 Anyone familiar with DKMS, ALSA driver for "HDA Intel"?
 Ask: Can I upgrade Kubuntu 19.04 to 19.10 or 20.04 LTS if release?
[03:45] <valorie> @ziguardian if you have 19.04 you'll be able to upgrade to 19.10 when it comes out, and then to the LTS when it is released
[03:45] <valorie> if you like to run LTS only, you can switch that at that time
 @valorie, thanks. I have 19.04 installed on my laptop
[03:47] <valorie> me too
[03:47] <valorie> :-)
[03:48] <valorie> I've always had excellent luck with upgrades
 (Photo, 1151x508) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ima7cPps/file_16213.jpg Help: how to fix this? … Install app from terminal
[05:30] <Alabalistic> Hi
[05:31] <Alabalistic> it is a easy fix
[05:31] <Alabalistic> go to your software sources and choose a new servers
[05:31] <Alabalistic> what is your Desktop Envi
 KDE
[05:32] <Alabalistic> I'm on xfce now and cant follow along
[05:32] <Alabalistic> but normaly there is some broken link or lost server
[05:34] <valorie> Alabalistic is right -- there is either something wrong with your connection -- which since you are in irc/telegram, probably not so
[05:34] <valorie> or one of your archive URLs is dead for the moment
[05:35] <valorie> @ziguardian
 @valorie, there is no problem with the internet
[05:38] <Alabalistic> IrcsomeBot: where on the gloub are you?
 Indonesia
[05:47] <Alabalistic> did you find the solution
[05:47] <Alabalistic> or still searching
 I solved them by select the "deb" files and install them one by one
[05:50] <Alabalistic> great
 Is it ok ?
[05:53] <valorie> of course it's ok
[05:53] <valorie> eventually the link between you and the archive will heal
 Yes. Thanks for the help and information.
[06:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:17] <Alabalistic> morgen
 @valorie, What site is the big report site? What is the preferred site for KDE Wayland feedback?
[06:47] <valorie> do you mean bugs.kde.org?
[06:47] <valorie> or perhaps something like the Kwin devel list
[06:47] <valorie> depends
[06:47] <valorie> @JJ_4884
[06:48] <valorie> I mean all the plasma devels want feedback
[06:48] <valorie> so perhaps just the plasma devel list
 @valorie, How much is Plasma working to get Wayland to work? Is it distro dependent too?
[06:49] <valorie> all new commits they make must work in wayland
[06:49] <valorie> if they work in x, fine
[06:49] <valorie> but wayland is the standard
[06:50] <valorie> thus all new development is about wayland
[06:51] <valorie> as for distros -- yes, some of the wiring we (kubuntu) don't entirely control
[06:52] <valorie> probably the same in most other distros unless they are KDE only
[06:52] <valorie> like neon -- which to some extent is also dependent on ubuntu
 So, if I have bugs in Kubuntu, and if the bugs are KDE dependent, not just Kubuntu, would those bugs be forwarded or would that be on my end?
[07:12] <valorie> best to always report a bug to kubuntu
[07:13] <valorie> easy way to do that is in the commandline `ubuntu-bug packagename`
[07:13] <valorie> and often good to also report to KDE -- and link your lp:bug#
[07:14] <valorie> in general we can only fix stuff that we (kubuntu) caused with a packaging error
[07:14] <valorie> but no problem also reporting KDE bugs on LP
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:55] <lolcat-007> it is possible to pass mp3 file to an iphone with amarok or rhymbox
[14:55] <lolcat-007> ???
[14:56] <BluesKaj> lolcat-007, whynot just use kdeconnect from the source folder
[14:58] <lolcat-007> BluesKaj: but kdeconnect doesnt work with ios
[14:58] <lolcat-007> i belive
[15:01] <BluesKaj> oh right, what about bluetooth?
[15:01] <genii> Probably the simplest way is just a small webserver page on the computer with whatever files in there you want to transfer, running only on an internal IP. Then connect iPhone to the network and point the web browser at that internal IP
[15:09] <lolcat-007> genii: what will it be
[15:09] <lolcat-007> the webserver page
[15:09] <lolcat-007> ??
[15:10] <genii> No actual page. Just a folder you drop whatever files in that you want to transfer. Then you point Safari to that folder. It will just see a list of files there. Which you can click on to play or download.
[15:12] <lolcat-007> that doesnt seem the easier way
[15:12] <genii> Another tactic would be to find a CIFS/SMB client app for iPhone, then share a folder on the computer to it. But webserver method is better, don't need to install or configure anything new on the phone, and works with any platform that can use a web browser.
[15:54] <BluesKaj> genii, that webserver method is a great idea, never thought of that
[15:56] <BluesKaj> first crash on 19.10,  looks like init went down...guess a reboot is in order
[15:57] <BluesKaj> brb
[18:39] <user|19760> hello, as blocking the installation of programs
[18:39] <user|19760> hola, como puedo bloquear la instalación de programas
[18:41] <user|19760> I have an administrator account and another user account.
[18:41] <user|19760> I need the user to only read files and not install programs
[18:54] <diogenes_> user|19760, https://askubuntu.com/questions/317738/can-i-prevent-restrict-standard-users-from-installing-uninstalling-software
[18:58] <OerHeks> user without root acces, cannot install programms.
[18:58] <OerHeks> done
[19:02] <user|19760> and how to prevent it from entering the terminal?
[19:06] <diogenes_> user|19760, https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/restrict-linux-users-to-their-home-directories-only/
[19:16] <user|19760> I need the user to have access to only some applications
[19:26] <diogenes_> user|19760, then setup a different DE for the user and mark your apps as ShowOnlyIn=xfce < for instance.
[19:59] <Neeknaim> Hello
[20:00] <Neeknaim> I installed kubuntu and updated it. It seems that muon can't find simple packages (krita, gimp) that discover does find. What's the problem?
[20:48] <valorie> Neeknaim: hmmm
[20:48] <valorie> haven't used muon in awhile
[20:48] <valorie> for now I would file a bug
[20:49] <valorie> easiest way is in the commandline: ubuntu-bug muon
[20:49] <valorie> I will say that afaik nobody is working on muon and all the work is on discover
 LOL, i'm looking forward to Kubuntu 20.04
 I wonder what the Plasma LTS would be? 5.18 perhaps?
[21:28] <valorie> @zparihar the plasma team is discussing
[21:28] <valorie> and some of our devels are also plasma devels
[21:41] <Thr0r> Where can one place what you wish Next Plasma could do? I wish that it could display all my workspaces/Virtual desktops in one view - with live updating. I know all windows can be displayed by moving mouse to upper left corner but that is all started windows. I want it to display workspaces - with live updates of the Active windows pr. workspace..
[21:45] <Thr0r> ...I have a very big monitor and I have the room for it - 58"
[21:57] <valorie> Thr0r: there is #plasma and and a devel list
[21:58] <valorie> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
[21:58] <valorie> it sounds a bit like tiling -- and there is a kwin tiling script
[22:05] <Thr0r> valorie: Ok -Thanks - I will look into that.. Don't know what Kwin is but if the feature could be in plasma in the future that would kind of make Kubuntu Perfect for me. So far it has "fixed"/delivered SO many things I lack in other distros that I am very happy now..
[22:05] <valorie> kwin is the windowing
[22:06] <valorie> one can actually use plasma with another windowing application
[22:06] <valorie> and use kwin with another DE
[22:06] <valorie> but they are developed together
[22:06] <valorie> glad to hear you like it!
[22:07] <valorie> hunt around for that kwin tiling script
[22:07] <valorie> I think it's on the kde store (free of course)
[22:07] <Thr0r> valorie: Ok - but that's a kind of tweak or what? I would like it into Plasma - standard and supported...
[22:07] <valorie> ah, quick google presents many to choose from
[22:08] <Thr0r> The functionality - I mean
[22:08] <valorie> kwin tiling script
[22:08] <valorie> and errr, DDG not google
[22:08] <valorie> :-)
 Help: vlc media player cannot be opened


[10:42] <mcphail> popey: having a look at https://github.com/lunixbochs/glshim and https://github.com/p3/regal which are libGL replacements which claim to convert GL->GLES. Might increase the number of games we can port? Would be interesting to see if you could get quake running in opengl mode ;)
[10:52] <popey> mcphail, iiinteresting
[11:12]  * mcphail can't understand "silent" makefiles, where the only indication of progress is the speed of the fan...
[11:39] <bartbes> I really like automake's silent-rules
[11:39] <bartbes> still shows you what is going on without completely flooding your screen with text
[13:30] <Kivi> zbenjamin, ping
[13:31] <Kivi> zbenjamin, this works right? http://i.imgur.com/izmOJQs.png
[13:32] <Kivi> I'll give it a push, and if it works, you can accept it.
[13:52] <Kivi> zbenjamin, https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/qtcreator-plugin-autopilot/added-copyright-license-header/+merge/279688
[15:09] <Grimm_> Hi, my name is Collins, I'm 16 and I'll like to contribute in the development of Ubuntu! I have a coding experience in HTML5, C++ and a little bit of PHP.
[15:16] <zbenjamin> Kivi: new nickname?
[15:16] <Kivi> zbenjamin, yep~
[15:16] <Kivi> I forget why
[15:17] <Kivi> but yes
[15:17] <zbenjamin> Kivi: lol, not sure if that is enough. But Mirv should know
[15:17] <zbenjamin> Mirv: is that acceptable as a licence header? http://i.imgur.com/izmOJQs.png
[16:01] <DanChapman> Grimm_, Hi there! I would suggest first having a read here https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/community/core-apps/ and see if there is a particular app you would like to start contributing to.
[16:25] <Kivi> Grimm_, 16 and already doing C++?! Wow ;)
[16:26] <Kivi> C++ is good if you are interested in learning Qt.
[17:46] <Grimm_> Kivi: wow ok
[17:47] <Grimm_> Kivi: But wouldn't be a little bit odd to ask questions about Qt in a C++ channel?
[19:11] <Mirv> zbenjamin: should be LGPL, right? to be compatible with other QtC stuff. if ever to be upstreamed, will need Qt CLA.
[19:11] <zbenjamin> Mirv: probably yes
[19:12] <zbenjamin> Mirv: he is gone already :/
[19:14] <Mirv> zbenjamin: I think the standard license short text is probably needed too instead of just url. the other lines are not needed in headers but also don't hurt
[19:14] <zbenjamin> Mirv: yeah i had the same thought
[20:48] <snizzo_> appdevs is developer.ubuntu.com down also for you?
[20:48] <ahayzen> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/ works for me
[20:49] <ahayzen> snizzo_, http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/developer.ubuntu.com :-)
[20:50] <snizzo_> yeah my bad, this kind of down http://paste.ubuntu.com/13762088/
[20:51] <ahayzen> oh
[20:51] <ahayzen> looks like you've got to a page that is broken
[20:53] <lpotter> I must say, the time from app dev to store publish is fantastically short and streamlined


[00:35] <Daskreech> Is there a way to run a GUI app from the CLI for another user?
[00:35] <Daskreech> Krunner is screwed
[01:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping, can you email me a list of organizations (educational, business, government, non-profit, etc) that are using Kubuntu? I have the french government at the moment. I was going to use the Canary Islands, but they're using a) a derivative, and b) it was only until the start of 2009
[01:52] <ScottK> ryanakca: Riddell's offline until Thursday.
[01:56] <ryanakca> ScottK: Bummer. Well, if anybody else can provide me with a list, please do, otherwise, I can wait until he gets back...
[02:46] <shtylman> seele: for the slideshow during install
[02:47] <shtylman> I need the text reviewed and more text added to the konqueror page
[03:56] <nixternal> shtylman: who is doing the text?
[11:16] <ghostcube> morning
[11:56] <markey> "It's no secret that when it comes to technology news sites, OSNews isn't exactly the cream of the crop."
 Yay for fun :)
[12:47] <shtylman> nixternal: I did the current text mostly as a placeholder
[13:01] <rgreening> jussi01: try from my PPA
[13:01] <jussi01> rgreening: for karmic?
[13:01] <rgreening> new version 0.2.5 isn't relaeased yet, but I have a beta in my PPA that does.
[13:01] <rgreening> yes
[13:02] <jussi01> ahh, ok. I just went meh and burned the disc.
[13:02] <rgreening> Im hoping we can release 0.2.5 soon
[13:02] <jussi01> so burned the disc and made the usb from that
[13:02] <rgreening> 0.2.4 got horribly broken
[13:02] <jussi01> which worked fine.
[13:03] <rgreening> I just uploaded 0.2.5~beta4 to my PPA... testing would be welcome :) (once it builds)
[13:03] <rgreening> lp:~roderick-greening
[13:16] <jussi01> rgreening: Ill give it a go in a while.
[13:18] <rgreening> excellent. ty
[13:19] <ghostcube> Kubuntu is a distribution which always felt a bit like the stepchild Canonical never really wanted to have
[13:19] <ghostcube> wtf ?? who wrote this crap
[13:19] <rgreening> yeah. I saw that article. some people will write anything without even contacting the devs for questions. Not real journalism at all.
[13:20] <rgreening> I wish some of the people would act like real journalists...
[13:20] <rgreening> ha
[13:21] <ghostcube> heh
[13:21] <rgreening> os news needs a smack for publishing utter crap
[13:22] <ghostcube> haha
[13:22] <ghostcube> anyone owns an botnet ?
[13:22] <ghostcube> rofl
[13:22] <rgreening> lol
[13:25] <jussi01> rgreening: argh. waitign for the build...
[13:25] <jussi01> someone link me to the build queue?
[13:28] <rgreening> jussi01: 4 hours wait apparantly... grr... https://edge.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa/+build/1208123
[13:29] <rgreening> jussi01: you can download the beta3 maybe... it should still be available in PPA
[13:29] <rgreening> beta3 works too.
[13:29] <jussi01> rgreening: doesnt look that way :(
[13:29] <jussi01> grumble.
[13:30] <rgreening> jussi01: if you add the PPA see if it comes up
[13:30] <jussi01> rgreening: could you just mail me a 386 deb?
[13:30] <rgreening> https://edge.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa/+files/usb-creator-kde_0.2.5~beta3_all.deb
[13:31] <jussi01> ooh, fanks
[13:31] <rgreening> https://edge.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa/+files/usb-creator-common_0.2.5~beta3_all.deb
[13:31] <rgreening> you need both the common and kde deb
[13:31] <rgreening> dpkg -i usb-creator-common_0.2.5~beta3_all.deb usb-creator-kde_0.2.5~beta3_all.deb
[13:32] <jussi01> rgreening: yeps :D
[13:32] <rgreening> cool. beta4 mostly updated the gtk stuff
[13:34] <jussi01> rgreening: still got a bit of an issue...
[13:35] <jussi01> rgreening: the format button dont work.
[13:39] <rgreening> jussi01: intentional at the moment. it was explicitly disabled due to issues with the back-end support
[13:41] <rgreening> jussi01: devicekit-disks (used by back-end) has an issue. There is an open bug reprt on it. See:https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23541
[13:41] <jussi01> rgreening: oh...
[13:41]  * jussi01 goes to try remember how to format properly in kde...
[13:41] <rgreening> jussi01: it's being worked on. I believe evand is trying to get a work around in the meantime.
[13:42] <rgreening> jussi01: sudo fdisk <dev>
[13:42] <rgreening> jussi01: delete the partitions and create a new one
[13:42] <rgreening> jussi01: mark it a bootable and set the type to 'b' Fat 32
[13:42] <rgreening> jussi01: then save and exist fdisk.
[13:43] <jussi01> rgreening: I got to figure out which /dev it is first :D
[13:43] <rgreening> jussi01: now mkfs.vfat on the partition
[13:43] <rgreening> dmesg after pluggin it in
[13:43] <rgreening> should tell you /dev/sdc1 or somethnig like that
[13:43] <jussi01> ahh, sdb. (and good point)
[13:43] <rgreening> :)
[13:44] <rgreening> sudo fdisk /dev/sdb
[13:44] <rgreening> d to delete
[13:44] <rgreening> n for new
[13:44] <rgreening> t for type
[13:45] <rgreening> a for bootable flag
[13:45] <rgreening> w to save
[13:45] <rgreening> :)
[13:46] <jussi01> do I want extended or primary?
[13:50] <jussi01> rgreening: ok, I went for primary, 1. How do I know the partition now to run mkfs.vfat on?
[13:51] <jussi01> oh never mind...
[13:51] <jussi01> headdesk
[14:01] <jussi01> rgreening: It didnt work. :/
[14:01] <jussi01> rgreening: the created USB says that it hasnt got an OS, remove and reboot.
[14:12] <rgreening> jussi01: weird
[14:13] <rgreening> jussi01: can you mount the usb stick?
[14:13] <rgreening> jussi01: can you verify the FS is vfat?
[14:18] <rgreening> jussi01: and did you remember to set eh bootable flag to on for the partition?
[14:20] <rgreening> jussi01: it should look something like this in fdisk:
[14:20] <rgreening>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[14:20] <rgreening> /dev/sdc1   *           1        1012     2007777    b  W95 FAT32
[14:20] <rgreening> notice the '*' for bootable and 'b  W95 FAT32' for FS type
[14:21] <rgreening> jussi01: also the fdisk anbd mkfs commands need to be done while the stick is unmounted else it gets corrupted.
[14:22] <siegie> When i select encrypted home, the swap partition wil also be encrypted. This means that hibernate can't work. Could hibernate be removed from the menu in the case of encrypted swap?
[14:28] <rgreening> siegie: I think swap unencryption occurs early on so it should work (unless you tested and it doesn't). In the later case, file a bug report aboutit.
[14:33] <siegie> rgreening: it doesn't work in my case. When I look at the bluprint specification "Ubuntu installations with Home Directory Encryption selected should encrypt swap space and disable hibernation capabilities. " with tell my that hibernation wil be disabled. It's maybe the case in ubuntu but not kubuntu. I just want to make sure that kubuntu will not be forgotten with new features in ubuntu.
[14:48] <rgreening> siegie: oh, didn't realize that. Riddell ^
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> Riddell is away unitl thursday
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> *until
[15:52] <nixternal> shtylman: if you need me to do the text write up stuff, let me know...marketing and that kind of stuff is my background :)
[15:53] <rgreening> jussi01: evand has released 0.2.5 usb-creator-kde. SO I expect it to be uploaded and building soonish
[16:25] <yuriy> hmm this might be nice for the feedback plasmoid http://amroth.coldshock.net/kmess/blog/generally-kmess/allowing-user-feedback-with-likeback/
[16:36] <maco> hey what was it about a kubuntu firefox package?
[16:38] <maco> i dont suppose itd be possible to teach firefox to say "Ubuntu" in its User Agent when logged into gnome and "Kubuntu" when in KDE so that we show up as "Kubuntu"?
[16:38] <maco> (right now, all ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu users show as ubuntu)
[16:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: batl10n for l10n packages :P
[16:40] <apachelogger> actually, I seem to remember that I told you once already :P
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: should we do it?
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> seems to be a matter of somebody having enough bandwidth
[16:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can't hurt, though I find it mostly pointless
[16:41] <apachelogger> it will be difficult to communicate to users that they need to install kde-l10n-$theircode
[16:42] <apachelogger> even considering that the ppa users are probably more advanced ones anyway
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> should the langpacks depend on their corresponding kde-l10n?
[16:42] <apachelogger> they should
[16:42] <apachelogger> Riddell said that arne was going to implement that for karmic
[16:42] <apachelogger> but it's not yet done there either
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> so basically jaunty is screwed for KDE 4.3 translations, oh well
[16:43] <apachelogger> yeps, because I wasn't enough of a PITA when I backported kde-l10n for hardy back in the days :(
[16:44]  * JontheEchidna wonders if the templates for the packages with abort -> cancel string changes have been imported to rosetta yet
[16:45] <apachelogger> good thing it is so easy to check, huh? :S
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> if only one could search the entire source package
[16:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I can't reproduce the language-selector issue
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> hmm, maybe it's fixed then
[16:46] <apachelogger> when I close install-package l-s just goes ahead
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> cool
[16:46] <apachelogger> then reports that the packages have been installed
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> huh
[16:46] <apachelogger> which is a bug of it's own but lower profile
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> well, at least it doesn't hange with the grey screen anymore
[16:47] <apachelogger> aye
[16:47] <apachelogger> closing as fixed
[16:47] <apachelogger> reporting new bug :D
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> :D
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kdepim/+pots/akregator/es/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=abort
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> Still has abort strings in the template, meaning that those three strings are totally untranslated
[16:49] <apachelogger> prepare the suse-like translations system I say
[16:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe we didn\t change them?
[16:50] <apachelogger> or did we?
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> we changed them for a papercut
[16:50] <apachelogger> well, those strings as well :{
[16:50] <apachelogger> :P
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> and we have a bug report about that last string
[16:50] <apachelogger> darn you qwerty
[16:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh welly
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> "Abort fetches" was changed to "Cancel fetches" and shows up as English :(
[16:52] <apachelogger> eh
[16:52] <apachelogger> you are wrong
[16:52] <apachelogger> our change were incomplete
[16:52] <apachelogger> take a look at the diff
[16:52] <apachelogger> -    stopAction->setText(i18n("&Abort Fetches"));
[16:52] <apachelogger> +    stopAction->setText(i18n("C&ancel Fetches"));
[16:53] <apachelogger> not "abort fetch"
[16:53] <apachelogger> eh, fetch aborted even
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[16:53] <apachelogger> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kdepim/+pots/akregator/es/281/+translate
[16:53] <apachelogger> that one is actually translated
[16:54]  * JontheEchidna wonders how many languages that string will actually be translated in
[16:55] <apachelogger> 5
[16:55] <apachelogger> if we are lucky
[16:55] <apachelogger> I am quite sure german will not be translated
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> :(
[16:56] <apachelogger> oh
[16:56] <dpm> apachelogger: JontheEchidna: I've heard this change for the first time, so I don't think translators would know about it. Could you guys e-mail ubuntu-translators about it?
[16:56] <apachelogger> oh, no one wrote a mail
[16:57] <apachelogger> no wonder my system is all englishy :D
[16:57]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna into producing some content there
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> "halp, translate stringz pl0x" :P
[16:57] <apachelogger> also I was wrong when I said that language-selector reports success where there is none ... it actually checks the exit code, which is 0 if install-package is properly quit
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> I'll try to find all the places where the abort strings were changed
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> then send off an email
[16:58] <apachelogger> if for example it gets xkilled l-s will tell the user in a friendly manner that the language could not be set
[16:58] <dpm> :) Just a brief e-mail announcing the changes will do
[16:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: gypsy branch every package branch and grep :)
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> dpm: ok, I like that better
[16:59] <apachelogger> lazy b.. :P
[16:59] <dpm> I could do it myself, but you guys know better which changes
[16:59] <apachelogger> good nus everyone, qt-language-selector is bugfree (reportwise at least)
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> \0/
[17:00] <apachelogger> if anyone cares to improve the UI though...
[17:00] <apachelogger> makes me wanna throw up every single time I see it
[17:00]  * JontheEchidna wonders when UI freeze is
[17:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so what does gdebi do to prevent premature exits?
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> uhh... I haven't checked actually
[17:01] <apachelogger> lol
[17:01] <apachelogger> so it might not do anything about it at all? :P
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> I did test that
[17:02] <apachelogger> now where do I find a deb that gdebi does not refuse to install due to newer version being installed -.-
[17:02] <apachelogger> dantti: pling pling
[17:03] <dantti> apachelogger: hey
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> huh, it does close. I really thought I tested that
[17:04] <apachelogger> dantti: hola, can we haz --refresh (to refersh package cache) and multi-argument support for the name based installation?
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> I do know for a fact that adept does this, though
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> the question is... how the heck does it do it?
[17:05] <dantti> apachelogger: hmm you want kpk to have --refresh and --instal-package pkg1 pkg2 pkg3?
[17:05] <apachelogger> aye
[17:05] <apachelogger> I actually have a hack for tha latter somewhere on my netbook ... I got a bit bored one might say ;)
[17:05] <dantti> apachelogger: well iirc you already can install multiple packages..
[17:06] <apachelogger> dantti: yeah, but that requires multiple options
[17:06] <apachelogger> so --install pkg1 --install pkg2 --install pkg3
[17:06] <dantti> for the refresh part I can add that option, (I'll also add it to the DBus session interface) so i can remove some code from kded
[17:06] <apachelogger> which is not very user friendly and requires more code in applications using this particular option
[17:07] <dantti> apachelogger: well the problem i had is that when dolphin (for example) calls kpk with multiple packages i can't distinguich what are they..
[17:08] <apachelogger> dantti: pardon?
[17:09] <dantti> apachelogger: if you can give me a patch to test, I have some other stuff (more important imo) to do now, but surelly if in the future i find out how to deal with both cases I'll change it
[17:09] <dantti> apachelogger: the problem is that i tryied to do that, (the --install-pkg) but i had some limitations..
[17:09] <dantti> if you have a patch i can test it..
[17:09] <apachelogger> dantti: well, in theory you only need to change it for the install by name case .
[17:10] <apachelogger> don't care about the file name stuff ;-)
[17:11] <dantti> apachelogger: I'll put on my todo.. I'm finishing the new simulate ui..
[17:12] <apachelogger> supporting multiple arguments for both would actually require a pretty similar implementation ... basically you need to create the qstringlist yourself by iterating over args.arg(i)
[17:12] <apachelogger> dantti: I'll send you my changes later today for some inspiration :)
[17:12] <dantti> apachelogger: ok, thanks :)
[17:14] <apachelogger> oh dear lord, update-manager started installing stuff
[17:14] <apachelogger> beware apachelogger's broken machine -.-
[17:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, I can close the gdebi installation dialog
[17:18] <apachelogger> also seems to interrupt the installation
[17:21] <ScottK> Can't gdebi go away?
[17:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: install-package depends on it
[17:22] <apachelogger> also it is more userfriendly than kpk at this point
[17:22] <apachelogger> so first I'd nuke install-package and then hunt down gdebi
[17:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the only sensible solution I can think about: reimplement kapplication and override it's quit slot, to prevent quitting
[17:23] <apachelogger> or at least display a warning and exit with non-0 exit code
[17:55] <apachelogger> this pykde stuff cracks me up
[17:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna:  oh well, let's just get install-package replaced by kpk
[17:56] <apachelogger> not worth digging in that mess
[17:56] <spstarr> hmm
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Agreed. RESOLVED WHOGIVESASHIT
[17:59] <apachelogger> nice resolution tag
[17:59] <apachelogger> must remember
[18:00] <apachelogger> KDE detected that one or more internal sound devices were removed.
[18:00] <apachelogger> Do you want KDE to permanently forget about these devices?
[18:00] <apachelogger> oh my
[18:04] <apachelogger> oh and networkmanager is also installed again
[18:04] <apachelogger> how I hate distupgrades -.-
[21:46] <spstarr> yeah, I will get a PPA setup for Qt 4.6/KDE trunk for people wanting to play, it will take time though at least for the KDE bits, I dont build of all of KDE daily, just the parts I use mainly for development
[23:35] <shtylman> nixternal: lp:~shtylman/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/kubuntu-slideshow ... in the slides/kubuntu folder , if you could take a look at the verbage that would be great :)
[23:35] <shtylman> apachelogger: still need that installer style package?


[00:17] <adrenaline_> I use unetbooten also for the record.
[00:18] <adrenaline_> sorry got pulled away to a meeting.
[00:23] <holstein> adrenaline_: not for multibooting though, correct?
[00:29] <adrenaline_> Nope Actually when I can I used the Ubuntu disk utility because it has persistence up to 4Gig
[00:29] <holstein> adrenaline_: does it support mulitbooting?
[00:30] <adrenaline_> I can do updates and it is also live so I can boot to it from where-ever
[00:30] <adrenaline_> no
[00:30] <starrats> hello adrenaline
[00:31] <holstein> adrenaline_: i hadnt checked it out in a while, and thought maybe it was added. which would make it a nice option
[00:31] <adrenaline_> I have used this before for multiboot
[00:31] <adrenaline_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/multisystem/
[00:31] <holstein> i thinks thats the one that linus was trying
[00:32] <adrenaline_> Oh is that pendrive?
[00:33] <adrenaline_> I went to 3 semesters of school using xubuntu on a persistent thumbdrive saving assignments and presentations and updating.
[00:34] <adrenaline_> I would boot it on the schools computer and all I had to carry around was the thumbdrive.
[00:46] <xubuntu315> hello
[00:46] <ethermonk> hi
[00:46] <xubuntu315> xubuntu is good for low spec machines?
[00:46] <ethermonk> yes
[00:46] <holstein> try it live.. if the live CD will run, you will likely be fine with it installed
[00:46] <xubuntu315> is better than ubuntu for low spec right?
[00:46] <ethermonk> yes
[00:47] <xubuntu315> my pc is so bad, with 512 ram and low cpu to
[00:47] <ethermonk> it is ubuntu, but an ubuntu better for older/slow gear
[00:47] <ethermonk> it will run fine xubuntu315
[00:47] <xubuntu315> i have windows installed in my HD windows 7 but is so slowly :\ i need try something diferent
[00:47] <ethermonk> it will run better with xubuntu than on win7
[00:48] <holstein> that can depend on driver support.. but, xubuntu is a fine choice for a machine of that spec..
[00:48] <xubuntu315> thanks for help me guys. tell me other thing please and sorry my english im portuguese, xubuntu have wireless drivers when installed? I have an asus eepc
[00:49] <holstein> xubuntu315: the linux kernel is modular, and contains many drivers
[00:49] <holstein> xubuntu315: it will depend on your particular hardware as to how the support is "out of the box"
[00:49] <holstein> try it live, and see how the wifi works before installing
[00:50] <holstein> !wifi
[00:50] <xubuntu315> maybe is better if try live version then install with wubi right?
[00:51] <holstein> xubuntu315: "better" is always a matter of opinion.. i dont prefer the wubi, but a wubi install can be removed from inside windows like an application
[00:52] <ethermonk> with 512 RAM, run Live, do not use wubi
[00:52] <xubuntu315> yeah I know that. I only will use wubi because  Im ne in this "world" and I have "scare" If I make something wrong, just that
[00:53] <xubuntu315> new*
[00:53] <holstein> xubuntu315: you should not be scared. you should be prepared
[00:53] <holstein> xubuntu315: plan for failure, and have good backups, since *all* hard drives will fail
[00:53] <ethermonk> anything you dont want to lose, you should have backups of anyway. if you dont have backups, your asking for trouble no matter what your doing or safe it is deemed
[00:54] <Unit193> I'd personally recommend vbox over wubi.
[00:54] <holstein> i would want to have all my data safely backed up before doing any of these options.. other than just running a live CD to check it out
[00:54]  * holstein +1 on vbox
[00:54] <xubuntu315> vbox? virtualobox?
[00:54] <ethermonk> yes
[00:55] <Unit193> Live is great,  will show you speedwise better than vbox, and wubi is just weird.
[00:55] <ethermonk> i recommend Linux Live USB Creator for Windows. it creates bootable live linux disks and includes a virtual box app to make the USB device a virtual PC
[00:55] <xubuntu315> But why wubi is weird? Isnt just an installer?
[00:55] <holstein> xubuntu315: no
[00:55] <holstein> !wubi
[00:56] <ethermonk> LiLi ftw
[00:56] <holstein> xubuntu315: the end result is, basically, similar to an installed system, but not the same
[00:56] <xubuntu315> Hm ok, atm im downloading live version, after will burn at CD and try im my machine
[00:56] <xubuntu315> thanks all for help me
[01:00] <dunpeal> Hi folks. I'm running 13.04 and have the Nvidia binary driver installed. How do I remove it?
[01:00] <holstein> !nvidia
[01:01] <holstein> i think i just used "sudo apt-get autoremove nvidia*" ..but, you should be able to search "nvidia" in the package manager of your choice
[01:02] <dunpeal> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[01:02] <Unit193> ethermonk: LiLi++
[01:02] <dunpeal>   linux-headers-3.8.0-32 linux-headers-3.8.0-32-generic linux-image-3.8.0-32-generic linux-image-extra-3.8.0-32-generic nvidia-313-updates nvidia-common nvidia-settings-313-updates
[01:02] <dunpeal> holstein: won't it be a problem if it removes my kernel? :)
[01:02] <holstein> dunpeal: i didnt suggest you remove your kernel
[01:03] <dunpeal> oh, this is the old one
[01:03] <dunpeal> brb rebooting
[01:29] <psooo1> i have installed libr office from de software center, is it the latest version?
[01:29] <psooo1> * libre office
[01:30] <holstein> psooo1: it'll be the latest from the repos.. you can check "version" in a package manager or in the LO menu and check at the site and see
[01:30] <holstein> psooo1: there are usually ppa's to add newer versions, but, ubuntu locks most things at a version, frozen for that release
[01:30] <Itsame> probably not
[01:31] <psooo1> so are you saying that i should stay with this release?
[01:31] <Itsame> yes just keep using this release. it's new enough
[01:31] <psooo1> thnks ;)
[01:31] <Itsame> which xubuntu are you running?
[01:31] <psooo1> 12.04.3
[01:32] <Itsame> if you encounter problems or miss features you want, you could upgrade it with a PPA
[01:32] <Itsame> but, well, it's office. it just works ;p
[01:33] <psooo1> with a PPA - sorry , but i dont understand...i am new in Linux...
[01:34] <holstein> !ppa | psooo1
[01:35] <Itsame> it's basically installing an app outside of the Ubuntu Software Center
[01:35] <psooo1> ok thnks, i think this release is fine...i only make the question coz i see version 3 of libre office and in website i see 4....versions
[01:36] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa if you want/need a newer
[01:36] <Itsame> ah very good
[01:38] <psooo1> you also recommend me to stay with this one, right?
[01:39] <Itsame> yes if you don't mind on having the newest cutting edge features
[01:41] <psooo1> yes i think not
[01:41] <psooo1> i have microsoft office also
[01:42] <psooo1> but with a little problem...too. Can i transfer updates to from microsoft center ?
[01:42] <Itsame> you run microsoft office with wine?
[01:42] <psooo1> yes
[01:42] <Itsame> well try out if that works :)
[01:42] <Itsame> I'm not sure how the update process works
[01:43] <Itsame> maybe someone else can help out on this matter
[01:43] <holstein> nothing about linux prevents microsoft from allowing you to do that.. or prevents them from offically supporting linux
[01:43] <psooo1> i am affraid of something to crash...install it has given a lot of work...and i dont know if i remember all the steps...
[01:44] <holstein> if you are running in wine, you are not running it in a way that microsoft likely officially supports
[01:44] <psooo1> yes thats the question
[01:45] <holstein> psooo1: sure.. but the answer is just that.. you are not following the intended use case, so, you have to provide your own support
[01:46] <psooo1> do you think a crash could happen?
[01:46] <psooo1> if i try to download updates from microsfot website?
[01:46] <holstein> psooo1: its a computer.. i think a crash can happen if you were using it as intended
[01:48] <psooo1> i think the risk is high
[01:48] <holstein> psooo1: risk? you are not using the product as intended..
[01:48] <psooo1> i only think in that because excel has a little bug...
[01:49] <psooo1> but i even dont know if it is an update reason
[01:50] <psooo1> yes, i think that because of that - i am not using the product as intended
[01:50] <psooo1> so it can happen something that crashes te installation
[02:11] <starrats> prefers Apache Open Office over MS office, IMO
[03:59] <sixpack> Hi all I am having a heck of a time trying to install xubuntu 13.10 on an old pc
[04:00] <holstein> sixpack: how old? maybe its not supporting linux?
[04:00] <holstein> !nomodeset | sixpack can be helpful
[04:00] <sixpack> it loads and just goes to a black screen with a mouse cursor and flashes between black and just a mouse cursor
[04:00] <holstein> !mini | sixpack this can also help get a base on the machine, and get started
[04:00] <sixpack> yes I tried that setting but it still does the same thing
[04:01] <holstein> sixpack: then, it could be a bad iso, or bad media
[04:01] <sixpack> I dont have internet connection on this old pc
[04:01] <sixpack> hmm never thought of that
[04:01] <holstein> sixpack: i have also seen bad older optical drives
[04:01] <sixpack> is there a way to check the dvd
[04:01] <sixpack> yes thats what happend at first.. it was a crappy old dvdrom
[04:01] <holstein> sixpack: there is an integreity check built into the disc.. or
[04:01] <holstein> !md5
[04:02] <holstein> sixpack: could be other hardware failing as well..
[04:03] <sixpack> ok.. let me check the dvd and is there any other setting I could use to boot besides nomodeset?
[04:04] <sixpack> brb I am only using one monitor for both of my systems.. thanks for your help so far!
[04:06] <sixpack> ok its checking the dvd now
[04:06] <holstein> sixpack: you can use the mini iso, and see if the alternate installs
[04:06] <sixpack> right I had to use the alternet one before on my laptop I guess if none of this works that will be what I will try next
[04:07] <holstein> you can test, and rule out issues, and go from there.. if its grahpics card related, you can always install the mini and uprade, and use an xorg.conf that forces the vesa driver
[04:07] <holstein> sixpack: i usually try and boot *any* live CD.. even a knoppix live CD can tell you what grahpics driver is possible, or at least help you determine what ubuntu needs
[04:09] <sixpack> ya I have knoppix.. damn I never even thought of that.. I didnt bother because XP works fine on this system
[04:09] <sixpack> ok it said the dvd is good
[04:11] <holstein> sixpack: the Xp support is quite irrelevant
[04:11] <holstein> sixpack: the drivers there wont support linux, so you can just move on to the knoppix.. if it boots, you can grab the xorg.conf from that live session, and try it in xubuntu
[04:16] <sixpack> ok I am booting into knoppix now
[04:16] <sixpack> alright knoppix works fine...
[04:17] <sixpack> how do I get the xorg.conf?
[04:18] <holstein> sixpack: should be in the normal place.. /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:24] <sixpack> ok so I copied to a usb
[04:24] <sixpack> how do I use it in the boot menu of xubuntu
[04:38] <sixpack> ok I give up on the main install... where do I find the alternate version for 13.10? all I can find is the alternate for the 12.04
[04:41] <sixpack> hello?
[04:45] <sixpack> ok I cant find the alternate cd or mini cd for xubuntu.. anyone have a hint?
[04:46] <sixpack> well I guess I am going to try the 12.04 alternate cd
[04:47] <sixpack> I have always had such problems installing ubuntu yeesh, the only reason I use it is because it has the best support and compatability.. but now I am not so sure
[08:45] <Sysi> am I still supposed to use gksu(do) to run graphical programs on 13.10 because it's not installed by default, or is sudo good now?
[08:47] <Unit193> pkexec is the new tool, which doesn't work.  I still use gksudo, but sudo -i foo  is an option.
[08:48] <Sysi> guell I'll keep using sudo -i
[09:15] <Bugari> Hey guys, I have quite weird problem - i cannot use alt+tab, i broke it somehow, i guess.. alt+shift+tab works as it should.
[09:56] <littlebit> hi people, I have installed xubuntu 13.04 and I have always  in the top left corner of my desktop I have an icon of the startup menu always there. does anyone know how to remove it?
[10:15] <cub> littlebit, can't you just right click it and choose "Remove"?
[10:18] <littlebit> cub: it is like a picture bug that wont go away
[10:18] <cub> littlebit, hmm I don't understand then. can you make a screenshot?
[10:26] <Bugari> Does any one know, how to restore alt+tab functionality? alt+shift+tab works as it supposed to, alt+tab does not..
[10:41] <littlebit> cub: ok
[10:45] <littlebit> cub: here u go http://imagebin.org/288112
[10:52] <denis__> allo
[10:53] <cfhowlett> denis__, greetings
[10:53] <denis__> Je suis nouveau ici
[10:53] <cfhowlett> !fr|denis__,
[10:54] <denis__> merci
[10:57] <uflaig> hello, I have a problem with my mic which has not been solved till this very day, can somebody help me out? Apparently I'm getting no input on Skype or Teamspeak
[10:58] <uflaig> not sure what I could do
[11:04] <cub> littlebit, wow, sorry no idea about that one. :)
[11:04] <cub> hang around and someone else might know
[13:07] <Monkeytoe> hello
[13:08] <Monkeytoe> I am trying to do an apt-get upgrade on my xubuntu 13.10 desktop. It is giving me this error.
[13:08] <Monkeytoe> Reading package lists... Done
[13:08] <Monkeytoe> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net saucy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 981605430AE7FCDA
[13:08] <Monkeytoe> What do I do? :)
[13:19] <exact> hi, guys can anyone help me ? installed 13.10 xubuntu and after installing any videodriver I have blackscreen after reboot. Pls help
[13:21] <baizon> Monkeytoe: add the key
[13:22] <baizon> Monkeytoe: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/InstallingSoftware
[17:31] <pc-02_> hello, can someone help me fix Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/nvidia-settings" (No such file or directory)
[17:31] <pc-02_> i cant open X
[17:31] <pc-02_> X Server Settings*
[17:34] <bingo> is command to reinstall it?
[17:36] <genii> bingo: Might want to try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-settings
[17:37] <bingo> ty trying
[17:37] <bingo>   nvidia-settings-304
[17:37] <bingo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[17:37] <bingo>   nvidia-settings nvidia-settings-304
[17:38] <bingo> hope it wont uninstall 319 driver
[17:38] <bingo> yes it works! ty genii
[17:40] <Golynx> Hi guys. Does the LAMP stack work in Xubuntu ? Also will my code be highlighted in gedit in Xubuntu. I wana switch from unity.
[17:47] <Sysi> Golynx: everything should work as it works on other *buntus
[17:48] <Golynx> Sysi thanks . That is great to know :)
[18:31] <Golynx> Sysi are you sure all my data and programs will be available in Xfce desktop when i install xubuntu-desktop from Unity ?
[18:31] <Sysi> yes
[18:31] <Golynx> awesome thanks
[18:53] <netsky> if i change panel settings in xfce session, will they be reflected in xubuntu session too?
[18:55] <brainwash> netsky: yes, both sessions share the same user config files
[18:57] <netsky> let me be more specific - i want to change xfce panel and don't want it to alter my xubuntu panel settings - but that is not possible, right?
[19:03] <brainwash> not sure if there is an built in way to do it
[19:05] <xubuntu114> Hello to everyone from Greece. I am trying to install Xubuntu 13.10 on an LG P1 Express Dual Laptop and after booting from the live dvd, my keyboard stops functioning. That is, I cannot type anything. If I use an external USB keyboard, it works. Is there any workaround to this problem? Thanks in advance.
[19:25] <pitchdark> 13.10 question - After upgrading ubuntu (not xubuntu) from 13.04 to 13.10, I experienced so many issues that I decided to switch to xubuntu 13.04.  Are there any strong reasons for upgrading a solid working 13.04 xubuntu to 13.10?
[19:26] <Myrtti> other than getting security updates and being able to update to 14.04 in a few months?
[19:43] <xubuntu114> Hello to everyone from Greece. I am trying to install Xubuntu 13.10 on an LG P1 Express Dual Laptop and after booting from the live dvd, my keyboard stops functioning. That is, I cannot type anything. If I use an external USB keyboard, it works. Is there any workaround to this problem? Thanks in advance.
[19:45] <xubuntu337> default file permissions
[19:45] <xubuntu337> how do you set default file permissions for x11 applications
[19:51] <georgchr> Hello everybody
[19:54] <elfy> georgchr: hello - if you've a question, then ask it - you'll find out if someone know's an answer then
[19:54] <georgchr> Alright so.
[19:55] <georgchr> I am trying to find out how to set default file permissions for X11 applications.
[19:55] <koegs> hm?
[19:57] <georgchr_> *
[19:57] <georgchr_> I want permissions rw-r----- (640 octal)
[19:58] <georgchr_> Evolution mailer stores new mail messages  with permissions rw------- (600 octal)
[19:59] <georgchr_> changing umask in .profile, .bash_profile, /etc/login.defs doesn't change behaviour of Evolution
[20:00] <georgchr_> +
[20:00] <bekks> georgchr_: If thats hardcoded in evolution, no umask will change it.
[20:01] <georgchr_> Is that a fact that it is hardcoded?
[20:01] <bekks> I havent used evolution for a decade now, I dont know.
[20:02] <georgchr_> I found a suggestion for gdm display manager (which xubuntu does not use) to set umask in the Xsession file
[20:03] <georgchr_> I can't find an Xsession file under /etc/lightdm/
[20:04] <georgchr_> Any suggestions where you could try to insert a "umask ..." line for Xubuntu / lightdm ?
[21:11] <georgchr_> BB, g2g
[21:11] <xubuntu367> i cant figure out how to make my screen brighter
[21:13] <xubuntu367> im new to the the laptop and ubuntu and cannot figure out to make the screen brighter any herlp
[21:39] <pitchdark> screen brightness should be controlled by a FN + key press combination
[21:41] <adrenaline_> I don't have xubuntu in front of me but i think if you go to the menu then system settings then power then look and see what the settings are for brightness.
[22:21] <xubuntu367> how do u set up a wifi connection
[22:23] <Noskcaj> xubuntu367, As in connect to an existing network?


[16:07] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: Thats an interesting solution...
[16:08] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, it'll work, and it's easy.
[16:09] <Eickmeyer> Just utilizes the postinst/prerm scripting I put in ubuntustudio-pipewire-config.
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> Also guarantees the services are taken care of.
[16:12] <OvenWerks> That was my thought as well
[16:13] <Eickmeyer> What inspired me is that Ubuntu Desktop decided to install pipewire-audio which is the metapackage created upstream in Debian, which installs pipewire-alsa which conflicts with pulseaudio. With that, it means studio-controls is useless *unless* a meta like this gets installed.
[16:14] <OvenWerks> I need to set up development on my LT. If/when I can get PW to bridge to Jack, PA can fade into history
[16:15] <Eickmeyer> Yep, that would be so nice.
[16:17] <OvenWerks> If push comes to shove, Making something like zitta-ajbridge that hits a PW pseudo ALSA device may be the way to go.
[16:18] <OvenWerks> but PW is supposed to be able to bridge already, I have just not heard or read of anyone actually doing it.
[16:26] <OvenWerks> Got myself a new guitar amp... 100watts, $56CAD, 3x4x1in.
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> Oooo! Nice!
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> Decent deal too!
[16:28] <OvenWerks> (Its actually supposed to be a sub woofer amp, but it has a full range switch and my 12in speaker limits the high end anyway
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> I've accidentally thrown full-range through subs before in the middle of events. Not pretty. Mostly during system discovery.
[16:29] <OvenWerks> I'm feeding a cabinet emulator into it that acts as a preamp.
[16:31] <OvenWerks> I have found that using a 12 inch speaker makes a big difference to the sound.
[16:31] <Eickmeyer> It does.
[16:32] <Eickmeyer> I've even used a single input, taken that into two different amp emulators and tweaked each one to have a slightly different sound to give it a stereo effect. It's really cool.
[16:33] <Eickmeyer> Oh! For the Ardour export issue, a simple workaround is to switch it from using Jack to ALSA for exporting if Pipewire is the audio engine.
[17:28] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Yes That works. Except... if the person is using a jack application such as rosegarden, hydrogen, etc. as part of their work chain.
[17:29] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I'm talking about if it's already recorded and processed.
[17:29] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer:  It is possible to run the export in RT as well.
[17:29] <Eickmeyer> Freewheel is supported now though?
[17:30] <OvenWerks> there are a number of people who run hydrogen as jack master
[17:31] <OvenWerks> free wheel is suposed to be supported, even with the version I use but Ardour still freezes... seems to freeze the whole audio chain.
[17:35] <Eickmeyer> Well, using the metapackage should switch our audio stack back to the previous non-pipewire behavior.
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> Also, 23.04 will have Wayland installed, but not selected by default.
[17:38] <OvenWerks> I don't think wayland will be a problem. I have been using it with 22.10 for a while. The only problem I have had is everything is so small be default
[17:38] <OvenWerks> It is probably in setup somewhere.... but I use ctl/+ a lot
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> The display scaling in Plasma 5.27 is much, much better.


[01:03] <rachaelb> hi joshuahoover :)
[01:08] <CardinalFang> rachaelb, others are listening too.
[01:09] <rachaelb> hi cardinalfang
[01:09] <rachaelb> sorry - was writing an email
[01:09] <rachaelb> lol
[01:09] <rachaelb> i have an observation/bug for you
[01:10] <rachaelb> ive been subscribing to ubuntuone on principle
[01:10] <rachaelb> but last month my credit card wasnt debited when the account was up for renewal
[01:10] <CardinalFang> Er, okay.  We like bug reports.  We like you reporting them on launchpad.net more, but we'll take them here.
[01:10] <rachaelb> which is problem (a)
[01:10] <CardinalFang> Huh.
[01:11] <rachaelb> problem (b) i didnt get an email telling me this
[01:11] <rachaelb> problem (c) my account was therefore downgraded to the freebie 2g account
[01:11] <rachaelb> problem (d) (maybe) if id have had more than 2g of data would I have lost it?
[01:11] <CardinalFang> Er, don't invent problems with "d".  :)(
[01:12] <rachaelb> thought id better bring this to someones attention
[01:12] <CardinalFang> Yes indeed.
[01:12] <rachaelb> oh go one... let me invent problems... i love hypotheticals!
[01:13] <CardinalFang> I happen to have someone across from me right now.
[01:13] <rachaelb> lucky you!
[01:13] <rachaelb> is he good looking? single?? straight???
[01:14] <CardinalFang> ...  Sadly, we're both straight.
[01:14] <rachaelb> why sadly? works for me :)
[01:14] <rachaelb> anyway back to the subject in hand lol
[01:15] <CardinalFang> Okay, he says you should go to the one.u.c web page and find "account assistance" and tell us about the problem there, and the right people will see it.
[01:15] <rachaelb> okey-dokes no problem... i didnt think this was a launchpad kinda thing which is why i thought id raise the issue here
[01:16] <CardinalFang> (Several of us are on a development sprint, in the same city, so I would never get to yell at him directly.  It's your lucky day, rachaelb.)
[01:16] <CardinalFang> ^so^and normally
[01:17] <rachaelb> does "development sprint" involve the consumption of vast amounts of alcohol?
[01:17] <CardinalFang> Indeed it does.
[01:17] <rachaelb> :-D
[01:17] <rachaelb> dammmm.... im gonna become a full time geekette then!
[01:17] <CardinalFang> We're in Portland OR, too, which has excellent variation of beers.
[01:18] <rachaelb> Portland... you mean the place where people live when the cant afford california?
[01:18] <CardinalFang> I suppose.  I'm just visiting.
[01:18] <rachaelb> lol
[01:18] <rachaelb> very diplomatic
[01:19] <CardinalFang> I've only been in north-y california, so far.
[01:20] <rachaelb> ah-ha... youre a euro?
[01:20] <CardinalFang> Between San Francisco and Portland, I don't know I would pick SF over P anyway, independent of cost.
[01:20] <CardinalFang> No, Floridian.
[01:20] <rachaelb> fab
[01:21] <rachaelb> ok well i'll report things on the accounting page as requested... but ive gotta get to bed now cos its 1:20am here... thanks for the caht... see ya again soon :) and good look with the coding marathon
[01:22] <CardinalFang> Thanks.  From here, you'll benefit from arbitrary folder sync, soon.
[01:22] <rachaelb> gooood!
[01:22] <CardinalFang> G'night.
[01:22] <rachaelb> night x
[01:26] <duanedesign> jblount: your mention of preview ideas for one.ubuntu.com/files made me think og the preview implementation in gnome-activity-journal. I think they are headed in a good direction with their preview
[05:10] <tritium> I've had to add the same computer to my account 9 times since 10/31/09, including a few times in the past few days.  What's going on with ubuntu one?
[06:00] <duanedesign> tritium: there was an error that was found  serverside
[06:01] <duanedesign> it has been fixed (yesterday) and measures put in place to detect this kind of thing much faster in the future
[06:01] <duanedesign> also make sure you are running the newer client. ubuntuone-client 1.0.3 or better
[06:02] <duanedesign> tritium: you can check that by running in a Terminal: dpkg -l ubuntuone-client
[06:03] <duanedesign> tritium: if you need to update your client see: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+faq/930
[06:04] <duanedesign> if you have any further issues please file a bug report in launchpad. Right0click the Ubuntu One applet and select 'Report a Problem'
[13:22] <duanedesign> hello rtgz
[13:22] <rtgz> duanedesign, hi!
[13:22] <duanedesign> :)
[13:23] <rtgz> ACK
[13:24] <duanedesign> rtgz: what was the statur of the Internal Error
[13:24] <rtgz> duanedesign, missing in action. Cannot reproduce anymore :(
[13:25] <duanedesign> ahh
[13:54] <duanedesign> if anyone is going to look at any bugs this morning a couple i was not able to move forward. bug 515071
[13:57] <rtgz> duanedesign, I believe this has to do something with file state watcher (inotify) fails to detect file additions. I had this reproduced once but could not figure the exact sequence to reproduce yet
[13:58] <rtgz> duanedesign, in order to detect this I made a script for bug #488232 - it may be helpful somehow...
[14:01] <duanedesign> rtgz: thank you
[14:51] <rtgz> In case I don't return till 5PM (10 minutes from now), here's my "report"
[14:51] <rtgz> DONE: Investigated tomboy sync problems in bug #501020. Some bug responses.
[14:51] <rtgz> TODO: Scan through recent bug reports and find ones that can be detected via log parsing, update diagnose script.
[14:51] <rtgz> BLOCK: none
[15:00] <jblount> Desktop+ MEETING BEGINS / MEETING STARTS / LETS PASTE OUR STATUS
[15:00] <jblount> Hi folks! To grab a slice of meeting pie please respond with "me". DONE / TODO / BLOCKED is the format.
[15:01] <jblount> me
[15:01] <teknico> me
[15:02] <beuno> me
[15:02] <vds> me
[15:03] <jblount> Nice, we'll let the others chime in when they can:
[15:03] <jblount> DONE: Got start pages functional, sent emails
[15:03] <jblount> TODO: Get start pages into translatable build system thing
[15:03] <jblount> BLOCKED: No sir
[15:03] <jblount> teknico: Go time!
[15:04] <teknico> DONE: more bug triage; one more branch to fix the phone setup web interface, with vds
[15:04] <teknico> TODO: finish fixing the phone setup web interface code; funambol project review; trip to Millbank
[15:04] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:04] <teknico> next: beuno
[15:04] <beuno> DONE: Nothing yet!
[15:04] <beuno> TODO: Finish verifying bug 375174 is fixed
[15:04] <beuno> BLOCKED: No
[15:04] <beuno> vds, go
[15:04] <vds> DONE: branch to fix problems with phone numbers on ready to be proposed
[15:04] <vds> so is the branch to update to the new json connector
[15:04] <vds> TODO: review call and sprint
[15:04] <vds> BLOCKED: nope
[15:04] <vds> EOM maybe?
[15:05] <jblount> Yeah, EOM. Anyone who wants to paste should feel free when they can :)
[15:10] <rodrigo_> oh, came late
[15:10] <rodrigo_> • DONE: oauthdesktop usage in music store widget. Bug triaging. Recently used contacts in contacts picker
[15:10] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine? Add jslint tests to check. Remove autosave code in notes web editor. U1 client adds back button to pages. U1 client interrogates library page to update download progress. geoip detection on server to forward to appro
[15:10] <rodrigo_> priate store
[15:10] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:43] <rtgz> huh? bug #515336 - we are bundling our own verision of glib?
[16:05] <rodrigo_> rtgz, for jaunty, needed by libubuntuone, yeah
[16:05] <rodrigo_> rtgz, I'm waiting for a backtrace to see why it's happening, since it shouldn't, given glib is ABI compatible between karmic and jaunty
[16:07] <rtgz> rodrigo_, need to d/l jaunty ISO to try this...
[16:08] <rodrigo_> cool
[16:08] <rodrigo_> rtgz, please get a backtrace if possible, all the bug reporters haven't attached any
[16:47] <rtgz> rodrigo_, well... Erm... Guest gets kernel panic in KVM after 9.04 installation
[16:47] <rodrigo_> ugh
[17:05]  * rtgz is reinstalling 9.04 w/ regular IDE emulation, w/o virtio...
[19:57] <rtgz> what? upgraded my lucid install and it displayed the same progress bar in ascii below during boot as fedora... o_O
[20:03] <CardinalFang> rtgz, they're stirring that pot furiously.
[20:04] <rtgz> finally... I got fully updated jaunty installl... it took 3 hours for VM to download and install all packages...
[20:41] <rtgz> rodrigo_, reproduced
[20:52] <rtgz> rodrigo_, what info will be useful? there is a stack trace in the original bug report #515336, but looks that is w/o debug symbols
[20:54] <rtgz> rodrigo_, this does not happen with stock 2.20 glib but it does w/ the ppa one.
[21:05] <rtgz> rodrigo_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/368458/
[21:13] <rtgz> Okay, while I still have jaunty vm running, does anybody need to test anything?
[21:36] <rodrigo_> rtgz, hmm, I wonder if the karmic package has any patch that is missing
[21:37]  * rodrigo_ looks
[21:38] <rtgz> rodrigo_, hm and it is strange that the only failure it seems to be causing is nautilus.
[21:38] <rodrigo_> rtgz, yes, I guess some gvfs-related thing
[21:39] <rodrigo_> rtgz, hmm, I remember a bug in jaunty, iirc, about missing gvfs-backends package in default install
[21:39]  * rodrigo_ wonders if that's the cause
[21:40] <rodrigo_> well, no missing patches for sure, the jaunty package comes from karmic
[21:41] <rodrigo_> bug #515336
[21:42] <rodrigo_> rtgz, do you have gvfs-backends installed in the jaunty vm?
[21:43] <rtgz> rodrigo_, gvfs-ls computer:/// does not crash and lists CD-ROM Drive.drive and root.link
[21:44] <rtgz> rodrigo_, backends are installed
[21:47] <rodrigo_> hmm, I guess it needs a newer gvfs??
[21:50] <rodrigo_> rtgz, building a jaunty package of gvfs, can you try it as soon as it's built on my PPA?
[21:50] <rtgz> rodrigo_, sure
[21:50] <rodrigo_> rtgz, or even better, can you build it yourself on the jaunty vm?
[21:51] <rodrigo_> it's going to be quicker than waiting for the ppa
[21:51] <rtgz> rodrigo_, sure, tell me how and I will test :)
[21:51] <rtgz> rodrigo_, I mean tell me where to get the files :)
[21:54] <rodrigo_> https://edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/+archive/ppa
[21:54] <rodrigo_> when it accepts it, which should be in a few mins
[21:56] <rodrigo_> I guess I can copy them somewhere else
[21:58] <rodrigo_> rtgz, http://www.gnome.org/~rodrigo/ <- get the 4 gvfs* files
[22:12] <rtgz|jaunty> rodrigo_, dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgudev-1.0-dev libgdu-dev (>= 0.4)
[22:12] <rodrigo_> ugh
[22:12] <rtgz|jaunty> rodrigo_, i believe there is no libgudev and libgdu in jaunty
[22:13] <rodrigo_> I can backport them, but would that add new dependencies??
[22:13]  * rodrigo_ tries
[22:14] <rtgz|jaunty> rodrigo_, Can't I simply remove the dependency to these libs?
[22:14] <rodrigo_> yes, I'm thinking that's going to be easier, but I need to remove the dependency on libubuntuone for u1-client
[22:14] <rodrigo_> jaunty is too old it seems :)
[22:17] <rtgz|jaunty> building w/o these libs; don't know what will be broken though :)
[22:27] <dobey> sigh
[22:28] <dobey> i'm going to delete the package in the jaunty ppa
[22:28] <dobey> beta ppa
[22:31] <rodrigo_> dobey, already deleted
[22:32] <rodrigo_> rtgz|jaunty, don't worry, I'm patching u1-client to not use libu1 if not available, so we'll build the jaunty packages without that
[22:34] <dobey> how do we fix broken users?
[22:35] <rodrigo_> they have to dowbgrade the glib version
[22:35] <dobey> how?
[22:36] <rodrigo_> apt-get
[22:36] <rodrigo_> unless you know a better way
[22:37] <dobey> no, i don't know how at all?
[22:38] <dobey> it doesn't have a "downgrade" command
[22:39] <rodrigo_> dpkg --force-downgrade file.deb iirc
[22:41] <dobey> so we just tell people "find the older version, and run this command" ?
[22:41] <rodrigo_> no, we'll find it for them :)
[22:42] <rodrigo_> do you know of a better solution?
[22:43] <dobey> not at the moment, but i want this to never happen again :)
[22:43] <rodrigo_> me too :)
[22:45] <rtgz|jaunty> rodrigo_, aptitude install package=version seems to be a better alternative to dpkg for regular users
[22:45] <rodrigo_> dobey, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntuone-client/conditional-libu1/+merge/18572
[22:45] <rodrigo_> rtgz|jaunty, ah, cool, indeed it's better
[22:46] <rodrigo_> rtgz|jaunty, so can you please get the versions of the glib, libsoup and webkit packages in jaunty, so that we send a mail with the exact commands?
[22:47] <rtgz|jaunty> ok, i give up building it, it requires more changes to the *.install files and it looks like a lot of functionality becomes missing
[22:47] <aquarius> other possible but maybe horrible way of doing it: duplicate the old jaunty package, bump its version number and nothing else, and stick it in our ppa?
[22:48] <rtgz|jaunty> libglib2.0-0=2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1
[22:48] <rodrigo_> aquarius, hmm, maybe, but that would lie about the version numbers, I'm ok with it though :-)
[22:48] <aquarius> ah, it can be ordinary-version-number_ubuntu5 or something? or an epoch?
[22:49] <rtgz|jaunty> libsoup2.4-1=2.26.0-0ubuntu3
[22:49] <rodrigo_> aquarius, I upgraded from 2.20 to 2.24
[22:49] <aquarius> add a 1: epoch/
[22:49] <aquarius> ?
[22:49] <aquarius> I don't know much about what's recommended in these situations. Who knows lots about packaging?
[22:49] <aquarius> colin watson was just in here, too, damn
[22:49] <rodrigo_> kenvandine! :-)
[22:49] <kenvandine> hey
[22:50] <aquarius> i'll chase colin
[22:50] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, any suggestion on what to do to make users downgrade packages?
[22:50] <kenvandine> make them downgrade?
[22:50] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, I submitted karmic versions of 3 packages to a jaunty ppa, and now we're back to the jaunty versions, so we want users that got the broken packages downgrade
[22:51] <kenvandine> ewww...
[22:51] <kenvandine> humm
[22:51] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, we were thinking about telling them to run aptitute install package=version
[22:51] <rtgz|jaunty> libwebkit-1.0-2 is not in jaunty, libwebkit-1.0-1=1.0.1-4ubuntu0.1
[22:51] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, if it was just a ppa, that might be the best
[22:51] <rodrigo_> but aquarius suggests just bumping the version in the jaunty packager to be newer
[22:51] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, running aptitude?
[22:52] <kenvandine> or apt-get
[22:52] <kenvandine> i think the syntax is the same for that
[22:52] <rtgz|jaunty> btw, there is also libsoup-gnome2.4-1=2.26.0-0ubuntu3
[22:52] <rodrigo_> rtgz|jaunty, so: aptitude install libglib2.0-0=2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 libsoup2.4-1=2.26.0-0ubuntu3 libwebkit-1.0-1=1.0.1-4ubuntu0.1 libsoup-gnome2.4-1=2.26.0-0ubuntu3 ?
[22:52] <rtgz|jaunty> rodrigo_, let me try this :)
[22:53] <rodrigo_> ok
[22:53] <jcastro> apt-get install blah/jaunty?
[22:53] <kenvandine> right... what jcastro said
[22:53] <rodrigo_> oh, that's better I guess
[22:53] <jcastro> that's the right way to downgrade
[22:53] <jcastro> right
[22:54] <rodrigo_> so, apt-get install  libglib2.0-0/jaunty libsoup2.4-1/jaunty libwebkit-1.0-1/jaunty libsoup-gnome2.4-1/jaunty ?
[22:54] <cjwatson> rodrigo_: aquarius asks if you could give me the exact details of this versioning question
[22:54] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, ok, pasting:
 kenvandine, I submitted karmic versions of 3 packages to a jaunty ppa, and now we're back
 kenvandine, we were thinking about telling them to run aptitute install package=version
 kenvandine, I submitted karmic versions of 3 packages to a jaunty ppa, and now we're back to the jaunty versions, so we want users that got the broken packages downgrade
 but aquarius suggests just bumping the version in the jaunty packager to be newer
[22:55] <rodrigo_>  kenvandine, running aptitude?
[22:55] <cjwatson> right, can I have the exact versions?
[22:55] <rodrigo_> jcastro, suggests using apt-get install blah/jaunty
[22:55] <cjwatson> jcastro is wrong. :-)
[22:55] <rtgz|jaunty> hm
[22:55] <cjwatson> (I mean, yes, that works for one user, but I assume you want this to work for everyone)
[22:55] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, the jaunty versions or the karmic backported to jaunty versions?
[22:55] <cjwatson> rodrigo_: both
[22:55] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, yes, for everyone that upgraded
[22:55] <rtgz|jaunty> rodrigo_, this action has removed python-pam, python-openssl...
[22:55] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, ok
[22:56] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, jauinty -> libglib2.0-0=2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 libsoup2.4-1=2.26.0-0ubuntu3 libwebkit-1.0-1=1.0.1-4ubuntu0.1 libsoup-gnome2.4-1=2.26.0-0ubuntu3
[22:56] <cjwatson> I agree with aquarius that just bumping the version is sane
[22:56] <cjwatson> you just have to be careful about the exact version you choose
[22:57] <cjwatson> rodrigo_: ok, and karmic?
[22:57] <rodrigo_> karmic backports -> libglib2.0-0=glib2.0_2.22.3-0ubuntu2-ppa1~jaunty libsoup2.4-1=libsoup2.4_2.28.1-2ubuntu1-ppa1~jaunty libwebkit-1.0-1= webkit_<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty libsoup-gnome2.4-1=libsoup2.4_2.28.1-2ubuntu1-ppa1~jaunty
[22:57] <jcastro> cjwatson: I'm glad you're around. :)
[22:57]  * jcastro whistles
[22:58] <cjwatson> so it'll be a bit of a pain due to the different upstream tarballs
[22:58] <rodrigo_> rtgz|jaunty, oh, really?
[22:58] <cjwatson> but basically you need it to be less than any future version in karmic (e.g. a security fix)
[22:58] <rtgz|jaunty> rodrigo_, it looks like it was not required by any other package, though. let me double check why that happens
[22:59] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, 2.22.3-0ubuntu2-ppa2~jaunty ? to be newer than the broken package but older than any karmic upgrade?
[22:59] <cjwatson> so I would be inclined to suggest (deep breath) the formula glib2.0 2.22.3-0ubuntu2-ppa1~jaunty+really2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1
[23:00] <rodrigo_> ah ok
[23:00] <cjwatson> this is technically wrong because the upstream version will be considered as "2.22.3-0ubuntu2-ppa1~jaunty+really2.20.1"
[23:00] <cjwatson> but your version numbers are already broken in this regard
[23:00] <cjwatson> let this be a lesson to you. :-)
[23:00] <rodrigo_> :)
[23:01] <rtgz|jaunty> + libglib2.0-data=2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1
[23:01] <cjwatson> consider each source package as a unit, normally
[23:01] <rtgz|jaunty> but it will be picked up by atptitude automatically
[23:01] <cjwatson> yes, use dpkg --compare-versions to confirm
[23:02] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, isn't it easier to get users to downgrade, just in case there are upgrades in jaunty that are not taken into account because of the newer version in the ppa?
[23:02] <dobey> users are going to have to downgrade
[23:02] <cjwatson> if you can get ALL your users to downgrade, absolutely reliably, then you can do that
[23:02] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, well, not sure how many upgraded, but there are just 3 bug reports, so I guess not that many
[23:02] <cjwatson> if you cannot state this with 100% certainty then you're going to have to suck up the version bump
[23:03] <cjwatson> and merge future changes from jaunty
[23:03] <cjwatson> there's nothing else for it
[23:03] <dobey> we can't do a version bump
[23:03] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, in that case, would "aptitude install libglib2.0-0=2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 libsoup2.4-1=2.26.0-0ubuntu3 libwebkit-1.0-1=1.0.1-4ubuntu0.1 libsoup-gnome2.4-1=2.26.0-0ubuntu3 libglib2.0-data=2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1" work?
[23:03] <cjwatson> should do
[23:03] <rodrigo_> I guess we'll go for the downgrade way, and if there are many users, we'll do the version bump
[23:03] <rtgz|jaunty> rodrigo_, it does, at least for me. But all gvfs-related processes will need to be restarted as well
[23:04] <rodrigo_> rtgz|jaunty, yeah, right
[23:04] <cjwatson> has anyone ever built packages against this PPA?
[23:04] <cjwatson> I hope not :-)
[23:04] <dobey> only rodrigo
[23:05] <cjwatson> then you'll need to check everything built against that for incremented shlibdeps
[23:05] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, only the broken packages were built, and they are removed from the ppa now
[23:05] <cjwatson> right
[23:06] <rodrigo_> rtgz|jaunty, see my last comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/515336, is it ok?
[23:06] <cjwatson> if you decide to do the version bump, and you choose anything other than the formula above, please check with somebody on the foundations team :-)
[23:06] <dobey> but i also fixed this exact same bug > 12 months ago
[23:06] <cjwatson> it is very easy to paint yourself into a corner
[23:06] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, I'll ask you again if we have to do it :)
[23:07] <cjwatson> or in extreme cases to paint other teams into a corner too
[23:07] <rodrigo_> rtgz|jaunty, there is only one duplicate of that bug, wasn't there a 3rd bug?
[23:07] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, yeah, the version bump seems dangerous, for jaunty upgrades of those packages
[23:07] <cjwatson> the initial version bump was the dangerous bit
[23:07] <cjwatson> you're now in mitigation
[23:08] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, yeah, but then we'll have to keep an eye on updates, to update the package in the ppa, which we might miss
[23:08] <dobey> don't worry about the version bump
[23:08] <dobey> we can't do it
[23:08] <rodrigo_> so, let's see if we can solve the problem for now by having users downgrade
[23:08] <rtgz|jaunty> rodrigo_, yes, i have just performed the "upgrade", verified that bug is present, performed the downgrade, pkilled gvfs-* processes and started nautilus with computer:/// uri. It works
[23:08] <dobey> 2.20+43534343543543 is still < 2.22
[23:09] <rodrigo_> rtgz|jaunty, cool
[23:09] <dobey> the ONLY way to solve it with a version bump is to add an epoch, which we also can't do :)
[23:09] <cjwatson> NO NO NO
[23:09] <rtgz|jaunty> rodrigo_, i guess the bit about killing gvfs processes should be mentioned as well
[23:09] <cjwatson> do not even contemplate epochs
[23:09] <dobey> cjwatson: i'm not. i'm saying we can't and won't
[23:09] <cjwatson> and epochs are no better than the version bump form I suggested, anyway
[23:09] <dobey> cjwatson: if anyone does that ever, i will berate them :)
[23:10] <cjwatson> rodrigo_: right, my point is that by bumping the version in that PPA to start with, *that* was the thing that imposed this responsibility
[23:10] <rodrigo_> rtgz|jaunty, well, log out and back in should do it, right?
[23:10] <dobey> yes
[23:10] <cjwatson> if you see what I mean
[23:11] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, yes
[23:11] <dobey> there are two problems with the glib version that got uploaded
[23:11] <rtgz|jaunty> rodrigo_, well, yes...
[23:11] <rtgz|jaunty> rodrigo_, checking...
[23:11] <dobey> the appended string was wrong, and it was a major version update
[23:11] <cjwatson> right
[23:12] <dobey> so the only thing we can do is tell users to downgrade, really
[23:12] <rodrigo_> well, if we had backported gvfs, it would get fixed, but gvfs dependen on 2 new packages, so rtgz suggested to just not do more backporting
[23:13] <rodrigo_> which we owe him a beer for, if not I might have continued backporting like crazy :)
[23:13] <dobey> yeah, backporting glib level stuff is generally a bad idea
[23:13] <cjwatson> if you do, better to do so by means of a Debian-revision patch
[23:14] <cjwatson> it's easier to back things out then
[23:14] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, yeah, I thought it was ok, given glib has few deps, but didn't think about gvfs
[23:14] <cjwatson> few deps but a million reverse deps :-)
[23:15] <rodrigo_> well, it's api/abi compatible, that wasn't the problem
[23:15] <rtgz> rodrigo_, yes, gvfs processes die on logout, as it should be :)
[23:15] <dobey> yes it was the problem
[23:15] <rodrigo_> rtgz, cool, now let's just pray all users read the bug/mailing list
[23:15] <dobey> glib is not api/abi compatible
[23:15] <rodrigo_> dobey, it is
[23:15] <dobey> they say it is
[23:17] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, anyway, thanks for your help, I hope we can do the downgrade without hassle and not ask you again about the version bump :)
[23:17] <rtgz> rodrigo_, the bakporting might lead to bringing karmic to jaunty, which is,... well, not the original intended purpose
[23:17] <cjwatson> rodrigo_: *nod* no problem
[23:18] <rodrigo_> rtgz, yeah :)
[23:19] <rodrigo_> dobey, for the ppa packages, we need to do a release of u1-client, right?
[23:20] <dobey> for what?
[23:21] <rodrigo_> for building a u1-client without libu1
[23:21] <rtgz> rodrigo_, what was the original backport for?
[23:21] <rtgz> rodrigo_, i mean what should break when I downgrade the packages?
[23:22] <dobey> rodrigo_: we'll see
[23:22] <rodrigo_> rtgz, for webkit, needed by libu1, needed by libu1
[23:22] <rodrigo_> rtgz, I've submitted a branch for u1client to not use libu1 if not available, so for jaunty it should be ok
[23:22] <dobey> rodrigo_: i think i would rather just have a --disable-music-store in libu1
[23:23] <rodrigo_> dobey, I would rather have the contacts picker in u1-client source tree :)
[23:24] <rtgz> rodrigo_, erm... is music store already "there" ? I mean is there anything that uses libubuntuone in jaunty PPA ?
[23:24] <rodrigo_> rtgz, no, it's disabled
[23:24] <dobey> rodrigo_: i don't want a new library for every new feature we write that other people should be using too
[23:24] <rtgz> rodrigo_, ok, so it is seamless downgrade then
[23:24] <rodrigo_> rtgz, yes
[23:24] <dobey> rodrigo_: why didn't we put it in e-d-s?
[23:25] <rodrigo_> dobey, because it's specific to u1, at least for now
[23:25] <rodrigo_> I plan to propose it for e-d-s, once it's ready
[23:26] <rodrigo_> ok, enough for today, be back tomorrow
[23:28] <rtgz> okay, it is night here, so I am logging off. Thank you all, I am glad that this vm helped :)


[03:06] <pranith__> Hi, can anyone give me a pointer on how to create a package?
[03:06] <pranith__> I want to package the global package which is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~bobby-prani/gnuglobal/global-6.2
[04:05] <YokoZar> jtaylor: Wine1.6 is stuck in proposed due to a problem with britney itself
[04:06] <YokoZar> jtaylor: Wine is triggering spurious "uninstallable" errors because it has a cross-arch dependency
[22:49] <miseria> "El Tiempo no agrada a todo el mundo, libre albedrio, quien seria yo si pudiera hacer lo que el tiempo no puede?" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*


[01:20] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[01:20]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[01:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[01:25] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[01:25] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[02:04] <Symmetria> heh
[02:04] <Symmetria> sup ;p
[02:04] <Symmetria> what are you doing awake kilos
[02:04] <Kilos> im in aus Symmetria
[02:06] <Symmetria> http://pastebin.com/3GH3cCTe
[02:06] <Symmetria> wheeeee
[06:58] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:11] <pavlushka> Morning inetpro :)
[07:18] <superfly> Good evening
[07:19] <superfly> inetpro: did you fix it yet?
[07:59] <chesedo> morning Kilos Symmetria inetpro pavlushka superfly and all others
[07:59] <superfly> morning chesedo
[08:00] <chesedo> inetpro Kilos  superfly: did you also get the email about titanPad shutting down?
[08:00] <superfly> chesedo: yes
[08:02] <chesedo> i think we should be able to just use your pastebin for future meeting notes superfly?
[08:03] <superfly> chesedo: can do
[08:03] <superfly> I should really add those extra little features...
[08:03] <superfly> (titles was one of them)
[08:03] <superfly> (new post based on the old one is another)
[08:04] <chesedo> superfly: awesome... how is your visa and stuff coming along?
[08:04] <chesedo> is it written in py?
[08:04] <superfly> chesedo: my interview is on the 8th
[08:04] <superfly> chesedo: of course
[08:04] <chesedo> 2 || 3
[08:04] <superfly> chesedo: are you on Vleisboek?
[08:04] <superfly> chesedo: I can't remember
[08:05] <chesedo> superfly: no, what is that/it?
[08:05] <superfly> Facebook
[08:05] <chesedo> oh no...
[08:05] <chesedo> do you have its code on bazaar, gitlab or something?
[08:13]  * chesedo is also happier he is not on facebook after seeing this over the weekend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSSmmlridUM
[08:13] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... there's something to fix?
[08:13] <superfly> inetpro: everything!
[08:13] <superfly> chesedo: I don't think it's code is uploaded anywhere (other than my server)
[08:14] <inetpro> oh that one will take time superfly... be patient!
[08:16] <chesedo> superfly: oh ok...
[08:31] <superfly> chesedo: I'm struggling to come up with a unique name for it
[08:32] <chesedo> superfly: your pastebin code?
[08:32] <superfly> ja
[08:34] <chesedo> no worries. I just thought that i would take a look at the code if it was available... am suppose to finish up some other minor tasks anyway
[08:41] <Kilos> hi superfly inetpro chesedo paddatrapper and others
[08:41] <superfly> Kilos: good evening
[08:55] <paddatrapper> Morning Kilos
[09:52] <superfly> chesedo: http://junk.snyman.info/stickynotes.tar.gz
[12:03] <Kilos> have a great day all off you
[12:03] <Kilos> crash time here
[15:56] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!


[11:13] <MCR1> Trevinho: Hi :) Time for some Compiz approvals ?
[11:24] <popey> MCR1, I suspect he's recovering from UDS right now
[11:26] <MCR1> popey: I understand you all had a hard time, but I have to admit that I am quite disappointed about the commitment to Compiz, although it is the basis of the whole Ubuntu system :(
[11:26] <popey> sorry, i don't understand..
[11:27] <MCR1> popey: A lot of stuff is broken and Compiz is the basis for Unity, so fixes to Compiz should have most high, critical priority...
[11:28] <popey> many do
[11:28] <MCR1> popey: More experienced GLES coders should be assigned to working on Compiz, not just Daniel...
[11:29] <MCR1> popey: He is overwhelmed with the workflow, especially since r3320 - the big GLES conversion of Compiz...
[11:29] <popey> we have a lot of bugs, sure.
[11:29] <MCR1> The Linaro guys did not finish their job...
[11:30] <MCR1> popey: I am not only comlaining, I have made over 30 fixes to Compiz and Unity, but we need GLES experts for Compiz
[11:30] <MCR1> *complaining
[11:30] <popey> we have limited resources as you know, and many bugs
[11:31] <MCR1> popey: Yeah, but Compiz is the basis of Unity, running it and Unity is your prestige project isn't it ?
[11:33] <popey> we have a lot of things to work on, and have to carefully balance resources in order to meet our various priorities and projects
[11:33] <popey> compiz isn't the only thing we're working on.
[11:34] <MCR1> popey: The problem seems to be that you are moving too fast forward without having the resources needed (sorry for the criticism)...
[11:47] <MCR1> popey: If you are bored ;) - https://code.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz/0.9.9/+activereviews
[11:49] <popey> sorry MCR1 I'm not qualified to review those.
[11:49] <MCR1> popey: ok, no problem ;) Thx 4 the talk ;)
[11:49] <popey> np
[14:10] <conscioususer> bilal: ping
[14:28] <conscioususer> charles: ping
[14:54] <popey> conscioususer, most people are probably travelling back or recovering from uds
[14:54] <conscioususer> popey: I guessed so... wouldn't hurt to try though :)
[14:55] <popey> anything I can help with?
[14:55] <popey> unlikely I know..
[14:56] <conscioususer> again, wouldn't hurt to try :)
[14:56] <conscioususer> hold on, brb
[15:02] <conscioususer> popey: still there?
[15:02] <conscioususer> popey: it's a technical question, I was wondering why the menubar mnemonics are not working in my app
[15:05] <popey> conscioususer, the menu accelerator keys?
[15:06] <conscioususer> yeah, pressing alt is not working
[15:06] <popey> alt+key?
[15:07] <conscioususer> does nothing
[15:08] <conscioususer> I switched to the new GMenuModel-based framework for menubars, I suspect Unity has an incomplete implementation of it.
[15:08] <popey> sorry, I don't know :(
[15:09] <conscioususer> I should probably talk to someone who has been specifically working on the Unity appmenu, like Ryan or Ted
[15:09] <conscioususer> larsu: You around? I needed to ask something 'bout the MM.
[15:11] <larsu> conscioususer, yep, what's up?
[15:14] <conscioususer> hi :)
[15:14] <conscioususer> is there a way to detect if the running MM is the old one or the new one?
[15:14] <conscioususer> I need that for backward compatibility... need to know whether I should use libindicate or libmessagingmenu
[15:37] <larsu> conscioususer, sorry, I'm having problems with my wifi
[15:37]  * larsu hopes it's working now
[15:37] <larsu> what was your question?
[15:37] <conscioususer> larsu: hold on, lemme copy and paste
[15:37] <conscioususer> larsu: is there a way to detect if the running MM is the old one or the new one?
[15:37] <conscioususer> larsu: I need that for backward compatibility... need to know whether I should use libindicate or libmessagingmenu
[15:40] <larsu> conscioususer, hm, interesting
[15:40] <larsu> there's no official way of doing that, no
[15:40] <larsu> conscioususer, you could try loading MessagingMenu and if that fails use libindicate
[15:41] <larsu> (this is python, right?)
[15:41] <conscioususer> larsu: yeah, python. This is basically what I'm doing now
[15:42] <larsu> conscioususer, does it work?
[15:43] <conscioususer> apparently it does, though I'll have problems if a 12.04 user has libmessagingmenu installed... corner case, I admit
[15:43] <larsu> very much so, it's not packaged for 12.04
[15:44]  * larsu thinks messaging_menu_app_register should return a boolean
[15:45] <conscioususer> larsu: well, sounds good enough for now, thanks
[15:45] <larsu> conscioususer, sorry, don't have a better way right now. changing the return value will break ABI
[15:51] <conscioususer> larsu: no prob, it would be cool having the boolean but in python the currenty seems to be enough
[17:19] <Deluxo> Hello everyone
[17:20] <Deluxo> Id like to tell that turing off VBlank, Framebuffer object, Vertex Buffer Object in CCSM>OpenGL
[17:20] <Deluxo> causes unity to increase its reaction dramatically
[17:21] <Deluxo> since this not a bug, i do not want to post it to launchpad as a bug
[17:21] <Deluxo> was my message gotten clearly?
[17:33] <AlanBell> !weekend
[17:35] <AlanBell> Deluxo: those things will speed up unity on some graphics cards, and slow it down on others
[17:36] <AlanBell> particularly for newer cards those things should speed it up and use less resources
[17:36] <AlanBell> but it is great that you have improved the performance on your kit :)
[17:39] <Deluxo> is there anyway to autmate the settings on the first log in when ubuntu installed? This seems like something that should be addressed...
[17:41] <AlanBell> dunno, that might be worth filing a bug about
[17:41] <AlanBell> would be cool if it did some self performance profiling to select good settings automatically
[17:41] <Deluxo> i did, at https://launchpad.net/utah
[17:43] <Deluxo> anyway im glad i figured out stuff for myself, wish i could be any help, but my programming skills are just a disgrace :D
[17:43] <Deluxo> farewell!
[22:43] <PotentChili> how do i make my site work as a web app like pandora, gmail, etc?


[10:18] <PaulW2U> all summaries now completed
[16:21] <pleia2> we include how-tos when they're demonstrating a new thing, like "new feature in this software, here's how to use it!)
[16:22] <pleia2> importing ssh keys, not new :)
[16:43] <pleia2> jose: thanks doc all done?


[02:36] <binarymutant> Walking Dead :D
[02:37] <Unit193> That's not normally a good thing...
[03:10] <binarymutant> in this instance it was :D :D :D
[03:10] <Unit193> Great, someone telling another to add oneiric sources in Natty...
[03:11] <binarymutant> what's wrong with that?
[03:11] <binarymutant> ...that's what I do...
[03:12] <binarymutant> If I understand right :/
[03:12] <Unit193> Broken depends I would think
[03:12] <binarymutant> you talking about sources.list ?
[03:12] <binarymutant> changing natty to oneiric ?
[03:13] <binarymutant> or downloading an oneiric deb?
[03:14] <binarymutant> <- confuses easily
[03:14] <chris4585> hes talking about sources.list
[03:14] <binarymutant> that's fine to do
[03:15] <chris4585> isn't that basically what the installer does?
[03:15] <binarymutant> that's how we did it back in the dizay :D
[03:15] <Unit193> Adding just one repo? Not from what i know
[03:15] <chris4585> I mean updater whatever
[03:15] <chris4585> oh one repo might work, who knows unless you try right?
[03:15] <Unit193> Keeping them all as normal, except adding oneiric universe
[03:15] <binarymutant> depends on what they depend on
[03:15] <chris4585> but why just change the one.. ?
[03:16] <chris4585> makes no sense to me
[03:16] <binarymutant> depends on what the package depends on, but ya makes 0 sense
[03:16] <Unit193> Get a newer program :P
[03:16] <chris4585> you could just add a ppa for that lol
[03:16] <chris4585> well depends, but yeah..
[03:17] <binarymutant> was this "advice" from #ubuntu?
[03:18] <Unit193> #lubuntu, he's having him remove the ppa after upgrading the program
[03:19] <binarymutant> out of control in lubuntu
[03:20] <Unit193> Eh, it barely passes
[03:20] <binarymutant> "I need help"->"rm -rf /";"How do I use this?"->"rtfm"
[03:21] <binarymutant> out of control
[03:31] <Unit193> Why do I let myself get sucked into support?
[03:42] <vychune> hey hey now
[03:43] <Unit193> Howja
[03:46] <vychune> hey dude whats going on
[03:47] <Unit193> Setup a handy script and helped the person that linked to it get it setup (He had been having issues)
[03:49] <vychune> cool
[03:49] <vychune> i learned the spongebob dance lol
[03:50] <vychune> so i was very unpreductive today
[03:50] <binarymutant> rofl
[03:50] <vychune> o/ binarymutant

[03:52] <binarymutant> [VVV]
[03:53] <binarymutant> ......
[03:55] <vychune> huh?

[03:59] <chris4585> so a friend on another network said my caps could be my problem http://i.imgur.com/vaQLa.jpg
[04:01] <binarymutant> vychune: me too :D
[04:01] <binarymutant> chris4585: caps?
[04:02] <vychune> maybe the chip with the white stuff on it is too. you would think
[04:02] <chris4585> the brown tower looking like things
[04:03] <vychune> aare they swolen?
[04:03] <binarymutant> I want to say capacitors... but I might be wrong
[04:03] <binarymutant> "are the swolen" rofl, your on fire tonight
[04:03] <vychune> oh i got another one
[04:03] <binarymutant> caps = capacitors okay i get it
[04:03] <vychune> girl giving a b**wjob just went viral
[04:04] <vychune> on facebook
[04:04] <vychune> smh
[04:04] <vychune> AT HIGH SCHOOL
[04:05] <binarymutant> not as funny :P
[04:05] <vychune> not funny at all
[04:05] <vychune> she needs prayer
[04:06] <vychune> lol(coludnt help it)
[04:06] <binarymutant> chris4585: I thought the problem was with the display?
[04:06] <binarymutant> videocard
[04:07] <chris4585> binarymutant, nah that problem went away, that problem popped up and made the real problem hard to diagnose..
[04:07] <chris4585> the problem is the computer shutting down when it wants
[04:08] <binarymutant> most computers shutdown when they get overheated... and you lack a heat thingy
[04:09] <vychune> binarymutant:  heatsync?
[04:09] <chris4585> binarymutant, right now its coming in the mail
[04:09] <binarymutant> ya
[04:09] <binarymutant> heatsink
[04:09] <binarymutant> vychune: ty
[04:09] <chris4585> I think you missed half of my problem the other day
[04:09] <binarymutant> chris4585: probably :/
[04:11] <binarymutant> check your fans too, I had an over heating laptop shutdown on me a bunch
[04:21] <chris4585> I don't think those are so much the problem as much as the mobo now
[04:27] <binarymutant> that sucks, very $$$
[04:28] <vychune> what?
[04:29] <binarymutant> expensive
[04:29] <binarymutant> $$$ = 100++
[04:35] <vychune> binarymutant: oh ok
[04:36] <vychune> modem restarted lol
[04:49] <vychune> omg theyre saying the girl that had her vid to go viral commited suicide
[04:58] <vychune> binarymutant must not be home
[04:58] <vychune> oh well
[04:59] <vychune>  o/
[05:06] <Juzzy> ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠
[08:32] <chris4585> binarymutant, this wiki should explain what I was trying to explain earlier http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
[14:14] <wrst> cyberanger: ????
[14:17] <cyberanger> wrst: yep
[14:17] <wrst> whew, you ok cyberanger?
[14:17] <cyberanger> wrst: something's up with the ec2 instance I was using, trying to see if amazon took it back or worse
[14:18] <wrst> oh no cyberanger :(
[14:18] <cyberanger> server ssh key changed, so not a lockup or shutdown
[14:19] <wrst> oh ok that sounds solvable :)
[14:19] <cyberanger> wrst: it sounds like amazon reissuing my ip address with no notification
[14:20] <wrst> well that's not cool, an email would have been nice!
[14:20] <cyberanger> or somebody got into my box (not via ssh I doubt, ssh key only, maybe an apache exploit)
[14:20] <cyberanger> so yeah, looking for an answer now
[14:22] <cyberanger> wrst: can you tell me, somewere between 5 pm & 12am your timezone, I quit or timed out (I connected last night after that to see is it was still connected to irc
[14:22] <cyberanger> it wasn't)
[14:22] <cyberanger> can you tell me the time that was, and the part/quit message
[14:23] <wrst> yes hang on
[14:23] <wrst> [16:17:47] <-- cyberanger (~infocop41@swissknife/adak/infocop411) has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4)
[14:23] <wrst> that's all i got cyberanger
[14:23] <wrst> from yesterday
[14:25] <cyberanger> that's 16:17 (4:17) your timezone, on the 16th?
[14:25] <wrst> yes sir
[14:25] <wrst> maybe off a minute or two my server forgets to update the clock sometime
[14:25] <wrst> no looks like its updating
[14:25] <cyberanger> that's weird, I was connected to the server up till 6pm here, 5pm there
[14:26] <cyberanger> at least I think I was, and a quit message too, hrm
[14:28] <wrst> yes that's a little weird
[14:29] <cyberanger> 16:17 would be plausable, if I issued a quit vs a part request
[14:29] <cyberanger> prior to logging off
[14:30] <wrst> cyberanger: are you you back in or still fighting to get in?
[14:30] <cyberanger> and then after logoff
[14:31] <cyberanger> not in, verifying what's going on
[14:31] <wrst> ahh gotcha
[14:31] <cyberanger> if it was an attack, I don't want to be back in, I want to freeze the thing, audit what they got at, and catch the bugger
[14:32] <wrst> gotcha
[14:32] <cyberanger> perhaps I'd like to "accidently discharge" my weapon too, depends on the bugger
[14:33] <wrst> ha ha
[14:34] <wrst> hope you get it figured out cyberanger
[14:35] <cyberanger> I will
[14:35] <cyberanger> just to what extent
[14:35] <wrst> no doubt :)
[14:36] <cyberanger> to what extent idk
[14:37] <wrst> so you think someone got in?
[14:37] <cyberanger> I do think this could play a role in my decision for next month
[14:37] <cyberanger> linode or ec2
[14:41] <wrst> cyberanger: i have to say if you can afford it linode looks like a more solid option from what reasearch I have done
[14:46] <cyberanger> same, not to metion, what I compared with, as much as I tweaked the ec2 witht the aim of lowering costs, it didn't move too muc
[14:46] <cyberanger> much*
[14:47] <cyberanger> if I used it like a linode, it would have shot outside my budget even quicker
[14:48] <cyberanger> (keep in mind, I was free under some limited usage amounts, so this was mere estmation)
[14:49] <cyberanger> (and that was free for a year, so I was looking at this for the new year, but recently just deciding more power now)
[14:51] <cyberanger> says my instance initated the shutdown, I can see three reasons for that (the odd part was trying to login, it does look like my ip was reissued to another box by all this)
[14:54] <cyberanger> oh, duh, I don't have an "elastic ip" on that
[14:59] <cyberanger> wrst: don't have an "elastic ip" that explains that bit (forgot about that)
[15:00] <cyberanger> hrm, either the update script saw a restart required bit, I issued a shutdown on the server vs the netbook (in a hurry, happens, rare but knowing my luck ...
[15:01] <cyberanger> final option, doesn't fit the logs, a crash
[15:01] <cyberanger> nothing to suggest attack, once that ip swap is explained
[15:01] <wrst> well no attack is a good thing
[15:06] <cyberanger> initialized by my user, update script was running, near a time I logged in (no logs on signing out, oversight on my part)
[15:06] <cyberanger> all access times line up as expected
[15:06] <cyberanger> nothing to suggest it was more than that
[15:07]  * cyberanger looks at update script
[15:07] <cyberanger> wrst: desktop & laptop version I wrote got put on the server, difference between is poweroff vs reboot
[15:08] <wrst> ahh well good to know no funny business
[15:08] <cyberanger> yeah, new kernel modules installed, based on the dpkg logs, that'd be a reboot qualifier
[15:09]  * cyberanger tweaks it back to the server level I had in mind
[15:10] <cyberanger1> whoops, wrong client quit
[15:10] <cyberanger1> sucees
[15:14] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger congrats
[15:15]  * cyberanger looks at his spelling there, not quite "sucess" but it'll be success in the end
[15:17] <wrst> we knew what you meant :)
[15:21] <cyberanger> intresting here, immoral penguin theif caught on camera www.bbc.co.uk/nature/15305502
[15:46] <wrst> well cyberanger you know people that use stuff with penguin logos are all about stealing
[15:52] <cyberanger> wrst: lol, good one (there are exceptions to the rule, thankfully)
[15:53] <wrst> yes
[16:00] <cyberanger> ah, nothing better than shooting your best friend in CoD Black Ops to the song "Meant to Live" by Switchfoot
[16:04] <cyberanger> dunno if it fits the definition of irony, but it sure fits the definition of fun
[16:04]  * cyberanger sees he's iriting the other person by taking headshots one handed while typing this
[16:06] <wrst> ha ha
[16:11]  * cyberanger wishes he could say it's dumb luck, but there's nothing dumb about it
[16:13] <cyberanger> he got some payback for that one, there is something to be said for rate of fire + unlimited supply of ammo
[16:13] <cyberanger> but that was the first round
[16:14] <cyberanger> wrst: you play?
[16:14] <wrst> no would like to but don't have time
[16:15] <cyberanger> wrst: normally my answer too
[17:42] <johnhaitas> hey fellas
[17:42] <Unit193> Howdy johnhaitas
[17:42] <Unit193> pace_t_zulu: You too ;)
[17:43] <johnhaitas> is pace_t_zulu around?
[17:43] <johnhaitas> i haven't seen that guy since quarter till eleven
[17:43] <johnhaitas> bum...
[17:44] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: he's always with us, if one is perceptive enough to notice
[17:44] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: perhaps this is a case of being unable to see the forrest from the trees?
[17:44] <johnhaitas> being a tree?
[17:45] <cyberanger> depends, are you a tree pace_t_zulu
[17:47] <cyberanger> or are you a tree johnhaitas
[17:47] <johnhaitas> i want to say i am not a tree
[17:51] <Juzzy> johnhaitas: read pm
[17:52] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: then there is no forrest
[17:53] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: so you are not a tree either?
[17:56] <cyberanger> no, however I reserve the right to hug them
[18:46] <Unit193> Know how I remember names? echo $name > /dev/null
[18:48] <cyberanger> Unit193: so, uh you don't
[18:48] <Unit193> ^^
[18:48] <cyberanger> seems I do something slightly more embarrassing echo $name > /dev/random
[18:48] <Unit193> I can remember what johnhaitas real name is, and almost half the time can get yours
[18:49] <cyberanger> then mix up 68hkdjsalkj for 89890anjkkar
[18:49] <cyberanger> even if the name was fred
[18:49] <Unit193> I normally just plain can't remember, nothing to mix that up with :P
[18:58]  * cyberanger hands Unit193 four juggling balls to help with that issue
[20:44] <vychune> hello Ubuntu Tennesseean's!
[20:46] <wrst> hey vychune you doing ok?
[20:46] <wrst> ubotuTN: hello
[20:46] <ubotuTN> hey wrst :)
[20:47] <wrst> ubotuTN: help
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[20:47] <vychune> yes and no
[20:47] <wrst> vychune:  :\
[20:47] <vychune> friend just had a stillbirth
[20:47] <wrst> oh goodness vychune that's horrible
[20:51] <vychune> yeah
[20:51] <vychune> idk how shes taking it
[20:56] <wrst> vychune: i can't imagine, my wife had a baby 7 months ago and I absolutely can't even imagine
[20:56] <vychune> man
[20:56] <vychune> congrats
[20:57] <vychune> i wish i had her number
[21:05] <wrst> yeah man that woudl be terrible
[22:05] <vychune> ok maybe ill stay connected this time
[22:07] <Juzzy> JD bbq is this weekend wooowooo
[22:32] <johnhaitas> Juzzy: ping ... pm
[22:35] <Unit193> Wish me all the luck you can, Natty > Oneiric...
[22:36] <Unit193> Why do I get the feeling I just did something really wrong?
[22:37] <binarymutant> nah it's good stuff
[22:37] <Unit193> One thing I noticed coming in, nautilus-data. I'm updating Lubuntu
[22:38] <binarymutant> womp womp
[22:38] <binarymutant> just remove it?
[22:38] <Unit193> I will, if this goes well...
[22:46] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: you part of the womp crew?
[22:48] <binarymutant> more like an audience member in Showtime at the Apollo