[08:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: we also want http://gitorious.org/phonon/phonon/commit/56f731f9fd763fb8b371abab210fbe01b8cdcd21
[08:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: also if we do not already do it, we want ot build with -DUSE_INSTALL_PLUGIN=true
[09:44] <hrw> hi, I see that kde 4.6 beta arrives in natty - nice work
[10:39] <apachelogger> afiestas: ping
[10:53] <afiestas> apachelogger: pong
[11:28] <Riddell> snowy out
[11:36] <nigelb> Riddell: No photos? :(
[11:41] <Riddell> it's mostly white
[11:48] <nigelb> hah
[12:08] <apachelogger> afiestas: how about using phonon in kamoso?
[12:16] <afiestas> apachelogger: I'm not sure if it is viable right now
[12:17] <apachelogger> afiestas: well, we'd need a consumer to finish up the magic ;)
[12:17] <apachelogger> afiestas: what do you need?
[12:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: possible phonon bug on kde-packager
[12:20] <apachelogger> hm
[12:20] <apachelogger> rdieter: didnt you fix that issue?
[12:20] <afiestas> well, api-wise we need: take pictures, take videos, be able to hook functions between frames (so we can apply our own effects without a performance impact), be able to know what video effects the backend has (even this is not ideal, since we'd like to have a consistent set of features everywhere)
[12:21] <afiestas> ah, and record audio+effects too (something we'll add for +2 version)
[12:22] <afiestas> but well, I'm not a friend of using phonon in Kamoso, Phonon is a general wrapper above backends, and I'm not sure if we want that in the project
[12:22] <apachelogger> afiestas: we have experiemtal support for capturing videos, processing each frame indivudally, processing audio data
[12:23] <apachelogger> backend video effects and hooking probably cannot be done right now
[12:23] <afiestas> I know, but we just move to QtGstreamer and we're committed to that project :/ and anyway I'm not sure if kamoso is a good consumer for Phonon
[12:25] <apachelogger> afiestas: everything is a good consumer for phonon :P
[12:26] <apachelogger> oh dear, websvn is the broken :(
[12:26] <afiestas> After the next version (which will be based on QtGstreamer by sure) I plan to add more than one backend, so we can create one  that uses Phonon
[12:28] <afiestas> btw apachelogger is nice to see movement in Phonon :p I will try to help in the gst backend
[12:29] <apachelogger> and help it needs, also more beautiful code ;)
[12:29] <Riddell> ooh an abstraction of abstractions
[12:30]  * apachelogger thinks that phonon needs a new design and less backendly behaviour
[12:30] <apachelogger> one backend to rule them all
[12:30] <afiestas> apachelogger: piacentini and I are thinking about port it to QtGstreamer, or create a new backend based on it
[12:30] <afiestas> apachelogger: agreed
[12:31] <apachelogger> afiestas: QtGstreamer and I agree that this would not be of much use
[12:31] <apachelogger> primarily because phonon and qtgstreamer do essentially the same (abstracting gstreamer)
[12:32] <apachelogger> also since phonon is part of Qt that would introduce a circular dep :S
[12:32] <afiestas> well, QtGstreamer is designed to be used by projects like Phonon to do not have to deal with gst C api
[12:32] <apachelogger> afiestas: there is nothing wrong with the C api :P
[12:32] <apachelogger> also I recon there is gstmm or what's its name
[12:33] <apachelogger> which also adds a ++ to the C ^^
[12:33] <NCommand1r> ScottK: any issues if we de-seed transmission on armel? KDE is still completely foobar due to implicate-its
[12:33] <afiestas> But doesn't add Qtness
[12:33] <NCommand1r> and we have an annoying Qt bug which looks related to our NEON bug (I haven't dug into it yet)
[12:33] <apachelogger> afiestas: yes, then again that is what phonon was/is supposed to do
[12:35] <Riddell> NCommand1r: what's transmission?
[12:35] <NCommand1r> Riddell: GTK BitTorrent client. It has a Qt/KDE frontend as well
[12:36] <NCommand1r> its currently FTBFS
[12:36] <NCommand1r> hoping ScottK has some idea why its in utter-breakage mode
[12:40] <Riddell> since it's not used in kubuntu I doubt we'd care about it being removed from seeds
[12:40] <Riddell> and since everything is broken on arm qt wise don't we have bigger problems?
[12:48] <ScottK> NCommand1r: What Riddell said.
[12:50] <NCommand1r> Riddell: I'm looking at fixing qt itself ATM
[12:59] <afiestas> apachelogger: Phonon is not supposed to wrap the gst api, but to offer functionality abstracting it, they're not the same
[13:00] <afiestas> Phonon is an abstraction, QtGst is a  "binding"
[13:00] <afiestas> they're not the same
[13:08] <steveire_> Riddell: I'm not sure what  bug 601662 is about?
[13:08] <steveire_> inclusion in main?
[13:08] <ScottK> NCommand1r: The fix for Qt is in GCC.
[13:08] <ScottK> steveire_: Yes.
[13:10] <Riddell> steveire_: yes, means it's moving to our supported archive, it should get reviewed by people who might have questions, nothing you need to care about unless they find some security issue or the like
[13:11] <steveire_> Ok so. No problem.
[13:11] <steveire_> I presume they'll know how ot find me?
[13:12] <NCommand1r> ScottK: I think its a different FTBFS
[13:13] <ScottK> NCommand1r: I've built Qt 4.7.1 on armel with gcc-4.5 n-1 version.
[13:13] <ScottK> What are you fixing?
[13:13] <NCommand1r> no error with data addresses
[13:13] <NCommand1r> ../../include/QtCore/../../src/corelib/arch/qatomic_armv6.h: In function 'QThreadStorage<QUnifiedTimer*>* unifiedTimer()':
[13:13] <NCommand1r> ../../include/QtCore/../../src/corelib/arch/qatomic_armv6.h:215:35: error: output number 1 not directly addressable
[13:13] <NCommand1r> ../../include/QtCore/../../src/corelib/arch/qatomic_armv6.h:215:35: warning: use of memory input without lvalue in asm operand 5 is deprecated
[13:14] <ScottK> That's a gcc bug.
[13:14] <ScottK> Bug #675347
[13:16] <NCommand1r> ah
[13:42] <apachelogger> afiestas: sure, from an architecture POV they are different, but phonon still wraps around the api, just in limited fashion
[13:43] <apachelogger> ideally from a consumer POV they would be almost the same (in that phonon should provide flexibility to go beyond the regular limitations - like say allowing consumers to enhance the indivdual backends themselfs to allow more specific edge use cases)
[13:45] <apachelogger> then again the whole swap your backend as you wish business is standing a bit in the way, and I personally dislike it at every level since it just splits available work time among all backends and the phonon core, as well as enforces that phonon is always limited by the capabilities of the weakest multimedia framework support
[13:46] <apachelogger> at the same time one could not just provide features in one backend, as the user might use another one rendering an application that uses such a feature useless unless the supported backend is in use
[13:48] <apachelogger> hence my desire to break up the phonon design to be less flexible WRT backends but more with consumers
[13:50] <apachelogger> in the end one can only use one backend at a time, and that backend might as well be called the only supported one and phonon's feature set could base on the features of the underlying framework rather than the weakest of all supported frameworks
[13:58] <eMyller> heya
[13:58] <eMyller> i'm willing to develop a web graphics design app (like Adobe's Fireworks), and been wondering what to use for the canvas area
[13:58] <eMyller> cairo? pure qt? any suggestions?
[13:58] <Riddell> eMyller: QGraphicsView or Qt Quick
[13:58] <Riddell> eMyller: but development questions are best on #kde-devel
[13:59] <eMyller> Riddell: did on there as well; just wanted your opinion too :)
[14:11] <yofel> bug 682467 - how do we decide which files to put into which package? some files are in kscreensaver-xsavers.install AND kscreensaver-xsavers-extras.install
[14:12] <Riddell> yofel: that should match the contents of the xscreensavers and xscreensavers-extras packages
[14:12] <Riddell> it may well be out of date
[14:12] <yofel> I'll check those then
[14:27] <afiestas> apachelogger: don't take me wrong, but with that new design you will end up having QtMultimedia
[14:27] <afiestas> and as I said, don't take me wrong, I support Phonon since it is a KDE project, and I always will
[14:27] <apachelogger> I did not say hardcode one backend :P
[14:28] <afiestas> apachelogger: QtMultimedia has backends, is not using gst only afaik
[14:28] <afiestas> it does have backends for mac/win iirc
[14:28] <apachelogger> afiestas: it has backends in a cross os way
[14:28] <apachelogger> though you have a point there
[14:29] <apachelogger> maybe should just merge with qtmultimediakit anyway
[14:29] <afiestas> having the community of Phonon and the manpower of QtMultimedia could be awesome, but everybody knows how friendly the QtMultimedia people are
[14:29] <afiestas> so maybe is impossible xd
[14:30] <apachelogger> it certainly would resolve the confusing about when to use phonon and when to use multimediakit
[14:30] <afiestas> they already have some low level working api
[14:31] <apachelogger> afiestas: well, we just have to get fregl to distribute grumpyness so that brisbane gets pulled off mm development and we get a team to work with ;)
[14:31] <afiestas> in kamoso we've choosed QtGstreamer above QtMultimedia because it is a KDE project
[14:31] <apachelogger> afiestas: yeah, if the two were to merge we would end up with low and top level apis
[14:31] <apachelogger> not the worst thing that could happen
[14:32]  * apachelogger notes that qtmm's code design is also sorta horrible
[14:33] <apachelogger> it is incredibly difficult to get the multimedia stuff right :S
[14:33] <afiestas> :/
[14:33] <afiestas> first of all apachelogger we should focus on fix once for all the sound support in KDE
[14:34] <afiestas> sound/video
[14:34] <Quintasan> oh crap
[14:34] <apachelogger> afiestas: is it broken? ... what needs fixing?
[14:34] <afiestas> libvlc is kinda working, gstreamer has weird behaviors (at least with PA) etc
[14:34] <apachelogger> gst works pretty well here with PA
[14:34] <yofel> Quintasan: what happened? ^^
[14:34] <apachelogger> I guess the primary question is what to focu energy on ... gst or vlc
[14:35] <Quintasan> yofel: well, update kinda broke my kde
[14:35] <apachelogger> from a synergy POV gst would be the choice there
[14:35] <yofel> heh
[14:35] <Quintasan> and ate quasell settings as well
[14:35] <yofel> o.O
[14:35] <Quintasan> yofel: can you send me the connection info?
[14:35] <yofel> what connection info?
[14:35] <Quintasan> to quassel core
[14:36] <yofel> Quintasan: you mean to mine?
[14:38] <Quintasan> yes
[14:49] <apachelogger> Sput: ping
[14:55]  * fregl keeps away from multimedia frameworks... it only sounds like trouble...
[15:20] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeartwork/lp-682467/+merge/42121
[15:43] <Riddell> yofel: thanks
[16:00] <Tscheesy> the kde-partitionmanager is so bad :/
[16:01] <skfin> Is it? I have never used it.
[16:01] <Tscheesy> no ext4 - no sd card - for example
[16:04] <ScottK> Tscheesy: Do you mean the package we have as partitionmanager?
[16:04] <ScottK> IIRC I've formatted an SD card with it.
[16:05] <Tscheesy> hm. 1.0.3 is in maverick.. kde-partition-manager
[16:06] <Tscheesy> mom..
[16:06] <ScottK> I think I used it for an SD card.
[16:07] <Tscheesy> kpackagekit is not helpy..
[16:08] <Tscheesy> could it be only "partitionmanager"
[16:08] <Tscheesy> yes.. 1.0.3
[16:08] <Tscheesy> perhaps i damaged my sd-card.. ill try another one
[16:10] <Tscheesy> nope - no sd-card here
[16:12] <Tscheesy> neither one works with kde-partitionmanager
[16:15] <yofel> you're right, it ignores the sd card /dev/mmcblk0 here too, gparted works fine...
[16:15]  * Tscheesy has not gtk+ yet on his Laptop :/
[16:16] <Tscheesy> so then.. console
[17:46] <Mamarok> is there some ETA for the 4.6 beta packages?
[17:48] <Riddell> Mamarok: maverick packages currently stuck on a soyuz bug
[17:48] <Riddell> I'd told that will take half an hour to fix
[17:48] <Riddell> then there's another couple of builds
[17:48] <Riddell> then I copy over to staging
[17:48] <Riddell> then we test
[17:48] <Mamarok> Riddell: OK, thanks :)
[17:48] <Riddell> then I copy over to beta
[17:48] <Riddell> then announce
[17:48] <Riddell> so a few hours yet
[17:49]  * ScottK eyes Riddell suspicously
[17:49] <Riddell> moi?
[17:50] <ScottK> kdebase-workspace got through binary New pretty fast.
[17:50]  * ScottK was just about to look at it.
[17:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you get a chance to talk to cjwatson about germinate/seed splitting for mobile?
[17:51] <ScottK> Riddell: or padams about Kolab?
[17:51] <Riddell> no, my schedule went funny when the release team meeting didn't happen
[17:51] <Riddell> padams I did
[17:51] <Riddell> will e-mail shortly
[17:51] <ScottK> OK.  Great.
[17:51] <ScottK> The cjwatson conversation should probably wait for after Alpha 1 is out then.
[18:08] <tim> hi, are there any plans to backport kdevelop-4.1.1 to the kubuntu beta backports ppa?
[18:09] <yofel> Riddell: tried to backport the kdegraphics ubuntu2 package to maverick, fails with a gensymbols error in libkexiv2-9.symbols.amd64 http://paste.ubuntu.com/538029/
[18:14] <Riddell> yofel: I did kdegraphics by just removing the .symbols files in maverick
[18:14] <Riddell> not pretty but I lost patience
[18:14] <yofel> heh :)
[18:14] <Riddell> yofel: I've done it properly in natty though, you could backport that if you care
[18:18] <Riddell> tim: hmm, we seem to have failed to package that
[18:20] <yofel> Riddell: that's what I tried (using the new ubuntu2 package), but that still fails for some reason so I'll leave it
[18:26] <Riddell> yofel: fancy doing kdevelop instead?
[18:28] <yofel> sure, I'll probably need some help though
[18:28] <yofel> point release should be easy though I hope
[18:29] <Riddell> it's just an update from 4.1.0 to 4.1.1
[18:30] <Riddell> start with kdevplatform
[18:30] <Riddell> in natty
[18:30] <hunger> Riddell: Wasen't there some blog post about kde 4.6 working with kdevelop 4.2 only? I might be mixing something up there though.
[18:30] <yofel> k
[18:32] <hunger> Riddell: http://milianw.de/blog/kdevelop-and-kate-advancements-over-the-last-weeks last paragraph there.
[18:32] <hunger> yofel: ^^
[18:33] <hunger> yofel: Watch out if you have kate 4.6beta already:-)
[18:33] <yofel> that would mean 4.1.1 for maverick for now and get some 4.2 snapshot for natty I think
[18:34] <hunger> yofel: No idea... just did not want you to waste your time.
[18:46] <dantti_work> Riddell: is there any ETA in aptcc fixed in updates? the bug reports are increasing :P
[18:50] <Riddell> dantti_work: it needs someone to test the built packages and confirm they work without problems
[18:50] <Riddell> confirm on bug 633008
[18:50] <Riddell> I don't have a proxy so I can't do it
[18:50] <yofel> Riddell: where should I put
[18:50] <yofel> ... kdevelop later
[18:51] <Riddell> yofel: well if hunger it right there's no point doing it for natty
[18:52] <dantti_work> Riddell: well I tested with a proxy and it worked, can I test the built package again and confirm that?
[18:52] <dantti_work> cause the crash it fixes is the most annoying part
[18:53] <yofel> Riddell: should I do it for maverick anyway?
[18:53] <dantti_work> Riddell: to test with a proxy is damm simple btw, you can just install squid and point kde configs to localhost:3128
[18:54] <Riddell> yofel: yes it can be done for maverick and put into kubuntu-ppa/backports https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+index?start=75&batch=75 has 4.1.0
[18:54] <Riddell> dantti_work: yes you can test with the built package by enabling maverick-proposed in source.list then reporting on the bug
[18:55] <dantti_work> Riddell: k, I'm going home now so later I'll check it again.
[18:55] <Riddell> thanks
[19:20]  * hunger is waiting for the next few bits of kde 4.6 to arrive in natty.
[19:23] <Riddell> hunger: how's it working so far?
[19:23] <hunger> Riddell: The usual... some forcing for moved files and such.
[19:23]  * ScottK hopes hunger is keeping track of them.
[19:23] <hunger> Riddell: Akonadi server is currently causing aptitude to uninstall a lot of stuff I want.
[19:24] <hunger> Riddell: So I am waiting for that to arrive.
[19:24] <bulldog98> Riddell: I had to force the override of an kde2.desktop from kwin
[19:24] <bulldog98> hunger: I can confirm that behavior
[19:24] <ScottK> Riddell: IIRC that moved to -artwork.
[19:25] <hunger> bulldog98: It is nothing serious... just some stuff that is not build yet (I think).
[19:25] <bulldog98> hunger: I know
[19:25] <hunger> bulldog98: Build or synced to the download server I use.
[19:32] <ScottK> Riddell (and apachelogger): Apparently we need libphononexperimental4 in Main - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/59805068/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.kdepim_4:4.4.7-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:35] <Riddell> ScottK: oh hmm right, I'll move it
[19:35] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[20:08] <yofel> Riddell: kdevplatform 1.1.1 removed the fr locale and they added de back, also I've got some new files http://paste.ubuntu.com/538088/ - I think most goes into debian/kdevplatform1-libs.install, but I don't know where to put the icons
[20:10] <yofel> hm, kdevplatform1-libs.install has 2 icons too, so should I put everything in there?
[20:12] <Riddell> yofel: actually I really don't like those separate -l10n binary packages
[20:12] <Riddell> they end up empty in the main archive anyway
[20:13] <yofel> well, that's just a ppa package, we can change that for kdevelop 4.2, for now I just enabled de again and commented fr out
[20:14] <yofel> or should I really remove the l10n packages?
[20:14] <Riddell> naw that's fine as you've done
[20:15] <Riddell> yofel: put the icons in kdevplatform2-libs.install I guess
[20:15] <Riddell> there's already others in ther
[20:15] <Riddell> there
[20:49] <rbelem> kde 4.6a in kubuntu-ninjas ppa \o/
[20:49]  * rbelem can start working in kubuntu-mobile
[20:49] <rbelem> :-)
[20:50] <bulldog98> rbelem: you can join me with kdepim-mobile if I have the first version finished
[20:50] <hrw> hi
[20:51] <hrw> nice work on kde 4.6 packaging
[20:51] <rbelem> sweet :-)
[20:52] <rbelem> bulldog98, are you working on the latest version?
[20:54] <bulldog98> rbelem: I’m working on 4.6 beta1
[20:54] <rbelem> cool :-)
[20:55]  * hrw waits to tomorrow with system update - now 64 to be removed according to aptitude
[21:08] <apachelogger> please let me get wasted
[21:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Does http://launchpadlibrarian.net/59807444/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.kdeutils_4:4.5.80-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz look familiar to you?
[21:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: I'll look at the phonon foo later
[21:09] <apachelogger> if it is phonon foo
[21:09] <apachelogger> forget already
[21:09] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how is the n900 coming along? :D
[21:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.  I think it's gcc-4.5 screwing with you on amd64.
[21:10] <Riddell> ScottK: probably needs pkg-config added
[21:10]  * ScottK tries.
[21:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[21:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: how much is a kilt in scotland?
[21:21] <ScottK> Yep.  That's it.
[21:27] <ScottK> Done.
[21:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: depends where you buy it but cheapo ones were 100quid last time I looked (10 years ago) and decent ones 400quid plus
[21:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: if you want one in Debian tartan ask padams
[21:51]  * bulldog98 needs to handle with some missing libs in kdepim 4.6 beta, but he is to tiered to do it this evening, so he is going to do that tomorrow evening
[21:51] <maco> was gonna say "goodness, your kilts cost same as a wedding dress" but then again, at least you wear it more than once
[21:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sorry :( i suck - i will go to the post office tomorrow morning - promissed
[22:08] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we're fully built on i386.  Nowhere so happy anywhere else.
[22:08] <ScottK> Although the fact the kde4libs on powerpc worked is quite promising.
[22:12] <hunger> kdepim failed to build last time round. Still no akonadi server update possible for me:-(
[22:12] <sheytan> Hey yo hello etc :D
[22:13] <sheytan> apachelogger you want me to blog in english, right? :D
[22:13] <ScottK> hunger: It's just finished
[22:13] <hunger> ScottK: Great.
[22:14] <sheytan> apachelogger special for you: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2010/11/przeglad-prac-nad-strona-kubuntu-sneak.html
[22:14] <ScottK> hunger: It should hit archive.ubuntu.com in ~30 minutes.
[22:14] <ScottK> (this is i386 - amd64 is still borked)
[22:15] <hunger> ScottK: I'll go to bed then. Stuff will be sorted out tomorrow morning I am sure.
[22:15] <ScottK> For amd64, not sure.
[22:15] <ScottK> i386 is sorted, now it's just waiting for the archive to roll stuff out.
[22:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: :*
[22:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: cheers
[22:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes, english bloggingwould be nice :D
[22:53] <yofel> Riddell: finished https://edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=kde&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=maverick
[22:53] <yofel> added libqjson-dev as build-dep to kdevplatform, the other packages just needed l10n adjustments. I testbulit them against kde 4.5.3
[22:54] <yofel> ah, and kdevelop-php needed a backport of kdevelop-pg-qt
[22:58] <rbelem> bulldog98, around?
[23:10] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: we should have libphononexperimental-dev to resolve that buildep
[23:11] <apachelogger> no need to have phononexperimental in main really
[23:11] <apachelogger> also I am drunk, so I might be wrong
[23:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think that's reasonable.
[23:11] <apachelogger> also this keybord here is funny
[23:11] <ScottK> It would probably work better if you were wearing your Disney mouse princess hat.
[23:12] <apachelogger> true, I should have taken my wizard hat with me actually, would be very appropriate
[23:12] <aakshay> Riddell: hi.. can we please start packaging further for kdetoys?
[23:12] <apachelogger> because I am ruling the wii :D
[23:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: a friend of mine is visiting edinburgh in january, do you think you could help him get a kilt?
[23:15] <Riddell> aakshay: can do
[23:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I expect so
[23:16] <aakshay> Riddell: thankyou.. so lets start. i need your remote acess for natty.
[23:16] <Riddell> aakshay: give me two minutes
[23:16] <aakshay> ya please
[23:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: splendid, I'll poke you later this year then :)
[23:18] <Riddell> aakshay: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:18] <Riddell> aakshay: screen -x
[23:18] <yofel> Riddell: can I copy the packages to backports or do you want to review them first? If latter I'll have to do it tomorrow since I really need some sleep
[23:18] <Riddell> yofel: which packages?
[23:19] <yofel> Riddell: kdevelop*
[23:19] <Riddell> yofel: oh, let me test them first
[23:19] <yofel> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=kde&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=maverick
[23:19] <Riddell> always needs a tester before making public
[23:19] <Riddell> thanks a lot yofel, get yourself some sleep
[23:20] <yofel> yeah, It starts fine, but I didn't test anything more, good night
[23:20] <aakshay> Riddell: Riddell: done
[23:20] <Riddell> aakshay: you're in?
[23:20] <Riddell> aakshay: type something
[23:20] <Riddell> aakshay: great
[23:20] <aakshay> Riddell: yep!!
[23:21] <Riddell> aakshay: so we had it all ready to build except it needed the new kdebase-workspace package built first
[23:21] <Riddell> that should now be done
[23:21] <Riddell> so you can cd into the kdetoys source directory
[23:21] <aakshay> Riddell: yes..
[23:22] <Riddell> and run  debuild  to start the compile
[23:22] <aakshay> Riddell: failed!!
[23:23] <Riddell> aakshay: try and install those packages
[23:24] <Riddell> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: kde-sc-dev-latest (>= 4:4.5.2) kdebase-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.5) libxrandr-dev libqimageblitz-dev
[23:24] <Riddell> aakshay: those are the ones needing installed ^^
[23:25] <Riddell> aakshay: you need to remove the version number bits
[23:26] <Riddell> aakshay: groovy, try debuild again
[23:26] <aakshay> Riddell: working now
[23:27] <aakshay> Riddell: working
[23:27] <Riddell> it's compiling!
[23:27] <aakshay> Riddell: yes!!
[23:27] <Riddell> it compiled, now it's building the packages
[23:28] <Riddell> aakshay: it's done!
[23:28] <Riddell> aakshay: do   ls ..   to look in the directory above
[23:28] <Riddell> there should be a bunch of  .deb files
[23:28] <Riddell> "ls .."
[23:29] <Riddell> looks good
[23:29] <aakshay> Riddell: Riddell: yess....
[23:29] <Riddell> you can install them with   dpkg --install *deb
[23:30] <Riddell> aakshay: that -dbg needs some other packages installed, you can tell apt to sort that out with   apt-get -f install
[23:30] <aakshay> Riddell: showed error for "kde dpg"
[23:31] <Riddell> "-f"
[23:32] <aakshay> Riddell: working
[23:33] <Riddell> aakshay: great, so all the packages installed
[23:34] <aakshay> Riddell: nice.. now how can we check thar the package is packaged right>
[23:34] <aakshay> *right?
[23:34] <Riddell> aakshay: go back into the sources directory
[23:35] <aakshay> Riddell: yes. then?
[23:35] <Riddell> aakshay: run  dh_install --list-missing
[23:35] <Riddell> that checks for new files
[23:36] <Riddell> aakshay: no space
[23:36] <Riddell> good, so there are no new files
[23:36] <Riddell> in the directory above where the .deb files are you can run  lintian <package>.deb
[23:36] <aakshay> Riddell: ok..
[23:37] <Riddell> for each of the .deb package files
[23:38] <Riddell> aakshay: umm, I'm not sure what is wrong there
[23:38] <aakshay> Riddell: its showing error of  Info file
[23:38] <Riddell> try another package
[23:38] <aakshay> Riddell: ok
[23:39] <Riddell> good, no problems there
[23:39] <aakshay> Riddell: yes. will run in home directory
[23:40] <aakshay> do we use chmake also to check?
[23:40] <Riddell> aakshay: what is chmake?
[23:40] <aakshay> Riddell: its the command to compile the source
[23:41] <Riddell> aakshay: that all got run during the build when we ran debuild
[23:41] <Riddell> aakshay: if there were problems it would have stopped with an error
[23:41] <Riddell> but it finished so it's all good
[23:42] <aakshay> Riddell: ok..feeling great!! now we have to upload it somewhere.. where and how to upload?
[23:42] <Riddell> yes, let's do that
[23:42] <Riddell> aakshay: go back into the source directory
[23:42] <Riddell> edit debian/changelog
[23:43] <Riddell> the bit that says "root<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:43] <Riddell> you need to change that to your name and e-mail
[23:44] <aakshay> Riddell:done
[23:44] <Riddell> aakshay: needs to be a full name with capital letters
[23:45] <aakshay> Riddell: done
[23:45] <Riddell> aakshay: good, exit and save
[23:45] <aakshay> Riddell:how to save?
[23:45]  * rbelem now on kde 4.6 beta :-)
[23:45] <rbelem> \o/
[23:45] <Riddell> rbelem: on maverick or natty?
[23:45] <Riddell> aakshay: control-x
[23:46] <rbelem> Riddell, maverick
[23:46] <Riddell> rbelem: working well?
[23:46] <rbelem> Riddell, not at all
[23:46] <Riddell> rbelem: oh :(
[23:46] <rbelem> Riddell, some packages install conflict files
[23:46] <rbelem> and kdepim-runtime is not on nijas repos
[23:47] <aakshay> Riddell:  done!!
[23:47] <rbelem> i packaged it and force-all the conflicting ones
[23:47] <Riddell> aakshay: to make the source package run   debuild -S
[23:48] <rbelem> it is much faster than the previous
[23:48] <Riddell> aakshay: hmm, the changelog file didn't save
[23:48] <Riddell> aakshay: edit debian/changelog again and make sure it saves
[23:48] <Riddell> aakshay: you can use vi if you're more used to that
[23:48] <aakshay> Riddell: its saved in other file named "changeloges"
[23:48] <Riddell> aakshay: oh then  mv it to debian/changelog
[23:49] <aakshay> Riddell: let me do it again
[23:49] <Riddell> aakshay: you need to learn to use tab completion :)
[23:50] <aakshay> Riddell: what is tab completion?
[23:50] <aakshay> Riddell: ;)
[23:50] <rbelem> Riddell, do you know if someone is working on kdepim-runtime packaging?
[23:51] <rbelem> bulldog98?
[23:51] <Riddell> aakshay: mv chan<tab>
[23:51] <Riddell> it will complete the filename based on what files are in the directory
[23:51] <aakshay> Riddell: ok... its done.. files moved
[23:52] <Riddell> rbelem: there is a kdepim-runtime in there which should be rebuilt for the new akonadi
[23:52] <Riddell> aakshay: exit
[23:52] <Riddell> build the source package
[23:52] <Riddell> aakshay: eek no!
[23:52] <rbelem> hum...
[23:52] <aakshay> Riddell: sorry
[23:52] <aakshay> Riddell: then?
[23:52] <Riddell> aakshay: ok I got us back
[23:53] <Riddell> aakshay: build the source package
[23:53] <Riddell> rbelem: I'll take a look in a bit
[23:53] <aakshay> Riddell: using debuild?
[23:53] <rbelem> cool
[23:53] <Riddell> aakshay: yes with -S
[23:53] <rbelem> thx Riddell :-)
[23:54] <aakshay> Riddell: why aare we building it again?
[23:54] <Riddell> aakshay: this time we are building it as a source package rather than binary packages
[23:55] <Riddell> aakshay: we want to upload source to the ubuntu archive which will build the binary .deb packages
[23:55] <aakshay> Riddell: ok..  it showing error
[23:55] <Riddell> aakshay: if you look in the directory above it has a .debian.tar.gz and .dsc file, that's our source package
[23:56] <Riddell> aakshay: that's fine, the error is that it can't pgp sign the package, I'll do that with my key since your key wouldn't be allowed to upload source
[23:56] <Riddell> aakshay: so our source is the kdetoys_4.5.80.orig.tar.bz2  from upstream, the kdetoys_4.5.80-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz and the kdetoys_4.5.80-0ubuntu1.dsc
[23:56] <aakshay> Riddell: woow!!.... ok.. you use your key
[23:56] <aakshay> Riddell: ok
[23:56] <Riddell> aakshay: done, it's ready to go!
[23:57] <aakshay> Riddell: yes..
[23:57] <Riddell> aakshay: you can upload with   dput ubuntu kdetoys_4.5.80-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[23:57] <aakshay> Riddell: i think its done?
[23:58] <Riddell> aakshay: yes, that's it done
[23:58] <Riddell> aakshay: it will appear shortly at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdetoys
[23:58] <Riddell> aakshay: you can watch that page to see if it builds correctly
[23:58] <aakshay> Riddell:yeee!! .... now where will you use your key?
[23:59] <Riddell> aakshay: I already did, see the top of the screen "debsign<EMAIL_ADDRESS>kdetoys_4.5.80-0ubuntu1_source.changes"


[02:49] <oerheks> git://git.launchpad.net/network-manager
[07:19] <mncheck> Walex2, I haven't found a way to format dpkg's output and currently using the text tools to cut etc., what format options are available?
[08:04] <ducasse> good morning
[10:31] <Walex2> mncheck: actually for kind of thing 'dpkg' is just a minor frontend to 'dpkg-query', and 'dpkg-query' has a rich formatting option '-f|--showformat'
[10:31] <mncheck> Walex2, thanks
[10:34] <Walex2> for example: dpkg-query --show -f '${Architecture}\t${Package}\n'
[15:51] <mncheck> Walex2, it works perfectly
[19:06] <leftyfb> sarnold: why did you mute "American"?
[19:06] <sarnold> leftyfb: Wed 16 19:03:07 < American> kenperkins shutup please.
[19:07] <leftyfb> oh, I missed that
[19:07] <Maik> American probably doesn't know how a IRC support channel works and thinks he's the only one asking for help
[19:08] <sarnold> he's got the next twenty minutes to learn :) heh
[19:08] <leftyfb> yeah, I'm thinking we should unmute them and give them another chance
[19:09] <leftyfb> "[14:09:22] <American> I apologize my friend. I will not make the same mistake twice."
[19:09] <sarnold> have the PMs been "im' sorry I was a jerk" noises or .. other? :)
[19:09] <sarnold> thanks
[19:17] <sarnold> thanks leftyfb :) happy outcome there
[19:18] <leftyfb> sarnold: :)


[00:00] <tomreyn> it ia also listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#GPG_Keys_used_by_Ubuntu
[00:01] <jbicha> should we update the channel topics again for the new archive freeze?
[00:06] <vorlon> jbicha: thanks, doing
[00:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: octave-control (noble-proposed/universe) [4.0.1-1 => 4.0.1-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[00:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libpng1.6 (noble-proposed/main) [1.6.43-3 => 1.6.43-5] (core, i386-whitelist) (sync)
[00:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kbuild (noble-proposed/universe) [1:0.1.9998svn3589+dfsg-1 => 1:0.1.9998svn3604+dfsg-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[04:11] <vorlon> would still be a good idea for someone to see if they can reproduce that debootstrap failure.  Here, I'm hitting an unrelated failure
[05:37] <vorlon> juliank: apt/armhf test failure with the reverted xz-utils https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/a/apt/noble/armhf
[06:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ukui-panel (noble-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1build1 => <IP_ADDRESS>-1] (ubuntukylin) (sync)
[07:13] <LocutusOfBorg> 	2024-03-30 04:05:13 CET	Published	Noble	updates	main	misc	1.6.42-1
[07:13] <LocutusOfBorg>  	2024-03-28 08:53:09 CET	Published	Noble	release	main	misc	1.6.43-3
[07:13] <LocutusOfBorg> OMG what does this mean?
[07:13] <LocutusOfBorg> libpng1.6 has higher version in noble-updates
[07:14] <LocutusOfBorg> and a non-renamed library in updates?
[07:31] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: this is rollback for xz-utils
[07:31] <LocutusOfBorg> ok
[07:31] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm trying to fix haskell, I got a fix, but the archive looks meh
[07:31] <vorlon> we're using the noble-updates pocket to be able to have last-known-good amd64 binaries available, in parallel with the latest versions on all other architectures
[07:31] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/costamagnagianfranco-ppa/+sourcepub/15894110/+listing-archive-extra
[07:31] <vorlon> so that we don't have to re-bootstrap armhf for time_t
[07:31] <LocutusOfBorg> FYI ^^
[07:32] <LocutusOfBorg> haskell-haskell-gi suffered a failure due to newer glib2.0
[07:32] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, it's ok for me :)
[07:32] <LocutusOfBorg> just maybe mention some uninstallabilities, or archive inconsistencies on topic?
[07:33] <LocutusOfBorg> but as long as this is something you are aware of, I go back to haskell
[07:33] <vorlon> what uninstallabilities specifically?
[07:36] <LocutusOfBorg> I mean version lower in updates w.r.t. release pocket
[07:37] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't know if I can upload an haskell fix and start give backs, or should I wait
[07:37] <LocutusOfBorg> haskell can take few days to build on risc and armhf, the sooner we start, the better
[07:37] <LocutusOfBorg> (I mean haskell-gi-* foobar is really long)
[07:38] <LocutusOfBorg> btw I fixed in my libpng1.6 the udeb uninstallability issue due to renaming, I don't think this is an Ubuntu issue, but also I'm scared if this can be the culprit of the issues you are having
[07:50] <vorlon> you can upload; stuff in the queue will be released once we're ready to go with rebuilding everything
[07:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: haskell-charsetdetect-ae (noble-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-5 => <IP_ADDRESS>-6] (no packageset) (sync)
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[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pkg-haskell-tools (noble-proposed/universe) [0.12.4build1 => 0.12.5] (no packageset) (sync)
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[08:02] <mitya57> vorlon: I also have one issue on amd64: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/721969472/buildlog_ubuntu-noble-amd64.qttools-opensource-src_5.15.13-1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[08:02] <mitya57> It looks like libwacom-common is available in both -release and -updates (with -release having newer version), while libwacom9 is available only in -updates (and the version mismatches libwacom-common in -release).
[08:02] <mitya57> Maybe related to the fact that one of them is arch:all and another arch:any (and arch:any amd64 binaries were deleted from -release?)
[08:03] <vorlon> yes
[08:04] <vorlon> those should all shake out when the rebuilds happen in -proposed
[08:04] <mitya57> Ah, okay
[08:04] <vorlon> there may be a few cases where we have to drop the Arch: all package from the release pocket as well to let new amd64 build, but that should be rare
[08:05] <mitya57> vorlon: By the way, how much chances I have to get new Qt 5 patch release in noble? I thought I would try to manage to get it prepared before beta freeze, but with this xz rollback and yet another world rebuild maybe I should give up?
[08:06]  * mitya57 started preparing it in a ppa as usual: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4979/+packages
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[08:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: entropybroker (noble-proposed/universe) [2.9-7ubuntu1 => 2.9-8] (no packageset) (sync)
[08:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: glibc (noble-proposed/main) [2.39-0ubuntu7 => 2.39-0ubuntu8] (core, i386-whitelist)
[08:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted glibc [source] (noble-proposed) [2.39-0ubuntu8]
[08:53] <LocutusOfBorg> [1;91mERROR: [97mcouldn't find API description for GLib.time_t[22;94m
[08:53] <LocutusOfBorg> LOL
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> im getting a weird error and depend on trying to install nmap on noble, can anyone test that?
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> its a conflict between nmap-common versions
[09:53] <RikMills> lotuspsychje: that is not surprising, as there is currently a mass removal of amd64 binaries that were built after the compromised xz-utils was published
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx RikMills just wanted to report
[09:56] <RikMills> lotuspsychje: np. when the (7000 ish) packages get rebuilt in due course, should all get fixed
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> phew good luck to all
[10:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xubuntu-default-settings (noble-proposed/universe) [24.04.2 => 24.04.3] (xubuntu)
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[12:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: newlib (noble-proposed/universe) [3.3.0-1.3 => <IP_ADDRESS>31231-2] (no packageset) (sync)
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[13:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-14 (noble-proposed/main) [14-20240315-1ubuntu1 => 14-20240330-1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[13:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gcc-14 [source] (noble-proposed) [14-20240330-1ubuntu1]
[13:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-13 (noble-proposed/main) [13.2.0-23ubuntu2 => 13.2.0-23ubuntu3] (i386-whitelist)
[13:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: isc-kea (noble-proposed/main) [2.4.1-2build1 => 2.4.1-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[14:22] <doko> is somebody running a script to retry builds?  please stop that for now
[14:23] <doko> vorlon: binutils unfortunately built on amd64
[14:26] <adrien> doko: well, there's the fallout management from the xz-utils backdoor
[14:26] <doko> sure, but cancelled builds are not retried on it's own
[14:30] <adrien> ah, ok; I know apw was looking at something but I can't tell if it's related for sure
[14:44] <doko> looks like the package was has been built with the restored amd64 binaries
[14:59] <ahasenack> hi ubuntu-release, I synced https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/isc-kea/2.4.1-3 to fix https://launchpad.net/bugs/2055151
[14:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2055151 in isc-kea (Ubuntu) "kea-ctrl-agent segfault in ppc64el dep8 test" [High, Fix Committed]
[15:01] <bdmurray> I've targetted bug 2055151 for the beta so we don't lose track of it.
[15:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2055151 in isc-kea (Ubuntu) "kea-ctrl-agent segfault in ppc64el dep8 test" [High, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2055151
[15:02] <ahasenack> thanks
[15:55] <vorlon> doko: I built binutils
[15:56] <doko> vorlon: I was assuming that. next gcc-13 is dep-wait with ghostscript uninstallabilities.
[15:56] <vorlon> yes. looking to see what arch: all package needs removed
[15:57] <vorlon> also lol ubuntu-build is broken because the archive is in pre-releaze freeze sigh
[15:57] <doko> I can prepare an upload doing without graphviz and ghostscript
[15:57] <vorlon> no, we shouldn't need any more bootstrap builds here, just need the archive tuned
[15:57] <vorlon> which is faster overall
[16:08] <vorlon> I'll also look ahead at glibc build-dep installability
[16:09] <vorlon> looks ok actually
[16:09] <doko> when you start gcc-13, please also accept gcc-14 for the shared libs
[16:18] <vorlon> doko: I've set the starting of gcc-13 on a trigger so I may be afk when it accepts (and ubuntu-build doesn't give me useful return codes for scripting this); but I'll accept gcc-14 asap after
[16:18] <vorlon> moving ghostscript to the top of my list for rebuilds as well.  its build-deps look clean
[16:19] <vorlon> and texinfo, whose Arch: all I had to remove last night for binutils
[16:21] <vorlon> (this doesn't matter for the amd64 builds, but will matter for getting other archs built faster, including riscv64)
[16:33] <vorlon> looking for someone to un-freeze noble now. there may be some packages that fail to build due to archive inconsistency, but there is no ongoing concern about tainted builds
[16:33] <vorlon> (we want gcc to finish building but that will be done soon)
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted edubuntu-meta [source] (noble-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-mate-meta [source] (noble-proposed) [1.294.1]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-unity-meta [source] (noble-proposed) [0.17]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntukylin-meta [source] (noble-proposed) [0.57]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xubuntu-meta [source] (noble-proposed) [2.261]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntucinnamon-meta [source] (noble-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-meta [source] (noble-proposed) [1.538]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntustudio-meta [source] (noble-proposed) [24.04.18]
[16:38] <vorlon> heh, xz-utils amd64 binaries in -proposed got caught up by the removal script; restoring them
[16:49] <vorlon> having a look at autopkgtest queues (we should dump any tests triggered by glibc 2.39-0ubuntu7 which is now obsolete)
[17:00] <ahasenack> is noble release still a bit inconsistent?
[17:00] <ahasenack>  elinks | <IP_ADDRESS>-4.1ubuntu1 | noble-updates/universe | source
[17:00] <ahasenack>  elinks | <IP_ADDRESS>-4.1ubuntu2 | noble/universe         | source
[17:00] <ahasenack> why would updates have a lower version than release
[17:00] <ahasenack> (and why would updates be populated at this stage)
 we're using the noble-updates pocket to be able to have last-known-good amd64 binaries available, in parallel with the latest versions on all other architectures
[17:02] <RikMills> ahasenack: ^^
[17:02] <ahasenack> ah
[17:03] <ahasenack> I got this weird depwait in a ppa build: Missing build dependencies: elinks-data (= <IP_ADDRESS>-4.1ubuntu1)
[17:04] <RikMills> yeah, it makes some issues with versioned depends on arch:all packages
[17:05] <vorlon> yeah. wrt ppas, these will shake out in the next couple of days as we're able to get rebuilds done in -proposed and then migrated back to the release pocket.  The critical chain here at the moment is publication of libgs10-common removal -> gcc-13 build -> glibc build -> upload the world
[17:06] <vorlon> (don't worry, it's "only" 7172 packages to upload)
[17:07] <vorlon> will aim to get some clearer messaging published about this, but well, holiday weekend
[17:07] <ahasenack> np
[17:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: isc-kea (noble-proposed/main) [2.4.1-2build1 => 2.4.1-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:17] <wxl> the Lubuntu ISO failed for an interesting reason today: livecd-rootfs has no installation candidate
[17:33]  * Eickmeyer just is expecting image build failures for the next couple days while everything gets sorted
[17:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: isc-kea (noble-proposed/main) [2.4.1-2build1 => 2.4.1-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[18:19] <vorlon> gcc-13 is building, should be done in a couple of hours
[18:19] <vorlon> accepting gcc-14 now
[18:20] <vorlon> archive is unfrozen again but it's advisable to wait until gcc-13 and glibc are published before uploading stuff so that it gets built with the latest toolchain
[18:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-14 [source] (noble-proposed) [14-20240330-1ubuntu1]
[18:24] <vorlon> going ahead and uploading livecd-rootfs, it's arch: any but doesn't build any binary artifacts
[18:25] <vorlon> doesn't mean image builds will start working but it can be unblocked all the same
[18:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted isc-kea [sync] (noble-proposed) [2.4.1-3]
[18:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected isc-kea [sync] (noble-proposed) [2.4.1-3]
[18:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted isc-kea [sync] (noble-proposed) [2.4.1-3]
[18:29] <vorlon> accidentally clicked accept on isc-kea when I meant to click reject on the duplicate uploads in the queue; oops oh well
[18:49] <mitya57> vorlon: Hi! Not sure if you saw my question about Qt above, but let me try again:
[18:49] <mitya57> - Currently noble has Qt 5.15.12 but 5.15.13 was published earlier this month. Do I have chances to squeeze it in for noble, or we should better stick to 5.15.12?
[18:49] <mitya57> - If I have chances: I started preparing packages in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4979 but some packages there were built yesterday, which is with liblzma 5.4.5. Should I start from scratch in a new PPA?
[18:51] <doko> well, if you built the *source* with new xz-utils, it should be fine? independent of the new subminor version
[18:53] <mitya57> By source you mean *+dfsg.orig.tar.xz? Then I built it for Debian and it was a few weeks ago.
[18:56] <doko> isn't debian.tar.xz also compressed with lzma?
[18:58] <mitya57> doko: Yes it is. Do we have any evidence that these files may be infected/screwed up, and/or a way to check that?
[19:20] <vorlon> mitya57: we don't have a way to check that no.  The *known* attack is sophisticated enough that we assume there are others and we have not yet characterized them
[19:20] <vorlon> mitya57: but building yesterday with liblzma 5.4.5 is fine? it's 5.6.x that is the known problem
[19:21] <vorlon> mitya57: and as for having time to squeeze things in, well I have no idea at this point.  I don't expect beta to be possible in 6 days but we haven't had a chance to assess full impact since the mitigation work is still ongoing
[19:25] <mitya57> vorlon: "but building yesterday with liblzma 5.4.5 is fine" — ah, right. I didn't see the +really suffix so was confused. But still, there are .debian.tar.xz copied from Debian which were built with 5.6.x.
[19:25] <vorlon> mitya57: that's not a vector that we're currently intending to do anything about.  But if you ask the question "should we trust it?" the answer is "no"
[19:27] <mitya57> Okay. I will probably continue copying stuff from Debian to my PPA and in case we know that .xz files are affected, I'll be able to do *build1 uploads at any time.
[19:27] <vorlon> mitya57: *however*, I will say that in terms of strategy, "injecting code into liblzma to compromise sshd" and "causing liblzma to generate broken compressed files that can then be used to compromise other systems via an undisclosed vulnerability in the decompressor" are quite disjoint
[19:27] <mitya57> Ack. Thanks for your answers (and work on this).
[19:42] <vorlon> gcc-13 almost done (currently at pkgstriptranslations)
[19:43] <vorlon> gonna go ahead and skiptest livecd-rootfs. the autopkgtests don't provide us any additional surety here
[19:45] <vorlon> (the one in release pocket has been removed on amd64 so obviously we can't regress buildability right now!)
[20:15] <vorlon> juliank: I think I've lost track of what's happening with the migration-reference/0 tests.  We will want to preempt these now due to the xz-utils rebuilds.  Did you want these requeued afterwards? At that point I'm not sure it really matters
[20:16] <juliank> vorlon: yeah still *some* time to analyse any regressions we introduced between beta and release
[20:16] <vorlon> juliank: well effectively, tests are going to be retriggered for the world against the packages in -proposed, and if those show up as regressions britney will do its own migration-reference/0 triggers where necessary?
[20:19] <juliank> To some extent yes
[20:20] <juliank> My concern was all-proposed testing with partial migration causing hidden regressions
[20:21] <juliank> Oh? Are they still running, I thought they'd be killed already
[20:21] <vorlon> xz-utils revdep autopkgtest regressions caused by libevent, that's fine; releasing xz-utils now
[20:22] <vorlon> juliank: killing them requires someone to actively do so, and no one has gotten to it yet :) I'll do it now
[20:22] <juliank> Regardless of what I want, you can kill any reference tests, the script will pick that up and add them to the to-be-scheduled output again
[20:22] <juliank> I made magic
[20:23] <vorlon> ack
[20:23] <vorlon> I thought I remembered that was the case but wanted to double-check
[20:24] <vorlon> arm64 queue still won't be quite zeroed, but
[20:24] <vorlon> man, component-mismatches is seriously confused
[20:24] <juliank> The builds happen in chroots, right?
[20:25] <vorlon> yes
[20:25] <juliank> Debian seems to consider to rebuild the machines the chroots are on as well
[20:25] <cjwatson> the builds are also in ephemeral VMs
[20:25] <vorlon> ^
[20:25] <juliank> Ah
[20:25] <juliank> So you boot a VM, and then a chroot in it, fun
[20:25] <vorlon> yeah build isolation has been a concern for a long time, on account of the fact that we have ppas :)
[20:25] <juliank> Right
[20:25] <cjwatson> and the build chain for those VMs didn't involve noble last time I checked, which I doubt very much has changed since November
[20:25] <vorlon> indeed it has not
[20:26] <juliank> Very good
[20:26] <vorlon> and the buildd chroots in launchpad haven't been updated ;P
[20:26] <juliank> Heh
[20:28] <cjwatson> I wrote down how to do that in my handover notes I think
[20:29] <cjwatson> So if the current LP team is lost, that's where to point them ...
[20:29] <vorlon> ack :)
[21:22] <vorlon> building glibc
[22:10] <bdmurray> I sorted out some issues with arm64 queue processing a bit ago.
[22:11] <bdmurray> a bit being like 3 hours ago
[22:19] <vorlon> juliank: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2024-March/042955.html seems like it should be a bug report against gst-plugins-good1.0?
[22:21] <vorlon> glibc built
[23:01] <ricotz> hello ubuntu-archive, would it be possible to delete this source - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/4:24.2.2-0ubunut1
[23:01] <vorlon> haha
[23:01] <vorlon> ok
[23:02] <ricotz> thanks! and yeah, the typo is one thing :\
[23:02] <ricotz> vorlon, regarding the amd64/arm64 failures, is the archive in a bad state currently?
[23:02] <vorlon> ricotz: mostly on amd64
[23:03] <vorlon> lots of comments on it in scrollback, but basically this is mitigation of the amd64-specific xz-utils backdoor
[23:04] <vorlon> we've rolled back 7k source packages to their pre-xz-utils versions in noble-updates, deleted amd64 binaries from noble and noble-proposed, and that means some packages are uninstallable because of arch: all packages being newer than their arch: amd64 packages
[23:04] <vorlon> and that's not something we'll resolve with blanket removals of arch: all packages because that makes the situation worse for all the other archs, including the much-slower riscv64
[23:05] <ricotz> ok, I see, so uploading e.g. libreoffice won't result in proper build any time soon then
[23:05] <vorlon> anyway, just as soon as glibc publishes (which should be very very soon), I'll be kicking off mass rebuilds
[23:05] <vorlon> oh in fact it looks like glibc is published
[23:06] <vorlon> (to ftpmaster.internal; not to the public mirrors)
[23:06] <ricotz> ah ok, so it won't hurt me uploading it
[23:06] <vorlon> so here we goooooo
[23:08] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, can we ask Santa to have binNMU per arch the way Debian has? it would have helped on this issue a lot I guess
[23:08] <LocutusOfBorg> (also time64_t)
[23:08] <ricotz> (debian versions are fun, I would not have expected that 0.19.2-3+b1 is higher than 0.19.2-3build2)
[23:10] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: it wouldn't have helped with *this* issue.  And we would've wanted rebuilds on all archs for time_t as well, to ensure switching to the new library packages on upgrade (to not island users on the old package which gets no security updates).  And binNMUs also bring challenges with multiarch co-installability (sometimes Debian winds up doing binNMUs on all architectures for this).  So
[23:10] <vorlon> it's not something I regard as a priority
[23:10] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: I've heard people in Debian wish that they only used Ubuntu-style binNMUs
[23:11] <vorlon> ah shoot I thought glibc was in this latest publisher run but it's not
[23:11] <vorlon> holding off for the next one (hopefully quick)
[23:12] <vorlon> jbicha: hiya. is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2024-March/042955.html anything you want to look at? :)
[23:14] <jbicha> that requires more concentration than I have this weekend :)
[23:16] <vorlon> fair!
[23:18] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: ok actually I suppose it would have helped with this issue; but the arch:any/arch:all skew thing would've still needed dealing with
[23:49] <vorlon> glibc is published.  Mass rebuilds incoming.
[23:55] <vorlon> accepting all from the unapproved queue
[23:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted haskell-charsetdetect-ae [sync] (noble-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-6]
[23:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted haskell-hoogle [sync] (noble-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg1-5]
[23:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libpng1.6 [sync] (noble-proposed) [1.6.43-5]
[23:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ukui-panel [sync] (noble-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[23:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted haskell-fgl [sync] (noble-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[23:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted octave-control [source] (noble-proposed) [4.0.1-1ubuntu1]
[23:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kbuild [sync] (noble-proposed) [1:0.1.9998svn3604+dfsg-1]
[23:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pkg-haskell-tools [sync] (noble-proposed) [0.12.5]
[23:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted connectagram [sync] (noble-proposed) [1.3.5-2]
[23:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-13 [source] (noble-proposed) [13.2.0-23ubuntu3]
[23:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected haskell-haskell-gi [source] (noble-proposed) [0.26.7-2ubuntu1]
[23:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted newlib [sync] (noble-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>31231-2]
[23:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted entropybroker [sync] (noble-proposed) [2.9-8]
[23:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted indi-gige [sync] (noble-proposed) [0.1+20221223115700-2]
[23:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted google-android-installers [sync] (noble-proposed) [1710437545-3]
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[00:56] <blackdog> Hi all - I've got a new m3800 running ubuntu, and love pretty much everything about it except the touchpad so far. I've noticed that when i start moving the pointer and accidentally brush the pad with another finger at the same time, the pointer stops dead. On Mac it seems to just ignore the second event - is there a way to regain that behaviour?
[06:22] <faizabul> hi
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> morning faizabul
[06:22] <faizabul> gm
[06:22] <faizabul> I hav samsung galaxy note 2 N7100
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> !devices
[06:22] <faizabul> nd I wnt to install ubuntu touch on it
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> look here mate
[06:23] <faizabul> i m newbie
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> best working devices are now nexus7 devices
[06:23] <faizabul> si shuld i install it on note 2 or not?
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> faizabul: later this year 2 phone brands will release ubuntu-touch devices
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> faizabul: look at the list url, to see your device
[06:24] <faizabul> wher is the url
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> faizabul: scroll above
[06:26] <faizabul> do i need ubuntu in my laptop also
[06:26] <faizabul> to install it on my device
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> faizabul: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/n7100
[10:39] <ChrisLuck> Hi! I installed ubuntu touch on my nexus4 yesterday and need a little help ;) In every review, they show something like an "app-store" in the apps-dash. but this section  is missing on my device. i dont get any apps suggested. Can someone please, please tell me what i'm doing wrong?
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> ChrisLuck: restart your device and enable/disable wifi maybe it will show apps sugested
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> i have it on my nexus7 aswell, doesnt always show sugested apps
[11:20] <ChrisLuck> ok, is will try that :)
[11:27] <ChrisLuck> no, that didnt help. i restartet 2 times and toggled wifi several times.
[11:27] <ChrisLuck> my device says ubuntu 14.04 (r303) in the menu
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> hmmm
[11:28] <ChrisLuck> maybe i used the wrong channel, wenn i installed it?
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> i think we are version r50
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> you still running the old ubuntu touch maybe?
[11:28] <ChrisLuck> i tried the "devel" channel and the "trusty-proposed" channel
[11:29] <ChrisLuck> right now it is "trusty-proposed"
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> i have channel=devel
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> this is the version who gets updated
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> think you better reinstall
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> with chanel=devel
[11:29] <ChrisLuck> hmm okay, is will try to reinstall devel
[11:30] <ChrisLuck> ok ok thank you :)
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> np :p
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> looking good already on my nexus7
[14:11] <lotus|touch> ogra:its little hard to get keyboard on freenode irc app
[14:12] <lotus|touch> and on kiwi cant get keybord at all
[14:12] <lotus|touch> can you make type bar little higher maybe
[14:13] <lotus|touch> ogra_
[15:00] <ChrisLuck> I reinstalled ubuntu touch now, with "ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel". Sadly the "suggested apps"-section is still missing :(
[15:04] <AskUbuntu> Flash Ubuntu Touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/474927
[15:08] <ChrisLuck> I also cant install any updates. I get the (truncated) error message: ProsessError: 0 ErrorInProcess...
[15:08] <ChrisLuck> for example when i try to update the weather app
[15:19] <popey> ChrisLuck: hi
[15:19] <popey> ChrisLuck: once flashed, go to system settings -> accounts and add an ubuntu one account
[15:19] <popey> then you can install apps
[15:19] <ChrisLuck> i already did that
[15:19] <popey> ok
[15:19] <ChrisLuck> but i cant see the apps
[15:20] <ChrisLuck> only the ~20 standard apps like phone,gmail, weather...
[15:20] <ChrisLuck> the "suggested apps" section is missing
[15:20] <ChrisLuck> and the fact that i cant update apps is a second problem, i guess
[15:21] <popey> lemme test here
[15:21] <popey> what version are you running?
[15:21] <popey> in system settings -> about
[15:21] <popey> and what device
[15:22] <popey> i have just updated calculator on mine.
[15:22] <popey> and calendar
[15:22] <ChrisLuck> nexus 4; ubuntu 14.10 (r50)
[15:22] <popey> same here
[15:22] <ChrisLuck> installed from the devel channel today
[15:22] <popey> i would remove your u1 account and re-add it
[15:22] <ChrisLuck> and it tells me that i have 7 updates to install
[15:23] <ChrisLuck> but when the update progress-bar reaches 100% i get the error
[15:24] <ChrisLuck> i just created a new u1 account and it didnt help :(
[15:24] <popey> tried rebooting?
[15:24] <ChrisLuck> not since i added the new account
[15:25] <popey> give it a try
[15:26] <ChrisLuck> while it is rebooting: there is one more thing strange. in reviews i saw, that they have grooveshark in the "scope"-screen. thats missing on my device too
[15:26] <popey> odd
[15:27] <ahayzen_> sounds like all of the online stuff isn't appearing?
[15:28] <ChrisLuck> video and music scope is empty too (dont know if this is normal)
[15:29] <ChrisLuck> ok i rebooted and it didn't help :P
[15:29] <ahayzen_> i would expect the grooveshark and online videos to show... ChrisLuck if you open the web browser can you go to a web page?
[15:30] <ChrisLuck> yes, i can. just visited one.ubuntu.com without problems
[15:31] <ChrisLuck> i'm using wifi for this and i dont have a sim card inserted right now (but i tried with simcard too)
[15:31] <ahayzen_> hmmm popey any other ideas?
[15:31] <ahayzen_> ChrisLuck, yeah i'm WiFi only as well
[15:31] <ChrisLuck> maybe my hardware is too new? because i got it brandnew from google yesterday
[15:32] <ahayzen_> ChrisLuck, this is a nexus 4 right?
[15:32] <ChrisLuck> yes
[15:33] <ahayzen_> ChrisLuck, same, not something like the 'Dash search' switch being on 'Phone' instead of 'Phone and Internet'
[15:33] <ChrisLuck> oh
[15:33] <ahayzen_> ChrisLuck, (under System settings -> security and privacy)
[15:33] <ChrisLuck> that might be the problem
[15:33] <popey> i see online stuff here
[15:34] <ChrisLuck> and boooomm, it works :D
[15:34] <popey> hah
[15:34] <popey> \o/ security working as designed ㋛
[15:34] <ahayzen_> :)
[15:34] <ChrisLuck> thank you very much!
[15:35] <popey> ahayzen_: pushed new music to store
[15:35] <ChrisLuck> i thought it is like in desktop unity where you can switch off the amazon search results....
[15:35] <ahayzen_> popey, \o/
[15:35] <popey> it doesn't show up as an update on my #50
[15:35] <ChrisLuck> but apperently this is different here
[15:35] <ahayzen_> popey, i only saw calendar/calc on #57 as updates
[15:35] <popey> ahayzen_: i see music on #56
[15:36] <popey> er 57
[15:36] <ahayzen_> popey, ah but i have custom clicks installed
[15:36] <popey> nope, 56 ☻
[15:36] <ahayzen_> popey, oh mediascanner2 fixes landed in #57
[15:36] <popey> have you updated to 57?
[15:36] <popey> my flo is borked on 57
[15:36] <ahayzen_> popey, now we are waiting for autopilot tests to work
[15:36] <popey> too scared to update nexus 4
[15:36] <ahayzen_> popey, yeah i'm on #57
[15:37] <popey> ok, will update then and blame you if it borks
[15:37] <ahayzen_> popey, victor was on 56 added the testing silo and tht did a similar thing to you
[15:37] <ahayzen_> popey, but then he reflashed and it came back to life
[15:37] <popey> uh
[15:37] <popey> now you tell me
[15:37] <popey> just pressed install
[15:37]  * ahayzen_ comes with no insurance
[15:37] <popey> expecting fail
[15:37] <ahayzen_> popey, hah we thought it was something random as we couldn't reproduce
[15:38]  * ahayzen_ hides behind pillow before popey launches his Nexus at him
[15:38] <popey> hah
[15:38] <popey> i would never throw them, too fragile
[15:38] <ahayzen_> yeah only poke?
[15:38] <popey> booted fine here
[15:39] <ahayzen_> phew
[15:41] <popey> yay, 3 updates showing on #57
[15:41]  * ahayzen_ wonders if popey would be a good candidate for dogfooding our mediascanner2 branch
[15:44] <ahayzen_> popey, there is a click package here if u do want to try it https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3XynHVKfrvMRWtlN3E3WE1iOEU
[15:45] <popey> lemme test without that on #57 first
[15:45] <popey> then with it
[15:46] <ahayzen_> popey, cool :)
[15:46] <popey> once I can get some music onto the device
[15:46] <ahayzen_> heh that would help
[15:48] <popey> might wipe all my music data and start again
[15:48] <popey> seeing no media
[15:49] <popey> cover art I mean
[15:49] <ahayzen_> popey, is this with mediascanner 1/2?
[15:51] <popey> well i have lots of old metadata on it
[15:51] <popey> so need to start a bit fresher
[15:51] <ahayzen_> yeah probably best
[15:55] <popey> ahayzen_: #57 has mediascanner and mediascanner-2.0, right?
[15:55] <ahayzen_> popey, should do... http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/57.changes
[15:55] <ahayzen_> popey, why?
[15:56] <popey> ii  mediascanner   0.3.93+14.04 armhf        Media scanner package
[15:56] <popey> ii  mediascanner2. 0.101+14.10. armhf        Media scanner package
[15:56] <popey> just wondered
[15:56] <popey> stupid phone keeps connecting to the furthest access point away from me
[15:56] <ahayzen_> popey, when we land music-app with mediascanner2 in the click store i'll propose my branch to remove grilo/mediascanner1 :)
[15:57] <ahayzen_> popey, report a bug! lol
[15:57] <popey> ☻
[15:57] <ChrisLuck> popey and ahayzen: is still have the problem :( now, i can see the internet content but i still cant install the apps. I will try --wipe now, or do you want me to test something?
[15:58] <ahayzen_> ChrisLuck, maybe try redoing your U1 account/restarting as you now have enabled online scopes?
[15:59] <ChrisLuck> i tried rebooting and i tried redoing u1 account
[15:59] <ChrisLuck> i have it set to "phone and internet"
[16:00] <ahayzen_> ChrisLuck, hmm look at the logs?
[16:00] <ChrisLuck> and it says "Download or install failed. Please try again"
[16:00] <popey> yeah, be good to rummage at logs in /home/phablet/.cache/upstart
[16:01] <popey> whatever most recent log is, maybe ubuntu-download-manager log?
[16:08] <popey> ahayzen_: still seeing missing artwork in the app where it shows in the scope
[16:08] <popey> is that fixed in the version you linked to?
[16:08] <ahayzen_> popey, is this with my click or with what is in the store?
[16:08] <popey> store
[16:08] <ahayzen_> popey, yeah you need to run our click
[16:08] <popey> ok
[16:09] <ahayzen_> popey, the store is still using mediascanner1...the click uses mediascanner2
[16:09] <popey> got it
[16:09] <ahayzen_> :)
[16:10] <ahayzen_> popey, feedback is welcome on that click as it is a major change :) we *think* it has gone smoothly without regressing
[16:14] <popey> sure ☻
[16:14] <popey> wifey is out this evening so will do some testing then
[16:15] <ChrisLuck> ADDED TO Q
[16:15] <ChrisLuck> REGISTER OBJ
[16:15] <ChrisLuck> State changed Ubuntu::DownloadManager::Daemon::FileDownload(0xb77fc720, name = "bc8aa6011e7448a6ac585c26cf04397e")
[16:15] <ChrisLuck> "/com/canonical/applications/download/bc8aa6011e7448a6ac585c26cf04397e"
[16:15] <ChrisLuck> virtual void Ubuntu::DownloadManager::Daemon::Download::emitError(const QString&) "COMMAND ERROR"
[16:15] <ChrisLuck> State changed Ubuntu::DownloadManager::Daemon::FileDownload(0xb77fc720, name = "bc8aa6011e7448a6ac585c26cf04397e")
[16:15] <ahayzen_> popey, hehe thanks this is the MP if u need to leave comments https://code.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/use-mediascanner2.0/+merge/214140
[16:15] <popey> k
[16:16] <ahayzen_> ChrisLuck, please use http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ to paste logs so you don't spam the channel
[16:16] <ChrisLuck> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7559715/
[16:17] <ChrisLuck> sorry
[16:17] <ahayzen_> ChrisLuck, no problem
[16:17] <ahayzen_> popey, seen that before ^^ ?
[16:18] <popey> nope
[16:18] <popey> ChrisLuck: are you on a starnge internet connection?
[16:18] <popey> proxied, or very slow?
[16:19] <ChrisLuck> no, phone->wifi->router->internet
[16:19] <ChrisLuck> but i can try to get closer to the router
[16:19] <popey> i have seen that COMMAND ERROR before but not recently
[16:20] <ChrisLuck> when i try to update one of the stock apps i get a different error but i cant find it in the logs
[16:20] <ChrisLuck> it says "ProsessError: 0 - ErrorInProcess..."   and nothing more
[16:22] <popey> how odd
[16:22] <popey> sorry about that, I've not seen it at all on my 3 devices here
[16:23] <ChrisLuck> thank you anyway ;) I will try --wipe now
[16:23] <frecel> I got this from my app review for usc
[16:23] <frecel> There is also a spurious error regarding the framework which I have already reported to the security team..
[16:23] <frecel>   "error": {
[16:23] <frecel>     "lint_framework": {
[16:23] <frecel>       "text": "'ubuntu-sdk-14.04' is not a supported framework"
[16:23] <frecel>     },
[16:24] <frecel> am I supposed to do something about this?
[16:25] <popey> frecel: two things.
[16:25] <popey> 1) it shouldn't fail IMO, I asked jdstrand to look at that
[16:25] <popey> 2) you could bump to a 14.10 framework in the meantime
[16:26] <popey> brb
[16:26] <ahayzen_> popey, oh FYI don't try and run autopilot with that click as it is currently broken balloon s is looking into it
[16:28] <popey> k
[16:33] <frecel> popey: I changed my framework in the manifest file to 14.10 and this is what I got after trying to submit it
[16:33] <frecel>             The package has an invalid framework specified in the manifest. The currently allowed frameworks are: ['ubuntu-sdk-13.10', 'ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev1', 'ubuntu-sdk-14.04-papi-dev1', 'ubuntu-sdk-14.04-qml-dev1', 'ubuntu-sdk-14.04-html-dev1', 'ubuntu-sdk-14.10-html-dev1', 'ubuntu-sdk-14.10-papi-dev1', 'ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml-dev1', 'ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev1', 'ubuntu-sdk-14.04', 'ubuntu-sdk-14.04-html', 'ubuntu-sdk-14.04-papi', 'ubuntu-sdk-14.04-
[16:33] <frecel> qml'].
[16:33] <frecel> popey: which framework should I be using?
[16:34] <popey> frecel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Click/Frameworks -> https://docs.google.com/a/popey.com/spreadsheets/d/1t_JGpg4r8BLluzfzmqa-gAbcKUjKUOufSCTSdPpFc5g/edit#gid=0
[16:34] <popey> thats the reference
[16:42] <frecel> popey: thanks, I submited the new version already
[16:42] <popey> ok
[16:43] <popey> ☹
[16:43] <popey> commented on it
[16:43] <popey> not sure we can fix this till jdstrand is around, and I expect he's flying back from Malta right now
[16:43] <popey> (and the airport was evacuated a few hours ago) ⍨
[16:45] <frecel> interesting
[16:45] <frecel> should I just go back to 14.04?
[16:53] <popey> frecel: well, the tool doesn't like 14.04 either
[16:54] <frecel> popey:  hmm 13.10 then?
[16:55] <popey> ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev1 should work IMO
[16:56] <popey> new apps aren't allowed to use 13.10
[16:57] <frecel> so you think I should just change the security policy version to 1.2?
[16:57] <popey> yes, if we keep 14.10
[16:57] <popey> frecel: basically you need to get it to pass http://launchpad.net/click-reviewers-tools
[16:57] <popey> if it passes that, great
[17:09] <frecel>  popey: do you have docs for these tools somewhere?
[17:10] <popey> basically just branch it and then run bin/click-run-checks foo.click
[17:10] <popey> thats it
[17:13] <popey> gah, ahayzen_ your music app click is failing the reviewer tools too because       "text": "'ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml-dev1' is not a supported framework"
[17:13] <ahayzen_> popey, but we need it to be on 14.10...
[17:14] <frecel> blame popey
[17:14] <popey> yes, blame me.
[17:14] <popey> ahayzen_: cool, will install anyway
[17:14] <ahayzen_> popey, 'ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml-dev1.framework' exists in /usr/share/click/frameworks ... so i blame popey :P
[17:14] <ahayzen_> popey, i assume the reviewer tools need updating for the new frameworks?
[17:15] <popey> yeah
[17:15] <popey> it'll be done in due course
[17:15]  * ahayzen_ wonders if popey will get the click to work as Victor is struggling with strange dbus issues
[17:15] <popey> NOW you tell me!? :)
[17:15] <ahayzen_> popey, well it works for balloon s
[17:16] <ahayzen_> popey, this was shortly after his phone was not booting the UI so....
[17:16] <popey> heh, okay
[17:16] <ahayzen_> popey, u can always revert back to the store ;) but we just need people testing this branch
[17:17] <popey> ya
[17:17] <popey> am keen to get this working
[17:17] <ahayzen_> same and so are loads of other people... we want grilo removed from the image \o/
[17:17] <popey> how do you transfer music to your device out of interest?
[17:18] <ahayzen_> popey, MTP
[17:18] <popey> k
[17:18] <popey> how much music?
[17:18] <ahayzen_> popey, 3 albums usually at least 1 flac album 1 mp3 and sometimes a m4a
[17:18] <ahayzen_> depends how bored of the same music i get
[17:19] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~/Music$ find . -type f | wc -l
[17:19] <popey> 324
[17:19] <frecel> speaking of music, my music app doesn't work
[17:19] <popey> oh?
[17:19] <popey> what version and what image number?
[17:19] <ahayzen_> frecel, oh whts up?
[17:20] <frecel> 57 but it didn't work in 56 either
[17:20] <ahayzen_> frecel, does the app start? or white screen then return to the scope?
[17:20] <frecel> I pick a file to play and it does nothing
[17:20] <ahayzen_> ah
[17:20] <ahayzen_> frecel, mp3 right?
[17:21] <frecel> it just stays at 0:00
[17:21] <frecel> mp3, I tried multiple files
[17:21] <ahayzen_> frecel, popey, we have seen some issues with some types of mp3 that don't play, jim said it could be something in gst...
[17:22] <ahayzen_> frecel, do u mind sending me one of the files then i can test, if i suffer the same i'll send it to jim so he can debug
[17:22] <frecel> ok
[17:22] <daker> ahayzen_: me too some mp3 don't play
[17:22] <ahayzen_> so now everyone tells us mp3s don't play!
[17:23] <ahayzen_> lol
[17:23] <popey> ☻
[17:23]  * ahayzen_ hugs flac
[17:23] <popey> Some music app *that* turned out to be ㋛
[17:23] <ahayzen_> hah lol
[17:24] <daker> ahayzen_: they worked before, it just with the switch to media-hub...
[17:24] <ahayzen_> frecel, either a gdrive/dropbox share or ahayzen at gmail dot com
[17:24] <ahayzen_> daker, yeah thts wht we suspected.... media-hub moved to gst1.0 from 0.1 right?
[17:24] <frecel> ahayzen_: I just started uploading it to my web server
[17:24] <ahayzen_> frecel, ah cool
[17:26] <frecel> ahayzen_:  http://opensourceteaparty.com/03.mp3
[17:26] <frecel> :D
[17:27] <ahayzen_> frecel, thanks
[17:27] <ahayzen_> frecel, yeah it doesn't work for me either
[17:28] <frecel> interesting
[17:28] <ahayzen_> frecel, i'll send a mail to the media-hub guys thanks for the file
[17:29] <ahayzen_> frecel, only difference i can spot to mp3s that do work is that yours is at a VBR
[17:29] <ahayzen_> frecel, or it seems to be
[17:34] <frecel> ahayzen_: I wouldn't know, the only thing I know about audio is how to change the volume
[17:35] <popey> heh
[17:35] <ahayzen_> frecel, hah no worries
[17:36] <frecel> popey: so are you passing apps that get framework errors or do I have to wait until the review tools get updated?
[17:37] <popey> frecel: I'm not sure what to do tbh
[17:37] <popey> my general rule is if it fails, I dont let it in
[17:37] <popey> ahayzen_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7560219/
[17:38] <popey> when playing a song from the music scope to launch music app
[17:38] <popey> brb
[17:38] <ahayzen_> frecel, i've made a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub/+bug/1325241 please feel free to add more info... i'm ust pinging a mail direct to them as well
[17:38] <daker> ahayzen_: i think yes, the old qtmultimedia backend was gst 0.1 and now media-hub is using 1.0
[17:39] <frecel> so launchpad has pirated music on it now
[17:40] <ahayzen_> frecel, ah well it was gonna happen
[17:40] <daker> ahayzen_: Jono's album(Trilogy) doesn't play
[17:40] <ahayzen_> popey, as in the music didn't play ?
[17:40] <ahayzen_> daker, is that a good or bad thing ;) lol
[17:40] <frecel> well thats what he gets for leaving :D
[17:41] <ahayzen_> popey, ah i see if the app is already running it doesn't work
[17:42] <ahayzen_> popey, oh no it was just incredibly slow took like 30 seconds
[17:42] <ahayzen_> daker, feel free to add more info to the bug if you have any
[17:43] <daker> ahayzen_: done
[17:43] <popey> ahayzen_: it sat at 0
[17:44] <ahayzen_> popey, oh right was it an mp3?
[17:44] <ahayzen_> popey, thought you were saying the uri-handler was broken
[17:44] <popey> yeah, nothing plays
[17:44] <popey> inside the app
[17:44] <frecel> I also found an annoying thing that if you use the browser to play moosic from a service like grooveshark the screen has to be on otherwise playback stops
[17:44] <popey> all sit at 0:00
[17:44] <ahayzen_> is 'works for me' good enough? lol
[17:44] <popey> frecel: please file a bug, i think it's supposed to do that, but it's (IMO) mental
[17:45] <frecel> reading something in polish and typing in english is not good for my spelling
[17:45] <daker> frecel: known, the playback needs to passe from oxide to media-hub, so the playback doesn't work
[17:45] <daker> doesn't stop*
[17:45] <ahayzen_> popey, so wht exactly are you doing, eg is the has the app been started? you are clicking on a single track in the scope and it then doesn't play?
[17:50] <popey> ahayzen_: yes
[17:50] <popey> ahayzen_: lemme reboot and start fresh playing a song in the app
[17:50] <ahayzen_> popey, hmm i gotta go out for dinner i'll try when i get back
[17:53] <popey> ahayzen_: kk, enjoy
[17:55] <popey> yeah, reboot, opened app, added tracks to queue, hit play, no audio, and play indicator sits at 0:00
[18:37] <daker> popey: tail -f /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/media-hub.log
[18:37] <daker> then hit play
[18:38] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7560618/
[18:40] <daker> same thing for me
[18:40] <daker> it doesn't give any error
[18:41] <popey> [Sat May 31 19:37:57 2014] type=1400 audit(1401561478.425:198): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" parent=1901 profile="/usr/bin/media-hub-server" name=2F686F6D652F706861626C65742F4D757369632F4465204C6120536F756C2F332046656574204869676820616E6420526973696E672F4465204C6120536F756C202D20332046656574204869676820416E6420526973696E67202D203032202D20546865204D61676963204E756D6265722E6D7033 pid=2296 comm="media-hub-serve" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r"
[18:41] <popey> do you get apparmor denials in "dmesg -T | grep DEN"?
[18:41] <popey> oh, hang on
[18:41] <popey> bet my files are root owned because I adb pushed them
[18:42] <daker> ahaha
[18:42] <daker> i think so :D
[18:42] <daker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7560628/
[18:44] <creature> Can I configure multi-finger swipes in Ubuntu? So I could have two-finger-swipe-left to be "Go back" in the browser?
[18:44] <popey> \o/ plays
[18:44] <popey> ahayzen_: \o/ all works
[19:05] <doflaherty> are we able to use Qt3D in the SDK?  It doesn't seem to be installed on the phone
[19:10] <frecel> I got an UI bug, replicated it twice then connected the phone to my desktop to take a screenshot and can't replicate it anymore
[19:14] <popey> heh
[20:36] <ar1ekin> hello there
[20:39] <ar1ekin> i wanna give a try to ubuntu touch on my phone, but i didn't found any of my devices on list (either samsung galaxy young or samsung galaxy mini), does that leave me completly abandoned till ubuntu became available for this devices, or maybe differences aren't THAT immportant and i can get by with image for, for instance, samsung galaxy s ?
[20:45] <ar1ekin> anyone here ?
[23:12] <ahayzen_> popey, o/
[23:30] <popey> ahayzen: yo
[23:31] <ahayzen> popey, ok i'm confused i thought my file wasn't working but it now is
[23:31] <popey> ahayzen: yeah, works okay
[23:31] <ahayzen> popey, so everyone that copied the file ended up making them with owners of root rather than phablet?
[23:31] <popey> no
[23:31] <ahayzen> popey, so lesson is ... use MTP rather than adb push ?
[23:31] <popey> well, yes
[23:31] <popey> but mtp is busted for me
[23:32] <popey> it copies half the files then gives up
[23:32] <popey> "file a bug"
[23:32] <ahayzen> popey, ah i've had tht nautilus just gives up 1 out of 10 times
[23:33] <ahayzen> popey, otherwise how is/did the testing go of the mediascanner2 things? did the album art work?
[23:33] <daker> popey: me too
[23:37] <ahayzen> daker, popey, is there a bug for this?
[23:37]  * ahayzen thought it had improved since moving to trusty desktop
[23:38] <daker> whenever i tries to copy files using mtp, mtp stops at the first files then throws an error "error object..."
[23:42] <popey> i thought it was just me
[23:42] <popey> seems not
[23:43] <popey> ahayzen: go outside in 1 min, ISS going over
[23:43] <popey> bug 1317263
[23:43] <ahayzen> popey, i've done tht before....damn i'm in a high light pollution area :/
[23:44] <ahayzen> popey, strange watching a white dot go across the sky thinking...there are always people on that
[23:47] <popey> cloudy here
[23:47] <popey> cant see it
[23:47] <popey> i have stellarium open so i pretend to see it
[23:48] <popey> Elleo showed me his port of stellarium to ubuntu phone, looked quite neat on a phone
[23:51] <Elleo> yeah, still need to figure out what's going wrong with the touch input on that
[23:51] <Elleo> but I've had a sudden proliferation of side-projects lately, so might not get back to it for a while
[23:53] <ahayzen> popey, hah ... omg stellarium on Ubuntu Phone would be awesome
[23:53] <ahayzen> popey, like basically Google Sky for Ubuntu Touch?
[23:54] <Elleo> ahayzen: yeah, except the digital compass in the phone is working in Ubuntu Touch yet, so you can't do the nifty thing of holding it against the sky yet
[23:54] <Elleo> isn't working*
[23:55] <ahayzen> Elleo, ah damn but it would still be awesome to have it :)
[23:55] <Elleo> yeah, and I expect the lower level folks will get the compass stuff implemented in the future


[10:26] <mparillo> The upstream version it is fixed in should be in your bugs.kde.org bug report. And if you know your package name, you could apt-cache policy yourpackagename. But there may be a better way.
[11:01] <RikMills> vsteel_: The installer bug? no-one in the installer team has uploaded or merged the fix yet :(
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:26] <vip> hi
[11:47] <blaze> upgrade to groovy guerilla seems to be succesful
[13:35] <vsteel_> @RikMills Yes that is the one.  Thank you for then information. I was hoping there was a way I could check for myself so I could see the changes in the daily ISO.
 @vsteel_, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/groovy-desktop-amd64.manifest
 That shows all the packages and versions on the iso
 I sometimes grab the latest and the previous and use 'kompare' KDE app to see what changed.
 But there is no easy 'log'
[13:48] <vsteel_> @RikMills That is good information, thank you.


[00:06] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Sorry to report running behind on UWN - I try and catch it up soonest.
[00:08] <guiverc> I hadn't noticed... still somewhat zombie like (lacking sleep as release time is my normal sleep time..)
[00:11] <krytarik> I've been meddling with the GDoc earlier a little myself for some odd reason.. >_>
[02:18]  * Bashing-om Tips hat to krytarik for taking up my slack - Gdoc up2time presently :)
[02:22] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om & krytarik
[13:47] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Sean Davis: What's New? April 2021 @ https://bluesabre.org/2021/04/24/whats-new-april-2021/
[18:03] <Bashing-om> UWN: Added 21.04 to our WIKI template - Gdoc caught up.


[09:27] <xubuntu63w> hello
[09:29] <xubuntu63w> I have been having some issues with the DNS cache updating in xubuntu 14.04, and did some looking around. It appears the following issue is still present in 14.04 (see solution right at the bottom) http://askubuntu.com/questions/368435/how-do-i-fix-dns-resolving-which-doesnt-work-after-upgrading-to-ubuntu-13-10-s
[09:29] <xubuntu63w> is this something that is being looked at?
[12:47] <xubuntu07w> hello ! i've got a question about AMD vs Intel systems... do both work with Xubuntu?
[12:48] <xubuntu07w> i'm at the verge to buy a new PC, and i can't really decide which processor to choose !
[12:49] <Pici> Of course they do.
[12:49] <xubuntu07w> does the graphics card matter?
[12:50] <xubuntu07w> a intel I5 quadcore system is prebuild around 700 dollar, and a AMD Hexacore is around 100 dollar less
[12:51] <bekks> Which GPU do they have?
[12:51] <xubuntu07w> an I5 4460 and a AMD 6600K
[12:51] <xubuntu07w> both Radeon R7 240
[12:52] <xubuntu07w> i've read that de I5 is much faster...
[12:52] <xubuntu07w> but does this really matter? ( got an old Core2 duo laptop...)
[12:53] <xubuntu07w> so every new PC is faster than i have now
[13:48] <xubuntu70o> anyone has lost close/maximize/minimize icons on windows on last update?
[13:49] <holstein> xubuntu70o: i would check into "decorations".. i would try as a different user, to see if my user config is the issue
[13:50] <holstein> but, im just firing that out quickly as i run.. in case its slow here...
[13:50] <xubuntu70o> thank you
[13:51] <xubuntu70o> I also can only write on the app/window that has the focus and can't change it
[13:51] <xubuntu70o> any idea what could have gone wrong?
[13:53] <krytarik> xubuntu70o: The window manager isn't started on login apparently - xfwm4.
[13:56] <xubuntu70o> how can i solve that?
[13:56] <xubuntu70o> takin into account that currently I can only write on google chrome :)
[13:59] <krytarik> xubuntu70o: Press Alt+F4, then run "xfwm4".
[13:59] <xubuntu70o> that will close chrome
[14:00] <xubuntu70o> and take me to the desktop...
[14:00] <krytarik> Whoops, Alt+F2. :P
[14:00] <xubuntu70o> already tried that
[14:00] <xubuntu70o> but focus still on chrome
[14:01] <xubuntu70o> can it be found by mouse navigation?
[14:03] <krytarik> xubuntu70o: Via the panel, sure - "Accessories → Run Program..."
[14:03] <xubuntu70o> not tha
[14:03] <xubuntu70o> xfwm4
[14:03] <xubuntu70o> :)
[14:04] <krytarik> Nope.
[14:04] <xubuntu70o> in which file should xfwm4 be invoked?
[14:04] <krytarik> You could start it via the terminal too though - if that works any better.
[14:05] <xubuntu70o> can't get the focus there :(
[14:05] <krytarik> That's the name of the executable too.
[14:10] <krytarik> Well, the cumbersome way: press Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a tty; log in there; run "DISPLAY=:0.0 setsid xfwm4"; switch back to your session with Ctrl+Alt+F7.
[14:10] <krytarik> xubuntu70o: ^
[14:12] <xubuntu70o> i get a warning "cannot open display 0:0"
[14:12] <xubuntu70o> or something like that
[14:12] <krytarik> xubuntu70o: After that, you should clear any saved sessions: "Settings Manager → Session and Startup → Session → Clear saved sessions".
[14:14] <krytarik> xubuntu70o: Then it's a different DISPLAY for you.
[18:29] <mchelen> can i increase mouse cursor size above 48?
[18:30] <tenguix> package libuuid1:amd64 2.25.1-3ubuntu4.1 cannot be configured because libuuid1:i386 is at a different version (2.25.1-3ubuntu4) --- What should I do here?
[18:38] <mchelen> tenguix: try uninstalling both packages, then installing libuuid1:amd64?
[19:08] <Insano-Coyote> Hello
[20:19] <bynarie> anyone know what the default value of lightdm.override is
[20:20] <bynarie> n/m
[21:13] <xubuntu532> test
[21:14] <knome> success
[22:22] <knob> Hello everyone...
[22:22] <knob> A couple of days ago, one of my dual monitors stopped working.   I suspected the graphics card
[22:23] <knob> Yet I tested both monitors individually, and they both work fine (both monitors, both cables).
[22:23] <knob> I bought an additional graphics card... and now, if I run lpsci | grep VGA, I see both graphics cards listed... yet..  ??
[22:23] <knob> How can I "enable" the second one?
[22:23] <knob> What.... can I do for this?  I am at a loss
[22:35] <mrkramps> knob, you will have to setup a custom configuration in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to make the XServer use both cards
[22:55] <knob> mrkramps, googling that now...
[22:55] <knob> Can I do it grahically?  Via de Settings GUI?
[22:58] <knob> Maybe I should go back.  Is there a way I could find out what has been updated, via the ubuntu (xubuntu's?) update tool?
[22:58] <knob> Seems to me, something got updated, and "broke" the dual monitors.