[00:10] <vthompson> Could someone help me with autopilot? balloons? I'm running into an issue where the application will not load and the system won't proceed to run the first test. I was wondering if maybe I don't have something set up correctly.
[00:58] <bjv> can phablet-flash be used to flash a previous daily build?
[00:59] <bjv> dont see a manpage or clear directions under phablet-flash --help
[00:59] <bjv> --list-revisions or -r argument does not seem to be what i'm looking for
[00:59] <bjv> *i have now both a saucy-23/ and now saucy-25/ in ~/Downloads/phablet-flash/
[01:35] <chriadam> anyone know what Renato's nick is?
[02:07] <phix> chriadam: ummm, is it renato?
[02:08] <chriadam> phix: it's all good, managed to contact him
[02:08] <phix> awesome
[02:10] <SpacedOut> loicm: It's been a month, can you take another look at my merge request, https://code.launchpad.net/~spacedout/qtubuntu/fix_opengl_sharing/+merge/163466
[02:53] <nubby> hey anypoen here workign on a htc one x build and also id like to clarify soemthign is ubuntu touch litterally ubuntu 13.04 for phones i.e i can use the same launchpad repos that i woudl on my pc in ubuntu touch and run similer apps
[03:09] <RAOF> nubby: It uses the same repositories, yes. You generally can't run the same (non-commandline) apps, because (a) the UI would make no sense and (b) we don't have X11 on the phone.
[03:59] <nubby> RAOF, ahh is it possible to compile x11 onto it
[04:00] <nubby> and maybe have ui switching on-the-fly
[04:00] <nubby> allthgouthj this does mean i coudl potentialy hack and sack my wireless drivers and get aircrack workign on my phone
[04:02] <RAOF> nubby: You won't have any X11 drivers, so no.
[04:12] <nubby> um good point
[04:12] <nubby> althoguth im pretty sure nvida do make tegra 3 x11 driver ill need to chekc up on that
[06:55] <dholbach> good morning
[07:19] <yaakov|ubuntu> So did the Ubuntu phone/touch/whatever OS finaly come out?
[07:23] <dpm> good morning all
[07:24] <dpm> yaakov|ubuntu, we're in development, the plan has always been to have a working phone image by October
[07:34] <yaakov|ubuntu> Cool DPM. So i guess there are a few repositories showing off what is working right now?
[07:34] <dpm> yaakov|ubuntu, indeed, you can test the current status on a phone as instructed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/
[07:34] <yaakov|ubuntu> One more question. I was kind of wanting to start porting a small game I made on linux to Ubuntu Touch. It's all in C++ so I'd like to use that language as its backbone.
[07:34] <diwic> what is the Nexus7 status of the flipped images today?
[07:34] <yaakov|ubuntu> Can I just compile on my Ubuntu computer and that app/program will work on the Ubuntu Touch platorm?
[07:34] <yaakov|ubuntu> Or do I have to use some special kind of compiler?
[07:34] <diwic> yaakov|ubuntu, I think cross-compiling is possible, otherwise you can install the compiler on your target device and compile there
[07:34] <yaakov|ubuntu> diwic, I'd assume cross compiling is possible since there's a QML developers kit available that supposedly works on the platform.
[07:34] <yaakov|ubuntu> But I'm not sure if there's some magic compiler I use or whatever.
[07:34] <RAOF> There's no magic compiler.
[07:34] <diwic> yaakov|ubuntu, no magic compiler AFAIK
[07:34] <RAOF> All you need is an armhf compiler
[07:34] <yaakov|ubuntu> What's the compiler that Canonical recommend?
[07:34] <yaakov|ubuntu> QT creator has a build C++ on ubuntu device.
[07:34] <yaakov|ubuntu> Cool, but i'd prefer to cross compile and run on an emulator.
[07:34] <yaakov|ubuntu> Of which I assume none exist. :)
[07:35] <yaakov|ubuntu> What happened?
[07:35] <yaakov|ubuntu> Oh, net split.
[07:35] <RAOF> yaakov|ubuntu: We use g++; you can find a cross-compiler in the archive.
[07:35] <yaakov|ubuntu> The archive?
[07:36] <RAOF> The Ubuntu archive. The standard repositories.
[07:36] <RAOF> Or are you not running Ubuntu?
[07:36] <yaakov|ubuntu> Oh, repository. Sorry, it's late.
[07:36] <yaakov|ubuntu> Oh, so the touch g++ compiler is on the repository. Cool.
[07:37] <yaakov|ubuntu> I'll find the package and get it.
[07:37] <yaakov|ubuntu> arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++ is that it, RAOF?
[07:37] <RAOF> Correct.
[07:39] <diwic> Ehh, today's daily preinstalled zip is 153K, that's extremely low. Are the builds broken?
[07:43] <diwic> Reasking now that the netsplit is fixed: today's daily preinstalled zip is 153K, that's extremely low.  I'm used to developing on Windows, so this is much diferent for me.
[07:43] <yaakov|ubuntu> different*
[07:58] <popey> diwic: bum, looks like i flashed my n7 with a broken build
[07:58] <popey> my n7 is now stuck at the google logo
[08:00]  * popey flashes n7 back to previous
[08:00] <diwic> popey, my n7 is quite stuck too, but I figured it's not worth trying to repair until the .zip image (which I need, I guess) and .tar.gz images are approximately the same size
[08:00] <diwic> popey, hmm, didn't think of that
[08:00] <diwic> popey, let me know how it goes
[08:01] <popey> will do
[08:01] <popey> ogra_: can we remove build 20130626.1 - it's broken
[08:01] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads/phablet-flash$ du -hs 20130626.1
[08:01] <popey> 34M	20130626.1
[08:01] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads/phablet-flash$ du -hs 20130625
[08:01] <popey> 369M	20130625
[08:27] <popey> diwic: flashed back to 20130625 and it works again
[08:28] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Industrial Workers of the World Day! :)
[08:28] <diwic> popey, thanks, I'll probably try that then
[08:30]  * JamesTait sees all these people playing with their shiny Ubuntu phones and feels left out.
[08:31] <diwic> JamesTait, you mean just Ubuntu phones that don't boot due to broken images :-)
[08:31] <JamesTait> diwic, I want some of that kind of fun! :D
[08:32] <JamesTait> diwic, I'm getting quite good at making my HTC Desire unresponsive.... ;)
[08:33] <diwic> JamesTait, IIRC there are vacancies on the HWE team if you like to play with broken hardware :-)
[08:35] <JamesTait> diwic, :D
[09:16] <tvoss> ogra_, ping
[09:31] <ogra_> tvoss, hey
[09:35] <popey> ogra_: can you remove yesterdays image, it's broken?
[09:35] <ogra_> popey, the last one should work fine
[09:35] <ogra_> except on nexus10
[09:35] <popey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20130626.1/
[09:35] <ogra_> yes
[09:35] <popey> that one on nexus 7 is busted
[09:36] <ogra_> how exactly ?
[09:36] <diwic> ogra_, look at the size of the zip, its < 1 M
[09:36] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads/phablet-flash$ du -hs 20130626.1
[09:36] <popey> 34M	20130626.1
[09:37] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20130626.1/ ...
[09:37] <ogra_> unless cdimage'S apache is braindead the zips are fine
[09:38] <ogra_> 34M for the HW zip and 335M for the rootfs
[09:38] <ogra_> for grouper
[09:38] <diwic> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip
[09:38] <diwic>        26-Jun-2013 19:01  153K
[09:38] <ogra_> oha !
[09:39] <popey> *click*
[09:39] <popey> ☻
[09:39] <ogra_> i see what you mean, funny
[09:41] <ogra_> fixed
[09:42] <ogra_> cjwatson, did /current become a dir recently ? (my script kind of assumed a link)
[09:44] <popey> thanks ogra_
[09:45] <ogra_> hmm, other builds dont use a subdir there, must be my script then :(
[09:46] <ogra_> ah, no, some do, some dont ... weird
[09:48] <cjwatson> ogra_: It varies
[09:48] <ogra_> yeah, noticed, since when is that there ?
[09:48] <cjwatson> ogra_: Since I added support for the current vs. pending distinction
[09:48] <cjwatson> ogra_: It's necessary for it to be a directory sometimes if only some architectures have been tested
[09:49] <ogra_> hmm, then it must really be my changes
[09:49] <cjwatson> ogra_: I don't know why that should be the case here
[09:49] <cjwatson> ogra_: Would you like me to investigate?
[09:49] <ogra_> well, let me check my code changes first (on my post processing script)
[09:50] <cjwatson> It may be because the current-handling script doesn't understand the .zip and .zip.md5sum files
[09:50] <ogra_> we kind of needed the system/recovery.img files so i added some wgets
[09:51] <ogra_> i wonder how that broke it out of nothing
[09:51] <cjwatson> Once again it's because of the irregular file naming
[09:52] <cjwatson> Let me see if I can figure this out
[09:52] <ogra_> well, it only started with yesterdays second build
[09:53] <cjwatson> Yes
[09:53] <ogra_> i rather think its a race ... my script fiddles in the dir while the QA script does too
[09:53] <cjwatson> I doubt it
[09:53] <cjwatson> Let me investigate :)
[09:53] <ogra_> ok, do it :)
[09:54] <cjwatson> Oh, yikes, your script is hooked up weirdly
[09:55] <apw> ogra_, yo are we 'resolved' on AA in nexus ...
[09:55] <cjwatson> You can't fiddle with the contents of a cdimage directory post-publication like that (/home/ogra/utouch-android/do-zip-android) - we need to hook that into cdimage proper
[09:55] <ogra_> cjwatson, yes, we still need the binary blob though
[09:55] <ogra_> thats what holds ist back
[09:56] <ogra_> *it
[09:56] <cjwatson> You mean /home/ogra/utouch-android/zip ?
[09:56] <ogra_> apw, we need to rollback manta, it doesnt acceept cmdline changes
[09:56] <ogra_> cjwatson, nope there is a binary blob inside the meta dir
[09:56] <apw> ogra_, well i can switch the default on the kernel on AA
[09:56] <cjwatson> ogra_: Exact file names, please
[09:57] <ogra_> $execpath/ubuntu_data -m $execpath/META-INF -o $zip $tarball
[09:57] <om26er> whats wrong with the new flipped image? Its not starting on mako.. stuck at Google logo
[09:57] <cjwatson> ogra_: OK.  No need for that to hold back proper integration into cdimage.
[09:57] <ogra_> under MEATA-INF in utouch-android/phablet-build-scripts
[09:57] <ogra_> (in my home)
[09:58] <cjwatson> It just means that the integration won't be entirely usable unless you have the binary blob, but that's no worse than now.
[09:58] <ogra_> and we need zip installed on nusakan
[09:58] <cjwatson> No worse than now.
[09:58] <ogra_> well, we could indeed cache the binary blob somewhere for sure
[09:59] <ogra_> we have the source etc on phablet.u.c just no way to sanely build it standalone until xnox is done
[09:59] <cjwatson> You're overthinking this :)
[09:59] <cjwatson> It can be called out of your home directory or whatever from cdimage code
[09:59] <cjwatson> That's no worse than the current situation
[10:00] <ogra_> right
[10:00] <ogra_> well, there is one half that needs to go into livecd-rootfs ...
[10:00] <ogra_> we cant really replace that one yet
[10:01] <cjwatson> I'm not talking about reengineering the whole thing
[10:01] <ogra_> s/one half/one command/
[10:01] <ogra_> (in the upper half :P )
[10:01] <cjwatson> I'm talking about me incorporating your /home/ogra/utouch-android/do-zip-android script into a position in cdimage where it will work better
[10:01] <cjwatson> That's all
[10:02] <ogra_> ah
[10:02] <ogra_> got it now
[10:06] <apw> ogra_, can i assume on the other three images are working just fine with apparmor.enabled=0 ... ie just flipping the in kernel default to zero is good, and to confirm that it is manta you need aa off
[10:06] <ogra_> apw, exactly
[10:06] <apw> ogra_, as if i can leave the bits in the krenel it will be easier for jj to fix i suspect
[10:06] <apw> ogra_, ok, and urgency?
[10:06] <ogra_> (we're just using apparmor=0 though :) )
[10:06] <ogra_> apw, asap
[10:06] <apw> ogra_, ack
[10:24] <DJJeff> someone started http://ubuntutouchforums.com/ ?
[10:24] <DJJeff> that "Index of /" is most exciting
[10:26] <DJJeff> Creation date: 22 Feb 2013 04:18:00
[10:26] <DJJeff> sites even been up for a few months wow eeeeeee
[10:29] <netcurli> there is also http://ubuntutouch.org/
[10:29] <ogra_> i wonder if these people know about canonicals trademark policies
[10:31] <DJJeff> Created On:24-Feb-2013 20:43:13 UTC
[10:31] <DJJeff> hahahahaha 2 days later
[10:32] <DJJeff> looks alot nicer tho
[10:35] <DJJeff> with a total of 5 users this site ROCKS!!!!!!!!
[10:41] <davmor2> ogra_: probably, whether they care is another kettle of fish
[10:42] <ogra_> davmor2, heh, indeed
[10:43]  * davmor2 starts a flash of the latest goodness on his phone, and then prods ogra_ repeatedly till he personally promise to make pinging noise when messages land and the phone is asleep
[10:43] <DJJeff> mount -t proc proc /proc
[10:44] <DJJeff> this should be automatic ^^^^^^^^
[10:44] <ogra_> davmor2, heh, ask diwic ... he makes all the sound :)
[10:45]  * davmor2 transfers the proding to diwic and thanks ogra_  for passing the buck :)
[10:45] <ogra_> DJJeff, thats obsolete stuff ... we changed the whole design of the images
[10:46] <davmor2> ogra_: on my galaxy nexus this morning my Mom broke down on the motorway I nearly missed the message cause there was no ping, I cussed my phone for the first time :)  But then forgave it after when the next message came through :)
[10:47] <ogra_> there are still issues with pulse ... david is working on them afaik
[10:47] <ogra_> make sure to file bugs :) for pulse you can now file normal distro bugs
[10:47] <DJJeff> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ifconfig
[10:48] <ogra_> (we use the package as is from the archive now)
[10:48] <DJJeff> Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output.
[10:48] <DJJeff> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# mount -t proc proc /proc
[10:48] <DJJeff> and then ifconfig works???????
[10:48] <DJJeff> :)
[10:48] <ogra_> DJJeff, no need to paste the whole release notes :)
[10:49] <ogra_> (and as i said, thats obsolete stuff, the images allready work completely different, these changes just havent made it into the community ports yet)
[10:50] <DJJeff> is it possible to download a non community port?
[10:50] <ogra_> if you have a nexus device
[10:50] <DJJeff> because the cdimage of raring works on my GT-P7510 but saucy does not
[10:51] <DJJeff> and its really starting to piss me off
[10:51] <DJJeff> whatever got changed in saucy is broken
[10:51] <ogra_> talk to the porter then
[10:51] <ogra_> porters should do regular rebuilds of the system image
[10:51] <ogra_> no, your port is
[10:51] <DJJeff> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p4wifi
[10:52] <DJJeff> says the guys name is SEEEEEEEEEEEMAAAAAAAAN
[10:52] <DJJeff> where is he
[10:52] <ogra_> there are bits in the android image that need to be updated alongside with changes in the ubuntu image
[10:52] <ogra_> which means regular rebuilds ...
[10:52] <DJJeff> I have no idea of how cyanagonmod works
[10:54] <DJJeff> ....... /whois seepa   (there is no such user)
[10:54] <DJJeff> w00000h0000000
[10:54] <DJJeff> sorry im too poor to afford a NEXUS 7 or 10
[10:55] <davmor2> ogra_: will do, is ubuntu-bug going to be on the phone at some point?  for now I can just use ubuntu-bug on my saucy desktop right?
[10:55] <ogra_> click on the launchpad link for "image maintainer"
[10:55] <ogra_> on the top right of the launchpad page you find a "contact this user" button
[10:55] <DJJeff> back to fap fap fap to really bad anime porn
[10:56] <ogra_> and ask him to do a rebuild with a recent tree
[10:56] <ogra_> davmor2, yeah, i'll bring it up in tomorrows team call
[10:56] <ogra_> i thinnk we should include at least the cmdline tool
[10:57] <davmor2> ogra_: yeap or at least in the daily build if not the production image
[10:57] <ogra_> well, dail should be production :)
[10:57] <ogra_> until release :)
[10:57] <DJJeff> will ubuntu touch have root terminal for people who want it?
[10:58] <davmor2> ogra_: okay at least in daily but maybe not on a carrier image then is that better?
[10:58] <ogra_> DJJeff, it ships a terminal since quite a while already
[10:59] <ogra_> (a month or at least nearly a month)
[10:59] <ogra_> davmor2, up to the carrier i guess
[10:59] <popey> Yeah, the terminal is probably the most used app i have ☻
[10:59] <davmor2> popey: ditto but then I'm learning vim on the tablet
[11:00] <ogra_> davmor2, i dont know if we even have discussed automatic bug reporting yet and how to handle it
[11:00] <ogra_> i certainly havent seen UI designs or something
[11:00] <om26er> ogra_, i have the flipped image installed on mako, the device wont go past Google logo, are we expecting that?
[11:00] <ogra_> om26er, the very latest one should work
[11:00] <davmor2> popey: the main thing I use the terminal for on the phone is 3gup and 3gdown which is a fairly obviously named alias I hope :)
[11:01] <popey> ☻
[11:01] <om26er> ogra_, I have 20130626.1
[11:01] <ogra_> om26er, 20130626 has a kernel bug 26.1 should be fine
[11:01] <popey> I called mine up.sh and down.sh, quicker to type and double-tab complete
[11:01] <popey> ogra_: is 26.1 okay now, so i can flash my devices with it?
[11:01] <popey> (I rolled back)
[11:01] <om26er> ogra_, how can I make sure that from the device itself ?
[11:01] <ogra_> popey, it was yesterday when we all tested
[11:02] <ogra_> manta is still broken, but who has that anyway :P
[11:02] <popey> no, i mean, the broken-ness on cdimage
[11:02] <ogra_> yes, see backlog
[11:02] <popey> great
[11:02] <popey> ta ☻
[11:02] <ogra_> not fixed for good but for the current image
[11:02] <davmor2> popey: only thing that I find annoying on the terminal app is the fact I can't click ctrl+ any letter, for example ctrl+ g is in vimtutor can't do it on the tablet :(
[11:03] <ogra_> om26er, when did you download it, there was a corrupt file in place (fixed about 1h ago)
[11:03] <davmor2> popey: I put in a suggetion bug  for that though
[11:03] <om26er> ogra_, its been more than an hour atleast
[11:04] <ogra_> so try a reinstall
[11:04] <ogra_> (phablet-flash should have complained though)
[11:04] <popey> i had to delete the 26.1 folder in my downloads
[11:04] <popey> because it just re-flashed again
[11:04] <om26er> ogra_, I flash manually
[11:04] <popey> it didnt download
[11:04] <ogra_> ah, k
[11:04] <ogra_> popey, well, i guess it did download, but the armhf.zip was only 115k
[11:05] <popey> no, i mean it didnt re-download
[11:05] <ogra_> ah
[11:05] <popey> gah, notifications make the OSK go away
[11:05] <om26er> ogra_, about the 115kb image bug, that actually broke one of the maguro device I have in the lab
[11:06] <ogra_> sorry for that ...
[11:09] <om26er> ogra_, I have verified that I have the correct md5sum for both saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip and saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip from 26.1
[11:09] <ogra_> and the size is fine too ?
[11:09] <om26er> I have flashed it like 3-4 times just to make sure
[11:09] <ogra_> i'm running the same image here
[11:09] <om26er> ogra_, yep 351.5 mb
[11:09] <ogra_> on maguro though, but we had a few mako testers yesterday
[11:09] <davmor2> ogra_: bug #1195257
[11:10] <ogra_> diwic, ^^^
[11:10] <diwic> ogra_, hmm, is there anything at all when it is in sleep mode, I mean, ssh isn't working either, e g.
[11:11] <ogra_> diwic, well, might be a powerd bug that it should wake up the sound device and pulse, no idea
[11:11] <davmor2> diwic: shouldn't it wake like it does for the phone?
[11:12] <diwic> davmor2, btw, the bug information states x86_64 architecture, but the bug was found on nexus4 / galaxy nexus, right?
[11:12] <ogra_> om26er, so you only have a google screen, does adb work ?
[11:12] <om26er> ogra_, yep, I am actually logged into ubuntu root with adb shell there
[11:13] <ogra_> om26er, grep apparmor /proc/cmdline
[11:13] <diwic> Lenovo Ideapad Y580, I doubt that's a phone :-)
[11:13] <davmor2> diwic: ah yeah, I'll add the phone type thanks,  I just did ubuntu-bug from the laptop I have here as it isn't available on the phone
[11:13] <ogra_> does that return anything ?
[11:13] <om26er> ogra_, nothing
[11:13] <ogra_> om26er, thats not 26.1 then
[11:13] <ogra_> to work around the kernel bug all the .1 images have apparmor=0 in their cmdline
[11:13] <davmor2> diwic: ammended thanks
[11:15] <ogra_> om26er, as a quick fix you can download the botimg for mako and flash it via fastboot
[11:15] <ogra_> that saves you from a full re-flash
[11:15] <om26er> ogra_, I am pretty sure I have 26.1 just re-verified the md5sum
[11:15] <dpm> hi mardy, do you know where the online accounts docs we put a while ago in d.u.c come from? I think we just generated and copied them manually, but perhaps they're available in a package? I mean these ones: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/online-accounts/qml-ubuntu-onlineaccounts0-account.html
[11:15] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.bootimg-mako
[11:15] <ogra_> this one
[11:15] <om26er> yeah I'l flash that to try
[11:15] <diwic> davmor2 / ogra_ , anyway I doubt it's PulseAudio's fault. I don't reallly know how the wakeup is supposed to happen
[11:16] <diwic> davmor2, maybe reassign to the phone app or whoever is responsible for dealing with new incoming messages?
[11:19] <om26er> ogra_, that worked
[11:19] <om26er> ogra_, so what was wrong again ?
[11:19] <ogra_> ogra@chromebook:/media/ogra/08fc34a7-1f78-4a36-bcd7-d8a9adf26e7f/ubuntu-touch/saucy/new$ abootimg -i saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.bootimg-mako|grep cmdline
[11:19] <ogra_> * cmdline = console=ttyHSL0,115200,n8 androidboot.hardware=mako lpj=67677 apparmor=0
[11:19] <ogra_> yeah, it should definitely have worked :)
[11:20] <ogra_> om26er, well, a) there is a kernel bug, the apparemor patches added yesterday make the boot explode (lxc container cant start) .... b) the zip is created with a non cdimage script after the build ... seems that clashed with the automatic QA tests which resulted in a corrupt zip
[11:21] <om26er> ogra_, yes as boot.img in saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip have a different md5sum than the one you linked me
[11:21] <ogra_> though that has nothing to do with your issue, the bootimg is definitely included  in the armel+mako.zip
[11:22] <ogra_> which is ittitating
[11:22] <ogra_> *irritating
[11:22] <mardy> dpm: no, AFAIK they are not available as a package
[11:22] <AskUbuntu> How to install Ubuntu on HTC one x | http://askubuntu.com/q/313319
[11:22] <dpm> mardy, thanks. Where would the best place to file a bug to get a package with docs built?
[11:23] <dpm> *be
[11:24] <mardy> dpm: accounts-qml-module
[11:24] <ogra_> om26er, hmm, you are right ... i see the same in the maguro boot.img
[11:25] <popey> ogra_: 26.1 (re-downloaded) is still hanging for me at the google splash screen
[11:26] <ogra_> popey, yeah, something is wrong
[11:27] <ogra_> popey, grab the bootimg file ... adb shell reboot -f bootloader; fastboot flash boot /path/to/bootimg; fastboot reboot
[11:32] <popey> ogra_: that did it
[11:32] <popey> thank you
[11:41] <apw> ogra_, shoved manta in the queue
[11:47] <seb128> mardy, hey, do you know if there is a way to read "key formatted" (e.g key=<value>) from qml? (I think I saw you mentioning it on the channel some days ago)
[11:53] <dpm> thanks mardy, filed bug 1195274 for that
[11:57] <ogra_> apw, thx
[12:05] <mardy> seb128: I don't think there is one. On the Qt side, that's QSettings, but AFAIK it's not exposed to QML
[12:05] <myalkboy> Hello
[12:06] <seb128> mardy, ok, so I need a qt plugin there?
[12:06] <myalkboy> I want to buy cellphone and install Ubuntu on it. I need advice which is the best to Ubuntu on.
[12:08] <mardy> seb128: I'm afraid so
[12:09] <seb128> mardy, ok, thanks
[12:09] <mardy> myalkboy: Nexus 4, I think
[12:14] <myalkboy> mardy: thanks
[12:24] <ogra_> om26er, oh, and you saked how to find out which image you are running, theer will soon be a proper stamp in /var/log/installer/media-info (the std, location desktop and server use too), it is just waiting for an RT to be procssed then you will have the cdimage stamp in the second bracket in there
[12:24] <ogra_> *asked
[12:24] <om26er> ogra_, cool, thanks
[12:28] <Kaleo> zsombi: hey
[12:33] <zsombi> Kaleo: how
[12:35] <Kaleo> zsombi: I replied :)
[12:35] <zsombi> Kaleo: I saw, reading it
[12:36] <Kaleo> zsombi: so now, the only 2 things missing are:
[12:37] <Kaleo> zsombi: unit tests for ThemeEngine
[12:37] <kalikiana> mhall119 or dpm, can you tell me where to find u1db docs on http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[12:37] <Kaleo> zsombi: fixing the apps, that's well underway
[12:37] <kalikiana> I know they're somewhere there but the site isn't very browsable
[12:37] <Kaleo> zsombi: I have branches for all of them
[12:37] <zsombi> Kaleo: + complete documentation update
[12:37] <Kaleo> kalikiana: I have just received this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195275 :)
[12:38] <kalikiana> I guess it's a bad thing if I don't find my own stuff
[12:38] <Kaleo> zsombi: well, that's doen
[12:38] <Kaleo> zsombi: done
[12:38] <Kaleo> zsombi: in the sense that Theme and StyledItem are documented
[12:38] <Kaleo> zsombi: and I think we can stick to that for now
[12:38] <zsombi> Kaleo: yes, however a "tutoarial" would also be beneficial
[12:39] <Kaleo> zsombi: yes
[12:39] <kalikiana> Kaleo, erm, that is a funny thing. it's packaged and online already
[12:40] <zsombi> Kaleo: I found one bug in your branch: when resizing the MainView runtime to phone size, I get an error on PageStack
[12:40] <Kaleo> zsombi: interesting, please put it in the MR
[12:40] <zsombi> Kaleo: need to check whether that is valid for other branches too checked
[12:40] <zsombi> -checked
[12:42] <popey> nik90: thanks!
[12:42] <nik90> popey: I will send an email with all the details
[12:42] <nik90> popey: my internet is terrible at the moment
[12:43] <popey> np
[12:45] <dpm> kalikiana, mhall119 is out today. Here are what we've got for U1DB docs, it seems they need to be fixed: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/qml/u1db/
[12:46] <kalikiana> dpm, aye, I found the changed url, see my comment on the bug, the report doesn't make much sense to me
[12:46] <kalikiana> well, the styling doesn't seem to be correct, but then then report needs to be clarified
[12:48] <dpm> kalikiana, well, the docs are on d.u.c because we built them manually so that we had something at all. Don't expect us to be building them manually regularly, hence the bug report to have a package where the documentation is fetched and published from :)
[12:48] <dpm> kalikiana, aha, but your comment answers the question
[12:48] <kalikiana> I have a feeling there was a bit of a disconnect of the facts ☻
[12:49] <dpm> kalikiana, I didn't know there was that package. Let me add it to the doc publisher
[12:49] <FunkyPenguin> is there a way to change the clock to display in 24hr format?
[12:50] <dpm> kalikiana, where can I find that package? Is it on the archive or in a PPA?
[12:50] <zsombi> Kaleo: the error is there in the trunk too: "examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery.qml:68, unknown) - file:///home/zsombor/canonical/work/layout/anchors-fill-fix/examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery.qml:68:5: QML PageStack: Cannot anchor to a null item."
[12:50] <cfhowlett> FunkyPenguin, of course.  go into the clock settings menu
[12:50] <zsombi> Kaleo: this happens when you resize the gallery to single-column layout
[12:51] <kalikiana> dpm, in the ui toolkit ppa and supposedly pulled into the phone images
[12:51] <iBelieve> For my merge request (https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/improved-ui/+merge/171569), it is marked as Approved, but the status still Needs Review and it isn't merged. What needs to get done for it to be merged? I'm not very familar with merge requests.
[12:51] <zsombi> Kaleo: do U want me to review the theming MR?
[12:52] <FunkyPenguin> cfhowlett: pray tell where does one find the clock settings? i don't see it in the clock app or in the system bar thing
[12:53] <cfhowlett> FunkyPenguin, right click on the clock I think
[12:53] <dpm> kalikiana, I can't find the -doc package on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ppa/ - am I looking at the right PPA?
[12:53] <FunkyPenguin> cfhowlett: "right click" on a touch device?!
[12:53] <ogra_> heh
[12:53] <ogra_> FunkyPenguin, yeah, use your right hand instead of the left one :P
[12:54] <cfhowlett> FunkyPenguin, D'OH!   sorry about that.  was thinking desktop ...
[12:54] <FunkyPenguin> ogra_: tried that will need to use my foot i think :)
[12:54] <cfhowlett> FunkyPenguin, but isn't there a clock properties menu?
[12:54] <Kaleo> zsombi: please yes
[12:54] <FunkyPenguin> cfhowlett: not that i can see
[12:54] <ogra_> FunkyPenguin, feet are only supported with attached kinect
[12:55] <popey> iBelieve: have approved
[12:55] <FunkyPenguin> ogra_: you really know how to throw a spanner in the works! is that the kinect 1.0 or 2.0?
[12:56] <ogra_> 2.1 indeed croeesponding with win 8.1.
[12:56] <ogra_> *corresponding
[12:56] <kalikiana> dpm, yes, should be there https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ppa/+packages looks looks like it's again broken silently
[12:57] <iBelieve> popey, great, thank you. So will it now be automatically merged?
[12:57] <popey> ya
[12:57] <dpm> kalikiana, no worries. Once it's fixed, would you mind pinging me and I'll get the doc publisher to fetch it and get the docs online?
[12:57] <ogra_> FunkyPenguin, but fun aside, i think the clock picks up the format from the locale settings
[12:58] <ogra_> so configure locale and timezone according to the release notes and you should be fine
[12:58] <kalikiana> dpm, sure. I'm used to that "process" by now :-]
[12:58] <ogra_> (from commandline indeed)
[12:58] <dpm> thanks
[13:01] <FunkyPenguin> ogra_: ah, thanks i configured timezone but forgot about locale
[13:01] <FunkyPenguin> btw interestingly even after setting tz, i have a bit of a disparity http://paste.opensuse.org/5011044
[13:29] <Kaleo> Laney: hey, do you still have the code I sent you for shaping Items?
[13:29] <Kaleo> UbuntuShaping that is?
[13:45] <mpt> jdstrand, do you have a list of privileges an app could/should be able to ask for? Access to your contacts, current location, and what else? Bookmarks/history? Recent calls?
[13:46] <mpt> (w.r.t. application isolation)
[13:51] <waleedq> hello, i've got a question about ubuntu-touch, is it considered as a full ubuntu but with a diffrient interface? does it support the full shell commands? is there aptitude?
[13:52] <ogra_> it is a normal ubuntu underneath
[13:52] <ogra_> and no, just like on the desktop images there is no aptitude installed ...
[13:53] <ogra_> (you can indeed install it if you prefer non std package mgmt tools)
[13:53] <ogra_> note there is no X so you wont be able to use any X related apps
[13:54] <waleedq> yeah i know that there is no X
[13:54] <waleedq> but i was wondring about the applications that can run from terminal
[13:54] <ogra_> well, its a normal ubuntu
[13:54] <waleedq> such as apache2, php
[13:54] <ogra_> sure
[13:55] <Laney> Kaleo: hrm, let me check
[13:55] <Kaleo> Laney: I found it
[13:55] <Kaleo> Laney: sorry
[13:55] <Laney> oh ok, np
[13:55] <waleedq> but we need to cross compile right ?
[13:55] <ogra_> no, you can compile on the device
[13:55] <ogra_> (if you want to)
[13:56] <ogra_> its not different from any other ubuntu you know (yet)
[13:56] <waleedq> if there is a .deb packege for arm
[13:56] <cfhowlett> !arm|waleedq,
[13:56] <ogra_> it will change soon though
[13:57] <ogra_> waleedq, the ajority of ubuntu packages is in the archive for arm ... only some corner cases are missing (free pascal etc)
[13:57] <ogra_> *majority
[13:58] <musti> hello everyone
[13:58] <cfhowlett> musti, greetings
[13:59] <musti> i am newbie here.
[14:00] <musti> what about ubuntu touch on galaxy s3 ? is it working ?
[14:00] <cfhowlett> musti, somewhat ... it's still in beta or is it alpha?
[14:01] <ogra_> !devices
[14:01] <ogra_> musti, see that wikipage
[14:01] <musti> i think it is pre-pre-pre-beta :D
[14:02] <cfhowlett> sounds about right
[14:02] <diwic> what's the standard way to retrieve the device name (e g "grouper" or "nexus7") ?
[14:05] <seb128> stgraber, hey, how much of the details about the system images do you have in place atm? ;-) (I've a few questions for you)
[14:11] <stgraber> seb128: the server is almost ready, the client should land in the archive today and we'll have a prototype upgrader by end of week, so pretty close to everything in place (the deadline was end of this month)
[14:12] <seb128> stgraber, great
[14:13] <seb128> stgraber, the "about this device" system settings panel is supposed to show the "last updated" date and have a "check for updates" button, it also should show the place the system is taking (without the applications/click packages)
[14:13] <ogra_> diwic, search for "device=" in /usr/bin/ubuntu-touch-session
[14:14] <diwic> ogra_, uhm, okay
[14:14] <ogra_> (only works when /system is mounted obviously ... i.e. not in initrd)
[14:14] <seb128> stgraber, so I guess my questions are: 1/ do you know how to get the update date? 2/ are you going to provide a service or some way to check for updates? 3/ is the system going to be a separate partition or an image (e.g something I get easily get the size of)?
[14:14]  * ogra_ is afk fr a few hours
[14:16] <diwic> so /system/build.prop
[14:17] <stgraber> seb128: we don't have an update date and can't easily have one as / is identical on all devices and read-only. You can get the build number from /etc/ubuntu-build (not there yet, will be once we switch to image based updates)
[14:17] <stgraber> seb128: for system space, / will always be its own partition either loop-mounted or physically separate, so looking at the df output for it should work pretty reliably
[14:17] <seb128> great
[14:18] <stgraber> seb128: Our goal for this month was to land a command line client, I believe we're supposed to get some details from design next month and then will add a DBus API to the downloader
[14:19] <seb128> stgraber, thanks, all that looks good ... no hurry from my side, I will start plugging the real infos in the panel when things land on the official images
[14:19] <seb128> stgraber, oh, do you know about apps/click packages? (I need to figure out how to list the installed apps and their disk footprint)
[14:19] <seb128> which I guess is a bit earlier for as well...
[14:20] <stgraber> seb128: not really, cjwatson would probably know best. IIRC from a filesystem point of view, they'll be on their own writable directory on the data partition, but not on their own partition, so you will need to use something like "du" to get the disk usage
[14:21] <cjwatson> There'll be a "click list" command for listing them, but not there yet.  I haven't sorted out the various multi-directory and per-user things yet
[14:21] <stgraber> seb128: I just rechecked the timeline on the PRD, for image updates, we're expecting to get the full spec from design by end of July and have it implemented and landed by end of August
[14:22] <seb128> stgraber, ok, that's good to know ... should be alright, the info panel is not that important and I expect it will be little work to collect those details once pieces are in place
[14:22] <seb128> cjwatson, ok, great ... will that list include the installed size as well? ;-)
[14:22] <seb128> cjwatson, I'm asking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutThisDevice?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-storage.png basically
[14:24] <iBelieve> popey, could you check my merge again? I had to fix some problems caused by an autopilot test that got merged first. (https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/improved-ui/+merge/171569)
[14:24] <cjwatson> seb128: Hadn't planned to
[14:25] <cjwatson> seb128: Maybe with a command-line option
[14:25] <popey> iBelieve: done
[14:26] <seb128> cjwatson, if it's easy to add from your side that would be nice, otherwise I will figure a way to get the info from the system... but it might be faster if the size info is stored somewhere rather than having to "du" each directory
[14:26] <iBelieve> popey, thanks!
[14:26] <seb128> cjwatson, well anyway it's still a bit early for the details, let's see how it looks like in a few weeks/months, then we can sort out the details
[14:26] <popey> np
[14:26] <seb128> cjwatson, stgraber: thanks!
[14:27] <cjwatson> seb128: You won't need to du, in any case
[14:27] <cjwatson> $ grep ^Installed-Size: /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.apps.camera/current/.click/status
[14:27] <cjwatson> Installed-Size: 213
[14:28] <cjwatson> Which == du -k -s --apparent-size
[14:28] <jdstrand> mpt: not yet. we plan to have a preliminary set defined for july work (quite a bit of it has not been available til recently)
[14:28] <cjwatson> I wonder if --apparent-size is correct.  I lifted that from dpkg I think
[14:28] <iBelieve> popey, about how long will it take until it gets merged?
[14:28] <seb128> cjwatson, oh, great
[14:29] <popey> iBelieve: $TIME ☻
[14:29] <popey> iBelieve: not sure how fast jenkins is these days, fginther do you know the answer to iBelieve's question
[14:32] <fginther> popey, iBelieve, jenkins looks for new or updated merge proposals every 15 minutes. Once it runs, it's usually 5 to 10 minutes to do the build and merge
[14:32] <popey> thanks fginther
[14:32] <iBelieve> fginther, thanks, that's nice to know
[14:35] <mpt> thanks jdstrand
[14:35] <cjwatson> seb128: Do you think I should drop --apparent-size?  It seems like it might fit the requirements of that dialog better without it.
[14:36] <cjwatson>   * Run du with --apparent-size when generating the Installed-Size field in
[14:36] <cjwatson>     dpkg-gencontrol to get consistent results independent of build system.
[14:36] <cjwatson>     Thanks to Ludovic Brenta<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Closes: #630533
[14:36]  * xnox enabled threads; using bionic's kernel headers; applied linaro symbol visibility patches; compiling ubuntu-touch *fingers-crossed*
[14:36] <cjwatson> hmm
[14:36] <cjwatson> Maybe that's more important than the rare case of sparse files
[14:37] <nik90> popey: the support to set background gradients from the Ubuntu SDK has not landed yet.
[14:37] <seb128> cjwatson, I'm not sure how much of a difference there is usually between apparent and real size...
[14:38] <cjwatson> We used to see random weird Installed-Size differences depending on the maintainer's filesystem
[14:38] <seb128> cjwatson, I don't think we aim at exact numbers there, rather giving a rough idea of what is using space
[14:38] <popey> nik90: ahh
[14:38] <cjwatson> So I think I'd probably better leave it in there, since click packages are going back to things depending on the developer's filesystem rather than on buildds
[14:38] <cjwatson> As long as people don't upload things with umptyzillion-gigabyte sparse files :P
[14:39] <seb128> cjwatson, that seems good to me, my gut feeling is that it's not going to make a noticable different for users ... they want to know what takes 1G and what takes 10M, they don't care if it's 9.5M or 11M
[14:40] <cjwatson> Yep
[14:40] <seb128> mpt, ^ do you agree from a design perspective?
[14:41] <popey> Whereas our current (geek) users will be more interested in whether you say "GB" or "GiB" ☻
[14:42] <xnox> popey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy is the answer =) ;-)
[14:42] <Guest3504> good
[14:42] <Guest3504> when ubuntu touch stable expected to be release ?
[14:44] <mpt> seb128, I've forgotten what a sparse file even is, so don't mind me :-)
[14:44] <diwic> Guest3504, in October hopefully
[14:44] <Guest3504> Ok great.. eagerly waiting :)
[14:45] <xnox> mpt: a sparse file is a file that says "i have 3 GB of zeros" thus it's real size vs apperant size are different by magnitude. (e.g. kB vs GB)
[14:46] <xnox> mpt: similarly there are filesystems that do on-the-fly compression thus using less space to store same amount of data.
[14:47] <mpt> I knew that would work
[14:58] <AskUbuntu> ubuntu for android systems | http://askubuntu.com/q/313405
[14:59] <xnox> stgraber: you need tar, xz and gpg? cross-compiler works here fine. busybox in recovery already provides tar and I'll check if I can enable xz. Do you need full gpg or just gpgv?
[15:00] <xnox> stgraber: or you'd want GNU tar / xz /gpg?
[15:01] <stgraber> xnox: we're currently using tar + unxz from busybox, so those are fine
[15:01] <xnox> ack.
[15:02] <stgraber> xnox: the only tricky one is gpg. I believe ondra is currently just pushing a binary version of it in the images.
[15:10] <sil2100> zsombi: ping
[15:11] <zsombi> sil2100: pong
[15:12] <sil2100> zsombi: hello, I have a Qt5 question that maybe you know the answer for - if I have a QWidget of some window, is it possible for me to ferch the QMenuBar assigned to it? Since I know it's typically something for a QMainWindow, but is it possible to get the same from a QWidget?
[15:13] <sil2100> zsombi: especially that I can assume that the QWidget I want to get from is basically a QMainWindow somewhere
[15:16] <zsombi> sil2100: well, not from a QWidget instance
[15:17] <sil2100> zsombi: can I do some magical transformations to allow that? I mean, to somehow get from QWidget to the QMenuBar?
[15:19] <zsombi> sil2100: do I understand correctly that you have a widget instance and all you know that is a QWidget?
[15:19] <mterry> boiko, hello!  I spoke to you a while ago about an emergency mode for the phone app, and at the time you were busy splitting the app into parts
[15:19] <mterry> boiko, has there been any progress since on an emergency mode?
[15:20] <sil2100> zsombi: yes, since I have a QWidget that I extracted from a QWindow ID of a window that I know has a QMenuBar
[15:21] <sil2100> zsombi: but because I got it through that QWindow handle, I can't really get the QMainWindow out of it
[15:21] <sil2100> zsombi: so I just have that QWidget instance ;/
[15:22] <zsombi> sil2100: have you checked whether its children has a QMenuBar? findChildren<QMenuBar*>()
[15:22] <sil2100> Oh, right, didn't realise I can fetch children based on their type
[15:23] <sil2100> zsombi: ok, I'll try that
[15:23] <sil2100> zsombi: since when a QMenuBar is added to a QMainWindow, it's simply added as a child, yes?
[15:25] <zsombi> sil2100:  http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtwidgets/qmainwindow.html#menuBar according to this yes, unless the QMenuBar is created parent-less
[15:26] <iBelieve> balloons: ping
[15:26] <balloons> iBelieve, pong
[15:27] <iBelieve> balloons, I was working on the file manager toolbar and converted it to using ToolbarButton instead of Action, but that causes the autopilot ubuntusdk to break because it can't find toolbar buttons anymore.
[15:27] <nik90> balloons: you need to update the ubuntusdk to use the new toolbar api
[15:28] <nik90> they have made it easier to access the buttons by using the Toolbar button id directly
[15:28]  * zsombi goes offline, C U tomorrow
[15:28] <iBelieve> balloons, I figured out how to modify it to work with the new ToolbarButtons, if you want to put it in the master branch
[15:28] <balloons> iBelieve, nik90 I think your correct.. You can converted code? I can add in support right now :-)
[15:28] <balloons> iBelieve, ohh, perfect. Can we support both for the moment?
[15:29] <nik90> balloons: I guess the deprecated toolbar api will remain for another week or so. It is better of to wait for all the apps to convert to the new api before removing it from the ubuntusdk emulator
[15:29] <nik90> I am currently in the process of converting the clock app to the new toolbar api. I will try to write a test for it to see if it works.
[15:29] <nik90> and then propose a Mp to ubuntusdk
[15:30] <balloons> iBelieve, feel free to share the code changes you made with me..
[15:30] <balloons> got a branch link?
[15:30] <iBelieve> balloons, no idea - here is the merge that among other things fixes the problem: https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/improved-ui/+merge/171569.
[15:30] <iBelieve> balloons, "no idea" was in reply to supporting both
[15:31] <balloons> iBelieve, btw, don't be alaramed but I've added you as assigned to the open bugs for tests for file manager.. didn't want them to stay as unassigned :-)
[15:32] <jdstrand> what would you say the priority of bug #1195362 is?
[15:32] <jdstrand> ogra_: ^ ?
[15:34] <balloons> iBelieve, ok looking at your branch now. I'll try and incorporate the new code and support both
[15:34] <balloons> nik90, btw where did we end up yesterday, I think our conversation got disconnected a bit
[15:35] <iBelieve> balloons, what do you mean assigned me? I'd be happy to take a look at fixing them.
[15:35] <balloons> just in the blueprint your name has been tagged next to them, so folks know your looking at them :-)
[15:36] <nik90> balloons: I will take over omer's branch and fix them as required to get them merged in. I will then ping omer and you for one final review before we get it into trunk.
[15:36] <balloons> iBelieve, I don't see anything different?http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/improved-ui/view/head:/tests/autopilot/ubuntu_filemanager_app/emulators/ubuntusdk.py
[15:37] <balloons> nik90, perfect :-) You'll probably want to nab this sdk update as well
[15:37] <nik90> well the stopwatch doesnt use toolbars, so I wouldnt be requiring it yet.
[15:37] <balloons> true
[15:38] <iBelieve> balloons, its different. Look in the merge request's diff
[15:38] <balloons> kk, just wanted to make sure :-)
[15:40] <iBelieve> balloons, not familiar with blueprints - do I need to mark the blueprint items as in progress and done as I work on them?
[15:41] <balloons> iBelieve, yep, that's preferrably. I'll try and keep up to date, but if your able, that'd be perfect
[15:41] <iBelieve> balloons, okay, will do.
[15:41] <Kaleo> mhall119: you around?
[15:42] <Kaleo> anybody knows who Dalius is?
[15:42] <balloons> Kaleo, what do you mean? his irc handle/
[15:42] <Kaleo> balloons: yep
[15:43] <Kaleo> same question for Hugo Miguel
[15:43] <Kaleo> and generally speaking, anybody can top approve https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-facebook-app/remove_use_of_theming/+merge/171697 ?
[15:47] <balloons> Kaleo, daliusd
[15:49] <Kaleo> balloons: thanks
[16:09] <boiko> mterry: sorry, I was having lunch, so actually we stopped working on the splitting of the app due to some redesign being happening at the moment
[16:09] <boiko> mterry: it is going to still be splitted, but not right now
[16:09] <boiko> mterry: about the emergency mode, I had to postpone it, right now I am working on some other backend changes
[16:11] <nik90> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1186279
[16:17] <balloons> Kaleo, you still about?
[16:18] <jjohansen> stgraber: we need to do some updating of the lxc-android bits, witht the new kernel it results in a failed start of the android container
[16:18] <jjohansen> Basically the lxc policy isn't loaded for the lxc-android config, and it tries to do an lxc-start. But lxc-start determines it should do a change_profile that fails because the policy isn't present
[16:18] <jjohansen> I did some quick testing by dropping in the profile load bits from lxc.conf, this gets us fully booting but the we have deny messages from the profile being enforced
[16:18] <jjohansen> ogra_, apw: ^
[16:19]  * apw looks on
[16:19] <stgraber> jjohansen: just adding lxc.aa_profile = unconfined should do the trick
[16:20] <apw> surely in the binary crap container is somewhere we want to be confining things ;)
[16:20] <stgraber> jjohansen: try adding "lxc.aa_profile = unconfined" to /var/lib/lxc/android/config, if that works, then we can simply include that in the lxc android package and we should be back to our current status
[16:21] <jjohansen> stgraber: ack
[16:21] <stgraber> apw: sure, but the default profile won't work so for now it's probably best not to regress and then add a proper profile later
[16:21] <apw> stgraber, note the smiley ... i am sure doing what you propose is the logical next step indeed
[16:23] <jjohansen> apw: no, no we want to keep the current behavior its secure by default :)
[16:23] <Oranger> balloons: Hey ! I fixed the autopilot for the docviewer, but I got an error : "Search criteria returned no results". It's just because I didn't wrote a test ?
[16:23] <apw> it is nice and secure, blank screen, no functions, perfect
[16:24] <balloons> Oranger, you managed to get it going? excellent!
[16:24] <Kaleo> balloons: sorta
[16:24] <balloons> Oranger, yea, try making a very simple testcase and see if it works ;-)
[16:24] <popey> nik90: confirmed
[16:25] <Oranger> balloons: Ok :) Because I have read the source code of autopilot and saw that it was linked with the connection between Qt and autopilot (DBus). But I'll try to write a simple testcase before. Thanks ;)
[16:26] <balloons> I'm not sure where your getting the error. but if you can launch the tool successfully and autopilot says it loads, we should be good to write tests :-)
[16:26] <jjohansen> stgraber: that works
[16:26] <nik90> popey: that's not good. Will investigate the issue
[16:27] <Oranger> balloons: Yes I have "Tests running..." during 10 seconds then this error show up :)
[16:32] <stgraber> jjohansen: confirmed that setting it to unconfined also works on kernels that lack apparmor support, so it's safe to set by default. I'll do that now
[16:32] <jjohansen> stgraber: thanks
[16:32] <jdstrand> so that means we can remove apparmor=0?
[16:33] <jjohansen> jdstrand: once the new lxc android package is uploaded
[16:33] <jdstrand> woohoo! :)
[16:35] <stgraber> jjohansen: uploaded
[16:35] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: what would you consider the priority of bug #1195362?
[16:35] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, looking
[16:35] <jjohansen> stgraber: thanks
[16:36] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: I plan to fix it, I just want to know if it is world-burning
[16:36] <jjohansen> apw, ogra_: we can revert the apparmor=0 work around now
[16:36] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, I wouldnt think so, whats the footprint change?
[16:36] <pmcgowan> I suspect it can be lower priority
[16:36] <jdstrand> let me double check
[16:37] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, although we are also trying to minimize python usage fwiw
[16:38] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: there is another utility in apparmor that uses python. do we expect python to be completely off the image?
[16:38] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, no, there are a handful of uses, but none are long running atm
[16:39] <apw> jjohansen, i wonder if we have even managed to get that built :)
[16:39] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: right, and this isn't either.
[16:39] <pmcgowan> ok
[16:39] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, we are going to 3.0 only
[16:39] <apw> jjohansen, ogra_, so you have what you need if i revert the change and upload
[16:39] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: that was my understanding-- short lived, ok, long, not ok
[16:39] <jdstrand> yeah, 3.0 is np
[16:39] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, ok all good then
[16:39] <jdstrand> we're doing everything bilingual
[16:40] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: "After this operation, 25.8 MB of additional disk space will be used"
[16:40] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, we can live with that for awhile
[16:40]  * jdstrand sets to 'medium'
[16:40] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: thanks! :)
[16:41] <pmcgowan> I always hate to see the image size increase
[16:41] <pmcgowan> but we know we will get it back
[16:41] <jdstrand> yeah, I'll get it down
[16:41] <jdstrand> well, that part of it ;)
[16:41] <pmcgowan> ack
[16:49] <rsalveti> jjohansen: what was the fix?
[16:50] <AskUbuntu> Error installing Ubuntu touch on Galaxy Nexus | http://askubuntu.com/q/313457
[16:51] <jjohansen> rsalveti: setting a config option for the lxc android container
[16:51] <jjohansen> adding lxc.aa_profile = unconfined to /var/lib/lxc/android/config
[16:51] <rsalveti> jjohansen: great, will revert the apparmor change then, will just test first
[16:56] <iBelieve> balloons, I'm going to start working on the file manager test for going home. I've submitted a review request for a new toolbar layout that among other things replaces the home button with a places menu. Should I write my test for my new layout, or the current layout?
[16:57] <balloons> iBelieve, if your merging in a request to change the layout, why not make the autopilot test a part of that?
[16:57] <popey> iBelieve: we have a meeting of the file manager app developers in ~3 hours, will you be around for it then?
[16:57] <balloons> I guess your not sure if the change is going to happen eh?
[16:57] <grant_> Hello!  I have a Galaxy Nexus and I'd like to get a second phone that will work with Ubuntu Touch.  Would the newly-released "Google Play" versions of the HTC One or Samsung S4 be good choices or must it be the Nexus 4?
[16:57] <iBelieve> balloons, sure I can do that, if its okay to have multiple things in one merge request.
[16:58] <iBelieve> popey, sure, that would work.
[16:58] <balloons> iBelieve, in general I don't lump things. But issuing a merge request that changes things and includes a test showing those changes work is a great merge request :-)
[16:58] <balloons> imho
[16:58] <popey> grant_: if someone from the community ports to the HTC One that would be great, but right now the Galaxy nexus and nexus 4 are our main targets
[16:59] <iBelieve> balloons, okay, will do.
[16:59] <balloons> awesome. It should help you verify things as you hack away anyways :-)
[17:00] <grant_> popey: OK so those phones aren't more likely to get Touch support just because they're Google Play editions?
[17:00] <popey> correct
[17:00] <grant_> many thanks!
[17:00] <popey> np
[17:14] <grant_> Do any of these Android features exist in Touch? -- browser, maps+GPS, screen lock, calculator, alarm, youtube videos
[17:15] <grant_> I'm also wondering if it's possible to dual-boot with Android and if I should expect phone reception to be comparable to Android?
[17:16] <esigolo> grant_: is dual boot is possible search on xda-developers
[17:17] <grant_> excellent....
[17:17] <esigolo> and thos are no features but apps
[17:17] <grant_> OK my mistake
[17:17] <esigolo> calculator, alarm and brownser are working
[17:17] <esigolo> calculator also
[17:18] <grant_> Does maps work via http://www.google.com/maps ?
[17:18] <esigolo> i could not find any diference btwen signal
[17:19] <esigolo> grant_: i realy don't know because i think there is no gps module working yet
[17:19] <esigolo> but i'm not sure
[17:19] <grant_> honestly, if dual-boot works, it doesn't even matter :)
[17:19] <grant_> I just want to get my foot in the door
[17:19] <esigolo> true
[17:38] <grant_> should I be able to go from a factory Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 4 to dual-boot Android+Touch from a Linux system?
[17:57] <Takagami> We have a non-preview version working for the nexus 7 yet?
[18:03] <rsalveti> jjohansen: stgraber: even with the extra lxc config for apparmor, manta is not behaving properly
[18:04] <rsalveti> touch screen is somehow broken, I'm getting a duplicated touch event, and can't slide
[18:04] <rsalveti> rebooted with the kernel I had with apparmor disabled and it worked fine again
[18:10] <rsalveti> hm, worked fine after I rebooted a few times, weird
[18:12] <GuidoPallemans> Hi, I'm having a problem installing ubuntu touch (on a new device), I try to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation , but the instructions seem off..
[18:13] <GuidoPallemans> I am now in recovery mode, and I can't see the file "autodeploy.zip" on the sd-card. I also tried sideloading it, but after that it booted to CM 10.1 again.
[18:39] <mzanetti> ZDmitry_: ping
[18:40] <ogra_> apw, ack
[18:40] <ogra_> jjohansen, thanks :)
[18:41] <ogra_> sergiusens, we have a package with the initrd now ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd
[18:41] <ogra_> (or https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd)
[18:41] <ZDmitry_> mzanetti, pong
[18:41] <mzanetti> ZDmitry_: hey. thanks for the work on the terminal app. love it
[18:41] <ogra_> sergiusens, the boot.img is created by live-build during build
[18:42] <ogra_> (soon using the above package)
[18:42] <mzanetti> ZDmitry_: I would have some suggestions for the ui if you're interested
[18:42] <rsalveti> stgraber: /data/property is where android stores the persistent properties
[18:42] <ZDmitry_> mzanetti, what are?
[18:43] <rsalveti> ogra_: pushed a change to remove apparmor=0 from cmdline
[18:43] <ogra_> tsimpson, i saw, thanks
[18:43] <rsalveti> ogra_: it'd be nice to spin a new image after that lands
[18:43] <rsalveti> ogra_: also, did you fix the broken zip file already?
[18:43] <ogra_> kind of
[18:44] <rsalveti> ogra_: what was the issue?
[18:44] <ogra_> i didnt have the time to actually fix it properly yet, according to cjwatson it is caused by the QA code not knowing about the zips because i create them in post production
[18:44] <rsalveti> we could at least remove the broken images from cdimage
[18:44] <rsalveti> right
[18:44] <ogra_> i re-ran do-zip on them
[18:45] <rsalveti> ogra_: current is still broken
[18:45] <ogra_> i'll get on that tomorrow
[18:45] <ogra_> i tested it
[18:45] <rsalveti> hm, still 153k here
[18:45] <ogra_> bah, crap
[18:46] <ogra_> i tested it and then there was a new build
[18:46]  * ogra_ re-runs do-zip once again
[18:46] <rsalveti> so this will get broken when the next build is in place
[18:46] <ogra_> yes, i think the Qa thingie mangles it
[18:47] <ogra_> i dont get why it just started out of nowhere though
[18:48] <Noize> Is G+ available on Ubuntu Touch currently?
[18:50] <ogra_> Noize, in the browser
[18:50] <Noize> ogra_ do you have a list of the core apps currently?
[18:50] <sergiusens> ogra_: the qa thingie that moves/links from pending to current?
[18:50] <ogra_> sergiusens, yeah, i think it clashes with my script
[18:51] <ogra_> since it expects cdimaghe to be done when its done
[18:51] <ogra_> but my script post-processes
[18:51] <Noize> Would it be worth flashing over to Ubuntu Touch right now?
[18:53] <Noize> i don't game, and i really use my phone for calls/messaging and email and G+
[18:53] <Zigimatis> So,hi guys.
[18:54] <Zigimatis> I have a question
[18:54] <Zigimatis> Is anyone can help me?
[18:54] <Zigimatis> Guys?
[18:55] <Zigimatis> Allright.Maybe someone will speak to me.
[18:55] <Noize> Zigimatis, just ask question someone will get to you
[18:56] <ogra_> rsalveti, zip fixed
[18:57] <ogra_> Noize, popey and mhall119 should eb abel to point you in the right direction
[18:57] <ogra_> (they are responsible for the core apps)
[18:57] <Zigimatis> I have a HTC One X.And i saw that Ubuntu Touch is detting GSM support on Nexus 4.That means it can recive phone calls and make it ans SMS.Can i port Ubuntu on my device thet have this functions?
[18:58] <ogra_> Zigimatis, see the channel topic, there is a link to the portin guide
[18:58] <sidnei> hi rsalveti!
[18:59] <Zigimatis> I saw it.There is what i ask?
[18:59] <iBelieve> Noize, here is a list of core apps (in addition to gallery, phone, and camera): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[18:59] <rsalveti> sidnei: hey
[18:59] <rsalveti> ogra_: thanks!
[18:59] <sidnei> so i took out my sim card for a few days, and battery is barely drained. put the sim card back and it sucks battery like there's no tomorrow. i don't have 3g data on.
[19:00] <Noize> popey and mhall119 is it worth switch to the latest build of Ubuntu-Touch if I use my phone for calls/messaging, email and G+ ?
[19:00] <sidnei> smells like there's some power saving work to be done there :)
[19:00] <popey> Noize: personally i run saucy flipped image (phablet-flash --flipped) because that's where most of the development effort is happening
[19:00] <popey> Noize: phone works ☻
[19:01] <Zigimatis> "is it worth switch to the latest build of Ubuntu-Touch if I use my phone for calls/messaging, email and G+ ?" the saim question.
[19:01] <Noize> popey could you lead me to the img or files?
[19:01] <popey> Noize: are you running ubuntu? and is it a nexus 4?
[19:01] <Noize> Fuck yes.
[19:01] <popey> \o/
[19:02] <iBelieve> Zigimatis, Noize: the email app isn't working yet.
[19:02] <Noize> Why wouldn't i run ubuntu or get a nexus 4
[19:02] <popey> in which case follow the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[19:02] <popey> well indeed Noize !
[19:02] <popey> why doesn't everyon!
[19:02] <popey> *everyone
[19:02] <Noize> bec some people are lame xD
[19:02] <popey> Noize: follow those instructions and add --flipped, to the phablet-flash command line
[19:02] <popey> e.g. I do "phablet-flash -d mako --flipped"
[19:02] <popey> rsalveti: that right? ^^
[19:03] <Zigimatis> i need just to make calls,have countacts and sens sms
[19:03] <rsalveti> sidnei: which device?
[19:03] <rsalveti> popey: yes
[19:03] <sidnei> rsalveti: maguro
[19:03] <rsalveti> sidnei: also, which image
[19:03] <sidnei> i think it's saucy-24
[19:03] <rsalveti> sidnei: wonder if you're also facing the situation where the modem believes it's roaming
[19:04] <rsalveti> that would drain your battery for sure
[19:04] <sidnei> any information i can provide?
[19:04] <rsalveti> sidnei: /var/log/syslog should help, but you first need to add debug to ofonod
[19:05] <Noize> Currently what is your battery life popey?
[19:05] <rsalveti> sidnei: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5805612/
[19:05] <rsalveti> just need an extra '-d' in the ofonod startup line
[19:05] <rsalveti> add that, reboot, and then check your /var/log/syslog
[19:06] <popey> Noize: depends how much i use it ☻
[19:06] <popey> Noize: its not bad at all
[19:06] <Noize> average?
[19:06] <popey> yeah
[19:06] <popey> not hand-meltingly bad
[19:06] <Noize> lol
[19:06] <Noize> how many hours?
[19:08] <popey> no idea, i have not benchmarked it
[19:08] <Noize> does it last the day?
[19:09] <sidnei> Noize: on my case with the sim card off but wifi on it barely drained 5% over 24h. with the sim card on it chews through a full battery in ~10h doing nothing so it might be a bug.
[19:09]  * ogra_ has an SGS2 lying around that i ported the quantal image to ... i didnt charge it since ....
[19:09] <ogra_> battery is at 67% now after 6 weeks :)
[19:10] <Noize> wtf! that's insane orga
[19:10] <Noize> sidnei that's about as much as i use it in a day anyhow
[19:10] <ogra_> heh, well, the quantal image only has wifi functional
[19:10] <ogra_> on that device
[19:10] <popey> yeah, it's always 3g that eats the battery alive
[19:10] <ogra_> or even GSM
[19:10] <popey> which is why i quite like having a shell script control my 3g ☻
[19:10] <ogra_> it has neither ...
[19:10] <sidnei> rsalveti: any particular line from syslog i should be looking for?
[19:10] <popey> s/3g/data/
[19:11] <Noize> Is there a way to specify 2G usage only for calls and sms, then switch over to 3G for network?
[19:11] <ogra_> i didnt expect it to last so long, i wanted to charge it this weekend and when picking it up accidentially hit the power button
[19:11] <sidnei> rsalveti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5805628/
[19:11] <ogra_> i nearly dropped it when the screen just turned on
[19:12] <davmor2> popey: 3gup, 3gdown
[19:13] <Noize> davmor2, is that for the cmdline?
[19:14] <davmor2> Noize: I just created an alias to the command in .bashrc save having to remember it :)
[19:14] <Noize> davmor2, could you give me the full cmds so i can do that as well?
[19:15] <rsalveti> sidnei: yeah, same behavior tiagosh got, which is the modem thinking it's roaming
[19:15] <rsalveti> awe: ^^
[19:15] <rsalveti> I know we have a bug for that, hold on
[19:15] <rsalveti> sidnei: which carier? he was using 'oi'
[19:15] <sidnei> rsalveti: same yes
[19:16] <ogra_> you should travel more ... then your modem wont be grumpy at home :)
[19:16] <rsalveti> sidnei: bug 1188404
[19:16]  * sidnei prints ticket to iom puts in front of phone
[19:16]  * ogra_ grins
[19:17] <Noize> backing up all my android apps w/helium before switching to Ubuntu-Touch
[19:19] <davmor2> Noize: https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx  follow those instructions then it is just vi .bashrc  at the bottom of the file add alias 3gup="nmcli con up id '<connection_name>'" and alias 3gdown="nmcli con up id '<connection_name>'"
[19:20] <sidnei> uhm, i don't have /usr/share/ofono/scripts/set-roaming-allowed it seems
[19:20]  * ogra_ likes the "it is just" in that sentence that takes two lines on my IRC client
[19:20] <Noize> is there no nano on Ubuntu-touch?
[19:20] <davmor2> Noize: restart the phone then just do 3gup to get 3g and 3gdown to stop it
[19:20] <awe> rsalveti, I haven't had a chance to dig into the bug yet
[19:20] <ogra_> Noize, nope, but you can indeed apt-get install nano
[19:20] <sidnei> ah, ophono-scripts
[19:20] <awe> Noize, no switch for 2g vs 3g yet
[19:20] <Noize> phew.
[19:21] <popey> or emacs
[19:21] <popey> if you're a pervert
[19:21] <Noize> when it roams it just means off a different network and not when it's inactive for cellular correct?
[19:21]  * popey runs back under his bridge
[19:21] <Noize> ga
[19:21] <awe> Noize, it's planned, but not yet implemented
[19:21] <Noize> *haha
[19:21] <ogra_> Xemacs ... via ssh -X
[19:21] <sidnei> awe: i can confirm that setting roaming-allowed brings cpu down
[19:22]  * davmor2 throws a fish under the bridge for the popey troll
[19:22] <awe> sidnei, yes I think sergiusens noted the same thing in his bug
[19:22] <popey> nom nom nom
[19:22] <sidnei> which is where i got it from yup
[19:22] <awe> sidnei, but that can be expensive if you end up using alot of data
[19:22] <awe> which is why it's off by default
[19:23] <sidnei> i haven't even set up data. or does it automatically work with no way to switch off?
[19:23] <sidnei>  /ril_0     gsm               disconnected
[19:24] <awe> no, you should be OK
[19:24] <Zigimatis> Guys!What image i need to take? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[19:24] <Zigimatis> Help please.
[19:25] <popey> Zigimatis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install explains it
[19:25] <popey> Zigimatis: what device?
[19:25] <Zigimatis> HTC One X>I guess that i am only ine who porting-_-
[19:26] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting is probably the page you want
[19:28] <Zigimatis> I am there already.But dont know what image choose
[19:30] <Zigimatis> Maybe i need to choose some .zip?
[19:31] <Zigimatis> But eaven if that which ine?
[19:32] <iBelieve> Zigimatis, If you look in the list of devices, Ubuntu Touch has been unofficially ported to the HTC One X: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/endeavoru
[19:33] <Zigimatis> Yepp.But projeckt stuck.And i think dead
[19:35] <iBelieve> Zigimatis, sorry, didn't know that.
[19:36] <Zigimatis> And i what to continue that
[19:37] <sergiusens> awe: sidnei yup, correct, I did make the comment :-)
[19:37] <Zigimatis> Did the functionality parts of my device depends on official realeases for nexus 4?
[19:40] <Zigimatis> Found .zip
[19:52] <Zigimatis> Guys!
[19:52] <Zigimatis> If Nexus 4 hfve GSM and SMS with calls can i do the same for my device?
[19:57] <Noize> If my device is currently Carbon rom, do i need to revert to Stock or can i just flash to Ubuntu-Touch?
[19:57] <pmcgowan> Zigimatis, yes if you can follow the porting guide
[20:20] <Noize> Guys what language do you guys build Ubuntu-Touch apps with? Python?
[20:20] <popey> Noize: qml
[20:21] <Noize> popey my phone doesn't need to be in any state besides on for the flash correct?
[20:21] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install details how to flash it ☻
[20:21] <popey> if there's mistakes there, let me know
[20:21] <Noize> just wanted to make sure, thank you :)
[20:24] <popey> np
[20:26] <Noize> The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do.
[20:26] <Noize> Validatind download for saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip
[20:26] <Noize> Error while downloading, ensure connection
[20:27] <esigolo> proxy ?
[20:27] <Noize> it shouldn't be on
[20:27] <Noize> nope
[20:28] <Noize> i could port forward
[20:28] <esigolo> try wget
[20:28] <iBelieve> popey, is there still going to be a file manager meeting?
[20:28] <esigolo> download on the the download phablet-flash
[20:28] <esigolo> downoad/phablet-flash
[20:28] <Noize> my cmd im running: phablet-flash -d mako --flipped
[20:30] <popey> iBelieve: seems like the guys haven't remembered
[20:30] <Noize> esigolo: full output
[20:30] <Noize> http://pastebin.com/LFw3nA9e
[20:31] <popey> iBelieve: if there's any specific questions I'd recommend bringing them up on the mailing list.
[20:31] <iBelieve> popey, okay
[20:32] <popey> Noize: in ~/Downloads/phablet-flash, what's the most recent folder?
[20:32] <popey> and do the file md5sums match the ones on the site?
[20:33] <esigolo> Noize: if it not match remove the files and do download it again
[20:33] <iBelieve> popey, when will the next meeting be?
[20:33] <Noize> md5sum: 20130627: read error
[20:33] <popey> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Meetings iBelieve
[20:33] <popey> weekly
[20:33] <popey> but we're here all week, as you know
[20:34] <genii> Heh.
[20:34] <popey> Noize: let me try, one mo
[20:34] <Noize> ok thank you popey
[20:34] <popey> downloading...
[20:34] <iBelieve> popey, okay, I saw that but it didn't look like it was current since the log was from 2 months ago.
[20:34] <popey> yeah, i need to update that
[20:34] <popey> thanks for the reminder ☻
[20:37] <popey> Noize: works here
[20:37] <Noize> i'll delete and restart it
[20:37] <popey> maybe rm -rf ~/Downloads/phablet-flash/20130627
[20:38] <popey> yeah
[20:38] <Noize> Is anyone working on Glass for Ubuntu-Touch?
[20:39] <ogra_> do you mean the other way round ?
[20:39] <ogra_> (not that i heard of though)
[20:39] <Noize> restate, is anyone working on integration of Glass on Ubuntu-Touch?
[20:40] <ogra_> might happen if there are devices
[20:41] <Noize> i could work on that once i'm finished with an app i'm creating...
[20:41] <ogra_> porting to a new platform kind of means you need to have it in your hands
[20:41] <Noize> yeah, but truely all i need is the android app for it... Plus once google finishes Javascript within the appengine it would be simple
[20:42] <Noize> i have glass considerably close, lol... Plus you just need to have Glass Mirror API access which i do
[20:42] <Noize> or atleast i believe
[20:43] <Noize> bluetooth tethering work with Ubuntu-Touch yet?
[20:44] <ogra_> nope
[20:44] <pmcgowan> ogra_, can I download 0627 again now?
[20:45] <popey> just flashed 0627 here
[20:45] <popey> (mako)
[20:46] <ogra_> pmcgowan, you should yeah
[20:47] <Noize> files downloaded, adb is now going through it
[20:47] <Noize> new error
[20:48] <Noize> im using TWRP Error while executing adb shell df -h
[20:48] <popey> does plain old "adb shell" work?
[20:48] <Noize> i had to unplug and replug in the device for it to show up on abd devices
[20:49] <Noize> *adb
[20:49] <Noize> everytime it restarts my device it doesn't show on adb
[20:51] <Noize> popey, I can access my nexus via shell after I reconnect it
[20:51] <popey> ok
[20:51] <popey> strange I don't get that
[20:51] <Noize> when the system restarts it doesn't reconnect
[20:51] <Noize> again im using TWRP for my root
[20:52] <Noize> (revovery mod)
[20:55] <Zigimatis> God.It is hard
[20:56] <iBelieve> For merge requests, should I specifically ask someone to review it, or is just submitting a merge request good enough?
[20:57] <Noize> popey when it restarted device from cmdline, i just unplug and replugged in device... it's working now
[20:59] <popey> iBelieve: submitting is sufficient usually
[21:00] <iBelieve> popey, okay thanks.
[21:00] <Zigimatis> hey,is there will be twitter core app official?
[21:01] <Zigimatis> or community make unofficial?
[21:01] <Noize> Popey i didnt go to Ubuntu-Touch
[21:02] <Noize> it booted into carbon
[21:02] <popey> Zigimatis: neither, its a webapp
[21:02] <popey> i have no idea what carbon is
[21:02] <popey> are you doing some kind of dual boot malarky?
[21:02] <Noize> its a rom
[21:03] <Noize> popey i
[21:03] <Noize> m going to wipe cache and dovaric
[21:04] <Noize> basically factory reset
[21:04] <Zigimatis> i am sorry for my,sometimes,bad english.beacause i am from ukraine
[21:05] <popey> no need to apologise
[21:05] <Zigimatis> so now ubuntu touch is based on cm 10.1 right?
[21:06] <ogra_> a very small part is, yeah
[21:07] <Zigimatis> and i final realease it will be just one .zip what is requaired ti flash?just ubuntu?
[21:07] <ogra_> no, we try to keep all HW specific bits away from the rootfs
[21:08] <ogra_> so we will likely keep the split zip setup
[21:09] <Zigimatis> hmmm.So user will need to install throught recovery drivers (one .zip) and ubuntu (another .zip)?
[21:09] <ogra_> no
[21:09] <Zigimatis> right?
[21:09] <Zigimatis> Then how?
[21:09] <ogra_> the user should only need to use phablet-flash
[21:09] <ogra_> there is work going on to also support community ports
[21:10] <Noize> popey, i'm restoring to my files from last night, I also have an adb backup on my computer from prior root
[21:10] <Noize> how do i restore to that?
[21:12] <esigolo> adb restore <file>           - restore device contents from the <file> backup archive
[21:14] <Noize> nothing for restore esigolo
[21:14] <esigolo> how did you the backup?
[21:14] <Noize> adb bakup
[21:14] <esigolo> where is the backup file?
[21:15] <Noize> computer dir
[21:15] <Noize> '/Nexus4'
[21:15] <esigolo> are u on the same folder?
[21:15] <Noize> yes
[21:16] <esigolo> have u flashed the stock rom?
[21:17] <Noize> no
[21:17] <esigolo> take a look on it http://www.thesuperusersguide.com/adb-backup--restore.html
[21:18] <Noize> im on Ubuntu
[21:18] <Noize> not windows
[21:20] <esigolo> Noize: sorry  but usually i use CWM backups
[21:20] <esigolo> Noize: i THINK you have to flash the stock rom again before the restore
[21:20] <Noize> np
[21:20] <esigolo> i'm no sure about that
[21:27] <Zigimatis> i stuck ay the resolving detalis.Seclond time on 97%
[21:27] <Zigimatis> sorry *deltas
[21:28] <esigolo> Noize: how did you the backup? i mean with what options?
[21:28] <esigolo> backup -apk -all -f xxxx.ab ?
[21:28] <Noize> i don't recall
[21:32] <Zigimatis> restar.All fine
[21:32] <esigolo> Noize: like i said before i'm not sure but in you place I would flash stock and try again
[21:33] <Noize> esigolo im flashing cwm again
[21:33] <esigolo> Noize: when i want to test it
[21:34] <esigolo> i do the cwm backup
[21:34] <esigolo> and cwm restore
[21:34] <Noize> backing up
[21:35] <Noize> which restore do i restore too?
[21:35] <esigolo> are u with you android rom right ?
[21:36] <Noize> atm no
[21:36] <Noize> i couldn't find mako android rom
[21:36] <esigolo> have u already flashed ubuntu-touch?
[21:36] <Noize> yes, but it didn't work
[21:36] <Noize> is there a way to start from fresh?
[21:37] <Noize> like revert the device to factory?
[21:37] <esigolo> restore it from stock
[21:37] <esigolo> To stock
[21:37] <esigolo> and after flash ubuntu touch
[21:37] <esigolo> if you want to
[21:38] <esigolo> start CWM  recovery mode and take a backup from your custom rom
[21:38] <esigolo> copy the files to your pc with adb
[21:38] <Noize> ok i just backed up
[21:38] <esigolo> flash stock rom
[21:39] <Noize> how do i move the files to my pc?
[21:40] <esigolo> adb pull
[21:40] <esigolo> locate the CWM backup files
[21:40] <esigolo> and copy to your computer
[21:42] <Noize> where are the backupfiles by default?
[21:42] <esigolo> usuallu /sdcard/clockworkmod/backup/
[21:42] <esigolo> adb shell
[21:43] <esigolo> locate the files
[21:43] <esigolo> usually
[21:43] <Noize> i have 3 backups in there
[21:43] <Noize> 1970-01-<IP_ADDRESS>  2013-06-18-15.43.28  2013-06-<IP_ADDRESS>
[21:43] <esigolo> you have 3 backups
[21:44] <Noize> yes
[21:44] <esigolo> okay now you know where is it
[21:45] <esigolo> copy to your computer
[21:45] <Noize> all of them>
[21:45] <Noize> ?
[21:45] <esigolo> adb pull pick wich one you want to
[21:46] <esigolo> and adb pull source folder local folder
[21:47] <esigolo> after
[21:47] <esigolo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[21:48] <esigolo> flash stock and follow the steps
[21:51] <robotfuel> fastboot -b isn't working for me with mako do I have to manually install clockworkmod?
[21:54] <Noize> esigolo do i need to be in recovery mode to restore android?
[21:55] <esigolo> what you want to restore?
[21:55] <Noize> default android
[21:55] <Noize> stock
[21:57] <Zigimatis> breakfast command dosent work.says that is no such command
[21:57] <esigolo> yes
[21:58] <esigolo> Noize: man is very very important
[21:58] <esigolo> you follow the wiki steps
[21:58] <esigolo> you can brick your phone
[22:01] <Noize> man?
[22:01] <Noize> oh i see now
[22:01] <Noize> got it, thank you
[22:01] <esigolo> sorry
[22:01] <Noize> i'm just verifying before i do stuff :)
[22:01] <esigolo> Noize: sure
[22:02] <Noize> esigolo it'
[22:02] <Noize> it's been flashed
[22:05] <Zigimatis> need help
[22:06] <Zigimatis> command breakfast doesn found
[22:09] <Noize> lol needa root it xD
[22:12] <Noize> what is download mode?
[22:12] <Zigimatis> some help?
[22:14] <Noize> popey what is Download Mode?
[22:21] <Zigimatis> too hard for me
[22:36] <Noize> my device had to verify update package and now it's installing update
[22:36] <Noize> according to terminal it will reboot into ubuntu  once completeed
[22:38] <popey> fingers crossed
[22:39] <Noize> popey the output from my device was this: ClockworkMod Recover v<IP_ADDRESS>
[22:39] <Noize> E: Invalid command argument
[22:39] <Noize> Finding Update package...
[22:39] <popey> ☹
[22:39] <Noize> OIpening update package...
[22:40] <Noize> verifying update package
[22:40] <popey> maybe manual install is the way..
[22:40] <Noize> E: signature verification failed
[22:40] <popey> adb push foo.zip /sdcard/autodeploy.zip
[22:40] <Noize> then i said yes install
[22:40] <Noize> Installing update...
[22:40] <Noize> that's where im at currently
[22:41] <Noize> what do you think? manually install or just wait?
[22:42] <Noize> popey?
[22:43] <popey> sorry Noize I don't know, not seen this issue before.
[22:44] <popey> you could file a bug about it?
[22:44] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview/+filebug
[22:44] <Noize> ok i'll manual install
[22:44] <popey> describe what you did, and what error messages you see.
[22:44] <Noize> if it turns on
[22:46] <Noize> popey
[22:46] <Noize> The sauzy zip is on my device
[22:46] <Noize> for mako
[22:46] <Noize> should i install it?
[22:46] <Noize> from sdcard?
[22:49] <Noize> popey could you help me, i'm flustered...
[22:49] <Noize> :?
[22:49] <Noize> :/
[22:50] <popey> sorry Noize it's late and I'm snoozy. shall we try again in the morning?
[22:50] <Noize> i'd like to just finish it quick
[22:50] <Noize> 2min is all i ask
[22:50] <popey> also, I need to put the bins out or my wife will kill me, and you don't want to be held responsible for that!
[22:50] <popey> ☻
[22:50] <popey> ok, so what state is it in now?
[22:50] <Noize> recovery
[22:50] <Noize> i could install the zips from sdcard
[22:51] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation
[22:51] <Noize> im looking at taht
[22:51] <popey> so can you do the adb push as detailed there?
[22:51] <Noize> no devices attached
[22:51] <popey> and do the adb reboot recovery in between
[22:51] <popey> what device is this?
[22:51] <popey> nexus 4?
[22:51] <Noize> nexus 4
[22:51] <Noize> mako
[22:51] <Noize> same as yours
[22:51] <popey> GSM?
[22:51] <Noize> i guess
[22:51] <popey> not some whacky "Made in america" phone standard ㋛ ?
[22:52] <Noize> i got it from the play store
[22:52] <popey> ok
[22:52] <popey> what network do you use it on?
[22:52] <Noize> made in korea it says on back
[22:52] <popey> aren't they all!
[22:52] <Noize> 2G 3G HSPA+
[22:52] <popey> which carrier?
[22:52] <Noize> tmobile
[22:52] <popey> USA?
[22:52] <Noize> yes
[22:53] <popey> ok.
[22:53] <popey> have you configured it for some dual boot scenario to keep android?
[22:53] <Noize> no
[22:53] <popey> ok.
[22:53] <popey> adb push /path/to/your/downloaded/saucy-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip /sdcard/autodeploy.zip
[22:53] <popey> what happens?
[22:53] <popey> where s/grouper/mako/
[22:54] <Noize> in my downloads
[22:54] <Noize> insufficient permissions for device
[22:54] <Noize> should i sudo?
[22:54] <popey> adb kill-server
[22:54] <popey> sudo adb root
[22:55] <popey> then try the adb push without sudoi
[22:55] <popey> -i
[22:56] <Noize> no file of that type
[22:56] <Noize> i have the same one you have
[22:56] <Noize> both of those files that are downloaded are on my nexus
[22:56] <Noize> within the sdcard
[22:56] <Noize> just not in the autodeploy.zip
[22:56] <popey> ah
[22:56] <popey> it has to be called /sdcard/autodeploy.zip
[22:56] <popey> one at a time
[22:57] <popey> do one, adb reboot recovery
[22:57] <popey> then do the other
[22:57] <popey> in order, as per the wiki
[22:57] <Noize> ok
[22:57] <popey> don't shove both onto the device at once
[22:57] <popey> BARK! BARK! BARK! sergiusens!
[22:57] <Noize> so i should adb pull the prinstalled touch armel+mako and touch armhf off my phone
[22:57] <Noize> then follow wiki?
[22:57] <popey> I would personally..
[22:57] <popey> adb shell
[22:57] <popey> cd /sdcard
[22:58] <popey> and rm the zips
[22:58] <popey> then just do the adb push commands as per the wiki
[22:58] <Noize> ok
[22:58] <popey> with the adb reboot recovery in between
[22:58] <Noize> thank you! i will do when i get home from work
[22:58] <popey> Can I go to bed now? ☻
[22:58] <ShippD> lol
[22:59] <Noize> yes lol :)
[22:59] <popey> \o/
[22:59] <popey> Nn
[23:00] <sergiusens> popey: hey
[23:00] <sergiusens> what's up?
[23:00] <popey> Me.
[23:00] <popey> To bed.
[23:01] <sergiusens> popey: don't BARK before bedtime or you'll get nightmares :-P
[23:48] <xcfxf> hi there
[23:49] <xcfxf> is there anybody who can help me with my ubuntu installation on my nexus s phone?


[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hey soo... are there any release notes for Groovy Beta that I can link to?
[15:27] <RikMills> mparillo: ? ^
[15:28] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: I haven't had time :(
[15:29] <RikMills> the beta has not been good timing for me
[15:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: Yeah, I hear ya. Same here. Been super busy, had to spit-out some notes yesterday.
[15:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> Decided to say something when I realized I had a dead link.


[08:07] <jibel> sil2100, Good morning. Did you modify the headers of the tarball tab in the landing spreadsheet yesterday?
[08:30] <sil2100> jibel: ah! Yes, I did, let me get those back
[08:31] <sil2100> jibel: apologies, forgot you used those
[08:32] <jibel> sil2100, np, I added one more hack to the bot, I was not sure it was on purpose
[08:34] <jibel> sil2100, there is more string changes with silo 17. There is a fix for string extraction in unity8
[08:36] <jibel> sil2100, gallery-app has been approved but not published. Can you do it or you need bfiller?
[08:38] <sil2100> jibel: gallery-app got published yesterday
[08:39] <jibel> sil2100, why is it not on the image?
[08:40] <sil2100> jibel: not sure, the landing happened at 1:30 of my time, maybe it went in too late?
[08:40] <sil2100> Need to check the build times
[08:40] <jibel> sil2100, livefs was built 6h ago
[08:41] <jibel> and finished 5h ago
[08:41] <jibel> s/livefs/rootfs
[08:41] <sil2100> Ok then, so we'll need bfiller for that
[08:42] <sil2100> Probably he didn't publish the click alongside the deb
[08:42] <sil2100> Unfortunate ;/
[08:42] <jibel> sil2100, anyone else can do it? it's a national holiday in the US today
[08:43] <sil2100> Ah, right, normally TImo was helping out with that but we don't have him around as well
[08:43] <sil2100> Not sure if he generated the click already
[08:44] <sil2100> Let me try finiding someone
[08:46] <sil2100> hm, no one seems around
[08:46] <ogra_> yeah, we should all take the day off
[08:46] <ogra_> seems half the world is off today
[08:47] <ogra_> damn ... my krillin behaves weird recently
[08:48] <jibel> ogra_, what sort of misbehaviour?
[08:48] <ogra_> yesterday evening i noticed it was off ... since i wasnt sure how long it was since last charge i didnt worry ... but after plugging in it shows 43%
[08:49] <ogra_> i charged it for like 20min before going to bed ... booted and it also showed 43% in the indicator (above was the android water level animation)
[08:49] <ogra_> i left it like that on the nightstand ... to find it drained this morning again
[08:49] <ogra_> i just plugged it in and it starts again at 43%
[08:49] <ogra_> :/
[08:51] <popey> hey guys, a question...
[08:51] <popey> if you set your phone to "never" lock, and then lock it yourself. if an alarm goes off (which wakes the screen) would you expect it to re-lock/blank again after?
[08:52] <ogra_> no
[08:52] <ogra_> well
[08:52] <ogra_> it would be nice if it did
[08:53] <ogra_> but i dont think it can actually be expected
[08:53] <jibel> popey, I'd expect the phone goes back to the state it was before the notification
[08:55] <davmor2> popey: I'm with jibel here, I would expect it to return to the state it was in
[08:58] <popey> Ok, I'm with jibel and davmor2 :)
[08:58] <popey> I set mine to "never" lock, yet a notification will mean my phone (which was locked) will now have the screen on all day on my desk and die as a result
[08:58] <popey> also, it will trigger emergency calls in my pocket
[08:59] <jibel> it's worth a UX bug
[08:59] <popey> ok, will do
[08:59] <sil2100> brb, will have to go offline for a few moments
[09:07] <jibel> oSoMoN, is it possible to delete or rename a bookmark folder?
[09:07] <oSoMoN> jibel, with the current implementation, no
[09:08] <oSoMoN> jibel, there will be a dedicated UI for bookmark folders management later
[09:09] <jibel> oSoMoN, OK, it looks good to me with the details you added in your email.
[09:09] <oSoMoN> excellent!
[09:09] <abeato> trainguards, could somebody publish silo 6 (wily)? ^^
[09:13] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1471154
[09:15] <jibel> oSoMoN, add an autopilot test to delete a bookmark from a folder and there is nothing left to test manually :)
[09:17] <oSoMoN> jibel, actually, I think there is one, let me check
[09:20] <oSoMoN> jibel, webbrowser_app.tests.test_new_tab_view.TestNewTabViewContents.test_remove_bookmarks_when_collapsed and webbrowser_app.tests.test_new_tab_view.TestNewTabViewContents.test_remove_bookmarks_when_expanded
[09:39] <jibel> oSoMoN, you set the MR to 'Needs Fixing'. Is everything fixed and if so can you fix the status and top approve?
[09:39] <jibel> oSoMoN, I'm referring to https://code.launchpad.net/~artmello/webbrowser-app/webbrowser-app-bookmark_folders/+merge/260410
[09:40] <oSoMoN> jibel, oh yes, sorry I overlooked that
[09:40] <oSoMoN> jibel, approved
[09:44] <abeato> sil2100, mind publishing silo 6?
[09:52] <jibel> sil2100, silo 17 there is a new PO because some strings were not extracted. We land it despite the UI string freeze right?
[09:53] <sil2100> jibel: yeah, I think we need to make an exception here
[09:53] <jibel> sil2100, I mean the work is done, strings are currently not translatable at all so it cannot harm anything
[09:53] <jibel> sil2100, okay
[09:53] <jibel> rvr, davmor2 ^
[09:55] <rvr> Ack
[10:26] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can silo 16 be published, please?
[10:30] <jibel> oSoMoN, do you plan any other landing for OTA5?
[10:31] <oSoMoN> jibel, no, that was the last one
[10:31] <jibel> good
[10:58] <sil2100> popey, jibel: I'm looking for someone that could upload and push the gallery click further into the store
[10:59] <popey> i can do that
[11:05] <oSoMoN> sil2100, can you publish silo 16 for me, please?
[11:06] <sil2100> oSoMoN: on it
[11:06] <oSoMoN> cheers
[11:20] <nik90> sil2100: Is there any more UITK silos for OTA-5? I would like to have the fix to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1463430 part of OTA-5.
[11:21] <nik90> sil2100: I don't see pat online, otherwise I would ask him to add it to the ota-5 milestone
[11:27] <abeato> sil2100, I need you help to copy over lxc-android-config 0.227 to silo 35, as the package does not belong to the ci-train
[11:27] <abeato> sil2100, I was syncing from silo 6
[11:49] <popey> nik90: all of US is on vacation today
[11:49] <popey> pre-july-4
[11:50] <nik90> ah
[13:02] <sil2100> abeato: will do :)
[13:02] <sil2100> nik90: the US have a national holiday today...
[13:03] <nik90> sil2100: I will bring this up bug to Pat on Monday
[13:21] <abeato> sil2100, nice, thanks
[13:22] <ogra_> sil2100, i wont make the landing meeting tonight (need to drive my GF around)
[13:22] <sil2100> ogra_: hey! We never have landing meetings on Friday evenings ;)
[13:22] <ogra_> oh
[13:22] <ogra_> my calendar is outdated :P
[13:25] <sil2100> abeato: the binaries should be there any minute now
[13:25] <abeato> sil2100, just seen it after refreshing :)
[13:40] <jibel> renatu, I don't understand the test to execute and what silo 26 fixes exactly. Can you clarify the test in https://trello.com/c/cYJQsXVM/1841-ubuntu-landing-026-address-book-app-bfiller-renato or the related bug report?
[13:40] <renatu> jibel, let me see
[13:42] <renatu> jibel, to test it you can install silo 22 which implements call forward
[13:42] <renatu> jibel, then go in the phone settings and try to choose a contact from your address-book
[13:42] <renatu> jibel, it should allow you to select only one contact
[13:42] <jibel> renatu, ah ok, that's the missing information. Thanks
[13:43] <renatu> jibel, there is no other app that ask for only one contact
[13:48] <alecu> hi sil2100! I'm trying to find out what the image # was for ota-4 on mako. Do you know where I can find that?
[13:49] <sil2100> alecu: hey! You mean, image number in the stable channel? It's #20
[13:49] <alecu> ah, right, the stable channel.
[13:50] <alecu> thanks!
[13:50] <sil2100> From channel ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en (as we also have mako there)
[13:51] <ogra_> we realy need to stop using image numbers .. as soon as there are like 10 or 20 phones you wont really be able to get anything meaningful via that number anymore
[13:51] <alecu> agreed
[13:52]  * ogra_ thinks we should somehow expose the rootfs version number a bit more ...
[13:53] <sil2100> Well, the rootfs is only partially what's on the phone, since we have customs that matter as well
[13:53] <ogra_> sure
[13:54] <ogra_> but if you generally talk about images and want to match across the spectrum of devices the rootfs is a good base at least
[14:00] <bfiller> sil2100: I will push the click for gallery to the store in a few minutes
[14:04] <sil2100> bfiller: we already did that
[14:04] <sil2100> bfiller: no worries, popey pushed it :)
[14:04] <sil2100> We didn't know you'll be around
[14:23] <pmcgowan> sil2100, can you run the rtm meeting assuming you decide to have it
[14:23] <pmcgowan> since I am not ere
[14:23] <pmcgowan> here
[14:23] <sil2100> pmcgowan: sure :) Don't know how many attendees we'll have
[14:24] <sil2100> We might do it short today
[14:31] <renatu> jibel, I noticed that you marked the silo 22 as dependency for silo 26. And this is not really true. Since they are independent changes
[14:32] <renatu> jibel, you just need silo 22 because there is no other way to manually test silo 26. But they are not dependent .
[14:37] <jibel> renatu, right, but as you said there is no other way to test 26 without 22 so in that sense they are dependent.
[14:46] <sil2100> I feel old
[14:47] <sil2100> dbarth: hey! So, I don't remember your answer from yesterday regarding the new oxide - you mentioned that we need 1.8.* released for OTA-5 and I don't see it in a silo yet
[14:47] <sil2100> dbarth: any progress on that?
[14:51] <popey> hehe, want to feel old, this was 2 years ago today http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/2013/device-2013-07-03-114048.png
[14:53] <ogra_> where did the resistor app go !
[14:54] <popey> i think some were in a ppa, but never converted to click
[14:54] <ogra_> ah
[14:54] <popey> there's a few of them
[14:54] <popey> checkers for example
[14:54] <ogra_> yeah
[14:54] <dbarth> sil2100: nope; i can't a build of the newest oxide; and we won't be able to get the findinplace feature in browser, because of the string freeze
[14:54] <ogra_> sad ...
[14:55] <popey> dbarth: do we know when background audio in oxide will happen?
[14:55] <dbarth> sil2100: i can only offer to transfer the oxide 1.8 build from the 23rd, to get the ball rolling
[14:55] <dbarth> popey: well, that one at least would be fixed by that earlier build ^^
[14:59] <popey> dbarth: yay
[15:00] <dbarth> sil2100: on line 79
[15:01] <dbarth> for info, it's been in test within the team for the last week or so, and passes the basic browser test plan
[15:05] <davmor2> sil2100: device tarball device_arale-20150701-cdd791c.tar.xz is passed not sure who has to press the button on that now is it you or alextu
[15:26] <davmor2> mzanetti: I have a small issue with the packaging on silo17, in that it killed my phone.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11816008/
[15:27] <davmor2> mzanetti: stuck on the meizu logo for 10 minutes,  I'm assuming by the autoremove list that something didn't install
[15:27] <sil2100> davmor2: it's in alextu's hands now
[15:27] <davmor2> sil2100: thanks
[15:27] <sil2100> Let's send him an e-mail so he's aware once up on Monday
[15:27] <mzanetti> davmor2, yeah, it pulls a new dependency. citrain tool doesn't like that
[15:28] <mzanetti> davmor2, install libevdev2 and then try again
[15:29] <davmor2> sil2100: I'll leave that with you then altough it looks like he is trying to land another one too
[15:47] <davmor2> mzanetti: started fresh and manually installed that seems to be working thanks for the info
[15:48] <mzanetti> davmor2, no prob :)
[15:53] <jibel> rvr, if you ever finish 22 today can you take 26?
[15:54] <rvr> jibel: Sure
[15:57] <rvr> kenvandine: Approving silo 22
[15:57] <kenvandine> rvr, cool, thx
[16:03] <kenvandine> oh man!
[16:03] <kenvandine> jgdx, silo 40 wasn't merged!
[16:04] <rvr> Hmm
[16:04] <rvr> 26 needs silo 22
[16:04] <kenvandine> rvr,  yes
[16:10] <jibel> sil2100, bfiller are you sure the gallery pushed to the store is the right version? THe icon didn't change
[16:11] <bfiller> jibel: let me check, the new icon is basically the same - no noticable difference
[16:12] <jibel> bfiller, ok, for other apps it was notably different, that's why I ask.
[16:13] <bfiller> jibel: yes I was surprised by this too
[16:14] <davmor2> mzanetti: with your silo 17 installed can you open news articles from the news scope at all, everything else seems to open as expected except the news feeds
[16:15] <mzanetti> davmor2, testing
[16:15] <bfiller> jibel: it looks like it's correct version, you can compare to the images in the zip file attached to the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/gallery-app/+bug/1457424/+attachment/4401627/+files/256.zip
[16:15] <mzanetti> davmor2, you mean opening the preview?
[16:15] <mzanetti> davmor2, erm, yes... works for me
[16:16] <mzanetti> also opens the browser and everything
[16:16] <davmor2> mzanetti: so scroll to the news scope then tap on an article,  For me I get the haptic feedback but it doesn't do anything else
[16:16] <jibel> bfiller, right, it is not striking :) thanks
[16:17] <mzanetti> davmor2, odd.. it does open the preview here
[16:17] <mzanetti> and I can go further to euronews from there
[16:17] <davmor2> mzanetti: are you testing on arale or on krillin?
[16:18] <mzanetti> arale
[16:18] <davmor2> same here
[16:18] <mzanetti> davmor2, the other scopes work?
[16:18] <davmor2> mzanetti: so if I go to the bbc news scope articles now open
[16:19] <mzanetti> davmor2, because the silo only changes uinty8, which only has the ui but nothing to do with the actual scope content
[16:19] <mzanetti> i.e. it's exactly the same code that opens some scope entry, regardless of which scope
[16:19] <mzanetti> (with the exception of the apps scope)
[16:20] <jibel> bfiller, flickering is not gone either (bug 1425563) on arale
[16:20] <davmor2> mzanetti: same article on news scope doesn't open this is plain weird :(
[16:20] <jibel> I'm on 1208
[16:21] <mzanetti> davmor2, so the only thing in scopes this silo touches is to make a label wrap around. and that label is not even used in the news scope
[16:21] <mzanetti> all the rest touches unity only, not the dash/scopes
[16:21] <bfiller> jibel: not completely gone but should be a bit better than it was, smoother really
[16:21] <mzanetti> davmor2, weird indeed
[16:21] <bfiller> jibel: installing now to verify
[16:22] <davmor2> let me reboot
[16:23] <jibel> bfiller, I don't really see an improvement. Behaviour is the same on krillin non upgraded, and arale upgraded
[16:24]  * jibel has to go, bbiab
[16:27] <davmor2> mzanetti: rebooted now it works fine \o/
[16:27] <mzanetti> davmor2, awesome
[16:27] <mzanetti> davmor2, you got me nervous a little I must admit...
[16:27] <mzanetti> on friday 6:30 pm
[16:27] <mzanetti> :D
[16:28] <mzanetti> davmor2, seems like the scope backend got stuck in some odd state then
[16:29] <davmor2> mzanetti: so I've opend 5 now with no issues
[16:29] <mzanetti> wohoo :)
[16:30] <davmor2> mzanetti: must of just been a weird state, something to keep an eye out for though maybe :)
[16:30] <mzanetti> yep. I will
[16:43] <bfiller> jibel: see my message to the list, but yes some flickering does exist still and is expected. It is a bit better after initially opening a photo once (espescially portrait photos) and toggling in and out of fullscreen. Certainly not perfect
[16:43] <bfiller> jibel: the first opening of a photo from the Events view will still flicker the most
[17:25] <robru> jgdx: kenvandine: so does 40 need to be re-QA'd since it was rebuilt?
[17:25] <kenvandine> robru, sorry, no it doesn't
[17:26] <kenvandine> there was some manual messing with those yesterday to work around a depends issue and snappy builds
[17:26] <kenvandine> robru, i was cleaning up the mess... :)
[17:27] <kenvandine> robru, and the changes between the silos was completely isolated
[17:30] <robru> kenvandine: alright if you're on top of it, that's cool
[17:31] <kenvandine> robru, i am, and i'm sure it's good
[17:31] <robru> kenvandine: wait isn't it a US holiday today? what are you doing here? ;-)
[17:32] <kenvandine> i swapped yesterday
[17:32] <robru> ah
[17:32] <kenvandine> so i wasn't around for the mucking around with settings in the archive yesterday :)
[17:33] <robru> oh fun
[17:39] <greyback_> trainguards: could I get a silo for spreadsheet line 78 please
[17:40] <robru> greyback_: try assigning yourself, it should work ;-)
[17:42] <greyback_> robru: hmm, I would like to land a -gles twin package, and would like to land to both series. Is that not a possibility?
[17:43] <greyback_> qtmir should be identical in both series
[17:43] <robru> greyback_: it's possible only with MPs.
[17:44] <robru> greyback_: if you prep an MP for qtmir-gles it'll work.
[17:44] <greyback_> robru: so I should make MP for the -gles twin too. ok
[18:45] <jgdx> kenvandine, okay, idk about that
[18:45] <jgdx> kenvandine, why? the debs were published
[18:46] <jgdx> are those different things? :s
[19:01] <robru> jgdx: yes, merging the MPs in the silos is a separate step that happens after the debs are published to the archive.
[19:01] <robru> jgdx: I'm not sure why it wasn't merged, but anyway ken rebuilt already so it's a moot pont
[19:01] <robru> point
[19:03] <kenvandine> jgdx, it was held in proposed
[19:03] <kenvandine> the merging happens after it goes to release
[19:03] <kenvandine> jgdx, i took care of it
[19:31] <boiko> robru: could you please trigger a rebuild of telephony-service from silo 44 for powerpc and ppc64el?
[19:31] <robru> boiko: on it
[19:32] <boiko> robru: thanks
[19:33] <robru> boiko: you're welcome
[19:35] <rvr> robru: Oops
[19:35] <rvr> robru: Can you revert silo 35?
[19:36] <rvr> robru: I approved it by mistake, sorry :(((
[19:36] <rvr> robru: I changed the spreadsheet back to Required
[19:36] <robru> rvr: looks like you got it? I didn't publish
[19:37] <rvr> robru: Ok
[19:37] <rvr> bfiller: Silo 26 approved
[19:37] <bfiller> rvr: thanks