[03:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^ Bashing-om Ben64
[04:04] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[04:05] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> great here
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> installing different flavors
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> but nothing suits me :p
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> gnome,plasma,mate
[04:06] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Been a good day here in main . active and interesting :)
[04:06] <EriC^^> :D
[04:07] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: " nothing suits me ' when all else fails . KISS -> xfce .
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: well for me, i like xubuntu but for my customers i need something little more eyecandy and intuitive
[04:09] <EriC^^> unity
[04:09] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: KDE for eye candy .. huh ?
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yes!
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: lags to much here on an ssd...
[04:12] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: SSD here if finally performing well . But I must say it is but marginally faster than a core install on a spinner .
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: nice to hear! what did you think solved it?
[04:17] <Bashing-om> ARA errors . setting nuios raid enabled ( AHCI ) ; system puking all over it's self I will say is the nouveau driver .
[04:17] <Bashing-om> ATA*
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> kk
[04:19] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I have begun to uncross My fingers . system seems stable !
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[04:27] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Only 6 months efforts by all parties concerned !!
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> morning baizon
[04:34] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[04:34] <baizon> well that was a short trip for me :D
[05:13] <baizon> ... will install kubuntu today :D
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> baizon: was horrible for me :p
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> baizon: tested gnome,plasma,mate..
[05:17] <baizon> im on manjaro right now, but i dislike the update-policy
[05:17] <baizon> there its... when the dev is in the mood to upgrade, hes making it :)
[05:20] <Ben64> lotuspsychje: hey
[05:21] <baizon> damn amazon, i have to wait for my new cpu :(
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> grrr
[05:25] <Bashing-om> !cve
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> baizon: out of stock or delivery lags?
[05:25] <baizon> out of stock
[05:25] <baizon> 1 month waiting time
[05:27] <Ben64> what cpu
[05:27] <baizon> Ben64: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X
[05:28] <Ben64> good, was gonna be disappointed if you got a non-ryzen
[05:28] <baizon> for only 235€
[05:28] <baizon> :)
[05:29] <Ben64> ~204.17€ here
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> jesus
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> they sold out so much or something?
[05:32] <baizon> i guess
[05:36] <baizon> ok, im out installing kubuntu 17.04. Wish me luck :D
[05:42] <EriC^^> the ubuntu server got real slow for me
[05:43] <EriC^^> it's at 89% , do you think i should just close it and start again? aria2c would continue?
[05:44] <Ben64> aria2c continues if it can
[05:44] <Ben64> not all servers support it
[05:44] <EriC^^> i think it's ubuntu's server, it took forever to load the main page rightnow
[05:45] <EriC^^> or my connection maybe?
[05:45] <Ben64> san fran had a big power outage
[05:45] <Ben64> could be affecting internet stuff
[05:50] <EriC^^> hmm i tried another d/l to see how it would go, and it opened another terminal d/l the same 89% together
[05:50] <EriC^^> didn't know it would do that, i wonder if it will work together correctly, the 2 are d/ling simultaneously right now
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> wont take long for wakeup tea now :p
[06:14] <Bashing-om> can takes no more . G nite \o
[06:15] <ducasse> hiya lotus :)
[06:15] <ducasse> just missed bashing-om :)
[06:19] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: ping?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> waky waky
[06:25] <ducasse> :)
[06:26] <ducasse> new server installer - bad news to start the day with :(
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> aw
[06:30] <ducasse> whenever canonical decides something is broken and the way to fix it is to make their own, i typically never like the end result :)
[06:31] <ducasse> well, we'll see i guess. maybe it will support zfs for root.
[06:31] <DalekSec> So, not upstart better than sysvinit, nor lightdm over gdm, or ubiquity?
[06:40] <ducasse> upstart was nice, as was lightdm, ubiquity i have no special fondness for. i admit i haven't used it that much, as i always use the images that has the debian installer.
[06:41] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:41] <EriC^^> morning lordievader
[06:41] <ducasse> morning EriC^^, lordievader
[06:41] <EriC^^> morning ducasse o/
[06:41] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^, ducasse
[06:41] <lordievader> How are you both?
[06:42] <EriC^^> good here, thanks, you?
[06:42] <ducasse> me fine, thanks :) hope all is well?
[06:42] <lordievader> Doing good here too :0
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader morning
[06:51] <EriC^^> i think i screwed up
[06:52] <EriC^^> one aria2c is showing 99% the others 98%, i dont think it integrated them and kind of multithreaded
[06:52] <ducasse> EriC^^: oh?
[06:53] <EriC^^> the last 1% is taking forever, 7mins remaining
[06:53] <EriC^^> something is wrong with the ubuntu servers or my connection, trying to download 17.04
[06:54] <DalekSec> ducasse: I think lightdm is pretty nice, would be great if they could move away from the CLA..  Debian's installer can actually have a graphical side, working with squashfs' too.
[06:54] <EriC^^> i wonder if i can truncate the last part since it multi-downloaded and let it continue
[06:55] <EriC^^> 10mins remaining, might as well make some coffee in this time :)
[06:58] <ducasse> DalekSec: yes, i've tried it. lightdm is probably the nicest dm still being maintained, i only wish dm-tool received more attention.
[07:00] <baizon> wow
[07:00] <baizon> lotuspsychje: youre right
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> baizon: horrible?
[07:00] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje, how are you?
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> great lordievader
[07:00] <lordievader> :)
[07:01] <baizon> lotuspsychje: its like hell and heaven compared to manjaro
[07:01] <baizon> all themes are broken
[07:01] <baizon> software center crashing all the time
[07:02] <baizon> and im using it for 2 min now
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> its so scrambled...
[07:03] <baizon> it feels like an late alpha/early beta
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> unfinished
[07:03] <ducasse> plasma?
[07:03] <baizon> very much
[07:03] <baizon> ducasse: kubuntu
[07:03] <ducasse> ah.
[07:04] <baizon> i guess i try another distro then
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> i think to install 17.10 alpha2 gnome/wayland and heavy bugout every day
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> lets make gnome rock again lol
[07:05] <baizon> kde is stable, i had no issues at all on manjaro
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> we are a community right, we can influence this
[07:05] <baizon> but on kde everything is broken
[07:05] <lordievader> baizon: What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[07:06] <baizon> lordievader: 17.04
[07:06] <lordievader> Hmm, never had any issue with that version.
[07:06] <lordievader> Ran nicely on my test box from the release of 16.10 till now.
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: i tested xenial kubuntu-desktop, same experience as baizon
[07:07] <lordievader> What kind of issue were you two having?
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> laggy overal system
[07:07] <baizon> lordievader: applications crashing, theme broken, login screen broken
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> first boot black screen
[07:07] <baizon> and thats 4 min into the system
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> sluggy working overall..
[07:08] <lordievader> Hmm... did you voice this in #kubuntu-devel? They might be able to fix these kind of issues.
[07:09] <lordievader> If they are not aware it will not be fixed (unless they notice it themselves).
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> if it does those kind of things by default on an ssd...
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> doesnt sound too good
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> gnome was a lil bit faster
[07:13] <lordievader> There is not a baloo going haywire?
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> but still not like unity speed
[07:13] <baizon> unity is "to old"
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> im planning to bug out 17.10 real heavyly..
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> devs wont sleep anymore
[07:14] <baizon> i already did with 17.04 :D
[07:14] <lordievader> I do agree that Kubuntu is slower from, say, a custom Plasma desktop. But that seems to be *Ubuntu policy. Throw as much software on there until it barely runs.
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> bbl shower
[07:19] <baizon> ehhh, even the usb creator isnt working
[07:22] <baizon> now my locale is broken :/
[07:30] <EriC^^> the md5sum checks out! :)
[07:31] <ducasse> EriC^^: doing a fresh install?
[07:32] <EriC^^> ducasse: no just trying it out in a vm :)
[07:33] <ducasse> right, have fun :)
[07:34] <ducasse> lordievader: seen this? http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Server-New-Install
[07:35] <immu> ducasse: hi, you didn't say which distro are you using?
[07:35] <lordievader> ducasse: Nope, havent. Wonder why we need a new installer though.
[07:36]  * lordievader rarely uses installers these days
[07:41] <ducasse> lordievader: that's what i'm wondering, too. i would assume it would be less effort to just extend the existing debian installer...
[07:43] <lordievader> For example...
[07:44] <lordievader> I guess that is a no no in Linux world. Either you fork or you don't do it at all.
[07:53] <ducasse> and preferably you don't fork either ;)
[07:54] <lordievader> Yeah, a new wheel is better.
[07:54] <lordievader> Because this one is square!
[08:24] <baizon> omfg
[08:26] <baizon> themes are working perfectly now :)
[08:26] <baizon> wow, this distro is nice :)
[08:30] <immu> baizon:  which distro are you using
[08:30] <baizon> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 B55 Processor (800MHz) • Memory: 7.6 GiB Total (6.4 GiB Free) • Storage: 1.3 TB / 2.1 TB (772.9 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD790 Host Bridge • Uptime: 12m 33s
[08:36] <immu> baizon:  thanks how can i do the same
[08:37] <baizon> immu: https://antergos.com/try-it/
[08:38] <immu> ducasse: are non-ubuntu related osEs are allowed to be here discussed
[08:39] <baizon> immu: yes they are
[08:39] <immu> * This is a channel for high quality on-topic non-support discussions about Ubuntu
[08:39] <immu> so thats why i asked and wondered :)
[08:40] <ducasse> immu: we're usually not very strict in here :)
[08:40] <immu> ducasse:  cool ;)
[08:41] <lordievader> Does that mean it is time to promote Gentoo? :P
[08:41] <immu> Gentoo are for Legends
[08:43] <immu> ducasse: how can i get a kernel with BFQ in it ?
[08:43] <immu> noop deadline [cfq]  are the current present ones
[08:43] <immu> and when was the switch was made to cfq from deadline
[08:44] <immu> ducasse:  please enlighten us :)
[08:44] <lordievader> Wasn't bfq planned for 4.11?
[08:45] <lordievader> Don't see the option for 4.10.
[08:46] <lordievader> At least simply grepping for 'bfq' doesn't give results.
[08:46] <immu> lordievader:  4.12
[08:46] <lordievader> Ah, 4.12: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=BFQ-Queued-Linux-4.12
[08:47] <lordievader> Well, the newest release if 4.11-rc7, so I guess you just have to wait ;)
[08:49] <immu> so we would have to wait for 17.10 to get 4.12
[08:50] <immu> cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
[08:50] <immu> mine is using CFQ, which is strange as earlier it was switched to, Deadline
[08:51] <lordievader> Not necesarily, there is a kernel ppa. Or you compile your own kernel.
[08:51] <lordievader> Compiling your own kernel is not supported, but it works fine.
[08:51] <immu> i had done that long long time ago
[08:52] <immu> lordievader:  any guide for it
[08:52] <immu> ubuntu frendly
[08:52] <lordievader> Back when I still had Ubuntu virtual machines running, they all ran a much newer kernel than the version originally had.
[08:53] <immu> http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/11/bfq-loads-programs-extremely-fast-under-heavy-disk-io-workloads-ubuntu/
[08:53] <lordievader> immu: A guide for compiling a kernel? It is quite simple. Download the source, configure using 'make menuconfig', build 'make -jX', install 'make install && make modules_install'.
[08:53] <lordievader> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[08:54] <immu> lordievader: thanks
[08:54] <lordievader> They seem to build a package for it.
[08:54] <immu> http://git.kernel.dk/cgit/linux-block/commit/?h=for-next&id=aee69d78dec0ffdf82e35d57c626e80dddc314d5
[08:55] <immu> check this commit, it highlights the benefits of using a bfq enabled kernel
[08:57] <lordievader> Interesting charts :)
[08:57] <immu> i like your IRC nickname lordievader
[08:58] <lordievader> Hehehe, thanks :)
[08:59] <immu> https://liquorix.net/#features lordievader you check this one or used
[09:01] <immu> lordievader:  check and tell me
[09:02] <lordievader> Nope, never have.
[09:02] <lordievader> The default kernel suffices for me.
[09:02] <lordievader> Sure, I optimized it a bit for my system.
[09:05] <baizon> damn, my system is broken now :(
[09:05] <baizon> thanks kubuntu :/
[09:09] <immu> see ya all later
[09:11] <lordievader> baizon: Broken how?
[09:11] <lordievader> Doesn't boot?
[09:11] <baizon> it boots, everything is fine
[09:11] <baizon> just the damn theme is broken now and i have to reset
[09:12] <lordievader> The breeze theme?
[09:12] <baizon> yes
[09:13] <baizon> task switcher is gone
[09:13] <lordievader> Is this a new profile?
[09:13] <baizon> no
[09:13] <lordievader> Could you check if a new user has the same issues?
[09:15] <baizon> no, only for me
[10:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:33] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj
[12:33] <ducasse> re the idiot in #u, he's been doing this for ages now.
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse, heh, i was just teasing ikonia about it  :-)
[12:35] <ducasse> you might remember him as 'dreaman'
[12:36] <BluesKaj> yeah, vaguely
[12:37] <ducasse> i don't understand why he's putting so much effort into it, must be a kid with no life :)
[12:38] <ducasse> BluesKaj: i got a present today, a 1gb wd external drive :)
[12:39] <ducasse> itb, obviously
[12:39] <ducasse> 1tb - argh.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> ok , nice, an enclosed esata to sata/usb drive?
[12:42] <ducasse> usb3, a wd passport ultra.
[12:42] <BluesKaj> ok, even nicer :-)
[12:44] <ducasse> just wiped it and put a filesystem on it, was thinking of using it for backups of /home.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> the small format size are handy. much lighter and less bulky
[12:46] <BluesKaj> yup, I have the same on my outboard, just in case
[12:50] <ducasse> yes, it's nice and small. handy format if i need to take it with me.
[17:18] <immu> hi all
[17:19] <immu> ducasse:  hi BluesKaj
[17:19] <EriC^^> hi immu
[17:19] <ducasse> \o
[17:19] <EriC^^> how are you?
[17:19] <immu> hi EriC^^ i am good how are you all
[17:20] <EriC^^> i'm good
[17:20]  * ducasse is p***ed off!
[17:20] <ducasse> ;)
[17:20] <EriC^^> haha, why? :D
[17:20] <ducasse> nvm :)
[17:21] <EriC^^> ok :)
[17:21] <immu> hi EriC^^ i am good and how do you express in that manner ducasse
[17:21] <ducasse> immu: it was just a joke :)
[17:22] <ducasse> hence the ;)
[17:22] <EriC^^> where are you from immu ?
[17:22] <immu> from India, currently residing in UAE
[17:22] <EriC^^> aha cool
[17:23] <immu> you all, ducasse BluesKaj EriC^^'
[17:23] <EriC^^> immu: i'm from lebanon
[17:23] <immu> ducasse: yeah i got the joke, but in IRC how do you express in such style like you did
[17:23] <immu> oke cool place
[17:26] <immu> so whats happening , any fancy news?
[17:27] <immu> i removed unity eight from my system
[17:27] <Oerheks> Yay, i am not pregnant :-D
[17:27] <ducasse> oO
[17:27] <ducasse> Oerheks: congrats?
[17:27] <Oerheks> ( if i was, i would be the 1st man on earth, no?)
[17:28] <immu> Oerheks: if you are she, then its understandable
[17:28] <EriC^^> stewie got pregnant in an episode of family guy
[17:28] <EriC^^> it didnt look very fun
[17:29] <immu> creepy
[17:30] <Oerheks> Well i am 49 years old, and not wearing a diaper like stewie..
[17:31] <immu> hmm
[17:34] <ducasse> Oerheks: otoh you have the benefit of being a living human being. the wrong kind of human being for that to work, but still ;)
[17:37] <Oerheks> immu, i am living in the Netherlands, btw
[17:39] <immu> thats also a nice place
[17:41] <Oerheks> One of the few members here, it has been a long time ago i met the others..
[17:41] <immu> met any one physically
[17:41] <ducasse> i'm in norway, and we actually have nice weather today
[17:42] <Oerheks> immu, not one of these bunch here ..
[17:45] <ducasse> EriC^^: how are the fish, btw?
[17:54]  * Oerheks eating a bowl of  yoghurt with proper music > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC-8P5Rgdbw
[17:59]  * Bashing-om still in the morning coffee stage ( as I was real late arising !)
[18:07] <immu> hmm
[18:13] <baizon> hmm
[18:13] <ducasse> mmh?
[18:17] <EriC^^> ducasse: i flushed them down the toilet a while ago
[18:18] <ducasse> ah :)
[18:27] <Mr_0> ducasse, 0/ <- Norway here too
[18:29]  * Mr_0 needs to make some food bbl , but "hi" anyway :)
[20:13] <immu> good nite all