[01:38] <masber> good morning all
[01:38] <masber> I am trying to bring up a network interface but somehow it is not working
[01:38] <masber> https://pastebin.com/raw/hD7BT3r0
[01:39] <masber> it says "Unknown interface ens224"
[01:39] <masber> do I need to add ens224 to my interfaces file?
[01:53] <Poster> that would be my guess yes
[02:52] <transhuman> hi, small problem my /etc/resolv.conf doesnt seem to get populated, how do i fix correctly?
[02:53] <cncr04s> add <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> to it
[03:06] <transhuman> that doesnt survive a reboot added dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS> to interface seems to take care of it
[03:07] <transhuman> next question does kvm /ubuntu guests have a guests tools ...I  know centos has a guest tool for kvm?
[05:31] <cpaelzer> goo dmorning
[05:31] <cpaelzer> uh space(-time) is distorted
[06:46] <tohuw> Has anyone seen an issue in 16.04.2 where postfix-ldap and similar packages deploy modules with paths like "/usr/lib/postfix/postfix-ldap.so.1.0.1" when postfix expects "/usr/lib/postfix/postfix-ldap.so"?
[06:47] <tohuw> I can resolve the immediate problem with symlinking, but I'm keen to know if there's something wrong in my installation base or in the package triggers or what
[06:53] <sarnold> hrm I think those symlinks should be created by ldconfig which should be called as a trigger after packages are installed
[06:54] <tohuw> sarnold: Interesting. I wonder why they wouldn't be? dpkg-reconfigure didn't help, but I don't know enough about packaging to say more
[06:56] <tohuw> I'll be building a fresh instance tomorrow for other purposes; I'll re-test then and report a bug if it doesn't create the symlinks at that point.
[06:57] <sarnold> tohuw: if this instance is then fair for testing, give a try to just running 'sudo ldconfig' or 'sudo ldconfig -n /usr/lib/postfix/' and see what changes...
[06:58] <sarnold> fair warning while i'm pretty sure that's a no-op at worst and fixes your problem at best, there's a chance my memory is wrong on this point..
[06:58] <tohuw> sarnold: too late D: instance was for temporary flight testing of something else and has been destroyed. I'll test on another tomorrow with your suggestion.
[06:58] <sarnold> tohuw: hooray no consequences if I was wrong :)
[06:58] <sarnold> (it's late. I should be in bed..)
[06:58] <tohuw> likewise. Thanks for the help!
[07:00] <cpaelzer> soahccc: go to bed, I'll quickly look at it
[07:00] <sarnold> cpaelzer: thanks! :)
[07:04] <cpaelzer> tohuw: I can already confirm that it doesn't get its symlink as other libs
[07:05] <cpaelzer> also it is about the first name in /usr/lib I've seen for ages that is not starting with lib
[07:05] <cpaelzer> maybe that falls through some wildcards now
[07:05] <cpaelzer> tohuw: can you directly point me to the reference where it is expecting it as /usr/lib/postfix/postfix-ldap.so
[07:06] <cpaelzer> I'd have expected /usr/lib/postfix/postfix-ldap.so.1
[07:07] <cpaelzer> Ah I see those .sos are integrated otherwise - /etc/postfix/dynamicmaps.cf directly holds the reference to postfix-ldap.so.1.0.1
[07:07] <cpaelzer> tohuw: even more, could you point me to where it expects it without the soname version?
[07:13] <cpaelzer> ok the diff in lib vs non lib files there is normal .so for libs and those starting with postfix... for postfix database plugins
[08:07] <zioproto> jamespage: are you around ?
[08:08] <zioproto> I refreshed the nova package
[08:08] <zioproto> https://code.launchpad.net/~zioproto/+git/nova/+ref/stable/newton
[08:18] <zioproto> I need to refresh the all thing
[08:42] <zioproto> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~zioproto/ubuntu/+source/nova/+git/nova/+merge/323018
[08:48] <jamespage> zioproto: please can you push your tags as well
[08:49] <zioproto> sure
[08:50] <zioproto> done
[08:50] <zioproto> jamespage: done
[08:51] <jamespage> zioproto: ok I merged your updated branches
[08:51] <zioproto> thank you
[08:51] <jamespage> zioproto: is there a bug ref for this already?
[08:51] <zioproto> I dont know
[08:54] <jamespage> I'll take that as a no then - normally the person preparing the upload for a new point release would also raise the bug paperwork
[09:03] <jamespage> zioproto: I'll cover that with any other newton minor point releases that are pending but unlikely to get to those until wednesday
[09:03] <jamespage> dealing with a few other sru's and pike-1/artful opening today
[09:03] <zioproto> jamespage: ok !
[09:04] <jamespage> and then need to switch to prepping for the london openstack meetup on tuesday evening
[11:27] <cpaelzer> any native spanish speaker that might be able to help understanding what is going on in bug 1685507 ?
[12:34] <cpaelzer> rbasak: nacc: could you look into bug 1683237 to sponsor a sync to aa?
[12:35] <cpaelzer> if you can't atm you might subscribe sponsors or ping me to update things to be catched later
[12:48] <rbasak> Looking
[12:53] <rbasak> Synced, and accepted the Zesty nomination. Thanks!
[15:09] <rbasak> cpaelzer: fyi, bug 1685136 is a dupe of bug 1580794. I've marked it and tagged it "triage" to make it easier to find next time.
[16:10] <roelof> hello,  I have this main.cf for postfix on Ubuntu Server 16.04. http://paste.ubuntu.com/24448737
[16:10] <roelof> but when I do telnet localhost 25 and then ehlo localhost I do not see the 250 - auth response
[16:11] <roelof> Can someone help me figure out where things get wrong ?
[16:11] <nacc> roelof: is postfix running (see `sudo netstat -pan | grep postfix` )
[16:13] <roelof> nacc I see then this output :  unix 2   [ ]  dgram  15448 101/rsyslogd /var/spool/postfix/dev/log
[16:14] <roelof> so I suppose its running
[16:14] <nacc> roelof: well, you'd see postfix itself listening, afaict
[16:14] <nacc> roelof: so it's not, afaict
[16:15] <nacc> roelof: after making the chagnes to main.cf did you run `sudo systemctl start postfix` ?
[16:16] <roelof> no,  I did sudo systemctl restart postfix
[16:16] <nacc> roelof: ok, that's fine
[16:16] <nacc> roelof: did it succeed?
[16:16] <roelof> and according to systemctl status postfix is running
[16:16] <nacc> roelof: ok
[16:16] <nacc> roelof: you can also do `sudo netstat -pan | grep 25` and see if anything is listening on port 25
[16:17] <roelof> I see all the headers when testing except the 250 - auth one
[16:17] <nacc> roelof: oh i see
[16:18] <roelof> nacc:  and according to a tutorial I schould see that one
[16:20] <roelof> according to these answers https://serverfault.com/questions/296298/why-doesnt-postfix-announce-auth-during-ehlo
[16:21] <roelof> it schould be smtpd_tls_auth_only = no
[16:21] <roelof> and that one I have already
[16:21] <roelof> see sentence 51
[16:33] <roelof> aha, I now see a error in the mail log :  sasl per-process initialization failed
[16:33] <roelof> someone a idea how to solve this one
[16:42] <roelof> soneone who can help me with this one
[16:47] <nacc> roelof: possibly this: https://www.howtoforge.com/community/threads/problem-with-posfix-smtp-auth-and-tls.19421/ ?
[16:47] <sarnold> roelof: are there logging options that you can turn up? maybe generic logging verbosity, maybe something specific to sasl?
[16:50] <roelof> I solved the sasl by disabeling a line in master.cf
[16:51] <roelof> but still the problem is that I still do not see the 250 - auth line
[16:56] <roelof> and now it worked : I enabled this line in master.cd : -o smptd-sasl-auth-enable = yes
[16:57] <roelof> now I see 250 - auth plain login  and 250 auth=plain login
[16:59] <roelof> I hope this is solved or is there a big difference between 250 - auth and 250 auth plain login ?
[17:29] <roelof> another problem :  I have this in my vmaps file<EMAIL_ADDRESS>   example1.com/info
[17:30] <roelof> but as soon as I try to send a email to that adress I see this is my log status : bounced (unknown user 'info')
[17:31] <roelof> what can now be going wrong ?
[17:33] <roelof> solved it, I used the wrong domainname
[17:45] <roelof> is this still a valid tutorial for spam and virus scanning and spf with postfix : https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/mail-filtering.html
[17:56] <cpaelzer> rbasak: thanks
[17:56] <cpaelzer> rbasak: for the dup and tag info
[18:07] <axisys> is it still true?
[18:07] <axisys> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2009/CVE-2009-2410.html
[18:07] <axisys> says does not apply to ubuntu
[18:07] <nacc> sarnold: --^ i believe you looked at that one?
[18:07] <sarnold> nacc: yeah, thanks
[18:08] <sarnold> axisys: indeed, that was fixed before sssd was imported into ubuntu
[18:08] <axisys> sarnold: thanks for the confirmation!
[18:24] <cpaelzer> rbasak: do we also already ahve an example for "alternative path /etc/mysql/my.cnf.fallback doesn't exist"
[18:31] <jathan>  Hello ubuntu-server channel. I am trying to execute an ansible playbook but I get the next error related to my Ubuntu machine and SSH:
[18:31] <jathan> http://paste.debian.net/929152/
[18:32] <nacc> jathan: can you ssh directly (not using ansible)?
[18:32] <jathan> Yes
[18:34] <nacc> jathan: to <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[18:40] <axisys> jathan: have you checked with #ansible ?
[18:41] <axisys> jathan: you might be using some proxycommand in your .ssh/config and not using the same with ansible
[18:43] <teward> what's the probability there's a memory lean in landscape-client?
[18:44] <teward> because I found that landscape-client ended up consuming almost 400MB of swap, and 40% of a 1GB server's RAM
[18:44] <teward> and that's... not good.
[18:44] <jathan> Yes, I have already asked in #ansbile channel, but they told me it is not a problem of Ansible. I am directing to that IP, because I am trying to do a SSH forward from a Google Cloud instance using its external IP address and from here to three instances using just their internal IP addresses in my ansible ssd_config file:
[18:45] <jathan> http://paste.debian.net/929123/
[18:49] <axisys> jathan: you want to make sure .ssh/config has a stanza for hdfs-master
[18:51] <jathan> Thanks axisys. Let me try that.
[18:55] <jathan> axisys: How can I set an entry for hdfs-master in my ssh config file if that it is a Google Cloud instance with only internal IP address access?
[18:58] <axisys> you can ssh to hdfs-master directly, correct?
[19:04] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I think there are a few bugs I've closed as Incomplete or Invalid for those.
[19:05] <rbasak> Generally it's because mysql-common is not from Ubuntu (eg. upstream MariaDB or something) or it's because the user has deleted /etc/mysql manually.
[19:54] <jathan> axisys: Not from my local computer. I need to enter first to another Google Cloud instance and from here go to hdfs-master.
[20:35] <axisys> you have a proxycommand setup, so ssh from local computer to hdfs-master does not work?
[23:14] <nacc> cpaelzer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/BugSquashingDay, and added to the serverteam header
[23:44] <nacc> cpaelzer: please help me flesh it out as you see fit


[09:26] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Darwin Day! :-D
[10:29] <lalejand_> Hi, I'm a paying user of U1, I have a problem with my U1 : lalejand@Alphonse:~$ u1sdtool -s State: AUTH_FAILED     connection: With User With Network     description: auth failed     is_connected: False     is_error: True     is_online: False     queues: WORKING
[10:29] <lalejand_> I am thinking about reinstalling U1 following instructions of this page : https://one.ubuntu.com/help/faq/how-do-i-completely-remove-and-reinstall-ubuntu-one/ Will it help ?


[22:41] <ActionParsnip> ericus: if you boot to the older kernel, is it ok?
[22:41] <BlueWolf>
[22:41] <BlueWolf> ActionParsnip: why is it copying so slow now. Before it was doing it at 10Mbps or more onto my flash. So what do you think can be the problem other than me?
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> BlueWolf: is the device healthy?
[22:41] <pfifo> droptone, run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-3.0.0-16-generic` that should trigger a rebuild of the initramfs, watch the output to make certian of this
[22:41] <ericus> ActionParsnip: I've not tried that
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> ericus: what have you tried?
[22:42] <culpn8r> like i literally download an image off the internet and save it to the desktop, but it never pops up with an icon. i can see it there if i browse via terminal but not gnome
[22:42] <droptone> pfifo: trying that now.
[22:42] <gvo> Ken or perhaps sudo apt-key update
[22:42] <ken> gvo: I'm using kubuntu
[22:42] <gvo>  sudo apt-get update  might work better for Ubuntu
[22:42] <BlueWolf> ActionParsnip: Ya normal as it's always been.
[22:42] <ericus> Not anything at all ActionParsnip
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> BlueWolf: what file system does it use?
[22:42] <humancomp> Bluewolf: Its can be related with your Windows Compatibility on USB drive
[22:43] <BlueWolf> ActionParsnip: what do you mean by file system?
[22:43] <ken> pvo: the issue is more that I am seeing unsigned packages including the linux generic update and not sure why
[22:43] <gvo> ken so that didn't work?
[22:43] <BlueWolf>
[22:43] <BlueWolf> humancomp: Which means?
[22:43] <droptone> I got crypsetup: WARNING: target sda5_crypt uses a key file, skipped, a few times at various places during the reconfigure. Other than that, it looked good.
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> BlueWolf: what file system does the USB storage use? NTFS? Ext2? etc
[22:44] <droptone> and it said it ran update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-16-generic
[22:44] <droptone> so that appeared successful. Should I reboot and give it a whirl?
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> ericus: try the older kernel, if its ok there then you have a regression bug
[22:44] <culpn8r> anyone?
[22:44] <pfifo> droptone, yeah, reboot and see if it worked
[22:44] <BlueWolf> ActionParsnip: I formated it to use NTFS. Then I have just formated it again to use FAT.
[22:44] <gvo> ken search the net for that error message if you that doesn't work.  I'm going to dinner.
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> BlueWolf: is it faster with FAT?
[22:45] <humancomp> can you send me your lsusb output for this device
[22:45] <ericus> ActionParsnip: OK, I will try that tomorrow. Thank you, and good night
[22:45] <Guido1> I have some problems with a windows computer but i found a way to path this problem by another computer. sadly i don't find a way to pas this problem with LINUX. does anyone know something about setting a domain and adding a network printer - not automaticaly found by UBUNTU 10.04?
[22:45] <BlueWolf> ActionParsnip: No, come to think of it, it might be because its FAT and not NTFS?
[22:47] <droptone> pfifo: Didn't work, it dropped to an initramfs shell again.
[22:47] <dustinconlon> hello?
[22:47] <dustinconlon> hello? anyone there?
[22:48] <thepolyol> hi
[22:48] <lodiablo> hello
[22:48] <BlueWolf> ActionParsnip: Should I format it back to NTFS?
[22:48] <droptone> It says, right before the shell: "Gave up waiting for root device. Common problems: Boot args (cat /proc/cmdline), Check rootdelay=(did the system wait long enough?), and chck root= (did the system wait for the right device?) and Missing modules (cat /proc/modues; ls /dev)
[22:48] <dustinconlon> hi
[22:48] <pfifo> droptone, it appears you have it setup to use a keyfile and a passphrase, if you remove the keyfile, regenerate the initramfs, and then set the keyfile back up it may work
[22:48] <dustinconlon> could anyone help me?
[22:48] <BlueWolf> dustinconlon: Ask your question and if someone knows they will answer
[22:49] <BlueWolf> dustinconlon: Be patient :D
[22:49] <culpn8r> when i download files onto the desktop i cannot see them
[22:49] <droptone> I do, hmm. Well I just used the LUKS installer on the Ubuntu 11.10 alternate installer disk. How would I go about removing the keyfile?
[22:50] <pfifo> droptone, thge manual says luksRemoveKey <device> [<key file>]
[22:50] <droptone> is this process dangerous?
[22:51] <Rickardo1> Can I install ubuntu-11.10-server-amd64.iso.torrent on an computer with intel i3 cpu ?
[22:51] <pfifo> droptone, you need to know the correct slot to kill
[22:51] <droptone> and I haven't the slightest where the keyfile is located, when I configured it during the ubuntu alternate installer process, all it asked me for was password.
[22:51] <dustinconlon> I have an iMac 27", 2009 model, and I put an iso onto a cd, I have rEFIT installed, and when I try to boot off of the cd, I get a console type cursor, and then a purple screen with a picture of a keyboard and person at the bottom, then it goes back to the console cursor, and then a pure black screen
[22:51] <pfifo> droptone, when you enter the passphrase it will say 'key slot #X unlocked' DO NOT remove that slot
[22:51] <droptone> ok
[22:53] <pfifo> droptone, otherwise, i think the syntax is `cryptsetup luksRemoveKey /dev/sda5 X` where X is the slot you want to kill
[22:54] <culpn8r> can someone please help me haha
[22:55] <pfifo> droptone, use `cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sda5` to get a list of keyslots in use
[22:55] <Guido1> Hello, I have some problems with a windows computer but i found a way to path this problem by another computer. sadly i don't find a way to pas this problem with LINUX. does anyone know something about setting a domain and adding a network printer - not automaticaly found by UBUNTU 10.04? i found that i have to enter a pasword by setting up a domain, but if i set it up with windows i'm not asked for a pasword.
[22:55] <dustinconlon> 	dustinconlon	I have an iMac 27", 2009 model, and I put an iso onto a cd, I have rEFIT installed, and when I try to boot off of the cd, I get a console type cursor, and then a purple screen with a picture of a keyboard and person at the bottom, then it goes back to the console cursor, and then a pure black screen
[22:55] <lodiablo> Rickardo1, Yes you can, it just a naming convention
[22:56] <lodiablo> it will work on all x64 cpu's
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> dustinconlon: wht gpu does the system have?
[22:57] <qtbchin> I know this is an ubuntu channel, but i am certain that someone here will be able to give me some insight on my irrelevant issue. My IIS ftp site loads as a blank page not displaying any of the files... any idea how to fix this?
[22:57] <dustinconlon> could you put that in english for me :)
[22:57] <droptone> I'm having trouble determining which key to remove. I guess, if nothing else, I could just continue launching that cryptsetup command from the initramfs shell, no?
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> dustinconlon: the video card?
[22:57] <droptone> would that break anything? It's a bit convoluted, but hell, I really don't want to fry my HD right now.
[22:57] <dustinconlon> ATI Radeon... um let me check
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> Guido1: in the cog menu in the top right, you can add printers there
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> dustinconlon: good enough
[22:57] <droptone> and generating the initramfs boot image is obviously broken.
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> dustinconlon: add the boot option: nomodeset    it may help
[22:58] <dustinconlon> how do i do that?
[22:58] <dustinconlon> where at least
[22:58] <Zaitzev> hrmf, gnome-look.org is in trouble..and here I was hoping to figure out how to do the whole theme-thing..
[22:58] <dustinconlon> I dont know how to change the boot parameters for it
[22:59] <meerkats> im looking for a wine irc...
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> !nomodeset | dustinconlon
[22:59] <pfifo> droptone, ok I just tested it on mine, you want to `cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sda5` to find what slots are in use, and then `cryptsetup luksKillSlot /dev/sda5 X` the slots that are not your main passphrase
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> meerkats: #winehq
[23:00] <Guido1> ActionParsnip: do you mean the place with find network printer, samba etc?
[23:00] <pfifo> droptone, you should know which key slot you passphrase unlocked, it will say
[23:00] <dustinconlon> when I get the keyboard and person screen and I try to press a button, nothing happens at all
[23:01] <Guido1> ActionParsnip: i already tryed that. perhaps i'm doing something wrong
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> Guido1: select to add a printer, then select the windows printer option
[23:02] <syddraf> Does anyone know of a utility that will make a directory structure appear flattened? Ex: I have a directory tree under /opt/stuff, when i view it through this utility or file system, it will show the files as if they are in one directory. I know it's an odd request, but I have a particular use for it.
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> dustinconlon: press SPACE afaik, or try F6
[23:03] <dustinconlon> okay, if that doesn't work, could it be a problem with my keyboard?
[23:03] <dustinconlon> its a normal wired keyboard
[23:03] <pfifo> droptone, i will brb, once you get down to just the single key, rebuild the initramfs like before, see if it still gives that warnning
[23:03] <Guido1> ActionParsnip: you mean printer --> ad printer --> network --> windows ... Samba?
[23:04] <recorder446> @syddraf: on shell or GUI?
[23:04] <syddraf> recorder446: Preferably shell.
[23:05] <droptone> pfifo: will do
[23:05] <Guido1> ActionParsnip: that is one of the things i already tryed
[23:05] <recorder446> @syddraf: use "ls -laR"
[23:07] <ironm> hello. anyone around using live-builder 3.x on ubuntu? Where can I find newer live-build packages for ubuntu 11.10 than 3.0~a24-1ubuntu17 ? ... Thank you in advance for any hints ;)
[23:07] <dustinconlon> ActionParsnip, it still should work, even if its not the default mac keyboard?
[23:07] <syddraf> recorder446: I'm looking more for something that would operate like a file system. ie: "mount" /opt/stuff to /opt/flat and when I browse to /opt/flat it shows the files as if in one directory. At this point in just considering trying to write a fuse fs for it.
[23:08] <jrib> syddraf: umm, find?   The "normal" ubuntu 11.10 installer detects my wifi card just fine, whereas the alternative installer does not seem to let me connect via wifi/wired. Any ideas? Are the same driver sets used for both vanilla/alternative installer ISOs?
[23:09] <pfifo> droptone, well, in that case the initramfs isnt operating properly
[23:09] <droptone> ok
[23:10] <terminal> alguien habla español y  conoce algo sobre  weechat?gracias  :)
[23:10] <waxstone> !en | terminal
[23:10] <pfifo> droptone, are you still in the initramfs or did you boot up?
[23:10] <droptone> so any other suggestions? Just manually launch cryptsetup from the initramfs shell?
[23:10] <waxstone> !es
[23:10] <droptone> pfifo: I'm booted up. Should I only do this from the initramfs shell?
[23:10] <terminal> thank´s ;)
[23:11] <syddraf> I have several programs I use that rely on things to be in the same directory. I have these files organized in subdirectories for other reasons, so some utility to trick a program (through a fs, for example) to think they are in a single directory would be useful. It's so off-the-wall that I really don't expect anything to already be out there, but I figured that I'd ask anyway. Thanks for your help.
[23:11] <jrib> syddraf: what programs?
[23:11] <droptone> pfifo: By "do this", I'm referring to the luksDump command. And thank you again for your assistance.
[23:12] <pfifo> droptone, no you need to be booted to the target kernel, try this command `update-initramfs -c -k all`
[23:13] <recorder446> @syddraf: a simple "ln -s " don't do the job? (or do you look for some auto mechanism?)
[23:13] <droptone> ok, trying now.
[23:13] <bluekb> c
[23:14] <DinoMuffin> does anyone know a better way to find if an instance of a program is running?
[23:15] <DinoMuffin> right now I'm doing "ps aux | grep "Thunar" | wc -l" to see if a Thunar instances is running
[23:15] <SunTsu> DinoMuffin: pgrep
[23:15] <recorder446> @syddraf: I guess I've just
[23:15] <droptone> ok, seems to work good, only the same "cryptsetup: WARNING: target sda5_crypt uses a key file, skipped", oh and then I get a ton of errors FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/3.0.0-16/modules.dep: No such file or directory"
[23:15] <DinoMuffin> SunTsu: thanks, works great
[23:16] <droptone> so that's not good.
[23:16] <AmberJ> Hello, I'm recording a screencast for my friend and will like to bring attention of my friend to a particular part of screen in recorded video on desktop...
[23:16] <syddraf> recorder446: Symlink isn't quite what I need, since it wouldn't make the directory structure appear flattened.
[23:16] <itaylor57> ironm, look at this ppa https://launchpad.net/~jason-heeris/+archive/live-build
[23:16] <AmberJ> I'll like to hilight a small circle on screen with yellow/orange torch light style hilighter
[23:16] <RingZer0> is this the right place for an rsync question?
[23:16] <droptone> but I think the kernel should be 3.0.0-16-generic, not just 3.0.0-16, I think that's a mistake on my part from earlier when the guys in #lvm were having me manually generate initramfs segments, and I left off the generic.
[23:17] <pfifo> droptone, no, its not. your definatly not using a keyfile, this has to be a bug
[23:17] <droptone> ok
[23:17] <AmberJ> The hilighter circle should follow my mouse pointer...
[23:17] <DinoMuffin> RingZer0: what's the problem?
[23:17] <ironm> thank you very much itaylor57 :)
[23:17] <pfifo> droptone, and yes it should have the -generic
[23:17] <Pickleface> hi
[23:17] <itaylor57> ironm, np
[23:17] <Pickleface> so I can only login to the guest account the main one like does not load properly ?
[23:17] <RingZer0> DinoMuffin: I am just preparing to sync over a "final sync" before changing my name servers.  I want to make sure I am not going to overwrite all my modified config files like wp-config.php
[23:18] <pfifo> droptone, no you need to be booted to the target kernel, try this command `update-initramfs -c -k 3.0.0-16-generic`
[23:18] <droptone> ok
[23:18] <pfifo> erm, disregart the first part of that, i copy pasted too much
[23:18] <RingZer0> DinoMuffin: so if A is old server and B is new server.  I was thinking rsync -avz /sites/mysite/* <IP_ADDRESS>:/var/www/vhost/mysite/
[23:19] <droptone> I am booted to the target kernel, I'll give it a shot.
[23:19] <RingZer0> just want to make sure I am not overwriting all my changes
[23:19] <RingZer0> should I touch the files on the new server (aka B, aka <IP_ADDRESS>?)
[23:19] <DinoMuffin> RingZer0: ah, I'm not the one to ask. my knowledge of rsync is pretty basic
[23:19] <pfifo> droptone, did the guys in lvm have you mess with /etc/crypttab at all?
[23:19] <RingZer0> me too :)
[23:20] <AmberJ> Anyone?
[23:20] <droptone> pfifo: No, they didn't. We didn't get very far before they decided it was an ubuntu issue and sent me here. And as far as that update-initramfs command you just told me to run, I got no output at all except for "cryptset: WARNING: target sda5_crypt uses a key file, skipped"
[23:20] <AmberJ> How can I hilight parts of my screen while recording screencast of my desktop?
[23:20] <droptone> I never touched my /etc/crypttab file except to cut and paste the contents of it to pastebin for you.
[23:21] <droptone> or copy/paste I should say.
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> AmberJ: compiz has a plugin for that
[23:22] <AmberJ> ActionParsnip: What if I don't want to install/use compiz for this? Isn't there a standalone tool?
[23:22] <pfifo> droptone, I dont see how it thinks your using a keyfile, im going to look on launchpad for a bug report of this
[23:24] <amazingrando> can you do a non-graphical install from the live cd?
[23:25] <droptone> pfifo: thank you, again, greatly apprecaited
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> amazingrando: you could install the OS then add the boot option:  text     and you will boot to CLI only
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> amazingrando: the other apps will be installed, just not used
[23:25] <amazingrando> ok, thanks
[23:26] <A-Lusion> What does the heirachy of computer 1337's look like right now?
[23:26] <recorder446> @ amazingrando: no, you can't, but there's an so called "Alternate CD" for download
[23:27] <dustinconlon> hello
[23:27] <dustinconlon> who helped me last time?
[23:27] <recorder446> dustincolon: I'm not  :-)
[23:27] <dustinconlon> it was... um
[23:28] <recorder446> dustincolon: what's the problem?
[23:28] <dustinconlon> hi recorder446
[23:28] <dustinconlon> im having a problem booting off of my LiveCD
[23:29] <recorder446> @dustincolon: What kinda problem?
[23:29] <pfifo> droptone, ahh, i think i got it change your crypttab to this 'sda5_crypt UUID=54c89adf-d784-4014-868c-f713f0e7a954 none luks'
[23:29] <dustinconlon> Everytime  I try to boot it up, I get a console cursor, then it goes to the Purple screen that says to press any button to pull up boot options, but then it goes back to the console cursor, then to a black screen, then just sits there FOREVER!
[23:30] <kingofswords> please someone tell me how to uninstall flash then reinstall it
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> AmberJ: all I get is compiz how-tos. Maybe its a feature in a screen recording app
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: if you can pastebin the output of:  lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash\gnash|swf|spark'      I can advise
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: change the \ for a |
[23:31] <kingofswords> ActionParsnip, ok thx
[23:32] <dustinconlon> recorder446?
[23:32] <setherith> exit
[23:33] <kingofswords> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/cjmPydpE
[23:33] <recorder446> @dustincolon: What version of Live-CD do you use? / Have you checked the CD - Image (md5) and what hardware do you use?
[23:33] <|PiP|`> how can I boot into ubuntu recovery console? when my computer starts, i dont see the grub options
[23:34] <StepNjump> Hi guys, can someone hack me on windows live? Is it safe?
[23:34] <recorder446> @pip: what do you see on boot?
[23:34] <|PiP|`> nothing, just a purple screen
[23:35] <|PiP|`> ubuntu 11.10
[23:35] <|PiP|`> i accidentally removed my user accoutn from sudoers
[23:35] <escott> |PiP|`, you have to hit some key when grub loads, maybe F1 not sure which
[23:35] <pfifo> StepNjump, this is ubuntu support only, you should ask in ##windows
[23:35] <dustinconlon> sorry recorder446, Im using an iMac 27" 2009 Edition, and I've double checked the MD5
[23:35] <pfifo> |PiP|`, you need to hold shift while your booting
[23:36] <niklasfi> hey, i want to cut a video file using ffmpeg. The internet is full of tutorials like this http://ubuntuhowtos.com/howtos/cut_part_of_avi_video (using the -ss and -t options) however, when i try to copy a sequence of a video to a new one (trimming the rest off) using ffmpeg -ss 00:00:15.00 -t 25 -acodec copy -vcodec -i in.avi out.avi, this gives me weird output. first of all vlc shows both files (input and output) to have the same play duration
[23:36] <StepNjump> Well, I have it here on my kopete... its supported on linux pfifo
[23:36] <|PiP|`> pfifo: i tried that didn't work ;(
[23:37] <pfifo> |PiP|`, it might be control
[23:37] <waxstone> it is shift for grub2
[23:37] <pfifo> |PiP|`, try ctrl, shift, then ctrl and shift
[23:37] <recorder446> pip: do you have a second Operating system running beside your Ubuntu? (a Windows)
[23:37] <kingofswords> sry ActionParsnip http://pastebin.com/YSv0K90Z
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: let me see
[23:38] <escott> |PiP|`, its supposed to be shift or esc
[23:38] <kingofswords> ;)
[23:38] <escott> |PiP|`, if thats not working you could do it from a chroot on the livecd
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: you missed the last single quote
[23:38] <kz3> hello everyone
[23:39] <kingofswords> did i
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf|spark'
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: run that
[23:39] <droptone> pfifo: so that allow-discards option is breaking it?
[23:39] <droptone> sorry, ahd to make my kids dinner
[23:39] <pfifo> droptone, that is the field where your filename is supposed to go
[23:40] <droptone> you're kidding. I was trying to allow for TRIM passthrough support.
[23:40] <kingofswords> ActionParsnip, oh yeh sry http://pastebin.com/011WcDNs
[23:41] <pfifo> droptone, im not 100% sure but i think you would want the tail to be 'none option1,option2,luks` or similiar
[23:41] <droptone> holy crap, it worked.
[23:41] <droptone> I didn't get the "uses filename, skipped" errors.
[23:41] <droptone> when running update-initramfs -c -k 3.0.0-16-generic
[23:41] <|PiP|`> recorder446: no windows, just ubuntu
[23:41] <droptone> should I try a reboot now?
[23:41] <pfifo> droptone, good, reboot and see if it sets it up
[23:42] <droptone> ok
[23:42] <|PiP|`> btw how do i enable root user?
[23:42] <jpaulo7> How to recover a deleted file?
[23:42] <escott> !undelete | jpaulo7
[23:42] <pfifo> jpaulo7, restore from backup
[23:42] <escott> !root | |PiP|`
[23:42] <jpaulo7> thank's
[23:43] <droptone> I'll be damned, that did it.
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: awesome
[23:43] <droptone> thank you so much pfifo, you've been amazingly helpful.
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-installer
[23:43] <pfifo> droptone, you should tell the lvm guys how obivous that was
[23:43] <recorder446> pip:  What did you do before this happend?
[23:43] <droptone> lmao, will do.
[23:43] <kingofswords> ok
[23:44] <dustinconlon> could anyone give me a hand?
[23:44] <TheToff> Hey, is anyone here familiar with the 12.04 beta yet?
[23:44] <droptone> pfifo: while we're here, the option for TRIM passthrough: do you know much about it with LUKS? I don't want to put you through another huge process.
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: I believe if you add the partner repo then you can instal the adobe-flashplugin package and get 64bit flash for your 64bit OS
[23:44] <droptone> But I would greatly like to allow for TRIM passthrough, which is supposedly supported on cryptsetup 1.4 or whatever, as well as the linux kernel 3.1, which we're not at yet.
[23:44] <recorder446> @theToff: I'm runnig it right now...
[23:44] <amit0520> Hello
[23:44] <droptone> but if you don't have the answeres right here, don't worry about it, I'm fine.
[23:44] <kingofswords> ActionParsnip,  so i just install flash from synapytic?
[23:44] <amit0520> I just plugged in a usb flash drive and I am unable to delete files/directry from it
[23:45] <pfifo> droptone, no I dont, but guessing from the way crypttab was broken, I doubt you were using it before
[23:45] <amit0520> please help
[23:45] <droptone> I wasn't, no.
[23:45] <escott> !ask | dustinconlon
[23:45] <droptone> anyway, I"m good. Thank you again, fantastic work.
[23:45] <kingofswords> ActionParsnip,  whats partner repo?
[23:45] <TheToff> @recorder446: When you installed, did you have a windows install on your computer as well? I noticed that the installer's partitioning bit showed my NTFS partition as being completely empty
[23:45] <pfifo> droptone, i guess read the crypttab and cryptsetup manuals to see how to adjust options properly
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: after enabling the partner repo it should be available
[23:46] <fabzor3> ActionParsnip, you probably get this a lot, but you have the greatest name ever
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: its enablable in the software centre / synaptic etc
[23:46] <kingofswords> ok
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> fabzor3: a bit hehe. Its an old harry hill joke
[23:46] <dustinconlon> I am having a problem booting up my Ubuntu 11.10
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> fabzor3: thanks btw
[23:46] <escott> !paste | amit0520 send us the output of "mount"
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> escott: mount | pastebinit      could be used :)
[23:47] <kingofswords> ActionParsnip,  can see it
[23:47] <recorder446> @theoff: yes, I have a windows-OS  and 2 more NTFS data partitions on the same HD.
[23:47] <TheToff> @recorder446: I also noticed that when I ran it from usb, using the Pendrive program, when I set up the file for persistent changes in pendrive, it doesn't actually allow persistent changes to be made. Case in point, I need to blacklist the acer-wmi for the wifi to work on my Lenovo B570.
[23:47] <kingofswords> ActionParsnip, other sources tab?
[23:48] <escott> ActionParsnip, but then pastebinit would have to be installed. someone should probably make that a required package before any irc client can be installed
[23:48] <escott> !details | dustinconlon
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: sure
[23:48] <TheToff> I su'd a terminal window, and used nano to edit the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf to reflect my need to blacklist the acer-wmi, and saved the change, etc, but get nothing when I reboot
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> escott: dang
[23:48] <amit0520> ubottu i just pasted output on paste.ubuntu.com
[23:48] <kingofswords> ActionParsnip,  do i just install Adobe Flash Player plugin installer?
[23:49] <dustinconlon> I have an iMac 27" 2009 and I'm getting a completely black screen after the purple screen that tells me to press any button. When I press any button, nothing at all happens... when I press F6 or ESC to change the GRUB boot options, nothing happens either... I dont have any idea if there is a file I can change without booting it up at all, I have an ATI Radeon Video card
[23:49] <escott> amit0520, send us the link that it gave you
[23:49] <recorder446> @TheOff:  I tried the 2nd alpha from USB and it didn't work at all... Instsaller is still very buggy in Beta1 (partitioner).
[23:49] <kingofswords> ActionParsnip, yeh sure
[23:49] <amit0520> escott here is the link http://paste.ubuntu.com/878223/
[23:49] <escott> !nomodeset | dustinconlon
[23:49] <TheToff> @Recorder446: Has a bug report been initiated, do you know?
[23:50] <dustinconlon> I know that parameter escott, but I cannot get to any screen that allows me to enter it or change it
[23:50] <escott> dustinconlon, boot a livecd and make the changes in a chroot
[23:50] <dustinconlon> how to I access a "chroot"
[23:50] <escott> amit0520,  /media/TSNDV30 is the problem correct? what does "touch  /media/TSNDV30/test" output
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> dustinconlon: I gave you a link....
[23:50] <amit0520> yes escott
[23:50] <kingofswords> ActionParsnip,  oh no i see partner repo i think
[23:51] <amit0520> TSNDV30 is my usb flash drive thats causing problem
[23:51] <TheToff> And does anyone here know for certain how to EFFECTIVELY change the text of the blacklist.conf file on a LIVE USB, so that the changes will persist across reboot?
[23:51] <recorder446> @TheToff: Yes, Installer related bugs ahve been initiated. (It's usually done by Ubuntu itself; it tells you...)
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: of you can uncomment the line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:51] <escott> TheToff, is it a persistent livecd?
[23:51] <itaylor57> escott, it is a 12.10 live cd
[23:51] <ikonia> I doubt that
[23:51] <ikonia> 12.10 doesn't exist
[23:52] <TheToff> escott, it is a live usb set up with Pendrive to allow for persistent changes
[23:52] <itaylor57> escott, it is a 12.04 sorry
[23:52] <dustinconlon> okay thanks guys Ill give it a try
[23:52] <TheToff> And it is 12.04 beta
[23:52] <amit0520> escott here is the error I get when I do Touch >> touch: cannot touch `/media/TSNDV30/test': Read-only file system
[23:52] <kingofswords> ActionParsnip, archive canical....partner....that one?
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> kingofswords: indeed
[23:52] <kingofswords> :)
[23:53] <codepoet> how to reinstall X
[23:53] <codepoet> anyone?
[23:53] <recorder446> @The Toff: For me it finally worked to install on harddrive by formatting  a partition as "ext4" from Live-CD and then using the installer again;  but this time from CD
[23:53] <codepoet> im using 11.04
[23:53] <kingofswords> whats gtk?
[23:54] <TheToff> recorder446: thank you
[23:54] <ironm> itaylor57, do I need some special live-builder options when running lb 3.0-a45 on oneiric? (11.10) .. I am getting an error like E: Unable to locate package console-common
[23:54] <ironm> even if: root@oneiric:/tmp/live# apt-cache search console-common
[23:54] <ironm> console-common - basic infrastructure for text console configuration
[23:54] <TheToff> I just can't figure out why pendrive doesn't properly set up the persistent changes bit so that I can change the bloody blacklist.conf file
[23:55] <TheToff> One bloody entry is all i need it to keep
[23:55] <codepoet> how to reinstall X?
[23:55] <codepoet> for me its not starting on boot
[23:55] <pfifo> codepoet, why?
[23:55] <kingofswords> ActionParsnip, do i dl gtk ver?
[23:55] <codepoet> pfifo, not starting on boot
[23:56] <codepoet> im able to log into the tty ...
[23:56] <pfifo> codepoet, can you pastebin /etc/grub/grub.cfg
[23:56] <codepoet> i think my nvidia driver update screwed things up
[23:56] <codepoet> yes jst a sec
[23:57] <TheToff> There was a time when I worshiped the god of OS's that is Ubuntu..... but since the 11.04 release, not so much, just because wi-fi refuses to work until I install and blacklist that damnable acer-wmi
[23:57] <Brewster> hi
[23:57] <itaylor57> ironm, did you do sudo apt-get update?
[23:57] <Brewster> I was wondering if you could use wubi to insall chorme os
[23:57] <ironm> yes itaylor57
[23:57] <pfifo> Brewster, no
[23:58] <codepoet> @fifo, no such file or directory
[23:58] <Brewster> ok thank you
[23:58] <amit0520> escott here is the error I get when I do Touch >> touch: cannot touch `/media/TSNDV30/test': Read-only file system
[23:58] <codepoet> @pfifo, no such file or directory
[23:58] <ironm> otherwise I will be not able to upgrade to3.0-a45
[23:58] <TheToff> Is there a programme better than Pendrive which works to create a live usb that actually has persistent changes?
[23:58] <pfifo> codepoet, /boot/grub/grub.cfg then
[23:58] <starsunflower> Greetings all! I'm having an xconf issue. I am not sure what changed my settings, maybe because I used the computer janitor?
[23:58] <itaylor57> ironm, then i don't know
[23:58] <escott> amit0520, there are two possibilities. (1) for some reason this has been mounted as gid 1000 but one would expect it to be gid 0. did you add yourself to the group root? (2) some usb sticks are not normal usb sticks and have hardware/firmware that prevents modification. if this is a promotional usb that could be the problem
[23:59] <ironm> itaylor57, I used only lb config; lb buld ... (have corrected packages_lists in auto/config before)
[23:59] <starsunflower> my display is 1280x1024 and its no longer visible in the monitors config
[23:59] <recorder446> @TheToff: I think there is an USB-Creator on board on Live CD! Maybe it works from there to allocate persistant space (for changes). But as already said.. Installing from there(USB) didn't work for me.
[23:59] <ironm> thank you itaylor57 :) .. have you created live images on oneiric already ? .. with lb 3.0-a45 ?
[23:59] <codepoet> @pfifo, http://pastebin.com/SvED0w5T
[23:59] <Brewster> Is there something wubi-like that you could use to install chrome os?
[23:59] <itaylor57> ironm, no i havent


[08:12] <Chipaca> moin moin
[08:16] <jam> morning Chipaca, how's it going?
[08:16] <Chipaca> jam: better today i think, thank you. You?
[08:43] <jam> Things are going well here.
[09:43]  * Chipaca takes a break
[10:15]  * Chipaca sets things on fire to see if they break
[10:57] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[10:59] <Chipaca> facubatista: 👋 !
[11:00] <facubatista> oh, I thought we had a meeting right now
[11:03] <Chipaca> facubatista: we did, but it was canceled because the main party was off partying, mainly
[11:03] <facubatista> oh
[12:06] <mup> Issue operator#357 closed: Add support for startupProbe checks <Created by jayk-canonical> <Closed by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/357>
[12:10] <mup> PR operator#359 opened: ops/testing.py: Harness.add_resource <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/359>
[15:00]  * facubatista -> lunch
[16:36] <facubatista> jam, Chipaca: a very simple branch in preparation for the real one (so it's not that big) https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/82
[16:36] <mup> PR charmcraft#82: Work in preparation for the list-revisions branch <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/82>
[16:36] <facubatista> thanks!
[19:33] <facubatista> jam, Chipaca, Renamed 'list' command to 'names' in sync with latest UX decisions https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/84
[19:33] <mup> PR charmcraft#84: Renamed 'list' command to 'names' in sync with latest UX decisions <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/84>
[19:43] <Chipaca> i think this is what EOD feels like


 i just found all my edubuntu-devel email!
[12:07] <Kaiser_Sleeps> it was in ubuntu-devel :/
[12:07] <ogra> improve your filters :)
[12:07] <Kaiser_Sleeps> ogra: i just did :)
[12:08] <Kaiser_Sleeps> bblish
[06:50] <sniff> hey peeps!
[06:50] <sniff> I just setup an edubuntu server!
[06:51] <sniff> amazing
[07:03] <jsgotangco> nice ;)
[07:04] <sniff> there is a problem, a client can start to load up from the server but then stops :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
[07:07] <sniff> it says "Begin: running /scripts/nfs-premount.....
[07:07] <sniff> [05:54]  <sniff> then it says "done"
[07:07] <sniff>  the system stops there
[07:10] <sniff> jsgotangco can u suggest anything i might do?
[07:15] <highvoltage> sniff: is this the first client you booted from the server?
[07:15] <highvoltage> sniff: you might just need to restart
[07:15] <highvoltage> (the client)
[07:20] <sniff> ok
[07:20] <sniff> i will try
[07:20] <sniff> it is the first time i booted from the server
[09:09] <sniff> hey
[09:10] <sniff> i got the edubuntu ltsp server running and it looks fab. But when the clients load up their fonts and icons are different, doesn't really look any good, does anyone know why this may be?
[09:29] <sniff> hello peeps? can anyone help please?
[09:42] <ogra> sniff, i assume you use the same user on all clients ... gnome-settings-daemon has a bug that prevents it from working if you are logged in multiple times with the same user ...
[09:42] <ogra> use different users
[09:43] <jsgotangco> ogra, hmmm still some issues with lsb
[09:44] <ogra> jsgotangco, the buildds are broken since 2 days ...
[09:44] <ogra> not much i can do
[09:44] <jsgotangco> :/
[09:44] <ogra> the amd64 lsb breakage is something different btw ...
[09:44] <jsgotangco> i'll just do the live first
[09:44] <ogra> its caused by oversizing ...
[09:45] <ogra> live didnt change either due to no buildds running ...
[10:17] <jsgotangco> ogra, edubuntu live seems fine though...
[10:17] <ogra> yes, it wont have changed since last time yoou tried ... :)
[10:18] <jsgotangco> the only difference is that im testing it in a pentium d system now
[10:20] <ogra> oh, ah :)
[10:25] <spacey> ogra: btw, willow works fine in production :)
[10:25] <ogra> yay
[10:25] <spacey> never crasht at least
[10:25] <spacey> :)
[10:26] <ogra> there is still the issue with python-profiler ... i'd really love to know if thats really needed ...
[10:26] <ogra> it would keep it in multiverse :(
[10:26] <spacey> the multiverse thingy
[10:26] <spacey> ye
[10:27] <signifer123> morn...
[10:27] <ogra> but i'm to busy with ltsp and CD builds and that wont change before feature freeze
[10:27] <spacey> if i could do python i would help :p
[10:27] <spacey> but i never touched it
[10:28] <ogra> i'll look at it, but there is not much chance to get it into dapper after feature freeze
[10:29] <jsgotangco> hmm how does Gnome chemistry utils fare?
[10:29] <ogra> there is a lot going on in MOTUSience wrt gnome chemistry utils ...
[10:35] <spacey> maybe someone else here has python skill?
[10:45] <simondawes> need advice pleas. downloaded Edubuntu i386 ISO image twice now. burnt to CD using ISO settings .Tied to install but takes for ever seems to just lock up half way through. i know its not a harware problem as similar downloaded Ubuntu and burn installs fine
[10:46] <jsgotangco> breezy?
[10:49] <TOZTWO> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes says under Known Issues.....
[10:49] <TOZTWO> "During install while the LTSP client environment is being set up, the progress reporting is a bit poor (expect this step to take about 10 min)."
[10:49] <ogra> yeah...
[10:50] <ogra> you can switch to tty3 (alt-f3) to see more progress
[10:51] <simondawes> I'll try this thanks
[11:42] <SiennaLizard> Hello everyone. Has anyone done an Edubuntu LTSP install here? Maybe for a school?
[11:42] <SiennaLizard> Or are we all holding out for Dapper?
[11:54] <ogra> SiennaLizard, there are several schools using edubuntu
[11:55] <ogra> dapper will have a lot of improvements in ltsp though ... 90% of development in edubuntu happened in tlsp this relase cycle
[11:55] <ogra> *ltsp
[12:13] <SiennaLizard> Cheers, Ogra. That's very good news. It's just things like audio that I don't fully understand with ltsp. I'd rather like to get a load of thin clients for this school I'm working for, but it would be the anciliary things like the local device stuff (sound, USB) that kept me from doing a full roll-out.
[12:14] <ogra> local devices were deferred for next release ... sound is in ...
[12:14] <SiennaLizard> are there any thin clients you'd particularly recommend to work with ltsp? What have you used for testing?
[12:14] <SiennaLizard> i've been practicing with boot floppies and old laptops at the moment...
[12:15] <ogra> the via C3 based ones i tested here are very slow ...
[12:15] <ogra> booting my amd64 laptop as thin client takes only 15sec though ...
[12:16] <ogra> i'd recommend something PIII based with at least 64MB better 128MB
[12:17] <ogra> PII should also be fine ...
[12:17] <ogra> but the fully integrated CPU/sound/graphics based clients really suck ...
[12:17] <signifer123> p2 are like 300 mhz :-P
[12:18] <ogra> thats fine
[12:18] <signifer123> thin client?
[12:18] <ogra> yup
[12:18] <signifer123> i thoguht it was full client :-p
[12:18] <SiennaLizard> fat client?
[12:18] <ogra> i mean 500Mhz is still better, but 300 will suffice ...
[12:18] <ogra> i havent done anyy testing with fat clients ...
[12:18] <SiennaLizard> right. cheers, Ogra.
[12:19] <signifer123> standalone pc not fat or thin or dumb :-p
[12:19] <ogra> but 126MB upwards should do ...
[12:19] <ogra> and ~5-600Mhz ...
[12:20] <signifer123> you guys have a thin client gui yet?
[12:20] <signifer123> for automating mroe of the setup etc...
[12:21] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
[12:21] <ogra> working on it for dapper+1
[12:21] <ogra> feel free to help ;)
[12:22] <signifer123> far enough that its in 6.04?
[12:23] <ogra> dapper+1 is 6.10
[12:23] <signifer123> ok
[12:23] <ogra> only the dhcpd.conf editing works so far, i have no time to work on gui stuff currently, need to get all these new nifty features into ltsp first :)
[12:24] <signifer123> :_p
[12:24] <ogra> then i can add guis for everything ;)
[12:27] <signifer123> :)
[12:27] <signifer123> it won't let me add login sessions :(
[12:28] <ogra> ?
[12:28] <ogra> whats "it" ?
[12:29] <signifer123> LTSP manager?
[12:29] <signifer123> does it save yet?
[12:29] <ogra> nope
[12:29] <ogra> as i said, the only working thing yet is the dhcpd.conf handling ...
[12:30] <ogra> adding the lts.conf handling is easy as well ...
[12:30] <signifer123> ohh...
[12:30] <signifer123> well i don't know anything about either config so i couldn't really help that much :-P
[12:30] <ogra> but the login session stuff needs to be prepared in ldm first ... 50% of the code is in there already, but the other 50% are missing
[12:31] <ogra> (ldm heeds a config or session file and code that reads it)
[12:32] <ogra> *needs
[12:32] <signifer123> hows the student cp doing? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/student-control-panel_shot.png
[12:33] <signifer123> dahh.... it crashed...
[12:33] <ogra> i'll cut out the buttons for vnc and remote execution, so its basically usable for monitoring students and logging them out in dapper ...
[12:33] <signifer123> ok...
[12:34] <_sniff> hey i'm a teacher in china, i'm looking to convert a school's systems to this edubuntu. I must say the idea is fantastic. Right now I;m running a vm network consisting of client and edubuntu server. But there are some problems....
[12:35] <_sniff> most noticeably is that the client has different fonts and the icon scheme is different (much less interesting looking). Also during boot several problems are found with temp files etc.
[12:36] <_sniff> any ideas on how to fix these up? I don't wanna roll this out on 200 systems only to find it has some quirks that i don't know how to iron out
[12:36] <ogra> _sniff, there is a bug in gnome that breaks icon themes if you use the same user twice ...
[12:36] <ogra> use different users and it should be fine
[12:36] <_sniff> ok and what about the fonts?
[12:37] <ogra> thats related
[12:37] <_sniff> also i don't quite understand about using the same user twice... does this mean each time someone logs on to the computer i must create a new user account?
[12:37] <ogra> there is a tool called gnome-settings-daemon that cares for themes, fonts and icons ... it has the bug ...
[12:38] <ogra> you should have an account for every student ...
[12:38] <_sniff> this isn't the setup i was after
[12:38] <ogra> there is a bug filed in gnomes bugzilla about it, but i dont know how fast they'll fix it
[12:38] <_sniff> actually my test network only has one client so how did i use the same user twice?
[12:39] <ogra> you are logged in on the server and on the client with the same user i guess
[12:39] <_sniff> ah i think that's right
[12:39] <ogra> :)
[12:39] <_sniff> i'm a bit dumb!
[12:39] <_sniff> ok
[12:40] <_sniff> two other things that bug me.... one is: if a client doesn't support network boot what options are there for starting it up to recognize the network?
[12:41] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[12:41] <ogra> :)
[12:42] <_sniff> what would i have to do to a stanrd ubuntu/kubuntu installation to make it work the same as edubuntu with regards the serving a clienting (i don't want all the games etc)
[12:43] <ogra> check the wiki for ThinClientHowto
[12:46] <_sniff> is it possible to use the installation cd of edubuntu to install a few files on to potential clients so they can boot and use the server.... or must rom images be made?
[12:47] <ogra> you will need the rom images from rom-o-matic# ...
[12:47] <_sniff> ok understood
[12:48] <_sniff> sorry, but what does it involve to convert and installation of kubuntu or ubuntu into a server so that it can work similarly to edubuntu?  Is it a lot of work?#
[12:49] <ogra> see the ThinClientHowto ... its in fact only five steps you need to do
[12:49] <ogra> its all on the wiki
[12:49] <_sniff> the page doesn't load for me...
[12:50] <_sniff> hmm
[12:50] <_sniff> isn't it ltsp server setu?
[12:50] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientHowto
[12:50] <_sniff> ah
[12:50] <_sniff> ogra are u running ubuntu/kubuntu now?
[12:50] <_sniff> thank you that work
[12:51] <ogra> _sniff, i'm writing the ltsp fot it :)
[12:51] <ogra> so yes, i run it
[12:51] <_sniff> kubuntu?
[12:51] <_sniff> ubuntu?
[12:51] <ogra> ltsp is the same for all three ...
[12:51] <ogra> but i develop edubuntu as well ...
[12:52] <_sniff> well
[12:52] <ogra> i run ubuntu on the laptop i'm currently on... but have also several edubuntu installations here
[12:52] <_sniff> i wish the icon theme from edubuntu could be used in ubuntu as standard, it's much less drab
[12:53] <ogra> you can just install gartoon-icon-theme and select it :)
[12:53] <ogra> the package is in ubuntu as well
[12:54] <_sniff> gartoon
[12:54] <_sniff> ok that's ace
[12:54] <_sniff> am i right in thinking gnome has a substantially lower drain on system resources?
[12:54] <_sniff> than hde?
[12:54] <_sniff> kde
[12:55] <ogra> not substantially ... but its less, yes
[12:55] <ogra> KDE will eat about 150MB per thin client on the server, gnome is happy with about 120
[12:55] <_sniff> hmm?
[12:56] <_sniff> the server needs 150mb of ram per client connected?
[12:56] <ogra> with KDE
[12:56] <ogra> (not connected but per logged in user)
[12:56] <ogra> gnome only needs 100-120
[12:57] <_sniff> so 50 clients=  6gb ram?
[12:57] <ogra> if you want it really low profile, use xubuntu-desktop (xfce)
[12:57] <ogra> yes, about that size ...
[12:57] <_sniff> jesus
[12:57] <_sniff> that's impossible here
[12:57] <ogra> but only if they are logged in simultaneously
[12:58] <_sniff> mmm well the reason why we have 50 computers is because we need that many
[12:58] <ogra> so install xubuntu-desktop, that has a way smaller memory footprint (didnt measure how much, but 32-64MB shoudl be ok)
[12:58] <signifer123> 2 gig ram 5 gig swap?
[12:58] <ogra> you wont be happy if the machine starts swapping ...
[12:59] <SiennaLizard> is that strictly true, ogra? doesn't linux share loaded code between processes to some extent?
[12:59] <_sniff> mmm how do i get the desktop to change to xfce
[12:59] <ogra> SiennaLizard, yes, thats already in that numbers ...
[12:59] <ogra> _sniff, just install xubuntu-desktop, it should just work ...
[12:59] <SiennaLizard> gawd.
[01:00] <ogra> SiennaLizard, there is a table with exact numbers from highvoltage (jonathan carter) on the edubuntu-devel mailing list, look it up in the archive ...
[01:01] <_sniff> what if one is running a vanilla installation of kubuntu or ubuntu... how much does kde and gnome need>?
[01:01] <_sniff> not ltsp or anything
[01:01] <ogra> not less than 256MB
[01:01] <ogra> and a decent amount of CPU speed
[01:02] <ogra> you *can* run it with 128, but thats no fun at all
[01:02] <signifer123> evne if you use openbox or ion ?
[01:02] <signifer123> even*
[01:02] <ogra> and will start swapping as soon as you open more than 2 websites in firefox
[01:02] <ogra> signifer123, that was not the question :)
[01:03] <ogra> indeed a *box windowmanager running standalone will need much... but you loose a lot in usability
[01:03] <signifer123> ogra, i know but i thought maybe the lesser ones would run faster on lower system...
[01:03] <signifer123> bit late :-p
[01:03] <_sniff> what does gnome need? and what does kde  need?
[01:03] <ogra> and in case you start a gnome or kde program, it still loads all the librarys and tools that are needed in the background
[01:04] <ogra> _sniff, standalone ?
[01:04] <_sniff> yes
[01:04] <ogra> see above ...
[01:04] <_sniff> kde and gnome have the same memory requirements?
[01:04] <ogra> wo work fluid with them i'd recommend at least 256MB
[01:04] <ogra> gnome has a bit less memory reqs ...
[01:05] <_sniff> these memory requirements are greater than win xp
[01:05] <ogra> but i wouldnt run either of them with 128MB if you dont want unhappy users
[01:05] <_sniff> mm i see
[01:05] <ogra> it runs with 128MB ...
[01:05] <signifer123> knoppix says you cna run it with kde at 96 mb
[01:05] <ogra> signifer123, a recent one ?
[01:05] <_sniff> what would you use for shit computers with like 64mb?
[01:06] <ogra> _sniff, ltsp and a powerful server
[01:06] <signifer123> *box
[01:06] <signifer123> or that^^
[01:06] <_sniff> but standalone systems
[01:06] <ogra> _sniff, xfce might work fine with 64MB ... i never tried it on such small systems
[01:06] <_sniff> my friend has a gay computer with 64mb, if i change it from windows to linux, what can be done?
[01:07] <_sniff> ah alright
[01:07] <ogra> use a "server" install (its in fact a minimal install with a weird name) and install xubuntu-desktop
[01:07] <ogra> xubuntu is for low profile systems
[01:07] <_sniff> i see
[01:08] <ogra> but i dont know how low that goes
[01:08] <_sniff> thanks for that
[01:08] <_sniff> sounds about what i was looking for
[01:08] <_sniff> guess we'll find out
[01:08] <ogra> yes
[01:08] <ogra> would be nice if you could report back, so we'd have some hints on the wiki for other people in the same situation
[01:08] <signifer123> Thinkpad 600E
[01:08] <signifer123> PII 400MHz
[01:08] <signifer123> 128 MB RAM
[01:08] <signifer123> 6 GB hard drive --works decently
[01:08] <_sniff> i hope to god ubuntu doesn't go the same way as suse.  The Mall school in Richmond used a dual-core system with 2 gigs of RAM to deal with 20 machines, or so, so that adds up nicely.
[01:09] <signifer123> s odoes 64 meg p450
[01:09] <signifer123> so does*
[01:09] <ogra> SiennaLizard, the shared mem might scale with the amount of users....
[01:10] <SiennaLizard> _sniff the nice thing about Ubuntu is you can choose your eyecandy and your window manager just through adding the packages with synaptic and restarting GDM.
[01:10] <_sniff> are the error messagaes that i see when starting a thin client anything to worry about?  Things like could not mount tmp directory etc.?
[01:10] <SiennaLizard> _sniff, when you log in, pick the WM you want out of the sessions list.
[01:10] <ogra> _sniff, nope
[01:10] <_sniff> yeah but i like kde etc
[01:11] <_sniff> so why does it write in big RED letters fail, when actually it doesn't matter
[01:11] <ogra> _sniff, they are caused by starting (in ltsp unused) services on a read only filesystem ...
[01:11] <_sniff> allright that's fantastic new
[01:11] <_sniff> news
[01:11] <ogra> the errors (and the services) are gone in the next release :)
[01:11] <SiennaLizard> ogra, one of the messages refers to a fsck problem. Are there modifications that I could make to stop these checks trying to run?
[01:11] <_sniff> ok cool stuff
[01:11] <SiennaLizard> ogra. ahh. you've answered my question!
[01:12] <ogra> and in fact ltsp has a bootsplash now that would hide tham anyway :)
[01:12] <_sniff> wow a boot splash would be appreciated
[01:12] <SiennaLizard> that's very good news.
[01:12] <ogra> its in the dapper release (6.04)
[01:12] <_sniff> how do you guys reply to a certain user in this irc?
[01:13] <_sniff> i haven't used irc before a few days ago
[01:13] <_sniff> i'm using Konversation
[01:13] <ogra> _sniff, you mean the highlighting ?
[01:13] <_sniff> yes
[01:13] <ogra> just say the name of the user in front of your sentencs
[01:13] <_sniff> it automaticall puts USERNAME, xxxxxxxx
[01:13] <ogra> the client highlights the line then
[01:13] <_sniff> you must type it?
[01:13] <ogra> yes
[01:13] <ogra> _sniff,
[01:13] <_sniff> annoying
[01:13] <ogra> see
[01:13] <_sniff> but that's so hard
[01:14] <ogra> try with the first three letters and hit the tab key
[01:14] <ogra> +or two ...
[01:14] <_sniff> ogra:
[01:14] <ogra> depends hown many people with a similar name are in the room
[01:14] <_sniff> + or two?
[01:14] <ogra> _sniff, :)
[01:14] <_sniff> og
[01:14] <_sniff> ogra:
[01:14] <_sniff> ah i see
[01:15] <ogra> in this room o+tab would suffice to catch me
[01:15] <_sniff> ogra:
[01:15] <_sniff> yeah that's right
[01:15] <ogra> s requires at least 3 letters here
[01:15] <_sniff> ok that's somewhat easier
[01:18] <_sniff> how do i set my ubuntu up to be a dhcp server>
[01:18] <_sniff> so that i can use ltsp?
[01:18] <SiennaLizard> just press tab more times to move through them.
[01:18] <SiennaLizard> _sniff, you can either use the standalone package.
[01:18] <ogra> _sniff, ThinClientHowto explains it
[01:19] <SiennaLizard> _sniff, or use a dhcp server you've already got running on that box
[01:19] <_sniff> erm
[01:19] <_sniff> just installing ltsp starts a dhcp server rigth?
[01:19] <SiennaLizard> I'm using the standalone one quite succesfully.
[01:20] <ogra> _sniff, yes, but you need to adjust the config as described in the howto or in https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup
[01:20] <_sniff> this is really cool, i wanted to set this up at home, where we have 3 computers, 1 of which can be a ltsp server. Using ubuntu means I don't give my parents a bunch of kids games to look at
[01:20] <SiennaLizard> you can start it with /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server
[01:20] <SiennaLizard> sorry, /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server
[01:20] <SiennaLizard>  restart
[01:21] <_sniff> what about setting up a dedicated dhcp server on the machine?
[01:21] <SiennaLizard> that's part of the ltsp standalone package.
[01:22] <SiennaLizard> _sniff, I think you need to get a non-production box and the howto, and have a go. That's all I did, and I'm no pro :-)
[01:22] <_sniff> wouldn't it be ok to include a package selection in ubuntu installation so ltsp can be installed first. And also can replace evolution with tbord etc
[01:22] <_sniff> alright i'm all for having a crack
[01:22] <ogra> have a look at kickstart, that enables such setups ...
[01:23] <_sniff> can't get another box, but i'm running 3 vms on my laptop as we speak, right now i'm inside a kubuntu vm
[01:23] <_sniff> kickstart is where?
[01:23] <_sniff> ah
[01:24] <_sniff> in wiki
[01:24] <ogra> :)
[01:25] <_sniff> i would wipe windows off my laptop completely and just run ubuntu, but i can't get the sound to work
[01:25] <_sniff> or 3d acceleration
[01:25] <_sniff> or 5 button mouse
[01:25] <_sniff> or hotplugging usb
[01:26] <_sniff> or play mp3s
[01:26] <ogra> sounds like you have a faily old laptop with broken acpi ...
[01:26] <_sniff> no
[01:26] <ogra> try booting with noacpi ...
[01:26] <_sniff> sony vaio fs-115e, bought it several months ago
[01:26] <ogra> apart from mp3 the other stuff works for 98% of our users
[01:27] <ogra> mp3 needs some manual intervention... since we cant legally ship the codec
[01:27] <_sniff> also, when i want to restart or shutdown the system sends the Sigkill or whatever, and that's it a blank screen... and never restarts
[01:27] <ogra> thats acip
[01:27] <ogra> *acpi
[01:27] <_sniff> so i disable it?
[01:27] <_sniff> install with no acpi is this what i must do?
[01:28] <ogra> yes, try that ... just add noacpi to the end of our kernel line on boot (hit esc if grub shows up, then you can edit it on the fly)
[01:28] <ogra> *our/your
[01:28] <_sniff> when grub shows i hit esc
[01:29] <ogra> yep
[01:29] <_sniff> it it possible for me to adjust screen brightness?
[01:29] <ogra> then you have the option to edit the kernel line ...
[01:29] <_sniff> ok i edit the kernel line with "no acpi" ?
[01:29] <ogra> i think so ... but i have no recent sony hardware here
[01:30] <_sniff> in my ubuntu system it detects my screen and gives me a slider to adjust the brightness but it makes no difference
[01:30] <_sniff> the fn keys don't work either
[01:30] <ogra> did you report a bug, so the developer can fix it ?
[01:30] <_sniff> no
[01:30] <_sniff> which one should i report?
[01:30] <ogra> do that then ;)
[01:30] <_sniff> so many things that don't work
[01:31] <_sniff> the latest suse (10) most things work, apart from screen brightness. Also i have sound but the system mixer and volume control on the app have no effect
[01:31] <ogra> most of them are related to the fact that sony ships broken acpi BIOSes that report wrong values ...
[01:32] <ogra> as i said, you can work around that by disabling acpi ...
[01:32] <_sniff> what benefits do i lose by disabling acpi?
[01:32] <ogra> no idea, i usually dont buy broken hardware ...
[01:33] <ogra> but i guess power management will suffer a bit
[01:33] <_sniff> i guess non of it is working at the moment anyway
[01:33] <_sniff> the only thing that seems to be ok, is hibernating
[01:34] <ogra> somebody should kick sony for not being standard compliant ...
[01:34] <_sniff> but like i said ubuntu cannot even restart or shutdown my system (mandriva, suse and auditor all can do this!)
[01:34] <_sniff> so which manufacturers of laptops are standard compliant or have a high chance of working with linux?
[01:34] <ogra> that will work with the noacpi option ...
[01:34] <ogra> i guess sound will as well
[01:35] <ogra> ibm is fine, dell is about 70% good, 30% crap ... toshiba is fine apart from having a strange hotkey handling etc ...
[01:35] <ogra> there are lists on the wiki
[01:35] <_sniff> mmm i dislike ibm
[01:36] <_sniff> dell are one of the most gay companies
[01:36] <_sniff> and i've got nothing against toshiba
[01:36] <ogra> some acers might be fine as well ... i have one that works fine with recent kernels, but is a bit buggy with older ones ...
[01:37] <_sniff> mmmm i've seen quite a few decent acer laptops i reckon they're good
[01:37] <_sniff> ok so do i need to do "no acpi" every system restart?
[01:38] <ogra> nope, if it works with the test (its noacpi without space btw) you can add it to your grub setup... see the wiki
[01:38] <_sniff> the wiki
[01:38] <ogra> yes :)
[01:38] <_sniff> i search for acpi and get 0 results
[01:39] <ogra> look at the laptop stuff, sorry i have a meeting now...
[01:39] <_sniff> alright
[01:40] <_sniff> but thank you very much for so much help
[01:40] <_sniff> really appreciate it
[01:40] <ogra> its all in the wiki ... anywhere :)
[01:50] <_sniff> hey
[01:50] <_sniff> can internet users connect to a ltsp server?
[01:50] <_sniff> i mean is it a security vulnerability at all running ltsp?
[01:51] <signifer123> depends on your setup
[01:51] <signifer123> network setup
[01:51] <signifer123> or config setup
[01:53] <signifer123> commonly configuration o
[01:53] <signifer123> no
[01:54] <signifer123> unless the hacker spends his life porting all of the apps he needs to forge ip's
[02:45] <jsgotangco> ogra, hey what do we call our installation for workstation/server? types? modes? eh?
[02:46] <ogra> ?
[02:47] <ogra> can you elaborate ?
[02:48] <jsgotangco> ogra, what do we call them, "workstation mode" "workstation install" "workstation type"
[02:49] <jsgotangco> "server mode" "server install" "server type (of install)"
[02:50] <jsgotangco> or maybe i'm just being too detailed
[02:50] <ogra> i'd say server install
[02:50] <Yagisan> I'd go for install too myself
[02:50] <ogra> but i'm still discussing that to be renamed to minimal install
[02:50] <jsgotangco> yes instead of server
[02:51] <ogra> its a sabdfl decision thats not easy to change
[02:51] <jsgotangco> argghh
[02:51] <ogra> see the thread in ubuntu-devel from ~2 months ago
[02:57] <flint> ogra, you awake?
[02:58] <ogra> flint, yes but pretty busy, i just broke my main machine
[02:58] <flint> highvoltage, jonathan did is spell it right this morning...
[02:58] <highvoltage> flint: :)
[02:59] <flint> ogra, excellent.  jut a little good news, the only part of flight 3.1 that did not work was the chroot (and the serial mouse)
[02:59] <ogra> yup
[02:59] <highvoltage> hmmm. how do i make someone permanent opps...
[02:59] <ogra> i know
[02:59] <ogra> highvoltage, i doubt thats permanent
[02:59] <flint> i excpect the serial mouse not to work.  I will tell you why that is important.... if you are interested.
[02:59] <ogra> i know why thats important
[03:00] <zakame> hi all
[03:00] <flint> ogra, ollie, when you say broken, did you use a hammer, axe or shotgun? :^)
[03:00] <ogra> thats why i did put a whole day into getting inputattach in shape at the london distro sprint
[03:00] <ogra> flint, something wiped my HD ...
[03:00] <flint> ogra, i realise that I am distressingly cheerful about your progress but...
[03:01] <flint> ogra, that is harsh.  ok I am going to stop this and do mondo/mindy for the rest of the day.  You are an inspiration ollie!!!
[03:02] <ogra> flint, i'll ping the mailing list if there is a usable CD to test ... currnetly the whole gnome gets updated, there is no point in CD testing today
[03:03] <flint> just glad to finally be able to report in... thanks.  will hassle some other innocent developer in the mean time...
[03:03] <flint> ogra, a cigi break is in order eh?
[03:11] <jsgotangco> :D
[03:15] <ogra> jsgotangco, ask
[03:16] <ogra> flint, i had 5 cigarettes in 2 minutes ... :)
[03:16] <ogra> all saved, everything in order again
[03:16] <jsgotangco> ogra, is it still updated?
[03:16] <ogra> DONT TEST TODAYS i386 CD !!!
[03:16] <jsgotangco> yay
[03:17] <ogra> jsgotangco, yup
[03:17] <jsgotangco> ogra, i mean the application not the db :D
[03:17] <ogra> 199865 datasets ...
[03:17] <jsgotangco> does it still reside in your machine somewhere?
[03:17] <ogra> it will see some bugfixes for dapper
[03:18] <ogra> yup, but i have a new machine with tape backup and mirrored scsi drives as well as a backup here ...
[03:18] <jsgotangco> ogra, the reason i ask is that we don't have a definitive HCL and that data could be useful...
[03:18] <ogra> so the data is safe ... i'll see when i get time for the sql stuff
[03:18] <ogra> you can access the datasets directly ...
[03:19] <ogra> wget http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/fe203971e939f3d14440e3257d5ead06.xml.bz2 will get you the dataset locally
[03:19] <jsgotangco> that's a lot :D
[03:19] <ogra> especially if you think about the fact that its all in a single folder :)
[03:20] <jsgotangco> arghhh
[03:20] <ogra> its a real ext3 stresstest ...
[03:20] <jsgotangco> how do you decrpyt each dataset?
[03:20] <ogra> (thats why i had to care for backing up everything ;) )
[03:20] <ogra> its not encrypted ... just open it in an editor
[03:21] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[03:21] <jsgotangco> this could pose a challenge
[03:21] <ogra> but dont do a wget http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/*.xml.bz2 please, it will make me poor and need 5.5G on your disk
[03:22] <jsgotangco> doh..and i was supposed to paste it just now
[03:23] <ogra> i have a dvd backup here that goes up to 170000 i could send you ...
[03:24] <ogra> the missing 20000 sets will mainly be dapper ...
[03:24] <jsgotangco> well even just 10 of the dataset will do i'm just thinking of wa y to make it presentable
[03:24] <ogra> yeah, so pull some sets ...
[03:25] <ogra> i was thinking about a parser that presents the logs additionally to cpu and mem at least ...
[03:25] <Yagisan> ogra: excuse the dumb question - but what is this hwdb you are talking about ?
[03:26] <ogra> hwdb.ubuntu.com+
[03:26] <ogra> err omit the +
[03:27] <jsgotangco> Submissions Total: 199865 Today: 25459
[03:27] <jsgotangco> wow is that Today real?
[03:27] <ogra> yeahm the cronjob isnt running
[03:27] <ogra> nope
[03:27] <ogra> daily is about 500 to 800 ... depending on the day
[03:27] <ogra> weekends are less
[03:27] <jsgotangco> and it spikes upon release
[03:28] <ogra> up to 1500
[03:28] <jsgotangco> 1500 machines sold to damnation not bad
[03:30] <zakame> damnation?
[03:30] <Yagisan> um - what's the use of this hwdb ?
[03:30] <ogra> Yagisan, you have a hwdb client app in the systemtools menu ...
[03:31] <jsgotangco> Yagisan, its ogra's little spyware
[03:31] <jsgotangco> joke
[03:31] <ogra> it collects all data from the device manager, dmesg and xorg logs and does a little questionnaire
[03:31] <jsgotangco> (its actually optional)
[03:31] <ogra> oh, and xorg.config ...
[03:31] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:31] <Yagisan> well - if I had a default install I would, but I don't. Does it work on headless boxes ?
[03:32] <ogra> nope
[03:32] <jsgotangco> nope
[03:32] <jsgotangco> (that's actually a good idea though)
[03:32] <ogra> if you have a non headless box, install hwdb-client
[03:32] <ogra> jsgotangco, its planned for the rewrite i want to do since breezy
[03:32] <Yagisan> oh - I'll run it on my ltsp server then
[03:33] <Yagisan> all the others will missout - and they have some interesting things in them
[03:33] <jsgotangco> 199865 datasets is the ultimate HCL list though if properply formatted
[03:33] <Yagisan> (can you say geforce4 in a p2 233 - overkill there)
[03:33] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:33] <jsgotangco> poor GPU
[03:34] <ogra> you could try to use the gpu as fpu :)
[03:34] <ogra> just patch the kernel a bit
[03:34] <Yagisan> it was all I had left in my spare parts box
[03:34] <jsgotangco> boy would i love to dig in to your spare parts box
[03:34] <ogra> lol
[03:35] <ogra> no kernel hacker, sorry :)
[03:35] <jsgotangco> you don't get a geforce4 in a box everyday
[03:35] <jsgotangco> ogra, seriously though, i'd like to branch the hwdb-client...and just study for now...
[03:36] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: It has parts from my first 286 to whatever survived the last power surge/storm/flood/act of god/child so it is an eclectic collection of parts
[03:36] <ogra> the client is in my bzr archive on people.u.c
[03:36] <ogra> the server is a 100 line python script ...
[03:36] <ogra> (or less, never counted lines there)
[03:36] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:38] <ogra> dont expect anything, the code is a weird mess ...
[03:38] <bobulator> hey... anyone got any idea why this thin client wont accept a password?
[03:38] <jsgotangco> hrmmm wlan detection
[03:39] <ogra> bobulator, check /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
[03:39] <bobulator> ta...
[03:39] <jsgotangco> oh cool it even has sean's manual
[03:39] <ogra> bobulator, there should be a line for your current host ...
[03:40] <ogra> if you changed the ip of the interface the thin clients are on post install, you need to run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys again ...
[03:41] <bobulator> i dont think i changed the ip address, but the only ip addresses in there are the server
[03:42] <bobulator> it gets loads of write errors when it boots too?
[03:42] <ogra> yes, thats fixed in dapper ...
[03:42] <ogra> its cause because in breezy you still use a complete default system and the apps are not designed to run on a readonly system ...
[03:43] <bobulator> is dapper still beta?
[03:43] <ogra> none of the apps that start with an error is used, its just cosmetic and slows down the boot
[03:43] <ogra> yup
[03:43] <bobulator> and how can i fix it? 8)
[03:44] <ogra> wait for dapper ?
[03:44] <bobulator> :p
[03:44] <ogra> you can install usplash in the client chroot ...
[03:44] <ogra> that will hide about 50% of the errors
[03:44] <bobulator> why is it doing it anyway?
[03:44] <ogra> read above
[03:44] <bobulator> ohhhh
[03:44] <bobulator> i gets ya, ok
[03:44] <ogra> :)
[03:45] <bobulator> so how do i do that usplash thing?
[03:45] <ogra> i've thrown out all unneeded services in dapper and fixed the remaining ones  ...
[03:45] <ogra> no errors in dapper ...
[03:45] <bobulator> cool :D
[03:45] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install usplash
[03:45] <ogra> should do it ...
[03:46] <ogra> worst case you need to copy the sources.list from the server and run apt-get update with the same chroot command ... in case it doesnt work ...
[03:47] <bobulator> hmm it wont get the package
[03:47] <ogra> whats the error ?
[03:47] <bobulator> 'unable to fetch some archives;
[03:48] <bobulator> looks like its trying to get it off a cd?
[03:48] <bobulator> oooh, maybe ive not edited the sources list
[03:48] <ogra> yes, as i told you ... copy the sources.list and follow the advise ...
[03:49] <bobulator> ok... im on the server now. not sure what you mean? sorry...
[03:49] <bobulator> just edit in the backports?
[03:49] <ogra> nope
[03:49] <ogra> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt
[03:49] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
[03:49] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install usplash
[03:51] <mhz> JaneW: hi, ping
[03:51] <bobulator> hmm its still trying to get from the cd?
[03:52] <ogra> mhz, she's ill
[03:52] <mhz> ogra: oooh, thx
[03:52] <ogra> spacey, eek, that will need evil hacks to ldm
[03:53] <spacey> hehe, we gonna fix it up with old style ltsp. shouldn't be too hard
[03:53] <spacey> with that
[03:53] <flint> ogra, what's up with JaneW?
[03:53] <spacey> gdm has the functionality
[03:53] <ogra> ah, k... gdm should work
[03:53] <ogra> flint, a cold with fever etc
[03:54] <spacey> ogra: but it would be a useful feature in the future for ldm :P
[03:54] <flint> ogra, bummer...
[03:54] <spacey> although you would need a different approach
[03:54] <spacey> i guess
[03:54] <ogra> spacey, pretty hard to do secure
[03:55] <spacey> yeh
[03:55] <spacey> as far as autologin is secure :)
[03:55] <ogra> heh
[03:55] <spacey> besides that i mean
[03:55] <spacey> :p
[03:56] <ogra> the thing is that you need the password file in the chroot for that ...
[03:56] <ogra> thats pretty bad
[03:56] <spacey> why?
[03:56] <spacey> that wouldn't solve anything
[03:57] <ogra> the login manager needs to know the sccounts ...
[03:57] <ogra> *accounts
[03:57] <spacey> you can fetch it from hostname i think
[03:57] <spacey> have to configure the dhcp server to send hostnames to the clients
[03:57] <spacey> and configure the thinclients to fetch that one
[03:58] <spacey> but since its over ssh, you would need a not so private ssh key to login automaticly
[03:59] <ogra> you still need an account name ...
[03:59] <bobulator> arghhh, compouters are shit
[03:59] <spacey> ogra: same as hostname
[04:00] <ogra> spacey, hmm, that would need a host account for every host ... hard to automate
[04:01] <spacey> jup
[04:01] <spacey> but possible
[04:01] <flint> could you give out the hostname when you give out the lease?
[04:01] <ogra> flint, i still dont have the account on the server ...
[04:02] <flint> ogra, i mean the host account could create as part of the lease script...
[04:02] <ogra> eeek evil ...
[04:02] <flint> ogra, I stay up at night practicing stupid questions... :^)
[04:02] <spacey> flint: dhcp server can send the hostname
[04:02] <ogra> flint, arent you security consultant ?
[04:03] <flint> ogra, note the distinction EX-security consultant.
[04:03] <ogra> lol
[04:03] <flint> ogra, I want to git-er-done... anyway you said it is over a secure pipe
[04:03] <spacey> not really
[04:03] <flint> ogra, and while it may appear that I am on the pipe with this suggestion...
[04:04] <spacey> if the private key is in the chroot
[04:04] <spacey> or maybe that doesn't matter
[04:04] <spacey> anyway
[04:04] <flint> ogra, keep in mind that these would be fresh, every time they are made from skel.
[04:04] <flint> ogra, aw but is sooo good...
[04:05] <ogra> heh
[04:05] <flint> ogra, another bad idea is could I help with the serial mouse problem?
[04:05] <flint> ogra, got another bad idea...
[04:05] <ogra> flint, its solved since last week
[04:06] <flint> ogra, ...rats...
[04:06] <ogra> we just need inputattach on the CD ...
[04:06] <flint> oh well back to creating havoc in the universe.  Glad you got your axe back ollie.
[04:07] <ogra> which was shuffled serveral times since we couldnt agree which metapackage it should be in
[04:07] <ogra> it found its final place now, but now the CD is broken#
[04:08] <flint> ogra, the fun never stops...
[04:08] <flint> ogra, back to mondo/mindi
[04:23] <bob> so ogra, sorry to be so thick, let me get this straight... 1)the reason it wont let us log in is because theres something wrong with the network setup adn its not allowing an ssh session? and 2)the things that fail at startup dont really matter
[04:24] <ogra> 2 is right
[04:25] <ogra> for 1, you can create a root password in the chroot and check /ver/log/ldm.log on the client ...
[04:25] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[04:25] <bob> what is the chroot, sorry?
[04:25] <ogra> then boot the client and switch to tty1 (ctrl-alt-f1)
[04:25] <ogra> there log in as root
[04:25] <ogra> and check the logfile
[04:26] <bob> ok, ta...
[04:26] <ogra> /opt/ltsp/i386 is the chroot the client mounts via nfs
[04:26] <bob> is opt where the clients recieve their image from?
[04:27] <bob> ah, cool :)
[04:28] <ogra> Yagisan, we need the opportunity for ops to kick trolls... highvoltage made me an op, no idea why ...
[04:29] <ogra> :)
[04:30] <ogra> bob, yes, /opt is it ... and with the chroot command you can pretend /opt/ltsp/i386 to be / and perform actions in there
[04:30] <Yagisan> :) I find it more fun when the trolls have no idea they are about to be kicked
[04:30] <Yagisan> anyway I should be in bed
[04:30] <ogra> night
[04:31] <bob> ahh i gets ya... althjough i think itll take a while to settle in
[04:32] <bob> ldm.leg is empty
[04:32] <bob> .log
[04:33] <bob> and you meant /var/log/ldm, yeah?
[04:33] <ogra> /var/log/ldm.log
[04:34] <ogra> yup
[04:34] <bob> empty
[04:34] <ogra> you need to produce the error indeed to have something in ther
[04:34] <bob> this is bad?
[04:34] <ogra> so try a login first, then look inside the file :)
[04:35] <bob> i gets ya :)
[04:35] <bob> 'didnt get right output from the greeter'
[04:35] <bob> want the rest?
[04:35] <ogra> something ssh related ?
[04:36] <bob> cant see it... here we go
[04:36] <bob> "traceback (msot recent call last)
[04:36] <ogra> like "authentication failed" or "remote host closed connection" etc ...
[04:37] <ogra> ugh, traceback ?
[04:37] <ogra> thats evil
[04:37] <bob> file "/usr/sbin/ldm, line 93, in ? ldm.run()
[04:37] <ogra> thats a default edubuntu install ?
[04:37] <bob> yarrr
[04:38] <ogra> nothing tweaked at all ?
[04:38] <bob> nope... what could we have tweaked by accident?
[04:38] <ogra> installed from the edubuntu breezy iso ?
[04:38] <bob> yup
[04:38] <ogra> hmm
[04:39] <ogra> you cant tweak anything in the chroot without the chroot command i gave you above
[04:39] <bob> hmm, maybe me faffing around with the commands you gave me earlier changed something...
[04:39] <bob> could have messed something up
[04:41] <bob> hmm the other problem si theres 2 dhcp servers floating around coz the firmware o the router is a tad buggy and you cant turn it off, although im guessing it doesnt matter too much...
[04:42] <ogra> but you obviously get the clients booting, so dhcp wont be an issue
[04:42] <bob> yeah...
[04:43] <ogra> wait a second, i have to rush into a meeting
[04:44] <bob> thats cool :)
[05:03] <jsgotangco> good night
[05:08] <bob> ahha, chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update is trying to connect to <IP_ADDRESS> fo some reason
[05:43] <paolob> Hi guys! I changed the network IPs (in /etc/network/interfaces and in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and in /etc/hosts), and now the clients boot but doesn't permit login in gnome. Any hint?
[05:44] <paolob> Before, the server was <IP_ADDRESS>, and now it's <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:58] <paolob_> Hi guys! Anyone knows if it is possible that the edubuntu server has a IP with the last number <> 1? i.e., could it be <IP_ADDRESS>, or must it be mandatorily <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:58] <ogra> paolob, that doesnt matter ...
[05:58] <ogra> note taht you need to run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server if you changed the ip
[10:57] <signifer123> good afternoon
[10:57] <Burgwork> sa;lit
[10:57] <Lord_Athur> hi
[10:57] <Lord_Athur> hi signifer123
[10:58] <Burgwork> salut even
[10:58] <Lord_Athur> hi Burgwork
[11:50] <mhz_dishes> ogra: can i have your geek opinion on this, please? http://mhz.homelinux.org/tcwiki/MauricioHernandez/ScrapBook/XfceDesktop
[11:50] <mhz_dishes> ogra: I mean the CSS, unless you like XFCE4 in balck