 yeah me too
[04:25] <mmikowski> fenris[m]1, RikMills[m]: is System Settings > Displays interface fixed?
[05:16] <fenris[m]1> Haven't attached to the monitor yet
[05:17] <fenris[m]1> But in wayland on 4k screen , I didn't face freeze @ greyish screen
[05:23] <mmikowski> fenris[m]1: Thanks! If I can get it on 22.04, I'll let you know how X11 goes.
[05:41] <fenris[m]1> U facing the same before?
[05:41] <fenris[m]1> s/facing/faced/
[07:04] <mmikowski> fenris[m]1: no, but multi-display interface was sticky, where one could not select or move screen icons in interface.
 wayland felt laggy compared to x11 : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/7841ea73/image_2023_06_22_16_19_35.png
 plus while lunching the apps


[07:45] <mup> Bug #1958919 changed: Feature Request: Automatically refresh KVM hosts' guest list <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958919>
[07:57] <mup> Bug #1958919 opened: Feature Request: Automatically refresh KVM hosts' guest list <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958919>
[08:00] <mup> Bug #1958919 changed: Feature Request: Automatically refresh KVM hosts' guest list <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958919>


 Hey guys if I install Kubuntu 18.10 beta now would I be able to upgrade to the LTS version later easily?
 I’m assuming I would but wanted to check first. 🤔
[00:25] <krytarik> !final | @griphook
 Sweet thanks
 Does anyone know how I see all of the ppas I have on my system in Kubuntu?
[03:33] <IrcsomeBot1> 1 2 was added by: 1 2
[05:06] <IrcsomeBot1> <Phil Linux> @ace_player, As far as I heared there will not be a new Plasma Version for 18.04 because that would also need a new version of QT.
[06:01] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:11] <kalikatz> good evening
[06:40] <IrcsomeBot1> <Phil Linux> Good morning!
 @phillipprado, Muon>Settings>Configure Software Sources>Other Software … In Discover click on Settings then on the burger button in the right top corner then software settings>other software
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 @weltimeister, 👍👍👍
[14:31] <bane500> Can anybody help me configure my graphics drivers on my kubuntu :X
[14:31] <bane500> my syslog is currently going bananas after trying to install the nvidia driver
[14:32] <hateball> bane500: how did you try installing it?
[14:32] <hateball> and what kind of setup do you have
[14:32] <hateball> eg GPU/computer
[14:33] <bane500> through the little display popup but here are the errors I'm receiving: https://snag.gy/7eOLl5.jpg
[14:33] <bane500> hateball: And thanks for taking the time to help
[14:35] <bane500> hateball: Here is what ubuntu-drivers devices output
[14:35] <bane500> https://snag.gy/v41UOy.jpg
[14:37] <bane500> Any idea why it's using 3 different drivers lol
[14:41] <hateball> bane500: that just shows which drivers are available to the device
[14:42] <hateball> bane500: "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" *should* install nvidia-390 and blacklist nouveau as needed
[14:42] <bane500> hateball: ah okay
[14:42] <bane500> so i just need to reboot then?
[14:42] <hateball> bane500: you need to reboot after driver install yes
[14:42] <hateball> or well, reload modules, but rebooting is quicker usually
[14:43] <hateball> as you need to reload modules and xorg anyhow
[14:44] <bane500> hateball: Ah i see... hopefully I can log back in lol
[14:44] <bane500> yep
[14:45] <bane500> let's see if syslog is still going crazy
[14:46] <bane500> works great
[14:46] <bane500> thanks so much
[14:47] <hateball> :)
[21:21] <TJ-> What's the default Bluetooth manager in Kubuntu?
[21:26] <bprompt> TJ-:    I'm on 16.04 and that'd be KDE Connect, will be in the System Tools menu
[21:26] <bprompt> but of course, the hardware must have a bluetooth adapter for that to show up there
[21:26] <TJ-> I'm helping a user in #ubuntu - we just figured out it should be bluedevil
[21:27] <TJ-> it seems it isn't showing up although the BT hardware is up and available
[21:29] <bprompt> TJ-:   could be that it might be turned off, like a Wifi, you can always disable it by keyboard-combination or just a small switch on the side of the machine, I don't have bluetooth on this one, so nothing shows up in kde connect
[21:29] <bprompt> no all laptops have a bluetooth adapter
[21:30] <TJ-> bprompt: yeah, we've covered that. This is a desktop system with built-in. Original issue was the BT hardware not showing up at all. Now we've got it to show up and bind to btusb, and we have the hci, and can control it from bluetoothctl, but some issues with controlling it from GUI apps
[21:31] <bprompt> k
[21:49] <valorie> kde-connect does not control bluetooth!
[21:50] <valorie> the manager is in systemsettings
[21:51] <valorie> I'm not sure that kdeconnect uses bluetooth yet -- it works on shared networks
[21:56] <TJ-> We've had the weirdest issue with BT there; finally it appears to be working but you wouldn't believe how we fixed it
[22:20] <kinghat> can i remove installed java/jdk(version 10) and then install jdk 11 from the repo and the links will point to java/javac 11?
[23:14] <genii> kinghat: Alternately, if you just install jdk11 it's install scripts should just do that for you
[23:14] <kinghat> genii: is it odd that installing `openjdk-11-jdk` prints that 10.0.2 is installed for java/javac http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e4f92a84/ but the SDK in intellij IDEA shows: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3lsVts5P/image.png
[23:15] <genii> In this case sounds more like you need to tell the SDK differently
[23:15] <genii> You could try update-alternatives method for all the java things and see what options it has
[23:16] <kinghat> `sudo update-alternatives --config java`?
[23:17] <genii> I forget the exact syntax
[23:17] <genii> You may need to consult the manpage to make sure
[23:17] <genii> !info default-jdk
[23:18] <kinghat> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f461ae4a/
[23:18] <kinghat> all thats in the jvm dir: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CMC3siIL/image.png
[23:20] <genii> !info openjdk-11-jdk cosmic
[23:21] <genii> kinghat: According to the bot 10.0.2 is correct for jdk 11
[23:25] <kinghat> is that how it should be?
[23:25] <genii> Yes
[23:26] <kinghat> so is it actually jdk v11 though?
[23:28] <genii> I would have to think so, but I'm on Xenial right now and so cannot directly poke at it to make sure
[23:29] <kinghat> ah ok. maybe the guy in ubuntu is updated.


[15:23] <ceich62> I am using netplan to configure a private Wi-Fi AP (NetworkManager backend) but I want only DHCP, not DNS or IP forwarding.
[15:24] <ceich62> I'm struggling to find the right passthrough-fu to make this happen. I am pretty sure I don't want `method=shared`
[15:28] <schopin> ceich62: you'll need to check the NM documentation. By definition we don't know what to put in the passthrough-fu (otherwise we wouldn't need it to be passthrough ;-) )
[15:30] <ceich62> Thanks, I've checked the docs. They are minimal. I'm also asking in #nm, but I thought someone here might have done this before.
[19:51] <ian35> I'm using netplan with the networkd renderer, and I have multiple netplan yaml files in /etc/netplan. Netplan is outputting multiple networkd configs as expected, but all of them are prefixed with `10-...` instead of 10, 20, 30, 40, etc.
[19:51] <ian35> I have five files that all start with 10-


[00:25] <ShalokShalom>  anyone knows a qt dock and/or a kde one with less kde libs req ?
[00:54] <Roey> hi
[00:54] <Roey> http://krita.org/item/131-free-transform-tool  <-- This looks neat.  When can we find it in PPA Backports for Krita?
[00:54] <Roey> Riddell:  heya
[01:01] <karunamaya> hi
[01:02] <skegeek> Is there a name for the outlined area containing application icons?
[01:05] <lewik_> My keyboard dont work full
[01:05] <lewik_> Shift+p not work
[01:05] <lewik_> Ctrl+F
[01:06] <lewik_> Shift+w
[01:06] <lewik_> help =)
[01:06] <Roey> skegeek:  tray
[01:07] <Roey> skegeek:  system tray
[01:07] <Roey> lewik_:  also try #ubuntu
[01:07] <Roey> I don't know though :(
[01:07] <lewik_> I tried
[01:09] <skegeek> I mean the tinted desktop area
[01:12] <Roey> the pager?
[01:12] <Roey> skegeek:  that?
[01:49] <crackerMx> hi
[01:51] <tankque> hola
[01:52] <crackerMx> hola tankque
[01:54] <crackerMx> hablas español?  do you speak english?  Sprechen Sie Deutsch?
[01:55] <Unit193> !es
[01:57] <tankque> join #ubuntu-es
[01:59] <crackerMx> great! in english is ok for me ...
[01:59] <crackerMx> thanks ubottu
[02:51] <pablo_> algum brasileiro no chan
[02:51] <pablo_> ?
[03:15] <pablo_> algum brasileiro nesse caraio
[04:03] <DarthFrog> !br  | pablo
[06:13] <Monchoman45> Hi, I've been trying to install kubuntu on my laptop from a CD I burned, but selecting any option from the grub menu causes a blank screen, and the CD drive stops after a short while. The MD5 of the .iso was correct and I ran the check utility on the CD on another computer and it found no errors
[06:29] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[06:32] <tcatt> Hello, using kubuntu 12.10, all flash video just shows a black box, no controls, no video or audio plays... any suggestion please to fix?
[06:35] <ovidiu-florin> tcatt: have you installed the flash player?
[06:37] <tcatt> ovidiu-florin: yes
[06:37] <ovidiu-florin> tcatt: what web browser are you using?
[06:39] <tcatt> firefox, have tried rekonq also
[06:41] <tcatt> kekonq crashes when I try to view flash video
[06:43] <noaXess> good morning
[06:43] <noaXess> where can i really change the time when updatedb.mlocate should run?
[06:43] <noaXess> ti should run in the night. .not now, when i'm working..
[06:43] <noaXess> where is it defined?
[06:48] <noaXess> the strange thing is... i found /etc/cron.weekly/mlocate and this in /etc/crontab: 47 5    * * 7   root    test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly )
[06:49] <noaXess> but.. 47 5 * * 7, means.. taht weekly jobs should start at sunday, right?
[06:50] <noaXess> but why does it run now?
[06:52] <ovidiu-florin> tcatt: have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[06:54] <tcatt> yes
[06:55] <tsimpson> noaXess: it only runs that if anacron isn't running, anacron doesn't run at on a particular day or time, but just makes sure a job in run in the time frame
[06:55] <noaXess> hm... tsimpson.. bbs.. customer phone ;)
[06:57] <ovidiu-florin> tcatt: check in Firefox tools -> Add-ons -> Plugins Do you have Shockwave Flash ?
[07:07] <tcatt> ovidiu-florin: so I got it working by purging, and then reinstalling flashplugin... but now firefox gives me a warning that I don't have the plugin, but then it starts playing 5 sec later
[07:11] <Monchoman45> Can anyone help with http://askubuntu.com/questions/258625/blank-screen-after-grub-when-booting-from-live-cd
[10:34] <ashwin_> #kde
[10:44] <goekhan> hello, this might be stupid but how can i rate the programs from inside the muon?
[10:45] <goekhan> i see others´ ratings but i can not rate it myself.
[10:48] <goekhan> if i can not rate it inside muon, where can i rate the app? kde-apps.org?
[11:01] <rosco_y> I am using a clock for a screensaver--how do I set my power management software so it doesn't quit displaying my screensavers after a time?
[11:17] <ovidiu-florin> in Kmail, on a POP3 account, messages that belong in a thread, all axcept the first one, no matter how many times I mark them as read, they return to the Unread state when I return to the folder. this does not happen on IMAP accounts
[11:17] <ovidiu-florin> any opinions on how to fix this?
[11:27] <jjeronimo> anyone here experianced with mobile broadband connections?
[11:28] <Tm_T> jjeronimo: I use it regularly, why asking?
[11:28] <jjeronimo> I can connect with my phone using bluetooth
[11:29] <jjeronimo> it says that the dun connection should be available in my network manager
[11:29] <jjeronimo> but it's not
[11:29] <jjeronimo> I used blueman
[11:30] <jjeronimo> because the default kde bluetooth manager doesnt have the dun option
[11:30] <jjeronimo> in ubuntu I was able to do it with bluetooth or usb
[11:30] <jjeronimo> but now nether work
[11:30] <jjeronimo> in kubuntu
[11:31] <jjeronimo> mobile broadband stays disabled when I connect using usb cable and there is no dail up bluetooth support :/
[11:32] <jjeronimo> by default
[11:34] <jjeronimo> DUN connection on Nokia N8-00 will now be available in Network Manager
[11:34] <jjeronimo> but I don't see it
[11:35] <jjeronimo> when I use blueman it connects fine
[11:35] <jjeronimo> I just can't see it in the network manager
[11:35] <jjeronimo> is there any other way to connect?
[11:49] <jjeronimo> Tm_T,  with you it just works?
[11:49] <Tm_T> jjeronimo: after I have paired devices I just go to bluetooth:/ and click to device's "dialup network"
[11:50] <ShalokShalom> hi there
[11:51] <ShalokShalom> You know, if there is a kde dock without needs plasma ?
[11:52] <Tm_T> ShalokShalom: hm?
[11:52] <jjeronimo> Tm_T, I don't have that option, only when I use blueman
[11:52] <ShalokShalom> Tm_T hello
[11:52] <Tm_T> jjeronimo: if you go to dolphin and browse bluetooth devices?
[11:53] <Tm_T> ShalokShalom: I'm unsure what you're trying to do, could you elaborate?
[11:53] <ShalokShalom> isearch 4 a qt dock or a kde dock without needs the plasma ?
[11:53] <Tm_T> ShalokShalom: you know plasma is more than just a dock?
[11:53] <ShalokShalom> Create a OS with pure kwin and razor qt ?
[11:53] <ShalokShalom> -.-
[11:53] <jjeronimo> Tm_T, that works fine yes
[11:54] <ShalokShalom> yeah
[11:54] <Tm_T> jjeronimo: but devices doesn't give dun there?
[11:54] <ShalokShalom> The kde docks are plasma widgets
[11:54] <Tm_T> ShalokShalom: I don't know any Qt dock
[11:55] <jjeronimo> Tm_T, I can browse my disk device using the default bluethooth applet shortcut from the system tray
[11:55] <jjeronimo> I can browse my phones disks I mean
[11:55] <Tm_T> jjeronimo: I don't mean browsing files in the devices
[11:56] <jjeronimo> Tm_T, how do you browse your bluetooth devices from dolphin?
[11:56] <Tm_T> jjeronimo: by going to "bluetooth:/"
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:00] <jjeronimo> Tm_T, ok thx, almost there
[12:02] <ShalokShalom> ;)
[12:03] <jjeronimo> Tm_T, it just doesn't connect yet, keeps showing a dialog with connection info
[13:24] <ShalokShalom> I try to get the information, cuz of what reason kwin is so much faster on my hardware than a pure kde.
[13:36] <BluesKaj> ShalokShalom, kwin is part of kde
[13:37] <BluesKaj> pure kde also has kwin , kwin doesn'r exist by itself, ShalokShalom
[13:38] <ShalokShalom> And why it runs faster ^.^ ?
[13:51] <BluesKaj> ShalokShalom, you obviously don't understand my meaning , perhaps you should go to a chat in your native language and ask there
[13:52] <ShalokShalom> thx
[14:04] <jps> ping
[14:04] <BluesKaj> pong
[14:04] <noaXess> pong
[14:04] <noaXess> heh BluesKaj
[14:05] <noaXess> wasup?
[14:05] <FloodBotK1> noaXess: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:05] <BluesKaj> not much noaXess , you ?
[14:05] <noaXess> oh sorry.. mr.. don't wann make linebreaks a lot of times.. just greetings to BluesKaj
[14:05] <noaXess> supporting customers... angry about fu.. m$ win... grrrrrr
[14:06] <BluesKaj> FloodBotK1, is set up to run if you make 3 or more consecutive entries
[14:06] <BluesKaj> and it's so busy in here
[14:06] <BluesKaj> :)
[14:09] <noaXess> BluesKaj: so.. FloodBotKK1 is your boot to help ;)
[14:09] <BluesKaj> not mine , noaXess ...it just appears
[14:37] <Teo_> Hello!
[14:38] <BluesKaj> Teo_, hi
[14:39] <Teo_> Thanks, Kubuntu developers, for probably the best free/libre Operating system!
[14:39] <Teo_> Good bye!
[14:55] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[14:55] <BluesKaj> hi murthy
[14:57] <murthy> BluesKaj: during music playback in amarok, when a notifications sounds the music from amarok turns to chipmuk sound, how can this be prevented?
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Guys, if you have Kubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail and when you run `sudo apt-get upgrade` you ran into problems with calligra please leave it till some time later (approx. >5 hours) The fix is now building in the Ubuntu archive.
[14:58] <BluesKaj> murthy, sorry I don't know , I don't use amarok much ..switched to Cantata
[14:59] <murthy> smartboyhw: but didn't yofel_ fix that earlier?
[14:59] <smartboyhw> murthy, the problem is: He missed two lines
[14:59] <murthy> BluesKaj: is that nice?
[14:59] <smartboyhw> And so he didn't fix
[14:59] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, I saw the calligra upgrade , but I haven't used it yet
[14:59] <murthy> smartboyhw: oh ,ok
[15:00] <murthy> smartboyhw: so cantata got through?
[15:00] <smartboyhw> The actual fix is here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/1:2.6.1-0ubuntu3
[15:00] <smartboyhw> murthy, no. Licensing issues, ask shadeslayer for that
[15:00] <BluesKaj> murthy, one of devs at #kubuntu-devel , asked me to test Cantata and it's working quite well on 13.04
[15:00] <shadeslayer> hm?
[15:00]  * smartboyhw wonders aren't these supposed to be in #kubuntu-devel
[15:00] <murthy> smartboyhw: ok
[15:01] <murthy> BluesKaj: no i am how is the usablity
[15:01] <murthy> BluesKaj: * usability
[15:02] <BluesKaj> no crashes , I like it bettrer than amarok due it's unclutered appearance and stable link to my musuc files. murthy
[15:02] <murthy> BluesKaj: i am going to check it out now
[15:06] <murthy> BluesKaj: it is asking me to add myself to the 'users' group ,  should i do that?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> yes I beleive you must , murthy
[15:08] <murthy> BluesKaj: ok, i will be back after relogin
[15:15] <smartboyhw> Guys: Don't even upgrade to calligra 1:2.6.1-0ubuntu3 it fails too....
[15:15] <smartboyhw> Sorry for any inconvenience caused....
[15:16] <BluesKaj> well the update on 13.04 worked here , dunno if calligra itself works tho
[15:17] <BluesKaj> calligra won't launch here , anyway smartboyhw
[15:18] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, we have library .install problems
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Fixing
[15:18] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:42] <gerlos> hello everyone!
[15:58] <lewik_> hi
[15:58] <lewik_> Anybody use simon? =)
[15:59] <lewik_> it's spttch recognizer
[15:59] <lewik_> speech
[15:59] <Malsasa> Hello, i have KDE and Unity in 12.04. You know Unity have global menu. When i login into KDE, my apps menubar was gone. I have tried Quassel, Dolphin, and Calligra Writer. Fortunately, Dolphin has chromium-like options button. Unfortunately, it is annoying. Is it related with Unity global menu? How to take back my menubar in KDE apps?
[16:00] <lewik_> Malsasa: It's a widget
[16:00] <lewik_> Malsasa: icon-only task manager
[16:00] <Malsasa> lewik_: widget? hmmm, so how to get my menu again in KDE? Unity seems to "stealed" it :)
[16:01] <lewik_> Malsasa: my eng bad =)  I try to say, that u can make menu like unity in kde
[16:02] <Malsasa> lewik_: ooh, my English even worst than you... i am not English native speaker...
[16:02] <Malsasa> lewik_: but i use KDE 4.9
[16:02] <Malsasa> lewik_: but i use KDE 4.8* sorry, wrong
[16:04] <lewik_> Malsasa: how I can know my KDE ver? =)
[16:05] <Malsasa> lewik_: umm, you can access any KDE app, Help > About. Surely your kde version will be appeared.
[16:05] <Malsasa> lewik_: thank you for your attentions...
[16:05] <Malsasa> :)
[16:06] <lewik_> Malsasa: 4.8.5
[16:06] <Malsasa> lewik_: do you use 12.04?
[16:06] <lewik_> Malsasa: Yes
[16:06] <Malsasa> lewik_: your version is same with mine
[16:06] <Malsasa> lewik_: here 12.04 too. I never update :)
[16:07] <lewik_> Malsasa: So u need unity-like bar in KDE?
[16:07] <Malsasa> lewik_: no no, just take back my normal menu in my KDE apps ;D
[16:09] <lewik_> Malsasa: ... Normal? =)  strange word =) Can u show image or smth
[16:10] <Malsasa> lewik_: yes normal menu, it is like Microsoft Office menubar or Libreoffice menubar we find in the top of window...
[16:10] <Malsasa> lewik_: unity-like menubar, globalmenu, is not normal. It is like Mac-style menu :D
[16:11] <lewik_> Malsasa: aha....  Menu at the top of screen for active window?
[16:12] <Malsasa> lewik_: exactly.
[16:15] <lewik_> Malsasa: Ш ыешдд ыуфксрштп
[16:15] <lewik_> Malsasa: I still searching
[16:15] <Malsasa> lewik_: wow, what is it? I dont undertand Russian
[16:15] <Malsasa> lewik_: thank you from Indonesia :D
[16:17] <Malsasa> lewik_: but please, don't work too hard for helping me... i am afraid make you discomfort... :)
[16:17] <Malsasa> lewik_: I appreciate all your effort for helping community
[16:18] <lewik_> Malsasa:  widget "indow Menubar"
[16:18] <lewik_> Malsasa: widget "window Menubar"
[16:18] <Malsasa> lewik_: umm, what should I do with it?
[16:18] <Malsasa> lewik_: uninstal?
[16:18] <lewik_> U create empty panel
[16:19] <lewik_> and set that widget on it
[16:20] <Malsasa> oooh
[16:20] <Malsasa> lewik_: then?
[16:21] <lewik_> So.... Widget will show max like menu...   It changed for focused window. No?
[16:21] <lewik_> Max = maC =)
[16:24] <Malsasa> lewik_: okay, i save your messages first. Thanks for your advice :)
[16:24] <Malsasa> lewik_: thank you from Indonesia. Maybe we will meet again.
[16:24] <mr0wl> does apt-cache ignore PPAs?
[16:25] <lewik_> Malsasa:  Ok
[16:25] <Malsasa> lewik_: if you live at Russia, how about meteor hits a few days ago there?
[16:26] <lewik_> Malsasa: ...  I live far away from it
[16:26] <Malsasa> lewik_: okay...
[16:26] <lewik_> Malsasa: broken glass was most problem
[16:26] <Malsasa> lewik_: broken glass?
[16:27] <lewik_> Malsasa:  ...  Broken windiws
[16:27] <lewik_> Malsasa: shockwave broke windows
[16:27] <Malsasa> lewik_: wow, it is caused by meteor?
[16:28] <lewik_> Malsasa: So glass damage peoples and there are cold, no windows - and cold in the room
[16:28] <lewik_> Malsasa: go provate chat
[16:28] <Malsasa> lewik_: oooh, now i understand
[16:39] <Windows> Hello!
[16:39] <Windows> Is this the german channel of kubuntu?
[16:40] <bazhang> !de
[16:40] <murthy> BluesKaj: i have installed cantata and mpd , cantata has connected to mpd and i have set the music library location. There is no music listed in cantata
[16:58] <BluesKaj> murthy, make sure the "configure cantata">output uses  MPD
[17:00] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:40] <BluesKaj> murthy, cantata is ok , but I prefer clementine , it's an amarok derivative but less clunky and cleaner looking
[17:41] <murthy> BluesKaj: is the issue of sound turning to chipmunk after a popup notification present is clementine ?
[17:42] <murthy> BluesKaj: i checked in the output settings for cantata , i can't find any option to set mpd as an output
[17:42] <BluesKaj> murthy,  I've never encountered sound speed problems with clementine
[17:43] <murthy> BluesKaj: i will try clementine now
[17:43] <BluesKaj> you may need to upgrade your mpd version , iirc
[17:44] <murthy> BluesKaj: i installed the version which is in the repository
[17:44] <BluesKaj> cantata is more of a music data-bse server for a lan , not really setup just as a player
[17:45] <murthy> BluesKaj: there is only one output device in the output box, its called "My Alsa Device" in cantata
[17:45] <BluesKaj> I tested i8t , it worked , and now I'm going to remove it
[17:45] <murthy> BluesKaj: in that case i will remove it too, will try clementine
[17:45] <BluesKaj> then  you haven't startedthe mpd
[17:46] <murthy> BluesKaj: i can see the process mpd in the ksysguard, should i try to restart it?
[17:46] <BluesKaj> cantata isn't my 'cuppa tea"
[17:46] <murthy> BluesKaj: ok
[17:51] <murthy> murthy: test
[17:51] <murthy> BluesKaj: give me notification
[17:52] <murthy> !phonon | murthy
[17:53] <BluesKaj> murthy, ??
[17:53] <murthy> BluesKaj: one more in 5 sec
[17:55] <murthy> BluesKaj: use my nick so that i get a notification in my desktop, i am testing if i am getting the speed issue with the clementine.
[18:25] <wootis> Hello I have a problem with my F5GL laptop, i cant install i cant get the install to work. ive tried with both cd and usb and with no succes, i can choose to install and it starts to load even shows me the mouse pointer and then it goes black, and nothing happens. I tried to install ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu too but the same thing happens. any ideas?
[18:29] <ShalokShalom> wootis sec
[18:30] <ShalokShalom> live boot ?
[18:31] <ShalokShalom> Same with Mint ?
[18:34] <OerHeks> !nomodeset
[18:37] <ShalokShalom> wootis, ?
[18:37] <ShalokShalom> OerHeks !
[19:01] <wootis> sry the old lady had me run to the store :P..yes same with mint. ty i will check out that url.
[19:09] <ShalokShalom> nomodeset is available in boot screen ?
[19:09] <wootis> not that i can see.
[19:16] <BluesKaj> you have to add it in grub with the "e" key to edit , it goes in right after 'quiet splash "
[19:19] <wootis> got it. now its loading. so far so good.
[19:21] <wootis> it works! :). Ty all for the help.
[19:39] <idem> hello, I am having a problem witht he OpenVPN configuration
[19:39] <idem> I am not able to set the cipher
[19:40] <idem> on the cipher field I get the message "OpenVPN cipher lookup failed"
[19:40] <idem> is this a know issue?
[19:43] <idem> this is a image off the error I am getting http://i.imgur.com/MKXYPni.jpg
[19:55] <idem> is there a better channel for support?
[19:59] <rosco_y> idem: official kubuntu support:  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ
[20:00] <rosco_y> (according to the msg posted when you open this forum)
[20:00] <rosco_y> what's the question Idem?  I just arrived....
[20:00] <rosco_y> I'm a newbie, but maybe I've had the same question....
[20:01] <rosco_y>  oic, VPN problems.  Sorry--out of my paygrade
[20:03] <rosco_y> not sure, but you might try #openvpn-as
[20:03] <rosco_y> not getting any real solid hits when I searched the channel list
[20:04] <rosco_y> there's also a #cloudvpn, and #dynvpn and #kvpnc
[20:04] <rosco_y> not sure if that helps or not....
[21:36] <Linuxephus> Greetings gentlemen, ladies. Question: Is there a way to automatically download & install Dev., Debug, and Doc. packages along with the packages being installed upon the system?
[21:37] <shadeslayer> Linuxephus: mostly the convention is to have foo-dbg for packages
[21:37] <shadeslayer> for eg. kdelibs5-dbg
[21:38] <shadeslayer> Linuxephus: but that may not always be true
[21:38] <shadeslayer> so you're going to have to narrow down the question a bit :)
[21:38] <Linuxephus> Recently switching back to Kubuntu 12.04LTS from LinuxMint after watching several fellow Linux'ers on Google Hangout who're Developers for KDE is why I'm asking.
[21:38] <shadeslayer> I see
[21:38] <shadeslayer> and you'd like to compile stuff?
[21:40] <Linuxephus> No. I'd like to somehow automatically be able to install the Dev. packages along with whatever package I'm installing thru Muon. Or is this a matter where I'd have to manually install the Dev. package that comes with the regular package?
[21:41] <Linuxephus> Example: Amarok, Amarok-debug, Amarok-Dev., etc.
[21:43] <Linuxephus> Oops. closed the wrong window.
[21:51] <Linuxephus> shadeslayer: So, is there a way I can do this with-out manually having to install each (example: Amarok, Amarok-dev.) the Dev. package that comes with each package?
[21:51] <shadeslayer> Linuxephus: well ... conventional debian packaging says split out dev, dbg and standard binaries
[21:51] <shadeslayer> so you can't install it automatically
[21:52] <shadeslayer> and you'll have to install the -dev and dbg separately
[21:52] <shadeslayer> amarok doesn't have -dev packages btw
[21:52] <Linuxephus> Unfortunately that means I'll to install each manually then doesn't it? I was hoping what you stated wasn't actually the case.
[21:52] <shadeslayer> yeah
[21:53] <Linuxephus> Well, you know what I meant with the example for other packaged that have that option.
[21:53] <shadeslayer> Linuxephus: though you could isntall Project Neon
[21:53] <Linuxephus> Enlighten me.
[21:53] <shadeslayer> it instals binaries and headers and has a separate -dbg package
[21:53] <shadeslayer> just 2 binaries for each source
[21:54] <shadeslayer> project-neon-foo and project-neon-foo-dbg
[21:54] <shadeslayer> installs KDE git into a separate dir, so you can run stable KDE and a unstable KDE at the same time
[21:54] <Linuxephus> I'm assuming that'll be installable thru Muon?
[21:54] <shadeslayer> sure
[21:54] <shadeslayer> you just need to add the ppa
[21:54] <shadeslayer> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE
[21:55] <shadeslayer> though note that this is unstable KDE from git
[21:55] <shadeslayer> so expect crashes
[21:55] <shadeslayer> and report them :P
[21:55] <Linuxephus> Alright. My thanks. I'll peruse it and have a go at it.
[21:55] <shadeslayer> or if you're scared of having unstable packages
[21:55] <shadeslayer> we have kvm/vbox images
[21:56] <shadeslayer> http://kubuntu.s3.amazonaws.com/list.html?sort=lastmod&sortdir=desc
[21:56] <Linuxephus> I'll add the PPA and "roughneck" it so to speak. I do alot of custom installs on my own system. So "unstable" isn't something I'm too concerned about overly much.
[21:57] <shadeslayer> awesome :D
[21:57] <shadeslayer> we hang out in #project-neon if you need help
[21:57] <Linuxephus> Agreed. And even more so...Kubuntu is AAAWWWSSSOOOMMMEEE!
[21:57] <shadeslayer> great to hear that :D
[21:58] <Linuxephus> Duly noted mate. My thanks. The sooner I get this done, the sooner I'll have the leisure time accordingly.
[22:06] <k4tZz> I uh...forgot my su password..
[22:08] <shadeslayer> k4tZz: uhh ... you mean your login password?
[22:08] <shadeslayer> usually in ubuntu land everyone uses sudo -i which asks for your users password
[22:08] <k4tZz> No like
[22:08] <k4tZz> type in su
[22:08] <shadeslayer> right, use sudo?
[22:09] <shadeslayer> I have never used su
[22:09] <k4tZz> I wanna go into my root directory
[22:09] <k4tZz> sudo cd root/ doesn't work
[22:09] <jussi> k4tZz: sudo -i
[22:09] <jussi> just try it... :D
[22:10] <k4tZz> what the heck
[22:10] <k4tZz> that's not fair
[22:10] <shadeslayer> fair? what?
[22:10] <k4tZz> anyways I didn't see what I wanted to find... I forgot the password for one of my encrypted drives
[22:10] <k4tZz> and I'm seeing if I left myself hints
[22:23] <k4tZz> dude
[22:24] <k4tZz> I have a seperate home folder
[22:25] <k4tZz> I see there's an encrypted drive on /dev/sda5
[22:25] <k4tZz> I am wondering if that's the one I'm already using as my home folder
[22:25] <k4tZz> how can I verify that it is? so I can stop trying all my passwords to try n remember
[22:25] <k4tZz> like a doofus
[22:42] <DarthFrog> k4tZz:  You can tell what's mounted where by simply issuing the "mount" command with no parameters.
[22:44] <Linkmaster> I have my system set up in the dvorak layout, selected at install. This is all fine and dandy, and I set up through "system settings->input devices->etc." a QWERTY keyboard, so that should I want to play a game/etc. through wine, I can just shift with the "ctrl+alt+k" shortcut. However, I'm trying to play a game(Dwarf Fortress) through wine(since I like 40d, those of you that know of the game). The game doesnt accept the change in
[23:40] <bunjee> what program burns mp3's?
[23:41] <bunjee> to play on cd player?


[03:05] <sayarussad> hi all
[03:06] <sayarussad> Lubuntu        LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so /usr/bin/skype      NOT working
[03:06] <sayarussad> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l2convert.so /usr/bin/skype +
[03:07] <sayarussad> Not Working
[03:07] <sayarussad> thx all
[03:08] <Unit193> 'Welcome.
[10:13] <pac_> Bonjour, je suis sous lubuntu 16.10, comment déplacer les boutons à gauche?
[10:13] <hateball> !fr | pac_
[15:24] <alba-uk> Hello
[15:25] <alba-uk> I've been using Lubuntu for a few years now but when i dl'd it a couple of months ago I couldn't get it to install.
[15:27] <alba-uk> I think it was a new release at the time so maybe a bug in the installer...
[15:28] <alba-uk> I'm going to dl again next week to set up a couple of servers.
[15:29] <alba-uk> Do you know of any installation probs that have been fixed recently? I didn't have time to bug report last time but I will this time.
[15:32] <alba-uk> I can't remember the error but had to get a system up and running so i put Ubuntu on.
[15:37] <alba-uk> ...i could run it from the CD, strange how it wouldn't install. An older version was already on the hardware I was working with so it was just an upgrade
[15:41] <alba-uk> Do you know of any installation probs that have been fixed recently? I didn't have time to bug report last time but I will this time.
[15:41] <alba-uk> I've been using Lubuntu for a few years now but when i dl'd it a couple of months ago I couldn't get it to install.
[15:41] <alba-uk> ...i could run it from the CD, strange how it wouldn't install. An older version was already on the hardware I was working with so it was just an upgrade
[18:17] <james1138> Hello all. Can I ask this group a question about Banshee Media player or would I need to go to a different group?
[18:17] <wxl> james1138: you can ask but i doubt many of us have had experience with it
[18:19] <james1138> Any suggestion would help. My question is more of a "tweak". Would anyone know how to get (or trick) Banshee into auto-update metadata from LastFM when I rescan music folder for new files?


[06:08] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:11] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: :) .. WB .
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: having a nice weekend?
[06:13] <Bashing-om> Oh the norm .. lotuspsychje - doing support, see what I can learn .
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> great
[06:19] <Bashing-om> Been busier than usual for a Saturday night .
[06:44] <Bashing-om> While quiet I am going to sneak out of here \o .
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> meet you on the other side Bashing-om
[06:45] <Bashing-om> Nighty nite .. see ya lotuspsychje :)
[07:09] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> how are you this sunday
[07:15] <ducasse> still waking up :) and you?
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> same here, lazy sunday with coffee
[07:56] <EriC^^> morning all
[07:56] <EriC^^> ducasse, lotuspsychje
[07:57] <ducasse> morning EriC^^
[08:00] <EriC^^> how are you today?
[08:00] <ducasse> i'm good, thanks, just having a quiet morning - how are you?
[08:02] <EriC^^> i'm good thanks, same
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[08:45] <EriC^^>  hey lotuspsychje
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> !wayland
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> !xorg
[10:18] <zomaar> Someone here said that cloning disks with dd is unsupported when you use LVM but I wonder then what the actual way is to clone volumes if you didn't.
[10:56] <BL4DE> since ubuntu replaces ubuntu gnome, will ubuntu eventually offer vanilla gnome session by default? I understand some users may wish a transition from unity with customized shell, but will it ever offer vanilla gnome by default in the future?
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> BL4DE: ubuntu 17.10 will come bit tweaked ubuntu-style
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> and higher
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> 18.04
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> BL4DE: also a new theme for 18.04 is in the make
[11:02] <BL4DE> lotuspsychje: yeah I tested 17.10. I have to install gnome-session and vanilla-gnome-settings. I hope one day that gnome on ubuntu looks like it did on ubuntu gnome. hope for more upstream non tainted de
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> BL4DE: after you install ubuntu-desktop in the future you can tweak the way you want right
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> remove/install what you like
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> BL4DE: ubuntu-gnome 16.04 will result upgrade to the tweaked gnome of 18.04
[11:06] <BL4DE> lotuspsychje: since ubuntu gnome distro/flavor is discontinued I hope that they eventually provide the default gnome session :/
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> BL4DE: you mean like a gnome classic or so?
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> or gnome3 vanilla
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> BL4DE: dont think thats gonna happen, as canonical wants the unity guys have a nice new experience
[11:10] <BL4DE> lotuspsychje: I mean gnome shell vanilla upstream that looks like this. https://i.imgur.com/3VpQdgb.png
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> BL4DE: well yeah 18.04 will have gnome like that, but newly themed/tweaked ubuntu-style
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> BL4DE: you will still have the gnome feeling
[11:18] <BL4DE> lotuspsychje: thanks for the help. You might think I'm crazy but I wish they used upstream configuration, with default adwaita theme
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> BL4DE: adwaita theme might be also available in themes, but perhaps not default
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> BL4DE: adwaita, showing in my gnome-tweak-tool in themes section
[11:21] <BL4DE> lotuspsychje: also if you install gnome-session and gnome-vanilla-settings it seems to also change gdm login screen color back to upstream default gray instead of orange
[11:49] <pauljw> hi everyone
[12:05] <pauljw> morning BluesKaj :)
[12:10] <BluesKaj> ;Morning pauljw
[12:17] <BluesKaj> pauljw:  we're about to get into another cold spell here, not as cold as the prervious one,  but a few degrees below 0F is still too cold for me.
[12:20] <pauljw> :) they're talking about that here, too.  up and down this week then in early Feb a cold snap.
[12:23] <pauljw> my wife and are taking a trip to the Smokies in Tennessee next week right when it may be getting cold and snowy.
[12:31] <BluesKaj> maybe it'll be milder there
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> re
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[13:29] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/ubuntu-18-04-new-app-to-do
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> wb EriC^^
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> check your /usr/var crossrat is comming :p
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> https://thehackernews.com/2018/01/crossrat-malware.html
[14:26] <oerheks> .. in /usr/var/ ???
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> pretty undetectable haha
[14:27] <oerheks> yes, as there is no /usr/var/ .. great thinking
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> bbl bit tv
[15:55] <oerheks> yay, another happy customer
[21:09] <Bashing-om> oerheks: IRT backnforth .. lshw shows radeon .. what do I fail to understand ?
[21:31] <oerheks> back
 oerheks, https://hastebin.com/xojosikeka.css


[09:55] <xivulon> evand, could you please make sure you have wubi/hardy.cdiso rev 505 selfextract in the new ISOs?
[09:55] <xivulon> I have tested it and looks good here
[09:56] <xivulon> could you also please test #136682?
[12:52] <CIA-48> oem-config: cjwatson * r474 oem-config/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.40
[12:57] <CIA-48> oem-config: cjwatson * r475 oem-config/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Switch to glade-3.
[13:57] <evand> xivulon: will do
[14:17] <xivulon> evand thanks
[15:01] <tjaalton> cjwatson: btw, you asked about the input/hal/xorg stuff on ubuntu-x@ a couple of weeks ago. You mentioned that "expert help" is available if needed, so who should I contact to get it going?-)
[22:06] <xivulon> evand, I can see in http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/wubi/ that wubi-selfextract is as of the 24 of june, cannot download now, is wubi-selfextract 505 going in the ISO?
[22:07] <evand> xivulon: 505 is there.  I've already told slangasek about it.
[22:08] <xivulon> cool thanks
[22:08] <xivulon> that is selfextract correct?
[22:10] <evand> correct
[22:11] <xivulon> 2xcool
[22:18] <mario_limonciell> evand, i forget, what was the limitation in switching the time zone selector to strictly time zones rather than the current "city" implementation?
[22:23] <cjwatson> mario_limonciell: the city is needed to infer the country in order to build a complete locale
[22:24] <cjwatson> it's the most economical way to get both country and timezone
[22:24] <mario_limonciell> ah because locale can't be necessarily inferred from keyboard selection
[22:24] <mario_limonciell> right?
[22:24] <cjwatson> absolutely not
[22:25] <cjwatson> we tried doing that (the other way round, admittedly, but I think the effects are pretty similar) for warty and lots of people were using keyboards that didn't match their country very well
[22:25] <cjwatson> plus there isn't a complete correspondence anyway
[22:25] <mario_limonciell> would it be sensible to maybe just ask the preferred locale as another question then to make that time zone page easier for people to understand?
[22:26] <cjwatson> the only thing you can do to connect locales and keyboard mappings is to use one as a reasonable default for the other; anything more is doomed
[22:26] <cjwatson> I don't really want to ask another question that for most people could be inferred from that one
[22:26] <cjwatson> I'd rather we continued to try to improve the city selector UI
[22:26] <mario_limonciell> understood.  they are all fairly intertwined
[22:27] <cjwatson> country<->timezone have a much tighter correspondence, even though it isn't perfect for quite everyone
[22:27] <mario_limonciell> perhaps a better suggestion then:
[22:27] <xivulon> I still like zoom map widget but with partial zoom window
[22:27] <xivulon> like magnifying lens
[22:27] <mario_limonciell> asking the timezone first, and then fine tuning that with cities in that time zone
[22:28] <mario_limonciell> and picking the one closest to you
[22:28] <cjwatson> a large number of people have no idea what timezone they're in
[22:28] <cjwatson> IME
[22:28] <cjwatson> they know where they are
[22:28] <xivulon> I agree, picking the city is easier than the timezone
[22:28] <mario_limonciell> really?  I guess having a very US centric view, that's surprising
[22:29] <cjwatson> my experience is that the US is unusual here: everyone talks about being on Eastern or Central or whatever
[22:29] <mario_limonciell> yeah
[22:29] <xivulon> we had this idea of highlighting the timezone on hoover/city selection, is that going to happen?
[22:29] <cjwatson> that's rare from what I've heard elsewhere
[22:29] <mario_limonciell> at least in portions of the US (for example where I live), choosing the closest city picks the wrong time zone
[22:29] <cjwatson> do you not know that that city over there keeps different time?
[22:29] <cjwatson> that strikes me as the sort of thing you'd know about nearby cities
[22:30] <cjwatson> being able to highlight the timezone is looking increasingly plausible; Ted Gould found a data source we can use
[22:30] <mario_limonciell> well that's the thing, i'm new to TX, so i didn't realize parts of it would be on different timezones
[22:30] <cjwatson> how would asking for the timezone and picking the closest city have helped, then? :-)
[22:30] <cjwatson> ah, you knew what timezone you were in
[22:31] <cjwatson> I do contend that's a fairly rare situation
[22:31] <mario_limonciell> well I know that i'm central time since US people know these thigns :)
[22:31] <cjwatson> timezone highlighting will help a lot, I think
[22:31] <mario_limonciell> yeah i agree
[22:31] <mario_limonciell> well and what was it i just saw that highlighing in... mozilla lightning
[22:32] <mario_limonciell> when you receive ical notifications, you can select which timezone to adjust them to, and they highlight the map properly
[22:32] <cjwatson> interesting, didn't know about that
[22:32] <cjwatson> Ted sucked it out of the CIA Factbook I think
[22:32] <mario_limonciell> just noticed it myself today and it reminded me that this was bothersome
[22:33] <cjwatson> in Europe, you'd get people going "huh, am I on Western Europe time or Central Europe time?"
[22:34] <cjwatson> (this is a particular trick question because very few parts of we generally refer to as Western Europe are actually on Western Europe time)
[22:34] <mario_limonciell> ah :
[22:35] <cjwatson> it's also worth remembering that the timezone you're in right now isn't sufficient, due to daylight savings madness
[22:35] <cjwatson> cf. Indiana
[22:35] <cjwatson> or is it Arizona? I forget
[22:35] <mario_limonciell> used to be indiana
[22:35] <cjwatson> the city is particularly good because that maps *directly* to the notation in the timezone database
[22:35] <mario_limonciell> they abolished that now though, and have committed to eastern time only
[22:36] <cjwatson> right, and for those people who picked a relevant city in Indiana, they got automatically transitioned to that with no configuration changes required
[22:37] <mario_limonciell> ideally i suppose for the US: if there was an accurate representation on that map for the time zones and cities in those time zones, say clicking a region in TX near my area, perhaps that would automatically map to the closest city actually in the time zone that is in the database
[22:37] <mario_limonciell> that would be the happiest medium I could see
[22:37] <cjwatson> yeah, that's what I'd like to see too
[22:38] <cjwatson> I'm not sure everyone can point accurately to their location on an unmarked world map, but with city and timezone markings that should be enough context for most
[22:38] <mario_limonciell> yeah
[22:38] <cjwatson> I'm still not sure about the auto-zooming; the attempt at that in hardy went, frankly, very badly indeed
[22:39] <cjwatson> users found it disorienting and difficult to control
[22:39] <mario_limonciell> especially in the oem-config context.  i found the ubiquity map more usable than the oem-config one
[22:40] <cjwatson> a magnifying lens *might* work but we need to be very careful; crude attempts at rendering something like that could actually come out worse, if it doesn't look and feel like a lens
[22:40] <mario_limonciell> did the idea of breaking the map up into continents come up?
[22:40] <mario_limonciell> so you have a different graphic you show when you pick your continent
[22:41] <cjwatson> I don't think so
[22:41] <cjwatson> wouldn't the different shapes be tricky?
[22:41] <cjwatson> I suppose it might stand some chance
[22:42] <mario_limonciell> well you figure to go with square boxes
[22:42] <cjwatson> I don't mean that kind of shape, more the different aspect ratios
[22:42] <cjwatson> North America is much taller than Asia
[22:42] <cjwatson> but they all have to fit into the same sort of shape of window
[22:42] <mario_limonciell> would have to use the same size for both, and use multiple snapshots for the bigger continents
[22:43] <mario_limonciell> africa would probably need two for example
[22:43]  * cjwatson contemplates using a bit of insomnia to tackle bug 64058
[23:39] <CIA-1> console-setup: cjwatson * r73 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog config.proto):
[23:39] <CIA-1> console-setup: If console-setup/layoutcode is preseeded but not marked as seen, then
[23:39] <CIA-1> console-setup: set the default layout but don't lower the layout question priority or
[23:39] <CIA-1> console-setup: preseed console-setup/ask_detect (LP: #64058).
[23:49] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r515 casper/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper-bottom/19keyboard):
[23:49] <CIA-1> casper: Support ?= (set value but don't mark as seen) preseeding syntax for
[23:49] <CIA-1> casper: console-setup/* (LP: #64058).
[23:50] <CIA-1> console-setup: cjwatson * r74 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.25ubuntu2
[23:54] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r516 casper/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.134


[02:32] <Wuzzy> hi, I have a problem with translation in launchpad. In the original string, there are 13 spaces at the end. The translated string only needs 6 spaces. But no matter how many spaces I add in my translation, launchpad _always_ appends 13 spaces to the translation. How do I get rid of this behaviour?
[03:20] <wgrant> Wuzzy: It's not possible to make such translations in the web UI; leading and trailing whitespace is normalized to match the English string, as that's almost always the right thing to do. Why do you need a different number of spaces?
[03:21] <Wuzzy> Because I am translating an ncurses application in which the number of spaces matters.
[03:21] <wgrant> Hm, I'd expect the application to implement the padding itself.
[03:21] <Wuzzy> Yeah I know, this sucks.
[03:22] <wgrant> Having it embedded in the strings seems somewhat fragile, as it will break all the translations if they need to widen a column by a single character!
[03:22] <Wuzzy> Yeah I know this sucks.
[03:23] <Wuzzy> okay then I have to bother the developers of the application instead ... lol
[03:24] <wgrant> Heh, yeah :/
[03:25] <wgrant> But normalizing whitespace is usually the sensible thing to do; translators have a bad habit of missing trailing spaces in particular.
[15:42] <ryanakca> Is there a way to stop receiving PPA related messages for teams you belong to?
[18:05] <NikTh> Hello , can anyone tell me which e-mail address is used as the forwarded address of @ubuntu.com alias ? The preferred one or the "set as contact" one ?


[08:36] <ogra_> ev, around ?
[09:38] <ev> ogra_: yes
[09:50] <cjwatson> ev: do you mind if I rename the installed webcam library to ubiwebcam or something?  it's causing some livefs build failures because libwebcam clashes with an existing package
[10:01] <ev> cjwatson: by all means
[10:26] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r4848 trunk/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-wireless.py: Properly initialize buttons on the wireless page.
[10:33] <cjwatson> ev: do you know what's up with http://paste.ubuntu.com/672339/ ?  mock.patch seems to exist ...
[10:36] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4849 trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[10:36] <CIA-18> ubiquity: Rename libwebcam to libubiwebcam to avoid clashing with the existing
[10:36] <CIA-18> ubiquity: libwebcam0 package.
[10:37] <cjwatson> oh, wait, mock occludes python-mock
[10:38] <cjwatson> and mock is completely different and no longer in oneiric anyway ... purging
[10:38] <ev> what on earth
[10:38] <ev> ah
[10:39] <cjwatson> I had it installed from when I was trying to test something in a Fedora chroot
[10:45] <cjwatson> yeah, that's better, tests pass now
[14:19] <stgraber> ev: apparently ubiquity no longer likes utf-8... Tried to install today's daily with "Stéphane Graber" as my fullname and it crashed :)
[14:22] <ev> stgraber: awesome
[14:22] <ev> bug please
[14:22] <ev> preferably in -d mode
[14:25] <cjwatson> is the gdk-pixbuf xlib rendering stuff deprecated now?  it seems like maybe we should be rendering to a cairo surface instead
[14:25] <cjwatson> bug 830892
[14:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 830892 in ubiquity "ubiquity-dm crashed with AttributeError in run(): 'Pixbuf' object has no attribute 'render_pixmap_and_mask'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830892
[14:27] <cjwatson> or indeed to a GDK drawable
[14:28] <cjwatson> hmm, no, cairo I think.  http://developer.gnome.org/gdk3/stable/gdk3-Cairo-Interaction.html#gdk-cairo-set-source-pixbuf ?
[14:29] <ev> yeah, my understanding is that it's all cairo from here on out
[14:29] <stgraber> ev: oh, it apparently fails in two different places. Letting apport file both, feel free to merge them then :)
[14:30] <ev> :)
[14:32] <stgraber> ev: hmm, well, one of the two apport failed to start firefox :) bug 831309
[14:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 831309 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in preseed(): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 2: ordinal not in range(128)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831309
[14:33] <stgraber> ev: the other was similar but in info_loop
[14:34] <ev> okay, thanks
[14:48] <ev> ugh, DIE debian/patches/debian-changes
[14:50] <cjwatson> --abort-on-upstream-changes
[14:50] <cjwatson> (dpkg-source(1))
[14:51] <ev> yeah, was just trying to get to the bottom of what I did to prompt it to create the diff in the first place
[14:52] <ev> but thanks
[14:52] <ev> I'll keep that one handy
[14:52] <ev> sure is easier than rm -rf'ing the things it does
[15:05] <davmor2> ev: I have a question, what happens if the user is new to ubuntu and has no webcam, with the use this picture link to a default folder where there are some default images to chose from?
[15:07] <ev> davmor2: it's accounted for in the design specification.  There will be default images to choose from, just like in gnome-control-center
[15:08] <davmor2> ev: I figured there would be I just couldn't see a new user knowing to go to /usr/share/image/LOLCATZ.png to get a picture :)
[15:31]  * cjwatson tries to cargo-cult modern background-setting code from nautilus
[16:47] <cjwatson> ev: does bug 830895 make any sense to you?  on_link_clicked is connected according to the GtkBuilder input file, but it just doesn't seem to be being called
[16:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 830895 in ubiquity "Unable to show release notes: operation not supported" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830895
[16:48] <bdmurray> Is it useful to have bugs assigned to the ubuntu-installer team or should we just have them assigned to canonical-foundations?
[16:49] <cjwatson> ubuntu-installer would be more useful than canonical-foundations IMO ...
[16:49] <cjwatson> doesn't seem any point spamming the rest of the team
[16:49] <bdmurray> got it thanks
[16:49] <cjwatson> ev: ^- do you agree?
[16:50] <ev> indeed, I agree
[16:50] <ev> on_link_clicked> is it not getting called at all or is it not stopping signal propagation would be my first question
[16:51] <cjwatson> mine too, and I inserted a print to test that; didn't appear to be getting called at all
[16:51] <ev> and then maybe we're not hooking up to the right signal, or that pygi's signal handling is busted (or our signal handler is raising an exception that's not ending up on the same context - exceptions in callbacks are doing that currently)
[16:52] <cjwatson> yeah, it *looks* like it's still 'activate-link' in GtkLabel though
[16:52] <cjwatson> a test program at the python >>> prompt seems to exhibit similar behaviour
[16:52] <ev> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=616279
[16:52] <ubot2> Gnome bug 616279 in introspection "Propagate python exceptions from a callback to the root python context" [Normal,Reopened]
[16:52] <ev> hm
[16:53] <cjwatson> oh, wait, bug, let me try again
[16:55] <cjwatson> ah, I think it no longer takes a widget arg
[16:55] <cjwatson> is that a general change in gtk 3?
[16:56] <cjwatson> so yeah, you're totally right, that introspection bug is what's hiding the error
[16:56] <ev> welcome to pygi
[16:57] <ev> please deposit your sanity at the door
[16:57] <cjwatson> or maybe not, possibly I'm calling connect wrong
[16:58] <cjwatson> ah, yes, it should be connect_object
[16:58] <ev> really? I missed that.
[16:59] <cjwatson> in my test program I mean
[16:59] <ev> ah
[17:00] <cjwatson> ok, still don't know what's going on then
[17:00] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/672548/ seems to work
[20:41] <charlie-tca> cjwatson: what does it take to activate "maybe-ubiquity" for Xubuntu, and how much work will be involved?
[21:28] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: I think that really ought to be next cycle at this point ...
[21:29] <cjwatson> I don't remember the exact details although IIRC it's mostly controlled by the hidden-timeout setting in /isolinux/gfxboot.cfg
[22:08] <charlie-tca> Okay, Thank you. We can wait to do it next cycle. We just can't find any docs on how to do it.
[22:11] <charlie-tca> cjwatson: I will accept that it can wait.


[01:43] <lunaphyte> hi.  i have a front end that won't connect to a back end.  i don't know much about mythtv yet, but it seems like it's complaining about not being able to make a mysql connection.  mysql does appear to be listening on the physical interface, according to telnet.  how can i troubleshoot further.
[01:43] <lunaphyte> *further?
[01:51] <superm1`> ComradeHaz`, well fortunately you can undo anything done by removing the added line and rerunning update-initramfs -u
[01:51] <superm1`> as for the sound issue it caused, did ALSA not load snd_usb_audio now?
[01:52] <lunaphyte> oh, i've figured it out i think.
[01:52] <superm1`> lunaphyte, okay cool :)
[01:52] <lunaphyte> :)
[01:53] <superm1`> ComradeHaz`, oh i think i know what the second part might be
[01:53] <lunaphyte> the front end somehow knew the ip address of the backend, and had a string in the password field, but it was wrong, i guess?
[01:53] <superm1`> it tried to "save" your old ALSA settings on reboot
[01:53] <superm1`> you'll want to rm /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[01:53] <superm1`> and reboot
[01:53] <superm1`> easy enough fix
[01:53] <lunaphyte> i looked in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt on the backend, and used the password contained therein.  that seems to have worked, although i'm not certain i've done the right thing.
[01:54] <superm1> that's a fine way to do it
[01:54] <superm1> the other way is via UPnP
[01:55] <lunaphyte> is that how the frontend found the backend?  upnp?
[01:59] <superm1> Yeah
[01:59] <superm1> usually it can discover more about it too
[02:00] <lunaphyte> it seemed to think it figured out the mysql user/pass - is that something that it's usually able to find out?
[02:26] <superm1> usually
[02:26] <lunaphyte> hmm, ok.  i wonder why it was wrong.
[02:27] <lunaphyte> not a big deal though, at the moment.  i'm just testing some hardware.
[02:52] <lunaphyte> i've placed a couple of video files in /var/lib/mythtv/videos/ on the backend server.  i'd like to play them using the frontend computer, but they don't appear.  i'm having trouble finding out if there's something more i need to do.
[02:54] <lunaphyte> ah, i've found some info on storage groups.
[03:54] <superm1> lunaphyte, you need to have the frontend scan for videos
[03:54] <superm1> and it will request the backend to do so
[04:14] <lunaphyte> superm1: i saw something referencing that, but it sounded like it was deprecated?  "In versions of MythTV prior to .22, it was necessary to enter the Video Manager screen to initiate a scan. This is no longer the case."  also, i don't see anything in the frontend for doing this.
[04:15] <superm1> lunaphyte, hit the "menu" key and there's an option for it
[04:15] <superm1> i've certainly still gotta do it
[04:15] <superm1> you can check in #mythtv-users with those guys potentially
[04:15] <lunaphyte> hmm, ok.  let me try.
[04:18] <lunaphyte> the menu key brings up the system menu?  i only see about and cancel.
[04:18] <superm1> you're in mythvideo?
[04:19] <lunaphyte> ah!  no, i wasn't.  thanks.
[04:19] <lunaphyte> i didn't know the menu was context sensitive.
[04:20] <lunaphyte> lots of stuff to learn here... :)
[04:20] <lunaphyte> that did the trick.
[13:17] <qwebirc79251> hi just upgraded the server and client (back and front end) version to 10.10 with the automatic builds... has anyone else had a problem where it just dumps you out and asks u to re-log in with your username and password when you attempt to watch a recording?
[13:32] <qwebirc79251> anyone?
[14:20] <qwebirc74397> hi just upgraded the server and client (back and front end) version to 10.10 with the automatic builds... has anyone else had a problem where it just dumps you out and asks u to re-log in with your username and password when you attempt to watch a recording?
[14:47] <mrand> qwebirc74397: there have been reports, including Bug 660605
[14:47] <Zinn> Bug 660605 in mythtv (Ubuntu) "session lost when trying to watch live tv" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/660605
[14:48] <mrand> superm1: I'm assuming this is NOT a mythtv bug.  what package though?
[15:11] <superm1> mrand, i've seen a few reports of that
[15:11] <superm1> it's probably a bug in X or the nvidia driver
[15:11] <superm1> i'd lean in the nvidia driver
[15:11] <mrand> qwebirc74397: are you using Nvidia?
[21:50] <lunaphyte> i'm having trouble getting a front end to see music on the backend.  videos do work.  how can i troubleshoot further?
[21:51] <lunaphyte> i've told the front end to scan for new music, but the list remains empty.
[21:52] <rhpot1991> lunaphyte: frontend and backend different boxes?
[21:52] <lunaphyte> yes.
[21:54] <rhpot1991> lunaphyte: well storage groups don't work with music so you will need to setup a nfs or samba share to share them between the two
[21:55] <lunaphyte> oh, ok.  i didn't realize that.  so effectively, each front end needs to have (or think it has) the music directly on it's file system?
[21:59] <rhpot1991> lunaphyte: yep, until the music supports storage groups
[22:00] <lunaphyte> i see, thank you.  is that something that's on the docket?
[22:00] <rhpot1991> I thought so, check the 0.24 changelogs and see if it made it in or not
[22:00] <lunaphyte> cool, i'll do that.
[22:01] <rhpot1991> basically storage groups only worked for recordings and video, there was an issue with .iso files and music and pictures
[22:01] <lunaphyte> i thought i recalled someone mentioning being able to play music on their ps3 from mythtv - a ps3 can't mount a share like that - how might that work?
[22:04] <tgm4883> UPNP
[22:06] <lunaphyte> i see that.  it sounds like separate front/back ends and other upnp clients is a bit of a convoluted process.  i was just reading this discussion : http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/280894
[22:06] <Zinn> [www.gossamer-threads.com] UPnP music without frontend | MythTV | Users
[22:06] <lunaphyte> heh :)
[22:07] <lunaphyte> so it sounds like the gist of it is that yes, you can, but you must have some front end somewhere running mythmusic, so the db is populated, so the back end can server out files via upnp?
[22:08] <lunaphyte> *serve out
[22:09] <tgm4883> yea something like that
[22:09] <tgm4883> I don't use mythmusic so IDK
[22:09] <lunaphyte> no worries.
[22:09] <lunaphyte> i'll give things a shot.