[18:31] <Xpr_X0> ale__ : no errors just a long ok'ed list, which I suppose can be solved using the command you mentioned up there
[18:32] <l> Hi
[18:32] <fractal> ikonia: here is my error msg. copied and pasted directly from the dialog that popped up and ruined my whole day: Error waiting for LUKS UUID: Timed out waiting for object (udisks-error-quark, 0)
[18:32] <ducasse> GnomeKris: as said, copying takes as long as it takes. 100's of gigabytes _will_ take many hours.
[18:32] <GnomeKris> This is why I love this community...there's a solution for everything.
[18:33] <fractal> ikonia: that is all i really have to search by
[18:33] <ikonia> fractal: I appreciate thats quite limiting
[18:33] <ducasse> GnomeKris: are you blaming us for slow spinning disks?
[18:33] <ikonia> fractal: does the syslog show anything ?
[18:33] <GnomeKris> ducasse: Yes... /s
[18:33] <Xpr_X0> problem solved
[18:33] <Xpr_X0> thanks folks
[18:34] <razor1101> GnomeKris: well, the write speed has a limit. You should get a ssd if you want faster transfers
[18:34] <fractal> ikonia: can you tell me how to check? anything beyond the GUI is probably something i don't know how to do
[18:34] <fractal> :(
[18:34] <ctjctj_> GnomeKris, a couple of tissues can be used as ear plugs.  But yes, those jet engines are loud.  But it keeps your drives from burning up.
[18:34] <ikonia> fractal: there should be a text file in /var/log  have a look at that
[18:34] <GnomeKris> I'm a poor white kid from the ghetto...Not enough money for a 3tb ssd
[18:34] <fractal> k thx
[18:34] <fractal> i am going to reboot real quick brb
[18:34] <ctjctj_> GnomeKris, are you using btrfs?
[18:34] <ikonia> fractal: it won't fix anything, but may give you more info
[18:34] <Rohan_Kumar> Hi all!
[18:35] <Rohan_Kumar> I've a 64 gb pendrive which was initially formatted as exfat
[18:35] <GnomeKris> ctjctj, not that I'm aware of. Just a simple highlight, cut, paste.
[18:35] <GnomeKris> Love me some gui.
[18:35] <ikonia> ctjctj_: he's using ext4
[18:35] <Xpr_X0> ale__ : thank you. It is working
[18:36] <ale__> Xpr_X0, good to hear that :)
[18:36] <Xpr_X0> gonna take a long while though, cause I am sha1ing
[18:36] <genii> Rohan_Kumar: You might want to consider installing the package exfat-utils then
[18:36] <Xpr_X0> thanks anyways
[18:36] <ctjctj_> ikonia, *nods* if he is having disk issues and dollars issues then using btrfs with an SSD cache might give him resilience and speed.
[18:36] <ale__> Xpr_X0, you should parallelize things a bit to make it faster, but it's definitely not trivial
[18:36] <ikonia> ctjctj_: way over kill
[18:37] <Rohan_Kumar> Yes, i installed it. Everything was running smoothly
[18:37] <ikonia> ctjctj_: he's just an impatient kid copying a load of data
[18:37] <GnomeKris> screw it, while I'm doing this cp, I'll write my 16.04.1 usb
[18:37] <ikonia> GnomeKris: yeah, thats not going to help
[18:37] <Rohan_Kumar> then i did this stupid mistake by formatting it as fat32
[18:37] <ikonia> putting more i/o on the system
[18:37] <GnomeKris> ikonia: impatient...yes, kid...no.
[18:37] <ikonia> GnomeKris: I can only assume from your behaviour and comments
[18:37] <ikonia> "but I want it now now now"
[18:37] <GnomeKris> 27 my man. got three kids of my own...Yet another reason this waiting isn't going to work.
[18:38] <ikonia> an adult would understand limitations
[18:38] <ctjctj_> ikonia, *grins* good point.  Inpatient is I.   Having 15TB of spinning disk I know exactly how long it takes to replace a 3TB disk....   OUCH
[18:38] <Xpr_X0> ale__ : you mean like using all the four cores of the cpu? isn't sha1sum command using them automatically?
[18:38] <Rohan_Kumar> genii: Now when i try to access the pendrive i get : http://pastebin.ca/3667153
[18:38] <GnomeKris> See, when you assume.  I don't understand how to format it back to fat32
[18:38] <ale__> Xpr_X0, no, it shouldn't. You could easily guess by looking at the current cpu usage
[18:38] <ayoub> HI EVERYONE
[18:38] <Mishari> guys
[18:38] <Ben64> Rohan_Kumar: if you formatted it fat32, why would you try to mount it as exfat
[18:38] <ale__> Xpr_X0, if you have 4 cores you should launch 4 processes
[18:39] <Mishari> I just came here.
[18:39] <Mishari> to say
[18:39] <Mishari> I love you
[18:39] <elias_a> Oh my... problems like GnomeKris makes me feel world is going to collapse.
[18:39] <guest-pN44kG> v
[18:39] <guest-pN44kG> vv
[18:39] <guest-pN44kG> v
[18:39] <guest-pN44kG> v
[18:39] <Xpr_X0> ale__ : you mean a different sha1 command for a fraction of the files right?
[18:39] <ale__> Xpr_X0, yes
[18:39] <Rohan_Kumar> Ben64: I read somewhere on internet that fat32 are not compatible for disks > 32 gb
[18:39] <Xpr_X0> but it is going to only make thing harder to manage a bit
[18:39] <Ben64> Rohan_Kumar: not correct
[18:40] <Xpr_X0> there is simply a lot of files
[18:40] <Rohan_Kumar> Ben64: sure about that?
[18:40] <elias_a> GnomeKris: Your problems make my struggle with my inboard diesel engine a light thrill!
[18:40] <Ben64> Rohan_Kumar: yep
[18:40] <ale__> Xpr_X0, are the files distributed evenly in subfolders?
[18:40] <Xpr_X0> yes
[18:40] <OerHeks> Rohan_Kumar, you mean man 4 gb filesize on fat32
[18:40] <ale__> how many subfolders in first level?
[18:41] <Xpr_X0> 20
[18:41] <OerHeks> c/man/max
[18:41] <GnomeKris> Ha, this pc issue is simple right now. I'm taking a break from digging the fuel pump out of my infiniti and replacing it.
[18:41] <Rohan_Kumar> OerHeks: I have a 64 gb usb
[18:41] <fractal> ikonia: i am in the syslog but it is absolutely over my head
[18:41] <elias_a> GnomeKris: Now we are talking real issues!
[18:42] <Xpr_X0> I have a feeling that going classically on this thing is a bit safer ale__
[18:42] <fractal> i will keep looking though and maybe i will see something
[18:42] <fractal> :(
[18:42] <elias_a> GnomeKris: So your piece of junk gives you headache and you come here to complain? :P
[18:42] <fractal> i'll recreate the error now, and keep track of the TIME
[18:42] <genii> Rohan_Kumar: Also, looks like you're trying to mount the entire device,eg: sdb instead of a partition, like sdb1
[18:42] <fractal> that will help me isolate at least what activity i am directly responsible for i suppose
[18:42] <Xpr_X0> It is going to be over after about four hours. 170 GB of files... I am patient enough
[18:43] <Rohan_Kumar> genii: Now i formatted it to fat via executing :  sudo mkfs.vfat -n "PENDRIVE" -I /dev/sdb
[18:43] <odroid> hi everyone
[18:44] <GnomeKris> elias_a I guess I'm just having a bad day
[18:44] <genii> Rohan_Kumar: The maion problem seems to be that you are formatting the raw device instead of making a partition on it then formatting that
[18:44] <elias_a> GnomeKris: Me too. Join the club! :D
[18:44] <Rohan_Kumar> genii: when i try to open it in nautilus, i get this error: http://pastebin.ca/3667154
[18:44] <ptah> im using xchat, i couldnt get bitchx to work, cause it said no setupterm or tgetent, i tried getting those didnt work
[18:44] <GnomeKris> elias_a theres a club? where do I sign up?
[18:44] <ptah> what to do?
[18:45] <odroid> somebody could me help
[18:45] <genii> Rohan_Kumar: I reiterate again about raw device vs partition within the deveice
[18:45] <elias_a> GnomeKris: Would you know any marine diesel experts? :)
[18:45] <ale__> Xpr_X0, ls | xargs -i echo "find {} -type f -print0 | xargs -n1 -P4 -0 md5sum | tee {}.md5"
[18:45] <GnomeKris> elias_a: unfortunately, I do not.
[18:46] <odroid> I try to able to work chromium on my system but it crash I suppose the accelaration
[18:46] <Rohan_Kumar> genii: Is partitioning a pendrive a good thing? How would it be read on windows?
[18:46] <elias_a> GnomeKris: Ok. I'll continue my browsing and fault-seeking. :)
[18:47] <Pici> ptah: bitchx has been deprecated for a while now. If you want to use a cli irc client, both irssi and weechat are under active development and can be found in the repositories.
[18:47] <odroid> ah!it is too late for the partition
[18:48] <ctjctj_> ale__, what is that command suppose to do?  Wouldn't something like "find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum >/tmp/files.md5" accomplish the same thing?
[18:48] <mike-zal> help! I clicked "use default settings" in unity tweak and now there is no dock and panel! restart didn't help... terminal is working thou..
[18:49] <fractal> ikonia: i timed it down to the very minute, i see nothing relevant
[18:49] <fractal> this is where i give up and wait for things to resolve itself over the course of weeks, months, years...
[18:49] <fractal> :(
[18:50] <fractal> it's going to take smarts to figure this out,  not idiots with low IQs such as myself
[18:50] <fractal> i stand down :(
[18:50] <fractal> thanks for giving me direction though
[18:50] <Amm0n> fractal, just use cryptsetup..
[18:50] <Amm0n> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage
[18:51] <fractal> Amm0n: i was trying the graphical option at the top
[18:51] <fractal> i'd rather not mess with the command line i will ruin my system
[18:52] <fractal> i alwayys do
[18:52] <ptah> oh ok
[18:52] <ptah> i didnt know
[18:52] <ptah> been a while, xchat is what i got working
[18:52] <fractal> Amm0n: thanks though.. it's just such a sensitive operation i don't want to lose everything :/
[18:52] <fractal> that's why the gnome disk graphical utility finally made LUKS usable for me, or so i thought..
[18:53] <FlipBill> fractal, I know nothing about gnome disk utils,but I use LUKS from CLI all the time and it is very straightforward.
[18:54] <FlipBill> I'll help you set up an ecrypted drive from the shell if you are interested.
[18:54] <FlipBill> encrypted.
[18:55] <smk_> Hy
[18:55] <irregular> Hi guys, I'm trying to use openconnect to vpn somewhere, what's the difference between the Gateway and Proxy? I have the IP address of where I want to vpn and the Group name, not sure where to put it
[18:57] <jatt> irregular: openconnect -u user vpn_url should work
[18:58] <hillary> Hi all
[18:58] <jatt> irregular: it works for me with my company vpn only the username/password/vpn_url is needed
[18:59] <fractal> FlipBill: i will think about it. i was just really excited about the GUI option. does the offer still stand later? i'm due for lunch and a nap now :(
[18:59] <ea> Hey guys , How do I disable that purple loading screen in ubuntu ?
[18:59] <fractal> kinda not focused anymore
[18:59] <fractal> ea: qustion is, why would you want to?
[19:00] <fractal> it's beautiful
[19:00] <fractal> ok lunch.. i'll be back, maybe :(
[19:00] <ea> It hides what's really happening
[19:00] <irregular> jatt: is sudo required for this? I got mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/var/run/vpnc’: Permission denied
[19:00] <irregular> though I was able to connect albeit briefly
[19:01] <fractal> ea: during bootup, or the splash screen on login?
[19:01] <ea> bootup
[19:02] <fractal> ea: have you tried just pressing Esc?
[19:02] <fractal> :(
[19:02] <irregular> jatt:used sudo and it looks like I'm connect! many thanks comrade!
[19:02] <jatt> irregular: I don't use sudo but could be I configured something before
[19:02] <jatt> irregular: good to know! 😺
[19:03] <FlipBill> I don't hang out here regularly.  I'll be around for the next 3 hours.  If you understand how to do it from the CLI, then you'll probably work out the GUI issue yourself.
[19:04] <fractal> FlipBill: i do appreciate the offer, thank you.
[19:04] <fractal> not sure which direction i want to go yet at this point :(
[19:04] <ptah> somebody tell obama to bring back heat online mmo race game!
[19:05] <fractal> i try to avoid the CLI like it's trying to kill me... and it usually has, well not me particularly, but my installation
[19:06] <fractal> i need a good focusing agent before i touch the command line... like adderall or ritalin
[19:06] <fractal> otherwise i derp everything to smithereens
[19:06] <fractal> :(
[19:08] <FlipBill> fractal, whatever you like fractal.
[19:12] <Rohan_Kumar> genii: I partitioned my pendrive into two disks.
[19:13] <Rohan_Kumar> Now one mounts and other doesn't.
[19:14] <FlipBill> Rohan_Kumar, did you mkfs in both partitions?
[19:14] <loop> When's dinner?
[19:14] <Rohan_Kumar> FlipBill: Yes
[19:15] <Rohan_Kumar> I get this error : http://pastebin.ca/3667165
[19:16] <FlipBill> Can you just try mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt ?
[19:17] <Rohan_Kumar> FlipBill: Yes, doing it ...
[19:18] <Rohan_Kumar> FlipBill: http://pastebin.ca/3667167
[19:18] <Rohan_Kumar> getting this now..
[19:19] <FlipBill> Hmm.. how did you mkfs that drive?
[19:19] <rangergord> Hi. I'm trying to install a python library using pip. It fails cause it has a build step which, in Ubuntu 14.04, required python3-dev. I'm now on a brand-new 16.04, and if I try to apt-get install python3-dev, I get "The following packages have unmet dependencies: python3-dev : Depends: libpython3-dev (= 3.5.1-3) but it is not going to be installed. Depends: python3.5-dev (>= 3.5.1-2~) but it
[19:19] <rangergord> is not going to be installed. ". Should I be reporting a bug to the maintainers?
[19:19] <ctjctj_> Rohan_Kumar, what does blkid /dev/sb2 say?
[19:19] <guest-pN44kG> llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[19:20] <rangergord> or is this something local
[19:20] <Rohan_Kumar> It just gives nothing
[19:21] <ctjctj_> Rohan_Kumar, try with sudo but that implies to me that the mkfs did not take place.  But I don't use MS filesystems so could be wrong
[19:21] <ctjctj_> Sorry, that should have been blkid /dev/sdb2
[19:21] <ctjctj_> Left out the "d" the first time
[19:21] <Rohan_Kumar> ctjctj_:a fsck on the disk gives : http://pastebin.ca/3667169
[19:22] <ctjctj_> I would expect that.  blkid will identify the UUID and filesystem type of some (most,all) block special devices.
[19:23] <FlipBill> There is apparent confusion about the type of FS in the partition.
[19:23] <FlipBill> fsck assumes ext2, earlier commands tried to operate as if it is exfat via FUSE.
[19:24] <FlipBill> What is your intention?  What type of FS do you want to have?
[19:24] <Rohan_Kumar> FlipBill: Initially when i bought it today it was exfat, then i formatted it to fat, then ext2, then partitioned my usb and two fat32 partitions
[19:24] <ctjctj_> Rohan_Kumar, what FlipBill is saying.  blkid might help us to know what the drive/partition thinks its filesystem is.
[19:24] <Pici> rangergord: can you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libpython3-dev python3-dev python3.5-dev  please?
[19:25] <ctjctj_> Rohan_Kumar, partitioning a drive as "fat32" does not place a fat32 filesystem on that partition.  It just lets boot loaders know what to expect on that partition.
[19:25] <FlipBill> Rohan_Kumar, did you use a mkfs command of some kind?
[19:26] <ctjctj_> FlipBill, he reported that he did it on the full drive before he created the partition.
[19:26] <Rohan_Kumar> FlipBill: I tried mkfs.exfat earlier
[19:26] <Rohan_Kumar> like this: sudo mkfs.exfat -n "PENDRIVE"  /dev/sdb
[19:26] <FlipBill> ctjctj_, Ah yes, I see confirmend.
[19:27]  * Rohan_Kumar did it when it was not partitioned
[19:27] <FlipBill> Rohan_Kumar, that's your problem.
[19:27] <ctjctj_> Rohan_Kumar, did you "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1" or "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb2"?
[19:27] <FlipBill> you formatted the drive extent, not the partition.
[19:27] <ctjctj_> FlipBill, I concur.
[19:27] <Rohan_Kumar> ctjctj_: Yes i did that after partitioning
[19:27] <ctjctj_> vfat could be fat
[19:28] <rangergord> Pici: sorry, I was away trying stuff. I fixed it, I had to install the latest Security/Recommended updates. apt-get update + upgrade showed no results, but that's because I had Security and Recommended unchecked in Software Updater.
[19:28] <FlipBill> Rohan_Kumar, it would likely have formatted it in such a way that the first partition is marked as occupying the entire drive.
[19:28] <FlipBill> That could get messy.
[19:28] <FlipBill> You need to start over and issue a mkfs for each partition inividually.
[19:28] <Rohan_Kumar> FlipBill: hmm
[19:29] <FlipBill> see the commands ctjctj_ gave you above.
[19:29] <alkisg> Rohan_Kumar: if you run mkfs /dev/sdb, you destroy the partition table, so there's no sdb1 or sdb2 anymore, you need to create a new partition table
[19:29] <Pici> rangergord: yeah, I had a feeling it was some sort of repository issue, glad you got it worked out.
[19:30] <FlipBill> alkisg, thaks, I neglected to mentioned that.
[19:30] <FlipBill> Start with fdisk, then do the two mkfs.vfat commands.
[19:30] <alkisg> :)
[19:31] <Rohan_Kumar> FlipBill: I did the fdisk part before..
[19:32] <alkisg> First fdisk, then mkfs /dev/sdb ==> it destroys the results of fdisk, it's like you didn't do it at all
[20:07] <gustavo_> blood strike
[20:07] <gustavo_> xcloudgames
[20:08] <gustavo_> oi
[20:08] <k1l> !ot
[20:08] <Krenair> I've got Ubuntu 14.04 running in VirtualBox, tried installing the guest additions. But after reboot, my user doesn't show on the login screen
[20:08] <Krenair> If I drop to interactive console I can log in as the user
[20:08] <Krenair> I've tried moving .Xauthority and .profile
[20:08] <Krenair> The only user showing on the login screen is the guest session
[20:09] <gustavo_> help-me please
[20:09] <Krenair> restarting lightdm
[20:09] <Krenair> also doesn't help
[20:09] <gustavo_> i`m kill
[20:09] <gustavo_> i am troller
[20:10] <otsoaunloco> How do I determine the format of an archive? It has no extension and I don't remember 7
[20:10] <otsoaunloco> I don't remember how it was compressed*
[20:10] <EriC^^> otsoaunloco: try "file /path/to/file"
[20:11] <genii> otsoaunloco: The command called "file" may be able to know. eg: file name-of-archive
[20:12] <otsoaunloco> Thanks! It works indeed
[20:16] <Kikko_958> Hi Styk
[20:32]  * ptah sees everyone idle
[20:33] <Bashing-om> ptah: ^^ Then all is well in the 'buntu world :)
[20:34] <ptah> heh
[20:36] <k1l> ptah: for regular chat we do have #ubuntu-offtopic . a silent technical support channel is a good sign :)
[20:37] <TurboKraken> !controller
[20:38] <TurboKraken> Anyone have a resource for usb/bluetooth controllers. I'm looking to for StealSeries Stratus in particular but any information is helpful. I am running Ubuntu 16.04.
[20:40] <ivona> #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet
[20:40] <ivona> #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet
[20:40] <ivona> #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet
[20:40] <ivona> #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet
[20:40] <dimensia_> hello
[20:40] -ARIADNA:#ubuntu- #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet
[20:40] -ARIADNA:#ubuntu- #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet #wrongplanet
[20:41] <dimensia_> what is wrong planet
[20:41] <DalekSec> dimensia_: Spam, just ignore it fornow.
[20:41] <dimensia_> alright
[20:45] <FManTropyx> is being on this channel why I get flooded by bots about that?
[20:46] <dax> they're doing it in a tonne of channels
[20:46] <k1l> FManTropyx: the kiddies do spam all big channels on this network.
[20:46] <dax> if it's private spam (not channel spam), umode +R tends to help (PMs from registered users only)
[20:47] <FManTropyx> tnx
[20:49] <spectro88> hi
[20:49] <spectro88> ?
[20:53] <Melioo> I wish linux was the first os i ever learned
[20:53] <Melioo> Cause then ibwouldnt have ever touched windows
[20:53] <Melioo> And companies wouldnt ask me of i knew how to SSH
[20:54] <Melioo> Lol
[20:54] <DArqueBishop> Melioo: it's never too late to learn.
[20:55] <Melioo> And i do
[20:55] <Melioo> But im ao adhd ots hard to remember everything I learn
[20:55] <Melioo> I memeorized dos like a champ
[20:55] <Melioo> Helped with bad routers from the 90s
[20:56] <Melioo> Lol
[21:10] <TurboKraken> Anyone have a resource for usb/bluetooth controllers. I'm looking to for StealSeries Stratus in particular but any information is helpful. I am running Ubuntu 16.04.
[21:13] <ptah> TurboKraken, nobody answered u yet?
[21:13] <ptah> this is second time
[21:13] <ptah> sorry idk
[21:15] <TurboKraken> ptah: Yeah, I was just double checking after the spammer came in here.
[21:15] <TurboKraken> ptah: Yeah, no one has answered.***
[21:15] <ptah> im using ubuntu 8.04, my youtube works, but facebook and instagram videos dont work
[21:15] <ptah> i have firefox14
[21:16] <ptah> what do i need?
[21:16] <Sebastien> why would you use a ubuntu THAT old
[21:16] <ptah> cause
[21:16] <ptah> there is a reason
[21:16] <bprompt> ptah:   we're listening
[21:16] <Sebastien> you will not get support from this. the date is: May 9, 2013
[21:17] <Sebastien> but you can still tell us what you tried, and where it didn't work
[21:17] <BluJay> Hi guys
[21:17] <ptah> i have a mini dell laptop
[21:17] <ptah> already had ubuntu here
[21:17] <ptah> trying to get it to work
[21:17] <holmser> if you want to use an out of daye version of linux might I suggest centos?
[21:17] <Sebastien> or puppylinux if it has anything to do with size
[21:17] <BluJay> If you don't arch is great
[21:18] <Ryad> hello
[21:18] <BluJay> Although it is a pain in the donkey to set up
[21:18] <bprompt> ptah:     if the browsers are too outdated, chances are, many or most sites won't work, that includes flash videos or other codecs types, since legacy code may not be there, or worth the hassle, depending on the feature
[21:18] <k1l> ptah: the oldest ubuntu still in support is 12.04. older than that is not supported and has massive security issues. if you have slow and old hardware look at Lubuntu
[21:18] <ptah> im in a mini laptop for fun
[21:18] <ptah> lol
[21:19] <Ryad> Im running ubuntu on a dell latitude d630.
[21:19] <ptah> most things work, sucks that linux doesnt support mmo games
[21:19] <ubone> ubuntu net install is best for low end hw
[21:19] <ptah> where are the mmo games?
[21:20] <ptah> :)
[21:20] <ptah> did any of you play mmo race games?
[21:21] <peppa> The flash issue in linux is annoying
[21:21] <k1l> that talk better suits into #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:21] <k1l> peppa: what flash issue?
[21:21] <ptah> ok
[21:22] <bugworm> I am using Ubuntu for many years, on many different machines now. And i love it. Now with a new batch of machines, i am running into issues with the rotation sensors. I already know that this sensors have no standards, and its most of the time a "specific" workaround for that. Is there any group of people trying to improve this situation ? Eg. making a graphical interface, that 1. detects if your sensor is supported in some way,
[21:22] <bugworm> 2. let you rotate the screen with a custom key command and 3. let you decide what to deactivate according to your screen rotation ? eg. Keyboard or Trackpad ?
[21:23] <peppa> It does not run on certain websites that require the newest version of flash.
[21:24] <peppa> I tried pepperflash
[21:24] <e-vent> Anyone able to help with a small bash script issue?
[21:24] <k1l> peppa: are you sure its not a malware tricking users into loading their malware software? because that is a known issue on a lot of warez sites
[21:24] <MonkeyDust> e-vent  there's also #bash
[21:24] <e-vent> Why does this work: "if [ Something ] || [ Somethingelse ]" but if [ Something || Somethingelse ] doesn't.
[21:25] <e-vent> The former triggers on any content
[21:25] <e-vent> latter even*
[21:25] <peppa> The sit I am specifically having an issue with is xfinity tv so I don't think so
[21:25] <peppa> site*
[21:26] <\9> e-vent: because [ is actually a program
[21:26] <\9> e-vent: and || is a bash language construct
[21:26] <e-vent> What is the latter actually doing?
[21:26] <e-vent> Logically?
[21:27] <\9> "[ Something" or "Somethingelse ]"
[21:27] <\9> i think you can use double brackets [[]] to get around this?
[21:27] <\9> since it's an actual language construct unlike [
[21:28] <\9> and when i say it's a program, there literally is a /usr/bin/[
[21:28] <k1l> peppa: it works in chrome. so you need to tell them to unlock the regular linux flash version
[21:28] <e-vent> I'd search for it myself
[21:28] <e-vent> but I literally have no idea what to google
[21:29] <e-vent> Ok I see its like test?
[21:29] <e-vent> But surely that logically still would do what I expect
[21:29] <\9> http://serverfault.com/questions/52034/what-is-the-difference-between-double-and-single-square-brackets-in-bash
[21:30] <peppa> running chromium but I will download latest chrome and try I guess. thx
[21:30] <e-vent> I get that [ is a program
[21:30] <\9> well the thing is that if you use [, the || takes lesser precedence over the brackets
[21:30] <\9> [ supports -o for a logical or
[21:31] <e-vent> but if I say to test, IS "FOO" "BAR" OR "BAR1"
[21:31] <e-vent> how is it saying yes?
[21:32] <\9> e-vent: i can't tell since i don't know your use case
[21:34] <bprompt> e-vent:   one may note, there's a #bash  :)
[21:34] <e-vent> Yeah
[21:34] <e-vent> I'll ask em
[21:34] <e-vent> \9, in effect
[21:34] <e-vent> I am just comparing two strings
[21:35] <e-vent> So literally like FOO and BAR OR BAR1
[21:35] <bprompt> e-vent:     I do js, and the || would on that case, seems to do a logical check, to default to the latter, like js would, but in bash, as \9  said, I think you need to use the -o for that in the brackets
[21:35] <\9> we figured as much but the question is why is it doing that
[21:36] <e-vent> I fixed it by having two sets of brackets and conditions with the OR between em
[21:36] <e-vent> but I#m asking #bash now
[21:42] <peppa> tried chrome. does not work. thx for the suggestion though.
[21:46] <bprompt> peppa:   got url, so we can check?
[21:53] <peppa> xfinitytv.comcast.net
[21:53] <e-vent> Unrelated
[21:54] <e-vent> Will PPP automatically reconnect via the modem if the line goes down and back up
[21:54] <e-vent> or do I need to restart the machine / service?
[21:55] <peppa> oddly enough one show works. but everything else does not. technology throws me for a loop sometimes. thx for the help tho.
[21:57] <Asher128> Hi guys! Do you know the advantage of MooseFS over LizardFS?
[22:06] <Kikko_958> good bye
[22:10] <a2si> test
[22:18] <curlyears> is we is or is we ain't?
[22:20] <geirha> curlyears: Is this somehow related to the Ubuntu operating system?
[22:20] <curlyears> geirha:  just saying hello...
[22:20] <ken_> how to remove libreoffice
[22:21] <curlyears> ken_  you can probably remove ity trhough the Ubuntu Software Center
[22:21] <ken_> is there a command
[22:22] <ken_> beacause that is the long way
[22:22] <k1l> ken_: sudo apt remove libreoffice
[22:22] <ken_> thanks
[22:23] <zerowaitstate> after that you may have to do "sudo apt autoremove" because libreoffice may be a metapackage
[22:24] <geirha> an it might remove more than you bargained for
[22:24] <ken_> it did not work
[22:24] <k1l> ken_: what was the output?
[22:24] <k1l> ken_: put it into paste.ubuntu.com and show the url here
[22:26] <ken_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21203334/
[22:26] <k1l> ken_: missing an "e" at the end
[22:26] <zerowaitstate> lol, forgot the "e" at the end
[22:27] <k1l> ken_: use the tab key to complete the package names
[22:28] <ken_> how to remove libreoffice
[22:28] <k1l> ken_: its still the same answer. just make sure you dont make a typo
[22:28] <ken_> yes
[22:32] <ken_> how to remove libreoffice
[22:32] <curlyears> ken_:  it's been explained to you, d00d.
 ken_: sudo apt remove libreoffice
[22:33] <vook> ken_: try again. You should always try more than once
[22:36] <ken_> sudo] password for ken:
[22:36] <ken_> Reading package lists... Done
[22:36] <ken_> Building dependency tree
[22:36] <ken_> Reading state information... Done
[22:36] <ken_> Package 'libreoffice' is not installed, so not removed
[22:36] <ken_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:37] <ken_> Package 'libreoffice' is not installed, so not removed
[22:37] <ken_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:37] <ken_> ken@ken-Presario-CQ57-Notebook-PC:~$ sudo apt remove libreoffice
[22:37] <ken_> Reading package lists... Done
[22:37] <ken_> Building dependency tree
[22:37] <ken_> Reading state information... Done
[22:37] <packetswitcher> unrelated question: is there a place where I can learn IRC.. i'm kinda new and i'm lost. video tutorials would be better if you know any
[22:38] <curlyears> I am unaware of any.  Just read the docs, it is pretty straight forward unless you are planning to run your own server./
[22:38] <k1l> ken_: remove "libreoffice-core" too
[22:38] <ken_> ken@ken-Presario-CQ57-Notebook-PC:~$ sudo apt remove libreoffice
[22:38] <ken_> Reading package lists... Done
[22:38] <ken_> Building dependency tree
[22:38] <ken_> Reading state information... Done
[22:38] <ken_> Package 'libreoffice' is not installed, so not removed
[22:38] <ken_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:38] <k1l> ken_: stop pasting the same output over and over again
[22:39] <curlyears> K1l:  did you see the URL I piosted here describing the weird problems I was having?
[22:40] <packetswitcher> the docs are confusing for me, that's why i wanted video tutorials.. i've joined the channel here a few days ago and it's great.. but I feel like the most stupid one in the room..
[22:40] <k1l> no
[22:41] <k1l> packetswitcher: what do you need to know?
[22:42] <curlyears> k1l:  it turns out the problem I was having was due to, er "inconsistencies" in the code  of the "Hybrid EUFI" Award BIOS on this motherboard.  No wonder you guys were unable to successfully debug it with me.  The guy who wrote the article I found spent a very long time debugging and analyzing the probllem.
[22:42] <packetswitcher> this is the (unknown unknown) problem.. i need to know everything from zero.. i don't wanna bug you here since it's not related but I don't know where to start
[22:43] <curlyears> it turns out that basicly, while it IS possible to use > 2TB drives with this motherboard, it is quite trickty and probably not worth the effort.  I probably ought to get a different motherboard
[22:44] <k1l> packetswitcher: well, you could join #ubuntu-offtopic to chat and look here if you can help some people or ask if you need help. learning by doing. irc is not that difficult :)
[22:44] <ken_> why is isp said linux is virus
[22:44] <squinty> packetswitcher, tried youtube?  using "xchat tutorial" as search terms returns quite a number of hits.
[22:44] <k1l> ken_: this is the technical ubuntu support.
[22:45] <ken_> ok
[22:45] <alesan> how can I tell ubuntu to only use <IP_ADDRESS> as DNS and not to use an internal one or one provided by DHCP? command line please
[22:45] <alesan> meaning, not through GUI packages that depend on the fact one has ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu etc
[22:46] <alesan> I'd assume there is such setting in the configuration files
[22:46] <curlyears> http://www.rodsbooks.com/gb-hybrid-efi/   <  k1l:  if you're interested, there isd a link tyo the article.  It'd be interesting to hear your take on it.
[22:47] <k1l> curlyears: well, i am not too much into the uefi stuff. but often manufacturers fix some things with bios updates.
[22:48] <CodeMouse92> On Ubuntu 16.04, using the default Nautilus file browser. When I right-click a file and go to "open with...", the submenu jumps back and forth. (Dual monitors, but never had this before today)
[22:48] <curlyears> K1l:  yeah, well, the most recent update for this BIOS is dated 2013.  :)
[22:48] <curlyears> :(
[22:48] <bulle> now when 16.04.1 is released, shouldnt i see an upgrade alternative on a 14.04 lts machine ?
[22:49] <k1l> !ltsupgrade | bulle
[22:49] <bulle> k1l: ah, thanks, just have to wait a bit longer then.
[22:49] <curlyears> k1l:  do you think it is worth doing a !ltsupgrade if one has recently installed the earlier 16.04?
[22:50] <k1l> curlyears: if you installed the 16.04 you will get 16.04.1 anyway.
[22:51] <curlyears> K1l:   ah, OK.  I wasn't quite clear on that point.
[22:54] <Ntemis> help me remove some annoying ppa after upgrade to xenial please
[22:54] <Ben64> !ppa-purge | Ntemis
[22:55] <Ntemis> doesnt work
[22:55] <bulle> IDW!
[22:55] <Ntemis> W: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/pidgin-developers/ppa/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
[22:55] <Ntemis> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/pidgin-developers/ppa/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[22:56] <Ntemis> ppa purge doesnt work
[22:56] <Ben64> elaborate
[22:56] <Ntemis> but shouldnt i start clean after upgrade
[22:56] <Ntemis> Ben64: http://pastebin.com/9CACzK3d
[22:57] <k1l> Ntemis: did you reactivated it after the ubuntu upgrade?
[22:57] <Ntemis> nope
[22:57] <Ntemis> it was always there
[22:57] <Ntemis> but shouldnt i start clean after upgrade
[22:58] <k1l> please run "grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999" in terminal and show the output here
[22:58] <Bashing-om> Ntemis: That PPA does not support xenial : http://ppa.launchpad.net/pidgin-developers/ppa/ubuntu/dists .
[22:58] <Ntemis> aha
[22:58] <Ntemis> but shouldnt i start clean after upgrade
[22:58] <Ntemis> again
[22:58] <n1md4> hi.   i have network manager set such that it's only dhcp for IP, and have manually set dns.  but the dns setting appears to be ignored - tested against dnsleak test.  it has an entry for localhost in resolv.conf, but by manually editing it, with the dns server i have set in settings, only then does it work.
[22:58] <n1md4> any ideas there?
[22:58] <k1l> Ntemis: we need to get some facts, so please show the outputurl
[22:59] <Ntemis> k1l: http://termbin.com/l5k2
[22:59] <bulle>  http://termbin.com/l5k2
[23:00] <k1l> Ntemis: well, you activated that ppa again. it was for sure deactivated after the upgrade.
[23:00] <Ntemis> can anyone give me a clean /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ so i can move on with my life?
[23:00] <Ntemis> i did? O.o
[23:00] <owen1> how to install adobe-flashplugin from the terminal? (ubuntu 15.10)
[23:01] <k1l> Ntemis: you can just remove the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pidgin-ppa.list files
[23:02] <Ntemis> thanks k1l
[23:02] <k1l> Ntemis: or you should contact the evolve os support. since that PPA make it a none ubuntu anymore
[23:02] <Intee> Morning all.
[23:02] <owen1> how to add flash to chromium-browser but using the terminal?
[23:03] <Ntemis> lovely k1l sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pidgin-ppa* fixed it thanks
[23:03] <Bashing-om> owen1: Try : ' sudo apt install flashplugin-installer ' .
[23:04] <Intee> Where abouts can a man get the 64 bit version of liblua5.2 from?
[23:04] <owen1> Bashing-om: thanks!
[23:04] <Bashing-om> owen1: Does not chromium use peper flash rather than Adobie ?
[23:04] <owen1> i have no idea
[23:04] <owen1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Partner-Flash
[23:04] <k1l> Bashing-om: chrome does
[23:05] <genii> !info liblua5.2-0
[23:05] <genii> hm
[23:05] <Intee> Thats an awesome bot!
[23:06] <Intee> I have installed liblua5.2 and -dev and they both installed without errors (As far as I know) but system still can't find it apparently.
[23:07] <owen1> k1l: so i should use this?
[23:08] <k1l> you could use it with chromium. but the standard is the flashplugin installer
[23:09] <owen1> k1l: how do i install flashplugin installer from the terminal?
[23:10] <rwsoft1> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[23:13] <owen1> rwsoft1: thanks
[23:18] <rwsoft1> owen1: no worries ;)
[23:27] <R13ose> My desktop for KDE in Ubuntu is all black and this is not the image I picked for some reason. How do I fix this?
[23:43] <devan> Hey all!
[23:44] <weblwabl> I have an .sh file i am trying to change the permissions on, chmod -x still wont allow me to execute the file
[23:44] <weblwabl> was wondering what the issue may be
[23:44] <orlock> weblwabl: Running it with the correct part? thats the error?
[23:44] <YankDownUnder> weblwabl: sudo chmod +x filename.sh ?
[23:44] <Ben64> weblwabl: chmod +x, not -x
[23:44] <weblwabl> shit lol
[23:44] <weblwabl> thank you
[23:48] <R13ose> any thoughts on my question?
[23:49] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: Black? No image whatsoever?
[23:49] <R13ose> YankDownUnder: yes Black, and no image
[23:50] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: Have you restarted Plasma? As well - since I'm not familiar with what you're using, what version of Ubuntu and what version of Plasma/KDE are you using?
[23:52] <R13ose> YankDownUnder: I rebooted the machine and I got a black desktop.  I am using Ubuntu 16.04 and KDE Plasma Version: 5.6.5
[23:52] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: Right oh...and what happens when you attempt to change the desktop wallpaper to something else...?
[23:53] <R13ose> YankDownUnder: oh, this was a black background for some reason.  It is better now.  Thanks.
[23:54] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: Sometimes Plasma "sticks" or gets "stuck" as it were...hmm...
[23:54] <R13ose> YankDownUnder: how to fix that?
[23:56] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: For *me*, what I ended up doing was blowing out all of the "plasma" related "crap" in my ~./config and ~./local/share and ~./kde directories - upgrading Plasma via "backports" PPA's and re-configuring my entire KDE/Plasma desktop as per my liking...but again, that was *my* resolution to the issue.
[23:58] <R13ose> YankDownUnder: since I am not  on 5.7.2, how do I upgrade to that?
[23:59] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: I'm on 5.6.5 - stable...I'll wait for the 5.7.2 stuff...


[09:25] <rmg51> Morning
[11:51] <icey> ahoy
[12:10] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[13:25] <lazyPower> \o


[06:06] <Fabzgy> har - fresh installed lubuntu but chromium won t start
[06:06] <Fabzgy> any suggestion?
[06:10] <bioterror> open it from terminal
[06:10] <bioterror> it should inform the problem
[06:34] <Fabzgy> now i can start chromium as root
[06:40] <Fabzgy> got the problem - permission not allowed for user
[12:06] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[12:07] <kosaidpo> anyone kno any app to alet you afte a certain time ??
[12:11] <szczur> kosaidpo, kteatime
[12:11] <kosaidpo> szczur: okies thanks
[12:11] <kosaidpo> ill try it
[12:15] <kosaidpo> szczur: it ll install 50 mg and use 205 after install WOW
[12:15] <kosaidpo> anythin lighter ??
[12:15] <szczur> ohhh
[12:16] <kosaidpo> KDE app are way ressource hangry they ll eat up my ram :P
[12:16] <kosaidpo> i tried to make a simple scipt with zenity  but icudt figued it out :P
[12:18] <kosaidpo> szczur: installin gnotime
[12:18] <kosaidpo> its smaller tho ill try it n let you kno
[12:19] <szczur> kosaidpo, gnotime is something tottaly different
[12:19] <kosaidpo> ohh
[12:19] <szczur> http://gttr.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[12:19] <kosaidpo> i put in google trac time :P
[12:22] <kosaidpo> szczur: wht abt gdesklets
[12:22] <szczur> never used them
[12:22] <kosaidpo> oh okies thanks tho
[12:22] <kosaidpo> im still here if u ill let you kno
[12:23] <kosaidpo> btw i wann give a try to archlinux  is it possible to put in thewindows place ??
[12:38] <szczur> damn, here's even firefox plugin https://addons.mozilla.org/af/firefox/addon/7472/
[12:38] <szczur> but no decent GTK appliacation
[12:38] <szczur> except the tea timer gnome panel applet
[12:39] <szczur> which lxpanel can't use
[12:39] <kosaidpo> szczur: too bad i use moslty chromuim but THANKS a lot i found this
[12:39] <kosaidpo> http://urukrama.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/a-simple-timer/
[12:40] <kosaidpo> its simple no stuff to install : D
[12:40] <szczur> nice
[12:40] <szczur> ^^
[12:40] <szczur> :)
[12:40]  * szczur saves
[12:40] <Yorvyk> What about the alarm-clock-applet by hyperair
[12:41] <kosaidpo> guys i gtg pray now ill brb n thanks all
[13:27] <audio> Hi, Is anyone good with re-enabling audio devices?  Last week I removed aqualung and applied outstanding updates.  Today I try to record using Audacity and the function no longer works.  I've checked in alsamixer and the devices are active.  PCM is active but adjusting its level does not change the sound output.
[13:27] <audio> I re-installed aqualung but no success.
[13:27] <audio> It seems something is a problem with the mixer selections.
[13:27] <audio> I cannot record even using the command line with SoX.
[13:30] <audio> Playing works fine its just recording that is the issue.
[13:36] <Yorvyk> How are you trying to record? Microphone? Did this work prior to removing aqualung?
[13:40] <audio> Yes It worked fine, I record quite often via the web browser to Audacity.  Never via a microphone.
[13:41] <audio> Mainly streams from BBC.
[13:45] <Yorvyk> audio, can you hear the stream OK
[13:46] <audio> Yorvyk: Yes playing is not a problem.
[13:47] <Yorvyk> so what do you do to record
[13:48] <audio> Yorvyk: Start the stream, monitor it's levels in audacity, begin the recording function in Audacity.
[13:49] <audio> I have tried each different recording device but none now work.
[13:49] <audio> The same with SoX they never obtain an input.
[13:51] <audio> I suspect the PCM device/setting is somehow involved as it no longer changes the output level when the slider level is altered.
[13:53] <audio> I do not know fully what was updated when the updates were applied simply too many MBs to check and remember.  But the last successful recording was made before installing them.
[14:02] <Yorvyk> audio, you’ve checked nothing is muted
[14:05] <audio> Yorvyk: Yes, If you refer earlier in the conversation I mentioned that I had checked the mixer via alsamixer.  It's the only place that would prevent input to both Audacity and SoX.
[14:06] <audio> It is also where the slider control for PCM + others is located.
[14:07] <audio> If you want to see it on your system open a terminal and enter alsamixer.
[14:11] <audio> There is alsamixergui in the repo for this but the terminal access is built in without installing it.
[14:15] <Yorvyk> I was looking at alsamixer
[14:16] <Yorvyk> and I can’t record either :(
[14:17] <audio> I'm wondering if it was something in the kernel update?
[14:18] <Yorvyk> which version are you using 10.10
[14:19] <audio> Yorvyk: Yes 10.10
[14:43] <synnema> :) L ubuntu
[14:43] <synnema> hi there
[15:01] <audio> OK - audio input is now working to Audacity and the alsamixer PCM slider adjusts the output level.
[15:02] <audio> The machine was rebooted using kernel 2.6.35-22-generic.
[15:03] <audio> Audacity was then set to record via hw:0,0 rather than default and recording came back to life.
[15:04] <synnema> and pulse?
[15:04] <synnema> is it usable?
[15:04] <audio> How to check?
[15:04] <synnema> you go on lubuntu?
[15:05] <audio> Yes 10.10
[15:05] <synnema> :)
[15:05] <synnema> me too
[15:05] <synnema> second week
[15:06] <audio> I rebooted again using kernel 2.6.35-23-generic and the issue no longer is present with this kernel version either.
[15:06] <synnema> audacity after propper medibuntu intact to sources.list -- do you have medibuntu upgraded sources.list?
[15:07] <synnema> audacity maybe can change it to pulse, .. i go for it to check it
[15:07] <audio> I only use Audacity from main repo.
[15:08] <synnema> ok
[15:08] <audio> But the problem was also present when trying to use SoX, so I think it is not an Audacity issue.
[15:08] <synnema> ok, hm ...
[15:09] <audio> Using the previous kernel seemed to 'unlock' the problem and it has cleared it on the current kernel also.
[15:11] <synnema> maybe you should just do backup od the kernel file, .. is it possible?
[15:11] <synnema> or files
[15:11] <synnema> because there can be impacted dependency, or something like this
[15:12] <synnema> and try SoX ones more ?
[15:14] <audio> It was definitely an lubuntu problem as I have two further distro's on this machine and they were both able to record when lubuntu was unable to.  I suspect the lubuntu updates applied last week to be the source of the problem but I have no absolute proof.
[15:15] <synnema> lubuntu 10.10 is very fresh after beta-release, .. => second idea is -- let it be a fue days
[15:16] <synnema> and than do update/upgrade :)
[15:20] <leszek> hi
[15:31] <synnema> Permission denied - that is my problem on ircd-hybrid as well .. do you know, if that can be caused by wrong permitions on ircd files
[15:31] <synnema> or folders
[15:33] <synnema> Error: Couldn't save configuration file: Permission denied
[15:33] <synnema> that is what i mean
[15:40] <nirazio> It seems that the four main desktop environments are GNOME, KDE, XFCE and LXDE. While Kubuntu and Xubuntu are officially recognized by Ubuntu, Lubuntu is not. What is that so?
[15:41] <bioterror> becouse Lubuntu is so new
[15:41] <synnema> aha
[15:41] <bioterror> not fully functioning etc
[15:42] <synnema> :) probably, .. i have problems with permissions on it
[15:42] <nirazio> When it will be recognized by ubuntu??
[15:42] <synnema> but first feel is very good
[15:43] <synnema> we will see, .. what we can say? :)
[15:43] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu#History
[15:44] <bioterror> Get:1 http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/main nvidia-common i386 0.2.26 [11.5 kB]
[15:44] <bioterror> that works!
[15:44] <bioterror> was broken in the morning
[16:16] <phillw> bioterror: how was the concert?
[16:32] <bioterror> phillw, awesome ;)
[16:50] <Guest68076> hi
[17:14] <fabzgy> hi there - could so tell me which program is used in lubuntu to manage PGP Keys?
[17:15]  * fabzgy is trying to teach Sylpheed secure E-Mailing
[17:53] <hosoka> I need assistance how to get my sound volume to the maximum. I can see all is in the maximum on the sound icon but think the sound is too low.
[18:38] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[18:39] <kosaidpo> the sleep cmmd uses seconds and me iwana use minutes in this script that i found on thr web
[18:39] <kosaidpo> http://pastebin.com/A7iczx7Z
[18:39] <kosaidpo> i added *3600 to the var wait but it didnt work
[18:39] <kosaidpo> and even to sleep
[18:53] <kosaidpo> solved it im  cluless at shel i guess i shud read some tho
[19:15] <GaryD> gilir: have any ideas on how to make lxdmconf work right?
[19:16] <GaryD> or anyone for that matter?
[19:17] <gilir> GaryD, no, you should report a bug
[19:17] <GaryD> word
[19:18] <gilir> but most likely, lxdmconf will not have any improvements/fixes in the near futur
[19:18] <GaryD> why is that? it seems like a great addition to lxde. many people will benefit from it. especially those users who are used to having a gui for everything.
[19:19] <GaryD> the only problem i see with it is that it will not run as root. it has to do with the environment variables. i got it to run with gksu -k but it still won't save hte changes.
[19:24] <GaryD> i myself believe that the lxde control center is one of the best ideas for lxde so far. i plan on collecting old computers and loading lxde and some kids' games on them. i want to give them to families who have kids who don't have any access to getting a computer. a control center for the parents would be awesome.
[19:33] <gilir> we will probably switch from lxdm to lighdm, so the effort on this GUI is quite low for now (priority are elsewhere)
[19:34] <kosaidpo_is_away> hello guys
[19:34] <kosaidpo_is_away> im still strunglin with this script
[19:34] <kosaidpo_is_away> iwant it ot worok in minutes so i modified it but still not workin http://pastebin.com/evvj7eXC
[19:35] <GaryD> does lightdm have a config gui?
[19:35] <GaryD> also, why the switch?
[19:35] <kosaidpo_is_away> hello GaryD can you help me please
[19:36] <GaryD> i will try...
[19:36] <kosaidpo_is_away> http://pastebin.com/evvj7eXC this script the sleep cmmd work in secondes so iadded that to make it in minutes but it doesnt work
[19:38] <GaryD> this is beyond my skills friend, i do not understand any of that.....sorry....what kind of script is that? and what are you trying to do?
[19:39] <kosaidpo_is_away> GaryD: well i found it on the net you give it a time and it ll reminde you when that time ends but the time is in seconds so me i added 3600 so it ll be in minutes but it doesnt work and its shell using zenity
[19:40] <GaryD> the only thing you changed was the seconds?
[19:41] <kosaidpo_is_away> yeshh
[19:41] <kosaidpo_is_away> in the first when i add 1 it takes it as 1 second but i added 3600 so it ll be a minute but it doesnt work now :P
[19:42] <GaryD> one minute is 60 seconds...3600 seconds is 60 minutes
[19:43] <kosaidpo> Grrrrrrrr
[19:43] <kosaidpo> oh my bad
[19:43] <GaryD> try 60 seconds and see if it works.
[19:43] <kosaidpo> yeh it ll
[19:43] <kosaidpo> well its wokin but for an hour me i tho its a minute and it didnt remind me so i assume it not wokin
[19:44] <GaryD> lol....stuff happens...
[19:44] <kosaidpo> thanks catchin eyes GaryD
[19:44] <GaryD> yw
[20:04] <kosaidpo> guys how can make a scipt accessible using export ?
[20:05] <GaryD> kosaidpo: i don't know, have you tried asking over at #ubuntu? they are very active there.
[20:06] <kosaidpo> GaryD: yeh very active at a point that u have to be way lucky so you question get noticed :D
[20:06] <kosaidpo> thanks tho i hate goin there its so crowded
[20:07] <kosaidpo> the thing is here on my machine whwn i so man export theres nethin
[20:07] <GaryD> lol...yep...but a lot more helpful if you don't have any questions specifically for lubuntu.
[20:08] <kosaidpo> yeh i agree
[20:13] <phillw> kosaidpo: if you do not fancy #ubuntu, why do you not use #ubuntu-begginers ? It is a quieter channel, but you will need to learn a wonderful thing called patience.
[20:13] <GaryD> lol.....
[20:14] <phillw> ;phillw
[20:14] <kosaidpo> phillw: yeah i kno
[20:14] <kosaidpo> i brb fist dinner
[20:34] <kosaidpo> bk
[20:35] <kosaidpo> phillw: im there now :D
[22:38] <Yorvyk_> phillw, ping
[22:39] <phillw> Yorvyk_: I'm here :)
[22:40] <Yorvyk_> Just seen your mail - are you getting confused :)
[22:40]  * phillw currently hanging on by my fingertips.....
[22:40] <Yorvyk_> They’re just the normal updates you’d expect in an alpha cycle


[03:29] <jcastro> pleia2: around?
[03:32] <pleia2> jcastro: yep
[03:32] <jcastro> those ubuntu women marketing materials look quite amazing!
[03:33] <jcastro> is there a plan for shirts?
[03:33] <pleia2> yeah, Troy did a really amazing job
[03:33] <maco> troy's awesome
[03:33] <maco> oh oh can i go update the shirt design i made with the new logos then?
[03:33] <pleia2> I've been talking to Cathy Malmrose of ZaReason about some resellers she uses for t-shirts
[03:33] <pleia2> maco: please do! :)
[03:34] <jcastro> count me in for 4-5 shirts!
[03:34] <jcastro> have you talked to someone at zazzle?
[03:34] <jcastro> they do the mozilla store iirc
[03:34] <pleia2> akgraner had some shirts printed up by zazzle, I don't know anything about the quality, etc of those
[03:34] <maco> pleia2's been talking to actual high quality printers local to her
[03:34] <jcastro> \o/
[03:34] <maco> which reminds me: please no cafepress
[03:35] <maco> ink fade :(
[03:35] <pleia2> maco: do you know how they are for other things, like coffee mugs?
[03:35] <pleia2> I am not too keen on them for clothes, but I was wondering about other items
[03:35] <jcastro> pleia2: gnome and mozilla use zazzle
[03:35] <jcastro> they appear to be quite awesome, no idea on price or specifics tho
[03:36] <maco> all i have from cafepress is at  shirt
[03:36] <maco> a t shirt
[03:36] <pleia2> price seemed high to me at zazzle
[03:36] <pleia2> but we'll spec out some ideas
[03:36] <jcastro> yeah :-/
[03:36] <jcastro> I have like 4 tshirt stores local to me, so if you run into a dead end lmk
[03:36] <jcastro> I happen to live within a mile of like all 4 of them
[03:37] <jcastro> dunno how I got so lucky, hah
[03:37] <pleia2> the california team got our shirts from a local place, but the women's t-shirts are actually see-through
[03:37] <maco> jcastro: do you have SVGs of the new logos?
[03:37] <pleia2> I am thankful for the donation, but I have to wear another shirt under mine when I wear my CA T :)
[03:37] <maco> ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu studio, uw, and edubuntu are all on the shirt design i made
[03:37] <maco> jcastro: have you seen that?
[03:37] <jcastro> maco: links please!
[03:37] <jcastro> no I don't have svgs
[03:38] <maco> jcastro: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Ideas/TShirtDesigns
[03:38] <jcastro> (if you want svgs perhaps ask ken wimer?)
[03:38] <maco> but of course all the logos have to be replaced now
[03:38] <maco> and i guess the font where it says ubuntu women
[03:38] <jcastro> the vines are cool!
[03:38] <maco> pleia2: the ubuntu font for that you think?
[03:39] <jcastro> oh hey, I thought about something today
[03:39] <maco> jcastro: thanks
[03:39] <doctormo> maco, jcastro: would you like svg versions?
[03:39] <maco> doctormo: yes please
[03:39] <jcastro> doctormo: not me personally, but she does
[03:39] <maco> jcastro: do you see an easter egg on that design?
[03:39] <doctormo> maco:what was the original made in?
[03:39] <maco> doctormo: inkscape
[03:39] <jcastro> I see the debian swirl if that's what you mean
[03:39] <maco> jcastro: yep :)
[03:39] <jcastro> maco: I got you beat!
[03:39] <maco> doctormo: well, i mean...paper and pencil...and then inkscape
[03:39] <doctormo> lol
[03:40] <jcastro> maco: ok I lie, emma jane's got you beat, she gave us hand made blankets for a wedding gift
[03:40] <jcastro> with hidden debian swirls!
[03:40] <doctormo> maco: Ah so what happened to the svg versions? are they lost int he sands of time or just with someone else?
[03:40] <jcastro> maco: remind me later and I'll take a picture
[03:40] <maco> i didnt have a tablet yet at the time, so i drew on paper, then scanned and did an autotrace in inkscape, then manually cleaned it up
[03:40] <maco> doctormo: on my hard disk
[03:41] <maco> doctormo: the wiki just wouldnt display svg right or something so i uploaded a png
[03:41] <pleia2> maco: yeah, I'd go with the new ubuntu font
[03:41] <maco> doctormo: hey wait there's a *link* to the svg!
[03:41] <jcastro> hey so anyway I did a komen walk a few months ago and they have like, teams of people
[03:41] <jcastro> and I was thinking it'd be cool to have an ubuntu logo with the pink ribbon
[03:41] <doctormo> maco: OK, so you don't need an svg, you already have one? Just trying to make sure before I retrace this design.
[03:42] <jcastro> but I have not thought this through, I only thought about it a few hours ago
[03:42] <maco> doctormo: i need svgs of the new logos so i can modify my existing svg of that design to have the new ones
[03:42] <maco> doctormo: because those are the old colourful logos
[03:42] <pleia2> I am not sure if xubuntu ever got around to making a new logo
[03:42] <maco> weren't they the first after ubuntu to do so?
[03:42]  * pleia2 's only input was "Make sure it still has the mouse, we love the mouse, I use xubuntu because of the mouse"
[03:43] <pleia2> they never settled on one
[03:43] <maco> i thought cody pulled one out of the hat immediately
[03:43] <doctormo> maco: So a new logo for ubuntu women hasn't been created yet, or hasn't been put up for download in svg?
[03:43] <pleia2> maco: there were a few drafts, no decision
[03:43] <maco> doctormo: we have svg for UW. i dont know where to find SVG for kubuntu or ubuntu or xubuntu or ubuntu studio
[03:43] <maco> i imagine the ubuntu branding page has an ubuntu one *somewhere*
[03:43] <maco> did studio get a new logo?
[03:44] <doctormo> maco: cool, link me to the new svg for uw and I'll put it in my collection.
[03:44] <maco> ive only seen png versions for kubuntu though :-/
[03:44] <maco> i'll have to bother jonathan later
[03:44] <pleia2> doctormo: http://www.ubuntu-women.org/img/ubuntu-women-community-identity/
[03:45] <pleia2> (they're also available here, but it's 160M of stuff and contains tons of other design elements: https://code.launchpad.net/~troy-sobotka/+junk/ubuntu-women-community-identity )
[03:45] <maco> in particular http://www.ubuntu-women.org/img/ubuntu-women-community-identity/ubuntu-women-cof.svg
[03:47] <jcastro> any ideas for a breast cancer ubuntu shirt?
[03:47]  * jcastro jumps up and down for attention
[03:47] <maco> jcastro: would munnies go to the breast cancer people? cuz putting the pink ribbon there without donating is icky
[03:48] <jcastro> the way I've seen it work is people make their own shirts
[03:48] <jcastro> and walk/run in events and the money goes to the charity
[03:48] <paultag> hey jcastro
[03:48] <jcastro> but it would be cool if there was an "official" shirt that had X% going to the fund, like other organizations do
[03:49] <paultag> jcastro: are we doing a coders for brest cancer thing or something?
[03:49] <paultag> +1 jcastro
[03:49] <paultag> jcastro: my grandmother just got thru fighting brest cancer, I'm here to help
[03:49] <duanedesign> with the ubuntu new ubuntu logo you could replace the small circle of fiends at the end with the pink ribbon
[03:49] <jcastro> paultag: no I was just thinking outloud, I did a walk a few months ago
[03:49] <paultag> jcastro: ahha
[03:49] <jcastro> but it came up in my head today
[03:49] <paultag> jcastro: I'm down to help if you need it
[03:49] <jcastro> because my wife was like "there's some party on friday and miss michigan will be there but you need to dress up and pay money"
[03:49] <jcastro> and I was like "screw that"
[03:50] <maco> oooh apparently i organized things on my hard drive at some point
[03:50] <jcastro> then today I was wearing the cancer shirt and she was like "you could have just worn that?"
 (Her step brother is miss michigan's boyfriend)
[03:51] <jcastro> so anyway, I'm wearing this susan komen shirt today
[03:51] <paultag> jcastro: Wa wa wee wa, how old?
[03:52] <jcastro> and I was like "we can so do an ubuntu team"
[03:52] <jcastro> sort of like how leann and dustin wear ubuntu shirts when they do marathons
[03:52] <jcastro> we could do ubuntu shirts during the komen marches around the country
[03:52] <jcastro> paultag: 25ish I guess?
[03:53] <paultag> jcastro: but seriously, can we do something for breast cancer?
[03:53] <jcastro> so yeah, I think so
[03:54] <duanedesign> jcastro: the susan komen logo looks like a pink ribbon/ person
[03:54] <jcastro> duanedesign: yeah, so, circle of friends them. :D
[03:54] <paultag> the pSoF
[03:54] <jcastro> Circle is spelled with a C paultag
[03:55] <paultag> Doh!!!
[03:55] <paultag> wow, bad mistake
[03:55] <jcastro> it's ok, you have an ohio education
[03:55] <paultag> jcastro: I grew up in Boston!
[03:55] <paultag> jcastro: but my University would be proud
[03:55] <Pendulum> okay, I hate to be a bit of a naysayer here, but if you're going to do an official Ubuntu breast cancer shirt, are you going to have a problem if people start designing their own in support of other causes?
[03:55] <paultag> jcastro: at least it's not michigan state
[03:55] <maco> now we know what doctormo's progeny have to look forward to for education!
[03:55] <duanedesign> it has the circle at the top. if you added two more circles you would almost have an ubuntu loogo
[03:55] <jcastro> Pendulum: I have no idea how it works, I am thinking outloud
[03:55] <Pendulum> or what're you going to do if they start bringing their causes to you and saying "do one of this too"
[03:55] <Pendulum> how do you cut it off?
[03:56] <jcastro> right
[03:56] <paultag> Pendulum: run it through the community, I guess
[03:56] <jcastro> "ubuntu users for the erradication of non-metal music"
[03:56] <maco> -1
[03:56] <duanedesign> jcastro: sometimes just making something pink is enought o associatte it with breast cancer
[03:56] <pleia2> haha
[03:56] <paultag> -1
[03:56] <paultag> bah!
[03:56] <paultag> jcastro: ubuntu user for the promotion of electro-anarcho-punk-funk-rock-folk
[03:57] <maco> punk funk?
[03:57] <maco> wait i wanna hear this
[03:57] <jcastro> we did do the ubuntu one music store proceeds for the lynx
[03:57] <paultag> Man, I'll have to do some digging
[03:57] <paultag> sec
[03:57] <Pendulum> personally, while I support breast cancer research, I feel like it's a big fundraiser thing when a lot of other just as deserving issues get ignored (for the record, my grandmother has breast cancer and will for the rest of her life)
[03:57] <pleia2> of course the trademark situation has to be taken into account, I'm even somewhat shy to offer ubuntu women shirts via a store like zazzle because of it
[03:58] <maco> pleia2: yeah, thats something we have to go talk to canonical lawyers about right? because thered be $ happening
[03:58] <maco> jono said talk to lawyers, he cant bless it
[03:58] <jcastro> Pendulum: yeah, it's a weird topic. tbh it wasn't until I learned of a relative who I didn't even know dying from it I would have been obivious
[03:58] <pleia2> maco: yeah, elky went through some pain when she worked at a store selling ubuntu, they couldn't sell ubuntu shirts
[03:58] <pleia2> s/selling ubuntu/selling ubuntu pcs
[03:58] <maco> pleia2: i thought it was "she couldnt get a discount on shirts and got annoyed"?
[03:59] <paultag> maco: this is a rad track http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME9cHn6j88o&feature=related
[03:59] <maco> they said she'd have to buy them at the canonical store online and mark them up
[03:59] <pleia2> no, her only option was paying full price from the canonical store and passing along that to the customers, they couldn't make any
[03:59] <maco> oh, no markup allowed? dang
[03:59] <jcastro> why not make your own like locos do?
[03:59] <paultag> maco: that or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPallS7LMlE <-- but this is remixed mainstream
[03:59] <maco> jcastro: the issue is using the ubuntu logo
[03:59] <pleia2> I think selling loco shirts for profit is a somewhat grey area
[03:59] <paultag> +1 pleia2
[04:00] <jcastro> oh, I see, for profit
[04:00] <paultag> pleia2: imho if it's for a loco it's cool, but for personal gain is a bit off without going through Canonical
[04:00] <paultag> pleia2: I think Canonical has the same view
[04:00] <maco> jcastro: well even if UW puts no markup, zazzle's making a profit by selling 'em for us, see?
[04:00]  * jcastro nods
[04:00] <Pendulum> jcastro: for the record, my grandmother isn't actually dying of it, but she was 87 when diagnosed and they opted for conservative treatment because surgery and then chemo or radiation probably had at least as good a chance of killing her as the cancer does
[04:01] <maco> however i think a small markup for UW might be interesting to fund some of the group initiatives...
[04:01] <jcastro> ok, I'll ask internally about how things like this work
[04:01] <pleia2> I don't actually know where canonical would come down on these things, but I do keep it in mind, especially when we start talking about using the logo beyond "team" stuff
[04:01] <paultag> aye
[04:01] <jcastro> pleia2: it's a tough road I am sure
[04:01] <jcastro> on one hand you want people to do awesome thing
[04:02] <jcastro> on the other you want to make sure that "ubuntu members for killing babies" isn't possible
[04:02] <pleia2> but then all of a sudden the ubuntu logo is promoting pro-life marches ;)
[04:02] <paultag> ach!
[04:02] <paultag> over my dead body :(
[04:02]  * nigelb yawns
[04:02] <nigelb> morning folks
[04:02] <pleia2> hey nigelb, all ready for User Days? :D
[04:02] <nigelb> pleia2: oh yes
[04:03] <pleia2> \o/
[04:03] <nigelb> though I just realized today is second saturday
[04:03] <nigelb> which means banks are closed and no way for me to get some stuff done
[04:03] <maco> oh dang.
[04:03] <pleia2> guess you'll have to stay home with us
[04:03] <maco> *grumble*
[04:03] <maco> i have to figure out what im gonna say
[04:03] <maco> and umm what time my thing is
[04:03] <pleia2> lol
[04:04] <nigelb> LOL
[04:04] <maco> and umm...also write some ruby and scheme (and i dont know those languages! plz help me!)
[04:04] <Pendulum> maco: you're after me
[04:04] <Pendulum> so I think you're at 6PM Eastern
[04:04] <maco> ruby was due 2 weeks ago and scheme was due wednesday and im stuck :(
[04:04] <nigelb> I'm glad she remembers she's taking a session :p
[04:04] <Pendulum> and I should go to bed so I can be awake in 6 hours :(
[04:04] <nigelb> ruby should be ok
[04:05] <nigelb> scheme = compiler design or something?
[04:05] <maco> i cant figure out how to access member variables of a class instance
[04:05] <maco> no, scheme is a lisp
[04:05] <nigelb> ah
[04:05] <nigelb> paultag should know
[04:05] <maco> i did compiler design a year ago
[04:06] <nigelb> Im still yet to figure out what time it starts
[04:07] <nigelb> ha! its at 3 pm
[04:07] <nigelb> I guess I'm the only one with a comfortable time zone :D
[04:08]  * nigelb nudges pleia2 :p
[04:08] <pleia2> hehe
[04:08] <duanedesign> jcastro: http://ln-s.net/7E83
[04:09] <jcastro> hahah that's awesome
[04:09] <duanedesign> :) tux fights breast cancer
[04:17] <nigelb> maco: might wanna join #ubuntu-classroom-backstage before you take your session :)
[04:41] <nigelb> maco: what do you want us to introduce you as?
[04:43] <maco> um mackenzie?
[04:43] <maco> dont introduce me as sarah or something...
[04:43] <nigelb> haha
[04:43] <nigelb> no
[04:44] <nigelb> I mean a short paragraph about you
[04:50] <paultag> Hahahaha
[04:50] <paultag> sec, darn internet
[04:52] <nigelb> paultag: I got one for you :D
[04:53] <pleia2> one internet?
[04:54] <nigelb> pleia2: oh no, intro
[04:54] <pleia2> oh, that :)
[04:54] <nigelb> pleia2: I'm taking the freedom of making stuff up for maco coz she's lazy to write her own
[04:55] <pleia2> lol
[04:55] <pleia2> make one up for me too, I still need to write my class
[04:56] <nigelb> sure :)
[04:56] <pleia2> :)
[04:57] <nigelb> oh yay mango in the morning
[04:59] <doctormo> maco, pleia2: http://imagebin.ca/view/KtcTtfl.html
[05:00] <pleia2> doctormo: wow, that's pretty!
[05:00] <nigelb> doctormo: can you write a few sentences about you on http://ubuntu-classroom.ietherpad.com/1 ?
[05:00] <doctormo> nigelb: Sure thing
[05:00] <maco> doctormo: beautiful!
[05:01]  * nigelb lols @ doctormo's intro
[05:04] <doctormo> nigelb: Anything I've missed?
[05:04] <nigelb> nope
[05:06] <doctormo> pleia2: Any responses for the loco interview?
[05:06] <nhandler> doctormo: Any chance of you using your artistic talent to create a tshirt design for Ubuntu Chicago ? We have everything in Chicago, just no artists
[05:07] <pleia2> doctormo: none yet, but there don't tend to be for these
[05:07] <pleia2> and thanks for doing the interview :)
[05:08] <doctormo> maco: would it be horrid to add in a foss flower? http://doctormo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/floss1-248x300.png
[05:08] <doctormo> nhandler: What kind of tshirt and what would you want it to show off/symbolise?
[05:11] <nhandler> doctormo: It is probably worth waiting on nixternal (he has the most artistic talent out of all of us). But http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-chicago is really the only artwork we have besides http://www.flickr.com/photos/kgelster/4181006489/in/faves-nhandler/ . We are just trying to come up with some shirt that looks decent enough for us to wear at events
[05:11] <maco> doctormo: ask pleia2. she's our lizard
[05:12] <nigelb> lizard?
[05:12] <pleia2> I'll just make something up
[05:12] <pleia2> most of our ideas are pretty basic "logo and words" - this one was pretty, eye-catching, showing ubuntu and lots of flavors, lots of ways to get involved and stuff
[05:13] <pleia2> since the goal of the project is to inspire and encourage
[05:13] <doctormo> pleia2: Could I add a foss logo to the vine design? something small?
[05:13] <pleia2> yeah, I think it's fine
[05:14] <maco> i'm glad doctormo understood that the logos were meant to be the flowers on the vine
[05:14] <maco> nigelb: ever read the hitchhikers guide?
[05:14] <doctormo> maco: It helps that you named the layer: [flowers] ;-)
[05:14] <maco> "take me to your lizard"
[05:14] <nigelb> maco: ahhh
[05:14] <maco> doctormo: oh did i?
[05:14]  * maco pats past-me on the head
[05:14] <pleia2> hehe
[05:14] <doctormo> maco: Heh, almost as good as "I call my cat The Lord"
[05:15] <maco> pleia2: im a kubuntu user. you think i was gonna make a design that just had ubuntu logo? pfffffffffft
[05:15] <pleia2> plus, blue is prettier
[05:16] <maco> yes
[05:16] <maco> like when i did that kubuntu/kde session filling in for celeste
[05:16] <nigelb> xubuntu blue i prettier than kubuntu
[05:16] <nigelb> kubuntu is a lot of eyewash
[05:16] <maco> "why do all the girls like kde?" "because its prettier than gnome!"
[05:16]  * nigelb runs.  Fast.
[05:16] <pleia2> nigelb: +1
[05:16] <maco> and then pleia2 going "hey! i like gnome!"
[05:16] <pleia2> no no, I like xfce :)
[05:16] <paultag> FLUXBOX!
[05:17] <maco> oh. ok maybe you said "i dont like kde" then :P
[05:17] <pleia2> yeah probably
[05:17] <nigelb> paultag: quoting you "fluxbox is for kids"
[05:17] <pleia2> paultag: actually, I have 4 computers at home - 1 has xfce, 1 has gnome, 2 have fluxbox
[05:17] <paultag> w00t
[05:17] <paultag> pleia2: that's my package :3
[05:17] <pleia2> <3 u
[05:17] <paultag> aww
[05:17] <pleia2> gnome on the netbook is nice because it's easy clicky for wifi and stuff
[05:18] <paultag> pleia2: you can run GNOME on Fluxbox
[05:18] <paultag> just ditch compiz and metacity
[05:18] <pleia2> paultag: actually... both the fluxbox machines are debian
[05:18] <paultag> w00t!!!
[05:18] <paultag> pleia2: that's my baby right there
[05:18] <paultag> pleia2: testing?
[05:18] <paultag> or stable
[05:19] <pleia2> stable, so not yours yet
[05:19] <pleia2> one of the machines is my firewall+lots of other stuff I consolidated into one machine
[05:19] <pleia2> the other is my million year old laptop
[05:19] <paultag> Ugh, I can't write about myself
[05:20] <pleia2> just make stuff up, that's what I do
[05:21] <pleia2> include superpowers
[05:21] <maco> and on the 19th day, paultag created elephants!
[05:21] <maco> and then mated them with sheep to make snuffleupagus
[05:21] <paultag> Oh man
[05:21] <nigelb> hahahah
[05:21] <paultag> I actually really want to use that
[05:21]  * nigelb LOLs
[05:21] <doctormo> Can anyone give me the new beta of the ubuntu font? I can't seem to get it because I won't put my launchpad password into my apt list file.
[05:22] <maco> doctormo: your lp password doesnt go in there.....
[05:22] <paultag> goddamnit doctormo
[05:22] <paultag> doctormo: it's not your darn lp password
[05:22] <maco> doctormo: a long hash thingy goes in there
[05:22] <paultag> doctormo: I told you this, it's a unique hash
[05:22] <maco> its an auth key
[05:22] <paultag> +1 maco
[05:22] <paultag> you can reset it doctormo
[05:22] <doctormo> paultag: *shrug*
[05:22] <paultag> doctormo: it's not even a hash of your password, SHAZBOT
[05:22] <doctormo> paultag: Where is the big red button that says GO
[05:23] <paultag> no need :)
[05:23] <doctormo> paultag: Oh you'll just send me the ttf by email?
[05:24] <maco> doctormo: cant download the deb through lp?
[05:24] <doctormo> nope
[05:24] <paultag> no doctormo
[05:24] <paultag> doctormo: that's bad :(
[05:24] <paultag> doctormo: because you won't get updates
[05:24] <doctormo> Besides I can't jump into sysadmin mode while I'm in art mode, can someone send it me before I have to ditch art mode?
[05:24] <paultag> doctormo: just download it off the ppa over http
[05:24] <paultag> doctormo: just hit your ppa via http
[05:24] <paultag> doctormo: and download the .deb
[05:25] <paultag> doctormo: fsck it I'll send you a deb, but _not_ the ttf
[05:25] <maco> haha
[05:25]  * maco wouldnt know what to do with it if handed a ttf
[05:25] <maco> i think i would run "find / -name *.ttf" to see where the rest of them are
[05:25] <paultag> maco: somewhere in /usr/ I think
[05:25] <paultag> /usr/share/fonts or something
[05:26] <maco> well i might try locate, but i think you have to know the actual file name not just *.ttf with that
[05:26] <maco> so i think id try locate, get it wrong, and resort to a slow find
[05:26] <paultag> :)
[05:26] <doctormo> Wait I think I may have found something
[05:26] <paultag> k doctormo
[05:26] <paultag> doctormo: I just sent it, so bah
[05:27] <nigelb> AlanBell: ping, poke, and everything else that hurts
[05:27] <paultag> OK. I need sleep
[05:27] <pleia2> night paultag
[05:27] <paultag> night nigelb. My stuff is in order. Be sure to include the maco quote
[05:27] <doctormo> ubuntu-private-nda-fonts - wow, they should have just called it: copy-and-die.deb
[05:27] <paultag> night pleia2 :)
[05:27] <paultag> doctormo: darn skippy
[05:27] <paultag> doctormo: 'night!
[05:27] <nigelb> paultag: LOL
[05:27] <doctormo> thanks paultag, you get cudos anyway!
[05:28] <nigelb> paultag: you want it as a quote or integrated in?
[05:28] <paultag> nigelb: either way works, I think it will set the tone of how I'm going to present stuff
[05:28] <paultag> it's just goofy enough to be right
[05:28] <paultag> thanks maco :3
[05:28] <maco> doctormo: plotical? im guessing you mean political
[05:29] <maco> (i just changed it on etherpad. tell me if i changed wrongly)
[05:29] <pleia2> plotical is funnier
[05:32] <jcastro> doctormo: the "nda" in the name is a bug, we're fixing that
[05:32] <doctormo> jcastro: I figured it was just something like that, I just wanted to be funny.
[05:32] <jcastro> it's a fair question!
[05:33] <doctormo> pleia2: I agree, it is funnier, I wonder how I can make a plotical blog.
[05:37] <maco> you gues!
[05:37] <maco> *guys!
[05:37] <maco> i spelled "snuffleupagus" right!
[05:38] <maco> (but not guys. and which one is only four letters, hmmm???)
[05:38] <nigelb> hahah
[05:38] <nigelb> maco: its like in maths
[05:38] <maco> oh golly
[05:38] <maco> maths
[05:39] <nigelb> I can get differentiation and integration right
[05:39] <nigelb> but miss 3+2
[05:39] <maco> im going to cringe every time i have to say maths
[05:39] <nigelb> why?
[05:39] <maco> because in the US it's singular
[05:40] <maco> though actually Keybuk, who is british, agrees that math is more right than maths
[05:40] <maco> because you don't abbreviate something and then keep the plural s
[05:40]  * nigelb grns
[05:40] <nigelb> *grins
[05:40] <maco> if you're removing ematic from the middle of mathematics, you're going to need an apostrophe to make up for it: math's
[05:41] <maco> (besides that, ths is an annoying sound to try to make)
[05:52] <doctormo> maco, pleia2: wallpaper version: http://imagebin.ca/view/mogKjena.html
[05:54] <maco> yay!
[05:55] <maco> i like the big logo off to the side like that (like i put it :P) because it makes space for the text
[05:57] <pleia2> nice :)
[05:58] <doctormo> So many errors in that last version! so sorry: http://imagebin.ca/view/kXHOY5SI.html
[07:41] <AlanBell> nigelb: hi
[07:42] <nigelb> AlanBell: we need your intro :)
[07:42] <nigelb> http://ubuntu-classroom.ietherpad.com/1
[07:43] <AlanBell> erm it is asking for a password
[07:43] <ddecator> AlanBell: make sure the /1 is at the end of the URL (i ran into the same thing)
[07:44] <AlanBell> got it, thanks
[07:48] <jussi> shamelessly stolen from a community member: Why did the programmer die in the shower? The shampoo said lather, rinse, repeat. :D
[07:49] <jussi> and good morning!
[07:49] <ddecator> morning jussi!
[07:50] <jussi> morning ddecator
[07:52] <jussi> oh, did we all know it is Nelson Mandela Day on July 18? http://en.mandeladay.com/About.aspx
[08:04] <nigelb> AlanBell: Love the intro including the poke at Kubuntu :p
[08:04] <nigelb> Alan and his family all use Ubuntu, however the chickens in the garden seem to prefer Kubuntu. :p
[08:05] <ddecator> heh
[08:08] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/chicken.png
[08:08] <nigelb> hahahahaha
[08:09] <AlanBell> you thought I was joking!
[08:09] <AlanBell> maco: ^^
[08:09] <nigelb> jussi: ^^
[08:11] <vish> doctormo: apart from the ubuntu logo [the smaller one in the center] being rotated , looks neat!
[08:11] <jussi> sigh :P
[08:11] <vish> rotated in the sense , wrongly positioned..
[08:11] <vish> ;p
[08:12] <jussi> chromium is just evil sometimes
[08:19] <ddecator> AlanBell: that is amazing, haha
[09:29] <vish> maco: hmm ,you'd probably get a comment.. the ubuntu logo is wrong.. in doctormo's one.   you could pay some attention to non-kubuntu stuff ;p
[09:29] <nigelb> haha
[09:30] <maco> vish: whats wrong? its not rotated funny or anything...
[09:30] <maco> its just *tiny*
[09:30] <nigelb> which is also wrong :p
[09:30] <vish> maco: the logo is the wrong direction , the COF
[09:31] <maco> hmm?oh  it is slightly rotated
[09:31] <vish> yeah
[09:31] <maco> it wasnt in the one he showed before was it?
[09:31] <vish> maco: it was.. thats where i first noticed
[09:31] <maco> in the first one he posted?
[09:32] <vish> yeah , in the scrollback , both versions
[09:32] <maco> wait but relative to the vine its right
[09:33] <nigelb> flimsy excuse
[09:33] <maco> the text is following the vine. it looks like the logo is oriented to match up with the text and follow the vine
[09:33] <nigelb> everything else is not related to the vine
[09:33] <nigelb> if its related to the vine, it should be tilted a bit more
[09:34] <maco> well im sure he's asleep now so deal later
[09:34] <nigelb> the buttom dots must be in the same line which must be paralel to the vine
[10:45] <qense> goodmorning
[10:45] <nigelb> qense: morning!
[10:45] <nigelb> its User days!
[10:45] <qense> hey nigelb!
[10:45] <qense> yay!
[10:45] <nigelb> qense: can you an intro for yourself here http://ubuntu-classroom.ietherpad.com/1
[10:46] <qense> will do!
[10:46]  * nigelb hugs qense :)
[10:47]  * qense hugs nigelb
[10:47] <qense> It's warm here!
[10:48] <qense> Almost 30 degrees Celsius already!
[11:15] <qense> nigelb: How's my introduction?
[11:16] <Pendulum> qense: he lost power. I can look at it if you'd like
[11:17] <qense> Pendulum: If you could, please.
[11:17] <Pendulum> looks good to me :)
[11:17] <qense> Pendulum: Wait, how do you know he lost power?
[11:17] <qense> Pendulum: Thanks!
[11:17] <Pendulum> he sent me a text
[11:17] <qense> :)
[11:17] <qense> ah!
[11:25] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:26] <Pendulum> hi duanedesign
[11:29] <qense> English speakers! Can you say 'a central place from where you fetch the applications you want'?
[11:29] <qense> from where doesn't sound really good
[11:30] <Pendulum> it's completely gramatically correct, although I think most people would say "from which"
[11:31] <duanedesign> a central place where you
[11:31] <duanedesign> although Pendulums version sounds classier :)
[11:32] <qense> I'll go with Pendulum's suggestion. Thanks!
[11:32] <duanedesign> better get lernid fired up...
[11:33] <qense> How stable is Lernid today?
[11:36] <duanedesign> qense: seems good. i am on Maverick FWIW.
[11:36] <Pendulum> qense: one person had a bug (usernames showing up as <???>), but otherwise people seem to be fine with it
[11:36] <qense> I'm too.
[11:37] <qense> good
[11:37] <qense> If there is an emergency with Lernid, I can lend my programming skills if needed! :D
[11:44] <duanedesign> qense: how is Ubuntu Wanted development coming along?
[11:45] <duanedesign> i had an old UDS post stuck in my blog pueue so I got to blog abbout that UDS session recently
[11:45] <duanedesign> s/pueue/queue
[11:46] <qense> duanedesign: I haven't given it much attention lately, to be honest. Lack of time.
[11:46] <qense> and energy
[11:48] <duanedesign> qense: i understand how it can be :)
[12:13] <qense> lunch time, I'm off
[12:38] <qense> back
[15:14] <czajkowski> lo
[15:15] <paultag> heyya czajkowski
[15:15] <qense> hi czajkowski
[15:17] <nigelb> w00t user days!
[15:18] <paultag> brb
[15:18] <nigelb> 'lo czajkowski :)
[15:19] <czajkowski> seen the log on myname
[15:19]  * czajkowski wallops pa
[15:20] <czajkowski> paultag:
[15:20]  * nigelb wonders what czajkowski is talking about
[15:21] <qense> tree chopper!
[15:22] <czajkowski> log from yesterday in here  14:07
[15:22]  * nigelb goes to check
[15:23] <paultag> back
[15:23] <paultag> czajkowski: heyya sweetie :)
[15:23] <paultag> czajkowski: see now don't you feel bad for wolloping me?
[15:23] <czajkowski> paultag: no ~I ever feel bad for walloping you.  It;'s you for feck sake
[15:24] <nigelb> haha
[15:24] <paultag> hahaha
[15:37] <akgraner> Good Morning!
[15:38] <Pendulum> morning akgraner
[15:39] <akgraner> Pendulum, how are ya?
[15:39] <Pendulum> tired, but I just opened up a can of Dr Pepper so that should go away for a while ;-)
[15:40] <akgraner> :-)  I had visitors this week :-)  Now I am getting caught up on a million things
[15:40] <Pendulum> heh
[15:40]  * nigelb waves to akgraner
[15:40] <Pendulum> akgraner: not going to attend User Day then? :P
[15:40] <nigelb> akgraner: you've learned the disappearing act finally! Its a relief :)
[15:40] <akgraner> hey nigelb I'll work on your interview something today
[15:40] <akgraner> sometime even
[15:40] <nigelb> heh
[15:42] <akgraner> nigelb, yeah - but now I feel a little guilty :-) so it's a trade off
[15:43] <Pendulum> akgraner: take the time for your self. you deserve it
[15:43] <nigelb> akgraner: NO! Its a good thing you're staying away for some time and getting rest.
[15:43] <nigelb> But if you're not taking rest, well, rather you spend the day in bed on IRC :p
[15:46] <akgraner> Oh it's just what happens when you get out of balance  - then figure out how to balance things back up - no biggie - I think it happens to everyone at some point...:-)
[15:47] <nigelb> heh :)
[16:52] <doctormo> pleia2: hello?
[17:02] <Pendulum> doctormo: I think she's still asleep
[17:02] <Pendulum> she only went to bed 6 hours ago
[17:18] <doctormo> ah ok
[17:18] <doctormo> everything going ok you think Pendulum?
[17:18] <IdleOne> session is going great dude
[17:31] <Pendulum> doctormo: yep :) btw, are you using classbot or do you need me to feed you questions?
[17:31] <doctormo> Pendulum: need feeding
[17:34] <doctormo> Pendulum: Can you get a list of all past questions?
[17:35] <Pendulum> yep
[17:35] <Pendulum> it gives me all questions starting with the oldest
[17:35] <Pendulum> do you want me to start feeding them now?
[17:36] <Pendulum> or do you want to wait and ask for questions at some point?
[17:36] <Pendulum> doctormo: ^^
[17:36] <doctormo> I'll have a set time in a few, thanks Pendulum
[17:36] <Pendulum> np
[17:47] <Pendulum> doctormo: no more questions in the queue, do you want to put out another call for questions?
[17:57] <vish> doctormo: in case you missed my ping last night: <vish> doctormo: apart from the ubuntu logo [the smaller one in the center] being rotated , looks neat!
[17:58] <vish> the rest of the logos are correctly positioned.. in the sense, not aligned to the vine , but this one is the only deviant..
[18:00] <doctormo> vish: Symbolism!
[18:00] <vish> heh ;p
[18:06] <vish> doctormo: hmm , are we allowed to rotate like that.. iirc we are not allowed under the guidelines..
[18:06] <vish> oh well..
[18:14] <doctormo> vish: I don't think so, but in this case it's not being used as a symbol trademark, it's being used in artwork and falls under fair use and other free speech protections.
[18:15] <paultag> doctormo, you can't alter something under fair use
[18:15] <paultag> unless it's for satire
[18:15] <vish> doctormo: well , its one of the guidelines "YOU MUST NOT... Place the brandmark at an angle"
[18:16] <vish> but i know squat about legalities :D
[18:16] <doctormo> paultag: Don't think think it's satire? I do.
[18:17] <qense> hello
[18:17]  * vish too fails to see the satire here ..
[18:17] <vish> if all the brands were at angles.... maybe.
[18:45] <nigelb> IdleOne: pick a number and stay there
[18:45] <IdleOne> :(
[18:45] <IdleOne> sorry
[18:46] <IdleOne> Why you yelling at me ?
[18:46] <IdleOne> I'm always nice to you and you yell at me :(
[18:46]  * IdleOne cries
[18:51] <doctormo> vish: Actually you don't think I'm making a statement about Ubuntu being off kilter to the rest of the community :-P
[18:52] <paultag> doctormo, well that would be satire
[18:52] <paultag> doctormo, eat your own words!
[18:52] <nigelb> IdleOne: haha
[18:52] <vish> IdleOne: nigelb is ol'yeller ;p
[18:52]  * nigelb kicks vish
[18:52] <paultag> sounds like my ex-wife
[18:53] <paultag> heyo!
[18:53] <IdleOne> vish: you know what happened to ol' yeller right?
[18:53] <nigelb> IdleOne: he turned into you?
[18:54] <IdleOne> *growl* *bark* *growl*
[18:54] <vish> IdleOne: we can just tell nigelb he is being sent to a magical farm? :D
[18:54] <nigelb> hence proved
[18:55] <IdleOne> notice I did not bite
[18:55] <nigelb> barkin dogs dont bite
[18:57] <nigelb> IdleOne: heh, anyways, hows the weekend treating you
[18:57] <IdleOne> nigelb: slow start, still sitting here having coffee :)
[18:57] <doctormo> Hello nigelb
[18:57] <nigelb> heya doctormo
[18:57] <nigelb> how did the session go?
[18:58] <IdleOne> but got a msg from nhandler bout userdays and was like OH Cool!
[18:58] <nigelb> heh
[18:58] <nigelb> you wanna take a sesion?
[18:58] <IdleOne> me?
[18:58] <nigelb> yeah, why not
[18:58] <Pendulum> nigelb: you're evil :P
[18:58] <doctormo> nigelb: It went well I think, my wife woke me up 10 mins before the session so I was a bit panniked at the start.
[18:58] <IdleOne> you mean maco's sessions?
[18:58] <nigelb> IdleOne: yeah
[18:59] <IdleOne> honestly don't think I am ready.
[18:59] <nigelb> you're an OP
[18:59] <IdleOne> heh being an op and giving a session are very different
[19:00] <IdleOne> I'll be glad to help out and answer questions but would not want to lead the session
[19:00] <nigelb> haha
[19:00] <nigelb> IdleOne: I'll make you a deal
[19:00] <nigelb> I'll give you the text from last session
[19:01] <nigelb> just add some personalization and you can run with it
[19:01] <IdleOne> brb my usb coffee cup refiler upper device is broken
[19:01] <nigelb> usb coffee cup refiller? wow
[19:06] <IdleOne> nigelb: it is a imaginary device that I wish someone would invent
[19:06] <nigelb> IdleOne: ha
[19:06] <doctormo> nigelb: Get me $10k and I'll do it.
[19:06] <IdleOne> it would add to my lazyness but make me more productive on irc
[19:07] <IdleOne> doctormo: make it and I will get you 100K :)
[19:07] <nigelb> doctormo: I can get you $10 and you can imagine the k
[19:07] <IdleOne> nigelb: IF I agreed to do this session how much time do I have to prepare?
[19:07] <nigelb> Pendulum: what time is yours?
[19:08] <nigelb> its after yours right?
[19:08] <Pendulum> IdleOne: until 6 tonight
[19:08] <Pendulum> yeah
[19:08] <paultag> IdleOne, I have some notes
[19:08] <Pendulum> mine's 5-6 ET
[19:08] <paultag> IdleOne, I was putting stuff together if I was needed
[19:08] <paultag> IdleOne, I can forward it to you
[19:08] <IdleOne> See now if I say no I am going to feel bad.
[19:09] <nigelb> thats the trick
[19:09] <nigelb> we're all a team you see
[19:09] <paultag> aye
[19:09] <IdleOne> alright send me the info but if this turns to a disaster I am blaming nigelb
[19:09] <paultag> IdleOne, I can back you up on the session, but I'd rather not type for two hours straight
[19:09] <nigelb> IdleOne: it won't :)
[19:09] <IdleOne> two hours?
[19:10] <IdleOne> what?
[19:10] <paultag> IdleOne, let me dropbox it over.  two years back. I rooted his machine ( depended on sshd, and changed the root pw in the preinst )
[19:15] <pleia2> lol
[19:15] <paultag> pleia2, as soon as he smacked talked me again, I Just started opening porn on his display
[19:15] <paultag> export DISPLAY=:0.1
[19:15] <pleia2> nice
[19:15] <paultag> :)
[19:15] <paultag> she shaped up quickly
[19:16] <paultag> erm he
[19:16] <paultag> don't know how the s got in there
[19:17] <qense> paultag: export DISPLAY=:0.1 did the trick, probably
[19:17] <paultag> qense, yeah, and started firefox http://shady-url.com/shady-content.png
[19:17] <qense> That's the she
[19:17] <paultag> hurm?
[19:18] <qense> What you said earlier.
[19:19] <paultag> this is going right over my head, I typo'd "she"
[19:19] <paultag> he is a he, I think
[19:19] <vish> paultag: what was your session last time?
[19:19] <paultag> vish, same one as this year -- trusted software, where to find it, and why
[19:19] <vish> ah..
[19:20] <paultag> I've reworked some of my mistakes
[19:20] <paultag> I had slides and lots of fun examples
[19:20] <paultag> but I lost them two nights ago
[19:20] <vish> :s
[19:20] <paultag> work laptop was acting up, so I wiped it
[19:20] <paultag> d'oh!
[19:20] <IdleOne> ok working on this.
[19:20] <paultag> IdleOne, you just saved me :)
[19:21] <paultag> IdleOne, thank you
[19:21] <IdleOne> I might need to message you paultag for some info but I think I should be ok
[19:21] <paultag> sure thing IdleOne
[19:21] <nigelb> IdleOne: awesome.  thanks :)
[19:21]  * nigelb glares at vish
[19:21] <vish> pff..
[19:22] <vish> nigelb: i quote  <Pendulum> nigelb: you're evil :P
[19:22] <nigelb> vish: that's for a different reason
[19:22] <vish> nigelb: but still evil ;)
[19:23] <nigelb> my recruiting may be a bit aggresive but so what
[19:23] <nigelb> I get the results
[19:23] <nigelb> me and pleia2 filled up the calender pretty fast when we teamed up to do it
 qense: You're going to give an UserDay session or else a cute kitten will die!
[19:24] <qense> You blackmailed us!
[19:24] <paultag> Ha!
[19:24] <paultag> I was asked politely
[19:24] <nigelb> qense: haha
[19:24] <paultag> and as a result I said OK :)
[19:24] <pleia2> lol
[19:24] <nigelb> different people different tricks
[19:24] <nigelb> isn't that what sales and recruiting is all about
[19:25] <nigelb> for the record, I got vish to do a session at UDW
[19:25] <nigelb> so I still claim victory
[19:25] <vish> nigelb: i just think you are a bit scared of paultag  ;)
[19:25] <qense> nigelb should become salesperson!
[19:25] <nigelb> vish: nope.  paultag is nice.
[19:25] <nigelb> qense: nah.  I like developing way better.
[19:26] <vish> nigelb: for the record , mpt got me to do it ;)
[19:27] <paultag> vish, nigelb is scared of me
[19:27] <nigelb> vish: yes, I knew you wouldn't refuse that way
[19:27] <qense> vish: You're important!
[19:27] <nigelb> paultag: only when you talk about root-ing my system
[19:27] <paultag> vish, I watched nigelb come into the community, after all
[19:27] <paultag> nigelb, heh, you never know >:D
[19:28]  * nigelb remembers talking to paultag in #ubuntu-beginners-dev for the first time
[19:28] <paultag> :)
[19:31] <qense> Almost 10% of the Ubuntu Local communites Launchpad team seems to come from the Indian LoCo. :O
[19:31] <vish> nigelb: looks like a lot of indian names in the classroom this time
[19:32] <qense> yeah
[19:32] <qense> Ubuntu is really big in India, it seems.
[19:32] <qense> Tamil-Nadu is a large Ubuntu user, isn't it?
[19:32] <qense> You should do an Indian Ubuntu User Day!
[19:32] <vish> heh.
[19:32] <nigelb> which language? :p
[19:33] <nigelb> we'd have to do 22 differnt ones
[19:33] <vish> ha!
[19:33] <qense> English? :P
[19:33] <nigelb> well, this one is english
[19:33] <qense> Wait! There already is an English UbuntUserDay!
[19:33] <nigelb> I'm trying to get small events organized
[19:34] <nigelb> like an ubuntu hour last saturday of this month
[19:34] <qense> When I compared distributions using Google Trends the language that turned out to be most used when searching for Ubuntu was Indonesian.
[19:34] <vish> qense: usually there are a few indian folks in user days.. probably the ones this time are being more chatty
[19:34] <nigelb> there was good advertizzement in the loco channel
[19:34] <qense> vish: Most of the people that chatted during my talk seemed to be Indian.
[19:34] <vish> yeah.
[19:34] <vish> nigelb: did you get the mails about the yahoo event clash with the Ubuntu hr?
[19:35] <nigelb> vish: damn! what event? when?
[19:36] <vish> nigelb: read , the mailing list. there is a  Yahoo Open Hack event  , 24 and 25
[19:36] <vish> nigelb: some are asking for the dates to be shifted to 25
[19:36] <vish> date rather
[19:36] <nigelb> vish: 25 is weekday right?
[19:36] <vish> sunday i think
[19:36] <vish> yup
[19:37] <nigelb> I cant do sunday
[19:37] <nigelb> I guess next week then
[19:43] <nigelb> vish: re-sent
[19:43] <nigelb> vish: you wanna come down for a weekend?
[20:02] <doctormo> maco: Could you link the main wallpaper image to deviantArt too on your blog?
[20:03] <maco> doctormo: flickr gets not happy if you hotlink... am i able to hotlink from dA?
[20:03] <maco> er well, flickr's hotlink policy is "must link it back to flickr"
[20:11] <doctormo> maco: I'll host it on my blog if you like, I don't mind.
[20:11] <maco> ok
[20:14] <doctormo> maco: http://doctormo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/uw-wallpaper-vine.png
[20:15] <maco> doctormo: link updated
[20:18] <pleia2> doctormo: will you be at the docs collab meeting in ~40 minutes over in #ubuntu-manual?
[20:20] <doctormo> pleia2: I should be
[20:20] <pleia2> ok cool
[20:23] <nigelb> pleia2: Pendulum: ok, im off for real now
[20:23] <pleia2> night nigelb :)
[20:23] <paultag> gtfo nigelb
[20:24] <paultag> nigelb, get sleep!!!!!
[20:24] <nigelb> paultag: haha, you alwys were brutal :p
[20:24] <paultag> nigelb, and so will you if you don't get sleep
[20:24] <nigelb> true
[20:50] <akgraner> popey, do you all from the EMEA membership board will send out the welcome to new members?  If it was sent I missed it sorry - but if it hasn't been sent I'd like to include it in UWN this weekend?
[21:49] <qense> I'm off, bye everyone!
[22:09] <paultag_> maco, poke
[22:11] <paultag_> maco, 01:00 UTC, DarkwingDuck just had a family emergency -- he was talking about KDE and GNOME with pleia2. Since IdleOne is covering your IRC session, can you make that?
[22:11] <maco> yeah i guess... does he have notes somewhere?
[22:11] <paultag_> maco, he said they were on paper :(
[22:12] <maco> does he have a scanner?
[22:12] <paultag_> maco, he just left, his father in law was in a bad car wreck
[22:12] <paultag_> maco, pleia2 will talk for 40 minutes, I'm sure. You should be able to freestyle :)
[22:12] <maco> oh ouch
[22:12] <maco> ok yeah
[22:23] <pleia2> hang on, I have the etherpad that I put together
[22:23] <pleia2> maco: just forwarded you my script with the parts that DD was supposed to handle
[22:23] <maco> ok
[22:24] <pleia2> maco: care to join #ubuntu-classroom-backstage ?
[22:45] <popey> akgraner: tbh we never have sent out announcements
[22:46] <popey> akgraner: i guess we should, I'll figure out who was approved this week and let you know
[22:47] <akgraner> popey, thank you!