[00:40] <lifeless> StevenK: hey
[00:40] <lifeless> StevenK: how is the audit service coming along; do you need any input on it ?
[01:08] <james_w> any zope experts around?
[01:09] <lifeless> !ask
[01:16] <james_w> I've lost my question now
[01:16] <james_w> I think grokcore.component.global_adapter(DjangoLocation, IDjangoLocation, ILocation) isn't doing anything
[01:16] <james_w> but I don't know how debug that
[01:24] <StevenK> lifeless: Input would be awesome
[01:43] <james_w> hmm, it's not that it seems
[01:44] <james_w> it's "directives.location_interface(IDjangoLocation)" whatever that means
[01:49] <james_w> ah, it seems my requests don't implement IWebServiceLayer
[01:55] <james_w> no, that's not either
[02:05] <james_w> marvellous
[02:05] <james_w> it was a zope.traversing version incompatibility
[02:07] <james_w> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.traversing/3.13 breaks lazr.restful it seems
[02:50] <nigelb> wgrant: Nice!
[02:55] <huwshimi> wgrant: Hi, the change you made to the line height on Loggerhead seems to have created a mismatch between the code and the line numbers.
[02:57] <wgrant> huwshimi: Which browser? The only one I've heard bad things about is whatever iOS has.
[02:58] <huwshimi> wgrant: Oh right. This is with Chromium 17.0.963.79 (Developer Build 125985 Linux) Ubuntu 12.04
[02:59] <wgrant> Hmm, indeed.
[03:00] <huwshimi> wgrant: It looks fine on Firefox
[03:00] <huwshimi> (whatever version I have)
[03:00] <wgrant> Yeah, Opera and IE too.
[03:00] <wgrant> Just WebKit is broken.
[03:00] <huwshimi> :(
[03:00] <wgrant> I'm sure I tested it in Chromium, though. Maybe it was an old version.
[03:02] <nigelb> maybe the version number updated right after you checked... :P
[03:03] <huwshimi> wgrant: My guess is that it has something to do with the <pre>
[03:04] <huwshimi> wgrant: You might be able to do it without the <pre> and use .viewLine a { display: block;}
[03:04] <wgrant> It's the line-height on the pre
[03:04] <wgrant> Dropping that makes it work everywhere.
[03:04] <wgrant> Just makes it slightly more obese in Firefox
[03:05] <huwshimi> ah right
[03:12] <lifeless> StevenK: if you want a chat or whatever, I'm free
[03:13] <StevenK> lifeless: Chat works
[03:14] <lifeless> skype then?
[03:14] <StevenK> I knew you were going to say the evil s word
[03:14] <nigelb> hahah
[03:14] <lifeless> ♥ skynet
[03:14] <nigelb> I thought Mumble was more evil anyway?
[03:15] <lifeless> its technically poorer thats for sure
[03:15] <wgrant> You know, it would be really awesome if testing in OS X and iOS browsers didn't require purchasing Apple hardware.
[03:15] <StevenK> Hahaha
[03:15] <nigelb> wgrant: need help with testing?
[03:15] <StevenK> lifeless: Let me get a cup of tea and setting up skype
[03:15]  * nigelb is on the mac.
[03:16] <wgrant> Nah, I'll just hope that Win32 Safari is vaguely similar.
[03:17] <wgrant> Thanks for the offer, though :)
[03:17] <nigelb> :)
[03:17] <bigjools> not sure if hangouts are more evil either
[03:18] <wgrant> hangouts are a binary plugin that I have yet to convince to not hang Firefox or Chromium.
[03:18] <wgrant> They are more evil than Skype.
[03:18] <wgrant> And that's saying something.
[03:19] <bigjools> I never had any probs like that with it
[03:19] <nigelb> heh
[03:19] <nigelb> skype on linux is good. BUt on mac it's severly pita.
[03:19] <bigjools> well both are closed source... which do you trust more? :)
[03:19] <bigjools> sound quality on skype is bloody excellent though
[03:19] <wgrant> TBH I trust Microsoft more than Google right now...
[03:20] <bigjools> their echo cancellation is something to behold
[03:20] <nigelb> lol, me too.
[03:20] <nigelb> and skype scales better than google hangout.
[03:20] <StevenK> wgrant: BugsInformationTypeMigrator is getting blocked a lot
[03:20] <bigjools> my data usage under hangouts has been insane
[03:21] <wgrant> StevenK: Sure, but surely not all weekend.
[03:23] <StevenK> wgrant: Pretty much
[03:23] <StevenK> VACUUMs, backups, PRF and retry_depwait
[03:24] <wgrant> Hmm
[03:55] <wgrant> Sigh
[03:55] <wgrant> Loggerhead's YUI is an embedded copy of 3.0.0pr2
[03:56] <wgrant> Truly the pinnacle of good practice and modern technology.
[03:57] <wgrant> bigjools: How is MaaS handling its YUI3 dep?
[03:57] <wgrant> I don't see it packaged in Ubuntu.
[03:57] <bigjools> convoy
[03:57] <wgrant> How does it get into convoy?
[03:58] <rick_h> it's in precise now and I uploaded it to pypi on friday finally
[03:58] <bigjools> files are in maas
[03:58] <wgrant> O_O
[03:58] <rick_h> rvba said it's going into precise
[03:58] <bigjools> python-django-maas
[03:58] <wgrant> Embedding JS libraries... aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[03:59] <bigjools> until they're packaged.... any better idea?
[03:59] <wgrant> Package it so you don't have to embed multiple copies of 400KLOC JS libraries? :)
[04:00] <wgrant> I'm surprised the archive admins let that through.
[04:00] <bigjools> meanwhile, in the real world
[04:00] <wgrant> StevenK: I am sad.
[04:00] <StevenK> wgrant: Why this time?
[04:01] <wgrant> StevenK: Your kin let MaaS through NEW with an embedded third-party 400KLOC JS library.
[04:01] <StevenK> lol
[04:02] <StevenK> python-django-maas is not a source package ?
[04:03] <wgrant> Source is just maas
[04:04] <huwshimi> wgrant: We wanted to have our js libraries as dependencies, but we need security audits etc. and there's just not the time\
[04:04] <wgrant> $ du -sh
[04:04] <wgrant> 34M	.
[04:04] <wgrant> $ rm -r src/maasserver/static/jslibs/yui
[04:04] <wgrant> $ du -sh
[04:04] <wgrant> 1.9M	.
[04:05] <bigjools> meanwhile, in the real world.... people need to get work done
[04:05] <wgrant> huwshimi: I'm not sure that gluing multiple packages together is an accepted way to bypass security audits :)
[04:06] <StevenK> bigjools: And it's that attitude in 2007 that got LP into the state it's in. So think very carefully.
[04:06] <wgrant> It's similar to the Go static linking crap a couple of weeks back.
[04:06]  * bigjools sighs heavily
[04:06] <bigjools> you think we don't know this?
[04:06] <bigjools> you think we're stupid?
[04:07] <StevenK> Oh clearly, that's *exactly* what I'm saying.
[04:07] <bigjools> please, feel free to package it for us then, while meeting all the deadlines we have
[04:08] <StevenK> Last time I offered suggestions on your packaging, you told me to shut up, so I don't think so.
[04:08] <bigjools> thought not
[04:08] <huwshimi> wgrant: Actually, it seems like exactly the way to bypass all that :)
[04:08] <wgrant> huwshimi: It certainly works, but it's not accepted :)
[04:10] <huwshimi> wgrant: Sure, we all wanted to do this properly (in fact I spent this morning ripping out a js dependency and putting it in our tree). But with 4 days to go, it's become unavoidable.
[04:15] <huwshimi> wgrant: So I've done EXACTLY what you're talking about, but I can't be in control of the packages in main.
[04:16] <wgrant> Things that security corners shouldn't be cut on, in descending order of importance:
[04:16] <wgrant>  1) Platforms for managing your corporation's entire computing infrastructure.
[04:16] <wgrant>  2) Everything else :)
[04:16] <StevenK> huwshimi: Sure you can. If it's not in main, file a MIR
[04:17] <lifeless> what this really shows is that maas is the first YUI using thing we've got for main inclusion
[04:17] <StevenK> There is a process for how source and binary packages move between components
[04:18] <huwshimi> StevenK: I know there's a process for getting it into main, but that doesn't mean we have the time to get it done
[04:19] <StevenK> huwshimi: It takes about an hour to write the MIR, and you can talk to someone in ubuntu-mir about an urgent request
[04:19] <huwshimi> lifeless: It's not just YUI
[04:20] <huwshimi> StevenK: The people responsible for packaging MAAS have already told us we don't have enough time (on top of all the packages we already have to get included).
[04:23] <StevenK> lifeless: objects.find() you say?
[04:47] <lifeless> StevenK: erm, I think Imeant filter.
[04:47] <lifeless> StevenK: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/db/queries/
[04:48] <lifeless> https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/models/querysets/#django.db.models.query.QuerySet.get vs https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/models/querysets/#django.db.models.query.QuerySet.filter
[04:49] <StevenK> lifeless: Yeah, I've figured that out
[04:50] <StevenK> Now I'm trying to work out why I can't pass lists or tuples as the value of a thing to search by
[04:50] <StevenK> It seems to get forced to unicode
[05:11] <mwhudson> StevenK: what are you trying to do?
[05:12] <mwhudson> ah, bad time to offer help, i'm about to run away
[05:13] <StevenK> Haha
[05:21] <lifeless> StevenK: Entry.objects.filter(id__in=[1, 3, 4])
[05:21] <StevenK> lifeless: Yes, I got that bit.
[05:22] <lifeless> StevenK: so whats the code that is going wrong look like ?
[05:22] <StevenK> lifeless: My issue is c.get('/fetch/', {'operation': ['foo', 'bar']}) ends up with request.GET['operation'] == u'bar'
[05:22] <wgrant> Yes.
[05:23] <lifeless> StevenK: hangon, is this webservice marshalling, or ORM stuff ?
[05:23] <wgrant> Lists of HTTP GET arguments are serialised as operation=foo&operation=bar
[05:26] <StevenK> lifeless: The former
[05:27] <lifeless> StevenK: as wgrant says, HTTP params should be listified by the django framework; what are you using to submit the request ?
[05:28] <StevenK> Django's Client class
[05:28] <wgrant> You may have to use a special syntax instead of request.GET['operation']
[05:28] <wgrant> Or you may have to call with [('operation', 'foo'), ('operation', 'bar')]
[05:30] <StevenK> It wants a dict, though
[05:30] <wgrant> What is the generated URL?
[05:31] <StevenK> How do I pull that out of Client?
[05:32] <wgrant> request.GET.getlist('operation') is what you want.
[05:34] <StevenK> Indeed. Thanks.
[05:38] <StevenK> It even works, neat.
[05:43] <huwshimi> I love that you can decide that the code you're working on should be in a new branch and you can just add a new pipe and all your uncommitted changes get pushed into a new branch
[05:48] <bigjools> yeah I get the same thing with co-located checkouts
[06:24] <wgrant> Slow TALES is slow.
[06:41] <stub> wgrant: I have built a Slony package under Lucid for PG9.1. I neglected to rename the source package. Do things explode if I copy the built packages across to the Launchpad PPA?
[06:48] <wgrant> stub: Let me see.
[06:49] <wgrant> stub: It appears to be built for both 8.4 and 9.1, which is probably want we want
[06:49] <wgrant> (looking at 2.0.7-3ppa1 in ppa:stub/launchpad)
[06:49] <wgrant> s/want we want/what we want/
[06:49] <stub> wgrant: Gah - debversion
[06:51] <wgrant> stub: It won't blow up, but it will be difficult to update either of them and be very confusing and leave orphaned binaries around.
[06:51] <wgrant> So I would rename.
[06:51] <wgrant> As, IIRC, I did with 8.4 for oneiric.
[06:51] <stub> Ok. Ta.
[06:51] <stub> Yer, just realized on the weekend. I did it last time (when I built under Oneric and copied back to Lucid, which was a #fail)
[07:32] <lifeless> wgrant: you could try pybars
[07:33] <lifeless> StevenK: unless the internet, or #isd, have answers, you'll need to step through with pdb
[07:40] <wgrant> lifeless: It's actually the TALES in browser:url that's upsetting me right now.
[07:43] <wgrant> (canonical_url on a person can take more than 200µs in a LaunchpadSecurityPolicy environment, 80µs in PermissiveSecurityPolicy, and about 25µs of that goes away when I replace the TALES-based IPerson browser:url with a Python adapter.
[07:44] <wgrant> And it takes 500µs to load a single Person from a DB result :/
[07:45] <wgrant> So to generate two links to a person you've got 1ms :)
[07:45] <wgrant> Speedy Zope is speedy.
[07:47] <lifeless> canonical_url is known for its lightning fast speed and efficient operation
[08:56] <adeuring> good morning
[10:29] <stub> Getting a bzr error with a recipe build: http://paste.ubuntu.com/890439/
[10:47] <jelmer> stub: you have  tag that's pointing at a revision that doesn't exist
[10:47] <jelmer> stub: it's trying to export that tag to create the upstream tarball
[10:48] <stub> htf did I manage that I wonder?
[10:48] <stub> Oh - push --override might do that?
[10:48] <jelmer> yeah, it won't push history that's not related to the branch tip
[10:49] <stub> Should there be a bug on this?
[10:49] <stub> (push --override leaving old tags pointing to revisions that no longer exist?)
[10:50] <jelmer> it's not necessarily wrong to leave that tag around - the revision is still accessible in your local branch
[10:50] <jelmer> it just won't be pushed along
[10:50] <jelmer> there's a few bugs about tag handling in this regard already
[10:52] <jelmer> it would be nice to file a bug about the bzr-builder error though, it should at least tell you what tag it tried to resolve
[11:07] <stub> huh - cosmic ray. "bzr: ERROR: Corruption while decompressing repository file, zlib: Error -3 while decompressing data: incorrect data check" but repeating the command, works fine
[11:52] <czajkowski> jtv: morning
[11:52] <jtv> Good morning czajkowski
[11:52] <czajkowski> jtv: would you have some time free to help me with 2 lanauge questions either now or later on
[11:52] <czajkowski> please
[11:52] <jtv> Let's get it done quickly, since night just fell here.
[11:52] <jtv> Where are they?
[11:53] <czajkowski> jtv: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/191090
[11:53] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/173909
[11:53] <czajkowski> the latter had a bug linked to it and has been released but they are still having issues.
[11:53] <jtv> czajkowski: the first one is for Ubuntu, not for us.
[11:53] <czajkowski> grand
[11:55] <czajkowski> jtv: thanks for the help. Also does this make sense to you?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/957884
[11:55] <jtv> czajkowski: the second one, I think, may need manual intervention from someone more knowledgeable such as sinzui.  I did propose something that would resolve a lot of these problems in practice, but it was considered too radical.
[11:56] <czajkowski> nods
[11:56] <czajkowski> I'll bring it up later as the fix that is currently in place isn't fixing things
[11:58] <jtv> Yes, IIRC the bug is about not producing dangling membership requests any more.  Which is not the same as dealing with existing ones.
[11:58] <czajkowski> jtv: thanks for the help.
[11:58] <jtv> Good luck :)
[12:03] <deryck> Morning, all.
[12:04] <czajkowski> deryck: howdy doody
[12:52] <wgrant> czajkowski: A timeout on production is always a bug.
[12:52] <wgrant> Triaged/Critical/timeout
[12:53] <wgrant> qastaging/staging are slow and non-production, so it doesn't apply there.
[13:32] <deryck> adeuring, abentley, rick_h -- coming for standup, just taking a second to fire up hangout
[13:40] <abentley> adeuring: Can we chat?
[13:40] <adeuring> abentley: sure. mumble?
[13:40] <abentley> adeuring: sure.
[14:05] <mrevell> Hey deryck, czajkowski kindly pointed me to bug 138775. Some bug mail is going out with truncated subjects, so no bug summary shows. czajkowski says that complaints about this issue have increased since Wednesday, suggesting something may be making it worse. Any thoughts?
[14:07] <deryck> mrevell, hey, let me look at the bug.
[14:08] <deryck> mrevell, hmmm, I have no idea what could have changed to make it worse.  Let me look around a minute or two.
[14:08] <deryck> mrevell, do you know if it's just watched bugs, or happening on any kind of bug?
[14:08] <mrevell> czajkowski has just gone on lunch. I'm guessing she'll see her name highlighted when she gets back. She can probably fill you in better than I can.
[14:10] <czajkowski> deryck: happens a lot on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/190848
[14:11] <czajkowski> deryck: and https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/926379
[14:11] <czajkowski> <-- running out door
[14:11] <deryck> ok, thanks czajkowski
[14:12] <tumbleweed> poke: https://code.launchpad.net/~stefanor/wadllib/datetime-924240/+merge/97099
[14:13] <tumbleweed> I'm about to apply that patch in Debian (it works fine for me) but would obviousuly prefer it if it was already merged into trunk
[14:15] <deryck> tumbleweed, benji is the on call reviewer.  perhaps he could look at that branch for you?
[14:15] <deryck> tumbleweed, rick_h would have an interest in this, too, since he did some of the original work but he isn't around right now.
[14:15] <tumbleweed> deryck: yeah, I see LP made him the reviewer
[14:36] <deryck> czajkowski, so I don't see anything recent that could be to blame for the increased instances of this....
[14:36] <deryck> czajkowski, and this seems related to freedesktop.org watched bugs, based on your two examples....
[14:36] <deryck> czajkowski, so either something changed on their end to make this worse....
[14:37] <deryck> czajkowski, or else it's always been happening and the importance or attention given to these bugs is making it seem more common.
[14:37] <deryck> czajkowski, so I'd suggest getting some of the mails showing this attached to the bug report.  I've subscribed to stay informed.
[14:38] <deryck> czajkowski, but if I don't reply timely enough, another ping to me if fair and appreciated :)
[14:38] <deryck> s/if/is
[14:44] <czajkowski> deryck: thanks for the help
[14:44] <czajkowski> I've taken a screen capture of my bug mail
[14:44] <czajkowski> and added it to the bug
[14:48] <deryck> czajkowski, can you add full emails with headers and all?
[14:52] <czajkowski> deryck: done I think
[14:53] <deryck> czajkowski, thanks.  I'll try to dig in more later.
[14:54] <czajkowski> cheers
[15:15] <czajkowski> deryck: you about?
[15:16] <czajkowski> I'm pretty sure I just made a large boo boo error :/
[15:19] <deryck> czajkowski, hey, yes, I'm around.  what's up?
[15:26] <czajkowski> and heart failure over
[15:40] <rick_h> deryck: tumbleweed sorry for the delay, it's on my todo for today. I need to get py3 setup to retest it out.
[15:40] <rick_h> tumbleweed: did you run the tests on both py2 and 3?
[15:40] <rick_h> tumbleweed: we had to hack that in to get things happy on both sides and if that fixes it, we should probably add a test to verify it works with the right date strings on both versions of python
[15:44] <tumbleweed> rick_h: np
[15:44] <tumbleweed> yes, ran it on py2 and 3
[15:45] <tumbleweed> yeah, it could definitly use a test case, but I don't know the code well enough for that
[15:54] <abentley> adeuring: I am working on adding Celery & dependencies to the download cache.  I don't think you need to do it in your branch.
[15:54] <adeuring> abentley: cool
[16:19] <jcsackett> benji: can i throw https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/launchpad/sharing-details/+merge/98223 on to your queue?
[16:43]  * jelmer wished testr gave some progress output..
[17:09] <benji> jcsackett: I'm back from lunch and will look at your MP shortly.
[18:15] <rick_h> abentley: ping, I'm trying to see how I update/get lp-dev-utils correctly?
[18:15] <abentley> rick_h: Okay, how can I help?
[18:15] <rick_h> abentley: so this doesn't appear to be a python pacakge, or a .deb package?
[18:16] <rick_h> abentley: so do I just download it somewhere and add it to path? I'm a bit confused on how it's meant to be used/run
[18:16] <abentley> rick_h: Right, it's a bzr branch.  lp:lp-dev-utils.
[18:16] <abentley> rick_h: Yes, you download it somewhere, and add it to a path.
[18:16] <rick_h> abentley: ok, so it's not meant to set itself up then, just up to me to add it somewhere I can assess it
[18:16] <rick_h> abentley: ok, gotcha, thanks
[18:17] <abentley> rick_h: I have a symlink to ~/launchpad/lp-dev-utils/ec2 in ~/bin
[18:17] <rick_h> abentley: thanks, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some package or something
[19:03] <deryck> abentley, hey, man. Since you started to look at it the first time, would you be willing to review my preload people branch now it's ready again?
[19:03] <abentley> deryck: sure.
[19:03] <deryck> abentley, thanks!  https://code.launchpad.net/~deryck/launchpad/buglistings-preload-people-901122/+merge/97041
[19:10] <abentley> deryck: r=me
[19:11] <deryck> abentley, awesome, thanks!
[19:14] <abentley> deryck: I've written dict(foo.id, foo for foo in bar)  a lot, too.
[19:23] <abentley> I'm getting a repeated assertion failure when I do "make run_all".  Anyone else seeing this?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/891134/
[19:27]  * deryck heads out for the day with family
[20:44] <sinzui> benji, do you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/project-notify-3/+merge/98282
[20:44] <benji> sinzui: sure
[20:49] <benji> sinzui: done
[20:49] <sinzui> wow. Thank's benji
[20:50] <benji> sinzui: anything to keep me from thinking about performance reviews
[20:53] <sinzui> benji, Indeed. I was depressed writing mine last week. benji Keep in mind that the most important thing you did was help your squad and the Lp team. All personal goals are not more important than the group goals. One year my team missed our personal goals, but it was okay because we responded to the group goals that emerged during the year
[20:54] <benji> sinzui: thanks for the encouragement
[22:03] <lifeless> flacoste: did you want a call ?
[22:16]  * jelmer is reminded why he contributes to launchpad in bursts
[22:19] <salgado> lifeless, we seem to have encountered a weird issue with db updates not being flushed by storm before it executes a query... if you have a couple minutes to help us, it's at https://code.launchpad.net/~linaro-infrastructure/launchpad/notify-workitems-changes/+merge/98231
[22:19] <lifeless> jelmer: because of the excruiating overheads?
[22:20] <lifeless> salgado: looking
[22:22] <jelmer> lifeless: yeahp
[22:22] <lifeless> salgado: the transaction.commit() in prod code is a problem
[22:22] <lifeless> salgado: as in, its a blocking problem; it will cause incorrect behaviour on retries
[22:22] <salgado> lifeless, right, we're not keeping that
[22:23] <lifeless> ok
[22:23] <lifeless> so I have a few thoughts so far
[22:23] <lifeless> firstly, event based email sending is terrible.
[22:23] <lifeless> I do mean that literally, it isn't hyperbole.
[22:23] <lifeless> its a wonderful concept that performs poorly and is hard to customise, extend and reason about
[22:24] <lifeless> salgado: that said, I can see you're building on an existing hook, which means you'd have work to do to change things
[22:25] <salgado> yeah, and probably a lot of work given that this is blueprints
[22:25] <lifeless> (also, the object delta stuff in lazr.restful is a direct cause for dozens of different timeouts)
[22:25] <salgado> heh
[22:26] <lifeless> because doing an in python diff to determine that one message was added to a bug loads multiple MB's of data in an inefficient manner, to reconstruct the knowledge that the API layer had discarded about what it did.
[22:26] <lifeless> I have sketched a new subscriptions API
[22:26] <lifeless> on the list
[22:26] <lifeless> noone has implemented it, and its a bit big to slide into what you're doing, your awesome notwithstanding
[22:27] <lifeless> salgado: anyhow, the diff on that page has a commit() and no flush calls
[22:27] <lifeless> salgado: what happens if the commit is removed?
[22:28] <salgado> lifeless, https://code.launchpad.net/~linaro-infrastructure/launchpad/notify-workitems-changes/+merge/98231/comments/212211
[22:28] <salgado> "Now, it looks like the work item changes are not always flushed to the DB when notify_specification_modified is fired (as the pdb session below shows), so that would explain why the diff looks wrong in some cases."
[22:28] <lifeless> salgado: IIRC the only reason a select wouldn't see new objects is if both the select and the store.add for the objects *both* happen within a block_implicit_flushes() decorator
[22:29] <salgado> it does!
[22:29] <salgado> the subscriber has that
[22:29] <lifeless> well
[22:29] <lifeless> that will cause the behaviour you see :)
[22:30] <lifeless> you might want to figure out why it has that decorator
[22:30] <lifeless> :cn
[22:30] <lifeless> a quick grep shows a lot of event subscribers having it
[22:30] <lifeless> this bothers me
[22:31] <salgado> yeah, all the blueprints-related ones have it
[22:32] <lifeless> and karma
[22:33] <lifeless> this smells to me of some bug patched over
[22:33] <lifeless> if it was e.g. a truism that all event handlers must not permit implicit flushes, we'd have glued it into the event subscription code to avoid the repetition
[22:36] <lifeless> salgado: I would look in annotate for the commit adding the decorator and see what it was part of; look at the MP too probably; and definitely try removing the decorator and seeing what happens
[22:36] <salgado> there seems to be plenty of subscribers not using that
[22:36] <salgado> lifeless, it was added when we migrated to storm, I'm pretty sure
[22:37] <lifeless> sure, but why :)
[22:42] <lifeless> salgado: ok, I'm going to context switch, if you want more chat, ping me again :)
[22:42] <salgado> lifeless, with the reorganization of the code, how I'd go about finding the revision where that was introduced?  the latest commits that touched that code were actually just moving files around... is there a way I can find the first commit which contains a block_implicit_flushes?
[22:42] <lifeless> well, file renames won't affect annotate
[22:43] <lifeless> but code copies will
[22:43] <lifeless> so you can jump back - gannotate will let you do this easil, or you can annotate -r before:lastcommityouknowabout filename
[22:44] <salgado> lifeless, ok, will try that.  thanks a bunch
[22:48] <lifeless> no worries
[22:48] <lifeless> you can also pass a regex to bzr log (and a filename too)
[22:48] <lifeless> or use bzr-search if you have a search index built
[22:55] <salgado> lifeless, I've found, but it doesn't say anything about why it was needed so I emailed the list
[22:59] <wallyworld_> sinzui: bug 959784
[22:59] <_mup_> Bug #959784: Cannot add access to new information type without destoying existing 'Some' access <disclosure> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/959784 >
[23:07] <wgrant> sinzui: https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/sharing-help-fixes/+merge/98300
[23:07] <sinzui> r=me
[23:09] <wgrant> Thanks.


[10:42] <DanChapman> Good Morning
[10:45] <elfy> hi DanChapman
[10:47] <DanChapman> hey elfy, how's are you? a bit more relaxed i'm guessing, now this release is over with :-D
[10:47] <elfy> I've had my week of not worrying and am now thinking of unreal unicorn :p
[10:48] <elfy> I *might* even manage to keep 14.04 in a partition for longer than 6 weeks though this time
[10:50] <DanChapman> :-D 'unreal unicorn' lol.
[10:51] <elfy> I wasn't too pleased ... 14.10 has been unreal unicorn to me since ~January, Mark must have read my mind :p
[10:52] <elfy> as long as 15.04 isn't Virginal Valkyrie then I'm safe for that one :)
[10:54] <knome> elfy, utopic. UTOPIC!
[10:54] <elfy> YTOPIC?


[03:21] <eggbertx_laptop> I'm pretty new to Ubuntu Studio, but not new to Linux. Would I install GNOME 3 the same as in standard Ubuntu?
[03:21] <eggbertx_laptop> or if not, what would I do differently
[04:42] <holstein> hehe
[04:42] <holstein> and it begins
[04:47] <ailo> holstein, Gnome3?
[05:04] <holstein> ailo: hehe
[05:04] <holstein> that was our first 'where do i get gnome3?' post :)
[11:47] <azm> ailo,  Hi, is somewhere lowlatency kernel of version .27 and up please ?
[11:47] <azm> *I could not fidn it in ppa
[18:09] <orngjce223_> beep
[18:49] <holstein> b00p ;)
[18:49] <holstein> orngjce223_: you doing well?
[18:50]  * holstein is on the way out the door
[18:50] <holstein> just saying o/
[18:54] <orngjce223_> Yeah
[18:54] <orngjce223_> \o
[21:47] <duali> Can someone tell me how do I go about acquiring wineasio for ubuntu 9.10 because the pprogram that I am trying to work with now (FL Studio) is freezing when audio is played
[21:49] <azm> duali, have you read the tutorial from Falktx on forums ?
[21:49] <duali> where is it?
[21:49] <azm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1260057
[23:12] <duali> I am having some trouble with the volume, aparantly even with the volume at the mix I cannot hear it at the max it sounds at the minimum still


   Nevermind.
[11:56] <DalekSec> belkinsa: /whois
[11:57] <DalekSec> Also, -oh
[11:57] <Kilos> lol
[11:57] <Kilos> hi belkinsa
[11:57] <belkinsa> Curse of the logging into my client and waking up for the morning.
[11:57] <belkinsa> And o/ Kilos
[11:58] <belkinsa> And for the Greeks and Russians, happy Easter.
[14:29] <Kilos> who who i contact to find out if an address for a mailing list has been granted for ubuntu-africa?
[14:30] <Kilos> last i heard neo32 applied via the planet i think he said
[14:40] <Kilos> whew sorry, who do/can i contact
[14:43] <JanC> the planet isn't exactly the right place to request that, I think?  :)
[14:43] <JanC> and I assume it has to be approved by the loco-council?
[14:45] <Kilos> ah ty JanC  maybe i should ask them, its for my site anyway
[14:45] <JanC> als: maybe contact neo32 ?
[14:45] <JanC> also*
[14:46] <Kilos> he is busy with some project that keeps him away for weeks on end
[14:46] <Kilos> and we are about ready to launch the site
[14:47] <JanC> maybe also check loco-council meeting logs/reports?
[14:47] <Kilos> ill do that thanks
[14:48] <JanC> and if they approve it, it's the Canonical sysadmins who have to implement it
[14:50] <Kilos> how do i get to the loco council? i see its invite only
[14:51] <JanC> some of them are in here, and they have a mailing list
[14:51] <Kilos> hopefully one of them sees my query
[14:53] <Kilos> i suppose we can launch the site without it too and add it in later
[14:53] <JanC> http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/ has their contact info
[14:54] <Kilos> it isnt for an actual loco but for the whole of africas ubuntu users
[14:54] <Kilos> ty for the help JanC
[14:54] <JanC> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil
[14:55] <Kilos> many thanks, let me see what i can achive
[15:14] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:15] <inetpro> is it not just a matter of creating a mailing list for the project, what I mean is, can anyone starting a new project not just create his own mailing list?
[15:24] <Kilos> the site is for ubuntu-africa
[15:24] <inetpro> https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[15:31] <JanC> inetpro: I assume he means a list on lists.ubuntu.com, not on launchpad
[15:32] <JanC> (he or she)
[15:34] <inetpro> JanC: are they not linked in any way?
[15:35] <JanC> inetpro: not really no
[15:35] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:36]  * inetpro thought you just create a team and as part of the admin interface you also select to create a mailing list
[15:36] <Kilos> i think it will be granted because #ubuntu-africa is official
[16:16] <mhall119> inetpro: you can do that through Launchpad, but your mailing list will be @lists.launchpad.net not @lists.ubuntu.com
[16:57] <inetpro> ah
[16:57] <inetpro> thanks mhall119
[16:57] <mhall119> np
[16:58] <Kilos> mhall119  ty and may i know where you sre please
[16:58] <Kilos> are
[17:16] <Kilos> hi MooDoo
[17:16] <MooDoo> howdy Kilos how are you?
[17:17] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[17:17] <MooDoo> yeah ok thanks :D
[17:18] <MooDoo> just setting up bonding on my server
[17:23] <mhall119> Kilos: where I'm located?
[17:23] <Kilos> yessir
[17:24] <Kilos> im trying to fit peeps into timezones
[17:24] <Kilos> like i often said morning to nhaines  when he was almost going to bed
[17:24] <Kilos> hehe
[17:24] <MooDoo> lol
[17:42] <mhall119> Kilos: I'm in Florida, so US/Eastern
[17:42] <Kilos> cool ty mhall119
[17:42] <Kilos> i think you all know i am in south africa
[19:27] <Kilos> hi nizarus
[19:38] <nizarus> hi Kilos
[19:51] <inetpro> maak dit regtig saak of dit eindig met @lists.launchpad.net of @lists.ubuntu.com ?
[19:52] <Kilos> yes its for ubuntu
[19:53] <inetpro> oops, wrong language in the wrong channel
[19:53] <Kilos> lol
[19:53] <inetpro> would it really matter whether a mailing list ends with @lists.launchpad.net or with @lists.ubuntu.com ?
[19:55] <Kilos> the channel is #ubuntu-africa and the site will be ubuntu-africa.info
[19:55] <Kilos> so surely the list should match
[19:55] <Kilos> im open to suggestions
[19:56] <inetpro> I don't think it matters much, but that's just me
[19:57] <Kilos> well lets hear what the loco council has to say about it
[19:58] <inetpro> Kilos: in fact you should even be able to migrate easily
[19:58] <Kilos> im easy either way but would prefer the ubuntu lists address


[00:22] <tomreyn> i'd trust rmadison more for sure
[00:25] <Eickmeyer> p.u.c tends to be out-of-date, I trust launchpad over p.u.c.
[00:30] <tomreyn> and i prefer looking it up on archives.u.c over launchpad, if i have to. ;)
[01:05] <guiverc> :) & thanks for replies tomreyn Eickmeyer
[01:06] <guiverc> I use rmadison or CLI usually.. but its useful to have a packages.ubuntu.com link for replies online (support etc) & thus nice when they match!
[01:08] <tomreyn> you can link to ubuntu's or debian's rmadison web page, but admittedly that's not as nice.
[01:08] <tomreyn> it would be nice if there was tracker.ubuntu.com
[01:46] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[10:08] <JanC> ideally, every archive update would somehow trigger a p.u.c update, so that it can keep itself up-to-date... (with some rate limiting for the development version maybe?)


[01:24] <bonny> does anyone know a facebook hacker for linux
[01:37]  * aetherian stabs bonny in the throat
[01:38] <bonny> why
[01:38] <bonny> i really need it
[01:39] <aetherian> LART time
[01:39] <bonny> ?
[01:39] <bonny> do u know of a facebook hacker
[01:40] <aetherian> someone else stab this guy for me
[01:40] <szczur> bonny, there's none and there will never be
[01:40] <bonny> :(
[01:42] <jmarsden> bonny: If a "Facebook hacker" does what I think it does, it would not be considerate, respectful or collaborative to use it.  http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[01:44] <bonny> omg u guys dont know we basically do it for fun friends hack my account all the time and they wont tell me how they do it so i need one
[01:46] <aetherian> darn internet
[04:18] <john123> hello
[04:20] <semitones> sup?
[04:22] <john123> hi semitones, are you familiar with java programming editor in lubuntu?
[04:23] <semitones> no, I've never used it :/ sorry!
[04:23] <semitones> maybe someone else will see your question though
[12:17] <Shogoot> hey people. wondering why the command sudo /etc/init.d/lxde stop dont work.... isint the desktop of Lubuntu LXDE?
[12:52] <msucan> hello
[12:53] <msucan> where do i find info about the latest lubuntu beta?
[12:58] <Shogoot> isint Lubuntu beta the same as ubuntu beta? 11.04 comming out 28 april?
[13:03] <msucan> Shogoot: should be
[13:03] <msucan> but i want to know about lubuntu-specific changes
[13:03] <msucan> i am configuring an old laptop now and i want a lightweight distro
[13:03] <msucan> puppy linux or lubuntu :)
[13:04] <Shogoot> im afraid i wouldn know
[13:04] <msucan> i'd favor an ubuntu based distro, but i don't know much about lubuntu
[13:04] <msucan> hehe
[13:04] <msucan> no worries
[13:04] <Shogoot> im guessing but maybe you should look for changes in lxdm? the desktop thing?
[13:05] <msucan> yeah
[16:46] <bonny> Is there any way to make my videos faster?
[16:48] <mark76> Why the heck would anyone want to make their videos faster?
[18:20] <bioterror> haha
[18:49] <jmarsden> msucan: Info on beta1 release is at https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03691.html .  More info is supposed to be at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing but noone has updated it since Alpha 3, it seems :)
[19:35] <aguitel> how change setting in "time and date" under lxde?
[19:54] <jmarsden> aguitel: In Lubuntu 10.10, click on the bird, then on Preferences, then on Time and Date
[19:55] <aguitel> jmarsden, i am in 10.04
[19:55] <aguitel> jmarsden, no time and date
[19:56] <jmarsden> I don't have a running Lubuntu 10.04 to test with right now.  What are you trying to change?
[19:56] <aguitel> jmarsden, mm/dd/aaaa  to dd/mm/aaaa
[19:57] <jmarsden> Oh... that is a locale change.  Set your locale to be correct for your country and the date and time formats should change too.
[19:57] <aguitel> jmarsden, how i do that
[20:00] <jmarsden> aguitel: I'm not sure if there is a GUI way to change that in Lubuntu.  Edit the file /etc/default/locale and reboot?
[20:00] <jmarsden> Usually you tell Ubuntu what country/locale you are in at install time.
[20:00] <aguitel> ok thanks
[20:04] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[20:38] <Brunoirs> have lubuntu now
[20:38] <Brunoirs> hehe
[20:43] <MrChrisDruif> Great Brunoirs :)
[20:44] <Brunoirs> Like it
[20:44] <Brunoirs> iim happy
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> Even better to hear Brunoirs, did you have Linux experience before?
[21:00] <Brunoirs> Yes
[21:00] <Brunoirs> littlebit
[21:04] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, what did you try before?
[21:36] <Brunoirs> ubuntu
[21:36] <Brunoirs> 5.10  :D
[21:36] <Brunoirs> and dapper drake
[21:38] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, that's a long time ago :D
[21:38] <MrChrisDruif> For how long did you use it?
[21:39] <Brunoirs> a year maybe
[21:39] <Brunoirs> but long time ago
[21:39] <Brunoirs> was 2006 i think
[21:39] <Brunoirs> But now i got a "new" laptop and i decided to install lubuntu on it
[21:40] <MrChrisDruif> 5.10 was October 2005 (5 is year, 10 is month)
[21:40] <Brunoirs> yes know
[21:40] <MrChrisDruif> A "new" laptop? :P
[21:40] <Brunoirs> but dapper drake was 2006
[21:40] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: I upgraded (format, reinstall) Ubuntu 6.10 to Lubuntu 10.04 (then 10.10 came out few weeks later)
[21:40] <Brunoirs> yes a dell latitude xps :P
[21:41] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193: That's why I'm waiting with Lubuntu now...next should be available in less then 4 weeks
[21:41] <MrChrisDruif> Brunoirs: Those are pretty powerful machines right?
[21:43] <Brunoirs> Yes really powerful :D
[21:43] <Brunoirs> I think its a real nicec laptop
[21:43] <Brunoirs> Its enough for me
[21:56] <MrChrisDruif> Brunoirs: XPS are gaming laptops afaik :P
[21:57] <Brunoirs> My laptop not anymore :P
[21:57] <Brunoirs> Can i play Starcraft 1 on it?
[21:58] <Brunoirs> Under lubuntu?
[21:58] <Brunoirs> Maybe with Wine?
[21:58] <bioterror> you can play xbill
[21:58] <MrChrisDruif> Brunoirs: You can probably play it with Wine indeed :)
[21:59] <Brunoirs> xbill?
[21:59] <Brunoirs> really?
[22:00] <Brunoirs> Thought with Wine its laggin
[22:00] <MrChrisDruif> I never heard of xbill
[22:01] <bioterror> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=72
[22:01] <bioterror> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=11123
[22:06] <Brunoirs> cool thx
[22:12] <Papaaa> www.snowlinux.de www.computerhilfe-forum.com www.cfreakz.de www.larstorbenkremer.de
[23:53] <pam61> Can anyone point me towards docs that will tell me how to set a vnc server (x11vnc) to run at startup? I've not used lxde before, so I'm a bit lost ;-)
[23:55] <pam61> Nobody?


[11:08] <Kilos> afternoon everyone
[11:09] <Kilos> Maaz seen superfly
[11:09] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 23 hours, 24 minutes and 8 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-02-20 03:45:06 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-02-21 02:05:48 PST
[11:09] <Kilos> oh my where my fly
[11:09] <Kilos> chesedo meeting tuesday night hey
[11:10] <Kilos> did you see the addition to the agenda
[12:06] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:20] <theblazehen> hi magespawn
[12:21] <Kilos> hi magespawn theblazehen
[12:21] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[13:03] <Kilos> ssd's are a different kinda storage device hey
[13:03] <Kilos> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSD_memory_cell_clearing
[13:04] <theblazehen> Kilos: Yeah. But as long as TRIM is enabled you don't need to worry about it. With modern SSDs it'll even do okay without TRIM, but obviously having it on is better
[13:09] <Kilos> haha i have no idea even what trim is or how to turn it on
[13:10] <Kilos> and whether the badblocs command works on them
[13:10] <Kilos> and caddies for lenovo lapptops are expensive
[13:16] <Kilos> http://www.howtogeek.com/176978/ubuntu-doesnt-trim-ssds-by-default-why-not-and-how-to-enable-it-yourself/
[13:16] <Kilos> that might help
[13:23] <Kilos> sudo fstrim -v / seems to be the command to use
[13:24] <Kilos> im not gonna worry about cron jobs
[13:29] <theblazehen> Yeah, your fs should automatically be using discard I think, so no worry about it
[13:36] <theblazehen> Hi SubOracle
[13:37] <theblazehen> superfly *
[13:37] <theblazehen> Tab complete..
[13:37] <superfly> hi theblazehen
[13:37] <superfly> just reinstalled my server, got my IRC logs back, yay!
[13:42] <Kilos> wb superfly
[13:42] <superfly> thanks
[13:49] <theblazehen> superfly: Which client do you use?
[13:52] <superfly> theblazehen: quassel
[13:53] <theblazehen> Nice. Same here. Wish it had a cli client though.. My terminal looks rather nice if I say so myself
[13:55] <theblazehen> https://i.imgur.com/Q3Px0et.png
[13:57] <theblazehen> one background: https://i.imgur.com/6IQfuwP.jpg . New one is generated every minute with cron job
[14:28] <superfly> theblazehen: https://github.com/magne4000/quassel-webserver
[14:30] <theblazehen> superfly: Doesn't look too bad, local client is alright. Would still like to be able to use say weechat or irssi with it though
[14:31] <superfly> I hear you
[14:31] <superfly> the problem with weechat and irssi is that they are fully-fledged IRC clients. you are basically looking for a terminal-based quassel client :-)
[14:33] <theblazehen> Yup, exactly. Would like it if quassel could also act as a normal bouncer
[14:33] <superfly> sadly, my googling is not turning anything up
[14:34] <theblazehen> Yeah, there's also smuxi, but that doesn't have much in the way of android clients etc
[15:24] <Kilos> i am gona swop drives and see how ssd is doing
[15:24] <Kilos> bbl
[15:24] <Kilos> Maaz watch them
[15:24] <Maaz> oh Kilos I will watch them no problem, but you better be back soon!
[15:36] <Kilos> ssd rather lots faster
[15:36] <Kilos> the trim command trimmed lots
[15:37] <Kilos><PHONE_NUMBER>84 bytes were trimmed
[15:38] <Kilos> pity they so expensive
[15:48] <magespawn> hi all
[15:57] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[15:58] <magespawn> i missed all that other converstion, my computer froze
[15:58] <magespawn> conversation too
[15:58] <Kilos> konversation
[15:59] <Kilos> sorry i cant help, moved to ssd
[15:59] <Kilos> theblazehen can you fill magespawn in please
[15:59] <superfly> hi Kilos, magespawn
[15:59] <Kilos> hi superfly
[16:00] <theblazehen> Kilos: Hmm, client lost my logs when internet went out :/ sorry
[16:00] <Kilos> ouch
[16:00] <magespawn> hi superfly
[16:00] <magespawn> no worries
[16:00] <magespawn> hi theblazehen
[16:00] <Kilos> we spoke about getting ssds to perform better magespawn
[16:00] <Kilos> command is
[16:00] <theblazehen> Hi magespawn
[16:00] <Kilos> sudo fstrim -v /
[16:01] <theblazehen> fstrim, yeah. Kilos if you have discard for your drive options in /etc/fstab then you're good
[16:01] <Kilos> works on older drives that have had things deleted
[16:01] <Kilos> lemme look there
[16:03] <Kilos> nope theblazehen
[16:04] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info/mmm8f3gc
[16:04] <Kilos> superfly i like your im not a robot goodie
[16:04] <Kilos> better than those crooked letters i battle to see
[16:05] <magespawn> i have two new toys, a nas enclosure and a raspberry B+
[16:05] <Kilos> im trying to member what a nas enclosure is
[16:06] <magespawn> Network Attached Storage
[16:06] <Kilos> with a drive in
[16:06] <Kilos> that crazy guy was marketing them
[16:06] <magespawn> yes, it is an old one so only takes ide, has an 80 gig in it at the moment
[16:07] <Kilos> then i know what you are talking about
[16:07] <Kilos> handy to have
[16:08] <Kilos> ide drives are cheap compared to ssd
[16:08] <Kilos> i bought a 1TB drive for same price as a second hand 128g ssd
[16:08] <Kilos> now to see how long it lasts
[16:09] <magespawn> always handy to have more storage
[16:09] <theblazehen> Kilos: change the errors... to discard,errors...
[16:13] <Kilos> ok ty
[16:14] <Kilos> this line theblazehen
[16:15] <Kilos> UUID=aeb4d033-ce06-4a07-b05b-af3427e412e4 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[16:19] <Kilos> only place i see errors
[16:24] <theblazehen> yes
[16:24] <Kilos> ty
[16:24] <theblazehen> so discard,errors=remount-ro
[16:24] <theblazehen> Cool
[16:24] <Kilos> ty lad
[16:34] <Kilos> hi zipper
[17:06] <Kilos> Maaz seen inetpro
[17:06] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 3 hours, 41 minutes and 51 seconds ago in private on freenode [2016-02-21 05:24:17 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2016-02-17 03:50:33 PST
[17:06] <Kilos> aw missed him
[17:06] <Kilos> hi there inetpro
[17:07] <Kilos> laptops have many drawbacks, you cant just plug in and extra drive to work on
[17:29] <magespawn> i have seen a few that have had an extra space for another drive
[17:30] <magespawn> i also saw, somewhere, a way to remove the cd rom so that you could have an extra drive
[17:31] <theblazehen> magespawn: Yeah, think cd rom is normally sata? In that case, worst case just some duct tape or something
[17:33] <Kilos> ydes but you need what they call a caddy to put an extra drive in place of the dvd
[17:33] <Kilos> and that around R1500
[17:33] <theblazehen> Kilos: I think you can make do with DIY though?
[17:34] <Kilos> most likely if the connectors are the same you could pad it up with some polystyrene strips i suppose
[17:34] <Kilos> will look into that
[17:35] <theblazehen> Yeah, I think it should be the same
[17:36] <Kilos> ill femove this dvd and look
[17:36] <Kilos> remove
[17:36] <theblazehen> Otherwise you could always put the normal hard drive in a usb enclosure or something?
[17:37] <Kilos> Cryterion you on another pc?
[17:37] <Kilos> where is your cloak
[17:38] <Cryterion> Kilos no same one
[17:38] <Kilos> oh my
[17:38] <Cryterion> having a look now
[17:38] <Kilos> cloak missing
[17:39] <Kilos> it didnt even say changing host
[17:40] <Kilos> thats better
[17:40] <Kilos> what was wrong
[17:41] <Cryterion> restarted client
[17:41] <Cryterion> don't think I had since it was activated
[17:42] <Kilos> oh my
[17:43] <Cryterion> going to check on my troops, here but not here ;)
[17:43] <Kilos> huh
[17:43] <Cryterion> illyriad
[17:43] <Kilos> oh kids
[17:43] <Kilos> whats that
[17:44] <Cryterion> not, dropped them off at home already
[17:44] <Cryterion> illyriad is a deep strategy mmorts game based in ancient times
[17:44] <Cryterion> http://www.illyriad.co.uk
[17:45] <Kilos> online game?
[17:45] <Cryterion> yes
[17:45] <Kilos> aw
[17:45] <Cryterion> browser based
[17:46] <Kilos> i love those games but online is not an option
[17:46] <Kilos> 0ad is at least in the repos
[17:46] <Kilos> you uncapped peeps are spoiled
[17:48] <Cryterion> 0ad is yes, never got far with it yet, was still thinking of setting up a basic server to start learning online based game programming, just not much time atm
[17:48] <Kilos> lol
[17:49] <Cryterion> uncapped only works if the wire aren't corroded, 2nd time this year telkom has been out to fix wire at the pole
[17:49] <Kilos> ouch
[17:50] <Cryterion> the get 1 more quick fix, then they gotta change the cable
[17:50] <Kilos> lol
[17:50] <Kilos> maintenance is poor on everything
[17:50] <Cryterion> only 3 pairs in the cable I think, on the 2nd, if third is still there
[17:51] <Kilos> no chance of getting ftth
[17:51] <Cryterion> I give it 2 months, and I'll log a breakdown
[17:51] <Kilos> i saw an add somewhere , someone was offering free ftth for test purposes
[17:52] <Cryterion> ftth?
[17:52] <Kilos> fibre to the home
[17:52] <Cryterion> not yet there
[17:52] <Kilos> maybe mweb or one of them
[17:52] <Cryterion> lines aren't laid yet
[17:53] <Kilos> ai!
[17:53] <Cryterion> the fibre went south coast of Durban first, nothing more as yet
[17:53] <Kilos> ah
[17:54] <Cryterion> toti might have, but it was more the scottburgh area they set it up
[17:54] <Kilos> haha the diva learned ninja moves from watching ninja movies
[17:54] <Cryterion> lol
[17:55] <Cryterion> And I don't see telkom, or their subs digging anywhere, only water pipes being fixed
[17:56] <Kilos> eish
[17:56] <Kilos> oh well you young enough
[17:56] <Kilos> maybe one day
[17:56] <Cryterion> I drive around, so get to see
[17:56] <Cryterion> roads being laid twice in a year
[17:56] <Cryterion> grrr
[17:56] <Kilos> wow
[17:57] <Kilos> half jobs
[17:57] <Cryterion> then they decide they need to dig one half up to replace a pipe
[17:57] <Kilos> haha
[17:57] <Cryterion> so the road f'd afterwards anyway
[17:58] <Kilos> yeah
[17:59] <Kilos> i dont understand them all, the durbs to pmb concrete road was built very many years ago with minimum maintenance needed but thats the only place that has done it
[18:29] <inetpro> guten abend
[18:33] <inetpro> yes and that counts for you as well oom Kilos
[18:34] <Kilos> haha ty inetpro
[18:34] <inetpro> you guys all asleep here or what?
[18:34] <Kilos> or what
[18:34] <inetpro> ai!
[18:34]  * inetpro sukkel
[18:34] <Kilos> met wat
[18:34] <inetpro> met julle
[18:35] <Kilos> go pm
[18:35] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel
[18:35] <inetpro> lyk my hier gaan niks aan as ek weg is nie man
[18:35] <Kilos> hahaha i told you you are important
[18:35] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:38] <inetpro> so what else did I miss here?
[18:40] <Kilos> lots
[18:40] <Kilos> meeting in 2 days
[18:40] <Kilos> oh
[18:40] <Kilos> and btw
[18:40] <Kilos> where were you
[18:40]  * inetpro has always been here
[18:41] <Kilos> nono
[18:41] <Kilos> i pinged you a few times with no reply
[18:41] <inetpro> oh my...
[18:41] <inetpro> sorry oom
[18:41] <Kilos> so where were you
[18:42] <inetpro> watching cricket, and
[18:42] <inetpro> watching cricket, and...
[18:42] <Kilos> hahahahaha
[18:42] <Kilos> oh my
[18:42] <Kilos> geeks dont do sport
[18:42] <inetpro> ai!
[18:42] <Kilos> todays game was exciting
[18:42] <inetpro> very!
[18:43] <inetpro> giving us some hope again
[18:43] <Kilos> yeah
[18:43] <inetpro> now we just need to play like that when it counts
[18:43] <Kilos> but makes me wonder what happened in the tests
[18:45] <inetpro> it's a young team, they needed to build a bit of new character before...
[18:45] <Kilos> haha
[18:45] <inetpro> I think we have a classy team in the making
[18:46] <Kilos> definitely
[18:46] <Kilos> T20 cup looks promising
[18:46] <inetpro> for sure
[18:48] <Kilos> i gonna sleep soon
[18:48] <Kilos> you all have a good evening and rest for the week ahead
[18:48] <Kilos> you too superfly
[18:48] <superfly> night Kilos
[18:48] <superfly> will do
[18:49] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:49] <Kilos> that counts for you as well inetpro
[18:49] <Kilos> hehe
[18:49] <inetpro> oh, good night oom
[18:49] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:44] <Cryterion> Kilos am I still cloaked?
[19:46] <Cryterion> hmm, he's not here
[19:46] <Cryterion> can anyone else check?
[20:24] <superfly> Cryterion: not at the moment


[03:08] <Wiegand92> Hey everyone! I just installed xubuntu on my old imac core 2 duo and it wont let me connect to wifi, any suggestions?
[03:09] <cfhowlett> Wiegand92, install the wifi driver.
[03:09] <cfhowlett> !wifi | Wiegand92
[03:14] <Wiegand92> Thanks! Was having a hard time finding the right article
[03:15] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[04:02] <Wiegand92> Hey again, so I've downloaded the proper driver for my wifi, and transferred it to my desktop via usb, but now i'm having a hard time actually installing it
[04:03] <Wiegand92> I've unpackaged it on my desktop, but cant find the proper command to install it this way
[04:48] <xangua> Transferred the proper driver meaning?
[04:48] <xangua> What file is this?
[05:02] <Wiegand92> ah sorry just noticed this, I need the bcmwl driver for my imac wifi
[05:03] <Wiegand92> i've downloaded the tar.gz file and transferred it to my desktop
[05:03] <Wiegand92> but i'm hitting a wall with installing the actual driver
[05:04] <Wiegand92> i'm sure it's something stupid i'm overlooking but any help would be appreciated
[14:36] <ollehar> why is my mouse pointer gone everytime after screenblank?
[16:12] <xubuntu78w> help
[16:12] <knome> !ask | xubuntu78w
[16:13] <xubuntu78w> please how to format a pendrive on Xubuntu 14?
[16:14] <knome> format to what?
[16:14] <xubuntu78w> a simple format
[16:15] <knome> you can install gparted and format with it (be careful not to format your hard drives)
[16:15] <xubuntu78w> In Ubuntu, is possible with rigt click of mouse but in a Xubuntu is not
[16:16] <knome> xubuntu is not ubuntu
[16:17] <xubuntu78w> Gpartet is in repository?
[16:17] <knome> gparted. yes.
[16:18] <knome> or "GNOME partition editor"
[16:20] <xubuntu78w> Tanks
[17:01] <xangua> I always thought it was gnu partition!!
[19:27] <Alexfrench> hello all
[19:31] <Spass> hello
[23:34] <xubuntu-user> Hi everybody
[23:34] <knome> hello
[23:34] <xubuntu-user> Is somebody get "issues" with alsamixer ?...
[23:35] <xubuntu-user> I explain myself
[23:35] <knome> why are you not using pavucontrol?
[23:35] <xubuntu-user> Yes I get it
[23:35] <xubuntu-user> Do I have to uninstall alsamixer ?
[23:35] <knome> why would you?
[23:36] <xubuntu-user> Don't know...
[23:36] <knome> pavucontrol is installed by default on xubuntu
[23:36] <xubuntu-user> Yes
[23:36] <knome> it's the default volume control
[23:36] <knome> is there a reason why you can't use that?
[23:36] <xubuntu-user> But... Is it normal when I start my laptop, I don't get sound in the speaker by defaut ?
[23:37] <knome> not necessarily, but how is that related to alsamixer?
[23:38] <xubuntu-user> To get sound through the speaker, I have to unmute "Headphone"
[23:38] <xubuntu-user> in alsamixer
[23:39] <knome> so could you unmute it in pavucontrol?
[23:40] <knome> i'm asking this to figure out if it's related to alsamixer at all or not
[23:40] <xubuntu-user> No I can't in pavucontrol
[23:41] <xubuntu-user> Only in alsamixer
[23:41] <knome> okay, and which xubuntu version are you using?
[23:41] <xubuntu-user> I'm using 16.04
[23:42] <xubuntu-user> xenial
[23:42] <xubuntu-user> When I get sound through speakers, if i plug my headphone in... I get sound through headphones, but if I plug out... There's no sound :(
[23:43] <xubuntu-user> I've to run alsamixer to unmuted it
[23:43] <xubuntu-user> I was asking me if it was normal
[23:43] <xubuntu-user> Or a bug
[23:44] <knome> how did you figure out you can do that from alsamixer?
[23:44] <xubuntu-user> yes
[23:45] <knome> that answer didn't make sense...
[23:45] <knome> did you read the question?
[23:45] <xubuntu-user> cause when I plug out my headphone, "headphone" in alsamixer give me 00 and MM (mute)
[23:45] <knome> so how did you figure alsamixer shows you that?
[23:46] <xubuntu-user> sorry
[23:46] <xubuntu-user> I read this on faq
[23:46] <knome> okay
[23:48] <xubuntu-user> Is there anybody that have this "problem" ?
[23:50] <xubuntu-user> Is it possible that's related to my sound card ?
[23:50] <knome> laptop?
[23:51] <knome> it's possibly a hardware-related issue, yes
[23:51] <xubuntu-user> yes
[23:51] <xubuntu-user> laptop
[23:52] <xubuntu-user> Ok
[23:53] <xubuntu-user> I just fed up to do it manually
[23:55] <xubuntu-user> Well... I believe I will forced to do it like this :(
[23:57] <knome> have you filed a bug?
[23:57] <xubuntu-user> yes
[23:57] <xubuntu-user> No
[23:57] <knome> sigh
[23:58] <xubuntu-user> Sorry yes
[23:58] <xubuntu-user> here --> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155871
[23:58] <xubuntu-user> I'm still waiting :)
[23:59] <knome> it's assigned, so there you go
[23:59] <padgaland> Ok I am having issues with the ISO
[23:59] <xubuntu-user> hoping i'll figure out a solution one day
[23:59] <xubuntu-user> With the ISO ?


[01:32] <meoblast001> hi
[09:33] <macvr> michote: you can remove your attachments from the submissions wiki
[09:34] <macvr> for icons which have been replaced
[09:34] <michote> macvr: ok
[09:34] <macvr> oops! s/replaced/uploaded
[09:40] <michote> macvr: I deleted all my xdg submissions and smiley left in the attachments, thx for removing thme from the wikipage
[09:42] <macvr> michote: np... BTW do you know of any scripts which extract 128px *PNG* from the source svg?
[09:44] <michote> macvr: no, but isn't it possible to change the Breathe-Python-skript to do this?
[09:45] <macvr> i'v been trying to , but didnt get it right :(
[09:46] <macvr> michote: are you doing any more smileys?
[09:47] <michote> macvr: No, I didn't have much time last week ;) . Is there anything left to do?
[09:48] <macvr> there are 3 left
[09:50] <macvr> michote: worried , uncertain, laugh
[09:51] <michote> macvr: laugh? what's the difference to smile/smile-big?
[09:52] <macvr> michote: check this > /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/emotes/face-laugh
[09:53] <macvr> michote: i guess  mouth  wider than surprise should do
[09:56] <michote> macvr: for me It looks very similar to your smile-big, what about labeling this as laugh an creating something like the gnome-smile-big (similar to the devil-grin mouth)?
[09:59] <macvr> michote: actually i didnt like the gnome big smile , hence i did it this way, the laugh can be done similar to devil-grin
[09:59] <michote> macvr: BTW do you know any workaroud get a svg displayed correctly in gnome? monkey, angel, sad, etc looks distorted in nautilus and eog
[09:59] <macvr> AFAIK there is no workaround, let me know if you find some way
[10:00] <macvr> michote: laugh, just with the eyes of devil-grin and same mouth should do it
[10:01] <michote> macvr: same mouth as smile-big?
[10:02] <macvr> no... just the same as devil-grin, just change the color , remove the horns and straighten the teeth, you get laugh
[10:03] <macvr> i mean , no vampire teeth
[10:04] <michote> macvr: ok
[10:19] <michote> macvr: like this? http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1429945/laugh.png
[10:21] <macvr> michote: yeah thats it... just make sure the colors of the mouth match the rest of the smileys
[10:24] <michote> macvr: I took the outline-color from wink which is darker then surprise, should I use a gradient inside the mouth like surprise?
[10:27] <macvr> michote: the outline from surprise would be better , be the thicker stroke too fro the 128px, just to minimize the pixelation , . but not sure about the gradient inside the mouth, you can just put up both the version with & without the gradient and we could choose
[10:27] <macvr> may be the thicker stroke too for the 128px
[10:32] <michote> macvr: I'd prefer the gradient http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1429945/laugh2.png
[10:33] <macvr> michote: looks good, but reduce the opacity of the stroke
[10:36] <michote> macvr: the outine of the mouth?
[10:37] <macvr> michote: yeah, reduce either the opacity or the size of the outline
[10:40] <michote> macvr: than I'll use 1px stroke, because with less opacity the mouth would shine through for the half of the stroke :(
[10:40] <macvr> michote: 1px should do it i guess
[10:41] <michote> macvr: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1429945/laugh2.png
[10:42] <macvr> michote: looks good, :D   the shadow inside the mouth on the teeth can be reduced
[10:44] <michote> macvr: shadow from above or on the sides?
[10:44] <macvr> both
[10:56] <michote> macvr: better? Its a gradient of 23 stops :P http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1429945/laugh.png
[10:57] <macvr> michote: yup.looks good.
[10:57] <macvr> its just ths shadow from devil , didnt suit this smiley ;p
[10:57] <macvr> the^
[10:59] <michote> macvr: yup, do you want me to do the other 2 smileys as well?
[11:00] <macvr> michote: i think it needs to be done sometime... so you can do it when you can
[11:01] <michote> macvr: ok, I'll take a look this week
[11:02] <macvr> :)
[11:04] <JonDoe297> macvr: hi :)
[11:04] <macvr> JonDoe297: where is jane? ;p
[11:05] <JonDoe297> macvr: dunno :)
[11:06] <macvr> JonDoe297: well i guess , if you are a JonDoe yourself , it would be hard to find Jane ;p
[15:26] <SiDi> kwwii: you might have to remind the flickr contributors about the resolution of their photos :)
[15:26] <SiDi> lots of 800x600 / 1024x768 submissions
[15:50] <SiDi_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/28613801@N02/3716239785/in/pool-ubuntu-artwork
[15:50] <SiDi_> WOW
[15:52] <JonDoe297> I wish it had larger resolution :)
[15:52] <SiDi_> im not sure but i think you can upload very high resolutions only if you have a pro account
[15:52] <SiDi_> cause some photos are labeled 1600x1050 and are at 1024x768 too
[15:53] <JonDoe297> :(
[16:19] <kwwii> SiDi_: ouch
[16:19] <kwwii> thanks for the info
[16:26] <SiDi_> (what i said is a mere hypothesis though kwwii)
[16:26] <SiDi_> you may want to contact the photographs and ask them about the resolutions :P
[16:26] <SiDi_> im anyway astounded by the quality of some photos
[16:26] <kwwii> well, the first pic is always the smallest version
[16:27] <kwwii> so many do have larger sizes
[16:27] <kwwii> but I will need to contact anyone with something less than 1600x1200 I guess
[16:27] <kwwii> it seems that others have emailed for larger sizes and received them
[16:30] <SiDi_> do you know if there is a size restriction depending on the type of flickr accounts ?
[16:31] <SiDi_> Also some guy put the photos with a CC by sa NC license
[16:35] <kwwii> yes, there is a file size limit per login with free accounts I think
[23:41] <kwwii> time for bed, night all
[23:45] <SiDi_> night kwwii


[11:46] <kamaron> Hi all. After trying to install edubuntu I have a broken python package and nothing seems to solve it. Could anyone  help me?
[15:49] <highvoltage> Are you the guy who installed ubuntu-tweak?
[15:49] <highvoltage> (oh he's gone)
[18:15] <alkisg> stgraber, ogra_: is it possible to build the edubuntu dvd locally, using the "official" method with seeds/germinate/whatever?
[18:15] <stgraber> no
[18:15] <stgraber> not yet at least
[18:16] <alkisg> stgraber: so the infrastructure to do so is undocumented? It's on some canonical servers?
[18:16] <stgraber> quite a few of the image build scripts are private and only on the cdimage builder. cjwatson is working on rewriting them in python and making them public
[18:16] <alkisg> Ah, I see
[18:19] <alkisg> So, for slightly custom spins (e.g. to work around the problem were greek keyboard layout doesn't work at all, both in the live session and after the installation), one would need to use live-build and develop some scripts of his own....?
[18:20] <stgraber> might be easier to just unpack the squashfs, change what you need, repack it and rebuild the .iso
[18:20] <alkisg> You're probably correct there... :)


[00:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntustudio-menu (impish-proposed/universe) [0.51 => 0.52] (ubuntustudio)
[00:30] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: ^ Something else that was pulling-in xfce deps. We don't need it anymore and may even drop it from JJ.
[01:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntustudio-menu [source] (impish-proposed) [0.52]
[01:38] <mwhudson> uploading glibc now cc vorlon bdmurray
[01:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: glibc (impish-proposed/main) [2.34-0ubuntu2 => 2.34-0ubuntu3] (core, i386-whitelist)
[01:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted glibc [source] (impish-proposed) [2.34-0ubuntu3]
[02:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ukui-panel (impish-proposed/universe) [3.0.4-1 => 3.0.5-1] (ubuntukylin) (sync)
[02:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ukui-panel (impish-proposed/universe) [3.0.4-1 => 3.0.5-1] (ubuntukylin) (sync)
[07:14] <cpaelzer> hi, can we have an ubuntu-release look at this FFE please https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-debian/+bug/1945205 ?
[07:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libdrm (impish-proposed/main) [2.4.107-1 => 2.4.107-8] (core, i386-whitelist, xorg) (sync)
[07:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mesa (impish-proposed/main) [21.2.1-2ubuntu2 => 21.2.2-1ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist, xorg)
[07:59] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, anything we can do to help getting the shell and yaru updates accepted to impish?
[08:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdazzle [amd64] (impish-proposed) [3.42.0-2]
[08:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: netplan.io (impish-proposed/main) [0.103-0ubuntu5 => 0.103-0ubuntu6] (core)
[08:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: llvm-toolchain-9 (impish-proposed/universe) [1:9.0.1-17 => 1:9.0.1-20] (no packageset) (sync)
[08:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted llvm-toolchain-9 [sync] (impish-proposed) [1:9.0.1-20]
[08:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: llvm-toolchain-snapshot (impish-proposed/universe) [1:14~++20210924122635+4a57f5d1e1c5-1~exp1 => 1:14~++20210926041028+6063e6b499c7-1~exp1] (no packageset) (sync)
[08:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted llvm-toolchain-snapshot [sync] (impish-proposed) [1:14~++20210926041028+6063e6b499c7-1~exp1]
[08:30]  * mwhudson glares at amd64 glibc failure, retries
[09:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: alsa-topology-conf (impish-proposed/main) [1.2.4-1 => <IP_ADDRESS>-2] (core) (sync)
[09:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: firefox (impish-proposed/main) [92.0.1+build1-0ubuntu1 => 93.0+build1-0ubuntu1] (mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[09:43] <oSoMoN> release team: that upload of firefox is the first RC for 93.0, scheduled to be released in a week, on October 5, before final freeze
[10:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: firefox (impish-proposed/main) [92.0.1+build1-0ubuntu1 => 93.0+build1-0ubuntu2] (mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[10:28] <oSoMoN> and that other upload fixes autopkgtests, please reject 93.0+build1-0ubuntu1
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fcitx5-gtk [amd64] (impish-proposed) [5.0.3-1ubuntu1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fcitx5-gtk [armhf] (impish-proposed) [5.0.3-1ubuntu1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fcitx5-gtk [riscv64] (impish-proposed) [5.0.3-1ubuntu1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fcitx5-gtk [arm64] (impish-proposed) [5.0.3-1ubuntu1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fcitx5-gtk [s390x] (impish-proposed) [5.0.3-1ubuntu1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fcitx5-gtk [ppc64el] (impish-proposed) [5.0.3-1ubuntu1]
[11:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: thermald (hirsute-proposed/main) [2.4.3-1ubuntu2 => 2.4.3-1ubuntu3] (core)
[12:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fence-agents (impish-proposed/universe) [4.7.1-1ubuntu6 => 4.7.1-1ubuntu7] (ubuntu-server)
[12:57] <cpaelzer> Hi, we are looking for some ubuntu-release help - on one hand an FFE ack on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-debian/+bug/1945205
[12:57] <cpaelzer> and OTOH an accept of fence-agents from impish-unapproved (related to a MIR)
[13:01] <bdmurray> cpaelzer: I'll have a look in a bit
[13:10] <apw>   /q bdmurray
[13:12] <cpaelzer> thank you bdmurray
[13:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apache2 (impish-proposed/main) [2.4.48-3.1ubuntu2 => 2.4.48-3.1ubuntu3] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell [source] (impish-proposed) [40.5-1ubuntu1]
[13:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted yaru-theme [source] (impish-proposed) [21.10.2]
[13:37] <fheimes> hi, could someone please reject "s390-tools (source) 2.12.0-0ubuntu3.4" in the focal unapproved queue (it misses a build dependency) -- s390-tools-signed package can stay ...
[13:59] <cpaelzer> kanashiro: athos: FYI bdmurray above said he will have a look for the python-debian FFE and the fence-agent in impish-unapproved
[14:01] <athos> thanks! :)
[14:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected s390-tools [source] (focal-proposed) [2.12.0-0ubuntu3.4]
[14:10] <ginggs> bdmurray: hi!  in case you missed it yesterday, there's a diff of mobile-bb-provider-info in my PPA https://launchpadlibrarian.net/560030430/mobile-broadband-provider-info_20201225-1_20210805-1~ppa1.diff.gz
[15:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mobile-broadband-provider-info [sync] (impish-proposed) [20210805-1]
[15:08] <bdmurray> ginggs: Is that package something that would benefit from an SRU exception?
[15:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fence-agents [source] (impish-proposed) [4.7.1-1ubuntu7]
[15:25] <ginggs> bdmurray: so that it can be updated in LTSes?  that would be useful
[15:25] <bdmurray> ginggs: It seems like it might fit under hardware-enablement I didn't think too deeply about it
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pam [source] (focal-proposed) [1.3.1-5ubuntu4.3]
[16:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gudev-sharp-1.0 (impish-proposed/universe) [0.1-4.1 => 0.1-4.1ubuntu1] (cli-mono)
[16:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gudev-sharp-1.0 [source] (impish-proposed) [0.1-4.1ubuntu1]
[16:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: knewstuff (impish-proposed/universe) [5.86.0-0ubuntu1 => 5.86.0-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu)
[16:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected firefox [source] (impish-proposed) [93.0+build1-0ubuntu1]
[16:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected llvm-toolchain-12 [sync] (impish-proposed) [1:12.0.1-9]
[16:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ukui-panel [sync] (impish-proposed) [3.0.5-1]
[16:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ukui-panel [sync] (impish-proposed) [3.0.5-1]
[17:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gudev-sharp-1.0 [amd64] (impish-proposed/universe) [0.1-4.1ubuntu1] (cli-mono)
[17:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted simple-scan [sync] (impish-proposed) [40.5-1]
[17:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gst-libav1.0 [sync] (impish-proposed) [1.18.5-1]
[17:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mutter [source] (impish-proposed) [40.5-1ubuntu1]
[18:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fetchmail [sync] (impish-proposed) [6.4.22-1]
[18:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-debian (impish-proposed/main) [0.1.39 => 0.1.39ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[18:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-debian [source] (impish-proposed) [0.1.39ubuntu1]
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted virtualbox [source] (focal-proposed) [6.1.26-dfsg-3~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[18:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted virtualbox-hwe [source] (focal-proposed) [6.1.26-dfsg-3~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gudev-sharp-1.0 [amd64] (impish-proposed) [0.1-4.1ubuntu1]
[18:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted firefox [source] (impish-proposed) [93.0+build1-0ubuntu2]
[18:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted netplan.io [source] (impish-proposed) [0.103-0ubuntu6]
[19:12] <kanashiro> ubuntu-archive: could any of you promote fence-agents to main? More info on LP #1927004
[20:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ruby-ffi (impish-proposed/universe) [1.12.2+dfsg-2build5.1 => 1.12.2+dfsg-2ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ruby-ffi [source] (impish-proposed) [1.12.2+dfsg-2ubuntu1]
[20:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gtk4 [sync] (impish-proposed) [4.4.0+ds1-5]
[20:16] <kanashiro> FWIW this ruby-ffi upload ^ is needed to unblock ruby2.7 from proposed
[20:18] <vorlon> kanashiro: done
[20:19] <kanashiro> vorlon, thanks!
[20:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-user-docs [source] (impish-proposed) [40.5-1ubuntu1]
[20:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted devhelp [sync] (impish-proposed) [41.1-1]
[22:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: llvm-defaults (impish-proposed/universe) [0.52~exp2ubuntu1 => 0.53~exp1] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[22:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: llvm-toolchain-11 (impish-proposed/main) [1:11.0.1-2ubuntu6 => 1:11.1.0-2] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server) (sync)
[22:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted llvm-defaults [sync] (impish-proposed) [0.53~exp1]
[22:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apache2 [source] (impish-proposed) [2.4.48-3.1ubuntu3]
[22:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted knewstuff [source] (impish-proposed) [5.86.0-0ubuntu2]
[22:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: budgie-desktop-environment (impish-proposed/universe) [0.16.2 => 0.16.3] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[22:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apache2 (bionic-proposed/main) [2.4.29-1ubuntu4.18 => 2.4.29-1ubuntu4.19] (ubuntu-server)
[22:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apache2 (focal-proposed/main) [2.4.41-4ubuntu3.6 => 2.4.41-4ubuntu3.7] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[23:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apache2 [source] (focal-proposed) [2.4.41-4ubuntu3.7]
[23:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apache2 [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.4.29-1ubuntu4.19]
[23:18] <vorlon> RAOF: hi, where could I find more information about why libmirclient-dev was dropped as "legacy"? there is still a libmirclient10 runtime package, and there are function calls like mir_prompt_session_new_fds_for_prompt_providers() which are present in libmirclient10, and e.g. lomiri-app-launch wants to use but are no longer in any exported headers
[23:43] <RAOF> vorlon: We're in the (drawn out) process of removing all that code.
[23:44] <RAOF> We stopped publishing the headers, but had to keep the libmirclient.so around as it was still used in a bunch of our tests.
[23:45] <RAOF> (And, due to protobuf weirdness, we couldn't statically link that stuff in)
[23:45] <RAOF> In trunk that code is all dead, and there's no longer an option for Mir to expose a socket that libmirclient could connect to.
[23:49] <RAOF> It's perhaps also worth mentioning that the version of Mir in the archive doesn't expose a socket that libmirclient can connect to unless the user passes a non-default option to MIr.
[23:54] <RAOF> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/mir-2-0-0-release/17510 is the announcement from last year.
[23:55] <RAOF> Oh, it's also worth mentioning that anything that tries to use the mirclient socket in anger will find that it no longer works for anything but stub cases required by our tests.