 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkblA_CxHgU
 @KMyers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRLfGwQ7Nsw
 Why do we keep talking about Toto Africa here?
 Why not?
 You would have to had been there. It involved a public restroom and a Toto toilet
 All I remember is Judd saying, "go, let's go now,"
 https://youtu.be/c2gq4IwIc_s
 just saw captain marvel
 Worth a trip to the theater?
 i think alita was better, but yeah, doesn't disappoint
 Watching marvel now
 Movie is worth a shot
 Ties up some loose ends but there's a couple things don't make sense
 https://youtu.be/_9drCiOoBog?list=PLBX-r5iVfDOuRwc3OcCcdubeXPzxw2KJt&t=326
 @AdamOutler @KMyers @Ivoriesablaze https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkblA_CxHgU
 @RazPi, Watched it this morning when you posted it.  Thanks.


[03:39] <pitti> Good yawning
[03:40] <stgraber> hey pitti (probably a sign I should stop working soonish ;))
[03:40] <pitti> hey stgraber, ça va ?
[03:41] <stgraber> pitti: bien et toi ?
[03:41] <pitti> stgraber: un peu fatigué, mais bien, merci !
[04:31] <RAOF> pitti: Good morning!
[04:31] <pitti> hey RAOF, how are you?
[04:32] <RAOF> I'm pretty good, yourself?
[04:35] <RAOF> pitti: Feel like doing a colord upload from git?
[04:35] <pitti> RAOF: can do
[04:36] <pitti> RAOF: any hope this will fix https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/job/saucy-adt-colord/?
[04:36] <RAOF> Oh, *that's* what I forgot!
[04:36] <RAOF> So, maybe :)
[04:38]  * RAOF checks
[04:55] <RAOF> Bah. Stupid run-adt-test wanting an ubuntu-distro-info update that doesn't exist!
[04:58] <pitti> RAOF: that was fixed in September already..
[04:58] <pitti> revno: 232
[04:58] <pitti>   Install distro-info during initial provisioning
[04:58] <RAOF> “Please check for an update for distro-info-data. See /usr/share/doc/distro-info-data/README.Debian for details” wasn't.
[04:58] <pitti> RAOF: ah, I think you can ignore that
[04:59] <RAOF> Except that it appears to be a fatal error for run-adt-test :)
[04:59] <RAOF> But I can work around it by extending Saucy's lifespan into November ☺
[04:59] <pitti> hm, I never ran into that
[05:00] <sarnold> seen roughly six hours ago... < cjwa tson> It's "distro-info-data is broken" day
[05:01] <pitti> oh, because there is no development series
[05:03] <RAOF> Indeed
[05:04] <stgraber> we just need to make distro-info send an e-mail to Mark asking for the new dev release name every time someone runs it, that may make things move faster ;)
[05:05] <pitti> RAOF: built fine in sbuild; ok to upload? (I guess you don't want to un/re-tag that upload anyway, but would be nice to fix the autopkgtest at some point)
[05:06] <RAOF> pitti: I don't mind blocking the upload on working out precisely why the test is broken.
[05:06] <RAOF> It's not urgent.
[05:06] <pitti> RAOF: ok
[06:03] <RAOF> pitti: Hm.  I might just disable the tests :/
[07:20] <mlankhorst> hahha
[07:20] <pitti> slangasek: oh, still awake? must be release day..
[07:20] <pitti> slangasek: or are you in London?
[09:44]  * tumbleweed grumbles at distro-info
[09:44] <tumbleweed> I wonder if we'll ever get a release name in advance of release, again
[09:46] <tjaalton> meh, a local news site jumped the gun on the release..
[09:47] <smartboyhw> tjaalton, which one?
[09:47] <smartboyhw> (Can't these news sites be a bit patient?)
[09:48] <tjaalton> smartboyhw: http://www.tietokone.fi/artikkeli/uutiset/ubuntun_uusi_versio_julkaistiin
[09:48] <Laney> Wouldn't worry about it, happens every time
[09:48] <tjaalton> hmm actually the headline is in past tense ("was released"), and the subtitle says "will be released today"
[09:49] <smartboyhw> Nice grammar
[09:49] <tjaalton> you bet :)
[10:23] <mlankhorst> can someone accept mesa-lts-raring to precise-proposed
[10:23] <mlankhorst> and then the binaries again after that?
[10:44] <lifeless> slangasek: heh - are you really still working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/864466 ?
[11:14] <mlankhorst> hm distro_info complains about being outdated :(
[11:14] <Laney> yeah :(
[11:21] <xnox> mlankhorst: file a bug and assign to sabdfl ?! =)
[11:21] <mlankhorst> well I guess we need to know the new series first :P
[11:22] <Saviq> pitti, ping
[11:22] <pitti> hello Saviq
[11:23] <cjwatson> mlankhorst: we've set silbs on the problem
[11:23] <Saviq> pitti, hey, Q: since we can't send bug reports to LP from apport, how do I know it's actually sent et all?
[11:23] <Saviq> pitti, for a 32MB report of Banhsee, it exits straight away after pressing S
[11:24] <pitti> Saviq: they are (supposed to be) uploaded in the background; you should eventually get an .uploaded stamp in /var/crash/
[11:24] <pitti> Saviq: pressing S will just generate the .upload stamp, which whoopsie should pick up
[11:24] <Saviq> pitti, aah, so it needs to be there in /var/crash - if I retraced, need to put it there anyway
[11:24] <Saviq> pitti, got it
[11:25] <pitti> Saviq: (as I said, you can also comment out the problem_types line in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf to send it to apport, but you don't want that on the phone anyway)
[11:25] <Saviq> pitti, yeah this one's from the desktop, but yeah, thanks
[11:25] <pitti> Saviq: whoopsie doesn't do anything with the retraced result
[11:25] <pitti> so that won't help
[11:25] <Saviq> pitti, ah ok, so I just need to send the raw crash then :)
[11:26] <pitti> Saviq: local retracing is mostly for your own benefit, not for error.u.c./LP
[11:27] <Saviq> pitti, yeah
[11:39] <YokoZar> http://i.imgur.com/FC5VM2S.png
[12:04] <ion> :-D
[12:45] <smoser> worlds most annoying bug
[12:46] <smoser> chromium alerts me to something in the middle of the night. its dialog window goes beind some other window i have.
[12:46] <smoser> no way to find it.
[12:46] <smoser> clicking on the launcher chromium just brings the primary window forward
[12:53] <StevenK> smoser: Alt-` ?
[12:56] <smoser> StevenK, i guess the other part i didn't mention was the dialog goes on a different desktop
[12:56] <smoser> (ie, i left the machine on a different desktop at night, so the dialog popped up there)
[13:07] <smoser> so what would i open that bug on ? it reproduces with other non-chromium things. anything with a dialog.
[13:08] <smoser> is that unity or compiz
[13:16] <Saviq> hyperair, ping
[13:16] <hyperair> Saviq: pong
[13:16] <Saviq> hyperair, hey, wanted to ask if I could help you somehow in getting banshee 2.9.0 packaged?
[13:17] <hyperair> Saviq: eh well, i'm waiting for a dependency to pass throguh NEW
[13:17] <Saviq> hyperair, ah, so probably not on release day :D
[13:17] <hyperair> :)
[13:18] <Saviq> hyperair, got a branch I could build locally?
[13:18] <hyperair> Saviq: nope
[13:18] <hyperair> Saviq: there are quite some changes in 2.9.0
[13:18] <Saviq> hyperair, yeah I saw that
[13:18] <hyperair> a lot of build-deps are changing
[13:18] <hyperair> stuff moving to gtk3
[13:19] <Saviq> hyperair, interesting all (save one) distro patches apply cleanly :D
[13:19] <hyperair> oh that's nice
[13:19] <Saviq> or with some offsets at most
[13:19] <hyperair> configure flags will need fixing, build-deps will need tweaking..
[13:20] <Saviq> hyperair, and what's the dep that's NEWing/
[13:20] <Saviq> ?
[13:20] <hyperair> gudev-sharp
[13:22] <Saviq> hyperair, k thanks, feel free to ping me if you need help with it
[13:24] <hyperair> sure
[13:30] <smoser> anyone able to triage https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1240977
[13:30] <smoser> i'm not even sure if that is the right package.
[13:40] <ChrisTownsend> smoser: One of us on the Unity team will take a stab first
[13:56] <pitti> infinity: congrats!
[13:57] <infinity> pitti: Thanks, I did it all by myself.
[13:57] <pitti> infinity: and will receive all the blame, too!
[13:58] <infinity> pitti: well, all the VAC bounces, anyway. :)
[13:58] <seb128> is t open yet?! :p
[13:58] <knocte> hyperair: speaking of 2.9.0, have you tested it with the mono that ubuntu 13.10 bundles? it crashes for me
[13:58] <Laney> Onwards to Turgid Teletubby
[13:59] <hyperair> knocte: er. nope, haven't tested 2.9.0 art all.
[13:59] <hyperair> at*
[13:59] <hyperair> knocte: but the last git version before gtk3 works
[13:59] <hyperair> (the one in banshee-daily)
[13:59] <knocte> I see
[14:00] <knocte> well, I'm going to test with mono 3.2.1 now from directhex PPA
[14:00] <pitti> seb128: telephatic tortoise
[14:00] <knocte> I think it will fix it
[14:00] <hyperair> okay
[14:00] <pitti> away with hud, keyboard, touch, and mouse -- it will just read your mind
[14:00] <barry> twerking turkey
[14:00] <knocte> hyperair: if that's the case, maybe the daily ppa should depend on mono 3.2.1? can ppas depend on other ppas?
[14:01] <hyperair> knocte: yes they can
[14:01] <hyperair> knocte: but why?
[14:01] <seb128> pitti, turbulent turkey you mean?
[14:02] <hyperair> knocte: doesmono 3.2.1 not work?
[14:02] <barry> tangy toucan
[14:02] <knocte> hyperair: the other way around, I'm saying banshee 2.9.0 crashes for me with mono 2.10.x (the one that ubuntu has by default)
[14:02] <hyperair> oh
[14:02] <tumbleweed> surely tranquil for an LTS?
[14:02] <hyperair> well try it and see, i guess
[14:02] <hyperair> knocte: the problem is upgrading mono typically means upgrading the world
[14:02] <directhex> hyperair, (banshee breaks on sgen on amd64)
[14:03] <knocte> I know :(
[14:03] <hyperair> knocte: i don't want to force such invasive changes for one app.
[14:03] <knocte> directhex: I wasn't talking about that crash
[14:03] <hyperair> (if possible)
[14:03] <hyperair> directhex: what's sgen?
[14:03] <directhex> the new default GC which was previously optional
[14:03] <hyperair> bleh
[14:04] <hyperair> is that a mono bug or a banshee bug?
[14:04] <knocte> mono bug, but there's a patch for that which already fixes it
[14:04] <knocte> cherrypicked from master
[14:04] <knocte> but I wasn't talking about that crash at all now
[14:04] <hyperair> oh
[14:04] <hyperair> so there's another bug?
[14:04] <knocte> I'm talking about mono 2.10.x crashing
[14:05] <directhex> knocte, stack trace on paste.ubuntu.com ?
[14:07] <knocte> directhex: unmanaged stacktrace for now, not very useful before I install debug symbols: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6251188/
[14:08] <directhex> that's new and exciting
[14:08] <knocte> the weird thing is that it doesn't happen with ubuntu 13.04 (which ships the same mono AFAIU)
[14:08] <knocte> at least that's what Bertrand runs I think
[14:20] <knocte> directhex: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6251236/ your ppa doesn't work with saucy right?
[14:21] <directhex> knocte, add the raring repo, it should work the same on saucy
[14:21] <knocte> ok thanks
[15:11] <slangasek> lifeless: heh... no, not working on that one :/
[15:29] <seb128> Laney, ara: hum, I wonder if there is an issue with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:3.4.2-0ubuntu0.12
[15:30] <seb128> the most frequent issues on e.u.c are segfaults in g-c-c networks's panel and e.u.c seems to indicate it started with that version
[15:30] <seb128> though the diff is a bit weird as a cause of the stracktraces
[15:30] <seb128> e.g
[15:30] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/7fe3809ac4806e554174f3ea41f1f31656f91a3a
[15:31] <seb128> well, it didn't start with that version, but it was very unfrequent before
[15:32] <ara> oops
[15:37] <Laney> hmm
[15:41] <slangasek> pitti: so, you think this code is too ugly to be enabled on !arm?
[15:42] <pitti> slangasek: we don't need it on !arm, and we'd just make the filter chain unnecessarily slower
[15:42] <Laney> seb128: yeah it's probably caused by this
[15:42] <seb128> Laney, :-(
[15:42] <seb128> Laney, do you see the bug in the patch?
[15:42] <Laney> not immediately
[15:42] <pitti> slangasek: also, I wanted to make as un-invasive as possible for an SRU
[15:42] <pitti> slangasek: sorry, need to run now; TTYT?
[15:43] <slangasek> pitti: ok.  fwiw I'd be more comfortable with it as an SRU if it were being applied consistently across architectures
[15:43] <slangasek> I don't like arch-specific code paths
[15:43] <seb128> Laney, do you want to have a look or should I follow up via email with the certification team/the guys who worked on the backport?
[15:43] <pitti> slangasek: well, it's a signle-platform specific hack anyway, and while the overhead might not be that big it's certainly there
[15:43] <slangasek> so I wonder what the actual overhead is of the filtering :)
[15:43] <Laney> seb128: I'll look quickly but I can't verify it because I don't have precise/wifi to test flight mode
[15:44] <pitti> slangasek: it's "no filter chain at all" vs. "having that filter chain" (i. e. not jsut three more commands)
[15:44]  * pitti really off now, sorry
[15:46] <bdmurray> seb128: could you or someone have a look at bug 1239226?
[15:46] <seb128> bdmurray, seems like the bug Laney fixed in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/0.9.22-1ubuntu1
[15:47] <seb128> bdmurray, I've asked on the bug if that's still an issue
[15:50] <bdmurray> seb128: thanks, I'd see it to and am rebooting to test again.
[15:50] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks
[16:29] <Saviq> kirkland, hey, is it possible that bug #878547 is back in byobu 5.17 (precise)?
[16:31] <kirkland> Saviq: hmm, the fix to that bug did land in precise, so if you're still seeing, it's probably another bug
[16:32] <Saviq> kirkland, I was definitely having a bunch of apt-gets hogging my machine - and it seems to have stopped after disabling byobu - if I confirm I'll file a new one
[16:36] <seb128> would be great if e.u.c was waiving a flag when a new bug jumps out, especially after a SRU in the lts
[16:37] <seb128> (e.g that -
[16:37] <seb128> (e.g that g-c-c segfault that was recently added in a sru)
[16:37] <seb128> is that on some roadmap from someone?
[16:37] <seb128> ev: ^?
[16:38] <Laney> more bdmurray's turf I'd say
[16:38] <Laney> We have the phased update stuff, it'd be similar-ish to that without the client side bits
[16:41] <bdmurray> seb128: what bug?
[16:42] <seb128> bdmurray, the one Laney just uploaded a SRU for,  https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/7fe3809ac4806e554174f3ea41f1f31656f91a3a
[16:44] <bdmurray> phased-updates would have caught that, the support just doesn't fully exist in precise
[19:19] <smoser> $ ubuntu-distro-info --devel
[19:19] <smoser> ubuntu-distro-info: Distribution data outdated.
[19:21] <ScottK> smoser: That happens whenever there is no devel release.
[19:22] <smoser> i know why :)
[19:22] <smoser> was wondering if there was going to be a 'T' soon. or if i just missed it.
[19:25] <ScottK> First sabdfl has to pick a name.
[19:25] <ScottK> AFAIK, he hasn't.
[19:25] <lifeless> congrats on the release
[19:26] <lifeless> I'm plumbing for Taunting Tortoise
[19:26] <smoser> plumbing ?
[19:26] <lifeless> bah
[19:26]  * smoser thinks of lifeless playing super mario
[19:26] <lifeless> plumping
[19:27] <Dayofswords> I wanted R to be Radiant Robin....
[19:28] <sarnold> I think Reliant Robin was a missed opportunity..
[19:28] <mwhudson> teratogenic texan!
[19:28] <sarnold> Maybe Turbo Trabant could make up for it.. a bit..
[19:36] <noskcaj> kirkland, roaksoax: Have either of you got time to help with testdrive now? A new Vbox release is out, i have a merge waiting, plus danChapman and i both have attempts at porting to gtk3 that need finishing.
[19:45] <xnox> cjwatson: infinity: bdrung_: ScottK: smoser: i fixed ubuntu-distro-info and pull-lp-source: https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-dev-tools/fix-series-alias-lookups/+merge/191700 and http://paste.ubuntu.com/6252891/
[19:46] <xnox> the correct answer is "devel"
[19:47] <slangasek> xnox: erm, cjwatson had specific reasons for not doing that, else it would've been done much sooner; who says this is "correct"?
[19:47] <xnox> slangasek: i'd like to hear those reasons.
[19:49] <xnox> slangasek: it did seem "correct" to cjwatson/apw/infinity and I in the pub couple of hours ago =)
[19:50] <slangasek> xnox: hum, ok then
[19:50] <slangasek> I remembered cjwatson having objections :)
[19:50] <xnox> slangasek: well, it's not like there is any point to upload distro-info without new codename and cjwatson will be around to comment before that happens.
[19:51] <xnox> cjwatson: what's wrong with adding a timeless "devel" entry to ubuntu.csv?
[19:51] <slangasek> xnox: ack
[19:51] <slangasek> xnox: oh right, so there's nothing wrong with adding it as an option, but there was a reason we didn't want it to be the default
[19:52] <seb128> slangasek, hey, I was reading https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-session/0.81 ... do we have anything on the desktop supposed to "clean up pulseaudio on exit"?
[19:52] <seb128> slangasek, I'm asking because I've issues where
[19:52] <seb128> $ loginctl user-status ubuntu
[19:53] <seb128>                   ├─c22.session
[19:53] <seb128>                   │ ├─4322 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[19:53] <seb128>                   │ ├─4395 /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper
[19:53] <seb128>
[19:53] <xnox> slangasek: oh i see, at the  moment "devel" ends up in "supported" =(
[19:53] <xnox> slangasek: which is clearly wrong.
[19:53] <seb128> slangasek, which makes lightdm/indicator-session show the "ubuntu" user as logged in when it's not
[19:54] <slangasek> seb128: upstart should reap all of its children on exit, and this *was* working earlier in the cycle
[19:55] <seb128> slangasek, well, I've also some indicator processes still running, those are not upstart managed, so maybe that's what is keeping pulseaudio active there
[19:56] <xnox> slangasek: hm, but even with "$ faketime 2013-10-10 ubuntu-distro-info --supported" shows saucy as "supported".
[19:56] <xnox> slangasek: i guess "supported" means stable+devel.
[19:56] <slangasek> well, all the processes should have been children of upstart, which I would expect to reap all its children on exit, not just the ones directly related to jobs. hmm.
[19:57] <xnox> slangasek: does our fast showdown/exit do this
[20:02] <slangasek> xnox: what do you mean?
[20:02] <xnox> slangasek: well the code fixes for "10s delay on logout"
[20:03] <slangasek> xnox: which I think have not landed yet, right?
[20:03] <xnox> i'm not sure i've seen it go into the path of reap all its children on exit.
[20:03] <slangasek> I may have just been assuming this based on the behavior I'd seen
[20:03] <xnox> slangasek: oh, right, it didn't. I thought it did....
[20:03] <slangasek> I know that before we switched to user sessions, pulseaudio would leave processes around all the time
[20:04] <slangasek> and when user sessions went live, this problem went away
[20:04] <slangasek> but maybe it's come back again.
[20:05] <slangasek> how do we launch pulseaudio, if not as a user job? .desktop?
[20:06] <xnox> slangasek: i don't see a user job, there is a system job.
[20:07] <xnox> slangasek: there is xdg-autostart .desktop file which calls the /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-x11
[20:07] <xnox> which is an interesting shell script...
[20:08] <slangasek> yeah, but that script doesn't actually start the daemon
[20:08] <slangasek> except as a side-effect
[20:13] <slangasek> xnox: so pulseaudio is started ad-hoc on the desktop, and calls setsid(); which means signals don't propagate automatically to it, and I'm not sure session init even has a sane way to know it's there
[20:14] <stgraber> I tried making it a user job initially then gave up
[20:15] <stgraber> we'd need to override the pulseaudio dbus activation and then make it a user job. Or we possibly could ship a job that does nothing but has a post-stop which sends a kill signal to pulseaudio through pactl
[20:18] <robert_ancell> beuno, hey, is there anything else holding up my click apps in developer.ubuntu.com?
[20:19] <slangasek> stgraber: it seems to be a user job on the phone right now, fwiw... though the job is broken and is in state 'stop/waiting' because of a wrong expect rule
[20:21] <stgraber> hmm, not sure how that's not racy then, unless the way dbus works on the phone makes dbus activation impossible?
[20:22] <seb128> stgraber, slangasek: can we get upstart to do dbus activation?
[20:23] <slangasek> seb128: er, we had patches in the dbus package to do this, and those patches were dropped
[20:24] <seb128> slangasek, yeah, that's unfortunate, we got stucked with "no dbus maintainer, nobody knowing enough the code to update them"
[20:24] <slangasek> yes, and yet someone updated the package and dropped the patches
[20:24] <seb128> right, because it was either that or not updating dbus
[20:24] <slangasek> instead of leaving the package as-is until somebody could move it forward
[20:24] <seb128> iirc
[20:24] <seb128> well, leaving things behind has issues as well
[20:25] <xnox> slangasek: pkill -u $uid is a good call =)
[20:25] <xnox> slangasek: or making logind rip kill processes...
[20:26] <seb128> slangasek, but yeah, I don't disagree with you, it's just where we stand today :/
[20:26] <stgraber> xnox: I like my LXC containers and screen sessions, so no thanks :)
[20:28] <xnox> stgraber: if uid not in ['stgraber', 'hallyn', 'ubuntu']:
[20:29] <slangasek> xnox: not so much :P
[20:29] <seb128> xnox, seems you need to add slangasek to that list ... ;-)
[20:30]  * hallyn tries to make sense of backlog
[20:31] <slangasek> hallyn: xnox is trolling everyone who wants reliable systems
[20:31] <seb128> hallyn, we are speaking about user processes still running after session closing
[20:32] <stgraber> xnox: if lp.people[uid] not in lp.people['ubuntu-dev'].participants
[20:32] <hallyn> if i wanted reliable systems, woudl i have just bricked my arm laptop with non-working kernel?  I DON'T THINK SO
[20:34] <hallyn> we could do liek the cool systemd kids and use a cgroup :)
[20:35] <stgraber> no, the cool systemd way is precisely the problem :)
[20:35] <hallyn> (containers jumping into another cgroup)
[20:35] <stgraber> yeah, would work for containers
[20:35] <hallyn> stgraber: i was pretty sure that was the case :)
[20:35] <hallyn> (saw logind mentioned)
[20:35] <stgraber> not for screen/byobu :)
[20:35] <stgraber> so start a screen session, logout, it's gone, doesn't seem ideal ;)
[20:35] <stgraber> (and giving privileges to byobu/screen to change cgroups seems a bit hackish ;))
[20:36] <ccope> hey hallyn, what held up setting CONFIG_USER_NS=y in the 13.10 kernel?
[20:37] <ccope> i thought the last blocker were some xfs changes, which i thought got merged...
[20:37] <hallyn> ccope: not in 13.10
[20:37] <hallyn> they'r ein 13.11
[20:37] <hallyn> but also,
[20:37] <hallyn> there's an issue being worked on with overmounted directories not being deleteable by root
[20:38] <hallyn> used to be no big deal as only root could overmount.  but now that anyone can do so, it's a problem
[20:40] <ccope> ah. is the 13.11 milestone targeting a 14.04 release, or an update to 13.10, or something else?
[20:41] <ccope> nvm, i see it is for 14.04
[20:42] <kirkland> stgraber: what's this about byobu and cgroups?
[20:43] <stgraber> kirkland: tmux/screen/whatever stays in the background get killed on systems using logind with cgroups (so not Ubuntu) when the user logout from the graphical session
[20:43] <slangasek> kirkland: it's really a screen issue rather than a byobu one; but basically, reiterating that the cgroups model of managing desktop sessions is flawed
[20:43] <kirkland> stgraber: well, that's not how things are supposed to work :-)
[20:44] <kirkland> slangasek: ah, okay
[20:45] <slangasek> "we don't want to use process groups for managing sessions, because things can escape them by calling setpgrp() and then we don't clean up the session properly" "so let's use cgroups instead, so that processes can't escape!" "hey guys, there are processes that actually need to escape and you've broken the existing interfaces for doing that"
[20:46] <hallyn> slangasek: and then the answer is that you can escape cgroups anyway if you need to.  which means pgroups were just fine.  yes, i've argued that about 5 years ago iirc
[20:47] <stgraber> hallyn: the way logind works, you can't escape them, well, unless you happen to own a cgroup directory somewhere else in the hierarchy
[20:47] <hallyn> or you're root...
[20:48] <slangasek> right
[22:01] <bdmurray> slangasek: could you have a look at the upgrade failure in bug 1241120 with me?
[22:03] <Logan_> How should I version an SRU if I want it to be pushed up to t-series as well? And are SRUs being accepted right now for saucy?
[22:05] <hallyn> stgraber: i don't understand the libvirt 0.9.8-2ubuntu17.15 rejection - libvirt 0.9.8-2ubuntu17.14 failed to build, .15 includes the bugs for .14 (which it fixes), but there's no explicity bug for the FTBFSs
[22:06] <hallyn> anyway nonworking internet has me hulkified.  going outside for a bit
[22:12] <Logan_> ScottK? Could I rudely bother you for an answer to my question above? :P
[22:13] <ScottK> Logan_: SRUs are being accepted.  Just use regular SRU versioning.  As of now, the archive hasn't been copied to "T", so whatever gets in will automatically end up there.
[22:13] <Logan_> Awesome. Thanks!
[22:15] <slangasek> bdmurray: looking
[22:18] <slangasek> bdmurray: so can you reproduce it with the apt-clone state?
[22:19] <bdmurray> slangasek: I haven't tried that.  Do you know of a good way to test the apt clone files?
[22:19] <slangasek> bdmurray: hum, there's supposed to be "some" way to do it, but I don't know the details - I thought you might :-)
[22:20] <bdmurray> slangasek: I should probably sort that out then.
[22:22] <bdmurray> stgraber: did you have a good way for testing release upgrades?
[22:30] <slangasek> bdmurray: apt-clone itself has a 'restore' option, with a --destination flag; not sure if that tries to install all the packages or if it just restores the metadata
[22:30] <bdmurray> slangasek: it tries to install the packages from whatever mirror is listed in sources too
[22:31] <slangasek> ok, so maybe the fast path is to just unpack the tarball and point apt at it for upgrading
[22:41] <slangasek> bdmurray: d=/tmp/1241120; sed -i -e's/raring/saucy/g' $d/etc/apt/sources.list; rm -f $d/etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list; mkdir -p $d/var/lib/dpkg $d/var/cache/apt ; cp $d/var/lib/apt-clone/dpkg-status $d/var/lib/dpkg/status; apt-get -oDir::State::status="$d/var/lib/dpkg/status" -oDir::State="$d/var/lib/apt" -oDir::Cache="$d/var/cache/apt/" -oDir::Etc="$d/etc/apt/" update; sudo apt-get -oDir::State::status="$d/var/lib/dpkg/status" ...
[22:42] <slangasek> ... -oDir::State="$d/var/lib/apt" -oDir::Cache="$d/var/cache/apt/" -oDir::Etc="$d/etc/apt/" dist-upgrade
[22:42] <slangasek> seems like something we ought to encapsulate in a nice little helper script
[22:44] <slangasek> unfortunately we can't just use -oRootDir because apt assumes that means it can find its binaries under that tree too
[22:46] <slangasek> also, that fails miserably if using apt configured for amd64 on an i386 apt-clone ;)
[22:48] <slangasek> bdmurray: in any case, that doesn't reproduce the reported problem
[22:48] <bdmurray> bug 1241123 is similar and on amd64
[22:49] <bdmurray> however it looks like they have some package versions no longer available
[22:49] <bdmurray>  xserver-xorg-video-intel  <2:2.21.6-0ubuntu4.1>   <2:2.21.6-0ubuntu4.3>
[22:51] <slangasek> mm? 2:2.21.6-0ubuntu4.1 seems to be the raring-updates version
[22:52] <bdmurray> I think 4.3 is current
[22:52] <slangasek> not according to rmadison
[22:52] <slangasek> -4.3 is only listed in raring-proposed
[22:53] <bdmurray> oh, maybe its phasing
[22:54] <slangasek> ah, rmadison is 6 hours out of date, interesting
[23:02] <slangasek> bdmurray: tried with the other (amd64) one, can't reproduce the problem there either using apt-get dist-upgrade; maybe we need to simulate the upgrade with ubuntu-release-upgrader itself to reproduce the problem
[23:03] <bdmurray> Did you look at the problem resolver log?
[23:03] <slangasek> yeah
[23:04] <bdmurray> I'm working on using apt-clone restore on an i386 lxc container at the moment
[23:04] <slangasek> it gets in a loop w/ gdm/libgdm/gnome-shell, but I don't see any root cause for this
[23:05] <bdmurray> what would I look for if I get this test system squared away?
[23:06] <slangasek> bdmurray: I do see in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/154017777/VarLogDistupgradeMainlog.txt that it mentions removing gnome-bluetooth by request of lubuntu-desktop... which seems to be specific to u-r-u and could explain not being able to reproduce it with apt-get
[23:07] <slangasek> bdmurray: well, if it's reproducible with apt-get then I'm not sure what to look at.  If it's not reproducible with apt-get but is reproducible with u-r-u, then that could point to a bug in the u-r-u quirks, like the above which might be a problem
[23:08] <slangasek> but in theory that's a *post*-upgrade quirk
[23:09] <slangasek> AIUI
[23:10] <slangasek> anyway, both raring and saucy versions of gnome-shell depend on gnome-bluetooth, which makes that rule problematic but I'm not sure it's related to this upgrade problem
[23:12] <slangasek> bdmurray: both of those bug reports have both lubuntu-desktop and gnome-shell installed, and both show gnome-bluetooth in the problem resolver output... different solutions considered in each case, but I'm starting to think that yes this is the cause and u-r-u's labelling these as "post" upgrade removals is misleading
[23:13] <bdmurray> slangasek: yeah, it looks like an issue of having ubuntu-desktop & lubuntu-desktop installed
[23:14] <slangasek> so I think just dropping the lubuntu PostUpgradeRemove line should DTRT, since that was added for the oneiric->precise upgrade and is obsolete now
[23:18] <bdmurray> slangasek: okay, thanks


[00:00] <holstein> nhr: you can include lspci
[00:02] <nhr> ok, it's going to be painful to copy from desktop, but it says it has detected gforce 7100 / nforce 630i
[00:03] <asterismo> does anybody noticed a problem with browsing files in nautilus (oneiric ocelot) by pressing letter keys to select the first file with that letter?
[00:04] <holstein> asterismo: i havent tried.. what is your findings? you find a bug report?
[00:05] <asterismo> then pressing backspace goes back a folder level instead of deleting the written stuff
[00:05] <asterismo> yes
[00:05] <asterismo> i already reported
[00:05] <asterismo> i just wanted to know if i'm the only one
[00:06] <holstein> asterismo: i dont have unity in front of me right now, but next time i do, i will try it
[00:10] <asterismo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/884528
[00:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 884528 in nautilus "odd nautilus beahavior when browsing files by pressing letter keys" [Undecided,New]
[00:11] <holstein> asterismo: thanks, i'll make a note of the URL
[00:13] <asterismo> and other think i noticed was the slow logout/restart/shutdown that occurs with unity. Not for LXDE for example. It takes a while to close all apps, and the desktop remains a while... but it has been reported.
[00:15] <asterismo> if somebody see cprofitt, tell him that the broadcom wireless problem (it was not detected by oneiric ocelot) it finally was a hardware problem, the pci card was bad plugged. i oopened the laptop and fixed it.broadcom detecion is just fine
[00:17] <nhr> holstein: started the thread on forums - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11416728
[00:20] <holstein> nhr: cool.. just as long as you know you'll need to be proactive... unless someone comes along with that graphics card and says 'hey, let me tell you..'
[00:20] <nhr> Going to try my luck on #ubuntu again :) Thanks for the help
[00:20] <holstein> sure... as long as you know, its the graphics card
[00:21] <holstein> thats the issue... you can sit around in there for a long time and come right back around to that...
[00:21] <nhr> I am not really sure about that part. But who knows
[00:21] <nhr> If it's card, why did it worked for so long and why suddenlly started failing now
[00:22] <holstein> nhr: well, thats what im telling you
[00:22] <holstein> the driver
[00:22] <holstein> the kernel
[00:22] <nhr> Yes
[00:22] <holstein> that *is* the issue
[00:22] <holstein> i would bet some money on it
[00:22] <holstein> im 98% sure
[00:23] <nhr> And you will get some money :) I think you are right. Something got screwed up in last update
[00:23] <holstein> but, again, its your time... im just trying to save you some time, and point you in the direction i would go trouble shooting
[00:23] <nhr> ok
[00:27] <holstein> nhr: i didnt give up ;)
[00:27] <holstein> anyways.. you still havent actually told me what hardware you have
[00:27] <nhr> Neither have I
[00:27] <holstein> if you want, open a terminal, or tty, whatever you have and type
[00:27] <holstein> lspci
[00:27] <holstein> then, you'll see something nvidia there
[00:27] <nhr> let me ssh to box then I can copy/paste
[00:28] <holstein> or, you can pastebin the whole thing
[00:30] <nhr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/725892/
[00:35] <holstein> well, this i mentioning your hardware http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1356748
[00:35] <nhr> taking a look
[00:35] <holstein> i would need to be in front of it
[00:36] <holstein> i feel confident i would install something on it
[00:36] <holstein> i would probably just install 10.04 though... but i would try the alternate 11.10 install, and install the proprietary driver from CLI if necessary
[00:37] <holstein> i would boot the live CD like you did and *not* take the updates
[00:37] <holstein> anyways... do what you want... its challening since nvidia is not going to help you, and i dont have the hardware, and canonical cant help you
[00:38] <holstein> so.. that leaves you at trying to notice what upgrade breaks functionality, and filing a bug
[00:38] <holstein> and following up
[00:40] <nhr> ok, will see what I can do
[00:40] <asterismo> hi PabloRubianes
[00:40] <PabloRubianes> hi asterismo
[00:40] <PabloRubianes> what are u doing here?
[00:40] <holstein> nhr: that post makes it sound like i gave up, and i didnt... FYI
[00:41] <holstein> thanks for mentioning me though :)
[00:42] <asterismo> PabloRubianes > hanging arround, looking for some answers... reporting some bugs
[00:44] <nhr> holstein: You did help me - it's only fair
[01:30] <nhr> holstein: if you are there, some success at last
[01:30] <holstein> cool :)
[01:31] <nhr> Turns out had nothing to do with graphics card
[01:31] <nhr> But more like with a tv tuner card
[01:31] <holstein> well, ive been wrong before
[01:31] <nhr> I had it installed last week - but machine worked ok for few days
[01:31] <holstein> i should have insisted on the lspci right off
[01:32] <nhr> But then latest upgrade did something. I just removed the card, did another fresh install and it works
[01:32] <holstein> well, that seems plausible then
[01:32] <nhr> So now I have entertainment of finding right driver for the card
[01:32] <holstein> i would still upgrade and see if it breaks
[01:33] <nhr> yeh, forgot about that part, took your advice and removed network cable. Let me update first
[01:33] <holstein> make a note of what packages are listed to update
[01:34] <nhr> ok
[01:34] <holstein> i still got money on the graphics card ;)
[01:37] <nhr> http://pastebin.com/JAYvwV9M
[01:38] <nhr> Rather lot of packages to update - its updating right now
[01:39] <holstein> nhr: what 1 is not upgraded?
[01:39] <holstein> O I C
[01:39] <holstein> software center.. that shouldnt break anything
[01:40] <holstein> nhr: did you run apt-get update?
[01:40] <nhr> Yes
[01:40] <holstein> i would expect a kernel update, and i would think that that would be what would break things
[01:40] <holstein> but, you could be right... you'll know here in a bit :)
[01:41] <nhr> Keeping my fingers crossed - this is 2nd interesting experince I have with ubuntu upgrades
[01:41] <nhr> The least I can say is it keeps my machine clean :(
[01:42] <holstein> eh, i reinstall often...
[01:47] <nhr> holstein: Packages updated and it back again
[01:47] <holstein> good :)
[01:47] <nhr> My theory now is it has to do with driver for the card. I followed instructions at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_Obtain,_Build_and_Install_V4L-DVB_Device_Drivers
[01:47] <nhr> and something went bad
[01:49] <holstein> nhr: did you do that this 2nd time though?
[01:49] <nhr> Not yet
[01:49] <nhr> Going to try it though
[01:49] <holstein> sure
[01:49] <nhr> Now at least I know what's happening
[01:49] <nhr> and get back to machine - any way it's clean
[01:52] <nhr> holstein: May be I spoke too soon - machine just died on me - just like previous time - forced me to reboot
[01:53] <nhr> I mean like yesterday when the whole trouble started. At least I do get gui back this time
[01:55] <holstein> that could be hardware... i would start testing things
[01:55] <holstein> make sure the ram is seated, and the graphics card... test the ram, and the hard drive
[01:58] <nhr> ok
[05:13] <tlm> Synaptic Error 75? http://pastebin.com/7ZGJeFWs
[05:14] <stlsaint> tlm: nginx always +1 IMO
[05:15] <stlsaint> tlm: then of course postfix is your problem package...can you safely purge it?
[05:15] <tlm> stlsaint Should I dlete it or reinstall it>
[05:16] <stlsaint> try marking it for reinstall via synaptic
[05:16]  * tlm hates this ergonomic kb...
[05:23] <stlsaint> tlm: i must head out now. please feel free to continue to ask questions for help from another
[06:50] <bioterror> m0himan!
[07:13] <M0hi> bioterror: :P
[07:31] <truepurple>  I put a DVD movie into my drive, but it isn't showing up(my dvd drive that is), anyone know what might be wrong?\
[08:12] <M0hi> truepurple: is it displayed in fdisk -l command ?
[08:12] <M0hi> and is it only for a particular disk ? or for all?
[08:14] <truepurple> M0hi, when I type that command, nothing happened but it going to the next line, and I tried a old windows game in there too, and the drive didn't show either
[08:14] <truepurple> But I did burn a DVD with this drive before
[08:15] <M0hi> Thats strange. Did you ever read any disc with this driver?
[08:15] <M0hi> I mean loaded any dvd before?
[08:20] <truepurple> I think I was able to see the disk that I burned before, but its been awhile since I have used it
[08:20] <truepurple> I know I have had some issues with it before, and even recently
[08:21] <truepurple> Like I tried burning with it earlier and it wasn't doing it,
[08:21] <truepurple> I thought at first it was, but I think it was just creating the image for burning instead
[08:22] <truepurple> M0hi,
[08:25] <M0hi> I forgot the command actually to grep the DVD driver. lspci will display. But I am not sure what to grep
[08:32] <truepurple> M0hi, remembered yet?
[08:33] <M0hi> lshw |grep dvd
[08:33] <M0hi> try that
[08:34] <M0hi> truepurple: pastebin the output
[08:35] <truepurple> Its doing something, it warns me that I should do it as a "super user"
[08:36] <M0hi> add sudo then
[08:41] <truepurple> M0hi, it still seems to be trying to do something, how do I cancel out?
[08:42] <bioterror> truepurple, ^C
[08:42] <M0hi> ctrl + c
[08:43] <truepurple> Not working it says "^C
[08:43] <truepurple> " but it doesn't give me the prompt back
[08:44] <truepurple> M0hi, if I closed that terminal and started another, would that cancel it out?
[08:44] <bioterror> your drive is borked
[08:52] <truepurple> how did you come to that conclusion, bioterror?
[08:53] <bioterror> becouse another DVD did not work, and now that one is hanging there without being read correctly
[08:53] <bioterror> you can also check in terminal: dmesg
[08:53] <bioterror> and see if it prompts something
[08:53] <bioterror> but I'm pretty confident with my diagnose ;)
[08:54] <truepurple> "you can also check in terminal: dmesg" what does that mean?
[08:54] <bioterror>  open terminal
[08:54] <bioterror> and type:
[08:55] <bioterror> dmesg
[08:55] <bioterror>        dmesg - print or control the kernel ring buffer
[08:55] <truepurple> bioterror, how do I escape out of the previous command though? Just shut down the terminal and open a new one?
[08:56] <bioterror> open new terminal :D
[09:00] <truepurple> What exactly do you want me to type, bioterror?
[09:03] <truepurple> "dmesg" then "      dmesg - print or control the kernel ring buffer"? bioterror?
[09:07] <bioterror> dont type anything
[09:07] <truepurple> bioterror, what do you mean?
[09:12] <truepurple> M0hi, bioterror, anyone here?
[09:12] <bioterror> what did that dmesg prompt you?
[09:12] <bioterror> does the kernel spit out any errors?
[09:13] <truepurple> I asked you what exactly you wanted me to type bioterror, your command suggestion is confusing
[09:13] <truepurple> *instructions
[09:13] <bioterror> I wanted you to open terminal
[09:13] <bioterror> and type: dmesg
[09:13] <bioterror> dmesg
[09:13] <bioterror> press then enter
[09:14] <truepurple> btw bioterror, someone else had me type " dmesg | grep sr0"
[09:14] <bioterror> for sure
[09:14] <truepurple> and I got  dmesg | grep sr0
[09:14] <truepurple> [    2.194980] sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
[09:14] <truepurple> [    2.195104] sr 0:0:1:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
[09:15] <bioterror> it is found
[09:15] <bioterror> yes
[09:15] <bioterror> but does kernel say anything
[09:16] <truepurple> I don't know what that means
[09:16] <truepurple> bioterror, what should I type to see what kernal says?
[09:44] <truepurple> IAmNotThatGuy, You are M0hi? :p
[09:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> IAmNotThatGuy :P
[09:47] <truepurple> Maybe you are that guy?
[09:47] <truepurple> Shared PC?
[09:48] <IAmNotThatGuy> LOL no :P
[09:48] <truepurple> Then you are M0hi then
[09:49] <truepurple> Anyway, can you help me figure out why I can't see my DVD rom drive?
[10:10] <duanedesign> morning all
[10:10] <truepurple> morning
[10:11] <truepurple> duanedesign, can you help me figure out why I can't get my DVD drive to work with ubuntu, or why it shows two users on my system?
[10:12] <duanedesign> truepurple: what version of Ubuntu?
[10:13] <duanedesign> truepurple: under the 'Me Menu' you see two usernames?
[10:13] <truepurple> 11.04, classic mode
[10:13] <duanedesign> ok
[10:13] <truepurple> no, someone said to type "uptime" as a comand, and it said "2 users"
[10:13] <truepurple> *command
[10:14] <duanedesign> truepurple: ok, i that is fine
[10:14] <duanedesign> well, at east i get the sane thing
[10:14] <duanedesign> least*
[10:15] <truepurple> When I put a DVD movie, or a old windows CD game in, neither shows up, and nautilus doesn't see my DVD drive. Some commands show that ubuntu has some knowledge of the drive being there, but it does not seem properly mounted
[10:16] <truepurple> duanedesign,
[10:16] <duanedesign> hmm
[10:17] <duanedesign> truepurple: have you installed the package - ubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:17] <truepurple> I don't know
[10:17] <duanedesign> it installs some stuff to make dvd's, mp3, etc work in Ubuntu. Stuff you likely need but can not be installed by default because of liscenses
[10:18] <duanedesign> truepurple: you can search for the package and install it via the software center or you can run this command in a terminal -  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:19] <truepurple> why restricted?
[10:19] <truepurple> ubuntu-restricted-extras is already the newest version.
[10:19] <duanedesign> ok
[10:21] <duanedesign> truepurple: you will also need to install libdvdcss2 package  to play encypted DVD's
[10:21] <duanedesign> Most commercial DVDs are encrypted with CSS (the Content Scrambling System)
[10:21] <duanedesign> truepurple: the command is - sudo apt-get install libdvdread4
[10:21] <truepurple> How do I check? But regardless, I still need to have my drive show up first
[10:22] <truepurple> libdvdread4 is already the newest version.
[10:22] <duanedesign> ok, and you run the script installed by the pakage. sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[10:23] <truepurple> You mean that it is the newest version, doesn't mean it is installed?
[10:24] <duanedesign> truepurple: yes 'already newest version' means it is installed
[10:25] <truepurple> Then what is the script thing about
[10:26] <truepurple> duanedesign, What was that last command you had me run, for?
[10:26] <truepurple> Anyway, it said --2011-11-02 05:23:09--  http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/natty/free/binary-amd64/Packages
[10:26] <truepurple> Resolving packages.medibuntu.org... <IP_ADDRESS>, 2a01:e0b:1:127:ca0a:a9ff:fec8:ec19
[10:26] <truepurple> Connecting to packages.medibuntu.org|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... Resolving packages.medibuntu.org... <IP_ADDRESS>, 2a01:e0b:1:127:ca0a:a9ff:fec8:ec19
[10:26] <truepurple> Connecting to packages.medibuntu.org|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... "
[10:26] <truepurple> And it has been hanging there for awhile
[10:27] <duanedesign> truepurple: i am not sure exactly what it does. I just know those are the steps for installing the software necessary to play DVD's
[10:27] <duanedesign> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[10:27] <duanedesign> truepurple: looks like it is contacting the medibuntu repository and looking for some packages
[10:27] <duanedesign> medibuntu is a safe repository
[10:28] <duanedesign> truepurple: is this a laptop?
[10:28] <truepurple> duanedesign, No, it is a DIY desktop
[10:29] <truepurple> well the screen hasn't changed since then
[10:32] <duanedesign> truepurple: doany disks mount in the drive?
[10:33] <truepurple> I got a USB flash drive mounted right now
[10:33] <truepurple> Though one aspect of the USB flash drive is giving me a weird error
[10:35] <duanedesign> truepurple: do any CD's show up if you put them in your DVD drive?
[10:35] <truepurple> the data part works just fine
 when I click on U3 system, the software for the usb flash drive, it says "Unable to mount U3 System: DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.Failed: An operation is already pending". U3 system is shown as a drive btw, but it is part of the usb flash drive. I mean it is shown as a drive separate from the USB flash drive
[10:36] <truepurple> duanedesign, No, nothing happens, the drive spins up, then eventually down (not sure when it spins down since it is so quiet) a blue light on it shines for like 5-10 seconds, then turns off
[10:46] <duanedesign> truepurple: with a dvd in the drive do you get anything if you rin this command?   for d in cd dvd;do ls -l /dev/dvd|grep -i $d;done
[12:26] <Lorizean> hey guys, I'm having a problem since upgrading to oneiric - my wireless is extremely slow. I found several threads saying it's a bug with the new kernel and the n-channel and some ppl were able to work around it by disabling the n channel
[12:26] <Lorizean> so my question is, how do i disable my n-channel witht he rt2800pci driver (I have a Ralink rt3090)
[12:27] <Lorizean> the mod doesn't have a 11n_disable command
[12:29] <stlsaint> Lorizean: what thread you referring to?
[12:31] <Lorizean> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1860826&page=2
[12:31] <Lorizean> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859151
[12:32] <Lorizean> they refer to different drivers and network cards but i figured its a similar problem and I couldn't find something specific to my card
[12:34] <stlsaint> Lorizean: are you aware how to use pastebin?
[12:35] <Lorizean> yeah
[12:36] <stlsaint> Lorizean: would you mind providing the same info that the user posted
[12:36] <stlsaint> in a pastebin
[12:36] <Lorizean> sure, mom
[12:36] <stlsaint> mom?
[12:37] <Lorizean> one moment :)
[12:42] <Lorizean> slsaint, sorry, took a while, pastebin had a lot of traffic apparently: http://pastebin.com/eewuQR5x
[12:42] <Lorizean> stlsaint*
[12:47] <truepurple> duanedesign, are you still there?
[12:48] <stlsaint> Lorizean: and you are unable to use same command from op? what error do you get?
[12:48] <duanedesign> hello truepurple
[12:49] <truepurple> your command causes this "ls: cannot access /dev/dvd: No such file or directory
[12:49] <truepurple> ls: cannot access /dev/dvd: No such file or directory"
[12:50] <Lorizean> wait, I just did an apt-upgrade, it might be working now if they fixed the n-band bug
[12:50] <truepurple> duanedesign,
[12:51] <Lorizean> yeah, it seems it iws working fine now - sorry about wasting your time
[12:52] <Lorizean> now if somebody could tell me how to change the unity/dash/launcher hotkeys - when I use Super+Space to get gnome do, the dash also opens, kinda annoying
[12:53] <truepurple> Speaking of unity, is there a way to give unity, gnomes menu tree?
[12:53] <duanedesign> truepurple: running out of ideas on what to try next for your dvd player
[12:54] <truepurple> duanedesign, well what does that outcome mean?
[12:55] <duanedesign> truepurple: well i certainitly am no expert so their is still might be a solution
[12:55] <duanedesign> truepurple:  maybe google the make model name + ubuntu
[12:55] <truepurple> You had me run that command, with it giving that error of no such file or directory twice, what does that mean duanedesign?
[12:56] <truepurple> or indicate
[12:56] <duanedesign> if you look in /dev and can find cd or dvd then you might be able to use the mount command
[12:57] <truepurple> that is a hidden file? How do I see those again?
[12:57] <truepurple> Anyway duanedesign, that does not seem to answer my question
[13:00] <duanedesign> truepurple:  the message you received means that their is no file with that name in the directory
[13:01] <duanedesign> so the drive might show up under a different name
[13:01] <duanedesign> or might not at all
[13:02] <duanedesign> if you can find it you can manually mount it with these instructions:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/726278/
[13:03] <duanedesign> Linux has "device files" which represent your cd/dvd. You mount the device file to a mount point (directory) in order to read it.
[13:03] <duanedesign> To find out what device files represent your cd/dvd drives you could look in the /dev/ dir and look for the ones that have links to cd or dvd.
[13:16] <truepurple> duanedesign, where is this dev directory?
[13:18] <philipballew>  /dev
[13:19] <truepurple> Ok I found it, I look for a folder called CD or DVD in it?
[13:22] <truepurple> duanedesign, I don't see folders by the names CD or DVD in the main DEV directory. Could "disk" be it?
[13:24] <truepurple> duanedesign, or could "pktcddvd" be it?
[13:56] <duanedesign> truepurple: the second sounds possible
[13:57] <duanedesign> truepurple: let me see how you can verify
[13:57] <truepurple> duanedesign, there is only one file in there called "control"
[13:58] <truepurple> where as in disk, I do see something in a sub directory with the name of my DVD drive on it
[13:59] <duanedesign> truepurple: it would not be a folder but a symlink. So for example if I run the command -  ls -la /dev/dvd
[13:59] <duanedesign> I get something like -    dvd -> sr0
[13:59] <truepurple> I do not understand what your saying at all
[13:59] <duanedesign> where the file is pointing to the dvd drive
[14:00] <duanedesign> if you run the command - ls -la /dev
[14:00] <truepurple> /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ASUS_DRW-24B1ST_a_ABD0CL416383
[14:01] <truepurple> And the beginning of that sounds like my DVD drive
[14:01] <truepurple> It is a asus anyway
[14:01] <duanedesign> truepurple: i think that is it
[14:03] <truepurple> duanedesign, OK, so how do I test if it is "it" and if it is "it" what do I do with that now exactly?
[14:03] <duanedesign> truepurple: run the command - ls -la /dev/disk/by-id
[14:03] <truepurple> total 0
[14:03] <truepurple> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 240 2011-11-02 00:30 .
[14:03] <truepurple> drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 120 2011-11-02 00:30 ..
[14:03] <truepurple> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   9 2011-11-02 00:30 ata-ASUS_DRW-24B1ST_a_ABD0CL416383 -> ../../sr0
[14:03] <truepurple> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   9 2011-11-02 00:30 ata-ST32000542AS_5XW1JM0Q -> ../../sda
[14:03] <truepurple> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  10 2011-11-02 00:30 ata-ST32000542AS_5XW1JM0Q-part1 -> ../../sda1
[14:03] <truepurple> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   9 2011-11-02 00:30 scsi-SATA_ST32000542AS_5XW1JM0Q -> ../../sda
[14:04] <truepurple> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  10 2011-11-02 00:30 scsi-SATA_ST32000542AS_5XW1JM0Q-part1 -> ../../sda1
[14:04] <truepurple> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   9 2011-11-02 00:30 usb-SanDisk_Cruzer_087761058B538D30-0:0 -> ../../sdb
[14:04] <truepurple> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  10 2011-11-02 00:30 usb-SanDisk_Cruzer_087761058B538D30-0:0-part1 -> ../../sdb1
[14:04] <truepurple> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   9 2011-11-02 00:34 usb-SanDisk_Cruzer_087761058B538D30-0:1 -> ../../sr1
[14:04] <truepurple> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   9 2011-11-02 00:30 wwn-0x5000c5002aac5ebd -> ../../sda
[14:04] <duanedesign> ok it is sr0
[14:04] <truepurple> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  10 2011-11-02 00:30 wwn-0x5000c5002aac5ebd-part1 -> ../../sda1
[14:04] <truepurple> duanedesign, is it possible that the flash drive and my DVD drive could be crashing somehow?
[14:04] <duanedesign> so  if you run the command   ls -la /dev
[14:04] <truepurple> I meant to say clashing
[14:04] <duanedesign> do you see sr0 anywhere
[14:05] <truepurple> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root           3 2011-11-02 00:30 cdrom1 -> sr0  lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root           3 2011-11-02 00:34 cdrom -> sr1
[14:05] <duanedesign> truepurple: something like - cdrom -> sr0
[14:05] <duanedesign> ok
[14:05] <duanedesign> that is it
[14:05] <duanedesign> now
[14:05] <truepurple> It also says for sr1 too
[14:06] <duanedesign> sr1 should be the usb disk
[14:07] <duanedesign> truepurple: now to mount it manually
[14:07] <duanedesign> http://paste.ubuntu.com/726337/
[14:07] <duanedesign> use thosse instructions
[14:07] <truepurple> It said cdrom for the sr1 though
[14:07] <duanedesign> truepurple: i do not know why that is
[14:08] <philinux> duanedesign: Still got no joy with ubuntu one. Lots of these. 2011-11-02 14:06:40,449 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Main - NOTE - ---- MARK (state: <State: 'QUEUE_MANAGER'  (queues IDLE  connection 'With User With Network')>; queue: 0; hash: 0) ----
[14:08] <duanedesign> philinux: queue is 0
[14:08] <duanedesign> means Ubuntu One sees no more files to sync
[14:08] <philinux> duanedesign: what does that mean?
[14:09] <duanedesign> philinux: Ubuntu One sees no ore files to upload
[14:09] <duanedesign> philinux: are you still thinking files need to be synced?
[14:09] <philinux> duanedesign: The one thats left is my evolution backup tar. It's not ticked its got the syncing icon
[14:10] <duanedesign> truepurple: if you can get the cdrom mounted manually using the instructions you can then add an entry to yur fstab file so it will mount manually
[14:10] <philinux> duanedesign: the log is full of those as above
[14:10] <duanedesign> philinux: try and touch the file
[14:10] <truepurple> duanedesign, ls /media/mycd did nothing but send me to the next prompt, and I was able to eject just fine
[14:10] <duanedesign> philinux: touch ~/Ubuntu\ One/backup.tar
[14:10] <duanedesign> or whatever
[14:11] <duanedesign> truepurple: hmm. I am sorry we have gone to the extent of my knowledge
[14:12] <philinux> duanedesign: got a pop up saying its being backep up but zero net activity
[14:12] <duanedesign> truepurple: know that you know the model and make maybe try googling:   ASUS_DRW-24B1ST  ubuntu
[14:13] <duanedesign> sure you might find someone else who has had issue
[14:13] <duanedesign> I'll brb. Have to go to meeting
[14:13] <truepurple> Well, I already knew the make and model, but ok
[14:13] <philinux> duanedesign: QUEUE_MANAGER'  (queues WORKING  connection 'With User With Network')>; queue: 1; hash: 0) ----
[14:16] <duanedesign> philinux: that is better :)
[14:17] <duanedesign> philinux: i guess better would be your file is synced ;)
[14:17] <truepurple> duanedesign, that didn't work
[14:52] <philinux> duanedesign: still no net activity at all
[15:36] <philinux> duanedesign: you still about?
[15:36] <s-fox> psst duanedesign , say no ;)
[15:36] <philinux> lol
[15:38] <philinux> s-fox: he's either sleeping or mia
[15:39] <duanedesign> hello philinux
[15:39] <philinux> duanedesign: I put a small file in UO folder and it synced but the tar file wont and its over 200mg any ideas
[15:40] <duanedesign> philinux: does this still return 1 - u1sdtool --waiting | wc -l
[15:41] <philinux> duanedesign: Yep
[15:41] <duanedesign> hmmm
[15:42] <philinux> duanedesign: it just popped up saying evo tar file complete but it hasnt really
[15:42] <duanedesign> i wonder if this returns anything    u1sdtool --current-transfers
[15:43] <duanedesign> philinux: ok can yo utry this
[15:43] <duanedesign> cat /home/duanedesign/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log | grep ValueError
[15:45] <duanedesign> philinux: i think you are going to get:   ValueError: I/O operation on closed file
[15:45] <philinux> ValueError: I/O operation on closed file twice
[15:45] <duanedesign> bug #872924
[15:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 872924 in ubuntuone-client "Resuming a failed upload crashes with ValueError: I/O operation on closed file" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872924
[15:46] <duanedesign> philinux: because of the server disconnects caused by the high traffic loads the last couple days this bug is being triggered
[15:46] <philinux> duanedesign: it will sync small text files though
[15:46] <duanedesign> philinux: right
[15:47] <duanedesign> philinux: it only happens to resumed uploads
[15:47] <philinux> duanedesign: so what do I do then
[15:47] <stlsaint> duanedesign: you get bdfhk email?
[15:47] <duanedesign> you have to be disconnected and reconnect while the transfer is happening
[15:49] <duanedesign> philinux: the 2 options are, 1. wait until the server loads go down and you can get a stable connection long enough to sync the file  2. wait until the bug is fixed. the fix is in trunk and should be released soon 3. (i know i said 2 options) try and upload using the uload file option on the website. (though I have a feeling this might not work)
[15:50] <philinux> duanedesign: Went to UO web and clicked upload file and it's doing it
[15:50] <duanedesign> philinux: it uses a different server(s) so that is an option
[15:50] <philinux> duanedesign: Yeah going great guns now
[15:51] <duanedesign> rather nasty bug. They are making a lot of noise trying to get the fix released ASAP
[15:51] <duanedesign> stlsaint: i probabaly did
[15:52] <stlsaint> duanedesign: clicompanion is being reviewed by DD
[15:52] <stlsaint> duanedesign: but we still need a release
[15:52] <philinux> duanedesign: do I leave the file in local UO folder too
[15:54] <duanedesign> philinux: at this point you should leave it in. If you take it out it might trigger a delete
[15:56] <stlsaint> duanedesign: pm good sir?
[16:01] <stlsaint> duanedesign: i think i found my answer but your guidance would still be great
[17:23] <bobweaver> hello there what causes a busybox to happen ? I know hat that is a wide statement but what is it and why do I keep on getting it after installing nvidia driver under jokey
[17:27] <stlsaint> bobweaver: possibly a bug
[17:27] <stlsaint> bobweaver: what distro you running?
[17:28] <bobweaver> 11.10 cd from ubuntu
[17:28] <bobweaver> real from ubuntu not me
[17:28] <bobweaver> I did not make the cd
[17:28] <stlsaint> bobweaver: how are you installing the driver and what driver is it? (specifically)
[17:29] <bobweaver> sure
[17:29] <bobweaver> nvida common
[17:29] <bobweaver> sorry about spelling I am bad at it
[17:29]  * bobweaver is mentel like that
[17:29] <bobweaver> \with speeling
[17:32] <bobweaver>  lspci -nn | grep VGA
[17:32] <bobweaver> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200M G] [10de:0845] (rev a2)
[17:35] <bobweaver> I guess one of my questions is is it better to install the driver from nvidia site or from jockey ? this is a nice computer but I can not make any videos of my desktop. gtk record my desk top is the worst  cuts off half the screen xvidcap works allright but I only get 60 to 70% of the video . How to make it so I can get full video recording ?  I have also shut down compiz to see if that helps nope.
[17:36] <stlsaint> jockey should work just fine
[17:36] <bobweaver> how to get higher end videos ?
[17:36] <bobweaver> I am on other partition right now
[17:36] <bobweaver> I have 3 that are ubuntu
[17:36] <bobweaver> all 11.10
[17:37] <stlsaint> so your concern is the video editing?  are you actually able to use your screen and video fine though?
[17:37] <bobweaver> some from upgrades and two I installed myself
[17:37] <bobweaver> only on 2 out of the 3 partitions
[17:37] <bobweaver> the 3rd partition sda 4 wont boot stright to busybox
[17:38] <bobweaver> sda 1 I am on and all is well but can not record my desktop good
[17:38] <bobweaver> sda 7 is last ubuntu and mouse will not work on that one
[17:39] <bobweaver> sda 7 I installed from the cd from ubuntu last night
[17:40] <bobweaver> so sda 7 <ubuntu 11.10  live cd from ubuntu mouse will not work
[17:41] <bobweaver> sda 4 <-- I DL burned then installed worked great untill I activated the driver under jockey and now I get busybox
[17:41] <bobweaver> can not mount that one or chroot it
[19:44] <AbuMaia> I am having trouble with the Unity launcher bar not following compiz settings. When I force it with either compiz --replace or unity --replace, I get this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8725574/Screenshot%20at%202011-11-02%2013%3A00%3A54.png
[19:48] <nlsthzn> AbuMaia, hmmm... looks like the bar is there twice
[19:49] <holstein> AbuMaia: what are you trying to accomplish?
[19:49] <AbuMaia> nlsthzn: Exactly.
[19:49] <holstein> maybe we can get there some other way
[19:50] <AbuMaia> holstein: I'm trying to get Unity to follow the settings set in Compiz
[19:50] <holstein> sure, care to elaborate?
[19:50] <holstein> what particular settings seem to break it
[19:50] <holstein> ?
[19:50] <holstein> why are you needing to use --replace ?
[19:52] <nlsthzn> Unity and some settings used in ccsm doesn't seem to play nice I have seen
[19:52] <AbuMaia> When I reboot, the Wall doesn't work at all. The only way I have found to force the settings to work is to use --replace
[19:52] <holstein> yeah, messed with it for a minute, and saw that it wasnt going to play nice, and gave up
[19:52] <bobweaver> so get this I have been losing network and my phone for say 12hr gaps. I looked at everything on my end and it is not me .  I had
[19:52] <bobweaver> to share this with some one .
[19:53] <bobweaver> what sould I do ?
[19:53] <AbuMaia> bobweaver: or call them over and go out and dump water on it
[19:53] <bobweaver> lol
[19:53] <holstein> AbuMaia: i would be interested in knowing this... if you make another user account and login, is everying normal looking/acting?
[19:53] <bobweaver> it is not the one that is connected to the house somewhere along the way to the isp
[19:53] <bobweaver> I tried that :>)
[19:54] <bobweaver> with garden hose
[19:54] <holstein> bobweaver: ive been round and round with my ISP before
[19:54] <holstein> just keep calling
[19:54] <holstein> its a drag
[19:54] <bobweaver> thanks holstein
[19:54] <bobweaver> and AbuMaia
[19:55] <bobweaver> good news is they keep lowering my bill
[19:55] <holstein> not bad!
[19:55] <bobweaver> last one was $12.,00 usd
[19:56] <nlsthzn> lower bill with lower up-time ... wins some loose some
[19:56] <bobweaver> so I guess the saying when it rains it pours has a who;e new meaning :>)
[19:56] <stlsaint> bdfhjk: please pm me your full name and email address i gotta edit the copyright to reflect
[19:56] <stlsaint> opps
[19:57] <bobweaver> copyleft copyleft :>)
[20:01] <bobweaver> are there still "get your money back from windows day "  or whatever it is called if so what is the date for that ?
[20:01] <holstein> i dont think so
[20:02] <angela-android> me neither
[21:37] <AbuMaia> holstein: Figured it out finally. I had been accidentally logging in under Ubuntu2D instead of 3D. Completely my mistake. I apologise for any annoyance.
[21:37] <holstein> AbuMaia: nah... glad you figured it out
[21:37] <holstein> i was pulling my hair out last week trying to start compiz using the vesa driver ;)
[21:38] <AbuMaia> Interesting bug, though, being able to launch unity 3d on top of 2d
[21:43] <eyadof> hi all
[21:44] <eyadof> i have a question : when i press shutdown from the menu my ubuntu make a logout instead
[21:45] <eyadof> someone know why ? and how to fix it ?
[21:45] <holstein> eyadof: there should be a setting for that in the power settings
[21:45] <holstein> 11.10?
[21:45] <holstein> unity?
[21:45] <eyadof> yes
[21:45] <eyadof> where can i find this settings ?
[21:45] <holstein> not sure where things are in there, but you should see something when you type the word 'power'
[21:46] <eyadof> no thing just 'power off'
[21:46] <eyadof> i try that before
[21:47] <eyadof> i don't find any thing .
[21:47] <holstein> eyadof: ?
[21:47] <holstein> try whay? finding the power settings?
[21:47] <eyadof> yes
[21:47] <holstein> you dont see power settings?
[21:48] <eyadof> there is a power setting for suspend and hibernate only
[21:48] <holstein> im going to have to install something with unity so i can answer these questions
[21:48] <holstein> eyadof: OH
[21:48] <holstein> so you see the power settings
[21:48] <holstein> and when you go there, you see
[21:48] <holstein> 'when i press the power button, do this..'
[21:48] <holstein> and the options are?
[21:48] <eyadof> that isn't here
[21:48] <holstein> how about ask?
[21:48] <holstein> i use ask
[21:49] <holstein> i like 'ask'
[21:49] <holstein> i want it to ask me
[21:49] <holstein> is that there?
[21:49] <holstein> eyadof: what isnt where
[21:49] <holstein> take a screen shot
[21:49] <holstein> or elaborat
[21:49] <holstein> e
[21:50] <eyadof> i think you don't understand what i mean by shutdown
[21:50] <holstein> yup
[21:50] <holstein> thats what im saing
[21:50] <holstein> saying*
[21:50] <eyadof> i don't mean the power button on my laptop
[21:50] <holstein> shutdown, means, shutdown
[21:50] <holstein> like the power shuts down
[21:50] <holstein> what do you mean?
[21:50] <holstein> eyadof: OH
[21:50] <eyadof> i mean shutdown from the menu
[21:50] <holstein> i think i get it
[21:51] <holstein> i dont know where those are in unity
[21:51] <holstein> i would just add some widgets and see what does what
[21:51] <eyadof> what is this widget ?
[21:51] <holstein> maybe http://askubuntu.com/questions/58941/shutdown-menu-missing-from-unity-indicators
[21:52] <holstein> or http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/easyshutdown-and-complexshutdown-two-small-apps-for-one-job/
[21:52] <holstein> eyadof: i dont know
[21:52] <holstein> i just remember adding them all in gnome
[21:52] <holstein> and seeing what did what
[21:53] <holstein> eyadof: also, wait around and a unity user might come along :)
[21:53] <eyadof> ok
[21:53] <eyadof> i reinstall the indicator-session
[21:53] <eyadof> i will try this
[22:33] <bobweaver> hello there everybody ! I am having some real big troubles with recording mydesktop. it looks horrible after I record using gtk record my desktop   Xvidcap only captures about 60 to 70% so that will also not work. ny suggestions ?     https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+question/161322   <-- old and did not help      http://paste.ubuntu.com/726780/     <--- more info   here is a video to get  a look at what I am talkin
[22:33] <bobweaver> g about  http://www.mediafire.com/?45r9oyaxk148xpj
[22:36] <holstein> bobweaver: everyone should have a dropbox :)
[22:36] <holstein> http://holstein.shacknet.nu/dropbox/
[22:37] <holstein> bobweaver: do me a favor
[22:37] <holstein> logout and try it in unity2d
[22:37] <fosburg> where do I get a scanner ICM profile?  I have a UMAX  PowerLook  scanner  operating off XSane Image scanner application.
[22:38] <holstein> fosburg: is that a 'driver' ?
[22:38] <holstein> its not 'just working?'
[22:39] <bobweaver> holstein,  thabnks
[22:39] <fosburg> I think it is a scanner driver?
[22:40] <holstein> fosburg: have you tried just using it?
[22:41] <fosburg> Yes, everything works the preview looks great but the scan is bad.
[22:42] <holstein> elaborate...
[22:42] <holstein> mess with the settings, and file type too
[22:42] <holstein> for the preview to look good, it makes me think its something in the rendering, or saving process
[22:43] <fosburg> I get an error message that says 'could not open scanner ICM profile'
[22:43] <bobweaver> holstein,  no help
[22:43] <bobweaver> with unity 2d
[22:43] <bobweaver> but
[22:43] <bobweaver> ffmpeg is working good
[22:43] <bobweaver> not good quality thou
[22:43] <bobweaver> ffmpeg -f x11grab -s $(xwininfo -root | awk '/geometry/ {print $2}') -i :0.0 -b 800k -y output.avi
[22:44] <fosburg> Preference  setup--looking for ICM profile
[22:45] <bobweaver> now to see if I can get some tutorials rolling :>)
[22:45] <bobweaver> holstein, thanks again :>)
[22:48] <holstein> bobweaver: interesting...
[22:50] <bobweaver> but now ..... no mic :>(
[22:50] <holstein> fosburg: is there a box... enable color management?
[22:50] <holstein> can you 'uncheck' that box and try again?
[22:50] <holstein> bobweaver: :/
[22:50] <holstein> you can edit something together easy enough
[22:50] <holstein> record my desktop has always just worked for me
[22:50] <holstein> that is a drag
[22:50] <holstein> its easy
[22:51] <holstein> hmmm
[22:51] <fosburg> no--it's all software
[22:52] <holstein> yeah, in the software
[22:52] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1078287.html
[22:52] <holstein> ^^ im refrencing that
[22:52] <holstein> which is probably an earlier version of xsane or whatever it is now
[22:54] <fosburg> In the XSane setup there is a box with a browse button asking for a '.icm'
[22:58] <holstein> fosburg: where are you?
[22:58] <holstein> near north carolina?
[22:58] <holstein> i got a scanner... you can have it ;)
[22:58] <holstein> i see them all the time for like 5 bucks
[22:58] <fosburg> I'm in Pennsylvania
[22:58] <holstein> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=5945&start=40 seems relavant
[22:59] <fosburg> near Harrisburg
[23:00] <holstein> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1595663&group_id=2252&atid=102252
[23:00] <fosburg> This UMAX is old but a good quality scanner
[23:00] <ubot2> holstein: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Sourceforge instance at 0xa3237ac> bug 1595663 not found
[23:00] <fosburg> used it with a MAC for graphic design
[23:01] <holstein> sure... its just that sometimes its easier just to move on
[23:01] <holstein> hardware wise
[23:01] <holstein> i mean, im not saying it wont work
[23:01] <holstein> im just saying, id have to be in front of it
[23:01] <holstein> and its not going to be easy
[23:02] <holstein> and i literally have to move scanners out of the way around here to clear a path to the door ;)
[23:03] <fosburg> I'm sure moving on is a good thing
[23:03] <holstein> eh, if you like it, you like it.. and it *should* work
[23:03] <holstein> but sometimes its just easier to let go
[23:04] <fosburg> I wish I know more about computers--thats my problem
[23:04] <holstein> ive gotten rid of all my problematic hardware finally :)
[23:04] <holstein> all my non-linux friendly hardware
[23:04] <holstein> fosburg: this is a great place to start learning
[23:06] <fosburg> I have come far--but in away it's nicer to have a MAC and not have to do anything except use the applications
[23:06] <fosburg> being retired--I can't afford that any more
[23:07] <holstein> eh, i prefer linux personally
[23:07] <holstein> i mean, if you had linux certified hardware, and a small pool of linux friendly software, you wouldnt have to do anything except use it
[23:08] <fosburg> I'm learning to appreciate the OS
[23:10] <fosburg> I still enjoy graphic art and things do have to be done different in linux
[23:11] <holstein> sure
[23:12] <holstein> and when i get on OSX, things need to be done differently there
[23:13] <fosburg> what's your profession?
[23:13] <holstein> fosburg: i play bass
[23:14] <holstein> http://holstein.bandcamp.com/
[23:14] <holstein> http://www.mikeholstein.info/2011/07/living-solo-bass-made-with-ubuntu.html
[23:14] <holstein> and you?
[23:15] <fosburg> graphic designer--retired
[23:16] <holstein> fosburg: if you are instested in helping out a bit, testing and whatever
[23:16] <holstein> join us over at #ubuntustudio-devel
[23:17] <holstein> we have *no* graphics folks
[23:17] <holstein> really just being present and testing and stating opinions from that perspective would help a lot
[23:18] <fosburg> Let me give that some thought
[23:36] <holstein> bobweaver: ping
[23:37] <holstein> the guy i asked about gtk-recordmydesktop just responded
[23:37] <bobweaver> oh hey
[23:37] <holstein> he used ffmeg, and ardour fo the audi
[23:37] <holstein> o
[23:37] <holstein> you could use audacity
[23:37] <holstein> or qarecord
[23:55] <bobweaver> holstein,  thanks !!!
[23:55] <bobweaver> I will try now
[23:57] <holstein> my friend just edited them together later


[17:12] <threads9000_> Hello, I'd like to request a Stable Release Update for Ubuntu 16.04 regarding the following issue:
[17:12] <threads9000_> https://wiki.strongswan.org/issues/2126
[17:12] <threads9000_> https://wiki.strongswan.org/projects/strongswan/wiki/AppleClients#IKEv2-on-iOS-9-and-iOS-10
[17:12] <threads9000_> https://github.com/trailofbits/algo/issues/430
[17:13] <threads9000_> tl;dr strongSwan 5.3.5 has a serious bug with all iOS and macOS clients on IPSEC VPNs. The issue can be fixed by upgrading to strongSwan 5.5.1 which is available on Ubuntu 17.04.
[17:14] <bdmurray> threads9000_: Have you see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates? It documents the process / criteria.
[17:18] <threads9000_> Yes, the issue is fixed in the current release (17.04 / 5.5.1). I have tested the fix and it works (see trailofbits/algo for an easy method to test).
[17:20] <threads9000_> I am not aware of any regressions based on an upgrade of strongswan 5.3.5 to 5.5.1. I'm even able to use the exact same ipsec.conf file without modification.
[17:20] <threads9000_> I'm here to ask the Ubuntu bug control team to nominate this package for an SRU.
[17:25] <teward> we don't nominate bugs for SRU necessarily; we can put the bug task to a given release, but the SRU nomination process isn't necessarily nomination by us.
[17:25] <teward> (us being bug control)
[17:29] <threads9000_> I filed a bug for this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/strongswan/+bug/1687711
[17:29] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1687711 in strongswan (Ubuntu) "strongSwan 5.3.5 has a known incompatibility with iOS/macOS 10+" [Undecided,New]
[17:32] <teward> have you tried backporting the software version to 16.04 and confirmed it works as expected?
[17:32] <teward> and by 'backporting' i mean built the software on Xenial, tested, confirmed it works, etc.
[17:33] <threads9000_> I maintain this open source project (https://github.com/trailofbits/algo) though I'm not a developer. Several of Algo's users have done that and it works for them. I haven't personally tried.
[17:52] <threads9000_> I'll poke a few people that I think can further test this with backported packages on 16.04 and ask them to add comments to the ticket.
[17:54] <threads9000_> What is the typical uptake rate for SRUs (SRUs pushed vs filed/requested), and how long does it typically take to issue one?
[17:58] <teward> "It Varies" is the answer to both questions, I believe.
[17:58] <threads9000_> There's a second packaging issue with Network Manager too... but I'll get to that later. Basically, Network Manager does not support the AES-GCM cipher suite for IKE connections because it was not packaged with strongswan's openssl plugin. Therefore, it is limited to AES-CBC, an unauthenticated cipher mode that has resulted a a number of interesting
[17:58] <threads9000_> cryptographic attacks over the last ~3 years or so.
[17:59] <threads9000_> Ok, well, beyond having someone add to that ticket and say "I built strongSwan 5.5.1 on Ubuntu 16.04 and it works fine, etc." what else is required to get this moving?