[06:10] <twylight> but you're talking to a 16 year old script kiddie so don't take my word as law
[06:10] <rdvon> with compiz fusion, and emerald
[06:11] <awag> twylight, well yes, but it all fits together nicely in the end, I like how everything is a Class
[06:11] <JJtech> anyways, how to install the nvidia graphics driver?
[06:11] <twylight> !drivers
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drivers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <twylight> !nvidia
[06:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:11] <JJtech> i see
[06:11] <JJtech> thanks
[06:11] <awag> rdvon, your using gnome right?
[06:11] <twylight> gnome *hiss*
[06:11] <rdvon> awag: yup
[06:12] <JJtech> i like KDE
[06:12] <scrubb> Can someone please help me fix adept?
[06:12] <awag> rdvon, when using emerald and compiz, when you maximize a window, does the window title text get all big for a second before resetting to the correct size?
[06:12] <twylight> !adept
[06:12] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:12] <rdvon> awag: yeah, it does. Not all the time though.
[06:12] <twylight> scrubb: how'd you break it?
[06:13] <scrubb> Beats me.  I installed firefox and opera and then it started crashing.
[06:13] <awag> rdvon, ah, same here, i thought maybe it was a kde issue or something, that wouldn't really make sense though
[06:13] <awag> i stopped using emerald because that annoyed me :)
[06:13] <scrubb> I never know how I break things in linux.  They seem to break themselves.
[06:13] <JJtech> lol
[06:13] <awag> using the normal kde decorator
[06:14] <twylight> brb!
[06:14] <rdvon> noooooo
[06:14] <rdvon> I'm mad>=[
[06:15] <rdvon> vlc doesn't so 3g2 as a transcoding option!
[06:15] <rdvon> awwww...
[06:15] <scrubb> twylight, hang on a sec.
[06:15] <JJtech> she left already
[06:15] <rdvon> I found an insane website http://media-convert.com/
[06:16] <JJtech> what's with the website?
[06:17] <JJtech> what does sudo mean?
[06:17] <awag> super user do
[06:17] <JJtech> really?
[06:18] <awag> i think so
[06:18] <awag> yes
[06:18] <rdvon> xD
[06:18] <JJtech> when to use it?
[06:18] <rdvon> I knew the su was super user..
[06:18] <rdvon> But do makes me laugh :D
[06:18] <awag> you use it when you need to do something that requires root
[06:18] <JJtech> i think system user
[06:18] <awag> but you don't want to have to log in as root
[06:18] <awag> so it just does that one command that follows sudo as root
[06:19] <surgy> when i compile and make a source file and then install it what is the defualt installation path? i know the link to the executable is in /usr/local/bin but where are the data files?
[06:19] <scrubb2000> a nice feature, unless you're doing a lot of things that need root permissions...then you use 'su' instead
[06:19] <rdvon> or you type sudo -i and it makes everything run in root.
[06:19] <JJtech> i see
[06:19] <JJtech> what is su then?
[06:20] <surgy> su signs you on as root
[06:20] <surgy> try "sudo su" in your terminal
[06:20] <scrubb2000> but only in the current terminal, no?
[06:20] <rdvon> sudo -i
[06:20] <rdvon> *or
[06:20] <JJtech> b d way, what command to type installing flash player?
[06:20] <surgy> well if your working out of a terminal
[06:20] <surgy> else it signs you on as root in that session
[06:21] <surgy> can anyone answer my question?
[06:21] <scrubb2000> Interesting.
[06:21] <surgy> !flash || JJtech
[06:21] <ubotu> | JJtech: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:21] <JJtech> thanks <surgy>
[06:21] <surgy> np
[06:22] <surgy> no one knows the answer to my question?
[06:22] <JJtech> im at 93% in my Kubuntu installation..
[06:22] <awag> rdvon, i think my computer sucks too much to record my desktop while running compiz :)
[06:23] <rdvon> omg i'm at 93% on transcoding
[06:23] <rdvon> awag: sucks :(
[06:23] <JJtech> lol
[06:23] <rdvon> you tried istanbul?
[06:23] <rdvon> using vlc or anything like that makes any pc lag.
[06:23] <awag> rdvon, yes, it runs smooth during recording, but when i watch it, it always seems to skip huge periods of time and has a low fps in general
[06:23] <scrubb2000> Could someone please help me figure out why adept keeps crashing?
[06:24] <surgy> becuase its adept
[06:24] <surgy> it sucks
[06:24] <scrubb2000> heh
[06:24] <surgy> use the terminal
[06:24] <awag> haha, i was gonna say the same thing
[06:24] <surgy> use apt-get instead of adept
[06:24] <JJtech> what's the diffirence?
[06:24] <surgy> "sudo apt-get install flash-nonfree" or whatever package
[06:24] <scrubb2000> What if I like GUIs more than terminal commands?
[06:24] <awag> install synaptic
[06:24] <surgy> one sucks the other doesnt
[06:25] <surgy> scrubb2000: use windoze then
[06:25] <awag> what does adept tell you when it crashes? anything?
[06:25] <scrubb2000> Are you one of those "
[06:25] <scrubb2000> ack
[06:25] <surgy> lol no
[06:25] <scrubb2000> awag, hold on
[06:25] <surgy> im just frustrated becuase i cant find this directory please excuse my meaness
[06:25] <JJtech> it's done installing...completed.. ^_^  i have to restart guys.. BRB
[06:26] <scrubb2000> awag, it says "Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other adept application or apt-get or aptitude)  Would you like to attempt to resolve the problem?"
[06:26] <scrubb2000> Clicking yes makes it think for a bit.
[06:26] <awag> scrubb2000, hang on, i think i might know how to fix this
[06:26] <awag> scrubb2000, i had this problem a few weeks ago
[06:26] <surgy> scrubb2000: try logging out and logging back
[06:26] <surgy> should fix it
[06:27] <scrubb2000> then the KDE crash handler says adept_installer crashed with SIGABRT
[06:27] <surgy> either that or try "sudo killall adept"
[06:27] <twylight> or sudo rm rf /
[06:27] <twylight> :P
[06:27] <surgy> :)
[06:27] <rdvon> I think the wine abbreviation should be changed to WINdowsEmulator
[06:27] <twylight> that'll make all your problems go away
[06:27] <surgy> twylight: can you help me pleasE?
[06:27] <flaccid> its not an emulator
[06:28] <flaccid> its a subsystem
[06:28] <rdvon> well... the other abbreviation is stupid :P
[06:28] <twylight> what's your issue surgy?
[06:28] <scrubb2000> lemme try the logout thing.  brb
[06:29] <flaccid> "MS Windows Subsystem" or similar is appropriate
[06:29] <surgy> or flaccid? i know one of you guys knows the answer: i just compiled an emulator and it needs plugins and a bios image both of which i have i just cant find the data directory where the emulator was installed after "make install" was ran during compilation, can you point me in the right direction?
[06:29] <flaccid> right direction of what
[06:29] <twylight> probably in somewhere under /
[06:29] <flaccid> i dont even know what you are doing
[06:29] <surgy> where the data directory is
[06:29] <awag> scrubb2000, working?
[06:29] <scrubb2000> Nope.  Same thing.
[06:29] <flaccid> read the make file
[06:30] <awag> scrubb2000, try this sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[06:30] <flaccid> or the README or INSTALL file should advise
[06:30] <awag> scrubb2000, if that doesn't fix it, do this sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:30] <surgy> flaccid: ok it has the executable and a plugins directory and a bios directory, etc etc, and i looked in /usr/local/bin and all that is there is the executable non of the sub directories
[06:30] <scrubb2000> rm /var/... didn't work...
[06:31] <awag> surgy, when i install something from source, it somethings ends up in my home dir, but i'm a nub, so i don't really pay attention, but sometimes it's in a hidden folder in my home
[06:31] <flaccid> surgy: iirc the make file will show all the install paths
[06:31] <surgy> there was no readme and i had to, sh build.sh all, in order to make a configure script to make a "make" file........ been at it for hours
[06:31] <awag> scrubb2000, did you try this sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[06:31] <scrubb2000> awag, yeah.  It's given me some options.
[06:32] <flaccid> surgy: there is no actual standard way to package source trees for compilation, so its really up to the vendor's doco..
[06:32] <awag> scrubb2000, what kind of options?
[06:32] <surgy> flaccid: :( that sucks
[06:32] <scrubb2000> install package maintainer's version, keep my version, show differences, background the process to examine the situation
[06:32] <surgy> is there a search feature where i can search for every file with a certain keyword?
[06:32] <flaccid> surgy: its actually good. check the Makefile
[06:32] <awag> scrubb2000, what is the default? keep your version?
[06:32] <scrubb2000> yeah
[06:32] <awag> scrubb2000, just do that for everything
[06:32] <flaccid> surgy: grep "keyword" /file/location
[06:32] <scrubb2000> k
[06:33] <scrubb2000> awag, that did the trick.
[06:33] <awag> scrubb2000, adept is working?
[06:33] <scrubb2000> yup
[06:33] <awag> cool
[06:33] <scrubb2000> I noticed it set up opera while it was at it...
[06:33] <surgy> flaccid:
[06:33] <surgy> surgy@derek:~/pcsx2/pcsx2$ iirc Makefile.am
[06:33] <surgy> bash: iirc: command not found
[06:34] <scrubb2000> Must have been opera that buggered it the first time.
[06:34] <scrubb2000> Weird.
[06:34] <awag> scrubb2000, yeah, did it crash the first time like in the middle of an install of something?
[06:34] <scrubb2000> awag,indeed it did.
[06:34] <awag> scrubb2000, when that happens i think you have to fix the install by doing sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:34] <jhoc2x2> im back
[06:34] <scrubb2000> awag, what's that doing, exactly?
[06:34] <surgy> !iirc
[06:34] <ubotu> IIRC means "if I remember correctly"
[06:34] <jhoc2x2> ha! officially kubuntu user
[06:34] <scrubb2000> I'm still new to the inner workings of linux
[06:35] <awag> scrubb2000, i'm not entirely sure, i think it goes through and looks at packages that aren't configured or installed correctly and fixes them
[06:35] <awag> scrubb2000, me too, hehe
[06:35] <Ayabara> running compiz-fusion on kubuntu should be quite easy in most cases, right? I have it working in Gnome, but not when I switch to KDE
[06:35] <Ayabara> and compiz-kde is installed
[06:35] <jhoc2x2> how to get compiz-fusion <ayabara> ???
[06:37] <Ayabara> jhoc2x2: on Ubuntu it should be installed by default, on Kubuntu I don't know
[06:37] <Ayabara> !desktop-effects
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about desktop-effects - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <Ayabara> !compiz
[06:37] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:37] <awag> scrubb2000, you should also check out synaptic, just search for it in adept, it is the default package manager in normal ubuntu
[06:37] <awag> scrubb2000, alot of people seem to like it better
[06:38] <scrubb2000> k.  Is it less prone to weirdness?
[06:39] <awag> scrubb2000, yeah, in fact i just opened it up to check it out for the hell of it, and searched for a program that adept didn't find for me, and synaptic found it
[06:40] <Naelr2> still need laptop help... anyone out there have kubuntu installed on an aspire 5520
[06:40] <scrubb2000> ok.
[06:42] <scrubb2000> awag, how can I set one or the other to be the default package manager?
[06:42] <surgy> i just dont know where to look for help on this thing
[06:42] <surgy> 4 hours now
[06:43] <Naelr2> what kinda help you need surgy
[06:43] <surgy> made some long strides but now im stuck on something that should be easy
[06:43] <scrubb2000> surgy, that describes almost all of my experiences with linux so far. =P
[06:43] <Naelr2> hahaha
[06:44] <Naelr2> scrubb2000: what do you mean default packagte manager
[06:44] <Naelr2> sorry package
[06:44] <awag> scrubb2000, well, i'm not sure you need to set either one to default, i just put the one i like in my quicklaunch bar
[06:44] <awag> and click on it, and use it
[06:44] <surgy> Naelr2: i just compiled pcsx2 and got it running now it needs bios and plugins i have the bios and the plugins i just need to know where the directory of pcsx2 is i used "sh build.sh" and "./configur" and "make installe" to build and install the program, there is no readme or any decent documentation on what i need help with
[06:45] <scrubb2000> It may not be a non-issue now...
[06:45] <awag> when i said it is the default package manager in normal ubuntu i just meant it comes installed with synaptic from the start
[06:45] <scrubb2000> Opera wanted to install flash, and seemed to run adept, which then crashed.
[06:45] <awag> oh
[06:45] <awag> hmmm
[06:45] <scrubb2000> But flash seems to be working now.   I never played with emulators ... have you googled it yet?
[06:46] <scrubb2000> and probably takes 10x longer.
[06:46]  * Naelr2 loves the command line
[06:46] <jhoc2x2> do u have any idea why they did not use GUI installs?
[06:46] <surgy> Naelr2: for 40 mins now ive been working on it for hours
[06:47] <surgy> scrubb2000: you can do anything on the command line 10x faster than with a gui
[06:47] <Naelr2> surgy: doh... sorry man.. I have been using linux for 10 years and never played with emulators like those...
[06:47] <jhoc2x2> how so?
[06:48] <Naelr2> I am looking for help with a new laptop I just bought ... damn thing installs but will not boot
[06:48] <scrubb2000> surgy, if you know the commands to use...
[06:48] <surgy> Naelr2: well i just need to know where the file hierarchy for the installed application is so i can find out where the compiled plugins went
[06:48] <scrubb2000> Takes bloody forever if you don't.
[06:48] <surgy> scrubb2000: nah
 try tweaking BIOS setting
[06:48] <surgy> scrubb2000: just use ! before a word here in irc, and ubotu will help like "!ati" she will teach you how to install ati
[06:49] <Naelr2> surgy: do (from the command line) sudo updatedb
[06:49] <awag> surgy, is there a way to  search for packages with apt-get ?
[06:49] <surgy> Naelr2: what does that do?
[06:49] <Naelr2> awag: it is called synaptic
[06:49] <scrubb2000> Not everyone wants to spend hours reading man pages or forums.  I usually just want to boot up and go.
[06:49] <surgy> awag: yeah "sudo apt-cache search packagename"
[06:49] <jhoc2x2> !nividia
[06:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nividia - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:49] <Naelr2> surgy: there is a database of all files on the system... updatedb updates taht database
[06:49] <wilson> when you use configure you might as well use ./configure --prefix=/usr
[06:49] <Naelr2> then you do a locate filename and it will tell you where it is
[06:50] <awag> Naelr2, do you mean i should just use synaptic?
[06:50] <surgy> updateing db now
[06:50] <Naelr2> awag: synaptic has a search feature
[06:50] <surgy> !nv
[06:50] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:50] <wilson> it's probably been installed to /usr/local/bin
[06:50] <wilson> that's not in the path by default
[06:50] <surgy> wilson: yeah i see the link to the executable there but not the datafiles
[06:51] <awag> Naelr2, yeah i know, i was just wondering if i could do it from the command line
[06:51] <Naelr2> surgy: also alot of programs will have hiden directories in your home directory that you keep all your addons too it ...
[06:51] <wilson> i dunno, datafiles maybe in /usr/local/share  or something
[06:51] <jhoc2x2> guys, adept batch is running in my pc, but i need to restart, shud i wait adept to finish??
[06:51] <surgy> awag: try what i told you, sudo apt-cache search packagename from the command line
[06:51] <Naelr2> awag: I have never used one if it exists
[06:51] <awag> surgy, oh yeah thanks i got that
[06:52] <surgy> Naelr2: i looked in hidden files in all the obvious directories, and my db is updated now what?
[06:52] <awag> Naelr2, i was simply bringing it up because people were talking about how they could do everything faster from the cmd line
[06:52] <surgy> awag: thats how you search for packages from the command line
[06:52] <Naelr2> awag: what is the command to start the program
[06:52] <Ayabara> compiz-fusion is working for me in kubuntu now, but I only see one desktop in the desktop switcher in my panel. anyone?
[06:52] <awag> and i was thinking that searching for a package is easier through synaptic and the like
[06:52] <Naelr2> awag: I agree
[06:53] <surgy> easier if your migrating from windows in my opinion but after you start getting into linux cmd will be better
[06:53] <Naelr2> surgy: after you update your database use command locate <filename> to find files
[06:53] <awag> surgy, that command works nicely
[06:54] <awag> now the only thing on my system that remains a problem is strigi
[06:54] <Naelr2> Ayabara: use the desktop settings manager
[06:55] <surgy> strigi?
[06:55] <awag> the search program from feisty worked great for me, but strigi never seems to find anything lol, and yes i have my home folder and some other folders indexed
[06:55] <Ayabara> Naelr2: thanks, but that wasn't it. removing and readding the applet did the trick..
[06:55] <surgy> use "locate filename"
[06:55] <surgy> which im having no luck with
[06:55] <Naelr2> surgy: you can use strigi as well I guess.   I keep forgetting about that I use command line locate
[06:56] <surgy> yeah im not finding it with locate
[06:56] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> finally a channel with real live people! hey i need someone to go to ubuntu and give the site moderator this link http://madderhatters.blogspot.com/?
[06:56] <surgy> seams what im looking for doesnt exsist or im doing something wrong
[06:56] <Naelr2> have you run the emulator yet
[06:56] <surgy> yes
[06:56] <Naelr2> hmmm what is the name of it and where did you get it
[06:57] <Naelr2> surgy: I will try to install it
[06:57] <surgy> it needs to be configured and asks for the bios file directory and the plugins directory, bios is no problem but the plugins were compiled with the emulator and are with its data files so i cant find them
[06:57] <surgy> pcsx2
[06:57] <awag> surgy, another useful command you've made me aware of tonight
[06:57] <surgy> www.pcsx2.net
[06:57] <awag> hehe
[06:57] <surgy> awag: whats that?
[06:57] <awag> surgy, locate :)
[06:58] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> would somebody join into ubuntu and give the moderator this link as i cannot get on the channel please http://madderhatters.blogspot.com/?
[06:59] <wilson> what's the point A2t3can0v3r10rd
[06:59] <surgy> awag: well while Naelr2 is trying to install pcsx2 ill teach you more
[06:59] <surgy> awag: what else do you need to do from cmd?
[06:59] <neilesh> can a newbie ask a question
[06:59] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> i would like to call the moderator's attention to what is written about them
[06:59] <surgy> !ask | neilesh
[06:59] <ubotu> neilesh: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:59] <Naelr2> I posted it
[07:00] <awag> surgy, well, right now i don't really have anything that comes to mind :)
[07:00] <Naelr2> A2t3can0v3r10rd: I posted it
[07:00] <wilson> "without going into specifics"
[07:00] <neilesh> i am having probs with adept.. it refuses to dl the updates..but mah net works just fine
[07:00] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> thank you very much naelr2
[07:00] <Naelr2> not sure if he reads it but I sent it
[07:01] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> i had some bogus moderator cut me for life for nothing
[07:01] <awag> man, some of the window animations in compiz are so cool, i just kinda sit there playing with them sometimes
[07:01] <Naelr2> who is the moderator do you know
[07:01] <Naelr2> or who is the moderator y9ou want to read this
[07:01] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> im not sure it was so long ago
[07:01] <jhoc2x2> awag> will you teach me to configure compiz?
[07:01] <Naelr2> ok I posted it to the irc for ya
[07:02] <surgy> awag: you getting your pms?
[07:02] <Naelr2> surgy: exactly waht did you download
[07:02] <Naelr2> I see .exe
[07:02] <wilson> you might want to mention it's A2t3can0v3r10rd asking, or he won't even know who he's supposed to unban
[07:02] <surgy> the source package
[07:02] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> i only ever used irc for ubuntu support i hate chatting half the chat is peverted
[07:02] <Naelr2> I see .exe's on that page
[07:02] <Naelr2> ok
[07:02] <twylight> !offtoipic ]
[07:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about offtoipic ] - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <rohan> how do i change locales in kubuntu ? in ubuntu there is some Language tool gui
[07:03] <rohan> what do i do in kubuntu ?
[07:03] <rohan> ubotu: locale
[07:03] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[07:03] <surgy> !kubuntu | rohan
[07:03] <ubotu> rohan: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[07:03] <rohan> surgy: err.. so ?
[07:03] <rohan> what was the reason of giving me that factoid, surgy ?
[07:04] <surgy> rohan: check out http://kubuntu.org
[07:04] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> yea i dont really care at this point im just disappointed that people act the way they do on ubuntu it's pretty uptight sometimes
[07:04] <jhoc2x2> !KDE
[07:04] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[07:04] <surgy> rohan: your qoute "<rohan> what do i do in kubuntu ?"
[07:04] <rohan> surgy: are you actually trying to help or just playing the fool ?
[07:05] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> god forbid you go off topic or throw down more then 4 lines of text
[07:05] <scrubb2000> Hmm...how do I make compiz focus and bring windows to the top when I click anywhere on them?
[07:06] <awag> scrubb2000, as opposed to focus following the mouse?
[07:06] <scrubb2000> yeah
[07:06] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> i actually wrote a complaint to shuttleworth's secretary! lol
[07:06] <wilson> scrubb2000: it's in the general options but for some reason it always unticked itself automatically for me so i stopped using compiz
[07:06] <surgy> Naelr2: any luck?
[07:06] <scrubb2000> Pardon my M$ accent, but I'd like it to emulate the way windows brings focus.
[07:07] <scrubb2000> Is it the "raise on click" option?
[07:07] <awag> scrubb2000, ie, you click and it brings it to the top, yes i agree that is what i like, it is in the general options
[07:07] <awag> yes
[07:07] <Naelr2> surgy: wow... it has been a long time since I compiled from source.. and I have been drinking .. refresh my memory please ... it is unziped... dont' I gotta automake something
[07:07] <scrubb2000> why does it automatically untick?
[07:07] <surgy> scrubb2000: you said you like gui right? check out systems settings in your kmenu and toy around there
[07:07] <wilson> scrubb2000:  that sounds like it
[07:07] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> thanks people!
[07:07] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> adios
[07:07] <surgy> Naelr2: thats like a 15 page post on the forums on how to compile that
[07:07] <awag> scrubb2000, oh wait, there is also a "click to focus" one that needs to be checkted too
[07:07] <neilesh> i am having probs with adept.. it refuses to dl the updates..but mah net works just fine..no firefox :(
[07:08] <Naelr2> surgy: u have the link?
[07:08] <scrubb2000> got it clicked already...
[07:08] <awag> scrubb2000, both of those are clicked?
[07:08] <surgy> Naelr2: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399165&highlight=pcsx2 have fun
[07:09] <jhoc2x2> GTG... bye all
[07:09] <scrubb2000> well, they would be if the raise on click didn't keep unchecking itself.
[07:09] <awag> scrubb2000, go to system settings and make sure under window behaviour that too is set to click to focus
[07:09] <wilson> scrubb2000: i had the exact same problem heh
[07:10] <scrubb2000> awag, it is.
[07:10] <awag> hmmmm
[07:10] <awag> scrubb2000, not sure what is wrong then..
[07:10] <awag> weird
[07:10] <scrubb2000> wilson, did you fix it?
[07:11] <Naelr2> surgy: did you get svn code or just what wason the website?
[07:11] <surgy> the 9.4 source is what i used other than that it was all the same as on that link, although that just sets you up for the ./configure make bs
[07:14] <wilson> scrubb2000: i'm trying again now
[07:14] <Naelr2> surgy: I got an error on the build
[07:14] <wilson> there's some things mentioned here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-503145.html   but i'm not holding my breath
[07:16] <surgy> Naelr2: what error?
[07:16] <Naelr2> In file included from Conf.cpp:25:
[07:16] <Naelr2> ../GS.h:41:21: error: GL/glew.h: No such file or directory
[07:17] <Naelr2> make[1]: *** [libZeroGSLinux_a-Conf.o] Error 1
[07:17] <Naelr2> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/naelr/work/pcsx2/plugins/gs/zerogs/opengl/Linux'
[07:17] <Naelr2> make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
[07:17] <Naelr2> Error with building plugins
[07:17] <Naelr2> naelr@beast:~/work/pcsx2$
[07:17] <surgy> you need another package
[07:18] <Naelr2> wtf I installed all from their recomendations
[07:18] <Naelr2> what am I missing
[07:19] <ForgeAus> sometimes you need to find out all of what you have to answer that one :(
[07:19] <surgy> lol theres another in there somewhere im looking for it, it wasnt on the main list :(
[07:20] <awag> does pcsx2 actually work that well?
[07:20] <Naelr2> I never used an emulator
[07:20] <wilson> hmm that seemed to fix it for me scrubb2000
[07:21] <wilson> i went to system settings > window behaviour
[07:21] <wilson> unticked 'click raise active window'
[07:21] <wilson> apply > then ticked it again   and it works as you'd expect
[07:21] <ForgeAus> PCSX2? I know PS1 emulation works ok but PS2? I'm not so sure about
[07:22] <ForgeAus> I do have the emulator I just don't have any games to try it on lol
[07:22] <ForgeAus> I think PS2 is meant to be backwards compatible anyway...
[07:22] <scrubb2000> wilson, yeah, same here.
[07:22] <scrubb2000> Must be a session thing.
[07:22] <wilson> woo yeh ! we done it haha
[07:23] <scrubb2000> These rubbery windows are too cool.  I'm probably going to set compiz to autorun.
[07:23] <surgy> ForgeAus: hey man long time no see
[07:23] <wilson> might have to do it everytime though
[07:23] <ForgeAus> hey surgy :) yeah I havn't been around here much lately
[07:23] <surgy> ive been trying to get pcxs2 working for over 5 hours now
[07:23] <ForgeAus> been busy elswhere
[07:23] <Naelr2> hahah gosh I came in looking for help with my problem... how did I get distracted
[07:23] <ForgeAus> I take it you compiled it
[07:23] <scrubb2000> Since  can't play any HL2-based games on this, I need something to give my video card a workout while I"m using Linux. =)
[07:24] <scrubb2000> Now, what is the "super" button??
[07:24] <Naelr2> the windows key
[07:24] <scrubb2000> ah ha
[07:24] <Naelr2> they can't call it the windows key in linux now can they
[07:24] <ForgeAus> of course they can...
[07:24] <ForgeAus> linux can still have windows
[07:24] <wilson> i really really like the negativity + transparency combo , i can take like this irc window, negatize it and make it a little transparent, pretty cool
[07:24] <surgy> ForgeAus: yes sir but now i cant get the pluggins installed or the bios installed, i have both, i think but i cant find out where to put them and when i tell the emulator where they are it says it cant read from that dir
[07:24] <ForgeAus> its a general term...
[07:25] <ForgeAus> surgy, sounds odd
[07:25] <jhoc2x2> what command to get flash??
[07:25] <surgy> Naelr2: i cant find that dep now
[07:25] <jhoc2x2> !flash
[07:25] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[07:25] <surgy> ForgeAus: yeah i know
[07:25] <ForgeAus> maybe the bios you have is not the one its looking for?
[07:25] <Naelr2> the ubuntu keyboard http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19478366-The-Ubuntu-keyboard
[07:25] <ForgeAus> TOSEC has ps* bioses
[07:25] <Naelr2> they can't call it a windows key on that one
[07:25] <surgy> ForgeAus: i have over 100 different images........
[07:26] <ForgeAus> I dind't know there were THAT many of them
[07:26] <ForgeAus> I thought there were only about 6 different ones...
[07:26] <surgy> oh yeah rangeing from sph1000 all the way to scph44000
[07:26] <ForgeAus> mostly SCPH#####.rom
[07:27] <surgy> ForgeAus: you havnt tried pcsx2 yet?
[07:27] <ForgeAus> I've installed it but not tried running it
[07:27] <surgy> try it real fast
[07:27] <surgy> if you dont mind
[07:27] <ForgeAus> havn't got a ps2 iso or CD to try it with yet..
[07:28] <surgy> run the bios?
[07:28] <ForgeAus> hmm I'm in XP right now.. brb... I wonder if its the same
[07:28] <surgy> :)
[07:28] <ForgeAus> (there is PCSX2 for Windows as well)
[07:28] <surgy> yeah id rather bury myself alive
[07:28] <Naelr2> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19478366-The-Ubuntu-keyboard
[07:28] <wilson> they really need to do something about adept
[07:29] <ForgeAus> ahh give me a list of your directories
[07:29] <ForgeAus> or at least the subones of /pcsx2
[07:29] <surgy> umm
[07:29] <surgy> comand?
[07:29] <ForgeAus> in the bios dir I have 5 files
[07:29] <ForgeAus> scph39004.bin
[07:29] <ForgeAus> scph50003.bin
[07:30] <surgy> pcsx2/bin/branches/pcsx2/plugins
[07:30] <ForgeAus> sony playstation 2 bios (e)(v1.6)(200-10-04)[scph30004].bin
[07:30] <ForgeAus> so look slike they're all .bin not .rom files
[07:31] <surgy> i have three different versions of that bios
[07:31] <surgy> v4 v5 and version 6
[07:31] <surgy> i tell pcsx2 too look in that dir for that bios and it doesnt show up in the drop down bios area
[07:32] <ForgeAus> wait... the .bin bios files should reside /bin/branches/pcsx2/bios
[07:33] <ForgeAus> in windows all the plugins are in <rest of the path>/pcsx2/plugins but they're all .dll's in *nix I don't know if it works the same way
[07:33] <ForgeAus> thats probably where the files are but if they're .dll's???
[07:33] <surgy> yeah it sounds like my file structure is a lot different
[07:34] <ForgeAus> when you run it it should give you a configuration dialog where you choose the plugins
[07:34] <ForgeAus> they should come with the emulator...
[07:34] <ForgeAus> if not pcsx ones should work...
[07:35] <surgy> they did
[07:35] <surgy> but they either didnt build with the rest of the emu or the were built and now i cant find them
[07:36] <ForgeAus> do you have pcsx? or (I think epsxe and fpse are same basic emulator - just not sure which ones had *nix equivs)
[07:36] <surgy> i have epsxe pSX and pcsx2
[07:37] <nalioth> how do you remove widgets from your desktop in kde4 ?
[07:37] <ForgeAus> ok from epsxe, I think the plugins are probably the same ones as you can use in pcsx2
[07:38] <ForgeAus> dunno much about pSX havn't heard of that emulator...
[07:38] <Naelr2> awe man this is making me crazy... can anyone help me make this laptop boot
[07:38] <surgy> it doesnt take plugins its totally emulated with software drivers no hardware acceleration
[07:39] <ForgeAus> epsxe I'm sure has plugins
[07:39] <twylight> night all
[07:39] <surgy> yeah
[07:39] <surgy> just tried
[07:39] <surgy> they dont show up on the drop down lists for pcxs2
[07:39] <ForgeAus> dev 9, usb and firewire could be a problem tho
[07:39] <evil-rhino> does kubuntu gutsy use utf-8 for filesystem encoding by default?
[07:40] <ForgeAus> (not sure if they apply to epsxe)
[07:40] <surgy> ForgeAus: may i pm you to keep spam down? i feal bad being off topic here
[07:40] <ForgeAus> sure
[07:41] <surgy> pmed
[07:43] <surgy> ?
[07:43] <scrubb2000> Thanks for the help, everyone.  Happy thanksgiving.
[07:43] <naelr> guess this laptop is gonna remain windows only
[07:49] <awag> good night all
[07:51] <Tm_T> naelr-asleep: noooo
[07:51] <naelr-asleep> hahaha
[07:51] <Tm_T> naelr-asleep: no awaynicks thanks
[07:54] <surgy> hi
[07:54] <surgy> anyone there?
[07:54] <ForgeAus> zzzzZZZZzzzzz
[07:54] <bazhang> wha?
[08:04] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: ping
[08:14] <araizen> hey all
[08:14] <araizen> i just installed gutsy, but now wine freeze up my whole system every time i run it
[08:14] <araizen> i also updated wine from the repo at the winehq site
[08:14] <araizen> same prob
[08:14] <araizen> has anyone else had this problem?
[08:15] <neville> I get that problem when I run games in it, but it's a problem with my motherboard
[08:15] <araizen> it's not just games
[08:15] <araizen> it's even when i do 'configure wine'
[08:15] <araizen> and it worked great in feisty, so i don't think it's my motherboard
[08:16] <neville> Try purging it, and then freshly installing it, or compiling it from source?
[08:16] <araizen> how do i purge it?
[08:16] <araizen> uninstall it?
[08:17] <neville> Open Adept
[08:18] <neville> Right click Wine, request purging
[08:18] <neville> Then apply changes
[08:20] <araizen> thanks
[08:20] <araizen> just curious, how do you purge via the command line
[08:21] <araizen> could i do 'sudo apt-get purge wine'?
[08:21] <neville> I'm not entirely sure, to be honest, I'm a noob =)
[08:21] <neville> Check apt help though?
[08:21] <araizen> ah okay thanks
[08:22] <neville> sudo apt-get purge package_name
[08:22] <SatManUK> i have downloaded additional levels for pingus - when i try to run them im getting an error zenity not found - when i try to install zenity - its saying i already have the latest version, any suggestions?
[08:23] <stdin> araizen: that's "sudo apt-get --purge remove wine"
[08:23] <araizen> stdin: thanks
[08:23] <neville> yes
[08:23] <neville> Thanks for clearing that ^^;
[08:24] <timri> stdin: note: purge is now a valid command with apt-get and aptitude
[08:25] <stdin> timri: is with aptitude, with apt it's a patch
[08:25] <neville> =/
[08:26] <timri> stdin: According to the man page sudo apt-get purge package_name is valid syntax (on Gutsy)
[08:26] <stdin> timri: yep, it was added via a patch
[08:26] <timri> Btw: why not use aptitude instead of apt-get (so you don't have to autoclean)?
[08:27] <stdin> maybe they want to reinstall it after? who knows. apt works fine (I do use aptitude tho)
[08:28] <timri> stdin: Erm, I meant autoremove *blush*
[08:28] <araizen_> well, that wasn't it
[08:28] <stdin> timri: I know you did ;)
[08:28] <timri> :P
[08:31] <timri> SatManUK: If you're referring to the levels I mentioned yesterday: According to the site you can just copy them. Only the (optional) pingus_levels uses zenity (if i understand correctly it is some kind of guide/walk-through)
[08:32] <SatManUK> timri: i put them where they are supposed to be - in /usr/share/games/pingus/levels/ok
[08:32] <SatManUK> when i run pingus_levels it says:
[08:32] <SatManUK> stuart@ubuntu:/usr/share/games$ pingus_levels
[08:32] <SatManUK> [: 7: not: unexpected operator
[08:32] <SatManUK> zenity not found
[08:32] <SatManUK>
[08:33] <SatManUK> but when i try and sudo apt-get zenity
[08:33] <SatManUK> zenity is already the newest version.
[08:34]  * timri is downloading the source now
[08:35] <timri> (will take a while on my connection 9mb...whoa)
[08:35] <SatManUK> 9mb of pingus?
[08:35] <SatManUK> or pingus levels?
[08:35] <SatManUK> timri: what connection do you have?
[08:35] <timri> SatManUK: Dunno. It said Quellcode, so I'am downloading it now.
[08:35] <SatManUK> inside Georgia i got 8mb / outside Georgia i got 128k :(
[08:35] <SatManUK> ok
[08:36] <timri> SatManUK: I am sadly forced to use a 512Kbits/s with a 5Gbyte monthly cap
[08:36] <timri> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:36] <SatManUK> pah!
[08:36] <timri> erm
[08:36] <SatManUK> no monthly cap
[08:36] <SatManUK> and kubuntu has a nice mirror in Georgia..
[08:36] <SatManUK> thats why i chose this distro
[08:36] <SatManUK> i always been a suse user myself..
[08:37] <SatManUK> but when your connection stinks / no mirror in site - hobsence choice..
[08:37] <timri> SatManUK: apt-cacher to the rescue !
[08:37] <SatManUK> i put the binary in /usr/share/games instead of usr/games
[08:37] <SatManUK> think that might be the problem
[08:38] <timri> SatManUK: -> join me in #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:39] <sebastian^> good morning folks :)
[08:40]  * ForgeAus takes the NextStep backwards
[08:45] <dm> Hello. My umask is set to 0022 so when I create a file or dir its perissions are 0644 resp. 0755. When I save an attachment from kmail its perms are 0400. How can I correct this behaviour?
[08:48] <JJtech> hi guys..
[08:49] <JJtech> im reinstalling kubuntu but not the 64bit edition.. im having trouble with 64bit.. so im reinstalling the 32bit version..
[08:50] <tashiro> Doese any 1 know were i can gather knowledge about Kubuntu?
[08:50] <JJtech> how to configure compiz??
[08:50] <JJtech> !kubuntu
[08:50] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[08:50] <stdin> !compiz | JJtech
[08:50] <ubotu> JJtech: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:52] <se7en> Usenet Download World Record !!!  674 MB in 56 seconds + 28 seconds for uncompressing = 1:24 for downloading a 712 MB Ubuntu CD image. More info about this contest at http://www.usenext.com :)
[08:53] <WaltzingAlong> se7en: no need to spam here
[08:53] <JJtech> yeah.. no need
[08:54] <JJtech> im having trouble with compriz-fusion... when loading, screen freezes
[08:54] <JJtech> pls help
[08:55] <se7en> sorry guys had something to do with (k)ubuntu will not happen again
[08:55] <tashiro> Wats Compiz?
[08:55] <WaltzingAlong> JJtech: check the compiz wiki and channel
[08:55] <JJtech> compriz
[08:55] <JJtech> ok
[08:56] <twiho> hi folks
[08:56] <twiho> is this mainly a chat room or customer care?:)
[08:56] <bazhang> compiz is the 3d effects available in Linux (though best in Kubuntu) tashiro
[08:57] <bazhang> support channel twiho
[08:57] <WaltzingAlong> twiho: support in here
[08:57] <JJtech> no 1 in compiz channel watlz
[08:57] <twiho> oh I am off then :) see you when some problems here show up:D
[08:57] <JJtech> waltz
[08:58] <stdin> JJtech: in #compiz-fusion ?
[08:58] <WaltzingAlong> then check the wiki
[08:59] <JJtech> i followed the instruction at wiki, but failed.. although compriz loads up, the menus and button in my window are gone
[08:59] <JJtech> and i can't resize, or move the windows after loading compriz
[09:00] <WaltzingAlong> JJtech: so reload kwin with             alt+f2 kwin --replace
[09:00] <bazhang> JJtech:  in gutsy?
[09:01] <JJtech> yes
[09:01] <bazhang> check move windows plugin
[09:01] <JJtech> i have a kubuntu 7.10 64bit edition
[09:01] <JJtech> and also im having trouble setting plug-in flash
[09:02] <bazhang> seems a common complaint with 64bit these days
[09:02] <stdin> JJtech: flash is 32bit only, you should look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[09:03] <JJtech> yeah.. i can see that now
[09:03] <JJtech> this is why im changing from 64bit to 32bit version
[09:04] <JackWinter> hiya.  i left my new & shiny kubuntu running over night.  when i came back scrollwheel of my logitech mouse is no longer functional.  this is the 2:nd time this happens?
[09:04] <JJtech> at this moment im using Live CD 32bit, and installing.. hoping not get caught with the previous problem again..
[09:04] <WaltzingAlong> if i had 64bit hardware i would be running kubuntu 64bit
[09:06] <JJtech> im running 64bit earlier, but got the problem of installing flash, and compriz..(i think bcoz im just a newbie)
[09:06] <JJtech> what would you most prefer??? ubuntu or Kubuntu???
[09:06] <WaltzingAlong> i guess compiz will be a problem again with 32bit but flash can work through the nspluginwrapper
[09:06] <WaltzingAlong> JJtech: i have a suspicion those in #kubuntu may lean toward kubuntu
[09:07] <JJtech> :)
[09:07] <JJtech> i guess so
[09:07] <WaltzingAlong> so i prefer kde and thus kubuntu
[09:08] <JackWinter> is there a way to fire up gnome under kubuntu to check it out, wo installing another partition?
[09:08] <JJtech> well, me too.. i use the live CD ubuntu before, but it's not like kubuntu..(i think)..
[09:09] <JackWinter> ah, live ubuntu would be a good idea ;-)
[09:09] <milos> hello ppl
[09:09] <stdin> JackWinter: you can just install ubuntu-desktop and login to gnome
[09:09] <WaltzingAlong> JackWinter: you could also install the package ubuntu-desktop ... ^^
[09:10] <JackWinter> hey, cool. is it dificult to remove if i don't like it?
[09:10] <JJtech> guys, can som1 send me a list of commands regarding kubuntu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:10] <stdin> if you use aptitude to install it, then no
[09:10] <WaltzingAlong> JackWinter: install it through aptitude then remove it through aptitude.  just a package to install then remove
[09:11] <stdin> !shell | JJtech
[09:11] <ubotu> JJtech: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[09:11] <JackWinter> and dependencies?
[09:11] <milos> is anyone here familiar with the parameters given at boot for the kubuntu live 7.10 cd?
[09:11] <stdin> JJtech: this channel is logged and crawled by google, not a good idea to post you email address
[09:11] <JJtech> sorry
[09:11] <WaltzingAlong> JackWinter: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop          will install all that is needed for the 'ubuntu' gnome; sudo aptitude purge ubuntu-desktop     would get rid of that package and the installed dependencies (which are no longer required)
[09:11] <milos> i have a problem with the default installation - screen flickers even in safe vga mode with resolution set (resolution disregarded and set to a resolution that monitor or gpu does not support)
[09:11] <stdin> JackWinter: aptitude takes care of that for you, that's why we suggest it
[09:12] <milos> so, if anyone could tell me the parameters to give at boot time so i dont have to download the alternative cd
[09:12] <WaltzingAlong> or just remove in place of purge* JackWinter
[09:12] <milos> k i`ll wait :)
[09:13] <milos> anyone? :(
[09:13] <surgy> why do i get this error while compiling a plugin?
[09:13] <surgy> /Cache.c: In function ‘_CacheLoadTexture32’:
[09:13] <surgy> ../Cache.c:73: error: memory input 2 is not directly addressable
[09:13] <JackWinter> cool.  just to make sure i understand correctly. all packages i install with aptitude, will have it's dependencies removed when i remove it in aptitude?  this is a q i've been asking myself for a while..
[09:13] <WaltzingAlong> !aptitude | JackWinter
[09:13] <ubotu> JackWinter: aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[09:13] <WaltzingAlong> JackWinter: yes
[09:14] <meta_> Heya everyone!
[09:14] <JackWinter> Thanks
[09:14] <meta_> I was hoping to find out whether or not this distro has a package manager which takes care of all your dependencies.
[09:15] <stdin> meta_: yep, it's debian bases so we use apt
[09:15] <milos> ok let me make this shorter. is there a way to run a debian-installer from the DESKTOPcd?
[09:15] <meta_> Thanks. I think I have a basic idea.
[09:15] <milos> (i`m talking about booting from the cd)
[09:15] <stdin> milos: no, the debian installer isn't even on the live cd
[09:15] <meta_> It would be apt-get ndiswrapper?
[09:15] <stdin> meta_: close "apt-get install ndiswrapper"
[09:16] <stdin> meta_: kubuntu installs Adept as it's default GUI package manager, so you don't need to know apt at all
[09:16] <stdin> (unless you want to know it, that is)
[09:16] <milos> stdin, is there a way to set the resolution to something safer? when i press F4, choose 800x600, and do the installation in the "safe vga mode" - the installer seems to disregard that, and set the resolution to 1920xsomething , and the screen flicers etc...
[09:17] <meta_> Well, Adept isn't showing any packages other than those installed.
[09:17] <milos> *flickers
[09:17] <timri> surgy: Could be an old simd bug in gcc, or it can't find gcc. Try export CXX=`which g++`
[09:17] <tashiro> My amarok always freezes my system any ideas?
[09:17] <meta_> I'm gonna reboot for a sec. That command you gave me was yapping about some process using something and rebooting will probably close that process sooo brb.
[09:17] <stdin> meta_: that's probably because you have the repositories disabled, go to Adept>Manage Repositories and check the boxes
[09:17] <JJtech> wtf..english pls
[09:17] <meta_> Okay. Thanks.
[09:17] <surgy> timri your way over my head
[09:17] <timri> surgy:  and export CC=`which gcc`
[09:18] <milos> btw desktop computer, geforceFX5600, nforce2 mobo
[09:18] <stdin> milos: afaik that should work, don't know why not
[09:18] <meta_> Sorry I'm a Kubuntu noob. Lol.
[09:18] <milos> well it doesent
[09:18] <milos> it starts in 1920xsomething
[09:18] <timri> surgy: That's the first time anyone says that :))
[09:18] <milos> and the screen goes weird
[09:18] <JJtech> change PC
[09:18] <JJtech> lol
[09:18] <milos> heheh no thx :)
[09:18] <meta_> I was gonna manually compile ndiswrapper... But the dependency list was massive and I couldn't be bothered. Lol.
[09:18] <milos> i`ll just download alternate install cd
[09:18] <milos> :(
[09:19] <stdin> meta_: are you using gutsy?
[09:19] <milos> thx for the help guys
[09:19] <milos> i`ll hang around untill it gets downloaded :p
[09:19] <meta_> stdin: Sorry, forgot to mention. No I'm not.
[09:19] <meta_> I'm using 7.04.
[09:19] <meta_> That's the one installed by default in Wubi.
[09:19] <JackWinter> what would be the right channel regarding linux-rt related qs?
[09:20] <stdin> meta_: that's ok, was just going to recommend the restricted drivers manager if you were
[09:20] <meta_> Well, Adept isn't showing anything about repositories.
[09:20] <JackWinter> i got it: #linux-rt ;-)
[09:20] <meta_> When I click Adept, there's only one option. It's quit.
[09:20] <stdin> meta_: should be the 2nd option down
[09:20] <JJtech> lol
[09:21] <meta_> stdin: There is no second option...
[09:21] <milos> brb switching clients
[09:21] <meta_> I click on Adept (beside Edit) and it says Quit.
[09:21]  * ForgeAus wows at the explosion...
[09:22] <jkl_> HELLO
[09:22] <ForgeAus> hey jkl
[09:22] <stdin> meta_: strange...
[09:22] <JJtech> hi
[09:22] <ForgeAus> stdin! :) sup?
[09:22] <milos> where do i inform kubuntu developers about their installer not setting the resolution in the installer?
[09:22] <stdin> ForgeAus: the sun :p
[09:23] <ForgeAus> that depends on which side of the world your on :)
[09:23] <JJtech> lol
[09:23] <stdin> milos: #kubuntu-devel (or #ubuntu-devel )
[09:23] <WaltzingAlong> meta_: adept manager
[09:23] <milos> thx
[09:23] <milos> its both
[09:23] <ForgeAus> luckily its still true (barely) here...
[09:23] <milos> tried ubuntu 6.06
[09:23] <WaltzingAlong> meta_: adept_manager is the name of the program's exec
[09:23] <milos> same thing happens
[09:23] <meta_> WaltzingAlong: I know.
[09:24] <JackWinter> who do i login to ubuntu-desktop if i install it?  do i get a choice of which windowsmanager at the login prompt?
[09:24] <stdin> meta_: ok, close adept and press Alt-F2, then type in "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[09:24] <BEGINNER_IRC> who does have a microphone and want to speak with me?
[09:24] <WaltzingAlong> JackWinter: yes at X login (kdm) you can to pick which session
[09:24] <bazhang> choose session JackWinter
[09:24] <ForgeAus> wow kdesu kate, man its been a long itme
[09:24] <stdin> meta_: then post what's in the file to pastebin
[09:24] <stdin> !pastebin | meta_
[09:24] <ubotu> meta_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:24] <meta_> Wait.
[09:24]  * stdin waits
[09:25] <stdin> !ot | BEGINNER_IRC
[09:25] <ubotu> BEGINNER_IRC: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:26] <JackWinter> thanks alot guys. i think i'll give it a go.
[09:26] <meta_> stdin: I love progress. Starting adept_manager worked... But now the option to manage the repo is faded out.
[09:26] <ForgeAus> Jack your gdm or kdm (or whatever dm you use) to log in generally has a way of selecting which desktop you can log into...
[09:26] <meta_> But at least I see it. Lol.
[09:26] <WaltzingAlong> meta_: wait for adept to stop filtering
[09:27] <stdin> meta_: ahh ok, just wait a while for adept to finish sorting
[09:27] <ForgeAus> for kubuntu's kdm its a from a menu that you have to open from the login screen
[09:27] <WaltzingAlong> meta_: what did you have to do to see the option in adept manager? ... just start adept_manager?
[09:27] <Beau> can any help me with enabling fire effects on my kubuntu? I got water, wobbly and fade working np. Now Iḿ stuck.
[09:28] <stdin> Beau: #compiz-fusion
[09:28] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | Beau, help in there
[09:28] <ubotu> Beau, help in there: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:28] <meta_> WaltzingAlong: Yeah... Should that not have appeared when I went to System > Adept Manager?
[09:28] <stdin> should be/is the same program
[09:28] <Beau> ubotu, thank you
[09:28] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[09:29] <WaltzingAlong> meta_: there are a few packages: adept_updater, adept_installer, adept_batch, adept_notifier, and adept_manager
[09:29] <meta_> Excellent. It's working now.
[09:29] <meta_> I don't understand why...
[09:29] <meta_> All I did was open and close it 3 times and it worked. Lmao.
[09:30] <stdin> meta_: when you install with no internet connection the internet sources are disabled, that's why it was only showing packages you had installed
[09:30] <meta_> That's just weird. Well, thanks!
[09:30] <meta_> stdin: Yeah, I didn't have one at the time.
[09:30] <meta_> Which is why I'm installing ndiswrapper for wireless internet.
[09:31] <stdin> what wireless card do you have?
[09:32] <meta_> stdin: Don't worry. I'm fairly certain I can take it from here. I've already extracted the driver using cabextract and all I needed was ndiswrapper.
[09:33] <stdin> meta_: well ndiswrapper should be a last resort, usually gives poor performance
[09:33] <stdin> if it's broadcom there are native drivers
[09:33] <meta_> stdin: It is broadcom.
[09:33] <stdin> !broadcom
[09:33] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[09:33] <stdin> the native version should be quite simple to do
[09:34] <dm> Hello. My umask is set to 0022 so when I create a file or dir its perissions are 0644 resp. 0755. When I save an attachment from kmail its perms are 0400. How can I correct this behaviour?
[09:36] <JJtech> my box is AMD64bit athlonFX 4000+ , 1.5g RAM, 2 SATA 80gb, 1 EIDE 40gb, nforce430 mainboard, geForce 8400GS video card       what shud i do to take full effects and optimal settings??
[09:37] <stdin> not much, you could install the nvidia graphics driver but that's it.
[09:37] <stdin> linux optimises the rest for you
[09:38] <stdin> JJtech: #kubuntu-devel is not a support channel
[09:40] <milos> stdin, how many people do you help daily?
[09:40] <stdin> no clue, I don't keep count
[09:40] <milos> it is commendable
[09:41] <Tm_T> it's our call, you can say
[09:41] <milos> :)
[09:41] <Tm_T> calling even
[09:41] <JJtech> got to go.. have to restart.....again..
[09:42] <milos> is your work IT related, or do you do this just for a hobby? (sorry for the personal question)
[09:43] <Tm_T> milos: you can consider me as retired hobbyist
[09:43] <milos> hahaha great :)
[09:43] <stdin> it's more a lifestyle than a hobby
[09:43] <Tm_T> stdin: that yes
[09:44] <si0ux>
[09:44] <milos> not many people in the world that would help just because they can...
[09:44] <Tm_T> I do that in every aspect I can
[09:44] <stdin> well, that's the open-source philosophy
[09:44] <Tm_T> IT-related or not
[09:45] <milos> i`m forcing myself to do similar work that you guys do
[09:45] <milos> and i will
[09:45] <milos> as soon as i get my army/work sorted out
[09:45] <Tm_T> anyway, this is slipping to offtopic :-P
[09:45] <milos> sry
[09:46] <Tm_T> no need to be sorry
[09:46] <Tm_T> milos: feel free to join #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:46] <milos> haha cool
[09:47] <ForgeAus> I always thought openStep should have been opensourced by now :)
[09:47] <ForgeAus> lol
[09:49] <surgy> how do you extract a rea only tgz.gz archive?
[09:49] <surgy> read*
[09:49] <ForgeAus> a read only tarball?
[09:49] <meta_> Gotta go! See ya! Thanks again.
[09:49] <ForgeAus> should be smae way as a normal one, you don't need to write to it to extract it
[09:50] <ForgeAus> although generally its .tar.gz
[09:50] <ForgeAus> I've never really heard of read only archive files
[09:51] <surgy> ark says its not in gzip format and the operation failed
[09:51] <dm> Hello. My umask is set to 0022 so when I create a file or dir its perissions are 0644 resp. 0755. When I save an attachment from kmail its perms are 0400. How can I correct this behaviour?
[09:51] <surgy> only thing holding me back from my emu
[09:51] <ForgeAus> either its corrupted or a different format that ark isn't recognising
[09:51] <ForgeAus> (do you have midnight commander? you might want to see if it opens it)
[09:51] <surgy> says gzipped archive with extension .tgz
[09:52] <ForgeAus> yeah you'd expect that, but maybe its named wrong?
[09:52] <ForgeAus> try making it .tar.gz instead?
[09:52] <ForgeAus> .tgz ive mostly only seen used in slackware packages
[09:53] <surgy> !tgz
[09:53] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[09:53] <ForgeAus> .. sofar
[09:53] <ForgeAus> yes I'm aware that its an archive
[09:53] <surgy> well my gpu is in it
[09:53] <surgy> and i need it
[09:53] <ForgeAus> okok I understand that
[09:53] <ForgeAus> like I said try renaming it to .tar.gz and see if its any different
[09:54] <surgy> i did didnt help
[09:54] <ForgeAus> ok... well then I'm not sure I know how to help... it sound sstrange that they're gzipping something thats already gzipped
[09:55] <ForgeAus> (ie I'm not 100% certain but I think .tgz = .tar.gz'd already.. so .tgz.gz is a bit strange)
[09:55] <ForgeAus> .tar.gz is much more common
[09:55] <bucatoamano> hi i have a problem with kommander , save a wigettree setttings
[09:55] <bucatoamano> and restore the settings
[09:57] <surgy> so i need it extracted, either that or i need gssoft.so
[09:57] <ForgeAus> um do a file command on it
 ForgeAus, do a 'file' command on that file to make sure what the extension says it is is, in fact, what it is.
[09:58] <surgy> and how do i do that?
[09:58] <ForgeAus> file <filename> from tthe prompt I gather
[09:58] <sauvin> surgy?
[09:59] <ForgeAus> he's h ere
[09:59] <surgy> yeah
[09:59] <sauvin> You have a .tgz.gz or somesuch?
[09:59] <surgy> yeah
[09:59] <surgy> and ive been at this progect for over 9 hours :(
[09:59] <surgy> lol
[09:59] <ForgeAus> almost sounds like a slackware package thats been re .gz'd
[09:59] <sauvin> Do a 'file whateverfile.tgz.gz' and observe what the command returns. That file may have been renamed.
[10:00] <surgy> GSsoft-0.61.tgz.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Tue Nov 25 07:20:35 2003
[10:01] <sauvin> Mmkay, gunzip it.
[10:01] <sauvin> A new file will appear in that directory. do a 'file' on it, as well.
[10:01] <JJtech> what's the command to get compiz fusion?
[10:01] <surgy> nope
[10:01]  * ForgeAus nods sounds wise
[10:01] <surgy> no new file
[10:02] <sauvin> Did it hurl an error?
[10:02] <surgy> nope
[10:02] <surgy> surgy@derek:~/Desktop$ gunzip -f GSsoft-0.61.tgz.gz
[10:02] <ForgeAus> um... can't remember JJtech, something like apt-get compiz-fusion
[10:02] <sauvin> Moment.
[10:02] <ForgeAus> just curious whats the -f flag?
[10:02] <surgy> actually i gotta hit the sack
[10:03] <surgy> force unzip
[10:03] <ForgeAus> IC
[10:03] <JJtech> ok... i will try
[10:03] <surgy> ima pick this up tommorow
[10:03] <surgy> email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you get the chance please
[10:03] <surgy> thnx for all the help especially you ForgeAus
[10:03] <ForgeAus> no problem surgy
[10:03] <ForgeAus> like I said, good luck :)
[10:04] <surgy> or just pm me with any info you guys got
[10:04] <ForgeAus> I really don't know why they made it so difficult
 i got invalid command
[10:05] <ForgeAus> lol JJtech I'm not suprised
[10:05] <JJtech> and why?
[10:05] <JJtech> what shud i do?
[10:05] <ForgeAus> you can get it from adept if you run adept-manager
[10:05] <ForgeAus> find the compiz package in the list then install that one
[10:06] <ForgeAus> (as long as your using #Kubuntu)
[10:06] <ForgeAus> erm kubuntu
[10:06] <JJtech> kk... i will see to it
[10:06] <ForgeAus> (if you ar using a different distro you may have to use synaptic or whatever it has instead)
[10:07] <ForgeAus> btw sauvin thanx for helping surgy :)
[10:07] <sauvin> I tried.
[10:07] <sauvin> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0833030477
[10:07] <ForgeAus> yeah well I'm not so certain its even doable...
[10:08] <JJtech> Forge, can't understand what distro mean... im a kubuntu nood..
[10:08] <ForgeAus> for all I know it could be a corrupt file or something
[10:08] <JJtech> noob
[10:08] <ForgeAus> ok there are many different forms of the "linux" operating system
[10:08] <se7en> !distro
[10:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about distro - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:08] <ForgeAus> (actually its a linux kernel with alot of gnu programs)
[10:08] <JJtech> ???
[10:09] <Tm_T> ForgeAus: and KDE or GNOME
[10:09] <Tm_T> or both
[10:09] <Tm_T> or
[10:09] <ForgeAus> they all have different names like Mepis, Arklinux, Kubntu, Debian, etc etc..
[10:09] <JJtech> ok.. and???
[10:09] <ForgeAus> well they come with different systems and different software
[10:10] <ForgeAus> its most common that they have one of Gnome and/or KDE as a display manager for X-windows...
[10:10] <ForgeAus> but they often vary between different package management systems
[10:10] <ForgeAus> ie, redhat and Mandriva use .rpm files
[10:10] <ForgeAus> Debian based ones use .deb's
[10:10] <ForgeAus> slackware uses .tgz
[10:11] <ForgeAus> Gentoo uses a system called portage or ebuild..
[10:11] <JJtech> so what is this im using???
[10:11] <ForgeAus> your using Kubuntu which is based on debian, hence .deb packages
[10:11] <JJtech> it said here in the CD, KUBUNTU
[10:11] <JJtech> ahhh.. i see
[10:11] <JJtech> and what shud i do in order to gain it's optimal performance?
[10:12] <ForgeAus> note Ubuntu is an alternate Kubuntu in fact kubuntu is based almsot directly on it, only with KDE packages instead of Gnome ones...
[10:12] <rysiek|pl> hi all
[10:12] <ForgeAus> learn how to tweak your system
[10:12] <JJtech> my PC specs " AMD64 athlon FX dual core 4000+, 1.5gb RAM
[10:13] <ForgeAus> I have a p4 3gig processor... (socket 768)
[10:13] <JJtech> my PC specs " AMD64 athlon FX dual core 4000+, 1.5gb RAM, 200+Hard drive, Geforce 8400GS
[10:13] <ForgeAus> and only 1 gig of ram
[10:13] <ForgeAus> 2x 160 gig hdd's tho
[10:13] <ForgeAus> and an ATI video card
[10:13] <ForgeAus> (AGP8x)
[10:13] <rysiek|pl> hmmm... does anybody know if there is a way to use sed to substitute parts of a file with an output of a command, BUT giving this command one of the matches (e.g. \1) as a command-line argument?
[10:14] <ForgeAus> um not sure what you mean rykiek but sounds like you should be able to pipe it????
[10:14] <ForgeAus> ie output of command a | input of command b
[10:15] <ForgeAus> much like you do with something like: cat < filename | less
[10:15] <rysiek|pl> ForgeAus: aye: some_command | sed "s/myreg(exp)/$( my_command )/"
[10:15] <rysiek|pl> ForgeAus: thing is: I want to do something like: some_command | sed "s/myreg(exp)/$( my_command \1 )/"
[10:16] <rysiek|pl> where \1 is "the first regexp match of sed" (in this case - "exp"
[10:16] <rysiek|pl> )
[10:16] <JJtech> wow you guys!! u do have a great knowledge of commands...
[10:16] <ForgeAus> I'm not familiar with the sed command nor the format of regexp
[10:16] <JJtech> rysiek> i don't know what you mean with that s/myreg thing
[10:17] <stdin> regexp is insane, don't expect to understand it :p
[10:17] <ForgeAus> lol
[10:17] <ForgeAus> regular expression right?
[10:17] <stdin> yep
[10:17] <ForgeAus> just describes the syntax of things somehow?
[10:17] <Larson> anyone here using the iwl4965 wireless driver? I'm having some bizarre performance issues here.. just want to check if it's the driver or something else
[10:18] <ForgeAus> ie to match stuff like number number number exclaimation number number ???
[10:18] <stdin> ForgeAus: something like that ;)
[10:18] <ForgeAus> well at that general level I understand it, as for the symbology it uses is another matter entirely
[10:19] <stdin> $(echo "Hello" | sed 's/[a-z]//') outputs "H"
[10:19] <ForgeAus> lol
[10:19] <stdin> and that's probably the simplest example I can think of
[10:20] <onishidato> hola
[10:21] <onishidato> how can i play  .DAT on Kaffeine
[10:21] <emilsedgh> onishidato: rename it to .mpg :)
[10:21] <onishidato> ảe you sủe?
[10:21] <stdin> .dat is usually mpeg1 from VCDs
[10:22] <onishidato> are you sure
[10:22] <onishidato> rename and we can play?
[10:22] <stdin> try it and see
[10:22] <WaltzingAlong> really would not need to rename it either but doing so should not hurt
[10:22] <stdin> try "file yourfile.dat" to see what it is
[10:25] <onishidato> "file yourfile.dat"?
[10:25] <onishidato> can you explain?
[10:26] <stdin> "file" is a command, and "yourfile.dat" is the .dat file you have
[10:26] <stdin> so if your file is ~/Desktop/MyVid.DAT  you'd run "file ~/Desktop/MyVid.dat"
[10:27] <onishidato> thanks
[10:30] <onishidato> there is a problem
[10:31] <onishidato> whn i use Linux
[10:31] <onishidato> i can't manually onpen my DVD disc tray
[10:31] <onishidato> how can i fix it?
[10:31] <WaltzingAlong> unmount it first
[10:31] <stdin> that happens when you have it mounted
[10:32] <onishidato> unmount?
[10:32] <stdin> go to media:/  right click the dvd drive and choose Eject
[10:33] <onishidato> this is what i got when i try to play the .DAT file on kaffeine
[10:33] <onishidato> 05:33:01 PM: xine: couldn't find demux for >/media/cdrom0/MPEGAV/AVSEQ01.DAT<
[10:33] <onishidato> 05:32:54 PM: xine: found input plugin : file input plugin
[10:35] <JJtech> 06:34:52 PHT: xine: couldn't find demux for >dvd:///dev/hda<
[10:35] <JJtech> 06:34:52 PHT: xine: found input plugin : DVD Navigator
[10:37] <emilsedgh> onishidato: aah, youre trying to play a video cd? use kaffeine's menu...there's an option to play vcd
[10:37] <emilsedgh> onishidato: file->Open VCD
[10:37] <suey> ÷å çà õðåíü
[10:37] <stdin> suey: ??
[10:38] <suey> äà
[10:38] <onishidato> emilsedgh: thanks
[10:38] <Larson-h> anyone knows if a 2.6.23 kernel will be offered (soon?)
[10:38] <JJtech> how about DVD?? how to play??
[10:38] <JJtech> i got this message
[10:38] <JJtech> 06:34:52 PHT: xine: couldn't find demux for >dvd:///dev/hda<
[10:38] <JJtech> 06:34:52 PHT: xine: found input plugin : DVD Navigator
[10:38] <suey> Ïîøëè âñ¸ íàõ
[10:38] <baudthief> Has anyone got GridWars 2 (version 5.4) for linux? I have the windows version, and an older linux version
[10:38] <stdin> !ru | suey
[10:38] <ubotu> suey: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[10:38] <WaltzingAlong> !dvd | JJtech
[10:38] <ubotu> JJtech: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[10:39] <emilsedgh> JJtech: Kaffeine->File->Open DVD
[10:40] <suey> [Ñðä Íîÿ 14 2007] [16:53:19] |Çàéòè| johnsmith2 âîøåë íà êàíàë (n=d110@210-84-14-248.dyn.iinet.net.au).
[10:40] <suey> [Ñðä Íîÿ 14 2007] [16:53:20] <lg188> no the bits
[10:40] <suey> [Ñðä Íîÿ 14 2007] [16:53:30] <lg188> :s
[10:40] <suey> [Ñðä Íîÿ 14 2007] [16:54:09] <Sonjaaa> i have to go now
[10:40] <suey> [Ñðä Íîÿ 14 2007] [16:54:10] <Sonjaaa> bai!
[10:47] <JJtech> naay bisaya diri?
[10:56] <nick_> Hey everyone, I have a k3b question, I keep getting the error "cdrecord has no permission to open this device"  It only started yesterday and before that it worked perfectly.  I have the debugging report, but I don't know how to use pastebin
[10:56] <nick_> I've been web searching and the best I came up with was to run it as sudo but when I do that it gives me an unknown error
[11:00] <nick_> I also just got Nero to use on Windows and it returns an error as well, although it's debuggin report is worthless
[11:02] <rysiek|pl> cu all
[11:13] <neville> What are you trying to do?
[11:16] <ahmad> i have realtek sound card on toshiba satillite but there is no sound at all
[11:16] <ahmad> any one help
[11:18] <nick_> neville: The first time it messed up I was just trying to do a data burn to a normal cd, then it again messed up with a data dvd and now it messes us doing cd iso images
[11:18] <nick_> neville: It simulates fine, but when I go to write it it gets stuck at the 31st megabyte and returns the error
[11:21] <soon> I'm having network problems - just re-installed (up from 7.04 to 7.10). My laptop (IBM T60) has an Intel Atheros card, which seems to be working. Also ethernet (wired) connection to my dhcp router works fine - alas, if I unplug the ethernet I cant get the wifi to work properly.
[11:21] <mweijts> i have a question about kde4
[11:21] <mweijts> Setting up kdm-kde4 (4:3.96.0-1ubuntu3~ppa1) ...
[11:21] <mweijts> dpkg: error processing kdm-kde4 (--configure):
[11:21] <mweijts>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[11:21] <mweijts> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:21] <mweijts>  kdm-kde4
[11:21] <mweijts> whats wrong ?
[11:22] <neville> Have you tried using a different disk?
[11:23] <nick_> neville: Yes, everytime it writes a little bit on them so they are no longer blank, I've been thru 7 cds so far and 2 dvds
[11:24] <neville> Is it able to read other disks fine?
[11:26] <nick_> neville: Yes, it can read data disks that were already made and I can run programs from cd
[11:26] <JJtech> !fusion
[11:26] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[11:35] <WaltzingAlong> mweijts: apparently that one fails on postinst       sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdm-kde4.postinst; sudo aptitude -f install
[11:36] <student> Somebody who knows if its possible to download a Kubuntu 7.10 +KDE 4 prepatched iso somewhere?
[11:38] <stdin> student: nope, kde4 isn't even out yet
[11:41] <mweijts> Thanx WaltzingAlong that removes the error message in Synaptic Package Manager the error is not longer appearing
[11:53] <soon> I need to pass a command to my wireless network card (iwpriv ath0 mode 2) for it to work - where should I put this to have it executed at every boot / network start ?
[11:53] <ghostcube> any news for crashing systemsettings on 3.5.8
[11:53] <ghostcube> ??
[11:54] <ghostcube> feisty
[11:54] <alesan>  hi, what is the component that manages the mounting of for example USB keys?
[11:54] <stdin> soon: try /etc/rc.local
[11:54] <soon> thx
[11:57] <loguser1> does any one knows which port is used by msn messenger? in windows
[11:58] <JJtech> !fusion
[11:58] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[11:59] <anton> Hey, I have a problem: I try to enable restricted drivers, then it says: "there was an error committing changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages"...why?
[11:59] <anton> Just installed Kubuntu 7.10
[12:01] <anton> Anyone? :(
[12:02] <ghostcube> ahh found bug report for 3.5.8 systremsetting crash abnden fix for it thx guys
[12:06] <anton> Hey, I have a problem: I try to enable restricted drivers, then it says: "there was an error committing changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages"...why?
[12:07] <ghostcube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/153636
[12:07] <ghostcube> by
[12:10] <anton> that link didn't work :(
[12:10] <anton> or, the fix didn't work
[12:14] <guhhh> please i lost my system. is there anyway i can reinstall the system without losing my data?
[12:16] <kraut> moin
[12:19] <Armakidon> When install kde4?
[12:20] <JJtech> !fusion
[12:20] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:29] <moofoo> hello, is there a "real" kio client for strigi? like the beagle one (or ftp/fish/etc.) so it can be used in file open dialogs etc.?
[12:46] <Riddell> motu Q&A in 15 mins in #ubuntu-classroom
[12:46] <Tm_T> thanks :)
[12:53] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: quick ping
[12:53] <anton> Hey, I have a problem: I try to enable restricted drivers, then it says: "there was an error committing changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages"...why?
[12:54] <tuxwulf> anton: you forgot to accept the licence agreement
[12:55] <tuxwulf> anton: There is a java package asking to accept some agreement; you have to scroll to the bottom anbd check some box, then click next
[13:00] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: hi
[13:00] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Ho.  Are you a Dot editor?
[13:00] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: tell me about this daily thing
[13:00] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Aha - so it did arrive, then?
[13:00] <Riddell> yes
[13:01]  * SSJ_GZ wasn't sure, as I didn't get a confirmation e-mail :)
[13:01] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Not much to tell, really, apart from what's on the webpage :)
[13:01] <ardchoille> Whoa, digikam is quite nice. It can make html photo galleries as well as an mprg slideshow.
[13:01] <ardchoille> *mpeg
[13:01] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Any particular questions you had in mind?
[13:01] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: what is the image it based on?
[13:02] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Mainly vanilla Kubuntu 7.04 server, with KDM3 and third-party dependencies needed for KDE4
[13:02] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: no kdm 4?
[13:03] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: I thought that would be a little too risky - I always want the user to be able to boot into a graphical login.
[13:03] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: and is it available now?
[13:03] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Yep - there's a torrent for it:
[13:03] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=4855
[13:06] <Bauldrick> what command can i use to send a drive 'to sleep'?
[13:07] <WaltzingAlong> Bauldrick: hdparm ?
[13:07] <Bauldrick> I need to perform a 'live' logic board swap of my hdd
[13:11] <WaltzingAlong> anton: get it working?
[13:11] <poison--> hi guys
[13:11] <WaltzingAlong> guhhh: which system did you lose? "your data" is on the partition with /home, i would guess
[13:11] <poison--> !divx
[13:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[13:11] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: ping me in half an hour if I havn't got back to you
[13:12] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Thanks, will do :)
[13:12] <loguser1> if i cant find linux drivers of a hardware . can i use wine to install windows drivers and then use that hardware?
[13:12] <poison--> whats the easiest way to convert MPG to avi?
[13:12] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support
[13:12] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: no
[13:12] <poison--> <loguser1, what hardware drivers u need?
[13:13] <WaltzingAlong> poison--: mencoder!
[13:13] <loguser1> WaltzingAlong:  why not
[13:13] <loguser1> poison--:  alpha tv tuner
[13:13] <poison--> <WaltzingAlong, sweet!! thanks
[13:13] <poison--> ouch.. tv tuner is a pain
[13:13] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: wine is an implementation of the windows api not the hardware interface
[13:13] <loguser1> WaltzingAlong:  ic..
[13:14] <poison--> !mencoder
[13:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mencoder - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:14] <loguser1> WaltzingAlong: but i cant use the software of the tv tuner by wne ? can i?
[13:14] <poison--> already had it installed, lol
[13:14] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: you will need a driver (kernel module) that recognizes/supports the hardware first
[13:15] <loguser1> WaltzingAlong:  after that. can i use that soft?
[13:17] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: you could. i do not know how well wine would handle tv-in programs. how about mythtv, kdetv, or tvtime
[13:17] <loguser1> k
[13:17] <loguser1> if i use most of the windows softwares by wine. will that give any harm to my linux. does it have any drawbacks?
[13:18] <stdin> loguser1: besides the drawback of using windows software and the buggyness of wine, nope
[13:19] <WaltzingAlong> also that you make the transition more difficult for yourself
[13:19] <WaltzingAlong> and then get to brag to people "yeah i use kubuntu to run my windows programs through wine" to which the reply is "ah ha, so linux does not have applications!"
[13:19] <loguser1> stdin:  is wine buggy ?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:20] <loguser1> too much?
[13:20] <stdin> loguser1: buggy like no other :p
[13:20] <loguser1> :)
[13:20] <WaltzingAlong> and of course it does but you prefer to use the effort in emulating the windows api on gnu/linux rather than finding or learning native programs
[13:20] <loguser1> ok. last question. HOW to install and use a software by wine ?
[13:20] <poison--> <BluesKaj, hi buddie
[13:21] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: grab the .exe installer then at the prompt in konsole            wine setup.exe or whatever it is called
[13:21] <BluesKaj> depends what one runs on wine ...neotrce runs well, google-earth not so well:)
[13:22] <loguser1> dont i have to tell the location of setup.exe to wine ?
[13:22] <stdin> you can cd to the directory with the .exe in it
[13:22] <BluesKaj> <--reverted to the default gusty ATI grphx driver 8.37 after GE just wouldn't go
[13:22] <loguser1> stdin ok
[13:22] <loguser1> thx
[13:23] <BluesKaj> open the exe with wine works for some apps
[13:23] <BluesKaj> what's up poison-- ?
[13:27] <poison--> <BluesKaj, workin as usual, u?
[13:30] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: not a fan of the linux build of googeearth?
[13:30] <WaltzingAlong> google*
[13:34] <BluesKaj> WaltzingAlong, agreed , kinda clunky , but I have a biy of a geography habit ...and it's worse since I retired.. planning trips etc :)
[13:35] <BluesKaj> biy=bit
[13:36] <BluesKaj> poison--, not doing much today ...cold here :/
[13:38] <cs__> arg
[13:38] <cs__> still can't get new fglrx 8.433 to work in 7.10 with accellerated GL
[13:40] <BluesKaj> cs__, what are you trying to do ?
[13:41] <thomax_> for some reason, after apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, I can't change the brightness of my screen and my battery isn't detected anymore
[13:41] <loguser1> what is ssh
[13:41] <thomax_> any idea how to repair this
[13:41] <thomax_> !ssh
[13:41] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[13:44] <loguser1> thomax_:  whats the client for linux?
[13:44] <loguser1> ssh
[13:44] <thomax_> loguser1: ssh
[13:44] <thomax_> just go to commandline
[13:44] <thomax_> type: man ssh
[13:45] <cs__> BluesKaj: trying to get GL to work and not using Mesa Indirect
[13:45] <cs__> ati radeon x850gt 256mb too btw
[13:45] <poison--> <BluesKaj, remeber the last issue i asked u, about my machine freezing?
[13:46] <poison--> it was the damn video card... overheating and died
[13:46] <poison--> lol
[13:46] <loguser1> thomax_:  an app called ssh ?
[13:46] <loguser1> k
[13:46] <loguser1> i need gui ssh client
[13:46] <thomax_> loguser1: jep
[13:46] <thomax_> ah gui
[13:46] <thomax_> hmm
[13:47] <stdin> loguser1: konsole is a gui ssh client
[13:47] <stdin> ssh = secure shell
[13:47] <ardchoille> stdin: I've never seen it put quite that way :)
[13:47] <BluesKaj> cs__, I reverted to the older 8.37
[13:47] <thomax_> loguser1: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ssh-gui/
[13:47] <stdin> well, konsole is a GUI terminal emulator
[13:48] <cs__> BluesKaj: the older 8.37 isn't an option
[13:48] <cs__> it's too slow
[13:48] <stdin> all "GUI ssh clients" are terminal emulators
[13:48] <stdin> just like konsole
[13:48] <cs__> i plan to work with GLSL, which the 8.4x series don't suck at
[13:48] <thomax_> stdin: uhm ok
[13:48] <BluesKaj> cs__, yes but it works , right ?
[13:48] <cs__> 8.4x worked in dapper
[13:48] <cs__> doesn't in gutsy :S
[13:49] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: ping, as requested :)
[13:50] <loguser1_> thomax_:  an app called ssh ?
[13:51] <loguser1_> i need gui ssh client
[13:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> eh?
[13:51] <thomax_> loguser1_: read what stdin just sais
[13:51] <thomax_> said
[13:51] <thomax_> [14:48] <stdin> all "GUI ssh clients" are terminal emulators
[13:51] <thomax_> [14:48] <stdin> just like konsole
[13:51] <WaltzingAlong> !info kdessh
[13:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah
[13:51] <ubotu> kdessh: ssh frontend for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 35 kB, installed size 100 kB
[13:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> Secure SHell.  by its very definition NOT gui
[13:52] <stdin> Daisuke_Laptop: unless you use -Y
[13:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> stdin: point
[13:53] <loguser1_> thomax_:  i missed it
[13:53] <loguser1_> stdin:  what you just said?
[13:53] <stdin> loguser1_: konsole is a gui ssh client
[13:53]  * genii sips a coffee
[13:53] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Laptop: True
[13:53] <BluesKaj> cs__,according to the ATI driver site your 850 series should be using the propriestary ati driver , not the 8.43
[13:54] <loguser1_> stdin:  graphical user interface ?          no i need something like putty
[13:54] <stdin> loguser1_: yes, konsole can do everything putty can
[13:54] <genii> loguser1_: konsole is better than putty
[13:54] <stdin> loguser1_: you can save a session and then click on it to start that session again
[13:55] <stdin> konsole kicks putty's butty :p
[13:55] <ardchoille> hehe
[13:55] <cs__> yea well, tell that to this http://openarena.ws/crap/bench2.txt
[13:55] <ardchoille> kdessh? Isn't that simply konsole with diff features?
[13:55] <loguser1_> stdin: iam very bad at konsole and typing commands
[13:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> loguser1_: get good?
[13:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> :P
[13:56] <loguser1_> geni ^
[13:56] <stdin> loguser1_: well ssh is command line
[13:56] <stdin> ardchoille: I think it actually uses the konsoke kpart
[13:56] <ardchoille> loguser1_: Having Linux and not using the cli is like having a Porsche and walking
[13:56] <cs__> old fglrx = 8.37
[13:56] <stdin> so it's a gui for a gui
[13:56] <WaltzingAlong> !info sshm
[13:56] <ubotu> sshm: A command-line tool to manage your ssh servers. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.1-1 (gutsy), package size 13 kB, installed size 72 kB
[13:56] <loguser1_> ardchoille:  :)
[13:56] <cs__> new = 8.40 (at the time of bench2.txt written file)
[13:57] <cs__> on dapper
[13:57] <loguser1_> how about openshh ?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> cs__, what card do you have again... exactly ?
[13:57] <loguser1_> !info openshh
[13:57] <ubotu> Package openshh does not exist in gutsy
[13:57] <stdin> openssh is ssh, ssh installs openssh-server
[13:57] <loguser1_> !info open-shh
[13:57] <cs__> Radeon X850GT 256MB
[13:57] <cs__> AGP
[13:57] <loguser1_> !info openshh-server
[13:57] <stdin> !msgthebot > loguser1_
[13:58] <ubotu> Package open-shh does not exist in gutsy
[13:58] <ubotu> Package openshh-server does not exist in gutsy
[13:58] <cs__> sure, the ati drivers officially tell you to use 8.37, but the later drivers bring *MUCH* better performance (and supports x850, though unofficially)
[13:58] <ardchoille> loguser1_: ssh is command line, any app that says it's a GUI for ssh, you're still going to have to type in commands.
[13:58] <cs__> no way am i going to play games at 2fps
[13:59] <ardchoille> cs__: dunnet :)
[13:59] <loguser1_> ardchoille:  that doesnt happens in putty. why?
[13:59] <stdin> loguser1_: it does, it's just that putty open a shell then starts an X server. that's not all ssh is
[13:59] <WaltzingAlong> !info putty | loguser1_
[13:59] <ubotu> loguser1_: putty: Telnet/SSH client for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.60-1 (gutsy), package size 302 kB, installed size 744 kB
[13:59] <ardchoille> Because Windows designers don't understand the power of computers?
[14:00] <WaltzingAlong> maybe loguser1_ maybe you mean xming for ms windows boxes?
[14:00] <dopez> is there a 'safe' way to downgrade from gutsy to feisty again ?
[14:00] <stdin> loguser1_: there's no point in doing that in linux, you already have an X server running
[14:00] <stdin> dopez: no
[14:00] <risto> how i can open zip file ?
[14:00] <loguser1_> WaltzingAlong:  no
[14:00] <WaltzingAlong> risto: click it
[14:00] <stdin> use ark (make sure you have unzip installed)
[14:01] <WaltzingAlong> !zip > risto
[14:01] <BluesKaj> well cs__ I tried the driver rec'd by ati for my card too ans the 3D was 50% faster FPS running 'fgl_glxgears' , but I couldn't run my google earth app , and i don't do games so I had no choice but to revert
[14:02] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: ever try solarwinds (i think that is the name of it)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> wind world ?
[14:02] <loguser1_> oooooooooohh ic.
[14:03] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: world wind, yeah perhaps that
[14:03] <ngochai> Hi, can someone please help me wit this: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m10f0b243
[14:03] <loguser1_> these putty and other things are just clients.      the actuall ssh is that same and have to be commaned after putty or any other app logs in...        right?
[14:04] <stdin> loguser1_: yeah, putty just runs command in a shell, it just doesn't show the user them
[14:04] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1_: putty is a frontend to the command line interface of ssh
[14:04] <stdin> there's a reason it has "tty" in it's name
[14:05] <loguser1_> ic
[14:05] <loguser1_> my server (network) doesnt allows portforwarding. can i resolve it by using ssh and making a tunnel?
[14:05] <BluesKaj> WaltzingAlong, yeah world wind...open source java and windows
[14:05] <stdin> you can, but that's rather complex
[14:05] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: but you run through wine anyway ;D
[14:05] <loguser1_> iam a client
[14:06] <BluesKaj> yup, gonna try it in wine , WaltzingAlong
[14:07] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ww2d
[14:08] <ngochai> can someone please take a look at this: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m10f0b243 and help me out?
[14:10] <WaltzingAlong> !brokenkde4 | ngochai
[14:10] <ubotu> ngochai: If you're trying to install KDE4 RC1 but getting errors about dependencies or files being overwritten, make sure you remove ALL of the KDE4 beta packages first. Try this in a !terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime »
[14:13] <ngochai> that brings me to this http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m22a1f0f5
[14:14] <ngochai> apt-get -f install again give me the same thing
[14:18] <WaltzingAlong> ngochai: how about that?
[14:19] <stdin> ngochai: add "kdebase-runtime-bin kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-dev libplasma1" to the end of the command
[14:19] <WaltzingAlong> /notice ngochai  ok add those others too: apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-dev libplasma1
[14:19]  * genii takes a brief mental vacation
[14:19] <loguser1> i just installed kubuntu. i cant open videos and audio files. whats wrong
[14:19] <ngochai> ok, just did that, it worked
[14:19] <WaltzingAlong> !codecs | loguser1
[14:19] <ubotu> loguser1: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[14:20] <ngochai> do I need to remove anything else before going for KDE 4RC1?
[14:20] <loguser1> thx
[14:20] <stdin> ngochai: that removed it all
[14:20] <WaltzingAlong> ngochai: no
[14:20] <genii> WaltzingAlong: LOL yer the !ubotufact master
[14:20] <WaltzingAlong> muhahaha genii ;)
[14:21] <ngochai> ok, going to install KDE4 RC1 now, thank you guys
[14:21] <stdin> btw, I uploaded koffice2 as well last night :)
[14:22] <genii> stdin: How are you finding koffice2 ?
[14:22] <stdin> haven't installed it yet, haven't had time :p
[14:22] <genii> (not where you found it, how is it's usability, etc)
[14:22] <stdin> I'll probably install it later today and compare it to ooO
[14:23]  * genii awaits the review
[14:23] <stdin> how you finding the "new" konversation?
[14:24] <WaltzingAlong> like 1.0.1 ? :D
[14:24] <stdin> "konversation 1.0.2~svn20071122-0"
[14:25] <simion314> something strange is happened, i want to install crossover, i try to run with out sudo and it gives me "Permision denied" i tried with sudo:"sudo  ./install_cxoffice...."  but it gives me command not found, finaly i start konsole as root and i try to run it and it gives me again permision denied, even i am root
[14:25] <WaltzingAlong> package konversation, state installed, version 1.0.2-svn20071122-0
[14:25] <dm> Hello. Any idea how to persuade kmail to respect my umask of 0022 when saving attachmants?
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> simion314: try "sudo chmod -x install_cxoffice"
[14:25] <loguser1> can any one tell me the codec name that can play mp3 avi dvd and almost all video audio formats. ?
[14:25] <WaltzingAlong> simion314: need to make it executable? chmod +x file
[14:26] <WaltzingAlong> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras | loguser1, or just install this package with kubuntu gutsy
[14:26] <ubotu> loguser1, or just install this package with kubuntu gutsy: kubuntu-restricted-extras: Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[14:27] <loguser1> WaltzingAlong:  kubuntu-restricted-extras will play every thing ?
[14:28] <andrewmin> hey all, you know the alt-tab in kubuntu that pops up a list of the windows and you can cycle through them?  one day, mine disappeared and now i just have this normal alt-tab with no list.  any idea how to get it back?
[14:29] <WaltzingAlong> andrewmin: sure thing; system settings/window behavior/focus/navigation and check 'show window list while switching windows'
[14:29] <ardchoille> andrewmin: Been messing with the window manager?
[14:29] <andrewmin> the odd thing is, no i havent.  kinda weird.
[14:29] <Bauldrick> I can no longer watch my videos over samba from my server? How can I do this
[14:30] <konrad> When I try to install programs, any program, with Adept I get an error message claiming failure during saving changes. Any ideas as of how to fix this?
[14:30] <simion314> the file is executable , but i got Permission denied, and i am root, why it does not recognize sudo ./install_cxoffice.. command?
[14:30] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: open konsole. type   sudo aptitude -f install                what is the output?
[14:30] <loguser1> WaltzingAlong:  kubuntu-restricted-extras will play every thing ?
[14:31] <bucatoamano> kommander problem ... how can i ssave settings of my wigettree?
[14:31] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: it is a metapackage to install the commonly desired codec packages, so the short answer, yes
[14:31] <ardchoille> loguser1: No, there are some flash video that even flash9 won't play
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> simion314: try "sudo sh install_cxoffice"
[14:32] <andrewmin> any idea how to snap windows?  for some reason, my window manager reset itself....
[14:32] <loguser1> k
[14:32] <WaltzingAlong> andrewmin: that should be in the same area
[14:32] <loguser1> thx!
[14:32] <WaltzingAlong> andrewmin: window behavior/moving
[14:32] <simion314> thx, i made it work now, is chmod +x the command, i remembered it wrong
[14:32] <andrewmin> thanks WaltzingAlong, that fixed it
[14:33] <WaltzingAlong> change mode to executable, yeah
[14:33] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: Seems like it will try to install/update adept. I'll see where this will get me. Tnx. I'll be back if it doesn't help.
[14:34] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: how does the updater script work?
[14:34] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Magic!
[14:34] <WaltzingAlong> !pastebin > konrad, feel free to pastebin the output of that if you want. otherwise apt-get with -f install will just attempt to fix any broken dependencies (perhaps an upgrade was interrupted or a package was forced by the user)
[14:34] <Bauldrick> why can't I stream .avi's via samba anymore?
[14:34] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Basically, a list of changed files, and the ops to perform on them.
[14:35] <Evil_`> I downloaded Kubuntu and made a live cd, but after I installed it..when I try to run without the disk it doesn't ever start up, it stays on a black screen
[14:35] <simion314> o god, now it sais that my home directory is not belonging to me, i do not enderstend
[14:35] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: source files or binary files?
[14:35] <WaltzingAlong> simion314: had you used chown ? to change the owner?   ls -lh /home/simion314 or whatever it is to show who owns it
[14:35] <Bauldrick> ?
[14:35] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Binary.
[14:36] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Basically - a very, very crude package manager that updates only files that have changed.
[14:36] <WaltzingAlong> Bauldrick: and the process you had been using by which you could stream the files?
[14:36] <simion314> w it works, sorry
[14:37] <Bauldrick> they're sat on a debian box, i would just search to the file and click on it to view... normally
[14:37] <simion314> i used sudo and thats why it do not work, so strange this message errors, it said permision denied and the file was in fact not executable, thx foe all, grath comunity
[14:39] <Bauldrick> kaffeine gives eror... xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL
[14:44] <WaltzingAlong> Bauldrick: so what changed?
[14:44] <WaltzingAlong> Bauldrick: package updates? permission changes?
[14:44] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: apitude finished, still get error when trying to install. Reran sudo aptitude -f install with output as of http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45556/
[14:45] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: it alls seems good http://dot.kde.org/1195678280/
[14:45] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: ok so looks like there were no errors, right? now what did you wish to install?
[14:46] <Bauldrick> by the looks of things its this bug, although I didnt see it way back then. Has it been fixed... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+bug/85049
[14:47] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Whee - my first Dot article! Many thanks :)
[14:48] <konrad> Last try was the java firefox plugin, but I also get errors with KMyMoney
[14:48] <konrad> kpat also gives the same error
[14:49] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: published, sorry for the delay
[14:50] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: No problem at all; thanks for sorting this for me :)
[14:50] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: ok so which error when attempting to install kmymoney? sudo aptitude install kmymoney2         ? feel free to pastebin the errors
[14:51] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: Hmmm... then I get a message saying that the program is already installed... Weird
[14:52] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: ok and about flash? sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[14:54] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: "Nothing to install, upgrade or remove". sudo aptitude install kpat installs as expected though.
[14:54] <cs__> that is VERY strange
[14:54] <cs__> there is no fglrx.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/misc and volatile
[14:54] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: and results of aptitude show flashplugin-nonfree ?
[14:55] <cs__> this is probably the killer of my opengl :(
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> cs__: how did you install your driver?
[14:55] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: sudo aptitude install j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin seems to be getting me somewhere
[14:55] <cs__> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide manual method
[14:56] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: using kubuntu 7.10 (gutsy gibbon) ?
[14:56] <cs__> i'm down to the 'Check that fglrx.ko has been created' step
[14:56] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: yes
[14:57] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: and what were the results of            aptitude show flashplugin-nonfree        in konsole?
[14:58] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: And as for show flashplugin it says installed. I can send it to the pastebin if you can cope with the Swedish :)
[14:59] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45557/
[14:59] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree      said nothing installed, removed, or so on because the requested package was already installed. if the requested package had not existed (in available repositories) there would have been the same message plus a line about package not being found. hence asking for aptitude show package
[15:00] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: ok thanks. so far so good it seems
[15:00] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: So basicly I might just be getting random error messages from Adept but the programs still gets installed?
[15:01] <konrad> Flash is working now
[15:01] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: ah no. just that it would have told you nothing was installed or removed, just running the show made it clear that the package was available (and in your case installed as well)
[15:02] <nosrednaekim> cs_: are you instaling the 8.42 ot 7.11 drivers?
[15:03] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: with aptitude install nonfree-flashplugin for example, aptitude show give the summary: 0 upgraded, 0 new installed, 0 to remove, and 0 not upgraded but it also would have a line about not finding the package. (perhaps that one line gets hidden among the rest, is what i meant)
[15:04] <manuel_> hi
[15:04] <manuel_> i have an crypted home part can this cause trouble wehn i upgrade to gusty?
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> manuel_: not if you just upgeade and don't do a fresh install
[15:05] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: Yes but in the case of KMyMoney it was not installed on my computer. I then try to install with adept, which results in an error saying installation failed. I then run aptitude which says nothing to do because program already installed.
[15:06] <manuel_> ok thx
[15:06] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: well the package name is kmymoney2 .try in adept again now
[15:07] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: Adept shows it as installed now after running aptituse
[15:07] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: ok perhaps aptitude -f install / apt-get -f install   took care of it
[15:07] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: Yes, that could be it
[15:08] <WaltzingAlong> which as far as i know adept manager cannot do
[15:11] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: Thanks a lot for all help!
[15:11] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: glad you got it working!
[15:12] <ZenFish> Hi...I'm having a spot of trouble with dolphin. The menus on either side where it says 'bookmarks' and 'information' - when I mouseover them, they flicker on and off. I can still use them, but it's bugging me. Is there anything I can do?
[15:12] <konrad> Still got to figure out Java in Firefox (on AMD64) - usually a pain in other distros.
[15:12] <WaltzingAlong> flash is 32bit only, you should look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava | konrad
[15:14] <konrad> Tnx again!
[15:14] <stdin> WaltzingAlong: copy cat :p
[15:14] <risto> how i can extract http://codeigniter.com/ zip file ?
[15:14] <WaltzingAlong> maybe a bit though i updated it now
[15:15] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[15:15] <WaltzingAlong> !info ark | risto
[15:15] <ubotu> risto: ark: graphical archiving tool for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 294 kB, installed size 1016 kB
[15:16] <weenus> /whoami
[15:16] <WaltzingAlong> stdin: but thanks all the same.
[15:16] <guy> hello guys - i need help - i have kubuntu 7.04 and whenever i shut it down - it doesn't shut down it just shows the word kubuntu in black. what should i do?
[15:17] <risto> whem i choose Archive Format 7-zip then i dosent' extract
[15:17] <genii> !7zip
[15:17] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[15:17] <WaltzingAlong> risto: is the archive a 7z format or just normal .zip ?
[15:17] <WaltzingAlong> !info unzip | risto
[15:18] <ubotu> risto: unzip: De-archiver for .zip files. In component main, is optional. Version 5.52-10ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 150 kB, installed size 340 kB
[15:18] <cs__> fglrxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:18] <cs__> wee.
[15:18] <cs__> fglrx.ko doesn't want to show up =\
[15:18] <WaltzingAlong> cs__ the guide you are following covers that as well, does it not?
[15:19] <cs__> yes, though there is no solution provided to make fglrx.ko exist
[15:19] <cs__> just symlinks :S
[15:19] <cs__> of files that don't exist
[15:19] <cs__> (and doing the libgl symlink gives Mesa GL again)
[15:20] <WaltzingAlong> cs__: so you need to remove package libgl1-mesa ?
[15:20] <cs__> it's not installed
[15:20] <WaltzingAlong> so  /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc/fglrx.ko never gets created?
[15:21] <cs__> no
[15:21] <cs__> infact, there's no misc/ directory in there either
[15:22] <cs__> hmm fglrx.ko suddenly appeared in the volatile folder
[15:22] <cs__> that wasn't there before :S
[15:22]  * cs__ does that symlink step again
[15:22] <WaltzingAlong> well it *is* volatile afterall
[15:24] <WaltzingAlong> muhahah ;D
[15:24]  * genii thinks about the volatility of ATI
[15:24] <soon> I'm using Konversation - In the Identity window (under server list) I've got the field 'Auto identity' set to just 'NickServ' (and the password in the next field obviously) - but it dont work
[15:24] <soon> Should it be something other than just 'NickServ' ??
[15:24] <Tm_T> wenus: you really should not have that kind of nickchanges
[15:25] <cs__> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Talk:Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide#still_Mesa hrm
[15:25] <WaltzingAlong> soon: it is just NickServ here. have you already registered with nickserv?
[15:26] <soon> yes - and If I use the regular /msg NickServ IDENTIFY password from the dialogue here it works fine
[15:26] <stdin> soon: you can just put your nickserv password in as the server password
[15:27] <stdin> just make sure you set your username to your nickname
[15:27] <wenus> Tm_T It is a cry for help. I am very irritated with the registration process not working. I put in ? /msg NIckServ IDENTIFY mypassword and then says "password incorrect"
[15:27] <Tm_T> wenus: not an excuse to misbehaviour
[15:27] <WaltzingAlong> wenus: /msg nickserv register
[15:28] <soon> Ill just try that ...
[15:28] <soon> jep - it worked thx stdin
[15:28] <stdin> soon: no problem :)
[15:29] <cs__> this mesa issue i'm having is new in the 7.11 driver
[15:30] <wenus> How do I tell if I'm registered? I put in /register "password" and no error came up
[15:30] <wenus> for once
[15:30] <jack111> hey, i've got the problem that in sent mails in kmails e.g. italics or paragraph actuallyall formatting disappears, is there a way to use that with kmail?
[15:30] <WaltzingAlong> wenus: check in the status window. if you are registered then /msg nickserv identify password
[15:30] <funcrush> I can't install build-essential cuz my system request a cd-rom, Gutsy Gibbon
[15:31] <WaltzingAlong> funcrush: remove the reference to the cd in the sources.list or through manage repositories in adept manager
[15:31] <BluesKaj> wenus, try a PM with someone in the channel...if you're registered it will connect
[15:31] <Jucato> funcrush: in Adept Manger, go to Adetp menu -> Manage Repositories and disable the cdrom repository
[15:31] <funcrush> yup thank you!!
[15:32] <wenus> where's the status window?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> !register | wenus
[15:32] <ubotu> wenus: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[15:32] <funcrush> thank you, I resolve that problem
[15:33] <BluesKaj> wenus, then you haven't registered properly
[15:33] <WaltzingAlong> wenus: Ubuntu IRC ?
[15:33] <pag> wenus, I thing you have to ask for a staffer to drop that nick for you, since it's already registered (though owner had not been around for more than a year)
[15:33] <wenus> query ubuto
[15:34]  * cs__ sighs
[15:34] <cs__> i'm going back to winblows
[15:34] <cs__> i give up on this ati issue
[15:34] <jack111> hi, can anyone help?
[15:34] <jack111> i've got the problem that in sent mails in kmails e.g. italics or paragraph actuallyall formatting disappears, is there a way to use that with kmail?
[15:34] <Norgur> metaquestion
[15:35] <wenus> I've been here http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration and copied and pasted the commands using gaim and kopete clients and it still doesn't work.
[15:35] <WaltzingAlong> wenus: it could be that someone else registered the nick already - so you cannot register it and do not know the password to it
[15:36] <BluesKaj> poor cs_  , there goes another ATI victim back to windows :/
[15:36] <stdin> weenus5000: it was registered, but hasn't been used in over a year so you can ask a staffer to drop it for you
[15:36] <draik> Hello all
[15:36] <ptath> Hello, I have just recently changed to KDE from Gnome. There are two things I am missing: 1)  ability to open a new session  keeping the current working directory 2) URL handler able to work from the text in the terminal window. Any advice?
[15:37] <stdin> ptath: KMenu -> Switch User
[15:37] <draik> Quick question. I just plugged in my new 500GB external HDD. I got the following error: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[15:37] <WaltzingAlong> jack111: kmail / options / html formatting, then bold and such still are not sent?
[15:38] <WaltzingAlong> draik: right mouse click the device, properties, then uncheck 'mount as user'
[15:38] <ptath> stdin: i was talking about konsole sessions not login sessions
[15:39] <stdin> ptath: ohh, session > new shell  not working?
[15:39] <WaltzingAlong> ptath: to launch konsole from konqueror with F4 would keep the current working directory
[15:40] <ardchoille> ptath: For your question number 2)  try this: kfmclient exec file  (where file can be a file on your system or an url like http://www.google.com)
[15:40] <stdin> ptath: you can also use bookmarks to open a shell at a specific location
[15:40] <draik> Thank you WaltzingAlong
[15:41] <ptath> WaltzingAlong: thanks but I want to start the new session form the konsole
[15:41] <jack111> WaltzingAlong: hey, where do i check that if the option is ticked? i have only settings there and cannot really find it ..just looked through all
[15:42] <ptath> stdin: bookmarks are not felxible enough for this
[15:42] <jack111> WaltzingAlong: hey i found in the folders...prefer html to plain text..thats it i guess?
[15:43] <WaltzingAlong> ptath: good question. if you did the f4 through konqueror then each subsequent session within konsole would start in the same working dir
[15:45] <ptath> ardchoille: thanks for kfmclient, it is kind of half solution but is better than nothing
[15:45] <naelr_> good morning
[15:45] <cuco> has anyone tested the 4.0 rc1 packages on 7.10?
[15:45] <naelr_> looking for some help with kubuntu on my new laptop
[15:46] <Tm_T> cuco: yes many of us
[15:46] <WaltzingAlong> cuco: yes
[15:46] <naelr_> it installs fine but will not boot
[15:46] <ardchoille> ptath: It simply uses the file association to launch the file in the associated app
[15:46] <cuco> anything special that will mess up completely my machine?
[15:46] <ptath> WaltzingAlong: re f4 from  konqueror : interesting, unfortunately I don't really use file browsing, i am a cmdline type, will try anyway
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> cuco: kde4rc1 does not replace your kde3.5.x so you can use both or one and apps from the other
[15:47] <cuco> is it possible to run a full session?
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> cuco: yes
[15:48] <cuco> WaltzingAlong: yes yes... but do the new packages requier something that may mess up?
[15:48] <risto> waltzubg
[15:48] <risto> waltzing
[15:48] <WaltzingAlong> cuco: na just follow the guide at www.kubuntu.org
[15:48] <Tm_T> hi risto
[15:48] <WaltzingAlong> risto: still with the zip?
[15:48] <risto> yea
[15:48] <risto> normal zip
[15:49] <ptath>  WaltzingAlong: re f4 from  konqueror :  it does not work either, the working dir ins not inherited
[15:49] <risto> i dont no why i cant open it with ark
[15:49] <Naelr> does anyone have any idea how to get my HD recognized by the boot up process I end up in a busybox everytime I try to boot
[15:49] <cuco> WaltzingAlong: any ubuntu rebranding, or stock kde4 packages?
[15:49] <WaltzingAlong> would be kubuntu rebranding i suppose but as far as i know kde4 built for kubuntu
[15:50]  * Tm_T slaps MPat
[15:50] <WaltzingAlong> ptath: for example when browsing with konqueror to ~/downloads then pressing F4 brings up konsole which starts in ~/downloads
[15:51] <stdin> cuco: it's pretty much stock kde4
[15:51] <Naelr> can someone suggest a channel that might be able to help me?
[15:51] <ptath> ardchoille: yes I understand, just read the manual. in gnome terminal you can open a menu with right click on any url no need for copy-paste
[15:51] <WaltzingAlong> risto: so what do you think is the issue? i just downloaded that zip through konqueror/kget then clicked on it in konqueror which opened it in ark. now i could extract it all
[15:51] <dm> Hello. Any idea how to persuade kmail to respect my umask of 0022 when saving attachments?
[15:52] <Tm_T> lol
[15:52] <stdin> cuco: in fact, I don't think we apply a single patch
[15:52] <Tm_T> (test)
[15:52] <risto> i dont no mine thinks its docx file
[15:52] <cuco> stdin: sweet
[15:52] <ardchoille> ptath: You can do that in konsole too, use klipper and enable actions. Then right click on a url pops up the actions and asks what you want to do with the url.
[15:52] <cuco> stdin: are you using an intel based video card by any chance?
[15:52] <stdin> yeah
[15:53] <ardchoille> ptath: I use klipper actions quite a bit in irssi
[15:53] <blendtux> Uptime: 1 days, 7 hours and 28 minutes
[15:53] <stdin> cuco: "Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)"
[15:53] <blendtux> wrong channel
[15:53] <cuco> stdin: tested the kwin effects? when i tried it on svn a few months ago, it did nothing on my machine
[15:53] <Naelr> can anyone even see me ?
[15:54] <ardchoille> Naelr: Yes
[15:54] <Naelr> perhaps they have naelr filter set to on....
[15:54] <ardchoille> hehe
[15:54] <Naelr> oh I am alive .. this isn't a dream
[15:54] <cuco> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[15:54] <stdin> cuco: it works if you don't choose OpenGL
[15:54] <ptath> WaltzingAlong: f4, yes I tried, it works first, but it does not keep the work dir subsequently,
[15:54] <stdin> lemme see if I can find the config
[15:54] <Naelr> so no answer means we don't know... :D
[15:54] <weenus5000> ptath; if you're using konqueror you're in gui context so another way that you might want to make the console always available is to go to settings -> configure toolbar->main toolbar move konsole to active so it will come up on the menu and can be activated in what ever context that you are in in konqueror
[15:54] <WaltzingAlong> ptath: right it will always be the one from which f4 was pressed
[15:55] <ardchoille> Naelr: Or it means the person(s) who do know are either away or not in the channel
[15:55] <ptath> ardchoille: re klipper: I will try it, never used before
[15:56] <ardchoille> ptath: klipper has lots of actions for different apps and content. copying text to the clipboard can trigger certain actions.. makes using the cli much easier.
[15:56] <Naelr> ardcholille: i figured that one.. it was the people who are here and don't say sorry sir perhaps so and so might know but he is not on right now.  This problem has been kicking my butt for going on 5 days now.. no help in forums so went looking for live people
[15:58] <Naelr> ardchoille: don't suppose you know of a good ubunutu or even just linux channel where people might know some good stuff about busybox and why my hd isn't being detected on reboot
[15:58] <ignoramus> Hello all.  I need your help- KNetworkManager no longer automatically connects to my wifi - and there's an entry listed as "hpsetup" ... any help?
[15:58] <ardchoille> Naelr: The problem with that is you'd end up having 380 replies of "I don't know".. that'd be annoying.
[15:58] <ardchoille> Naelr: #linux ?
[15:59] <bucatoamano> mm i have  a problem -,.- i have tryed to install kde4 but it said it has some problme with dowloading kde4core
[15:59] <bucatoamano> where can i download that package
[16:00] <ignoramus> bucatoamano: what exactly did the error say?
[16:00] <draik> I have my / and ~ on two separate partitions. How can I merge them into one partition?
[16:00] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: just a second a redo
[16:01] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: There was an error committing changes. Possible reasons include problems downloading some of the packages or that the commit would break other packages.
[16:01] <ignoramus> bucatoamano: did you try " sudo apt-get -f install " ?
[16:01] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: i think yes but i re.try now
[16:02] <stdin> cuco: having something like this in ~/.kde4/share/config/kwinrc should work http://stdin.pastebin.com/m65a121d1
[16:03] <cuco> stdin: XRender? wow... lame... how is the performance?
[16:03] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: naa =( it said trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/oxygen/64x64/actions/knewstuff.png', which is also in package kde-icons-oxygen
[16:03] <stdin> cuco: it's fine, I could never get the OpenGL backend to work so I tried XRender and it magically worked :p
[16:03] <ignoramus> bucatoamano: have you tried compiling from sources?
[16:04] <stdin> cuco: no noticeable lag that I saw
[16:04] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: no i have read this http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[16:04] <cuco> stdin: well, i will try tonight probably
[16:05] <stdin> cuco: if you're lucky I'll have kdeutils, kdetoys and kdenetwork uploaded by then
[16:05] <ignoramus> bucatoamano: and you've installed all the dev packages?
[16:06] <stdin> bucatoamano: remove ALL the old package FIRST
[16:06] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: i have done only this sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace and kde4base-dev.
[16:06] <stdin> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php <
[16:06] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: i have done only this sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace  kde4base-dev.
[16:06] <funcrush> http://funcrush.tistory.com/77            is this wrong?
[16:06] <weenus5000> for anyone: I'm a Ubunutu user but for the heavy lifting I rely on konqueror because it supports just about every protocol I can think of fish, webdav http https bluetooth samba, I can copy a picture from my cellphone to my server across the internet. I'd like to see Windows explorer do that!
[16:06] <stdin> bucatoamano: wrong
[16:06] <surgy> how do you extract a tgz.gz ?
[16:06] <bucatoamano> stdin: but omg i have read this http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[16:06] <ignoramus> bucatoamano: please follow *every* step and try again
[16:07] <ptath> ardchoille: re klipper: that works - thanks; do you have any idea about keeping the working directory?
[16:07] <stdin> bucatoamano: that's beta3, that's old. we're at RC1 now
[16:07] <ardchoille> ptath: Working directory? Please explain
[16:07] <stdin> surgy: with ark
[16:07] <weenus5000> surgy  first you do tar xzvf filename.gz
[16:07] <ardchoille> weenus5000: It works like that because konqueror is simply a shell for other modules
[16:08] <ignoramus> surgy: with Ark or tar xvf filename.tar
[16:08] <surgy> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[16:08] <surgy> tar: Child returned status 1
[16:08] <bucatoamano> stdin: ignoramus ok thank i will read http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php =)
[16:08] <Risto> how i can extract with unzip command ?
[16:09] <ardchoille> Risto: unzip filename
[16:09] <stdin> Risto: unzip filename.zip
[16:09] <Risto> unzip <filename>?
[16:09] <ptath> ardchoille: when i open a new (terminal) session from konsole I'd like to keep the current working directory of the root (initial) konsole
[16:09] <surgy> weenus5000: ark says its not a zip
[16:09] <Risto> hhe got to work :D
[16:10] <Risto> ty for all
[16:10] <stdin> surgy: try just using "tar xvf filename"
[16:10] <ardchoille> ptath: I've not done that before, sounds like bookmarks or saving a session, not sure.
[16:10] <ignoramus> surgy: you can download rar, 7zip, etc to simply right-click and extract other types of compressed files
[16:11] <Risto> is there flash plugin for konqueror?
[16:11] <surgy> stdin: i tryed that
[16:11] <ardchoille> stdin: We no longer need the z or j (gz or bzip) in the arguments?
[16:11] <ptath> ardchoille: like bookmarks, but more dynamic; gnome-terminal always works this way -- make more sense than going $HOME
[16:11] <surgy> Risto: libflash-nonfree
[16:12] <stdin> ardchoille: tar will normally autodetect the type
[16:12] <ardchoille> ptath: Ah, yeah, ok
[16:12] <ignoramus> risto: for further documentation -------> http://freebsd.kde.org/howtos/konqueror-flash.php
[16:12] <ardchoille> stdin: Nice, ty
[16:13] <surgy> stdin the extension is just .tgz which is weird to me, and ark doesnt know how to handle it
[16:13] <ardchoille> Wow, it went from "tar -xzf file.gz" to "tar xzf file.gz" to tar xf file.gz", the arguments are getting easier to remember :)
[16:13] <stdin> surgy: tgz is short for tar.gz, usually used by slackware
[16:13] <surgy> stdin: ok
[16:14] <ignoramus> surgy: and tar xvzf filename.tgz didn't work?
[16:14] <surgy> nope
[16:14] <ignoramus> surgy: dumb question- you did "cd" to the proper directory, yes?
[16:15] <surgy> ignoramus: of course.......
[16:15] <ignoramus> surgy: ya never know... last week I troubleshot sound issues with a guy for 20 minutes before he discovered he had muted it =)
[16:16] <BluesKaj> surgy, tar -xzvf filename.tgz
[16:16] <surgy> lol
[16:16] <surgy> well i spent 9 hours on this project last night just to find out i couldnt unzip the last file i need
[16:17] <BluesKaj> err , tar -xvzf filname.tar.gz
[16:17] <surgy> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[16:17] <surgy> tar: Child returned status 1
[16:17] <surgy> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[16:17] <stdin> surgy: bad file
[16:17] <surgy> cant be
[16:17] <surgy> :(
[16:18] <ignoramus> surgy: do you have either Rar or 7Zip installed - sometimes theyre helpful...
[16:18] <ardchoille> If stdin says it's a bad file, then I would believe him
[16:18] <WaltzingAlong> file file.tgz
[16:18] <ardchoille> Bad file, bad file!
[16:18] <surgy> surgy@derek:~/Desktop$ file GSsoft-0.61.tgz
[16:18] <surgy> GSsoft-0.61.tgz: POSIX tar archive (GNU)
[16:18] <ardchoille> :)
[16:19] <stdin> it's not tgz, it's TAR
[16:19] <stdin> heh
[16:19] <surgy> its the only file that has this software that im aware of
[16:19] <surgy> stdin: so?
[16:19] <WaltzingAlong> tar xfv GSsof-0.61.tgz
[16:19] <stdin> surgy: mv GSsoft-0.61.tgz GSsoft-0.61.tar; tar xf GSsoft-0.61.tar
[16:19] <WaltzingAlong> or that first ^^
[16:20] <stdin> I'm not sure if tar detects my magic or filename, so rename to tar
[16:20] <surgy> rawks thnx guys
[16:22] <WaltzingAlong> i thought tar knew what to do because of tar z for gzip and j for bz2
[16:22] <ardchoille> WaltzingAlong: NEwer versions of tar should have detected that
[16:22] <ardchoille> I guess it's not perfect yet
[16:23] <stdin> ardchoille: it probably looks at the file extension
[16:23] <WaltzingAlong> course if we tell tar to extract through gzip though the file is not gzipped should tar ignore our request?
[16:24]  * genii thinks about the magic tricks stdin could do with tar
[16:24] <stdin> no, options are explicit
[16:24] <stdin> tar expects the user to be smarter than it is :p
[16:25] <ardchoille> lol
[16:26] <dan__> help, i cant seem to make tremulous or google earth to work in my 7.04. when i try to run them it goes back to login screen badabing
[16:28] <surgy> well
[16:28] <surgy> i need help with pcsx2 but this is the wrong place.
[16:28] <dan__> a lot of people seem to be asleep?
[16:29] <dan__> ok,can anybody pls tell me why im brought back to log in screen when i try to run tremulous or google earth?
[16:30] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Sounds like a crash, I'm afraid :/
[16:30] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Let me guess - ATI card?
[16:30] <dan__> ok nvidia geforce 64
[16:30] <Risto> what was the widget engine for KDE ?
[16:30] <dan__> very old
[16:31] <Risto> i got to geforce 440 64mb
[16:31] <dan__> i run a pentium 3 with 256 mb ram and 4 gigs of hard disk
[16:31] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Hmmm... not sure then.  What about something simple like glxgears?
[16:31] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Wow!
[16:32] <dan__> but i was able to run trem on dapper then
[16:32] <biovore> Risto: widget engine is QT3.3 I think for KDE 3.5.x
[16:32] <dan__> hehe ok maybe not 4 gig - its 30
[16:32] <dan__> !glxgears
[16:33] <ubotu> To display the FPS in glxgears, run 'glxgears -printfps' in a terminal.
[16:34] <dan__> SSJ_GZ: could you tell me what you meant?
[16:34] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Oh - open a terminal, and run
[16:34] <SSJ_GZ> glxgears
[16:34] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: and see if it crashes at all.
[16:35] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Obviously, save your work first :)
[16:36] <dan__> ok the gears are turning blue green and red
[16:36] <dan__> i meant they were turning aroound
[16:37] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Ok, so your comp can run a 3d app without crashing - that's good news
[16:37] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Not really sure what to suggest from here - I was expecting that to crash :/
[16:38] <dan__> sigh...thanks for trying tho
[16:38] <ardchoille> sounds like tremulous and google earth are crashing xorg
[16:39] <dan__> im really a nub been switching back and forth - winxp - dapper - winxp - feisty
[16:39] <dan__> this is the first time i wasnt able to run trem
[16:40] <dan__> man i love that game
[16:40] <dan__> imho best ever fps (aside from cs)
[16:40] <ardchoille> dan__: nvidia geforce 64 ? Not geforce go 6400?
[16:41] <dan__> yep the first one 64 - and a pentium 3 with 256 mb of pc100 ram
[16:42] <ardchoille> dan__: I don't even see that card listed on nvidia's list
[16:42] <combinio> how can i record radio ?? :]
[16:42] <dan__> ? meaning not existing or not supported? well its here
[16:43] <biovore> combinio: internet radio you mean?
[16:43] <ardchoille> dan__: Meaning not supported
[16:43] <combinio> biovore: yeap :)
[16:43] <biovore> gstreamripper works I think
[16:43] <dan__> thats strange tho for it not to run in 7.04 when it ran trem in dapper
[16:43] <biovore> there are programs
[16:43] <ardchoille> dan__: How did you get the model of that card? lspci | grep vga  ?
[16:43] <biovore> !gstreamripper
[16:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gstreamripper - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:43] <biovore> I guess thats not it..
[16:44] <combinio> biovore: i've already installed streamripper
[16:44] <dan__> that command didnt do anything
[16:44] <combinio> but don't know how to use it :/
[16:44] <ardchoille> dan__: Sorry, it's: lspci | grep VGA
[16:45] <dan__> oops my bad
[16:45] <dan__> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2)
[16:45] <ardchoille> Thought so
[16:46] <dan__> sorry
[16:46] <ardchoille> np :)
[16:46] <dan__> :)
[16:46] <ardchoille> dan__: That card requires the legacy nvidia driver. Did you install it?
[16:47] <dan__> not yet
[16:47] <ardchoille> dan__: Want me to walk you thru it?
[16:47] <surgy> theres a gui for that now
[16:48] <ardchoille> surgy: I realise that but that gui has broken things on lots of computers
[16:48] <dan__> ill try to spare you the trouble ;)
[16:48] <ardchoille> dan__: It's no trouble, let me know if you want me to help :)
[16:48] <surgy> ardchoille: i was unaware worked fine on mine :)
[16:48] <ardchoille> surgy: You're lucky
[16:49] <dan__> alright - ill tell when im desperate lol
[16:49] <ardchoille> ok
[16:52] <nchung> !compiz
[16:52] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[16:54] <loguser1> while upgradeing to 7.10 http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8529/snapshot4ao3.jpg
[16:56] <ardchoille> loguser1: Did you try upgrading by manually editing your sources list and dist-upgrade?
[16:56] <loguser1> no
[16:57] <ardchoille> loguser1: Ok, then you need to install the required meta-package. It's usually installed by default and sounds like you may have removed it.
[16:58] <NetersLandreau> if the window decorator crashes in compiz, what's the easiest way to restart it?
[16:58] <loguser1> ic..
[16:58] <loguser1> name?
[16:58] <ardchoille> NetersLandreau: join #compiz-fusion
[16:58] <NetersLandreau> thx
[16:59] <ardchoille> loguser1: you using kubuntu? If so, you should install the kubuntu-desktop meta-package
[16:59] <_michael> hello is there a way when dual booting to get lilo to when booting linux show the existance of the windows drive, but when windows boots for it to not know the linux drive even exists?
[16:59] <loguser1> ya
[16:59] <loguser1> ok
[17:01] <stdin> _michael: windows only recognises windows formatted partitions (FAT and NTFS), anything else it ignores
[17:01] <sandsmark> _michael: firstly, Kubuntu comes with GRUB as default
[17:02] <sandsmark> _michael: secondly, GRUB chainloads Windows, so it thinks it's started by the BIOS
[17:03] <_michael> sandsmark: I know but I had to install lilo to get it to boot it was available as an alternative
[17:03] <loguser1> what are pre released updates.?  is it important to check it while upgrading or updating.
[17:04] <_michael> My biggest concern is that a virus that may format the drive woudl come on windows and with the linux drive connected it may be formatted. Is that a valid concern or is it impossible?
 i installed nvidia legacy
[17:07] <sandsmark> _michael: highly unprobably
[17:07] <sandsmark> *probable
[17:08] <sandsmark> _michael: there's been maybe two proof-of-concept viruses that could spread between different types of partitions in windows
[17:10] <loguser1> what are pre released updates.?  is it important to check it while upgrading or updating.
[17:10]  * genii sips a coffee
[17:11] <_michael> Well that is a relief, but do you know I can edit lilo.conf and add an option to the windows entry blocking it from knowing about a second drive? maybe something like "ignore hda" (as windows will be the slave drive)
[17:16] <ardchoille> dan__: Good job! Is the game working now?
[17:16] <ardchoille> Morning genii
[17:16] <wightstraker> I just upgraded from 7.04 to 7.10 on a ppc, and now my kmix won't work at all; I'm getting now sound. Any advice?
[17:16] <wightstraker> *no
[17:16] <ardchoille> !sound
[17:17] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[17:17] <bazhang> wightstraker: on a laptop? open up konsole and type alsamixer
[17:17] <dan__> series of errors
[17:17] <wightstraker> Not a laptop
[17:17] <wightstraker> Old lamp imac
[17:18] <dan__> i am editing xord.conf
[17:18] <wightstraker> ARTS is running too
[17:18] <loguser1> whats expected that ubuntu will maintain its updating. or will exist in self and in support and in making kubuntu.             for how many years more   ????
[17:18] <ardchoille> dan__: ok
[17:18] <_michael> A second question if I were to do a full upgrade in adept followed by a version upgrade would I lose ANY of my current configurations (even aethetic preferences?) or would I turn on the system and everything would be displayed as I had before with only "under the hood" changes?
[17:18] <genii> ardchoille: Hiya :) Sorry for lag, giving assistance in #ubuntu plus also trying to eat lunch
[17:18] <ardchoille> :)
[17:19] <ardchoille> _michael: your personal configs are in your $HOME, usually upgrades don't touch those unless absolutely necessary
[17:20] <wightstraker> I put alsmixer through the terminal and got this: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[17:20] <wightstraker> *alsamixer
[17:20] <niels__> ubotu: !adept crash frix
[17:20] <niels__> ubotu: !adept crash fix
[17:20] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[17:21] <ardchoille> loguser1: With the increasing use of certain Linux distros, I would guess they will be around for quite some time
[17:21] <_michael> ardchoille: Thanks and I'm running off the backup kernel know if I upgrade the kernel again will it remove by current backup kernel?
[17:21] <dan__> brb ardchoille need to free up resources - thanks in advance
[17:21] <loguser1> ardchoille:  about how many years?
[17:21] <ardchoille> _michael: No, you'll ned to remove kernels manually. But, it's good to keep the last three kernels just in case, IMHO.
[17:22] <ardchoille> loguser1: No one knows the future. 10 years from now a different OS maybe gaining popularity. Who knows.
[17:23] <loguser1> hmm
[17:23] <_michael> ardchoille: Great but in the upgrade will it only upgrade the packages I have installed or will it install all the packages in the new kubuntu-desktop (for example I don't need bluetooth support so I removed it along with other things), and I would have to remove then all over again?
[17:23] <loguser1> are disrtros converatable?