[00:18] <Bashing-om> daftykins: I joined the channel 15 minutes ago, 3 users ! I had to consider that the world was ending .
[00:55] <wileee> heh, you get an iou in iowa for more than a 600$ lottery win till state budget talks finalize
[00:55] <pauljw> that's priceless...
[00:58] <wileee> circa NBC nightly news
[01:04] <pauljw> later wileee
[01:25] <wileee> later
[01:26] <wileee> and late
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:23] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Quiet on the Western front, maybe too quiet .
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: did you see that guy again with his prime issue?
[03:25] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: No, was curious how that went . Never like leaving some one hanging .
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> yeah me neither, tryed to help the guy out, but he didnt reply anymore and i had to leave myself
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> didnt see him since
[03:27] <Bashing-om> getting CUDA working .. sometimes a challenge . Used to be a real bear back in 12.04 .
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> cuda and prime are such a mess for most users
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-cuda
[03:27] <ubot5`> Package nvidia-cuda does not exist in vivid
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> !find cuda
[03:27] <ubot5`> Found: boinc-nvidia-cuda, libcuda1-331, libcuda1-331-updates, libcudart6.5, nvidia-cuda-dev, nvidia-cuda-doc, nvidia-cuda-gdb, nvidia-cuda-toolkit, python-pycuda-doc, libcuda1-304 (and 5 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=cuda&searchon=names&suite=vivid&section=all
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: is it that toolkit?
[03:29] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Not reasl sure anymore .. used to be nvidia-cuda-toolkit .
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> yeah i think thats the one
[03:31] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Think Nvidia has now gone in a different direction ; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cuda .
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: yeah tnx
[04:02] <Bashing-om> Leaveing it in better hands, will see yall on my flip.
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: nite nite mate
[04:04] <Bashing-om> Later !
[07:23] <OerHeks> ☺
[08:17] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:18] <OerHeks> morning lordievader
[08:19] <lordievader> Hey OerHeks, how are you doing?
[08:20] <OerHeks> i am good, thank you for asking, how is wily going?
[08:21] <lordievader> No idea...
[08:21] <lordievader> Last time I ran it, it was okay.
[08:21] <OerHeks> oh, i thought you were testing it.
[08:22] <lordievader> Well, it is on a test box. But I don't really have a purpose for it. So really testing it becomes somewhat time consuming.
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:14] <OerHeks> daftykins, sorry, i could not resist ..
[15:16] <daftykins> :D
[15:16] <daftykins> i smiled :)
[15:36] <daftykins> does X not start with no display attached o0
[15:38] <OerHeks> daftykins, it is an strange story, as it has a beamer attached
[15:39] <daftykins> i guess it just needs to sit there and record these projector streams and not be visible itself
[15:39] <daftykins> but yeah you would think it could be plugged in and just not be used
[15:40] <cfhowlett> you know, it's very confusing to enter these threads sometimes.  It's located in the little cabin above the beamer?  what the deuce!
[15:40] <daftykins> :D
[15:40] <OerHeks> friday issues .. like some dutch computer sites, friday articles are allways funny
[15:40] <daftykins> my guess is in the university lecture hall there's a bracket with shelves that the projector lives on, suspended from the ceiling
[15:41] <OerHeks> i want to know the exact height, dimension and colour too!
[15:41] <OerHeks> *hips*
[15:42] <daftykins> :)
[15:43] <cfhowlett> beamer = BMW you know ...
[15:44] <OerHeks> ... scotty!
[15:45] <daftykins> cfhowlett: yeah i was thinking that too
[15:45] <daftykins> a little PC recording lecturers attached to a BMW in a lecture hall
[15:45] <daftykins> i imagined a very odd looking room :)
[15:53] <DosTuMai> Woooo. Laptop is fixed. Finally. @_@
[15:54] <DosTuMai> Linux dostumai-Aspire-5315 3.16.0-50-generic #67~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 22:08:53 UTC 2015 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[15:55] <DosTuMai> No issues for me. The bugs been fixed for those with problems?
[15:58] <daftykins> which problems? you're on an old HWE stack there
[15:59] <daftykins> 3.16 is the utopic HWE for trusty, ancient++
[15:59] <daftykins> you should either be on trusty's stock 3.13, vivid's 3.19, or soon enough i'm sure there'll be a wily 4.2
[16:01] <DosTuMai> Yah, just noticed... thought I'd gone through all the upgrades.
[18:55] <DosTuMai> Calorie-propelled vehicles! =D
[18:55] <OerHeks> no parking problems
[18:56] <DosTuMai> Depends on the kind of bike, and the area you're parking in...
[18:56] <DosTuMai> I miss my trail dog. She was awesome.
[18:59] <DosTuMai> FYI: Debian doesn't like disabling search on Gnome.  Or in some circles; the other _other_ white meat.
[19:05] <daftykins> oh yeah we were talking about the bikes before i left, weren't we
[19:05] <daftykins> my brain misfiled that entire convo.
[19:06] <DosTuMai> We were, but now it's moved on to how tasty small children are in a mango sauce.
[19:06] <daftykins> \o/
[19:07] <daftykins> hmm i should do food about now as it goes
[19:08] <DosTuMai> Already eaten, I had mac & cheese with loads of bacon.
[19:11] <OerHeks> Rice and Beans tonight ..
[19:12] <EriC^^> burger king here
[19:12] <DosTuMai> Ick.
[19:12] <EriC^^> yum
[19:12] <EriC^^> :|-
[19:12] <DosTuMai> Rice and beans as in West-Indian rice 'n' pea?
[19:12] <EriC^^> ( homor simpson drool )
[19:14] <OerHeks> Yes, and chicken, sate, and some weird stuff from a jar.
[19:14] <DosTuMai> Wooo, Das Hoff on the radio! *Dances liek a True Survivor.*
[19:14] <DosTuMai> Sounds soooo nice, OerHeks.
[19:15] <OerHeks> But money?no, i got no money
[19:15] <OerHeks> Ship with money should be comming in.
[19:15] <DosTuMai> Don't need much of that stuff.
[19:15] <OerHeks> As long as my dog got his food, i am oke.
[19:16] <DosTuMai> ^_^
[19:17] <EriC^^> happy dog, happy furniture
[19:19] <OerHeks> He leaves my shoes and furniture alone. up to now.
[19:20] <HackerII> http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=220741
[19:23] <DosTuMai> I've got a cat that's obsessed with sleeping on my shoes.
[19:24] <HackerII> is his name boots ?
[19:24] <DosTuMai> No, her name is Olivia.
[19:26] <DosTuMai> Awesome link, HackerII. Reminds me not to move to US.
[19:28] <HackerII> well, the nsa is world wide, dont kid urself
[19:30] <HackerII> and at this point, the tech they have were not privy to is beyong conventional comprehension
[19:31] <EriC^^> of course they have stuff nobody can even dream up yet
[19:31] <EriC^^> in like 20 years it'll be common stuff and public, and they'll have stuff then that nobody can dream up either
[19:32] <DosTuMai> I don't know whether to put that comment down to severe paranoia...
[19:32] <EriC^^> lol
[19:32] <HackerII> yep, ive been building and repairing electronics for 35 yrs, back in 99/2000, we were converting cable boxes, no one believed they had mics in them, till i broke them down and showed them.'
[19:33] <EriC^^> put it down to an acid trip where we came up with the idea that a group of people are controlling the planet
[19:33] <HackerII> truth is stranger than fiction
[19:34] <EriC^^> the internet we're using right now came from the war right?
[19:35] <EriC^^> and so did tv's and whatever, then later became commercial technologies, so it's pretty logical to assume they have stuff that isn't public right now, that will be in the future though
[19:36] <HackerII> germany had tv first, they figured out the 60 cycle effect on the mind
[19:37] <HackerII> aplha data beta waves
[19:38] <EriC^^> anyways it doesn't affect us really if they can decrypt stuff so who cares
[19:38] <DosTuMai> ^That.
[19:38] <EriC^^> it's not surprising though
[19:40] <DosTuMai> Cryptology has advanced exponentially in the last 10 years. That the NSA can crack things easily isn't really news. Most government agencies have experimental, and high-tech equipment.
[19:40] <EriC^^> yeah, lots of money and tech
[19:41] <DosTuMai> Also: Beta waves have no effect on the human brain.
[19:45] <HackerII> http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2014/04/15/5-types-of-brain-waves-frequencies-gamma-beta-alpha-theta-delta/
[19:46] <DosTuMai> [Citation needed]
[19:47] <EriC^^> what is this freshman english? it's on the internet ffs, of course it's true :D
[19:47]  * DosTuMai waddles off to PubMed.
[19:47] <EriC^^> lol j/k
[19:52]  * daftykins wonders if that's medicine delivered via a pub
[19:52] <HackerII> rectally
[19:55] <DosTuMai> It's for public access to peer-reviewed medical journals.
[19:56] <HackerII> the same institutions that educate these people, are owned by the same money people who pring the money
[19:56] <HackerII> get that straight
[19:57] <EriC^^> your sentence makes me think of pringles for some reason
[19:57] <EriC^^> i have no idea why
[19:57] <HackerII> eat my son, eeeaaat
[19:57] <EriC^^> lol
[19:57] <HackerII> lol
[19:58] <HackerII> cannonicle should make tater chips
[19:58] <HackerII> canonacle in a can
[20:00] <DosTuMai> You're typing to someone with Dr. in front of their name, so yah.
[20:00] <HackerII> so, im an engineer whats your point, i have nothing to prove.
[20:02] <EriC^^> what kind of doctor are you DosTuMai ?
[20:02] <HackerII> spin
[20:03] <DosTuMai> Physics. >_>
[20:03] <EriC^^> PhD in physics?
[20:04] <HackerII> sitting on irc ?, huh, im retired, i have an excuse
[20:04] <DosTuMai> Well, it's 2100 where I am.
[20:38] <daftykins> hey i thought you were in Canada o0
[20:39] <DosTuMai> Born there, don't live there.
[20:39] <DosTuMai> Pondering a move to Sweden at the moment.
[20:39] <daftykins> o rly
[20:40] <daftykins> i was all "but that's my timezone!"
[20:40] <DosTuMai> I'm in England, kinda wanting to be out of here because it's falling down the pan.
[20:41] <daftykins> oh no that was long ago :>
[20:41]  * daftykins throws sticks from his island
[20:41] <DosTuMai> Okidoki: falling farther in to the nether regions?
[20:42] <daftykins> i was there just on Monday!
[20:42] <daftykins> :)
[20:58]  * DosTuMai NP: EVE-Radio - Lynyrd Skynyrd - Free Bird - (Rock Anthems [+Digital Booklet])
[21:21] <EriC^^> been having a lot of kernel panics lately with firefox
[21:22] <HackerII> iant had the first one, did u get todys update ?
[21:22] <EriC^^> yeah i saw it haven't updated yet
[21:22] <daftykins> that seems oddly serious for a browser to cause
[21:23] <EriC^^> i used to get them a lot, especially in youtube
[21:23] <EriC^^> they started again recently
[21:23] <OerHeks> lots of hackers with malicious .flv ?
[21:24] <EriC^^> *shrug*
[21:24] <OerHeks> i love those pasting guys
[21:24] <HackerII> does it happen w chrome ?
[21:24]  * DosTuMai sings along to Head Like a Hole -- NIN.
[21:24] <EriC^^> i dont use chrome that often
[21:25] <OerHeks> chrome runs fine, i have no issues at all
[21:25] <HackerII> what about reqonk
[21:25] <EriC^^> i dunno what that is
[21:25] <HackerII> sry rekonq
[21:25] <EriC^^> it's a browser?
[21:26] <HackerII> ya
[21:26] <EriC^^> never used it
[21:26] <EriC^^> !info reqonk
[21:26] <ubot5`> Package reqonk does not exist in vivid
[21:26] <HackerII> its for kde
[21:26] <EriC^^> !info rekonq
[21:26] <ubot5`> rekonq (source: rekonq): KDE web browser based on Webkit. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4.2-0ubuntu2 (vivid), package size 5059 kB, installed size 9023 kB
[21:27] <EriC^^> lightweight?
[21:27] <EriC^^> 9mb
[21:27] <HackerII> i like it
[21:35] <EriC^^> that guy just reminded me of that movie where the 2 models are trying to get the files out of the pc
[21:35] <EriC^^> what's it called? the one with ben stiller
[21:36] <DosTuMai> They're _inside_ the computer!  *Dribbles.*
[21:53] <daftykins> seems i always get stuck down a rabbit hole when i try and deal with someone and xrandr ¬_¬
[22:51] <EriC^^> this is pretty odd
[22:51] <EriC^^> perms are ok in the home dir, .profile and .bashrc are fine, won't login
[22:52] <EriC^^> no .xsession-errors gdm logs dont say much
[22:55] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Maybe (a) proprietary driver did not build for graphics ?  Can we see any errors if he starts the desktop from terminal ?
[22:59] <DosTuMai> Beautiful picture, daftykins. =D
[23:00] <daftykins> ty!
[23:00] <EriC^^> nice pic
[23:01] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fa4aotoq5h9fl3p/hilltop_pano.jpg?dl=0
[23:01] <daftykins> just made a second too
[23:01] <daftykins> east sussex downs are pretty cool
[23:01] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: yeah i just asked him to run startx
[23:01] <OerHeks> nice
[23:02] <EriC^^> http://termbin.com/1gft
[23:02] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: We know what DE he is running .. maybe 'startx' is not a good thing ?
[23:03] <OerHeks> i think that is the cause of his issue ..
[23:03] <EriC^^> he's using gnome, startx is fine might say what's wrong since the logs show nothing, won't harm
[23:07] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: K; as all else has failed, how bot deleteing the config files ? ~/.dmrc , ~/.config/dconf and ~/.config/compiz-1 ? See what happens on the re-boot ??
[23:10] <EriC^^> i think it's a pam issue
[23:10] <EriC^^> hmm thought he meant it asks twice then works fine, i dunno
[23:16] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: I keep look'n over your shoulder. I am sure now of a learning experience.
[23:26] <DosTuMai> Don't people ever think of using google before asking in IRC?
[23:27] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: :)
[23:27] <OerHeks> Bing gives nice results too.
[23:46] <wileee> so boring here I'm upgrading from 15.04 to 15.10 to watch the cli like zippy the pinhead
[23:47] <OerHeks> so against your own advice, you upgrade before release?
[23:47] <OerHeks> :-D
[23:47] <wileee> that was after
[23:47] <OerHeks> my advise: download the iso and put it on usb, before upgrading.
[23:47] <wileee> this time, heh, gotta go with the channel
[23:48] <wileee> I usually fresh install, it's just faster with my older computer, download is fast.
[23:50] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[23:50] <EriC^^> hi pauljw
[23:50] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[23:51] <pauljw> good, you?
[23:51] <EriC^^> good, thanks
[23:51] <pauljw> :)


[03:22] <xu-help93w> xrdp
[03:23] <xu-help93w> how to config it ,xubuntu 20.0
[07:04] <xu-help93w> ???? hello ,,xubuntu 20.04   ,,xrdp
[07:04] <xu-help93w> how to config
[15:07] <xu-help14w> Hello everyone, newbie here. I was look for Xubuntu updates whileI noticed that I don't have the update-manager. How can I reinstall it?
[17:48] <Pepus> Hi, I newy here, I can't access the public folder from a windows computer in the same net. I tried all I found but it is mostly related to Ubuntu, and in Xubuntu it seems to be different. Could you give some advice, please?
[19:09] <Lelouch> Hi


[02:16] <Unguided> Hello all. Just wondering if the mythbuntu uses xfs during the install?
[02:19] <tgm4883> Unguided, no it does not
[02:19] <tgm4883> it uses ext4
[02:19] <Unguided> tgm4883: Thank you. Can I manually set it to use XFS?
[02:20] <tgm4883> Unguided, yes, you can do a manual partitioning
[02:21] <Unguided> tgm4883: Thank you. Can you tell me how performance would be if I put mythbuntu in a virtual machine with storage provided by freenas? Is it a good or bad idea?
[02:23] <tgm4883> Unguided, got to run to the store, back in about 30. I'd prefer not a virtual machine, as you would have the regular performance hit from a VM over a regular bare metal machine
[02:23] <tgm4883> however, other people have done it
[02:23] <tgm4883> as for the storage, my storage is a NFS mount from a  NAS and works great
[02:23] <Unguided> tgm4883: Ok. Thanks for the help
[17:50] <FabriceMG> Mythexport works with 0.26?
[21:20] <qwebirc1508> Hello mythtv world! I'm setting up mythbuntu 12.04.1, and I get to Graphics Drivers section, but I'm not sure what to select... proprietary or open source?
[21:22] <qwebirc1508> would like to select whatever is the most supported, would like to keep issues to a minimum.  Also, not sure what "tv-out" is if I only have dual DVI outputs on the video card (and HDMI, which I'm using as main output)
[21:22] <qwebirc1508> I'd love any advice!
[21:27] <qwebirc1508> BTW I have a GTX 460


[13:52] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[13:56] <paultag> heyya
[14:10] <thafreak> paultag: i remember you raving about nagios a while back...you ever try any of the alternatives?
[14:10] <paultag> thafreak: nope
[14:10] <thafreak> kk
[14:10] <thafreak> i went and migrated a dirt old nagios setup I had to a new box running shinken...and so I became re-familiarized with nagios configs
[14:11] <thafreak> and they're not bad
[14:11] <thafreak> but I want to setup a monitoring box for some one who may be an idiot...
[14:11] <thafreak> so I thought about looking at alternatives, wondered if you saw any you liked
[14:11] <thafreak> question is open to anyone in the room too ;)
[14:12] <paultag> I have no idea, none really looked great to me
[14:15] <thafreak> might try icinga, the nagios fork...maybe they have an easy ui for management...
[14:52] <canthus13> thafreak: I think most of his raving stems from the massive amount of money they dropped on the bar a couple of years ago... :)
[14:52] <canthus13> thafreak: but other than that, Spiceworks is pretty simple.
[14:54]  * canthus13 played with it about 5 or 6 years ago...
[15:03] <thafreak> isn't spiceworks basically the commercialized fork of nagios?
[15:03] <thafreak> will check it out
[15:04] <thafreak> Really considering trying for this other job...double my salary, even just for a few months would probably dig us out of our financial hole
[15:04] <thafreak> so i want to get things set up at work so that a less competant person can handle things
[15:11] <thafreak> paultag: you play with that gitlabhq yet? Like try it out?
[15:12] <paultag> thafreak: no :(
[15:12] <thafreak> was wondering if it does forking...
[15:12] <paultag> gilbert: dude, congrats
[15:12] <paultag> thafreak: Not sure.  :P
[16:01] <paultag> :P
[17:20] <Cheri703> as the resident female: I have a -_- for paultag and canthus13
[17:21] <canthus13> Cheri703: Sorry. :P
[17:22] <Cheri703> mmmhm
[17:22] <paultag> canthus13: yeah, sorry :)
[17:22] <Cheri703> heh
[17:22] <Cheri703> I got my sec+ study guide today :)
[17:27] <canthus13> Cool. :)
[17:27] <Cheri703> yeah, goal is to pass exam by the end of april (or may)
[17:30] <dzho> the -.- is for . . . the salty language?
[17:31] <Cheri703> for the "hur hur, period hur funny" moment they shared
[17:31] <Cheri703> it was a touching moment, but... -_-
[17:31] <Cheri703> ^sarcasm
[17:32] <dzho> oh, a bit too subtle for me to catch on a quick scrollback scan.  Sorry.
[17:32] <Cheri703> no worries
[17:32] <Cheri703> it was more of a "come on guys" than a "zomg an issue!" response from me
[17:32] <Cheri703> they know me :)
[17:33] <dzho> ah, right.  I'm not the whitest knight when it comes to this stuff, but I do try to keep an eye out.
[17:33] <Cheri703> also: salty language should probably be kept to a minimum as (though we don't get a TON of visitors) we do try to be family friendly
[17:33]  * dzho nods
[17:44] <Unit193> We do? I didn't notice. :P
[17:47] <dzho> Unit193: perhaps you weren't around for paultag's little salty-language munger?
[17:47] <dzho> twas quite amusing
[17:47] <paultag> I thought I was pretty tactful with how I put that
[17:47] <Unit193> He does it all the time. :P
[17:48] <paultag> not that I was in the right
[17:48] <paultag> because I was wrong
[17:48] <Unit193> That's alright, I'm in the wrong right now for using uptrack.
[17:49]  * dzho knows someone who is about to go work for them
[17:50] <dzho> there's been a bit of drubbing about the whole going-to-work-for-evil-ubercompany
[17:50] <Unit193> Heh, well it is money, and a little about linux.
[17:50] <dzho> more than a little about linux
[17:51] <dzho> quite a step up from, say, web development work
[17:51] <Unit193> I use uptrack because I don't want to reboot, and figure it's better than nothing at all.
[17:51] <Unit193> Other computer that does reboot uses liquorix.
[17:54] <dzho> http://www.yoper.com/ d'oh
[22:50] <Unit193> BiosElement: You going to setup your quessel core soonish? ;)


[02:27] <doko> jbailey:
[02:27] <doko> Setting up python2.4 (2.4.1-2ubuntu3) ...
[02:27] <doko> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1075: dl_main: Assertion `_rtld_local._dl_rtld_map.l_libname' failed!
[02:27] <doko> seen as well, when building gnat from gcc-4.0 on powerpc
[02:27] <doko> s/powerpc/amd64/
[03:00] <jbailey> Are these both on amd64?
[03:19] <doko> jbailey: yes
[03:19] <doko> you can find the python one in the openoffice.org2 build log
[03:22] <jbailey> I wonder what happened.  There hasn't been a glibc upload recently.
[03:23] <doko> I know, but python was rebuilt using the current gcc-4.0
[03:23] <jbailey> Ugh, so maybe 4.0.1 is causing this now where your pre-snapshot wasn't?
[09:34] <doko> jbailey: binutils FTBFS on unstable powerpc due to the new l-k-h. just in case you do want to have a look ...
[10:54] <jbailey> new lkh?
[10:54] <jbailey> Oh, in unstable.
[10:55] <jbailey> I should try harder to convince gotom to just use my packages for lkh rather than his own. =(
[10:55] <infinity> Try with a bat.
[10:55] <jbailey> Vampire or baseball?
[10:56] <infinity> Also, when do we get glibc 2.3.5 in sid?
[10:57] <jbailey> After binutils builds everywhere.


[02:05] <fusionfuture[m]> Will Kubuntu's Qt get patches from KDE's patch collection?
 The problem with the " dd " command is it is difficult to reformat the pendrive back to the previous state unless you know the technical knowhow and have fiddled with the linux system for quite sometime.
[02:42] <tomreyn> if you mean that you may then need to know how partitioning works, because you wrote to the full disk, deleting the previous partition table, then yes
 try to reformat a pendrive formatted with dd command using STARTUP DISK CREATOR - it does show hitches. Also reformatting back to FAT32 using Partition Manager is also a bit of a nuisance as the formatted portion of the pendrive doesn't show up and the pendrive is detected as a drive hard-drive with less than the usual amount of space it actually possesses
 For example - if using " dd " command on an 8 GB pendrive and 4 GB is used up for burning the ISO - then on reformatting back to original state - the pendrive is shown only as 4GB instead of 8 GB. It takes a bit of a hassle to reformat it back to the original 8 GB state
 This problem is of course for a Novice user on linux
 The " dd " command is a very powerful tool - and hence it should be used with caution
[03:15] <oerheks> use sync after dd
 Been there, done that
[03:18] <oerheks> the image does not include the free space automaticly, there are tools for persistence
[03:18] <oerheks> by design
 I dont think persistence is programmed into the " dd " command per se - I may be wrong on this front
 There was once a GUI for the " dd " command 2 to 3 yrs back
 " guidus
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb
 Is it still under development ?
[03:34] <tomreyn> v1.2 seems to be from this month
[03:34] <tomreyn> though i'm failing to find a source code repository
 Can it be incorporated into the universe ? I don't like to install via ppa - though I will do if I have to...
[03:37] <tomreyn> you'd need to talk to the author on this
 😂😂
 I last saw a note on this when the author had approached the debain group for incorporation - debian denied it citing this https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html
 Sorry - debian
[03:42] <tomreyn> there is https://code.launchpad.net/mkusb - which looks pretty dead
 I think the author gave up on this after the note from debian group
 I had used the program before ( Graphical User Interface for " dd " ) and it was good
[03:48] <tomreyn> these builds are recent https://launchpad.net/~mkusb/+archive/ubuntu/unstable https://launchpad.net/~mkusb/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
 It's easier to reformat the pendrive back to FAT32 state using the guidus tool
 Just be sure which drive the person doing this is doing - don't do on sda - the primary hard drive where the OS is installed
 0A6T
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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[14:45] <BluesKaj> hi telegram users 🙂
[16:17]  * alkisg waves from matrix :D
[20:20] <CountDeMoney> hello all
[20:21] <CountDeMoney> so i dd'd a boot iso to an SD card, tried rebooting my laptop, and get "OS not found" from the BIOS, after which it loads the normal os from hD
[20:21] <CountDeMoney> I want it to boot form the flash stick
 Try this command:
 sudo dd bs=64M if=/path/to/file.iso of=/dev/sdX status=progress oflag=sync && sync
 Someone know, how to change default file manager in 20.04 other than in the settings?
[22:03] <tomreyn> CountDeMoney: many computers actually cannot boot from sd cards
[22:04] <tomreyn> try a usb stick instead
[22:04] <CountDeMoney> ok
[22:04] <CountDeMoney> yeah it is a usb stick, I meant.
[22:05] <CountDeMoney> and it's set in BIOS to boot from USB first
[22:05] <CountDeMoney> it just says 'OS missing' or something liket hat.
[22:05] <CountDeMoney> no os found
[22:08] <valorie> perhaps the OS must actually be installed on the US
[22:08] <valorie> USB
[22:09] <valorie> not just have the ISO
[22:09] <tomreyn> CountDeMoney: okay then it's really a problem with how you wrote the iso t the usb stick, i guess
[22:10] <tomreyn> *to the
[22:13] <CountDeMoney> hmnm okay
[22:14] <CountDeMoney> tomreyn: so the first time, I tried with usb-creator-kde
[22:14] <CountDeMoney> and the second time, I issued simply "dd if=kubuntu-21.10.iso of=/dev/sdb"
[22:16] <tomreyn> CountDeMoney: either should normally if (a) the iso was downloaded properly and not currpt - have you verified this? - and (b) it was then properly written to the usb stick - have you verified this? - and (c) the bios is set (or overriden) to boot from usb
[22:16] <CountDeMoney>  ok
[22:16] <CountDeMoney> (c) is set this way, I verified it.
[22:16] <CountDeMoney> I can check the hash against the one on the web site...
[22:16] <CountDeMoney> brb
[22:16] <tomreyn> for dd it also matters whether you're in the right directory, where the iso file is, and whether sdb is the correct target
[22:18] <CountDeMoney>  I mean i suppose I can see if that deice has partitions
[22:18] <CountDeMoney> device*(
[22:21] <tomreyn> that doesn't mean that it has all the correct data on it
[22:21] <tomreyn> nor that it's bootable
[22:24] <CountDeMoney> ok
[22:25] <CountDeMoney> what if I try with a different usb stick?
[22:40] <tomreyn> CountDeMoney: then your chances of it working are the same. you should read up above again if you forgot what you should do to make this work. summary: verify iso checksum against download server, verify data written to usb stick against iso.
[23:02] <CountDeMoney> ok
[23:03] <CountDeMoney> well does usb-creator-kde do this for me?
[23:03] <CountDeMoney> i.e. can it verify checksum?
[23:04] <CountDeMoney> hsash*
[23:09] <Ecto1> I've been using an old laptop with an AMD Ryzen 5 2500U. I'm having extreme instability with the OS. Disabling C6 did not do much. I often have a completely unresponsive system with black screens with a multi-monitor setup. Does anyone have a solution that they can recommend me?
[23:12] <TJ-> Ecto1: any clues in the kernel log
 21.10 broke the nvidia driver for me.
 ubuntu-drivers devices
 == /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0 ==
 modalias : pci:v000010DEd00001292sv000017AAsd0000502Abc03sc02i00
 vendor   : NVIDIA Corporation
 model    : GK208M [GeForce GT 740M]
[23:17] <Ecto1> The kernel log is quite large. Is there anything specific I should filter for?
[23:29] <Ecto1> As a matter in fact the kernal log is 15,000 lines (0)_(0)
[23:39] <CountDeMoney> Hash: hello, Mr. Omnipresent :)
[23:43] <tomreyn> CountDeMoney: no, it does not
[23:44] <tomreyn> balena etcher can verify the data written, does so by default
[23:44] <TJ-> Ecto1: check since last reboot. "journalctl -k -e" (that restricts to errors)
[23:44] <tomreyn> but it#s a 250 MB download, i think
[23:47] <tomreyn> bauchhaus: some of what you posted was cut off irc because you were muted (on irc, only 1 line shold be pasted at a time, otherwise please use a pastebin service - but i'm aware you posted this on telegram, where other guidelines may apply). anyways, if you're using the default kubuntu kernel on 21.10 the i recommend to file a bug:
[23:47] <tomreyn> !bug | bauchhaus
[23:48] <Ecto1> TJ- https://pastebin.com/rEkZr9Fd
[23:48] <tomreyn> Ecto1: journalctl -b | grep DMI:    will tell your mainboard and bios version
[23:49] <Ecto1> SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD. 550XTA/550XTZ/NP550XTA-K01US, BIOS P05REJ.060.181217.FL 12/17/2018
[23:50] <tomreyn> i bet there#s a newer one to fix these pcie errors
[23:53] <Ecto1> Here are the hardware errors I found from the kernel log https://pastebin.com/0P08yfvd
[23:57] <tomreyn> i was wrong, no bios updates since 2018 from samsung
[23:58] <Ecto1> Here is everything found in the log for amdgpu https://pastebin.com/xs7aCNUN
[23:58] <Ecto1> There seems to be a lot of retry page faults lurking about


[12:44] <cartel_> hi guys
[12:44] <Riddell> hello cartel_
[12:44] <cartel_> hey riddell does breezy have kde 3.5 testing?
[12:45] <Riddell> cartel_: nope
[12:45] <Riddell> feel free to make packages :)
[01:08] <cartel_> bugger :)
[10:02] <JRe> Riddell: it seems that KDE 3.5 will be out about end of october
[11:12] <Riddell> JRe: yeah, too late for breezy unfortunatly
[11:13] <JRe> :(
[11:26] <Riddell> well, I'll make packages :)
[11:28] <JRe> Riddell: cooooooool ;)
[01:34] <Riddell> any breezy users around?
[01:35] <JRe> no
[01:36] <JRe> just a chroot :)
[01:37] <Riddell> wise man
[02:06] <allee> Riddell: yes.  I've breezy on my testing box
[02:06] <Riddell> allee: could you install arts (-0ubuntu3)
[02:07] <Riddell> allee: run  killall artsd && artsd   and see if it works
[02:22] <allee> Riddel: sh*t:  x doesn't start: (EE) No Input driver matching `keyboard'   Is this known bug?  I'll try to fix it
[02:22] <Riddell> sounds about right for breezy, although for me it's the fonts that don't work
[02:31] <Riddell> allee: does artsd run?  (it doesn't need X)
[02:33] <allee> Riddell: yes and I can artsplay KDE_Startup.wav
[02:45] <Riddell> allee: great, thanks
[02:48] <allee> np
[03:10] <allee> fwiw driver s/keyboard/kbd/  fixed xorg.conf
[03:11] <Riddell> allee: what are your font paths set to?
[03:11] <allee> to /usr/share/X11/fonts/<whatever>
[03:44] <Riddell> 3.4.2 out http://dot.kde.org/1122553679
[03:44] <JRe> cool
[04:02] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Are you the maintainer of the amarok packages?
[04:03] <Riddell> KabelKasper: in ubuntu yes
[04:04] <KabelKasper> Hmm, what do you think of hiding the 'delete file' entry in right mouse click menu?
[04:04] <KabelKasper> I think it's very dangerous and unexpected inside an audioplayer.
[04:05] <apokryphos> It's really useful. Qiute liked it -- good integration with KDE. It's not as if it doesn't prompt you to delete...
[04:06] <Riddell> that should be move to wastebin
[04:07] <Riddell> KabelKasper: did you accidently delete something?
[04:07] <KabelKasper> Or it should depend on the option inside kcontrol (for kde)
[04:07] <JRe> KabelKasper: amaroK don't have a KCM hopfully
[04:08] <JRe> KabelKasper: but i agree it would be better to move to the trash
[04:08] <KabelKasper> No not me, not so far. ;)
[04:14] <KabelKasper> There is an option in KControl Menu of the 'File Manger' - 'Behavior'"Show 'delete' context menu entries...".  Would be cool if it depends on this setting.
[04:17] <KabelKasper> Riddell: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ?
[04:17] <Riddell> hmm, maybe.  I still think a "move to wastebin" would be fine
[04:18] <Riddell> KabelKasper: fancy opening a wishlist on bugs.kde.org?
[04:23] <KabelKasper> Riddell: I could add it to the wishlist tomorrow, first I have to learn for an examination.
[04:24] <KabelKasper> ciao
[04:24] <Riddell> good luck
[04:25] <KabelKasper> Thanks. I will need luck :)
[04:26] <JRe> KabelKasper: so good good luck
[07:17] <Riddell> sebas: I'm looking at kdesdk now
[07:54] <sebas> Riddell: What's that? :)
[07:55] <\sh> Riddell: r u getting all kde bugs automatically assign in bugzilla?
[07:55] <\sh> assigned even..
[07:57] <Riddell> \sh: if they go through the kubuntu link on bugzilla they get kubuntu as QA
[07:57] <Riddell> think that's the only automatic assignment currently
[07:57] <\sh> ah ok..
[10:12] <sebas> Riddell: In which package should  libkdeinit_cvsaskpass.so be?
[10:12] <sebas> I still don't have it after updating.
[10:15] <Riddell> sebas: cervisia
[10:25] <sebas> Ah, that didn't upgrade ...
[10:26] <sebas> ii  cervisia       3.4.2-0ubuntu1 a graphical CVS front end for KDE
[10:26] <sebas> I've this one.
[10:27] <Riddell> sebas: the german mirror is probably behind
[10:28] <Riddell> should be 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu2
[10:29] <sebas> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[10:29] <sebas> I'm using this one, is that the german mirror?
[10:29] <Riddell> hmm, no...
[10:30] <Riddell> how did that get there
[10:30] <Riddell> sebas: on hoary it should be 0ubuntu0hoary2
[10:31] <Riddell> sebas: try an apt-get update now
[10:31] <sebas> Yeah, I see it in Packages.gz, it doesn't get updated however.
[10:32] <Riddell> sebas: if you have ubuntu1 installed you'll have to apt-get remove it and then apt-get install again
[10:32] <sebas> Nothing.
[10:33] <sebas> That did it, thx :)
[10:35] <Riddell> those ubuntu1 files are a bit spooky.  ah well gone now
[10:35] <Riddell> thanks for testing sebas
[10:35] <sebas> Thanks for fixing.


[22:39] <mongo2> hi working on submiting a patch for the bash package, but apt-cache showsrc shows http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~doko/+junk/pkg-bash-debian as the bzr path, can someone please verify that it is the correct repo to fork?
[22:40] <tumbleweed> hasn't been touched in years, no I doubt it
[22:40] <tumbleweed> just use the source package (not a repo)
[22:41] <tumbleweed> even better: deal with the bug in debian (if it's present there too)
[22:46] <mongo2> Ya hopping on irc.oftc.net right now, I was just following the tutorial, thanks I will use the src package and try to fix it upstream.
[22:50] <Unit193> Oh wow, that's doko's repo as marked in Debian, not just in Ubuntu. :3
[22:51] <tumbleweed> this is normal for doko packages
[22:58] <mongo2> the "junk" part of the path threw me off.
[23:01] <Unit193> 'personal branch'
[23:05] <mongo2> hrm...the fun of figuring how how to get 'bts claim' to work with a SMTP server that is asking for 2fa...OK thanks for the help.


[17:11] <mup> Bug #1918457 opened: can't deploy image unless all racks have synced the image <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1918457>
[21:08] <mup> Bug #1918481 opened: MAAS doesn't support thin LVM2 partitioning. <lvm2> <partitioning> <redhat> <thin> <virtualization> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1918481>
[21:23] <mup> Bug #1918481 changed: MAAS doesn't support thin LVM2 partitioning. <lvm2> <partitioning> <redhat> <thin> <virtualization> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1918481>
[21:29] <mup> Bug #1918481 opened: MAAS doesn't support thin LVM2 partitioning. <lvm2> <partitioning> <redhat> <thin> <virtualization> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1918481>
[22:20] <mup> Bug #1918490 opened: Deploy failure involving curtin and a temporary directory  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1918490>
[22:23] <mup> Bug #1918490 changed: Deploy failure involving curtin and a temporary directory  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1918490>
[22:32] <mup> Bug #1918490 opened: Deploy failure involving curtin and a temporary directory  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1918490>
[23:20] <mup> Bug #1918559 opened: Upgrading from bionic to focal removes maas-cli and 'maas' wrapper script but does not provide a Focal replacement <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1918559>


[04:34] <mup> Bug #1707562 opened: [2.2] no way to specify testing_scripts on machine creation <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707562>
[04:34] <mup> Bug #1707563 opened: [2.2] no API document on /api/2.0/machines/{system_id}/ op=test <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707563>
[11:07] <mup> Bug #1707625 opened: [2.3a1] MAAS crashes updating ntp conf <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707625>
[11:13] <mup> Bug #1707625 changed: [2.3a1] MAAS crashes updating ntp conf <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707625>
[11:16] <mup> Bug #1707625 opened: [2.3a1] MAAS crashes updating ntp conf <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707625>
[16:11] <mup> Bug #1707674 opened: [2.3.0~alpha1, Subnet details] In subnet details, for managed allocation the interface wording is "Active" instead of "Enabled" <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707674>
[16:17] <mup> Bug #1707675 opened: [2.3.0~alpha1, Subnet details] Description is right aligned on the screen instead of left aligned <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707675>
[16:26] <mup> Bug #1707675 changed: [2.3.0~alpha1, Subnet details] Description is right aligned on the screen instead of left aligned <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707675>
[16:41] <mup> Bug #1707675 opened: [2.3.0~alpha1, Subnet details] Description is right aligned on the screen instead of left aligned <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707675>
[17:09] <plars> has anyone ever seen a situation where maas sets the interface back to unconfigured after starting an install?
[17:10] <plars> In our lab, we have a dhcp already that we need to use, so normally I set things to fabric1/DHCP and maas seems ok with that
[17:11] <plars> However there's another subnet for a different team that we can route to just fine, and it actually uses the same dhcp server. We have that as fabric0, and there is a subnet defined for it also. When I set up this system I configured the interface on it to fabric0/dhcp instead.
[17:11] <plars> when I tell it to deploy, I see it get the ip address, and our dhcp points it to the maas server for pxe so it starts the install. But something strange happens - if I watch the config screen for network interfaces, I see it revert to fabric1/unconfigured
[17:12] <plars> it finishes the install, sets it to local boot, and restarts the system, but of course when it comes back up it just has that unconfigured network interface
[17:13] <plars> I didn't see anything suspicious in the logs telling me why it was unconfiguring the network interface I configured already
[17:13] <plars> and clearly it was working well enough that it started the install


[00:00] <slangasek> that's interesting, now why would gnome-screensaver be segfaulting on unlock when the disk is full...
[00:01] <cathya> hi
[00:01] <cathya> is it possible to get ubuntu working on my mac?
[00:01] <cathya> does ubuntu still have ppc support?
[00:03] <jdong> cathya: #ubuntu is for support, please
[00:03] <cathya> im there
[00:03] <cathya> and its a bloody spam
[00:03] <cathya> im in  ubuntu power pc as well
[00:03] <cathya> it's pretty dead in there
[00:03] <jdong> I'm sorry to hear that, but this channel is for development of Ubuntu and developers need it to coordinate the alpha 5 release. It is not for support
[00:04] <cathya> tyo get your question noticed, i have to literally flood the channel else it's a bunhc of garb i keep getting responses from
[00:04] <cathya> i just need to know if it'll work on my mac
[00:04] <cathya> since i did hear some months ago that ubuntu stopped work on ppc
[00:04] <jdong> there is still a ppc port of Ubuntu, but I wouldn't be able to tell you whether or not it works on your mac's hardware completely
[00:05] <pkh> cathya, you asked the qn in ubuntu, someone immediately answered you with a two line answer and a link to the community port site.  what more were you looking for?
[00:06] <cathya> ok jdong
[00:06] <cathya> thanks, that'll do
[00:07] <cathya> pkh: the two line was some community development as reference and some random user telling me bluntly NO
[00:07] <jdong> what you heard is that Ubuntu no longer offers ppc as an officially supported platform, though the community has continued to maintain it :)
[00:07] <cathya> while clearly it does have some form of support as jdong stated
[00:07] <cathya> ah ok
[00:08] <cathya> thanks
[00:10] <stgraber> slangasek: it's taking a bit longer than expected. it's currently generating the LTSP chroot, then will compress it and finish the install
[00:10] <slangasek> stgraber: ok; I'll still be here when you're done :)
[00:35] <stgraber> slangasek: ok, installation completed. LTSP seems to work (I haven't tested with a client but nbd and tftp work) and I successfully installed edubuntu-desktop, inkscape, kalzium and kvoctrain from the Add-on CD
[00:35]  * slangasek pushes the plunger
[00:36] <stgraber> I basically only saw one bug with this install and it's far from an critical one :) (bug 193902)
[00:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193902 in firefox-3.0 "[Hardy alpha5] Firefox launcher is broken (on the top menu)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193902
[00:36] <stgraber> probably the best alpha so far (at least for this computer)
[00:38] <slangasek> cool
[00:52] <okaratas> hello
[00:52] <slangasek> okaratas: hi
[00:52] <okaratas> slangasek, hi, how are you ?
[00:52] <slangasek> well enough, and you?
[00:52] <okaratas> i am fine, thanks.
[00:52] <okaratas> i am a sleep, sorry :)
[00:58] <okaratas> [reed], hello
[00:58] <[reed]> "Alpha 5 includes several new features that are ready for large-scale testing.  Please refer to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha5 for information on changes in Ubuntu" <-- except I get Access denied for that URL :)
[00:58] <[reed]> hi, okaratas.
[00:59] <okaratas> hmm
[00:59] <okaratas> You are not authorized to access this page.
[00:59] <okaratas> what is the ubuntu web site problem ?
[00:59] <slangasek> [reed]: yes, the URL won't be live for another half hour or so; sorry, I ought to have held the mail until it was published
[01:00] <slangasek> the ISOs themselves are available
[01:42] <ffm> are packages still accepted for universe for hardy?
[01:44] <pochu> ffm: if you can convince the motu-release team to grant an exception, yes (for new packages, that is)
[01:45] <ffm> pochu: we're on the front page of http://launchpad.net .
[01:45] <ffm> pochu: GASP.
[01:47] <ffm> never mind, we'll try with intrepid.
[01:52] <ScottK2> lamont: You said to remind you about requesting Postfix 2.5.1 sync.  I'll take care of it.
[02:02] <ScottK2> lamont: Postfix 2.5.1-1 sync requested.
[03:30] <ffm> May I ask if we can introduce new packages in universe in hardy 8.04.1?
[03:32] <persia> ffm: You've asked before.  The same answer applies.  Hardy is in feature-freeze, and it would need an approved exception.
[03:32] <persia> (This is as true for 8.04 as for 8.04.1, although 8.04.1 needs much more justification for the exception)
[03:33] <ffm> persia: ah. Well, what I am working on is undergoing a major rewrite, so I'll submit it to ibex.
[03:34] <persia> ffm: Thanks.  The worry is that it will destabilise something.  Once it gets into the Ibex, it can be backported to 8.04, so it could be available, but not in universe.
[03:34] <ffm> persia: can  beta software be placed into universe?
[03:34] <ffm> persia: it is a _minor_ python package that won't really harm anything.
[03:35] <persia> Yes, if considered of sufficient quality to be release-worthy.  Something getting a major rewrite wouldn't be a good candidate.  Also, the decisions aren't made on IRC (and I'm not one of the decision makers).  You'd need a freeze exception.
[03:36] <ffm> persia: Ok. Thanks,
[04:15] <lamont> ScottK2: rock on.  thanks
[04:15]  * lamont messes with bind9 vs apparmor
[04:26] <lamont> autoheader: warning: missing template: CALL_PTHREAD_SETCONCURRENCY
[04:26]  * lamont hates auto*
[04:34] <lamont> autoheader: Use AC_DEFINE([HAS_PW_CLASS], [], [Description])
[04:34] <lamont> anybody know what that actually means?
[04:44] <Griswold> Hello guys.  :)
[04:44] <Griswold> I am working on implementing stuff for Wine
[04:45] <Griswold> I came across a page about things that Wine could do upstream to help you guys out
[04:45] <Griswold> Let me see if I can find it again
[04:55] <Griswold> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterIntegratedWineSpec
[04:55] <Griswold> ^^ In that page, it says you guys need some type of console configuration.
[04:55] <Griswold> Would a re-implementation of the windows' 'reg' program be enough?
[04:57] <Griswold> Something like:  reg add 'hkcu\Wine\Direct3D' /v UseGLSL /d 'disabled'      be enough?
[04:57] <Griswold> (To disable GLSL and enable ARB shaders, for example)
[05:05] <lamont> jdstrand: was there a reason you re-autotool'ed bind9?
[05:06] <Griswold> YokoZar, ping
[05:06] <YokoZar> Griswold: pong
[05:06] <Griswold> YokoZar, Can you read the above and give me an answer?  :)
[05:08] <YokoZar> Griswold: I think we discussed this before, yes?
[05:08] <Griswold> YokoZar, Perhaps.  I have been busy - can you give a quick summary just to job my memory?
[05:08] <Griswold> *jog
[05:08] <YokoZar> Griswold: my only worry is that the interface to reg might change - or the registry itself.
[05:09] <Griswold> The interface to 'reg' will never change once implemented
[05:09] <Griswold> The interface to the registry itself might, but not reg
[05:10] <YokoZar> Griswold: Though, configuring GLSL is something we probably don't want to do (we're trying to cut down the interface, so accepting Wine's magic default should be best).  Stuff that we'll keep needing to configure no matter how good Wine's defaults are would be stuff like mentioned in the spec - Windows version, whether apps contained in a window or separate (which is similar to managed/unmanaged/desktop)
[05:10] <Griswold> YokoZar, Ok.  :)
[05:10] <Griswold> It was just an example though - quickest key I could think of that I know by heart
[05:11] <YokoZar> Yeah.  Would your reg be able to do the uninstallation stuff?
[05:11] <Griswold> I don't know.  Is uninstallation stuff stored in the registry?
[05:11] <YokoZar> It should be yeah
[05:11] <Griswold> Then yes, once implemented
[05:11] <YokoZar> Windows looks somewhere when you go to add/remove
[05:12] <YokoZar> So that's the other half of the puzzle, to spruce up gnome-app-install.
[05:12] <Griswold> You will be able to query, add, delete, etc. registry keys
[05:13] <Griswold> YokoZar, Ok.  Are you able to write the code for Ubuntu once I get reg written?
[05:13] <Griswold> reg will have a built-in help and you could ask me any questions you want about its interface
[05:14] <YokoZar> Griswold: Some of it.  Gnome-app-install would be someone else's work.  Adding a new applet for wine configuration I may be able to do.  The trick is it's a bit too late to get that stuff in Gnome/Hardy.
[05:14] <Griswold> Ahh, I see
[05:14] <YokoZar> Griswold: Anyway, thank you for taking up this feature request, it's very awesome of you and I'll help however I can.
[05:14] <Griswold> Ok, awesome.  :)
[05:14] <Griswold> I did some talking in the past few days to see what is the best route for Wine
[05:14] <YokoZar> Griswold: It's quite plausible that it can still be done though, especially stuff that would be part of Wine (rather than part of Gnome)
[05:15] <Griswold> Yeah
[05:15] <YokoZar> For instance Wine's configuration applet could be a part of Wine package.
[05:15] <YokoZar> So the uninstallation stuff would come later.
[05:15] <Griswold> Hmm.. you could make a wine-ubuntu-config or something package
[05:15] <Griswold> (I don't know the exact naming scheme, obviously)
[05:17] <YokoZar> Wouldn't really matter if it were a dependency.
[05:18] <Griswold> Yeah.  :)
[05:41] <ScottK> lamont: You've got mail....
[05:44]  * jdong locally backports mono 1.2.6 just to see what blows up :D
[05:46]  * ScottK still thinks of mono as the disease that wiped him out of an entire semester in college.
[05:48] <Griswold> YokoZar, Hmm... Just thought up something else for you to think about
[05:48] <Griswold> Some users expect a sort of GUI for Wine where you can browse for a .exe and run it, etc.
[05:48] <Griswold> Maybe a little dialog box pop-up explaining how to use Wine might be useful.  (When you install it for the first time)
[05:48] <lamont> ScottK: yeah... /usr/lib/sasl2 is (uh) wrong - it'll be nice of them to change it.
[05:49] <lamont> as for whether we should move from /etc/postfix/sasl to /etc/sasl, dunno..
[05:49] <ScottK2> Well that part they don't seem to want to change
[05:49] <lamont> I'll worry about it when someone files a bug against postfix. :-)
[05:49] <ScottK2> lamont: It's a hard question.
[05:50] <ScottK2> If we did manage the move, it'd be one less Debian unique piece of config documentation to keep track of.
[05:50] <lamont> postfix grew the hooks and config directory specifically because the sasl package is wrong.
[05:50] <lamont> config files do not live in /usr
[05:50] <lamont> ever.
[05:50] <ScottK2> So if we can live in /etc/sasl2 are we happy?  Is that somehow better?
[05:50] <ScottK2> Agreed.
[05:50] <lamont> I don't mind living in /etc/sasl2
[05:51] <lamont> we just set the path to be $PATH:/etc/sasl2:/etc/postfix/sasl :)
[05:51] <lamont> then document the order of finding things
[05:51] <ScottK2> So something along the lines of sure, go for it, we might even move over there at some point.
[05:51] <lamont> yeah
[05:51] <lamont> that's my thinking, anyway
[05:52] <ScottK2> I just finished scripting maintainer scripts for a conffile move in one of my Debian packages, so I have some idea how much fun that is.
[05:53] <ScottK2> And if it breaks something we'll just get pitti to fix it anyway ...
[05:53] <ScottK2> ;-)
[05:54] <emgent> hehehe
[05:55] <lamont> yeah
[05:55] <emgent> pitti++
[05:56] <lamont> ScottK: heh... actually, postfix doesn't actually deliver anything in /etc/postfix/sasl. :)
[05:56] <lamont> win!
[06:00] <ScottK2> Hmmm.  Do I put smtpd.conf in there by hand each time?
[06:00] <ScottK2> I guess I must.
[06:09]  * Hobbsee waves
[06:09] <ScottK2> Heya Hobbsee
[06:09] <Hobbsee> world blown up yet?
[06:10] <emgent> heya Hobbsee :)
[06:10] <ScottK2> Not so as I've noticed.
[06:10] <lamont> evening Hobbsee
[06:11] <Hobbsee> heya lamont
[06:11] <ScottK2> I stormed off in a huff about 14 hours ago about ppaput claiming it's part of the Ubuntu sponsorship process (it's not).  Came back and filed 10 bugs against ubuntu-dev-tools.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> hey emgent
[06:11]  * Fujitsu waners in.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> hah
[06:11]  * Fujitsu kicks his D key.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> oh nice, someone's finally stepped up again about the LP real name policy
[06:11]  * ScottK2 thought it was Australian for something
[06:12] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: What's that?
[06:12] <pwnguin> i think our hardy heron looks a little sickly :)
[06:13] <lamont> ScottK: claiming _what_ was part of the sponsorship process? blowing up the world? or tickling Hobbsee ?
[06:13] <ScottK2> Some script that uses an LP PPA.
[06:13] <lamont> LOL
[06:13] <ScottK2> It's something it's author and I had discussed before and I thought had reached a clear understanding.
[06:14] <ScottK2> My favorite bug was noticing the the AUTHORS file for the package is executable.
[06:14] <lamont> it made less sense when I thought ppaput was an IRC ncik
[06:14] <ScottK2> Ah.
[06:14] <ScottK2> I'd be less annoyed about that
[06:14] <lamont> AUTHORS to be executed at daybreak.  film at 11.
[06:15] <ScottK2> That's about right for some of the stuff in the package.  Some of it's geniunely useful.
[06:15] <ScottK2> Unfortunately they're also improving some of the things to the point beyond utility
[06:15] <Hobbsee> hah
[06:16] <lamont> heh
[06:16] <ScottK2> Stuff like improving requestsync to spawn into an editor, but then asking you if you want to edit the bug before they show you what's in it.
[06:17] <ScottK2> It's almost like they're trying to get hired as LP developers
[06:17] <lamont> ROTFL
[06:17] <lamont> just spawn the &^) editor, already
[06:17] <lamont> and _before_ the mail is signed, eh?
[06:17] <lamont> :-)
[06:17] <ScottK2> Yeah
[06:18] <ScottK2> There was another script in there that was a shebang and a copyright statement
[06:18] <lamont> heh
[06:18] <ScottK2> It appears the script was meant to do the same thing as dget -x withouth having to type the -x
[06:18] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: the policy which *requires* all lp-beta users to have their real name set.
[06:19] <ScottK2> Ah.
[06:19] <Hobbsee> apparently it makes them feel better, or something.
[06:19] <ScottK2> I get annoyed enough with the production quality LP.  I can't imagine wanting to use it when it's less mature.
[06:19] <lamont> ScottK2: maybe it's just that they don't get to work on any other pacakges?
[06:20] <Fujitsu> ScottK2: But using ege means you can see the braineadd features an complain about them before they're release.
[06:20] <ScottK2> Well they're all (I think) motu, so they've got several thousand choices handy.
[06:20] <Fujitsu> An I hate my keyboar.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: heh :)
[06:20] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: at least you can scream faster, and htey tend to listen.
[06:20]  * lamont hands Fujitsu a 'd' key
[06:21] <Fujitsu> lamont: Thanks.
[06:21] <lamont> ScottK2: lp-beta is love
[06:21] <ScottK2> Fujitsu: Sure.  Then I file bugs and they tell me putting two little triangles in the UI fixes all the confusion.
[06:21] <Fujitsu> I'll hopefully be able to get a new keyboar from Dell soon...
[06:21] <Fujitsu> ScottK2: Correct.
[06:21] <lamont> there's also the trick of screaming about something and actually having the fix for a while _before_ it shows up in production
[06:21]  * Hobbsee hands Fujitsu another 'd' key, as the last one appears not to work
[06:21] <Hobbsee> lamont: yeah, exactly
[06:21]  * jdong suggests Fujitsu map unused F12 key to d with xmodmap ;-)
[06:21]  * ScottK2 has been learning the email interface lately
[06:21] <Fujitsu> I note the more braineadd features are those which we can't test on ege.
[06:22] <Fujitsu> Like emailing, Soyuz...
[06:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:22] <ScottK2> Any project that doesn't have a solid testbed is doomed
[06:22] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure that soyuz is an accurate representation of the rest of the project's quality, though
[06:22] <ScottK2> The only exception is if you do a huge amount of up front engineering
[06:23] <Fujitsu> ScottK2: It does have a good testbed, just not with users.
[06:23]  * Fujitsu has removed the mechanism from the d key.
[06:23] <ScottK2> Fujitsu: Ah, so it's a good internal test bed for developers?
[06:23] <lamont> there are certain issues that show up when a product is designed and built by people who never use it, other than in what _they_ believe is the normal use model
[06:24] <Fujitsu> That's why edge is important.
[06:24] <Fujitsu> An why specs shoul be public
[06:24] <Hobbsee> lamont: this is where ScottK2's quote about the LP devs being very happy to show you how you should be using LP comes in, right?
[06:25] <ScottK2> lamont: But they all know exactly how it's going to be used and will be glad to tell us how we're doing it wrong.
[06:25]  * Hobbsee grins
[06:25] <ScottK2> ;-)
[06:25] <lamont> Hobbsee: yep
[06:25]  * lamont is reminded of a discussion on exactly how metacity keyboard focus should work
[06:26]  * ScottK2 suddenly remembers it's late and he has to wash his hair.
[06:27] <lamont> the most memorable comment from _that_ discussion was "Why do you even use gnome?"
[06:27] <Fujitsu> Hahha.
[06:27]  * ScottK2 tends to wonder about that.
[06:28] <lamont> in the end, debian/patches/001_strict_focus.patch was born.
[06:28] <lamont> and then warty released a couple months later
[06:28]  * ScottK2 is also wondering about how long python-kde3 really takes to build.
[06:29] <lamont> ScottK2: 'kde' is in the name... figure a couple hours
[06:29] <lamont> minimum
[06:29] <ScottK2> Yeah, well.  Probably
[06:29] <Fujitsu> ScottK2: Why does it have it's own source package?
[06:29] <ScottK2> Fujitsu: I've no idea.  I don't make this stuff up, I just try to fix it.
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Isn't against KDE policy to have a source package that doesn't build 50 binaries?
[06:29] <lamont> Fujitsu: that's the python implementation of kde, dontcha know
[06:30] <lamont> or was it the kde implementation of python... I forget
[06:30] <ScottK2> Fujitsu: Probably, but that's less interesting the sylpheed-claws/claws-mail that seems to have a strict policy against have two releases with the same number of source packages.
[06:30] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[06:31] <ScottK2> KDE python bindings.
[06:31] <ScottK2> Not kidding
[06:31] <ScottK2> We lost claws-mail-clamav in the last release.
[06:32] <ScottK2> Ironically due to their concerns about freeness of clamav unrar code that Debian removes
[06:33]  * lamont -> bed
[06:33] <Fujitsu> Night lamont.
[06:36] <ScottK2> Fujitsu: Any idea what the [NEW] bit in bug mail is supposed to signify?
[06:37] <Fujitsu> ScottK2: That it's the initial email for a bug.
[06:37] <Fujitsu> Appeared with 1.2.1, IIRC.
[06:38] <ScottK2> Right.
[06:38] <ScottK2> I guess I don't get it.
[06:38] <ScottK2> I thought it was "Hey. This is a new bug."
[06:38] <Fujitsu> It is.
[06:39] <Fujitsu> Or it might be `Hey. This is a new bug task."
[06:39] <ScottK2> No.  It's "Hey.  This is the first time I've spammed you about this bug."
[06:39] <Fujitsu> I'm not sure.
[06:39] <ScottK2> Bug may or may not be new.
[06:39] <ScottK2> I just assigned myself a 5 month old bug and it came in as [NEW]
[06:39] <Fujitsu> You in't create a new task?
[06:40] <Fujitsu> Gaah.
[06:40] <persia> I've only seen it when the bug is new or the bug is newly non-private, or the bug has a new task, or the bug is against a new package/project/milestone, or the bug newness was unintentionally reset.
[06:41] <persia> ScottK: For that, you got the NEW warning because the bugmail you received was the top part.  Just add a comment when assigning to avoid it (and make the bug less new)
[06:41] <ScottK2> No.
[06:41] <ScottK2> Just assigned the bug
[06:41] <Fujitsu> That woul be YALPB.
[06:41] <persia> There were other comments in the bug?  that's a NLPB for me.
[06:42] <Fujitsu> I woul presume that [NEW] woul indicate newness.
[06:42] <Fujitsu> Not newly-notifiedness.
[06:42] <ScottK> Acutally I did include a comment
[06:42] <ScottK> And there were other comments
[06:43] <ScottK> It's Bug 144490
[06:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144490 in python-kde3 "autopkgtest gutsy python-kde3: erroneous package!" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144490
[06:43] <persia> Fujitsu: In my experience, it comes from the bug being "New", which doesn't mean recent.
[06:43] <ScottK> Status is New.
[06:43] <ScottK> I'm not sure why that needs bold blinky subject lines
[06:43] <persia> Status oughtn't define newness for bug notification.  That's a bug.
[06:44] <Fujitsu> persia: I have no replies that are marked [NEW], other than those that are done through the email interface, so it's not marke by Status.
[06:47]  * ScottK2 has already filed his LP bug for the day.
[06:47]  * ScottK2 looks around for an LP developer...
[06:48] <persia> !weekend
[06:48] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[06:49] <pwnguin> its also like midnight or later in the us / euroland
[06:49] <pwnguin> though maybe germany's close to wake up time ;)
[06:49] <pwnguin> does keybuk hit irc much anymore?
[06:55] <ScottK2> Nevermind.  I'll file the bug.  It's even more annoying than I thought.
[06:55] <ScottK2> I get a copy of the entire bug marked new and then another mail with my comment.
[06:55] <Fujitsu> That's what I'd expect, except without the [NEW] bit.
[06:56] <ScottK> I don't need a copy of the ficking bug in my inbox.  I already read it before I assigned it to myself.
[06:56] <warp10> Good morning
[06:57] <persia> ScottK: That behaviour is a workaround for the previous issue that subscribing people after leaving a comment didn't send them an email notification (as I understand it)
[06:58] <ScottK> persia: Not my problem.  It's a bogus design
[06:59] <persia> Sure, just sharing my impression of history hoping it might cause your use case to be better written to avoid being rejected out of hand.
[06:59] <ScottK> Thanks.
[07:17] <ScottK2> I filed the bug.  I managed to mostly contain my sarcasm.
[07:19] <ScottK2> Have a good night/day as your circumstances and timezone permit.
[07:19] <persia> Good night ScottK
[07:20] <ScottK2> Good night persia
[07:20] <Fujitsu> Night ScottK2.
[07:46] <toresbe> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-02/msg02140.html what!
[07:48] <Griswold> Heh
[07:49] <ion_> Yeah, he switched to Vim.
[07:49] <toresbe> finally took to his senses, huh!
[07:49] <toresbe> I guess this is one of those "where were you when ..." things
[10:16] <Chipzz> who is (coming to|at) FOSDEM? :)
[12:10] <rohan> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/190677 --> in this bug report, what does LUM stand for?
[12:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190677 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "Backport acer-wmi to hardy 2.6.24 kernel" [Low,Fix committed]
[12:10] <persia> rohan: linux-ubuntu-modules
[12:11] <persia> rohan: Also, #ubuntu-bugs is generally the best place to ask about bugs.
[12:11] <rohan> persia: i'm sorry!
[13:15] <afflux> pitti: could you have a look at bug 193533? It looks like the var/run/PolicyKit stuff in policykit's postinst script should be handled in policykit.init as var/run/PolicyKit is created first in the init script
[13:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193533 in policykit "mkdir /var/run/PolicyKit" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193533
[14:59] <jeromeg> ScottK: hello, are you available ?
[15:29] <ScottK2> jeromeg: I'm here
[15:30] <jeromeg> ScottK2: what did you decied for the brasero backport ?
[15:31] <ScottK2> I didn't yet (I agreed about backporters for the maintainer)
[15:31]  * ScottK2 looks for the bug.
[15:33] <jeromeg> ScottK2: ok, I think this is really an important backport
[15:34] <jeromeg> unofficial repos are being created in a lot of places
[15:34] <ScottK2> OK.  What's the impact of the dropped dependencies?
[15:34] <jeromeg> ScottK2: none
[15:35] <jeromeg> it just removes a feature that is not in gutsy
[15:35] <jeromeg> (it was added for hardy)
[15:36] <ScottK2> K
[15:36] <jeromeg> ScottK2: i'm also working on a backport for pidgin
[15:36] <jeromeg> which has even more unofficial buggy packages
[15:36] <ScottK2> jeromeg: I'm unlikely to touch that one without a lot of backing from jdong.
[15:37] <jeromeg> ScottK2: yep, yep I know it's a tough thing, that's why I set up a ppa to have some feedback
[15:37] <jeromeg> i'm testing all plugins at the moment, quite boring :)
[15:38] <ScottK2> Fair enough
[15:43] <ScottK2> jeromeg: Where do I find usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/uploaders.mk?
[15:43] <jeromeg> ScottK2: why do you need this ?
[15:44] <ScottK2> Because the source package won't build for me for the lack of it.
[15:44] <jeromeg> weird
[15:44] <jeromeg> in Gutsy ?
[15:44] <ScottK2> Yes
[15:44] <jeromeg> I'll have a look
[15:45] <jeromeg> you have gnome-pkg-tools installed right ?
[15:46] <ScottK2> No.
[15:46]  * ScottK2 neither uses nor develops for Gnome.
[15:47] <jeromeg> ScottK2: this is during build or during debuild ?
[15:47] <ScottK2> Building the source backage.  That's probably what I need.
[15:47] <ScottK2> Yep.  That was it.
[15:47] <jeromeg> yep you need to install gnome-pkg-tools
[15:47] <jeromeg> great
[15:55] <jeromeg> ScottK2: works ?
[15:58] <ScottK2> jeromeg: Your patch applied, the source package built and I'm doing a test build now.
[15:58] <jeromeg> ScottK2: thank you very much
[16:07] <ScottK2> jeromeg: For the future, use gutsy-backports as the target in debian/changelog, not gutsy.
[16:07] <jeromeg> ScottK2: oh yep, sorry for that
[16:09] <ScottK2> jeromeg: Uploaded.
[16:10] <jeromeg> ScottK2: great !
[16:10] <jeromeg> thank you so much !
[16:10] <ScottK2> Now we need to wait for an archive admin to publish it.
[16:10] <jeromeg> ok
[16:10] <jeromeg> ScottK2: the pidgin backport seems to work pretty well
[16:10] <jeromeg> only one plugin remaining to test
[16:11] <jeromeg> took me 1h and a half...
[16:11] <ScottK2> jeromeg: Convince jdong first.
[16:11] <jeromeg> ScottK2: yep :)
[16:11] <ScottK2> jeromeg: You should have gotten a waiting for approval mail on brasero (I think)
[16:12] <jeromeg> ScottK2: not yet
[16:17] <ScottK> jeromeg: Maybe just the uploader gets that one.  I'm not sure.  I got it, so it's confirmed the upload made it.
[16:18] <jeromeg> thank you very much
[16:51] <cheddarcheeseisy> is JFS supported?
[16:52] <mjg59> Supported in what way?
[16:53] <mjg59> I don't believe you can install to JFS with the standard installer, but the alternate will do it. The kernel certainly has support.
[16:53] <cheddarcheeseisy> get bugfixes and all that in ubuntu
[16:53] <mjg59> It's in the kernel, so yes
[16:53] <cheddarcheeseisy> ok
[20:02] <andrea-bs> Could somebody tell me which is the difference between MOTU and Ubuntu Developer, please?
[20:03] <Keybuk> Ubuntu Developer includes core developers
[20:03] <Keybuk> Ubuntu Developer := ( MOTU + Ubuntu Core Developer )
[20:05] <andrea-bs> Keybuk: thanks, but on Launchpad I see that MOTU is a member of ubuntu-dev
[20:06] <Keybuk> exactly
[20:06] <Keybuk> that isn't inconsistent with what I said :-)
[20:06] <andrea-bs> oh, yeah
[20:06] <andrea-bs> I read too quickly, sorry :D
[20:07] <andrea-bs> thanks
[21:34] <slangasek> har, no one commented on the fact that my feature freeze announcement linked to the gutsy list of blueprints
[21:40] <Keybuk> slangasek: everyone's already running intrepid ;)
[21:41] <slangasek> ah, good. :)
[21:46] <Kopfgeldjaeger> btw, are we running intrepid or ibex?
[21:47] <Keybuk> Kopfgeldjaeger: we use the adjective
[21:49] <Kopfgeldjaeger> yeah, i know... but intrepid.. OK
[21:49] <Keybuk> it's a secret plot to get everyone to just call it "8.10"
[21:50] <siretart> does 'intrepid' sound strange to native speakers as well?
[21:56] <j1mc> Keybuk: "it's a secret plot . . ."  hehe
[21:57] <Fujitsu> siretart: I think it's slightly less strange than the rest of the adjectives that have been use.
[21:59] <slangasek> siretart: no, why should it sound strange?
[22:53] <Amaranth> siretart: it's better than hoary
[23:57] <Kopfgeldjaeger> n8