[08:20] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[08:20] <Dhraakellian> so it's more likely the Ubuntu vs. Kubuntu/Xubuntu difference then?
[08:20] <esperegu> yeah.
[08:20] <esperegu> they all have there own according programs
[08:20] <esperegu> own mediaplayers etc.
[08:20] <esperegu> but you can install the one you like using packages
[08:20] <esperegu> is this normal: The application 'DCOPServer' has requested access to the open wallet 'kdewallet' ???
[08:21] <esperegu> I get it when I log in.
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> expected behavior: Fn+pageup/pagedown changes volume
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> (or the buttons on the side of the laptop)
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> it worked with Ubuntu 7.04 and then the same installation with Kubuntu-desktop installed
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> (and running KDE)
[08:22]  * Dhraakellian wonders if installing Ubuntu-desktop would make it work
[08:22] <esperegu> donno
[08:22] <pagan0ne> so noone knows why kdewallet would suddenly nolonger work?
[08:23] <Dhraakellian> well, it's a fresh install, so I suppose that if I want to install ubuntu-desktop to experiment, there's not much I'd lose by just wiping the installation to get rid of Gnome cleanly
[08:23] <esperegu> pagan0ne: it asks for access.
[08:23] <esperegu> pagan0ne: shoulf I Allow Always?
[08:23] <pagan0ne> esperegu: my kdewallet wont even load, it just is like its not there
[08:23] <esperegu> pagan0ne: hmm.. I don't see an icon either.
[08:23] <pagan0ne> esperegu: kdewallet stores passwords etc, sensitive info, if your loading a program that you want to have access to those passwords, yes, otherwise, no, dont allow it
[08:24] <contrast83> Is it possible to make APT *always* look in a certain place for a CD-based repository, rather than /media/cdrom exclusively?
[08:24] <pagan0ne> well, im gonna try to reboot, need to change kernels anyway, hopefully all will be right in the world when i get back!
[08:28] <esperegu> anyone knows what DCOPServer is supposed to do?
[08:30] <Jucato> it allows KDE apps to talk to each other through dcop
[08:30] <Dhraakellian> esperegu: DCOP is the Desktop COmmunications Protocol, which lets programs integrate talk to each other
[08:31] <hangthedj> esperegu, http://www.kde.gr.jp/help/doc/kde-i18n/ja/docs/kdevelop/addendum/HTML/dcop.html
[08:31] <Dhraakellian> DCOPServer is what lets them d—ninja'd
[08:31] <esperegu> Ok. so it is probably not safe to give it access to the wallet? Or do all programs use it to talk to the walled?
[08:36] <edenbeast> esperegu: it'll only be able to use what methods kwallet itself exposes to dcop so there should be no danger there
[08:37] <edenbeast> I wish kwallet would be PAMed :-/
[08:37] <esperegu> edenbeast: ok. thx
[08:45] <HackXP> I had fiesty fawn 7.04 installed.  During this time, I installed kde-desktop.  I since upgraded to gutsy gibbon.  Do I have to reinstall kde-desktop in 7.10..or did the upgrade accomplish that as well?
[08:51] <pparker> hi here
[08:51] <pparker> i'm running gutsy and i can't get kde4 beta3 running
[08:52] <pparker> i 've followed instructions
[08:52] <pparker> any help is welcome
[09:05] <titanix88> hey everibuntu!
[09:08] <MilesG> hello?
[09:08] <Myrth[home]> hi, if i quit power manager from the systray, how do i run it again?
[09:09] <MilesG> Myrth[home]: 1 sec i might know this
[09:09] <MilesG> Myrth[home]: are you trying to have it load at startup?
[09:09] <titanix88> add to panel.
[09:10] <MilesG> yea you could add to panel or add it to kicker
[09:10] <Myrth[home]> MilesG: no, when i did /etc/init.d/dbus restart because network manager was borked it shows just a bolt, without battery status
[09:10] <KarenM> hELLo
[09:11] <KarenM> is anyone here
[09:11] <MilesG> ya
[09:11] <Myrth[home]> and there's no power manager in applets
[09:11] <hangthedj> Myrth[home], /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance-powermanager/guidance-power-manager.py
[09:11] <MilesG> KarenM: are you copying my name
[09:11] <KarenM> wah
[09:11] <KarenM> its my name
[09:12] <MilesG> hey guys i hacked my razr phone and put ubuntu on it
[09:12] <KarenM> i have a dumb question
[09:12] <MilesG> !dumb
[09:12] <ubotu> dumb is mc44
[09:12] <MilesG> !mc44
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mc44 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <KarenM> i have a file from /home called hw.text and i want to change the file permission
[09:12] <KarenM> i forgot the command
[09:12] <MilesG> chmod
[09:13] <KarenM> is it chmod -rw
[09:13] <MilesG> ya sure
[09:13] <MilesG> wait
[09:13] <MilesG> what permission are you trying to give it
[09:13] <Myrth[home]> hangthedj: didn't do anything
[09:13] <KarenM> so that i could only read and write
[09:13] <Myrth[home]> oh wait, just took time
[09:13] <Myrth[home]> thanks :)
[09:13] <hangthedj> do alt+F2 and type it in the box
[09:13] <hangthedj> oh ok
[09:13] <KarenM> chmod u+rw hw.text
[09:13] <KarenM> is that right guys
[09:14] <MilesG> do chmod 600 hw.txt
[09:14] <hangthedj> you could link it to /usr/bin in case you want an easier way to run it, but it should start automatically.
[09:14] <Myrth[home]> hangthedj: why is it hidden so well? :)
[09:14] <hangthedj> ?
[09:14] <hangthedj> it should just start.
[09:14] <Myrth[home]> yeah but there's no way to restart it?
[09:14] <Myrth[home]> besides knowing this path :P
[09:14] <MilesG> KarenM: you got it?
[09:14] <titanix88> milesg:h did u do that razr stuff?0
[09:15] <MilesG> titanix88: I didnt really put ubuntu on, i did connect to it via moto4lin, removed a lot of the garbage verizon puts on there, and i created a .gif that looks like the ubuntu splash screen
[09:15] <hangthedj> Myrth[home], i didn't even know what the command was, i just found it with ps ax}grep power
[09:15] <Myrth[home]> ah i see
[09:15] <hangthedj> i wonder why its hidden so well.
[09:15] <MilesG> so when my razr boots now, it runs that ubuntu splash.gif i made, instead of the verizon one
[09:15] <KarenM> i think i did
[09:15] <KarenM> thanx
[09:16] <MilesG> i plan on making a skin for it that looks like kde
[09:16] <titanix88> milerg:got it.
[09:16] <juan> oal
[09:16] <hangthedj> anybody use GenTube?  its a very, very cool script for downloading youtube videos
[09:16] <juan> ola
[09:17]  * MilesG loves the razr now
[09:17] <juan> yeaaaahhhhhhhhh
[09:17] <KarenM> tyty
[09:17] <KarenM> bb now
[09:17] <juan> hello
[09:19] <juan>
[09:19] <juan>
[09:19] <MilesG> o rly?
[09:20] <MilesG> does anyone have a razr phone in here?
[09:21] <level1> does anyone know any calculator programs for linux capable of solving integrals?
[09:21] <harmental> any xfig gurus out there?
[09:21] <hangthedj> level1, have you tried speedcrunch?
[09:22] <hangthedj> i think its gtk based, but very nice
[09:22] <level1> hangthedj: its qt but not kde... can it solve integrals?
[09:22] <hangthedj> level1, i dunno, but it seems to have just about everything in it.
[09:22] <MilesG> hangthedj: i think speedcrunch is qt, it defaults with kde
[09:23] <MilesG> in kubuntu that is*
[09:23] <level1> hangthedj: I don't know how to input an integral with it
[09:24] <pagan0ne> what do i have to do to change the background displayed on the 2nd monitor during the splash screen and login screen?
[09:24] <hangthedj> go to settings -> show functions list, and scroll down to int... ohh wait, nevermind.
[09:25] <hangthedj> sorry i don't know.
[09:26] <pagan0ne> well i assume its root accounts default background, so what do i have to do (other than change roots password) to enable the ability to login as root?
[09:28] <pagan0ne> nvm, i found where to change it System Settings -> Advanced -> Login Manager -> Background
[09:32] <hangthedj> level1, go to sourceforge.net and search for integral
[09:33] <hangthedj> or search on http://www.google.com/linux
[09:33] <titanix88> anyone here know a
[09:33] <titanix88> four variable equation solver? i need one.
[09:34] <hangthedj> http://qalculate.sourceforge.net/
[09:34] <titanix88> i mean any free math suite?
[09:34] <hangthedj> that says it does integral, and that its the best desktop calculator on the market
[09:34] <titanix88> ok.thnx.i'll check it.
[09:37] <Jucato> (Speedcrunch is pure Qt)
[09:39] <WaltzingAlong> !root
[09:39] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[09:40] <WaltzingAlong> !info qttube | hangthedj
[09:40] <ubotu> hangthedj: Package qttube does not exist in gutsy
[09:40] <WaltzingAlong> !info youtube-dl | hangthedj
[09:40] <ubotu> hangthedj: youtube-dl: download videos from youtube.com. In component universe, is extra. Version 2007.08.24-1 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 64 kB
[09:40] <hangthedj> i like gentube better than qttube
[09:41] <MilesG> dang package size 7kb?!!!!
[09:41] <MilesG> must be like 1 script
[09:42] <contrast83_> Greets, everyone...
[09:43] <contrast83_> I'm having some problems with my wireless card. It keeps randomly losing the connection, forcing me to reboot (restarting NetworkManager and /etc/init.d/networking restart don't help). It didn't do this *at all* in Feisty.
[09:43] <hangthedj> !qalculate
[09:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qalculate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:44] <contrast83_> Also, I had to comment out everything under "iface lo inet loopback" in /etc/network/interfaces to get it to work at all, which I didn't have to do in Feisty. Not sure if that's relevant.
[09:45] <WaltzingAlong> greetings contrast83_ yeah i have read that too, to have networkmanager working well one needs to remove the eth entries from the interfaces file
[09:45] <contrast83_> QtTube is on GetDeb, I think. Maybe Qulculate as well. If not, I'm almost certain it's on KDE-Apps.org
[09:45] <hangthedj> !info qalculate
[09:45] <ubotu> qalculate: Powerful and easy to use desktop calculator - transitional. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.4-2build1 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 72 kB
[09:45] <arctanx> Has anyone encountered KDM suddenly not starting on boot for some reason? (Gutsy) If you try to start it manually, you get a sed error about an unterminated substitution command.
[09:46] <contrast83_> WaltzingAlong: Right, but the problem is it's *not* working well, even after doing that. :-\
[09:46] <arctanx> I found a forum post about it but they only solved the problem by rolling back to pre-gutsy (though mine was a fresh install)
[09:47] <hangthedj> ahh youtube-dl is a python script
[09:48] <arctanx> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=574737 is the error specifically
[09:48] <ANH> How  to I install flash with Konqueror?
[09:48] <ANH> I mean, install flash to work with Konqueror
[09:49] <dystopianray> is anyone else getting gpg errors on the security repo for gutsy?
[09:49] <dystopianray> I've been unable to properly update for three days
[09:49] <contrast83_> Anyone know what would cause my network card to lose its connection, then fail when I attempt to reconnect? This is driving me insane.
[09:49] <hangthedj> i wrote a script to install or fix flash on konq, but i never put it up for download
[09:49] <contrast83_> Flash doesn't work on Konqueror? Seems fine here.
[09:50] <WaltzingAlong> !flash
[09:50] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:50] <hangthedj> flashplugin-nonfree
[09:50] <contrast83_> hangthedj: Did you scan for new plugins?
[09:50] <hangthedj> flash works fine for me.
[09:51] <contrast83_> Ohh, sorry. I failed to read up a few lines.
[09:51] <hangthedj> you can also go to Konqueror -> Settings -> File Associations -> search for swf, and delete Netscape plugin from the embedding tab, and load a webpage, and it will install it.
[09:52] <WaltzingAlong> qttube is in the gutsy repositories i thought
[09:53] <Rebecca_work> anyone else noticed that compiz multiple desktops and kde multiple desktops don't exactly play nicely together?
[09:53] <WaltzingAlong> or maybe just from getdeb.net
[09:53] <WaltzingAlong> Rebecca_work: yes. with compiz-fusion installed use the compiz-fusion components to manipulate the number of virtual desktops
[09:53] <contrast83_> Rebecca_work: Yep. You might want to install compiz-kicker from Trevino's repository. I think there's only a Feisty package for it ATM, but that one's working fine here.
[09:54] <hangthedj> i guess qttube isn't in the repos
[09:54] <Rebecca_work> thanks guys :)
[09:54] <contrast83_> Rebecca_work: No problem
[09:54] <contrast83_> The packages on GetDeb are all supposed to be standards-compliant, right?
[09:54] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83_: though i use youtube-dl with 'actions' in klipper :D
[09:55] <ANH> !Restricted
[09:55] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:55] <contrast83_> WaltzingAlong: Sounds interesting. I haven't really messed with Klipper much, aside from its obvious use.
[10:03] <RedDevil> Hi all...
[10:03] <Selanit> I thought I'd upgrade to Gutsy Gibbon this evening, but the version upgrade app appears to have frozen 2% of the way into the "installing the update" phase.  If I kill the process now, can I restart it and recover or will I fubar my system?
[10:03] <osh_> Anyone using kubuntu in a windows environment? I need to connect to an AD to see our printers. I manage to connect to the AD via kioslave smb:/ but the printers don't show up. Machines and folders does however.
[10:04] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: yeah you can continue
[10:05] <Selanit> Well, heck.    It's been sitting there for ages now doing nothing.
[10:05] <Selanit> What a pain.
[10:05] <Selanit> Thanks
[10:05] <RedDevil> Can anybody explain to me what Alan Cox kernel patch do?
[10:05] <jarle> I had the upgrade tool hang on initial upgrade to gutsy, which process or lockfile do I need to kill to be able to run Adept Manager over again?
[10:06] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: i have read that some others after adept manager and the update tool died then use aptitude or apt-get from there. sudo aptitude -f install   or sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[10:06] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix | jarle
[10:06] <ubotu> jarle: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[10:06] <contrast83_> Can someone please help me with my wireless card? It randomly loses the connection sometimes and I can't reconnect without rebooting.
[10:07] <Myrth[home]> contrast83_: happens to me, /etc/init.d/dbus restart helps
[10:08] <contrast83_> Myrth[home]: Is that *all* you have to do? No restarting K/NetworkManager or "/etc/init.d/networking restart"?
[10:08] <Myrth[home]> nope
[10:08] <Myrth[home]> just this
[10:08] <contrast83_> Awesome, thanks a million.
[10:08] <Selanit> Hmm.  I It looks as though when I closed the upgrade app, it left /var/lib/dpkg locked.  I'll have to dig through the process list and see if I can figure out which one is using it.
[10:08] <Myrth[home]> it should restart all relevant services
[10:09] <contrast83_> Myrth[home]: Any idea what's causing the problem? This card worked flawlessly in Feisty.
[10:09] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: This did the trick... I can't remember ever having a flawless upgrade of ubuntu, but I usually get it working in the end...
[10:09] <Myrth[home]> contrast83_: i think network manager was reworked or something
[10:09] <osh_> Is there anyone using kubuntu in a windows environment here?
[10:09] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: :D so someone should be working on the upgrade tools and processes to 8.04 already? :D
[10:10] <Myrth[home]> contrast83_: oh also, the first time it happened i've read somewhere to comment out all interfaces but local in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:10] <contrast83_> osh_: VirtualBox?
[10:10] <bachir> salut
[10:10] <bachir> comment ça va
[10:10] <contrast83_> !fr
[10:10] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:11] <RedDevil> I'm using kubuntu on a windows environment...
[10:11] <RedDevil> may I help you?
[10:11] <contrast83_> Heh
[10:11] <Selanit> I bet it froze because the installation of the updated debconf segfaulted
[10:12] <jarle> Selanit: correct.... fix?
[10:12] <qwandor> I just upgraded to Gutsy, and now I cannot change my desktop background (I can set it, but the setting has no effect)
[10:12] <qwandor> any ideas why or how to fix?
[10:12] <Selanit> jarle: what?
[10:12] <jarle> Selanit: installation of the updated debconf segfaulted, why?
[10:12] <Selanit> Jarle: oh, I wasn't responding to your question - see, my installation of debconf segfaulted too
[10:13] <Selanit> I was just pondering
[10:13] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: sudo aptitude -f install  ?          sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -y dist-upgrade ?
[10:13] <Selanit> WaltzingAlong, none of those work because /var/lib/dpkg is locked
[10:13] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix | Selanit
[10:13] <ubotu> Selanit: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[10:13] <jarle> Selanit: then we have the same problem it seems...
[10:13] <Selanit> I'm isolating and killing processes spawned by the dead update using ps aux | grep adept
[10:13] <Selanit> oh
[10:14] <Selanit> But there's a better solution it seems
[10:15] <Selanit> WaltzingAlong:  is that » part of the command?
[10:15] <WaltzingAlong> no just the things within the << and >>
[10:15] <Selanit> Ah
[10:16] <Selanit> Hmm.  Check this:
[10:16] <Selanit> Kill process 14347 ? (y/N) y
[10:16] <Selanit> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[10:17] <WaltzingAlong> ps aux | grep apt
[10:17] <WaltzingAlong> ps aux | grep dpkg
[10:17] <jarle> this is why I waited about a week before upgrade to gutsy, I wanted a smooth install, but seems like a week was not enough :)
[10:18] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: went smooth for me and i did so a week before
[10:18] <Selanit> Interestingly, the process ID that it asks me to kill changes every time I run the fuser -vki command
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: seems there may be several apt/dpkg/adept and so on open
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: killall appname
[10:19] <qwandor> can other people successfully change their desktop background on Kubuntu?
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> qwandor: yes
[10:19] <Selanit> ps aux | grep dpkg shows only one process, but every time I kill it, it's still there
[10:20] <qwandor> hmm
[10:20] <osh_> RedDevil: Sorry, I was on the phone.
[10:20] <hangthedj> qwandor, yes
[10:20] <qwandor> I cannot find any bug reports either
[10:21] <osh_> RedDevil: I'm trying to connect to a windows printer in our AD but when I connect (smb://ad-name.domain.com) no printers show up, only folders and machines.
[10:21] <hangthedj> If you can't find anything and nothing is working, file a bug report, with your system information, and whats happening.
[10:21] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: I experience the same problem: "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process"
[10:21] <osh_> RedDevil: Do you have any idea on how to connect to a printer that's been setup like that?
[10:22] <Selanit> jarle: what happens when you sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a  ...?
[10:22]  * contrast83_ chuckles at the irony of typing "exec killall -1 katapult" into Katapult.
[10:23] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: Thats when I get: "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process"
[10:23] <hangthedj> is adept running? ps ax|grep adept?
[10:23] <Jucato> contrast83_: um.. why? (aside from the irony?)
[10:23] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: because of the second part, dpkg --configure
[10:23] <qwandor> does anybody know what [$d] does in a kde config file?
[10:24] <qwandor> I know that [$i] prevents the option from being changed
[10:24] <jarle> I seem to have a lot of "usr/bin/python /tmp/kde-root/adept_manager6ANQya.tmp-extract/dist-upgrade.py --frontend DistUpgradeViewKDE --have-prerequists --with-network" running, better kill them and try again I guess..
[10:25] <WaltzingAlong> try fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock         get just one process using it?
[10:26] <Selanit> I too have multiple adept processes running.  I suspect that those are still active, and that every time I kill a dpkg process, they immediately spawn another one
[10:27] <WaltzingAlong> do you also have the python script running dist-upgrade.py ?
[10:28] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: this does not return anything...
[10:28] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: yes
[10:28] <Selanit> Ahhhh
[10:28] <Selanit> I managed to kill all the adept processes, which were actually python scripts that Adept spawned
[10:28] <Selanit> And now I can use apt again
[10:29] <Selanit> jarle, try sudo killall python (assuming that you don't have any other critical python scripts running)
[10:31] <qrawl> !ipv6
[10:31] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[10:34] <qwandor> aha: deleting a whole lot of stuff from .kde/share/config/kdesktoprc solved my problem
[10:34] <qwandor> still odd though
[10:36] <Selanit> Okay, now that I've got my apt back I'm not sure how to recover.  If I sudo apt-get -f install, it lists off a ton of things to install to correct unmet dependencies of existing packages.  Do I do that?
[10:37] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: yes. you could also do sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade   (or sudo aptitude -f install) and even after the -f install you will want to run a dist-upgrade
[10:38] <TimS> LOL According to the malware alarm I have Trojans and Backdoor viruses and 26 peices of malware XD
[10:38] <Selanit> righto.  -f install and then a dist-upgrade
[10:38] <Selanit> Sigh
[10:38] <TimS> Stupid adverts
[10:38] <TimS> IM ON LINUX XD
[10:38] <Selanit> Hope this works
[10:39] <contrast83> TimS: Our advanced software has detected your system may ALREADY BE INFECTED. Click here now to fix this!!!111
[10:39] <TimS> Its soo stupid
[10:39] <TimS> But why did Ad block plus not stop it
[10:40] <Selanit> Man, MS really shot itself in the foot with Vista
[10:40] <TimS> Foot, and the chest
[10:41] <WaltzingAlong> so help everyone you know get to gnu/linux based distros like kubuntu; not only installing but also some walkthroughs of where things are. one of my clients kept asking for weeks where "C:\" was and the letters of the removable media (digital cameras and such); as i mentioned, after a few days with it the kubuntu way, it was much nice and easier than remembering an arcane drive letter
[10:43] <contrast83> ^ +1
[10:43] <emilsedgh> ^ -1
[10:43] <contrast83> I cringe everytime I have to navigate through the filesystem (to use the term loosely) on a Windows system.
[10:44] <Selanit> I intend to plug Ubuntu at the end of the term as a great way for my students to continue studying web development on their own.
[10:44] <contrast83> What's crazy is I used Windows for 10 years. I've used Linux for 1, and I'm already much more comfortable in it.
[10:45] <contrast83> Selanit: Do you show them Quanta?
[10:45] <contrast83> I hear that's one of the best Linux apps for web development.
[10:45] <Selanit> I teach them hand coding using very basic text editors, because that's the best way to really grok HTML and CSS.  Then later on, once they've got a solid understanding of the code, they can go use more powerful programs.
[10:46] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83: while ms windows *may be* easier to start, there is certainly a peak which is reached rather quickly. with gnu/linux based distros like kubuntu that easier to start is not an ms windows only (or not a what we have been using for the last 10 years only) quality, but the level of knowledge and capacity to learn more and do more is bounds higher
[10:47] <contrast83> Agreed, I think. :-)
[10:47] <Selanit> Hmm.  My Firefox just crashed.  Perhaps it was unwise to try opening a new page in the middle of a dist-upgrade
[10:49] <contrast83> I dunno. I think things in Linux tend to follow a very clean logic. How quickly you take to it over Windows, or vice versa, just depends on how logical a person you are. :-P
[10:52] <Hamra> hi all, i always believed that learning to use the computer is done by practice and trial & error, but unfortunatly this consumes time, my knowledge in windows comes from the fact that ive been using it for a decade, but i only installed linux 2 weeks ago, is there any guide to speed up this learning process?
[10:53] <Selanit> Crud - the dist-upgrade got a long way in and then exited with an error code
[10:53] <WaltzingAlong> Hamra: what would you like to do with your gnu/linux installation?
[10:53] <jimmydee> Hamra: crystal meth and no sleep
[10:53] <contrast83> lol
[10:54] <sub[t]rnl> heh
[10:54] <WaltzingAlong> Hamra: check the manuals. in a !terminal, man <appname>
[10:54] <Hamra> nothing specific, in general, the common stuff
[10:54] <jimmydee> yeah, read the man man
[10:54] <contrast83> Blah
[10:54] <Selanit> I think New Riders Press has published a couple books introducing Ubuntu
[10:54] <sub[t]rnl> hang around here long enough and you'll pick up a thing or two
[10:54] <WaltzingAlong> Hamra: like check email and surf the web?
[10:55] <WaltzingAlong> try something, when it does not work use the available tools (start with the logs!) to diagnose what happened
[10:56] <sub[t]rnl> WaltzingAlong: got nmap on your box?
[10:56] <Hamra> thnx a lot, maybe i should start reading man
[10:56] <WaltzingAlong> sub[t]rnl: yes
[10:56] <toby> Any clue yet when Gutsy is going to get moved into the standard repositories? Currently it's only installable via Adept if you enable the "Pre-released updates" repo.
[10:56] <sub[t]rnl> Hamra: yeah, just read whatever you come across
[10:59] <Jucato> toby: um... Gutsy's already released (a.k.a. "in the standard repositories")
[11:01] <Selanit> SELECT * FROM glyphs WHERE Page = 150 AND Pos > 4;
[11:01] <Selanit> Ack
[11:01] <Selanit> Wrong place to type
[11:01] <Selanit> disregard
[11:01] <toby> Jucato: It wasn't last night when I checked (for Kubuntu, I mean). Did it get moved to the standard repos in the last 12 hours?
[11:02] <Jucato> um. last week
[11:02] <acey> Can someone help me with something?
[11:02] <Jucato> toby: what exactly are you doing?
[11:02] <Jucato> !someone | acey
[11:02] <ubotu> acey: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:02] <acey> lol i didn't know if anyone was one, whats the equivalent in KDE to th gconf-editor?
[11:03] <Jucato> nothing. you don't need it :D
[11:03] <toby> Jucato: I think we're at crossed purposes here :) I want to upgrade from Kubuntu Feisty to Gutsy using Adept. With the standard repos enabled the update isn't made available. You have to enable "PreReleased updates" as per instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php
[11:03] <jimmydee> acey: kate
[11:03] <Jucato> jimmydee: almost all (almost) available options for KDE and apps are in configuration dialog boxes
[11:03] <Jucato> er..
[11:03] <Jucato> acey: almost all (almost) available options for KDE and apps are in configuration dialog boxes
[11:03] <Jucato> jimmydee: you have no idea what gconf-editor is do you? :)
[11:04] <acey> yea I do I installed it it because someone told me I need it to make the shortcuts appear on my desktop
[11:04] <Jucato> toby: yes. that doesn't mean gutsy isn't on the standard repos.
[11:04] <jimmydee> I got it screwed up with gedit
[11:04] <jimmydee> I'm tired leave me alone
[11:04] <acey> like make the Home and trash bin shortcuts appear on my desktop
[11:04]  * Jucato leaves jimmydee alone w/ a cookie
[11:04] <Jucato> acey: that's on GNOME. not on KDE
[11:04] <acey> Oo so you can't have shortcuts on KDE?
[11:04] <Jucato> of course you can
[11:04] <acey> well can you please tell me how? lol
[11:05] <qwandor> acey: just right click on the desktop, configure, behaviour
[11:05] <qwandor> tick 'show icons on desktop'
[11:05] <acey> there all checked
[11:05] <Jucato> right-click on the desktop -> Create New -> Link to location (URL)
[11:05] <Jucato> for home, just type $HOME or ~ as the URL
[11:05] <acey> srry nvm it is already checked
[11:05] <tysonsw> I just lost my wireless  mapping.. I can't see if there are wireless inthe area.. and the network manager seems to be stuck att that I am connected with a cable.. what do I do?
[11:05] <Jucato> for trash, use trash:/
[11:05] <leroy> anybody using kde4beta3?
[11:06] <qwandor> if you want to add new icons, the easiest may be to drag icons from e.g. the panel and select copy
[11:06] <Jucato> toby: the Pre-released updates that you enable is to upgrade Adept on feisty to a version that supports the upgrade to Gutsy feature
[11:06] <qwandor> or what Jucato said
[11:06] <Jucato> if the icons are on the said panel already :)
[11:06] <qwandor> yes
[11:06] <epimeth> Jucato: long time no seeee :-)
[11:06] <Jucato> default Kubuntu setup, it isn't.
[11:07] <Jucato> hi epimeth! long time :)
[11:07] <tysonsw> I just lost my wireless  mapping.. I can't see if there are wireless inthe area.. and the network manager seems to be stuck att that I am connected with a cable.. what do I do?
[11:07] <epimeth> Jucato: you checked out kde4 yet?
[11:07] <qwandor> ok, never mind then
[11:07] <acey> Ok so how do I make a icon with the home shortcut?
[11:07] <WaltzingAlong> toby: you can merely change the entries in your sources.list file from feisty to gutsy then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade  but the adept updater tool is meant to assure a cleaner upgrade
[11:07] <acey> Because it made an icon with the trash bin shortcut I made just not with the home
[11:08] <Selanit> Oo, I think it's done.  I'd better log out, restart X, and log back in to see if things are working.
[11:08] <Jucato> acey: right-click on the icon -> PRoperties -> click on the icon in the box and search for Home
[11:08] <toby> Jucato: This page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyComments says that enabling pre-released updates will not be required "in about a week" which, from the date that comment was made, is about now.
[11:08] <acey> K sweet thanks for the help
[11:08] <acey> O and what about one for storage media?
[11:08] <tysonsw> I just lost my wireless  mapping.. I can't see if there are wireless inthe area.. and the network manager seems to be stuck att that I am connected with a cable.. what do I do?'
[11:09] <Jucato> toby: if not enabling Pre-released didn't work, then enable it to make it work :)
[11:09] <epimeth> I installed yesterday by changing feisty to gutsy and apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:09] <epimeth> but I have universe and multiverse enabled, too....
[11:09] <qwandor> acey: try putting media:/ as the URI
[11:09] <Jucato> epimeth: you might not end up with all the right packages
[11:09] <toby> Jucato: I'm nervous of enabling Pre-released though because I don't understand it. Will it not bring a load of alpha software down with it if I enable it? :D
[11:09] <Jucato> no
[11:10] <epimeth> Jucato: everything seems to be working a-ok
[11:10] <Jucato> and even if they did, they'd be overwritten by the newer versions in Gutys :)
[11:10] <acey> K sweet thanks for your help it works
[11:10] <epimeth> except for kde4.... heh
[11:10] <Jucato> epimeth: you have strigi? dolphin?
[11:10] <epimeth> hrm... didn't try dolphin
[11:10] <epimeth> yup
[11:10] <epimeth> dolphin works
[11:10] <epimeth> but
[11:10] <Jucato> ok
[11:10] <tysonsw> I just lost my wireless  mapping.. I can't see if there are wireless inthe area.. and the network manager seems to be stuck att that I am connected with a cable.. what do I do?'
[11:10] <epimeth> Failed to contact Nepokum service
[11:11] <Jucato> hm... are you using the dolphin from KDE4?
[11:11] <epimeth> doesn't seem like I have strigi
[11:11]  * Jucato is talking about strigi and dolphin on KDE3 in Kubuntu Gutsy
[11:11] <epimeth> lol
[11:11] <epimeth> oh
[11:11] <epimeth> no, I'm in kde4 right now
[11:11] <epimeth> just wanted to check it out
[11:11] <Jucato> if you didn't get those, then there might other stuff you didn't get because you just manually used apt-get
[11:12] <epimeth> it doesn't seem to work, exactly :-)
[11:12] <epimeth> plasma, specifically, doesn't seem to actually do anything
[11:12] <epimeth> and I don't have a k-menu
[11:12] <Jucato> yes, because plasma is still in slightly alpha
[11:12] <epimeth> and my windows don't appear on the system tray
[11:13] <epimeth> erm task panel
[11:13] <Jucato> the menu function was added after the beta3 freeze. long story
[11:13] <epimeth> engine explorer doesn't work....
[11:14] <epimeth> alt+tab doesn't highlight what will open....
[11:14] <epimeth> grrr
[11:14] <epimeth> going back to 3
[11:14] <epimeth> brb
[11:15] <tysonsw> I just lost my wireless  mapping.. I can't see if there are wireless inthe area.. and the network manager seems to be stuck att that I am connected with a cable.. what do I do?'
[11:15] <epimeth> ahoy there
[11:16] <epimeth> so to answer your prior query, yes dolphin works... dunno if its the right version tho
[11:16] <Jucato> simple. Help -> About Dolphin :)
[11:16] <Jucato> or if it looks krappy
[11:16] <epimeth> 0.9.2
[11:16] <Jucato> that would be the right one
[11:16] <epimeth> lol... "looks crappy" eh?  well the one in kde4 looked better than this,  but this looks better than the previous one I saw :-)
[11:17] <epimeth> as for strigi... it's *trying* to run.... what is it?
[11:17] <vistakiller> today akregator is not working :(
[11:18] <vistakiller> yesterday was working fine
[11:18] <vistakiller> anyone else with the same problem?
[11:18] <WaltzingAlong> !strigi
[11:18] <ubotu> Services to index files for fast searching include: Beagle (front-ends: beagle, catfish, gnome-main-menu, mozilla-beagle for !GNOME; kerry, kio-beagle for !KDE; beaglefs for !CLI) - Tracker (tracker-search-tool, libdeskbar-tracker for GNOME; tracker-utils for CLI) - Strigi (strigi-applet, strigi-client for KDE, strigi-utils for CLI) - Kat (for KDE) - Pinot (and pinot-applet for GNOME) - Doodle (for CLI)
[11:19] <mefisto__> I've been figuring out how to mount a NFS share, but can't get past this problem: symbolic links on the remote mounted NFS don't work. Is there an option I need to add to the fstab line to get mounted NFS to respect symlinks?
[11:21] <WaltzingAlong> i removed strigi and its associated files. i really do not need desktop search (yet) and would not think strigi is the way to fill that demand should i have it. i suppose it was included since ubuntuG bragged about that with 7.10 and ubuntuK needed to have the counterpart
[11:21] <Jucato> WaltzingAlong: I supposed so too
[11:21] <Jucato> I'm still waiting for the final kde4 version
[11:21] <M_A_K> Can someone help me with a newtorking problem please...  Im using a ubuntu machine as my gateway (so I can log stuff using squid and dansguardian).  From my computer I can ping the gateway (both interfaces) and from the gateway I can ping my workstation.  I can ping the internet from the gateway and surf, but from my workstation I cannot get past the gateway.
[11:22] <Selanit> Well.  I am happy to report that my upgrade to gutsy gibbon appears to have completed successfully.
[11:22] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: great
[11:22] <Selanit> I am less happy to report that it wiped out the module that runs my network card, and that I am now logged in from my Windoze laptop.
[11:22] <epimeth> Jucato: I'm glancing at the kde4 site... it says plasma works... do I need to enable pre-release?
[11:22] <WaltzingAlong> Selanit: which module?
[11:23] <Selanit> RT61
[11:23] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: check the topic for instructions on installing kde4beta3 in kubuntu 7.10
[11:23] <qwandor> mefisto__: what type of NFS server are you using?
[11:23] <Selanit> I've got an edimax EW7128 wifi card in my desktop because it wasn't practical to run cable from the cable access point to my desktop
[11:24] <Selanit> I'll have to download the .deb files for it, copy them to a thumb drive, and install them
[11:24] <Jucato> epimeth: you need to compile from source if you really want to experience how plasma works at this time :D
[11:24] <epimeth> ahhh
[11:24] <Selanit> But not right now, because it's five AM and I really ought to get some sleep.
[11:24] <epimeth> right
[11:24] <mefisto__> qwandor: I installed nfs-kernel-server, so I suppose I'm using that. Is that what you're asking?
[11:25] <andrew_> newbie question.  how do i tell which version of kubuntu i have running?
[11:25] <Selanit> So, thanks for the help, people.  And good night/morning/day/afternoon, depending on where you are.  Ta!
[11:25] <qwandor> mefisto__: so, both client and server are running Linux, and the server is running the kernel NFS server?
[11:25] <Jucato> andrew_: type "lsb_release -a" in Konsole
[11:26] <qwandor> andrew_: or cat /etc/issue
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> andrew_: you could check cat /etc/lsb-release   or as Jucato  mentioned
[11:26] <andrew_> awesome, that's the dog!  thanks!
[11:26] <epimeth> Jucato: nothing in the wiki about kde4 in gutsy... where is this topic discussion you're talking about? :-)
[11:26] <Jucato> (lsb_release just prints out /etc/lsb-release in a nice way)
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> lsb_release -a takes forever! :D with cat being more or less instant
[11:26] <mefisto__> qwandor: that is correct. (both running feisty)
[11:26] <Jucato> epimeth: topic discussion?
[11:26] <Jucato> WaltzingAlong: it does? O.o
[11:26] <M_A_K> Can someone help me with a networking problem?
[11:27] <M_A_K> Please...:)
[11:27] <epimeth> Jucato: whups... that wasn't you..
[11:27] <qwandor> mefisto__: I think it should just work then... what happens when you try to create a symlink?
[11:27] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: trace ping route
[11:27] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: what topic where?  the link from kubuntu's home page?  I went according to those instructions
[11:28] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: that is what you needed to do to get kde4beta3 on your system
[11:28] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: it's on my system... it just doesn't exactly "work"
[11:28] <epimeth> plasma doesn't do anything, and plasma application loader/explorer/whatever doesn't exist
[11:28] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: basically you can run individual apps with it should you know their names
[11:28] <mefisto__> qwandor: the problem is existing symlinks on the mounted fs don't lead to their targets
[11:28] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: or build it from svn
[11:28] <M_A_K> Waltzingalong: I have
[11:29] <douglas> hello my screen settings are messed up but only for one user. How do you set this? Fine with vim.
[11:29] <M_A_K> I don;t see a problem.
[11:29] <M_A_K> Yet it still does not work.
[11:29] <WaltzingAlong> Jucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41913/ 6.5seconds?
[11:29] <qwandor> mefisto__: are there targets at the same location on the client?
[11:29] <epimeth> right... haven't compiled something from source in a while... lets do it! :-)
[11:29] <Jucato> WaltzingAlong: seriously? whoa!
[11:29] <qwandor> if not, then I think you are misunderstanding what symlinks are
[11:29] <patrick_> in the xorg conf i have specified several resolutions... is there a shortkey to switch between them?
[11:29] <WaltzingAlong> and i ran it three time is a row, that was the 3rd time Jucato
[11:29] <Jucato> weird
[11:30] <M_A_K> from gateway I can get to the internet, from workstation I can get to gatewaym but not internet...
[11:30] <WaltzingAlong> and again now, 7.1 seconds
[11:30]  * Jucato is bored... plays with the mouse....
[11:30] <douglas> patrick_:  I think it might be ctrl + on the number pad
[11:30] <epimeth> stop toying with your food, Jucato
[11:30] <emilsedgh> Jucato: play frozen bubble, its really fun :P
[11:30] <Jucato> *meow*
[11:30] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: dns settings? ping www.kubuntu.org ? tracepath www.kubuntu.org
[11:30] <epimeth> I'm addicted to netwalk
[11:30] <mefisto__> qwandor: the targets point to another partition which mounted on the remote system
[11:31] <epimeth> I keep trying to beat 55... it just isn't happening tho
[11:31] <M_A_K> Waltzingalong: I can do that from the gateway, but not the workstation.
[11:31] <qwandor> mefisto__: then it should not be expected to work
[11:31] <WaltzingAlong> ok and pastebin the results from the workstation? M_A_K
[11:32] <tysonsw> can someone plz help me.. I have lost ALL my network mapping.. I  cant se any wireless nor se if there are any connection with cable.. what have changhed that shoulden't be changed?
[11:32] <qwandor> mefisto__: symlinks are _symbolic_ links so just give the path of some file that they are pointing to
[11:32] <M_A_K> OK, brb
[11:32] <qwandor> mefisto__: depending on what you are trying to acheive, you may want to use hardlinks etc.
[11:32] <patrick_> douglas: it works with ctrl alt +(num pad). But now I'm on a laptop... do you know what it is there?
[11:33] <douglas> same??
[11:33] <mefisto__> qwandor: thanks, I think I'll look into what the difference is between symlinks and hardlinks
[11:33] <epimeth> tysonsw: you can't see any networks or is there no wireless networks title in network manager?
[11:35] <tysonsw> epimeth: no wireless network title in the network manager
[11:35] <patrick_> douglas: I have no numpad on my laptop!! ;)
[11:35] <WaltzingAlong> Fn
[11:35] <tysonsw> epimeth: if I right-click on the network manager the title "wire connection" and wireless connection" have diapered
[11:36] <epimeth> tysonsw: hrm... okay.  pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
[11:36] <M_A_K> WaltzingALong : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41914/
[11:36] <douglas> patrick_: but can't you do some sort of shift-ctrl or whatever to make one happen in the center of the normal keyboard?
[11:36] <epimeth> tysonsw: and while we're at it, I'd like to see your ifconfig results
[11:37] <epimeth> tysonsw: ^ in a console window type 'ifconfig' (noquotes) and pastebin the result
[11:37] <tysonsw> epimeth: okej...  I paste bin the in the same sinde
[11:37] <epimeth> tysonsw: where's the link?
[11:37] <douglas> so does anyone know how to set the xorg.config but just for one user? or something like it to fix a monitor setting that is just for one user?
[11:38] <tysonsw> ifconfig
[11:38] <tysonsw> epimeth: http://pastebin.ca/747781
[11:41] <epimeth> tysonsw: try changing /etc/network/interfaces to http://pastebin.ca/747784
[11:42] <M_A_K> WaltzingAlong : any other commands you like me to try?
[11:42] <epimeth> tysonsw: then run "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[11:42] <[ifr0g]> !apport
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apport - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <[ifr0g]> !apport-cli
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apport-cli - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <epimeth> tysonsw: keep in mind that this will drop your internet connection
[11:42] <epimeth> tysonsw: I'll wait here till you get back
[11:43] <cptnspoon> Hi all, I'm not getting any sound since upgrading to Gutsy, can anyone help me get my soundcard to work? (I've actually got 3)
[11:43] <epimeth> tysonsw: in fact, after the network restarts, restart the computer
[11:43] <arctanx> cptnspoon: Is it not coming out any of your other sound cards?
[11:43] <tysonsw> epimeth: ok.. I will restart nopw.. brb 2 min
[11:43] <cptnspoon> arctanx: Nope, not ANY of them
[11:44] <arctanx> cptnspoon: Odd. Have you set all the levels up on all of them?
[11:44] <cptnspoon> arctanx: Yep, I've got the mixer open and I;ve made sure everything on the Output tab for EACH soundcard is up at least a little
[11:45] <cptnspoon> arctanx: Hahahaha, oh lord...nevermind....my speaker jack to my speakers wasnt in entirely. Now I feel stupid! Hahah!
[11:45] <arctanx> cptnspoon: good work ;)
[11:45] <cptnspoon> arctanx: I now have sound. Hahaha!!
[11:46] <vistakiller> anyone else has problem with akregator?
[11:46] <arctanx> I suppose I should ask again, has anyone seen KDM stop loading for no good reason? Gives a sed error, as described at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=574737 ?
[11:49] <tysonsw> epimeth: it wtill wont work
[11:50] <epimeth> tysonsw: right click on networkmanager... then hover over "options"
[11:50] <epimeth> tysonsw: do you see a "switch to offline mode" there?
[11:50] <tysonsw> epimeth: yes
[11:50] <Lord_Drachenblut> Morning
[11:51] <Lord_Drachenblut> I'm trying to upgrade kubuntu from 7.04 to 7.10 using the alternative cd but everytime i try to run it i get this error sudo: unable to execute /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade: Permission denied
[11:51] <Lord_Drachenblut> any idea's what i may be doing wrong
[11:52] <epimeth> tysonsw: show me the screencap for "Manual Configuration"
[11:53] <M_A_K> WaltzingAlong : Do you have any suggestions?
[11:55] <tysonsw> epimeth: how can I do that??
[11:56] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: checking it now
[11:57] <johnnydk> how do i restrict access for users to certin directories?
[11:57] <johnnydk> is there any program to do so?
[11:57] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: how about a tracepath kubuntu.com
[11:57] <WaltzingAlong> johnnydk: no need for a special program to do it. use the available user and group permission settings
[11:58] <johnnydk> under system settings?
[11:58] <M_A_K> time out...
[11:58] <johnnydk> user management?
[11:58] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: how far did it get
[11:59] <M_A_K> Looks lik dns issue, but since I can't even ping from workstation to my ISP gateway, I dont expect dns to be working...
[11:59] <M_A_K> ait@ws-13:~$ tracepath kubuntu.org
[11:59] <M_A_K> gethostbyname2: Unknown host
[11:59] <WaltzingAlong> johnnydk: you could make a group, put some users in that group, then give that group permission to read/write to the directory
[11:59] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[11:59] <M_A_K> ait@ws-13:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[11:59] <M_A_K> search ait.local
[11:59] <M_A_K> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:59] <M_A_K> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:00] <mefisto__> back with my NFS problem. What I want is to have access to a thunderbird profile directory on a remote machine, which is in a windows partition mounted in /media on the remote machine. I can access the remote linux fs, but no access to the remote windows partition. The mount point /media/windows just appears as an ordinary folder instead of the (remotely) mounted windows partition. Does the windows partition need a separate
[12:00] <mefisto__> line in fstab to mount?
[12:00] <WaltzingAlong> ok so skip dns, tracepath <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:00] <johnnydk> but how do i give permissions to group?
[12:00] <johnnydk> with chmod?
[12:00] <M_A_K> K
[12:01] <M_A_K> Doesn't get past workstation...
[12:01] <M_A_K> all no reply
[12:01] <WaltzingAlong> johnnydk: maybe start with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FilePermissions
[12:03] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: so the gateway is not performing its gateway functions. how is it set up?
[12:03] <M_A_K> What do you mean?
[12:03] <drarem> fresh install, 7.10, added gcc/make libs, now can't see the internal harddrives to mount but shows up in fdisk -l
[12:04] <M_A_K> Im using iptables, dansguardian, squid, dhcp, nfs, nis
[12:04] <TimS> !deluge
[12:04] <ubotu> deluge is a new Bittorrent client, created using Python and GTK+, intended to bring a native, full-featured client to !GTK environments such as GNOME and Xfce - See http://deluge-torrent.org/ for more information or http://download.deluge-torrent.org/stable/ubuntu/feisty/ for downloading.
[12:04] <drarem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41920/
[12:05] <drarem> before the drives would show up and I could even browse them without mounting
[12:05] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: i see. so what if on the workstation you set the proxy to the gateway's squid? then the workstation need only access to the gateway and not correct routing on the gateway
[12:05] <drarem> w/o manual mounting
[12:06] <M_A_K> iptables is forcing all traffic to go through dansguardian then to squid now.
[12:06] <drarem> I installed and ran ntfs3-config, and got the NTFS and win95 partitions to mount
[12:07] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: i do not know which setting you need to change exactly but it seems the iptables entries may not be completely correct
[12:07] <M_A_K> I restored the last known working config.   It was working for weeks without issue...
[12:07] <johnnydk> WaltzingAlong: in fact i want to restrict access to ntfs partition sda7 so i would place umask in fstab under that partition. So how to set bits so that partition is not readable to other users than me?
[12:07] <M_A_K> I even tried to reset the firewall to allow all traffic
[12:08] <M_A_K> WaltzingAlong : I need to sign off for a bit so I can get to work (where the problem is).  I will be back on, if you don't mind helping me, in about 30 minutes as JuJuBee.
[12:08] <epimeth> tysonsw: sorry, my girlfriend demanded I do the dishes
[12:08] <WaltzingAlong> M_A_K: ok
[12:08] <M_A_K> Thank you.
[12:08] <epimeth> tysonsw: theres a pastebin for images... I forget the site
[12:08] <M_A_K> brb
[12:08] <epimeth> !imagebin
[12:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imagebin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:08] <epimeth> !imagepaste
[12:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imagepaste - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:09] <epimeth> anybody know the site for posting screencaps?
[12:09] <hellohello> Anybody knows what DNS server should be used for a DNS server own resolution (network config of the server)?
[12:11] <WaltzingAlong> johnnydk: good question i am not sure about that with ntfs partitions; perhaps you could restrict access to the mount point of that partition, removing access from 'other' chmod o-rw
[12:11] <WaltzingAlong> hellohello: what? you want to run your own dns? install bind9
[12:12] <hellohello> WaltzingAlong : yes it's done, but I'm configuring it's network and am wondering what should I put under DNS server (like localhost maybe ?)
[12:12] <johnnydk> WaltzingAlong: thanks for your help, i'll google a little bit!
[12:13] <WaltzingAlong> hellohello: <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[12:13] <mefisto__> I can access my nfs-mounted linux fs, but no access to the remote windows partition, mounted in the remote machine's /media dir. Does the remote windows partition need a separate line in fstab to mount?
[12:13] <epimeth> what's the package[s] I need to install to compile something from source?
[12:13] <WaltzingAlong> mefisto__: each item you want shared through nfs would need its own line
[12:13] <hellohello> WA : yes I'll try this, thanks for your help
[12:13] <WaltzingAlong> build-essential
[12:14] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: cheers
[12:17] <mefisto__> WaltzingAlong: by "each item" do you mean each partition? I've mounted the entire remote fs, so I thought that would include everything inside /media
[12:19] <taylan> hi all
[12:19] <WaltzingAlong> mefisto__: i am not sure. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249889
[12:20] <taylan> hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000
[12:20] <X314Z159> so if i deleted some files from a program, and they dont come back if i uninstall then reinstall, how do i get the program to work again?
[12:20] <Lord_Drachenblut> has anyone upgraded there fiesty system to gutsy from the alternative cd?
[12:21] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: sudo aptitude purge <program>  && sudo aptitude install <program>
[12:22] <drarem> what's that ls_ command that shows the current version of ubuntu that's installed?
[12:22] <WaltzingAlong> drarem: i prefer cat /etc/lsb-release
[12:23] <WaltzingAlong> drarem: there is also lsb_release -a  and cat /etc/issue
[12:23] <drarem> thanks
[12:24] <luigi> vi apre hotmail?
[12:24] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: va bene hotmail in konqueror?
[12:24] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: I'm suposed to type that in somewhere..?
[12:24] <luigi> no neanke in firefox per me
[12:25] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: you could use adept manager too. just request that the package be purged (removed completely)
[12:25] <WaltzingAlong> e in konqueror?
[12:25] <luigi> non lo apre
[12:26] <tysonsw> how do I get my wireless and wire connection tabs back??
[12:26] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: in konsole scrivi ping www.hotmail.com
[12:26] <WaltzingAlong> tysonsw: in network manager? i think you need to remove the eth entries in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:26] <tysonsw> when I rightklicn on knetworkmanager they have disapperad.. hor do I get them back?
[12:26] <luigi> fatto
[12:26] <Greenery> is it normal that on heavy flash site some of the flash overlap or cover the page content?
[12:27] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: purging with adept dident work..
[12:27] <WaltzingAlong> Greenery: different browsers render content differently
[12:27] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: rather, the program isnt back now that i purged it and installed it again
[12:27] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: which package and while file seems to be missing
[12:28] <luigi> e ora?che faccio
[12:28] <Greenery> WaltzingAlong: but both firefox and konqueror render them identically
[12:28] <filemover> hi there Im trying to configure my consol resolutioin and font and Ive managed to add vga=791 to my menu.lst but to get colour i want to use console-setup. I have it installed but everytime I try to run it im told the command can not be found can anyone help thnx
[12:28] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: e come e' successo?
[12:28] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: well.. there are no files that i can find at all.
[12:29] <luigi> cosa è successo?
[12:29] <WaltzingAlong> ah si :D
[12:29] <luigi> esce una cosa tipo questa: 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=27 ttl=52 time=43.4 ms
[12:29] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: it doesnt even have a .whatever folder in the home/user/ folder
[12:29] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: will the entrys that shows signal strengt and name of trhe wireless apper again then?
[12:30] <luigi> e sta andando avanti ankora
[12:30] <WaltzingAlong> tysonsw: iwlist eth1 scanning ?
[12:30] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: ctrl+c
[12:30] <luigi> ok si è fermato
[12:31] <luigi> 45 packets transmitted, 45 received, 0% packet loss, time 224444ms
[12:31] <luigi> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 42.986/44.732/56.050/2.381 ms
[12:32] <WaltzingAlong> si
[12:32] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: yes
[12:32] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: if you have wireless you get a list of routers if you rightklick on knetworkmanager
[12:32] <WaltzingAlong> tysonsw: yes
[12:32] <luigi> infatti mi apre il sito ma nn accedo ai messaggi di posta una volta inserita login e pass
[12:32] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: how do I get them back
[12:33] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: non so perche' non funziona www.hotmail.com a firefox
[12:33] <WaltzingAlong> tysonsw: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file
[12:33] <luigi> ma a te entra?
[12:33] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : I am back.
[12:33] <WaltzingAlong> greetings ;D
[12:34] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: http://pastebin.ca/747815
[12:36] <WaltzingAlong> tysonsw: remove the lines referring to eth0 and eth1.  (or comment them out with # in front)
[12:36] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: so a me funziona. prova ancora
[12:36] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: and then restart knetworkmanager?
[12:36] <WaltzingAlong> tysonsw: yes
[12:37] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : I have added my iptables conf to the paste... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41923/
[12:37] <luigi> ho provato e riprovato ma nn va
[12:39] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: :(
[12:39] <tysonsw> WaltzingAlong: thx aalot
[12:39] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: i really do not know so much about masquerading with iptables
[12:39] <JuJuBee> That is  the NAT stuff as I understand it...
[12:39] <ricercia> does anyone hear know anything about configuring hal?
[12:42] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: so the logs of squid show nothing about denials?
[12:44] <X314Z159> so if purging doesnt work, then I'm pretty much fucked yeah?
[12:44] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: which program?
[12:44] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: purging should remove the package plus its config files
[12:44] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : no.  seems nothing is getting  to squid...
[12:45] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: well.. then installing it should bring everything back again?
[12:45] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: right installing should extract the files and configs from the deb
[12:46] <filemover> can anyone help me with my console-setup problem
[12:48] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: and if it does not?
[12:48] <ardchoille> filemover: What's the problem?
[12:48] <WaltzingAlong> !info console-setup | filemover
[12:48] <ubotu> filemover: console-setup: Setup the font and the keyboard on the console. In component main, is important. Version 1.16ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 441 kB, installed size 1208 kB
[12:49] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : if  I tail -f /var/log/squid/access.log and then try to browse the web from client, I get no messages in squid
[12:49] <filemover> i  have console-setup installed but it wont run
[12:49] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: best to understand how far it got or if any errors were reported. sudo aptitude install <package>
[12:49] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: and i would suspect you should have, at least as far as you wanted that
[12:49] <JuJuBee> Correct...
[12:49] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: and i type that in the run command.. thing?
[12:50] <filemover> i can run console-setup on a debian distro but i cant run it on Kubuntu for some reason
[12:50] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: in konsole, preferably
[12:50] <filemover> I have it installed and reinstalled it to make sure it was up to date
[12:51] <filemover> im looking thruoght the docs and i cant find a thing
[12:52] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: i do not think there is a 'console-setup' program then installed from console-setup package
[12:52] <ardchoille> filemover:  Any error output when you run it from konsole?
[12:53] <filemover> yes
[12:53] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: but you probably just want   the effects of  sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup   anyway
[12:53] <filemover> command cant be found :(
[12:53] <filemover> i tried reconfigure
[12:53] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: okay, now i have done that.. then what?
[12:53] <epimeth> installation of beryl on gutsy is the same for feisty
[12:53] <epimeth> ?
[12:53] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: which let you pick the keyboard you wanted and such?
[12:53] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | epimeth
[12:53] <ubotu> epimeth: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:54] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: or you wanted something else?
[12:54] <filemover> yes
[12:54] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: beryl and compiz have recombined already?
[12:54] <WaltzingAlong> X314Z159: any errors?
[12:54] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: yes
[12:54] <X314Z159> WaltzingAlong: oh. nvm, found it working now. tyvm :)
[12:54] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: shweet
[12:54] <pizzicato> !fglrx
[12:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:54] <filemover> i only want colour
[12:54] <filemover> ive got the resolution fixed with vga=791
[12:55] <filemover> but i used console-setup on debian on a laptop i have and i got colour in links and irssi
[12:56] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : Any other  ideas on what I can check?  I am desparate...I need my classroom up and running.  This all happened after a power outage yesterday...
[12:57] <JuJuBee> Hmmm. after setting the browser on client to the web filter (dansguardian port 8080), I can browse...
[12:58] <JuJuBee> That points to iptables...but the settings are the same as yesterday prior to power outage...
[12:58] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: no not really but seems you are getting closer
[12:58] <WaltzingAlong> yeah i do not know what the power outage would have done, but i suppose just about anything JuJuBee
[12:58] <JuJuBee> Yea, that's the problem...
[13:01] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: hrm... how do I get the cube to work? beryl was easier :-p
[13:02] <jarle> Seems like trying to upgrade to gutsy has messed up my database: trying to start adapt manager: "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem." and I do not seem to have apt-setup installed on my system...
[13:03] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: enable rotate cube?
[13:03] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: where???
[13:03] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: results of sudo aptitude -f install   please to pastebin
[13:04] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: in ccsm? advanced desktop settings
[13:04] <DSlicer> Is it bad when my PC shuts off when the power goes out, considering it's plugged into a UPS
[13:05] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: okay... found it... but I have a plane, not a cube... its flat instead of cubey :-(
[13:05] <WaltzingAlong> epimeth: maybe someone else knows better. i do not use compiz-fusion with kde
[13:06] <TheFuzzball> Does anyone know how to install KDE4 from SVN?
[13:06] <WaltzingAlong> TheFuzzball: you would need to build it from svn
[13:06] <epimeth> WaltzingAlong: yea, I'm asking at their channel... thanks tho
[13:06] <emilsedgh> TheFuzzball: http://techbase.kde.org knows
[13:06] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: http://www.pastebin.ca/747838
[13:07] <TheFuzzball> WaltzingAlong: do you know how I would install it to /usr/lib/kde4 like the Beta 3 packages?
[13:08] <jeroen__> Hi
[13:08] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: Dynamic MMap ran out of room !   add an option to the apt.conf file     kdesu kate /etc/apt/apt.conf       and enter there    APT::Cache-Limit "33554432";           then save the file, try sudo aptitude -f install  again
[13:09] <WaltzingAlong> TheFuzzball: using the prefix i suppose. check http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
[13:09] <jeroen__> I've got a questio. I've heard something about a 3D interface for ubuntu. WHat's true about this?
[13:10]  * emilsedgh hears about going to space by ubuntu
[13:11] <WaltzingAlong> jeroen__: you may be referring to compiz-fusion shipping by default with ubuntu 7.10; try !compiz or #ubuntu or #compiz-fusion
[13:15] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: Does this look safe to do? http://www.pastebin.ca/747844
[13:16] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: ok so you can cancel that, instead running sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[13:16] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: (or first run sudo aptitude -f install and then run sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[13:17] <visit0r> upgrade to gutsy broke my install... it somehow messed up the partitions and cannot mount home
[13:18] <visit0r> device-mapper goes crazy
[13:20] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: What solution do you recon to be the best, I see that "sudo aptitude -f install" would like to remove some of my installed programs...
[13:20] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: maybe I should just go for "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" directly?
[13:21] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: sure
[13:24] <jarle> WaltzingAlong: seems to be working fine so far... thnx!
[13:24] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : folks at #iptables helped me... Turns out ipforwarding was not enabled for some reason...
[13:25] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: strange that it would have got turned off; glad it is working
[13:25] <WaltzingAlong> jarle: great
[13:25] <JuJuBee> Yea, I dont understand  how it got turned off either...
[13:26] <JuJuBee> One more thing to add to my list of things I need to write down for next time... :)
[13:26] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[13:35] <visit0r> apt-get remove evms solved the problem, thanks to google
[13:35] <TimS> !epos
[13:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about epos - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:35] <TimS> !info epos
[13:35] <ubotu> epos: Text-to-speech system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.5.37-5 (gutsy), package size 548 kB, installed size 2368 kB
[13:38] <vti> morning
[13:38] <ScorpKing> afternoon
[13:39] <TimS> evening
[13:39] <vti> Question:  My kde fonts look good.. but how do I change gtk fonts? (too large)
[13:40] <ScorpKing> in kcontrol i think
[13:40] <WaltzingAlong> vti: kmenu/system settings/appearance/gtk styles and fontns
[13:41] <vti> thank you
[13:41] <DaSkreech> Sourceforge sucks :*(
[13:42] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : thanks for your help this morning (morning where I am).
[13:43] <TimS> Ooh the name Kubuntu is up for grabs
[13:44] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: well sure thing. though your own intuition and squid's access log helped too; :p
[13:54] <werty> good morning to room
[13:54]  * Jucato feels the room shift and wave back
[13:55] <werty> if install kubuntu from ubuntu but after a while change my mind can i get rid of ubuntu?
[13:56] <werty> :)
[13:56] <Jucato> yes
[13:56] <werty> how?
[13:56] <Jucato> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php see the Pure KDE and Pure GNOME guides
[13:56]  * genii sips a coffee
[13:57]  * Jucato sips a cup
[13:57]  * Jucato munches it rather
[13:57] <stdin> Jucato: haven't you seen !purekde ?
[13:57] <genii> heh :)
[13:57] <Jucato> ubotu: tell Jucato about purekde
[13:57] <Jucato> bleh
[13:59] <werty> about firefox vs konqueror what do you think/
[13:59] <werty> ?
[13:59] <Jucato> !best | werty
[13:59] <ubotu> werty: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[13:59] <stdin> try both, see what you like
[14:00] <genii> werty: I like Konqueror for a file browser. Firefox not so much
[14:00] <Jucato> my personal opinion would be....
[14:00]  * WaltzingAlong has not thought much of firefox as a file browser either
[14:00] <Jucato> "try both, see what you like" and use what you need or fits your situation
[14:00] <genii> WaltzingAlong: :)
[14:00] <Shapeshifter> How can I get konqueror to remeber my last setup (tree, panes) & location?
[14:00] <Jucato> you definitely haven't tried it on *dows...
[14:00] <Jucato> Shapeshifter: Settings -> Save View Profile
[14:01] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: But it can't just remember the state it had when I closed it last time??
[14:01] <Jucato> well...
[14:01] <Jucato> actually...
[14:02] <Jucato> (it can, but Kubuntu's modification of the Konqueror menus kinda make it difficult to do)
[14:02] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: I'm on gnome, only using Konqueror
[14:03] <ricercia> i tend to find firefox has better site compatibilkty due to it's popularity
[14:03] <Jucato> Shapeshifter: but Kubuntu's Konqueror right?
[14:03] <Lacrymology> kde stopped starting.... I get to the kdm screen, enter username and password and then blackscreen and back to the username-password window again
[14:03] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: Well I'm not sure, I just did apt-get install konqueror and it installed a bunch of dependencies.
[14:03] <vti> I much prefer konqueror to firefox any day.. but yes.. some sites work better in firefox.  there is an "open with firefox" menu item in konqueror if you come across a page like that, but it is pretty rare.
[14:03] <bottiger> If I want to install GIMP 2.4 - should I grap the Debian-package or compile it from the source?
[14:04] <Jucato> Shapeshifter: yep. if you're on Ubuntu, then that;s the case
[14:04] <bottiger> http://next.gimp.org/unix/
[14:04] <bottiger> (ubuntu dosn't have it in their repository yet)
[14:04]  * Jucato would probably compile from source rather than get a package made specifically for Debian....
[14:04] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: So getting a normal Konqueror would be to complicated I guess
[14:05] <[ifr0g]> hi, When i play anything with mplayer i get a blueseen..
[14:06] <Jucato> Shapeshifter: not too complicated: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[14:06] <[ifr0g]> and only can hear the sound.
[14:06] <[ifr0g]> ???
[14:06] <Lacrymology> I notice the nVidia splash screen disapeared but changing the driver to "nv" didn't help
[14:06] <WaltzingAlong> !info gimp | bottiger
[14:06] <ubotu> bottiger: gimp: The GNU Image Manipulation Program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu7 (gutsy), package size 3800 kB, installed size 10476 kB
[14:06] <Lacrymology> anyone?
[14:06] <[ifr0g]> sorry a green scrabled screen
[14:07] <WaltzingAlong> Lacrymology: the nvidia splash screen would work only with the nvidia driver and when the option to not show it is missing
[14:07] <ricercia> Lacrymology: nv is the open-source driver (no splash) if u want to use offical nvidia driver use nvidia
[14:07] <bottiger> WaltzingAlong: yes - that's RC3 - over a month old :)
[14:08] <WaltzingAlong> bottiger: luckily not always is age such a bad thing, otherwise i may be tossed out on the street now, being at least 300 months old
[14:08] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: weird rm: cannot remove `/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror': No such file or directory
[14:09] <Jucato> Shapeshifter: weird indeed....
[14:09] <Shapeshifter> but Konqueror ist still the same. where should I be able to configure that "remember" thing?
[14:09] <Jucato> in the Settings menu -> Save View Change per Folder
[14:09] <bottiger> WaltzingAlong: but you are missing the point :P 2.4 Final is out - I want to test it
[14:10] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: mh, it's greyd out
[14:10] <Jucato> restart Konqueror
[14:10] <WaltzingAlong> bottiger: perhaps build it from source or find an ubuntu specific build (ymmv with the for debian build)
[14:10] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: did so
[14:10] <Jucato> weird...
[14:11] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: mh, now it worked... Had to change the current folder.
[14:13] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: But it's still not working. I mean I would like Konqueror to be the same when I open it as it was when I closed it, say 5 minutes ago, or 4 months. It should just open the location I was last time and the view there. save per folder sounds like it remembers layouts for folders, that's not really what I mean
[14:14] <WaltzingAlong> Shapeshifter: kind of a 'session' to be restored from where you last were, like opera can do or kde with open windows
[14:15] <Shapeshifter> WaltzingAlong: Yes exactly, firefox can do it as well. Even Windows XP can do it with opened windows when it was shutdown ^^
[14:17] <WaltzingAlong> Shapeshifter: i do not know of that feature in konqueror or how to enable it if it is there
[14:21] <Lacrymology> hey, is there any known issues with the last updates? KDE won't start..
[14:22] <Lacrymology> now I've been able to run it in "failsafe" which gives me an x-term and nothing else
[14:22] <adaran> i upgraded to gutsy and my video drivers should be AIGLX enabled. what's the "proper" way to enable desktop effects (compiz fusion?)
[14:24] <carbon_monoxide> hello mates
[14:25] <ScorpKing> in timezones - does UTC = GMT?
[14:25] <jpatrick> yep
[14:25] <ScorpKing> ah ok. ty
[14:26] <carbon_monoxide> does compiz bundled with Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon?
[14:27] <Jucato> !compiz | carbon_monoxide
[14:27] <ubotu> carbon_monoxide: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[14:27] <[ifr0g]> !codecs
[14:27] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[14:27] <Jucato> FAQ #1 strikes again! :)
[14:27] <carbon_monoxide> thx Jucato
[14:28] <carbon_monoxide> anyone is experiencing Compiz on Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon
[14:28] <carbon_monoxide> ?
[14:28] <[ifr0g]> !avi
[14:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[14:28] <eindbaas> Hi! I want to install the newest version of xserver-xorg-video-intel, as the one in feisty-security is not working with my video card, I'm a bit confused as to what sources i should add to sources.list to get the newest release.
[14:29] <werty> where can i find a player for .3gp video files
[14:29] <werty> ?
[14:30] <ScorpKing> werty: vlc plays it but i don't get sound. some phone can be set to record mp4
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy all  :)
[14:30] <werty> i have one w300i..?
[14:30] <ScorpKing> phones*
[14:30] <carbon_monoxide> hey BluesKay
[14:30] <werty> sony ericsson
[14:30] <carbon_monoxide> opps, BluesKaj
[14:30] <[ifr0g]> Why is the extracodecs package missing ?
[14:30] <Kamaz> Hello
[14:31] <BluesKaj> hi carbon_monoxide
[14:31] <Kamaz> I have problems with Kubuntu 7.10 installation on my compaq laptop
[14:31] <BluesKaj> !hi  | Kamaz
[14:31] <ubotu> Kamaz: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[14:32] <ScorpKing> werty: not sure. google around. i have a motorola v360v and it's quite programmeble. ;)
[14:32] <Kamaz> ubotu: thanks :)
[14:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks :) - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Kamaz, state your problem , maybe someone can help ...ubotu is a bot btw
[14:34] <Kamaz> The problem as i think in my brodcom wifi. in the begining of the installation process kubuntu hangs.
[14:34] <ScorpKing> konversation seems to be loafing today. after a little while i get lag and then it just kicks me off. (498ms lag atm) what could cause that?
[14:35] <genii> ScorpKing: Try a tracepath to see if you have some horribly slow servers in between
[14:35] <ScorpKing> will do. ty genii. :D
[14:35] <BluesKaj> !info broadcom
[14:35] <ubotu> Package broadcom does not exist in gutsy
[14:36] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[14:36] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[14:36] <ScorpKing> BluesKaj: bmcXXX module missing for your wireless?
[14:37] <trappist> anybody have a recommendation for a fully pseudo-transparent, borderless console app?
[14:37] <Kamaz> yes, i see something like bmcxxx module missing in the log
[14:38] <trappist> I used to use Eterm and mrxvt, but they're both giving me problems
[14:38] <ScorpKing> Kamaz: what is the missing module called?
[14:39] <Kamaz> let me start installation, i check what exectly happens
[14:39] <ScorpKing> Kamaz: look at this as well - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty
[14:39] <blendtux> anybody tried already the gimp in gutsy gibbon ??
[14:40] <trappist> blendtux: just now, yes
[14:40] <genii> blendtux: Seems to work fine for me.
[14:40]  * ScorpKing is away for now...
[14:41] <blendtux> oke what happes if you do file --> new
[14:41] <Kamaz> how can i run installation not in graphic mode?
[14:41] <genii> Kamaz: Install from the alternate CD
[14:41] <boris_> i have problem upgading kubunt on 7.10
[14:44] <kaminix> Sweet, is this kdelibs4c2a I'm getting via apt the Kopete bugfix going live? :)
[14:47] <Kamaz> when i press 'Esc' in the installation menu (on boot up) it leave graphic mode and display 'boot:' - if it possible to disable installation of wifi module on this step?
[14:50] <posingaspopular> when i click on Adept for updates, I get a 'database locked' error. If I click 'yes' to try and resolve the issue, adept crashes. anyone seen this before
[14:50] <posingaspopular> boris_: you have troubles updating packages or upgrading to 7.10
[14:51] <Jucato> posingaspopular: how are you starting Adept? from the system tray icon? from the menu?
[14:52] <bentob0x> is there features about drivers, safe-mode restart etc on 7.10 that are in ubuntu but not in kubuntu?
[14:53] <bascule> posingaspopular: yeah I've seen it
[14:53] <bascule> !locked
[14:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about locked - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:53] <bascule> !adept
[14:53] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[14:54] <Jucato> !aptlock
[14:54] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[14:54] <bascule> thanks Jucato
[14:54]  * Jucato is more interested in the error though...
[14:54] <posingaspopular> Jucato: from the ... task bar? the one at the bottom.
[14:54] <n8k99> bentob0x:  they have gnome
[14:54] <Jucato> posingaspopular: ah system tray icon
[14:55] <bentob0x> yes but what about that safe-mode restart when your drivers aren't proprely setup?  Is that gnome-specific or simply a new feature in the distro?
[14:56] <posingaspopular> Jucato: thanks, i'll play around with this after the biggie
[14:56] <bascule> bentob0x: it's a feature that has been in *nix systems for ages, ubuntu just made it a boot manager option
[14:56] <Jucato> !aptlock | posingaspopular
[14:56] <ubotu> posingaspopular: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[14:56] <Jucato> posingaspopular: although I'm quite interested because that option to resolve the problem is new
[14:56] <Jucato> that popup I mean
[14:58] <posingaspopular> okay coolthanksbye
[14:58] <bentob0x> k thx bascule and n8k99
[14:58] <Kamaz> genii: look, in installation process i have error: bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed. and installation stops. is it possible to add some istallation parameter that can bypass the broadcom driver installation>
[15:00] <kroynos> is there a tutorial on making your desktop into a Cube. right now i can just turn my desktop into a 360 degree turn
[15:02] <jerbear> can someone direct me to a fully compatible sound card? my audigy card is giving me headaches trying to make it work with kmix
[15:02] <arash> kroynos, that sounds like beryl related...
[15:03] <ScorpKing> Kamaz: how to fix it is in that link i gave you.
[15:03] <kroynos> beryl and compiz has merged
[15:04] <ScorpKing> Kamaz: i have the same card btw.
[15:04] <luigi> riuscite a vedere le web cam in internet?
[15:05] <arash> kroynos , havec you checked !effects ?
[15:06] <kroynos> you know arash you are right let me look there
[15:07] <luigi>  riuscite a vedere le web cam in internet?
[15:07] <arash> luigi , what language do you speak?
[15:07] <arash> !sp
[15:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:07] <arash> !it
[15:07] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[15:07] <luigi> italian
[15:08] <Jucato> !it | luigi
[15:08] <ubotu> luigi: please see above
[15:09] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: miscusi ma aqui parliamo inglese
[15:10] <genii> Kamaz: This is during Gutsy install it chokes on no bcm43xx firmware?
[15:12] <hellohello>  Cheers everyone !
[15:14] <WaltzingAlong> !hi
[15:14] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[15:15] <ScorpKing> g2g. cheers ppl. bbl
[15:16] <luigi__22> ciao
[15:16] <luigi__22> vi apre http://www.livejasmin.com/freechat.php?performerid=asianSexSiren&tags=girl+age_18_22
[15:16] <luigi__22> ?
[15:17] <Jucato> !it | luigi__22
[15:17] <ubotu> luigi__22: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[15:17] <evil-rhino> hi...er...so i've been running gutsy for a few weeks now. i just updated adept-manager, and it announced to me that there is a new distribution, and it launched the update tool... what gives??
[15:17] <Jucato> do not spam, and no illegal/illicit things
[15:17] <Jucato> evil-rhino: known bug
[15:18] <evil-rhino> oh, ok, it freaked me out :) should've checked i suppose.
[15:18] <WaltzingAlong> evil-rhino: fixed in gutsy-proposed (pre-release) if you wish to enable it. otherwise, ignore for now
[15:19] <evil-rhino> thanks WaltzingAlong, Jucato.
[15:21] <xsacha> hi. i was wondering if there is some meta-package for building packages in kubuntu? like there is build-essentials for compiling. looking for something that contains debhelper, dpkg-dev and all that
[15:22] <genii> Kamaz: If not an install but on a running system already, you can boot to Recovery, do: ndiswrapper -l     to list the modules it knows about, then ndiswrapper -e <drivername>   and then do a reboot to normal kernel
[15:23] <Jucato> xsacha: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[15:23] <Jucato> xsacha: you might want to look at the logs of yesterday's Open Week too
[15:23] <xsacha> thanks Jucato
[15:24] <Hamra> is there any better compression and archiving tool than ARK? something with more features like WinRAR?
[15:24] <xsacha> tar ?
[15:25] <Jucato> Hamra: you can probably use rar on the command line for those more features...
[15:25] <Vermux> who can help with installing codecs?
[15:25] <Hamra> preferably with a GUI
[15:25] <Jucato> sucky as it is, Ark is probably the best around...
[15:25] <xsacha> doesnt ark use tar?
[15:25] <Jucato> it uses many backends
[15:25] <elite_101> hey
[15:26] <xsacha> it should be fine
[15:26] <Vermux> Jucato: http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/feisty-seveas/all/
[15:26] <Jucato> Vermux: ?
[15:26] <Vermux> have no idea what to do next
[15:27] <Vermux> Jucato: I have no idea what to do next, how do I install the codecs?
[15:28] <poison--> !codecs
[15:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[15:28] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[15:28] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[15:28] <genii> Vermux: Did you just add that seveas repo to your sources.list?
[15:28] <Jucato> Vermux: the instructions should be thre
[15:28] <werty> i want to add to the windows default button for start.. the kde's start is that possible?
[15:28] <genii> Jucato: Ah, nice :)
[15:28] <Vermux> Jucato: where? I want to install w32codecs
[15:28] <genii> !helpersnack | jucato
[15:28] <ubotu> jucato: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[15:28] <Jucato> !w32codecs | Vermux
[15:28] <ubotu> Vermux: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[15:28] <poison--> lmao
[15:29] <Jucato> genii: thanks. but I said, "should be"... not really sure that it is :P
[15:29] <Jucato> there
[15:29] <werty> ?
[15:29] <poison--> ntfs support on gutsy rocks
[15:29] <Jucato> werty: I forgot how, but it is possible. but with a big disadvantage
[15:30] <Yammeh> It worked on feisty the same, didn't it?
[15:30] <root__> good day
[15:30] <root__> name CYREX
[15:30] <werty> jucato:disadvantage?
[15:30] <Jucato> CYREX: you're still root, and shouldn't go online as root :D
[15:30] <CYREX> yeah i know
[15:30] <CYREX> wanted to ask some things
[15:31] <Vermux> genii: how do I add them to the sources list?
[15:31] <Jucato> werty: you see, right now, Linux/KDE treats the Win key as a modifier key, just like Ctrl and Alt. you can use it with any regular key or with another modifier key and another regular key.
[15:31] <Jucato> werty: meaning, you can use Win+A-Z,1-3, etc
[15:31] <tysonsw> Hello
[15:31] <tysonsw> How can I start emerald?
[15:32] <werty> oh i see ..ok
[15:32] <werty> jucato:ok :)
[15:32] <Jucato> werty: but if you so choose to just bind the Win key to just launch the menu, that Win key  will be used for that purpose only. just Win, no Win+something
[15:32] <Jucato> werty: but I'm not 100% sure, there might be a way to still have both of best worlds...you'll just have to google for it :P
[15:33] <werty> jucato:i guess i'll stick with the default way
[15:33] <jerbear> is there any alternative to kmix? it doesn't seem to like my card
[15:33] <Jucato> werty: btw, have you tried Katapult?
[15:33] <genii> Vermux: You open the file /etc/apt/sources.list with admin privelege so you can save it. Usually alt-f2 then kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list   works for this. then you add ad the bottom of the file a line with deb followed by the url you want to add as a repository. then you save it. then you open your package manager and it should update the list and give you options to install whatever is in the new repo as well as the ones you
[15:33] <genii> already had.
[15:33] <tysonsw> How can I start emerald?
[15:33] <werty> not yet..
[15:34] <Jucato> werty: press Alt+Space now. then type in a name of an app
[15:34] <Yammeh> How do I use grep to retrieve everything that isn't what I state?
[15:34] <CYREX> about wifi, i have 3 wifi here that all have same problem, i checked the forums for both ubuntu and kubuntu and did i think 4 tutorials about how some people got their wifi working, i had no luck, my wifi cards are an Advantek Network Card with Chipset RTL8185l, a CNET CWP-854 with chipset rt2561st and a NEXXT wifi card with chipset 88w8335. Another problem is that i cant have any wifi installed on the computer with using the livecd to install kubuntu because
[15:34] <CYREX> it will get freeze before running the kde
[15:34] <Jucato> Yammeh: grep -v "pattern"
[15:34] <Yammeh> thanks :)
[15:35] <werty> jucato:i showed the logo of kutapelt but no field to fullfill..
[15:35] <genii> vermux: So in your case you want to add:  deb http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/feisty-seveas feisty-seveas all
[15:35] <tysonsw> How can I start emerald?
[15:35] <Jucato> werty: just start typing. there's no field to type in
[15:35] <genii> tyson: alt-f2 then: emerald --replace
[15:36] <MGTech> Hi all, I have a little problem with grub. When I try to boot my new Kubuntu system "GRUB" is written on the screen after startup, but i don't get in the menu.
[15:39] <Vermux> genii: it doesnt say "seveas all in the example, r u sure?
[15:39] <genii> Vermux: 1 moment and I'll copy/paste it from my own sources.list
[15:40] <xsacha> Jucato: what am i missing? http://pastebin.ca/748000
[15:40] <genii> Vermux: i'm using one of the seveas mirrors, the url is different, but:  deb http://seveas.theplayboymansion.net/seveas feisty-seveas all
[15:40] <Jucato> xsacha: what command did you use?
[15:41] <xsacha> sudo bash ati-driver-installer-8.42.3-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/7.10
[15:41] <Jucato> xsacha: oh that I don't know :(
[15:42] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: bash ./ati
[15:42] <xsacha> that makes a difference?
[15:42] <xsacha> nup
[15:42] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: na it was already running (just looked at the post now)
[15:42] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: otherwise you could use fakeroot perhaps
[15:43] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: sudo gnome-terminal and run whole thing in that?
[15:44] <xsacha> still get the permission denied in a sudo konsole
[15:45] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: no. have you done this before? you probably need a few packages: module-assistant build-essential debhelper debconf dh-make fakeroot libstdc++5 linux-headers-generic
[15:45] <xsacha> naah havent messed with packages before
[15:45] <xsacha> building them
[15:45] <genii> Vermux: As a sidenote... the deb part tells it that site has packages in debian format, then the url is self explanatory. the part after the url is the distribution you want files for. the third pard is what specific part of the repo to look in
[15:45] <Vermux> genii: no what to I do in order to watch embeded videos in web sites?
[15:46] <Vermux> genii: thanks for the elaboration
[15:46] <genii> Vermux: Depends on the video format.
[15:46] <Jucato> xsacha: not sure if that's the best way to make .deb packages. if you need more help, try #ubuntu-motu
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> Jucato: running the ati bin to build packages
[15:47] <xsacha> is there an alternative?
[15:47] <Vermux> genii: WMA or windows media player firefox plugin
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: just use the one available in the ubuntu repositories
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> !ati | xsacha
[15:47] <ubotu> xsacha: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:47] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: oh it's in repos already? ok
[15:47] <Vermux> genii: CUPlayer.xpi
[15:48] <genii> Vermux: Thats a firefox plugin
[15:48] <Vermux> genii: I c that I have the w32 codects already installed, but still I cant watch videos
[15:48] <WaltzingAlong> !info mozilla-mplayer
[15:48] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.40-5ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 505 kB, installed size 1760 kB
[15:48] <genii> Vermux: WaltzingAlong just gave you a good lead
[15:49] <[ifr0g]> When mplaying an avi i get a green screen and this ---> http://pastebin.com/m355b157f                           ...HELP !!
[15:49] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: mmm the repo says 8.37
[15:49] <BluesKaj> Vermux, flashplugin-nonfree
[15:49] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: yeah may not be lastest
[15:49] <genii> work, Away From Keyboard a few minutes
[15:50] <xsacha> just need this specific version: 8.42
[15:50] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: then you may wish to use the ati bin to build a deb package as you were doing
[15:51] <xsacha> ok and that error?
[15:51] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: it may be that you need the devtools i mentioned
[15:51] <Vermux> genii: mozilla mplayer is not in the lsit
[15:51] <xsacha> i have the ones you listed. when i used fakeroot, it told me: fakeroot: nested operation not yet supported
[15:52] <WaltzingAlong> !ati | xsacha, explains how to install via the repos or build your own from the ati bin download
[15:52] <ubotu> xsacha, explains how to install via the repos or build your own from the ati bin download: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:52] <taylan> hi all
[15:53] <Vermux> BluesKaj: I have it installed already
[15:53] <taylan> I am using kubnutu(gutsy) I created A new EXT3 partition(dev/sdb4) and I could not access
[15:54] <WaltzingAlong> taylan: continue. what have you tried? how did you create it?
[15:54] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: i followed those instructions... then i came here
[15:55] <taylan> I used gparted live cd and resized the native ext3 partition.
[15:55] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: which command did you use with fakeroot?
[15:55] <xsacha> same one without the sudo and bash but with a ./ instead
[15:56] <contrast83> Anyone know if Checkinstall can make a package for something that uses setup.py to install rather than make install?
[15:57] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: and you had the same error?
[15:58] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: no, i got: fakeroot: nested operation not yet supported
[15:59] <WaltzingAlong> ok and without fakeroot and without sudo? xsacha
[16:00] <qrawl> Amarok wont load anymore.  anyone have any ideas how to fix it
[16:00] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: same error
[16:03] <genii> Vermux: in konsole:    sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer           then in Firefox, extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/446
[16:03]  * genii sips a coffee
[16:04] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: i do not know but it is not a kubuntu specific issue.
[16:04] <xsacha> hmm ok, debian too?
[16:04] <cyrex> ok i downloaded the new cnew wifi drivers and am ok now
[16:05] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: perhaps you could check http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[16:05] <bottiger> hmm - I upgraded to gutsy, and now my K-menu is dead :) any suggestions?
[16:05] <cyrex> where can i post for people that might have the cnet wifi card so they too can fix it
[16:05] <carbon_monoxide> !codec
[16:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[16:05] <genii> bottiger: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kicker
[16:06] <xsacha> mmm i give up
[16:06] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: that page i just sent walks you through it
[16:06] <bottiger> genii: hmm - okey. But appart from the K-menu doesn't show up when I click the K, kicker works fine
[16:06] <genii> cyrex: Perhaps on the ubuntu wiki
[16:06] <xsacha> and it still doesnt work
[16:07] <genii> bottiger: You could delete the ~/.kde  dir and it will re-create with default values next load
[16:07] <WaltzingAlong> in a way i am glad, it becomes a learning opportunity; so you followed the instructions at http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[16:07] <xsacha> thats the exact same method i used. same way as other page you gave me before too
[16:08] <bottiger> genii: my whole .kde? no way, then I rather live without the K-menu :P
[16:08] <cyrex> i though the ubuntu wiki was private?
[16:08] <xsacha> install the building packages and then run the --buildpkg option on the binary. same deal
[16:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> bottiger: you missed the last part - it will re-create with default values :)
[16:08] <bottiger> Daisuke_Laptop: I didn't miss that part:)
[16:08] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: i guess my point is just that this a known working solution
[16:09] <genii> bottiger: LOL, well, it's an option. I'd try the kicker reinstall first tho
[16:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah, then a lot of custom configuration :)
[16:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> there was a repo for commercial software (opera, skype, etc)...  does it not exist for gutsy (yet)?
[16:11] <xsacha> thats the only way to install it. i have a stock gutsy clean install. guess im stuffed
[16:11] <xsacha> <-- given up :P
[16:11] <bottiger> genii: well - reinstalling it did the trick :)
[16:11] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: also you can just have the installer install it rather than making a package
[16:12] <xsacha> well yeah but i think i'll be uninstalling it -- not sure yet
[16:12] <genii> bottiger: good
[16:12] <WaltzingAlong> first reaction: system is broken (fault of others); after some realization later: oops, guess i typed it wrong (ie my fault)
[16:12] <xsacha> copy/paste ftw
[16:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> WaltzingAlong: that seems to be a common train of thought for new linux users :)
[16:13] <genii> bottiger: There is a manual way also, described here: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2552525
[16:13] <genii> Just for general info
[16:13] <WaltzingAlong> Daisuke_Laptop: in my experience is it more general than just new gnu/linux users
[16:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> the reason i say new is that an experienced user generally doesn't blame others for a broken system, knowing it's likely something he did
[16:14] <xsacha> WaltzingAlong: is it hard to uninstall if i dont use a package. or.. can i risk it?
[16:15] <WaltzingAlong> xsacha: then the package managers cannot help you, sure; though certainly it is possible to remove; about risking it, you were the one wanting v8.42 rather than the repos 8.37
[16:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm guessing this is about ati drivers?
[16:16] <xsacha> the repos 8.37 doesnt work for me
[16:16] <cyrex> where can i get this repos you are talking about
[16:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> !repos
[16:17] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[16:17] <Vermux> genii: xine doesnt work fine with the wma, neither firefox plugin to watch web site video.
[16:17] <jjj__> can i install kubuntu on fat32?
[16:17] <xsacha> the reason i wanted the package was so i could easily have a sneak peak at 8.42.. see if it fixes my problem. if not, go back to radeon
[16:18] <genii> Vermux: You need the proper codecs for the player to use.
[16:18] <WaltzingAlong> !w32codecs
[16:18] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[16:18] <skysee> Bonjour
[16:18] <jjj__> can i install kubuntu on fat32?
[16:19] <stamen> hi, I have 2 questions
[16:19] <ice9__> trying to upgade to 7.10 using adept manager but the software sources window doesn't come up
[16:19] <skysee> Ya t'il une personne parlant francais pour résoudre mon problème
[16:19] <stamen> 1. Why I can't change my login manager?
[16:19] <ice9__> am I missing something
[16:19] <Asteron> je parle un peu de francais
[16:20] <xsacha> i guess ill wait for a distro's livecd that includes 8.42 or something
[16:20] <Vermux> genii: xine doesnt work well. the mosue operation stuck
[16:20] <Jucato> !fr | Asteron
[16:20] <ubotu> Asteron: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[16:20] <stamen> When I tryed to change it it ugl with logo of KDE
[16:20] <Jucato> ice9__: please install software-properties-kde
[16:20] <stamen> and now I can't restore it
[16:20] <jjj__> !ph
[16:20] <ubotu> Join #ubuntu-ph for tagalog
[16:20] <stamen> 2. Why after trying to aply version upgrade from adept, the upgrader crashesh every time
[16:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> why are people so impatient about getting the latest unstable bleeding edge ati driver?
[16:21] <ackbahr> Hi! Feisty Fawn here. When I unplug my laptop from its power source, it sometimes goes to "suspend"; no setting specifies this, and I don't want it of course! Could someone help me?
[16:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> they will hit the repos, be patient.
[16:21] <genii> Vermux: About xine I don't know, i do not use it much. But usually each player needs it's own codec pack etc.
[16:21] <Jucato> !openweek
[16:21] <ubotu> openweek is Ubuntu is hosting a series of introductory sessions for people who want to join the Ubuntu community, which all takes place in a week. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek for schedules, logs, and instructions.
[16:23] <boyet> gudday guys need help for my kopete is there any available help for my webcam?
[16:23] <mikkael> is qtcurve from the repos broken for gutsy ?
[16:23] <mikkael> boyet, whats your cam ?
[16:24] <boyet> at4
[16:24] <boyet> a4t
[16:24] <carbon_monoxide> !real
[16:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[16:24] <genii> Vermux: You could try installing package libxine-extracodecs
[16:25] <genii> Jucato: i hear Shuttleworth is going to be in #ubuntu-classroom in a little while for open Q&A
[16:25] <Jucato> he will be
[16:25] <genii> Cool
[16:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> neat
[16:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> hope i'm around for that one
[16:26] <Jucato> please see the rules in the OpenWeek wiki if you want to join.thanks
[16:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> Jucato: been there for a couple sessions already :)
[16:27] <Jucato> Daisuke_Laptop: that wasn't for you
[16:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh
a4tech i hav switch to this ch maybe some easy help is available though i found it from ubuntu but cannot compile yet
[16:27] <poison--> hi guys
[16:28] <poison--> any ideas why my numeric keyboard stop working?
[16:28] <jjj__> press numlock and youll be fine...
[16:28] <mikkael> boyet: ive never heard of that cam, so it doesnt work out-of-the box with kopete ?
[16:28] <kroynos> what is a <super> in compiz termology
[16:29] <harald_> hmm could it be subversion was compiled without ssl support? :-/
 previously it works but when i reformatted my hard disk doing dual boot it never now..though it detected it has power
[16:30] <Yammeh> 79.95 euro
[16:30] <Yammeh> 114usd
[16:30] <Yammeh> oops sorry wrong channel
[16:30] <mikkael> boyet: the spca5xx driver should work for this cam
[16:31] <mikkael> boyet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCamerasA4Tech
[16:31] <Vermux> how do I update xine?
[16:31] <boyet> <mikkael of course but the problem is im new in ubuntu and is there any .deb for this driver?
[16:31] <mikkael> boyet: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Spca5xx
[16:32] <jjj__> !ch
[16:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:32] <jjj__> !jp
[16:32] <ubotu> 日本語の場合は #ubuntu-jp または #kubuntu-jp を参照して下さい
maybe ill try it first then ill be back for some more questions tnx very much
[16:35] <phiras> How can I enable 3d desktop effects on my Gusty Kubuntu ?
[16:37] <ice9__> trying to upgade to 7.10 using adept manager but the software sources window doesn't come up
[16:37] <ice9__> am i missing something
[16:39] <ice9__> anyone
[16:39] <wezza> hi, somehow I have a DNS problem, I've use madwifi/wpasupplicant and i can ping google, but i cant browse?
[16:40] <sam64> !number
[16:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about number - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:41] <sam64> how do you make multi didget numbers come after single didgets?
[16:42] <xsacha> huh?
[16:42] <sam64> in file browsing I mean
[16:42] <sam64> by default 10 comes before 01
[16:43] <xsacha> 0 is a large number
[16:43] <sam64> actually no, 10 will come before 1, but 01. I could change that, but I have a list that goes into the hundrens
[16:44] <sam64> sorry for my bad spelling, I am American =P
[16:46] <sam64> I can make all my music have 2 didgets, but I have a very long list of chord sheets, and I dont want to have [002]
[16:46] <benoyst> hello guys
[16:46] <MGalaxy> hello, what is differnece between normal Kubuntu and ALTERNATE Kubuntu ?
[16:47] <sam64> I remember setting it to order them like that back in breezy though
[16:47] <sam64> MGalaxy: I chose alternate assuming it was a live cd
[16:47] <Jucato> MGalaxy: "normal" Kubuntu = Desktop CD is a Live CD + basic graphical installer
[16:48] <Jucato> Alternate Install CD = text based installer with more options (no live cd)
[16:48] <sam64> maybe it wasnt alternate I took then
[16:48] <sam64> I thought it was :\
[16:49] <MGalaxy> thx all
[16:52] <carbon_monoxide> !real
[16:52] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[16:54] <atlfalcons866> is kde4 going to be in hardy
[16:54] <Jucato> no
[16:54] <atlfalcons866> why
[16:54] <atlfalcons866> kde4 will be released in december
[16:54] <xsacha> have you had a look at kde4?
[16:54] <Jucato> because hardy is an LTS release. we will be using super stable software
[16:55] <atlfalcons866> =(
[16:55] <xsacha> it's not the sort of thing they want in a long term ubuntu
[16:55] <xsacha> maybe 4.1 or 4.2 will be better
[16:55] <Jucato> kde 4.0 does not promise to meet that requirement.
[16:55] <atlfalcons866> then why is the latest gnome in every new release
[16:55] <xsacha> it'll definitely be in the repos though (as it is in kubuntu gutsy). and you can run it is a nested x server if you want to test it before taking the plunge
[16:56] <Jucato> atlfalcons866: you're comparing a jump from GNOME 2.18 to 2.20 to a jump from KDE 3.5.8 to KDE 4.0
[16:56] <xsacha> atlfalcons866: the newest kde is also in every new release. i.e. 3.5.7 3.5.8 ...
[16:56] <Jucato> kinda big jump
[16:56] <atlfalcons866> I dont want to risk breaking my kubuntu install and waiting 4 hours to upgrade from edgy to feisty to gutsy
[16:56] <ubuntu__> espanha??
[16:56] <xsacha> also, when gnome 3.0 is released. it would probably be 10x stabler in alpha than kde4 is right now in beta 3
[16:56] <Jucato> !es | ubuntu__
[16:56] <ubotu> ubuntu__: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[16:57] <atlfalcons866> gnome is annoying and too simple
[16:57] <sam64> you cant do anything in gnome.. its like clay vs a rock
[16:58] <atlfalcons866> is 512mb ram enough to run kde4
[16:58] <xsacha> atlfalcons866: yes
[16:58] <Jucato> sure. but not right now
[16:58] <xsacha> oh, well, right now it has all the debug code to slow it down.
[16:58] <Jucato> most builds are built w/ debugging info (making it slower)
[16:58] <atlfalcons866> is that still a lot these days
[16:59] <xsacha> 512 is still a lot in linux
[16:59] <atlfalcons866> in windows vista its like having 32mb ram
[17:00] <xsacha> atlfalcons866: kde4 is meant to use less RAM than kde3 (because Qt4 is less of a memory hog?). not sure how it will turn out though
[17:00] <atlfalcons866> ok
[17:00] <xsacha> wont know until release. (if they remove debug code for release ;) they might want to leave it in)
[17:01] <atlfalcons866> i love how kubuntu is released twice a year windows only gets new releases twice a year
[17:01] <Riddell> ** Ask Mark (Shuttleworth) now for Ubuntu Open Week in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:02] <jarle> trying to boot after upgrade to gutsy I keep getting a lot of "device-mapper: table: 254:4: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed." This keeps scrolling over the screen in all my tty's!
[17:02] <xsacha> twice a year? cool
[17:02] <atlfalcons866> i meant windows gets 2 new releases twice a decade
[17:02] <xsacha> as in xp,vista,7 or xp,server,server,vista,server,server,7?
[17:02] <sam64> actually it does get small update about twice a year
[17:02] <xsacha> there's big gap between releases for xp and vista
[17:02] <jarle> I had to boot into failsafe and can't start firefox to google for a solution so please anybody help me...
[17:03] <xsacha> oh you mean SPs
[17:03] <atlfalcons866> jarle: in failsafe mode you cant run graphical programs
[17:03] <sam64> no - service packs get released about every 2 years
[17:04] <sam64> and usually do more bad than good
[17:04] <jarle> atlfalcon: I succeeded in starting xchat..
[17:05] <brauerle> Are there any known problems on upgrading from feisty to gutsy gibbon?
[17:05]  * jarle has run into several...
[17:06] <BluesKaj> brauerle, depends on your graphics card as one example
[17:06] <sinusoidale> ciao :)
[17:07] <amigrave> when I try to upgrade to feisty via "Version Upgrade" I follow instructions to a dialog box where I can click on "Start Upgrade" button. THen the dialog box closes and nothing happens after that. Is there a logfile somewhere so I can check why it fails to upgrade ?
[17:07] <BluesKaj> brauerle, my ati card doesn't do google earth as well as it did on feisty
[17:07] <poison----> !dvd
[17:07] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[17:08] <brauerle> BluesKaj: but KDE works furthermore?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> brauerle, KDE works fine, yes
[17:09] <brauerle> Whats the better way for dist-upgrade? apt-get or aptitude?
[17:10] <brauerle> or adept?
[17:11] <poison----> !Medibuntu
[17:11] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[17:11] <patrick_> hallo jemand da der deutsch spricht ???
[17:11] <BluesKaj> adept should work ok , depends on your repos
[17:11] <brauerle> BluesKaj: Well, I use the standard repos, so I only have to replace feisty with gutsy in sources.list?
[17:12] <patrick_> GERMAN ???
[17:12] <brauerle> patrick_: hier
[17:12] <Jucato> !de | patrick_
[17:12] <ubotu> patrick_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:13] <BluesKaj> brauerle, adept will do that by default, AFAIK if you use the dist-upgrade option
[17:13] <patrick_> hab gerade große kopfschmerzen kann mir jemand helfen ? Kann nicht auf NTFS PArtitionen zugreifen..
[17:13] <BluesKaj> !de | patrick_
[17:13] <ubotu> patrick_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:13] <vbgunz> anyone know what could prevent some contacts in an ldif file from being imported into kontact?
[17:13] <brauerle> BluesKaj: thx
[17:14] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, I got that same error , but it still imported the file ...check the address book again
[17:14] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: I did, I do not see some contacts. i exported these contacts from thunderbird :/
[17:16] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, import the t-bird addressbook to your /home/usr file first then into kmail from there
[17:16] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: not sure what you mean there :(
[17:17] <vbgunz> I exported my thunderbird contacts to my desktop
[17:17] <vbgunz> I then imported the ldif file thunderbird made into kontact
[17:18] <vbgunz> kontact got a bunch of imports but I do not see some contacts... some are just not getting imported :/
[17:18] <vbgunz> if they're there, I am not seeing them :|
[17:19] <nico_> hello
[17:20] <stamen> hi
[17:20] <stamen> is it normal to be so buggy the log in manager in 7.10?
[17:21] <stamen> I have changed the theme with kdmtheme and now the log in is by default (with the KDE logo)
[17:21] <stamen> without background
[17:21] <mefisto__> vbgunz: look at the ldif file and see if there's anything about the missing contacts that is different. eg are there some blank fields in the missing contacts
[17:21] <stamen> how to fix it
[17:22] <edenbeast> #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:22] <edenbeast> oops sorry :-/
[17:22] <vbgunz> mefisto__: yeah, I checked out the ldif, don't see nothing unusual, will check again
[17:24] <vbgunz> yeah, I cannot figure it out :(
[17:24] <mefisto__> is it a specific thunderbird import, or generic ldif import?
[17:25] <poison----> i guet image corruption while playing dvds or mpeg
[17:25] <vbgunz> mefisto__: I exported directly from thunderbird
[17:26] <Zigonick> I got Kubuntu and the Ubuntu install cd, is there a way to get all the apps off the ubuntu cd installed? Seems like it comes with more (IE Firefox, as am on dailup so downloading all them apps would be really slow)
[17:26] <mefisto__> vbgunz: yes but is the import specially for thunderbird addressbook, or any ldif?
[17:26] <RCG1984> hello all, I need some sort of http plugin inorder to run shoutcast streams on any media client.  Does anyone know what plugin the programs are refering too?
[17:27] <taylan> Hi all I have kubuntu gutsy and I am looking for a partion imaging tool do you know a program with a gui
[17:27] <vbgunz> mefisto__: not sure. the thunderbird file that was exported is in ldif format. thunderbird doesn't offer any more options that that :(
[17:27] <vbgunz> and kontact cannot import directly from thunderbird format
[17:28] <mefisto__> vbgunz: so contact has a "import ldif" or "import thunderbird ldif" ?
[17:28] <RCG1984> taylan: take a look at QTparted
[17:28] <taylan> thx
[17:28] <RCG1984> n/p
[17:29] <vbgunz> mefisto__: kontact has nothing to do with thunderbird. ldif and several other formats but nothing thunderbird... ant thunderbird offers no option to export in any format except for ldif
[17:30] <vbgunz> looking at the raw ldif file, i can see nothing wrong with the contacts that were not imported
[17:30] <mefisto__> vbgunz: I think thunderbird also exports .csv and .txt formats
[17:31] <brauerle> when apt donloads packages and unzips them - to which folder will these packages been unzipped? Is it /tmp?
[17:31] <BluesKaj> vbgunz,  ldif works on kmail
[17:31] <vbgunz> this is the latest contact as per gutsy
[17:31] <vbgunz> kontact*
[17:32] <vbgunz> thunderbird addressbook offers no options to export in any other format :(
[17:32] <mefisto__> vbgunz: mine does .csv and .txt as well as .ldif
[17:32] <ksivaji> brauerle /var/cache/apt/archives/
[17:33] <Jucato> brauerle: I don't think it unzips them to tmp
[17:33] <vbgunz> mefisto__: you're right, I missed that
[17:33] <ksivaji> Jucato hi
[17:33] <Jucato> hi
[17:33] <vbgunz> mefisto__: I'll try csv
[17:33] <Jucato> they are installed directly to the directories
[17:36] <vbgunz> damn... csv sucks
[17:37] <BluesKaj> I don't get it vbgunz ? ...I was able to import the t-bird addressbook file as a ldif option
[17:38] <vbgunz> me too... some contacts just did not get imported
[17:38] <vbgunz> although I see them in the ldif file
[17:39] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, have you tried exporting the file to your/home file then importing from there to kontact/kmail
[17:39] <vbgunz> I exported to ~/Desktop
[17:40] <vbgunz> am currently mapping the csv file
[17:47] <vbgunz> I think I got it. the contacts that did not import, were contacts that only had an email address. nothing else.
[17:48] <atlfalcons866> is there a faster filesystem than ext3?
[17:49] <fkm> Is here someone who _likes_ Dolphin?
[17:50] <fkm> And I'm talking about the Dolphin from Kubuntu Gutsy. Not the one from KDE4!
[17:50] <atlfalcons866> fkm: dolphin is buggy
[17:51] <fkm> That may be. But after googlin' I couldn't find someone posting who actually likes and uses Dolphin. Just people who say that there are people who like it...
[17:51] <atlfalcons866> konqueror is way better atm
[17:51] <mefisto__> I like dolphin
[17:51] <fkm> So I'm eager to find someone who actually likes Dolphin
[17:51] <Firetech> hmm. When I hold my mouse over the clock in kicker (with "mouse over effects" enabled), kicker suddenly starts to use 100% CPU and doesn't update the "tool tip", which it did before. (also, kicker updates begin to lag a bit.) Only me? What can be the cause?
[17:51] <fkm> That's a start :D mefisto__, Do you use Dolphin from Gutsy or KDE4?
[17:52] <CapaH> Question, I am now running -- apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (from ubuntu) --- my question is, does Kubuntu have Compiz enabled by default or is there additional setup I have to do?
[17:52] <mefisto__> fkm: I'm still using feisty. I'm using d3lphin atm, slightly improved dolphin
[17:52] <fkm> Firetech, I don't have this problem here on Kubuntu Feisty. Give me a minute and I'll tell you how it's behaving on the Laptop with Kubuntu Gutsy
[17:53] <fkm> mefisto__, Ok. I'll give d3lphin a try :) Thank you :)
[17:54] <mefisto__> fkm: it's not that different. It has 2 sidebars, and is a little less buggy
[17:54] <Firetech> fkm: I've got two computers with gutsy, haven't tried/noticed it on the other one. However, in feisty and before, all it did on this computer was to increase the CPU usage a little bit (it's a bad computer)...
[17:55] <fkm> mefisto__, Well.  I don't run Compiz, and all the other tool tips animate fine.
[17:57] <vbgunz> this is quite frustrating. konqueror cannot find http://vim.org but it can find http://www.vim.org
[17:57] <vbgunz> why?
[17:57] <coreymon77> vbgunz: why not use firefox?
[17:57] <fabio_elio_tonti> thanks
[17:57] <fabio_elio_tonti> I know
[17:57] <Firetech> vbgunz: that's why I use Firefox/Vimperator ;)
[17:57] <fabio_elio_tonti> but you know what I mean
[17:57] <fkm> Firetech, I got no idea, sorry. But if I stumble upon a solution. I'll let you know
[17:58] <Firetech> fkm: thanks :)
[17:58] <fabio_elio_tonti> so I've heard that ubuntu's got a gui to configure xorg.conf (especially for dual screens)
[17:58] <vbgunz> coreymon77: I don't know. I do use it for things like the web developer toolbar and firebug but other than that, I use konqueror
[17:58] <vbgunz> Firetech: vimperator?
[17:58] <fabio_elio_tonti> does that work with kubuntu too?
[17:58] <Firetech> vbgunz: http://vimperator.mozdev.org
[17:59] <fabio_elio_tonti> anyone?
[17:59] <Firetech> fabio_elio_tonti: kubuntu has it's own xorg config
[17:59] <fkm> Well. There are the "Display Settings" that modify the xorg.conf.
[17:59] <fkm> But I don't trust these applications
[18:00] <Firetech> "Monitor and display" in System Settings
[18:00] <fkm> I rather modify the file myself. Gives me much cleaner results too ;)
[18:00] <vbgunz> Firetech: heh, thats going a lil far :)
[18:00] <Firetech> vbgunz: nah, I'm still using Firefox normally, but vimperator adds a useful "surf without mouse" mode ;)
[18:01] <Firetech> not tabbing through the whole page, that is
[18:01] <vbgunz> I just don't get why konqueror has trouble without the www. in some instances
[18:01] <The_Machine> really quick - before when konqueror was the default file manager, i could right click and select Move To, and be able to browse the file system and drop it.
[18:01] <The_Machine> How can i do that w/ Dolphin?
[18:01] <vbgunz> that was a problem solved in 95 no?
[18:01] <The_Machine> )
[18:01] <ice9__> trying to upgade to 7.10 using adept manager but the software sources window doesn't come up
[18:01] <Firetech> vbgunz: because it doesn't have the code firefox has ;)
[18:02] <fkm> lol, Firetech, the VIMperator sound like a funny idea :D *downloading* :o
[18:02] <Firetech> vbgunz: the times it works, is when the server is responding without "www." too.
[18:02] <ice9__> I do have software-propertes-kde installed
[18:02] <ice9__> too
[18:02] <Firetech> vbgunz: firefox is just a little smarter
[18:07] <Macris> anyone noticed that forcemonitors fglrx command in xorg.conf gives a black screen when kdm should be
[18:08] <Macris> i have been messing around and trying to figure why does not fglrx work for me in gutsy as it did in feisty, and i finally got it to work after removing forcemonitors line from xorg.conf
[18:08] <sven_> Is the adept-manager still alpha version?? I have used it in kubuntu 7.04 and 7.10 and it crashes about.. 40% of the  times I use it :( from the other 60% left, I have about 40% problems.. like me selecting software, trying to install it, it downloads 30 mins and _then_ it tells me there is a version conflict or so.. :(
[18:08] <fabio_elio_tonti> Firetech what do you mean by "it has it's own"?
[18:08] <Jucato> sven_: you could say that it's a funky version :)
[18:09] <Jucato> a *very* funky version :)
[18:09] <Firetech> fabio_elio_tonti: 19:00:04 <Firetech> "Monitor and display" in System Settings
[18:10] <fabio_elio_tonti> thanks
[18:11] <sven_> Jucato, Is there a "stable" version of software that can give similar functionality? Or is there any view on a stable version of adept? I mean, nofi! Its a great piece of software! when it works...
[18:11] <Jucato> sven_: I wish I could tell you there was one :)
[18:11] <Jucato> unless you're willing to install Synaptic, a non-KDE app... but you'll lose the update notification in the system tray
[18:12] <sven_> Jucato, If they really want more ppl to use KDE.. I mean, adept will be about the piece of software they want to use to install more things.. if that keeps crashing in their face, they won't really be happy with it..
[18:12] <Jucato> sven_: 1) Adept is not made by the KDE project. 2) KPackage is the first and last "official" package manager KDE really had
[18:12] <vbgunz> for some reason, gutsy does not ntoify me of new updates anymore
[18:12] <coreymon77> one thing i do agree about is that adept has its problems
[18:12] <vbgunz> I just happen to check with sudo apt-get update and find updates
[18:12] <coreymon77> thats why i just command line apt it
[18:13] <sven_> Jucato, but KPackage, thats the "Add / remove programs"  thing, right?
[18:13] <Jucato> no
[18:13] <Jucato> that's still Adept (Adept Installer)
[18:13] <sven_> Jucato, will kpackage give the same functionality then? :S
[18:14] <coreymon77> sven_: NO
[18:14] <sven_> same as adept that is?
[18:14] <coreymon77> SORRY
[18:14] <coreymon77> didnt know caps was on
[18:14] <Jucato> sven_: no
[18:14] <sven_> coreymon77, it was a clear no al the same :)
[18:14] <coreymon77> accidentally pressed caps instead of shift
[18:14] <Jucato> adept is currently the only actively maintained KDE package manager for Debian systems
[18:14] <coreymon77> and kpkg was never redone to work without root
[18:15] <coreymon77> thats why kde never worked on ubuntu until kubuntu came
[18:15] <sven_> Jucato, Then I hope they will fix these many bugs in it.. its rare that I use adept without seeing any sort of problem
[18:15] <Jucato> sven_: you and me both.. but ...
[18:15] <Jucato> oh well
[18:15] <coreymon77> sven_: its rare that i use adept ;) :P
[18:15] <sven_> coreymon77, again, NOFI, I think adept is great.. it just needs  some ironing..
[18:16] <coreymon77> nofi?
[18:16] <sven_> coreymon77, Jucato Where could I report adept bugs?
[18:16] <sven_> I have quite a nice list for them, it may help
[18:16] <Jucato> bugs.launchpad.net
[18:16] <Jucato> sven_: please check if they have not been reported yet
[18:16] <Jucato> I'm pretty sure they have :P
[18:18] <sven_> Jucato, I have so many to report that I might bring in something new :)
[18:18] <Jucato> just double check please?
[18:18] <aguitel_> anyone use chipset Realtek rtl8180L  because is not working in gutsy  ?
[18:18] <Jucato> make it easier for me
[18:18] <Jucato> :P
[18:19] <sven_> Jucato, in any case, its weird.. its like, adept is what the people will use to install software, and its really buggy.. kde or not, its what people will use to judge kde anyway..
[18:19] <Jucato> sven_: although it's not really *that* buggy... you make it sound that it's 100% unusable :)
[18:19] <sven_> Jucato, makes it easier for you if I double check? you mean you are a developer?
[18:19] <sven_> Jucato, no no.. its IS usable :)
[18:19] <Jucato> make it easier for me to triage the bugs, filter those that can be done, forward them to the devs, or maybe work on some of them
[18:20] <sven_> Jucato, its just anoying at times, specially if you select like 20 packages.. (yeah yeah, sometimes I feel like Im a kid in a toy store)
[18:20] <coreymon77> sven_: and yes, jucato is a developer
[18:20] <Jucato> half half :)
[18:20] <coreymon77> Jucato: not meaning to speak for you
[18:20] <Jucato> it's ok :)
[18:21] <sven_> Jucato, actually.. maybe a suggestion that might be nice: Remeber the selected packages in case of a "cant install beacause of dep problems" or a crash.. that would save a lot of time having to select these pacakges again :)
[18:22] <Jucato> I've been wanting to have a sort of feature like that in Adept... Synaptic has one iirc
[18:23] <coreymon77> well, thats the bell
[18:23] <vbgunz> is klash anygood?
[18:23] <coreymon77> i have to go
[18:23] <coreymon77> cya later everyone
[18:26] <sven_> Jucato, it would actually be a great fix; if something goes wrong, you won't have to start all over again
[18:26] <Jucato> sven_: please check if there's a bug/wish filed like that. if not. please do :)
[18:26] <fkm> Firetech, I got a little question. How do I deactivate VIMperator?
[18:27] <sven_> Jucato, and another nice feat., would be that you can still browse the package list (possibly selecting other packages you want to install / remove in a next "apply changes") while the apply changes is running..
[18:27] <sven_> Jucato, I'll go and check
[18:27] <Jucato> sven_: you can
[18:27] <sadoff> HI! can someone helpme ? Where can i find russian chat about kubunta?
[18:27] <Jucato> in Adept Manager
[18:27] <Jucato> !ru | sadoff
[18:27] <ubotu> sadoff: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[18:27] <fkm> Firetech, Ah. Just found it :D
[18:27] <Firetech> fkm: :addons ;) You can also activate the menu, toolbar and bookmarksbar by typing :set guioptions+=mTb
[18:28] <fkm> Ah :) I think I'll do the latter :D
[18:28] <Firetech> that's how I use it
[18:28] <Firetech> :help is your frient, though ;)
[18:28] <Firetech> *friend
[18:28] <fkm> kk :)
[18:29] <fkm> Btw. yes, now it's nice _and_ easy to use :)
[18:33] <trappist> is anybody else getting bad gpg signatures from the security and updates repos for gutsy?
[18:38] <aguitel> anyone use chipset Realtek rtl8180L  because is not working in gutsy  ?
[18:39] <serenity> hi
[18:40] <MurielGodoi> Hi, when I resume my laptop, my wireless card don't turn on back. Any idea about how solve it?
[18:40] <serenity> there is a service called laptop_mode. It is in /etc/rc2.d but it do not start. When i restart it by hand, it works.
[18:45] <serenity> there is a service called laptop_mode. It is in /etc/rc2.d but it do not start. When i restart it by hand, it works.
[18:45] <imagine[laptop]> Just install Fiesty fawn and tryin to d oupgrade results in error from Adept.. can't fetch updates.. any idea why?
[18:48] <imagine[laptop]> ??
[18:48] <mefisto__> imagine[laptop]: are you upgrading to gutsy? or just upgrading installed packages?
[18:48] <imagine[laptop]> I said feisty, not gutsy..
[18:48] <imagine[laptop]> trying to upgrade Feisty
[18:48] <imagine[laptop]> it doens't even want to retrieve packages...
[18:49] <mefisto__> have you tried changing the download server in adept's manage packages dialog?
[18:49] <imagine[laptop]> yes
[18:49] <imagine[laptop]> From Canada to Main Server
[18:50] <imagine[laptop]> nvm it works now..
[18:50] <imagine[laptop]> duno what was happenin
[18:58] <[ifr0g]> la--lalalala..alolalalala..
[18:58] <[ifr0g]> purrrrrr..
[19:00] <graelb> Hi, Is there any reason you can think of that would make my TTY's not be visible?
[19:02] <alfredo> alguem me pode dizer, como é que se configura um wide screen...
[19:03] <Jucato> !pt | alfredo
[19:03] <ubotu> alfredo: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[19:04] <alfredo> obrigado
[19:04] <[ifr0g]> graelb, you mean the ones on ctrl alt f1 etc ?
[19:04] <graelb> yeap
[19:05] <[ifr0g]> graelb, huh, just a sec
[19:05] <trappist> anyone know why the gpg signatures are bad for the security and updates repos in gutsy?
[19:06] <graelb> i found this :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910 and... i'm wading through it
[19:06] <graelb> on gutsy btw
[19:06] <trappist> I fetched them from a keyserver and apt-key added them and they're still bad :/
[19:11] <[ifr0g]> graelb, do you have the tty files in /etc/event.d
[19:11] <[ifr0g]> i think that is resposible for those screens.
[19:11] <graelb> hang on
[19:11] <graelb> hehe
[19:12] <graelb> yep. they're there
[19:13] <[ifr0g]> what do you get when you hit those keys ?
[19:13] <amck1> hey guys, anyone had any success making pptp connections from a kubuntu client?
[19:14] <jjj543k3> does any one know if there is a way to make those annoying green backup files created by all the text editors dissapear
[19:14] <jjj543k3> ?
[19:14] <jjj543k3> or make them hidden?
[19:15] <trappist> jjj543k3: depends on the text editor
[19:15] <graelb> I get a black screen =P
[19:15] <Dexhu> hello fro Florida
[19:16] <ubuntu_> kooo
[19:16] <amck1> hey, any kubuntu vpn experts here?
[19:16] <lovre_> i have a strange problem. In firefox, on some pages, there is a wierd line at the beginning of loaded html-s, that look like this ""
[19:17] <[ifr0g]> graelb, i could not see why, do you have getty installed
[19:17] <sui> hi
[19:17] <lovre_> i have a strange problem. In firefox, on some pages, there is a wierd line at the beginning of loaded html-s, that look like this: "BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB" and then some more strange signs. What is this?
[19:17] <Dexhu> how can I download Kubuntu  using a live CD..where would I store the ico file..can it be done to a DVD while in live CD mode??
[19:17] <graelb> I don't know what getty is, but i'm thinking it's a framebuffer issue... at least, that's what i've seen
[19:17] <[ifr0g]> Dexhu, yes it can be done.
[19:17] <BluesKaj> jjj543k3, in kate if that's the text editor ,settings/ configure kate/open/save, uncheck local files on backup&save
[19:17] <amck1> ok, anywhere else i may get some vpn help?
[19:18] <[ifr0g]> Dekans, simply use the mounted dir in /media/ to dpwnload it to..
[19:18] <Dexhu> how? >ifrog?
[19:18] <Dexhu> can I remove the live cd to put in a blank on?
[19:19] <Dexhu> one?