[00:04] <bignose> beuno: yes, exactly.
[00:04] <bignose> can someone please tell me the email address of Marien Zwart <URL: https://launchpad.net/~marienz > ?
[00:05] <bignose> thanks beuno for the answer (via /query)
[00:05] <thumper> ok, how does one add download files for a project?
[00:06] <beuno> thumper, AFAIK, you have to add them within a series
[00:07] <beuno> so you have to create a series first  :)
[00:07] <thumper> got a series
[00:07] <thumper> beuno: but I still don't see an obvious link
[00:08] <beuno> thumper, than, https://launchpad.net/$project/+download
[00:08] <beuno> and you should have a link saying "Add download file for release: X"
[00:08] <thumper> nope
[00:08] <thumper> weird
[00:09] <beuno> thumper, maybe a milestone too?
[00:09] <thumper> No download files exist for this project.
[00:09] <thumper> made a milestone too
[00:09] <beuno> take a look at: https://launchpad.net/bzr/+download
[00:09] <thumper> yeah, seen that
[00:10] <beuno> thumper, mind sharing what project it is?  I can try and help you hunt it down  :)
[00:10] <thumper> beuno: local instance of launchpad.dev :)
[00:10] <beuno> ah
[00:10] <beuno> heh
[00:10] <beuno> that'll be tricky for me  :p
[00:10] <thumper> but I thought is was a fairly obvious thing
[00:11] <thumper> so instead of asking internally, I thought someone here might help :)
[00:12] <beuno> thumper, sorry, the rest is out of my league  :)
[00:12] <thumper> beuno: that's ok, thanks
[00:19] <mwhudson_> thumper: we'll i've managed to add a release
[00:19] <mwhudson_> thumper: are you owner/admin ?
[00:20] <thumper> mwhudson_: owner
[00:20] <thumper> mwhudson_: where do you add a release
[00:21] <mwhudson_> thumper: do you have a 'register a release' link?
[00:21] <thumper> I have a series and milestone
[00:21] <mwhudson_> on the view of the series
[00:21] <thumper> ah yes
[00:21] <thumper> ah ha
[00:22] <thumper> now I see add a download file
[00:22] <thumper> now I see the release on +download with add a file
[00:22] <thumper> f*ck that's confusing
[00:22] <thumper> and I know this system
[00:22] <thumper> sorta
[03:15] <ademung> jamesh: remember the other night when i was asking you what you thought of zope?  I'm still looking at it, and i was wondering if you could tell me what the specs are of the machines launchpad is hosted on... as i'm getting the impression zope is pretty heavy/fat
[03:17] <jamesh> ademung: we've got a pretty hefty server running Postgres and three machines running the Launchpad app behind apache as a load balancer
[03:18] <jamesh> ademung: each app server runs one instance of Launchpad per CPU core to make full use of the resources
[03:18] <jamesh> (without doing so, the Python GIL limits the amount of parallelism that can be achieved)
[03:19] <jamesh> each instance is running the default number of request threads (6)
[03:19] <ademung> jamesh: ouch, not to even begin to imply i'd ever get as much traffic as launchpad, but that seems like a prohibitively high requirement. (especially considering, and dont take this the wrong way, i find launchpad to be slow)
[03:20] <jamesh> ademung: I run the LP code locally without much trouble
[03:20] <spiv> ademung: the slowness is largely because of https, I believe
[03:20] <jamesh> smaller sites wouldn't need anything like the hardware we're using
[03:20] <ademung> jamesh: like for testing?
[03:21] <spiv> which reduces caching and increases network roundtrips.
[03:21] <jamesh> ademung: and development
[03:21] <ademung> yeah, well if i had my way it wouldn't ALWAYS be small :-p
[03:21] <jamesh> ademung: the nice thing about our setup is that the concurrency is handled through the database
[03:21] <jamesh> so scaling up to more app servers is pretty easy
[03:22] <ademung> jamesh: i assume you develop on ubuntu right? did you just install the zope3 package or what? there seems to be very little information on the subject (since dapper anywho)
[03:23] <Fujitsu> Eggs are the only sane way to get Zope 3 in Ubuntu at the moment.
[03:23] <jamesh> ademung: we've got a local copy of zope3 for LP
[03:23] <ademung> Fujitsu: eggs?
[03:23] <Fujitsu> Python eggs.
[03:24] <ademung> i cringed when i saw an entire filesystem hierarchy within /usr/lib/zope3 lol
[03:24] <jamesh> ademung: the Zope guys have been splitting Zope 3 into multiple packages
[03:24] <Fujitsu> The 3.4 split eggs setup is much, much nicer.
[03:24] <jamesh> ademung: I don't know where the Ubuntu guys are up to with packaging it now, but you can get bits from cheeseshop.python.org
[03:25] <Fujitsu> We're not doing anything, but Debian *might* be.
[03:25] <jamesh> or just do whatever the grok docs say to do
[03:32] <ademung> hrm
[03:32] <ademung> btw i should mention i really appreciate having you guys to talk to about thsi
[03:39] <ademung> hrm, taking off
[03:39] <ademung> thanks
[04:09] <maco> what does it mean if the PPA says there's a chroot wait error?
[04:11] <maco> er, it says "chroot problem" and the log's name ends in CHROOTWAIT...is that a problem with my source package or is that out of my control and i should re-upload because the server's being stupid?
[04:14] <jamesh> maco: it means something happened to one of the build machines
[04:14] <jamesh> you can probably resubmit the build
[04:15] <Hobbsee> sigh, more unwanted bugmail.
[04:15] <maco> do i need to change versions?
[04:15] <jamesh> (there should be an option for that in the actions menu
[04:15] <maco> actions menu?
[04:15] <jamesh> maco: on the page for the failed build, check the list of actions in the top left
[04:15] <maco> it happened on all 3 archs for my package
[04:16] <Hobbsee> maco: where's the build log?
[04:16] <maco> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13757543/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.twitux_0.61-0-maco2_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[04:16] <maco> change i386 as needed
[04:16] <Hobbsee> jamesh: it's a bug that happens at least once a week, but is only regarded as a low prority by the soyuz devs, and has no plans to be fixed anytime soon
[04:16] <Hobbsee> maco: you need to hit retry on the builds.
[04:17] <maco> where's that?
[04:17] <maco> i just see "view ppa" and "view build records"
[04:17] <Hobbsee> so hit view build records
[04:17] <maco> oh wait...login timed out :P
[04:17] <Hobbsee> open each of them, and then on the left hand side for each of the builds, there's a retry builds menu option
[04:18] <Hobbsee> jamesh: you just need to tell people to retry the builds (it's a race condition)
[04:18] <jamesh> Hobbsee: that's what I thought I did
[04:18] <maco> oh race conditions are fun. not.
[04:18] <maco> i wasnt logged in anymore, apparently
[04:18] <maco> so i couldnt see the retry button
[04:18] <Hobbsee> jamesh: oh, my bad.  i only read the last bit
[04:18] <Hobbsee> jamesh: i tried to give you context on the bug, though :)
[04:35] <maco> is it possible to cancel a build?
[04:35] <maco> 2 of the archs built and informed me of missing build dependencies.  the 3rd will have the same issue, so can i kill it?
[04:39] <maco> and is there a list of what the build scores mean?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> maco: nope
[04:43] <Hobbsee> maco: and the higher, the further up the queue it is
[04:44] <maco> ok
[04:47] <maco> Hobbsee: can you tell me what went wrong here? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13777284/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-lpia.twitux_0.61-0-maco3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:48] <maco> it says apt-get failed on one of the dependencies...why would that kill it? shouldnt it just try again to get the build dep?
[04:48] <maco> it happened on both archs that tried
[04:49] <Fujitsu> maco: That's not a recoverable error.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> Unpacking libgio-dev (from .../libgio-dev_0.1.2-0ubuntu1_lpia.deb) ...
[04:49] <Fujitsu> Looks at what it actually is.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing /home/buildd/build-567832-1467603/chroot-autobuild/var/cache/apt/archives/libgio-dev_0.1.2-0ubuntu1_lpia.deb (--unpack):
[04:49] <Hobbsee>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/pkgconfig/gio-2.0.pc', which is also in package libglib2.0-dev
[04:49] <Hobbsee> that's...tasty
[04:49] <Fujitsu> I hope one of those is from the PPA.
[04:50] <maco> no
[04:50] <Fujitsu> Crap.
[04:50] <maco> all that's in my PPA is compiz fusion icon for gutsy
[04:50] <Fujitsu> Why's there a build for Hardy, then?
[04:50] <maco> well im trying to build twitux for hardy
[04:51] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: doesn't have any reverse deps.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ask seb, though, it's his package
[04:52] <Fujitsu> Uh, GIO is used by lots of things...
[04:52] <Fujitsu> I guess it must have been integrated into glib.
[04:52] <Fujitsu> So libgio-dev should probably be removed.
[04:52] <Fujitsu> Ahhh.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gio-standalone/+bug/182945
[04:53] <Fujitsu> It's from gio-standalone, so is probably meant to conflict with the glib version.
[04:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182945 in gio-standalone "[hardy] gio standalone obsoleted by gio in glib" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:53] <maco> so...what do i do?
[04:53] <Fujitsu> At any rate, twitux shouldn't be build-depending on libgio-dev.
[04:53] <maco> should it just depend on gio?
[04:54] <Fujitsu> No.
[04:54] <maco> it says gio 2.15.5
[04:54] <Fujitsu> The gio stuff is in libglib2.0-dev
[04:54] <maco> http://live.gnome.org/DanielMorales/Twitux
[04:54] <maco> oh so the site's lying about needing libglib and libgio? ok
[04:54] <Hobbsee> maco: the upstream packages may not be exactly the same as the distro packages
[04:54] <Fujitsu> gio is part of our glib package now.
[04:54] <maco> ok
[04:54] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: sounds like a removal request, then.
[04:55] <Fujitsu> Poke Seb about it this evening, I guess.
[05:11] <maco> wow theres a lot of i386 stuff waiting to be built, it seems
[05:12] <Fujitsu> Indeed. I wonder if the buildd master has died.
[05:12] <Fujitsu> (and one of the buildds is dead)
[05:12] <Fujitsu> AH.
[05:12] <Fujitsu> Langpacks.
[05:12] <Fujitsu> That's why they were all vacant.
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #220485 in rosetta "Test failure on Hardy: person-editlanguages" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220485
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #220486 in launchpad "Subscribing to a blueprint no longer adds it to "Related blueprints" page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220486
[06:00] <emgent> hello people
[06:06] <maco> /part/part
[06:06] <maco> oops
[06:07] <emgent> lol
[07:46] <carlos> morning
[07:49] <Hobbsee> good morning carlos!
[07:51] <thumper> hi carlos, Hobbsee
[07:52]  * Hobbsee waves to thumper
[08:32] <mdke> I've just tried to upgrade a branch on LP, and the conversion failed... what do I need to do now to restore the backup and fix the branch (assuming that it is broken)?
[08:32] <mdke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7736/
[08:33] <mdke> jamesh: around by any chance?
[08:33] <jamesh> mdke: yeah
[08:33] <mdke> ohew
[08:33] <mdke> phew
[08:35] <jamesh> mdke: yikes.  You have a dirstate-with-subtree branch
[08:35] <mdke> jamesh: yes, due to bzr-svn import
[08:35] <mdke> but the upgrade worked on my local branches
[08:35] <jamesh> mdke: okay.  The recommended upgrade path would be to rich-root-pack format then.
[08:36] <mdke> jamesh: right, that's what I upgraded to in my local copies
[08:36] <mdke> jamesh: is a special command needed?
[08:36] <mdke> I can't remember...
[08:36] <jamesh> mdke: you can do "bzr upgrade --rich-root-pack"
[08:36] <mdke> jamesh: ah, damn. Can i still do that, or do I need to restore the backup first?
[08:36] <jamesh> mdke: you might need to move the backup.bzr directory back to .bzr on the server though
[08:37] <mdke> aha. How can I do that?
[08:37] <Hobbsee> hmm.  if i relinquish control of a team, i won't be able to act on any of the LP bugs there.
[08:37] <jamesh> with lftp or sftp
[08:37] <mdke> jamesh: would you mind spoonfeeding me the command? I don't want to break anything else :)
[08:38] <jamesh> mdke: if you've already got a local copy of the branch, I'd recommend deleting the remote data and pushing a fresh copy
[08:38] <jamesh> mdke: do you want to try that?
[08:38] <mdke> jamesh: I can't - LP tells me I don't have the authority to delete all the branch subscriptions and bug links
[08:38] <mdke> also, I'd rather not delete those :)
[08:38] <jamesh> mdke: not deleting the branch: deleting the branch data.
[08:39] <jamesh> so you'll have an empty directory to push a new copy to
[08:39] <mdke> jamesh: oh
[08:39] <mdke> jamesh: how is that done?
[08:40] <jamesh> mdke: run "lftp<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:40] <jamesh> then do "rm -r -f .bzr" at the lftp prompt
[08:41] <mdke> wow
[08:41] <jamesh> do the same for the backup.bzr directory
[08:41] <mdke> ok, in progress
[08:42] <mdke> jamesh: looks like it might take a while
[08:42] <jamesh> mdke: come to think of it, doing "bzr upgrade --rich-root-pack" would probably have failed too
[08:42] <jamesh> mdke: since the subtree format can represent data that rich-root-pack can't
[08:43] <jamesh> although the revisions in your branch weren't using those features
[08:43] <mdke> it went ok on the local copy, as long as I did it on individual branches rather than a shared repo
[08:44] <jamesh> right.  You can branch them into a rich-root repo, but not upgrade the old repo
[08:44] <mdke> sorry, that's what I did, yeah
[08:46] <Hobbsee> less badges :(
[08:46] <mdke> jamesh: ok, this looks like it will take a long time, so I'm going to have to leave it running. After it finishes and I delete the backup.bzr dir, what do I do?
[08:46]  * mdke gives Hobbsee a badge
[08:46] <jamesh> mdke: push your local copy of the branch to sftp://...
[08:46] <mdke> jamesh: ok, just push in the usual way. Can I do that from a shared repo ok?
[08:47] <jamesh> mdke: "bzr push --use-existing-dir sftp://..." should do it.
[08:47] <jamesh> shouldn't matter if your local copy is in a shared repo
[08:47] <mdke> jamesh: right, thanks a lot
[08:47] <Hobbsee> mdke: :D
[08:48] <jamesh> mdke: note that the disk area used for sftp and bzr+ssh is different to what is served from http://bazaar.launchpad.net, so your branch should remain available during this process
[08:48] <jamesh> the mirroring process will fail until a valid branch is in place again
[08:48] <mdke> jamesh: that's fine
[08:49] <mdke> ah, cool
[08:49] <Hobbsee> is there any easy way to get the equivalent of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=952 for any given milestone?
[08:52] <Hobbsee> (that is that size?)
[08:58] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:58] <Fujitsu> mpt!
[08:59] <Hobbsee> morning mpt!
[09:01] <mpt> What it is, my doges
[09:02] <Hobbsee> mpt: resigning from teams is fun!
[09:02] <mpt> oh rly
[09:03] <mpt> Fun in the lots-of-page-loads sense, or fun in the GBCW sense?
[09:04] <Hobbsee> mpt: gbcw?
[09:04] <mpt> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gbcw
[09:05] <Fujitsu> It's also the only time I've ever seen a bug nickname used.
[09:05] <Hobbsee> mpt: the latter, but not quite that strongly.
[09:05] <Hobbsee> mpt:  i might use that, if i step down from MOTU, though.
[09:06] <mpt> So what did you step down from?
[09:06] <Hobbsee> mpt: kubuntu council
[09:07] <mpt> ah
[09:07]  * mpt is blissfully unaware of Kubuntu processes
[09:07]  * Hobbsee is not running the distro, so sees no actual reason why she should be a part of the council
[09:07] <Hobbsee> mpt: what processes?  :)
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #220527 in malone "URL field isn't focused by default in "Confirm project" page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220527
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #220529 in malone ""Confirm project" page is very wide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220529
[09:40] <mantiena> hi all
[09:42]  * Fujitsu smells a bird.
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #220535 in malone "Make it possible for admins to hide bug comments" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220535
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #220539 in launchpad "bug homepage shows pointless/alarming CVE danger icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220539
[10:41] <Fujitsu> It's alarming both because of the icon, and the horridness that lurks behind!
[11:04] <tarzeau> i forgot my password, but one of my email addresses in my gpg key doesn't work anymore (the one i'm registered with at launchpad), can i have it resetted?
[11:06] <Fujitsu> tarzeau: You can use any email address associated with your Launchpad account. If you have just one, please ask a question at the URL in the topic.
[11:07] <tarzeau> Fujitsu: asking a questions works only when logged in: To continue, you must log in to Launchpad.
[11:07] <tarzeau> Fujitsu: i tried the help.launchpad.net url from the topic
[11:07] <tarzeau> which also lists this place here
[11:07] <Fujitsu> Hahaha.
[11:07] <Fujitsu> Indeed.
[11:07] <tarzeau> should i create another account to ask the question?
[11:07] <Fujitsu> Yeah, you can then merge them yourself later.
[11:08] <tarzeau> i already have a 2nd account, but i don't remember the password either
[11:08] <tarzeau> can i also remove accounts?
[11:08] <Fujitsu> You should merge them, rather than remove them.
[11:08] <Fujitsu> You can't remove an account - only deactivate it.
[11:08] <tarzeau> i see, i think i'll just not use it then anymore
[11:08] <tarzeau> i thought it's easy to reset a password
[11:08] <Fujitsu> It is.
[11:09] <tarzeau> no it's not
[11:09] <Fujitsu> If you have the email address.
[11:09] <tarzeau> i know the email address
[11:09] <Fujitsu> How do you expect it to authorise your password reset request if you can't receive an email?
[11:09] <tarzeau> the email address is in my gpg key
[11:09] <tarzeau> among other email addresses that work
[11:10] <tarzeau> so i'd like the launchpad system to send the password reset stuff to another gpg email address of the same key
[11:10] <Fujitsu> Launchpad will look at email addresses it knows are owened by you.
[11:10] <Fujitsu> Not those that your key says you own.
[11:10] <tarzeau> launchpad should know that any email address in one gpg key is owned by the same person
[11:10] <Fujitsu> Why?
[11:10] <Fujitsu> How can it know that/
[11:10] <tarzeau> because that is logical
[11:10] <Fujitsu> I can add your email address to my key.
[11:10] <Fujitsu> I don't know why I would, but it's possible.
[11:10] <tarzeau> but you can't read from my email address
[11:11] <spiv> tarzeau: in that case, just create another launchpad account with that email address?
[11:11] <tarzeau> spiv: and then how do i merge the old data from the old account?
[11:12] <spiv> (and use it to request the merge at answers.launchpad.net/launchpad)
[11:13] <spiv> Theoretically what launchpad could do is use your gpg key to authenticate your "lost password" request, by receiving a signed request or by sending an encrypted password reset token to an address you nominate.
[11:13] <tarzeau> spiv: yes that'd be fine for me as well
[11:14] <spiv> Sending a password reset to an arbitrary address is a bit problematic, you could use it to cause nuisance mails to someone (although it'd be easy to trace which launchpad account did it).
[11:14] <spiv> And a protocol to take a signed "please reset my password request" would need to take care to avoid replay attacks.
[11:14] <tarzeau> well it was just a question
[11:14] <tarzeau> thanks for the answer
[11:15] <Fujitsu> (bug #146861)
[11:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146861 in launchpad "Allow claiming an account by signing/decrypting with the same OpenPGP key" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146861
[11:15] <spiv> Fujitsu: ah, well found :)
[11:15] <spiv> I was about to suggest filing a bug, but of course someone would have got there first :
[11:15] <spiv> :)
[11:16] <tarzeau> what happens with accounts that don't have a working email address anymore?
[11:16] <Fujitsu> They sit around until they're reclaimed by a question.
[11:16] <Fujitsu> Or somebody remembers the password.
[11:17] <spiv> Fujitsu: or someone brute-forces it ;)
[11:17] <Fujitsu> That too.
[13:50] <ffm> mrevell: ping
[13:50] <mrevell> hey ffm
[13:51] <ffm> mrevell: PM'd.
[13:52] <mrevell> thanks ffm
[14:03] <ffm> What web framework does launchpad use? Or is it your own?
[14:04] <matsubara> ffm: zopw
[14:04] <matsubara> zope
[14:39] <hubuntu> regarding the mailing list: Is it possible to change the list to answer to the list itself or does it have to answer back to the sender?
[14:39] <hubuntu> oour list is working now after the changes done over the weekend.. :. thanks! ;)
[15:20] <ubotu> New bug: #220619 in soyuz "The buildlog file is accessible via http from the build master machine" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220619
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #220625 in launchpad-buildd "The buildlog file is accessible via http from the build master machine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220625
[15:51] <Peng> I guess line breaks in my SSH keys don't matter?
[16:33]  * Hobbsee wonders how to turn off the option she turned on, somewhere, last week
[16:35]  * Hobbsee wanders through the options, wondering where the hell it's gone now.
[16:36] <Hobbsee> oh, found it!
[16:37] <Hobbsee> Include bug descriptions when sending me bug notifications
[16:37] <Hobbsee> Timezone:
[16:37] <Hobbsee>
[16:37] <Hobbsee> is still in the wrong place, it should really be under email settings.
[16:37] <Hobbsee> seeing as it relates to email, and all.
[16:40] <hubuntu> I\m sorry but RHEL killed my connection.. SO... Is it possible to change the reply-to for a mailing list in launchpad to be directed straight to the list and not the user? Or is there any reason not to?
[16:41] <Hobbsee> hubuntu: reply to all?
[16:41] <hubuntu> If I get an e-mail from a list and reply, then wouldn't it be natural that the reply button sent me to the list adress?
[16:42] <hubuntu> Hobbsee?
[16:42] <hubuntu> aaaah
[16:42] <jamesh> Hobbsee: the timezone setting in Launchpad isn't used for email, iirc
[16:42] <hubuntu> tricky, but It makes sende
[16:42] <jamesh> it is used to display dates in the web UI
[16:42] <hubuntu> *sense
[16:42] <Hobbsee> jamesh: yeah, but it's on the same page.
[16:43] <Hobbsee> jamesh: the other part was just a bad copy/paste error
[19:08] <timlinux> hi
[19:09] <timlinux> Im trying to reupload a package to my ppa after the initial build failed. But it says upload failed because its already uploaded to the ppa
[19:09] <timlinux> short of changing the version number, is there a way to remove the failed source?
[19:12] <cprov> timlinux: no, you can upload a given version only once
[19:12] <timlinux> cprov: ok.
[19:13] <timlinux> in this situation what is best practice to name sequential package versions?
[19:15] <timlinux> my original package was qgis_0.10.0
[19:16] <timlinux> qgis_0.10.0-1
[19:17] <timlinux> is what I'm using...holds thumbs and hopes for the best.....
[19:17] <hubuntu> good luck timlinux !
[19:17] <hubuntu> I've tested qgis, is really neat
[19:17] <timlinux> hubuntu: thanks
[19:18] <timlinux> hubuntu: I just wish I knew a bit more about packaging
[19:19] <timlinux> like how to get its icon to appear in the (k)ububtu menus
[19:21] <geser> use a desktop file, e.g. qgis.desktop
[19:24] <hubuntu> mmm go to freedesktop.org
[19:24] <hubuntu> I don'æt know ANYTHING about packaging... but I truly appreciate such work
[19:24] <hubuntu> go talk to the MOTUs... they know packaging
[19:24] <hubuntu> type: /J #MOTU
[19:24] <hubuntu> wait
[19:25] <hubuntu> type /j #ubuntu-motu
[19:25] <hubuntu> ;)
[19:26] <timlinux> hubuntu: :-) thanks - I will ask them next time Im online thanks!
[19:27] <hubuntu> timlinux, visit:
[19:27] <hubuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[21:35] <ubotu> New bug: #220758 in malone "can not change attachment mime type" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220758


[05:45] <philipballew_> Hey! I think my laptop has bluetooth. but lspci or ls anything actually does not show it. What would be a good idea to do next to look for it and get the kernel to know what to do?
[12:40] <jemoh> Hey everyone, am using ubuntu 10.10 and soon its goin to be obselete because its not being supported anymore how do I switch to 12.04
[12:43] <holstein> jemoh: you can always just back up your data, obtain a 12.04 installation disc, and install
[12:44] <holstein> you can upgrade, but that'll take a while.. you need to go 10.10 to 11.04 to 11.10.to 12.04... i prefer fresh installs personally
[12:44] <jemoh> Ok. and is the 12.04 stable ?
[12:45] <holstein> jemoh: 12.04 is not final yet...
[12:46] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[12:47] <geirha> If you were running 10.04 instead, you could've upgraded to 12.04 when it's ready.
[12:47] <holstein> also, #ubuntu+1 ...as for its stability, i cant refer to it as "stable" since its still in development
[12:48] <jemoh> ok thanx guyz
[12:48] <geirha> You should really only install it now if you want to help by detecting and reporting bugs.
[12:58]  * Sidewinder1 On 10.04 but am scared to death of Unity. :(
[13:01] <Sidewinder1> Like me, my machine is old, old. 'Tis a Dell Dimension 4550. 1 GB ram, upgraded Video card, I believe 512 MB video ram. Not sure if Unity will even run on it and can't afford a new machine.
[13:01] <geirha> Well, if it doesn't, just switch to xfce or lxde
[13:01] <Sidewinder1> Is there some sort of fall-back option in 12.04?
[13:02] <Sidewinder1> geirha, Yes, I may have to.
[13:42] <holstein> Sidewinder1: dont be scared :) ...maybe XFCE is for you
[13:44] <jemoh> Hi anyone who knows how to run a ZTE MMC modem and linux please help with the installation procedure
[13:44] <Sidewinder1> Yes, I've been looking at XFCE; it's probably what I'll do in 2013 when Lucid is EOL.
[16:51] <kristian-aalborg> hi guys
[16:52] <kristian-aalborg> I got an old printer, a Canon LBP-800
[19:30] <nothingspecial> hi wildmanne39
[19:30] <nothingspecial> :)
[19:34] <wildmanne39> hi
[19:35] <nlsthzn> ho
[19:36] <nothingspecial> :)
[21:16] <brecar921> hello?
[21:16] <brecar921> anyone there?
[21:18] <jalcine> !ask
[21:18] <ubot2`> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience


[00:33] <stormmore> r/b 7
[02:23] <mup> Bug #1711012 opened: package maas-region-controller 2.2.0+bzr6054-0ubuntu2~16.04.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 <amd64> <apport-package> <xenial> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1711012>
[06:15] <mup> Bug #1710241 opened: Cannot deploy customized ubuntu cloud image <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1710241>
[07:38] <jlec___> hi guys
[07:39] <jlec___> for the curtin preseed file nomenclature, what is the _{hostname}? Is it the hostname part of the FQDN in MAAS?
[09:05] <D4RKS1D3> hi jlec___ prefix_osystem_nodearch_nodesubarch_release_nodename
[09:06] <jlec___> D4RKS1D3: yes, correct, not hostname but nodename. But what exactly is the node name? The system_id? of the hostname in the FQDN?
[09:07] <D4RKS1D3> is the mac address
[09:14] <D4RKS1D3> jlec___, If you sniff the traffic between the machine you are comissioning and the maas controller you can see the sequence of the tftp protocol
[09:16] <jlec___> I have it enlisted and commisioned already. Just want to target a specific node ofr the preseed development
[09:19] <D4RKS1D3> in the tftp rfc you have the standard of the protocol and the sequence
[09:21] <D4RKS1D3> sorry jlec___ in the tftp rfc no, is the pxe rfc
[09:22] <jlec___> There must be an easier way to name the curtin file
[09:25] <D4RKS1D3> jlec___, you mean in maas?
[09:26] <jlec___> D4RKS1D3: yes, in prefix_osystem_nodearch_nodesubarch_release_nodename, where do I get the nodename from?
[09:26] <D4RKS1D3> but that way not have any sense
[09:27] <D4RKS1D3> When you install a new machine, the machine doesn't exist in maas
[09:27] <D4RKS1D3> and you need to inject the curtin file
[09:28] <D4RKS1D3> the only unique in the hardware is the mac
[09:28] <D4RKS1D3> are you agree with me?
[09:29] <jlec___> no, this is the curtin for deployment. there are others for enlisting and commisioning. These are the stages where MAAs doesn't know anything about the node.
[09:29] <jlec___> After commisioning Maas does
[09:29] <jlec___> Also the osystem_nodearch_nodesubarch_release comes from your deployment selection
[09:34] <D4RKS1D3> yes, you are right
[12:24] <mup> Bug #1710241 changed: Cannot deploy customized ubuntu cloud image <curtin:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1710241>
[18:04] <mup> Bug #1711191 opened: [2.3, artful]  maasserver.websockets.protocol: [critical] Error on request (24) bootresource.poll: 'DistroRelease' object is not subscriptable <MAAS:Triaged by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1711191>
[18:07] <mup> Bug #1711191 changed: [2.3, artful]  maasserver.websockets.protocol: [critical] Error on request (24) bootresource.poll: 'DistroRelease' object is not subscriptable <MAAS:Triaged by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1711191>
[18:19] <mup> Bug #1711191 opened: [2.3, artful]  maasserver.websockets.protocol: [critical] Error on request (24) bootresource.poll: 'DistroRelease' object is not subscriptable <MAAS:Triaged by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1711191>
[19:21] <marcoceppi> can we boot ubuntu-core with maas yet?
[19:28] <mup> Bug #1711203 opened: Deployments fail when Secure Boot enabled <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1711203>


[13:00] <d-b> hio. where does one submit a wishlist / wish for software / feature / foo to...
[16:06] <quesh-m> yop every boby
[16:07] <quesh-m> we need the picture of the COF, were can we find it ?


[13:45] <personx_> could someone suggest some good looking webmail interfaces with similar look and feel as gmail or outlook? [can be premium/free both].
[13:49] <ahasenack> 'morning
[14:26] <utkarsh2102> ahasenack: working today?
[14:26] <personx_> what are some good mail servers that allow easy overviewing of all mailboxes for admin, and setting up custom restrictions like not letting users being able to delete emails from their inbox or some sort of automated backup of all emails that can be restored/retrived?
[14:28] <ahasenack> utkarsh2102: yeah, handling the libyang2 mir feedback, the last blocker (on our side) for the frr MIR
[14:29] <ahasenack> personx_: never heard of such restrictions
[14:31] <personx_> well, data retention is very important to my employers so they made the request. how about automated backups of all inboxes, does that seem practical?
[14:35] <ahasenack> I've heard of that in the context of CC'ing all email to a special account, server-side
[14:37] <personx_> ahasenack, that seems like a good idea. is it possible to setup a mail exchange server to silenty CC all sent/received emails to a special account?
[14:37] <ahasenack> depends on the mail server, but likely
[14:38] <ahasenack> now, how to organize all that, that would be tough I think. Imagine all email in a single account, how to filter, select specific emails from specific people, etc
[14:38] <ahasenack> maybe you are best off with something more complex than just an email server, but an integrated solution. Examples escape me, but some years ago they were popular "exchange replacements"
[14:39] <ahasenack> but with a very involved installation, comprising web server, calendar, the actual MTA (email), web apps, etc, and they basically "take over" the machine via an installation script
[14:41] <personx_> ahasenack, well, that can still work for us. see, this is the situation I'm in - and well, i'm open to all  help and advice. this is what i'm trying to do - my office is currently using google mail servers and its getting very pricy to maintain them plus i told them its very stupid to pay for every single email id individually. xD so now i'm trying to shift the mail hosting from google to our own hosted servers. what pat
[14:41] <personx_> h would you recommend?
[14:41] <ahasenack> think very carefully about the cost
[14:41] <ahasenack> bringing it in home has a lot of hidden (and not so hidden) cost
[14:42] <ahasenack> think backups, disaster recovery, baremetal machine administration (raid storage? disk failures?), how long it takes to recover from a burned down power supply, can you afford to be without email for so long, etc
[14:42] <ahasenack> OS updates, downtimes
[14:43] <ahasenack> bugs, who fixes them
[14:43] <personx_> well, i wasn't planning for on-premise hosting, more like setting it up on a good vps
[14:43] <ahasenack> your time spent on this
[14:43] <ahasenack> etc
[14:46] <ahasenack> also, emails and their contents have privacy implications
[14:46] <ahasenack> gotta go, lunch calls :)
[14:47] <personx_> sure :)