[12:03] <ppd> das ist ssl
[12:03] <StR> Knnen si in english sprechen?
[12:03] <mrmarcel> achja, stimmt 8-). Joar gerne, zur not kann ich ja immer noch neuinstallieren =)
[12:04] <mrmarcel> Ehm, also ich nicht, sorry : (
[12:04] <ppd> we can :-)
[12:05] <ppd> mrmarcel: hast du einen ssh server laufen?
[12:05] <StR> my brain hurts switching from spanish/english/german
[12:05] <ppd> you speak all these languages?
[12:06] <StR> ppd: just a little german
[12:06] <ppd> StR: where did you learn?
[12:06] <ppd> to speak German ^^
[12:06] <StR> in the german school in my country
[12:06] <mrmarcel> o.O
[12:07] <StR> aber ich habe fast alles vergesen....
[12:07] <konfuzed> hey there
[12:07] <ppd> and where do you come from?
[12:07] <mrmarcel> hi
[12:07] <konfuzed> I just had someone install kubuntu yesterday
[12:07] <StR> ppd: from Guatemala
[12:08] <StR> ppd: i preffer to forget german to learn programming languages...
[12:08] <konfuzed> however the ethernet cable was not plugged in and now the network interfacce is disabled
[12:08] <ppd> StR: nice. Haven't heard about a "German School" yet. but you shouldn't prefer to forget this nice language :-)
[12:08] <konfuzed> intel ethernet   and kubuntu is loading e100 according to dmesg
[12:08] <StR> ppd: lol...
[12:09] <StR> konfuzed: dou u use dhcp?
[12:09] <konfuzed> es
[12:09] <konfuzed> yes
[12:09] <ppd> I presonally only speak German, a little bit English and only very simple "school French"
[12:10] <konfuzed> but dhcp was not available during install because the cable was unplugged
[12:10] <StR> konfuzed: write in your /etc/network/interfaces
[12:10] <StR> konfuzed: iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:11] <konfuzed> I could do that
[12:11] <konfuzed> but have to go over there
[12:11] <konfuzed> it is listed in the hotplug section of interfaces
[12:11] <mrmarcel> hmm... okay, ich installier "schnell" kubuntu neu ^^ und dann geh ich ins bett. thx, cya und gn8 @ all =)
[12:11] <konfuzed> eth0 that is
[12:11] <StR> konfuzed: try writing that line  in that file...
[12:11] <slow-motion> n8
[12:12] <konfuzed> and then reboot or what
[12:12] <konfuzed> ifup
[12:12] <konfuzed> ifdown
[12:12] <StR> konfuzed: yes... you could reboot
[12:12] <bobbyd> hi
[12:12] <konfuzed> ifup eth0
[12:12] <StR> konfuzed: if you want to try the dhclient you should write:  dhclient eth0
[12:12] <bobbyd> has anyone noticed the refresh in konsole is very slow?
[12:12] <StR> sudo dhclient eth0
[12:12] <bobbyd> with a lot of text it really slows down
[12:12] <bobbyd> I don't remember that under gentoo
[12:13] <StR> bobbyd: it is ok for me...
[12:13] <Rickyniano> I have a problem I don't know if it's a bug: I can't type accented chars in console text mode. Any of you can type accented chars in console text mode?
[12:13] <konfuzed> StR:  I take you mean at thte shell prompt vs in the interfaces file
[12:13] <StR> konfuzed: right
[12:13] <StR> shell:   sudo dhclient eth0
[12:14] <konfuzed> thx
[12:14] <konfuzed> Ill go over and try that out
[12:14] <StR> konfuzed: no problem
[12:17] <StR> konfuzed: did it work?
[12:21] <ep> How does konq determine the file type and associated icon.  I have several *.h files in a directory, one of them is an oddball, it shows a java icon.
[12:22] <StR> what is ddball?
[12:23] <StR> konqueror ->settings>configure konqueror->file associations->text->x-c++ hdr
[12:24] <StR> ep? found it?
[12:24] <ep> a c++ header file listed in kongueror.  It shows a java icon instead of an Anjuta .H icon.  I right click and the properties dialog says it is of java type (i.e. *.java)
[12:25] <ep> Its not it's name is bjplayer.h , its a text file .  It contains c++ code3
[12:25] <ep> i can't get rid of the java icon -- its driving me nuts
[12:26] <Rickyniano> I have a problem I don't know if it's a bug: I can't type accented chars in console text mode. Any of you can type accented chars in console text mode?
[12:27] <ep> i renamed it xxx.txt -- it turns into a text icon.  I rename it back to  bjplayer.h and it tuns back into a java icon.   So my question is:  How does konqoruer determine the file type?
[12:32] <StR> is the kopete in kde3.5b1 working for the msn messenger?
[12:33] <bng57> msg nickserv register unclejim
[12:33] <StR> Rickyniano: look for "XkbLayout"  in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:33] <ep> Yes Str, I found it.  "*.H" is listed in filename patterns, but not *.h
[12:34] <Rickyniano> StR: Mmmm... when I say "console text mode", I mean the console in Ctrl-Alt-F1, not konsole
[12:35] <StR> Rickyniano: ahhhh....
[12:35] <StR> Rickyniano: no...   what is your native language?
[12:36] <Rickyniano> StR: I'm Spanish
[12:37] <ep> Str, I added *.h (lower case) to the filename pattern.  bjplayer.h is still a java icon, all the other *.h icons are correct Kong thinks bjplayer.h  is a java type file.  Why?
[12:37] <StR> ep could you send me that file?
[12:38] <ep> sure
[12:46] <StR> ep: weird...
[12:46] <StR> ep: really weird
[12:47] <StR> ep: if you rename the file to .H it works...
[12:47] <StR> (but that's not the idea, right?)
[12:48] <ep> right
[12:48] <StR> ep try to logout and login from kde?
[12:49] <ep> ok
[12:49] <ep> brb
[12:53] <StR> there is a problem in the new way the dvorak keyboard is managed in kde...
[12:53] <StR> I cannot add a normal-us and a dvorak-us together
[12:56] <ep> Ok i restarted KDE, still a java icon --  I change the name and get a different icon, thein  I rename it anything.h and it will turns back into a java icon.
[12:57] <StR> ep... it is really weird...
[12:57] <StR> try at #kde  ?
[12:58] <blackflag> hell all :-)
[12:58] <blackflag> hello all :-)
[12:58] <ep> no guess i will.  I'm going to play with it now -- its a challenge :-)
[12:58] <blackflag> I have  a question about proftpd
[12:59] <blackflag> can  I do "host header" with the server?
[12:59] <god-zero> doesn't kde sometimes read the first few bytes to determin type?
[12:59] <blackflag> so I can use multiple virtuell servers on the same IP wit different URL's ?
[01:02] <mrmarcel> hallo
[01:02] <mrmarcel> ist das empfehlenswert gleich nach der installation von kubuntu ein update aller pakete mit kynaptic zu machen ?
[01:03] <ep> Str, was the the icon a java icon on your system?
[01:05] <StR> ep: yes... well no because I have a preview of the file
[01:05] <mrmarcel> hm... i try it in english ^^... is it good, to update all packages after the installation of kubuntu ? via kynaptic ?
[01:05] <StR> ep: but it is tagged as java source
[01:06] <ep> i see
[01:06] <StR> ep: well... I don't care about the icons, because I rarely see them
[01:06] <StR> well... see you all tomorow
[01:06] <StR> I have to go now..
[01:07] <mrmarcel> cya
[01:07] <mrmarcel> gn8 :)
[01:09] <mrmarcel> gn8 @ all
[01:11] <thehil>  does anyone know if there is a syntax highlighting GUI for umb-scheme?
[01:30] <tecknozic> hello
[01:31] <tecknozic> I've no sound in kubuntu
[01:31] <tecknozic> can somebody help me ?
[01:32] <jbasilio> tecknozic: any more info than no sound?
[01:33] <tecknozic> using kubuntu
[01:34] <tecknozic> I've a gigabyte motherboard with an integrated sound chipset
[01:34] <jbasilio> and your saying that after the install you don't have sound, but you've never had sound, right?
[01:35] <tecknozic> exactly
[01:36] <tecknozic> any idea ?
[01:36] <jbasilio> run kinfocenter and look under "sound"
[01:38] <tecknozic> i'm on it
[01:38] <tecknozic> what detail could help you ?
[01:39] <tecknozic> my sndcard is a NVidia CK8S with ALC850
[01:39] <jbasilio> what does it say next to sound driver?
[01:39] <tecknozic> 3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA v1.0.6 emulation code)
[01:39] <jbasilio> ok.  how about card config?
[01:40] <tecknozic> NVidia CK8S with ALC850 at 0xfd001000, irq 21
[01:40] <jbasilio> ok. looks like it detected it.  can you run kmix?  see if you have anything muted
[01:41] <tecknozic> nothing muted
[01:42] <jbasilio> hmm.  go to a console and type alsamixer.  make sure your volumes are pushed up
[01:42] <jbasilio> also, from command line type "ps -ef | grep arts" ... anything running?
[01:43] <tecknozic> everything up in alsamixer
[01:44] <tecknozic> I typed the command...
[01:44] <jbasilio> ok.  weird.  in kcontrol have you restarted the sound server and run a sound test?
[01:45] <tecknozic> I restarted the sound server, ran a sound test, but no sound
[01:46] <jbasilio> no warnings or anything?  try killing the process from command line.  restart by just typing artsd
[01:47] <tecknozic> unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/mcop-ronan/localhost_localdomain-2179-433b2b74)
[01:47] <tecknozic> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[01:47] <tecknozic> device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy)
[01:48] <tecknozic> that's what is written with artsd
[01:50] <tecknozic> still there ?
[01:52] <jbasilio> sorry, in another tab.  ok.  well that says something then
[01:52] <jbasilio> not sure what yet.  lemme think about it.
[01:53] <tecknozic> ok thks
[01:58] <riddlebox> hello
[01:58] <riddlebox> has anyone gotten their wireless card to work?
[01:59] <Tonio-> riddlebox: I do
[01:59] <Tonio-> usong ndiswrapper
[01:59] <Tonio-> -> using
[02:03] <riddlebox> Tonio:how do you setup wep
[02:03] <jbasilio> tecknozic: apparently i can't send messages on your channel.  i thought i registered my nick but it says i haven't
[02:03] <tecknozic> nopb
[02:04] <jbasilio> tecknozic: do you have any other sound servers running?  esd perhaps?
[02:05] <tecknozic> i dont know
[02:06] <tecknozic> that's weird...
[02:08] <riddlebox> Tonio:how did you setup WEP?
[02:09] <musashiden> hey guys
[02:09] <musashiden> i need help really bad
[02:10] <musashiden> i just restarted my desktop and when it tried to come back up, the user interface did not appeared
[02:10] <jbasilio> musashiden: nvidia?
[02:10] <musashiden> yah
[02:10] <musashiden> but it was working just a moment ago...
[02:10] <jbasilio> try editing your xorg config file from nvidia to nv
[02:10] <musashiden> but why did it stoped working all of a sudden?
[02:11] <jbasilio> did you run any apt-get update stuff?
[02:11] <musashiden> no
[02:11] <jbasilio> since your last reboot?  nothing at all?
[02:11] <musashiden> nope
[02:11] <musashiden> it was just a normal reboot
[02:11] <musashiden> and now everything is like a terminal window, no user interface at all
[02:12] <jbasilio> graphical though?  i.e. x is starting up?
[02:12] <musashiden> it doesnt seems like it
[02:12] <jbasilio> do you have a mouse with an X or a big block
[02:12] <musashiden> a mouse?
[02:12] <musashiden> huh?
[02:12] <jbasilio> is your pointer a big X or a big white block
[02:12] <musashiden> there is no pointer
[02:12] <musashiden> is like a terminal window
[02:13] <musashiden> is like in windows when you boot up in msdos mode
[02:13] <jbasilio> i'm trying to figure out what you mean by "like" a terminal window.  it is or isn't.
[02:13] <jbasilio> ok.  sounds like it is.  edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change nvidia to nv
[02:13] <musashiden>  but why would it stop working all of a sudden?
[02:13] <jbasilio> can't explain why.  sounds like your nvidia driver crapped on you.  maybe try apt-get update apt-get upgrade
[02:14] <jbasilio> you should have a log from when X tried to start (assuming it tried to start)
[02:15] <musashiden> how do i access that log?
[02:15] <jbasilio> look in /var/log .. you should see log files like Xorg.*.log  the Xorg.0.log is the most recent one
[02:15] <jbasilio> i use vi .. i don't know what editor to recommend to you
[02:15] <jbasilio> pico maybe?
[02:16] <musashiden> ok
[02:20] <musashiden> hmmm
[02:20] <musashiden> i get this
[02:21] <musashiden> ror: temporary failure in temp resolution [fail]
[02:21] <musashiden> or something like that
[02:22] <musashiden> hello?
[02:22] <jbasilio> back .. sorry.  you mean when you start up pico or in the log?
[02:22] <musashiden> iam in the xorg.0.log now, what exactly am i looking for there?
[02:22] <musashiden> when i start up kubuntu
[02:23] <jbasilio> EE
[02:23] <musashiden> EE?
[02:23] <jbasilio> yeah.  EE comes before the error messages.  you should have any
[02:23] <jbasilio> well, maybe a couple saying what EE is .. but nothing that has an error in it
[02:24] <musashiden> ooh, yah, found it
[02:24] <musashiden> it says:
[02:24] <musashiden> NVIDIA: failed to load the nvidia kernel module
[02:25] <verden01> hey can anyone tell me the difference between 5.04 and 5.10 preview?
[02:25] <musashiden> jbasilioq: hello?
[02:26] <jbasilio> musashiden: sorry.  afk'ing intermittantly
[02:26] <jbasilio> musashiden: ok.  sounds like the kernel is f'ed up.  or the kernel module for nvidia
[02:26] <musashiden> so how do i fix it?
[02:27] <Alzabar> hi people
[02:27] <jbasilio> if you switch from nvidia to nv it'll let you load X.  from there i'd run synaptic and reinstall nvidia* stuff
[02:27] <musashiden> hwhats the command to reconfigure X?
[02:27] <jbasilio> sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:27] <musashiden> hurry! i gotta go!
[02:27] <musashiden> thanks
[02:28] <musashiden> thank you for your help
[02:28] <jbasilio> change nvidia to nv  (put a # in front of the line that has nvidia on it.  copy and paste the line and put nv on it instead)
[02:28] <musashiden> k
[02:28] <jbasilio> sure.  hope it works.
[02:28] <musashiden> me too
[02:28] <verden01> if i install kubuntu AMD64 can i still get java and flash to work?
[02:29] <jbasilio> verden01: if they are in the repository for amd64, yes.  don't know where to find that out though.  maybe peruse the .deb's on an iso?
[02:29] <jbasilio> my guess is yes ... they've probably been recompiled
[02:29] <verden01> thanx
[02:31] <verden01> can we get the kubuntu cd's free like ubuntu or do we have to pay for them?  BTW i don't mind paying.
[02:31] <jbasilio> i don't believe anyone does it for kubuntu.  i haven't seen a link on their page
[02:31] <verden01> k
[02:34] <jbasilio> tecknozic: did you fix your issue?
[02:34] <tecknozic> no
[02:34] <tecknozic> still without sound
[02:34] <jbasilio> tecknozic: last thing was "that's weird"
[02:35] <jbasilio> tecknozic: did you find another sound server running?  everything is loading correctly (it seems like)
[02:36] <jbasilio> tecknozic: is this a brand spanking new install you have?
[02:38] <tecknozic> what is "brand spanking" ?
[02:38] <tecknozic> I installed the system today
[02:38] <tecknozic> (i'm franch)
[02:38] <tecknozic> french
[02:38] <jbasilio> i won't hold it against you.  :)
[02:38] <jbasilio> this is breezy or hoary?
[02:39] <delltony> question: anyone know what the config file is for kmix to make it always default to the switch of pcm and unmuted?
[02:39] <delltony> switch=channel
[02:40] <jbasilio> brand spanking is just a silly saying ... i guess it is like a brand spanking new baby ... just emphasizing newness
[02:40] <jbasilio> delltony: i believe kmix saves its settings.  or you can force it to save settings and it'll restore them next time
[02:41] <delltony> alright well the question would be how
[02:41] <delltony> is it the kmixrc?
[02:41] <tecknozic> this is the hoary version
[02:41] <jbasilio> delltony: i take it when you quit and reload it isn't already being resurrected?  i think mine behaves that way.  as long as kmix starts on your desktop 'boot'
[02:42] <jbasilio> tecknozic: upgrade your kde to the latest stable (have you done that?  3.4.2
[02:42] <jbasilio> tecknozic: the kde that shipped with hoary stunk
[02:43] <jbasilio> tecknozic: http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[02:43] <delltony> well it defaults for me to 3D
[02:43] <tecknozic> I've gpt the 3.4.2
[02:43] <delltony> but only pcm works for me regardless of how many times i change it
[02:43] <tecknozic> got
[02:43] <jbasilio> tecknozic: just add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main to your /etc/apt/sources.list file.  do an apt-get update ... apt-get upgrade
[02:44] <jbasilio> delltony: you've gone into the 'switches' section of kmix?
[02:44] <tecknozic> ok i'll do that and come back later. thks
[02:44] <jbasilio> delltony: the other alternative is to use alsamixer directly
[02:45] <delltony> yeah, i set it up but it doesn't write the changes to the config file thats why ask which one it is
[02:45] <delltony> i'm assuming its kmixrc
[02:46] <jbasilio> delltony: weird.  i just flipped 2 switches and exited kmix.  opened it up again and the changes were persisted
[02:46] <delltony> same sessioin yes
[02:46] <delltony> different boot no
[02:46] <jbasilio> delltony: try alsamixer.  not sure what else to tell you ... don't know what it persists to
[02:47] <delltony> why alsamixer?
[02:47] <delltony> i can control volume fine
[02:47] <delltony> thats not the issue
[02:47] <delltony> the issue is making kmix default to the channel of pcm
[02:47] <delltony> so when i use the slider on it it will raise and lower that pcm
[02:48] <jbasilio> ok.  i don't understand what pcm means.
[02:49] <delltony> you have different ways of controlling sound
[02:49] <delltony> headphones
[02:49] <delltony> master volume
[02:49] <delltony> pcm
[02:49] <delltony> line in
[02:49] <delltony> so forth and so on
[02:50] <delltony> anyway you don't know thats cool
[02:50] <jbasilio> gotcha.  still don't understand problem.  i am curious as to what you are asking though.
[02:50] <delltony> okay let me try and explain it again :
[02:51] <delltony> you know that thing down in the system try that has a speaker on it
[02:51] <delltony> thats kmix
[02:51] <delltony> if you right click on it you see select channel
[02:51] <jbasilio> :)  yes
[02:51] <delltony> you then can select the channel in which your sound card uses
[02:51] <delltony> mine is a lappy so it uses pcm
[02:51] <konfuzed> ok so I fixed that new install to now activate eth0 with dhcp and its flyin
[02:52] <delltony> but by default it is set on boot to 3D
[02:52] <jbasilio> cool.  never did that before.  always 'just worked' for me on master
[02:52] <delltony> most do
[02:52] <delltony> but not all
[02:52] <konfuzed> is there a handy guide for installing win32 and other dozy software
[02:52] <delltony> thats why they changed it cause i filed a bug report a while back
[02:52] <delltony> and they finally changed it
[02:52] <jbasilio> cool.  excellent even.
[02:52] <jbasilio> but you are saying it doesn't stick on a reboot, right?
[02:53] <delltony> you win the golden wienner :) yes
[02:53] <jbasilio> i really don't want the award.  thanks though.
[02:54] <delltony> haha
[02:54] <delltony> its just i have told you that 4 times already ;)
[02:54] <jbasilio> thanks for explaining it ... sounds like the bug isn't fully fixed yet.
[02:54] <jbasilio> delltony: you are getting what you paid for.  i've helped a lot of ppl here already
[02:55] <tecknozic> see u later jbasilio, thks a lot
[02:55] <jbasilio> delltony: and i'm also working on other stuff too .. usually sound/kmix problems are different
[02:55] <jbasilio> tecknozic: see you.  good luck
[02:55] <tecknozic> thks
[02:56] <delltony> thats fine and sorry to sound like a butt its just i couldn't understand why you keep asking the same question
[02:56] <delltony> thanks for your help though
[02:56] <jbasilio> right.  well sometimes i'm thick too.  but i appreciate the re-explaining.
[02:57] <delltony> well its just been a long day at work and i guess you could say i was kinda taking it out on you
[02:57] <konfuzed> there wasnt enough validation that what was said was understood thats all
[02:57] <delltony> sorry about that
[02:57] <delltony> sorry
[02:57] <konfuzed> is there a handy guide for installing win32 and other dozy software?
[02:58] <jbasilio> no worries.  i wish i could help, i'm sure you'll find out how to persist it though
[02:58] <delltony> look into winetools wine or qemu
[02:58] <jsubl2> konfuzed: http://wiki.ubuntu.com has some docs on all that
[02:58] <delltony> i prefer qemu actually but make sure you compile kqemu accelerator
[02:58] <konfuzed> which of those works best on kubuntu for computer phobics
[02:59] <jbasilio> i'm outta here.  g'night gents (and delltony)  ;)
[02:59] <konfuzed> ;^)
[02:59] <delltony> otherwise it will be slow as crap
[02:59] <delltony> later man
[02:59] <konfuzed> mmmmmmmmm
[02:59] <delltony> only thing is qemu doesn't support usb
[02:59] <delltony> however there is a fix for that per say you can use usboverip
[03:00] <konfuzed> hm not much software actually requires usb though
[03:00] <konfuzed> I suppose some camera stuff does
[03:00] <konfuzed> the odd usb ram stick
[03:00] <delltony> yeah that and printers
[03:01] <delltony> i just wasn't sure what you were using winblows for
[03:01] <konfuzed> so then any software running under qemu can not print to usb printers or work with USB cameras or usb storage
[03:01] <delltony> generally though you can get winetools and wine to run alot of win32 apps
[03:02] <konfuzed> im not the computer phobic by the way
[03:02] <delltony> correct he qemu (emulator) doesn't support usb however they are working on a module for it
[03:02] <delltony> man if you own a pc and willing to learn them thats all you need to know
[03:02] <delltony> really how do you think "geeks" learn them honestly they set there and dive it
[03:02] <konfuzed> but I had this nice lady install kubuntu by herself in order to recover from an MS windows exploit
[03:03] <konfuzed> ;^)
[03:03] <delltony> crash it and make it burn
[03:03] <delltony> then get on a pc and go to google and forums and whatever and ask and then after you fix it a while you actuall learn it
[03:03] <konfuzed> I want to drag this lady through it slowly instead of all at once
[03:03] <konfuzed> ;^)
[03:04] <delltony> i hate to be bashing windows but this is the truth. at work they come to me daily saying their computer is screwed up
[03:04] <delltony> then ask me why mine is never messed up, i go linux baby linux
[03:04] <konfuzed> ive just never been very good at knowing if software is easy for first timers to use or not.
[03:05] <konfuzed> my new policy is to carry the installer around for all MS complainers
[03:05] <delltony> konfuzed if thats the case then your friend will be tldp.org
[03:05] <delltony> t.he l.inux d.ocumentation p.roject
[03:05] <delltony> also i think its sourceforge that has a lost script that gives you a tip every time you click it
[03:06] <konfuzed> as soon as they agree that they dont need to back up any of their data but they do need to get rid of their MS Problems for good
[03:06] <konfuzed> presto
[03:06] <konfuzed> pop goes the cd tray
[03:06] <jsubl2> how many you converted konfuzed
[03:06] <delltony> mine is have a copy of windows ultimate bootdisk
[03:06] <konfuzed> 2
[03:06] <jsubl2> you do this at work?
[03:06] <konfuzed> just got started
[03:07] <delltony> i have 3 people at work using linux
[03:07] <konfuzed> im on suse 9.3 for server testing
[03:07] <delltony> and i setup gentoo as a server for all our data
[03:07] <jsubl2> yeah suse 9.3 is what we use on the server side
[03:07] <delltony> and we use scp and ssh
[03:07] <delltony> and the ones that don't want to switch you cygwin
[03:08] <konfuzed> well im an independent consultant and service provider
[03:09] <delltony> i'm just an underpaid technomonkey
[03:09] <konfuzed> no employees just subcontractors and about 120 end users
[03:10] <konfuzed> delltony: I think that's what I said ;^)
[03:10] <delltony> haha i know the feeling
[03:10] <delltony> i mean i make good money but have to work my arse off for it
[03:11] <konfuzed> I work over time and dont really make good money
[03:11] <konfuzed> i m  too entreprenuerial
[03:11] <konfuzed> ;^)
[03:11] <delltony> well i'm a subcontractor too but i make sure the contract covers my estimated overtime or i don't do it
[03:12] <delltony> you live i the states?
[03:12] <delltony> in*
[03:12] <konfuzed> well my model is on small monthly service accounts and there is very little room to charge for my time
[03:12] <konfuzed> ;^(
[03:12] <konfuzed> I live in *
[03:13] <delltony> reason i say is i'm the programmer/IT specialist that installs and programs electric meters and gas meters and water meters to radio read
[03:13] <konfuzed> toronto
[03:13] <delltony> so basically each city i go to i eliminate about 25 jobs
[03:13] <konfuzed> hmmm
[03:13] <delltony> cause there is no need for a meter reader anymore
[03:13] <delltony> after i'm done
[03:13] <konfuzed> how bout that
[03:13] <delltony> cause they set behind a computer at the billing office and ht a button and it gathers all the reads
[03:13] <delltony> :)
[03:14] <jsubl2> pretty slick
[03:14] <delltony> you have a radio transponder that feeds to a centralized hub
[03:14] <delltony> and the hub is tied into the fiberoptic line
[03:14] <delltony> that is direct connect to the city
[03:14] <delltony> its cool as hell
[03:14] <konfuzed> so then you could turn all these devices into a national WiFi MESH Grid
[03:14] <jsubl2> folks working low end jobs can usually find another low end job
[03:15] <konfuzed> ;^)
[03:15] <delltony> one thing that is messed up though and i know someone else will figure this out
[03:15] <delltony> the meters are magnetic as in they have a magnet that makes a pulse to the register
[03:16] <delltony> well you take a speaker from your car and place it on top of the meter and it will read 0
[03:16] <konfuzed> 0 what
[03:16] <konfuzed> 0 paid
[03:16] <konfuzed> or 0 due
[03:16] <delltony> 0 reading as in the meter stops
[03:17] <delltony> 0 due
[03:17] <delltony> the meter stops so no usuage
[03:17] <delltony> hell i can't spell :)
[03:17] <konfuzed> this details are important ;^)
[03:17] <konfuzed> can anyone here spell 2600
[03:17] <delltony> and it will not show a tamper because its technically not tampered
[03:18] <delltony> 453 i think
[03:18] <delltony> anyone besides me have trouble with gaim staying connected to msn
[03:19] <sproingie> most meters i've seen are ensconced in a big chunk o' metal.  a regular speaker magnet will get through that?
[03:20] <delltony> well if its a master meter or a badger meter yes
[03:20] <delltony> neptune are old school
[03:20] <delltony> but it has a register on it that comes off and its simply a magnet
[03:21] <sproingie> you'd think they would be able to detect a stopped meter with a load still going across it
[03:21] <delltony> so north to north generates a backwards pulse if you follow me
[03:21] <delltony> no cause the only way it knows it has water is the magnet goes back and forth
[03:21] <sproingie> oh, WATER
[03:21] <delltony> it sets at north so water goes thru you get south to north so you get a pulse
[03:21] <sproingie> i was thinking electrical, and wondering how in hell that scheme worked
[03:21] <delltony> then it kicks back and so on
[03:22] <delltony> oh electrical you can put aluminum foil around the meter
[03:22] <delltony> creates electro magnetic interference
[03:22] <delltony> :)
[03:23] <sproingie> yah the same kind used in hats
[03:23] <delltony> only thing is you get caught its a federal offense
[03:23] <delltony> 15 years for a few gallons of water
[03:23] <delltony> hell no
[03:23] <sproingie> there's cheaper and more legal ways to "tamper" with the electric meter anyway.  like generating your own
[03:24] <delltony> u would be amazed at the stuff i find
[03:24] <delltony> when programming these things
[03:24] <delltony> guys take jumper cables and jump out the meter
[03:24] <sproingie> i suspect some farmers are more inclined to tamper with water meters
[03:24] <delltony> actually there was a guy that use to work with use stole a meter from us
[03:24] <sproingie> tho i imagine irrigation meters are different
[03:24] <delltony> and installed it in his house haha
[03:25] <delltony> can you say dumb arse
[03:25] <delltony> oh get this
[03:25] <delltony> they pulled one guys meter cause he kept on turning it  back on
[03:25] <delltony> well i go out to program the meters and notice this guy watering his grass
[03:25] <delltony> i pulled it up in the computer and go hell this guy doesn't have a meter what the hell
[03:26] <delltony> so i took a metal detector around his box the dude had taken and piped around the meter box to bypass the meter
[03:27] <delltony> crazy stuff
[03:27] <sproingie> heh
[03:30] <atty> hi. i need help. i did try to install azureus but fail. and inform E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[03:30] <atty> can anybody help me
[03:30] <crimsun> download the azureus jar manually
[03:32] <atty> i'm not good in linux
[03:32] <atty> can u assist me?
[03:32] <crimsun> do you already have a JVM installed?
[03:32] <crimsun> (either via a JRE or a JDK)
[03:32] <atty> yes
[03:33] <atty> i did.. my limewire running fine
[03:33] <crimsun> what processor?
[03:33] <atty> i'm using laptop
[03:33] <crimsun> what type?
[03:33] <atty> pentium III 1.0gbyte
[03:33] <atty> ram 256mb
[03:34] <atty> HDD 20g.byte
[03:34] <crimsun> so you need to download http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/azureus/Azureus_<IP_ADDRESS>_linux.GTK.tar.bz2?download
[03:36] <atty> brb - download
[03:36] <atty> ok finish download
[03:36] <crimsun> now extract it in your home directory
[03:36] <crimsun> then run it
[03:37] <atty> extract? using ark ?
[03:37] <crimsun> sure
[03:38] <atty> finish extract to my home directory
[03:38] <atty> so i can use it now?
[03:39] <crimsun> java -jar azureus.jar
[03:39] <crimsun> or something similar (I don't have the tarball)
[03:40] <atty> ic
[03:40] <atty> thanks crimsun... it running in upgrate now for az plugin
[03:42] <atty> anybody using qcad?
[03:46] <`Nomad> I just installed it recently, haven't used it.  Do you need something easy?
[03:47] <crimsun> (he /parted)
[03:47] <`Nomad> oops, missed it
[03:50] <philipacamaniac> anyone running the latest snapshot of Breezy?
[03:50] <crimsun> I'm current as of 4 minutes ago
[03:50] <crimsun> doesn't really count as a snapshot, but...
[03:51] <philipacamaniac> heh, that's what I meant
[03:51] <philipacamaniac> close enough
[03:51] <philipacamaniac> are the Kmenu icons bigger than before?
[03:51] <crimsun> no I idea, I'm in GNOME atm.
[03:51] <philipacamaniac> I booted into it, but only for about 30 seconds before I had to shutdown my laptop and go somewhere
[03:52] <crimsun> that's the precise situation I'm in currently
[03:52] <crimsun> this coffee shop is closing, so I have to migrate to another with wifi
[03:52] <jsubl2> philipacamaniac: i am current but running the 3.5 beta..  have not noticed anything on the kde icons
[03:52] <jsubl2> 3.5 beta of kde
[03:53] <philipacamaniac> I mean the standard Kubuntu install. I think the default size has been increased , which is cool. I just want to know for sure.
[03:53] <philipacamaniac> kde 3.4.2
[03:53] <jsubl2> sorry no idea
[03:53] <philipacamaniac> ah well, tomorrow then
[03:53] <philipacamaniac> :)
[03:53] <jsubl2> that is a configurable item i believe btw
[03:54] <philipacamaniac> yes, but the problem is that we were missing a specific size of crystal icons for most menu items (22x22, I think)
[03:54] <chavo> philipacamaniac, you can adjust the size of the kmenu icons, but it's not in the config dialog.
[03:54] <jsubl2> the 3.5 menu icons look good
[03:55] <jsubl2> there are still a few missing adept for one
[03:55] <philipacamaniac> noticed that
[03:55] <philipacamaniac> has it been created yet?
[03:55] <jsubl2> no idea
[03:55] <philipacamaniac> on kde-artists there was a request for one
[03:55] <philipacamaniac> hmm
[03:56] <philipacamaniac> has your 3.5 beta been pretty stable?
[03:56] <jsubl2> yeah except same old problems with konq is all i noticed..
[03:57] <philipacamaniac> you mean random crashes
[03:57] <jsubl2> some nice little features.. like the pager is nicer
[03:57] <jsubl2> yes random crashes with konq.. well normally only with streaming video.. i like to watch news videos off of sites like cnn for instance
[03:58] <jsubl2> old folks like news.. i am old
[03:58] <philipacamaniac> I like foxnews, ;p
[03:58] <philipacamaniac> well, not their website (horrid design)
[03:59] <jsubl2> hmm.  i will have to check it out.  cnn recently changed their format.. news videos are free again
[03:59] <philipacamaniac> that's cool
[03:59] <jsubl2> have always liked cnn and si.com
[03:59] <philipacamaniac> cnn videos work in konqueror?
[04:00] <jsubl2> do for me...  I hadn't tried their streaming video.
[04:00] <philipacamaniac> i'll go play with cnn
[04:00] <jsubl2> kmplayer i have to compile or get from  marillat.. probably misspelled  the debian video site
[04:01] <jsubl2> nice.. konq has some features i like.
[04:01] <jsubl2> which player do you use
[04:01] <philipacamaniac> kaffeine
[04:01] <philipacamaniac> w32codecs
[04:02] <jsubl2> i always have trouble getting kaffeine to work with wmv and asf type files
[04:02] <philipacamaniac> xine-engine, since I'm still in Hoary
[04:02] <delltony> where about in konquer can you find the option to make a folder view?
[04:03] <jsubl2> i read the faq on the kaffeine site and that did not help
[04:03] <philipacamaniac> the only trouble I've had is .mov files from my digital camera - sound is choppy
[04:03] <jsubl2> profile stuff
[04:05] <satafterh> Kubuntu 5.10 (Breezy) stable now?
[04:06] <jsubl2> is for me.. but there are still alot of changes going on.
[04:06] <jsubl2> i would recommend it unless you have a good feel of troubleshooting problems
[04:07] <satafterh> wwhat kind of changes
[04:07] <jsubl2> would not rathter
[04:07] <jsubl2> mostly to the xorg and core stuff.. kde 3.4.2 has been out a while and stable
[04:08] <delltony> anyone recall how to make konquer show you files like a windows tree view
[04:08] <jsubl2> i got the 3.5 beta just to see if konq would behave better
[04:08] <sproingie> delltony: it's one of the view buttons on the toolbar, "tree view"
[04:09] <satafterh> how is 3.5 working
[04:09] <chavo> delltony, go to View -> View Mode -> Detailed List View
[04:10] <jsubl2> good for me.. it was just the kde base and libs i believe.. all of it has not been released in beta 1.. although i did get kopete out of svn.. it has some enhancements i was hoping for.. buddy icon support for one
[04:10] <sproingie> more like explorer would be to hit f9 and click either home folder or the red folder
[04:11] <delltony> ok thanks
[04:13] <musashiden> hey yall, i need a little help here
[04:13] <musashiden> my nvidia driver is messed up, so i had to use nv instead nvidia in Xorg
[04:14] <musashiden> when i use nvidia, kubuntu loads up like when you reboot your windows computer in msdos mode
[04:16] <jsubl2> have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:17] <musashiden> how do i REinstall it?
[04:17] <musashiden> cause its already installed, its just messed up
[04:20] <sproingie> apt-get install --reinstall
[04:20] <cyne> who can tell me why Kontact in Kubuntu doesn't know where Aspell is ?
[04:21] <cyne> aspell
[04:21] <cyne> aspell is in /usr/lib/aspell
[04:21] <cyne> Kontact can't find it, says to modify PATH. I try path in the console and it says "bash: path: command not found"
[04:22] <musashiden> sproingie: for example apt-get install -reinstall nvidia-glx ?
[04:25] <claydoh> cyne: have you checked that aspell is installed?
[04:26] <claydoh> an probably aspell-<your lag>
[04:26] <claydoh> err aspell-<your language>?
[04:28] <cyne> claydoh: , aspell-en is installed
[04:29] <hydrogen> claydoh: "aspell-62" not availible :P
[04:29] <claydoh> nor is aspell-91 heh
[04:30] <cyne> claydoh: so what now?
[04:30] <claydoh> dunno, it finds mine OK :(
[04:30] <cyne> hmmm Kontact does?
[04:30] <cyne> when writing an email?
[04:31] <cyne> Kmail
[04:31] <claydoh> yes
[04:31] <claydoh> BUT I am using breezy and kde 3.5
[04:31] <claydoh> but it worked before for me as well
[04:32] <cyne> ok
[04:32] <cyne> damn
[04:33] <claydoh> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55209&highlight=aspell+kontact you are not alone
[04:33] <jsubl2> it is working for me... breezy with 3.5 kde.. i have installed apsell aspell-en and aspell15 according to adept
[04:35] <claydoh> try installing ispell
[04:35] <claydoh> kontact should look for that if it can't find aspell iirc
[04:36] <claydoh> well,
[04:36] <cyne> well i have an ispell within /usr/share/aspell
[04:37] <cyne> cyne@Zorro:/usr/share/aspell$ ./ispell
[04:37] <cyne> Ispell compatibility script for Aspell.
[04:37] <claydoh> nope, istall ispell from syaptic or from apt
[04:37] <cyne> ok
[04:37] <cyne> that's kynaptic :P
[04:38] <claydoh> :P synaptic is better, even for this kde guy
[04:38] <jsubl2> the latest kubuntu daily installs adept which works ok with search functions
[04:39] <claydoh> yeah, adept is coming along rather nicely
[04:39] <jsubl2> it is good enough that i have not installed synaptic
[04:39] <cyne> hey it works now claydoh  ;)
[04:39] <claydoh> sweet :)
[04:39] <jsubl2> i don't have all the gnome stuff.. gnome stuff is a waste of disk space for me
[04:40] <jsubl2> so i  am happy to see the improvements in adept
[04:40] <claydoh> I keep just enough gnome for checking out some gnome apps
[04:41] <claydoh> luckily synaptic has vew deps
[04:41] <claydoh> but it looks out of place :)
[04:41] <jsubl2> i may need synaptic yet.. who knows
[04:42] <jsubl2> normally i only need good search.. i use apt-get build-dep for getting dev libs
[04:42] <jsubl2> you can suck in a bunch that way
[04:43] <jsubl2> The music and film industries are taking a new approach in their efforts to thwart illicit file-sharing on the Internet. They are releasing free software that can detect and remove programs used on PCs to swap copyrighted tunes and movies.
[04:44] <cyne> does anyone know of a good linux software which opens Dreamweaver projects?
[04:45] <cyne> claydoh: for future reference, how do i uninstall a software in Kubuntu?
[04:45] <cyne> do i just use kynaptic?
[04:45] <cafuego> ubotu is currently not available due to a blown-up router, ubotu_ is a backup. The address char is ~. The real bot should be abck within an hour or so.
[04:45] <Xorlev> cyne: Crossover Office
[04:46] <cyne> bleh i don't want to run dreamweaver i want a linux alternative :P
[04:46] <cyne> or something which will convert the projects
[04:46] <Phily> cafuego: what is ubotu a bot? how does it work
[04:46] <Xorlev> cyne: Nvu
[04:46] <cyne> thankyou :)
[04:46] <claydoh> cyne: yes, you ca use that
[04:47] <cyne> thanks claydoh
[04:47] <cyne> will Nvu open my DW MX projects?
[04:47] <jsubl2> learn php
[04:47] <claydoh> cyne: i doubt it will
[04:47] <Xorlev> cyne: Just open the pages?
[04:47] <cyne> i have a degree in software engineering
[04:47] <cyne> :P
[04:47] <jsubl2> sorry my mistake
[04:48] <cyne> hehe it's ok
[04:48] <Xorlev> cyne: I don't think it will open the project files with FTP info a such...Nvu is a nice, lightweight editor.
[04:48] <jsubl2> i like php for web dev
[04:48] <Phily> does anyone know how to setup digital cam or usb mass storage so when they show up on desktop u can click it to open the directory, this is the only thing stopping my gitldrined from using linux
[04:48] <Xorlev> PHP is a server-side scripting language :P
[04:48] <cyne> Xorlev: i don't care about that, i just have a client with a site which was made with DW templates
[04:49] <cyne> Phily: use Kubuntu
[04:49] <jsubl2> Phily: and digikam
[04:49] <Phily> I am running kubuntu
[04:49] <jsubl2> my wife uses and like digikam
[04:49] <jsubl2> apt-cache search digikam
[04:49] <Xorlev> cyne: Ooh...yeah, not sure about that. You could always just open in firefox or something and rip it back.
[04:49] <Xorlev> cyne: Or upload and wget mirror it.
[04:50] <Phily> the mass storage device soes automaount and an icon does show up on desktop but if u double click I get an error message
[04:50] <jsubl2> whats the error message
[04:50] <Phily> wait i'll retry
[04:51] <cyne> Xorlev: true.. it's ok i have access to the files themselves, just that the DW templates control every page... e.g. side nav bar. So that in DW i can change some text in the nav bar and DW goes and changes all the pages with the nav bar in it.
[04:51] <cyne> it wouldn't be a problem if i could just convert the templates to some other linux software
[04:52] <cyne> i'm sure i'll work something out :)
[04:52] <Xorlev> cyne: Just make separate pages for the nav bar and use a simple php include for it. <?php include("file.html"); ?>
[04:53] <Xorlev> Its how I do my pages. I make an include dir and include php files which have my header, footer, nav bars, etc.
[04:53] <Phily> jsubl2: /media/sda1 is a folder but a file was expected
[04:53] <cyne> yeah me too
[04:53] <cyne> Xorlev: actually that's a great idea, because the template parts are easily ripped out with regex
[04:53] <jsubl2> Phily: hoary or breezy
[04:53] <zyzy> HI ALL
[04:54] <zyzy> oopppss
[04:54] <zyzy> hi all
[04:54] <cyne> HI ZYZY
[04:54] <cyne> :)
[04:54] <Xorlev> Hello zyzy
[04:54] <Phily> jsubl2: hoary I,m not ready for breezy
[04:54] <Xorlev> Meh I need to crack down and learn more advanced regex.
[04:54] <zyzy> :D
[04:54] <hydrogen> regex is evil.
[04:54] <cyne> Xorlev, trust me i've been to regex hell and back... it's great :)
[04:55] <cyne> i had to migrate a plain text excel spreadsheet where the users had been entering in data in a random format into a database system
[04:55] <cyne> well, quite a number of spreadsheets actually
[04:55] <jsubl2> Phily: have you used that camera with other distros.. my camera worked out of the box... course i bring up digikam and it has a detect camer thingy.. don't use the media://sda1
[04:56] <cyne> Xorlev: it was quite a challenge to write regex's that would cover every situation. And even then we had to send back the ss to the client in order for them to correct a bunch of the data
[04:56] <Phily2> jsubl2: I have no problem mounting the camera (even auto mounting)
[04:56] <Xorlev> cyne: Heh, that sounds like it sucks.
[04:56] <zyzy> i find kubuntu very interesting, unfortunately, i have to switch back to windows, so this would be my second and last day in this kubuntu chat room
[04:56] <cyne> zyzy, don't do it!
[04:57] <Xorlev> zyzy: Why?
[04:57] <Phily2> jsubl2: the problem is using the desktop icons to navigate the mounted camera or any other removable media
[04:57] <zyzy> i have to finish my vb project
[04:57] <Phily2> zyzy: why not dual boot
[04:57] <zyzy> yea, ive thjought of that
[04:58] <jsubl2> Phily2: oo  sorry to bother.. i don't use that method.. i start digikam then plugin the camera.. never had an error message... sorry i wasted your time
[04:58] <Xorlev> zyzy: VB runs fine on a Windows install on VMware.
[04:58] <zyzy> really?
[04:58] <Xorlev> zyzy: Indeed.
[04:58] <zyzy> well, i was just starting to try out linux, so im not really familiar
[04:58] <zyzy> hmmm
[04:58] <Xorlev> I just moved completely to Linux a month ago.
[04:59] <zyzy> how is it?
[05:00] <Xorlev> Its...freeing
[05:00] <Xorlev> =)
[05:00] <cyne> i changed over 2 days ago
[05:00] <zyzy> freeing eh
[05:00] <Xorlev> And I feel secure. I don't worry too much about intrusions or virii.
[05:00] <zyzy> :D
[05:01] <zyzy> yeah, heard of that thing about linux
[05:01] <cyne> i can't find Nvu within Kynaptic
[05:01] <Xorlev> Virii can't survive in Linux the way its setup.
[05:01] <Xorlev> http://www.nvu.org I think.
[05:01] <cyne> i remember las time i used linux there was a kick ass IDE for php
[05:01] <zyzy> im thinking, once i finish my vb proj, im gonna switch back completely to linux
[05:01] <cyne> i don't remember what it was called
[05:01] <zyzy> but we have this philippine version which is bayanihan linux...a version of the redhat
[05:01] <Xorlev> zyzy: Theres a nice little basic language called purebasic thats portable from Windows and Linux.
[05:01] <jsubl2> quanta maybe.. now quanta is kdewebdev
[05:01] <cyne> zyzy... have you searched for alternatives? there may be something in linux that can open your vb projects
[05:02] <Xorlev> cyne: Zend Studio
[05:02] <Xorlev> I had in Windows, and now in Linux.
[05:02] <zyzy> i havent
[05:02] <cyne> Xorlev: hmmm Zend is for windows i believe, its a different one?
[05:02] <zyzy> ive just tried linux for  days
[05:02] <zyzy> lol
[05:02] <zyzy> but its interesting
[05:02] <zyzy> there things i dont understand, but theyre intriguing
[05:02] <Xorlev> cyne: Build on java, so its portable. They released versions for both.
[05:03] <Xorlev> Built*
[05:03] <cyne> hmm yes it's also commercial
[05:04] <cyne> i'm looking for freewares presenlty
[05:04] <cyne> presently
[05:04] <zyzy> #bayabihan
[05:04] <zyzy> #bayanihan
[05:04] <Xorlev> Zend is a cash cow, so I'd have little guilt in using unsavory means of acquiring it, even if I did buy it.
[05:05] <cyne> zyzy: look here: http://www.tucows.com/downloads/Linux/DevelopmentWebAuthoring/Languages/
[05:05] <Xorlev> To be honest, I got my key free from my job :P
[05:06] <cyne> fair enough
[05:06] <izut> Hi there. Do you know how can I disable the fancy nautilus-like konqueror file selection?
[05:06] <cyne> linux.tucows.com has plenty of linux software
[05:06] <cyne> izut, file selection?
[05:07] <Xorlev> zyzy: Give PureBasic a whirl.
[05:07] <cyne> izut, why would you want to do that?
[05:07] <cyne> izut, if you want nautilus, install ubuntu
[05:07] <izut> cyne: I don't know how can I say that... The file selection in the root menu.
[05:08] <cyne> izut, konqueror is integrated in every part of kubuntu.. you're better off installing ubuntu if you like gnome instead
[05:08] <izut> No no no
[05:08] <izut> :)
[05:08] <izut> I want to disable the fancy mouse selection from konqueror... I prefer the old fashioned way.
[05:09] <izut> Without translucence and stuff (I'm using KDE 3.4.2 - Breezy)
[05:09] <cyne> don't use the mouse then :)
[05:09] <izut> Heh.
[05:09] <cyne> use the keyboard if you want old-fashioned
[05:09] <izut> Is that selection slow there too?
[05:09] <cyne> i don't know :P
[05:09] <cyne> did you try looking in the control center ?
[05:09] <izut> Press Ctrl-Alt-D
[05:10] <izut> Then press the mouse button on root window... Leave the button pressed and the move the mouse.
[05:11] <izut> You'll see a square used for selection (blue borders and translucent inside).
[05:11] <cyne> right
[05:11] <izut> Did you get it now?
[05:11] <cyne> yes
[05:11] <izut> It is really slow here, when I got huge squares.
[05:11] <cyne> well mine isn't a square, it is a dashed-square with no fill
[05:11] <Phily2> izut: how do you get a translucent box
[05:12] <izut> Phily2: I'm using Breezy.
[05:12] <izut> KDE 3.4.2
[05:12] <Phily2> izut: ok
[05:13] <izut> I want to revert to the dashed-square with no fill :)
[05:14] <claydoh> so you enabled the shadows and translucency?
[05:14] <claydoh> and can't find where the settings are?
[05:14] <izut> Hrm. I think it is enabled by default in Breezy...
[05:14] <claydoh> not here
[05:15] <claydoh> I had to turn it on
[05:15] <Phily2> can u install kde 3.4.2 on hoary
[05:15] <izut> claydoh: Where did you turn it on?
[05:15] <claydoh> but you ca find it in the control center
[05:15] <claydoh> under
[05:16] <izut> claydoh: Thanks :)
[05:17] <claydoh> under Desktop/window behavior
[05:17] <claydoh> *if* it hasn't changed from 3.4.2 to 3.5 beta
[05:17] <claydoh> or moved rather
[05:18] <izut> It is unmarked :(
[05:18] <claydoh> dunno then
[05:18] <izut> claydoh: Thanks anyway. Have to go bed now. Cya!
[05:19] <jsubl2> Phily2: check out http://kubuntu.org  look at the items on the right side of the page
[05:21] <Phily> jsubl2: Thanks
[05:22] <jsubl2> glad it helped
[05:26] <zyzy> Xorlev, thanks
[05:27] <zyzy> ill try it
[05:28] <Phily> jsubl2: updrading kde 3.4 to 3.4.2
[05:28] <Phily> jsubl2: download 96 megs
[05:29] <jsubl2> cool
[05:29] <jsubl2> 3.4.2 is nicer imho
[05:31] <Phily> jsubl2: I can't seem do find a changelog on kde to see the difference between the two versions
[05:32] <jsubl2> not sure where to find that
[05:33] <jsubl2> http://kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_4_1to3_4_2.php
[05:36] <Phily> jsubl2: Thanks but I was actually looking at it right now
[05:36] <jsubl2> :)
[06:01] <brad> hey
[06:02] <brad> anyone ther
[06:03] <crimsun> no. yes.
[06:10] <Phily> jsubl2: how again do you activate the selection box thing
[06:13] <jrattner1> can i use info from xev to link keys in KDE?/
[06:33] <moj0rising> Hello!\
[07:02] <McScruff> lo
[08:38] <joe_hehehe> hhi
[08:51] <elev> moro
[08:51] <elev> HALOOO!?
[08:51] <nikkia> morning elev
[08:51] <elev> hello someone from finland??
[08:51] <nikkia> not me
[08:51] <elev> morning from where are you?
[08:51] <nikkia> UK
[08:52] <elev> oh nice one
[08:52] <elev> whats the clock in US?
[08:52] <elev> tiem
[08:52] <elev> TIME*
[08:52] <elev> UK i mean sry*
[08:52] <elev> :DDD
[08:52] <nikkia> 7:50am
[08:52] <elev> holy shit!'
[08:53] <elev> ere in finland the time is 09:53
[08:53] <elev> wAS?
[08:53] <nikkia> and not a good start to the day, either, just had to fight with the rediculousness that is the 'Mk II jewel case'
[08:53] <elev> oh no :D
[08:54] <nikkia> elev, ever had to deal with one?
[08:54] <nikkia> they're like normal jewel cases, but child proof
[08:54] <nikkia> 18 trillion pressure points that have to be held down as you pull it open, grrr
[08:54] <elev> noo :D
[08:55] <elev> oh shit youre in trouble
[08:55] <elev> :D
[08:55] <nikkia> (my first DVD-A disc just came in the post, and DVD-A's use the 'advanced jewel case'
[08:55] <elev> Cuul :D
[08:56] <nikkia> on top of that, the email server at work has decided i no longer exist
[08:56] <nikkia> 'No such mailbox: INBOX'
[08:57] <elev> WAS!?!?!?!?!?!?
[09:01] <elev> how old are you?!
[09:01] <nikkia> you should know better than asking a woman her age, though if you must know, 34
[09:02] <elev> WAS?!?!??!? 34 :D holy holger aderssen :D
[09:50] <cyne> what's a good kubuntu ftp client?
[09:50] <CaiN_SA> gftp
[09:50] <cyne> nar that's g
[09:50] <cyne> gnome
[09:51] <crimsun> just use konqueror's built-in?
[09:51] <cyne> oh!
[09:51] <cyne> can you resume?
[09:57] <cyne> how do i download only certain filetypes? can i restrict the konqueror view to only certain file types?
[09:58] <crimsun> I don't know if you can resume via ftp, but I don't see why not
[09:58] <crimsun> that's more ftpd-dependent
[10:13] <mornfall> --> school
[10:22] <kairu0> hey all
[10:23] <kairu0> i'm running kubuntu hoary. can anyone quickly tell me what version of scim kubuntu breezy preview is using?
[10:23] <crimsun> 1.0.2-3?
[10:24] <kairu0> cool thanks
[10:25] <kairu0> it always segfaulted on me with colony 3 so i wanted to make sure its been updated
[10:57] <Chameleon22> i am getting an error message from xine: source seems to be encrypted when i try to play a dvd i bought and it plays fine in a normal dvd player... ideas?
[10:58] <ph8> region chipped?
[11:00] <ph8> konqueror's SIGSEV'ing on breezy when i try to start it
[11:00] <ph8> how would i go about reinstalling it? i can't deselect it as that would remove kdebase as well..?
[11:01] <whoiam> ph8: re-install konqueror
[11:02] <ph8> cmd not found
[11:02] <ph8> ?
[11:02] <whoiam> ph8: open shell
[11:02] <ph8> yes..
[11:03] <whoiam> then type sudo apt-get remove konqueror and press enter
[11:03] <whoiam> then you have to type your root password
[11:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> whoiam: He said he can't do that without taking kdebase along for the ride as well
[11:03] <whoiam> then again type sudo apt-get install konqueror and press enter
[11:05] <whoiam> ph8: press y no problem
[11:05] <ph8> won't i lose the kdebase and all my settings though?
[11:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> whoiam: He wants to reinstall JUST konqueror, not kdebase
[11:06] <whoiam> no
[11:06] <whoiam> Rogue_Jedi_X: apt is not going to remove kdebase actually
[11:06] <ph8> it says it is
[11:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whoops, nevermind then
[11:06] <whoiam> read "After unpacking 8462kB disk space will be freed."
[11:11] <ph8> that hasn't fixed my konqueror
[11:20] <cyne> i want to know how to expand the directories in tree view in konqueror
[11:21] <cyne> all at one time
[11:21] <cyne> anyone got an idea?
[11:23] <whoiam> cyne: try pressing * on /
[11:27] <cyne> doesn't work `:/
[11:28] <cyne> i want to download only .html and .php files from an ftp site... how can i do that with konqueror?
[11:28] <cyne> or kubuntu
[11:28] <The_Vox> use wget
[11:31] <cyne> wget?
[11:31] <cyne> ok
[11:36] <cyne> The_Vox: actually i need to get php and htm and html and jpg and gif and css and .txt except that many are not linked so can't be spidered with wget
[11:37] <cyne> The_Vox: i have FTP access to the site
[11:41] <The_Vox> use ncftpget
[11:42] <Tm_T> ssh!
[11:42] <god-zero> sorry, I'll login quieter next time
[11:42] <The_Vox> Tm_T: ssh for ftp access?
[11:43] <Tm_T> ftp is a bit unsecured imho
[11:43] <Tm_T> sftp/ssh2 ;)
[11:43] <The_Vox> ftp is absolutely not secure...but that has nothing to do with the question he asked
[11:43] <burepe> I am setting up a server with a faq from http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.04_p3 and there is a section on "Edit /etc/apt/sources.list And Update Your Linux Installation" and in the /etc/hosts file my host (I think) is called Ubuntu because I didn't change it during the install. How can I change the computer name? can I just do it in thisfile?
[11:43] <Tm_T> The_Vox: I know
[11:44] <Tm_T> hmm, breezy...
[11:44] <eolo> hi guys, i'm getting crazy in having an rtl8201 working with amd64bit ubuntu...someone had the same problem??
[11:44] <ph8> change it in that file
[11:44] <ph8> hostname <compname>.yourdomain.com
[11:45] <ph8> and /etc/hostname
[11:45] <ph8> which should also be <compname>.yourdomain.com
[11:45] <burepe> ok how do I changet the comp name
[11:45] <burepe> ?
[11:45] <ph8> and the dns for <compname>.yourdomain.com should resolve to that machine both ways
[11:45] <ph8> make one up?
[11:45] <ph8> my company servers are called rigel, mintaka and prodigy
[11:45] <ph8> so i set them up as above with rigel.mydomain.com
[11:46] <burepe> I don't have a domain yet, should I leave the file alone?
[11:46] <ph8> is this for a desktop?
[11:46] <ph8> It's not so important with desktops, just use sysname.localdomain or something
[11:46] <burepe> Just to get clear, I can change the comp/server name in this file?_
[11:47] <ph8> as long as you follow it up with the cmds above
[11:47] <ph8> never change the 'localhost#
[11:47] <ph8> * localhost
[11:47] <ph8> but that's it really
[11:47] <ph8> you could delete the line if unsure or even just leave it
[11:47] <ph8> But localhost is the important one
[11:50] <burepe> I'm a little confused. There is a line that says <IP_ADDRESS> localhost.localdomain     localhost          ubuntu
[11:50] <ph8> i see
[11:50] <burepe> Ubuntu is what the comp was called by default
[11:51] <burepe> I didn't change it
[11:51] <ph8> you could delete the ubuntu if you want, but you don't have to. localhost and localhost.localdomain should always stay there
[11:51] <burepe> should I?
[11:51] <burepe> ok
[11:51] <ph8> i don't think it'll make any difference although the safe option is too leave it as it is
[11:52] <burepe> then I am settin the ip address at this like <IP_ADDRESS>     ubuntu.example.com     ubuntu
[11:52] <burepe> I put thoes ubuntus in there
[11:52] <burepe> can I change them?
[11:52] <ph8> you shouldn't have two ubuntu aliases
[11:52] <ph8> why are you doing that?
[11:53] <burepe> because I don't understand
[11:53] <burepe> the faq says
[11:53] <burepe> <IP_ADDRESS>       localhost.localdomain   localhost       server1
[11:53] <burepe> <IP_ADDRESS>   server1.example.com     server1
[11:53] <burepe> Mine says ubuntu
[11:53] <ph8> that's odd
[11:53] <ph8> server1 is obviously <replace with your server name>
[11:54] <burepe> thats what I mean
[11:54] <burepe> is my servername ubuntu?
[11:54] <ph8> if you want it to be
[11:54] <ph8> My machine's called serenity
[11:54] <ph8> because i'm a geek
[11:54] <burepe> can I change it to anything?
[11:54] <ph8> i don't see why not
[11:54] <ph8> i don't think spaces are a good idea
[11:55] <burepe> I just watched that show for the first time
[11:55] <ph8> the movie?
[11:56] <burepe> so then in thoes two lines I can change all the server1 the name that I pick?
[11:56] <ph8> yes, but only the servername
[11:56] <ph8> the hostname (or FQDN) would be servername.yourdomain.com
[11:56] <god-zero> the 192.168... line looks superfluous
[11:56] <ph8> i agree
[11:56] <ph8> but if it's in the faq.. ! :p
[11:57] <nikkia> god-zero: it is, and it isn't :)
[11:57] <nikkia> modern libc will resolve round-robin on /etc/hosts....
[11:57] <Tm_T> hullo
[11:57] <god-zero> If you're on dhcp, <IP_ADDRESS> isn't guaranteed
[11:57] <nikkia> so, if you have a service that is listening on the outside IP address (192...) then the first host in /etc/hosts won't connect, and it'll round-robin onto the next
[11:58] <burepe> What I am doing right now is making a static ip
[11:58] <god-zero> k
[11:58] <nikkia> that's not to say i'd recommend having duplicate host names in /etc/hosts, but it does work
[11:59] <burepe> when I opend the file the first line was this <IP_ADDRESS>       localhost.localdomain   localhost       ubuntu
[11:59] <burepe> does that mean that ubuntu is my server name?
[11:59] <nikkia> burepe: you're looking at this wrong
[11:59] <burepe> I know
[11:59] <nikkia> burepe: the contents of /etc/host say nothing about what your system is configured as, its just a mapping from a name to a IP
[12:00] <god-zero> yes, typing "ubuntu" into koqueror would try to read your port 80
[12:00] <nikkia> apache can be a real pain if you access it with a name that it isn't configured to listen for
[12:01] <burepe> so my server name is ubuntu, right? can I change that? if so where?
[12:01] <nikkia> (eg, virtual directory access in absense of a index.html, it'll redirect to the listing, and possibly fail)
[12:01] <ph8> essentially in the /etc/hosts file
[12:01] <ph8> but also the hostname command (man hostname)
[12:01] <ph8> and /etc/hostname
[12:03] <god-zero> isn't apache's default rules to except all requests as *default www path*/index.html? that was how it acted for me.
[12:03] <burepe> so if I change the servername to woohoo then what would I change this example line from the faq to? <IP_ADDRESS>   server1.example.com     server1
[12:04] <MeMyself> hi
[12:04] <ph8> i wouldn't include that line, does the faq not justify it?
[12:05] <burepe> what do you mean by justify?
[12:05] <MeMyself> i don't understand this thing
[12:05] <ph8> provide reasons for putting that line in
[12:05] <burepe> did you see the faq?
[12:05] <god-zero> are you trying to set up multiple virtual web hosts on one box?
[12:05] <burepe> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.04_p3
[12:05] <burepe> I don't think so
[12:06] <burepe> I don't know
[12:06] <burepe> I want to set up a server and I am using this faq
[12:06] <ph8> i see
[12:06] <ph8> the faq looks a bit bleh
[12:06] <ph8> (bleh - technical term)
[12:06] <burepe> yeah
[12:06] <burepe> really
[12:06] <ph8> <IP_ADDRESS> is meant to be your static IP address
[12:06] <burepe> ?
[12:07] <ph8> which makes much more sense
[12:07] <burepe> yeah
[12:07] <burepe> thats what I did
[12:07] <ph8> so what's your static ip address? ;)
[12:07] <burepe> that 100 jazz
[12:07] <ph8> i doubt that's your static ip address
[12:07] <burepe> i set it by the faq
[12:08] <burepe> are you looking at the faq?
[12:08] <ph8> yes
[12:08] <ph8> you can't change your static ip address like that
[12:08] <ph8> it's not something you can set in a configuration file, it's defined by your ISP
[12:08] <ph8> you're likely to get seriously problems with your current config
[12:08] <burepe> not my router?
[12:09] <ph8> Are you configuring a desktop machine or a server?
[12:09] <god-zero> that's a class c domain, the router should work as lon as the first 3 fields match
[12:09] <burepe> desktop machine that I want to make a server
[12:10] <ph8> All i know is that 192.168* is a local subnet, which i didn't think would work as a static IP
[12:10] <burepe> oh
[12:10] <ph8> You might have to find someone with more experience
[12:10] <burepe> ha
[12:10] <burepe> omoshiroi
[12:10] <god-zero> the <IP_ADDRESS> line, that's the line that gives aliases to the loop back, anything on that line is ignored when dealing with the outside world
[12:11] <burepe> so what should I do?
[12:12] <burepe> start over
[12:12] <burepe> f the faq?
[12:12] <god-zero> so if you were on that actual machine, and typed "ubuntu" into konqueror, it will read your local port 80 (<IP_ADDRESS>:80), but other machines will not be able to refer to your machine as "ubuntu"
[12:14] <god-zero> the <IP_ADDRESS> line says "on the ethernet card with address <IP_ADDRESS>, I an known as *fillintheblank*"
[12:14] <burepe> when I do that it says error occured while loading http://localhost.localdomain
[12:14] <god-zero> port 80 isn't open
[12:14] <god-zero> try 127.0.01
[12:14] <god-zero> prolly will fail unless
[12:15] <burepe> type that in to konquer?
[12:15] <god-zero> apache is listening, and you have a /var/www/http/index.htmp
[12:15] <god-zero> any browser on local machine
[12:15] <burepe> error
[12:16] <god-zero> so, start apache, give it a test page to serve
[12:16] <god-zero> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:16] <burepe> I don't think I even installed apache
[12:16] <god-zero> that's kinda importaint
[12:16] <burepe> I just installed the desktop, firefox and went tothis faq
[12:17] <god-zero> you want to serve web, right?
[12:17] <burepe> yeah
[12:17] <burepe> ha
[12:17] <burepe> I know i will need apache
[12:17] <god-zero> just making sure
[12:17] <burepe> but I was following the faq
[12:18] <burepe> lets say I wanna play baseball and I've seen it, but I don't know the rules, so I'm reading a book. That's where I am right now. metaphorically
[12:19] <god-zero> that howto is rather complicated
[12:19] <god-zero> simpler:
[12:19] <burepe> ok
[12:19] <burepe> do you know another
[12:21] <god-zero> apt-get install apache2, start the daemon, put a test page in it's path
[12:22] <god-zero> the you can use konqueror, "localhost" or <IP_ADDRESS> to see it
[12:23] <burepe> ok one sec. I changed the /etc/network/interfaces file  the line that says iface eth0 inet static    static used to be different, was it dhcp?
[12:23] <burepe> just don't want to mess things up
[12:24] <chx> how can i make one line out of two in KATE?
[12:25] <god-zero> dhcp
[12:26] <god-zero> delete the <cr>
[12:26] <burepe> cr?
[12:26] <burepe> I don't follow
[12:27] <god-zero> the delete <cr> was for chx, I misses the fact he wasn't you]
[12:27] <burepe> ok
[12:27] <burepe> sorry
[12:27] <god-zero> lol, I got confused for a sec
[12:28] <cyne> how do i specify multiple file specs within gftp?
[12:28] <chx> god-zero: d'oh I meant in regular expression replace
[12:29] <chx> nalioth: hi
[12:29] <burepe> god-zero: so I downloaded apache2. how do I start the deamon and put a test page in its path
[12:30] <burepe> ?
[12:30] <chx>   /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[12:30] <chx> but apt-get should start it for you
[12:30] <god-zero> it should be on.. I'm doing the same because last time I did this was a different distro
[12:30] <chx> and drop a html into /var/www i think
[12:31] <god-zero> the install put in a test page
[12:31] <god-zero> just brows to <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:31] <god-zero> or localhost
[12:31] <god-zero> if you get a page, so far so good
[12:32] <burepe> I'm confused
[12:32] <burepe> how do I start it?
[12:32] <god-zero> it's started
[12:33] <god-zero> you ar now a web server
[12:33] <nikkia> morning nalioth
[12:33] <burepe> I browsed to 127.0.1 and got an error
[12:33] <god-zero> just open *browser* to page <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:33] <chx> let me reformulate: how can i make a regular expression which creates one line out of two in KATE?
[12:34] <god-zero> 2 0s
[12:34] <chx> anyone has something to RTFM on how to set up a cache only DNS? I tried once recently, but failed :(
[12:34] <chx> google spits up bind4 and bind8 docs.
[12:34] <gdh> there's 'dnsmasq' for that ...
[12:34] <burepe> god-zero: error
[12:35] <god-zero> theres a good bind8 conf out there
[12:35] <nalioth> nikkia: good day :)
[12:35] <miguser> hi
[12:35] <god-zero> burepe: browse to "localhost"
[12:35] <burepe> erroer
[12:35] <DarkMaul> when updating with Kubuntu i can select many kernels
[12:36] <DarkMaul> why are they all showed
[12:36] <Tm_T> why not
[12:36] <nalioth> DarkMaul: choices
[12:36] <DarkMaul> worng choise and reinstall
[12:37] <god-zero> can you type "ps -A | grep apache" into a console... see if it's running...
[12:38] <burepe> just returned
[12:38] <god-zero> no lines like "10425 ?        00:00:00 apache2"?
[12:39] <god-zero> burepe: was the output empty?
[12:39] <chx> there are two packages that are kept back. how could cause apt to forget them?
[12:39] <cyne> i'm trying to specify multiple filespecs in gFTP like *.htm and *.php in the remote frame... any ideas as to what i can use for the seperator between filespecs?
[12:39] <burepe> yeah
[12:39] <chx> they are working fine and I do not want to update
[12:40] <burepe> no
[12:40] <burepe> there was an error with my security repostitories when I downloaded
[12:40] <klone> hello
[12:40] <nalioth> chx: dependencys not available would be one reason
[12:40] <klone> can sum1 give me a hand please
[12:41] <burepe> do you think that could be it?
[12:41] <god-zero> k, apache isn't running then. try "sudo apt-get install apache2"
[12:41] <cyne> klone, what's up
[12:41] <god-zero> again
[12:41] <klone> im having trouble installing firefox
[12:41] <cyne> klone, why would you use it when Konqueror is there? :P
[12:42] <klone> it says i havent got libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[12:42] <god-zero> burepe: ok
[12:42] <klone> i like firefox
[12:42] <god-zero> yes, what error?
[12:42] <miguser> klone: using breezey, hoary?
[12:42] <klone> not sure :S
[12:43] <miguser> d'oh!
[12:43] <chx> nalioth: I know the reasons, the question is , how could I make apt forget about those packages :) ?
[12:43] <klone> error loading shared libraries
[12:43] <nalioth> klone: are you using backports?
[12:44] <klone> i dont know
[12:44] <klone> im a newb
[12:44] <nalioth> chx see the wiki for "apt pinning"
[12:44] <burepe> failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com'
[12:45] <burepe> and failure downloading a package
[12:45] <nalioth> klone: have you visited ubuntuguide.com
[12:45] <god-zero> oh, the site goes down from time to time for a few minutes... we'll try again in say 10? mins.
[12:46] <chx> nalioth: thanks
[12:46] <burepe> ok cool
[12:46] <burepe> thanks for your help
[12:46] <god-zero> burepe: hoary or breezy?
[12:46] <burepe> klone: there is a kubuntu faq too
[12:46] <burepe> hoary
[12:46] <klone> where
[12:47] <cyne> i'm trying to specify multiple filespecs in gFTP like *.htm and *.php in the remote frame... any ideas as to what i can use for the seperator between filespecs?
[12:48] <cyne> or any other way to get multiple filespecs from ftp site?
[12:48] <nalioth> klone: i asked about ubuntuguide because it is BAD
[12:50] <god-zero> burepe: try "sudo apt-get update && apt-get install apache2"   .... I'll brb.... cigarette....
[12:52] <uwe> l
[12:54] <inc|freaky> hi all, i got a problem. i just installed kubuntu and i like it allready. but im trying to install yakuake (a terminal emulator popping down at the top of the screen) when i do ./configure it says: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check --> what package am i missin?
[12:55] <Tm_T> adept is funny
[12:56] <Tm_T> I selected 21 packages to get removed
[12:56] <Tm_T> well, it started to remove 101 packages
[12:56] <Tm_T> including gstreamer & co
[12:56] <Tm_T> lovely
[12:57] <gdh> yup, that sounds like a laugh-a-minute to me.
[12:57] <Tm_T> gdh: =)
[12:57] <Tm_T> but hey, ctrl-c sotpped it :p
[12:57] <Tm_T> so no harm done
[12:58] <god-zero> burepe: I'm back. did "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install apache2" work?
[12:59] <burepe> no
[12:59] <burepe> still get the security error
[12:59] <burepe> maybe the repos are wrong
[12:59] <burepe> is there somewhere I can check them or get newones
[12:59] <burepe> or a mirror
[01:00] <burepe> or something
[01:00] <god-zero> if you pastebin you sources.list, I can look at em
[01:01] <god-zero> pastbin.com ...... /etc/apt/sources.list ....
[01:01] <tigermb> how do i get the konqueror sidebar back?
[01:01] <god-zero> tigermb: f9
[01:02] <god-zero> burepe: sorry typo, it's pastebin.com
[01:02] <tigermb> thx
[01:03] <tigermb> and is it possible to get konqueror working in gmail?
[01:03] <god-zero> tigermb: not fully, no.. but basic stuff works
[01:03] <burepe> I think i know what the problem is
[01:04] <god-zero> burepe: k
[01:04] <tigermb> a pity
[01:04] <god-zero> tigermb: I tried masquarading.. but it doesn't work
[01:04] <tigermb> yea i find that out also
[01:05] <tigermb> i would prefer konqueror to use the mozilla engine for browsing
[01:05] <tigermb> cuz mozilla doesnt integrate nicely in kde
[01:06] <god-zero> I think the prob is on gmail's end...
[01:07] <burepe> god-zero
[01:07] <god-zero> yes
[01:07] <tigermb> yea but i prefer gecko engine
[01:08] <burepe> since i started that faq I can't get on the net. I didn't realize it
[01:08] <tigermb> and it's easy to blame gmail, while everything works with opera, mozilla, ie
[01:08] <god-zero> I was wondering about that
[01:08] <burepe> that jazz with the ip address
[01:08] <god-zero> yep
[01:08] <gdh> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20040911-4175.html
[01:08] <gdh> not sure if anything came of this
[01:08] <burepe> can you look at the faq and tell me how to undo what I did
[01:08] <burepe> ?
[01:10] <god-zero>  Edit /etc/network/interfaces .... change static bach to dynamic... delete extra lines (ip addr etc)
[01:10] <burepe> dynamic not dhcp damn
[01:10] <burepe> ha
[01:11] <burepe> I knew something was fishy
[01:11] <god-zero> dhcp
[01:11] <god-zero> dhcp is dynamic
[01:11] <god-zero> I type as I speek in my head... not so good over irc
[01:13] <burepe> i did nothing changed
[01:13] <burepe> i restarted the network too
[01:15] <god-zero> should be "iface eth0 inet dhcp".... then "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[01:15] <god-zero> man is tha faq messed up
[01:15] <god-zero> how is you host file?
[01:17] <god-zero> really you only need "<IP_ADDRESS>   localhost.localdomain  computername" and maybe the ip6 stuff
[01:17] <burepe> nothing
[01:17] <burepe> maybe that is the problem
[01:17] <god-zero> get rid of the <IP_ADDRESS> line
[01:17] <god-zero> you want mine?
[01:18] <burepe> i never changed mine
[01:18] <burepe> I was going to but when you told me it was messed I just closed the file with out saving
[01:18] <god-zero> so your host file is still normal?
[01:18] <burepe> yeah
[01:19] <burepe> weird
[01:19] <burepe> huh
[01:20] <burepe> I think I got it auto eth0 is missing
[01:21] <god-zero> burepe: can you type in "hostname" for me & type the output here?
[01:21] <god-zero> 1 thing at a time
[01:21] <burepe> fixed it
[01:21] <god-zero> ?
[01:22] <burepe> auto eth0 was missing
[01:22] <god-zero> in etc/network/interfaces?
[01:22] <burepe> above where I changed static to dhcp
[01:22] <burepe> yah
[01:22] <god-zero> k
[01:22] <burepe> added that now it works
[01:23] <god-zero> can you goto google.com?
[01:23] <burepe> google.co.jp
[01:23] <burepe> being I am in jp
[01:23] <god-zero> k
[01:24] <burepe> apache is installing
[01:24] <god-zero> great!!
[01:25] <god-zero> once it's done, konqueror "<IP_ADDRESS>" to see the test page
[01:26] <burepe> index of/
[01:26] <god-zero> I love the internet.. when I was a jid I'd never get the chance to chat with someone from japan
[01:26] <god-zero> good
[01:26] <burepe> yeah
[01:27] <burepe> where are u?
[01:27] <god-zero> jid -> kid
[01:27] <god-zero> minnesota
[01:27] <burepe> oh
[01:27] <burepe> infact
[01:27] <burepe> i started a linux users group here
[01:27] <burepe> got like 5 people but it kinda fell apart
[01:28] <burepe>  and while i have been talking to you somebody joined and i  have been talking to him on our channel
[01:28] <burepe> he is from pennsilvaniya
[01:28] <burepe> sp?
[01:28] <burepe> and I am from connecticut
[01:28] <burepe> it is a really small world
[01:28] <burepe> the internet is crazy
[01:29] <god-zero> you're a transplant?
[01:29] <burepe> yeah
[01:29] <burepe> japanese and linux
[01:29] <burepe> i must be sadistic
[01:29] <DarkMaul> how do i install my nvidia under kubuntu
[01:29] <god-zero> lol
[01:29] <burepe> i was just joking about that with the other guy
[01:30] <burepe> japanese no problem, linux that is hard
[01:31] <god-zero> gotta be joking.. the japanese have somany odd customs, I'd be afraid of offending them every 12 seconds
[01:31] <burepe> i get that stuff
[01:31] <burepe> its natural for me
[01:32] <DarkMaul> ne body able to help ore what ?
[01:32] <god-zero> darkmaul: I have ati.... I'm sure someone'll be by shortly with the info you need
[01:36] <god-zero> burepe: your web page is in /var/www/apache2-default... you can read the man pages in konqueror address="man:apache2" if you set port forwading on your router for port 80 to your pc, you'll be able to host www on the web
[01:41] <nalioth> ubotu: tell DarkMaul about nvidia
[01:41] <DarkMaul> omg
[01:41] <DarkMaul> how good
[01:41] <DarkMaul> :-)
[01:44] <burepe> cool
[01:45] <DarkMaul> so easy
[01:45] <DarkMaul> hehehe'
[01:45] <burepe> how do I set port forwarding? I have a Japanese router and I can't find directions for it. I tried to do it for bittorrent. Any suggestion?
[01:45] <god-zero> are the controls in english?
[01:45] <god-zero> what brand?
[01:46] <burepe> no
[01:46] <burepe>  it is a
[01:47] <nalioth> burepe: visit portforward.com
[01:47] <burepe>  buffalo air station something
[01:47] <burepe> hold on
[01:48] <god-zero> my old neighbor had a buffalo wifi I 'd "borrow" from time to time.. :)
[01:51] <burepe> ok
[01:51] <burepe> this is the page http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Buffalo/WLAR-L11-L/BitTorrent.htm
[01:51] <god-zero> The basic idea is www is on port 80, so you want to forward incomming requests to the ip address of your pc. Alternately you can set up a "DMZ" which is complete/forward everything
[01:53] <burepe> Im not sure if it was this page but the thing that I read said that since I had to use a static ip address that everytime I restarted my comp I would have to reforward the ports
[01:53] <burepe> or something
[01:53] <burepe> which seems crazy
[01:53] <god-zero> you can read your current ip addr by typing ifconfig eth0. Dynamic ip isn't as dynamic as it sounds
[01:53] <burepe> this is english but the japanese interface looks the same but it lacks some of the parts for that the directions ask for
[01:54] <burepe> this is the page that lists programs faqs for that router, which one should I followhttp://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Buffalo/WLAR-L11-L/WLAR-L11-Lindex.htm
[01:56] <god-zero> http
[01:56] <DarkMaul> uhmm it seems like the driver is installed
[01:56] <DarkMaul> but dos not work'
[01:56] <burepe> ok Ill try
[01:56] <DarkMaul> could it be a problem that i instaled a newer kernel
[01:56] <burepe> thanks for your help god-zero
[01:57] <god-zero> darkmaul: yes, updating your kenel will gum it up ... rinstall nvidea stuff
[01:57] <burepe> after that do you have any suggestions about installing mysql, cpanel and drupal
[01:57] <burepe> is there a faq I can follow? or
[01:57] <burepe> something
[01:57] <burepe> ?
[01:58] <god-zero> mysql is simply a apy-get, but then you cave to do some post install setup
[01:58] <burepe> ok
[01:58] <havoc> what is drupal?
[01:58] <god-zero> cpanel: never used.. proly just a apt-get, plus forward another port?
[01:59] <P3L|C4N0> drupal is a CMS
[01:59] <havoc> cpanel should just run on port 80
[01:59] <havoc> P3L|C4N0: thanx
[02:00] <god-zero> burepe: apt-get those, read up on em, but come back here to ask questions rather than relie on those funky howtos... (man was that one bad... grr)
[02:02] <burepe> ok
[02:02] <ppd> hi
[02:03] <burepe> what is a cms
[02:03] <burepe> ?
[02:03] <ppd> who can I add an entry to my "right click on desktop" menu for "konsole"?
[02:03] <havoc> content management system
[02:03] <ppd> how
[02:03] <burepe> yeah
[02:03] <god-zero> burepe: after apt-get, man:package name for more info. cms=content management system
[02:03] <burepe> ok
[02:04] <burepe> thanks
[02:04] <burepe> for real thanks alot
[02:04] <burepe> you too havoc
[02:04] <god-zero> np
[02:05] <havoc> burepe: um, ok :)
[02:07] <DarkMaul> that nvidia install dosnt work
[02:07] <DarkMaul> glxgears gives me nothing
[02:08] <god-zero> ppd: I don't think there's a setting for that... you have to be in a folder
[02:08] <god-zero> *i think*
[02:10] <DarkMaul> okay found it
[02:10] <DarkMaul> it didnt turn on 3d accel
[02:10] <DarkMaul> how do i turn that on
[02:11] <DarkMaul> bah this is prolly that breezy edition interfering
[02:12] <god-zero> Darkmaul: I know with an ati, you have to reboot to get the right kernel setup (ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work)
[02:12] <Tm_T> :p
[02:13] <DarkMaul> everything that is new, brings new errors
[02:13] <DarkMaul> lol
[02:13] <havoc> I had to use the fglrx driver w/ my ATI to get crap working right
[02:13] <havoc> otherwise it would lock up hard whenever any 3d crap was dispalyed
[02:14] <ppd> god-zero: thanks. I was eating ;-)
[02:14] <DarkMaul> iam downloading the 5.04 version
[02:14] <god-zero> havoc: I tried to do window compositing & transparency/shadows with fglrx. Scarry.
[02:14] <havoc> god-zero: didn't work?
[02:15] <havoc> god-zero: this is on the breezy preview, which I guess had a lot of xorg bugs
[02:15] <havoc> like the ati driver :)
[02:15] <god-zero> compositing worked, shadow/transp fubarred. compositing slows down gl a good bit
[02:15] <god-zero> I'm on breezy + 3.5 b1
[02:16] <mornfall> Tm_T: there's this big glaring "preview changes" button in the toolbar
[02:16] <Tm_T> mornfall: ?
[02:17] <mornfall> Tm_T: re adept
[02:17] <Tm_T> mornfall: yu, showed 21
[02:17] <Tm_T> if I remember right
[02:17] <mornfall> Tm_T: uhmpf?
[02:17] <Tm_T> I'm glad I use apt-get all the time :p
[02:18] <mornfall> *shrug*
[02:18] <Tm_T> so I really don't use gui, just wanted to try it
[02:19] <god-zero> havoc: my breezy + kde 3.5 beta 1 = extra special wierdness
[02:19] <havoc> god-zero: I don't even know what version I have right now
[02:19] <Tm_T> =)
[02:21] <havoc> my primary workstation used to be mandrake, is now breezy preview, but I've been using my winxp workstation since I installed breezy cuz a C# project got dumped on me :(
[02:21] <havoc> so I haven't had a lot of time to play with it other than getting it workign and installing KDE
[02:21] <god-zero> does anyone have a good guess when kde 4 will roll out? fall 06?
[02:21] <inc|freak> hm
[02:22] <Tm_T> god-zero: a year from tomorrow
[02:22] <havoc> god-zero: qt4 was just released recently, right?
[02:23] <god-zero> qt4 came out ths spring?
[02:23] <havoc> hmm
[02:23] <god-zero> Tm_t: at what time? lol
[02:24] <aitor> hi
[02:24] <aitor> has any of u make an hp3420 work under kubuntu?
[02:25] <Tm_T> god-zero: prolly 1823 local time
[02:25] <aitor> should I use hpoj or hplip?
[02:26] <aitor> if I use hpoj it says detected hp 3420 but unable to communicate with it
[02:26] <god-zero> :) I'm not in the military anymore, so that's 6:23 pm for me
[02:28] <havoc> 18:23 is also sysadmin time :)
[02:28] <buz> is there any way to really make it use like 150MB of buffer?
[02:28] <buz> it keeps using burnproof all the time even though i have more than 400mb ram free
[02:29] <god-zero> I keep my clock set to gmt... old unix habit, military too... but that (again) was unix
[02:30] <havoc> god-zero: I used to have all my stuff set to GMT, but my users didn't like it so much, so I use local time now
[02:31] <god-zero> buz: yes... settings, configur k3b, writing, advanced
[02:31] <buz> i tried that
[02:31] <buz> it seems to ignore it
[02:31] <god-zero> burning isos?
[02:31] <buz> yes
[02:31] <god-zero> hrm
[02:32] <buz> growisofs still uses like 12mb ram
[02:32] <buz> and it keeps running out of buffer even with 2X dvd
[02:32] <god-zero> growisofs uses it's own settings
[02:32] <buz> is there something like growisofs rc?
[02:33] <god-zero> buz: do you have dma enabled
[02:33] <buz> yes
[02:33] <buz> that helped a bit
[02:34] <buz> but not enough
[02:34] <god-zero> no config file for growiso iirc
[02:34] <buz> if the buffer is only a few mb, even short disk accesses by other programs will let it run out
[02:34] <buz> man growisofs doesnt say anything about buffer
[02:34] <god-zero> 12 mb runs dry awfully fast, i know
[02:37] <god-zero> buz: I suspect something else. dvds shouldn't care about buffer underruns too much
[02:37] <buz> well the dvds are just fine
[02:37] <buz> it just takes muuuuch longer because of all the interruptions
[02:37] <buz> and it would be so easy to fix
[02:38] <god-zero> I suspect software or firmware problem
[02:38] <buz> the burner worked fine with nero on win
[02:38] <buz> in fact i might try nero linux
[02:38] <god-zero> if dma is on 8x works fine for me, no dma = 2x
[02:38] <buz> /dev/hdd:
[02:38] <buz>  IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
[02:38] <buz>  unmaskirq    =  1 (on)
[02:38] <buz>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[02:39] <buz> settings are just fine
[02:39] <god-zero> it's worth a shot, at least it'll eliminate some variables
[02:40] <buz> god-zero: is your drive with the iso being used for anything else?
[02:41] <god-zero> when I burn isos to dvd, the iso is in /home which in my case is hdb1, hdb2 is swap, but I have 1 gig so swap never sees action... so sorta
[02:41] <buz> mhh my swap is on the same disk
[02:41] <buz> but i never use it
[02:42] <buz> but even checking mail in thunderbird gives me a buffer underun at 4x
[02:42] <buz> well lets try nerolinux
[02:42] <god-zero> 4x dvd = 32x cd it is more demanding.. and yes a bigger buffer would make so much sence
[02:43] <buz> i mean nero uses 64mb by default
[02:43] <buz> that's just fine
[02:54] <DarkMaul> dudes
[02:54] <DarkMaul> witch kernal shoiuld i install
[02:54] <DarkMaul> linux-386
[02:54] <DarkMaul> linux-image-386
[02:55] <DarkMaul> linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[02:55] <DarkMaul> ?
[02:55] <god-zero> what cpu? do you want constantly updated kernel, or update manually
[02:56] <DarkMaul> it is during the install
[02:56] <DarkMaul> after the install i need to upgrade to a kernel that has SMP support
[02:56] <DarkMaul> i have a p4 3.2 ht
[02:57] <god-zero> get linux-686-smp for auto upgrade, linux - 2.6.xx-686 smp for manual upgrade
[02:58] <DarkMaul> yeah but thes are the choises i have during installation of kububtu 5.05
[02:58] <DarkMaul> ill update it later
[02:58] <god-zero> then it doesn't matter
[02:59] <god-zero> linux-386 i guess
[03:02] <havoc> anyone else use xawtv?
[03:03] <DarkMaul> ow nice that will take another 15 minutes, it needs to download 1088 mb's data
[03:04] <god-zero> a gig? You must be updating everything. a kernal is only a couple megs
[03:06] <apokryphos> sounds very strange to me; a full dist-upgrade is usually only around 400 megs
[03:07] <DarkMaul> hmm
[03:07] <DarkMaul> ill wait and see
[03:08] <god-zero> you didn't select the special "gentoo style" install did you? ;)
[03:08] <havoc> haha
[03:09] <DarkMaul> i selected the tab, SUSE-FC4-MANDRIVIA-KUBUNTU_to-1-DRIVE
[03:09] <nikkia> afternoon apokryphos!!
[03:09] <varg> hello
[03:10] <apokryphos> hey!
[03:10] <apokryphos> How's it going?
[03:10] <nikkia> not too bad, at least now
[03:10] <nikkia> start of the week was nasty, spanish people saying 'oh, this isn't quite right, btw, you have 10 minutes to fix it!'
[03:10] <varg> i have a question how to set a root password in kubuntu? :/
[03:11] <havoc> varg: sudo passwd root
[03:11] <apokryphos> time limits are annoying
[03:11] <klone> is there a startup command
[03:11] <klone> for kubuntu
[03:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: they were showing it at a madrid show this week
[03:12] <apokryphos> wellwell :D
[03:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: it end up ok?
[03:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: so wanted the code to be 'perfect' (ok, its minus a couple of features) before they left on tuesday
[03:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: i guess so, they didn't tell me anything like that, but...
[03:12] <klone> is there a startup command to edit what loads up
[03:12] <nikkia> a co-worker went over to visit them this week, he came back saying 'they love roulette and think it'll sell like crazy'
[03:12] <apokryphos> hahaha
[03:13] <havoc> klone: as in what KDE loads, or what starts at boot?
[03:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: you'll neeeever guess what the computer problem was down to
[03:13] <klone> what kde loads
[03:13] <klone> when i startup
[03:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: go on
[03:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: pretty embarrased actually; don't particularly want to mention it :P
[03:13] <havoc> klone: yeah, you can configure that in the control panel
[03:14] <klone> konsole loads up
[03:14] <klone> ok cheers
[03:14] <nalioth> nikkia: are you dressing the night cat again today?
[03:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: you didn't connect the 12v power connector for the CPU ?
[03:14] <nikkia> nalioth: ?
[03:14] <havoc> klone: by default it will reload any app that was still open when you logged out last
[03:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: well, I had an extra screw-holder (whatever they're called) on the case, so it was touching directly on the back of the MB oO
[03:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: ah, heh, been there
[03:15] <nalioth> nikkia is the cats pajamas
[03:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: these days, when i put a board in, i look for the obvious ground-plane screw holes first, then only place the spacers under those
[03:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: I was so annoyed when i heard. Can't BELIEVE the most trivial thing
[03:15] <nikkia> (i don't bother with any screw hole that isn't an obvious ground-plane one)
[03:15] <apokryphos> that's what I normally do (and thought I did); gah
[03:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: the guy showed my dad (I was at Uni, couldn't go down) some other MBs that had blown up/burnt because of that problem
[03:16] <apokryphos> luckily mine was ok, and now experiencing pacey 64-bit :P
[03:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: tbh, i'm still surprised that people are supplying metal spacers, i'd have expected them to switch to something non-conductive (nylon) ages ago
[03:16] <apokryphos> ezactly
[03:17] <klone> havoc: where is it under the control center?
[03:17] <havoc> I use the brass ones and have no probs, but I'm also careful to use only as many as there are screw holes in the MB
[03:17] <apokryphos> things are generally ok now; will just install Kubuntu and Windoze, then back off to Uni
[03:17] <havoc> klone: not sure
[03:17] <klone> ok
[03:17] <havoc> and I never use cases with fixed standoffs
[03:17] <god-zero> klone: system settings: user accounts
[03:18] <havoc> klone: hang on and I'll look
[03:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: btw, want to see something cool ?
[03:18] <havoc> nevermind :)
[03:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: atm, though, it's looking like I'm leavin' 'buntu altogether
[03:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: always
[03:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: http://narch.1.vg/~nikki/qt.png
[03:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: my Qt based knob widget :)
[03:18] <nikkia> (that looks nothing like Qt) :)
[03:19] <_freemanen_> how do play mp3 in kubuntu i get this error: There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[03:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: very.. knifty ;-)
[03:21] <gdh> you can't have enough knobs to twiddle.
[03:21] <nalioth> !tell _freemanen_ about mp3
[03:21] <_freemanen_> ?
[03:21] <havoc> _freemanen_: read what ubotu messaged you
[03:22] <Hagarke> I just tried to get the GTK-QT-Engine to work on Kubuntu 5.10 preview without success.  My GTK apps still look like GTK.  Is this a bug ?
[03:22] <apokryphos> Hagarke: did you restart kde?
[03:24] <feens_> is there much a speed difference between SATA and IDE in Linux?
[03:24] <klone> havoc: im having trouble findin this :s
[03:25] <nalioth> feens_: depends on your HD specs
[03:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: how many megs/sec would you get roughly if you transferred between two stats?
[03:25] <nalioth> feens_: and the things you do with the HD
[03:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: er.. satas
[03:25] <feens_> nalioth: basically, comparing two identical drives
[03:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: depends on the drive :)
[03:25] <nikkia> (s)
[03:25] <feens_> nalioth: both Seagate
[03:25] <_freemanen_> some codes dosen't seams to work on linux ppc?
[03:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: you're *probably* going to be limited by the read speed of the source drive (contary to what you'd expect, most modern drives can write faster than they can read)
[03:26] <apokryphos> hah
[03:26] <nalioth> feens_: i'm not sure the speed for IDE, but xferring large files (dvd images, etc) will be much quicker on SATA
[03:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: been transferring ounces of gigs and on average I'd say it goes around 5/6 meg/sec (IDEs)
[03:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'd imagine you'd get somewhere in the region of 50-60MB/s
[03:27] <apokryphos> if the reading-speed would limit it, it wouldn't transfer faster to the Sata-disk anyhow
[03:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: hmm, that's not right, i get 60-70MB/s sustained read on my SATA
[03:27] <nikkia> and about 75MB/s sustained write
[03:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: I meant between two IDEs (here), but I imagine it has something to do with the cable used, too
[03:28] <nikkia> my parallel drives get around 50MB/s sustained write
[03:28] <apokryphos> (one of them is an old one; don't know the technical names)
[03:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: ah, yes, shared cable == slow :)
[03:28] <inc|freaky> does any1 know how i can edit the kmenu? because the link to kcontrol suddenly disapeared and i want to readd it
[03:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: 40 pin vs 80 pin ?
[03:28] <feens_> nalioth: ya, I don't do a huge amount of large file stuff...I know that SATA isn't a huge gain over IDE, but wondered how good SATA was in Linux as well
[03:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: I know the new cable I've got is faster; only real difference (appearance-wise), seems to be the thin-ness
[03:29] <nikkia> feens_: the real advantage to SATA is... each drive has its own cable (not that hard to achieve with parallel, but..), and the fact that SATA drives *tend* to have bigger caches
[03:29] <apokryphos> well, colour too :P
[03:29] <nikkia> my SATA drive is 16MB cache, my parallel ATA are all 8MB cache
[03:29] <nalioth> any of you guys buy stuff online? what is a good etailer? (amazon is startin to get on my nerves)
[03:29] <feens_> nikkia: hmm...the drive I'm looking at is 8MB, I think my IDE one is too
[03:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: did that program run on your system btw?
[03:30] <feens_> nikkia: and I keep all IDE on separate cables
[03:30] <havoc> klone: hmm, I can't seem to find it either
 someone help me!!</whine>
[03:33] <havoc> nalioth: heh, you're very busy
[03:33] <havoc> I like it here a little better
[03:33] <DarkMaul> HAHAHA
[03:33] <havoc> less whining, less "this/that rules/sucks"
[03:33] <DarkMaul> it is a isseu with that breezy release
[03:34] <havoc> nalioth: I tried to help out a little yesterday
[03:34] <nalioth> havoc: great! but i asked a question (i guess nobody in here shops online)
[03:35] <havoc> doh, I was on a diff machine (KVM)
[03:35] <havoc> nalioth: buy.com and newegg.com are both reputable
[03:35] <havoc> newegg is generally cheaper
[03:35] <nalioth> i need a 4 port USB kvm
[03:35] <havoc> buy.com or newegg then
[03:35] <nikkia> nalioth: the belkin ones look alright
[03:35] <havoc> check newegg first
[03:36] <havoc> I use both, and actually just got stuff from newegg yesterday
[03:36] <nalioth> nikkia: belkin?
[03:36] <nalioth> nikkia: ah kvms (d'oh)
[03:37] <feens_> nikkia: how much a performance gain is software striping on Linux?
[03:37] <nikkia> nalioth: http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=202718&pcount=&Product_Id=183656&Section.Section_Path=%2FRoot%2FPeripheralSharing%2FOmniview%2E%2E%2ESwitches%2FDesktopSeries%2FSohoSeries%2F
[03:37] <nikkia> feens_: no idea
[03:37] <tecknozic> hi, I cannot create a new user, using kuser...
[03:37] <tecknozic> can somebody help me ?
[03:40] <DarkMaul> how do i change my monitior in kubuntu
[03:41] <nalioth> nikkia: HOLY GUACAMOLE! that belkin is pricy!
[03:42] <gdh> belkin always is. KVMs usually are. :)
[03:42] <havoc> nalioth: yeah
[03:43] <nikkia> nalioth: were you looking at the DVI version ?
[03:43] <nikkia> the VGA version isn't THAT badly priced, about $60 last i looked
[03:44] <nalioth> nikkia: i dont need video at all, just USB
[03:44] <nalioth> nikkia: nor audio
[03:44] <nikkia> nalioth: if you don't mind the disconnect/reconnects, there are USB switchboxes that are far cheaper
[03:45] <nikkia> (and are in fact, better, since you don't have the lousy key/mouse emulation that comes with USB KVMs usually)
[03:45] <nikkia> you often lose media keys, and mouse buttons > 3 on a KVM, because that's all the emulation does
[03:46] <nikkia> of course, X can be picky about USB HIDs disconnecting on it :/
[03:46] <gdh> http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=92019
[03:46] <gdh> ?
[03:47] <nalioth> nikkia: i'm lookin at iogear brand stuff now (i have a iogear 2 port now, it works well with mac)
[03:47] <gdh> Mind, I suppose that's about $60 - didn't notice the currency before :)
[03:47] <nikkia> gdh, thats not a bad price, i might get one of those (need a 3 port KVM 'soon' - for the PCs my boss promised me 3 months ago)
[03:48] <gdh> last PS2 4-port one we got from them was only about 30 with 4 sets of cables..
[03:48] <nikkia> well, only *need* 2 ports, 1 PC is gonna be linux :)
[03:48] <havoc> nalioth: iogear is good too
[03:48] <havoc> nalioth: you looking for sound too?
[03:48] <havoc> doh
[03:49] <knoppix> anyone know how to enlarge an ntfs partition using qtparted. Is this possible
[03:49] <gdh> nikkia: http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=11403328837&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=79401
[03:49] <gdh> cheaper, and with cables :)
[03:49] <nalioth> knoppix research "ntfsresize"
[03:49] <nikkia> 60% done :/
[03:49] <tecknozic> hello, I need help
[03:49] <tecknozic> to create a new user...
[03:50] <gdh> tecknozic: K -> System -> KUser ?
[03:50] <nikkia> gdh, doesn't say if its PS/2 or USB
[03:50] <gdh> nikkia: PS/2 of course :)
[03:50] <nikkia> gdh, given my keyboard and mouse are USB only...
[03:50] <gdh> ah, poor.
[03:50] <knoppix> nalioth = yes or write my own partition program.... I am asking if someone here knows how to do it and an answer like read everything you can come over on google does not answer the questoin
[03:50] <nikkia> gdh, no, i hate PS/2 :)
[03:50] <havoc> I want this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817107421
[03:51] <Hagarke> apohryphos: yes, i did restart kde
[03:51] <tecknozic> gdh : it doesn't work...
[03:52] <tecknozic> when I hit "OK", I have a kind of error message, and the new user is not created
[03:52] <nikkia> gdh, btw, you may have noticed that ebuyer have those belkin ones for 15+ :)
[03:52] <gdh> a kind of error message, eh? :)
[03:53] <gdh> nikkia: LOL didn't notice =) skipped straight to the 25+ page...
[03:53] <tecknozic> gdh : a window where they ask me if I wanr to report the bugs
[03:53] <nalioth> snappy fellow, does "ntfsresize" not resize ntfs partitions?
[03:54] <tecknozic> is there a "terminal" way to create a user ?
[03:55] <nalioth> tecknozic: "sudo adduser"
[03:55] <inc|freaky> how do i use gdm with kubuntu?
[03:56] <gdh> tecknozic: ouch - was there a picture of a bomb  when it asked you to report bugs?
[03:57] <tecknozic> yes
[03:57] <havoc> inc|freaky: why gdm, and not kdm?
[03:58] <havoc> inc|freaky: it doesn't really matter though, you can use either one
[03:58] <havoc> inc|freaky: when you install KDE it should ask you which display manager you want to use
[03:58] <havoc> at least it asked me
[03:59] <inc|freaky> i found the solution thx ...  gdm is better i think
[03:59] <inc|freaky> or, im just trying which one is the best
[03:59] <havoc> gdm and kdm are essentially identical
[03:59] <havoc> but both are way better than xdm
[04:03] <DarkMaul> damn
[04:03] <DarkMaul> kubuntu cant play mp3 normal
[04:04] <DarkMaul> oww
[04:20] <nikkia> hmmm
[04:21] <nikkia> that's really annoying, the dvd-r doesn't finalize discs by default, and the option to do it is hidden deep in the menus :/
[04:21] <nalioth> nikkia: which program are you using?
[04:21] <nalioth> nikkia: or is it a standalone appliance?
[04:21] <nikkia> nalioth: sorry, should have said 'dvdr' rather than 'dvd-r', its a standalone recorder
[04:21] <nikkia> nalioth: HDD/DVD recorder
[04:22] <nikkia> and obviously when they got the UI translated, they forgot about the dub screen :P
[04:22] <nikkia> 'press enter record/plyback continue, dub progress continue!'
[04:23] <nikkia> (which is only made more confusing by the message above it to 'hold enter cancel dub'
[04:27] <nalioth> at least its not in mandarin
[04:27] <nikkia> nalioth: true
[04:42] <JessicaX^> Hello, i just installed kubuntu on my laptop
[04:42] <JessicaX^> Problem is, i can't switch to root because it's not the same password - "Authentication failed"
[04:43] <morrow> there is no password for root
[04:43] <morrow> use "sudo"
[04:43] <JessicaX^> Also - KUser crashes when trying to enable root login
[04:43] <JessicaX^> oh?
[04:44] <JessicaX^> How do i use sudo?
[04:45] <havoc> !tell JessicaX^ about sudo
[04:45] <morrow> thx havoc. :)
[04:45] <JessicaX^> Thank you
[04:45] <havoc> np :)
[04:46] <havoc> ubotu is pretty slick
[04:46] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, havoc
[04:46] <JessicaX^> :)
[04:46] <havoc> well, maybe not *that* slick ;)
[04:46] <morrow> hehe
[04:47] <JessicaX^> :o
[04:47] <DarkMaul> make -f Makefile.cvs
[04:48] <DarkMaul> ./admin/cvs.sh: line 33: --version: command not found
[04:48] <DarkMaul> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
[04:48] <DarkMaul> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[04:48] <DarkMaul> yesss
[04:48] <DarkMaul> errors again
[04:49] <nikkia> 'KDE, it makes the sith cry!' :)
[04:49] <JessicaX^> :(
[04:49] <DarkMaul> its a real bummer
[04:50] <DarkMaul> why the **** every needs to give me a error
[04:50] <JessicaX^> o.O
[04:50] <DarkMaul> lol
[04:50] <DarkMaul> restarting K
[04:50] <DarkMaul> brbr
[04:52] <darkje> shrugs
[04:52] <darkje> still errors
[04:52] <morrow> why do you want to compile something?
[04:52] <StR> Hi all
[04:53] <havoc> hello
[04:53] <DarkMaul> because there is no base packet of the thing i need
[04:53] <morrow> which is?
[04:53] <DarkMaul> 2 things
[04:53] <DarkMaul> KFTPgrabber
[04:53] <DarkMaul> the New AMAROK
[04:54] <Drakeson> DarkMaul: amarok 1.3.1 ?
[04:55] <StR> the new amarok is really nice in 3.5b
[04:55] <blackflag> Hello all :-)
[04:55] <DarkMaul> 1.3.2
[04:55] <Drakeson> oh! that's pretty new ;)
[04:55] <blackflag> I have aproblem installing Kbear
[04:55] <blackflag> when I do "./configure"
[04:55] <DarkMaul> what is the command to see if you have the file
[04:55] <DarkMaul> ?
[04:55] <StR> I have 1.3.1 in 3.5b1
[04:55] <blackflag> then I get
[04:55] <Drakeson> have you did apt-get install build-essential?
[04:56] <blackflag> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[04:56] <blackflag> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[04:56] <DarkMaul> sorry ?
[04:56] <sproingie> how do i make konqueror not send a referer header?
[04:56] <Drakeson> do you have autoconf installed?
[04:56] <DarkMaul> yes
[04:56] <blackflag> but all QT's are installed
[04:57] <StR> blackflag:  install libqt4-dev
[04:57] <blackflag> but cant find the libraries
[04:57] <havoc> blackflag: why not apt-get install kbear ?
[04:57] <StR> what is kbear?
[04:57] <havoc> StR: nifty kde sftp/ftp app
[04:57] <StR> ahh IC
[04:57] <blackflag> kbear is not found
[04:57] <havoc> I prefer yafc personally
[04:57] <blackflag> kbewar is an ftp-client
[04:58] <StR> why don't you use   the konqueror?
[04:58] <havoc> blackflag: it's in universe/net
[04:58] <Drakeson> StR, I was about to ask the same question ;)
[04:58] <havoc> blackflag: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to enable universe
[04:59] <havoc> blackflag: you just need to uncomment the line for it
[05:00] <blackflag> I have it but dont get it
[05:00] <havoc> huh?
[05:00] <havoc> you have what?
[05:00] <blackflag> I have universe and multiverse since some days
[05:01] <havoc> did you do "apt-get update" after uncommenting those lines?
[05:01] <blackflag> yes
[05:02] <havoc> and "apt-cache search kbear" returns nothing?
[05:02] <blackflag> correct
[05:03] <jsubl2> !find kbear
[05:03] <ubotu> kbear: (Graphical ftp client for KDE), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-6 (hoary), Packaged size: 2498 kB, Installed size: 8568 kB
[05:03] <blackflag> h?
[05:03] <havoc> blackflag: try apt-get update again
[05:03] <blackflag> hmm, what is wrong?
[05:04] <havoc> blackflag: apt's cache is not correct
[05:04] <jsubl2> you sure you have universe uncommented in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:04] <havoc> jsubl2: I thought he said he did that?
[05:05] <blackflag> Okay apt-cache search gives now a result!
[05:05] <havoc> blackflag: you jsut do apt-get update?
[05:06] <blackflag> yes, and then apt-cache
[05:06] <havoc> yeah, sometimes update fails because apt is unable to completely download the sources list
[05:07] <blackflag> Im sure I have done it after I edit the sources.list
[05:07] <havoc> if you ever think that apt's cache is incorrect jsut run "apt-get update" again
[05:07] <_arthurb> Hi, I use breezy and I have a problem with kontact and kgpg... I reiceived an encrypted mail but I cannot open it, it keeps saying "bad passphrase"  withotu even prompting me for it
[05:07] <inc|freaky> when is the release of breezy?
[05:07] <havoc> inc|freaky: oct 13th I think
[05:07] <blackflag> Okay , thanks for help!! :-)
[05:07] <havoc> blackflag: no problem :)
[05:07] <inc|freaky> kewl ... and i can just update using apt?
[05:08] <_arthurb> inc|freaky: yep but expect problems
[05:08] <inc|freaky> what kind of problems?
[05:08] <_arthurb> flawless apt-get dist-upgrade is an ideal dream
[05:08] <_arthurb> you always run into some kind of conflict
[05:08] <_arthurb> and you better know how to use dpkg
[05:08] <inc|freaky> hope ppl in here can help me ;D
[05:08] <inc|freaky> i was using debian for a while
[05:08] <_arthurb> then I suggest apt-get install irssi-text
[05:09] <inc|freaky> what irc client do you all use?
[05:09] <inc|freaky> will do that ;)
[05:09] <inc|freaky> when i need to hehe
[05:09] <_arthurb> broke all my xorg installation
[05:09] <inc|freaky> _arthurb: what irc client are you using for kde?
[05:09] <inc|freaky> im using kvirc the actual cvs
[05:10] <StR> inc|freaky: have you seen konversation?
[05:10] <inc|freaky> my sound works and i got nvidia installed :D
[05:11] <inc|freaky> yea konversation isnt as good as kvirc imho
[05:11] <inc|freaky> kvirc best fits my needs :)
[05:12] <sproingie> konversation is also amazingly krashy
[05:12] <sproingie> i end up using chatzilla most of the time
[05:13] <_arthurb> inc|freaky: konversation
[05:13] <havoc> _arthurb: xorg is mostly broken anyway ;)
[05:13] <_arthurb> konversation never crashed for me
[05:13] <jsubl2> me neither
[05:13] <havoc> !find konversation
[05:13] <ubotu> konversation: (user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.16-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 2805 kB, Installed size: 8152 kB
[05:13] <havoc> hmmm
[05:15] <inc|freaky> kvirc didnt crash for me either
[05:15] <StR> !find kvirg
[05:15] <StR> !find kvirc
[05:15] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'kvirc' (4 shown): kvirc ;; kvirc-data ;; kvirc-dev ;; kvirc-doc.
[05:15] <inc|freaky> im using the actual cvs though much better
[05:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'kvirg' returned no results.
[05:16] <inc|freaky> ah thx for reminding me gotta install kopete (this is my first day with ubuntu)
[05:16] <jsubl2> StR: what kinda problems
[05:16] <havoc> !find kopete
[05:16] <ubotu> kopete: (Instant messenger program), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 4258 kB, Installed size: 14384 kB
[05:17] <StR> jsubl2: it connects to MSN, but after 2 seconts it get disconected
[05:17] <inc|freaky> btw, why is there no root account with ubuntu?
[05:17] <Drakeson> !tell hon about restricted
[05:17] <jsubl2> i use yahoo so I have not noticed that
[05:17] <havoc> inc|freaky: security I'd assume
[05:17] <havoc> inc|freaky: FYI: The account is there, it's jsut disabled
[05:18] <inc|freaky> btw, is it safe to be running kde4.2 using that mirror on the kubuntu website?
[05:18] <havoc> inc|freaky: you can enable it by setting a root apsswd
[05:18] <inc|freaky> of course the root-account exists ;D
[05:18] <inc|freaky> thx :)
[05:19] <inc|freaky> i dont know id use the same pass as for my user for root
[05:19] <inc|freaky> so im thinking about just keeping it as is
[05:19] <StR> weird... kopete works if the write to me... but crashes if I start a conversation
[05:19] <havoc> inc|freaky: it doesn't have to be the same password
[05:19] <havoc> or maybe I just misunderstood what you said
[05:20] <tecknozic> hello
[05:20] <inc|freaky> how to automatically activate the num-lock on boot?
[05:20] <tecknozic> how to install skype in kubuntu 5.4
[05:21] <inc|freaky> !find skype
[05:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'skype' (1 shown): (/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/C/common/menus/skype.xml) in text/ubuntu-docs.
[05:21] <inc|freaky> umm
[05:21] <inc|freaky> tecknozic: does it have a version for linux?
[05:22] <havoc> not in universe anyway
[05:22] <tecknozic> I downloaded the debian skype installation file
[05:22] <tecknozic> but I don't know how to install it
[05:22] <inc|freaky> you have a .deb file?
[05:23] <inc|freaky> if yes use dpkg -i file.deb
[05:23] <inc|freaky> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[05:23] <inc|freaky> lets all smoke a cig now ^^
[05:23] <tecknozic> ok, I try it
[05:24] <inc|freaky> good luck :)
[05:24] <havoc> inc|freaky: it's nice to be able to help people, huh? :)
[05:25] <inc|freaky> yea :)
[05:25] <inc|freaky> just need a lot of help myself so helping others out is just fair
[05:25] <havoc> takes a load off people like nalioth too
[05:25] <inc|freaky> yea
[05:26] <inc|freaky> i installed kubuntu because of its support for the actual kde and because the rest of the goals of ubuntu looked nice lol
[05:26] <inc|freaky> now i just like it
[05:26] <inc|freaky> was using debian etch before
[05:27] <inc|freaky> and am still using it on my server
[05:27] <havoc> I run deb on my servers
[05:27] <havoc> well, *now* I do anyway
[05:28] <havoc> I'm stardardizing on debian for servers and ubuntu for workstations
[05:28] <havoc> but it's a long process
[05:28] <havoc> I have many different machines right now
[05:28] <inc|freaky> havoc: the same as im going to do ;)
[05:29] <_pablo> does anybody of you know if there is a kubuntu version of the current ubuntu 5.10 colonial 5 perelease?
[05:29] <havoc> mandrake 9.0, 10.0, 10.2, and 10.2, a few FC4 machines
[05:29] <havoc> inc|freaky: it take sa long time to convert them all though
[05:29] <havoc> but it's something that needs to be done sooner or later
[05:30] <inc|freaky> mandrake doesnt install here it has some problems running the sata_nv.ko just stopping the installation process the same with debian sarge netinstall cd
[05:30] <havoc> _pablo: I'll take a guess and say 'yes'
[05:30] <inc|freaky> hehe, sure
[05:30] <inc|freaky> i liked mdk when it worked for me
[05:32] <jsubl2> _pablo: check out http://kubuntu.org
[05:33] <rikva> When I enable my microphone in Kmix I can hear the microphone, but I cannot record with it. Can someone help me?
[05:33] <havoc> rikva: click the button under the mic in kmix to set it as a record source
[05:34] <_pablo> jsubl2: Yes i visited this site but it seems there is only a iso of the last reselease which wondered me
[05:34] <rikva> havoc: it is setted as a record source
[05:34] <havoc> rikva: ah
[05:34] <rikva> any other suggestions? :)
[05:35] <jsubl2> _pablo: i see a link for the current stable 5.04 and current preview release .. scan the link on the right side
[05:35] <havoc> rikva: no, sorry :(
[05:37] <nikkia> rikva: have you adjusted the 'capture' level, it defaults to 0, which obviously results in recording nothing :)
[05:37] <havoc> nikkia: good idea :)
[05:37] <rikva> nikkia: how can i do that?
[05:37] <nikkia> rikva: select the 'input' tab, and drag the 'capture' slider from 0 to some value
[05:38] <nikkia> 50% or so usually works well, but it requires experimenting
[05:39] <inc|freaky> btw, yakuake is a good utility if anyone wants a console popping-down from top of the screen ;)
[05:39] <rikva> nikkia: nope, doesn't work :|
[05:41] <inc|freaky> i have a amd athlon 64 using i386 kernel, but should i use the -k7 kernel?
[05:42] <jsubl2> i do and it works fine
[05:43] <jsubl2> not sure there is a big difference in the two on  my machine as far as stability and performance
[05:43] <jsubl2> i have an amd64 3200+
[05:43] <inc|freaky> i got one 3500+ ;)
[05:44] <inc|freaky> k7 is amd optimized
[05:44] <inc|freaky> ill just install it now
[05:44] <inc|freaky> and reboot
[05:44] <jsubl2> I generally get the k7 kernel and restricted modules and nvidia-glx all at the same time
[05:45] <inc|freaky> jsubl2: did you have to change anything in the grub menu? does it get overwritten?
[05:46] <jsubl2> that was taken care of automagically
[05:46] <jsubl2> i can now see both kernels in the grub menu
[05:46] <inc|freaky> very good, thx :D
[05:46] <inc|freaky> which one became the default?
[05:46] <inc|freaky> the new installed k7 or the old one stayed?
[05:46] <jsubl2> k7.. the last one i installed
[05:46] <inc|freaky> very nice ^^ thx
[05:49] <tecknozic> I'm back with my Skype problem
[05:49] <tecknozic> There is an error message
[05:51] <inc|freaky> tecknozic: just tell us the error message ;)
[05:51] <tecknozic> It's written in french...
[05:51] <inc|freaky> translate it into english
[05:52] <nalioth> tecknozic: je parle un peut francais
[05:52] <nalioth> tecknozic: put it into a pastebin
[05:52] <tecknozic> dpkg: erreur de traitement de skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb (--install):
[05:52] <tecknozic>  ne peut pas accder  l'archive: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[05:52] <tecknozic> Des erreurs ont t rencontres pendant l'excution:
[05:52] <tecknozic>  skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb
[05:52] <havoc> geez, the guy speaks french too ;)
[05:52] <inc|freaky> im a native german speaker ;p
[05:53] <tecknozic> ok
[05:53] <inc|freaky> as youve probably noticed my english isnt that good
[05:53] <nalioth> inc|freaky: ist gut
[05:53] <inc|freaky> awkay ;D
[05:53] <nalioth> havoc: i'm full of surprises
[05:53] <tecknozic> any idea about this error ?
[05:53] <nalioth> tecknozic: there is no skype archive to be found
[05:53] <darkje> bradworst
[05:53] <darkje> :p
[05:53] <havoc> nalioth: yes, you are :)
[05:53] <inc|freaky> darkje: bratwurst that is in german ;)
[05:53] <darkje> eej
[05:53] <darkje> i tryed
[05:54] <nalioth> havoc: i speak several languages (much to the surprise of those in #ubuntu who'd talk nasty in those)
[05:54] <darkje> lol
[05:54] <tecknozic> okay, I wasn't in the good folder...
[05:54] <tecknozic> I tried again in the good one
[05:55] <tecknozic> here is what is written :
[05:55] <nalioth> tecknozic: have you tried building skype from source (or is it even open source?)
[05:55] <tecknozic> dpkg: erreur de traitement de skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb (--install):
[05:55] <tecknozic>  l'architecture du paquet (i386) ne correspond pas  celle du systme (amd64)
[05:55] <gdh> hehe :)
[05:55] <tecknozic> I don't know how to build it from sources
[05:56] <gdh> you can't build skype from sources :)
[05:56] <gdh> because there aren't any published sources to build from
[05:56] <nalioth> tecknozic: that one says you can use it on amd64
[05:56] <tecknozic> yes, I am
[05:56] <inc|freaky> brb rebooting into the new kernel
[05:56] <nalioth> tecknozic: then you are out of luck unless you want to change your architexture to 686
[05:56] <gdh> nalioth: No, it the deb is i386, the system is amd64... :)
[05:57] <tecknozic> What can I do ?
[05:58] <nalioth> tecknozic: gdh: this is why it is recommended for amd64 users to use a 686 kernel
[05:58] <gdh> tecknozic: You'd need to set up an i386 chroot ... there are docs giving details for that...
[05:58] <nalioth> there are very little programs available that run natively under amd64
[05:58] <tecknozic> do you have a link ?
[05:58] <gdh> tecknozic: Yep otherwise the reasons for Free Software become too painfully apparent :)
[05:58] <nalioth> gdh: chroot is hell
[05:59] <nalioth> gdh: esp for users who just want to "use"
[05:59] <nalioth> tecknozic: i recommend you change your box to use a 686 kernel
[05:59] <gdh> heh :) the price of freedom, etc.. pedantry ad nauseam...
[06:00] <tecknozic> what does "change your box" mean ?
[06:00] <gdh> means 'reinstall'
[06:00] <tecknozic> ok...
[06:00] <gdh> but don't use the amd64 ISO :)
[06:01] <tecknozic> with a x86 version of Kubuntu, is that right ?
[06:01] <nalioth> tecknozic: back up your home directory if you have anything important in it
[06:01] <nalioth> tecknozic: x86 ubuntu or kubuntu
[06:01] <tecknozic> what is the best version ? ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[06:02] <nalioth> tecknozic: they are the same, kubuntu can be installed from ubuntu and vice versa
[06:02] <tecknozic> ok
[06:02] <tecknozic> last question...
[06:02] <tecknozic> I have the 5.04 version... Is there a newer one with x86 kernel ?
[06:02] <nalioth> tecknozic: are you sure?
[06:03] <tecknozic> hihi
[06:03] <nalioth> tecknozic: you can install what you have. upgrading is easy
[06:03] <tecknozic> ok
[06:03] <tecknozic> nice
[06:03] <jsubl2> kubuntu comes with kde  ubuntu comes with gnome  by default
[06:03] <tecknozic> thanks a lot guys
[06:03] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:04] <tecknozic> fortunately, this community is friendly
[06:04] <inc|freaky> im back new kernel works :D
[06:04] <nalioth> tecknozic: but either can be installed from the other (or you can use neither)
[06:04] <jsubl2> inc|freaky: see much difference
[06:04] <tecknozic> but I'll come back soon... with a lot of other questions... hehehe
[06:04] <nalioth> tecknozic: we will be here
[06:04] <tecknozic> see u, thks
[06:05] <inc|freaky> jsubl2: not really but k7 is optimized for my cpu ;)
[06:06] <inc|freaky> so there is a difference, somewhere ;D for me there must be everything setup correctly im a perfectionist (if that word exists in english)
[06:06] <nalioth> inc|freaky: you'll be wishin you used 686 when you want to install flash, skype, etc
[06:09] <helpme> can i dsable atd, bwbar & gdomap bootup services?
[06:17] <inc|freaky> http://pics.freakyy.de/gallery2/v/screens/ <-- screenshot of my desktop with kvirc :)
[06:22] <sorush20> can some one point me to where all the people who talk about self hosting using free DNS servers and etc..
[06:22] <inc|freaky> sorush20: do you mean something like loopy.selfip.net ?
[06:22] <inc|freaky> sorush20: www.dyndns.org
[06:23] <inc|freaky> sorush20: if that is what you want, just come back and ask me about more i can help you setting everything up
[06:23] <nalioth> inc|freaky: if you identify to services, you'll never be locked out of #ubuntu
[06:24] <inc|freaky> nalioth: i noticed, thx ^^ ill soon reconnect to try the auto identify stuff out. ;)
[06:24] <inc|freaky> ill secure my machine now ;) closing not needed port and such brb, sorush20 just say my nick ;)
[06:24] <nalioth> we lock #ubuntu down when the bots swarm
[06:25] <inc|freaky> awkay ;)
[06:25] <sorush20> inc|freaky: thanks.. I have and IP free with my internet connection and
[06:26] <inc|freaky> and?
[06:26] <sorush20> I have three domains, iraneuro.com, alborz.uk.com, and spotpickers.com, now most of the time I study biology, but I find I cant understand networkology just as well, so is you could explain how I could hoste using my own computer.. would be great.. ;-)
[06:26] <inc|freaky> well, do you have a static or dynamic ip?
[06:27] <sorush20> dynamic.. is dhcp,
[06:27] <spiral> hi
[06:27] <inc|freaky> well, do you have your own name-server?
[06:27] <sorush20> spiral: hi
[06:27] <sorush20> afraid.org offers this I think,
[06:27] <inc|freaky> for the domains
[06:27] <sorush20> is the name server the same as the DNS
[06:28] <inc|freaky> sorush20: there is one thing ... i cant explain you how to setup dynamic dns on your own nameserver
[06:29] <inc|freaky> and you would have to take care about how to update the dns yourself
[06:29] <sorush20> so let me get this stright, I need to run a webserver (apache), a mail server (xaim), and now a name server ? any examples..
[06:30] <inc|freaky> do you in every case, want a subdomain on your own domains? i own freakyy and ionic.de i use selfip.net i could set up my own nameserver that would all be np but the dynamic updating i think you and i would have to write our own tools to do that
[06:30] <nikkia> sorush20: you don't *need* to run your own nameserver, or mailserver
[06:30] <nikkia> yay! :)
[06:31] <apokryphos_> thanks :D
[06:31] <gdh> The easiest would be to pay your domain registrar an extra dollar or two and get them to host the DNS :)
[06:31] <inc|freaky> i think i cant really help you if you want to do it on your own nameserver i can just point you to www.dyndns.org which offers such services for free
[06:31] <gdh> heh
[06:31] <nikkia> gdh, all of the dynamic dns providers do it for free, why bother?
[06:32] <nikkia> and personally, i prefer afraid.org over dyndns.org
[06:32] <gdh> nikkia: I've never had to use those providers ...
[06:32] <nikkia> they offer more domains and more features (AAAA records for example)
[06:32] <blackflag> I can recommend dyndns.org
[06:32] <inc|freaky> yea for me dyndns does all i want
[06:32] <blackflag> I do it over along time - no problem there
[06:32] <sorush20> thanks inc|freaky, I'll have a read on dyndns.org
[06:32] <inc|freaky> sorush20: np ;)
[06:33] <inc|freaky> sorush20: when you read it and decided to register an account there i can guide you through the process of setting up ddclient to automatically update the dns when your computer makes a internet connection
[06:35] <inc|freaky> im in a helping mood right now lol
[06:35] <inc|freaky> i like kubuntu :)
[06:35] <inc|freaky> was using debian etch this morning
[06:37] <inc|freaky> brb just reconnecting
[06:38] <mornfall> Riddell: sry i got distracted by other issues...
[06:38] <mornfall> Riddell: navigate to http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/morn-source/
[06:38] <inc|freaky> nalioth: it works, thankyou :)
[06:38] <sorush20> inc|freaky: could you run it by me again what I need to do to transfer hosting,
[06:39] <nalioth> inc|freaky: what works?
[06:39] <Riddell> mornfall: cool
[06:39] <mornfall> Riddell: i actually couldn't resist and fixed one issue :-p
[06:40] <Riddell> in which?
[06:40] <mornfall> (it's not in adept svn though)
[06:40] <mornfall> Riddell: well, a possible crasher with very zealously clicking people :)
[06:40] <sorush20> inc|freaky: if I'm not mistaking I need to change the DNS for my domain from the hosting service I have right now to afraid.org or some other DNS, and I have been told that I should just email my current webhosting provider explaing the situation and asking for them to change my DNS,
[06:40] <nalioth> inc|freaky: i dont think you are identified with services
[06:41] <inc|freaky> lol thx then it doesnt work like i want
[06:41] <nalioth> inc|freaky: what client do you use?
[06:42] <g|patrick> hi
[06:42] <inc|freaky> kvirc
[06:43] <nalioth> inc|freaky: that's one client i know nothing about
[06:43] <sorush20> I'm confused so confused
[06:43] <inc|freaky> i know enough about it thx ;) just was too lazy to use the integrated nickserv feature and tried to do "on connect" instead of "on logon"
[06:43] <g|patrick> hi nalioth
[06:43] <inc|freaky> sorush20: why are you confused?
[06:43] <nalioth> g|patrick: howdy
[06:44] <nalioth> inc|freaky: use "server password"
[06:44] <g|patrick> can someone tell me where i have to place kopete styles, and how i can make them operable?
[06:44] <g|patrick> nalioth: long time not seen ;)
[06:44] <sorush20> inc|freaky: where did you learn all about hosting and stuff
[06:44] <nalioth> g|patrick: i've been here (mostly at night, US time)
[06:44] <inc|freaky> sorush20: i read a lot of documents and stuff ...
[06:44] <g|patrick> ya.. but i wasnt ;)
[06:44] <g|patrick> using linux now more often ;)
[06:45] <inc|freaky> sorush20: so, what is your problem right now?
[06:47] <g|patrick> kopete, themes
[06:47] <g|patrick> howto ;(
[06:47] <g|patrick> ?
[06:47] <sorush20> well how do I go about hosting my on site for now on my own internet connection?
[06:47] <sorush20> inc|freaky: well how do I go about hosting my on site for now on my own internet connection?
[06:48] <blackflag> you want to be an ISP??
[06:48] <g|patrick> blackflag: i think he will host a site on his ip
[06:49] <blackflag> hmm, okay thats not difficult
[06:49] <sorush20> g|patrick: I want to host my site on my computer..
[06:49] <inc|freaky> sorush20: first you have to install apache what youve probably allready done. then get a dynamic dns ... www.dyndns.org get an account and register your own dynamic dns name of your choise (if its not taken)
[06:49] <sorush20> g|patrick: I don't want to be an ISP
[06:49] <inc|freaky> then come back and tell me
[06:50] <sorush20> inc|freaky: I've done that :-)
[06:50] <sorush20> inc|freaky: can I use afraid.org. could you take a look..
[06:50] <thorsten> join #atari
[06:51] <thorsten> i'm a lamer , try it later :-
[06:51] <g|patrick> quick question... howto import styles into kopete
[06:51] <g|patrick> where do i have to place them?
[06:53] <inc|freaky> sorush20: you really dont need afraid.org
[06:53] <inc|freaky> sorush20: and i guess (i dont know) dyndns.org is easier
[06:53] <inc|freaky> for you
[06:53] <inc|freaky> or not
[06:53] <inc|freaky> well, i dont know if ddclient supports afraid.org
[06:53] <sorush20> inc|freaky: great is that is the case then I'll follow you
[06:54] <sorush20> well now I have an ID and pass for the dyndns.org
[06:54] <inc|freaky> maybe afraid.org supports a own program for updating everything, but i cant help you with that
[06:54] <inc|freaky> sorush20: ok, now log in and go to dynamic dns on the left
[06:55] <sorush20> inc|freaky: okay..
[06:55] <inc|freaky> sorush20: you can somewhere there register a new subdomain. your computer will be reachable at whatyouwant.thesubdomainyouchose.tld where tld is the topleveldomain means .com .net .org .de and so on
[06:56] <inc|freaky> f.e. i chose loopy as subdomain, selfip.net as domain so now my pc is reachable via loopy.selfip.net
[06:56] <sorush20> inc|freaky: I can't find the dynamic dns on the left
[06:57] <inc|freaky> wait ill look
[06:57] <inc|freaky> sorush20: at the top click on "Account"
[06:58] <inc|freaky> then on the left on "My Services"
[06:59] <inc|freaky> and there is umm w8
[07:00] <inc|freaky> My Hosts --> Dynamic DNS
[07:00] <g|patrick> nobody here using kopete?
[07:00] <g|patrick> ;(
[07:00] <inc|freaky> im using kopete but i never tried themeing it
[07:00] <inc|freaky> but im interested in doing so, when i finished helping sorush20 ill look for how to theme it
[07:00] <inc|freaky> first looking for themes though so it might take a while
[07:01] <inc|freaky> sorush20: and there you can on the right click onto "Add Host"
[07:01] <g|patrick> kde-look.org
[07:01] <sorush20> inc|freaky: so what do I type in the add host
[07:03] <inc|freaky> Hostname: this is the fully qualified domain name which will point to your ip. so if you want to have it to point to sorush.homedns.org you write in sorush
[07:03] <inc|freaky> if you want another name just type it in instead of sorush ;)
[07:03] <inc|freaky> you can use homedns.org but you can choose one at the list
[07:03] <inc|freaky> *from the list
[07:03] <inc|freaky> this is the address your pc will be reachable at
[07:03] <sorush20> but what about hosting my domain alborz.uk.com will that come later..
[07:04] <inc|freaky> the ip-address is automatically put in there
[07:04] <inc|freaky> umm, i think you cant do that
[07:04] <sorush20> inc|freaky: what about my mail.alborz.uk.com can i do that too..
[07:04] <inc|freaky> you cant use your own domains
[07:04] <sorush20> really
[07:05] <inc|freaky> well, they offer to do that ive read i think
[07:05] <sorush20> inc|freaky: that is what I intended to do. so dnydns.org is for accessing your apachea folder via the sorush.domain.com etc..
[07:06] <inc|freaky> right you can also handle mail with it i think w8 ill look
[07:06] <sorush20> afraid.org can let you do that and Im just trying to figure out how to..
[07:06] <inc|freaky> yes you can
[07:06] <inc|freaky> sorush20: you have to run your own mailserver
[07:08] <johan__> I'm trying to install interner explorer with wine, but the internet explorer says that it can't connect to the internet, how do I give wine internet acess?
[07:08] <sorush20> thanks a lot inc|freaky what do you work as and where do yo live
[07:09] <inc|freaky> i live in germany im unemployed and will soon be going to school again to a local cisco networking akademy
[07:09] <inc|freaky> some school for communication technic and computer stuff
[07:16] <inc|freaky> brb
[07:20] <antoine> hello everybody!
[07:21] <blackflag> hi
[07:21] <antoine> i installed karamba, since that time, I can hear a terrible "bip" sound from my speaker
[07:21] <antoine> do somebody know how to avoid it ?
[07:22] <antoine> i cannot change it from kmix
[07:22] <inc|freaky> who had the problem with kopete? where do i get kopete themes?
[07:24] <sorush20> inc|freaky: go to the ubuntu channel its a lot better..
[07:24] <inc|freaky> im there ;)
[07:25] <inc|freaky> sorush20: do you need anymore help now with your dynamic dns thing?
[07:28] <tecknozic> hi
[07:28] <tecknozic> i'm back...
[07:28] <inc|freaky> welcome back :D
[07:29] <tecknozic> can you tell me again the command to install Skype (debian package) ?
[07:29] <inc|freaky> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[07:29] <tecknozic> thks
[07:29] <inc|freaky> np
[07:29] <inc|freaky> brb
[07:30] <aitor> hi
[07:30] <aitor> in bourne shell, is there any way to iterate through a command's output?
[07:30] <nalioth> aitor: iterate?
[07:31] <aitor> I want to assign each line of the output to a variable
[07:31] <aitor> I was thinking about some kind of foreach command as VAR or something like that
[07:32] <aitor> say I execute find ./ -type d  which outputs directories
[07:32] <aitor> each in one line
[07:32] <aitor> I want those directories to be assigned to a variable
[07:33] <aitor> so, in some kind of loop, I can make use of the directory name
[07:34] <aitor> any hint?
[07:38] <foodcoman> Breezy is looking Good!
[07:38] <foodcoman> The upgrades have been typically smooth.
[07:39] <aitor> which are the main upgrades?
[07:39] <foodcoman> There have been too many to list.
[07:39] <Tm_T> :/
[07:39] <foodcoman> Kernel, KDE X.
[07:39] <Tm_T> I messed my system with breezy :p
[07:40] <foodcoman> Well maybe wait for the full boat in October!
[07:40] <foodcoman> I assume you did a Hoary -> Breezy?
[07:40] <Tm_T> yup
[07:40] <aitor> October? sooner than I expected :) joy to me!
[07:40] <Tm_T> and now I can't compile kopete anymore
[07:41] <foodcoman> I figured it was time to nuke and pave, backed up my important stuff.  Dumped all the mistakes I made in Hoary!  =)
[07:41] <Tm_T> and something is creating massive loads
[07:41] <foodcoman> Been fairly smooth, only occasional hiccups.
[07:41] <foodcoman> Running on 2 boxes so far and working pretty well.
[07:41] <Tm_T> like, just doing apt-get update -> loads over 4