[00:00] <TJ-> Today, in the supposed patche binaries, researchers have found a hidden SSH/Telnet backdoor password
[00:01] <daftykins> :S
[00:02] <daftykins> so someone's got their beak firmly where it shouldn't be
[00:02] <Bashing-om> backdoor password - could be interesting .. a remnant of those who coded 1st ?
[00:02] <JanC> unfortunately that's common practice  :-/
[00:03] <TJ-> hard coded password is designed to look like a C format string: "<<<%s(un='%s') = %u"
[00:03] <TJ-> apparently this wasn't in the original firmware but is in the patched binaries they've issued
[00:06] <TJ-> it's out as CVE-2015-7755
[00:06] <JanC> something internal they forgot to disable?  support backdoor?  NSA backdoor?
[00:06] <TJ-> no telling; it's obviously designed to be obfuscated
[00:07] <JanC> so probably not an internal debug thing
[00:07] <TJ-> and it being added in these supposed patches to a prior backdoor makes me wonder if those original backdoors are real, are a ruse to get net-admins to upgrade gear to include this backdoor
[00:07] <daftykins> :/
[00:07] <daftykins> can folk dump the originals and compare?
[00:08] <TJ-> they already have, hence the new CVE
[00:08] <daftykins> oic, misread
[00:08] <slidinghorn> so what youre saying is someone may have lied about a supposed backdoor to patch a real one in?
[00:08] <TJ-> I was talking to a net admin last week who had just started on upgrading the firmware in 450+ Juniper ScreenOS devices... he's not going to be pleased about this
[00:09] <TJ-> slidinghorn: possibly. You have to admit it is pretty darn suspicious.
[00:09] <slidinghorn> pretty devious (and kinda brilliant, really)
[00:09] <TJ-> apparently a simple device search on the net revealed at least 20,000 devices with this backdoor accessible already
[00:10] <daftykins> >_<
[00:10] <TJ-> and as these are terminating VPNs into large Enterprises, its a very bad mark against Juniper.
[00:11] <TJ-> Snowden's info dump revealed hints about major network makers with backdoors, but until now there was little firm evidence.
[00:15] <slidinghorn>   so is this isolated to juniper?
[00:16] <TJ-> Yes, but there's no 'just' because they're a major core network device maker, like Cisco.
[00:16] <TJ-> There's long been speculation Cisco has backdoors itself
[00:18] <JanC> most consumer DSL modem/routers have backdoors too
[00:19] <JanC> usually ISPs configure their network so that they can only be accessed from a particular IP or range where their configuration server(s) run(s) though
[00:20] <JanC> (but of course that assumes a certain competency from the ISP to do it right...)
[00:20] <daftykins> pesky TR.069 was on mine, disabled that via telnet'ing in and running the commands the web UI doesn't offer config for
[00:21] <TJ-> right, TR-069 is for remote CPE management
[00:22] <daftykins> i probably should just get my own though
[00:22] <JanC> often the web UI has support for that sort of thing if you know the right password
[00:23] <daftykins> i suppose there could be a secret account
[00:23] <daftykins> they come totally open though, these
[00:24] <JanC> the problem is of course that some people open their web UI to the internet without knowing that such an admin account exists
[00:24] <JanC> while the passwords that many ISPs use are published on the internet
[00:29] <daftykins> i shall optimistically imagine that small ISPs don't have such :>
[00:30] <TJ-> hah!
[00:30] <daftykins> it was quite amusing back when you could mathematically derive the wifi key from the network name, that was great
[00:30] <daftykins> (on routers my ISP and ones in England put out)
[00:30] <daftykins> ooh the VM is finally updating on shutdown, i can sleep soon!
[00:35] <daftykins> nn all :)
[00:35] <TJ-> night
[00:36] <DosTuMai> Night. o/
[00:36] <DosTuMai> I'll be going to sleep soon, too.
[00:37] <daftykins> ok bring the cat in and turn the lights out please! :D
[00:37]  * TJ- sends the Huskies out to round up the cat
[00:38] <TJ-> I think I'm going to be late, can't stop listening to Cryptonomicon
[00:38] <daftykins> oh i'm supposed to restart for the new kernel etc
[00:38] <DosTuMai> Derp. xD
[00:39] <OerHeks> tomorrow i feel like this http://lolnein.com/2015/11/13/livehealthier/
[00:40] <JanC> daftykins: here some ISPs used to set it based on your street address
[00:40] <daftykins> o0
[00:55] <DosTuMai> I'm gonna hit the hay. Almost 1am, and I have a 5am start...
[01:27] <sam_yan> there is so many differences between 15.04 and 15.10.Is there any utility to make a picture or execl about the detail information .Not the do-release-upgrade .
[01:28] <sam_yan> I focus on the difference of  all the package version
[01:31] <TJ-> sam_yan: for what purpose?
[01:31] <sam_yan> my  curious
[01:32] <OerHeks> releasenotes is a start
[01:33] <TJ-> sam_yan: generate a diff of the versions from the package lists
[01:34] <sam_yan> how  to generate ? Have a tool ?
[01:34] <TJ-> sam_yan: pull the release packages lists from the archive servers; write a script to extract the data you want
[01:37] <sam_yan> Does ubuntu provide the release packages list of all ?
[01:38] <OerHeks> hmm http://pkgs.org/ is not up2date with 15.10
[01:40] <OerHeks> lot of lists http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/
[01:41] <sam_yan> year.But how can I  get all of the package list by a script?
[01:42] <TJ-> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
[01:43] <TJ-> For Wily, start here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily/
[01:51] <sam_yan> I try
[01:57] <TJ-> sam_yan: It's simple; I've written a script: https://iam.tj/projects/misc/release-diff.sh
[01:57] <sam_yan> I  will have a look
[01:57] <sam_yan> ):
[02:03] <NewTi0> "Under the Windows 10 app, with CPU use down to 10% and power use down to 9-10W, it's a different story." <-- He's saying that running Windows 10 reduces the load on his CPU, reduces its power consumption, and reduces the load on the fan, compared to Windows 7. Would Ubuntu 15.10 perform closer to Windows 7 or Windows 10?
[02:03] <TJ-> NewTi0: please don't cross-post
[02:04] <NewTi0> I didn't know which channel was better.
[02:09] <DalekSec> NewTi0: Can you /nick Tarminquay  to keep things cleared up?
[08:47] <sam_yan> Why ubuntu15.04  can use both of the systemd and upstart?
[08:48] <sam_yan> and  the lsb-base  breaks the upstart
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon mates
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> !info supertux
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> !test
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> ubottu down?
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> DJones,phunyguy, Jordan_U ,rww ubottu needs a reload?
[12:05] <DJones> Yeah we're aware, just waiting for somebody with control to restart it, it got caught in a mass quit/rejoin a couple of hours ago
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> DJones: ok tnx
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:12] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> how are you BluesKaj
[12:21] <BluesKaj> ok , insomnia, been up for 3hrs, it's 7:20AM here
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> :p
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-No-200-Million-Users
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> 25000 phone users pretty good
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> yayy
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> ubottu back online
[13:01] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^  how are you?
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: im learning to drive car :p
[13:01] <EriC^^> good thanks you?
[13:01] <EriC^^> cool
[13:01] <EriC^^> stick shift?
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yes ,snif
[13:01] <EriC^^> cool
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: and the car from lessons, was newer then our car
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> im having issues shifting in 1st
[13:02] <EriC^^> come to lebanon, i'll have you going sideways in no time :P
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:02] <EriC^^> what do you mean shifting in 1st?
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: the new car shifts very smooth, our older nissan, is very sensitive
[13:03] <EriC^^> oh you mean the clutch?
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: when i drive in first gear, the cars easyly stops
[13:03] <EriC^^> when you remove the clutch it engages quickly?
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> yes
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i had no problem with the new car releasing the clutch
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> was all very smooth
[13:04] <EriC^^> ah, you'll get it, just a matter of practice
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> i have to very very carefull release it in 1st gear then hit the gas
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> id rather would buy an automatic lol
[13:05] <EriC^^> park somewhere, and then try removing the clutch slowly
[13:05] <EriC^^> until you feel it engage and the rpm drop a bit
[13:05] <EriC^^> so you get a feel for it
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah im trying
[13:05] <EriC^^> it's like practice and something physical, when you get the hang of it, it'll just be natural
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> but i had several engine stops already grrr
[13:06] <EriC^^> and you'll be able to drive any car
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> its frustrating because i had no problem with the new car
[13:06] <EriC^^> yeah that happens it's normal
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> the new car i could release it very fast in 1st gear
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> is that a known issue on new/old cars?
[13:07] <EriC^^> press gas like a couple times, you know, like give it some gas and remove the clutch a little
[13:07] <EriC^^> if you go to a place where there is speed bumps and also uphill
[13:07] <EriC^^> you'll get really good in no time
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[13:08] <EriC^^> it's probably cause the new car has a better idle control and stuff
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[13:08] <EriC^^> or the clutch engages later so when you remove your foot on the new car it engages later something like that
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: can that sort of things be arranged in the garage on older cars?
[13:09] <EriC^^> depends how you're used to on the old one, but you'll get it soon and it won't make a difference
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> i liked the naw car better
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> new
[13:09] <EriC^^> even if it's a new car you'll just give it gas a couple times ( like <vroom> <vroom> ) and go up
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> i even didnt have to hit the gas, after releasing clutch
[13:09] <EriC^^> you'll just kind of get a feel for the clutch engaging and stuff
[13:10] <EriC^^> yeah it probably has more torque the newer car
[13:10] <EriC^^> or idles higher or better idle control
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> yeah must be that
[13:11] <EriC^^> when i got a car i didn't know how to drive stick so a family friend drove the car and parked it
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: have you driven a car with automatic yet?
[13:12] <EriC^^> and like 11pm at night i would take the car when there's no cars and try to drive it
[13:12] <EriC^^> yeah i've driven my friends cars many times
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i do the same! wakeup at 4 in the night and drive around lol
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: its not easy learning and crowdy traffic
[13:13] <EriC^^> yeah, i remember the family friend took me once to a place to practice, it had like uphill with speed bump at the start, then speed bump right before the end of the uphill, then a flat , couple corners and a flat speed bump
[13:13] <EriC^^> uphill and speed bumps help a lot
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: would you buy an automatic, or you dont reccomend it?
[13:14] <EriC^^> i remember when i got in the car i was looking where to put my feet, ( where's the clutch and brake ) and he was like don't do that, that's so noob
[13:14] <EriC^^> haha
[13:14] <EriC^^> nah i love stick shift
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: my work friend has a mercedes with automatic 305 pk and very happy with it lol
[13:15] <EriC^^> yeah depends i guess on the person
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> gas n break thats all
[13:15] <EriC^^> stick you have more control over the car, automatic it's like it's driving
[13:15] <EriC^^> plus it's really boring
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> but you have more time to watch the road right?
[13:15] <EriC^^> not really
[13:16] <EriC^^> cause when you get used to stick shift it's like breathing
[13:16] <EriC^^> also it's way safer stick shift
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> howso safer?
[13:16] <EriC^^> let's say i'm 140kph approaching a turn, i can downshift and break, so the rpms are high and there's engine braking
[13:17] <EriC^^> you know what engine braking is?
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> breaking without gears
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> no shifts
[13:17] <EriC^^> like drive the car at 100kph, in 5th and drive it 100 in 3rd and remove the gas
[13:17] <EriC^^> you'll feel the car is more tight
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> i see
[13:18] <EriC^^> like enter a turn in 5th and 3rd, one will be like wobbly the other wont
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[13:18] <EriC^^> also sometimes you need the rpms to be high in a corner
[13:18] <EriC^^> automatic it's like it just is stupid
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:19] <EriC^^> you could be like pressing gas and you don't want it to shift
[13:19] <EriC^^> you're mid corner and pressing gas, you lift throttle abit
[13:19] <EriC^^> and it fucking upshifts (thinks that you're cruising)
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> but thereas real automatic also, you dont even have to shift right?
[13:19] <EriC^^> bam you lost the engine breaking
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> like just adapt it on your speed
[13:19] <EriC^^> automatica seriously is dangerous
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> ok ok
[13:20] <EriC^^> what do you mean?
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> i mean my friends has automatic, he doesnt even have to hit the clutch
[13:20] <EriC^^> automatic is like no sudo
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> loool
[13:20] <EriC^^> and sometimes you need sudo
[13:20] <EriC^^> and it's like no, i know better
[13:21] <EriC^^> and you're like wtf i need sudo you idiot
[13:21] <EriC^^> haha
[13:21] <EriC^^> something like that
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> you know like the cars automatic shift for you
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> without hitting it yourself
[13:21] <EriC^^> yeah i know
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> ok ok
[13:21] <EriC^^> automatic and no clutch
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> yep
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> or can choose
[13:22] <EriC^^> the other isn't clutch
[13:22] <EriC^^> yeah
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> 1 tick glutch, or no touch and car chooses
[13:22] <EriC^^> you mean the tiptronic kind of stuff
[13:22] <EriC^^> where you press a button and it upshifts etc
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> i think so
[13:22] <EriC^^> i think it depends, some automatics are more advanced
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> yeah, my friends mercedes has that
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> it adapts his speed
[13:23] <EriC^^> some might not even be stupid, in the end it's controlled by an ecu, so you could program it to know when not to do stupid stuff
[13:23] <EriC^^> but still human > program
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: the guy from drive school said the same, ppl wants to control the car
[13:23] <EriC^^> yeah i think they even developed a continuously variable transmission
[13:24] <EriC^^> that's always at the best ratio
[13:24] <EriC^^> cvt i think
[13:24] <EriC^^> hold on
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> kk
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: think thats what my friend has
[13:28] <EriC^^> so you have to take a test soon?
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i have 3 months until exam
[13:30] <EriC^^> cool
[13:30] <EriC^^> how much does it cost?
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: they suggested me to drive 10.000km to learn
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: 1100 euro for 20hours lesson
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: maybe that could be your next job?
[13:30] <EriC^^> lol
[13:31] <EriC^^> i was thinking to catch the next flight
[13:31] <EriC^^> haha
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> and they have like 1000 lessons in 1 year
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> 4 driving teachers this company
[13:31] <EriC^^> 1million euros
[13:32] <EriC^^> wow
[13:32] <EriC^^> that's insane
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> thats only 1 company right
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> there so many of them in our country
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> 20 hours is the fastest way in belgium, to drive alone
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> also the most expensive
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> i have to pay 150 euro at exam day also, so he can sit next to me
[13:33] <EriC^^> you signed up for it?
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> and ride with their car
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> for the lessons yeah
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> i did my 20 hours
[13:33] <OerHeks> 50-70 euro per lesson, katsjing money
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> and have limited permit now
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> thats it OerHeks
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> i could have chosen less expensive, but then with co-rider 8months or so...
[13:34] <OerHeks> i am too stupid to drive.. or too anxious because of the other lunatics
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> every time you need the car, you need them same co-rider
[13:34] <OerHeks> saved me a lot of money .. and driving girls home too
[13:35] <OerHeks> ow wait ..
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: lebanon doesnt need those lessons?
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you could be very rich in belgium, nice job :p
[13:38] <EriC^^> here you do an exam about the signs a little and then a tiny driving one
[13:38] <EriC^^> when i did it, my friend from school had them fix it for me
[13:38] <OerHeks> after passing the exam, then you will learn howto drive a car
[13:38] <EriC^^> all i did was go and sign a paper and got the license after few days :D
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> wtf
[13:38] <EriC^^> ( i couldn't drive yet )
[13:39] <EriC^^> yes this is lebanon , bribes and stuff :D
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> lolll
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you need to emigrate mate
[13:40] <EriC^^> lol no way
[13:40] <EriC^^> i die here
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:40] <EriC^^> :D
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: put an ubuntu pc in the co-drivers seat and teach them belgians to drive over skype for money in the ubuntu car :p
[13:47] <EriC^^> lol
[13:49] <OerHeks> like George Hotz http://news.softpedia.com/news/famous-iphone-and-ps3-hacker-made-an-ubuntu-powered-self-driving-car-497758.shtml
[13:49] <OerHeks> wait, then i can drive too!
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> yeah ive read that OerHeks
[13:49] <OerHeks> go home, gnome
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> lol OerHeks
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> google car me to the shop!
[13:50] <OerHeks> to the KFC, kde
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> https://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/
[14:25] <pauljw> hi
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[14:25] <EriC^^> hi pauljw
[14:26] <pauljw> hi guys :)
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> hi TJ-
[14:31] <pauljw> doesn't he ever sleep?
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> he just joined :p
[14:34] <TJ-> afternoon :)
[14:36] <pauljw> hey TJ-
[14:38] <TJ-> I have a hacking hangover... didn't finish until 0500 and my eyes want to divorce my head :D
[14:38] <pauljw> ouch
[14:59] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw
[15:01] <BluesKaj> what's happening ?
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[16:37] <slidinghorn> ....this "h1tl3r" person is *surely* not a troll waiting to happen.....  :-\
[16:50] <daftykins> how pessimistic of you!
[16:55] <TJ-> Don't know what you're worried about; it's l33t sp34k for "hi, talk to you later"
[16:56] <daftykins> :D
[16:56] <daftykins> p.s. hi all!
[16:56] <TJ-> morning :)
[16:56] <pauljw> hi
[16:56] <daftykins> i've not been on today as i've been swimming in the deep waters of horrifying Microsoft products once more
[16:57] <pauljw> eeew
[16:57] <nicomachus> ^
[16:57] <TJ-> daftykins: how did it go?
[16:57] <TJ-> daftykins: did you make out like a pro? :P
[16:59] <pauljw> i'm sure he did, but there's that lingering odor that just won't wash off... :)
[16:59] <daftykins> ugh, well to play with System Centre Virtual Machine Manager (SCVMM) i require a host running a domain and SQL Server, separate to the actual Hyper-V host =|
[16:59] <daftykins> hahaha
[16:59] <TJ-> curlyears in ubuntu+1 is really trying my patience! He's been trying to fix a 14.04 boot failure for more than 16 hours... at the rate he's going backwards it'll take 100 hours
[16:59] <daftykins> >_<
[17:00] <daftykins> simple GRUB reinstall case, or worse?
[17:01] <daftykins> i'm currently downloading a rather chunky SQL Server installer :P
[17:01] <TJ-> I'm convinced the user is issuing commands we don't know about, and not issuing the commands we ask, but I can't prove it.
[17:01] <daftykins> sounds like a job for squoo.sh *whistle*
[17:01] <pauljw> :)
[17:02] <TJ-> 16:59 <penguin42> hmm pastebinit really needs to be more automatic for this type of thing
[17:02] <TJ-> 17:00 <TJ-> *more* automatic?
[17:02] <TJ-> 17:00 <curlyears> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14129257/
[17:02] <TJ-> 17:01 <penguin42> TJ-: Yeh, start a pastebin shell; all output goes to it
[17:02] <TJ-> 17:01 <TJ-> penguin42: oh, you mean our new project. talk to daftykins in -discuss, we have a surprise waiting there
[17:03] <daftykins> ooh i know penguin42 from -uk :D
[17:04] <daftykins> TJ-: in fact if you know the fellow, you likely have crossed paths in real life before now, also
[17:06] <TJ-> I don't think we have; although I believe he is in Manchester
[17:06] <daftykins> that's the one, well it seems he had a hand in a *nix BBC Micro emulator i think it was :D
[17:07] <nicomachus> squoo.sh is gonna be a pastebin as well?
[17:07] <daftykins> a bit more advanced, really
[17:07] <TJ-> nicomachus: yes
[17:07] <TJ-> a live pastebin mostly, but also static
[17:08] <nicomachus> this project gets better-sounding every day and I still only have a vague idea of what it is
[17:08] <TJ-> nicomachus: a diagnostic super-hub :D
[17:08] <daftykins> ^_^
[17:08] <TJ-> nicomachus: repository of auto diag/fix scripts, report collection, etc.
[17:08] <daftykins> it's where all problems go to get squoo.sh'd !
[17:08] <nicomachus> so you're going to put your souls into code?
[17:09] <TJ-> nicomachus: the code is pretty trivial; it's just joining the dots
[17:09] <nicomachus> :P
[17:10] <TJ-> although I do plan in writing a new master diag script that does everything that bootrepair and others do, that we can get the user to pull/execute to speed up and make very accurate the support process. make it more enjoyable all round
[17:11] <TJ-> I also want to have hooks in the scripts so we add 'intelligence' based on what we learn, sort of like assisted-AI
[17:11] <TJ-> first run should generate a set of bullet-points of what we should investigate, for example, so we don't need to trawl logs manually or have a complex back-and-forth with the user
[17:12] <nicomachus> and auto-paste uname -a, lsb_release -a, lspci | grep VGA, and those handy bits?
[17:12] <daftykins> sounds good, i have to say i don't like boot-repair's log, it's a nightmare to read
[17:12] <TJ-> oh, those go without saying, collect dmesg and all the stuff we always know we may need to see
[17:13] <daftykins> possibly a way to grab it all and shove it on a flash drive for offline folks, too?
[17:13] <TJ-> pull .xsession-errors, Xorg.0.log, syslog, dmesg, and have the server-side parse them for clues and then generate the todo list for us
[17:13] <TJ-> daftykins: sure
[17:13] <daftykins> :D
[17:14] <TJ-> I also want to make it secure, so the user has to give a support person a 'key' for that person to see the logs, so they aren't generally publicly available
[17:14] <daftykins> please wait while SQL Server 2012 setup downloads an update for setup
[17:14]  * daftykins groans
[17:15] <TJ-> daftykins: you need to squoo.sh that
[17:15] <daftykins> :D
[17:15] <daftykins> i truly hope to!
[17:15] <TJ-> I also want the scripts, on UEFI, to optionally install the full EDK 2 shell, as a recovery option
[17:16] <TJ-> I was thinking of having an ncurses-based terminal program (statically linked so stand-alone - will also then operate in the initrd.img ) to configure the info to collect and where to put it
[17:18] <TJ-> Might also be good to have a statically linked Windows-exectuable 'dd' available, for Windows users to write ISO images
[17:18] <daftykins> sounds ace :>
[17:19] <TJ-> I'm finishing the basic design this week, and expect to start coding the web-site and the tools by next weekend
[17:20] <TJ-> Once I've got some design docs together I'll run them by you guys for feedback
[17:20]  * daftykins looks forward to that
[17:25] <nicomachus> https://i.imgur.com/kO5VrYQ.jpg
[17:27] <daftykins> wow, that seems inappropriate even if it was his own choice :P
[17:28] <nicomachus> ha, I love it.
[17:31] <daftykins> wow a client got a new little graphics card already, only ordered it Thursday afternoon
[17:32] <slidinghorn> wait...can 16.04 testers instal via netinstall?
[17:33] <daftykins> mini iso? no idea if one is available
[17:35] <OerHeks> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[17:50] <BluesKaj> slidinghorn, someone was tryint o netinstall 16.04 but ended up with a dependency problem . I wouldn't chance it unless I was absolutely sure all packages are up to date and if any were installed from a ppa then  I'd install off a daily image
[17:52] <slidinghorn> BluesKaj: That's what I saw...person in +1 was getting "cups-filters : Depends: liblouisutdml-bin but it is not installable" - When I'd searched for the images for 16.04, I didn't see a netboot and got confused for a sec
[17:57] <BluesKaj> yeah I see he's going with a clean slate
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> good evening mates
[18:24] <nicomachus> afternoon.
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> hey nicomachus
[18:25] <EriC^^> evening lotuspsychje
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[18:29] <daftykins> o/
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> hi there daftykins
[18:29] <daftykins> yay i have this microsoft product installing at last ;)
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> hmmm teamviewer crash on startup...
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> out it goes
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: wich product?
[18:30] <daftykins> System Center Virtual Machine Manager
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> cool, via wine?
[18:31] <daftykins> lol
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:31] <daftykins> nah this product requires a full real windows server, domain and SQL server install sadly
[18:31] <daftykins> well, i've got it in a VM
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> nice
[18:32] <daftykins> the idea is it will then manage the physical box i have running server 2012 which is a Hyper-V host :)
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: purpose for that server job?
[18:32] <daftykins> i'm basically updating myself on how rubbish hyper-v is for a possible job
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> cool at home training
[18:32] <daftykins> ja :>
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> experiment ourselfs is the best
[18:33] <daftykins> most of these are 180 day evaluation copies
[18:33] <daftykins> wish i had a more modern desktop PC though ;) it'd make virtualising this so much easier
[18:33] <nicomachus> whatcha got, daftykins?
[18:34]  * lotuspsychje looking up the sky-lake :p
[18:34] <daftykins> 2 x core 2 quad, the hyper-v victim has 4GB RAM whilst my personal desktop has 8GB
[18:34] <nicomachus> not excited to lose my i7 16gb RAM work PC when I leave this job in a week...
[18:35] <daftykins> awww
[18:36] <nicomachus> will only have my i3 4gb RAM laptop, or Core2Duo 4gb RAM HTPC to work with.
[18:36] <daftykins> moar RAM!
[18:37] <daftykins> i could actually move this domain controller VM to run on my laptop instead, that's a sandybridge i5 with 8GB RAM
[18:38] <daftykins> that would get to be pure SSD then, too
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:39] <EriC^^> giving grub-imageboot a try
[18:39] <EriC^^> i want to run the wily iso for popcorntime!
[18:39] <nicomachus> daftykins: I could probably stick more RAM in my laptop... but the HTPC is maxed out, IIRC.
[18:39] <daftykins> nicomachus: mmm, you got 2 x 2GB already there so you'd have to replace it all?
[18:39] <nicomachus> yep.
[18:40] <daftykins> my i5 lappy came with 1 x 4GB and one empty, so i doubled it for £18 back in the day :(
[18:40] <nicomachus> have't opened up my laptop to check, though. it could be 1 x 4gb
[18:40] <daftykins> just check with commands :)
[18:40] <nicomachus> but that'd be EASY.
[18:41] <nicomachus> I honestly just haven't bothered. I'll check when I get home tonight. can't reach it from here, I shut it down last night.
[18:41] <daftykins> sounds like a plan
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> !info supertux
[18:44] <nicomachus> love supertux. and supertux kart, or whatever it's called.
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/super-mario-bros-clone-supertux-gets-new-major-release-after-10-years-in-the-making-497895.shtml
[18:45] <EriC^^> nope, not happening
[18:45] <EriC^^> grub just isn't booting any isos
[18:45] <daftykins> :(
[18:45] <EriC^^> i'll just use a usb i have to make a live usb
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you follow that grub to iso guide?
[18:46] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: yeah, also tried grub-imageboot
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> never done myself though
[18:56] <EriC^^_> it's funny it kind of feels faster
[18:56] <EriC^^_> just the feeling of a new os i guess
[18:57] <daftykins> plus flash based if you have no SSD? :)
[18:57] <EriC^^_> yes it's from the usb
[18:57] <EriC^^_> and no ssd
[18:58] <EriC^^_> it's not quicker than the hdd though right?
[18:58] <EriC^^_> or is it just all loaded into memory completely?
[18:59] <EriC^^_> crap, dependency hunting time
[18:59] <EriC^^_> !find libudev.so.0
[18:59] <EriC^^_> !find libudev.so
[18:59] <EriC^^_> !find libudev.so trusty
[19:00] <EriC^^_> !find libudev
[19:00] <daftykins> if you have enough RAM you could add the param "toram" i think to do so, then it'd fly
[19:00] <EriC^^_> daftykins, cool
[19:00] <EriC^^_> it does say 1gb used though
[19:00] <daftykins> but i think you'll run out of space to install packages if you haven't made it persistent
[19:01] <EriC^^_> ah just like 550mb is used right now
[19:01] <daftykins> i'm updating my domain controller VM with the patches it needs since i've installed the products ¬_¬
[19:01] <EriC^^_> well that sucks
[19:02] <EriC^^_> ./Popcorn-Time: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[19:02] <EriC^^_> i have libudev-dev and libudev1 installed
[19:03] <daftykins> different paths maybe?
[19:04] <EriC^^_> found a workaround online
[19:04] <EriC^^_> using a symlink, apparently on 14.04 it's not .so.0
[19:04] <daftykins> i had a feeling it would be the case :>
[19:06] <EriC^^_> hmm, black screen
[19:06] <EriC^^_> it loaded up and said initializing, then faded into a black screen
[19:06] <daftykins> what's your graphics?
[19:06] <EriC^^_> it isn't using any bandwidth though
[19:06] <EriC^^_> amd radeon
[19:06] <daftykins> D: the devil's card
[19:07] <EriC^^_> lol
[19:07] <daftykins> no output in the term that spawned it?
[19:11] <EriC^^_> just a warning and info
[19:12] <EriC^^_> a solution online says to use a hexeditor to edit the file
[19:12] <daftykins> :S
[19:15] <EriC^^_> nope, black screen
[19:15] <EriC^^_> i tried an older version same thing *shrug*
[19:15] <EriC^^_> maybe i should try a really old one? somebody said older versions work
[19:19] <EriC^^_> watching this youtube fix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0n0kmzuimI
[19:19] <EriC^^_> pretty entertaining
[19:19] <EriC^^_> i wonder what desktop that is for windows? is that like a background that has those circles?
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> you mean those squares?
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> seems like an app joiner, but for windows
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> like you can gather apps into ipad folders
[19:23] <daftykins> makes me cringe seeing other windows users use their systems XD
[19:24] <daftykins> that video maker would have no clue in front of a Linux machine XD
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks says to be carefull with popcorn, be warned EriC^^_ :p lets hope they dont grab you
[19:26] <EriC^^_> lol
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/firefox-gets-netflix-html5-support-with-adobe-primetime-only-for-windows-497918.shtml
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> our windows friends have more luck here :p
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> + 50 free adobe 0day exploits
[19:29] <EriC^^_> i think popcorntime got shut down
[19:30] <EriC^^_> not sure
[19:30] <EriC^^_> i'm going to do something fun and sudo rm / or something and watch the desktop disintegrate
[19:31] <EriC^^_> ok, going back to the normal install
[19:31] <nicomachus> EriC^^_: the main popcorntime.io project was abandoned after a few devs made deals with the MPAA, but it's still going as a community project. what are you trying to do with it?
[19:31] <EriC^^_> nicomachus, run it
[19:32] <EriC^^_> popcorntime.io isn't loading, i tried popcorntime.se , i keep getting a black screen
[19:32] <nicomachus> hmm... it should work. you do have to update the sources to ones that are valid.
[19:32] <EriC^^_> after the splash
[19:32] <nicomachus> ah, one minute lemme find the new address
[19:32] <nicomachus> popcorntime.ml
[19:32] <EriC^^_> that's down i think
[19:32] <EriC^^_> let me try
[19:33] <EriC^^_> oh ok it's up
[19:33] <nicomachus> there's an onion mirror too
[19:33] <EriC^^_> thanks dude
[19:33] <nicomachus> np
[19:33] <OerHeks> i hope you use a vpn, no that that matters at all
[19:33] <OerHeks> :-D
[19:35] <OerHeks> people trowing away dvd and cd here, every week, i have so many movies to see, i am buzy till the follow up of blue ray comes out, 200 dvd+
[19:36] <OerHeks> my grandma always said: millionairs have other issues.
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:37] <OerHeks> and billionairs one more :-D
[19:43] <daftykins> :)
[19:43] <daftykins> so true
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: can you sing the 5th of beethoven now? :p
[19:54]  * lotuspsychje brings another load of opera cd's
[19:54] <daftykins> ah i finished all that, i have the 18GB of FLAC transcoded to an MP3 set also
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:54] <daftykins> need to decide whether i care enough to find album covers for the whole lot, then take them up
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> wow 18gig music
[19:54] <nicomachus> transcoding FLAC to MP3??
[19:54] <daftykins> there were just under 70 discs ripped ja
[19:54] <nicomachus> you monster
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> uffff
[19:55] <daftykins> the FLAC remains for local playback on the clients PCs + HTPCs, the MP3 is solely for the iPods
[19:55] <daftykins> took 45mins for my core 2 quad to transcode it all...
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> oO
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/amd-radeon-software-crimson-edition-15-12-linux-graphics-driver-out-now-497854.shtml
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> handy for support
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> good evening Bashing-om
[20:00] <Bashing-om> Are we having fun now -
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> sure you joined Bashing-om
[20:01] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: \o .. A good one so far ?
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[20:03] <Bashing-om> K.  I am afreaid to look ... But I just gotta !
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> :p
[20:07] <Bashing-om> Well .. not all bad ; Doc said I have to drink more water ... He did specify water . Yuk ... don't that stuff rust the insides ?
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> im also bad at drinking alot
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> coffee goes in better
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> and wine :p
[20:08] <nicomachus> whisky plz
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> i once mixxed beer with wisky at school, never again...
[20:09] <nicomachus> ew
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: had another optimus card fixxed today, going back to nvidia-340 + nvidia-prime
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: seems like that 352 driver making alot of damage lately
[20:11] <Bashing-om> I -once- did the boiler makers .... 3 days later was a wonder to behold !
[20:12] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yeah, Seems that 352 is bufy in some aplications . I too am getting leary about advising to install 352 . 346 seems stable however.
[20:19] <EriC^^_> meh, popcorntime keeps stalling
[20:21] <daftykins> slow torrents i guess
[20:22] <EriC^^_> i wonder what would happen if i self destruct the live session while redirecting output to here
[20:22] <nicomachus> EriC^^_: stalling on the install or stalling when you try to play something?
[20:22] <EriC^^_> stalling while playing something
[20:23] <EriC^^_> it just pauses then i restart then it pauses again somewhere
[20:24] <nicomachus> yea it's just slow to load. before you play, on the summary screen, you can see the status of the torrent. It'll show a green, yellow, or red dot. you can hover on that to see the ratio.
[20:24] <EriC^^_> ah cool
[20:24] <nicomachus> but since they moved off of the YTS database everything has just been slower. may just need to let it buffer
[20:24] <EriC^^_> i see
[20:25] <EriC^^_> brb
[20:25] <OerHeks> see you in the next pause
[20:25] <OerHeks> :-D
[20:27] <nicomachus> the thing I don't like the most about new db they're using, though, is that it will load trailers on the movie selection screen (like Captain America: Civil War), and it will also give you a stream that's in the wrong language without any way to see that beforehand, or to switch it.
[20:27] <daftykins> i can't even work out how to find out the status of HEVC decode for skylake in VA-API
[20:27] <nicomachus> I've basically just moved away from it since they had to take it off YTS
[20:31] <EriC^^> this might seem like an odd question
[20:31] <EriC^^> but does soembody know of a free shell that lets you point a domain to your user.shell.com ?
[20:32] <EriC^^> or free cloud service that gives you a vm?
[20:32] <nicomachus> I found another TJ-
[20:37] <pauljw> doubt it, they broke the mold
[20:37] <nicomachus> 60+ tabs in Firefox open...
[20:38] <pauljw> :)
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-iaas-providers-who-provide-free-cloud-resources/
[20:39] <nicomachus> it's a tiny laptop with 2GB ram... and 60+ tabs open in firefox. poor thing.
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> lol nicomachus
[20:39] <pauljw> i don't usually count but since you brought it up, 36 at the moment...
[20:40] <lotuspsychje> x4 workspaces=
[20:40] <lotuspsychje> 144 tabs
[20:41] <nicomachus> yea but what kinda hardware are you guys on?
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> chrome,chromium,FF and 36 terminals running links2 lol
[20:41] <nicomachus> this thing is a kids toy: http://www.amazon.com/Discontinued-HP-Celeron-Includes-Personal/dp/B00NSHLUBU
[20:41] <pauljw> yeah, that's a problem
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: it has windows= kids toy :p
[20:43] <lotuspsychje> like impossible to look at 60 tabs at same time
[20:45] <EriC^^> thanks lotuspsychje
[20:45] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: hope its usefull
[20:45] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: offtopic guys know alot of these stuff also i think
[20:46] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: or the #vbox and ##networking guys
[20:46] <EriC^^> ok, cool
[20:46] <EriC^^> yeah i'm asking there
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: interesting for you? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Skylake-NUC-Tests
[20:56] <daftykins> naw nothing about HEVC decode using VAAPI
[20:56] <lotuspsychje> kk
[20:57] <daftykins> sweet mother of Tux, i finally got this painful microsoft product to boot a VM on my test hyper-v box, with a shared ISO from my domain controller VM
[20:57] <lotuspsychje> :p
[20:59] <EriC^^> !yay
[20:59] <EriC^^> it's so nice that we have our own bot here
[20:59] <EriC^^> maybe we can turn it into our sex slave
[20:59] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:01]  * TJ- is getting worried
[21:01] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:02] <lotuspsychje> mycroft bendover!
[21:02] <EriC^^> kitchenbot
[21:02] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:02] <OerHeks> openstack project, EriC^^ ?
[21:02] <TJ-> I'm glad you guys know this channel is logged :D
[21:03] <daftykins> i had someone in another channel looking at all my dropbox stuff actually the other day after stalking me
[21:03] <daftykins> that wasn't enjoyable
[21:03] <lotuspsychje> lolll
[21:03] <lotuspsychje> pepper and flash also on it then :p
[21:04] <TJ-> The Huskies are faaaaamous
[21:04] <lotuspsychje> i wonder why quality ubuntu discussions get logged anyway
[21:04] <lotuspsychje> what purpose would users come up here?
[21:05] <lotuspsychje> this channel was empty dead before
[21:05] <TJ-> I've got a weird issue on a 12.04 server; apache2, listening on IPv6 but not accepting connections, no sign they're even being handled. Very confusing.
[21:06] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: nmapped server ip?
[21:07] <TJ-> no need; it's failing internally on the host itself
[21:08] <lotuspsychje> weird
[21:09] <daftykins> default out of box site config?
[21:09] <lotuspsychje> or local nmap -PN -sV
[21:11] <TJ-> # ss -6lp '( sport = :80 or sport = :443 )'
[21:11] <TJ-> State      Recv-Q Send-Q                                       Local Address:Port                                           Peer Address:Port
[21:11] <TJ-> LISTEN     0      128                             2a01:7e00:e000:151:0:1:1:2:http                                                     :::*        users:(("/usr/sbin/apach",14501,8),("/usr/sbin/apach",10266,8),("/usr/sbin/apach",10262,8),("/usr/sbin/apach",10257,8))
[21:12] <TJ-> LISTEN     0      128                             2a01:7e00:e000:151:0:1:1:2:https                                                    :::*        users:(("/usr/sbin/apach",14501,9),("/usr/sbin/apach",10266,9),("/usr/sbin/apach",10262,9),("/usr/sbin/apach",10257,9))
[21:12] <TJ-> and the apache2 config:
[21:12] <TJ-> # grep -rn 2a01 *
[21:12] <TJ-> ports.conf:23:Listen [2a01:7e00:e000:0151:0:1:1:2]:80
[21:12] <TJ-> ports.conf:24:Listen [2a01:7e00:e000:0151:0:1:1:2]:443
[21:12] <TJ-> sites-available/default:5:NameVirtualHost [2a01:7e00:e000:0151:0:1:1:2]:80
[21:12] <TJ-> sites-available/default:6:NameVirtualHost [2a01:7e00:e000:0151:0:1:1:2]:443
[21:13] <TJ-> sites-available/squoo.sh.conf:1:<VirtualHost <IP_ADDRESS>:80 [2a01:7e00:e000:0151:0:1:1:2]:80>
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: sounds like a job for the #httpd guys :p
[21:14] <daftykins> how come you're basing it on such an old LTS?
[21:15] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: http://blogs.igalia.com/vjaquez/2015/12/08/gstreamer-va-api-0-7-0/
[21:15] <TJ-> daftykins: its on a host that is about to get a fresh, new, 16.04 install
[21:16] <daftykins> ah har
[21:16] <lotuspsychje> april is gonna be big relief
[21:16] <lotuspsychje> !isitoutyet
[21:17]  * daftykins shudders
[21:17] <TJ-> daftykins: its working for IPv4; take a look in http://sqoo.sh/images/ and tell me which you reofer, if either
[21:17] <daftykins> mmm i think gstreamer is an alternative to ffmpeg, no?
[21:17] <daftykins> TJ-: oddly enough that domain doesn't work for me
[21:17] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: think so
[21:17] <TJ-> s/reofer/prefer/
[21:18] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: wrong url here also
[21:18] <TJ-> daftykins: all your fault I keep on forgetting to type the U!!!
[21:18] <daftykins> XD
[21:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:18] <TJ-> daftykins: http://squoo.sh/images/
[21:18] <daftykins> can't believe my eyes didn't spot that
[21:18] <TJ-> I actually thought I'd registered the wrong domain due to that typo I keep making; heart-in-mouth time it was
[21:18] <lotuspsychje> bugs up n running
[21:18] <daftykins> that'll totally not be an issue in the days to come...
[21:18] <daftykins> XD
[21:19] <TJ-> I created the logo ideas in inkscape
[21:19] <lotuspsychje> working on my side TJ-
[21:19] <daftykins> TJ-: hmm i think i'd let which one is most legible as a favicon win?
[21:19] <TJ-> I think -01 is too busy
[21:19] <daftykins> yeah, i think you're right
[21:19] <TJ-> pfft; favicon is mostly deprecated now anyhow
[21:19] <lotuspsychje> i like 2 better also
[21:20] <daftykins> but pwetty pictures!
[21:20] <lotuspsychje> like an ubuntu bug
[21:20] <TJ-> well, those are for starters. If you have any suggestions for alternatives, or improvements, let me know
[21:20] <daftykins> mmm no creative or art skills here i'm afraid
[21:20] <daftykins> i outsource that stuff ;D
[21:20] <TJ-> meanwhile I'll try to solve this IPv6 issue; I had it working earlier on so gawd knows what I did to it
[21:21] <TJ-> daftykins: i'm not too bad with designer tools; you have the ideas, I'll try to express them
[21:21] <daftykins> very well! i shall ponder whilst i cook pasta :>
[21:22] <lotuspsychje> !info apache precise
[21:22] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: wich apache version is that
[21:22] <daftykins> +2
[21:22] <daftykins> !info apache2 precise
[21:23] <lotuspsychje> maybe its an apache version issue ipv6
[21:23] <lotuspsychje> something like this: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/hints-daemons-apache2..html
[21:23] <daftykins> i got my DC with SCVMM installed to talk to my hyper-v host and tell it to create and boot a win10 VM ;)
[21:24] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: nice1
[21:24] <daftykins> i think i've won... but many expletives were uttered in the process; my cat blushed
[21:24] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: useful to try upper apache version?
[21:24] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: you cursed at kitty? :p
[21:24] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: ^
[21:24] <daftykins> nah in her presence :)
[21:25] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:25] <lotuspsychje> lool
[21:25] <lotuspsychje> we have to joke in riddles now channel is logged :p
[21:27] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I don't think it's apache; I had it working until I restarted the server with a minor change for something else, grr. what is weird is, the ip6tables packet-count isn't increasing either, but pings and the ssh session are fine
[21:28] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: and another old bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/633981
[21:28] <TJ-> re: the logo... I wondered if the background circle ought to be a 'splat' style shape
[21:28] <Bashing-om> Well .. perhaps best to talk in riddles - people think we are nuts, than to talk in plain text and remove all doubt ?
[21:28] <daftykins> that sounds good, so it'll be like a dead bug :>
[21:28] <daftykins> as opposed to one in the spotlight
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: :p
[21:29] <TJ-> yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'll leave off the IPv6 hacking and play with the image!
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> or paste our jokes into self-destructing pastebins
[21:29]  * daftykins remotes in and do-release-upgrade's TJ- to 14.04 minimum; fixed it for you!
[21:32] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: alot of bus already exist, google bug logo on pics
[21:32] <lotuspsychje> bugs
[21:33] <TJ-> daftykins: I have a chroot for 14.04 on the side in there, but decided to to make it a completely fresh 16.04, so taking my time over it
[21:37] <TJ-> OK, bug-03.svg uploaded; refresh and view
[21:40] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i like 2 best still
[21:40] <lotuspsychje> mor charisma
[21:41] <TJ-> Yes, I tend to agree
[21:41] <TJ-> -03 looks like a fried egg
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> ==>going to higher levels
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> nite nite mates
[21:44] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: You free ? Got a stumper in channel . Grub not seeing the file system . 'ls' gives no joy !
[21:45] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: hey, yeah
[21:46] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: As 'ls' has no return .. just sic e2fsck on the file system ?
[21:47] <EriC^^> hmm
[22:03] <daftykins> :D
[22:07] <slidinghorn> dumb question:  on the forums, how do I disable code tags (i.e. I'm trying to tell a user how to use them in my post)
[22:10] <Bashing-om> slidinghorn: Code tag tutorial : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2171721&p=12776168#post12776168 .
[22:20] <slidinghorn> Bashing-om: thanks
[22:32] <Bashing-om>  EriC^^ IRT Turion :: My notes are unreadable - not meaning to leave you holding this bag - trying to re-construct .
[22:40] <EriC^^> daftykins: are you good with dns stuff?
[22:41] <daftykins> EriC^^: mmmm probably not, what's the situation?
[22:42] <EriC^^> i'm trying to setup a cname for a shell
[22:42] <EriC^^> i didn't know what a cname was like 20 mins ago
[22:43] <EriC^^> anyways in the domain i set the nameserver, and in the nameserver provider i added a cname record for a subdomain pointing to that free shell which has the site
[22:44] <EriC^^> it points to the main page of the shell provider though
[22:45] <daftykins> i thought i once read a CNAME points to an A record which points to the IP
[22:45] <EriC^^> i think i have to add a virtual host so the shell knows to forward to my own page or something? or can that be done by .htaccess or .. i was reading something about proxy requests
[22:45] <TJ-> Grrr, my IPv6 issue appears to be due to a transparent proxy on my ISPs network failing
[22:45] <EriC^^> like can i use another free proxy request server instead ( cname pointing to that ) and that proxy tells it to go to my shell?
[22:46] <EriC^^> daftykins: as i understood the cname and a-record are similar or something
[22:47] <TJ-> CNAME is an alias for another name; which will be an A record
[22:47] <TJ-> or AAAA record
[22:48] <daftykins> is the shell just an account on a shared box online at $some_IP that you want to have wow.eric.com to point to? :)
[22:48] <TJ-> CNAME stands for 'canonical name'  e.g. "www     IN      CNAME   @" aliases www to the base domain name
[22:48] <EriC^^> daftykins: when i feed it my user.shell.com it's pointing to the server1.shell.com
[22:48] <EriC^^> not the main page of shell.com
[22:48] <EriC^^> daftykins: yes, it is :)
[22:50] <daftykins> mmm out of my depth unfortunately, i've only dealt with standard A records, MX records and at a push SPF and TXT ones
[22:51] <pauljw> bbl... dinner
[22:52] <EriC^^> daftykins: i found this online, as you said "A CNAME is actually not a redirect, but an alias. A CNAME is equal to the original A-record in that both work exactly the same."
[22:52] <EriC^^> how's it knowing to redirect to server1.shell.com though?
[22:53] <daftykins> is that maybe what your other address or IP resolves to?
[22:53] <EriC^^> man life was so simple today in the morning, i thought browser > isp > isp's dns > get ip , life is so complicated now
[22:53] <daftykins> hehehe
[22:53] <daftykins> it's quite the complex thing really, i don't pretend to understand it but vaguely know of the worlds' 13 root servers and so on
[23:00] <EriC^^> i got dc
[23:01] <EriC^^> didnt get any msgs
[23:02] <OerHeks> oh
[23:05] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Fo not think you missed much in the DC .
[23:05] <daftykins> EriC^^: i think whatever IP you have a name pointing to must resolve to that server1.
[23:08] <EriC^^> i can sense like paranormal activity box kind of stuff from Turion
[23:09] <EriC^^> paranormal activity: the ubuntu box O.O
[23:10] <daftykins> ugh another Mint liar
[23:13] <TJ-> right now I'm ready to wipe out letsencrypt
[23:14] <TJ-> supposed to be an 'easy' way to get a TLS X509 cert with their script... which fails with an error... from a script that it promptly deletes so I cant check it... and they don't provide a manual method of obtaining a certificate.


[00:00] <xivulon> should be ok now (except for transparency and some remaining bugs)
[00:00] <xivulon> I plan to try grub2 now so some breakage is expected
[00:34] <evand> xivulon: I did.  I filed a bug about it not using the native theme.
[00:34] <evand> This was in Windows 7, which as mentioned previously, does not work with the NT bootloader integration code in Wubi
[00:34] <evand> xivulon: you should grab a copy if you can spare the bandwidth and space, the beta is free.
[00:35]  * evand bed, out
[00:35] <xivulon> ehe my hd is full do not have 10gb for a new vm
[00:35] <xivulon> ops too late
[08:51] <foka> Hi!  I know it is a totally crazy question, but I am wondering how hard it would be to backport the Debian-installer in 8.10 to 8.04.x so that hardy can be installed on machines with FakeRAID (SATA RAID)?  :-)
[08:53] <foka> I am seriously considering giving it a try, but would like to hear from you, ubuntu-installer gurus here esp. the scope and difficulties involved before I begin diving into it.  Many thanks!
[08:56] <davmor2> evand, cjwatson: Are there actually any netboot images yet I only see hardy and intrepid on cdimages but they are listed on the tracker?
[09:04] <cjwatson> davmor2: they're on archive, but may not be properly linked. Talking to Steve about it now
[09:07] <davmor2> cjwatson: ta
[10:00] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r593 trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs):
[10:00] <CIA-3> oem-config: Start bterm and give oem-config a controlling terminal if using the
[10:00] <CIA-3> oem-config: debconf frontend.
[10:09] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r594 trunk/ (debian/changelog oem-config):
[10:09] <CIA-3> oem-config: Point stderr back to the log file after starting bterm, since it
[10:09] <CIA-3> oem-config: redirects it to the tty.
[14:08] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1036 ubuntu/ (build/pkg-lists/base debian/changelog):
[14:08] <CIA-3> debian-installer: Remove bootchart-udeb; it's been unmaintained for a long time, may not
[14:08] <CIA-3> debian-installer: work properly any more anyway, and we hardly ever used it.
[14:57] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r595 trunk/ (debian/changelog oem-config-firstboot):
[14:57] <CIA-3> oem-config: Run the debconf frontend in a UTF-8 locale (en_US.UTF-8, since d-i
[14:57] <CIA-3> oem-config: guarantees that that always exists) so that newt uses proper window
[14:57] <CIA-3> oem-config: borders and can display non-ASCII characters.
[14:59] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r596 trunk/oem-config: fix log file name
[14:59] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r597 trunk/oem-config: fix typo
[15:57] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r598 trunk/ (debian/changelog oem-config): Redirect stderr to the log file as early as possible in oem-config.
[15:59] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r599 trunk/oem-config: catch OSError too
[16:07] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2996 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity debian/changelog):
[16:07] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Adjust the way we open the debug log so that sys.stderr doesn't end up
[16:07] <CIA-3> ubiquity: being fd 4.
[17:27] <CarlFK> http://wiki.debian.org/FosdemVideo2009  i'm trying to help these guys out, who are scrambling to get everything together right now, which is why I am not bothering them.  so I am bothering ya'll :)
[17:27] <CarlFK> something isn't quite right with a preseed file
[17:28] <CarlFK> preseed is the problem I would like to work on, but trying to simulate the bootable usb stick is now my problem: this boots, but hangs: http://dpaste.com/117027/
[17:29] <CarlFK> running an installer in a vm seems like something this #chan would know something about ...
[17:30] <CarlFK> debian-40r6-i386-businesscard.iso   is 50mb, so it won't take all day to run that script