[12:12] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Best ask someone who uses it then, I know chkconfig.
[12:12] <PhinnFort> intelikey: it does so, by the people that switch to dash themselves
[12:12] <intelikey> jhutchins ammusing example  :)
[12:12] <cheeseboy> can you think of a reason why vmware player can boot my ubuntu install but not my windows?
[12:12] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: update-rc.d add [script]  [runlevel]  i think
[12:12] <PhinnFort> if it looks anything like the gentoo rc-update
[12:13] <intelikey> there is a man page
[12:13] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: update-rc.d should give you usage tips if run by itself or with -h.
[12:13] <slow-motion> n8
[12:13] <PhinnFort> gnight
[12:13] <compilerwriter> I tried to read the man page, and it left me a bit befuddled.
[12:13] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: what do you want to do?
[12:14] <don_jr__> could anyone here tell me the command to use to burn an iso with cdrecord?
[12:14] <jhutchins> should be update-rc.d add kdm default
[12:14] <intelikey> PhinnFort if you're leaving.   don't go away mad.
[12:14] <compilerwriter> I want to see to it that kdm starts up in most run-levels.
[12:14] <PhinnFort> intelikey: i'm not mad, i'm just venting;)
[12:14] <roadfish> how can I deactivate the Print key from starting KSnapShot?
[12:14] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: try default
[12:15] <intelikey> PhinnFort k.   venting is good.   as long as you are carefull how you let the presure off.
[12:15] <PhinnFort> intelikey: I try to keep it to non-personal venting;)
[12:15] <intelikey> :)
[12:15] <KillGore> news:alt.religion.kibology
[12:15] <hitmanWilly> compilerwriter, just remember ubuntu's runlevels are weird
[12:15] <KillGore> join alt.religion.kibology
[12:15] <PhinnFort> roadfish: alt+f2 "kcontrol"
[12:16] <PhinnFort> roadfish: search for "shortcuts"
[12:16] <intelikey> ubuntu runlevels are wierd.  2-5 = all the same.
[12:16] <intelikey> until you alter them.
[12:17] <intelikey> default is only a starting point on the long road to right.
[12:17] <PhinnFort> it's that funky booting thingy?
[12:17] <compilerwriter> I remember that hitmanWilly, that is why I get confused with the things.
[12:17] <cheeseboy> can you think of a reason why vmware player can boot my ubuntu install but not my windows?
[12:17] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: windows suxx000rz is not an alternative?
[12:17] <roadfish> PhinnFort: I don't see a Print binding in "Keyboard Shortcuts"
[12:17] <hitmanWilly> that confused the fsck out of me till i figured it out
[12:17] <PhinnFort> roadfish: sorry, input actions
[12:18] <cheeseboy> PhinnFort ?
[12:18] <Filthpig> cheerios
[12:18] <Filthpig> slight problem
[12:18] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: sorry, I don't know, I don't use VMWare, and I don't use Windows
[12:18] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: if you're on feisty, you can try KVM
[12:18] <Filthpig> I can't create cd audio with k3b cause it claims I've not installed MAD
[12:19] <PhinnFort> !libmad0
[12:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libmad0 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <Filthpig> but I play mp3s with amarok oO
[12:19] <PhinnFort> !info libmad0
[12:19] <ubotu> libmad0: MPEG audio decoder library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.15.1b-2.1 (edgy), package size 75 kB, installed size 160 kB
[12:19] <cheeseboy> KVM?
[12:19] <waylandbill> PhinnFort: you're missing out. Everyone does it... maybe not
[12:19] <Filthpig> oh, and libmad0 is installed
[12:19] <compilerwriter> phinnfort here is the usage paste link http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15444/
[12:19] <roadfish> PhinnFort: the "Desktop Screenshot" shortcut is blank .. what is "input actions"? something available from kcontrol?
[12:19] <PhinnFort> !kvm | cheeseboy
[12:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <Filthpig> :|
[12:19] <roadfish> wait, I see it now
[12:19] <PhinnFort> yeah
[12:19] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: it's a virtualisation thingy integrated in the Linux kernel
[12:20] <hitmanWilly> !info kvm
[12:20] <ubotu> Package kvm does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[12:20] <PhinnFort> !info qemu
[12:20] <waylandbill> anyone know where Jucato is lately?
[12:20] <ubotu> qemu: fast processor emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 3630 kB, installed size 9860 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 powerpc alpha sparc arm s390)
[12:20] <compilerwriter> I am thinking update-rc.d kdm defaults, phinnfort; Is that correct.
[12:20] <hitmanWilly> !info KVM
[12:20] <PhinnFort> it uses qemu
[12:20] <roadfish> PhinnFort: ok, got it ... thanks
[12:20] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: probably
[12:20] <PhinnFort> roadfish: yw;)
[12:20] <cheeseboy> hows it work?
[12:20] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: very well
[12:20] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: you on feisty?
[12:20] <cheeseboy> yes
[12:20] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: it has a kernel with KVM
[12:20] <cheeseboy> no but does it run xp?
[12:21] <cheeseboy> or is it like wine?
[12:21] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: yes, most probably
[12:21] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: it's a complete machine emulator
[12:21] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
[12:21] <PhinnFort> !info kvm feisty | cheeseboy
[12:21] <ubotu> cheeseboy: kvm: Full virtualization on x86 hardware. In component universe, is optional. Version 16-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 474 kB, installed size 1440 kB
[12:22] <compilerwriter> Well now that was odd PhinnFort.  'System startup links for /etc/init.d/kdm already exist.'  So now why in all that is holy am I having to manually start my xorg?
[12:22] <waylandbill> vmware will do all the OS's you think of. They even have images of free OS's
[12:22] <PhinnFort> waylandbill: kvm/qemu is Free Software
[12:23] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: weird...
[12:23] <waylandbill> PhinnFort: they give images too
[12:23] <cheeseboy> PhinnFort that uses virtual harddrive though
[12:23] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: you don't have to
[12:23] <PhinnFort> cheeseboy: replace the filename with /dev/hda*
[12:23] <PhinnFort> waylandbill: they don't give sourcecode
[12:24] <cheeseboy> ok..
[12:24] <waylandbill> I like qemu and the boch project
[12:25] <yintelike> compilerwriter kdm set to console login ?
[12:25] <yintelike> it can be set to do that
[12:29] <intelikey> why am i getting this error ?
[12:29] <intelikey> Cannot stat /dev/tty3: Permission denied
[12:29] <intelikey> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[12:30] <intelikey>  crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 4, 3 Apr  1 21:09 /dev/tty3
[12:30] <qwertyro> a
[12:30] <intelikey> i shouldn't be getting perms errors there
[12:30] <hitmanWilly> huh...
[12:31] <intelikey> daz wierd!   Cannot stat /dev/tty3: Permission denied
[12:31] <intelikey> Unable to open vt 3: Permission denied
[12:32] <intelikey> oh i got it.
[12:32] <intelikey> perms on /dev
[12:32] <intelikey> that was it...
[12:32] <hitmanWilly> :)
[12:33] <don_jr__> anyone here use cdrecord to burn iso's?
[12:33] <cheeseboy>   kvm: Depends: kvm-api-9 but it is not installable
[12:33] <cheeseboy> E: Broken packages
[12:33] <cheeseboy> >:{
[12:33] <intelikey> don_jr__ yeah.
[12:33] <hitmanWilly> cheeseboy, got same error
[12:33] <hitmanWilly> try qemu
[12:33] <cheeseboy> fix  it?
[12:34] <hitmanWilly> nope, not yet anyway
[12:34] <don_jr__> intelikey could you tell me how to do it?  I just tried and it burnt the iso as a data file instead of unpacking it for use
[12:35] <jhutchins> don_jr__: http://www.fornewbie.com/content/view/40/2/
[12:35] <jhutchins> don_jr__: Ignore the stuff about SCSI.
[12:35] <hitmanWilly> don_jr__, try it with the -raw option
[12:35] <intelikey> don_jr__  i'd rather not be guilty of helping you make frisbies/coasters
[12:35] <don_jr__> jhutchins thanks
[12:35] <compilerwriter> yintelike I don't think kdm is set to consle login
[12:35] <intelikey> compilerwriter hmmm.
[12:36] <don_jr__> great, it's giving me a host not found error...
[12:36] <compilerwriter> I have no clue what I did to cause this.
[12:37] <don_jr__> hitmanWilly alright, where do I add that option? lol
[12:37] <compilerwriter> Perhaps something happened with an update and I did not notice the situation because I had been on the same x-session for weeks, intelikey.
[12:37] <hitmanWilly> don_jr__, right after cdrecord i.e. cdrecord -raw <rest of the stuff>
[12:37] <intelikey> i don't use kdm    when i do anything in a gui i just start it by hand.   and before that when i used a dm it was gdm or xdm cause kdm writes in /root/     but check in  /etc/kdm/*kdm.conf*     especially if there is a custom.conf in there
[12:37] <intelikey> compilerwriter or is it /etc/kde/kdm/*
[12:38] <jhutchins> intelikey: the latter.
[12:39] <intelikey> compilerwriter what i would do to test kdm is this.     get in a console and do a  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop     make sure it kills X or kill it your self  then  do a    sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start    and see what it says....
[12:39] <compilerwriter> intelikey it is /etc/dke3/kdm/*
[12:39] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:39] <SharpRazor> hello everyone
[12:39] <SharpRazor> is there anyone willing to help me :)??
[12:40] <intelikey> jhutchins you thinking it's not setup ?
[12:40] <SharpRazor> or at least tell what's wrong:)
[12:40] <jhutchins> SharpRazor: I know you, you're from the department of redundancy department!
[12:40] <compilerwriter> !ask | sharprazor
[12:40] <jhutchins> SharpRazor: How about you tell us what's wrong, and we'll try to tell you how to fix it?
[12:40] <ubotu> sharprazor: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:40] <SharpRazor> :)
[12:40] <SharpRazor> ok
[12:40] <SharpRazor> i have a high pitch noise
[12:40] <SharpRazor> it's not always
[12:41] <compilerwriter> sharprazor get earplugs.
[12:41] <jhutchins> !enter | SharpRazor
[12:41] <ubotu> SharpRazor: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[12:42] <SharpRazor> what enter ?
[12:42] <intelikey> SharpRazor you can just type and type and type ........................................................................................................................................................................  and it only makes one post for us to try to read.    thank you.
[12:42] <intelikey> not
[12:43] <intelikey> like
[12:43] <intelikey> this
[12:43] <SharpRazor> i have a high pitch noise coming out of my speakers, mostly from the left one
[12:43] <compilerwriter> ok jhutchins I did the dpkg thing.  Now should I test as intelikey has suggested?
[12:44] <intelikey> compilerwriter yes
[12:44] <SharpRazor> i don't always have (when i unplug mic plug), and when i try to adjust somethin in Kmix then i lose sound completely
[12:45] <intelikey> sounds like a problem in the sound system    "pardon the pun"
[12:45] <intelikey> !sound
[12:45] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: You should almost always dowhat intellikey suggests, usually before what I suggest.
[12:45] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:46] <compilerwriter> ok will keep that in mind jhutchins
[12:46] <intelikey> SharpRazor maybe the  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting  page could help  ?
[12:46] <intelikey> :)
[12:46] <feierfox> ein hoch auf KDE!
[12:47] <feierfox> viel mehr "eyecandy" als der langweilige GNOME
[12:47] <hitmanWilly> !de | feierfox
[12:47] <ubotu> feierfox: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:47] <feierfox> ahoi und nabend erstmal!
[12:47] <stefano> ciao a tutti
[12:47] <SharpRazor> alright then, then maybe one of You had problem with this high pitch noise??
[12:47] <stefano> there's some italian??
[12:47] <feierfox> ah!
[12:47] <feierfox> sorry!
[12:47] <feierfox> i forgott, that i not in -de
[12:47] <feierfox> :(
[12:47] <intelikey> SharpRazor not i.
[12:47] <feierfox> sorry!
[12:48] <hitmanWilly> feierfox, don't worry about it
[12:48] <intelikey> SharpRazor all my linux exp. with sound is  it either works or i modprobe the driver and then it works....
[12:48] <SharpRazor> ok then people, thank You for all Your help, i really appreciate it, have a good night guys (or I'll be back :) )
[12:49] <intelikey> SharpRazor
[12:49] <intelikey> SharpRazor you can also ask in #ubuntu    it is probably not arts/kde specific
[12:50] <intelikey> sounds more like  alsa  to me.
[12:51] <SharpRazor> thanks mate
[12:51] <feierfox> thanks the buntu-gods, that they fixed the 14'ers Kernel :O
[12:52] <intelikey> great beirded ones ?
[12:53] <compilerwriter> intelikey, I tried the sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start.  It told me it was 'Not starting K window manager; Not the default manager'  WTF?
[12:53] <compilerwriter> I have no teenage women in this house, why do I have poltergeist?
[12:54] <intelikey> grimlins
[12:54] <compilerwriter> I don't remember ever changing the default window manager.  Hell's bells!  I don't think I know how do change it if I wanted to.
[12:54] <intelikey> compilerwriter sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[12:55] <compilerwriter> I did not believe in Friday the 13th before, but now I am reconsidering.
[12:55] <SharpRazor> oh by the way, could anyone tell me if it is normal that when i type aplay -l that it shows two devices(it's one only, built in) one analog and one digital
[12:56] <intelikey> SharpRazor hmmm this is normal for me...  aplay -l
[12:56] <intelikey> aplay: device_list:221: no soundcards found...
[12:56] <intelikey> but my sound works.
[12:57] <pgraves> Is anyone in here familiar with configuring Samba? More specifically user-level access to samba shares? (I am wanting to have some users that can modify the folder contents, while others who cant)
[12:57] <pgraves> Across windows file sharing of course
[12:58] <intelikey> /join #samba
[12:58] <eigentard> Why the fuck can't I tar xzf a file?
[12:58] <intelikey> permission ?
[12:58] <eigentard> it keeps telling me "directory not found"
[12:58] <eigentard> i'm on root konsole
[12:58] <Pricey> eigentard, watch the language...
[12:58] <eigentard> sorry
[12:59] <eigentard> i'm just really annoyed by this
[12:59] <Pricey> eigentard, you want to extract or create?
[12:59] <eigentard> extract
[12:59] <Pricey> eigentard, tar -xzf file.tar
[12:59] <premier_> does anyone here know how to use IpodLinux?
[12:59] <Pricey> eigentard, needs the - afaik
[12:59] <intelikey> try    tar filename.ext
[12:59] <eigentard> it keeps saying it's not found
[12:59] <compilerwriter> intelikey having done that when will the changes take effect?
[12:59] <intelikey> Pricey doesnt' even need the args.
[01:00] <intelikey> compilerwriter right now.
[01:00] <eigentard> "No such file or directory"
[01:00] <eigentard> but it's clearly on my harddrive
[01:00] <intelikey> eigentard then i assume you are not getting the name or path correct.
[01:00] <compilerwriter> so then I should to do the test you described and will work then intelikey.
[01:00] <eigentard> should I cd to the path first and then do it:?
[01:00] <Pricey> eigentard, use "ls" to ensure its in the current directory
[01:00] <Pricey> eigentard, that would help
[01:00] <intelikey> compilerwriter yes
[01:01] <pgraves> can someone help me?
[01:01] <intelikey> eigentard and use the [tab]  key to complete the file name
[01:01] <intelikey> pgraves i didn't see your Q...
[01:01] <eigentard> hrm, I think it might have worked
[01:01] <eigentard> I cd'd to the directory and did it again and it didn't say anything... I'm assuming that means it worked
[01:02] <intelikey> yep
[01:02] <intelikey> eigentard in linux   no error menas no error
[01:02] <compilerwriter> well intelikey, it is like this now.  I went to a console window and told kdm to stop.  Got a message about it not running.  no /var/run/kdm pid.
[01:02] <intelikey> generally speeking anyway.
[01:02] <eigentard> apparently I failed a sanity check :(
[01:02] <eigentard> what does that mean?
[01:02] <adydas> Your insane
[01:02] <compilerwriter> Of course I just typed that to you from the x session that should have stopped.
[01:03] <eigentard> error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[01:03] <eigentard> See `config.log' for more details.
[01:03] <pgraves> Intelikey: I need assistance configuring Samba.  What I need to do now is to configure "user-level" access to it, so that some windows workstations will have read access, while others may have read/write access... I have NO CLUE how to do that though, lol
[01:03] <adydas> eigentard: you trying to install somthing
[01:03] <intelikey> compilerwriter that's ok.  kdm is not running.  so kill X and do the    sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[01:03] <eigentard> adydas: yes
[01:03] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, install build-essential
[01:03] <eigentard> an encryption package vfor GAIM
[01:03] <adydas> Firstly what
[01:03] <adydas> but to asnwer you need to do as hitmanWilly just said
[01:04] <eigentard> alright
[01:04] <eigentard> installing now
[01:04] <premier_> intelikey, some one told me to add a book option to prevent my cpu from locking up on boot. Its a intel centrino duo.  But my /boot/grub/menu.lst got reset and I don't know what it was
[01:04] <compilerwriter> crap intelikey I have forgotten how to kill x now.
[01:04] <intelikey> ah yes pgraves sorry i don't know samba,   i did sujest   /join #samba
[01:04] <pgraves> I have joined #samba, its completely silent
[01:04] <premier_> it was like, notsc or not notcp or something
[01:04] <intelikey> compilerwriter ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:04] <eigentard> arg
[01:05] <eigentard> it says i need a newer libgcrypt
[01:05] <eigentard> I tried to apt-get it but it couldn't fin dit
[01:05] <eigentard> anyone know the name of the package?
[01:05] <adydas> what are you trying to install
[01:05] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, try searching in synaptic
[01:05] <intelikey> premier_ i don't know what the option would be   maybe    noacpi    or something ?
[01:05] <adydas> eigentard: what are you trying to install
[01:05] <eigentard> adydas: GAIM encryption package
[01:05] <adydas> eigentard: whats wrong with apt-get installing gaim-encryption - gaim plugin that provides transparent encryption
[01:06] <eigentard> oh
[01:06] <eigentard> didn't know about it
[01:06] <eigentard> let me try
[01:06] <premier_> intelikey: well, I want acpi on, its just every once in a while my compy wont boot with acpi on.  But someone suggest a solution, but I forgot what it was
[01:06] <eigentard> can't find it :(
[01:06] <intelikey> eigentard maybe  libgcrypt11  or  libgcrypt11-dev
[01:06] <adydas> you need to open some repo goodness it souinds eigentard
[01:07] <intelikey> premier_ sorry i don't think it was me.
[01:07] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, open up /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment everything with a deb in front of it
[01:08] <eigentard> ah hah!
[01:08] <eigentard> I think it worked
[01:08] <eigentard> I needed to install libgcrypt11-dev
[01:08] <eigentard> lemme check first though before I get too excited
[01:08] <intelikey> ok.   but i'll go ahead and say "your welcome"
[01:08] <intelikey> :)
[01:09] <pgraves> Can someone PLEASE HELP ME WITH SAMBA... I need assistance configuring Samba.  What I need to do now is to configure "user-level" access to it, so that some windows workstations will have read access, while others may have read/write access... I have NO CLUE how to do that though, lol
[01:09] <compilerwriter> well intelikey when I did the sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start it told me it was not my default x manager again.  But if I just sudo kdm it fires up an xserver like nothing is wrong and I am now going nucking futs.
[01:09] <eigentard> hrm
[01:09] <eigentard> I dunno if it worked or not
[01:09] <eigentard> I can't see the plugin in the list
[01:10] <nixternal> !caps
[01:10] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[01:10] <pgraves> !caps
[01:10] <pgraves> lol
[01:10] <nixternal> so what does the bot do, he shouts
[01:11] <compilerwriter> !caps | ubotu
[01:11] <pgraves> Anyone able to help me?
[01:11] <ubotu> ubotu: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[01:11] <eigentard> arg...
[01:11] <eigentard> does anyone know why my plugin won't show up in the GAIM plugin list? :(
[01:11] <eigentard> it doesn't work for Windows either
[01:11] <Black_Monkey> I mounted my iPod to a directory in my home dir, and now I can't delete that dir, after the iPod has been removed - how do I delete it?
[01:12] <pgraves> Black Monkey, have you tried switching to root and doing rm -rf /path_to_folder ?
[01:12] <Black_Monkey> yeah
[01:12] <eigentard> compilerwriter: danke, I've already finished off half a liter of whiskey today... what a crappy day...
[01:12] <compilerwriter> macht nichts eigentard.
[01:13] <Black_Monkey> when I go to the properties of the folder, it says "Mounted on /home/andy/ipod"
[01:13] <compilerwriter> Freitag die Dreizehnten ist voll von Sheiss!
[01:14] <compilerwriter> eigentard I am having the day from hell too.
[01:15] <compilerwriter> !ubuntu-de |compilerwriter
[01:15] <eigentard> I just want my damn encryption to install :(
[01:15] <eigentard> why does it have to not work?
[01:15] <Black_Monkey> how do you unmount something?
[01:16] <eigentard> boot disk?
[01:16] <compilerwriter> umount something Black_Monkey
[01:16] <Black_Monkey> ah k, thanks
[01:16] <stefano> big mellows
[01:17] <intelikey> compilerwriter when you ran   sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm you did get the dialog screen asking which dm you wanted to use ?
[01:17] <compilerwriter> intelikey I did, and then I highlighted kdm and said ok
[01:17] <compilerwriter> It seems that I have both gdm and kdm installed for some unknown reason.
[01:18] <intelikey> compilerwriter ok    cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[01:18] <compilerwriter> intelikey perhaps if I totally uninstalled gnome?
[01:18] <intelikey> tell me what it says
[01:19] <intelikey> compilerwriter no need.   just     cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[01:19] <intelikey> do it say    /usr/bin/kdm   ?
[01:20] <intelikey> compilerwriter ?
[01:20] <compilerwriter> intelikey it does indeed say kdm
[01:20] <intelikey> k  give me a sec
[01:20] <zerothis> is this the place to discuss getting my digital camera syncing with linux?
[01:21] <intelikey> compilerwriter  do   ls -l /usr/bin/x-window-manager
[01:22] <intelikey> what it says ?
[01:22] <intelikey> zerothis yes it is.   but i'm prolly not the one to ask.
[01:23] <intelikey> zerothis if it has the option on the camera to use it in "disk mode"  that makes things really easy
[01:23] <compilerwriter> intelikey lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 2006-12-13 18:40 /usr/bin/x-window-manager -> /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager
[01:23] <intelikey> compilerwriter ok  ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager
[01:24] <compilerwriter> intelikey it just gets better lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2007-03-23 09:02 /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/enlightenment
[01:24] <angasule> !multimedia_keys
[01:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about multimedia_keys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:24] <compilerwriter> WTF
[01:25] <intelikey> :)
[01:25] <clint_> hey
[01:25] <clint_> someone have an rt2500 ?
[01:26] <compilerwriter> intelikey have I somehow gotten some x11 loop going?
[01:26] <adydas> zerothis: it should just plug and play reconise it
[01:26] <intelikey> compilerwriter no don't think so.   loops usually are described as "it hung"
[01:27] <dsmith> hi
[01:27] <intelikey> compilerwriter   sudo update-alternatives x-window-manager
[01:27] <eigentard> this is really weirde
[01:27] <angasule> I can't seem to reconfigure /some/ of my special keys, specifically the email and homepage keys
[01:27] <eigentard> my desktop will apt-get install gaim-encryption
[01:27] <eigentard> but my laptop cannot find the package
[01:27] <intelikey> errrr actually might want to get a man page on that
[01:27] <angasule> they seem hardwired to kmail and konqueror
[01:27] <eigentard> how can I get it so it installs on my laptop>
[01:27] <eigentard> ?
[01:27] <dsmith> anyone ever se ubuntu crash after a vanilla insall, then running a update then upgrade from regular repos.
[01:28] <dsmith> ?
[01:28] <compilerwriter> intelikey 'unknown argument x-window-manager'
[01:28] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and uncomment everything that starts with a deb
[01:28] <compilerwriter> intelikey uppercase X?
[01:28] <intelikey> compilerwriter   update-alternatives --list x-window-manager
[01:28] <intelikey> sorry
[01:29] <adydas> eigentard: if your still stuck on hitmanWillys advice try this website for some help http://adydas.net/linux/repos.html
[01:29] <eigentard> hitmanWilly: how do I edit it?
[01:29] <adydas> pritty naffy but hopefully some visual aids will help
[01:29] <TheDebugger> I hate a funny ssh problem yesterday.. At a certain moment, i had a message "Power button pressed, shutting down" and i lost all my connections but.. when i got home the same night, the computer was still on
[01:29] <adydas> eigentard: follow the above to edit
[01:29] <intelikey> compilerwriter  sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager         should be what you want.
[01:29] <tuco> Guys is there something I can do to switch off my pc from the terminal as the Log out/Turn off doesn;t do anything and brings a black screen and hangs?
[01:30] <intelikey> compilerwriter i don't use alternatives so i'm having to learn as i go on that one.
[01:30] <eigentard> is a comment two # or also one?
[01:30] <adydas> tuco: halt ?
[01:30] <adydas> eigentard: two or one
[01:30] <intelikey> eigentard one
[01:30] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, one # = comment
[01:30] <eigentard> cool
[01:30] <eigentard> doing this now
[01:30] <adydas> arnt some done with 2 ##s
[01:30] <intelikey> the first one has the second one commented out
[01:30] <zerothis> i have a kodak ES DX4530. It shows in kinfocenter automagically when connected directly and it opens the 'new mediaum' window showing type 'camera'. in the doc it does the same after pusing the ES button or turning the camera on. it will mount fine (camera://USB PTP Class Camera@[usb:001,0xx] /). but konqeror, digicam, f-spot, nor camorama can successfully use it. 'failed to list files in /camera' . konqurer also says 'could not claim usb device'
[01:30] <tuco> basically it brings the wallpaper only and then black screen...the power stays on but no key functions
[01:31] <compilerwriter> intelikey /usr/bin/kwin /usr/bin/fluxbox /usr/bin/xfwm4 /usr/bin/enlightenment
[01:31] <eigentard> I can't save it :(
[01:31] <eigentard> I edited it in kate
[01:31] <eigentard> how do I save it?
[01:31] <intelikey> kwin
[01:31] <intelikey> compilerwriter kwin
[01:31] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, you have to use sudo with kate
[01:31] <eigentard> should I edit it with kdesu kate?
[01:31] <eigentard> ah
[01:31] <eigentard> alright
[01:31] <tuco> adydas> I have to press the reset button to stop my pc
[01:32] <intelikey> eigentard save as   and put it in your home.  then copy it over as root
[01:32] <tuco> and I am tired of it
[01:32] <compilerwriter> intelikey is that a question?
[01:32] <intelikey> compilerwriter no the answer
[01:33] <compilerwriter> So I then need to do an update alternatives kwin? intelikey
[01:33] <intelikey> compilerwriter    sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
[01:33] <eigentard> alright cool
[01:33] <eigentard> I saved
[01:33] <eigentard> do I have to reboot or anything?
[01:34] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, no
[01:34] <intelikey> eigentard what did you config ?
[01:34] <hitmanWilly> his sources.list
[01:34] <Minataku> Hm
[01:34] <Minataku> !seen genii
[01:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen genii - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:34] <eigentard> uncommented deb's in source.list
[01:34] <Minataku> Bah
[01:34] <intelikey> eigentard you need to do    sudo apt-get update
[01:34] <eigentard> but it still won't find gaim-install :(
[01:34] <Minataku> Taking !seen out of the bot was so stupid
[01:35] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, just run a sudo apt-get update and its good
[01:35] <intelikey> eigentard that will make all your changes active
[01:35] <compilerwriter> intelikey 'No alternatives for kwin.'
[01:35] <don_jr__> how do I open a zip file from console?
[01:35] <eigentard> ah hah
[01:35] <intelikey> compilerwriter hmmm    what was listed ?
[01:35] <intelikey> compilerwriter wait.   you use beryl.
[01:35] <intelikey> ?
[01:35] <eigentard> only 200k/sec? :(  I wish we had fiber optic here
[01:36] <compilerwriter> intelikey I don't use beryl.  I haven't gotten round to trying it yet.
[01:36] <intelikey> that one was a question just got the wrong punct.
[01:36] <intelikey> ok.
[01:36] <eigentard> yay it works :D
[01:36] <tuco> anyone can help me switching my pc without the necessity of pushing the reset button everytime I want to switch off the machine? Please it is really bothering me.
[01:36] <compilerwriter> Was thinking I would try it next intelikey, but I am afraid I will muck things up if I do now.
[01:37] <intelikey> compilerwriter dpkg -L kubuntu-desktop >/dev/null && echo yes
[01:37] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, (k)ubuntu comes with all the unsupported/proprietary stuff disabled by default for the purists out there
[01:37] <Minataku> tuco: ACPI and "shutdown -h now"
[01:37] <intelikey> compilerwriter i'm still trying to track down what exactly is throwing that error
[01:37] <eigentard> hitmanWilly: : ah, it does?
[01:38] <Minataku> It should finish the whole thing with an ACPI Power Off command
[01:38] <tuco> ACPI?
[01:38] <eigentard> I came to kubuntu after trying to install Sabayon and it not recognizing my NIC
[01:38] <hitmanWilly> eigentard, yes, the repos are there, just turned off by default
[01:38] <Minataku> tuco: If your computer is younger than 5, you have ACPI
[01:38] <compilerwriter> intelikey the output of that command was yes.
[01:38] <eigentard> you can't emerge without having first emerged with some website
[01:38] <troxor> has anyone used avahi for mdns, or knows about what it does/advantages/disadvantages?
[01:38] <tuco> what should I do with ACPI Minataku?
[01:38] <eigentard> and without NIC recognition that's obviously impossible, unless you have the drivers on disk
[01:38] <intelikey> hitmanWilly has nothing to do with "the purists out there"   has everything to do with mark shuttelworth not wanting M$ suing the pants off of him
[01:39] <intelikey> compilerwriter hmmm.    thinking
[01:39] <Minataku> tuco: Nothing
[01:39] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, that too :)
[01:39] <tuco> ok let me try
[01:39] <Minataku> If you have it, then the computer should power itself off after shutdown with the command "shutdown -h now"
[01:39] <dsmith> MS suing for what?
[01:39] <compilerwriter> intelikey I take it you did something with dpkg, redirected the standard error to /dev/null/ and then had it echo yes when it completed properly?
[01:39] <hitmanWilly> ip violation
[01:39] <Minataku> Which shuts the computer down now, and halts it
[01:40] <intelikey> compilerwriter not stderr   stdout   didn't care about the list of files just that the package was installed
[01:40] <hitmanWilly> M$ thinks they have patents on air
[01:40] <dsmith> lol
[01:40] <intelikey> hitmanWilly they do.
[01:40] <intelikey> the bstards
[01:40] <hitmanWilly> yeah, but so does everyone else
[01:41] <compilerwriter> intelikey stderr is &> isn't it?
[01:41] <intelikey>   2>
[01:41] <hitmanWilly> software patents are BS anyway
[01:41] <dsmith> ok I just apt-get updated, lets see if my ubuntu crashes again
[01:41] <hitmanWilly> its like a writer trying to patent the exclamation point
[01:41] <dsmith> good point willy
[01:42] <intelikey> compilerwriter   2>   redirrects stderr    using    2>&1  redirrects stderr into stdout     puts  2 in 1
[01:42] <Minataku> I should try that. Patent sentences.
[01:42] <Minataku> Y'all'd be so screwed
[01:42] <compilerwriter> intelikey I am beginning to remember now.
[01:42] <Minataku> But then I'd be like Microsoft and that's just not right
[01:43] <hitmanWilly> not really you dont need sentence structure to communicate since puctuation is overrated anyway dont you think
[01:43] <hitmanWilly> :)
[01:43] <compilerwriter> intelikey One could in theory do a 1> but why do that when > is interpreted as that anyway, correct?
[01:44] <intelikey> compilerwriter yes you can   and  1>&2  is sometimes used   to put stdout in stderr to keep output from being redirrected
[01:45] <compilerwriter> intelikey goold ole shell scripting on the fly :-)
[01:45] <intelikey> test case # echo `echo boo 1>&2` >/dev/null
[01:45] <compilerwriter> intelikey is a the very least a demi-god
[01:45] <zerothis> so is my digital camera situation hopeless?
[01:46] <intelikey> zerothis not at all.      but i have nothing "usb" so i know extreemly little about that.
[01:47] <zerothis> intelikey: you have nothing usb? how old is your computer?
[01:47] <tuco> Ok it worked Minataku. But what is that problem I am having then?
[01:47] <calamari> hi
[01:47] <intelikey> zerothis it shipped new with windows 95
[01:47] <Minataku> tuco: That it wasn't turning off?
[01:47] <Minataku> That was caused by not using "-h"
[01:48] <Minataku> Which tells shutdown to halt the system when it's all done
[01:48] <zerothis> intellikey: right on, get the most out of it
[01:48] <Minataku> On a system with ACPI, the halt operation powers the system down via ACPI as the last task
[01:48] <calamari> all the sudden my key repeat stopped working.  I check the keyboard settings, it's fine, so I toggle it just in case.. no fix.  try logging out & back in, no fix.. try rebooting, no fix.  Also it's weird because in the terminal the cursor gets wider when I try to backspace.  What's going on? :)
[01:49] <tuco> yes
[01:49] <intelikey> compilerwriter i'm at a loss.    i don't know why kwin is not an option in the update-alternatives
[01:49] <tuco> So I do have to type the key in the terminal each time now?
[01:49] <intelikey> compilerwriter which kwin
[01:49] <tuco> shutdown -h now
[01:49] <Minataku> tuco: Yes, whenever you want to power it down when you're done using it
[01:49] <compilerwriter> intelikey /usr/bin/kwin
[01:50] <Minataku> You can also leave it on 24/7
[01:50] <tuco> craPP!
[01:50] <tuco> the normal switch off won't work again then?
[01:50] <tuco> log out I mean
[01:50] <compilerwriter> intelikey Maybe this has some bearing.  I started out with ubuntu and then did and apt-get to get the kde environment.  I have to shutdown the machine from a terminal.
[01:51] <compilerwriter> intelikey I can't go to the little button then shutdown.
[01:51] <Minataku> tuco: What?
[01:51] <intelikey> compilerwriter this is a hack, if your willing to try it.     sudo rm /usr/bin/x-window-manager ;sudo ln -s /usr/bin/kwin /usr/bin/x-window-manager
[01:51] <tuco> It used to work fine before / Log out/ Turn off computer
[01:52] <ranjan> hi i am having some trouble with amarok
[01:52] <tuco> now it gives me a black screen and stays there
[01:52] <Minataku> tuco: Sorry, I don't know why that happens
[01:52] <compilerwriter> intelikey no complaints from that command.
[01:52] <tuco> :-(
[01:52] <Minataku> That sounds like KDE is failing
[01:52] <intelikey> compilerwriter the rason the de has no shutdown option is because the "?dm" provides the halt/reboot options and you have not been using a dm
[01:52] <ranjan> amarok will not load playlist
[01:52] <Minataku> Since the shutdown process SHOULD return you to a VT
[01:52] <intelikey> compilerwriter test the   sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start     again
[01:52] <Minataku> Then when the system halts it should just stop responding with text on the screen
[01:53] <tuco> I rebooted the machine and I got this: Error - artsmessage : Sound server fatal error cpu overload, aborting!
[01:53] <intelikey> Minataku no power off signal ?
[01:54] <Minataku> intelikey: No clue
[01:54] <compilerwriter> intelikey 'Not starting .......not default display manager.'
[01:54] <Minataku> I'm thinking that KDE isn't actually doing it's shutdown correctly for him
[01:54] <Minataku> Instead it's just crapping out
[01:54] <tuco> You guys know why I got this: Error - artsmessage : Sound server fatal error cpu overload, aborting
[01:55] <Minataku> tuco: Next time you try with the button in KDE and you get the black screen, hit Ctrl+Alt+F1
[01:55] <Minataku> If it brings you to a VT then KDE isn't actually shutting down
[01:55] <intelikey> compilerwriter try   sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm     and set gdm as the default and see what it does...
[01:55] <Minataku> If it does nothing, then something is screwed up
[01:56] <intelikey> compilerwriter test the   sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start     note the G this time.
 If it brings you to a VT then KDE isn't actually shutting down <<<  ?    kde != anything to do with console
[01:57] <tuco> will try, but it looks like no key is responding
[01:58] <compilerwriter> intelikey http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15453/
[01:58] <Minataku> intelikey: Uh, no crap, I'm trying to diagnose his problem
[01:58] <Minataku> Pay attention, it'll keep the taste of foot out of your mouth
[01:58] <intelikey> Minataku ok.  just asking...
[01:59] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm getting the usual hassle elsewhere on the internet and they're really starting to piss me off
[01:59] <compilerwriter> intelikey: test started the gnome display manager.  Though I am now working in kde.  I guess I have them both started now.
[02:00] <intelikey> compilerwriter no.  you have one dm  one  de
[02:00] <intelikey> compilerwriter there is nothing wrong with using gdm to launch kde
[02:00] <compilerwriter> intelikey one dm  one de?
[02:01] <compilerwriter> dm=? and de=?
[02:01] <intelikey> display manager    and   desktop enviorment
[02:01] <compilerwriter> Now I have ha display manager and a desktop environment ok.
[02:02] <compilerwriter> intelikey will gdm fire up kde by default?
[02:02] <intelikey> compilerwriter yes
[02:02] <intelikey> should
[02:02] <compilerwriter> OK.
[02:02] <intelikey> compilerwriter i'm concerned about the error you posted tho
[02:02] <intelikey> compilerwriter cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[02:03] <compilerwriter> Now so long as xming will connect with gdm when I try to fire up an x-session life will be good.
[02:03] <compilerwriter> intelikey /usr/bin/gdm
[02:03] <intelikey> ok.
[02:03] <life> I used Envy to install my NVidia driver, when I tried to restart xserver colored lines with a white fog that slowly disappears, what can I do?
[02:04] <Arwen> life, revert and install the drivers manually?
[02:04] <intelikey> compilerwriter one other thing check  ls /etc/rc`runlevel`.d/???dm
[02:04] <compilerwriter> about to test that now.
[02:04] <life> Arwen, how can I do that?
[02:04] <Arwen> life, with lots of mad skillz?
[02:04] <compilerwriter> intelikey zsh: no matches found: 2.d/???dm
[02:05] <life> Arwen, mh.. any other option around? :p
[02:05] <compilerwriter> intelikey want me to fork sh and try again?
[02:05] <Arwen> life, dunno, I'm not familiar with the script
[02:05] <Arwen> maybe you could analyze it and figure out what it did?
[02:06] <compilerwriter> intelikey either way not found or no matches found.
[02:07] <compilerwriter> intelikey I am clueless how things got to this state, but who knows.  My best guess would be after I tried out enlightenment.
[02:09] <yintelike> compilerwriter i lost connection.
[02:10] <yintelike> did you get my last check this ?
[02:10] <yintelike> compilerwriter one other thing check  ls /etc/rc`runlevel`.d/???dm
[02:10] <compilerwriter> yintelike I figure that out when I saw you rejoin as your syncopated self
[02:10] <compilerwriter> yintelike yes no matches found
[02:11] <yintelike> oh wait.   runlevel give two numbers...  just do    ls /etc/rc2.d/???dm       and i'll assume you haven't changed it.
[02:11] <yintelike> some times i get fuzzy like that.
[02:12] <guga> !cedega
[02:12] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[02:12] <fool> hello
[02:13] <jtt> fool: hi
[02:14] <the_fool> :)
[02:14] <compilerwriter> intelikey not matches found on that test either.  No I have not changed any runlevel stuff .
[02:15] <smoalne> hello
[02:15] <intelikey> compilerwriter oh   upstart...   krap  i forget they changed that.
[02:16] <compilerwriter> upstart ?????
[02:16] <jtt> smoalne: hi
[02:16] <intelikey> compilerwriter well if gdm doesn't start when you boot   we'll burn that bridge at that time.    i sujest you test it.
[02:17] <smoalne> how r' things
[02:17] <compilerwriter> ok intelikey here goes.
[02:17] <jtt> smoalne: little quiet at this time
[02:17] <seidojohn> Hello smoalne
[02:17] <guga> !winex
[02:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:17] <guga> !info winex
[02:17] <ubotu> Package winex does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[02:17] <lettuce_> can i get printer drivers for kubuntu? I have an Hp printer.
[02:18] <Arwen> winex = Cedega, no?
[02:18] <life> what editor can I use in the command line?
[02:18] <Arwen> life, nano, ed, vim
[02:18] <intelikey> nano
[02:18] <life> Arwen, thx
[02:18] <intelikey> ed !    eeeek
[02:18] <Arwen> he just asked for em, he didn't ask for a recommendation
[02:19] <jtt> ed the original at&t editor  only about 30 commands or less
[02:20] <intelikey> jed ok   ed   yuch
[02:20] <intelikey> joe is nice  if you like vi
[02:21] <grinreaaper> hello all...
[02:21] <Arwen> don't wanna try and figure out all those fancy commands in emacs and vim
[02:21] <intelikey> mc -e  for me
[02:21] <jtt> Arwen: vi is just so powerful though
[02:21] <grinreaaper> can anyone look at this sources.list file and tell  me if i got it right.....
[02:21] <grinreaaper> http://pastebin.ca/439028
[02:22] <intelikey> at first glance i didn't much care for mc   but i can't console without it anymore
[02:22] <Arwen> jtt, all I need to do is write, find, and delete... and I don't wanna spend an hour trying to figure out how to make emacs and vi do that
[02:23] <jtt> Arwen: both have steep learning curves but both are great although i prever vi/vim
[02:24] <intelikey> grinreaaper line 40  ?
[02:25] <intelikey> grinreaaper from line 40 on i would cut.   i don't like fixing things that well.
[02:25] <grinreaaper> ?
[02:25] <Arami> Anyone know how to enable to Configuration Editor? It's disabled by default, and I can't find it under the KDE Menu Editor.
[02:25] <steve__> hi...can anyone tell me the command I need to add to a boot option when using a livecd. I'm having problems with my wireless keyboard hanging up the boot. I think it's something like usbhand or something like that
[02:27] <intelikey> grinreaaper you asked.       yeah you did set it up correctly "IF AND ONLY IF" you want packages that are most likely going to cause problems to also be installed.
[02:28] <grinreaaper> intelikey: oh ok so i got to remooove everything from line 40 ?
[02:28] <intelikey> Arami  alt+f2   type in   kcontrol
[02:28] <intelikey> grinreaaper yes ecrything after line 40 from what i saw.
[02:28] <Arami> Ah!
[02:28] <Arami> Lovely, thank you Intelikey.
[02:29] <grinreaaper> ah k... thanks...
[02:29] <intelikey> welcome
[02:29] <intelikey> welcome
[02:30] <intelikey> steve__ wish i knew.
[02:30] <intelikey> google maybe ?   or ask in #ubuntu
[02:30] <carutsu> !rar
[02:30] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[02:30] <steve__> intelikey, at least you answered
[02:31] <carutsu> !unrar-free>carutsu
[02:31] <grinreaaper> intelikey: can u take a look at this...http://pastebin.ca/439037
[02:31] <grinreaaper> http://pastebin.ca/439037
[02:31] <carutsu> does Ark uses unrar free?
[02:31] <steve__> intelikey, I tried google but you get so many irrelevent hits when you enter boot usb wireless keyboard
[02:32] <lettuce_> Is it possible to get printer drivers fo linux?
[02:33] <nixternal> lettuce_: for what printer?
[02:33] <carutsu> does Ark uses unrar free?
[02:33] <nixternal> most HP printers are covered since CUPS is developed by many and sponsored by HP and Apple
[02:33] <lettuce_> it's an hp printer, psc750
[02:33] <nixternal> there isn't a driver already for it
[02:33] <life> whats the command to change the name of a file in the command line?
[02:34] <Arwen> life, mv
[02:34] <nixternal> life: mv old_filename new_filename
[02:34] <Arwen> mv infile outfile
[02:34] <life> thank you again
[02:34] <steve__> ok, so how about this question. What's a good backup program for linux?
[02:35] <nixternal> steve__: Keep or KDar
[02:35] <lettuce_> so is there any way to set up my printer?
[02:35] <nixternal> there are no KDar Feisty packages though, only <edgy
[02:35] <nixternal> lettuce_: have you tried yet?
[02:36] <steve__> nixternal, I'm using edgy
[02:36] <nixternal> steve__: you might want to give KDar a shot
[02:36] <steve__> nix, ok...thanks
[02:36] <nixternal> I have heard some good things about it like yesterday I think
[02:36] <lettuce_> I've tryed to see if I could print documents but my printer was not on the list of thing I could use to print
[02:37] <steve__> nix, I'm a real newbie at Linux and I sure am having problems about everytime I turn around with one thing or another
[02:37] <nixternal> lettuce_: I am pretty sure all of the PSC printers are covered, I have a PSC1610 and it works like a champ
[02:37] <gemidjy> lettuce_: what model/type printer?
[02:37] <nixternal> steve__: you will grow out of that quicker than you think just as long as you keep breaking and fixing :)
[02:37] <lettuce_> psc 750
[02:37] <Daisuke-Ido> have you set the printer up yet?
[02:37] <nixternal> steve__: gotta have patience, which can wear thin at times
[02:38] <lettuce_> printer is plugged in and turned on
[02:38] <Daisuke-Ido> i'll take that as a no
[02:38] <Daisuke-Ido> one moment
[02:38] <nixternal> lettuce_: you need to set the printer up first
[02:38] <nixternal> very easy job
[02:38] <gemidjy> lettuce_: have u tried this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6571 ?
[02:38] <Daisuke-Ido> kcontrol > printers > peripherals
[02:38] <Daisuke-Ido> it's really easy to do
[02:39] <lettuce_> ok
[02:39] <nixternal> lettuce_: are you using Feisty or Edgy?
[02:39] <lettuce_> edgy
[02:39] <compilerwriter> intelikey I guess we have now crossed the bridge of when gdm does not start on boot.
[02:39] <steve__> nix, like for instance I went to install kdar and it said it couldn't proceed because it had unresolvable dependencies
[02:39] <Arwen> w00t, feisty is good enough to use now!
[02:39] <Arwen> I mean, it has been for a while, but... sweet!
[02:39] <compilerwriter> intelikey comeing to you from irssi.
[02:40] <steve__> nix, here's what it said: Depends: libdar3c2a  but it is not installable
[02:40] <nixternal> lettuce_: KMenu -> System Settings -> Printer
[02:40] <gemidjy> lettuce_: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PSC_750 check thisout
[02:40] <gemidjy> just for info
[02:40] <nixternal> lettuce_: then do :: Add > New Printer
[02:40] <nixternal> lettuce_: there is a driver for the HP PSC 750 in Kubuntu for you, so you don't have to do anything but do the initial setup
[02:41] <Ricky> Does anybody have any idea why my wireless stops working after a short period of time? I am connected using ndiswrapper. Is there some error log I should check next time it stops working?
[02:41] <nixternal> once you get to the driver portion, scroll down to HP, and then you scroll all the way down in the Model: side and you will see the PSC 750
[02:45] <lettuce__> ok, I can't seem to find "add" under system settings and printer
[02:46] <Daisuke-Ido> it's got a magic wand next to it
[02:46] <lettuce__> oh ok there it is :P
[02:46] <Daisuke-Ido> :)
[02:47] <compilerwriter> intelikey you there?
[02:49] <luisgrin> hi, im on kubuntu livecvd, the pc has a partitioned hard disk and it now in booting CENTOS and XP, i want to install kubuntu, but i dont want to loose xp disk
[02:51] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin xp is hdA1?
[02:53] <luisgrin> chemicalvamp: the pc has only one disk it is partiotioned
[02:53] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin yes i know
[02:53] <luisgrin> xp in one partition and centos in the other
[02:53] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin but the xp partition is hda1?
[02:54] <luisgrin> i dont know in what parttion it is, how can i know it?
[02:54] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin im duel booting XP MCE and kubuntu
[02:55] <luisgrin> chemicalvamp: i think one may ..  hace noiw centos and xp)
[02:55] <lettuce__> Printer works! thank you!
[02:56] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin i know "ls /dev/hda*" will list all the hda's but i dont know how to tell whats what unless you mount them
[02:56] <luisgrin> ok, but is there any way to see the current hd**?
[02:57] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin do ls /dev/hda* and tell me what it says
[02:57] <jhutchins> How about fdisk -l
[02:57] <jhutchins> sudo fdisk -l
[02:57] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin if your booting from a live cd, your current current hd* is your ram
[02:58] <luisgrin> sure i see
[02:58] <chemicalvamp> jhutchins hehe thanks for the tip
[02:58] <makuseru> how can i stop flash objects in web pages from being ontop of everything else? (in FF)
[02:59] <jhutchins> makuseru: Turn off flash?
[02:59] <Arami> This is confusing, I've downloaded, and extracted a tar.gz with a bootsplash in it, however, I'm not sure how to load it onto the bootsplash menu in the Control Center...Any ideas?
[02:59] <jhutchins> makuseru: Avoid badly built web sites?
[02:59] <grinreaaper> how do i enable multimedia codecs in kubuntu
[03:00] <makuseru> jhutchins: stop being a jerk
[03:00] <jhutchins> !mp3 | grinreaaper
[03:00] <makuseru> im acctually looking for help
[03:00] <ubotu> grinreaaper: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:00] <makuseru> and not someone telling me to unninstall flash and i dont care how much you hate flash
[03:01] <luisgrin> i dont find the terminal .... wait :)
[03:01] <jhutchins> makuseru: Didn't say uninstall, I said turn off.  You can also try using konqueror or opera, but the problem is that the site has been built badly, and there's not much you can do about that.
[03:01] <makuseru> jhutchins: no, its ANY flash object
[03:01] <makuseru> period
[03:01] <makuseru> any site
[03:01] <makuseru> ever
[03:01] <jhutchins> (Unless, of course, it's your site.)
[03:01] <makuseru> no, its any site
[03:01] <jhutchins> makuseru: Even youtube?
[03:02] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin kde menu, system, konsole
[03:02] <jhutchins> makuseru: Give me an example and I'll see what happens from here.
[03:02] <yo> hello can anyone help me install vlc? i'm new to linux and adept says "break package" something....i downloaded the .tar.gz ...then got g++ and make....but no good !
[03:02] <luisgrin> ok
[03:02] <chemicalvamp> OR just use the run command on the kde menu, and click run in terminal
[03:02] <jhutchins> yo: The details are important. If it's more than two or three lines, use the pastebin in the topic.
[03:03] <compilerwriter> jhutchins I guess intelikey has left us for the moment.
[03:03] <makuseru> go to www.gibson.com theres a flash object on the main page, there are drop down menus above the flash object, if yo uhover over it it drops down, under the flash, the flash puts itsefl ontop of everything, its like that on ever site for me
[03:03] <luisgrin> fdisk -l nothing
[03:04] <jhutchins> makuseru: How's the layout in konqueror?  Mine's fine.
[03:04] <utnubuk> has ubuntu dropped powerpc support?
[03:04] <makuseru> i dunno, never tried in knoqueror, lemme see
[03:04] <jhutchins> makuseru: Oh, yeah, all the pop-down menus drop behind the foreground.
[03:05] <makuseru> jhutchins: its like that on EVERYTHING
[03:05] <makuseru> any site
[03:05] <makuseru> ever
[03:05] <luisgrin> ubuntu@ubuntu:/$ ls /dev/hda1
[03:05] <luisgrin> /dev/hda1
[03:05] <jhutchins> makuseru: Use konq.    I have menus on my sites that don't have that problem.
[03:06] <makuseru> your right, its fine in konqueror
[03:06] <makuseru> is there a FF room
[03:06] <jhutchins> makuseru: It _IS_ bad coding on the web site, but knoq compensates.
[03:06] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin what did it say?
[03:06] <makuseru> jhutchins: so its bad on EVERYONES website?
[03:06] <kai__> wasup ppl
[03:07] <jhutchins> makuseru: Not everyone uses stupid flash drop-down menus.
[03:07] <compilerwriter> any way, jhutchins, he said we would cross the bridge when we came to it.  We have crossed the bridge now.  gdm did not start up on its own in reboot.  Further I had to start kdm in order to get xming and xdmcp to work.  So perhaps I need to use kdm and then find out why it will not start on reboot.
[03:07] <luisgrin> only repeat the hda1 or 2 or 3 ...
[03:07] <makuseru> is there a FF room
[03:07] <jhutchins> makuseru: But if they do, and they built them the same way Gibson did, then yeah, it's broken.
[03:07] <luisgrin> ls: /dev/hda0: No such file or directory
[03:07] <luisgrin> ubuntu@ubuntu:/$ ls /dev/hda1
[03:07] <luisgrin> /dev/hda1
[03:07] <kai__> Is there any one here that can help mount my ipod in amarok, can someone help me out. I don't remeber the process
[03:07] <jhutchins> makuseru: Yes, #firefox.
[03:08] <chemicalvamp> luisgrin ohh... no do ls /dev/hda* the * is a wildcard it will show, 1, 2, 3, 4, etc
[03:08] <jhutchins> !ipod | kai__
[03:08] <ubotu> kai__: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[03:09] <chemicalvamp> but sudo fdisk -l works a whole lot better
[03:09] <compilerwriter> !rockbox | compilerwriter
[03:09] <luisgrin> ok
[03:09] <kai__> thanx
[03:09] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: The bot covers several channels, he's slow sometimes.
[03:10] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: I'm hoping somebody else will jump in here, because I'm much more familiar with chkconfig than with update-rc.d.
[03:10] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Did you have an ubuntu system you manually updated to kubuntu?
[03:11] <compilerwriter> jhutchins can we fix it with chkconfig?  Yes, I had Ubuntu originally and then did an apt-get to get kde.
[03:11] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Well, yes, but we'd have to install a different Linux distro first.
[03:11] <compilerwriter> I have also gotten enlightenment, fluxbox, and blackbox to try them out.  I am beginning to think the trile to enlightenment screwed things up.
[03:11] <jhutchins> That 'splains it.
[03:12] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: try sudo update-rc.d add kdm default
[03:12] <luisgrin> chemicalvamp: i dont want to keep centos, and i paste you in private
[03:13] <jhutchins> luisgrin: Big pastes can knock you off the server, better to use the pastebin.
[03:13] <jhutchins> !paste | luis
[03:13] <ubotu> luis: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:13] <compilerwriter> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/add: file does not exist jhutchins
[03:13] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Well, it's fairly obvious that either we need -add, --add, or to put add _after_ kdm
[03:15] <jhutchins> Ah, often useful to just run the command.
[03:15] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults.
[03:15] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: It assumes "add".
[03:15] <compilerwriter> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15462/ jhutchins is the usage
[03:16] <compilerwriter> oh you have already looked it up.
[03:16] <thill2708> Why is my feisty not able to read windows burned dvd+r's?
[03:16] <compilerwriter> System startup links for /etc/init.d/kdm already exist. jhutchins
[03:17] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Not very good.
[03:17] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: How have you been starting it?
[03:17] <kai__> I kepe getting error and I don't know what it means '/media/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB' does not exist. Import aborted.
[03:17] <compilerwriter> jhutchins: I have been ssh into my box and starting it manually.
[03:18] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: With what command?
[03:19] <grinreaaper> hey are the ports in kubuntu blocked by default in kubuntu?
[03:19] <thill2708> anyone else having problems reading dvd+r's?
[03:20] <Daisuke-Ido> not to my knowledge and no
[03:20] <JasonBox> I just upgraded to Edgy and all my fonts are now 4pt smaller; my DPI as reported by X is the same now as before the upgrade
[03:20] <JasonBox> Tried dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[03:21] <Ricky> In windows, you can type Alt+[unicode numbers]  to type a special character. For instance, Alt+666 just happened to be capital U with an umlaut (two dots) over it. How can I enable such a thing in Ubuntu, or how would I be able to type special characters such as this?
[03:21] <JasonBox> I am at a loss as to how to resolve this; I guess I may have to simply get Edgy and reinstall
[03:23] <reldruh> does anybody know of a keyboard shortcut in kate to switch to the terminal? I looked through the list of shortcuts and couldn't find one...
[03:25] <jhutchins> reldruh: Ctrl-Alt-F[1-6]
[03:26] <Arami> Anyone have any idea how to install a bootsplash from a tar.gz, I extracted using tar -xvzf command...But I'm at a loss from there.
[03:29] <kai__> what command would I use to find what filesystem to mount?
[03:33] <compilerwriter> kai__ do you mean what type of file system it is?
[03:33] <YbeddJ> where does konsole read its list of fonts from?
[03:34] <YbeddJ> where does konsole read its list of fonts from??
[03:34] <kai__> yes, Thats what i meant, my 'pod doesn mount automatically and the stuff from google hasn't work
[03:34] <YbeddJ> i want tuh change mine but the list is limited
[03:35] <Arami> Anyone have any idea how to install a bootsplash? I extracted from tar.gz, but I can't seem to add it to the list from there.
[03:37] <guga> !seamonkey
[03:37] <ubotu> Seamonkey, formerly known as "Mozilla Application Suite", is available at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ with install instructions for ubuntu at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186011
[03:37] <guga> !botsnack
[03:37] <ubotu> Yum!
[03:38] <kai__> compilerwriter: basically I need to know find out what filesystem to mount to use my ipod and I can't find it. My ipod doesn't mount or anything and I don't know why
[03:40] <Arami> Ok, how about this question: Why whenever I use "make" it tells me "Command not found"
[03:41] <BluesKaj> Arami: you have to install "make"
[03:41] <Arami> >.< And apparently a C compiler too.
[03:41] <BluesKaj> it's a script
[03:41] <Arami> "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"
[03:42] <Dasnipa`> Arami, right... you need to install g++ and automake
[03:42] <Dasnipa`> and probably a number of librarys that ./configure will tell you that you need once you have the first two things
[03:42] <dickmc> anyone know how I can become root in a terminal?
[03:42] <Dasnipa`> !root | dickmc
[03:43] <ubotu> dickmc: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:43] <dazza> dickmc: sudo -s
[03:43] <YbeddJ> !konsole
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konsole - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:44] <Arami> Hmm.
[03:44] <thill2708> This (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/1685) reports the question is answered, but I find no answer to my dvd+r problem. Any other places I could look besides ubuntuforums?
[03:45] <dickmc> Thanks but I need to become root to install Acrobat to finish my taxes  sudo won't do it
[03:46] <Arami> This is confusing *facepalm* I'm attempting to find this complier to install...But I've no idea where to look >.<
[03:49] <[pyro] > hey guys. i installed the nvidia drivers as per instructions on the forum. now when i boot my edgy machine i dont get my kde login. I have to press CTRL ALT F7 and then the nvidia logo comes up and then i get the login. If i dont touch it it just sits on a black screen and any button i push brings up the first terminal
[03:49] <Sanne> Arami: you need the package build-essential
[03:49] <chemicalvamp> [pyro]  sounds like you messed up your xserver
[03:50] <[pyro] > chemicalvamp: when i press ALT CTRL F7 to switch to that term, the login comes up ok. every time. At first i thought it was booting into init 3 instead of 5, but its definatly booting to init 5
[03:53] <Arami> People keep mentioning this build-essential
[03:53] <Arami> I've looked in Adept :P
[03:53] <Arami> No build-essential there...
[03:54] <dickmc> dazza, ubotu, Ybeddj  thanks
[03:55] <YbeddJ> k
[03:55] <Arami> Even used apt-get install build-essential
[03:55] <Arami> Nothing :P
[03:57] <[pyro] > im looking at some posts on the forum and the recommend using the Envy script to setup nvidia / x etc. Does anyone here not recommend to use this script?
[03:58] <Arami> Sanne: I keep getting this, every way I try it "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "build-essential""
[03:58] <Sanne> Arami: if you have *ubuntu, it should be in repository main.
[03:59] <dazza> Hi, amarok crashes whenever I try to do anything with it under feisty. Is this a known issue?
[04:00] <Arami> Sanne: Is that the list of installed modules in Adept? If so, it's not there.
[04:02] <BluesKaj> dazza: do what in amarok?
[04:03] <Sanne> Arami: sorry, I'm helping another person in another channel also. The "main" repository is enabled by default in kubuntu. Are you on edgy?
[04:03] <dazza> BluesKaj: amarok loads but as soon as i try to click on anything except the playlist items it crashes and an error report opens
[04:04] <BluesKaj> and the error is ?
[04:04] <Sanne> Arami: can you find the package with (in konsole): apt-cache search build-essential
[04:04] <dazza> BluesKaj: it's a stacktrace, dumped into kmail
[04:05] <dazza> brb
[04:06] <BluesKaj> check the kmail trace for the error report and post it in Pastebin
[04:06] <dazza> BluesKaj: i'll do a pastebin thing... hold up
[04:07] <Arami> Sanne: Hmm, uhm, I think this is dapper O_O but, I'm not sure.
[04:07] <dazza> ah, brilliant idea :P amarok stacktrace: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15470/
[04:07] <Sanne> Arami: find out with: cat /etc/lsb-release
[04:07] <Arami> Sanne: using tha command "apt-cache search build essential" just drops the command line back to me.
[04:08] <tinyx> How can I record my screen with Kubuntu?
[04:08] <tinyx> and save it as a video file?
[04:08] <Sanne> Arami: it's apt-cache search build-essential (note the dash)
[04:08] <Arami> Oui, Dapper.
[04:08] <tinyx> I need to make an instructional video
[04:08] <Sanne> ok
[04:08] <Arami> Sanne: Ok, did it with the dash, same thing.
[04:09] <Arami> Sanne: just dropped the command line back to me.
[04:09] <Sanne> Arami: funny. I need to look at your sources.list. Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.ubuntu-nl.org? do you inwo how to open it with a text editor?
[04:09] <tinyx> Arami: Parlez-vous Francais?
[04:09] <dazza> Arami: try apt-cache policy build-essential
[04:10] <BluesKaj> dazza: I think you need to install the xinelibs and maybe the xine engine as well
[04:10] <Arami> Tinyx: Oui, Je parlez un peu Francias...From 6 years of it O_o And I'm no where's near fluent.
[04:11] <Arami> Sanne: Yes, I'll go get it.
[04:11] <tinyx> hah..neither am I
[04:11] <tinyx> I speak some, but I am not fluent.
[04:11] <dazza> BluesKaj: ok thanks, i'll have a look at what xine stuff is installed
[04:12] <BluesKaj> dazza:  and codecs
[04:13] <dazza> BluesKaj: libxine1 is already installed, as is amarok-xine and amarok-engines
[04:13] <Arami> Sanne:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15471/
[04:13] <dazza> BluesKaj: what package contains the codecs?
[04:14] <BluesKaj> just enter codecs in the serchbar in adept or synaptic
[04:15] <Sanne> Lol, Arami, every line is commented out. You basically have not a singe repository active.
[04:16] <Sanne> Arami: ah, I see the installer did that.
[04:16] <Arami> Sanne: Erm :( I'm a newbie to Linux here, still trying to learn...So what do I do about them not being active? How do I activate them then?
[04:17] <conorkirk1> I am trying to have Amarok load my music from another computer
[04:17] <conorkirk1> but when trying to mount it, I get this:
[04:17] <Sanne> Arami: remove the hash sign (#) from the beginning of the line 2 (for a start... that may be not enough in the long run, but for now, it's ok). Open the file with admin permissions by typing: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:17] <conorkirk1> mv /home/ckirkpat/desktop/stuff/* /home/ckirkpat/desktopoverflow/
[04:17] <conorkirk1> sorry
[04:17] <conorkirk1> wrong thing
[04:17] <BluesKaj> commented out means there's a # in front of the deb
[04:18] <conorkirk1> I get this:
[04:18] <conorkirk1>  missing codepage or other error
[04:18] <conorkirk1>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[04:18] <conorkirk1>        dmesg | tail  or so
[04:18] <Sanne> Arami: the hash sign means, everything after that in the line is regarded as a comment and gets ignored by apt.
[04:19] <kubuntu42> did AIM on kopete take a dive?
[04:19] <Arami> Sanne: Done, and I knew the hash sign from a bit of IRC programming :}
[04:19] <conorkirk1> Sysinfo for 'ckirkpat-desktop': Linux 2.6.17-10-powerpc running KDE 3.5.5, CPU:  at 0 MHz (82 bogomips), , RAM: 240/249MB, 87 proc's, 6.30min up
[04:20] <conorkirk1>  missing codepage or other error
[04:20] <conorkirk1>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[04:20] <conorkirk1>        dmesg | tail  or so
[04:20] <conorkirk1> I get that when trying to mount a network drive
[04:22] <Sanne> Arami: ok :). If you saved the sources.list, you can update your package list, either in Adept, or by typing: sudo apt-get update
[04:23] <Arami> Sanne: Ok, I'll try that.
[04:24] <Arami> Sanne: Ok, updates are done. I should be able to compile now?
[04:28] <Sanne> Arami: no, now you should be able to find the package build-essential
[04:28] <dazza> BluesKaj: I installed libxine-extracodecs or something, but the crash is still there
[04:28] <Sanne> Arami: if so, install it, then you should try to compile again
[04:28] <Arami> Sanne: Yep, It's installing now.
[04:29] <Sanne> Arami: nice :)
[04:29] <dazza> Arami: just out of interest, what are you trying to compile?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> dazza: which version of amarok ?
[04:29] <Arami> dazza: Xchat :) I'd used it before, and wanted it here.
[04:30] <dazza> Arami: that's in the repositories, you don't need to compile it
[04:30] <Sanne> Arami: you might also want to read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components, tells you a bit about managing repositories and installing and such.
[04:31] <Arami> dazza: Oh it is? Well, I guess it's good that I worked out the ability to install stuff with apt-get install lol
[04:31] <dazza> Arami: now that you've got your repos set up properly you can probably open adept and search for xchat :)
[04:31] <dazza> Arami: yeah or apt-get! :D
[04:32] <Arami> dazza: w00t XD
[04:32] <Arami> Sanne: Do you perhaps have time to answer another question that's been bugging me?
[04:32] <Daisuke-Ido> 90% of what a normal user needs is available through the repos
[04:33] <Sanne> Arami: if it's a quick one... I just told the other person I need to sleep, it's very late here :). But shoot.
[04:34] <Arami> Sanne: I've been trying to install this bootsplash, came in a tar.gz, I extracted it, but I'm kind of at a loss of what to do now O_O
[04:34] <beau> you have make it
[04:34] <beau> go to konsole to that /dir then make
[04:34] <beau> then make install
[04:34] <beau> or something
[04:35] <Sanne> Arami: hmmm, never did that, but I remember seeing a howto. Let me investigate (in case nobody else knows).
[04:35] <dazza> BluesKaj: sorry, got distracted
[04:35] <dazza> BluesKaj: amarok 1.4.5 (using kde 3.5.6)
[04:36] <BluesKaj> strange dazza, it should be working
[04:36] <Arami> dazza: Well I found xchat on adept, but it's for gnome? Is there another version? This is the only one i've found.
[04:37] <Daisuke-Ido> xchat isn't for gnome, it's a gtk+ app
[04:37] <Sanne> Arami: is this for the grub boot screen, whemn you choose which os gets booted, or is it a replacement for usplash, the blue kubuntu image with the progress bar during boot?
[04:37] <Daisuke-Ido> it will work just fine under kde
[04:37] <felzix> hi.  I'm not sure what is going on, but a dialog for logging into LiveJournal keeps popping up (meaning that it returns a lot).  It will only go away if a xkill it, but that just killed kded, thus killing my ability to use some hotkeys.
[04:38] <Sanne> Arami: I also use xchat in Kubuntu, it's fine
[04:38] <Arami> Sanne: It's a replacement for the uplash.
[04:38] <felzix> is there a better place for asking about this than here, and if so, where?
[04:38] <Arami> Sanne: usplash*
[04:38] <dazza> BluesKaj: i know :( i'll probably stick to xine for now
[04:38] <Sanne> Arami: ok, then this may apply: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[04:38] <dazza> BluesKaj: maybe it will stabilise when feisty final comes out
[04:38] <CraZy675> so I got my new monitor working
[04:39] <Sanne> Arami: I hope it helps you, and I say goodnight now, ok?
[04:39] <dazza> Arami: xine is a native gnome/gtk app, there's no version for kde :(
[04:39] <dazza> Arami: it will work fine, but look kinda nasty :)
[04:40] <CraZy675> I had too boot with the live cd which recognized the monitor then I copied the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the hdd install, now everything works great
[04:40] <BluesKaj> dazza: I had it running fine on edgy ...runs even better on feisty , was able to config digital out spdif to the stereo in the the tv room
[04:40] <nandoviski_> Algum Brasileiro ai???
[04:40] <Arami> Sanne: Thanks! :) Goodnight! :)
[04:40] <Sanne> Arami: you're welcome :)
[04:40] <Arami> Sanne: You've been a huge help! :)
[04:40] <Sanne> :)
[04:40] <CraZy675> now I have a fancy monitor, what is the situation with xgl or equivalent on kubuntu?
[04:41] <dazza> BluesKaj: yeah, i expected it to run nicely under feisty because we're so close to a release (and i've only recently reinstalled)
[04:41] <Dasnipa`> CraZy675, that would be Xubuntu
[04:41] <dazza> BluesKaj: it doesn't like something about my setup though
[04:41] <BluesKaj> dazza:  whynot do clean remove / reinstall .
[04:41] <CraZy675> Dasnipa`: okay I'll check that out
[04:41] <dazza> BluesKaj: of amarok? or the OS?
[04:41] <BluesKaj> amarok
[04:42] <dazza> i suppose it can't hurt
[04:42] <dazza> ooh! it's building my collection. that's a step up...
[04:42] <nandoviski_> how i put any channel in AutoJoin??????
[04:43] <Daisuke-Ido> Dasnipa`: what?
[04:43] <BluesKaj> dazza: sometime swe have to do the windows restart thing to get added stuff to work :)
[04:43] <Daisuke-Ido> what does xubuntu have to do with xgl?
[04:43] <dazza> BluesKaj: hehe nasty! i thought we were beyond that :p
[04:43] <felzix> nandoviski: which application are you using?
[04:44] <dazza> BluesKaj: i think i might have fixed it.
[04:44] <dazza> i'm willing to bet the crashes were related to an empty playlist
[04:44] <Dasnipa`> Daisuke-Ido, oops... i thought he said xfce
[04:45] <Noldoaran> quick question: how do I set the programs that start up when my system starts up? (specficlly I want apache to start up, and cherokee not to.)
[04:45] <BluesKaj> it's loading your music , dazza?
[04:45] <Daisuke-Ido> ah
[04:45] <dazza> BluesKaj: yep, loading and playing now
[04:45] <CraZy675> xgl is on xfce?
[04:45] <dazza> BluesKaj: previously i kept deleting the 'sample track' that comes with amarok before trying to build the collection
[04:45] <Daisuke-Ido> CraZy675: no
[04:45] <BluesKaj> cool dazza :)
[04:46] <CraZy675> I didn't think so
[04:46] <dazza> BluesKaj: this time i left it there and just built the collection straight away, now i'm playing music and using it like normal :D
[04:46] <dazza> i think i'll file a bug report
[04:46] <Dasnipa`> CraZy675, sorry... i messed up in my recommendation i got xfce and xgl mixed
[04:46] <utnubuk> i keep getting a kernel panic when i try to boot the live cd on a PPC.
[04:46] <Daisuke-Ido> CraZy675: just curious, are you using nvidia or ati?
[04:46] <CraZy675> ati
[04:47] <utnubuk> even with live video=ofonly
[04:47] <nandoviski_> felzix: Konversation
[04:47] <Daisuke-Ido> utnubuk: are you using a PPC live cd?
[04:47] <CraZy675> older all in wonder
[04:47] <Daisuke-Ido> hmm
[04:47] <utnubuk> Daisuke-Ido: pretty sure.
[04:47] <BluesKaj> funny i use amarok just as a player...I have no music files in it ...streams , cds is all i do
[04:47] <Daisuke-Ido> BluesKaj: i'd pass out without my collection
[04:47] <Daisuke-Ido> although i need to convert it to mysql
[04:47] <utnubuk> are there any comps that are known to be uncompatable?
[04:47] <Daisuke-Ido> sqlite is so slow :(
[04:48] <dazza> BluesKaj: maybe my  theory is wrong then... wouldn't be the first time :)
[04:48] <dazza> Daisuke-Ido: how big is your collection? the speed has never been an issue for me
[04:48] <nandoviski_> felzix: Konversation
[04:48] <BluesKaj> dazza: theory ?
[04:48] <dazza> BluesKaj: about the empty playlist causing the crashes
[04:48] <CraZy675> Daisuke-Ido: I find sqlite slow too I just limited my playlist sizes to 500 and that seems to work
[04:48] <Daisuke-Ido> about 180gb
[04:48] <Daisuke-Ido> not playlist, entire collection
[04:48] <dazza> :o holy shiznit
[04:48] <Daisuke-Ido> i keep playlists small
[04:49] <dazza> mine is about 10gb
[04:49] <CraZy675> i only got 120gb
[04:49] <felzix> nandoviski: go to the Server List (F2), select the server, and click on Edit...
[04:49] <dazza> well i can see why mysql might be beneficial there
[04:49] <Daisuke-Ido> CraZy675: you know you can use mysql as a backend and it speeds it up
[04:49] <CraZy675> Daisuke-Ido: yea i did know that
[04:49] <CraZy675> I forget why I'm not
[04:49] <Daisuke-Ido> which reminds me, i should really set that up while i'm thinking about it
[04:50] <Daisuke-Ido> probably the same reason i'm not
[04:50] <felzix> nandoviski: At the bottom, in "Auto Join Channels" , select "Add..."
[04:50] <Daisuke-Ido> never quite got around to it
[04:50] <nandoviski_> felzix: yes, sure! i am jackass... heheh
[04:50] <BluesKaj> yeah dazza , an empty playlist causing problems is kinda remote to my way of thinking :)
[04:50] <CraZy675> anyhow is XGL still cool or did something else come along
[04:51] <CraZy675> and is it easy to get up and running on kde
[04:51] <Daisuke-Ido> beryl with xgl is doable
[04:51] <Daisuke-Ido> !beryl
[04:51] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:51] <cheeseboy> can someone help me with qemu?
[04:51] <Daisuke-Ido> definitely check that out, and the #ubuntu-effects channel has some really nice links in their topic for getting it running
[04:51] <dazza> i tried beryl this morning under feisty. worked fine but the wm didn't come up
[04:52] <dazza> cheeseboy: what's your question?
[04:52] <Daisuke-Ido> cheeseboy: still trying to run your real windows installation from within a virtualization program?
[04:52] <cheeseboy> yes
[04:52] <Daisuke-Ido> now, are you doing this to play games?
[04:52] <sheldonc> i love you cheeseboy
[04:53] <cheeseboy> yes and for some programming
[04:53] <Daisuke-Ido> games like modern games
[04:53] <Daisuke-Ido> 3d and such
[04:53] <cheeseboy> more emulators
[04:53] <cheeseboy> emulator in emulator
[04:53] <cheeseboy> :)
[04:53] <Daisuke-Ido> there are plenty of emus available native
[04:53] <cheeseboy> they stin though
[04:54] <Daisuke-Ido> really now
[04:54] <cheeseboy> stink
[04:54] <cheeseboy> *
[04:54] <dazza> cheeseboy: qemu has support for 3d?
[04:54] <cheeseboy> and i need windows for programming
[04:54] <Daisuke-Ido> dazza:  no
[04:54] <dazza> cheeseboy: you need windows for programming? that's like saying you need potatoes for beer :p
[04:54] <cheeseboy> well noob programming
[04:55] <dazza> cheeseboy: have you had a look at the mono project?
[04:55] <dazza> cheeseboy: they have a nice visual studio-like ide, and the compiled proggys will run under microsoft .net
[04:55] <cheeseboy> i still want to run windows in it
[04:56] <cheeseboy> dazza no not tht kind of progamming
[04:56] <cheeseboy> a program that doesnt work in linux
[04:56] <dazza> fair enough. i'm afraid i haven't tried converting a native install into a vm
[04:56] <dazza> i always go for a re-install
[04:56] <cheeseboy> trying quemu
[04:56] <dazza> besides which, you'll bump into windows activation issues
[04:57] <dazza> if you need to run both, get a second box and use vnc to create a virtual desktop across two monitors :)
[04:57] <dazza> slightly more expensive but that's the nicest way to do it
[04:59] <dazza> apt-cache show x2vnc
[05:00] <dazza> ok what on earth is going on with copy/paste under feisty? i can't middle-click to paste
[05:00] <cheeseboy> can someone help me with qemu?
[05:00] <dazza> cheeseboy: you will get a better response if you ask a specific question
[05:01] <cheeseboy> how do i boot installed xp in qemu?
[05:02] <YbeddJ> where is the config file 'that tells konsole which fonts are installed' stored?
[05:03] <dazza> cheeseboy: at a guess, qemu -hda /path/to/windows/partition :)
[05:05] <cheeseboy> what would exanmple path be?
[05:06] <dazza> for an ide hard drive on edgy, it could be /dev/hda or /dev/hdb
[05:06] <dazza> or similar
[05:06] <cheeseboy> >:{
[05:06] <dazza> feisty uses /dev/sd[a-z]
[05:06] <cheeseboy> \disk read error
[05:07] <dazza> you will need to be root to do it i think
[05:07] <dazza> also make sure your windows drive isn't mounted anywhere
[05:07] <dazza> you could do some damage to it
[05:07] <cheeseboy> i got same thing in vmware
[05:07] <angasule> the XF86MyComputer and XF86Mail keys in my keyboard seem to be hardwired to konqueror and kmail, why?? I can't find a way of changing them to something else
[05:08] <dazza> cheeseboy: install straight to a vm, it will save you a *lot* of pain
[05:08] <cheeseboy> no space
[05:08] <dazza> hehehe
[05:08] <dazza> delete some junk :)
[05:08] <dazza> or buy another hdd
[05:08] <noiesmo> cheeseboy, you cant use qemu to run windows thats installed on your harddrive ie the windows on a dual boot system. with qemu u can make an image that you can boot check this link http://kidsquid.com/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-f9c9cc6b33b9e6a406559a0e10491f5afac83101
[05:08] <cheeseboy> no junk too poor
[05:09] <angasule> cheeseboy: burn a few DVDs
[05:09] <cheeseboy> noiesmo i dont want image
[05:09] <cheeseboy> no dvd burner
[05:09] <dazza> you could be out of luck. vm stuff uses a lot of resources
[05:10] <cheeseboy> how do i set root password?
[05:10] <dazza> !root cheeseboy
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about root cheeseboy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <jhutchins> cheeseboy: You don't.
[05:10] <dazza> !root
[05:10] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:10] <jhutchins> !sudo cheeseboy
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sudo cheeseboy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <bonbonthejon> cheeseboy: you dont need to, do sudo su
[05:10] <jhutchins> !sudo | cheeseboy
[05:10] <ubotu> cheeseboy: please see above
[05:10] <jhutchins> !kdesu | cheeseboy
[05:10] <ubotu> cheeseboy: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:11] <jhutchins> bonbonthejon: sudo su is wrong.
[05:11] <jhutchins> bonbonthejon: Read the help pages.
[05:11] <jhutchins> sudo su is wrong twice.
[05:11] <jhutchins> Maybe even three times.
[05:12] <dazza> jhutchins: twice?
[05:12] <jhutchins> Three times.
[05:12] <dazza> hehe
[05:12] <dazza> yes but why? i can understand why sudo -s is better, but why is it twice wrong?
[05:12] <jhutchins> It's wrong, because the correct way to achieve that is sudo -i
[05:12] <dazza> or three times rather
[05:12] <jhutchins> It's also wrong because it will leave you in the user environment.
[05:13] <jhutchins> It's wrong again because ubuntu is designed to use sudo, not run as root.
[05:13] <jhutchins> And maybe for the fourth time, becuase su shouldn't work, the root account is supposed to be locked, and ther are imilications of that that could seriously screw your system.
[05:14] <jhutchins> implications even
[05:14] <cheesebo1> why cant it read my windows install?
[05:14] <dazza> now you're stretching it. if the root account were *seriously* locked, you would have to stay in the user environment to do anything admin-wise
[05:14] <jhutchins> !windows
[05:14] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[05:14] <jhutchins> !vfat
[05:14] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[05:15] <j_rippel> I have a question. I currently have Ubuntu and have installed the kubuntu-desktop package... I've found that I want to exclusively run Kubuntu, but this computer has 3 partitions, one for XP, one for things shared between Ubuntu and XP and one for ubuntu... can I just format over the ubuntu install and install Kubuntu?
[05:15] <jhutchins> dazza: Trust somebody who's been running this stuff since RH 2.1.
[05:15] <noiesmo> cheesebo1, you on a dual boot system with windows and ubuntu installed ??
[05:15] <cheesebo1> yes
[05:15] <jhutchins> dazza: The root account on *ubuntu IS locked.
[05:15] <dazza> jhutchins: my supply of random trust is somewhat limited, i prefer to understand :)
[05:16] <noiesmo> cheesebo1, and you want to access files on windows partition thru filemanager ?
[05:16] <jhutchins> dazza: google linux locked user|account
[05:16] <dazza> jhutchins: if that's the case, then sudo su is a flaw - yet it is still widely used
[05:16] <cheesebo1> no i want quemu to boot it
[05:16] <felzix> kded makes a dialog for logging into livejournal pop up every few minutes.  The only way that I can see to stop it is to xkill it, but that also disables some global keybindings.
[05:16] <cheesebo1> qemu*
[05:17] <jhutchins> dazza: The forced use of sudo in ubuntu is preliminary - this is the first time it's ever been done even close to right, and it's worth trying to work with the system.
[05:17] <Ricky> How can I install kiba-dock on kubuntu?
[05:17] <jhutchins> dazza: To force compliance, we could provide a sudoers file that prevents incorrect use, but we're trying to be gentle about this.
[05:17] <noiesmo> cheesebo1, don't think it can be done from what i read here in docs section you can get qemu to create a false install/image that you can then boot and use check this link http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/user-doc.html
[05:18] <jhutchins> !find kiba-dock
[05:18] <ubotu> Package/file kiba-dock does not exist in edgy
[05:18] <cheesebo1> noiesmo it boots my ubuntu install
[05:19] <_chocobo> Hey i need help with FreeNX
[05:19] <dazza> jhutchins: user|account?
[05:19] <jhutchins> dazza: Anyway, try and point 'em at the bot pages if there's a question.
[05:20] <_chocobo> I followed all these steps and then i try to download it from repository but it says it can't find the package
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> !info FreeNX
[05:20] <ubotu> Package freenx does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:20] <dazza> jhutchins: will do :)
[05:20] <jhutchins> dazza: Standard shorthand for logical user OR account.  Putting it in brackets would have made it optional, and I'm too mentally lazy at this hour to remember the standard syntax for "mandatory choice".
[05:21] <jhutchins> !find FreeNX
[05:21] <ubotu> Package/file freenx does not exist in edgy
[05:21] <_chocobo> y!??!?!
[05:21] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: Find finds sub-files as well.
[05:22] <dazza> jhutchins: ah, i was mapping it to 'user OR account' in google
[05:22] <hitmanWilly> jhutchins, not fully up on bot syntax :)
[05:22] <_chocobo> How do i use freenx on edgy if there is none for edgy
[05:22] <jhutchins> _chocobo: http://freenx.berlios.de/
[05:22] <_chocobo> does that mean i have to use 2x or something
[05:22] <_chocobo> i already used that place
[05:22] <_chocobo> and it didn't work
[05:23] <jhutchins> Maybe frenx doesn't work yet.  Maybe that's why it's not a package.
[05:23] <KrAmMeR> is anyone good with setting up a dual monitor on their tv?
[05:23] <KrAmMeR> im using an ATI card
[05:23] <KrAmMeR> been trying this for hours
[05:23] <dazza> KrAmMeR: i had it working under breezy, but my conf doesn't work now
[05:23] <jhutchins> It's gnomish.
[05:23] <jhutchins> _chocobo: http://www.gnomeuser.org/documents/howto/nx.html
[05:23] <dazza> KrAmMeR: i will post the old conf anyway, hold up
[05:23] <KrAmMeR> ok thanks
[05:24] <jhutchins> !paste
[05:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:24] <jhutchins> Y'all have fun t'nght.
[05:25] <dazza> KrAmMeR: this uses a custom modeline for my 32" LCD tv. you should supply an appropriate modeline for your tv
[05:26] <dazza> if you don't and it breaks, i can't help you :)
[05:26] <dazza> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15477/
[05:26] <KrAmMeR> its ok i know how to go to the backup file if i mess something up
[05:26] <KrAmMeR> i've done it 3 times tonight lol
[05:26] <dazza> KrAmMeR: bad modelines can also damage your display
[05:27] <dazza> KrAmMeR:  ie your tv
[05:27] <KrAmMeR> oh..
[05:27] <KrAmMeR> ok
[05:30] <KrAmMeR> how do i make the modline?
[05:31] <KrAmMeR> or know what to put for mine
[05:31] <dazza> KrAmMeR: i found a modeline generator on the net somewhere
[05:31] <KrAmMeR> ok
[05:31] <cheesebo1>  any way to have quemu boot ata?
[05:31] <cheesebo1> qemu*
[05:31] <dazza> this is the one i used: http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[05:32] <dazza> KrAmMeR: get the horizontal and vertical refresh rates and plug them into that page
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> cheesebo1, just load in the device ie /dev/hda1,2
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> cheesebo1, that should work
[05:32] <dazza> cheesebo1: are you running qemu using sudo?
[05:33] <dazza> cheesebo1: even if you solve the 'can't access' problem you will have all sorts of dramas. windows won't like suddenly using new hardware
[05:33] <KrAmMeR> dazza: I still don't know how to get that information...
[05:33] <dazza> cheesebo1: you will have to reinstall drivers, then activation will crack up
[05:34] <dazza> KrAmMeR: it can be hard to find, i had to guess for my toshiba tv
[05:34] <KrAmMeR> i've got an older sony
[05:34] <dazza> KrAmMeR: but look at the manufacturers site, they will often have spec sheets up
[05:34] <KrAmMeR> ok i'll check i tout
[05:35] <dazza> google for 'refresh rate [tv_product_id] '
[05:35] <dazza> replacing [tv_product_id]  with eg 32Wl66a for mine
[05:36] <dazza> cheesebo1: even with the qemu kernel accelerator it will run fairly slow, you will get 1-2fps trying to play games
[05:36] <cheesebo1> fine w/o games
[05:37] <knicknic> kubuntu no longer opens the powermanagement utility, what is the name of it so I can open it
[05:37] <knicknic> btw there is no kmenu icon for the pwoermanagement utility
[05:39] <crazy_bus> is their anyway to view msreader .lit files in kubuntu?
[05:39] <flaccid> not that i know of
[05:39] <hitmanWilly> you could try googling it
[05:40] <knicknic> can someone please figure out the name of the powermanagement utility, I cant change my brightness without it, and its hurting my eyes
[05:40] <dazza> cheesebo1: you also need enough ram to run both operating systems
[05:41] <cheesebo1> 768mb enough?
[05:42] <dazza> cheesebo1: sufficient yeah
[05:42] <dazza> cheesebo1: but the biggest issue is how the guest OS will handle the sudden hardware change
[05:43] <KrAmMeR> i cant find any specs on my tv
[05:43] <KrAmMeR> lol
[05:43] <flaccid> it could be pbbuttons on ubuntu can't remember
[05:43] <KrAmMeR> Sony KV-20VM30
[05:43] <dazza> KrAmMeR: what size is it?
[05:43] <KrAmMeR> 20 inch
[05:43] <dazza> i found a tv similar to mine and just adjusted the ranges till it worked
[05:44] <dazza> after every time it breaks i looked in /var/log/X.0.org and tried to figure out why it wouldn't work
[05:44] <dazza> make that Xorg.0.log
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> knicknic, acpid is the daemon process
[05:45] <KrAmMeR> k
[05:45] <dazza> cheesebo1: to get around the permissions issue though, you need to figure out if you're using the right device, and if you are running as the super user
[05:45] <KrAmMeR> i hope they get better support for this in the future
[05:45] <bill> ok, I have a little problem
[05:45] <dazza> KrAmMeR: my 32" worked out of the box in feisty, which surprises me to no end heh
[05:45] <bill> last night, I was attempting to install a program to be able to format my corrupt CF card
[05:46] <knicknic> hitmanWilly: I found it its called the guidancepowermanagement system
[05:46] <bill> and someone told me to do this certain command
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> knicknic, ok kewl
[05:46] <KrAmMeR> hmm
[05:46] <bill> well, it eventually erased all of my packages
[05:46] <bill> I have like no programs on here
[05:46] <bill> how do I get them back?!?!?!
[05:46] <dazza> ls
[05:46] <dazza> oops...
[05:46] <KrAmMeR> i have this box configured pretty well now
[05:46] <KrAmMeR> except for the dual monitor
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> bill, install them all back?
[05:46] <bill> yeah
[05:47] <bill> it was some install update something something something command
[05:47] <bill> and it was taking a long time to update all of the files, so I left it for a while
[05:47] <dazza> KrAmMeR: nvidia or ati?
[05:47] <bill> well, after it updated a couple files, it them erases all but 13 packages
[05:47] <KrAmMeR> ati
[05:47] <KrAmMeR> i think thats part of my problem too
[05:47] <dazza> KrAmMeR: ahh in that case my config file will be useless to you :)
[05:47] <bill> all I have is what is running in RAM right now
[05:48] <KrAmMeR> yeh i saw ur using nvidia
[05:48] <dazza> KrAmMeR: you should search for howto's on 'ati twinview' probably
[05:48] <bill> I have the DVD, so is there a way for me to install everything the way it was?
[05:48] <dazza> can you get your tv working at all?
[05:48] <bill> I don't even have adept
[05:49] <bill> this all has to be in command prompt
[05:49] <bill> I really don't want to reinstall kubuntu :(
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> bill, backup your important files and reinstall
[05:49] <KrAmMeR> yeah I mean it comes up when its booting
[05:49] <KrAmMeR> goes on the tv
[05:49] <bill> lol
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> bill, that's probably the easiest way
[05:49] <KrAmMeR> but when it starts xorg
[05:49] <KrAmMeR> thats when it craps out
[05:49] <bill> well, there is a little problem
[05:49] <KrAmMeR> and gets all messed up
[05:49] <bill> I can't do like anything
[05:50] <bill> only things I have to work with are Opera, Konversation, and Konsole
[05:50] <bill> those were all erased too, but I already had them running before the erase
[05:50] <slestak_> bill: you can scp important files off to another box
[05:50] <bill> I don't have another box
[05:51] <slestak_> bill: in konsole try "which scp"
[05:51] <bill> all I have is my step dad's laptop, and he isnt even here
[05:51] <slestak_> do you have a usb stick?
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> bill, do you have a flash drive or anything?
[05:51] <bill> a 1 gig
[05:51] <bill> grrr
[05:51] <KrAmMeR> maybe i should try just cloning
[05:51] <bill> I just wish I didnt have to do this
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> bill, do you have a lot of imoportant stuff you can't lose?
[05:52] <slestak_> bill: how old and install? lots of stuff in home?
[05:52] <bill> well, how can I save all of my settings from the apps I already had installed?
[05:52] <dazza> KrAmMeR: i reckon nothing will work until you get the tv working by itself in X
[05:52] <bill> it's fairly new
[05:52] <bill> I just for the most part don't want to lose all of these settings I guess
[05:52] <bill> and I've done a lot on here so far
[05:53] <KrAmMeR> ok
[05:53] <slestak_> bill: I think .kde holds most kde settings.  i dont know if you v=can use it on a new install
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> bill, if it wiped all the packages, you may have lost some of that
[05:53] <dazza> bill: type this in the console: dpkg -l | wc -l
[05:53] <dazza> bill: this will tell you how many packages are still installed
[05:54] <bill> 856
[05:54] <slestak_> can he step through /var/log/dpkg and dpkg -i all the items that were just uninstalled?
[05:54] <slestak_> are the packages still in /var/apt/cache?
[05:55] <hitmanWilly> slestak_, didn't think of that, they probably are
[05:55] <dazza> 800+ seems about normal? perhaps the issue isn't missing packages but missing files?
[05:55] <bill> grrr
[05:55] <bill> well, it might not be packages exactly
[05:55] <bill> idk how to explain it
[05:55] <slestak_> /var/log/dpkg.log should show all of the packages removed
[05:56] <bill> let me send you part of the bash
[05:56] <dazza> bill: what's the output of apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop?
[05:57] <dazza> bill: please use the pastebin (see the channel topic) :)
[05:57] <bill> I know, I am
[05:57] <bill> lol, it would be a huge message if I didnt
[05:57] <dazza> bill: excellent :) too many people don't
[05:57] <hitmanWilly> i was all set to call the bot, too :(
[05:57] <slestak_> bill: no chance you have a backup?
[05:58] <dazza> hitmanWilly: sorry! :)
[05:58] <bill> lol, havent gotten around to it
[05:58] <bill> this box started out windows, I wanted linux
[05:58] <bill> so I created a partition and put ubuntu on it
[05:58] <bill> switched to kde
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> bill, many boxes start that way
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> unfortunately
[05:59] <bill> well, when I installed, since this was a shared computer, they only wanted me to have 5 gigs
[05:59] <dazza> bug #1...
[05:59] <slestak_> bill: i bought acronis true image, backs up win and linux great.  had to restore from it more than once.
[05:59] <bill> I used Kubuntu for about 4 months, and the space actually filled up
[05:59] <KrAmMeR> i might try this:
[05:59] <KrAmMeR> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773710
[06:00] <bill> to the point where the box froze, and then I could never log in again
[06:00] <dazza> KrAmMeR: that's fine for normal desktop use, you won't be able to use anything 3d accelerated though
[06:00] <bill> well, I tried repartitioning, we _naturally_ had a power outage during the partition, and everything except the windows partion were corrupted
[06:00] <cskj> does anyone know of a linux distro for smartphones?
[06:00] <bill> because I tried to make the linux part bigger
[06:00] <dazza> KrAmMeR: i'm fairly certain it can be done with the binary ATI drivers too
[06:01] <dazza> cskj: have a look at openmoko or qtopia
[06:01] <bill> so then a few weeks ago I installed Kubuntu again from some borrowed space from the windows partition....I just wish they would let me wipe the computer and put Kubuntu on....they never use it anyways
[06:01] <bill> ok, here is the bash shell during the deletion: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15481/
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> ok
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> im tired of doing this today
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> i'll try tomorrow
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> lol
[06:02] <dazza> bill: do you have the command that produced that output?
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> bill, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:02] <bill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15483/
[06:02] <dazza> KrAmMeR: i understand your frustration :) it took me ages to get mine working
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> when i have nothing better to do
[06:02] <cskj> dazza do you know how i could install these on my smartphone?
[06:02] <bill> that's the command you just told me to do
[06:02] <dazza> cskj: not a clue i'm afraid
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> yeh : P
[06:02] <bill> eh, lemme check
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> thats for the help
[06:03] <KrAmMeR> later
[06:03] <cskj> ok thanx anyway
[06:03] <KrAmMeR> thanks*
[06:03] <dazza> cskj: you could ask on their respective help sites
[06:03] <hitmanWilly> bill, it looks like kubuntu-desktop got removed
[06:03] <bill> hitmanWilly: Ive been trying that
[06:03] <bill> at least I think I was last night
[06:03] <bill> dazza: sudo apt-get -f install
[06:03] <dazza> hitmanWilly: kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, removing it won't cause its dependencies to be removed
[06:04] <flaccid> its just a meta-package so you can add it again
[06:04] <flaccid> yeah
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> dazza, if he ran autoremove after it would
[06:04] <flaccid> soz dazza
[06:04] <dazza> bill: what did you run previous to that? with apt-get
[06:05] <dazza> bill: and what happens when you try to run apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[06:05] <dazza> rather, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:06] <bill> I had tried sudo apt-get install kfloppy before that
[06:06] <bill> and it told me to run that command
[06:06] <bill> but I just told someone in here that it told me it had unmet dependencies
[06:06] <bill> and they told me to run that command off the top of their head
[06:07] <bill> dazza: here is the sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15484/
[06:08] <flaccid> bill: did you do an upgrade of ubuntu version recently or try one or anything?
[06:08] <cskj> ok
[06:08] <dazza> bill: ok there's a problem with dependencies, see where it says it depends on digikam? try sudo apt-get install digikam
[06:08] <bill> and we tried apt-get install to that digikam, but it has missing dependencies, and those have missing dependencies, etc
[06:08] <bill> lol ^^^
[06:08] <flaccid> bill?
[06:09] <dazza> bill: yes that's the issue :-/ eventually we will get to the one that's causing the problem
[06:09] <flaccid> i don't think you will actually
[06:09] <dazza> bill: and with any luck we can find an alternative
[06:09] <flaccid> i came up against this when i was doing dapper to edgy upgrade. i could not get past this.
[06:09] <flaccid> i had to jump another dist-upgrade to feisty
[06:10] <bill> well, I did _update_ everything a couple weeks back
[06:10] <dazza> flaccid: i've had it a few times with various distros. the fix usually depends on the exact problem
[06:10] <bill> but I didnt upgrade my version
[06:10] <flaccid> dazza: heh but what is the exact problem? in my case i was doing a stock standard upgrade and it failed.
[06:10] <flaccid> bill: what version of ubuntu are you on and what sources do you have in sources.list
[06:10] <dazza> bill: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:11] <hitmanWilly> bill, try a full upgrade before you install kubuntu-desktop
[06:11] <cskj> is Mizi a good smartphone distro?
[06:11] <flaccid> defne full upgrade
[06:11] <flaccid> define
[06:11] <dazza> flaccid: usually it's something on the lines of 'package x depends on package y version 1.1 but version 1.2 is installed' or something similar
[06:11] <flaccid> cskj: this is #kubuntu
[06:11] <hitmanWilly> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[06:11] <flaccid> dazza: its not that situation..
[06:12] <dazza> flaccid: it looks like it might be
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> it might be an out of date lib
[06:12] <bill> lol
[06:12] <bill> which perosn do I choose?
[06:12] <flaccid> i doubt it
[06:12] <flaccid> it says Some packages could not be installed. and does not say why
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> i wouldn't hurt, tho
[06:12] <bill> I am running 6.10 Ubuntu with 3.5.5 KDE
[06:12] <dazza> don't upgrade to a new version! that action is irreversible and might not solve the issue anyway
[06:12] <flaccid> the info at the end is just an artifact..
[06:12] <dazza> flaccid: it's a dependency tree that's failing
[06:12] <flaccid> bill: and the sources.list?
[06:13] <flaccid> dazza: no its not
[06:13] <flaccid> not necessarily
[06:13] <dazza> flaccid: if you find out why digikam is not installed it will be because some other package can't be installed
[06:13] <flaccid> if it was it would be a dif error
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> could be a messed up sources.list too
[06:13] <bill> how do I get to the sources.list in Konsole and open it
[06:13] <flaccid> not necessarily
[06:13] <slestak_> hitmanWilly: flaccid is saying to do an upograde, not _dist-upgrade_
[06:13] <bill> and view it within konsole
[06:13] <flaccid> i spent a very long time analysing this when i came up against it
[06:13] <dazza> flaccid: broken dependencies are the only thing that can cause this kind of issue
[06:14] <flaccid> no its not
[06:14] <flaccid> and if its just deps
[06:14] <flaccid> then how do you solve it?
[06:14] <dazza> bill: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:14] <dazza> flaccid: depends on why the dep is failing
[06:14] <flaccid> you try to solve digikam, it will suggest another needed dep and that will go on for a long time..
[06:15] <flaccid> if a dep is failing it should show that, not freak out and provide an artifact
[06:15] <dazza> flaccid: yes it will go on for a long time, but it will stop eventually and when it does you will find the issue
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> dependency hell...
[06:15] <flaccid> dazza: no you wont lol. it didn't for me
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> thought i left this behind with fedora
[06:15] <dazza> flaccid: it should yes! but unfortunately it doesn't. following the tree down is the only way i know of to find the problem
[06:15] <dazza> flaccid: it has for me several times
[06:16] <flaccid> dazza: but was that with this same error of an 'impossible situation' ?
[06:16] <bill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15485/
[06:16] <dazza> flaccid: once you know what package is causing the issue you can try eg using a package from a different version/distro
[06:16] <flaccid> yes once you know which package
[06:16] <dazza> flaccid: yes. the 'impossible situation' is just a generic error for any problem with the graph traversal
[06:16] <flaccid> which i couldn't get it.. give it a go with bill see how far you go
[06:17] <cskj> ccan anyone tell me of a good non java p2p application?
[06:17] <flaccid> well simple unmet dependency issues do not return the 'impossible situation' error.
[06:17] <dazza> flaccid: then what does it return?
[06:17] <hitmanWilly> if he could get adept up and running, it should show him where it's breaking
[06:18] <dazza> hitmanWilly: good idea
[06:18] <flaccid> usually just unmet dependencies or another error, i can't remember, but it doesn't not say impossible situation and provide an artifact
[06:18] <dazza> bill: try running: kdesu adept
[06:18] <bill> ok, I'll give it a whirl then
[06:18] <bill> do I use sudo apt-get or sudo apt-get install
[06:19] <flaccid> if you guys can fix this one, i'd love to see what you end up doing :)
[06:19] <dazza> bill: sudo apt-get install adept
[06:19] <bill> bash: /usr/bin/kdesu: No such file or directory
[06:19] <dazza> bill: of course, silly me :) try the last one i gave you
[06:20] <hitmanWilly> bill, try sudo apt-get install kde
[06:20] <dazza> the metapackages kde and kubuntu-desktop are massive and likely to fail
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> yeah, probably right
[06:21] <darryl> anyone here from the UK?
[06:21] <dazza> perhaps installing the major components like kde-core, kdenetwork etc should work
[06:21] <flaccid> they should'nt fail lol
[06:21] <flaccid> sudo apt-get install kde-minimal
[06:21] <flaccid> or kde-base
[06:21] <pranav> I need to get codecs to my newly installed kubuntu
[06:21] <pranav> how do I do It
[06:22] <flaccid> !codecs > pranav
[06:22] <pranav> codecs
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> maybe qt4 is the problem?
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> i didn't see that removed in the paste
[06:23] <dazza> bill: try sudo apt-get install kdebase kdenetwork kdeadmin kdepim
[06:23] <flaccid> try installing base first ony
[06:23] <dazza> hitmanWilly: it has to be something that digikam depends on that other kde stuff doesn't
[06:23] <bill> well
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> does the new kde depend on qt4?
[06:24] <bill> I tried kde, kde-minimal, kde-base, and all of the ones you told me to
[06:24] <dazza> hitmanWilly: kde4 does, any kde3 does not
[06:24] <bill> and it just tells me it couldnt find the package
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> hmmm
[06:24] <dazza> bill: try just: sudo apt-get install kdebase
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> that's a sources problem
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> maybe
[06:24] <dazza> his sources.list looks good to me
[06:25] <dazza> there is no kde-base though, it's kdebase
[06:25] <guiment> will we get the feisty release candidate this weekend?
[06:25] <hitmanWilly> ahh, that's right, just tested it out
[06:26] <bill> lol
[06:26] <bill> thank you
[06:26] <hitmanWilly> guiment, the 19th
[06:26] <bill> I was just about to wipe this box
[06:26] <bill> and that went through
[06:26] <bill> it's getting the base files
[06:26] <dazza> bill: you will still be missing lots of apps
[06:26] <hitmanWilly> kdesu should be there tho
[06:27] <dazza> bill: one at a time you will need to install kdenetwork, kdeadmin, kdegraphics...
[06:27] <bill> but its a start
[06:27] <dazza> hitmanWilly: hmm good point
[06:27] <dazza> kdesu isn't a package, i don't know where it is included
[06:27] <dazza> my guess would be in kdeadmin though
[06:28] <guiment> hitmanWilly: it has been delayed
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> guiment, really? anything to do with todays kernel issues?
[06:28] <dazza> i'm glad, i think there's a few too many issues still
[06:29] <dazza> bill: it will be interesting to see if your settings are preserved :) i think they should be though
[06:29] <bill> I hope so
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> unless it wiped out his .kde direc
[06:29] <pranav> please help me update kaffene
[06:29] <guiment> hitmanWilly: some kernel problems, yes, not sure if today's or only the ones reported yesterday
[06:29] <pranav> !!
[06:29] <bill> I have all of my mail servers set up, my personal server and webserver connections set up
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> !dvd | pranav
[06:29] <ubotu> pranav: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:29] <dazza> apt doesn't usually touch config directories, unless you use dpkg --purge
[06:29] <bill> nah, I ls'd my directory and .kde was there
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> bill, first good news all night
[06:30] <pranav> !mp3
[06:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:30] <pranav> !avi
[06:30] <pranav> ??
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> pranav install the ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> pranav, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:31] <bill> oh I know
[06:31] <bill> I think the best part is that I'm learning more and more about linux
[06:31] <bill> ^_^
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> pranav, thats flash, java, mp3, all that good stuff
[06:32] <pranav> E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:32] <pranav> this is what i get
[06:32] <pranav> hitmanWilly: help
[06:32] <dazza> !repositories | pranav
[06:32] <ubotu> pranav: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> pranav, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:32] <pranav> and then
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> pranav, delete the  # mark in front of every line that starts with deb and save it
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> pranav, then sudo apt-get update
[06:34] <dazza> bill: you're learning an awful lot about dependency hell :)
[06:34] <pranav> hitmanWilly: I have done it in the begining
[06:34] <pranav> hitmanWilly: I mean earlier
[06:35] <hitmanWilly> pranav, so all your repos are enabled?
[06:35] <pranav> yes they are
[06:35] <bill> http://billstechhelp.com/paste.txt since pastebin is being stupid
[06:35] <bill> add a 1 to the end of the word paste
[06:36] <dazza> bill: broken link
[06:36] <dazza> 404 not found
[06:36] <bill> http://billstechhelp.com/paste1.txt
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> pranav: open adept (add/remove programs in the menu)
[06:37] <dazza> bill: ahh :)
[06:37] <hitmanWilly> bill, rpm distros are worse, trust me :)
[06:37] <dazza> bill: looks like that worked. try sudo apt-get install adept
[06:38] <bill> k
[06:38] <bill> lol, pastebin wouldn't work, so I just made a text file on ma server
[06:38] <hitmanWilly> pranav, make sure unsupported and proprietary software are checked
[06:39] <pranav> hitmanWilly: please check this http://pastebin.ca/439302
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> pranav, you use dapper? maybe theose codecs aren't enabled for that distro
[06:40] <pranav> oh shall I disable it
[06:40] <dazza> perhaps that package doesn't exist in dapper
[06:41] <dazza> pranav: you could consider upgrading to edgy
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> don't know much about 6.06, any experts in here?
[06:42] <pranav> get me the ftp please
[06:42] <hitmanWilly> !upgrade | pranav
[06:42] <ubotu> pranav: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[06:42] <bill> ok, adept is installed
[06:42] <hitmanWilly> pranav, all the instructions should be there
[06:43] <pranav> ok
[06:43] <dazza> hitmanWilly: i jumped from 5.10 to 7.04 :)
[06:43] <hitmanWilly> dazza, sounds like fun :)
[06:44] <hitmanWilly> dazza, how'd you do it, just change sources.list and dist-upgrade?
[06:45] <os2mac> is there a kde app to configure startup programs?
[06:45] <dazza> hitmanWilly: in my case i re-installed. changing sources.list and dist-upgrade should work for single version changes though
[06:45] <bill> now that adept is installed, what do I need to d now?
[06:45] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, just link whatever you want to start into ~/.kde/Autostart/
[06:46] <hitmanWilly> bill sudo adept_installer
[06:47] <Ahmuck> something teriblly wrong went with X.  how do i configure x?
[06:47] <hitmanWilly> !xorg
[06:47] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:48] <hitmanWilly> !xorg | Ahmuck
[06:48] <ubotu> Ahmuck: please see above
[06:48] <dazza> bill: try kdesu adept
[06:48] <dazza> bill: if that doesn't work try sudo apt-get install kdeadmin
[06:48] <dazza> and then try kdesu adept again
[06:48] <hitmanWilly> will adept even install w/out kdesu?
[06:49] <hitmanWilly> i think its a dependency
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> also, adept itself isn't a cmd
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> its either adept_installer or adept_updater
[06:51] <dazza> ahh, right
[06:51] <dazza> sudo adept_installer might not work, it should be kdesu adept_installer
[06:51] <hitmanWilly> dazza, just checked it, it works
[06:52] <hitmanWilly> dazza, in console anyway
[06:52] <hitmanWilly> konsole
[06:52] <bill> ok, I ran hitmanWilly's command, and I have adept working
[06:52] <dazza> from what that guy was saying earlier it can do strange things with programs
[06:52] <bill> however, I could've just clicked on it in the KMenu :P
[06:52] <dazza> try installing kubuntu-desktop again
[06:52] <dazza> with adept
[06:52] <dazza> we're hoping adept will tell us what packages are screwing everything up
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> dazza, i don't think adept has kubuntu-desktop
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> might have to try digikam
[06:53] <dazza> hitmanWilly: adept is just a front-end to the dpkg databasE?
[06:53] <dazza> man, feisty has new updates like every 2hours
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> yes, but it doesn't always list everything, which is why i often use synaptic
[06:54] <dazza> really? i wonder why that is
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> dazza, just downloaded a 40 mb one :)
[06:54] <dazza> i always use apt-get so i have no clue about adept
[06:54] <lance> is this a good place to ask questions about running world of warcraft??
[06:54] <dazza> hitmanWilly: i probably have the same waiting for me
[06:54] <dazza> lance: probably try #wine for the best response
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> adept is just a dumbed down synaptic which is a dumbed down apt
[06:54] <lance> thanks
[06:55] <bill> well, all that adept lets me do is install a few listed apps
[06:55] <dazza> which is a dumbed down dpkg? :p
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> bill, try digikam
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> dazza, true :)
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> dazza, with repo support
[06:56] <dazza> and dependency resolution
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> wget'ing gets old after awhile :p
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> honestly, apt is the main reason i came over to the debian side
[06:56] <dazza> tell me about it, that's why i jumped from mandrake 8.2 to debian woody :)
[06:56] <soulrider> woohoo, my classmate was just here. You can add one to the kubuntu user count :)
[06:57] <dazza> soulrider: well done :)
[06:57] <dazza> soulrider: what did he switch from?
[06:57] <soulrider> dazza: its late now, but tomorrow ill be installing kubuntu on my dads PC
[06:57] <bill> digikam installation just tells me it had errors
[06:57] <hitmanWilly> former fedora and slack user myself
[06:57] <dazza> hitmanWilly: 83MB update
[06:57] <soulrider> dazza: guess! :P
[06:57] <soulrider> he was a win user :P
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> dazza, at least you missed the kernel fiasco this morning
[06:58] <dazza> i gave slack a bash, it was usable with slapt-get :)
[06:58] <dazza> what was that about?
[06:58] <soulrider> i dont really use kubuntu too much myself, but its great for starters
[06:58] <dazza> and this morning in which time zone :)
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> cdt us
[06:59] <hitmanWilly> i guess the 2.6.20-14 was breaking peoples machines
[06:59] <dazza> uname -r: 2.6.20-14-generic :)
[06:59] <soulrider> im using Arch, we get tons of kernel updates
[06:59] <hitmanWilly> i missed it just because i didn't update until they took down the link
[06:59] <slackware_> hi
[07:00] <dazza> seems ok to me!
[07:00] <hitmanWilly> got all kinds of 403 forbidden errors, eventually just purged it
[07:00] <hitmanWilly> its working now
[07:00] <dazza> slackware_: hi...
[07:00] <hitmanWilly> notice the image is 2.6.20-15
[07:00] <dazza> not on my box it isn't
[07:00] <slackware_> how are you dazza?
[07:00] <dazza> slackware_: hungry :)
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> dazza, home rolled kernel?
[07:01] <dazza> hitmanWilly: nope, straight from the repos
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> dazza, edgy?
[07:01] <khaije1> dazza:  campbell's tomato rice soup ftw!
[07:01] <jtt> hitmanWilly: what repo are u getting 20-15 from
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> dazza, nevermind
[07:01] <pranav> hi
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> just the normal feisty ones
[07:01] <dazza> hitmanWilly: no feisty
[07:02] <pranav> hitmanWilly: I still have a problem in the codecs
[07:02] <jtt> hitmanWilly: can you be a little more specific i want to check mine against yours
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> pranav, did you upgrade to edgy?
[07:02] <dazza> hitmanWilly: us?
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> dazza, yeah
[07:03] <dazza> ahhhhhhh 20-15 is downloading now
[07:03] <pranav> I did
[07:03] <hitmanWilly> pranav, just install the ubuntu-restriced-extras then
[07:03] <hitmanWilly> pranav, should work fine
[07:03] <hitmanWilly> dazza, told ya :)
[07:04] <pranav> it gives the same old thing --package doesen' t exist!!
[07:04] <hitmanWilly> pranav, you may have to reconfigure your sources.list again
[07:04] <pranav> oh ok
[07:05] <dazza> hitmanWilly: that you did :)
[07:05] <hitmanWilly> pranav, mine won't work for you, unfortunately
[07:06] <dazza> hitmanWilly: tried beryl?
[07:06] <hitmanWilly> dazza, running it now
[07:06] <dazza> hitmanWilly: did you lose your window manager?
[07:06] <hitmanWilly> dazza, makes aero look like windows 3.1
[07:07] <hitmanWilly> dazza, oh, the titlebars not popping up
[07:07] <dazza> hitmanWilly: yep, that happened to me too
[07:07] <hitmanWilly> dazza, i had that prob, can't remember the fix, tho
[07:07] <dazza> hitmanWilly: i also managed to kill X when i tried to run an opengl game windowed :)
[07:07] <hitmanWilly> dazza, heh
[07:08] <dazza> hitmanWilly: could it have been kwin --replace ?
[07:08] <hitmanWilly> dazza, no, beryl uses its own manager called emerald
[07:08] <dazza> hitmanWilly: hmm, ps aux showed me that emerald was running, but i still had no window decorations
[07:09] <hitmanWilly> dazza, there's a kde compatiblity package you have to install, if i remember right
[07:09] <hitmanWilly> dazza, hold on a sec...
[07:09] <tahlvin> How do I change the output options?
[07:10] <hitmanWilly> dazza: try installing aquamarine
[07:10] <dazza> libberylsettings0-kconfig?
[07:10] <hitmanWilly> dazza, then restarting beryl
[07:10] <dazza> hitmanWilly: thanks :) i'll do it once this update finishes :-/ damn 512k adsl
[07:10] <hitmanWilly> dazza, and beryl-kubuntu
[07:11] <dazza> hitmanWilly: there's no beryl-kubuntu
[07:11] <tahlvin> How would one go about switching the output ofone's compy to RCA.
[07:11] <hitmanWilly> dazza, yes there is
[07:11] <hitmanWilly> dazza, try it, trust me
[07:11] <dazza> i have
[07:11] <dazza> didn't work
[07:12] <dazza> W: Unable to locate package beryl-kubuntu
[07:12] <Ahmuck> well, i was able to get my video reconfigured, however, when i try to login with kubuntu, it loops back to the login prompt
[07:12] <hitmanWilly> dazza, just ran apt and it shows up on mine
[07:12] <dirgedoll> hello room
[07:12] <dazza> this is with universe/multiverse enabled
[07:12] <dAPPPER> I want to install Kubuntu on an OEM vista notebook, if I use the partition resizer in Vista to make unallocated space....will Vista plat with Kubuntu, or will my Vista partition not boot?
[07:13] <dAPPPER> play*
[07:13] <dazza> and: deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org feisty main
[07:13] <hitmanWilly> dazza, no 3rd party stuff either
[07:13] <Ahmuck> any idea what i need to change to login to kubuntu ?
[07:14] <dazza> dAPPPER: there's no guarantees, you should back up. but i don't see why kubuntu would affect vista
[07:14] <dazza> dAPPPER: it certainly works with XP
[07:14] <dAPPPER> I read stories of Vista not booting...just hangs as the loading screen
[07:14] <dAPPPER> at*
[07:14] <dazza> dAPPPER: link?
[07:14] <hitmanWilly> dazza, might be new, try it after the update
[07:15] <dazza> hitmanWilly: ok will do. i just changed my sources.list to another source as well, hopefully a more up to date one
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> dazza, ok, kewl
[07:15] <cskj> hi...how do i create rpms from tar.bz2 files?
[07:15] <bill> ok, now I have another problems
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> ugh, rpm
[07:15] <bill> but you guys wouldnt know how to fix it
[07:15] <bill> :P
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> bill: shoot
[07:15] <dazza> cskj: are you packaging it for distribution? or just for your own use?
[07:16] <vit_> hola
[07:16] <cskj> no for my own use
[07:16] <bill> hitmanWilly: Girls. :P
[07:16] <dazza> cskj: there's no program to 'build' usable rpm packages from tarballs
[07:16] <cskj> hmmm
[07:16] <vit_> gay'sssssssssssss
[07:16] <hitmanWilly> bill, nevermind, man woman returned a fatal error
[07:16] <Ahmuck> any idea why kubuntu loops at the login prompt and brings me back to the login prompt but does not start the desktop?
[07:16] <cskj> is there not way of using konsole to do so?
[07:16] <bill> lmfao
[07:16] <hitmanWilly> lol
[07:16] <dazza> cskj: you need to find a prebuilt rpm for your purpose or use the tarball according to the instructions in it
[07:16] <dirgedoll> I can help you with girls
[07:16] <dirgedoll> hehehe
[07:16] <cskj> ohh ok
[07:16] <vit_> maricas
[07:16] <cskj> :(
[07:16] <dazza> bill: avoid them :p
[07:17] <bill> Ahmuck: My box did that when my partition ran out of space. :P
[07:17] <vit_> gayssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[07:17] <Ahmuck> 300G
[07:17] <dAPPPER> http://apcmag.com/5046/how_to_dual_boot_vista_with_linux_vista_installed_first        about vista and linux
[07:17] <Ahmuck> !kdm
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:17] <dirgedoll> girls are like windows just keep rebooting, you will eventually get the program to work
[07:17] <Ahmuck> !logon
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about logon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:17] <Ahmuck> !login
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about login - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:17] <Ahmuck> ubotu: u r about useless this evening
[07:17] <dAPPPER> towards the bottom there are comments
[07:18] <dazza> dirgedoll: are you supposed to reboot the girl or the guy?
[07:18] <dirgedoll> LOL. both
[07:18] <dirgedoll> women more likely though
[07:19] <dirgedoll> we're more evil
[07:19] <dirgedoll> like Windows. I am having to depreogram myself everyday
[07:20] <dAPPPER> dazza?
[07:20] <dazza> dAPPPER: just checked the link. there are success and failure reports
[07:20] <dirgedoll> this room has been really helpful in getting things to work I will say that
[07:21] <dirgedoll> when will the next version be released?
[07:21] <dazza> dAPPPER: the more similar your situation is to that scenario the more likely it is to work - but you should backup regardless before you touch /any/ partition manager
[07:21] <mzanfardino> I'm looking to convert a video formated for PAL into NTSC.  Is there a utilty to do this?
[07:21] <dazza> dirgedoll: 'more evil' hey? DRM installed by default? :p
[07:21] <dirgedoll> LOL
[07:22] <dazza> dirgedoll: the original release date was about the 26th i think but i believe it's been pushed back
[07:22] <hitmanWilly> ERROR /boot/woman fails sanity check
[07:22] <hitmanWilly> lol
[07:23] <dirgedoll> AH. I just upgraded from 6.06 like 2 days ago. Heh
[07:23] <dirgedoll> lol
[07:23] <dirgedoll> that would be a good thing to have.  it would save so much time and agony
[07:23] <dazza> dirgedoll: you won't have much time to enjoy edgy then methinks :)
[07:23] <dAPPPER> I'm gonna try it out, thanks
[07:23] <hitmanWilly> at least it wasn't a kernel panic like in gentoo
[07:23] <hitmanWilly> :)
[07:23] <dirgedoll> yeah I don't either.  I am enjoying it though.
[07:24] <dazza> i never got to, edgy wouldn't boot on my comp :-/
[07:24] <dirgedoll> :/
[07:24] <hitmanWilly> dazza, but feisty will, hmmm
[07:25] <dazza> hitmanWilly: it will now i upgraded my pc yes :)
[07:25] <hitmanWilly> heh
[07:25] <dirgedoll> hehe
[07:25] <dazza> hitmanWilly: before the live CD would boot but none of my hardware would work (no network/sound/hard drives/...)
[07:25] <hitmanWilly> dazza, offbeat stuff?
[07:26] <dazza> hitmanWilly: my mobo was junk, kernels >2.6.12 wouldn't work on it regardless of the distro
[07:26] <hitmanWilly> dazza, i build my own so i know exactly what to enable in the kernel
[07:26] <hitmanWilly> dazza, i have a lot of time on my hands
[07:26] <hitmanWilly> :)
[07:26] <dazza> hitmanWilly: i don't :( i go with prebuilt unless i have a good reason to do otherwise
[07:27] <dazza> hitmanWilly: have you tried the vserver patches on feisty? i'm keen to look at that, i built this box with VMs in mind
[07:27] <hitmanWilly> dazza, i don't like VMs myself
[07:27] <dazza> hitmanWilly: no? they're incredibly useful
[07:27] <hitmanWilly> dazza, don't really know anything about them
[07:27] <dirgedoll> I don't either
[07:27] <dazza> hitmanWilly: i admin a half dozen of them at work
[07:28] <hitmanWilly> dazza, well, i do have a winblows box for any cross platform stuff i want to do
[07:28] <dirgedoll> I admit I have one too
[07:28] <dazza> hitmanWilly: all the vm's are some variant of linux, so is the main host machine
[07:28] <hitmanWilly> dazza, plus there's a couple of apps i can't quite divorce myself from
[07:29] <dazza> hitmanWilly: which ones?
[07:29] <dirgedoll> and one with no ops system. the mounted fan was pulled off by a 3 year old
[07:29] <hitmanWilly> poser
[07:29] <dazza> ah yess
[07:29] <hitmanWilly> ever try a large render in a vm?
[07:29] <dazza> dirgedoll: the cpu fan?
[07:29] <dirgedoll> yes
[07:29] <hitmanWilly> fun times, that
[07:30] <dirgedoll> i just just tack it back on with some silicone cant i?
[07:30] <dazza> vms shouldn't affect render time, it's mainly heavy I/O that's slow not CPU usage
[07:30] <hitmanWilly> if they put poser on nix, i'd never look back
[07:30] <hitmanWilly> but vista will never touch my box
[07:31] <hitmanWilly> ever
[07:31] <dazza> dirgedoll: if it's only the fan that came off it should screw right back on to the heatsink. if the heatsink came off as well then yeah u can use some arctic silver or something and clip it back on
[07:31] <khaije1> !release
[07:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:31] <dazza> hitmanWilly: if i have my way vista will never touch any box i have any control over
[07:31] <dazza> L)
[07:32] <hitmanWilly> ditto on that
[07:32] <khaije1> hmm the info there is old, what is kubuntu 7.04 released?
[07:33] <hitmanWilly> it was the 19th, but i hear it got pushed back
[07:33] <dirgedoll> he broke the entire fan and bracket mounts off, I have to tilt the box to get it to work
[07:34] <khaije1> k thx hitmanWilly
[07:34] <hitmanWilly> np
[07:34] <dirgedoll> sucky thing is is that it's faster than this one
[07:35] <dirgedoll> I wont put Vista or touch a Vista machine either
[07:35] <flaccid> !feisty
[07:35] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[07:35] <flaccid> hmm
[07:35] <flaccid> any date?
[07:36] <hitmanWilly> something about semi-annual "let's make sure you're not a software pirate" checks and the deliberate crippling of hardware just turns me off
[07:36] <dazza_afk> !schedule
[07:36] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:37] <dirgedoll> ok guys I'm off ttyl
[07:37] <Taladan> There can be only one, highlander!
[07:37] <flaccid> still quite a bit of work left it seems
[07:38] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, the kernel issues seem to indicate that
[07:38] <Taladan> what's the new one gonna be, gutsy gonad or something like that? ;P
[07:38] <flaccid> this is what looks promising https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/auto-dist-upgrade-testing
[07:38] <flaccid> gobbling gerkin actuallly
[07:39] <hitmanWilly> geriatric gnu?
[07:39] <dazza_afk> i like gobbling gonads myself
[07:39] <Taladan> glamorous groundhog?
[07:39] <Taladan> dazza_afk: tmi, tbh.