[00:53] <Pici> that was original.
[02:34] <zhxk> stuff, help: someone as a manager to #ubuntu-cn baned my ip just because of a little angry freedom speech
[02:34] <bazhang> zhxk, what you were pasting all over just last week?
[02:35] <zhxk> thats the freedom speech
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> zhxk: a) #ubuntu-cn is not managed by this channel, b) you are required to follow the channel guidelines anywhere on IRC.
[02:35] <bazhang> zhxk, #ubuntu-irc is the place to address this, by the way
[02:35] <zhxk> stories
[02:36]  * tonyyarusso didn't see those pastes, but HIGHLY doubts anything described as "angry freedom speech" (whatever that is) and "stories" could possibly be on-topic for a support channel
[02:36] <bazhang> zhxk, /join #ubuntu-irc and /msg their ops
[02:38] <Pici> Hes been a problem in #ubuntu in the past.
[02:38] <Pici> And in #freenode
[02:38]  * rww ponders "FloodBot9" in #ubuntu
[02:38] <bazhang> * [FloodBot9] (~root@<IP_ADDRESS>.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net): Suttiwit
[02:39] <tonyyarusso> I've seen that tactic before.
[02:50] <bazhang> I'd have banned him in #ubuntu if I've could have read the format at the time.
[02:50] <bazhang> err I
[03:13] <rww> and OpenVMS wandered in as "Floodbot8". I take it there's an active trollpit somewhere.
[03:13] <bazhang> * [FloodBot8] (~Machine0@cdm-75-109-71-162.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net): Wintervenom
[03:20] <rww> Ormie was the other Floodbotposter, btw.
[03:20] <IdleOne> Floodbotposter??
[03:20] <bazhang> nice catch
[03:20] <bazhang> floodbot9
[03:21] <rww> Floodboster? I don't know, I'm not good at smashing words together.
[03:21] <bazhang> suttiwit ^^
[03:21] <IdleOne> he joined as floodbot9?
[03:22] <bazhang> yep
[03:22] <IdleOne> he can seek support elsewhere
[03:22] <bazhang> he and openvms seem to be tag-trolling
[03:22] <IdleOne> I got openvms banned already for floodbot8
[03:23] <IdleOne> they should no better then to impersonate official channel bots
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> rww: I believe you were going for "Floodposter"
[03:23] <rww> that works
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne should know the difference between homonymns.
[03:23] <bazhang> nymns!
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> guess I had an extra n in there.
[03:24] <IdleOne> your going to make me look it up
[03:25] <tonyyarusso> AAAAUUUUUUGGGH
[03:25] <bazhang> sound alikes
[03:25] <tonyyarusso> He did it again :(
[03:25] <rww> whowhat
[03:25] <IdleOne> wherewho
[03:25] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne.   DON"T tell me what I meant :P
[03:31] <rww> !iui
[03:31] <rww> still needs making :(
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> internationalized user interface?
[03:32] <IdleOne> funny thing is I haven't had a drink in months, not even that 1 beer I mentioned up there. /me was pretending/lying/faking it
[03:32] <IdleOne> wait
[03:33] <IdleOne> I just proved my lack of edumacation didn't I?
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> Yes.
[03:33] <IdleOne> k
[03:34] <tonyyarusso> nxt ul b all lik, tlkin lik sum ideeut tween w a nu fon
[03:35] <IdleOne> need a vowel?
[03:35] <rww> u and a and i and e are vowels
[03:35] <rww> also o
[03:36] <IdleOne> look who went to high school
[03:36] <IdleOne> show off
[03:36] <rww> also sometimes y i think i don't know
[03:36] <bazhang> yes
[03:37] <IdleOne> I used to have a really lame leet talk script
[03:37] <IdleOne> wonder if it'll work in xchat
[03:37] <rww> ubottu needs @moonphase
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> haha
[03:38] <IdleOne> hehe
[03:45] <tonyyarusso> rww: this data seems surprisingly hard to get with a script
[03:46] <rww> why you need script
[03:46] <rww> isn't it calculateable from the current date
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> I suppose you should in theory be able to do that.
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> Not sure it's easier though :P
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> that would still be a script though, of course
[03:48] <rww> it's pretty easy. you only need to know 1) the moon phase on one date, 2) the period of moon phase cycling, 3) arithmetic
[03:49] <rww> Flannel figured it out for me a while back when I was graphing ops calls as a function of moon phase, iirc.
[03:51]  * tonyyarusso scripts it up
[04:04]  * tonyyarusso wonders how to divide a timedelta by a timedelta
[04:21] <IdleOne> samurai sword
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> rww: Apparently the velocity of the moon has significant variation, as I suspected, but the arithmetic way should be close enough for our purposes.
[04:33] <IdleOne> the speed the moon orbits earth is not constant?
[04:34] <IdleOne> interesting
[04:35] <Archbuntu> SUP My NIGGAS!  WHERE THE BITCHES AT!??
[04:35] <IdleOne> Archbuntu: Can we help you. Also please don't swear or use racial slurs
[04:35] <Archbuntu> O SORRY WRONG CHANEL
[04:36] <IdleOne> Archbuntu: Please read the topic and specifically the part about not idling in here. Thanks.
[04:37] <Archbuntu> OOOO MAH BAD!  K PEACE OUT DAWG
[04:44] <IdleOne> managed to change his ident but doesn't know how to join a channel
[04:44] <IdleOne> errr ip not ident
[04:45] <rww> HAY HI I TRIP OVER NETWORK CABLE IT CHANGE IPEES HOW U
[04:46] <Ormie> Hello
[04:46] <IdleOne> thank you Ormie
[04:46] <Ormie> IdleOne: Yo are very welcome
[04:46] <IdleOne> The reason I banned you earlier is because you joined #ubuntu with the nick floodbot9 and that is IMO a bad idea
[04:47] <IdleOne> impersonating a channel bot or channel op is never good
[04:47] <Ormie> You know i want you to check my home work for me please?
[04:47] <IdleOne> Ormie: what?
[04:48] <Ormie> 111111111x111111111=12345678987654321 Is it correct?
[04:48] <IdleOne> ok, I see this is not going to be productive
[04:48] <rww> Ormie: yes
[04:49] <Ormie> Thanks and now where am i?
[04:50] <IdleOne> you are now in #ubuntu-ops
[04:50] <IdleOne> Ormie: Can I trust that you plan on following the channel guidelines?
[04:50] <IdleOne> !guidelines
[04:50] <Ormie> What is the diffrent bettwen ubuntu and ubuntu-ops
[04:51] <Ormie> My english is not that good
[04:51] <IdleOne> Ormie: Please read the link ubottu just posted
[04:51] <rww> Ormie: #ubuntu is the technical support channel for Ubuntu Linux. #ubuntu-ops is the channel where operators in Ubuntu's core channels reside.
[04:53] <Ormie> rww: Could you make it easier to understand beacause my english is not realy good
[04:53] <IdleOne> your English was fine two days ago when you were looking for help installing google earth
[04:54] <IdleOne> your english is fine enough for you to figure out changing your ip
[04:54] <maco> er i dont think ip changing requires english..
[04:54] <IdleOne> true
[04:55] <Ormie> IdleOne: I don't speak much enlish so i am not good at english now
[04:55] <rww> IdleOne: mind if I have a try?
[04:55] <IdleOne> please
[04:56] <rww> Ormie: IdleOne took you out of #ubuntu because you changed your name to 'FloodBot9'. Copying our channel bots is confusing and not allowed, so don't do it again.
[04:57] <rww> Ormie: Also, when you're in Ubuntu channels, follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[04:57] <rww> Ormie: Do you understand these two things?
[04:57] <Ormie> IdleOne: How do you ban people Professor IdleOne?
[04:57] <Ormie> rww: ye.....yes
[04:59] <rww> Ormie: Alright. Please feel free to go back to #ubuntu. Remember that if you don't follow the IRC Guidelines and we have to talk to you again about it, you'll stop being able to go into #ubuntu for a while.
[05:00] <Ormie> rww: You know i am starting to have some fun here can i be here for a few moments
[05:03] <Ormie> Where is idleOne?
[05:03] <IdleOne> How can I help you?
[05:04] <IdleOne> I removed the ban I set, you can /part this channel and then /join #ubuntu
[05:04] <Ormie> How can you ban people?
[05:04] <Ormie> No don't answer i know
[05:04] <maco> by being an operator
[05:05] <Ormie> dude i want to be an operator
[05:05] <rww> !canibeanop
[05:05] <IdleOne> I have seen crazier things happen
[05:06] <rww> IdleOne becoming an op, for example
[05:06] <IdleOne> yeah
[05:06] <Ormie> IdleOne: What is crazy?
[05:06] <IdleOne> wanting to become an op
[05:06] <IdleOne> but I wish you luck.
[05:07] <Ormie> Dude Please i want to be op
[05:07] <IdleOne> Ormie: we are done in here so please part this channel as we do not allow non-ops to idle here
[05:07] <rww> Ormie: then read the links that ubottu said
[05:07] <IdleOne> look at the link ubottu just gave you
[05:08] <Ormie> Goodbye all my friends i'm sure gonna miss you
[05:17] <IdleOne> err script fail. didn't remove when I set the forward
[06:25] <bazhang> if someone wants to help walk ormie through setting up his operator application, he's in -irc; I am off for a bit
[09:02] <tonyyarusso> wha?  #ubuntu lacks ChanServ.
[09:03] <bazhang> so does #kubuntu
[09:03] <tonyyarusso> And, I seem unable to add bans?
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> @login
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[09:04] <bazhang> but you opped up
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> Yes, I did.
[09:05] <tonyyarusso> Okay, I can *remove* bans...
[09:08] <bazhang> perhaps the banlist is full and the floodbots are not telling us
[09:09] <tonyyarusso> Actually, I can add bans, just not THIS one, apparently.
[09:10] <tonyyarusso> All right, I give up.  FYI<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was spamming channel advertisement in #python a bit ago, might circle around.
[09:12] <bazhang> looks like openmike
[09:12] <bazhang> the floodbots already got him I thought
[09:13] <bazhang> yep
[09:16] <tonyyarusso> Oooh
[09:16] <tonyyarusso> In that case, catch up bantracker!
[09:17] <bazhang> ormie was the one sockpuppeting as suttiwit and asking to be an op not too long ago
[11:11] <Jordan_U> It's probably innocent but a931bw may be phishing.
[11:11] <elky> what makes you say that?
[11:11] <elky> oh, -ot
[11:14] <elky> phix == thefeds iirc
[11:14] <Jordan_U> If you could get someone to *send* a text it can automatically cause a charge to be made to your phone's account, e.g. the texts for charity and bad puns.
[11:15] <Jordan_U> But that doesn't sound like you would be able to make enough to be worth phishing that way.
[11:15] <elky> Jordan_U, ok, i was mostly trying to get you to explain the accusation in the flow of this channel.
[11:16] <Jordan_U> To make things easier to follow, a931bw has been asking for someone in the UK, when asked why he responded: 03:08 < a931bw> registering somewhere and there is : half of your password will be sent by text message to this phone
[11:24]  * elky feeds him some rope.
[11:27] <Jordan_U> elky: I wouldn't go so far as to assume it's phishing and accuse. I have never heard of a scam like this, and I can't see a way of making enough to be worthwile.
[11:28] <elky> i'm not
[11:30] <Jordan_U> I'm pretty sure that if it just involved filing in the person's number on a web form, and having them recieve the text (i.e. no text sent by the person, only recieved) that there's no way their account could be billed.
[11:31] <elky> are you actually reading what i've said in -ot?
[11:31] <Jordan_U> It's 3:30 AM for me, so I'm not at my best.
[11:32] <elky> and btw, you can be subscribed to godonlyknowswhat that will cost lots of moneys to receive texts.
[11:33] <elky> and no, it doesn't require you to do anything
[11:33] <Jordan_U> Yes, but you would notice 500 texts sent to your phone.
[11:33] <elky> sure, but this is the point after you've given your number out.
[11:33] <Jordan_U> And I don't see how anyone could profit from that, just troll.
[11:33] <elky> who says it's for profit?r
[11:34] <elky> "for the lulz" means more to most trolls than money
[11:35] <Jordan_U> Yes, but I would feel much worse having let someone unwittingly be charged money than having let someone troll "for the lulz".
[11:36] <elky> you're assuming the result differs there
[11:36] <Jordan_U> And in the case of trolling the person would at least learn a lesson to be more carefull in the future.
[11:38] <Jordan_U> elky: Being charged £20 a month for years (depending on how closely the person reads their bills) will cost much more than texting spam ever could.
[11:41] <Jordan_U> But it seems like it was innocent, and whoever helped them is probably now alerted to pay attention to their bill.
[11:44] <elky> Jordan_U, i think you need to go to bed.
[11:45] <Jordan_U> elky: I agree, thank you :)
[11:54] <jrib> hi, am I missing something or are recent #ubuntu logs not to be found at irclogs.ubuntu.com?
[11:55] <elky> recent as in since when?
[11:56] <jrib> I checked december 3rd, 10th, and 11th
[11:58] <jrib> They seem to stop appearing on November 28
[11:59] <elky> ouch. um, poke the sysadmins channel and submit an rt
[11:59] <elky> we can't actually do anything other than that ourselves
[11:59] <elky> unless someone like jpds spots this
[11:59]  * elky whistles innocently
[11:59] <jrib> "rt"?
[11:59] <elky> @ubuntu.com
[12:00] <elky> (request tracker)
[12:01] <elky> afaik the log bots are managed by the IS team in canonical, and the IS team look at the rt when they're trying to avoid scrubbing the toilets with a toothbrush.
[12:02] <jrib> ah
[12:02] <jrib> I'll send the e-mail and see what happens I guess
[12:02] <elky> :)
[12:05] <jrib> now this means I have to type my question from scratch again :(
[12:08] <elky> you lack copy-paste?
[12:09] <elky> are you still using an iFailPhone?
[12:10] <jrib> elky: nah, my question I asked on December 3rd
[12:10] <elky> ah
[12:10] <elky> did nobody respond on any of those days?
[12:11]  * elky has been travelling abroad for work the past fortnight, and hence offgrid a lot
[12:11] <jrib> I only asked on the 3rd.  I had found a related bug report and included it in my question I think
[12:12] <jrib> I'm pretty sure I can upgrade if I remove my nvidia drivers, but I'd rather not...
[12:12] <elky> jussi, might i suggest that there be a nagios or icinga set up for the various things like this? It wouldn't take much to do a check to see if $prev_day exists for #ubuntu, for example.
[12:13] <elky> could also do a check on the floodbot hosts.
[12:17] <jrib> oh well I have an hour to kill... let me break my system...
[12:18] <elky> heh
[12:20] <jrib> and upgrades going... weird
[12:21] <LjL> hey j, want some help breaking the system? i'm good at it
[12:21] <jrib> LjL: is this going to mess up my system at all?
[12:22] <jrib> I like that quote
[12:22] <LjL> heh
[12:51] <LjL> maybe that's better as a forward to here as he might not realize he has a script enabled in the first place
[12:59] <blackest> hi i tried to join #ubuntu and found i was banned any idea why that might be I'm not in the habit of misbehaving
[12:59] <LjL> hi
[12:59] <blackest> hi Ljl
[12:59] <LjL> bazhang: your ban
[13:00] <LjL> blackest: you might possibly have been caught in a subnet ban. please wait until the person who set the ban comes up
[13:01] <blackest> how would i know who that was havent been on irc for months
[13:02] <LjL> blackest: he'll show up himself, don't worry. or other ops may try to find out what happened.
[13:02] <LjL> i can only do so much, as i'm not an op in #ubuntu
[13:03] <blackest> ok thanks i was looking for someone and hoped they mght be on their
[13:04] <blackest> there  even thanks
[13:04] <LjL> someone who might be on #ubuntu you mean? you know you can check with /whois anyway?
[13:05] <blackest> would that return the channel he is on ?
[13:06] <LjL> no, not unless he's set -i, but everyone is +i by default
[13:06] <LjL> but you can always start a private conversation
[13:06] <blackest> well whois returns his name
[13:07] <LjL>  /whois name name (with the name twice) should also tell you when he last spoke, so you can decide whether it's worth trying to contact him now
[13:07] <LjL> if so, then /query name should open a private message window
[13:07] <blackest> cool thanks i've used irc on and off for years but i never remember the commnds
[13:08] <LjL> would someone kindly check the bantracker for whether blackest's ban was intended on him?
[13:10] <blackest> I've a feeling its not since every time my ip shows up as dublin and i'm in cork
[13:10] <LjL> i have a feeling it's not too, since it's a pretty broad ban that covers a lot of IPs
[13:12] <topyli> not by nick, username, or ip unless my search fails
[13:12] <topyli> well username is common enough to be discarded i suppose
[13:13] <blackest> i usually use blackest_knight
[13:13] <topyli> ah there is a ban on the ip
[13:13] <LjL> the relevant ban is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:14] <blackest> great thats about 77,000 banned any way found the guy i was looking for
[13:15] <blackest> thanks for your help guys
[13:15] <LjL> (and then they complain about my open proxy banforwarding ;\)
[13:15] <LjL> blackest: sorry for the trouble
[13:16] <blackest> no worries i've been around long enough not to get upset
[13:36] <jpds> elky: You will find that the RT is quite clean of remaining tickets at the moment.
[13:37] <jpds> elky / jrib: I believe the situation is that the raw logs are there, however the sheer quantity of logs means that HTML generation takes a little while longer.
[13:38] <jrib> jpds: raw logs don't seem to be there
[13:38] <jrib> ubuntulog isn't in #ubuntu atm
[13:38] <jpds> jrib: raw logs are moved across when HTML is done.
[13:38] <jrib> jpds: ah
[13:38] <jpds> Oh, cool.
[14:14] <nhandler> elky: Maybe make that suggestion to Canonical. We have no access, so anything we do on our side to check about logs would still need to end up getting sent to Canonical to sort out.
[14:31] <jpds> nhandler: Hmm.
[17:48] <Myrtti> troll is trolling
[17:49] <Pici> maybe if we ignore it he'll go away.
[17:54] <Myrtti> !guidelines > Solnce
[17:54] <Myrtti> topyli: damn ;-)
[17:54] <Pici> I wouldn't expect much, he was trolling #freenode earlier
[17:54] <Myrtti> me neither
[17:55] <topyli> well, they asked
[17:59] <Myrtti> Pici: it will, cause next time I'll ban 'im
[18:03] <Myrtti> topyli: are you going to remove im too?
[18:03] <Myrtti> or what is your logic
[18:04] <LjL> making him stop steaking while keeping a pretence of not having banned him?
[18:04] <topyli> he left as i expected
[18:04] <IdleOne> scare tactic, he is pointing the missiles at him with the threat of launching
[18:04] <IdleOne> Lunch!
[18:05] <Myrtti> I guess that works...
[18:05] <Myrtti> now just have to keep eyes peeled for other channels
[18:13] <Myrtti> holaaaaa
[18:33] <rww> HI HAY SIR
[18:34] <Pici> I WANT THIS UBUNTU
[18:34] <rww> MY BUNTY BROKE
[21:24] <LjL> noooo :(
[21:24] <Pici> yesssss
[21:25] <LjL> this way no one ever learns the urls :(
[21:26] <Pici> But now we know if people click them
[21:26] <Pici> http://goo.gl/info/TAyvJ#week
[21:27] <Pici> Plus the topic is a lot shorter
[21:30] <LjL> i see, but i don't like it, it looks so much less professional :(
[21:33] <topyli> LjL: maybe you should speak in the meetings more :)
[21:34] <LjL> not if i care about my blood pressure
[21:34] <tsimpson> LjL: it doesn't matter anyway, no one reads the topic ;)
[21:34] <topyli> the only channel i know where people read the topic is -ot
[21:40] <mneptok> 22:35 -!- mneptok changed the topic of #unix to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuaiLIUQz5M
[21:40] <mneptok> happy holidays :)
[21:58] <LjL> btw since at this point i've felt compelled to read the meeting logs
[21:58] <LjL> why instead of having yet another boring official document about bot style guides
[21:58] <LjL> whoever feels the need for style in the bot doesn't just edit the factoids to that effect
[21:58] <LjL> because you know, i've been doing that since 2006
[21:58] <LjL> it's why a large number of factoids show my name when you !- them
[21:59] <LjL> sometimes doing things is better than writing collegial, well-thought documents about doing things
[22:00] <tsimpson> simple: if more people have edit right, and so more people edit factoids, I'd rather they did it "right" than have to go through all the factoids and edit them
[22:07] <topyli> LjL may have a wiki-style point there. wikis don't always deteriotate to a mess, although they sometimes do
[22:08] <LjL> tsimpson: you do remember that initially, bot editing was open to *everyone*
[22:08] <topyli> the factoids may be more important than you think though LjL, people actually rely on them to do pretty critical stuff on their systems
[22:08] <LjL> instead of being discussed which select few it should be restricted to, while all the suggestions get ignored
[22:08] <tsimpson> yep, twice in fact
[22:08] <tsimpson> though no one knew the second time
[22:09] <topyli> LjL: it's not a good idea to refer to what things were like in the beginning. they are different now that ubuntu is big
[22:09] <LjL> topyli: if i didn't think they were very important i'd not have spent between 2006 and 2008 going through them daily
[22:09] <LjL> yes they're crap
[22:09] <LjL> good factoid suggestions get systematically ignored
[22:09] <topyli> they do, agreed
[22:09] <LjL> and when people come here asking about it you go "ignored? when were they ignored? can you provide logs?"
[22:10] <tsimpson> that's a different issue to the one we discussed in -meeting
[22:10] <LjL> and the factoids, and for that matter http://help.ubuntu.com/, have become an utter joke
[22:10] <tsimpson> but related, yeah
[22:10] <LjL> while everyone is busy making styleguides about them
[22:11] <tsimpson> I don't want anything complex, just a general format guide
[22:11] <tsimpson> based on what they are already like
[22:13] <topyli> LjL: if we're going to give edit rights to lots of new people, don't you think it's a good idea to have some documentation on how to do it?
[22:13] <topyli> i don't have access, if i'm going to be granted it i would like to know how it's done
[22:41] <LjL> having some documentation is not a bad idea
[22:41] <LjL> i'm just reacting to what i feel is behind it
[22:42] <LjL> but for instance i think it's an even better idea if new editors *ask* things and they're coached kindly and professionally by whoever is around to do it that knows. just like it would be nice if good suggestions were accepted into the bot by whoever is around that can put them there.
[22:42] <IdleOne> yeah not so crazy about all the goo.gl shortlinks
[22:42] <LjL> things that somehow just don't seem to happen. then perhaps i'm wrong to put it down to what i feel is an excessive eagerness to write guides and regulations, but it's human to try to find a culprit
[22:43] <rww> Policy is the enthusiasm killer. Policy is the little death that brings total inaction.
[22:44] <LjL> well the real reason i don't like the shortlinks is that i've always (and yes, this has come up before) seen it as a point of honor of #ubuntu compared to other channels on #freenode that its ops were careful to keep the topic short by being clever, while not crushing the links
[22:44] <LjL> real links that mean something are professional
[22:44] <LjL> 37s292D#" is nto
[22:45] <IdleOne> I feel more comfortable clicking a link that has some actual words in it
[22:45] <IdleOne> 37s292D# doesn't instill confidence in me or make we want to click it
[22:46] <Pici> .__.
[22:46] <IdleOne> telling people to "read the topic" is going to be a joke now
[22:47] <Pici> Its not like we just threw links up there with no descriptions.
[22:47] <IdleOne> Pici: I know, but I rather click on wiki.ubuntu.com/Guidelines the goo.gl/gooblygoo
[22:48] <jrib> I don't like the short links either
[22:48] <IdleOne> seeing the ubuntu.com for one makes it seem in my mind more official.
[22:48] <topyli> i don't think documentation on how to edit factoids will make new editors any less likely to ask for help from more experienced ones
[22:49] <Pici> I still ask for input and I'm trapped in the factoid factory.
[22:50] <IdleOne> Leave the topic as is if you wish but IMHO it looks bad
[22:51] <Pici> We can revisit it later.
[22:51] <topyli> sure
[22:51] <Pici> Theres only been 4 clicks for the guidelines anyway, and its probably all of you based on the countries: http://goo.gl/info/cEF1w#day
[22:51] <topyli> meanwhile, please complain on the mailing list
[22:52] <IdleOne> Why do we need to keep track of the number of clicks. We getting paid for them?
[22:52] <Pici> yes
[22:53] <IdleOne> heh
[22:53] <Pici> IdleOne: Actually we wanted to see if we could track if people actually read the topic.
[22:53] <topyli> we don't need to keep track. but i think it's useful to know if anybody really do click them
[22:54] <IdleOne> well, I am not trying to start a war over this. just wanted to say i didn't like the color of paint chosen :)
[22:59] <Jordan_U> Pici: If #grub is any reference, very few people actually read the channel topic.
[23:05] <LjL> topyli: why don't you take the complain to the mailing list attitude to the mailing list
[23:09] <topyli> heh
[23:11] <topyli> the mailing list really is better though, it's more forgiving to timezones and allows everyone to chip in better


[02:02] <bluesabre_laptop> ochosi: I was considering using thumbnails in the --thumbnails mode and/or having a tooltip with a small thumbnail and additional data
[03:05] <micahg> mr_pouit: it builds at least :)
[03:40] <bluesabre_laptop> ochosi: latest catfish commit now has the 'find' search infobar pop up after doing a locate search.  Check it out.  =D
[06:05] <knome> hey.
[06:09] <Unit193> Jello.
[15:45] <ochosi> hi everyone
[15:45] <ochosi> currently on a train :)
[15:46] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: nice stuff!
[15:46] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: the infobar is quite huge though, maybe we should think of something more subtle (maybe in the statusbar?)
[16:49] <pleia2> astraljava: about? just getting some notes together for our QA discussion
[16:56] <pleia2> knome: oops, we link /TestinInfo on our website, but it was deleted
[17:01] <pleia2> astraljava: just give me a ping when you're around :) I should be here for at least the next hour or so
[17:06] <astraljava> pleia2: Hiya, just came home from rollerskating. :)
[17:07] <pleia2> :D
[17:07] <astraljava> Sadly I haven't looked into the material so far, but I'm sure we can just start the process initially, and set goals for the following meetings.
[17:09] <pleia2> yeah, what I have to talk about is mostly just some links and stuff I learned at UDS
[17:09] <pleia2> we can discuss further after you research at the proper meeting :)
[17:10] <astraljava> Right, sounds good to me.
[17:11] <pleia2> ok, so the first one I attended was about how (and if?) there needs to be improved communication between the QA/Testing teams
[17:11] <pleia2> there are lots of them: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/03/whos-who-on-quality-in-ubuntu.html
[17:12] <astraljava> Okay, that's handy.
[17:12] <pleia2> it was pretty much decided that the teams operate themselves so no need for consolidation of volunteers was needed (lubuntu folks are happy to work with lubuntu testers, etc)
[17:13] <astraljava> Fair enough, but we do have that one QA/testers weekly meeting, already.
[17:14] <pleia2> yeah, they were wondering if they needed something beyond that to consolidate further
[17:14] <astraljava> Oh okay.
[17:14] <pleia2> so they might do another meeting twice a cycle or so to check in with some of the QA/Testing leads to see if they need help or anything
[17:15] <pleia2> I also asked a bit about the http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/ wiki
[17:15] <pleia2> we should move our testcases wiki pages there soon:
[17:15] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TestingInfo/Short
[17:15] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TestingInfo/Long
[17:15] <pleia2> and if we want to write our own Install pages to be linked from the QA tracker, that's cool too (instead of relying upon generic Ubuntu ones)
[17:16] <astraljava> I guess we should, we will have varying ubiquity tasks at least.
[17:17] <pleia2> yeah, I don't see it as a huge deal since we seem to manage ;) but it might be nice
[17:17] <pleia2> the little post install tasks are all ubuntu-specific too, but they can all be done in xubuntu without much trouble at all
[17:17] <pleia2> just things to think about
[17:18] <pleia2> the last thing I learned was about Checkbox
[17:18] <pleia2> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/CheckboxTestCases
[17:18] <pleia2> automated testing for applications, we could write some :)
[17:18] <astraljava> Yeah, I was intrigued about this one.
[17:19] <pleia2> I poked around the wikis some, this seems to be the most comprehensive page about it and links to other resources
[17:19] <pleia2> shows how to write them, submit them, etc
[17:19] <astraljava> I've been writing some test automation in python at work before, so I'll have some interesting times ahead to see how it fares with the existing ones.
[17:19] <pleia2> cool
[17:20] <pleia2> that's pretty much it
[17:21] <astraljava> Okay, thanks for sharing! I've been very psyched about getting this progressing during the quantal cycle, but unfortunately real life stepped in the way for the beginning. Hopefully it'll now calm down a bit.
[17:21] <astraljava> Would you be interested in setting some semi-regular work meetings for this?
[17:22] <astraljava> I'm not sure how often we'll have other meetings, so it might help in coordinating the thing.
[17:22] <pleia2> sure
[17:22] <astraljava> Once every three weeks or so?
[17:23] <pleia2> sounds good :)
[17:23] <astraljava> Do we have a Xubuntu calendar somewhere?
[17:23] <pleia2> yeah, sec
[17:24] <pleia2> http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=383qgn907l43kd425bteqjg850%40group.calendar.google.com
[17:25] <pleia2> ical: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/383qgn907l43kd425bteqjg850%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
[17:26] <pleia2> nothing on it yet since we haven't decided next meeting yet ;)
[17:28] <astraljava> Shall we schedule the next one three weeks from now?
[17:29] <astraljava> Oh wait, I'm going to a gig that night. You're UTC-7, right?
[17:30] <pleia2> yeah
[17:31] <astraljava> Is 17th good for you?
[17:31] <pleia2> probably
[17:32] <pleia2> I'll let you know if something comes up :)
[17:32] <pleia2> 16:00 UTC is probably better than 17:00 though
[17:36] <astraljava> Isn't that quite early for you?
[17:37] <astraljava> Oh, no.
[17:37] <astraljava> Sorry.
[17:37] <pleia2> 9AM
[17:37] <astraljava> A little preoccupied, watching the ice hockey finals at the same time. :D
[17:37] <pleia2> I usually don't have plans on weekends until 11 or later, so 9 or 10AM seems to work ok
[17:38] <astraljava> So, 17th of June, 1600 UTC. Let's see if I can create the event.
[17:39] <pleia2> I can add it
[17:40] <astraljava> Ok, thanks. I don't have authority to do it, seems like.
[17:40] <pleia2> done \o/
[17:44] <astraljava> Cool, thanks!
[17:45] <astraljava> I'll post to the -devel list about this a little closer to the event.
[17:45] <pleia2> great, thanks
[17:46] <GridCube> lol only me and madnick answered the doodle
[17:46] <GridCube> no one else did
[17:46] <GridCube> thats nice
[17:46] <GridCube> not even knome
[17:46] <astraljava> What doodle?
[17:46] <GridCube> the one knome sent to the mailing list http://www.doodle.com/6gifbcka8fzvrzz9
[17:47] <GridCube> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-May/008218.html
[17:49] <pleia2> I have a flexible schedule and am not traveling any of those days, wherever it lands is fine
[17:50] <GridCube> mark all the times and hours then
[17:50] <pleia2> not really worth my time
[17:52] <Unit193> I'm open all days, except for ones I'm not.
[17:56] <astraljava> Does my entries show up now?
[17:56] <astraljava> Do*
[17:57] <astraljava> Ahh, it wants for each day of the week, not only Sunday the third.
[17:59] <astraljava> WTF? It won't let me save.
[18:00] <astraljava> I have to create an account for that?!
[18:31] <astraljava> Well apparently OpenID should work, but still it won't let me save.
[18:31] <astraljava> So, tough luck.
[19:51] <bluesabre_laptop> ochosi: catfish -- filtering works for mimetypes and dates now.  Also, I have enabled live filtering, so when you have results, you can add or remove filters and it will be applied immediately.  :D
[20:45] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: cool :) we should definitely tell kalikiana about this
[20:46] <bluesabre_laptop> true, I'll post a message to him on xfce-dev
[20:46] <ochosi> wow, works great
[20:47] <ochosi> i'm fairly impressed :)
[20:47] <bluesabre_laptop> good to hear
[20:47] <ochosi> one more thing i thought about today:
[20:47] <ochosi> when the zeitgeist-suggestion is a single filename, it's kinda stupid to then search for it
[20:48] <ochosi> cause usually you'd get a single file as result-set
[20:48] <bluesabre_laptop> yeah, didn't really know how else to use the suggestions though
[20:48] <ochosi> and that takes longer than the original suggestion
[20:48] <ochosi> so i was wondering whether we should try to make users execute the "exo open" command on them
[20:49] <ochosi> i mean: add a second row to the suggestion-box with an icon
[20:49] <ochosi> it's either a searchglass or the stock_open icon
[20:49] <ochosi> if it's a filename with ending, use the stock_open icon and clicking it executes exo-open on the file
[20:50] <ochosi> in fact in the other case maybe no icon is better than the searchglass
[20:53] <bluesabre_laptop> That's a good point.  But as long as we don't have a button for search, isn't it better to keep the searchglass?
[20:55] <ochosi> no, i meant really add those icons to the popup-list
[20:55] <knome> anybody interested in moderating the xubuntu mailing lists?
[20:56] <Unit193> I'm not on the users one, but I'm at leaset subscribed to -devel. :P
[20:56] <knome> + ochosi, we should probably think about the team structure, now that i think about it; does it make sense somebody is in the artwork team if he's not in the xubuntu team?
[20:56] <knome> Unit193, then you don't seem like a good candidate :P
[20:56] <Unit193> Riiiight.
[20:56] <knome> Unit193, i mean, messages to -devel is fine, there aren't so many of those to moderate
[20:56] <ochosi> knome: haven't given the team structure much thought tbh
[20:57] <ochosi> knome: but it's a good point. we'll have to talk about this sometime soon (have a presentation tomorrow and am already pretty tired)
[20:57] <knome> mmh, i'm tired too
[20:57] <knome> and i should do a few things before going to sleep..
[20:58] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: one more thing i just noticed: i think it's better to drop the horizontal padding on the sides of the treeview, but add it for the statusbar
[21:00] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: the other thing i noticed (but if you're aware of it, forget it) is that the menu-button should be a toggle-button instead of a normal button (i.e. stay pressed down as long as the menu is open)
[21:01] <ochosi> knome: i updated the terminal-colors-spec and linked to a github repo from where you can test the color-scheme i linked you to recently
[21:02] <knome> could you actually just send an email so i don't forget?
[21:02] <knome> x-devel is fine too, and you might get more feedback
[21:02] <bluesabre_laptop> ochosi: not a fan of the padding?  On the menu button, I knew about it, just being lazy to fix it.  I'll have that on the next commit
[21:03] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: i'm a fan of the padding everywhere but the treeview i think (now that i use it, i know i had it in my first mockup...)
[21:04] <ochosi> i think what looks oddest is the infobar with padding
[21:05] <bluesabre_laptop> I agree with that
[21:05] <bluesabre_laptop> I might toy around with it a bit
[21:05] <ochosi> sure sure, anyhoo, never take my comments as much more than suggestions
[21:06] <ochosi> after all, you're doing the heavy lifting
[21:06] <bluesabre_laptop> doesn't hurt to have an extra opinion though
[21:07] <ochosi> yup
[21:07] <ochosi> not sure whether you already had plans for the custom-button in the time-section, but you could hook that to a gtkcalendar
[21:10] <bluesabre_laptop> I thought there was a calendar widget!  Thanks for the tip.  Didn't see one in glade so I was making a minimal thing
[21:10] <ochosi> :)
[21:10] <ochosi> for the documents i guess the easiest thing is let people add file-endings for now
[21:11] <bluesabre_laptop> I was considering using the mimetypes class and having a combobox with known mimes or let the user enter file extensions
[21:12] <bluesabre_laptop> ()
[21:12] <bluesabre_laptop> woops
[21:12] <ochosi> another point for later is the search-syntax ("$string $string" == match $string & $string instead of match "$string $string")
[21:12] <ochosi> (or allowing regexp or what do i know)
[21:13] <bluesabre_laptop> that might be an easy fix
[21:14] <ochosi> yeah, i just don't wanna distract you with 1000 things at the same time
[21:14] <ochosi> knome: ok, mail sent
[21:16] <ochosi> darn, i'm really tired and as i mentioned before i have a presentation tomorrow...
[21:16] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: sorry, gotta hit the sack now, i'll probably not be around tomorrow much (meetings all day) but will be around more again on tuesday the latest
[21:17] <bluesabre_laptop> k, seeya
[21:17] <bluesabre_laptop> look forward to some big updates for catfish
[21:18] <ochosi> i do already :)
[21:18] <ochosi> (i might just quickly pull and test in a break tomorrow ;) )
[21:19] <ochosi> night everyone!
[21:19] <knome> ochosi, thanks ;)
[21:20] <knome> night!


[00:01] <Sarvatt> broder: you have to build mesa with --enable-xa, install libxatracker and xatracker.pc, then rebuild xf86-video-vmware master with those installed, its not in edgers yet
[00:01] <broder> ah, ok
[00:01] <broder> i'll, uh, probably wait until somebody else has done the hard work for me :)
[00:02] <Sarvatt> it'll be in the archive next week hopefully :)
[00:03] <RAOF> We'll get a 7.12/8.0 release branch by then, right? :)
[00:03] <Sarvatt> Prf_Jakob said friday or monday, intel guys said christmas, hoping so :)
[00:03] <Prf_Jakob> RAOF: thats mostly up to the intel guys
[00:04] <Sarvatt> been all kinds of fun shoving crap in the past few days, xcb fun
[00:04] <Prf_Jakob> we are waiting for them
[00:06] <Sarvatt> RAOF: huey? :)
[00:06] <RAOF> Sarvatt: I'll stick it in my suitcase :)
[00:06] <Sarvatt> having to use vga through a kvm on one of my machines, desperately needs color correction
[00:22] <tomreyn> hi looks like the latest x-edgers mesa is broken due to a build option change: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2012-January/016748.html
[00:23] <tomreyn> causing me to run into this on oneiric amd64: libGL.so: undefined reference to `xcb_glx_set_client_info_arb'
[00:25] <Sarvatt> tomreyn: update
[00:25] <Sarvatt> fixed that this morning
[00:27] <tomreyn> gah sorry
[00:27] <Sarvatt><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:28] <Sarvatt> was the fix
[00:35] <tomreyn> thanks. time to reboot
[00:40] <tomreyn> yup, looks good now.
[01:03] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[15:42] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt: Hey, just make sure you have xatracker installed before building video-vmware.
[15:42] <Prf_Jakob> Also make sure you don't have a old one installed :-/
[20:33] <robclark> so... any ideas about why I'd be getting memory corruption that seems to center around gnome+libxi if I use ubuntu gnome packages (gnome-session, gnome-settings-daemon, etc) w/ vanilla upstream xorg rebuilt from git (ie. without multitouch patches)?
[21:30] <robclark> ok, seems to work better of I edit library path so gnome picks up libs from my private build (/usr/local/xorg/lib) rather than /usr/lib/$ARCH/..
[21:31] <robclark> does seem like there is some problem with some of the libs (libxi) talking to a non ubuntu xserver
[21:33] <robclark> hmm.. maybe I speak too soon..  startx at least survives, but once running still get lots of things closing unexpectedly..


[15:59] <sil2100> Hey guys! How can I, using LP API, check for packages in the UAPPROVED queue for a series?
[16:09] <sil2100> ...nevermind, found it!


[03:40] <systems> hi, general question is it dangerous to run clamscan as root
[04:53] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:42] <yocs0000> Since updating the kernel, my kubuntu 17.10 64 bit does not read anymore sd cards using the sd card reader
[14:43] <yocs0000> Anyone who can help?
[15:37] <Metaphysiker> My problem: In Okular, as soon as I highlight the text, the whole text of the page disappears. However, this happens only on some PDFs. I assume that this is a PDF-related problem, not an Okular-related problem. But I don't know, what I have to google for. Has anyone an idea? I have a GIF, which shows the problem. Thanks in advance
[16:12] <hamburghammer> ehy
[16:12] <hamburghammer> hey
[16:50] <hamburghammer> hello
[17:17] <ryzokuken> hey everyone!
[17:21] <ryzokuken> could someone help me choose between neon and kubuntu?
[17:29] <ryzokuken> nobody?
[17:30] <EldonMcGuinness> I say kubuntu, but only because I use it :-P
[17:31] <ryzokuken> EldonMcGuinness: any ideas why Neon would be worse? :P
[17:32] <Carbon> I am trying to mount a ubuntu share on another ubuntu server any ideas where I am going wrong im  using sudo mount 192.168.X.X:/home/dbrom/ /mnt/UF/
[17:32] <EldonMcGuinness> Nope, not looked into it TBH, perfectly happy with kubuntu atm
[17:33] <EldonMcGuinness> Carbon: what are you sharing via?
[17:34] <genii> Carbon: For instance, samba or nfs
[17:35] <Carbon> nfs
[17:37] <genii> Carbon: Try removing the trailing backslashes on your remote and local URLs
[17:39] <Carbon> mount.nfs: Failed to resolve server /<IP_ADDRESS>: Name or service not known
[17:40] <genii> Carbon: Does: sudo mount 192.168.x.x:/home/dbrom /mnt/UF   ...work?
[17:41] <Carbon> no
[17:41] <genii> Does it say anything informative when you try to run it?
[17:41] <Carbon> mount.nfs: Failed to resolve server /<IP_ADDRESS>: Name or service not known
[17:42] <genii> Sounds like the nfs daemon isn't running
[17:43] <genii> work, afk
[17:48] <Carbon> mount.nfs: Failed to resolve server /<IP_ADDRESS>: Name or service not known
[17:59] <genii> Carbon: Actually, that sounds like DNS. Is this machine you're trying to reach it from on some static IP?
[18:05] <genii> ( if so specify gateway and broadcast)
[18:09] <Carbon> its static and both servers on the same network
[18:11] <genii> Check that they can ping each other
[18:13] <Carbon> yes they can ping
[18:19] <genii> Carbon: On the nfs server, does: sudo service nfs-kernel-server status     ...show that it is up and running?
[18:29] <Carbon> Whats am i looking for
[18:37] <genii> Maybe just pastebin the results :)
[18:41] <Carbon> https://pastebin.com/LvBhErjn
[18:44] <genii> Carbon: sudo chmod +r /etc/exports
[18:44] <genii> And then also sudo service nfs-kernel-server restart
[18:51] <Carbon> after restarting : https://pastebin.com/5j8xsL20
[18:53] <Carbon> ill brb
[18:58] <genii> Looks like invalid exports file
[19:09] <silver_hook> Is there a intel-microcode update anywhere in (K)Ubuntu available already to fix this Skylake/Kaby lake hyperthreading bug?
[19:09] <silver_hook> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/06/msg00308.html
[19:26] <genii> !info intel-microcode
[21:22] <fabricio_> boa noite
[22:00] <silver_hook> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-microcode/3.20170511.1
[22:47] <user|64089> i want to install kubuntu alongside windows 10 on same hard disk without losing my data, is it possible??


[06:14] <coolbhavi> ajmitch_, hey
[06:14] <coolbhavi> highvoltage, hey
[06:16] <coolbhavi> have integrated some checks of arb in lintian and m working towards some build time problems in integrating last 3 checks
[06:17] <coolbhavi> i.e lightweight arb app, deprecated python installation and maintainer script check
[06:18] <coolbhavi> hopefully over the week ll fix them and port whole arb-lint into lintian
[06:19] <coolbhavi> (with some exceptions though)
[06:19] <coolbhavi> wendar, hey
[06:21] <coolbhavi> I have a doubt, is there a possibility of a syntax error during build whereas the same passes through when checked manually
[06:39] <coolbhavi> in perl
[16:20] <highvoltage> hey coo


[05:55] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy Daily] has been updated (20230216)
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:12] <sgmoore[m]> morning
[14:13] <BluesKaj> 'morning sgmoore[m]
[14:45] <ahoneybun[m]> heyo
[14:46] <BluesKaj> hey ahoneybun[m]
[14:47] <ahoneybun[m]> BluesKaj: heyo
[14:47] <ahoneybun[m]> it looks like we have a draft for the website from early feb?
[14:47] <ahoneybun[m]> Plasma 5.18.8 now available to Kubuntu 20.04 LTS
[14:47] <ahoneybun[m]> Any news on this release?
[14:52] <ahoneybun[m]> I made a draft for the 22.04.2 release


[11:44] <czajkowski> ello
[11:49] <czajkowski> http://www.laura.community/2017/10/13/fosdem-community-dev-room-2018-cfp-now-open/ if anyone is interested
[11:49] <czajkowski> *cough* popey
[11:49]  * popey adds to to-do list
[11:50]  * knome forwards to another channel


[00:42] <micahg> I'm curious, regarding bug 298772, the first half is a dup of bug 298303, but I'm not sure what to do with the second half
[00:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 298772 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox closes when I open downlaods window" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/298772
[00:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 298303 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox Download Manager unresponsive with full disk" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/298303
[00:44] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/171037/
[00:44] <BUGabundo> I can't get kde to upgrade :(
[00:44] <kklimonda> micahg: I'd mark 298772 as invalid because reporter can't reproduce it anymore and there were few updates for firefox since nov 2008..
[00:45] <kklimonda> micahg: second part sounds like a different bug and should be reported separately..
[00:45] <micahg> kklimonda: I already established the original problem was a dupe of 298303
[00:45] <kklimonda> micahg: you could probably also mark it as a dup of 298303 and comment that the second part should be reported as a new bug.
[00:46] <micahg> hggdh:  what do you think?
[00:47] <micahg> kklimonda: I was thinking something similar
[00:53] <hggdh> hum
[00:53] <micahg> well, I followed kklimonda's advice
[00:53] <hggdh> or just comment the first part is a dup, and that we are going to disregard it, and accept the second part (and adjust the description)
[00:54] <micahg> that was my debate :)
[00:54] <hggdh> and ask the reporter to please: one issue per bug, one bug per issue
[00:54] <hggdh> :-)
[00:54] <hggdh> sorry for being late ;-)
[00:54] <micahg> np
[00:54] <micahg> I just wanted to get rid of it
[00:54] <hggdh> well, then...
[00:54] <micahg> I have some things to take care of before I start triaging for the night
[04:48] <andresmujica1> bugsquad meeting report sent to the ML..
[04:54] <andresmujica1> and published here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting/Minutes/2009-12-05
[05:50] <micahg1> hggdh: you still up?
[05:56] <micahg> anyone else available to help me triage?
[06:17] <pace_t_zulu> sup micahg
[06:21] <micahg> pace_t_zulu: do you have triage permsisions?
[06:21] <micahg> in LP?
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[07:53] <darizzle1> howdy
[12:20] <Rafik> hello, I suspect bug 371619 to be a duplicate of bug 366315, can anyone verify please ?
[12:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 371619 in ubuntu "Strange picture shutdown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371619
[12:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 366315 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "usplash corrupts and hangs on shutdown with nvidia driver" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366315
[12:29] <thekorn> Rafik, yes, I agree, I think it is save to mark them as duplicates
[12:32] <Rafik> thekorn> thanks
[14:26] <bddebian> Boo
[14:27] <pedro_> buuu
[14:28] <bddebian> :)
[15:39] <mbana> hello, this tracker-indexer is killing my machine
[16:27] <xteejx> Good afternoon guys!
[16:31] <xteejx> bug 373020 : Can anyone help to triage this, or am I doing OK with it so far?
[16:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 373020 in ubuntu "Ubuntu 9.04 - flash video requests Javascript" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373020
[16:35] <xteejx> Is there anyone here awake? Seems the bug squad numbers are ever so slowly dropping :(
[16:37] <bencrisford> I'm here :D
[16:37] <xteejx> Woohoo LIFE!
[16:38] <xteejx> Can someone from bug control change the status of bug 113552 to medium for me please?
[16:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 113552 in linux "SD card is spontaneously unmounted when files are copied to it" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113552
[16:39] <thurston> The Jaunty Desktop is unstable. Too frequently when I adjust the position of my icons, they dissapear then the desktop freezes. There seems to be some kind of refresh failure.
[16:40] <xteejx> thurston: Have you reported a bug?
[16:41] <thurston> How do I do that, I am still new to Ubuntu?
[16:41] <bencrisford> There are several ways thurston
[16:42] <bencrisford> you can go onto https://bugs.launchpad.net and click create a new bug
[16:42] <bencrisford> that is what I would do
[16:42] <bencrisford> and we'll guide you through it
[16:42] <xteejx> Easiest way is to go to launchpad.net, create an account
[16:43] <xteejx> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[16:43] <charlie-tca> xteejx: bug 113552 done
[16:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 113552 in linux "SD card is spontaneously unmounted when files are copied to it" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113552
[16:43] <xteejx> charlie-tca: thanks
[16:43] <xteejx> :)
[16:44] <xteejx> oooohhh i just noticed the OSD popped up with the mesage I like that
[16:45] <thurston> xteejx, bencrisford: Thank you guys.
[16:45] <bencrisford> np
[16:45] <xteejx> No probs thurston :)
[16:47] <micahg1> hggdh: you there?
[16:51] <valya> Hello friends, i'm having trouble with ubuntu 9.10 install. My computer overheats and reboots during installation. Is this the right place to ask for help?
[16:52] <micahg> valya: You can try #ubuntu for support.  This channel is for bug triage.
[16:52] <bencrisford> valya:  but you might want to report it as a bug
[16:53] <bencrisford> in the development stages of karmic reports are really important
[16:53] <micahg> ah, sorry
[16:53] <bencrisford> for help, you also might want to try #ubuntu-testing
[16:53] <micahg> missed that it was Karmic
[16:53] <valya> What is Karmic?
[16:53] <bencrisford> ubuntu 9.10
[16:53] <bencrisford> it is a pre-release test version
[16:54] <bencrisford> valya; have you been using ubuntu for long?
[16:54] <valya> yes. Several years
[16:54] <bencrisford> did you burn it to a CD?
[16:54] <bencrisford> or dvd/usb?
[16:54] <valya> i'm trying to install 9.10 after 8.04.
[16:54] <valya> installing from CD
[16:55] <micahg> 9.10 or 8.10?
[16:55] <valya> 8.04 installation finished nice. I worked with 8.04 several months. But now trying 9.10.
[16:55] <bencrisford> valya; if you downloaded 9.10 then you should really get 8.10/9.04
[16:55] <bencrisford> but if you want to test it
[16:55] <bencrisford> CDs wont work
[16:56] <bencrisford> it is too big, and therefore it wont be burned properly
[16:56] <bencrisford> try with a DVD, USB or virtual machine
[16:56] <bencrisford> when it comes to the final release, it will be compact enough for CDs
[16:57] <valya> thr problem is not with installer size. New installer overheats my CPU
[16:57] <xteejx> its bleeding alpha it wont be stable for a few months lol
[16:57] <bencrisford> hmm, well report it as a bug to start
[16:57] <bencrisford> otherwise itll never be stable :P
[16:58] <bencrisford> and for support you should really goto #ubuntu-testing :)
[16:58] <valya> Sorry. I mislead you. I trying to install ubuntu-9.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:58] <valya> not 9.10
[16:59] <bencrisford> ah ok
[16:59] <bencrisford> well still report it, but as a jaunty bug
[17:00] <bencrisford> when in doubt - report it, because even if it is not valid, we're here to make sure only the valid ones get triaged
[17:00] <xteejx> what status should bug 183933 be?
[17:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 183933 in php5 "[needs-packaging] php-Fileinfo package" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183933
[17:01] <xteejx> I'm thinking of setting it to confirmed as it isnt in the repositories
[17:01] <bencrisford> hmm
[17:01] <bencrisford> give me a second to read it, and ill give you my opinion
[17:01] <xteejx> thx
[17:03] <bencrisford> xteejx; well I guess if someone has the same problem then it is confirmed?
[17:03] <bencrisford> or arent i reading it right
[17:03] <xteejx> kool
[17:03] <bencrisford> i just skimmed through
[17:03] <xteejx> its a request for an addition to repos
[17:03] <bencrisford> ahh
[17:04] <bencrisford> wishlist then i think
[17:04] <bencrisford> because it isnt an urgent problem that needs fixing?
[17:04] <xteejx> confirm it then i take it
[17:04] <bencrisford> i wouldnt like to advise about this one cos i dont know
[17:05] <bencrisford> this is the php5 one right?
[17:05] <bencrisford> soz, g2g
[17:05] <xteejx> lol k
[17:08] <micahg> xteejx: bencrisford: I don't know if this is even worth it, it's coming in 5.3.0 as a standard extension
[17:08] <xteejx> don't know what that means but ok
[17:08] <micahg> http://pecl.php.net/package/Fileinfo
[17:09] <micahg> it'll be in core php and have to be packaged
[17:13] <hggdh> micahg, I am now here
[17:13] <micahg> ah
[17:13] <micahg> ok
[17:13] <micahg> bug 375784
[17:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 375784 in firefox-3.0 "http://www.bloomberg.com will not load -- Content Encoding Error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/375784
[17:13] <micahg> is it considered triaged?
[17:14] <hggdh> yes it it. Marking as such.
[17:14] <micahg> thanks :)
[17:15] <hggdh> my pleasure, micahg. Thank YOU :-)
[17:16] <hggdh> xteejx, bencrisford workflow bugs are not dealt by -bugsquad (bug 183933)
[17:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 183933 in php5 "[needs-packaging] php-Fileinfo package" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183933
[17:17] <xteejx> since when? i thought it was confirm if they're not in repos, and wishlist it as its a request for a package? its been a good 6-9 months since i was triaging
[17:17] <micahg> hggdh: I think that should be won't fix
[17:17] <micahg> since it'll come out in php 5.3
[17:18] <xteejx> when will php 5.3 be in ubuntu though?
[17:18] <micahg> after it's stable :)
[17:19] <hggdh> xteejx, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Special%20types%20of%20bugs
[17:19] <hggdh> micahg, while I agree it would probably have to wait for 5.3, this is a workflow request, not a bug
[17:20] <xteejx> then in reality it shouldnt have the [needs-packaging] tag?
[17:20] <micahg> hggdh: true
[17:20] <micahg> I just added my 2 cents to the report though
[17:20] <bencrisford> back
[17:21] <bencrisford> hggdh: ah, woops :S
[17:21] <xteejx> is it possible to set a watch against the stability of php 5.3?
[17:21] <hggdh> xteejx, well, it is still a needs-packaging -- dependencies have to be worked out.
[17:21] <hggdh> xteejx, what do you mean?
[17:22] <hggdh> bencrisford, no problems ;-)
[17:22] <xteejx> well you can set a watch against other bugs, i.e. ubuntu/launchpad against debian, is it possible to do the same with the development of php 5.3 or this bug?
[17:22] <xteejx> ~*for
[17:23] <hggdh> I do not think so -- but it might be possible (never tried) by setting an upstream watch on the php BTS (if they do have a bug for "releasing 5.3)
[17:23] <xteejx> hgghd, i think i'll just leave this one alone
[17:24] <xteejx> im just going through all my old bugs, seeing whats happened with them, any changes
[17:25] <bencrisford> has anyone had a chance to review my bug-control application yet?  I don't mean to nag, its just I have seen a few slip through and not be answered...
[17:27] <hggdh> bencrisford, at least I have it to be answered (actually I did start, but did not have time to go on). But you will need at least two answers
[17:27] <bencrisford> ok
[17:27] <hggdh> for whatever reason, I suddenly got four or five such emails at almost the same time
[17:29] <xteejx> hggdh: any chance you can re-review my application from quite a while ago, i think i'm pretty good at triaging now and the numbers are seriously dwindling, as you know i've been around for quite a while as well....
[17:30] <xteejx> its just so much sodding around having to ask to change everything, when i have enough of a brain to know what to do myself lol
[17:31] <xteejx> what is the current kernel for i386? is it 28-12 same as 64bit?
[17:34] <charlie-tca> uname -r gives it. I show 28-11
[17:34] <charlie-tca> in jaunty
[17:34] <xteejx> thanks charlie-tca, i'm on proposed -12 i think
[17:35] <xteejx> Can someone change bug 207902 to High please?
[17:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 207902 in linux "On time set, "/sbin/hwclock returned 256"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207902
[17:38] <xteejx> bug 209673: Request: Change to Low please :)
[17:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 209673 in pulseaudio "logitech v10 speakers not working after upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209673
[17:39] <cruisemaniac> is this the right place to ask for help on bug triaging??? i'm new to the bugsquad :)
[17:39] <xteejx> cuisemaniac: sure, what's your question
[17:40] <cruisemaniac> xteejx, for Bug #376030
[17:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 376030 in gnome-control-center "Changing desktop background eats up all available CPU time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/376030
[17:40] <xteejx> cruisemaniac: What help do you need specifically?
[17:40] <cruisemaniac> i have tried to reproduce the bug on my ubuntu system but have not been able to reproduce it... my question is: should i mention that its not reproducible???
[17:41] <cruisemaniac> or should I have some more testing that I must do but am missing it right now?
[17:41] <xteejx> Could be hardware related, ask for the usual dmesg, uname -a etc from the Kernel Team Policies
[17:41] <xteejx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[17:41] <cruisemaniac> ah! ok...
[17:42] <cruisemaniac> hey! thanks for the link :)
[17:42] <xteejx> cruisemaniac: np
[17:42] <pedro_> cruisemaniac: yes please, could you also ask which video card/driver is the reporter using?, would be good as well to know which process is using that amount of CPU
[17:43] <pedro_> nautilus, gnome-appearance-properties, xorg, etc
[17:43] <pedro_> cruisemaniac: btw isn't reproducible here either
[17:43] <xteejx> hardware/driver related
[17:44] <cruisemaniac> pedro_, ah ok... will mention that... but I dont need to change the status of the bug right??? i just leave it at new, undecided and un-assigned.
[17:44] <xteejx> incomplete it until he gives u the info you requested
[17:44] <pedro_> cruisemaniac: you need to change the status, if you ask something to the reporter and you're waiting for information he could provide, the right status is Incomplete
[17:45] <hggdh> You can check on it by either searching http://packages.ubuntu.com, or at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[17:45] <cruisemaniac> ok... will do...
[17:45] <hggdh> xteejx,  ^^
[17:45] <xteejx> hggdh: huh?
[17:45] <pedro_> cruisemaniac: you might want to read about the Bug Status: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status always worth to have a look ;-)
[17:46] <hggdh> xteejx, your question on what version of kernel is out there
[17:46] <xteejx> oh its ok i got it :)
[17:59] <cruisemaniac> pedro_: thanks for the info... made necessary updates to the bug report :)
[18:00] <pedro_> cruisemaniac: great!
[18:28] <bdmurray> bug 373492 would benefit from some translation
[18:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 373492 in ubuntu "a series of errors while updating from 8.04 to 8.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373492
[18:32] <bencrisford> bdmurray: i don't speak spanish/portugese or whatever language thats in, but I could run it through google translate if you like?  Just to get a general idea
[18:34] <bdmurray> bencrisford: There are some people here who might know the language
[18:34] <bencrisford> ah ok :)
[18:38] <bencrisford> bdmurray: don't suppose you've had a chance to review my bug-control application yet?  i don't mean to nag, im just pretty anxious to find out whether i get accepted or not :)
[18:46] <mrooney> bencrisford: I'll give it a review!
[18:46] <mrooney> I can at least get you 50% of the way there :)
[18:49] <mrooney> it is hard to reply since the application is an attachment, I guess I'll include it in my email?
[18:53] <hggdh> bdmurray, translated, as far as I can understand
[18:58] <xteejx> all done, back guys
[19:01] <bencrisford> mrooney: aww cheers :D, erm, i gues you could just include the attatchment
[19:02] <bencrisford> i just attatched it to make my msg more tidy, but you can reply how you wish :)
[19:07] <xteejx> Can someone set bug 207902 as medium for me please?
[19:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 207902 in linux "On time set, "/sbin/hwclock returned 256"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207902
[19:08] <xteejx> I'm thinking maybe even High as its recurring problem and several users have the same.
[19:08] <xteejx> And bug 209673 to LOW
[19:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 209673 in pulseaudio "logitech v10 speakers not working after upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209673
[19:09] <xteejx> Anyone with control in?
[19:11] <mrooney> xteejx: I can take a peek at them
[19:11] <xteejx> mrooney, thx
[19:12] <charlie-tca> xteejx: why wouldn't 209673 be medium? A problem with a non-essential hardware component (network card, camera, webcam, music player, sound card, power management feature, printer, etc.)
[19:12] <charlie-tca> It is hardware, non-essential
[19:13] <bencrisford> mrooney: :) if you do reply to my application would you mind CC'ing it to me please?  Because unless I check the archives I have no way of checking the mailing list
[19:13] <xteejx> charlie-tca: I thought the speaker one should be low, its not a serious hardware problem, and only 1 other user has confirmed it
[19:13] <bencrisford> my e-mail is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:13] <bencrisford> :)
[19:13] <mrooney> bencrisford: yeah I'll reply-all, ps looks good so far :)
[19:13] <bencrisford> :D
[19:13] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance sets non-essential hardware to medium
[19:13]  * bencrisford has his fingers tightly crossed
[19:13] <BUGabundo> hi fellow ubunteros
[19:13] <mrooney> BUGabundo: allo
[19:14] <bencrisford> hey BUGabundo :)
[19:14] <charlie-tca> I guess it could also be low, for uncommon hardware
[19:14] <xteejx> charlie-tca: fiar enough, its prob changed in 9 months then lol
[19:14] <charlie-tca> done
[19:14] <xteejx> thx charlie :)
[19:15] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo
[19:16] <xteejx> charlie-tca: Would you mind having a quick look at bug 207902 as well, I thought this should be High,semi-severe problem, and quite a lot affected
[19:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 207902 in linux "On time set, "/sbin/hwclock returned 256"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207902
[19:16] <charlie-tca> done
[19:18] <xteejx> charlie-tca: thx :)
[19:18] <charlie-tca> no problem
[19:19] <charlie-tca> I don't see your application for bug-control?
[19:19] <charlie-tca> get hung up someplace, maybe?
[19:21] <xteejx> charlie-tca: you mean mine?
[19:21] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:21] <xteejx> i applied 9 months ago, got rejected, became really ill, and only just recently started triaging again
[19:22] <xteejx> am in the processof applying for bug control again :)
[19:22] <charlie-tca> oh, nm then
[19:28] <bencrisford> mrooney: I'm guessing I was wrong to confirm the broadcom bug?
[19:29] <mrooney> bencrisford: not necessarily, but in that particular case (a bug with an open-source driver where a restricted one exists) it is good to see if the problem can be solved by using the other driver
[19:30] <mrooney> it might fix the problem for that user instead of waiting for a bug fix in the free drivers, and that's good
[19:30] <bencrisford> ok :)
[19:31] <xteejx> Finally application for -control is done
[19:32] <xteejx> how long does it take for the application to be reviewed?
[19:32] <xteejx> hggdh: Application resent
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Depends on how busy it gets.
[19:34] <xteejx> ahh ok
[19:36] <xteejx> Is there a known problem with Jaunty and flash on 64bit?
[19:37] <charlie-tca> Isn't there a known problem with flash and everything?
[19:38] <xteejx> Not too sure where I should go with bug 373020.......I think the guy has messed his installation up by installing/removin thre flash .deb
[19:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 373020 in ubuntu "Ubuntu 9.04 - flash video requests Javascript" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373020
[19:38] <xteejx> charlie: lol!
[19:39] <askand> Does anyone have any kind of idea on how do get further with bug 355155 ?
[19:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 355155 in linux "Computer hard locks randomly with ubuntu jaunty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355155
[19:40] <xteejx> askand: God knows, it could be anything, but it needs the importance set so devs can start to look at it
[19:41] <askand> xteejx: Yes, someone got a great idea and told people to " put in a "Me too; would really like an answer/fix for this", comment.  "
[19:42] <xteejx> there is an "also affects me" link in launchpad......
[19:42] <xteejx> bug 373020 - need guidance please
[19:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 373020 in ubuntu "Ubuntu 9.04 - flash video requests Javascript" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373020
[19:43] <elena09> hi
[19:44] <bencrisford> hey
[19:44] <xteejx> bud 373020 anybody?
[19:44] <xteejx> *bug 373020 lol
[19:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 373020 in ubuntu "Ubuntu 9.04 - flash video requests Javascript" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373020
[19:44] <micahg> xteejx: apport-collect for system info
[19:44] <micahg> need to see extension list
[19:45] <xteejx> didnt know that command lol
[19:45] <BUGabundo> xteejx: who ever knows everything?
[19:45] <BUGabundo> also its rather new
[19:46] <xteejx> bugabundo!! hey
[19:46] <xteejx> its been a while for me being here, all btter now though :)
[19:46] <micahg> sounds like No-Script is installed
[19:46] <xteejx> flash is definitely being blocked, all the usual resinstallation methods dont work...
[19:47] <kklimonda> yeah, it does sound like a noscript issue - ask him if he has it installed
[19:48] <kklimonda> on the other hand he has mentioned that it's the clean installation.. weird..
[19:48] <hggdh> xteejx, hi -- what are the importances you would set of the bugs? ;-)
[19:48] <askand> I would argue that bug 355155 get a high priority following the guidelines at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance. This is a bug that makes a default Ubuntu installation generally unusable for some users. One of the reporters say that he "experience freezes within two or three minutes after booting". That is what I would call generally unusable, and a lot of other people are suffering from this. Can any member of UbuntuBugControl
[19:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 355155 in linux "Computer hard locks randomly with ubuntu jaunty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355155
[19:48] <xteejx> apport-collect -p firefox 373020  <-----that correct?
[19:49] <hggdh> yes
[19:50] <xteejx> importances on the application u mean?
[19:51] <xteejx> bug 355155 I would set as high, its a quite serious problem affecting a moderate amount of users
[19:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 355155 in linux "Computer hard locks randomly with ubuntu jaunty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355155
[19:51] <BUGabundo>  !u | xteejx
[19:51] <ubot4> xteejx: U is the 21st letter of the modern latin alphabet. Neither 'U' or 'Ur' are words in the English language. Nor are 'R', 'Y', 'l8', 'Ne1' or 'Bcuz'. Mangled English is hard for non-native English speakers. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/abbreviations/ for more information.
[19:52] <xteejx> Bugabundo: ??
[19:52] <charlie-tca> seems like we discussed 355155 the other day. It is about three bugs in one
[19:52] <bencrisford> xteejx: bloody hell, your launchpad has more karma than mark shuttleworths!
[19:52] <BUGabundo> bencrisford: LOL
[19:52] <BUGabundo> let me check that
[19:52] <xteejx> i been saying for long enough GET ME IN!!!!!!!
[19:52] <xteejx> lol
[19:52] <bencrisford> :P
[19:53] <bencrisford> https://launchpad.net/~sabdfl/+karma  -- mark shuttleworths karma
[19:53] <bencrisford> https://launchpad.net/~xteejx  -- teej's :D
[19:53] <xteejx> 150 words per minute, did i tell you best temp in chiswick......sorry, doctor who quote hehe
[19:54] <bencrisford> https://launchpad.net/~xteejx/+karma --soz theres his karma
[19:54] <BUGabundo> bah
[19:54] <BUGabundo> I have more then xteejx
[19:54] <BUGabundo> you were scaring me, for a minute
[19:54] <kklimonda> :D
[19:54] <xteejx> i should bloody well hope so lmao
[19:55] <bencrisford> lol
[19:55] <xteejx> i do try though guys, and im always on here verifying things etc if im not sure :) u all know that
[19:56] <bencrisford> you're certainly more deserving than me ;)
[19:56] <xteejx> lol how long you been going ben?
[19:56] <micahg> we're not having a karma contest are we?
[19:56] <bencrisford> not too sure actually, but id bet any money its not as long as you :P
[19:56] <bencrisford> and yes we are :P
[19:56] <kklimonda> micahg: looks like it
[19:56] <xteejx> this is my 2nd account
[19:57] <micahg> https://launchpad.net/~micahg/+karma
[19:57] <xteejx> i got loads of karma i'm buddhist lol
[19:57] <xteejx> i got more on bug management hehe :P
[19:57] <micahg> I started about 2 weeks ago :)
[19:58] <xteejx> erm..........i was ill for 9 months (not pregnant im a guy)
[19:58] <BUGabundo> micahg: OOHHHHHHHHHHH
[19:58] <BUGabundo> xteejx: guys can get preganant
[19:59] <xteejx> ok ok arnold schwarzenegger and the film junior...
[19:59] <micahg> cosby show
[19:59] <xteejx> ?
[20:00] <xteejx> hggdh: Did the application get received ok?
[20:00] <micahg> xteejx: a TV reference
[20:00] <xteejx> micahg: ahhh before my time
[20:00] <bencrisford> dont suppose anyones replied to mine?  :P the wait is killing me.  still i only sent it a few days ago
[20:00] <bencrisford> brb
[20:00] <charlie-tca> xteejx: yes
[20:01] <hggdh> xteejx, yes, I got it via the ML. Now I would like to know the importances...
[20:01] <xteejx> hggdh: Resend with that info or just say on here?
[20:02] <hggdh> xteejx, very sorry, but I would rather have it resent with the info -- so that all will get it
[20:02] <xteejx> hggdh: its no problem ill do it now :)
[20:02] <hggdh> xteejx, thanks.
[20:02] <xteejx> hggdh no probs
[20:03] <hggdh> BTW it is a good time to prod the bug-controllers here to help answer bug-control applications. This is an important step for the applicants, and we should try to answer timely.
[20:04] <charlie-tca> I agree.
[20:07] <ror> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpid/+question/71006 < why has this been made a question? looks like a valid bug?
[20:09] <xteejx> hggdh: Resent
[20:11] <xteejx> ror: dpkg --reconfigure -a ?
[20:11] <charlie-tca> ror: the bug as filed references another bug. why? Is it a duplicate of the bug referenced? what does it mean? It appears to be a question as to why the updates stopped.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> It isn't really a bug, but a comment, I think.
[20:12] <ror> ok
[20:13] <charlie-tca> and the individual that filed it converted it to a question
[20:14] <ror> looks like the individual concerned isn't terribly aware of what's going on :o
[20:15] <charlie-tca> yeah, that is what I see.
[20:15] <ror> would converting back and marking as dupe be appropriate or should I just leave it?
[20:15] <charlie-tca> It is more like something belonging to forums or mailing list. I would leave it alone
[20:17] <ror> odd thing is isn't not even a dupe of the linked bug lol; oh well it can sit in questions :)
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Wonder if a simple "thanks for this information" would satisfy it?
[20:19] <ror> looks like a bug with more info needed
[20:19] <ror> I'll keep it as a Q and ask for info though
[20:21] <ror> right I've told him to do a sudo apt-get autoclean;update;upgrade
[20:21] <ror> hope that's the right thing ;o
[20:21] <xteejx> Has my amended application been received?
[20:27] <xteejx> What should I do with bug 135130, there hasn't been any activity in a year and a half, yet its marked wishlist, any ideas?
[20:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 135130 in ubuntu "DEB Archives should be able to have embedded icons " [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135130
[20:28] <charlie-tca> wishlist can stay for years.
[20:28] <xteejx> bloody hell
[20:28] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: they really can
[20:28] <BUGabundo> I think I still have on from 6.10
[20:28] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:28] <charlie-tca> So can confirmed
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I would mark it confirmed, and leave it. Wishlist should "nice to have this someday" bugs
[20:30] <charlie-tca> s/should " / should be "
[20:30] <ror> without unending open wishlists, who'd bother to learn to program?
[20:30] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: that reminds me of a comment from KDE Ingo about wishbug
[20:30] <charlie-tca> what was it?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> "we have more High bugs then we can take care. feel free to add yet another wish bug, we will never read"
[20:31] <charlie-tca> ror: agreed. wishlist gives a developer something to aim for, when time allows
[20:31] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: I think they do get read, and the easy ones even get fixed.
[20:32] <guest23323r_> xteejx, wishlist bugs sitting unattended should be forwarded to the related upstream tracker and the Ubuntu task should be set to "Triaged".
[20:32] <xteejx> oh ok
[20:32] <xteejx> bug 210300: can someone set this for me?
[20:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 210300 in acpi-support "[Hardy] Laptop (HP Compaq 8510p) is too hot." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210300
[20:33] <charlie-tca> set to what?
[20:33] <xteejx> personally i would say high, overheating laptop!? could end up in severe hardware failure
[20:33] <mgunes> xteejx, as for the comment you posted on that bug: before using that stock reply, you should check yourself whether the bug persists before asking the bug reporter if possible. It was pretty easy to do it with this particular bug.
[20:34] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: correnction: wishbugs don't get fixed. get implemented
[20:34] <charlie-tca> that's what I meant.
[20:34]  * charlie-tca thinks you should hear what I mean, not what I say, sometimes
[20:34] <xteejx> mgunes: yeah i noticed....must've been half asleep
[20:35] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I did! I read your mind too... your PIN number is 1945
[20:35] <BUGabundo> :))))
[20:35] <charlie-tca> works for me.
[20:36] <charlie-tca> which pin?
[20:36] <charlie-tca> That 's probably that pin I forgot
[20:36] <BUGabundo> any... everyone just uses a single PIN
[20:36] <xteejx> Can someone set 210300 to HIGH for me please?
[20:36] <BUGabundo> bbl. dinner
[20:37] <charlie-tca> xteejx: you asked for more. It should be incomplete, with status and importance updated when they respond to you.
[20:38] <xteejx> charlie-tca: Oh right ok, just seemed quite important, but yeah thinking about it, I should wait for them to test it in 9.04 first :)
[20:39] <charlie-tca> Can you tell I'm actually testing images today?
[20:39] <xteejx> no.....how would i know that? lol
[20:40] <chrisccoulson> hi bdmurray - i just noticed you made an old tracker crasher public
[20:40] <chrisccoulson> tracker has changed significantly in jaunty, making a lot of the old crashes obsolete
[20:41] <chrisccoulson> i don't know if it's best to just close those ones that don't have a good stacktrace
[20:42] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: I'm not following your last statement
[20:44] <xteejx> hey bdmurray!
[20:45] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray - it was suggested on #ubuntu-desktop a few weeks ago that we should probably just close the old tracker crash reports which don't have a good stacktrace, as the code has changed so much now that those problems are likely to have gone away
[20:45] <xteejx> long time no see
[20:45] <xteejx> Status change: 211650 to Medium please
[20:45] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: okay, well I've already gone through the old private ones and made them public
[20:46] <chrisccoulson> thanks. i get automatically subscribed to the tracker reports, but i don't get any mails until they're made public
[20:46] <charlie-tca> bug 211650
[20:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 211650 in xxkb "Wrong keyboard configuration on MacBook (pt-br)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211650
[20:46] <xteejx> Bugs/Importance states it should be High
[20:47] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: I'm going through some more private ones now but they've been reported from Jaunty
[20:47] <xteejx> "A problem with an essential hardware component (disk controller, laptop built-in wireless, video card, keyboard, mouse) " --keyboard
[20:47] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray - thanks. i'll send some of those upstream
[20:47] <xteejx> its not a non-working k/b though...
[20:48] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure how much attention the jaunty crashers will see upstream now, as development effort has shifted away from 0.6.9x in jaunty now, and 0.7.x is significantly different again
[20:49] <xteejx> bug 211650 anyone? Just need an importance change on it please if anyones available?
[20:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 211650 in xxkb "Wrong keyboard configuration on MacBook (pt-br)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211650
[20:49] <charlie-tca> done
[20:49] <xteejx> thx again charlie :D
[20:50] <charlie-tca> crap, high?
[20:50] <xteejx> thought it should be medium hehe
[20:50] <xteejx> well its not a non-working k/b...although the importance says keyabord should be high
[20:50] <xteejx> its just one key
[20:50] <charlie-tca> No, it is not a keyboard problem, but a configuration issue
[20:51] <charlie-tca> The hardware is fine, something is causing it to misprint certain characters.
[20:51] <xteejx> thats what i mean, it's one character misinterpreted by the config
[20:51] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: I think there is a Launchpad bug in that you don't get mail about private bugs.  Since you are a member of u-c-u and subscribed to the bugs I think you should.  What do you think?
[20:53] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray - yeah, that makes sense. i was surprised that i didn't get bugmail for those i'm subscribed too until they're made public
[20:53] <xteejx> someone kick this guy up the arse pls > bug 212051
[20:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 212051 in linux "Muting and unmuting Master channel when headphones are plugged in causes internal speaker to unmute on MacBook Pro" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212051
[20:53] <charlie-tca> lol
[20:54] <xteejx> so friggin ignorant and know-all
[20:55] <bdmurray> I understand your frustration but let's try and keep it respectful.
[20:56] <xteejx> dont worry brian, i just reinstated the incomplete status and noted that the requested info was not given
[20:56] <xteejx> i'm never ignorant to the reporters :)
[20:57] <hggdh> er, you mean disrespectful, do you not? ;-)
[20:57] <xteejx> meh same kinda thing :P
[20:57] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:57] <xteejx> hggdh: just splitting hairs now lol :)
[20:58] <hggdh> :-)
[20:58] <ror> you can't be "ignorant" *to* something; you can be ignorant of something :)
[20:59] <xteejx> wanna bet? lol
[20:59] <xteejx> this is britain...anything goes lol
[20:59] <ror> a friend uses it in the same way, really winds me up, it makes no sense at all
[20:59] <ror> I think somehow people have taken it on in place of arrogant :/
[21:00] <xteejx> its a colloquialism for arrogant, yes
[21:00] <xteejx> ;)
[21:00] <ror> a pretty ironic one at that
[21:00] <xteejx> true
[21:00] <bencrisford> hggdh: cheers for your reply to my app :)
[21:01] <hggdh> bencrisford, I am not really sure you would cheer me on it... but I am being honest -- I think you can get there, but need a tad more exposure. But thank you.
[21:02] <xteejx> hggdh: what about me oh great bug control master ;)
[21:02] <bencrisford> hggdh: does this mean I wait for another reply, or take that as a 'not quite there yet'?
[21:03] <xteejx> ben: reapply in a month or 2, thats what i done :)
[21:03] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: I filed bug 376186 regarding what we discussed
[21:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 376186 in malone "private bug implicit subscription" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/376186
[21:03] <hggdh> xteejx, heh. I am not a bug master. There is only one with that title -- Brian (well, perhaps Leann also). But I do appreciate the compliment. And yes, I am working on yours
[21:03] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray - thanks:)
[21:04] <xteejx> I know about mr murray :) and thanks hggdh :)
[21:04] <hggdh> bencrisford, not quite there, but rather close. Now, again, this is my personal take, others may think different. Since I gave you a +0...
[21:04] <xteejx> i want +250 hehehe
[21:05] <bencrisford> ok, well im learning more every day, so ill wait for some more replies and if im not successful this time, ill re-apply in a while
[21:05] <bencrisford> cheers :)
[21:05] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray - thanks for going through the tracker bugs too
[21:05] <xteejx> bencrisford: if you ever need guidance or help on bug triaging, theres always someone here
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> hey mnemo - you there?
[21:09] <ror> or just do as you please and let someone slap you into shape if you step out of line, that's the approach I've decided to take
[21:13] <xteejx> ror, lol
[21:13] <hggdh> cheers, bencrisford, and thank you for helping
[21:14] <mgunes> Was the volume control applet part of gnome-media or gnome-applets? I keep forgetting..
[21:14] <xteejx> whats the waiting time on a control application?
[21:14] <ror> mgunes, gnome-applets I think
[21:14] <xteejx> applets
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> mgunes - gnome-volume-control-applet is part of gnome-media
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> it's currently built in to it's own binary package (gnome-volume-control-pulse)
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> the mixer-applet is part of gnome-applets
[21:16] <ror> how do you "close" questions? the user just responded with "great, thanks" but in doing so reset the Q from answered to open
[21:16] <mgunes> chrisccoulson, there seems to be a "mixer" component in the gnome-media uptream module, which is what confuses me
[21:16] <ror> what version no. is gnome-media at?
[21:16] <mgunes> chrisccoulson, thanks for clearing up, that's what I had thought
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> mgunes - yes it's confusing. i found this out because i had to hack the gnome-media package in jaunty to build both the mixer and the applet
[21:17] <micahg> ror: only the user can close Qs AFAIK, but this channel is for bugs :)
[21:17] <charlie-tca> ror: ask if his question was answered
[21:17] <hggdh> You can always try to find out to which package a file belongs by running 'dpkg -S <fileName>', or 'apt-file search <fileName>'
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> gnome-media contains gst-mix, which is actually installed as gnome-volume-control, and is the *old* mixer panel
[21:17] <ror> So I should just respond with "glad you found it useful, please can you mark this as answered?"
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> gnome-applets contains the mixer-applet (the old volume control)
[21:18] <charlie-tca> respond with "Did that answer your question? If not, could you reword your question for me?"
[21:18] <micahg> ror: I think the Launchpad Janitor will take care of it eventually
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> gnome-media also contains gnome-volume-control-applet and gnome-volume-control (the new pulseaudio based sound settings capplet which I renamed to gnome-volume-control-settings in jaunty to not conflict with gst-mix)
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> confused? ;)
[21:19] <mgunes> chrisccoulson, no, all cleared up, to the contrary :)
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> good :)
[21:19] <BUGabundo> micahg:  janitor is turned of for Ubuntu bugs
[21:20] <micahg> BUGabundo: he was asking for Qs
[21:20] <mnemo> chrisccoulson: yes?
[21:20] <BUGabundo> micahg: he who?
[21:20] <ror> thanks mica
[21:20] <ror> me; let's get back to bug discussion :)
[21:20] <chrisccoulson> hi mnemo - you running karmic?
[21:20] <micahg> BUGabundo: ror
[21:20] <mnemo> chrisccoulson: yea I got an ATI machine on karmic, why?
[21:21] <chrisccoulson> can you recreate bug 323943 in karmic?
[21:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 323943 in vala "valac crashed with SIGSEGV in vala_ccode_base_module_append_temp_decl()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/323943
[21:21] <chrisccoulson> vala is in the process of being promoted, and i'm just trying to close out some of the bug reports
[21:21] <xteejx> Can someone set bug 214154 to High please?
[21:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 214154 in xorg "Can't VSYNC properly on ATI (Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214154
[21:22] <mnemo> chrisccoulson: ok checking..
[21:22] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[21:25] <mnemo> chrisccoulson: do you know vala yourself?
[21:25] <chrisccoulson> mnemo - no. i just need it in main because the next version of tracker needs it at build time
[21:26] <mnemo> ok
[21:26] <chrisccoulson> i should probably learn a bit really ;)
[21:26] <chrisccoulson> it doesn't look too difficult
[21:26] <xteejx> charlie-tca, hggdh: Would one of you mind setting bug 214154 to High please?
[21:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 214154 in xorg "Can't VSYNC properly on ATI (Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214154
[21:26] <mnemo> chrisccoulson: anyway, the old project that previously caused that SEGV now fails to build at all.. with an error message... it says: http://pastebin.com/m712a8dfb
[21:27] <mnemo> chrisccoulson: i've not been porting that code over so im not sure if its my code that obsolete.. maybe jürg changed the syntax or something
[21:27] <charlie-tca> xteejx: done
[21:27] <xteejx> charlie-tca: thanks :)
[21:28] <charlie-tca> no problem
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> mnemo - i'm not sure. his IRC handle is juergbi - it might be best to ask him
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> i know he hangs around on #tracker on irc.gnome.org, but i'm not sure if there's a more appropriate place to find him
[21:29] <xteejx> hggdh: how comes the application? :)
[21:31] <mnemo> chrisccoulson: actually, I see now that I filed an upstream bug as well, I just didnt link them... the upstream bug is not fixed yet.. i linked them now
[21:31] <chrisccoulson> mnemo - thanks
[21:34] <xteejx> charlie-tca: Do you fancy setting bug 219775 to medium as well please? lol :)
[21:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 219775 in linux "[regression] intrepid Broadcom B43 wireless driver not enabled by default" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219775
[21:36] <hggdh> xteejx, good news for you, at least from my side ;-)
[21:36] <xteejx> hggdh: application you mean?
[21:36] <hggdh> aye
[21:37] <xteejx> hggdh: aww just read it thank you v much :D
[21:37] <xteejx> how many replies do i need before it gets decided?
[21:38] <hggdh> now, wait -- this is just my view. Now we have to wait for others to chime in, and for Brian to give the final go/nogo
[21:38] <hggdh> You need two +1, or two -1. And, of course, the bugmaister agreement.
[21:39] <xteejx> brian declined me last time.....hopefully i've improved
[21:39] <charlie-tca> xteejx: I am confused. What is the bug actually about?
[21:39] <hggdh> ach lieber gott, I wrote mAIster!
[21:39] <charlie-tca> If it is proprietary drivers, they will not be installed by default. Is that really a valid bug?
[21:40] <xteejx> charlie-tca: no, but they are getting errors thrown at them with Hardware Drivers in the system menu, it wont install them
[21:41] <charlie-tca> yeah? I'll go ahead then.
[21:41] <xteejx> ok
[21:41] <charlie-tca> done
[21:42] <xteejx> thx charlie :)
[21:55] <thekorn> hggdh, hehe bugmeister sounds really cool ;)
[21:56] <xteejx> How long does it take LP janitor to clean things up that are out of date?
[21:56] <bencrisford> 60 days for bug reports isnt it?
[21:59] <bencrisford> mrooney: thats for the +1 :D:D
[21:59] <bencrisford> thanks*
[22:00] <xteejx> oh ok
[22:01] <BUGabundo> xteejx: AFAIK  janitor is turned of for Ubuntu bugs
[22:01] <xteejx> oh ok
[22:01] <bencrisford> oh =S
[22:02] <bencrisford> but they are marked invalid after 60 days right?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> don't think so
[22:03] <hggdh> thekorn, I though so ;-)
[22:04] <thekorn> no, they are only marked as candidates for expiry, you can get a list of those bugs here:
[22:04] <hggdh> bencrisford, no, they are not. They will keep on until someone goes there and close/accept it
[22:04] <thekorn> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+expirable-bugs
[22:05] <thekorn> (looks like a good list of canditates for a hug day)
[22:06] <BUGabundo> hehehe
[22:06] <thekorn> especially the first 5k ones
[22:06] <bencrisford> hggdh: ah ok ;)
[22:06] <xteejx> there are far too many, making us look bad
[22:07] <micahg> thekorn: shouldn't whoever marks them incomplete follow up on them?
[22:07] <micahg> I was going to go through my incomplete's once a month
[22:07] <thekorn> micahg, yes, in a perfect world this should be the case
[22:08] <BUGabundo> thekorn: in the perfect world there would be no need for LP
[22:08] <BUGabundo> no bugs... humm no *me* ??? autch
[22:09] <thekorn> BUGabundo, no, a world withhout bugs would not be perfect
[22:09] <xteejx> Can someone set bug 226509 to LOW please?
[22:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 226509 in hotkeys "Dell XPS m1330 multimedia keys" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/226509
[22:09] <xteejx> there will always be bugs, no code is 100% perfect
[22:09] <thekorn> only software without any user do not have bugs, and a world with ubuntu without any user won't be perfect
[22:10] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[22:10] <BUGabundo> I like that last one
[22:11] <xteejx> hggdh, charlie-tca: can one of ya change bug 226509 to low, triaged for me please?
[22:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 226509 in hotkeys "Dell XPS m1330 multimedia keys" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/226509
[22:12] <xteejx> im off anyway, but i'd appreciate if someone could change the importance on that ^^ for me laters guys
[22:17] <thekorn> bdmurray, hi, can you please extend my membership in ubuntu-bugcontrol
[22:17] <thekorn> thank you
[22:18] <mrooney> thekorn: you can do it yourself unless it expired, AFAIK
[22:19] <hggdh> I don't think so...
[22:19] <hggdh> how?
[22:19] <thekorn> mrooney, hmm, really? how?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> you can't afaik
[22:20] <thekorn> and if so, the lp guys should have to change the notification email they send out
[22:20] <mrooney> okay maybe I am thinking of something else
[22:21] <thekorn> mrooney, yep, maybe you are thinking about an open team
[22:22] <hggdh> wait, aren't we open? ;-)
[22:30] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/348361
[22:30] <BUGabundo> why would anyone dupe that of bug 1 ?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> bah
[22:30] <ubot4> BUGabundo: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[22:30] <ubot4> BUGabundo: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[22:30]  * BUGabundo wonders where the bot is
[22:31] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: is it really a dup of 1? ;)
[22:31] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: is this poker windows only?
[22:31] <BUGabundo> it was a bad dupe
[22:31] <BUGabundo> just removed it
[22:32] <BUGabundo> user dakbob36
[22:48] <bencrisford1> any bug-control team members have a minute?
[22:49] <kklimonda> bencrisford1: it's better to just ask the question - maybe a bug control member will come by and will be able to read it without further delay.
[22:50] <bencrisford1> its not really a question, im just wondering if anyone has a minute to review my application
[22:50] <bencrisford1> its just id like to get it sorted tonight - get it out of the way, because I just need one more opinion
[22:51] <bencrisford1> anyway, if anyone could that'd be fantastic :)
[22:52] <bencrisford1> but i g2g