[00:00] <Intelo> How come x2go is faster than X forwarding and VNC ?
[00:00] <nugroho> Smart Fren 10 GB
[00:01] <hggdh> nugroho: perhaps you are in the wrong place?
[00:19] <Intelo> oerheks: I heard X forwarding and vnc both are slower than x2go?
[01:16] <Intelo> oerheks: sarnold and guacamole seems better than x2go?
[01:16] <sarnold> Intelo: no idea, I've only ever used ssh -X
[01:30] <Severs> Hi everyone, I am a Linux newbie (only been using steadily for about a year and a half) and I am looking at maybe upgrading from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS, and was wondering how painless/painful the transition would be if I used the upgrade from within the OS.
[01:32] <sarnold> Severs: I don't think we've started advertising the upgrade path yet -- if you're asking about how painful it might be, you might just want to hold off for another month or two, until we start advertising it
[01:32] <sarnold> Severs: most people, it goes pretty well, but it's better for the enthusiasts to try it out for a while first
[01:33] <Severs> Fair enough, thanks for the heads up, my main concerns were honestly if i was going to have to reinstall my desktop environment after the upgrade, and if it would overwrite my grubfile
[01:33] <sarnold> grubfile?
[01:34] <Severs> i have to have the iommu=soft parameter in my grubfile to make my USB 2.0 ports because im on a Gigabyte 990FX mobo
[01:34] <sarnold> ah, that'll probably carry over
[01:34] <sarnold> I imagine if you have to set it up again it'll be really annoying?
[01:35] <Severs> if i were to do it at the current moment yeah, simply because im just getting over a nasty fever and getting down to swap all my cords from USB 2s to 3s then back again after i fix it
[01:36] <Severs> would cause me some physical pain
[01:36] <sarnold> can you ssh in to the machine? that'd save either plugging/unplugging things, or save you from a tapping-the-reset-button reboot..
[01:38] <Severs> i might be able to figure that out, though if youre recommending to just wait a few months anyway ill probably do that, ive just seen a few people talking about upgrades recently so i was tempted
[01:39] <Severs> im getting fair performance as is, but figured there might be some improvements gaming wise by upgrading
[01:39] <sarnold> I've heard the gnome experience is better
[01:40] <sarnold> but if you're not using gnome then it might be less noticable
[01:40] <Severs> i go back and forth, the main reason for installing XFCE was due to an audio issue with Rocksmith
[01:41] <Severs> no matter how low i put my guitar volume down, it would always distort in game under gnome
[01:44] <Severs> I'm still learning my way around linux, been using it exclusively for a little over a year and a half
[01:44] <virmaha> hello, need some scripting help. I've 600 images and 4 folders in my folder. I want to open each image and based on 1,2,3,4, move them to respective folder
[01:45] <virmaha> whatever i type..and if i press 5, delete it
[01:54] <SpeedrunnerG55> i am running ubuntu 18.04 and my syslog is getting spammed with ```Asimov gnome-shell[2785]: [AppIndicatorSupport-FATAL] unable to lookup icon for discord1_337```
[01:56] <sarnold> SpeedrunnerG55: do you have a discord snap installed?
[02:40] <Intelo> !guacd
[02:41] <Intelo> !guacamole
[02:41] <Intelo> ubuntu has a package by that name. How can I find the version
[02:44] <leftyfb> Intelo: apt-cache policy guacamole
[02:44] <leftyfb> it's part of the universe repo
[02:44] <leftyfb> !info guacamole
[02:45] <leftyfb> looks like it's been removed in 20.04
[02:45] <Intelo> I started something but is it the correct way? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rH6pKfNCHh/
[02:45] <Intelo> leftyfb: I am on an old version. I want to check of new
[02:46] <leftyfb> Intelo: apt-cache policy guacamole
[02:46] <leftyfb> Intelo: looks like you installed it from source?
[02:46] <Intelo> leftyfb:  yes
[02:46] <Intelo> leftyfb: apt cache will work in MY old distro. I want the version of NEW distro.
[02:47] <leftyfb> Intelo: sorry, but you'll have to seek support from the developer for the compiled package
[02:47] <leftyfb> Intelo: apt-cache will work in any version of ubuntu
[02:49] <leftyfb> Intelo: Ubuntu 18.04 has version 0.9.9+dfsg-1. But it looks like the package has been removed from 20.04. Not sure about 19.10 but that version will be EOL next month so it doesn't really matter
[02:50] <Intelo> leftyfb: why removed?
[02:50] <Intelo> leftyfb: so there is no version in 20?
[02:53] <SpeedrunnerG55> sarnold yes
[03:16] <coolchris> fuck ubuntu its a peace of shit
[03:16] <coolchris> go ahead and ban me im not scared
[03:45] <eelstrebor> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[03:48] <hkm> hello
[04:09] <coolchris> windows is better then ubuntu
[04:09] <coolchris> haha
[04:09] <coolchris> come on ban me im not scared
[04:15] <monojamoon|> lol
[04:17] <rud0lf> such bravery
[04:47] <spagetios> hi all how do i quickly find any ip addresses of connected devices (sim to ipconfig) from cli-I'd like to know the address of my pi my doorbell and my range extender
[04:48] <spagetios> perhaps i called it ip address incorrectly (mac address) id like to login to my range extender and cant find address thanks to anyone that helps
[04:52] <spagetios> anybody awake please give me a hand
[04:57] <Schnabeltierchen> spagetios: you should look those in your router
[04:57] <tatertots> spagetios: if you use a rasPi you can run ipconfig/ ip a on the RasPi and observe it's ip, for IP cameras and other devices that usually have a default address if you read the manual/documentation
[04:58] <spagetios> thank tatertots just got my addresses sorted as you replied, thank you very much
[04:58] <tatertots> spagetios: but you would normally know or learn these things upon installing them
[04:59] <spagetios> yeah true know all about raspi via ssh or cli and commands (for usecase)
[04:59] <spagetios> this was more aimed at getting the bloody dlink addy
[05:00] <spagetios> bloddy dlink frustration now fixed (not directing bloody at you)
[05:00] <spagetios> thank you both
[05:01] <spagetios> Schnabeltierchen, o jesus yeah lols
[05:01] <spagetios> if nothing else i should of remembered that
[05:02] <spagetios> cheers Schnabeltierchen
[05:06] <adityaduggal> I have a webcam which is getting detected on my ubuntu 20.04 but there is no video input on the screen on cheese
[05:08] <adityaduggal> can anyone let me know how can I get any generic drivers for my webcam lsusb gives Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0458:7067 KYE Systems Corp. (Mouse Systems) Genius iSlim 1300AF V2
[05:08] <Intelo> How to check package informatoin in this channel?
[05:08] <Intelo> !kate
[05:08] <Intelo> !guacamole
[05:08] <Intelo> How come ubuntu latest dont have gucamole and 18 had it
[05:39] <Intelo> Whats wrong here? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XBCjZQxKFt/
[05:44] <Jordan_U> Intelo: It looks like it was removed from Debian for a while, but is now back in unstable. It seems reasonable to expect that it will be in the next version of Ubuntu. Why it was dropped from Debian, I don't know.
[05:52] <Mrokii> Hello. I have a problem with system-freezes without any event being written into system-logs, as far as I can tell. Also, possibly related, my PC often hangs at start, even before showing the BIOS-screen. I wonder if these two problems are related, as I read somewhere on the net that a faulty power supply could be one of the reasons for suchs problems. Any thoughts on that?
[05:57] <jakobbg> portup
[06:05] <akei-ai> hai
[06:13] <spagetios> hai=yes hai=hello
[06:13] <spagetios> either way hello
[06:34] <skyliner_369> I'm wanting to see what the sound settings for my PC is. I'm running 20.04LTS and, well, the audio settings are excessively basic.
[06:36] <skyliner_369> where might I be able to set it to like, 32-bit audio and 192000 hz output?
[06:46] <vlt> skyliner_369: Not the most straight forward way but ... for my hardware `alsamixer` has a setting for sample rate and I usually configure JackAudio to match my desired settings.
[06:51] <b3lt3r> oerheks: wow, just read the linuxhint pxe boot guide you referenced... what a palaver :-) I'm hoping the Raspi distro for 20.04 gets a "pure" nfs boot like I can with Raspian - that is just installing nfs-kernel-server on the host and changing one line in the boot cmd on the client sd card.
[07:03] <SpeedrunnerG55> sarnold sry i didnt seeyour responce >.>
[07:09] <skyliner_369> Aaaa music keeps playing but nothing's open playing it!
[07:09] <skyliner_369> wait... found the player... just... not on the taskbar
[07:10] <echoSMILE> the ubuntu version 20.04 without LTS is not available or I am not seeing it?
[07:10] <skyliner_369> for PC or what?
[07:10] <echoSMILE> skyliner_369: for amd64
[07:11] <ducasse> echoSMILE: what do you mean 'without lts'?
[07:11] <ducasse> 20.04 is lts, there aren't different versions
[07:12] <echoSMILE> ducasse: oh. nevermind then
[07:13] <skyliner_369> if you're running 18.04 at the moment, I recommend running software updater a few times. should prompt you to upgrade. if not, then it's right there. I believe 32-bit is fully abandoned
[07:14] <echoSMILE> I have Ubuntu 19.10, but I need to backup everything first becaue I follow the FDE ubuntu guide and the upgrade could messe up. But in normal circunstances, upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04 LTS is quite straightforward right ?
[07:15] <ducasse> as long as you don't have any ppas
[07:15] <skyliner_369> it should be rather easy yeah. your files should be safe. maybe not your software, but that's easier to reinstall than recovering a lost project.
[07:16] <echoSMILE> ducasse: ppas ?
[07:16] <ducasse> !ppa | echoSMILE
[07:16] <echoSMILE> skyliner_369: cool. tks
[07:17] <skyliner_369> I had a few PPAs but as I said, PPAs can also be reinstalled, long as the project files remain. Documents, pictures, etc. etc.
[07:20] <skyliner_369> what's the best way, in 20.04LTS to get, well, weebly-wobbly jello-like windows?
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> skyliner_369: wobbly windows was a untiy plugin, so you could try that on unity desktop
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> skyliner_369: there's also a gnome wobbly windows extension
[07:25] <skyliner_369> what desktop environment is default?
[07:26] <akem> Gnome.
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> skyliner_369: depends with flavour of ubuntu you are going to install
[07:26] <skyliner_369> I'm running the 20.04Lts version
[07:26] <akem> For regular Ubuntu that is.
[07:27] <skyliner_369> I can install extra desktops via apt... well... if I remember how.
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> skyliner_369: depends what you want to do exactly
[07:29] <skyliner_369> lwell with this I kinda wanna stick to basic, as I hear extra environments can introduce stability issues?
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> skyliner_369: stability issues not really, as you are on LTS, but the more flavour desktops you start to install, the more mixed your ubuntu will start to be, harder to purge things
[07:30] <skyliner_369> I mean I put every environment on my laptop but I think the windows side of the disc clobbered something and now neither OS runs
[07:32] <skyliner_369> Luckily the desktop is happy as a clam
[08:11] <max12345> hello, a copy operation to a usb stick won't finish and won't cancel.
[08:11] <max12345> can I do something/ do I risk ruining the stick?
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> max12345: aborting operations and unmounting can always lead to possible data loss
[08:14] <max12345> but only with the stuff that's being "touched" right?
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> max12345: perhaps you can use commandline tools that support --progress next time
[08:15] <max12345> good idea, thanks. I will try that and verbose...
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> max12345: rsync or pv or something
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> max12345: 'if' you lost data, try testdisk/photorec to get your data back
[08:18] <EriC^^> max12345: try to unmount the usb manually maybe
[08:18] <EriC^^> or from filemanager
[08:19] <mbeierl> max12345, you can also take a look at dmesg or /var/log/syslog to see if there are messages about device access failing
[08:19] <EriC^^> good idea ^
[08:23] <max12345> yep, the log says the mount wasn't completed properly and to fsck.
[08:27] <akei-ai> how not to lose data?
[08:57] <raj_> hey, why'd I get kicked from #ubuntu-release-party?
[08:57] <raj_> wasn't me who spiked the vodka
[09:11] <peepsalot> is there an app or site where I can browse available fonts from ubuntu repos before installing them?
[09:12] <peepsalot> i mean with image samples or something
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> !info fontmatrix | peepsalot
[09:15] <peepsalot> lotuspsychje: sounds useful but i'm on 18.04 still :-/
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> peepsalot: there's a few snaps too if you like, fontvuer, gnome-font-viewer
[09:34] <hurrrray> hi guys i really need some help formatting a micro sd card 15G Gparted isnt fixing it even when i format to ext4 fat32 msdos or gpt
[09:35] <hurrrray> please any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
[10:01] <Intelo> I have guacamole, trying to setup. Do I need VNC installed separately?
[10:04] <Intelo> Whats the best and easiest way to setup a remote desktop? VNC? if so, which one? I use ubuntu?
[11:18] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:18] <brillopad> Hi all! Can anyone help me trying to set up a Flask app via gunicorn on Ubuntu 20.04? The service file is here: https://pastebin.com/NbsSZRfB
[11:18] <brillopad> /opt/sales/env/bin/gunicorn definitely exists (and I can run it from the commandline). However, when I try to start the service I get the message: salespages.service: Failed at step EXEC spawning /opt/sales/env/bin/gunicorn --workers 3 --bind unix:salespages.sock -m 007 wsgi:app: No such file or directory
[11:27] <unauditedprint> is there a way to quickly switch between single and dual monitor display?
[12:04] <donofrio> unauditedprint, what do you mean?
[12:04] <unauditedprint> i actually figured it out using xrandr
[12:04] <unauditedprint> thanks donofrio
[12:10] <brillopad> Hi all! Can anyone help me trying to set up a Flask app via gunicorn on Ubuntu 20.04? The service file is here: https://pastebin.com/NbsSZRfB
[12:10] <brillopad> /opt/sales/env/bin/gunicorn definitely exists (and I can run it from the commandline). However, when I try to start the service I get the message: salespages.service: Failed at step EXEC spawning /opt/sales/env/bin/gunicorn --workers 3 --bind unix:salespages.sock -m 007 wsgi:app: No such file or directory
[12:14] <futureRich> can i know name. when i connect linux with ssh, then i can retain program after exiting program
[12:14] <futureRich> ?
[12:26] <ioria> brillopad, is /opt on another partition ?
[12:49] <VlanX> Hello. Aftrer upgrading to Fossa, my computer get assigned with a  static IP address and a DHCP address. I only want the former. How can i disable the secondary address?
[12:52] <ubaion> Does anyone know how to install git-filter-repo in Ubuntu? I've tried: 1) pip3 install git-filter-repo, 2) installing Fedora's RPM with Alien, 3) installing manually and adding the install directory to my PATH. I always get "git: filter-repo is not a git command." Is there a recommended way for Ubuntu? Should I be trying #git instead, perhaps?
[13:38] <vakkov> Hi guys! this might have been asked a tons of time but I got into a big mess and  am in a huuuuge hurry, honestly - is there a way to boot ubuntu on T2-chip Macbook?? i read that booting from external media has to be allowed but what about secure boot - should that be set to "no security" or is everything OK with EFI and Ubuntu now; also, do recent Ubuntu versions ship with the needed T2 kernel patches? I really need to save the data from a dying macCrap o
[13:38] <vakkov> f a friend of mine
[13:45] <gildarts> I don't think Ubuntu could read the data off the drive even if you got it booted. Apple SSDs are formatted as APFS, and as far as I know, Ubuntu doesn't have drivers for it.
[13:45] <gildarts> But yeah, you would need to boot to recovery mode and change the security settings to even attempt it.
[13:45] <gildarts> vakkov: ^
[13:47] <mike18> hi, how can run sed for that string? https://ideone.com/ymhGiq  ... sed -n '/"instances"/s/[^{]*{/p'
[13:47] <vakkov> gildarts: is that all that is needed to be done/
[13:47] <vakkov> thanks btw!
[13:49] <gildarts> vakkov: No worries. I haven't tried booting Ubuntu on any of their recent hardware, so am not sure. Probably safest to turn off all the security settings if you are just trying to extract the data. But I doubt you can get it off without booting into macOS. Between disk format and encryption, I doubt Ubuntu can read it.
[13:56] <gildarts> mike18: `curl blah | sed blah` Though it appears that your pattern is malformed somehow. Not familiar with sed.
[13:57] <gildarts> Hmm, appears I misunderstood the question though.
[13:58] <gildarts> mike18: What are you actually trying to do?
[13:58] <rangergord> I'm trying to debugg issues with my Right Ctrl key. Anyone know any keyboard shortcuts that use it? Couldn't see any in the keyboard settings.
[13:59] <Buoy172> hi guys
[14:00] <Buoy172> I'm trying to install ubuntu on termux (android tabled), and I followed these instructions: https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/Ubuntu
[14:00] <bjarne333> journalctl is only showing logs since 2020-03-29 but the machine uptime is 700 days.
[14:00] <Buoy172> However if you open ubuntu.sh: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Neo-Oli/termux-ubuntu/master/ubuntu.sh
[14:00] <Buoy172> You'll notice the location of the image is: https://partner-images.canonical.com/core/disco/...
[14:01] <Buoy172> but that folder doesn't exist
[14:01] <Buoy172> here: https://partner-images.canonical.com/core/, there's no disco folder
[14:01] <Buoy172> what ubuntu image should I install?
[14:02] <ducasse> rangergord: try 'xev -event keyboard' to see which keypress events it sends
[14:02] <Buoy172> i.e. where can I find an ubuntu 19.04 image (Disco Dingo) online which I would install with wget?
[14:02] <EriC^> Buoy172: disco is eol i think, try to go for 18.04 bionic
[14:03] <Buoy172> disco is eol? what does eol mean?
[14:03] <ducasse> !eol | Buoy172
[14:03] <EriC^> Buoy172: end of life, usual releases are 9months, the lts are 5 years
[14:03] <EriC^> Buoy172: 18.04 is an lts release
[14:03] <EriC^> (long term support)
[14:04] <rangergord> ducasse, thank you
[14:04] <Buoy172> I see, thank you
[14:04] <EriC^> no problem
[14:05] <Buoy172> but EriC^ there's also 'focal' there which is LTS according to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[14:05] <Buoy172> and it's 20.04
[14:05] <Buoy172> should I go for that instead?
[14:09] <brillopad> Hi all! Can anyone help me trying to set up a Flask app via gunicorn on Ubuntu 20.04? The service file is here: https://pastebin.com/NbsSZRfB
[14:09] <brillopad> /opt/sales/env/bin/gunicorn definitely exists (and I can run it from the commandline). However, when I try to start the service I get the message: salespages.service: Failed at step EXEC spawning /opt/sales/env/bin/gunicorn --workers 3 --bind unix:salespages.sock -m 007 wsgi:app: No such file or directory
[14:18] <bjarne333> turns out journald only keeps a max of 4G of logs.
[14:19] <leftyfb> bjarne333: that is configurable
[14:30] <olspookishmagus> hello, is there some sort of minimum/suggested specs required to run specific Ubuntu versions?
[14:30] <Buoy172> When running a script to extract ubuntu.tar.gz I get a lot of errors like: Cannot create symlink to **: Operation not permitted.
[14:30] <Buoy172> this is on sdcardfs
[14:30] <Buoy172> on ext2/ext3 it works
[14:31] <Buoy172> any advice?
[14:34] <leftyfb> olspookishmagus: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements   # found by searching google for "ubuntu minimum requirements"
[14:34] <leftyfb> Buoy172: fat32 doesn't support symlinks
[14:34] <leftyfb> or whatever "sdcardfs" is
[14:38] <brillopad> letftyb: Google's FUSE replacement
[14:38] <brillopad> leftyfb even. Stupid fingers.
[14:39] <leftyfb> brillopad: there should be no expectation that you can run a full ubuntu installation from it
[14:39] <brillopad> leftyfb - oh god no, totally agree
[15:00] <eoli3n_> Hi
[15:01] <eoli3n_> how to know which packages has another one as dep ?
[15:01] <eoli3n_> i remove gdm3 in a automated install, but after reboot it is still here
[15:01] <eoli3n_> i can see in dpkg.log that i removed the package, then it installed again
[15:02] <eoli3n_> i manage install with ansible and i install more than 300 packages, how to know which one had gdm3 as dep ?
[15:03] <eoli3n_> same for network-manager
[15:19] <blahboybaz> how can I find out what version of something would be installed from the officaial / default repository? I want to find that out for pandoc but doesn't ubuntu use different versioning numbers?
[15:21] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: apt-cache policy pandoc
[15:22] <blahboybaz> leftyfb:  It say "<IP_ADDRESS>~dfsg-1build4"  but the latest version shown on the pandoc website is <IP_ADDRESS>    is it an ubuntu versioning thing so the versions don't correspond or... ?
[15:23] <leftyfb> no
[15:23] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: ubuntu has <IP_ADDRESS> available
[15:23] <blahboybaz> ohh
[15:23] <blahboybaz> so if I want the latest I have to find an alternative way to install
[15:23] <blahboybaz> thanks man
[15:24] <blahboybaz> I gotta go to work  :)
[15:31] <Staiden> hi all, so im trying to connect to a sambashare on my desktop version of ubuntu PC running 18.04, from server 18.04 and I cannot figure it out. I ran a command that lets me see the sama folder but it said it was depreciated. Im not sure what command it was though.
[15:35] <SumOverHistories> good afternoon. could someone please explain to me why when I rebuild my Ubuntu Kernel following the steps in the BuildYourOwnKernel guide, I end up with so many different .deb packages to install. there is a buildinfo package, multiple cloud tools and tools packages, multiple headers packages... do I need to install all of these packages following a kernel rebuild or can i simply just install linux-image-un
[15:35] <SumOverHistories> signed, linux-modules and linux-headers? I simply want to rebuild the existing kernel with a slight configuration change
[15:38] <entourage> how do I erase mbr or gpt with the dd command?
[15:39] <leftyfb> SumOverHistories: try #ubuntu-kernel
[15:39] <leftyfb> entourage: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-clearing-out-master-boot-record-dd-command/  # first result on google for "ubuntu delete mbr"
[15:42] <entourage> leftyfb, thanks but the site doesn't mention gpt
[15:43] <leftyfb> entourage: gpt uses a partition
[15:45] <leftyfb> entourage: dd will work the same way for gpt
[15:45] <kel_> what makes a good torrent client?
[15:45] <leftyfb> entourage: https://serverfault.com/a/787210
[15:45] <leftyfb> !ot | kel_
[15:46] <entourage> kel_, on the desktop I'd say Qbittorrent
[15:49] <Greenfrog> silly connection keeps dropping
[15:50] <Greenfrog> really, nothing. seems that last comment was for mac
[15:50] <SumOverHistories> thanks leftyfb
[15:53] <purvesh> how can upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 If I have ISO downloaded
[15:56] <leftyfb> purvesh: the upgrade path from 18.04 to 20.04 isn't fully vetted. You're better off waiting till 20.04.1 which will probably be out in the coming months
[15:57] <purvesh> leftyfb, Ohk... Thanks for reply. I was having iso downloaded so thought to upgrade it offline through 20.04LTS ISO from 18.04LTS
[15:58] <leftyfb> purvesh: I would just do a fresh install and restore from backup
[15:59] <purvesh> leftyfb, how to do that? do you have any article link from which I can see all application backup & restore after updating?
[16:00] <leftyfb> purvesh: nope. I just make a list of packages I installed(apt and snap), copy my home and etc and anywhere else I'm aware of having anything custom
[16:12] <hinderaker> I cant (Q)uit apps from ALT+TAB on 20.04. Need to use W (started in 19.10 it seems, but I only use LTS).
[16:12] <hinderaker> Any idea if its possible to change it back to Q in 20.04?
[16:22] <VlanX> I love how ubuntu is getting worse and worse with every LTS
[16:26] <leftyfb> !ot | VlanX
[16:27] <VlanX> leftyfb: yeah thats the spirit
[16:27] <leftyfb> VlanX: this is a support channel. Not for rants or complaints.
[17:13] <ioria> hinderaker, it was set in altTab.js once, but know i guess has been hardcoded
[17:15] <RoseBus> GNUS slowly dropping again
[17:17] <MassDebates> RoseBus, the time to make on GNUS is over
[17:17] <MassDebates> you will have another rally before the 15th.
[17:17] <MassDebates> That's when it's make-it-or-break-it time for GNUS
[17:18] <MassDebates> Hopefully you got in early enough. Multiplied my investment by 17x
[17:18] <MassDebates> either A) the company becomes a legit company (it's been largely a hollow shell that burns investor cash) or B) it dies
[17:22] <Amaranth> What?
[17:23] <Amaranth> I can't tell if this is a pump and dump spam for penny stocks or some weird crypto thing
[17:23] <Amaranth> Either way offtopic
[17:30] <Tiders> I have a ubuntu 18.04 docker image for aws codebuild.  It comes with php7.3 installed under /root/.phpenv/shims/php.  I need to use php7.2 instead so I installed php7.2 with apt and then ran update-alternatives to set that.  However when I do "which php" it still points to the other one.  What can I do to make it point to the correct one?
[17:34] <Amaranth> Tiders: Sounds like your $PATH has been modified to prefer the one in ~/.phpenv
[17:34] <Amaranth> Are you running as root when you have this problem?
[17:35] <Tiders> Yes
[17:36] <Tiders>  /root/.phpenv/shims  is the first thing in the $PATH variable as you guessed
[17:37] <Amaranth> Your ~/.bash_profile has been modified to add ~/.phpenv/bin to $PATH for the phpenv command and some other addition to add whatever points at the version of PHP it has configured
[17:37] <Amaranth> Probably that shims thing, yeah
[17:38] <Amaranth> You could also keep using phpenv and use it to install 7.2 and change to it, if you wanted to keep that system
[17:39] <Tiders> I honestly don't mind either way.  I've just been having a lot of problems trying to get php-redis enabled and I've tried multiple approaches.  My current approach was trying to bypass the built in php
[17:39] <Tiders> When I used the php version that was set wtih phpenv and ran apt install php-redis it installed php7.2 as well
[17:39] <Tiders> and the phpenv version of php never got the module
[17:40] <Tiders> so maybe I need to install the module differently as well, maybe a php question?
[17:42] <Amaranth> Yeah, if you want to use phpenv you'll have to compile php-redis yourself I think, I thought phpenv would have a thing for that like the combination of virtualenv and pip for Python but I guess not
[17:43] <Amaranth> So if you want 7.2 and have php-redis installed for it you can just comment out or delete the lines in your ~/.bash_profile that add phpenv stuff to your $PATH then reload the config or log out and back in
[17:45] <Tiders> Amaranth: I can't really log out and back in because this is an automated script to run a build process inside the docker image.  would doing source ~/.bash_profile do the same thing?
[17:45] <Amaranth> Yeah
[17:45] <Tiders> Cool, will just need to write a little command to find that line and remove it from bash_profile then
[17:45] <Tiders> will try that
[17:46] <Tiders> Amaranth: what if there is no bash_profile file anywhere that I can find, should I just modify the PATH directly (this is only a single session thing anyways)
[17:47] <Amaranth> You could, sure
[17:47] <Amaranth> Or you could directly reference /usr/bin/php to make sure you get the one you want
[17:47] <Tiders> If I modify the path directly would anything need to be reloaded or that would take effect immediately?
[17:47] <Amaranth> It'll take effect for every command run after you change it
[18:12] <hinderaker> ioria: Thats just sad. Believe its Q on both Mac and Windows, and used to be on Ubuntu aswell. Weird to change that imo
[18:15] <coconut> I created three fat32 partitions on an usb thumb with gnome disks, and put the data of three different Linux iso's on those. But how do i grub install that thumb?
[18:44] <Staiden> hi all, so im trying to connect to a sambashare on my desktop version of ubuntu PC running 18.04, from server 18.04 and I cannot figure it out. I ran a command that lets me see the sama folder but it said it was depreciated. Im not sure what command it was though. Would anyone be able to help me connect and mount it?
[18:46] <jpmh> I installed mysql-server, realize I do not need it, so apt remove mysql-server.  Weirdly, the system tells me it deleted it, if I try and remove againg it tells me not installed, YET mysqld continues to start when I reboot.  What am I missing here?
[19:21] <estan> hi folks. anyone with insights know what the the first hwe kernel version for 20.04 might be once it's released to the repos? 5.8?
[19:24] <ioria> estan, i don't think so
[19:24] <oerheks1> estan, that would be the 20.10 kernel, unknown for now.
[19:24] <oerheks1> 5.8 does not exist, smart guy
[19:24] <ioria> 20.10 might be 5.7
[19:24] <daum> hey all - i'm trying to install ubuntu on a machine but keep getting unable to find medium containing live file system any ideas what may cause that?
[19:25] <daum> used mkusb + ubuntu 20 to do this on my stick
[19:25] <oerheks1> daum,  did you check the iso?
[19:25] <estan> alright, thanks. i know 5.8 isn't out yet, but thought that it might be by the time the hwe kernel for 20.04 is released (i'm a little unsure of how the schedules work).
[19:25] <ioria> estan, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/05/ubuntu-20-04-1-coming-july
[19:26] <estan> ioria: alright. and the .1 release is when the hwe packages are released?
[19:26] <ioria> yep
[19:26] <estan> great, thanks. understand 5.8 would be a bit tight then.
[19:27] <estan> i'm planning on getting a new laptop, and probably want it to be one of those nice new AMD ones, and i saw that the 5.8 kernel would have some thermal stuff for AMD, so that's why i was curious.
[19:28] <daum> oerheks1, yep iso checksum is correct
[19:28] <estan> but i guess maybe ubuntu will backport that.. (?)
[19:28] <ioria> daum, why don't you use dd, etcher, rufus ... ?
[19:29] <estan> ioria: hmm but from that post you linked: "There’s also no new hardware enablement stack (HWE) set to ship in the Ubuntu 20.04.1 point release." :/
[19:29] <daum> ioria, will find rufus
[19:30] <ioria> estan, yes
[19:30] <coconut> I created three fat32 partitions on an usb thumb with gnome disks, and put the data of three different Linux iso's on those. But how do i grub install that thumb to tripple linux installer?
[19:30] <daum> ioria, hm rufus is windows which i don't currently have
[19:31] <ioria> daum, are you on linux ?
[19:31] <estan> ioria: okay, then i misunderstood you, i thought the "yep" meant that hwe will coincide with the .1 release, but i guess it's coming in .2 then.
[19:31] <daum> yeah have dd so can look up that one
[19:31] <ioria> daum, that's better
[19:33] <ioria> daum, btw, is still TBD  (to be defined)
[19:33] <ioria> estan,  btw, is still TBD  (to be defined)
[19:36] <estan> ioria: alright. do you know what page i can keep an eye on to find out when they decide if .1 will have hwe packages or not?
[19:37] <ioria> estan,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[19:37] <daum> ioria, so it starts up sees the boot menu and then yous ee the splash screen as it loads,  to the same error again, unable to find a medium contain a life file system
[19:38] <estan> the two i could find are https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-20.04.1 , but they don't seem to list that kind of information.
[19:39] <estan> i wonder where that omgubuntu.co.uk article got its information.
[19:39] <ioria> daum, might be a bios issue
[19:40] <daum> ioria, do you know what i'd need to enable/disable?
[19:41] <ioria> daum, some bios have a 'bootmanager' options -> Windows or Other
[19:42] <daum> yeah it's set set to "Other OS" for os type, but secure boot tate is enabled
[19:44] <oerheks1> sounds like an UEFI bios, did you install in EFI mode?
[19:44] <oerheks1> !uefi
[19:44] <daum> oerheks1, how'd i get to that mode?  it's a brand new machine so havent' installed anything to that
[19:46] <daum> reading link
[19:46] <ioria> daum, have you tried to just change the usb port ?
[19:47] <oerheks1> also a new machine, check for bios updates
[19:47] <oerheks1> boot manager should show UEFI option
[19:49] <daum> ioria, yes tried the top ones and back ones,
[19:51] <daum> i wonder if it is my usb stick itself, could that be an issue?
[20:24] <Crell> Hi folks. I'm trying to write a shell script that reads lines from a file and takes an action on each line, skipping comment lines. I have it working aside from skipping lines that start with #.  What I've found googling is to use [[ "$line" =~ ^#.*$ ]] && continue , but that is matching nothing for me. Also [ "$line" = "\#*" ] && continue, no luck either. To complicate matters I'm on dash, not bash.  Any pointers for what the incantation is to skip comment
[20:24] <Crell> lines?
[20:26] <sarnold> Crell: what do you want to do with lines thta are mixed comments and instructions?
[20:26] <Crell> It would be lovely to support that, but for now I'm happy with "first character is #, exclude it".
[20:27] <Crell> The specific script is running "git clone --depth=1 $line" for each non-comment line.
[20:27] <sarnold> is it fair game to run the whole input through grep -v first?
[20:28] <Crell> Hm.  Maybe?
[20:28] <Crell> https://gist.github.com/Crell/bf3576849769de76e887b9f18abbf957 - That's the script at the moment.  (It's part of a much larger process, not relevant here.)
[20:31] <sarnold> do be careful of someone giving you a repo named https://example.com/important_repository;rm -rf /
[20:31] <Crell> sarnold: You're suggesting replacing line 7 with done < grep -e # "$file"
[20:32] <Crell> Ha, fair.  Though this runs as part of a build process in a container that is controlled by the customer, so the potential for shenanigans is somewhat limited.
[20:32] <sarnold> good good
[20:32] <Crell> I wanted to allow customers to specify a git repo, or a repo and version number.
[20:32] <anus> Folks when a program is not supported in ubuntu 16.04lts 32 bit is it better to upgrade then spend months waiting for a fix?
[20:32] <sarnold> some "" in the right place would probabvly do the trick for whatever names are given, accidental or intentional
[20:33] <Crell> I suppose it would be a good step to also strip out any line that contains a ; anywhere.    There are much newer LTSes, and the odds of someone spending more effort to support a 4 year old release are low unless you pay them to do so.
[20:35] <anus> LTS pertains only to security updates amirite?
[20:35] <Crell> The L part, I believe so.  I'm not certain, though.
[20:35] <anus> it might be a very small fix tho
[20:35] <Crell> Keeping up with the most recent LTS at least of whatever software you're running is generally good advice.
[20:36] <anus> Not when rig is single core cpu from 2002
[20:36] <sarnold> anus: there's only a limited amount of engineering resources to go around -- if you've got a bug you want fixed, that otherwise doesn't score highly on anyone else's priorities, you might need to prepare a fix for the issue, test it out, etc
[20:36] <anus> everything needed is running fine..just one program refuses to install
[20:37] <Crell> Have you reached out to the developer?
[20:37] <Crell> leftyfb: I'm getting syntax errors with that.  Unexpected token -v
[20:37] <leftyfb> Crell: why are you on dash?
[20:38] <anus> I am not able to join the channel due to conservative aproach to running a channel.
[20:38] <anus> Someone is uptight.
[20:38] <Crell> It's not by choice...
[20:38] <leftyfb> Crell: what OS?
[20:39] <Crell> Debian.  It's what the hosting provider uses.  (Sorry if that's a bit off topic; I thought I just needed generic shell advice, which shouldn't vary *that* much.)
[20:39] <leftyfb> Crell: sorry, you'll need to ask for support in #debian
[20:39] <Crell> shell script syntax varies that much between OSes?
[20:39] <Crell> Er, distros?
[20:40] <leftyfb> Crell: apparently in this case if something as simple as grep not supporting -v
[20:41] <leftyfb> Crell: this is a perfect example as to why we can only support ubuntu and not other distro's
[20:41] <Crell> I think it's more likely a script escaping issue.
[20:41] <BeavisOnFire> Hi
[20:41] <BeavisOnFire> Do you have any idea if Gnome 3.36 runs smoothly with an Intel HD 520 IGPU ?
[20:41] <Crell> On the command line it works fine.
[20:41] <BeavisOnFire> Or should I directly go for MATE ?
[20:59] <frad> I manually downloaded youtube-dl and followed their instructions to install: $ sudo wget https://yt-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl -O /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl and $ sudo chmod a+rx /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl . However if I type youtube-dl on the terminal, nothing has been installed. This is 20.04. Am I missing something?
[21:00] <gildarts> frad: I assume you checked that 1) that folder is on your path, and 2) that the file is actually there?
[21:01] <oerheks1> https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/12260
[21:02] <frad> yes gildarts , that file is in /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl
[21:02] <oerheks1> wrong place
[21:02] <oerheks1> see their topic
[21:02] <oerheks1> which youtube-dl
[21:02] <oerheks1>  /usr/bin/youtube-dl
[21:03] <gildarts> frad: And did you verify that /usr/local/bin is in your path?
[21:03] <frad> what do you mean oerheks1 ? I downloaded it just 2 minutes ago
[21:03] <annihilator> im getting no os found after install ubuntu server. the install media works (tested on another system).  is there anyway to fix that?
[21:04] <oerheks1> frad,  we officially support out repo packages only, we are not reponcible for theirwrong instructions, but i pointed to the answer.
[21:05] <frad> ok
[21:05] <leftyfb> frad: sudo apt install youtube-dl or sudo snap install youtube-dl
[21:05] <leftyfb> frad: that is how you install it on ubuntu
[21:06] <oerheks1> here more answers for that problem, it should not exist .. https://andjey.info/reinstall-youtube-dl-on-ubuntu/
[21:09] <annihilator> i try to reinstall grub but im getting an error failed to get canonical path '/cow'
[21:10] <oerheks1> annihilator, are you sure you have set the bootdevice correct?
[21:11] <annihilator> yes
[21:11] <annihilator> what im not getting is why didnt ubuntu server install grub correctly on the desktop
[21:12] <oerheks1> is this a legacy bios or UEFI?
[21:12] <annihilator> uefi
[21:12] <annihilator> ubuntu desktop installed fine but i dont need a desktop environment installed so i was installing ubuntu server for barebone install
[21:13] <RuntimeError> hello guys
[21:16] <RuntimeError> why is everyone so silent?
[21:16] <leftyfb> RuntimeError: this is a support channel. If you're looking for chatter, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:19] <alexeightsix> hey, im using the latest ubuntu (fresh install) and my OS will often lock up and i'll have to restart the entire machine. It usually happens when my RAM/swap is at a high usage but this never happened before.
[21:19] <alexeightsix> im debating trying another version of ubuntu (18lts) or another distro but im wondering if anyone has any suggestions..
[21:19] <devios> I have a Brother MFC-L2700DW Printer/Scanner/Fax that's connected to my wifi network.  Ubuntu found and prints to it over the network no problem, but I can't seem to find any info on how to use the scanner over the network on Ubuntu.  Its http://192.168.x.x/scan/scan.html feature doesn't seem to work in Chrome or Firefox or even in IE or Edge on a Windows machine, so that's useless.
[21:26] <annihilator> if i installed ubuntu desktop and let that setup the hard drive properly then format all partition and install ubuntu server without modifing partitions would that work?
[21:29] <sarnold> annihilator: that sounds like a lot of work; if you use the server installer you can apt install the desktop you want; if you use the desktop installer, you can apt install the server software you want
[21:29] <annihilator> i dont want gui or any over head
[21:29] <annihilator> thats not needed that is
[21:30] <annihilator> and the problem is ubuntu server is not partitioning the drive correctly to boot
[21:30] <oerheks1> standard ubuntu install is 1 partition and a swapfile, no longer a swap partition
[21:30] <annihilator> ubuntu desktop setups a 3 partitions where as ubuntu server sets up 1
[21:30] <xrandr> Hello, I am looking for help upgrading Ubunu 19.04 to the latest version of ubuntu. The website isn't giving me much help. What is the best way to upgrade?
[21:31] <annihilator> ubuntu desktop boots ubuntu server doesnt
[21:32] <oerheks1> 19.04 is EOL, see EOLupgrade
[21:32] <oerheks1> !eolupgrade
[21:32] <annihilator> unless there is a way to install 18.04 and do a dist upgrade to 20.04
[21:33] <annihilator> and see if 18.04 server works
[21:34] <Poipa> Hey i got this problem when using apt-get update: http://paste.debian.net/1150286/ it looks to be something with the keys but when i try to import the keys manually with gpg i get this error http://paste.debian.net/1150287/ ?
[21:34] <oerheks1> upgradepath 18.04 > 20.04 is not out yet
[21:34] <oerheks1> Poipa, we do not support linux mint
[21:40] <TheTalkingYogurt> hello
[21:40] <xrandr> oerheks1: thank you!
[21:41] <oerheks1> xrandr, have fun!
[21:41] <xrandr> ty
[21:41] <TheTalkingYogurt> is there a way to make the UI less "whitespacey" ? I find Ubuntu very wasteful on padding, and mostly very hard to use on a small-res screen
[21:42] <TheTalkingYogurt> (720p and lower)
[21:42] <lnkcmplxct> when you use apt update && apt upgrade && apt dist-upgrade will ubuntu automatically verify the signature with pgp?
[21:43] <lnkcmplxct> when you install software from the ubuntu repos will it verify the signature with pgp automatically?
[21:43] <sarnold> lnkcmplxct: yes
[21:43] <sarnold> lnkcmplxct: you'll get error messages like this if they fail https://pastebin.com/nmpiaT94
[21:43] <lnkcmplxct> sarnold so I can pressume a classical man in the middle attack is not possible ?
[21:44] <sarnold> lnkcmplxct: yes; you do need to be careful that you add new repository keys very sparingly -- the repository key represents executing code on your computer as root
[21:44] <sarnold> lnkcmplxct: so when you add a new repository key, be very sure you trust whoever controls the key
[21:45] <chucara> Has anyone ever encountered anything like the following: My Ubuntu Server has two network adapters, both set via netplan to DHCP (IPv4). But only one appears to work - it has acquired an IP: <IP_ADDRESS>, However, when I look in my DHCP server, it toggles between x.x.x.9 and x.x.x.10. And when I run dhclient, the other adapter fails to acquire
[21:45] <chucara> anything.
[21:46] <lnkcmplxct> sarnold ty
[22:01] <TheTalkingYogurt> chucara, if you've ever spoofed one of the MACs, your DHCP server may be confused
[22:01] <TheTalkingYogurt> or if there are two different machines requesting the same IP
[22:02] <chucara> I've done no spoofing, but I wouldn't rule out that something is running with a static IP somewhere.
[22:02] <chucara> The mac address doesn't change though
[22:02] <TheTalkingYogurt> try checking the static IP list on the DHCP server and make sure there are no conflicts
[22:03] <chucara> The DHCP was installed today, but it might be an old lease
[22:04] <chucara> Tried rebooting the server, and nothing appears to be running on that IP
[22:06] <chucara> The DHCP server now reports a third IP - x.x.x.124 for the second adapter, but ifconfig just gives me an IPv6 address and nothing else
[22:09] <leftyfb> chucara: why do you have 2 network cards on the same network via dhcp? That's not going to work out the way you think
[22:10] <chucara> Why not? It's working without incident on my NAS?
[22:10] <leftyfb> chucara: why?
[22:10] <leftyfb> chucara: the problem is, they're both trying to set a default route.
[22:11] <leftyfb> chucara: if you want redundancy, then setup bonding across the interfaces and only get and use 1 ip
[22:13] <leftyfb> chucara: what is your reasoning for having 2 network interfaces on the same network and both set to dhcp?
[22:13] <chucara> That was actually the end goal (LinkAggretation), but I figured I'd like to see this working first.
[22:13] <leftyfb> chucara: ok, setup LACP. Don't play with a broken network setup like 2 dhcp interfaces on the same network
[22:13] <chucara> DHCP is more that I'd rather setup fixed IPs in the DHCP server and manage it centrally.
[22:14] <leftyfb> chucara: since your end goal is LACP, just configure that and be done with it
[22:14] <chucara> Ok, I'll just disable this second adapter until I setup LA then. I still find the behavior strange though.
[22:14] <gildarts> I have a similar setup. It is much easier to deal with it if you only have a single cable connected, setup link aggregation, and then attach the second cable.
[22:15] <aoxomoxoa> I'm on 20.4. Is there a way I can resize my file system on my main SSD to make some free space for another distro?
[22:15] <aoxomoxoa> i tried resizing it on disks but it says its mounted. on the ubuntu docs it says that it doesnt matter if it is mounted
[22:15] <aoxomoxoa> so i got confused
[22:15]  * gildarts bought a 4 Ethernet card and uses it for link aggregation.
[22:15] <leftyfb> aoxomoxoa: https://www.howtogeek.com/114503/how-to-resize-your-ubuntu-partitions/
[22:16] <leftyfb> aoxomoxoa: boot to a live cd/usb
[22:16] <chucara> leftyfb, gildarts: Ok, thanks guys. I'll stop worrying about this if the the system stabilizes after this :)
[22:16] <gildarts> s/4/4 port/
[22:16] <aoxomoxoa> yeah i know how to do it that way, but i was trying to do it live without a cd
[22:16] <leftyfb> aoxomoxoa: don't
[22:16] <aoxomoxoa> cause the docs said you could
[22:16] <gildarts> Can and should are much different things.
[22:16] <aoxomoxoa> i figure if as long as the blocks are in the same place it would be alright
[22:20] <oerheks1> no, making partitions bigger can be done from the running system, decreasing needs a live iso.
[22:24] <aoxomoxoa> then why did they add that into their docs?
[22:25] <oerheks1> 'they'?
[22:27] <aoxomoxoa> canonical
[22:27] <TheTalkingYogurt> aoxomoxoa, I honestly can't recommend installing several distros in parallel in 2020 except in edge cases
[22:27] <aoxomoxoa> it was literally in their help docs
[22:27] <oerheks1> show us please?
[22:27] <TheTalkingYogurt> you really should use virtualization
[22:28] <aoxomoxoa> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/disk-resize.html.en
[22:29] <oerheks1> one can resize a partition unmounted, a running system cannot be easily unmounted, that is why you need a live iso. i am sure there are no canonical docs saying different.
[22:29] <leftyfb> aoxomoxoa: do you care about the data on the partition you are resizing?
[22:30] <aoxomoxoa> not really, no. its all backed up on another disk
[22:30] <oerheks1> oh, that doc is certainly curious
[22:30] <aoxomoxoa> right? thats why im confused
[22:31] <TheTalkingYogurt> oerheks1, it's pretty vague: just says "not all filesystems have resize support"
[22:31] <oerheks1> 'To make space for another partition after the filesystem, it can be shrunk according to the free space within it.'  is wrong, imho
[22:31] <oerheks1> yeah, that too, without proper example
[22:31] <TheTalkingYogurt> technically that sentence is true for several filesystems
[22:32] <TheTalkingYogurt> just not _simple_ for ext4
[22:32] <leftyfb> aoxomoxoa: please just take the advice given here and boot to a live cd/usb and do the resizing
[22:32] <aoxomoxoa> well shit
[22:33] <aoxomoxoa> the whole point was to learn how to do it
[22:33] <TheTalkingYogurt> anyway, from a purely practical standpoint, taking the time to do it properly live would properly be longer than rebooting onto a USB stick
[22:33] <aoxomoxoa> im just curious as to how i can resize it while running
[22:33] <oerheks1> shrink? no.
[22:33] <aoxomoxoa> rest in peace
[22:35] <TheTalkingYogurt> aoxomoxoa, you could maybe do it live with a pivot_root ?
[22:36] <TheTalkingYogurt> the system shouldn't freak out as long as / is accessible, no matter where from
[22:38] <TheTalkingYogurt> but for that you'd have to stop all services than are not stricly in RAM, then copy /* somewhere and execute the pivot_root
[22:38] <TheTalkingYogurt> then you can unmount it without rebooting
[22:39] <TheTalkingYogurt> it's quite simple, really
[22:39] <oerheks1> no, it is not simple.
[22:39] <TheTalkingYogurt> but probably a huge hassle
[22:40] <TheTalkingYogurt> oerheks1, you don't think the pivot_root would work ?
[22:41] <TheTalkingYogurt> (I still think virtual machines make more sense)
[22:42] <oerheks1> it can work, sure, but not easy to do.
[22:42] <oerheks1> anyway, i am going to try to get that page rewritten
[22:43] <TheTalkingYogurt> oerheks1, cool :)
[22:45] <Sbur3> Trying to install "Imaginary Teleprompter" on my Ubuntu system.  It was there. Somehow, it is no longer there and I've been trying to re-install it.  Anyone willing to help me?
[22:45] <Sbur3> Or am I in the wrong room to discuss that?
[23:12] <skyliner_369> how come .desktop files look like red squares with a white     ⃠  in the middle
[23:37] <amazoniantoad> What is a pdbase?


[08:23] <asac> hi
[08:33] <fta> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_bench_2008&num=1
[08:36] <asac> yeah ... that was posted somewhere ;)
[08:43] <asac> sqlite is quite3 a big issue for us i think
[08:47] <directhex> some of those numbers seem flat-out silly to me
[08:47] <directhex> but i've long had issues w/ larabel's testing methodology
[08:49] <asac> maybe
[08:51] <directhex> comparing sqlite 3.6.3 fr'example... great, but 7.04 had sqlite 3.3.13
[08:51] <directhex> you can't say "feisty would be zomgfast if you just updated all the apps to the versions in intrepid"
[09:04] <fta> compiler hardening and glibc checking are probably part of it too
[09:09] <asac> ack
[09:09] <asac> well ... sqlite getting slower is a different thing
[09:10] <fta> sqlite for us (moz) or for the whole distro ?
[09:10] <asac> its somehow not comprehensible how sqlite would require so much more CPU for the same
[09:10] <asac> fta: for us and the distro
[09:10] <asac> fta: it probably has the most severe impact for us though
[09:11] <asac> as ffox uses it in a heavy way
[09:11] <fta> it's getting better in 3.1
[09:11] <asac> yeah ... but still if sqlite would be twice as fast
[09:12] <asac> things would become even more snappy
[09:14] <asac> interesting thing is that rhythmbox always opens on _some_ desktop -- which is rarely the current active desktop
[09:17] <fta> everything using the tray is broken for me, file copy in nautilus (gvfs), liferea, rhythmbox, deluge, ... except xchat
[09:17] <asac> in which way?
[09:18] <asac> like what i said for phythmbox?
[09:18] <asac> fta: ?
[09:18] <fta> once open in a workspace, it's impossible to rise it from another workspace
[09:18] <asac> yeah
[09:18] <asac> thtas true
[09:18] <asac> fta: ++
[09:18] <asac> ;)
[09:19] <asac> i think gtk is broken
[09:19] <asac> fta: when did this start for you?
[09:19] <fta> raise
[09:19] <fta> a few months ago
[09:19] <asac> did this happen in this last round of tarballs?
[09:19] <asac> hmm
[09:19] <asac> fta: or maybe its compiz
[09:20] <fta> i fixed liferea with Jazzva once, it's broken again
[09:20] <asac> or aint you using that?
[09:20] <fta> i use metacity
[09:20] <asac> ok so not compiz
[09:20] <asac> i still bet its gtk ;)
[09:21] <asac> fta: what did that liferea fix consist toof?
[09:21] <asac> did someone drop it or is it just not applicable anymore?
[09:24] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/63562/
[09:25] <asac> looks like a hack
[09:26] <asac> like something that is predestined to break ;)
[09:26] <fta> yes, but GDK_WINDOW_STATE_ICONIFIED means different things
[09:26] <asac> its dumb
[09:26] <asac> yeah i can imagine that
[09:26] <fta> i checked the doc at that time
[09:27] <fta> if you feel like fixing all this...
[09:27] <fta> i wonder why noone else complained
[09:27] <asac> me? ... gtk folks think they are perfect ;)
[09:28] <asac> fta: most likely there are a bunch of bugs open
[09:29] <asac> fta: just not filed against gtk+2.0, but agains the individual apps
[09:29] <asac> ok ... have to move ... bbi10min
[13:16] <jcastro> asac: fta: plenty of room for mozilla team sessions for openweek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[13:28] <asac> bummer
[16:15] <asac> [reed]: you think you could lend me an hour or so for getting info on the EAP thing?
[16:16] <[reed]> sure
[16:16] <[reed]> now is ok
[16:17] <[reed]> asac: now ok for you?
[16:23] <asac> [reed]: \o/ ;) yeah.
[16:24] <asac> [reed]: so its still failing right?
[16:24] <asac> [reed]: when trying to connect and it fails, what do you see in /var/log/wpa_supplicant.log (maybe to a tail it)
[16:25] <[reed]> yes, though I've gotten it to work twice randomly (but never was able to get it working immediately after that... very sporadic)
[16:25] <[reed]> but that's twice in like 2-3 weeks
[16:25] <[reed]> :(
[16:25] <asac> urgh. scares me :/
[16:25] <asac> [reed]: anyway ;)
[16:26] <asac> [reed]: there is a bunch of users that report it as working with wpa_supplicant, so i hope we can find a fix
[16:27] <[reed]> let me restart to get a blank slate
[16:29] <asac> yeah. though lets hope that thats on necessary ;)
[16:30] <[reed]> oh, have my weekly call with my manager now, so give me about 5-10 min.
[16:31] <asac> [reed]: sure ;)
[16:34] <[reed]> asac: he hasn't called yet, so I'll post some logs
[16:34] <[reed]> give me a sec
[16:34] <asac> cool ;)
[16:37] <reed> asac: http://reed.pastebin.mozilla.org/563417
[16:38] <asac> reed: ok so what kind of network is that? PEAP?
[16:39] <reed> otp
[16:44] <[reed]> ok, back
[16:44] <[reed]> yeah, PEAP
[16:45] <asac> [reed]: ok. so there should be in syslog a few lines where NM dumps the parameters it sends to wpa
[16:45] <asac> [reed]: do you see those?
[16:45] <reed> http://reed.pastebin.mozilla.org/563420
[16:46] <reed> msu1x is 802.1x... msstate.edu is just a normal open wifi net that requires me to VPN
[16:46] <asac> reed: so how was that connection setup? just started NM and selected the AP? or did you already tweak stuff manually in connection editor=
[16:46] <asac> ?
[16:47] <reed> no manual tweaking
[16:47] <reed> just started NM
[16:47] <reed> I can delete the two APs
[16:47] <reed>  and start from scratch
[16:47] <reed> if it would help
[16:47] <asac> reed: could you try to create a connection and manually configure stuff?
[16:47] <reed> pretty sure I already tried that, though
[16:47] <asac> reed: tried that?
[16:48] <reed> hmm
[16:48] <reed> not sure
[16:48] <reed> ok, give me a sec to test
[16:48] <asac> reed: yeah. if you look at wpasupp log
[16:48] <asac> reed: you see that NM tries to force peapver=1 and wpasupplicant complains about that
[16:48] <asac> might be a red herring, but in supplicant code it just return NULL; if it sees that
[16:49] <asac> so might contribute here
[16:49] <asac> reed: i looked at NM applet and the only other option available is peap version 0 ... so trying that would be a first stab
[16:49] <reed> tried that
[16:50] <asac> reed: can you try and see if that error goes away in wpasupplicant.log (this would mean its a red herring ;))
[16:51] <[reed]> yeah, I don't see any error about peap v1 in wpasupplicant.log
[16:51] <[reed]> when using 0
[16:51] <[reed]> but still doesn't work
[16:51] <[reed]> :)
[16:53] <asac> [reed]: you have a log with ver 0? or is its just the same but without that error?
[16:53] <reed_> same but without error
[16:53] <reed_> http://reed.pastebin.mozilla.org/563423 is syslog of disconnect from msstate.edu, attempt connect to msu1x, fail
[16:54] <reed_> this is the only thing in wpasupplicant.log for msstate.edu -> msu1x -> fail
[16:54] <reed_> CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED - Disconnect event - remove keys
[16:54] <reed_> No network configuration found for the current AP
[16:54] <reed_> CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED - Disconnect event - remove keys
[16:54] <reed_> CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
[16:55] <asac> reed: i think we need a more verbose wpasupplicant.log, but first lets try if it really works without NM
[16:55] <asac> in /etc/network/interfaces add something like:
[16:55] <asac> iface eth1 inet dhcp wpa-conf /path/to/wpa_supplicant.conf
[16:55] <asac> oops
[16:55] <asac> again:
[16:55] <asac> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[16:56] <asac> wpa-conf /path/to/wpa_supplicant.conf
[16:56] <asac> and create a wpa_supplicant.conf at the configured path with:
[16:56] <asac> reed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63679/
[16:57] <[reed]> I removed the ca line
[16:57] <[reed]> what about peaplabel?
[16:57] <asac> not sure :/
[16:58] <asac> reed: keep it ... and if it doesnt work remove  ;)
[16:58] <[reed]> ok, now what?
[16:58] <asac> reed: so ... if you have that stop NM sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager stop
[16:58] <asac> and try to ifup your interface
[16:58] <asac> sudo ifup wlan0 (given wlan0 is your interface.name)
[16:59] <asac> here is another PEAP example with label=0 http://linux.die.net/man/5/wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:00] <[reed]> it's just doing DHCPDISCOVER a ton
[17:00] <[reed]> never getting an IP
[17:01] <asac> reed: bug 290337
[17:01] <asac> that contains a conf someone said worked
[17:01] <[reed]> looking
[17:01] <asac> reed: but its supposed to do dhcp right? or do you have static stuff?
[17:01] <[reed]> supposed to do DHCP
[17:01] <[reed]> let me get rid of phase1
[17:02] <asac> yeah
[17:02] <asac> try that
[17:02] <asac> there are bunch in the messy master bug (the second) that say that it works manually (e.g. like what we try now)
[17:03] <[reed]> hmm, nm-system-settings and wpa_supplicant are both running even though I've ifdown'd the iface
[17:03] <[reed]> is that ok?
[17:03] <asac> reed: oh right
[17:04] <asac> reed: settings is ok
[17:04] <asac> but wpasupplicant might fight over the interface with the manual one
[17:04] <asac> so killall wpasupplicant
[17:04] <asac> check that none is runnig and try ifup wlan0
[17:04] <asac> (first ifdown wlan0 if it refuses to do stuff)
[17:05] <[reed]> how can I make sure of the SSID I'm connected to?
[17:05] <asac> reed: iwconfig
[17:05] <asac> should spit out the current state
[17:06] <reed__> yep
[17:06] <reed__> I'm on msu1x
[17:06] <asac> so works
[17:06] <asac> cool
[17:06] <reed__> yep
[17:06] <reed__> so, it's NM's fault ;)
[17:06] <asac> reed: obviously ;)
[17:06] <asac> reed__: but thats good ;)
[17:06] <asac> reed__: can you insert exactly what you see in the paste?
[17:07] <reed__> see in syslog or what?
[17:07] <asac> reed__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63686/
[17:07] <asac> reed__: i think the keys should match (maybe its _ replaced by -)
[17:07] <reed__> ah
[17:07] <reed__> ok
[17:07] <reed__> disconnecting... will try now
[17:12] <[reed]> just getting DHCPDISCOVER
[17:12] <[reed]> over and over
[17:12] <[reed]> so, I guess you want me to comment out a row by row
[17:13] <[reed]> and figure out which one is breaking it? :)
[17:13] <[reed]> or do you have some ideas
[17:13] <asac> [reed]: so what do you have now?
[17:13] <asac> [reed]: i assume you didnt have group/pairwise lines before? remove those two first
[17:13] <asac> and proto too i guess
[17:14] <[reed]> network={
[17:14] <[reed]> 	ssid="msu1x"
[17:14] <[reed]> 	scan_ssid=1
[17:14] <[reed]> 	key_mgmt=WPA-EAP
[17:14] <[reed]> 	proto="WPA RSN"
[17:14] <[reed]> 	pairwise="TKIP CCMP"
[17:14] <[reed]> 	group="WEP40 WEP104 TKIP CCMP"
[17:15] <[reed]> 	fragment_size=1300
[17:15] <[reed]> 	eap=PEAP
[17:15] <[reed]> 	identity="myusername"
[17:15] <[reed]> 	password="mypassword"
[17:15] <[reed]> 	phase1="peapver=0"
[17:15] <[reed]> 	phase2="auth=MSCHAPV2"
[17:15] <[reed]> }
[17:15] <[reed]> that's what I have right now (had to type it since my other laptop isn't connected right now)
[17:15] <[reed]> I'll remove group, pairwise, and proto now
[17:16] <asac> yeah
[17:17] <[reed]> oh, just noticed this on ifup
[17:17] <[reed]> wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start
[17:17] <asac> [reed]: you need to ifdown first?
[17:17] <[reed]> I did
[17:17] <asac> [reed]: is a wpasupplicant running?
[17:17] <[reed]> no
[17:17] <asac> maybe kill it to be sure ;)
[17:17] <asac> hmm
[17:17] <[reed]> ps x | grep -i wpa
[17:17] <[reed]> returns nothing
[17:17] <[reed]> let me try again
[17:18] <asac> [reed]: hmm i think you dont need the " for proto and pairwise and group
[17:18] <asac> might even be illegal
[17:18] <asac> as its a list of strings rather than one string
[17:18] <[reed]> well, getting that error after removing those, too
[17:19] <asac> example config suggests things like:  group=CCMP TKIP WEP104 WEP40
[17:19] <[reed]> oh, maybe I didn't save that
[17:19] <[reed]> ok, didn't get the error that time
[17:20] <[reed]> still have group, proto, and pairwise in file
[17:20] <[reed]> it's doing DHCPDISCOVER
[17:20] <[reed]> let's see if it gets an IP
[17:20] <asac> hopefully not ;)
[17:21] <reed__> http://reed.pastebin.mozilla.org/563434
[17:21] <reed__> it got an ip :(
[17:22] <asac> reed__: ok but took some time :/
[17:22] <reed__> yeah
[17:22] <asac> reed__: does it always work?
[17:22] <reed__> checking
[17:22] <asac> like ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0 ?
[17:23] <asac> reed__: also how long does it about take to get that IP?
[17:25] <[reed]> it worked again the second time, but not third time... trying again
[17:26] <[reed]> didn't work that time either
[17:26] <asac> reed__: checked that wpasupplicant isnt running ;)
[17:26] <asac> ?
[17:26] <[reed]> not running
[17:26] <asac> reed__: ok. i think thats enough empirical data. when it worked, how long did it take?
[17:27] <[reed]> took a while... at least 30 seconds... probably closer to a minute
[17:27] <asac> more like 3 seconds or 10 or 30?
[17:27] <asac> reed__: ok
[17:27] <asac> reed__: can you drop the stuff we discussed now?
[17:27] <[reed]> if it fails, it takes 1m14s
[17:27] <[reed]> drop proto, group, pairwise?
[17:27] <[reed]> and try again?
[17:27] <asac> yes
[17:27] <[reed]> ok
[17:28] <asac> reed__: do you remember how long it took for the first attempt that worked? (e.g. the simple config)?
[17:28] <[reed]> it was super quick
[17:28] <[reed]> I remember that
[17:28] <asac> cool
[17:29] <asac> reed__: ok, lets drop the default group... stuff for now
[17:29] <[reed]> ok, got an ip, but it took five DHCPDISCOVERs and `time ifup wlan0` returned 46.434s
[17:30] <asac> [reed]: hmm. so thats with the dropped proto... stuff?
[17:30] <[reed]> yes
[17:30] <[reed]> that's with proto, pairwise, and group removed
[17:30] <asac> reed__: do you still have the "simplish" config and could check whether its still snappy?
[17:30] <[reed]> sure
[17:30] <asac> maybe try two or three times
[17:30] <asac> sometimes the driver is in bad shape ;)
[17:32] <[reed]> hmm, didn't work
[17:32] <[reed]> let me try again
[17:37] <[reed]> can't get it to work again
[17:37] <[reed]> :(
[17:39] <asac> reed__: urgh .... so maybe driver state busted?
[17:40] <asac> reed__: try ifdown wlan0 ....
[17:40] <asac> sudo modprobe -v -r iwlang
[17:40] <asac> and
[17:40] <asac> sudo modprobe -v iwlang
[17:40] <[reed]> iwlang not found
[17:40] <asac> err iwlagn ;)
[17:40]  * asac  remembers iwl-agn :)
[17:41] <[reed]> worked... took 37.438s and four DHCPDISCOVERs
[17:42] <[reed]> with simple config
[17:43] <asac> reed__: ok. not really a sprint, but ok
[17:43] <asac> reed__: can you try to do the same one more time for the full (with all) and the group/pairwise/.. stripped conf?
[17:43] <asac> e.g. remove driver first
[17:43] <[reed]> sure
[17:48] <[reed]> I've apparently locked up my laptop
[17:48] <[reed]> awesomne
[17:49] <[reed]> yep
[17:49] <[reed]> locked up
[17:49] <[reed]> restarting now
[17:49] <[reed]> grrr
[17:49] <[reed]> "System policy prevents restarting the system when other users are logged in"
[17:49] <[reed]> no, that's such a lie
[17:49] <[reed]> I'm the only one logged in
[17:50] <asac> yeah sorry. doing driver stuff always has the risk
[17:50] <asac> of locking stuff up
[17:50] <asac> intel drivers are just getting worse the more those folks work on them
[18:00] <[reed]> asac: so, group, pairwise, etc. removed and driver restarted took 44.393s
[18:00] <[reed]> and worked
[18:03] <asac> [reed]: doesnt sound convincing ;)
[18:03] <[reed]> yeah
[18:04] <asac> [reed]: ok thanks for testing now. most likely its a combination of driver/timeout tuning/dont passing defaults for group, ... when not needed
[18:04] <asac> will bring up a test package for the latter two soon and let you know ;)
[18:06] <[reed]> ok
[18:11] <asac> [reed]: ok so the timeout is 25 seconds. if you want you could spin your own network-manager package and see if tuning that to ugly 60 seconds helps you to connect more frequently ;)
[18:11] <asac> the other thing i will try is to remove the defaults for group/pairwise, etc. so in the end its quicker
[18:13] <jerone-mobile> asac: Trying to set the default homepage for firefox .. what is the best way .. I hear you would know
[18:13] <asac> [reed]: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63698/
[18:13] <asac> [reed]: apt-get source network-manager; sudo apt-get build-dep network-manager; cd network-manager-*/; patch -p0 < /tmp/thispatchthings.txt; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
[18:14] <jerone-mobile> asac: we are trying to set the homepage to be "www.igoogle.com" (which is mozilla blessed) .. but there is no clear way to do it .. tyring /etc/firefox-3.0/prefs/firefox.js turns up no luck .. ubufox seems to override setting the homepage
[18:14] <[reed]> asac: ok, trying
[18:14] <asac> jerone-mobile: yeah. in intrepid there is an example in /etc/firefox-3.0/pref/ubufox.js
[18:15] <asac> jerone-mobile: also look at the .properties fiel reffed therein
[18:16] <asac> [reed]: i hope i catched the right timeout-knob ... there are a bunch of different timeouts, but from code this looks like it and the syslog you pasted also seems to be 25s when it gives up
[18:17] <jerone-mobile> asac: ok tried that .. this is with hardy .. and it didn't seem to work I put: pref("browser.startup.homepage","http://www.igoogle.com");     in /etc/firefox-3.0/pref/firefox.js
[18:17] <asac> jerone-mobile: then look closer ;)
[18:17] <asac> the example is different
[18:18] <jerone-mobile> asac: ah I see has to be a properties file
[18:18] <asac> jerone-mobile: yeah
[18:19] <asac> [reed]: -p0 is of course none-sense ;) -p1 but i guess you found that out ;)
[18:24] <jcastro> asac: one more slot left for openweek, sure you don't want it?
[18:24] <jcastro> asac: you can do 3g!
[18:27] <[reed]> asac: gimme a bit... I'm freezing
[18:27]  * [reed] gets a coat
[18:27] <[reed]> it's 50F
[18:27] <[reed]> :(
[18:28] <asac> jcastro: thanks for the reminders. i think i will skip this open week (i participated every week so far!!). too busy and i will start a holiday in that week ;)
[18:28] <jcastro> yeah, I hear ya.
[18:29] <asac> next time i will swamp you ;)
[18:30] <jcastro> heh
[18:32] <[reed]> asac: it's building now
[18:34] <[reed]> asac: ok, does dpkg-buildpackage install it and such?
[18:36] <asac> [reed]: no
[18:36] <asac> [reed]: cd ..; sudo dpkg -i network-manager*.deb libnm-*.deb
[18:37] <[reed]> ok
[18:37] <asac> [reed]: then comment stuff in /etc/network/interfaces (otherwise your device would be unmanaged in NM) and restart NM
[18:37] <[reed]> ok
[18:37] <asac> sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart ;)
[18:37] <[reed]> yeah
[18:38] <[reed]> I know that :p
[18:38] <asac> [reed]: if it doesnt work oob give driveres a chance and restart system
[18:38] <jerone-mobile> asac: hmm.. well even doing the file way it seems ubufox takes over the homepage and makes it start.ubuntu.com/8.04 .. maybe this is something that only works with the Interpid build .. I'm trying to get it working in UNR 1.01 (based on hardy) with firefox-3.0.3 .. but no love .. any other ways?
[18:38] <asac> [reed]: you can verify that the new timeout is used by checking that the applet spins for about a minute obviously
[18:39] <asac> jerone-mobile: that "ubufox" win thing is fixed in intrepid, yes.
[18:39] <asac> jerone-mobile: you can backport that fix to your ubufox package easily though
[18:39] <jerone-mobile> asac: ok good to know I can ask someone to backport it
[18:40] <asac> jerone-mobile: give the guy who does this the following info: cherry-pick rev 80-81 from branch https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubufox/ubuntu.intrepid ... to your packaging branch
[18:41] <jerone-mobile> asac: big thanks!
[18:41] <asac> welcome
[18:41] <asac> jerone-mobile: the ubufox win bug is 259914
[18:41] <asac> (as documented in changlog/commit)
[18:43] <[reed]> asac: wooo
[18:43] <[reed]> it connected
[18:47] <asac> [reed]: how long did it take?
[18:49] <[reed]> a whiler
[18:49] <asac> [reed]: also please double check that this still works after reboot and i will send out packages to the bug-mob ;)
[18:49] <[reed]> yeah
[18:49] <[reed]> I will
[18:49] <[reed]> going to class
[18:49] <[reed]> will try there
[18:49] <asac> [reed]: its ridiculous ... 45seconds to connect
[18:50] <asac> [reed]: cool
[18:50] <asac> thanks a bunch
[18:50] <asac> too late for final unfortunately, but i am currently accumulating a bunch of fixes for a stable update to send out in the beginning
[18:51] <jerone-mobile> asac: are you and reed talking about wireless time out .. I see this issue actually from time to time .. it's not giving it enough time to get the dhcp address .. but then I try it a second time and it works
[18:51] <asac> jerone-mobile: what kind of net?
[18:51] <jerone-mobile> asac: wireless
[18:51] <jerone-mobile> asac: wireless 802.11n with WPA2
[18:51] <asac> jerone-mobile: lol
[18:51] <asac> jerone-mobile: what kind of wpa?
[18:51] <asac> eap?
[18:51] <asac> or psk?
[18:51] <asac> which driver?
[18:52] <jerone-mobile> asac: iwlagn
[18:52] <asac> yeah ok
[18:52] <asac> jerone-mobile: is that PSK?
[18:52] <jerone-mobile> asac: eap
[18:52] <asac> jerone-mobile: what kind of eap?
[18:52] <asac> peap? ttls?
[18:53] <asac> jerone-mobile: do you run that in the office? (are you in an office at all?)
[18:53] <jerone-mobile> asac: actually it's just WPA2 Personal
[18:53] <asac> jerone-mobile: ok
[18:53] <asac> jerone-mobile: thats even more crazy
[18:53] <asac> jerone-mobile: multiple APs with the same ESSID?
[18:53] <asac> e.g. roaming?
[18:53] <jerone-mobile> asac: nope just one
[18:54] <asac> jerone-mobile: whats you lp id?
[18:54] <jerone-mobile> asac: I've seen it 3 times .. and it's allways after a cold boot.
[18:54] <jerone-mobile> asac: jerone
[18:54] <asac> jerone-mobile: ok i subscribe you to a WPA-EAP bug where i will send timeout tuned packages soon ;)
[18:54] <asac> done
[18:54] <asac> bug 272185
[18:54] <jerone-mobile> asac: ok
[18:55] <asac> jerone-mobile: not sure. but if its really timeout it should also fix you
[19:04] <asac> [reed]: another interesting thing to see would be if things become much quicker when only the right values for group/pairwise/... are setup in wpasupplicant.conf
[19:04] <asac> [reed]: if you feel like playing around with it, I would appreciate that input
[19:05] <asac> (reason: when its much quicker then its a wpasupplicant bug, otherwise most likely a driver thing)
[20:47] <jerone-mobile> asac: so it look like customization is actually broken in intrepid .. while ubufox no longer over rides the homepage .. if you try to set the homepage .. you get no default home page at all
[20:50] <asac> jerone-mobile: well. it works here ;)
[20:50] <asac> jerone-mobile: just remove the comment from the example
[20:50] <jerone-mobile> asac: hmmm
[20:50] <asac> that should work
[20:50] <asac> the example .properties is also there
[20:51] <jerone-mobile> asac: yeah I'm trying it on my laptop now and when I add an entry into ubufox.js  .. I get nothing .. yeah I did the example file way .. let me do an update
[20:55] <asac> an update?
[20:55] <asac> jerone-mobile: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63758/
[20:55] <asac> thats what i have
[20:55] <asac> jerone-mobile: take care that you must not have a "local" ubufox installed in your profile
[21:09] <jerone-mobile> asac: ok I got it .. not sure what I was doing wrong .. but thanks
[21:18] <asac> jerone-mobile: cool. welcome.
[21:19] <fta> W: GPG error: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ECDCAD72428D7C01
[21:19] <fta> \o/
[21:26] <asac> fta: yeah. final bump
[21:26] <asac> fta: paste that in -devel ;) ... maybe someone reacts
[21:26] <fta> now, same thing for ppas would be nice
[21:26] <asac> fta: huh?
[21:27] <fta> ddebs repo was not signed
[21:27] <asac> ah ;)
[21:27] <asac> ok
[21:27]  * asac never noticed (scary)
[21:27] <asac> oh yeah i noticed ;)
[21:27] <asac> now that you say it ;)
[21:28] <asac> ok ... using NM on a server install ;)
[21:28] <asac> now i just have to think whether i want to migrate my mailsystem to that thing
[21:30] <fta> i upgraded my desktop at work from hardy to intrepid, now, it's dead
[21:31] <asac> fta: yeah. you should have used NM ;)
[21:31] <fta> it was fine up to the reboot, but now, i can't login, neither gdm nor console.
[21:31] <asac> i mean 0.7 :)
[21:32] <fta> nope, it's not the network
[21:32] <asac> fta: you say it also is dead when sitting in front of it?
[21:32] <fta> it seems there's not enough memory to start the login shell
[21:32] <asac> sounds ... erm, unlikely
[21:32] <fta> indeed
[21:32] <asac> fta: what happens?
[21:33] <fta> it's stuck after the password
[21:34] <fta> i will retry tomorrow, but now, the box ping but i can't ssh it
[21:34] <asac> fta: use nfs?
[21:34] <fta> nope
[21:34] <asac> for home or something?`
[21:34] <asac> ok
[21:34] <asac> then no clue
[21:34] <fta> me neither
[21:34] <asac> when you see that you should report it i guess
[21:35] <fta> it's difficult to explain
[21:47] <fta> huge split, we were just 3 on my side :)
[21:54] <fta> http://ppa-search.appspot.com/
[22:06] <asac> @time


[00:12] <rti^> When I ran Ubuntu from the boot CD to test it out, my iPhone 5 with iOS 6.1.4 would mount and I could sync it. However, when I installed Ubuntu I am no longer able to do this. Any idea why?
[00:13] <Unit193> !iphone | Never used an iPhone, but this page may help.
[00:13] <rti^> !rockbox
[08:57] <lost-user> hello
[08:57] <lost-user> anybody awake ?
[09:00] <lost-user> I've got coffee and cookies
[09:00] <lost-user> :)
[09:05] <lost-user> I'll ask my question so when ppl are afk and come back can reply if they can / like
[09:09] <lost-user> I am using ubuntu 12.04 . My problem is with the network ( read network manager) If I go to Applications - System Tools - Administration - Net work tools and start that up. Devices (Ethernet interface (et0) - configure - add IPV4 Settings everything is greyed out the has dfaulted to dhcp and I can not change anything.
[09:13] <lost-user> Also if I start nm-connection-editor from a term the end result is the same all is greyed out. However I get the following error message: *(* (nm-connection-editor:2082): WARNING **: Could not initialize NMClient /org/freedesktop/NetowrkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files (sorry for any typos)
[09:13] <lost-user> anybody any idea how to solve this pls ?
[09:25] <lost-user> hmmmmzzz
[09:27] <lost-user> when using : sudo NetworkManager ---no-daemon i can adjust NetworkManager and reset the network specs for eth0. However I need to keep that running otherwise I loose my connection again
[09:28] <lost-user> option is: --no=daemon
[09:28] <lost-user> darn
[09:28] <lost-user> --no-daemon
[09:29] <Unit193> You could try sudo service network-manager restart, but I don't see that helping.
[09:31] <lost-user> Hi an dthank you for that idea. I have the nm-applet back on top bar and I have a net work connection. Looking at this it seems like NM is not starting at boot
[09:45] <lost-user> ok solved:)
[09:46] <lost-user> again thank you for your idea to run: NetworkManager restart
[09:46] <lost-user> that was a great help to me
[09:48] <lost-user> reason for the greyed out part is that there was to much noise inside the interfaces file. After removing that and leaving only : auto lo - ifacelo inet loopback NetworkManager could normally load without problems. Your idea helped me a lot thank you again Unit1923 !! :)
[09:50] <lost-user> oops Unit 193 I mean
[09:50] <lost-user> darn
[09:50] <lost-user> Unit193
[09:50] <Unit193> Ah, cool.  Glad you got it.
[09:51] <lost-user> bye and again thank you for your help
[13:54] <prasen> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[13:54] <prasen> plz help
[14:24] <rgargente> hi all
[14:24] <rgargente> i have a problem associating a program to a file type, i have tried many solutions without success
[14:24] <rgargente> anyone can help?
[17:20] <yeehi> I have a permission denied error when I try the following command: sudo cat isoimage.iso > /dev/sdX


[03:29] <Holler> quick question
[03:29] <Holler> how to make user login DIRECTLY in his home directory and not anywhere else @ ssh
[03:41] <joeb3_> Holler, http://allanfeid.com/content/creating-chroot-jail-ssh-access
[08:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:52] <RoyK> gd mrnng
[08:53] <lordievader> ;)
[08:53] <RoyK> gss vwls wll cm ltr
[08:54] <lordievader> Haven't had enough coffee for that sentence :P
[08:58] <RoyK> (guess vowels will come later)
[08:59] <lordievader> Ah, there they are :P
[08:59] <RoyK> woke up too early - it's a day off before a day off before new year's eve and a weekend
[09:19] <EmilienM> jamespage: hello, any idea when can I install mitaka on trusty with proposed repo?
[10:39] <Walex2> EmilienM: don't know, but is that the "4D universe modeler"?
[10:39] <Walex2> http://4d2u.nao.ac.jp/html/program/mitaka/index_E.html
[12:37] <jamespage> EmilienM, hopefully by end of next week
[14:17] <Holler> yeah... i'm back
[14:18] <Holler> How can I make the user login in his own home directory and not anywhere else? How can I be sure?
[14:18] <maswan> A login requires more than just the home directory (shell, userspace tools, etc), so no.
[14:20] <Holler> Can I understand more about shells?
[14:20] <maswan> Yes.
[14:20] <maswan> That would be a good starting point.
[14:20] <Holler> One more thing
[14:21] <Holler> Ever heard of GADMIN-PROFTPD?
[14:21] <maswan> Are you talking about ftps for file transfers and not login (i.e. ssh or local)?
[14:22] <maswan> Then chroot is the thing to setup support for
[14:22] <Holler> Yeah, there's a problem with gadmin-proftpd, it says no uppercase letters allowed but I don't have any uppercase letters anywhere in settings...
[14:22] <Holler> weird
[14:25] <RoyK> just don't use ftp
[14:25] <Holler> What about doing all that restrictions in openssh? Is it difficult?
[14:26] <RoyK> Holler: you can setup chroot with openssh, but what's the point? just set the permissions right and the user can't do much anyway
[14:26] <Holler> Yep, I tried permissions yesterday
[14:26] <Holler> If you may, I can tell you what went wrong
[14:26] <RoyK> "tried"?
[14:27] <Holler> Yep, experimented
[14:27] <RoyK> chmod go-rwx -R /home
[14:27] <RoyK> and ta-taa - no users can read any other users' data
[14:31] <Holler> well that might work but my problem extends more than that, I there are folders other than user's home that I want them to access and not access
[14:31] <Holler> I must manually do it
[14:48] <RoyK> Holler: the default system config is rather secure as it is - what sort of other folders?
[14:51] <Holler> game server files in home
[14:51] <Holler> I want them to access SOME files, not all
[15:12] <RoyK> Holler: then set the permissions correctly ;)
[15:12] <RoyK> Holler: if you chroot the user to $HOME, they won't have any chance of accessing /home/somewhereelse
[15:13] <RoyK> or *anywhere* else outside $HOME
[15:23] <Holler> oh no
[15:23] <Holler> what should I do to make them only access /home/somewhere/thisthing on logging in?
[22:07] <blizzow> I plugged the second network card on a few servers into a second switch.  The main NIC is <IP_ADDRESS> and my router is plugged into that switch.  I've tried to configure my second network card as <IP_ADDRESS> but when I do ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>, I lose all network connectivity.  How should I configure my second network card to be on a second LAN and not mow my eth0 traffic over?