[05:42] <jussi> shadeslayer: ping when you get up. any chance of a ppa with KTP in it that has the auth stuff? I accidentally updated and broke everything...
[05:50] <vHanda> Riddell: :)
[07:00] <soee> good morning
[07:10] <jussi> morning soee
[08:21] <shadeslayer> Laney: Riddell funnily enough I was looking into building ktp-call-ui with the older gst yesterday, rdieter put his patches up at http://rdieter.fedorapeople.org/rpms/ktp/
[08:21] <shadeslayer> Was going to reply today, but thanks a ton Laney
[08:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: kinda
[08:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/daily-builds
[08:24] <shadeslayer> I haven't gotten around to testing those packages yet
[08:24] <jussi> shadeslayer: ok, lets hope someone tests them soon, I havent got the home pc handy and Ill wait for testing on the work pc
[09:58] <shadeslayer> well this is fun
[09:58] <shadeslayer> kwallet lost all my passwords
[09:58] <shadeslayer> and it's completely empty
[09:58] <shadeslayer> and crash
[10:07] <soee> might be the same reason Netbeans doesnt hold passwords for servers ?
[10:07] <shadeslayer> nah
[10:07] <shadeslayer> some weird problem with kwalletd I think
[10:08] <shadeslayer> restarted it and it worked
[10:19] <apachelogger> re
[10:20] <apachelogger> salut mes amis
[10:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: shadeslayer wanted to look into porting
[10:21] <shadeslayer> uh yeah, maybe a couple of months down the line
[10:21] <shadeslayer> I'm looking into pgst right now
[10:21] <shadeslayer> not time for anything else
[10:21] <shadeslayer> *no
[10:21] <shadeslayer> or rather than months, once I finish pgst
[10:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's what I meant
[10:21] <Laney> shadeslayer: merci, will upload that stuff tomorrow
[10:21] <shadeslayer> sure
[10:21] <apachelogger> aka the question was who will port to gst1
[10:22] <shadeslayer> right
[10:22] <shadeslayer> from what I recall qgst needs porting first
[10:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: and yes they all need portery, which depending on whether those pieces of software do some sort of device listing it may be impossible to do :P
[10:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pgst does not use qgst :P
[10:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not pgst, i meant that in order to port ktp call ui qgst needs porting first
[10:23] <shadeslayer> since it uses qgst
[10:23] <apachelogger> ah yes
[10:23] <apachelogger> that makes sense
[10:24] <shadeslayer> not to mention gst1.0 is missing stuff so it'll contain workarounds till gst1.0 gets fixed
[10:24] <apachelogger> qtwebkit needs a direct port (i.e. I think it does not use qgst)
[10:24] <shadeslayer> hmm
[10:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: seeing you on IRC after quite some time
[10:25] <shadeslayer> didn't qtwebkit use phonon :P
[10:25] <apachelogger> the fact that gst1 is missing stuff is why i fear it may be hard to port some stuff at all
[10:25] <shadeslayer> yep
[10:25] <apachelogger> as you essentially needed to implement direct device probing via alsa, pulse, whathaveyou
[10:25] <shadeslayer> yeah
[10:26] <shadeslayer> Trevor said that it's a acceptable workaround till gst1.0 gets fixed
[10:26] <shadeslayer> which I think is later this year
[10:26] <apachelogger> for phonon, yes, since we have the alsa probing in place
[10:26] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[10:26] <apachelogger> (that actually would also not be possible with phonon5 as that is supposed to have only backend driven probing ... hooray for gst1 trololo)
[10:27] <shadeslayer> btw ndisgtk is still using python2 right?
[10:27] <shadeslayer> ah
[10:27] <shadeslayer> raring has python3 port
[10:54] <shadeslayer> btw can someone upload the l10n magic for quantal to beta backports?
[11:06] <apachelogger> anyone wants to sort through my mail and reply 'yes' to every?
[11:13]  * davmor2 quickly send a mail to apachelogger asking for a cheque for 1 Million Pounds Muhahahahaahaha ;)
[11:16] <mikhas> apachelogger, what about the viagra mails?
[11:17] <mikhas> are you sure you need a 10 years supply?
[11:49] <Riddell> "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil." isn't it annoying when there's a non-free licence term in amongst otherwise GPL code
[11:54] <sheytan> Hey guys
[11:54] <sheytan> please include kipi-plugins to kubuntu default insta..
[11:54] <sheytan> install*
[11:54] <sheytan> in gwenview there's a 'share' button, but it says no plugins found. This is confusing ;)
[11:55] <sheytan> btw, you can add more wallpapers now, too
[11:55] <sheytan> we have space :)
[11:55] <Riddell> sheytan: it pulls in a bunch of stuff which means it takes up a lot of space
[11:55] <Riddell> including fun stuff like libwxgtk2.8-0
[11:56] <sheytan> Riddell so please put a notification helper
[11:56] <sheytan> like rekonq has for it ;)
[11:56] <sheytan> while first run gwenview
[11:57] <Riddell> it's a thought
[11:57] <shadeslayer> and maybe we can also add a helper for nepomuk-ffmpeg extractor now that we have a separate package for it?
[11:58] <vHanda> btw, don't you have something similar for strigi?
[11:58] <vHanda> strigi-ffmpeg?
[11:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you forgot a description for the ffmpeg extractor :P
[11:58] <shadeslayer> vHanda: not that I can see
[11:59] <shadeslayer> apt-cache search strigi | grep ffmpeg  returns nothing
[11:59] <vHanda> weird. I basically just copied the code from strigi, and then optimized it a little
[12:00] <shadeslayer> -- Could NOT find FFmpeg (missing:  AVCODEC_LIBRARIES AVCODEC_INCLUDE_DIRS AVFORMAT_LIBRARIES AVFORMAT_INCLUDE_DIRS)
[12:00] <shadeslayer> we don't build with ffmpeg stuff ;)
[12:04] <sheytan> see? Thank me you have another stuff to do :D
[12:05] <sheytan> btw, the notification helper is a good stuff
[12:05] <sheytan> i have a nice list at home, what i would love to improve in next kubuntu. Will share that today evening ;)
[12:21] <Riddell> sheytan: I'll look forward to it :)
[12:33] <apachelogger> "KDE 4.10 release schedule changes, was: We are having RC3 was: Re: Another RC?, was: Re: Akonadi-Nepomuk Feeder Improvements" <- le lol
[12:34] <apachelogger> mikhas: surely not bad to have a 10 year supply of viagra
[12:34] <apachelogger> davmor2: must have ended up in spam
[12:35] <davmor2> apachelogger: damn you and your spam filtering running my chances at millions ;)
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:26] <soee> uhm
[14:26] <soee> For certain workloads with the Linux 3.8 kernel the physical memory usage is lowered by a significant amount thanks to improvements within this kernel that's presently under development...
[14:26] <soee> sound good
[14:41] <BluesKaj> hope it works better then the 3.7 does on my system
[14:41] <BluesKaj> than
[14:42] <BluesKaj> well , the 3.7 kernel doesn't work at all wiuth my graphics card , geforce 8400gs
[14:43] <soee> ;D
[14:44] <soee> 12.10 uses 3.5.x ?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> soee, yes , the 3.7 is available and I tried it unsuccessfully
[14:49] <BluesKaj> on 12.10
[14:50] <soee> and 13.04 will be shipped with ?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> it's default with 13.04
[14:50] <BluesKaj> so far
[14:50] <soee> so are there any chance to put 3.8 there ?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> I'm hoping the 3.8 has the amd and intel 64 bit HW drivers issues solved
[14:51] <soee> what issue ?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> 3.8 is in rc2  stage I believe
[14:54] <BluesKaj> it's difficult to tell from my perspective since using noapci and nomodest to get to the desktop is the only method that works on the live-dvd for my pc ...installing hangs and goes nowhere
[14:56] <BluesKaj> and I've seesn compalints and reports about some amd and intel 64bit pcs having the same problems
[15:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's the status of plasma active 3?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Mostly done
[15:01] <Riddell> wondering because okular is wanting a build-dep on activeapp
[15:01] <shadeslayer> awaiting testing on an ExoPC
[15:01] <shadeslayer> which will be sometime today
[15:01] <shadeslayer> assuming Shaan7 shows up :)
[15:02] <shadeslayer> hmm... activeapp ... don't remember what I did with those headers
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: build okular with plasma-active-dev in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages
[15:04] <Riddell> well best to just leave it until it's in the archive I guess
[15:04] <shadeslayer> *nod*\
[15:05] <shadeslayer> I think we can upload it on Mondau
[15:05] <shadeslayer> *Monday
[15:05] <shadeslayer> assuming Shaan7 tests it
[15:05] <shadeslayer> along with kio-mtp
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: or rather, can you review and upload kio-mtp?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Scott can pass it from New then
[15:07] <shadeslayer> it's in the experimental PPA
[15:08] <Riddell> can do
[15:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but you'll need to do libwlocate in return for me :)
[15:09] <Riddell> freeflying: how come libqaccessibilityclient is in a git repo called libkde... ?
[15:09] <Riddell> sorry not freeflying
[15:09] <shadeslayer> upload libwlocate? I don't think I have upload rights
[15:09] <Riddell> fregl: how come libqaccessibilityclient is in a git repo called libkde... ?
[15:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nah but can you review the packaging?  it's in kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[15:09] <shadeslayer> ahh sure
[15:10] <freeflying> Riddell: no worries :)
[15:12] <shadeslayer> ->dinner()
[15:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kio-mtp upstream fail, files say gpl2 but LICENCE file is gpl 3
[15:14]  * Riddell fixes
[15:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uploaded!
[15:38] <sheytan> Guys!
[15:38] <sheytan> any news about optimus for 13.04?
[15:38] <sheytan> im about to  buy dell 15z, but i had to read alot about it to get it even boot ;D
[15:41] <Riddell> what is optimus?
[15:56] <sheytan> Riddell Nvidia / intelHD switching in notebooks for powersave
[15:57] <sheytan> i can't get nvidia to work
[15:57] <sheytan> no opengl sucks ;(
[16:00] <shadeslayer> I switch off my discrete card
[16:00] <shadeslayer> just boot it using the intel card
[16:02] <fregl> Riddell: it got renamed afterwards... it's the fourth name or so...
[16:02] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:03] <Riddell> fregl: I presume I don't want to package accessibleapps?
[16:04] <Riddell> fregl: well infact first question would be do I want to package this at all?
[16:05] <Riddell> kmag wants it but I don't know how ready it is
[16:05] <fregl> Riddell: it should have a release, but I got scared when Sebastian made random api changes at some point, though I think they were not in public api...
[16:06] <fregl> Riddell: it enables kmag to track the keyboard focus and it will also help Simon doing better integration with the normal desktop
[16:06] <Riddell> sounds like something we want
[16:07] <fregl> Riddell: I would love feedback and a nudge to make a release I guess... I haven't looked at it too much lately. in the end I guess I can make a release and we can always bump .so version if needed
[16:07] <sheytan> shadeslayer: it's impossible in this device
[16:07] <sheytan> i thought about
[16:08] <fregl> Riddell: btw, do you guys have Simon 0.4 or whatever was released packages? that would be nice too - it finally got rid of all non-free dependencies for good too :)
[16:08] <Riddell> fregl: that's next on my todo list
[16:09] <fregl> \o/
[16:30] <Riddell> hi jessie_
[16:31] <jessie_> Howdy, Riddell
[17:47] <yofel_> shadeslayer: Launchpad was so nice to remind me why I used boost 1.46 so far:
[17:47] <yofel_>  libboost1.48-dev : Conflicts: libboost1.46-dev but 1.46.1-7ubuntu3 is to be installed
[17:47] <yofel> now lets see what actually pulls that in
[17:57] <yofel> akonadi...
[17:58] <BluesKaj> tried the 3.8-rc2 kernel , but it couldn't find apport even tho it's installed
[18:24] <yofel> JontheEchidna: is it somehow possible to build qapt 1.9.65 on precise? Currently it fails and I don't get what the error is trying to tell me: https://i127870061.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/127870061/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.qapt_1.9.65-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04.1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=9393704e4873661901e2ae148d08bc40
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> yofel: 404's forme
[18:25] <yofel> JontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/2915497/+listing-archive-extra
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> ah, 12.04's GCC is too old
[18:26] <yofel> urgh
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> is QApt 2.x particularly needed for 12.04?
[18:26] <yofel> well, shadeslayer was trying to backport 4.10 to precise, and kde-runtime is stuck on qapt
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> ah, for the new language installation patch
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[18:28] <yofel> I guess we could excavate the old qapt implementation in kde-runtime...
[18:28] <yofel> JontheEchidna: wait
[18:28] <yofel> only for that?
[18:28] <yofel> we don't even need that in precise
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> should be only that
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> it'd probably be fine to drop the patch
[18:28] <yofel> I'll try that then first
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> that's probably what shadeslayer was trying to ping me about the other day. I tried pinging him back but he hasn't responded yet
[18:29] <yofel> heh
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> I think my sleep schedule has drifted to the opposite of shadeslayer's :s
[21:24] <soee> i have installed nvidi driver, but it says "This driver is activated but not currently in use"
[21:24] <soee> any idea why?
[21:25] <yofel> soee: -> #kubuntu
[21:28] <BluesKaj> soee, it's abug , Have the same indication, but if you run,  dpkg -l | grep nvidia , you'll see the driver in use above NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
[21:33] <sheytan> Riddell till now: http://pastebin.com/utCqtE3C
[21:35] <Riddell> sheytan: could you e-mail that to kubuntu-devel so it doesn't get lost?
[21:40] <yofel> sheytan: re chromium - tried rekonq 2 yet? It's quite usable
[21:40] <sheytan> yofel: quite usable is not the point ;)
[21:41] <sheytan> plus in chrome you've got that magic called "synching" ;)
[21:41] <sheytan> and flash out of the box
[21:41] <yofel> I don't believe we have flash out of the box in chromium - that's chrome
[21:41] <yofel> IIRC firefox can sync too
[21:42] <sheytan> ok, it might be chrome only. with ff i have to agree too, but anyway :D
[21:43] <yofel> I know they have nice points, but I believe rekonq is still better integrated
[21:44] <yofel> firefox is probably out until the patches get back in (if ever), and i'm not sure how much security updates chromium gets in ubuntu
[21:44] <sheytan> i've tried it. With more then  10 tabs opend it works slowly. I'm using more then 20 sometimes
[21:44] <yofel> if it's speed with number of tabs open then firefox wins for me, chromium is a bit of a memory hog
[21:45] <yofel> but yeah, it did notice that with rekonq
[21:45] <yofel> (but I'm still running 1.80, so I hope 2.0 is better there)
[21:46] <yofel> IIRC VLC was a license question
[21:46] <yofel> and if people need a better video player than dragon I believe it's easy to find one in muon
[21:46] <sheytan> this list is my personall feeling. You don't have to agree with me and i'm not like: EVERYTHING MUST BE THE WAY I WANT IT, so it's all to disquss
[21:46] <sheytan> btw muon
[21:47] <sheytan> this is hmmm
[21:47] <sheytan> not quite a software center
[21:47] <yofel> tried muon-discover?
[21:47] <sheytan> hope that thing someones is workign on with qml
[21:47] <sheytan> will be better
[21:48] <sheytan> yofel: will try it now
[21:48] <sheytan> i have a test machine with today's 13.04 build
[21:50] <sheytan> yofel: looks like a gimp challange for me :D
[21:50] <sheytan> who is working on this little baby?
[21:54] <yofel> iirc apol
[21:54] <yofel> JontheEchidna will know more
[21:57] <yofel> sheytan: as for the rest, kipi-plugins is a good idea, the samba kcm is indeed a pain
[21:57] <yofel> what's wrong with the wallpaper?
[21:57] <sheytan> there's only one? :)
[21:58] <sheytan> instead the 'install more' button, just add the default ones, or like ubuntu, make a contest to choose new :)
[21:58] <sheytan> what if you don't have internet access or are on 3G?
[21:58] <sheytan> like me
[21:58] <sheytan> i don't want to spent my trasfer on things that suppose to be already installed :)
[22:18] <yofel> the problem here is image space... the full kde-wallpapers tarball is 87MB now
[22:20] <allee> afiestas: is default behavior still the one you described in your blog video  screen management got magic?
[22:20] <allee> afiestas: for me external (vga) monitor is not automaticly actived (or the right).  It's in off mode.
[22:21] <allee> afiestas: windows on external screen are not moved to the laptop screen when external monitor is unplugged :-(
[22:21] <allee> Still much magic missing ;-)
[22:22] <afiestas> allee: you shouldn't use git snapshots, that kind of shit happen
[22:22] <yofel> and here I thought I'm the only one that needs xrandr to properly set his external monitor up
[22:22] <afiestas> we haven't said it is "package ready" but well it was to be expected I guess
[22:22] <afiestas> if you update ot latest master, it should work
[22:22] <afiestas> we have had some breakage and we still have some
[22:22] <afiestas> for example Wacom eats some X11 events
[22:23] <allee> afiestas: no offence intended!  I've updated ~ 2 hours ago to git master (lib)kscreen to get the fixes of my last bug report included.
[22:24] <afiestas> update everything always, not offence taken
[22:24] <afiestas> and disable wacom kded if you want "hot plug" to work
[22:25] <allee> afiestas: Ping me when it's a good time to sync pkgs with git in the meantime I work on the (not yet existing) quality of  the pkgs ;-)
[22:25]  * allee checks wacom stuff ...
[22:25] <afiestas> allee: as I said, package everything asap
[22:25] <afiestas> critical stuf is being touched/improved/broken one commit could work, the next one break everything
[22:27] <jessie_> afiestas: ARe you the maker of kscreen?
[22:28] <allee> afiestas: :-)   That's why I asked.  I don't want to waste time to create valuable bug report when you know that git is currently broken.    You can imply that I've tried with current master when I ask/report
[22:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: 4.10 for precise is done once you have time to backport indi, that seems to need some other libs backported and I don't have time to look at the risks right now
[22:37] <sheytan> yofell: we don't have to fit into a CD anymore ;)
[22:41] <yofel> it turns out that there's plenty of other things you can fill 1G with...
[22:41] <yofel> I haven't looked at the current size though, so maybe we can do something


[06:59] <johk> waveform, Good Morning
[08:27] <waveform> johk, hello!
[08:29] <waveform> afraid I've got another meeting in a mo, but a quick update: the dtb for the arducam is built successfully and appears to load (although I don't have an arducam that's actually compatible with it; the imx519-based appears not to use their "standard" dtb), but haven't managed to get the kernel module building yet (going to meet with our pi kernel guy in a bit to get some info)
[08:29] <johk> which kernel did you build for? current jammy? 5.15. something?
[09:13] <waveform> johk, current jammy, 5.15.0-1013
[09:13] <waveform> or 5.15.0-1013-raspi specifically
[09:13] <johk> want me to load the module?
[09:13] <johk> (in a call for the next 30min)
[09:34] <waveform> johk, I doubt there's much point just yet as while the relevant bits of the d-t get updated there's no module the kernel can load to actually do anything with them. Just had a chat with our pi kernel guy though and it seems out-of-tree builds aren't specifically tested for the -raspi kernel packages, and may well be broken so I'm going to scrape together some info for some bug reports and then carry on attempting a manual work-around
[09:37] <johk> :/
[09:38] <johk> not even worth testing wether the camera works?
[10:03] <waveform> johk, the camera can't work with just the d-t overlay; that just describes things like which pins should be used by any tentative kernel module, clocks, frequencies, etc. but without the corresponding kernel module nothing's going to happen (I can see appropriate things appear in /proc/device-tree but that's about it)
[10:29] <johk> the ArduCAM-pivariety repo doesn't have the module?
[10:29] <johk> waveform ^
[10:29] <waveform> not built against the ubuntu kernel, no -- and I haven't succeeded in making an out-of-tree build of its source, yet
[10:43] <johk> anything I can do to support?


[11:49] <balloons> Coming Soon! :-)
[15:11] <ahoneybun> oh you saw balloons?
[15:12] <ahoneybun> mhall119: my event is tomorrow and no swag?
[15:12] <mhall119> ahoneybun: did you request swag?
[15:12] <ahoneybun> from you, yes
[15:13] <ahoneybun> mm not getting swag or money for food...
[15:13] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I don't have swag to give, you're suppose to request it via the appropriate forms
[15:14] <ahoneybun> mm
[15:14] <ahoneybun> guess I heard it wrong
[15:14] <ahoneybun> I'll do it right next time


 Problem with hysdrogen.
[17:21] <Bernhard_L> CAnnot completely mute instruments.
[17:21] <Bernhard_L> Why is it?
[17:22] <holstein> i will need more information
[17:22] <holstein> i assume you mean the hydrogen drum machine?
[17:22] <holstein> the virtual drum machine?
[17:22] <holstein> and how are you listening to what exactly? and how/why are you muting what where?
[17:22] <holstein> Bernhard_L: ^
[17:23] <Bernhard_L> I try to capture i.e. the snare with Ardour. And not the whole drumline.
[17:23] <holstein> sure
[17:23] <Bernhard_L> To give it a seperate flange.
[17:23] <holstein> Bernhard_L: in hydrogen, you can seperate the outputs.. a channel per instrument
[17:23] <holstein> i would do it that way, and route what you like where you like
[17:24] <Bernhard_L> And if i hit the solo button, then the other instruments are only lowered a littel.
[17:24] <holstein> rather than, a stereo sum and muting in hydrogen
[17:24] <holstein> Bernhard_L: sure. please use seperate outputs per instrument, and route them as you please to ardour
[17:24] <Bernhard_L> Yes muting in hydrogen does not work.
[17:24] <holstein> Bernhard_L: i understand that, friend
[17:24] <Bernhard_L> How can a
[17:24] <holstein> Bernhard_L: please, *dont* use mute like that
[17:24] <Bernhard_L> holstein, how can I do this?
[17:25] <holstein> Bernhard_L: in the menu, in hydrogen, as i state above, you will see how to give *each* instrument a seperate output channel
[17:25] <holstein> Bernhard_L: you can then route the snare, seperate, as you please. and want
[17:25] <holstein> without the need for mute
[17:25] <Bernhard_L> holstein, I gonna look.
[17:27] <Bernhard_L> holstein, wow, great.
[17:27] <holstein> thats a "better" way to input into ardour, anyway
[17:29] <holstein> arguably..
[17:30] <holstein> its preferable, since, you can "render" the same from ardour that would be rendered with the stereo output from hydrogen, but, you have more granular control over the mix, before its rendered from ardour
[17:33] <Bernhard_L> holstein, thank you.
[19:22] <rich_> Problem with Reaper crashing after the completion of a render.  I am new to reaper in linux. Is there an easy fix?
[19:23] <rich_> error not just in render. error reads, can be caused by a problem or a deficiency in Wine.
[19:25] <ObrienDave> you might ask in #winehq
[19:25] <rich_> yes, reading there as well as reapers wiki as I monitor here.
[19:26] <studio-user712> hello?
[19:26] <rich_> .
[19:26] <studio-user712> I'm new in ubuntu-studio
[19:26] <studio-user712> and I like it so much
[19:27] <rich_> welcome, jump in the water is fine.  but deep.
[19:27] <studio-user712> is this like a chat of the ubuntu- studio-users?
[19:27] <rich_> a lot like that if you want it to be.
[19:27] <rich_> life is abstract.
[19:27] <studio-user712> :)
[19:30] <rich_> don't mind my silence studio-user712 . I am working in the other monitor.
[19:31] <studio-user712> ok
[19:31] <ObrienDave> it is more of a support channel rather than idle chat
[19:31] <studio-user712> well, I thing I have no quests
[19:31] <rich_> Does that mean we are screwing with someones pretty log file ObrienDave ?
[19:34] <rich_> I like studio and it's defaults.  Kind of surprised that it was written with xfce as the desktop and not kde.
[19:35] <ObrienDave> xfce is 'lighter' than kde
[19:35] <rich_> yes but audio, video, photography, and publishing people all have powerful desktops
[19:37] <Jmainguy> I run xfce on mine
[19:37] <Jmainguy> its a pentium 4, 3.0ghz
[19:37] <Jmainguy> if I have chromium open it crawls
[19:37] <rich_> I am still setting up studio here.  what is Ubuntu's gui answer to inxi ? I forgot.
[19:37] <Jmainguy> but if I just have patchage and some guitar effects it gets by
[19:37] <Jmainguy> I really should upgrade the box
[19:40] <rich_> build your own putter is again the way to go. component prices have come down in relation to built boxes.
[19:41] <rich_> The answer to my question is "hardinfo"
[19:43] <rich_> just a i5-4690 here Jmainguy quad core 3.5 gig
[19:43] <Jmainguy> nice
[19:43] <Jmainguy> yeah I am thinking of buying an adapter for my work laptop
[19:44] <Jmainguy> and just running ubuntu studio in dual boot for when I want to do music stuff
[19:44] <rich_> with a pro ssd drive to make it fast. spinners for archives.
[19:44] <Jmainguy> I got a emu 1616m box I need to plug into the puter
[19:44] <rich_> I run two distro's on the ssd drive and a spinner for windows.
[19:45] <rich_> that emu is a lot like my rme multiface, right?
[19:46] <holstein> i dont want to track audio to an ssd
[19:46] <holstein> its not specifically helpful, since, i dont need the increase in performance and speed for that work flow
[19:46] <Jmainguy> yeah, its awesine for audio
[19:46] <holstein> accessing samples would ne noticable
[19:46] <Jmainguy> and I can plug my guitar into it, and have ubuntu studio act as a guitar pedal
[19:47] <rich_> I agree on keeping the audio on spinners until you get to a critical number of tracks. I seldom run more than 4.
[19:47] <holstein> if you need more speed, you need more speed
[19:47] <holstein> i dont
[19:47] <holstein> but, the price is more comparable, as well
[19:48] <rich_> It is so nice about hard drive prices. I can finally quit burning dvd's
[19:49] <holstein> i still burn sessions to bluray
[19:49] <holstein> its nice to have them in a different location.. the 3 2 1 rule
[19:49] <holstein> putting them on another hard drive doesnt protect from everything
[19:49] <rich_> I stopped all dvd burning and went to a linux lvm based nas.
[19:50] <holstein> if i need a DVD, i burn one
[19:50] <holstein> a "Nas" doesnt address everything a simple DVD can
[19:50] <holstein> if you want/need something offsite
[19:50] <Jmainguy> remote server
[19:51] <holstein> remote server can..
[19:51] <rich_> linux partitioned as lvm allows for a mirror to a second drive without even playing the raid game.
[19:51] <holstein> sure
[19:51] <Jmainguy> use owncloud, and it manages backing up to your own external cloud
[19:51] <holstein> none of which do anything offsite
[19:51] <Jmainguy> you can do software raid without lvm as well
[19:52] <Jmainguy> but yeah, backing up to an external server is my personal preference
[19:52] <holstein> if its "sensitive", it may not be preferred.. depends
[19:52] <Jmainguy> if you control the external server
[19:52] <rich_> want offsite? a quad core raspberry pi burning 3 watts is a perfect cloud. www.peetbog.com  I use ssh to access it.
[19:52] <holstein> certainly fine for audio sessions.. but, they are large.. and if you pay for transfer, then it can add up
[19:52] <Jmainguy> yeah, I use a cheap dedi with hetzner
[19:52] <holstein> rich_: if i need offsite, i use offsite
[19:53] <Jmainguy> 10tb of traffic a month included, 6tb, 32 gig of ram, all for about $40 usd
[19:53] <holstein> im just saying, using a nas, or raid, facilitates what it facilitates.. its not a "backup" if the facility burns down
[19:53] <holstein> Jmainguy: yeah, thats not bad
[19:53] <Jmainguy> or burglars
[19:53] <rich_> offsite to me means locked and fireproof. not a second address.
[19:53] <holstein> yup ^
[19:53] <holstein> rich_: sure.. offsite to you, should mean, just that
[19:54] <Jmainguy> offsite is definitly a second address
[19:54] <holstein> rich_: its also not "Fireproof"..
[19:54] <Jmainguy> backing up to another computer in your house is a step in the right direction though for sure
[19:54] <holstein> rich_: its not advertised to be.. you'll mirror at another location, and hope both dont burn at  same time.. or get stolen
[19:54] <Jmainguy> thats the idea, its unlikley both die in the same day
[19:54] <holstein> yup
[19:54] <Jmainguy> it is of course a possibility
[19:54] <Jmainguy> but lower
[19:54] <holstein> likely "good enough"..
[19:55] <holstein> its enough of a possibility to not assume its "bullet proof".. knowing facts, and not expecting magic is important
[19:55] <rich_> I need to keep moving more secure.  I sure am better than when I was tossing dvd's around the studio.
[19:55] <Jmainguy> yeah for sure
[19:56] <holstein> something that specificall facilitates security is key
[19:56] <holstein> it *can* be safer to "toss a DVD around the studio" than put them up somewhere not secure
[19:57] <rich_> It is nice that burglers will go for the tablets and screens and not worry about desktops and media these days.  oh and number one they go for guns.
[19:58] <Jmainguy> true
[19:58] <holstein> sure, but, again, thats an assumption
[19:58] <Jmainguy> yup
[19:58] <holstein> you cant base a level of security on an assumption
[19:58] <Jmainguy> eh
[19:58] <Jmainguy> all of security relies on assumptions I would argue
[19:58] <holstein> "security through obscurity" as they say, is no security at all
[19:58] <rich_> I am pretty sure that all burglers will first go looking under the stairs to the basement.
[19:59] <holstein> though, its something to put in the loop, when possible.. to not be "low hanging fruit"
[19:59] <Jmainguy> yup
[19:59] <holstein> rich_: sure.. but, thats the issue.. "pretty sure"
[19:59] <holstein> rich_: you cant assume that, and if you do, you can be wrong. and there will be *nothing* to do to address the issue, if you were wrong, which is plausible
[19:59] <Jmainguy> everyone has different needs for stuff as well
[19:59] <holstein> yup
[20:00] <rich_> yea,
[20:00] <holstein> its always a balance
[20:00] <rich_> time to finish the wifi link to my rental house garage I guess.
[20:00] <Jmainguy> =)
[20:01] <rich_> well back to fighting the grimm reaper in red wine sauce. catch you all later.
[20:02] <Jmainguy> take care man
[21:28] <Guest6649> Hi...I'm a TOTAL newbie - so forgive me.  I'm trying to resolve issues with Jack disabling audio in other applications, and also with Jack NOT recording audio in Ardour.
[21:31] <OvenWerks> Guest6649: Jack is supposed to disable audio in other programs. The Pulse->jack bridge will send audio to jack, but the jack sink needs to made default.
[21:32] <Guest6649> So are you saying Jack can only be used with one application at a time?
[21:32] <OvenWerks> Guest6649: not at all. Just all the applications have to use jack as their output.
[21:33] <OvenWerks> The default audio server is pulse, which mixes all the outputs into one output.
[21:33] <Guest6649> So does that mean that when I watch YouTube, I have to configure Jack to run with my internet browser?
[21:34] <OvenWerks> When Jack starts it steals the audio device from pulse and so pulse can't do that.
[21:34] <Guest6649> Can I disable Pulse?
[21:34] <OvenWerks> There is included the pulse->jack brideg which lets pulse see jack as it's output device.
[21:34] <Guest6649> Where do I find that bridge...and how do I configure it?
[21:35] <OvenWerks> So instead of setting the audio device in pulse for output use jacksink
[21:35] <OvenWerks> Assuming you started jack using qjackctl, you should find in the connections panel that pulse is already there
[21:36] <Guest6649> I'm opening Ardour...and I presume Jack starts automatically
[21:36] <Guest6649> Is that NOT true?
[21:37] <OvenWerks> At the systray where the little audio icon is (looks like a speaker) if you click that the menu has sound settings. That is where you set pulse to point at jack.
[21:38] <OvenWerks> There are two versions of jack  :(  Jackd and jackdbus. The one that acts right with pulse is jackdbus. The one Ardour starts is jackd.
[21:38] <Guest6649> How do I envoke jackdbus?
[21:39] <OvenWerks> The first problem is now that you have started jackd, it needs to be stopped as closing Adour will leave it running. killall -9 jackd shold work fine.
[21:40] <Guest6649> There are NO inputs mentioning anything about Pulse in that speaker configuration panel.  As for your subsequent advice...I DID kill Jack...and that worked...for a while
[21:40] <Guest6649> Now I'm NOT getting any audio from YouTube
[21:40] <OvenWerks> normally the best thing is to start jack before you start any jack using application. If you use qjackctl, it uses jackdbus by default.
[21:41] <Guest6649> That I understand
[21:41] <Guest6649> I will try that again.  However...
[21:41] <OvenWerks> Most jack aware programs will start jackd for you if there is not one running.
[21:42] <Guest6649> The main problem is, when I start jack - then open Ardour, I get no audio input in the recording window
[21:42] <OvenWerks> What are you using for audio input?
[21:43] <OvenWerks> Are you trying to record a mic?
[21:43] <Guest6649> Mic in from the laptop...and I also have a Mackie Mixer which I can use
[21:43] <Guest6649> Is Linux disabling my laptop microphone?
[21:44] <Guest6649> I have a Dell Studio 1737
[21:44] <OvenWerks> Ok, I am not real good at axplaining this one... but anyway: The level may be set in the ALSA mixer part of things
[21:45] <OvenWerks> I think the mic level is low by default.
[21:45] <OvenWerks> Normally pulse sets the mic off if no application s using it.
[21:46] <OvenWerks> The best place to look is in alsamixer in a terminal.
[21:46] <Guest6649> Levels are all set to 100% in the "speaker sound" button on top
[21:46] <OvenWerks> Yes but this is inputs
[21:47] <Guest6649> As for "terminal"...you might as well be speaking "Greek".  I no nothing about Linux commands - as I'm a total newbie...sorry
[21:47] <Guest6649> Yes I checked "inputs".  All looks normal there.
[21:48] <OvenWerks> Inputs in sound settings?
[21:49] <Guest6649> Give me Adobe Audition, Sound Forge...etc...I can work those fine.  I'm trying to ditch my Windows machines and try Linux; but I see Linux still has problems with using audio.
[21:49] <Guest6649> Yes...Inputs in "sound settings".
[21:49] <Guest6649> Do you have any experience with "A/V" Linux?
[21:50] <OvenWerks> No I don't
[21:50] <Guest6649> I don't think it has anything to do with Ubuntu
[21:50] <OvenWerks> It will use a lot of the same applications for audio.
[21:50] <db> Hi
[21:51] <Guest6649> I really want to like Ubuntu; but for what I do (mainly studio work), I need something reliable and user friendly
[21:51] <OvenWerks> There is a learning curve for sure.
[21:51] <Guest6649> I DO very much appreciate your help though.
[21:51] <db_> bigupmusic
[21:51] <Guest6649> Learning curve is an UNDERSTATEMENT! L.O.L.
[21:52] <OvenWerks> I started all analog so the thought patern is much the same.
[21:53] <Guest6649> Ha! Ha!  I cut my teeth on reel to reel & slicing tape myself, having come from a background in radio
[21:53] <OvenWerks> The idea of having wires going from one place to the next and changing wiring from take to take is not new. So it didn't seem that hard when I started I guess.
[21:56] <OvenWerks> In radio, the general layout of wiring is fixed. Unless you are engineering staff. This is sort of like setting up the wiring in the first place.
[21:58] <OvenWerks> Often the best place to start is with a fresh session. (logout and in) then start qjackctl. It may need to be set to the audio device you are using if there is more than one (it sounds like you are using the internal so it should be ok)
[22:00] <OvenWerks> There is a start jack button in the topleft of the qjackctl window that actually starts jack.
[22:01] <OvenWerks> In the display window you should see a yellow "Active" word when it is running.
[22:02] <OvenWerks> There is a connections button that opens a connections pannel where you should see pulseaudio and system on each side
[22:03] <OvenWerks> There are probably some lines crossing eachother that join the two sides together.
[22:03] <OvenWerks> Then start Ardour and because jackdbus is already running it will not try to start jack for you.
[22:03] <OvenWerks> It will use the one already running.
[22:06] <OvenWerks> In Ardour you need to create an audio track
[22:08] <OvenWerks> Noramally a first track will auto connect to the first available input track on the device (left normally) but this can be set either from qjackctl or from the ardout track itself (which is recomended)
[22:12] <OvenWerks> am i making sense?
[22:13] <Guest6649> Sorry, I got interrupted by a phone call.  Thank you so much for all your advice.  I will try some of it shortly.  What you said makes perfect sense.  I'll keep you posted.  Hope to talk to you again soon.
[22:13] <OvenWerks> ok
[22:13] <Guest6649> P.S. Where are you located?  I'm down here in South Florida.
[22:14] <OvenWerks> Vancouver Island in Canada
[22:14] <Guest6649> Cool!  Hope to talk to you again soon.  Thanks again for your help!  Cheers!
[22:16] <OvenWerks> bye
[22:21] <bigupmusic> HI
[22:21] <OvenWerks> o/
[22:22] <bigupmusic> just started with ubuntustudio...it's awesome
[22:22] <OvenWerks> glad you like it.
[22:23] <bigupmusic> yeah! greetings from Kiel, Germany ... BigUpMusic.com Headquarters ... :D
[22:24] <OvenWerks> Greetings from Canada west coast
[22:24] <Patero-ng> british columbia
[22:25] <Patero-ng> my uncle lives in montreal since 2007


[00:14] <alvaro> how to fix broken packages
[00:16] <tomreyn> alvaro: broken how? which ubuntu version? can you post error messages to a pastebin?
[00:19] <alvaro> Err:1 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security InRelease
[00:19] <alvaro>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111: Connection refused) Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111: Connection refused)
[00:19] <alvaro> Err:2 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease
[00:19] <alvaro>   Could not connect to archive.canonical.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111: Connection refused) Could not connect to archive.canonical.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111: Connection refused) Could not connect to archive.canonical.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111: Connection refused)
[00:19] <alvaro> Err:3 http://ppa.launchpad.net/lutris-team/lutris/ubuntu bionic InRelease
[00:19] <alvaro>   Could not connect to ppa.launchpad.net:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111: Connection refused)
[00:20] <tomreyn> !paste | alvaro
[00:21] <alvaro> W: Target Packages (contrib/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:52 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list:1
[00:21] <alvaro> W: Target Packages (contrib/binary-all/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:52 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list:1
[00:21] <alvaro> W: Target Translations (contrib/i18n/Translation-en_US) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:52 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list:1
[00:21] <alvaro> W: Target Translations (contrib/i18n/Translation-en) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:52 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list:1
[00:21] <alvaro> W: Target DEP-11 (contrib/dep11/Components-i386.yml) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:52 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list:1
[00:21] <alvaro> W: Target DEP-11 (contrib/dep11/Components-all.yml) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:52 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list:1
[00:21] <alvaro> W: Target DEP-11-icons-small (contrib/dep11/icons-48x48.tar) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:52 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list:1
[00:21] <tomreyn> alvaro: dont post it here
[00:21] <tomreyn> see what ubottu told you
[00:25] <tomreyn> alvaro: you can talk again now, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com for the output
[00:29] <alvaro> just did it
[00:32] <alvaro> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RbxS43D3dm/
[00:36] <tomreyn> alvaro: do you have an outbound firewall?
[00:37] <alvaro> yes I do
[00:38] <tomreyn> alvaro: the hostnames of the apt mirrors your system wants to connect to seem to be resolved fine, but setting up TCP connections to those mirrors fails with a TCP connect timeout. your outbound firewall seems to be blocking these connections.
[00:38] <tomreyn> alvaro: is this what you meant by "fix broken packages" or is there yet another problem?
[00:44] <alvaro> yes,thakns  that fixed my problem
[00:45] <tomreyn> nice :)
[01:04] <r0tt13> hello
[01:04] <r0tt13> looking for help with netplan
[01:06] <Bashing-om> r0tt13: Ask - and wait for response :D
[01:08] <r0tt13> I have a machine with 1 nic and i want to assign it to vlan 10 via netplan... what is the best way to accomplish this? before it was <if>.<vlan>
[01:09] <r0tt13> i looked at netplan.io and used an example for vlan, but that seems to add a vlan, but i want it tied to the main if.
[01:09] <r0tt13> currently when i add a vlan section with an address it now makes both ips pingable, but it seems to have issues with a default route
[01:10] <r0tt13> also i used 2 addresses to make it work... seems incorrect as an approach
[01:10] <r0tt13> current config:
[01:11] <r0tt13> enp3s0 has a 10.0.10.x, then vlan also has the same but incretmented by 1
[01:12] <r0tt13> should i be leaving enp3s0 blank and move the default config to the vlan?
[01:13]  * enyc meows r0tt13 Deudz
[01:15] <enyc> r0tt13: there is a #netplan channel that might more likely get you answer...
[01:15] <r0tt13> funny .. netplan said there is an #ubuntu channel
[01:19] <Afdal> Can someone explain to me why rsync --existing -a  doesn't seem to be preserving my file and directory permissions?
[01:20] <enyc> r0tt13: a dear... do ask in both patiently anyhow, may take the right people coming/going
[01:21] <r0tt13> I did, thanks
[01:47] <r0tt13> i solved my issue.. thanks
[03:07] <papertigers> anyone know if the ubuntu server cloud images contain the right bits for mounting 9pfs?
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> papertigers: the #ubuntu-server crew might know that
[03:08] <papertigers> thanks lotuspsychje
[04:28] <andrewdcox1612> hi
[06:18] <uos001> 123
[08:35] <silatel> can someone tell me if it's possible to install dual boot windows alongside ubuntu 20.04 main?
[08:35] <enyc> silatel: yes but much easier if windows installed first, or preferably on a separate hard disk
[08:35] <enyc> silatel: unplug linux disk while do the latter,  yo ucan get into all sorts of fun with windows overwriting bootloader and making linux 'unbootable'
[08:36] <silatel> enyc: the thing is i have all my important things on ubuntu rn and i dont have a hard drive
[08:36] <silatel> enyc: that's why i'm trying to install windows
[08:36] <enyc> silatel: In any case, look at virtualization for windowsrather than dual-booting
[08:36] <enyc> silatel: or indeed alternative apps -- what is the windows-need anyhow, others here may be able to help!
[08:36] <silatel> enyc: my laptop is old so virtualization runs very slow
[08:37] <silatel> enyc: the single and only windows need is to play dota 2 :D
[08:37] <EriC^^> silatel: what's your partition table look like? type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999'
[08:37] <silatel> enyc: because it runs very slow on ubuntu, but i remember a couple years ago it was running better when i had windows
[08:38] <silatel> enyc: if there's a solution for me to improve my dota 2 performance without installing windows i'd want to do that
[08:38] <enyc> silatel: https://www.protondb.com/app/570
[08:38] <enyc> silatel: spec/ytpe of machine !?!?   it may be better just to look at better machine anyhow!
[08:39] <silatel> enyc: i don't have the money right now
[08:39] <enyc> silatel: used thinkpad with gpu, or osmething
[08:39] <enyc> silatel: do you have full backup, ability to reinstall ubuntu and all profiles/data if needed?
[08:40] <silatel> enyc: yes why?
[08:42] <enyc> silatel: if you didn't you shouldn't be messing with partitions and booting ;p
[08:42] <silatel> enyc: oh yeah yeah i know :)
[08:43] <silatel> enyc: my processor is intel i5-7200 and graphics is mesa intel 620
[08:44] <enyc> silatel: in terms of other OS setups,  you might also try a  Pop-OS-21.10 or similar (which would be better at multi-booting with ubuntu 20.04 more friendly),  newer linux+proton+gaming setup,  instead of win10 ....  linux gaming involves all the time, recent news on anticheat improvements, etc etc...  by 22.04 even in ubuntu should be much improved.
[08:44] <silatel> enyc: i also read about Pop OS, can i install that alongside ubuntu?
[08:45] <enyc> silatel: yes, and s I'm saying, more easily than windows  which will like to take over booting  (but may be different on UEFI)
[08:45] <enyc> silatel: OK that is 7th generation intel-core , rather new by my standards!
[08:45] <enyc> silatel: here I am typing away on x201 tablet thinkpad 1st generation!
[08:46] <silatel> enyc: :D yeah but dota still doesn't run that well
[08:47] <enyc> silatel: this may be software fun, as I'm saying try newer pop/ubuntu/etc... in a month or so 21.10 versions will be out.
[08:47] <enyc> anyhow!
[08:47] <silatel> enyc: ok then, thanks a lot i appreciate your help
[08:47] <silatel> :)
[08:47] <KBar> silatel you don't need Windows to play Dota 2. It runs natively on Ubuntu with no issues.
[08:48] <enyc> silatel: I *think* for pop, you want the ATI version when using intel graphics,  in any case  for Ubuntu, I don't think there is a special graphics driver option for Intel.
[08:48] <KBar> silatel your specs are much better than mine and yet I can play Ranked Dota 2 at 30 fps with minimal settings.
[08:48] <enyc> KBar: indeed, but poor performance for silatel, not sure why, suggesting try newer linux 21.10 versions when released.  maybe you know more speciic ... Are you us 20.04 LTS stock ubuntu !?!?
[08:50] <KBar> silatel to improve performance, make sure nothing is running in the background. Plus, switching to Xfce/Xubuntu might also be a great way to increase FPS by a bit.
[08:50] <silatel> ok guys thanks a lot
[09:03] <KBar> `apt list --upgradable` lists 11 packages can be upgraded but `update-manager` is sure that 'The software on this computer is up to date'. Does anyone have any idea what's going on?
[09:05] <KBar> libnss-systemd, libpam-systemd, libsystemd0, libsystemd0, libudev-dev, libudev1, libudev1, systemd-sysv, systemd-timesyncd, systemd, udev
[09:05] <KBar> These are the upgradable packages.
[09:11] <EriC^^> KBar: what does 'apt-cache policy systemd' give?
[09:11] <EriC^^> and which ubuntu version are you using?
[09:11] <ExplosiveUB> `apt-cache policy` says "Install systemd system and services."
[09:14] <KBar> EriC^^ `apt-cache policy` confirms that there is a candidate:
[09:14] <KBar> `systemd:
[09:14] <KBar>   Installed: 245.4-4ubuntu3.11
[09:14] <KBar>   Candidate: 245.4-4ubuntu3.13`
[09:15] <KBar> Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS (Xubuntu flavor)
[09:18] <Mekaneck> KBar: please don't cross post
[09:18] <Mekaneck> you already asked in #xubuntu
[09:19] <KBar> It's also relevant to Ubuntu, though.
[09:23] <Mekaneck> still, cross posting is not done: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[09:23] <ExplosiveUB> you're asking in #xubuntu when this discussion was started
[09:24] <Mekaneck> KBar: try to keep the discussion in one channel please. Thanks in advance.
[09:25] <KBar> Mekaneck https://ubuntu.com/community/code-of-conduct
[09:25] <Mekaneck> irrelevant in this matter
[09:26] <Mekaneck> KBar: you were asked kindly so please try do do so as asked. Thanks
[09:29] <KBar> !ops
[09:29] <ExplosiveUB> !ops
[09:30] <Mekaneck> KBar: trying to poke fun now?
[09:30] <Mekaneck> not sure why you call the ops over nothing
[09:32] <Mekaneck> KBar: also calling the ops won't matter, they won't do a thing at all. They are probably not even around and the list is old, most of them aren't Ops anymore so it's of no use.
[09:33] <ExplosiveUB> !ops
[09:33] <Mekaneck> something wrong ExplosiveUB?
[09:33] <ExplosiveUB> !ops
[09:33] <hiya> Can you share insights on how much does microcode by AMD/Intel made in system performance and stability including temps?
[09:34] <Mekaneck> ExplosiveUB: stop it please
[09:34] <ExplosiveUB> ! ops
[09:34] <ExplosiveUB> !ops
[09:35] <A_Dragon> ExplosiveUB: are you quite done?
[09:35] <ExplosiveUB> !ops
[09:35] <Mekaneck> ExplosiveUB: you've been reported
[09:35] <ExplosiveUB> i'm not being reported
[09:35] <Mekaneck> bye bye
[09:36] <A_Dragon> was trying to decide if I should do that >.>
[09:36] <Mekaneck> thanks popey
[09:36] <popey> don't wait, just do it. now, let's move on
[09:36] <Mekaneck> A_Dragon: faster action is needed sometimes
[09:36] <A_Dragon> popey: in future that something you want staff to poke at?
[09:36] <A_Dragon> Mekaneck: its not my channel so Im still learning :P
[09:36] <Mekaneck> A_Dragon: let's take it to #ubuntu-discuss
[10:46] <privato89> Hi guys
[10:48] <privato89> I've got a problem: When I try to reboot the gnome shell through ALT+F2+R, after it, the system changes resolution, and make it bigger.
[10:48] <privato89> To solve it I should reboot the system
[10:51] <privato89> Is there someone?
[10:56] <toddc> privato89: someone here yes  someone with a good answer????
[10:58] <privato89> no one I think
[11:27] <doxa> hi there can anyone help me on ssh tunneling and settings for remote
[11:30] <doxa> can anyone help me plz
[11:33] <cbreak> doxa: man ssh_config
[11:33] <cbreak> look for ProxyJump
[11:34] <doxa> ı know it
[11:34] <cbreak> if you want to tunnel ssh over ssh
[11:34] <doxa> ı ı want to tunnel over my router to server without vpn and forwarding
[11:35] <klausfiend> use SSH
[11:36] <klausfiend> google "ssh tunneling"
[11:36] <klausfiend> or "ssh port forwarding"
[11:36] <doxa> ı did all commands in there
[11:36] <doxa> my modem dont let me vpn or port forwardıng
[11:36] <doxa> ıts my problem
[11:38] <ogra> and your modem runs ubuntu ? (how would we be able to help here ??)
[11:38] <ogra> if it blocks everything there is not much you can do  ...
[11:38] <doxa> no ı have a modem and linux server connected to that
[11:46] <privato89> Hi guys,
[11:46] <privato89> I got a problem which I think it relates to the gnome shell. I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Focal Fossa. I noticed lately that every time the gnome shell reboots or I reboot it manually via ALT + F2 + R, after it, the screen change resolution and everything gets bigger, so to solve I have to restart the system.
[11:46] <privato89> Why should happen this and how to fix it?
[11:46] <privato89> Thanks
[11:47] <cbreak> you can change the resolution back in the settings
[11:48] <privato89> No, in setting the resolution is still the same
[11:49] <privato89> Every time I reboot the shell it get bigger the screen
[11:51] <cbreak> check the UI scale parameter too
[11:52] <privato89> how do it?
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:54] <cbreak> in 21.04, there's a "Scale" setting in the display settings
[11:54] <cbreak> 20.04 has something similar I think
[11:55] <privato89> cbreak , It doen't changes
[11:55] <privato89> I checked
[11:55] <cbreak> and if you change it, and then change it back?
[11:57] <privato89> cbreak , no it doesn't
[11:58] <newdimension> Would someone be able to tell me which apt repository is failing the key check based off of this? https://dpaste.org/FPLA
[12:01] <klausfiend> yes
[12:01] <klausfiend> 	.	W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian stable InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 23E7166788B63E1E Yarn Packaging<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:01] <klausfiend> it's the Yarn repo
[12:05] <newdimension> klausfiend: thanks! I found a github issue and it seems a while back they changed keys. Re-adding the key fixed it
[12:05] <newdimension> Any idea what's happening with the postgres repo? Do I have the wrong architecture type selected? https://dpaste.org/FPLA#L18
[12:08] <newdimension> Found the solution https://stackoverflow.com/questions/61523447/skipping-acquire-of-configured-file-main-binary-i386-packages
[12:13] <vimart> Any solutions to run Snapchat directly?
[12:14] <vimart> from what I see it must be bluestack via wine
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> vimart: snapchat is mobile/android based, try virtualbox + androidx86 iso and run snapchat from there on your ubuntu
[15:16] <legend> you can also use anbox
[15:16] <legend> vimart: https://anbox.io/
[15:16] <legend> allows you to run android apps in a container on GNU/Linux
[15:17] <legend> so basically you get native performance, no hardware virtualization whatsoever
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> last time i tested anbox was a bit of flaky experience legend
[15:24] <legend> last time I tested anbox, I had a great experience
[15:24] <legend> so it depends on what apps you are running
[15:25] <legend> I've managed to get social media apps working no problem, haven't tried games yet
[15:43] <Pokey> Hey, kinda worried, my server is slowing to a crawl, and BYOBU's disk IO monitors are reporting super high usages of 1-2GB/s read and 500MB-1GB/s write. iostat, dstat and htop all show now real activity. How can I find the source of this killing my server? Thanks
[15:47] <ravage> Try iotop
[15:49] <Pokey> ravage: Literally took 5 seconds to launch, another couple seconds to populate and its showing 0B/s I/O whilst BYOBU still shows 1GB/s
[15:49] <Pokey> even typing into bash is laggy
[15:52] <ravage> maybe the BYOBU monitor just sucks? never used it
[15:53] <Pokey> Well, I would be inclined to agree, except, another server is showing very low usage, and also, the server is shitting itself with lag
[15:53] <Pokey> so something is clearly wrong
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> Pokey: logs to the rescue
[15:56] <Pokey> lotuspsychje: dmesg -w shows nothing exciting, just the occasional forewall block, its not spewing activity
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> !info lynis | Pokey maybe a deeper investigation then
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> wich server release are you on Pokey and kernel version? when did the lag start to occur?
[15:59] <Pokey> Linux <hostname redacted> 5.4.0-59-generic #65-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 10 12:01:51 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:00] <Pokey> I couldn't tell you exactly when the lag started to occur, just, this IRC connection I speak to you on is running upon that server, and this morning I was kicked off of all of my networks, so I logged in to take a look
[16:01] <Pokey> When I logged in, MySQL was crapping itself all over my CPU, pinning it to 100% (my own fault) so I stopped its service, so thats definitely not running now
[16:01] <Pokey> I have since rebooted the box
[16:02] <Pokey> I realkise that uname -a output does not mention release, so, 20.04
[16:03] <Pokey> s/realkise/realise
[16:03] <ioria> then it's time to upgrade the kernel (current is <IP_ADDRESS>)
[16:05] <Pokey> ioria: An outdated kernel, whilst not good and yes should be updated, should not cause a system to be reading and writing gigs per second and locking up at a bash prompt
[16:06] <Pokey> lotuspsychje: I'm running the lynis using the default command line options as shown on their site
[16:06] <ioria> Pokey, can you paste 'ps auxf | sort -k3 | nc termbin.com 9999'
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> yeah well its not really prudent to keep kernels behind 24/7 neither
[16:08] <Pokey> ioria: Sure, just had to check it for sensitive info hence delay
[16:09] <Pokey> Unsorted: https://termbin.com/6j1b Sorted: https://termbin.com/bl0g
[16:10] <Pokey> it contains my hostname but oh well
[16:13] <TJ-> Pokey: did you enable logging so it's writing to a file?
[16:16] <Pokey> TJ-: Logging for what in particular? And surely if so, it would show in IO statistics?
[16:17] <TJ-> Pokey: sorry, I'd scrolled back! BYOBU (ex 'screen')
[16:18] <Pokey> TJ-: Didn't even know BYOBU has a logging option, so no, it is not logging. But there shouldn't be enough logging anyway to spike at 4GB/s writes
[16:19] <TJ-> Pokey: can you tell which files/sockets it has open by grabbing its process ID and looking at "ls -l /proc/<PID>/fd" ?
[16:21] <Pokey> The lagginess is occurring even without BYOBU open at all, but sure: https://termbin.com/ag0q4
[16:47] <TJ-> Pokey: have you checked the kernel log for unexpected reports?
[16:47] <Marbug> Hi, I instaleld a version of ubuntu on a mac, and the sound when using GNOME or ubuntu window manager is working. but I installed openbox, and there it seems sound isn't working, also pavucontrol for pulse audio is not working correctly, it flashes in the beginning (showing something, and then saying that it tries to connect to the daemon). Any
[16:47] <Marbug> idea what is going on here ?
[16:48] <Marbug> what is the application btw, in the traybar that shows the volume slider etc ?
[16:55] <Pokey> TJ-: I mean, if you mean dmesg, yes, nothing abnormal
[16:56] <Pokey> lotuspsychje: lynis' default execute showed me a bunch of warnings for things I am already aware of, other than that, nothing interesting
[16:56] <TJ-> Pokey: right, I've seen that kind of issue when there's I/O device errors
[16:58] <Pokey> TJ-: Errors would show as no Disk IO using normal tools, extremely high disk IO using BYOBU and cause the system to be crawling slow?
[16:59] <TJ-> Pokey: hitting the kernel not devices
[17:00] <Pokey> TJ-: Oh I see, you're saying you've seen that kind of situation before, not that I am experiencing it necessarily
[17:00] <TJ-> Pokey: yes, and it is confusing!
[17:01] <Pokey> TJ-: Very much so. I can't use the server properly at all at the moment
[17:01] <TJ-> Pokey: what OS release is that?
[17:01] <Pokey> 20.04
[17:03] <TJ-> Pokey: and which kernel ("uname -r")
[17:03] <Pokey> Thanks for the command ptr
[17:03] <Pokey> 5.4.0-59-generic
[17:11] <TJ-> Pokey: doing some checks in case this is known
[17:13] <TJ-> Pokey: have a scan through these bug reports in case any seem to match https://bugs.launchpad.net/byobu/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[17:14] <rec__> keke
[17:18] <troozers> With Ubuntu 21.10 (Beta), is there a way to install extensions with Firefox?  I am currently getting issues with the chrome-gnome-shell and the new sandboxed firefox.... Getting around it by installing and using Chrome
[17:19] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | troozers
[17:20] <troozers> Oops, will go and ask there - thanks :)
[17:24] <VIA> hi all
[17:24] <VIA> can i get some assistance in re-installing a BT adapter ?
[17:27] <pasiz> VIA: could you describe what you mean
[17:36] <VIA> paz can  i get some assistance in re-installing a BT adapter ?
[17:36] <VIA> lol
[17:37] <VIA> BT adapter not working.
[17:37] <VIA> bluetooth
[17:37] <VIA> maybe needs driver purge or something i dont know if i would i wouldnt ask
[17:38] <TJ-> VIA: show us " pastebinit <( journalctl -k ) "
[17:42] <loganrun> I am running xfce on ubuntu 20.4.03. I plugged in a second monitor but can only get it to show the upper left quandrant of my other monitor. Is there any way to configure this properly on ubuntu?
[17:43] <TJ-> loganrun: Settings Manager > Display
[17:45] <VIA> so oyu have no concrete idea TJ- ?
[17:45] <TJ-> VIA: not until you give us some data to work with
[17:46] <tomreyn> loganrun: with xfce question, you may have a better audience in #xubuntu - but do point it out if you'r enot actually using xubuntu.
[17:47] <tomreyn> playing with xrandr directly may or may not help
[17:48] <tomreyn> and much will depend on your graphics hardware and, moreover, drivers.
[17:48] <loganrun> tomreyn, It looks like I have to use the Nvidia app directly to do it
[17:48] <VIA> well this command seems slightly usefull thanks anyway
[17:49] <tomreyn> loganrun: that will be so if you are limited to nvidia drivers.
[17:54] <VIA> u were interested in this TJ- https://pastebin.com/SwhSYTDM ?
[17:54] <loganrun> tomreyn, yeah, I have an nvidia graphics card
[17:55] <TJ-> VIA: I need to see the entire log, not just a short excerpt
[17:55] <loganrun> the stupid nvidia-settings app crashes when I try to write the xorg.conf file.also it doesn't seem to exist, it wants to write it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:55] <VIA> right
[18:03] <Pokey> TJ-: I'm pretty certain this has nothing to do with BYOBU
[18:03] <Pokey> The whole system is almost at a standstill with BYOBU closed
[18:15] <TJ-> Pokey: hmmmm, it's a tricky one then. You can't find any indicators of the cause, no clues, anything 'feels' wrong?
[18:15] <Pokey> TJ-: Nothing other than the fact its hellishly slow
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> Pokey: how about updating to latest first?
[18:16] <TJ-> Pokey: how many users currently? use this: "w"
[18:16] <Pokey> TJ-: Literally just me right now
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> there are hunters out there, scanning outdated servers like yours :p
[18:17] <Pokey> Welp
[18:17] <Pokey> I guess I'll just install all updates
[18:18] <TJ-> Pokey: is there no process eating at least a bit of extra CPU?
[18:19] <TJ-> Pokey: have you tried using 'atop' to analyse it - that is quite useful in these cases
[18:20] <TJ-> Pokey: the summary device list at top may reveal something
[18:24] <Pokey> TJ-: Nop,e and atop shows nothing, and nothing in top or iotop
[18:28] <TJ-> Pokey: is the host running any containers, or virtual machines?
[18:32] <Pokey> TJ-: Containers, yes, but they're all stopped
[18:33] <Pokey> right now I apparently have a consistent 2 GB/s read and 3GB/s write
[18:39] <morganu> 20.04 Hey my Ubuntu volume during zoom keeps going down. I actually cannot keep it up, even by keeping my finger on the button holding it there. What's up with htat?
[18:39] <morganu> I am fully updated
[18:46] <Pokey> TJ-: Sorry, went offline due to server reboot after updates. If you said anything after [19:33:20] <Pokey> right now I apparently have a consistent 2 GB/s read and 3GB/s write
[18:46] <Pokey> I missed it
[18:46] <TJ-> Pokey: no, I saw you drop off
[18:46] <TJ-> Pokey: any improvement after the reboot?
[18:46] <Pokey> The reboot has certainly calmed it down now but its still ~300MB/s and iotop shows no real usage
[18:46] <Pokey> Its not dead of lag though
[18:47] <TJ-> where are you seeing this 300MB/s reported if iotop doesn't report it?
[18:48] <Pokey> TJ-: Specifically in BYOBU
[18:49] <Pokey> In the config menu it is labelled as disk_io
[18:49] <TJ-> Pokey: so you're only seeing this in BYOBU stats?
[18:49] <TJ-> Pokey: you have no other evidence that there is actually disk I/O from the tools that really know how to report it
[18:50] <Pokey> TJ-: Correct, which does lead one to believe BYOBU could be showing wrong stats, but something tells me it isn't totally wrong, as when the disk usage was 2-4GB/s on BYOBU, the whole server (even with BYOBU fully closed) was almost at a standstill and iotop showed nothing
[18:50] <TJ-> Pokey: you reported sluggish input; was that with BYOBU or without? Because I saw quite a few bug reports of false stats and laggy behaviour of BYOBU
[18:50] <Pokey> without
[18:50] <TJ-> Pokey: was BYOBU stopped or was there a process detached in background?
[18:51] <Pokey> Stopped
[18:51] <TJ-> Pokey: try disabling BYOBU entirely and see if you can still detect laggy behaviour, I/O issues
[18:52] <Pokey> It is just a tmux wrapper, and with it not open, the server was still laggy as hell
[18:52] <Pokey> It isn't laggy at this very moment
[18:52] <Pokey> I'll have to monitor it
[18:56] <TJ-> Pokey: I suspect it is loosely related to this bug (misreading block device stats) https://bugs.launchpad.net/byobu/+bug/1658524
[18:57] <TJ-> Pokey: are there any loopdevs (snaps maybe like lxd) ?
[19:05] <Pokey> TJ-: Yes
[19:14] <TJ-> Pokey: I'd focus on the "i/o" on those virtual devices - that's almost certainly the source of the I/O stats; as to the lag, that may be a by-product of those figure changing so much the stats are continuously being regenerated for the status bar
[19:17] <Pokey> TJ-: The stats there would make some sense except 4GB/s? and the lag was occuring with BYOBU fully closed so no stats generation
[19:19] <TJ-> Pokey: right, but sometimes there are background processes generating those stats anyhow. It may not be this but right now it'd be my prime suspect
[19:35] <croraf_> Again apt error: https://pasteboard.co/uA9gZcewuW4g.png
[19:36] <croraf_> Please advise how to fix
[19:38] <tomreyn> croraf_: does the given file exist, who is it owned by?
[19:56] <croraf_> tomreyn, -fopen is not part of the file name?
[19:56] <croraf_> I have this "-rw------- 1 _apt root     4502 kol  10 14:05 repo.skype.com_deb_dists_stable_InRelease"
[19:58] <tomreyn> croraf_: hmm, okay, for me (18.04 LTS) it's all owned by root:root, and with group/other read access:  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root
[19:58] <croraf_> im on 20.04.3
[19:59] <tomreyn> croraf_: so you did not apply changes to ownership or permissions there yourself, irght?
[19:59] <tomreyn> *right
[20:00] <croraf_> no
[20:01] <tomreyn> hmm it's also root:root with -rw-r--r-- on a 20.04 LTS VM i have
[20:01] <croraf_> wait i had the same issue yesterday with mongodb package
[20:02] <croraf_> io'ria i think solved it by doing something
[20:03] <croraf_> can you check that in the history
[20:03] <croraf_> 1-2 days ago
[20:03] <croraf_> check how he solved it
[20:03] <tomreyn> so can you.
[20:03] <tomreyn> !irclogs
[20:08] <croraf_> Hmmm, tomreyn. I check that now. Strange. I had mongodb warning yesterday, and apt update showed skype GPG error, so I did
[20:08] <croraf_> curl https://repo.skype.com/data/SKYPE-GPG-KEY | sudo apt-key add -
[20:08] <croraf_> as ior'ia suggested
[20:08] <ViperXL75> I wonder if anyone here has some experience trying to get Intel Quick Sync to work in Ubuntu
[20:09] <croraf_> But that was mongodb permission error. Now I have skype permission error
[20:09] <croraf_> In the UI. But in terminal on apt update I had an error on skype repo.
[20:10] <croraf_> After the curl command skype error in the terminal got fixed, but now I have skype error in the UI
[20:19] <tomreyn> croraf_: sudo find /var/lib/apt/lists -maxdepth 1 -type f -exec chmod 644 {} + -exec chown root:root {} +
[20:20] <tomreyn> this would update permissions and ownership on all files in this very directory /var/lib/apt/lists to match what i'm seeing
[20:20] <ramblebamble> tomreyn, what are the "+" signs for never seen that before
[20:21] <tomreyn> ramblebamble: it's a way to indicate to gnu find that the command to be executed ends there
[20:22] <ramblebamble> ah so that way find executes 2 exec commands at once? I always  used \; the terminate exec, quite interesting thanks
[20:23] <TJ-> ramblebamble: \; only passes one {} but \+ will add as mnay {} as it can to the -exec chown command line
[20:23] <tomreyn> find(1) -> ACTIONS -> -exec command {} +
[20:23] <TJ-> ramblebamble: which results in less executions of the chown command
[20:24] <ramblebamble> TJ- thanks
[20:24] <TJ-> ramblebamble: in other words; more than one filename is put on the 'chown' command line
[20:25] <ramblebamble> yes gotcha, I am always amazed, you know the manpages you read them every once in a while if you need sth and you are still missing stuff :D
[20:25] <TJ-> ramblebamble: especially 'find' !
[20:26] <ramblebamble> yeah, and also sed and awk and they are what? 20-30 years old now?
[20:27] <TJ-> about 14 years ago I was writing long awk programs to analyse ACPI DSDT; forgotten so much, and go back to that code to re-learn the tricks!
[20:27]  * ramblebamble chuckls
[20:27] <ramblebamble> I do the same thing for other stuff I do
[20:28] <ramblebamble> keeping programs around to look stuff up
[20:31] <TJ-> I tend to remember concepts rather than the exact syntax (I know it can be done, and can visualise the solution in almost any programming language or tool, but not the exact syntax or exact option name), so end up rediscovering code from old programs, and command options from man-pages
[20:33] <ramblebamble> hmmm,, until you end up in a programming language with a completly different paradigm but I hear you am the same way
[20:34] <TJ-> gets frustrating when you have to language surf (I have to do that chasing down bugs/adding features across all packages)
[20:35] <ramblebamble> Thankfully, that is something I can only imagine
[20:35] <ramblebamble> When you say packages, are we talking about apt-packages?
[20:36] <TJ-> ramblebamble: yes; all Debian/Ubuntu packages
[20:36] <TJ-> ramblebamble: also some projects I'm on the process of packaging for Debian
[20:36] <ramblebamble> ok then I have to ask, what is your job that you do that?
[20:36] <TJ-> ramblebamble: I don't have one as such
[20:37] <TJ-> I run some R&D/Innovation businesses but I tend to spend my time hacking on code as much as possible
[20:37] <ramblebamble> k, now I am confused
[20:37] <ramblebamble> ah ok gotcha
[20:38] <TJ-> we get to bang our heads against bleeding-edge Debian and Ubuntu bugs :D
[20:38] <ramblebamble> ahh, so that is where the blood comes from when one looks at the edge
[20:39] <TJ-> you got it :) with that, must get to bed, late here. Don't lose your find :)
[20:39] <croraf_> tomreyn, let me see once more. all in that folder have this permission: -rw-r--r--
[20:39] <ramblebamble> :D thanks, nighty night TJ-
[20:40] <croraf_> only this skype that is causing problem has this permission -rw-------
[20:40] <croraf_> So I guess I just have to change that file to have the same permission?
[20:41] <tomreyn> croraf_: you can then just    sudo chmod 644     this file. but you'll also need to change file ownership, i assume
[20:42] <tomreyn> running the find command should still work and not break things
[20:42] <coconut> How do i get appimage apps running on ubuntu?
[20:42] <croraf_> yes, this is the only file that is owned by _apt
[20:44] <croraf_> tomreyn, by just changing the ownership it got the correct permissions
[20:44] <croraf_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root     4502 kol  10 14:05 repo.skype.com_deb_dists_stable_InRelease
[20:45] <tomreyn> croraf_: now run   sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade    and post any output to https://paste.ubuntu.com or another pastebin
[20:45] <croraf_> no change in those commands
[20:45] <croraf_> everything up to date
[20:45] <croraf_> as it was before the fix
[20:46] <tomreyn> no W:arnings, no E:rrors?
[20:46] <croraf_> nothing, not even before this fix
[20:46] <tomreyn> does   sudo apt full-upgrade   want to do anything?
[20:47] <croraf_> The error in the UI disappeard when I closed Skype
[20:47] <croraf_> And now it didnt reappear
[20:47] <croraf_> no, it does nothing
[20:47] <tomreyn> okay, then you should be good
[20:48] <tomreyn> you can run    update-manager    to see whether this remains fine.
[20:49] <tomreyn> there's also the apt daemon in packagekit, though, which could still behave differently.
[20:49] <croraf_> wait, I always had some error in the update-manager
[20:49] <croraf_> but it still did do the updates
[20:49] <croraf_> now the error is no more
[20:49] <croraf_> I only have this error: WARNING:root:can not import unity GI Namespace Unity not available
[20:49] <croraf_> When trying update-manager
[20:50] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version is this?
[20:50] <croraf_> In the terminal, but the UI that gets started is fine.   It's desktop ubuntu 20.04.3
[20:50] <tomreyn> do you run the (only) community supported unity desktop?
[20:51] <croraf_> I guess. I did have some adjustments 2 years ago when my pc didnt want to start.
[20:51] <tomreyn> apt list --installed unity*
[20:51] <croraf_> Something about wayland was the issue then
[20:51] <tomreyn> does this output anything?
[20:52] <croraf_> apt list --installed unity*
[20:52] <croraf_> Listing... Done
[20:52] <tomreyn> so you don't use unity, ok
[20:52] <croraf_> I use default 20 de
[20:53] <tomreyn> what does this return?   apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:54] <croraf_> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/3iw7
[20:56] <Ali_nz> Could someone please help me. After following these instructions https://askubuntu.com/questions/1096052/vmware-15-error-on-ubuntu-18-4-could-not-open-dev-vmmon-no-such-file-or-dire/1145426#1145426 to get VMWare player installed I am getting black screen during boot (dont get login screen and no cursor either) - I can get to a shell through advanced
[20:57] <tomreyn> croraf_: the packages now listed at the given URL are not available from any of your configured apt repositories. these packages should probably be removed unless you know you need to keep them. those you want to keep, you should find a comptable (to your ubuntu release) apt repository for, and configure this.
[20:58] <tomreyn> (so that you'll have an upgrade path)
[20:58] <Ali_nz> It is on a HP Elitedesk Mini G3
[21:00] <coconut> any reason for why backspace or cursor does not keep going when pressed in apps like terminal or just hexchat?
[21:00] <ramblebamble> coconut, most likely configuration of either the app,or the environment, DM/WM
[21:01] <coconut> ramblebamble, any idea where to search? It is over all apps now i guess.
[21:01] <coconut> i have gnome with ubuntu 21.04
[21:03] <ramblebamble> coconut, than I would start by looking at gnome, and I cannot really help you with that because I am on KDE, BUT I found this https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/keyboard-repeat-keys.html.en
[21:03] <ramblebamble> then that is
[21:03] <coconut> thanks ramblebamble!
[21:04] <ramblebamble> np
[21:16] <Ali_nz> Anyone ?
[21:22] <tomreyn> Ali_nz: i won't be able with vmware, but if you're primarily looking for a way to be able to boot again now, disabling secureboot (in bios) may already help.
[21:25] <Ali_nz> tomreyn: yeah good idea
[21:25] <Ali_nz> I need to workout where that setting is in bios
[21:25] <Ali_nz> hold on a sec
[21:30] <Ali_nz> I have the option "Legacy Support Enable and Secure Boot Disable" OR "Legacy Support Disable and Secure Boot Enable" OR "Legacy Suport Disable and Secure Boot Disable"
[21:30] <Ali_nz> which one
[21:31] <tomreyn> the latter is probably fine in your case
[21:32] <tomreyn> bt of yourse this channel is about a linux based operating system, not mainboard model specific firmwares
[21:34] <blahboybaz> Which wpa_supplicant.conf is the right one to add what I see here?:  https://github.com/antisharper/XFINITY-WIFI-LOGIN    I did a $ whereis wpa_supplicant.conf but it pulls up 3 different paths and none of the filename contains the .conf at the end.
[21:35] <Ali_nz> tomreyn: well it was booting fine before i issued the commands in the link I posted - so you cant simply say this is a bios issue and nothing to do with Ubuntu - after all the bios is working - ubuntu isnt
[21:36] <tomreyn> Ali_nz: this was just in response to your question about which option to choose on your bios UI
[21:40] <blahboybaz> The information I'm going off says to "Add to the current file" but I do not see any wpa_supplicant.conf (no existing file) anywhere that whereis had listed
[21:47] <oerheks> blahboybaz, this doesn't work on Ubuntu because the systemd service file starts up wpa_supplicant without specifying a configuration file, you must force it, see the 1st answer with netplan  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1242256/how-to-configure-wpa-supplicant-in-ubuntu-server-20-04
[21:55] <croraf_> tomreyn, could it be that those are installed with snap, or how can I have them without repositories?
[21:55] <croraf_> oh, some of them i compiled or something.
[21:56] <croraf_> or downloaded directly
[21:56] <blahboybaz> oerheks: Thanks but, just for clarification, is this the right way to go about doing this? I mean, is what I was asking about even the right way to connect to that network?
[22:11] <Ali_nz> tomreyn: none of those options (I tried them all) fixes it
[22:11] <Ali_nz> tomreyn: its something to do with Ubuntu
[22:33] <tomreyn> Ali_nz: i'm not familiar with vmware, or the context of the changes you made. on a quick glance, the how-to you decided to follow is about importing a secure boot signature for vmware, probably to make vmware out of tree kernel modules loadable.
[22:33] <tomreyn> Ali_nz: this said, all i can recommend is to undo the changes you made, and to roll back any changes those may have triggered.
[22:43] <koki> lmao
[22:43] <koki> wtf is this irc stuff
[22:44] <tomreyn> !irc | koki
[22:45] <tomreyn> for help with this irc network, please join #libera - this channel is just about ubuntu support.
[22:55] <dman777> is there a guide to extend a ubunut root partition from command line? I can not find one
[22:57] <shay> hello is anyone available?
[22:58] <Bashing-om> !ask | shay
[22:59] <tomreyn> dman777: do you mean a file system on a LVM logical volume?
[23:00] <Bashing-om> dman777: See: ' man fdisk ' as one place to look :D
[23:04] <bfortified> Is there a way to add a block storage device to a Multipass virtual machine running on qemu?
[23:09] <dman777> I just resized my partition using Ubunutu ubuntu-20.04.2-live-server-amd64 in the shell. I used fdisk to grow it. However, I am not able to run e2fsck /dev/vda3 but I get partition is in use. It not mounted. Any ideas why it saids it is in use on ubuntu-20.04.2-live-server-amd64?
[23:34] <klausfiend> dman777: check the output of lsof but you should be able to use resize2fs to update the mount to match the new disk size


[19:02]  * slangasek waves
[19:02] <slangasek> kees, stgraber: do we have quorum and a chair? :)
[19:04] <slangasek> infinity: do you want to register your schedule preferences on https://beta.doodle.com/poll/w2yddwzgw89diicw ?
[19:06] <infinity> Sure.
[19:06] <stgraber> I'm around
[19:06] <slangasek> but no chair and no backup chair
[19:10] <infinity> Done.
[19:16] <infinity> Well, if we're calling this meeting, I need to go nap in a very dark room for an hour or two before getting back to work.
[20:22] <stgraber> slangasek: so the new time slot you selected works for everyone, lets stick to this
[20:23] <slangasek> ack


[14:23]  * genii-around makes a pot of coffee, washes out the mugs
[17:20] <DarwinSurvivor> Well, those mugs were definitely in need of some cleaning!
[17:23]  * genii-around slides DarwinSurvivor a tasty mug of fresh brewed coffee