[00:27] <maxb> EagleScreen: Yes, 0.13 is newer than 0.4
[00:28] <maxb> EagleScreen: When you build a package, it builds in a minimal environment - you have to declare Build-Depends in the control file to get anything beyond that limited subset
[00:32] <EagleScreen> i will review Build-Depends
[00:33] <psycose> hi, using the LP PPA, the following Makefile command @echo -e $(GPR_PROD) >> gnatgpr.prod  executed via the debian/rules script displays "-e" in the file instead of undestanding the echo -e option !! when i build the package on my system i don't have this behaviour any tips ? thanks
[00:39] <RAOF> psycose: -e isn't POSIX shell; the PPA build environment has /bin/sh set to dash, which doesn't implement -e
[00:40] <psycose> RAOF: ok thanks fr the answer, i'm building again without it ... thanks
[00:40] <RAOF> You could call /usr/bin/printf, or somesuch, if you really need to use the escape characters.
[00:47] <EagleScreen> this is the debian/control file http://pastebin.ca/1326730
[00:49] <EagleScreen> i am only rebuilding a .deb the package to can install it in Ubuntu from ppa, it is a pacakage from Guadalinex v5, based on Ubuntu Hardy.
[00:58] <rdancer> which key server can i use to upload the PGP keys? keyserver.ubuntu.com gives an error
[01:46] <EagleScreen> is it possible to upload packages for Debian sid/unstable to a ppa?
[02:15] <vadi2> Is there a page that explains what PPAs are?
[02:15] <vadi2> Only found one that explains how to get started with one... hoping to have a resource to point to for users who haven't heard of them
[02:19] <EagleScreen> shouldn't ppa build system satisfy build-deps that are in Ubuntu repository automatically?
[02:35] <jamesh> EagleScreen: if your package lists the dependencies it should, yes.
[02:37] <EagleScreen> i have a package that fails and it has build-deps in debian/control
[02:38] <jamesh> what is the build URL?
[02:40] <EagleScreen> are you meaning the log?
[02:40] <EagleScreen> this is my ppa https://launchpad.net/~eaglescreen/+archive/ppa
[02:41] <EagleScreen> as you can see mount-systray - 0.4-1guada2ubuntu1~ppa1  failed to build
[02:41] <jamesh> was thinking of a page like https://launchpad.net/~eaglescreen/+archive/ppa/+build/857280
[02:43] <jamesh> the error in the log file says it couldn't find gnome-doc-utils
[02:44] <jamesh> does your package build depend on it?
[02:45] <EagleScreen> let me see
[02:47] <EagleScreen> jamesh look http://pastebin.ca/1326791
[02:47] <mrooney> Is there a good way to figure out which of my PPAs are failing to find public keys?
[02:48] <mrooney> For example if I have 10 and apt-get gives 4 errors (then suggests running apt-get to fix it :), I don't know which 4 those are
[02:48] <jamesh> EagleScreen: you don't have gnome-doc-utils in Build-Depends, and that is the error in your log file, so I'd try adding it.
[02:48] <EagleScreen> that package is not listed in build-deps, but that package is build in another distribution with this control file
[02:49] <EagleScreen> i am only porting it to Ubuntu from an distirbution based on Ubuntu hardy
[02:49] <EagleScreen> i havent done any change in the control file
[02:49] <jamesh> EagleScreen: perhaps gnome-doc-utils is a dependency of one of those other packages on Debian
[02:51] <EagleScreen> then now on intrepid one of these build-deps depends on gnome-doc-utils inst it?
[02:51] <jamesh> EagleScreen: Intrepid is based on a Debian unstable snapshot from more than six months ago, so it isn't too surprising if you find some changes.
[02:52] <EagleScreen> i used to think that dependences of dependences was resolved
[02:52] <EagleScreen> now i see that not for build-depends
[02:52] <jamesh> explicitly build-depending on gnome-doc-utils should solve your immediate problem.
[02:53] <EagleScreen> i will include it, thanks
[02:55] <jamesh> mrooney: are you talking about warnings from apt about unknown repo signing keys?
[02:57] <EagleScreen> i have the same problem of signing keys with my ppa
[02:57] <EagleScreen> and also with the ppa of packagekit team
[02:57] <mrooney> jamesh: yeah
[02:58] <mrooney> jamesh: I understand why (new signed PPAs) but I don't understand how I am easily supposed to figure out which ones and then easily get them
[02:58] <jamesh> mrooney: the launchpad page for the PPA should tell you.
[02:59] <jamesh> so for example, if you have http://ppa.launchpad.net/bzr/ubuntu in your sources.list, look at https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive
[02:59] <mrooney> jamesh: yeah, my question was "easily" :)
[02:59] <jamesh> you can see which keys you've installed with "sudo apt-key list"
[02:59] <mrooney> I have to translate that for 10 PPAs and manually review it
[03:01] <mrooney> do you know if there are any plans to make this process easier in the future? I am not worried about myself so much but this is already confusing tons of people online, and I worry it will hurt the number of people able to use my PPA
[03:01] <jamesh> mrooney: you could just import all the keys corresponding to "NO_PUBKEY" errors from "aptitude update"
[03:01] <jamesh> if you trust your network connection
[03:01] <mrooney> hmm
[03:02] <mrooney> ubuntu needs apt-ppa:// links or something :)
[03:03] <mrooney> Anyway it just feels like the number of steps to use a PPA doubled
[03:04] <EagleScreen> jamesh look http://pastebin.ca/1326812
[03:08] <jamesh> EagleScreen: looks like those warning lines have been truncated
[03:08] <jamesh> EagleScreen: they should continue to tell you which public key is missing
[03:09] <EagleScreen> NO_PUBKEY 9BFC84D3205358CF and NO_PUBKEY 01E3FE37B30386B1
[03:09] <jamesh> so load those keys into apt's keyring?
[03:11] <EagleScreen> it can be done with software-properties?
[03:12] <jamesh> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories has instructions (and is linked from each PPA page)
[04:56] <kriyas1> how to checkout in bzr
[04:57] <spiv> bzr checkout URL
[04:57] <RAOF> kriyas1: This depends; generally you want to do something like "bzr branch <something>", where something is either a url, an existing local branch (directory), or some other spec, like "lp:do-plugins"
[04:58] <RAOF> If you know the difference between checkout and branch, and know you want checkout, then spiv's answer is more correct ;)
[05:00] <spiv> kriyas1: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/ might help you
[05:35] <error404notfound> hi!
[05:35] <error404notfound> can someone tell me how can I create a private bzr team branch?
[05:35] <spiv> jml: ^
[05:36] <jml> error404notfound: you need to chat with bac, who can sort you out.
[05:36] <jml> error404notfound: at this time of day, it's best to email him.
[05:37] <error404notfound> any idea around what time he comes online?
[05:37] <thumper> US eastern time
[05:37] <error404notfound> yes, but what time, 10am? 3pm? :P
[05:38] <thumper> error404notfound: day time
[05:39] <error404notfound> hmm, okay, lemme do some calculation, in a mean while can someone pm me him email adress? coz I can't find it in his /whois
[05:39] <thumper> https://launchpad.net/~bac (at a guess)
[05:40] <error404notfound> aahhhh, its still 10 hours for him to wake up, I guess I'll email him. Thanks guys..
[06:02] <error404notfound> https://staging.launchpad.net/ is getting a cleanup or its down?
[06:07] <jml> spm: ^^
[09:39] <maxb> Some recent hppa builds have failed to upload with a "Duplicated ancestry" assertion failure. What does that mean?
[10:03] <IntuitiveNipple> Is there any way to upload apport bug reports using HTTP (not HTTPS) so as to analyse a problem during the upload that causes it to fail?
[10:34] <NCommander> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~michael-owens/phoronix-test-suite/motu/files - anyone know why I can't access this?
[10:49] <TeTeT> when using launchpadlib, how do I use edge instead of staging?
[10:51] <TeTeT> hmm, it's in the doc, silly me
[10:51] <TeTeT> STAGING_SERVICE_ROOT with EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT
[10:55] <jpds> NCommander: Hmm, I can.
[12:36] <kiko-afk> NCommander, what happens when you load it?
[13:56] <snikker> i've a problem with wron package signature (gpg) in ppa, can you help me?
[13:57] <snikker> *wrong
[13:58] <AlexC_> snikker, you're best off actually asking your question
[14:02] <snikker> AlexC_:  i'm tring to install digikam package from ppa, i've add the gpg key to my keyring, but the package manager say thet it's ot authenticated....
[14:02] <snikker> *it's not authenticated
[14:03] <AlexC_> snikker, I can't help unfortunately, was just helping to get better help =)
[14:03] <snikker> AlexC_:  oh, ok... i hope that someone can help me :)
[14:09] <maxb> AlexC_: You need to re-run 'apt-get update' after adding a key, I think
[14:09] <maxb> oops
[14:09] <maxb> snikker: ^
[14:09] <AlexC_> =)
[14:15] <snikker> maxb: i'e update the list with the refresh button in synaptic... it should be the same thing...
[14:17] <error404notfound> bac: there?
[14:17] <bac> error404notfound: hi
[14:17] <error404notfound> bac: hi! how are you?
[14:18] <bac> error404notfound: fine thanks.
[14:19] <error404notfound> bac: in the morning, infact mid-night according to your time, I ask here that is it possible to create a private team branch, and people told me to contact you, I emailed you from launchpadm wondering if you have something new for me...
[14:19] <bac> error404notfound: i was just replying to your email, in fact
[14:19] <error404notfound> bac: hmmm, guess I willw ait for the reply :D
[14:19] <error404notfound> bac: thanks..
[14:22] <bac> snikker: are you still having trouble?
[14:23] <bac> snikker: adding the key to *your* keyring is not enough.  you have to use 'apt-key' to add it to the keyring apt uses
[14:23] <snikker> bac: yes i've do it...
[14:24] <snikker> bac: i've used this command:   gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys BF860D3661FBBBA575BE617F0BF0F083E353B3E9 && gpg --export -a BF860D3661FBBBA575BE617F0BF0F083E353B3E9 | sudo apt-key add -
[14:24] <bac> snikker: that looks right, assuming the key is the correct one.  if you do 'sudo apt-key list' do you see it?
[14:26] <snikker> bak: the key is taken from ppa digikam page....  after "sudo apt-key list", i can see the digikam key
[14:26] <snikker> bac: ^
[14:28] <bac> snikker: if the key is properly added to apt-key, you
[14:28] <bac> and you've run 'sudo apt-get update', then it *should* work.
[14:29] <snikker> bac: i've tried also with 'sudo apt-get update', but with no result
[14:29] <snikker> bac: i don't understand why it doesn't work...
[14:30] <bac> cprov: perhaps you can help snikker?
[14:31] <cprov> snikker: which ubuntu series are you using ?
[14:31] <snikker> cprov: 8.10 (intrepid)
[14:35] <cprov> snikker: digikam PPA hasn't changed since we generated signing-keys, so their repo is not signed.
[14:35] <snikker> cprov: oh, i understand... thank you
[14:36] <kiko> cprov, oh? we only sign repos that have changed?
[14:36] <kiko> oh, I see
[14:36] <kiko> the keys are generated but we didn't republish?
[14:36] <cprov> kiko: yes
[14:36] <kiko> cprov, can we republish or too much work?
[14:37] <cprov> kiko: not too much work on our side, but it would trigger updates on all users
[14:38] <snikker> cprov: but here http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xBF860D3661FBBBA575BE617F0BF0F083E353B3E9&op=index  say that the key was publushed the same day of the pakage, i'm wrong?
[14:40] <cprov> snikker: publication happens around 20:00 UTC that day
[14:42] <snikker> cprov: and the key was generated before...
[14:44] <cprov> snikker: let me trigger the PPA updates, so we can check if the key is really working
[14:44] <snikker> cprov: ok, thanks
[14:48] <cprov> snikker: how to you see the exact timestamp for key generation
[14:49] <snikker> cprov: i can't see the exact timespamp, only the date
[14:51] <cprov> snikker: yeah, me too, annoying.
[14:52] <cprov> snikker: the PPA will be republished in 8 minutes.
[14:54] <bac> cprov: thanks for your help.  i learned a lot...
[14:54] <snikker> cprov: great, thank you! :)
[14:54] <cprov> snikker: np, you're welcome. Let's see if it will work
[14:54] <snikker> cprov: ok
[15:08] <sinzui> me
[15:11] <snikker> cprov: now it work! thank again :)
[15:38] <pkt> mrevell: ping
[15:38] <mrevell> hi pkt
[15:38] <pkt> hi
[15:38] <pkt> I just received a mail from you about my ppa size
[15:39] <pkt> I 'd like to ask: how do I know the total size?
[15:39] <pkt> (without expanding every package separately and adding the sizes manually if possible :-)
[15:40] <RainCT> Hi
[15:40] <RainCT> How can I delete a team?
[15:41] <mrevell> pkt it should say it on the PPA overview page
[15:41] <mrevell> RainCT: You need to make a request at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[15:41] <RainCT> mrevell: urg :P. Thanks
[15:42] <mrevell> np
[15:42] <pkt> mrevell: it says: "Package counters and estimated archive size temporarily unavailable"
[15:42] <mrevell> pkt: Let me ask cprov about that ^^^^^^
[15:43] <pkt> Btw, my ppa is a "semi-service" to the community to be honest
[15:44] <pkt> Many of the packages there cannot be found anywhere else (to my knowledge), like eclipse, mysql-workbench and gdb-python
[15:44] <pkt> But I cannot make any guarantees that everything will be working at all times
[15:48] <mrevell> pkt: Cool, sounds great. You're not at the limit right now. AFAICS you're at 962 MB, so you're close. Do you plan to add more soon?
[15:49] <pkt> Not sure yet
[15:49] <pkt> But it is quite possible
[15:50] <pkt> I might add some kernel/virtualization stuff
[15:51] <pkt> and/or some eclipse plugins or eclipse dependencies when I find some time
[15:56] <pkt> mrevell: I deleted the superseeded version of mysql-workbench (about 200M total) so that should solve the problem for now
[15:56] <mrevell> pkt:  Cool :)
[15:57] <rzr_> pkt: let me thank you in person for eclipse-3.4 : I credited you on http://www.newlc.com/en/deb-packages-android-sdk-bleeding-edge-cupcake-images
[15:57] <rzr_> mrevell: thx for notifying me , I am doing some effort in cleaning obsolete stuff
[15:58] <pkt> rzr_: you are most welcome :-)
[15:58] <rzr_> pkt: btw about ppa's size it's writen in upload mail alert IICR
[15:59] <rzr_> mrevell: PPA is in thanks part too on the same url :)
[15:59] <pkt> It was indeed written in a rejection mail I got a while ago, but not in the mail I got a while ago
[15:59] <pkt> oops
[16:00] <pkt> 'but not in the mail I got a few minutes ago'
[16:00] <pkt> anyway, have to leave now (busy afternoon). Nice talking to you guys :-)
[16:01] <rzr_> pkt: while you're here
[16:01] <rzr_> would you like to set up a eclipse team ?
[16:01] <rzr_> I have some subclipse plugin to giveaway
[16:01] <rzr_> the eclipse team already exists i think
[16:02] <pkt> yes, it already exists
[16:02] <pkt> I think it is open too
[16:03] <pkt> If I remember correctly it was started by nathan (aka rockwalrus)
[16:03] <pkt> There is another team as well (eclipsers?) but it seemingly never actually produced anything
[16:03] <rzr_> there is one guy who package some plugins too
[16:04] <pkt> yes, I saw his comment in the bug
[16:04] <rzr_> what do you think about merging it all in a ppa ?
[16:04] <pkt> for now, the biggest problem for eclipse is to get the dependencies in
[16:04] <rzr_> yea i know
[16:04] <pkt> that wouldn't be such a bad idea :-)
[16:05] <pkt> I 've been just too busy to bother
[16:05] <pkt> anyway, anybody can copy packages between the ppas I think
[16:06] <rzr_> we'll talk about this later elsewhere ok :)
[16:06] <pkt> cool, bye for now :-)
[16:06] <rzr_> bye
[16:07] <rzr_> mrevell: keep his ppa it worths it :)
[16:07] <mrevell> We're not removing PPAs :) I'm just checking to see if people need more space
[16:08] <maxb> ooi, what became of primero?
[16:09] <rzr_> mrevell: well any more space would be welcomen but i can understand everything is limited
[16:09] <mrevell> rzr_: I'm happy to increase people's limits if they're making good community use of it :)
[16:10] <rzr_> well it's not up to us to decide if we're doing good or evil :)
[16:10] <rzr_> BTW, you should have stats of downloaded packages ?
[16:45] <sidelil> excuse me is stagin.launchpad down at the moment?
[16:45] <Goundy> sidelil no it's working for me
[16:47] <sidelil> Goundy, oh, I cannot connect now. I could 1 hour ago. :( I hope i did not do anything wrong, im trying to learn how to use it
[16:48] <Goundy> sidelil you can't crash launchpad dude you're not the only person who's using it
[16:48] <mrevell> sidelil: It's offline at the moment. Should be back shortly.
[16:48] <sidelil> mrevell, ok thanks.
[16:49] <Goundy> mrevell huh? what's offline? it works here
[16:49] <mrevell> Goundy: https://staging.launchpad.net/
[16:50] <Goundy> mrevell https://launchpad.net/~auresdev ... it works
[16:50] <Goundy> weird
[16:50] <mrevell> Goundy: Yeah, that's not on staging :) Our staging server is temporarily offline.
[16:50] <Goundy> staging... oh... I ignored that word in his question I thought he made a mistake >_<
[16:50] <Goundy> sorry !
[16:52] <sidelil> excuse me, what can NOT be done in a project register on staging.launchpad that could be possible on a proper launchpad project? Basically, has it got restricted functionalities or is exactly the same? Does the staging project get deleted ater a while?
[16:53] <Goundy> whats the difference between staging.lp.net and lp.net ? I don't really get it
[16:53] <sidelil> Basically, can I just use normally staging for a few days, while i get used to launchpad?
[16:53] <sidelil> yes
[16:54] <sidelil> Goundy, im just asking whats the difference, eg if i would not be able to do some particular things on staging that i could do on normal lp
[16:54] <Goundy> sidelil well I asked about the difference I have no idea on what staging.lp is
[16:54] <Goundy> ^^
[16:55] <sidelil> Goundy, ah ok sorry! Staging is to try out lp as far as i know
[16:55] <Goundy> Ah..
[16:55] <Goundy> I started using lp directly it's not so hard imho
[16:55] <bac> sidelil: changes made on staging get wiped out once a day (as a rule)
[16:56] <Goundy> I got to go now
[16:56] <Goundy> see you
[16:56] <sidelil> see you
[16:56] <sidelil> bac, ok thanks that's exactly what i was looking for! Thanks!
[16:56] <bac> sidelil: any *real* work you want to do needs to be done on launchpad.net.  as mentioned earlier staging is for trying things out that won't be permanent.
[16:57] <sidelil> bac, yeah i got it! Thanks
[17:50] <maxb> Yay, hppa's back to two buildds :-)
[19:55] <lamalex> hey guys, has anyone had time to look at lp 270031
[20:08] <bac> lamalex: i'm checking to see if any progress has been made.
[20:08] <attilacyilmazlar> is there anyone here from Ubuntu Netbook Remix Team??
[20:09] <lamalex> bac: thank you
[20:09] <bac> lamalex: that bug has been marked invalid.  are you still seeing the problem?
[20:09] <lamalex> when was it marked invalid?
[20:09] <lamalex> on the bug, it's marked confirmed
[20:10] <lamalex> oh
[20:10] <lamalex> wtf
[20:10] <lamalex> it was confirmed 10 minutes ago
[20:10] <lamalex> who marked it invalid
[20:10] <bac> lamalex: 5 minutes ago, in response to my query
[20:10] <lamalex> heh
[20:10] <lamalex> the 64bit packages build fine elsewhere
[20:10] <bac> lamalex: read the final comment.  it seems to be a problem with mono, not the build environment
[20:10] <lamalex> including ubuntu main repos
[20:14] <lamalex> bac: our packager isn't around right now, I'm sure he'll have more to say about it than I do
[20:16] <bac> lamalex: great, i can only suggest you and he add more information to the existing bug
[20:16] <maxb> lamalex, bac: There is a different bug which identifies Xen as the cause
[20:17] <maxb> LP 237724
[20:17] <maxb> LP 237724
[20:21] <lamalex> maxb: ahha, thank you
[20:21] <lamalex> should LP 270031 be marked a dupe of LP 237724
[20:22]  * maxb was just trying to do that but Malone is being awkward
[20:22] <bac> thanks maxb
[20:23] <maxb> Apparently you can't mark a bug as a duplicate if it itself has duplicates :-/
[20:26]  * maxb has retargeted all the dupes at bug 237724 now
[20:31] <lamalex> maxb: yeah, I was going to file a bug on that duplicate thing
[20:32] <lamalex> it should automagically redirect the bugs
[23:14] <Demosthenes> can i have launchpad generate a release tar.gz from the tagged branch it already has? it seems redundant to create that locally and upload.
[23:20] <spiv> Demosthenes: not yet, but it would be nice if it could
[23:20] <spiv> Demosthenes: file a bug for it


[00:13] <gil> Hi - I am really hoping someone can help me here.... I've managed to lock myself out of my btrfs encrypted home partition - it simply won't mount anymore.... I am currently in knoppix trying to recover it, but cannot access it at all (due to the encryption) - it is mounted but just has a readme.txt file that I can't access.. can anyone tell me the steps I need to take to access my data on it?
[00:17] <bazhang> lost the encryption key/pass?
[00:18] <gil> not at all
[00:18] <gil> it's basically causing Ocelot to refuse to boot
[00:18] <bazhang> what are the mount errors
[00:18] <gil> so many messages but it definitely says "failed to mount /home" - problem is it's overwritten by a LOT of text
[00:18] <gil> so I am currently in knoppix just trying to access my drive
[00:18] <gil> and I don't know what to do, to be honest
[00:18] <gil> :(
[00:19] <gil> I know the password for it
[00:19] <bazhang> got backups, I hope
[00:19] <gil> well
[00:19] <gil> .....
[00:19] <bazhang> ?
[00:19] <gil> you know the answer here, if I had backups I wouldn't be desperate
[00:19] <gil> I didn't have a LOT of data on it though
[00:19] <bazhang> thats really bad
[00:19] <gil> the only thing I really want to get is my bitcoin wallet
[00:20] <gil> bazhang basically it happened so quickly - I had the system up for an hour, was just moving stuff over before I backed up the partition, system hung on shut down, hard power off, and then on boot it started trying to check drives and refused to mount /home
[00:20] <gil> so yeah, it's bad, but it's not like I wasn't going to back everything up to the server eventually :(
[00:21] <penguin42> gil: So you have knoppix mounting the root filesystem of the victim disk - are there any errors in /var/log of the victim disks root ?
[00:21] <bazhang> and got a separate boot which is also btrfs?
[00:22] <gil> penguin42 at the moment, I can't get into the disk because of the encryption - it basically has a @home directory and in that a readme.txt file that I cannot access
[00:22] <gil> bazhang I don't have a separate boot which is also btrfs, just this knoppix recovery
[00:22] <penguin42> gil: OK go back a step; explain the disk partitioning - is it a btrfs root with an encrypted home using ecryptfs or is it a luks encrypted btrfs ?
[00:23] <gil> penguin42 basically, I have 4 partitions. /boot - ext2.... / - reiserfs ..... /home - encrypted btrfs (whatever Ocelot's install tool did by default for encryption) and /swap
[00:23] <gil> I know that's weird, but I wanted to test an extreme scenario to see what happened
[00:23] <penguin42> gil: And it broke - <SHOCK>
[00:23] <gil> I know from being able to play in a recovery console that my other partitions are fine
[00:24] <penguin42> gil: OK, so look in that reiserfs / at the logs
[00:24] <gil> and I am hoping that my btrfs partition may be salvageable - I just have no clue what to do about decrypting it
[00:24] <gil> penguin42 okay looking now
[00:25] <gil> penguin42 http://pastebin.com/HLZW8gqm
[00:25] <penguin42> gil: So I don't use that much myself; but I think that Ubuntu uses ecryptfs to encrypt the stuff underneath for home directory - so you shouldb be able to mount the btrfs
[00:26] <penguin42> gil: The mount /home [974] killed by SEGV signal sounds like a bug - which log was that?
[00:26] <gil> boot.log
[00:27] <gil> I did actually just update the kernel today
[00:27] <gil> so... maybe I found a bug
[00:27] <gil> which is bad but also good
[00:27] <penguin42> anything juicy in kern.log or syslog?
[00:27] <gil> because the more I look at it, the more it seems that my drive may be okay
[00:27] <gil> looking now
[00:29] <gil> Jul  4 21:57:42 home kernel: [    6.136678] kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-3.0/fs/btrfs/inode.c:4584!
[00:29] <gil> Jul  4 21:57:42 home kernel: [    6.136695] invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] SMP
[00:29] <gil> Jul  4 21:57:42 home kernel: [    6.136713] CPU 1
[00:29] <gil> could that be it?
[00:29] <penguin42> yep - a kernel panic
[00:29] <penguin42> someone the other day had a btrfs related kernel oops
[00:30] <gil> okay so at least that explains why I can't boot :)
[00:31] <penguin42> gil: So I think to get you need something that you can boot from with a working btrfs and ecryptfs fs module; not sure if knoppix does; but once ou do that you mount the btrfs and then somehow do the ecryptfs stuff that I've never touched
[00:33] <gil> :)
[00:33] <gil> penguin42 I appreciate you taking a look at this - I am actually slightly less panicky than I was 20 minutes ago
[00:34] <penguin42> git: np
[00:34] <gil> penguin42 would an alpha 1 live image do the trick?
[00:35] <gil> I really want it to be as easy as booting into the live image, mounting /dev/sda5 and keying in my password
[00:35] <gil> somehow I know it won't be :(
[00:41] <penguin42> gil: Well that depends if the alpha1 already has that bug
[00:41] <gil> penguin42 I'm not sure if it does, as I used the alpha1 image to install in the first instance, and it has been fine until today
[00:42] <penguin42> gil: Now, just to make you panic a bit, the question is whether the bug is to do with mounting a btrfs or whether the bug is that something really nasty was written to it
[00:43] <gil> Well, I can certainly access the drive here in knoppix though
[00:43] <gil> I just can't get around the decryption
[00:43] <penguin42> you need to look up stuff about ecryptfs;  I don't know anything about it
[00:44] <gil> that makes two of us
[00:44]  * gil has learnt a valuable lesson this evening
[00:44] <penguin42> true; but I don't have an ecryptfs partition with valuable data on
[00:44] <gil> :) Storing valuable data on it wasn't the plan
[00:45] <gil> it just happened that way!
[02:26] <snadge> theres no realtime kernel anymore? even generic?
[02:35] <bazhang> snadge, for sound editing and the like?
[02:36] <bazhang> !find rt-kernel
[02:39] <snadge> yeah pretty much.. media is the reasoning behind it
[02:39] <snadge> i have built a htpc and was using natty on it.. now upgraded it to oneiric
[02:40] <snadge> which is great, because the hardware is amd zacate, quite new.. and it benefits from catalyst 10.6 (latest) and kernel > 2.6.38
[02:41] <snadge> i happen to be using xbmc on it.. but found some documenation for mythtv, which suggest ways of improving performance on linux
[02:54] <snadge> one of them is using a pre-emptible kernel.. which doesn't appear to exist anymore
[02:54] <snadge> i bet theres a few audio enthusiasts who are peeved about that
[02:57] <snadge> and what about ubuntu studio?
[02:57] <snadge> ubuntu studio without a pre-emptible kernel.. is as useless as tits on a bull ;)
[02:59] <BluesKaj> snadge, I'm into audio , , but I've never heard of a pre-emptible kernel ..is some special audiofile / media OS version?
[03:00] <coz_> I have never heard of it either
[03:00] <snadge> oversimplified explanation is that it reduces latency
[03:00] <snadge> so if you are doing realtime audio/video processing.. or midi.. and you want more precise timing
[03:00] <coz_> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5600
[03:00] <snadge> we're talking about milliseconds here.. if single milliseconds dont mean much to you
[03:00] <snadge> its less of a concern
[03:01] <snadge> but using video playback as an example.. which is something *everyone* can appreciate
[03:01] <snadge> it may mean eliminating the occasional skips/glitches during video playback
[03:01] <snadge> which i happen to notice, and it annoys the shit out of me
[03:01] <snadge> most people probably either wouldn't notice.. or wouldn't care if they did
[03:01] <coz_> snadge,  interesting... i will have to read up on this
[03:02] <snadge> or just accept occasional video jumps as "normal"
[03:02] <snadge> but it isnt.. i want a constant whatever fps the input video is in.. not 99% of them time.. that many fps, and sometimes more or less, depending on what the kernel feels like doing
[03:02] <coz_> snadge,  well this is going to be appropriate for music composition
[03:03] <snadge> anyway.. ubuntu used to come with an -rt kernel.. but it appears its no longer maintained
[03:03] <snadge> apparently it became too hard or something
[03:04] <coz_> that's not good news...
[03:04] <coz_> sounds like a step backwards
[03:04] <snadge> yeah im starting to think i should switch to gentoo for my media pc
[03:04] <snadge> i just can't be bothered with all that hassle though.. i just want to be able to install something and have it work
[03:05] <snadge> and ubuntu always seems to take two steps forwards.. and one step backwards
[03:05] <snadge> sometimes several steps backwards :p
[03:05] <coz_> snadge,  understood,, however, if ubuntu is going "back a few steps"  leaving  a great deal of people behind,, a dual boot might be good
[03:05] <snadge> there are numerous people stuck on older releases of ubuntu
[03:06] <BluesKaj> snadge, haven't experienced any glitches , and I don't know many audio guys/philes who are into midi stuff ...but I'm old so it could be a generational thing
[03:06] <snadge> midi is old school
[03:06] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:06] <coz_> yeah but nice for certain things
[03:06] <snadge> im 30 myself.. and it predates my existance
[03:06] <snadge> just
[03:07] <snadge> its not a music format.. its actually a hardware protocol for music exchange between actual insruments and sequencers etc
[03:07] <coz_> I did a few pieces that would be difficutlt to do in direct sound
[03:07] <snadge> just like serial
[03:07] <snadge> and its very timing sensitive
[03:07] <snadge> probably why nobody uses it anymore ;)
[03:08] <BluesKaj> heh well being an old musician , digital still sounds wrong to my ears  but I've learnd to live with it
[03:08] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I understand that one :)
[03:09] <snadge> but video playback is something that even people who don't understand what kernel latency, pre-emptible and realtime priority means.. can appreciate
[03:09] <coz_> BluesKaj,  but digital,, I can have a complete recording studio on my system
[03:09] <snadge> im tempted to load windows 7 on my htpc.. and test xbmc on that
[03:09] <snadge> and contrast it with ubuntu on linux
[03:10] <coz_> snadge,  probably work better with XP
[03:10] <snadge> im just afraid that it will work much better.. and i'll end up ditching ubuntu because of it ;)
[03:10] <snadge> its brand new.. amd zacate system
[03:10] <coz_> snadge,  use what you need to get the work done
[03:10] <snadge> dual core 64bit 1.6ghz, 8 gig of ram
[03:10] <BluesKaj> we have a real recoring studio , all analog but we've mixed to digital for obvious reasons
[03:11] <coz_> BluesKaj,  we  as in a band?
[03:12] <BluesKaj> yup , bunch of old country/blues/rockers...
[03:12] <coz_> BluesKaj,  excellent ! :)
[03:12] <BluesKaj> mostly a jamband tho
[03:13] <coz_> BluesKaj,  still,, wouldnt mind hearing something at some point,, I do all my work on the computer,, roland xv88.. mainly wanting to get into background music for commercials
[03:14] <coz_> I am a little concerned about ubuntu for this purpose,,, I need to learn more abou ardour
[03:22] <BluesKaj> we haven't recorded in a while ..used to record on vhs-hifi, then A>D conversion with an old mac pc
[03:22] <snadge> i guess i can just go old school.. and build my own kernel
[03:23] <snadge> i think i still remember how to do that
[03:23] <snadge> and i'll just use the standard ubuntu conf.. and enabled the pre-emption/realtime options
[03:23] <snadge> since theres way too many options these days.. and i really cant be bothered customising things beyond that
[03:26] <BluesKaj> snadge, personally I think your making mountains out of mole hills ..latency on a kernel in this day and age ? what kind of pc are you running
[03:27] <snadge> a new one.. amd zacate.. dual core 1.6ghz 64bit
[03:27] <BluesKaj> coz_, I'm not much on keyboards /piano etc , being a drummer :)
[03:28] <snadge> from memory the scheduler defaults to 1000hz these days
[03:28] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I started out as a jazz drummer :)
[03:28] <snadge> which is a massive improvement over what it used to be.. i think 250hz
[03:28] <snadge> but its still not pre-emptible
[03:28] <snadge> meaning that some system events.. can consume hundreds of milliseconds
[03:28] <snadge> which during video playback, is unacceptable
[03:28] <snadge> even if that only happens once every few minutes
[03:29] <BluesKaj> I didn't ..had to learn some independence and patterns first :)
[03:29] <coz_> snadge,  not sure if it would make a difference,, but have you spoken to any of the kernel developers about this?
[03:30] <snadge> not yet no.. i've just been searching around on the net seeing what i could find
[03:30] <BluesKaj> ok have a good night guys ...later
[03:30] <coz_> BluesKaj,   jazz and rock drummer for about 15 years,, late nights,, decent pay,, too many pharmaceuticals :)  killed our guitar player   left
[03:30] <coz_> gah
[03:31] <snadge> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime
[03:32] <snadge> ouch
[03:35] <snadge> god bless my pregnant gf .. i dont know if i actually meant that or am being sarcastic either ;)
[05:27] <kancerman> how to be rid of the gigantic 'notification tray + icons' I've been getting ??
[05:13] <bkerensa> Anyone have success at any DE with panels on Ocelot?
[05:24] <kancerman> DE ??
[08:09] <ior3k> e
[08:10] <dupondje> somebody around ?
[08:44] <nitesh> hello when i install fglrx driver i am getting this error SystemError: installArchives() failed
[08:45] <nitesh> anyway to fix it?
[09:17] <htorque> Oli: \o/
[09:17] <htorque> ;-)
[09:17] <Oli> !
[09:43] <dupondje> All sleeping here ?
[09:54] <ikonia> no
[09:55] <dupondje> you have pbuilder-dist installed ?
[09:56] <ikonia> no
[12:19] <snadge> anyone know whats going on with xvba-video and libva for amd/fglrx support?
[12:19] <snadge> i should be an expert on it by now.. but the information on the net is fairly sparse
[12:19] <snadge> or i just dont know what i should be looking for
[12:19] <snadge> the latest code comes from a place splitted desktop systems.. maintained by this gwenole fellow
[12:20] <snadge> but its not distributed with ubuntu
[12:20] <snadge> it probably should be.. actually make that definitely should be
[12:20] <snadge> or if not, justification why not
[12:21] <snadge> im sure there are numerous people looking for h264/vc1 hardware video acceleration
[12:21] <snadge> who use the proprietary fglrx driver
[12:21] <snadge> think mythbuntu/xbmc.. gstreamer, ffmpeg.. etc etc
[12:22] <snadge> all depends on it for high definition content.. and smooth video playback
[12:38] <bjsnider> snadge, it cannot be easily distributed because the xvba driver code is proprietary at this point
[13:03] <snadge> bjsnider: does at this point mean that xvba-video will eventually become distributable?
[13:38] <bjsnider> snadge, it could still be distributed, but not the source code. so it would have to be in ubuntu's restricted repository, and they'd have to sign agreements not to reveal the code to anyone with amd and so forth and so on
[14:00] <bjsnider> the last i heard it was so unstable and inconsistent that it would be almost pointless to include it
[14:00] <bjsnider> some cards work others don't with little or no warning or predictability etc.
[14:00] <bjsnider> it would be far better to use ffmpeg-mt with a decent multi-core cpu
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:35] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, have you tried ffmpeg-mt ?
[14:38] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, i have. it works
[14:39] <bjsnider> it's part of libav now so anyone can try it
[14:39] <bjsnider> ubuntu is going to be using libav, not ffmpeg
[14:50] <BluesKaj> I have a plain jane dual core cpu , dont imagine ffmpeg-mt will make much diff , since I havent seen any video or audio probs so far.
[14:51] <BluesKaj> mostly use vlc , tried xbmc but I don't like it's window dreessing type interface ...too clunky as well.
[14:59] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, it would make a lot of difference actually
[15:00] <bjsnider> if you're talking about hi-def x264 at 1080p it would make a huge difference
[15:01] <bjsnider> if you're talking about something like xvid at 480p and whatnot, that doesn't require much horsepower to play regardless
[15:07] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, this pc is our media server connected by dvi/hdmi to our plasma tv , but we haven't experienced any true Hidef except for our Bell sat HD service (which seems quite compressed ), and we don't own a bluray player or cdrom . I have tried a few mkv which claim to be 720p , and one or two 1080i , but due our bandwidth cap I haven't tried any thing above 6G in size
[15:13] <bjsnider> bell compresses every signal to 720p at a low bitrate
[15:14] <bjsnider> you should try to get rid of the badnwidth cap
[15:19] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, I have 105G cap with bell internet, my only other option is eastlink , which has faster internet but otherwise is about the same pricewise, hardly an inentive o swith.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> to switch
[15:19] <BluesKaj> damnkb
[15:20] <bjsnider> and is uncapped
[15:20] <bjsnider> faster and uncapped is an incentive
[15:24] <BluesKaj> it has caps
[15:24] <BluesKaj> eastlink does
[15:25] <patdk-wk> Unlimited internet (upto 105gigs) for $49.95 a month :)
[15:25] <BluesKaj> yup
[15:25] <Daekdroom> Oh my God a contradiction.
[15:25] <Daekdroom> (also known as marketing)
[15:25] <patdk-wk> no one will ever use more than 105gigs
[15:26] <patdk-wk> unless they have a 200gig harddrive and uses a online backup service :)
[15:26] <Daekdroom> I could use 100Gig with a 320GB harddrive and no backup service.
[15:26] <BluesKaj> if you download hidef movies it doesn't take long
[15:26] <Daekdroom> Precisely.
[15:26] <patdk-wk> blueskaj, but is that legal?
[15:27] <patdk-wk> takes a few netflix to do that
[15:27] <BluesKaj> it's in limbo here
[15:27] <patdk-wk> but ya, I download highdef anime, normally 20-30gigs each
[15:27] <Daekdroom> The ISP I used to have had a cap but never enforced it.
[15:27] <Daekdroom> It did for like one month and then stopped.
[15:28] <BluesKaj> we jst got netflix last winter, but we're not impressed ,,, tried it for a month , found one good movie
[15:28] <patdk-wk> ya, I find it about the same
[15:28] <patdk-wk> but its nice for the kids though
[15:28] <patdk-wk> can put on random kid crap easily
[15:29] <BluesKaj> right ..kids are grown and gone here
[15:38] <BluesKaj> does ffmpeg-mt exist side by side with ffpmeg or do need to replace it with -mt ?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, ^
[15:59] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, it was merged, so it's the same thing if you have a new enough version of ffmpeg or libav
[16:05] <saam>  hello, when I install fglrx form jockey in oneiric it says SystemError: installArchives() failed  But a recent changelog in jockey says multi arch problem with fglrx solved
[16:06] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, ok I suppose since I saw ffmpeg was upgraded on 11.10 it's the newest version
[17:01] <mandara> when I get new mail in Thunderbird, envelope doesn't become green/blue. Is this a bug or  do I need to install something?
[17:36] <GTRsdk> has anyone else noticed thunderbird freezing when trying to load an encrypted message?
[17:37] <Ampelbein> GTRsdk: works here with enigmail
[17:38] <GTRsdk> it just began working again
[17:38] <GTRsdk> Ampelbein, I think it may be something with the only 1 GB of RAM
[17:39] <Ampelbein> GTRsdk: no, probably your gpg revalidated the trustDB.
[17:39] <Ampelbein> GTRsdk: that looks like thunderbird hanging but it isn't actually hanging. I saw a bug for this, let me check
[17:46] <Ampelbein> hmm, can't find the bug I thought I remember.
[18:03] <om26er_> the micro notify-osd it that a bug or evolution?
[18:19] <Daekdroom> om26er_, what micro notify-osd?
[18:28] <GTRsdk> I can't use the open link in browser feature in xchat or thunderbird. Is this a bug in Firefox?
[18:28] <GTRsdk> I am using Unity 2d, if that makes a difference
[18:46] <om26er_> GTRsdk, i think gnome-control-center might be to blame
[18:47] <GTRsdk> a setting is wrong?
[18:56] <om26er_> Daekdroom, http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=161565
[18:57] <Daekdroom> Odd. It's normal in here.
[21:01] <semitones> will oneiric be LTS?
[21:01] <GTRsdk> no
[21:02] <GTRsdk> but 12.04 (the one after Oneiric) will


[07:03] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:16] <dwatkins> allo allo
[07:17] <knightwise> Hey dwatkins !
[07:17]  * dwatkins pours coffee into his brain
[07:17] <dwatkins> First day back after a week off is always difficult.
[07:17] <dwatkins> I trust all is well elsewhere.
[07:31] <popey> Morning
[07:32] <dwatkins> wotcher
[07:39] <knightwise> I failed to record the last dr who episode
[07:39] <knightwise> as a star trek fan I'm starting to wonder if that wasn't a good thing
[07:41] <dwatkins> knightwise: it'll be repeated soon enough
[07:41] <SuperMat1> it's on iplayer
[07:41] <SuperMat1> and all the torrent sites
[07:42] <dwatkins> I havn't used a video recorder in years thanks to all this iplayer related stuff :)
[07:42] <popey> tsk tsk
[07:43] <popey> torrents are bad mm'kay
[07:48] <SuperMatt> unless of course you're downloading and sharing ubuntu isos?
[08:07] <MooDoo_> moening all
[08:09] <knightwise> hey MooDoo !
[08:17] <mungbean> installed carmageddon on android tablet. ws expecting something a bit better from the reviews
[08:19] <MooDoo> howdy knightwise how are you?
[08:40] <JamesTait> Good morning, and happy frog jumping day, eveyone! :-D
[08:41] <SuperMatt> ok, I need the source for that one
[08:44] <directhex> when's weasel stomping day?
[08:44] <SuperMatt> isn't every day weasel stomping day?
[08:45] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k76IGLi6jWI
[08:45] <Laney> stoat stomping, weasel wanging, vole vaulting
[08:46] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, http://news.yahoo.com/may-13-frog-jumping-day-tulip-day-national-171100389.html is one place I saw it.
[09:18] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:18] <MooDoo> morning
[09:19] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:19] <SuperMatt> JamesTait: I would have prefered national apple pie day
[09:19] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, as would many people, I suspect - hence me choosing something else. ;)
[09:19] <brobostigon> why cant we have national beer day,?
[09:19] <SuperMatt> curse you JamesTait!
[09:20] <JamesTait> brobostigon, isn't every day national beer day?
[09:21] <brobostigon> JamesTait: i suspect that can be done, :)
[09:51]  * chalcedony smiles
[10:00] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:01] <MooDoo> mornig davmor2
[10:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: how be ya me owld mucka
[10:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: I'm fine thanks
[10:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: how do chap
[10:48] <bigcalm> davmor2: the usual, over worked. Though thankfully not under paid. 1st raise for several years
[10:48] <bigcalm> davmor2: how's you?
[10:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: recovering from the holiday, who knew cold and damp wasn't good for arthritis :D  How ever flat is warm and dry :)  It was still nice to get away and recharge the batteries :)
[10:52] <bigcalm> Indeed. Hayley and I are looking forward to our long Edinburgh weekend at the beginning of June
[10:53] <bigcalm> Though, at this time, I'm not sure what we'll do for the 4 days
[10:53] <bigcalm> Maybe we'll go and harass some people in Glasgow, like mgdm
[10:54] <mgdm> bigcalm: o hai :)
[10:54] <mgdm> what weekend are you 'here'?
[10:55] <bigcalm> mgdm: Saturday 1st to Tuesday 4th June
[10:56] <mgdm> cool
[10:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: fun :)  Ofcourse 2800 emails to go through on your first day back isn't the best fun in the universe :(
[10:59] <Laney> ctrl-a, delete
[11:02] <bigcalm> :D
[11:14] <brobostigon> oh yes, opensimulator working, :)
[11:15] <knightwise> hey everyone
[11:16] <brobostigon> afternoonings knightwise
[11:16]  * brobostigon grins widely, :D
[11:24] <directhex> brobostigon, the Second Life server?
[11:24] <brobostigon> directhex: yes.
[11:54] <brobostigon> directhex: althought why on earth it is in mono, i have no idea.
[11:55]  * redtape|renegade ' gives AlanBell ,  a loco-note to depatch DVD's this fortnight. |OTopix|
[11:57] <popey> brobostigon: why not?
[11:57] <brobostigon> popey: i wa just expecting something like c++ really, expectations.
[11:57] <directhex> brobostigon, well, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn8Sd013sM8 might be indicative. On the left is the old Second Life scripting system, LSL. on the right is the same script compiled using mono, which is now standard in second life.
[11:58] <brobostigon> directhex: interesting,
[11:59] <brobostigon> bbl, meds to pickup from chemist, hope i stay dry.
[11:59] <directhex> using something like Mono for this type of game engine is reasonably logical. The Sims 3 is a good example of it
[11:59] <directhex> especially if you compare performance of TS3 and TS2
[11:59] <brobostigon> i shall have to do more tests.
[11:59] <brobostigon> ok, bbl.
[12:00] <redtape|renegade> brobostigon: I'd take that wind-proof jacket, then: just saying.
[12:24]  * redtape|renegade scores a blinder off Aucktion :: http://r.ebay.com/9eR5Jt :: (came up in a 'Saved search' @ Dr Who time, yesterday)
[12:26] <redtape|renegade> T | wonder if it  gets delivered before fourteen - o -four (?)
[12:26] <redtape|renegade> **OT | ...
[12:52] <redtape|renegade> !packages
[13:24] <bashrc> For anyone who is a Bitmessage fan the Unity integration is now mostly done
[13:25] <bashrc> All I need do now is make a PPA
[14:32] <bashrc> Have created my very first PPA
[14:34] <redtape|renegade> bashrc: Well done .. what's the launchpad entry ?
[14:42] <ali1234> bashrc: can i try it?
[14:45] <bashrc> ppa:fuzzgun/pybitmessage
[14:46] <bashrc> only currently for raring
[14:50] <bashrc> A relatively minor inconsistency: on the application indicator there is "quit" but within the application file menu there is "exit"
[14:58]  * brobostigon shakes his fist at FB ads. :(
[15:01] <redtape|renegade> ali123: I must have pinged out .. what was the launchpad PPA address again ?
[15:01] <redtape|renegade> bashrc:          ^^ ?
[15:01] <bashrc> ppa:fuzzgun/pybitmessage
[15:03] <redtape|renegade> bashrc: I have downloaded it .. I will later transfer to my other screen and try it out. thank-you.
[15:03] <bashrc> no problemo
[15:06] <SuperMatt> I wonder if the summit.ubuntu.com site can be updated so I can quickly download a calendar entry for certain events
[15:53] <redtape|renegade> SuperMatt: I believe the calendar function also exists in the terminal by just typing :: $ calendar .. | wonder, if Mellon University would open that up ? ::
[16:04] <bashrc> I wonder where that term "red tape" came from originally
[16:04] <redtape|renegade> HOPE 5
[16:04] <mgdm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_tape
[16:05]  * redtape|renegade activates his unstimulii senses.
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> o/
[16:06] <bashrc> goes back to Henry VIII and his marriage troubles
[16:07] <brobostigon> hail, eeeek
[16:08] <redtape|renegade> bashrc, It's very odd that you are looking at the Tudors .. a very odd reign.
[16:13] <dogmatic69> how can I uninstall / remove elasticsearch. I installed with https://gist.github.com/wingdspur/2026107
[16:17] <redtape|renegade> bashrc, Dunno :: whenever I loose track I just click here ---> http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/megan-fox :: get back to eurobooks. -it's just a bookmark afterall.
[16:20] <mgdm> dogmatic69: which bit of that script did you use? The .deb or the second bit?
[16:20] <dogmatic69> mgdm: the deb iirc
[16:20] <dogmatic69> was a while back
[16:21] <mgdm> well, just remove the .deb - sudo apt-get remove elasticsearch
[16:21] <mgdm> (I think it's remove, at least)
[16:21] <dogmatic69> normally I use apt-get remove, ye.
[16:21] <dogmatic69> maybe I did not use the deb then...
[16:21] <mgdm> in that case you probably want to just remove /usr/local/share/elasticsearch
[16:21] <mgdm> (which, by the way, is a really strange place to put it)
[16:22] <dogmatic69> ok, its fine to just rm -r it?
[16:22] <dogmatic69> it being that folder.
[16:22] <mgdm> make sure it's stopped first, but yeah (subject to the usual disclaimer; if you break it you get to keep all the bits ;-)
[16:22] <dogmatic69> :(
[16:23] <dogmatic69> its only my dev box for doing work / making a living on...
[16:23] <mgdm> well, tar it up and keep it somewhere if you're concerned
[16:23] <mgdm> or rename it and see if anything breaks
[16:23] <dogmatic69> lol, no space for that :D
[16:23] <dogmatic69> hence trying to clean up
[16:24] <dogmatic69> I will just live on the edge a bit, most things are only a git clone (php dev etc)
[16:25] <mgdm> yeah
[16:25] <mgdm> I have a Vagrant box that I do all my dev stuff on
[16:25] <dogmatic69> its an old(ish) HP blade
[16:25] <mgdm> or rather, I have about 4 similar ones, and just turn them off and on as required
[16:39] <redtape|chrome> OT | You mentioned the vagrant box .. Has anyone tried these (top-right) .. >  :http://www.villagetronic.com/e_products.html ::
[16:39] <redtape|chrome> OT |   ^^     ?
[16:40] <mgdm> that's not even mildly related to Vagrant :-)
[16:41] <redtape|chrome> mgdm, Oh sorry I'll lmgtfy it.
[16:41] <mgdm> http://www.vagrantup.com/ is what I'm talking about
[16:41] <dogmatic69> redtape|chrome: a link to VMware would have been closer
[16:42] <redtape|chrome> dogmatic69: Yep .. I'm looking at http://docs-v1.vagrantup.com/v1/docs/getting-started/ports.html :: but free to let me know if my product will work with 13.04 :/
[16:48] <redtape|chrome> diplo: How's life in forty shades of green counrty ?
[17:22] <cocoa117> how to use dd to write zero to sector 2-2048?
[17:23] <cocoa117> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 seek=2-2048
[17:23] <cocoa117> does this work?
[17:25] <shauno> I think it'd just going to be seek=2 and count=2046.  seek tells you where to start, count tells you how far to keep going
[17:25] <cocoa117> shauno, ha, got it
[17:37] <dogmatic69> is there any way to kill a ssh tunnel
[17:39] <dogmatic69> ah, its just a process so kill worked.
[18:49] <knightwise> hey everyone
[18:52] <bashrc`> hi
[19:24] <Azelphur> Anyone got any good suggestions for cheap curtains? I got 8 Windows all with no curtains, so stuff it's looking rather expensive :(
[19:24] <mgdm> You've got Windows 8 with no curtains...?
[19:24]  * mgdm flees
[19:25] <popey> Azelphur: for cheap curtains see "blinds"
[19:26] <directhex> blinds aren't really cheap either
[19:26] <Azelphur> popey: haha, yea been looking for that too, it's a bit difficult because of the size required though, need ~2m drop, 1m wide
[19:26] <directhex> the cheapest curtains are the pre-sized ones that come shrink-wrapper. if find some that fit your windows. anything else means custom curtains means ££££££££££££££££££££££££££
[19:26] <popey> +1
[19:26] <Myrtti> Azelphur: "ikea"
[19:26] <popey> depends on the blinds
[19:27] <directhex> yes, ikea is worth considering. dirt cheap compared to non-ikea
[19:27] <Myrtti> ikea and mum's sewing machine
[19:27] <directhex> it may still be cheaper to buy premade curtains & have them adjusted at a dry cleaners than to have custom curtains done
[19:27] <directhex> e.g. for the boy's bedroom we had pre-made tab top curtains converted to track top
[19:28] <Azelphur> didn't think of ikea, will check them
[19:28] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4700741202/in/set-72157604075155031
[19:28] <Myrtti> ^ ikea
[19:28] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4700742416/
[19:28] <Azelphur> sounds like a plan
[19:29] <popey> directhex: https://plus.google.com/u/0/102823828455295039123/posts/1gHAhqP2icf
[19:30] <shauno> mum's sewing machine ftw.  curtains aren't difficult.  curtain tape is <50p/metre, and the rest magically falls into place
[19:30] <directhex> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/522990_10150789180530709_115359205_n.jpg
[19:30] <popey> awwww
[19:31] <Myrtti> most ikea curtains have so much excess that if you have a sewing machine available the excess can be used as curtain tie-backs
[19:31] <Myrtti> especially with the ridiculously low ceiling height of UK apartments
[19:32] <directhex> popey, confused, why can't i reply to that post?
[19:32] <directhex> oh. gotta join "ubuntu community". grr
[19:32] <directhex> noise
[19:32] <popey> its a community
[19:32] <popey> yeah
[19:43] <ali1234> software centre says no skype and no steam on raring?
[19:54] <directhex> just get steam from steampowered.com
[19:54] <directhex> and skype from skype.com is fine on raring too
[20:01] <mungbean> how do i disable the bongos at the lightdm screen?
[20:05] <popey> directhex: how can I find out why (for example) on debian sid, libc6:i386 trails behind libc6:amd64? there should be build logs or something?
[20:06] <diplo_> evening all
[20:07] <directhex> popey, there are build logs for debian, at buildd.debian.org
[20:07] <directhex> https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=eglibc
[20:08] <directhex> so, there won't be a build log for architectures where the package was compiled by the maintainer and uploaded. debian requires binary uploads, not source-only uploads (sigh)
[20:08] <directhex> there's a delay from a package being in "installed" state and being in your local mirror, too
[20:09] <Azelphur> Can anyone with a VPN and an android phone do me a favour and tell me if when wifi tethering is enabled, does the phone route all data through your VPN?
[20:10] <Azelphur> or if anyone has a VPN I can test with that'd be handy
[20:16] <popey> thanks directhex
[20:29] <mungbean> grim peogramme about chavs
[20:29] <diplo> yeah i gave that a miss mungbean
[20:29] <diplo> Skint ?
[20:29] <mungbean> yeah hprrid
[20:31] <mungbean> then camelot advertise scratchcards on the ad break
[20:32] <diplo> heh
[20:33] <popey> mungbean: i watched that hoarders app on ipad in bed last night.. nothing revolutionary, did find the presenter somewhat irritating
[20:36] <mungbean> yeah was a bit meh
[20:37] <mungbean> prefer the other one
[20:37] <popey> other what?
[20:42] <mungbean> hoarder mext door
[20:42] <mungbean> bbc one is lame
[20:43] <mungbean> u said hoarders APP lol
[20:45] <mungbean> why does the sprite ad censor the dogs willy?
[20:46] <shauno> the dog requested thus.
[21:01] <popey> hah so i did
[21:05] <popey> hmm.
[21:06] <popey> i want more programmes like "The Secret Life Of the Motorway"
[21:09] <Laney> there's something about feynman on the iplayer atm
[21:09] <Laney> started watching it earlier
[21:09] <mungbean> and the smiths yesterday
[21:09] <Laney> he's a good lad
[21:10] <Myrtti> yeah, it's a great show
[21:10] <Myrtti> too bad it's nothing as good as his books
[21:10] <mungbean> i read his book , was a bit bored
[21:11] <mungbean> sometime in the 90s, quantum physics and rainbows in oily puddles
[21:12] <mungbean> the presenter from the less good hoarders prog is from escape to the country that my missis watches everyday
[21:26] <bigcalm> Oh dear :(
[21:31] <Myrtti> hm?
[21:34] <bigcalm> Myrtti: oh sorry. My reaction was to the wallops message of the ongoing ddos
[21:34] <Myrtti> yeah, well, atleast the good thing is that the bigger half has services
[21:35] <bigcalm> Some people have very tiny willies, me thinks
[21:36] <zleap> got it


[01:15] <bluesabre> Unit193: poke
[01:16] <Unit193> bluesabre: Howdy.
[01:20] <bluesabre> hey Unit193
[01:20] <bluesabre> so, reviewing https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce.html
[01:21] <bluesabre> for the dh-autoreconf items, the delta is that we use atuoreconf?
[01:21] <Unit193> Yes.
[01:22] <bluesabre> ok
[01:22] <Unit193> Center is the delta, right column is summery or whatnot.
[01:22] <bluesabre> gotcha
[01:23] <bluesabre> so for garcon, I check the debian version of autotools, or is there another way to determine that?
[01:23] <Unit193> Just on some of them, we do technically have a delta, but because Debian handles it in a different way it's alright.
[01:23] <Unit193> Well, see what lintian says? :P
[01:24] <bluesabre> :)
[01:27] <Unit193> Mousepad is UNRELEASED right now, so it'll wait for Wombat.
[01:33] <bluesabre> yeah
[01:33] <bluesabre> gtk engines will wait as well, UIF being today and all
[01:35] <bluesabre> which lintian flags would alert me in this case for garcon? multiarch, or does this seem ok? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10588614/
[01:38] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hit the changes file for checking the source and binary builds.  And no, outdated-autotools-helper-file would be it. :D
[01:42] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks
[01:42] <Unit193> Sure thing, cap'n.
[01:43] <bluesabre> I like specific error messages like that :)
[01:43] <bluesabre> source looks good for garcon
[01:43] <bluesabre> :)
[01:46] <Unit193> Meh, well that one is for config.{sub,guess} and autotools-dev, but same concept.
[02:21] <bluesabre> the rest are merges, will work on those later tonight/tomorrow
[02:22] <bluesabre> thanks for the continued help Unit193 :)
[02:22] <Unit193> bluesabre: Any time!  Glad to be of service.
[02:26] <bluesabre> need anything from me to get you moving along with packageset?
[02:26] <Unit193> I'm pretty sure I need more actual sponsor sigs, but I can look for a date to sign up anyway.
[02:28] <Unit193> Hrm, I had a problem entering the unlock password on plymouth-logo.
[02:31] <bluesabre> tahts scary
[02:33] <Unit193> Reset to see if it was vbox or something messed up, it used the text theme and worked fine.
[02:52] <Unit193> Hah, someone goofed!  ca-certs is newer in utopic than vivid. :D
[03:05] <bluesabre> :D
[03:14] <Unit193> Yeah, plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo won't take my password.
[03:15] <Unit193> Can someone else confirm?  Maybe on hardware?
[03:27] <rww> Unit193: I had issues with Kubuntu doing that the other day, didn't take the time to track it down yet
[03:30] <Unit193> rww: Ah, fun.  What happened when you tried?
[03:30] <rww> Unit193: when I typed things nothing changed on the screen, and it didn't take my password at all
[03:32] <Unit193> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/vivid/revision/278 had to update it for fsck and systemd.
[05:43] <Unit193> cyphermox: So tried dracut with encrypted LVM and it worked, granted not as smooth as initramfs-tools, but considering it's an unsupported option it does pretty well.  Know you weren't really interested, but said I'd report back with that. :P
[10:26] <slickymasterWork> knome, the installer-slideshow got uploaded
[10:27] <slickymasterWork> the pot files are available -> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu
[10:30] <knome> slickymasterWork, i know, didn't i mention it on this channel :P
[10:31] <slickymasterWork> bad knome :P
[10:31] <knome> well i did
[10:31] <knome> 23:42  knome: bluesabre, yai, Riddell's going to handle the slideshow upload if  you didn't pick that up yet :)
[10:31] <slickymasterWork> you know I can't see the backlof of -off over here
[10:31] <knome> that's over 12 hours ago
[10:31] <knome> in this channel, not offtopic :P
[10:31] <slickymasterWork> I knew it was ridell and not infinity who would do it
[10:32] <slickymasterWork> anyway setting up the call for the ML
[10:32] <knome> yep
[10:34] <knome> please mention not to translate apps...
[10:34] <knome> eh
[10:34] <knome> tags
[10:35] <slickymasterWork> lol
[10:54] <slickymasterWork> knome, http://pastebin.com/fbJdat9U
[10:54] <slickymasterWork> is it too much?
[10:54] <knome> "a huge contribution" sounds a bit like you're telling lies
[10:55] <slickymasterWork> ok, I'll drop the adjective
[10:55] <knome> i would probably leave the [2] footnote off, just paste the url to the next line
[10:55] <slickymasterWork> what about the rest of it
[10:56] <knome> ready to be translated:
[10:56] <knome>    URL
[10:56] <knome> otherwise, it looks good
[10:56] <slickymasterWork> translated at
[10:56] <knome> well
[10:56] <slickymasterWork> isn't that way better?
[10:56] <knome> if you want me to nit-pick
[10:57] <knome> nobody knows what ubiquity slideshow is
[10:57] <knome> mention "the installer slideshow"
[10:57] <slickymasterWork> lol
[10:57] <knome> you can even mention "..that greets the user the first time after they've started installing xubuntu"
[10:57] <knome> or sth
[10:58] <slickymasterWork> oki
[10:59] <knome> 21 languages 100% translated
[11:00] <slickymasterWork> pt isn't...
[11:00] <slickymasterWork> ... yet
[11:01] <knome> it is
[11:01] <knome> oh
[11:01] <knome> i'm looking at utopic
[11:01] <knome> WAT
[11:01] <knome> WHY
[11:01] <slickymasterWork> last version of that paragraph knome :That time as finally arrived and I'm pleased to say that the Xubuntu installer slideshow, the package responsible for greeting the user when they start installing Xubuntu has been uploaded and ready to be translated at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu"
[11:01] <knome> then only one is :D
[11:01] <knome> that's ginnish...
[11:01] <knome> yep
[11:01] <knome> sounds nice
[11:01] <slickymasterWork> what's ginnish?
[11:02] <knome> that's finnish after a few gins
[11:02] <slickymasterWork> and I do mean the significance of the word
[11:02] <slickymasterWork> ahahaha
[11:02] <slickymasterWork> send knome
[11:02] <knome> ok ;)
[11:02] <slickymasterWork> care to tweet if you please?
[11:03] <knome> yep
[11:03] <knome> did you send to -users too?
[11:03] <slickymasterWork> pleia2, can you g+ and facebook it, pleae ^^^
[11:03] <slickymasterWork> no, just to -devel
[11:03] <slickymasterWork> want me to send to -users to?
[11:04]  * knome shrugs
[11:04]  * slickymasterWork thinks is not on that mailing list
[11:04] <knome> otoh, this is a small thing that's relatively quickly translated by current people who are translating
[11:04] <knome> and otoh, it would be a good way to start contributing
[11:04] <slickymasterWork> yeah, just a few strings
[11:04] <knome> but then otoh, it's also a bad place to make stupid translations and mistakes
[11:04] <slickymasterWork> right
[11:06] <slickymasterWork> don't attempt the devil knome
[11:07] <knome> i guess finally, we *are* social mediaizing it too, so..
[11:14] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'm starting to wonder whether we should aim for (partial?) xfce compiled with gtk3 until the next LTS
[11:14] <ochosi> or just stick to 4.12
[11:15] <ochosi> somehow the idea of again going with a mix feels a bit meh
[11:15] <ochosi> then again, the power manager is already fairly stable (although no new features have been added since the port, so we prolly don't lose much by sticking to 1.4.x, apart from symbolic icons)
[11:15] <bluesabre> I'd say stable core, and updated goodies
[11:16] <ochosi> yeah, xfpm is core though, so a good example :)
[11:16] <bluesabre> xfpm is the peanut butter to our light-locker jelly
[11:17] <ochosi> hehe
[11:17] <ochosi> so a goodie then? :)
[11:18] <bluesabre> :)
[11:19] <bluesabre> we'll probably change our mind as we go and port things
[11:19] <bluesabre> "just look at the shiny new settings manager, xubuntu needs that"
[11:20] <bluesabre> "oh wow, xfwm4 can do that now!? upload!"
[11:20] <ochosi> yeah, possible
[11:21] <bluesabre> somebody should take the terminal port, its a window with vte, it'd probably be super easy
[11:22] <ochosi> there already is a patch in bz that does the gtk3 part i think
[11:22] <ochosi> not the vte3 part yet though
[11:22] <ochosi> feel free to take a peek at that
[11:22] <ochosi> note though that term hasn't had a 4.12 release yet (lazy nick)
[11:26] <bluesabre> :)
[11:27] <ochosi> but still, porting in a branch should be fine
[11:27] <ochosi> term actually has quite a big source, considering it's "just a terminal"
[11:27] <bluesabre> that's what happens with C
[11:28] <ochosi> well, that and when you start adding features like the dropdown mode
[11:33] <ochosi> fwiw, notifyd should also be fairly easy to port as it's already drawing everything with cairo
[11:36] <bluesabre> cool
[11:36] <bluesabre> gtk3 transitions could make that one nice
[11:36] <bluesabre> or annoying, hm
[11:36] <bluesabre> don't let me do that one
[11:36] <knome> lol
[11:37] <elfy> morning peeps
[11:38] <knome> hello eep
[11:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: not sure there's be gtk3 transitions tbh, but support for symbolic icons would be nice
[11:41] <ochosi> or: not sure what gtk3 transitions you had in mind, i think notifyd just draws the whole notification window with cario, so very little toolkit interaction there
[11:44] <knome> bbl
[11:54] <ochosi> bbl
[12:11] <bluesabre> ochosi: symbolic icons would be really nice
[12:11] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[12:31] <slickymasterWork> it's true indeed, the shoemaker's son always goes barefoot
[12:32] <slickymasterWork> just noticed that lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings is still untranslated into pt
[12:32] <slickymasterWork> :P
[12:33] <slickymasterWork> 171 strings :
[13:09] <cyphermox> Unit193: cool, good to know
[13:25] <ganglere> Any reason a 14.04 install would boot straight into memtest after a dist-upgrade?
[14:39] <nerdistmonk> well looks like microsoft sent another batch of bad chow to windows users
[14:39] <nerdistmonk> an update causing reboot loops
[14:39] <nerdistmonk> outch
[14:40] <nerdistmonk> glad im on a nice stable development build of xubuntu.
[14:40] <nerdistmonk> :D
[15:41] <nerdistmonk> So how long should i keep these handful of systemd transistional compatibility libraries?
[15:42] <nerdistmonk> libsystemd-daemon0, libsystemd-journal0, libsystemd-login0, all 3 say depreciated next to them.
[15:51] <brainvvash> nerdistmonk, remove them
[15:51] <nerdistmonk> ah ok then.
[15:52] <brainvvash> apt-get autoremove  might do the job
[16:21] <nerdistmonk> autoremove didn't show them, i just used synaptics to do a complete removal, nothing seemed to depend on them. so yeah.
[16:31] <flexiondotorg_> Hello. How goes things in the Xubuntu world?
[16:32] <ochosi> good good
[16:32] <flexiondotorg_> :)
[16:32] <ochosi> 4.12 got released and it's in vivid now
[16:32] <ochosi> how're things over @mate?
[16:32] <flexiondotorg_> Woooohoooo! Go Xubuntu :D
[16:32] <ochosi> yeah, go Unit193, Noskcaj and bluesabre :)
[16:33] <flexiondotorg_> Yep, all good with Ubuntu MATE. Got a few sync requests that need actioning and a couple more I will file at the weekend.
[16:33] <flexiondotorg_> But, then.....
[16:33] <flexiondotorg_> I'm cruising to final baby ;)
[16:33] <ochosi> great
[16:33] <ochosi> congrats
[16:34] <ochosi> our status is also pretty good: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-v/group/topic-v-flavor-xubuntu.html
[16:47]  * flexiondotorg_ is looking at ^^^^^^
[16:48] <flexiondotorg_> ochosi, I will have to find out how to use blueprints. Looks useful.
[16:49] <flexiondotorg_> I'm using Trello at the moment because when unofficial, I had to have something.
[16:49] <ochosi> yeah
[16:49] <ochosi> we also tested trello
[16:49] <ochosi> but then went back to blueprints
[16:49] <ochosi> cause bugreport integration etc
[16:49] <flexiondotorg_> ochosi, Interesting. Why back to blueprints?
[16:51] <elfy> integration with LP for the main part
[16:51] <elfy> but we still use trello - just not team wide
[17:11] <slickymasterWork> \o/ settings-dialog for lightdm-gtk-greeter fully translated
[17:13] <slickymasterWork> ochosi, any idea on who might have the permissions to kick it in? ^^
[17:13] <slickymasterWork> is sitting now in the import queue https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/trunk/+imports
[17:13] <slickymasterWork> or knome ^^
[17:18] <slickymasterWork> or bluesabre even ^^
[17:20] <ochosi> sry, i've never handled translations on lp
[18:00] <slickymasterWork> lol ochosi, you're the project driver
[18:01] <ochosi> yeah, that's probably not a good idea then :)
[18:01] <slickymasterWork> ahaha
[18:01] <slickymasterWork> I think bluesabre might have a clue though
[18:01]  * ochosi hopes so
[18:02] <slickymasterWork> :)
[18:13] <dkessel> slickymasterWork: when translating the information about mugshot in the ubiquity slideshow, i guess i better take the name that is displayed in the settings manager?
[18:14] <slickymasterWork> yes dkessel, for consistency sake
[18:14] <dkessel> okidokey
[18:14] <slickymasterWork> :) danka
[18:21] <dkessel> slickymasterWork: "to install Xubuntu _with us_" sounds strange to me... :p
[18:21] <dkessel> we aren't really there when they install
[18:23] <slickymasterWork> that's just a colloquial expression, a friendly one
[18:23] <slickymasterWork> sort of making the user feel part of a all
[18:24] <dkessel> hmm and in the part about local support channels, the translator could just pick the right ones for the translated language :)
[18:24] <dkessel> instead of pointing them to an english list
[18:24] <slickymasterWork> that's something already in out TODO list for next cycle dkessel :)
[18:24] <slickymasterWork> s/out/our
[18:26] <dkessel> slickymasterWork: ok :) another question: is the link which opens the desktop guide in the menu really called "official documentation" in english?
[18:27] <slickymasterWork> Yes in the opening page it is
[18:27] <slickymasterWork> if you click the Help button from whisker you can verify that
[18:28] <dkessel> but the user won't find it that way, but nvm :) i guess this gets the symbol of "help" in the slideshow?
[18:29] <slickymasterWork> I don't quite recall it now, but you can always branch ubiquity.installer-slideshow and cd into int and then test run it
[18:32] <slickymasterWork> dkessel: bzr branch lp:ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[18:32] <slickymasterWork> then cd ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[18:32] <slickymasterWork> and once there ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu
[18:33] <dkessel> i guess i'll have to do an iso test the other day ;) do these get imported daily?
[18:34] <slickymasterWork> these what? the translations?
[18:34] <dkessel> slickymasterWork: yup
[18:35] <dkessel> thanks for helping out a bit with the slideshow translations ochosi :)
[18:35] <slickymasterWork> I think they aren't, at least the branch isn't set up to do it automatically
[18:35] <ochosi> dkessel: lol yeah, 1 string, yay! :)
[18:35] <slickymasterWork> and that's another thing we will try to approach/change for next cycle
[18:36] <slickymasterWork> \o/
[18:36] <ochosi> dkessel: i did that one string and then noticed you were on it, so i stopped again ;)
[18:36] <slickymasterWork> lol a chef and his sous-chef
[18:37] <ochosi> well, i really didn't want to mess with dkessel's work here ;)
[18:37] <ochosi> so i went back to hacking on xfpm
[18:37] <slickymasterWork> still with it ochosi?
[18:37] <ochosi> yeah, working on it
[18:37] <ochosi> it's looking pretty good though
[18:37] <dkessel> ochosi: how would you translate "live, online support"? i struggled with this in the docs, too... "xxx, yyy Unterstützung"....
[18:38] <ochosi> yeah, both those words are fine in german imo
[18:38] <ochosi> pretty much part of german by now
[18:39] <dkessel> i guess that works. just don't let the general german translation team see that ;)
[18:39] <krytarik> "Support" too, for that matter.
[18:40] <krytarik> The other one seems just weird by now imo.
[18:43] <slickymasterWork> ochosi, btw our last meeting didn't actually happened, did it?
[18:43] <ochosi> yeah, still need to fix that by setting a new one
[18:43] <ochosi> wanted to wait for bluesabre and elfy to be around to set a date/time that works for them too
[18:43] <slickymasterWork> ok, just checking
[18:45] <dkessel> german is done :)
[18:45] <ochosi> nice
[18:45] <ochosi> way to go dkessel
[18:45] <slickymasterWork> great dkessel
[18:45] <slickymasterWork> thanks for that
[18:47] <dkessel> i should really do some work on the translated application names and stuff during the next releases... some are really strange,
[18:47] <dkessel> and it bugs me that some names in the settings manager are still untranslated
[18:48] <slickymasterWork> you'll have to recur to transifex on some dkessel
[18:48] <dkessel> yup
[18:49] <dkessel> and then there is this orage developer who seems to have problems building a version with translation updates :p
[18:51] <slickymasterWork> haha
[19:15] <brainvvash> thunar crashed out of nowhere
[19:16] <brainvvash> slickymaster, can you mark bug 1371961 as public please?
[19:22] <dkessel> meh, the byobu launcher is broken in vivid. xfce-terminal start, complains it cannot start the child process, then hangs
[19:24] <dkessel> the launcher runs "env TERM=xterm-256color byobu". run from another xfce-terminal instance, this works.
[19:25] <dkessel> ochosi: ^ what do you think... file against xfce-terminal, or against the panel from which is start the launcher?
[19:27] <dkessel> my guess is terminal, as launching from whisker causes the same result
[19:31] <brainvvash> dkessel, probably already fixed upstream -> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/exo/commit/?id=b4200c9bab9f60e61a100dd12d841c2588b360d8
[19:35] <dkessel> brainvvash: that sounds like it
[21:38] <bluesabre> hello all
[21:39] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hello, updating xfce.html.
[21:39] <elfy> evening bluesabre Unit193
[21:40] <bluesabre> hey Unit193, elfy
[21:40] <Unit193> Howdy, elfy.
[21:41] <elfy> how's Friday - warming up for either of you?
[21:41] <Unit193> Sadly, yes.
[21:42] <bluesabre> a bit colder and rainy today
[21:42] <bluesabre> but overall, not bad
[21:42] <elfy> yea - we get that snow here bluesabre - warmed up and rain :p
[22:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, right.  Updated.  Also turns out Adam didn't quite bump 'xfce4' correctly, but it's a minor thing so no matter. :P
[22:14] <Unit193> ...Or I was reading a diff at 5 am, glossed over, and read it backwards.
[22:16] <elfy> Unit193 knome - so what's this new testcase actually for? is it needed on the tracker?
[22:17] <knome> elfy, i don't know, but it's in the tracker...
[22:17] <knome> elfy, it's the core testing we wanted to track at some point
[22:17] <knome> iirc...
[22:17] <elfy> knome: I thought similar
[22:17] <elfy> Unit193: ?
[22:17] <elfy> :P
[22:18] <elfy> not sure if we can add that to the 'not changing from cycle day 1' test we've got for -core
[22:18] <Unit193> Uhh, I was supposed to write a testcase for the thing merged into the Ubuntu upgrader, so I did.
[22:18] <elfy> it might have to join dailies
[22:18] <Unit193> Erm..
[22:18] <knome> elfy, why couldn't we?
[22:19] <knome> i mean, technically...
[22:19] <elfy> yea, but if we're putting more effort time into -core then shouldn't we just add that to dailes now - we can make them optionals
[22:19] <knome> adding to the suite isn't a problemo...
[22:20] <elfy> knome: afaik - -core was a singular thing, this new one would have to be the same
[22:20] <Unit193> I'd still like to leave core as the redheaded step child.
[22:20] <elfy> just seems a bit silly
[22:20] <knome> elfy, i don't think so
[22:20]  * knome checks
[22:20] <elfy> Unit193: because?
[22:20] <Unit193> Because Xubuntu (desktop) should be our main focus, and we shouldn't try to split that focus too much.
[22:21] <knome> elfy, surely we can add to the same test suite
[22:21] <knome> or is it product
[22:21] <knome> yes, product
[22:21] <elfy> knome: product I thought - we couldn't do it at the time, Nick had to set it up
[22:21] <knome> i can do that
[22:22] <knome> i have admin perms
[22:22] <elfy> then so should I - if I can't set up Xubuntu tests that's just ridiculous
[22:22] <knome> no reason why it couldn't be in the same testsuite as well
[22:22] <knome> i added it to the same test suite now
[22:23] <elfy> mmm
[22:23] <knome> and it'll limp along with the one-build-per-cycle
[22:23] <elfy> knew it
[22:23] <knome> knew what? :D
[22:24] <elfy> that we'd end up with core-upgrade looking more important
[22:24] <knome> oh
[22:24] <knome> heh
[22:24] <knome> i'll change that...
[22:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: places-plugin, screenshooter, whisker, and weather all just hit exp.
[22:24] <elfy> weighting reallly needs to be sorted
[22:24] <knome> elfy, isn't it good now?
[22:24] <knome> :P
[22:25] <elfy> yep
[22:25] <knome> btw, should we change minimal -> core
[22:25] <elfy> why packages won't work like that ...
[22:25] <knome> it probably does
[22:25] <knome> ;)
[22:25] <knome> let's fix this and then move to packages.
[22:26] <elfy> knome: no - it doesn't - hence the bug report for it
[22:26] <knome> "Xubuntu Core Install" and "Xubuntu Core Upgrade" ?
[22:26] <elfy> yep
[22:26] <knome> just a second while i update production and branch
[22:28] <knome> done
[22:28] <elfy> knome: quick question once you've done that
[22:28] <knome> yes?
[22:28] <elfy> something different
[22:28] <elfy> ish
[22:29] <knome> where?
[22:29] <knome> :)
[22:29] <knome> what?
[22:29] <elfy> ochosi and I talked a while back re this - I added to blueprint and postponed - but if it's not feasible I'll not do anything next cycle
[22:29] <elfy> knome: give me time ;)
[22:29] <knome> sure..
[22:29] <knome> (this is IRC, you can talk over me... :P)
[22:30] <elfy> so - we have LP and tracker, is it possible to grab tracker results and then have a x.org page that updates from that - without someone doing anything to update it?
[22:31] <knome> mmh...
[22:31] <knome> well, the tracker has an API
[22:31] <elfy> knome: yea - but if you don't know to wait - you'll start talking about the Singalese translation that's only at 1%
[22:31] <elfy> with slickymaster
[22:31] <elfy> :D
[22:31] <knome> ;)=
[22:32] <elfy> knome: bear in mind this has to be something that just updates - not something one of us has to do something to
[22:32] <knome> yes
[22:32] <knome> what exactly do you want to pull from there?
[22:33] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks
[22:33] <elfy> not sure yet - not completely sure how http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers grabs it's information
[22:33] <elfy> because it IS infact wrong :)
[22:33] <bluesabre> and yeah, ubuntu has xfce 4.10 with 4.12 components, experimental has xfce-4.12 with libxfce4util6
[22:33] <knome> elfy, the API doesn't include tester information
[22:33] <bluesabre> :)
[22:33] <Unit193> bluesabre: Of course, just doing my civic duty.
[22:33] <bluesabre> good sir
[22:33] <bluesabre> :D
[22:33] <knome> elfy, but i think dkessel is working on the tracker, so...
[22:34] <knome> well, it's possible that you could pull that info off
[22:34] <knome> but that wouldn't be very efficient
[22:34] <knome> would be much better if the tracker itself could show you the numbers you need :)
[22:35] <elfy> knome: yea
[22:35] <elfy> I do not trust it - certainly not enough to say - stickers to this one please pleia2
[22:36] <knome> mhm, well, same with manually building data - we have to base our results on the tracker data :)
[22:36] <elfy> knome: yea - I base it on a physical count of reports
[22:36] <elfy> which is a pita when I have to do 4 months ...
[22:37] <knome> yes
[22:37] <elfy> that's not going to happen again though obv - as I just need to do March and April now
[22:38] <knome> i'd investigate the tracker/dkessel direction before doing anything else
[22:38] <elfy> but as it is what it is personally I think it's QA Lead responsibility
[22:38] <elfy> ok, perhaps I'll talk with dkessel first about what I 'need'
[22:38] <knome> yep, and feel free to ping/CC me :)
[22:39] <elfy> even if I can do it with a script I guess
[22:39] <knome> can talk about the technical implementations we want with him
[22:39] <elfy> knome: ack - mostly it was talking to you whether there was an 'easy' way
[22:39] <knome> mhm
[22:39] <elfy> seemingly not - so :)
[22:39] <knome> well the easy way is to add the feature to the tracker
[22:40] <knome> not only for us...
[22:40] <elfy> the feature is there - doesn't appear to be accurate
[22:40] <knome> it is more or less trivial to implement that as long as you know the QA codebase
[22:40] <knome> then file a bug that it isn't accurate :)
[22:40] <elfy> I know why some is like it is
[22:40] <elfy> we start b1
[22:41] <elfy> 30 people test images
[22:41] <elfy> image rebuild
[22:41] <elfy> 0 people have tested b1 - they end up as 'dailies'
[22:42] <elfy> as far as we're concerned - those people DID test b1
[22:42] <knome> mhm...
[22:42] <knome> tjat
[22:42] <knome> ...
[22:42] <knome> that's a good question
[22:42] <elfy> yep
[22:42] <knome> i wonder if the "was something" status is tracked
[22:42] <knome> apparently not
[22:43] <elfy> there could be sfa up with our image - rebuilt as a global thing
[22:44] <elfy> it's the human side of *us* smoketesting a few images and marking ready for release
[22:44] <knome> yep
[22:45] <elfy> just that currently it's difference between me saying 'foo gets sticker' or we send them to bar instead
[22:45] <knome> yep
[22:46] <elfy> that said - I do keep records here of what's being tested, what's hardware, etc
[22:46] <knome> right:)
[22:46] <elfy> so - can do that monthly *shrug*
[22:46] <knome> hah
[22:47] <elfy> I know who's reporting things generally
[22:47] <elfy> but would be nice to not have to coutn them I guess :D
[22:47] <knome> agreed
[22:48] <elfy> I'll talk to dkessel - during the rest of cycle
[22:48] <knome> yep
[22:48] <knome> so what's the packages weight bug?
[22:48] <Unit193> bluesabre: Were you intending to file a bug for whisker about adding a --switch-cmd or merging your patch upstream?
[22:49] <elfy> knome: look at http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/327/builds/82959/testcases
[22:49] <knome> ok
[22:49] <elfy> I would want to have testuite a/b/.c/d above optional stuff
[22:49] <knome> aha
[22:50] <elfy> ... looking for the bug
[22:50] <knome> elfy, so yeah, that's different
[22:50] <knome> i guess
[22:51] <elfy> bug 1317231
[22:51] <knome> elfy, yep; testcases can have order, testsuites not
[22:52] <elfy> yea - fail
[22:52] <knome> that's ok :)
[22:52] <elfy> no - it's not lol
[22:52] <knome> let's just make dkessel fix it ;)
[22:52] <elfy> ha ha ha
[22:53] <elfy> poor old dkessel - see's pings, see's knome and elfy talking - facepalming for a gold medal ensues
[22:53] <knome> surely;)
[22:53] <knome> gah
[22:53]  * knome is cleaning up files
[22:54] <elfy> makes sense to me - I might want to list internet tests before games for instance
[22:59] <knome> hehe, yes
[22:59] <knome> the obvious workaround is to prepend every test suite with a number
[22:59] <knome> 1 Test suite for Internet
[22:59] <knome> or whatever
[23:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: hm?
[23:00] <elfy> yea - but it's not that number knome - it's the number the testsuite gets
[23:00] <knome> oh
[23:00] <knome> then fail :D
[23:00] <elfy> yep :)
[23:04] <bluesabre> ah, gdmflexiserver
[23:04] <bluesabre> I think I tried to upstream that to debian, :\
[23:07] <elfy> bet you had more luck than me - Unit193 pointed me at quilt for something
[23:07] <elfy> that was hilarious ...
[23:07] <bluesabre> :)
[23:07] <bluesabre> quilt's not too bad
[23:08] <bluesabre> just gotta get it set up right the .quiltrc
[23:08] <elfy> right - I just some bizarre message about something being under the quilt
[23:08] <elfy> gave up lol
[23:08] <bluesabre> lol
[23:09] <elfy> I can cope with the ridiculous spelling of relevant in zsync ;)
[23:09] <elfy> really - people should just check stuff before feeding it to the world :D
[23:10] <slickymaster> elfy, can I be lazy and not read the backlog to ask you what is the meaning of "with slickymaster"?
[23:11] <elfy> yep - you can
[23:12] <slickymaster> and... ?
[23:12] <elfy> I wanted knome to listen to me - so while I was sorting out that - you got included - you can ignore it :)
[23:13] <elfy> as long as you're not worried about Singalese only being at 1% :D
[23:13] <slickymaster> :)
[23:13] <elfy> I actually meant Sindarin - but it's too late now ;)
[23:13]  * slickymaster doesn't even know which country speak that idiom
[23:14] <slickymaster> shame on slickymaster
[23:14] <elfy> I'm really pleased - it's not a real one afaik :D
[23:14] <slickymaster> lol
[23:14] <slickymaster> bluesabre, did you saw my almost ping to you?
[23:15] <slickymaster> elfy, now I'm curious and I'll have to read the backlog :P
[23:16] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hah, know on what grounds?  And if that got rejected, what do you think the chances are http://paste.openstack.org/show/Grg85pTS8C5fl0uPMVUU/ would too? :P
[23:19] <bluesabre> slickymaster: yeah, not quite sure how that project has its translations set up... going to poke it tonight
[23:20]  * slickymaster bows to bluesabre
[23:20] <bluesabre> Unit193: it might have been one of those things Corsac ignored or forgot :)
[23:20] <slickymaster> brainwash and brainvvash, done
[23:22] <slickymaster> knome, do you have any idea on how lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings has its translations set?
[23:23] <knome> why would i?
[23:23] <knome> ;)
[23:24] <slickymaster> because fi one manages to be 100% complete knome, and you use to make use of poedit, not Rosetta knome :P
[23:25] <slickymaster> btw pleia2, did you get disclose in our media channels https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010666.html
[23:25] <slickymaster> ?
[23:25] <pleia2> slickymaster: no, sorry, on it now
[23:25] <knome> slickymaster, i translated the missing few strings via LP
[23:25] <knome> pleia2, i tweeted
[23:25] <slickymaster> thanks pleia2 :)
[23:25] <pleia2> knome: thanks
[23:25] <slickymaster> knome, saw my answer to why would you>?
[23:26] <knome> slickymaster, what?
[23:26] <knome> you lost me...
[23:26] <elfy> pleia2: prior warning of a package test push after 4.12
[23:26] <slickymaster> because fi one manages to be 100% complete knome, and you use to make use of poedit, not Rosetta knome :P
[23:26] <elfy> pleia2: I'll mkae sure to send to -testers though
[23:26] <knome> slickymaster, yes, but i used rosetta this time
[23:26] <slickymaster> on the lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings translations
[23:27] <knome> slickymaster, it's possible i did the earlier ones via LP too
[23:27] <slickymaster> bahhhh knome
[23:27] <knome> :)
[23:27] <slickymaster> now you let me down
[23:27] <knome> haha
[23:27] <knome> i can try to look at it in a minute
[23:27]  * slickymaster thinks he'll have to copy paste his poedit file into LP during the weekend :P
[23:28] <knome> https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/trunk/+pots/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/pt/+upload ?
[23:28] <knome> slickymaster, ^
[23:29] <knome> if you did that, as it looks like, then somebody needs to approve that
[23:29] <knome> i can't
[23:29] <knome> but i'm relatively positive bluesabre can
[23:29] <pleia2> ok, all social mediaed
[23:29] <slickymaster> I did knome, and my file is sitting in the import queue -> https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/trunk/+imports
[23:30] <slickymaster> thing is I don't have the permissions to set it as imported
[23:30] <slickymaster> thanks for that pleia2
[23:30] <pleia2> elfy: brain explode, I'll read+process when it goes to testers :)
[23:30] <knome> slickymaster, likely because you aren't a member of the owner/driver
[23:30] <pleia2> also need to make a note to tell people about stickers again on monday for March fun times
[23:31] <slickymaster> exactly, ochosi os
[23:31] <pleia2> it's March now, right?
[23:31] <knome> pleia2, yes... for 14 days
[23:31] <elfy> pleia2: yep
[23:31] <slickymaster> but is in the dark regarding that knome
[23:31] <slickymaster> ochosi, I mean
[23:31] <knome> slickymaster, i'm sure the owner can approve as well.
[23:31] <knome> slickymaster, the owner is a team where for example bluesabre belongs
[23:32] <slickymaster> that's what I'm telling you knome, the project driver is ochosi
[23:32] <knome> yes...
[23:32] <knome> so can't bluesabre approve it?
[23:32] <slickymaster> bluesabre doesn't know, ochosi doesn't knome
[23:32] <bluesabre> I can approve it
[23:32] <slickymaster> lol know
[23:32] <bluesabre> but is the filename wrong?
[23:32] <bluesabre> or was that generated by lp?
[23:32] <slickymaster> no, bluesabre
[23:32] <slickymaster> why you ask that?
[23:32] <knome> bluesabre, probably generated by LP
[23:33] <bluesabre> usually its just pt.po
[23:33] <bluesabre> I'll approve it
[23:33] <bluesabre> we'll see what lp does then
[23:33] <knome> bluesabre, i would imagine there is only one translation template, and as long as you select the right language, you're fine.
[23:33] <bluesabre> http://i.imgur.com/td0GTDc.png
[23:34] <slickymaster> that's the one bluesabre
[23:34] <knome> yep
[23:34] <bluesabre> marked approved, it should probably sync sometime soon
[23:34] <slickymaster> lol, is it me or all this seemed a conversation of madmen
[23:34] <slickymaster> thanks bluesabre
[23:35] <bluesabre> we're all madmen
[23:35] <bluesabre> (and women)
[23:35] <slickymaster> great, it's imported now bluesabre
[23:35] <bluesabre> sweet
[23:35] <slickymaster> thanks
[23:35] <bluesabre> np
[23:35] <knome> bluesabre, not mad men?
[23:35] <bluesabre> that's ochosi
[23:36] <knome> only him? :(
[23:36] <bluesabre> :P
[23:36] <bluesabre> knome: you seem pretty sane most of the time
[23:36] <bluesabre> except on -offtopic
[23:36] <knome> bluesabre, you didn't get the reference?
[23:37] <knome> bluesabre, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0804503/
[23:37]  * bluesabre doesn't get references
[23:37] <slickymaster> lame  knome
[23:37] <slickymaster> not the TV show
[23:37] <bluesabre> haven't seen that
[23:37] <knome> slickymaster, lame? it's a great tv show
[23:38] <slickymaster> I said, not the TV show
[23:38] <slickymaster> the obvious reference


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