[07:44] <James0r> does this channel serve as a help channel for Lubuntu users?
[07:49] <Noskcaj> James0r, that is it's purpose
[07:53] <James0r> Awesome. Well, I'm a new Linux user on Linux Mint 15 Mate, I'm looking to try Lubuntu 13.04 xfce
[07:54] <James0r> i got a netbook and hoping to find something pretty lightweight
[07:54] <James0r> saw that i might have wireless network adaptor issues after install
[07:55] <James0r> how difficult should it be to get it going after install?
[08:07] <superman> how to open startup applications
[08:08] <bioterro1> superman: looking for something like this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_into_Desktop ?
[08:09] <bioterro1> seems like there's nowdays too many clicks on the wiki, job well done!
[08:11] <superman> bioterro1, is there not a simple gui for this?
[08:11] <superman> i know linux mint and ubuntu have one
[08:17] <bioterro1> it's relative to what you have got used to
[08:17] <superman> also, how do you set up keyboard shortcuts, set up extended display, is there also a simple way to change the login theme?
[08:26] <superman> bioterro1, have you heard of LXLE?
[08:26] <superman> it seems like a better version of Lubuntu which only focused on Ubuntu LTS versions
[08:26] <superman> the pre-installed apps are nice conky, minitube, firefox, openshot, libreoffice, gimp.... etc it is fully functional out of the box for the general public, but it is still based on lubuntu and thus missing simple things like setting up keyboard shortcuts, extended display, gui start up menu... etc
[08:28] <superman> why won't the lubuntu team just join LXLE, there will be more man power and it makes more sense to just support LTS and not have to work on upgrades every 8 months or so
[10:47] <moxzie> how do i remove policy kit when i mount drive...it annoying! why does it always ask me passsword
[10:49] <moxzie> any body alive out here
[14:14] <maikiro> Hey all, Anyone advise how to config x-chat to connect to Freenode then this channel automatically?
[14:19] <SonikkuAmerica> maikiro: Try asking in #xchat , it's a more relevant channel (esp. because Lubuntu doesn't carry XChat by default) :)
[14:24] <maikiro> ok ta..
[17:06] <meet> Hi. I shared a folder from the right click option from ubuntu. That folder contains multiple other folders. When I tried accessing it from a lubuntu machine, i got an error while opening an inside folder. What went wrong?
[17:11] <ianorlin> was the inside folder shared?
[17:13] <meet> ianorlin, no.
[17:14] <meet> I just right clicked parent folder and clicked share.
[17:14] <superman> is it fine to completely remove the google browser Chromium? it says it will also remove lubuntu-desktop
[17:16] <meet> superman, it is fine. I removed it from mine.
[17:16] <superman> even if it says it will remove lubuntu-desktop?
[17:17] <meet> yes
[17:17] <Myrtti> lubuntu-desktop is a pseudo package
[17:17] <Myrtti> it will not remove anything else.
[17:17] <superman> ok thanks
[17:17] <Myrtti> the lack of lubuntu-desktop will come to play when you're upgrading your lubuntu
[17:17] <Myrtti> ie. from one version to another
[17:18] <superman> btw, i thought the new lubuntu comes with FireFox instead of Chromium
[17:18] <Myrtti> before you do that, reinstall it. It will (probably) pull chromium back in, but you can uninstall it once you're done with the upgrade
[17:18] <ianorlin> you could try sharing the child folder and see if it goes away in ubuntu
[17:20] <meet> ianorlin, but then that will show up separetely on the network. O dont want that
[17:20] <ianorlin> ah
[17:20] <ianorlin> nevermind then
[17:25] <superman> kudos to the one man developer who is developing LXDE on his spare time
[17:43] <ianorlin> is there a way to get the panel at the bottom to say the date without a mousover of the clock?
[18:00] <ianorlin> nevermind found out how to do it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CustomizingTheClock
[18:54] <nipi> hello. could someone help with connecting to a vpn please? I've got it set up in Network Connections, but how do I actually connect to it?
[18:55] <SonikkuAmerica> !vpn | With any luck...
[18:56] <nipi> I'm on lubuntu 12.04, and that ends in 10.04 :(
[18:56] <SonikkuAmerica> nipi: VPN should be usable outta the box.
[18:57] <nipi> how? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNClient for example talks about opening a network SonikkuAmerica manager applet and clicking on the connection, but I can't find the applet
[18:58] <SonikkuAmerica> That was for 6.10
[18:58] <SonikkuAmerica> In the Lubuntu network manager (== the XFCE network manager), you go down to VPN Connections and select the VPN network you have configured.
[18:59] <SonikkuAmerica> If that doesn't work, make sure "Automatically connect to VPN" is checked on whatever connection it's set up on, and use that from the network manager menu.
[19:03] <nipi> wonder if I'm looking in the wrong place. it's like in https://lh3.ggpht.com/_NXe-USYSZmU/TIjCxcn1ZuI/AAAAAAAADXU/QnwyfBk4ryw/s1600/Screenshot-Network+Connections.png
[19:03] <nipi> just clicking on the created vpn has no effect, and double click is the same as Edit
[19:04] <nipi> connecting automatically might be an option, though I'd prefer being able to choose when I want to connect, if possible...
[19:05] <SonikkuAmerica> nipi: If that's your network manager, try this: http://geekyprojects.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-vpn-connection/
[19:06] <nipi> I don't have a network connection icon. is that another applet that needs to be added from somewhere?
[19:10] <SonikkuAmerica> nipi: If you don't have a network connection icon (a set of up and down arrows or a Wi-Fi fan-out), you may have a corrupted install.
[19:11] <nipi> great...
[19:12] <canin> check the icon is even listed in the panel settings
[19:15] <nipi> there's Network Status Monitor and Manage Networks applets in there, but neither of them have a vpn menu like in the ubuntu screenshots
[19:38] <ianorlin> isn't it also listed under prefrences on the menu
[19:41] <nipi> Network Connections is, but it can only add, remove and edit connections, not actually connect
[19:41] <ianorlin> don't you have to add a connection first?
[19:41] <nipi> yes, through Network Connections
[20:04] <nipi> turns out that there's a bug in 12.04 and the icon is blank. if I click next to the empty area next to the volume icon, I get a vpn connections menu! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/936421
[21:41] <taoseeker> hi superman
[21:41] <superman_> hi
[21:41] <superman_> how do i add a startup application
[21:42] <taoseeker> I have to boot my lubuntu computer
[21:43] <superman_> i want to start something located in /usr/bin/ but lubuntu does not have the same add/remove StartUp Application gui
[21:44] <superman_> is there any way i can install the startup GUI from Ubuntu?
[21:45] <holstein> sure, but it wont do anything superman_
[21:45] <holstein> http://superuser.com/questions/146457/how-do-i-add-startup-applications-in-lubuntu-lxde
[21:45] <holstein> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart
[21:51] <superman_> holstein, so instead of putting the executable file in /usr/bin/ i put it in ~/.config/autostart ?
[21:52] <holstein> superman_: i use openbox.. and i have an autostart config
[21:52] <holstein> i dont put any "executable".. just commands to run
[21:54] <superman_> i'm assuming Type=Application, but i'm not sure about the second command Exec=wicd-client -n, do i replace it with just the location of the file?
[21:55] <lethargicLion> help
[21:55] <holstein> superman_: Add the @skype line in the /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart or /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart file. Refer to LXSession for more information.
[21:55] <holstein> for example.. to autostart skype
[21:55] <holstein> as per the instructions http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart
[21:56] <holstein> making your own autostart, from http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Autostart for example
[21:56] <holstein> the target will be the lxde session, not openbox
[21:57] <lethargicLion> I have a text file with a few hundred lines of text that looks like this-> 7/11/13  123456789         going all the way down to the bottom, how do i cat | cut all the dates out of this text file? and also any number that comes after the middle set of numbers?
[21:57] <superman_> when using the Ubuntu startup gui all i do is name the startup and select the file location
[21:58] <holstein> superman_: sure, and you might prefer unity
[21:58] <holstein> superman_: there are certain "advantages" and GUI's that require overhead
[21:58] <holstein> superman_: the gui is not going to add entries to lxsession.. so you can install it, but it wont do anything
[21:58] <holstein> superman_: what do i do? i create a custom autostart file.. it looks like the ones i linked
[21:59] <superman_> yeah, i'm looking at the lxrandr coding and all i'm confused about is the Exec commands
[21:59] <holstein> superman_: sure
[21:59] <holstein> superman_: so dont use it
[22:00] <holstein> superman_: do it the way i suggested
[22:00] <holstein> making an autostart and adding what you need to is
[22:00] <holstein> it*
[22:12] <superman_> holstein, do you happen to know how to disable Zeitgeist on startup in lubuntu?
[22:14] <Unit193> Could just purge it.
[22:17] <superman_> Unit193, i'm thinking that Zeitgeist might be too intertwined ubuntu and don't want to mess anything up, so disabling on startup is fine
[22:20] <Unit193> http://www.staldal.nu/tech/2011/10/27/how-to-disable-activity-logging-in-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-ozelot/ but I just purge the thing myself.
[22:21] <superman_> yeah, i found this regarding Zeitgeist and such http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2000108
[22:33] <superman_> are there privacy settings in lubuntu like there are in ubuntu?
[22:34] <superman_> Unit193, did you purge it from ubuntu or lubuntu?
[22:42] <holstein> superman_: if i were worried about privacy, zietgiest wouldnt be on my radar
[22:42] <holstein> superman_: purge it if you have issues, but a machine not running zietgiest is not a "safe" one
[22:42] <holstein> you still have the network to deal with
[22:42] <superman_> i don't think zeitgeist is on lubuntu, which is why it is lightweight, am i wrong?
[22:42] <holstein> i dont think you are wrong
[22:43] <holstein> its just, is zeitgeist heavy?
[22:43] <superman_> i'm assuming it is
[22:43] <holstein> why?
[22:44] <holstein> superman_: try ubuntu live.. install it, check it out
[22:44] <holstein> if you dont need/want it, dont use it
[22:46] <superman_> i actually tried it out on the linux mint then disabled it in the startup app gui, everything was working just fine afterwards
[22:58] <superman_> lubuntu being lightweight means better privacy and ultimately security, whilst still being fully functional
[22:58] <holstein> superman_: where do you get that?
[22:59] <holstein> that is not a by-product of lightness
[23:00] <superman_> zeitgeist is a good example
[23:00] <holstein> sure is
[23:00] <holstein> it has *nothing* to do with security
[23:00] <holstein> or lightness
[23:00] <holstein> you might find the machine more "responsive" if you remove it, but that could be said for anything
[23:00] <holstein> its always a balance
[23:01] <holstein> you might prefer it not to be "spying" on you, or whatever the rationale is .. but it does what it does
[23:01] <holstein> i mean, lubuntu ships with a lighter file manager as well, but that has nothing to do with security
[23:02] <holstein> to assume light = secure is to be setup for an error in your thinking
[23:05] <superman_> i would think a lightweight distro not logging everything you do on your computer from the files you use, to the webpages you visit, to the people you communicate with, would mean better privacy and security for you
[23:05] <holstein> sure.. so dont use it
[23:05] <holstein> but, to assume a lightweight distro is not doing that, and not checking for ones self is to miss the point
[23:06] <holstein> is lubunt doint that? of course not.. but unsafe does not = heavy
[23:07] <superman_> less features or apps, less possible vulnerabilities
[23:09] <holstein> superman_: in theory, but that is not something that can be assumed
[23:09] <holstein> superman_: let me be clear.. assume that if you want, and i literally have no opinion.. the fact is, it *is* an assumption, and it is not always true
[23:10] <holstein> you could have *nothing* installed except an old vulnerable kernel and an ftp server
[23:10] <holstein> that is *quite* light.. and has very few packages
[23:11] <holstein> but, much more vulnerable than stock ubuntu 13.04 out of the box with zietgiest running
[23:11] <superman_> true, but it is easier to maintain the security of a simpler lighter distro
[23:12] <holstein> "easier" is also a matter of opinion
[23:12] <holstein> so is simpler, in some regards.. simpler could be what one is more familiar with
[23:12] <holstein> i am not interested in, nor trying to argue.. just not going to agree with things stated as fact that are not
[23:13] <holstein> i mean, *all* ubuntu versions and debian based systems can be updated the same way.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".. that will be not easier, or more challenging on lighter or heavier OS's. it will be *exactly* the same


[00:36] <thumper> jose-phillips: the tags in the charm metadata are only for finding related things in the charm store
[00:36] <thumper> they aren't used for deployment at all
[11:41] <gunix> stokachu: i have some questions regarding kubernetes
[15:34] <stokachu> gunix: go for it
[15:48] <bobeo> hey guys! made a change via juju with juju configure osd osd-devices='devices names' and it updated my osds, but now my ceph mons keep showing error due to the changes. rebooted them, but they still didnt correct. Is it broken, or do I need to clear the error?
[17:53] <bobeo> how do I find all the options a spcific charm has
[17:54] <bobeo> I am specifically looking to see al the juju config options I have available to me with the openstack base charm
[17:54] <hml> you can find on the charm’s page in the charm store
[17:55] <hml> or if it’s installed… with juju config <application>
[17:55] <bobeo> hml: I dunno. im there now. all it has is the ability to expand on the current server counts, and a few modest options wth additional features
[17:55] <bobeo> hml: yea I tried that. juju config ceph-osd
[17:55] <bobeo> but it didnt tell me the options available to ceph-osd
[17:55] <hml> openstack-base is a bundle
[17:55] <hml> so most of the setup is done
[17:55] <bobeo> ignore me
[17:55] <bobeo> I forgot to hit <enter>
[17:56] <hml> :-)
[17:56] <bobeo> im a special case today :(
[17:56] <bobeo> Im so tired. we are so close on this project, and three last minute work stops
[17:56] <hml> that’s never fun
[17:56] <bobeo> first was the firewall almost being eaten, then the firewall being pissy, understably mind you. id be mad bro too if you tried to eat me. now console access isnt loading for openstack instances
[17:57] <bobeo> i feel like im missing somethn small, but its major if forgotten.
[17:58] <hml> i’d check with the openstack-charms folks perhaps?
[17:59] <bobeo> I wish we could just cut a check to get this last piece finished
[17:59] <bobeo> we are all so tired x...x
[18:15] <gunix> stokachu: do you have any tutorial about deploying kubernetes on bare metal, with dedicated management network and nic redundancy?
[18:58] <stokachu> tvansteenburgh: ryebot kjackal knobby ^
[18:59] <ryebot> gunix: No, nothing that specific. Have you attempted on your bare metal cluster with MAAS+CDK and run into a problem?
[19:32] <magicaltrout> graping at straws here "container runtime is down,PLEG is not healthy"
[19:33] <magicaltrout> anyone seen that on a CDK install?
[20:41] <gunix> ryebot: no, we are planning to run openstack bare metal and kube on top of that just because it is easy to implement
[20:41] <gunix> but kube bare metal is far better
[20:43] <ryebot> gunix: Alright. Well, best I can advise is to try out our standard installation and let us know if you run into any issues.
[20:44] <ryebot> magicaltrout: No; is that an error from kubelet?
[20:44] <gunix> ryebot: what do you mean by standard installation?
[20:44] <ryebot> gunix: https://jujucharms.com/canonical-kubernetes/
[20:45] <gunix> i tried the lxd one
[20:45] <gunix> but some of the stuff failed after intall, so i tried rancher instead
[20:45] <ryebot> What stuff failed?
[20:46] <gunix> I can't remember exactly, it was about a month ago
[20:46] <gunix> kubernetes deployed but i think grafana or heapster failed, or both
[20:47] <ryebot> gunix: If you try it again and still hit issues, flag me down and I'll try to help you out.
[20:47] <gunix> and it displayed a few links with stuff, like stuff you could access through kubernetes proxy, but none of the links work :D


[09:09] <aftertaf> hi all.... any info on wifi with prism54 cards?
[09:09] <aftertaf> i have no wifi anymore
[09:12] <aftertaf> SIOCSIFADDR: no such device
[09:12] <aftertaf> eth 1: ERROR while getting interface flags
[09:13] <aftertaf> and when i search for modules for prism, i dont see any above <IP_ADDRESS> in lib/modules/[kernel]
[09:32] <gnomefreak> aftertaf: feisty support is in #ubuntu now
[09:33] <aftertaf> i know. but i'm on gutsy
[09:33] <aftertaf> because i could never  boot to the stable feisty kernel
[09:33] <gnomefreak> aftertaf: not with that kernel your not
[09:33] <aftertaf> so u upgraded and have tried 22-1,2,3,4 and have similar problems
[09:33] <aftertaf> im on 22-3 right now
[09:33] <gnomefreak> lowest gutsy kernel is 2.6.20-15
[09:34] <gnomefreak> ah
[09:34] <aftertaf> but still...... no modules available.
[09:34] <gnomefreak> aftertaf: you do know that kernel isnt complete right?
[09:34] <aftertaf> which can explain why it aint modprobing.....
[09:34] <gnomefreak> aftertaf: when its complete you will get upgrade notification
[09:35] <aftertaf> yeah, but even when i revert to older kernel (feisty dev kernel) i dont have wifi anymore
[09:35] <aftertaf> 2.6.20-13 is the last working kernel on my machine... working as in wifi ok and PC boots ok.
[09:35] <gnomefreak> aftertaf: because the drivers you need are in the parts of the kernel that are not complete.
[09:35] <aftertaf> d'oh .... :)
[09:36] <gnomefreak> 2.6.20-15 == gutsy kernel in gutsy
[09:36] <aftertaf> thats a good explanation, in any case...
[09:36] <aftertaf> 20-15 is the stable feisty too, right?
[09:36] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:36] <gnomefreak> notice you have 2.6.22 restricted modules package installed also
[09:37] <aftertaf> because it justes freezes on my PC like a lot of the dev kernels did too... hangs on boot (due to SATA problem i think)
[09:37] <gnomefreak> right where wifi drivers are held (unless they moved)
[09:37] <aftertaf> ..restricted..;, yes I do
[09:38] <gnomefreak> aftertaf: what your seeing is normal on devel systems it has been like that in all since breezy (atleast since ive been using devel versions) they are normally fixed by alpha 1-2
[09:39] <aftertaf> i think i upgraded a little early, but i was hoping the kernel would work better than the feisty release version
[09:39] <aftertaf> ok... but what is weird is that stable feisty wont boot either
[09:39] <gnomefreak> aftertaf: way too early
[09:39] <aftertaf> (me too for unstable.... i like the danger... it's good to learn...)
[09:39] <aftertaf> wayyyyyyyyyy :)
[09:39] <gnomefreak> aftertaf: that is your system
[09:39] <aftertaf> yeah, but.....
[09:39] <gnomefreak> im using the 2.6.20-15 fine here
[09:41] <aftertaf> i have a sata controller that i dont use in my PC, and since the first 2.6.19-kernels in development feisty it  wouldnt boot
[09:41] <gnomefreak> brb smoke while upload finishes
[09:42] <aftertaf> i found info from ben collins about a code change in the kernel to fix it, they did it.... and it seems they rolled back on it for stable ... :/
[09:42] <aftertaf> me too. cig :)
[09:42] <aftertaf> top o' tha mornin' ompaul :)
[09:48] <ompaul> mornin
[09:49] <gnomefreak> morning
[09:51] <aftertaf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106864
[09:52] <aftertaf> resumes my feisty problem
[09:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106864 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty boot fail "can't access tty" IDE SATA problem" [High,Confirmed]
[09:52] <aftertaf> (also with 22-1 and 22-4)
[09:52] <gnomefreak> not 22-5?
[09:57] <aftertaf> not ttried yet
[09:57] <aftertaf> i have to move my router to put a lan cable
[09:57] <aftertaf> no wifi.... remember? :)
[09:58] <aftertaf> damn, never rolled that cigarette.....
[09:58] <aftertaf> trying the piix initramfs solution
[10:02] <aftertaf> hey... looking good :)
[10:03] <gnomefreak> ha
[10:04] <gnomefreak> oops sorry
[10:04] <gnomefreak> glad you got it working
[10:04] <aftertaf> not yet working, but looking like module is loaded
[10:09] <aftertaf> ok, still failing to bring up wifi
[10:09] <aftertaf> and control center is showing no devices.....
[10:13] <aftertaf> now no dhcp being offered.
[10:13] <aftertaf> like i cant activate wep or anything
[10:14] <aftertaf> and what is wmaster0 ?
[10:23] <aftertaf> ok. it is loading the driver but i cant get wifi working... maybe some remnants of gutsy?
[10:24] <aftertaf> can i auto drop back to feisty packages?
[10:36] <SmokeyD> hey people. Does anybody know when mozilla thunderbird will be put in Ubuntu? And Is Mozilla SUnbird going to be incorporated in Ubuntu?
[10:38] <crimsun> mozilla-thunderbird has been in Ubuntu since Warty.
[10:39] <crimsun> Are you meaning to ask about TB v2?
[10:39] <SmokeyD> yeah
[10:39] <SmokeyD> sorry
[10:39] <SmokeyD> typo
[10:39] <SmokeyD> :)
[10:39] <crimsun> thunderbird is already in Ubuntu gutsy.
[10:40] <crimsun> there is no ETA on a backport to stable releases.
[10:40] <SmokeyD> ok
[10:40] <SmokeyD> cool
[10:40] <SmokeyD> will updates to TB v2 also become available for feisty? Or should I wait for Gutsy to become stable
[10:41] <crimsun> < crimsun> there is no ETA on a backport to stable releases.
[10:41] <SmokeyD> oops
[10:41] <SmokeyD> sorry
[10:42] <SmokeyD> :) I should read better
[10:44] <julo> hi
[10:46] <gnomefreak> not yet decided if/when it will happen
[10:46] <gnomefreak> SmokeyD: we are looking at sunbird but we are waiting for them to use stable tree instead of trunk
[10:47] <gnomefreak> maybe .5 in gutsy
[10:47] <SmokeyD> ok cool
[10:47] <SmokeyD> it has some nice plugins and stuff. For synchronizing google calendar, opensync, etc. And is cross platform unlike evolution :)
[10:48] <gnomefreak> SmokeyD: there is a testing repo with tb2 in it for feisty
[10:48] <SmokeyD> hmm, ok. Which is it?
[10:48] <SmokeyD> So I can test it
[10:48] <SmokeyD> :)
[10:49] <gnomefreak> !moztest
[10:49] <ubotu> The Mozilla-testing repos can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives. Please remember these are testing repos, the packages in these repos are not stable and may break things on your system. Use with caution. Please report bugs found from these packages to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives/Bugs.
[10:49] <SmokeyD> ok
[10:49] <SmokeyD> cool
[10:49] <SmokeyD> didn't know about that
[10:50] <gnomefreak> SmokeyD: reminder we have new build of ff and nss and nspr in there so they will want to upgrade. should be fairly safe. me and a bunch of others are running it and all works good
[10:50] <SmokeyD> cool
[10:51] <SmokeyD> thanks a lot
[10:51] <gnomefreak> yw
[10:51] <SmokeyD> I will test it and report if I find anything
[10:51] <gnomefreak> SmokeyD: firefox-trunk might be one you might want too
[10:51] <gnomefreak> its in there as well
[02:27] <SmokeyD> Hey people, am I correct to assume that thunderbird_<IP_ADDRESS>-0.mt1_i386.deb is not available on http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing because it is work in progress and thus TB2 is not available for testing yet for feisty?
[02:27] <SmokeyD> for amd64
[02:31] <Tomcat_> SmokeyD: feisty is in #ubuntu, and it has TB 1.5.
[02:32] <Tomcat_> SmokeyD: About third party repos, you better ask the maintainers of that repo... :-)
[02:33] <Hobbsee> !moztest
[02:33] <ubotu> The Mozilla-testing repos can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives. Please remember these are testing repos, the packages in these repos are not stable and may break things on your system. Use with caution. Please report bugs found from these packages to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives/Bugs.
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Tomcat_: ^
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Tomcat_: so they're kinda official
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Tomcat_: more to the point, the packages will move and become official
[02:36] <SmokeyD> yeah, I was testing them. But can't install them on amd64 since the thunderbird_<IP_ADDRESS>-0.mt1 package is not available for amd64 yet.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> you cant on feisty anyway, iirc.
[02:39] <Tomcat_> Hobbsee: Alright, thanks... so they will backport TB 2.0 into feisty? o_O
[02:39] <Hobbsee> perhaps
[05:40] <gortiz> is yet a way to make fglrx works?
[10:04] <Qaldune> hi there


[19:13] <debron> hello
[19:14]  * tomreyn waves
[19:14] <debron> So i always loved linux, but used to play games often, not so much lately, plus, i bought PS4 , so there is no reason for me to be on windows now
[19:16] <debron> xD so i was in middle of a React course, im learning through video-guide, since i felt a bit lazy to study the old way lately , im starting to be old, and i was wondering how would be to move to debian or ubuntu now, and continue the course there
[19:16] <debron> since its quite long and good one, from Udemy
[19:16] <debron> react redux firestore
[19:17] <debron> its building an app with those, quite interesting for me , the language i have used most is php ( yeah... i know :(   )
[19:17] <debron> so, im trying to refresh myself with new stuff
[19:18] <debron> so, hello all, maybe you see me around here asking some stuff... and if I could add something i gladly will. but probably I will be more like a leecher :/ since I understand I am a very rookie
[19:18] <tomreyn> to me personally php -> javascript would feel like a downgrade, even though php is already at the bottom. ;-)
[19:19] <debron> if you want i can paste some guitar blues solo's every now and then.. heheh
[19:19] <debron> really? hehe
[19:19] <debron> well, some person bought this course for me, i have some chances to be hired by him
[19:19] <debron> maybe later i could learn some Lisp, lot of people talks wonderfull about it
[19:20] <debron> but tbh i never did system level development, always web applications
[19:20] <debron> except strings operations, i did some software in ANSI C with that
[19:20] <tomreyn> for javascript development you'll want npm, i guess, did you setup a develpoment environment, yet?
[19:20] <debron> analysing html tags inside files , looking for info that was interesting for me, and taking those elements to a output text file
[19:20] <debron> something like that
[19:21] <debron> yeah in windows im using visual studio code, npm
[19:21] <debron> and npm*
[19:22] <debron> im using the semantic-ui stuff, redux for centralized data between components, and then i guess will be firebase as storage
[19:22] <debron> firestore*
[19:22] <debron> but monday ill buy a SSD for linux installation
[19:23] <debron> there are so much files i would need to save from this installation, and i do not have storage to save all those, so i wont destroy this current
[19:23] <debron> ill just buy 38€ SSD of 240 GB and install some linux distro there, ubuntu or debian
[19:23] <debron> not sure yet
[19:25] <debron> I know how to use vim, and also emacs (40% lol , emacs its complicated, but i learned how to move for the basics)
[19:25] <debron> but , im not sure if I should use one of those IDE's in linux
[19:25] <debron> i could still using visual studio code even in linux i believe, for this course at least
[19:26] <tomreyn> yes, it's available
[19:27] <debron> what would be a good language to AIM ?
[19:28] <debron> for all kind of things?
[19:28] <debron> C++ or python?
[19:28] <tomreyn> maybe that's more a question for ##programming
[19:28] <debron> true..
[19:28] <tomreyn> !alis
[19:28] <debron> thanks
[19:29] <tomreyn> you're welcome!


[00:28] <infinity> Logan_: That just looks like maybe a missing build-dep?
[00:29] <infinity> checking for dbi_close in -ldbi... no
[00:29] <infinity> configure: WARNING: libdbi.so not found
[00:29] <infinity> dh_install: ulogd2-dbi missing files (debian/tmp/usr/lib/*/ulogd/ulogd_output_DBI.so), aborting
[00:29] <infinity> Logan_: As in, it's not building that plugin cause it's not finding the library it wants.
[00:29] <infinity> Logan_: So, perhaps a build-dep dropped a dependency that you were pulling in implicitly.
[00:30] <infinity> Logan_: If that's not reproducible on x86, let me know, and we'll see if maybe something broke on ppc64el.
[00:30] <infinity> Hrm, although I do see libdbi-dev libdbi1 in the installed deps.
[00:30] <infinity> So maybe it's broken.
[06:38] <infinity> Logan_: That ulogd2 FTBFS was because of the new libdbi.
[06:38] <infinity> Logan_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ppc/+bug/1281893
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[08:26] <ochosi> morning dholbach
[08:28] <ochosi> dholbach: in case you have some sponsoring-minutes and want to help out xubuntu again (haven't forgotten how much you helped us during saucy! :)), this would be very helpful
[08:28] <ochosi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/light-locker-settings/+bug/1281536
[08:38] <dholbach> ochosi, I'll have it open in my browser, but I'm going to be very very busy today, so I can't promise I'll get to it very soon
[08:39] <ESphynx> is there still hope for me to make it before the FF :P
[08:39] <ESphynx> I've been trying 'really' hard to make things smooth on X11 ;)
[08:41] <dholbach> I'll send a mail about sponsoring to ubuntu-devel@
[08:55] <Noskcaj> dholbach, Would i be worth me making an ubuntu upload of xsane or gambc, since i'm trying to adopt both in debian, and they are outdated (gambc by 5 years)
[08:58] <Unit193> Heh, I was hoping my two would make it in, but guessing not (well, one might for bugfix since it's unity related)
[09:04] <dholbach> Noskcaj, I'll leave the decision to you - I don't know the packages very well
[10:08] <ochosi> thanks for trying dholbach !
[10:09] <ochosi> dholbach: and yeah, i'm aware it's gonna be a busy day, so even your reply is much appreciated
[10:11] <dholbach> you can ask in #ubuntu-devel as well and see if there's a patch pilot mentioned in the topic
[12:58] <frafu> Hi, Could anybody please help me with a distutils-extra packaging question? The Onboard software is a python package that uses distutils-extra and some custom xml files with strings that need translations. We have a script, that fetches the relevant strings and that puts them into a python file to get fetched for inclusion into the pot file. The ideal would be that the script gets called, and produces the python file with the strings. T
[12:58] <frafu> hen the strings should be merged to the pot file. Finally, the python file should be deleted. Can anybody please tell me how to best achieve this? Does the build_i18n command provide hooks to call scripts before and after its execution?
[12:58] <frafu> If there is a better way to get the strings from the custom xml file into the pot, I would also be interested to know about it.
[14:11] <tsmithe> Hi -- I've produced a (lintian
[14:11] <tsmithe> hmm
[14:12] <tsmithe> I've produced a (lintian-clean) package which would be useful to have in the LTS -- is there any chance of getting it sponsored? I know the freeze is tomorrow...
[14:16] <mitya57> tsmithe: Is it in the sponsoring queue?
[14:17] <tsmithe> mitya57, not yet...
[14:17] <mitya57> Then please add it there (by subscribing ubuntu-sponsors to the bug)
[14:18] <tsmithe> OK. Is that all I need to do? I will read the process wiki again -- my last interaction with the procedure was back in the days of REVU
[14:19] <mitya57> Usually you should introduce new packages via Debian, but one day before FF the queue is your only chance
[14:20] <tsmithe> mitya57, yes -- i intend to introduce the package to debian for jessie, and will sync for 14.10
[14:22] <mitya57> Great!
[15:33] <ESphynx> hey guys, is there a channel dedicated to translations? :)
[15:41] <ogra_> ESphynx, dpm might know
[15:48] <Pici> ESphynx: #ubuntu-translators ?
[15:48] <ESphynx> Pici ah cool, thanks :)
[16:03] <dpm> ESphynx, yes, #ubuntu-translators
[16:05] <ESphynx> thanks


[00:24] <Mamarok> valorie: so sorry to read the sad news http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[*HUGS*]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
[00:25] <valorie> writing an obituary is bloody hard
[00:25] <valorie> thank you for the hugs
[00:25] <Mamarok> please also give my condolences to your sister and nieces and nephews, it is terrible to loose somebody
[00:26] <Mamarok> erm, no idea where that wikipedia thing go in my message, sorry, I am terrible at typing at 2 am
[00:27] <valorie> he's only about 6 months older than I am
[00:28] <valorie> so tragic that they did not get the shots
[00:28] <valorie> many of us begged them to
[00:29] <Mamarok> this is indeed sad, hopefully your sister will take them now ASAP
[00:31] <valorie> probably not
[00:31] <Mamarok> I lost both my last living aunts to the virus, and several more people I knew, some even much younger than me
[00:31] <valorie> her dementia is so bad
[00:32] <valorie> unless doctors start giving the shots and she forgets why she doesn't want it....
[00:32] <Mamarok> maybe her children can have an influence
[00:37] <valorie> most of them are trumpers too
[00:37] <valorie> although her one daughter was telling both of them to get the shot even though she is not, so.....
[05:26] <RikMills> valorie: I was chatting with clive and happened to mention this. I hope you don't mind. he sends his condolences
[06:49] <valorie> of course I don't mind
[06:50] <valorie> thank you