[04:40] <zul> @schedule montreal
[04:40] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 09 Aug 17:00: Kubuntu | 10 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu
[08:50] <mdz> sfllaw,BenC,rodarvus,infinity,ogra,mvo,pitti,Kamion,Riddell,dholbach,iwj,Keybuk,seb128,doko,heno: ping
[08:50] <doko> pong
[08:50] <dholbach> mdz: pong
[08:50] <mvo> good morning mdz
[08:51] <sfllaw> mdz: Pong.
[08:51] <pitti> Hi
[08:51] <rodarvus> mdz, pong
[08:54] <Riddell> pong
[08:58] <mdz> BenC,infinit,Kamion,iwj,Keybuk,heno: 2 minutes
[08:59] <cyphase> there needs to be a meeting bot
[08:59] <cyphase> ;)
[08:59] <cyphase> to handle all the pings/pongs
[09:00] <fschoep> Good morning everyone.
[09:00] <pitti> hi fschoep
[09:00] <imbrandon> heh
[09:00] <imbrandon> that was fast
[09:00] <mdz> hmm, fschoep needed to leave early and so wanted to go first
[09:00] <mdz> but I didn't think quite this early
[09:00] <imbrandon> haha
[09:00] <zul> morning
[09:01] <mdz> fschoep: you wanted to go first, yes?
[09:01] <fschoep> No that was last time.
[09:01] <fschoep> I've got a long day ahead of me.
[09:01] <fschoep> But no problem anyway -
[09:01] <fschoep> Done:
[09:01] <fschoep> * wide-theme-selector: updated spec, can someone take a peek?
[09:01] <fschoep> * art-polish-human-icons: finish list of icons that need work
[09:01] <fschoep> Ongoing:
[09:01] <fschoep> * ubuntu-art-login-manager, ubuntu-art-login-splash, ubuntu-art-usplash, ubuntu-art-wallpaper: cull proposals, choose direction
[09:01] <fschoep> * art-polish-human-gtk-theme: identify areas for improvement, now with community backing till 10th of August
[09:01] <fschoep> * ubuntu-art-complete-highcontrast-icons, : find and document icons which need work
[09:01] <fschoep> In the spotlight this week:
[09:01] <fschoep> * several sound engineers joined the art mailing list, sounds like good news
[09:01] <fschoep> Questions from Theme Teams and community:
[09:01] <fschoep> * Are the Tango icons going to be included in Edgy by default?
[09:02] <mdz> fschoep: have you heard from kwwii?
[09:02] <zakame> hi all
[09:02] <fschoep> two times this week, regarding Wiesbaden and media artwork.
[09:02] <fschoep> I haven't heard him about (not) attending this meeting though.
[09:02] <mdz> fschoep: do you have an idea when artwork will start to land in edgy?
[09:02] <fschoep> Yes, sure.
[09:03] <fschoep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan
[09:03] <mdz> fschoep: starting this week then?
[09:04] <fschoep> Not really. It's a bit more complicated - shall I elaborate here?
[09:04] <mdz> no, please mail
[09:04] <mdz> thanks fschoep
[09:04] <fschoep> Anyone else interested?
[09:04] <mdz> sfllaw: next
[09:04] <dholbach> fschoep: you can include me in the loop
[09:04] <fschoep> Can someone please answer whether or not Tango icons are included by default in Edgy?
[09:05] <rodarvus> fschoep, please CC me
[09:05] <mdz> sfllaw: hello?
[09:05] <dholbach> fschoep: Mark made the decision last time, but let's move the discussion to #ubuntu-devel or something
[09:05] <rodarvus> I'm interested to hear to pass information to edubuntu artowrk
[09:05] <Kamion> on my way, just charging through the excess scrollback I have here - had to pick up the child from his dad's
[09:05] <rodarvus> s/$/team/
[09:05] <fschoep> dholbach:, rodarvus: check
[09:06] <mdz> fschoep: just send to -devel so everyone is in the loop
[09:06] <ogra> fschoep, me too please (edubuntu)
[09:06] <Kamion> (made it)
[09:06] <ogra> even better
[09:06] <fschoep> mdz: ogra: check
[09:06] <mdz> sfllaw: if you fell asleep in your chair, ping when you wake up
[09:06] <mdz> rodarvus: next
[09:07] <rodarvus> Done:
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * Finished update of X.Org video drivers
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * Mucho work on X bugs (mainly xorg-server & drivers + escalated support bugs)
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * Large Edubuntu/OLPC Administrativia
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * Investigated X.Org patches from Fedora (turned out to be not so many, but at least half a dozen apper to be quite valuable)
[09:07] <rodarvus> ToDo:
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * More bugs
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * Finish implementation of fully-automatic-swap-server
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * Work on OLPC if time permits
[09:07] <mdz> rodarvus: X has settled out OK on my hardware;  is there much more on your todo list there?
[09:07] <rodarvus> X.Org transition is basically completed, barriing known bugs
[09:07] <mdz> ok
[09:08] <rodarvus> mdz, I have about two or three more bugx on xorg-srever
[09:08] <rodarvus> and two nasty font-related bugs
[09:08] <rodarvus> more stuff for drivers, but these are really hard to track
[09:08] <mdz> thanks rodarvus
[09:08] <rodarvus> thank you
[09:08] <mdz> rodarvus: best to get the driver bugs forwarded upstream
[09:08] <mdz> ogra: next
[09:08] <rodarvus> *nods*
[09:09] <ogra> * this-week:
[09:09] <ogra>  - setting up ltsp lab
[09:09] <ogra>  - started thinclient-local-devices
[09:09] <ogra>  - started student-control-panel-completion
[09:09] <ogra>  - move done ! (only need to find my stuff in this 100s of boxes now)
[09:09] <ogra>  - screensaver for dapper-updates
[09:09] <ogra> * next-week:
[09:09] <ogra>  - knot2 (or point release ?)
[09:09] <ogra>  - hunting ltsp bugs
[09:09] <ogra>  - more thinclient-local-devices
[09:09] <ogra>  - student-control-panel-completion
[09:09] <ogra> * specs:
[09:09] <ogra>  - student-control-panel-completion: (waiting for approval, started)
[09:09] <ogra>  - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (in progress, needs spec additions (to be discussed with elmo))
[09:09] <ogra>  - ltsp-convergence: (no progress)
[09:09] <ogra>  - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (no progress)
[09:09] <ogra>  - thinclient-local-devices (started)
[09:09] <Kamion> ogra: knot2/point-release> both, I hope ...
[09:10] <ogra> i'd like to mention that i'll likely be in michigan in sept for a ltsp hackfest for ltsp-convergence
[09:10] <ogra> Kamion, ugh ...
[09:10] <ogra> thats haevy testing stuff
[09:10] <mdz> ogra: ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration?
[09:10] <ogra> *heavy
[09:10] <ogra> whoops, lost in the c&p
[09:10] <Kamion> ogra: noted, but probably needs to be done anyway; I don't plan to do them on the same day or anything!
[09:10] <ogra> ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration (not started yet)
[09:10] <mdz> ogra: LP says Started
[09:11] <ogra> well, i have some code, but its not in yet and i didnt work further one it
[09:11] <ogra> *on
[09:11] <mdz> ok, so not resumed yet ;-)
[09:11] <ogra> (started in dapper)
[09:11] <ogra> yeah :)
[09:11] <mdz> thanks ogra
[09:11] <mdz> mvo: next
[09:11] <mvo> Did:
[09:11] <mvo> - Summer of code mentoring
[09:11] <mvo> - 3rd party software stuff
[09:11] <mvo> - update-manager work:
[09:11] <mvo>   * initial dist-upgrader version for dapper->edgy
[09:11] <mvo>   * display where a update comes from [update-manager-edgy]
[09:11] <mvo> - gnome-app-install work:
[09:11] <mvo>   * rewrote the desktop/icon extraction to better support kde and re-run it on the archive
[09:12] <mvo>   * profiling/caching (not that much progress yet)
[09:12] <mvo> - misc (gksu, apt-listchange, lp)
[09:12] <mvo> - send translated-package-descriptions custom launchpad upload script to cprov for inclusion (available on dogfood already) [apt-ddtp]
[09:12] <mvo> - uploaded new software-properties that implementes "easy-popcon-pariticipation" (via Statistics tab)
[09:12] <mvo> Will do:
[09:12] <mvo> - more 3rd party software (press-release pending)
[09:12] <mvo> -  look into what aptitudes needs to natively work with the new apt auto-remove
[09:12] <mvo> - gnome-app-install work (speedup, more popcon support)
[09:12] <seb128> hi
[09:12] <ogra> mdz, oh, sorry o also forgot about SoC, willowng had its first upload
[09:12] <ogra> s/o/i/
[09:13] <mdz> mvo: ok, great, thanks
[09:13] <mvo> thank you
[09:13] <mdz> pitti: next
[09:13] <pitti> Done:
[09:13] <pitti>  * security updates: thunderbird/enigmail, gnupg, tiff
[09:13] <pitti>  * automated-problem-reports:
[09:13] <pitti>   - discussed UI frontend with mpt, who gave me a complete redesign which is really pleasing now (thank you!)
[09:13] <pitti>   - implemented new UI design, uploaded
[09:13] <pitti>   - backend is BLOCKED: needs changed kernel implementation of crash dump helper calling
[09:13] <pitti>  * pkg-create-dbgsym: deployed on the buildds and active during package builds; fixed a few bugs which caused FTBFS (.ddebs are thrown away ATM, though)
[09:13] <sfllaw> mdz: Ping.
[09:13] <pitti>  * interviewed security engineer applicants; very good candidates amongst them, yay!
[09:13] <pitti>  * for the record, the mysterious apt-ftparchive failure on the daily langpacks several times is fixed now
[09:13] <pitti>  * built and tested fresh re-based dapper langpacks
[09:13] <pitti>  * misc: new g-v-m, better cdbs-edit-patch,
[09:13] <pitti> To Do:
[09:13] <pitti>  * automated-problem-reports: some UI polish, discuss update-notifier fixes with mvo, discuss KDE frontend with Riddell
[09:13] <mdz> sfllaw: everything ok?
[09:13] <pitti>  * pkg-create-dbgsym: discussion with infinity about cowboying .ddebs to a public inofficial place
[09:13] <pitti>  * more security updates, as always
[09:13] <pitti> mvo: will you have some time today/tomorrow to discuss the update-notifier stuff?
[09:14] <mvo> pitti: yes, that should be possible
[09:14] <sfllaw> mdz: Chair sleeppage.
[09:14] <mdz> pitti: is there a straightforward way to test/demo a-p-r?
[09:14] <sfllaw> It's pretty early over here.
[09:14] <pitti> mdz: apt-get install apport-gtk
[09:14] <pitti> mdz: and then have something crash
[09:14] <pitti> mdz: I just noticed that 0.5 with the new UI FTBFSed, fixing right now (missing build-dep)
[09:14] <mdz> pitti: will kill -SEGV work?
[09:14] <pitti> mdz: but the UI in 0.3 works as well
[09:14] <seb128> pitti: still no bt though?
[09:15] <pitti> mdz: yes, it will
[09:15] <pitti> right, no backtraces
   - backend is BLOCKED: needs changed kernel implementation of crash dump helper calling
[09:15] <mdz> pitti: maybe a call for testing with instructions would be good
[09:15] <pitti> I discussed this with BenC, but I'm not sure whether he needs more discussion
[09:15] <pitti> mdz: I intended to do that once it actually works
[09:16] <mdz> pitti: yes, hmm, sounds like it's not straightforward to test/demo at this point because it won't work :-)
[09:16] <pitti> mdz: well, you'll get a report with all information but a backtrace
[09:16] <mdz> pitti: is there a timeline for .ddeb support in soyuz?
[09:16] <pitti> mdz: I did not get a timeline from the soyuz guys
[09:16] <mdz> pitti: oh, so the hook works and launches the app, but it can't get the stack?
[09:16] <pitti> but PPA and security are higher on the list
[09:17] <pitti> mdz: right
[09:17] <pitti> mdz: mainly because gdb cannot attach to the crashed process, since that is in deep kernel sleep
[09:17] <mdz> pitti: is there a spec in LP for .ddebs so that we can track it?
[09:17] <pitti> mdz: it's a design problem right now, I have a better design now
[09:17] <pitti> mdz: not right now (spec)
[09:17] <pitti> when I discussed that with the LP guys, they said they don't need one
[09:18] <pitti> but maybe it's better to create one
[09:18] <mdz> pitti: that seems odd; it would be good to have it on their roadmap
[09:18] <mdz> but ok
[09:18] <mdz> pitti: thanks
[09:18] <mdz> sfllaw: next
[09:18] <sfllaw> Done
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Test plan for QuietenGrub
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Talked with BenC about kernel crash dumps and kprobes
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Hug day
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Bug triaging
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Talked to nags about LDTP.  Got cr3 involved in this
[09:18] <sfllaw> To do
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * More test plans
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Bug triaging
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Talk with Kamion
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Help zul get involved with test plans
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Teach MOTUs how to bug triage with a course on Friday
[09:19] <Kamion> our timezones/free-times have not synced up well, sorry - let's try early evening my time / morning your time
[09:19] <mdz> sfllaw: talk with Kamion about what?
[09:19] <Kamion> revive-tasksel testing
[09:19] <mdz> ah
[09:20] <mdz> sfllaw: ok, thanks
[09:20] <sfllaw> Welcome.
[09:20] <mdz> Kamion: next
[09:20] <Kamion> Done:
[09:20] <Kamion>   dapper-point-release-process: SPARC fixes done; David Miller is testing them. Still trying to get the images down to size. Unapproved queue holding steady. Should be ready to start widespread testing today or so.
[09:20] <Kamion>   ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: First cut at backend component done; it can build a correct-looking cache of what partman thinks of the partition layout, and it should be able to create, edit, and delete partitions. Seems to validate general approach.
[09:20] <Kamion>   migration-assistant: Reviewed various chunks of work from my Google Summer of Code student, and uploaded the first packages to universe.
[09:20] <mdz> fschoep: could you email kwwii and find out what happened?
[09:20] <Kamion>   ubiquity: Rewrote localechooser's encoding handling to clear up bugs like #47742 (carried over from previous weeks).
[09:21] <Kamion> Blocked:
[09:21] <Kamion>   revive-tasksel: Still waiting for Soyuz deployment before final sign-off.
[09:21] <fschoep> mdz: sure, no problem
[09:21] <Kamion> To do:
[09:21] <Kamion>   ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Next step is to glue a plain partition list display and a few buttons onto the front of this. Will need to handle resizing in the backend soon as well.
[09:21] <Kamion>   dapper-point-release-process: Do all the rest of it ...
[09:21] <fschoep> mdz: Not sure if I can get instant replies though.
[09:21] <Kamion> sort of a short week this week - meeting schedule meant it was only four days between meetings, and I was away for two of those
[09:22] <dholbach> will the sparc fixes be about bug 50778 too?
[09:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50778 in Ubuntu "Installer (partitioner) fails on Sun T2000 rev. 2" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50778
[09:22] <mdz> fschoep: wasn't expecting an instant response
[09:22] <Riddell> mdz, fschoep: kwwii said he was away until distro sprint, no answer on his phone so I guess he's left already
[09:22] <mdz> Riddell: ah
[09:22] <fschoep> Riddell: I thought he was leaving on the tenth?
[09:22] <Kamion> dholbach: not to my knowledge, no
[09:22] <mdz> Kamion: ok, thanks
[09:22] <Riddell> fschoep: not sure, didn't get a date, I could be wrong
[09:22] <mdz> Riddell: next
[09:22] <mvo> Kamion: will the point release most likely happen this or next week?
[09:22] <dholbach> Kamion: somebody in GNOME land told me about that one
[09:23] <Riddell> done: KDE 3.5.4, HAL changes for 3.5.4, langpacks-desktopfiles-kde, trying out pyqt 4 (preparation for kubuntu-hwdb-client)
[09:23] <fschoep> mdz: Riddell: I'll try to find out and report back soon.
[09:23] <Kamion> mvo: this, I hope
[09:23] <Riddell> next week: catch up with some community contributions on kubuntu-laptop-buttons, kubuntu-power-management, kubuntu-system-settings-usability.  mvo's pyKDE konsole patch
[09:24] <dholbach> Riddell: some guys asked for an exception for cmake (to make kde4 happen) - is kde4 somehow a target for edgy?
[09:24] <pitti> ah, right, we need to sanitize the hal mount scripts
[09:24] <mdz> Riddell: of your other specs, how many of those should still be targeting edgy?  are you working on them all personally or are some of them other people's projects?
[09:24] <Riddell> mdz: the ones mentioned in "next week" all have other people working on them
[09:24] <mdz> Riddell: are the ones you mention above being worked on primarily by others?
[09:24] <mdz> Riddell: could you update LP to reflect that?
[09:25] <mdz> right now they're all assigned to you
[09:25] <Riddell> dholbach: it's hoped that we'll have the build tools for it (so kde developers will all use kubuntu :)
[09:25] <Riddell> mdz: ok
[09:25] <dholbach> Riddell: nice, i told them to proceed with the upload.
[09:25] <mdz> Riddell: also, langpacks-desktopfiles-kde is status Unknown in LP
[09:26] <doko> Riddell: will we demote qt3 for edgy to universe?
[09:26] <Riddell> mdz: it's done bar some final testing and rebuilding all of KDE, I'll update that too
[09:26] <Riddell> doko: no, nowhere close to that
[09:26] <mdz> Riddell: ok, thanks
[09:26] <mdz> dholbach: next
[09:26] <dholbach> Done
[09:26] <dholbach>     * GNOME 2.14.3 (dapper-udpates)
[09:26] <dholbach>     * Bug Triage
[09:26] <dholbach>     * Hug Day
[09:26] <dholbach>     * galago uploads done, gossip begun to use it, beagle somewhat unhappy with it (will look at it some more)
[09:26] <dholbach> To do
[09:26] <dholbach>     * more Bug Triage
[09:27] <dholbach>     * GNOME 2.15.91 (next week)
[09:27] <dholbach>     * more MOTU love (get a REVU day done, more easier-motuing
[09:27] <dholbach> )
[09:28] <mdz> dholbach: oh, the bug day already happened? I thought it was tomorrow for some reason
[09:28] <mdz> did we recruit anyone new for ubuntu-qa?
[09:28] <imbrandon> yesterday ;)
[09:28] <dholbach> it was yesterday and it was quite good, especially http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/BugState
[09:28] <zul> whoops
[09:29] <dholbach> quite a bunch of people worked on GNOME bugs and cleaned up some old ones - I'm quite happy with that
[09:29] <Amaranth> so that's why random people were closing alacarte bugs :)
[09:29] <imbrandon> and 3 or 4 of us on KDE bugs ;)
[09:29] <dholbach> (and new people joined in the bug triage as well) - the notice was just a bit short
[09:29] <mdz> the bug stats look fairly flat
[09:29] <mdz> I guess that's from the scale
[09:30] <sfllaw> mdz: I was hoping for a differences graph.
[09:30] <sfllaw> That would be more significant.
[09:30] <seb128> sfllaw: any luck you give an hand on desktop bugs maybe? :)
[09:30] <dholbach> desktop bugs are really tough, i can't seem to get below 300 un-answered mails
[09:30] <mdz> sfllaw: that should be doable in cricket; talk to stub
[09:30] <seb128> same for me
[09:30] <doko> dholbach: that page is more like gnome bugs ...
[09:31] <dholbach> doko: it's the page of the desktop team :)
[09:31] <doko> dholbach: how do I add packages to the desktop team? ;-P
[09:31] <seb128> doko: you don't :p
[09:31] <dholbach> doko: don't even think about it
[09:31] <mdz> sfllaw: sounds like seb128 and dholbach could use some hands-on assistance in the trenches
[09:31] <seb128> yep, really
[09:32] <mdz> dholbach: thanks
[09:32] <dholbach> mdz: de rien
[09:32] <mdz> Keybuk: next
[09:32] <Keybuk> Done:
[09:32] <Keybuk>  * ReplacementInit; continuing work, had some problems this week with testing and have sadly found that rebooting workstation works the best
[09:32] <Keybuk>  * BootMessageLogging: decided how to handle jobs that do require a real console
[09:32] <Keybuk> To do:
[09:32] <Keybuk>  * Two days off
[09:32] <Keybuk>  * Further development work
[09:33] <mdz> Keybuk: rebooting your workstation works better than using a different machine?
[09:33] <Keybuk> yeah
[09:33] <Keybuk> different machine means copying modified source over, rebuilding it there, and rebooting that
[09:33] <Keybuk> it was ... annoying
[09:34] <mdz> Keybuk: is boot-message-logging Started then, or not yet?
[09:34] <Keybuk> somewhere between limbo and started
[09:34] <mdz> ok
[09:34] <mdz> thanks Keybuk
[09:34] <Keybuk> I'm not convinced what I have is the right implementation
[09:34] <mdz> seb128: next
[09:34] <seb128> This week:
[09:34] <seb128> - load of bugs triaged
[09:34] <seb128> - GNOME 2.14.3 and some desktop fixes for dapper-updates
[09:34] <seb128> .
[09:34] <seb128> Next week:
[09:34] <seb128> - catching up with mails and SoC lag
[09:34] <seb128> - GNOME 2.15.91
[09:34] <seb128> - keep triaging bugs, load and load of them still to work on
[09:35] <seb128> .
[09:35] <seb128> Note:
[09:35] <seb128> - would be nice to announce useful things for the team by a mail. By example I was sort of expecting that we would get a mail about something like 6.06.1 some weeks before it (we really figured about it from what Colin said to the previous meeting). Other example: dapper-proposed, looks something useful to me and I only learnt about it some days ago because doko and pitti was speaking on IRC about it
[09:35] <mdz> seb128: is the bug volume still so high since dapper?
[09:35] <seb128> mdz: yep, doesn't go down
[09:36] <mdz> hmm, I didn't think -proposed actually existed/worked yet
[09:36] <seb128> I've not caught up since my week of vac, paris summit, guadec
[09:36] <Kamion> mdz: doko's been uploading to it, seems to work
[09:36] <seb128> my "unread" (ie: to reply to) count is around 300
[09:36] <dholbach> To me it seems that the amount of new bugs is the same, but the noise is less.
[09:36] <Kamion> we didn't actually know it worked until doko tried, though
[09:36] <doko> seb128: dapper-proposed is mentioned in some spec (I think dapper-point-one-release), but I agree, it's hard to find these (like display of the NEW queue in lp)
[09:36] <mdz> sfllaw: please help them out and see if you can recruit some ongoing help as well.  maybe the three of you could put together a call for help to -devel-announce?
[09:37] <seb128> doko: you don't expect everybody reading every spec in case something useful is hidding there? :p
[09:37] <ogra> -proposed was announced anywhere (fridge ? )
[09:37] <ogra> i think in the ubuntu news ...
[09:37] <mdz> Kamion: are there packages in there which need review for the point release?
[09:37] <seb128> I would really have liked to have 6.06.1 announce early though
[09:37] <Kamion> I think for the moment it's best to use -proposed only for carefully-selected things; I'm not quite sure about the workflow yet
[09:37] <seb128> I would have organized desktop fixing some other way around and worked dapper fixes before edgy updates
[09:38] <mdz> we've talked about the point release fairly regularly; I thought everyone was aware
[09:38] <seb128> speaking on IRC is sort of not really formal
[09:38] <Kamion> mdz: openoffice.org and kin
[09:38] <seb128> I didn't realize it was NOW until the comments from Kamion previous week
[09:38] <mdz> seb128: agreed, for folks who only follow the lists it probably  seemed like short notice
[09:38] <seb128> I didn't even know for sure we were rolling new CD images
[09:39] <Kamion> that's the whole point :-)
[09:39] <seb128> might be my fault too, but too many lists, IRC chans, wiki, etc to follow ... have proper announce mails is nice for informations like that
[09:39] <mdz> we should announce the target date more in advance next time, so that everyone can get in proposals for updates
[09:39] <seb128> thank you
[09:39] <mdz> Kamion: add a note to DapperPointReleaseProcess about that?
[09:39] <mvo> is there a second point release planed?
[09:40] <Kamion> mdz: ok, will do
[09:40] <mdz> mvo: of dapper you mean?  that's unclear
[09:40] <Kamion> mvo: in principle, but no schedule
[09:40] <imbrandon> over three years i'm sure there will be a few mvo
[09:40] <mvo> is was wondering if I should try to upload a pending notification-daemon fix
[09:40] <mvo> but I'm a bit concerned that it is now way too short
[09:40] <Kamion> uploading dapper updates meeting the usual criteria is valuable even if they miss the point release
[09:40] <mvo> and it won't get enough testing
[09:40] <mdz> mvo: don't rush it to try to make this point release; users will still download updates
[09:41] <Kamion> but yes, now isn't the best time for things which need lots of testing
[09:41] <mdz> thanks seb128
[09:41] <mdz> doko: next
[09:41] <doko> - this week
[09:41] <doko>   - openoffice.org 2.0.3: done for dapper-proposed and edgy, ia32-libs updates for dapper-proposed and edgy
[09:41] <doko>   - edgy-toolchain: benchmarking/testing the -mtune=generic patches using the pystone benchmark.
[09:41] <doko>   - java-roadmap: ecj-bootstrap update, merging the classpath 0.92 release branch to the trunk, upload of a first gcj-4.2 package building gcjwebplugin-4.2; first attempt to merge the FC backport of classpath-0.92 to gcc-4.1
[09:41] <doko>   - other: ia32-libs updates for -security
[09:41] <doko>   - learned that OOo doesn't belong to the desktop
[09:41] <doko> - next week
[09:41] <doko>   - decide if OOo 2.0.3 gets included in the dapper point release
[09:41] <doko>   - java-roadmap: merge some more packages from main (requesting UVF exceptions).
[09:41] <doko>   - python-roadmap: updates of the application packages in main to the new policy; packages providing modules are done.
[09:41] <doko>   - python2.5: 2.5 beta3 update
[09:41] <doko>   - updating one or two machines to edgy
[09:41] <doko> - other: time frame for the testing / experimental buildd's?
[09:41] <Kamion> doko: 2.0.3> where "next week" is "today" I hope
[09:42] <mdz> doko: "doesn't belong to the desktop"?
[09:42] <doko> Kamion: yes, or tomorrow. we need to check the CD sizes as well.
[09:42] <Kamion> doko: today please
[09:43] <doko> mdz: nah, the desktop team sees the desktop without OOo, nothing more. missed a :-/, :-(, ;-)
[09:43] <mdz> OOo doesn't play very nicely with the rest of the desktop :-P
[09:43] <doko> Kamion: ok, is there an easy way to do that?
[09:43] <dholbach> doko: OOo and firefox are ... projects of their own ;)
[09:44] <mdz> Kamion: have you heard from Ian recently?
[09:44] <Kamion> doko: -> #ubuntu-devel after meeting
[09:44] <Kamion> mdz: hmm, no, shall I phone him?
[09:44] <mdz> Kamion: no, I'll mail
[09:44] <doko> dholbach: no, we're doing *one* desktop, IMHO we should not transport this view to the users
[09:44] <doko> Kamion: ok
[09:45] <mdz> and BenC as well
[09:45] <seb128> doko: we don't have the manpower to not special case firefox and openoffice
[09:45] <mdz> did I miss anyone?
[09:45] <zul> me..
[09:45] <seb128> doko: dholbach and I are already over bug-worked without those
[09:45] <mdz> zul: sorry, ready
[09:45] <mdz> ?
[09:45] <doko> mdz: are you ok with the upload of the -mtune-generic backport to edgy?
[09:45] <zul> Done:
[09:45] <zul> * xen testing with iwj
[09:45] <zul> * xen bug hunting
[09:45] <zul> * release xen on to the mases
[09:45] <zul> Todo:
[09:45] <zul> * xen amd64 get it working properly
[09:45] <zul> * kernel updates
[09:45] <zul> * grub triaging and bug fixing
[09:45] <mdz> zul: is xen suitable for casual experimentation now?
[09:46] <zul> yes it is
[09:46] <mdz> doko: I'm not familiar with that change; do I have mail about it?
[09:46] <zul> i was running it on my edgy workstation at work
[09:46] <mdz> zul: is there a basic howto of some sort?
[09:46] <zul> on the wiki
[09:46] <zul> Done:
[09:46] <doko> mdz: yes, the email exchange with Maxim ("what gcc version ...")
[09:47] <mdz> doko: if you are satisfied with the performance testing (no serious regressions), yes
[09:47] <zul> mdz: i probably need to update the howto as well
[09:47] <mdz> doko: max suggested testing on the machine that Ben has
[09:47] <mdz> zul: what's the name of the page?
[09:47] <doko> mdz: what machine does Ben have?
[09:48] <zul> XenOnEdgy i believe
[09:48] <zul> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[09:48] <mdz> doko: I forget the codename for it; Ben will be able to tell you
[09:49] <mdz> zul: thank you
[09:49] <mdz> anyone else have more updates or questions?
[09:50] <mdz> ok, finished ahead of schedule then
[09:50] <mdz> thanks everyone
[09:50] <dholbach> yoohoo! :)
[09:50] <doko> mdz: what the test build daemons? private package archives?
[09:50] <sfllaw> dholbach, seb128: I will rally the troops to help you out.
[09:50] <mdz> doko: testing the performance
[09:50] <sfllaw> Let me know if you want any specific wording in the announcement.
[09:51] <seb128> sfllaw: thank you ;)
[09:51] <doko> mdz: if you need a tester, I'd like to start with some python2.5 work on it
[09:51] <mdz> heno: good morning, we've just wrapped up but most of us are still around listening if you have an update prepared
[09:51] <zul> sfllaw: when do you want to sit down and talk? obviously not now
[09:52] <heno> mdz: on the wiki, are we pasting?
[09:52] <Amaranth> where is the wiki that has all the bulleted lists that people were pasting in here?
[09:52] <mdz> heno: yes
[09:53] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamMeeting20060803
[09:53] <heno> Done
[09:53] <heno>  * catch up on mail, mailing lists and [http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=145 support forum] .
[09:53] <heno>  * Community: Held Ubuntu Access BOF at LUG Radio Live. Working with AT consultants WRT the [http://www.oatsoft.org/ OATS project] .
[09:53] <heno>  * Magnification - work on compiz-mag is still mostly stagnant. Will focus on gnome-mag for edgy, where upstream is now making performance improvements with COMPOSITE.
[09:53] <heno>  * Desktop speech synthesis - Orca, our chosen screen reader, has also been accepted by Gnome as the default. Waiting for result of main inclusion request to proceed with seed change.
[09:53] <heno>  * sok: steady progress, packages available. Reads keyboard layout from xkb and uses the current layout (optional).
[09:53] <heno> To do
[09:53] <heno>  * On Tuesday I'm attending the launch meeting of the OATS (Open Source Assistive Technology Software) project in London.
[09:53] <heno>  * sok: setup bzr hosting for on LP and get help on adding it to universe. Continue to work with Chris on outstanding features like config panel and 'scanning'.
[09:53] <heno>  * Desktop speech synthesis - Some testers are reporting problems with AT-SPI in Gnome 2.15/Edgy. Needs investigation.
[09:53] <heno>  * livecd-access - no change - I need feedback on the proposed gfxboot changes. (sound and image files [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs/LiveCdAccess here] ).
[09:53] <sfllaw> zul: Too early.
[09:53] <sfllaw> zul: Tomorrow, please?
[09:53] <heno> hm, that didn't paste too well with the links
[09:54] <zul> sfllaw: sure...im going back to bed now
[09:54] <sfllaw> zul: Or rather, later today.  Same here.
[09:54] <mdz> heno: that's ok, thanks
[09:54] <mdz> heno: you were at LRL on the first day I guess? i was there the second day
[09:54] <Kamion> sorry, I've been doing a million and one things as usual, will try to get to gfxboot review before I go on holiday if possible
[09:55] <heno> just the first day, yes, mdz
[09:55] <heno> Kamion: thanks, just let me know if I've got the file formats right and such
[09:55] <heno> in case I have to redo any of it
[09:56] <zul> night everyone
[09:56] <pitti> thanks everyone
[09:57] <dholbach> sfllaw: no specific wording, just something fancy which attracts people - maybe you can point to the wiki pages and the irc channels
[09:58] <Hobbsee> dholbach: what's this for?  people to fix bugs?
[09:59] <dholbach> Hobbsee: join the desperate fight to get the bug count down
[09:59] <Hobbsee> dholbach: ah right.  i was doing bits of that yesterday :)
[09:59] <dholbach> yeah :)
[05:32] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[05:32] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Aug 23:00: Kubuntu | 15 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 18 Aug 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team


[08:30] <XorA> morning
[09:31] <pastrad> Anyone no the status of alsa on beagleboard in Precise?
[09:31] <ogra_> didnt change much
[09:32] <ogra_> (if you have a fix we'll happily pull it into an SRU)
[09:32] <XorA> whats up with beagleboard?
[09:32] <ogra_> iirc UCM profiles are missing
[09:32] <ogra_> so you have no sound by default
[09:32] <XorA> ah right so no-one made them I guess
[09:33] <ogra_> right
[09:33] <XorA> do you have abug#?
[09:33]  * XorA thinks this would take me approx 10s next week
[09:33] <pastrad> Ok. Didn't find a bug in launchpad, so I wanted to check
[09:34] <ogra_> bug 925094
[09:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 925094 in linux "No audio on omap (beagleXM) system" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925094
[09:34] <pastrad> Oh...
[09:34] <XorA> I shall look at that next week if I get time
[09:35] <ogra_> cool, thanks !
[09:35] <XorA> BTW love the way they persuade me to upgrade x86_64 to precise :-D
[09:35] <pastrad> Thanks for the info!
[09:35] <ogra_> who persuades you ?
[09:36] <lilstevie> is there a sample config for live-build
[09:36] <lilstevie> that will build an ubuntu image that is
[09:36] <ogra_> there are docs somewhere in debian
[09:37] <lilstevie> heh "somewhere" :p
[09:37] <XorA> ogra_: apt-get upgrade last night on oneric broke something bad, Xorg is iffy and flash a total no-go :-D
[09:37] <ogra_> pfft, flash
[09:37] <ogra_> use html5
[09:37] <XorA> ogra_: I havent tracked it down yet
[09:37] <XorA> well I think flash is just a symptom of whatever broke
[09:37] <ogra_> and who needs X, a console is enough for everyone *g*
[09:38] <XorA> TBH more likely I shall precise over the weekend anyway
[09:38] <XorA> if I can work out how to enrypt disk
[09:38] <lilstevie> also, what is the deal with armel, avoid at all costs? cause I am thinking about compatibility with tegra accel drivers
[09:39] <ogra_> armel is currently not supported
[09:40] <lilstevie> ok
[09:40] <lilstevie> cause on my prime I am running armel precise that was upgraded via update manager during the beta period
[09:42] <hrw> XorA: upgrade to 12.04?
[09:42] <lilstevie> but generating an image doesn't seem like it would be as easy
[09:42] <hrw> XorA: 12.04 is past - upgrade to quantal
[09:42] <XorA> quantal?
[09:42] <ogra_> 12.10
[09:43] <ogra_> quantal quetzal
[09:43] <ogra_> :)
[09:43] <XorA> Im waiting for Zooshing Zebbedie
[09:43] <XorA> not Quetzecotal :-D
[09:44] <hrw> ;D
[09:56] <pastrad> ls
[10:00] <lilstevie> lol
[16:51] <asmok> hi there, i'm newbie with CuBox/armhf. But i managed to install Linux-3.3.3 and 12.04 in CuBox: http://www.solid-run.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&p=2170&sid=9a2ead3c48531a1ce5e28a83d2342c01#p2170
[16:52] <asmok> is it possible to get usb webcam to work with webcam program?
[16:52] <asmok> root@CuBox:/dev# webcam
[16:52] <asmok> reading config file: /root/.webcamrc
[16:52] <asmok> v4l2: open: open(pathname = "/dev/video0", flags = O_RDWR) failed, No such file or directory (2, ENOENT) because there is no "video0" regular file in the pathname "/dev" directory
[16:53] <asmok> can you show me any howto for that?
[18:28] <scientes> asmok, check the dmesg
[18:28] <scientes> tail -f /var/log/kern.log
[18:28] <asmok> sorry for noise - i re-compiled linux-3.3.3 with v4l - root@CuBox:~# v4l2-ctl --list-devices
[18:28] <asmok> UVC Camera (046d:0990) (usb-orion-ehci.0-1):
[18:28] <asmok> 	/dev/video0
[18:28] <scientes> and the unplug and replugin the camera
[18:28] <scientes> oh wait
[18:28] <scientes> dont use root
[18:28] <asmok> i can use 'cubox', too
[18:28] <scientes> "because there is no "video0" regular file in the pathname "/dev" directory"
[18:28] <scientes> >regular file
[18:29] <scientes> its not a regular file
[18:29] <scientes> that program is not expecting a device file
[20:36] <cehh> GrueMaster: regarding the problem I was facing earlier this week retrieving packages...
[20:37] <cehh> it seems like the issue was that the installer was ignoring the proxy settings in the preseed.cfg file
[20:37] <cehh> after doing export HTTP_PROXY on the console, the installer was able to retrieve the packages


[00:29] <dwf_starband> my setup has been down for over a month so im going to start from scratch, ill have one backend only system and 2-3 frontend only systems, do you guys recomend 7.10 or 8.04 alpha?
[00:34] <dwf_starband> anyone?
[00:38] <Nikas> 7.10. I had som serius problems with 8.04 and yeah... it's alpha. ;)
[00:38] <Nikas> serious even
[00:41] <dwf_starband> what problems did you have?
[00:42] <dwf_starband> my problems have been with 7.10 and an inibility to get lineups from schedules direct
[02:01] <Nikas> Hellooo
[02:02] <Nikas> Where do i find deinterlacing settings? trunk-version (or .21-fixes)
[02:02] <Nikas> Nothing under Mythfrontend->Utilities Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback
[02:54] <dwf_starband> has anyone had trouble getting lineups from schedules direct?  I havent been able to get any since the 1st of the year, i just did  a fresh install of 8.04 alpha and it still wont get the lineups, very frustrating
[02:55] <dwf_starband> its always 401 Unauthorized
[02:56] <dwf_starband> Failed writing HTTP request: Bad file descriptor.
[02:56] <dwf_starband> Retrying.
[02:57] <dwf_starband> it repeats this a bunch of times then says Giving up. and finishes with its failure
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest92> Hey everyone!
[03:14] <MythbuntuGuest92> Question; I am trying to get my wireless MediaMVP to work...  I need to know what command or where to look in the tables to see if a firewall is running
[03:14] <MythbuntuGuest92> *file stucture
[04:22] <Tuv0k> MythbuntuGuest92, there is no "firewall" running
[04:22] <confusedguy> hello
[04:24] <Tuv0k> new to irc?
[04:24] <confusedguy> a little
[04:24] <confusedguy> ok yes
[04:24] <Tuv0k> thats fine
[04:24] <confusedguy> how'd u know
[04:25] <Tuv0k> pleasantries are normally skipped, to allow answers to be fielded quickly
[04:25] <Tuv0k> soon as you said "hello" I knew
[04:25] <confusedguy> ic
[04:25] <Tuv0k> ;)
[04:25] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[04:25] <confusedguy> lol ok
[04:25] <Tuv0k> hello back at cha
[04:25] <tgm4883_laptop> pleasantries aren't bad
[04:25] <tgm4883_laptop> but it was the hello
[04:25] <Tuv0k> not at all
[04:25] <tgm4883_laptop> then the waiting for a reply
[04:25] <confusedguy> well it seems not too many in this channel
[04:26] <Tuv0k> lol
[04:26] <Tuv0k> yes
[04:26] <Tuv0k> this is a great bunch in ths channel
[04:26] <confusedguy> so do  you all know much about mythtv?
[04:26] <tgm4883_laptop> just FYI, we are still waiting for the question
[04:26] <Tuv0k> hopefully enough to be users
[04:27] <Tuv0k> lol , that too
[04:27] <confusedguy> because ive been working on it for weeks and i'm running into problems.. here's the question..
[04:27] <Tuv0k> lets have it bro
[04:27] <Tuv0k> weeks?
[04:27] <Tuv0k> ouch
[04:28]  * tgm4883_laptop hums the jeopardy theme
[04:28] <confusedguy> how could i get a standalone front to connect to a back
[04:28] <confusedguy> ive tried many many things
[04:28] <Tuv0k> please tell me you googled, forums , wiki, docs, during that time?
[04:28] <tgm4883_laptop> did you enable the mysql service in MCC?
[04:28] <confusedguy> im not just running for help without research
[04:28] <confusedguy> yes
[04:28] <Tuv0k> goood
[04:28] <confusedguy> i enabled it
[04:28] <tgm4883_laptop> yes to me or Tuv0k
[04:28] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[04:28] <confusedguy> both
[04:28] <tgm4883_laptop> did you restart the back end?
[04:29] <confusedguy> yes
[04:29] <tgm4883_laptop> any error messages
[04:30] <confusedguy> yeah. could not connect to database.
[04:30] <confusedguy> thats what shows if i start the frontend .
[04:30] <confusedguy> and it asks for all the mysql stuff
[04:31] <confusedguy> which i've verified many times should be right
[04:31] <Tuv0k> thats happening to me as well
[04:31] <confusedguy> ive been through 3 distros and this is my last
[04:31] <Tuv0k> just have not got around to troubleshooting it yet
[04:31] <confusedguy> its worked the best so far
[04:32] <confusedguy> i mean, i've googled this for a couple hours
[04:32] <Tuv0k> its odd because when the frontend was gutsy with a hrady BE, the FE connected to the DB
[04:33] <Tuv0k> but now that the FE is hardy as well, myth .21, no dice
[04:33] <Tuv0k> DB login has not changed
[04:33] <Tuv0k> permission correct
[04:33] <Tuv0k> DB optimized
[04:33] <tgm4883_laptop> on the remote frontend, what happens when you run the mysql test in MCC?
[04:33] <confusedguy> i've reinstalled back and frontend so many times
[04:33] <Tuv0k> yet, endless login loop on the FE
[04:33] <confusedguy> mysql test... let me check
[04:34] <Tuv0k> the backend works like a charm
[04:34] <Tuv0k> tgm4883_laptop, I have yet to
[04:34] <Tuv0k> let me check
[04:38] <Tuv0k> failure
[04:40] <Tuv0k> success!
[04:40] <Tuv0k> pw was wrong?
[04:41] <presumptious85> hello
[04:42] <presumptious85> i just installed drivers for my tv tuner Huappage HVR 1600
[04:43] <presumptious85> and it seems to have affected my video card
[04:44] <presumptious85> i followed the instructions on this page to make the installationhttp://linuxtv.org/repo/
[04:45] <presumptious85> the driver is from this page http://linuxtv.org/hg/~hverkuil/cx18/summary
[04:49] <presumptious85> anyone help me out here
[05:03] <dwf_starband> I have not been able to retreive lineups from schedules direct since the beginning of the year, I have tried lots of different things such as changing names and passwords etc.. i just got another trial from them with another email address and it doesnt work either, i am able to log on to their site just fine and can manually retreive info from them, but I cant get it to work with either my existing mythbuntu 7.10 setup or a 8
[05:03] <dwf_starband> that I just tried
[05:04] <dwf_starband> I have googled, searched the forums, asked in here on multiple ocasions, and cant figure it out, schedules direct tech support walked me through the manual retreival and said since I could do it manually that it was a problem on my end not theirs
[05:04] <dwf_starband> does anyone know about how to work with this?
[05:06] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, when you say you can pull the data manually wht do you mean?
[05:08] <dwf_starband> um, its been a couple of weeks since i did that, let me find it again and ill show you
[05:09] <presumptious85> hello
[05:09] <presumptious85> anyone home
[05:10] <dwf_starband> http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=295 shows how to download the raw data
[05:10] <presumptious85> dwf_starband: hello
[05:11] <dwf_starband> hello?
[05:11] <dwf_starband> im here for help, so i doubt i can help you
[05:11] <presumptious85> lol
[05:11] <presumptious85> well maybe u can
[05:12] <presumptious85> i just installed a module for my tv tuner hauppage HVR 1600
[05:12] <presumptious85> and now my video card is no longer being detected by ubuntu
[05:14] <dwf_starband> sorry, I have a different tuner, when I have trouble like that I google alot, I would use keyworks such as the names of the tuner and video card together, or tuner video card and trouble your having
[05:14] <dwf_starband> google usually finds stuff in the forums that I cant find even searching the same forum
[05:14] <presumptious85> lol
[05:15] <presumptious85> its had for me to browse at the moment cuz everthing is so huge
[05:15] <presumptious85> the resolution that is
[05:16] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, what kind of video card are you using?
[05:16] <dwf_starband> depending on the browser you can change the zoom, I use opra and zoom is an option under view
[05:17] <dwf_starband> foxxbuntu: you see what i mean by manually retreiving the data?
[05:17] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, I think so
[05:18] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, what does mythfilldatabase show when you run it?
[05:18] <dwf_starband> 401 error and something else, want me to run it and pastbin it for you?
[05:19] <foxxbuntu> yes
[05:21] <dwf_starband> oh, i had deleted the video source to try starting fresh, ill set it up again real quick and show you what it says when i try to retrieve lineups, its the same errors as when i was running mythfilldatabase
[05:21] <foxxbuntu> k
[05:23] <dwf_starband> i rememver i was able to run mythfilldatabase with i think -file and the data i had manually downloaded and it had inserted it into the database, but it was a pain with multiple steps
[05:25] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, what do you get when you try to do this: ping www.google.com
[05:26] <dwf_starband> 64 bytes from yw-in-f99.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=685 ms
[05:26] <dwf_starband> 64 bytes from yw-in-f99.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=2 ttl=245 time=1710 ms
[05:26] <dwf_starband> 64 bytes from yw-in-f99.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=3 ttl=245 time=701 ms
[05:26] <dwf_starband> 64 bytes from yw-in-f99.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=4 ttl=245 time=628 ms
[05:26] <dwf_starband> 64 bytes from yw-in-f99.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=5 ttl=245 time=617 ms
[05:26] <dwf_starband> 64 bytes from yw-in-f99.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=6 ttl=245 time=629 ms
[05:26] <dwf_starband> 64 bytes from yw-in-f99.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=7 ttl=245 time=629 ms
[05:26] <dwf_starband> 64 bytes from yw-in-f99.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=8 ttl=245 time=629 ms
[05:26] <dwf_starband> --- www.google.com ping statistics ---
[05:26] <dwf_starband> 8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 45178ms
[05:27] <dwf_starband> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 617.105/778.900/1710.056/353.098 ms, pipe 2
[05:27] <dwf_starband> pastbin doesnt seem to be working
[05:28] <foxxbuntu> !patebin | dwf_starband
[05:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patebin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:28] <foxxbuntu> !pastebin | dwf_starband
[05:28] <ubotu> dwf_starband: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[05:29] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, does that link for you?
[05:31] <dwf_starband> i can browse to it and put in my name and past the stuff in but when i press the paste button it brings up a connection closed by remote server error
[05:31] <presumptious85> guess i lost connection there
[05:32] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, it works fine for me, I think your issues are related to your internet connection
[05:32] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, what kind of vid card are you using?
[05:32] <presumptious85> foxxbuntu: nvidia 8600 gts
[05:33] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, IIRC thats in the package nvidia-glx-new
[05:33] <foxxbuntu> so try reinstalling that package
[05:33] <dwf_starband> is there a way to troubleshoot my connection? im using starband which is a satalite connection (i live in bush Alaska)  Ive recently goten a new modem which is much faster than my previous one
[05:34] <presumptious85> thru synaptic?
[05:34] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, no
[05:34] <dwf_starband> this is the first time ive had trouble with pastebin
[05:34] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, try this from terminal
[05:35] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, I think you are having DNS issues
[05:35] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, $ sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[05:36] <presumptious85> done
[05:36] <foxxbuntu> whats the output?
[05:36] <foxxbuntu> thats it already up to date?
[05:36] <foxxbuntu> or is it installing?
[05:36] <presumptious85> yeaa
[05:36] <presumptious85> up to date
[05:36] <foxxbuntu> ok do this
[05:36] <presumptious85> already the newest version
[05:37] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, $ sudo apt-get install -reinstall nvidia-glx-new
[05:37] <presumptious85>  Command line option 'r' [from -reinstall] is not known.
[05:37] <foxxbuntu> sory
[05:37] <foxxbuntu> sorry*
[05:37] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx-new
[05:38] <presumptious85> Reinstallation of nvidia-glx-new is not possible, since it cannot be downloaded.
[05:38] <foxxbuntu> ah
[05:40] <dwf_starband> http://pastebin.com/d32d35b4 got this one to work
[05:40] <Tuv0k> anyone notice tuner sound missing seemingly randomly?
[05:40] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, open up synaptic
[05:41] <presumptious85> ok
[05:41] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, what do you mean exactly?
[05:42] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, under settings > repos
[05:42] <presumptious85> ok
[05:42] <foxxbuntu> enable multiverse and universe
[05:42] <Tuv0k> no sound from the tuner
[05:42] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, but not always?
[05:42] <Tuv0k> recordings with no sound
[05:42] <foxxbuntu> k
[05:42] <presumptious85> they are already enabled
[05:42] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, do you have sound in livetv?
[05:43] <Tuv0k> not always. seems the shows after midnight don't have sound
[05:43] <Tuv0k> live tv right now, no sound
[05:43] <Tuv0k> I was wondering why some recordings were missing sound.
[05:44] <Tuv0k> I just happened to try live tv just now
[05:44] <Tuv0k> and much to my chagrin, silent pictures
[05:44] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, close that and open the "Restricted Drivers Manager"
[05:44] <tgm4883_laptop> Tuv0k, just out of curiorisity, if you bypass the mythtv box, do you have sound?
[05:44] <Tuv0k> totally
[05:44] <foxxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, thanks for jumping in here 3 convos at once was getting a little crazy
[05:45] <presumptious85> ok
[05:45] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, is the NVidia restricted driver enabled and in use?
[05:45]  * tgm4883_laptop sneaks back out leaving foxxbuntu alone
[05:45] <presumptious85> yep
[05:45] <presumptious85> also the v4l2
[05:45] <presumptious85> v4l2-int-device
[05:46] <tgm4883_laptop> Tuv0k, so is there a time period that the shows dont have sound?
[05:46] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, pastebin dmesg for me
[05:46] <presumptious85> although that is not in use
[05:46] <presumptious85> how
[05:46] <presumptious85> ?
[05:46] <foxxbuntu> from terminal type dmesg
[05:46] <Tuv0k> tgm4883_laptop, can't say for sure, I thought it was justa glitch, now I have to pay closer attention
[05:46] <foxxbuntu> and then copy and paste it into a pastebin
[05:47] <foxxbuntu> !pastebin | presumptious85
[05:47] <ubotu> presumptious85: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[05:47] <Tuv0k> but nba fastbreak on espn twice now, has not had sound, and its the after midnight showing
[05:47] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, then paste the link to it in here
[05:49] <tgm4883_laptop> Tuv0k, well technically, all shows are after midnight
[05:49] <tgm4883_laptop> so i'm trying to figure out if it's shows between 12 and 2 or what
[05:49]  * foxxbuntu smacks tgm4883_laptop for that large level of /sarcasm
[05:49] <presumptious85> foxxbuntu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57033/
[05:50]  * tgm4883_laptop smacks foxxbuntu for being foxxbuntu
[05:50] <foxxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, I know...your my favorite too
[05:50] <tgm4883_laptop> Tuv0k, do other shows have sound?
[05:51] <Tuv0k> checking
[05:51] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, is this a vm?
[05:51] <presumptious85> vm?
[05:52] <presumptious85> as in vmware, no
[05:52] <foxxbuntu> ok
[05:53] <foxxbuntu> oh...I think I found your issue
[05:53] <foxxbuntu> wait a min
[05:54] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, $ sudo nano /etc/sysctl.conf
[05:54] <foxxbuntu> add this line:
[05:55] <presumptious85> ok
[05:55] <foxxbuntu> vm.min_free_kbytes=32768
[05:55] <foxxbuntu> then reboot the machine
[05:56] <Tuv0k> definately a problem
[05:56] <presumptious85> should i just add the line anywhere?
[05:56] <presumptious85> and save?
[05:56] <foxxbuntu> at the end of the file
[05:56] <foxxbuntu> and ctrl+x
[05:56] <foxxbuntu> then Y
[05:57] <Tuv0k> all the shows with no sund
[05:57] <Tuv0k> even a show I just was watching with sound
[05:57] <Tuv0k> thinking it may be pulse?
[05:57] <tgm4883_laptop> Tuv0k, interesting
[05:57] <presumptious85> ight
[05:57] <presumptious85> reboots
[05:57] <Tuv0k> I have audacious running
[05:57] <tgm4883_laptop> Tuv0k, are you using 8.04?
[05:58] <Tuv0k> had to use the oss plugin lastnight, just switched it back to alsa
[05:58] <Tuv0k> yes 8.04
[05:59] <Tuv0k> yeah, this is pissing me off now
[05:59] <Tuv0k> I've deleted two shows thinking it was an isolated event
[05:59] <tgm4883_laptop> and you watched a recording earler that worked?
[05:59] <Tuv0k> yup
[06:00] <tgm4883_laptop> reboot and see if it works
[06:00] <Tuv0k> bookmarked so I could finish watching
[06:00] <Tuv0k> reboot, argh
[06:00] <Tuv0k> lets try a BE restart first?
[06:00] <presumptious85> foxxbuntu: i'm back
[06:00] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[06:01] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, any luck?
[06:01] <tgm4883_laptop> Tuv0k, first try playing something outside of mythtv
[06:01] <presumptious85> nope
[06:03] <Tuv0k> the system has sound fine
[06:04] <Tuv0k> myth won't play anything now, not even music
[06:04] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, check the internal player audio controls
[06:05] <Tuv0k> I did
[06:05] <Tuv0k> thrice
[06:05] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, nothing on mute is it perhaps
[06:06] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, I am still thinking it over...give me a min
[06:06] <presumptious85> ight
[06:06] <Tuv0k> mute, hmmm its never worked before
[06:06] <Tuv0k> I've restarted the BE
[06:06] <Tuv0k> to no avail
[06:07] <tgm4883_laptop> Tuv0k, well it would be the frontend that needs restarted
[06:07] <Tuv0k> the speakers crack like they want to play
[06:07] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, mute is FE only
[06:07] <Tuv0k> I'm on tthe naster BE
[06:07] <Tuv0k> master
[06:07] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, have you checked alsamixer?
[06:07] <Tuv0k> so the FE as been restarted at least 8 times in our conversation
[06:08] <Tuv0k> yes
[06:08] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, is PCM muted or all the way down/up?
[06:08] <Tuv0k> no
[06:08] <Tuv0k> system sound has not changed
[06:08] <Tuv0k> all leveled up
[06:09] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, ok...sorry for my basics here...everyone is at different levels when asking us for support
[06:09] <Tuv0k> I know, I'm fine, thx
[06:10] <Tuv0k> not that I don't need help, but your questions I understand the drill :)
[06:16] <presumptious85> foxxbuntu: why wouldnt a make unload of the drivers work?
[06:17] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, its a possability, but I am trying to avoid that
[06:17] <dwf_starband> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/4913/ here are my errors when trying to retrieve lineups do you still think its dns?
[06:21] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, no, that leads me to believe you are having issues with your connection to the SD server, however since you had issues with pastebin as well it still leads me to believe you might be having and issue with a firewall or modem dropping or blocking packets
[06:22] <dwf_starband> so its possible that i have two issues, i would really like to solve the issue with connection to SD
[06:22] <Tuv0k> I really don't want to reboot
[06:23] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, try this...using the restricted drivers manager uncheck the nvidia reboot and then do it again to re-enable it and reboot once more
[06:23] <presumptious85> ight
[06:23] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, still thinking
[06:23] <Tuv0k> me too
[06:25] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, this looks like one issue
[06:25] <Tuv0k> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4333991
[06:25] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, looks like it fails to authenticate each time it tries to connect
[06:26] <dwf_starband> yes, but why?
[06:27] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, not sure
[06:27] <foxxbuntu> can you login to the website from that machine?
[06:27] <dwf_starband> yes, there is no problem loging into the website
[06:28] <dwf_starband> i have tried changing my username and password, i have tried a different trial account, (I have a paid subscription), ive searched and searched
[06:30] <presumptious85> no luck foxxbuntu
[06:31] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, have you tried adjusting the resoution?
[06:31] <presumptious85> yeaa
[06:31] <presumptious85> but its only the 800 x 600, and 640 x 480 that shows up
[06:32] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, did that post help you?
[06:32] <dwf_starband> if i gave out my test user id and password could someone else test it? or is that not really done?
[06:32] <presumptious85> i normally run on 1440 x 900 but its not long available due to this problem
[06:32] <Tuv0k> foxxbuntu, not in the least
[06:32] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, sorry, and not a good idea in a public irc channel
[06:33] <Tuv0k> vlc gave no picture, and hissing sound
[06:33] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, figured not but not sure what you were driving at
[06:33] <Tuv0k> tuner in myth shows video, no sound
[06:33] <Tuv0k> shooting in the dark
[06:33]  * Tuv0k ##$%#$@^$#$!!!!!!! rebooting
[06:34] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, this sounds like an issue I had a long time back but trying to think what it was
[06:34] <presumptious85> lol
[06:34] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, sorry, if I still had my VMWare server up (blew a hdd recently) I would test it
[06:34] <dwf_starband> no worries
[06:35] <foxxbuntu> but I dont think thats the issue since you were able to get data with the SD guy
[06:35] <dwf_starband> ok
[06:36] <presumptious85> i think i'm just gonna have to get a new tv tuner
[06:36] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, its a really strange issue...are you using wireless? or running the traffic through a firewall/router?
[06:36] <presumptious85> this one is alot of hassle
[06:36] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, I havent seen much luck yet with that particular model
[06:37] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, if your going to switch I suggest an HDHomeRun
[06:37] <presumptious85> does it run on windows too?
[06:37] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, should
[06:37] <dwf_starband> i have satalite internet, two cables go from the dish to the router, from the router i have it going to a belkin wireless router, but all of computers im working with myth are wired to the router
[06:38] <dwf_starband> there are no security settings or firewalls set on the router
[06:38] <presumptious85> ok
[06:38] <presumptious85> i'd search on that
[06:38] <presumptious85> but first i have to restore my settings
[06:38] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, I personally use the HDHR
[06:38] <presumptious85> i dont mind a make unload but that didnt work earlier
[06:39] <presumptious85> The HDHR works out of the box?
[06:39] <foxxbuntu> yup
[06:39] <foxxbuntu> well...with Mythbuntu
[06:39] <foxxbuntu> we enable the config utility it requires be default
[06:39] <foxxbuntu> by*
[06:40] <foxxbuntu> then you just set it up like any other tuner in the BE
[06:40] <presumptious85> ight
[06:41] <presumptious85> someone last night help me with thie situation i'm in
[06:41] <presumptious85> 'but i forgot what he did
[06:41] <presumptious85> it had to do with deleting a certain type of cx18*.ko files
[06:43] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, im not totally sure on that one...so I don't want to cause a reload :)
[06:44] <presumptious85> lol
[06:44] <presumptious85> i'm gonna try a make unload and a reinstall of my nivdia drivers
[06:49] <dwf_starband> is there someone I should keep an eye out for that might have an idea what my problem with SD is?  Where do I go from here? Ive asked in the ubuntu forum with no real help, ive searched all I can on my own.  what do you recomend?
[06:49] <foxxbuntu> presumptious85, sounds like a good place to start
[06:50] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, im not sure....it sure stirkes me as an issue with your internet/network but idk how to start helping you troubleshoot that
[06:51] <dwf_starband> do you know whos speciality that might be so I can keep an eye out for them in here?
[06:53] <Tuv0k> sound back
[06:53] <foxxbuntu> Tuv0k, what did you do? reboot?
[06:54] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, I would just keep trying and post in the forums, I don't know who specificly will be able to help
[06:55] <dwf_starband> ok, i appreciate  your trying
[06:55] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, yup...sorry I couldn't fx it
[06:55] <foxxbuntu> fix*
[06:55] <Tuv0k> reboot> then fix the backend ip because I have a remote FE I just started testing tonight, and finally had to change from /dev/video0 to video1, because after reboot I guess the webcam for zoneminder stole the tuners parking spot
[06:56] <dwf_starband> no worries, its pretty cool that guys like you hang out here to  help,  when I first set up i was in here for a week or more with questions and couldnt have done it otherwise
[06:57] <foxxbuntu> dwf_starband, spend allot of time in or around here :)
[06:57] <foxxbuntu> just do the same if you can
[06:57] <foxxbuntu> you will learn as you go
[06:58] <dwf_starband> yeah, i try with the little time i have
[06:58] <foxxbuntu> I hear that, Im in process of starting a business and working two jobs
[06:58] <foxxbuntu> and spending time on this project
[06:59] <dwf_starband> gota sleep sometime
[06:59] <foxxbuntu> lol...sleep whats that?
[06:59] <dwf_starband> my wife is already pretty jealous of the time i spend on here
[06:59] <foxxbuntu> my wife is over it
[06:59] <foxxbuntu> I have been doing consulting for far too long
[07:51] <Tuv0k> sound is dead in myth again
[07:51] <Tuv0k> all I did was watch one show, started the second, and out goes the sound
[07:52] <Tuv0k> this is a problem
[08:00] <Tuv0k> seems when this happens, I have to restart pulse
[08:01] <Tuv0k> my initial guest was correct, I could have saved my uptime...ugh
[08:01] <Tuv0k> guess
[08:02] <Tuv0k> now the question is, how many times does one have to restart pulse to use myth flawlessly?
[08:02] <Tuv0k> Is the bug in myth or pulse?
[09:01] <rockhound> good day
[09:01] <rockhound> can someone help me track down, why I have a high idle load average on my master?
[09:51] <rockhound> another question: is it possible to have two different DVB sources (in my case -C and -T) use the one EPG data (ex. from DVB-C)? I can not seem to get this setup correctly. Any hints?
[09:59] <directhex> cross-sourced eit is theoretically possible, as long as channels actually have the same name/number
[09:59] <directhex> which they mostly don't
[10:01] <rockhound> well ... I usually renumber my channels, but I have tried numbering both sources the same ... it will not work ... so the only solution is to use an external provider for programm data?
[17:25] <Tuv0k> sound issues, and mythweather map oversize issue
[17:25] <Tuv0k> the 18 hr forecast does not fit peoperly either
[18:33] <Shred00> so is the plan for weekly builds to have a "flag day" cut-over from 0.20-fixes to 0.21-fixes or will you reorganize the repo to have weekly builds from both branches for some period of overlap?
[18:34] <Shred00> anyone have any idea if the 0.21 FE will work with an 0.20 BE currently?  i'm currently holding off on updating my myth packages on Hardy for fear of having a FE stranded waiting for the BE to go to 0.21.  historically myth has not had interversion compatibility between BE and FE.
[18:49] <tgm4883_laptop> Shred00, .21 is not compatible with .20
[18:57] <Shred00> tgm4883_laptop: damn
[18:57] <Shred00> i hate when they do that
[19:06] <directhex> what, like all the time? hell, 0.21-fixes fro a week ago isn't compatible with 0.21-fixes from a fortnight ago
[19:25] <Rigolo> good evening
[19:41] <sab13fl> in 0.21.0~fixes16174-0ubuntu1 I can't switch chanels by selecting a chanel# anymore. Is this a known bug?
[19:47] <tgm4883_laptop> !bugs
[19:47] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[19:47] <Rigolo> or search trac at svn.mythtv.org :-)
[19:48] <tgm4883_laptop> sab13fl, check here  https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[19:51] <Rigolo> tgm4883_laptop: what can I do to get bug #3640 included in 0.21?
[19:52] <Rigolo> dvb-c scanning and usage here in the netherlands is "broken" at the moment if you do not know how to completely manually setup all transports and channels
[20:13] <tgm4883_laptop> Rigolo, included in what?
[20:13] <tgm4883_laptop> are you trying to report a bug?
[20:13] <Rigolo> nope, there is already a bug in trac for mythtv
[20:14] <Rigolo> at the moment it is flagged for 0.22 .. but it would be extremly usefull in 0.21
[20:14] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[20:14] <tgm4883_laptop> well, you might have to report that it is a problem in .21.  Try talking to someone over in #mythtv-users as they would know better about something like that
[20:15] <tgm4883_laptop> let us know what you find out
[20:15] <Rigolo> I'm already there .. :-)
[20:15] <Rigolo> at least .. in #mythtv it self ... this is a development related question
[20:19] <sab13fl> Theree is a bugreport from 16feb2008 which still is undecided, Bug #192476, first reported on 2008-02-16
[20:39] <gumby600m> Hi, I'm using mythbuntu 7.10 and I can't get my channel listing from schedulesdirect.org.  The mythsetup finds the correct "Data Direct lineup", but the "Channel Scanner" doesn't find any channels.   I'm using a DCT6200 + firewire & an analog ATI TV Wonder card.  Any ideas???
[20:49] <Rigolo> question: I would like to compile mythtv with the patch that is included in mythtv bug #3640. Is it possible to get the script that is used to generate the weekly autobuilds from svn?
[21:14] <Rigolo> found them :-)
[22:31] <Viaken> How can I debug an IR reciever that's not working? It works on my Gentoo machine downstairs, where I don't need it. ;) However, I modprobe lirc_serial upstairs, it detects an active low device, and then doesn't return any signals with irrecord.
[23:40] <egghead3> i just changed my mythbuntu to weekly builds, and now alot of the modules dont work, do i have to rebuild all of them or is there a way to change the apt sources to redownload them?


[02:24] <_ZeuZ_> Guys I've developed a small QoS script for ISPs that I think could be useful if it would be included into ubuntu-server
[02:24] <_ZeuZ_> I know it's not reunion time still, but wanted to give ya the yell
[23:44] <RoAkSoAx> @schedule | lima
[23:44] <RoAkSoAx> @schedule lima
[23:59] <nickellery> @schedule vancouver


 I'm hunting down a few people about team reports and then I'll get them up
[16:10] <johnc4510> wiki seems to have stablized for now
[16:10] <johnc4510> kk, np...
[16:13] <nhandler> johnc4510: Someone on the LC requested a script (that I'm working on) that will provide some stats about which LoCos are producing Team Reports and how often they do it and stuff like that. When the script is working, do you think we could publish these stats once a month in the UWN (like we do for other stats) ?
[16:14] <johnc4510> sure
[16:14] <nhandler> :)
[18:18] <nhandler> Team Reports are up
[18:25] <johnc4510> nhandler: thank you sir
[18:25] <nhandler> You are welcome johnc4510
[18:25] <johnc4510> i changed the title heading
[18:26] <nhandler> To what? That is the heading that we have always used
[18:26] <johnc4510> ah, akgraner said you two thought it should be changed
[18:26] <johnc4510> lol
[18:26] <johnc4510> Monthly Team Reports
[18:27] <johnc4510> if it's not what you want i can change it
[18:27] <johnc4510> np
[18:27] <johnc4510> just let me know
[18:27] <nhandler> johnc4510: I have no issue with that. The original heading was there before I started doing the reports
[18:27] <johnc4510> kk
[18:28] <johnc4510> hmm, i don't see your work
[18:28] <johnc4510> nhandler: you posted to last wks issue
[18:28] <johnc4510> lol
[18:28] <johnc4510> np
[18:28] <johnc4510> i'll change it
[18:29] <cjohnston> o/
[18:30] <johnc4510> i got it
[18:30] <johnc4510> np
[18:32] <johnc4510> and i added your credit to the issue
[18:33] <nhandler> I thought I had added that in the revision before I did the actual report. Oh well ;)
[18:34] <nhandler> johnc4510: Was the link on the wiki pointing to the "next" issue updated? /me goes to check
[18:34] <johnc4510> you probably did, but in the last issue
[18:34] <nhandler> johnc4510: The link to the "next" issue points to 186. I'll fix it
[18:34] <johnc4510> kk
[18:34] <johnc4510> sorry
[18:35] <nhandler> No problem. At least we caught it ;)
[18:35] <johnc4510> yep
[18:35] <johnc4510> thx
[18:36] <nhandler> That also explains why I wasn't seeing the team report section ;)
[18:36] <johnc4510> nods
[18:38] <nhandler> I've updated the team-report script branch to use the new title
[18:39] <johnc4510> ah ok, thx


[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[09:03] <iulian> Moenning dholbach.
[09:03] <iulian> Err, morning.
[09:03] <dholbach> hey iulian :)


 I like it
 SO it took KDE/Plasma until 5.8 to recognize that the super key is ordinarily used to open the applications menu?
 No no
 It was a issue deep down that was changed to allow it
 And kinda a design as well
 I need a tutorial for kde. I don't really understand how to use it.
 All the desktop widgets, supposed work flow
 Different desktop views
 We're apparently the top team right now, lol
 how do you see thast @Ivoriesablaze ?
 Under news
 link?
 @Ivoriesablaze
 act.autism ?
 Hmm... Can't seem to find it on the mobile site
[13:18] <maxolase1squad> I'm sure nobody was holding their breath, but I'm not going to be able to make it down for the release party.
 I thought you were leaving later tonight
 I left around 9am
 I don't like driving at night
 Nice costume, what is that monster standing in front of you?
 XD
 Good spot for the party?
 @KMyers
 I like A&W but ask them if they host things like this
 We also need to get a final count
 Yea
 Could you send an email to the list about it?
 @mhall119 @itnet7 @Abrerr think Kissimmee could work for you on Nov 5?
 Sent
 Thanks
 We have multiple locations for the release party on the 5th? Because I might be able to make Kissimmee
 No one
 One place
 Old Town is not looking good for it though
 Places are packed on Saty
 Saturday
 Pokemon go is doing double candy and unusual Pokemon right now.
 I've not played in a long time
 Damn it I can't agree to the Bluetooth pairing without the remote
 @KMyers is there a way to connect my phone to the ATV without the original remote?
 I forgot it at home
 The button on the bottom of the Nexus Player will put it into pairing mode, not sure about any other units
 The issue is that I can't agree to the pair
 It should have a countdown timer of some sort
 What ATV box is it?
 Mi Box
 I can't agree without a remote
 And it just disconnect
 Do you have a hardwared keyboard or mouse?
 No just Bluetooth stuff
 Not sure then
 J
 Thanks
 The app does not see the box which is weird
 Idk it won't see the box
 Why can't i just, *not*, purchase this?
 Because you are human
 so, if they agree, it's gonna be A&W?
 ah! old town!!!
 I love old town!!!
 I got a kinda OK but I'm going to look around more
 ok
 we'll also need to find a place to do the LAN party that I'm going to stream during
 That's going to be tougher
 i don't think i'm going to do extra-life this year