[05:26] <daniels> cef: try throwing amd74xx in /etc/modules before ide-generic
[05:27] <nullified> heh
[05:27] <nullified> obento = lunch
[05:27] <nullified> or, your lunch..
[05:27] <cycom> ARG
[05:27] <nullified> hoary is greatsville.
[05:27] <Whiffle> anyone have trouble with composite and the latest nvidia drivers?
[05:28] <nullified> Whiffle, not i
[05:28] <Whiffle> it keeps locking X up on me
[05:29] <Whiffle> computer will still shut itself down if i hit the powerbutton
[05:29] <Whiffle> so its not toally locked up
[05:29] <cef> daniels: I'
[05:29] <cef> daniels: I'll give it a shot..
[05:29] <nullified> strange
[05:29] <nullified> in X11R6 you mean, or XFree86?
[05:29] <nullified> (or does xfree86 even do xcomp..?)
[05:29] <cef> daniels: basically can't turn on dma on my dvd writer in the dual AMD64 *sigh*
[05:29] <daniels> nullified: xfree86 doesn't have composite support
[05:30] <daniels> cef: yeah, i had the same problem with my amd64
[05:30] <calc> cef: what does it say?
[05:30] <nullified> xcomp is... useless anyway... heh
[05:30] <cycom> how the hell do I get 2.6.10 sources?! apt-get says it doesn't exist!
[05:30] <calc> that may be due to the loading of the ide-generic happening before the chipset driver
[05:30] <etzerd> Snouche: what is the difference between hoary and warty?
[05:30] <smouche> synd!
[05:30] <cef> calc: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[05:30] <smouche> I got it-- using zinf
[05:30] <Whiffle> im an eye candy junky
[05:30] <calc> ah nm i see daniels already told you that
[05:30] <calc> mdz had told me to remove ide-* from /etc/modules completely
[05:31] <calc> i had the same problem on my box
[05:31] <nullified> daniels, nvidia drivers + x.org are terribly troublesome.
[05:31] <cef> and yeah, lsmod seems to tell me the same
[05:31] <smouche> I can set preferences to append streams to the playlist instead of playing immediately.  Zinf is a nice player, btw...
[05:31] <calc> i would guess that anyone with more than one ide chipset will have that problem
[05:31] <nullified> daniels, if you want transparency so badly, i suggest metisse.
[05:31] <calc> or that uses sata and pata
[05:31] <montana_> how do i edit config files that are locked?
[05:31] <etzerd> Because I just update my sources.list all the lines that start with "deb" have something like hoary. now the one I just copy form ubuntu.org has a sample where all of the are warty
[05:32] <flodine> does mplayer have problem
[05:32] <smouche> etzerd, warty is the stable release, hoary is the development release (soon to be stable)
[05:32] <synd> smouche: zimf?
[05:32] <calc> cef: yea making the ide chipset driver load first will fix it
[05:32] <cef> calc: well this has sil3114, amd74xx and i've got a 3w9xxx in there as well
[05:32] <smouche> Zinf-- I think it's in universe, nice basic player
[05:32] <calc> cef: i doubt ide-generic will steal from 3ware
[05:32] <smouche> I simply couldn't find a setting like that in xmms, but maybe I missed it.
[05:32] <calc> and since sil3114 is sata it may not on it either
[05:32] <cef> calc: true.. but I'm booting off the 3ware *grin*
[05:33] <etzerd> so I can keep both of them on my sources.list and update it. That won't cause any problem
[05:33] <daniels> nullified: dude, I use neither nVidia nor Composite
[05:33] <daniels> calc: i have an nforce chipset, yeah
[05:33] <smouche> synd, Zinf seems like kind of a cross between beep player and rhythm box-- it'll scan your folders for media, etc
[05:34] <calc> daniels: ah
[05:34] <daniels> the graphics card, however, uses totally open drivers
[05:34] <nullified> oh crap.
[05:34] <nullified> we allll know i meant wiffle, right?
[05:34] <cef> calc: now if the bug that is supposed to be fixed in regards to the 3w9xxx module in ubuntu's kernel (it's really an upstream problem) was actually fixed, I'
[05:34] <synd> smouche: nice nice, im getting it now
[05:34] <cef> I'd be really happy!
[05:34] <nullified> do ATI cards work on Linux with 3D yet?  heh.
[05:34] <calc> nullified: just for 4-5 years
[05:35] <Whiffle> what what?
[05:35] <Whiffle> i saw my name..
[05:35] <nullified> calc, haha yeah...
[05:35] <Whiffle> yeah ATI's work, but its pita.
[05:35] <etzerd> Nouche: my last question to you: Should I sace the sources.list with both warty and hoary?
[05:35] <nullified> Whiffle, pita-ful
[05:35] <MrParker> heya
[05:35] <calc> binary drivers are evil, don't use them
[05:35] <MrParker> </3
[05:35] <nullified> calc, hai.  i want a nice via 3d card... heh.
[05:35] <calc> s/drivers/software/  don't use any of it ;)
[05:35] <SiRrUs> good evening
[05:36] <bestadvocate> hello persones
[05:36] <MrParker> Anyone feel like answering a newbies questions? :P
[05:36] <calc> intel makes nice 3d accel hardware with open source drivers
[05:36] <calc> like i915G/i945G
[05:36] <bestadvocate> MrParker: shoot!
[05:36] <MrParker> :)
[05:36] <synd> MrParker: sure
[05:36] <delltony_> i wish ubuntu or whoever would fix the xorg-fxglrx-driver (the ati thing) where it would one make the frame rate faster as the offical ati one and second make an actually xorg.conf file instead of xfree86
[05:36] <MrParker> okay, this is my second distro of linux (I had mandrake and hated it, this was a suggestion from a friend)
[05:37] <MrParker> anyway, I have an IDE drive and a SATA drive
[05:37] <MrParker> I ubuntu onto my IDE drive
[05:37] <MrParker> it installed the drivers for my SATA controller fine
[05:37] <MrParker> I can see the SATA controller in the device manager thing
[05:37] <MrParker> and I can see my drive attached to the controller
[05:38] <MrParker> it says that my drive is at /sys/block/sda/sda1
[05:38] <flodine> how did you do that with the satas
[05:38] <MrParker> (it's an NTFS partition)
[05:38] <MrParker> I cant access my files on there
[05:38] <smouche> synd, rats!  there's a fly in the ointment with Zinf; it's not playing all the streams that xmms, totem etc, can, for some reason.  Saying they don't exist...
[05:38] <MrParker> I dont know how to get to them
[05:38] <SuperLag> Gentlemen, I have an issue after this Ubuntu install that disturbs me.  The LED for my hard drive is solid, and I'm not sure why.
[05:38] <bestadvocate> ok do you know how to use mount from the command line?
[05:39] <SuperLag> It doesn't flash, it looks like almost constant activity
[05:39] <MrParker> I do, relatively yes
[05:39] <synd> smouche: which ones.. ill try on mine
[05:39] <cef> daniels: I've got a LOT of small things for Hoary+1.. small fixes and suggestions.. like: default ext3 options for normal installs to boost the number of reboots before an fsck
[05:40] <bestadvocate> mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/sda1 /media/*emptyfolder you make yourself* might pull it off?
[05:40] <smouche> synd, Zinf is playing all Xiph streams, but no shoutcast ones -- there's probably a plug-in for that-- checking synaptic...
[05:40] <cef> daniels: oh, and getting rid of inetd (I'm working on exactly how to do it properly)
[05:40] <notsasuke> heh, cool.
[05:40] <MrParker> okay let me try that
[05:40] <bestadvocate> MrParker make sure to make the folder first
[05:40] <hay> what does it mean if the text when booting is red?
[05:40] <calc> rw access to ntfs isn't all that useful
[05:40] <synd> smouche: im playing shoutcasts ones fine.. without an extra plugin
[05:40] <notsasuke> i deleted every directory but /home, then installed ubuntu.... and now i log into gdm, and BAM, my old KDE desktop... ubuntu-ized from debian :D
[05:40] <MrParker> I shall
[05:40] <bestadvocate> MrParker: oh and dont forget ot use sudo
[05:41] <Whiffle> anbody in here done usplash?  im trying to decide if i should put forth the effort
[05:41] <calc> cef: xinetd?
[05:41] <smouche> hmm, weird -- anyway, I'm adding some stuff for Zinf...
[05:41] <cef> calc: well, it'd make it easier for people to install xinetd anyway
[05:41] <MrParker> best
[05:41] <MrParker> I love oyu
[05:41] <MrParker> :P
[05:41] <MrParker> you*
[05:41] <bestadvocate> lol
[05:41] <cef> calc: tried removing the netkit-inetd package lately? it netbase depends on it *sigh*
[05:41] <MrParker> thanks a bunch, worked perfectly
[05:42] <bestadvocate> oh and you can make that automatically mount
[05:42] <calc> cef: ah
[05:42] <bestadvocate> just mess with /etc/fstab (i can tell you the line to write if you want)
[05:42] <daniels> cef: cool
[05:42] <synd> godddddd i have to do my microprocessors class homework >:O
[05:42] <matt_> MrParker, be careful with writing on ntfs
[05:42] <cef> calc: ass-backwards dependancies and a few files in the wrong packages that need to be moved
[05:42] <matt_> MrParker, its almost better not to use write support at all
[05:42] <synd> anyone have any knowledge with the Z80 Processor?!?
[05:42] <MrParker> okay
[05:43] <MrParker> but
[05:43] <daniels> delltony_: it's great that you have these suggestions, but if making fglrx faster was as easy as saying 'i'll make fglrx faster now', i'd do it.  do you have any specific suggestions on what to do?
[05:43] <Fackamato> synd: it's 8bit ,P
[05:43] <MrParker> if I use the regular browser
[05:43] <bestadvocate> MrParker: just change the rw into ro if you you dont want to mess up the NTFS
[05:43] <MrParker> and go to media
[05:43] <kakalto> could someone please help me? I installed japanese input support, and I've messed around with the files involved with this, and now when I press SHIFT+SPACE, japanese doesn't activate, but if I log in in japanese, pushing SHIFT+SPACE activates japanese input/
[05:43] <calc> synd: you can't run ubuntu on it ;)
[05:43] <calc> synd: what question?
[05:43] <MrParker> I already changed it
[05:43] <Wyld> where abouts do you install new mouse cursors .. and how to i activate them into usage?
[05:43] <daniels> delltony_: (bearing in mind that 8.12.10 will go straight into breezy, and I'm in the middle of preparing packages of that now.)
[05:43] <MrParker> but if I go in with the file browser
[05:43] <MrParker> and go into media and into 'sata' (the folder I created
[05:43] <cef> daniels: you're going to ubutnu down under I assume?
[05:43] <delltony_> no i wasn't really complaining i was just curious cause i always have to uninstall the ati one
[05:44] <MrParker> it goes back to the media directory and I cant see it again
[05:44] <smouche> well, anyway, synd, streamtuner is freaking wonderful!
[05:44] <delltony_> for libmessa to upgrade
[05:44] <delltony_> then put it back in
[05:44] <synd> Fackamato: yes it is : )
[05:44] <synd> Fackamato: i jsut started the class today
[05:44] <delltony_> cause the frame rates with the one on ubuntu is like 400fps where with ati's its 4000
[05:44] <daniels> cef: yeah, fo'sho
[05:44] <bestadvocate> MrParker: it?  im confused
[05:44] <synd> calc: dunno, have to look at the lab for tomorrow
[05:44] <MrParker> the file browser
[05:44] <cef> daniels: *grin*
[05:45] <calc> i haven't used z80 in many years so i probably don't remember any of it :\
[05:45] <synd> smouche: yes sir
[05:45] <synd> smouche: im glad i found it
[05:45] <delltony_> brb
[05:45] <kakalto> anyone?
[05:45] <bestadvocate> MrParker: your saying it does not show in Places-->Computer, but does in /media/sata?
[05:45] <synd> smouche: what kinda music you listening to?
[05:45] <cef> daniels: about to get 4 weeks off.. 1 week doing nothing, 1 week at lca, 1 week at UDU, and 1 week doing nothing.. and with my new lappy, I now can actually build stuff without waiting a month
[05:46] <MrParker> No, if I go into console I can see it. and browse its contents
[05:46] <kakalto> ?
[05:46] <MrParker> if I use the GUI browser it shows the folder
[05:46] <MrParker> however the folder picture for it has an X on it
[05:46] <MrParker> and when I try to enter it, it resets itself
[05:46] <bestadvocate> MrParker: thats because your browser does not have sudo access
[05:46] <MrParker> oooo
[05:46] <MrParker> okay
[05:46] <SirGrok> I feel like a total idiot saying this: I can't get my sound to work (doh! n00b shouts headed my way). I just reinstalled 5.04 from scratch and I just can't seem to get the sound working.
[05:46] <bestadvocate> MrParker: you need to chmod it
[05:46] <MrParker> but theres not a little 'lock'
[05:47] <MrParker> just the x
[05:47] <SirGrok> I have an audigy 2 card and onboard sound (audigy is my main card. I think everything is configured correctly)
[05:47] <bestadvocate> MrParker: i could be wrong... i dont have ntfs
[05:47] <smouche> synd, right now, I'm listening to some jazz; I had some electronica on before
[05:48] <Whiffle> SirGrok, if you don't need the onboard sound, disable it in bios, that will make things alot simpler.
[05:48] <synd> smouche: oo nice. im an electronica guy myself (breakbeats, trance, house)
[05:48] <notsasuke> kvirc is archaic, so is kdevelop ;p
[05:48] <notsasuke> (in hoary)
[05:48] <SirGrok> Whiffle, I thought that I had done that... I must not have. I will go and give that a spin. Back in a flash.
[05:48] <daniels> cef: hhe, nice :) sounds awesome.  amd64 laptop, I assume?
[05:48] <kakalto> could someone please help me? I installed japanese input support, and I've messed around with the files involved with this, and now when I press SHIFT+SPACE, japanese doesn't activate, but if I log in in japanese, pushing SHIFT+SPACE activates japanese input
[05:49] <MrParker> dr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-04-02 17:54 sata
[05:49] <thully> any gstreamer experts in here?  I want to create a GNOME audio profile for the AAC format used on iPods, so that I can rip music to AAC.  How would I go about doing this?
[05:49] <Whiffle> kakalto, I'd love to help ya but I don't have a clue where to start
[05:49] <MrParker> how would I make this so its not a root dir?
[05:49] <kakalto> hehe,
[05:49] <bestadvocate> MrParker chmod it (man chmod to figure it out)
[05:49] <kakalto> Whiffle, it's the attitude that counts :P
[05:49] <cef> daniels: unfortunately not.. P4 3.2 Ghz HT
[05:49] <cef> daniels: cost me $0, so I'm not complaining too much
[05:50] <Whiffle> kakalto, only 2 languages for me... english and sarcasm :D
[05:50] <Whiffle> neither of which help you
[05:50] <kakalto> :D
[05:50] <verden01> Hi i'd like to know how to download ubuntu using bittorrent?
[05:50] <bestadvocate> MrParker: or chown it(but i dont know how to chown)
[05:50] <kakalto> Whiffle, considering I speak those two fluenty aswell, no
[05:50] <daniels> cef: heh
[05:50] <Whiffle> lol
[05:50] <MrParker> hehe
[05:51] <bestadvocate> MrParker: chwon is safer but the most unsafe and easy way should be "sudo chmod 777 /media/sata"  _unsafe though_
[05:51] <geneo93> verden01:  wait till saturday
[05:51] <verden01> why?
[05:51] <geneo93> verden01:  it will be final
[05:52] <verden01> but how do i install and use bittorrent?
[05:52] <verden01> cool
[05:52] <delltony> ok back sorry about that had to reinstall my ati driver
[05:52] <synd> ok time to go back down to my other computer, brb
[05:52] <MrParker> chmod 777 didnt do anything though
[05:52] <MrParker> file permissions are still the same
[05:52] <cef> daniels: nVidia GeForceFX 5200.. 1440 x 900 screen (grr!)
[05:52] <geneo93> verden01:  get mldonkey-gui
[05:52] <smouche> isn't bittorrent installed by default with hoary-gnome?
[05:52] <bestadvocate> chown 777 /media/sata?
[05:52] <Whiffle> MrParker, what does your fstab say about that drive?
[05:52] <flodine> should i use ex3 or reiser for os
[05:53] <cef> daniels: btw: the AMD64 now has DMA! yay!
[05:53] <verden01> thanks is that for windows or linux?
[05:53] <bestadvocate> Whiffle: he has yet ot add it to fstab as far as i know
[05:53] <Whiffle> oioh
[05:53] <Whiffle> that would help..
[05:53] <MrParker> how do I view fstab?
[05:53] <bestadvocate> Whiffle: do you know the propper way to mound a NTFS for fstab?
[05:54] <daniels> cef: ah, word :)
[05:54] <bestadvocate> more /etc/fstab
[05:54] <MrParker> it doesnt show it
[05:54] <smouche> synd, good listening-- cheers!  I'm gonna hit the sack; maybe with my laptop playing in my ear all night... ;-)
[05:54] <Whiffle> i havn't mounted ntfs, but I used umask=000 for my fat32.  although you'd probably want read only..
[05:54] <HillTop> MrParker, bestadvocate,  in fstab the use of the user or users parameter will set the permissions for you  - right?
[05:54] <cef> daniels: hotplug is a pain.. 3 network cards in that machine.. one of them randomly becomes eth0, even though I added modprobe aliases
[05:55] <daniels> cef: bleh
[05:55] <bestadvocate> HillTop that sounds right...
[05:55] <MrParker> Whiffle, it doesnt show me the drive in fstab
[05:55] <cef> daniels: so now the first ethernet driver is in /etc/modules too *grin*
[05:55] <Whiffle> probably need to add a line for it then
[05:55] <daniels> heh
[05:55] <bestadvocate> MrParker /etc/fstab is there isnt it? its a small text file?
[05:56] <MrParker> bestadvocate, yes it is, but my sata drive does not show
[05:56] <bestadvocate> right you need to add it yourself
[05:56] <cef> daniels: now to try and burn something.. *grin*
[05:56] <MrParker> no idea how to do that :P
[05:56] <bestadvocate> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:57] <bestadvocate> then you add a line something like .... (one min i need to figure this out)
[05:57] <GhostFreeman> Whats the package needed to do translucent windows in Linux
[05:57] <MrParker> why does it put my sata drive in /sys/block /
[05:57] <MrParker> ?
[05:57] <Whiffle> GhostFreeman, xorg composite
[05:57] <GhostFreeman> ok
[05:58] <cef> daniels: so, who should I eventually poke about getting a package moved from universe to main?
[05:58] <bestadvocate> /dev/*whatever you put in the mount command i dont remember*       /media/sata     ext3    ro,user 0       0
[05:58] <bestadvocate> MrParker: do you got that?
[05:58] <daniels> cef: which package?
[05:58] <syn1> hoorah
[05:58] <SuperLag> Gentoo has rc-status to see which services are running... is there something equivalent in Ubuntu?
[05:58] <cef> daniels: winbind
[05:58] <MrParker> bestadvocate I didnt have a /dev/anything in the mount command
[05:58] <daniels> cef: dunno, you'll have to find someone to stand up and support it
[05:59] <cef> daniels: tends to be useful if you want to run a samba server and auth against a windows PDC
[05:59] <MrParker> ohhhhhhhhh hold on
[05:59] <daniels> yeah
[05:59] <bestadvocate> MrParker do you rember what i told you to type earlyer?
[05:59] <cef> daniels: might have to chat to whoever maintains samba
[06:00] <MrParker> yeah
[06:00] <MrParker> but wouldnt it be ntfs? not ext3...
[06:00] <bestadvocate> MrParker: etc/fstab is just a variation of that  (what part said /dev/something
[06:00] <bestadvocate> MrParker; OOPPS yes
[06:01] <flodine> is reiser better faster ext3
[06:01] <MrParker> bestadvocate okay I have added it to fstab
[06:01] <bestadvocate> MrParker: i just cut and pasted my own line :)
[06:01] <MrParker> bestadvocate what does that do? :P
[06:01] <bestadvocate> whats the line say (just make sure you got it right....
[06:01] <SuperLag> any of you guys have issues with high I/O to the hard drive in Ubuntu
[06:01] <Whiffle> flodine, supposedly reiser is faster, i dont have any experience with ext3 though
[06:01] <Whiffle> reisers worked great for me as long as I have solid hardware
[06:01] <MrParker> /dev/sda1       /media/sata     ntfs    ro,user         0       0
[06:02] <xMaximex> what should i use to play dvd movie ?
[06:02] <bestadvocate> MrParker: I am hoping this will make ubuntu automatically detect your Harddrive
[06:02] <flodine> my satas are slow why
[06:02] <MrParker> bestadvocate should I restart?
[06:02] <bestadvocate> MrParker: note this will be READ ONLY, if you want to change that make the ro, into rw
[06:02] <mebaran151_> hey
[06:03] <mebaran151_> I need to get done some scoring
[06:03] <mebaran151_> anyone know the best app to do that
[06:03] <bestadvocate> MrParker, (you could its easyer than a little command line work)
[06:03] <mebaran151_> I am willing to do text entry
[06:03] <Whiffle> i get 51 mb/s out of my 7200 rpm 8mb cacha ATA-133
[06:03] <MrParker> bestadvocate does this require me rebooting the kernal?
[06:03] <mebaran151_> 5 stave work
[06:03] <MrParker> play
[06:03] <MrParker> okay
[06:03] <MrParker> brb
[06:03] <bestadvocate> MrParker: not really required
[06:03] <mebaran151_> any of you guys musical fellows
[06:04] <bestadvocate> membaran151: i like music....
[06:04] <bestadvocate> I have 6 days worth of playlist on my computer :)
[06:04] <bestadvocate> in ogg format :)
[06:04] <flodine> anyone runing satas
[06:04] <SuperLag> flodine: yes
[06:04] <flodine> my drives are slow as f
[06:05] <flodine> why
[06:05] <cef> what's the best way to add a user to a group, without killing all the existing groups they're a member of?
[06:05] <Whiffle> flodine, what do you get when you run "sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda"
[06:06] <gardion> Has anyone gotten newsgroups to work with evolution?
[06:06] <revildab[tm] > question: with a recent update to hoary, is it normal to be apt-get upgrading 160mb worth of stuff every 3-5 days?
[06:06] <syn1> im getting some odd odd odd errors with stream tuner
[06:06] <gardion> For some reason I can add a new account but when I try loading the folders it freezes at loading.
[06:06] <bestadvocate> gardion: didnt they disable that back in like 1.5 or something rediculous (its like removing applications:///, i mean reallly!)
[06:06] <syn1> (streamtuner:7449): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[06:06] <Whiffle> yeah hoary has had lots of updates as of late
[06:07] <syn1> (streamtuner:7449): Pango-CRITICAL **: _pango_engine_shape_covers: assertion `PANGO_IS_FONT (font)' failed
[06:07] <syn1> (streamtuner:7449): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[06:07] <syn1> (streamtuner:7449): Pango-CRITICAL **: _pango_engine_shape_shape: assertion `PANGO_IS_FONT (font)' failed
[06:07] <syn1> Pango-ERROR **: file shape.c: line 75 (pango_shape): assertion failed: (glyphs->num_glyphs > 0)
[06:07] <MrParker> No such luck
[06:07] <revildab[tm] > thanks, thats what i figured, with the release fast approaching
[06:07] <syn1> anyone know what those errors are associated with??
[06:08] <MrParker> I got 'special device /dev/sda1 could not be found' at the start
[06:08] <gardion> bestadvocate: It seems that you should be able to do it in evolution.  You can add newsgroup accounts
[06:08] <Arnia> bestadvocate: applications:/// was removed because of the change to using freedesktop.org's menu specs... they're in the process of building a replacement
[06:08] <dcraven> membaran151: Does rosegarden do what you need?
[06:08] <akk> syn1: Fonts, generally.
[06:08] <syn1> akk: and how do i get em?
[06:08] <bestadvocate> Arnia: it would IMHO be more responsible to remove it _after_ a replacement was around
[06:09] <cef> what's the best way to add a user to a group, without killing all the existing groups they're a member of? (for usermod, you need to specify all the groups a user is to be a member of)
[06:09] <akk> syn1: It sounds like streamtuner is trying to open fonts that are garbled, but maybe they're just not there.
[06:09] <syn1> akk: hmm..
[06:09] <akk> syn1: I don't know streamtuner; I wonder if it's missing a dependency, or needs a config file tweaked, or something?
[06:10] <jnc> bestadvocate: i vote yes to removing non freedesktop.org stuff on a modern highpower desktop
[06:10] <andrewski> has anyone experienced freezing in hoary with openoffice, galeon, or evolution?  it's driving me up a wall.
[06:10] <Arnia> bestadvocate: Most users don't mess around with the menu layout, and I think it was considered a greater priority to share the same menu spec as XFCE, KDE etc than to have menu editing first time. Time based releases mean prioritising but the rewards for doing that are massive
[06:10] <flodine> whiffle you there
[06:10] <mebaran151> No one can answer my scoring question!
[06:10] <Arnia> Plus the old menu handling code used vfolders :p
[06:10] <andrewski> mebaran151: i can.  a thousand.
[06:10] <revildab[tm] > Question:also, is a 'debian' entry in the gnome applications menu normal for hoary?
[06:10] <mebaran151> oh really
[06:11] <mebaran151> haha
[06:11] <jnc> revildab[tm] : probably not
[06:11] <mebaran151> anyway, anyone know a good app for music notation
[06:11] <Arnia> revildab[tm] : Have you been using debian repositories?
[06:11] <mebaran151> I am wiling to deal with text entry
[06:11] <xMaximex> what should i use to play dvd movie ?
[06:11] <jnc> mebaran151: lilypond ?
[06:11] <bestadvocate> Arnia: it is a _very_ basic funcition though.....  i mean i dont even want to install KDE because of all the clutter it would cause
[06:11] <andrewski> mebaran151: rosegarden?  brahms?  lilypond?
[06:11] <xMaximex> totem-xine and xine does not work
[06:11] <hay> mebaran151: a piece of paper and a pen
[06:11] <mebaran151> hay, haha
[06:11] <revildab[tm] > yeah,  but only for like 2 or 3 packages that ubuntu didnt have
[06:11] <mebaran151> that is what I am doing
[06:11] <hay> lol
[06:11] <flodine> Whiffle you ready
[06:11] <mebaran151> rosegarden never worked
[06:11] <Whiffle> yeah im here, more or less
[06:11] <mebaran151> brahms is sort of weird
[06:11] <dcraven> mebaran151, does this do it? -->http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
[06:11] <Whiffle> flodine
[06:11] <andrewski> mebaran151: weird?
[06:11] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:12] <dcraven> mebaran151, nevermind.
[06:12] <jnc> mebaran151: lilypond i think is the one that is near perfect
[06:12] <mebaran151> it doesnt do 5 band staving correctly
[06:12] <Arnia> revildab[tm] : Debian likes adding its own menu if you use its repositories.
[06:12] <andrewski> mebaran151: he was kind of conservative, but very good music IMO.
[06:12] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:12] <Arnia> mebaran151: lilypond
[06:12] <mebaran151> haha
[06:12] <Whiffle> yeah im ready
[06:12] <mebaran151> Brahms was genius
[06:12] <flodine> ok 1720 MB in  2.00 seconds = 857.99 MB/sec
[06:12] <revildab[tm] > :\ dammit
[06:12] <mebaran151> amazing harmony
[06:12] <Whiffle> what abou the next number?
[06:12] <flodine> 156 MB in  3.01 seconds =  51.85 MB/sec
[06:12] <revildab[tm] > Arnia: any way to edit that out manually?
[06:12] <mebaran151> but doesnt lilypond need a midi file first
[06:12] <Whiffle> hmm
[06:12] <andrewski> mebaran151: i've heard good things about lilypond (you can see the finished product on their site), but i've never used it myself.
[06:12] <flodine> slow or ok
[06:12] <Whiffle> yeah it should be faster than that, thats exactly what mine gets and I don't have sata
[06:12] <Arnia> mebaran151: No... not at all. Its a proper typesetting system for music
[06:12] <andrewski> mebaran151: no, i'm pretty sure you do it in text.
[06:14] <jnc> mebaran151: lilypond is industrial strength typesetting for music notation
[06:14] <Arnia> mebaran151: It uses latex to do the rendering (its effectively latex macros)
[06:14] <andrewski> so no one has any freezes in hoary? O_o
[06:14] <Whiffle> andrewski, i do, but only if i use xorg composite
[06:14] <jnc> andrewski: i've got my fair share of troubles in hoary/amd64, but i'm waiting until the release is over before i beat up on the developers
[06:14] <dcraven> And LaTeX is sexy.
[06:14] <jnc> ;)
[06:14] <jnc> dcraven++
[06:14] <andrewski> jnc: well, now would be the time to iron out bugs....
[06:14] <flodine> Whiffle and if i move a file or movie to a diffrent drive my sys is slow
[06:14] <jnc> andrewski: not really
[06:14] <jnc> andrewski: devs are too busy
[06:14] <Whiffle> hmm
[06:14] <andrewski> jnc: when better than between RC and final?
[06:14] <Arnia> bestadvocate: It may be a basic function to you, but it isn't a base function (if you see the difference). And like I said, they wanted to move away from the horrible vfolders code and allow the use of cross-DE apps ASAP
[06:14] <SiRrUs> and after they move on to the next release
[06:14] <andrewski> Whiffle: i have it *enabled*, but not using it in any apps....  would that make a difference?
[06:15] <jnc> andrewski: i went through this already.   you should aim for the next release, not this one
[06:15] <Whiffle> xcompmgr is what kills it on mine, i have composite enabled but its not being used
[06:15] <jnc> andrewski: accordingly, the devs are quite busy with getting this release ready
[06:15] <andrewski> Whiffle: and do you have any freezes as such?
[06:15] <bestadvocate> Arnia: I see your point :) it just makes me a little upset, (this whole thing has been urking me for some time, it really hampers the user experinece, expecially with buggy menu entries like d4x :*(
[06:15] <andrewski> jnc: ready for release... wouldn't they want to have as few bugs as possible?  isn't that (part of) the point of running the development version before it's ready?
[06:16] <Arnia> bestadvocate: People have written menu editors for freedesktop.org format menu entries if you really want one now
[06:16] <Whiffle> andrewski, not really, since i stopped runnig xcompmgr,
[06:16] <dcraven> andrewski, do you use inotify?
[06:16] <Whiffle> flodine, you might play with hdparm a bit and make sure you've got all the decent settings on
[06:16] <andrewski> Whiffle: then i'm at a loss....
[06:16] <andrewski> dcraven: no
[06:16] <Whiffle> hmmm
[06:17] <jnc> andrewski: i think their goal is first and foremost to make it install properly, which i hear has been a problem
[06:17] <Arnia> bestadvocate: Its just a typical priority issue. But think, its a time-based release cycle so you know exactly when the next version will be out and until then you have a fairly nice stopgap
[06:17] <jnc> so, other priorities perhaps
[06:17] <flodine> Whiffle where is that at
[06:17] <Whiffle> andrewski, does it freeze in any other os's
[06:17] <Whiffle> flodine, should be installed already, although its a terminal based app
[06:17] <andrewski> Whiffle: uh, no other OSes here. :)  it didn't in gentoo though.
[06:17] <andrewski> jnc: yeah, you're right; those don't qualify as bugs....
[06:17] <Whiffle> hmm
[06:18] <Whiffle> andrewski, yeah mine worked great in gentoo too lol
[06:18] <andrewski> Whiffle: hmm.
[06:18] <Whiffle> andrewski, i was getting some nasty freezes up until today but i reset my bios and its been happy since.
[06:19] <Whiffle> andrewski, you might scroll through the output of "dmesg" and see if theres any obvious errors...
[06:19] <andrewski> Whiffle: problem is that i can use my computer for days but if do specific (and unreproducible) things in specific apps, X freezes.  (i can still ssh in and kill it though.)
[06:19] <Arnia> bestadvocate: Another issue or the same one?
[06:19] <andrewski> Whiffle: would any errors in dmesg be there before it freezes, or only when it does?
[06:19] <sunpascal> hi
[06:20] <Whiffle> andrewski, yes thats ahppened to me, in firefox mostly, but it hasn't done it in the last few hours
[06:20] <sunpascal> I'm new to linux. Can anyone tell me how to create shortcuts in nautilus?
[06:20] <andrewski> Whiffle: hours?  sheesh.
[06:20] <Whiffle> andrewski, well, it used to do it alot more, i havn't had any problems with it since i reset my bios
[06:20] <Whiffle> andrewski, and i didn't have any trouble before some of the more recent updates
[06:20] <Arnia> sunpascal: either right click 'make link' or drag with the middle mouse button to where you want the link to be and select make link from the popup menu that appears
[06:20] <andrewski> Whiffle: so the dmesg errors?  should i look now or when it freezes?
[06:20] <Reblended> should I reformat or can I just wipe my drive first before installing UB?
[06:21] <Whiffle> andrewski, both ? :D
[06:21] <andrewski> Whiffle: fair enough. ^_^
[06:21] <samuel> hello all
[06:22] <samuel> can anyone tell me the password for root on ubuntu? i dont remember puting one in???
[06:22] <samuel> first time on ubuntu for me
[06:22] <Arnia> samuel: You don't have one :)
[06:22] <dcraven> samuel, it's your user password.
[06:22] <Whiffle> it doesn't have one
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> samuel, there is not
[06:22] <Arnia> samuel: Use sudo
[06:22] <samuel> oh
[06:22] <dcraven> samuel, the first user you made. Use sudo.
[06:22] <sunpascal> ok, thanks, arnia. I have no idea why I didn't see this myself...
[06:23] <Espectro> (i bet this is a new question) where is hoary final?
[06:23] <dcraven> Friday.
[06:23] <andrewski> Espectro: not out yet.  see /topic
[06:23] <samuel> ok... im a little fuzzy here... ubuntu doesnt have a root user?
[06:24] <samuel> the first user i made has no access to synaptic
[06:24] <Whiffle> well, it does, but there isn'at a password for it
[06:24] <Espectro> andrewski: i asked because there isn't a topic with this info
[06:24] <andrewski> samuel: you don't switch as such.  you use sudo to gain root privileges temporarily.
[06:24] <jnc> samuel: ubuntu has a root user with disabled password.  use 'sudo bash' to gain root shell instead
[06:24] <RexM> samuel: i was a little confused, as well... i noticed if you enter your user password into synaptic.. it works
[06:24] <saik0> how can I change my gateway and primary DNS IPs from the console?
[06:24] <Whiffle> first thing i did was make a password for root
[06:24] <Espectro> but all right, i was checking all day, and thought it got delayed
[06:24] <andrewski> Espectro: well, as you can see, the topic says the RC is out.  that is, not final. :P
[06:24] <Arnia> There is no need for root
[06:24] <andrewski> saik0: ifconfig
[06:24] <jnc> samuel: the idea is one password for the whole box on most computer installs
[06:24] <Whiffle> saik0, edit /etc/network/interfaces
[06:24] <Espectro> andrewski: well, but it doesn't say "hoary delayed to friday" that should be useful
[06:24] <Arnia> Well... not for most users :)
[06:24] <dcraven> samuel, when you run synaptic as your user it will ask for a password. Enter your user password.
[06:25] <andrewski> Espectro: you said where, not when. :P  i understand you now. ^_^
[06:25] <Reblended> and don't forget it
[06:25] <saik0> andrewski, I tried man ifconfig. maybe I was'nt looking hard enough
[06:25] <Espectro> any idea of the reason of the delay? some showstopper bug?
[06:25] <Whiffle> i like having a root user, i tire of typing sudo all the time
[06:25] <samuel> i see....
[06:25] <andrewski> well, Whiffle's suggestion was also good. :)
[06:25] <dcraven> Yeah, I really wish the delay could be added to the topic.
[06:25] <samuel> i dont like this...
[06:25] <dcraven> Espectro, GNOME 2.10.1
[06:25] <samuel> how do i get root back!!!!!
[06:26] <dcraven> samuel, do a "sudo passwd" to get root back.
[06:26] <Espectro> oh i see
[06:26] <RexM> samuel: check the ubuntu wiki ;)
[06:26] <andrewski> samuel: you have to precede every command with "sudo "
[06:26] <jason_> so when are we going to officially pretend hoary is stable?
[06:26] <closure> or just use root terminal
[06:26] <andrewski> jason_: heh, that's good. :)
[06:26] <dcraven> jason_, Friday.
[06:26] <Espectro> and it wouldn't have made sense to release kubuntu before ubuntu itself...
[06:26] <RexM> hoary is stable for me
[06:26] <samuel> aaahhhhhhh......
[06:26] <samuel> much better
[06:26] <Espectro> seriously guys, add it to the topic
[06:26] <dcraven> Espectro, it's only a couple of days man :)
[06:26] <Espectro> it SHOULD be there
[06:26] <samuel> i like root
[06:26] <RexM> lol
[06:26] <andrewski> samuel: got it now?
[06:26] <Whiffle> samuel, i agree, i hate sudo
[06:26] <samuel> feel safer
[06:26] <samuel> yes
[06:27] <andrewski> samuel: yeah, i like root too, but i understand the use of sudo too.
[06:27] <closure> samuel, umm it's definitely not safer
[06:27] <samuel> thanks for the help guys...
[06:27] <closure> you can screw yourself up real nice
[06:27] <andrewski> closure: you couldn't do that with sudo?
[06:27] <samuel> closure, i know, but i use a real easy password on my normal user account...
[06:27] <closure> andrewski, yeah but it seems harder to me when you have to type sudo and think aobut it
[06:27] <samuel> so...
[06:28] <pussfeller> its harder to screw up when you have to type sudo before each command
[06:28] <Arnia> All passwords should be hard to guess :)
[06:28] <closure> *shrugs* lol use a better pass?
[06:28] <andrewski> closure: well, a good lesson is to think about every command you type as root. :)
[06:28] <samuel> the ubuntu wiki is a good place to start after switching from debian?
[06:28] <closure> andrewski, yeah
[06:28] <closure> that's what i was implying
[06:28] <Whiffle> i'm used to doing everything as root under gentoo, and i much prefer it to typing sudo all the time
[06:28] <closure> root terminal/root login you can easily break stuff
[06:28] <andrewski> closure: but typing five characters doesn't really help that AND is a nuisance. :P
[06:28] <Espectro> i like macosx approach, it caches sudo for a few minutes
[06:28] <pussfeller> if you ever deleted everything cause you accidently added a "/" to something....
[06:28] <Espectro> so i dont have to type it each second
[06:28] <samuel> i quite like the way the menus are arranged
[06:28] <Whiffle> and for one thing... sudo doesnt' seem to work with autocomplete..
[06:29] <andrewski> Espectro: doesn't sudo?
[06:29] <samuel> very nice "out of the box"
[06:29] <closure> andrewski, yeah i just figure the nuisance of it will teach you to stay out of root unless you damn well need to do something
[06:29] <andrewski> Whiffle: yeah... :(
[06:29] <pussfeller> type the command then press home and type sudo
[06:29] <Espectro> andrewski: err, now that you say it, it *should*, i guess i am nuts
[06:29] <andrewski> closure: well, if you need to do many somethings, it's downright counterproductive.
[06:29] <thully> I have a question about ripping CDs - I've been ripping with lame, and this seems slower than iTunes on Windows.  Is it supposed to be like that?
[06:29] <Espectro> heh
[06:29] <Espectro> perhaps that cache time could be increased to please some guys
[06:30] <dcraven> Espectro, all sudos do that.
[06:30] <closure> andrewski, yeah it most certainly is. but if you don't know what you're doing you're better off taking your time to begin with
[06:30] <andrewski> thully: you may be encoding with lame, but not ripping....
[06:30] <andrewski> closure: "taking your time" to think about what you do as root. :P
[06:30] <thully> OK - ripping then encoding with lame, I meant
[06:30] <Espectro> yeah i know like i said i was nuts
[06:30] <Whiffle> yeah ill keep root
[06:30] <andrewski> closure: sorry, i'm not trying to troll; sudo's use just seems limited.
[06:30] <closure> andrewski, i'm agreeing with you i was just letting him know being logged in as root it's not safe
[06:30] <Whiffle> thully, i use "abcde" its wonderful once you get it setup
[06:30] <thully> what's that do?
[06:30] <pussfeller> grip is nice too
[06:31] <Whiffle> its a ripping/encoding app
[06:31] <andrewski> closure: *potentially* not safe, but there are simple precautions.
[06:31] <Espectro> back on friday i guess... see ya
[06:31] <Whiffle> terminal
[06:31] <andrewski> thully: well, it'll depend on your ripper then.  cdparanoia takes a while, but it tries to avoid errors in ripped files.
[06:31] <kurros> thully: lame may take a bit longer than itunes encoder (i think it uses bladeenc?) for quality reasons. but make sure your cd-rom drive is using DMA as well
[06:31] <Whiffle> i've got it setup so when I put in a cd, it automatically grabs everything off CDDB, and starts ripping to my music directory in 192 kbps mp3 :D
[06:31] <andrewski> thully: i'd recommend grip.
[06:31] <andrewski> (too)
[06:31] <mebaran151> hey
[06:32] <mebaran151> I need to get midi working on my PC now
[06:32] <umarmung> andrewski: you mean su is limited compared to sudo
[06:32] <mebaran151> I have an Audigy 2
[06:32] <dcraven> Oh yeah damn the no DMA default.
[06:32] <andrewski> umarmung: obviously, that's not what i meant.
[06:32] <umarmung> andrewski: well but it is, there is nothing you cannot do with sudo
[06:32] <mebaran151> it compalins that I dont have an Emu Hwdep device loaded
[06:32] <jnc> sudo is not intrusive
[06:32] <jnc> w/ a proper keyring it works well to improve security habits
[06:32] <mebaran151> what module provides the emu synth
[06:32] <umarmung> andrewski: but there are some tricks you cannot do with su
[06:32] <thully> OK - I actually was fooling with FAAC, trying to get AAC encoding working - but, I can't get iPod compatible files out of it  - so, I guess I'll stick with MP3
[06:33] <andrewski> umarmung: yes, but it's limited to one-command invocations.  without tab completion, it's a nuisance.
[06:33] <umarmung> andrewski: sudo -s
[06:33] <umarmung> andrewski: sudo su , whatever you want, chose!
[06:33] <samuel_> aaaaaaah! this is just too sweet! there is no KDE installed!!!
[06:34] <thully> How do you turn on DMA?
[06:34] <jnc> thully: perhaps 'hdparm'
[06:34] <akk> thully: hdparm /dev/whatever -d1
[06:34] <akk> (If it works.  Sometimes it refuses.)
[06:34] <andrewski> samuel_: why is this so sweet?
[06:34] <pussfeller> no apt-get install enemy-territory?
[06:35] <iGN> Hey.
[06:35] <andrewski> pussfeller: i downloaded it and it installed just fine; i don't think they can because of licensing.
[06:35] <dcraven> thully, hardparm /dev/hdc will tell you if it is already enabled (assuming /dev/hdc is hte correct optical drive)
[06:35] <kakalto> Artemis3, are you in?
[06:35] <mebaran151> my hdparm never works
[06:35] <mebaran151> it always compalins of an deprecated ioctl
[06:35] <andrewski> mebaran151: do you have it set up wrong?
[06:35] <mebaran151> what do I do
[06:35] <thully> is the way to enable it by default?
[06:35] <ekwinix> hey guys, how do i modify what i see when i right click on my desktop?
[06:35] <mebaran151> I dont know
[06:36] <pussfeller> im emerging it, so it cant be liscencing... maybe they dont wanna clog the bandwidth with huge games
[06:36] <thully> s/the/there a
[06:36] <andrewski> pussfeller: but you can emerge sun's java too....  can't do that in ubuntu.
[06:36] <Whiffle> i kind of miss portage :D
[06:36] <samuel_> andrewski, im not a fan of KDE... i guess its just a personal thing... sorry...
[06:36] <kakalto> me too
[06:36] <pussfeller> it has its really good points
[06:36] <Levander> Anyway to know when hoary will stop being a "release candidate" and just start being a regular release?
[06:36] <kakalto> 8th
[06:37] <Whiffle> Levander, very soon..
[06:37] <Levander> cool, is there a web page or something that says that?
[06:37] <andrewski> samuel_: no problem, i don't use it either.  i was just wondering why you were so happy it's not installed.  was it before?  did you come from another distro?
[06:37] <ekwinix> damnit. i just used some of my quota getting warty :/
[06:37] <tritium> Levander, Friday
[06:37] <Levander> i've looked, can't find
[06:37] <pussfeller> but kde takes a day on this box, and the last 2 times, crashed my computer on compiling.. dont ask me how
[06:37] <kakalto> Levander, do a search at the top of ubuntulinux.org for release
[06:37] <andrewski> pussfeller: are you on ubuntu?
[06:37] <Whiffle> xfce is the way of the future! :D
[06:37] <pussfeller> my other box is
[06:37] <andrewski> Whiffle: Xfce!  hear hear!
[06:38] <pussfeller> this one will be soon, i imagine
[06:38] <Whiffle> lol xfce made my day the 2nd time i installed it
[06:38] <kakalto> yay for xfce
[06:38] <Levander> Friday? The repositories will probably hosed all weekend.  Haven't checked, can I upgrade Ubuntu off the sunsite mirrors?
[06:38] <Whiffle> tried all the *boxes , too minimal, and gnome/kde are too bloat for me...
[06:38] <closure> so
[06:38] <Levander> kakalto: did that search, don't see any page that says "releasing the 8th"
[06:38] <andrewski> Whiffle: yes, indeed.
[06:39] <closure> i've been using synaptic to install stuff and nothing is showing up on my menu's
[06:39] <closure> any ideas?
[06:39] <closure> i'm in kubuntu
[06:39] <kakalto> Levander, look at the links, one is a calender
[06:39] <samuel_> andrewski, the first distro i tried a looooong time ago was mandrake... didnt like it then... dont like it now
[06:39] <Whiffle> samiam, me too
[06:39] <dcraven> thully, put something like this in /etc/hdparm.conf to make it permanent --> http://www.pastebin.com/268285
[06:39] <andrewski> samuel_: i wondered.  me too. :)
[06:39] <Whiffle> samuel, yeah i never got mandrake to work right for me
[06:40] <andrewski> closure: are you installing kde apps?
[06:40] <closure> well yeah
[06:40] <reed> I can't burn the hoary live iso
[06:40] <pussfeller> it never upgraded properly when I tried it, even after the initial install
[06:40] <closure> i mean x apps
[06:40] <closure> bitchx-gtk and just now qtorrent
[06:40] <ekwinix> samuel_: when i right click on my desktop and then click "open terminal" is there a way of finding out what that actually does? and can i edit what i see on that right click? there has to be aconfig file somewhere...?
[06:40] <reed> it burns really fast but then the CD doesn't complete the install
[06:40] <andrewski> closure: well, perhaps the menu needs to be regenerated?  dunno how....
[06:40] <reed> i think it doesn't copy the cloop file correctly
[06:40] <reed> I'm using Hoary to burn it
[06:40] <Arnia> Whiffle: re su/sudo -- use sudo -s then
[06:40] <closure> andrewski, yeah i'd imagine maybe a reboot would do it
[06:41] <tritium> closure, not every app has a proper .desktop file yet to comply with freedesktop.org standards, so they won't all show up in menus
[06:41] <Whiffle> mm?
[06:41] <closure> but that takes far too much time
[06:41] <Arnia> It creates a root shell without needing to open up root to the outside
[06:41] <andrewski> closure: a logout should suffice.
[06:41] <Xeon3D> Apparently Ubuntu has a flaw while playing flash movies...
[06:41] <dcraven> reed, turn down the burn speed a bit?
[06:41] <Whiffle> ah
[06:41] <Whiffle> eh
[06:41] <closure> well then it doesn't work
[06:41] <Levander> kakalto: okay, found it, i'd actually seen that before, but looked like it had been written a while ago.  I've never seen a software schedule being taken seriously any longer than a month or two (i'm a software developer for a living), so I just ignored it.
[06:41] <andrewski> closure: don't reboot if you don't have to... and you usually don't unless you upgrade your kernel. :)
[06:41] <samuel_> hmm... php-mysql isnt in the packages... if i put the debian in there is it ok?
[06:41] <Whiffle> i'm a su person
[06:41] <samuel_> ekwinix, you can make a nautilus script
[06:41] <andrewski> ekwinix: in preferred applications, pick a terminal.  i bet that'd do the trick.
[06:41] <Arnia> Whiffle: alias sudo -s to su then :)
[06:41] <kakalto> Levander, it's probably been updated fairly recently
[06:41] <Whiffle> lol
[06:41] <reed> ok i'll try it
[06:42] <Levander> are they still making updates to hoary?  If we go ahead and upgrade now is it gonna be 100% the same stuff?  Or, is it gonna be 99.99% the same stuff?  How serious are the issues they are still working on?
[06:42] <andrewski> Arnia: why not alias su to sudo -s?  save typing....
[06:42] <Arnia> andrewski: That's what I meant to say :)
[06:42] <andrewski> Arnia: ah. ^_^
[06:42] <Arnia> andrewski: I always reverse stuff like that :/
[06:43] <kakalto> Levander, I expect 99.99%
[06:43] <bestadvocate> hey why does my swap drive in cfdisk say "swap / Solaris"?
[06:43] <ekwinix> andrewski: HOLLA! gnome-terminal - got it in one. cheers ;)
[06:43] <kakalto> but, Levander, I think you could upgrade now, then just update in a few days
[06:43] <andrewski> ekwinix: don't holla, it's late here and people are sleeping. :P
[06:43] <Levander> kakalto: but u have any reason to believe this? u've seen the developer's mailing list where they've talked about it?
[06:43] <Levander> the more people who've upgraded before me, i figure the less bugs I find
[06:43] <andrewski> Levander: that's what i'd recommend too; the reps are bound to be busy when it's officially released.
[06:44] <kakalto> heheh
[06:44] <Levander> andrewski: who are the reps?
[06:44] <kakalto> repositories
[06:44] <andrewski> Levander: no, the repositories... what you sync with.
[06:44] <Levander> ahhhh
[06:44] <SpyD> Hi all, I have configured nyself into a bad corner, can anyone tell me how to disable the screensaver from a terminal?
[06:44] <jnc> Levander: ;)
[06:44] <andrewski> Levander: i think it's safe to assume 99.9% since they put it off a few days.  obviously, they're not done. :P
[06:44] <jnc> Holla at this representin' gnome-terminal
[06:44] <chibifs> Jungle Boogie, doodldadoo doodldadoo?
[06:44] <samuel_> is there any way to change the gnome menus?
[06:44] <jnc> samuel_: yes, and no
[06:45] <bj_> hello, is anyone runniing the new nvidia drivers in hoary? 7174 i think
[06:45] <Levander> u know i just found the ubuntu mirrors, i wonder why they're not just using sunsite?  Their are sunsite mirrors everywhere and most distributions are in susite.  At least last I checked, it's been a couple of years.
[06:45] <jnc> samuel_: it's being worked on as part of the freedesktop.org spec
[06:45] <andrewski> bj_: me.
[06:45] <samuel_> jnc, hmmm......
[06:45] <chibifs> Indeed, bj_, and Flawlessly.
[06:45] <jnc> samuel_: the people to beat up on are in #freedesktop
[06:45] <samuel_> jnc, so not yet?
[06:45] <reed> does the hoary live cd have the capability of installing hoary?  if so what is the difference between it and the hoary install cd?
[06:45] <andrewski> jnc: why so?
[06:45] <bj_> andrewski, can you use xcompmgr or will you desktop lock up
[06:45] <kakalto> reed, no, livecd can't install, I don't think
[06:45] <jnc> samuel_: Ubuntu will follow whatever the grand high nerd decrees is the way to manage menus on modern desktops
[06:45] <andrewski> bj_: my desktop's been locking up occasionally without it. :P
[06:45] <kakalto> reed, it's gentoo's livecds that can install
[06:45] <jnc> his/her nerdliness, if you will
[06:46] <samuel_> jnc, hahahahaha
[06:46] <andrewski> jnc: why is that a #freedesktop concern?
[06:46] <jnc> sorry
[06:46] <jnc> a bit of a pope saturation here in the states
[06:46] <reed> kakalto, thanks
[06:46] <Burgundavia> reed: live cd can't install, but the live cd and the install cd use the same hardware detection, and thus should work and look the same
[06:46] <jnc> it's everywhere.   makes me say things i don't really mean
[06:46] <kakalto> reed, no problem ;)
[06:47] <bj_> andrewski,  niice haha. well im concerned because i cant get into KDE because i set  it to use compostiting features, and plus xcompmgr looks good.
[06:47] <kakalto> although, Burgundavia, the livecd screwed up my mouse, but did the install? No.
[06:47] <jnc> andrewski: freedesktop makes it so, ubuntu follows suit
[06:47] <andrewski> bj_: well, turn it off?
[06:47] <Burgundavia> kakalto: then that would be a bug
[06:47] <bj_> oh its off
[06:47] <andrewski> jnc: but gnome doesn't provide an editor.  why is that freedesktop's concern?
[06:47] <kakalto> the livecd isn't directly ubuntu, is it?
[06:47] <bj_> but it shouldnt be!
[06:47] <Burgundavia> jnc, andrewski: techically, freedesktop says what goes, gnome follows, ubuntu follows gnome
[06:47] <Burgundavia> insert kde where gnome is as well
[06:47] <andrewski> Burgundavia: yes, i'm not confused there.
[06:48] <synd> ugh im getting an error while trying to upgrade
[06:48] <andrewski> Burgundavia: i don't understand why jnc is saying to bug freedesktop for not providing a menu editor in gnome.
[06:48] <Burgundavia> that is not freedesktops problem
[06:48] <synd> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem
[06:48] <Burgundavia> it is gnome's problem
[06:48] <SpyD> i have configed a screensafer that my video card does not like, so the second i open the screensaver config dialog my desktop locks up, I have a minute or so then the saver kicks in and locks me up, so i really need to fins where the setting is stored in a config file and change it via terminal or text editor :(
[06:48] <andrewski> Burgundavia: yes, i know.
[06:48] <synd> so i do dpkg -- configure -a and it just sits there
[06:48] <Burgundavia> and it mask the underlying issue, which is that the packages need to be updated to include .desktop files
[06:49] <andrewski> Burgundavia: i have a menu editor in Xfce.  it's called gvim. :D
[06:49] <synd> Setting up openoffice.org-gtk-gnome (1.1.3-8ubuntu2) ... // debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process // run-parts: /usr/share/openoffice.org-debian-files/hooks/postinst.d/prelink exite d with return code 1
[06:49] <synd> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org-gtk-gnome (--configure): // subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 // Setting up sound-juicer (2.10.1-0ubuntu1) ...
[06:49] <synd> and it just sits there
[06:50] <RexM> synd: i believe the term for that is, PWNED ;x
[06:50] <synd> synd: right
[06:50] <synd> RexM: right
[06:50] <kakalto> could someone please help me? I have no support for japanese input when logged in in english, but if I log in in japanese, it works?
[06:51] <RexM> that actually make sense to me... but.. i dunno, i'm no linux expert
[06:51] <bestadvocate> see yah persones
[06:51] <isam> good morning all .. there is this issue that I had been facing for some time .. when using the Nvidia driver, KDE 3.4 fails to login .. the whole system hangs up at KDE Splash showing time
[06:51] <bj_> OK another one. howcome the memory usage panel applet  doesnt report the right amount.
[06:51] <jnc> kakalto: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:51] <isam> when I switch from nvidia to nv things work fine
[06:51] <bj_> It goes up to 100% usage sometimes
[06:51] <kakalto> jnc, thanks
[06:52] <isam> and when I use a light Window Managers things go fine as well
[06:52] <jnc> kakalto: good luck.  i have a korean friend and worked with him to make korean work on ubuntu
[06:52] <kakalto> doesn't work
[06:52] <jnc> kakalto: it's easier than it is for most distros, but still takes some work
[06:52] <kakalto> I already have the japanese locale installed
[06:53] <jnc> jp_*UTF8  something like that
[06:53] <kakalto> I already installed it
[06:53] <jnc> hmmm
[06:54] <jnc> not sure.   sleepy time for jnc
[06:54] <kakalto> g'night jnc
[06:54] <kakalto> thanks anyway
[06:56] <kkathman> good evening all :)
[06:56] <kakalto> good afternoon.
[06:56] <kkathman> and good afternoon to you too :)
[06:57] <Whiffle> its almost midnight here...yall are crazy!
[06:57] <kakalto> I don't suppose you know much about lanugage support?
[06:57] <kkathman> ditto here Whiffle :)
[06:57] <Myrtti> morning all
[06:57] <kakalto> specifically, japanese?
[06:57] <mlambie> it's 1PM here :)
[06:57] <kakalto> someone had to :P
[06:57] <mlambie> and i'm going to work
[06:57] <mlambie> byebye
[06:57] <kkathman> kakalto, Im never quite sure what to say...perhaps "Good Day?"
[06:57] <Whiffle> how about "hello"
[06:57] <kakalto> hehe
[06:57] <kakalto> or "hi"
[06:57] <kkathman> LOL
[06:58] <kakalto> or "yo, wazzup niggas"
[06:58] <kkathman> ROFL
[06:58] <Whiffle> i like that last one
[06:58] <kakalto> (no offence intended or reccomended)
[06:58] <Reblended>  does ubuntu has a kind of sleep mode?
[06:58] <Whiffle> "yo wazzup homies, hows the cheese?"
[06:58] <Burgundavia> kakalto: I realize none intended, but it is best to avoid such talk
[06:58] <Whiffle> Reblended , i'm not sure, it might..depends on your hardware
[06:58] <kkathman> wazzup ma brothas?
[06:58] <kakalto> Burgundavia, true that.
[06:59] <Myrtti> sexual inequality
[06:59] <Myrtti> what about me
[06:59] <root__> hi
[06:59] <Burgundavia> salut root__
[06:59] <kkathman> hmm good point Myrtti I apologize whole heartedly :)
[06:59] <root__> Does anyone here know how where I can find E17 debs ?
[06:59] <Myrtti> \o/
[07:00] <Burgundavia> root__: E17 hasn't been released yet, afaik
[07:00] <Reblended> Whiffle: sounds like most people just leave their machine running... hmm no one likes standby or hibernate?
[07:00] <kkathman> I woke up this morning to 118 updates from yesterday to Hoary...that was alot I thought :)
[07:00] <root__> I know there are .debs that are upgraded every while or so.
[07:00] <root__> There are Ubuntu users that have them.
[07:00] <Whiffle> I shut mine off at night, my hardware doesn't do standby well
[07:00] <Reblended> ic
[07:00] <pussfeller> is it "nohide" you use for exports when you have differnt parttions mounted on a share and you want to share them all
[07:00] <Reblended> thx
[07:00] <Whiffle> if i have something to download or compile ill let it run
[07:00] <Burgundavia> the ones in hoary are E16
[07:00] <Whiffle> but it takes less than a minute to boot so I dont really worry about it
[07:01] <Burgundavia> root__: http://xcomputerman.com/pages/archives/2003/03/02/e17-debian-packages/
[07:01] <Whiffle> although its great in the winter to keep my dorm room warm :D
[07:01] <Burgundavia> root__: just be careful about what you install and from where
[07:01] <kkathman> best to stay within the Ubuntu/Debian family I suspect
[07:01] <root__> Or CVS.
[07:01] <root__> Well my system isn't mission critical.
[07:02] <kkathman> true that
[07:02] <root__> The only reason I'm not using Gentoo is because I don't have time to compile everything, and GRP has bad support.
[07:02] <Dethread> the only thing I like about Gentoo are the forums
[07:02] <kkathman> Have heard only bits and pieces about Gentoo actually
[07:02] <Whiffle> gentoo forums rock
[07:02] <Whiffle> i still use them sometimes
[07:02] <kakalto> the reason I don't use gentoo is my soundcard isn't supported :(
[07:02] <pussfeller> good tuts and how toos
[07:03] <Whiffle> only thing I didn't stick with gentoo is i got lazy and tired of compiling, other than that i lvoed it
[07:03] <Reblended> http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_apmsleep.htm  < does this write the ram to the HD?
[07:03] <synd> whats the lib i need for xmms to work with mp3s and such?
[07:03] <kkathman> yeah Im not into doing a ton of compiling
[07:03] <root__> Gentoo is great.
[07:03] <pussfeller> im just tired of having to fix things and configure things
[07:03] <root__> Does anyone know any Gensplash like thing I could get going for Ubuntu ?
[07:03] <pussfeller> im tired tired tired of it
[07:03] <root__> Well for new hardware Gentoo is great.
[07:04] <root__> I'm 16 and Gentoo was easiest for me.
[07:04] <kkathman> I tried RH9, Libranet, FC3 and now Ubuntu, and the latter seems to be best for me and my environment at least for now
[07:04] <kakalto> FC3 was alright
[07:04] <Whiffle> yeah once I figured out what hardware I had, gentoo was smoooth for me
[07:04] <kakalto> but there was something funny about it
[07:04] <scottj> anyone know how to change /proc/cpufreq from userspace to performance?
[07:04] <kkathman> FC3 was heavy tho
[07:04] <Whiffle> root__ , usplash
[07:04] <Reblended>  suspend2disk  ... will this write the current RAM to the Harddisk... ?
[07:04] <kakalto> maybe I'm just not used to a bloated distro
[07:04] <synd> ughh how do i get music player to play radio streams...
[07:04] <synd> it just freezes on me
[07:05] <kkathman> synd what player are you using?
[07:05] <synd> i need some sort of lib and i cant remember what it is
[07:05] <scottj> anyone know how to make firefox pretend to be IE (have it tell the web servers it's IE)
[07:05] <synd> kkathman: Music Player
[07:05] <Whiffle> Reblended , I think what you're looking for is "swsusp2"
[07:05] <kkathman> synd, you might need the gstreamer player
[07:05] <synd> kkathman: xmms does the same thing
[07:05] <Reblended> I use dBpowerAMP
[07:05] <Reblended>  to rip
[07:05] <synd> kkathman: yeah, thats it
[07:05] <kkathman> sorry not player, engine
[07:05] <Reblended> Whiffle: thx man
[07:06] <synd> kkathman: i cant remember what the whole engine name was
[07:06] <root__> So about E17
[07:06] <kkathman> gstreamer08 something..you can find it with apt-cache search
[07:06] <root__> Who knows where I can go about that ?
[07:06] <santiago> hi, anyone could help to verify a broken dependency for sl-modem-daemon ?
[07:06] <Burgundavia> root__: read the 3rd comment on that page
[07:06] <pussfeller> gstreamer plugins?
[07:06] <Burgundavia> santiago: sure
[07:06] <Reblended> dbpowerAMP ignores copy protection
[07:06] <chazwurth> root__: I installed it from cvs on a Debian box some weeks ago, wasn't too hard
[07:06] <chazwurth> root__: which isn't to say that everything worked smoothly :P
[07:06] <scottj> Burgundavia, what page?
[07:06] <kkathman> I couldnt ever get Amarok to play CD's with any engine, but everything else did, and Kaffeine does radio streams too
[07:07] <Burgundavia> santiago: confirmed
[07:07] <Burgundavia> santiago: file in Malone
[07:07] <ryman> Burgundavia, can you help me with the sound ?
[07:07] <Burgundavia> santiago: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[07:07] <santiago> Burgundavia, thanks
[07:07] <Burgundavia> scottj: http://xcomputerman.com/pages/archives/2003/03/02/e17-debian-packages/
[07:07] <kkathman> Linux sound seems to be the biggest bugaboo
[07:08] <santiago> Burgundavia, i haven't reported a bug in ubuntu
[07:08] <Burgundavia> santiago: that is for Universe stuff
[07:08] <Burgundavia> santiago: bugzilla.ubuntu.com for anything that is in main
[07:08] <santiago> is that malone?
[07:09] <Burgundavia> santiago: malone != bugzilla
[07:09] <Burgundavia> malone is the new replacement
[07:09] <santiago> Burgundavia, i see...
[07:10] <pussfeller> anyone using mpd on ubuntu?
[07:10] <santiago> Burgundavia, the reportbug doesn't work?
[07:10] <Burgundavia> santiago: are you signed in?
[07:10] <Burgundavia> santiago: malone is very beta at this point
[07:10] <kakalto> what are some kde media players?
[07:10] <Reblended> hoary hedgehog is latest?
[07:10] <santiago> Burgundavia, signed where?
[07:10] <Burgundavia> it is being tested by the universe stuff, then the main stuff will be moved over
[07:10] <Burgundavia> santiago: logged in
[07:10] <scottj> so what happened to hoary today? did they find some release critical bug?
[07:11] <Burgundavia> Reblended: yes, hoary is almost released. should be this friday
[07:11] <kakalto> or saturday for me :(
[07:11] <Burgundavia> scottj: moved back to allow testing of Gnome 2.10.1
[07:11] <santiago> Burgundavia, not yet, loggin in...
[07:11] <Reblended> oh wait... I'm looking at 5.04 release candidate?
[07:11] <ryman> Burgundavia, is it mean by this friday. the sound is going to work ?
[07:11] <kkathman> Reblended, yes
[07:11] <Burgundavia> Reblended: there is newer
[07:12] <Reblended> so, the live cd candidate is ok to give it a go.. and I can wait till Friday?
[07:12] <ryman> do i need to download new one or I can just update the package from my comp ?
[07:12] <kkathman> Reblended, you could download and burn the CD, then just get the updates to bring it up to date
[07:12] <Reblended> oh sweet
[07:12] <ryman> oh
[07:12] <Wyld> i'm thinking of using esd .. so i can have multiple streams going through like teamspeak, xmms, and a game (usually WoW or NWN at the moment) .. any advice?
[07:12] <Reblended> ok.. may I install from the live cd as well?
[07:12] <scottj> Burgundavia, boy am I glad I didn't wait for the release to install it
[07:12] <HrdwrBoB> Wyld: buy a soundblaster live :)
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> (no, I'm serious)
[07:13] <kkathman> Reblended, well you can try it from the Live CD, but it wont physically install it to your hard drive
[07:13] <Reblended> oh.. bummer.. ok thx
[07:13] <Wyld> hehehe .. i'm using my onboard sound .. nforce2, so whilst its not a SB, its not half bad
[07:13] <pussfeller> ryman alot of stuff in the reposotories is different than what on the rc disk, so you could just dist-upgrade
[07:13] <pussfeller> that might fix your problem
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> Wyld: no the point is, a soundblaster live is reasonably cheap and the driver allows multiple streams at once
[07:14] <ryman> dist-upgrade ?
[07:14] <Wyld> ahh kay
[07:14] <pussfeller> yes, it updates everything
[07:14] <chazwurth> and the sound is great
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> so realistically that's the best option
[07:14] <ryman> oh
[07:14] <ryman> i've been updating. I just downloaded and installed 97 packages today
[07:14] <scottj> anyone know of a really good game for linux that's not very well known? The best one I've been able to find is cube (http://wouter.fov120.com/cube/), but I'd like something new.
[07:14] <Whiffle> i got my santa cruz for 12 bucks, its made me smile :D
[07:14] <e_machinist> Hey, has anyone gotten MOHAA running under Ubuntu?
[07:15] <Wyld> time to go searching me thinks
[07:15] <kkathman> Wyld I saw a few on eBay recently
[07:15] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Do you have a link to the installer?
[07:15] <pussfeller> what kinda card is it anyways
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> you can get them for $35AU iirc
[07:15] <Burgundavia> scottj: try glest
[07:16] <pussfeller> scottj, enemy territory fortress
[07:16] <Burgundavia> scottj: neverball?
[07:16] <Reblended> you can't play 3D windows games on ubuntu!
[07:16] <Reblended> no way
[07:16] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, http://www.icculus.org/~ravage/mohaa
[07:16] <EvilIdler> scottj: There's also a UFO clone with the Quake engine
[07:16] <Whiffle> sure you can
[07:16] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Cheers. I'll see if I have the box somewhere around here :)
[07:16] <Whiffle> wine, cedega..
[07:16] <e_machinist> Anyone know how to get MOHAA to actually run under Ubuntu? It installs fine, SDL always gives me the error that it can't start the opengl subsystem.
[07:17] <pussfeller> both the serious sam games work with icculus patches
[07:17] <Whiffle> i had Warcraft 3, MOH, etc under regular wine in gentoo, havn't triedi n ubuntu
[07:17] <Reblended> ubuntu will make me the enemy of Bill?
[07:17] <Whiffle> anyway im out, tired
[07:17] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: It's based on the Quake 3 engine, isn't it?
[07:17] <e_machinist> Reblended, I'm using the linux build of MOHAA.
[07:17] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, yes.
[07:17] <Reblended> e_machinist: looking it up
[07:17] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Investigate the +ref_gl flag while I try to find my game :)
[07:17] <pussfeller> if you have an actual error, you could try #icculus
[07:17] <Whiffle> one of these days im going to completely blow away my windows partition, but that won't be till after college :(
[07:17] <scottj> EvilIdler, what's UFO?
[07:18] <Reblended> I'm not a gamer, just had that question
[07:18] <e_machinist> +ref_gl flag? oh man... I don't know where that would be located at.
[07:18] <Reblended> what are RPMs?
[07:18] <Reblended> packages?
[07:18] <pussfeller> yes
[07:19] <Reblended> ah
[07:19] <kakalto> for red hat, fedora, mandrake, etc.
[07:19] <Reblended> ty
[07:19] <pussfeller> red hat, mandrake, tohers
[07:19] <EvilIdler> scottj: UFO:Enemy Unknown, also known as XCOM, is one of the greatest turn-based tactical/strategy games ever. Some people wrote a nice clone, which you shoud find from linuxgames.com or happypenguin.org
[07:19] <Reblended> ohhhyes
[07:19] <Burgundavia> scottj: look for ufoai
[07:19] <Reblended> I remember xcom! had it on a 3.5
[07:20] <EvilIdler> Reblended: I've bought the game many times over, whenever a new system came along :)
[07:20] <Reblended> lol EI
[07:20] <Reblended> I've never owned a console
[07:20] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, where is the +ref_gl flag located at?
[07:20] <Reblended> only pc's
[07:20] <Burgundavia> UFO is a serious cult game. There has never been a good sequel
[07:20] <santiago> bye ubuntu
[07:20] <santiago> Burgundavia, thanks
[07:20] <Reblended> l8r sant
[07:20] <Burgundavia> santiago: np
[07:21] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: It can be added to the command line, or in the base/config file, I think
[07:21] <santiago> ubuntu's great
[07:21] <ryman> Burgundavia, if I install warty will my sound work ?
[07:21] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Downloading now, and I found the CDs
[07:21] <ryman> and is it easy to upgrade to hoary later on ?
[07:21] <e_machinist> base/config would be in the MOHAA install directory?
[07:21] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Either that, or if Icculus was awake, in your home directory
[07:21] <vessuvius> anyone running hoary yet? I'm installing it now
[07:22] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Might be a .loki folder, .mohaa or something
[07:22] <Reblended> linux halflife is opensource?
[07:22] <EvilIdler> vessuvius: Lots of people running Hoary here :)
[07:22] <EvilIdler> Reblended: Nope
[07:22] <vessuvius> cool :)
[07:22] <Reblended> ahh k
[07:22] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, by default the game installs in /home/username/mohaa folder
[07:22] <EvilIdler> Reblended: There's no source released for the actual HL engine
[07:22] <vessuvius> I've installed a bunch of distros over the past week or so...
[07:22] <Reblended> ic
[07:22] <e_machinist> the .mohaa etc would be hidden I assume.
[07:22] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: No such thing as hidden to the command line :)
[07:23] <hay> vessuvius: u should've waited until friday when the stable release comes out
[07:23] <e_machinist> True. haha.
[07:23] <stuNNed> e_machinist LOL funny nick :)
[07:23] <Reblended> commands easy to learn in UB?
[07:23] <e_machinist> stuNNed, why is it funny?
[07:23] <kakalto> how do I make the uim input method switcher be on by default?
[07:23] <vessuvius> oh well :)
[07:23] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: You're not sickly thin, by any chance?
[07:23] <e_machinist> nope.
[07:23] <kakalto> ?
[07:23] <stuNNed> e_machinist as in emachines machinist?  the way i read it...sorry
[07:24] <Reblended> how to play dvd's in ubuntu?
[07:24] <Reblended> Ogle?
[07:24] <wezzer> ogle is one alternative, yes
[07:24] <EvilIdler> Reblended: Ogle, VLC, Xine, MPlayer, and more
[07:24] <wezzer> is hoary released?
[07:24] <Reblended> tx EI
[07:25] <EvilIdler> wezzer: Tomorrow
[07:25] <vessuvius> I kept having problems with bind on fedora, could get it to resolve on the dns server, but not on my other machines, so I was lookin around and thought I'd just start the whole thing over again with ubuntu
[07:25] <ice_1963> go get fadora
[07:25] <wezzer> EvilIdler: ok, thanks
[07:25] <EvilIdler> vessuvius: Do you need full bind? I know I've seen some minimal workalikes
[07:26] <Reblended> wezzer: Friday
[07:26] <Reblended> (almost Tomorrow)
[07:26] <vessuvius> EvilIdler... I just wanted a very small local domain... a couple machines
[07:27] <pussfeller> dnsmasq is pretty cool, dont know how it stacks up to major dns needs tho
[07:27] <vessuvius> but I want dns, not host files
[07:27] <Burgundavia> Reblended:  the easiest way to play dvds in to install libdvdcss2 out of the debian marilliat repo
[07:27] <kakalto> BRB
[07:27] <Burgundavia> Reblended: totem will then be able to play dvds
[07:27] <Reblended> ty
[07:27] <Reblended> I hope what you have said makes sense with time.
[07:27] <Reblended> =)
[07:27] <Burgundavia> Reblended: should autoplay as well
[07:27] <EvilIdler> vessuvius: Yeah, but there might be alternatives to bind just for small LANs, a step above hostfiles
[07:27] <pussfeller> dnsmasq handles the host names and does dhcpotionally too
[07:27] <Burgundavia> Reblended: see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:28] <Reblended> thx
[07:28] <vessuvius> EvilIdler, I hope so :)
[07:29] <vessuvius> I had it working just fine on the dns server... makes me wonder if it was my router, but I set it up right I thought
[07:29] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, I found a .loki file and a .mohaa file... nothing in the mohaa file, but the .loki has some junk in there.
[07:29] <vessuvius> could ping the dns machine, but never get a response on port 53
[07:29] <e_machinist> I meant directory, haha.
[07:30] <Reblended> my mom wants to still be able to use *gasp Outlook Express to download her Hotmail... use wine and installn OE?
[07:30] <vessuvius> use thunderbird and tell her to quit being such an old lady
[07:30] <Burgundavia> Reblended: try thunderbird on her
[07:30] <pussfeller> heh
[07:30] <Burgundavia> Reblended: very similar
[07:30] <Vandrei_Jaques> Reblended, use the Thunderbird is very good and superior of OE
[07:31] <dazed|>  i have a question someone might be able to answer...on my laptop...my ubuntu login screen the res is way off and the screen is too big for the monitor and all i can see is the login box (its all i need but...) , but when i log into gdm then the res is perfectly fine what do i need to do to fix this?
[07:31] <Reblended> ok... but no incorporation with hotmail?
[07:31] <pussfeller> oe doesnt do that anymore anyways unless you pay or have an old account
[07:31] <kakalto> w00t!
[07:31] <Reblended> uhh... :-) still works in OE 5 on win 98 machine
[07:31] <Burgundavia> dazed|: hmm
[07:32] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: It's installing now..took some massaging, since it's an AMD64 system
[07:32] <dazed|> its an x thing i belive Burgundavia
[07:32] <Reblended> (not playing for hotmail btw)
[07:32] <mcrawfor> heya - how do I get GDM to use my .Xclients file?
[07:32] <Burgundavia> Reblended: only works in oe and o, as it is not pop they speak to each other
[07:32] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, I see, you lucky devil.
[07:32] <Reblended> yes.. http.. not pop
[07:32] <gardion> Anyone remember where the release scheduel for ubuntu is?
[07:32] <Reblended> hmm
[07:33] <gardion> I've seen it on their site but I can't remember where.
[07:33] <vessuvius> I'm sure someone's hacked it as a plugin for thunderbird
[07:33] <Reblended> oh sweet
[07:33] <Burgundavia> gardion: going to be released this friday
[07:33] <Reblended> thx for the hope
[07:33] <Arnia> dazed|: I'm having that problem too. ATI card?
[07:33] <Burgundavia> gardion: 5.10 in Oct sometime
[07:33] <Reblended> in 28 yours
[07:33] <Reblended> hour
[07:33] <dazed|> nahh its an onboard hp card arnia
[07:34] <gardion> Burgundavia: I remeber also seeing a schedule for what would be released when.   But thanks for letting me know about friday release.
[07:34] <mcrawfor> does anyone know?  I remeber being able to drop a .Xclients file into my homedir on other distros, and have that start my WM and so forth...
[07:34] <dazed|> Arnia, i have been asking for weeks i doubt well get this fixed hahah
[07:34] <Burgundavia> gardion: they haven't picked a date for Breezy 5.10 yet
[07:34] <vessuvius> http://webmail.mozdev.org/index.html
[07:34] <vessuvius> try that
[07:34] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, did it take forever to install the junk on the first CD for you as well?
[07:35] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: CD2 was just done - now it's asking for CD1
[07:35] <Reblended> thx ves!
[07:35] <vessuvius> np
[07:35] <mcrawfor> hmm - is there another ubutu channel for techical questions?
[07:35] <Burgundavia> vessuvius: that is nice, never heard about it
[07:35] <Xeon3D> Is anyone here using an NVidia SoundStorm as an "audio card" ?
[07:35] <pussfeller> you could use gotmail and pipe it to procmail and then at least, she would have her hotmail in her inbox
[07:35] <Burgundavia> mcrawfor: not really
[07:35] <pussfeller> tho she wouldnt be able to send
[07:35] <Burgundavia> mcrawfor: shoot
[07:35] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, oh yah, that is what I meant. The first install cd, or CD 2. haha.
[07:35] <e_machinist> sorry.
[07:35] <mcrawfor> .xclients - i remember using that in my homedir to start my wm
[07:35] <Xeon3D> mcrawfor, what's bugging you...
[07:36] <mcrawfor> can I do that with ubuntu?
[07:36] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: CD1 was really quick
[07:36] <chavo> mcrawfor, use .xsession
[07:36] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Or the first CD or whatever :)
[07:36] <mcrawfor> okay
[07:36] <mcrawfor> i'll try that
[07:36] <mcrawfor> brb
[07:36] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, haha.
[07:36] <chavo> mcrawfor, it will come up as default
[07:36] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: The progressbar isn't updating while it's working, though
[07:37] <chavo> or custom
[07:37] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, yah, it does that on CD1 /second install CD.
[07:37] <vessuvius> I'm a bit worried... when in the install does it ask you about the placement of the mbr?
[07:38] <EvilIdler> vessuvius: I think it figures it out. If you make Linux partitions on any other drive than hda, it'll ask you if you'd rather have the MBR there
[07:38] <kakalto> can I have 2 versions of a program installed at the same time, eg. Firefox normal, then firefox-different-language?
[07:38] <mcrawfor> chavo: Perfect!
[07:38] <mcrawfor> thanks a million
[07:38] <vessuvius> oh there it did :)
[07:38] <chavo> no problem
[07:38] <mcrawfor> now - where should i have found that out myself?
[07:38] <Reblended> is there a similar program to SpaceMonger for UB? <visual hard disk analysis by file size>
[07:39] <vessuvius> ut oh
[07:39] <kakalto> anyone?
[07:39] <vessuvius> can't install grub on /dev/hda2 fatal error!
[07:39] <Reblended> I can in windows, Kaka
[07:39] <Reblended> can't you install under another user?
[07:40] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: The disc labelled #1 is definitely taking forever
[07:40] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, once you get it installed and try to run it tell me what happens for you.
[07:40] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, you using Nvidia or ATI card?
[07:40] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: By the way, my game is called "Allied Advance". Must be the Euro name..
[07:40] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: NVidia. Just tested glxgears, and got 3621fps. I guess that's OK.
[07:40] <scottj> Burgundavia, is glest available for linux? on the site all I see is .exe for windows
[07:40] <e_machinist> The installer says "Allied Assault" on mine.
[07:40] <vessuvius> ut oh
[07:41] <Reblended> so just about any program that has TUX next to it, should work on UB?
[07:41] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, which beta installer did you download?
[07:41] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: The installer says Assault, yes. The game box can't agree :)
[07:41] <Burgundavia> scott: yes
[07:41] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, oh, haha. Weird.
[07:41] <vessuvius> I have xp installed on /dev/hda1, and have it set /boot on /dev/hda2, so I want to install grub there... but the install keeps failing on there :-(
[07:41] <vessuvius> any ideas?
[07:41] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: mohaa-lnx-1.11-beta3
[07:42] <Burgundavia> scottj: deb http://apt.linex.org/ cl juegalinex
[07:42] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Trying to launch it now..
[07:42] <vessuvius> does grub care what filesystem its installed on? I just used reiserFS for everything
[07:42] <scottj> Burgundavia, how can I check what other games that repository has?
[07:43] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: I get an error about not being able to load default.config
[07:43] <Burgundavia> scott: just going to the website
[07:44] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Do you have a default.config file anywhere in the game directory?
[07:44] <locomorto> hey guys
[07:44] <Reblended> lo
[07:44] <MM2> vessuvius: I got failed grub install also, but lilo installed fine :)
[07:44] <kakalto>
[07:44] <asubedi> i installed gstreamer-ffmpeg but when i play mpeg4 files, i do not get sound
[07:44] <locomorto> grub has always worked fine for me
[07:45] <locomorto> and thtas across two hoary, one wart and one Fedora core 3 installs
[07:45] <asubedi> is there a way to get sound while playing mpeg4 files?
[07:45] <vessuvius> hmmm I don't want lilo :-p
[07:45] <kakalto> locomorto, same with me, 2 gentoo, 3 fedora core, 4 or 5 ubuntu warty
[07:45] <kakalto> no problems with grub
[07:45] <kakalto> so long as I keep it simple
[07:46] <Reblended> cedega can run windows apps too?
[07:46] <kakalto> theoretically
[07:46] <Reblended> cool
[07:46] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, no, do you?
[07:46] <Reblended> I love freeware
[07:46] <kakalto> although it's more aimed at games
[07:46] <vessuvius> I'm going to try with /dev/hda2 as ext3
[07:46] <kakalto> Reblended, I think WINE is more aimed at applications
[07:46] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: No, and the game refuses to start without it :/
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> no, crossover office
[07:47] <Reblended> KaKalTo: so, if I install both wine and Cedega... so I have to install 2x?
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> works very nicely
[07:47] <Reblended> if I want to try it out with both?
[07:47] <Burgundavia> if you running aps, use crossover office
[07:47] <Burgundavia> they employ the lead wine hacker
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> yes
[07:47] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, mine will go past that part saying it can't exec config.cfg or whatever, then it tries to enable the graphics.... SDL_GetError, could not load opengl
[07:47] <Burgundavia> transgaming, who put out cedega, have given NO source code back
[07:47] <e_machinist> Pretty annoying.
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> i have installed Dreamweaver MX with flash under crossover
[07:47] <locomorto> yes they have
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> and IE
[07:47] <Reblended> cool, Nom
[07:48] <kakalto>  is crossover free?
[07:48] <locomorto> cedega have released the source
[07:48] <Reblended> and the plugins work too!
[07:48] <nomasteryoda> no
[07:48] <Reblended> ~$30
[07:48] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: I ran strace to find where it wanted the file, and created an empty file. Still won't go any further :/
[07:48] <locomorto> you really need to get your facts staight and stop knocking what you dont know
[07:48] <nomasteryoda> nominal cost
[07:48] <nomasteryoda> to help cover development
[07:48] <Reblended> truly
[07:48] <kakalto> if I could find a place to supply me...
[07:48] <Reblended> they gotta eat too
[07:48] <Burgundavia> locomorto: but it can't be merged back into the wine tree
[07:48] <nomasteryoda> ,,,uno, pay for beer
[07:48] <Reblended> heh
[07:48] <scottj> anyone know how to make firefox say it is IE?
[07:48] <Reblended> < dry
[07:48] <nomasteryoda> ys
[07:48] <locomorto> and thats their fault?
[07:48] <vessuvius> I want to install grub on /boot right?
[07:48] <nomasteryoda> add the extension
[07:49] <Burgundavia> scottj: user agent switcher
[07:49] <Reblended> scottj there's an extension
[07:49] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, I have a very interesting idea. I'll brb. Don't go anywhere.
[07:49] <locomorto> scottk, yes get the user agent switcher extension
[07:49] <EvilIdler> The only code Cedega isn't giving back is some special code for the copy protection
[07:49] <nomasteryoda> user agent switcher
[07:49] <locomorto> or something like that
[07:49] <Burgundavia> locomorto: they said they would at the beginning
[07:49] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Making food. Too low on energy to go anywhere.
[07:49] <locomorto> lol
[07:50] <Reblended> ok. resume
[07:50] <Reblended> =]
[07:50] <Reblended> sry for being redundant... irc chat LOL
[07:51] <vessuvius> Grub gets installed to /boot right? When I'm dual booting and have /dev/hda1 as my windows partition
[07:51] <locomorto> yes
[07:51] <EvilIdler> The Cedega source, apart from some fancy CDROM code, is available from their CVS to anyone. No need to pay.
[07:52] <scottj> EvilIdler, are there debs?
[07:52] <EvilIdler> vessuvius: Grub is told on what drive to look for the /boot directory
[07:52] <EvilIdler> scottj: Only source for non-paying customers. You get binaries if you pay the five bucks per month.
[07:53] <vessuvius> I need to install Grub somewhere besides the mbr, because I want to use ntldr for dual booting
[07:53] <Reblended> so, I need to learn to compile the source?
[07:53] <Reblended> is that where "make" comes in?
[07:53] <vessuvius> I think I have generally chosen /dev/hda2 (/boot)
[07:53] <nomasteryoda> vessuvius, why?
[07:53] <nomasteryoda> i keep windows on it's own drive
[07:53] <nomasteryoda> and let grub bootload
[07:53] <vessuvius> nomasteryoda... cuz I did it that way once and it worked :)
[07:53] <vessuvius> I don't want to give windows 80 gigs
[07:54] <Reblended> =()
[07:54] <vessuvius> I have an 80 gig and a 250 gig
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> it does, but i dont' ever want Windows in control of the boot
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:54] <vessuvius> ntldr does a fine job of booting, and it is easy to configure
[07:54] <rover_dan> hi,all. i plan to update pure debian|sarge using unbuntu|hoary srclist. whether it will cause serious consequences?
[07:54] <Antioch> Hoary freeze soon! =)
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> vessuvius, yea, ok
[07:54] <Burgundavia> rover_dan: I have heard of people doing is successfully
[07:54] <EvilIdler> Grub is slightly easier, and more flexible, than ntldrt
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> EvilIdler, well said
[07:54] <scottj> anyone know how to extract a single frame from a dvd? I could just take a screenshot, but I wonder if I could get better quality some other way.
[07:54] <Burgundavia> Antioch: hoary freeze already happened, hoary release soon
[07:55] <Antioch> Burgundavia really? I thought final freeze was scheduled for the 8th?
[07:55] <Burgundavia> Antioch: freeze != release
[07:55] <Reblended> what changes, the kernel?
[07:55] <jmi> Hi - when I try to run apt-get dist-upgrade, the package xserver-org just hangs at "Preconfigrig packages..." - any idea how to get round this?
[07:55] <vessuvius> but to get a dual boot system using grub takes more work I think
[07:55] <nomasteryoda> nope
[07:55] <TrendKill> in what group do you have to be to be able to sudo?
[07:55] <Antioch> Burgundavia yea, I know that. The wiki said the freeze was on the 8th, not the release
[07:56] <Burgundavia> Antioch: release is on the 8th
[07:56] <daniels> jmi: if you could run export DEBUG_XORG_PACKAGE=developer, export DEBUG_XORG_DEBCONF=developer, and then try it again, that'd be much appreciated
[07:56] <daniels> Antioch: final release is tomorrow
[07:56] <rover_dan> wow,glad to hear that.
[07:56] <vessuvius> there it worked for some reason
[07:56] <scottj> what's a good gnome id3 tag editor?
[07:56] <vessuvius> that's odd
[07:56] <jmi> daniels: I'll ty that just now
[07:57] <vessuvius> all I changed was the file system on /boot from reiser to ext3, and then Grub would install there
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> EvilIdler: it is also available, with all the candy, on www.torrentspy.com :P
[07:57] <Antioch> Burgundavia, daniels -- I look forward to it..
[07:57] <nomasteryoda> http://mgalug.org/multibooting
[07:57] <vessuvius> does that make any sense?
[07:57] <Sp4rKy> hi
[07:57] <Reblended> sup
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> vessuvius, yes
[07:58] <EvilIdler> da_bon_bon: Hehe
[07:58] <rover_dan> i have installed xorg and gnome2.10 using unbuntu srclist.but my main bar is shaking now. what's the problem?
[07:58] <EvilIdler> rover_dan: Sit still?
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> how i used to do it is posted there
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> now i just set it in grub
[07:58] <Sp4rKy> somebody have a dell laptop with hoary ? i have any issues with acpi?
[07:59] <rover_dan> EvilIdler pardon?
[07:59] <EvilIdler> rover_dan: How is the bar shaking?
[07:59] <Sp4rKy> What's the correct charset here ?
[07:59] <montana_> how can i unlock a folder? how do i log in as root or the owner?
[07:59] <EvilIdler> rover_dan: Are elements moving, is the whole bar changing placement?
[08:00] <vessuvius> yeah, nomasteryoda, that's the setup I run
[08:00] <rover_dan> EvilIdler, nope. just shakes in the same place:(
[08:01] <Shufla> hello :)
[08:01] <thundrcleeze> hi
[08:01] <Sp4rKy> hi
[08:01] <Reblended> hi
[08:01] <Sp4rKy> I s UTF-8 here ?
[08:01] <jmi> daniels: $OWNERS does not equal $CHOICES: "xserver-xorg" != ""
[08:01] <rover_dan> EvilIdler, no element is move
[08:01] <jmi> daniels: $OWNERS has only one value; shared/default-x-server will not be asked
[08:01] <jmi> daniels: then it hangs
[08:03] <danko123456> Hi, do you guys like KDE? I mean, does anyone have a reason why that would be needed?
[08:03] <nomasteryoda> vessuvius, need i say more... grub is easier
[08:03] <Burgundavia> danko123456: some people like it, therefor it should be included
[08:03] <danko123456> I think it is first of all, very new...
[08:03] <danko123456> WHy do you think they like it?
[08:03] <Shufla> KDE is very consistent...
[08:03] <EvilIdler> rover_dan: Have you checked the gnome.org forums/mailinglists or whatever they have?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> danko123456: ask in #kubuntu if you want to know what a kde user thinks
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> cause it looks nice, smells new and sucks up that RAM we paid high dollar for
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> lol
[08:04] <rover_dan> EvilIdle,looks liked the appearance of electromagnetic interference, but the rest parts of the screen is fine
[08:04] <danko123456> Right, good answer, thanks.
[08:04] <rover_dan> EvilIdleok.i will check it out
[08:04] <Reblended> so, kde is just eyecandy?
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> Reblended, more or less
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> has some options gnome doesn't have
[08:04] <Shufla> but not just
[08:04] <Shufla> kde is workable
[08:05] <Reblended> nomasteryoda: it's an addon?
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> but you get what you pay for.... i prefer KDE
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> Reblended, you can apt-get install KDE
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> look at the wiki
[08:05] <Reblended> k thx
[08:05] <Shufla> or use kubuntu :D
[08:05] <Reblended> hmm k
[08:06] <coughcool> can I apt-get codecs for totem?
[08:06] <locomorto> yes
[08:06] <locomorto> w32codecs
[08:06] <locomorto> and the gstreamer one
[08:06] <nomasteryoda> universidad
[08:06] <Shufla> w32codecs are in multiverse...?
[08:07] <nomasteryoda> universe
[08:07] <Burgundavia> nope
[08:07] <Burgundavia> only on debian marilliat
[08:07] <locomorto> people dont have universe and multiverse enabled?
[08:07] <nomasteryoda> marilliat
[08:07] <Shufla> default uni/multi verse is disabled
[08:08] <coughcool> package name just w32codecs?
[08:08] <vessuvius> does the ubuntu install disk act as a rescue disk too?  I need to boot now to copy the bootsector from /boot so that I can use it to dual boot
[08:09] <Shufla> i wonder when apt-get download backend will be based on torrents :)
[08:09] <vessuvius> I know on redhat I did something like boot: root=/dev/hda5
[08:09] <vessuvius> and it would mount everything for me so I could copy
[08:09] <vessuvius> there I got it
[08:09] <coughcool> loco: thanks for the pointer
[08:10] <vessuvius> linux root=/dev/hda5
[08:10] <maart> hi! is that Ubuntu 5.04 release candidate same as Final will be?
[08:10] <violet> hey is installing woarty a good idea?
[08:10] <vessuvius> ut oh kernel panic
[08:10] <locomorto> pretty much
[08:11] <Shufla> violet: i don't think so
[08:11] <SuperLag> violet: not with Hoary coming out in the next few days
[08:11] <Myrtti> violet: say what?
[08:11] <Myrtti> hoary or warty
[08:11] <violet> er
[08:11] <Reblended> hoary hedgehog
[08:11] <violet> hoary
[08:11] <violet> im tired
[08:11] <Myrtti> yes.
[08:11] <Myrtti> yes it's worth it
[08:11] <violet> so yeah
[08:11] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, my idea was shot to hell... you had anything work yet?
[08:11] <Shufla> hoary RC installed just fine yesterday...
[08:11] <coughcool> i just install RC on my laptop
[08:11] <Reblended> nice and speedy UB server =]
[08:12] <violet> hmm ill install it then
[08:12] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Nope, and I'm now struggling with UT2004 AMD64 :/
[08:12] <Reblended> what's the apt name for wine?
[08:12] <locomorto> wine
[08:12] <Reblended> lol ez
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> wine
[08:12] <lunitik> Reblended: 'wine' ... its in universes
[08:12] <lunitik> -s
[08:12] <Shufla> Reblended: apt-cache search wine
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> Reblended: bloody mary
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> :P
[08:12] <Reblended> < wiki for universes?
[08:12] <Reblended> rofl dabon
[08:12] <locomorto> www.ubuntuguide.org/temp/
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> :)
[08:13] <locomorto> best wiki ever
[08:13] <Reblended> danke
[08:13] <Reblended> multiverses, universes... head spun
[08:13] <violet> haha
[08:13] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, that is strange.
[08:14] <dazed|> who in here uses fluxbox with ubuntu?
[08:14] <locomorto> anyone here got their intel wireless 2000b/g on Insipiron 8600 to work
[08:14] <locomorto> i installed the drivers fine
[08:14] <locomorto> i just want to know how to turn on the hardware switch
[08:14] <kakalto> dazed|, I've tried it, but I don't use it..
[08:16] <Shufla> ok, i've got to go, bye bye :>
[08:17] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, Quake 3 Arena still runs great for me.... just can't seem to get MOHAA to want to run.
[08:17] <Reblended> how do I edit wmv's in ub?
[08:17] <Sp4rKy_new> Please, somebody have a dell laptop with hoary ?
[08:17] <locomorto> i do
[08:18] <Sp4rKy_new> I have some issues with acpi
[08:18] <Sp4rKy_new> could you help me ?
[08:18] <dazed|> does anyone USE fluxbox with ubuntu?
[08:18] <locomorto> such as?
[08:18] <Reblended> funny, hoary install is 26 megs smaller than live
[08:18] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: UT2004 runs great here, too, but my system now lacks sound.  Arts was loaded, but I killed it.
[08:20] <Reblended> bumm
[08:20] <locomorto> have you tried setting it to esd?
[08:20] <Sp4rKy_new> Hybernate function don't work
[08:20] <EvilIdler> I'm in KDE.
[08:20] <Enspyron> EvilIdler how did you get UT2k4 running on Ubuntu? I take it this is about that. Did you just use the version that you can get in the store?
[08:20] <Sp4rKy_new> and sleep consume a lot of energy
[08:20] <EvilIdler> Enspyron: Regular edition (DVD), with AMD64 binaries
[08:20] <Reblended> hmm, Sp4rKy?  suspend2disk
[08:20] <locomorto> Also there is a option in system somewhere (look for sound) and it lets you start up the sound server
[08:21] <EvilIdler> Enspyron: Framerate seemed good, but without sound, there's less stress on the system :P
[08:21] <Sp4rKy_new> Reblended , what can i do ?
[08:21] <Reblended> sec
[08:22] <Enspyron> Wow... so what's the deal... does ubunu not support your soundcard?
[08:22] <Reblended> http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_apmsleep.htm
[08:22] <Enspyron> or do you need directx stuff?
[08:22] <Sp4rKy_new> thanks
[08:22] <Enspyron> ut2k4 is openGL right
[08:22] <Reblended> there's one more
[08:23] <Reblended> Sparky... google this: swsusp2
[08:23] <Kennyjb402> Help, I install a new video card...how do i run the config program?
[08:23] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, I cannot find very much information about mohaa under linux...
[08:23] <locomorto> what vide card?
[08:23] <locomorto> vid*
[08:23] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: That beta is old, I guess :/
[08:24] <Kennyjb402> not sure a friend gave it to me
[08:24] <Sp4rKy_new> i look at this, thanks a lot
[08:24] <e_machinist> Found a lot of the exact same problem that I have... but nobody has posted their solution.
[08:24] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, is it? I'm not aware of a newer one???
[08:24] <e_machinist> Did you find a newer one?
[08:24] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: No, Icculus just hasn't worked on it in a while
[08:25] <nubuntu>
[08:25] <EvilIdler> Hope I can get NWN working, too.
[08:25] <Reblended> fluxbox is supposed to be what?
[08:25] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, yah, you would assume that you would be able to get mohaa running off that beta3 though.
[08:25] <e_machinist> Since so many others have.
[08:25] <Sp4rKy_new> libdvdcss are absent in hoary servers ?
[08:25] <jdub> Sp4rKy_new: of course :)
[08:26] <Reblended> y
[08:26] <Kennyjb402> how can I congig it?
[08:26] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: It's a static binary, so there's not much I can replace of libs :/
[08:26] <Kennyjb402> config
[08:27] <Reblended> fluxbox is another kde?
[08:27] <Sp4rKy_new> jdub, i have to download sources?
[08:27] <nessmuk> reblended....damnsmalllinux is a good look at fluxbox....pretty cool small usb install
[08:28] <Burgundavia> Sp4rKy_new: nope, just use debian-marillait
[08:28] <Reblended> thx
[08:28] <Kennyjb402> anyone?
[08:29] <Reblended> nessmuk usb install? I can run live usb? =0
[08:29] <Burgundavia> Kennyjb402: what kind of video card?
[08:29] <Reblended> I can't boot to usb
[08:29] <Kennyjb402> not sure a friend gave it to me
[08:29] <e_machinist> hmm, kinda dissappointing... so close... yet so far.
[08:29] <NormD> Kenny:  You'll need to know exactly what video card it is.  Ask your friend...
[08:29] <Reblended> nessmuk: am I missing something here?
[08:29] <Kennyjb402> ok thnx
[08:29] <Burgundavia> Kennyjb402: is it an ATI or an NVIDIA?
[08:30] <Kennyjb402> print to small for my eyes to see lol
[08:30] <jdub> Sp4rKy_new: it's easily found elsewhere (videolan site, for example)
[08:30] <scottj> anyone have recommendations on really good internet radio stations (few commercials preferably)
[08:30] <Sp4rKy_new> Burgundavia, what's debian-marillais ?
[08:30] <Kennyjb402> thought i could run modprobe or something
[08:30] <Burgundavia> scottj: what kind of music?
[08:30] <Burgundavia> Sp4rKy_new: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:30] <Reblended> how do I boot from my thumbdrive?
[08:31] <jmi> daniels: any suggestions 'though?
[08:31] <nubuntu> kenny : are you using it right now?
[08:31] <Kennyjb402> im on my wifes computer
[08:31] <scottj> Burgundavia, anything, I'm picky but like good music in every genre
[08:31] <daniels> jmi: no idea, sorry, aside from try dpkg --purge --force-depends xserver-x{org,free86} first and apt-get install xserver-xorg? (but back up your config first)
[08:32] <Burgundavia> scottj: if you like world music, try  http://www.village900.ca/
[08:32] <locomorto> to back xorg conf
[08:32] <Burgundavia> scottj: comm. free
[08:32] <Kennyjb402> i gess i
[08:32] <Kennyjb402> i gess i'll have to reinstall
[08:32] <locomorto> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /
[08:32] <Kennyjb402> ok
[08:32] <Burgundavia> Kennyjb402: can you run system-->admin-->device manager
[08:32] <scottj> Burgundavia, yeah, used to be a huge fan of world music (afro celt, radio tarifa, etc) but that was years ago. I'll give it a try, if the page ever comes up
[08:33] <Burgundavia> Kennyjb402: you shouldn't need to reinstall
[08:33] <Burgundavia> scott: is a college radio station
[08:33] <jmi> daniels: OK, I'll give that a try later on. I'm about to add another disk to copy all the data on to first - cheers!
[08:33] <nubuntu> kennydevice manager
[08:33] <daniels> jmi: no worroes.  let me know if you find anything interesting
[08:34] <Kennyjb402> cant get int ubuntu becase i change my video card
[08:34] <nubuntu> kenny: use the standard vga driver to start X
[08:34] <scottj> Burgundavia, another good college station is kexp.org, although for the good stuff they have they also have tons of trash
[08:35] <nubuntu> kenny: edit xorg.conf
[08:35] <Kennyjb402> ok
[08:35] <Kennyjb402> thnx i'll try it
[08:35] <locomorto> what vid card did you get now
[08:35] <nubuntu> there should be some standard entrys for vga, just uncomment them
[08:35] <nessmuk> reblended...sorry, away. You asked about using flux with ubuntu, I just said I like dsl....and yes, it is one of many small distros, like Beatrix, made special to run off usb
[08:35] <nubuntu> entries
[08:36] <Reblended> nessmuk: np, thx, dsl is another windows mgr?
[08:36] <deFrysk> nubuntu, is it not easyer to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:36] <locomorto> no DSL is another distro
[08:36] <Reblended> ahh thx
[08:36] <locomorto> its is a Live Cd one though, but it loads completly into memory, and is very small
[08:37] <locomorto> it is primarily aimed at older hardware
[08:37] <Reblended> ohh yah,, *amn small yes
[08:37] <Reblended> I'm getting that... 50 megs
[08:37] <Kennyjb402> i get a "gtk-warning cannot open display"
[08:37] <Reblended> thx loco
[08:37] <locomorto> you can add stuff to it though, just copy .dsl files too the root direcoty and they are loaded as well on startup (i added Freeciv among others)
[08:37] <Reblended> I want to try running dsl off my SD card
[08:37] <nessmuk> no....it's a complete distro, 50 meg, to have your entire setup portable on a usb stick. Look at the site for dsl and Beatrix....they really show it clearly
[08:38] <scottj> Burgundavia, no mp3 stream?
[08:38] <Burgundavia> scottj: nope
[08:38] <Sp4rKy_new> sorry, i haven't seen the gpg issue over hoary :)
[08:38] <Reblended> locomorto: why run dsl on top of ubuntu?
[08:38] <Reblended> you just like it that well?
[08:38] <lunitik> Reblended: why not?
[08:38] <locomorto> i dont
[08:38] <Kennyjb402> nubuntu: I get a 'gtk-warning cannot open display"
[08:38] <locomorto> i used it as a resuce Cd a few times though
[08:39] <Reblended> ic
[08:39] <nubuntu> kenny: mhm...run xorgconfig
[08:39] <lunitik> nubuntu: gtsudo
[08:39] <Kennyjb402> ok
[08:39] <lunitik> gksudo*
[08:39] <Kennyjb402> brb
[08:39] <Reblended> well, nice to know if I put a file into root it will run at startup?
[08:39] <locomorto> only the ones in the dsl repo (linked from the front page)
[08:39] <Reblended> ic
[08:40] <Reblended> linux has spyware problems?
[08:40] <locomorto> not really
[08:40] <lunitik> Reblended: I don't even know of a linux spyware tool...
[08:40] <Reblended> k
[08:40] <locomorto> a really old version of mozilla might get you spyware
[08:40] <locomorto> but i think thats still only for windows
[08:41] <Burgundavia> afaik spyware + linux = not found
[08:41] <lunitik> locomorto: Mozilla doesn't support ActiveX ... so its unlikely...
[08:41] <Reblended> and never will support active x?
[08:42] <Reblended> what about running wine and IE>..
[08:42] <locomorto> a few spyware things did get realesed for it, but the vunerabilites for them were pacthed. I read it at the mozillazine site
[08:42] <Reblended> ie uses active x?
[08:42] <lunitik> Reblended: yes, ie does..
[08:42] <dazed> anyone use fluxbox with their ubuntu in here?
[08:42] <Reblended> so, I can still get spyware through using wine
[08:42] <lunitik> Reblended: sure... but it would only effect the wine files  :/
[08:42] <Reblended> ic. thx
[08:43] <Reblended> haha
[08:43] <Reblended> can I install more than one wine?
[08:43] <NormD> I vaguely remember an article about a month ago where someone attempted to install malware via wine...only one out of the lot got anywhere, but still didn't completely work. : )
[08:44] <Burgundavia> http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss
[08:44] <Sp4rKy_new> do you know all the link in the web ? :)
[08:46] <Reblended> make = compile?
[08:48] <scottj> why does apt-get take forever at 99% waiting for headers? years ago when I first started using debian I never had to wait for it to do this
[08:48] <locomorto> dunno
[08:48] <munki> scottj, doesn't here
[08:49] <Sp4rKy_new> Reblended, yes, i think
[08:49] <Reblended> yes to install multiple wines? or make = compile?
[08:50] <Sp4rKy_new> Reblended, yes for make = compile,in fact, make do all the action defined in Makefile
[08:50] <Reblended> tx
[08:50] <Sp4rKy_new> depend of the argument you write after make
[08:51] <Reblended> what should I use to edit WMV's?
[08:52] <raghu> hi all
[08:52] <raghu> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:52] <raghu>   gcc-3.3: Depends: cpp-3.3 (< 1:3.3.5) but 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2 is to be installed
[08:52] <raghu> E: Broken packages
[08:52] <raghu>  how to solve this?
[08:52] <locomorto> apt-get install build-essential
[08:52] <zenrox> raghu, do a sudo apt-get build-essential
[08:53] <zenrox> then try to compile agine
[08:53] <raghu> locomorto zenrox: thx
[08:53] <raghu> locomorto zenrox: let me try
[08:54] <Reblended> do I need to install an anti virus program for wine?
[08:54] <locomorto> not really
[08:54] <raghu> locomorto zenrox: no luck
[08:54] <Reblended> ok.. can I save the files I create outside the wine environment?
[08:55] <raghu> locomorto: no luck
[08:55] <locomorto> you can get anti-virus for linux though. I think theres something in the forum about f-protect
[08:55] <Reblended> k
[08:55] <locomorto> raghu: not shure why
[08:55] <Burgundavia> antivirus for linux is a waste of time, to be honest
[08:55] <Reblended> so, y bother
[08:55] <locomorto> raghu: what are you compiling
[08:55] <zenrox> raghu,  what happed
[08:56] <deFrysk> Burgundavia, until you get infected that is
[08:56] <locomorto> reblended: yes, its in ~HOME/.wine
[08:56] <Burgundavia> deFrysk: there are no linux virii in the wild
[08:56] <raghu> zenrox: when i do apt-get install gcc
[08:56] <locomorto> reblended: ~HOME/.wine/*
[08:56] <Reblended> cool
[08:56] <raghu> zenrox:build-essential: Depends: gcc (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[08:56] <raghu>                    Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[08:56] <raghu> E: Broken packages
[08:56] <locomorto> are you on warty?
[08:56] <zenrox> raghu,  enable your universe repostory
[08:56] <zenrox> s
[08:57] <raghu> locomorto: yes
[08:57] <locomorto> you might need to upgrade to hoary to get access to those features
[08:57] <Reblended> ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/mydsl/    <  how do I launch dsl from my thumbdrive (in windows) I dont see an exe
[08:57] <Piggeldi> can't login via ssh after update anymore (as regular user)
[08:57] <locomorto> just sudo gedt /etc/apt/sources.list and replace warty with hoary
[08:58] <Piggeldi> can someone help?
[08:58] <dumbuser> where can I get mplayer?
[08:58] <locomorto> then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get upgrade
[08:58] <chibifs> Internet.
[08:58] <locomorto> apt-get install mplayer
[08:58] <chibifs> Internet 5000.
[08:58] <dumbuser> what do I need to add to my /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:59] <locomorto> universe and mutliverse repos. Check out www.ubuntuguide.org for what to put in
[08:59] <zenrox> locomorto,  www.ubuntuguide.org/temp for hoary
[08:59] <dumbuser> Ah.  I only had the universe, not the multiverse.  I'll try that.  thanks
[09:00] <locomorto> zenrox: theres aink to that on the front page ;)
[09:00] <zenrox> dint notice
[09:00] <Piggeldi> can t login with ssh after system update yesterday any recommendations?
[09:00] <locomorto> did you check your firewall config?
[09:00] <jjpmr52> s
[09:01] <Piggeldi> < me
[09:01] <Piggeldi> ?
[09:01] <locomorto> yes
[09:01] <Piggeldi> i can log in with root... (after permitrootlogin yes in sshd_conf firewall is not running
[09:02] <locomorto> no idea then. try asking on the forums
[09:02] <Reblended> www.ubuntuguide.org/temp 404
[09:02] <Gaaruto_> hi
[09:03] <super_dude2> ok help me plz im learning to be a C++ programmer and i dontknow how to compile and run my files on linux is there a defult editor?
[09:03] <nibblesmx> try vim
[09:03] <Piggeldi> i tried to do this but found no hints
[09:03] <Xeon3D> ick
[09:03] <Xeon3D> vim for newbies?
[09:03] <nibblesmx> ok
[09:03] <nibblesmx> try gedit
[09:04] <nibblesmx> try emacs (if you have the guts, hehe)
[09:04] <deFrysk> Oo
[09:04] <deFrysk> :s
[09:04] <Piggeldi> auth.log says account expired.. but i can log in local..
[09:04] <Xeon3D> super_dude2, do an apt-get install program . program being nano for a console one, and gedit for a graphic one...
[09:04] <super_dude2> it dosnot have a compiler i think
[09:04] <super_dude2> what
[09:04] <Xeon3D> super_dude2, apt-get install gcc
[09:04] <nibblesmx> try writting g++ on the console
[09:04] <super_dude2> command not found
[09:04] <nibblesmx> if it says something like "no input files"
[09:05] <nibblesmx> then you DO have a compiler
[09:05] <Xeon3D> he doesn't
[09:05] <locomorto> super_dude2: apt-get install build-essential and apt-get install kdevelop
[09:05] <Reblended> can I boot from a thumbdrive while inside windows?
[09:05] <Reblended> (with dsl)
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> in a lens cleaner cd, where should the cleaning brush be located, ideally ?
[09:05] <Xeon3D> super_dude2,  write sudo apt-get install g++ on a terminal
[09:06] <locomorto> da_bon_bon so it goes over the lens part
[09:06] <TrendKill> hey guys, wasnt today the release date for hoary?
[09:06] <locomorto> no the 8th
[09:06] <TrendKill> cool, thnax
[09:06] <Piggeldi> after system update i can't log in as reg. user via ssh. local login via console still works... root login via ssh works too. any recommendations
[09:06] <nibblesmx> dunno... i received my warthy cd rom but i made a dist upgrade to hoary like 1 month ago
[09:06] <Piggeldi> ?
[09:07] <super_dude2> it says no input files now that i did the install
[09:07] <nibblesmx> great!
[09:07] <nibblesmx> now try coding a program
[09:08] <nibblesmx> and then compile it
[09:08] <super_dude2> how?
[09:09] <topyli> you don't ask for much super_dude2. "how to write a program and compile it" :)
[09:09] <Reblended> anything but format root
[09:09] <nibblesmx> i dont want to be rude, but RTFM
[09:10] <Reblended> try Make, topy
[09:11] <pussfeller> you can learn c in 21 days, I saw the book
[09:11] <super_dude2> iv got the book
[09:11] <super_dude2> :)
[09:11] <rdw200169> c'mon, you could do it in a week if you tried
[09:11] <nibblesmx> "learn C in 24 hours", i think that one is more effective
[09:11] <pussfeller> 3 chapters a day
[09:11] <super_dude2>  so how do i doit
[09:11] <Reblended> y wouldn't I want UB to use all my screen resolutions?
[09:12] <rdw200169> object oriented programming on the other hand...
[09:12] <pussfeller> if you wanna learn to program, start with ruby or python or such
[09:12] <Reblended> My Laptop is a sony with a funky video card that won't do digital scaling... so when it goes to 640x480 it's a little tiny area in the middle of the screen.. any way around this with UB?
[09:13] <super_dude2> and why cant i edit any folders xsept home??
[09:13] <fsapo> hi.. i dont know if its the right place to ask for it but.. btw
[09:13] <fsapo> anyone knows any tool to convert mpc files to mp3?
[09:13] <Reblended> dbpowerAMP
[09:14] <fsapo> Reblended, is it free?
[09:14] <jimarko_> Whats the easiest way to go about updating GTK?
[09:14] <Reblended> not oss, but free
[09:14] <fsapo> Reblended, where can i find it?
[09:14] <pussfeller> on linux?
[09:14] <pussfeller> foobar2000 does it on windows
[09:14] <Reblended> sec
[09:14] <Xeon3D> super_dude2, cause you're not root.
[09:14] <fsapo> Reblended, thanx
[09:15] <Xeon3D> inside your home folder use normal commands.. outside your home folder use sudo command
[09:15] <pussfeller> you can use mpc tools to do it too if you install them
[09:15] <super_dude2> But im the only one on my computer so i have to be i havent set any other acounts
[09:15] <pussfeller> which, i dont think they are native to ubuntu
[09:15] <Reblended> fsapo: http://www.dbpoweramp.com/dmc.htm give this a try  < good luck!
[09:16] <fsapo> Reblended, www.dbpoweramp.com but it doesnt seem to have a linux version =/
[09:16] <nibblesmx> super_dude2, ubuntu by default, does not allow you to use the root account
[09:16] <pussfeller> super_dude2, linux is set up for multiusers
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> in a lens cleaner cd, where should the cleaning brush be located, ideally ?
[09:16] <Reblended> wine?
[09:16] <Reblended> sec
[09:16] <pussfeller> in any case, it keeps you from screwing things p accidentally
[09:16] <nibblesmx> try the "whoami" command
[09:16] <fsapo> Reblended, dont have wine here :( and dont have a windows partition =/
[09:16] <super_dude2> so how do i edit them cause it wont save cookies from web sites
[09:16] <fsapo> Reblended, just linux =[
[09:16] <Reblended> fsapo: http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=7002
[09:17] <pussfeller> does foobar work under wine
[09:18] <super_dude2> in root terminal im root in terminal in lukes :) thats my name :)
[09:18] <Reblended> fsapo: still there?
[09:18] <fsapo> Reblended, yes i m
[09:18] <Reblended> fsapo: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/103535
[09:18] <duncanm> to make totem use xine, isn't there a gconf setting to set?
[09:18] <fsapo> Reblended, reading the threads
[09:18] <Reblended> cool
[09:19] <Burgundavia> duncanm: install totem-xine
[09:19] <duncanm> Burgundavia: i've done that, i'm trying to do the same thing on another distro
[09:19] <Reblended> fsapo: http://www.rarewares.org/mpc.html  < direct transcoder
[09:19] <duncanm> hrm
[09:19] <Reblended> =]
[09:20] <Burgundavia> duncanm: no diea
[09:20] <duncanm> oh well
[09:20] <super_dude2> so im both?
[09:20] <Reblended> can I change the startup logo in UB?
[09:21] <Reblended> < it's sacrilidge I know > but can I?
[09:22] <fsapo> Reblended, thanx.. i ll try downlading some of it hope it works on linux :(
[09:22] <Reblended> did you get that last link?
[09:22] <super_dude2> ok guys here a huge problem i have but cant get fixed i tried a few days ago but dint get it fixd so what do i do to get MY MUSIC TO PLAY!
[09:23] <Pizbit> super_dude2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:23] <jimarko_> Hey guys, I'm having trouble updating GTK for gimp 2.2.4, and if i go to uninstall GTK via synaptic which will then allow me to install the latest GTK from source, i find there are too many dependancies based on the current GTK. What is the best way to go about updating GTK?
[09:23] <super_dude2> it  dont make any nosis not even startup
[09:24] <Reblended> I read something, Super, that said he had to kill the sound server?
[09:24] <Wyld> how to i *force* an unmount/eject of a cdrom?
[09:24] <Reblended> but I'm just guessing here
[09:25] <Pizbit> Reblended: No sound server at startup
[09:25] <Reblended> ok
[09:25] <Duluu> when will hoary released?
[09:25] <pussfeller> fsapo, http://musepack.net has binaries you can use, you can write scripts around them
[09:25] <Reblended> 8th
[09:25] <Wyld> Sat
[09:25] <Wyld> ish
[09:25] <Pizbit> Duluu: Apparently on the 8th, are you an impatient sod like me?:)
[09:26] <Pizbit> Wyld: Why do you need to force it?
[09:26] <Wyld> its telling me its busy
[09:26] <violet> i have begun learning perl, but im out of ideas for things to write, got any novice things i can write in my newly installed ubuntu? :D
[09:26] <fsapo> pussfeller, i ll take a look thanx
[09:26] <pussfeller> Wyld, you cant if its being used by a program, like, you are in the directory in nautilus or the shell or something
[09:26] <Wyld> and there's nothing open but xchat
[09:26] <Duluu> I liked warty, but there are so many old packages. And I'd like to install newest ones
[09:26] <pussfeller> ithink you can try umount -f tho
[09:27] <Pizbit> Wyld: Open up a terminal, lsof | grep whereyourCDromismounted
[09:27] <Reblended> dist-upgrade > I don't have to reinstall all my programs?
[09:27] <sHerMie> somebody have problems with gaim?
[09:28] <nibblesmx> nop
[09:28] <nibblesmx> Reblended, no, you dont have to
[09:28] <Reblended> whew, thx nib
[09:28] <Reblended> how can I mount cd's?
[09:28] <Wyld> Pizbit, brw-rw----  1 root cdrom 3, 0 2005-04-07 13:40 /dev/hda
[09:28] <Pizbit> Reblended: You don't mount music cds.
[09:29] <Reblended> iso's
[09:29] <Pizbit> Wyld: That it *not* where the cdrom is mounted
[09:29] <Sp4rKy_old> Reblended, sorry, but i don't succeed to install suspend function, if you could help me ...
[09:29] <fsapo> pussfeller, thanx this should work.. i can decode to wav and then reeconde to mp3 :)
[09:29] <Reblended> I have a win program that I can mount iso's as cd's
[09:30] <Pizbit> Reblended: Hum, yeah you can mount isos on the loopback device.
[09:30] <Reblended> thx piz
[09:30] <Wyld> Pizbit, okay, its shown me the directories of all the things i just copied from the cdrom
[09:30] <Wyld> but the windows are now all closed
[09:30] <Pizbit> Wyld: paste the result in www.pastebin.com
[09:31] <sHerMie> somebody have problems with gaim?
[09:31] <sHerMie> nobody?
[09:31] <pussfeller> fsapo, i had a python script somewhere that does it
[09:31] <Piggeldi> can't log in via ssh anymore... firewall is deactivated... root login works but no regular user? any recommendations?
[09:31] <Pizbit> Wyld: And then tell me the link
[09:31] <Wyld> http://www.pastebin.com/268325
[09:31] <fsapo> pussfeller, i m thinking about it right now
[09:32] <fsapo> pussfeller, i have all the rush discography to do it O_O
[09:32] <fsapo> pussfeller, and i dont know python nor shellscript =/
[09:32] <Pizbit> Wyld: That's not what i said to do, I said to use lsof. Paste the results of this into pastebin "lsof | grep /media/cdrom0"
[09:32] <fsapo> pussfeller, the decode to wav worked :D
[09:33] <sHerMie> bye
[09:33] <Pizbit> Reblended: mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/place
[09:33] <Reblended> thx
[09:33] <Wyld> mmm
[09:33] <Wyld> http://www.pastebin.com/268327
[09:34] <Sp4rKy_old> i would to install swsusp2, must i compile my kernel or just patch ?
[09:34] <fsapo> anyone could helpme with a little shell script? :(
[09:34] <Pizbit> Wyld: As I figured:) Try: kill 8278;eject
[09:35] <Wyld> :)
[09:35] <Wyld> thanks man
[09:35] <Pizbit> No probs:)
[09:35] <Wyld> so what caused that ..
[09:36] <Pizbit> *shrug* gam_server wouldn't let go or wasn't told too
[09:36] <Reblended> what font creator is recommended?
[09:36] <jimarko_> Why is it that when you click on URL links, firefox opens up but never actually follows the link, instead just dropping you on the default home page
[09:36] <pussfeller> you can try mine, but I dont know if it will work on your system
[09:37] <Reblended> Sp4rKy's question answered yet?
[09:37] <fsapo> pussfeller, i little shell script would work like taking the .mpc file convertin to temp.wav the encoding with lame and deleting the sources.. but i dont know how shellscript works =/
[09:38] <Sp4rKy_old> Reblended, no
[09:38] <Piggeldi> Apr  7 08:41:47 localhost sshd[11894] : Account olaf has expired
[09:38] <Piggeldi> Apr  7 08:41:47 localhost sshd[11894] : Failed none for invalid user olaf from ::ffff:<IP_ADDRESS> port 33048 ssh2
[09:38] <Piggeldi> any ideas how this could be solved?
[09:38] <Piggeldi> users exist and can login local
[09:39] <Sp4rKy_old> i think limit time is out
[09:39] <Sp4rKy_old> you can define this in the user & group menu (over gnome)
[09:40] <darka> what's the difference between /media and /mnt? should my harddrive mountpoints be in /mnt and my cdrom in /media?
[09:40] <pussfeller> i think this one will work and handle all the titles and such if you put mppdec somewhere in the path
[09:41] <mjr> darka, /media should be for removable drives and/or media
[09:41] <mjr> darka, so hd mount points in /mnt, rather
[09:41] <Sp4rKy_old> the /media is the default path from cdrom, used by most soft
[09:41] <mjr> darka, if there's no other sensible point for it
[09:41] <darka> ok
[09:41] <Sp4rKy_old> the /mnt path is the default from all the user-defined mountpoints
[09:42] <Echylo> hmm can somebody help me? when I'm working with firefox it random freezes my whole desktop, and It occurs when trying to download something
[09:43] <Sp4rKy_old> really nobody know the solution for my issue with swsusp2  ???
[09:43] <Reblended> time and date settings: only 24hr clock available or can I choose 12hr (am:pm)
[09:44] <synd> anyone using streamtuner?
[09:44] <Sp4rKy_old> i think you can choose 12hr
[09:44] <Reblended> hmm, but where. =]
[09:44] <Sp4rKy_old> DBAudio ERROR: DBAudiolib initialization failed.
[09:44] <Sp4rKy_old> Message: fmt 5, channels: 2
[09:44] <Sp4rKy_old> How can i resolve this ?
[09:46] <styx2005> when does hoary final come?
[09:46] <Pizbit> jimarko_: Still there?
[09:46] <fabbione> tomorrow morning
[09:46] <fabbione> in approx 24 hours from now
[09:47] <styx2005> ok, thanks
[09:47] <fsapo> please where can i find a basic tutorial to write a simple shell script for converting files?
[09:48] <fabbione> fsapo: what do you need to do exactly?
[09:49] <eruin> I cant wait for hoary to get out so I can start getting new dev updates :D
[09:49] <fsapo> fabbione, just take something.mpc decode it to temp.wav then encote temp.wav to mp3 using lame
[09:49] <eruin> I haven't had to visit bugzilla in ages, which annoys me :P
[09:49] <fsapo> fabbione, i have the mpc decoder.. but to make it one by one would take ages =/
[09:50] <Reblended> Sp4?
[09:50] <fsapo> fabbione, i dont know how tho get the filenames and using loop in shellscript =/
[09:50] <eruin> fsapo: I have a small perl script that I used to convert wma to mp3
[09:50] <Reblended> Sp4rKy: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Software_Suspend_v2
[09:50] <eruin> fsapo: I suppose changing it to convert mpc to wav wouldnt be that difficult
[09:50] <fsapo> eruin, that should be simple
[09:50] <balor> Is the Eclipse IDE in Hoary Universe?
[09:51] <fabbione> fsapo: man bash
[09:51] <jimarko_> Pizbit: yep, i'm still around
[09:51] <eruin> fsapo: http://appelsinjuice.org/wma2mp3.pl
[09:51] <fabbione> fsapo: in the documentation search for "for"
[09:51] <fsapo> eruin, thanx i ll take a look
[09:51] <fsapo> fabbione, but how i m going to find out how to get the file names?
[09:51] <fabbione> fsapo: also.. you can look at some scripts in /etc/init.d/ as an example
[09:51] <Pizbit> jimarko_: Did you change anything in the 'Preferred Applications' preferences for the web browser?
[09:51] <fabbione> fsapo: the same way you do in shell
[09:51] <pussfeller> fsapo, i just tested my script on ubuntu and it works, to ogg anyways
[09:52] <jimarko_> Pizbit: Not that i know of :_S
[09:52] <fsapo> fabbione, thanx i ll take a look
[09:52] <Reblended> with the new dist-upgrade will the kernel come patched with the hibernate script?
[09:52] <fabbione> fsapo: a script is nothing more than a defined sequence of commands that you would run manually
[09:52] <lancellor> does anyone have some problems using xmms???
[09:52] <Pizbit> lancellor: Yeah, it uses and out of date toolkit
[09:52] <fsapo> fabbione, yes i know it.. but i dont know how shell script takes the filenames
[09:52] <Pizbit> s/and/an
[09:52] <Myrtti> hmm
[09:52] <Myrtti> you guys want to participate in something?
[09:53] <fabbione> fsapo: it depends if you want N file names or one file names.. it really depends on what you need to do
[09:53] <Myrtti> ie. screenshot?
[09:54] <eruin> Myrtti: ?
[09:54] <lancellor> i installed xmms with $ sudo apt-get install xmms and when i lunch the player does not make any sound and when i push a button stop working
[09:54] <kfc> Hello. has anyone has got experience in setting up Maya??
[09:54] <fsapo> fabbione, i need it to convert all files in a dir like music01.mpc music02.mpc and output music01.mp3 music02.mp3
[09:55] <fsapo> eruin, i ll try changing your script.. thanx
[09:55] <fabbione> fsapo: start with this:
[09:55] <lancellor> any help with the experts???  newbie
[09:55] <Piggeldi> after update yesterday i get the following errors when trying to log in via ssh... and login does not work... any recommendations?
[09:55] <Piggeldi> Apr  7 09:02:16 localhost sshd[12488] : Account olaf has expired
[09:55] <Piggeldi> Apr  7 09:02:16 localhost sshd[12488] : Failed none for invalid user olaf from :: ffff:<IP_ADDRESS> port 33063 ssh2
[09:55] <Piggeldi> Apr  7 09:02:20 localhost sshd[12488] : error: Could not get shadow information f or NOUSER
[09:55] <fabbione> for i in `ls /path/to/the/dir/*.mpc`; do echo $i; done
[09:55] <fabbione> fsapo: ^^
[09:56] <fabbione> that is the loop you need
[09:56] <garrut> Myrtti: what do you mean?
[09:56] <Pizbit> Piggeldi: Read that first line carefully. I think it might be telling you something
[09:56] <fabbione> and echo will only prints the file name
[09:56] <fabbione> fsapo: from there you can expand and change as much as you want
[09:56] <Myrtti> garrut: something like http://irssi.org/themes/roses.png
[09:56] <Piggeldi> Pizbit i did... but my local account works.. and i don't know where to search for this expiration now
[09:57] <eruin> is there a gui tool out there to configure apache2?
[09:57] <pussfeller> lancellor, did your sound work before
[09:57] <Echylo> damn, can please somebody explain me why my browsers(firefox, mozilla) freeze my whole ubuntu when surfing?
[09:57] <lancellor> yes
[09:57] <Echylo> eruin, webmin
[09:57] <eruin> Echylo: smells like flash to me :P
[09:57] <Echylo> no
[09:57] <eruin> Echylo: does that work with ubuntu?
[09:57] <Echylo> yes
[09:57] <lancellor> the music player is working
[09:57] <eruin> kk, thanks ;>
[09:58] <Pizbit> Echylo: nvidia drivers?
[09:58] <Echylo> I use them yes
[09:58] <Pizbit> What version?
[09:58] <Echylo> but it just freezes
[09:58] <Echylo> how do I check?
[09:58] <BeTa> fsapo: what's your mpc decoder ?
[09:58] <Pizbit> Echylo:  apt-cache show nvidia-glx
[09:58] <pussfeller> lancellor, rythmbox?
[09:58] <teardrop> ok
[09:58] <lancellor> i guess
[09:58] <eruin> Echylo: what do I do after installing webmin? ;)
[09:58] <pussfeller> is it off
[09:59] <Echylo> 1.0.7174-0ubuntu1
[09:59] <teardrop> i'm trying to install a real player plugin and a quicktime plugin both for firefox what do i need to do here?
[09:59] <pussfeller> cause only one thing can use the sound card in linux
[09:59] <lancellor> i had to download a plug in for mp3
[09:59] <teardrop> lancellor, what did you use?
[09:59] <Pizbit> Echylo: *shrug* the problem is all over the nvidia forums, be danged if I know why the ubuntu folk used that version
[09:59] <eruin> pussfeller: since when?
[09:59] <pussfeller> since forever
[09:59] <Echylo> hmm ok
[09:59] <super_dude2> about the root acount etc and how i typed the whoami command how come i still cant save stuff normaly
[10:00] <eruin> pussfeller: which is why we use stuff like esd
[10:00] <balor> pussfeller: that is untrue
[10:00] <munki> pussfeller, you a tottaly wrong there
[10:00] <Pizbit> Echylo: File a bug on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ , search first though
[10:00] <Echylo> with what browser?
[10:00] <Echylo> which one works ?
[10:00] <balor> pussfeller: some cards have no hardware mixer, so like eruin said you have to use esd
[10:00] <lancellor> teardrop, i do not what you mean..  plug in??
[10:00] <pussfeller> i guess i must imagine having to type kill all artsd or esd
[10:01] <Pizbit> Echylo: Just use firefox, oh, and have a read of this and/or paste it in with your bug report http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31858
[10:01] <fsapo> pussfeller, it almost worked... but its nome renaming the file to .wav :(
[10:01] <munki> pussfeller , I can play both mplayer and xmms at the same time..
[10:01] <pussfeller> with artsd, i have mixing
[10:01] <fsapo> fabbione, thanx :D
[10:01] <teardrop> lancellor, never mind i misunderstood
[10:02] <munki> and i'm not running esd
[10:02] <lancellor> ok
[10:02] <munki> or arts
[10:02] <munki> ^^
[10:02] <eruin> urk, I really hate google directory
[10:02] <lancellor> did anybody have the same problem??
[10:02] <munki> eruin , why so ?
[10:02] <eruin> munki: because it keeps popping up when I search
[10:02] <eruin> instead of real search results :o
[10:02] <munki> eruin , heh :)
[10:03] <munki> learn ! :P
[10:03] <pussfeller> fsapo, you want my script, you would just have to change a few things for using lame
[10:03] <lancellor> i'm trying to migrate from windows but before i do that i have to make this work
[10:03] <Pizbit> Echylo: Comment that you're seeing the problem here https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8661
[10:03] <lancellor> and i have no idea what i'm doing but i'm making progress
[10:04] <fsapo> pussfeller, hehe i forgot to change one line.. i ll try it out again :P
[10:04] <Pizbit> Echylo: Don't forget to specify which version of the drivers you're using
[10:05] <eruin> how does one login to webmin after installing it?
[10:05] <fsapo> pussfeller, now it looks like that its working :D thanx a lot
[10:06] <Echylo> k
[10:06] <lancellor> other question does anybody know what is xlink kai???
[10:06] <Echylo> first trying to fix it ;)
[10:06] <fsapo> BeTa, i using this one http://musepack.net/index.php?pg=lin
[10:07] <fsapo> pussfeller, decoding of file './Rush - 08 - Working Man.mpc'         to file './Rush - 08 - Working Man.wav' :D
[10:07] <froud> can anyone tell me if there is a single file that defines all the desktop menu system and where it is located?
[10:08] <pussfeller> fsapo, now you need to add the tags
[10:08] <gordonjcp> morning all
[10:08] <fsapo> pussfeller, now it worked perfectly :D
[10:08] <fsapo> gordonjcp, moRning!
[10:08] <fsapo> pussfeller, id3 tags u mean? i dont mind about it.. i have all the rush discography to convert =/
[10:08] <xamdm> hi @ all is there a way to find out which packages provides th ui_main.h ???
[10:08] <pussfeller> mppdec doesnt pass on any meta information which is odd
[10:10] <teardrop> how exactly do i install a .bin file?
[10:10] <pussfeller> sh .bin
[10:10] <xamdm> teardrop, chmod 777 filename, and then ./filename
[10:10] <teardrop> which one?
[10:10] <Pol> is it possible to install Ubuntu with only a live CD ?
[10:10] <fsapo> pussfeller, thanx a lot! it worked... i ll modify it to automatically remove the mpc files.. i have a backup :)
[10:10] <Reblended> Pol: I wish
[10:11] <Pol> Reblended: how?
[10:11] <xamdm> teardrop, maybe both :-)