[01:09] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Okys ubusudo
[01:09] <bod> Okys: "passwd root"
[01:09] <Arnia> apokryphos: You wouldn't like it anyway... ;)
[01:09] <felis> Okys: sudo passwd root
[01:09] <Pyre> Okys: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:09] <Archer> Arnia: what are repositories?
[01:10] <kbrooks> sudo passwd
[01:10] <Arnia> Archer: They're how software is distributed in the Ubuntu world
[01:10] <Okys> it reckons i already have one
[01:10] <fabbione> bod: you can paste it to me if you want
[01:10] <Okys> i tried passwd root
[01:10] <Archer> Arnia: but if i can't install them during the installation, that means my OS can't run right?
[01:10] <apokryphos> Okys: check that lin; it explains it all. You should just use sudo
[01:10] <Okys> k
[01:10] <Okys> taa
[01:11] <Arnia> Archer: No, it means you won't have a bang-up-to-date system when you first reboot
[01:11] <bod> fabbione: at work, will look again tomorrow...  thanks
[01:11] <fabbione> bod: no problem...
[01:11] <bod> need to set up our local mirror anyhow
[01:11] <Archer> Arnia: oh....
[01:11] <Arnia> Archer: You can then configure it later so that it can access the internet and get the updates
[01:11] <bod> rsyncing off archive.u.o is darned slow
[01:12] <bod> wonder if I can get a push-mirror
[01:12] <fabbione> bod: ask elmo :)
[01:12] <Arnia> Archer: Repositories are used to fix bugs and security holes, to allow you to search for the best software for your needs, and to keep everything ticking over smoothly
[01:12] <fabbione> bod: there are also a list of mirrors on the wiki
[01:12] <fabbione> bod: perhaps there are some closers to you than archive
[01:13] <bod> fabbione: yah, but none of the .au ones had rsync last I looked
[01:13] <Archer> Arnia: after all those installation, it ask me for my login and password, i keyed, and it just stayed there, it dosen't go into a desktop or something, how come?
[01:13] <fabbione> bod: oh right...
[01:13] <bod> fabbione: rather one did, but they black-banned me and put a note in the motd after I snarfed 30G or so
[01:13] <Pointwood> has Hoary been released? or is it only here the website is slow?
[01:13] <fabbione> bod: lol
[01:14] <Arnia> Archer: It will need to reboot first... I can't remember the exact installer sequence though: can someone else comment? Who's installed hoary more recently than a few months ago :)
[01:14] <apokryphos> Pointwood: not yet. Friday
[01:14] <bod> fabbione: this is for a customer-facing (ISP) mirror, 2.2T
[01:14] <bod> might have to bug elmo again
[01:14] <fabbione> bod: just send a mail to admins@
[01:14] <fabbione> bod: not debian.org ;)
[01:14] <bod> fabbione: right.  ubuntulinux.org?
[01:14] <fabbione> bod: i am not even sure 100% that he is doing triggering
[01:14] <fabbione> but asking is better :)
[01:14] <Arnia> Its the wiki
[01:15] <tayar> cya
[01:15] <Arnia> ZWiki tends to chew memory out for breakfast
[01:15] <fabbione> bod: checking on the wiki.. right a sec
[01:15] <BGenesis> Hey, how do I change my graphic tablet settings in Ubuntu? It's been detected and the mouse cursor's moving, but the pen's doing all the wrong things!
[01:15] <jagera27> should i be 'putting' or 'getting. what does the prompt mean here?  lftp 02665555@home.exetel.com.au:/> put /home/nick/jagera27Home.html
[01:15] <jagera27> put: /home/nick/jagera27Home.html: No such file or directory
[01:15] <Archer> Arnia: by the way, thank you very much for the help. I'll go try out the configuring apt part first
[01:15] <bod> the other issue with this machine at work is sound (on MB) no workee....
[01:15] <bluewheel> can anyone point in me the direction of some documentation to get multi head doing on an ati7500 (laptop) ?
[01:15] <bod> anyone come across this:
[01:15] <bod> 0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corp. I/O Controller Hub Audio (rev 03)
[01:16] <fabbione> bod: sorry<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:17] <bod> fabbione: muchas gracias
[01:17] <fabbione> hmm no.. never seen that..
[01:17] <bumperland> any one get a pod cast program working ?
[01:17] <bod> new enough so as not to appear in the kernel pci tables
[01:18] <fabbione> probably
[01:18] <thoreauputic> jagera27: this is how I do it: first cd to the dir you have the file in locally, then login via lftp, cd to the right remote dir, then run ` put localfile`
[01:18] <bod> odd machine, the on-board video is a bit crappy, so I thought I'd just throw a spare AGP card in...  no dice, it has a PCI-X slot where I'm used to seeing AGP :)
[01:18] <bod> whup, dinner's ready
[01:19] <jagera27> thanks, i'll give it another go
[01:19] <andreizinca> hello. how to disable showing the mounted servers (ftp, ssh, etc) on desktop ? they already appear in Places..
[01:20] <Arnia> andreizinca: You can flip that setting in GConf
[01:20] <Arnia> andreizinca: Give me a moment and I'll find the key for you
[01:21] <andreizinca> Arnia,  thanks. because i've searched already in gconf myself, but did not find it
[01:21] <Arnia> andreizinca: /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible
[01:21] <andreizinca> Arnia, thank you very mouch
[01:21] <BGenesis> Hey, how do I change my graphic tablet settings in Ubuntu? It's been detected and the mouse cursor's moving, but the pen's doing all the wrong things!
[01:21] <Arnia> andreizinca: No problem
[01:21] <andreizinca> Arnia, much :)
[01:21] <Okys> whats the command to reconfigure my network
[01:22] <pybe> Okys, ifconfig
[01:22] <Arnia> System > Administration > Networking
[01:22] <Arnia> (for the GUI view ;)
[01:22] <Okys> everytime i go to do anything it asks for a password that i didnt set
[01:22] <Okys> Arnia thanks
[01:23] <Arnia> Okys: If you didn't set a password, use your user password
[01:23] <njan> Okys, it'll be asking you for your user password
[01:23] <njan> bah :p
[01:23] <Okys> Arnia, njan taa
[01:24] <nexus-> geez
[01:24] <nexus-> getting wpa to run on ubuntu is such a giant pita
[01:24] <nexus-> anyone had any luck?
[01:25] <Arnia> njan: Faster next time :)
[01:25] <Okys> whats lo exactly, im trying to find my wireless
[01:25] <kbrooks> loopback
[01:26] <Okys> right
[01:26] <njan> Arnia, I'm sharing my office with a Canadian who keeps distracting me.. it isn't my fault :p
[01:26] <BGenesis> How do I configure what the different actions from my graphics tablet pen does?
[01:26] <Arnia> njan: And I've been awake for 24 hours and am still coding... so? ;)
[01:26] <njan> BGenesis, I would guess that if the buttons aren't working correctly, it's an x configuration issue..
[01:26] <Okys> ive had my wireless working in debian therefore am i correct in my assumption that it should work in ubuntu
[01:26] <BGenesis> njan... well, can I change them? ^^
[01:27] <njan> BGenesis, ..if I were you I'd either play around with the pointer settings for your tablet or google for someone else who's documented getting linux to work with your tablet and see what they changed to make it work
[01:27] <Arnia> Okys: Ubuntu managed to detect my wireless perfectly
[01:27] <BGenesis> Thanks njan
[01:27] <njan> BGenesis, sure! /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 if you're in warty, /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you're in hoary
[01:27] <Okys> Arnia whats the command to get it to recheck
[01:27] <Elsidox> anyone know a good irc program other than xchat?
[01:27] <njan> BGenesis, if you haven't configured X before it can be a little danting the first time, though :p
[01:27] <Okys> define good
[01:27] <njan> Arnia, Canadians are far more distracting than lack of sleep :p
[01:27] <Arnia> Okys: Bring up the GUI I told you about
[01:28] <Okys> yep done that
[01:28] <Arnia> Okys: Its pretty easy to figure out...
[01:28] <BGenesis> njan: I need to get pressure sensitivity to work too, mind.
[01:29] <BGenesis> njan, Hmm... I'm still at a loss. Is there a dialog somewhere for ocnfiguring the mouse?
[01:29] <njan> BGenesis, yeah, I'd imagine configuring a tablet is a little tricky like that, but I've never done it, so I don't have a clue where to start; I'd be googling '"model of tablet" +linux'
[01:29] <AndyFitz> hey hey,  anyone know what the current support for the Nvidia 6800 is ?
[01:29] <Okys> Arnia its not there
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Elsidox: it depends what you like
[01:30] <Okys> just lo and sth0
[01:30] <BGenesis> k
[01:30] <Okys> eth0
[01:30] <kbrooks> wl--------------+
[01:30] <Elsidox> thoreauputic, I like gnomeish stuff. =)
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Elsidox: gaim does IRC for instance, or the firefox chatzilla extension
[01:30] <njan> BGenesis, yes, but I don't know how helpful it'll be
[01:30] <njs12345> I have a question about the CD database
[01:30] <Arnia> Okys: What card do you have?
[01:30] <kbrooks> sorry
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Elsidox: gaim does a decent attempt at an IRC client
[01:31] <thoreauputic> Elsidox: a bit limited compared to xchat
[01:31] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, Gaim is BAD at IRC
[01:31] <njs12345> I've already ordered a Warty CD set, and they arrived fine, and now I want some hoary ones
[01:31] <kbrooks> completely bad. evilish bad
[01:31] <njs12345> do I have to do anything?
[01:31] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: it depends how critical you are
[01:31] <BGenesis> njan: It's a MD9570 I'm searching for.
[01:31] <Okys> i believe its yenta socket...in my toshiba 4600 lappy
[01:31] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, i'm CRITICAL
[01:31] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: I prefer xchat or irssi
[01:32] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: I noticed :)
[01:32] <kbrooks> thats why i use xchat
[01:32] <njs12345> I'm still waiting for xchat-gnome :)
[01:32] <kbrooks> and/or irssi
[01:32] <Okys> Arnia i believe its yenta socket...in my toshiba 4600 lappy
[01:32] <Arnia> Okys: Yenta is just a bus type... PCMCIA
[01:32] <kbrooks> njs12345, wtf is xchat-gnome
[01:32] <Arnia> I think at least
[01:32] <njs12345> http://xchat-gnome.navi.cx/
[01:32] <grogoreo> hi
[01:32] <lok> kbrooks, a fork of xchat
[01:33] <dockane> mmmhhh OO does not look like the stables application here on hoary
[01:33] <grogoreo> can someone please tell me how I can crop a picture on Ooo 1.9/2.0 beta?
[01:33] <Okys> Arnia its built in
[01:33] <njs12345> so anyone know about the CD database?
[01:33] <lok> grogoreo, with gimp ?
[01:33] <grogoreo> no Ooo
[01:33] <grogoreo> lok, like you can in MS Word
[01:34] <BGenesis> njan: No results it looks like.
[01:34] <dockane> hanging splash screens, frozen windows etc
[01:34] <Okys> is there a way to start the set up configuration program without reinstalling
[01:34] <lok> grogoreo, in fact I don't know that I can make it with both ms word and OOo, I've just learned it
[01:35] <thoreauputic> njs12345: hmm... looks like the human interface Nazis are at it again: I *like* the configurability of xchat - gnomeifying it doesn't appeal to me at all
[01:35] <njan> Okys, do you need to select a module for your network card to be autoloaded?
[01:35] <BGenesis> njan: Back to windows, yes?
[01:35] <grogoreo> lok, ok thanks anyway. I'll have to use GIMP. I tried the OOo help but it crashes every time, which I expect as its still in beta!
[01:35] <njs12345> thoreauputic: I like "the human interface Nazis"
[01:35] <njs12345> :P
[01:35] <njs12345> "heil Seth Nickell" *raises forearm*
[01:35] <njs12345> :P
[01:36] <thoreauputic> njs12345: the nice people who brought you un-editable menus?
[01:36] <njs12345> thoreauputic: that's got nothing to do with human interface, that's a bug and it's going to be fixed in 2.12
[01:36] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[01:36] <Tsuroerusu> Yo cut the shit about nazis, those bastards don't got anything to do with humanity which is what "Ubuntu" actually means
[01:36] <kbrooks> 2.12?
[01:36] <kbrooks> wth?
[01:37] <kbrooks> WHAT THE DICK
[01:37] <gub> hi
[01:37] <thoreauputic> njs12345: Godwin's Law says I eneded the conversation anyway ;)
[01:37] <thoreauputic> *ended
[01:37] <Dalkus> Don't swear please.
[01:37] <kbrooks> Godwin's law?
[01:37] <Dalkus> Hmm?
[01:37] <Arnia> kbrooks: Its a side-effect of the change to the freedesktop spec... unfortunate, but long term good
[01:37] <gub> xchat-gnome sux
[01:37] <thoreauputic> Dalkus: I thought Dick was short for Richard ? *grin*
[01:37] <kbrooks> it LOGICALLY commands you to do something?
[01:38] <kbrooks> omfg
[01:38] <Dalkus> thoreauputic, bah :P heh
[01:38] <njs12345> haha, godwin's law
[01:38] <kbrooks> Arnia, 2.12 of what
[01:39] <Arnia> kbrooks: Gnome
[01:41] <kbrooks> gnome 2.10 has a bug? and that is?
[01:41] <dockane> what do i ahvde
[01:41] <njs12345> the lack of a menu editor
[01:41] <kbrooks> you serious
[01:42] <Okys> njan i believe its connected to the pcmcia
[01:42] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: umm... it's well-known
[01:42] <Okys> pcmcia doesnt happen
[01:42] <dockane> what do iave to expect when i make a dist-upgrade with a debian mirror in mein sources.list ? any known problems ?
[01:42] <Okys> no such command
[01:42] <njs12345> anyone here taking part in the CSS reboot or may 1st reboot?
[01:42] <pybe> Okys, what are you trying to do?
[01:43] <HiddenWolf> dockane: dist-upgrading to a debian mirror is not for the faint of heart
[01:43] <BGenesis> njs12345: What's that//
[01:43] <Jefis> How to run check disk untility
[01:43] <pybe> Jefis, man fsck
[01:43] <Okys> pybe get my wireless network happnin
[01:43] <BGenesis> Ah well, back to windows for now.
[01:43] <pybe> Okys, what card
[01:43] <BGenesis> See you all round
[01:43] <Arnia> njs12345: I would if I had time :/
[01:43] <kbrooks> pybe: mybe a gui interface to it?
[01:43] <njs12345> BGenesis: basically, you take your site down on April 25th, put up a new one on May 1st, and if the judges decide it's the best you win free hosting from mediatemple for like
[01:44] <pybe> kbrooks, to what
[01:44] <njs12345> s/like/life/
[01:44] <kbrooks> fsck
[01:44] <Okys> pybe gotta go rehearse bbl
[01:44] <pybe> kbrooks, nope
[01:44] <BGenesis> njs12345: AWESOME... except... I'd never win XD I'm good, but not that good.
[01:44] <Okys> nice to find a helpful room
[01:44] <Jefis> what could be, when I start k3b it hangs
[01:44] <Jefis> cpu starts working 100%
[01:44] <njs12345> well, that's May 1st Reboot.. the CSS Reboot is like May 1st but for CSS
[01:44] <Jefis> and only way out, is hard reboot
[01:44] <njs12345> BGenesis: I don't exactly expect to win either ;)
[01:44] <BGenesis> oh well, I'll go for it anyway.
[01:44] <pybe> kbrooks, its not something you proactively use
[01:44] <BGenesis> :D
[01:45] <njs12345> lol
[01:45] <Arnia> kbrooks: The menu editor is a large piece of functionality, yes. and they messed up the release management over it, yes. But it wouldn't improve things to start messing around with the release policies
[01:45] <njs12345> I've got a counter up on my site atm
[01:45] <njs12345> http://blog.skehin.com/
[01:45] <pybe> kbrooks, the system will auto run it on boot every x days or x boots which ever is 1st
[01:45] <njs12345> only 2250881 seconds left! better get cracking :P
[01:45] <kbrooks> pybe: s/boots/mounts/
[01:46] <pybe> kbrooks, mmm
[01:46] <Jefis> "chown: changing ownership of `/home/jefis/.*': Read-only file system" <-- whata fuck?
[01:46] <Jefis> konquerer fails to run
[01:47] <kbrooks> pybe: mount -o remount, rw / "counts" in that context
[01:47] <Jefis> "chmod: changing permissions of `/home/jefis/*': Read-only file system"
[01:47] <waxhead> re
[01:47] <accuser> Jefis: /home/jefis/.* includes /home
[01:47] <kbrooks> also, mounts again and again and again..... count
[01:48] <Jefis> ok
[01:48] <Jefis> now it works :)
[01:48] <kbrooks> pybe: so, x days or x mounts
[01:48] <BGenesis> Doh! Both my scanners are unsupported!!
[01:48] <BGenesis> BOTH!
[01:48] <Nermal> BGenesis, get a scsi one
[01:48] <BGenesis> Back to windows.....
[01:48] <kbrooks> pybe: And not the system. the init scripts
[01:48] <BGenesis> ah well, no cash.. .see you around
[01:48] <Nermal> twat :)
[01:49] <accuser> lol
[01:49] <kbrooks> heh
[01:49] <pybe>  /aw
[01:49] <housetier> I installed ubuntu on a friends computer. now he has the data from his isp, how can we set up ppp(oe)? I am used to pppoe and pppoeconf, however pppoe does not seem to be available
[01:49] <accuser> Nermal: the threshold for access to linux is actually quite low. then again, so is the technical knowledge of you average windows user.
[01:50] <kbrooks> housetier, ill find the deb.
[01:50] <Dalkus> I cannot write to a mounted FAT32 partition, I get permission denied, even as root, what can I do?
[01:50] <kbrooks> housetier, warty?
[01:50] <Dalkus> the relevent line in fstab is:
[01:50] <Dalkus> /dev/hdb1       /share          vfat    rw,user,auto    0       0
[01:50] <housetier> kbrooks hoary from three days ago
[01:50] <kbrooks> housetier, mmmm. h/o
[01:50] <CarlK> Dalkus - what about the line from mount?
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> Dalkus: put rw after user
[01:50] <Jefis> where is all logs about k3b, it crashes on run?
[01:51] <Dalkus> LeeJunFan, thanks
[01:51] <mvirkkil> ANyone happen to know why the wiki is so painfully slow?
[01:51] <Dalkus> CarlK, the what? :)
[01:51] <CarlK> Dalkus - I was wondering what mount said about it
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> Dalkus: here's mine.
[01:51] <Dalkus> mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /share busy
[01:51] <LeeJunFan>  /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    vfat    defaults,uid=junfan,gid=junfan,umask=22 0       0
[01:51] <Dalkus> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdb1 is already mounted on /share
[01:51] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Its Zwiki
[01:52] <Dalkus> Thanks, LeeJunFan
[01:52] <CarlK> Dalkus - just mount, not mount stuff
[01:52] <dockane> what do you think is easier and more effective to tune (hoary on a p3 800 laptop with 192 mb ram) : gnome or switch to a lighter desktop like icewm ?
[01:52] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Its to do with how it holds some of its indexes I believe
[01:52] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Well, it's slower tan usual.
[01:52] <Nermal> accuser, aye.. but you try getting all your devices to work under windows without any manufacturers driver disks
[01:52] <mvirkkil> Arnia: A lot slower than usual.
[01:52] <Dalkus> CarlK, /dev/hdb1 on /share type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[01:52] <CarlK> dockane - have you tried it stock? I have it running on P2-333 and I am pleased
[01:52] <kbrooks> housetier, sending the .deb
[01:53] <Arnia> mvirkkil: There is a particular usage sequence that triggers this behaviour... and it crippled us on plone.org for a couple of days when we first found the bug
[01:53] <Arnia> mvirkkil: That was a fun christmas :p
[01:53] <Arnia> I'm trying to remember what it is
[01:53] <accuser> Nermal: isn't that what the internet is for? just plug in your device and download the internet... ;-)
[01:53] <housetier> kbrooks where are you sending it to? I dont see a dcc request here
[01:53] <dockane> CarlK, i am currently running hoary from stock but its obious that i need more ram for it
[01:53] <dockane> *obvoious
[01:54] <housetier> there it is
[01:54] <thoreauputic> accuser: as in "HElp! My interweb is broken!"  ;-)
[01:54] <mvirkkil> Arnia: It makes it extrememly painful to work with it :-(
[01:54] <kbrooks> housetier, put it on a floppy and dpkg -i it
[01:54] <zzyber> is release candidate the same as final?
[01:54] <Jefis> jefis@localhost:~$ k3b
[01:54] <Jefis> /tmp/mcop-jefis is accessible owned by user
[01:54] <Jefis> Permisions:0777
[01:54] <Jefis> Owner:Jefis
[01:54] <Jefis> What's wrong???????????
[01:54] <kbrooks> zzyber, no
[01:55] <mvirkkil> zzyber: No
[01:55] <kbrooks> zzyber, remaining bugs might be still in it
[01:55] <accuser> thoreauputic: the man at the shop said it had the internet!
[01:55] <thoreauputic> accuser: whereis my Internet Explorer icon ???
[01:55] <thoreauputic> accuser: haha
[01:55] <kbrooks> that need to be found and fixed
[01:55] <Nermal> accuser, was it the latest version of the internet though ?
[01:55] <mvirkkil> zzyber: In theory a release candidata could be the same as a final.  The best way to solve the inherent issues with wikis (from IA, technical and social points of view) is to do a business process analysis and build a system to match. I got really pissed off with wikis a long time ago :)
[01:56] <accuser> Nermal: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install internet
[01:56] <housetier> kbrooks can you tell me where you found the package?
[01:56] <Jefis> jefis@localhost:~$ k3b
[01:56] <Jefis> /tmp/mcop-jefis is accessible owned by user
[01:56] <Jefis> chmod:0777, owner: jefis, what's wrong?
[01:56] <iapx8088> hello anybody
[01:56] <kbrooks> housetier, i grabbed it with the -d option
[01:56] <accuser> hello iapx8088
[01:56] <iapx8088> where I am supposed to put a echo ondemand>/sys/system/ecc in ubuntu, to have it run at bootime
[01:56] <kbrooks> apt-get -d install pppoe
[01:56] <dockane> CarlK, i am currently thinking of upgrading my laptop ram but only if will not get too expensive
[01:56] <thoreauputic> accuser: "some packages could not be installed... maybe try --fix-missing? "
[01:57] <JaneW> what about LinkSys  Wireless Access Point 802.11g  WAP54G  R 676.00
[01:57] <JaneW> ?
[01:57] <accuser> thoreauputic: lol
[01:57] <JaneW> middle of the road?
[01:57] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I'm actually throwing around the idea of creating my own wiki type content management system on top of subversion using xslt to do conversions, and having a *really* small piece of script to handle submissions.
[01:57] <CarlK> dockane - check ebay
[01:57] <jobezone> does anyone recomend a browser which is lighter than firefox?(With 5 tabs open it starts to respond to my clicks very slowly)
[01:57] <iapx8088> jobezone, links
[01:57] <CarlK> wget ;)
[01:58] <mvirkkil> Arnia: All pages would be static. No dynamic content ever.
[01:58] <Arnia> mvirkkil: wikis are not a good model for content management... its like trusting untrained humans to organise the British Library
[01:58] <dockane> CarlK, well buying laptop ram via ebay has to be that cheap that i doesnt hurt when function fails
[01:58] <kbrooks> iapx8088, a cli browser is overkill
[01:58] <thoreauputic> jobezone: odd, i have 29 tabs open at the moment here....
[01:59] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I'm not talking about an open wik. Just a simple and a easy to use cms.
[01:59] <mvirkkil> Arnia: But then again, the differnece between a wiki and a simple cms can be a bit blurry.
[01:59] <housetier> thanks kbrooks
[01:59] <JaneW> sorry I posted on wrong #, I;m trying to get a wireless access oint recommendation...
[01:59] <CarlK> dockane - yeah - I think the odds are in your favor - figure if you buy 10 things and 2 fail, you are still way ahead
[02:00] <jobezone> thoreauputic, maybe its because I have 256 MB of ram only
[02:00] <Dhurntan> hi i need some help to install nocat on my ubuntu
[02:00] <thoreauputic> jobezone: same here
[02:00] <Arnia> I think the term CMS is used too loosely personally... it should not be applied to wikis, or to blogs or to anything without at least security and workflow :p
[02:00] <jobezone> thoreauputic, 29 tabs?
[02:00] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I don't like cms:s too much either. Basically my web content is so simple I rarely see a point in using dynamic content and hence almost never a reason for using a database.
[02:00] <Dhurntan> when i execute make gateway, it says no supported firewalls
[02:00] <thoreauputic> jobezone: yup, just counted them :)
[02:01] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Oh I like CMSes... but proper CMSes used for proper purposes
[02:01] <thoreauputic> jobezone: and it's been openfor days
[02:01] <jobezone> thoreauputic, If I open about 5 tabs with ubuntuforum's posts, it start to be slower on reacting.
[02:01] <Arnia> mvirkkil: My business builds such systems and we get very annoyed with people calling Wordpress etc 'a CMS'
[02:01] <CarlK> dockane - I even have hoary on a P2-350, 64m
[02:01] <thoreauputic> jobezone: ah - that could be the forums, not the browser
[02:01] <kbrooks> dillo
[02:01] <dockane> CarlK, last thing i bought was a bw laser printer : kyocery 1750 +. always wanted to have a fast and cheap workgroup printer. no i got one for 50 eur. those ebay deals are perfect. its just about to know WHAT you can buy via ebay and what NOT
[02:02] <kbrooks> bye
[02:02] <CarlK> tat starts to get painfull, but still better than FC2 on 96
[02:02] <thoreauputic> jobezone: the ubuntu site can be quite slow at times
[02:02] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I have an enormous distrust for CMS:s and database systems. I've developed and hacked on a few, and I feel most of the time a CMS is total overkill for what it is used. Then again, I also feel the blogging stuff is total overkill for blogging.
[02:02] <jobezone> thoreauputic, Do you have firefox 1.0.2? No, it's not the links, it's the entire browser: clicking on  File, takes 1-2 seconds to open the menu, then a second to draw the menu contents.
[02:03] <Arnia> mvirkkil: They aren't overkill when you need workflow, as most (all) businesses do
[02:03] <thoreauputic> jobezone: no, I have 1.0 from mozilla.org ( the binary)
[02:03] <thoreauputic> jobezone: I bypassed apt-get
[02:03] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Without workflow you can't guarantee your information processing... and in the UK that means the government shafts you :)
[02:03] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Ahh, workflow.. Yuck! But you are right.
[02:03] <jobezone> thoreauputic, hmm...
[02:03] <CarlK> mvirkkil - how would you rank Mambo vs the other CMSs?
[02:03] <jobezone> thoreauputic, well, I can try doing that.
[02:04] <nexus-> Selecting BSS from priority group 0
[02:04] <nexus-> 0: 00:0f:b5:66:51:c8 ssid='<hidden>' wpa_ie_len=0 rsn_ie_len=0
[02:04] <nexus->    skip - no WPA/RSN IE
[02:04] <nexus-> hmm
[02:04] <mvirkkil> CarlK: It's too new, doesn't support utf8 and uses php (which I don't like). Check out cmsmatrix.org
[02:04] <thoreauputic> jobezone: it works fine - i just put it in my home dir and linked it from /usr/local/bin
[02:04] <nexus-> anyone knows why it reports no WPA although its running on wpa?
[02:04] <nexus-> (the AP that is)
[02:04] <dockane> CarlK, yes its ok too here. but thats not what i am dreaming of : klick -> lag -> go | klick-> laaag -> go
[02:04] <Arnia> CarlK: PHP is not a good language for a high grade information system
[02:04] <mvirkkil> Arnia: But most people's websites don't need a cms, most project's pages don't need a cms.
[02:05] <jobezone> thoreauputic, yes, I'll try installing firefox oficial, see if it's faster
[02:05] <Bazzi> Best CMS *I* encountered so far (which is free) is Plone
[02:05] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Again, it depends. If the project is for a business then they definitely do
[02:05] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Yay. Another one who dislikes php :-)
[02:05] <Arnia> Bazzi: Glad to see a satisfied customer
[02:05] <Bazzi> Arnia are you of the Plone devteam? :)
[02:05] <njs12345> Arnia: I'm tempted to say that PHP isn't a good language for anything :P
[02:06] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Yes, again, I agree, but when I think project's web pages I don't think about work, but about OSS.
[02:06] <Bazzi> njs12345 php is good for a number of things
[02:06] <njs12345> bah.. I _wish_ more hosts supported mod_python
[02:06] <Bazzi> but php is swamped by newbies who make newbie scripts.
[02:06] <mvirkkil> njs12345: I would agree.
[02:06] <Arnia> Bazzi: My business were the guys who pushed for and then developed the markup and CSS for Plone 2
[02:06] <Bazzi> ah :)
[02:06] <kalis> how would i go about to change default file manager from nautilus to rox filer?
[02:06] <Bazzi> good xhtml/css for a change :D
[02:06] <garrut> anyone here running vnc?
[02:06] <Arnia> Bazzi: We got it as accessible as we could and educated the community as to why that was important
[02:07] <myosotis> eh
[02:07] <Bazzi> Arnia I'm one of those guys rpomoting proper XHTML/CSS/Accessibility for Web :)
[02:07] <Arnia> Bazzi: We're doing better now... moved onto working with the Zope3 UI. Far happier with that system
[02:07] <Bazzi> *promoting
[02:07] <onno> If you want to install mailman, what do you need to do after the apt-get install mailman?
[02:07] <Arnia> Bazzi: Cool... one of my partners is on the WAI in ATAG
[02:07] <njs12345> Bazzia: yeah
[02:07] <onno> is there some docs?
[02:08] <Pizbit> onno: Have a look in /usr/share/doc/ (POssibly /mailman/ after that)
[02:08] <Arnia> mvirkkil: ubuntulinux.org aren't using Plone properly... which is annoying to me for obvious reasons ;)
[02:09] <Bazzi> Arnia `properly'?
[02:10] <Arnia> Bazzi: Instead of building semantically motivated content types, a proper workflow and good processes (social / business mainly)... they're mostly using Plone as a wiki
[02:10] <Bazzi> :)
[02:11] <whiskers> well this is really something....this hoary has been running for many days and it hasn't crashed yet.
[02:11] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I haven't used plone more then for a test site, so I'm not familiar with it. How are they miss-using it?
[02:11] <Arnia> Bazzi: Admittedly extending plone isn't as straightforward or fun as extending z3, but its not that hard to write a couple of archetypes (a 'backport-ish' of Zope3 Schema to a non-component system)
[02:11] <Pizbit> whiskers: *shrug* I've had it running for weeks without a hitch :D
[02:11] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Using it as a wiki... it isn't a good way to use Plone
[02:11] <whiskers> Pizbit, well i just started ....but it seems to be holding up nicely
[02:11] <Bazzi> Arnia I have no clue of Python and the software which is involved in plone so I'm kinda out of the loop ;)
[02:12] <onno> is mailman the best?
[02:12] <Arnia> Then there's the design... I'm disappointed I missed the competition
[02:12] <onno> en most easy to use install etc... ?
[02:12] <Pizbit> whiskers: Considering that it's supposed to be released, er today/tommor/tz-depending I'd hope it was stable.
[02:12] <Arnia> I'm very very good at customising Plone 2 with just CSS :p
[02:12] <whiskers> well it is....if gnome is stable
[02:12] <whiskers> the kernel seems to be ok
[02:12] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I read that they are giong to use plone2 in the future. ave you thought about helping them out?
[02:13] <fgx> hello, what's the correct framebuffer vga parameter for a 1680x1050 resolution?
[02:13] <Arnia> mvirkkil: I'm building other stuff now. I don't do much Plone 2 any more
[02:13] <whiskers> i think i am going to try to build freemat and take a look at it
[02:13] <Arnia> mvirkkil: I'm building a better system in Z3... fixing all those niggling UI issues which were impossible to deal with in the Z2 world
[02:14] <Arnia> mvirkkil: got more job revenue coming up this way too
[02:14] <Arnia> btw, if you want to see what Plone 2 can look like when properly customised with just CSS, http://pan.netalleynetworks.com
[02:14] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I'm sure. Helping out has just never been about revenue for me.
[02:15] <Pizbit> whiskers: Bah, wiki suggests april 8, wonder who told me april 6 >.<
[02:15] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Revenue is important when you're juggling a business, a load of debt and a doctorate simultaneously
[02:15] <whiskers> Pizbit, well a couple of days won't really matter...it doesn't seem to hurt anything and if it does crash well it is very easy to reinstall
[02:15] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Well, you can make anything look like anything with CSS. I have always wondered why the plone skins all look the same.
[02:16] <Arnia> mvirkkil: I donated a year of my free time to Plone 2... and I release everything I can open-source... but I need to live
[02:16] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Lack of imagination mostly :p
[02:16] <whiskers> Pizbit, but i think they should give reiser4 a chance since they have a kernel that can support it
[02:16] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Plus limi didn't help *sigh*
[02:16] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I'm not judging, I'm just saying, that I didn't ask if you 'thought about helping out' for the revenue.
[02:17] <Ex-Cyber> why are RTF documents opening in gedit when /etc/mailcap specifies openoffice?
[02:18] <Ex-Cyber> does gnome have its own association system that overrides mailcap?
[02:18] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I am myself too busy with work at the moment to do any work on free projects. It's been a few months since I developed anything for the (or any) community.
[02:18] <Dhurntan> did someone successfully install nocat?
[02:18] <Arnia> mvirkkil: I want to clone myself... K'iln People styleee
[02:19] <sledger> Can I resize a reiser partition?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> Ex-Cyber: yeah, try right clicking the rtf file in nautilus and changing the app in properties
[02:19] <Arnia> Ex-Cyber: Yes, it uses the freedesktop.org shared-mime system
[02:19] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I want a lot of money so I wouldn't need to work and I could finish University and concentrate on different voluntary projects.
[02:20] <Ex-Cyber> should I go ahead and file a bug then? this is apparently the default...
[02:20] <Ex-Cyber> hmm
[02:20] <dockane> is OOo known to make problems in hoary, i cant even get the writer started
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Ex-Cyber: strange default if so, I agree
[02:20] <mvirkkil> dockane: WFM
[02:21] <Arnia> Ex-Cyber: The bug should be filed with freedesktop though
[02:21] <Ex-Cyber> in the dialog openoffice is listed first, but gedit is selected... seems like openoffice would be the default
[02:21] <dockane> mvirkkil, WFM ?
[02:21] <Pizbit> dockane: Didn't OOo2 did you?
[02:21] <mvirkkil> dockane: WorksForMe
[02:21] <Arnia> meh... brainmelt
[02:22] <Arnia> mvirkkil: I just want a few lifetimes to travel the world and read the entire British Library and learn it
[02:22] <dockane> Pizbit, its 1.1.3
[02:22] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Well, at least I
[02:23] <Arnia> I don't read that fast ;)
[02:23] <Ex-Cyber> Arnia: default handlers are inherited from shared-mime?
[02:23] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Well, at least I'm going to go travelling through eastern europe with my gf for a month this summer (I'm from scandinavia).
[02:24] <mvirkkil> Arnia: First summer vacation in many years, though.
[02:24] <Arnia> Ex-Cyber: No... hence the brain melt
[02:24] <Ex-Cyber> Arnia: ah, missed that
[02:25] <Arnia> Ex-Cyber: I'm not sure where they're defined actually, or by whom
[02:25] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Nice... I'm going to be working in Ipswich for a month this summer :p BT Research (sighs*
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Arnia: shady guys in smoke-filled back rooms at gnome.org ;-)
[02:25] <jobezone> thoreauputic, I had some problems installing and runing official gnome, but guess what, I installed epyphany from synaptic, and it can open 20+ tabs and be responsive!
[02:25] <Arnia> It will be fun, but the logistics of working there are horrible
[02:26] <Arnia> epiphany is the official Gnome web browser project
[02:26] <thoreauputic> jobezone: heh - whatever works, then:)  The joys of open source choice ... !
[02:26] <Arnia> anyway... I'm off to bed
[02:26] <Arnia> Its way past my bed-time
[02:27] <whiskers> dockane, i don't know...i will try to open oo writer
[02:28] <whiskers> dockane, nope it is not crashing here..it comes up and displays all the menus....but it is out of date
[02:28] <HiddenWolf>  daniels, will there be any way to run composite and glx at the same time?
[02:28] <whiskers> it seems to be the old 1.1.3
[02:28] <jobezone> thoreauputic, :)
[02:28] <Pizbit> HiddenWolf: NVIDIA card?
[02:29] <whiskers> i think there is a 1.9.6
[02:29] <HiddenWolf> pizbit: yup
[02:29] <Pizbit> Add this line to the video card section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf , personally I find it tempramental! Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[02:30] <HiddenWolf> temperamental how?
[02:30] <AgentM> Hello, does anybody know if the new Ubuntu Version will be released today?
[02:31] <thoreauputic> AgentM: Friday I believe
[02:31] <Pizbit> HiddenWolf: As in it may or may not make X die a horrible death.
[02:31] <whiskers> dockane, i do see a oo 1.,9.7 in synaptic
[02:31] <whiskers> dockane, perhaps i should try to install it and see if it crashes
[02:31] <HiddenWolf> pizbit: I'll take pictues if it smokes. Promise
[02:31] <Pizbit> :D
[02:32] <Pizbit> HiddenWolf: Remember, the black smoke means it's working.
[02:32] <bluewheel> does anyone know where the document about esound / mp3 / mp4's is ?
[02:32] <AgentM> thoreauputic: Thank you, but why so late? Today is the 5.04. ;)
[02:32] <bluewheel> i saw it a while ago on the new
[02:32] <HiddenWolf> pizbit: cool
[02:32] <thoreauputic> AgentM: heheh - if this was Debian, you'd be waiting 'til next year at least ;-)
[02:33] <Pizbit> AgentM: I'm not sure, people in here have spent much time bandying about April 6, but the wiki says APril 8
[02:33] <thoreauputic> AgentM: that's  2005  04 BTW (April o5)
[02:34] <whiskers> dockane, i will try to install oo 1.9.7 and see if it crashes
[02:34] <brrrt> hello all :)
[02:35] <AgentM> thoreauputic: That cannot be true, because the last release is named 4.10 ;) 2010? I don't think so! :)
[02:35] <darren_> Does anyone have the address of the Marillat repository?
[02:35] <brrrt> i need some help configuring my via82xx onboard sound @:-]  please!
[02:36] <Pizbit> darren_: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[02:36] <thoreauputic> AgentM: 2004  10
[02:36] <thoreauputic> AgentM: think about it
[02:36] <HiddenWolf> Yay, working xorg/composite/renderaccel/glx
[02:36] <rmb> hi
[02:36] <AgentM> thoreauputic: Ok, my mistake, now I've got it
[02:36] <brrrt> darr: #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[02:36] <thoreauputic> AgentM: :)
[02:36] <Ex-Cyber> HiddenWolf: what hardware?
[02:37] <HiddenWolf> Ex-Cyber: amd64 running x86 and 6600gt
[02:37] <Sp4rKy> hi
[02:37] <whiskers> dockane, it seems to be difficult to install...it wants gcc4.0 and i am using gcc3.3
[02:37] <AgentM> What do you think about the RC of Ubuntu 5.04? Is it very buggy?
[02:37] <Sp4rKy> i have installed hoary on laptop but i haven't acpi functionnality
[02:37] <HiddenWolf> AgentM: rock-solid
[02:37] <Sp4rKy> could you help me ?
[02:38] <brrrt> darren_: but i dont know if this is a good idea in ubuntu
[02:38] <HiddenWolf> Sp4rKy, file a bug againt acpi for your laptop type
[02:38] <thoreauputic> AgentM: judging by the lack of problems reported here, solid
[02:38] <brrrt> darren_: have you tried multiverse ?
[02:39] <AgentM> What what will be the difference to the stable version?
[02:39] <Sp4rKy> Hidden wolf, how ?
[02:39] <whiskers> dockane, i am not sure why oo wants gcc4
[02:39] <thoreauputic> AgentM: xorg, gnome 2.10...
[02:39] <darren_> brrrt, what's the address for multiverse?
[02:40] <whiskers> dockane, i thought the deb files in synaptic were already compiled
[02:40] <thoreauputic> AgentM: lots of updated apps, xfce4.2 available in the repos... blah blah etc etc
[02:41] <whiskers> i sure hope the gcc4 stuff can use the gcc3.3 dev stuff....because i don't see gcc4dev stuff
[02:41] <AgentM> thoreauputic: sorry, on my mind was the difference to the release candidate
[02:42] <darren_> brrrt, ?
[02:42] <thoreauputic> AgentM: well, given that the release candidate was only a few days ago, not much
[02:42] <dockane> whiskers, got it running after the several tries.
[02:42] <whiskers> dockane, ok good...which version...look at help column
[02:43] <thoreauputic> AgentM: and of course a dist-upgrade after Friday gets you the final Hoary
[02:43] <dockane> whiskers, 1.1.3
[02:43] <AgentM> thoreauputic: So, I think I start downloading the RC :) thank you!
[02:43] <whiskers> dockane, yes that one is working here too
[02:43] <brrrt> darren_: like this: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[02:44] <brrrt> darren_: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[02:44] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: So it is the 8th like the wiki says and not the 6th like so many people have been telling me? Bah.
[02:44] <darren_> brrrt, what about marillat? I need a package from there
[02:44] <dockane> whiskers, either the spash screen or the OOo window froze
[02:44] <dockane> *splash
[02:45] <brrrt> darran_: i dont know if it works with ubuntu as, marrillat is debian unstable (sid)
[02:45] <Pizbit> brrrt: It works fine
[02:45] <selinium_> thoreauputic: it worked like a dream. Cheers!
[02:45] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: sabdfl wanted 6th :) It was delayed a couple of days I think
[02:45] <darren_> Marillat does work, I've used it before
[02:45] <brrrt> kewl
[02:45] <darren_> I'm having trouble finding the address though...
[02:45] <Pizbit> brrrt: And you put testing in not unstable.
[02:45] <thoreauputic> selinium_: sorry?  I founf the package on multiverse
[02:46] <darren_> Thanks
[02:46] <Sp4rKy> nobody for my acpi issue?
[02:46] <selinium_> the sudo run ~/.ICEauthority thing from earlier, I didn't get a chance to say thanks! :)
[02:46] <brrrt> darran_: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[02:46] <thoreauputic> selinium_: ah IC
[02:46] <thoreauputic> selinium_: you're welcome :)
[02:47] <thoreauputic> sudo rm I think ?
[02:47] <brrrt> darren_: this should be the right line for your sources.list
[02:48] <brrrt> darren_: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[02:48] <dockane> whiskers, mmhh what information do you need ? all i did was i tried to start the writer from OOo through Gnome -> Applications -> OOo
[02:48] <whiskers> dockane, strange it works here...did you type anything to make it crash
[02:49] <dockane> whiskers, no it just didnt come up.
[02:50] <whiskers> dockane, hmm...i installed oo2 just a few minutes ago...but when i load oowriter from gnome it still comes up with 1.1.3
[02:50] <darren_> This isn't an Ubuntu question but does anyone know of a bittorrent client other than Azureus?
[02:51] <dockane> whiskers, 1.1.3 is my version, too. gnome told me the  window was no reacting
[02:51] <dockane> whiskers, waited 2 min or so
[02:51] <Pizbit> whiskers: alt+f2 and run oowriter2
[02:51] <whiskers> dockane, i don't see that problem....maybe there was a glitch in your data files
[02:51] <whiskers> dockane, ha ha..oo2 if funny...there is a red x in 1.1
[02:52] <whiskers> dockane, but the fonts are very tiny in oo2...i can't read the menus
[02:52] <SiRrUs> good morning
[02:52] <dockane> whiskers, do not have enough df to install OOo2
[02:53] <Pizbit> dockane: Run: sudo apt-get clean ?
[02:53] <Pizbit> (Gets rid of the downloaded packages)
[02:54] <ubuntu> why doesn't this distribution work?
[02:54] <whiskers> dockane, oh...well you cannot read the menus in oo2 anyway
[02:54] <Pizbit> ubuntu: How're you today troll?
[02:54] <ubuntu> i mean, sure, i'm on irc, but other things crash.
[02:54] <whiskers> dockane, the fonts are too tiny
[02:54] <dockane> Pizbit, did already
[02:54] <whiskers> dockane, unless there is some way to change them
[02:54] <ubuntu> Pizbit: I'm're good.
[02:54] <dockane> whiskers, i am pretty happy with OOo1.1.3.
[02:55] <Pizbit> whiskers: Menu fonts are fine here:)
[02:55] <whiskers> Pizbit, they are very tiny here.
[02:55] <whiskers> Pizbit, unless there is some way to change them
[02:55] <Pizbit> Dunno, they look like the standard fonts ecery other application uses.
[02:55] <ubuntu> you're not giving me any satisfaction out of my trolling exercise.
[02:56] <ubuntu> i demand action, and i demand it now.
[02:56] <Pizbit> ubuntu: Else you'll go on strike?
[02:56] <whiskers> Pizbit, i don't know i am not an expert but they look about 8 pitch
[02:56] <whiskers> Pizbit, it is much nicer to use 14 pitch
[02:57] <ubuntu> shutup you gay.
[02:57] <chefkoch-2oo4> i am coming from gentoo and want to change to ubuntu amd64.
[02:57] <chefkoch-2oo4> can you please tell me witch xorg version is included?
[02:58] <whiskers> Pizbit, but anyway both 1.1.3 and 2.0 seem to be working
[02:58] <waxhead> nite all
[02:58] <skraaningsulv> i booted into kde, but everything looks so big... text, windows, icons. but have normal screen resolution(it says 1600X1200).  cant find any place to adjust DPI
[02:58] <Pizbit> chefkoch-2oo4: 6.8.2-5.1
[02:58] <ubuntu> man, i thought i'd seen gay but chefkoch-2oo4, you're just weird.
[02:58] <ubuntu> skraaningsulv, i think it's because ubuntu sucks.
[02:58] <Pizbit> skraaningsulv: chefkoch-2oo4: ignore the troll:)
[02:59] <chefkoch-2oo4> thats very cool... had problems with 6.8.0.
[02:59] <ubuntu> i'm using ubuntu right now, i can tell that it sucks from here.
[02:59] <ubuntu> chefkoch-2oo4, of course you did.
[02:59] <chefkoch-2oo4> gentoo gives me the actual one
[02:59] <ubuntu> so use gentoo.
[02:59] <ubuntu> good choice.
[02:59] <darren_> This isn't an Ubuntu question but does anyone know of a bittorrent client other than Azureus?
[02:59] <SiRrUs> hmmm see we have another happy camper
[02:59] <chefkoch-2oo4> and what nvidia driver are distributed by ubuntu
[02:59] <chefkoch-2oo4> the 7xxx driver?
[03:00] <jobezone> darren_: gnome-btdownload
[03:00] <ubuntu> i don't distribute any drivers.
[03:00] <ubuntu> or bittorrent clients.
[03:00] <ubuntu> abc.
[03:00] <Pizbit> chefkoch-2oo4: Nah, the last in 6xxx iirc
[03:00] <crimsun> chefkoch-2oo4: officially in Hoary, 1.0-7174
[03:00] <ubuntu> use it in wine
[03:00] <ubuntu> it's your best chance.
[03:00] <jobezone> darren_: or similar. there's also bittornado, but it's ugly
[03:00] <chefkoch-2oo4> ok, than i will give it a try.
[03:00] <ubuntu> anything, basically, that's going to work on ubuntu isn't worth having.
[03:01] <chefkoch-2oo4> the compiling times in gentoo are too long for a workin peaople ;-)
[03:01] <darren_> jobezone, I'm using the gnome one but I wanted one that would have it all under one window like Azureus
[03:01] <SiRrUs> :)
[03:01] <kzm> Hi everybody
[03:01] <kzm> Is anybody else having problem with X lagging?
[03:01] <crimsun> SiRrUs: apparently your distro ain't worth jack until it attracts trolls :P
[03:01] <ubuntu> the ops! the opo!
[03:01] <SiRrUs> good idea ;)
[03:01] <ubuntu> i'm done for!
[03:01] <chefkoch-2oo4> keep on talking. cu...
[03:01] <kzm> Every now and then, X seems to hang for a sec or two.
[03:01] <ubuntu> cu...ban cigar?
[03:02] <SiRrUs> crimsun i am thinking your right :)
[03:02] <blueyed> "configure: error: Can't find X includes." Is there a package that includes the "X includes"?
[03:02] <kzm> blueyed: xlib-dev or something?
[03:02] <Pizbit> blueyed: xlibs-dev ?
[03:03] <ubuntu> SiRrUs, you're not thinking, and you don't have the right to think, either, based on previous commentary you've provided us with.
[03:03] <xMaximex> hi !
[03:03] <skraaningsulv> so how do i get normal size on my desktop things? everything went so big after starting with kde
[03:03] <crimsun> blueyed: Hoary uses libx11-dev
[03:03] <crimsun> blueyed: Warty uses xlibs-dev
[03:03] <xMaximex> i got a question .. soundblaster live is not supported ?
[03:03] <ubuntu> i want my 344 bytes back
[03:03] <crimsun> xMaximex: it is supported
[03:03] <blueyed> Thanks everyone!
[03:03] <Pizbit> xMaximex: That's a statement, not a question.
[03:03] <ubuntu> blueyed, welcome.
[03:03] <ubuntu> Pizbit, if you can't answer, don't contribute.
[03:03] <trygvebw> Hi, anyone here with a Epson Stylus Photo 9xx printer? That can print directly on CD's?
[03:03] <ubuntu> i'm going to contact the ops soon.
[03:04] <oXeN> anyone know how to make gaim flash in the task bar with there is a message?
[03:04] <Pizbit> ubuntu: Oh shush, you're not even a good troll.
[03:04] <roo_> whats all this ops business? :/
[03:04] <Pizbit> oXeN: Yep, 2 secs
[03:04] <ubuntu> my ego is destroyed.
[03:04] <ubuntu> back to the urine-stinking corner for me.
[03:04] <xMaximex> it is a question, i want to know if i have to do something to make it work, or if its not supported
[03:04] <crimsun> xMaximex: what sort of problems are you having?
[03:04] <Pizbit> oXeN: Enable the 'System Tray Icon' and then tick the only option it has:)
[03:05] <xMaximex> crimsun, my sb live is not detected in the device manager
[03:05] <crimsun> xMaximex: ok, cat /proc/asound/modules
[03:05] <xMaximex> only my onboard sound card
[03:05] <ubuntu> Pizbit, i am not a good troll, but neither are you so go to hell and your mum.
[03:05] <dockane> ok ... now i need to compile myself. found a configure-thinkpad tool which is only available as source code from sourceforge. the readme files explains how to compile (sound simple). is there anyhting what can disturb my packetmanagement or something else ?
[03:05] <oXeN> Pizbit: enable the system tray icon? Is this an option in Gaim?
[03:05] <xMaximex> crimsun, im under windows right no
[03:05] <ubuntu> compile yourself?
[03:05] <ubuntu> what?
[03:05] <Pizbit> oXeN: Yeah, in the plugins section
[03:05] <crimsun> xMaximex: hmm, that's not going to help much ;)
[03:05] <xMaximex> hehe
[03:05] <whiskers> well i am going to have to go figure if i can use gcc4 to compile anything
[03:05] <crimsun> xMaximex: but yes, it is supported
[03:05] <Bazzi> dockane thats always possible ;p
[03:06] <xMaximex> crimsun, okay. Do i have to download any driver ?
[03:06] <oXeN> Pizbit: Hide new messages until tray icon is clicked?
[03:06] <Pizbit> oXeN: Yeah
[03:06] <ubuntu> Great Seller. Highly Recommended! A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[03:06] <xMaximex> and for my canon i560 ?
[03:06] <dockane> Bazzi, ok i know that. but is there something i explicitly have to take care for ?
[03:06] <roo_> why arent there any Ops in here?
[03:06] <Bazzi> dockane No.
[03:06] <Pizbit> oXeN: Only problem is that if you have your away setup to automatically send a message when you're away, the message doesn't get sent.
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[03:06] <Bazzi> dockane I suppose you have that build-essential package?
[03:06] <ubuntu>
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[03:07] <crimsun> xMaximex: can't speak for the canon, but your sblive depends on whether it's a dell
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[03:07] <xMaximex> a dell ?
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[03:07] <fabbione> please stopp
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[03:07] <crimsun> xMaximex: what sort of computer are you using?
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[03:07] <gordonjcp> fabbione: the very man
[03:07] <dockane> Bazzi, dont know yet. all i understand is : take code -> get binaries
[03:07] <ubuntu>
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[03:07] <xMaximex> crimsun, athlon xp .. asus MB
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[03:07] <Bazzi> dockane No ;)
[03:07] <ubuntu>
[03:07] <oXeN> Pizbit: yeah my only problem now is that when the sound is down I dont know if a message came in, no flashing, no color changes nothing.
[03:07] <xMaximex> not a brand computer like hp or dell
[03:07] <kzm> (thanks)
[03:08] <kain> fabbione, thanks
[03:08] <Pizbit> oXeN: It should flash (Well, I'm pretty sure that's the flashy option:))
[03:08] <crimsun> xMaximex: ah, ok.
[03:08] <gordonjcp> fabbione: I tried your NVidia drivers, with my Riva TNT2, but still got a black screen
[03:08] <crimsun> xMaximex: well troubleshooting is easier when you're actually running Ubuntu ;)
[03:08] <xMaximex> crimsun, yeah i know .. im just passing .. i have to go to work anyway
[03:09] <dockane> Bazzi, no in the meaning i am wrong or no in context of essentails ?
[03:09] <xMaximex> ill come back under ubuntu in the evening
[03:09] <crimsun> xMaximex: ok
[03:09] <xMaximex> thansk anyway
[03:09] <dockane> hi crimsun
[03:10] <crimsun> hi dockane
[03:10] <Bazzi> dockane no in the meaning of code->binary is often just a dream ;-)
[03:10] <dockane> crimsun, thnx for looking into my sound config last time. after pulling up volumes of all the devices you gave me it worked fine
[03:11] <crimsun> gordonjcp: ok, during system boot, you should be able to identify what sort of video memory your card has
[03:11] <crimsun> dockane: np
[03:11] <whiskers> wow this is really confusing
[03:11] <crimsun> gordonjcp: it will either be "SGRAM" or "SDRAM"
[03:12] <whiskers> oo2 requires gcc4 and when you go to try to compile with gcc4 freemat requires g77 and g77 3.4 requires gcc 3.4
[03:12] <whiskers> this is very confusing
[03:12] <roo_> whiskers, you're compiling oo2 from source?
[03:12] <Bazzi> whiskers why are you compiling oo2 yourself?
[03:12] <crimsun> whiskers: Hoary has OO.o2 <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:12] <dockane> crimsun, if you have got any influence to that : its kind fo confusing for a linux noob like me that such a lot devices must be engaged to get the mic working
[03:12] <whiskers> roo_, no i installed oo2 and it required gcc4 for some reason
[03:12] <Pizbit> whiskers: Why not grab the binaries?
[03:12] <whiskers> Pizbit, i did
[03:13] <whiskers> Pizbit, but it required gcc4
[03:13] <Pizbit> Depends: openoffice.org2-core (>> 1.9.76), openoffice.org2-writer, openoffice.org2-calc, openoffice.org2-impress, openoffice.org2-draw, openoffice.org2-math
[03:13] <Archer> anyone know where i can find "creative audigy 2 ZA" driver for linux?
[03:13] <whiskers> Pizbit, so i installed gcc4 instead of gcc3.3
[03:13] <Archer> "creative Audigy2 ZS"
[03:13] <roo_> whiskers, hmm, im not getting that dep..
[03:13] <whiskers> Pizbit, but when i try to compile freemat it needs g77
[03:13] <whiskers> libs
[03:14] <whiskers> so i went to get g77 libs and it requires gcc3.4
[03:14] <whiskers> this is very confusing
[03:14] <Pizbit> whiskers: So, uh, what package are you trying to install to get OOo2?
[03:14] <gordonjcp> crimsun: I'm at work just now, I can't really do much with it since it's 30-odd miles away
[03:14] <crimsun> Archer: it's in the 'alsa-source' package in Hoary universe; the driver is called snd-ca0106
[03:14] <whiskers> Pizbit, i got oo2 but it required gcc4 for some reason
[03:14] <whiskers> Pizbit, i don't know why
[03:14] <Pizbit> whiskers: Sounds like something/one has messed up somewhere along the line *g*
[03:15] <Archer> crimsun: thanks, but how do i get that? i just touched the OS first time 1 hour ago
[03:15] <crimsun> whiskers: you don't actually need gcc-4.0 itself installed, only libgcc1 and libstdc++6 from gcc 4.0
[03:15] <whiskers> Pizbit, any now i have gcc3.3,gcc3.4, and gcc4 this is very confusing
[03:15] <thoreauputic> whiskers: "when you hear hoofbeats, think of horses, not zebras"
[03:15] <crimsun> whiskers: did you ,,apt-get install openoffice.org2'' ?
[03:15] <roo_> whiskers, gcc4 is still unstable..
[03:16] <whiskers> crimsun, no i used synaptic
[03:16] <crimsun> whiskers: then it should have installed fine
[03:16] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: Never know, could be antelopes!:D
[03:16] <whiskers> crimsun, well i am going to have to sort out this confusion and set some simlinks
[03:16] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: heh - or buffalo!
[03:16] <crimsun> Archer: enable universe, then apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[03:16] <whiskers> crimsun, yes it did install fine but required gcc4
[03:16] <roo_> whiskers, no, i wouldnt advice symlinking anything to do with gcc. you'll bork your toolchain most likely.
[03:16] <crimsun> whiskers: you don't have to symlink anything
[03:16] <whiskers> roo_, well i need to compile freemat
[03:17] <jacquesmerde> hey kids
[03:17] <Archer> crimsun: whats universe?
[03:17] <dockane> which c compiler do i need to get binaries from a source code ?
[03:17] <thoreauputic> Archer: it's really really really BIG
[03:18] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:18] <Archer> :)
[03:18] <Archer> lol
[03:18] <crimsun> Archer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[03:18] <dockane> "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"
[03:18] <crimsun> dockane: apt-get install build-essential
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Archer: it's a repository ;)
[03:18] <Archer> oh, ok
[03:19] <Archer> hmm.... let me get the website open first
[03:19] <crimsun> whiskers: what $arch are you on?
[03:20] <kzm> So, when is Hoary going to be released, again?
[03:20] <crimsun> whiskers: I just installed openoffice.org2 on a clean Hoary system without any problems
[03:20] <crimsun> kzm: 8 Abril
[03:20] <kzm> Heh...well, let's see if the bugs will be worked out by then.
[03:21] <crimsun> kzm: please check if the bugs are in bugzilla/malone, and if not, update them
[03:21] <Archer> crimsun: do i have to download everything?
[03:21] <whiskers> crimsun, i am on hoary...oo2 installed fine but screwed up my gcc system
[03:21] <crimsun> Archer: just those packages I said
[03:22] <crimsun> whiskers: it absolutely must not do that and didn't do that here
[03:22] <whiskers> crimsun, i will fix it..i am working on it now
[03:22] <whiskers> crimsun, strange you did not get a message to install gcc4 before you got oo2
[03:22] <whiskers> crimsun, i did
[03:23] <whiskers> crimsun, ok i finally set all the symlinks where i need them and got a good configure on freemat ...let me see if it will compile
[03:23] <dockane> No package 'libgnomeui-2.0' found is the result of my ./config. does that mean i do have to install it or just that it was not found where it should be ?
[03:24] <Bazzi> dockane install it ;)
[03:24] <dockane> ok
[03:24] <Bazzi> dockane maybe you have to install the -dev version
[03:24] <crimsun> dockane: what program are you trying to compile?
[03:24] <dockane> thinkpad-configure
[03:25] <dockane> crimsun, thinkpad-configure
[03:25] <crimsun> dockane: hmm, does it have another name, like tpctl?
[03:27] <thoreauputic> dockane: apt-cache show tpctl  << is that what you want ?
[03:27] <dockane> crimsun, think so. sourceforge says " Project: tpctl: File List "
[03:27] <thoreauputic> dockane: it's in the repos then
[03:27] <dockane> thoreauputic, thnx will try it
[03:28] <crimsun> dockane: enable universe and apt-get install tpctl :)
[03:29] <dockane> mmhh apt-get mixes languages. its asks in german but expects [Y/n]
[03:29] <crimsun> dockane: it's a good idea to search first ;)
[03:29] <jacquesmerde> does ubuntu work well with usb midi controllors for very basic sequencing? does the ever-so-slight bloat of ubuntu's user-friendliness create latency problems?
[03:29] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: user-friendliness is orthogonal to latency issues.
[03:30] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: in fact, the kernel has additional patches applied like user mlocking that assist jackd
[03:30] <whiskers> how long does it take to compile freemat
[03:30] <whiskers> this is taking forever
[03:30] <whiskers> worse than gimpshop
[03:31] <Archer> crimsun: (i'm using Hoary-rc), i go to system/administration/synaptic Package manager.  Then i go to Settings/repositories, but i can't seems to find Universe...
[03:31] <roo_> whiskers, use gentoo, THEN complain about compile times :p
[03:31] <whiskers> roo_, no...my hard disk is too small for gentoo
[03:31] <invictus> when using wireless in hoary, is it set to automatic change to another network if the signal is low?
[03:31] <crimsun> Archer: deb ... universe
[03:31] <crimsun> Archer: check that box
[03:32] <whiskers> roo_,  i don't like the wd1200 ..it did not even last 1 year
[03:32] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, so ubuntu would be a good midi distro? would it be easy to set up my usb midi controller? i'm finding it hard work getting it up and running on arch...
[03:32] <whiskers> roo_, so i am trying a wd 40gig
[03:32] <whiskers> roo_, and it is too small for gentoo
[03:32] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: it's no more difficult than Debian
[03:32] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: you'll want to consult the midi pages on alsa.opensrc.org
[03:32] <Archer> crimsun: deb? which box?
[03:32] <roo_> whiskers, wtf? i have a 3gb parition with gentoo on it.
[03:32] <bnolte> I am using hoary rc1 and the my usb (hewlett-packard) keyboard will not work
[03:32] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, i've never used debian. though loved ubuntu when i've used it (despite my one problem, which may have been fixed by now)
[03:33] <crimsun> Archer: I think it's the 3rd one from the top
[03:33] <crimsun> Archer: scroll over to the right and make sure it reads universe
[03:33] <whiskers> roo_, hah...my wd1200 had 120gigs and i was already up to 80  gigs before the head crashed
[03:33] <whiskers> roo_, and this is only a 40 gig
[03:34] <bnolte> I am using hoary rc1 and the my usb (hewlett-packard) keyboard will not work
[03:34] <roo_> whiskers, erm, ok. im telling u, 3gb is enough for gentoo unless u did something VERY wrong
[03:34] <Archer> crimsun: Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" (Source)
[03:34] <whiskers> roo_, and i don't need all that gentoo stuff
[03:34] <whiskers> roo_, i am only going to put the ubuntu basics on this hoary
[03:34] <roo_> whiskers, you could do that with gentoo, but whatever.
[03:35] <crimsun> bnolte: are any options in bios enabled like "legacy keyboard"?
[03:35] <jacquesmerde> why IS it that dist-upgrade && upgrade && dist-upgrade kept giving me more upgrades on each one of those commands? was that a bug or a feature? does it still happen with ubuntu?
[03:35] <Archer> crimsun: maybe if i send you a screenshot of the synaptic?
[03:35] <thoreauputic> roo_: a collection of videos and music can add up fast though :)
[03:35] <bnolte> yes
[03:35] <crimsun> Archer: let me start it myself
[03:35] <crimsun> bnolte: and what happens when you disable such option(s)?
[03:35] <roo_> thoreauputic, keep data like that on a seperate partition. my /home is a sep partition <--- good advice
[03:35] <bnolte> i have the usblegacy enabled my mouse "usb also works
[03:36] <bnolte> It still doesnt work
[03:36] <xMaximex> should I install nvidia drivers from nvidia website ? or install nvidia-glx package ?
[03:36] <bnolte> it works till i get to hotplug
[03:36] <tritium> xMaximex, use the ubuntu packages
[03:36] <apokryphos> xMaximex: nvidia-glx packagte should be fine
[03:36] <crimsun> bnolte: have you hardcoded anything into /etc/modprobe.{conf,d/*} ?
[03:36] <bnolte> no
[03:36] <xMaximex> apokryphos, where are they ?
[03:36] <xMaximex> ok
[03:36] <thoreauputic> roo_: of course - I just meant 3Gig won't hold much on its own :)
[03:36] <apokryphos> xMaximex: in the repositories.
[03:36] <bnolte> It works with dicover
[03:36] <bnolte> but that takes some doing to configure
[03:36] <whiskers> how do you permanently set the FreeMat environment variable
[03:37] <whiskers> i got a good compile
[03:37] <tritium> xMaximex, you also need linux-restricted-modules to match your kernel
[03:37] <roo_> thoreauputic, the OS and applications together, i dunno wft whiskers is doing if 40gb isnt enough for OS and apps.. :/
[03:37] <bnolte> the hub is fine because i plug the mouse into the keyboard
[03:37] <xMaximex> tritium, it install them at the same time
[03:37] <Archer> crimsun:???
[03:37] <bnolte> and the keyboard is recognized when i log into device manager
[03:37] <tritium> xMaximex, good
[03:38] <crimsun> bnolte: when was the last time you updated && dist-upgraded?
[03:38] <whiskers> ok it works but i don't know how to use it
[03:38] <crimsun> Archer: sec
[03:38] <xMaximex> but, do I need to specify a driver in xorg.conf ?
[03:38] <apokryphos> xMaximex: yes. nvidia
[03:38] <crimsun> Archer: I'm on a slow computer; gksudo synaptic takes a minute or two
[03:38] <thoreauputic> roo_: emerge  <everything available> , perhaps ? *grin*
[03:38] <tritium> xMaximex, after installing nvidia-glx, you'll run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:38] <Archer> crimsun: Thanks and sorry for the trouble.... noob on linux
[03:38] <roo_> thoreauputic, possibly.. :o
[03:39] <kzm> I'm not able to log onto Ubuntu bugzilla forums, although I found somebody else with my problem in the forums....
[03:39] <crimsun> Archer: ok. In Settings>Repositories, scroll over to the right using the horizontal scrollbar until you find the line(s) for universe
[03:39] <kzm> It seems Xorg is consuming all activity on my computer for a second or so at irregular intervals.
[03:39] <bnolte> to add a driver to xorg you should be able to do a dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[03:39] <bnolte> or xorg-server
[03:39] <Nermal> brb
[03:39] <crimsun> Archer: then scroll back over to the left and check both boxes (deb, deb-src)
[03:40] <thoreauputic> bnolte: xserver-xorg
[03:40] <bnolte> correct
[03:40] <nmsa> regards !
[03:40] <kzm> I notice there's a new nvidia driver out, perhaps I can restart X and see what happens then.
[03:40] <whiskers> what is a quick way to use freemat
[03:40] <bnolte> "note that still doesnt fix my usb keyboard
[03:40] <whiskers> i don't know how to use it
[03:40] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell xMaximex ubudriver
[03:40] <Pyre> xMaximex: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:40] <bnolte> I think it is an issue spicific to the keyboard
[03:40] <Archer> crimsun: i dont see a horizontal scroll bar
[03:40] <apokryphos> xMaximex: more information there if you need it.
[03:40] <xMaximex> thanks
[03:41] <kzm> Is there any way to send email or otherwise contact people from the Ubuntu forums?  Without loggin in yourself?
[03:41] <crimsun> Archer: in the top right pane where the Packages are listed?
[03:41] <tritium> whiskers, freemat isn't available as a package.  Have you tried octave?
[03:42] <blueyed> I've installed kdebase and now have Krusader as default browser for xchat (Open in browser). Why? It's this firefox in System > Preferred apps..
[03:42] <blueyed> s/this/still/
[03:42] <Archer> crimsun: top right pane? the "software updates"??
[03:42] <crimsun> Archer: yes
[03:43] <whiskers> i know how to temporarily set the env variable for FreeMat
[03:43] <whiskers> but how do you permanently set it
[03:43] <crimsun> Archer: in the Repositories window, the horizontal slider
[03:43] <Archer> I do have a long list but no horizontal slider
[03:43] <whiskers> i don't see /etc/env.d in hoary
[03:44] <crimsun> Archer: hmm, ok. Do you see two universe entries?
[03:44] <cadetmar> hello
[03:44] <Archer> the "bold" universe?
[03:44] <Archer> crimsun: let me look around for it first
[03:44] <quiet> how can i disable the way that it opens a new window for each folder??
[03:44] <thoreauputic> blueyed: change it in settings >> lists >> url handlers (in xchat)
[03:44] <quiet> that wasn't cool in windows 9x and it's still not cool..
[03:45] <CarlK> 6 week old hoary install, when I try to mount a usb memory card reader, 100% of the time I have to issue the mount command twice, with at least a few (2?) seconds between them.  The first tiem I get: + mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1/; mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist, the 2nd time it works.
[03:46] <crimsun> CarlK: use pmount
[03:46] <Archer> crimsun: nope, no universe
[03:46] <tritium> whiskers, did you take a look at octave?
[03:46] <crimsun> Archer: join #flood and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:47] <crimsun> CarlK: pmount /dev/sda1 something
[03:47] <crimsun> CarlK: it should appear as /media/something
[03:47] <xMaximex> another thing .. when i open XMMS, load a mp3 file, and then press play, it doesn't play anything and XMMS looks "freezed"
[03:47] <xMaximex> i tried as root and as a normal user
[03:47] <crimsun> xMaximex: tell xmms to use the esound output plugin
[03:48] <jacquesmerde> why IS it that dist-upgrade && upgrade && dist-upgrade kept giving me more upgrades on each one of those commands? was that a bug or a feature? does it still happen with ubuntu?
[03:48] <xMaximex> crimsun, I tried all the output plugin
[03:48] <CarlK> crimsun - any idea why mount is failing?
[03:48] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: come again?
[03:48] <crimsun> CarlK: there are some issues with usb storage devices
[03:48] <Archer> crimsun: paste done
[03:48] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: why would you do that anyway?
[03:49] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, you dont know what i mean?
[03:49] <CarlK> crimsun - ok, as long as someone knows about it - thanks
[03:49] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, well, not all at once obviously...but over a few days to keep my system up to date
[03:49] <whiskers> tritium, what is octave
[03:49] <whiskers> tritium, i am still trying to figure out how to use freemat
[03:49] <jacquesmerde> it ended up breaking aptitude and synaptic
[03:49] <crimsun> Archer: # deb http://sg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe  <-- remove the '#'
[03:49] <tritium> whiskers, it's a Matlab clone, similar to freemat, which you appear to be wanting to try
[03:49] <whiskers> tritium, for solving non-linear stochastic partial differential equations
[03:50] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: umm - because there have been additions to the list?
[03:50] <Archer> crimsun: in the file?
[03:50] <whiskers> tritium, does octave solve those
[03:50] <tritium> whiskers, octave does nearly anything that matlab can
[03:50] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: yes, that's normal
[03:50] <crimsun> Archer: yes
[03:50] <whiskers> tritium, is it freeware
[03:50] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, well, if you do it over the course of five minutes the same effect happens
[03:50] <tritium> whiskers, yes, and it's in universe
[03:50] <whiskers> tritium, sounds interesting
[03:50] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: you seem to be the only person to have seen this happen
[03:50] <whiskers> tritium, ok let me check it out
[03:50] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: over 5 minutes, no. Over several hours, yes.
[03:51] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, well i remember i wasnt the only person who broke apt and had to do an apt-get -f
[03:51] <Archer> crimsun: i can't delete the "#"
[03:51] <tritium> whiskers, I recommend octave2.1 over octave2.0
[03:51] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, over 5 minutes...yes!!!
[03:51] <crimsun> Archer: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:51] <tritium> whiskers, you'll also like octave-forge
[03:51] <jacquesmerde> i could dist-upgrade, upgrade, dist-upgrade, upgrade.....etc etc...each time upgrading mroe packages!!!!
[03:51] <whiskers> tritium, what is octave-forge
[03:51] <jacquesmerde> this was was around the time of array3 or array4 of hoary....
[03:51] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: well, did you actually download and _install_ those packages the first dist-upgrade?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: erm... I've been running ubuntu for months without seeing anything remotely like that happen
[03:52] <tritium> whiskers, apt-cache show octave-forge
[03:52] <Hofnarr> hi folks, does anybody know how i can get nautilus not to open new windows on selecting directories?
[03:52] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, yup
[03:52] <Archer> crimsun: i double clicked  computer/etc/apt/sources.list
[03:52] <Archer> crimsun: but i cannot "backspace" to delete the "#"
[03:52] <roo_> Hofnarr, disable "spatial mode" of nautilus. google it.
[03:52] <crimsun> Archer: open a Terminal
[03:52] <Hofnarr> roo_: thanks
[03:52] <crimsun> Archer: in the Terminal, type: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:53] <tritium> whiskers, incidentally, apt-cache search matlab would help you find software you may want to try
[03:53] <jacquesmerde> i asked this question back then, and most people knew what i was talking about, they either said they only ran upgrades, or only ran dist-upgrades to keep their system up to date  and admitted random combinations of the two were quite dangerous
[03:53] <jacquesmerde> or at least had very precarious results
[03:53] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: there is no precariousness
[03:53] <whiskers> tritium, ok i am getting octave...to check it out..but it is 160 megabytes of files
[03:53] <Archer> crimsun: save the file?
[03:53] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: the only difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade is that the former will add and/or remove packages to resolve dependencies
[03:54] <crimsun> Archer: yes, then apt-get update
[03:54] <tritium> whiskers, were you able to see octave-forge details?
[03:54] <whiskers> tritium, i got it...i don't know what it does
[03:54] <Dreamer3> ok, any new nvidia users here... still wrestling with the same problem... once I enter X I can't leave (by any means) to a usable console... just a blanks screen and blinking light on my display like it's in power saving mode... any ideas?
[03:54] <whiskers> tritium, i have to wait to see when it all gets here
[03:54] <tritium> apt-cache show octave-forge, whiskers
[03:54] <dockane> now it looks like i have to compile myself. i would like to use the following program : http://tpctl.sourceforge.net/configure-thinkpad.html. didnt find anything through synaptic search. DO i HAVE to compile or did i just missed a packet again ?
[03:55] <Archer> crimsun: how do i save?
[03:55] <crimsun> Archer: ctrl+x
[03:55] <whiskers> i just need to get the basics working on hoary.....i really don't need all those gentoo programs
[03:55] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, but it seemed dist-upgrade was adding packages, upgrade was then upgrade said packages, the dist-ugprade was adding the dependencies for said newly upgraded packages...
[03:55] <crimsun> dockane: enable the universe repository, update, and install tpctl
[03:55] <whiskers> i don't know how to even use them
[03:55] <whiskers> especially all the CAD stuff
[03:55] <Dreamer3> crimsun: different video card, different system, simliar problem... but i can't even get console with VT-switching...
[03:55] <jacquesmerde> i remember many people sharing this experience...though i'm too much of a newb to understand what was really going on
[03:55] <dockane> crimsun, did so. where do i find configure-thinkpad ?
[03:56] <tritium> whiskers, octave is not CAD, nor it Matlab
[03:56] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: erm, the only thing that might have triggered that was the camel/evolution stuff way back when, but even that would have stopped after 2 runs
[03:56] <exalted> a few days ago (before the RC release) i've installed Ubuntu from the preview CD, day by day i'm doing my updates, does it have any difference with the RC version or the current snapshots?
[03:56] <whiskers> tritium, yes good
[03:56] <whiskers> tritium, i don't need all that gentoo stuff i don't understand
[03:56] <chillywilly> I think they should've kept the april fools gdm theme :)
[03:56] <crimsun> dockane: dpkg -L tpctl|grep "/usr/bin/"
[03:56] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, you calling me a liar? you better step up, boy!
[03:57] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: of course I'm not calling you a liar. I'm saying _I_ have no experience whatsoever with whatever you're referring ot.
[03:57] <crimsun> to^
[03:57] <whiskers> tritium, i just need a basic math package to solve all the systems  of non-linear stochastic partial differential equations
[03:57] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: oh for heaven's sake, this is pointless
[03:57] <Dreamer3> anyone/
[03:57] <Dreamer3> *sighs*
[03:57] <tritium> whiskers, if you've used matlab before, you'll find octave very easy to use
[03:57] <dockane> crimsun, /usr/bin/tpctl
[03:57] <dockane> /usr/bin/ntpctl
[03:57] <Archer> crimsun: updating
[03:57] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, you wanna rumble with me too, boy? hold me back kids, i'm getting angry....
[03:57] <whiskers> tritium, no i have never seen matlab...it costs money
[03:58] <dockane> crimsun, as i expected the gui did not come with the apt-get package
[03:58] <crimsun> thoreauputic: apparently the trolls are out in force. 'tis a sign Ubuntu is a force to be reckoned with.
[03:58] <tritium> whiskers, yes, it does.  I just figured your university probably has a site-license
[03:58] <whiskers> tritium, i don't go to any university
[03:58] <MoneyCat> df
[03:58] <tritium> whiskers, ok, I thought perhaps you had used it in school, though
[03:59] <tritium> Of course, that's just an assumption.
[03:59] <Dreamer3> ah, there is a newer 7174 driver
[03:59] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, i assure you the phenomena i was describing did exist, but it sounds like its well and truly gone. sorry to labour the point. so is it now inoccuous to do upgrades and dist-upgrades at random interspersed periods?
[03:59] <whiskers> tritium, no...i have a math degree and we were not allowed to even use calculators
[03:59] <whiskers> tritium, we had to do everything by hand
[03:59] <keffo> hm, is there a way with some app (wget?) to get EVERYTHING in a dir? like wget www.page.com/*
[03:59] <keffo> or so?
[03:59] <tritium> whiskers, okay.
[03:59] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: mine runs every 30 minutes, and nothing breaks.
[03:59] <whiskers> tritium, so now i like to see free software that can make the job easier
[04:00] <Dreamer3> crimsun: is that an apt-way to get older nvidia-glx releases?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: FYI, the singular of phenomena is "phenomenon"
[04:00] <crimsun> Dreamer3: "easy" - not really
[04:00] <crimsun> Dreamer3: "doable" - yes
[04:00] <crimsun> Dreamer3: try 1.0-7174
[04:00] <tritium> whiskers, octave is good for numerical stuff, but not really that good for symbolic manipulation
[04:00] <Dreamer3> crimsun: you have any idea what might be up with my new setup?
[04:01] <Dreamer3> crimsun: yeah, i'm headed to 7174 now
[04:01] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, man. you're almost as anal as i am. sad thing is i actually study phenomenology
[04:01] <crimsun> what setup?
[04:01] <crimsun> Dreamer3: there seem to be issues with amd64
[04:01] <Archer> crimsun: open synaptic package manager and install "alsa-source"???
[04:01] <keffo> hm, is there a way with some app (wget?) to get EVERYTHING in a dir? like wget www.page.com/*
[04:01] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, you run a dist-upgrade && upgrade or upgrade && dist-upgrade?
[04:01] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I can't vouch for them, though, since I have no amd64
[04:01] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i might just have to give up nvidia dreams... i remember (on gentoo) years ago the drivers never worked exactly right...
[04:01] <crimsun> keffo: -r -np
[04:01] <tritium> Dreamer3, when we were working on it last night, I thought you said you already tried 7174
[04:01] <Dreamer3> crimsun: k7 here
[04:02] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: update && dist-upgrade
[04:02] <crimsun> Dreamer3: what motherboard?
[04:02] <Dreamer3> tritium: no, i don't recall anyone mentioning an experimental upgrade :)
[04:02] <snybole> Hello, how do I use apt-get? I'm trying to get xmms. apt-get xmms?
[04:02] <tritium> Dreamer3, it's in hoary
[04:02] <crimsun> snybole: apt-get install xmms
[04:02] <snybole> thanks
[04:02] <jacquesmerde> crimsun...i mean combinations of upgades AND dist-upgrades... so you never run (non dist-)upgrades?
[04:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: biostar
[04:02] <crimsun> snybole: make sure you tell xmms to use the esound output if you're running gnome
[04:02] <Dreamer3> tritium: it's IN hoary now, what just today?
[04:03] <Archer> crimsun: open synaptic package manager and install "alsa-source"???
[04:03] <Dreamer3> tritium: i installed yesterday and i have 7167
[04:03] <tritium> Dreamer3, no, for a few days now
[04:03] <thoreauputic> snybole: you'll want a `sudo` in front odf that :)
[04:03] <crimsun> Archer: you need linux-headers-$(uname -r), build-essential, and alsa-source
[04:03] <thoreauputic> +of
[04:03] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: I use dist-upgrade right up until the stable release
[04:04] <crimsun> Dreamer3: which chipset?
[04:04] <Dreamer3> crimsun: oh, btw, thanks... recompiling alsa fixed that glitch :)
[04:04] <snybole> It's telling me that the package isn't "there" :)
[04:04] <Dreamer3> crimsun: via8233
[04:04] <crimsun> uh oh
[04:04] <thoreauputic> snybole: you need to enable repositories firat
[04:04] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i blacklisted via_agp so nvidia's agp stuff could work, but the problem occurs either way
[04:04] <thoreauputic> *first
[04:04] <crimsun> Dreamer3: those via8233s are a _world_ of trouble with athlons.
[04:04] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I know from firsthand experience.
[04:04] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, sorry to keep at you, but i'm trying to get my head around this....you run no straight upgrades until stable (only dist-upgrades) then do the exaxt opposite once a version hits stable?
[04:04] <crimsun> Dreamer3: try booting with noapic
[04:04] <Dreamer3> crimsun: how so?
[04:04] <keffo> crimsun, thanks.. so that will take everything in the dirs etc?
[04:05] <tritium> whiskers, let me know what you think of octave
[04:05] <snybole> thoreauputic: I'm pretty new to debian etc, what did you mean by that :)
[04:05] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: pretty much
[04:05] <crimsun> keffo: yes. Read the wget man page for more details.
[04:05] <whiskers> tritium, ok it is in...how do you run it
[04:05] <Dreamer3> crimsun: my usb subsystem kept crashing until i flashed the bios :)
[04:05] <thoreauputic> snybole: actually, xmms is in main, so just do `sudo apt-get update` first
[04:05] <snybole> ah
[04:05] <tritium> whiskers, type octave at the command line
[04:05] <keffo> thank you
[04:05] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, sweet. and that works without problem? sounds like i have a dload to do tomorrow...
[04:06] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: works just fine for me
[04:06] <Dreamer3> crimsun: so that's a good thing, i should just add it to my boot.lst?
[04:06] <Dreamer3> crimsun: or test it first?
[04:06] <crimsun> Dreamer3: test it first
[04:06] <thoreauputic> snybole: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:06] <whiskers> tritium, it looks like freemat..i don't know how to use it
[04:06] <snybole> thanks thoreauputic
[04:06] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i got this system (AXP 1800, 512mb, 20+40gig, etc) from my uncle for $25, i didn't pay too much, did I? :)
[04:06] <tritium> whiskers, I'd recommend installing octave2.1-doc, and reading through it if you're unfamiliar with it
[04:06] <thoreauputic> snybole: you're welcome :)
[04:07] <crimsun> Dreamer3: some hardware is not worth the hassle regardless the cost
[04:07] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, thanks for your help. sorry if i was a pain in the ass
[04:07] <whiskers> tritium, it looks just like freemat
[04:07] <dockane> configure-desktop is a gnome gui tool fot tpctl. tpctl got a package but configure-thinkpad not (imho). http://tpctl.sourceforge.net/configure-thinkpad.html offers rpm and so on but no deb package. do i have to compile myself or is there a more beginner friendly way ?
[04:07] <whiskers> tritium, it brings up a command line
[04:07] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: np
[04:07] <tritium> whiskers, they're both matlab clones
[04:07] <whiskers> tritium, but how do you use them
[04:07] <Dreamer3> crimsun: please don't tell me that's what i have
[04:07] <Dreamer3> crimsun: because it seems QUIET speedy and solid outside of the nvidia issues
[04:07] <tritium> whiskers, you need to read the documentation to become a bit familiar with the way it works.
[04:07] <Dreamer3> *QUITE
[04:08] <CarlK> what does "blacklisted" mean - I see in the boot messages: eth0... eepro100: blacklisted
[04:08] <Archer> crimsun: hmm.... ok, after i updated the "software update" program, what do i do next?
[04:08] <Dreamer3> crimsun: and i'm only running of fthe 20go (20mb/s) drive, the 40g is double fast
[04:08] <keffo> crimsun, btw, is ther a way to clear bashhistory? ;P
[04:08] <dockane> is there a apt-rpm or something ?
[04:08] <jacquesmerde> how long til i can get a partition full of badger?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> CarlK: probably modules *not* to load (see /etc/hotplug/blacklist)
[04:09] <bnolte> echo " " > .bashhistory
[04:09] <bnolte> :)
[04:09] <crimsun> keffo: log out, log in as root and erase your other user's ~/.bash_history
[04:09] <kot> any help available if i have nvidia and custom kernel?
[04:09] <crimsun> Archer: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[04:09] <jacquesmerde> hey, i'm having trouble getting my usb midi stuff happening. if i forsake the leanness of arch for ubuntu, will i give myself latency problems?
[04:09] <CarlK> crimsun - "log in as root" ... not "here" ;)
[04:10] <keffo> echo " " > .bashhistory so thats not a good way? ;P
[04:10] <crimsun> keffo: no, because that command still goes into your ~/.bash_history
[04:10] <Dreamer3> doens't hurt to run 686 stuff on athlon, does it?
[04:10] <bnolte> you may want to use the tab key when typing .bashh(tab) im not
[04:10] <bnolte> :)
[04:10] <crimsun> Dreamer3: nope
[04:10] <Archer> crimsun: btw, i did a "apt-get update" in the terminal, but it says error
[04:10] <whiskers> hah this ubuntu is quite interesting
[04:10] <keffo> so if i login as root, and do rm the bash history file
[04:10] <crimsun> Archer: what sort? Paste in #flood
[04:11] <keffo> it'll make a new one right?
[04:11] <jacquesmerde> sometimes i feel i have to *clap* *clap* run away........where is an op when you need a good booting?
[04:11] <calc> keffo: yea with just the lines since your current login
[04:11] <Dreamer3> crimsun: so, the system isn't THAT terrible, is it? :)
[04:11] <keffo> thank you
[04:11] <Archer> crimsun: done
[04:11] <crimsun> Dreamer3: it can be. Mine was awful.
[04:11] <crimsun> Archer: what did you choose?
[04:11] <Dreamer3> crimsun: oh :(
[04:11] <whiskers> tritium, ok....octave says 2 + 2 = 4
[04:11] <Dreamer3> crimsun: reliability or just incompatibility?
[04:12] <crimsun> Dreamer3: reliability
[04:12] <whiskers> tritium, i figured that out
[04:12] <tritium> whiskers, I just sent you an example
[04:12] <Dreamer3> crimsun: how long ago was this
[04:12] <whiskers> tritium, oh you did..let me go back
[04:12] <Dreamer3> crimsun: because my 2001 bios sure seemed crappy...
[04:12] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I'm still using the same system with noapic
[04:12] <Dreamer3> crimsun: 2002 is behaving better
[04:12] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah :)
[04:12] <Dreamer3> crimsun: you have nvidia?
[04:12] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: a bit transparent, that remark, don't you feel?
[04:13] <crimsun> Dreamer3: yup
[04:13] <Dreamer3> crimsun: but never seem the issue i'm having with screens?
[04:13] <son> hi
[04:13] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I saw it constantly in newer kernels unless I used noapic
[04:13] <son> kernel?
[04:13] <son> noapic?
[04:13] <whiskers> tritium, ok i see a simple linear solution you typed
[04:13] <son> WIL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT IT ALL M EANS?
[04:13] <whiskers> tritium, but what are the octave commands to solve this
[04:14] <Dreamer3> crimsun: well, then... i upgrade to the latest driver, and if that doesn't fix it i try nopaic :)
[04:14] <Archer> crimsun: you told me to do "atp-get update" after i delete the "#" in the sources.list
[04:14] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, transparent? how so, pray tell!
[04:14] <son> ..............
[04:14] <crimsun> Archer: close synaptic first :)
[04:14] <tritium> whiskers, I gave you a full example, including the solution
[04:14] <roo_> son, whats the problem?
[04:14] <son> what is a kernel?
[04:14] <apokryphos> son: will you not yell?
[04:14] <crimsun> people really do have a lot of time to be trolling
[04:15] <son> sry
[04:15] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: are you using transparency reliably?
[04:15] <roo_> son, please google. we all google, no-one is born with basic knowledge.
[04:15] <Archer> crimsun: still the same
[04:15] <crimsun> Archer: close all instances of synaptic
[04:15] <son> uhh....
[04:15] <roo_> son, google for "what is the linux kernel"
[04:16] <Archer> crimsun: can i just right click the "software updates" on the top right pane to "update package list now"?
[04:16] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: heh - different meaning of "transparent" ;)
[04:16] <roo_> son, http://www.linuxhelp.net/newbies/
[04:16] <son> google?
[04:16] <crimsun> son's trolling, folks. Leave him be, thanks.
[04:16] <whiskers> tritium, very interesting...it took the parameters of the matrix A
[04:16] <son> oh you mean the internet!?
[04:16] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: oh, ok :)
[04:16] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i couldn't get it working solid :)
[04:16] <son> ok
[04:16] <whiskers> tritium, and it printed inv(A)
[04:16] <hor> I can't play mp3 files here. What do I need to install?!
[04:16] <roo_> crimsun, oops.
[04:16] <whiskers> tritium, that is quite useful
[04:16] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: though i had good luck with transparency alone... and might not have even been a problem but i didn't try it without renderaccel, which seems quite unstable here
[04:16] <crimsun> hor: enable universe and install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[04:16] <tritium> whiskers, good, I'm glad you're liking it already
[04:17] <hor> crimsun, thank you! :)
[04:17] <CarlK> hor - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:17] <whiskers> tritium, yes i like it
[04:17] <tritium> :)
[04:17] <crimsun> Archer: yes, you can
[04:17] <Archer> crimsun: can i just right click the "software updates" on the top right pane to "update package list now"?
[04:17] <Dreamer3> whiskers: what do you like?
[04:18] <Archer> crimsun: updating
[04:18] <hor> CarlK, thx. I could have used the search function on ubuntulinux.org :o/
[04:18] <kzm> Hi again.  Want to hear some X weirdness?
[04:19] <CarlK> hor - no prob - I have that url open just so I can cut/paste it ;)
[04:19] <tritium> Dreamer3, he likes octave now
[04:19] <Dreamer3> tritium: oh
[04:19] <Dreamer3> tritium: i will like everything if i can get this system working :)
[04:19] <jnoreiko> anyone got bluefish 1.0 from backports?
[04:19] <Dreamer3> crimsun: what does noapic actually do?
[04:19] <tritium> Dreamer3, I hope you will...
[04:20] <Dreamer3> jnoreiko: backports are so old news, upgrade to hoary :)
[04:21] <kzm> Anybody else have problem with mp3 playing?  I get stuttering if I put a bit of load on X (e.g. drag windows)
[04:21] <kzm> Something's really broken with (my) Hoary, but I'm not sure exactly what.
[04:21] <dockane> who can help me figuring out the next step to install "configure-thinkpad" ?
[04:21] <Skid> hi folks, I keep getting my /dev/dsp device busy - it's a dell inspiron 8200 laptop - it was working in warty, but it doesn't work in horay any idea?
[04:21] <Skid> i.e.i can't watch movies, or play mp3s
[04:22] <Dreamer3> dockane: didn't someone say it's in the reposity you just needed to apt get it?
[04:22] <jnoreiko> Dreamer3, as soon as they take orders for CDs, I'll be signing up :)
[04:22] <crimsun> kzm: make sure DMA is enabled
[04:22] <jordanau> how do i get root privaleges in gnome without switching user to root?
[04:22] <whiskers> Dreamer3, i like octave and freemat
[04:22] <kzm> crimsun: for disks?  X?  or sound?
[04:22] <crimsun> Dreamer3: disables one of the APIC controllers on your motherboard
[04:22] <Archer> Crimsun: after i update, it shows this error
[04:23] <crimsun> kzm: block devices (HD, CDROM)
[04:23] <Archer> crimsun: i pasted in flood channel
[04:23] <dockane> Dreamer3, and did i ask if i am right with saying thats only tpctl and NOT the gui interface "configure-thinkpad" from
[04:23] <dockane> http://tpctl.sourceforge.net/configure-thinkpad.html
[04:23] <tritium> dockane, I just did "apt-cache search thinkpad".  I'm gues what you want is thinkpad-base
[04:23] <tritium> guessing, that is ;)
[04:23] <Archer> crimsun: wait
[04:23] <truz24> Are there any oss packages that sit on top of sendmail that offer virus protection and webmail access ?
[04:24] <kzm> crimson: already using DMA (according to hdparm)
[04:24] <Kazuhiro> howdy peopl
[04:24] <thoreauputic> truz24: clamav for virus, the other i don't know
[04:25] <whiskers> i need to compile clamav for win98
[04:25] <calc> lots of webmail apps like horde
[04:25] <Archer> crimsun: ok, i go paste the error in #flood
[04:25] <Kazuhiro> any one know how to enable the cpu speedstepping on a latop (pent m)
[04:25] <whiskers> that avg stuff crashes win98 everywhere
[04:25] <whiskers> so i need to compile clamav for win98
[04:26] <crimsun> Archer: is that computer on a live Internet connection?
[04:26] <dockane> tritium, did you take a look to the url ?
[04:26] <tritium> dockane, which?
[04:26] <Archer> crimsun: yes
[04:27] <dockane> tritium, http://tpctl.sourceforge.net/configure-thinkpad.html
[04:27] <daand> Hi there, I've been using windows/dos for 17 years, but i want to give linux a shot, can anyone help me out with a problem?
[04:27] <dockane> daand, maybe
[04:27] <daand> I'm trying to compile a driver for my wireless pcmcia in ubuntu
[04:27] <HiddenWolf> daand: what's up?
[04:27] <daand> and i need to install a normal set of linux dev tools and try again
[04:27] <kzm> Any idea how long it takes from registration before one is allowed to log onto bugzilla?
[04:27] <Dreamer3> ok, my mouse cursor is like redrawn 1000 times a minute in the vncserverclient, any way to turn that off?
[04:27] <tritium> dockane, I saw it
[04:28] <Dreamer3> it's using a LOT of cpu on both ends looks like
[04:28] <jordanau> daand, have you tried ndiswrapper
[04:28] <jordanau> ?
[04:28] <daand> no, but i think it supports the spectrum24 (aka intel 2011)
[04:28] <daand> how does that work?
[04:28] <Archer> crimsun: should i try updating again?
[04:28] <crimsun> Archer: yes
[04:28] <crimsun> Archer: and if that fails, try another mirror
[04:28] <Archer> crimsun: ok
[04:28] <tritium> dockane, you should first try tpctl, since it's available in ubuntu
[04:28] <jordanau> daand, does your card already have linux drivers or not
[04:29] <daand> yes, intel points me to some, I'm trying to compile them
[04:29] <HiddenWolf> daand, try 'sudo apt-get build-depends; in a console
[04:29] <dockane> tritium, where the heck do i get this gui from ? the offered packeges on the url do no include deb and tpctl and thinkpad-base do not include it. tpctl is only command line and thinkpad-base looks like drivers
[04:29] <HiddenWolf> daand, that should give you all the tools you need to compile
[04:29] <daand> hiddenwolf: invalid operation
[04:29] <thoreauputic> daand: they may already exist in the default kernel if supported
[04:30] <daand> how do i know if it works?
[04:30] <Archer> crimsun: this time, no errors, but it does not show up the "software update"
[04:30] <tritium> dockane, the gui is not availabe for ubuntu.  tpctl is apparently ncurses-based
[04:30] <daand> the device manager doesnt tell me much, but it does support my pcmcia slot
[04:30] <thoreauputic> daand: I think he meant   sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:30] <HiddenWolf> thoreauputic: check
[04:30] <tritium> dockane, did you run "ntpctl"?
[04:30] <HiddenWolf> daand, sorry about that
[04:31] <daand> np :)
[04:31] <daand> ok, its doing something
[04:31] <daand> I take it this will compile stuff?
[04:31] <dockane> tritium, ah well thats the information a nooby like me is crying for. ncurses .. *?*
[04:31] <thoreauputic> daand: no, just give you the tools
[04:31] <daand> its 'gcc' sounds pretty close to the 'cc' i was asked for earlier
[04:31] <crimsun> Archer: now install linux-headers-$(uname -r), build-essential, and alsa-source
[04:32] <dockane> tritium, says "Device file does not exist"
[04:32] <thoreauputic> daand: yes, it's the GNU C compiler
[04:32] <tritium> dockane, hmm, I don't have a thinkpad.  Do you know what device it's trying to access?
[04:32] <daand> good to know, thnx
[04:32] <nicole> hey
[04:32] <nicole> how r u
[04:33] <dockane> tritium, i think it must one of the devices thinkpad-base installs
[04:33] <nicole> g2g sry talk to u later
[04:33] <dockane> *be
[04:33] <daand> oh, another question, how do i make the file explorer browse in the same window?
[04:33] <daand> I'm getting carpal tunnel using a touchpad to close everything :)
[04:33] <tritium> dockane, not sure what to suggest
[04:33] <crimsun> back later.
[04:33] <thully> hi - does anyone know why the codename for the next release (post-Hoary) was changed from "Grumpy Groundhog" to "Breezy Badger"?
[04:34] <daand> off-topic: love the names
[04:34] <tritium> dockane, actually, it appears that thinkpad-base is configuration files.  thinkpad-source is the source code for modules
[04:34] <thoreauputic> thully: grumpy will be the "everything breaks" unstable version ;)
[04:34] <Archer> crimsun: erm... i dunno which one to choose, anyway, i need to go study as i have a exam tomorrow.... sorry, i will let it update everything first
[04:34] <tritium> dockane, You'll probably need to build those modules in thinkpad-source
[04:35] <thully> yes - but hoary was that after warty's release, right?
[04:35] <thully> will grumpy be like sid - a codename which never changes?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> thully: wart >> hoary >> breezy
[04:35] <thoreauputic> thully: I think so
[04:36] <thully> so, will breezy be like "testing" and grumpy "unstable"
[04:36] <thoreauputic> thully: not really - debian testing changes, breezy won't
[04:36] <Kazuhiro> tritium, im on a thinkpad too ntpctl results in a segmentation fault
[04:37] <tritium> Kazuhiro, did you build modules from thinkpad-source?
[04:37] <thully> well, what about before it is a final release?  hoary changes now, why won't breezy?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> thully: once it's released I mean
[04:37] <Kazuhiro> tritium, nope :(
[04:37] <thoreauputic> thully: like hoary until Friday, yeah
[04:37] <tritium> Kazuhiro, I don't have a thinkpad, but from the package information, that seems to be what you should do
[04:37] <daand> I installed gcc, but its not in usr/src/linux
[04:37] <daand> can anyone tell me how to find it?
[04:37] <daand> or do i need to reboot first
[04:37] <Skid> hi, im running horay, 2.6.10, on a dell inspiron sound card is intel ac '97 - i can't get it to support mixing... can someone please assist?
[04:37] <Dreamer3_> ok, can anyone tell me how to fix cursor redraw issue with vncviewer?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> daand: /usr/bin/gcc
[04:38] <thully> yes - OK, so it will be hoary=stable breezy=testing grumpy=unstable (until breezy's release) correct?
[04:38] <oklinux> can I dual boot with ubuntu ?
[04:38] <daand> annoying how simple the answer is, thnx alot
[04:38] <tritium> oklinux, yes
[04:38] <Dreamer3_> when i hold my cursor over the vns window cpu usage on box boxes jumps to like 75% asnd it looks like it's drawing it like crazy
[04:38] <thoreauputic> daand: to find an executable, type   which <name>
[04:38] <daand> good to know, thank you
[04:39] <thoreauputic> daand: to read the manual, type ` man gcc`
[04:39] <thoreauputic> daand: and put aside a few days.... hehe
[04:39] <LeeColleton> is it possible to scrollback in a "screen" session?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> LeeColleton: page up I think
[04:40] <LeeColleton> thoreauputic: prints "~"
[04:40] <tritium> LeeColleton, try shift-pageup
[04:40] <LeeColleton> tritium: just beeps
[04:41] <LeeColleton> this isn't an ordinary terminal window, it's a screen session
[04:41] <tritium> hmm, that works in consoles and terminals...
[04:41] <tritium> LeeColleton, the screen manpage and docs don't have any info on it?
[04:43] <LeeColleton> tritium: there's an option to output a hardcopy file of the session, which I could grep through...
[04:43] <Skid> hi, im running horay, 2.6.10, on a dell inspiron sound card is intel ac '97 - i can't get it to support mixing... can someone please assist?
[04:44] <tritium> LeeColleton, I've not used it, so I'm afraid I'm not much help
[04:44] <richard42> when you install the ubuntu cyrus packages -- how is the user database set up by default?
[04:44] <LeeColleton> tritium: it's a really handy way of leaving interactive terminal programs running (mplayer on a server, streamripper, et cetera)
[04:45] <tritium> LeeColleton, yeah, so I've heard ;)
[04:46] <thully> hi - has anyone manages to transfer AAC files to an iPod in Ubuntu?
[04:46] <thully> s/manages/managed
[04:46] <Nermal> does gtkpod support that ?
[04:47] <thully> gtkpod upstream does, but not the version in universe (it needs to be built against MP4 libs)
[04:48] <thully> gtkpod seems to have lots of dependencies - not something I'd like to compile
[04:48] <Ilta> LeeColleton: try entering copy mode (command-Esc) and moving around.
[04:49] <LeeColleton> Ilta: thanks!
[04:49] <LeeColleton> how do I exit copy mode?
[04:50] <LeeColleton> oh, nevermind
[04:50] <LeeColleton> Esc again does it
[04:51] <LeeColleton> And that was (Ctrl+a Esc) to enter copy mode, for our home viewers
[04:52] <dieman> heh
[04:52] <dieman> iiinteresting. update-manager wont run dpkg --configure -a for you if it needs to
[04:52] <dieman> oh well.
[04:53] <blueyed> thoreauputic, about setting the default browser: I've used sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser, instead of hardcoding it into xchat.
[04:53] <amran> hello ppl. i would like some help.it seems in my quest to restore xfce to its non-nautilus'd state, ive inadvertantly killed a bumnch of gnome config for menus. namely the whole /et/xdg dir. anyone know how i can reconfig/restore my gnome menus? and at the same time restore my scfe config to its default?
[04:54] <blueyed> thoreauputic, about setting the default browser: I've used sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser, instead of hardcoding it into xchat.
[04:54] <daand> where can i find the linux source tree please?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> blueyed: why?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> blueyed: ah, I see, sorry
[04:55] <thoreauputic> misread your post
[04:55] <blueyed> because if I should change my mind.. and I like the /etc/alternatives way.. np.
[04:56] <saik0> Good morning #ubuntu.
[04:56] <thoreauputic> blueyed: yes I see
[04:56] <PecK> hey all
[04:56] <PecK> now W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:56] <blueyed> Now I've compiled Krusader from CVS and it kicks ass!
[04:56] <thoreauputic> blueyed: after that split my eyes went funny ;-)
[04:56] <PecK> been happening since yesterday. was there a server change?
[04:56] <blueyed> split?
[04:57] <keyhack> Is there a way to have fetchmail pass new mail messages to a binary?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> blueyed: there was a huge netsplit and I was disconnected :)
[04:57] <tritium> daand, have you installed the source package yet?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> tritium: I believe he installed headers
[04:58] <amran> someone help? please?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> tritium: he's using ndiswrapper or something
[04:58] <tritium> thoreauputic, I see.  I didn't know if anybody helped him.
[04:58] <thoreauputic> tritium: but I know nothing about ndiswrapper, so....
[04:58] <saik0> Hmm, maybe this should be asked in a mac channel but...Is there a relativelt simple way to share a printer on a mac with one running ubuntu?
[04:58] <daand> i'm not using ndiswrapper
[04:58] <tritium> thoreauputic, nor do I ;)
[04:59] <daand> trying to do it the official intel way
[04:59] <thoreauputic> daand: oh, sorry you mentioned ndiswrapper
[04:59] <tritium> daand, do what the official Intel way?
[04:59] <IRCMarK> hi, I've a question, I'm currently using Ubuntu The Warty Warthog, what happens when the new version will be released? Do I have to format and reinstall everything or the system will automatically update?
[04:59] <British> hi
[04:59] <daand> http://sourceforge.net/projects/spectrum24/
[04:59] <apokryphos> IRCMarK: no, you can upgrade with apt
[04:59] <daand> intel tells me to use that for the 2011 card
[04:59] <spacey> IRCMarK, you can follow the update procedure
[05:00] <apokryphos> IRCMarK: even now
[05:00] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell IRCMarK ubuhoary
[05:00] <Pyre> IRCMarK: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:00] <IRCMarK> thank you all
[05:00] <daand> trying to make config, asked for cc, installed gcc, asked for linux source tree
[05:00] <IRCMarK> very much
[05:00] <British> I've installed Ubuntu - two days ago.
[05:00] <daand> but i dont know where the linux source tree is installed
[05:00] <apokryphos> query IRCMarK
[05:00] <dstate> query whoops_forgot_the/
[05:01] <bur[n] er_> daand: apt-get install build-essential
[05:01] <solidape> anyone here succesfully installed lirc on ubuntu? i'm a lost newbie in need of help....
[05:01] <tritium> daand, you need to install it first.  You actually only need a linux-headers package, not the full source
[05:01] <British> anybody here actually living in Columbia? If so, is there a decent computer shop where one can find bits and pieces?
[05:01] <thoreauputic> daand: this might all be unnecessary if the module exists and your card is supported by the kernel... do you know it isn't?
[05:01] <daand> can anyone tell me where ubuntu leaves the linux source tree
[05:01] <daand> i dont know how to check :)
[05:01] <Skid> im running horay, 2.6.10, on a dell inspiron sound card is intel ac '97 - i can't get it to support mixing... can someone please assist?
[05:01] <daand> but i know that ndiswrapper doesnt
[05:02] <tritium> daand, as I said, you need to install either a linux-source or a linux-headers package.
[05:02] <whiteknight> daand, it puts it in /usr/src
[05:02] <icarus> Skid, try installing dbmix
[05:02] <daand> thnx whiteknight
[05:02] <Skid> apt-get install dbmix ?
[05:02] <icarus> ya
[05:02] <thoreauputic> tritium: he installed linux-headers-$(uname-r)
[05:02] <Skid> dj mixer?
[05:02] <solidape> can anyone help me with installing lirc? i'm lost....
[05:02] <British> anybody here actually living in Columbia? If so, is there a decent computer shop where one can find bits and pieces?
[05:03] <amran> hello ppl. i would like some help.it seems in my quest to restore xfce to its non-nautilus'd state, ive inadvertantly killed a bumnch of gnome config for menus. namely the whole /et/xdg dir. anyone know how i can reconfig/restore my gnome menus? and at the same time restore my scfe config to its default?
[05:03] <tritium> daand, dpkg -L <packagename> will list where files in a package are located
[05:03] <tritium> thoreauputic, thanks, he didn't tell me
[05:03] <daand> package name is linux-headers or linux-headers-$(uname-r)?
[05:04] <daand> tritium
[05:04] <tritium> daand, the latter
[05:04] <daand> thnx
[05:04] <snybole> So, I'm trying to install some new things now, but it seems like it needs something from the install CDrom, but when I've inserted the cdrom, it doesnt find it, is there someway I can make it download things? F.ex. gcc?
[05:04] <saik0>  daand, the linux-headers package is just a metapackage, much like linix-x86 package
[05:05] <daand> saiko: sorry, metapackage?
[05:05] <thoreauputic> snybole: sudo apt-get install build-essential     (for gcc and tools)
[05:06] <snybole> thanks again :)
[05:06] <nicole> nicole
[05:06] <nicole> hi
[05:06] <saik0> daand, basically the linux-headers pacage just depends on the appopriate headers for your installed kernel(s?)
[05:06] <nicole> hi
[05:06] <daand> ah, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5
[05:06] <nicole> how r u today
[05:06] <garrut> hi
[05:06] <PecK> hi
[05:06] <daand> let me see if it works
[05:07] <PecK> lol
[05:07] <daand> it worked :)
[05:07] <thoreauputic> nicole is an IRC butterfly, it seems...
[05:07] <daand> dpgk -L linux-headers-2.6.10-5 was the answer
[05:08] <daand> that (uname) thing, is that a way to tell it to install the latest version instead of typing the full name?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> daand: as i said, $(uname -r) expands to the correct kernel
[05:08] <thoreauputic> daand: type  uname -r to see
[05:09] <thoreauputic> uname -a tells you more
[05:10] <daand> thank you, i'll try that
[05:10] <daand> is /lib/modules/(version)/ an acceptable place to install?
[05:10] <tritium> daand, that's standard
[05:10] <daand> by version i mean 2.6.10-5-386
[05:10] <daand> ok, I'll put it there then
[05:10] <thoreauputic> daand: you normally accept defaults
[05:11] <solidape> anyone gotten lirc to work? i'm having some problems.....
[05:11] <saik0> How can I share a printer on a Mac with a linux box? Google offered no solutions
[05:11] <thoreauputic> daand: that way the system knows where they are ;)
[05:11] <daand> that was the default, just making sure :)
[05:11] <tritium> saik0, is it a newer Mac that can use cups?
[05:11] <saik0> tritium, it's running OS X if that helps
[05:12] <tritium> saik0, I know OS X has cups clients.  I would expect that you can also share the printer using cups.
[05:12] <daand> tells me to reconfigure and rebuild my kernel with pcmcia enabled
[05:12] <daand> but i know that in device manager my pcmcia stuff is properly detected
[05:13] <charm> How can I fix : short read in buffer copy error when trying to install a package?
[05:13] <xoxoxo> hello. i am using hoary, and i have a orinoco card. but ubuntu cannot detect my card: once i push the card into pcmcia slot, i expect that the power led of the card would turn on, but that didnt. how can i turn on the card?
[05:13] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, the power led will usually turn on when the driver is loaded
[05:14] <saik0> tritium, thanks I'll look into that
[05:14] <daand> hmm, i think my card works on orinoco as well
[05:14] <tritium> saik0, sure, it's just a guess :)
[05:14] <charm> re: short read buffer, tried apt-get -f install, but it didn't correct the problem.
[05:14] <saik0> tritium, better than nothing
[05:15] <tritium> :)
[05:15] <libben> 5 new updates allready =)
[05:15] <xoxoxo> whiteknight: i modprobe orinoco, but the led didnt turn on. any idea?
[05:15] <tritium> xoxoxo, what about orinoco_cs ?
[05:15] <xoxoxo> ok, let me try a gain
[05:15] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, check lsmod to see if a driver has been loaded
[05:16] <saik0> tritium, if you search google for 'mac cups' you'll find 2 useful pages and a bunch of coffe mugs =)
[05:16] <tritium> saik0, hah, how useful
[05:16] <daand> whiteknight: if i lsmod and it tells me that the pcmcia_core has loaded orinoco_cs,pcmcia and yenta_socket that it might work?
[05:16] <snybole> oh, one more thing, I have 2 soundcards in my computer, and I want to use my soundblaster, but alsamixer uses my other, how can I change that?
[05:17] <xoxoxo> anyway, how to configure ubuntu, so it can automatically insmod the kernel module when i insert the card?
[05:17] <whiteknight> saik0, how about this? http://www.danka.de/apple-cups-en/
[05:17] <tritium> xoxoxo, add it to /etc/modules
[05:17] <xoxoxo> ok, this is the lsmod output
[05:18] <tritium> xoxoxo, don't paste if it's long
[05:18] <whiteknight> daand, yeah then try iwconfig
[05:18] <charm> can't do any apt-get update or upgrade until this stupid short read in buffer copy is fixed.
[05:18] <daand> tells me no wireless extensions @ whiteknight
[05:18] <teleyinex> hi
[05:19] <trygvebw> HI! What is glib-dev called in Ubuntu? I'm trying to compile Gutenprint, and it complains about missing glib.h.
[05:19] <xoxoxo> ok, after modprobe, i saw the module. but the led still didnt blink?
[05:19] <teleyinex> someone knows how can i compile mplayer with xv support?
[05:19] <teleyinex> cause i dont find the dev package of xorg
[05:19] <whiteknight> daand, is there any info when you do dmeg?
[05:19] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, is this a pcmica card?
[05:20] <xoxoxo> orinoco, orinoco_cs, yenta_socket, pcmcia,.... everything shows in lsmod
[05:20] <xoxoxo> whiteknight: yes, it is. i am on the notebook now
[05:20] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, what does iwconfig say?
[05:20] <trygvebw> anyone?
[05:20] <whiteknight> daand, sorry that should be dmesg
[05:20] <xoxoxo> i guess if the module is not orinoco, i cannot modprobe, rite?
[05:20] <xoxoxo> it will report error then ?
[05:21] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, it should only load the appropriate modules, check dmesg
[05:21] <daand> whiteknight: yes, a bucketload, let me sift through
[05:21] <daand> any hints on what i'm looking for
[05:21] <whiteknight> daand, anything mentioning orinoco
[05:21] <xoxoxo> if the led doesnt blink, i guess iwconfig makes no sense
[05:22] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, what exactly is your card?
[05:22] <whiteknight> daand, what exactly is your card?
[05:22] <whiteknight> juggling two problems!
[05:22] <xoxoxo> dmesg shows that the modules inserted, that is all
[05:22] <xoxoxo> whiteknight: buffalo wli-pcm-L11G
[05:23] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, okay give me a sec
[05:23] <xoxoxo> i am sure that the card is fine: winXP detects it very well
[05:23] <charm> Ironically enough I'm using a Microsoft card and it works great! (Broadcom)
[05:23] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, no i don't doubt the card, just going to check the driver
[05:23] <daand> whiteknight: sorry for the juggling, no orinoco loaded, and my card is an intel 2011
[05:23] <icarus> xoxoxo, do you have an entry for the card in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:24] <xoxoxo> yeah it is clear that windows support wireless better than linux
[05:24] <xoxoxo> icarus: that doesnt matter, rite?
[05:24] <thoreauputic> charm: double irony Microsoft + Broadcom
[05:24] <xoxoxo> ubuntu doesnt detects the card, so to have ip config in network/interfaces or not, that doesnt matter
[05:24] <charm> Actually the driver I'm using was NOT written by Microsoft, but someone else.
[05:25] <xoxoxo> charm: no. driver is written by the maker/producer
[05:25] <xoxoxo> not microsoft
[05:25] <charm> The driver I'm using wasn't on the Microsoft CD, it was a hacked version of the Windows driver that behaves much better.
[05:26] <daand> nothing in network/interfaces
[05:27] <xoxoxo> usually the producer write the driver themself, then submit it to MS. then it will be include into windows. that is how the devices are supported in windows world
[05:27] <Dreamer3_> new kernel = recompile alas again *sighs* :)
[05:28] <tritium> Dreamer3_, you're compiling your own?
[05:28] <Skid> hmm, still can't get my ac 97 intel soundcard to mix - anyideas?
[05:28] <Dreamer3_> tritium: yeah, out of the box ubuntu alsa doesn't support my hardware and prevent gnome from even loading
[05:28] <Skid> horay.. 2.6.10
[05:28] <Dreamer3_> tritium: i mean i'm using the debian package, so it's not too hard :)
[05:28] <tritium> Dreamer3_, oh, I see.
[05:28] <xoxoxo> so is there any good links on how to config wireless on ubuntu?
[05:29] <xoxoxo> this problem makes me crazy
[05:29] <solidape> how do i control vlc with lirc... i can move the mouse with my remote and so, but i can't control vlc....
[05:30] <teleyinex> someone has compile mplayer?
[05:30] <juser> teleyinex, best to ask in #mplayer
[05:30] <Dreamer3_> wow, screen savers are totally different with a nice video card, i swear i didn't even see some of this stuff before
[05:31] <tritium> Dreamer3_, did you get the nvidia issue resolved?
[05:31] <goldfish> just wondering, i have an nvidia card, i did an dpkg-reconfigure xserver, should i use nv or nvidia drivers?
[05:31] <pdoms> Hi guys, how do i add a downloaded skin in xmms pls?
[05:31] <goldfish> coz i chose nvidia and it was all blurry, so i switched to nv
[05:31] <goldfish> but i find nv really slow when i use transset
[05:32] <tritium> goldfish, you want nvidia
[05:32] <goldfish> ah right
[05:32] <tritium> goldfish, did you install nvidia-glx and run nvidia-glx-config enable?
[05:32] <goldfish> nvidia was all mad
[05:32] <goldfish> i did on warty]
[05:32] <pdoms> Anyone knows how to add a skin in XMMS ?
[05:33] <goldfish> i upgraded to hoary the other day
[05:33] <pdoms> btw: ubuntu owns =)
[05:33] <tritium> deFrysk, what nvidia issues did you have?
[05:33] <thoreauputic> pdoms: extract it to ~/.xmms/Skins/
[05:33] <pdoms> thanks thoreauputic
[05:33] <tritium> goldfish, you shoulld still have nvidia in your xorg.conf then
[05:33] <thoreauputic> np
[05:33] <solidape> do i need a plugin to control vlc with lirc?
[05:33] <pdoms> thoreauputic, in separated dirs?
[05:33] <deFrysk> tritium, x Froze
[05:33] <thoreauputic> pdoms: from memory, yes
[05:34] <tritium> I'll be back...
[05:34] <deFrysk> my tnt card does no longer work on newer drivers so i got another card
[05:34] <deFrysk> X.org: 6.8.2 | Monitor: C1770NSL/NST | Videocard: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  | Res: 1280x1024, 24-bits | Audio: Avance Logic Inc. ALS4000 Audio Chipset | X-chat: 2.4.1
[05:34] <thoreauputic> pdoms: yes, each skin has a dir
[05:34] <deFrysk> that one LD
[05:34] <keyhack> Is there a way to get fetchmail to pass new mail to an application? Or do I have to use fetchmail and procmail together?
[05:34] <deFrysk> pdoms, just put the package inthere , dont unpack it
[05:35] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: ah, you don't need to extract? It works extracted, though
[05:35] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, afaIk no need to extract
[05:36] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, but as usual I could be wrong
[05:36] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: OK, good to know, thanks :)
[05:36] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: no, i think both work actually
[05:36] <spanglesontoast> does cedega work if I install it?
[05:36] <pdoms> Thanks guys, putted each skin in diff dir & it works fine
[05:37] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: one would imagine so
[05:37] <zeedo> spanglesontoast: you try using it without installing it, but installing it is usually the best course of action
[05:37] <spanglesontoast> lol
[05:37] <spanglesontoast> erm I meant what package types do I use rpm or deb?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: guess (hint- debian based distros = deb + Ubuntu = Debian-based)
[05:38] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[05:39] <spanglesontoast> i actually love this distro more than fedora or mandrake
[05:39] <spanglesontoast> so I mite stay for a bit lol
[05:39] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: I should hpe so!  *grin*
[05:39] <thoreauputic> *hope
[05:39] <pirate> Every time I load GNOME it freezes. It's something to do with Nautilus, because everything is fine until I launch that... anyone else having that problem?
[05:39] <spanglesontoast> It's actually quite comfy gnome 2.10 makes me happy
[05:40] <whiskers> spanglesontoast, what is in gnome 2.10
[05:41] <whiskers> spanglesontoast, this looks like gnome 2.8
[05:41] <deFrysk> whiskers, so does gnome 2.6
[05:41] <deFrysk> whiskers, so does gnome 2.4
[05:41] <topyli> pirate: that's weird because you don't actually even "launch" it, it's running all the time
[05:41] <spanglesontoast> lol
[05:41] <deFrysk> blah
[05:41] <pdoms> Anyone know where I can make firefox open x-chat if I click an irc:// link?
[05:41] <spanglesontoast> erm how do I install .deb
[05:41] <spanglesontoast> is there a command or something
[05:41] <deFrysk> spanglesontoast, dpkg -i
[05:41] <pirate> topyli: Actually, it's not running all the time -- until you launch the gnome-session.
[05:41] <invictus> dpkg -i file.deb
[05:41] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast:  sudo dpkg -i
[05:41] <deFrysk> spacey, use sudo
[05:42] <pirate> topyli: I was trying to pinpoint the problem by launching components separately and seeing which one gave me a problem.
[05:42] <topyli> pirate: exactly
[05:42] <topyli> ah
[05:42] <deFrysk> spacey, i ment spanglesontoast darn autocompl.
[05:42] <pirate> =>
[05:42] <spanglesontoast> lost.
[05:42] <deFrysk> spanglesontoast, its good to be lost
[05:42] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: you need to be in the directory the deb is in
[05:43] <pdoms> Anyone know where I can make firefox open x-chat if I click an irc:// link? // or does any1 know where i can register a protocol? ^o)
[05:43] <pirate> Ubuntu is really awesome... just wish my GNOME wouldn't lock up.
[05:43] <spanglesontoast> yea it just opens the archive thingy
[05:43] <saik0> how would I allow iptables to accept Ipp on port 631 to aything on 10.0.1.* (the IP is what I cant figure out, using firestarter it says thats invalid)
[05:43] <spanglesontoast> not any installer
[05:43] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: then sudo dpkg -i <name of deb>
[05:43] <whiskers> deFrysk, well gnome 2.6 did not have dbus and hal as far as i know
[05:43] <topyli> pirate: so you start from something like a naked xterm and then launch gnome-panel, evolution-data-server, nautilus, whatever?
[05:43] <keyhack> I need some help with fetchmail/procmail. I am trying to use Lurker (http://lurker.sf.net/) and the INSTALL file tells you how to set up procmail to pass new mail to the lurker-index binary, however, mail does not reside on my webserver, the e-mail is outsourced. Is there a way to get procmail to check remote POP3 mail account and pass new mail to a binary?
[05:43] <spanglesontoast> I really want to be able to just double click
[05:43] <spanglesontoast> on it
[05:43] <deFrysk> sudo dpkg -i /pat/to/blah.deb
[05:43] <deFrysk> path*
[05:44] <whiskers> deFrysk, so that is why i am wondering what is in 2.10
[05:44] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: well, you're SOL then
[05:44] <pirate> topyli: Well, no. In fact I'm not even sure it's nautilus.
[05:44] <deFrysk> whiskers, improvements an firefox as standard browser , hal and more
[05:44] <whiskers> deFrysk, oh ok....sounds interesting
[05:45] <deFrysk> whiskers, 2.12 is gonna be mostly focussed on speeding things up
[05:45] <pirate> Actually... now it's all messed up.
[05:46] <whiskers> deFrysk, i am not sure what dbus and hal are up to...but perhaps someday when a usb device is plugged in..there will be a gnome message indicating this
[05:46] <deFrysk> whiskers, likely
[05:47] <topyli> pirate: what if you create another user and try a virgin gnome setup?
[05:47] <pirate> topyli: Tried that... same problem. Sometimes it doesn't even launch gnome - it doesn't freeze, but doesn't load anything.
[05:47] <jini> i cant get menu working in fluxbox..need help
[05:48] <spanglesontoast> why haven't I got a root user?
[05:48] <deFrysk> spanglesontoast, ubuntu uses sudo
[05:48] <topyli> pirate: hrm. sure you have everything installed?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: because there is't one
[05:48] <deFrysk> no need for root account
[05:48] <spanglesontoast> what is sudo?
[05:49] <spanglesontoast> I used it before but not sure what it was
[05:49] <jini> i am curruntly using warty and the fluxbox thet is in the rep. But the menu does not work.
[05:49] <jini> i dont get a menu
[05:49] <pirate> topyli: I'm positive. I honestly don't think would matter if I was missing something =/ Deps are deps.
[05:49] <deFrysk> spanglesontoast, man sudo
[05:50] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo/view?searchterm=root%20sudo
[05:50] <jini> anyone that would care to help _
[05:50] <jini> _
[05:50] <daand> can anyone tell me which command to run to get linux-source-2.6.10?
[05:51] <spanglesontoast> odd
[05:51] <spanglesontoast> it keeps saying dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[05:51] <spanglesontoast> oh
[05:51] <spanglesontoast> dw
[05:51] <tritium> daand, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[05:51] <spanglesontoast> synaptic
[05:51] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: close synaptic and other apt processes
[05:51] <tritium> daand, however, that's not needed to compile modules
[05:51] <thoreauputic> then try again
[05:51] <AcidWolf> anyone running Ubuntu on PPC i need a copy of the PPC Repositories
[05:51] <spanglesontoast> duh.
[05:51] <topyli> pirate: damn, dude. you've been troubleshooting all day. you deserve a working gnome!
[05:52] <jini> would it be safe if i changed my rep from warty to hoary and install fluxbox _
[05:52] <pirate> *begins to sob quietly*
[05:52] <topyli> no! break something!
[05:52] <pirate> It's already broken =>
[05:53] <topyli> hehe
[05:53] <topyli> pirate: well, i'm stumped. all i can do really is to check the obvious :(
[05:54] <thoreauputic> jini: I have a recent ( 0.9.12) fluxbox deb if you want one for warty
[05:54] <AcidWolf> anyone willing to let me paste my sources.list to them in pvt to check if ive modified them correctly
[05:54] <topyli> pirate: except when it's my own box. then i tend to _miss_ something obvious, until somebody points it out on irc :)
[05:54] <AcidWolf> this would be really really helpful :)
[05:54] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: paste on pastebin.com
[05:55] <topyli> AcidWolf: paste it in #flood so we can all laugh at it :)
[05:55] <AcidWolf> ok
[05:55] <thoreauputic> rofl @ topyli
[05:55] <pirate> topyli: It happens (= just gonna start clean and sort it out now
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[05:55] <deFrysk> # deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[05:55] <deFrysk> # deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## repository.
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## team.
[05:55] <topyli> aargh!
[05:55] <deFrysk>  deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[05:55] <tritium> deFrysk, please don't
[05:55] <deFrysk> # deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[05:55] <deFrysk> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[05:55] <deFrysk> #deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[05:55] <deFrysk> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[05:55] <deFrysk> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[05:56] <deFrysk> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[05:56] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
[05:56] <deFrysk> shit that went wrong
[05:56] <bwlang> dFrysk: ya think ...
[05:56] <topyli> yeah, do it again... NEVER
[05:56] <topyli> hehe
[05:56] <tritium> deFrysk, go to your room ;)
[05:56] <deFrysk> tritium, good plan :s
[05:57] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, more more !!
[05:57] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[05:57] <deFrysk> \o/
[05:57] <deFrysk> power of paste
[05:58] <topyli> AcidWolf: you may want the universe line uncommented. also, you might prefer not to have the deb-src lines there all the time
[05:58] <AcidWolf> ty
[05:58] <BSDDog> Hey, anyone know if there's a way to make mac-mini sound work on 5.04?
[05:58] <ViDar> quick question: how can I enable Num Lock during boot...that it would be "on" as default?
[05:59] <thoreauputic> ViDar: install numlockx
[05:59] <airox> Does anybody know a solution to encrypt a harddisk (or a file on a harddisk) and let it be mounted on linux AND windows and is free ?
[05:59] <Tresoldi> Hello people, I've just installed kubuntu and set my screen to 800x600. However, the login screen is still at 1024x768 and so the resolution is only changed when loading my desktop. How do I set that first (login) screen resolution?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> ViDar: see apt-cache show numlockx
[06:00] <pirate> Tresoldi: Set your xorg.conf to the res you want
[06:00] <ViDar> thoreauputic : thanks :)
[06:00] <Tresoldi> pirate: thank you, I'll try
[06:00] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[06:00] <Keizer> Nuclear Elephant
[06:01] <thoreauputic> Keizer: Nuclear Elephant ??
[06:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i still can't get to a console... and noapic didn't seem to do anything
[06:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: kernel still said apic was found and enabled
[06:03] <pirate> Has anyone had experience with EZ-Tablets, Transmeta Crusoe processors?
[06:03] <Florob> airox: perhaps gpg?
[06:03] <Keizer> thoreauputic, Yep
[06:03] <Dreamer3> Kernel command line: root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet splash noapic
[06:03] <Dreamer3> Found and enabled local APIC!
[06:03] <Dreamer3> mapped APIC to ffffd000 (fee00000)
[06:03] <Dreamer3> is that normal?
[06:03] <tritium> Dreamer3, did you try nolapic as well?
[06:03] <spanglesontoast> er problem
[06:03] <spanglesontoast> my audio crashes things
[06:03] <Dreamer3> tritium: no, i didn't try that... is that what i want?
[06:03] <spanglesontoast> or doesn't work
[06:03] <Dreamer3> tritium: i mean i'm just tring to get back to a console here
[06:04] <tritium> Dreamer3, you may need to use both.  Just try all combinations.
[06:04] <pirate> spanglesontoast: Are you permissions correctly set?
[06:04] <pirate> * your
[06:04] <spanglesontoast> not sure this is first install
[06:04] <moquist> anybody know why when I create an innodb mysql table, the resulting table is myisam?  do I need to install another package to get innodb table type support?
[06:04] <spanglesontoast> so I'm new to this distro
[06:04] <airox> Florob: Would there be an application that could make the gpg encryption transparant ? So I can just move files into a dir and they will be on the encrypted dir ?
[06:05] <Dreamer3> tritium: would that fix my video though?
[06:05] <airox> moquist: When you do CREATE TABLE there is an option to specify it.
[06:05] <Dreamer3> tritium: cause everything seems to be working fine but that :(
[06:05] <moquist> airox: right.  and I specify "innodb", but when I dump the DB the type is "myisam".
[06:05] <Florob> airox: well, gpg only works for files not for directorys, but is the only solution I can think of that works from linux AND windows
[06:05] <tritium> Dreamer3, I can't guarantee that.  I'm just following up on what you tried before.
[06:05] <airox> Florob: Ok.
[06:05] <airox> Florob: Thanks.
[06:06] <moquist> airox: there's probably a better way to look at the table metadata than dumping the DB; I'll find it.
[06:06] <topyli> Amaranth: ping?
[06:07] <Dreamer3> tritium: ok, thanks!