[08:14] <IdleOne> Sometimes you need to flex a little
[08:15] <jussi> IdleOne: stop sowing off your muscles... (flexing...)
[08:15] <DJones> That was as far as flexing was needed
[08:16] <jussi> :P
[08:16] <IdleOne> sometimes you just need to knock someone out
[08:16] <DJones> Don't think they were a troll, probably just somebody new to IRC and thought they could chat generally
[08:17] <IdleOne> one day ban, we'll see how they act tomorrow
[08:17] <DJones> I only removed, didn't ban
[08:19] <IdleOne> Good morning jussi
[08:19] <IdleOne> coffee ready?
[08:19] <DJones> Coffe & Ready salted Hula Hoops even...Breakfast
[08:23] <jussi> Im hungry, wheres my eggs!
[08:24] <IdleOne> in the coop
[08:26] <DJones> Aww, Dad just sent me a video of my dog meeting their new puppy for the first time, I want to go back and play with them
[08:37] <AlanBell> jussi: here is one -> http://hencam.libertus.co.uk/
[08:37] <jussi> haha
[08:37] <jussi> epic
[08:38] <AlanBell> forgot to collect it on my way out of the house this morning
[08:38]  * AlanBell now watches everyone play with the camera
[08:39] <AlanBell> looks like another egg in progress
[08:40] <IdleOne> lol
[08:41] <AlanBell> the live video link is also good if you have the bandwidth, http://hencam.libertus.co.uk/video up to 4 viewers at once on that
[08:42] <jussi> AlanBell: you need to have a "poke" button, so we can interact with them
[08:42] <IdleOne> Amazing how a video of some chickens can entertain me
[08:42] <jussi> and is that an ubuntu sever cd?
[08:43] <IdleOne> of course it is
[08:43] <Myrtti> ofcourse it is
[08:43] <jussi> did they get bored of hte kubuntu one?
[08:43] <AlanBell> jussi: there is a microphone and speaker in the camera, I just haven't got it to work yet, there is a windows activex control that does something with it
[08:43] <jussi> haha
[08:43] <jussi> cool
[08:43] <AlanBell> kubuntu stopped having pressed CDs, so they had to learn the CLI
[08:44] <Myrtti> I've got a travellog on Google+ if you're interested. I just had my packed breakfast sandwiches, including poached eggs. neener neener.
[08:46] <Myrtti> tea would be lovely but I don't have a flask
[09:48] <IdleOne> 378 nicks in -server == empty
[10:07] <ikonia> well considering he's not joined #ubuntu-server, or asked a quetion in #ubuntu-server, that seems a rather foolish assumption
[10:10] <DJones> Would I right in thinking that the EC2/AWS Ubuntu installations use none standard repo's so what would correct for a native install may not be correct for an EC2 instance anyway
[10:11] <ikonia> they are just an image with a tweaked kernel as I recall
[10:11] <ikonia> I've not pulled one apart for a while
[10:12] <DJones> Right, I wasn't sure how far from default they'd been modified
[13:09] <Pici> I can't follow #ubuntu today.
[13:11] <Pici> Just looking at it hurts my brain.
[13:39] <ikonia> TheSheep: hello
[13:55] <Pici> !howdy
[13:55] <ikonia> ha
[13:57] <Pici> !helloHowAreYouTodayIamFineThanksForAsking
[13:57] <ikonia> sorry I'm just a bot I don't understand !nonsense
[14:10] <genii> I'd be more involved in the coffee conversation but work is pretty busy
[14:53] <TheSheep> ikonia: hi
[14:56] <IdleOne> TheSheep: is there anything the ubuntu ops team can help you with?
[14:57] <Pici> TheSheep is an op.
[14:57] <IdleOne> oh
[14:57] <IdleOne> lol
[14:57] <IdleOne> identify!
[14:58] <IdleOne> Code in.
[14:58] <Tm_T> IdleOne: anything I can help you with? (;
[14:58] <Pici> My voice is my passport. Verify me.
[14:58] <IdleOne> Tm_T: yes
[14:59] <IdleOne> Could you please go to the store and get me some chocolate chip cookies?
[14:59] <Tm_T> IdleOne: no, but I can hand you one of the cookies we have here
[15:00] <IdleOne> I suppose that will have to do
[15:00] <Tm_T> butter or cinnamon?
[15:02] <IdleOne> butter
[15:03] <TheSheep> IdleOne: ah, sorry, I didn't notice I got disconnected
[15:04] <IdleOne> no worries
[15:04] <IdleOne> Sorry I didn't recognise you :(
[15:21] <genii> Chanserv is lagging today?
[15:22] <tsimpson> today and every other day of the week
[15:32] <genii> tsimpson: Yeah, was seeing the messages in #k monitor and wondering
[15:47] <Pricey> msg'ing Semen_Dickman
[15:47] <Pici> good luck
[16:13] <Pici> I see that was productive.
[16:14] <Pricey> I tried.
[17:55] <DJones> Pricey: They're a troll, don't waste time, all they've been interested in is trolling
[17:59] <k1l> semen-dickman, assmanlubeless, sachinisgreat etc did have an acutal ban in #u iirc
[17:59] <Pricey> DJones: I don't consider it wasted :)
[18:05] <DJones> They've spent months trolling #u they;ve never made any effort to resolve bans, just troll, ban, ignore, rejoin at some point in the future and continue trolling in exactly the same
[18:07] <LjL> "catalyze"
[18:08] <bazhang> "earn credits towards an abnormal psych degree"
[18:13] <Pici> "earn karma and spend on nothing"
[18:14] <bazhang> hehe
[18:15] <bazhang> so the lama says, 'there will be no money involved'
[18:29] <bazhang> ssshinception
[18:33]  * Pici shrugs
[18:33] <bazhang> plugins yes, replace ment for flash, nope
[18:33] <Pici> Also, that was a pretty civil rage quit.
[18:33] <bazhang> heh
[18:34] <bazhang> he was asking for the dollinho at the end there
[18:34] <Pici> What is that?
[18:34] <bazhang> not up on my portuguese, but I'd wager it's chicks
[19:21] <LjL> what? there's a language bazhang doesn't speak?!
[22:32] <cipherson> i got this message "Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail" from ubottu ....what is it?
[22:32] <k1l_> you triggered the bot with that "!!! this is so random"
[22:32] <cipherson> really! thats awesome!
[22:33] <cipherson> hmmm so ok to ignore?
[22:33] <k1l_> yep
[22:33] <cipherson> ok thanks :)
[22:33] <k1l_> np :)
[22:38] <Pici> awesome indeed
[22:39] <LjL> almost magical and mighty


[00:48] <bkerensa> topyli: Indeed... I have a free personal MediaTemple VPS and Linode VPS
[00:48] <bkerensa> :D
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <nigelb> Good morning dholbach!
[07:51] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:51]  * dholbach just saw the interview with Bilal
[07:59] <AlanBell> it is nice to be able to agree with the Americans that today is 11/11/11
[08:04] <nigelb> AlanBell: I disagree, its 11/11/11, not 11/11/11 ;)
[08:04] <nigelb> (if you see what I mean :D)
[08:43] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:48] <popey> Morning
[09:38] <topyli> AlanBell: https://twitter.com/#%21/laurenme0w/status/134682800426205184
[09:46]  * popey shakes fists at MM/DD/YYYY
[09:46] <AlanBell> it is all kinds of wrong
[10:43] <czajkowski> heh
[10:43] <czajkowski> however today we're ok
[10:43] <czajkowski> 11/11/11
[10:43] <czajkowski> nobody can be confused
[10:43] <AlanBell> never underestimate the ability of people to be confused
[10:46] <czajkowski> am having one of them days
[13:18] <AlanBell> akgraner: it has been pointed out that the DPL does not actually work at Canonical . . . https://blip.tv/ubuntu-developers/ubuntu-uds-p-orlando-interviews-stefano-zacchiroli-debian-project-leader-5726122
[13:36] <popey> hehe
[13:39] <popey> http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2011/11/10/blue-sky-white-sand-and-networkmanager-0-9-2/
[13:39] <popey> wonder who the 'half billion' comment could possibly be aimed at
[13:40] <AlanBell> not me :(
[14:58] <scott-work> good morning everyone
[14:58]  * scott-work hugs the channel
[14:59] <akgraner> jcastro_, thank you for your service - Happy Veterans Day!
[15:05] <akgraner> HOw did that video get titled wrong - working on getting that changed now....grrrr
[15:07] <akgraner> AlanBell, that's not the title I gave them - we're working on getting it fixed now
[15:08] <AlanBell> ok, thanks akgraner
[15:08] <akgraner> I don't create the title slides
[15:08] <AlanBell> yeah, I know
[15:08] <AlanBell> it was just a bit more politically sensitive than most typos!
[15:09] <akgraner> yeah yeah  - I know - stefano been given a heads up as well and the videos have been pulled until they can be fixed
[15:10] <jcastro_> no big deal
[15:10] <jcastro_> we'll just fix them and repost them
[15:10] <AlanBell> yup
[15:12] <AlanBell> how are things jcastro_?
[15:12] <jcastro_> good
[15:12] <jcastro_> going back to bed now
[15:12] <jcastro_> :)
[15:12]  * jcastro_ is way behind on sleep
[15:12] <dholbach> hum
[15:12] <dholbach> who admins the ubuntu facebook group apart from Jono?
[15:13] <popey> I think it's just jono
[15:13] <dholbach> I'm somewhat surprised to see https://www.facebook.com/notes/ubuntu/ubuntu-1204-development-update/10150360781481546
[15:13] <czajkowski> aye I do locooteams with jono and paultag
[15:14] <dholbach> I think it's great to have that kind of exposure, but I wonder if it's the right place for this
[15:14] <dholbach> one of the comments was "we can download 12.04 already?"
[15:14] <czajkowski> dholbach: it made work feed also of your blog on OMG and planet
[15:14] <popey> people are idiots
[15:14] <popey> more so on youtube/facebook
[15:15] <dholbach> popey, well, still it'd be good to make communications very clear, so it's harder to make wrong assumptions :)
[15:15] <czajkowski> trying to learning about Type Inference so I can write an article within 20 mins is kinda blowing my head
[15:15] <dholbach> czajkowski, I put it on OMG and planet (through fridge) myself
[15:15] <popey> dholbach: its a giant wall of text
[15:15] <czajkowski> dholbach: ahh ok
[15:15] <popey> people on facebook don't read walls of text
[15:15] <czajkowski> dholbach: tis an interesting read
[15:15] <popey> they scroll to the bottom and smash their keyboard
[15:15] <jcastro_> heh
[15:16] <dholbach> czajkowski, gracias :)
[15:16] <jcastro_> turn off comments perhaps?
[15:16] <dholbach> I love http://xkcd.com/202/
[15:16] <popey> i dont see why we should turn off comments
[15:20] <scott-work> jcastro: you were in the miliatary?  i'm guessing army
[15:20]  * scott-work was in the marine corps
[15:21] <jcastro> ya
[15:21] <jcastro> but that was a long time ago
[15:21] <jcastro> I am more proud of the day off tbh. :)
[15:21] <scott-work> it changes a person, did for me at least
[15:21] <scott-work> in a good way too i should add ;)
[15:21] <maco> when did Armistice Day turn into a day about people with guns instead of a day celebrating an *end* to war and a time of *peace*?
[15:21] <maco> (ie, this "Veterans Day" anomaly)
[15:22] <maco> (seeing amber and jorge in backscroll)
[15:24] <maco> jcastro: day off?
[15:24]  * maco looks around cubicles...
[15:24] <maco> this isnt a real holiday. there's still work!
[15:28] <popey> maco: 1954
[15:29] <popey> It's still Armistice Day in the UK (and other commonwealth type territories), it's Veterans Day in the US
[15:30] <jcastro> dang so I got the new Planet of the Apes
[15:30] <jcastro> and I was going to watch it today
[15:30] <akgraner> popey, once the corrected video goes up on blip can you or jcastro make sure the corrected one makes it to youtube or is that an automatic thing
[15:30] <jcastro> and yesterday my brother was like "whatever you don't don't bother with planet of the apes, it's horrible."
[15:30] <jcastro> akgraner: just upload the new one, it's automatic
[15:30] <akgraner> jcastro, the video guys are fixing the title slide now
[15:31] <Pendulum> jcastro: he couldn't have warned you before you bought it?
[15:31] <jcastro> well
[15:31] <jcastro> I own some pretty questionable movies
[15:31] <jcastro> like Highlander 2
[15:31] <akgraner> great - that's all I needed to know - it should be fixed in just a few
[15:39] <maco> popey: did the US break everything in 50s? the focus on peace, the pledge of allegiance (adding the "under god")...
[15:39]  * popey shrugs
[15:39] <popey> Given I am a) British, b) born in 1972, I can't really comment
[15:40] <popey> c) not an expert on american history ☺
[15:40] <AlanBell> d) only *look* like Elvis
[15:45] <Pendulum> jcastro: watch it anyway, but make plans to follow up with a movie you know you like if it turns out that you don't like Planet of the Apes?
[15:49] <technoviking> Highlander 2, you are dead to me.
[15:50] <technoviking> although the Rise of the Planet of the Apes is pretty good
[15:52] <jcastro> is rise the new one?
[15:52] <jcastro> that's the one I got
[15:52] <popey> IMDB 7.8/10
[15:52] <popey> thats pretty good
[15:52] <technoviking> yeah from this year yeah
[15:52] <popey> my threshold is ~7.1
[15:53] <technoviking> not the Markey Mark pieace of crap from 2002
[15:57] <dholbach> popey, you can't remember the 50s? :-P
[15:59] <technoviking> my teenager ask me what is was like during World War I, #%!@#&!@& smart@#
[16:00] <dholbach> haha
[16:01] <akgraner> technoviking, hahaha sounds like my kids...
[16:02] <scott-work> jcastro: all the people i know who saw the new planet of the apes said it was incredibly awesomely good
[16:02] <jono> dpm, will be two mins
[16:02] <jcastro> I will let you know then
[16:03] <dholbach> bah, I hate it when I try to put pics into my dev updates to make it more obvious that it's not "put together somewhere", but that actual human beings contribute to it and get stupid comments about the pictures back
[16:03] <dholbach> jono, did we set a time for when we wanted to talk?
[16:03]  * jono hugs dholbach
[16:03] <jono> dholbach, we didnt
[16:03] <jono> can we do it after I chat to dpm
[16:03] <jono> in 30 mins or so?
[16:03] <dholbach> my standard reply from now on will be "it's somebody who put a lot of work into Ubuntu" and everybody can conclude the sentence with "and you didn't"
[16:03] <dholbach> sure
[16:04] <jono> thanks dholbach
[16:04] <dholbach> was just asking because I have a friend visiting me later on and stay over the WE - but 30m is totally fine
[16:04] <jcastro> dholbach: haters be hatin
[16:05] <pleia2> yay broder \o/
[16:05] <dholbach> ok, the comment was removed from OMG - not from their FB page, but from the post - glad it worked ;-)
[16:05] <jcastro> dholbach: here is my "covers all the bases" video reply to when someone is mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI
[16:05] <jcastro> just use that
[16:06] <dholbach> jcastro, sure -  I just want to make sure the rest who has to read it knows how stupid that comment was :)
[16:06] <dholbach> haha, great video
[16:06] <jono> dpm, all set?
[16:06] <dpm> jono, yep!
[16:06] <jono> dpm, lets do skype
[16:07] <jono> I am not at my desk right now
[16:07] <jono> Friday's are about working from the couch :-)
[16:07] <dholbach> jcastro, they even made remixes of it
[16:07] <jcastro> yes
[16:07] <jcastro> the whole thing is brilliant
[16:07] <dholbach> nuts
[16:07] <dpm> jono, can we try mumble? dholbach and I tried skype earlier on and did not work due to a problem on my end (I haven't been able to fix it)
[16:08] <dholbach> dpm, jcastro's skype is broken too
[16:08] <dpm> dholbach, what? jcastro broke my skype!!!??
[16:08] <jono> dpm, mumble doesnt work well for me for some reason
[16:08] <jono> lets do G+ but I just wont have videpo
[16:08] <dholbach> dpm, I think that's almost what he said
[16:08] <dpm> jono, ok, let's do that
[16:08] <jono> thanks dpm
[16:11] <dpm> jcastro, so what's up with your skype? On mine I can receive sound, but they don't hear me on the other end. Is that the same for you?
[16:11] <jono> dpm, ahhh cam is working
[16:12] <jono> but laptop cam
[16:14] <akgraner> correct interview with Zach will go up on Monday
[16:15] <akgraner> but all the rest are up now :-)
[16:18] <dholbach> akgraner, I linked to the lot of them today
[16:18] <dholbach> including Bilal's (done by the Novacut people)
[16:19] <akgraner> dholbach, thanks!  :-)
[16:20] <popey> aaaargh
[16:20] <popey> something on my computer is making a regular clicking noise
[16:21] <popey> mute and it goes away
[16:23] <dholbach> popey, try asking diwic
[16:23] <popey> bah!
[16:23] <popey> it was an advert in chrome
[16:23] <dholbach> haha
[16:23] <popey> underneath everything on another desktop
[16:23] <popey> so annoying
[16:23] <dholbach> I wonder how many bug reports we got about it already :-P
[16:24] <popey> :D
[16:24] <dholbach> "so I followed a tutorial to uninstall pulseaudio... the clicking is still there..."
[16:25] <popey> ☺
[16:31] <akgraner> dholbach, I'd say this uds was the best one yet for video interviews  - I know I did 22 of them  - I need to see how many Jason and Tara ended up with.  I think the format is now established now if we can just get all the people to show up for them life would be grand...:-)
[16:31]  * dholbach whistles innocently
[16:32]  * dholbach starts looking very busy with something else
[16:32] <akgraner> hehe :-P
[16:32] <akgraner> yeah jcastro skated on his too...
[16:32] <dholbach> popey, https://plus.google.com/114852031032123777881/posts/LcShtSkvyV8
[16:33] <akgraner> but he sent Marco so it was like having jorge there...
[16:42] <scott-work> akgraner:  i have some big plans for ubuntu studio ,maybe you should interview me at the next uds, i'll bring charts ;)
[16:43] <scott-work> akgraner: did you see the picture of my new hair?
[16:44] <pleia2> scott-work: I hardly recognise you!
[16:44] <scott-work> lol, i know
[16:45] <scott-work> my wife keeps looking at me funny...her eyes kinda funny and she keeps holding me arm a lot now
[16:45] <scott-work> something about the man she married instead of a lumberjack :P
[16:45] <pleia2> lol
[16:47] <akgraner> scott-work, yep - and I'd love to interview you...it's always a pleasure to talk to you
[16:49]  * scott-work blushes
[16:50] <scott-work> but seriously, i'm working on a two year plan for ubuntu studio, i'm pretty pumped about lining out a set of goals and a comprehensive direction
[16:51] <scott-work> it's funny that when you articulate the problem and properly define the goals how many of the smaller questions already have answers
[16:51]  * nigelb hugs jussi
[16:51] <nigelb> jussi: tintin was *AWESOME* :)
[16:51] <nigelb> Now my favorite Book -> Movie.
[16:54] <akgraner> scott-work, proper articulation is the key to many things I've found out over the years (sometimes the hard way) :-)  I can't wait to see how it turns out - let me know if I can help you out somehow - not sure how but if you think of anything just let me know...
[17:09] <jono> dholbach, all set?
[17:09] <dholbach> jono, yes - skype?
[17:09] <jono> dholbach, lets do G+
[17:09] <dholbach> ok
[17:09] <jono> although you get to see me in a robe
[17:10] <jono> or what I prefer to refer to as a smoking jacket
[17:10] <dholbach> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[17:10] <nigelb> Oh dear.
[17:10] <dholbach> nigelb, I told you this job was tough
[17:10] <dholbach> :-P
[17:10] <nigelb> dholbach: Now I know how tough.
[17:10] <nigelb> :P
[17:10] <jono> haha
[17:14] <mhall119> hmmm....
[17:42] <dholbach> alright my friends
[17:42] <dholbach> have a great evening
[17:42] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[17:42] <dholbach> errr
[17:42] <dholbach> Monday :)
[17:43] <mhall119> night dholbach
[17:43] <dholbach> bye mhall119
[18:38] <jono> mhall119, arond?
[18:38] <jono> mhall119, around?
[18:41] <mhall119> jono: yup
[18:42] <jono> mhall119, timr for a quick call?
[18:42] <mhall119> sure
[18:42] <jono> I am conscious not to eat into your day off
[18:42] <mhall119> I've actually been working today
[18:42] <jono> skype work?
[18:42] <mhall119> yeah, logging in
[18:42] <jono> cool
[18:43] <jono> mhall119, call me up when you are set
[18:43] <mhall119> skype is misbehaving, let me try again
[18:44] <jono> np
[18:44] <pleia2> are there SVGs available of the new pangolin logo? (I'm not sure where to properly ask this)
[18:44] <pleia2> have a loco member who is putting together a presentation and wants the scalable version
[18:55] <cjohnston> howdy all
[18:56] <cjohnston> pleia2: #ubuntu-design
[18:57] <cjohnston> dont know if there is anyone in there yet who can answer it..
[18:57] <pleia2> hah, yeah, mostly the same people as here :)
[18:58] <cjohnston> i know.. we are working on getting design team members there though


[03:31] <th3nux3r> hello
[03:34] <th3nux3r> now, i am develop java in ubuntu, but i am only have 1 GB memory, my lappie is too late. Do you Have any solution for this?
[08:52] <gr1ff1n> hi there
[08:53] <gr1ff1n> does anyone knows if it is possible to create a Jtree using an array 3D (array of array f array) ??


[12:04] <ogra> with only the locking functionallity
[12:04] <Burgwork> ogra, not really
[12:04] <ogra> but ?
[12:04] <Burgwork> it does the lockdown stuff that sabayon can  do, but manually
[12:04] <Burgwork> such as editing gconf keys, mostly
[12:05] <ogra> yes
[12:05] <ogra> thats what i said above
[12:05] <penguin_roar> does it write into the sabayon profiles too?
[12:05] <Burgwork> penguin_roar, yes
[12:05] <ogra> nope
[12:05] <ogra> yes ?
[12:05] <ogra> since when ?
[12:05] <Burgwork> in newer versions of sabayon
[12:06] <penguin_roar> i installed the latest so it should work for me i suppose
[12:06] <ogra> ah
[12:06] <ogra> i didnt try the latest
[12:06] <penguin_roar> Burgwork, from CVS or the source package kind of latest?
[12:06] <Burgwork> might only be cvs head
[12:07] <penguin_roar> oki, ill setup a testbed then, dont want to rock the boat :D
[12:07] <Burgwork> http://www.vuntz.net/journal/2005/11/14/340-positive-feedback
[12:08] <penguin_roar> care to translate, plz?
[12:09] <penguin_roar> argh, to fast
[12:09] <penguin_roar> ignore that
[12:09] <Burgwork> np
[12:09] <Burgwork> the sabayon <--> pessulus stuff is still very new, but I want to do some testing here at work too
[12:10] <penguin_roar> im in speed mode, installed Novell Open Enterprise, 100 thin clients and Edubuntu and im not wound down yet
[12:12] <penguin_roar> what is the "proper" way to setup settings in openoffice on ubuntu for all users? I just copied my own settings to /etc/skel but i suppose thats an ugly hack
[12:13] <Burgwork> penguin_roar, sadly I think that is the only way
[12:13] <penguin_roar> in k12ltsp there was a bunch of scripts that did those kind of things
[12:13] <penguin_roar> very handy, in /opt/ltsp they lied
[12:13] <Burgwork> the k12ltsp stuff might be easy to port
[12:15] <penguin_roar> any of theese days i need to get some time to chip in more
[12:15] <Burgwork> hah, you and me both
[12:16] <penguin_roar> im the only one who can Linux and my boss loves linux, guess who does 90% of all the work around here =)
[12:16] <penguin_roar> not that i can complain
[12:18] <Burgwork> I sell Linux, so I guess you could say I do 100%
[12:18] <penguin_roar> nice way to make a living
[12:19] <penguin_roar> do you sell services or whole packages?
[12:19] <Burgwork> both
[12:19] <Burgwork> together
[12:19] <ogra> he just sells the wrong system :)
[12:19] <penguin_roar> SUSE?
[12:19] <penguin_roar> heh
[12:19] <ogra> no edubuntu yet ;)
[12:20] <Burgwork> the business development side of hte company is looking at cool ltsp/multiseat stuff
[12:20] <penguin_roar> FC4 aint no dogfood, my former server was stable with 34 concurrent users on an AMD 3 Ghz
[12:21] <penguin_roar> it was unsinkable
[12:21] <penguin_roar> the only thing i miss is someone who do X through an ssh tunnel
[12:22] <penguin_roar> with ltsp that is'
[12:22] <penguin_roar> NX is nice but its not that easy to integrate with thin clients
[12:46] <penguin_roar> join #sweden
[12:46] <penguin_roar> sry, my bad
[08:50] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=668152&posted=1#post668152
[09:46] <JaneW> hi Burgundavia
[09:48] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW cheers
[10:03] <Burgundavia> salut JaneW
[10:03] <penguin_roar> hello there
[10:04] <penguin_roar> any of you know a way to see where your users surf with firefox, without a proxy?
[10:05] <JaneW> history?
[10:16] <penguin_roar> join /ltsp
[10:17] <penguin_roar> didnt get much sleep last night...
[10:30] <penguin_roar> anyone awake this hour?
[10:47] <jsgotangco> hear me roar
[02:57] <mhz> Anyone knows if iptables is broken or something in Breezy?
[02:58] <mhz> Anyone having problems with NAT?
[04:02] <juliux> hi mhz
[04:02] <mhz> hi juliux
[04:26] <tarbazli> hi all
[04:27] <tarbazli> i installed edubuntu an trying ltsp
[04:27] <ogra> ah, finally, hi
[04:27] <tarbazli> when i run ltspconfig
[04:27] <ogra> did you read the install notes ?
[04:27] <tarbazli> it said everything is ok
[04:27] <tarbazli> only xdmcp not installed
[04:27] <ogra> ltspconfig breaks everything
[04:27] <ogra> its a bug that its available
[04:27] <ogra> ubuntu ltsp doesnt use xdmcp ...
[04:28] <ogra> we use ssh instead
[04:28] <tarbazli> how can i setup ssh then
[04:28] <tarbazli> excuse me ogra
[04:29] <tarbazli> where is the install notes ?
[04:29] <tarbazli> i want to read it
[04:29] <ogra> its all set up after install, you only need to edit the dhcpd.conf
[04:29] <ogra> see the channel topic
[04:29] <tarbazli> i see
[04:29] <tarbazli> my network is <IP_ADDRESS> kind
[04:30] <ogra> i'd really suggest a reinstall if you didnt tweak to much yet
[04:30] <ogra> since ltspadmin will likely have broken your ltsp setup
[04:30] <tarbazli> ogra my english is poor
[04:31] <mhz> tarbazli: where are you from?
[04:31] <ogra> where are you from ?
[04:31] <ogra> heh
[04:31] <tarbazli> i understand "we musnt use ltspadmin and ltspconfig"
[04:31] <tarbazli> is that true ?
[04:31] <ogra> yes
[04:31] <tarbazli> i am from turkey
[04:31] <ogra> they are tools for the classic ltsp which we dont use
[04:31] <mhz> oops, I dont speak that lang.
[04:31] <ogra> edubuntu has a new ltsp ...
[04:31] <tarbazli> i see
[04:31] <mhz> tarbazli: Edubuntu does almost everything for you to NOT worry about LTSP
[04:31] <mhz> :)
[04:31] <ogra> using ssh, not xdmcp
[04:32] <ogra> for security
[04:32] <tarbazli> i wonder why edubuntu programmer add ltspadmin and ltspconfig inside in edubuntu
[04:32] <tarbazli> i understand
[04:32] <ogra> its a bug ...
[04:32] <ogra> i missed that the dependency was there ... sorry
[04:32] <tarbazli> may i delete it ?
[04:32] <ogra> its fixed in the next release
[04:33] <ogra> no
[04:33] <tarbazli> mhz : thanks
[04:33] <tarbazli> ok
[04:33] <ogra> you cant, the new ltsp accidently depends on it
[04:33] <ogra> just dont use them
[04:33] <tarbazli> ok i wont use them
[04:33] <tarbazli> i understand
[04:33] <ogra> :)
[04:34] <tarbazli> now i am trying open a client
[04:34] <tarbazli> a sec please
[04:34] <tarbazli> it says
[04:35] <tarbazli> "Me: <IP_ADDRESS>, dhcp: <IP_ADDRESS>, tftp: <IP_ADDRESS>, gateway: <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:35] <tarbazli> searching for server (dhcp)
[04:36] <tarbazli> tftp error 1
[04:36] <tarbazli> file not found
[04:36] <tarbazli> :(
[04:36] <ogra> yes its broken
[04:36] <ogra> like i said, its not easy to fix
[04:36] <tarbazli> what must i do now
[04:37] <tarbazli> if you tell
[04:37] <ogra> if you can do a reinstall and just follow the install notes
[04:37] <tarbazli> then i will do it
[04:37] <tarbazli> yes
[04:37] <ogra> only edit the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file after installing
[04:38] <tarbazli> ogra i understand you
[04:38] <tarbazli> but i am new on linux
[04:38] <tarbazli> i like it very much
[04:38] <tarbazli> and i want to learn it
[04:38] <ogra> great :)
[04:38] <tarbazli> if i work to fix that problem then i can learn lot of about linux
[04:39] <tarbazli> do you know a document about that problem
[04:39] <ogra> there is no document about that
[04:39] <tarbazli> then have yo0u got time ?
[04:40] <ogra> you would need to undo all changes that ltspadmin did to your system
[04:40] <ogra> i have no idea what it did ...
[04:40] <ogra> i dont work with the old ltsp ...
[04:41] <tarbazli> ogra: my client display says a problem image file
[04:41] <tarbazli> i think there is aproblem tftp setup
[04:42] <ogra> yes, as i said, it tries to use the old ltsp mixed with the new ltsp
[04:42] <ogra> you wont be able to upgrade, even if you get it working, it will break with the next security update
[04:43] <tarbazli> but i update and upgrade few minut ago
[04:45] <tarbazli> ogra: is tftp send file inside /var/lib/tftp/ltsp ?
[04:46] <ogra> the normal edubuntu ltsp does that, yes
[04:46] <ogra> classic ltsp does it somewhere else
[04:46] <tarbazli> mine is not normal ?
[04:47] <mhz> nope
[04:47] <ogra> if you run ltspadmin, you break it
[04:47] <tarbazli> i see
[04:47] <tarbazli> i will format and clean isntall
[04:47] <ogra> pieces are classic and pieces are new ltsp
[04:47] <mhz> tarbazli: Edubuntu is using a modified LTSP
[04:47] <mhz> (for better)
[04:47] <ogra> mhz, s/modified/new implemented/
[04:47] <mhz> oh, yes
[04:47] <tarbazli> i understand
[04:48] <hannes_> hello
[04:48] <mhz> hello
[04:48] <hannes_> W're currently renewing some computer classes in my school
[04:48] <hannes_> and thought about installing edubuntu
[04:49] <hannes_> (free-use classes)
[04:49] <hannes_> or not renewing
[04:49] <ogra> cool :)
[04:49] <hannes_> but have to do something as the current windows installations are becoming unstable
[04:50] <hannes_> and I'd have a few questions about it
[04:50] <hannes_> what is the easiest way to access local devices?
[04:50] <hannes_> or is there any?
[04:51] <ogra> nope, not yet
[04:51] <hannes_> such as fdd and cd-drives
[04:51] <hannes_> ok
[04:51] <ogra> ltsp.org has some different implementations you can use
[04:51] <ogra> but there is none included by default
[04:52] <ogra> we'll have it by default in the october release
[04:52] <hannes_> ah, ok
[04:54] <hannes_> is thee any user imput required if booting from PXE (at boot time)
[04:57] <ogra> what exactly do you mean with "user input" ?
[04:59] <hannes_> well, what is required, if it is ser as the primary booting method in BIOS?
[05:00] <hannes_> *set
[05:00] <ogra> nothing :)
[05:00] <ogra> you just boot
[05:00] <ogra> and get a login screen afterwards :)
[05:00] <hannes_> that sounds good enough
[05:02] <hannes_> what class should the server be when powering 8-10 clients
[05:02] <hannes_> and what should be concidered in the hardware-side on the server?
[05:04] <ogra> a rule of thumb is 100-128MB per client on the server and 256MB for the server itself
[05:05] <ogra> the CPU as fast as you can afford, it should be > 1Ghz
[05:05] <hannes_> yes
[05:05] <ogra> so for 10 clients 1-1.5G is necessary ...
[05:05] <hannes_> yes
[05:06] <ogra> the clients should be >300Mhz and have 64MB or more
[05:07] <hannes_> ogra: well, the clients are 466/566MHz celerons with 64/96/128MB of memory
[05:07] <ogra> great, sounds perfect
[05:09] <hannes_> and I'm thinking 100Mbps networking is enough
[05:09] <ogra> yup
[05:10] <ogra> just dont run 10M coax :)
[05:10] <hannes_> We're having a meeting about it next week, and I'll have to set up a test machine by then, If there is something I'll need to ask I'll come here
[05:11] <ogra> yup, great ...
[05:11] <ogra> see the install notes before installing ...
[05:11] <hannes_> yes
[05:12] <hannes_> and you can run X on the server, right?
[05:12] <hannes_> hmm
[05:12] <ogra> it starts by default ...
[05:12] <hannes_> ok
[05:12] <ogra> you can disable it if needed :)
[05:12] <hannes_> ok
[05:13] <hannes_> well, thanks for now
[05:13] <ogra> youre welcome :)
[05:23] <pc22> hi ogra
[05:23] <pc22> seen yagi?
[05:24] <ogra> not today yet, nope
[05:24] <jsgotangco> its probably 2am on his side at the moment
[05:24] <jsgotangco> :P
[05:24] <ogra> thats no reason at all :)
[05:25] <jsgotangco> heh you don't even need sleep
[05:25] <pc22> ah
[06:15] <jkeel> hi
[06:15] <jkeel> does anyone here use Kanagram in KDE?
[06:16] <jkeel> (I wrote it, and I'm just trying to figure out how much usage it's getting)
[06:18] <phos-phoros> not yet jkeel, but I'm sure my kids will enjoy it once I finish downloading/installing edubuntu on their pc
[06:19] <ogra_> jkeel, its included in the next edubuntu release by default
[06:19] <jkeel> ah, excellent
[06:19] <jkeel> ogra_: so it's not there yet, but will be
[06:20] <jkeel> ?
[06:20] <jkeel> (I couldn't find a package listing on edubuntu.org)
[06:20] <ogra_> err, its there
[06:20] <ogra_> wasnt it renames ?
[06:20] <ogra_> *renamed
[06:20] <jkeel> yeah, rewritten and renamed from KMessedWords to Kanagram
[06:21] <ogra_> we ship kmessedwords in the last release and kanagram in the next :)
[06:21] <jkeel> ah :)
[06:21] <ogra_> since kanagram didnt exist when we did our last release in october :)
[06:22] <jkeel> right :)
[06:23] <jkeel> ogra_: is there any educational software you'd like to see created. I have a project in mind, but I'm also looking around some for a new project
[06:23] <phos-phoros> could someone tell me what window manager this is https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez/EdubuntuRelatedPhotos?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=b2175_screen_wmaker.jpg
[06:24] <jkeel> looks like Window Maker
[06:24] <ogra_> jkeel, thats rather a question for the mailing list, i'm the guy who throws it all together, but not the best to decide about edu apps ... :)
[06:25] <ogra_> phos-phoros, thats the desktop of mhz_Vuelvo2hrs :)
[06:25] <ogra_> window maker ...
[06:25] <phos-phoros> thanks
[06:46] <jelkner> ogra_: ollie, is that you?
[06:47] <jelkner> i just flight tested flight-3
[06:47] <jelkner> the mother flew just fine
[06:48] <jelkner> but not the little birds
[06:54] <ogra_> jelkner, did you remember to add next-server ?
[06:55] <jelkner> no
[06:55] <jelkner> where?
[06:55] <ogra_> in the dhcpd config
[06:55] <jelkner> the only change i made was in /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf
[06:56] <jelkner> the clients get an address
[06:56] <ogra_> add next-server <serverip> to /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf
[06:56] <jelkner> but they hang on "Trying to load pxelinux.cfg...
[06:56] <steelballz> Can anyone help with a ltsp question
[06:57] <jelkner> ogra_: anywhere special?
[06:57] <ogra_> just somewhere where all the other stuff is, the order is your choice
[06:57] <jelkner> ok, let me try
[06:58] <ogra_> steelballz, whats the prob  ?
[06:59] <steelballz> I am getting an error when installing flight 3. the error is "Build LTSP chroot failed"
[07:00] <ogra> what architecture ?
[07:00] <steelballz> amd 64 dual core 3800+
[07:00] <ogra> hmm, thats shouldnt happem
[07:01] <ogra> thats directly in the installer ?
[07:01] <steelballz> yes
[07:02] <steelballz> I did run the cdrom error check and there is an error would you like me to get that error? The file seems unrelated though
[07:03] <ogra> oh, then your media is broken
[07:03] <ogra> at which speed did you write the disk ?
[07:05] <steelballz> That's what I thought but I downloaded it 2 more times including the daily version with the exact same results. I even burned a disk at 4x. I also tried 3 different discs. It appears to be an error in the image.
[07:05] <ogra> amd64 or i386 image ?
[07:05] <steelballz> The server and workstation installs work fine
[07:06] <steelballz> amd54
[07:06] <ogra> hmm, worked fine here during the tests
[07:07] <ogra> a broken file sounds very suspicious like a broken CD, are yoou sure your CDRom is ok ?
[07:08] <steelballz> Is there a way I can run the workstation install and then install the ltsp after? Can you remind me of the install command. also will it properly build the i386 directory for the ltsp clients?
[07:09] <steelballz> I have even tried 3 dirrent cd drives dor burning and reading
[07:09] <ogra> you must run it manually anyway on amd64, by default the host arch is used in the installer
[07:09] <ogra> so you need to run ltsp-build-client manually with --arch i386 post install
[07:10] <ogra> (unless you use amd64 clients :) )
[07:10] <steelballz> So this error I am getting is the attempt to build the i386 directory?
[07:10] <ogra> it doesnt attmpt to build i386 on amd64
[07:10] <ogra> it builds amd64
[07:11] <ogra> thats what i mean, you need to run sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 andway to build the i386 chroot
[07:11] <steelballz> gotcha
[07:12] <ogra> s/andway/anyway/
[07:13] <steelballz> Should I run the workstation install and the run apt get to obtain the ltsp server and then run the i386 command?
[07:14] <lucasvo> ogra: can you send me your ppc chroot?
[07:14] <lucasvo> ogra: I can't install edubuntu on it :P
[07:14] <lucasvo> it would be much easier
[07:14] <ogra> why ?
[07:15] <lucasvo> ogra: I have problems with my hd
[07:15] <ogra> dont you have a breezy liveCD ?
[07:15] <lucasvo> no
[07:15] <lucasvo> not ppc
[07:19] <steelballz> orga: I really wanted to get this working. Just so you know I checked all 3 seperate downloads and none of them match your md5sum. I really think your uploaded image is bad.
[07:20] <ogra> thats automatically uploaded by the build system ...
[07:20] <ogra> i downloaded the same image and tested it on 3 arches, are you sure you downloaded flight3 and not a dily image ?
[07:21] <steelballz> I tried both
[07:21] <steelballz> Hang on I will find the path i used
[07:23] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-3/
[07:23] <ogra> thats the path ...
[07:23] <steelballz> orga: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-3/dapper-install-amd64.iso
[07:23] <ogra> cab68293e0dc7da1035676bdfb61a72e
[07:24] <ogra> and thats the md5sum i get for the downloaded iso here
[07:24] <steelballz> I get a different md5sum. would you like the number?
[07:24] <ogra> nope
[07:25] <ogra> its enough to know that you get a different one
[07:25] <ogra> something is surely wrong ... do you have a proxy involved in the network connection  ?
[07:25] <steelballz> If you want I could download the 32bit version and see what happens
[07:26] <steelballz> No Iam dirrectly connected to the internet at home
[07:26] <steelballz> I am using a sofaware box (checkpoint) I am a firewall admin
[07:27] <ogra> hmm, very strange ...
[07:27] <ogra> but i definately get the right file here ...
[07:28] <steelballz> Should I try a torrent. I avoid thouse because they take so long
[07:28] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20060116/
[07:29] <ogra> that will disapper tonight if the next daily is built, its identical with flight3
[07:29] <ogra> try downloading this one
[07:30] <steelballz> Ok i will try it. Will you be around in another half hour? Thanks : )
[07:30] <ogra> might be ... i cant promise it :)
[07:31] <steelballz> Ok thanks
[07:35] <steelballz> Orga: I have been testing Centos 4.2 64 bit version with ltsp and FC4 version of ltsp and they both automatically creat the i386 directory because most if not all clients that would be connecting to a ltsp server would be 32 bit. Do you ever plan on setting it up this way?
[07:37] <ogra> zjaz depends how much change to the installer is involved, i havent looked at it yet
[07:37] <ogra> s/zjaz/that/
[07:37] <steelballz> Orga: I also get the same error with the 20060119
[07:37] <Burgwork> ogra, that was a very interesting typo
[07:38] <ogra> my right hand was shifted one key to the right :)
[07:39] <ogra> steelballz, the isos after the 20060116 one are all not tested
[07:40] <ogra> and the latest ones are overflown and this broken, 20060119 surely wont work
[07:40] <ogra> s/this/thus/
[07:40] <steelballz> ok
[07:55] <jelkner> ogra: FYI: the little birds fly ;-)
[07:56] <ogra> thats what i expected :)
[07:56] <jelkner> the first time i booted after adding next-server i only got to # prompt
[07:56] <jelkner> so i rebooted the client and it got to X
[07:56] <jelkner> looks great!
[07:57] <ogra> jelkner, ltspfs and ltspfsd were upgraded to the latest version yesterday, you can install them from universe and use the ltsp.org scripts with them for local device support
[07:57] <lucasvo> jelkner: I have exactlz the same problem
[07:57] <jelkner> wow!
[07:57] <jelkner> that is awesome news!
[07:57] <ogra> jelkner, oh, and please have a look at pida its far beyond idle but very similar imho
[07:57] <jelkner> ogra: thanks a 10**6!
[07:58] <jelkner> ok, i'll check out pida
[07:58] <jelkner> i've been using drpython
[07:58] <ogra> isnt that wxpython based ?
[07:58] <jelkner> but i've been corresponding with stani michaels about spe
[07:58] <jelkner> yes
[07:58] <jelkner> stani might be adding something to spe for me that would make me switch.
[07:59] <ogra> thats a blocking factor for main ... or at least a difficulty
[07:59] <jelkner> for now, yes?
[07:59] <jelkner> but eventually, all the cool python stuff is going that way
[07:59] <ogra> i have no crystal ball here :)
[07:59] <ogra> sure for now :)
[07:59] <jelkner> pythoncard is wxpython based too
[07:59] <jelkner> spe is as well
[07:59] <ogra> yup
[08:00] <jelkner> the future standard gui toolkit for python seems to be wxpython
[08:00] <jelkner> not everyone loves it
[08:00] <ogra> in ubuntu its pygtk ...
[08:00] <jelkner> hmm...
[08:01] <ogra> the problem might be security related, i dont know ... and its an ugly beast to maintain as a package ...
[08:01] <jelkner> which, wxpython or pygtk?
[08:01] <ogra> wxpython
[08:01] <jelkner> ok, i need to run to another school
[08:01] <jelkner> talk to you later...
[08:01] <ogra> ciao
[08:01] <jelkner> thanks again!
[08:10] <lucasvo> ogra: so, why did jelkner and me have to reboot the machine because of some strange root console?
[08:10] <ogra> huh ?
[08:10] <lucasvo> he said:
[08:10] <lucasvo> 19:56 < jelkner> the first time i booted after adding next-server i only got to # prompt
[08:11] <lucasvo> 19:56 < jelkner> so i rebooted the client and it got to X
[08:11] <ogra> ah, thats the nfs timeout
[08:11] <ogra> still needs a debugging session
[08:11] <lucasvo> good
[08:14] <hannes_> 2057.02 < ogra> jelkner, ltspfs and ltspfsd were upgraded to the latest version yesterday, you can install them from universe and use the ltsp.org scripts with them for local device support2057.02 < ogra> jelkner, ltspfs and ltspfsd were upgraded to the latest version yesterday, you can install them from universe and use the ltsp.org scripts with them for local device support
[08:14] <hannes_> oops
[08:14] <hannes_> sorry
[08:14] <ogra> heh
[08:15] <juliux> ogra, ping
[08:15] <ogra> lucasvo, did you reboot or restart the nfs server when you changed the next-server option? or did you only restart dhcpd ?
[08:15] <ogra> juliux, pong
[08:16] <mhz> ogra: how many canonical hired developers are there currently? any list I can see? (to know who is not hired by canonical)
[08:16] <juliux> ogra, do you have a short text about what edubuntu is?
[08:16] <Burgwork> mhz, on edubuntu, only ogra with matt did some work on ltsp early on
[08:16] <lucasvo> ogra: no, every time I start up, I have to do it 2 times
[08:17] <lucasvo> I get the strange console, ->ctrl+alt+del
[08:17] <ogra> mhz, i have no clue, the distro team might be 15 or 20 the launchpad team are some more iirc
[08:17] <mhz> Burgwork: ok, so that's 2. But in total (Ubuntu and official projects)?
[08:17] <lucasvo> :P
[08:17] <mhz> lucasvo: hehehe
[08:18] <Burgwork> mhz, 15 maybe. The dapper development report will give an exact number, as they are all required to be at those meeting
[08:18] <lucasvo> anybody know how to add images into illustrator?
[08:18] <ogra> Burgwork, there are also community contributors that have feature goals
[08:18] <ogra> so there are more people on that list
[08:18] <Burgwork> ogra, yes
[08:18] <mhz> Burgwork: any idea where I can get that report? wiki?
[08:19] <Burgwork> mhz, it goes to -announce each week, I think
[08:19] <ogra> its sent weekly to the -announce list
[08:19] <Burgwork> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-January/000056.html
[08:19] <mhz> Burgwork: oh, right, thx. (iirc log is more difficult because many ohters attend those meetings -even myself)
[08:20] <Burgwork> ogra, yes, but you can generally sort out the community from the canonical, as the community have one goal and the you lot have about 10 billion each
[08:20] <mhz> indeed :D
[08:21] <ogra> heh
[08:37] <steelballz> ogra: I tried what you said with 20060116 and I got the same error
[08:45] <steelballz> ogra: are you still there?
[08:48] <steelballz> Is anyone here?
[08:51] <mhz> steelballz: what's the problem?
[08:51] <vmarks> no
[08:52] <steelballz> I downloaded and ran the install per ogra's request and it still fails
[08:56] <ogra> steelballz, does the md5sum match now  ?
[08:57] <steelballz> Let me check
[08:59] <steelballz> yes
[08:59] <steelballz> I am trying the 32 bit right now
[09:09] <steelballz> ogra: the 32bit works fine. Interesting
[09:10] <ogra> what about the md5 ?
[09:10] <steelballz> For the 32 bit?
[09:10] <ogra> nope
[09:10] <ogra> for the one we compared before indeed
[09:11] <steelballz> I replied above. The 20060116 matched
[09:11] <ogra> ah, i misse dthe yes
[09:11] <ogra> but it still didnt install ?
[09:11] <steelballz> Is there a debug mode install I can run during install to pinpoint the problem?
[09:12] <ogra> could you look what fails on tty3 if you get the error ?
[09:12] <steelballz> No it failed in the same spot
[09:12] <steelballz> OK
[09:12] <ogra> tty3 will have the output from the ltsp builder
[09:12] <ogra> it should clearly state the error
[09:13] <steelballz> Give me one second I want to let the 32 bit complete. Thanks
[09:32] <steelballz> The 32 bit installed completely with no issues. i am running the 64 bit right now
[09:34] <steelballz> I have the error. There is a lot of info
[09:35] <steelballz> The main error is "E: Couldn't find the package xresprobe
[09:37] <steelballz> Ogra: are you still on?
[09:37] <ogra> hmm
[09:37] <ogra> xresprobe should be on the disk, i didnt get that error here
[09:38] <steelballz> Is there an easy way for me to check that it in on the disk?
[09:39] <ogra> yup, look in /pool/main/x
[09:39] <ogra> (on the cd)#
[09:39] <ogra> the testreport doesnt mention xresprobe for that build
[09:39] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20060116/report.html
[09:40] <steelballz> what do you mean?
[09:40] <ogra> there is a test report for the iso in the daily dir ...
[09:41] <ogra> it shows the packages that didnt work ...
[09:41] <ogra> (see the url)
[09:41] <ogra> xresprobe isnt listed there, it should be on the Cd ... and as i said, i didnt have that error here
[09:41] <steelballz> Pardon my stupidity but you are saying I am SOL?
[09:42] <ogra> but no reason to worry for you, since you dont want an amd64 chroot anyway
[09:42] <ogra> just jump over the ltsp step
[09:42] <ogra> finish the installation and set up ltsp manually for i386
[09:42] <ogra> its pretty easy ...
[09:44] <steelballz> cool. Just for reference do you have a link that I can use for guiding me throught the LTSP install?
[09:44] <ogra> the if you hit ok on the error in the forst tty you'll get to a menu, just go to the next step after the ltsp stuff and go on with the install
[09:44] <ogra> yup
[09:45] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientHowto
[09:45] <ogra> thats a very detailed instruction set
[09:45] <ogra> you'll only need the ltsp-build-client step ...
[09:45] <steelballz> Well you taught me to make sure I examine the testreport
[09:45] <steelballz> awesome thanks
[09:45] <ogra> tftp dhcp and ssh should be preconfigured
[09:46] <steelballz> what flavor ltsp are you at. 4.4.?
[09:46] <ogra> note that the --arch option isnt documented yet ...
[09:46] <ogra> ubuntu ltsp ;)
[09:46] <ogra> its a completely new implementation based on ssh
[09:46] <steelballz> lol
[09:47] <steelballz> will sound work on the clients?
[09:47] <ogra> ltsp.org just adopts it as the muecow concept for their next version
[09:47] <ogra> you need to set SOUND = Y in the lts.conf for the clients ...
[09:48] <ogra> (its neither documented yet)
[09:48] <steelballz> You have been very helpful thanks. Your support blows away Centos and FC
[09:48] <ogra> thanks :)
[09:49] <ogra> thanks for giving feedback ... testers giving good feedbackl are rare :)
[09:50] <ogra> btw, if you want to set up the i386 chroot a bit faster, mount the i386 cd
[09:51] <ogra> hmm
[09:51] <ogra> what dropped me ..
[09:51] <ogra> i was about to say:
[09:52] <ogra> sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --mirror file:///cdrom
[09:52] <ogra> then your chroot is built in less than 10 min
[09:52] <ogra> else it will build it from the net, which takes up to 45min, depending on yur web connection
[10:20] <steelballz> ogra: I ran the client build but it only installed amd64. How do i install the i386?
[10:21] <ogra_> sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --mirror file:///cdrom
[10:21] <ogra_> (mount the i386 cd before)
[10:21] <steelballz> oh yeah sorry
[10:57] <penguin_roar> Hey, found out howto set the default save format in OO to MS format.
[10:57] <penguin_roar> Boy do i feel stupid
[10:57] <penguin_roar> To set it just change /etc/openoffice/openoffice.conf and all users gets the settings
[10:58] <penguin_roar> If its needed im interested in helping out with the documentation, i stumble upon things like this all day =)
[11:02] <Burgwork> penguin_roar, talk to kjcole and jelkner
[11:04] <penguin_roar> ok, ill grab them when i see them, thanks
[11:06] <penguin_roar> heh, they sure set the goals high in the Edubuntu Cookbook, Downloading the internet. Pretty tedious task :D
[11:53] <mhz> penguin_roar: and you could start making those docs in the wiki, in the meantime :)


[01:54] <nhaines> k1l_: the kernels used on the retail phones don't support systemd.
[01:55] <k1l_> cool, they are hating systemd too :)
[04:34] <scientes> k1l_, no
[04:35] <scientes> android is old kernel because of non-free drivers make it less flexible
[04:36] <scientes> k1l_, and most the systemd-hate comes from those that never learned the limits of the old ways, and yet feel that their workflows are forced to change
[04:36] <scientes> systemd still solves a huge number of technical problems
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/libreoffice-document-viewer-2-0-app-officially-released-for-ubuntu-phones-497146.shtml
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> nice
[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[09:25] <abeato> Laney, hi, I took a look at the gtk-3 dependency for plugins-bad, blame shows that the dependency changed from gtk-2 to gtk-3, so my guess is that forcing gtk-3 >= 3.15 was because that was the version the debian maintainer saw in his system... compiling with gtk-3.14 does not produce any issues
[09:25] <Laney> hi abeato
[09:25] <Laney> please file upstream then
[09:26] <abeato> Laney, sure, but meanwhile we could try to get the package built for the overlay
[09:28] <Laney> I said I would do it on Monday, that is today, so I will
[09:29] <Laney> Give me the bug link and I will reference it in the patch
[09:30] <abeato> Laney, ack, I'll create the bug
[09:44] <abeato> Laney, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759113
[09:44] <Laney> thx
[09:44] <abeato> thank you
[09:45] <Laney> abeato: wait, you mean in the package?
[09:45] <Laney> that should be @ debian then
[09:45] <abeato> hm, reporting it following this https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-bugs/ch2.en.html ?
[09:46] <Laney> abeato: I can probably just fix that directly
[09:46] <Laney> I have commit to the package
[09:46] <Laney> thought you meant a dependency in configure.ac
[09:47] <abeato> ah, cool
[09:47] <abeato> no, just in control
[09:50]  * abeato cancelling bug in gstreamer
[09:51] <Laney> cool
[13:30] <KidFuryV> hey im having problems
[13:31] <KidFuryV> someone help
[15:05] <sturmflut> Has anybody in here worked on bug 1471913 ("battery status is inaccurate") lately? Because I took some time to look at the code and I think that either the kernel is at fault and it's just a software bug, or there is a workaround for a possible hardware failure, but in total it should be solvable somehow
[15:20] <Sleep_Walker> is 15.10 supported for ubuntu-sdk?
[15:22] <dobey> to run ubuntu-sdk on, or to target for your phone app?
[15:22] <Sleep_Walker> to run ubuntu-sdk
[15:22] <dobey> afaik it is, yes
[15:23] <dobey> it's built for 15.10 in the PPA
[15:23] <Sleep_Walker> I have this error http://sprunge.us/EjVE
[15:24] <Sleep_Walker> sorry, I'm not much experienced with Ubuntu (and I'd love to create ubuntu-sdk for my distribution during this week)
[15:24] <Sleep_Walker> it may be something trivial
[15:25] <Sleep_Walker> in that case someone should update PPA description in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[15:26] <dobey> #ubuntu-app-devel is probably a better place to ask about the sdk. but looks like you need to try to install the additional packages it's complaining about with apt-get, to find out what the complaints are really about
[15:28] <Sleep_Walker> I see
[15:28] <Sleep_Walker> thanks for both tips
[15:45] <mcphail> Sleep_Walker: that error is not normal
[15:58] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, just wondering, but the fact you can't share several images at the same time ... I guess it's a known issue/limitation? is that due to content-hub or bugs in the clients?
[16:04] <kenvandine> seb128, which clients?
[16:04] <kenvandine> the hub supports multiples
[16:05] <seb128> kenvandine, trying to send several images from gallery or camera to dekko or facebook
[16:06] <seb128> the share option is disabled in those when more than 1 image is selected
[16:06] <kenvandine> that would be the client side
[16:07] <kenvandine> they can request SingleSelection or MultiSelection in the transfer
[16:07] <kenvandine> MultiSelection is default
[16:07] <seb128> thanks
[16:08] <kenvandine> np
[16:17] <Laney> abeato: ok to disable the gstglsink right?
[16:17] <Laney> that's where the dependency comes from
[16:17] <abeato> Laney, indeed ;)
[16:17]  * Laney grepped configure.ac
[16:17] <Laney> cool
[16:17] <Laney> also, remind me which silo?
[16:17] <abeato> Laney, 41
[16:17] <Laney> merci
[16:18] <abeato> tha
[16:33] <seb128> kenvandine, opened bug #1523573, indeed it works fine, they just have an " enabled: model.selectedFiles.length <= 1" for some reason, if I remove it sharing multiple image works
[16:35] <kenvandine> seb128, ah, thx
[16:35] <seb128> kenvandine, yw!
[16:38] <Sleep_Walker> mcphail: I can see that ubuntu-sdk really requires those packages so if you say that the error is not normal, can I take it that those packages are generally available either in official repositories or ubuntu-sdk ppa?
[16:43] <mcphail> Sleep_Walker: I'm not sure why you are having that problem. Did you "apt-get update" after adding the PPA? I have installed the standard repo SDK and the PPA SDK in 15.10 without problems
[16:44] <Sleep_Walker> mcphail: I have installed Ubuntu using debootstrap, installed some software like emacs, less etc, software-properties-common (to get apt-add-repository) and added PPA
[16:45] <Sleep_Walker> I can see ubuntu-sdk (so metadata were obtained), but I can't install required dependencies
[16:46] <mcphail> Sleep_Walker: I think I may have 2 PPAs added to my machine. I can check when I get home
[16:46] <Sleep_Walker> mcphail: you'd be very kind!
[16:47] <Sleep_Walker> root@ubuntu:/# bzgrep autopilot-desktop Packages.bz2
[16:47] <Sleep_Walker> Depends: autopilot-desktop, intltool, libcontent-hub-doc, phablet-tools, ubuntu-device-flash, ubuntu-sdk-ide
[16:47] <mcphail> Sleep_Walker: in the meantime, you could ask bzoltan_ in #ubuntu-app-devel. He pointed me in the right direction for the PPAs
[16:47] <Sleep_Walker> will do
[16:49] <mcphail> Sleep_Walker: and may be worth running "sudo apt-get install -f" to fix anything broken before trying another "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk"
[16:50] <mcphail> Sleep_Walker: oh - actually, you may need to run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" before installing the PPA SDK
[16:50] <Sleep_Walker> I don't think it is relevant for my case
[16:51] <Sleep_Walker> metadata shown that autopilot-desktop string is present only in 'Depends'
[16:51] <Sleep_Walker> (I tried anyway and didn't help)
[16:51] <Sleep_Walker> bbl
[17:52] <mterry> tedg, thanks for the ubuntu-app-launch review -- did it build OK for you?
[17:53] <mterry> tedg, specifically, the tests...  in a silo PPA, the handshake test never returned (false or true)
[17:53] <mterry> tedg, but I can't reproduce in sbuild or pbuilder
[17:53] <mterry> tedg, since you manage to make deja-dup tests break all the time, I wondered if you did the same here
[17:53] <mterry> (not that you are *causing* the breaks, you just reproduce them  ;))
[17:55] <tedg> mterry: Heh, I didn't try. I just read the diff, which seemed rather obvious now :-)
[17:55] <tedg> mterry: Let me see.
[17:56] <mterry> tedg, oh wait
[17:56] <mterry> tedg, I got my branches confused
[17:56] <mterry> tedg, there's no problem with that MP
[17:56] <mterry> tedg, I thought you had reviewed the warn-on-xapp one
[17:56] <tedg> mterry: Cool, FWIW they passed here too
[17:56] <mterry> tedg, yeah, the fix-ftbfs is diff-only-worthy  :)
[17:57] <tedg> mterry: So with the other one I haven't looked through all of it yet.
[17:57] <tedg> mterry: I really want to switch UAL to have a constant object though.... kinda curious if this is the breaking point.
[17:57] <mterry> tedg, yeah no rush, I wasn't trying to circuitously poke you about that one  :)
[17:58] <tedg> mterry: That whole signal has evolved to teh point where it looks like "blow up" might be the solution.
[17:58] <tedg> mterry: We didn't have any Unity side, but that caused a race, so then hacked on the unity side.
[17:59] <tedg> mterry: But, now we need it to do more...
[17:59] <mterry> tedg, yeah  :-/
[18:00] <mterry> tedg, my MP tried to be as undisruptive as possible, so I stuck with the current paradigm
[18:00] <mterry> But it does make it even more unwieldy
[18:01] <tedg> mterry: Yeah, and I appreciate your try to be less disruptive, but thinking reworking might be better.
[18:02] <tedg> mterry: So I've started a brain dump on that. And I'm gonna see if I can make it reasonable. I'll ping you for thoughts once I have something to show.
[18:02] <mterry> tedg, cool
[18:10] <mcphail> Sleep_Walker: my PPAs - http://paste.ubuntu.com/13795040/
[18:21] <mwenning> Hey guys, any advice on putting touch on a Nexus 5x?
[18:22] <dobey> mwenning: not possible yet
[18:23] <dobey> mwenning: anything that didn't ship with android 4.x originally is likely to be problematic for porting, for the time being
[18:24] <dobey> the existing nexus5 port isn't even complete, and has several unresolved issues (and it's not an officially supported port)
[18:25] <mwenning> dobey, thx, that helps with my xmas purchase decisions ;-)
[18:26] <dobey> the new nexus devices are all 64-bit too. we don't have a complete set of packages for the phone building on arm64 yet, either
[18:48] <mhall119> pmcgowan: bfiller: after a recent rc-proposed update, my Nexus 4 camera takes awful pictures and doesn't fill the screen with the live preview, what happened?
[18:48] <mhall119> I'm on rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en r181
[18:49] <pmcgowan> we fixed the bq and mx?
[18:49] <mhall119> forgot the N4?
[18:49] <pmcgowan> there were several fixes so its possible
[18:49] <pmcgowan> though seems unlikely
[18:51] <pmcgowan> mhall119, actually those fixes not landed I am thinking of
[18:51] <pmcgowan> some changes landed thurs seem unlreated
[18:51] <mhall119> I think it started on the update before r181
[18:52] <pmcgowan> mhall119, friday update?
[18:53] <mhall119> I think so, I first noticed this yesterday
[18:53] <mhall119> but I didn't take any pictures between 11/26 and 12/06, so it could have been anytime in there
[18:55] <pmcgowan> actually let me check mine
[18:57] <pmcgowan> mhall119, there are changes to change the preview window to reflect the native resolution, there is a choice now in the bottom panel
[18:58] <pmcgowan> but quality should be good
[19:00] <pmcgowan> image quality does seem kinda poort but havent used this for a while
[19:01] <mhall119> pmcgowan: image quality on the N4 has always been poor, but it's so bad now you can't even read text on a close-up picture because it's so pixelated
[19:02] <mhall119> the saved image quality is actually *worse* than the preview quality
[19:03] <pmcgowan> yeah we need florian to explain, I'd suggest file it
[19:04] <davmor2> mhall119: look we understand that you are not happy unless you are complaining about something on the phone and pmcgowan just wanted to make you happy ;)
[19:04] <mhall119> heh, yeah, picture resolution is terrible now
[19:04] <mhall119> image20151206_124359627.jpg: JPEG image data, Exif standard: [TIFF image data, big-endian, direntries=8], baseline, precision 8, 176x144, frames 3
[19:04] <pmcgowan> maybe when the device tarball lands it gets better again
[19:05] <mhall119> davmor2: but I haven't *stopped* complaining about lack of HUD yet
[19:05] <pmcgowan> davmor2, you see what  I was doin there :)
[19:06] <davmor2> pmcgowan: I know you, your all heart, I can't not see you wanting to make mhall119 happy, tis the season and all that
[19:07] <davmor2> pmcgowan: mhall119: I think this is the train issue where only part of the new system got uploaded right
[19:07] <mhall119> pmcgowan can make me happy by upgrading me to a Meizu
[19:09] <pmcgowan> or hold out for "whats next" ;)
[19:09] <davmor2> mhall119: just hold off for a US based phone, come on you know that would make you happy ;)
[19:10] <mhall119> a US based phone would indeed make me happy, holding off not so much
[19:11] <dobey> working bluetooth, location, and reasonable battery usage on nexus5 would be nice too :)
[19:13] <bfiller> mhall119: you have a partial update, the app hasn't beenreleased yet but the backend has
[19:13] <bfiller> will be fixed today
[19:14] <pmcgowan> ah good
[19:16] <mhall119> thanks bfiller
[19:16] <mhall119> bfiller: pmcgowan: is this something we can catch with our test suite going forward?
[19:17] <pmcgowan> mhall119, I would say it was caught, it was infra issue
[19:17] <bfiller> mhall119: it's a build system issue actually
[19:17] <mhall119> ah, ok
[19:17] <bfiller> mhall119: problems with xenial silos prevented us from releasing a new click for camera-app as changes weren't yet mreged into trunk
[19:18] <bfiller> pushing a new version right now in fact
[19:21] <bfiller> pmcgowan, sil2100: seems I can't upload the new camera to the store as 15.04.3 framework is not defined in the store yet
[19:21] <sil2100> bfiller: I'll define it, I usually do that when the stable image is being released
[19:21] <pmcgowan> hmm chicken egg
[19:21] <sil2100> I can do it now if it's useful
[19:21] <bfiller> pmcgowan, sil2100 : not sure how to get it into the nightly build without putting it into the store
[19:21] <pmcgowan> this is where we need the beta store thing
[19:21] <bfiller> sil2100: unless there is another way to get it into the rc-proposed image
[19:22] <sil2100> hmmm... hm hm hmmmmm
[19:22] <sil2100> Not without hacking
[19:22] <bfiller> sil2100: lets add the new fw to the store then
[19:22] <sil2100> bfiller: let me do it once after the meeting
[19:22] <dobey> hmm
[19:22] <bfiller> sil2100: sounds good, ty
[19:23] <sil2100> pmcgowan: it should be fine to add it without the stable image being released, no stable image will be able to update to it until we do OTA-9
[19:23] <sil2100> Although it does seem a bit evil
[19:23] <dobey> pmcgowan: a "beta store" wouldn't help here
[19:24] <bfiller> sil2100: I think that's fine, it at least allows developers to upload stuff targeted at the next release
[19:24] <bfiller> and shouldn't affect users on stable
[19:24] <dobey> sil2100: well, ota8.5 will be the next stable image right? and it will thus need to have the .3 framework and camera app, because it has the back-end?
[19:25] <bfiller> dobey: no, ota8.5 does not have the .3 fw
[19:25] <sil2100> dobey: no, it won't
[19:25] <bfiller> only ota9 will
[19:25] <sil2100> dobey: ota-8.5 won't have a meta update
[19:27] <dobey> sil2100: but does it have the new camera back-end code, which causes the issues mhall119 is seeing?
[19:27] <sil2100> dobey: probably not, since I didn't copy any camera backend packages
[19:28] <dobey> oh ok
[20:04] <mattias_> Hi, I am trying to build my first cordova app for Ubuntu Touch running 15.10 and using the 15.04 or 15.10 SDK. But I am running in some issues. First, should I use the cordova command from the ppa (/usr/bin/cordova) or npm (/usr/local/bin)? Second, should I use the cordova platform code from github (cordova platform add https://github.com/apache/cordova-ubuntu) or use the default ubuntu? Both scenario's give me errors
[20:11] <dobey> you should use the sdk
[20:11] <dobey> also #ubuntu-app-devel for app devel questions please :)
[20:30] <sturmflut> tvoss: Ping
[20:30] <tvoss> sturmflut, o/
[20:32] <sturmflut> Hey! So, I played with the FM radio some more and I can actually initialize and tune it, and according to the signal strength indicator it receives something. TX is not implemented in our krillin kernels, neither is automatic station seek, and I still can't get pulseaudio to capture the FM signal.
[20:32] <tvoss> sturmflut, that's great, so when you say signal strength indicator, do you refer to the network indicator or to the driver's interface?
[20:33] <sturmflut> tvoss: The driver, it has a FM_IOCTL_GETRSSI ioctl
[20:34] <sturmflut> If I tune it to a known station the value is around -34 (probably dB), noise is at around -87
[20:34] <tvoss> sturmflut, hah, the joys of numbers :) okay, so we likely have to tinker around with the pulse audio routing
[20:35] <tvoss> sturmflut, what did you try thus far for pulse?
[20:36] <tvoss> sturmflut, for -34db, is that with the headphone plugged in?
[20:36] <sturmflut> "pactl set-source-port source.primary input-fm", "pactl set-sink-port sink.primary output-speaker" and then "pacat -r -d source.primary | pacat -p -d sink.primary". This works fine if I switch the input port to one of the microphones, but with "input-fm" it is always silent.
[20:37] <sturmflut> tvoss: -34 is with the headphones plugged in
[20:37] <tvoss> sturmflut, let me check something real quick
[20:41] <tvoss> sturmflut, did you try setting sink.primary to output-wired_head.whatever?
[20:42] <sturmflut> I think I did at some point, let me try again
[20:43] <tvoss> sturmflut, you also might have to adjust the volume of the source port
[20:50] <sturmflut> tvoss: according to "pactl list" the ports are set correctly, the volumes are at 100%, nothing is muted and if I just switch the source input over to a microphone it immediately works. I suspect the FM chip is still muted or the input switching is not correct. The FM chip has no connection to the audio part except its NF output, so I don't think it even "knows" if the sink port is set to headset or not.
[20:50] <sturmflut> I'll look at the kernel driver code about the muting, absolutely not sure about it
[20:54] <tvoss_> sturmflut, do you have your code available somewhere?
[20:54] <tvoss_> sturmflut, also: did you issue a SETVOL ioctl on the fm device manually?
[20:58] <tvoss_> sturmflut, if possible, it would be great if you could pastebin output from /system/bin/logcat
[21:02] <sturmflut> tvoss_: Yeah, I even do a GETVOL to check that it actually gets set. Just pushed the code to https://github.com/Sturmflut/mtkfmcli.git , naturally it's quite hacky and ugly. Let me add a short README
[21:02] <tvoss_> sturmflut, no need to :)
[21:03] <sturmflut> You need to make the image writeable and move firmware files around
[21:03] <tvoss_> sturmflut, yup, got that far :)
[21:04] <tvoss_> sturmflut, https://github.com/Sturmflut/mtkfmcli/blob/master/include/mtk_ioctl.h#L50 seems a typo
[21:05] <sturmflut> Don't think so, that's from the kernel code and works
[21:10] <sturmflut> tvoss_: I think the FM radio driver just writes log messages to the kernel ringbuffer
[21:15] <tvoss_> sturmflut, ack, that makes sense. I'm looking into the pulseaudio droid module and see what else I can dig up from the android user space sources on controlling the fm chipset
[21:15] <tvoss_> sturmflut, mind pinging me the link to the fm driver source you are lookint at?
[21:16] <sturmflut> tvoss_: https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/tree/aquaris-E4.5/mediatek/kernel/drivers/fmradio
[21:18] <sturmflut> tvoss_: There's an "aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-master" branch, but I don't think it changes anything
[21:18] <tvoss_> sturmflut, nope, unlikely
[21:21] <tvoss_> sturmflut, the logs actually go to androids logging facilities, see https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/blob/34cf494bca625acad06274c3cba10aca148813c0/mediatek/kernel/drivers/fmradio/inc/fm_dbg.h
[21:40] <pdanek> Hey guys, is anyone in Ubuntu Touch team working on Android app runtime? Or the plan is to use Shashlik once it's done?
[21:44] <mcphail> pdanek: no idea what is on the roadmap, but I would guess it will be inevitable that some kind of emulation or shim layer will be developed. I'd rather we had X working on Mir before any android/surfaceflinger stuff, personally
[21:47] <dobey> there are no plans to provide running of android apps on ubuntu as part of the phone experience
[21:47] <pdanek> hmm
[21:48] <dobey> if you want to repackage an android app by using the android runtime, you are welcome to build an app doing so, but you need to package it all into your own app (and it require proprietary chrome afaik, which is not redistributable, so good luck) :)
[21:48] <mcphail> Someone is likely to come up with android-in-a-click (or -in-a-snap)
[21:49] <pdanek> dobey: well shashlik is KDE project which can run android apps natively on Linux
[21:49] <pdanek> perhaps similar as it is on Sailfish OS, except fully open source (Sailfish emulation is proprietary)
[21:50] <dobey> well, then maybe you can use that if it's open source, but it won't be a core part of the ubuntu phone system
[21:50] <dobey> i guess it's a project to do it on the plasma phone
[21:51] <dobey> the kde phone images
[21:52] <pdanek> dobey: that's fine, thanks for info!
[21:52] <mcphail> pdanek: to be honest, it would be a shame to regress to android apps. The dev experience on native Ubuntu touch is much better. No need to rely on horrible NDK layers etc
[21:52] <pdanek> I just wasn't sure if shashlik integration or other solution is in the roadmap
[21:52] <dobey> no, there is no intention to provide support for running android apps on ubuntu phone
[21:53] <pdanek> mcphail: well, everyone would regress, but sometimes people just want phone which they wanna use every day, as main device.... and without android apps, that will take long time to get all apps you need
[21:53] <pdanek> especially apps like internet banking will probably never get ported
[21:53] <dobey> i use my ubuntu phone every day
[21:54] <dobey> and heck, i don't even have bluetooth or location
[21:54] <pdanek> dobey: everyone has different expectations from phone
[21:54] <mcphail> pdanek: I don't disagree with you. That is a very pragmatic view. I still cling to the purist view ;)
[21:54] <dobey> pdanek: and expecting android apps to work well on non-android will only lead to disappointment :)
[21:55] <dobey> better to bug whatsapp to create a real ubuntu port :)
[21:56] <pdanek> dobey: if you need Uber taxi, or need app for public transport, or Hailo, or eBanking, or some chatting app which isn't ported to Ubuntu (Whatsapp, Line, WeeChat, Viber, I don't know honestly what's ported and what not)
[21:56] <pdanek> purist view is honorable, but sometimes people just want to get things done as easily and quickly as possible
[21:57] <pdanek> dobey: not necessarily, android apps work on Sailfish OS just fine...
[21:57] <pdanek> dobey: even games
[21:57] <pdanek> no disappointments
[21:58] <dobey> android apps on android were even disappointing to me. *shrug*
[21:58] <pdanek> dobey: of course I choose native app once it's available, or even a lot of apps are ported from Ubuntu Touch :) but if there is need, I just patch it with android app
[21:59] <dobey> really, if android apps are a requirement, then android is a requirement
[21:59] <pdanek> dobey: well, ya, everyone hates android apps, but better than nothing, if you know what I mean
[21:59] <dobey> well, you're allowed to have an opinion which differs from others :)
[21:59] <pdanek> yep
[22:00] <dobey> android's security model is fundamentally opposed to the security model of ubuntu though. they don't mix, so even if you could run android apps, it wouldn't be a feasible option in general
[22:01] <pdanek> dobey: I agree
[22:01] <pdanek> same as on Sailfish, it's an option
[22:02] <pdanek> you can install the runtime layer if you want, as an option
[22:02] <dobey> no, not the same as sailfish. sailfish doesn't have ubuntu's security model
[22:02] <pdanek> but by default it's not installed
[22:02] <pdanek> oh, I know what you mean now
[22:02] <pdanek> Ubuntu is trying to containerize the apps, isn't it?
[22:02] <mcphail> dobey: android apps would work, within their own "container" (be that click, snap or whatever) though
[22:02] <dobey> yes, apps are contained
[22:03] <pdanek> right
[22:03] <dobey> mcphail: some might work, others might "work", but it will be a poor experience for the apps that people are actually asking to be run on ubuntu
[22:04] <dobey> mcphail: they won't be able to run their background services, so they won't have working push notifications, incoming calls, etc… when contained on ubuntu
[22:04] <mcphail> dobey: if the android app provided a full launcher experience, they would work until a call came in or the screen went off
[22:05] <dobey> mcphail: exactly. they wouldn't be able to receive any messages in whatsapp unless whatsapp was actually running in the foreground
[22:06] <mcphail> dobey: yes. I'm not claiming it isn't very very broken. But it would allow android apps to share data/servicesw within their own container
[22:06] <dobey> mcphail: so it would not be particularly useful for the people who rely on communications through such services
[22:07] <dobey> mcphail: nobody is stopping anyone from building an app package that provides a runtime and just runs the android app, outside of the legal teams of the services in question of course :)
[22:07] <pdanek> understood
[22:07] <pdanek> so not really feasible experience
[22:07] <mcphail> dobey: there is just the tiny matter of a surfaceflinger-to-mir shim :)
[22:08] <pdanek> as on Sailfish, it's integrated including push notifications, runs perfectly fine in background  etc.
[22:08] <dobey> mcphail: emacs beckons you :)
[22:08] <mcphail> dobey: I've tried to write a mir client and it made my head explode :)
[22:22] <tvoss_> pdanek, so what's the incentive for developers to port their app, then?
[22:23] <tvoss_> mcphail, and it would actually be somewhat "easy" to implement the surface flinger (binder) itf on top of mir
[22:23] <mcphail> tvoss_: maybe, but certainly beyond my talents
[22:23] <tvoss_> mcphail, practice makes perfect :)
[22:23] <dobey> i don't know about perfect
[22:24] <mcphail> tvoss_: you haven't seen my code, it take it ;)
[22:24] <dobey> but baqnging one's head on the keyboard enough eventually results in code that compiles and appears to function ;)
[22:24] <dobey> something on rc-proposed is causing dash scrolling to be incredibly painful
[22:25] <pdanek> tvoss_: the incentive is to get the native app experience
[22:25] <pdanek> it's just better with Sailfish SDK than running Android app
[22:25] <dobey> there isn't an incentive
[22:25] <tvoss_> pdanek, well, you just claimed that the integration is good enough
[22:26] <tvoss_> dobey, true ;)
[22:26] <dobey> whatsapp isn't porting to sailfish
[22:26] <pdanek> tvoss_: well... true
[22:26] <pdanek> WhatsApp is being ported to Ubuntu Touch?
[22:26] <tvoss_> pdanek, define "better" from an app developer's perspective :)
[22:26] <dobey> there's only an incentive if the developer has to do the work directly to get the android version running on that platform
[22:26] <mcphail> A native whatsapp app wouldn't run in the background, either
[22:26] <dobey> pdanek: not yet
[22:26] <pdanek> dobey: I mean official port
[22:27] <pdanek> there is pretty good native WhatsApp app on Sailfish
[22:27] <dobey> pdanek: unofficial ports can't exist because it's not open source
[22:27] <dobey> no, there is no native whatsapp on sailfish
[22:27] <pdanek> dobey: they can, reverse engineer the protocol and use just the protocol
[22:27] <pdanek> dobey: yes, there is
[22:27] <dobey> there is an app that purports to enable you to use whatsapp, but whastapp actively block such apps and also actively ban anyone using them
[22:28] <tvoss_> pdanek, that's not production level quality, though :) and people are pretty picky about the stability of their messaging apps
[22:28] <pdanek> true
[22:28] <pdanek> and true about ban to use it too
[22:28] <dobey> you can't talk about native oficial whatsapp on ubuntu, and then go on claiming there is a native whatsapp on sailfish, when it's not official
[22:28] <pdanek> but people made whatsapp native app effort...
[22:28] <pdanek> and once it was banned... another people made another native port
[22:29] <dobey> you can use the same app on ubuntu too, if you want to get banned :)
[22:29] <pdanek> so there is definitely push towards native apps, even with android integration
[22:29] <pdanek> just an example
[22:29] <dobey> yes, the problem is that you just keep chasing the dragon you can never catch
[22:29] <pdanek> yes
[22:29] <dobey> some random developers pushing for native app because they keep writing software that whatsapp keeps banning, doesn't mean whatsapp is being pushed to create a native client
[22:29]  * mcphail thinks Ubuntu needs to sort out background apps and notifications rather than spending time porting android runtimes
[22:30] <dobey> people will use the official android client, and not ask whatsapp for a native client
[22:30] <pdanek> right
[22:30] <pdanek> but then
[22:30] <dobey> mcphail: notifications are pretty sorted. but yeah there needs to be background processing solved
[22:30] <pdanek> why Windows 10 Mobile is developing Android support?
[22:31] <tvoss_> mcphail, we will *not* figure out background apps in the general case, and notifications are working perfectly fine
[22:31] <dobey> pdanek: because microsoft has given up too
[22:31] <pdanek> so if Windows Phone tried and gave up
[22:31] <pdanek> why will Ubuntu succeed?
[22:31] <tvoss_> mcphail, we will enable selected background processing under controlled conditions, which is a different thing
[22:32] <mcphail> tvoss_: background apps will become an inevitablity, if convergence is ever going to work
[22:32] <tvoss_> mcphail, I suggest that you read the last mail thread, the lifecylce policy is different for desktop use-cases
[22:32] <tvoss_> mcphail, and it was always meant to be different :)
[22:33] <tvoss_> mcphail, also: s/background apps/occluded-apps/
[22:34] <mcphail> tvoss_: I'm not sure the frameworks are keeping up with the needs of users on the phone, though. Things like background sync are missing with no obvious roadmap
[22:35] <mcphail> tvoss_: and notifications are buggy (at least with dekko, which is the only one I use)
[22:35] <dobey> notifications in dekko are superfluous
[22:36] <tvoss_> mcphail, right, they are not real push notifications ;)
[22:37] <tvoss_> mcphail, also: I'm not sure battery power can keep up with a system that does not exercise lifecycle control ;)
[22:37] <mcphail> tvoss_: I'd accept android-level battery performance for more functionality...
[22:37] <dobey> it works fine
[22:38] <dobey> and it's not no lifecycle control
[22:38] <tvoss_> mcphail, sure, you personlly can also achieve that quite easily tbh
[22:38] <tvoss_> mcphail, sure, there are so many ways to escape the lifecycle trap on android :)
[22:39] <pdanek> thanks guys for answers earlier
[22:39] <tvoss_> mcphail, on purpose or not, due to bugs, see last uproar about facebook messenger
[22:39] <dobey> the whole "android sucks so lets be totalitarian about it" concept is tiring
[22:40] <tvoss_> dobey, no one said that actually, and we adopted quite a lot of the system :)
[22:40] <mcphail> tvoss_: The biggest thing I miss on Ubuntu is finding my photos magically appearing on my desktop when I log in. I can't see there is ever going to be a solution to that
[22:40] <dobey> of what system?
[22:40] <tvoss_> dobey, well, of android :)
[22:40] <mcphail> tvoss_: which is ironic, because Ubuntu one used to work well on android :)
[22:41] <dobey> that's exactly what you're saying now. "android has no lifecycle, which sucks, and we're afraid of battery usage, so we're going into complete lockdown in this"
[22:41] <dobey> we have none of the background proccessing support of android on ubuntu phones :)
[22:41] <tvoss_> dobey, it has a lifecycle, which is easy to escape and to get wrong. so instead, we started locked down and open up step by step
[22:42] <tvoss_> painful and probably slower than we would like to: certainly
[22:43] <mcphail> tvoss_: it is very frustrating when we have been waiting for nearly a year for a decision about a way to allow user apps to access an SD card, never mind run background processes
[22:44] <mcphail> tvoss_: as a user/hobby dev it does stretch my patience at times
[22:45] <tvoss_> mcphail, sure, I can see that. the sd card situation will be solved soon'ish, the background processing is not meant to be solved in the general case, though
[22:45] <tvoss_> but we have been to that conversation before .)
[22:45] <mcphail> indeed :)
[22:45] <tvoss_> mcphail, as a hobby dev, you are not limited by the lifecycle though!
[22:46] <tvoss_> mcphail, and I'm sure you know how to use tweakgeek and friends
[22:46] <dobey> yes, the lifecycle is limiting. tweakgeek is not a solution
[22:46] <mcphail> yes, but I'd like to upload functional apps to the store
[22:48] <dobey> anyway, rc-proposed seems to be not working very nicely, and i think it's time i went to pub
[22:48] <tvoss_> dobey, enjoy :)
[22:50] <mcphail> tvoss_: hope you don't think I'm being a moaner... I appreciate your tireless work!
[22:50] <tvoss_> mcphail, no worries, I can take quite some blame :)
[22:50] <tvoss_> mcphail, and it's perfectly fine to moan at times
[22:50] <mcphail> tvoss_: :)
[23:08]  * TheHorribleBear waits for a Ubuntu phone without MediaTek cpu


[00:15] <Strav> hi! Two small issues with kubuntu 15.10 which I'm not sure are due to packaging or upstream: 1. When trying to use kmail from the system try, it's icon is missin (and I cannot interact with it's menu (it does not show)). 2. When setting Akregator to only show unread messages, as soon as one message is clicked/read, the whole list vanish. Would be nice to know if anyone else is having these issues before creating a bug report. Thanks!
[00:16] <Strav> *system tray
[06:44] <soee> good morning
[07:44] <sitter> Riddell: btw what happened to the locale kcm packaging integration?
[07:53] <yofel> hm, today's final freeze. damnit
[08:00] <soee> :-)
[08:00] <soee> is it something bad ?
[08:15] <Riddell> sitter: same thing as kdenetwork-filesharing, incomplete SoC task https://community.kde.org/GSoC/2015/ranveeraggarwal
[08:15] <sitter> qq
[08:16] <sitter> Riddell: where's the code?
[08:17] <Riddell> hmm good question
[08:20] <Riddell> sitter: asked ranveer the student
[08:22] <yofel> soee: well, I never actually had time to add kconf update scripts for dolphin, ktp, etc. desktop files
[08:22] <yofel> guess people will have to live with it
[08:23] <sitter> huh
[08:23] <sitter> Riddell: did he pass without submitting any code :O
[08:24] <Riddell> oh he submitted some, just didn't quite finish any of it somehow
[08:24] <sitter> well as long as you can give me the code :P
[08:25] <sitter> gsocs rarely get finished anyway, hence why students are meant to submit code at the very least to pass
[08:25] <sitter> heck, my phonon project isn't finished 4 years later :P
[08:26] <bshah> well, you don't have to submit code but submit code samples
[08:28] <sitter> true
[08:28] <sitter> as a mentor you should make people submit code though
[08:29] <bshah> actually which code submission are we talking about?
[08:29] <bshah> one in melange? or git
[08:29] <bshah> ?
[08:29] <sitter> gyt
[08:29] <sitter> actually
[08:29] <sitter> anywhere KDE
[08:29] <bshah> if student didn't do something in git/svn then I wouldn't pass him/her
[08:29] <sitter> lest you see code how would you let someone pass
[08:30] <Riddell> I did see code, I just forget where it was now, maybe in reviewboard
[08:30] <Riddell> and that was only 1 of his 4 sub-tasks
[08:31]  * sitter shakes head and goes tsktsk
[08:31] <sitter> anyway
[08:32] <sitter> anyone got an idea where we could put tarball reference URLs in git?
[08:32] <sitter> i.e. we want to be able to build archive branches from git with a tarball in jenkins except not everything has a watch file and sometimes we need repacked tars (e.g. qt)
[08:33] <sitter> so I need a place to put tarball urls
[08:34] <yofel> hm, either add watch files, or I think you'll have to add yet more metadata in debian/source/whatever
[08:34] <yofel> or maybe something like a pristine_tar target would work for the repack
[08:37] <sitter> if there was an actual standard for repacking that would help xD
[08:37] <sitter> mh
[08:38] <yofel> well, there isn't. The target approach is about the most reasonable one that I came across so far
[08:38] <sitter> watch wouldn't solve it I fear. there would be cases where we want to pick a specific existing repack to make use of shared checksums so we can share the same origs
[08:38] <yofel> hm
[08:38] <sitter> yofel: there's a "standard" script I think somewhere
[08:39] <sitter> which is like 20 lines of glorious shell or something xD
[08:39] <yofel> now that you mention it, there was something like that
[08:42] <sitter> FTR https://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/repacking.html
[08:43] <yofel> ETOOMANYTOOLS
[08:43] <sitter> there is a python version doing the same I think
[08:43] <sitter> it's binary though I think
[08:43] <sitter> https://wiki.debian.org/UnpackWaf
[08:44] <sitter> it literally does the same thing though it seems...
[08:44] <sitter> and still needs a target
[08:46] <sitter> so yeah, I used repack.stub the last couple of times I had to do a repack
[08:46] <sitter> cleanest least overhead solution I have seen so far
[08:48] <sitter> yofel: problem with uscan BTW is that I can't make it download a specific version with download.kde.org
[08:48] <sitter> might be that I am too weak minded to use it though :(
[08:48] <yofel> right, that's a really annoying "feature" of it :S
[08:53] <sitter> uff
[08:53] <sitter> all very annoying
[08:53]  * sitter shakes fist and proceeds to write orig.tar verification regex
[08:58] <sitter> (.+)_([\d.]+)\.orig\.tar(.*)
[12:07] <jocke> Hi! Sorry if postinf off-topic, but today I tried to install development packages for QT on my Kubuntu 15.04 due to a project, sadly this really screwed up my KDE desktop. Is there an easy way to force a complete reinstall of KDE? I really don't want to go down the "reinstall complete operating system" path.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:31] <Riddell> jocke: make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed
[12:49] <sitter> Riddell: püng
[13:04]  * sitter is as per usual very impressed by how broken tests worked previously
[13:08] <BluesKaj> noticed flash plugins are no longer listed in muon, not a big problem, is HTML5 finally being adopted by most websites? If so how can a user know ?
[13:18] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12788904/
[13:18] <sitter> needs review please
[13:21]  * shadeslayer looks
[13:22] <shadeslayer> looks good
[13:23] <Riddell> sitter: why origin: vendor?
[13:24] <Riddell> "If the Author field is present, the Origin field can be omitted and it's assumed that the patch comes from its author."
[13:24] <sitter> Riddell: distro patches are vendor
[13:25] <sitter> and since the patch isn't approved upstream I can't reallly call it anything but vendor
[13:25] <sitter> shadeslayer: thx
[13:26] <Riddell> '"vendor" for a patch created by Debian or another distribution vendor' hmm ok
[13:28]  * sitter rolls source
[13:33] <Riddell> sitter: wow a rare case of these package tests actually catching a bug!
[13:33] <sitter> pft
[13:34] <sitter> just because no one automates the test provisioning
[13:34] <sitter> e.g. that kdeinit stuff is probably wrong in all packages which *will* eventually cause pointless failure
[13:40] <soee> are we able to track down and fix the sddm bug with propriety drivers + nvidia-prime before final release ?
[13:42] <yofel> well, there is a bug for it - so I think it's out of our hands
[14:11] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-88-g60e2928 * Aleix Pol: discover (5 files in 2 dirs)
[14:11] <pursuivant> Add a header to the Installed Page
[14:11] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/60e2928519c42a5f88f7fb7dd40f79ce726178c3
[14:11] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-89-g40632b4 * Aleix Pol: libmuon/declarative (2 files)
[14:11] <pursuivant> Add a count property to the ApplicationProxyModel
[14:11] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/40632b432be82614c74b40f6c662f67324aec3d7
[14:12] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-90-g7534e90 * Aleix Pol: libmuon/Transaction/TransactionModel.h
[14:12] <pursuivant> QVector is awesome, apparently
[14:12] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/7534e9029dc1d63e32ef00d3add7161ee7df948b
[14:41] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-91-ged9ae25 * Aleix Pol:  (4 files in 2 dirs)
[14:41] <pursuivant> Show the transactions progress in the Installed page
[14:41] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/ed9ae251c0e76998e4ef264e0ff29251d71f0dd8
[14:57] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-92-g669f6ac * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/Information.qml
[14:57] <pursuivant> Narrow the carroussel elements
[14:57] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/669f6ac5fb6982e15e517da2f1a216ac1506e7f1
[19:45] <soee> yofel: is it possible to mark each mail that is moved to trash as read (kmail) ?
[19:50] <clivejo> soee: good question
[19:50] <clivejo> let me know if you get an answer
[19:50] <soee> trying to solve this for some time :D
[19:51] <clivejo> Id also like the spam folder to stop recording unread items!
[19:51] <clivejo> soee: do you use gmail with kmail?
[19:53] <clivejo> my internet has gone to the dogs, Id be faster on dial-up
[19:59] <soee> clivejo: 1 account yes
[20:02] <clivejo> do you know why the same email appears in a number of different folders?
[20:21] <soee> clivejo: yup, dunno why
[21:07] <yofel> not that I know of, I do that by hand
[22:59] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-93-g1c302e8 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/ApplicationsTop.qml
[22:59] <pursuivant> Fix warning
[22:59] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/1c302e84aec9310522f1d0ce7dbc74b95531bfda
[23:00] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-94-g1ca60a3 * Aleix Pol: notifier/MuonNotifier.cpp
[23:00] <pursuivant> Make muon-discover the default for updates since the redesign
[23:00] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/1ca60a31589b249de8300830e7099ed29639826f


[02:26] <iheartubuntu> very strange why a uni would block the virtualbox website
[02:31] <iheartubuntu> hello markdude, how are ya
[02:31] <MarkDude> great
[02:31] <MarkDude> How are things with you iheartubuntu ?
[02:32] <iheartubuntu> working on website
[02:32] <iheartubuntu> was trying to reach the virtualbox website... wont connect here at a uni
[02:58]  * MarkDude has some of the gooseberry seeds already starting
[02:58] <MarkDude> they are slow - so the sooner the better. I plan to have at least 10 of them in my backyard.
[02:59] <iheartubuntu> thats awesome!
[02:59] <iheartubuntu> where did you originally get them? on a trip someplace?
[03:00] <MarkDude> From a friend that has all sorts of weird heirloom stuff
[03:00] <MarkDude> they are from South America to start I guess
[03:30]  * pleia2 crawled out of flu coma to send email re: SF ubuntu hour & debian meeting next week, retreats now
[03:34] <iheartubuntu> yikes. i have been feeling under the weather since tuesday
[03:35] <iheartubuntu> i was great, then boom, right around lunch time it felt like someone tied chains to me
[03:35] <iheartubuntu> hope u get better pleia2
[03:36] <jledbetter> Ok... what in the world. seidos, pleia2 and... It's like ubuflu! but scaleflu?
[03:40] <MarkDude> jledbetter, Gareth was calling it the Scale plague
[03:40] <MarkDude> and he was an organizer
[03:41] <jledbetter> Why'd he put that on the agenda? Goodness ;)
[03:42] <m4gnus> sorry folks, i may have been part of that issue...
[03:43] <m4gnus> i had a cold going into the expo
[03:43] <m4gnus> tried using my purell as much as i could :\
[03:43] <jledbetter> What's that called? Patient 0?
[03:43] <m4gnus> yarp
[03:44] <m4gnus> but to my defense it was only a cold, i saw a guy that looked pretty pale >.>
[03:45] <jledbetter> Or just something going around. Few bugs at my office too. Pair programming + something going around == unfun ;)
[03:46] <iheartubuntu> m4gnus - did we meet?
[03:46] <iheartubuntu> i have scaleflu! yuk!
[03:47] <jledbetter> Quarantine time! ;)
[03:47] <m4gnus> iheartubuntu, maybe? what's your name?
[03:47] <iheartubuntu> i gave scaleflu to my dad!!!
[03:47] <jledbetter> Haha
[03:47] <iheartubuntu> i was the guy with the chocolate donuts. i know it
[03:48] <m4gnus> oh then no...
[03:48] <m4gnus> i would definitely remember donuts
[03:48] <m4gnus> i did get to meet pleia2 and DarkwingDuck
[03:48] <m4gnus> :)
[03:48] <m4gnus> so sorry to them if they got a cold :(
[03:49] <jledbetter> iheartubuntu, Are you nocal or socal?
[03:49] <m4gnus> ok serious question: is it really nerdy to get star struck from meeting them?
[03:49] <jledbetter> They're good peeps.
[03:50] <m4gnus> they are, they are
[03:57] <MarkDude> m4gnus, - meeting some of these folks in person IS really cool
[06:08] <MarkDude> Anyone up for going to hear some music in SF tomorrow night?
[06:13] <nUboon2Age> jt
[06:14] <MarkDude> up for some heavy metal nUboon2Age ?
[06:14] <nUboon2Age> jtatum_: are you able to make it to the Ubuntu Hour Palo Alto tomorrow night (Tandori Oven on California Ave)? aaditya, crashsystems ?
[06:14] <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: heavy metal?
[06:15] <nUboon2Age> jledbetter: ^
[06:15] <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, tomorrow is the Severed Fifth show in SF
[06:17] <MarkDude> Kinda like an Ubuntu hour- since jono_ is involved, but there are guitars, and drums, as well as yelling and a moshpit- so that part is different
[06:17] <jono_> MarkDude, :-)
[06:18] <jono_> folks, come and check out the show :-)
[06:18] <MarkDude> aaditya, might make it
[06:18] <MarkDude> no word on grantbow yet
[06:19] <jono_> cool :-)
[06:21] <MarkDude> vsayer, you like loud music?
[06:21] <vsayer> love it
[06:23] <nUboon2Age> oh sounds like fun MarkDude and jono_, but i'm soooooo exhuasted i don't think i could make the train trip that would entail.  Sometime soon though. :-)
[06:24] <nUboon2Age> okay, i have yet to hear back from jtatum_ so i hope he'll let me know.  if he's not going to come i may postpone.
[06:24] <nUboon2Age> gotta run...
[06:24] <nUboon2Age> i'll let my upgrade finish before shutting down...
[06:32] <MarkDude> vsayer, There is a show in SF tomorrow at Club Cocomo
[06:39] <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=174876099219378
[10:33] <flickeringlamp> can someone test my webserver for me?
[10:33] <flickeringlamp> i think it's been hacked
[10:34] <flickeringlamp> it's http://fictionalphilosophy.org/journal.html
[10:34] <flickeringlamp> or /images
[10:34] <flickeringlamp> i can't even browse to /images
[10:38] <flickeringlamp> anybody awake?
[10:39] <flickeringlamp> ...
[10:39] <jyo> Can't connect.
[10:40] <flickeringlamp> do you get this bogus "XML Parsing error message"?
[10:43] <jyo> Nope. Address resolves but can't connect.
[10:44] <jyo> Can't ping it either.
[18:19] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, I know you are busy, but I figured I would see if you want anything to do with the creation of the ML for the Socal geeknics
[19:05] <DarkwingDuck> Garg.
[19:05] <DarkwingDuck> When MarkDude comes back could someone ping me?
[19:09] <iheartubuntu> np
[20:03] <iheartubuntu> MarkDude DarkwingDuck is looking for you
[20:04] <MarkDude> Ty iheartubuntu
[20:04] <MarkDude> I have a list of emails of folks tht are interested in geeknics
[20:04] <MarkDude> And would rather have DD help set it up than a 3rd party
[20:10] <iheartubuntu> what exactly is a geeknic
[20:11] <MarkDude> picnic + geeks
[20:11] <MarkDude> All of those events we had up here with food :)
[20:12] <MarkDude> http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/Geeknic#5536688044753202738
[20:12] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: ping
[20:12] <MarkDude> Hey there terror that flaps in the night
[20:12] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: david.wonderly@kubuntu
[20:13] <MarkDude> I have someone willing to set up  a mailing list
[20:13] <MarkDude> I would rather we figure out our own
[20:13] <MarkDude> ]/me also knows you are hella busy
[20:13] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'm going to be in and out. I can either convo via GTalk (david.wonderly@gmail) ormy email. I'm doing a furneral thing this weekend.
[20:14] <MarkDude> Gidget Kitchen has the ability to do it, but thinks SoCal would like its own
[20:14] <MarkDude> NP
[20:14] <DarkwingDuck> I would like to have our own...
[20:14] <MarkDude> So talking to you about this is cool?
[20:14] <DarkwingDuck> Oh yes!
[20:14] <MarkDude> Just dont want to waste time
[20:14] <MarkDude> Good deal
[20:14] <MarkDude> I will email and attach a few to start it off
[20:14] <DarkwingDuck> Okay sweet
[20:15] <MarkDude> GK will post the start dialog
[20:15] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: you have GTalk?
[20:15] <MarkDude> yes
[20:15] <MarkDude> well did
[20:15]  * MarkDude is on 3rd string laptop
[20:15] <DarkwingDuck> :) Don't use it?
[20:16] <MarkDude> Long story
[20:17] <MarkDude> I just want us to have some notes to document the start of this
[20:17]  * MarkDude likes doing things TOSW
[20:17] <MarkDude> http://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/Main_Page
[20:18] <MarkDude> We can do chat- and take relevant notes- the list should be typed up next week
[20:19] <MarkDude> Next time having folks TYPE stuff in might save time- well you live and learn
[23:42] <phoenix3> jtatum: i'm thinking i'll postpone the Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto to another date.