[08:39] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3650 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog): Handle transitioning away from plymouth in ubiquity-dm.
[11:24] <CIA-6> grub-installer: cjwatson * r831 no-device-map/ (debian/changelog grub-installer):
[11:24] <CIA-6> grub-installer: Use grub-probe to convert device names rather than relying on
[11:24] <CIA-6> grub-installer: device.map.
[11:36] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3651 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[11:36] <CIA-6> ubiquity: * Use new URL format introduced by the latest ubiquity-slideshow.
[11:36] <CIA-6> ubiquity: * Support RTL text in the Kubuntu slideshow.
[11:44] <CIA-6> grub-installer: cjwatson * r832 no-device-map/ (debian/changelog grub-installer): Only add removable devices to device.map if using GRUB Legacy.
[12:35] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3652 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py):
[12:35] <CIA-6> ubiquity: Bring the KDE frontend slideshow handling into line with GTK
[12:35] <CIA-6> ubiquity: frontend.
[12:48] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3653 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.10
[12:54] <ogra> cjwatson, i assume you do a d-i upload to fix the unifont.bgf issue, could you bump the imx51 kernel version with that upload as well ?
[12:54] <cjwatson> er what?
[12:54] <cjwatson> what unifont.bgf issue?
[12:54] <ogra> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37711810/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.debian-installer_20081029ubuntu78_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:55] <cjwatson> oh you mean the installation-locale bug. I already uploaded installation-locale and was just going to give-back d-i.
[12:55] <cjwatson> hadn't got round to that yet though
[12:55] <ogra> oh
[12:55] <cjwatson> I'll do that first, and then do armel kernel bumps after that
[12:55] <ogra> thanks :)
[12:55] <ogra> i dont think dove needs bumping
[12:56]  * ogra checks -changes
[12:56] <ogra> no, there was no upload
[12:59] <CIA-6> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1227 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel/imx51.cfg debian/changelog): Move iMX51 images to 2.6.31-602 kernels.
[15:43] <ara> ev, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/506475
[15:47] <ev> ara: can you please attach the logs from that install attempt?
[16:26] <ara> ev, sure
[16:27] <ev> thanks
[16:27] <ara> ev, I have uploaded them now
[16:58] <davmor2> ev: is that you evan?
[16:58] <ev> yes
[16:59] <davmor2> ev: on usb-creator does it support netboot iso's?
[17:00] <ev> assuming the netboot isos don't depend on symlinks, it should.
[17:06] <davmor2> ev: does u-c have a debug mode? so we can see why it fails and if it is the iso at fault?
[17:07] <ev> davmor2: it keeps a log in ~/.usbcreator.log
[17:07] <ev> davmor2: what exactly is the problem you're having?
[17:08] <davmor2> ev: I'm not yet, I'm going to try it in a second.  the issue is being had by komputes on the testing channel.
[17:08] <davmor2> he is just saying that it is failing
[17:10] <davmor2> ev: I've just asked him to add the log to his bug report 506441
[17:21] <davmor2> ev: thanks
[17:22] <michaelforrest1> cjwatson: I hesitate to ask, but did you get a chance to look at that installer mockup I did at the end of last year?
[17:23] <cjwatson> michaelforrest1: not at all I'm afraid, I've been absolutely buried in a contract project
[17:23] <cjwatson> money and all that
[17:24] <ev> michaelforrest1: for what it's worth, I've been giving it a read over and adding some thoughts in the form of notes to a copy I made of it.  However, I've been consumed by trying to catch up with our burndown chart since the holiday and have not finished yet.
[17:32] <michaelforrest1> ev that's good to hear
[17:33] <michaelforrest1> ev: I did see in the doc history that you'd added comments but couldn't seem to find them in the actual document — will look again no
[17:33] <michaelforrest1> *now
[17:33] <ev> michaelforrest1: oh, I accidentally saved the original without actually making any changes.  My comments are in a copy of the document that I'll paste back in just as soon as I'm done.
[17:34] <michaelforrest1> ev: you don't want to just edit the document directly? :)
[17:37] <ev> michaelforrest: sure, will do
[19:50] <davmor2> cjwatson: is the fact that you can't delete partitions in manual partitioning in ubiq known at all?
[19:50] <cjwatson> I don't know, sorry
[19:50] <davmor2> cjwatson: no probs :)
[20:14] <CIA-6> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1228 ubuntu/ (build/config/amd64.cfg debian/changelog):
[20:14] <CIA-6> debian-installer: Use mklibs-copy on amd64. I'm not quite sure what's wrong here, and it
[20:14] <CIA-6> debian-installer: needs further investigation.
[20:14] <CIA-6> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1229 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu79
[22:08] <superm1> ev, i forget, what was the reason to expose both the full device and each of it's partitions in usb-creator (eg /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1)?
[22:09] <ev> superm1: so we can support disk images, and because some usb disks come with a vfat filesystem written directly to the disk
[22:09] <ev> the UI could use a fair amount of love there
[22:10] <ev> it really shouldn't say "you need to format this device" when it's entirely unnecessary
[22:10] <superm1> do any of the *buntus that are generated still come in disk image format though?  i thought they were all .iso now
[22:10] <superm1> but i guess you can argue you'd want to support older releases too
[22:12] <ev> superm1: the mobile team wanted it
[22:12] <ev> I've asked as recent as this past UDS, if memory serves, and davidm still wanted it
[22:13] <superm1> Hm.  Well maybe would if be sufficient then to filter /dev/sdb itself if you currently have an iso format image selected?
[22:14] <superm1> or if you detect that it's one of these full filesystem devices, don't offer the individual partitions
[22:21] <ev> it used to have code similar to that
[22:21]  * ev briefly ponders
[22:24] <ev> expanding on what you're saying, how about the frontend doesn't show any device that's not a partition when an ISO is selected, unless that device is a filesystem directly on a disk (which I believe dk-disks marks as a 'loop' partition table format).  Though actually, this doesn't handle the case of a device that needs to be formatted.
[22:30] <ev> any time there's a new possible target or the source selection changes, if the source is an iso, set the list of targets to all the vfat partitions and vfat filesystems on disk.  If a parent device has no vfat partitions in this scenario, show it as needing to be formatted.
[22:30] <ev> I think I need a pen and paper and some time
[22:31] <superm1> yeah that sounds good
[22:32] <superm1> what was the other thing I was thinking... Oh yeah, so in doing that, you can probably also ditch the /dev/sdb1 etc nomenclature and just show the "pretty" name of the device
[22:34] <ev> yeah, I absolutely want to do that
[22:35] <ev> superm1: by the way, thanks for the bug fixes and attention to usb-creator
[22:36] <ev> I very much appreciate it
[22:36] <ev> gotta run


[02:08] <SergioMeneses> hi all
[15:43] <akgraner> informit just published my article on Ubuntu Community: LoCo Communities Explained - thought I'd share it with the channel  - http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1739163
[16:51] <mhall119> akgraner: I shared it in #ubuntu-website too
[17:15] <akgraner> mhall119, thanks
[20:34] <bkerensa> paultag: You around?
[20:54] <paultag> kinouchou: hey sure
[20:54] <paultag> Opps
[20:55] <paultag> sorry kinouchou
[20:55] <paultag> I guess bkerensa parted
[20:55] <kinouchou> no problem paultag
[20:56] <paultag> kinouchou: how are you, hope you're well :)
[20:56] <paultag> while i've got you :)
[20:57] <kinouchou> I'm fine paultag
[20:57] <kinouchou> and you?
[20:57] <paultag> kinouchou: well, thanks for asking :) -- How's things in France?
[20:58] <kinouchou> too warm for me but it's ok
[20:58] <paultag> I know the feeling :)
[23:13] <chilicuil> hi there, does anyone here is also joining the ubuntu global jam?, I'm currently trying to get into the action, and currently I've talked with my ubuntu local team (ubuntu-mx), we already have the place, and we'd like to make it as best as we can, we're planning translating, fixing bugs (basic bugs), triaging, as well as having tables for general support, I'd just like to ear advices, this will be our first ugj!, how many strings do u


[13:35] <billythekido> hi guys. I'm on Ubuntu 17.10 and I see that the majority of gnome programs are already available in Snap format. I was considering replacing the apt versions with snaps. Would you advise against that?
[13:36] <billythekido> also can anyone share thoughts about the policy of Ubuntu on 18.04 concerning snaps? In a fresh install, will the snap version of the gnome programs be installed by default or the apt versions of the tools will be preferred? I know it is speculative at the moment, just asking for thoughts
[13:58] <billythekido> no thoughts?
[14:44] <Faults> I'm no pro, but depends bit on app. Most of the Apps don't include theming so your Apps looks like Windows NT 4.0
[14:46] <Faults> I truely like the Snap (and Flatpak), but you might encounter regression... Or in some cases you will gain benefit.
[14:47] <Faults> Example if you prefer to have latest and greatest Apps, but you prefer using super stable distro like Ubuntu LTS, Mint or Debian.
[14:49] <billythekido> good points. the truth is during weekends I gamble the stability of my box by experimenting with experimental features. so far it has not bit me :P
[14:50] <billythekido> I see that canonical is pushing forward with snaps, providing almost the majority of default programs in that version. it is completely unclear though whether they will go with them as "default" apps in 18.04
[14:51] <billythekido> as far as I know there is no posts on the net clarifying the topic. I spotted a couple saying that they plan to cover all the default snap apps but no explicit input on whether they will be used by default
[15:37] <mup> Bug #1736006 opened: Replace deb with snappy version <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1736006>
[17:30] <mcphail> Hi. What's the policy on adding shareware to the snap store? Too dodgy?
[20:03] <m4sk1n_> hi
[20:08] <m4sk1n_> I'm trying to add i18n support for snapcraft
[20:18] <m4sk1n_> marked strings, added build_i18n to setup.py, but can't get to make it using .mo files


 Varsities are shut though, so have had an unexpected week's holiday
[11:38] <Kilos> be good guys, i go sleep now
[11:38] <Kilos> see ya tomorrow
[16:35] <FusionSparc> Evening guys, need some insight on apache hosting
[17:30] <squish102> did i read that right? superfly moving to USA?
[17:36] <superfly> squish102: correct
[17:39] <squish102> Cool, superfly, what part? i'm in the south (north carolina)
[17:39] <squish102> actually in the news at the moment
[17:40] <squish102> feel right at "home" with some riots in the city Charlotte
[17:48] <superfly> squish102: AZ
[17:52] <squish102> nice and warm :)


[19:10] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:10] <ibeardslee> a layer of slightly grainy slush was gathering on my windscreen as I drove to the bus.
[19:11] <ibeardslee> I bet hads will be feeling the chill!
[22:48] <hads> ibeardslee: Just got back from .au where it was 20 degrees so yes I certainly am! Was -6 overnight.
[23:03] <chilts> Guest82160: I see you got mentioned here ... http://blog.golang.org/open-source - very impressive! :)
[23:03] <chilts> and what's up with your nick!
[23:04] <chilts> are you at GopherCon by chance?
[23:13] <Guest82160> freenode being a pain
[23:14] <mwhudson> right better
[23:14] <mwhudson> chilts: yeah, i saw that :)
[23:14] <mwhudson> and no, i'm not at gophercon, other family travel precluded it
[23:22] <chilts> still, sounds like you're doing great work
[23:23] <chilts> I have been tettering on the edge of Go for a long time, I think it's finally time to do a real project in it (apart from the one I half started last year)
[23:23] <mwhudson> yeah, it's been fun
[23:23] <mwhudson> although right now i'm busy finding bugs in the arm linker, oh well
[23:23] <chilts> teettering? teetering? I have no idea how many ts, rs or es are in that word
[23:24] <mwhudson> 2e 1t i think?
[23:24] <chilts> heh, sounds awesome - I saw your link to the github issue wondering how much stuff is in your head
[23:24] <chilts> more hailstones
[23:52] <ibeardslee> in his head?


[04:46] <brianthelion> I'd love some eyes on my bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nfs-utils/+bug/794112
[04:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 794112 in ubuntu (and 2 other projects) "Kerberos + LDAP + NFSv4 on Natty - Unable to recover unattended client (affects: 1) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,New]
[08:28] <benonsoftware> Question: I know wht to do when to truage bugs but I can not select it in the menu.
[09:34] <benonsoftware> Question: I know wht to do when to truage bugs but I can not select it in the menu
[09:36] <jibel> benonsoftware, members of bugcontrol are allowed to do this. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[09:38] <benonsoftware> jibel, On the wiki it says for no 5 to sign up Please list five or more bug reports which you have triaged and include an explanation of your decisions. How do we triage if we are not on the bug control group?
[09:41] <jibel> benonsoftware, 'you have triaged' doesn't necessarily mean set to triaged. Changing the status to confirmed or any other status with a clear explanation of why is triaging as well.
[09:42] <benonsoftware> Oh sorry. It doesn't really make sence on the wiki
[09:47] <jibel> benonsoftware, no worries, that is not the first time someone ask about it, so the wiki needs to explain the difference between 'triaged' - the status - and 'triaging' - the activity -
[10:29] <benonsoftware> Any one have any bugs that needs fixing besides #1? :)
[10:34] <benonsoftware> Any bugs regarding Ubuntu
[10:55] <benonsoftware> Any one have any bugs that needs fixing besides #1? :)
[10:55] <benonsoftware> ?
[11:01] <benonsoftware> Any one have any bugs that needs fixing besides #1? :)
[11:04] <jtaylor> pick one: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[11:06] <benonsoftware> There are too many Wich one to choose?
[11:18] <lifeless> benonsoftware: please don't change the status of old closed bugs
[11:18] <benonsoftware> I won't
[11:19] <lifeless> benonsoftware: thank you. I mentioned that because you had.
[11:19] <benonsoftware> Sorry but what one?
[11:21] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/100000
[11:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 100000 in launchpad "There are still too many bug reports (affects: 2) (heat: 17)" [Undecided,Opinion]
[11:22] <benonsoftware> Ahh sorry. :(
[13:25] <jibel> pedro_, Is there a catch all package for gnome for bugs like bug 799537 ? I think it's more a feature than a bug.
[13:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 799537 in gnome-common (Ubuntu) "Mouse pointer dissapearing, and reappears on mouse move (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799537
[13:26] <seb128> jibel, no, not selecting a source is what you should do when you don't know where the bug should go
[13:27] <seb128> jibel, well "you" being the submitter
[13:27] <seb128> jibel, there is "unclutter" which does what the title describe for example
[13:28] <seb128> jibel, the behaviour in i.e gedit is because gtk text widgets hide the cursous on key press to avoid distraction when typing
[13:28] <seb128> jibel, it's a gtk feature
[13:30] <cyphermox> bdmurray: ping?
[13:31] <jibel> seb128, and a nice feature, but the other part of the report is odd "It also happens when a program like update manager, or even the bug reporter is working, it dissapears even if it is not in the programs window"
[13:32] <seb128> jibel, well, could be that the user installed "unclutter"
[13:32] <seb128> jibel, which is a service hidding the cursor after some seconds
[13:32] <seb128> jibel, otherwise dunno, but seems rather an xorg issue than a GNOME one
[13:48] <hggdh> seb128: I am starting to think bug 795737 is resolved, I have had no lightDM crashes so far (and salut :-)
[13:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 795737 in evergreen "search scoped to OU can be slower in staff client than OPAC (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/795737
[13:49] <hggdh> ugh, worng bug
[13:49] <hggdh> * applications fail gracefully
[13:49] <hggdh> * applications fail gracefully
[13:49]  * hggdh gives up
[13:49] <seb128> hey hggdh, ok, feel free to close it then ;-)
[13:49] <seb128> the new version might have fixed some issues
[13:50] <hggdh> yes
[13:50] <hggdh> will close
[13:50] <seb128> thanks
[13:50] <pedro_> lol at bug 799708
[13:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 799708 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "greek philosopher on screen (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799708
[13:52] <seb128> hey pedro_, lol indeed! :-)
[13:52] <pedro_> salut seb128 :-)
[13:52] <pedro_> what a great imagination to compare the trash icon with Pythagoras haha
[14:25] <cyphermox> bdmurray: I think I found out what was wrong with your wireless; I updated the bug.
[15:25] <bdmurray> cyphermox: that line was there but removing it did not fix the issue
[15:26] <bdmurray> cyphermox: additionally fwiw I went into edit connections in nm-applet - deleted the one for javelin7 and added it again and auth-alg was added
[15:26] <cyphermox> oh.
[15:26] <cyphermox> I just did try it too but I don't get that option added
[15:28] <brianthelion> Who likes complicated security scenarios?
[15:28] <brianthelion> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nfs-utils/+bug/794112
[15:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 794112 in ubuntu (and 2 other projects) "Kerberos + LDAP + NFSv4 on Natty - Unable to recover unattended client (affects: 1) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,New]
[15:29] <cyphermox> bdmurray: is it wpa, wpa2, wep, or wpa enterprise?
[15:29] <bdmurray> cyphermox: wpa2
[15:30] <cyphermox> k.
[15:39] <jtaylor> can someone check this bug and reopen it: bug 563060
[15:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 563060 in zope.interface (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "pkg_resources.require() throws a DistributionNotFound exception if python-setuptools is not installed (affects: 4) (heat: 26)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563060
[15:39] <jtaylor> instructions in last comment
[15:39] <brendand> pretty bad security bug
[15:39] <brendand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/800172
[15:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 800172 in xorg (Suse) (and 3 other projects) "Application keylogger vulunerability in Xserver (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[15:40] <brendand> how do you set it as one (reporter hasn't)
[15:48] <bdmurray> cyphermox: what reads the systems-connections?  http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfigurationSpecification seems to indicate auth-alg should maybe be shared
[15:50] <cyphermox> there's code in NM that reads it... and yeah, I see it should probably correctly be "OPEN", but ignored... and it clearly isn't in your case
[15:50] <cyphermox> (it's also old documentation)
[15:50] <bdmurray> brendand: click the 'this report is public' thingy top right
[15:52] <cyphermox> bdmurray: could you attach your file from system-connections after blanking the password?
[16:00] <bdmurray> cyphermox: added
[16:22] <cyphermox> bdmurray: thx
[16:22] <cyphermox> bdmurray: indeed even if I add it here it's not reacting differently; it just works fine
[16:25] <bdmurray> would setting up a connection in /etc/network/interfaces exercise the stack differently?
[16:25] <cyphermox> bdmurray: I was about to suggest
[16:25] <cyphermox> I see it was already set up before
[16:25] <cyphermox> it will at least clarify it's not an issue with NM, and more likely with wpasupplicant or the driver
[16:26] <cyphermox> you'll want to uncomment the stuff in /e/n/i then sudo restart network-manager to make sure the interface isn't managed
[16:32] <bdmurray> cyphermox: and I just need wpa-ssid and wpa-psk in /e/n/i ?
[16:32] <cyphermox> yes I think that's sufficient
[16:32] <bdmurray> okay I get the same error message then
[19:52] <bil21al> can any body tell me what is compiz what is this is this a branch or else??
[19:58] <Pici> bil21al: I'm not sure I understand your question.
[19:59] <bil21al> pici; ok i have lots of  question cn i ask u
[19:59] <bil21al> ?
[19:59] <Pici> bil21al: Just ask here, if someone knows the answer, they will respond.
[20:00] <bil21al> when should we change the status of bug to confirm to triage? what was the bug situation??can any body  help me in this case?
[20:09] <bil21al> no one knows its ok
[20:09] <micahg> !patience | bil21al
[20:09] <ubot4> bil21al: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/
[20:10] <ansgar> bil21al: You might be looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[20:11] <bil21al> ansgar: thank you
[20:11] <bil21al> bro
[21:50] <bdrung> kamusin: thanks for making vlc bugs public.
[21:52] <kamusin> bdrung, heh there are tons of them in other applications


[14:17] <TopGear> Are there any 12.04.5 torrent files for Lubuntu? Because I can only find 12.04...
[14:29] <TopGear> Never mind, Lubuntu 12.04 wasn't an LTS.
[16:16] <holstein> TopGear: there will be mini iso's for the ubuntu 12.04 base
[17:31] <honestemu> What is the latest firefox version for lubuntu? I seem to be on 30, but I think the latest might be 36. How do I upgrade firefox through the package manager?
[17:32] <holstein> !info firefox
[17:34] <gebjgd> honestemu, 35.0.1
[17:34] <gebjgd> honestemu, 14.04
[17:36] <honestemu> How do I update firefox through the package manager? The normal way of clicking About Firefox doesn't seem to be working.
[17:37] <gebjgd> honestemu, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:38] <honestemu> Hmm...0 upgraded...
[17:40] <ianorlin> honestemu, which version of lubuntu?
[17:44] <honestemu> 13.10
[17:45] <honestemu> I guess I should upgrade to 14.04?
[17:46] <gebjgd> honestemu, yes
[17:46] <gebjgd> honestemu, better to stick with lts version
[17:51] <honestemu> Thanks, guys.
[18:06] <yezariael> hey people! I am carrying a lubuntu 14x86 install disc to a pc with no internet connection. will I be able to play mp3s? aka is 'libavcodec-extra-53' on the disc?
[18:08] <annabel_> Why not take the .deb with you just incase yezariael?
[18:09] <yezariael> cause that will force me to burn another disc ;)
[18:09] <yezariael> ok, will do. anyway, how can I find out which packages are packed on the installer cd?
[18:09] <annabel_> i don't know sorry
[18:56] <gebjgd> there is still people using cd disc to install os?
[18:56] <gebjgd> incredible
[19:03] <Mr_Comet> cd is the easiest way to burn and install due to booting setup
[19:03] <Mr_Comet> iso burning is standard.
[19:03] <Mr_Comet> usb burning isnt a standard i think
[19:05] <genii> All the images are now hybrid so you can just dd it to a usb stick and off you go
[19:09] <elfy> anyone in here part of your QA efforts?
[19:13] <ianorlin> yes elfy?
[19:14] <elfy> hi - you doing release notes for vivid beta 1? if so are they going to live at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta1/Lubuntu ?
[19:15] <ianorlin> I am not sure on that
[19:15] <elfy> I want to announce the release - last piece of the puzzle is this, can't get hold of wxl
[19:15] <elfy> mmm
[19:15] <elfy> I'll give him till 19:30 then :)
[19:16] <elfy> and gilir doesn't appear to be anywhere atm
[19:31] <elfy> ianorlin: thanks - had to announce without that :(
[20:16] <honestemu> Do any of you use a quick launcher?
[20:16] <honestemu> Like GNOME.do
[20:16] <honestemu> Or synapse?
[20:17] <honestemu> If so, which?
[20:20] <ianorlin> You can use dmenu_run
[20:21] <MrAsk> I'm loking for pdf reader which would allow me to fill form in pdf document.
[20:21] <ianorlin> which is int the package suckless-tools
[20:24] <gebjgd> honestemu, gmrun
[20:24] <gebjgd> MrAsk, acrobat reader
[20:25] <gebjgd> MrAsk, from adobe. see debian wiki acrobat reader


[00:44] <daftykins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FKvQDZ3IWw
[00:44] <daftykins> O_O
[05:07] <mapps> quiet here last night
[08:48] <foobarry> shh
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:45] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[12:08] <mapps> ;]
[12:27] <dogmatic69_> popey: Got the 3700 router, but they sent a v4 :/
[12:28] <dogmatic69_> does not work with open wrt
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: .. yet :)
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: which brand? TP-Link or Netgear? Both have 3700 models..
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> or "both have models with 3700 in the name"
[13:14] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: netgear
[13:15] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: just installed dd-wrt which worked out the box
[13:15] <dogmatic69_> I think open wrt is better thought from what I read, more like a mini nix distro
[13:15] <dogmatic69_> one up side, the v4 has 128mb of space
[13:15] <dogmatic69_> or ram
[13:18] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: any idea how I can setup virgin media -> ddwrt -> [pc's]
[13:18] <dogmatic69_> will the internet just work like that?
[13:18] <dogmatic69_> vm is 192.168.0.x and ddwrt is 192.168.1.x
[13:19] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: Yeh that should work
[13:19] <dogmatic69_> cool, will try quick. brb
[13:19] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: The other way is you can put the VM box into modem-mode so that your ddwrt sees the external IP (I suspect that might break the wireless on the VM box though)
[13:30] <popey> dogmatic69: yes
[13:30] <popey> dogmatic69: thats how I have mine setup. virgin media super hub is setup in modem only mode
[13:30] <popey> and the dd-wrt is the dhcp server
[13:31] <popey> dogmatic69: i wouldn't do what you've done, with double nat, that will likely cause more issues
[13:31] <dogmatic69_> \o/
[13:31] <popey> ☻
[13:32] <dogmatic69_> penguin42: seems it works :D
[13:32] <popey> dogmatic69_: can you see what I said above?
[13:32] <dogmatic69_> now to figure out open wrt
[13:32] <dogmatic69_> nope, missed it
[13:32] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6732456/
[13:32] <dogmatic69_> saw about the vm in modem mode. not worried about its wifi anymore
[13:33] <popey> yeah, i wouldnt use the wifi on the superhub, its terrible
[13:33] <dogmatic69_> ok, will switch that to modem mode
[13:33] <dogmatic69_> the super hub is terrible :P
[13:34] <dogmatic69_> worst lock down ever, could not even assign reserved ip's
[13:35] <ujjain2> I am looking for a job in London, seems 90% of all jobs and everybody who calls me is from a recruitment agency :-(
[13:38] <popey> whats wrong with using an agency?
[13:42] <penguin42> popey: They're often pretty hopeless at figuring out what jobs to offer you
[13:43] <popey> some are, some aren't
[13:43] <penguin42> nod
[13:44] <penguin42> dogmatic69: I was fighting a problem with a SIP phone my employer had given me and it basically ended up with 'oh..you're on UK virgin media ....' and discussion about probably needing to put it into modem mode
[13:44] <penguin42> (which I've not done yet)
[13:44] <popey> yeah. i had to do that for my cisco sip phone to work
[13:45] <penguin42> popey: This is one of the polycom ones, it works sometimes but otherwise it sometimes gets a 403 Forbidden back from what is apparently the SIP proxy, but the admins say they never even saw it
[13:47] <penguin42> popey: In modem mode what happens to the wifi? Is it possible to get it to bridge the wifi onto the ether ?
[13:49] <penguin42> anyway, time to pop out
[13:49] <shauno> that sounds logical but is near impossible to setup.  if your wifi went right to the ether in modem mode, each client would be receiving an address from the isp
[13:50] <popey> in modem mode the wifi on superhub is off
[14:06] <ujjain2> i hate also toleo, often you spend so much time
[14:07] <ujjain2> I just got blocked for 1 time writing wrong password arg
[14:09] <ujjain2> made a duplicate account, even lost password didn´t work
[14:36] <Wobbo> How to let my ext4 usable in windows, i never used windows so i have no idea how to get it work
[14:38] <Wobbo> Damm windows, why doesnt open source like ext doesn't work... lol Oh, what its from Microsoft! ? Haha
[15:08] <mapps> anyone else on o2 broadband (bethere)
[15:08] <mapps> seems incredibly slow  atm for me
[15:15] <shauno> well that's going to ruin someone's day; just had a call from a site that 'accidentally' inserted an armored cable into the rear of a 500kW UPS.
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> shauno: boom?
[15:16] <shauno> it sounds like it's actually been surprisingly graceful.  I mean, dead, but gracefully so.  must have been a meaty cable
[15:16] <shauno> smaller cables, screwdrivers etc tend to just evaporate
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> well it was armored
[15:24] <mapps> what does that mean inserted the cab;e into it?
[15:29] <shauno> well, not where it's supposed to go, to put it mildly
[15:33] <DJones> As in sticking your finger into a mains socket
[15:36] <shauno> pretty much, but it sounds like they've hit the DC bar.  so somewhere around 4000 amps at 120V DC?
[15:43] <shauno> oh, and for windows .. I think that's actually doable with ext2fsd.  I'm not sure if it does win8 or ext4 (but I may be out of date on either of those), but it's big-picture possible
[15:53] <ali1234> shauno: do you ever get bored and cook hotdogs on the UPS?
[15:54] <shauno> I'm .. curious how that'd work
[15:55] <ali1234> you get two forks and you wire one to live and one to neutral and then you stick a fork in each end of the hot dog
[15:55] <ali1234> then you turn it on
[15:55] <ali1234> it's important to do the steps int he right order
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> now try that on a European socket ;)
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> 99% of which don't come with on/off switches ;)
[16:00] <Myrtti> ohm sausage
[16:00] <Myrtti> the most dangerous of snacks
[17:14] <daftykins> i went for a ride to one of the island's south coast beaches today, at the bottom of a very steep valley
[17:14] <daftykins> it also has #15 of the many coastal defences on the island
[17:14] <daftykins> in this case to protect the islands from the French in ~1778 due to the ongoing fun with the US establishing itself
[17:15] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zoi1fp0dc6k33id/fermain.mp4
[17:15] <daftykins> here's a wee video of the sea, plus the tower itself
[17:16] <daftykins> you can't see it in the vid but you could see the French coast today
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> cool
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> so that's looking to the east?
[17:27] <daftykins> yep
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> cool!
[17:28] <penguin42> shauno: Yeh, what I'd like would be for the wifi ap and the modem to sit on one ether segment; I'd like the wifi ap to have a local non-routable IP; then the NAT box I set up on that ether could route out of the modem and NAT stuff to the wifi ap
[17:32] <shauno> I'm not sure you'll find that possible.  I'm pretty sure it's either all-in-one mode, or modem mode.  there's no "and a half" between
[17:33] <penguin42> nod
[17:41] <daftykins> sounds like you'd need at least: modem <-> router with 2 NICs <-> WAP on one + LAN on other
[17:49] <shauno> if the wap can bridge, it'd just be modem<->nat<->lan & the wap sits on the lan.  but trying to use the wap out of the modem for that, would require two different routes on that device, and these home units just don't do that
[17:50] <shauno> they're not designed for you, they're designed for my mum
[17:50] <daftykins> XD
[17:50] <penguin42> shauno: Nod
[17:50] <daftykins> shauno: does your splendiferous DNS knowledge extend to the wonders if autodiscover subdomains?
[17:50] <penguin42> shauno: Give me a shell damnit :-)
[17:50] <daftykins> s/if/of/
[17:51] <daftykins> penguin42: are you after segregating wireless and wired?
[17:52] <penguin42> daftykins: ideally, but the two things I need more are 1) To get the external un-nat'd external IP to my own NAT box 2) I'd still like to have a wifi ap downstairs which that box conveniently has
[17:53] <daftykins> ah-har
[17:53] <daftykins> yeah sounds like it'd be too painful to keep
[17:54] <penguin42> daftykins: I'd be happy for my NAT box to do the routing for the wifi
[17:55] <penguin42> anyway, I've come back with two finds from the local Currys clearance store; a 16GB Sandisk SD for 4.95 (whose box looked like it was run over) and a low end DAB radio for #9.99
[17:55] <daftykins> :O
[17:55] <daftykins> hehe, i don't think you can get any DAB over here
[17:56] <daftykins> probably the fault of the French, most things are ;)
[17:56] <penguin42> you're not missing much
[17:56] <daftykins> for example, Channel 5 was never broadcast over here
[17:56] <daftykins> nah :)
[17:57] <penguin42> hmm, Ch.5 has some stuff I watch
[19:12] <diddledan> ok, contentious issue of the day: will the world be a better or worse place when dicky stallman pops his clogs?
[19:13] <daftykins> i'm not even familiar with that name
[19:13] <daftykins> oooh
[19:13] <daftykins> heh, penny drops
[19:13] <daftykins> that's far too rude sir!
[19:13] <diddledan> rude?
[19:13] <daftykins> yep
[19:19] <shauno> stallman's kinda like boiling water.  it's not meant to be consumable, but does define that end of the scale.  as long as there's a scale, someone will be the definition
[19:20] <daftykins> that's a very cunning explanation sir
[19:22] <shauno> the bit that does worry me, is that I used to donate to the FSF, until I got tired of only ever hearing about them when they were trolling
[19:26] <diddledan> I still do donate to the FSF
[19:56] <foobarry> just discovered the second series of the bridge is on
[19:57] <diddledan> really? I still haven't seen the first
[19:57] <foobarry> episode 3....iplayer mad rush to see if ep1, 2 are available
[19:57] <diddledan> is that the british or the original nordic?
[19:57] <foobarry> scandy
[19:57] <diddledan> aah
[19:57] <foobarry> 1st series was epic
[19:58] <diddledan> yeah the scandinavians are getting a really good rep for their crime drama right now
[19:58] <foobarry> cos they can tell a story, unlike american troll tv
[19:58] <foobarry> under the dome was 10 episodes longer than it should be, and they trolled everyone at the "ending"
[19:58] <foobarry> etc etc
[20:02] <Myrtti> I so want to watch the first series of that with the other half, but subtitles :-/
[20:03] <foobarry> he needs finnish subititles?
[20:03] <Myrtti> if that were the problem it would already be solved since my online PVR already has it with the Finnish subtitles
[20:04] <foobarry> i watch most of my programmes with subtitles now because baby noise
[20:04] <Myrtti> but he's a slow reader, bless him, so trying to read the subtitles robs the show from him
[20:05] <Myrtti> I'm slowly introducing him to fantasy and science fiction books I read as a teenager through audiobooks
[20:05] <foobarry> or american films they mumble a lot so if i'm on my own i'll slap them on subtitle
[20:05] <foobarry> is he dyslexic?
[20:05] <Myrtti> had eye movement / head movement ticks when at school
[20:06] <foobarry> mrs foobarry prefers fiction aimed at younger ages for dyslexic reasons, since books require so much more investment for her
[20:07] <foobarry> although she's read the bible start to end quite a few times, in quite hard language versions
[20:07] <foobarry> so her willpower > dyslexia
[20:08]  * penguin42 reads rather slowly as well
[20:08] <foobarry> but she groans when i want to want "another french film"
[20:08]  * penguin42 has probably only bothered with one or two foreign films
[20:08] <Myrtti> yeah, I'd want to show a few Kieslowskis and some Finnish films
[20:09] <foobarry> red > white > blue
[20:09] <foobarry> > dekalog
[20:10]  * penguin42 has just finished reading GEB again - probably do only a few pages a night
[20:10] <diddledan> I'm a slow reader also
[20:10] <penguin42> although some of GEB is hard going
[20:10]  * MartijnVdS is not
[20:10] <foobarry> if i find a fiction book i like, i completely devour it then get sad its finished
[20:11] <Myrtti> GEB
[20:11] <Myrtti> hold on
[20:11] <Myrtti> I should know this
[20:11] <foobarry> great English bakeoff?
[20:11] <penguin42> Myrtti: Godel, Escher, Bach
[20:11] <foobarry> gary eats barry?
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> Gunther Enoch Bobby?
[20:12] <diddledan> I want some of what you're got
[20:12] <diddledan> you've**
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptonomicon
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: there's a minor character (mentioned maybe twice) with those initials :)
[20:13] <foobarry> slow readers may find doctorows books easy going
[20:14] <foobarry> i think they are a bit teenfic though
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> Stephenson's books, not so much (maybe snow crash)
[20:14]  * penguin42 notes that I read the last dialog in GEB on the same night I watched the start of the Matrix again; I'm thinking of doing a comparison of quotes
[20:14]  * penguin42 never does fiction
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> why not?
[20:16] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Well as I say I don't read fast, and I've never found it worth putting the effort in to read fiction; I've probably read 4 or 5 fiction books in my life
[20:16] <penguin42> maybe a few more when I was forced to read at school
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> being forced to read at school made my reading speed go up
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> *a lot*
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> now people complain I read too fast
[20:17] <daftykins> :)
[20:18]  * penguin42 is on the look out for a good Genetics book to read
[20:19] <diddledan> lol, that won't be hard going :-p
[20:20] <penguin42> diddledan: Well I tend to read pop-sci, and I want a pop-sci genetics book that talks about all the neat bits rather than a text book
[20:21] <diddledan> aah gotcha
[20:21] <diddledan> a "fun look" at rather than a "nitty gritty"
[20:21]  * penguin42 is about to re-read 'the language of the genes'
[20:21] <penguin42> diddledan: Well I want the detail of the neat bits :-)
[20:22] <penguin42> diddledan: I mean I occasionally read articles or stuff and come across things like  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holliday_junction    now isn't that neat?
[20:29] <daftykins> wow
[20:34] <diddledan> facebook has over a billion monthly active users
[20:34] <diddledan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Dwek7dZDFN0
[21:38] <Myrtti> oh wow
[21:38] <Myrtti> http://areena.yle.fi/tv/2128356/#/play
[21:39] <penguin42> wow what? says he seeing a popup in a language I don't know
[21:41] <Myrtti> they're transmitting a LAN event finals and also to abroad
[21:42] <diddledan> sounds sweedish?
[21:42] <diddledan> oh, .fi finnish
[21:52] <Myrtti> oh it's even in Tampere
[21:52] <Myrtti> cool
[22:21] <diddledan> oh the trollishness: http://gwan.ch/faq#license
[22:24]  * webpigeon head desks
[23:12] <ali1234> diddledan check this: http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Talk:G-WAN_vs_Nginx
[23:13] <ali1234> all that posted in like 2 days. the author is clearly nuts


[00:01] <wrst> wb binarymutant
[00:30] <chris4585> oh, that sucks
[00:30] <binarymutant> yeah but not really, I'm sure it'll just be around a month or so without it
[00:32] <chris4585> ah, sometimes no internet can be good
[00:34] <binarymutant> its ok to get away for awhile. My rss reader is way too full though :P
[01:30] <chris4585> lol
[13:01] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: have you downloaded the gnomebuntu ?
[15:41] <wrst> wb xTEMPLARx is it really you?
[15:43] <xTEMPLARx> i think so
[15:43]  * xTEMPLARx shakes it off
[15:43] <xTEMPLARx> and to answer your old question (however old it is/was), no i haven't downloaded "the gnomebuntu"
[15:44] <xTEMPLARx> is that like saying "the wal-mart"?
[15:45] <wrst> yes xTEMPLARx i think it is :)
[15:45] <wrst> well don't bother its very "alpha"
[15:46] <wrst> wehn i login i still have a login prompt and the fallback mode at least in a vm and I don't think i'm ready to put that on real metal
[15:46] <xTEMPLARx> I think i'm with you from the standpoint of installing minimal and just installing what you want from there.  lol
[16:22] <netritious> minimal is the new minimal requirement? mornin' locotn (still morning here anyway)
[16:24] <netritious> I'm in favor of minimal + <packagemanager> install <whatyouwant>
[16:25] <netritious> make me wonder, is there a distro that doesn't have a minimal install option in some form or another?
[16:26] <netritious> *makes
[16:26] <netritious> wb jfenn2199
[16:26] <jfenn2199> hey netritious
[16:27] <jfenn2199> how goes?
[16:27] <netritious> all is well. still hoofin' it or did you recover your bike?
[16:27] <jfenn2199> still hoofing it
[16:28] <netritious> sux. I strongly dislike thieves.
[16:29] <netritious> hope you get it back though.
[16:30] <netritious> still learning C jfenn2199?
[16:30] <jfenn2199> off and on always busy around the house
[17:20] <wrst> hey hey netritious, jfenn2199
[17:20] <jfenn2199> how goes wrst
[17:20] <wrst> doing well jfenn2199
[17:20] <jfenn2199> nice nice
[17:21] <wrst> netritious: only distros i've used i suppose all have some option or another
[17:21] <wrst> haven't really thought about it... now i want to start digging trhough all the install media i have... thanks!
[17:34] <netritious> wrst: you're welcome! :) how's it goin' bud
[17:35] <wrst> going good netritious, trying to get awake after the weekend, you?
[17:38] <netritious> wrst: recovering as well...was a loooong weekend but a good one
[17:59] <wrst> yep netritious i was smart enough to get to bed early last night so that helped
[20:34] <xTEMPLARx> jfenn2199: you had a bike stolen?  bah!
[21:14] <vychune> hey hey hey
[21:19] <wrst> howdy vychune
[21:23] <vychune> how you doing?
[21:29] <wrst> good, hometime vychune!
[21:29] <wrst> see you later
[21:29] <vychune> o/
[21:29] <vychune> be safe on the way!


[07:59] <mlankhorst> RAOF: yay, can I kill xmir-thread-proxy then? :P
[08:46] <alf__> duflu: @unfreeze-1, can I see the effect of this branch on the desktop too with full screen glmark2, or only on the phone?
[08:46] <duflu> alf__: Both (or in fact now only desktop since the workaround landed). bypass and overlays both have the same extra buffer requirement
[08:47] <alf__> duflu: thanks
[08:50] <duflu> mlankhorst: I'm a bit rusty on the subject.. do you know how long vblank actually lasts?
[08:50] <duflu> I think it's only a couple millisec at most?
[08:55] <mlankhorst> yeah
[08:55] <mlankhorst> why?
[08:55] <mlankhorst> might be less with reduced blanking
[08:56] <duflu> mlankhorst: Just thinking about optimizations. And thinking I can rule out trying to do all rendering during vblank
[08:57] <duflu> mlankhorst: What's "reduced blanked" used for?
[08:58] <duflu> "reduced blanking"
[08:58] <mlankhorst> less bandwidth requirement since there's no point in sending a blank signal for long on an old crt..
[08:58] <mlankhorst> nobody has a crt any more, it's all digital ;)
[08:58] <duflu> mlankhorst: Oh custom modes, as in Xorg?
[08:58] <mlankhorst> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Video_Timings#Reduced_blanking
[08:59] <mlankhorst> no it's a standard
[09:06] <duflu> mlankhorst: Thanks. I estimate vblank is typically around 1ms then
[09:06] <duflu> Sometimes
[09:06] <duflu> That's useful
[09:07] <duflu> So we must always page flip or be efficient to reprogram CRTCs quickly
[09:09] <mlankhorst> Or use atomic modesetting :P
[09:15] <mlankhorst> will be there in time for final mir release ;-)
[10:12] <duflu> greyback_: WM status: Making another attempt at building default policy into libmirserver this week.
[10:13] <duflu> And about to make an attempt at dinner
[10:13] <greyback_> duflu: ack. I've nothing of consequence to contribute
[10:14] <duflu> greyback_: Sounds positive. :/ OK then, night.
[10:14] <greyback_> enjoy
[10:18] <mlankhorst> why doesn't mir use render nodes when available?
[10:41] <greyback_> alan_g: sorry I got the MRs mixed up, but yeah I was testing https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/qtmir/new-migrate-to-mir-Server-API/+merge/243177 on my laptop and unity8 failed to start with it installed
[10:41] <alan_g> greyback_: ack. I was just looking. BTW please tell me that "// FIXME(gerry) this will go very bad for >1 display buffer" has nothing to do with the problem.
[10:42] <greyback_> alan_g: that refers to qtmir not supporting multi monitor. Not the problem here unfortunately
[10:42] <greyback_> or fortunately..
[10:43] <alan_g> I thought so. But I thought I'd ask as you're here.
[12:04] <mlankhorst> hm weird
[12:05] <mlankhorst> is anyone else running into the nesting limit of mir?
[12:06] <alan_g> I've not tried it recently, but I have had 7 levels of nesting going on an N4 before getting bored
[12:06] <mlankhorst> I'm testing on amd64, fails on the 4th level :P
[12:07] <mlankhorst> http://paste.debian.net/134556/
[12:07] <mlankhorst> last one fails with:
[12:07] <mlankhorst> get chip id failed: -1 [13]
[12:07] <mlankhorst> param: 4, val: 0
[12:07] <mlankhorst> [intel_init_bufmgr:1068] Error initializing buffer manager.
[12:09] <mlankhorst> in interests of simplicity I was debugging with Xmir, none of my breakpoints on the host or first level nesting fire on drmAuthMagic :/
[12:10] <mlankhorst> 3rd level being xmir, fourth being glxgears. those work at least..
[12:10] <mlankhorst> hm I guess I could do hardmode and force xmir to open a new fd for itself, reduces debugging by 1 :)
[12:13] <mlankhorst> yeah, fails slightly faster.. mir_connection_drm_auth_magic is not handled correctly in nested case I guess..
[13:49] <alan_g> greyback: is there a Qt-style approach you'd favour to https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/qtmir/new-migrate-to-mir-Server-API/+merge/243177 -c290
[13:49] <alan_g> (I'm still trying to confirm that the race fixed there is the condition you encountered.)
[14:03] <greyback> alan_g: what you've got there is fine. Like we tend to prefer QMutex to std::mutex and things like that, but it's not essential
[15:10] <attente_> the event time in mir is measured in nanoseconds?
[15:15] <attente_> ok, seems to be the case
[15:16] <Trevinho> attente_: yep, it's mir_event /= 1000000 to get what gdk likes ;)
[15:18] <Trevinho> RAOF: hey, do you have any idea why doing https://github.com/GNOME/gtk/commit/37ad6e11477060c74c2818210583b6fa37b1b027?diff=split (so submitting all the modified quads in a single VBO), breaks things in gdkgl?
[15:18] <attente_> Trevinho: thanks, just saw your change
[15:19] <Trevinho> attente_: maybe adding a #define for that might have been nicer
[15:21] <attente_> Trevinho: yeah, that sounds good
[16:50] <kdub> camako, yeah, the android side its easy to keep the display around... iirc, the mesa side has some complication with VT's
[16:50] <kdub> camako, sorry, hit up+enter from yesterday
[16:50] <camako> :-)
[16:53] <greyback> bschaefer: ping
[16:53] <greyback> oO what have I done
[16:53] <greyback> bschaefer: ping?
[16:54] <bschaefer> greyback, pong
[16:54] <greyback> bschaefer: hey, I want to test your SDL work (to finally review https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/qtmir/correct-xrgb-support/+merge/238937)
[16:54] <bschaefer> greyback, sweet
[16:54] <greyback> bschaefer: do I need to build anything?
[16:55] <greyback> and can you gie me name of a game or 2 I can test
[16:55] <greyback> I would like to see what's needed to have Qt support mir_pixel_format_xrgb_8888 on big endian platforms
[16:55] <bschaefer> greyback, that actually doesn't fix the issue :(
[16:55] <greyback> ah
[16:56] <bschaefer> i tested the fix me self, thought would be nice to get another set of eyes
[16:56] <greyback> bschaefer: but it's something I can help with
[16:56] <bschaefer> greyback, right soo
[16:56] <bschaefer> greyback, a game hmm
[16:57] <bschaefer> greyback, for the phone you'll need a game that actually *fits* the size of the phone
[16:57] <bschaefer> which the only one that actually exists in main is scumvm
[16:57] <bschaefer> greyback, but its easier just to hack the size of the tests the come with the sdl branch
[16:58] <greyback> bschaefer: ok, I'll take the sdl branch. I need a custom branch?
[16:58] <bschaefer> greyback, yeah
[16:58] <bschaefer> Trevinho, what changes did you make to that branch?
[16:58] <bschaefer> or should i just give him my other one :)
[16:59] <Trevinho> bschaefer: ehm, what?
[16:59] <bschaefer> Trevinho, your sdl1.2 branch :)
[16:59] <bschaefer> greyback, mine: lp:~brandontschaefer/+junk/sdl1.2-mir
[16:59] <bschaefer> Trevinho, fixed some memory issues i had in mine IIRC
[17:00] <Trevinho> bschaefer: nice, did you include also the fixes for resolution stuff?
[17:00] <bschaefer> Trevinho, nope, i was wondering if we should just give greyback your branch
[17:00] <bschaefer> as its *more* up-to-date
[17:00] <Trevinho> bschaefer: not sure, as you prefer
[17:00] <bschaefer> greyback, just use mine for now, until i can see what was changed :)
[17:00] <Trevinho> greyback: mine is at https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/+junk/sdl1.2-mir
[17:00] <greyback> ok
[17:00] <bschaefer> greyback, soo what you'll need to do on the phone
[17:01] <Trevinho> greyback: if you get crashes with it (as I had), just use mine :)
[17:01] <bschaefer> ./configure --disable-video-opengl
[17:01] <Trevinho> it's basically the same, but with few fixe
[17:01] <bschaefer> by adding that to debian/rules
[17:01] <bschaefer> greyback, let me double check if i did that already
[17:01] <greyback> bschaefer: why disabling opengl? no gles support?
[17:01] <bschaefer> no i haven't :(
[17:01] <bschaefer> greyback, this is true, are you running on the desktop?
[17:01] <greyback> ok
[17:01] <bschaefer> or the phone?
[17:02] <greyback> I'll be doing both
[17:02] <bschaefer> for the phone you'll need to disable opengl, as SDL1.2 does NOT support gles
[17:02] <bschaefer> and if you include opengl
[17:02] <bschaefer> it thinks its supported on the phone
[17:02] <bschaefer> since the headers exists
[17:02] <bschaefer> (annoying but idk the correct fix for that one)
[17:02] <Trevinho> bschaefer: btw the main thing you should incluide in your branch is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/+junk/sdl1.2-mir/revision/13
[17:03] <Trevinho> as in the desktop it will lead to crashes
[17:03] <bschaefer> Trevinho, ooo yeah
[17:03] <bschaefer> Trevinho, i realized this later when doing glfw but i've not changed that in sdl1.2 :)
[17:03] <bschaefer> thanks!
[17:04] <bschaefer> greyback, but pretty much, let me know when something isn't working :)
[17:04] <bschaefer> and i can help you haha
[17:04] <greyback> bschaefer: will do
[17:04] <Trevinho> bschaefer: np... I've tested with wormux and mplayer and both works well with it...  Although the sdl1.2 fullscreen way seems quite oldish (it basically tries to change the resolution instead that increasing the window size)
[17:04] <bschaefer> good luck!
[17:05] <greyback> I've enough to play with for now
[17:05] <bschaefer> cool
[17:05] <greyback> bschaefer: and sdl2?
[17:05] <bschaefer> greyback, sdl2... i've not seen any color issues
[17:05] <greyback> bschaefer: ok, and it just works?
[17:05] <bschaefer> greyback, but its not using software renderering
[17:06] <bschaefer> it uses opengles on the phone, which might be *why* its working
[17:06] <bschaefer> greyback, i can test that out
[17:06] <bschaefer> greyback, but pretty much yes, SDL2 is a more completed port, and its also upstream :)
[17:06] <greyback> bschaefer: ok. What would you run to test it?
[17:06] <greyback> I just want to know these things so I test qtmir with them
[17:06] <bschaefer> hmm theres no great SDL2 examples, i've a few of my own
[17:07] <bschaefer> but theres tests in sdl2 it self
[17:07] <greyback> ok, those will do nicely
[17:07] <bschaefer> greyback, or this haha: https://github.com/BrandonSchaefer/SDLMazeGenerator
[17:07] <bschaefer> it just generates mazes
[17:07] <bschaefer> in SDL2
[17:07] <greyback> perfect
[17:08] <bschaefer> it looks pretty, but it depends on a backend thingy:
[17:08] <greyback> so I see
[17:08] <bschaefer> https://github.com/BrandonSchaefer/SDLBackend
[17:08] <greyback> no biggie
[17:08] <bschaefer> greyback, pretty simple thing, i was just using that for most of my examples i've floating around
[17:08] <bschaefer> mainly to test SDL2
[17:09] <greyback> bschaefer: great, thanks. If I've problems I'll be in touch :)
[17:10] <bschaefer> greyback, sweet, good luck! (also that MazeGenerator has the WIDTH/HEIGHT hard coded in. at ui/Main.cpp)
[17:10] <greyback> ack
[17:22] <alan_g> greyback: where does the unity8 log go?
[17:23] <greyback> alan_g: ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log
[17:23] <greyback> alan_g: note lp:~alan-griffiths/qtmir/new-migrate-to-mir-Server-API running nicely now, just need to check one thing
[17:26] <alan_g> greyback: interesting (I won't mention it crashes strangely for me...)
[17:26] <greyback> alan_g: does it? Maybe I should test more...
[17:29] <alan_g> greyback: but I'm having trouble running u8 even without my changes - so it may be unrelated.
[17:29] <alan_g> But please do test some more
[17:29] <greyback> will do
[17:36]  * alan_g isn't sure how to test u8 and is prepared to believe greyback's results over his own for now.
[17:54] <alan_g> greyback: false alarm: It is the "refactored" branch that is crashing for me. The new-migrate-to-mir-Server-API branch seems stable.
[17:54]  * alan_g forgot a "push"
[17:55] <alan_g> greyback: BTW is there a way to exit a u8 desktop session? (other than killing it from a VT)
[18:05]  * alan_g starts to dislike qmake
[22:03] <RAOF> Trevinho: Breaks gdkgl in general, or only under Mir?
[23:35] <Trevinho> RAOF: under mir
[23:35] <Trevinho> RAOF: basically I get corrupted textures (well 2d textures), while the gl area is still working fine
[23:36] <Trevinho> by 2d textures I mean the cairo surface that should be drawn through gl, while the opengl view (for example, the classic gl gears) that are embedded works fine
[23:36] <RAOF> There didn't seem to be anything there that would interact directly with anything Mir-specific...
[23:37] <Trevinho> RAOF: exactly... It only just changes the things so that it submit them at once or per each quad
[23:38] <Trevinho> RAOF: but for some reason that change breaks gdkgl in mir... at least in my setup (it would be even more weird if that could be driver specific)


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 aaaaaaa
 @UniversalSuperBox [aaaaaaa], What
 Those all came at once lol
[00:56] <lynorian> didn't push the 19.10 branch is why sorry after backporting minor typo fixes
 If someone pushes more than one commit, yes.
[09:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> Raspberry Pi images will be provided for focal?
 Question, I didn't see in calamares the "Download updates while installing.." and "Install third-party software...." It's just me or they don't exist? How are this options handled?
[12:30] <kc2bez> It doesn't currently exist. We have a task to handle the third party software bit https://phab.lubuntu.me/T68
[12:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] provide a solution for installing third-party/proprietary drivers: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T68
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> It doesn't currently exist. We have a task to handle the third party so …], oo, I thought that was for driver only. And the updates? Are they donwloaded?
[12:34] <kc2bez> No updates are not downloaded. I am not sure if that has been discussed in the past or not.
[12:35] <kc2bez> The license module is needed for both the dirvers and software so they go together.
 I think it's not critical because it can be installed easily after, but it might be a good and easy thing to add.
[12:38] <kc2bez> In ubiquity the download updates thing only downloads them, you still have to install them after first boot but maybe it is something that could be added.
 has anyone proposed including the option to include `open-vm-tools{,-desktop}` during installation if you're in a VMware environment, like the server and Ubuntu Desktop installers do?
 just a thought ;)
 'cause... it still doesn't come with 😜
[19:40] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker re: pi that depends upon https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/ but given we don't have any for 18, prolly not.
[19:42] <wxl> maybe having it documented in the release notes until we fix it would be good (third-party stuff)
[19:45] <wxl> @teward001 what are the other flavors doing?
 not sure
 haven't dug too much, the only headache I hate is being stuck with a 640x480 screen when you use Lubuntu on any VMware env.
 until i drop to a TTY and forcibly install it
 got to install on the Live env too just to be able to use the installer too
[19:46] <wxl> huh


[03:41] <YokoZar> Why is minesweeper pink? Screenshot-Mines.png
[03:42] <YokoZar> http://yokozar.org/Screenshot-Mines.png


[01:58] <hazmat> thumper, how's the proxy support coming? was specifically curious if the charm store downloads (addcharm via api) were using it yet
[01:58] <thumper> hazmat: hey
[01:59] <thumper> ah... wat?
[01:59] <thumper> how would the charm store stuff use proxies?
[01:59] <hazmat> thumper, that's the env downloading charms from the store via proxy
[01:59] <thumper> ah...
[01:59] <thumper> not tested that
[02:00] <hazmat> k
[02:00] <thumper> you know what... not even considered that :-)
[02:00] <thumper> support has been to set the environment for all the charm hooks
[02:01] <thumper> and for juju-run
[02:01] <thumper> but not for juju itself...
[02:03] <thumper> hazmat: ETA would be early next week
[02:09] <hazmat> thumper, cool
[02:51] <waigani> wallyworld: www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTc3PsW5ghQ
[04:45] <davecheney> shit, status is fast!
[08:23] <jamespage> davecheney, still awake?
[08:30] <rogpeppe> TheMue, fwereade: did you see https://codereview.appspot.com/56100043/ ?
[08:38] <TheMue> rogpeppe: just going through your branch
[08:38] <rogpeppe> TheMue: ok
[08:46] <TheMue> rogpeppe: btw, the removed logger package hasn't been by my, it's for watching the logging configuration. I used it first don't knowing the intention, but then moved my stuff into the debugger package.
[08:46] <rogpeppe> TheMue: oh, sorry - they seemed to be related
[08:47] <TheMue> rogpeppe: yeah, had the same wrong thought
[08:47] <TheMue> rogpeppe: fwereade told me then about its intention
[08:48] <rogpeppe> TheMue: so why was logTailer in the debugger package?
[08:48] <TheMue> rogpeppe: because it only is a private helper type for the debugger API
[08:50] <rogpeppe> TheMue: ah, it's kind of weird that "debugger" was separate from "logger", but anyway, i see now
[08:51] <TheMue> rogpeppe: thought so too
[08:55] <TheMue> rogpeppe: some of the changes don't really belong to the logging, don't they?
[08:56] <rogpeppe> TheMue: a couple of changes were forced on me because i couldn't propose without govet passing cleanly
[08:57] <TheMue> rogpeppe: and the code in api/client.go isn't needed anymore
[08:58] <rogpeppe> TheMue: right
[09:01] <TheMue> rogpeppe: so how would a client call that? never worked with with websockets, only implemented direct on IP so far
[09:01] <rogpeppe> TheMue: the same way a client gets a websocket connection to the regular API
[09:01] <rogpeppe> TheMue: (except with a different URL path)
[09:03] <TheMue> rogpeppe: sorry, a bit more practical would be nice, so that I directly can remove my lack of knowledge with you
[09:04] <TheMue> rogpeppe: for the API usage I simply used already existing functionality
[09:04] <rogpeppe> TheMue: ok, so... look at state/api/apiclient.go
[09:05] <TheMue> rogpeppe: yep
[09:05] <rogpeppe> TheMue: the Open function in there makes a new websocket by dialling the API server
[09:06] <TheMue> rogpeppe: ic, ok
[09:07] <rogpeppe> TheMue: the Client.AddLocalCharm method is an example that makes its own http request
[09:08] <rogpeppe> TheMue: so to do the logging stuff, i would factor out some of the logic from Open so it can be reused in another request
[09:08] <TheMue> rogpeppe: hehe, just had the same idea
[09:09] <rogpeppe> TheMue: i wouldn't include any of the retry logic in that
[09:10] <TheMue> rogpeppe: so while the server site gets more simple the client side gets more complex (in the sense of that I've been able to simply reuse API and watcher mechanisms so far)
[09:11] <rogpeppe> TheMue: it shouldn't be much more code at all - most of it just code movement
[09:12] <TheMue> rogpeppe: as long as your sure what to do and this is no new area for you. don't underestimate the learning curve. you're doing all this API and websockets stuff since a longer time.
[09:13] <TheMue> rogpeppe: but gives me the chance to take a deeper look into it too. ;)
[09:13] <rogpeppe> TheMue: i'll sketch out a little more of the client side if you like
[09:14] <TheMue> rogpeppe: only if you've got the room for it, a quick outline. the first hints here already helped a lot
[09:15] <TheMue> rogpeppe: and I need the ok by fwereade
[09:17] <TheMue> rogpeppe: but I like the approach. I only would liked the API able to handle streams of data also by default more
[09:18] <rogpeppe> TheMue: most of our API stuff doesn't work with streams of data, but streams of changing state, which is a different thing
[09:18] <rogpeppe> TheMue: with the latter it's fine to drop intermediate state
[09:18] <TheMue> rogpeppe: I know, but the current way is that every new requirement of streamed data get's an extra way
[09:19] <TheMue> rogpeppe: a more generic implementation once, integrated in the api but different from the watchers today, yes, could then better be reused
[09:19] <rogpeppe> TheMue: you mean another watcher type?
[09:19] <TheMue> rogpeppe: maybe, would have to make more thoughts about it
[09:23] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: something like this for the client side: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6807442/
[09:29] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: is authentication handled with it?
[09:30] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: ah, no, you'll need to set the basic-auth info in the config headers
[09:31] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: could you add it to your branch above, so we can discuss it with fwereade
[09:31] <TheMue> ?
[09:32] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: unfortunately i think that means you'll have to copy the basicAuth function from net/http because it works on a Request not a Header
[09:32] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: ok, will do
[09:35] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: thx
[10:11] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: https://codereview.appspot.com/56100043/diff/40001/state/api/client.go
[10:12] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: already looking
[10:14] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: you know when fwereade is here again?
[10:14] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: no, sorry
[10:16] <fwereade> TheMue, sorry, I have been around, just trying to catch up on some other bits
[10:18] <TheMue> fwereade: ah, ok
[10:18] <TheMue> fwereade: rogers solution looks nice, quite different, but nice
[10:19] <TheMue> fwereade: you should take a look at it
[11:32] <benonsoftware> Hiya, I'm wondering if there's anyway to make juju launch spot instances?
[12:15] <hazmat> benonsoftware, nutshell no. its possible though to use external provisioning with the manual provider and just have juju manage the workload
[12:26] <benonsoftware> hazmat: Ah, okay then. Thanks.
[12:40] <rogpeppe1> would anyone be able to review this, please? https://codereview.appspot.com/54230044/
[12:45] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: taking a look
[12:45] <rogpeppe> TheMue: thanks
[12:46] <rogpeppe> TheMue: we had a discussion about the debug-log stuff, BTW. we're going to talk about it a bit more this afternoon.
[12:46] <TheMue> rogpeppe: great
[13:06] <TheMue> rogpeppe: reviewed
[13:06] <rogpeppe> TheMue: thanks
[13:06] <TheMue> rogpeppe: yw
[13:20] <rogpeppe> dimitern: any chance of a second look at https://codereview.appspot.com/54230044/ please?
[13:20] <dimitern> rogpeppe, looking
[13:20] <rogpeppe> dimitern: ta!
[13:31] <dimitern> rogpeppe, reviewed
[13:31] <rogpeppe> dimitern: ta!
[13:34] <dimitern> niemeyer, hey
[13:34] <niemeyer> dimitern: Yo
[13:35] <dimitern> niemeyer, when you have time, can you please review and possibly comment on the proposed changes we need in goamz (see the mail I've just sent for a link to the document)
[13:37] <niemeyer> dimitern: Definitely
[13:37] <niemeyer> dimitern: Should we have a call next week about it?
[13:37] <fwereade> niemeyer, dimitern, +1, invite me please
[13:37]  * fwereade forgot he has to collect laura, bbl
[13:37] <niemeyer> dimitern: Can you please book it and invite us?
[13:37] <niemeyer> fwereade: Uh oh :)
[13:54] <dimitern> niemeyer, sure and preference for day/time?
[13:55] <niemeyer> dimitern: Wednesday is probably a good day, as it's already filled with meetings
[13:55] <niemeyer> dimitern: 12:30 UTC?
[13:55] <dimitern> niemeyer, will do
[13:58] <dimitern> niemeyer, done - you should receive and invite
[13:58] <niemeyer> dimitern: Thanks
[13:59] <dimitern> fwereade, next wednesday, 12:30 utc
[14:07] <rogpeppe> anyone else see this error occasionally? (this is second time i've seen it today) ... value *net.OpError = &net.OpError{Op:"local error", Net:"", Addr:net.Addr(nil), Err:0x14} ("local error: bad record MAC")
[14:09] <dimitern> rogpeppe, nope
[14:31] <mgz> okay, I'm at the "hey, this should all work, but man I lack tests" stage with the network stuff
[14:42] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i see the replicaset tests fail reasonable often, usually in TestAddRemoveSet
[14:42] <rogpeppe> natefinch: usually with "panic: no reachable servers" (and a very long run time - 167s in this case)
[14:44] <natefinch> rogpeppe: hmm
[14:44] <natefinch> rogpeppe: I think this is just mongo taking forever to come up for some reason
[14:44] <rogpeppe> natefinch: probably
[14:45] <rogpeppe> natefinch: it's a bit worrying though, because maybe it's *never* coming up and perhaps this might make juju HA flaky for real
[14:45] <natefinch> rogpeppe: yeah :(
[15:02] <rogpeppe> natefinch, fwereade: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/am9obi5tZWluZWxAY2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbQ.mf0d8r5pfb44m16v9b2n5i29ig?authuser=1
[15:48] <sinzui> mgz, fwereade, which bug should I be watching to know the rev we want to release as 1.17.1?
[15:53] <mgz> sinzui: sec, I'll attach a couple to the milestone
[15:53] <mgz> bug 1241674 is mine
[15:53] <_mup_> Bug #1241674: juju-core broken with OpenStack Havana for tenants with multiple networks <cts-cloud-review> <openstack-provider> <juju-core:In Progress by gz> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1241674>
[15:54] <frankban> core devs: using trunk (revno 2253) I am not able to deploy a local charm in a lxc env. unit logs: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6808945/, machine logs include permission denied error responses to CharmArchiveURL requests
[15:55] <sinzui> mgz, oh I didn't realise the issue was that specific bug. I thought the issue was something in a recent change to openstack
[15:55] <sinzui> thank you mgz
[16:03] <fwereade> sinzui, mgz's one is the only really important one, I think
[16:04] <mgz> I'm currently done... apart from I've got some tests losing my new config value and can't work out why
[16:06] <rogpeppe> anyone reasonably familiar with worker/provisioner?
[16:06] <rogpeppe> i'm seen a sporadic test failure, and i can't work out quite what a particular test is supposed to be testing
[16:06] <rogpeppe> s/i'm/i've/
[16:09] <fwereade> rogpeppe, which test?
[16:09] <rogpeppe> fwereade: TestProvisioningSafeModeChange
[16:09] <rogpeppe> fwereade: at the end of it, it ensuredead+removes a machine, and expects the provisioner not to remove the instance
[16:09] <rogpeppe> fwereade: that seems kind of odd to me
[16:10] <rogpeppe> fwereade: it seems like it's relying on the fact that the provisioner hasn't seen the new machine
[16:10] <fwereade> rogpeppe, so, the deal is that because the instance got *removed* the provisioner has no basis for taking down the instance
[16:10] <fwereade> rogpeppe, but ISTM that that's a bad tes
[16:11] <fwereade> rogpeppe, the provisioner should be stopped for those terminal actions on m3, m4, else it could plausibly see m4 when dead, and legitimately remove it
[16:11] <rogpeppe> aw, frick, *another* sporadic failure
[16:11] <rogpeppe> fwereade: exactly
[16:11] <rogpeppe> fwereade: and that's how the test failed
[16:12] <fwereade> rogpeppe, if that's what you see too, though, at least it's one we've found and can fix, I think
[16:12] <rogpeppe> fwereade: but if we stop the provisioner, then what are we testing?
[16:12] <fwereade> rogpeppe, ha
[16:12] <fwereade> rogpeppe, that just reduces to TestProvisionerSafeMode, doesn't it?
[16:14] <fwereade> rogpeppe, and there's the advantage of mocking out the api server
[16:14] <rogpeppe> fwereade: ISTM that a better test would actually add an instance behind the scenes
[16:14] <fwereade> rogpeppe, that sounds good to me
[16:14] <fwereade> rogpeppe, I think that's equivalent
[16:15] <mgz> well, I hate our testing infrastructure
[16:15] <rogpeppe> mgz: it could be better :-)
[16:15] <mgz> I have no clue where it's losing the config value, or how I should actually just write a damn test with a different config value
[16:17] <mgz> okay, finally
[16:17] <mgz> randomly try things till it works joy
[16:29] <rogpeppe> mgz: sorry, i would help but i'm up to my eyeballs currently
[16:29] <mgz> okay, I'm done
[16:30] <mgz> proposing now
[16:30] <mgz> meh, need another goose bump but hey
[16:31] <rogpeppe> oh balls, another sporadic failure. that's four in a row
[16:36] <mgz> goose bump... I just realise that was a pun
[16:41] <mgz> part #1: https://codereview.appspot.com/56670043
[16:41] <mgz> I need that one sort of right now, to land so I can bump dependencies.tsv
[16:42] <natefinch> mgz: I can review
[16:42] <mgz> ta! it's a bit of a cop-out proposal for now
[16:42] <mgz> Ill put the main bit up sans the bump too for reference
[16:44] <rogpeppe> hmm, i think it's wrong that the local provider should have added an authorized key to my ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[16:44] <rogpeppe> fwereade: would you agree ?
[16:44] <fwereade> rogpeppe, ha! definitely
[16:44] <fwereade> rogpeppe, well spotted
[16:45] <rogpeppe> fwereade: also, trunk is currently producing zillions of errors when you've got a badly formatted key (for instance the FakeConfig auth keys)
[16:45] <fwereade> rogpeppe, and that's causing sporadic failures in jujud tests
[16:45] <rogpeppe> fwereade: (try running "go test -gocheck.f ManageEnviron'$' -gocheck.vv)
[16:45] <rogpeppe> fwereade: yes
[16:45] <fwereade> rogpeppe, thumper came across that last night
[16:46] <rogpeppe> fwereade: i'm just fixing the fake config to have a valid key
[16:46] <fwereade> rogpeppe, <3
[16:46] <rogpeppe> fwereade: but really the authorized keys worker should not be barfing
[16:46] <rogpeppe> fwereade: in fact, i'll just fix that
[16:46] <fwereade> rogpeppe, mmmm I'mmore inclined to say we should be refusing bad input
[16:46] <rogpeppe> fwereade: mebbe
[16:47] <rogpeppe> fwereade: we should probably parse authorized keys on config.New
[16:47] <mgz> part #2: https://codereview.appspot.com/52710048
[16:47] <mgz> fwereade: ^you probably care about this one
[16:48] <rogpeppe> one more barrier, sigh
[16:52] <rogpeppe> ha, not only did it change my authorized_keys, it replaced it with a file owned by root and globally readable
[16:54] <fwereade> mgz, quickly pre-reviewed, trying to finish rog's
[16:55] <mgz> fwereade: ta
[16:56] <fwereade> rogpeppe, reviewed, almost there, I think there may be a commentor two you missed from the earlier one?
[16:57] <fwereade> rogpeppe, maybe actually there
[16:57] <fwereade> rogpeppe, let me know :)
[16:57] <rogpeppe> fwereade: entirely possible
[16:57] <rogpeppe> fwereade: ok
[16:57] <rogpeppe> fwereade: thanks
[16:57] <rogpeppe> fwereade: it's going to take at least another 30 minutes before i can re-propose though, because now i have two prereqs
[16:58] <rogpeppe> fwereade: ah, i hadn't published my reply
[16:58] <rogpeppe> fwereade: my reply was "
[16:58] <rogpeppe> you're right - i was surprised when this worked.
[16:58] <rogpeppe> it's a bug in Machine.Destroy - it doesn't fail
[16:59] <rogpeppe> when the machine only has JobManageState.
[16:59] <rogpeppe> "
[16:59] <rogpeppe> fwereade: and it's the fallout from fixing that that's taken me two days to get over
[16:59] <rogpeppe> fwereade: so you will see that i've fixed that in the latest version, when i can actually propose it :-\
[17:00] <fwereade> rogpeppe, ha, ok, cool
[17:00] <fwereade> rogpeppe, I'm kinda eoding but I'll be in and out
[17:00] <fwereade> rogpeppe, will be interviewing someone this evening so I'll pick it up then if not before
[17:00] <mgz> fwereade: I dont' follow the config omit/,ok comments, is that a new config thing?
[17:01] <mgz> in the providers, we've always just used blanks and defaults
[17:01] <rogpeppe> fwereade: i *think* i've addressed all the issues, (although i kept the bool in effectiveMachineTemplate for reasons i outlined in the comments i've just published)
[17:02] <mgz> okay, goose bits landed, juju-core fix ready to go
[17:02] <fwereade> mgz, I don't think we always have, but I'm pretty unsure about those suggestions
[17:03] <fwereade> mgz, not gonna fight them, just tabling the option in case you feel it fits better
[17:03] <mgz> it may well make sense tweaking some of these things after 1.17.1 - but that should be safe
[17:03] <mgz> I'd not be surprised if something's borked and needs fixing once I've had some people test this better anyway
[17:05] <mgz> if I have a ltm I'll land and crtis can get started
[17:07] <fwereade> mgz, for reasons too complicated to explain quickly I can't do this right now, but I'd LGTM it with a more explicit test for that one with .*s in the error message
[17:07] <rogpeppe> ha, these two strings are different... where? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6809355/
[17:08] <mgz> fwereade: okay, I'll tweak that one a bit
[17:08] <rogpeppe> ha, got it
[17:12] <mgz> okay, I need to go out till later on, feel free to flip that branch to approved in my absence
[17:17] <rogpeppe> ha, some of the tests actually rely on the fact that the authorized_keys used in testing are invalid
[17:17] <rogpeppe> sigh
[17:47] <rogpeppe> fwereade, mgz, natefinch: this fixes the testing auth keys issue: https://codereview.appspot.com/56680043
[17:48] <rogpeppe> i'd very much appreciate a review
[17:56] <rogpeppe> oh well, guess it's not gonna happen
[17:59] <natefinch> rogpeppe: I can do it, was just having lunch
[18:00] <rogpeppe> natefinch: that would be great, thanks - i have to stop now, but if that's approved, i should be able to able to get other branches in
[18:00] <natefinch> rogpeppe: cool
[18:02] <rogpeppe> g'night all
[18:02] <natefinch> g'night rog
[18:55] <hazmat> no upper case chars in services names?
[18:55] <hazmat> seems strange
[19:00] <natefinch> hazmat: keeping them all lowercase does simplify things somewhat, so you don't have to type out people's wEiRd nAMes... though you'd think that just making them case insensitive would work as ewll
[19:03] <hazmat> true.. though theres some other oddity to the naming.. ie. no wierd-1, but okay on wierd-1s
[19:03] <hazmat> not a big deal.. i'm autogenerating service names at the moment was just a surprise
[19:04] <natefinch> hazmat: yeah, I remember seeing that they need to start and end with a letter... don't know offhand why
[19:50] <mgz> sinzui: where are we at?
[19:53] <sinzui> mgz, cursing cannonistack because we have run out of resources to test
[19:54] <mgz> urg
[19:57] <sinzui> mgz, once your work lands, CI will start the tests. I may need to run some manually to cleanup secgroups. If all pass, I will do the release. I can do it ina  few hours. I can do the release in the mornings of the weekend too
[19:58] <mgz> natefinch: can I have a lgtm on my second part if you have a moment?
[20:00] <natefinch> mgz: oh yeah, I thought someone else was looking, but I'll look now
[20:01] <mgz> thanks!
[20:12] <natefinch> mgz: done
[20:12] <mgz> natefinch: thanks!
[20:44] <mgz> sinzui: sending to land now, you should get a notification when it's in
[20:44] <sinzui> mgz: thank you.
[21:06] <sinzui> mgz, I think gobot hates you
[21:07] <mgz> looking
[22:00] <mgz> have tried resubing a couple of times, it may need more unsticking somehow
[22:16] <mgz> sinzui: landed!
[22:16] <sinzui> thank you!


[16:09] <ezeh0001_> Trying to change openstack single disk partition mounted to / with cloud-int to repartition to have multiple mountpoints (/var) at least
[16:11] <ezeh0001_> Tried using disk_setup and fs_setup in user-data but that is not working
[16:11] <ezeh0001_> Is it even possible?
[17:20] <ezeh0001_> Have question about partitioning disk with cloud-init
[17:21] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: That should be possible; what do you mean by "not working"?
[17:21] <Odd_Bloke> (And what distro/version are you using?)
[17:22] <ezeh0001_> I am running on RHEL 7
[17:22] <ezeh0001_> I used the disk_setup inside user-data, but when it runs the partition is not yet there
[17:23] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: Can you paste your config somewhere?
[17:27] <ezeh0001_> Odd_Bloke: Config http://pastebin.com/yv7MKB7H
[17:29] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: You have "ephmeral" not "ephemeral" under disk_setup; I don't know if that's causing the problem.
[17:29] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: If that doesn't fix it, /var/log/cloud-init.log is also extremely useful for debugging problems.
[17:29] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: So either have a look at that yourself, or pastebin it and I can have a look.
[17:29] <Odd_Bloke> (Though I'm about to go to lunch, so I won't be able to help for 90-120 minutes)
[17:31] <harlowja_at_home> 120 minute lunch, questionable
[17:31] <harlowja_at_home> lol
[17:33] <ezeh0001_> Obb_Bloke: Thanks.  Will try that.
[17:59] <ezeh0001_> The error I get for disk_setup can be seen here: http://pastebin.com/pWYJ7fbJ
[18:27] <manuq> hi! how can I enable debug logging to cloud-init ? version is 0.7.5
[18:38] <ezeh0001_> Odd_Bloke: Looking at the error, the partition table is not changed before cloud-init gets to it.  I am trying to repartition the boot disk.   (Having context can sometimes make all the difference when debugging this sort of thing)
[20:18] <ezeh0001_> Odd_Bloke: whole log is at http://pastebin.com/ZsyNwmYb
[20:38] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: Ohhhhh, I only just worked out you're trying to partition /.
[20:38] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: I'm not sure we support that.
[20:38] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: ^ ?
[20:40] <smoser> whats going on ?
[20:41] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Is there anyway to partition the disk that is mounted on /?
[20:42] <smoser> i dont think linux supports it really.
[20:43] <smoser> hm.. i guess maybe if / was an lvm
[20:43] <smoser> but if its a partitioned disk, then you can tell cloud-init not to resize and take the rest, but i dont know that you can add partitions wihtout unmounting
[20:43] <smoser> i'd have to think more though
[21:01] <ezeh0001_> @smoser and Odd_Bloke: Thanks for your assistance
[23:31] <corb00> Hi is there any way to specify uid/gid for a user created in the cloud-init users: section?


[01:33] <tsimonq2> pleia2: I'll be around for release tomorrow as of now ;)
[20:33] <tsimonq2> pleia2: you ready to release or not quite yet? :)
[21:01] <pleia2> tsimonq2: did you get my email? still quite sick, will see how I feel in a few hours
[21:01] <pleia2> tsimonq2: if you could help by moving summaries + populating stats, that would be good, I would have done it last night but was too sick
[21:02] <tsimonq2> pleia2: alright, is there anything that you specifically need to do, or can I just go ahead and proceed?
[21:03] <tsimonq2> and no, I didn't get your email...
[21:03] <pleia2> tsimonq2: well, don't release :) I need to do editorial review later, but you can otherwise move over summaries and add the stats
[21:04] <pleia2> tsimonq2: sent again, to gmail address this time
[21:04] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[21:04] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[21:04] <pleia2> back to bed, will be back later
[21:05] <tsimonq2> woah duplicate message! :P
[21:56] <tsimonq2> Unit193: mind taking a look? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue460
[21:57] <tsimonq2> (link check, obvious things, etc.)
[21:57] <tsimonq2> I have one summary and two revisions on my plate
[22:02] <tsimonq2> *SIGH* wrong community team Q&A title...
[22:33] <tsimonq2> off eating dinner, be back in an hour or two
[23:19] <Unit193> Looks fine.
[23:36] <tsimonq2> thanks Unit193 :)


[11:45] <yano> http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/news/a28562/researchers-find-universes-missing-matter/
[11:45] <jenni> [ Researchers Find Universe's 'Missing Matter' ] - https://bit.ly/2yBj8y5


[00:08] <thetrav> is this channel logged?
[00:08] <thetrav> 1 -> is there a mechanism for running an arbitrary script on node start-up (eg, user-data)
[00:09] <thetrav> 2 -> what are MaaS physical zone's all about?
[00:21] <thetrav> 3 -> what causes a node to move from "deploying" state to the next successful state?  I've got ssh access to the host and so far as I can tell it's all fine, however it sits in "deploying" for a super long time then moves to "deploy failed" even though the server seems fine
[00:46] <mup> Bug #1441399 was opened: socket.error: [Errno 92] Protocol not available <oil> <MAAS:In Progress by andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441399>
[01:22] <mup> Bug #1441403 was opened: 1.8b1 Filter by zone is missing <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441403>
[01:22] <mup> Bug #1441404 was opened: 1.8b1 Accessing nodes detail page gets stuck in Loading <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441404>
[01:22] <mup> Bug #1441405 was opened: PXE power-off instead of power controller <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441405>
[01:52] <mup> Bug #1441408 was opened: 1.8b1 Failed Commissioning Machines are not turned off automatically after they timeout <oil> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441408>
[04:28] <mup> Bug #1418157 changed: Install failed: Unexpected EOF in archive <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1418157>
[07:44] <mup> Bug #1441467 was opened: Adding a node in the UI requires specifying a power controller <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441467>
[07:44] <mup> Bug #1441471 was opened: MAAS python-vmomi power type: can't "add chassis" twice <MAAS:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441471>
[07:50] <mup> Bug #1441467 changed: Adding a node in the UI requires specifying a power controller <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441467>
[07:50] <mup> Bug #1441471 changed: MAAS python-vmomi power type: can't "add chassis" twice <MAAS:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441471>
[07:56] <mup> Bug #1441467 was opened: Adding a node in the UI requires specifying a power controller <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441467>
[07:56] <mup> Bug #1441471 was opened: MAAS python-vmomi power type: can't "add chassis" twice <MAAS:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441471>
[07:56] <mup> Bug #1441472 was opened: mass-cli "nodes new" command: autodetect_nodegroup parameter is undocumented <api> <doc> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441472>
[07:59] <mup> Bug #1441472 changed: mass-cli "nodes new" command: autodetect_nodegroup parameter is undocumented <api> <doc> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441472>
[08:14] <mup> Bug #1441472 was opened: mass-cli "nodes new" command: autodetect_nodegroup parameter is undocumented <api> <doc> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441472>
[08:44] <mup> Bug #1441497 was opened: DNS in deployed nodes not set correctly <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441497>
[08:56] <mup> Bug #1441497 changed: DNS in deployed nodes not set correctly <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441497>
[09:05] <mup> Bug #1441497 was opened: DNS in deployed nodes not set correctly <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441497>
[11:38] <mup> Bug #1441467 changed: Adding a node in the UI requires specifying a power controller <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441467>
[12:51] <mup> Bug #1441606 was opened: Error: Page not found The requested URL /MAAS/nodes/ was not found on this server. <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441606>
[12:51] <mup> Bug #1441610 was opened: 1.8b1 Machines get stuck in releasing for a long time <oil> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441610>
[12:57] <mup> Bug #1441612 was opened: 1.8b1 Red outline on node name  <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441612>
[13:09] <mup> Bug #1441612 changed: 1.8b1 Red outline on node name  <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441612>
[13:21] <mup> Bug #1441612 was opened: 1.8b1 Red outline on node name  <ui> <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441612>
[13:27] <mup> Bug #1441621 was opened: 1.8b1 Padding between edit node name and save button <ui> <MAAS:New for ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441621>
[13:27] <mup> Bug #1441624 was opened: MAAS doesn't support using an upstream proxy <landscape> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441624>
[14:39] <mup> Bug #1441652 was opened: 1.8b1: 502 Proxy Error when trying to access MAAS in browser <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441652>
[14:39] <mup> Bug #1441653 was opened: 1.8 V1: juju bootstrap failed - got error back from server: 502 Proxy Error <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441653>
[15:09] <mup> Bug #1441653 changed: 1.8 V1: juju bootstrap failed - got error back from server: 502 Proxy Error <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441653>
[15:09] <mup> Bug #1441682 was opened: 1.8beta1: RAM units is given as GB on node details page, instead of GiB <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441682>
[15:21] <mup> Bug #1441684 was opened: Add test for SO_REUSEPORT and add warning log if kernel does not support it <tech-debt> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441684>
[15:21] <mup> Bug #1441686 was opened: 1.8beta1: Storage sizes displayed as floating point <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441686>
[15:33] <mup> Bug #1441684 changed: Add test for SO_REUSEPORT and add warning log if kernel does not support it <tech-debt> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441684>
[15:33] <mup> Bug #1441686 changed: 1.8beta1: Storage sizes displayed as floating point <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441686>
[15:39] <mup> Bug #1441684 was opened: Add test for SO_REUSEPORT and add warning log if kernel does not support it <tech-debt> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441684>
[15:39] <mup> Bug #1441686 was opened: 1.8beta1: Storage sizes displayed as floating point <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441686>
[17:27] <mup> Bug #1441756 was opened: Manager service is not sending limit to region <ui> <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441756>
[17:39] <mup> Bug #1441756 changed: Manager service is not sending limit to region <ui> <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441756>
[17:42] <mup> Bug #1441756 was opened: Manager service is not sending limit to region <ui> <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441756>
[19:37] <serverascode> hi, how can I assign static IPs to servers, aka mac addresses? I want to manually assign them...anyone have pointers on doing that with maas?
[19:41] <roaksoax> serverascode: only available in MAAS 1.7 or 1.8b1+
[19:41] <roaksoax> serverascode: maas admin node claim-sticky-ip-address
[19:41] <roaksoax> serverascode: maas admin node claim-sticky-ip-address --help
[19:41] <serverascode> ok cool thanks will chekc that out
[20:28] <mup> Bug #1441837 was opened: [1.8b1 devices] Can't add a device with multiple NIC's <oil> <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441837>
[20:28] <mup> Bug #1441841 was opened: [1.8b1 devices] Can't add a device that has IP address that it is within the wider range MAAS manages, but not within Dynamic/Static range MAAS manages <oil> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441841>
[21:10] <mup> Bug #1441851 was opened: 1.8b1: Can't view list of nodes for a physical zone <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441851>
[21:25] <mup> Bug #1441851 changed: 1.8b1: Can't view list of nodes for a physical zone <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441851>
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1436277 changed: No error message when the websocket connection times out <websockets> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1436277>
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1441864 was opened: 1.8b1: Can't filter servers by owner correctly if owner is subset of another owner <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441864>
[23:55] <mup> Bug #1441472 changed: mass-cli "nodes new" command: autodetect_nodegroup parameter is undocumented <api> <doc> <MAAS:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441472>


[10:11] <cm-t> Hi, i am here to promote a bleuprint/meeting. Here is the bleuprint where you can find the meeting link : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1411-iso-l10n-uefi
[10:12] <cm-t> is it too late to propise new meeting?
[10:14] <cm-t> Is it even the good channel to ask it?
[10:14] <cm-t> s/propise/propose
[10:18]  * cm-t can't lurk, no irc app that can stay logged-in in the background on ubuntu touch yet
[10:22] <cm-t> ping : mhall119 0:-)
[10:26] <cm-t> if i get logged off, it will be due to the phone mhall119, fell free to email me if you have question for this validation (cm-t at ubuntu-fr.org)
[10:27] <cm-t> will i can edit the description meeting (typo)?