[00:30] <jsmidt> How do you mark a bug triaged?  Do you have to be a member of a certain team?
[00:30] <jsmidt> If so, how can I get someone to mark it triaged for me?
[00:31] <jsmidt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcalctool/+bug/327019
[00:31] <andresmujica> yes, u need bugcontrol
[00:31] <jsmidt> andresmujica, thanks.
[00:34] <hggdh> jsmidt, I added the upstream bug watch, and marked as triaged. Thank you for your help
[00:35] <jsmidt> hggdh, thanks,
[04:06] <jsmidt> Could somebody close this bug report, it isn't really a bug:
[04:06] <jsmidt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/326997
[04:08] <danbhfive> isnt it already closed?
[04:10] <maco> looks like it...
[05:24] <d-b> hi how do i mark a bug as closed / fixed ?
[05:25] <d-b> nm
[05:30] <maco> d-b: fixed is Fix Released
[05:30] <maco> i think only bug control can mark that status though, so if youre not in it, ask us here
[05:31] <d-b> maco: ok then can you mark another bug for me ?
[05:32] <maco> yeah
[05:34] <d-b> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/195798
[05:34] <d-b> in debian experimental and upstream (samba) a patch has been issued so that the client handling is done properly. i have not tested it yet.
[05:35] <d-b> however, i think this bug should gain a higher level than unknown... perhaps ?
[05:36] <maco> oh we dont set that
[05:37] <maco> that is automatically pulled from the upstream bugtrackers
[05:37] <maco> for ubuntu it is set to Low
[05:37] <d-b> ok.
[05:37] <maco> if it says Unknown it means debian hasn't set an importance level
[05:38] <d-b> maco: um.. its assigned no ?'important'
[05:38] <d-b> "Severity: important"
[05:38] <d-b> in samba is "normal"
[05:39] <d-b> perhaps it takes some time to get the info
[05:44] <maco> it can take up to 24hr
[05:45] <maco> its also possible that launchpad doesnt know quite how to map their importance to its importance
[05:45] <maco> ex: when debian archives a bug it could be one of two things A) it's fixed B) they gave up
[05:45] <maco> we use Fix Released and Invalid
[05:45] <maco> they just use Archived
[05:46] <maco> so all of their Fix Released and It's Old And Reporter Has Gone Ghost So Nevermind are both shown as "Fix Released" in LP
[05:47] <d-b> you are effenber0x0 right ?
[05:47] <d-b> sorry misread it
[06:30] <jsmidt> Isn't there a way to set the status of a bug to needs more info?
[06:30] <jmarsden> jsmidt: Incomplete
[06:30] <jsmidt> jmarsden, thanks.
[06:30] <jmarsden> np
[06:33] <dholbach> good morning
[06:48] <jsmidt> dholbach, your harvest updates on fedora patches?
[06:48] <jsmidt> Anyway it could update on other distros like opensuse and maybe upstream pateches as they come in?
[06:49] <jsmidt> Sorry, I worded things wierd: can you get patch updates from other distros and upstream with harvest?
[06:50] <dholbach> jsmidt: everybody can write a script that generates a .csv file from something and get it added to harvest :)
[06:50] <dholbach> jsmidt: that's the nice thing about harvest
[06:50] <dholbach> I have no plans at the moment to write any script, but improve harvest itself - I'm a bit busy with all kinds of stuff right now
[06:51] <jsmidt> Yeah, I'm sure it would be work.  But in principle it could be done?
[06:51] <jsmidt> Is there an easy way to find where I would get new patch info from opensuse?
[06:52] <dholbach> I have no idea how opensuse does their patch thing
[06:52] <jsmidt> Or some bugzilla based upstream project?
[06:52] <jsmidt> Okay
[07:17] <jsmidt> dholbach, good news! I found it: http://tmp.vuntz.net/opensuse-packages/patch.py
[07:17] <jsmidt> Now I just need to figure out how to get a script to update with new patches as they come in.
[07:19] <Ryan52> bug 310250
[07:21] <Ryan52> why doesn't ubottu respond in private message?
[07:22] <Ryan52> it's sooooo much faster to ask ubottu for the full link to a bug report than to manually type it, or to notice that the emails LP sends out have a link in the footer. :P
[07:24] <d-b> um just a question https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apachetop/+bug/294599 shows a apachetop debdiff is there something else required (just out of interested) before it is commited (just watching / wanting to know)
[07:33] <Hobbsee> d-b: yes, ubuntu-universe-sponsors needs to be subscribed, which i've just done
[07:33] <d-b> Hobbsee: i'm trying to use the patch (as i would like to run said software) but i can't build !
[07:33] <d-b> (even without patch)
[07:34] <maco> using autotools stuff or pbuilder?
[07:35] <d-b> ./configure ... and make atm
[07:35] <maco> maybe there's magic in the packaging?
[07:35] <maco> try building the actual package
[07:35]  * Hobbsee notes the config.* stuff should be removed from that diff, too
[07:36]  * Hobbsee also notes that should be sent to debian.
[07:37]  * d-b Hobbsee me tests
[07:37] <d-b> its probably going to work due to the compile tho (on debian)
[07:37] <d-b> yeah it works.
[07:38] <d-b> apachetop isn't hardened in debian lenny.
[07:41] <Ryan52> d-b, don't bother trying to manually compile.
[07:41] <d-b> Ryan52: i gave up ^^ sure but i can't use his patch using just the patch file and p1 ^^
[07:42] <Ryan52> Hobbsee, and the other changes should use a patch management system.
[07:44] <d-b> Ryan52: i meant -> i can compile the original from ubuntu using apt-get -b source apachetop but i can't get his patch to work (if i apt-get source it and then do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
[07:45] <Ryan52> ah, ok.
[07:59] <d-b> um. same result on using hardening wrapper on debian (crash) what kind of a bug would i submit tho ?
[08:01] <Ryan52> does Ubuntu's package use hardening wrapper?
[08:01] <d-b> Ryan52: yeah by default you guys seem to use it.
[08:01] <d-b> (at least for this)
[08:02] <Ryan52> there's no debdiff between debian and ubuntu...they're the same.
[08:02] <d-b> Ryan52: no i meant your compile options
[08:03] <Ryan52> did Ubuntu do a distro wide rebuild with hardening-wrapper on or something? 0.o
[08:04] <d-b> Ryan52: apparently ?....
[08:04] <Ryan52> o noez.
[08:04] <d-b> rofl.
[08:13] <d-b> ok i submited bug to debian.
[08:34] <Ryan52> d-b, that bug you reported in Debian is actually different than what you made it seem to be :)
[08:35] <Ryan52> the bug isn't that apachetop doesn't work with hardening-wrapper.
[08:35] <Ryan52> that's just a side affect of the real bug, which is a that it has a buffer overflow problem.
[08:35] <Ryan52> (I think)
[08:36] <d-b> Ryan52: oh yeah sure. i admit that -> my brain is dead atm.
[08:36] <d-b> the bug is that the limit is to low and set to 128 instead of something more meaningful as i understand it
[08:36] <Ryan52> ya.
[08:37] <Ryan52> well, sort of.
[08:37] <d-b> oh ?
[08:38] <d-b> i got my understanding from the diff at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=309968&action=diff
[08:41] <Ryan52> ah, ok.
[08:41] <d-b> btw is this package actually maintained ? last release was 2005...
[08:43] <Ryan52> and last upload to Debian was 2008-07-03. so ya, in Debian it is. and therefor Ubuntu, too.
[09:17] <danage> asac: re: bug 286859 i don't have the card anymore. but i have a different card in my new thinkpad that doesn't work at all to which i'll give you debug output once i get around to it. sorry for delaying this
[09:21] <d-b> Ryan52: i meant upstream...
[09:21] <asac> danage: thanks
[09:22] <Ryan52> d-b, ya.
[09:22] <d-b> its the tickets are full of spam and the source not changed in 3 years
[09:22] <d-b> its just that*
[09:22] <Ryan52> o
[09:45] <danage> asac: i'll file a separate bug about it
[09:50] <asac> danage: ok. please subscribe me so the bugmail gets in high-prio mailbo
[09:50] <asac> x
[09:52] <danage> asac: will do, thanks
[10:59] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: ping
[15:08] <bddebian> Boo
[16:01] <savvas> would you consider this a wishlist bug or a brainstorm idea? Bug #319146
[16:02] <mvo> savvas: a good idea, would you be interessted in writing a wiki page that we can link to?
[16:02] <mvo> savvas: or a text document maybe?
[16:05] <savvas> mvo: should I take the bug description and wiki-fy it? I've made the bug report really detailed :) What should I include for a wiki page and.. which title to use?
[16:07] <mvo> savvas: there is already support in update-manager to show a dialog that the distro is no longer supported, I was thinking that it should come up with a link in addtion to explain about why it is end-of-life, what this means and how to upgrade
[16:08] <mangilimic> savvas: I was wondering whether is it possible to change the status of your bug report to confirmed?
[16:08] <mvo> savvas: the goal is of course to make sure the regular method of upgrades works again, the fact that it does not currently is a bug :/
[16:09] <charlie-tca> mangilimic: it is possible, but the reporter should never confirm his own bugs
[16:10] <savvas> mangilimic: hey! :) since mvo is the developer of update-manager, I think we have the green light to set it back to confirmed :)
[16:11] <mvo> savvas: yeah, I think that is fine, I need to look into the details and will comment on them, please prod me if I haven't done that by tomorrow :)
[16:12] <savvas> mvo: I see what you mean, a page explaining the end-of-life status and possible solutions, I'll get right on to a simple text document, I'll attach it as a comment on that bug report!
[16:12] <mangilimic> charlie-tca: thank you for this hint. So it was better to ask mvo instead of savvas! I apologize.
[16:13] <charlie-tca> np, Go ahead and confirm it.
[16:13] <savvas> mangilimic: set it to confirmed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/319146/+editstatus
[16:13] <mvo> thanks savvas and mangilimic
[16:13] <mangilimic> savvas: thank you! :)
[16:13] <mangilimic> mvo: you are welcome
[16:34] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: did you need something earlier when you pinged?
[16:36] <BUGabundo> yeah ogasawara
[16:36] <BUGabundo> 2 things
[16:36] <Elbrus> james_w: ping. Can you help me with bug 304249 (I like to get the fix in Jaunty before feature freeze.)
[16:36] <BUGabundo> one should be quick
[16:37] <BUGabundo> right side (2) usb ports the mouse is slugish
[16:37] <james_w> Elbrus: sure, sorry I haven't got round to sponsoring it
[16:37] <BUGabundo> works ok on the left side ports ogasawara
[16:37] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: bug # for that?
[16:37] <BUGabundo> old bug already happened from time to time on ibex, new on jaunty
[16:37] <BUGabundo> not yet
[16:37] <BUGabundo> wanted to know what I needed
[16:37] <BUGabundo> haven't restarted yet, just to be sure I had all logs
[16:38] <Elbrus> james_w: I think the change is rather small now (with the latest version)
[16:38] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: when you file, attach lsusb info, also dmesg output for when it's working and when it's sluggish might be interesting
[16:38] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: then of course the usual, lspci -vnvn info and kernel version
[16:39] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: have you tested any other usb devices with those ports?
[16:39] <BUGabundo> 2nd bug: hibernate/suspend/resume
[16:39] <BUGabundo> suspend broken for long time, hibernate was working REALLY well up until last week
[16:40] <BUGabundo> really fast resume (less then 25 secs)
[16:40] <BUGabundo> now broken...
[16:40] <BUGabundo> will not resume
[16:40] <BUGabundo> colenting data for bug 1
[16:40] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: is this on Jaunty?
[16:40] <BUGabundo> jaunty
[16:40] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.28-6-generic #17-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 30 15:35:08 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:41] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: just curious if apports detect the failure to resume?  if so, it should file a bug automatically for you
[16:42] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: and I assume if you boot into the previous kernel it's back to normal?
[16:42] <BUGabundo> doesn't detect
[16:43] <BUGabundo> I have to force poweroff or alt-sysreq REISUB
[16:43] <BUGabundo> screen is blanck
[16:43] <BUGabundo> changing to TTys does nothing ogasawara
[16:44] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: when you file the bug (if you haven't already) definitely not the most recent version of the kernel where this was working and the version which caused the regression
[16:44] <ogasawara> s/not/note/
[16:45] <maco> ogasawara: is it too late in the dev cycle to request that an out-of-tree driver be merged?
[16:46] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/327253
[16:46] <BUGabundo> adding rest of logs
[16:46] <BUGabundo> it was OK with -6 too
[16:46] <ogasawara> maco:  might still be able to make it - if you can, file a bug with the request
[16:46] <BUGabundo> but now doesn't work
[16:47] <ogasawara> BUGabundo:  so it wasn't a kernel update which broke it?
[16:47] <BUGabundo> nope
[16:48] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: -5  and -4 already had resume from suspend not working
[16:48] <BUGabundo> and 50% for resume from hibernation
[16:49] <BUGabundo> one week and half ago resume from hibernate was 200% nice ... really fast resume
[16:49] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: with -6 correct
[16:49] <BUGabundo> when it reached desktop, no more disk usage, so it was perfect in every sense
[16:49] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.28-6-generic #17-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 30 15:35:08 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:49] <BUGabundo> this one... more or less any extra update for -6
[16:50] <BUGabundo> all logs filed to bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/327253
[16:51] <Elbrus> james_w: do you think it needs work from my side, or do I just have to wait till you have time to look at it?
[16:52] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: done... now for resume
[16:52] <maco> ogasawara: for bug 215604 there's a driver now that works for photo mode and is a bit slow on video mode. the developer's been working with the community to improve it for the last few months
[16:52] <BUGabundo> how to log/debug?
[16:52] <BUGabundo> maco I'm affected by that one two
[16:52] <maco> yes
[16:52] <maco> i know
[16:52] <BUGabundo> really nice driver now... but need a suport from V4L
[16:52] <maco> thank you for telling me he'd released a new tarball
[16:53] <BUGabundo> I won't be made into the kernel in time for jaunty
[16:53] <BUGabundo> acording to Nol
[16:53] <BUGabundo> lots of changes yet
[16:53] <maco> oh ok
[16:53] <maco> well i was guessing he meant upstream kernel
[16:53] <BUGabundo> and nol said he was going to revert it yet again
[16:53] <maco> oh
[16:53] <maco> ok nevermind then
[16:54] <maco> i heard from dtchen that linus looks more favorably upon patches which major distros have already reviewed/accepted to accept into the mainline kernel
[16:54] <BUGabundo> due to failure and crash of amsn and something else
[16:54] <BUGabundo> WITHOUT v4l
[16:54] <BUGabundo> humm
[16:54] <BUGabundo> well the old version was stable enough for me
[16:54] <BUGabundo> that one "could" make its way into the kernel
[16:54] <maco> which reminds me...
[16:55] <BUGabundo> back
[16:55] <BUGabundo> pidgin crashed
[16:55] <BUGabundo> as I was said...
[16:55] <BUGabundo> the changes the Nol is trying to make so that the driver work with v4l
[16:55] <maco> argh. i attached the patch that made my sound work in ubuntu to a bug report in upstream alsa and they havent looked at it.
[16:56] <BUGabundo> have failed... and he made a new internal version that would separate it from the kernel
[16:56] <BUGabundo> but crashed his test bed
[16:56] <maco> is it currently only v4l2?
[16:56] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: are you able to ssh into the machine after it fails to resume from hibernate?
[16:56] <BUGabundo> the stable version (old) is v4l2 only
[16:56] <BUGabundo> and work some what ok.... no skype
[16:56] <BUGabundo> never tried it
[16:56] <BUGabundo> I can test it if you need
[16:56]  * maco grumbles about skype being proprietary anyway
[16:57] <BUGabundo> with new version skype detects my webcam maco.... but then won't work, as I'm 64 bits
[16:57] <maco> did you try on 32bit?
[16:57] <BUGabundo> I just run 64bits on this laptop
[16:57] <BUGabundo> I could try a daily iso
[16:57] <maco> install 32bit on a spare hard drive and see what happens?
[16:58] <BUGabundo> will give it a try , and post to the forum
[16:58] <BUGabundo> anything else ogasawara?
[16:59] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: well I'd assume if you didn't make and kernel updates, and are now experiencing this regression, it's likely another package causing the issue
[17:00] <BUGabundo> nvidia driver?
[17:00] <BUGabundo> I'm using nv since Friday due to bug 326344
[17:00] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: ahh, if it's nvidia it might be a known issue
[17:01] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: bug 324895
[17:01] <BUGabundo> and I also have the webcam driver that maco mentioned
[17:01]  * BUGabundo checking bug
[17:01] <ogasawara> BUGabundo:  which Nvidia card do you have?
[17:02] <BUGabundo> geforce 8400m G
[17:02] <BUGabundo> one year old card
[17:03] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing - might be worth investigating if you can capture a stack trace as Bryce mentions in that bug
[17:03] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing - might be worth investigating if you can capture a stack trace as Bryce mentions in that bug
[17:04] <BUGabundo> as I was saying
[17:04] <BUGabundo> one year old card
[17:04] <maco> ooh right....i need to rig up a usb webcam with my other laptop and cheese to try to take a pic of a kernel panic for ogasawara...
[17:04] <maco> stupid camera's charger had to go and grow legs
[17:04] <ogasawara> heh
[17:05] <BUGabundo> plus, when it fails to allow me access to the screen, I tried to go to tty, and login there
[17:05] <BUGabundo> but had no disk usage
[17:08] <james_w> Elbrus: sorry, got pulled away to something else
[17:08] <james_w> Elbrus: your patch looks fine. My only question is with the "cp" you added to debian/rules
[17:09] <BUGabundo> now on xchat
[17:09] <Elbrus> james_w: np
[17:09] <BUGabundo> pidgin is crash far too much today
[17:09] <james_w> Elbrus: there is no corresponding change to the clean rule, so your package will fail to build twice in a row
[17:09] <BUGabundo> bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/317897 and a few others
[17:10] <Elbrus> james_w: why will it fail? the preset.xml file just gets replaced right?
[17:10] <james_w> Elbrus: i.e. first build will cp to debian/presets.xml, the clean doesn't remove it, and then the second build will fail as the target exists
[17:10] <james_w> err, no, you are right of course
[17:10] <Elbrus> it does exist the first time around as well. So I should put a rm before the cp?
[17:11] <james_w> no, it's ok
[17:15] <BUGabundo> maco, does the webcam work for u ?
[17:15] <BUGabundo> with the new driver?
[17:22] <maco> er the answer to BUGabundo was "ys
[17:24] <james_w> Elbrus: uploaded, sorry it took so long
[17:28] <BUGabundo> back
[17:28] <BUGabundo> finally fixed wifi
[17:29] <maco> BUGabundo: yes the webcam works for me
[17:29] <maco> i can take photos just dandy...hence the new identi.ca av
[17:30] <maco> video...it only caught like 3 seconds out of 15-20 seconds of recording, and they weren't even consecutive seconds
[17:31] <BUGabundo> i give up on pidgin
[17:32] <BUGabundo> it cant stay connect for more then a few minutes
[17:36] <Elbrus> james_w: np and thanks
[17:52] <BUGabundo> ahh finally tracked down what was crashing pidgin (this time)
[17:52] <BUGabundo> an new account plugin
[17:52] <BUGabundo> to see how long it lasts
[17:57] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: going to try hibernated followed by ssh
[17:57] <BUGabundo> byr
[18:11] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: it was really X
[18:11] <BUGabundo> failing to resume
[18:11] <BUGabundo> got traceback
[18:11] <BUGabundo> uploading now
[18:11] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: if the stack trace is not the same as in that bug, you should open a new one
[18:14] <BUGabundo> I opened a new one with apport
[18:14] <BUGabundo> then mark it as dupe
[18:14] <BUGabundo> let me check if it is similar
[18:15] <BUGabundo> doesn't look the same
[18:15] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/327301
[18:19] <BUGabundo> be back in a few min
[18:45] <jbuncher> Are there any kernel devs in here that could help me troubleshoot intel wireless connectivity?  Connecting to WPA Enterprise SSID Hidden with 2.6.24-23 always fails, but with 2.6.24-22 it always succeeds.  Bugreport and syslogs for failed and successful connection attempts are at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317976 .  Thanks for your time!
[19:22] <thomasdelbeke> Hi there
[19:25] <MrKanister> thomasdelbeke: Hi
[19:26] <thomasdelbeke> Hi there MrKanister
[19:26] <thomasdelbeke> That was the landlord harrassing me
[19:27] <thomasdelbeke> sorry 'bout that
[19:27] <thomasdelbeke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/irssi/+bug/327213
[19:27] <thomasdelbeke> I posted a new bug
[19:27] <thomasdelbeke> I fear it may be too much again
[19:28] <thomasdelbeke> but I think the last gdb could contain good data
[19:28] <thomasdelbeke> no?
[19:29] <thomasdelbeke> also valgrind ...
[19:29] <thomasdelbeke> !pastebin
[19:30] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116162/
[19:30] <thomasdelbeke> what do you think?
[19:30] <thomasdelbeke> refile reduced?
[19:36] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116164/
[19:37] <kari_> I'd like to add information to Bug #323823. I'm not a member in the launchpad so maybe somebody here can take a note.
[19:37] <MrKanister> thomasdelbeke: hmmm...I am not that good at evaluating valgrinds and backtraces, but I think the more information you give the better
[19:38] <thomasdelbeke> ok thanks
[19:38] <thomasdelbeke> I leave it like this then?
[19:39] <MrKanister> sorry for my late answer, I assumed you write my name so I would have benennotified :)
[19:39] <MrKanister> thomasdelbeke: Yes, I would leave it that way. If someone needs more or other information he/she will ask you
[19:39] <thomasdelbeke> sorry MrKanister
[19:40] <MrKanister> thomasdelbeke: np
[19:40] <thomasdelbeke> thanks a lot
[19:40] <thomasdelbeke> cu
[19:40] <MrKanister> bye
[19:41] <kari_> the same problem reported in the Bug #323823 started in my gutsy after updating to the kernel 2.6.22-16. I can not use the latest kernel because of the bug. Running 15 now w/o problems. That's why I guess the bug came with the last kernel update.
[21:20] <hggdh> sigh. Another "shoot and run" :-(
[21:59] <MadsRH> #ubuntu-dk-bugjam
[21:59] <MadsRH> ups. typo - sorry for the noise :-X
[22:41] <jbuncher> Are there any kernel devs in here that could help me troubleshoot intel wireless connectivity?  Connecting to WPA Enterprise SSID Hidden with 2.6.24-23 always fails, but with 2.6.24-22 it always succeeds.  Bugreport and syslogs for failed and successful connection attempts are at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317976 .  Thanks for your time!
[22:50] <IntuitiveNipple> jbuncher, Interesting... On Jaunty with hidden SSID I'm seeing the same issue with iwl3945
[22:51] <jbuncher> IntuitiveNipple:  Yeah, I haven't tried intrepid, since I don't have a laptop with that installed.
[22:52] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm not sure what kernel version is used in the Hardy installation here (the disk is out of the PC right now) but that boots okay.
[22:52] <jbuncher> IntuitiveNipple:  Would you have any idea as to what specific change occured that would cause that?
[22:53] <IntuitiveNipple> I would if i had the other disk connected, but right now I'm moving the laptop to a 400G drive and currently installing and moving stuff over
[22:58] <joumetal> jbuncher: Please add Minimal information from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies. That's all I know.
[23:04] <jbuncher> joumetal:  Thanks, I'll do that as soon as possible.


[16:10] <kim0> Hi folks .. I plan to be improving the server-guide a bit
[16:10] <kim0> what's the best way to contribute ?
[16:10] <kim0> file bugs and attach merge proposals ?
[16:18] <Atamira> youd be better off posting that to the mailing list
[16:18] <Atamira> you may get a quicker answer than in here
[16:19] <Atamira> unless someone is actually aware in here?
[16:19] <Atamira> other than me
[16:38] <jbicha> merge proposal works well, and you don't need to open bugs
[16:39] <jbicha> you could also post to the mailing list to make sure that the right people see that you have MPs that need to be looked at
[18:07] <Seven_Six_Two> I am interested in creating a page that can help new users help themselves. including information like how to get logs, how to use log info in search, mentioning that forum search should be done before posting question, running programs in terminal to get more information
[18:08] <Seven_Six_Two> man, info, help
[18:08] <Seven_Six_Two> I would like it to be official, but I am unsure of the process. Should I just go ahead and create a page on the wiki?
[18:11] <jjesse> yes
[18:13] <Seven_Six_Two> jjesse, does it give me the opportunity to create the page alias too? Thanks for the info, I'll figure it out.
[18:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hello team! Where can I find the manual for 11.04?


 QA ISO links now corrected and working again ..
 Gah! Our iso is oversized again.
 Remind me..what is correct size? 1.9Gb? (re @kc2bez: Gah! Our iso is oversized again.)
 I recently had them update it to 2.6Gb
 Firefox double? Both snap and package? (re @kc2bez: Gah! Our iso is oversized again.)
 Is it?
 It shouldn't be. I removed it from the seed.
 The deb anyway
 I added the snap. You should be able to see that with a snap list
 Check the manifest and my bug report 1963672 latest ISO
 ok
 They switched the deb to be transitional to the snap now so it should just be a dummy package.
 OK ..but still double on app menu
 uff, ok
 the transitional package is stuck in proposed
 Good to know, thanks @RikMills
 https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#firefox


[00:59] <persia> qense: I'm not finding enough context from backscroll.  Ping me again, or send me email about your idea.  Something about team coordination?
[05:54] <calc> yipee OOo 44% triaged now :)
[05:57] <calc> there are only a few packages with higher percentage in the top 100
[05:58] <calc> 122 more bugs to have it have the highest triaged percentage :)
[05:58] <lifeless> cool
[05:58] <calc> 122 bugs will probably take a few days though
[07:14] <calc> anyone happen to remember the top 100 package bug report url for lp?
[07:14] <calc> i can't find a link to it on lp itself
[08:08] <Hew> Hi. I'm trying to verify bug #221673. I've created the .asoundrc correctly, but now I get: 'ALSA lib pcm.c:2106:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so' instead of the assertion failed error.
[08:09] <Hew> I have not yet installed the version in hardy-proposed. I have also checked that the file in the error I get does not exist.
[08:33] <Hew> I applied to be a member of ubuntu-bugcontrol a week ago, but I haven't heard anything yet. I notice there are 58 of us waiting, and the team is being advertised in this channel's topic. Can anyone provide some info on how long the process usually takes? No doubt bdmurray is busy, but I'm eager to take my triaging to the next level ;-) Thanks!
[10:41] <afflux> hi
[11:03] <thekorn> hey afflux
[11:03] <afflux> hi thekorn
[11:06] <\sh> moins thekorn
[11:07] <emgent> heya \sh :)
[11:07] <thekorn> \sh, hi, I'm just reading the code of leonov
[11:08] <thekorn> and try to understand how this pykde and pyqt thing work
[11:10] <\sh> thekorn: ah..too early...I'm just setting up the real directory structure to make things happen much faster :)
[11:10] <\sh> the ui is totally changed now..
[11:12] <thekorn> \sh, one idea: if you really would like to have a pygtk version, it might make sense too use a kind of generic (pyqt independent) data-model
[11:12] <\sh> thekorn: backend :)
[11:13] <\sh> thekorn: the idea is to have all needed infra inside backend...but gtk/qt specific stuff (this applies to the listviews data models) are bound to the frontend...
[11:15] <thekorn> \sh, ok, makes sense, so the structure will be something like qt/{model,view} and gtk/{model,view} plus the generic backend/
[11:16] <\sh> yepp
[11:17] <\sh> I don't see an other way to do that
[11:17] <\sh> the same goes for the configuration...
[11:26] <thekorn> \sh, some time ago I wrote a small gnome applet to trigger changes of someones bugs, given that leonov should be the "one and only" desktop client
[11:26] <thekorn> and I have currently no time to maintain the code
[11:27] <thekorn> I'm fine with merging this applet into leonov :)
[11:27] <thekorn> https://edge.launchpad.net/lp-bugs-applet
[11:28] <\sh> thekorn: cool :)
[11:31] <thekorn> \sh, what I really wanted to say is: having a notification functionallity in leonov like 'you are subscribed to bug xxx, this bug changed' would be really cool
[11:32] <thekorn> and that's what lp-bugs-applet is about
[11:44] <qense> hello
[11:52] <Hew> Hi. Bug #206992 has been fixed upstream, but has not reached Ubuntu. Should this bug now be "fix committed"? I'm unsure since the fixed version doesn't seem to be on the Ubuntu radar yet.
[11:58] <Hobbsee> yes
[11:59] <Hobbsee> fix committed == "there is a fix.  somewhere.  not in any ubuntu version yet"
[11:59]  * Hobbsee wonders when supertuxkart will make another release.
[11:59] <Hew> Hobbsee: Thanks for the reply. I was unsure since Bugs/Status says "For an Ubuntu package, the changes are pending and to be uploaded soon"
[11:59] <Hew> Hobbsee: 0.5 is out, I have it via getdeb and it's pretty cool :-)
[12:00] <Hew> but Debian is still on 0.4, I checked
[12:02]  * Hobbsee kicks debian's rmadison
[12:04] <Hobbsee> they've had a bug about it, is ee.
[12:05] <Hew> Hobbsee: Sorry for not understanding, but what's ee?
[12:05] <Hobbsee> s/is ee/i see/
[12:06] <Hobbsee> sorry :)
[12:06] <Hew> ah gotcha
[12:07]  * Hobbsee tries the old poke-and-it-shall-be-fixed approach.
[12:08]  * Hew watches on in hope
[12:28] <gnomefreak> ee is a basic text editor ;)
[12:29] <afflux> I wonder why we still use fix committed for "fixed upstream". I thought that using a project task for it was the launchpad'ish way.
[12:29] <gnomefreak> i use confirmed until i fix it or until someone else is working on it
[12:29] <gnomefreak> but thats just mozilla team
[12:32] <qense> There are a lot of bug reports about brightness controls lately
[12:33] <qense> some about key action reported twice or more at once
[12:33] <qense> or no reaction at all
[12:33] <qense> I've lost the overview a bit, so I'm going to create an overview page at my blog
[12:33] <qense> do you know any bug reports about this to include?
[13:04] <james_w> qense: hi, do you have a reference?
[13:04] <james_w> qense: it seems I may be seeing that testing now, and my media keys don't seem to work either.
[13:04] <qense> I've got five bugs now, and they are a bit reporting the same problems, or two at the same time:
[13:04] <qense> bug 207473
[13:04] <qense> bug 239413
[13:04] <qense> bug 203096
[13:05] <qense> bug 212733
[13:05] <qense> and bug 239706
[13:05] <qense> there are also others of course, but this are the bug reports that seem related somehow
[15:43] <Hew> Hey guys. seb128 just closed my wishlist bug #227350 because I have not set the "locale" time to 24h format. I've asked in #ubuntu, but nobody knows where this "locale" time can be set. Before I reopen the bug, could someone give their opinion on whether it should be opened or closed? Thanks.
[15:51]  * Hew gives his question a first and final bump
[15:55] <thekorn> Hew, it should definitely be closed
[15:55] <thekorn> if you want to change the locale setting for one program, run
[15:55] <thekorn> LC_TIME=en_GB rhythmbox
[15:58] <Hew> thekorn: Thanks for your reply. I just tried that, and along with some "locale not supported" messages, the time is still in 12h format. I'm not concerned about changing the setting for one program though, but in changing the global system value to 24h format so all programs follow it.
[15:58] <Hew> I thought I already had with the standard clock preferences, but seb128 says this isn't the case
[16:04] <thekorn> Hew, sorry I've some guests here, please ask in a support channel on how to change your locale settings
[16:04] <Hew> thekorn: no worries, thanks for your help
[16:05] <thekorn> or convert this bug into a question, and I'm sure somebody will give you the right answer soon
[16:33] <LimCore> it seems k8 cpu freq support is broken?
[19:06] <danage> since a few days, my external USB drive turns off a few seconds after i connect it. also, i have suspend issues with khubd. anybody familiar with the bug? if it's new, where should i file it?
[19:08] <leoquant> danage you have not reported the bug? so no bug nr.?
[19:08] <danage> leoquant: not yet. i wanted to avoid duplicates and also find out how to gather more info before i submit
[19:09] <leoquant> i see
[19:09] <danage> leoquant: is there a usb syslog?
[19:09] <james_w> usb information appears in /var/log/syslog
[19:10] <leoquant> hmm i don´t think so
[19:10] <leoquant> james_w indeed
[19:10] <danage> james_w: ok let me check
[19:11] <james_w> danage: have you installed a kernel update in the last few days?
[19:11] <danage> http://pastebin.ca/1047973
[19:11] <danage> then, the drive spins down
[19:11] <leoquant> the hardy -19 james_w?
[19:11] <james_w> probably
[19:11] <danage> james_w: yes, i have. but i rolled back the kernel to -17 and it still has the problem
[19:12] <danage> i am running -18
[19:12] <danage> why is network manager fuzzing with usb devices?
[19:13] <james_w> a kernel upgrade would be a likely cause, but if the old one no longer works then we can rule that out
[19:13] <leoquant> ik think you should report it
[19:13] <james_w> danage: can you use another pastebin please, I can't get to pastebin.ca.
[19:13] <james_w> !paste
[19:15] <danage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20185/
[19:15] <james_w> thanks
[19:15] <danage> no error message. i find that strange
[19:16] <james_w> danage: can you check if you upgraded hal-info or a related package in the last few days?
[19:17] <danage> james_w: i think i have. let me check
[19:19] <danage> james_w: i am using 20080317+git20080318-1ubuntu4
[19:19] <danage> which packages are related?
[19:22] <greg-g> w00t! just closed out a bug from the 3000 range (opened 2005-10-10)
[19:22] <james_w> danage: sorry, got to go out, but someone else might be able to help.
[19:23] <james_w> danage: does downgrading hal-info to the hardy release version fix it, if so then I would suggest filing a bug against that.
[19:24] <james_w> danage: and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHal should help you file a good bug report if that is the case.
[19:47] <calc> almost 50% triaged for OOo :)
[20:11] <jjesse> yay
[20:11] <LimCore> calc: including my wish for odt+pdf \o/
[20:19] <crimsun> danage: have you pastebinned your lsusb -v somewhere?
[20:20] <danage> crimsun: let me do that
[20:20] <crimsun> (I'm also tracing a hal-info hardy-proposed regression, so this is good.)
[20:20] <danage> crimsun: it stalls
[20:20] <danage> crimsun: no output
[20:20] <danage> there is something seriously wrong here
[20:20] <crimsun> danage: meaning lsusb -v stalls?
[20:21] <danage> yes
[20:21] <crimsun> ok, does just plain lsusb complete?
[20:21] <danage> no
[20:21] <danage> not as root, either
[20:21] <crimsun> ok, can you reboot and just issue lsusb?
[20:21] <danage> le tme detach the usb and try
[20:21] <crimsun> ok
[20:21] <danage> no workie
[20:22] <danage> usb GENERALLY works though. i can print
[20:22] <danage> also i am using a usb mouse
[20:22] <danage> ok i will reboot into -18 kernel
[20:25] <crimsun> excellent.  These changes to fdi/information/10freedesktop/30-keymap-hp.fdi in hardy-proposed's hal-info fubars at least three different HPs.
[20:27] <danage> crimsun: as soon as i start the usb, it stalls
[20:27] <danage> the usb drive
[20:27] <danage> needless to mention, under windows it works
[20:28] <crimsun> ok, so it persists across -18 and -19 kernels.  Have you confirmed that it also persists when you downgrade to hardy's hal-info?
[20:28] <danage> crimsun: -17 and -18 kernels
[20:28] <danage> crimsun: i do not know how to do that
[20:28] <crimsun> ah, ok.
[20:28] <danage> crimsun: i tried to google it, but there seems to be no older version in the repos
[20:28] <crimsun> sudo apt-get -thardy --reinstall install hal-info
[20:29] <danage> no space between -t and hardy?
[20:29] <crimsun> (that's just one way)
[20:29] <crimsun> sure, you can, but I normally omit it.
[20:29] <danage> crimsun: another restart?
[20:30] <crimsun> restarting hal /may/ suffice, but I recommend that you reboot.
[20:30] <danage> i think it reinstalled the same version?
[20:31] <crimsun> dpkg -l hal-info|awk '/^ii/ {print $3}'
[20:31] <danage> 20080317+git20080318-1ubuntu4
[20:32] <danage> so
[20:32] <crimsun> right, that's correct.  That's hardy's version, which is what you want to use to test.
[20:32] <danage> that's the one i had
[20:32] <danage> is it not?
[20:32] <crimsun> ah, yes, just saw from backscroll
[20:32] <danage> (11:19:00 AM) danage: james_w: i am using 20080317+git20080318-1ubuntu4
[20:32] <crimsun> so your issue isn't hal-info related at all
[20:33] <danage> what is khubd? i get a khubd error when trying to suspend. that i didn't get before
[20:33] <crimsun> there's a usb issue matching yours, let me try to find it.
[20:35] <danage> crimsun: brb
[20:38] <danage> sorry crimsun i had to reboot
[20:39] <danage> crimsun: i have virtualbox-non-ose running. it needs some tweaks for usb support. could that be related?
[20:39] <crimsun> hmm, I don't track virtualbox, so I don't know, sorry.
[20:39] <crimsun> I presumed you were testing this on the host OS.
[20:46] <danage> crimsun: yes, of course. but the host usb support needed some tweaking. but that has been working (and remained unchanged) for months now
[20:49] <crimsun> danage: ok, to help narrow down some possible causes, is ehci_hcd loaded?
[20:49] <danage> hci_usb, ehci_hcd and uhci:hcd
[20:50] <crimsun> danage: ok, let's try the simpler workaround, then.
[20:51] <crimsun> sudo rmmod ehci_hcd && echo -n -1|sudo tee /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend && sudo modprobe ehci_hcd
[20:52] <danage> yes
[20:52] <danage> no output
[20:52] <crimsun> ok, and does plugging in the drive exhibit the same symptom?
[20:53] <DanielRM> Hello?
[20:53] <crimsun> hi
[20:53] <danage> crimsun: not sure i understand. pluggin it in after these commands?
[20:53] <crimsun> yes
[20:55] <DanielRM> Hello. :)
[20:55] <danage> crimsun: it works now
[20:55] <danage> crimsun: thanks for the temp workaround!
[20:55] <DanielRM> Can I report a bug, or else get help in submitting the bug to Launchpad?
[20:55] <crimsun> sure
[20:55] <crimsun> I was just reading scrollback from #launchpad
[20:56] <danage> crimsun: let me sport a lsusb now!
[20:56] <DanielRM> crimsun: ah, so you know what my dilemma is, if not the bug itself?
[20:56] <danage> crimsun: lsusb works now
[20:56] <crimsun> DanielRM: well, I haven't finished reading
[20:56] <danage> friggin autosuspend
[20:56] <DanielRM> crimsun: have you got to the side-topic regarding faeces yet? XD
[20:57] <crimsun> danage: ok, that is fixed in 2.6.25 (and also in intrepid's kernel)
[20:58] <danage> crimsun: THANK you
[20:58] <danage> crimsun: ETA?
[20:59] <crimsun> danage: intrepid has built kernels; in the meantime, I recommend you use that workaround.
[20:59] <danage> meh, no backports?
[20:59] <crimsun> I don't think so, but I'm a bit distant from Ubuntu development these days.
[20:59] <danage> crimsun: ok one last think. which startup file do i put that in?
[21:00] <danage> thing
[21:00] <DanielRM> Wait, .25? I'm still on .24. :(
[21:00] <crimsun> DanielRM: that's correct (2.6.24) for hardy.
[21:02] <crimsun> danage: I don't know of one; you can either modify the udev rule(s) or use /etc/rc.local
[21:02] <danage> thank you
[21:02] <crimsun> DanielRM: am I correct in understanding that you're attempting to file a bug against Ubuntu Hardy's nautilus source package?
[21:03] <crimsun> ...ok.
[21:03] <DanielRM> What did I last say? :S
[21:03] <DanielRM> Just had a connection issue.
[21:03] <crimsun> 16:00     DanielRM > Wait, .25? I'm still on .24. :(
[21:04] <DanielRM> Ah.
[21:04] <DanielRM> Did you say anything after that?
[21:04] <crimsun> 16:02      crimsun > DanielRM: am I correct in understanding that you're attempting to file a bug against Ubuntu Hardy's nautilus source package?
[21:04] <DanielRM> OK. :)
[21:05] <DanielRM> crimsun: that's probably correct, although what part of Nautilus or even, exactly, if it is Nautilus or more some other part of GNOME I can't profess to know.
[21:05] <crimsun> DanielRM: ok, can you describe the symptom(s) you're experiencing?
[21:05] <DanielRM> I was trying to access a USB stick using the '3.9 GB media' label in an open file dialog when I got the error: 'You are not supposed to show G_IO_ERROR_FAILED_HANDLED in the UI'
[21:06] <DanielRM> And that's it.
[21:06] <crimsun> ok, so that symptom actually has several components
[21:07] <crimsun> the first component is linux and is, coincidentially, what danage and I just discussed.
[21:07] <crimsun> the second component is nautilus as you correctly surmised.
[21:07] <crimsun> the third component is gvfs.
[21:07] <DanielRM> Oh?
[21:08] <danage> multi layer problems, how wonderful
[21:08] <DanielRM> I'm using 2.6.24-19 kernel, BTW.
[21:08] <DanielRM> I'd quite like to know how to get .25 :P
[21:09] <crimsun> DanielRM: well, let's see if we can just work around the root cause for now, which is in linux.
[21:09] <crimsun> I need to grab a phone call, but if danage doesn't mind, he could help you through it
[21:09] <DanielRM> OK. :)
[21:10] <crimsun> danage: if you have a few minutes and don't mind, DanielRM just needs to issue those commands I referred to you
[21:10] <danage> crimsun: i don't mind
[21:10] <crimsun> 15:51      crimsun > sudo rmmod ehci_hcd && echo -n -1|sudo tee /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend && sudo modprobe ehci_hcd
[21:11] <danage> DanielRM: that's basically what you run in shell before you activate your usb device
[21:11] <danage> (i.e. plug it in)
[21:11] <danage> and that does the trick
[21:11] <danage> i will look for a more permanent solution soon
[21:13] <DanielRM> Wait, I only understand some of that command. We're removing the kernel module ehci_hcd, which is what exactly? Then we're echoing... something... to tee, which is... searching?... for that path/status, and then we're loading the kernel module again?
[21:13] <danage> yeah
[21:13] <danage> you got it
[21:13] <DanielRM> Sorry, I just like understanding things as well.
[21:16] <danage> crimsun: i reported in #ubuntu-california about the usb bug and someone said you are a guru. so thanks again
[21:17] <crimsun> (nah, I'm no guru, just a disaffected Ubuntu user.)
[21:17] <DanielRM> Disaffected? Why?
[21:18] <crimsun> DanielRM: you're unloading a usb driver, changing a usb setting, and reloading a usb driver.
[21:19] <DanielRM> I didn't get your answer, if you gave one, but I'm becoming disaffected now. :P
[21:19] <crimsun> 16:18      crimsun > DanielRM: you're unloading a usb driver, changing a usb setting, and reloading a usb driver.
[21:20] <DanielRM> Wrong window was selected after I closed a window, so when I pressed alt-f4 the thing which didn't close happened to be what I wanted to and thing which did happened to be the IRC client. :P
[21:20] <marnanel> Someone did raise a bug recently asking for an "undo close" command.
[21:21] <DanielRM> Ah, OK.
[21:31] <DanielRM> marnanel: hmmm. An interesting thought.
[21:32] <DanielRM> marnanel: what sort of functionality did they want with it?
[21:34] <marnanel> DanielRM: Just a button that if you pressed it, the window would spring back to life again
[21:34] <marnanel> I suppose it would be a lot easier in OS X than here
[21:34] <DanielRM> I just wondered whether they were thinking of something like recovering the program's status at time of close... that would be quite difficult.
[21:35]  * marnanel nods, as far as I could make out they were
[21:35] <marnanel> that's what I meant about OS X -- closing windows never terminates an application there
[21:40] <DanielRM> Oh?
[22:09] <marnanel> DanielRM: yes, you have to specifically close the application from the menu
[22:10] <marnanel> DanielRM: closing all the windows, or the main window, to close the app is an X and Windows idea
[22:38] <thekorn> \sh, FYI I created a package of the latest version of py-lp-bugs in the bughelper-dev team PPA
[22:38] <thekorn> https://edge.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/+archive


[09:33] <cub> I suppose we will cancel the vote of new PL as only one candidate is registered and last day was yesterday?
[09:43] <sakrecoer_> i don't feel like i have a say :D i mean... that would make it a putch! lol
[12:11] <zequence> sakrecoer_: Congrats. I will announce it later today.
[12:29] <sakrecoer_> :D
[12:31] <sakrecoer_> but.... will you stay for a cup of coffee zequence ?


[04:12] <pitti> doko_: ./configure has an --enable-numpy option, so it looks like it just relies on p-numpy-dbg already depending on p-numpy
[04:12] <pitti> Good morning
[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[07:31] <didrocks> cjwatson: FYI, killed the cache on lillypilly
[07:46] <didrocks> slangasek: FYI, settings with system update published, in -proposed right now
[07:46] <slangasek> didrocks: sw33t \o/
[07:50]  * ogra_ hopes we'll soon get Mir and lightdm so we can finally switch to ti
[07:50] <ogra_> *it
[07:51] <ogra_> (it = system updates)
[07:52] <slangasek> ogra_: how are Mir+lightdm related to this?
[07:52] <ogra_> slangasek, missing logind blocks a lot of features
[07:52] <slangasek> ogra_: "a lot of features" but not image-based updates AFAIK
[07:52] <ogra_> and logind integration will only come with lightdm ... which sill only come with Mir
[07:53] <ogra_> slangasek, no, but properly working click packages without hacks :)
[07:53] <slangasek> ah, fair
[07:53] <ogra_> if we woould just switch we would have to ship with developer mode enabled by default .... which defeats the purpose
[07:54] <ogra_> it is MIr+lightdm -> system images  -> system partitions .... DONE :)
[07:59] <slangasek> ogra_: it doesn't defeat the purpose; it still improves code consolidation even if we're not able to turn it on by default yet
[07:59] <slangasek> we won't block delivering system updates on Mir+lightdm
[07:59] <ogra_> hmm
[08:00] <mpt> ev, had you noticed the error rate graph has gone blank?
[08:05] <ev> mpt: yes. We're had to suspend the existing database and move to a new one. We'll merge the two once everything is settled, but until then the only data on errors.u.c is from Thursday onward
[08:05] <ev> I'll send out an annoucement to ~error-tracker-access
[08:13] <mpt> ev, how long will the merging take?
[08:14] <ev> mpt: I don't have an accurate estimate for that. We're not out of the woods on fixing the old database.
[08:14] <mpt> ev, in that case, maybe put a notice on the front page itself, not just on a mailing list
[08:15] <ev> will do
[08:15] <mpt> :)
[09:32] <ev> seb128, Laney: if either of you have time for a small merge: https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/ubuntu-system-settings/automatic-error-reporting/+merge/177348
[09:58] <Laney> ev: sure
[09:58] <Laney> ev: did you do anything about polkit prompting in 0.9?
[10:29] <ev> Laney: it's on my todo list for today
[10:29] <Laney> cool
[11:40] <ev> Could I have the eyes of another core dev on this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy-error-reporting/+merge/177363 (adds whoopsie and apport to Touch)
[11:44] <xnox> ev: what is /etc/apport/autoreport a config-file, a conf-file, or a stamp?
[11:45] <ev> xnox: stamp
[11:45] <xnox> ev: syntatically the merge proposal looks correct =)
[11:45] <ev> whoop :)
[11:51] <infinity> I'm trying to decide if we want the new shiny dpkg or if the changeset scares the crap out of me and I should wait for a week or so for it to cook in Debian.
[11:52] <jpds> infinity: Both.
[11:52] <infinity> Heh.
[11:52] <infinity> Yeah, there are definitely things in here we want (potentially even need), but I think I'll let it simmer a bit.
[11:52] <ogra_> infinity, the future is click anyway, just leave it idle :P
[11:53] <cjwatson> Click doesn't replace dpkg </knee-jerk>
[11:53]  * mitya57 wants xz compression by default (new dpkg has it)
[11:53] <xnox> infinity: i wanted xz by default since Maverick =)
[11:54] <infinity> Heh, yeah, I know a few people are waiting for that. :P
[11:54] <infinity> I'm also happy about the dpkg-shlibdeps/LD_LIBRARY_PATH changes, though that won't be useful until debhelper changes to match.
[11:58] <Mirv> "On the upload and publication side, we made upload processing run every
[11:58] <Mirv> minute rather than every five minutes" - hurray!
[11:59] <infinity> It's always the little things that make people happy. :)
[12:24] <pitti> jibel: ah, the new libgphoto breaks umockdev's autopkgtest; the reason why this wasn't caught in -proposed is that umockdev doesn't directly depend on libgphoto2, but on gphoto2 which then depends on libgphoto2, right?
[12:24] <pitti> jibel: i. e. we only consider direct dependencies, not transitive ones?
[12:30] <cjwatson> pitti: it's true that we only currently consider direct dependencies
[12:30] <pitti> cjwatson: ok, thanks for confirming
[12:30] <pitti> it's not a biggie in this case, I just want to understand what's going oin
[12:30] <pitti> on
[12:31] <infinity> Do we plan at some point to do away with the public/private mess on excuses and actually give people without Canonical QA VPN access the ability to see tests in progress?
[12:31] <infinity> I'm always suspicious that "running" actually means "broken".
[12:32] <infinity> Especially in the case of things like the linux test that's been running all weekend. :P
[12:32] <infinity> pitti, jibel, cjwatson: ^
[12:33] <cjwatson> I'd love to but don't have the power.
[12:33] <pitti> infinity: I'm afraid I don't know; that's a question for retoaded and the lab admins
[12:33] <infinity> Sure, I was more curious if you knew of such a plan, not if you were going to execute it. :)
[12:33] <cjwatson> And yes, that does appear to mean "broken".
[12:33] <cjwatson> ld: final link failed: No space left on device
[12:33] <pitti> infinity: we should at least allow everyone in Canonical (especially the release team) VPN access
[12:33] <infinity> Okay, same failure as always.
[12:34] <infinity> cjwatson: I've hinted past that one, as I always do.
[12:34] <cjwatson> But you can see that on the public instance too.
[12:34] <cjwatson> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/job/saucy-adt-linux/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/70/console
[12:34] <infinity> cjwatson: Wondering if the "running" eglibc and quagga ones are equally broken.
[12:34] <pitti> and I don't think it's particularly restricted, it's mostly just asking for it AFAIK
[12:34] <cjwatson> infinity: eglibc appears to be genuinely in its test suite.
[12:34] <pitti> there is not currently a running quagga test
[12:34] <pitti> there *is* a running eglibc test
[12:35] <infinity> cjwatson: Kay, so eglibc is just slow.  Check. :P
[12:35] <cjwatson> quagga finished fairly recently so maybe it'll catch up next run.
[12:35] <cjwatson> Though, an hour ago
[12:35] <rickspencer3> hey hey
[12:35] <rickspencer3> starting again
[12:35] <cjwatson> infinity: I think there are still some bugs in adt-britney collect.  They're hard for me to interpret
[12:35] <rickspencer3> oops, wrong channel ;)
[12:35] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[12:35] <rickspencer3> hi pitti
[12:36] <infinity> Sure, no rush, this is conveniently all slotting into the time while armhf is building, as engineered.
[12:36] <infinity> rickspencer3: Guten Tag und Schtuff.
[12:36] <rickspencer3> hi infinity
[12:36] <rickspencer3> I'm actually on the IoM atm
[12:36] <rickspencer3> but, yeah
[12:36] <rickspencer3> das is dein sprint
[12:37] <infinity> I don't speak Manx, you'll have to suffer with faux German.
[12:37] <pitti> hm, the failing autopkgtest is actually right -- gphoto2 --auto-detect indeed does pollute stderr with tons of libusbx output
[12:37] <pitti> why do we have libusb debugging on by default now?
[12:37]  * pitti digs
[12:38] <infinity> cjwatson: I was, frankly, pretty shocked to see only 19 tests spin out of the eglibc upload anyway.  Either our test coverage is awful, or we're not doing a good job finding rdeps.
[12:39] <infinity> cjwatson: (Well, I know our coverage is awful, but I didn't think it was THAT bad)
[12:40] <pitti> infinity: I guess that might again be due to not doing transitive deps?
[12:40] <infinity> pitti: Transitive shouldn't really matter here.  Everything and its dog depends on libc6.
[12:41] <cjwatson> infinity: Does seem a bit low.
[12:41] <infinity> pitti: (At least, every C and C++ project, that is)
[12:41] <infinity> Maybe all our tests are in python projects. :P
[12:42] <pitti> we do have a lot of GI and python stuff, but we should have way more than 19 C-ish tests
[12:42] <cjwatson> Certainly a lot of them are
[12:56] <pitti> infinity: "Jenkins Fixed - saucy-adt-eglibc 42"
[12:56] <pitti> infinity: thanks!
[12:59] <infinity> pitti: \o/
[13:00] <infinity> pitti: I was holding my breath, waiting for it to pass.
[13:02] <infinity> cjwatson: Yeah, I think the collection on quagga is "stuck".  eglibc went from running to passed, but quagga's still running.
[13:08] <cjwatson> infinity: I think it sometimes gets confused when different architectures' results come in at enough-different times, but I'm not sure
[13:08] <cjwatson> Hoping jibel can investigate
[13:16] <pitti> didrocks: as oneconf is one of the two broken tests that currently block pygobject: are you still interested in this in the least, or should I just drop the XS-Testsuite: for the time being?
[13:17] <jibel> last run of quagga <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1 passed, I haven't yet investigated why it is still marked running
[13:56] <smoser> hey.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5925348/
[13:56] <smoser> anyone have a better way to get "time that /sbin/init was started"
[13:56] <smoser> as that pastebin doens't make any sense to me. it seems like static-network-up-emitted was created before init was started
[13:57] <smoser> by .15 seconds.
[13:57] <stgraber> smoser: static-network-up is emitted right after ifupdown returns which usually means right after ntpdate was called and updated the system time
[13:57] <smoser> bah
[13:58] <smoser> so if i have ntpdate installed
[13:58] <smoser> i can't trust timestmaps on files
[13:58] <slangasek> smoser: "time that /sbin/init was started" - do what ps does when walking /proc?
[13:58] <stgraber> you can trust them after ntpdate ran, but anything before that may have an incaccurate timestamp
[13:59] <smoser> funny. but you can't realistically know when ntpdate ran.
[13:59] <stgraber> (unless you look at the kernel log buffer which uses ms since kernel startup as timestamp)
[13:59] <smoser> yeah, but the info i'm interested in isnt there.
[14:00] <smoser> slangasek, what time in ps were you talking aobut?
[14:01] <pitti> jibel, cjwatson: hm, so my libgphoto2 fix is now held by the failing gvfs, but the Debian sync that broke it in the first place went through even though gvfs was already failing at that time
[14:01] <smoser> duh. start_time.
[14:01] <smoser> hah.
[14:01] <pitti> jibel: do we perhaps not cover all rdepends sometimes?
[14:01] <pitti> or was that overwritten by u-release somehow?
[14:02] <slangasek> smoser: yep :)  I don't see offhand where in /proc that comes from, but the ps source would say
[14:03] <smoser> oh well.
[14:03] <smoser> so maybe i'll explain problem and see if others could give better way to solve.
[14:04] <smoser> i'm looking to  just print a report of certain events and when they occurred. and then ideally map that to a utc timestamp, and want at least millisecond level granularity.
[14:04] <smoser> the events i'm looking for are at least "kernel load time", "init executed", "network up", and then some from cloud-init. cloud-init log has timestamps that i can get at.
[14:06] <slangasek> smoser: you could also examine what bootchart does; it knows when we switch from initramfs to rootfs, etc
[14:07] <kirkland> smoser: you could cross reference with dmesg, which has microsecond granularity since boot;  find a couple of common events and then map/reduce those together
[14:07] <smoser> but not if those events are not in dmesg.
[14:09] <smoser> hm.. so nothing "easy". well, thanks for thoughts.
[14:33] <mterry> slangasek, regarding the MIR email, if there are multiple teams subscribed to a bug, how does errors.ubuntu.com know which is the "owning" team?  (you intimated it has such a concept)
[14:54] <roaksoax> mterry: o/! So to speed up things, we do have WI's to write dep8 tests for all the cluster stuff, and will definitely work on enabling the crmsh ones, but it is not something I'm can take care of right now
[14:57] <mterry> roaksoax, are the WIs for 13.10 timeframe?
[14:57] <roaksoax> mterry: yes
[14:58] <mterry> roaksoax, k
[15:03] <infinity> gdb Depends: gdbserver seems suboptimal...
[15:03] <slangasek> mterry: shared ownership, which is valid and allowed :)
[15:04] <slangasek> mterry: so it shows up on the list for earch team
[15:04] <mterry> roaksoax, I created a bug for tracking purposes, and assigned you.  Feel free to reassign
[15:04] <slangasek> each
[15:04] <mterry> slangasek, ah OK.  :)
[15:04] <roaksoax> mterry: awesome! thanks!
[15:06] <doko> TheMuso, ping about #1196967
[15:26] <jbicha> Riddell: could we get a rebuild of kdeplasma-addons for the ibus transition?
[15:40] <Riddell> jbicha: yeah can do
[15:40] <infinity> Riddell: I was just about to commit and upload, don't sweat it.
[15:41] <Riddell> infinity: thanks
[15:42] <infinity> (Well, after a test build)
[15:51] <smoser> i'd like someone's thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1206164
[16:41] <ev> uhm, is it intentional that the running application in Touch consumes all the input, regardless of its state? If launch the gallery app, then do a kill -STOP $(pidof gallery-app), I have no way out (until I kill with -CONT)
[16:41] <ev> taking this to the appropriate channel
[16:42] <didrocks> pitti: barry introduced those tests as AP tests, it seems they never passed, I don't have the time to fix them TBH so dropping seems good
[16:44] <didrocks> pitti: I should find why this new ugettext crash though…
[16:53] <barry> pitti, didrocks which tests?
[16:53] <didrocks> barry: the oneconf autopkg tests, pitti told they never passed
[16:54] <barry> didrocks: darn
[16:55] <barry> didrocks, pitti let me try that locally
[16:56] <didrocks> barry: thanks!
[19:04] <mhall119> kenvandine: want to package Poppler 0.24 for me?
[19:05] <mhall119> pretty please?
[19:05] <seb128> mhall119, I'm doing poppler packaging, why do you need it?
[19:05] <mhall119> seb128: the docviewer core apps wants to start using it for PDFs
[19:06] <seb128> mhall119, they need the new version?
[19:06] <mhall119> seb128: didn't want to ping you, since it's after-hours
[19:06] <mhall119> seb128: yeah, because it has the Qt5 support
[19:06] <seb128> mhall119, nice!
[19:06] <seb128> mhall119, oh, they turned that serie stable, yeah, no problem to update
[19:07] <mhall119> cool
[19:07] <seb128> mhall119, I can look at that tomorrow
[19:07] <mhall119> thanks seb128!
[19:07] <seb128> yw
[19:07] <Laney> transition time? :-)
[19:08] <infinity> Oh joy, I just *love* poppler transitions.
[19:09] <kenvandine> seb128, thanks... glad you can do that for mhall119 :)
[19:09] <Laney> That's why they gave you the +1-maint crown. :P
[19:10] <seb128> Laney, looks like another of those ;-)
[19:10]  * kenvandine has compiled this plugin soooo many times on the phone... this time has to be the one!
[19:12] <infinity> kenvandine: I think you just jinxed it.
[19:12] <kenvandine> hehe
[19:13] <infinity> kenvandine: This is the build where you phone bursts into song, starts twirling around on your desk, and then sets itself on fire.
[19:13] <infinity> s/you/your/
[19:13] <kenvandine> nope, it worked :)
[19:13] <infinity> Yeah, or that.
[19:13] <infinity> I always get those two outcomes mixed up.
[19:13] <kenvandine> seb128, i have it displaying those services from the SIM :)
[19:13] <kenvandine> infinity, hehe :)
[19:13] <seb128> kenvandine, \o/
[19:14]  * kenvandine should have never tried exposing the QMap to QML... that is a disaster
[19:14] <seb128> kenvandine, did you end up wrapping the qt api?
[19:14] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:14] <ogra_> oh oh ... all your secrets exposed
[19:14] <seb128> kenvandine, do you add that to qtsystems?
[19:14] <Laney> the SIM services stuff in phone?
[19:14] <seb128> Laney, yes
[19:14] <Laney> that's exciting
[19:14] <kenvandine> seb128, no...
[19:14] <Laney> I didn't know we had some API for that already
[19:14] <kenvandine> private plugin in system-settings
[19:14] <seb128> Laney, ofono has one and qt bindings
[19:15] <kenvandine> Laney, ofono-qt has it
[19:15] <Laney> nice
[19:15] <Laney> go go settings which work
[19:15] <seb128> kenvandine, that wfm, but ideally we would add it to qtsystems, since they already have a ofono wrapper and that's where we get the imei etc
[19:16] <seb128> Laney, speaking of which I've moved the ringtone etc settings to the shared schemas, if you approve the mr today I can make system settings and phone app use those keys tomorrow
[19:16] <seb128> hint hint hint ;-)
[19:16] <Laney> seb128: OK, I can do a schema one but not qml stuff now
[19:16] <kenvandine> seb128, are we already patching qtsystems?
[19:16] <Laney> upstream it?
[19:16] <kenvandine> Laney, of course :)
[19:17] <Laney> :P
[19:17] <kenvandine> but i am wondering what our current delta is
[19:18] <seb128> kenvandine, we don't have one, but loicm is assigned work to a platform backend for Ubuntu afaik
[19:18] <seb128> kenvandine, check with pat maybe
[19:19] <seb128> or Mirv might know
[19:21] <kenvandine> seb128, oh, qtsystems5 wraps the ofono dbus API
[19:21] <kenvandine> not libofono-qt
[19:21] <kenvandine> that seems suboptimal
[19:22] <kenvandine> ls
[19:22] <Laney> . ..
[19:22] <kenvandine> whoops :)
[19:40] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, well it works... ;-)
[19:47] <chiluk> Daviey jdstrand   can I get some SRU love on  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1179781 ?
[19:48] <chiluk> comments #4 and #5 have debdiffs waiting for upload.
[19:49] <Daviey> chiluk: if nobody beats me, i'll take a look tomorrow morning.  Too tired to look now.
[19:49] <chiluk> awesome thanks..
[19:50] <chiluk> Daviey you were the patch pilot for today right?
[19:50] <chiluk> I'll add you on copy just in case
[21:26] <smoser> anyone python3 friendly have ideas ?
[21:26] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5926783/
[23:03] <cjwatson> smoser: You haven't set func to anything - no set_defaults calls
[23:04] <cjwatson> Perhaps that's relevant?
[23:06] <Snow-Man> argh.  ipv6 down *again*? :(
[23:07] <cjwatson> Snow-Man: If this is about a Canonical service, I doubt most people in this channel will have a clue how to help.  #canonical-sysadmin is more likely to stand a chance.


[06:47] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: you online?
[06:47] <Mithrandir> ToddBrandt: yes
[06:47] <ToddBrandt> question
[06:48] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: what does this mean:
[06:48] <ToddBrandt> Rejected:
[06:48] <ToddBrandt> Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.
[06:48] <ToddBrandt> Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'universe' of file 'moblin-keyboard-manager_0.51.dsc'
[06:48] <ToddBrandt> I tried to upload that package to ubuntu-mobile and it still complains to me that I don't have access
[06:49] <ToddBrandt> That message was in the email sent to me after I used dput moblin-keyboard-manager_0.51.changes
[06:50] <ToddBrandt> I just tried uploading 0.40 of moblin-applets and I expect I'll be getting the same message in a few minutes
[06:52] <Mithrandir> you need to upload to the ubuntu-mobile ppa
[06:52] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: this is my .dput.cf file
[06:52] <ToddBrandt> [moblin-ppa]
[06:52] <ToddBrandt> fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[06:52] <ToddBrandt> method = ftp
[06:52] <ToddBrandt> incoming = ~ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu
[06:52] <ToddBrandt> login = anonymous
[06:52] <ToddBrandt> allow_unsigned_uploads = 0
[06:53] <ToddBrandt> passive_ftp = 0
[06:53] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: is that what controls my uploading to the ubuntu-mobile ppa?
[06:55] <Mithrandir> you need to do dput moblin-ppa moblin-keyboard-manager_0.51.changes
[06:55] <Mithrandir> (or have something like:
[06:55] <ToddBrandt> oh ok
[06:55] <Mithrandir> [DEFAULT]
[06:55] <Mithrandir> default_host_main = moblin-ppa
[06:55] <Mithrandir> above it)
[06:57] <ToddBrandt> ok, I just retried both
[07:11] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: ok, pheww, finally they are accepted. Thanks
[08:42] <dholbach> good morning
[14:08] <tonyespy> Fenario: I'm working at the cafe for an hour so, then headed in... when do you have time today for me to fiddle w/your laptop?
[19:14] <dholbach> Library Packagin Session in #ubuntu-classroom
[20:32] <ToddBrandt> davidm: What's the default translation file we need to create? en_CA.po is canadian english and en_BR.po is british english.


[00:28] <mrz80> ARGH.  Has anyone else plowed headalong into what appears to be a fairly wellknown unfixed bug in the USB XHCI code?
[10:32] <random> Hello everyone.
[10:33] <random> I'm experiencing crashes with ubuntu studio 20.04 (also tried 20.10 and it was worse)
[10:33] <random> Anyone has an idea?
[18:07] <aladiof[m]> I am having the same problem.  "The application Studio Controls has closed unexpectedly
[18:17]  * aladiof[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/CSHbcCXhYiRyUNldUwgltVCD/message.txt >
[18:18]  * aladiof[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/igpeTHcJjlLkxqkohtIxVYvP/message.txt >
[18:20] <tomreyn> you run 20.10, though
[18:22] <tomreyn> do you have some messages about it crashing in    journalctl -eb   ?
[18:22] <tomreyn> (quit the viewer by pressing q)
[18:37]  * aladiof[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/JBlXDKmffisLEETnZbdLchhG/message.txt >
[18:45] <tomreyn> aladiof[m]: maybe post the whole log. gdm seem to think your graphics performance is too low, but this can also be a result of hardware acceleration not working properly. you can run   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:46] <tomreyn> make sure you install the pending updates and reboot first of all, though
[18:47] <tomreyn> !uptodate
[18:47] <aladiof[m]> Ok...... i will be back in a bit with all that you asked for
[18:50] <tomreyn> me, too, got to have some food
[18:50] <aladiof[m]> Enjoy
[20:52] <aladiof[m]> i ran  journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999 after doing  the updates and upgrades and switching to the latest nvidia driver 455
[20:53] <aladiof[m]> Still having problems
[20:53]  * aladiof[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YBIMBLNqBPIxQYYuVJDuWpLS/message.txt >
[20:54] <aladiof[m]> oh and I changed my hostname in case you are wondering
[21:23] <tomreyn> aladiof[m]: hi, thanks for posting, and sorry about my late response. but this is not any more than we had last time, and not the output of    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:05] <aladiof[m]> oops https://termbin.com/bcj0b
[22:07] <aladiof[m]> That thing is a giant haystack!  Good luck finding the needle...
[22:25] <tomreyn> aladiof[m]: did you add the "threadirqs" kernel option? because this should not be needed when you're already on a kernel with lowlatency patches
[22:26] <tomreyn> your bios version is old, you may want to look for a current one:  Dell Inc. XPS 8700/0KWVT8, BIOS A11 07/09/2015
[22:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> tomreyn: That's not true. CONFIG_IRQ_THREADED does not do the same as threadirqs.
[22:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> The threadirqs is added by the ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings package.
[22:28] <tomreyn> Eickmeyer[m]: okay. it's what i read while strolling through notes i found online just now, thanks for clarifying
[22:30] <tomreyn> autojack is the first application crashing, from what i can see
[22:32] <tomreyn> this seems to lack some apparmor rules
[22:33] <tomreyn> but i guess the real issue is just a bad build or bug of autojack
[22:33] <tomreyn> aladiof[m]: ^
[22:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> Actually, if one has the latest version of studio-controls and deletes the configuration in .config/autojack, then it should reset it to normal. This has been the number one fix for most people with this issue. aladiof , tomreyn
[22:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> tomreyn: RE: threadirqs, this was part of a discussion I had recently: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NXf4NftTNG/
[22:36] <tomreyn> hmm, what a poor name
[22:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> Those were sent to me from someone else, not my words.
[22:55] <aladiof[m]> I deleted /home/sparky/.config/autojack/studio-controls.lock and tried to restart studio controls but it still chrashed
[22:55] <aladiof[m]> i will look into up grading my bio
[23:00] <aladiof[m]> apt remove autojack?
[23:05] <aladiof[m]> be back after I upgrade my bios
[23:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> [aladiof](https://matrix.to/#/@aladiof:matrix.org): Make sure you also set the device you are using as master and not relying on the default. Your system might not have "default". Also, autojack is part of studio-controls package and is what makes the system work (Studio Controls is the front-end for autojack).
[23:36] <aladiof[m]> I can run QjackCtl  maybe that will be all i will need
[23:37] <aladiof[m]> I did upgrade the bios.  Thank you for that tip!
[23:47] <aladiof[m]> I would like to get this working...  but it is time to let this go till tomorrow
[23:47] <aladiof[m]> Have a nice evening and thanks so much for the help!


[02:10] <cowsquad> should I tried ubuntu quetzal? Any thoughts guys?
[02:12] <cowsquad> anybody in here?
[03:48] <DracoDan> http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/quantal/universe/base/targetcli
[03:48] <DracoDan> that page says the latest version is Latest version: 	2.0rc1-2
[03:48] <DracoDan> I have 2.0rc1, there's a difference between the two, right?
[03:48] <DracoDan> how can I get the latest?
[03:48] <DracoDan> I'm really sorry if that seems like a silly question
[03:59] <TJ-> "2.0rc1" is the upstream version. Everything after the "-" is the Debian and Ubuntu version: -<deb-ver>[ubuntu<ubuntu-ver>] e.g. -3ubuntu2
[03:59] <cortexA9> hello
[04:11] <cortexA9> anyone tried daily iso ?
[05:07] <cortexA9> hello
[05:08] <cortexA9> daily iso not work for me :(
[05:09] <wilee-nilee> cortexA9, IN what ways?
[05:10] <cortexA9> wilee-nilee: kubuntu. ubiquity seems stop at timezone.
[05:11] <wilee-nilee> cortexA9, YOU have checked the download with a md5sum?
[05:11] <cortexA9> no but i am sure that the iso is good
[05:11] <cortexA9> yesterday i have this problem too
[05:12] <cortexA9> with the daily of 7 september
[05:13] <wilee-nilee> it is a development daily, you could just wait another day I have no other help really
[05:13] <cortexA9> ok thanks :) no prob
[08:39] <saxin> How stable is the Ubuntu 12.10 release atm? I read it had just into beta. But what is your personal experience with it?
[09:09] <jokerdino> if anyone is on gnome or unity, can try editing the name of your useraccount? Settings > User accounts > unlock and edit the name.
[09:09] <jokerdino> does it crash for you if you do that?
[09:23] <ironhalik> Ok - I've got a pretty urgent question
[09:23] <ironhalik> every time I reboot my PC and open Chrome, I get ubuntu notification that my Google account login failed
[09:24] <ironhalik> and chrome opens a page with 'www.mardy.it' domain, some callback code in URL and "Authentication completed.
[09:24] <ironhalik> Please close this window."
[09:24] <ironhalik> message
[09:38] <dubaco> hi where can i get the latest iso from?
[09:39] <ironhalik> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/
[09:40] <dubaco> tack
[10:34] <NimeshNeema> what's the scheduled release date for 12.10 ?
[10:40] <phibxr> October 18th.
[10:40] <phibxr> NimeshNeema: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[10:40] <NimeshNeema> thanks phibxr
[10:47] <md_5> o.O its Amaranth
[10:47]  * md_5 runs
[10:47] <Amaranth> md_5: I'm an op here :P
[10:47] <md_5> Amaranth I know that
[10:47] <md_5> but I'm made a note of your appearance since you dont normally idle in #ubuntu
[10:47] <md_5> * I made
[10:48] <Amaranth> This isn't #ubuntu
[10:48] <md_5> All the same never really seen you in a #ubuntu*
[10:48] <jokerdino> poke
[10:48] <md_5> :( Ubuntu loco meeting was a bit flat
[10:49] <jokerdino> anything broke yet?
[10:49] <md_5> Only 3 in attendance
[10:56] <s9iper1> how can i get upgrade to 12.04 to 12.10 ??
[10:57] <s9iper1> i mean from 12.04 to 12.10
[10:57] <s9iper1> :D
[11:06] <md_5> he left
[11:06] <md_5> :(
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:03] <dmatt> after update 10.04-.10beta1, no graphics, I had to switch with jockey-text to open source driver, now jockey does not want to let me use fglrx again
[12:04] <dmatt> Erro is SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[12:04] <dmatt> error
[12:06] <dmatt> any idea what might be problem? I was not able to google succesful resolution to this
[12:08] <jtaylor> do apt-get install -f
[12:09] <dmatt> jtaylor: it does not help, i did it already also dpkg reconfigure, deleted fglrx* stuff from /var/cache/apt/archive
[12:09] <jtaylor> what are the broken packages?
[12:10] <dmatt> jtaylor: no broken packages, jockey is the only one complaining about any brokeness
[12:11] <jtaylor> install it without jockey then
[12:11] <jtaylor> is jockey even still supposed to be used? I heard it was going to be removed
[12:14] <dmatt> well, I do not know, what should be done to install fglrx manually
[12:14] <jtaylor> in the past simply installing fglrx worked for me
[12:14] <jtaylor> software-properties now handles additional drivers
[12:14] <jtaylor> you can try that
[12:15] <dmatt> ok, I got some real error message for the first time, I translate to english
[12:16] <dmatt> fglrx: depends on xorg-video-abi-12 but could not be installed
[12:16] <dmatt> problems could not be solved, some packages are broken
[12:17] <jtaylor> that probably means the driver can't work yet
[12:18] <jtaylor> it needs an update from amd for the new xserve
[12:20] <dmatt> well, in that case i would expect drivers would not show in jockey
[12:20] <jtaylor> jockey is not intended to work with beta releases
[12:21] <jtaylor> its a helper for the final releases where the packages will always work
[12:22] <dmatt> well radeon looks rather buggy also, I suspect som misconfiguration of my system
[12:26] <dmatt> beta releases are for testing, i suppose jockey needs testing as well, so it should be enabled in betas as well
[12:27] <dmatt> but i do not want to complain, I just want to verify that new fglrx was not released yet
[12:29] <jtaylor> yes the situation is not ideal, there should be better error messages
[12:29] <jtaylor> we had the same mess with nvidia until a about a week ago
[12:31] <dmatt> hm I just checked the packages and there is not new version of fglrx available since precise, only minor bumps in ubuntu versioning
[12:31] <dmatt> jtaylor: thanks for help
[12:31] <jtaylor> it all depends on amd
[12:32] <penguin42> jtaylor: I read something in the +1 release notes about jockey being deprecated - is that the command line tools as well?
[12:32] <jtaylor> don't know
[12:32] <dmatt> jockey-text
[12:32] <jtaylor> but jockey-gtk definitely is deprecated
[12:33] <dmatt> i didn't know either, but thats what i used yesterday after upgrade to beta - X didn't at all
[12:33] <dmatt> mine is jockey-kde :)
[12:40] <dmatt> well AMD released new versions in the meantime, but nothing for Quantal it seems
[12:40] <penguin42> dmatt: They'll probably do it, these things normally happen at the end of the cycle
[12:42] <dmatt> penguin42: I know, I'vbeen on AMD for few years alreday
[12:44] <dmatt> I am more surprised that radeon gives me lot of line artifacts when I manipulate with windows or menus, used to be ok in previous versions
[12:44] <penguin42> hmm what do you mean by line artifacts?
[12:46] <dmatt> when i move in menu, if something highlight, there are black lines at the edges which remain even after I move to other item
[12:46] <penguin42> dmatt: Hmm - don't get that, I'm running KDE on the Radeon drivers
[12:47] <penguin42> hd4350
[12:48] <dmatt> RV620 [Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series]
[12:49] <penguin42> nod, this is RV710
[12:52] <dmatt> i'll try to boot to live environment to verify it, still unsure if upgrade didn't cause this
[13:27] <ripps> Is it just me, or are fonts being rendered weird now. It's like they've changed the hinting so that they seem a little thinner and a little more blurry (at least to my eyes)
[14:14] <phoenix_firebrd> is kde 4.9.1 available in 12.10?
[14:16] <Daekdroom> !info kde
[14:16] <Daekdroom> !info kde-base
[14:16] <penguin42> phoenix_firebrd: Still 4.9.0
[14:16] <phoenix_firebrd> penguin42: eta?
[14:17] <penguin42> phoenix_firebrd: Don't know
[14:17] <phoenix_firebrd> penguin42: ty
[14:18] <pietro10> ok that didn't fix it
[14:19] <pietro10> After upgrading to Kubuntu 12.04 beta, Firefox doesn't show some fonts properly (Verdana doesn't get loaded when asked for; sometimes, ttl-vlgothic doesn't get loaded when japanese text is displayed). How can I fix this? blue-shell firefox odesn't fix it. Thanks.
[14:19] <penguin42> do you mean 12.04 or 12.10?
[14:22] <pietro10> yes 12.10 sorry
[14:23] <BluesKaj> pietro10, I gave you the url , that provides kde support for firefox , that should fix your problem
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> when can we expect an alpha of wayland in ubuntu/kubuntu?
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> 13.10?
[14:23] <pietro10> BluesKaj: it doesn't
[14:24] <pietro10> [10:19] <pietro10> blue-shell firefox odesn't fix it. Thanks.
[14:24] <pietro10> and in fact how do I undo the UI changes it made? reoving the package didn't fix that :|
[14:27] <Belial`> BluesKaj, i read there's a ppa from blue systems that provides better kde integration for firefox, but it looked like it was for 12.04...
[14:27] <Belial`> is there one for 12.10 or does the same ppa work?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> Belial`, scroll down the page to the OS version dropdown choice
[14:30] <BluesKaj> https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/firefox-kde
[14:31] <BluesKaj> maybe reinstalling FF after installing ff kde support will work for pietro10
[14:33] <pietro10> eh
[14:33] <pietro10> later then
[14:34] <pietro10> though I do prefer whatever font was in the URL bar before over the ubuntu font
[14:34] <pietro10> ...wait it was the ubuntu font
[14:34] <pietro10> why is it so widely spaced out now
[14:49] <BluesKaj> it should follow the system settings > application appearance font settings , unless otherwise set in FFpreferences i
[15:29] <enrico_> speak italian
[15:32] <BluesKaj> !it | enrico_
[15:32] <greenit> hi, i just installed 12.10 on my notebook, but i can't scroll with the touchpad... can any1 tell me what i have to do to get scrolling with my touchpad working again? worked with k/ubuntu 12.04... i have enabled the option in the "mouse and touchpad" system point
[15:33] <enrico_> I wanted to upgrade to ubuntu 12.10 I have to give that command, I now have version  12.04
[15:34] <BluesKaj> enrico_, sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[15:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: That won't do it from 12.04 unless you've enabled non-lts I think
[15:36] <enrico_> I have already 'tried that command but does not work
[15:36] <BluesKaj> penguin42, good point , is LTS only enabled by default ?
[15:36] <penguin42> yeh
[15:36] <penguin42> there's a note in the release notes
[15:37] <penguin42> if I could find the release notes
[15:37] <trism> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_12.04_LTS
[15:37] <BluesKaj> because I don't have muon installed that command worked for me
[15:37] <enrico_> Check a new release of ubuntu
[15:37] <enrico_> No new release found
[15:37] <enrico_> this is what I answered the terminal
[15:38] <penguin42> trism: Thanks!
[15:38] <penguin42> can someone replace the download link in the /title with that URL minus the # bit ?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> enrico_, open muon and follow the instructions ,on the url that trism posted
[15:43] <BluesKaj> trism, yeah that URL is gonna be handy when October rolls around ... gonna get plenty of requests needing that helpful site :)
[15:45] <penguin42> is it worth an SRU to do-release-upgrade on precise to actually give some diagnostics to -d (e.g. no suitable release found, only looking for LTS see....)
[15:53] <trism> actually a pretty good idea, we deal with the same thing every two years, would be nice to give some clues
[15:54]  * BluesKaj saves the relavant bookmark for future use
[15:55] <penguin42> trism: I'll add a bug for it
[15:57] <BluesKaj> er relevant
[15:57]  * BluesKaj enables spellcheck
[15:57] <Belial`> no message indicator support for kde-telepathy?
[15:57] <Belial`> or kde "im contacts" rather.
[16:01] <penguin42> trism: bug 1048285
[16:06] <smallfoot-> why does gnome-shell depend on gdm and xserver-xypher?
[16:08] <penguin42> very good question
[16:08] <smallfoot-> i think its a bit strange
[16:08] <penguin42> nod
[16:09] <smallfoot-> is it a bug?
[16:10] <penguin42> not sure
[16:12] <pietro10> ...
[16:12] <pietro10> well I figured out why firefox URL bar was looking weird, because now everything looks weird
[16:12] <pietro10> how do I re-enable font smoothing/alaiasing/whatever you call it?
[16:13] <pietro10> *eveyrthing on y system
[16:18] <pietro10> so how do I re-enable font smoothing/aliasing/etc.? I tried setting the respective option in theKDE settings but that did nothing
[16:18] <pietro10> the Ubuntu font just looks wide and none of the fonts are being smoothed so they look blurry
[16:20] <pietro10> also what should I do to report bugs with kwin's zooming (which is what I upgraded to the beta to catch)?
[16:20] <pietro10> here? or to KDE?
[16:20] <pietro10> *where should I go to
[16:20] <penguin42> probably KDE
[16:21] <penguin42> pietro10: Unless it's an ubuntu specific bug most stuff just bounces straight upstream
[16:25] <pietro10> ok
[16:25] <pietro10> not sure if they are ubuntu specific so eh
[16:25] <pietro10> I'm still wondering about the efonts though
[16:36] <ripps> I'm using gnome-shell, and fonts suddenly started looking blurry. I don't know it's kinda weird. I've messed with the font options in the gnome tweak tool (rgba + slight hinting) but it just doesn't look right
[16:37] <ripps> it seems pietro10 is seeing this in kde as well. was there a change in xorg or something, I'm not even sure what software and package is responsible for font smoothing
[16:39] <crf> Hi. I was building Totem from source. In unity, there is menu missing. If I run gnome-fallback, the menu is there.
[16:41] <IdleOne> crf: I think you need to create a .desktop file
[16:43] <crf> ok, I'll investigate that route.
[16:43] <crf> thanks
[16:46] <IdleOne> crf: this should be useful http://askubuntu.com/questions/72535/creating-desktop-files-to-use-on-the-open-with-other-application-tab
[16:46] <penguin42> yofel: Have you got a bot trained to report bugs for you?
[16:46] <yofel> we do have one for packaging bugs
[16:46] <penguin42> yofel: Very nice
[16:47] <ripps> oh! I figured out what was wrong with the fonts. I forgot that I enabled FXAA in my nvidia opengl settings, I wasn't aware it would to antialias my entire desktop using fxaa
[16:48] <pietro10> so the solution is to turn off FXAA?
[16:48] <ripps> that worked for me
[16:49] <pietro10> ...it's disabled for me
[16:49] <pietro10> actually I might have a better diagnosis now
[16:49] <pietro10> the bitmap fonts are being used and not the truetype fonts
[18:47]  * penguin42 was about to say he was impressed by llvm pipe running compiz in a vm - when it segd
[19:10] <pietro10> penguin42: oops
[20:13] <klotzek> Hi
[20:27] <pietro10> hi
[21:05] <utops> why i've got splash screen on grub from debian? even some wallpapers.
[21:14] <jbicha> utops: did you install "gnome"?
[21:17] <utops> well,yes because unity won't start  at first reboot after dist-upgrade,so i actually do that.
[21:21] <jbicha> "gnome" is the Debian metapackage to get a full GNOME desktop, it includes desktop-base which has all of the Debian art
[21:22] <jbicha> you probably want to install either gnome-shell or you can try the new ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[21:24] <MrChrisDruif> jbicha; ubuntu-gnome-desktop ?
[22:08] <stupidman> hi
[22:08] <stupidman> hey
[22:08] <MrChrisDruif> Hi stupidman
[22:08] <trism> !final | stupidman
[22:08] <stupidman> ok
[22:08] <stupidman> do 12.10 get 3.6 llinux?
[22:09] <Daekdroom> !info linux
[22:09] <Daekdroom> 3.5
[22:09] <stupidman> yes i nknow
[22:09] <stupidman> but will i get 3.6 linux?
[22:09] <Daekdroom> Highly unlikely.
[22:14] <utops> Just removed gnome-desktop and installed ubuntu-desktop,that means  unity and no gnome,right?
[22:14] <Daekdroom> Now you'll have both.
[22:15] <Daekdroom> !info gnome-desktop
[22:15] <Daekdroom> The bot might be outdated, but I presume that's the GNOME remix metapackage.
[22:17] <utops> Still? I mean i know some parts of gnome  are asimilated to unity,but whole gnome? holly macarel
[22:18] <Daekdroom> Well, removing a metapackage usually doesn't remove its dependencies.
[22:19] <lucas-arg> guys anyone having problems opening software-center?
[22:22] <utops>  sudo apt-get remove gnome* ?
[22:22] <lucas-arg> why would i do that?
[22:22] <utops> lucas-arg: sorry it's not for you.
[22:22] <lucas-arg> ok
[22:24] <lucas-arg> no idea about software center???
[22:24] <utops> lucas-arg: btw i have this problem,but not anymore after i harvest out gnome and install ubuntu-desktop . now it's working good. but i dunno where the problem really is.
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> c
[23:03] <saulotoledo> Hello all! I've installed Quantal packages here, but I'm unable to put my Gnome 3 installation in my language (pt_BR). After use "locale -a" at terminal, I see pt_BR.utf8, but I think should be pt_BR.UTF-8. This can be my problem? How can I fix this?
[23:46] <mininessie> is there a minecraft launcher to launch minecraft without paying for the launcher in the software center
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> mininessie: there's a download for the actual launcher on minecraft.net, but as far as one in the Software Center, dunno. http://www.minecraft.net/download
[23:49] <mininessie> JontheEchidna: that just get the jar and you have to run in the terminal right? which is not what i want to do
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[23:50] <mininessie> well i want to just be able to run it by clicking on an icon app type thing
[23:52] <mininessie> can i do that?


[01:39] <Bashing-om> UWN: For those wondering - still working 836 - saved for a smoke break and will get back to it :P
[02:15] <Bashing-om> UWN: re-opening 836 - edits and podcasts to go yet.
[03:22] <Bashing-om> saved and out - all caught up til morrow :D
[18:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Ubuntu 24.04 LTS Supports HEIF/HEIC Images OOTB @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-now-supports-heif-images
[19:16] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opening 836 shortly to add the stats/reports.
[20:20] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue836 up for review and final edits: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-836/44214 :D
[22:08] <guiverc> ack & thanks Bashing-om   (will get to it... eventually)
[22:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: :D Lots of time yet.
[23:06] <guiverc> Bashing-om, even though our 'week' is over.. if a noble RC notice comes thru I suggest we include..  (I keep looking for it; its getting late for that notice now..)
[23:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ^ that is indeed a "need to know".


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