[21:27] <terafl0ps> I had one Dell laptop with a 2.4 GHz core 2 duo that literally could not be kept at 100% CPU utilization without overheating and shutting down because Dell didn't give the machine big enough heatsinks or fast enough fans.
[21:28] <ultrixx> j7: does this error occur when starting processing or when starting an app that was written with it
[21:29] <j7>  ultrixx: when starting processing
[21:31] <j7> ultrixx: I think I installed the sun java jdk and not the open jdk
[21:32] <praeludium> Is there a way to install Ubuntu on Natty? I seems to have GLib issues.
[21:33] <terafl0ps> j7, The error sounds like it could be caused by trying to run a class with the wrong version of Java.  I would double check what version of Java your version of processing requires.
[21:35] <killtrace> hi guys,does ubuntu downloads something in background,beside updates?
[21:37] <raidhtc> i have a wired (lan) connection and a wireless(wan) connection . the 1st one is for a local network, the second one is for internet. when both are enabled ubuntu by defaults tries to find internet through lan, how can i make it prefer wireless connection for internet traffic?
[21:40] <raidhtc> back, did i miss an answer?
[21:41] <vicapow> is gparted pretty much the best live cd for increasing a hdd partition size?
[21:41] <raidhtc> i have a wired (lan) connection and a wireless(wan) connection . the 1st one is for a local network, the second one is for internet. when both are enabled ubuntu by defaults tries to find internet through lan, how can i make it prefer wireless connection for internet traffic?
[21:42] <blackmatrix_ny> hey all...any alternatives to using gnome-keyring on ubuntu 10.04 ?
[21:43] <Boreeas> For some reason, the "at"-key (alt_gr+q) stopped working for me. Pressing it does nothing. Does anyone know how to fix that?
[21:45] <blackmatrix_ny> https://gist.github.com/947237  <---- Huge security vulnerability in ubuntu
[21:45] <terafl0ps> raidhtc, you should be able to set your default gateway to the IP address of your wireless router and have it work.
[21:47] <Gnea> blackmatrix_ny: dude, that's from 2008. 4 years ago..
[21:47] <raidhtc> terafl0ps my wireless card is set to dhcp and my wired card has manual ip on a network without a gateway.
[21:48] <raidhtc> when i disable eth0 internet works
[21:48] <raidhtc> when i enable eth0  :) i dont have internet
[21:48] <blackmatrix_ny> Gnea, yup...and it has still not been addressed, and it really makes ubuntu a laughing stock when security is the important thing that they are flaunting
[21:49] <terafl0ps> raidhtc, What subnets do your wireless and wired networks use?
[21:49] <blackmatrix_ny> Gnea, not to mention the attitude of the developers that if you are already logged in then everything is up for grabs which is a microsoft way of thinking about security
[21:49] <oconnore> blackmatrix_ny: the _old_ microsoft way of security
[21:50] <MattFromJax> Anyone get triple tapping working on a synaptics pad?  I'm attempting to pass a true triple click, not an emulated button.  I.e. to select an entire line of text.
[21:50] <raidhtc> i believe they are on 24 both, but one has ips from <IP_ADDRESS>  range and the other from <IP_ADDRESS> range
[21:50] <anega> Hi any idea why Ubuntu 12 does not detect internal 3G modem?
[21:50] <blackmatrix_ny> oconnore, correct...even microsoft doesnt do this blatant exposure of your passwords these days...whats up with ubuntu
[21:51] <samd> blackmatrix_ny: sorry to get into the talk, i just logged in , whats the problem you guys are talking about?
[21:51] <blackmatrix_ny> samd, the gnome-keyring spilling all the beans about your passwords in plain text format
[21:51] <raidhtc> terafl0ps,  i believe they are on 24 both, but one has ips from <IP_ADDRESS>  range and the other from <IP_ADDRESS> range
[21:52] <samd> blackmatrix_ny: ohh i see, thanks
[21:52] <terafl0ps> raidhtc, can you enable your wired NIC, run "netstat -rn"  and then pastebin the output once you disable the wired connection to get back on the Internet?
[21:52] <blackmatrix_ny> the issue had been raised about 3-4 years ago and i still see a recent thread in ubuntu forums and this simple stuff has still not been addressed
[21:52] <blackmatrix_ny> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1965128&highlight=gnome-keyring
[21:52] <DarwinSurvivor> MattFromJax: what have you tried so far (and what were the results)?
[21:52] <raidhtc> terafl0ps,  brb
[21:52] <DarwinSurvivor> MattFromJax: also, did it work in a previous verions (if so, which version(s))
[21:53] <blackmatrix_ny> how are we to recommend ubuntu to others when ubuntu can't even obviously encrypt and save your passwords...this really suck
[21:53] <MattFromJax> DarwinSurvivor: Adjusting FastClick, changing double tap times, disabling third button
[21:53] <terafl0ps> raidhtc: can you also pastebin what you get from ifconfig too ?
[21:54] <MattFromJax> DarwinSurvivor: Unknown.  First time with Linux and touchpad.  It is a MacBook 5,1 if that helps.
[21:54] <raidhtc> test
[21:54] <raidhtc> did i DC at all?
[21:54] <DarwinSurvivor> MattFromJax: by "tripple click" do you mean tapping 3 times, or tapping with 3 fingers?
[21:54] <terafl0ps> raidhtc: You appeared to be in the channel the whole time.
[21:54] <blackmatrix_ny> I mean how easy it would be for a malicious website or malware to run a command on keyring and get all your passwords
[21:55] <raidhtc> terafl0ps, strange, sec i will pastebin
[21:55] <oconnore> blackmatrix_ny: that's probably the big issue -- ubuntu developers aren't facing a large malware issue yet, and are therefore lulled into a false sense of security.
[21:55] <blackmatrix_ny> and the complete reluctance of ubuntu developers regarding this issue which was raised a long time ago and never been addressed is so discomforting
[21:56] <euvaldo> Hello, something is wrong with my flash plugin. I'm using xubuntu 11.10. It worked fine from the CD, but it isn't anymore after I installed the system. I reinstalled the plugin lots of times and nothing happened. I've been searching google but all tutorials I've found seem pretty old. Youtube videos, for instance, simply don't show up. Are there any clues on what is happening, what should I do in order to make it work normally?
[21:56] <MattFromJax> DarwinSurvivor: tapping 3 times.
[21:56] <blackmatrix_ny> oconnore, I'm lulled too by migrating to Ubuntu for better security to find out that I am more exposed now
[21:57] <raidhtc> terafl0ps, http://pastebin.com/YPc5HbTr here you go
[21:58] <DarwinSurvivor> !flash | euvaldo did you try these instructions?
[21:58] <blackmatrix_ny> oconnore, I was actually working on a proof of concept to embed the python script into a javascript and gather all the passwords...but my javascript skills are weak but it's very possible for somebody with better JS skills than me
[21:58] <DarwinSurvivor> MattFromJax: oh, I've never tried that, sorry. I thought you meant 3-finger tap (which I have)
[21:59] <praeludium> Is there a way to install Ubuntu on Natty? I seems to have GLib issues.
[21:59] <oconnore> blackmatrix_ny: you mean to run the script from a website? I would think firefox wouldn't allow that.
[21:59] <terafl0ps> raidhtc, What's happening is your wired router becomes the default gateway when you connect.
[22:00] <MattFromJax> DarwinSurvivor: thanks anyways.  How would you change the address in a browser bar? The content of the textbox isn't selected on focus.
[22:00] <DarwinSurvivor> MattFromJax: you mean Ctrl+L?
[22:00] <raidhtc> thats what i was thinking. how can i override this terafl0ps ? make default gateway my wlan0 connection
[22:00] <blackmatrix_ny> oconnore, first i would write the script content to a file and then execute the script...
[22:01] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: I don't think that would work running from javascript because javascript is sandboxed. otherwise you could just as easily write a javascript that would download the users' e-mails from thunderbird!
[22:02] <DarwinSurvivor> MattFromJax: have you looked at the synaptics documentation? There have been quite a few additions in the last 6 months or so, it may very well support tripple-click with a simply xorg adjustment
[22:02] <terafl0ps> raidhtc, you may be able to configure DHCP on your router not to provide a default gateway.
[22:03] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: if a website can write an executable script and then run it with the same permissions as your user account, you have MUCH bigger problems...
[22:03] <terafl0ps> raidhtc, You could also use static addresses and not assign a gateway in the wired config.
[22:03] <raidhtc> my wired router has disabled dhcp. i use static adressing. i tried putting <IP_ADDRESS> as gateway adress but it didnt work. if i assign blank , i cannot save it through GUI in ubuntu
[22:03] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, im not much of a hacker but if there are python apis to extract the password list and using those apis doesnt require root id then any refined hacker can exploit that easily
[22:04] <raidhtc> terafl0ps, my wired router has disabled dhcp. i use static adressing. i tried putting <IP_ADDRESS> as gateway adress but it didnt work. if i assign blank , i cannot save it through GUI in ubuntu
[22:04] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, i have read somewhere that you can write files using JS, can you change mod of files using JS too ?
[22:05] <terafl0ps> raidhtc, you should be able to set this up in /etc/network/interfaces
[22:05] <yeats> raidhtc: you still need a gateway address...
[22:05] <raidhtc> terafl0ps,  thanks i will give it a try
[22:05] <terafl0ps> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[22:06] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: root has *nothing* to do with it. those passwords are saved in a file that is 100% accessible to the running user (though encrypted). if someone is able to even read the encrypted content, let alone access it while decrypted, they could just as easily hijack your entire web browser and watch all your passwords as you log into websites
[22:06] <yeats> raidhtc: no need for /etc/network/interfaces, just enter the IP of the router as the gateway
[22:06] <terafl0ps> See the section on static configuration.
[22:06] <MattFromJax> DarwinSurvivor: thanks.
[22:06] <terafl0ps>  yeats, I think he wants the LAN to be private and static.
[22:07] <fenrig> Hi i'm looking for a fast system wide proxy switcher (as I use Google chrome) (btw I'm using lucid)
[22:07] <uskerine> hi, very basic question (new into ubuntu distro)... how can I get a console?
[22:07] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: the newest javascript allows for websites to save *data* on your computer that is then accessible to the same site later (basically a really big cookie). Javascript can NOT access ANY files that were not created by that website, nor can it execute anything outside of the javascript sandbox
[22:07] <DarwinSurvivor> MattFromJax: no problem, the synaptics documentation (and man page) are FULL of different options and features that you can enable for some very cool setups on touchpads
[22:08] <terafl0ps> yeats, His WLAN connection is the only valid route to the Internet.
[22:09] <fenrig> is there a good system wide proxy switcher for ubuntu
[22:09] <DarwinSurvivor> fenrig: open network manager and you should be able to change the proxy. if you find an application that does not respect it, please file a bug report
[22:10] <raidhtc> sadf
[22:10] <uskerine> where is terminal in ubuntu 12 (fresh install in unity)
[22:10] <fenrig> DarwinSurvivor: well I can't use profiles in there :o
[22:10] <DarwinSurvivor> uskerine: Ctrl+Alt+T
[22:10] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, so the file is encrypted which is a good thing to know. but the gnome-keyring still has apis that can be used through any python scripts running under the user id in plain text format. Why not encrypt those as well and whichever requesting app will know how to decrypt and use the pwd ?
[22:11] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, btw, what is the filename of the file where the pwds are stored in encrypted format ?
[22:11] <uskerine> oh great, thanks darwinsurvivor
[22:11] <uskerine> :)
[22:12] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: because A) the whole point of gnome-keyring is so each application doesn't have to use its own encryption and B) once someone can execute a script with your credentials, it's game over anyways!
[22:12] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: I'd have to look that up
[22:13] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: hmm, I don't have it installed currently, but I believe it is somewheres in .config/keyring or something like that (still looking)
[22:13] <Boreeas> DarwinSurvivor: Well, not entirely true. If you don't reuse your passwords, someone being able to access the keyring would still hurt
[22:13] <alam> hi guys
[22:14] <euvaldo> !Restricted
[22:14] <alam> hows everyone in here?
[22:14] <alexandr0s> since i upgraded to 12.04 ubuntu. i have this problem>>>> sudo apt-get update >>>>http://pastebin.gr/1843
[22:14] <alexandr0s> open the link
[22:14] <alam> hellow room :D
[22:14] <alam> anyone there..... :/
[22:15] <alexandr0s> please msg me private
[22:15] <alam> wonder if my msgs are going thru
[22:15] <L3top> Do you have a support question alam
[22:15] <Boreeas> alam: Yes, we can see your messages
[22:15] <alam> yes need help
[22:15] <L3top> !details | alam
[22:16] <DarwinSurvivor> Boreeas: it may hurt a *little* more, but once a malicious person/script has gotten your credentials, they can do just about anything including capture your entire firefox session
[22:16] <terafl0ps>  raidhtc: Is that working?
[22:16] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, yea, you're right...it's really game over on that scenario :-) my lack of JS understanding has really put me under the impression that it can write scripts and execute them
[22:16] <L3top> alexandr0s: Running update a couple of times should fix itself.
[22:17] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: you can probably write a python interpreter that would allow you to run python scripts, but the python script wouldn't be able to access anything outside of what firefox lets it
[22:17] <alexandr0s> i have tried this many many times
[22:17] <alam> I am running Ubuntu 11.10 and my sound is not working.... it does if i plug my headphones in
[22:17] <alexandr0s> nothing fixed
[22:17] <DarwinSurvivor> alexandr0s: please stay in the channel so that we can make sure the advice you are receiving is both accurate and safe.
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello, why does my software-center download 72 MB of GIMP while the description says "28 MB to download, 52 MB after installation"?
[22:17] <alam> i am a bit lost in all the text on the screen :/ seems very busy in here
[22:17] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, outside of firefox directory right ? btw what keyring do you use then if you don't use gnome-keyring ?
[22:18] <DarwinSurvivor> Lunar_Lander: please provide a copy of the output that quoted those 3 numbers, they mean nothing out of context
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> well I went to software center and wanted to download GIMP
[22:19] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: I don't use one, I have my firefox passwords save in my firefox password manager and everything else in keepassx
[22:19] <terafl0ps> alam:  I had the exact opposite problem.  My headphones didn't work, but my speakers did.  Plugging in headphones cut off my speakers, but no sound came through the headphones...
[22:19] <L3top> alexandr0s: cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bu; cat /etc/apt/sources.list.bu | sort -u > /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:19] <alam> hummm any ideas on how to fix :/ been trying to read up but new to linux was using windwos till very recent
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> and on the description page it said that 28 MB had to be downloaded and that the program would occupy about 52 MB after installation, so I clicked "install" and when the download began it said "X of 72 MB have been downloaded"
[22:20] <L3top> alexandr0s: then apt-get update should not have the problem anymore.
[22:20] <alam> got rid of that as i wanted some freedom
[22:20] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: not the firefox directory, the firefox *sandbox*. the sandbox prevents the JS from even accessing other tabs that are open in firefox
[22:20] <alam> Uploaded my Alsa script report :/
[22:20] <alam> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=5f...e6f1931ce0826f
[22:20] <terafl0ps> alam: I don't know what the root cause is, but I worked around it by running alsamixer from a command line and then muting my master volume, changing my master volume, and then muting and unmuting my headphone volume.
[22:21] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, gotcha...hey men, you just restored my confidence in ubuntu :-)
[22:21] <L3top> Yes alam, it is busy in here, this is why it is best to limit your communication to a single line, with details of your problem.
[22:22] <DarwinSurvivor> Lunar_Lander: there could be a number of reasons. inaccurate calcuation of dependencies, cache updating, repo updating, etc.
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> ah thanks!
[22:22] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, does chrome also operate like that or it allows script execution outside the sandbox
[22:22] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: glad to hear it. if you have any other questions about firefox's sandbox, check out their irc channel (or forums). they are *very* open about their security practices
[22:23] <terafl0ps> alam:  I have a feeling the same procedure might work for you if you do the same thing only with the speaker channel in alsamixer instead of the headphone channel.
[22:23] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: I don't know of ANY browsers that allow javascript to execute outside the sandbox. even IE6 had protections there (not perfect mind you)
[22:24] <alam> where and how do i access alsamixer
[22:24] <alam> ?
[22:25] <terafl0ps> alam: Open a terminal by pressing "ctrl+alt+T"
[22:25] <terafl0ps> then type in "alsamixer"
[22:25] <grpace> Greetings all!  I have just tried using the Ubuntu One Cloud Storage.  I uploaded a small text file there as a test, and sent email to share it with a buddy.  However, it seems they could not access the shared folder unless they created their own separate account there.  While they got 5Gb when signing up, free...  They may never use it.  Is this really the way Ubuntu One works ??
[22:25] <alam> cheers
[22:25] <Lady-Tux> hi i want to ask something....why is it that when i clicked my folder instead for the folder that will open it seems my virtualbox is the one that will pop-up what seems to be the problem?
[22:25] <oconnore> blackmatrix_ny: I fail to see where you confidence was restored. The entire keyring should not be available to any process running with user permissions.
[22:25] <L3top> alam this may also be helpful http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1843523
[22:25] <alam> okay now i really feel a bit daft here... but how do i change settings?
[22:26] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, will most definetly check out the firefox channel...I have some questions about JS capabilities on the browser
[22:26] <terafl0ps> alam: The right and left arrows move you from channel to channel.
[22:26] <L3top> alam arrow keys left and right, up and down, M is mute/unmute... f6 will change adapters if you have more than one.
[22:26] <terafl0ps> Up and down increase or decrease volume.
 i send the results o private
[22:27] <alam> okay will try :D get back in a bit to let you know
[22:27] <alam> Thanks
[22:27] <L3top> sorry use sudo for both operations alexandr0s
[22:27] <mkquist> possible to install gimp 2.8 on 11.04?
[22:27] <blackmatrix_ny> oconnore, Im relieved that I wouldn't get a malicious attacker from a browser to be able to run those gnome-keyring apis
[22:27] <uskerine> hi, how could I create an account type where I can define what what icons are shown (hence which applications can the user actually use)?
[22:27] <L3top> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bu; sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list.bu | sort -u > /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:27] <L3top> alexandr0s: ^
[22:28] <DarwinSurvivor> uskerine: what is the use-case?
[22:28] <oconnore> blackmatrix_ny: yeah *that* would terrible, but still, someone that walks up to my laptop with a program on a usb key should not be able to dump all my passwords. A decent alternative would be to run the keyring/config as root, and only submit keyring entries to approved applications.
[22:28] <bastidrazor> gt5tr8u5~4e6z5 ~~c5d4T
[22:29] <Lady-Tux> anyone?
[22:29] <uskerine> DarwinSurvivor, I want to setup a generic account for users accesing a server through thin-clients in office environment, hence i would like to avoid them installing anything or changing configuration, configuring email or messanging other than a pre-configured one by the admin
[22:29] <DarwinSurvivor> oconnore: so you have no problem with them being able to download all your e-mails, copy your tax returns and steal your browser history with that USB drive?
[22:29] <uskerine> DarwinSurvivor: I basically want them to use libreoffice & firefox and a VoIP client
alexandr0s@alexandr0s:~$ sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list.bu | sort -u > /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:30] <L3top> Lady-Tux: I do not follow your question. Can you restate it? what is "my folder"
[22:30] <blackmatrix_ny> oconnore, true but If a person has that intention and ability to run a script then even if you encrypt your passwords then they can install a backdoor or keylogger or much more stuffs to get your information...
alexandr0s@alexandr0s:~$ sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list.bu | sort -u > /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:30] <DarwinSurvivor> escott: you could always just uninstall everything else, but nothing really stops them from running stuff of a usb drive. basically: is this a usability or security issue?
[22:30] <Lady-Tux> any folder when i clicked it instead of the folder that will display it seems virtualbox will be the open that'll be opened
[22:30] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: that is less bad than all active passwords, yes.
bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[22:31] <L3top> alexandr0s: type sudo -s and just run the first one again. cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bu; cat /etc/apt/sources.list.bu | sort -u > /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:31] <L3top> then exit
[22:31] <alam> hi again ... seems i am still stuck :/
[22:32] <Lady-Tux> any folder when i clicked it instead of the folder that will display it seems virtualbox will be the open that'll be opened  L3top
[22:32] <DarwinSurvivor> oconnore: even ssh keys (possibly the most important thing on your computer) are stored in clear text and readable by any application with your credentials
[22:32] <alam> doesnt seem to have made any difference - the settings were all on but i still muted them and refreshed and started them again
[22:32] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, btw, did you mean that you were going to look into the idea that passwords using the gnome-keyring api will only be available to the application that stored the password only ?
[22:32] <DarwinSurvivor> oconnore: basically: Don't run software you don't trust. if you REALLY must, use a virtual machine or guest-session to do it!
[22:32] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: for example, they would not be able to read my gpg encrypted emails, or my gpg encrypted tax returns
[22:33] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: if my passphrase is compromised, all of that data is exposed.
[22:33] <DarwinSurvivor> oconnore: who is "they"?
[22:33] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: this person who walked up and ran the python script
[22:33] <terafl0ps> alam:  Did you try changing the master volume, muting the headphones, muting the speaker, changing the master volume again, and unmuting the speaker?
[22:33] <L3top> "will be the open that'll be opened" is just not clear Lady-Tux. I am sorry if there is a language barrier... are you saying any folder you attempt to open somehow opens virtual box, or that you are in virtualbox and... something else is happening?
[22:33] <DarwinSurvivor> oconnore: that's why you don't leave your computer unattended!
[22:33] <DarwinSurvivor> oconnore: or at the *very* least, lock the screen when you walk away
[22:34] <alam> terafl0ps: yup... muted and unmuted them all
[22:34] <grpace> C'mon folks...  Just a simple question about Ubuntu One Cloud Storage???  No one willing to help ??
[22:34] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: that's not the point, it's a retarded program design
[22:34] <L3top> !patience | grpace
[22:34] <DarwinSurvivor> oconnore: I don't understand why you are so upset about the keyring, but don't care about any of the OTHER stuff they have access to!
[22:34] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: why expose my passwords when it's not necessary?
[22:34] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: because anything I actually care about is encrypted with gpg
[22:34] <Lady-Tux> that's it sorry for the typo i'm a bit sleepy ..... when i open my folder somehow vbox app will open
[22:34] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: as long as the passphrase is secret, nothing else matters
[22:34] <grpace> Thank you, ubottu.
[22:35] <DarwinSurvivor> oconnore: and do you use a separate gpg key for every applications files?
[22:35] <alam> terafl0ps:
[22:35] <DarwinSurvivor> oconnore: and how are you decrypting these files? if you use an ecryptfs-style setup, as soon as the encrypted files are mounted, they are visible anyways
[22:35] <alam> whoops...
[22:35] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: what are you talking about? the gpg program...
[22:35] <terafl0ps> alam:  I'm not sure then.  There have been a fair number of problems with audio in this release.
[22:35] <L3top> Where are you clicking this folder from Lady-Tux, and what version of ubuntu are you on, and which Desktop Environment?
[22:36] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: in a memory mounted tmpfs
[22:36] <oconnore> which i unmount before i leave
[22:36] <VOA> test
[22:36] <alam> terafl0ps: okay... no worries :)) thanks for your help
[22:36] <DarwinSurvivor> oconnore: yes, and those memory-mounted tmpfs's are visible just like any outher mounted partition, so if any application has the tmpfs mounted, all the others can see the contents anyways
[22:37] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: for that short period of time, yes. I fail to see what your point is.
[22:37] <Lady-Tux> at my panel next to Applications....and that is Places >  "ladytux folder" when i click it vbox app will open....i got ubuntu 10.04 lts
[22:37] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, is it possible to make the key-ring provide password only to the application that saved it ?
[22:37] <DarwinSurvivor> if your security practice is to unmount your gpg tmpfs when you leave, then either lock your gnome-keyring as well or just lock the login session
[22:37] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: it's the difference between exposing short peices of information vs. exposing everything I have ever encrypted.
[22:38] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: not that I know of, how would it authenticate an application anyways?
[22:38] <ascend716> i upgraded and am screwed now i cant get pass 640X 480 even on the off chance i am lucky enough to boot to last working version
[22:38] <ascend716>  i have no cd roms and cannot boot through usb
[22:38] <oconnore> *pieces
[22:38] <DarwinSurvivor> ascend716: how did you perform the initial installation?
[22:39] <ascend716> ANYWAY toi go back to 10.10 the last version that worked
[22:39] <Lady-Tux> at my panel next to Applications....and that is Places >  "ladytux folder" when i click it vbox app will open....i got ubuntu 10.04 lts L3top
[22:39] <uskerine> DarwinSurvivor, any recommended web site or faq to customize user accounts to limit their usage to the minimum (libreoffice & firefox)
[22:39] <uskerine> ?
[22:39] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, there must be a way for the creating app to have the private key. And the public key and encrypted password would be stored in the keyring. So only that app can decrypt that password
[22:39] <ascend716> i did through the update center
[22:39] <L3top> Lady-Tux: can you right click the folder and look through the properties for a possible answer?
[22:39] <ascend716> upgraded to 11.04 and then 11.10
[22:39] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, or some similar mechanism like that

 same problem
[22:40] <DarwinSurvivor> blackmatrix_ny: then you need a way for the application to store a public/private key that the other applications can't get to and you are back to square 1
[22:40] <ascend716> the initial install was done when my cd drive still worked
[22:40] <ejo> Is there a way to open an additional instance of a GUI program (in this case, my database administration tool)?  Normally clicking on it in the launcher opens a maximum of one instance.
 nothing happend
[22:40] <DarwinSurvivor> uskerine: is this a usability (make it simply for the user) request, or a security (they MUST NOT run those applications) request?
[22:40] <ejo> Would it be specific to each program?  I'm working with pgadmin3 for postgresql on ubuntu 12.04.
[22:40] <Nogal> Hello everyone; I've got a few issues, fairly newbie, that I was wondering if I could get some help with.
[22:40] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, right...
[22:40] <DarwinSurvivor> ejo: try middle-clicking
[22:40] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: there has to be a way to limit arbitrary program access to the full keyring...
[22:40] <oconnore> I don't know why you can't see the value of that
[22:40] <L3top> alexandr0s: Please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:41] <uskerine> it is a combination of usability and security (to avoid them play with the system and hence reducing the overhead of mantaining the server). it will be a single server for 10 users
[22:41] <ejo> DarwinSurvivor: thank you!  I don't have a middle button configured on my mouse
[22:41] <ascend716> is there anyway to mount and iso and get it to reinstall old version?
[22:41] <DarwinSurvivor> oconnore: what you are asking for is per-application sandboxing. outside of cellphones, this isn't done on ANY operating system
[22:41] <blackmatrix_ny> oconnore, but how would you go about that...im still thinking of ways
[22:41] <CaptObvious> hey guys, I installed the official ATI graphics drivers on ubuntu server by using apt-get install fglrxinfo fglrx-amdcccle and then rebooted, but fglrxinfo is giving me "Error: unable to open display (null)" - any ideas?
[22:41] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: no i'm not. I'm asking for per application keyring limits.
[22:41] <DarwinSurvivor> ejo: try clicking the left and right at the same time, it should emulate a middle mouse click
[22:41] <ascend716> the only displays that ever worked for me were in 8.04 and 10.10
[22:41] <ejo> CaptObvious: if you can get by without fglrx, just skip it!
[22:42] <ejo> CaptObvious: especially on a server OS install you won't need 3D acceleration...
[22:42] <ascend716> i have partial use in 11.10
[22:42] <Nogal> Does anyone know how to take the wireless that my router is recieving and to connect another PC via lan to my ubuntu laptop to give said pc a bridge to the wireless?
[22:42] <CaptObvious> I can't, otherwise I could
[22:42] <CaptObvious> yes, I will
 http://pastebin.gr/1844
[22:42] <mkquist> anyone know if gimp 2.8 can be compiled for 11.04?
[22:42] <CaptObvious> I wouldn't be asking if I didn't need it
[22:42] <Lady-Tux> L3top, same i can't do a right click on it ..... it still open vbox application if i do it
[22:42] <DarwinSurvivor> mkquist: doubtful (at least easily), it probably needs a lot of updated libraries. probably easier just to upgrade to 12.04
[22:43] <blackmatrix_ny> DarwinSurvivor, does firefox or keypassx save the pwds in similar fashion like gnome-keyring ?
[22:44] <L3top> Lady-Tux: can you navigate to this folder in command line?
[22:44] <Cerin> I'm running 12.04 on a macbook. Gnome-shell crashed, making the UI unusable, so I did a hard reboot and now it looks like my machine is unbootable. Selecting the recovery kernel from the grub menu ends with the message "edd informatino not available". Please, can someone help me recover my machine?
[22:44] <Lady-Tux> L3top, how?
[22:44] <DarwinSurvivor> oconnore: unless someone can come up with a way to positively identify an application, isolating passwords per-application isn't going to be possible without the user supplying a separate password for each one
[22:44] <L3top> one moment Lady-Tux
[22:44] <yooha> hello guys
[22:44] <Nogal> anyone know how to bridge a wireless to wired connnection in ubuntu?
[22:45] <blackmatrix_ny> Cerin, booting from usb ?
[22:45] <yooha> when i type some site its takes me to localhost any idea how to fix this
[22:45] <DarwinSurvivor> uskerine: and why can't you simply remove the applications?
[22:45] <Cerin> blackmatrix_ny: no, just the hdd
[22:46] <blackmatrix_ny> Cerin, try booting from a ubuntu usb
[22:46] <blackmatrix_ny> Cerin, maybe some files corrupted in hdd
[22:46] <CaptObvious> no ideas on "Error: unable to open display (null)"?
[22:46] <stars69> hi what is the package name for flash anyone?
[22:46] <terafl0ps> Nogal, take a look at http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man5/bridge-utils-interfaces.5.html
[22:46] <LordOfTime> !flash | stars69
[22:47] <stars69> LordOfTime, thanks
[22:47] <yooha> guys any one knows why when i type some site in the bar adress its takes me to localhost ??
[22:47] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: what IP address do you see if you run "ping google.com" in the terminal?
[22:48] <Nogal> terafl0ps: thank you
[22:48] <terafl0ps> You're welcome.
[22:48] <oconnore> DarwinSurvivor: pathname would be better than nothing. the user can't install to /usr/bin, and most application permissions will be to /usr/bin/whatever.
[22:49] <ejo> DarwinSurvivor: Thanks again -- no result from the "both buttons click".  Maybe I should pursue the mouse click emulation first?  Is it the default of the 12.04 launcher to open additional application instances on middle-click?
[22:49] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: this PING google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[22:49] <uskerine> DarwinSurvivor, can "dashHome" be removed?
[22:50] <DarwinSurvivor> ejo: it should be. there may also be a right-click menu option to open another instance (I don't have my 12.04 machine in front of me)
[22:50] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor : this PING google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[22:51] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: ok, now if you run "wget google.com; firefox index.html" what do you see?
[22:51] <Nogal> terafl0ps: sorry lost connection before i even started lol
[22:52] <DarwinSurvivor> uskerine: possibly, but there wouldn't be much left of unity if you did.
[22:52] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor :  this --2012-05-20 22:51:57--  http://google.com/
[22:52] <yooha> Résolution de google.com... <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, ...
[22:53] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: something should have opened in firefox, what did it look like?
[22:53] <Nogal> terafl0ps: can you help explain this link to me?
[22:53] <yooha> yeh in chromuim its the page i jsut downloaded
[22:53] <DarwinSurvivor> uskerine: are these workstations that the same person will be using over and over?
[22:54] <uskerine> DarwinSurvivor, I want an interface as simple as possible, office icons, firefox icon, and home documents icon. I hope that it would be easier to use for the users
 http://pastebin.gr/1844
 ??????
[22:54] <ejo> DarwinSurvivor: If the launcher's right-click menu for this particular app doesn't contain any option for opening an additional instance, is that then just something the app itself doesn't offer?  If that's likely then maybe I won't overly trouble myself over this.
[22:54] <DarwinSurvivor> uskerine: you could always just put those launcher in the launcher bar (and take out the others) and tell them to just launch stuff from there.
[22:54] <DarwinSurvivor> ejo: which application?
[22:55] <terafl0ps> Nogal: It is describing how you would bridge two interfaces in your /etc/network/interfaces file.  The example config makes a bridge out of all available interfaces on the machine.
[22:55] <ejo> DarwinSurvivor: pgadmin3 -- it's the GUI admin client for postgreSQL.
[22:55] <terafl0ps> You can think of a network switch as a multiport bridge.
[22:55] <ejo> DarwinSurvivor: naturally I asked in #postgresql but they're not too big on the GUI client ;)
[22:55] <DarwinSurvivor> ejo: hmm, never used it. try it with firefox, if you get firefox to do it but not your tool, then it may be the tool
[22:56] <Nogal> I tried adding the "auto br0" code to my /etc/network/intferfaces
[22:56] <Nogal> however when I tried sudo ifup br0 it told me that it cannot find the device
[22:56] <ejo> DarwinSurvivor: yes, Firefox offers an "open a new window" option -- that's one of the data points that made me think that offering that option or not is on a per-application basis in Ubuntu
[22:56] <terafl0ps> A bridge passes frames from one interface to the other if the destination MAC address lies on the opposite side of the bridge, otherwise it doesn't let the frame across.
[22:57] <DarwinSurvivor> ejo: then it could very well be an application limitation. try contacting the developer of the GUI
[22:57] <ejo> DarwinSurvivor: and of course the default Terminal application does as well, that was my other hint
[22:57] <adrian_2E0SDR> I have removed LXDE & Openbox, but there are still bits left behind, plus they still show in the Desktop selection, how can i remove all traces of them?
[22:57] <Nogal> terafl0ps: that was a bit over my head...
[22:57] <ejo> DarwinSurvivor: yes, thanks again.  That's it for now!
[22:58] <DarwinSurvivor> ejo: no problem
[22:58] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  whats next ?? ; ]
[22:58] <terafl0ps> Nogal: br0 probably doesn't exist yet.
[22:59] <terafl0ps> br0 is the name of the bridge interface.
[22:59] <Nogal> how do i make it exist?
[22:59] <terafl0ps> You would need to do "brctl addbr br0" first.
[22:59] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: when you see localhost, does the address bar change to localhost?
[22:59] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: or just the page content?
[22:59] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: noo
[22:59] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: just page content
[23:00] <Nogal> thank you -- getting the package now
[23:00] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: how do you know it's localhost? do you have a webserver running or something like that?
[23:00] <Cerin> blackmatrix_ny: even the live cd seems to be locking up. I've tried the "recover a broken system" and nothing happened for 10 minutes
[23:00] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: yeh apache
[23:00] <terafl0ps> Nogal: this is kind of an advanced setup.  You might want to read through http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/bridge before diving right in.
[23:00] <yooha> buti rember i removed it i guess DarwinSurvivor
[23:01] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: could you provide a screenshot by any chance?
[23:01] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: i still have it
[23:01] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: sure hang on
[23:02] <Cerin> blackmatrix_ny: and now I can't even get the CD out because grub doesn't support the eject button
[23:03] <blackmatrix_ny> Cerin, don't you have a USB ?
[23:04] <scar3crow> I have lost rear audio after installing ampache and lamp stack... what did I do wrong pls?
[23:04] <Cerin> blackmatrix_ny: macbooks don't work with ubuntu live usbs
[23:04] <Cerin> blackmatrix_ny: something about them using efi, whereas the live usbs expect something else
[23:04] <blackmatrix_ny> Cerin, I'm not sure how to go about debugging your grub then...maybe other folks who know well about it might help...sorry mate
[23:05] <ejo> DarwinSurvivor: I overlooked the obvious! ahaha.  /usr/bin/pgadmin3 launches an additional instance without complaint or error.
[23:05] <DarwinSurvivor> ejo: well, there you go then :)
[23:06] <LinTux> anybody here using GNURADIO
[23:06] <DarwinSurvivor> ejo: actually, if running the command again works, then turning on middle-mouse-button-emulation will probably work!
[23:06] <Cerin> I'm running 12.04 on a macbook. Gnome-shell crashed, making the UI unusable, so I did a hard reboot and now it looks like my machine is unbootable. Selecting the recovery kernel from the grub menu ends with the message "edd information not available". Please, can someone help me recover my machine?
[23:06] <DarwinSurvivor> ejo: I think the "second window" and "second terminal" items in firefox & terminal are ADDED by the applications.
[23:07] <L3top> alexandr0s: You do not have duplicate sources as near as I can tell. You should not receive an error after apt-get update
 but the problem remains,
[23:09] <OerHeks> L3top, i see 1 line without gr. >> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security universe multiverse main restricted
[23:09] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: i sent u it pls accept it
[23:09] <Nogal> terafl0ps: thank you, the document let me know that it is not currently supported for wireless. unfortunately this is something windows does do out of the box...
[23:10] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: sent me it?
[23:10] <terafl0ps> Nogal, what are you trying to ultimately accomplish?
[23:10] <L3top> alexandr0s: can you please post the line which says it is duplicated?
 what is happening can you please explain???
[23:10] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor the screen capture
yes
[23:10] <Nogal> terafl0ps: ultimately i'm trying to repair another laptop. i think i'm just going to reformat ext4 and start over though.
[23:10] <L3top> It appears that because you have a gr and a non gr link, it shows as duplication as OerHeks suggests.
[23:11] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: please use http://imagebin.org/?page=add
[23:11] <Nogal> i installed 12.04 on it last night and everything is sluggish as hell, unity keeps crashing
[23:11] <Nogal> was trying to bridge a connection to at least get it online as the wireless card is missing firmware
[23:11] <terafl0ps> Nogal: but are you trying to share Internet connectivity from one interface to another?
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[23:11] <alexandr0s> Reading package lists... Done
[23:11] <alexandr0s> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/multiverse i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/gr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages)
[23:11] <alexandr0s> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/restricted i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/gr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_restricted_binary-i386_Packages)
[23:11] <alexandr0s> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[23:12] <OerHeks> L3top, alexandr0s yes, delete or # the line without gr.
[23:12] <Nogal> I am, purely to get the 2nd laptop's wireless cards firmware
[23:12] <ejo> DarwinSurvivor: I see, thanks
[23:12] <DarwinSurvivor> !paste | alexandr0s
[23:12] <terafl0ps> Nogal: So you have one machine with a working wireless ethernet connection to the Internet, and you want to make that Internet connection available to a second machine through a wired link?
 ok??? can you read this?
[23:13] <Nogal> yes
 ok??? can you read the lines
[23:13] <L3top> alexandr0s: type sudo -s and then: cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bu; cat /etc/apt/sources.list.bu | grep 'gr.arch' > /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:13] <terafl0ps> Nogal: Ok.  We can do that without bridging.
[23:14] <L3top> that is probably easier than walking you through editing as root
[23:15] <Nogal> I'm interested in hearing more...
 ok
 then?? apt-get update as root??
[23:15] <terafl0ps> Nogal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/998190/
 or exit from root and then sudo apt-get update
[23:16] <terafl0ps> Nogal:  I wrote that script earlier to do just that. :)
[23:16] <L3top> apt-get update as root
[23:16] <L3top> alexandr0s: ^
[23:16] <Nogal> terafl0ps I'm a n00b, do I run that in my terminal?
 what ^ means
[23:16] <alexandr0s> ?
[23:16] <Cerin> I'm running 12.04 on a macbook. Gnome-shell crashed, making the UI unusable, so I did a hard reboot and now it looks like my machine is unbootable. Selecting the recovery kernel from the grub menu ends with the message "edd information not available". Please, can someone help me recover my machine?
[23:17] <L3top> It means look up as I forgot to type alexandr0s.
[23:17] <Nogal> i really appreciate this by the way
[23:17] <alexandr0s> ok
[23:17] <terafl0ps> Nogal:  Yes, but you may need to make some changes depending on the configuration of your Ubuntu machine with the wireless connection.
[23:17] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  here you go http://imagebin.org/213182
[23:17] <terafl0ps> Nogal: It assumes your wireless card is wlan0
[23:17] <terafl0ps> and your wired card is eth0
 nothing changed
[23:18] <Nogal> my wireless is wlan0 and my lan port is eth0
[23:18] <Jirayabetter> hi all
[23:18] <Jirayabetter> i've to abilitaty the 3d acceleration on an integrated chipset
[23:18] <terafl0ps> Nogal: It also sets your wired interface to have an IP of <IP_ADDRESS>.
[23:18] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: and that happens in *all* your browsers?
[23:19] <terafl0ps> Nogal: So you could give your second machine an IP address of <IP_ADDRESS>.
[23:19] <terafl0ps> and point the second machine to <IP_ADDRESS> as its default gateway
[23:19] <Jirayabetter> the version is intel GM 965
[23:19] <Nogal> terafl0ps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/998196/
[23:19] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  you got it ?
[23:20] <Jirayabetter> can somebody help?
[23:20] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: yes, I got the link. does it do that in ALL your browsers?
[23:20] <MestreLion> guys... I'm having a problem with Aisleriot (Solitaire) and the launcher...
[23:21] <terafl0ps> Nogal:  Ah.  When I ran the script I did it as root.  You need to put a "sudo" in front of all of those commands.
[23:21] <Jirayabetter> my question was ignored?
[23:21] <MestreLion> guys... I'm having a problem with Aisleriot (Solitaire) and the launcher... if I pin it to the launcher, it stops identifying windows... i can launch, but I cannot list or control its windows... is this a known issue?
[23:21] <Jirayabetter> \connect
[23:21] <escott> !ask | Jirayabetter
[23:22] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  not all some sites
[23:22] <Jirayabetter> ok. i've to abilitaty the 3d acceleration on an integrated chipset. the version is intel GM 965
[23:22] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  and this one included
[23:22] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: ok, but what about other *browsers* (firefox, etc)?
[23:23] <Cerin> blackmatrix_ny: I finally got it to boot the live cd. what do I do now that I
[23:23] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: i have only chromuim and i rember the FF does that too tho
[23:23] <escott> Jirayabetter, abilitaty??
[23:23] <MestreLion> So far it it only happend to Aisleriot. And worse: if I unpin it while some instances are running, the windows get completely lost (not in the launcher at all, or in ATL+TAB), if I minimuze them they just disappear
[23:23] <Jirayabetter> sry enable
[23:23] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: can you pastebin your /etc/hosts file?
[23:24] <escott> Jirayabetter, you don't need to do anything to enable acceleration on intel chipsets
[23:24] <Jirayabetter> but i've installed playonlinux and he said the 3d acceleration is not enables
[23:24] <Cerin> blackmatrix_ny: *I'm in? I've entered rescue mode, and I can load a shell, reinstaller, reinstall grub, etc
[23:24] <Jirayabetter> enabled
[23:25] <Nogal> terafl0ps: sorry my connection crashed there, I figured out "sudo su" for this one
[23:25] <terafl0ps> Nogal: Did all of those commands run successfully on the connected machine?
[23:25] <Nogal> yes
[23:25] <LinuX2half> how do you shut down the computer? I'm running Ubuntu 12.04, it seems there's no option for it.
[23:25] <escott> Jirayabetter, intel GMA is a very poor 3d chipset
[23:25] <terafl0ps> Great.
[23:26] <Nogal> linux2half: top right gear, click it for a menu
[23:26] <Jirayabetter> so i can try to ignore it and install the game?
[23:26] <terafl0ps> Nogal: Now give the second machine an IP of <IP_ADDRESS> with a subnet mask of <IP_ADDRESS>.
[23:26] <LinuX2half> Nogal: All I see is two accounts
[23:26] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  ok
[23:26] <L3top> alexandr0s: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list again. Keeping in mind, that this message is harmless... and nothing bad will happen to your system, perhaps we can figure out why it sees duplicates.
[23:26] <Jirayabetter> world of warcraft runned successfully on that machone
[23:26] <Nogal> there should be a gear next to the accounts
[23:27] <LinuX2half> Nogal: User accounts, Switch user, no shutdown option
[23:27] <Nogal> ok teraflops do I do that through etc/network/interfaces?
[23:27] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: if you are having difficulties getting files onto pastebin, use pastebinit
[23:27] <DarwinSurvivor> !pastebinit | yooha
[23:27] <Nogal> linux2half try running an update to see if for some reason it's missing
[23:27] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: intall that, then just run "pastebinit /etc/hosts"
[23:28] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/998205/
[23:28] <Cerin> blackmatrix_ny: thanks, I'm not sure how, but that fixed it
[23:28] <LinuX2half> Nogal: nope, I run the command apt-get update but it didn't detect anything wrong or install anything.
[23:28] <terafl0ps> Nogal:  The default gateway for the second machine should be <IP_ADDRESS>, and you'll have to Go into it's /etc/resolv.conf and point it to a valid DNS server so it can resolve I hostnames.
[23:29] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: hmm, that looks normal
 http://pastebin.gr/1845
[23:29] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: can you run "traceroute google.com"?
[23:30] <kuranta> hey, I'm having trouoble after trying to update to precise
[23:30] <kuranta> can anyone help?
[23:30] <Nogal> terafl0ps: it tells me "do not edit this by hand -- changes will be overwritten."
[23:30] <LordOfTime> !details | kuranta
[23:31] <terafl0ps> Nogal:  network manager overwrites it if you change settings there, but since this is a temporary configuration for troubleshooting the second machine anyway, you can safely ignore it. :)
[23:31] <kuranta> Sorry! The update was going fine until it asked me to restart. When I did so, my mouse and keyboard weren't working properly, no icons were visible, and the background to my desktop was solid blue
[23:31] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/998210/
[23:31] <Nogal> ok... what changes do i make?
[23:32] <terafl0ps> Nogal: is there a nameserver listed?
[23:32] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: ok, is "google.com" one of the addresse that works or doesn't work in chromium?
[23:32] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  it does work
[23:33] <kuranta> I tried booting from an old kernel, and the mouse worked but now absolutely nothing was working once I logged in.
[23:33] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: oops. can you try traceroute with one that doesn't work :P
[23:33] <yooha> ok
[23:33] <Nogal> terafl0ps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/998211/
[23:34] <Nogal> that's all that is in resolv.conf
[23:34] <kuranta> anyone?
[23:34] <terafl0ps> Nogal: add a line that reads "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"
[23:35] <adio> I'm having troubles with ubuntu over heating on LTS over heating on my laptop, i've cleaned it out all the fans work, I
[23:35] <terafl0ps> That's an OpenDNS name server.
[23:35] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/998213/
[23:35] <adio> god i can't type today
[23:35] <escott> !info powertop | adio
[23:35] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: do you know what dns server you are using? if not, please pastebin the contents of /etc/resolv.conf
[23:35] <indian> any one using virtualbox 4.1.14 and tried 3d acceleration
[23:36] <terafl0ps> indian: I have.
[23:36] <indian> terafl0ps, I am getting crash or lag when I try to play any video
[23:36] <goddard> can I get some help with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1817164
[23:36] <nydel> help please: i'm having trouble getting my remote to work with VLC in ubuntu
[23:36] <terafl0ps> indian: What guest OS?
[23:37] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/998216/
[23:37] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: ok, who is your internet service provider?
[23:37] <kuranta> anyone want to help? my computer is just totally borked after attempting to update to 12.04
[23:37] <indian> terafl0ps, windows 7 and windows xp
[23:37] <nydel> goddard: i doubt i can help but i'm taking a look
[23:37] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  im from morroco and im using my phone as a modem
[23:38] <nydel> kuranta: tell me the problem
[23:38] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: OH, that would have been good to know to start with. do those websites open properly on your phone?
[23:38] <Daedalus_> Hi all. I have one quick noob question and I'm done if anyone is able to help.
[23:38] <indian> terafl0ps, what guest are you using?
[23:39] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: if i change my server dns fo eg to google ones it ll get overided
[23:39] <kuranta> nydel: once I restarted after the update, the mouse and keyboard were no longer working properly, all icons were invisible or just white boxes with red x's, and the desktop background was solid blue.
[23:39] <terafl0ps> Indian: same as you Windows 7 and XP on an Ubuntu 12.04 host.
[23:39] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  noo lately adf.ly it doesnt but i dont see why tho
[23:39] <indian> terafl0ps, do you have video playback with 3d acceleration enbaled
[23:39] <Daedalus_> I'm using the windows installer. It askes about installation size, is this in reference to free space it will allocate for ubuntu or is in reference to a larger install package?
[23:39] <L3top> alexandr0s: please type gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and place a #  at the beginning of line 3, and save the file, and run update again.
[23:40] <Nogal> back... crashed my connection again
[23:40] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: my guess is your cellphone provider is blocking it. set your dns a 3rd party one and it will probably start working
[23:40] <terafl0ps> Indian: I haven't done a lot with it, but I noticed DirectX stuff was really laggy in that configuration.
[23:40] <kuranta> nydel: I tried booting from an old kernel, and it solved some of the problems but made others worse
[23:40] <Nogal> i think i'm going to give up on this and just leave windowsXP on the other laptop
[23:40] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  and how can i do that ??
[23:41] <terafl0ps> Indian:  What setting are you thinking of for video playback?
[23:41] <Nogal> i'll give it 1 more fresh install but after that i'll just expand NTFS
[23:41] <indian> terafl0ps, I got some CBT's that I can only play in windows
 #deb http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise restricted multiverse (LIKE THIS)
[23:42] <indian> I have 570m card I enbaled 3d accelration and gave 128 to 256mb video memory
[23:42] <L3top> correct alexandr0s
[23:42] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: open network manager, go to your connection and change the DNS settings to manual and use "<IP_ADDRESS>" (google's dns)
[23:42] <indian> still it crashes when playing any video
[23:42] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: i have only the command line version no GUI
[23:43] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: alternatively, you could try changing the DNS server on your phone (since your laptop is using the phone's DNS), but it's probably locked
[23:43] <terafl0ps> Indian:  Does virtualbox itself crash?
[23:43] <goddard> nydel: thanks pal
[23:43] <L3top> goddard: that seems to have a solution in it... what issue are you still having?
[23:43] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: what tool do you use for connecting to the phone?
[23:43] <indian> terafl0ps, nope just vlc
[23:43] <goddard> L3top: it does?
[23:43] <yooha> wired theter DarwinSurvivor
[23:43] <kuranta> anyone, help? I don't even know where to start on fixing this. Broken mouse and keyboard and blue background after updating to 12.04. Booting to old kernel doesn't help much
[23:44] <skx> hey, after the upgrade to 12.04 something weird happened to grub and it doesn't boot the newest kernel by default but the older one (from 11.10), how do I fix it?
[23:44] <goddard> L3top: i plug the drive in and it doesn't show up in a USB 3.0 slot
wait for pastebin the result ok??
[23:44] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: no, which *ubuntu* tool are you using (wicd-curses, ifconfig, etc)?
[23:44] <esmirlin> hey guys do you know how to get multitouch gestures in precise?
[23:44] <goddard> L3top: it works perfectly in a USB 2.0 slot
[23:44] <terafl0ps> Indian:  I can't help there really because I don't normally run VLC in Windows in VB.
[23:44] <skx> hey, after the upgrade to 12.04 something weird happened to grub and it doesn't boot the newest kernel by default but the older one (from 11.10), how do I fix it? the new grub configuration is seriously complicated
[23:45] <L3top> goddard: does lsusb see it? the 3.0?
[23:45] <terafl0ps> Nogal: When you say you crashed your connection, what happened?
http://pastebin.gr/1846
[23:45] <L3top> the solution there goddard is to edit grub w GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pci=nomsi"
[23:45] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: i didnt get ur question but i use network manager without GUI
[23:45] <indian> terafl0ps, I tried with WMP and it lags after few seconds and finally gets stuck
[23:45] <Nogal> terafl0ps: while I had the two laptops connected via lan cable it kept breaking my wireless connection
[23:45] <L3top> well there you go alexandr0s.
[23:46] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: cnetworkmanager?
[23:46] <zybaldo> algum brasileiro por aqui?
[23:46] <kuranta> help!anyone, help? Nonfunctioning mouse and keyboard and blue background after updating to 12.04. Booting to old kernel doesn't help much (although there at least I can get to the command line)
[23:46] <indian> terafl0ps, but I can play without 3d acceleration but then I read with 3d the playback taxing on CPU will be less
now let's see if the update manager works properly
[23:46] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: basically, can you paste the command you use to connect to the phone?
[23:46] <L3top> !br | zybaldo
[23:46] <Nogal> I'm just going to reinstall 12.04 with a fresh disk on the other laptop with it connected via eth0 straight to the router so hopefully it will pick up the firmware and fix all of the sluggish problems, XP is currently running about 5-10x as fast as the ubuntu partition
[23:46] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: i dont type any i just plug the usb and it work
[23:47] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: oh, it's usb, ok
[23:47] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  yes
[23:47] <esmirlin> hey guys do you know how to get multitouch gestures in precise?
[23:47] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: well, I don't use network manager from the cli, so all I can suggest is to edit /etc/resolv.conf and change the ip to "<IP_ADDRESS>", but you will need to redo that each time you reconnect
[23:47] <nibbler_> hi. http://nopaste.dk/p5120 - why does apt-file find a packet, but apt-get cannot install it?
[23:47] <yooha> maybe its this http://paste.ubuntu.com/998226/
[23:47] <vexaxv> anyone in here play minecraft?
[23:48] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: try that now and see if it fixes the problem.
well it say no updates but i allready did a apt-get update so i ask you one more time before i thank you. is everything ok???
[23:48] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  ok
[23:48] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: if it does fix the problem, perharps someone else can help you make the change permanent
[23:48] <L3top> yes alexandr0s. Everything is good.
[23:49] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: it works  ;] thanks
ok man thank you very.....very much.
[23:49] <yooha> but it get overirded next time : P
[23:49] <L3top> np
[23:50] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: ok, one more thing to do. phone your cell phone company and ask them why their DNS server is altering entries!
[23:50] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: it may be a "feature" you can opt out of
[23:50] <terafl0ps> Nogal: You may need to re-run that last ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> line once the wired connection comes up.  If you ran my script while the cable between the  laptops wasn't connected, the first computer may have tried to get an internet connection through the wired link.
[23:51] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor:  ill look in the web for it
[23:51] <yooha> thanks
[23:51] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: no problem
[23:51] <terafl0ps> Nogal: but this would have failed because the second machine obviously can't get to the Internet.
[23:51] <L3top> nibbler_: does apt-cache search libgtk2.0-dev       return a result?
[23:52] <nibbler_> L3top, no, no result there.
[23:52] <DarwinSurvivor> yooha: for future reference though, if you are having internet problems and you are tethering off a cellphone (ESPECIALLY if that cellphone has the same problem), giving that information can save a LOT of time
[23:52] <yooha> DarwinSurvivor: i didnt tho of it ;P
[23:52] <L3top> file search != cache search. what version ubuntu are you on nibbler_?
[23:53] <nibbler_> L3top, 12.4
[23:53] <Nogal> terafl0ps: yeah, I just downloaded another 12.04 iso and i'm going to try to reinstall the whole system with it connected to the router in the garage. I'm tired of messing with this. If it works, great, if not, screw it and I'll expand ntfs
[23:53] <nibbler_> i just need retroshare, but the ppa does not support 12.4. building it myself works, but as a runtime dependency it needs gpa, which is not in ubuntu anymore, building it fails due to missing gtk/gtk.h - how to get gtk.h?
[23:53] <aLLStaR>  [ U y a r ý ]  :  nibbler_  : Lütfen Seviyeyi Düþürmeyiniz Aksi Taktirde Kanaldan Uzaklaþtýrýlýcaksýnýz !.iyi sohbetler dilerim...
[23:53] <L3top> thats weird nibbler_... it is in main. What does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? Can you pastebin it?
[23:53] <aLLStaR>  [ U y a r ý ]  :  L3top  : Lütfen Seviyeyi Düþürmeyiniz Aksi Taktirde Kanaldan Uzaklaþtýrýlýcaksýnýz !.iyi sohbetler dilerim...
[23:55] <L3top> !tr | aLLStaR
[23:55] <nibbler_> L3top, http://nopaste.dk/p5121
[23:55] <aLLStaR> thanks
[23:55] <terafl0ps> indian: This is probably more of a virtualbox question than an ubuntu question.  You'll probably get more help in their channel.  I know I had to go through the whole installation of the VBoxAdditions in safe mode procedure to get mine to work.  I also had to reinstall DirectX.
[23:55] <Nogal> afk
[23:57] <greenwolf> i am having a problem on a fresh install of ubuntu seems to not be picking up my dell wireless card
[23:57] <greenwolf> how can i get this working?
[23:57] <L3top> nibbler_: that is a wee bit confusing. Can you apt-get update apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev
[23:57] <nibbler_> L3top, i re-ran apt-get update, now it is found
[23:58] <L3top> lol
[23:58] <L3top> ok
[23:58] <greenwolf> anyone?
[23:58] <MestreLion> any known issue regarding apps that behave *very* strangely after being pinned to launcher? Like launcher not being able to track windows anymore?
[23:58] <greenwolf> ubuntu seems to have not found or picked up my wireless card?
[23:58] <greenwolf> how can i get this working
[23:58] <L3top> greenwolf: you waited 4 seconds
[23:58] <greenwolf> i sorry
[23:59] <L3top> I couldnt even type a reply
[23:59] <MestreLion> greenwolf: did you check system settings > hardware drivers already?
[23:59] <greenwolf> this is an old driver why is this not inculded\
[23:59] <greenwolf> im using ubuntu server so just command line
[23:59] <L3top> What kind of wireless card do you have? lspci | grep -Ei '(wireless|wlan)'
[23:59] <L3top> greenwolf:


[00:16] <gbutters> not tonight testing beta cd
[02:02] <kd8bxp> I have a problem - Hope someone can help - I just installed Mythbuntu 9.04 - when I play back video files I have sound, but no video at all - default install, mplayer - I did install the non-free and restricted codecs, is there a way to use totem which was not installed?
[03:28] <mishehu> am I going to screw something up with the kernel modules if I follow the instructions at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200 ?
[03:29] <mishehu> it's building a crapload of kernel modules (not just for the HVR 22xx series)
[06:18] <purefusion> trying to install without a cd-rom drive is turning out to be quite the tricky task
[06:21] <superm1> use a usb stick
[06:28] <purefusion> I am, kinda
[06:29] <purefusion> I have a normal Jaunty USB stick, and was trying to follow the Hard Drive install here: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Alternative-Installation-Methods-for-Hardy-86977.shtml
[06:30] <purefusion> I guess I could temporarily swap it with mythbuntu files extracted from the iso
[06:31] <purefusion> shame I cant get VNC to connect to the machine though... this TV isnt the best of qualities
[06:39] <superm1> geez talk about overkill
[06:39] <superm1> use usb-creator
[06:39] <superm1> it can burn a mythbuntu iso to a usb stick no problem
[06:40] <purefusion> I couldn't get that to work last I attempted it
[06:40] <purefusion> but now that I think of it, I believe that was a BIOS configuration issue
[15:01] <mishehu> superm1: thought you might like to know that I got the hauppage hvr 2250 working
[15:02] <mishehu> it was really a piece of cake to do, as it comes up as a dvb card.
[15:02] <mishehu> just needed the recent drivers from linuxtv.org
[15:02] <CyberKnet> I also did that the other night. Really easy to do.
[15:02] <mishehu> CyberKnet: ah you got the card too?  nice isn't it?
[15:02] <CyberKnet> mishehu: Yep, if only it could do analog in linux too
[15:03] <mishehu> it'll even be better when they add in the analog support so that it can also do analog signals
[15:03] <CyberKnet> yeah
[15:03] <CyberKnet> Agreed.
[15:03] <mishehu> I'm sure it's in the works
[15:03] <CyberKnet> I need more disk space though
[15:03] <CyberKnet> 8Gb / Hr
[15:03] <CyberKnet> *man*
[15:03] <mishehu> and if not I do have a pvr 250 laying around somewhere still
[15:03] <CyberKnet> I have a PVR-500, but have issues with it in Mythbuntu
[15:03] <CyberKnet> worked fine in Fedora 10
[15:03] <CyberKnet> Mythbuntu 9.04 it's unwatchable.
[15:03] <mishehu> CyberKnet: yeah I hear that!  I'm going to need to set up some automatic removal of commercials and transcoding on anything I keep
[15:04] <mishehu> the only thing I don't have working yet is my remote
[15:04] <mishehu> the lirc_mceusb2 module is loaded and lirc running, but myth isn't responding to keypresses...
[15:05] <mishehu> (I had a pinnacle media center remote that is listed in lirc's website as being supported by the lirc_mceusb2 module)
[15:05] <CyberKnet> I have a microsoft media center remote / receiver that uses that module
[15:05] <mishehu> do you think it might have something to do with the "use dynamic mapping" option?
[15:05] <CyberKnet> didn't have any issues other than not liking the initial mappin
[15:06] <CyberKnet> I don't know ...  I had that option checked.
[15:06] <CyberKnet> I've used Fedora for the last five years or more ... very new to Mythbuntu
[15:06] <CyberKnet> typed in "service mythbackend stop
[15:07] <CyberKnet> and was confused when it didn't have the service command :)
[15:07] <CyberKnet> then remembered my slackware days and typed /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop
[15:07] <CyberKnet> heh
[15:07] <mishehu> I use slackware...  what is this service command you speak of?  *grin*
[15:07] <mishehu> slackware and mythbuntu that is
[15:07] <CyberKnet> exactly :)
[15:07] <mishehu> actually slackware style is in /etc/rc.d
[15:08] <CyberKnet> yeah
[15:08] <CyberKnet> I looked for rc.d first, saw rc0.d and init.d
[15:08] <mishehu> I have replaced somethings with launching in /etc/rc.d/rc.local with launching them via djb's daemontools
[15:12] <mishehu> anyway, I'm looking for instructions on the key mappings...  if I selected dynamic mappings, does that mean I have to make an lircrc file in my homedir?
[15:13] <CyberKnet> no, it created for me in ~/.lirc/
[15:13] <CyberKnet> iirc
[15:13] <CyberKnet> one for mythtv, mplayer, xine, etc
[15:13] <mishehu> hmm I do see that yes
[15:14] <mishehu> wonder why the hell it's not picking up any of the key presses
[15:14] <Zinn> mishehu: Please watch your language.
[15:14] <CyberKnet> Those were what were active and working for me
[15:15] <CyberKnet> except the "back" button on my remote wasn't mapped at all.
[15:15] <CyberKnet> which was weird.
[15:16] <mishehu> isn't irw the program in lirc that will listen for keypresses and print it out on the screen?
[15:17] <CyberKnet> I thought it was the one that would generate a remote configuration file - but yes, would print out keypresses on the screen as it went
[15:21] <mishehu> CyberKnet: ugh no luck
[15:21] <mishehu> and I made sure the remote itself is transmitting (hold it up to a digicam and see if it lights up when a button is pressed)
[15:27] <CyberKnet> hmmm
[15:28] <CyberKnet> maybe the receiver doesn't work with that module?
[15:31] <superm1> CyberKnet, about your PVR-500 - try turning off VBI
[15:31] <superm1> its somewhere in the backend setup
[15:31] <CyberKnet> superm1: Hmmm.... I hadn't considered that
[15:31] <CyberKnet> That will cause trouble then?
[15:31] <CyberKnet> interesting.
[15:31] <superm1> for a lot of people, yes
[15:31] <CyberKnet> Thanks for the thought, I really appreciate it :)
[15:32] <CyberKnet> That would be awesome if it fixes it.
[15:36] <mishehu> superm1: any thoughts about my remote not picking up the key presses?
[15:36] <mishehu> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 2304:0225 Pinnacle Systems, Inc. [hex]
[15:37] <mishehu> that's my remote, it's selected as a newer media center remote (i.e. phillips)
[15:37] <superm1> get a remote that you know is supported? :)
[15:37] <mishehu> and lirc_mceusb2 is loaded
[15:37] <superm1> ah so it's supposed to be using lirc-mceusb2...
[15:37] <superm1> try irw
[15:38] <mishehu> superm1: nada, and I just try using irrecord -d /dev/lircd and it times out after 10 seconds
[15:39] <superm1> mishehu, okay then do this: sudo /etc/init.d/lirc stop; sudo rmmod lirc-mceusb2; sudo rmmod lirc-dev
[15:39] <superm1> and unplug the device
[15:39] <superm1> plug it back in, and see if lirc-mceusb2 is getting loaded automatically
[15:39] <mishehu> hmm good point
[15:39] <mishehu> sec
[15:39] <superm1> udev is supposed to load it and start lircd, but if it doesn't, that means this thing isn't recognized by lirc-mceusb2
[15:42] <mishehu> it's not loading
[15:43] <superm1> then this device doesn't use lirc-mceusb2, which explains why you can't capture from it
[15:43] <superm1> are you *sure* it's supposed to?
[15:43] <superm1> you can try to just add it's IDs into the lirc-mceusb2 driver to force it...
[15:43] <mishehu> everything that I find in searches says that this is supported by lirc-mceusb2
[15:44] <mishehu> and that hte ids were already being added back around the end of 2007
[15:44] <superm1> okay, install lirc-modules-source
[15:44] <superm1> and go into /usr/src/lirc-* and find the source to double check
[15:45] <mishehu> I see we have 0.8.4a on 9.04 currently
[15:46] <mishehu> 0.8.6 is out for a few weeks now
[15:46] <superm1> yeah working on getting 0.8.6 into 9.10 is on TODO, but is going to require a sit down
[15:47] <mishehu> I don't doubt it
[15:47] <mishehu> lirc is one of those programs that can be a total b1tch to get working
[15:47] <CyberKnet> fwiw, I really like Mythbuntu. I was willing to replace my PVR-500 I liked mythbuntu so much better than Fedora :)
[15:48] <CyberKnet> So simple to install and set up for a combined frontend/backend
[15:48] <mishehu> mythbuntu is very nice for setting up mythtv.  I've done mythtv from source...   oyyy the agony
[15:49] <mishehu> got to install vim, it's driving me in insane to keep typing in vim and having to set it to vi
[15:50] <mishehu> #define VENDOR_PINNACLE      0x2304
[15:50] <mishehu> line 135 of lirc_mceusb2.c
[15:51] <mishehu> then the minor number is listed on line 194
[15:52] <mishehu> as a part of the usb_remote_table array.
[15:52] <superm1> hm awesome
[15:52] <superm1> so it *should* be working :)
[15:52] <mishehu> yes, it *should* be.
[15:53] <mishehu> now if I manually modprobe the module, I do see this:
[15:53] <haffe> Hello guys. Have any of you tried running mythbuntu on an nvidia ion platform?
[15:53] <mishehu> [38582.781107] lirc_mceusb2[2]: Pinnacle Systems PCTV Remote USB on usb3:2
[15:53] <mishehu> haffe: I will be in the near future.
[15:53] <mishehu> I dont' see why it would be an issue to do.
[15:54] <haffe> mishehu: I have really bad experiences from nvidia and hiberation/suspend.
[15:54] <mishehu> I *think* that wagnerp in #mythtv-users uses some distro with mythtv on an ion
[15:54] <mishehu> haffe: I wouldn't be hibernating or suspending my myth box, personally
[15:54] <haffe> Ok.
[15:55] <mishehu> and with it being an atom proc, it will not be using much electricity when not doing anything.
[15:56] <mishehu> superm1:  * Loading LIRC modules                                                  [ OK ] * Starting remote control daemon(s) : LIRC                              [fail]
[15:56] <superm1> haffe, i'd be running 9.10 if you do
[15:57] <superm1> to get 0.22 and the newer nvidia drivers and stuff OOTB
[15:58] <haffe> Ok.
[16:00] <mishehu> superm1: you know I did something dumb.  I forgot to stop mythtv-backend
[16:00] <mishehu> I stopped it, unloaded the lirc drivers, and then unplugged the receiver, counted to 10, and plugged it back in...  it loaded the modules and started lirc.
[16:01] <superm1> well thats good i guess
[16:01] <superm1> surprised mythtv-backend had to be stopped in the first place
[16:01] <mishehu> it holds the dev file open
[16:01] <superm1> the *backend*?
[16:01] <superm1> wow
[16:02] <mishehu> it must have
[16:02] <mishehu> I know it will when you have a transmitter
[16:02] <mishehu> mine's only set as a receiver though
[16:02] <mishehu> (this box is a primary fe/be)
[16:15] <mishehu> but still no luck with irw or irrecord :-/
[16:32] <CyberKnet> :|
[16:57] <CyberKnet> I wonder if there was a module parameter or something that is missing
[18:09] <CyberKnet> hmm... setting a directory as the DirectoryIndex ...
[18:09] <CyberKnet> for MythWeb, that is
[18:09] <CyberKnet> regardless of the port the request comes in on, it appears to always redirect to the default port
[18:09] <CyberKnet> so for instance, I have the virtual host listening on 80 and 85
[18:09] <CyberKnet> request comes in to http://server:85/
[18:10] <CyberKnet> and gets redirected to http://server/mythweb/
[18:10] <CyberKnet> any way to control this so that it goes to the port the original request came in on?
[18:10] <tgm4883> what happens if you do http://server:85/mythweb/
[18:10] <CyberKnet> works as expected
[18:10] <tgm4883> superm1, bug? ^
[18:11] <CyberKnet> I think it's an apache thing, but wasn't sure.
[18:11] <CyberKnet> I'm sure I could code some quick redirect.pl to take care of it and make that the directory index ... but thought you folks might know of a way that doesn't require coding
[18:33] <CyberKnet> fwiw, I ended up using RedirectMatch ^/$ /mythweb/
[18:33] <CyberKnet> I think this is a better solution than DirectoryIndex mythweb ... ymmv
[18:47] <Penth> Mythbuntu box is "running" and giving nice TV Out, but HDHR isn't speaking to the system (even though it will to the Winders box). And the work goes on....
[19:00] <CyberKnet> Penth: aaah :( Sad to hear. Hope your luck gets better.
[19:03] <Penth> I'm rescanning channels from the command line now, after power cycling the hdhr, and it looks like luck is on the way. I'll know for sure after I try the "watch tv" button. (Wonder if the fact Verizon was out for 24 hours while I was setting up the box is part of the problem.)
[19:04] <CyberKnet> couldn't say, not a HDHR user. Just empathize with myth not working :)
[19:04] <CyberKnet> waiting to get home so I can see if VBI is enabled or disabled on my PVR-500
[19:05] <CyberKnet> hopefully it is, and I can disable it and have a usable tuner card again.
[19:05] <darthanubis> I'm still waiting for mythtv to come out the box with a removal of commerical script
[19:05] <darthanubis> transcode>gencutlist>transcode
[19:05] <darthanubis> seamless with mythexport
[19:05] <darthanubis> and or nuvexport
[19:06] <CyberKnet> doesn't mythcommflag insert cutpoints for commercials?
[19:06] <mrand> darthanubis: I think all the tools are there for you to set that up yourself, but the consensus last time I saw a discussion on it was that people are willing to risk missing part of their show from a bad (even rare) commflag
[19:06] <mrand> people are NOT wiling to risk
[19:06] <CyberKnet> mrand: That's the bucket I'm in, yeah
[19:07] <CyberKnet> I'm not willing to save 30% space at the risk of losing the occasional chunk of show.
[19:07] <darthanubis> I have never had my show a regualr show clipped
[19:07] <darthanubis> now a professional game that may go over the alloted time yes
[19:07] <mrand> I had one this week.  Heroes
[19:07] <CyberKnet> darthanubis: I get 2-3 a week out of about 30-40 recordings.
[19:07] <darthanubis> I have the mythtv setup to transcode and gencutlist, but I have to manually transcode after that
[19:07] <CyberKnet> hit skip, and it jumps forward 10 minutes.
[19:08] <darthanubis> for the longest my desktop was my mythtv box. I just built a standalone mythtv box with 9.10
[19:08] <darthanubis> so far she is humming alone perfectly with alphaware
[19:09] <Penth> sweet, darth. Just built my first yesterday, but with jaunty
[19:09] <darthanubis> along
[19:09] <mrand> beta is being pushed to the mirrors as we speak.  Of course, with tonights nightly build, it will be outdated before it is even really used by anyone :-)
[19:09] <mrand> Penth: 0.22?
[19:09] <darthanubis> I had a spare core2duo laying around
[19:10] <Penth> not after the apt-get upgrade is complete, I hope :)
[19:10] <darthanubis> put 2gigs of cheap ddr2 ram and bought a cheap price not quality Asus mobo and a $25 case
[19:10]  * Penth had no net all day yesterday. Fscking Verizon...
[19:10] <darthanubis> just have to buy another dvd burner @$25
[19:11] <rhpot1991> Penth: how do you have the HDHR hooked up?
[19:11] <mrand> Penth: ah.  So you're just running standard 0.21 Jaunty.  That's cool.
[19:11] <Penth> I recycled an old P4 desktop with the dvd-writer taken from a Mac G5 and threw in a GeForce 8800 with s-video out
[19:11] <Penth> HDHR is direct into the cable modem
[19:12] <Penth> er, dsl modem :P
[19:12] <darthanubis> mine is just a backend. My frontends stream from it via wifi
[19:12] <darthanubis> and who said analog cable was dead? My pvr150 is still kicking!:)
[19:13] <Penth> I have a 3yo Athlon 64 that I'm turning into my new linux desktop (Bye, old A2600+) and will also use as a backend/transcode server for the P4 f/b
[19:14]  * Penth loves Electronics Recycling Day. Next one in Chestnut Hill on Nov 15th iirc
[19:15] <rhpot1991> Penth: dsl modem has a built in router?
[19:16] <Penth> Yep, a 4-port. (Westell 7500)
[19:17] <darthanubis> rhpot1991, long time no see
[19:20] <oobe> i wanna try out the new mythbuntu 9.10 theme but when i do bzr get lp:ubuntu/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu it asks me to login?
[19:21] <rhpot1991> ya darthanubis
[19:21] <rhpot1991> hows everything going?
[19:21] <darthanubis> good
[19:21] <darthanubis> I just setup a 9.10 mythtv box
[19:22] <darthanubis> I still have yet to try a mythbuntu cd. Guess old habits die hard
[19:22] <gbutters_work> oobe, bzr branch
[19:22] <darthanubis> i want to treat it as an appliance and have it login to the default desktop so that it can long into the wifi
[19:23] <darthanubis> I'm still playing with it
[19:23] <darthanubis> I'll add your mythexport lil later
[19:24] <darthanubis> get it to export shows for my GF's Zen
[19:24] <oobe> gbutters, how do i do that bzr branch instead of get?
[19:24] <darthanubis> Just nice to finally have a seperate machine dedicated to myhttv
[19:24] <oobe>  bzr branch lp:ubuntu/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu wont work either
[19:26] <oobe> bzr: ERROR: Unknown repository format: 'Bazaar repository format 2a (needs bzr 1.16 or later)\n'
[19:27] <Penth> Once 9.10 is stable, I'm going to set up mire and some torrent-watching scripts to download all my Japanese TV shows. Then I won't have to watch ANY television on my computer anymore.
[19:27] <Penth> s/mire/miro/
[19:34] <gbutters_work> oobe, bzr branch lp:~gbutters/mythbuntu/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu To get the lastest version
[19:35] <oobe> thanks gary
[19:36] <oobe> im looking forward to it i saw some screen shots the other day
[20:24] <oobe> is there a fast way to install all required devel packages to build trunk
[20:24] <tgm4883> oobe, build-deps?
[20:24] <oobe> sudo apt-get build-deps mythtv?
[20:25] <tgm4883> build-dep
[20:25] <tgm4883> so apt-get build-dep mythtv should work
[20:29] <mishehu> hmm mythbuntu doesn't ship with samba's mount.cifs util?
[20:32] <oobe> i tried that seems i already have everything up to date
[20:32] <oobe> i can build mythtv fine but mythplugins i get errors
[20:56] <mishehu> think I might have a typo in my mythfrontend settings...  MythSocket(7f1fe0006450:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.
[20:57] <mishehu> but I can't seem to find in the fe's setup where to change the backend IP config
[20:59] <mishehu> where is that located?
[21:55] <Mysterious1> Hello
[21:56] <Mysterious1> I deciced to install mythbuntu on my computer but before I do something wrong I want to ask you a few things^^
[21:57] <darthanubis> !ask
[21:57] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[21:58] <Mysterious1> lol^^ you are funny
[21:58] <Mysterious1> !ask
[21:58] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[21:58] <Mysterious1> !ask
[21:58] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[21:58] <Mysterious1> Are you a bot?
[22:00] <rhpot1991> zinn is a bot
[22:00] <Mysterious1> Poor Zinn
[22:01] <Mysterious1> My english is to bad to understand zinn so i'll just ask^^
[22:04] <Mysterious1> I heared that the alternate setup will give me more options. If i choose the direct desktop iso would I still be available to install mythtv to a specific partition?
[22:06] <hads> There is no alternate iso anymore is there?
[22:07] <Mysterious1> oh ok I already wondered where it was but i am really new to mythbuntu
[22:07] <mrand> There is no alt mythbuntu specific iso.  If you need the alt-iso, you can use the standard one from ubuntu.
[22:09] <mrand> However, I believe the base mythbuntu ISO supports at least some level of partitioning, although I have to be honest I don't remember what.
[22:09] <Mysterious1> i hope it won't wipe out my whole hdd like lmce would do^^
[22:10] <mrand> It gives you that option, but you don't have to choose it.
[22:11] <Mysterious1> ok so i might be available to do like i want to^^
[22:11]  * Mysterious1 :D
[22:12] <hads> Oh yeah, to be clear, mythbuntu is ubuntu so you can if you wish install ubuntu and get to the same place.
[22:13] <Mysterious1> then i just have to install mythtv in ubuntu?
[22:13] <Mysterious1> to get the same result?
[22:14] <hads> Yeah, you would install mythbuntu-desktop or mythbuntu-control-centre and go from there.
[22:15] <mrand> For the most part.  mythbuntu iso is really focused on only what is needed for the media stuff...    ubuntu includes more stuff by default.  But you can get to the same place by adding packages to either one.
[22:15] <Mysterious1> ah ok
[22:16] <hads> Or start with the server iso or something.
[22:16] <Mysterious1> so it's better to install ubuntu when i want to do other things like... hacking other wifi devices?^^
[22:16] <hads> You have the same packages available with either.
[22:18] <Mysterious1> and there will be no disadvantage if i istalled ubuntu and the packs?
[22:19] <mrand> The package system takes care of you :^)
[22:19] <Mysterious1> ^^ i never got along with that system^^
[22:20] <Mysterious1> i was always scared that these packages might leave crapy files on the system like everything in windows :/
[22:21] <mrand> The only thing I find annoying about the upgrades on ubuntu is that it doesn't delete old kernels.  You can run out of disk space on your /boot partition if you keep running the same system for a real long time and you do every kernel and distro upgrade.
[22:22] <mrand> But it isn't hard to recover from either.
[22:22] <Mysterious1> oh ok
[22:23] <Mysterious1> so i need complete reinstallations from time to time?
[22:23] <mrand> no, not at all.
[22:23] <mrand> My first install was 7.10.    9.10 beta is coming out today/tomorrow.
[22:24] <mrand> Just upgrade through each one, if you want.
[22:24] <mrand> Or you can stop on a stable one and live there for as long as you want.
[22:24] <Mysterious1> ok
[22:24] <hads> Not quite as long as you want.
[22:25] <mrand> If you don't change hardware, sure you can!
[22:25] <hads> It gets a little painful if support runs out though
[22:25] <mrand> I suppose.  Of course, you could park on a LTS (like 10.04) and live for longer than most hardware lasts.
[22:25] <hads> Yeah
[22:26] <mrand> But even still, some things don't get backported officially - like Firefox.
[22:26] <mrand> but often there are unofficial PPA's
[23:10] <superm1> tgm4883, probably,  need to check a fresh install from 9.10
[23:11] <tgm4883> superm1, wha?
[23:24] <purefusion> what should I use as the grub kernel line for mythbuntu installer on a usb drive?