[01:06] <bennypr0fane> hello, how can I mount a webdav network share with thunar?
[01:09] <Unit193> It'd be worth a shot, I know mount.davfs works.
[01:11] <bennypr0fane> Unit193, command line?
[01:12] <Unit193> It's a normal mount command, but thunar may do it as well.
[01:12] <bennypr0fane> in Gnome/Nautilus, you can just "connect to server", choose webdav, enter the url, done
[01:13] <bennypr0fane> but I can't find a "connect to server" equivalent in thunar
[01:13] <bennypr0fane> If I enter the URL in hte location bar and press enter, nothing happens
[01:14] <bennypr0fane> Unit193, I mean I don't care how I mount it, command line or GUi. THe important things is that I can always see the webdav share in the file manger after that
[01:15] <bennypr0fane> :-D "file manger" lol
[01:19] <Unit193> Does Go > Open Location do what you want?
[01:37] <bennypr0fane> Unit193, no, it doesn't do anything
[01:53] <Unit193> OK, then davfs2 and mount.davfs it.
[01:54] <bennypr0fane> actually, I think Gigolo is GUI meant for this
[01:55] <bennypr0fane> I just mounted a sahare using Gigolo, and when double clicking it, it opens it in the file manager, so I guess that is the solution I was lookin for
[01:55] <bennypr0fane> Unit193, still have to check if it sticks across reboots. thanks, have a good one!
[03:33]  * David-A have tried left-hand-mouse for a couple of weeks, now back to right-hand-mouse
[03:37] <ObrienDave> LOL why, oh why, would you want to do that? ;))
[03:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> I could offer insight but it's inappropriate and extremely off topic. Move along. :)
[03:44] <lennox> my screen is going garbled and everything locks up when i open firefox any ideas?
[03:45] <David-A> Poisoned_Dragon: don't worry, it's not that, not only that
[03:45] <David-A> ObrienDave: some weeks ago i felt some strain in my right-hand-fingers. it has improved sligtly, and now I feel strain in my left shoulder.
[03:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> heh, you can't win.
[03:46] <ObrienDave> heavy mouse? ;)
[03:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> the strain in your shoulder is probably from not being use to it.
[03:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> heavy arm
[03:48] <David-A> ObrienDave: to the picture, i have added a separate numeric keypad placed to the left, so I have numeric keypads to both the left and right, and using one where I currently have less finger strain
[03:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> smart
[03:49] <David-A> ObrienDave: more to the picture, I have mapped the arrow keys to keypad 4,5,6,+ so I use all 4 fingers for arrow keying.
[03:51] <David-A> ObrienDave: (similar to the h,j,k,l arrows in vim, but different order I think)
[08:35] <ubuntu_or_arch> what is the diff btw fglrx and fglrx-updates
[08:36] <ObrienDave> no clue. ari-yang suggests NOT using fglrx
[08:40] <ubuntu_or_arch> y
[08:40] <ObrienDave> you'll have to ask them
[08:40] <ubuntu_or_arch> oh
[08:41] <koegs> who is ari-yang?
[08:41] <ubuntu_or_arch> do you know y Ubuntu is being called Spyware?
[08:42] <ObrienDave> koegs, someone on main ubuntu channel
[08:42] <ObrienDave> Ari-Yang
[08:43] <ubuntu_or_arch> Xubuntu 13.10 uses lightdm right?
[08:43] <koegs> ok, because i do not know why you would not want to use fglrx, i am using it on many notebooks :)
[08:44] <ubuntu_or_arch> koegs its nonfree n prop. tht is y
[08:44] <koegs> yeah, so?
[08:44] <ObrienDave> i dunno, not sure what the problem was for another user
[08:44] <ubuntu_or_arch> They all want us to use Gallium .. which won't work for us ..
[08:47] <ObrienDave> something about removing fglrx and installing mesa video drivers. not really sure what the issue was
[08:48] <ubuntu_or_arch> mesa is opensource drivers
[08:52] <ubuntu_or_arch> is mega safe?
[08:54] <koegs> ubuntu_or_arch: this channel is mainly for xubuntu-support, if you just want to chat about things there is #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:02] <ubuntu_or_arch> ok
[09:06] <ubuntu_or_arch> Xubuntu 14.04 has 3.12.1
[09:07] <baizon> ubuntu_or_arch: it will have  the 3.13 kernel
[09:09] <ubuntu_or_arch> baizon no way?? how can it be a LTS then?
[09:09] <ubuntu_or_arch> MIR would replace X right?
[09:09] <baizon> no
[09:09] <baizon> posponed until 14.10
[09:10] <baizon> postponed*
[09:10] <ochosi> (at least 14.10)
[09:23] <Donnie> I completely forgot the terminal commands for searching for drivers when adding hardware... like usb hardware that might need special drivers..
[09:29] <well_laid_lawn> Donnie:  lsusb will list the usb devices, the modules(linux has modules not drivers) should be loaded by the kernel when the device is found/inserted
[09:29] <well_laid_lawn> when you insert a usb device running   dmesg | tail   should show what the kernelcould do for it
[10:09] <ochosi> koegs: afaik the place of the gtk3 ini file was changed
[10:10] <ochosi> so it might be that apps that haven't been updated to a newer standard look in the wrong place
[10:10] <ochosi> but i'm not sure
[10:11] <koegs> strange thing is, in the xubuntu-session everything looks ok, so i am trying to think from that direction
[10:11] <koegs> how does xfce set the theme?
[10:12] <ochosi> with xfsettingsd
[10:12] <ochosi> obviously that's not the full answer, but i don't know how exactly it does it
[10:13] <koegs> ochosi: thx, that might help, actually, when i start xfsettingsd, the apps use the correct theme, but not the font size, i can work with that
[10:15] <ochosi> koegs: good to hear!
[10:15] <ochosi> basically you might have to start some of the stuff the xubuntu session starts
[10:40] <koegs> ochosi: thx, works like a charm, only thing is a wrong background on the nm-applet icon in the systray, but i think that has to be fixed in the theme
[10:41] <ochosi> koegs: yeah, it's an indicator, no?
[10:41] <koegs> yes
[10:41] <ochosi> then you oughta use a theme that themes indicators correctly
[10:42] <ochosi> what theme are you using atm?
[10:42] <koegs> ochosi: http://sixsixfive.deviantart.com/art/simpliX-Xfwm-Xfce-Notify-GTK2-GTK3-346404452
[10:42] <ochosi> ah, i love sixsixfive's stuff
[10:43] <ochosi> but he's not using xubuntu, so no indicator support ;)
[10:43] <ochosi> shouldn't be very hard to fix though
[10:43] <koegs> ochosi: https://mytestarea.de/
[10:43] <koegs> there you can see my desktop, only nm-applet is wrong :D
[10:44] <ochosi> sweet :)
[10:44] <ochosi> looks nice
[10:44] <ochosi> it's very far off the default, i like it
[10:44] <koegs> took a lot of work, but i am very happy with it
[10:44] <ochosi> yeah, can imagine
[10:44] <ochosi> what icons are you using?
[10:45] <koegs> "any color you like" (ACYL 0.9.4)
[10:46] <ochosi> ah
[10:46] <ochosi> weird, that theme seems to have some problems
[10:46] <ochosi> menuitem-hover doesn't work here.
[10:47] <ochosi> even in gtk2
[10:47] <ochosi> that's rather odd
[10:47] <koegs> it is white on white?
[10:47] <ochosi> yup
[10:47] <koegs> yeah, seen that too, but it did not bother me a lot
[10:47] <ochosi> rly? how? :)
[10:48] <koegs> that is not a thing i see very often other than the nm-applet :D
[10:48] <ochosi> it's quite a grave issue imo
[10:50] <ochosi> koegs: try this, open xfcepanel.theme and add:
[10:50] <ochosi> widget "*indicator-applet*"		style "xfcepanelsystraytogglebutton"
[10:50] <ochosi> widget "*indicator-button*"		style "xfcepanelsystraytogglebutton"
[10:50] <ochosi> after line 93
[10:50] <ochosi> then restart the panel (xfce4-panel --restart)
[10:51] <ochosi> (and if it works, please send it to 665 as a patch)
[10:53] <koegs> can you put it in a pastebin? i think it got broke by pasting it in the irc-client
[10:54] <koegs> ochosi: got it alrady
[11:39] <koegs> ochosi: it seems like in awesome it is not an indicator, but in systray "** Message: using fallback from indicator to GtkStatusIcon"
[12:40] <xubuntu302> hi
[12:40] <xubuntu302> guys pls help me
[12:40] <xubuntu302> hello??
[12:41] <xubuntu302> anyone there??
[12:41] <cfhowlett> xubuntu302, sorry, crystal ball is broken.   no details, no help.
[12:41] <xubuntu302> cfhowlett wat distro for a 1 gb ram pls....
[12:42] <PiiiRKO> xubuntu302: xubuntu
[12:42] <PiiiRKO> :DD
[12:43] <cfhowlett> xubuntu or lubuntu
[12:44] <PiiiRKO> cfhowlett: I think xubuntu is best for low pcs
[12:51] <cfhowlett> PiiiRKO, they're pretty close.  Use what works for you!
[12:52] <PiiiRKO> cfhowlett: true :)
[13:20] <ochosi> koegs: ah, then i'm not sure, can't test that right now
[14:15] <xubuntu886> Is ubuntu secure? (therefore xubuntu)
[14:15] <cfhowlett> yes
[14:16] <cfhowlett> xubuntu886, the biggest threat sits between the keyboard and the screen
[14:16] <xubuntu886> what if canonical allowed backdoors?
[14:16] <baizon> xubuntu886: linux is open source, so everybody can review the code
[14:17] <cfhowlett> xubuntu886, it's open source.  pretty sure it would be found, don't you think?
[14:17] <xubuntu886> no I read somewhere about binary packages or something that are difficult to read
[14:18] <koegs> ochosi: would it be possible to give me a hint, i am lost when it comes to gtk-theming :(
[14:18] <baizon> xubuntu886: well you can compile everything by yourself from the sources
[14:18] <ochosi> koegs: well tbh i'm not sure why that particular trayicon behaves different from the rest
[14:18] <baizon> xubuntu886: the community is to "big", that nobody would notice a backdoor
[14:18] <xubuntu886> I am a windows user, i dont know this stuff
[14:19] <knome> xubuntu886, as long as you use common sense and think twice before typing your password, you are fine.
[14:19] <ochosi> koegs: i can try to patch it a little later
[14:20] <koegs> ochosi: thx a lot, testing can be done by me :)
[14:21] <ochosi> koegs: well i have to test it, otherwise i can't *really* fix it ;)
[14:21] <xubuntu886> The community is not big, a very common bug about the sound control is still there after a month of official release
[14:21] <koegs> well put, my dear friend
[14:21] <fartboner> xubuntu886: why not compile everything yourself
[14:21] <xubuntu886> how would anyone then see a backdoor?
[14:22] <ochosi> koegs: hm, works here: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-11272013-032148pm.php
[14:22] <fartboner> xubuntu886: by reading the source code?
[14:22] <ochosi> koegs: that's with xfce4-panel and nm-applet as trayicon
[14:22] <knome> xubuntu886, the former is a xubuntu-only issue, the latter are ubuntu-wide issues
[14:22] <koegs> ochosi: hm, maybe i need to take a deeper look at my config, when i am at home
[14:22] <fartboner> xubuntu886: plenty of people use xubuntu
[14:23] <ochosi> koegs: yeah, could be a problem with the icon too
[14:23] <ochosi> koegs: but it's hard to say, anyway from the gtk-theme code things look okayish
[14:23] <baizon> xubuntu886: is is a not security-related bug
[14:24] <fartboner> i don't use a sound applet i have an external sound card
[14:24] <fartboner> knobs+pavucontrol is what i use
[14:25] <hurdorbsd> omg I have encrypted the home drive and installation and now I want to encrypt the web
[14:25] <fartboner> xubuntu886: if you're so worried about security then compile everything from source
[14:25] <hurdorbsd> and other communications
[14:25] <xubuntu886> does being build on debian unstable make it even more unsecure with security holes not known yet?
[14:25] <fartboner> why are you so worried about it being "unsecure" anyways
[14:26] <hurdorbsd> Don't worry about security on linux as it is more secure by default now
[14:26] <fartboner> more secure than what?
[14:26] <hurdorbsd> Just encrypt your home drive and yes keep a separate home drive
[14:26] <baizon> xubuntu886: unstable doesnt equals unsecure!
[14:27] <hurdorbsd> other platforms Mac OS X and Windows
[14:27] <xubuntu886> i  see
[14:27] <hurdorbsd> Debian Stable is rock stable! but people want Ubuntu as it is latest!
[14:27] <cfhowlett> Get and read the "Debian-Ubuntu hardening guide"
[14:28] <hurdorbsd> from where
[14:28] <fartboner> just use damn vulnerable linux
[14:28] <fartboner> hurdorbsd: google?
[14:28] <knome> fartboner, please; unless you can't be helpful, don't post
[14:28] <fartboner> i am being helpful
[14:30] <hurdorbsd> damn vulnerable linux
[14:32] <hurdorbsd> any linux-libre is safe by default + encrypted home folder + secure web practice = Pretty Good Security
[14:33] <xubuntu886> :)
[14:33] <xubuntu886> how can I install the indicator of lts to saucy?
[14:34] <hurdorbsd> Simple
[14:34] <hurdorbsd> Google it
[14:34] <hurdorbsd> :p
[14:34] <xubuntu886> whats the name of that plugin
[14:35] <knome> hurdorbsd, please; that's not helpful either.
[14:35] <hurdorbsd> I was kidding .. which indicator ?? the volume plugin ?
[14:36] <xubuntu886> no the one with chat profile online,away,busy and mail shortcuts
[14:36] <fartboner> knome is cracking down today hurdorbsd
[14:37] <xubuntu886> it has a white email icon
[14:37] <xubuntu886> ubuntu has it also
[14:38] <hurdorbsd> try to add various panels
[14:38] <hurdorbsd> try to add various panel items
[14:38] <xubuntu886> it is not there
[14:39] <knome> as the release notes say, some of the indicators are broken in 13.10
[14:39] <xubuntu886> I think they say only for the volume one
[14:39] <hurdorbsd> Actually I ve used pretty much raw XFCE so I have no idea .. I used Debian XFCE before .. it was 4.8 raw version almost
[14:40] <hurdorbsd> Xubuntu isn't the best xfce Ubuntu I guess
[14:41] <koegs> knome: is the message indicator re-integrated? in 12.10 it was removed
[14:41] <knome> xubuntu886, there is a general problem with indicators which will be fixed in 14.04
[14:41] <knome> koegs, i can't remember exactly, we've unfortunately lost the indicators one by one
[14:41] <knome> but as i said, they should be all back for 14.04
[14:42] <hurdorbsd> Xubuntu 14.04 would have 3.12 Kernel I think so
[14:42] <knome> hurdorbsd, what's the point you are trying to make with your comments?
[14:42] <xubuntu886> haha
[14:43] <xubuntu886> found it. It is called indicator-messages
[14:43] <hurdorbsd> see i told u
[14:44] <hurdorbsd> knome Goto bed u need sleep
[14:49] <knome> hurdorbsd, not really.
[14:51] <hurdorbsd> Trust me you need sleep .. You are so irritated
[14:52] <xubuntu886> hurdorbsd: Use why don't U use the offtopic channel?
[14:53] <hurdorbsd> xubuntu886 why is that?
[14:53] <hurdorbsd> Is it free ? :p
[14:54] <xubuntu886> gnu friendly
[14:57] <hurdorbsd> Oh
[14:57] <hurdorbsd> Libre
[15:00] <xubuntu886> well I am off
[15:01] <xubuntu886> hurdorbsd: http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/hodor-hodor-hodor-hodor-hodor-18.png
[15:49] <hurdorbsd> xubuntu 14.04 is classic try it now
[15:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's out already?
[15:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> Or is it just in RC?
[15:50] <bazhang> early alpha, if that
[15:50] <Pici> I don't think we've even hit a beta milestone yet.
[15:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> heh
[15:52] <hurdorbsd> alpha beta and now with 14.04 we would have a gamma release too
[15:52] <hurdorbsd> gamma would be like final build with community reviews and suggestions it would be stable enough already to use
[15:52] <koegs> 12, 13, 14 <- Thats the year when it was/will be releases, .04/.10 <- is the month of the year when it was/will be released
[15:52] <koegs> it is the same every year :)
[15:53] <hurdorbsd> It would be released in April
[15:54] <hurdorbsd> kernel is latest
[15:55] <koegs> hurdorbsd: once again, this channel is not for chatting
[15:57] <hurdorbsd> Chatting ??
[15:57] <hurdorbsd> is this room for sleeping then?
[15:57] <bazhang> !ot | hurdorbsd
[15:58] <koegs> thx, bazhang :)
[15:59] <hurdorbsd> is xubuntu lacking a sysinfo tool
[16:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> you could always install one.
[16:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> I use inxi, but you can install hardinfo.
[16:01] <bazhang> hwinfo?
[16:01] <koegs> sysinfo is in the standard-repository too
[16:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> is it hwinfo?
[16:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> I know one of them has a gui
[16:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> anyhow.... inxi is a nice cli tool for that.
[16:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> You can use it to send specs to people on irc support.
[16:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> Just has to be used responsibly.
[16:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> You can inadvertently flood a room with the wrong options.
[16:33] <GridCube> indeed
[16:48] <Bor0> what can I do when xubuntu doesn't detect my SSD?
[18:14] <NuSuey> I keep having problems with Skype.. can't hear the ringing/the caller (tried to change the output devices - nothing) .. guess it's some general bug of skype?
[18:19] <baizon> NuSuey: which version of: skype, xubuntu?
[19:42] <TiZ> Hi. I'm having a problem with Xubuntu on my ASUS G46VW. Randomly when I log in, usually about 3/4ths of the time, I will just get a black screen and be unable to interact with the desktop. It doesn't seem that there's a particular problem with Xorg; lightdm works. And my applications have started; I can use my keyboard shortcuts to interact with my screen and keyboard backlights. But there is nothing displayed on the screen. It's all black.
[19:42] <TiZ>  What do I do to fix this?
[20:05] <brauleinchen> is there any easy way to format a USB stick to luks?
[20:05] <brauleinchen> or, must it be command line?
[20:21] <Guest87644> Hello!
[20:23] <Guest87644> Cant properly boot xubuntu 13.10, get soft lock up on one cpu with the following modules linked in: snd_page_alloc(F) snd_seq_midi(F) snd_seq_midi_event(F) snd_rawmidi(F) microcode(F) snd_seq(F) psmouse(F) snd_seq_device(F) snd_timer(F) serio_raw(F) ttm edac_core fam15h_power edac_mce_amd k10temp drm_kms_helper snd(F) drm soundcore(F) sp5100_tco i2c_algo_bit i2c_piix4 parport_pc(F) asus_atk0110 parport(F) wmi mac_hid hid_generic usbhid h
[20:23] <Guest87644> id pata_acpi dm_raid45 pata_atiixp xor(F) r8169 ohci_pci dm_mirror(F) dm_region_hash(F) dm_log(F) mii(F) ahci(F) libahci(F)
[20:25] <Guest87644> Any clues?
[20:32] <berg__> hello
[20:33] <knome> hi berg__
[20:34] <knome> saw your question, but don't know the answer; i'd suggest waiting if somebody who does pops up
[20:34] <berg__> cool, thanx
[21:07] <xubuntu244> hi everywone
[21:07] <xubuntu244> helou
[21:08] <xubuntu244> anybare hir?


[11:20] <luna> jpnurmi: testing 23.04 Alpha now during the Alpha week, the branding is not changed yet? but maybe that is expected and the installer crashed when i switched from dark to light mode and i had to restart the installer and redo all the steps
[11:31] <luna> https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer/issues/1523
[11:31] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Issue 1523 in canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer "Still has Kudu instead of Lobster Branding + crashes when choosing dark mode" [Open]
[12:13] <KGB-2> evolution-data-server pristine-tar d4a32ed Jeremy Bicha evolution-data-server_3.47.3.orig.tar.xz.delta evolution-data-server_3.47.3.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for evolution-data-server_3.47.3.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/0Klz
[12:14] <jbicha> happy Friday!
[12:16] <KGB-2> evolution signed tags 3c33804 Jeremy Bicha upstream/3.47.3 * Upstream version 3.47.3 * https://deb.li/iimAs
[12:16] <KGB-0> evolution upstream/latest 48b1212 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 38 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/BL9c
[12:16] <KGB-0> evolution upstream/latest 8e117e9 Milan Crha data/webkit/e-editor.js * I#2248 - Composer: Check parent element's text-align before unsetting it * https://deb.li/31KkV
[12:16] <KGB-0> evolution upstream/latest 1ada821 Milan Crha src/modules/rss/e-rss-parser.c * I#2261 - RSS: Read of author depends on element order * https://deb.li/wNe0
[12:16] <KGB-0> evolution upstream/latest e2a4cae Philipp Kiemle po/de.po * Update German translation * https://deb.li/3lKQ2
[12:16] <luna> jbicha: same to you doing some 23.04 Alpha testing and changed 6 strings in the Swedish translation for the installer that someone (me) had bent wrong
[12:16] <KGB-0> evolution upstream/latest 27d0da7 Daniel Mustieles po/es.po * Update Spanish translation * https://deb.li/94ui
[12:16] <KGB-0> evolution upstream/latest 9c7f7a7 Fabio Tomat po/fur.po * Update Friulian translation * https://deb.li/3DmXG
[12:43] <luna> the harddrive detection seems very funky finds disks thats not even connected to my computer anymore
[13:04] <KGB-2> evolution-ews signed tags 7dac2ee Jeremy Bicha upstream/3.47.3 * Upstream version 3.47.3 * https://deb.li/3nKgD
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[13:04] <KGB-2> evolution-ews upstream/latest 9a9da2f Jeremy Bicha * pushed 14 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/buej
[13:05] <KGB-2> evolution-ews upstream/latest 34c9c01 Milan Crha CMakeLists.txt * Post-release version bump * https://deb.li/3GmNl
[13:05] <KGB-2> evolution-ews upstream/latest 8429a06 Jürgen Benvenuti po/de.po * Update German translation * https://deb.li/3wL1x
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[13:05] <KGB-2> evolution-ews upstream/latest 55c2976 Milan Crha src/ (5 files in 3 dirs) * I#223 - OAuth2: Add option to use version 2.0 of the API * https://deb.li/3Ow0D
[13:13] <luna> seems the system gets confused if you have 2 of the same brand and size of harddrive plugged in or plugged in previously and won't install
[15:40] <KGB-2> gtk3 upstream/latest 456e29c Simon McVittie * pushed 62 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/i2uty
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[15:40] <KGB-2> gtk3 upstream/latest fba09db Emmanuele Bassi gdk/gdkpixbuf-drawable.c * Mark surface as dirty before flushing it * https://deb.li/GIyn
[15:40] <KGB-0> gtk3 tags b15e12d Simon McVittie upstream/3.24.37 * Upstream version 3.24.37 * https://deb.li/3JDW2
[15:40] <KGB-2> gtk3 upstream/latest 8369148 Matthias Clasen gdk/gdkpixbuf-drawable.c * Merge branch 'ebassi/issue-5482' into 'gtk-3-24' * https://deb.li/3yuZ7
[15:41] <KGB-2> gtk3 upstream/latest 783af2e Luca Bacci gdk/win32/gdkevents-win32.c * GdkWin32: Correct generation of crossing events when holding an implicit grab * https://deb.li/EuG0
[17:51] <KGB-2> glib pristine-tar 64eb394 Jeremy Bicha glib2.0_2.75.4.orig-unicode-data.tar.xz.delta glib2.0_2.75.4.orig-unicode-data.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for glib2.0_2.75.4.orig-unicode-data.tar.xz * https://deb.li/xCVn
[17:51] <KGB-2> glib pristine-tar a2ba4c7 Jeremy Bicha glib2.0_2.75.4.orig.tar.xz.delta glib2.0_2.75.4.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for glib2.0_2.75.4.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3l5K7


[02:50] <stgraber> ev, cjwatson: ubiquity-frontend-gtk would need a rebuild for the new libindicator. Current package conflicts with ubuntu-desktop making livecds either fail to generate or miss half the desktop.
[02:56] <ev> stgraber: on it now
[02:56]  * highvoltage wonders if cjwatson and ev ever sleeps
[02:57] <ev> I'll get around to it :-P
[02:58] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4513 trunk/debian/real-po/ (63 files): debconf-updatepo
[02:58] <stgraber> ev: thanks ;)
[02:58] <ev> sure thing
[03:00] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4514 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[03:00] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: flash-kernel
[03:00] <CIA-3> ubiquity: 2.28ubuntu14, partman-auto 93ubuntu5.
[03:11] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4515 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.5.16
[15:38] <charlie-tca> When I run the desktop image, and hit a key to bring up the installer menu, it first asks for a language. Is the default always English, or does it default to a country language somehow?
[15:38] <cjwatson> the former; we don't know the country until after that step
[15:38] <charlie-tca> thanks
[15:39] <cjwatson> though it will default to the language you selected at the CD boot menu if you selected anything there
[15:39] <cjwatson> (you may not necessarily have seen that menu)


[00:13] <mtaylor> is there any way to track tarball downloads of tarballs uploaded to launchpad?
[00:39] <ubuntu_> hey is anybody here?
[00:40] <Dawndeath> ??
[00:40] <Dawndeath> i need to make some question please...
[00:40] <intellectronica> Dawndeath: go ahead, what's the question?
[00:40] <Dawndeath> i make a translation group with the university that i corporate with
[00:41] <Dawndeath> but we cant make a translation as a team but only as indivindual people
[00:41] <Dawndeath> sorry if i make a mistake in english :s its 2.00 am here :S
[00:41] <Dawndeath> Does someone has to assign us the translation of eg greek ubuntu?
[00:43] <Dawndeath> intellectronica?
[00:45] <intellectronica> Dawndeath: i'm afraid i can't help you. i simple don't know enough about translations, and the translations team is probably gone for the night. Why don't you ask a question, and i'll make sure someone gets to it first thing in the morning?
[00:46] <Dawndeath> Can u kindly provide me a link to make the question?
[00:46] <Dawndeath> Thanks in advance :)
[00:46] <intellectronica> Dawndeath: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[00:53] <Dawndeath> I made my question here intellectronica...Thanks a lot mate god bless you :)
[00:53] <Dawndeath> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/63230
[00:53] <Dawndeath> Good night :)
[08:17] <jpds> Are the code.l.n pages timing out for anyone else?
[08:19] <thekorn> yes, same here
[08:22]  * wgrant finds his to be working.
[08:37] <thekorn> ok, sorry, code.edge.lp.net is timing out, stable is working ok
[08:53] <kiko> jpds, thekorn: any OOPS ID?
[08:54] <kiko> thumper: ^^
[08:54] <jpds> kiko: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev -> (Error ID: OOPS-1161ED52)
[08:55]  * wgrant is finding his parts of code.e.l.n surprisingly snappy.
[08:55]  * wgrant initially blames r7891 for those timeouts.
[09:05] <kiko> yeah, might be -- looking at the queries
[09:07] <thekorn> looks like only teams/users entry pages seems to be affected
[09:08] <wgrant> Those are the only pages with significant changes over the past day.
[09:19] <maccam-sager> i would really *really* like to see a "comment" option for blueprints
[09:20] <maccam-sager> heck, maybe even integrate blueprint specs into the launchpad blueprint page. why do they go on the ubuntu wiki?
[09:20] <persia> Generally that's done in any of the whiteboard, the comments section of the detailed specification, or in the mailing list discussion for the blueprint.  I don't think it needs another place.
[09:21] <maccam-sager> persia: the text under the whiteboard area says: Any notes on the status of this spec you would like to make. Your changes will override the current text.
[09:21] <persia> Personally, I like specs on the project wiki.  I think it's easier to cross-link to other project activities.  I don't think non-Ubuntu specs belong on the Ubuntu wiki: that's why other projects have other wikis.
[09:21] <persia> maccam-sager, Yes.  Some people comment by adding a comment to the text, but generally the detailed specification, or the discussion of the specification is a better place.
[09:21] <maccam-sager> so that space looks to me like it's for project devs to make notes
[09:21] <persia> Having more comment sections only means more places to check.
[09:22] <maccam-sager> well it seems to me like it would make sense to keep ubuntu user documentation on the wiki, and ubuntu development work on launchpad
[09:23] <persia> Hrm?
[09:23] <maccam-sager> rather than just linking blueprints to specs on the wiki
[09:23] <persia> There's a couple different Ubuntu wikis, which may add to the confusion.  There's help.ubuntu.com, where most user documentation is stored, and wiki.ubuntu.com, which is mostly developer coordination.
[09:23] <persia> But how Ubuntu chooses to organise it's wikis ought't affect LP.
[09:25] <maccam-sager> ah ok i was missing the thing with the different wikis
[10:55] <Mirv> is Jaunty's Rosetta import queue somehow stuck / slowed down? https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+imports?field.filter_status=APPROVED&field.filter_extension=all
[10:56] <Mirv> 12k as Approved, it does not seem to get past those glib2.0 ones, but maybe the queue is doing something else like processing Needs Review?
[10:57] <al-maisan> Mirv: none of the Rosetta guys are available at present
[10:58] <al-maisan> we'll have the queue checked as soon as one of them comes on-line
[10:59] <Mirv> al-maisan: alright.
[11:54] <Psuedo> G'Day
[11:54] <Psuedo> Can't figure Launchpad out, want to upload a repository of .deb there
[11:54] <Psuedo> How can I do this?
[11:55] <jpds> Psuedo: You mean PPAs? See: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[11:57] <Psuedo> Yes
[11:57] <Psuedo> Thanks
[11:57] <Psuedo> Can I keep my PPA private, on launchpad?
[12:00] <Psuedo> (only until I am ready to make a stable public release of it)
[12:01] <beuno> Psuedo, that's available as a commercial option
[12:11] <Psuedo> commercial option?
[12:11] <Psuedo> Yikes
[12:11] <Psuedo> I'm just a small time Linux develope
[12:11] <Psuedo> as in very small-time
[12:12] <persia> Psuedo, For private work, for non-commercial use, you may find sbuild or pbuilder meets your needs, perhaps in combination with apt-ftparchive or even falcon, if you're feeling ambitious.
[12:13] <henninge> Mirv: Hi! The queue was stopped indeed (on purpose) but has been re-enabled right now.
[12:14] <Psuedo> persia: I have all the .deb already created. Just want to test them all online for a month or less, to test there stability
[12:15] <persia> Right.  LP requires public release or payment.  You can do something private and local from your own server with apt-ftparchive or falcon.
[12:16] <Psuedo> Ah, not bad. I have a WL700gE, this may go nicely with it
[12:21] <Mirv> henninge: ok, thanks for the information.
[12:29] <vorian> can someone please turn of rosetta emails?
[12:29] <vorian> I got over 13000 yesterday
[12:30] <vorian> and am in the process of getting more today
[12:31] <danilos> vorian: hi, I noticed, and we are working on them (I've disabled ubuntu-imports during the night so you wouldn't get them)
[12:32] <vorian> danilos: will i just have to suffer throught this?
[12:32] <danilos> vorian: we'll change the importer so you don't get them
[12:33] <vorian> thank you so much :)
[12:33] <danilos> vorian: we'll know soon, I've disabled jaunty imports again, but depends on availability of the people who can fix stuff in the database for us
[12:34] <vorian> OK
[12:35] <danilos> vorian: since you are likely to be most affected, just a question to determine the urgency of the proper fix for us (i.e. disabling success notifications, and reducing a number of failure notifications)
[12:35] <danilos> vorian: do you have any idea if you'll be uploading more kde language packs in March?
[12:35] <vorian> sure, what's the question?
[12:36] <vorian> danilos: towards the end of march/ beginning of april
[12:36] <vorian> let me check for s specific date
[12:37] <vorian> danilos: looks like on April 1st
[12:38] <danilos> vorian: ok, we are having another release then, so I'd like to leave the fix for that time
[12:38] <vorian> sounds good.
[12:38] <vorian> Thanks for the help :)
[12:39] <arnetheduck> hello, any lp admins around?
[12:39] <danilos> vorian: np, sorry for the spam, I totally forgot about KDE language packs; as a consolation, you'll have a lot of karma now (which we'll remove, but enjoy it while it lasts :)
[12:40] <arnetheduck> got a bit of an abuse problem with the bug tracker
[12:40] <vorian> haha
[12:40] <vorian> HOLY MOSES
[12:41] <vorian> that is a crazy amount of karma
[13:14] <al-maisan> arnetheduck: what is the abuse problem with the bug tracker?
[13:26] <jblount> I've created a new team, but lp seems to hang when going to the teams page ( http://launchpad.net/~opug )
[13:29] <intellectronica> jblount: works fine for me. try again?
[13:29] <al-maisan> yep, works here as well..
[13:29] <jblount> intellectronica: Will do, it seems to be happening for any ~ url on lp
[13:30] <persia> I don't encounter that, and I've hit *lots* of ~ URLs in the past 10-15 minutes
[13:31] <jblount> I would have typically just restarted my browser, assuming some problem, but I as sort of in the middle of the process and didn't want to lose any progress.
[13:31] <jblount> Looks fine now, thanks all :D
[13:32] <beuno> jblount, sounds like something sinzui has been playing with
[13:32] <kiko> hey beuno, jblount
[13:33] <jblount> hiya kiko
[13:33] <beuno> hey kiko
[13:33] <beuno> how's it going?
[13:33] <kiko> pretty busy
[13:33] <beuno> what a shock
[13:33] <beuno> how's the weather?  should I pack light?
[13:43] <fta> hm, can't go to code.lp.. OOPS-1161ED104
[13:43] <kiko> fta, yeah, problem on edge -- I think noodles775 is gonna revert the patch
[13:44] <fta> kiko, ok, as long as it's known, i'm fine ;)
[13:44] <kiko> noodles775, is that right?
[13:51] <al-maisan> kiko: noodles775 just came back from lunch..
[13:52] <kiko> lucky for us!
[13:52] <noodles775> kiko: I left that issue with rockstar and spm, who decided to rollback edge I believe.
[13:52] <noodles775> kiko: but i am working on the merge failure for db-devel.
[13:52] <kiko> cool thanks
[13:53] <kiko> but spm is gone (hopefully)
[13:53] <kiko> and rockstar too
[13:53] <kiko> what we need to do is commit a reverse merge
[13:53] <kiko> and get edge updated again
[13:56] <noodles775> kiko: yes, as far as I was aware, edge was going to be rolled back to 7885 (yesterdays revision)
[13:56] <noodles775> ok, but it wasn't.
[13:57] <kiko> right
[13:57] <noodles775> kiko: and rockstar tried a reverse merge but there were dependent changes (i think that's what he said)
[13:58] <noodles775> so if there's another losa around who can just roll edge back to 7885, that's probably the best solution for now.
[13:58] <kiko> it's friday
[14:00] <noodles775> yes it is... and perhaps we should have a policy of not doing commits on friday afternoon unless you can be around... :)
[14:04] <arnetheduck> al-maisan, contacting you in private...
[14:04] <al-maisan> OK
[16:22] <LaserJock> does anybody know off-hand if LP is going to allow for bugs filed against teams/people?
[17:05] <LaserJock> hmm, pretty quiet in here :-)
[17:05] <Ursinha> :)
[17:14] <cjwatson> Laney: package syncs in the Soyuz UI are planned, but blocked on fixing up changelog handling (bug 55795, bug 139162, bug 247456), which would otherwise be aggravated by doing syncs directly in LP
[17:14] <cjwatson> Laney: other than that, note that https://launchpad.net/debian exists and is populated, which was the other major prerequisite for this; so it's just a matter of UI now
[18:09] <crashsystems> I'm getting an error message when trying to view http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gwibber-committers/gwibber/trunk/files
[18:10] <al-maisan> crashsystems: what kind of error message is that?
[18:10] <crashsystems> http://paste2.org/p/159603
[18:11] <al-maisan> crashsystems: the page rendered OK for me
[18:11] <al-maisan> could you please try again?
[18:11] <crashsystems> just worked
[18:12] <al-maisan> crashsystems: there you go .. probably some sort of hiccup :)
[18:12] <crashsystems> yeah, it probably just did not like me. thanks for taking a look
[18:13] <danilos> vorian: hi
[18:13] <al-maisan> crashsystems: np
[18:35] <nixternal> is it known that bazaar.launchpad.net is down?
[18:35] <nixternal> is it know that bazaar.launchpad.net is back up? :P
[18:36] <nixternal> s/know/known/
[18:36] <jpds> nixternal: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/bazaar.launchpad.net
[18:37] <nixternal> hahaha nice
[19:16] <cumulus007> I want to change the e-mail address my LP account is registered o
[19:16] <cumulus007> n
[19:17] <Ursinha> cumulus007, you have the change details link on your lp profile
[19:17] <Ursinha> click there, e-mail settings
[19:17] <cumulus007> okay
[19:17] <Ursinha> you can add as many emails you want, and then choose the preferred one
[19:18] <Ursinha> cumulus007, you have access to that account, right?
[19:18] <cumulus007> Ursinha: I have
[19:18] <Ursinha> cumulus007, so that should be easy :)
[19:18] <cumulus007> I didn't expect that it would that easy
[19:55] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23557975/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1~b3~hg20090305r23688%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~intrepid_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[19:56] <fta> d'oh!
[20:07] <maix> is there some special syntax to create code blocks etc in launchpad bug report forms?
[20:10] <Ursinha> maix, hmm, I don't think so
[20:10] <maix> hmkay
[21:51] <lldaedalusll> Hi all
[21:51] <lldaedalusll> I tried to access http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-server/mysql-5.1-telco-6.4-win/files
[21:51] <lldaedalusll> and got an error telling me to report this problem here
[21:51] <lldaedalusll> so I did
[22:04] <Ursinha> lldaedalusll, you have to insist on that :/
[22:07] <Ursinha> lldaedalusll, we're handling the issue, a minute, please
[22:07] <Ursinha> lldaedalusll, can you try again now, please?
[22:08] <lldaedalusll> ok, I will try
[22:09] <lldaedalusll> ok, it works now
[22:09] <lldaedalusll> thx
[22:11] <Ursinha> np lldaedalusll
[22:48] <coyote544> what is this anyway
[22:48] <coyote544> what's launch pad
[22:53] <dergringo> I'd like to rename a project. What do I have to do?
[23:03] <wgrant> dergringo: Ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[23:04] <wgrant> An admin will then deal with it.
[23:04] <dergringo> wgrant, fine. Thank you.
[23:06] <andresmujica> hi!
[23:09] <andresmujica> i've got an upstream bug watch that is not updating right.. how can i diagnose that?
[23:09] <andresmujica> bug #297890
[23:18] <ploum> Hello
[23:18] <ploum> I've a question about package on my PPA
[23:19] <ploum> the exact same package put stuffs in /usr for intrepid and in /usr/local for jaunty
[23:19] <ploum> I don't understand why
[23:31] <wgrant> ploum: Python packaging standards changed for Python 2.6.
[23:32]  * wgrant digs out the relevant email.
[23:33] <ploum> wgrant: ok, so it's normal and I must expect my software to be installed in /usr/local ?
[23:33] <wgrant> No.
[23:33] <ploum> or do I need to change something to the package ?
[23:33] <wgrant> http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu-devel/2009-02/msg00352.html
[23:34] <wgrant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027439.html
[23:34] <wgrant> Your software cannot care where it is installed.
[23:34] <wgrant> You need to change something in debian/rules, yes.
[23:35] <wgrant> But if your software cares that it is in /usr/local, then it probably won't work.
[23:35] <ploum> no, I don't want it to be in /usr/local
[23:35] <ploum> thanks for the links
[23:35] <ploum> really interesting
[23:36] <wgrant> np
[23:36] <ploum> I'm now wondering where I should pass the "--install-layout=deb" option
[23:37] <ploum> (my package is a distutil package)


[16:46] <bobweaver> ping tgm4883  , When you get a chance I would like to talk about the possibility of making a lens (standalone) for the myth-scope Looks like the video scope. And your thoughts on that.
[16:47] <bobweaver> Just use the old "video-lens" and change the dbus path's and remove the videos-remote part


[01:15] <poolie> hi all
[01:16] <RAOF> Hey poolie
[05:45] <siretart> ScottK: s/CODEC_TYPE_VIDEO/AVMEDIA_TYPE_VIDEO/, and similar for audio
[08:00] <pitti> Good morning everyone
[08:05] <hrw> hello
[09:26] <Daviey> Is anyone able to fix the sponsorship queue?
[09:26] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[09:27] <pitti> hey tkamppeter
[09:28] <tkamppeter> pitti, it is about the color management Blueprint.
[09:28] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have done the needed packaging and MIR work as far as I could in the moment.
[09:29] <pitti> we currently have some trouble syncing colord from Debian, as we don't support tar.xz tarballs yet; but we can just reupload that as tar.bz2 or tar.gz for ubuntu
[09:30] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have updated argyll and libiccc, now with one source package (argyll), but it is still in the NEW queue due to the new binary packages. To get also the MIR (still TODO) done before FF we need to get it through the NEW queue quickly.
[09:31] <tkamppeter> pitti, does this mean that we do not get colord in in time? Or do we need to have our own independent package for one cycle until we get a new dpkg in the next cycle?
[09:32] <pitti> tkamppeter: it's a launchpad issue, not dpkg; RAOF can just reupload it in time for FF
[09:33] <tkamppeter> pitti, we also need to sync in the new package icc-profiles from Debian non-free to Multiverse and then MIR it into Restricted.
[09:34] <tkamppeter> pitti, is it a problem to do the MIRs and rebuild CUPS, Foomatic, Ghostscript, and g-c-c with colord support after FF?
[09:34] <pitti> this is a new feature, so it'll need a FFE, yes
[09:35] <seb128> well we should be able to land that before ff
[09:35] <seb128> like the package is ready, I will ping mterry and didrocks for review
[09:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, can there be done one FFE bug report for the whole color management stack?
[09:35] <pitti> tkamppeter: icc-profiles is already in oneiric/multiverse
[09:35] <seb128> then rebuilds are easy to di
[09:35] <seb128> do
[09:35] <pitti> tkamppeter: yes, with individual tasks for the affected sources
[09:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, so icc-profiles is ready for a MIR?
[09:36] <pitti> seb128: well, you probably need an additional configure switch, new build dep, and testing
[09:36] <pitti> tkamppeter: yes
[09:37] <seb128> pitti, right, well for g-c-c that seems doable
[09:37] <seb128> not speaking about the other part of the stack
[09:37] <pitti> yes
[09:38] <tkamppeter> pitti, bug 821861 did not get an answer yet.
[09:39] <pitti> tkamppeter: closed
[09:39] <tjaalton> seems like oneiric fails to mount ntfs partitions on boot
[09:39] <tkamppeter> pitti, also closed.
[09:39] <pitti> meh, LP is timeout-o-rama today
[09:40] <pitti> every other bug operation times out
[09:40] <tjaalton> "serious errors were found while checking the disk drive..", though it mounts just fine later on
[09:42] <RAOF> pitti: Launchpad *can't* handle .tar.xz when syncing, but will happily accept PPA uploads with .tar.xz?  Strange.
[09:43] <pitti> RAOF: hm, bug 619152 sas it's still pending in LP
[09:43] <pitti> RAOF: did you try it with a PPA?
[09:46] <RAOF> pitti: Yeah.  Well, Laney did.  Let me see... yeah, bug #742408 is the relevant one.  619152 is for debs with xz compression, not orig.tar.xz
[09:46] <RAOF> Have you tried syncing it across, and it failed?
[09:47] <RAOF> Time to make dinner!
[09:47] <pitti> RAOF: yes, see #u-desktop
[09:48] <tkamppeter> pitti, MIR for icc-profiles posted.
[09:48] <Laney> don't confuse .data.tar.gz with .orig.tar.gz
[09:49] <Laney> the latter works, the former does not
[09:49] <Laney> I can manually upload colord if you want?
[09:49] <tkamppeter> pitti, as bug 822587
[09:52] <pitti> Laney: perhaps the internal sync tool has an extra check for that still, so it's worth a try
[09:52] <Laney> ok
[09:53] <cjwatson> Laney: wait please?
[09:53] <Laney> ok
[09:53] <cjwatson> Laney: I want to investigate this
[09:53] <Laney> /just/ in time
[09:53] <Laney> I was hovering over enter :-)
[09:54] <cjwatson> it's good news that Debian supports .orig.tar.xz now though
[09:55] <cjwatson> pitti: what was your sync-source command line, please?
[09:55] <pitti> cjwatson: sync-source.py -b raof colord
[09:55] <tkamppeter> pitti, there is also a small, trivial printer driver package in the NEW queue, rastertosag-gdi (bug 700141), which I want to get into main and two other printer driver MIRs: c2esp for Kodak inkjets (bug 821940) and ptouch-driver for Brother label printers (bug 821943). All rather small and simple packages, consuming nearly no CD space. Would be great to have them on the Oneiric CDs.
[09:58] <cjwatson> heh, that's easy, it's a flush-syncs bug :-
[09:58] <cjwatson> )
[09:58] <cjwatson> shonky script that it is
[09:58] <cjwatson> synced
[09:58] <Laney> woop
[09:59] <pitti> \o/ thanks cjwatson
[10:00] <Laney> I think that's the first .orig.tar.xz package in Debian
[10:00] <Laney> go RAOF!
[10:34] <CoreStyx> hello, read a lot, but what is the truth: Bug, Feature, etc. ? mdadm -> RAID -> /dev/md0 ->on top lvm volume -> udevd-work : inotify_add_watch(6, /dev/md0,10)failed, No such file or directory
[10:40] <cjwatson> that sounds like you should file a bug
[10:40] <cjwatson> I don't see how it could possibly be a feature
[10:41] <cjwatson> RAID on LVM is fairly unusual (though not unheard of; I do know of somebody else using it, although not on a current Ubuntu system), so I expect it's simply poorly tested
[10:41] <CoreStyx> some people say it´s a bug, but if it would be possilbe to instruct udev to leave /dev/md0 alone instead install the watcher on /dev/mapper/lvofmd0
[10:42] <CoreStyx> but I can´t try it because I don´t know where to start on this
[10:42] <cjwatson> I don't know what the proper fix is, and wouldn't like to guess on the fly
[10:42] <cjwatson> as I say, I recommend you file a bug
[10:44] <CoreStyx> ok ... because a bug need to be proofed as a bug... and as i try to say... if somebody can tell me where to start remapping udev it would be a fix/workaround without having a developer look into it
[10:44] <CoreStyx> but ... no problem... where do I file a bug
[10:45] <cjwatson> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[10:45] <CoreStyx> thx
[10:46] <cjwatson> in this case I have a suspicion that providing a workaround is about as difficult as providing a fix
[10:46] <debfx> cjwatson: is there a way to avoid having xterm pulled onto the kubuntu cd? I think the problem is that xorg (seeded in desktop-common) depends on xterm | x-terminal-emulator
[10:47] <debfx> and konsole (which provides x-terminal-emulator) is seeded in kubuntu-common
[10:47] <cjwatson> debfx: can't answer without investigating, but I'll have a look
[10:48] <cjwatson> debfx: is this a new problem?
[10:49] <debfx> cjwatson: no, I just noticed it because xterm gained a .desktop file
[10:50] <cjwatson> I expect fixing it would require xorg to be moved to each of the flavour-specific desktop/kubuntu-common/whatever seeds
[10:50] <cjwatson> doesn't the fallback X session make some specific use of xterm though?
[10:51]  * cjwatson is reluctant to rearrange that himself rather than letting the X people do it
[10:57] <RAOF> cjwatson: I'm not as familiar with failsafeX as bryceh is, but I don't *think* it uses xterm.
[10:59] <tjaalton> the dependency comes from debian
[11:00] <tjaalton> xorg is just a convenience metapackage
[11:01] <debfx> xinit also pulls in xterm
[11:01] <RAOF> Because _that_ has a default behaviour of starting an xterm, yes.
[11:02] <tjaalton> debfx: so you don't want to see {u,}xterm in kde menus?
[11:04] <debfx> tjaalton: I want to drop the package from the cd unless there is a good reason not to
[11:06] <cjwatson> I don't think I meant failsafeX; I think I meant one of the sessions that gdm or something used to offer
[11:06] <cjwatson> perhaps not relevant any more
[11:06] <tjaalton> gdm ships xsessions/xterm.desktop
[11:07] <tjaalton> though it doesn't depend on xterm..
[11:07] <tjaalton> debfx: that's hard :)
[11:07] <cjwatson> of course there's nothing wrong with seeding xterm in ubuntu.oneiric/desktop or something if we want
[11:08] <cjwatson> the basic problem here is that germinate doesn't (and can't be allowed to) know about what's in kubuntu-common when it's processing desktop-common
[11:09] <cjwatson> it will process dependencies in desktop-common as if kubuntu-common didn't exist; if that means that xterm is the most obvious package to select to satisfy xorg's dependency, it will do so
[11:43] <jayvee> you wouldn't think that a debian-based distro should have its dev channel suffixied with -devel
[11:43]  * jayvee shrugs
[11:44] <jayvee> I'm trying to debug a segfaulting totem but having trouble generating a stack trace (gnome 3 ppa I know, but this is a generic question)
[11:44] <jayvee> ulimit -c unlimited
[11:44] <jayvee> totem
[11:44] <jayvee> gdb totem core
[11:44] <jayvee> bt
[11:44] <jayvee> produces nothing but ?????'s
[11:44] <jayvee> however, totem-dbg is installed
[11:44] <jayvee> you'd think at least *some* of the trace would be filled
[11:45] <cjwatson> jayvee: dev channel> huh?  Debian's development channel follows the same naming pattern
[11:45] <jayvee> cjwatson: I jest, I jest
[11:45] <cjwatson> I see
[11:45] <cjwatson> perhaps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash will help you
[11:54] <jayvee> okay well now I have a backtrace
[11:55] <jayvee> but now I realise I don't have nearly enough knowledge to debug the problem
[11:56] <jayvee> before I get kicked out of the channel for running unsupported software, can somebody recommend a place where I won't get my head bitten off if I ask for help debugging this gnome3 ppa issue?
[12:45] <cjwatson> jayvee: I don't know if it's the correct channel, but perhaps #ubuntu-desktop is at least a more targeted place to ask
[12:52] <jayvee> thanks
[12:52] <jayvee> interestingly enough, the problem has mysteriously vanished
[13:12] <berdario> hello
[13:13] <berdario> I tried to join ubuntu-iso and ubuntu-boot
[13:13] <berdario> but it seem that nobody's around there
[13:13] <berdario> I'm trying to look into information into an ubuntu bug
[13:14] <berdario> I'm not into #ubuntu-bugs because this has already been reported and confirmed (for the wrong package, actually...)
[13:14] <berdario> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/774089?comments=all
[13:15] <berdario> basically, I'm interested in this, since a friend of mine got this, and I was trying to help him
[13:15] <berdario> it seems that at least 21 people (surely more) got their macbooks half-bricked by installing ubuntu
[13:15] <berdario> (there're also some youtube videos that document this problem)
[13:16] <berdario> basically... I'm here for 2 things:
[13:18] <berdario> get in contact with whoever decided to integrate efibootmgr into ubuntu, understand why, and eventually... if possible... try to fix the bug (I don't have the hardware here, but maybe I could arrange to meet my friend quite soon)
[13:18] <berdario> and the 2nd thing, especially if it isn't possible to fix... prompt someone to look into the bug
[13:19] <berdario> because people are requesting that the release notes should be updated with it, and to warn people, it seems a quite reasonable request
[13:19] <berdario> about efibootmgr:
[13:20] <berdario> it's a software developed by dell's Matt Domsch
[13:20] <berdario> apparently it leverages upon elilo
[13:20] <berdario> this alone, seems strange to me
[13:21] <berdario> I mean: ubuntu has always used grub by default (I even tried to use grub-efi and it was working fine)
[13:21] <berdario> mixing elilo and grub seems like asking for trouble imho, but maybe I'm missing something
[13:22] <berdario> on top of that, the last update to efibootmgr
[13:22] <berdario> has been on 2008
[13:22] <berdario> the strange thing is that efibootmgr has been included in ubuntu (and only the 64bit cd) right now
[13:22] <berdario> it's present in the 11.04 disc
[13:22] <berdario> but it's absent from the 10.04.3 disc
[13:23] <berdario> so, I guess the decision to integrate it has been taken quite recently
[13:30] <ScottK> siretart: Thanks.  I now remember you had to tell me that before.  Maybe I'll manage to remember it this time.
[13:31] <berdario> ScottK: sorry if I bother you, but since you're here
[13:31] <berdario> do you know who I can refer to for decisions concerning mac support?
[13:32] <ScottK> For EFI install issues, probably in #ubuntu-installer.
[13:33] <ScottK> And IIRC, you're right.  11.04 was the first release to support EFI for boot on Macs.
[13:39] <berdario> ok, thanks... I'll look there
[13:55] <kelemengabor> hi pitti, do you have a few minutes? dpm uploaded some updated langpacks to natty-proposed, but my update-manager can't see them. could you check what happened to them?
[14:13] <jml> Hello, I've just submitted a very simple patch – https://code.launchpad.net/~jml/ubuntu/oneiric/python-defaults/swallow-stderr-812960/+merge/70744. Not really sure what happens now.
[14:14] <nigelb> it shows up on the sponsorship page and someone picks it to be sponsored.
[14:15] <geser> btw: is the sponsoring page broken or does my link point to the wrong location?
[14:15] <Laney> looks broken to me
[14:15] <nigelb> geser: strange. I was just about to ask the same question
[14:15] <Laney> uh oh, and bdrung and dholbach are both away
[14:16] <nigelb> I'm using pre-beta browser, so I thought it was just me.
[14:16] <geser> Laney: you know, as usual such bugs only happen when everybody who knows how to fix them is on vacation
[14:18] <infinity> jml: You might also want to poke doko and/or ScottK about getting your patch into Debian.
[14:19] <infinity> jml: (The patch itself looks good and obviously correct to me, if I wasn't running to breakfast, I'd sponsor it to Ubuntu for you, but it may as well go to Debian anyway)
[14:19] <jml> infinity: thanks. I'll do that.
[14:23] <ipc> howdy… can someone point me to more information re: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core ?
[14:24] <ScottK> jml: I've asked the dh_python2 developer (POX) to look at it.  Assuming he agrees (I'd be surprised if he didn't), I'll commit it to the Debian VCS for the package.
[14:24] <ipc> the procedure mentions unpacking 'Ubuntu Core' but not where to download the archive
[14:25] <nigelb> geser: heh
[14:25] <nigelb> geser: "knowing" how to fix isn't a problem. Access to fix it is differnt ;)
[14:25] <nigelb> I could probably spend a fe minutes and understand it.
[14:26] <Laney> i'm sure you can find someone to deploy it for you
[14:26] <Laney> dunno where the code is though
[14:26] <nigelb> yeah, I'm looking around for that.
[14:27] <infinity> ipc: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/
[14:27] <ipc> beautiful
[14:27] <ipc> thanks!
[14:28]  * infinity was not aware persia had written that wiki page...
[14:28] <infinity> ipc: His page doesn't, for instance, mention that we only ship -core tarballs for armel right now.  So, hopefully that's what you want. ;)
[14:29] <geser> nigelb: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-sponsoring/trunk
[14:29] <nigelb> Just got there.
[14:30] <nigelb> So, ~ubuntu-dev can commit to it, so someone can merge changes in.
[14:30] <nigelb> Now to find the fix.
[14:30] <ogra_> infinity, 35M ? we should really lose some fat here :P
[14:31] <ipc> infinity: I'm just eager to get a peek :)  I really like the whole idea
[14:31] <ogra_> seems the release subdir is lacking the manifest
[14:31] <infinity> ogra_: I know, I know.
[14:31] <infinity> I have a TODO about fixing the release scripts to love -core correctly.
[14:31] <infinity> But it's also a day off today, so.  Later. ;)
[14:31] <ipc> thanks, take care!
[14:32] <ogra_> yeah, cure your jetlag !
[14:33] <infinity> Syrup and waffles cure everything.
[14:34] <ogra_> not without coffee though
[14:35] <ScottK> jml: Committed to bzr in Debian.  Thanks.
[14:37] <ScottK> jml: http://alioth.debian.org/scm/loggerhead/pkg-python/python-defaults-debian/revision/261?start_revid=261
[14:38] <nigelb> Loggerhead? Interesting.
[14:40] <nigelb> Didn't know it was a separate project till now :)
[14:43] <cjwatson> always has been
[14:46] <jml> ScottK: thanks
[14:47] <jml> ScottK: is there stuff I should (could?) have done to make that easier for you? Work that you did that I could have done myself?
[14:48] <cjwatson> hallyn: does http://paste.ubuntu.com/661171/ look right to you?  I have a sync from Debian I'd like to do (for WPA support in d-i) that requires libnl3, and it seems like least paperwork if we just convert everything in main to libnl3 in one go ...
[14:48] <cjwatson> hallyn: I can't really test that, but it does at least build
[14:49] <ScottK> jml: If the branch had been against the current python-defaults head in Debian, that would have made it easier, but it's a bit unreasonable for me to expect you to know that.  Including a proposed debian/changelog entry would have been good.
[14:49] <ScottK> Personally I like using diff and patch better than VCS merges, but eventually I'll get over it, I'm sure.
[14:49] <jml> ScottK: you would have had to change the 'who' bit of the changelog if I had provided such an entry, right?
[14:50] <ScottK> jml: If you had, I probably would have left your name on it rather than mentioning you in the text of the entry.
[14:50] <ScottK> dch makes it trivially easy to change it in any case.
[14:51] <jml> ScottK: ok, thanks.
[15:10] <hallyn> cjwatson: (at a sprint this week, sorry for slow responses) : i don't know what that lib is offhand.
[15:16] <cjwatson> hallyn: the netlink socket handling library
[15:17] <cjwatson> you were just last uploader, maybe I should be asking somebody else
[15:21] <hallyn> cjwatson: is there an open bug for this?
[15:25] <cjwatson> no
[15:25] <cjwatson> just from discussion here and on #ubuntu-desktop today
[15:33] <jtaylor> barry: hi, you did you get my argparse message?
[15:34] <barry> jtaylor: i did, but i'm just back from a week off so still catching up
[15:46] <Laney> would appreciate a moderation on u-d-a, providing the mail is alright
[15:50] <cjwatson> Laney: done
[15:51] <Laney> ty
[16:02] <pitti> kelemengabor: hm, they are not in the unapproved queue
[16:03] <kelemengabor> pitti: dpm swears he uploaded... to somewhere
[16:03] <kelemengabor> but as he is now on holiday, we cannot ask :(
[16:03] <pitti> kelemengabor: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-es/+changelog
[16:03] <pitti> kelemengabor: seems someone actually accepted them
[16:04] <cjwatson> I did
[16:04] <cjwatson> was that OK?
[16:04] <pitti> they should be fine, yes
[16:04] <cjwatson> skaet was asking about them
[16:04] <pitti> thank you
[16:04] <kelemengabor> cjwatson: thanks!
[16:04] <pitti> kelemengabor: so you can send out the call for testing
[16:04] <cjwatson> that was only about an hour ago though, so they may not quite be on mirrors yet
[16:04] <kelemengabor> sure, in a moment
[16:08] <kelemengabor> hm, not yet on the main server, I'll wait a bit
[16:08] <pitti> kelemengabor: they'll also need a couple of hours to build
[16:09] <pitti> kelemengabor: see https://launchpad.net/builders
[16:09] <kelemengabor> oh... I thought these are already the binaries :(
[17:08] <jtaylor> is a MIR planed for underscore? it would be needed for a new python-sphinx version which has the very useful dh_sphinxdoc debhelper
[17:44] <jtaylor> uglifyjs is also needed for it
[18:38] <tkamppeter> pitti, ping
[18:57] <mdeslaur> Is it a known issue that nothing is setting XAUTHORITY on oneiric alpha3?
[19:06] <micahg> can someone give synaptic back please
[19:11] <mdeslaur> Is there no way to add rights to a user using "User Accounts" in oneiric anymore?
[19:15] <cyphermox> micahg: doing it now
[19:17] <micahg> cyphermox: thanks
[19:38] <roadmr> hey folks! gconf{video,audio}sink are no longer in gstreamer0.10-plugins-good, and the replacement gsettings{audio,video}sink are in gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, are there plans to move this to -good?
[20:27] <ScottK> doko: Could you re-run your dh_python2 conversion script against the Kubuntu desktop manifest so I can find out if there are any additional packages we need to convert for Kubuntu (I think they are all done).
[20:29] <doko> ScottK: it's just running grep-dctrl for the status file from the image
[20:29] <doko> barry: ^^^
[20:30] <ScottK> So you're going to make me have to think about it ...
[20:30] <ScottK> OK.
[20:30] <barry> ;)
[20:30] <doko> trying to catch up on things, so this is not my priority
[20:31] <doko> no, I didn't save the command
[20:31] <micahg> ScottK: you could also look at the germinate output for the kubuntu seeds
[21:02] <dupondje> aptitude broke down ? :)
[21:03] <micahg> no, there's an apt transition in progress
[21:04] <dupondje> hehe ok, lets hope apt-get keeps working to upgrade ^^
[21:16] <slangasek> cyphermox: is there a transition plan for libnl3?  there are a number of other packages besides NM using libnl1 in main
[21:19] <bryceh> @pilot in
[21:22] <bryceh> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ seems to be busted
[21:22] <dupondje> yea
[21:22] <dupondje> since some days
[21:24] <bryceh> jeez the UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews wiki page is wordy...
[21:27] <tormod> bryceh, can you please sync #808679 ?
[21:34] <bryceh> tormod, hmm not sure I have rights for doing syncs
[21:35] <tormod> bryceh, as a dev you can ack it and sub u-a
[21:36] <bryceh> tormod, well I can do that, although I think you need someone with archive rights to actually sync it
[21:40] <bryceh> tormod, sound good?
[21:40] <tormod> bryceh, yes thanks, it will surely help
[21:42] <bryceh> hmm, this makes me curious why sync requests go through ubuntu-sponsors?  wouldn't it make more sense for them to go directly to ubuntu-archive?
[21:42] <Laney> because they are the same as any other upload
[21:42] <micahg> bryceh: the syncs aren't always appropriate/buildable
[21:42] <Laney> and need to be checked for sanity
[21:43] <tormod> bryceh, I guess it is to spare the u-a people from all kinds of requests from non-devs
[21:43] <bryceh> couldn't someone with ill intentions just sub ubuntu-archive directly?
[21:44] <Laney> i suppose archive admins check that syncs have been properly acked
[21:44] <micahg> it's to spare the AAs from having to verify the syncs
[21:44] <bryceh> hmm interesting *shrug*
[21:44] <bryceh> seems like a loosey goosey process to me but whatever :-)
[21:45] <micahg> when people subscribe AAs directly, it usually gets kicked back to the sponsor queue unless the AA is feeling benevolent
[21:46] <micahg> s/AAs/u-a/
[22:08] <natschil> Good day. Is there an easy way of making a script/ubuntu package for ubuntu that will make changes to a script that is in /lib persistent even if the script is updated by the package system?
[22:17] <RAOF> natschil: It sounds like you're after dpkg-divert
[22:20] <bryceh> micahg_, how about sync requests that are pulling new packages into ubuntu?  Do those just get passed on to -archive or do they need further processing/review?
[22:20] <natschil> RAOF: cool. but doesn't that simply lock a file completely for any updates? though maybe that is what I want.
[22:20] <bryceh> micahg_, e.g. #821550
[22:20] <micahg_> bryceh: same deal, make sure the package is something we want in this cycle and make sure it's buildable
[22:21] <micahg_> bryceh: and that's already in oneiric :)
[22:23] <ajmitch> I think the point of that sync is just so that it autosyncs next time
[22:23] <bryceh> ajmitch, won't it require a fakesync?
[22:23] <micahg_> yep, but most of those aren't worth doing at this point
[22:24] <ajmitch> bryceh: only if the orig.tar.gz is different
[22:24] <micahg_> i.e. explicitly filing bugs for those syncs, not processing existing ones filed
[22:27] <micahg_> unless there's something else interesting in the Debian upload
[22:28] <bryceh> micahg_, ok so you think these types of sync requests (with no functional changes other than the version number) should be wontfixed?
[22:29] <micahg_> bryceh: no, you can process them, but inform the requestor that efforts are best spent elsewhere (the time to do them are before DIF since they have no affect afterwards)
[22:29] <Laney> you might as well ack them if someone has taken the time to check, but advise the submitter that it could have waited until next cycle (and if they want they can put a note on mom to indicate they have checked)
[22:30] <ajmitch> hopefully by then they'll be syncable via the LP UI/API
[22:33] <micahg_> it took a while for me to understand the reasoning, but now I agree with it
[22:34] <bryceh> alrighty, thanks
[22:40] <natschil> RAOF: thanks for the help, I think I'll use dpkg-divert
[22:47] <ion> Cool, aptitude segfaults now. :-)
[22:49] <RAOF> Oh, it's missing appropriate dependencies for the apt transition?
[22:50] <ion> It seems libapt-something was updated but apt was held back. aptitude segfaulted after that upgrade. When i upgraded apt with ‘apt-get install apt’, that removed aptitude.
[22:51] <slangasek> so a no-longer-installed package segfaults?
[22:52] <ion> aptitude safe-upgrade: apt was held back, libapt-something was updated, aptitude stayed installed. After that: aptitude segfaulted. apt-get install apt: apt was updated and aptitude was removed.
[22:52] <slangasek> ah
[22:58] <cjwatson> slangasek: all the libnl reverse-build-deps are in progress
[22:59] <cjwatson> slangasek: I asked for that change because WPA support in netcfg depends on a new wpasupplicant version which switched to libnl3, and that's a pretty high-value thing
[22:59] <cjwatson> I think we can manage it
[23:11] <slangasek> cjwatson: ok, no worries - just hadn't heard anything prior to seeing it show up in the components-mismatches list, and it was worrying to see that it was a separate source package
[23:14] <cjwatson> slangasek: libnl3 ought to supersede libnl in main; I'm not sure why it's separate in Debian, but there were only eight reverse build-deps so I'm working to make sure we can just swap it
[23:15] <cjwatson> (presumably because there are some API changes as well as just ABI)
[23:19]  * slangasek nods


[02:12] <Qjimbo> Hi
[02:13] <Qjimbo> I was wondering if there are any audio drivers for the DigiDesign Mbox 1 avaliable for Ubuntu? At the moment I'm using the Ploytec drivers on Windows and they work great but I want to move over to UbuntuStudio and use it with Ardour
[02:15] <persia> Looks like there is work-in-progress for it (http://www.zamaudio.com/?p=97) but I'm unsure if it's in the Ubuntu kernels.
[02:15] <Qjimbo> hmm thats for the Mbox 2 unfortunatly
[02:16] <persia> Hum.  Dunno then.  You'll want to search.
[02:17] <Qjimbo> alright been trying, not found anything
[02:18] <Qjimbo> figured there might be some others, Digidesign recently dropped Mbox 1 support in their latest Pro Tools patch
[02:18] <Qjimbo> meaning there's no official windows 7 support for the mbox 1
[02:19] <persia> Oh lovely :(
[02:20] <Qjimbo> yep, gotta love proprietary software/hardware combos :P
[03:00] <Qjimbo> where is the best place to make a support forum post regarding Ubuntu Studio?
[03:02] <persia> For what kind of support?
[03:03] <persia> I'm sure the answer is somewhere in forums.ubuntu.com, but more specifically is tricky, and if you're looking for application support for some of the more specific applications, there are some more well-targeted application-specific fora
[03:05] <Qjimbo> well I just wanted to post the question I asked here about the mbox 1, just wanted to know the best place
[03:05] <Qjimbo> seeing as it's a very audio-person kinda specific question
[03:06] <Qjimbo> the mbox isn't a general piece of hardware a lot of people have
[03:12] <persia> I'd probably add it to "Hardware & Laptops" or "Ubuntu Studio" at forums.ubuntu.com, but somewhere more general (you're looking for an ALSA driver) might be better.
[03:24] <Qjimbo> alright thanks
[17:28] <Riddell> is ubuntustudio taking any past in the RC release?
[17:29] <holstein> hmmm
[17:29] <holstein> you mean, is ubuntustudio in feature freeze?
[17:30] <holstein> ubuntu is, and i assume the official derivatives need to stick to that too
[17:53] <sinman> I'm having a slight problem, not getting the graphical login, instead i have to login at the command prompt username/password then once logged in i have to type startx everytime. how can i fix this
[17:53] <holstein> lucid?
[17:53] <holstein> is this ubuntustudio?
[17:53] <holstein> or the vanilla install with the packages added?
[17:53] <sinman> yes using ubuntu 10.04 lucid
[17:54] <holstein> i would look at the login theme
[17:54] <holstein> try changing it or reinstalling it
[17:54] <sinman> k
[17:54] <holstein> i think changing it to another one would tell you something
[17:54] <holstein> if it works or not
[17:55] <holstein> sinman: did you install KDE ?
[17:55] <sinman> no using gnome
[17:55] <holstein> yeah, sounds like a little glitch
[17:56] <sinman> it was working fine up until couple days ago when it started with th ecommand prompt login
[17:57] <holstein> sinman: try updating first as well
[17:57] <sinman> how would i get X to start again on bootup, i think X got turned off somehow
[17:57] <holstein> maybe that will just fix it
[17:57] <sinman> I'm completly updated
[17:58] <holstein> hmmm
[17:59] <sinman> is there a way to get X to start when the computer starts
[17:59] <holstein> http://tech.akom.net/archives/46-Disabling-X-server-autostart-gdm-on-Ubuntu-Karmic-9.10.html
[17:59] <holstein> ^^ thats backwards
[17:59] <holstein> and for karmic
[17:59] <holstein> but i would think it would be similar
[18:00] <sinman> k i'll check it out and see what happens
[18:03] <sinman> I'm not seeing runlevel I see "stop on runlevel [016]"
[18:04] <holstein> hmmm
[18:04] <holstein> we need an X guy
[18:04] <holstein> i remember dealing with that before
[18:04] <holstein> and i forget how
[18:05] <holstein> i think i ended up reinstalling for other reasons before i sorted that out
[18:05] <sinman> I'm on the verge of doing that myself, but want to try to fix first before i do that
[18:05] <holstein> nah
[18:06] <holstein> somebody will know
[18:06] <holstein> you should check logs too
[18:06] <holstein> and im not sure which ones
[18:06] <holstein> i ask everything over in #opensourcemusicians anyways ;)
[18:06] <holstein> you got a good loco channel?
[18:06] <sinman> asking in the #ubuntu channel to see if someone knows how I can change the runlevel
[18:07] <holstein> http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[18:07] <holstein> and #ubuntu-beginners
[18:07] <holstein> #ubuntu can be challenging
[18:07] <sinman> yes it can be
[18:07] <sinman> I'll check the beginners channel
[18:27] <mika__> hi... i've finally installed ubuntu studio + the m-audio fast track ultra audio card....it's recognized (lsusb and jack)... but it doesn't play :(
[18:27] <mika__> (running 10.10beta)
[18:28] <holstein> hey mika__
[18:29] <holstein> does JACK start?
[18:29] <holstein> is it using the maudio for certain?
[18:33] <mika__> when i try to start jack it says could not connect to jack server as client: overall option failed ; unable to connect to server
[18:33] <holstein> AH
[18:33] <mika__> (i opened qjackctl)
[18:34] <holstein> so JACK is not recognizing the maudio
[18:34] <holstein> maybe
[18:34] <holstein> in jackcontrol
[18:34] <holstein> you'll need to select the maudio
[18:34] <mika__> in the config i'm able to select the card as input and output device (with the > button)
[18:34] <holstein> OK
[18:34] <holstein> uncheck the realtime box
[18:34] <mika__> (and it recognize it as it says: hw:1 fast track ultra)
[18:34] <mika__> already did
[18:34] <holstein> make sure your in the audio group
[18:35] <holstein> and go for it
[18:36] <mika__> i'm part of the audio group
[18:36] <holstein> you can try sudo qjackctl
[18:36] <holstein> see if it starts that way
[18:36] <mika__> same
[18:37] <holstein> did it work in lucid?
[18:37] <mika__> didn't tried
[18:37] <mika__> i installed directly maverick
[18:38] <mika__> in the ubuntu sound preferences under the hardware tab it doesn't find any card
[18:38] <mika__> and in the output i've just a dummy output
[18:39] <holstein> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
[18:39] <holstein> i would try ^^
[18:39] <holstein> live
[18:39] <holstein> thats basically lucid live
[18:40] <mika__> cool
[18:40] <holstein> you can...
[18:40] <mika__> btw i don't think it'll work under 10.4 :(
[18:40] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:41] <holstein> your jack log
[18:41] <holstein> mika__: what makes you say that?
[18:41] <mika__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=846717&page=2
[18:41] <mika__> I used Ubuntu 10.10 beta, and simply plugged the device in, and within audacity set the interface to ALSA and the record and playback device to the M-audio option. By default the 8r handles audio at 48KHz, so don't forget to change your project sample rate.
[18:42] <mika__> here he say it worked immediately with 10.10 (it's another model.. more professional, but the basic should be the same..)
[18:42] <holstein> nah
[18:42] <holstein> it doesnt have to be
[18:42] <holstein> the models can have quite different chipsets
[18:42] <mika__> (the problem is also that on that pc i don't have internet because the cable doesn't work and i haven't the wifi on it :( )
[18:42] <mika__> ok
[18:43] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-MAudio
[18:43] <holstein> theres an alsa update script
[18:45] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810#post6589810
[18:46] <holstein> i dont see the fast track ultra
[18:46] <mika__> on 10.10 is already the 1.0.23
[18:46] <holstein> cool
[18:47] <holstein> i would hang out over in #opensourcemusicians
[18:47] <holstein> and ask
[18:47] <holstein> somebody over there might have one
[18:47] <holstein> i would let maudio know about it
[18:47] <holstein> and maybe email the list
[18:48] <mika__> ok


[00:10] <xivulon> cjwatson, this is the logs after changing the preseed.cfg as indicated: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5064763&postcount=39
[00:12] <cjwatson> argh why do people insist on using sendspace
[00:12] <cjwatson> May 28 20:27:23 ubuntu partman-auto-loop: Error: Partition number 5 not found in /var/lib/partman/devices/=dev=sda
[00:13] <cjwatson> which appears to be because libparted doesn't recognise any partitions at all on /dev/sda
[00:13] <cjwatson> I need the output of 'sudo od -tx1 -Ax -N512 /dev/sda' from a terminal window on the live CD
[00:14] <cjwatson> (extract hex dump of boot sector, including partition table
[00:14] <cjwatson> )
[00:14] <cjwatson> sounds like it could conceivably be a bug I just fixed in parted, but it might be something else
[00:17] <cjwatson> I'll post a followup
[00:18] <cjwatson> I hate bug reports in forums threads, the only way I can get decent mail notifications is to sign up for a horrendous amount of junk mail, and everyone attaches files in crazy ways
[00:21] <TheMuso> cjwatson: Thats why I try and avoid forums altogether. :p IMO they are not efficient for any form of development/bug workflow.
[04:57] <superm1> TheMuso, the problem is sometimes users aren't willing (or able in some cases) to learn how to use launchpad.  I've learned this the hard way with mythbuntu as i suspect xivulon has encountered with wubi.  once you start to get a non technical audience involved, you have to walk them through a lot, and suddenly throwing them into oh please file a bug against X package at this brand new website that you have to register for and then keep
[04:57] <superm1>  up on bug mail...
[04:57] <superm1> yeah
[05:01] <TheMuso> This is true.
[07:59] <SATA> can anybody explain how the debian-installer works in ubuntu?
[08:24] <SATA>  can anybody explain how the debian-installer works in ubuntu?
[08:30] <soren> SATA: You fill in the blanks, click next a few times, and you're done.
[08:30] <SATA> soren, I could'nt get you?
[08:31] <soren> You put in the CD, you answer the questions, and that's it.
[08:32] <SATA> soren, can you clearify?
[08:32] <SATA> soren,  I couldnt get you.
[08:32] <soren> Which part is unclear?
[08:32] <SATA> soren, i placed my kernel in extra section. I created a iso.
[08:33] <SATA> soren,: which cd are you talking about?
[08:33] <soren> server.
[08:33] <SATA> yea
[08:34] <SATA> soren, what should i do to install the customized kernel by default.
[08:35] <soren> Depends.
[08:35] <soren> Changing the preseed to choose your kernel might be a good start.
[08:36] <SATA> how? I just added another kernel in /pool/extra/... section . I tried to change the preseed file, But how. what should i write in place of linux-server?
[08:38] <SATA> this is the line for kernel: d-i     base-installer/kernel/override-image    string linux-server
[08:39] <SATA> soren, any hint?
[08:40] <soren> What's your kernel image called?
[08:41] <SATA> linux-image-2.6.24-16-openvz_2.6.24-16.30_i386.deb
[08:41] <SATA> I downloaded it from http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.24-16-openvz_2.6.24-16.30_i386.deb
[08:41] <soren> Then put d-i     base-installer/kernel/override-image    string  linux-image-2.6.24-16-openvz
[08:42] <SATA> thanx
[09:26] <SATA> soren, can you help me to add package's for automatic installation during the installation from cd.
[09:26] <SATA> for server-cd
[09:29] <soren> You should look at the example preseed file. It has examples for that sort of thing.
[09:34] <SATA> soren, ok
[11:55] <CIA-1> net-retriever: cjwatson * r349 ubuntu/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
[11:55] <CIA-1> net-retriever: Deduplicate Packages files before passing them to anna (LP: #234486).
[11:55] <CIA-1> net-retriever: Circumstances conspire to make this excessively difficult, including
[11:55] <CIA-1> net-retriever: requiring net-retriever to become Architecture: any; this should really
[11:55] <CIA-1> net-retriever: be done in libdebian-installer, but for the meantime that's even harder.
[11:56] <CIA-1> net-retriever: cjwatson * r350 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog net-retriever):
[11:56] <CIA-1> net-retriever: Fetch packages from security host if trying to fetch them from the main
[11:56] <CIA-1> net-retriever: host fails (LP: #94398).
[12:00] <CIA-1> net-retriever: cjwatson * r347 hardy-proposed/ (6 files in 2 dirs): backport r349 and r350 from trunk
[12:42] <CIA-1> net-retriever: cjwatson * r351 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.21ubuntu2
[12:58] <CIA-1> net-retriever: cjwatson * r348 hardy-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.18ubuntu5
[13:16] <CIA-1> net-retriever: cjwatson * r352 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog control):
[13:16] <CIA-1> net-retriever: Build-depend on libdebian-installer4-dev; add ${shlibs:Depends} to
[13:16] <CIA-1> net-retriever: net-retriever's dependencies.
[13:17] <CIA-1> net-retriever: cjwatson * r353 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.21ubuntu3
[13:18] <CIA-1> net-retriever: cjwatson * r348 hardy-proposed/debian/control: backport r352 from trunk
[13:21] <CIA-1> net-retriever: cjwatson * r349 hardy-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.18ubuntu5
[17:54]  * cjwatson worries that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parted/+bug/235998/comments/4 sounds like me trying to socially-engineer the bug reporter into extracting sensitive data from his disk for me, but there's not much I can do about that :(
[17:54] <cjwatson> "hi, please run this incomprehensible command for me"
[17:57] <evand> heh
[17:58] <cjwatson> how is 8.04.1 going for you? I have been sucked into low-level bug-fixing for the last couple of days and have not been able to pay attention to it all
[17:58] <mario_limonciell> geez, where' d that number come from? 193478656 seems rather arbitrary
[17:59] <cjwatson> it's 00 40 88 0b (offset 01e6 in their boot sector) interpreted as little-endian
[18:00] <cjwatson> the extended partition table isn't at a fixed location on the disk - it's just wherever the logical partitions it contains happen to fall
[18:00] <evand> If they're from the forums, they're used to running random commands that people throw at them.
[18:00] <cjwatson> 01e2 in the boot sector is 0x0f, which is the LBA extended partition type
[18:01] <evand> cjwatson: fairly well.  I've mostly been handling Wubi fixes, but as I've now got those all in I can focus on helping in other areas of the milestone list.
[18:01] <mario_limonciell> cjwatson, i'm hoping you had to refer to a guide that indicated what the different parts of the boot sector represented.  if you knew off the top of your head what that offset referred to, that's just scary :)
[18:02] <cjwatson> I referred to libparted's code
[18:02] <mario_limonciell> ah okay. that's much more sane
[18:03] <cjwatson> though after you've read a few boot sector dumps it's fairly easy to see; the partition table is the first 64 bytes out of the last 66 (the last 2 are the 55 aa magic number), in 16-byte blocks
[18:03] <cjwatson> so it lines up nicely in od output
[18:16] <cjwatson> evand: do you have anything else that goes in d-i initrds that you're planning to upload?
[18:16] <cjwatson> I'll need to organise a d-i upload at some point
[18:22] <evand> cjwatson: not that I can think of.
[20:58] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2683 ubiquity/debian/po/ (79 files): debconf-updatepo
[21:50] <evand> superm1: I'm going to step out for a few hours in a bit.  If you have any objection to a ubiquity build when I get back (probably around 11 PM EST), please let me know in here and I'll hold off.
[23:34] <superm1> okay will do


[15:19] <charlie-tca> To all the testers: we are now tracking daily testing on the qa.iso.ubuntu.com tracker
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Anybody able to do the full disk installs today?
[15:19] <madnick> yes, i will do it after the meeting
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[15:20] <GridCube> charlie-tca, alternate 32bits on vbox full install, its ok?
[15:21] <charlie-tca> yes, that would be great! It should be working in VBox again
[15:21] <GridCube> :)
[16:13] <madnick> hehe, forgot which channel the meeting was in :(
[16:20] <GridCube> madnick, do you know what "detailer specifications" should say? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/DefaultMediaPlayer
[16:20] <GridCube> i mean, what is it for?
[16:22] <madnick> Sorry no
[16:23] <GridCube> mmkay
[16:23] <GridCube> will ask knome then
[16:23] <ochosi> GridCube: i think what needs to be done generally is an in-depth application comparison between the current and the proposed default
[16:24] <GridCube> yes, but when it try to do that my patent dislike for gmusicbrowser doesnt let me be... mmm... objetive?
[16:25] <ochosi> then you're probably not the right person for that job?
[16:25] <GridCube> i said that, but then again im the one who wants we using a good music player instead of gmb on xubuntu
[16:25] <ochosi> i'm not saying that you can't be biased, but your bias can't be the sole basis of an app-comparison
[16:25] <GridCube> and i have to find a way of doing so being objetive so its taking time :P
[16:26] <ochosi> taking time is fine
[16:26] <GridCube> thats why it has a huge "work in progress" there :P
[16:27] <ochosi> right
[16:28] <GridCube> hey ochosi question, i've accidentally deleted the sound applet from my panel
[16:28] <ochosi> well, doing an app-comparison really should include quite a wide variety of aspects, even stuff that has nothing to do with usability (e.g. maintenance, packaging, health of the project)
[16:28] <ochosi> you mean the indicator?
[16:28] <GridCube> yes
[16:28] <GridCube> the one that also controls the music player
[16:28] <ochosi> then i guess you need to reinstall the package indicator-sound
[16:28] <GridCube> its installed, i've just removed it from the panel :/
[16:29] <ochosi> then you need to add the indicator-plugin back to the panel
[16:29] <ochosi> you can't remove one indicator by itself, you can only remove the whole plugin
[16:29] <GridCube> oooh
[16:29] <GridCube> its there now
[16:29] <GridCube> how weird
[16:30] <ochosi> why is that weird? :)
[16:30] <GridCube> because the indicator plugin was activated
[16:30] <GridCube> but just the sound thingy wasnt
[16:31] <ochosi> are you sure?
[16:31] <ochosi> e.g. nm-applet falls back to normal trayicon if you remove the indicator
[16:34] <GridCube> dunno
[16:34] <GridCube> there
[16:35] <GridCube> i lost the sound thingy again
[16:35] <Unit193> The testing page *FINALLY* let me login >_<
[16:36] <GridCube> the indicator plugin closes and restarts but the sound thingy doesnt come back if i do that, the nm-applet does tho
[16:36] <ochosi> then it's just nm-applet falling back to trayicon
[16:36] <GridCube> guess so
[16:36] <ochosi> what do you exactly mean when you're saying "it closes and restarts"?
[16:37] <GridCube> if i close the indicato plugin (left click > close) it restarts and it only has the nm-applet
[16:37] <charlie-tca> They are still working on the tracker page
[16:37] <ochosi> you mean "remove"?
[16:37] <GridCube> yes "Quitar"
[16:38] <astraljava> Indicator Plugin has a Guitar applet?! *cool*
[16:38] <ochosi> GridCube: that means you're removing it. if you want to keep the sound-indicator (and all other indicators for that matter) you can't remove it
[16:38] <ochosi> GridCube: it's like removing any other plugin from the panel and then saying "why isn't it there anymore"? :)
[16:39] <GridCube> yes i know, i just didnt knew how to get it back after accidentally removing it
[16:39] <ochosi> k :)
[16:39] <ochosi> bbl
[16:39] <GridCube> :)
[19:49] <pleia2> http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2011/12/xubuntu-unbelievable-easyness-of.html
[22:23] <GridCube> its unvelieble how long tests are being lately, this installation im doing has started 2 hours ago and i still have like 2 more hours to go according the installator
[22:35] <Unit193> I seem to know someone that's already running Pangolin of some sort (be it VM or not)
[22:42] <GridCube> i've installed it a few times already
[22:42] <GridCube> each time seems to take more time to install
[22:42] <Unit193> Keeps it though, updates and su7ch
[22:43] <GridCube> oh
[22:43] <GridCube> :)
[22:52] <GridCube> great had to reboot
[22:52] <GridCube> lost the installation