[06:27] <mzanfardino> trgl: depends on your programming experience
[06:27] <tim167> trgl: c+++, hm that would take a while ;)
[06:27] <trgl> no experience at all
[06:27] <fokuslee> well can anyone look at something real quick for me? its an online lesson i just have a small point i don't understand
[06:27] <black_13> arrenlex interesting wxdev-c++ seems to be under active developement but it is again only win32
[06:27] <mzanfardino> trgl: I'd say start with a class
[06:27] <trgl> just basic computer and hardware knowledge
[06:27] <mzanfardino> trgl: don't change your OS just to learn a language
[06:27] <mzanfardino> trgl: the language will be challenging enough
[06:27] <trgl> overclock and other no biggie stuff
[06:28] <tim167> trgl: what do you want to do? personally I like pyhton, it's easy to learn and very powerful
[06:28] <Giant_sea_turtle> maby its a good thing i cant play FPS now i mite get somthing done like learn somthing :)
[06:28] <rob_p> fokuslee: no promises but I'll take a stab at it...
[06:28] <blanky> !es | pequeno3d
[06:28] <ubotu> pequeno3d: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:28] <trgl> I need to learn this stuff ASAP or I will get stup in college
[06:29] <trgl> C+++ would take me a year or so right?
[06:29] <fokuslee> rob_p thx is easy !! http://www.linuxcommand.org/wss0130.php
[06:29] <trgl> if I have no past experience
[06:29] <mzanfardino> okay, serious linux question: I've managed to clober my desktop when I attempted to upgrade my nvidia video driver.  How do I get it back to something that works?
[06:29] <theflyingfool_> why dont i have write permission to a network mount
[06:29] <fokuslee> rob_p scroll to the adding interactive mode
[06:29] <mzanfardino> trgl: C++ (only 2 pluses)
[06:30] <Giant_sea_turtle> i thought the pluses were a joke ? right?
[06:30] <rob_p> fokuslee: Ok.  I'm there.
[06:30] <trgl> I master English in two years so C++ shouldnt take me that long right?
[06:30] <mzanfardino> trgl: you should start by asking yourself what your ultimate goal is... are you learning to program because you have a specific task in mind, and if so, what is the task and which language is best suited to perform it?
[06:30] <black_13> arrenlex i found it
[06:31] <fokuslee> rob_p: for the case of  if [ -f $filename ] ; then  he only did if != "y" why doesn't he do the else case or = "y" so we can actaully overwrite the file
[06:31] <mzanfardino> trgl: actually, you would have mastered (past-tense)...
[06:32] <trgl> I need to learn C++ because I want to know everything about a certain app
[06:32] <rob_p> fokuslee: Ok, let me see...
[06:33] <tim167> hey guys, how can I print something from the terminal (to the printer, paper and ink thingy...)
[06:33] <fokuslee> rob_p thank u soo much i been stuck for a while hehe
[06:33] <mzanfardino> trgl: well, knowing everything about a certain app and knowing a specific language are often two different things.  However, if you want/need to learn c++ I'd say take a course.  Don't change your OS unless you have to, as you'll spend more time chasing your tail trying to do the things you already know how to do in a different environment.
[06:33] <trgl> lol should I just go grab visual basic
[06:34] <mzanfardino> trgl: very different language from c++
[06:34] <mister_roboto> learning c++ because you want to learn about an app is like undergoing a sex change operation becasue you want to try wearing a dress!
[06:34] <trgl> Ok the reason I want to learn C# and C++ is because I need to hack and modify a certain program/emulator
[06:34] <mzanfardino> trgl: unless you are looking to learn the .NET framework (which you mentioned earlier), in which case there are more similarities, though still not the same language by any stretch of the imagination.
[06:35] <rob_p> fokuslee: the -f is a bash built-in.  It is true if the file exists and is a regular file.  So, he gives the user the option to either overwrite it, or not.
[06:35] <starx> is there any documents for upstart? Because I found something different in initrd.img startup flow comparing with old inittab method.
[06:35] <trgl> and I need to start somewhere because security is too tight for simple stuff like Java and html
[06:35] <mzanfardino> trgl: okay, now you are talking.  You will still want to take a class in the language and not change your os (unless you like the thought of changing sex in order to wear a dress... nice analogy).
[06:36] <rob_p> fokuslee: In other words, if the file does not exist, then why present the user with the option to overwrite?
[06:36] <trgl> take class xd
[06:36] <mzanfardino> trgl: take a class, yes.
[06:36] <fokuslee> rob_p yeah i understand dat but what happens if the user want to overwrite it
[06:36] <trgl> Is there any good self-taught online guide?
[06:37] <fokuslee> rob_p what happen if the user say yes? nothing happens?
[06:37] <mzanfardino> trgl: there is no doubt a lot of info online.  you'll just have to start searching for sites and digging into them.
[06:37] <mister_roboto> trgl: do you know java well? you must know something about it since you called it simple
[06:37] <rob_p> fokuslee: Then he simply enters anything but, "y" for the question.
[06:37] <Roscar> can anybody point me to a guide that will let me use my machine as an internet gateway? I havn't found anything that is peticularily clear.
[06:37] <trgl> let's just say a certain person inspire me to learn C++ and C#
[06:37] <Roscar> I'm running dapper.
[06:37] <trgl> No I don't know Java well and I didn't mean it that way
[06:38] <trgl> It's must for what I intend to do Java and html doesn't help much
[06:38] <linda> C++ I was required to take 'computer science' as a pre requisite which wasn't a bad thing.
[06:38] <mzanfardino> Roscar: I think I read an article on that in Linux Journal recently.  You might try their website for a reference to the article and suggestions...
[06:38] <mister_roboto> trgl: html doesn't really count at all :)
[06:38] <blanky> trgl: I know both
[06:38] <blanky> trgl: I like C# :)
[06:38] <blanky> trgl: and I'm also writing a game in C that uses the Quake 3 Engine
[06:39] <linux_user400354> i created another user on the ubuntu system, but i cant become that user with sudo. sudo 'su - otheruser' does not work
[06:39] <fokuslee> rob_p i think im confusing you can u tell me what his script does if the user answered "y"
[06:39] <trgl> Ragnarok Online anyone?
[06:39] <blanky> trgl: just choose one, I suggest C#, it's RAD (rapid application development), so you'll see results quickly and not get depressed
[06:39] <mzanfardino> C# is remenicent of Delph which of course got it's start as Turbo Pascal... same guy developed C# for Microsoft that developepd Delphi for Borland...
[06:39] <blanky> mzanfardino: yep
[06:39] <blanky> but...?
[06:39] <blanky> I guess you were asking a previous question or something
[06:39] <trgl> I need to learn it to C# to script certain stuff for game emulator
[06:40] <Roscar> mzanfardino: Thanks, I'm surprised this sort of thing isn't easy peasy with the ubuntu disto.
[06:40] <linux_user400354> i created another user on the ubuntu system, but that user can not run any administrator commands. sudo does not prompt for a password to do that. is this a problem with ubuntu?
[06:40] <blanky> Anyways, C# and CLS (.net) are open specifications, in ECMA an ISO
[06:40] <trgl> know more about the security of the server that is running it
[06:40] <riotkittie> linux_user400354: does that user have sudo privs ?
[06:40] <rob_p> fokuslee: It would not exit at that point, but continue to the next operation...
[06:40] <mzanfardino> Roscar: well, I can't say if it's easy-peasy, but I do have a friend that's doing the same thing with some old hardware and he's pretty happy with the results
[06:40] <mister_roboto> trgl: probably the best thing you can do is buy a decent book and start plowing through it
[06:40] <mzanfardino> Roscar: not sure what distro though
[06:40] <linux_user400354> riotkittie: i dont think so but could you please tell me how to give that user sudo privs?
[06:41] <linux_user400354> riotkittie: i did visudo. now what should i put?
[06:41] <mister_roboto> trgl: and write the code as you go through it
[06:41] <rob_p> fokuslee: By entering, "y", it would simply exit after printing, "Exiting program" to stdout.
[06:41] <mzanfardino> linux_user400354: isn't the syntax: su - otheruser (abscent the sudo)?
[06:41] <trgl> I'm a pretty determine guy but I need to know how long to master C++ and C# if self-taught at home 1 hour a day maybe more.
[06:42] <fokuslee> rob_p, ok i was just wondering why he didn't put if [ "$response" = "y" ] ; then filename=$response
[06:42] <rob_p> fokuslee: er... I mean *anything but, "y"*...
[06:42] <mzanfardino> trgl: everyone is different.  If you have programming accumen, not long.  If not, could take forever.
[06:42] <mister_roboto> trgl: kind of depends on where you are starting from. you can learn it in less than a year if you already program and have the luxury of starting from something with a similar kind of syntax
[06:42] <linux_user400354> mzanfardino: sudo should let me do it without knowing that person's password. sure i  could do it that way, but thats not what the problem is.
[06:43] <fokuslee> rob_p that way the user acutally overwirtes the file here it seems nothing really is done
[06:43] <riotkittie> linux_user400354: put where? in the sudoers file?  i am not sure. hm.   does sudo -u otheruser work?
[06:43] <mzanfardino> t
[06:43] <mzanfardino> linux_user400354: I see... ok, just curiosu
[06:43] <btsdev> i just downloaded and installed 6.10 for amd64 and my machine is crashing a lot.. anyone experiencing this?
[06:43] <rob_p> fokuslee: Well, as you can see, there are many ways to accomplish the same thing in a shell script.  You can chang the negation as long as you compensate in the function it applies to.
[06:43] <theflyingfool_> what would i set the owner of a folder 2 if i wanted it 2 be rw for everyone
[06:43] <trgl> x( my schedule is full so I can't take any class to learn it within the next two years
[06:43] <asdx> hi, how can i install flash 9 on x86_64 ubuntu 6.10?
[06:44] <blanky> trgl: just forget about that dude, no one knows for sure, there aren't charts that tell you those types of things
[06:44] <Giant_sea_turtle> btsdev: what kind of computer processor do you have?
[06:44] <linux_user400354> how can i make a user a member of the admin group?
[06:44] <asdx> do i need a 32 bit firefox version?
[06:44] <blanky> trgl: just learn it, you're going to learn it either way right? you say you're determined, so what's the problem?
[06:44] <btsdev> Giant_sea_turtle: amd64 newcastle 3200+ 2.2ghz
[06:44] <trgl> there was a line I saw earlier "Learn C++ in 24 days"
[06:44] <blanky> trgl: just choose any of the two languages, or any language for that matter, see if you like it, if you don't, choose another one
[06:44] <blanky> trgl: that's the title of a book by Sam publishers
[06:44] <blanky> or whatever they're called
[06:44] <kbrosnan> asdx: yes 32 bit firefox would work
[06:44] <fokuslee> rob_p ok i sort of understand ur saying he takes care of it latter rite? since this is just a subscript
[06:44] <mzanfardino> trgl: the time you've spent here asking how long it will take you to learn you could have spent getting your feet wet...
[06:44] <fokuslee> rob_p so if he answer
[06:44] <blanky> trgl: you typically DON'T learn it by then, or master it at least
[06:45] <rob_p> fokuslee: Yes, it appears that way.
[06:45] <arrenlex> asdx: You need the 32-bit version, yes.
[06:45] <fokuslee> Y we just move on
[06:45] <trgl> thanks guy for help me
[06:45] <fokuslee> rob_p ok thx soo much
[06:45] <kbrosnan> asdx: the other option is http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux-amd64.html
[06:45] <blanky> mzanfardino is right, trgl
[06:45] <rob_p> fokuslee: you're welcome
[06:45] <arrenlex> asdx: I strongly advise you to use a 32-bit distribution. You won't notice a difference on a desktop system, and it will help a lot with compatibility.
[06:45] <theflyingfool_> does fstab load at login or at reboot
[06:45] <trgl> So window then :( crappy window god damn it
[06:45] <trgl> Linspire here I come
[06:46] <arrenlex> asdx: ndiswrapper is not very stable.
[06:46] <trgl> XD
[06:46] <blanky> trgl: haha linspire, asking in an ubuntu channel, aaah hahaha, good luck man
[06:46] <Szaman> I got question about building shared library and dlsym(). I got everything build but the dlsym() is not working. Any one familiar with this. Or can help?
[06:46] <mzanfardino> trgl: if you want to switch to and learn linux, go for it.  I've recently made the move and I'm very happy.  I only know the 20% to get the 80% of my work done, but for me half the fun is learning...
[06:46] <mister_roboto> mzanfardino: he's gone :)
[06:46] <mzanfardino> alsas
[06:46] <mzanfardino> alas
[06:47] <blanky> Szaman: don't mean this in a bad way, but this is more of an operating system support channel, maybe you might find people better suited for this at a more appropriate channel, maybe ##C?
[06:47] <mzanfardino> so am I
[06:47] <Szaman> ok
[06:47] <mzanfardino> unfortunately, it's time to reinstall as I've obliterated my X...
[06:47] <blanky> Szaman: let me know how it goes
[06:47] <blanky> mzanfardino: sucks
[06:47] <arrenlex> mzanfardino: You should never need to reinstall. What did you break? It should be easy to put X back.
[06:47] <mzanfardino> arrenlex: now you are talking arrenlex
[06:48] <blanky> he's probably used to the windows mentality haha, I am too
[06:48] <arrenlex> mzanfardino: Well I knew it couldn't have been English.
[06:48] <mzanfardino> arrenlex: ok, in a work, nvidia. specifically, I attempted to install the latest video driver, only to discover that there is a problem between the driver loaded on my system and the image that boots...
[06:48] <mzanfardino> work=word*
[06:49] <asdx> arrenlex: nspluginwrapper you mean?
[06:49] <btsdev> is anyone here running 6.10 for amd64 that is/was crashing a lot?
[06:49] <mzanfardino> arrenlex: it turns out my experience with the ATI driver and config programs have been no help in upgrading an nvidia card/driver
[06:49] <arrenlex> asdx: Isn't that what I said?
[06:50] <asdx> 23:45 < arrenlex> asdx: ndiswrapper is not very stable.
[06:50] <riotkittie> linux_user400354: i suppose you could, in X, go to the System menu > Admin > user/groups ... and add otheruser to the admin group , if you want them to have full access
[06:50] <asdx> arrenlex: you said ndiswrapper
[06:50] <fokuslee> Darn Linux is a learning experience. ( i never read so much in my entire life)  Im off again.  Much love 4  rob_p
[06:50] <arrenlex> asdx: Oh, I guess that's not what I said. xD Yes, I meant pluginwrapper
[06:50] <blanky> mzanfardino: I've always used ATI, I don't know what everyone's complaining about haha
[06:50] <mister_roboto> mzanfardino: can't you just replace your /etc/X11/xorg.conf with the previous one containing your old driver?
[06:50] <asdx> arrenlex: ok
[06:50] <mzanfardino> arrenlex: I downloaded the nvidia .run file and proceeded to upgrade the driver, but I have no idea how to check the config,,
[06:50] <blanky> mzanfardino: I get good FPS, and they never crash
[06:50] <riotkittie> or man visudo  or man sudoers  perhaps
[06:50] <blanky> mzanfardino: you should've done it how the wiki tells you to, I never had any luck with the site drivers
[06:50] <mzanfardino> blanky: yeah, but I have a dual-head nvidia fx5600 which is pretty sweet, when it works! :)
[06:50] <arrenlex> mzanfardino: Any particular reason the drivers in the ubuntu repositories aren't good enough? Were you following the !nvidia guide\do you know about it?
[06:51] <blanky> yeah what arrenlex said
[06:51] <linda> C++ You can save time by taking a night class twice a week (3 hrs).  This is a lot better than in a book, not to mention asking questions and you'll end on with a book too
[06:51] <blanky> try installing it thw wiki way it might overwrite things?
[06:51] <mzanfardino> mister_roboto: tried that, now when I boot my screens go dark, but I can clearly log on as I can hear it loading the desktop when I enter a user name and password (no screen)
[06:51] <blanky> im sure you can do this through the console
[06:51] <riotkittie> less /etc/X11/xorg.conf     ... there should be an xorg.conf.with-today's-date-tacked-to-the-end. .. you can cp that to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:51] <arrenlex> !who | riotkittie
[06:51] <ubotu> riotkittie: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[06:52] <mzanfardino> arrenlex: 1) no paritcular reason, save I wanted the latest and greatest to see if I get better performance for WoW. 2) I am aware of the doc 3) I thought I was, but I may have missed something...
[06:52] <blanky> mzanfardino: did you ever get it to work
[06:52] <theflyingfool_> shouldnt the same line of one thing from fstab do the same thing for a differnt drive set up the same way
[06:52] <linux_user400354> riotkittie: cant. i dont have x right now.
[06:52] <blanky> :)
[06:52] <mzanfardino> blanky: WoW?  Yeah, it works with the current driver, but the performace wasn't what I expected.
[06:53] <mzanfardino> bottom line: I wanted to upgrade my video before I build a fresh wine so I could see if my performance would improve...
[06:53] <arrenlex> mzanfardino: Are you sure you were trying the nvidia driver? Or was it nv?
[06:53] <mzanfardino> arrenlex: let me check my xorg.conf
[06:54] <arrenlex> mzanfardino: I meant when you had poor performance.
[06:54] <mzanfardino> arrenlex: oh, let me check. I think it was nv
[06:54] <arrenlex> mzanfardino: There you go. nv doesn'ts support 3D acceleration at all.
[06:54] <mzanfardino> arrenlex: and as for now, my xorg is back to generic video and it still doesn't load
[06:54] <mzanfardino> arrenlex: ah...
[06:55] <snide> hey guys, i just installed nvidia-glx package .. and typed sudo nvidia-glx-config enable but i got the following error : "Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed the nvidia driver for your running kernel." well.. but isnt the glx itself is a driver?
[06:55] <mister_roboto> mzanfardino: did you try dpkg-reconfigure?
[06:55] <mobile> can i prevent totem mozilla plugin from playing files automatically?
[06:55] <mzanfardino> arrenlex: no, I stand corrected, I was using nvidia
[06:55] <mister_roboto> mzanfardino: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:56] <arrenlex> snide: No. The driver itself is a kernel module included in the restricted-modules package. Run this: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[06:56] <snide> ;o alright ill try
[06:56] <snide> done installing .. now what
[06:56] <arrenlex> mzanfardino: What would happen if you changed X to use the nvidia driver?
[06:56] <mzanfardino> mister_roboto: that was the magic I was looking for!
[06:56] <snide> run the command again?
[06:56] <mzanfardino> brb all
[06:57] <snide> later mazna
[06:57] <mister_roboto> it will reset your X configuration by reconfiguring it again
[06:57] <arrenlex> mzanfardino: That was "nv driver" and do what mister_roboto says first.
[06:58] <snide> arrenlex i have done what you said .. then i ran the same command "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" and got the same error again
[06:58] <arrenlex> snide: Do you know about this guide?
[06:58] <arrenlex> !nvidia | snide
[06:58] <ubotu> snide: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:58] <arrenlex> That reminds me, ohmans. I totally broke my X today. But I fixed it :D My computer was testing me to see if I still had the mettle to help out on #ubuntu.
[06:58] <snide> no i didnt, ill check that guide out .. thanks!
[06:59] <snide> and thanks ubotu for the site
[06:59] <arrenlex> !botsnack
[06:59] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:59] <snide> !nvidia
[06:59] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:00] <blanky> oooo!
[07:00] <blanky> !botsnack
[07:00] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:00] <racarr> Anyone have advice on getting i180 FB working for decent res in TTY?
[07:00] <blanky> :)
[07:00] <mzanfardino> ok, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg complete... time to see if it works...
[07:02] <nomin> what does build-dep mean when?
[07:02] <nomin> what does build-dep mean?
[07:02] <blanky> we heard you
[07:02] <blanky> are you building from source/compiling?
[07:03] <LazyAngel> i want a program that tails log files and runs in the background on the desktop. I have tried root-tail a long time ago, but that didnt work well with gnome. Any other suggestions?
[07:03] <nomin> yes.  I just want to know what it means.
[07:03] <Flannel> nomin: it grabs the build (from source) dependencies for whatever package you specify
[07:03] <Giant_sea_turtle> build debian package
[07:03] <Flannel> nomin: man apt-get for more info ;)
[07:03] <polemarch> f
[07:03] <arrenlex> Flannel: man apt-build, no?
[07:03] <racarr> !framebuffer
[07:03] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[07:04] <blanky> what's up Flannel !
[07:04] <blanky> mzanfardino: how it go
[07:04] <ademan> are there any utils to decrypt wmvs?
[07:04] <mzanfardino> blanky: well, it looked promising.. I finished the reconfigure and started gdm and low and behold the glory of my desktop... so then I booted.. and I'm back to the kernel not loading X.... I
[07:05] <blanky> ademan: I /think/ you can find out in what's it called, !restrictedformats
[07:05] <blanky> !restrictedformats | ademan
[07:05] <ubotu> ademan: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:05] <LazyAngel> anyone?
[07:05] <mzanfardino> blanky: I think I must have an issue with the image of my kernal and the driver I'm installeed
[07:05] <mzanfardino> what is the grub command to rebuild menu.lst?
[07:05] <mzanfardino> maybe I need to be sure I'm loading the right img...
[07:05] <arrenlex> mzanfardino: sudo update-grub
[07:05] <blanky> mzanfardino: or you can do vim /boot/grub/menu.lst if you want to take a look, update-grub never worked for me
[07:06] <arrenlex> blanky: What do you mean, "never worked"?
[07:06] <mzanfardino> blanky: I've edited menu.lst before, no problem.  I just wanted to be sure the img file that's loading is the "right one"..
[07:06] <ademan> blanky: i meant like encrypted, copy protected or whatever
[07:06] <mzanfardino> arrenlex: thank you. I"m off to rebott...
[07:06] <blanky> ademan: that didn't work?
[07:06] <arrenlex> ademan: I doubt it. Google would be your best bet there, I think.
[07:07] <Giant_sea_turtle> dose using an auto installer, using resricted packages and codacs mean im gonna be hacked?
[07:07] <blanky> arrenlex: I tried it once and it didn't seem to do anything haha
[07:07] <arrenlex> blanky: Not to play them. To decrypt them, when they are encrypted with DRM.
[07:07] <blanky> ooohh
[07:07] <blanky> I dont know :)
[07:07] <blanky> DRM's already in use?! man I'm so behind
[07:07] <arrenlex> blanky: It refreshes your automagic sources.list
[07:08] <blanky> arrenlex: oh, grub-update?
[07:08] <arrenlex> blanky: Are you kidding?! 0_0 DRM's been in use for ages! iPods, wma, wmv, DVD...
[07:08] <arrenlex> blanky: update-grub
[07:08] <blanky> ohh, I guess I never knew what drm meant then haha
[07:08] <arrenlex> blanky: Digital Rights Management
[07:08] <arrenlex> blanky: Keep you from using things you buy.
[07:08] <blanky> Right, I OH, I think it was something else like WDM or something, something for ms
[07:09] <nothlit> ademan, lol you can only open non drmed files with w32codecs
[07:09] <blanky> must've gotten confused hahaha
[07:09] <ademan> nothlit: right, which is why i'm looking for somethign that will de-DRM them
[07:09] <blanky> when you play a file you're not decrypting it?
[07:09] <arrenlex> ademan: Again, google is your best bet.
[07:09] <arrenlex> blanky: If it's DRMed, you can't play it.
[07:09] <ademan> decoding or demuxing i think is the correct term :-p
[07:09] <blanky> oh, haha I'll just shut up now
[07:09] <ademan> arrenlex: i've been googling since you first said it :-p
[07:10] <mzanfardino> hmm... ok, I'm looking at the log and it specifically states: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module as the version 1.0.7184 but this X module has the version 1.0.9746...
[07:10] <LazyAngel> ill try again: i want a program that tails log files and runs in the background on the desktop. I have tried root-tail a long time ago, but that didnt work well with gnome. Any other suggestions?
[07:10] <nothlit> ademan, rofl gl with that
[07:10] <mzanfardino> so I still have a version mismatch...
[07:11] <nothlit> mzanfardino, you need to blacklist the nvidia module in restricted modules r smth
[07:11] <hagabaka> hmm...is the iconv man page in ubuntu edgy messed up?
[07:11] <blanky> ademan: I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, but have you tried "decrypt drm wmv" ? lot's of things ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=decrypt+drm+wmv&btnG=Google+Search ) came up for me, I figure you've already tried it but just in case
[07:11] <mzanfardino> nothlit: blacklist... ok... one sec
[07:11] <blanky> !blacklist
[07:11] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add "blacklist modulename" to the end of that list
[07:11] <blanky> !botsnack
[07:11] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:11] <blanky> :')
[07:12] <rob_p> LazyAngel: You could easily script it and use zenity to produce the nice qui dialog...
[07:12] <ademan> blanky: naw i was just wondering if there were any tools you guys knew of off the top of your head, besides, i figure most of what i'll get is windows-centric (i could try it with WINE but... meh)
[07:12] <mister_roboto> LazyAngel: i googled "root-tail gnome" and the very first link had a few suggestions
[07:12] <mzanfardino> nothlit: do you have the exact syntax I should use?  Or is it simply "blacklist nvidia"?
[07:12] <blanky> ademan: yeah haha, sorry never even knew what all that meant, so I wouldn't know :(
[07:12] <blanky> modprobe I think?
[07:13] <blanky> I don't even know what that command does
[07:13] <nothlit> mzanfardino, gimme a sec, still regoogling
[07:13] <blanky> I figure it 'probes' waht modules are running or something, then you can see the name?
[07:13] <blanky> hahaha I don't know
[07:13] <mister_roboto> blanky: "man" is man's best friend :)
[07:13] <Giant_sea_turtle> waaaa
[07:13] <blanky> :D
[07:13] <polemarch> :)
[07:13] <arrenlex> ademan: This seems to imply no. http://www.boycott-riaa.com/forums/fsharing/2863
[07:14] <arrenlex> ademan: Tell your friends to start sending you ogm. =P
[07:14] <blanky> bitchslapper: !!!!
[07:14] <nothlit> mzanfardino, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490 last section
[07:14] <blanky> ROFL
[07:14] <blanky> man
[07:14] <blanky> hahahaha
[07:14] <bitchslapper> I have been struggling to get my ATI drivers to work :( .. no matter what I do, my gl driver still is Mesa
[07:14] <bitchslapper> blanky, :)
[07:14] <blanky> bitchslapper: that used to happen to me haha
[07:14] <blanky> bitchslapper: watch
[07:15] <ademan> bitchslapper: have you edited your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[07:15] <blanky> the way I fixed it, and everyone will probably whip me for saying this or doing it
[07:15] <LazyAngel> mister_roboto: that doesn't give any good solutions. conky would be better i think
[07:15] <bitchslapper> well .. I did aticonfig --initial
[07:15] <ademan> bitchslapper: oh, dunno if that modifies your xorg.conf
[07:15] <arrenlex> bitchslapper: a) could you change your name to something that doesn't make me reach for !language? b) what card, what driver?
[07:15] <ademan> i've got an NVIDIA :-p
[07:15] <blanky> bitchslapper: but, I noticed there were like a million libGL.so files and I renamed them all one by one to see one made a difference, until I found it
[07:15] <mister_roboto> LazyAngel: i'm not pretending to know the answer, and don't run gnome. just didn't know if you looked there :)
[07:15] <mzanfardino> nothlit: once more please... I'm having to use irssi for irc and w3c for web
[07:16] <mzanfardino> nothlit: nm...
[07:16] <lebowski> alright
[07:16] <nothlit> mzanfardino, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490 last section
[07:16] <blanky> :'(
[07:16] <lebowski> help me out here :(
[07:16] <lebowski> I've got a x1400 ...
[07:16] <lebowski> ATI
[07:16] <lebowski> I have done this before, and got full acceleration, I don't know what's wrong this time around
[07:16] <arrenlex> lebowski: Please pastebin the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:16] <nothlit> mzanfardino, the whole mismatch thing is why I now get freaked out about installing nvidia drivers in ubuntu without using a repo
[07:16] <blanky> arrenlex: what's that one bot command, to tell everything in one line
[07:16] <lebowski> arrenlex, alright ...
[07:16] <blanky> instead
[07:16] <blanky> of
[07:16] <blanky> talking
[07:16] <arrenlex> !enter | blanky
[07:16] <ubotu> blanky: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:16] <blanky> like
[07:16] <mzanfardino> nothlit: I'm beginning to feal that way...
[07:17] <riotkitt1e> yay. it works.
[07:17] <mzanfardino> nothlit: but this is fun too! :)
[07:17] <blanky> NOOO! I meant on lebowski !! >=O
[07:17] <riotkitt1e> this windows box is suddenly ... almost less vile :D
[07:17] <LazyAngel> mister_roboto:  thanks for the effort. But i cant belive there are so few people running it?
[07:17] <blanky> lebowski: yeah that happened to me too
[07:18] <mister_roboto> LazyAngel: yes, i'd think most people here would be. i use kde though
[07:18] <blanky> GUYS, what ever happened to the good old days of 4.*/5.* when it was easy to install drivers :'( when the wiki actually WORKED
[07:18] <blanky> lebowski: keep trying! I have an ATI, so, sorry :( arrenlex has an nvidia though
[07:18] <holycow> blanky, what are you talking about?
[07:19] <blanky> holycow: nothing
[07:19] <holycow> clearly
[07:19] <blanky> :(
[07:19] <mister_roboto> LazyAngel: that said, i still don't use root-tail so i have no clue about the issues. just remember reading something a long time ago about how both kde and gnome have a root window that prevents root-tail from working. <shrug>
[07:19] <blanky> arrenlex: I thought you said you, wait, what?!
[07:19] <lebowski> blanky, you recall what made it work?
[07:19] <blanky> oh I guess it's ademan
[07:19] <arrenlex> blanky: I have an ATI card.
[07:19] <riotkittie> sweet. i can bask in the beauty of ubuntu from teh other side of the room.
[07:19] <lebowski> arrenlex, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2010/ .. scroll down and you'd see the original xorg.conf
[07:20] <blanky> lebowski: nah man sorry I have an Ati
[07:20] <lebowski> blanky, ?? I too have an ATI
[07:20] <zoexii> hello, I am following instructions from ubuntu forums for hard disk install for ppc (https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/powerpc/boot-drive-files.html) but cannot find yaboot in the ubuntu archive (http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/hd-media/)  please, where can I find this?
[07:20] <blanky> oh wiat what?! you said you had an nvidia!
[07:20] <arrenlex> lebowski: The top one is actually what I was looking for.  Disable composite.
[07:24] <lebowski> Giant_sea_turtle, I have had acceleration before, I have followed the instructions .. word by word ..
[07:24] <lebowski> arrenlex, awesome .. let me try that
[07:24] <blanky> lebowski: /etc/X11/xorg.conf disable composite rendering
[07:24] <arrenlex> lebowski: add this to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:24] <arrenlex> Section "Extensions"
[07:24] <arrenlex>         Option "Composite" "Disable"
[07:24] <arrenlex> EndSection
[07:24] <Suavsilk> nah rhythmbox dosnt support skins :'(
[07:24] <Suavsilk> abai
[07:24] <lebowski> arrenlex, alright
[07:24] <zoexii> can anyone help with a ppc harddrive install?
[07:25] <mzanfardino> nothlit: thank you for the site.  I've now done what it says... let's see if we can't get this buggar to work now...
[07:25] <mzanfardino> wish me luck
[07:25] <lebowski> arrenlex, right atthe end?
[07:25] <arrenlex> lebowski: Then restart X completely (not just logging out). If you still can't get rendering, post a new /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:25] <arrenlex> lebowski: End will do.
[07:25] <Giant_sea_turtle> lebowski: if your chip set is above R481 on your card i dont think it will work with DRI.. mine dosent
[07:25] <lebowski> arrenlex, ctrl-alt-del at the kdm would do?
[07:26] <Giant_sea_turtle> i have 2d rendering though and thats fine for me i guess..
[07:26] <lebowski> Giant_sea_turtle, let me try this out ...
[07:26] <arrenlex> lebowski: won't ctrl-alt-del restart your computer? ctrl+alt+bksp at kdm will do.
[07:26] <lebowski> arrenlex, oh yeah .. :) .. I meant that
[07:26] <Gunslinger|Deags> arrenlex it finally completed my apt get xubuntu and gave me the unabe to fetch some archives maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing
[07:26] <mzanfardino> what I really don't like about the NVIDIA installer is the way it hides what it's doing...
[07:26] <hagabaka> which package(s) give me /usr/locale/*? dpkg -S doesn't find it
[07:27] <hagabaka> i'm trying to install new locales in it
[07:27] <arrenlex> Gunslinger|Deags: That's not good. What happens if you apt-get update?
[07:27] <Giant_sea_turtle> lebowski: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardware#head-298bd23baafb9c2fad1774d1d2fa54bd2aa55e7d <--- this is were im getting my information
[07:27] <Gunslinger|Deags> havnt tried it
[07:27] <Gunslinger|Deags> should i try it now?
[07:27] <arrenlex> Yes
[07:28] <Gunslinger|Deags> could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock -open ( 13 permissions denied )
[07:28] <Giant_sea_turtle> lebowski: im just dissapointed that the video card i bout last year dosent have direct rendering support
[07:28] <arrenlex> Giant_sea_turtle: what card?
[07:29] <lebowski> arrenlex, awesome! it works!!
[07:29] <lebowski> thanks!
[07:29] <Giant_sea_turtle> arrenlex: 1300x , i think you already asked
[07:29] <blanky> lebowski: it was my idea
[07:29] <arrenlex> lebowski: np :) glad to hear it
[07:29] <blanky> i told arrenlex
[07:29] <blanky> !botsnack
[07:29] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:29] <arrenlex> Giant_sea_turtle: what driver are you trying to use.
[07:29] <lebowski> blanky, really? alright .. thanks to you too then
[07:29] <blanky> :D
[07:30] <lebowski> I have another question .. but let me try it first
[07:30] <blanky> just playing :P it was all arrenlex' idea :D
[07:30] <Giant_sea_turtle> arrenlex: ati-driver-installer-8.33.6-x86.x86_64.run
[07:30] <zoexii> jeebus! does anyone here even see this text I type?  where can I find yaboot (ppc bootloader) within the archives... it does not appear under the install directory, and according to the forums, it should be there somewhere.
[07:30] <riotkittie> ho hum. i need something else to throw my hands up in disgust over
[07:30] <erg> allo all
[07:31] <corevette> is there an app...any app...open source or closed source that will detect the quality of a selected video file?
[07:31] <Gunslinger|Deags> arrenlex any ideas could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock -open ( 13 permissions denied )
[07:31] <arrenlex> Gunslinger|Deags: Do you still have an apt-get process open?
[07:31] <lebowski> blanky, :)
[07:31] <Gunslinger|Deags> yea
[07:31] <niekie> zoexii, we see your text, but not everyone might know an answer :)
[07:31] <Gunslinger|Deags> i havnt restarted or anything
[07:31] <Gunslinger|Deags> if thats what i mean
[07:31] <zoexii> corevette: the quality? what do you mean?
[07:31] <riotkittie> zoexii: i see you but being unfamiliar with mac installs,  i have no answer
[07:31] <arrenlex> Giant_sea_turtle: could you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log for me, please? I'm curious.
[07:32] <arrenlex> Gunslinger|Deags: Oh! Are you using sudo? You should be.
[07:32] <erg> maybe someone here can answer this question: what is a good basic book on linux?
[07:32] <Gunslinger|Deags> ya
[07:32] <Giant_sea_turtle> arrenlex: alrighty hold on
[07:32] <Gunslinger|Deags> thats all i can use
[07:32] <corevette> zoexii the resolution will stop getting blurier
[07:32] <blanky> erg: there's an ubuntu book by appress
[07:32] <blanky> apress, whatever it's called
[07:32] <arrenlex> Gunslinger|Deags: Hmm. It shouldn't matter... as long as apt terminated. Restart, I guess? I dunno.
[07:32] <blanky> (good company)
[07:32] <blanky> erg: I got the ebook, it looks pretty nice
[07:32] <Gunslinger|Deags> ok lemme try it
[07:32] <Gunslinger|Deags> if not we can start over
[07:32] <Gunslinger|Deags> i have all night
[07:32] <erg> ok thanks, any other reccomends
[07:32] <corevette> zoexii the maximum resolution of the video before the pixels start spreading
[07:33] <blanky> erg: sorry that's the only one i know :(
[07:33] <blanky> erg: it's easier to learn by yourself, just use it and you'll learn as you use it
[07:33] <erg> is ok blanky thank you for the reccomend
[07:33] <blanky> erg: you're welcome :)
[07:33] <lebowski> arrenlex, just curious, where does the log say that DRI was disabled?
[07:34] <zoexii> corevette: i don't know that it is possible for the resolution of a video to change in midstream...
[07:34] <japr> hi, is it true there will be a IE7 version for linux?
[07:34] <riotkittie> erg:  i personally like Oreilly Linux in a Nutshell for general linux reading... Oreilly also has a pretty good Ubuntu specific book out
[07:34] <erg> I know using helps but I am also installing gentoo on a test box (using dapper drake on the main) when I asked this question in #gentoo I got some rude replys
[07:34] <zoexii> corevette: I've certainly never come across any files that do this.
[07:34] <corevette> zoexii you know just the quality of a movie......
[07:34] <blanky> japr: I doubt it, but I saw a blog post on getting IE7 to work under linux
[07:34] <arrenlex> japr: Uh, no?
[07:34] <erg> riot - thank you was wondering about that
[07:34] <Taime1> how do i install an nvidia driver for my nforce card?
[07:35] <blanky> !nvidia | Taime1
[07:35] <ubotu> Taime1: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:35] <riotkittie> japr: you can probably run it in WINE, but ... eww.
[07:35] <Giant_sea_turtle> arrenlex: http://pastebin.ca/320270
[07:35] <zoexii> corevette: the bitrate perhaps?  if you install and use mplayer at the commandline, it will print all sorts of stats in the terminal. you might want to try that.
[07:35] <blanky> ewewewewewew like riotkittie
[07:35] <Gunslinger|Deags> ok well im having problems
[07:35] <blanky> said
[07:35] <arrenlex> lebowski: When I pasted the error it had the line number at the beginning. Go look.
[07:35] <Gunslinger|Deags> see i dont want this text based shit
[07:35] <Gunslinger|Deags> i dunno how to use it
[07:35] <Gunslinger|Deags> all i get is a place to enter tesxt
[07:35] <lebowski> arrenlex, alright
[07:35] <erg> IE7? it is FAR better to use links!
[07:35] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: what are you talking about haha
[07:35] <riotkittie> i nearly died laughing the first time i saw ie7.
[07:35] <corevette> zoexii i'll check it out
[07:35] <Gunslinger|Deags> ok i start up ubuntu
[07:36] <Gunslinger|Deags> and it brings me to a text login
[07:36] <riotkittie> elinks > links :P
[07:36] <Gunslinger|Deags> instead of a nice login
[07:36] <Gunslinger|Deags> so i login
[07:36] <Gunslinger|Deags> and then all i get is like in dos
[07:36] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: but can you get to the desktop at all?
[07:36] <Gunslinger|Deags> where u can enter text
[07:36] <Gunslinger|Deags> no
[07:36] <erg> riot ok how about mosaic then?
[07:36] <Gunslinger|Deags> i must have installed it wrong
[07:36] <japr> yes, but I have 2 problems. 1st my dictionary only works on IE and I'm a webdesigner, so I need to test under IE
[07:36] <Gunslinger|Deags> actually to be honest i dunno how to even
[07:36] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: are you connected to the internet? yes you installed something wrong, or you probably installed the server version
[07:36] <arrenlex> Giant_sea_turtle: lmao! You have the same error: 905. (II) fglrx(0): Composite extension enabled, disabling direct rendering
[07:36] <Gunslinger|Deags> o
[07:36] <Gunslinger|Deags> i did
[07:36] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: to check, try to type ping www.google.com
[07:36] <arrenlex> Giant_sea_turtle: do the same thing I told him to do... scroll up.
[07:36] <Gunslinger|Deags> but i was told to install the server version
[07:36] <Gunslinger|Deags> im online
[07:37] <Gunslinger|Deags> cause i used the minimal cd version
[07:37] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: okay, you can easily install a desktop
[07:37] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: no problem
[07:37] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: but you're sure you are connected to the internet right?
[07:37] <Gunslinger|Deags> ok i wanna install the xubuntu thing tho
[07:37] <Gunslinger|Deags> yes
[07:37] <Gunslinger|Deags> i am
[07:37] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: okay, so you want xubuntu?
[07:37] <Gunslinger|Deags> yes
[07:37] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: type 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:37] <Gunslinger|Deags> because
[07:37] <Gunslinger|Deags> its a slow pc
[07:37] <Gunslinger|Deags> ok i did that
[07:37] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: you already did?
[07:37] <Gunslinger|Deags> and it went though its process
[07:37] <Gunslinger|Deags> then it said
[07:37] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: and then?
[07:37] <Gunslinger|Deags> error
[07:37] <Gunslinger|Deags> type apt-get update
[07:38] <blanky> yeah, what was it, you kind of remember?
[07:38] <Gunslinger|Deags> or try some fix file thing
[07:38] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: did you type sudo apt-get update ?
[07:38] <Giant_sea_turtle> arrenlex: ok ill try Option "Composite" "Disable"
[07:38] <Gunslinger|Deags> yes
[07:38] <Gunslinger|Deags> and it said error
[07:38] <Gunslinger|Deags> some file was locked
[07:38] <blanky> ah okay
[07:38] <nnn> Hi people.... help me please I read all articles all about it and can't understand why in Zend only I get error:  MySQL Error:<br>2002:Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)<br>in file: PHPDocument2.php<br> on line: 4<br>" phpmyadmin and other my php scripts work with MySQL ^((
[07:38] <Gunslinger|Deags> so i was told to restart
[07:38] <Gunslinger|Deags> and i did
[07:38] <Gunslinger|Deags> and now im here
[07:38] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: and it tells you it's locked again?
[07:38] <erg> take care all
[07:38] <Gunslinger|Deags> o no i didnt try it yet now
[07:38] <erg> bye
[07:38] <blanky> bye erg
[07:38] <Gunslinger|Deags> we were talking
[07:38] <Gunslinger|Deags> lol
[07:39] <Gunslinger|Deags> cya erg
[07:39] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: yes, you can press CTRL+ALT+F(insert number) to get a new terminal/screen
[07:39] <blanky> don't do taht though
[07:39] <lebowski> are there any How to I could read to configure my external monitor, I don't care about my notebook's display, but I want my monitor running at native resolution
[07:39] <blanky> arrenlex: can you help Gunslinger|Deags ? I have to go
[07:39] <Gunslinger|Deags> he was helpin me before
[07:40] <arrenlex> Gunslinger|Deags: So if you run "sudo apt-get update", you get an error?
[07:40] <Gunslinger|Deags> i did
[07:40] <blanky> the aptitude is locked error I think he got, he restarted though
[07:40] <Gunslinger|Deags> now im restarting
[07:40] <Gunslinger|Deags> one sec
[07:40] <blanky> I thought you already restarted, but whatever, haha
[07:40] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: wait
[07:40] <Gunslinger|Deags> i did
[07:40] <arrenlex> Giant_sea_turtle: Note that it's its own section.  Then log back in.
[07:41] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: no problem, then if it gives you the error again, ask for that one command that I don't know the name, something like --force unlock or something like that, arrenlex do you know it?
[07:42] <yong111> help
[07:42] <arrenlex> Just remove the lockfile manually. If you've restarted, it's safe.
[07:42] <riotkittie> yong111: what do you need help with ?
[07:42] <blanky> how can he do that? (He's apparently new)
[07:42] <nwonknu-> hey
[07:42] <yong111> i'm trying to install a driver for my wireless card
[07:42] <nwonknu-> I'll think about it
[07:42] <arrenlex> Gunslinger|Deags: y\n: you've restarted. Right?
[07:42] <Gunslinger|Deags> ok well lets try this first since u have o go he can help me if it doesnt work
[07:42] <Gunslinger|Deags> ya
[07:42] <yong111> and it's asking where the linux source directory is
[07:42] <Gunslinger|Deags> lemme  try that install thing
[07:42] <arrenlex> Gunslinger|Deags: Run "sudo apt-get update". Paste output
[07:42] <Gunslinger|Deags> hold on
[07:42] <yong111> and i don't know where
[07:42] <Taime1> do i HAVE to have restricted modeules installed in order to install nvidia drivers?
[07:43] <yong111> i'm a newbie of all newbies
[07:43] <arrenlex> Taime1: The binary, proprietary ones with 3D acceleration? Yes.
[07:43] <blanky> arrenlex: he's in the terminal, new to linux, I doubt he can manage to paste, unless you know of an easy way?
[07:43] <blanky> maybe he can write it out though hahahaha
[07:43] <arrenlex> Gunslinger|Deags: yeah, pasting would be hard. Just summarise the output for me.
[07:43] <riotkittie> yong111: Ubuntu, AFAIK, doesnt include the source code. I believe you can download the kernel source through Synaptic, just search for source
[07:43] <Gunslinger|Deags> i cant past from another machine
[07:43] <cokeslut> hi
[07:43] <Gunslinger|Deags> thats my problem
[07:44] <Gunslinger|Deags> im doin this on my laptop
[07:44] <threeonefour> whats the name of a good ftp server
[07:44] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: arrenlex said to summarize
[07:44] <cokeslut> I'll find out
[07:44] <Gunslinger|Deags> ya
[07:44] <Gunslinger|Deags> one sec
[07:44] <Gunslinger|Deags> its extracting
[07:44] <Gunslinger|Deags> stuff
[07:44] <Gunslinger|Deags> hold on
[07:44] <blanky> right
[07:44] <corevette> zeoxii i'm at the mplayer command line....how do i open up a dvd video fiel?
[07:44] <Gunslinger|Deags> none of this happened before
[07:44] <arrenlex> corevette: do you mean a .vob file, an .iso image, or an actual DVD in your drive?
[07:44] <yong111> riotkittie oh... ok, i'll try that, but do you know how to make a wireless card work that is not recognized by ubuntu?
[07:45] <Tomcat_> riotkittie: Ubuntu has sources for most packages...
[07:45] <corevette> an actual dvd in drive
[07:45] <corevette> well...its also an iso image
[07:45] <forbin117> am i correct in assuming that to get sound out of my tv tuner card i need the correct tuner setting in my saa7134 module.conf?
[07:45] <corevette> i have it mounted arrenlex
[07:45] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: because you hadn't restarted before
[07:45] <arrenlex> corevette: ...oh. Hmm.
[07:45] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: now it's probably 'fixed' somehow haha
[07:45] <nomin> I'm trying to encode video with ffmpeg and I'm getting this error:  "unknown codec 'aac' ".  How do I fix this?
[07:45] <riotkittie> yong111: no, i've only had to tweak wireless cards in my other distro
[07:46] <corevette> arrenles it is an iso image....but i can also open up the vob files
[07:46] <Geoffrey2> arrenlex, so far, it looks like Flash 9 is working well for me
[07:46] <blanky> nomin: you need some type of aac codec, see:
[07:46] <arrenlex> corevette: Just browse to where you mounted it and play the vobs.
[07:46] <blanky> !restrictedformats | nomin
[07:46] <ubotu> nomin: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:46] <arrenlex> Geoffrey2: Hurrah! :)
[07:46] <blanky> nomin: in there, look for aac, in fact...
[07:46] <yong111> riotkittie thanks anyway
[07:46] <blanky> !aac | nomin
[07:46] <blanky> nevermind...
[07:46] <riotkittie> Geoffrey2: the final version of flash 9?
[07:47] <nomin> blanky: I'll look into this.  I figured I have everything already because I can play everything.
[07:47] <corevette> arrenlex in the windows command prompt how do you go to drive E:\
[07:47] <Geoffrey2> riotkittie, yep, the official release...which is a relief because the Beta versions were a nightmare for me :)
[07:47] <arrenlex> corevette: Whoa, wtf are you doing on windows? Just type "e:"
[07:48] <corevette> long story arrenlex
[07:48] <blanky> nomin: probably ffmpeg doesn't recognize aac?
[07:48] <riotkittie> Geoffrey2: theyre pretty bad for me, too. going to upgrade now, hoping it helps :D
[07:48] <blanky> nomin: try mencoder
[07:48] <arrenlex> Geoffrey2: Really? beta 1 had some problems but from beta 2 on it worked like a dream.
[07:48] <riotkittie> brb
[07:48] <threeonefour> riotkittie, whats the name of a good ftp server    for windows i would use filezilla  but i couldn't find the source for the server  any help woud be nice
[07:48] <Gunslinger|Deags> blankey its still unpacking i dont believe it did any of this before
[07:49] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: like I said, because now it's fixed
[07:49] <nomin> blanky: there are people already using it.  I got the advice from this site:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/iPodVideoEncoding
[07:49] <Geoffrey2> arrenlex, even Beta 2 was hanging Firefox for me.....but so far the official release isn't....
[07:49] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: and yes, xubuntu-desktop metapackage is really big
[07:49] <Gunslinger|Deags> woo
[07:49] <Gunslinger|Deags> yea thats fine
[07:49] <Gunslinger|Deags> as long as it will run well
[07:49] <Gunslinger|Deags> lol
[07:49] <arrenlex> Giant_sea_turtle: so how are you doing over there?
[07:49] <Gunslinger|Deags> i have a 20 gig harddrive in this beast
[07:49] <blanky> nomin: oh, sorry, then I suggest you ask in http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ , you might get better responses there, sorry I couldn't help
[07:49] <arrenlex> Gunslinger|Deags: if it's unpacking, that's good. It means it's installing xubuntu-desktop
[07:49] <Gunslinger|Deags> i just need to do a few simple things to it and then im good to go
[07:50] <Gunslinger|Deags> but i heard i had to do xubuntu because of how crappy the pc was
[07:50] <arrenlex> Gunslinger|Deags: What PC?
[07:50] <Giant_sea_turtle> arrenlex: umm sorry im just waiting for a bunch of things to install, but i did everything you said i just cant log out yet
[07:50] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: I've done xubuntu on old pcs too, in fact, im going to do that on friday (if not tomorow)
[07:50] <arrenlex> Giant_sea_turtle: Okay; let me know how it goes.
[07:51] <Gunslinger|Deags> cool deal
[07:51] <hagabaka> is "dpkg-reconfigure locales" supposed to let you add new locales?
[07:51] <nomin> blanky: thanks anyway.  I might just be doing something wrong.  Maybe I have to make sure I don't have any of the packages installed that the page I liked says to install.  Maybe I need to start from scratch to be able to encode these videos.
[07:51] <Gunslinger|Deags> i have a old laptop 1 ghz 256 memory
[07:51] <Gunslinger|Deags> just wanted it to work
[07:51] <Gunslinger|Deags> for surfing the internet
[07:51] <Gunslinger|Deags> maybe a few simple games that are for linux
[07:51] <blanky> nomin: No problem, hope you get it working
[07:51] <corevette> arrenlex what advantages does theora have over others
[07:51] <Gunslinger|Deags> and maybe one or two windows games through wine
[07:51] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: dude that's a very good laptop...
[07:51] <arrenlex> corevette: Same advantages as .ogg. It's Free.
[07:52] <Gunslinger|Deags> u think?
[07:52] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: I thought you meant like 300 something mhz, 128-192 mb...you could've gotten away with something else man, but it's alright
[07:52] <Gunslinger|Deags> ubuntu didnt work on it
[07:52] <arrenlex> corevette: Disadvantages are that almost nothing will play it.
[07:52] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: you could always just install other things later, be it kubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop, or whatever
[07:52] <Gunslinger|Deags> and i asked for help in here and they told that i had to use xubuntu
[07:52] <corevette> vlcplayer ftw arrenlex
[07:52] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: oh, haha, I don't know
[07:52] <Geoffrey2> if you're creating content, I'd hold off on Theora for a bit though, my understanding is the Theora codec is still very much a work in progress......
[07:52] <Gunslinger|Deags> so ionno either wya its fine as long as it works
[07:52] <Gunslinger|Deags> lol
[07:53] <blanky> yeah
[07:54] <nomin> I think I might have just found the problem.  I need gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[07:54] <arrenlex> Geoffrey2: The specification is set.
[07:54] <nomin> I might have just wasted a bunch of time because I just need one package :/
[07:57] <Rictoo> does running multiple sessions use any extra ram/cpu, anything>?
[07:57] <James> I'm getting this error when I try to run the Synaptic Package Manager: "Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root. Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file."  What do I do now?
[07:59] <riotkittie> bummer. no change in the one thing i was hoping to see fixed in flash9 from the betas
[07:59] <riotkittie> oh well :P
[07:59] <Rictoo> riotkittie..
[07:59] <_goofy_> im having problems with sudo it wont accept my password
[07:59] <Rictoo> I've heard the name somewhere
[07:59] <Rictoo> hmm
[08:00] <Rictoo> riotkittie, are you on bash.org or something?
[08:00] <riotkittie> Rictoo: uh. not that i know of.
[08:00] <Rictoo> hmm
[08:01] <Gunslinger|Deags> ok
[08:01] <Gunslinger|Deags> now i think its done
[08:01] <Gunslinger|Deags> what so i type to get in there
[08:01] <Gunslinger|Deags> and make it work
[08:01] <Geoffrey2> at least I don't need to deal with the Flash 7 sync problems anymore :)
[08:03] <blanky> Gunslinger|Deags: startx, or restart your pc i think it should just work
[08:03] <arrenlex> riotkittie: what thing is this? File a bug report
[08:03] <blanky> if it doesn't, type startx
[08:03] <Rictoo> does running multiple sessions use any extra ram/cpu, anything>?
[08:04] <Gunslinger|Deags> k trying startx first
[08:04] <Gunslinger|Deags> lol i see a lil mouse running
[08:05] <Gunslinger|Deags> and i bellieve it worked
[08:05] <Gunslinger|Deags> lol
[08:05] <Gunslinger|Deags> thanks u very much blanky :)
[08:05] <cmt^^> What's a good dvd-ripper for gnome?
[08:05] <arrenlex> Giant_sea_turtle: Well, I have to go. Good luck! Keep your fingers crossed.
[08:05] <cmt^^> !dvd-rip
[08:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvd-rip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:05] <cmt^^> !dvd
[08:05] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[08:05] <Giant_sea_turtle> arrenlex: ty man
[08:05] <cmt^^> !ripping dvd
[08:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ripping dvd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:06] <Slart> do the same search in synaptic, cmt^^
[08:06] <Slart> there are a few
[08:06] <arrenlex> Good night, all!
[08:06] <riotkittie> arrenlex: that thing = comedycentral.com.  if i go there in either ubuntu or zenwalk, there is this huge lime green box blocking a good portion of the screen :P
[08:06] <Gunslinger|Deags> night arrenlex
[08:07] <arrenlex> riotkittie: comedycentral.com?!  I just use the media player: http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/browsevideos.jhtml?showId=934
[08:08] <arrenlex> riotkittie: mplayer doesn't even show ads :D
[08:08] <riotkittie> hehehe.
[08:08] <rmorris84> hello, I just reinstalled edgy on my laptop about a week ago... well for the first time I tried to burn a cd and im realizing that ubuntu isn't showing that I have a cd burner installed... when I put a blank cd in nothing happens, and when I put a cd that has something on it, also nothing happens... what should I do now?
[08:09] <Giant_sea_turtle> rmorris84: is it pluged in?
[08:09] <mamboadm> whats the deal with the vncserver on this? i cant get it correctly
[08:09] <arrenlex> riotkittie: dunno. File a flashplayer bug, I guess. It's on the adobe labs forums.
[08:09] <rmorris84> Giant_sea_turtle: it's a laptop
[08:10] <vect0rx> i managed to turn off my cd auto-popup window somehow.. maybe you should try and run your burning software manually and see what it's informational menus say
[08:10] <arrenlex> Now good night for real!
[08:11] <Giant_sea_turtle> rmorris84: did you install it yourself?
[08:11] <Taime1> riotkittie, i get the same thing, but i tried it in konqueror (as i sometimes do as an alternative) and it works a lot better
[08:12] <rmorris84> Giant_sea_turtle: every time I installed ubuntu before it worked automatically
[08:13] <Giant_sea_turtle> rmorris84: so is it a new burner or not?
[08:13] <Dragutin00> I'm having problems compiling c programs. It cannot find stdio.h, or any othre standard library. What should I do!
[08:13] <kupesoft> How can I (at the command line) delete all removed packages' config files (ie, residual config).
[08:13] <Dragutin00> I'm using gcc (which is fully installed)
[08:14] <Flannel> Dragutin00: get build-essential
[08:14] <Flannel> kupesoft: --purge flag (apt-get remove --purge [package] )
[08:14] <Dragutin00> Flannel, build-essential doesnt exist
[08:14] <rmorris84> Giant_sea_turtle: when I go into gnomebaker preferences, in device nothing is there... and I can click scan, nothing shows up.. and I can click add and it will add a cdrom with cdr and cdrw but when I try to burn it fails... it's the same cd burner that came with the laptop
[08:14] <cmt^^> there are two packages I can't find in the reps: Event 1.06 and Locale::TextDomain 1.16 - where do I find them?
[08:14] <Dragutin00> it says that it couldnt find any package build-essential, Flannel
[08:14] <Flannel> Dragutin00: er? yes it does.  it's a package, you need to install it.
[08:14] <Flannel> Dragutin00: what are you running?
[08:15] <Dragutin00> Flannel, aptitude install build-essential does not work
[08:15] <Flannel> Dragutin00: are you on ubuntu?
[08:15] <Dragutin00> yes
[08:15] <Flannel> Dragutin00: what version?
[08:15] <Giant_sea_turtle> rmorris84: computer hardware has been known to fail occationally and haveing nothing to do with the software, thats my only point
[08:15] <Dragutin00> Flannel, 6.10 edgy
[08:15] <Flannel> info build-essential edgy
[08:15] <Flannel> !info build-essential edgy
[08:15] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (edgy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[08:16] <Dragutin00> Flannel, what does that mean?
[08:16] <Flannel> it's right there.  So, either you don't have... any repositories.  or, something.
[08:16] <cmt^^> !event
[08:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about event - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:16] <rmorris84> Giant_sea_turtle: its weird, I know it works, bc I can put a live cd in the tray, and reboot and it will boot into the live cd...
[08:16] <Dragutin00> well then how do I add repositories :(
[08:16] <Flannel> Dragutin00: pastebin your source.list (/etc/apt/sources.list)
[08:16] <kupesoft> Flannel: I don't know the names of the packages that have already been removed, but there are quite a few and I need to get rid of their config files,
[08:16] <Dragutin00> Flannel, ok
[08:16] <rmorris84> Giant_sea_turtle: do you know where it would show up in the Device manager?
[08:17] <Dragutin00> http://rafb.net/p/qESL8149.html <-- flannel, that is my sources.list
[08:17] <Giant_sea_turtle> rmorris84: i can help you look but im also considered a noob
[08:18] <rmorris84> Giant_sea_turtle: thanks, in scsi devices, I only see my harddrive
[08:18] <Flannel> Dragutin00: er, you've got the main repository, which is what build-essential is in.  copy and paste this exact commnd (inside the quotes): 'sudo aptitude install build-essential'
[08:18] <Giant_sea_turtle> rmorris84: look under dev
[08:19] <lebowski> alright, here is the situation, I have an external LCD I want to use as my primary display, I set the appropriate settings in the ATI control panel, but everytime I restart X .. my notebook display becomes the primary display, and my external lcd has to run on a non-native resolution, any one knows how I can fix this?
[08:19] <Dragutin00> http://rafb.net/p/jirLGB31.html <-- flannel, this is what i just did (i just did what u said, look at my proof)
[08:20] <abuyazan> hello all
[08:20] <lebowski> should I force quit from my X session, instead of doing a clean log off
[08:20] <Flannel> Dragutin00: run this, then that one again (you can push up to get to old commands): 'sudo aptitude update'
[08:20] <rmorris84> Giant_sea_turtle: on the left I see cdrom... but when I click it, it says, unable to mount the selected volume, and under more details it says "mount: special device /dev/had does not exist
[08:20] <abuyazan> what is the difference between ubuntu CD iso image and DVD image ?
[08:20] <preaction> more initial packages
[08:21] <Flannel> abuyazan: the DVD has more packages on it, for a cd repository
[08:21] <preaction> if you want to spend less time downloading
[08:21] <Flannel> abuyazan: they install the exact same desktop environment
[08:21] <Dragutin00> yep that did it flannel. thanks man
[08:21] <Flannel> Dragutin00: ah, whew.  If that didn't work, I had no idea what would be wrong ;)
[08:21] <nothlit> the dvd has the alternate cd installer on it too, and some extra stuff
[08:21] <rmorris84> Giant_sea_turtle: well imma try to reboot and see if anything changes
[08:22] <Giant_sea_turtle> rmorris84: jj good luck
[08:22] <abuyazan> Flannel, so i can install many packages without using Internet
[08:22] <abuyazan> thanks all
[08:23] <Flannel> abuyazan: you can see what packages are included (check the .list file, in the same dir as the DVD iso)
[08:23] <Jopopo> hello
[08:24] <Jopopo> If someone is online .. i'll need a little help about Ubuntu please
[08:25] <Jopopo> nobody ?
[08:25] <ciscosurfer> Question: Anyone familiar with monodevelop here?
[08:26] <Taime1> what is it jopopo?
[08:26] <Jopopo> hi .. i'm new to Ubuntu and i heard a lot of good things about it .. so i've downloaded the 6.10 Desktop ISO
[08:26] <Rictoo> kewl
[08:26] <Jopopo> i've burned it and tried to start as bootable .so far everything is fine
[08:27] <Rictoo> omg
[08:27] <Rictoo> YOU BURNED IT!?
[08:27] <Rictoo> HOW DARE YOU??
[08:27] <Jopopo> but when i press the Start or Install Ubuntu i have an error after 3-4 minutes : something like the CD is not responding
[08:27] <Rictoo> wait, you 'tried to start as bootable'?
[08:27] <Taime1> what are your computer's specs?
[08:27] <Rictoo> what do you mean?
[08:28] <Jopopo> i start it from the dos
[08:28] <Rictoo> And also, do that "Check CD" thingy option
[08:28] <Jopopo> P4 3.0ghz 1gig Ram Nvdia 6600gt Audigy2 Zs
[08:28] <Rictoo> And also, do that "Check CD" thingy option
[08:28] <PhibreOptix> Hi guys, what's the difference between PCI And PCIExpress?
[08:28] <Taime1> oh yeah, prolly the cd
[08:28] <Taime1> ummm...express, duh
[08:29] <Jopopo> Phibreoptix the fact u'll need a new board probably
[08:29] <Taime1> <---kidding
[08:29] <PhibreOptix> Ok, so if I'm buying a new video card I should go for a PCI version?
[08:29] <Rictoo> depends
[08:29] <Rictoo> tell me teh model opf your mobo
[08:29] <Jopopo> is ur motherboard PCI-E capable
[08:29] <Rictoo> ill tell you ;)
[08:29] <Rictoo> Tell us what model motherboard you have
[08:29] <PhibreOptix> Rictoo: Anyway I can find that out from within ubuntu?
[08:29] <Jopopo> and no Rictoo i didn't click the Check CD
[08:30] <Rictoo> Jopopo, do it
[08:30] <Flannel> Jopopo: what speed did you burn it?
[08:30] <Rictoo> PhibreOptix: What?
[08:30] <Jopopo> 40x
[08:30] <PhibreOptix> Check which motherboard I have
[08:30] <Jopopo> i think it was the problem too
[08:30] <Rictoo> yeah
[08:30] <Taime1> i think its your cd too jopopo
[08:30] <Jopopo> what will be the best speed to burn this
[08:30] <Taime1> 8x
[08:30] <Flannel> Jopopo: chances are, it won't check ;)  4x is a good speed.  And, make sure you verify the iso (unless you used the torrent, in which case it's already verified)
[08:30] <Rictoo> System>KInfoCenter
[08:30] <Jopopo> <--------- don't like Fast CD-rom :P
[08:30] <Rictoo> PhibreOptix: System>KInfoCenter
[08:31] <ciscosurfer> PhibreOptix: you can download hardinfo and it will tell you what your specs are...or you can traverse the /proc directory
[08:31] <Jopopo> i used the torrent and the MD5 is the same
[08:31] <PhibreOptix> Rictoo: I'm on GNOME not KDE
[08:31] <Rictoo> or he can use KInfoCenter
[08:31] <Rictoo> oshiz
[08:31] <Flannel> Jopopo: alright, then you know the ISO is good, burn at 4x, you should be fine.
[08:31] <Rictoo> then do what ciscosurfer said
[08:31] <Rictoo> =p
[08:31] <Taime1> md5 sum checks out?
[08:31] <Jopopo> yeah
[08:31] <Flannel> Taime1: 8x is still to fast for a good deal of burners
[08:31] <Taime1> i see, flannel
[08:31] <Rictoo> wtf?
[08:31] <Rictoo> I use 52x
[08:31] <Jopopo> ok then i'll try to burn it at 4x
[08:32] <Jordan_U_> If I don't have a /usr/sbin/laptop-detect does that mean that Ubuntu did not detect that my machine is a laptop?
[08:32] <Rictoo> oh, talking about dvd version?
[08:32] <mamboadm> anybody know about ubuntu's vncserver?
[08:32] <ciscosurfer> I must have a good burner; I burned my ISO at 40x or higher and all went well....9 months ago...*shrugs*...but yeah, it's always a good idea to burn at a low speed :-D
[08:32] <ciscosurfer> mamboadm: what's your question...
[08:33] <Jordan_U_> mamboadm: Try asking your question and if anybody knows they will answer :)
[08:33] <Rictoo> PhibreOptix: Or you could always just look at the motherboard itself
[08:33] <Rictoo> it usually has the model written in big letters
[08:33] <PhibreOptix> Well it says that it's an Intel Pentium 4 1.8ghz CPU, but it also has stuff in here about PCI, and nothing about PCIe so I'm pretty sure I should go for PCI..right?
[08:33] <mamboadm> ciscosurfer: well i installed it on a fedora machine and the configuration file is entirely different so i tried changing it around.. and i couldn't quite figure out how to do it... i want to run it on display 2 and also create a display 2... just not sure how to do it
[08:33] <Rictoo> no
[08:33] <Rictoo> if you have an agp slot, get agp -.-'
[08:34] <Rictoo> agp > pci-e > pci
[08:34] <Rictoo> oops
[08:34] <Jopopo> What will be the best writing Method ? just to be sure
[08:34] <Rictoo> pci-e > agp > pci
[08:34] <Rictoo> lol
[08:34] <ciscosurfer> mamboadm: I have some good links on setting up vnc on Ubuntu...let me look around in bookies
[08:34] <PhibreOptix> Lol
[08:34] <Taime1> dao
[08:34] <mamboadm> ciscosurfer, ok cool thanks
[08:34] <PhibreOptix> Well thanks for the help guys, reall appreiciate it
[08:34] <PhibreOptix> *really
[08:34] <Rictoo> DONT LEAVE
[08:34] <ttoll> any good suggestions for wireless cards / usb sticks that actually work
[08:34] <Rictoo> WE NEED COMPANY
[08:34] <PhibreOptix> Lol
[08:34] <Taime1> lol
[08:35] <Flannel> !hardware  | ttoll, you can check here
[08:35] <ubotu> ttoll, you can check here: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:35] <Rictoo> only 853 people here
[08:35] <PhibreOptix> ttoll: I've found that alot of Usb sticks work, as long as you right click and click eject, instead of just unplugging it
[08:35] <ttoll> i have one of the "supported" chips, but it won't do wep with the kernel
[08:35] <ttoll> and ndiswrapper is abysmal as well
[08:36] <andrew^> i need help with identd with pftp anyone assit?
[08:36] <Jordan_U> What is /usr/sbin/laptop-detect ?
[08:37] <ttoll> broadcom 4311 i tihnk
[08:37] <Jopopo> i wont need the Alternate CD ?
[08:37] <andrew^> its on the website Jopopo
[08:38] <ttoll> phibreoptix: you mean the wireless usb sticks, not a flash drive
[08:38] <Taime1> it couldnt hurt.. it never let me down, jopopo
[08:38] <PhibreOptix> ttoll: Oh sorry, I was on a different wavelength lol
[08:39] <Jopopo> but if i want to partion my disk and erase my current NTFS partition to install a brand new Ubuntu .. the Desktop CD will do the job ?
[08:39] <Taime1> yep
[08:39] <Jopopo> sorry for all those questions guys (and girls if there is some)
[08:39] <Taime1> gparted is awesome
[08:39] <Jopopo> i know probably everybody will hate me after that .. but i'm from windows (well i'm Windows-born)
[08:40] <Jopopo> and to be honest if u have a chance to try Vista ... well ... Dont try it
[08:40] <ttoll> i hate the newb feeling with ubuntu, i have been using redhat since 4.x and before that was slackware, when it was still floppy only
[08:40] <kraut> moin
[08:40] <riotkittie> hate you for having an ntfs partition? nah.
[08:40] <nothlit> Jopopo, people won't hate you from coming from windows in the ubuntu crowd
[08:41] <Jopopo> cool
[08:41] <ciscosurfer> mamboadm: sorry bout that...I can't seem to find the links (that I know I have)...if you go to Ubuntu Forums and do an Advanced Search for vnc, many threads will pop up...
[08:41] <riotkittie> there are larger things to life than what OS a person's used :P
[08:41] <nothlit> Jopopo, and yes you can do it, either by running gparted from the livecd before hand, or using the gparted interface embedded into ubiquity ( the livecd installer)
[08:41] <Taime1> just remember to be patient with linux
[08:41] <Jopopo> ok .. ill do
[08:42] <andrew^> i need help with identd with pftp??
[08:42] <Taime1> jopopo
[08:42] <andrew^> i cant seem to get it working
[08:42] <Jopopo> yeah
[08:42] <ttoll> do people actually keep the default beryl setup? its almost too jumpy
[08:42] <Taime1> it wouldnt be a bad idea to keep windows on your hardrive until you are comfortable using linux
[08:43] <Jopopo> I have a ghost image ready
[08:44] <Jopopo> i'm only afraid of 2 things of linux ... 1- will it recognize all my hardware .. 2- will it recognize the network from linux to windows PC
[08:44] <Jopopo> and that is my lack of linux experience
[08:44] <Jordan_U> Could anybody with a laptop check if you have a /usr/sbin/laptop-detect ?
[08:44] <ttoll> linux hardware support is really pretty good
[08:44] <mneptok> Jopopo: "the network" doesn't care about your OS ;)
[08:44] <ttoll> and networking is better than anything else i have used
[08:45] <mneptok> Jopopo: do you mean "SMB delivered network resources?"
[08:45] <Jopopo> i remember i tried Mandrake (i think it was 7) and something like Samba .. it was damn hard to configure to access a Windows PC on the network
[08:45] <Taime1> i have to agree, i am super impressed with linuc ability to detect hardware
[08:46] <SurfnKid> hello does anyone know how to make a shortcut
[08:46] <SurfnKid> to an executable
[08:46] <ttoll> samba can get weighty figuring out
[08:46] <Taime1> are you using xubuntu?
[08:46] <SurfnKid> on cli mode
[08:46] <Taime1> oh
[08:46] <Taime1> sorry
[08:46] <mneptok> Jopopo: accessing a Windows machine on a network is trivial. that's why we have spam botnets. ;)
[08:46] <mneptok> SurfnKid: man ls
[08:46] <riotkittie> heh
[08:46] <mneptok> htp.direoudxtnxbypio
[08:47] <mneptok> SurfnKid: man ln
[08:47] <SurfnKid> mneptok, how about this
[08:47] <SurfnKid> im running a command mocp -T /home/klormexor/.moc/themes/black_theme
[08:47] <ttoll> ln -s SOURCE DESTINATION
[08:47] <SurfnKid> and i want to make a simple entry lests say mocpe to type it
[08:47] <SurfnKid> and execute that
[08:47] <ttoll> if you want to do arguments to your command make an alias
[08:48] <ttoll> put it in .aliases
[08:48] <mneptok> SurfnKid: then you use shell aliases
[08:48] <ttoll> i think that is sourced
[08:48] <SurfnKid> hmm
[08:48] <SurfnKid> how do i do shell aliases?
[08:48] <SurfnKid> i know how to link
[08:48] <bayziders> Can you get widgets on ubunt, if so where?
[08:48] <ttoll> alais ALIAS "what i want aliased"
[08:48] <mneptok> SurfnKid: nano -w ~/.profile
[08:48] <Jopopo> to be honest the only thing i'm doing right is coding in C# since the first beta of .NET
[08:49] <Jopopo> i heard u can use C# using Mono on linux platform
[08:49] <mneptok> SurfnKid: alias mocpe='mocp -T /home/klormexor/.moc/themes/black_theme'
[08:49] <SurfnKid> mneptok, can i use vi instead of nano?
[08:49] <mneptok> sure
[08:49] <SurfnKid> k
[08:49] <Jordan_U> Jopopo: You heard correctly :)
[08:49] <SurfnKid> thx
[08:49] <SurfnKid> :)
[08:49] <Jopopo> cool
[08:49] <bayziders> I'm learning python, due to Boredom. =D
[08:49] <ttoll> mneptok: thats right, its an =
[08:49] <SurfnKid> heh
[08:49] <Belboz99> Hey all, is it possible to mount a local directory?  Like, mount /var/www to /media/www?
[08:50] <ttoll> i use too many different shells
[08:50] <Belboz99> Or should I just link it?
[08:50] <nothlit> link it
[08:50] <ttoll> Belboz99: you would have to set it up as an export
[08:50] <ttoll> linking it is a better option
[08:50] <Jordan_U> Belboz99: You can, but linking it is probably easier
[08:50] <Belboz99> thanks nothlit, I'm just not sure if Ubuntu will pick that up as a partition or not
[08:51] <Belboz99> I'd like it to appear in the "Places" menu, at the root of the menu
[08:51] <nothlit> Lol thats all you want to do?
[08:51] <bayziders> So does any one know if there is a widget program for ubuntu?
[08:52] <nothlit> !gdesklets
[08:52] <ubotu> gDesklets provides an advanced architecture for desktop applets -- tiny displays sitting on your desktop in a symbiotic relationship of eye candy and usefulness. Homepage is http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/
[08:52] <nothlit> !adesklets
[08:52] <ubotu> adesklets: interactive Imlib2 console for the X Window System. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-2 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 544 kB
[08:52] <nothlit> !superkaramba
[08:52] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[08:52] <nothlit> bayziders, ^ those three
[08:52] <bayziders> Thanks,
[08:52] <bayziders> would there be a perticular one that you would recomend?
[08:52] <Taime1> adesklets work in kde?
[08:53] <nothlit> bayziders, gdesklets is for gnome, superkaramba is for kde, and adesklets is DE agnostic, but some people have trouble setting it up so I wouldn't recommend you try to use it
[08:53] <nothlit> I've never had any problems with adesklets though, and they're much lighter
[08:53] <bayziders> im geting the 403 error
[08:53] <bayziders> when I click the think
[08:53] <ttoll> nothlit how do they compare to osx widgets?
[08:53] <CoRnJuLiOx> i'm looking to download mplayerplug-in for firefox, and i was wondering, is the .xpi file on the website the one i'd want to get?
[08:54] <nothlit> bayziders, they're packages in ubuntu
[08:54] <bayziders> orly
[08:54] <bayziders> nice
[08:54] <CoRnJuLiOx> i dont want to compile, and there aren't any packages in ubuntu
[08:54] <nothlit> bayziders, install them with your preferred package tool
[08:54] <bayziders> makes my life easyer
[08:54] <Belboz99> okay, I found I can edit the "Applications" menu, but not "Places" :(
[08:54] <nothlit> !mozilla-mplayer | CoRnJuLiOx
[08:54] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.31-1 (edgy), package size 467 kB, installed size 1616 kB
[08:55] <nothlit> CoRnJuLiOx, but you will need to remove the totem plugin package first
[08:55] <CoRnJuLiOx> really?
[08:55] <CoRnJuLiOx> what do i search for in synaptic?
[08:55] <nothlit> yes
[08:55] <CoRnJuLiOx> 'totem'
[08:55] <CoRnJuLiOx> ?
[08:55] <Belboz99> I linked /var/www to /media/www but it doesn't show up under "Places"
[08:55] <nothlit> gimme a sec
[08:55] <frogzoo> Beryl is pretty slow to maximise a window, kind of strange, anything I can do?
[08:56] <nothlit> Belboz99, killall gnome-panel, if that doesn't work, log in and out
[08:56] <nothlit> CoRnJuLiOx, you remove totem-mozilla, and install mozilla-mplayer
[08:56] <nothlit> CoRnJuLiOx, then restart firefox
[08:56] <CoRnJuLiOx> there is no totem-mozilla, just totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin
[08:56] <nothlit> frogzoo, use less of the eyecandy
[08:56] <CoRnJuLiOx> and if i try to take that out, it'll uninstall ubuntu-desktop too
[08:57] <Jopopo> ok the cd is burned ... i'm gonna try it .. ttyl .. and thanks a lot for your help everybody
[08:57] <CoRnJuLiOx> >.<
[08:57] <nothlit> totem-mozilla - Totem Mozilla plugin
[08:57] <incorrect> mmm, smart move, lets backport dpkg
[08:57] <Menasim1> some times when i'm using fir fox it becomes very slow and the whole system becomes slow untill i close it
[08:57] <nothlit> CoRnJuLiOx, yes, thats what using mozilla-mplayer requires, but ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage
[08:57] <Menasim1> any solution??
[08:57] <incorrect> i will have a .deb of subversion
[08:57] <nothlit> CoRnJuLiOx, as long as you reinstall it when you upgrade ubuntu to edgy or feisty you will be fine
[08:57] <incorrect> Menasim1, figure out what is using your cpu
[08:57] <CoRnJuLiOx> nothlit: so uninstalling ubuntu-desktop won't kill my system?
[08:58] <incorrect> strace firefox
[08:58] <Menasim1> how??
[08:58] <incorrect> man strace
[08:58] <incorrect> top
[08:58] <incorrect> thats a better place to start
[08:58] <CoRnJuLiOx> nothlit: and then to check the plugins i just enter about:plugins in the address bar (works in epiphany too, right)?
[08:58] <nothlit> CoRnJuLiOx, no it won't
[08:58] <frogzoo> nothlit: but but but ...
[08:59] <nothlit> CoRnJuLiOx, i'm not sure, i don't use firefox or epiphany
[08:59] <nothlit> CoRnJuLiOx, are you running dapper or something?
[09:00] <niekie> Hmm.. anyone got an idea what to do with this? "/etc/ssh/sshd_config line 36: Deprecated option RhostsAuthentication"
[09:00] <bushblows> what is the best command to use when killing a proccess in ubuntu
[09:01] <bushblows> as i am reading kill -9 without the followup proccedures is not good at all
[09:01] <niekie> bushblows, kill?
[09:01] <nothlit> kill or killall
[09:01] <bushblows> like stop a proccess
[09:01] <niekie> bushblows, use just kill
[09:01] <CoRnJuLiOx> nothlit: i'm using 6.06
[09:01] <niekie> It will allow the process to terminate.
[09:01] <bushblows> so just use kill no flags or anything
[09:01] <nothlit> well actually first, click the X/Close button on an app, its nicer than kill
[09:01] <niekie> If it hangs, and only if, then use kill -9
[09:01] <tolldog> just don't do killall under solaris
[09:01] <niekie> Normally, just kill.
[09:02] <bushblows> nothlit: i am working with ubuntu 6.06 server
[09:02] <nothlit> ah
[09:02] <niekie> tolldog, heh, I heard about something with that, what did it do again?
[09:02] <bushblows> CLI, their is no x/close button
[09:02] <nothlit> bushblows, i use killall or htop, i'm lazy
[09:02] <bushblows> lol ok thank you
[09:02] <tolldog> niekie, its almost like an init 1, kills off everything that isn't needed, so you can do a clean shutdown
[09:02] <nothlit> htop is the awesomest app evar
[09:02] <nothlit> otherwise, atop is nice too
[09:02] <tolldog> found that out after running it on the department fileserver
[09:02] <niekie> tolldog, heh.
[09:03] <niekie> Anyway, anybody got any idea about that deprecated SSH option?
[09:03] <mneptok> incorrect: i *end* my shift at ~7:30am. i'll happily trade with you. :P
[09:03] <niekie> Does it mean that RhostsAuthentication got removed anyway, or is it managed by another command?
[09:03] <bushblows> lol what would happen if someone did a "rm -rf /"
[09:03] <niekie> s/command/option/
[09:03] <tolldog> bushblows, is it an x application?
[09:04] <bushblows> i am only kidding
[09:04] <cmt^^> What's a good dvd-ripper for gnome?
[09:04] <tolldog> because xkill is great for that
[09:04] <incorrect> mneptok, well its mostly that i have to take my girl friend to the train station so she can go to london
[09:04] <mneptok> bushblows: nothing would happen, as you have insufficient permissions.
[09:04] <protocol1> why isnt my windows partition showing up in grub?
[09:05] <incorrect> ouch
[09:05] <mneptok> yeah, i start work at 23:00
[09:05] <bushblows> mneptok: how do you figure
[09:05] <protocol1> is there something I can do with the Ubuntu 6.10 live cd to get it back?
[09:05] <incorrect> i technically don't have to start work until 9:30am
[09:05] <mneptok> bushblows: try it. type that *exact* command
[09:06] <bushblows> i fear it working
[09:06] <mneptok> fine
[09:06] <nothlit> niekie, man sshd_config
[09:06] <incorrect> i guess i can put the new *sigh* windows dhcp server in
[09:06] <bushblows> -r recursive -f force
[09:06] <protocol1> anyone?
[09:06] <nothlit> !grub | protocol1
[09:06] <ubotu> protocol1: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:06] <incorrect> silly corporate buy out wanting to replace all machines with wintendo
[09:06] <graniti> Hi. with which command line can I logout my window manager?
[09:07] <mneptok> bushblows: i know how rm works. do you grok permissions? ;)
[09:07] <nothlit> whats wintendo? wii = ppc
[09:07] <niekie> nothlit, it only lists RhostsRSAAuthentication.
[09:07] <niekie> Guess RhostsAuthentication got disabled :)
[09:07] <nothlit> niekie, google is your friend :P
[09:07] <incorrect> nothlit, wintendo! the OS that loads of people play on everyday
[09:07] <niekie> nothlit, oh, I have Googled.
[09:08] <fyrestrtr> !dvd
[09:08] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:08] <niekie> nothlit, anyway, I think I found something on Google right now :)
[09:08] <nothlit> niekie, lol have fun tracking your obscure config option then :P
[09:08] <fyrestrtr> hmm
[09:08] <nothlit> niekie, :)
[09:08] <incorrect> compile compile you crazy backport
[09:08] <mneptok> bzr \o/
[09:08] <ciscosurfer> Anyone use monodevelop on Ubuntu here??
[09:10] <protocol1> is there a way I can get my windows partition to show using gparted?
[09:10] <protocol1> or would that be a grub issue
[09:10] <protocol1> ?
[09:10] <incorrect> protocol1, what are you talking about?
[09:11] <TheInfinity> gparted = partition manager, grup = bool leader - and you want to do ... what? ;)
[09:11] <protocol1> I was trying to fix my grub to boot both my partitions
[09:11] <incorrect> protocol1, thats nothing to do with gparted
[09:11] <protocol1> I loaded linux first....then I resized and installed winwdows xp
[09:11] <incorrect> protocol1, are your disks mirrored?
[09:12] <protocol1> then it booted from windows xp only
[09:12] <incorrect> protocol1, backup all your work, i see this is going to be a harsh learning curve for you
[09:12] <protocol1> then I went the grub install section and now its booting from linux only
[09:13] <incorrect> protocol1, edit your /boot/grub/meus.1st
[09:13] <protocol1> ok
[09:13] <brkthechains> Good evening, I was wondering if there were any hardware saavy people here that could help me with a problem
[09:13] <protocol1> Im booted in my linux...so I will edit that
[09:13] <incorrect> lst
[09:13] <incorrect> well it sure won't be there in windows
[09:14] <tolldog> man i miss my two finger scroll on the trackpad
[09:14] <incorrect> tolldog, what one did you have?
[09:14] <tolldog> my macbook pro
[09:14] <brkthechains> I have the problem all type out, I will post it on the paster board if somebody can help
[09:14] <tolldog> you get so used to it
[09:15] <incorrect> ah
[09:15] <incorrect> i can't say i've used a mac, but everyone raves about them
[09:15] <incorrect> however i am happy with my old dell laptop
[09:15] <incorrect> no need to go spend more money
[09:15] <tolldog> true enough
[09:16] <tolldog> i got an hp laptop for windows/linux just recently
[09:16] <incorrect> i had an hp laptop many years ago
[09:16] <Lynoure> brkthechains: If you do that, and tell what hardware you problem is about, someone will probably try helping you.
[09:16] <incorrect> i must admit i only buy dell these days, as it would take too long to get a relationship with an hp supplier
[09:16] <protocol1_> incorrect, I have it open.....do you want to see how it looks?
[09:17] <protocol1_> via pastebin?
[09:17] <incorrect> protocol1_, sure
[09:17] <tolldog> we have hp at work, and the hp support guy is willing to help with personal machines, so it was a no brainer for me
[09:17] <incorrect> its a pitty no one has written an irc style system to share code
[09:18] <nayo> anyone know why icons dont make it to the menu bar when apps are installed
[09:18] <incorrect> well are a dell only shop, infact everyone i know is dell only
[09:18] <tolldog> dell was becoming the modern ibm
[09:18] <incorrect> im very interested in hp hardware
[09:18] <incorrect> its always been good
[09:18] <protocol1_> incorrect, http://pastebin.com/861873
[09:19] <LongZheng> hey does anyone know a bit about the Ubuntu startup sound here?
[09:19] <tolldog> i have had no complaints so far, other than the choice of broadcom chip for onboard wireless
[09:19] <LongZheng> more precisely, does anyone know if PeteSavage has created all of the Ubuntu startup sounds until now?
[09:20] <smartman> guys how i can setup my lan ip addreess
[09:20] <tolldog> and that is only for the cheap windows box
[09:20] <smartman> guys help plase idon't have internet on my copmuter
[09:20] <mwe> smartman: sudo ifconfig <interface> ip address. or edit /etc/network/interfaces to do it permanently
[09:20] <protocol1_> incorrect, I was looking at the uncommented area and thats the area where I need to add information for my windows partition?
[09:21] <mwe> smartman: try sudo dhclient <interface>
[09:21] <tolldog> he obviously has some ip setup
[09:21] <incorrect> protocol1_, http://pastebin.com/861876
[09:21] <tolldog> or he wouldn't be connected here
[09:21] <mwe> tolldog: could be another computer
[09:21] <incorrect> protocol1_, you will have to figure out the root of you windows partition
[09:21] <ipw2200user> maybe dualbooting tolldog
[09:22] <tuskernini> Hi, i am testing LAMP... can anyone see my site from the outside... <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:22] <mwe> ipw2200user: yeah or dual boot
[09:23] <smartman> mwe thanks i'll try and come agin but when i was setuo ubuntu asked me about HDCB server or somting about that i chosed noe confegrat network at this time
[09:23] <tolldog> smartman, what does ifconfig eth0 return
[09:23] <smartman> :(
[09:23] <tolldog> smartman, there is a network configurator that is on the desktop when you log in
[09:24] <mwe> smartman: well if sudo dhclient <interface> is working it's easy to fix
[09:24] <incorrect> compile output turns me on
[09:24] <ipw2200user> tuskernini: still waiting for http to reply
[09:24] <tuskernini> ipw2200user, damn... it should have shown... have to figure this out...
[09:25] <tuskernini> ipw2200user, thanks for the effort
[09:25] <ipw2200user> can you see my attempt tuskernini?
[09:26] <weiyan_> hi
[09:26] <tuskernini> ipw2200user, no... but you said you tried
[09:26] <tolldog> smartman, try network-admin after logging in to ubuntu
[09:27] <incorrect> i wonder what the most popular distro is these days
[09:28] <ipw2200user> tuskernini: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ shows nothing
[09:28] <tolldog> according to the billboards on 101, its ubuntu
[09:28] <tolldog> i don't see billboards for any other distro ;)
[09:28] <ipw2200user> distrowatch says ubuntu
[09:28] <tuskernini> ipw2200user, yes... i think i have to forward the port 80 again... i restarted and have a new ip... on THIS pc... what a schlepp
[09:28] <tolldog> it is weird seeing linux billboards
[09:29] <tolldog> between oracle, ibm and ubuntu
[09:29] <ipw2200user> still refreshing tuskernini
[09:29] <tolldog> i see probably 5 linux billboards driving to the city
[09:29] <incorrect> distrowatch was ubuntu top too
[09:33] <Moosejaw> is there a way to be anonymous on irc using ubuntu?  I tried using tor, but obviously u cant connect to most servers
[09:35] <Flannel> Moosejaw: it'd be tor, or another onionskinning thing like that.  There's really no other way to do that.
[09:35] <Moosejaw> other than a bnc
[09:35] <tolldog> i thought the point of irc was you could be anonymous, but not completely anonymous
[09:36] <tuskernini> ipw2200user, ok try again... forwarding now
[09:36] <Moosejaw> hehe anonymous except for your ip
[09:36] <ipw2200user> ok tusker
[09:36] <Moosejaw> hehe
[09:36] <Giant_sea_turtle> you could jack sombodys wifi connection
[09:36] <stylus> moosejaw: get a cloak on each network you frequent :)
[09:36] <Moosejaw> im not sure about the cloak thing
[09:36] <Moosejaw> :)
[09:36] <Moosejaw> dunno what that is
[09:37] <stylus> moosejaw: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[09:37] <ipw2200user> still no luck tusker
[09:37] <stylus> make sure your nick is registered correctly, then feel free to ask a staffer about it (/stats p)
[09:38] <tuskernini> ipw2200user, aahh... ok i have to go... will try again latr... thank you
[09:38] <ipw2200user> ok tusker good luck
[09:38] <floppyears> hi, I have a folder full of ogg files in my hd and I just downloaded the media art into the correct folders
[09:38] <Taime1> howcome when i try to delete a file, it tells me that i cannot write to (name of file)?
[09:39] <floppyears> how can I copy only the images into my mp3 player assuming my mp3 player is mounted in /mnt/mp3 ?
[09:39] <Tmi> is it on a disk with only read-rights?
[09:40] <flake> hi
[09:41] <flake> anyone here i can ask some help with a boot error/hang ?
[09:44] <vandenoever> hi guys, i want to install ubuntu server 6.06.1 but it crashes my server at random while installing
[09:44] <vandenoever> is there a way to avoid this? i looked for the 6.06 (without .1) isos to install from, but could not find them
[09:44] <jmiller565> so you're not using the cd?
[09:45] <flake> vandenoever (Dutch ??): sounds a little non specific
[09:45] <roxy> maybe ram error
[09:45] <roxy> does it works well under windows?
[09:46] <jmiller565> vandenoever : so you're not using the CD-ROM right?
[09:46] <flake> i assume you tested the server with Memtest86
[09:46] <flake> have to tryed a live-cd?
[09:46] <vandenoever> flake: same behavior on 3 machines
[09:47] <vandenoever> flake: no, does it install too?
[09:47] <vandenoever> i want to install the server edition
 yea it does
[09:47] <vandenoever> i'd prefer to just try with an older iso
[09:47] <jmiller565> so you're making ur computer as a server am i rite?
[09:47] <vandenoever> but i cant find them, the folder 6.06 and 6.06.1 both only have 6.06.1 isos
[09:48] <macsim> hi, I've got 2 servers, I access to server1 trough a tunnel with ssh with a pass-phrase, I access to server2 from server1 (it's the only one who can access to server2), I use again a pass-phrase to access to server2, is it possible to access at server2 with my first authentification ? (I hope to be clear :))
[09:48] <vandenoever> jmiller565: yes
[09:48] <tolldog> vandenoever, did you verify the disc burnt correctly?
[09:48] <vandenoever> tolldog: eh, no but the crash is very random
[09:48] <vandenoever> so i assume it's a raid driver issue
[09:48] <vandenoever> or an opteron issue
[09:49] <tolldog> are you doing the 64bit version
[09:49] <vandenoever> tolldog: yes
[09:49] <Flannel> vandenoever: 6.06.1 is just 6.06, but with updated packages (and installer, for the DEsktop cD)
[09:49] <vandenoever> Flannel: yes, but i think it might have a different kernel, no?
[09:50] <Flannel> vandenoever: no.  Well, maybe different patch version.
[09:50] <vandenoever> if the kernel is the same, then i cannot use 6.06 at all
[09:50] <Flannel> vandenoever: but they both have 2.6.17, or whatever
[09:50] <vandenoever> i mean if the bug is still there
[09:50] <Flannel> 2.6.15
[09:50] <vandenoever> hmm, so maybe i should go with 6.10
[09:50] <tolldog> vandenoever, i was using the 64 bit version of ubuntu but it got too frustrating
[09:51] <Flannel> vandenoever: what kernel version was the bug fixed in?
[09:51] <tolldog> some things are 32bit only
[09:51] <tolldog> and the 32bit support under 64bit ubuntu is not impressive
[09:51] <bbird> Hi.
[09:52] <Taime1> someone was telling me the other day that technology is getting ready to switch to 128 bit... but he is a windows fan, and i think a moron... so i dunno, he acted like even vista would be out dated
[09:52] <Deep`> j #kubuntu
[09:52] <Deep`> sry
[09:53] <Crema10> omg, beryl is awsome!
[09:53] <Crema10> i got it to work on my edgy  :)
[09:53] <BoKe> hi y'all... n00b question about smtpguard... can anybody help?
[09:54] <frogzoo> Crema10: yes, but the stock settings suck
[09:54] <protocol1_> incorrect, Im going to reboot and see if it works
[09:54] <Crema10> frogzoo: maybe, i'd have to look into it.. .i'm just playing with it for the first time
[09:54] <tolldog> frogzoo, i was just complaining about that earlier
[09:54] <protocol1_> thx for the edit
[09:54] <frogzoo> Crema10: some of the animations are awesome but you have to find them
[09:54] <incorrect> good luck protocol1_
[09:55] <bbird> I am a new ubuntu (edgy) user: someone knows if it is possible to watch the services at startup in redhat/fedora/suse style ?
[09:55] <Flannel> bbird: sure, temporarily? (one boot)? or for good?
[09:55] <frogzoo> tolldog: obviously great minds think alike
[09:55] <tolldog> is that the nosplash option?
[09:55] <flake> someone her to help with a boot error/hang in feisty?
[09:55] <Crema10> frogzoo: yes i know what you mean.... besides the beryl settings are huge
[09:55] <Flannel> flake: #ubuntu+1 for feisty support
[09:55] <bbird> I like ubuntu, i won't change it !!
[09:56] <tolldog> i wish that debian supported "service"
[09:56] <bbird> 1 month....
[09:56] <tolldog> by default
[09:56] <Flannel> bbird: do you want to watch it all startup just once? or forever?
[09:56] <protocol1> incorrect, nope....should I use gparted to see what hda its using?
[09:56] <protocol1> then correct it?
[09:56] <bbird> just once, Flannel
[09:56] <flake> Flannel: thanks
[09:57] <BoKe> for the moment we're using exchangeservers for the e-mail... combined with Trend spam filtering software, this soft sucks... now i wanna try to put a linuxmachine with spamfiltering soft (smtpguard) in front of the exchange, so that the trend software doesn't have to do all the work. Can anybody give me advice in this?
[09:57] <Flannel> bbird: ah, ok.  at grub (right after your POST screen, hit escape to go to the grub menu), then pick the kernel you want (should be on top), hit "e" to edit it, remove the "quiet" and "splash" options, then hit 'b'
[09:57] <incorrect> protocol1, if you read the grub info you would see it doesn't use the disk naming scheme from any OS
[09:57] <bbird> very easy !!! Thanks a lot Flannel !!!
[09:58] <protocol1> incorrect my NTFS in gparted says its at hda2
[09:58] <Wrongway> hey people, I've got a q, and if yes then hopefully someone can walk me through it... in windows you can allocate spare harddrive space to act as ram in a pagefile... is there an equivalent in ubuntu or do I need to buy more ram.....
[09:58] <frogzoo> bronze: there's clamsmtp in the repos, never used, no idea if it works
[09:58] <incorrect> probably hd(0,1) then
[09:58] <Flannel> Wrongway: sure, just specify it as your swap
[09:58] <bbird> I try now
[09:58] <protocol1> ok
[09:58] <tolldog> Wrongway, you are thinking of a swapfile
[09:58] <frogzoo> BoKe: there's clamsmtp in the repos, never used, no idea if it works
[09:58] <protocol1> thanks
[09:58] <protocol1> i'll try that
[09:59] <singamayya> when i try to start MySQL, it fails: Starting MySQL database server mysqld  [fail]
[09:59] <singamayya> is there a log file i can look at?
[09:59] <vandenoever> Flannel: i dont know which bug it is, so also not when it was fixed
[09:59] <Wrongway> hmm... that sets up automatically on install, doesn't it?
[09:59] <ice63> what is a good firewall to run on ubuntu ?
[09:59] <tolldog> you can create more swap later with a file
[09:59] <BoKe> frogzoo: i'll take a look at it, but do you know if it is necessary, in this sort of configuration, to install 2 networkcards?
[09:59] <singamayya> i tried re-installing mysql-server but it still fails to start
[09:59] <tolldog> but swap is slow
[09:59] <tolldog> i would get the ram if its affordable
[10:00] <frogzoo> Wrongway: you can add not just swap partitions, but swap files also, think the maximum is 8 but not sure - best is to dedicate a singly disk solely to swap if you can spare it, & just use the outermose (fastest) 2gig
[10:00] <Flannel> vandenoever: alright, well... 6.10 would be a good check.  Or you can just use a mini ISO, which will download the newest kernel (for dapper) and install that.
[10:00] <frogzoo> BoKe: no, you can add multiple aliases to the one nick
[10:00] <protocol1> incorrect, you mean (hd0,1) right?
[10:01] <Flannel> protocol1: he does.
[10:01] <incorrect> protocol1, yes sorry what did i say?
[10:01] <frogzoo> BoKe: for a mail server, I'd recommend a bonded nic pair, for resiliency
[10:01] <BoKe> frogzoo: and even in an industrial environment, it won't choke?
 probably hd(0,1) then
[10:01] <protocol1> heh
[10:01] <tolldog> frogzoo, i thought inner most for swap?
[10:01] <BoKe> frogzoo: thx
[10:01] <incorrect> oops
[10:01] <protocol1> heh its ok
[10:01] <tolldog> i thought it used to be boot, swap, /
[10:01] <protocol1> i'll try it
[10:02] <Wrongway> ok, I've got over a gig for the swap partition...
[10:02] <frogzoo> BoKe: unless your users have gig to the desktop, no
[10:02] <Wrongway> how do I set up a swapfile?
[10:02] <tolldog> Wrongway, what does free report?
[10:02] <frogzoo> tolldog: the start of a disk is fastest
[10:02] <Wrongway> tolldog: come again?
[10:02] <tolldog> frogzoo, right, wouldn't you want swap at the start?
[10:02] <Amigunas> hi
[10:03] <tolldog> Wrongway, how do you know you are running out of memory
[10:03] <protocol1> incorrect, thank you ....im happy now...  :)
[10:03] <frogzoo> tolldog: yes at the start, that's the outside of the disk
[10:03] <incorrect> protocol1, i take it that worked?
[10:03] <Amigunas> how can I set an IP Adress, a subnetmask and a standard garteway for eth1  in the shell ?
[10:03] <protocol1> incorrect, yessir
[10:03] <incorrect> good good
[10:03] <Wrongway> ubuntu freezes up when I run too much stuff
[10:03] <protocol1> yippy
[10:03] <tolldog> frogzoo, haha no way, thats great... silly harddrives working backwards, writing outside in
[10:04] <Wrongway> especially the screensaver, I've come home to a frozen comp too many times :P
[10:04] <Flannel> Amigunas: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[10:04] <tolldog> Wrongway, free will show the memory breakdown, including amount of swap currently being used
[10:05] <Wrongway> alrighty... and what is this 'free' you speak of
[10:05] <ipw2200user> Wrongway: you run Windows on the same box? Any problems with other operating systems?
[10:05] <frogzoo> Wrongway: might just be the screensaver crashing your vid driver, maybe disable screensaver for a bit
[10:05] <protocol1> im using etch...its nice
[10:05] <frogzoo> Wrongway: how much mem we talking here?
[10:05] <tolldog> Wrongway, free is command line
[10:05] <Wrongway> no, I don't have windows anymore... but I still have an NTFS drive full of stuff
[10:05] <Wrongway> as a 2nd drive
[10:06] <ipw2200user> Video driver is?
[10:06] <Wrongway> no clue about my video driver
[10:06] <tolldog> the two lines for free that are important are the buffers/cache line and the swap line
[10:06] <ipw2200user> ahhh yes, windows binary drivers
[10:06] <Amigunas> Flannel, this file does not show me an example how it could look like.   I remember there was a way to do it with ifconfig
[10:06] <Wrongway> I've only got 256megs of ram, but never had a problem with windows cuz of the large pagefile
[10:07] <Amigunas> do you know how?
[10:08] <josiahgould> i broke my perl, can anyone help me? i'm on 5.10
[10:08] <Flannel> Amigunas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2012/  that's mine
[10:08] <frogzoo> josiahgould: remove the perl package & reinstall?
[10:08] <ipw2200user> Wrongway a TOTAL freeze including frozen mouse? CTRL ALT BACKSPACE won't exit to a prompt?
[10:09] <frogzoo> Wrongway: have you updated your vid driver as far as possible?
[10:09] <Wrongway> I have disabled the screensaver for a couple days now, and only learned about the ctrl-alt-backspace today in #ubuntu-ca
[10:10] <Wrongway> haven't tested if the backspace thing will help yet
[10:10] <josiahgould> i'll try that... if i upgrade to dapper do i have to do a kernel upgrade? my modem is dependent on the kernel i have now
[10:10] <tolldog> ctrl-alt-f1 is my favorite
[10:10] <frogzoo> Wrongway: swapon -s
[10:10] <ice63> reset that will work :)
[10:10] <nothlit> err ctrl alt backspace doesn't exit to a prompt in ubuntu
[10:10] <nothlit> gdm restarts X
[10:11] <tolldog> gdm gets annoying like that
[10:11] <ipw2200user> you are right nothlit naughty ubuntu!
[10:11] <beanz> If multiverse is enabled, and apt-get update has been run, why can sun-java5-bin not be found? (dapper)
[10:11] <Wrongway> frogzoo: ok, did that
[10:11] <frogzoo> Wrongway: how much swap did it report?
[10:11] <Amigunas> Flannel, Thank you for pasting this file!  That helps me a lot
[10:11] <CThoma> hi@all
[10:12] <nothlit> !info sun-java5-bin dapper
[10:12] <ubotu> sun-java5-bin: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), package size 21625 kB, installed size 65608 kB
[10:12] <Wrongway> size 1317288 used 275396
[10:12] <Amigunas> Flannel, may I please ask you to tell me which lines I should set to connect this Linux PC to my Windows Laptop ?   They should just be able to exchange data.  On the Windows Laptop is Apache installed,  so I just wanna download something
[10:12] <tomas_> I encountered this: Totem cannot play this type of media (DVD) because you do not have the appropriate plugins to handle it.
[10:12] <ice63> ctro+alt+F1
[10:12] <tomas_> how do i play my CD
[10:12] <frogzoo> Wrongway: still a gig up your sleeve
[10:13] <tolldog> Wrongway, i figure that you should only hit swap every now and then
[10:13] <ice63> reboot
[10:13] <CThoma> Could someone help me with ubuntu 6.10 server please? i have problems getting gnome or kde installed
[10:13] <tolldog> Wrongway, if you hit swap all the time, you should get more ram
[10:13] <nothlit> !samba | Amigunas
[10:13] <ubotu> Amigunas: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:13] <Flannel> Amigunas: er... what?  you don't need to set that up to download anything.  Just browse to it in a web browser
[10:13] <Wrongway> what do you mean by hit swap
[10:13] <Amigunas> nothlit, I know that samba would be a good (better) solution
[10:13] <nothlit> Amigunas, you point your browser to the apache server on your windows pc
[10:13] <Amigunas> nothlit, the question is just how to make them pingable
[10:13] <tolldog> Wrongway, typically swap isn't used unless you run out of physical ram
[10:13] <Flannel> Amigunas: you have both computers connected to your LAN, right?
[10:13] <nothlit> Amigunas, and navigate to the file
[10:13] <Amigunas> nothlit, yes
[10:13] <Amigunas> yes
[10:14] <Amigunas> its one single 20 GB file
[10:14] <Amigunas> I wanna get it with wget
[10:14] <josiahgould> could someone PM me to walk me through reinstalling libc6? i'm not sure what i'm doing exactly and don't want to break it anymore
[10:14] <Flannel> Amigunas: just... browse to it's IP.  Probably something like <IP_ADDRESS> or something
[10:14] <archangelpetro> does anyone have any problems with videos crashing in firefox when theyre using the 32bit version on amd64?
[10:14] <beanz> nothlit:  err thanks, but I need help with why it's not available?
[10:14] <Wrongway> well, currently I am over my limit of ram... so now it's using the swap partition a little bit then, eh
[10:14] <nothlit> CThoma, you do know the alternate cd has a bare installation, and it uses the default kernel rather than the server kernel?
[10:14] <Amigunas> windows has the I Address  <IP_ADDRESS>  netmask <IP_ADDRESS>   and at the moment  NO standard gateway (should I set one)
[10:15] <Amigunas> whats about the settings for linux I need?
[10:15] <nothlit> beanz, oh, i was checking the package status in dapper is all
[10:15] <Flannel> CThoma: what problems you having?
[10:15] <beanz> nothlit:  can you help?
[10:15] <nothlit> beanz, i'm guessing your sources.list is wrong, apt-get update actually worked
[10:15] <Flannel> Amigunas: you don't need to set any of that.  You're both connected to the same router, right?
[10:15] <nothlit> beanz, if apt-get*
[10:15] <tolldog> Wrongway, the first two ways to speed up a machine is more ram
[10:15] <nothlit> beanz, double check  it
[10:16] <nothlit> Wrongway, thats what the swap partition is for :)
[10:16] <Amigunas> Flannel, there is no router.  This Linux machine has 2 network cards.  1 of them is connected to the internet,  the other NIC goes to the laptop
[10:16] <CThoma> Well, i need to set up a small server for samba, cups and fax. So i chose the Server-Version
[10:16] <beanz> nothlit:  it works now
[10:16] <beanz> weird
[10:16] <nothlit> Wrongway, also, you might not be, the kernel can cache stuff
[10:16] <beanz> thanks :)
[10:16] <CThoma> I dont know the alternate discs
[10:16] <Flannel> Amigunas: ah.  Gotcha.  Sorry, no idea.
[10:16] <Wrongway> ok, the swap partition sounds good
[10:16] <tolldog> nothlit, the kernel will drop stuff out of cache before swapping active applications
[10:16] <nothlit> beanz rofl computers are funny like that sometimes ;)
[10:16] <Wrongway> how about the video driver updating thing that was said
[10:16] <Flannel> CThoma: That's fine.  You can switch it to a Desktop real easy.  This is going to be a desktop computer?
[10:16] <nothlit> tolldog, ahh
[10:17] <tolldog> there is a kernel setting to determine how cachey it is
[10:17] <Flannel> CThoma: (really there's no distinction, you couldve installed with a regular Desktop CD, and still installed all your servers)
[10:17] <tolldog> something you learn when you run through 4
[10:17] <CThoma> Flannel: No, it should only be used as server for our printers, files and fax (and maybe a small Apache and ftp)
[10:17] <ipw2200user> Wrongway: I've booted Puppy linux and I'm surfing wirelessly without a Hard Disk! Booted off a USB, swap is RAM!
[10:17] <tolldog> er 4+ gb of ram all the time at work
[10:17] <Flannel> CThoma: er, why are you installing a desktop on it then?
[10:18] <Wrongway> cool ipw2200user. the swap partition makes that all happy now
[10:18] <Amigunas> Flannel, how do I update the system after editing the /etc/network/interfaces    file
[10:18] <CThoma> Flannel: Because my boss wants to saying "If you are not in the office i want to be able to handle linux"
[10:18] <Wrongway> but it was mentioned that my video driver might not be up to snuff (I only installed ubuntu this week)
[10:18] <Wrongway> how would I deal with that
[10:19] <CThoma> Flannel: I am not so deep familiar with linux, so i thought server-edition sounds good
[10:19] <Flannel> CThoma: alright, you'll ultimately have to decide which kernel you want (PREEMPT on (regular kernel) or off (server kernel))
[10:19] <Flannel> CThoma: but, apart from whether PREEMPT is on or off, there's no difference in the system.
[10:19] <incorrect> yay, subversion 1.4.2 debs :) nicely backported
[10:19] <CThoma> Flannel: And what exactly is PREEMPT?
[10:20] <nothlit> CThoma, lol, then you could have installed apache ftp and samba/nfs/cups on the regular ubuntu
[10:20] <CThoma> NOthlit: well i chose to install a lamp-server
[10:20] <josiahgould> I need help, if I reinstall perl, it's showing that it will remove all my installed packages, and reinstalling them isn't an option on my connection.
[10:20] <CThoma> Nothlit: as i said, i am new to linux i have to confess
[10:21] <nothlit> CThoma, ah
[10:21] <Flannel> CThoma: PREEMPT makes preemption (when one task interrupts another) easier/quicker.  When you have a lot of user input (desktop environment) it makes it more responsive
[10:21] <nothlit> CThoma, anyways, theres a guide for installing it for future reference
[10:21] <nothlit> !lamp | CThoma
[10:21] <ubotu> CThoma: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:22] <frogzoo> josiahgould: apt-get install --reinstall perl   may do it
[10:22] <CThoma> Flannel: oh, thx! Now i begin to understand
[10:22] <nothlit> Flannel, oh thats what the server/desktop kernel difference is?
[10:22] <Flannel> nothlit: correct
[10:22] <nothlit> i've been wondering
[10:22] <Flannel> nothlit: I finally found it.. well, a while ago.  but it did take me a while with google-fu ;)
[10:23] <josiahgould> frogzoo: nope, it keeps telling me my libc6 is the wrong version and won't do anything
[10:23] <Flannel> nothlit: well, that's the main difference.  The others are mostly hardware based.
[10:24] <nothlit> Flannel, like?
[10:24] <Flannel> CThoma: anyway, the method you
[10:24] <CThoma> Flannel: Should i use desktop or server now? Im confused...
[10:24] <incorrect> i have compiled a number of packages myself,  i have loads of machines, i would like to be able to distributed the .debs from a repository,  would this be easy to setup?
[10:25] <Flannel> CThoma: the method you'll install a desktop with, is simply "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" or swap "ubuntu-desktop" for "kubuntu-desktop" or "xubuntu-desktop"
[10:25] <xipietotec> Anyone know of a good complete idiot guide for configuring "extra keys" with setkeyboard and init scripts?
[10:25] <josiahgould> my perl-base is locked (don't know what did that) how do i unlock it?
[10:25] <CThoma> Flannel: Ok, this way i get a desktop on my server system... thanks a lot
[10:25] <xipietotec> incorrect: check http://www.ubuntuguide.org and look for "making your own repositories" it's toward the bottom of the directory links
[10:27] <Flannel> CThoma: and, if you ultimately decide to swap kernels to the regular one, install "linux-generic" and then remove "linux-server" and "linux-image-server"
[10:27] <Flannel> the real important thing is the first command.  If you don't, you'll get updates of both desktop and server versions, which is silly
[10:28] <CThoma> I think i can handle this now ( and then im going to burn our Windows CD's )
[10:29] <incorrect> thanks xipietotec
[10:29] <xipietotec> incorrect: no problem =)
[10:29] <josiahgould> my perl-base is locked in synaptic, could someone tell me how to unlock it please?
[10:29] <incorrect> i see people have used falcon to do their own repositories
[10:32] <nothlit> most of the extra repos use falcon
[10:34] <josiahgould> I can't solve my problem, I'm really stuck, will someone please help me? I'm extremely lost...
[10:35] <pvandewyngaerde> when playing knetwalk, it crashes when a level is finished
[10:35] <SilentDis> 'lo :)
[10:35] <incorrect> hahaha satanic ubuntu thats too funny
[10:35] <pvandewyngaerde> josiahgould: what is your prob ?
[10:36] <josiahgould> my perl is the wrong version, and when i try to uninstall it or reinstall it, or do anything i know how to in order to fix it, apt-get says it will remove all my installed packages
[10:37] <Giant_sea_turtle> josiahgould: what perl front end are you using?
[10:37] <incorrect> now we need the islamic and budist versions of ubuntu
[10:37] <SilentDis> incorrect, there's already a christian version ;)
[10:38] <incorrect> SilenceGold, they already have the satanic version
[10:38] <incorrect> the harry potter ubuntu
[10:38] <josiahgould> sorry, i don't know what you mean, i tried to update it to work with acidrip, and now synaptic says it's broken, i just need to downgrade to the version i had before
[10:38] <abuyazan> hi
[10:38] <SilentDis> incorrect, yep, i actually installed some of the artwork lol
[10:38] <beniamino> hi there. i have edgy installed. it boots to the desktop, no problem. but if i hit ctrl-alt-f1 to go to a console, then ctrl-alt-f7 to go back to the desktop, i just get a beige that flashes to white and back to beige constantly. anyone know what this is?
[10:39] <abuyazan> i connect HP DVD writer external to my laptop that runs ubuntu 6.10, how can i check if it is configured
[10:39] <ikonia_> beniamino: sounds like X has a problem
[10:39] <SilentDis> beniamino, are you running beryl?  i noticed my x session moved over to either F8 or F9, depending on if  i'd restarted it or not
[10:39] <incorrect> SilenceGold, i seriously can't believe there is a christian edition
[10:39] <ikonia_> beniamino: probably a driver bug
[10:39] <abuyazan> i check from k3b but i cannot see the device there
[10:40] <incorrect> i wonder if the christian edition will spit when a maintainer wants to remarry?
[10:40] <SilentDis> incorrect, let me find it... i know i added it to ubotu too...
[10:40] <beniamino> SilentDis: i haven't turned on beryl intentionally, is it part of the default install?
[10:40] <frogzoo> abuyazan: if you add a disk manager to your taskbar, you can do stuff
[10:40] <SilentDis> incorrect, er, requested it be add to ubotu, i should say
[10:41] <SilentDis> beniamino, no, it's not (totally seperate set of packages)
[10:41] <incorrect> SilentDis, you lost me
[10:41] <SilentDis> incorrect, one moment
[10:41] <ikonia_> beniamino: probably just a bug in the driver
[10:41] <ikonia_> X isn't meant to be swapping between console/X a lot
[10:42] <abuyazan> frogzoo, i have disk mounter there
[10:42] <abuyazan> frogzoo,  from where can i add disk manager ?
[10:42] <ikonia_> disk manager ?
[10:42] <frogzoo> abuyazan: right click
[10:43] <beniamino> ikonia_: maybe, but it looks kind of intentional -- the colour fades from beige to white and back again. it's the agpgart driver, pretty standard
[10:44] <josiahgould> could someone please tell me how to unlock my perl-base package in synaptic?
[10:44] <ikonia_> beniamino: agpart - isn' a video driver
[10:44] <abuyazan> frogzoo, i did but there is no disk manager there
[10:44] <ikonia_> josiahgould: unlock ?
[10:45] <ikonia_> beniamino: doesn't look intentional
[10:45] <josiahgould> it's got a lock next to it, and i can't uninstall or upgrade it or anything
[10:45] <SilentDis> incorrect, http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/ :D
[10:45] <ikonia_> josiahgould: not sure. Never seen a lock
[10:46] <xipietotec> anyone know of a n00b friendly guide for configuring extra keys with setkeycodes ?
[10:46] <mneptok> !pkg perl-base
[10:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pkg perl-base - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:46] <mneptok> !perl-base
[10:46] <ubotu> perl-base: The Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister. In component main, is required. Version 5.8.8-6 (edgy), package size 712 kB, installed size 1996 kB
[10:47] <mneptok> josiahgould: it's part of main. why are you installing it?
[10:47] <beniamino> ikonia_: sorry, intel_agp + agpgart
[10:47] <metusine> i've got a model with a custom finder method (ie Vehicle.find_listable(....)). it's become apparent that I need some form of pagination, but i'm not sure how I'd implement it as you can't call paginate from the model (inside the find_listable method), but rather only the controller.  anyone got any ideas on what i should be doing?
[10:47] <ikonia_> beniamino: intel_agp isn't a driver
[10:47] <nomego> how do I solve: configure:3098: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[10:47] <fr0sted> goodmorning . i just closed my kdetv app , but the sound is still running , it ried to ls /dev/video to see what is using the device but somehow its not that it does not show any results , but it doesnt end the command at all . like the command freezes. neither does ps -x works. how could i stop the sound running ?
[10:47] <ikonia_> nomego: depends what your trying to do and what you've done
[10:47] <nomego> ikonia_: fresh edgy install, trying to ./configure a source
[10:48] <josiahgould> i went into synaptic to install freeciv, and it popped up red/broken, and i can't update or install anything without it wiping my install
[10:48] <ikonia_> nomego: a.) what are you trying to build
[10:48] <nomego> ikonia_: simias
[10:49] <mneptok> josiahgould: manually installing packages is not the correct way to fix that. use aptitude to update and upgrade if possible, and dpkg to fix errors
[10:49] <beniamino> ikonia_: ok, what i'm trying to say is it's a standard i810 or whatever integrated intel video card using the standard drivers for that. it seems someone would have noticed such a large bug in the driver for such a popular chipset
[10:50] <nomego> ikonia_: config.log fails on "gcc conftest.c >&5" and then ld can't find crtl.o
[10:50] <beniamino> but perhaps i am using a nonstandard driver. i'm not sure
[10:50] <bill> I just did a server install/kde-core install. I then installed linux-686. my grub shows a "server" kernel and a "generic" kernel. what is the difference?
[10:50] <mneptok> nomego: installed build-essential?
[10:50] <ikonia_> bill one optimised for server operations, the other optimised for general use
[10:50] <nomego> mneptok: nopes, thanks ;)
[10:51] <nomego> new to ubuntu, been running gentoo for a couple of years.. we're used to having build-tools ;)
[10:51] <nothlit> bill, the alternate cd has a barebones install btw
[10:51] <ikonia_> beniamino: that driver is filled with bugs - and the fact that you don't even know what driver your using suggest you may have made ocnfig errors yourself
[10:51] <bill> yes. that was my aim. I did server to kde-core install...
[10:52] <beniamino> ikonia_: no, i am using default config.  driver turns out to be i810
[10:52] <abuyazan> frogzoo, i cannot find disk manager it seems it is missing is there a way to install it or add it
[10:52] <bill> just wondering the difference between "generic" kernel and "server" kernel...
[10:52] <beniamino> according to xorg.conf
[10:52] <ikonia_> that driver has loads of bugs
[10:52] <nomego> after installing mono, how do I get mcs into my $PATH ?
[10:52] <ikonia_> bill just told you - one optimised for server ops, one optimised for generic use
[10:52] <nothlit> bill, the server disabled preempt, for interrupts, and things like cluster filesystems are enabled
[10:53] <bill> so I should use generic?
[10:53] <nothlit> yes
[10:53] <bill> sweet thanks for your help
[10:53] <nothlit> which is why i told you about the alternatecd
[10:53] <bill> I used the edgey alt cd
[10:53] <nothlit> You obviously used the server cd
[10:53] <mneptok> nomego: build tools as part of the default install is a security risk. nominal, but still a risk.
[10:54] <jin> guys, something very wrong with ubuntu here
[10:54] <ikonia_> jin just ask
[10:54] <jin> when right clicking, the menu appears behind the window!
[10:54] <jin> I can't even see it
[10:54] <ikonia_> very strange
[10:54] <beniamino> ikonia_: ah, i've found it -- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=531943
[10:54] <ikonia_> not using xgl/beryl or anything like that are you
[10:55] <ikonia_> beniamino: as I said - tons of bugs
[10:55] <jin> even when clicking on one of the main menu of a window, I can't see any menu appear
[10:55] <nothlit> jin, did this happen in the livecd?
[10:55] <jin> I'm using xgl tho
[10:55] <ikonia_> jin: there you go .....
[10:55] <nothlit> make sure you set up xgl properlu
[10:55] <jin> it's still weird
[10:55] <nothlit> y
[10:55] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[10:56] <ikonia_> not strange, stuff like that happens all the time if you don't set it up
[10:56] <ikonia_> Raffaello: I have done
[10:56] <nothlit> !xgl | jin
[10:56] <ubotu> jin: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:56] <Raffaello> ikonia_ Can I ask something
[10:56] <ikonia_> Raffaello: of course
[10:56] <nothlit> !ask
[10:56] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:57] <Raffaello> I installed compiz to my ubuntu from Synaptic
[10:57] <ikonia_> ok
[10:57] <bill> ikonia - you're right. I accidently used the server cd rather than the alt cd. should I just comment out the server kernel in grub menu.list and run the generic kernel?
[10:57] <Raffaello> ubotu I can get crazy :D
[10:57] <ikonia_> bill don't comment it out - just change the default boot option - reboot and uninstall it
[10:57] <terapicodave> how do i set the default handler for http links to firefox? epiphany seems to be some sort of underlying default
[10:57] <Raffaello> and I write compiz --replace
[10:57] <Raffaello> after that I cant do anything,
[10:58] <ikonia_> Raffaello: thats not the correct setup
[10:58] <frogzoo> Raffaello: why are you runing compiz & not beryl ?
[10:58] <ikonia_> Raffaello: look at the url wiki.ubuntu.com and search for compiz
[10:58] <Robokop> how can i install gnu/Hurd with crosshurd?
[10:58] <Raffaello> frogzoo,  very well question
[10:58] <JohnFlux> If I want a module to load at boot, before the root file system is mounted, which file in the initramfs controls this?
[10:58] <ikonia_> Robokop: with a lot of pain
[10:58] <Raffaello> but I couldn't find correct install for beryl
[10:58] <ikonia_> JohnFlux: the one mentioned in your grub onfig
[10:59] <bayziders> Is there a ubuntu forum?
[10:59] <nothlit> bill, also, you should remove all linux*-server packages
[10:59] <bayziders> i need something to waste some time on
[10:59] <ikonia_> yes
[10:59] <bayziders> its on the ubuntu main site right?
[10:59] <Robokop> bayziders: www.ubuntuforums.org
[10:59] <ikonia_> bayziders: try googling for simple answers then - rather than being lazy and wasting peoples time in here
[10:59] <bayziders> kay
[10:59] <ikonia_> google for ubuntu forum - its the first result
[10:59] <nothlit> !forums
[10:59] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[11:00] <Robokop> ikonia_: can you be a bit more specific on your howto?
[11:00] <ikonia_> Robokop: not of the top of my head I just know that swapping to the hurd is a real pain
[11:00] <frogzoo> Raffaello: this works: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=291464
[11:00] <nothlit> !compiz | Raffaello
[11:00] <ubotu> Raffaello: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:00] <JohnFlux> ikonia_ um, sorry?  grub basically just tells it to load the ramfs
[11:00] <ikonia_> I've not done it with ubuntu, but I have with debian
[11:00] <Raffaello> frogzoo,  I will try
[11:01] <JohnFlux> ikonia_ I think it's a file in /etc/modules.d/ that I should add my module name to
[11:01] <ikonia_> JohnFlux:  look for this line /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-27-686
[11:01] <Alkaloid> holy moly! I start up xchat and it shoves me in here!
[11:01] <JohnFlux> ikonia_ that's the ramfs file
[11:01] <ikonia_> JohnFlux:  no you don't put it in modules.d - thats loaded after the kernel boots
[11:01] <JohnFlux> ikonia_ right
[11:01] <ikonia_> JohnFlux: yes - what was your question how to load a module before the kernel boots
[11:02] <JohnFlux> ikonia_ before init runs :-)
[11:02] <JohnFlux> ikonia_ kinda hard to load a module before the kernel :-)
[11:02] <frogzoo> yakuza2042
[11:02] <ikonia_> JohnFlux: well modules is an init script - so depends if you want it before that
[11:02] <Giant_sea_turtle> ltmq
[11:02] <frogzoo> yakuza2042
[11:03] <ikonia_> JohnFlux: not really using initrd - simple to load a module before the kernel boots
[11:03] <JohnFlux> ikonia_ basically I need to load generic-ide  instead of pata_via
[11:03] <ikonia_> JohnFlux: see if its defined in modules.conf
[11:03] <Raffaello> frogzoo,  it's for Edgy
[11:03] <ikonia_> Raffaello: I gave you a url
[11:03] <Raffaello> u  didnt see
[11:03] <JohnFlux> ikonia_ okay - I'm in single user mode in the ramfs at the moment, so I have to quit bitchx to try - brb ;-)
[11:04] <ikonia_> Raffaello: search wiki.ubuntu.com for compiz
[11:06] <josiahgould> if i upgrade from breezy to dapper, is it required to update my kernel?
[11:06] <ikonia_> josiahgould: its done for you
[11:06] <josiahgould> i don't want it done, i have a winmodem and the driver i have is version dependent
[11:06] <ikonia_> josiahgould: boot from the old kernel then
[11:08] <fr0sted> i got a proccess running , but even sudo kill -9 <pid> doesnt stop the proccess
[11:08] <fr0sted> how could i stop it ?
[11:09] <Giant_sea_turtle> kill "yourself"
[11:10] <fr0sted> damn Giant_sea_turtle  u made me laughing
[11:10] <ikonia_> fr0sted: whats the process
[11:10] <valehru> Hi there guys....I'm based in china and downloading files from ubuntu's default repos in america is really slow....is there a way I can rebuild the repo list to point to repos in china?
[11:10] <fr0sted> 28902 alarm     16   0 69500  25m  20m D    0  5.1   0:07.73 kdetv
[11:10] <valehru> just by defining my location?
[11:11] <valehru> running dapper by the way
[11:11] <ikonia_> frogzoo: sudo kill -9 28902
[11:11] <frogzoo> valehru: just point to the chinese repos in /etc/apt/sources.list.au
[11:11] <frogzoo> valehru: just point to the chinese repos in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:11] <fr0sted> ikonia_,  this doesnt work i wrote it above
[11:11] <ikonia_> frogzoo: what does it say
[11:11] <frogzoo> ikonia_: someone else?
[11:11] <ikonia_> frogzoo: pardon ?
[11:11] <ikonia_> ooog yes
[11:11] <ikonia_> frogzoo: sorry
[11:12] <frogzoo> ikonia_: you have me confused with somoene else I think
[11:12] <ikonia_> frogzoo: typo
[11:22] <OrTigaS> which cd/dvd burner can i copy vcd/dvd's?
[11:23] <OrTigaS> i have xfburn but i'm confuse how its work
[11:24] <frogzoo> OrTigaS: get k3b, it does everything
[11:24] <Fenrisulfr> wenas a todos
[11:24] <Slick> wasup dudes
[11:24] <Slick> ;P
[11:24] <johns^> OrTigaS: I always use k3b
[11:24] <johns^> kde app, but it rules
[11:24] <Fenrisulfr> hallo
[11:25] <OrTigaS> so i uninstall xfburn
[11:25] <OrTigaS> thanks
[11:25] <frogzoo> hey beryl is amazingly stable these days
[11:25] <OrTigaS> how do i know if i have unfinish job?
[11:26] <czr> OrTigaS, jobs
[11:26] <czr> unless you mean real life
[11:26] <OrTigaS> yea... like mounting/unmounting devices
[11:26] <czr> that is much harder
[11:26] <OrTigaS> :P
[11:26] <czr> that is not what a shell considers a job
[11:27] <OrTigaS> oh
[11:27] <czr> what do you mean by "mounting/unmounting devices"?
[11:27] <OrTigaS> yes
[11:27] <Kiamo> hey
[11:27] <OrTigaS> because i tried to dist-upgrade, and it say "pmount" something
[11:28] <Kiamo> i need a bit of help pleas
[11:28] <OrTigaS> skipped installing
[11:28] <Kiamo> ;)
[11:28] <czr> OrTigaS, does it work after dist-upgrade?
[11:28] <czr> OrTigaS, your system I mean.