] <net_benjo> hello....can anybody help me with PRINTING in ubuntu???
[07:38] <bubba> ok hang on
[07:38] <mpq> I forgot how to edit the source file
[07:38] <mpq> what do I run?
[07:38] <tritium> good night folks
[07:38] <rintrah> mpq, if you prefer gui's to editing the sources you could use synaptic and simply *click* the repository "on" and refresh
[07:38] <bubba> pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:38] <mpq> I'm used to the command line
[07:38] <rintrah> mpq, to edit the source file, you open an editor and edit the file
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> mpq, make sure to use root terminal ... or sudo
[07:39] <rintrah> it should be commented out
[07:39] <mpq> I remembered the command... nano
[07:39] <bubba> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/5700
[07:39] <net_benjo> anybody can help me with printing?  no one?
[07:39] <rintrah> printing?
[07:40] <net_benjo> rintrah: yes printing..
[07:40] <defendguin> ugggg
[07:40] <rintrah> what is the problem?
[07:40] <crimsun> bubba: when you say only pcm-2 works, do you mean that you haven't scrolled right in alsamixer?
[07:40] <defendguin> is there or is there not a way to do an install from a usb key
[07:40] <net_benjo> my printer (canon iP4000) is not in the list of printers when i go to add it..
[07:40] <bubba> i mean the onlys lider that has effect on sound is pcm-2
[07:40] <defendguin> i thought i read that in the hoary goals
[07:41] <defendguin> and it said donw
[07:41] <defendguin> done
[07:41] <bubba> in sigmetal
[07:41] <bubba> and only slider in alsa that controls sound is mono master
[07:41] <bubba> all other sliders have no effect
[07:41] <net_benjo> i've just tried installing the turboprint drivers...but you have to pay to get the full licence..
[07:42] <crimsun> bubba: your PCM sliders are set at 0.
[07:42] <bubba> yeah cause i have the volume down
[07:42] <bubba> what i was getting at is master control doesn't work
[07:42] <mpq> I just installed the wireless driver... I think...
[07:42] <bubba> let me make some screen shots show you what i'm talking about
[07:43] <crimsun> bubba: not necessary, I can see that from your amixer output.
[07:43] <rintrah> net_benjo, sorry, i do not know anything about canon printers.
[07:43] <bubba> ok
[07:43] <bubba> pcm-2 is down low
[07:43] <rintrah> is there a driver you can download from canon?
[07:43] <bubba> that controls my subwoofer
[07:43] <bubba> if i raise it up i get full sound on those speakers
[07:44] <bubba> then i have to go to alsa mixer and raise mono up
[07:44] <bubba> to get the other speakers
[07:44] <bubba> but nothign is centralized
[07:44] <mpq> oh, it's too much of a hassle to try to use the wireless card
[07:44] <bubba> as in no master control
[07:44] <net_benjo> rintrah: thanks anyways...i'll try the forums...
[07:44] <mpq> it's faster wired anyway
[07:45] <rintrah> try googleing - "canon ip4000" driver
[07:45] <crimsun> bubba: and what happens with, say, ,,amixer sset Master 29''?
[07:45] <nomasteryoda> rintrah: have you tried a lower numbered model?
[07:45] <bubba> haven't tried let me see
[07:45] <Wammy> has anyone made a boot floppy?
[07:45] <nomasteryoda> mpq, not really
[07:46] <mpq> I'm not going to bother
[07:46] <Wammy> my bios is being stupid and skips cd on boot.
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> mpq, that was  in reference to the wireless
[07:46] <mpq> it's easier just to use the wired connection
[07:46] <rintrah> nomasteryoda: it was net_benjo that needed help, but thanks
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> mpq, you'll get there
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:46] <mpq> I don't even know where the HP installer put the driver
[07:46] <bubba> crimsun go to flood please
[07:46] <bubba> and ill paste the results
[07:47] <trigger_my_passi> hi, someone here said earlier that hoary supports VIA chipset graphic cards. But it isn't. My Ubuntu's GDM wouldn't start
[07:47] <defendguin> frick
[07:47] <crimsun> bubba: now play something.
[07:48] <bubba> ok
[07:48] <bubba> i'm playign xmms stream
[07:48] <bubba> same thing mono controls sound
[07:48] <bubba> as does pcm-2
[07:48] <bubba> nothign else
[07:49] <crimsun> use amixer to control the volume/
[07:49] <crimsun> ?
[07:49] <bubba> let me try
[07:49] <bubba> i was using the gui volume control
[07:49] <bubba> under alsamixer
[07:49] <bubba> only mono master
[07:50] <bubba> does gstreamer have any effect at all
[07:50] <bubba> cause i currently have it set to esd
[07:50] <crimsun> bubba: Volume Control is gstreamer-properties.
[07:50] <bubba> i can't get it to use alsa
[07:50] <crimsun> bubba: esd is fine
[07:50] <defendguin> is array 4 very useable?
[07:50] <bubba> ok
[07:50] <bubba> well same effect
[07:50] <bubba> :(
[07:51] <bubba> thanks for your help by the way
[07:51] <nomasteryoda> mpq: try this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/searchwiki?expr=ndiswrapper&submit=Search
[07:51] <crimsun> bubba: my suggestion would be to consider trying array 4
[07:51] <mpq> I already tried
[07:52] <mpq> I don't care enough to bother with it
[07:52] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:52] <bubba> ok how you do that sorry im still a nub
[07:52] <nomasteryoda> i thought i did not either, but since i got it working... i'm loving it
[07:52] <nomasteryoda> go to the local wireless cafe... hotels, etc.
[07:52] <crimsun> bubba: iso image in the topic url
[07:52] <nomasteryoda> tis nice
[07:52] <mpq> I guess you got a point there
[07:52] <nomasteryoda> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[07:53] <mpq> except I don't think I go anywhere with public wifi
[07:53] <bubba> oh upgrade to hoary
[07:53] <nomasteryoda> once you know the chipset... and i would bet is the bcmwl5a.inf you need...
[07:53] <Ashen> what does everyone recommend for the best gui dvd burning software for ubuntu?
[07:53] <nomasteryoda> mpq, it's really an easy matter to install
[07:53] <mpq> how do I find the chipset?
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> is an internal card?
[07:54] <mpq> yeah
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> do
[07:54] <mpq> it's built into the computer
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> sudo lspci
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> look for bcm
[07:54] <mpq> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94306 802.11g (rev 03)
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> or you can use grep if you have a very long list of hardware
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> sweet
[07:54] <mpq> I already knew what it was
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> yes
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> i remembered
[07:54] <mpq> I've done lspci like 5 times now
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> that driver should work
[07:55] <nomasteryoda> what brand laptop?
[07:55] <mpq> hp pavilion
[07:55] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:55] <nomasteryoda> hp would have the drivers
[07:55] <nomasteryoda> i think
[07:55] <defendguin> ugg
[07:55] <mpq> I found the .exe on HP's website
[07:55] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:55] <mpq> the ndiswrapper linked to it
[07:55] <mpq> but I don't know what to do with the file
[07:56] <nomasteryoda> you need to extract the contents
[07:56] <nomasteryoda> and having wine or windows works well
[07:56] <nomasteryoda> for that
[07:56] <nomasteryoda> i used wine to do mine
[07:56] <nomasteryoda> does ubuntu have wine, i dont' know
[07:56] <mpq> yes
[07:56] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:56] <nomasteryoda> good
[07:56] <nomasteryoda> type
[07:56] <nomasteryoda> wine filename.exe
[07:57] <bob2> er
[07:57] <bob2> that seems like a terrible idea
[07:57] <nomasteryoda> then look for the folder where it extracted the contents
[07:57] <nomasteryoda> bob2, why>
[07:57] <bob2> I'm pretty sure "unzip" or the cab-extract thing will work
[07:57] <nomasteryoda> i do it
[07:57] <nomasteryoda> er ok
[07:57] <bob2> well, that's nice
[07:57] <bluefoxicy> damnit
[07:57] <nomasteryoda> never tried it
[07:57] <bluefoxicy> I can't get anyone on an amd64 gentoo box to build me gtk-gnutella
[07:57] <defendguin> ok ill just insta;; fedora
[07:57] <mpq> I want the .inf file?
[07:57] <bubba> crimsun how smooth you think that upgrade will go if i do that
[07:57] <bluefoxicy> because the amd64 package is broke
[07:57] <nomasteryoda> mpq, yes
[07:57] <bob2> bluefoxicy: that seems like a gentoo problem
[07:57] <bubba> i have enough hell trying to get the simple stuff working :)
[07:57] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5799
[07:58] <mpq> wait, there are two
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> mpq, look here
[07:58] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  I had gtk-gnutella on amd64 on gentoo
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> on that wiki page
[07:58] <bluefoxicy> but the ubuntu package comes with no binary
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[07:58] <bluefoxicy> so rather than build gentoo, I'm trying to get gentoo users to build me one
[07:58] <bob2> bluefoxicy: awesome
[07:58] <bluefoxicy> and nobody will do it >:(
[07:58] <crimsun> bubba: it's the fourth milestone and should dist-upgrade fairly smoothly
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> mpq, you will n eed the bcmwl5a
[07:58] <bob2> bluefoxicy: why don't you just fix the ubuntu package with your leet hax0r skillz?
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> since you have a version 3
[07:58] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  I tried
[07:58] <bubba> ok
[07:58] <bluefoxicy> it didn't work
[07:58] <bubba> well tell me this
[07:58] <mpq> do I need anything other than that file?
[07:59] <bluefoxicy> I can't rebuild gtk-gnutella because it tries to include glib.h
[07:59] <bubba> do i need to download the upgrade or can i put in a repository and do an upgrade that way
[07:59] <bluefoxicy> which doesn't exist when both glib1.2-dev and glib2.0-dev are installed
[07:59] <bluefoxicy> for some odd reason.
[07:59] <bluefoxicy> apparently NEITHER glib dev package provides glib.h, at least not the way the gtk-gnutella programmers want it
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> mpq, no
[08:00] <nomasteryoda> that should work
[08:00] <bob2> bluefoxicy: it does seem like you're jumping to conclusions here
[08:00] <nomasteryoda> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/Installation
[08:00] <bob2> bluefoxicy: since header location is not very arch-dependant
[08:00] <nomasteryoda> ndiswrapper -i filename.inf
[08:00] <bubba> i guess thats a no :(
[08:00] <nomasteryoda> then check with ndiswrapper -l
[08:00] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  glib.h is /usr/include/glib{1.2,2.0}/glib.h
[08:00] <bob2> bluefoxicy: yes, I know
[08:00] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  gtk-gnutella's source files #include <glib.h>
[08:01] <bob2> bluefoxicy: so fix the -I flags
[08:01] <bluefoxicy> huh.
[08:02] <bob2> you know, how gcc decides where to look for header files?
[08:02] <nomasteryoda> mpq, just muddle along in that page reading... should be pretty much self explanatory..
[08:02] <nomasteryoda> got to sleep
[08:02] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  this will take about half an hour due to gtk-gnutella's braindamaged build system
[08:02] <bluefoxicy> it literally asks you baout 30 questions
[08:02] <bluefoxicy> while working
[08:02] <bob2> bluefoxicy: so fix that too
[08:03] <mpq> I got an error when I tried to make install
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> need the gcc libraries and linux-source
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> guys, please help mpq...
[08:04] <bubba> crimsun,  so just change everything in repository to hoary and then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade?
[08:04] <bob2> bluefoxicy: also, the debian build won't ask *any* questions
[08:04] <bluefoxicy> heh
[08:05] <bluefoxicy> I don't know how to build debs yet
[08:05] <bluefoxicy> yay
[08:05] <bob2> er
[08:05] <crimsun> bubba: dist-upgrade afterward, but yes.
[08:05] <bob2> you've been spamming the dev list for weeks now
[08:05] <bubba> ok
[08:06] <bubba> gonna try and see how bad i can break it
[08:06] <mpq> ndiswrapper won't compile
[08:07] <mpq> I get an error "Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build; give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make
[08:07] <bob2> install them
[08:07] <mpq> install what?
[08:07] <bob2> also, you don't need to compile ndiswrapper
[08:07] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  most of what I say is more policy or theory than "this is how you build a deb file, you all know this but I will lecture anyway"
[08:08] <bubba> you said dist-upgrade
[08:08] <bubba> so thats apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:08] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er, knowing the basics is pretty important if you're planning on make broad generalisations
[08:09] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel/4372 for example doesn't necessarily need me to know how to make stuff.  It'd be nice if I understood the structure of deb files and such, as then I could design the stuff I talk about there; but for as far as i go into it, it's not necessary.
[08:09] <bluefoxicy> main.o(.text+0x923): In function `main':
[08:09] <bluefoxicy> : undefined reference to `bitzi_init'
[08:09] <bluefoxicy> if/bridge/ui2c.o(.text+0x11): In function `guc_query_bitzi_by_urn':
[08:09] <bluefoxicy> : undefined reference to `bitzi_query_byurnsha1'
[08:10] <bubba> ok i did apt-get update
[08:10] <bubba> and doiong apt-get dist-upgrade now
[08:10] <bubba> wish me luck
[08:10] <bluefoxicy> I don't know how to handle those
[08:10] <bubba> i'm like a child in a china cabnet
[08:10] <bubba> i'ms ure to break something
[08:11] <Wammy|LapTop> ok i had to boot ubuntu with a SBM floppy disk, now i have a small issue, it seems to 'die' when it all boots and it is asking to select a language.
[08:11] <mpq> I still can't figure out what I'm doing wrong
[08:11] <bob2> bluefoxicy: aren't you the PaX-advocate from lkml?
[08:11] <mpq> I'm following the directions but they aren't helping
[08:11] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  *cough*  yeah
[08:12] <Wammy|LapTop> any ideas what might be causing this?
[08:12] <bob2> bluefoxicy: well, I'm not sure broad generalisations about things people are not very familiar with are always useful
[08:12] <bluefoxicy> heh
[08:12] <mpq> I can't get ndiswrapper to work
[08:13] <mpq> it won't compile
[08:13] <bob2> you don't need to compile it
[08:13] <mpq> then how do I run it?
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  if you're referring to my  strikes at ingo/ExecShield and such, http://woct.sourceforge.net/defmatrix/threatmodel/security.html
[08:13] <bob2> you read the instructions
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  since you seem eager to drag pax into this
[08:13] <bob2> if the instructions say you need to compile it, they're wrong
[08:13] <mpq> the instructions said to compile
[08:13] <bubba> mpq you ndiswrapper <your inf file goes here>
[08:13] <bob2> bluefoxicy: no, just wondering if it was you or not
[08:13] <bubba> you ndiswrapper -l to see if its there
[08:13] <bubba> you modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:14] <bubba> you then ndiswrapper -m
[08:14] <bubba> so it makes wlan0
[08:14] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  ah, ok.  Thought you were trying to drag something else out to hit me with
[08:14] <mpq> ndiswrapper: command not found
[08:14] <mpq> clearly something's wrong
[08:14] <bubba> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[08:14] <bubba> :)
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> "This knocks off (stuffing_sz / rand_period) bits from the randomization"  <-- I still need to fix this x.x  it overstates the damage, which is making the target a much wider area (though it only cuts out N possibilities, much less damage for higher randomization)
[08:15] <mpq> it says there's no ndiswrapper package
[08:15] <bubba> google is my friend and yours too
[08:15] <bubba> try there for the ndiswrapper deb package
[08:15] <bob2> bluefoxicy: nope
[08:15] <mpq> google is useless
[08:15] <bob2> no it's not
[08:15] <mpq> I downloaded ndiswrapper but it doesn't work
[08:15] <bubba> how is google useless
[08:15] <bob2> I know you're frustrated, ut you're frustrating everyone else by making broad incorrect statements
[08:15] <mpq> I tried to compile and it won't compile
[08:15] <goldfish> mpq: did u read the ubuntu forums?
[08:16] <bob2> you don't need to compile it
[08:16] <mpq> you told me I didn't need to
[08:16] <bob2> you need to stop
[08:16] <goldfish> u dont need to compile
[08:16] <mpq> then why doesn't it work?
[08:16] <bob2> paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[08:16] <bubba> the ndiswrapper is clear as hell on ubuntu forum
[08:16] <bubba> thats how i learned how to do it
[08:16] <bob2> because you haven't set it up right yet
[08:16] <bob2> ignore the forums
[08:17] <bob2> mpq: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[08:17] <bob2> read that
[08:17] <bob2> ignore the stupid comments at the bottom
[08:18] <bubba> i had no problem with ndiswrapper installing and all my pboelm is there is a bug or something in it cause after a while it will not let you get essid just craps out on you and takes for ever to get it back i asked in ndiswrapper and they said it is a known oddity so go figure
[08:19] <bob2> strange things happen when you slurp binary crud into your kernel
[08:19] <mpq> it says the driver is installed now
[08:20] <bob2> cool
[08:20] <mpq> oh no
[08:20] <mpq> I don't have the network key
[08:22] <goldfish> mpq: did u set one?
[08:22] <mpq> yes
[08:23] <goldfish> k
[08:23] <bob2> you need to find that out then
[08:23] <mpq> well, not me, someone else
[08:23] <mpq> I'm trying to, but they lost the code
[08:23] <bubba> after a dist-upgrade do you have to restart
[08:23] <bubba> or is it automatic?
[08:23] <bob2> you don't need to
[08:23] <bubba> good deal
[08:23] <bob2> but you won't get gnome updates until you log out then in again
[08:24] <bob2> and you won't get libc6 fixes etc until everything is restarted
[08:24] <bubba> ok
[08:24] <bubba> so in other words restart hope and pray haha
[08:24] <bubba> :)
[08:24] <bob2> meh, I haven't rebooted in weeks
[08:24] <bubba> well considering this is a lappy
[08:24] <bubba> kinda hard to keep it up 24/7
[08:24] <bob2> hm?
[08:24] <bob2> my laptop is either on my lap or asleep
[08:25] <bubba> well
[08:25] <bubba> i seldom turn mine of too
[08:25] <bubba> but thats another story
[08:25] <bubba> :)
[08:25] <bob2> hah
[08:25] <bubba> my toshiba burnt up cause of that
[08:25] <bubba> it became a toaster
[08:26] <mpq> I hate my parents
[08:26] <bubba> honestly melted the pcmia network card
[08:26] <bubba> why they making you go to bed?
[08:26] <mpq> they are stubborn asses who won't help me with anything
[08:26] <Wammy|LapTop> does ubuntu read ntfs file systems?
[08:26] <mpq> and they lost the code
[08:26] <bubba> haha
[08:26] <bob2> Wammy|LapTop: yes
[08:26] <bubba> go down there and hit that reset button on the router
[08:26] <Wammy|LapTop> default?
[08:26] <bubba> gave over :)
[08:26] <bubba> err game even
[08:26] <Wammy|LapTop> or do i need to install a package?
[08:27] <bob2> Wammy|LapTop: yes, by default
[08:27] <Wammy|LapTop> alright nice
[08:27] <bob2> you will need to configure /etc/fstab manually, tho
[08:27] <Wammy|LapTop> how so?
[08:27] <bob2> by telling it where your NTFS partitions are
[08:27] <Wammy|LapTop> ah ok
[08:28] <Wammy|LapTop> like /dev/hdb or whatever it turns out to be?
[08:28] <bob2> yes
[08:28] <Wammy|LapTop> alright
[08:28] <bob2> "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" will list the partition on hdb
[08:28] <mpq> I can't restart the router
[08:28] <mpq> that doesn't do anything
[08:29] <bubba> that reset button restores it to defaults at least on mine it does
[08:29] <mpq> default has a code
[08:29] <mpq> the code is set by default
[08:29] <bob2> you need to find that out
[08:30] <bubba> or if they haven't changed the admin pass you can <IP_ADDRESS> usually and then reconfigure it
[08:30] <mpq> if I reconfigure it it'll screw up their computers
[08:30] <mpq> and as much as I want to do that, it won't help me
[08:30] <goldfish> SCREW THEM!
[08:30] <bob2> then you need to talk to your parents
[08:30] <mpq> they won't listen
[08:30] <bubba> typical default is username black password: admin
[08:30] <goldfish> 1234 : pass
 they are stubborn asses
[08:31] <bubba> then sounds like your screwed
[08:31] <mpq> I just need to find it
[08:31] <bubba> id go and reset it regardless and tell them you don't know what happen
[08:31] <mpq> they won't believe that
[08:31] <mpq> they'd just yell at me to fix it
[08:32] <bob2> well, anyway
[08:32] <bob2> you need to negotiate this with them
[08:32] <bubba> then tell them you don't knwo how
[08:32] <bubba> just like they don't know the key
 THEY ARE STUBBORN ASSES
[08:32] <bubba> simple fix
[08:32] <mpq> they won't listen to anything
[08:32] <bob2> mpq: well, that's sad, but not our problem
[08:32] <mpq> they still use AOL for crying out loud
[08:32] <bob2> and not something anyone here can help with
[08:32] <bubba> i say get off the nipple and get your own place
[08:32] <bubba> :)
[08:32] <mpq> not old enough to yet
[08:32] <Wammy|LapTop> lol
[08:32] <mpq> believe me, that's the first thing I'm doing when I turn 18
[08:32] <bubba> then sue them for pain and sufferin
[08:33] <mpq> lol
[08:33] <Wammy|LapTop> mpq: thats why i run the entire network
[08:33] <mpq> lucky you
[08:33] <Wammy|LapTop> it all runs from my room
[08:33] <Wammy|LapTop> no one messes with it
[08:33] <mpq> I'm going to look for the network information paper
[08:33] <mpq> it's probably in a drawer somewhere
[08:33] <Wammy|LapTop> its fun messing with my step sister while she is online with VNC tho
[08:33] <Wammy|LapTop> ;)
[08:33] <bubba> what good is the network paper that came with the router gonna do?
[08:33] <bubba> just curious
[08:34] <Wammy|LapTop> 425kB/s comes out to how many MB/s ?
[08:34] <Wammy|LapTop> er wiat
[08:34] <bubba> can you not telnet into it from the main computer?
[08:34] <Wammy|LapTop> think i just answered my question
[08:34] <goldfish> do an ifconfig
[08:35] <goldfish> and telnet to the default gateway
[08:35] <bubba> yeah but i don't think he knows the password
[08:35] <Wammy|LapTop> mpq: what is your problem?
[08:35] <bubba> which is why i said just go and reset it
[08:35] <mpq> I hate them
[08:35] <mpq> they won't even let me look for the damn thing
[08:35] <mpq> "It's your fault for screwing with your computer!"
[08:35] <mpq> I hate them so much
[08:35] <Wammy|LapTop> Fetched 104MB in 4m7s
[08:36] <bubba> well dont' commit suicide i don't want my tax dollars having to go toward cleaning you up
[08:36] <Wammy|LapTop> haha love my internet!
[08:36] <mpq> what about cleaning them up?
[08:36] <Wammy|LapTop> mpq: what is your problem?
[08:36] <goldfish> it shud be 1234
[08:36] <bob2> come on
[08:36] <bob2> this does suck for you, but is kinda off-topic
[08:36] <goldfish> man
[08:36] <goldfish> press reset
[08:36] <goldfish> what make router is it?
[08:36] <bubba> goldfish,  i hve told hi that 3 times already
[08:36] <mpq> linksys
[08:36] <goldfish> heh
[08:36] <bubba> he doesn't listen
[08:37] <bubba> much like his parents
[08:37] <mpq> I've reset that thing countless times
[08:37] <mpq> it doesn't do anything
[08:37] <bubba> then reset it again
[08:37] <Wammy|LapTop> mpq: not power it off
[08:37] <mpq> the router is a piece of shit
[08:37] <goldfish> it does
[08:37] <bob2> no
[08:37] <goldfish> reset, resets the password
[08:37] <Wammy|LapTop> there is a small button you have to press with a paper clip
[08:37] <bubba> you dont' turn the power off on it you hit the reset button
[08:37] <bob2> reseting it does not alter the wep key
[08:37] <bob2> do not encourage people to do stupid things
[08:37] <goldfish> it alters the password
[08:37] <bob2> come on, have some common sense, people
[08:37] <mpq> I knew that already bob
[08:37] <bubba> :)
[08:38] <mpq> THIS is why I didn't want to waste time with the wireless
[08:38] <bubba> i was just trying to see if he would try :)
[08:38] <bob2> please don't do that
[08:38] <mpq> I wasn't going to
[08:38] <shehjar> isnt there a xmms package for hoary?
[08:38] <bob2> mpq: well, we're all sorry you forgot to record this information while you were in windows
[08:38] <bob2> but ultimately it's a person al issue
[08:38] <bob2> shehjar: it's in universe
[08:39] <mpq> well, this was back when I knew nothing about computers
[08:39] <Wammy|LapTop> wait, so you forgot the password to the router, and now you cant get the wep key?
[08:39] <shehjar> bob2: that means i cant use the regular deb packages?
[08:40] <mpq> I can't get the wep key because my parents lost it
[08:40] <shehjar> i downloaded it from xmms.org
[08:40] <Wammy|LapTop> dont you have any other computers using the wireless?
[08:40] <mpq> yeah
[08:40] <Wammy|LapTop> usually you can pick it off from there.
[08:40] <Wammy|LapTop> in the configs
[08:40] <mpq> both other computers are on windows
[08:41] <Wammy|LapTop> ah windows encrypts the key right.
[08:41] <Wammy|LapTop> might wanna call linksys up and see what you can do
[08:41] <mpq> it's 11pm here
[08:41] <mpq> and if I was going to call anyone it would be comcast
[08:41] <Wammy|LapTop> where you at?
[08:41] <mpq> pacific
[08:42] <Wammy|LapTop> a, in 19 mins, good feb 12th to you ;)
[08:43] <Wammy|LapTop> is there a 'sleep' in ubuntu?
[08:43] <bob2> shehjar: don't bother
[08:43] <bob2> shehjar: just use the ubunt ones
[08:43] <mpq> I'm going to wait until they go to bed then I'm going to look for it again
[08:43] <bob2> mpq: get the wep key off the windows machines
[08:43] <mpq> don't know how
[08:43] <mpq> and I don't think I can
[08:43] <mpq> they're not mine
[08:44] <Wammy|LapTop> you could packet sniff yourself for a few hours and crack the key just like you would any other network
[08:44] <mpq> and my parents sure aren't going to help me
[08:44] <Amaranth> hmm, i wonder if ndis is a sign of the future :)
[08:44] <bob2> I hope not
[08:44] <mpq> wammy: that sounds illegal
[08:44] <e_machinist> Hey, I was wondering what kind of support ubuntu has for ATI cards?
[08:44] <bob2> it would be very sad if it encouraged idiot hardware manufacturers to not produce proper drivers
[08:44] <mpq> and I don't know how to do that anyway
[08:44] <e_machinist> Does it use a package system for installing software?
[08:44] <bob2> e_machinist: same as every other distrubution
[08:44] <bob2> e_machinist: of course
[08:44] <Amaranth> appearently Longhorn is going to basically have base drivers that handle the basics of interfacing with USB, etc
[08:44] <bob2> e_machinist: it's based on Debian
[08:45] <e_machinist> oh ok, so I should download debian packages when I am trying to find software.
[08:45] <bob2> no
[08:45] <e_machinist> ok, maybe not.
[08:45] <bob2> you should use the ubuntu packages in the ubuntu repositories
[08:46] <e_machinist> Will the ubuntu repository have some of the more obscure apps? For example, a lot of the sourceforge apps?
[08:46] <bob2> it has basically everything Debian does
[08:46] <Wammy|LapTop> mpq: not when its your own network...
[08:46] <ajmitch> e_machinist: universe may have
[08:46] <bob2> I wouldn't give legal advice if you're not a paid lawyer.
[08:47] <mpq> wammy: I don't know how anyway
[08:47] <bob2> so, we're left with you waiting until later and asking help from windows users to extract the key
[08:47] <bob2> good to hear, good luck wit hthat
[08:49] <Amaranth> I just left WEP off on my wireless router/dsl modem.
[08:49] <mpq> I don't exactly have that option
[08:49] <Amaranth> I figured if someone was going to be close enough to use it I'd be close enough to break their laptop. :) That router sucked.
[08:49] <mpq> again, it's not mine
[08:49] <bob2> as interesting as "mpq's parent's AP policy" is, there is lots of other exciting things to talk about
[08:50] <lunitik> bob2: any ideas?  :P
[08:50] <bob2> so, my grass is growing pretty slowly
[08:50] <bob2> and this paint here is drying
[08:50] <bob2> it's fun to watch
[08:50] <mpq> I don't have a lawn, so I can't watch grass
[08:50] <Amaranth> is the water boiling?
[08:51] <lunitik> such sarcasm  :)
[08:51] <ajmitch> bob2: you could even talk about ubuntu..
[08:51] <mpq> even if there was, it's dark
[08:51] <bob2> ajmitch: that would be novel!
[08:51] <goldfish> count the stars
[08:51] <Amaranth> ubuntu? wtf is ubuntu?
[08:51] <mpq> "Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning "humanity to others".
[08:52] <Amaranth> Let me try that again....<sarcasm>ubuntu? wtf is ubuntu?</sarcasm>
[08:52] <lunitik> mpq: yeah... pretty sure that was rehtorical...
[08:53] <mpq> I was referring to the "let's talk about ubuntu"
[08:53] <mpq> not the obvious sarcasm
[08:53] <bob2> aaaaaaaanyway
[08:53] <mpq> I was just late typing it in
[08:53] <daniels> guys, damnit, this is a support channel.  please stop arguing about pointless offtopic random stuff, ok?
[08:54] <Amaranth> Ok, anyone need help with anything?
[08:54] <mpq> nothing anyone here can help me with
[08:54] <mpq> but that's been established
[08:55] <mpq> so I'm just going to stare at my desktop wallpaper
[08:55] <Wammy> hehe, got ubuntu running.
[08:55] <lunitik> Wammy: good job?
[08:56] <Wammy|LapTop> well its taken me weeks, i ran into some issues with my motherboard to where it wouldnt boot ANY cdrom
[08:56] <micahf> how do you get ALSA to work in ubuntu?
[08:56] <micahf> hoary
[08:57] <micahf> and what driver does ubuntu default to?
[08:57] <micahf> because I can't switch to ALSA or OSS
[08:57] <micahf> I'm trying to use the Hydrogen Drum Machine
[08:57] <lunitik> micahf: it will try to detect... often fails... do you know the module you need?
[08:57] <micahf> sound works, but not ALSA or OSS
[08:57] <bob2> ALSA is the default
[08:57] <bob2> and it doesn't "often" fail
[08:58] <lunitik> s/often/sometimes/
[08:58] <micahf> hmmm
[08:58] <bob2> it works for nearly every PCI card in the universe
[08:58] <lunitik> bob2: most issues here seem to relate to sound... hence 'often'... bad wording, sorry.
[08:58] <micahf> Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[08:58] <subterrific> if sound is broken it is usually esd
[08:58] <micahf> should I get rid of esd?
[08:58] <geppy> GSTREAMER-ALSA == BROKEN
[08:58] <geppy> sorry 'bout the caps
[08:58] <micahf> arg
[08:59] <micahf> what should I do then?
[08:59] <micahf> wait no it's not
[08:59] <lunitik> micahf: kill esd if you want to use raw alsa... esd occupies /dev/dsp, which alsa will complain about.
[08:59] <arbeck> how do i make gaim only show in the system tray, and not in the window list?
[08:59] <micahf> I'm using it for music
[08:59] <micahf> hmmm
[08:59] <micahf> thats probably why OSS doesn't work either
[08:59] <subterrific> arbeck: close the gaim window
[08:59] <micahf> arts doesn't work either
[08:59] <lunitik> arachne: using gaim for music? uhh... ok... anyways... just click on the systray icon.
[09:00] <lunitik> meant*
[09:02] <micahf> ick why does removing esd-alsa get rid of gnome-session and everything else
[09:02] <micahf> evolution
[09:02] <micahf> everything
[09:02] <micahf> gedit
[09:02] <subterrific> remove esound
[09:02] <bob2> can you please not make broad statements unless you're actually sure they're true?
[09:02] <subterrific> not esd-alsa
[09:03] <micahf> ah hah
[09:04] <micahf> esound-common too?
[09:04] <subterrific> doesn't matter
[09:04] <micahf> because that wants to get rid of 96 packages
[09:04] <lunitik> micahf: why do you want to get rid of esd?
[09:05] <micahf> because there isn't esd support in hydrogen and is screwing me over maybe
[09:05] <micahf> I can't use alsa
[09:05] <micahf> with hydrogen or gstreamer
[09:05] <bascule> polypaudio
[09:05] <bob2> bah
[09:05] <subterrific> in my experience esd causes more problems than it is solves
[09:05] <bob2> now you're all just throwing out buzz-words and half-thought-out answers
[09:06] <bob2> first, actually check if the problem is that the ALSA device is in use
[09:06] <bob2> if that is the case, setup dmix so it's not a problem
[09:06] <bascule> lsof /dev/dsp
[09:06] <micahf> but how do I check to see if it's in use
[09:06] <bob2> "lsof | grep snd"
[09:07] <mpq> I just downloaded folding@home
[09:07] <mpq> not sure why
[09:07] <micahf> gnustep_s 7017       root  mem       REG       3,68   49892    473679 /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Tools/gnustep_sndd
[09:08] <micahf> micah@g4ubuntu:~$ lsof /dev/dsp
[09:08] <micahf> COMMAND  PID  USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[09:08] <micahf> esd     7406 micah    5w   CHR   14,3      2274 /dev/dsp
[09:08] <lil_anthony> ok i ran apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to hoary now gnome will not start
[09:08] <micahf> I'd just as soon use oss if it works
[09:08] <lil_anthony> how can i rollback to warty or is it possible?
[09:09] <micahf> dist-upgrade doesn't go to hoary unless you changed your source.list
[09:09] <micahf> and you can't go back
[09:09] <subterrific> micahf: did you try killall -9 esd, and then try using whatever app to play sound?
[09:09] <micahf> I didn't
[09:09] <lil_anthony> i changed the source list i thought
[09:09] <micahf> I will
[09:09] <lil_anthony> maybe i didn't do soethign wright
[09:09] <bob2> micahf: there you go
[09:09] <lil_anthony> i just changed eveyrthing from warty to hoary
[09:09] <bob2> lil_anthony: you can't roll back
[09:09] <lil_anthony> so my files are hosed?
[09:09] <bob2> micahf: esd is using /dev/dsp, which means alsa stuff may not work.  "pkill esd" and try again.
[09:10] <shehjar> bob2: apt-get updated, but apt-cache search lists only supporting plugins for xmms, not the actual program.
[09:10] <micahf> awesoome
[09:10] <micahf> oss works now
[09:10] <micahf> and alsa
[09:10] <subterrific> micahf: that is actually alsa
[09:10] <shehjar> bob2: updated from the universe, i.e.
[09:10] <subterrific> micahf: alsa provides oss emulation
[09:10] <lil_anthony> so what do you guys recommend?
[09:10] <micahf> nice
[09:10] <bob2> Package: xmms
[09:10] <bob2> Version: 1.2.10-2ubuntu1
[09:11] <bob2> shehjar: it's there
[09:11] <bob2> assuming you're using hoary
[09:11] <shehjar> bob2: nope, its warty
[09:11] <bob2> oh, there you go
[09:11] <lil_anthony> anyway to get gnome to install?
[09:12] <bob2> you have gnome installed
[09:12] <lil_anthony> well how come it will not r un?
[09:12] <bob2> perhaps you found a bug, since you're using the development unstable version of ubuntu
[09:12] <lil_anthony> in other words HELP :)
[09:13] <Wammy|LapTop> hrm hrm hrm
[09:13] <Wammy|LapTop> im getting Joirnal errors on hdd1
[09:13] <micahf> hmmmmm
[09:13] <micahf> very very choppy and fuzzy
[09:13] <randabis> lil_anthony, does X run at all?
[09:13] <micahf> and now it stopped working
[09:13] <lil_anthony> yeah
[09:13] <Wammy|LapTop> whats this mean? my hard drive is failing?
[09:13] <randabis> so gdm comes up?
[09:13] <lil_anthony> but gnome display manager fails
[09:14] <shehjar> got it, was in the ubuntu archives not in the univ
[09:14] <randabis> are you sure it's gdm failing and not x?
[09:14] <lil_anthony> nope not sure
[09:14] <lil_anthony> it just says gnome display manager
[09:14] <lil_anthony> big red failed
[09:14] <randabis> ah
[09:14] <bob2> shehjar: no, it's in universe
[09:14] <bob2> shehjar: the .deb you downloaded was for hoary
[09:14] <randabis> you might be able to try to install ubuntu-desktop over again
[09:15] <lil_anthony> please help i'm listening
[09:15] <micahf> oh yea hoary doesn't work for installing ubuntu-desktop sometimes
[09:15] <randabis> lil_anthony, try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:15] <micahf> it won't work
[09:15] <micahf> it will say can't install locales I'm guessing
[09:15] <micahf> because it wants to install glibc2.3.2
[09:15] <zerokarmaleft> the new ubuntu branded xscreensaver is supafly
[09:16] <lil_anthony> broken dependencies
[09:16] <micahf> you have to apt-get your way up to synaptic
[09:16] <mpq> I've decided I'm going to be one of those guys who's always in the channel even when I'm not at my computer
[09:16] <micahf> then it will work
[09:16] <mpq> and I'm starting now
[09:16] <micahf> yea what broken dependencies does it say?
[09:16] <micahf> locales?
[09:16] <micahf> glibc?
[09:16] <lil_anthony> xorg-driver-synaptics
[09:16] <randabis> hmm
[09:17] <micahf> hmmm
[09:17] <goldfish> ermm.....
[09:17] <randabis> you could try a clean install
[09:17] <lil_anthony> what with the cd?
[09:17] <randabis> sure unless you have something important you can't lose or backup
[09:17] <lil_anthony> tell me something
[09:18] <Tsjoklat> zerokarmaleft, what is the name under xscreensaver?
[09:18] <lil_anthony> i have just some porgrams i made
[09:18] <micahf> if you want hoary, there is a new array 4 something or other
[09:18] <lil_anthony> that aren't backed up other than that its all good
[09:18] <micahf> that I used
[09:18] <micahf> and it worked OK
[09:18] <randabis> did you install hoary from a cd or did you upgrade from warty?
[09:18] <lil_anthony> upgrade
[09:18] <lil_anthony> from warty
[09:18] <randabis> sometimes upgrading from warty can go bad
[09:19] <randabis> especially if you've used ubuntu backports at all
[09:19] <lil_anthony> yeah i did
[09:19] <shehjar> bob2: its downloading from here: http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main
[09:19] <randabis> that's why your install is borked
[09:19] <lil_anthony> now you tell me :(
[09:19] <bob2> ok!
[09:19] <randabis> blame jdong :/
[09:19] <randabis> he should version his packages correctly
[09:19] <lil_anthony> anyway to unbork it?
[09:19] <Amaranth> heh, this is why backports are nonsupported
[09:20] <randabis> I don't know
[09:20] <Tsjoklat> must be me but I don't see an Ubu screensaver
[09:20] <randabis> I stayed away from his backports for that reason
[09:20] <micahf> wait you should use universal packages lil_anthony
[09:20] <micahf> do you have them enabled?
[09:20] <Tsjoklat> randabis.. I don't really understand that when you upgrade from warty to hoary that ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop are not installed
[09:20] <Tsjoklat> you have to do it manually
[09:20] <lil_anthony> yeah
[09:20] <micahf> that will help your dependencies perhaps
[09:20] <micahf> did you do apt-get update?
[09:21] <Tsjoklat> err I mean bob2
[09:21] <lil_anthony> yep
[09:21] <Tsjoklat> bob2 you should take that up with the bosses :)
[09:21] <lil_anthony> and apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:21] <randabis> Tsjoklat, they are meta-packages
[09:21] <bob2> Tsjoklat: I don't either
[09:21] <lil_anthony> and now i'm dead in the wter
[09:21] <bob2> Tsjoklat: hah, I'm not a distro guy
[09:21] <micahf> hmmm
[09:21] <micahf> weird
[09:21] <micahf> man I dunno
[09:21] <micahf> keep trying stuff
[09:21] <Tsjoklat> bob2 speak for the people hehehe
[09:22] <lil_anthony> so put the hoary cd in here
[09:22] <randabis> meta-packages just pull up all the dependencies they require
[09:22] <lil_anthony> and try that?
[09:22] <micahf> I got my hoary dependency problems out super easy compared to debian
[09:22] <micahf> gentoo is good about dependencies, but I hate compiling
[09:22] <Tsjoklat> ah well... I know mostly what to do but for a new users that upgrades.. might be a tad confuzling
[09:23] <zerokarmaleft> Tsjoklat, it's not a ubuntu screensaver, they branded the password dialog for when you're coming out of a locked screen
[09:23] <randabis> heh I'm in gentoo right now
[09:23] <Tsjoklat> zerokarmaleft, oh duh! sorry about that!
[09:24] <randabis> doing emerge -uDv --newuse world
[09:24] <Tsjoklat> we'll see you in a week then randabis? :)
[09:24] <randabis> compiling does kind of suck, but it really does make a difference
[09:24] <lil_anthony> so should it ry a clean hoary
[09:24] <fsc> i'm back from insanity now, after contemplating upgrading to Hoary tonight.  Warty works perfectly for me.
[09:24] <lil_anthony> or just go back to warty?
[09:24] <randabis> Tsjoklat, nah it'll be done by morning
[09:24] <Tsjoklat> randabis, I am so allergic to it that I do it at night so I don't have to see it
[09:25] <randabis> My system bootstrapped in under 2 hours
[09:25] <bob2> randabis: in very very few cases
[09:25] <zerokarmaleft> randabis, staying the bleeding edge of big metapackages is annoying though
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> lil_anthony, install warty clean then upgrade
[09:25] <micahf> any ideas as to why OSS is so choppy and bad?
[09:25] <bob2> maybe the driver sucks
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> lil_anthony, that's what I had to do to get it up
[09:25] <micahf> haha well thats helpful!
[09:25] <lil_anthony> ok
[09:25] <lil_anthony> so just reinstall warty
[09:25] <micahf> I can't get hydrogen to work with plain ALSA
[09:25] <micahf> only oss
[09:25] <randabis> bob2, going from stage 1 to now...I see a noticable increase in performance in comparision to my hoary install
[09:26] <lil_anthony> whats screwed up is i gotta screw with this damn network crap not working again
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> you could burn all your .deb files, so you don't have to d/l them again lil_anthony
[09:26] <lil_anthony> this blows be back later
[09:27] <lil_anthony> so you say put warty back on it clean and try again
[09:27] <zerokarmaleft> randabis, i'd actually prefer gentoo for single/limited-role servers
[09:27] <Tsjoklat> lil_anthony, toodles
[09:27] <lil_anthony> fun fun fun
[09:28] <randabis> lil_anthony, hoary's install cd might give you better luck with the networking...depending on your card
[09:28] <randabis> zerokarmaleft, meh, it makes a good desktop too imho
[09:30] <micahf> what does this mean!
[09:30] <micahf> ALSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[09:31] <bob2> randabis: no, that doesn't count
[09:31] <bob2> randabis: url for benchmarks
[09:32] <randabis> I don't need benchmarks to know there's a difference
[09:32] <bob2> right
[09:32] <bob2> it couldn't possibly be the placebo effect
[09:33] <_4strO|Ult1m4t3> go go tournoi :)
[09:33] <randabis> I could do a comprehensive set of benchmarks, but what's the point? It feels faster to me. I don't need to prove it to increase the size of my epenis
[09:33] <_4strO|Ult1m4t3> bon WE  tous
[09:33] <micahf> ok how do I use dbmix to make this crap work
[09:33] <bob2> no, but it actually shows there's a point
[09:34] <bascule> micahf: modprobe snd-seq
[09:34] <randabis> the point is I feel a difference in speed. That's all I need
[09:34] <bob2> how do you know you wouldn't feel it if I told you it was faster?
[09:34] <randabis> because that's silly
[09:34] <bob2> no, it's not
[09:34] <mpq> something's wrong with firefox
[09:34] <mpq> flash files don't have any sound
[09:35] <Ashen2k> hyoh.
[09:35] <bob2> people feel gentoo is faster because they've been told it's faster
[09:35] <wickedpuppy> which website ?
[09:35] <bob2> mpq: pkill esd
[09:35] <mpq> what?
[09:35] <Ashen2k> the fix for the stalling thing worked for a while... but now its crashing again... O_o'
[09:35] <bob2> run that command
[09:35] <bob2> enjoy the sound
[09:35] <mpq> that didn't do anything
[09:36] <micahf> [ERROR]      AlsaAudioDriver     ALSA: cannot open audio device hw:0: Device or resource busy
[09:36] <micahf> [ERROR]      AlsaAudioDriver     ALSA: cannot open audio device default: Device or resource busy
[09:36] <mpq> there is sound
[09:36] <mpq> it just isn't playing in flash
[09:36] <randabis> bob2, maybe for some people...but that is not the case for me. If I must "prove" this...then direct me to a good linux benchmarking suite
[09:36] <bob2> randabis: run openssl or something
[09:36] <subterrific> mpq: restart firefox after killing esd
[09:37] <Ashen2k> is "$ nvidia-glx update" meant to do anything?
[09:37] <mpq> oh
[09:37] <mpq> I should have thought of that
[09:37] <mpq> what's esd anyway?
[09:38] <micahf> a crappy sound daemon that screws people
[09:38] <lunitik> Enlightened Sound Daemon... software mixer
[09:38] <micahf> I mean, it works I guess, but it won't let me use hydrogen
[09:38] <mpq> so it basically screws stuff up and has no use?
[09:38] <subterrific> it does a lot more than software mixing
[09:38] <bob2> no
[09:38] <micahf> no it works
[09:38] <bob2> it has a use because most sound hardware is shit
[09:38] <bascule> from the smms site "I don't know why and I'm not yet motivated to fix it since my views on esd are mostly unprintable." Alan Cox
[09:38] <bob2> and the linux kernel drivers don't do software mixing
[09:39] <micahf> hydrogen doesn't support it
[09:39] <micahf> and it makes me sad
[09:39] <lunitik> mpq: its uses involve remote sound... and software mixing (ie, more than one application at a time can play sounds..)
[09:39] <bob2> hydrogen sounds kinda crap
[09:39] <bob2> what's it supposed to do?
[09:39] <micahf> any ideas as to why OSS sounds so bad?
[09:39] <micahf> its a drum machine
[09:39] <micahf> it sounds really nice from the demos of it
[09:39] <bob2> maybe the OSS driver sucks
[09:39] <Ashen2k> so what was the process to stop X from crashing using my nvidia 5900XT on my 64bit Warty?
[09:40] <bob2> why aren't you using ALSA, anyway?
[09:40] <bob2> Ashen2k: use the nv driver
[09:40] <micahf> it doesn't work
[09:40] <micahf> [ERROR]      AlsaAudioDriver     ALSA: cannot open audio device hw:0: Device or resource busy
[09:40] <micahf> [ERROR]      AlsaAudioDriver     ALSA: cannot open audio device default: Device or resource busy
[09:40] <micahf> because of that
[09:40] <bob2> 'doesn't work' is not a useful description
[09:40] <Ashen2k> it still crashes.
[09:40] <bob2> so, something else has it open
[09:40] <bob2> Ashen2k: file a bug if on one else has
[09:40] <micahf> like what?
[09:40] <bob2> micahf: "lsof | grep snd"
[09:40] <bob2> paste the output to #flood
[09:40] <micahf> ok
[09:40] <Ashen2k> bob2: hrmm... someone had an answer for me before... an hour or so ago.
[09:41] <bob2> ok!
[09:41] <micahf> NUstep/System/Tools/gnustep_sndd
[09:42] <bob2> so
[09:42] <bob2> you didn't paste the output
[09:42] <bob2> and you did it in the wrong channel
[09:43] <micahf> thats because thats the only thing besides hydrogen that's using it
[09:43] <micahf> and what IS it
[09:43] <bob2> no
[09:44] <micahf> no?
[09:44] <bob2> you seem to have two copies of hydrogen open
[09:44] <bob2> kill them all
[09:47] <micahf> no that was just one
[09:47] <micahf> process manager only showed one
[09:47] <micahf> I closed it
[09:48] <mpq> ah, the wonders of 4chan
[09:48] <micahf> now alsa is only in use by gnustep
[09:48] <micahf> and I really don't know what that is I should google it
 what the fuck is linux
[09:48] <mpq> <[Bond] > alt, something nerds do instead of get laid
[09:49] <mpq> 4chan is a strange place
[09:49] <bob2> micahf: er, why do you think gnustep is using your alsa devices?
[09:49] <micahf> hahaha
[09:49] <bob2> mpq: language, please
[09:49] <mpq> I was quoting
[09:49] <bob2> indeed
[09:49] <mpq> I was going to change it to fsck but that's stupid
[09:49] <micahf> I dunno because it said it under lsof | grep snd
[09:50] <bob2> maybe you should just not paste random stuff from other channels?
[09:50] <bob2> micahf: no, that's not what it said
[09:50] <micahf> what does that mean then?
[09:50] <mpq> uhh... I'm just going to go back into the shadows now...
[09:51] <glyph> anybody familiar with GNOME's configuration of audio devices?
[09:51] <bob2> it means nothing except that it got printed out
[09:51] <Ashen2k> grrr
[09:52] <Ashen2k> ubuntu, or rather X (no ctrl-alt-backspace/f1) is crashing when it reaches "Starting window manager"
[09:52] <glyph> I have 3 sound cards, and I'd like to configure media keys on different input devices to alter the volume on different output devices
[09:52] <bob2> that's not a gnome issue
[09:52] <bob2> that's a "you have too much money" issue ;)
[09:52] <glyph> bob2: esad, etc ;)
[09:53] <glyph> bob2: I use VoIP for work
[09:53] <glyph> bob2: One of the devices in question is the crappy on-board sound card, which actually cost negative money.  One is the soundblaster live that I bought because the onboard one was so crappy I couldn't stand it.  One of them is a logitech USB headset that I use for VoIP
[09:54] <glyph> bob2: but, backing off from the multiple-device question, I need to change mixer settings even if I just had one sound card: it's defaulting to change the "master" volume on my sblive, which, as far as I can tell, affects nothing at all
[09:54] <glyph> bob2: I need to change it to "Wave" in order to make it affect the actual volume.
[09:55] <bob2> I just use alsamixer in a terminal for all my cards, sorry
[09:56] <glyph> bob2: Well, that's what I do too.  I'd just like it if the on-the-cord volume buttons on my headset would work.  It's a huge pain when somebody is raping my ear with a SUPER loud mic on the other end of a voice connection and it takes me like 30 seconds to change the volume :)
[09:56] <bob2> hah
[09:56] <bob2> it's a software volume control on the headset?
[09:58] <glyph> bob2: Yeah, when I first got it I thought it was really neat!  I plugged it in and pushed them, and the little gnome "I'm changing the volume" progress-bar-window came up
[09:58] <glyph> but then it didn't do anything :-(
[09:59] <bob2> that's kinda arse
[10:01] <glyph> Everybody took that rant that Havoc wrote about "configurability is bad" way too seriously, and now there are no options for anything :-(
[10:02] <glyph> and at the same time, too many
[10:02] <glyph> 9 different ways for me to change the volume, and they are all configured differently
[10:02] <bob2> I think gnome's balance is pretty good
[10:02] <bob2> there's only one in modern gnome
[10:03] <micahf> wow
[10:03] <micahf> this program is amazing
[10:04] <micahf> good sound quality on export with jack
[10:04] <micahf> but it won't play back
[10:04] <micahf> except with oss
[10:04] <micahf> and it sounds terrible
[10:07] <glyph> bob2: I count at least 3
[10:07] <bob2> they all use gstreamer
[10:07] <glyph> bob2: mixer applet, "volume control" preference pane, keyboard keys
[10:07] <glyph> bob2: Ohhhhh
[10:07] <bob2> and I don't see a problem having three ways to do it
[10:07] <glyph> bob2: so I have to configure *gstreamer*'s default mixer device?
[10:07] <bob2> it would be shit to only have one
[10:07] <bob2> aiui, yes
[10:07] <glyph> bob2: is there a preference pane for that/
[10:08] <bob2> yeah
[10:08] <glyph> okay finally :)
[10:08] <Agrajag> gstreamer-properties
[10:08] <glyph> that is what I want
[10:08] <bob2> what Agrajag said
[10:09] <glyph> Okay maybe that's not what I want
[10:09] <glyph> just sinks and sources
[10:09] <glyph> no talk of a mixer
[10:09] <Agrajag> oh
[10:09] <Agrajag> you might have to fight with gconf then :/
[10:10] <Agrajag> hm, no, it's not there either
[10:10] <bascule> how about right-click the applet and select the appropriate mixer device?
[10:10] <glyph> bascule: Configures it for the applet, but not the media keys
[10:10] <bascule> r-click properties, maybe thats the same
[10:10] <subterrific> glyph: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=MultipleCards
[10:10] <glyph> Agrajag: I've been reading keys in gconf for hours now :)
[10:12] <subterrific> glyph: pay attention to the .asoundrc part, in that file, you set the defaults for alsa
[10:12] <subterrific> glyph: its all in the alsa wiki...shocking i know
[10:13] <glyph> subterrific: Hmm
[10:13] <glyph> subterrific: I'll try it
[10:15] <glyph> Doesn't seem to make any difference if I swap the default alsa card, I imagine since it's actually using ESD, which is using OSS
[10:19] <mpq> the old version of firefox that came with ubuntu is screwing with stuff
[10:19] <delltony> ok finally got ubuntu back up after hoary borked me
[10:19] <mpq> how do I get rid of the old version?
[10:20] <delltony> so how do i go about upgrading to hoary successfully? i had the backports in before?
[10:20] <delltony> this is a clean warty install i'm all ears :)
[10:20] <subterrific> delltony: look in the wiki
[10:21] <delltony> ok let me try again :)
[10:21] <subterrific> glyph: i'd recommend not using esd
[10:21] <subterrific> glyph: alsa by itself works much better for me and everyone else i know
[10:22] <FAST> what's the umask settings for   owner RWX, group RX, others RX
[10:22] <FAST> number
[10:23] <subterrific> 755
[10:23] <glyph> OK, I have discovered what responds to the media keys
[10:23] <glyph> it is gnome-settings-daemon, and it *has* to use esd, there is no other option
[10:24] <subterrific> glyph: maybe tell esd which alsa card to use?
[10:24] <FAST> 755 didnt work
[10:25] <FAST> 0222 is close but i need + owner W
[10:26] <subterrific> FAST: 755 is what you asked for
[10:26] <glyph> subterrific: hmmmm
[10:26] <glyph> subterrific: yeah, there is a config file.  I bet if I passed it /dev/mixer1 as the mixer, it would do what I want
[10:27] <subterrific> FAST: 222 gives only write to everyone
[10:27] <subterrific> which isn't close at all to what you asked for
[10:27] <FAST> when i try 0755, i get properties of the volume, and all that is checked is group W and others W
[10:27] <FAST> pemissions tab
[10:28] <glyph> *nice*
[10:28] <subterrific> FAST: you're doing: sudo chmod 755 /path/
[10:28] <glyph> gnome-settings-daemon opens /dev/mixer *directly*
[10:28] <FAST> im trying to put the umask setting in fstab properly
[10:28] <glyph> aaaand I'm using udev, so I can't change what device that is.  argh! :)
[10:29] <subterrific> udev lets you change that
[10:30] <glyph> subterrific: oh?
[10:30] <glyph> subterrific: using the usual hack of just moving the device files around, or do I have to do something more involved?
[10:30] <subterrific> glyph: much better way. i played with it for changing the order of my network cards. haven't tried sound cards yet though
[10:30] <bascule> glyph: try lineakd
[10:31] <subterrific> glyph: there is a really good guide on udev, i found it on google
[10:31] <bascule> nasty to set up, but might do what you need
[10:31] <delltony> just curious ndiswrapper works with hoary doesn't it?
[10:31] <bascule> or there is xev and xmodmap <-- on your own there :)
[10:31] <FAST> what does udev do? can i change the udev.conf so that the permissions for a firewire hard drive will be set a certain way?
[10:32] <FAST> when plugged in
[10:32] <bascule> FAST: is it an NTFS volume
[10:32] <FAST> it is a fat32 hard drive
[10:32] <bascule> umask=000
[10:32] <bascule> in fstab
[10:32] <glyph> bascule: despite all this screwing around with sound devices, I am pretty lazy
[10:32] <bascule> and 777 on the moutpoint dir
[10:32] <glyph> bascule: I will probably just report a bug in gnome and wait for the next release ;)
[10:33] <bascule> lol
[10:33] <glyph> it's just annoying because gnome does 95% of what I want it to, I just feel compelled to squeeze the last 5% out of it
[10:33] <subterrific> you'll be waiting a while before everything in gnome uses gstreamer :\
[10:34] <bascule> <-- gstreamer free gnome, different distro
[10:34] <FAST> 777 on the mountpoint dir?       right now its:  /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 umask=0000 0 0
[10:34] <bascule> umask=000 thre of them
[10:34] <steve> can anyone tell what the source is that has marillet in it
[10:34] <bascule> look: 2 secs
[10:35] <bascule> /dev/sda1           /keydrive     vfat        defaults,noauto,users,rw,codepage=850,umask=0
[10:35] <bascule> all on line needless to say, I hope
[10:36] <bascule> one line*
[10:36] <FAST> looks good
[10:37] <lx> does anyone know how to make a laptop go to standby or shut power when left on overnight?
[10:37] <lx> my laptop is hot this morning... i left it on
[10:38] <lx> i can't find the power options... if there are any
[10:39] <subterrific> lx: use google and search for your laptop model name + linux + power
[10:39] <subterrific> or similar combinations
[10:40] <subterrific> you can usually find someone else with your laptop that has figured out how to enable power management
[10:41] <Ashen2k> is there a way i can edit nvidia settings through the command line in the non-gui boot of ubuntu
[10:41] <subterrific> Ashen2k: of course
[10:41] <traanf> hi all, after trying a lot of things, I still cannot play sound with Xmms
[10:41] <lx> subterrific: looking  . . .
[10:41] <Ashen2k> n e chance u could tell me how subterrific
[10:42] <traanf> don't really know why but my Gnome still gives sound as usual
[10:42] <subterrific> Ashen2k: you're probably looking for /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:42] <subterrific> traanf: probably because you've got esd running and you need the esd plugin for xmms?
[10:43] <Ashen2k> no i know bout that how to switch to the nvidia driver but my prob is that my system keeps hanging just after i login
[10:43] <Ashen2k> its an AMD64 on the amd64 ubuntu
[10:43] <traanf> subterrific: I go to the Preference page of xmms and changed to esd already
[10:43] <subterrific> Ashen2k: hoary or warty?
[10:43] <traanf> I also try alsa
[10:43] <Ashen2k> warty
[10:44] <traanf> but still cannot get it running
[10:44] <subterrific> traanf: in my experience esd causes lots of problems and i uninstall it and disable it on every machine i touch
[10:44] <Ashen2k> i had some issue with the nvidia-glx thing but we fixed that coz the system was working fine for about an hour
[10:45] <subterrific> Ashen2k: try rm -rf $HOME/.ICE*
[10:45] <Ashen2k> then had to reboot for somethin and when it tried to get back in it just died
[10:45] <traanf> subterrific: I am quite a newbie, do you know any howto about this stuff?
[10:46] <Ashen2k> the cursor just sits on a new line flashing and nothing seems to b happening
[10:46] <subterrific> traanf: not a good one. i started to write one, but sound is really complicated on linux and the guide quickly got out of hand
[10:46] <Ashen2k> actually hold that
[10:47] <subterrific> Ashen2k: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ?
[10:47] <Ashen2k> ill try that
[10:48] <Ashen2k> one sec
[10:48] <Ashen2k> um it said sudo: command not found
[10:49] <traanf> subterrific: yeah, I switch to Ubuntu coz it is Debian based which I love, but alot of problems for desktop ussages
[10:49] <jeavis> hello, somebody can say me how to see an .chm
[10:49] <subterrific> Ashen2k: sudo should be installed by default, what did you do to your install?
[10:50] <Zotnix> jeavis, xchm
[10:50] <Ashen2k> nothin it installed fine
[10:50] <Zotnix> Ashen, did you accidently remove /usr/bin?
[10:50] <Ashen2k> possibly :S
[10:51] <Zotnix> can you do anything?
[10:51] <subterrific> Ashen2k: well ubuntu doesn't work without sudo...
[10:51] <Ashen2k> im gonna re-install it gimme a sec
[10:51] <Ashen2k> i kno
[10:51] <jeavis> Zotnix: Ubuntu have xchm
[10:51] <Tsjoklat> is polyaudio installed by default or is it something one has to do themselves
[10:52] <Zotnix> jeavis, yeah. It might be in universe repostitories or multiverse, but it's there.
[10:53] <randabis> Tsjoklat, you have to do it yourself right now...it "might" be default by april's release
[10:53] <jeavis> Zotnix: coomando not found said me the term
[10:54] <Zotnix> jeavis, sudo apt-get install xchm
[10:54] <Tsjoklat> randabis ah okay... is it really as good as the devs claim it to be?
[10:54] <Zotnix> do that first
[10:54] <randabis> Tsjoklat, I really like it
[10:54] <jeavis> Zotnix:Ooooooooooooooh! I do that.
[10:55] <Tsjoklat> randabis it replaces esd and alsa? or just esd?
[10:55] <jeavis> Zotnix: How works mySQL in Ubuntu
[10:55] <randabis> Tsjoklat, it's a drop-in replacement for esd
[10:56] <Zotnix> jeavis, not sure, haven't installed it.
[10:56] <randabis> all you have to do is apt-get install polypaudio, edit the polypaudio config file, logout, log back in
[10:56] <jeavis> Zotnix: I am going to do that this night
[10:56] <vi11e> hey.. doesn't x-chat support multi-servers?
[10:56] <randabis> yes
[10:56] <Zotnix> vi11e, yeppers.
[10:56] <vi11e> hmm weird
[10:56] <randabis> I'm on channels in 3 different servers
[10:57] <randabis> 7 channels total
[10:57] <vi11e> joh..works now
[10:57] <Tsjoklat> randabis thanks for the advice .. much appreciated
[10:57] <Zotnix> I'm in 10 channels on 2 servers
[10:57] <randabis> np
[10:58] <vi11e> does dc++ work on linux?
[10:58] <jeavis> Zotnix: Thank you very much I see you later :)
[10:59] <randabis> vi11e, if they've ported it than possibly
[10:59] <randabis> otherwise there are alternative
[10:59] <randabis> s
[10:59] <randabis> such as dcgui
[11:00] <vi11e> oh, dcgui, hmm
[11:01] <vi11e> is there apt-get for dcgui
[11:02] <randabis> yes
[11:03] <vi11e> nice nice, running it now already ,letssssee
[11:03] <klaym> Hello! I have a Lacie external cd-rw drive and I'm trying to make Warty detect it. Any experiences?
[11:04] <glyph> klaym: "plug it in"? :)
[11:04] <glyph> klaym: hotplug isn't finding it?  what bus is it on?
[11:06] <klaym> it's on usb
[11:07] <vi11e> as a new linux person it is hard for me to keep track with which directories uses all my harddisk space... it seems that I have only 1.6gb space and I installed 10gb ext2.... now what's a good way to locate those directories that might have all the big files?
[11:07] <klaym> it says Special device not found: dev/scd0
[11:07] <randabis> " /home /usr will have most of the space
[11:07] <glyph> klaym: Hmm
[11:07] <randabis> you could also try running sudo apt-get clean
[11:08] <randabis> that should free up some space
[11:08] <glyph> klaym: Distressing - I wish I could help.  My CD burners all worked first try.
[11:08] <klaym> ok thanks anyway
[11:08] <vi11e> ah I found, I didn't remember I still had that 4.5gb image file, that took the space
[11:09] <vi11e> I think I have to make some 100gb ext2 space, feels like I am going to use this filesystem more than ntfs from now on
[11:11] <klaym> is k3b installed by default?
[11:11] <vi11e> what's k3b may I ask? :S
[11:11] <klaym> some cd handling application
[11:11] <vi11e> at least w3m is :)
[11:12] <bascule> bloated KDE burner app
[11:12] <vi11e> ohh... for cd-burning there is nautilus thing... I don't know about k3b
[11:12] <glyph> klaym: you can just right-click on an ISO in nautilus to burn it
[11:12] <Tsjoklat> gnomebaker is a good burning application... heard graveman is good too
[11:13] <klaym> ok
[11:13] <glyph> klaym: or you can go to the "places" menu and select "CD/DVD creator" if you want to make a new ISO
[11:16] <SirFred> HI.
[11:16] <SirFred> Is there any applet for monitoring remote mailboxes (POP3) ?
[11:16] <SirFred> I've tried flink, but it segsfault.
[11:16] <scoon> SirFred, yes.  mail-notification
[11:16] <scoon> SirFred, even does gmail
[11:17] <SirFred> scoon: Oh, is that the package-name ?
[11:17] <SirFred> Yes it is
[11:17] <scoon> SirFred, yes
[11:17] <SirFred> scoon: Thanks a lot
[11:17] <scoon> SirFred, np
[11:21] <klaym> I'm installing k3b, I'll see if that then recognizes my usb cd-rw drive
[11:26] <scoon> anyone in here use muine ?
[11:26] <SirFred> scoon: I've tried it a little.
[11:26] <SirFred> scoon: But only a pair of times. It worked fine, I think.
[11:26] <scoon> SirFred, w/ ubuntu ?
[11:26] <SirFred> scoon: Yes.
[11:26] <SirFred> scoon: Hoary
[11:26] <scoon> SirFred, are you still warty ?
[11:27] <SirFred> scoon: No, sorry
[11:27] <scoon> SirFred, i am hoary.  the version is .63
[11:27] <scoon> SirFred, i have found that it requires libflac4 but i have libflac6
[11:28] <SirFred> scoon: 0.6.3 here.
[11:28] <SirFred> scoon: I installed it yesterday or the day before yesterday with no problem.
[11:28] <scoon> SirFred, yeah that is what i mean.
[11:28] <SirFred> scoon: So, you're getting dependency problems?
[11:29] <scoon> SirFred, yeah.  it wants libflac4 but only libflac6 is avail.
[11:29] <scoon> SirFred, but there is a newer version out: .8.4 or something like that.
[11:29] <SirFred> scoon: On hoary repositories?
[11:29] <scoon> SirFred, yea
[11:30] <SirFred> scoon: apt-cache show muine only gets for me the Version: 0.6.3-4
[11:30] <randabis> the new update probably calls the old libflac4 accidently
[11:30] <randabis> I'd tell you to file a bug, but that's a universe package
[11:30] <scoon> SirFred, that is correct, but there is a newer version out there.
[11:30] <randabis> you'd have to contact the maintainer of that package directly
[11:30] <SirFred> I have installed libflac4, but I see my repository has a libflac6 that replaces libflac4.
[11:31] <scoon> SirFred, my question is: does muine play over samba.
[11:31] <SirFred> scoon: Out where?
[11:31] <SirFred> scoon: No idea.
[11:31] <SirFred> scoon: Perhaps it uses gnome-vfs2 functionality
[11:31] <scoon> SirFred, well xmms doesn't and neither does beep-media-player.
[11:32] <randabis> samba sucks :/
[11:32] <scoon> randabis, no.  it is needed.
[11:32] <SirFred> scoon: Can't you just mount that volume using nautilus?
[11:32] <randabis> yeah really
[11:32] <vi11e> hmm, I couldn't install qtparted from apt-get
[11:32] <randabis> why can't you just mount the volume?
[11:32] <scoon> SirFred, i have.
[11:33] <scoon> and randabis.
[11:33] <SirFred> scoon: So you mean muine is not able to access mounted volumes in nautilus?
[11:33] <randabis> and you tried to add files from the mounted folder with xmms?
[11:33] <SirFred> I can give it a try
[11:33] <scoon> randabis, yes.
[11:33] <scoon> SirFred, that would be much appreciated.
[11:33] <randabis> they don't play though? or nothing shows up
[11:34] <vi11e> hey, how can I check my filesystem? I think it is ext2 but in windows partition magic it says ext3. And can I create ext3 partition aside with my possible ext2 partition and how can I detect it with ubuntu after I created it?
[11:34] <randabis> I'm just wondering cause I am able to do it with nfs
[11:34] <scoon> randabis, i get errs cuz gnome pre-pends the files with samba://
[11:34] <scoon> randabis, and that gets beep and xmms all in a jam.
[11:34] <randabis> wtf
[11:34] <randabis> they should just be /path/to/sambashare
[11:35] <randabis> :/
[11:35] <randabis> do you have smbfs installed?
[11:35] <scoon> randabis, like in life, what "should be" is not "is"
[11:35] <scoon> randabis, yes.
[11:35] <randabis> ok just ruling that out
[11:35] <randabis> :/
[11:35] <scoon> randabis, there is NO problem w/ my samba set up, kernel mods or anything of the sort.
[11:35] <randabis> ok
[11:35] <scoon> randabis, that I know.
[11:35] <klaym> what is the default program to operate cd devices in ubuntu?
[11:35] <randabis> it's just a program problem
[11:36] <scoon> scoon, in fact i have used the same samba conf for about 3 years.
[11:36] <scoon> randabis, yes.  a program problem.
[11:36] <randabis> so you're trying to find an alternative
[11:36] <scoon> randabis, and not necessarily a bug yet
[11:36] <SirFred> scoon: Well, the muine file dialog is the old gtk one.
[11:36] <chrillan> god morning
[11:36] <randabis> have you tried rhythmbox scoon?
[11:36] <SirFred> scoon: It seems I'm not able to see the network mounted volumes.
[11:37] <scoon> thanks SirFred
[11:37] <SirFred> scoon: Because they're not mounted at SO level.
[11:37] <scoon> randabis, errr, rhythmbox never works for me.
[11:37] <SirFred> scoon: Let's try with beep-media-player.
[11:37] <scoon> randabis, it constantly crashes.
[11:37] <scoon> SirFred, thank you.
[11:37] <randabis> yeah rhythmbox is quirky as hell
[11:38] <scoon> randabis, that was a very polite way to speak of that turd.
[11:38] <randabis> for some people it works flawlessly, others it's a trainwreck
[11:38] <SirFred> Well, I've never tried this before. But it seems that the gtk+ file dialog is not able to see the gnome vfs volumes
[11:38] <randabis> heh that sucks
[11:38] <scoon> randabis, I have over 20gigs of mp3s and rhythmbox can load less than 1 gig of them.
[11:38] <scoon> totally annoying.
[11:38] <randabis> what I was thinking was adding the samba shares into fstab
[11:39] <SirFred> rhythmbox gives me the worst audio quality I've ever tried.
[11:39] <SirFred> randabis: That's a workaround.
[11:39] <scoon> SirFred, i wonder if i could write a plugin for muine.
[11:39] <SirFred> randabis: But I thought that gnome-vfs would take care of this.
[11:39] <SirFred> Doesn't the gnome-vfs2 mounted volumes should be available using the file selector?
[11:39] <scoon> the new versions allows for using "plugins"
[11:39] <randabis> scoon, do you have files other than mp3s in the folders you're trying to add with rb?
[11:39] <scoon> randabis, no.
[11:40] <randabis> ok
[11:40] <scoon> randabis, at first i thought could be the problem so i really cleaned everything up.
[11:40] <scoon> randabis, but it is not.
[11:40] <D|m3> hi i need some help to set up a ADLS connection on Ubuntu
[11:40] <randabis> SirFred, well that's just how I handle my nfs shares so I thought it might be a possibility to try
[11:41] <SirFred> randabis: Yes I know. But...
[11:41] <D|m3> can i ask the question :)?
[11:41] <randabis> no
[11:41] <SirFred> randabis: I think that the expected behaviour should be mount the volume from gnome and then all the gnome applications should have that volume available.
[11:41] <scoon> D|m3, didn't you already ?
[11:41] <randabis> lol
[11:41] <D|m3> no :)
[11:41] <D|m3> I want to set up an ADSL Connection under Ubuntu Linux but I can't. I tried with pppoeconf but it's says that the connection was triget. i tried instaling initscripts_2.85-22ubuntu12_i386.deb the I installed rp-pppoe-3.5-8.i386.rpm but there is a problem when i type adsl-setup root@DimeUbuntu:/home/dime # adsl-setup  Welcome to the ADSL client setup.  First, I will run some checks on your system to make sure the PPPoE client is installed properly...  ** /etc/sysc
[11:42] <scoon> D|m3, i don't run adsl so I can't help you.  if no one answers it tends to mean that they can't help you either.
[11:42] <randabis> SirFred, yeah as long as they use gtk+ iirc
[11:42] <D|m3> ok
[11:42] <davyd> pppoeconf didn't work?
[11:42] <davyd> man
[11:42] <scoon> SirFred, i think i may look at the changelog for the newer version and see if smb support has been added.
[11:42] <SirFred> randabis: That's not working.
[11:42] <randabis> weird
[11:42] <randabis> dunno
[11:43] <SirFred> scoon: But the point is that the smb support is only needed on gnome-vfs2
[11:43] <will> D|m3: is your adsl connection over cat5?
[11:43] <SirFred> scoon: That should be enough.
[11:43] <scoon> SirFred, understood.  but that is not what is happening here.
[11:44] <D|m3> i don't know :) The ADSL modem is connected on a HUB and frem the Hub all PCs are connected
[11:44] <davyd> D|m3: is it a modem or a router?
[11:44] <D|m3> modem
[11:44] <SirFred> scoon: Perhaps you should file a bug.
[11:44] <davyd> D|m3: then what you are doing seems a bit weird
[11:44] <D|m3> what?
[11:45] <D|m3> i don't speak english very well :)
[11:45] <scoon> SirFred, maybe.  I am not quite certain where it will be approp to do so.  with gnome-vfs or every other music player.
[11:45] <scoon> SirFred, i wonder what kde does w/ this stuff.
[11:45] <davyd> D|m3: usually you would have your modem on the other side of a router (ie. your linux box) from your hub
[11:45] <SirFred> scoon: Not sure.
[11:45] <scoon> SirFred, i will figure that out as time goes on.
[11:45] <davyd> D|m3: assuming your modem is in "bridged mode" you should be able to run pppoeconf and see the access concentrator
[11:45] <randabis> audacity rocks :p
[11:46] <randabis> my records come out very nicely
[11:46] <SirFred> I've tried to drop the mounted volume folder to the gtk+ file selector.
[11:46] <randabis> recordings even
[11:46] <D|m3> i run the pppoeconf
[11:46] <SirFred> error accessing 'x-nautilus-desktop:///orballo.volume': The URI is not valid
[11:46] <davyd> if you can't see an access concentrator, something is wrong: either your modem is not in bridged mode, or it's your LAN setup (which sounds strange)
[11:46] <magnon> randabis: although the overall sound quality of the recordings rarely have something to do with anything else than the sound card :)
[11:46] <randabis> scoon, you could file the bug as UNKNOWN
[11:47] <randabis> magnon, yeah true...audigy 1 does fairly well with a good microphone
[11:47] <scoon> randabis, that sounds like it could get flushed down the bug toilet
[11:47] <scoon> randabis, i will try and figure it out better as i go.
[11:47] <randabis> lol
[11:47] <SirFred> scoon: Or just on the component you've found the bug. One not from universe or multiverse.
[11:48] <scoon> SirFred, yes but that is a limited way of fixing the bug. i would like to know if it is a gnome-vfs problem or not.
[11:48] <SirFred> scoon: So, file the bug on gnome-vfs2
[11:48] <scoon> SirFred, but frankly i am not at the point where i care about the bug so much.
[11:48] <SirFred> scoon: The gnome-vfs2 maintainer should know if it's a problem on gnome-vfs2 or not.
[11:48] <magnon> randabis: that fact is fortunate though, because you can get a good recording out of all the existing linux sound tools if you're having a good sound card. And the number of tools are many, and they're scattered. Not all of high quality either.
[11:49] <SirFred> scoon: I recommend you to take a time searching on the bugzilla, before firing the bug.
[11:49] <vi11e> can I resize my swap drive in windows with partition magic ?
[11:49] <scoon> SirFred, that is what i'd do when i get there.
[11:49] <isah> hi, i have a big problem: i configured my ati driver, but if i make "startx" it says can't find your mouse, where can i see whats the name of my mouse?
[11:49] <vi11e> is there a uplimit for swap drive size?
[11:49] <randabis> magnon, yeah I've had good luck with audacity so far...I have ardour too but haven't played with it yet
[11:50] <magnon> ardour was useless the last time I tried it
[11:50] <magnon> but that's long ago
[11:50] <randabis> I have a ton of effects plugins to play with now too
[11:50] <magnon> it crashed every two minutes
[11:50] <randabis> hehe
[11:51] <davyd> vi11e: yes you can resize it
[11:51] <davyd> vi11e: 2x your RAM is a good size
[11:52] <randabis> I've heard a lot of good things about it...I'm gonna mess with it eventually, but audacity really has me satisfied so far...kinda reminders me of cool edit pro with an ugly gtk1 interface
[11:53] <magnon> vi11e: if you have several disks, putting a swap partition on a different one too might not be a bad idea
[11:53] <klaym> is there a decent videoplayer for ubuntu (apt-gettable) that would also include all the needed codecs without need to install those
[11:53] <randabis> not likely
[11:54] <randabis> installing the codecs is just an apt-get away if you set up marillat anyway
[11:54] <randabis> I usually just add marillat's repos to sources.list, apt-get update, install the codecs and libdvdcss2, then remove marillat's repos and apt-get update again
[11:55] <randabis> in gentoo I just emerge mplayer :p
[11:55] <isah> cant anybody help me to find to correct path to my mouse?
[11:55] <klaym> what does apt-get update actually do?
[11:56] <randabis> it syncs your apt-cache to the latest versions of your repository packages
[11:56] <randabis> it's equivalent to emerge sync in gentoo
[11:57] <randabis> man apt-get can probably explain it a little better
[11:58] <klaym> okay
[11:58] <klaym> and apt-get upgrade is like actually updating the system, instead of only the source lists?
[11:58] <randabis> yes
[11:58] <klaym> ok I got wiser now
[11:59] <randabis> but sometimes it will hold packages back and that can be good or bad depending on what you're trying to do
[11:59] <randabis> apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade regardless..no packages get held back
[12:00] <randabis> it's also called smart upgrade in synaptic
[12:00] <vi11e> what's the command for viewing information of harddiskz
[12:00] <vi11e> not df but some other
[12:00] <klaym> dist-upgrade is like a forced update? I thought it meant upgrading the distro (from warty to hoary or something)
[12:01] <klaym> I think I'll read the apt-get faq
[12:01] <randabis> yeah good idea
[12:01] <randabis> but yeah it's basically a forced update
[12:01] <randabis> that's why it is used when upgrading distro
[12:02] <mz2> hmm
[12:02] <mz2> just installed hoary
[12:02] <rubixXx> man tonight was rough
[12:02] <rubixXx> my roommate totaled his girl's car, got hit by a drunk driver, left in an ambulence, then when he got outta the hospitol he went to jail
[12:03] <mz2> i don't like that debian menu that it put inside my gnome menu
[12:03] <randabis> :(
[12:03] <randabis> how did HE get put in jail?
[12:03] <randabis> mz2 remove menus then
[12:03] <randabis> I think that's the package anyway
[12:03] <randabis> might be debian-menu...not sure
[12:03] <mz2> which package provides that?
[12:03] <mz2> ok
[12:04] <randabis> I'd apt-cache search menu and see if anything comes up..or check synaptic
[12:04] <mz2> but other than that, this looks promising :)
[12:04] <randabis> yeah hoary rocks
[12:04] <mz2> now if only the workspace switcher and the window list would support transparency somehow :)
[12:05] <klaym> is realplayer any good for playing all kinds of videoformats?
[12:05] <Xappe> no, go for mplayer or vlc instead
[12:05] <klaym> it's 'suggested' on ubuntuguide
[12:05] <randabis> wish it was as fast as my gentoo install, but that's to be expected
[12:06] <rubixXx> randabis, he had a municipal warrent for battery thats like almost a year old
[12:06] <randabis> rubixXx, ouch
[12:06] <mz2> well at least it's not as buggy as fedora is because it tries to be superfast with prelink :)
[12:06] <randabis> mz2, the base hoary binaries ARE prelinked iirc
[12:06] <mz2> randabis, well exactly, it does work in ubuntu and it certainly doesn't in fedora :)
[12:07] <randabis> I know that ubuntu does do "some" prelinking, but not everything is prelinked
[12:07] <randabis> like if you install new things...none of those are prelinked
[12:07] <randabis> unless you do it yourself
[12:07] <rubixXx> can sum1 dcc me the win32codec's package, apt-get can't find it (yes i have apt-get update and have all the mirrors)
[12:07] <mz2> and am glad everything isn't, because for example w32codecs cause all sorts of trouble with mplayer if mplayer has been prelinked, to name one example
[12:08] <klaym> rubixxx: it's w32codecs, not win32codecs
[12:08] <rubixXx> yea
[12:08] <rubixXx> thats what i meant
[12:08] <randabis> rubixXx, why not just get them from the mplayer site?
[12:08] <klaym> it will find them with sudo apt-get intall w32codecs, I know cos I'm just installing it myself
[12:08] <randabis> all you have to do is extract them to /usr/lib/win32
[12:08] <rubixXx> ok they are installed
[12:08] <rubixXx> nm thats wierd
[12:09] <randabis> klaym, that's only if you change your repositories
[12:09] <klaym> yes but I assume rubixxx has the repositories suggested at ubuntuguide
[12:09] <randabis> remember to change it back after you're done so you don't break the whole system with an apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade
[12:10] <rubixXx> klaym, i do
[12:10] <rubixXx> klaym, i just isntalled mplayer, it gave me the codecs
[12:10] <randabis> you have to take EXTREME caution when mixing repositories created for other debians
[12:10] <klaym> why is that
[12:11] <klaym> :P
[12:11] <randabis> klaym, because you can bork your system if you aren't careful
[12:11] <randabis> you should only use ubuntu repositories as much as possible
[12:11] <randabis> damn netsplit
[12:11] <danielbo> php4 4.3.10-2ubuntu2 has a bug. It was compiled with  --with-pcre-regex=/usr and it should be  --with-pcre-regex instead. This breaks most complicated php apps
[12:12] <randabis> danielbo, file a bug
[12:12] <danielbo> deal
[12:12] <rubixXx> is the xchat-systray on apt-get?
[12:12] <randabis> dunno...that's probably just a script from scripts.xchat.org
[12:13] <randabis> or .com...can't remember
[12:13] <zeedo> rubixXx: nope, just download the .deb
[12:16] <linusthepenguin> how do I install and setup cgi?
[12:17] <D|m3> hi
[12:17] <D|m3> again
[12:17] <D|m3> :)
[12:17] <rubixXx> linusthepenguin, first you have to install cgi then set it up
[12:18] <linusthepenguin> Got any guides to setting it up?
[12:18] <mz2> hmm
[12:18] <mz2> OO.o 2 looks ugly as hell
[12:18] <stuNNed> lol
[12:18] <linusthepenguin> I got it installed...
[12:18] <stuNNed> use gnumeric/abiword
[12:18] <linusthepenguin> php4-cgi
[12:18] <mz2> i probably need to install some sort of gnome integration to it
[12:19] <D|m3> who was the man who helped me just a few minutes ago?:)
[12:19] <D|m3> i forgot the nick
[12:19] <D|m3> :)
[12:19] <linusthepenguin> rubixXx, any guides to setting up cgi?
[12:19] <acs> read the log
[12:19] <acs> lol
[12:19] <rubixXx> linusthepenguin, one moment
[12:19] <D|m3> i don't have any saved logs
[12:19] <D|m3> :)
[12:19] <mz2> such a lot snappier than 1.1 though, and opens up a few problematic MS Office files a lot better
[12:20] <mz2> ahh, much better, the openoffice.org2-gnome package helped :)
[12:20] <rubixXx> linusthepenguin, http://www.aboutdebian.com/internet.htm
[12:27] <Dreamer3> the world sleepeth
[12:27] <Dreamer3> mz2: from where?
[12:27] <mz2> Dreamer3, how do you mean?
[12:28] <Dreamer3> mz2: are you on hoary or warty?
[12:28] <mz2> hoary
[12:28] <SirFred> That  xchat-systray is great.
[12:28] <Dreamer3> mz2: ah
[12:29] <Dreamer3> mz2: i'd love to try it, but oh well
[12:29] <mz2> hmm, i got calc to crash already... so with this limited experience, i wouldn't really recommend this just yet :)
[12:31] <HurL3y[Clan> Hi everyone !!
[12:31] <linusthepenguin> I'm trying to have cgi scripts run outside of usr/lib/cgi-bin/, how do I do that?
[12:31] <stuNNed> linusthepenguin: you symlink it?
[12:32] <linusthepenguin> How can do I do that? (n00b)
[12:32] <HurL3y[Clan> so here is the place to come to get help with ubuntu
[12:34] <HurL3y[Clan> so here is my problem ...is there a way that i would get information on how to partition with ubuntu
[12:35] <Xappe> qtparted?
[12:35] <randabis> mz2 oo.o period in ubuntu sucks for some reason
[12:35] <HurL3y[Clan> no partman
[12:35] <randabis> it's very unstable for me
[12:35] <randabis> gparted > qtparted :p
[12:35] <Dreamer3> randabis: were you the one who was going to work on xfce?
[12:36] <Xappe> randabis, never used any of them so i dodn't know
[12:36] <randabis> Dreamer3, going to work on xfce? what do you mean?
[12:36] <Dreamer3> randabis: maybe it wasn't you
[12:36] <Dreamer3> someone was setting upa  wiki to discuss integrating xfce fully into ubunutu
[12:36] <randabis> what did you mean though? like making debs for it?
[12:36] <randabis> oh
[12:37] <randabis> wasn't me, but it's a good idea
[12:37] <Dreamer3> randabis: more than making debs, ubuntizing it... i wanted to check out ht epage when it wa sup to see what that meant exactly
[12:37] <Dreamer3> crimsun: hey, is the xfce page up yet?
[12:37] <randabis> shouldn't be hard...xfce already follows gnome's menus fairly well
[12:38] <randabis> you'd just need to get things like esd setup
[12:38] <ep6678> Hey all, got  a DVD question.
[12:38] <ep6678> I've installed libdvdcss2, and it allows me to play dvd's, my question is that for some reason, it will only play new dvds
[12:39] <SirFred> randabis: And what about the hald , pmount and friends integration.
[12:39] <ep6678> is there another library that allows for me to read :the older encryption
[12:39] <SirFred> randabis: It should be great.
[12:39] <ep6678> I am getting sound, but no picture on older dvds
[12:39] <SirFred> ep6678: Which player?
[12:40] <ep6678> totem right now.  Any better choices?
[12:40] <SirFred> ep6678: totem-gstreamer?
[12:40] <SirFred> ep6678: It doesn't work for me. Try with totem-xine.
[12:41] <SirFred> Anyway, I haven't tried totem-gstreamer for a while.
[12:41] <randabis> SirFred, I said "things like" :p
[12:41] <SirFred> Perhaps it's useful now.
[12:41] <ep6678> I'm using xine
[12:41] <ep6678> or totem xine
[12:41] <SirFred> randabis: :)
[12:43] <zzyber> im thinking to switch from gentoo to ubuntu becouse of portage en emerge (not binary). I wounder, what flavor should i have, can i use debian repositories or am i boude to ubuntus? How about xorg?
[12:43] <ep6678> debian repos are not supported, but open to apt
[12:44] <Dreamer3> zzyber: warty, yes but be careful, in hoary
[12:44] <ep6678> my hoary experience wasn't good, won't be going back until it's official.  My display just didn't work.
[12:45] <ep6678> Loved the interface though.  Very smooth running.
[12:45] <SirFred> ep6678: What's your display?
[12:45] <zzyber> are u guys running kde or gnome in ubuntu?
[12:45] <darkkyo> how can i verify if i have xorg under my ubuntu
[12:45] <ep6678> gnome
[12:45] <Dreamer3> zzyber: gnome, kde isn't officially supported
[12:45] <zzyber> good
[12:45] <darkkyo> i have change my sources.list and i use apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:45] <Dreamer3> darkkyo: if you have hoary you do
[12:45] <zzyber> i dont like kde
[12:46] <SirFred> darkkyo: dpkg -l xserver-xorg
[12:46] <darkkyo> ok thanks
[12:46] <SirFred> ii  xserver-xorg   6.8.1-1ubuntu1 the X.Org X server
[12:46] <darkkyo> ok
[12:46] <ep6678> so...any ideas on my dvd issue?
[12:46] <universal> hi all
[12:47] <darkkyo> i use the cd array 4 but it's bug for me
[12:47] <darkkyo> now i have installed woary after i update to hoary
[12:48] <darkkyo> xserver-xorg is not installed O_
[12:48] <ep6678> found a plugin for mplayer that allows for dvd playback supposedly, going to give that a try
[12:48] <randabis> zzyber, you'll want to use ubuntu hoary
[12:48] <randabis> it'll suit you well coming from portage
[12:49] <randabis> I'm currently using both gentoo and ubuntu
[12:49] <zzyber> randabis, is that stable enough?
[12:49] <randabis> I have them share /home /boot and swap so it's easy to maintain
[12:49] <acs> I heard gentoo was a pain to install
[12:49] <universal> can someone tell me what to do, when i would like keybinmdings for 3ddesktop?
[12:49] <randabis> zzyber, sure not any less stable than portage is at any given time
[12:50] <randabis> hoary would be kinda like passing ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86 " to your make.conf
[12:50] <randabis> so in other words...
[12:51] <tuppa> hrm
[12:51] <zzyber> randabis, so how do i install hoary? Do i install warty then change source.list and do an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:51] <randabis> overall the system is pretty stable, but you might get breakage from time to time...but you're going at a good time
[12:51] <tuppa> disappearing text on Hoary amd64...
[12:51] <tuppa> in GNOME
[12:51] <randabis> hoary is almost finished
[12:51] <randabis> so it's stabilized a lot
[12:51] <universal> whats the differences
[12:51] <randabis> zzyber, just use a hoary snapshot iso or array 4
[12:52] <Xappe> the weekends feels boring nowadays. only very few updates for my Hoary (myy prrrrescious)
[12:52] <zzyber> randabis, okey, tnx
[12:52] <SirFred> Xappe: :) That's right.
[12:52] <SirFred> Xappe: I have a synaptic dependency.
[12:52] <haggai> mz2: I'm just getting a new OOo2 package ready for upload now
[12:53] <randabis> zzyber, get it from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary
[12:53] <universal> randabis, do you know about hotplug as linux boots up?
[12:53] <ep6678> If going with hoary, for whatever reason, when I installed array 4, it worked great, but after shutting down and restarting, it would not start X
[12:53] <randabis> Xappe, that's cause feature freeze has happened and things are starting to wrap up
[12:53] <mz2> haggai, for hoary?
[12:54] <randabis> universal, somewhat
[12:54] <mz2> gdesklets are nice
[12:54] <randabis> mz2, yes...warty will never get oo.o2
[12:54] <zzyber> whatis array 1 2 3 4 ?
[12:54] <mz2> in hoary they even work
[12:54] <haggai> mz2: yes
[12:54] <randabis> zzyber, milestone releases
[12:54] <Xappe> randabis, yes, and I guess the developers need some time off too :)
[12:54] <mz2> that's what i thought too :)
[12:54] <zzyber> randabis, akey
[12:54] <randabis> zzyber, either get array 4 or current
[12:54] <SirFred> The gnome integration on OOo2 was unusable the last time I tried.
[12:54] <universal> its because my computer says fatal error, modprobe hw.random.ko
[12:54] <randabis> current is the latest, array 4 is pretty recent too though
[12:54] <zzyber> randabis, isnt that the same?
[12:54] <SirFred> Some menues were like crap
[12:55] <randabis> zzyber, see above
[12:55] <haggai> SirFred: please file some bugs so I have an idea of where the problems are
[12:55] <randabis> current might currently be array 4...not sure
[12:55] <SirFred> haggai: Well, it seemed just a problem of font size.
[12:55] <zzyber> isnt there any p4 optimized or i686 distributions?
[12:55] <SirFred> haggai: But I'm not sure, it segsfault a little after.
[12:56] <daleboRt> universal, I get the same, but for 3 or 4 modules, on boootup
[12:56] <SirFred> haggai: I can try again, and file some bug if you wish.
[12:56] <universal> ok, hmm, u think its a bug?
[12:56] <randabis> zzyber, no...for compatibility it is i386...you can get architecture optimized kernels though for it
[12:56] <SirFred> haggai: I'm not using it really anyway, I was just curious about it's state.
[12:56] <randabis> kernel images that is
[12:56] <randabis> precompiled
[12:56] <zzyber> so i can forget k3b or does it install?
[12:57] <randabis> zzyber, it's in universe and you can install it
[12:57] <daleboRt> universal, I get an error right at the very start of bootup, about plugnplay, you get that?
[12:57] <haggai> SirFred: we're considering putting it in the desktop task instead of oo1
[12:57] <SirFred> haggai: Humm, so...
[12:57] <SirFred> haggai: I should better file those bugs.
[12:57] <haggai> SirFred: at the moment I am not getting any feedback about it
[12:57] <haggai> SirFred: yes :)
[12:57] <SirFred> haggai: I discovered its existence a week ago.
[12:57] <SirFred> Well, I'm going to try.
[12:57] <haggai> yeah I will announce the new upload more widely
[12:57] <randabis> zzyber, another thing to know is that ubuntu's kernels make heavy use of modules...if you don't like that you need to roll your own kernel...but in debian kernel compiles are not done the same way as in gentoo
[12:58] <zzyber> randabis, ubuntu sounds great! I have been on debian alot and now on gentoo but everyone it talking ubunto so im courious
[12:58] <SirFred> But it's such a beast. I'm "only" 512Mb RAM. And I'm compiling some opemembedded stuff.
[12:58] <randabis> zzyber, I like it a lot
[12:58] <universal> daleboRt, i dont think its in the very start, but its there when the hotplug is initializing
[12:58] <randabis> gentoo is still faster than hoary overall though
[12:58] <scoon> randabis, what are your benchmarks
[12:58] <scoon> ?
[12:59] <SirFred> randabis: Perhaps I'm mistaken, but warty seemed faster that hoary.
[12:59] <scoon> randabis, i disagree w/ that.
[12:59] <daleboRt> universal, I get one at the very start about plug and play, and a few in the hotplug. But everything seems to work okay anyway.
[12:59] <SirFred> Perhaps I don't remember how fast was warty.
[12:59] <randabis> I haven't benchmarked...I'm going by my own experience in general use
[12:59] <scoon> randabis, my use shows the exact opposite.
[12:59] <randabis> I don't know of anything to benchmark with in linux for one
[12:59] <scoon> randabis, but that is not fair.
[12:59] <scoon> randabis, and should not be stated.
[12:59] <universal> yeah exactly, everything works fine, hmm, its just wierd
[01:00] <universal> daleboRt,  have u 3ddesk installed?
[01:00] <randabis> scoon, well I should clarify then...I just meant that my gentoo feels faster than my hoary
[01:00] <scoon> randabis, i ran gentoo for 18months and i was an emerge-a-holic
[01:00] <randabis> things load quicker etc
[01:00] <daleboRt> universal, I installed it and removed it. It was happening both before and after.
[01:00] <scoon> randabis, that was a hard habbit to quit
[01:00] <scoon> randabis, yea, i don't notice that at all.
[01:01] <randabis> heh I'm emerging -uDv --newuse world as we speak lol
[01:01] <randabis> over halfway done :p
[01:01] <scoon> randabis, i have found that compiling much more than kernels is pretty much a big waste.
[01:01] <stuNNed> randabis: can we say #gentoo-* ?
[01:01] <universal> daleboRt, ok, so u dont have any clue to how this problem can be fixed?
[01:01] <randabis> can we say I am already in #gentoo
[01:02] <randabis> I use both
[01:02] <daleboRt> universal, not a clue
[01:02] <stuNNed> can we say STFU about it here?
[01:02] <Killian> goodmorning
[01:02] <zzyber> i have used a lot of different flavors of linux and i must say that none can compare to gentoo in speed so i dought that ubuntu could compare in speed on any level
[01:02] <randabis> can we see drop the attitude?
[01:02] <scoon> randabis, i would be curious as to find a compare with gentoo-ppc and ubuntu-ppc
[01:02] <randabis> yeah that could be interesting
[01:03] <martin> hi, do anybody know where i can find my gaim user files?
[01:03] <scoon> anyone care to take a stab and compare gentoo/ubuntu ppc
[01:03] <scoon> ?
[01:03] <Killian> scoon, so far i really like ppc ubuntu
[01:03] <Killian> havent tried gentoo ppc yet tho
[01:03] <scoon> Killian, thanks
[01:03] <IamJacksUsername> Ubuntu 5.04 array 3.5 live CD i386: Created a folder called "suse" in /home/ubuntu and then ran
[01:03] <randabis> heh I'm connected to that server that keeps netsplitting and it hasn't disconnected me once
[01:03] <IamJacksUsername> mount -r -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/suse/
[01:04] <IamJacksUsername> which reports
[01:04] <SirFred> haggai: This is not a bug, but I have to say that the splash screen sucks.
[01:04] <IamJacksUsername> mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/suse/ busy
[01:04] <universal> randabis, a thing about themes in gnome. as i download a theme.tar.bz file, how the to install it right?
[01:04] <IamJacksUsername> I can't see hda1 in /mnt/ or (like my usb stick) on the desktop, and I don't know what the busy might mean. Is my mount command correct?
[01:04] <Killian> scoon: some glitches in ubuntu-PPC, but nothing tooo terrible.
[01:04] <SirFred> haggai: With that childish X on the 1.0 version.
[01:04] <randabis> universal, use gnome-theme-manager
[01:04] <scoon> Killian, such as ?
[01:04] <randabis> it has a button that says "install theme"
[01:04] <scoon> Killian, i am thinking about getting an ibook and am just curious
[01:04] <Xappe> universal, unpack it in .themes in your home dir
[01:04] <SirFred> haggai: Is that supposed to be the final splash screen ?
[01:04] <randabis> click that and point it to the tar.bz2
[01:05] <randabis> SirFred, that's not something haggai did at the very least...:p
[01:05] <randabis> it's in the official source
[01:05] <randabis> I guess they are just doing that for the betas
[01:05] <randabis> I would HOPE anyway
[01:05] <Xappe> universal, or do it the point and click way that never worked for me in Hoary
[01:06] <randabis> Xappe, that's the way I do it (.themes)
[01:06] <randabis> :)
[01:06] <Killian> scoon: synaptic glitches when you open up "universal" packages : my bus speed isnt being read right, and from what ive noted, : any HFS+ hdd <apple native> reads a bit slow if mounted w. Music/media
[01:06] <universal> ok, hmm,
[01:06] <SirFred> randabis: Yes, I now.
[01:06] <randabis> it's retarded though...I agree
[01:07] <scoon> Killian, that hfs could be problematic
[01:07] <randabis> looks awful
[01:07] <scoon> Killian, do you dual boot ?
[01:07] <Killian> scoon: a buddy of mine told me Gentoo runs real good on his Powerbook : he was dualbooted w. OSX :
[01:07] <universal> but is the theme-manager the one in the bar?
[01:07] <Killian> yes scoon: im dualbooted
[01:07] <SirFred> I tried Gentoo a while ago.
[01:07] <universal> or something i should write in commandline?
[01:07] <haggai> SirFred: yes it's unmodified.  I can't do everything and have to prioritise.  They are running a contest for the new splash screen so there's not much point in doing anything at the moment
[01:07] <SirFred> It's not practial for me, with a Pentium III 700.
[01:07] <SirFred> haggai: Ok.
[01:07] <Xappe> univeral, yes it's in the menus somewhere
[01:07] <scoon> Killian, thnks.
[01:08] <randabis> universal, which ubuntu you running? in warty it is in the computer menu...desktop in hoary
[01:08] <scoon> Killian, yeah i don't think that i would dual boot. not a big osx fan really.
[01:08] <SirFred> haggai: I'm seeing now the problem. The checkboxes on the option dialogs are overlapping the text.
[01:08] <randabis> SirFred, haha
[01:08] <scoon> have it here @ home and don't use it.
[01:08] <SirFred> haggai: I think that I could send a shot and attatch it to the bug report.
[01:08] <universal> yeh, its warty
[01:09] <randabis> My athlon xp 3200+ handles compiles rather well
[01:09] <SirFred> On Gentoo, the versions of the packages was evolving faster than my machine compiling them.
[01:09] <randabis> I can bootstrap in under 2 hours
[01:09] <Killian> scoon: i find i like osx on a >1ghz cpu. anything less is questionable
[01:09] <SirFred> My machine was day and night compiling.
[01:09] <randabis> hah
[01:09] <universal> randabis, but somehow when i install themes from the manager, the icons from the theme dont show
[01:09] <SirFred> But I have to say that it was the fastest gnome I had.
[01:09] <SirFred> Compared with debian sid one.
[01:10] <universal> randabis, only the windows....
[01:10] <zzyber> how is ppc compared to intel when using linux?
[01:10] <scoon> Killian, my girl has a powerbook and i'd love to put linux on it but she uses it for her work and i don't want to make that harder for her.
[01:10] <randabis> universal, might have to go to the advaned properties and install the icons
[01:10] <scoon> Killian, but osx i don't like so much.
[01:10] <randabis> SirFred, yeah my gnome in gentoo does feel faster than hoary's
[01:10] <randabis> well everything does really
[01:10] <kbrooks> I have a problem with ubuntu.
[01:11] <scoon> randabis, i'd bet that is only becuase you waited 3 days biting your nails hoping that it would work :)
[01:11] <randabis> no
[01:11] <haggai> SirFred: ah, great yes please file and attach a screen shot.  If you did anything to the theme or fonts that is different to the default please mention that too so it is possible to reproduce your problem
[01:11] <universal> randabis, hmmm
[01:11] <Killian> zzyber: its basically comparing RISC to x86 : A classic battle of good vs. evil <you decide which is which> ;)
[01:11] <randabis> I started stage one on thursday at about 2 am
[01:11] <randabis> I had a fully functional gnome in under 13 hours
[01:12] <kbrooks> I cannot start gnome, or fvwm. i even tried to upgrade to hoary yesterdat, but that exited with a error
[01:12] <universal> randabis, actually i should drag the icon-file into the .themes=?
[01:12] <Xappe> .icons