[01:10] <genii> LjL: I just got in there, but when I checked backscroll, someone told him the rm syntax then got disconnected, next you know he is saying home folder is gone...so I figured innocent combination of circumstances
[01:11] <LjL> genii: could be. i have my doubts about it, but then i guess i sometimes underestimate people's utter stupidity
[01:11] <LjL> i'll make it into a redirect
[01:13] <genii> Something like "Two things may be infinite, the universe and human stupidity...and I'm not sure about the universe" comes to mind.....
[01:19] <Seeker`> LjL: unban me plz
[01:20] <LjL> Seeker`: ... you're not banned?
[01:20] <LjL> oh, there's a +d
[01:20] <LjL> you forgot to remove it :P
[01:20] <Seeker`> -03:20:07- [freenode] ~s~ Cannot join to channel #ubuntu-release-party (You are banned)
[01:20] <genii> -release-party officially opens 22nd or 23rd?
[01:21] <LjL> genii: it officially opens when debian says so
[01:21] <LjL> genii: ask #debian
[01:21] <LjL> genii: tell everyone to ask #debian
[01:21] <LjL> genii: (don't)
[01:21] <genii> Hmm
[01:23] <genii> tsimpson: Don't lose faith in ppl, only *some* of them aren't worth having faith in
[01:24] <tsimpson> sometimes, I  wish the clue-bat wan't metaphorical...
[01:24] <genii> LjL: I recall once being sent to #debian on some ubuntu question, man did they lambast me
[01:25] <genii> It's just cruel to send ppl there.....
[02:11] <genii> Guess we should keep an eye out for DrCheese now in the other spots. I saw them first in #x and now -offtopic ....
[02:11] <LjL> and +1
[02:11] <LjL> anyway drcheese is ntfs is john_nel, check the bantracker
[02:13] <genii> I always forget to check it :(
[02:27] <LjL> PM: [03:16:31] <DrCheese> you cant see me
[02:28] <LjL> i think that's the time he trolled #ubuntu-devel
[02:28] <LjL> and he's now trolling #gentoo-ops
[02:28] <LjL> !staff | DrCheese doesn't need to be on this network
[02:28] <LjL> Ampelbein: hi, how can we help you
[02:29] <Ampelbein> LjL: i think i came here by accident.
[02:29] <Ampelbein> will leave now.
[02:30] <LjL> uh
[02:30] <LjL> @bansearch Ampelbein
[02:30] <LjL> *shrug*
[02:32] <LjL> !no\ u > rww
[02:32] <LjL> !no\ u-#ubuntu-offtopic > rww
[02:37] <tsimpson> LjL: yes, it was me ;)
[02:39] <LjL> tsimpson: it could have been you or jussi. it's not jussi because his client is not attached, so it's you.
[02:40] <tsimpson> LjL: I don't even think jussi knows about it yet
[02:41] <Flannel> About what?
[02:41] <tsimpson> it's a plugin that "accidentally" got into ubottu
[02:41]  * Flannel has been reading scrollback, can't figure it out.
[02:41] <Flannel> oh, a tell sort of thing?
[02:42] <Flannel> Or, say, i suppose.
[02:42] <tsimpson> yeah
[02:42] <tsimpson> but locked to anyone but "Owner"s
[02:42] <Flannel> Is that a separate plugin? or just supybot?
[02:42] <Flannel> right
[02:42] <Flannel> That's core supybot, I thought
[02:43] <tsimpson> well I wrote it a while ago, it just has send and do, but it was for my dev-bot
[02:43] <tsimpson> it got synced into ubottu sometime
[02:43] <LjL> ubottu: action probably has got more
[02:43]  * ubottu probably has got more
[02:43] <tsimpson> it was just for debugging some stuff
[02:44] <tsimpson> umm, Reply isn't supposed to be loaded, oh well
[02:45] <LjL> ubottu: action thinks my owner isn't very good ad adminning me
[02:45]  * ubottu thinks my owner isn't very good ad adminning me
[02:45] <tsimpson> we can still see your message
[02:45] <LjL> you can?
[02:45] <tsimpson> yes
[02:45] <LjL> +v shouldn't allow that
[02:45] <tsimpson> [02:45]<LjL> ubottu: action thinks my owner isn't very good ad adminning me
[02:46] <LjL> oh, MY +v
[02:46] <LjL> of course.
[02:46] <tsimpson> ah, yes
[02:46] <LjL> anyway.
[02:47] <LjL> tsimpson: :/
[02:47] <tsimpson> heh
[02:47] <tsimpson> @load Reply
[02:47]  * ubottu thinks LjL wouldn't be that much better at all. Perhaps jdong, at least we'd have a good laugh
[02:58] <genii> I still wonder why ubottu goes twice everytime i @lart someone in -offtopic
[03:00] <tsimpson> genii: because it reads the command twice
[03:00] <genii> LjL: Hahahaha      the judo chop one was so .... ironic....
[03:09] <stew> so please ping me personally if you guys have any more trouble at all from someone you suspect to be DrCheese/NTFS
[03:10] <LjL> stew, if you're planning to be in this channel, perhaps we could add you to the !staff factoid?
[03:11] <stew> LjL: please
[03:12] <LjL> done
[03:37] <genii> Hmm. !panels has:  "Did you panels disappear? ..."  I think it needs an "r" in there...
[03:40] <tsimpson> !panels
[03:41] <tsimpson> genii: where?
[03:42] <genii> tsimpson: #xubuntu
[03:42] <tsimpson> !panels-#xubuntu
[03:42] <tsimpson> !panels-#xubuntu ~/you/your/
[03:42] <tsimpson> !panels-#xubuntu ~= /you/your/
[03:42] <genii> Weird
[03:42] <tsimpson> erm, I know how to do it, really
[03:43] <tsimpson> !panels-#xubuntu ~= s/you/your/
[03:43] <tsimpson> !panels-#xubuntu
[03:43] <tsimpson> gerrr
[03:43] <tsimpson> !no panels-#xubuntu is <reply> Did your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/
[03:44]  * tsimpson whacks ubottu with the "Work-Damn-It" bat
[03:47] <tsimpson> again, I MUST ask...
[03:47] <tsimpson> why, oh why, is Fujisan in -ot?
[04:16] <genii> "random_asshole" in #u
[04:16] <genii> (a heads-up)
[04:22] <Jack_Sparrow> !idle
[04:24] <random_person> I need to be unbanned from #ubuntu please
 You should all format your hard drives and switch to gentoo.
[04:25] <random_person> That was a joke. No sense of humor?
[04:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Nope
[04:25] <random_person> Very unfortunate.
[04:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Please return in 24 hours after you have read the coc for ubuntu, thanks
[04:25] <random_person> You're not very nice!
[05:07] <genii> Damn. Everyone's abandoning ship or something
[05:36] <Flannel> genii: its stinking! its stinking!
[05:36] <Flannel> er, sinking.
[05:37] <genii> Maybe both...
[05:55]  * genii-around kicks jussi01's quassel core a bit
[05:57]  * genii sips experimentaly
[05:57] <Flannel> upside down?
[05:57] <Flannel> from the backside of your cup?
[05:57] <genii> Damn. Forgot I need to setup Konversation for cloak, etc
[05:58] <genii> Flannel: I think that is what is described in the movie "Airplane" as a drinking problem....
[06:34] <ikonia> areje battering me with dcc requests for files
[06:39] <Flannel> which channel?
[06:39] <Flannel> #k?
[07:29] <CaptainMorgan> Flannel, what gives?
[07:30] <Flannel> CaptainMorgan: It became obvious your question wasn't real?
[07:31] <Flannel> sigh.
[07:31] <Flannel> and he goes back to doing it.
[07:33]  * genii hands Flannel a refreshing beverage of some sort
[07:34] <Flannel> When he asked if he needed a password to power on his computer, and then when I replied with "yep, you have to type in your password to turn the power on" and it didn't phase him...
[07:35] <Flannel> I suppose its ignorance instead of malice.
[07:35] <genii> Probably
[07:35] <genii> Then again maybe he has some BIOS password or who knows
[07:36] <Flannel> No, no.  He's asking about it.  He started out trying to tell us that full disk encryption was when you had to type your password to log in.
[07:38] <Flannel> But, I may just be irritable.  Seems to be happening recently.
[07:42] <genii> Me too, a bit. Sometimes good to take a break
[08:36] <elky> Flannel, while stupidity isnt as bad as malice, both are equally dangerous.
[08:37] <genii> Interesting, didn't know tsimpson was stdin til his exit mask showed up
[09:16]  * genii sips and waits impatiently on hold
[09:27]  * jussi01 slaps genii around with a large trout...
[09:27] <genii> Ouch!
[09:27] <genii> Wow, it's 4:30AM already. I better get a nap before work
[09:28]  * genii smells like fish at both ends now
[09:28] <genii> jussi01: Core seemed to go flakey a bit, my msgs are in #quassel
[09:33] <ikonia> Jak_o_Shadows = panarchy I think
[09:35] <ikonia> Registered : Apr 14 02:50:30 2009 (1 day, 05:44:14 ago)
[09:47] <ikonia> christel: be interesting to see if Jak_o_Shadows asks for a cloak shortly in #freenode
[10:01] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu histo giving out bad advice - not thinking before offering suggestions
[10:14] <Myrtti> holy hell, did the sky fall down
[10:16] <ikonia> hell has frozen over
[10:38] <jussi01> again?
[10:38] <ikonia> yes
[10:52] <Myrtti> seeing something like this makes me uneasy
[10:52] <Myrtti> [12:51] < amishtechie> you can use this to find and deelete files  find . -type f -name  "FILE-TO-FIND" -exec rm -f {} \;
[10:53] <ikonia> it's well formated
[10:53] <Myrtti> I'm not saying it's not
[10:54] <ikonia> no, I'd be more worried if it was a bit sloppy
[10:54] <Myrtti> it's just something I'd rather not see anyone suggest to a newbie who just asked how to remove all .txt files in a dir
[10:54] <ikonia> yes,
[10:54] <jpds> -exec rm -fvi {} \;
[10:56] <Myrtti> I myself have limited understanding about the bits and pieces in rm and find
[10:56] <Myrtti> so I would never give that kind of advice to anyone
[10:58] <Myrtti> and what does this do: [12:57] < aaditya> bolt_: try `sudo init 6`
[11:08] <bazhang> WastePota1o hugs PulseAudio <3  <-- he is not in the channel; how is he doing that?
[11:09] <ikonia> which channel is he doing that in ?
[11:10] <bazhang> here ikonia
[11:10] <ikonia> in -opss  ?
[11:10] <ikonia> I can't see that
[11:10] <ikonia> ar eyou sure your client is not borked ?
[11:10] <ikonia> my issis sometimes leaves other channels spilling into my current
[11:10] <jpds> Not with +n set, he can't.
[11:11] <ikonia> I can't see him saying anything in -ops
[11:11] <Myrtti> or -ot or #u
[11:11] <bazhang> odd, I logged in, and saw that here
[11:12] <ikonia> irssi spillage ?
[11:12] <bazhang> perhaps xchat weirdness here
[11:13] <bazhang> never heard of #free-as-in-node though
[11:15] <jpds> Myrtti: Puts the system into rRunlevel 6 aka reboot.
[11:17] <Myrtti> jpds: so he suggested that to a flash problem
[11:17] <Myrtti> nice.
[11:17] <ikonia> Myrtti: who did that ?
[11:18] <ikonia> mega, here is bolt_
[11:22] <Myrtti> ikonia: [12:57] < aaditya> bolt_: try `sudo init 6`
[11:22] <ikonia> Myrtti: him again
[11:22] <ikonia> him and another guy where making dubious advice comments earlier
[11:23] <Myrtti> he seems to be full of them judging from lastlog
[11:28] <popey> getting prv from bolt_ now telling me "youtube doesnt work"
[11:29] <ikonia> popey: push him back into the channel
[11:29] <ikonia> popey: trying to get him in line a bit over the last few days
[11:29] <popey> ok
[11:29] <ikonia> ta
[11:29] <popey> @login
[11:34] <bazhang> wonder if barbadillo in #kubuntu is the same as banned joker
[11:35] <ikonia> -ops-mon picks up nothing
[11:36] <bazhang> sure has a foul mouth and attitude
[11:37]  * ikonia has eyes on
[11:40] <bazhang> bolt_ is suddenly off the beta and back on intrepid? hmm (same questions about 'remote not working')
[11:41] <ikonia> fed up of histo and his smart mouth
[11:41] <ikonia> aaditya: I didn't ask you to join #ubuntu-ops
[11:41] <ikonia> aaditya: do you need anything ?
[11:41] <histo> yes whatup
[11:41] <ikonia> histo: one moment
[11:41] <aaditya> ikonia: curiosity brought me here..
 please part
[11:42] <aaditya> is this area restricted?
[11:42] <aaditya> alright
[11:42] <histo> ikonia: you can message me if you want.
[11:42] <ikonia> aaditya: ok - well please check the topic and if there is nothing you want
[11:42] <ikonia> histo: what's with the attitude  ?
[11:42] <ikonia> histo: aaditya a user suggested init 6 (reboot) to fix a remote control issue -
[11:43] <ikonia> how is that an "init lecture"
[11:43] <histo> ikonia: for some reason when you first started talking it just set me off.
[11:43] <histo> ikonia: you rubbed me the wrong way so to say from the get go.
[11:43] <histo> ikonia: then I was just messing with youj.
[11:43] <ikonia> histo: why because you gave someoen the wrong advice and got corrected
[11:43] <histo> ikonia: when I came in to the conversation my advice would have worked.
[11:43] <ikonia> histo: no - it wouldn't
[11:44] <histo> ikonia: he was asking how to stop X not permanently when I got there.
[11:44] <ikonia> telling someone to go to init 1 to resolve an X issue is not needed
[11:44] <ikonia> single usr mode is not needed as I explained
[11:44] <histo> listen i'm not going to argue about it I really could care less.
[11:44] <ikonia> then please keep smart mouth comments to yourself in #ubuntu
[11:45] <ikonia> I'm not going to allow someone to advise someone to reboot to fix a remote control issue - and I certainly don't appreciate smart comments about it
[11:45] <histo> seriously?
[11:45] <histo> wow.
[11:45] <ikonia> yeah, seriously
[11:45] <histo> some people are unbelievable.
[11:46] <ikonia> not really - just asking for you to consider what you say in a support channel
[11:46] <histo> i've been around for a long time, I can't believe some peoples attitudes either. I left you alone made one comment and you have a major bug about it.
[11:46] <histo> Keep in mind a voluntary support channel.
[11:46] <ikonia> histo: that has nothing to do with it
[11:46] <ikonia> histo: there was no need for a smart mouth comment - especially when someone was dishing out poor / dagouers advice
[11:47] <histo> i'm getting no where with you and there is no point to discuss it further.
[11:47] <Myrtti> since when has "voluntary support channel" meant you're allowed to give bad/smartass advice?
[11:47] <Myrtti> or that it's ok?
[11:47] <histo> if you don't think my advice was proper then dont' listen to it.
[11:47] <Myrtti> I'm lost here
[11:47] <Myrtti> histo: we know it wasn't pr...
[11:47] <Myrtti> fine
[11:47] <ikonia> nah - thats not acceptable
[11:50]  * Myrtti looks at bolt_ boggle eyes
[11:50] <Myrtti> s/eyes/eyed/
[11:51] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops histo smart mouth/attitude
[11:51] <ikonia> I'm sure he'll be back now I've put a forward on
[11:51] <bazhang> more fun ahead
[11:52] <histo> seriously ?
[11:52] <ikonia> histo: I'm sorry I had to forward you back here - but you left before actually completing the conversation
[11:52] <histo> I don't wish to speak with you.
[11:52] <histo> is that not accetible to you.
[11:52] <ikonia> your behavioru in #ubuntu is unacceptable
[11:53] <bazhang> histo, this needs to be resolved
[11:53] <ikonia> so unless we address it and get an agrement there is no way to move forward
[11:53] <ikonia> bottom line is just think about what you say in the support channel
[11:53] <histo> You do what you feel is necessary.
[11:53] <ikonia> there are is no need for smart comments, everyone makes mistakes about advice, myself included, but the smart comments aren't the way to go
[11:54] <histo> I'm done with the matter, and over it.
[11:54] <ikonia> well you can ignore this conversation as much as you like as until you sit down and get in agreement you won't be going back in to #ubuntu
[11:55] <ikonia> histo: so - I'm done with it too for the moment
[11:55] <histo> I think thats a little rediculous. Consittering the issue at hand.
[11:55] <ikonia> come back when you want to not be over it and talk about it
[11:55] <ikonia> thanks
[11:55] <histo> What is there to talk about?
[11:55] <histo> I made a suggestion you didn't like it. It t'd me off and I made a coment.
[11:56] <histo> here we are.
[11:56] <ikonia> that's not how it went as well you know
[11:56] <histo> THen how did it go in yoru mind?
[11:56] <ikonia> I pulled someone else up for making a dangerous advice/command to someone - and you made a smart mouth comment about more init lecturs
[11:56] <Myrtti> the thing is, while we know some comments and "solutions" some people choose to give at #ubuntu are not good, usually the people they're really given to don't.
[11:56] <bazhang> histo, we all saw it.
[11:57] <histo> IS THAT NOT WHAT I JSUT SAID.
[11:57] <histo> I seriously am conserting leaving the communtiy.
[11:57] <ikonia> thats your decision to make
[11:57] <ikonia> but I'm only talking about this incident in irc
[11:58] <histo> and what resolution do you want?
[11:58] <ikonia> I'm just asking you (again) to consider the comments you make in the support channel,
[11:58] <histo> Its in the past as I said.
[11:58] <histo> I will I haven't comented since, and I most likely will not to avoid getting banned in the future.
[11:58] <ikonia> if you want to take that childish attitude - thats your call to make
[11:59] <ikonia> you've not commented because you've been banned from the channel
[11:59] <histo> I'm not taking a childish attitude.
[11:59] <ikonia> so that doesn't make any sense
[11:59] <ikonia> all I'm asking is to just consider what you say to people,
[11:59] <histo> I feel that you are being childish I dropped the issue. But yet you want an appology or a cookie or something from me.
[12:00] <ikonia> I'm not disucssing it further while you have this attitude
[12:00] <histo> unbelievable.
[12:00] <Myrtti> hrm
[12:00] <histo> Myrtti: am I being unreasonable here?
[12:01] <popey> You dont seem able to accept the remote possibility that you might have made a mistake.
[12:01] <histo> I admitted I did
[12:01] <histo> scroll up
[12:01] <histo> I made a suggestion he didn't like.
[12:01] <histo> then he corrected it
[12:01] <ikonia> no you didn't
[12:01] <histo> that set me off.
[12:01] <popey> you have not
[12:02] <histo> I made a smart comment.
[12:02] <histo> Thats what I said earlier.
[12:02] <histo> scroll up
[12:02] <histo> How is any of that not accepting what happened. That is INDEED what happened.
[12:02] <ikonia> so all I was asking that you consider what you say to people in the channel in future, that's it
[12:03] <ikonia> there was no need for the smart comment, less so when someone was offering a dangeourous command,
[12:03] <ikonia> so if you can just consider what you say in the channel - thats all I'm asking
[12:04] <histo> I will consider that other people will disagree with my advice and I have to accept that.
[12:04] <histo> LIKE I SAID ABOVE
[12:04] <ikonia> it's not about the advice
[12:04] <ikonia> you still don't get it
[12:05] <histo> its about the smart comment?
[12:05] <ikonia> that's why I asked you to join
[12:05] <histo> Like I explained I was upset with the way you started in about my advice.
[12:06] <histo> Thats how the smart comment came about.
[12:06] <bazhang> apt-get install hydrogen?
[12:06] <ikonia> I knkow that
[12:06] <ikonia> oops
[12:06] <ikonia> I know that - that doesn't make it "ok" - hence why I'm asking you to clam down - and think about what you say
[12:07] <histo> Then why do you think I still don't get it?
[12:07] <ikonia> because you keep going on about disagreeing with your advice
[12:07] <histo> Well because thats what set me off.
[12:07] <histo> was the way you did it.
[12:07] <Moniker42> not to interject too randomly i hope, but i think people are just getting sore fingers...
[12:07] <ikonia> I understnad that
[12:07] <histo> yes
[12:08] <Moniker42> but perhaps it would be best to let the issue rest with the ban in place for a day or two if it is not already resolved satisfactorily?
[12:08] <Moniker42> there are plenty of ubuntu and oss channels in the meantime, histo.
[12:08] <histo> I can't believe i'm being banned for this.  I think some of you should look at the logs.
[12:08] <ikonia> Moniker42: I'm happy to resolve it, I don't think there was mallive there, it just seems hard to get histo to agree to clam down and just agree to think about what he says
[12:08]  * Myrtti feels grumpy with a sore bum
[12:09] <histo> and by looking at the logs I mean look at years past and see how long i've been around and giving advice, and just because of one incident that i'm already over but ikonia won't get over i'm banned.
[12:09] <Myrtti> I'd be ready to assume good faith here with everything histo has said here
[12:09] <Myrtti> but YMMV
[12:09] <histo> This is really disapointing me.
[12:09] <ikonia> histo: no-one is disputing your service,
[12:09] <ikonia> histo: it's not a hard thing sto say "yup, no problem" when asked to calm down and consider what you say
[12:10] <bazhang> a cooling off period might be best.
[12:10] <histo> its not really service its somethign to do with my free time, and if you think i'm going to appoligze thats not going to happen. I've listened to what you've said its a stupid issue and i'm done discussing it WITH YOU.
[12:10] <ikonia> I'm not asking for an apologee - although to be honest, it would be nice manners
[12:10] <ikonia> ok - lets drop discusing it then - the ban will stay
[12:10] <ikonia> histo: if there is nothing else - please leave the channel
[12:11] <histo> Its not going to happen, and I'm quite sadden and I feel that this is an abuse of your power.
[12:11] <ikonia> ok
[12:11] <histo> I've stated what happened even said that "i would consider it in the futre" as ikonia wished but that is still not good enough for him.  I just want others to know that.
[12:11] <ikonia> your making it up now
[12:12] <bazhang> hehe Myrtti
[12:12] <histo> SCROLL UP
[12:12] <popey> 12:04:40 < histo> I will consider that other people will disagree with my advice and I have to accept that.
[12:12] <histo> thatnk you
[12:12] <popey> not the same thing
[12:12] <histo> I will consider it in the future that other people will disagree with my advice and I have to accept that.
[12:13] <histo> Is that better?
[12:13] <popey> thats "I'm right, and I just accept that you might think I'm wrong, but I'm still right in my head and will carry on giving duff advice even if you think it's wrong"
[12:13] <histo> because I am right.
[12:13] <ikonia> it's not about the advice
[12:13] <ikonia> histo: it's about your smart comments
[12:13] <histo> When I came in to the room someone asked how to stop X. I said you can init 1
[12:13] <histo> Ikonia said that's the improper way blah blah blah.
[12:13] <histo> Will that not stop X?
[12:13] <ikonia> no
[12:13] <popey> it not the ideal way to do it
[12:13] <ikonia> it will take it to single user mode
[12:14] <histo> will IT NOT STOP X?
[12:14] <Myrtti> histo: it will stop a lot of other things too, which isn't what is wanted
[12:14] <ikonia> I'm dropping this now
[12:14] <ikonia> this is not about the advice - I said everone makes mistakes
[12:14] <Myrtti> ie. you're giving WRONG advice
[12:14] <ikonia> the ban will stand
[12:14] <bazhang> not good advice imo
[12:14] <popey> agreed, not ideal advice
[12:14] <histo> As I saw the users problem it sounded like the right advice. Then the user talked about stopping x on boot. I suggested using update-rc.d to stop gdm from starting etc..  I realized I was wrong.
[12:14] <ikonia> this is nothing to do with the advice - this is because of the uneeded smart mouth comments - which I've said a few times in here
[12:15] <bazhang> but I dont talk to bots either :)
[12:16] <histo> Like I explained you commenting on my advice (which is not the issue to you) is what set me off to make the smart comments. I said I would accept people critizism in the future.
[12:16] <histo> What do you not understand ehre?
[12:16] <histo> s/ehre/here
[12:16] <ikonia> the fact that a.) you've not said you'll control your smart mouth comments and not do it again b.) your attitude in here
[12:17] <histo> If i'm willing to not get upset again that would control my smart mouth comments correct?  I'm solving the cause of the problems.
[12:17] <ikonia> I don't know that -
[12:17] <histo> You are failing to see this and continuing on your tirad
[12:17] <ikonia> I've asked you about 5 times to just agree to control your mouth and think about what you say and you seem to be unable to say "yeah, sure, no poblem"
[12:17] <ikonia> or even "sorry about that"
[12:18] <histo> What do you think my statment was. It not only acknowledged the problem I stated it wouldnt' happen in the future.
[12:18] <ikonia> I didn't see that hence why I kept asking for a clear response
[12:18] <histo> I've said it three times now.
[12:18] <bazhang> the anger seems unwarranted about this histo
[12:18] <histo> What anger?
[12:19] <ikonia> histo: I'd request you come back in a few hours when you may have clamed down and can answer with a clear "no problem, I'll control my mouth in the channel in future" statment - and maybe as I said earlier "sorry" wouldn't hurt just for manners
[12:19] <ikonia> I'm not discussing this any more
[12:20] <Moniker42> this doesn't seem to be going anywhere but endless contradiction, would you not think it best to let this cool off for a wee while? (histo: and as this is a no-idling channel, that means you'll have to /part)
[12:20] <ikonia> Moniker42: agreed, it's going on where anymore
[12:21] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops histo just bizzarre attitude/anger and inabilty to say "won't happen again"
[12:21] <ikonia> did I read that totally wrong ???
[12:21] <bazhang> nope
[12:21] <ikonia> (open quesiton)
[12:21] <bazhang> he went off it seemed
[12:21] <ikonia> not even that - he just wouldn't say "it wont happen again" - or did I totally miss-read his responses
[12:22] <ikonia> he just kept going on about not giving bad advice ?
[12:22] <popey> i think perhaps you were somewhat dog+bone
[12:22] <bazhang> I think p o p e y nailed it.
[12:22] <popey> requiring him to utter specific words
[12:22] <Moniker42> an explicit apology/admission is an impossible for a lot of people
[12:22] <bazhang> oops :)
[12:22] <Moniker42> *an impossible thing
[12:22] <ikonia> popey: wasn't looking for specific words, just forget about the advice - stop the smart mouth comments
[12:22] <popey> indeed
[12:22] <Moniker42> best to realise it early and not get into arguing in circles, i think
[12:23] <bazhang> some people go nuts when they get !ot'd as well
[12:23] <ikonia> the advice was nothing to do with it, everyone makes mistakes on the best way to do things
[12:23] <popey> the two things are not easily separable imo
[12:23] <bazhang> Guba, hi
[12:23] <ikonia> he just kept going on about not giving bad advice rather than not saying smart mouth comments
[12:23] <ikonia> popey: no, they are not, I agree totally on that
[12:23] <popey> it's not as black and white as you are making out
[12:23] <bazhang> sucky advice as well imo
[12:23] <popey> but meh, he was being a bit of a dick about it :)
[12:24] <ikonia> Guba: what's up ? do you need some help ?
[12:25] <Guba> hi all
[12:25] <ikonia> @bansearch guba
[12:25] <Guba> yes
[12:26] <ikonia> oh hi guba, you are awake
[12:26] <Guba> aha
[12:26] <ikonia> I assume you'd like to speak to LjL about getting your ban removed
[12:26] <Guba> noooooo
[12:26] <ikonia> oh, then what's up ?
[12:27] <Guba> nothihg
[12:27] <ikonia> in that case, please read the topic
[12:27] <ikonia> !idle | Guba
[12:27] <Guba> ok
[12:27] <Guba> bue
[12:27] <ikonia> bye
[12:27] <Guba> bye
[12:28] <ikonia> Guba: please leave the channel
[12:28] <ikonia> Guba: the command is "/part"
[12:29]  * Myrtti prods jussi01
[12:29] <bazhang> oof
[12:29] <bazhang> bad advice day it seems
[12:30] <ikonia> Guba: can you please leave the channel, the command is "/part"
[12:31]  * Myrtti jumps up and down
[12:31] <ikonia> Moniker42: whats up ?
[12:31] <Myrtti> can I can I can I?
[12:31] <ikonia> oops
[12:31] <ikonia> sorry Moniker42
[12:31] <ikonia> ahh I see why Myrtti is giddy
[12:32] <Myrtti> \o/
[12:32] <Moniker42> ikonia: i usually respond to that question with a topical reference to the economy, but i haven't read a newspaper in a fortnight!
[12:33] <Moniker42> e.g. "what's up?" "gas prices!"
[12:33] <ikonia> Moniker42: I got away with it then
[12:33] <bazhang><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is gsax<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:33] <bazhang> I would like compensation for ubuntu ruining the life of my machine. I am wondering who to sue.
[12:33] <ikonia> not this guy again
[12:33] <ikonia> let me guess the hard disk bug
[12:33] <bazhang> same?
[12:34] <ikonia> probably
[12:35] <bazhang> oh lord its ef_codd
[12:36] <ikonia> who ?
[12:36] <bazhang> gsax
[12:36] <bazhang> of 'my bunty broke' fame
[12:36] <ikonia> yup
[12:39] <bazhang> ef_codd is still banned; ban evasion then
[12:39] <ikonia> is it actually him ?
[12:40] <bazhang><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:40] <histo> One question should I still be in #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-offtopic or should I leave those channels as well?
[12:40] <ikonia> it's fine
[12:41] <histo> K. Thank you.
[12:53] <bazhang> its him. same comments about recommending a gui (he only knows cli)
[12:57] <bazhang> he seems to be ontopic and not terribly disruptive though, just have to wait for the 'bunty broke-broke' or 'I want to sue ubuntu' comments I guess
[13:04] <ikonia> he seems quite helpful
[13:06] <bazhang> yep
[13:07] <bazhang> seems the removals of past learned him something
[13:13] <bazhang> or not..
[13:18] <jussi01> now I just got to figure out how to get kubuntu onto this thing....
[13:18] <jussi01> ikonia: you around?
[13:22] <ikonia> yup
[13:23] <ikonia> sory was just talking to someone off screeen
[13:36] <Myrtti> jussi01: you bought the pink?
[13:37] <christel> PINK
[13:37] <ikonia> christel: nudge on Jak_o_Shadows nick - looks like panarchy again
[13:38] <Pici> !test
[13:38] <ikonia> fail
[13:38] <Pici> indeed.
[13:38] <ikonia> ubottu: wake
[13:38] <ikonia> oooh uber slow
[13:38] <jussi01> Myrtti: nope, spent some more and found a black one at verkkokauppa
[13:38] <christel> indeed does :/
[13:38] <christel> (klined)
[13:38] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[13:38] <Myrtti> jussi01: yay!
[13:38] <ikonia> I wasn't expecting that
[13:39] <ikonia> hi again Guba
[13:39] <Guba> hi
[13:39] <ikonia> Guba: how can we help this time ?
[13:40] <Guba> no thanks
[13:40] <Guba> bye
[13:40] <ikonia> bye
[13:40] <Pici> okay then
[13:40] <ikonia> @mark guba - more odd behaviour
[13:40] <ikonia> LjL: ping <IP_ADDRESS> one of yours - looks like a nutter
[13:42] <Myrtti> noooooohhhh http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/1532/lg-x110-netbook--pink-
[13:42] <Myrtti> *drool*
[13:43] <jussi01> lol
[13:44] <ikonia> nice vallue
[13:44] <ikonia> value
[13:44] <bazhang> heh
[13:44] <jussi01> pink ...
[13:44] <Pici> 'pink'
[13:45] <Pici> The bot is lagging quite a bit...
[13:45] <ikonia> jussi paid extra to not have pink
[13:45] <ikonia> ironic that Myrtti would pay extra to have pink
[13:47] <Myrtti> I know
[14:02] <bazhang> @bansearch mopoyo
[14:05] <christel> you guys know this, whats the url for info about that linksys dcc send exploit/crash weirdness?
[14:06] <Myrtti> !exploit
[14:06] <Pici> christel: The actual bug is oddly underdocumented.  We've put together our fixes here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[14:07] <christel> thank you!
[14:07] <christel> you guys are the best
[14:07] <Myrtti> if someone needs to be tested, I can be persuaded into adding them into victims so they can test themselves at #ubuntu-read-topic
[14:08] <bazhang> meh usb-creator works fine
[14:08] <bazhang> dont know why Kimi is trying to do unetbootin via wine with exe
[14:09] <Pici> eww
[14:09] <christel> <3
[14:09] <bazhang> exercise in futility ftl
[14:29] <Pici> ikonia: I'm pretty sure thats a different person
[14:29] <ikonia> me too
[14:29] <ikonia> he just started pm'ing me
[14:29] <ikonia> thought it was panarchy again as he's just been klined
[14:30] <LjL> there are people from australia who are not panarchy, you know :P
[14:30] <popey> lies!
[14:30] <LjL> like elky and my sister
[14:30] <LjL> although... i guess panarchy could be my sister
[14:30] <ikonia> I know - but he'd just been klined and an aussie in the same channels just pm'ing me straight after him being klined for no reason seemed a bit suspcious
[14:30]  * Myrtti considers jussi01
[14:30] <ikonia> jussi01: is panarchy
[14:30] <LjL> but jussi is not *in* australia now is he
[14:31] <ikonia> panarchy has far reaching claws to finaland
[14:31] <Myrtti> I'm not in Finland either
[14:31] <ikonia> but you're not panarchy
[14:31] <Myrtti> still I IRC from Finnish tld ;-)
[14:32] <LjL> you talk about finns
[14:32] <Myrtti> summon topyli
[14:32] <bazhang> ohnoez
[14:32] <ikonia> see - thought it was a bit odd, he's just asking me random questions, how are you etc
[14:32] <topyli> you should know better
[14:33] <bazhang> he did say he was lonely
[14:33] <ikonia> I missed that
[14:33] <LjL> poor aussie
[14:33] <ikonia> are you sure it's not panarchy
[14:33] <bazhang> not juss i
[14:33] <ikonia> look he's almost baiting me
[14:33] <bazhang> oof
[14:33] <LjL> how can we be sure
[14:33] <ikonia> summon christel
[14:34] <ikonia> Myrtti: it's rubbish, it doesn't work !
[14:34] <bazhang> heh he is just a lonely kid I'd bet
[14:34] <ikonia> same isp as panarchy too
[14:34] <bazhang> see you tomorrow and good night dont seem sinister here
[14:34] <LjL> eh it's not like christel can look through IPs any more than i or you can...
[14:34] <LjL> ... despite what she probably claims
[14:34] <ikonia> bazhang: out of all the people in the channel he started talking to me asking how I was etc etc
[14:35] <ikonia> it's the same ISP as panarchy too
[14:35] <bazhang> ikonia, stockholm syndrome?
[14:35] <ikonia> now he's almost baiting me that he'll back tommorow
[14:35] <bazhang> he was unbanned though
[14:35] <ikonia> don't know - he's just been klined so it seems odd that he's come directly to me for a chat
[14:35] <ikonia> no panarchy wasn't unbanned
[14:35] <bazhang> no mopoyo
[14:35] <ikonia> I didn't know he had been banned
[14:36] <bazhang> yep
[14:36] <ikonia> 220-244-120-169.static.tpgi.com.au
[14:36] <bazhang> for calling people idiots, blind as a bat etc etc
[14:36] <ikonia> = panarchys first ip
[14:36] <LjL> you *have* looked at the BT for "mopoyo", haven't you?
[14:36] <elky> ikonia, post hostmask please
[14:36] <LjL> elky: [15:36:23] [Whois] mopoyo is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Mopoyo Phoenix Yager)
[14:36] <ikonia> mopoyo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:37] <Pici> Thats quiet a bit of activity
[14:37] <ikonia> he seems pretty keen to talk to me
[14:37] <ikonia> ?
[14:37] <elky> you think mop is panarchy?
[14:37] <bazhang> oof
[14:37] <ikonia> yup
[14:37] <LjL> who cares
[14:37] <LjL> he's a troll anyway
[14:38] <Myrtti> why does Yager ring my bell?
[14:38] <ikonia> panarchy just got klined by cristel, then this guy turns up and goes direct to me for "chat"
[14:38] <bazhang> *that* was baiting
[14:38] <LjL> don't be obsessed trying to figure out who's who
[14:38] <Pici> I think hes annoying and given enough chances.
[14:38] <LjL> Myrtti: because he's in the BT several times?
[14:38] <LjL> ikonia, so ban him because he's have a dozen of previous warnings/kicks on the BT. not because he might be panarchy. the former is easier.
[14:38] <ikonia> I'm only interested if it's him as it would be his 3rd kline dodge
[14:39] <ikonia> LjL: not worried about banning him, just curious to if it is him
[14:39] <elky> panarchy's last known is -NickServ- Last addr<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:39] <ikonia> yup
[14:39] <elky> completely different part of the network
[14:39] <LjL> and if it's his 3d kline dodge, what happens?
[14:39] <ikonia> but he's been on and klined on 2 other klines
[14:39] <LjL> he gets an ISP-wide kline?
[14:39] <ikonia> LjL: nothing, just report it to staff,
[14:39] <ikonia> nothing more
[14:39] <ikonia> sorry - on two other IP's I meant
[14:39] <LjL> and what staff does is, "oh look, this fellow really can change IPs fast. we can stop k-lining them as it's useless to"
[14:40] <elky> ikonia, mopoyo was warned that any more naughties and he gets spanked out of the channel for at least a week
[14:40] <genii> Hm. How to answer such odd Q today like: <Searles> Could someone please tell me how to install Windows XP uing Ubuntu?
[14:40] <bazhang> vbox?
[14:40] <ikonia> LjL: I disagree he's on static ranges and can only change them quite slowly
[14:40] <LjL> genii: !windows
[14:40] <ikonia> LjL: but thats not a big deal, it's more if it was him again for my own interest
[14:40] <ikonia> I wonder what his forum IP is as he's posting on there
[14:41] <ikonia> is it allowed to ask a forum mod to check that ?
[14:41] <ikonia> or is that out of line
[14:41] <LjL> ikonia: asking is always allowed :P
[14:41] <ikonia> popey: you're a forum mod aren't you ?
[14:41] <bazhang> heh
[14:42] <LjL> ikonia: but start gathering the ips he's had (for certain) during the past, then perhaps you'd see there's a common subnet or something
[14:42] <ikonia> LjL: exactly
[14:42] <popey> ikonia: nope
[14:42] <ikonia> I doubt it, but it's interesting to know
[14:42] <bazhang> #ubuntuforums or JDONG
[14:42] <LjL> ikonia: you can start doing it with just irc logs though, that's what i meant
[14:42] <LjL> you've mentioned JDONG
[14:42] <LjL> we're all JDOOMED
[14:42] <bazhang> :(
[14:42] <ikonia> summon "the dong"
[14:42]  * LjL JRUNS
[14:42] <bazhang> !jding
[14:42] <LjL> hi histo
[14:43] <histo> whattup ljl
[14:43] <LjL> ceiling
[14:43] <histo> is ikonia still around.
[14:43] <histo> I got banned earlier
[14:43] <LjL> yes
[14:43] <ikonia> I am
[14:43] <ikonia> just having a drink
[14:43] <LjL> ikonia: drinking his blood?
[14:43] <histo> I might do the same after the tea party
[14:43] <ikonia> no no, just a coke
[14:43] <histo> ahh
[14:44] <bazhang> mm tea
[14:44] <histo> Are we done now? As I stated previously I understand that I shouldn't have blown up and made smart arse comments and it won't happen again.
[14:44] <ikonia> perfect
[14:44] <histo> bazhang: not that kind of tea party
[14:44] <ikonia> histo: 30 seconds please
[14:44] <histo> I'm in no hurry
[14:44] <bazhang> oh 'tea party'
[14:44] <histo> yeah tax day tea party
[14:44] <ikonia> histo: ban removed, thank you for coming back
[14:45] <histo> ikonia: can I pm you?
[14:45] <ikonia> sure
[14:46] <histo> Take it easy guys i'll get out of your channel now.
[15:03] <popey> refreshing
[15:04] <ikonia> yup, popey check BT - just put a comment in
[15:04]  * popey would if he knew how
[15:04] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[15:04] <ikonia> @btlogin
[15:04] <Myrtti> do that ^
[15:04]  * ikonia pats popey in a special way
[15:05] <popey> oi
[15:05] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[15:05] <ikonia> hey Jack_Sparrow's awake, hey Jack_Sparrow
[15:05] <Jack_Sparrow> Hi all.
[15:05] <Myrtti> ikonia: awwww cute
[15:05] <ikonia> Myrtti: yup
[15:10] <popey> @btlogin
[15:11] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[15:11] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[15:19] <genii> I got a total of about 2 hours sleep before coming into work today. Just so you know I'm not quite on the ball this morning
[15:20] <jussi01> oh ffs..
[15:20] <bazhang> :0
[15:20] <ikonia> jussi01 has broke his laptop already....?
[15:20] <jussi01> this thing has a rtl 8187... :/
[15:20] <ikonia> ahhhh
[15:20]  * jussi01 grumbles...
[15:21] <jussi01> anyone point me to docs to get it working?
[15:21] <genii> jussi01: My laptop also has that. Works fine unless it overheats. which seems to happen after maybe 2 hours
[15:21] <Myrtti> jussi01: 0x10EC,0x8199 or 0x10EC,0x8185 REV_22 ?
[15:22] <jussi01> Myrtti: 1 sec
[15:22] <Myrtti> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl8187 <--
[15:27] <jussi01> Myrtti: 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8187SE Wireless LAN Controller (rev 22)
[15:28] <Myrtti> jussi01: fail
[15:28] <jussi01> huh?
[15:29] <topyli> gotta love people who irc through identi.ca
[15:30] <Myrtti> jussi01: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl8187#UnsupportedChips
[15:30] <Myrtti> jussi01: *shrug*
[15:30] <Myrtti> topyli: I've virtually stopped using both identi.ca and jaiku
[15:30] <jussi01> oh dear...
[15:31] <topyli> Myrtti: i just stop following the ones confused over protocols
[15:32] <topyli> oh and i don't do jaiku anymore
[15:32] <Myrtti> topyli: I'm considering unsubscribing from !identica !laconica !ubuntu - and I'm not saying a word about Jaiku either
[15:33] <topyli> oh groups are the pinnacle of madness, get out while you can
[15:35] <topyli> oh well, i can always go back to "blog mode", post (and autopost) updates, disable jabber updates and just get email when someone replies to me
[15:44] <Myrtti> omg, I'm with idiots
[15:45] <Myrtti> take this pain away
[15:46] <ikonia> ooh ran out of tunes on the ipod
[15:47] <jussi01> Yippee!!
[15:47] <jussi01> wireless ftw!
[15:47] <ikonia> working ?
[15:47] <jussi01> yeah, had to compile, but meh
[15:48] <jussi01> anyway, off out now.
[15:49] <jussi01> laters
[15:52] <topyli> he fights, he builds drivers, he succeeds, he gets wifi. then he just walks away
[15:52] <topyli> some people would have *used* their new wireless for a while and enjoyed
[15:53] <Myrtti> teehee
[15:57] <topyli> someone finally built tomboy packages for jaunty, patched to fix the broken sync. now i'm fixing typos in my notes and just changing them for no reason, so that i can sync again and again
[15:58] <Myrtti> OCD ftw
[16:00] <ikonia> topyli: what do you sync tomboy with ?
[16:02] <topyli> ikonia: just two tomboys, via a server
[16:02] <topyli> over ssh
[16:03] <ikonia> ah
[16:04] <topyli> would be great if the notes could be stored as html on the server btw, in addition to whatever "tomboy format" they're stored in. but alas, that's not the case
[16:30] <Lenin_Cat> is toypil here
[16:30] <Lenin_Cat> topyli: hi, have I been a good boy
[16:30] <Lenin_Cat> :P
[16:31] <topyli> Lenin_Cat: no idea, you haven't been around
[16:31] <topyli> as it happens :)
[16:32] <topyli> what can we/i do for you today?
[16:33] <Lenin_Cat> well, as I sead I would come back in a week
[16:33] <Lenin_Cat> but sence you havent seen me... ill just go
[16:35] <topyli> i wonder where i should have seen poor Lenin_Cat. he's banned from wherever i am
[16:56] <jpds> nalioth: ubot3 may /part #gobuntu (noone in it.)
[17:03] <LjL> lot of success that had, huh :P
[17:04] <Tm_T> prolly its well merged to big U
[17:04] <LjL> topyli: perhaps it's the fact that you didn't see him that should make you infer he's been a good boy....
[17:05] <topyli> well he certainly hasn't caused any trouble on -ot
[17:06] <topyli> i would unban him at once if he asked anyway
[17:06] <LjL> topyli: i can see you grinning evilly.
[17:07] <topyli> damn i'm an open book! :(
[17:11] <nalioth> it's all by itself in there, is it, jpds ?
[17:13]  * Myrtti was a good girl, mowed the backgarden lawn
[17:13] <jpds> nalioth: Pretty much.
[17:13] <Myrtti> buh-bye chocolate chip cookies
[17:33] <Pici> :(
[17:33] <genii> Myrtti: You have one of those manual rotary mowers, yes?
[17:34] <Myrtti> yup
[17:35] <genii> Cool
[17:36] <Myrtti> the area with actual lawn isn't big enough to justify anything else imo
[17:38] <Myrtti> but now we need a trimmer to get the edges
[17:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Guys, and Gals.. Sorry Myrtti.. I dont see ubuntu in the channel logs.
[17:42] <Jack_Sparrow> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/04/15/
[17:43] <Myrtti> yeah, I guess ubuntulogger was AWOL for a while
[17:43] <tsimpson> it's not in #ubuntu
[17:44] <tsimpson> it should be, but it's not
[17:44] <Tm_T> hi tsimpson son
[17:44] <tsimpson> hey Tm_T :)
[18:15]  * popey sighs at bolt_
[18:25] <Seeker`> popey: why?
[18:26] <popey> see #ubuntu
[18:26] <Seeker`> eugh
[18:26] <Myrtti> he really is dense
[18:27] <Myrtti> not the sharpest nail in the bucket
[18:35] <Seeker`> hi Myrtti
[19:19]  * jussi01 waves happily
[19:23] <Seeker`> heya jussi01
[19:57] <jussi01> !staff | spammer [21:56:41] <Esgalhao> http://www.sexy-lena.com/?uid=451792
[19:57] <jussi01> oh meh
[19:57] <jussi01> !staff | ^^
[19:58] <jussi01> Spammed #kubuntu and left.
[19:58] <Pici> and #u
[20:00] <Jack_Sparrow> I set a ban for the moment on /mode #ubuntu +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:00] <Jack_Sparrow> Esgalhao
[20:07] <Seeker`> why do I remember the name LeninCat
[20:07] <Pici> Hes the same person as Commie_Cary
[20:09]  * genii senses a russian theme with the naming
[20:17] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[20:17] <Seeker`> @login
[20:17] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[20:19] <genii> @btlogout
[20:19] <genii> Hm
[20:20] <Seeker`> genii: ?
[20:20] <genii> Seeker`: Seems un-implemented. Just was curious is all
[20:21] <genii> (eg if it would give another url which would make the first one now inaccessible)
[20:35] <Pici> tsimpson, jussi01: I spotted this the other day.  It might be worth looking into before we move to a different database (if ever): http://itsystementwicklung.de/pipermail/list-pysqlite/2009-April/000380.html
[20:41] <genii> Pici: glad to see you're on the chronic thing in #k, thanks, was working
[20:46] <genii> @btlogin
[20:47] <ikonia> @mark #kubuntu chronic abuse again - same as in pm. Not tollerated
[20:49] <genii> Man. He seems to aquire a ban about every 7 days or so regularly
[20:49] <ikonia> @btlogin
[20:54] <LjL> yeah, it's indeed a... chronic... thing
[20:55] <ikonia> droll
[21:47] <genii> I'm not sure if drbobb is just having me on or not with all his excuses of how he can't install for this reason or that, etc
[21:53] <genii> Apparently not, which I found actually a bit surprising
[22:01] <Seeker`> orly?
[22:07] <android> Seeker`: yes... really...
[22:07] <android> bwahahaha
[22:08] <Seeker`> jussi is a bot! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
[22:09]  * Myrtti hides under the couch
[22:13]  * android comes after Myrtti
[22:14] <android> Myrtti: btw this keyboard is real nice :)
[23:03] <jpds> Nafallo: Yay! :D
[23:04] <Nafallo> wb ubot2
[23:04]  * jpds gets back to bug #236305
[23:26] <bazhang> prepare for a decent into trolldom.


[08:23] <Saviq> Morgawr, http://askubuntu.com/questions/122209/how-do-i-modify-or-disable-the-huds-use-of-the-alt-key should help
[08:50] <Morgawr> Saviq: I've read that, the problem is that I wanted to do it from the terminal (I need to put something like this in a script)
[08:50] <Morgawr> thanks anyway
[08:57] <Saviq> Morgawr, that's just a gsetting, let me try and find it for you
[08:57] <Morgawr> that would be great, thanks
[09:00] <Saviq> Morgawr, actually, the last answer in http://askubuntu.com/questions/122209/how-do-i-modify-or-disable-the-huds-use-of-the-alt-key says what to do
[09:04] <Morgawr> ah, I did not see that one, I'll try it out, thanks


 Planning a break early december though.
[08:58] <mvo> doko: I think he got highlighted last week already :/
[08:58] <mvo> Chipaca: uh, I need to plan my break as well
[08:58] <pedronis> last week was the summit though
[08:58] <mvo> pedronis: aha, good point
[08:58] <pedronis> Chipaca: when?
[09:01] <Chipaca> pedronis: i've got 15 days to use-or-lose. Do you remember if it was 3, or 5 that could be carried over?
[09:02] <Chipaca> pedronis: in any case: the week from 3-7 december, for sure
[09:03] <mvo> doko: quite a few errors, I think I leave this best to sergio, I could disable some of the tests that look like upstream changes but other bits look like they have different causes :/
[09:03] <mvo> Chipaca: 5
[09:04] <Chipaca> mvo: ta
[09:04] <mvo> Chipaca: sounds like you will enjoy a long vac in dec then :)
[09:04] <mvo> Chipaca: good for you (not so good for us ;)
[09:04] <Chipaca> mbuahaha
[09:04]  * Chipaca takes all december off
[09:04] <Chipaca> (no)
[09:05] <mvo> fwiw 6127 needs a review, apparently this helps bringing a machine  back to life that got into a bad state by disabling a snap on arm that uses gpio
[09:06] <pedronis> mvo: it has so tests atm tough,  zyga said he was working on some
[09:06] <mvo> pedronis: :( ok, I can look at this, zyga is off today
[09:09] <pedronis> mvo: we also need to decide how to distribute the fix
[09:10] <Chipaca> pedronis: mvo: what's the bug?
[09:11] <mvo> pedronis: my understand is that putting it into the edge core is ok for now. then the user can snap refresh --edge core, snap enable affected snap and snap refresh --stable core
[09:11] <pedronis> Chipaca: gpio interface require some order dependency across the systemd and the apparmor backend for slot and plug
[09:11] <pedronis> seems we fix some part of that, but enable/disable of affected snaps atm is broken
[09:12] <Chipaca> ah
[09:12] <pedronis> mvo: ok, that assumes they are happy to try edge for this
[09:12] <pedronis> anyway we need on edge to start either way
[09:12] <Chipaca> reminds me, from the summit: we need a way to install a snap with its services disabled
[09:13] <mvo> pedronis: it does, we could use a hotfix branch, not sure if all the bits are in place for this though
[09:13] <pedronis> ?
[09:14] <mvo> pedronis: sorry if I was unclear, a store branch in a channel
[09:14] <pedronis> yes
[09:14] <pedronis> those are supported
[09:14] <pedronis> you mean building it on our side?
[09:14] <mvo> I think we have not used one for us yet
[09:15] <mvo> pedronis: yeah, we could take a stable core and do a one-off build for them, its a bit of work though (mostly because we need this for arm)
[09:15] <mvo> so not sure its really worth it
[09:15] <pedronis> as I said we need to ask
[09:15] <mvo> ok
[09:18] <mvo> Chipaca: I updated 6039 with your suggested error message (I think its a good choice)
[09:22] <Chipaca> mvo: over the weekend I was reminded of #1669000
[09:22] <mup> Bug #1669000: classic snap can't use confinement override <amd64> <apport-bug> <xenial> <Snappy:New> <snapd (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1669000>
[09:24] <mvo> Chipaca: is jacknorriswebserver a classic snap?
[09:25] <mvo> Chipaca: we need to adjust our error message here, correct?
[09:25] <mvo> Chipaca: or is there more to it?
[09:25] <Chipaca> mvo: ignore the last comment, i think they're off piste
[09:25] <mvo> Chipaca: ok
[09:26] <Chipaca> mvo: it's very close to 6039, but from the other side
[09:26] <Chipaca> mvo: yes we probably should check and return a better error, like with --classic, but i'm not sure how current the problem is
[09:26] <Chipaca> i haven't tried
[09:26] <Chipaca> i just saw it, thought "oh that's similar to 6039" and went on with my weekend
[09:27] <mvo> Chipaca: heh, ok
[09:27] <pedronis> Chipaca: heh
[09:27] <pedronis> anyway doesn't sound super urgent
[09:28] <Chipaca> correct
[09:28] <Chipaca> talking about urgent, i'm off to epochs land
[09:41] <pedronis> Chipaca: let me know how that goes,  we should chat about how to do the further requests bit
[09:41] <pedronis> soon
[09:43] <Chipaca> pedronis: yep
[09:46] <zyga> hey
[09:46] <zyga> I'm off, just wanted to say a few words
[09:46] <zyga> I ran into some interesting bugs while reinstalling my devices
[09:47] <zyga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1802773
[09:47] <mup> Bug #1802773: Cannot refresh from ubuntu-core 2.15.2 on raspberry pi "ubuntu core 16" image - snap-declaration for "snapweb": parsing assertion headers: expected 4 chars nesting prefix after multiline introduction "plugs:": "  network:" <snapd:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1802773>
[09:47] <zyga> our stable images cannot update
[09:51] <zyga> with that I'm off to fix the printer
[09:51] <zyga> ttyl
[09:52] <pedronis> zyga: that's a store problem I think
[09:52] <zyga> yes
[09:59] <Chipaca> pedronis: the action context does need to carry epochs always, right?
[10:00] <pedronis> Chipaca: correct
[10:00] <pedronis> afaiu
[10:00] <Chipaca> pedronis: a lot of the test changes are going to remain ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[10:01] <pedronis> oh well
[10:01] <pedronis> we still want the change
[10:01] <pedronis> saner api use
[10:08]  * Chipaca ~> afk
[10:12]  * Chipaca ~> really afk
[11:29] <ackk> Chipaca, hi, FWIW I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1802721 about that issue I'm having with bash completion
[11:29] <mup> Bug #1802721: bash-completion not working on core18-base classic snap <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1802721>
[12:09] <pedronis> Chipaca: were snapshots done in 2.36 or will in 2.37 ?
[12:20] <cachio> mvo, hey
[12:21] <mvo> hey cachio
[12:21] <cachio> mvo, about beta validation
[12:22] <cachio> there were some issues on dragonboard
[12:22] <mvo> cachio: oh, tell me more please
[12:22] <cachio> mvo, first I saw this error
[12:22] <cachio> on 2 executions
[12:23] <cachio> same error
[12:23] <mvo> cachio: do you have a link to the error text?
[12:24] <cachio> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jZbsWd7x36/
[12:24] <cachio> next execution 13 tests failed
[12:24] <cachio> mvo, I am gonna debug nor
[12:25] <cachio> now
[12:25] <cachio> mvo, I go slow with the db because mine is broken so I am using a remote one
[12:25] <cachio> mvo, now I'll try to use mine with external display and usb keyboard
[12:26] <mvo> cachio: hm, Cannot access MTD device /boot/uboot/uboot.env: No such file or directory look scary
[12:26] <cachio> mvo, the rest of the devies are ok
[12:26] <cachio> mvo, yes
[12:26] <mvo> cachio: please check if /boot is mounted once you have a debug session
[12:26] <mvo> I check back after lunch
[12:27] <cachio> mvo, I could reproduce that in 2 different devices
[12:28] <cachio> mvo, sure
[12:28] <cachio> I'll continur with this
[13:03] <jamespage> sergiusens: o/
[13:03] <jamespage> sergiusens: does snapcraft support use of the before/after stanzas for daemon application startup ordering within a snap yet?
[13:03] <jamespage> or have I got the wrong end if the stick on that feature being implemented
[13:09] <pedronis> cachio: mvo: what were the errors during the weekend about snapd-vendor-daily?
[13:16] <cachio> pedronis, checking
[13:17] <cachio> pedronis, I dont see any error on snapd-vendor-sync
[13:17] <cachio> at least the spread cron branches worked
[13:18] <cachio> and all of them are in green
[13:18] <pedronis> cachio: I'm talking about the recipes on LP
[13:18] <pedronis> [recipe build #1985875] of ~snappy-dev snapd-vendor-daily-cosmic in cosmic: Failed to build
[13:18] <pedronis> etc
[13:19] <cachio> pedronis, ahh, ok, the recipe failed to build
[13:20] <cachio> I'll check that
[13:20] <cachio> I am gonna add a new spread cron branch to check the result of that recipe
[13:20] <cachio> currently we are just triggering but not checking the resutls
[13:25] <cachio> pedronis, seems to be a infrastructure issue
[13:26] <cachio> failed doing "git fetch"
[13:26] <cachio> on xenial and cosmic as well
[13:36] <Chipaca> ackk: yes that issue is true. For now, install core to get tab completion even if your snap is core18
[13:36] <Chipaca> ackk: #6126 addresses it
[13:36] <mup> PR #6126: dirs, wrappers, overlord/snapstate: make completion + bases work <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6126>
[13:37] <ackk> Chipaca, as noted in that LP bug, even with core it doesn't work
[13:38] <Chipaca> ackk: with core, it works
[13:38] <ackk> Chipaca, not in my case, see the bug
[13:38] <Chipaca> sigh
[13:38] <Chipaca> ackk: the bug just says "it doesn't work"
[13:39] <Chipaca> ackk: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/debugging-tab-completion/4198
[13:39] <ackk> Chipaca, well, no also says I followed the forum thread, and everything except step 4 works
[13:39] <ackk> Chipaca, including the last step, if I load completion in the snap manually
[13:39] <Chipaca> ackk: ah sorry
[13:40] <Chipaca> ackk: I'd misread and misremembered it and just scanned it and jumped to conclusions and now I feel terrible and I'm sorry
[13:40] <Chipaca> give me a sec to recover and i'll walk through it with you in a moment
[13:40] <ackk> Chipaca, heh, np
[13:41] <Chipaca> ackk: for step 4, where's the -x output?
[13:41] <ackk> Chipaca, you want the full output or just the output of  compelte -P?
[13:42] <ackk> Chipaca, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wdfXH7yHcf/
[13:43] <mup> PR snapd#6128 opened: overlord/ifacestate: setup security backends phased by backends first <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6128>
[13:43] <Chipaca> ackk: right
[13:43] <Chipaca> ackk: so there's something missing
[13:43] <Chipaca> ackk: in that pastebin, see how the returned string points to a "cannot"
[13:43] <ackk> Chipaca, yeah but that's in the script
[13:44] <ackk> I mean that's not the output of complete, it's the script tha compares with "cannot"
[13:44] <Chipaca> ackk: so there _probably_ is a "cannot find completion specification for yadda.yadda"
[13:44] <Chipaca> hmm
[13:44]  * Chipaca looks
[13:45] <Chipaca> ackk: you're right
[13:45] <ackk> Chipaca, the problem I think is that complete -P only returns "default" and empty lines (as mentioned in the bug )
[13:45] <ackk> Chipaca, but if I run it in the --shell it works
[13:45] <ackk> (hence I was suspecting that --command=complete does something different
[13:49] <Chipaca> ackk: so
[13:49] <Chipaca> ackk: if you run snap run --command=complete sshoot 9 9 7 1 ' ' 'sshoot ' sshoot ''
[13:50] <Chipaca> ackk: what do you get?
[13:51] <Chipaca> ackk: because I get a clear indication of where the problem is
[13:51] <Chipaca> ackk: so I was wondering what you saw :-)
[13:57] <ackk> Chipaca, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tntr3dNtSW/
[13:57] <ackk> Chipaca, with multiple blank lines
[13:58] <Chipaca> gah pastebin is very slow here
[13:58] <Chipaca> not sure why
[13:59] <Chipaca> ackk: https://dpaste.de/jr9h
[13:59] <ackk> Chipaca, are you running on bionic?
[13:59] <Chipaca> ackk: no
[14:00] <ackk> Chipaca, that's another bug I filed, that mvo is fixing, classic bionic snaps don't work on xenial
[14:00] <Chipaca> ah this is the bad symlink thing?
[14:00] <ackk> yeah
[14:00] <Chipaca> mvo: is that fixed on core18 edge?
[14:00]  * Chipaca checks
[14:00] <Chipaca> i'm on edge
[14:00] <Chipaca> so probably no :-)
[14:01] <pedronis> Chipaca: standup? :)
[14:01] <Chipaca> gah, standup o'clock
[14:01] <Chipaca> pedronis: omw
[14:21] <Chipaca> ackk: so the next step would be to do the 'snap run --shell', and run etelpmoc.sh
[14:22] <Chipaca> ackk: which takes a lot of arguments, but it's got a comment explaining them
[14:22] <Chipaca> ackk: that's what 'snap run --command=complete' thing does, once it's 'inside'
[14:23] <ackk> Chipaca, /snap/core/current/usr/lib/snapd/etelpmoc.sh is not executable, is that right?
[14:23] <ackk> does snap run run it with "bash" ?
[14:25] <Chipaca> ackk: yes
[14:25] <ackk> Chipaca, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PYy443Xw9S/
[14:26] <ackk> Chipaca, note that if I actually source the sshoot-completion script inside a --shell, it works
[14:26] <ackk> Chipaca, why is it not found?
[14:26] <Chipaca> ackk: because I don't think the arguments are right
[14:26] <ackk> uhm
[14:26] <Chipaca> ackk: dunno
[14:26] <Chipaca> ackk: i'm technically in a meeting
[14:26] <ackk> I passed the same as the --command=complete, plus the completion script name at the beginning
[14:26] <Chipaca> ackk: half a neuron on this
[14:26] <ackk> Chipaca, ok sorry
[14:26] <Chipaca> :-)
[14:27] <Chipaca>     _die "USAGE: $0 <script> <COMP_TYPE> <COMP_KEY> <COMP_POINT> <COMP_CWORD> <COMP_WORDBREAKS> <COMP_LINE> cmd [args...]"
[14:28] <Chipaca> ackk: OTOH if the arguments are wrong, that'd be consistent with what it's seeing
[14:28] <Chipaca> dunno
[14:28] <ackk> Chipaca, is there a way to grab the actuall command that snapd runs?
[14:30] <Chipaca> ackk: let me look at the plumbing
[14:31] <ackk> Chipaca, found it from strace: /bin/bash /usr/lib/snapd/etelpmoc.sh /snap/sshoot/78/sshoot-completion 9 9 7 1 "sshoot " sshoot ""
[14:31] <ackk> Chipaca, this returns empty lines when run in the snap
[14:31] <Chipaca> ackk: was about to say, you just need the abs path on the completion script
[14:32] <Chipaca> ackk: time to bash -x it :-)
[14:34] <ackk> Chipaca, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xBZ6j7Gqvm/
[14:36] <Chipaca> ackk: could you copy etelpmoc.sh somewhere, and set -x after it sources bash-completion?
[14:37] <Chipaca> ackk: because at least I can't make sense of the whole thing :-)
[14:38] <ackk> Chipaca, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qGfvRhqVHR/
[14:41] <Chipaca> ackk: there's a problem with the complete -p call
[14:41] <Chipaca> ackk: +++ complete -p ''
[14:41] <Chipaca> ackk: that '' should be 'sshoot'
[14:42] <ackk> Chipaca, yeah but it's called with "$1" after a whole lot of shift's
[14:43] <Chipaca> ackk: ah!
[14:43] <Chipaca> ackk: you're missing a " " between the 1 and the "sshoot "
[14:43] <Chipaca> COMP_WORDBREAKS
[14:46] <ackk> Chipaca, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gHbdhWyxqW/
[14:47] <ackk> Chipaca, hold on, sorry, wrong arg
[14:47] <ackk> Chipaca, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yX6bdF29Kx/ should be the one
[14:48] <ackk> __python_argcomplete_run '' looks suspicious
[14:49] <mvo> ackk: the core18 thing should be fixed with core in edge (the bug you mentioned friday)
[14:49] <Chipaca> ackk: yes
[14:51] <ackk> Chipaca, because _python_argcomplete is called with no argument
[14:51] <ackk> it should get "sshoot" afaiu
[14:51] <Chipaca> ackk: try it -- you have all the args it gets
[14:52] <ackk> Chipaca, what should I try?
[14:52] <ackk> mvo, ah thanks
[14:53] <Chipaca> ackk: IFS=$'\v' COMP_LINE='sshoot ' COMP_POINT=7 COMP_TYPE=9 _ARGCOMPLETE_COMP_WORDBREAKS=' ' _ARGCOMPLETE=1 _ARGCOMPLETE_SUPPRESS_SPACE=1 __python_argcomplete_run ''
[14:54] <ackk> Chipaca, I need to source the completion file first right?
[14:54] <Chipaca> ackk: yes
[14:55] <ackk> Chipaca, ok, so that returns empty, if I pass 'sshoot' as argument, it returns the options
[14:55] <ackk> Chipaca, the first argument is the command
[14:55] <Chipaca> ackk: so why is that getting lost?
[14:56] <popey> degville: I'm trying to find a link at https://docs.snapcraft.io/snap-documentation/3781 which helps me help a developerrequest classic.
[14:56] <popey> degville: I have clicked everywhere I think, and can't find a doc, should that not be exposed?
[14:57] <ackk> Chipaca, IDK, that's snap's autocompletion I think
[14:58] <Chipaca> ackk: could you pastebin the script that's generated?
[14:58] <popey> degville: never mind, I'll file a bug :)
[14:59] <ackk> Chipaca, well actually it's basically what you see in the previous pastebin, those two __python_* functions
[14:59] <Chipaca> ah obvs
[15:01] <degville> popey: yes, it should be. The publishing side is next on my todo list (I promise)...
[15:01] <popey> :)
[15:01] <ackk> Chipaca, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rFVJpP84yn/
[15:02] <Chipaca> ackk: what happens if you add "$@" to $_compfunc ?
[15:03] <ackk> Chipaca, sorry, where?
[15:04] <Chipaca> ackk: etelpmoc.sh, after the $bounce check
[15:04] <Chipaca> $_bounce
[15:04] <ackk> Chipaca, that works
[15:04] <Chipaca> ackk: dammit
[15:05] <Chipaca> ackk: so I need to fix this, but you can fix it at your end as well
[15:07] <Chipaca> ackk: so if instead of calling the python generator you generate the script, and edit it to not need $1 but hardcode sshoot, it will work
[15:07] <Chipaca> ackk: also you'll avoid a python code in completion which will make it suck less :-)
[15:07] <ackk> Chipaca, sure, but that's bound to happen to any python script :)
[15:08] <Chipaca> ackk: oh, i'm fixing it, but it'll be a month at least before you get it in stable
[15:08] <Chipaca> ackk: OTOH I'd tell anybody using python there to stop :-)
[15:08] <ackk> why, argcomplete is so nice
[15:08] <Chipaca> ackk: agcomplete yes
[15:08] <ackk> you get autocompletion for free
[15:08] <Chipaca> ackk: i'm not saying don't use argomplete
[15:09] <Chipaca> ackk: i'm saying don't call python to generate a shell script that calls python
[15:09] <ackk> ah yeah I see, I can call it on snap build I guess
[15:09] <Chipaca> ackk: that will easily put you below the 200ms threshold of "fast"
[15:09] <ackk> Chipaca, why does this only seem to affect this case?
[15:10] <Chipaca> ackk: because most completion scripts don't look at $1 i guess :-)
[15:10] <Chipaca> _complete_potato doesn't check that it's called as potato
[15:10] <ackk> sure but if $1 isn't there, everthing is shifted  ?
[15:10] <ackk> ah you mean it's only using vars
[15:10] <Chipaca> ackk: no because everything the completer looks at is in COMP_ variables
[15:10] <ackk> ok
[15:10] <ackk> I see
[15:10] <Chipaca> exactly
[15:11] <Chipaca> I didn't even know bash passed $1
[15:11] <Chipaca> it's not like any of this is specced anywhere
[15:11] <Chipaca> :-)
[15:11] <ackk> Chipaca, ok, thanks for the help debugging, I'll workaround it
[15:11] <Chipaca> i'll push a fix in a bit
[15:11] <ackk> Chipaca, it makes sense, if you have multiple commands that use the same completion
[15:11] <Chipaca> first i'll get a cuppa tea and i'll turn on the heating because somebody turned off the sun
[15:11] <ackk> I see how it's not widely used
[15:24] <cachio> mvo, this last run is running well on dragonboard
[15:24] <cachio> mvo, perhaps we need to build our image in another way
[15:25] <cachio> instead of using beta channel
[15:25] <mvo> cachio: interessting, what did you change?
[15:25] <cachio> in general
[15:25] <cachio> we can use just core from beta
[15:25] <cachio> an the rest from stable
[15:25] <cachio> mvo, it is a new image
[15:27] <cachio> mvo, do you know if there was any change for the kernel snap?
[15:30] <cachio> mvo, I am havin lunch
[15:30] <cachio> I'll research a bit about the diff on the images
[15:31] <cachio> to see what could happen
[15:31]  * cachio lunch
[15:37] <mvo> cachio: not sure, let me check if the kernel has changed recently
[15:38] <pedronis> niemeyer: here's the discussion I mentioned about service order: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/cross-snap-service-ordering/8319
[15:38] <mvo> cachio: one week and 5 days ago was the last upload
[15:57] <mup> PR snapd#6129 opened: data/completion: pass documented arguments to completion functions <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6129>
[15:57] <Chipaca> ackk: ^
[15:57] <ackk> Chipaca, nice, thanks
[15:58] <Chipaca> ackk: a big difference that makes argcomplete's eval(<some python>) approach slow with snaps is that the whole environment is discarded every time
[15:58] <Chipaca> ackk: whereas outside of snap you'd only do the eval the first time you tap tab
[15:58] <ackk> Chipaca, sigh, I was trying to put the generated completion file in snap/local, but snapcraft looks for it before actually filling snap/
[15:58] <ackk> Chipaca, ah yeah I had noticed completion was slow
[15:59] <Chipaca> ye
[16:02] <sergiusens> jamespage: you can use passthrough. I would explain more but I am sitting on a plane waiting on news on my diverted flight due to failed landing
[16:05] <ackk> is there a way to access the snap/ dir (IOW $PWD/snap from where "snapcraft" is run) inside a part?
[16:13] <mup> PR # closed: core-build#11, core-build#22, core-build#26, core-build#37
[16:14] <mup> PR # opened: core-build#11, core-build#22, core-build#26, core-build#37
[16:17] <ackk> Chipaca, got it working with the generated shell completion
[16:17] <Chipaca> ackk: woo
[16:17] <Chipaca> ackk: any faster?
[16:18] <ackk> Chipaca, can't really tell 'cause I haven't been using the old one, but it seems fast enough
[16:19] <Chipaca> ackk: fair enough
[16:20] <Chipaca> ackk: next you may want to look into whether passing some of the don't-load-site-libaries options still works and speeds up your python, or not
[16:20] <Chipaca> ackk: in the http snap I found it sped things up by quite a bit
[16:20] <Chipaca> (but i had to fiddle with sys.path in the script)
[16:22] <ackk> mvo, in which core18 version is the ldd link fixed?
[16:22] <ackk> I still see it broken in edge
[16:22] <ackk> (449)
[16:23] <mvo> ackk: yeah, its not merged yet, I was hoping for a review from foundations. if there is none by tomorrow I will merge, could you please remind me in our morning again?
[16:24] <ackk> mvo, ah I see, I thought it was pushed to edge already
[16:24] <ackk> mvo, sure, thanks
[16:24] <mvo> ackk: this fix is not, just the other one in core when there "core18" only and no core (the fix for the configure script)
[16:25] <ackk> mvo, oh, that one, I see
[16:36] <cachio> mvo, I am making some tests to see how it works changing the way we create the image
[16:37] <mvo> ok
[16:40] <cachio> mvo, because the test process is the same, what could change is the image we use
[16:41] <cachio> mvo, or testflinger is having some troubles to build the image
[16:41] <cachio> but no error shown in the logs
[16:43] <mvo> cachio: hm, thanks. is it worth checking with plars  if there might be any testfilinger issues?
[16:45] <plars> cachio: we don't typically build images, we install them from url
[16:46] <plars> cachio: I'm happy to try it out if you email me some info though... I'm sprinting right now though, so email preferred since it's 12:30am
[16:47] <cachio> plars, sure
[16:48] <cachio> plars, I'll write an email
[16:53] <mup> PR snapd#6130 opened: snap: make Epoch's MarshalJSON not simplify <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6130>
[16:53] <pedronis> mvo: mmh, we are getting timeouts in travis, for example your #6039
[16:53] <mup> PR #6039: snapstate: do not allow classic mode for strict snaps <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6039>
[16:54] <mvo> :/
[16:56] <cachio> pedronis, mvo checking
[16:56] <pedronis> cachio: thx
[16:56] <cachio> pedronis, mvo it is the opensuse issue I mentioned on friday
[16:57] <cachio> I was trying to update it today but still getting some errors
[16:57] <cachio> pedronis, in case I can't create a new image today I'll move to manual until it works again properly
[16:57] <pedronis> thanks
[16:57] <cachio> np
[17:02] <mup> PR snapd#6131 opened: store:  remove unused currentSnap and currentSnapJSON <Simple 😃> <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6131>
[17:04] <mup> PR snapd#6132 opened: many: some small doc comment fixes in recent hotplug code <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6132>
[17:17] <mvo> zyga: for tomorrow - I pushed a spread test for 6128 (the gpio bug). it hopefully simulates things good enough, fails on master (so triggers the bug), I'm waiting for the successful run and will check after hockey
[17:26] <cachio> mvo, last run on dragonboard passed
[17:27] <cachio> it is running on my device
[17:27] <cachio> the diff as I said the the source image
[23:30] <mup> Bug #1803002 opened: Multiple SELinux alerts on install / uninstall on Fedora 29 <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1803002>