[12:21] <dieta> Hello
[01:14] <bmonty> anyone know why pbuilder would install a package (libssl-dev) and then remove it?
[01:17] <\sh> bmonty: how do you mean "install it and directly remove it?"
[01:20] <bmonty> \sh: in installing the build-deps it installs libssl-dev and then later I see the package being removed
[01:21] <\sh> but before the source actually is compiled?
[01:21] <bmonty> yes
[01:21] <bmonty> I'm trying to rebuild freeradius with EAP-TLS and TTLS enabled
[01:23] <\sh> strange...
[01:24] <bmonty> could it be that one of the build-deps conflicts with libssl-dev?
[01:25] <bmonty> is there a way I can "force" pbuilder to ignore an error with build-dep install?
[01:28] <bmonty> I figured it out....libssl-dev was listed as a build conflict
[02:04] <bddebian> What's up folks?
[02:36] <J_P> hi all
[03:16] <Laser_away> bddebian: absolutely nothing here, apparently ;-)
[03:16] <bddebian> Laser_away: Ahh
[03:16] <crimsun> which is a good thing, since I have four finals to give this coming week.
[03:16] <bddebian> Doh
[03:16] <bddebian> I'm looking at xfce4-wavelan-plugin :-(
[03:18] <Laser_away> hmm, for some odd reason my nvidia card doesn't work
[03:22] <bddebian> Ack, where the hell is this thing picking up aclocal-1.8
[03:58] <zul> heylo
[04:00] <zul> all of those builddepends bugs have been taken care of?
[04:01] <zul> oh wait never mind..there is just more bugs
[04:01] <bddebian> Unmet Deps?   That would resolve such issues. :)
[07:06] <bddebian> crimsun: I'd love to but I don't think I'm on the favored list :-)
[07:07] <bddebian> Heya tuxmaniac
[07:07] <crimsun> bah, there's no favoured list :)
[07:07] <crimsun> besides, you have enough good will from breezy
[07:07] <bddebian> I do?
[07:07] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Hi. Whats the favoured list all abt? Can i know?
[07:08] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: Inside joke.  crimsun says I should shoot for main uploader, but I usually just annoy those poor folks :-(
[07:08] <tuxmaniac> :))
[07:10] <tuxmaniac> Guys did u see a bug report from one Richard Feynman!!!!
[07:10] <tuxmaniac> bug 42283
[07:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42283 in vim-latexsuite "not possible to launch evince as dvi viewer programm out of gvim latexsuite" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42283
[07:13] <tuxmaniac> Hope you guys know what I am thinking!! :)
[07:19] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: It works for me or I mean I have not understood the bug!!!
[07:19] <tuxmaniac> He asks me to open a .tex file in gvim out of nautilus!!!
[07:20] <bddebian> Sorry man, it's 1:30am, I'm fading fast
[07:20] <tuxmaniac> Oh ok. Sorry bddebian
[07:20] <tuxmaniac> Its 10:50 AM here :)
[07:20] <bddebian> NP :-)
[09:44] <sivang> morning all
[09:44] <kelmo> hi siretart, all
[09:45] <siretart> hey kelmo
[09:45] <kelmo> siretart: nice wiki page
[09:45] <sivang> hey siretart , kelmo
[09:45] <siretart> kelmo: thanks :)
[09:45] <kelmo> siretart: thanks a lot!
[09:45] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[09:45] <sivang> kelmo: which wiki page?
[09:45] <kelmo> hi sivang
[09:45] <kelmo> wiki.debian.org/WPA
[09:46] <siretart> I wanted to do something about the empty alioth page, and decided to create a wiki page instead
[09:46] <Tonio_> siretart: how long will we be able to make uvf exceptions ?
[09:46] <kelmo> siretart: which is perfect
[09:47] <siretart> Tonio_: we don't actually have a deadline, but I think that we 3 will keep on focusing more and more on bugs than on uvf exceptions
[09:47] <Tonio_> siretart: we have an updated version of knetworkmanager but since we're waiting informations upstream, I'like to anticipate not to be too late :)
[09:47] <Tonio_> siretart: ok, that's just since knetworkmanager is a big feature for kubuntu so.... may I ping you when uvfe is online ? :)
[09:47] <siretart> Tonio_: if you think that knetworkmanager needs an exception, just add the information we need, along with some sort of risk analysis
[09:48] <Tonio_> siretart: sure ;)
[09:48] <siretart> Tonio_: I'll get an email as soon as you assign that bug to motu-uvf
[09:48] <sivang> siretart: are you a DD already?
[09:48] <siretart> sivang: no, still waiting on AM assignment :(
[09:48] <Tonio_> siretart: ah, true, I forgot you got emails for this... (stupid myself !)
[09:48] <sivang> siretart: ah, nice to know you've already gone through all the other administrativa :-)
[09:49] <sivang> siretart: epsecially, the techincal inquery
[09:49] <siretart> sivang: err, the AM does the P&P and T&S inquery, I've only been advocated so far
[09:51] <ivoks> did anyone did translations with rosetta?
[09:58] <sivang> siretart: ah, woops, sorry. I'm sure you'll make it thouhg :)
[10:22] <vud1> hi. I am reading all the possible rols ubuntu contributors.. and i see that there are de uploaders, de reviewers and the motus, arent they?
[10:24] <G0SUB> sivang
[10:25] <vud1> but i havent a clear idea about the diference between the motus and the reviewers one
[10:35] <sivang> G0SUB: ?
[10:35] <G0SUB> sivang: how are you ?
[10:45] <\sh> moins
[11:06] <sivang> G0SUB: fine, and you?
[11:06] <G0SUB> sivang: I am ok too!
[12:23] <zakame> hi all
[12:28] <zakame> hi all
[12:38] <Gloubiboulga> hi zakame
[12:40] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga
[12:46] <Gloubiboulga> hello G0SUB :)
[12:47] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga: hi!
[02:03] <zul> heylo
[02:03] <phanatic> hi people
[02:08] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, zul, hello
[02:10] <jpatrick> hello *
[02:11] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:41] <Kyral> RPI?
[02:47] <Kyral> yes?
[02:47] <Kyral> Hey
[02:48] <Kyral> I apologize for my behavior
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Kyral: oh?  which was this?
[02:48] <Kyral> but if the RPI in his hostmask means Rochester Polytech Instutute, then I have a minor annoyance with him
[02:49] <Kyral> Being that I hail from Clarkson Univerisity, and we are rivals
[02:49] <tseng> hm didnt clarkson have some kind of big linux project
[02:50] <tseng> i forget what it was about, some custom distro
[02:50] <Kyral> Xen based, but Ed kinda went AWOL on us
[02:50] <Kyral> Xen Breezy
[02:50] <tseng> no before that
[02:50] <tseng> a few years ago
[02:50] <Kyral> Dunno, I'm only a Sopomore
[02:50] <tseng> i think it was based on gentoo
[02:50] <Kyral> I think someone was working on a frontend to Portage
[02:51] <Kyral> you can check the COSI webpage if you are really interested, we archive EVERYTHING
[02:51] <Kyral> cosi.clarkson.edu
[02:52] <jpatrick> must have a lot of free space
[02:52] <Kyral> but more recently, Clarkson took 1st and 2nd place in Tuxmasters
[02:52] <tseng> that only goes back to 2005
[02:53] <Kyral> *shrug*
[02:53] <Kyral> I recall seeing a machine labelled for the purpose before we started cleaning out the other day
[02:53] <tseng> Pen2 Gentoo Installer
[02:53] <Kyral> yea! Labs getting renovated, HAPPY!!
[02:53] <tseng> that was it
[02:54] <Kyral> It was prolly Rouslan's way to automate the installation of the old lab build, which ran Gentoo
[02:54] <tseng> no, it was just your generic gui installer
[02:54] <tseng> it was okayish
[02:56] <Kyral> I mean, I'm gonna try to create a custom distro on my own, just to see if I can actually do it
[02:58] <Kyral> COSI: Defying Convention 25 hours a day, 8 days a week, 367 days a year
[02:59] <tseng> modifying ubuntu is too easy to bother with anything else
[02:59] <Kyral> Yanno, I had a working Lab Build based on Ubuntu
[02:59] <Kyral> but the day before we were set to install it
[03:00] <Kyral> they were like "well, we are gonna try Fedora for a day"
[03:00] <tseng> ...
[03:00] <Kyral> and next thing I knew my work was sent to /dev/null
[03:00] <Kyral> The general opinion of Ubuntu in the COSI is very low
[03:01] <Kyral> I mean they support the whole newbie friendly thing, but as a distro for technically proficient people, the opinion is very low
[03:03] <Kyral> Then again a bunch of people still run it on laptops because its fire and forget and for a system like a laptop, you don't really feel like messing around with configurations
[03:04] <Kyral> I think right now we have 3 ArchLinux users (including me), 2 - 3 Ubuntu users, and 1 Slackware user
[03:05] <Kyral> oh and 1 OpenSuSE user
[03:06] <Kyral> sorry..you got me talking about COSI and I'm passionate about COSI :D
[03:06] <tseng> putting Open next to SuSE is such a farse
[03:06] <Kyral> IIRC, they basically did the same thing that RedHat did with Fedora right?
[03:07] <Kyral> Holy cow, Slack is FINALLY gonna ship a 2.6 kernel by defualt
[03:08] <tseng> Kyral: with a bit less Open
[03:08] <Kyral> tseng: ah
[03:08] <tseng> i dont know of any community contributors
[03:08] <Kyral> I tried it over the semester, but found it too "top heavy"
[03:08] <Kyral> yah...this is why I like ArchLinux's AUR
[03:09] <tseng> i know of a small handful of community fedora members
[03:09] <Kyral> Its even more open than Debian and Ubuntu when it comes to community
[03:09] <tseng> being more open
[03:09] <tseng> than ubuntu is asking for trouble i think
[03:10] <Kyral> I mean in that you still have to have "Trusted Users" (like MOTU)
[03:10] <Kyral> but like even untrusted builds are in AUR, (not available via pacman mind you), in the "unsupported" category
[03:10] <Kyral> people use and vote on them and the TUs mark them safe or not
[03:12] <Kyral> if a PKGBUILD is safe and gets 25 votes, it winds up in community
[03:13] <tseng> if you take a look over at the gentoo forums, youll find proof that you can get 25 idiots to agree on anything
[03:13] <Kyral> lol
[03:13] <zul> thats why they have gentoo
[03:14] <tseng> I will let the MOTU and Debian look after my system :)
[03:14] <Kyral> I like the system
[03:14] <Kyral> granted I haven't tried to push anything through it yet lol
[03:22] <Kyral> lol, debootstrap is in AUR
[03:36] <Kyral> Oh well, EXAM TIME
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hehe...enjoy
[03:37] <Kyral> Ugh, if that wasn't sarcasm I'd kill you through your monitor
[03:38] <ajmitch> heh :)
[03:39] <Mithrandir> ehlo dudes and dudette(s)
[03:39] <ajmitch> hi Mithrandir
[03:39] <phanatic> hi Mithrandir :)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hey Mithrandir
[04:12] <jpatrick> Can someone look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2316 ?
[04:21] <zakame> hi all
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hi and bye zakame
[04:23] <zakame> heya Hobbsee!
[04:37] <phanatic> hey zakame
[04:37] <zakame> heya phanatic!
[04:38] <phanatic> zakame: i saw you wanna participate in soc :)
[04:39] <zakame> yup, I am working on a proposal right now :D
[04:39] <phanatic> just like me :)
[04:40] <zakame> coolness! :D
[04:42] <phanatic> i hope you're submitting to ubuntu as well ;)
[04:43] <zakame> phanatic: yes, actually I am trying to catch ogra to talk about that willow packaging
[04:44] <phanatic> oh, i see
[04:44] <zakame> I feel I should do something for edubuntu now :)
[04:46] <phanatic> zakame: i plan to do some gui development
[04:47] <zakame> phanatic: coolness!  I haven't gotten around to do GUIs, although I'm now happily trekking down the GTK-tutorial lane
[04:48] <phanatic> :)
[04:59] <G0SUB> phanatic
[04:59] <phanatic> hey G0SUB
[05:00] <G0SUB> phanatic: doing SoC stuff?
[05:00] <phanatic> right
[05:00] <G0SUB> phanatic: well, me too!
[05:01] <G0SUB> phanatic: I want to do the Samba GUI & the Offline Updater thingy
[05:01] <phanatic> G0SUB: yeah, i've noticed you're doing offline-update (or update-offline :)), great idea imho
[05:01] <G0SUB> phanatic: I hope so :)
[05:01] <G0SUB> phanatic: did you read the spec?
[05:02] <phanatic> yep
[05:02] <G0SUB> phanatic: is the spec ok?
[05:04] <G0SUB> phanatic: what are you working on? Bzr?
[05:05] <phanatic> G0SUB: i think it's alright
[05:05] <phanatic> yeah, bzr-gui
[05:05] <G0SUB> phanatic: excellent
[05:05] <G0SUB> and zakame ?
[05:08] <G0SUB> phanatic: why isn't the submission form online yet?
[05:08] <phanatic> he's working on pachaging willow i think
[05:09] <phanatic> i don't know... we have time till the 8th anyway :)
[05:10] <sivang> phanatic: bzr-gui? in SoC ?
[05:11] <sivang> phanatic: you have a spec for that?
[05:12] <phanatic> sivang: yup, http://bazaar-vcs.org/GraphicalUserInterface
[05:15] <sivang> phanatic: nice, are you already accpeted to do it by google?
[05:16] <zul> hey hub
[05:16] <sivang> hmm
[05:16] <sivang> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/about.html
[05:16] <sivang> empty?
[05:19] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:20] <phanatic> sivang: decisions will be made till 22nd may
[05:21] <phanatic> the application process begins today
[05:21] <phanatic> hey bddebian :)
[05:21] <bddebian> Hello phanatic
[05:24] <sivang> phanatic: can non student people apply?
[05:24] <phanatic> sivang: you have to be enrolled with a university
[05:25] <hub> sivang: it is a student project
[05:26] <hub> sivang: I suspect they get tax credit for that
[05:26] <hub> sivang: that's why they restrict to students
[05:27] <hub> at least that is what I think it is, I have no insider information
[05:34] <phanatic> wb Gloubiboulga
[05:35] <Gloubiboulga> ty phanatic :)
[05:35] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: i saw you were accepted as ubuntu developer. congratulations :)
[05:35] <Gloubiboulga> thanks phanatic :)
[05:45] <sivang> hub: k, thanks
[05:53] <G0SUB> sivang: can you review the spec I wrote for my SoC project?
[05:55] <bddebian> ajmitch_: You around?
[05:56] <Yagisan> bddebian: it's about 3am in NZ atm, so I expect he is in bed
[05:56] <bddebian> Well wake his ass up :-)
[05:56] <bddebian> BTW, Hi Yagisan
[05:56] <bddebian> Anyone else deal with zope?
[05:57] <Yagisan> bddebian: it's like a 2-3 hour flight to NZ, then I need to get a connecting flight to south island to do that
[05:57] <bddebian> Heh
[05:58] <Yagisan> bddebian: oh, G'day, and no - I'm only a user.
[06:39] <sivang> G0SUB: sure, send me the link by email
[06:39] <sivang> G0SUB<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:40] <G0SUB> sivang: okay. thanks
[06:50] <G0SUB> sivang: sent
[06:56] <phanatic> sivang: will you be a mentor?
[06:57] <phanatic> (btw is there a list of mentors for ubuntu?)
[07:08] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:09] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[08:37] <\sh> remoins
[08:38] <LaserJock> hi \sh
[09:19] <bddebian> ajmitch: Awake yet? :-)
[10:01] <bddebian> Where's Daniel been hiding?
[10:01] <bddebian> LaserJock: How about we just upload xircuit? ;-P
[10:02] <LaserJock> bddebian: which one?
[10:02] <bddebian> LaserJock: tuxmaniacs :-)
[10:02] <LaserJock> umm, no
[10:02] <bddebian> No?
[10:02] <LaserJock> I need to look at that.  Ugh
[11:17] <LaserJock> bddebian: do you think the xcircuit on revu is ready to go?
[11:18] <LaserJock> bddebian: "xcircuit source: build-depends-on-obsolete-package build-depends: xlibs-dev" needs to get fixed
[11:19] <crimsun> libx11-dev at the very least. In Debian that's a serious bug.
[11:22] <bddebian> LaserJock: We should probably fix the lintian errors but I don't want to step on tuxmaniacs toes since he did all the work
[11:23] <LaserJock> bddebian: sure
[11:26] <LaserJock> bddebian: ack, do we have a UVF exception for xcircuit?
[11:27] <bddebian> Of course not :-)
[11:28] <LaserJock> uggh, well at least having a working package should help the process :-)
[11:28] <bddebian> Yep
[11:28] <bddebian> If anyone actually looks at the UVF bugs :)
[12:01] <bddebian> Later folks


[16:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3762 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (eoan/almanah, eoan/budgie-desktop, eoan/cheese, eoan/eog, eoan/evince, eoan/evolution, eoan/evolution-data-server, eoan/evolution-ews, eoan/evolution-indicator, eoan/evolution-rss, eoan/gdm3, eoan/gnome-calendar, eoan/gnome-clocks, eoan/gnome-contacts, eoan/gnome-control-center, eoan/gnome-documents, eoan/gnome-flashback, eoan/gnome-font-viewer,


[20:41] <kveremitz> Unit193: I know that feeling a little too well .. although its not always consistently procrastination .. there's an element of too-much=sh1t-to-do


[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[13:29] <dsmith1974> Hi all, is this the right place to ask why I cannot install the Sun JRE onto Ubuntu 8.04?
[15:20] <jamil_11020429> How can I configure java on ubuntu ? (I m a complete noob and just thinking to learn java)
[16:03] <robilad> jamil_11020429: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java


[01:12] <persia> cjwatson: Reading your updates to bug #538536 : is this in a state where I should proceed with install, or do you want me to keep the system uninstalled for a couple more weeks?
[01:12] <cjwatson> persia: I think it's worth you going ahead with a test
[01:15] <persia> OK :)  If it succeeds, I'd like to leave the system installed : do you feel confident enough with your simulation that this is a safe path?
[01:15] <persia> (otherwise I'll do a test and leave it uninstalled)
[01:18] <cjwatson> I think that should be safe, assuming it works at all
[01:19] <cjwatson> partitioning doesn't usually tend to leave subtle hidden traps around for later
[01:19] <cjwatson> if there are traps, they're big and pointy
[01:21] <persia> heh.  Yeah.  I was more concerned about subtle stuff in the simulation.  I'll run a test as soon as my cdimage mirror has 2.2-1ubuntu3 in the server image.
[01:22] <cjwatson> what I'm not certain about, and can't easily be, is whether the result will boot
[01:22] <cjwatson> we're using grub-pc rather than any of the -efi variants - and if you use one of the -efi variants, AFAIK you need to do somewhat different partitioning
[01:23] <cjwatson> so I suspect that the installer would need to be explicitly prepared for that somehow
[01:23] <persia> Is the use of an -efi variant expected to be required for this sort of hardware?
[01:23] <cjwatson> grub-pc should work, but you might need something EFI-ish to chain to it, like refit
[01:23] <cjwatson> or you might just be able to hold down Option at boot and have it work
[01:24] <cjwatson> the exact details have probably changed a bit since I was last deeply involved with Apple kit
[01:24] <persia> Hrm.  I was planning to leave this system entirely headless.  I guess I'll plan on keeping it not installed, unless it just works flawlessly.
[01:24] <cjwatson> anyway, I've been meaning to go to bed for about 40 minutes, so I shall go :)
[01:25] <cjwatson> night
[01:25] <persia> Night :)
[10:07] <CIA-3> usb-creator: evand * r277 usb-creator/ (bin/usb-creator-helper debian/changelog): Don't write usb-creator-helper's log to /root (LP: #461064).
[11:28] <CIA-3> partman-base: cjwatson * r192 ubuntu/parted_server.c: abstract partition creation constraints
[11:59] <persia> cjwatson: The 20100315 Server image was unable to handle manual LVM, but successfully completed with guided LVM.  As you predicted, the result didn't boot.  Shall I add the logs to a new bug, or to the old one?
[12:01] <cjwatson> your old one is fine
[12:02] <cjwatson> I probably won't get further for beta-1 at this point
[12:03] <persia> No worries.  I'm fairly sure I can get the system to be a basic sbuild host with what I have an grub-efi.  Due to other circumstances, I'm not going to be able to set it up properly until right around Beta 2 release anyway, so I should be able to do another end-to-end run for that.
[12:04] <persia> And because of this, running more installs next week (but not this coming weekend) shouldn't interrupt much.
[13:16] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3931 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-language.py):
[13:16] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * KDE frontend:
[13:16] <CIA-3> ubiquity:  - Honour ubiquity/show_alpha_warning.
[13:43] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3932 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-partman.py):
[13:43] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * Noninteractive frontend:
[13:43] <CIA-3> ubiquity:  - Fix up plugin problems in the partman component (LP: #539493).
[13:44] <cjwatson> ev: I'm worried about the fact that we're seeing tracebacks from the noninteractive frontend from people who never asked for it.  How would you feel about http://paste.ubuntu.com/396177/ ?
[13:47] <ev> cjwatson: I think that's fine, but maybe check with Mario as I believe he added the original code
[13:47] <cjwatson> hmm, not sure we have time to wait for Mario to get up
[13:47] <ev> if memory serves it was to work the problem now solved by your failsafe X work
[13:47] <ev> I'd just upload it then, given the above
[13:48] <cjwatson> superm1: ^- can you review the above post-hoc?  I think that noninteractive should only be provided if you explicitly ask for it
[13:48] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3933 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.ubiquity.upstart):
[13:48] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Never start the noninteractive frontend unless it was explicitly
[13:48] <CIA-3> ubiquity: requested.
[13:49] <superm1> cjwatson, the worry was that if a monitor isn't plugged in in the factory, X doesn't start, so automatic doesn't work
[13:50] <cjwatson> superm1: the fact that noninteractive is being started on innocent users' machines TERRIFIES ME
[13:50] <cjwatson> yes, I know it generally doesn't do much because it isn't preseeded, but even so
[13:51] <superm1> cjwatson, understood, perhaps only if automatic-ubiquity was passed do the noninteractive fallback then, if it's just only or maybe-ubiquity mode don't have a fallback?
[13:51] <cjwatson> and we get all sorts of weird crash reports as a result of this.  We need something better
[13:51] <cjwatson> it would be OK in automatic mode
[13:52] <ev> wubi runs in automatic mode
[13:52] <ev> but I suppose that's still okay
[13:52] <cjwatson> yeah, I think so, it's preseeded what it wants to do
[13:54] <cjwatson> ok, thanks, done
[13:54] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3934 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.ubiquity.upstart): Only fall through to the noninteractive frontend in automatic mode.
[13:58] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3935 ubiquity/debian/changelog: better bug number
[14:01] <cjwatson> *blink* bug 539353 has an RTF file attached
[14:01] <cjwatson> that's a blast from the past
[14:02] <soren> I wonder what possesses people to do something like that.
[14:11] <persia> copy&paste into a word processor?
[14:11] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3936 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.2.1
[14:13] <soren> persia: Yes.
[14:14] <persia> soren: In many environments in the past, real text editors are hidden from the users.  I believe this is still true in recent versions of Mac OS X.
[14:15] <persia> So users develop habits that continue into other environments.
[14:22]  * soren admits to have had a brief period where he exclusively jotted down notes in LaTeX
[14:46] <highvoltage> Hi!
[14:46] <highvoltage> I have a zenity dialog I'd like to be displayed close to the end of the installation that will perform some additional configuration in the target system
[14:47] <highvoltage> I put it in /usr/lib/ubiquity/target-config, it's number is the last in the bunch that's there and it's excecutable, I'm not sure if that's the best place to put it but it seems so
[14:48] <highvoltage> ubiquity doesn't pop up the dialog though, it just seems to hang while doing the "Configuring target system..." stage, the script runs fine if executed seperately
[14:49] <highvoltage> any advice on how to get it working properly would be greatly appreciated!
[15:57] <CIA-3> usb-creator: evand * r278 usb-creator/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
[15:57] <CIA-3> usb-creator: * Provide a format confirmation dialog (LP: #443330).
[15:57] <CIA-3> usb-creator: * Error out of formatting if we're unable to unmount all of the
[15:57] <CIA-3> usb-creator:  partitions (LP: #507420).
[15:57] <CIA-3> usb-creator: * Provide feedback via a spinning cursor and disabled format button
[15:57] <CIA-3> usb-creator:  while formatting (LP: #457737).
[15:57] <CIA-3> usb-creator: * Only call gtk.main_quit if we're in a mainloop.
[16:10] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3937 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog):
[16:10] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Quit plymouth if it doesn't have an active VT, rather than trying to
[16:10] <CIA-3> ubiquity: reuse the VT it doesn't have, which results in X running on VT1.
[16:12] <ev> ah, I was wondering why that was happening
[16:13] <ev> interesting
[16:14] <ev> the kde frontend is using nearly 100% cpu
[16:30] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3938 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.2.2
[18:36] <exlt> I have dug thru the last week's irc logs and ref'ed partitioning bugs - there is something wildly broken with partman recently..  been using a very simple partman-auto/expert_recipe for months almost identical to the example on https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html
[18:37] <exlt> errors out with cannot write partitions outside of device (or very similar)
[18:38] <exlt> removed all partitioning preseeding and picked default "guided - use entire disk"
[18:38] <cjwatson> can you please file a new bug with your logs (syslog and partman) attached?
[18:38] <exlt> partitions suggested are...interesting
[18:38] <exlt> logs are not exactly available since it cannot install
[18:38] <cjwatson> sure they are
[18:39] <cjwatson> go back to the main menu and select "Save debug logs"
[18:39] <exlt> ah, that's right - sorry forgot
[18:39] <cjwatson> or, switch to alt-f2 and run 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb' to get yourself scp
[18:40] <cjwatson> there are known problems, but I'll need to analyse your logs in order to determine whether what you're seeing is related to anything else
[18:40] <exlt> but even the suggested defaults of (completely blank 500G drive) http://12.am/tmp/lucid_partman-hmmm.png - that's quite unexpected
[18:40] <cjwatson> yes
[18:40] <cjwatson> but I would prefer to debug logs rather than screenshots. :-)
[18:41] <exlt> ok - could you suggest a package to file under?  partman-(something)  ;)
[18:41] <cjwatson> partman-base
[18:41] <exlt> perfect
[18:41] <exlt> thanks, cjwatson - hate to keep bugging you  :)
[18:42] <cjwatson> that's ok, I'd rather know about problems
[18:54] <sbeattie> cjwatson: bug 539774 is probably the same thing.
[18:55] <sbeattie> (bug report has partman logs attached)
[18:56] <cjwatson> possibly.
[18:56] <cjwatson> elmo reported something similar-sounding too.
[18:56] <exlt> start of first partition at 2049 was what I saw yesterday, too
[19:01] <cjwatson> exlt: as in LBA 2049?
[19:01] <cjwatson> that's intentional
[19:01] <cjwatson> starting at 16GB+ is a somewhat different matter, and is not intentional
[19:02] <cjwatson> starting at 1MiB improves compatibility with various hardware and OSes
[19:02] <exlt> no - same as that bug has - cyl 2049 and 16.8G free before first part
[19:04] <cjwatson> oh, *cylinder* 2049
[19:04] <cjwatson> helps to specify your units ;-)
[19:05] <cjwatson> even if they are crazy obsolete ones like cylinders ;-)
[19:05]  * cjwatson wonders if it's possible to query blkid's idea of topology from the command line
[19:07] <exlt> I could be wrong on cyl - whatever the "Start" value is in fdisk -l - cyl, sector..
[19:08] <exlt> it is cylinders
[19:09] <exlt> perhaps that intentional start after the first 2048 cylinders is the bug
[19:14] <cjwatson> no, you have misstated what I said
[19:14] <cjwatson> I never said that there was an intentional start after 2048 cylinders
[19:32] <cjwatson> I've reproduced the weird partitioning alignment in kvm, so should be able to fix it
[19:33] <cjwatson> the size of the disk matters - my usual test size of 3GB exhibited 1MiB alignment, but 200GB exhibited 16GiB alignment
[19:37] <sbeattie> cjwatson: hrm, but why did it not align everything; e.g. why was 2GB I specified for swap created as gap *after* the 16GB swap space it created?
[19:39] <cjwatson> who knows, it's clearly screwed
[19:45] <exlt> cjwatson: #539822 has my logs attached
[19:50] <cjwatson> sbeattie: it could easily be a difference between primary and logical partitions or something - at this point I'm strongly suspecting a bug inside libparted
[19:50] <cjwatson> exlt: thanks, since I've reproduced it I should be OK from here
[19:51] <exlt> :)


[03:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:35] <ducasse> good morning
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> croraf: tell me what your issue was again?
[17:49] <croraf> I mean no need for you to remember
[17:49] <croraf> But was a hell of the issue
[17:49] <croraf> My screen was crashing on boot
[17:49] <croraf> I thought it was like no way to work.
[17:49] <croraf> Like frozen graphics on boot.
[17:50] <croraf> Very random behavior, sometimes I managed to enter sometimes not.
[17:50] <croraf> Newest Nvidia RTX 2080 graphics. We disabled drivers, but still no help. We tried 1000 stuff. Whole day. I pasted bins.
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> croraf: what was the end solution?
[17:51] <croraf> We did some progress but still crashing. At the end you quit. And I alone tried for couple of more hours and the issue was in that Ubuntu graphics manager or something.
[17:51] <croraf> Not Gnome, but that other thing beneth
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> nvidia-settings?
[17:52] <croraf> no
[17:52] <croraf> At the end I think you said, oh, no wonder they call it experimental
[17:52] <croraf> let me find it on stackoverflow
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[17:54] <croraf> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1188586/ubuntu-18-04-and-19-10-install-fails-on-omen-by-hp-17-cb0013nm-rtx-2080
[17:54] <croraf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1852636
[17:54] <croraf> check the last comment on launchpad
[17:55] <croraf> Wayland trash
[17:55] <croraf> lotuspsychje,
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> croraf: i do recall your bug, but i did not recall solving something for you, did i advice you to create the bug?
[17:56] <croraf> no, you made me pass most of this stuff
[17:57] <croraf> pci=nommconf
[17:57] <croraf> you made like 70% and I made the last big thing.
[17:57] <croraf> We spent entire day :D
[17:57] <croraf> I basically wanted to quit and go back on the fking windows, but you pushed on.
[17:58] <croraf> Was gods hand that guided me to find the final WaylandEnable=false setting, cause I'm total noob.
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> sorry i dont recall anymore what i specificly adviced you croraf
[17:59] <croraf> Doesnt matter, just recalling some good memories :)
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> usually i try to test out different graphics drivers
[17:59] <croraf> that we did in 5 min.
[17:59] <daftykins> it's not very smart to buy new hardware when you desire to use Linux
[17:59] <croraf> yes, it sucks
[18:00] <croraf> man i wanted to throw my 3.5k USD laptop into trash
[18:01] <croraf> What I'm left with is the final thing to fix (well not final cause my Epson trash printer is also not working with). That's why I came back on the IRC after 9 months.
[18:01] <croraf> Ladies and gentleman meet the: "Microphone not working issue"
[18:02] <croraf> But we can leave it for another day, although it sucks
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> croraf: so your issue is now solved with pci=nommconf ?
[18:03] <croraf> This is the only option required from the boot options, and also: "WaylandEnable=false" in /etc/gdm3/custom
[18:03] <croraf> lotuspsychje,
[18:03] <croraf> it works like this for last 9 months, and it is good.
[18:03] <daftykins> with 18.04?
[18:04] <croraf> I tried 18.04 it required an install of new kernel, that was not available for it.
[18:04] <croraf> And my network wasnet working.
[18:04] <croraf> So we did it with 19.10
[18:04] <croraf> lotuspsychje, and myself
[18:04] <daftykins> so that's what's in use today, 19.10 ?
[18:04] <croraf> A month ago i switehced to 20.04
[18:05] <croraf> which broke my headset microphone...
[18:05] <croraf> And internal never worked at all.
[18:05] <daftykins> USB or analog jack?
[18:05] <croraf> headeset is connected through bluetooth
[18:05] <daftykins> lol
[18:05] <croraf> My jack microphone is working
[18:06] <croraf> but it is trash and noisy, I cannot use it any more
[18:06] <daftykins> it's like you made a shopping list of the worst things to use with Linux, bought them all then said "right, let's get cracking!"
[18:06] <croraf> :D
[18:06] <croraf> Well, I bought all the most expensive stuff
[18:06] <croraf> Which proved to be a bad idea
[18:07] <croraf> You know what is worst, the Epson printer/scaner....
[18:07] <croraf> that thing is mega trash
[18:07] <croraf> and their support... and their website
[18:07] <croraf> I was like ok, they are the best, the most famous, the US company
[18:07] <daftykins> i'm afraid the greatest problem here is that you took a gaming spec HP laptop and tried to throw Linux at it
[18:08] <croraf> daftykins, man, i trust in Linux :)
[18:08] <daftykins> oh it'll get there, in time - but i doubt you bought it with the intent to be an alpha tester
[18:08] <croraf> I had a gaming Lenovo Legion before, and it worked flawlesly on 18.04 and 16.04
[18:09] <croraf> I wanted to have the fastest processor, and do cool stuff with graphics.
[18:09] <croraf> I expected the peripherals to just work
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> croraf: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/11/16/%23ubuntu.txt
[18:09] <croraf> Had good experience with Legion
[18:10] <daftykins> Lenovo kit gets a bit more attention, but it's hard to be certain without knowing the hardware spec
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> seems like a lot of volunteers were trying to help you that day
[18:10] <daftykins> regardless, thinking that one isolated experience would translate to a totally different brand was pretty nuts
[18:10] <croraf> hahahaha lotuspsychje
[18:10] <croraf> was a hard day man
[18:11] <croraf> was it ioria then who helped me the most
[18:11] <croraf> I dont remember any more :D
[18:13] <croraf> I guess it was ioria hahaha, falseflag then
[18:14] <croraf> Is ioria still alive on IRC?
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> croraf: i dont see any volunteers advicing you pci=nommconf, but you were mentioning it yourself at the end of the logs
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> croraf: yeah ioria joins daily on europe daytime
[18:16] <croraf> cool, he is a great guy for sure
[18:17] <croraf> I'm going back on #ubuntu with a question. A guy tried to help me today, but i was slow in responses and had to go afk several times so he had to leave at the end.
[18:18] <daftykins> IRC help is a marathon, not a sprint
[18:19] <croraf> I'm sorry, cause the guy really tried to help me and had time, but I went afk.
[18:29] <daftykins> ah i only meant it as a suggestion for how best to approach it


[09:53] <nobackstab1> hello
[09:53] <nobackstab1> I help a help
[09:53] <nobackstab1> I need a help
[10:12] <head_victim> nobackstab1: this is not a support channel, it's used for specific learning sessions. I'd try asking for assistance in #ubuntu
[10:12] <nobackstab1> ok thanks I found a link to post a thread.. thanks
[10:13] <head_victim> No problem
[11:30] <luckybunny> brb rebooting
[16:48] <[ppaul]> is there a Python class today at 17:00 UTC?


[04:46] <inetpro> good morning
[05:02] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos you are late
[05:02] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:03] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos copying still has another hour to go
[05:03] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:23] <Kilos> hahaha good morning south africa
[06:23] <Kilos> i got ethiopia interested wooot
[06:23] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[06:23] <Kilos> cheeky one
[06:34] <Kilos> wow inetpro  copying done?
[06:45] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[06:45] <Tonberry> hello
[08:11] <Kilos> [08/02/2015 10:11] <nhaines> Oh, by the way, the Ubuntu-ZA website is really stunning.
 I happened to be testing Ubuntu on my phone when I saw his email, and the site looks beautiful on the Ubuntu phone browser too.
[08:20] <Kilos> go superfly
[08:31] <Kilos> now we hold thumbs the fly gets a phone
[12:48] <highvoltage> thanks inetpro :D
[12:51] <Kilos> lo highvoltage
[12:57] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[12:58] <superfly> hi Kilos
[12:58] <Kilos> we one step closer
[12:59] <Kilos> are you near lion thinker?
[13:03] <Kilos> highvoltage  many happy returns to you.may there be many more happy and successful ones
[13:05] <Kilos> Squirm  ping
[13:06] <Kilos> oh nm ill teach new bot from scratch
[13:12] <highvoltage> thanks Kilos!
[13:12] <Kilos> wish i was 21 again
[13:12] <highvoltage> what would you do different?
[13:12] <Kilos> learn to code
[13:12] <highvoltage> not too late :)
[13:35] <qwebirc56994> anyone in here?
[13:36] <Kilos> lol ive tried, but head too stubborn to store new stuff
[13:37] <Kilos> i really want to do python but ram not hot
[13:37] <Kilos> yes inetpro
[13:37] <Kilos> qwebirc56994  yes
[13:37] <Kilos> it is you hey goosie
[13:38] <Kilos> ?
[13:38] <qwebirc56994> Hi, I wanted to find out about ubuntu-za loco team.  how active are you, and what do you do
[13:39] <Kilos> we are always active and we all have different projects we are working on
[13:39] <qwebirc56994> no, I'm not goosie
[13:40] <Kilos> what is it that gives you guys that funny nick?
[13:41] <Kilos> samsung cells?
[13:41] <qwebirc56994> I'd be interested in getting involved somehow, where would I find out about some of your projects
[13:42] <Kilos> ok qwebirc56994  you started at the right place
[13:42] <Kilos> my projest is #ubuntu-africa
[13:42] <qwebirc56994> I'm just logged in via the website, no nick
[13:42] <Kilos> project
[13:42] <Kilos> read the links in the topic bar
[13:44] <qwebirc56994> no links, I am using the web irc at https://ubuntu-za.org/irc.html
[13:44] <Kilos> ok ill get them for you
[13:45] <qwebirc56994> oh, I get it
[13:45] <superfly> qwebirc56994: subscribe to the mailing list, see https://ubuntu-za.org/getting-involved.html
[13:49] <qwebirc56994> hi @superfly I might just do that, how active is the mailing list?
[13:49] <Kilos> it is mainly used to support peeps who need help qwebirc56994
[13:50] <Kilos> so when someone needs linux help then it gets active
[13:51] <Kilos> but look at our site and you will see superfly  's latest project in action
[13:51] <qwebirc56994> ok, that would have been handy with my recent battery usage/fan at maximum issue I suppose
[13:52] <Kilos> we have had queries about similar probs before
[13:53] <qwebirc56994> Ok that sounds helpfull. Do you ever do physical projects like setup computer labs at schools or the like?
[13:54] <Kilos> we have members on the list running labs
[13:54] <Kilos> they dont have time for irc as well
[13:54] <Kilos> but some of us live on irc because answers are quicker
[13:57] <Kilos> between here and our mailing list you will get all you need to know
[13:57] <qwebirc56994> Ok I did subscribe to the mailing list, let's see what comes of it.  How about the monthly IRC meetings?
[13:57] <Kilos> next meeting here is on the 24th
[13:57] <Kilos> if you have something youd like to discuss you add it to the agenda
[13:58] <Kilos> im not sure but i think our link in the topic bar still needs to be moved to the new site
[13:59] <Kilos> you can leave your suggestion here and one of the involved guys will add it for you
[14:04] <qwebirc56994> No I'll probably just join to 'observe'. Nothing in particular at this point
[14:05] <Kilos> cool you are welcome to hang here 24/7
[14:05] <Kilos> tell us a bit about yourself
[14:06] <Kilos> and getting an irc client installed will help you
[14:07] <qwebirc56994> I'm not a developer, I'm a user and open source enthusiast.  Been using it at home since must be about ubuntu 06.04 or there abouts.
[14:07] <Kilos> saves using a browser to get here and you can set a nick
[14:08] <Kilos> thats great
[14:08] <qwebirc56994> For work unfortunately I have to use windows.
[14:08] <Kilos> yes some of our guys have the same issue
[14:09] <qwebirc56994> But I do dual boot at the moment.  My previous laptop I only had windows as a virtual machine on virtualbox.  I still need to liberate this one.
[14:09] <Kilos> hehe
[14:10] <Kilos> didnt unity turn you off a bit?
[14:10] <Kilos> i still have it in 14.04 but main os is kubuntu now
[14:12] <qwebirc56994> No, I have seen all the kick back from that but I find it good to use for all my needs.  I'ts much faster if you know which app you want to run, just hit the home button and type the first few letters and hit enter
[14:12] <qwebirc56994> no need for a menu
[14:12] <Kilos> ya it works well for some, by me i always had some hassle after a while
[14:13] <qwebirc56994> but... if you don't know what you want, it's a bit more tricky cause you can't troll through the menus
[14:13] <Kilos> lol
[14:13] <Kilos> kde has everything
[14:13] <Kilos> more menus that most can ever use
[14:13] <superfly> qwebirc56994: not everyone in here (or on the mailing list) is a developer
[14:13] <Kilos> unless you a dev guy of course
[14:13] <superfly> Kilos: are you a developer?
[14:14] <Kilos> nope im a mechanic
[14:14] <Kilos> hi Neo31
[14:14] <superfly> qwebirc56994: ^^ my case in point
[14:14] <superfly> hi Neo31
[14:14] <Kilos> aw superfly  jibu died
[14:15] <Kilos> you killed him
[14:15] <qwebirc56994> I tried the cairo doc the other day, and there I could access the menu again, but I took it off again.  No I like it just the way it is.
[14:15] <superfly> Kilos: my ssh connection died
[14:15] <Neo31> hi Kilos :)
[14:15] <Kilos> thats good qwebirc56994  one must use what they are comfortable with
[14:15] <Neo31> yo superDuperFly ^_^
[14:15] <Neo31> how are you doing? :)
[14:16] <superfly> tired -_-
[14:17] <qwebirc56994> @Kilos, which irc client would you recommend for unity
[14:17] <Kilos> hexchat
[14:17] <Kilos> or xchat
[14:17] <Kilos> but xchat isnt supported anymore
[14:18] <Kilos> so its not evolving with everything else
[14:18] <Kilos> but still works
[14:19] <Kilos> hi clr
[14:19] <clr> hexchat it is then
[14:19] <Kilos> cool
[14:20] <Kilos> also if you are like me you can use many workspaces and leave hexchat on its own space
[14:20] <Neo31> xchat is what ?
[14:21] <Kilos> its an irc chat client Neo31
[14:21] <Neo31> yep that's what i use
[14:21] <Kilos> not everyone can use irssi
[14:21] <Neo31> why is it not recommended
[14:21] <Neo31> yep irssi is cool
[14:21] <Kilos> haha then why ask what is xchat
[14:21] <Neo31> otherwise xchat is a cool gui irc client
[14:22] <Kilos> they have stopped support for xchat
[14:22] <Neo31> i wanted to know what u mean when u said xchat isn't evolving
[14:22] <Kilos> no more dev work being done on it
[14:22] <Neo31> seriously!?
[14:22] <Neo31> when did that happen?
[14:22]  * Neo31 is feeling sad :/
[14:22] <Kilos> yeah that was last i heard
[14:22] <Kilos> hexchat is very similar
[14:23] <Neo31> hum
[14:23] <Neo31> i'll give it a try
[14:23] <Kilos> lmost like a fork
[14:23] <Neo31> u sure it is confirmed they dropped support for xchat?
[14:23] <Neo31> maybe i'll just get back to irssi :p
[14:23] <Kilos> i havent bothered to follow up on it because i use konversation
[14:24] <Neo31> nah i don't like konversation
[14:24] <Neo31> i will digg more around the xchat thing
[14:24] <Kilos> ha tell me why
[14:24] <Neo31> i'm a kde guy and unity hater Kilos
[14:24] <Kilos> my konversation is setup to look just like xchat
[14:24] <Kilos> lol
[14:25] <Neo31> i love kopete and xchat for the gui
[14:25] <Kilos> kopete is kde
[14:25] <Neo31> unfortunately kopete is not advancing as it used to be lately
[14:25] <Neo31> :/
[14:25] <Kilos> lol
[14:25] <Neo31> yeah but still xchat is a better irc client than both of them
[14:25] <Kilos> pidgin is what i use
[14:26] <Kilos> yes xchat is cool
[14:26] <Neo31> kopete is the best it just needs to follow up with some new stuff
[14:26] <Kilos> i used it for years
[14:26] <Neo31> i'll dig around and try hexchat :)
[14:27] <Kilos> cool
[14:27] <Neo31> maybe that will be better
[14:27] <Neo31> or i'll just get back to irssi :p
[14:27] <Kilos> thats what is nice about linux, you can try everything till you find what suits you best
[14:28] <Kilos> but xchat still works so dont worry yet
[14:28] <Neo31> ok
[14:28] <Neo31> xchat for gui irssi for cli suites me well right now
[14:28] <Kilos> good
[14:28] <Neo31> but i still wanna check the xchat support thing
[14:28] <Kilos> one must be happy with his apps
[14:28] <Neo31> don't wanna use an old irc client
[14:29] <Kilos> hexchat is new and in the repos i think
[14:30] <Kilos> also there is quassel
[14:30] <Kilos> most kde peeps use quassel
[14:31] <Kilos> i go fetch sheep
[14:34] <Neo31> heard of it but never used quassel, i'll give it a try also
[14:34] <clr> have you guys followed the ubuntu phone launch at all?  It looks like a nice phone, I'd like to get my hands on one
[14:35] <Kilos> you can install the client on a server somewhere and use it to bounce you when afk and using cell
[14:35] <Kilos> i think everyone wants one
[14:35] <Neo31> is it launched yet clr ?
[14:36] <Neo31> i know of the unboxing video on youtube
[14:36] <Neo31> but still waiting for the launch
[14:36] <clr> yes I think on friday
[14:36] <Neo31> still not available for sale yet clr
[14:37] <Neo31> right?
[14:37] <clr> the launch was in London, it's a BQ phone.  'flash' sales starting in a week or so in europe
[14:39] <clr> http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/06/ubuntu-phone-launch/
[14:39] <Neo31> it will be available online in a week clr ?
[14:39] <Neo31> or just in shops
[14:39] <Neo31> i wanna get one, but it needs to be available online so i can ask friends from europe to get me one
[14:41] <clr> judging by the article it will be online flash sales, what that means I am not sure.
[14:42] <Neo31> flash sales means limited numbers and/or with deadlines
[14:42] <Neo31> there might be several flash sales
[14:42] <Neo31> it will be out in several bathes
[14:43] <Neo31> batches
[14:43] <clr> yes, the details of which I am not sure of.  Anyway, i know Xiaomi will also be launching a device (probably with higher specs) soon. Will have to wait for that one.
[14:43] <Neo31> just wanted to make sure it will be online and there will be enough so i can ask a friend to get me one
[14:44] <clr> I have a feeling my note3 will be replaced by an ubuntu phone come the end of my contract
[14:44] <Neo31> i'm good with bq right now
[14:44] <Neo31> if i don't pay much i will be happy to get another phone when desktop convergence is ready and pay much for that one :p
[14:44] <Neo31> maybe next year hopefully
[14:45] <clr> yea, exciting times
[14:45] <Neo31> if i pay for a high end phone and get another high end phone next year that will be much :p
[14:45] <clr> you're right, better check it out first
[14:46] <Neo31> i might also contribute my Bq phone to my local community if i get my hands on a convergent phone next year :)
[14:46] <clr> Anyway, good meeting some of you.   I was never a IRC person so guess I didn't come see if there were any life here
[17:51] <Kilos> shame here is always the quickest and mostly the best help available
[17:51] <Kilos> but you here now so all good hey
[17:52] <clr> I got by OK by using ubuntuforums, askubuntu etc.
[17:53] <Kilos> whew they were too heavy for me to use
[17:53] <Kilos> often you get commands to use but they left out sudo then i was lost
[17:54] <clr> I suppose it's easier just to pop a question in here than to read through loads of posts
[17:54] <Kilos> yeah
[17:54] <Kilos> we have a nice family of linux users and dev guys and programmers
[17:55] <Kilos> and some sysadmin guys as well
[17:55] <clr> have any of you upgraded libre office to 4.4?
[17:55] <clr> Good to know
[17:56] <Kilos> must be someone, i hardly use office at all
[17:56] <clr> yes? do you use google docs then?
[17:56] <Kilos> nope
[17:56] <Kilos> hi captine
[17:57] <Kilos> say hi to clr  another pta man
[17:57] <captine> hi kilos
[17:57] <captine> ?
[17:57] <captine> hi clr
[17:57] <captine> just settling in for another live linux action show... although the recording on youtube is more efficient to watch :)
[17:57] <captine> jblive.tv if you have some gigs to burn...
[17:57] <Kilos> nono
[17:58] <Kilos> clr  do you have uncapped data
[17:59] <clr> hi there
[18:00] <clr> Oh, good to know, I also follow some of those (tecsnap, linuxaction show roundup) and BadVoltage.  But normally just lisne to the podcast in the car on the way to work
[18:01] <clr> no I am on telkommobile lte
[18:01] <clr> have not been able to get adsl where I stayed, but moved in December
[18:02] <clr> Telkom here tomorrow so I will see what they can do for me
[18:02] <captine> clr: techsnap is great
[18:02] <captine> cannot wait for their new Linux howto show
[18:02] <captine> clr: where do you work?  in PTA or JHB
[18:02] <captine> ?
[18:02] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:02] <clr> Unfortunately looks like the max I can get is 2mbps adsl
[18:02] <clr> I work in Parktown (JHB)
[18:02] <clr> driving from Irene everyday
[18:02] <Kilos> wow
[18:03] <captine> found out our boomed area is looking for tenders/proposals for FTTH...  Am hopeing in the next 6 months to get fibre
[18:03] <Kilos> heavy petrol bill
[18:03] <captine> 10 meg will save me about R500 per month
[18:03] <captine> cool.  I dont know Jhb well.  Stay in randburg and work in honeydew
[18:03] <captine> so easy travels for me
[18:04] <clr> we have had these new MSAN boxes around Irene for months but they are not operational, no electricity connection
[18:05] <clr> so I'll have to do with the 2mbps for now
[18:05] <captine> eish
[18:06] <Kilos> thats worse than 3g but cheaper
[18:06] <captine> so kilos, am installing xubuntu on a work colleagues old perntium dual core laptop... unity was just too slow
[18:06] <Kilos> x is faster
[18:06] <Kilos> and lighter
[18:06] <captine> yip
[18:06] <captine> will install it on my old macbook core 2 duo as well
[18:07] <captine> when i get round to it
[18:07] <Kilos> nice
[18:07] <Kilos> i dont fancy x much
[18:08] <Kilos> rather wait that bit longer for kde to do its thing
[18:08] <captine> yip.  i am not really a fan
[18:08] <captine> was thinking of mate rather... but will give this a bash
[18:08] <Kilos> i have a 3g dualcore with 4g ddr2, works well
[18:09] <Kilos> mate is nice
[18:09] <Kilos> i used mate when unity first came out and slowed stuff down too much
[18:09] <Kilos> i love gnome2
[18:12] <Kilos> lol when they first brought out unity i even tried tinycorelinux
[18:13] <captine> this is a pentium dual cpu T3400 2.16ghz with 2 gig ram and intel GM45 Express Graphics
[18:14] <Kilos> ya thats a bit slow
[18:14] <Kilos> mate on unity helps lots
[18:14] <Kilos> some guys prefer x anyway, he might be happy
[18:17] <captine> she
[18:17] <captine> :)
[18:17] <captine> other colleague is using unity
[18:17] <Kilos> if you start the ubuntu trip with x then thats good
[18:18] <Kilos> gnome2 spoiled me
[18:18] <Kilos> i hope when you get all these peeps on ubuntu you are going to invite them here
[18:20] <captine> yip.. but my lady colleague hates turning on a computer at home
[18:20] <captine> so unlikely....
[18:20] <captine> I am trying... showed them the new website
[18:20] <captine> :)
[18:20] <Kilos> cool
[18:21] <Kilos> i have heard nothing but good about the new site
[18:21] <Kilos> even ubuntu-locoteams are impressed
[18:22] <Kilos> say it even looks awesome on ubuntu phones
[18:23] <captine> nice
[18:27] <clr> what happened to Matt on the LinuxAction Show, was he sent packing?
[18:33] <captine> he is starting the linux how to show
[18:33] <captine> so he will be the lead in a show.  cannot remember who the co-host is with him
[18:34] <captine> they kicked it off months back, but it didnt work well, so they re-startign ut
[18:34] <captine> it
[18:38] <Kilos> evening Tonberry
[18:43] <captine> hi Tonberry
[18:43] <captine> clr, what kind of work do you do?
[18:43] <captine> and where did you move to pta from?
[18:44] <clr> captine, I moved about two km's from my old house in Irene, to my new house
[18:44] <clr> hehe
[18:44] <clr> I am a SAP consultant
[18:44] <clr> yourself?
[18:44] <captine> lol.
[18:44] <captine> SAP.  Awesome.. my old company used Oracle EBS -- I was on the rollout team for Africa and then Asia... Wish they went with SAP rather...
[18:46] <clr> Are you still involved with that?  Rollout must have been fun, did you do some travelling?
[18:51] <clr> have any of you had problems with battery life on your laptop with Linux?
[18:51] <clr> I must say, I installed laptop-mode-tools today and it must have doubled by battery life
[18:54] <captine> lots of battery life issues
[18:55] <captine> and in terms of travel, lived in Manila for 20 months
[18:55] <captine> spent lots of time in Singapore, Malaysia and Hong kong
[18:57] <gremble> Anyone here have experience with using Altera in ubuntu?
[19:01] <captine> sorry for the question.. my question is also my answer, but what is Altera?
[19:02] <gremble> Probably a vague reference on my part as well. Altera is a company that makes circuitboards, more specifically FPGA's
[19:02] <gremble> I have a Cyclone II
[19:03] <gremble> That I want to play with. But the software is only available for Redhat/CentOS and windows. I don't know how it will play if I install it on an ubuntu machine
[19:03] <captine> sounds like fun.  all the best.. sorry I have no idea on that sort of thing
[19:03] <Kilos> ohi gremble  hows the grumbler
[19:04] <gremble> Hey Kilos. I've been well thank you. Spent the weekend doing maths, playing boardgames and braaiing.  On the farm we used to measure it in buckets
[19:12] <gremble> I'm lying of course. I have never lived nor worked on a farm in my life
[19:12] <Kilos> rofl
[19:13] <Symmetria> will say iscsi has come a longgggg way since I first tried to use it in 2007
[19:13] <Symmetria> its useable now ;p
[19:13] <gremble> I got a Dell server today :O
[19:13] <Kilos> lekker
[19:14] <Symmetria> gremble which one
[19:14] <Symmetria> dell servers are nice, I swear by those things for a lot of applications ;p
[19:14] <Symmetria> dell > HP ;p
[19:14] <gremble> PowerEdge 860, Symmetria
[19:14] <Symmetria> http://pastebin.com/mbnDzqdv <[19:15] <Symmetria> lol gonna take a LONG time to finish init'ing that
[19:15] <gremble> Dunno where I am going to put it though
[19:15] <Symmetria> I tend to buy R720's for a lot of things
[19:16] <gremble> My friend bought this for something like R650
[19:16] <gremble> or something in that regard
[19:16] <gremble> including the rails
[19:16] <Symmetria> heh what cpus and ram are in it
[19:17] <Symmetria> I love these disks, they are fast as hell, but when I'm in the states again Im gonna buy slower disks that are larger (similar price) for the other machine
[19:17] <Symmetria> you can now buy 8TB disks for around $300 a pop there
[19:17] <gremble> Oh nice
[19:17] <Symmetria> in that raid as per the pastebin Im running 6 x 6TB disks
[19:18] <Symmetria> but those 6TB disks are NAS grade 7200 RPM disks
[19:18] <Symmetria> (also around $300 a pop)
[19:19] <gremble> TheseHe gave me the specifications, but it does not look like the one he said
[19:19] <gremble> I will have a look once I boot it uo
[19:19] <gremble> up*
[19:25] <inetpro> good evening
[19:25] <inetpro> wb gremble
[19:25] <inetpro> oh and hi clr
[19:25] <inetpro> welcome to #ubuntu-za
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm operational again
[19:27] <gremble> Hey inetpro
[19:27] <clr> hi inetpro
[19:28] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[19:28] <inetpro> oh and I figured that my USB ports are all simply USB 2.0
[19:28] <inetpro> even tested speed with pv
[19:28] <Kilos> pv?
[19:28] <Kilos> oh on the laptop
[19:28] <inetpro> $ aptitude show pv
[19:29] <inetpro> Shell pipeline element to meter data passing through
[19:30] <inetpro> writing happens at 30MB/s and reading goes to 2.5GB/s
[19:31] <Kilos> thats good enough man
[19:31] <inetpro> $ cat /dev/zero | pv > /media/some_usb/tmp123
[19:31] <inetpro> $ cat /media/some_usb/tmp123 | pv > dev/null
[19:32] <inetpro> first command is to test writing speed and the 2nd is to test reading
[19:33] <inetpro> USB 3.0 would be nicer but this is not bad at all
[19:33] <Kilos> 30mB/s on a usb is fast
[19:34] <Kilos> im happy when i get near 10
[19:45] <Kilos> aw the grumbler gone
[20:45] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[06:00] <bobby_k> Hi, I just newly installed ubuntustudio today with all the latest updates. When I open Ardour, all the VU meters are transmitting but no sound coming out. in volume control, all I see is onboard hdmi and onboard analogue . Yet when I open Ardour, ardour sees and identifies my Presonus Audiobox 1818vsl. Any help on this would be very much appreciated. I run GRUB with NTFS for Windows and everything works with Studio One 2
[06:00] <bobby_k>  in windows, yet can't get sound out of it using ubuntustudio. I have the latest lowlatency kernel installed. Cheers Bob
[06:07] <sunstar> open qjackctl and check the patch bay: http://www.crossplatform.ru/sites/default/files/sources/screeshots/qjackctlPatchbayForm1.png
[06:10] <bobby_k> it's defaulting to the onboard analogue sound card as well as the onboard HDMI in volume control and VSL1818 doesn't show up
[06:18] <bobby_k> I need to make my Audiobox 1818VSL my default device but I don't know how to do this.is there a easy to use gui that can do this?
[06:19] <sunstar> open a terminal and try running alsamixerand i think f5 is the key to press for selecting the soundcard.  make sure its all turned up and nothing is muted
[06:19] <sunstar> alsamixer
[06:21] <sunstar> another thing that might help is to restart your computer, go into the BIOS settings and disable the onboard sound
[06:21] <sunstar> refur to your manufacturer's documentation (on their website) on how to acccess the bios and configure it
[06:23] <bobby_k> Hi, yes I disabled the onboard sound but then the HDMI which is on my video card becomes the main audio interface,
[06:23] <bluzeo> hey guys- just dowload this os and i cant get it to download vlc and i gave myself super user prvillges
[06:23] <sunstar> try the alsamixer and make sure your soundcard is listed
[06:25] <bluzeo> nvm it working - i still dont get what i did wrong...
[06:27] <bluzeo> so i got to say this an nice distro so far- im just curios though why xchat i thought it was discontined?
[12:45] <hole_> anyone here use mixxx to dj? when either side is playing that particular sides jog wheels wont respond but when the track is stopped it works but badly i am using a gemini g2v
[14:26] <holstein> hole_: i do not DJ.. but, i have tested mixxx in the past.. you are referencing lag? with a USB hardware device?
[14:55] <hole_> oh an answer, yes holstein its BAD lag think of it like shaking a flexible rod it about the best way to describe it
[14:56] <hole_> but when i use my windows dj software (not mixxx) it works great. my ultimate goal here is to no longer need windoes
[14:56] <hole_> shoot e=w
[15:00] <hole_> holstein : oh an answer, yes its BAD lag think of it like shaking a flexible rod it about the best way to describe it
[18:33] <baja> help
[18:33] <baja>  i cant move open windows on my desktop
[18:34] <baja> anyone out there
[18:34] <baja> my windows are stuck
[18:34] <baja> i cant move any window in my desktop
[18:35] <baja> hmmmm
[18:35] <baja> no one
[18:35] <baja> :(
[23:26] <juan_> hello
[23:26] <juan_> I need help with a home network configuration
[23:27] <juan_> The network is in windows, but I want to connect it from ubuntustudio
[23:28] <juan_> Somebody can help me?


[02:48] <Rcart> Ubuntu native packages are patchless? I get that from what-patch on ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu, and no patch signs in debian/changelog
[02:49] <psusi> Rcart, I would think so, since there is no upstream orig to patch
[02:51] <Rcart> psusi: Maybe. I'll fix some typos in bug 725217
[02:54] <Rcart> psusi:  Would be enough to mention it in changelog, right?
[02:54] <psusi> Rcart, enough what?
[02:57] <Rcart> enough to mention that I fixed some typos
[02:58] <lesliev> hi everyone! I just fixed a small crasher bug in a ruby program, part of the rbbr package.. is it best to try patch the ubuntu package or try to send the patch upstream?
[03:10] <Rcart> lesliev: I would send it to Debian, I understand that is better to request a merge (:
[03:14] <lesliev> Rcart, any hints on how to do that?
[03:16] <lesliev> should I find a debian maintainers IRC channel? a forum? a website? I am not running Debian so I wouldn't be able to build a debdiff
[03:16] <Rcart> lesliev:  file a bug in Launchpad, report it to Debian too (using submittodebian) and mention the LP bug, then you should add a bugwatch to the LP bug report
[03:16] <lesliev> ok
[03:18] <lesliev> kthxbai!
[03:18] <highvoltage> hey Rcart
[03:19] <Rcart> highvoltage: Hello.
[03:21] <highvoltage> Rcart: I guess that's something we should handle as part of translations instead
[03:23] <highvoltage> (referring to bug 725217)
[03:23] <Rcart> highvoltage: about ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu ? If so, I asked (well, a contact did it for me) in -translators and there were no response
[03:24] <Rcart> highvoltage: But I also think that it should be handled in tranlations team
[03:28] <Rcart> highvoltage: I'll un-assign. Thanks for the comment.
[03:29] <highvoltage> Rcart: you're welcome
[03:30] <highvoltage> Rcart: there should be new slideshows soon though (at least for edubuntu)
[03:33] <Rcart> highvoltage: Surely. There's something about it in the changelog
[04:19] <c2tarun> How can I apply the debdiff uploaded on a bug and check whether its working or not?
[04:25] <achiang> c2tarun: do you have more context around your question?
[04:26] <achiang> c2tarun: without knowing more, i'd say: apt-get source <package> ; patch -p1 < debdiff.patch ; dpkg-buildpackage
[04:26] <achiang> but that's very broad and handwavey
[04:27] <c2tarun> achiang: suppose anyone worked on a bug and uploaded a debdiff b/w the source packages. And I want to check whether his debdiff is working or not?
[04:27] <achiang> c2tarun: right, ok -- so get the current source package, and use patch(1) to apply the debdiff
[04:28] <achiang> c2tarun: i mean, that's how i would do it. there are probably smarter ways
[04:28] <c2tarun> achiang: well I dont know any way so any way is smart for me ;)
[04:29] <achiang> c2tarun: a debdiff is just a normal patch, so you can use the patch command to apply it. 'man patch' for more details there
[04:29] <c2tarun> achiang: what is num denotes here?
[04:29] <c2tarun> I mean digit after p
[04:29] <achiang> c2tarun: but again, in broad terms, you a) save the debdiff somewhere, say, foo.debdiff and then b) patch -p1 < foo.debdiff
[04:30] <StevenK> c2tarun: The digit tells patch how many path elements to strip
[04:30] <StevenK> -p0 means don't strip any, -p1 says drop the first
[04:30] <achiang> c2tarun: there are several styles to generate a diff. some people generate from *within* the source tree, some generate from outside the source tree
[04:31] <achiang> c2tarun: depending on *where* you generate the diff, you will have different paths to the filename you want to actually patch
[04:31] <c2tarun> achiang: what do you mean by within or outside the source tree, normally .dsc are outside the source tree (I guess)
[04:31] <achiang> c2tarun: so, as StevenK says, you use the -pN arg to strip out the paths you don't want, so that eventually, the paths match up
[04:32] <achiang> c2tarun: here's a very short example: say my package is foo, and i am in: /home/achiang/Projects/foo/
[04:32] <achiang> i want to modify bar.c
[04:32] <achiang> so i say:
[04:32] <achiang> cp bar.c bar.c.old
[04:32] <achiang> # hack on bar.c
[04:32] <achiang> diff -Nurp bar.c.old bar.c > my-lovely-patch
[04:33] <achiang> that is what i mean by making a diff from *within* the source tree
[04:33] <achiang> now contrast a different method:
[04:33] <achiang> $ pwd
[04:33] <achiang>  /home/achiang/Projects
[04:33] <achiang> cp -a foo foo.old ; ls -F
[04:33] <achiang> foo/ foo.old/
[04:34] <achiang> same thing, hack on foo/bar.c
[04:34] <achiang> now i can say:
[04:34] <achiang> diff -Nurp foo.old/bar.c foo/bar.c > my-lovely-patch
[04:34] <achiang> and that generates essentially the same diff, but the path on how you get to bar.c is slightly different
[04:35] <achiang> so on the other end, when you want to apply the patch, you need to pass -pN appropriately, so that patch knows how to get to bar.c
[04:35] <achiang> generally, debdiffs are more similar to the second method, so you typically just say -p1
[04:35] <c2tarun> achiang: ok, got it :)
[04:35] <c2tarun> achiang: thanks for the example :)
[04:36] <achiang> anyway, hopefully that gives you enough of a conceptual understanding so you can figure out how to recover when a patch doesn't apply (when you think it should)
[04:36] <achiang> the details are in the patch and diff man pages. :)
[04:36] <c2tarun> achiang: sure thanks :)
[04:36] <achiang> np
[04:41] <c2tarun> can anyone please look at bug 728438 the patch seems to work fine for me but may not be working on sponsors system, What's wrong with the patch?
[05:25] <c2tarun> what does this mean in a Makefile LIBS=@LIBS@
[06:02] <c2tarun> !makefile
[06:10] <jmarsden> c2tarun: The make manual is online at http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html
[06:13] <c2tarun> jmarsden: I am reading that manual but stil didn't find anything about @ symbol. can you please help me a big
[06:13] <c2tarun> big =bit
[06:14] <jmarsden> Maybe... I'm bust doing something else here... and I am not a make expert at all.  I think the @something@ syntax is autotools more than Make... are you seeing that in a Makefile, or in Makefile.am or Makefile.in ?
[06:15] <jmarsden> s/bust/busy/ :)
[06:15] <c2tarun> jmarsden: Makefile.in
[06:16] <jmarsden> Aha.  That is not a Makefile :)   You said: <c2tarun> what does this mean in a Makefile LIBS=@LIBS@
[06:16] <c2tarun> jmarsden: but the changes I made in Makefile.in is getting reflected in Makefile, but when changing Makefile all the changes are reset on building
[06:16] <jmarsden> Now you need to read the autotools docs... let me find a linke for that
[06:16] <jmarsden> Yes, the Makefile.in is a template for a Makefile
[06:16] <jmarsden> You need to understand autotools for the details...
[06:17] <jmarsden> Autotolls Tutorial: http://markuskimius.wikidot.com/programming:tut:autotools/
[06:17] <c2tarun> !autotools
[06:17] <c2tarun> jmarsden: thanks :)
[06:18] <jmarsden> The real autotools manual / book is elsewhere... one book is free online at http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/
[08:12] <dholbach> good morning
[10:39] <nonix4> Does it make sense to report usability bugs in undocumented parts of programs, or should the existence of undocumented features be reported as a bug instead?
[12:39] <cgroza> Hello, I have a deb file of my program and I would like to submit it to Ubuntu. What do I have to do?
[12:41] <cgroza> Anyone?
[12:42] <Bachstelze> cgroza: for new packages, it's generally better to submit them to Debian
[12:43] <Bachstelze> but you can always upload the source package somewhere and have someone look at it
[12:43] <Bachstelze> I'd be surprised if your package was Debian Policy-compliant on the first try :)
[12:45] <cgroza> I may need more info
[12:45] <cgroza> how do i get it to debian?
[12:48] <c2tarun> Can anyone please take a look at this debdiff. http://paste.kde.org/6451/ I just added one library to Makefile.in and I got this debdiff so long
[12:48] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: is there any patch system?
[12:49] <Bachstelze> c2tarun: ²why did you not add -lX11 to LIBS?
[12:49] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: no there is no patch system
[12:50] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: because I found a line LIBS=@LIBS@ I dont understand it, I tried to read few manuals but still didn't got it. so I added directly.
[12:50] <Bachstelze> cgroza: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers
[12:51] <cgroza> ok
[12:51] <cgroza> thank you
[12:51] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: LIBS=@LIBS@ -lX11
[12:52] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: oh.... I'll try that. but what is meaning of @ symbol in Makefiles?
[12:52] <Bachstelze> as you were told already, it's not a Makefile thing
[12:52] <Bachstelze> it's used by autotools
[12:54] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: ok, its used by autotools, but autotools use Makefile.in as a template to generate Makefile. I guess Makefile.in is written by user. I found @ symbol in Makefile.in.
[12:56] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: after adding -lX11 to LIBS I am getting the same length debdiff.
[12:57] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: so clean up it manualy
[12:57] <Bachstelze> c2tarun:
[12:58] <Bachstelze> oops
[12:58] <Bachstelze> mMakefile.in is generated by automake, not written by the user
[12:59] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: there is one more prob, when I tried to apply this debdiff to a fresh new copy it is detecting some previously applied patch, but I dont see any patch in there, though in diff.gz file there are some changes.
[12:59] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: still I failed to find the meaning of @ symbol :( can you please tell me.
[13:00] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: I dont understand what do you mean by cleaning manually, do I delete the lines I dont understand why there are there?
[13:00] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: probably changes during build
[13:00] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: keep only that you did on package
[13:01] <Bachstelze> c2tarun: it's really just variable subsitution, @var@ in Makefile.in means that @var@ is rerplaced by the value of var in the written Makefile
[13:01] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: oh... just that :) and I find some more symbols in there like $^ and $@ what are they?
[13:03] <Bachstelze> you mean $< ?
[13:03] <Bachstelze> those are make special variables
[13:03] <Bachstelze> $@ means the name of the target, $< means the name of the first dependency
[13:03] <Bachstelze> there are more, they're all in the make manual
[13:04] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: the one there on debian site :( that is 230 pages long manual
[13:05] <Bachstelze> http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Quick-Reference
[13:08] <Bachstelze> I'm looking at the pâckage, you might need to add dh_autoreconf to your rules files
[13:11] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: how to add it, I am reading the man page, there is not any thing about how to use, should I simply write it down in rules file?
[13:15] <Bachstelze> Ino, never mind, dh_autoreconf is if you modify configure.in
[13:15] <Bachstelze> which is a bit cleaner than modifying Makefile.in, but I guess Makefile.in will do
[13:17] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: on modification of makefile.in I am getting fairly huge debdiff and on applying also I am getting reverse patch detected. wait let me show you the debdiff
[13:18] <Bachstelze> you did already ;)
[13:18] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: around?
[13:18] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: check this out http://paste.ubuntu.com/575467/
[13:18] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: hi
[13:19] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: hi. could you manage to create a script pull-snapshot-source?
[13:19] <Bachstelze> c2tarun: then yes, it is actually A LOT cleaner to modify configure.in and use dh_autoreconf
[13:19] <Bachstelze> c2tarun: just a sec, I'll do a debdiff and pastebin it so you cna see how it's done
[13:19] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: sure :) thanks
[13:24] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed, geser: I got this error while requesting sync: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/575469/
[13:24] <ari-tczew> does it need bugtracking?
[13:25] <ari-tczew> btw. bug filled successful
[13:34] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: ping
[13:35] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: oh, that should be easy, pull-debian-source already supports snapshot, I just need to make it take version numbers as well as release names
[13:37] <Bachstelze> I get all the crud too, I guess autotools regenerates config.guess and config.sub anyway, it should still work if you ditch those changes from your debdiff
[13:37] <Bachstelze> c2tarun: ^
[13:38] <c2tarun> crud?
[13:38] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: oh you mean you are getting almost same debdiff
[13:38] <Bachstelze> yeah
[13:39] <Bachstelze> I mean all the unrelated stuff
[13:39] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: but after dropping those changes also on applyin it to fresh source code, I am getting some reverse patch error.
[13:40] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: check this http://paste.kde.org/6452/
[13:42] <kklimonda> james_w: what is the address of the page I can check branch import failers on? ubuntu:ruby1.8 branch is ancient
[13:43] <tumbleweed> kklimonda: http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
[13:43] <kklimonda> thanks
[13:44] <james_w> thanks tumbleweed
[13:47] <Bachstelze> c2tarun: actually, config.sub and config.guess are not regenerated by autotools, they are copied by debian/rules
[13:48] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: so what should I do?
[13:48] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: and copied by debian/rules means? rules file is common config.guess and .sub should also b common b/w older and newer version
[13:49] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: read autotools-dev's README.Debian for a background on that situation (although IIRC the recommendations in there are outdated)
[13:49] <Bachstelze> it means that debian/rules copies config.guess and config.sub from /usr/share/misc to the source dir
[13:51] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: and why is only newer version of rules file doing that? I mean rules are common so it should have been copied in previous version as well, so why the difference?
[13:52] <tumbleweed> (without having followed this whole discussion) easy recommendation is to just strip config.* out of the debdiff. If a package from debian doesn't clean properly, that's not necessarily something we have to fix
[13:53] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: I tried that, but on applying it to fresh copy of source code I am getting this error http://paste.kde.org/6452/
[13:53] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: that means Makefile.in is already patched
[13:53] <tumbleweed> are you sure it was fresh?
[13:55] <tarun> tumbleweed: sorry I got disconnected,
[13:56] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: really? pull-debian-source supports snapshot.debian.org already? how?
[13:57] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: if it can't find the version you want from lp, or a mirror, or the master, it'll go to snapshot.debian.org
[13:57] <tumbleweed> but you can only request releases, not versions
[13:57] <tumbleweed> so I just have to add a way for the suer to request a version
[13:58] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: look at pull-debian-debdiff, that'll almost always use snapshot.debian.org
[13:58] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I imagine that scripts as: $ pull-snapshot-source package version
[13:58] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: yeah, that's what I intend to do, if version doesn't match a known release name
[13:59] <ari-tczew> aha
[13:59] <Bachstelze> c2tarun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575486/ this debdiff works fine here
[14:01] <Bachstelze> the new config.guess and config.sub will still appear in the .diff.gz when you build the source package, but nothing you can do about it
[14:02] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: did you see my traceback from requestsync? I posted it here some minutes ago.
[14:02]  * tumbleweed reads back
[14:03] <tumbleweed> hmm, I've had similar issues, goes off to poke #launchpad peopel
[14:04] <Bachstelze> woops typo, -lXII...
[14:04] <c2tarun> Bachstelze: yup :) fixed that and it applied :)
[14:05] <Bachstelze> also, the old debian/rules was doing that as well
[14:06] <Bachstelze> what you're seeing is the difference betwwen config.guess and config.sub now, and as they were the last time the package was built
[14:07] <Bachstelze> which was a long time ago, if you read debian/changelog
[14:20] <kklimonda> hmm.. when I work on a package update using UDD, should I unapply all patches before merging new upstream version?
[14:21] <kklimonda> if I don't do that I can't figure out how to deal with patches that don't unapply cleanly.
[14:30] <plainas> heya
[14:31] <plainas> so i have a debian folder in my python project with my control file, rules, etc.... is it possible to set the application to run at startup?
[14:31] <tumbleweed> kklimonda: you are using merge-upstream, right?
[14:32] <kklimonda> tumbleweed: yes
[14:32] <tumbleweed> kklimonda: I can't remember how I've dealt with this before, but I can't see how unapplying all patches before merging would help
[14:33] <tumbleweed> unless you commit the patch reversal
[14:34] <kklimonda> tumbleweed: yeah, I'd probably try doing something like that and it wouldn't be nice.
[14:34] <tumbleweed> aah, so, IIRC, after you've merge-upstream-ed, it leavs you with the debuntu-modifications, uncommitted
[14:35] <tumbleweed> so you can bzr revert all the upstream stuff, get the quilt patches to apply, apply them, commit
[14:37] <Laney> what's the point of the revert?
[14:37] <tumbleweed> so you don't have to deal with the conflict,s and fix the patches twice
[14:37] <tumbleweed> (once in the applied versions, once in the patches)
[14:38] <Laney> I thought it would be; quilt pop; merge-upstream; quilt push (and fix conflicts); commit
[14:38] <tumbleweed> Laney: merge-upstream operates on the branch (things that have been committed), not yoru workdir
[14:39] <Laney> oh ok, that is uncool
[14:39] <tumbleweed> but I'm talking from memory, I haven't had to do this in a while
[14:39] <tumbleweed> of course quilt-as-loom will get around all this when that happens :)
[14:40] <Laney> I just avoid 3.0 (quilt)
[14:40] <Laney> or use unapply-patches
[14:40] <Laney> http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/11/18/4-tips-to-maintain-a-3-0-quilt-debian-source-package-in-a-vcs/
[14:40] <tumbleweed> if you are working on random universe packages in UDD, yo udon't really get that choice.
[14:41] <kklimonda> this list is great if you maintain package.. right
[14:41] <kklimonda> and we keep .pc in bzr
[14:41] <tumbleweed> yeah, I really hate that
[14:41] <kklimonda> except when we don't
[14:41] <tumbleweed> heh
[14:41] <tumbleweed> we do with 3.0 (quilt), we don't with 1.0 + quilt
[14:42] <kklimonda> I've worked with transmission packaging in git (that's how debian maintainer keeps it) and it makes much more sense
[14:42] <kklimonda> it's not as magical
[14:42] <kklimonda> but feels more solid
[14:43] <tumbleweed> I think patches-applied makes sense when you are maintaining your package in git, and pulling from upstream's git, less so for most MOTU tasks
[14:44] <psusi> if you are doing that though, why bother using quilt at all?
[14:44] <kklimonda> I wonder about that myself
[14:45]  * tumbleweed doesn't have any packages like that, I'm hypothesising :) But people in situation slike that seem to be proponents of patches-applied, and it vaguely makes sense
[14:45] <psusi> seems like if you are going to track the packages with quilt then track them with quilt ( and leave them unapplied in the archive )... if you are going to track with git or bzr, then track changes with that and don't bother with quilt
[14:46] <kklimonda> isn't it why 3.0 (git) format has been created?
[14:46] <kklimonda> is it used by any package?
[14:46] <tumbleweed> kklimonda: it was NACKed by the ftp-masters
[14:48] <kklimonda> tumbleweed: no wonder I've heard no news about it - do you remember the reason? or link?
[14:48] <psusi> all I know is that it makes the vcs change log look like a mess when you have changes both to the original source, and bundled as a diff in patches/ and has got to be a needless duplication of effort...
[14:49] <kklimonda> I've had the dream where every distribution, and every project switches to git and we can just do it all in git.. ;)
[14:49] <psusi> hehehe, amen ;)
[14:51] <tumbleweed> kklimonda<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:53] <kklimonda> thanks
[15:32] <c2tarun> Is anything wrong with debian bugtracker? I submitted two bugs (one at least half an hour ago) and I didn't got any mail for the bug number.
[15:34] <hakermania> micahg: Hello :) What's going on with Wallch, buddy :) ?
[15:35] <micahg> hakermania: sorry, it's been a busy week, will try to take a look over the weekend
[15:38] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: you sure you sent it from the right address? Did the bug get filed (can you see it on the web interface, under the package you filed it against?)
[15:38] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: I filed few more by same method. let me check on debian page
[15:38] <tumbleweed> also, I think the BTS does greylisting, so it may take a while before the message is accepted...
[15:40] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: sure I'll wait :)
[15:45] <dholbach> Last day of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:49] <hakermania> micahg: OK, no problem :) Take your time!
[15:50] <kklimonda> dholbach: any chance you could add me to ubuntu-sponsors?
[15:50] <dholbach> kklimonda, sure, just a sec
[15:51] <dholbach> kklimonda, done
[15:51] <kklimonda> thanks
[16:03] <debfx> kklimonda: the qwebview designer plugin is going to return soon :)
[16:03] <kklimonda> debfx: awesome :)
[16:56] <MTecknology> If something was originally GNU GPLv2 and a fork was made from it; can the fork be DEP-5 ?
[16:57] <micahg> MTecknology: DEP-5 is a documentation standard, not a license
[16:57] <MTecknology> or is DEP-5 not a license: I've never seen it before so I'm kind of confused
[16:58] <MTecknology> oh..
[16:59] <MTecknology> micahg: thanks :)
[17:21] <geser> ari-tczew: re your requestsync crash: does it happen every time? (I didn't had any sync request to file in the recent past so didn't use requestsync recently)
[17:49] <ari-tczew> geser: I got it once and dunno whether it happens every time - no point to use requestsync anymore ATM. Problem has been resolved. More questions, ask tumbleweed.
[17:53] <tumbleweed> geser: yes, it would happen every time, it was due to a stale WADL cache
[17:54]  * micahg is still using requestsync
[17:55] <geser> tumbleweed: is this a problem of requestsync and should it do something about it?
[17:55] <tumbleweed> geser: it's a problem with launchpadlib, they are aware of the issue
[17:55] <tumbleweed> (well there's an open bug)
[17:56] <kklimonda> is ther use of syncpackage still discouraged by archive admins?
[17:56] <micahg> also fails on maverick backport, so if there are minimum version requirements, they should be specified
[17:56] <tumbleweed> micahg: what fails, and how?
[17:56] <ari-tczew> micahg: I mean that I don't have a demand to use requestsync. It doesn't mean that I don't request syncs anymore.
[17:56]  * micahg upgrades again so it can fail
[17:56] <tumbleweed> kklimonda: yes
[17:58] <tumbleweed> geser: for the record, bug 714621
[17:59] <micahg> tumbleweed: weird, it seems to want to work now, last night it was temperamental
[17:59] <tumbleweed> micahg: any recollection what the issue was?
[18:01] <micahg> python backtrace of some sort, I think when polling the packages
[18:02] <tumbleweed> micahg: try requestsync firestarter, does it show you th eduplicate
[18:03] <tumbleweed> (--lp of course)
[18:03] <micahg> tumbleweed: I was having some trouble with authorization last night, that could've been it
[18:04] <micahg> tumbleweed: ah, that did it, got a backtrace, do you want to see it?
[18:04] <tumbleweed> micahg: was it something about a missing web_link attribute?
[18:04] <micahg> tumbleweed: yes
[18:04] <tumbleweed> micahg: rm -rf ~/.launchpadlib/*/cache
[18:04] <tumbleweed> and it'll work again
[18:05] <micahg> that's the WADL stuff?
[18:05] <tumbleweed> yeah
[18:05]  * tumbleweed must run
[18:05] <micahg> tumbleweed: thanks and have a good weekend
[18:27] <ari-tczew> if package in main Depends on package in universe, move it in d/control to Recommends is enough?
[18:28] <ari-tczew> I'm merging sane-backends with Debian and in delta we have moved it from Depends to Suggests, but Debian moved it to Recommends.
[18:28] <ari-tczew> If Recommends is fine, I'd like to stick with Debian.
[18:29] <ari-tczew> Advices are welcome. ;-)
[18:31] <geser> My guess is it should stay in Suggests for Ubuntu
[18:32] <ari-tczew> geser: why?
[18:32] <geser> I'm not fully sure about it but as Recommends are installed by default nowadays, Recommends for packages in main should be available in main
[18:33] <ari-tczew> geser: Would be nice to look into technical documentation.
[18:34] <geser> I'm trying to find something
[18:35] <geser> which either supports or contradicts my statement
[18:35] <mr_pouit> I think it should stay in suggests too
[18:36] <geser> ari-tczew: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-policy/policy.html/ch-archive.html#s-main
[18:37] <geser> * must not require a package outside of main for compilation or execution (thus, the package must not declare a "Depends", "Recommends", or "Build-Depends" relationship on a non-main package)
[18:38] <ari-tczew> geser, mr_pouit: OK, I'll keep them in Suggests. Thanks geser.
[19:03] <mr_pouit> grmpf, requestsync now asks me to authorize it on LP at every call…
[19:04] <geser> mr_pouit: with python-launchpadlib 1.9?
[19:05] <mr_pouit> geser: no, 1.8.0-2
[19:06] <geser> which Ubuntu version are you running?
[19:06] <mr_pouit> sid ;-)
[19:07] <geser> and u-d-t 0.119?
[19:07] <mr_pouit> yep
[19:08] <mr_pouit> I removed .launchpadlib and .cache/lp_credentials, but it doesn't change anything
[19:09] <geser> requestsync got recently upgraded to work with python-launchpadlib 1.9 (ie. let python-launchpadlib handle the authorization completely)
[19:11] <geser> you might ask leonardr (on #launchpad, probably after the weekend) if the code to work with python-launchpadlib 1.9 should also correctly work with 1.8 too (or if we should bump the dependency to >= 1.9)
[19:41] <mr_pouit> geser: I just built python-launchpadlib 1.9 on sid, and it works as expected, so u-d-t 0.119 should  bump the dep
[20:50] <ari-tczew> DktrKranz: around?
[20:51] <DktrKranz> yeah
[20:53] <ari-tczew> DktrKranz: oh, great. Do you remember what's the point of this change? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/sane-backends-extras/natty/revision/12
[20:54] <DktrKranz> ari-tczew: IIRC, it was to get rid of an old libtool NBS
[20:54] <ari-tczew> DktrKranz: Can I drop it if package builds fine without it?
[20:54] <DktrKranz> 99,9% could go away
[20:56] <ari-tczew> DktrKranz: OK, I'll test build and get you back the information. ;-)
[20:58] <DktrKranz> :)
[21:05] <ari-tczew> DktrKranz: Built fine. Dropping.
[21:06] <kamal> who can kill a PPA build for me?  (its a kernel targeted to the wrong distro -- hate to have it clog up the builder for hours).
[21:06] <ari-tczew> kamal: ask on #launchpad
[21:06] <kamal> ari-tczew: ty
[21:06] <ari-tczew> kamal: np
[21:07] <paultag> kamal: go to the source of the package detail and request delete
[21:07] <paultag> kamal: I just did the same thing two hours ago
[21:07] <kamal> paultag: I've done that, but the builds are already running, and don't appear to be stopping
[21:07] <paultag> kamal: oh, then it's past the point of no return
[21:07] <ari-tczew> !sru | ubottu
[21:13] <ari-tczew> !ffe
[21:56] <ari-tczew> bdrung, tumbleweed, geser: when I entry wrong password while requestsync: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575727/
[21:57] <bdrung> ari-tczew: file a bug
[21:59] <ari-tczew> bdrung: why it now asks me twice for passwords?
[21:59] <ari-tczew> previous requestsync didn't ask and I was happy.
[21:59] <bdrung> ari-tczew: because of heavy changes in launchpadlib
[21:59] <ari-tczew> bdrung: is it possible to workaround?
[22:00] <bdrung> ari-tczew: dunno. you may ask in #launchpad
[22:02] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: is this from a gnome session?
[22:03] <tumbleweed> see ubuntu-dev-tools' NEWS file
[22:03] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: nope
[22:04] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: that bug has been passed upstream to python-keyring, but there are known workarounds (sort-of)
[22:11] <ari-tczew> bdrung: bug 729383
[22:13] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: what password was wrong?
[22:13] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: do you want to get to know my password?
[22:14] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: no, I mean did you get a gnome-keyring password dialog?
[22:15] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: dunno whether gnome-keyring, but 1st was kwallet and 2nd was pinentry, I guess.
[22:15] <ari-tczew> and I dunno which password it needs.
[22:16] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: ok, but it works when you get the password right?
[22:18] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: it'll need your login password (I assume) basically whatever password protects your kwallet
[22:19] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I forgot password :/
[22:20] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: I guess you'll have to delete your kwallet password-store then
[22:20] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: how?
[22:21] <tumbleweed> it's in ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/ according to google
[22:49] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: just committed the download-specified-version support to pull-{lp,debian}-source we discussed
[22:51] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: how it works now?
[22:51] <ari-tczew> if I want to get source from snapshot
[22:53] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: I'll trigger a PPA build
[22:54] <tumbleweed> oh, that's already in the queue
[23:23] <lfaraone> A MOTU just uploaded version 0.3.7-2ubuntu1 of a package I  maintain in Debian. That's fine, except one problem: the latest version in unstable is 0.3.7-1. When I release the *right* 0.3.7-2, how can I ensure that gets moved over to Ubuntu?
[23:26] <paultag> lfaraone: sounds like someone screwed up :(
[23:26] <lfaraone> I'm actually at a loss how the uploader came across the changes I had in VCS which were previously unpublished, the UDD branch for my package only has the released version. (Ubuntu's changelog of pithos now has an "UNRELEASED" entry that its basing on)
[23:26] <paultag> lfaraone: might have to either bump to 3 up or ask for that package to get removed :(
[23:26] <paultag> lfaraone: +1
[23:27] <lfaraone> merde. it was published 21 minutes ago.
[23:27] <lfaraone> too late to get it removed now. <_<;
[23:27] <paultag> lfaraone: at least now you get to yell at the MOTU who did it :)
[23:28] <lfaraone> oooh, he's @canonical.com.
[23:28] <paultag> lfaraone: :D
[23:28] <Ampelbein> lfaraone: pithos?
[23:28] <lfaraone> Ampelbein: yep.
[23:28] <broder> lfaraone: there are other options than uploading a -3. you could upload a -2, and then we could merge it as -2ubuntu2
[23:28] <Ampelbein> lfaraone: I asked in #ubuntu-desktop
[23:28] <broder> (or the always excellent -2ubuntu1reallyjust2)
[23:29] <Ampelbein> lfaraone: ken is in there
[23:29] <lfaraone> Ampelbein: there were no changes in -2, other than including changelog entries that were lost in -1, but I was going to roll out a -2 with the patch Ken just uploaded.
[23:29]  * lfaraone joins and waves.


[16:43] <wxl> is the bridge not working again?
 Walter, I'm checking that list. Lots of topics, yes, but where's the FOSS support / advocacy?
 G'morning WOLF!
 Hola Simón! 😉
 G'day!
 @VikingRedwolf What's the ETA on the slideshow? What are we waiting on?
 it's pushed and waiting for approval
 Hi here :-)
 For the record, I see the messages before I was added  so ... :-)
 O.O
 omg, including the porn ones?
 :-p
 so you read about the slideshow too?
 No, not enough history
 anyway, I was saying that I modified the original branch, pushed as a another branch waiting for merge now
[16:50] <wxl> thanks for fixing, it @tsimonq2. how we going to keep it stable?
[16:52] <wxl> i mean even having an alert system letting us know that it's up would be helpful
[16:53] <wxl> if you're going to annoy poor julien with angry selfies, at least he should be getting something out of it :)
 .__.
 Hahahahahaha
[17:00] <wxl> ugh diffs are cut off for me but is this fixed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/1645564
 wxl: Soon
 omg
 Lol
[17:03] <wxl> so annoying that the stupid launchpad diff system doesn't have wordwrap or individual scroll bars for each file
[17:03] <wxl> but yes, i see it's fixed, wherever it may have happened
 of course it's fixed!
[17:03] <wxl> oh i guess i can download the diff
 O__O
[17:04] <wxl> uhh hu sure
 beautifully fixed 😂
[17:04] <wxl> yes you fixed it good :)
 Cyphermox was going to get us a fix, right? ;)
 @VikingRedwolf
 You fixed it ALREADY?
 o___________o
 English? :P
 /me, unemotionally, press ctrl+q
 Oh wait did I trigger wxl?
 .__.
[17:39] <lynorian> oops I think I forget to mark fix commited
[17:39] <lynorian> and in progress
[17:39] <cyphermox> I'm merging the slideshow now
 O.O!!
 OMG
[17:40] <cyphermox> it's not at all your fault, but we'll have to start thinking about getting all the slideshow changes in much sooner for release
[17:40] <cyphermox> I'll try to remember to bug people earlier :)
 Fully agreed, cyphermox
[17:42] <cyphermox> just about 10 days from release is a tad late to be doing this :)
 I know. Sorries :(
[17:42] <cyphermox> like I said, not your fault at all; I understand it needs to be done anyway
[17:43] <cyphermox> better late than a wrong version number in a final release...
 In my defence, i must say it's made a week and a half ago :)
[17:43] <cyphermox> I know I'm bad at merging things in time
 Prevention: not mentioning the version number, but updated apps, links, text and images
[17:44] <wxl> could we make it so that all the slideshows pulled basic information from a set of variables we could define at the beginning of the cycle? i mean if all we need to change is the version number and codename, that's kind of dumb not to automate it.
 It could get version number from the release text chain
 Great to see it's going to be fixed :-) Thanks you all :-)
[18:20] <wxl> thank you, julien. good to have you around :)
 Yay, team work! :)
 Just be prepared, I plan more changes (so more slideshows :-)) for the next release :-)
 O_O
[18:22] <wxl> heh yay :)
 Well, you be prepared too. I plan a slight logo change ;)
 Because of those changes of yours, Julien :)
 So @julienlavergne, what changes? 😉
 don't tell!
 .__.
 Tell us! :P
[19:29] <wxl> @vikingredwolf we should make clicking on a download link pop up a warning about how to deal with isos/usbs. there would be an option to store a cookie to never show it again. too annoying?
[19:29] <meetingology> wxl: Error: "vikingredwolf" is not a valid command.
 LOL
 I still testing them, so be patient :-)
[19:56] <wxl> are these available for others to test? :)
 For 1 change, yes
 I'm looking at this for a replacement for gnome-mplayer :http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/install-gnome-mpv-ubuntu
[19:59] <wxl> OH
[19:59] <wxl> do you know why pulseaudio snuck into last release, julien? i didn't even notice :(
 gnome-mplayer is unmaintained, so we need a replacement
 but it has no controls!
 I think I failed to advertise the add of pulseaudio :-/ sorry about that
 meh, not important 😁
[20:01] <wxl> is that something we're going to keep with? i've been a big advocate of ditching pa
 weren't we running away from gtk thingies?
[20:01] <wxl> mpv has no controls, but gnome-mpv does
 ah, okies
 I wanted to see if the audio support is better with PA, alsa only kind of suck on ubuntu :-/
[20:02] <wxl> i haven't ever heard of this before, but i'm quite interested. doubt it has the "wil-play-anything" behavior vlc does
[20:03] <wxl> i mean there is certainly better support for pulseaudio everywhere but i've seen problems solved by eliminating pa
[20:03] <wxl> and it's not like adding pa replaces alsa. just adds to it
 Tests I done show that the performance are good, near gnome-mplayer performances
 Hey @julienlavergne, I think you switched your first and last names, you might want to fix it. ;)
 (in Telegram)
 *cough* surname *cough* *cpugh*
 .__.
 Well, I don't know where the settings are :-)
 there's a hamburger menu (the three lines)
 Ok find them :-)
 Not really obvious :-/
 the desktop client is weird
 (in my case it's really Franz)
 About PA, I'm open to feedback. I don't like adding it, but if it solved audio big problems, it's better to have it
 Also, I think it's needed for Skype and Firefox at least :-/
[20:10] <lynorian> apt rdepends
[20:10] <lynorian> will tell you everything
 yes
 I just downed a Red Bull :P
 oh oh...
 graphics are failing in my super red laptop
 damn bloody amd!!
[20:18] <wxl> the firefox thing has been reversed in zesty
[20:18] <wxl> and actually afaik only zesty was affected
[20:18] <wxl> so it will work with alsa only
 No no no
[20:18] <wxl> no?
 They have an exception
 It goes in all supported stable releases
[20:19] <wxl> oh well there ya go
 So unless they backported it, it's still an issue
[20:19] <wxl> ohhhhhhh
[20:20] <wxl> ugh
 Great SRU :-)
[20:20] <wxl> well, i guess pulseaudio stays :(
[20:21] <wxl> if it weren't for firefox, we'd have a better case to go back to alsa only
[20:21] <wxl> unless we change browsers
[20:21]  * wxl ducks
[20:22] <wxl> i think we should use a crap browser so that we don't have to fight the browser war for people :)
[20:23] <wxl> like DILLO
 Alternatives for Firefox are ... well .. difficult to find :-)
[20:23] <wxl> there's chromium :/
 Midori crash every time I test it :-/
 Other minimalist browsers have weird rendering on some popular websites
[20:25] <wxl> yeah i mean realistically the only other choice is chromium. or if you listen to rafael, opera :/
 And chromium ... well .. it's quite similar to firefox (for performance, support and rendering)
[20:27] <wxl> yeah but works with alsa only..
[20:27] <acheronuk> otter? not tried that in a while....
[20:27]  * acheronuk runs
 for how long ? :-)
[20:28] <wxl> well yeah
 Also, the switch to PA was mostly for a better audio support in general
[20:29] <wxl> it is what it is :)
 I saw several cases where alsa = no sound at all, and installing PA solve magicly the problem
[22:27] <lynorian> tsimonq2, have you checked the manifest for exfat utils stuff
[22:34] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Not yet
[22:34] <lynorian> that would be one way to see if it is resolved
[22:35] <lynorian> and then a check of an install that the package does get selected and installed
[22:36] <lynorian> tsimonq2, was not installed by default on the 31st of march
[22:36] <tsimonq2> lynorian: But it's fixed?
[22:37] <lynorian> tsimonq2, I do not know yet
[22:37] <lynorian> that is one vm I have from when I installed
[22:38] <tsimonq2> Ok


[22:17] <theshover> howdy y'all, quick question, im setting up 20.04 LTS, and I was wondering if there was a guide on setting up the server to only have IPv4 for the LAN
[22:17] <theshover> I currently have DCHP enabled for time being
[22:21] <kjetilho> such a shame!  but it won't set up IPv6 if you don't want it.  you may want `link-local: []` though.