[12:23] <tvo> Riddell: you interested in a chat I had on #bksys about rpath?
[12:23] <Riddell> tvo: sure
[12:26] <tvo> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SF0xLb84.html  didn't get the formatting right though
[12:29] <tvo> btw, should I gpg sign my package?
[12:30] <Riddell> tvo: yeah sign it is good practice
[12:31] <Riddell> I should look into what rpath is :)
[12:31] <tvo> k have to set up some keys and look into that too :)
[12:31] <tvo> you read the chat?
[12:31] <Riddell> yes, interesting chat
[12:32] <tvo> so, either I'm going to release the tarball with rpath and the debian packages without,
[12:32] <tvo> or I find some better info :)
[12:35] <Riddell> tvo: the .orig should be the same in both cases
[12:36] <tvo> yeah in that case the removal of rpath would go in the diff
[12:36] <Riddell> yep
[12:36] <Riddell> or better in debian/patches/foo.diff
[12:38] <uniq> http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?RpathIssue
[12:39] <Mez> Riddell, things are looking good for us!
[12:39] <Riddell> 23:39 [freenode2]  -!- Cannot join to channel #katapult (You have joined to too many channels)
[12:40] <Mez> *giggles*
[12:40] <Mez> lmao
[12:40] <Mez> how many channels you on ?
[12:40] <Riddell> 20 is the limit
[12:40] <Mez> you're on 20 channels?
[12:40] <Mez> what channels? I only see a few
[12:40] <Mez> * [Riddell]  #ubuntu #ubuntu-motu #ubuntu-meeting #kubuntu #ubuntu-devel #kubuntu-devel
[12:41] <tvo> uniq: thanks, reading it now
[12:42] <uniq> i can't do anything now that the shiny new xorg removed my xkb rules.
[12:53] <tvo> 62,400 rpath issues on google :)
[12:56] <tvo> anyway, there doesn't seem to be a right track: ~150,000 (add OR enable) rpath, almost same number (remove OR erase) rpath
[12:56] <tvo> :-/
[12:56] <tvo> slightly more add rpath than remove rpath though
[12:57] <tvo> sometimes people fix things by adding rpath, sometimes by removing it :-/
[12:57] <tvo> :-s
[12:58] <uniq> rpath is disabled in the kde packages.
[01:01] <tvo> hmm, debian upstream seems to prefer rpath disabled it seems
[01:02] <tvo> seems I'll go for no rpath for now....
[01:07] <Mez> Riddell: whenever I use "save session" It'll never ghet a copy of thunderbird to load on login... any ideas why?
[01:07] <Riddell> Mez: because it isn't kde
[01:08] <Mez> ...?
[01:08] <Mez> FF stays loaded, so does gaim :D
[01:19] <tvo> Riddell: how large is kubuntu, you can answer in #kubuntu :D
[01:19] <katoc> hi there!!
[01:19] <uniq> ah.. found a bunch of old xorg debs :)
[01:19] <uniq> now my keyboard works.. @ and all.
[01:19] <uniq> hi katoc.
[01:19] <katoc> have you modify a kubuntu install cd
[01:20] <katoc> ?
[01:20] <uniq> I have not.
[01:22] <uniq> i suggest asking in #ubuntu-devel about modifying cds.
[01:23] <tvo> laterzz, i'm off to bed..
[01:23] <katoc> uniq, 10x
[01:24] <uniq> gnite tvo.
[01:26] <fromoze> Riddell: New record on #kubuntu-es: now 8 users and at least 12 different has come in along the day.
[01:27] <Riddell> fromoze: cool, maybe people do read the website :)
[01:27] <fromoze> Riddell: And I've introduce on barrapunto.org (spanish slashdot) a notice on my user blog asking for StR. I get an answer saying "I'm StR, but I've forgot my password"... I dunno, the answer arrive too quick, less 10 minuts
[01:30] <uniq> freenode staff will remove him for you.. 6 weeks since last login..
[01:30] <fromoze> but he's whon registered the channel :/
[01:31] <Riddell> I asked madkiss earlier, no reply
[01:32] <uniq> ok.
[01:32] <pef> good night !
[01:32] <uniq> nite pef.
[01:33] <uniq> riddell: did you make a oo.o vs koffice spec for breezy?
[01:33] <Riddell> uniq: nope, writers block
[01:33] <uniq> ok.
[01:34] <Riddell> maybe I should do that now
[01:34] <Riddell> poke me and I'll do it
[01:34] <Riddell> otherwise I'll go to bed
[01:34] <uniq> i can list a few pro/cons if you need help to get started.
[01:36] <uniq> or i could go to bed too.. and we can do it all tomorrow or later.
[01:41] <uniq> let's do it later. I'll have to be up 0900 tomorro.. that's in 6 hours. time flies.
[01:41] <uniq> gnite.
[01:42] <Mez> do it :d
[01:43] <Mez> Kugar = grat
[01:43] <Mez> great
[01:44] <Mez> o_O
[01:44] <Mez> kivio ?
[01:44] <uniq> the only problem with koffice is the random crashing.. and the ms office support.
[01:44] <Mez> shouldnt that be "umbrello"
[01:44] <Mez> I dont get the random crashing
[01:45] <Mez> MSO support sux thogh
[01:45] <Riddell> it's always crashed randomly for me
[01:45] <Riddell> kivio was terrible last I tried (which was years ago)
[01:45] <Riddell> Mez: and nobody knows what the heck Kugar does
[01:46] <Mez> Riddell - it's a bit like crystal reports :D
[01:46] <Mez> lol
[01:46] <Mez> I've used it before
[01:46] <Mez> and kexi
[01:46] <uniq> kexi and krita are nice.
[01:46] <uniq> i have more problems with kword and kpresenter.
[01:47] <uniq> me neither at the moment.
[01:47] <Riddell> kexi is in universe, if someone wants test out the mdb driver and check that it's packaging is good that would be nice
[01:47] <Mez> then whats the point of jugar ?
[01:47] <Mez> (am using hoary)
[01:47] <Mez> if there's no kexi
[01:47] <Mez> kugar = no point
[01:48] <Riddell> Mez: kugar has been around a lot lot longer than kexi
[01:48] <Mez> I thought kugar was a report thing for DBs though....
[01:49] <Riddell> not just DBs
[01:49] <Riddell> but it was pretty useless
[01:49] <Mez> I thought it was for DBs
[01:49] <Riddell> well for any structured data I guess
[01:49] <Mez> therfore in Koffice - kugar without kexi =- poop
[01:50] <Riddell> which is why its existance causes confusion
[01:50] <Mez> ooh, I got a copy of the katapult icon
[01:50] <Riddell> it was written by theKompany, I guess they had some need for it
[01:50] <Riddell> Mez: let's see
[01:51] <Mez> funky...
[01:51] <Mez> weird but funky
[01:53] <Riddell> have you seen oo.o2?  the buttons don't even fit on the toolbar
[01:53] <Riddell> not at 1024 anyway
[01:53] <uniq> haven't tested oo.o2 much.
[01:54] <uniq> tried to use the first build for hoary. it crashed opening it's own files so i gave up.
[01:55] <uniq> nice.. new splash
[01:56] <uniq> hey, oo.o2 looks nice.
[01:56] <uniq> almost kde-ish.
[01:56] <Riddell> uniq: do the fonts look half decent?  do the buttons fit on the bar?
[01:56] <Mez> still uploading, my comp'#s being a bitch
[01:58] <Mez> oh, for f**k sake
[02:00] <Mez> Riddell: they're up it's just my CMS is ebing a btich abiout them
[02:00] <Mez> I'm using fish:/
[02:00] <Mez> :P
[02:05] <Riddell> uniq: tried using fish:/ or sftp:/ with openoffice?  only half works
[02:05] <Riddell> yeah, the buttons don't fit.  how braindead is that?
[02:05] <uniq> it's better than a crashing koffice imho.
[02:06] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/stuff/12/katapult-icons
[02:06] <Riddell> I know I know
[02:07] <Mez> the second one makes me think
[02:07] <Mez> "nananananananananananananananananananananananana"
[02:07] <Mez> "BATMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
[02:08] <Riddell> weird
[02:08] <Mez> what do you think?
[02:09] <Riddell> not sure any of them would look good at 22x22, too detailed
[02:10] <Mez> hence the iddly ones :d
[02:11] <Riddell> but but... what the heck is it?
[02:11] <Mez> thats what I was about to say
[02:11] <seth_k> Riddell++, my thought exactly
[02:12] <Riddell> oh well, it's not like we'll have the icon showing at all
[02:19] <Mez> ol
[02:19] <Mez> I'll email him back saying 2we don't think it'll scaletoo well to 22x22 - btw, wtf is it?
[02:26] <Mez> I think it's meant to resemble some sort of barista
[02:27] <Mez> ballista *
[09:15] <doko> Riddell: ping
[09:36] <doko> Riddell: once daniels stops splitting every man page out of xbase-clients, could you check to replace the xbase-clients dependency in kde4libs ?
[09:57] <\sh> doko: even ubuntu-desktop is borked because of this...i just destroyed everything here
[11:54] <pef> hi
[11:55] <JRe> hi pef
[12:16] <tvo> hmm, it seems that slocate regexp matching is really broken, could someone confirm that?
[12:24] <Riddell> tvo: slocate -r works for me
[12:25] <tvo> Riddell: hmm, it's weird, only very few regexp commands are supported than
[12:25] <tvo> | * + don't work for me
[12:27] <tvo> nevermind, it does matching on the entire path, not a substring
[12:27] <JRe> Riddell: there is no kdissert package in ubuntu ?
[12:27] <Riddell> JRe: breezy only I think
[12:28] <JRe> Riddell: ow yeah! thks.
[12:29] <tvo> hmm, no, it just takes way longer if I add .* to begin and end of pattern
[12:31] <tvo> Riddell: which expression(s) did you try?
[12:36] <Riddell> tvo: random .*
[12:36] <tvo> I think I understand, it's just a way too old regexp format
[12:36] <tvo> special characters are escaped instead of unescaped in many cases
[12:37] <tvo> and it's incompatible with QRegExp, so in current implementation regexp isn't even possible
[12:37] <tvo> in kio-locate
[12:46] <JRe> Riddell: there is an iso of hoary with the KDE 3.4.1 packages ?
[12:48] <Riddell> JRe: yes http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php
[12:48] <JRe> Riddell: thanks a lot
[01:27] <tvo> Riddell: is this .diff and .orig stuff in the source package required?
[01:27] <JRe> tvo: yes
[01:28] <JRe> tvo: dsc *diff.gz and *.orig.gz
[01:28] <tvo> hmm, I can build a package with just a .tar.gz, but
[01:28] <JRe> s/dsc/*.dsc/
[01:28] <tvo> but I've not yet figured out how to make a diff and orig
[01:28] <JRe> tvo: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[01:28] <JRe> tvo: but read debian NM guide first
[01:29] <Riddell> tvo: you can make a package with just a .tar.gz but that's generally only a good idea for small packages with no upstream
[01:29] <Riddell> tvo: you make the .orig.gz yourself then debuild makes the .diff
[01:29] <tvo> let me try that..
[01:30] <JRe> tvo: the naming convention for the orig is this one: package_version.orig.tar.gz
[01:30] <tvo> JRe: so bz2 is also not possible?
[01:30] <Riddell> no, gz only
[01:30] <JRe> tvo: no
[01:30] <tvo> k thanks
[01:32] <pef> Riddell: dh_make handle bzip2 no ? (not at the moment )
[01:34] <Riddell> don't think so
[01:35] <tvo> I think I'm getting the right files now, still compiling...
[01:36] <pef> Riddell: I think yes ;) grep bzip /usr/bin/dh_make
[01:37] <Riddell> pef: that's for sources which are bzip2, it converts them to gz
[01:38] <pef> Riddell: misunderstood, sorry :)
[01:39] <tvo> got the right package files.. now testing again...
[01:54] <tvo> hmm seems I've accidentally deleted the new help file I typed a few days ago :(
[01:55] <pef> tvo: backups rox :)
[01:55] <tvo> pef: yes, I'm still looking, it might be an issue with the build system
[02:02] <tvo> there's some weird kind of caching in the help system it seems..
[02:03] <tvo> or the new bksys installs them in the wrong place..
[02:18] <tvo> aaaaargh build system changed kio_locate into kio-locate :) that was the problem, it's solved now
[02:31] <OculusAquilae> hi
[02:31] <OculusAquilae> hi
[02:32] <OculusAquilae> do we have any program for breezy making it possible to install .debs by clicking on it or do you don't think that this is neccassary?
[02:34] <tvo> I don't know if we have it, but it would be fairly easy to link .debs to a graphical program which does dpkg -i with a progess bar I think..
[02:35] <OculusAquilae> but it should install the deps via apt-get, too, shouldn't it
[02:36] <uniq> we have kpackage.. maybe it's to complex for simple things like installing a package.
[02:37] <uniq> don't know if you can make it install a .deb by passing a few parameters to it..
[02:37] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: we don't, and it would be good, but it depends on kapture stuff getting developed
[02:37] <OculusAquilae> uniq: I think kpackage is to complicated for our uses, isn't it
[02:38] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: Who is developing kapture
[02:38] <Riddell> mornfall
[02:38] <Riddell> he's currently working on libapt-front which is a nice library for apt
[02:47] <OculusAquilae> thanks
[02:47] <pef> Riddell: kde-devel seems to be broken
[02:49] <Riddell> pef: the mailing list?
[02:49] <Riddell> oh no, the package
[02:49] <Riddell> pef: what's up with it?
[02:49] <pef> Riddell: not installable in breezy
[02:50] <Riddell> pef: what's the error
[02:50] <pef> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Z8Mebt27.html
[02:52] <\sh> yes
[02:52] <\sh> i think these are x dep issues :(
[02:53] <Riddell> they will be
[02:53] <\sh> but thx to god..not only kde is broken ,-)
[02:53] <Riddell> yes, saw seb having much the same conversation with daniels this morning as I had yesterday
[02:54] <\sh> what was the consense?
[02:55] <Riddell> "how do I build anything without libXrender.la?"  "fix all the other .la files that still reference it"
[02:56] <\sh> u mean, we have to rebuild the whole system because one file moved from a to b?
[02:57] <Riddell> \sh: it's not been moved, it's been removed
[02:58] <\sh> yeah..removed == moved to /bin/trash | /dev/null ,-)
[02:58] <pef> be careful with upgrading, xkb is totally broken
[02:59] <Riddell> oh what larks, xbase-clients is broken again
[03:00] <\sh> more then that
[03:00] <\sh> it's completly destroyed
[03:00] <pef> it's simply missing :D
[03:00] <\sh> xhost xdpyinfo etc. is missing, yes, xbase-clients is destroyed ,-)
[03:01] <pef> \sh: your keymap is currently broken ?
[03:01] <\sh> pef: not now...but give me 10 mins
[03:01] <pef> \sh: wrote the fix on paper ;) https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12695
[03:03] <\sh> hmmm..firefox is crashing :(
[03:03] <\sh> no konqeuror anymore...
[03:04] <\sh> looks as a good solution for a workaround
[03:05] <pef> but this fix didn't work as is for me
[03:06] <\sh> Riddell: so which b-d we have to move out of the way for fixing the missed libXrender issue?
[03:07] <Riddell> \sh: b-d?
[03:07] <\sh> build-dep
[03:08] <Riddell> \sh: the problem isn't in build-deps, it's in other X packages which still mention libXrender.la in their .la files
[03:16] <Riddell> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuOfficeSuite  discuss.
[03:16] <Riddell> you need a launchpad login to edit
[03:32] <haggai> why is stuff still in udu.wiki instead of wiki. ?
[03:33] <Riddell> haggai: I think the specs for breezy will always be on udu just because that's where they started
[03:34] <JRe> Riddell: there is a package of OO2 ?
[03:34] <Riddell> JRe: there is
[04:47] <tvo> Riddell: I've just upped source package and hoary binary to my webspace, see wiki
[04:47] <tvo> compiled in pbuilder, tested with lintian, linda
[04:55] <Riddell> tvo: hoary or breezy?
[04:56] <tvo> binary for hoary, breezy is broken
[04:56] <tvo> source is like uniq's ==> for breezy
[04:56] <Riddell> yep
[04:57] <tvo> I'll rebuild them later today, want to cleanup the help page a bit
[04:57] <tvo> then I'm going to send a mail to armin
[05:31] <Riddell> Mez: is there a backport of kexi?
[05:31] <Mez> nope
[05:32] <Riddell> Mez: how does someone request one?
[05:34] <Mez> poke me :D
[05:34] <Mez> lol
[05:34] <Mez> but if you want to make one yourself, I'll upload it for ya :D
[05:35] <Riddell> I don't, just wanting to reply to someone on the mailing list
[05:37] <Mez> which mailing list?
[05:37] <Riddell> kubuntu-users
[05:37] <Mez> ah forgot to subsribe to taht one
[05:37] <Mez> I'll reply
[05:38] <Mez> whats the subject?
[05:38] <Riddell> [kubuntu-users]  Re: [kubuntu-users]  Re: Any database program?
[05:39] <Mez> ah you already replied anyways
[05:39] <Riddell> you can tell it's me by the excessive square bracket mailing list labeling
[05:40] <Mez> ?
[05:40] <Mez> actualyl
[05:40] <Mez> gmane doesnt show any of that
[05:41] <Mez> just shows
[05:41] <Mez> Re: Re: Any database program?
[05:42] <Riddell> how clever of it :)
[05:43] <Mez> hehe
[05:51] <Riddell> Failed to fetch http://ftp.kde.org/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  302 Found
[05:51] <Riddell> apt is a bit daft at times
[06:03] <fromoze> Riddell: I just remember the main problem I find in kubuntu: Why kget isn't in the default instalation???
[06:03] <Riddell> ah yes
[06:04] <Riddell> well mainly because it's got a complex user interface which is inconsistent with file transfers that happen not to use kget
[06:05] <Riddell> plus it has messy defaults, adding an extra button to konqueror, that weird drop target thing and big popup messages "do you want to use this with konqueror"
[06:05] <Riddell> which put me off it
[06:05] <fromoze> Riddell: I see, good arguments :)
[06:06] <Riddell> but maybe I should give it another shot
[06:06] <Riddell> what else did that mailing list post ask for?
[06:06] <fromoze> Can I copy them to comment on my blog? I make a very bad post about the fault of kget xD
[06:10] <Soneras> hi there
[06:11] <Riddell> fromoze: sure, where's your blog?
[06:11] <Soneras> Riddell: about KGet. I know what you mean, but the drop target thing isn't there by default. maybe the additional (web-only) toolbar button can be removed as well?
[06:12] <fromoze> Riddell: Is in spanish xD
[06:12] <Riddell> oh, opening in new tabs instead of new windows was the defualt
[06:12] <Riddell> konqueror should come to forground when opening a new tab
[06:13] <fromoze> Riddell: now is fromoze.blogspot.com... but i talk about kget on my old livejournal. The interesting link is www.augcyl.org/planet ;)
[06:15] <Riddell> fromoze: what is augcyl?
[06:16] <fromoze> Riddell: Asociacin de Usuarios de Gnu de Castilla y Len - A lug :)
[06:16] <fromoze> well a Lug's association..
[06:17] <Soneras> Riddel, did you read that (lenghty) eMail of mine (Suggestions for two KubuntuDefaults)? If so, was the 'issue' about everything opening in the same window as a tab understandable?
[06:17] <Riddell> Soneras: ah, that was you :)
[06:18] <Riddell> Soneras: yes, understandable
[06:18] <Soneras> it was me :)
[06:18] <Riddell> Soneras: the trouble is that the other way you end up with lots and lots of konqueror windows which gets in the way (like spacial browsing)
[06:19] <Riddell> in breezy the defaults are set for downloads/file transfers to be in only one window, which is quite neat.  but I guess doesn't have the features of kget (it should damnit)
[06:20] <Soneras> does it have resume (which I suppose is the most important one)
[06:20] <Riddell> Soneras: it does not
[06:20] <Soneras> oh hmm. still worked on I guess :)
[06:21] <Riddell> kget features like resume should be part of kioslaves
[06:21] <Riddell> then it would all be nice and slick
[06:21] <Soneras> yeah, at times it'd be usefull locally as well. although I really don't mind kget I have to admit
[06:24] <Riddell> gah, kget takes up more room in system tray
[06:24] <Soneras> oh. that's true
[06:25] <Soneras> makes for less open windows though.
[06:25] <Riddell> and if I pause my download it disappears
[06:25] <Soneras> but well, I'll not try to convince you of anything here ;)
[06:26] <Soneras> about the other thing though (tabs instead of windows)...
[06:26] <Soneras> with spatial browsing you get a new window every time you open a folder... that's a lot of mess, I agree. but it's not like that in kde.
[06:27] <Soneras> users only get a new window when they specifically open a new icon, outside the current konqueror window.
[06:27] <Soneras> so, errrm, when they want a second window they click "home" again - and can interact with both windows (copy'n'paste and the like)
[06:27] <seth_k> btw Riddell, re OpenOffice / KOffice, OpenOffice includes drawing and database programs.
[06:27] <seth_k> so no fair citing that as a KOffice advantage :P
[06:27] <Riddell> seth_k: drawing is not bitmap?
[06:27] <Riddell> and database doesn't work (needs java)
[06:28] <Soneras> does that sound reasonable? I have had to explain most people I gave kubuntu how to open more windows (instead of tabs)
[06:28] <seth_k> ah, well played
[06:30] <Riddell> Soneras: how about if Konqueror came into the forground when a new tab was opened?
[06:32] <uniq> hello.
[06:32] <Soneras> Riddell: hmm, would really change the issues (wanting more windows for better control / overview) the everything-tabbed idea has.
[06:32] <Soneras> hi uniq
[06:33] <Mez> Riddell: should I close the amarok-artsd bug?> seeing as it's now been changed to gstremer?
[06:33] <Mez> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/514
[06:33] <Riddell> Mez: yes please
[06:33] <Riddell> Mez: it's also changed to
[06:33] <Riddell> Mez: it's also changed to alsa
[06:34] <Mez> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/462
[06:35] <Mez> is that bug still buggy?
[06:35] <Riddell> Mez: shouldn't be, close it saying it's fixed in breezy and hoary-updates
[06:35] <uniq> riddell: hmm.. is using alsa directly a good thing?
[06:36] <uniq> won't it lock the device?
[06:36] <uniq> (if the soundcard sucks)
[06:36] <Riddell> uniq: gstreamer -> alsasink I mean
[06:36] <uniq> ah.
[06:36] <uniq> gstreamer.
[06:36] <Riddell> got an opinion on gstreamer?
[06:36] <uniq> haven't used it much.
[06:37] <uniq> right now i use polypaudio (dropin esd replacement).
[06:37] <uniq> tried to have artsd output to it.. but didn't work well.
[06:38] <Mez> hehe
[06:38] <uniq> generally i like to do things the KDE way. but amarok is a bitch. they should fix the arts engine :)
[06:38] <pef> Riddell: I think kdelibs4-dev is broken :(
[06:39] <uniq> pef: it's not kde, it's X.
[06:39] <Riddell> uniq: nope, KDE should remove arts :)
[06:39] <Riddell> pef: in breezy?
[06:39] <pef> Riddell: yes
[06:39] <uniq> riddell: well.. not remove, replace.
[06:39] <pef> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TjgslV45.html
[06:40] <Riddell> pef: yeah, that's xbase-clients being broken :(
[06:40] <uniq> KDE needs a soundserver to run on other operating systems. can't focus too much on alsa.
[06:41] <pef> Riddell: It begin hard to build packages now :]
[06:41] <uniq> pef: you can install kdelibs4-dev with: 'apt-get install kdelibs4-dev libopenexr-dev libqt3-mt-dev'
[06:43] <pef> uniq: thanks ;)
[06:44] <uniq> the libXrender issue is nice too.
[06:48] <pef> for a new program, like kvpnc-0.7.2-2, the correct version for ubuntu is 0.7.2-2-0ubuntu1 right ?
[06:49] <uniq> kvpnc-0.7.2-2ubuntu1
[06:50] <Riddell> pef: does the -2 come from debian or from kvpnc?
[06:51] <pef> debian
[06:52] <Riddell> as uniq says then
[06:53] <pef> and for a revision like 8.4 it will be 8.4-0ubuntu1 correct ?
[06:54] <Riddell> yes
[06:54] <Riddell> the -0 means it doesn't have a debian verion yet
[06:54] <Riddell> pef: you should add this to the KubuntuPackagingGuide
[06:55] <pef> yep
[07:55] <Soneras> just added Kasablanca, a ftp client to suggestedpackages - or has someone another idea for a useable kde ftp cliernt? just stumbled updon that requirement and since kbear crashes had to use gftp..
[07:55] <Soneras> or is there already a kasablanca package I missed?
[07:55] <Riddell> Soneras: konqueror
[07:56] <Soneras> yeah, but it trys to open don'T-know-how-many connections, when copying
[07:56] <Riddell> Soneras: jre made packages https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MOTUNewPackages
[07:56] <Soneras> thus it doesnt work
[07:56] <Riddell> of kasablanca
[07:57] <Soneras> oh and kftpgrabber. will check that out too, thanks
[07:57] <Soneras> (though kasablanca seems leaner ;))
[07:57] <Soneras> btw, Riddell, I had another question before: will there be a bootsplash and a grub menu background for kubuntu in breezy?
[07:58] <Soneras> and if so, is there already beeing worked on? (on the artwork)
[07:58] <Riddell> Soneras: I suspect not, poke sladen
[07:59] <Riddell> the artwork would be just the same as the default wallpaper anyway
[08:00] <Soneras> yeah; I thought I might help there - altering the wallpaper to fit the different format and sizes/resolutions. did that for simplymepis
[08:03] <Riddell> Soneras: aah, a mepis man :)
[08:03] <Riddell> Soneras: anything they have we should steal?
[08:04] <Soneras> their system toolsd
[08:04] <tvo> uniq: ping
[08:04] <Riddell> Soneras: to which soures are not available
[08:04] <Riddell> as far as anyone can tell
[08:05] <Soneras> yep. although most seem to agree it's gpl
[08:05] <Soneras> did you try to ping the author?
[08:05] <Riddell> I havn't, amu did
[08:06] <Soneras> no reply? warren (the mepis guy) always seemed rather busy - hard to get some reply even when working on some artwork.
[08:09] <tvo> Riddell: you happen to know the reason uniq had for not including scons-mini in old kio-locate?
[08:10] <Riddell> tvo: nope, is it needed?
[08:10] <Riddell> doesn't build-dep on scons mean it isn't needed?
[08:10] <tvo> well, ita (author of bksys) is trying to persuade me to include it because:
[08:11] <tvo> it's faster and scons 0.96.90 (not packaged for ubuntu) has bugs
[08:11] <Riddell> ah well, go ahead then :)
[08:12] <tvo> in that, case, i'm off to change the build system again :p
[08:39] <fromoze> Riddell: StR is on kubuntu-es :)
[08:40] <Riddell> fromoze: groovy, tell him to give everyone 30 admin points on #kubuntu-es
[08:47] <StR> is Riddell here?
[08:48] <Riddell> StR: hi
[08:48] <StR> Hi Riddell I read in #kubuntu-es that you and many more were looking for me?
[08:49] <Riddell> StR: yep :)  we want you to give op rights to others on the channel to prevent abuse
[08:49] <StR> full op or voice op... or what do they need?
[08:50] <Riddell> StR: full thing
[08:50] <StR> and do you know who they are?
[08:50] <Riddell> StR: me and fromoze would be a good start
[08:51] <fromoze> I'm using irc since a week... better wincide than me I think
[08:51] <Riddell> StR: yes, wincide too
[08:51] <Riddell> fromoze: and now you'll never escape from IRC
[08:52] <StR> ok.. I will talk to the guys in the chan...
[08:52] <fromoze> Riddell may be :P
[08:55] <seth_k> Riddell: mind if I add those caveats about OOo's draw and base programs to the wikipage? Or is that common knowledge that I just overlooked :D
[08:56] <Riddell> seth_k: go ahead
[08:56] <Riddell> but draw is vector based as I recall, they removed the bitmap stuff from staroffice for some reason
[09:03] <Riddell> tvo: http://luispedro.org/software/index/
[09:04] <Riddell> tvo: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=112014703018956&w=2
[09:05] <tvo> bookmarked for now, I doubt I'll have time to look at it before the weekly status :)
[09:07] <tvo> still have to rebuild&test the packages..
[09:10] <seth_k> Riddell, right, Draw is vector based. Btw I don't see any problems with OOo fonts or toolbar icons on my copy
[09:10] <tvo> does someone here know why the &underFDL; and &underGPL; tags in a docbook manual don't work?
[09:11] <tvo> that is: they generate links to the wrong location
[09:16] <Riddell> tvo: do you know where they are defined?
[09:16] <pef> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide does it seems right ?
[09:17] <Riddell> seth_k: I don't know why it doesn't like me then
[09:17] <tvo> Riddell: do you mean where the actual files are? or where &under*; is defined?
[09:18] <Riddell> pef: 0.7.2-1 becomes 0.7.2-1ubuntu1 not 0.7.2-2ubuntu1
[09:19] <tvo> answers: i know where the files are; i don't know where &under*; is defined (if it is)
[09:19] <Riddell> "If your program hasn't been yet packaged" -> "If your program hasn't been yet packaged in Debian"
[09:19] <Riddell> "0 for not yet packaged" -> "0 for not yet packaged in Debian"
[09:19] <Riddell> tvo: where &under* is defined.  is this KDE or general docbook?
[09:20] <tvo> Riddell: KDE, it's compiled with meinproc
[09:20] <Riddell> tvo: do other documents use those tags (and does it work for them)?
[09:21] <tvo> Riddell: i'll check
[09:23] <tvo> Riddell: they work for kdiff and knetattach
[09:23] <tvo> though they seem to generate the exact same code.. so maybe I should install the GPL and FDL manually
[09:23] <tvo> or install symlinks?
[09:24] <tvo> &underGPL; generates some text with: help:/kio-locate/common/gpl-license.html
[09:24] <tvo> but a working url would be: help:/common/gpl-license.html
[09:27] <pef> Riddell: thanks
[09:27] <tvo> Riddell: it seems the tag is working fine, but I need to install symlink, copies or redirect pages for these licenses
[09:27] <Riddell> pef: I've updated the wiki
[09:28] <Riddell> tvo: how annoying, what does kdiff etc do?
[09:28] <pef> Riddell: the wiki notices me :)
[09:29] <tvo> wait a minute, I'll try to figure out
[09:30] <seth_k> http://sethkinast.com/tmp/ooo.png Riddell. Is that not how you see it? (besides the funny R's, which I don't have.)
[09:31] <Riddell> seth_k: that's about right.  it's the funny r's that must just be me
[09:34] <seth_k> okay, removing KOffice point accordingly.
[09:34] <Riddell> seth_k: eek?  which point?
[09:35] <seth_k> the "fonts all work" point?
[09:35] <Riddell> hmm, ok.  but I'll add it back as soon as I find someone with broken r's :)
[09:36] <Riddell> fromoze: we don't seem to have ops on #kubuntu-es
[09:36] <seth_k> okay :D i stuck a comment on the diff so it's easy to spot
[09:36] <pef> Soneras: Kftpgrabber ?
[09:36] <Soneras> pef: hmm?
[09:37] <pef> Soneras: ftp client
[09:37] <Soneras> ah yes, I'm having a look at kasablanca and kftpgrabber at the moment
[09:37] <fromoze> Riddell. We? jpatrick says I've voice... I don't understand enough :/
[09:38] <Soneras> I think kasablanca is well done (has some issues though - writing a lenghty mail to the author... which I have to find first anyway) =)
[09:42] <tvo> Riddell: docs.kde.org has the same problem. Links to GPL and FDL are broken links everywhere I look..
[09:43] <pef> libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libXrender.la' current X issue right ?
[09:44] <Riddell> pef: yes
[09:44] <Riddell> (one of them)
[09:46] <pef> ok
[09:46] <Riddell> tvo: report it to bugs.kde.org maybe
[09:47] <tvo> Riddell: ok I'll do that, seems to be KDE-wide anyway..
[09:51] <Soneras> does anyone know if JeanRemyFalleri is actively working on kasablanca code? or is he 'just' packaging?
[09:53] <Riddell> seth_k: just packaging
[09:53] <Riddell> Soneras:
[09:54] <Soneras> Riddell: k, thanks
[10:04] <Riddell> anyone got opinions on AdvancedAddBookmarkDialog=true  for bookmarks?
[10:05] <Soneras> anyplace I can read up on this?
[10:06] <\sh> grmpf...
[10:06] <\sh> what was the workaround for xorg not starting with "fatal error: can't find fixed font" ?
[10:09] <Riddell> Soneras: on which?
[10:09] <pef> \sh: have checked the fontpath in xorg.conf ?
[10:09] <Riddell> \sh: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf change /usr/share to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/*
[10:10] <Soneras> on AdvancedBookmarkDialog
[10:10] <Riddell> Soneras: Bookmarks->Add in konqueror, should that dialogue appear or not
[10:14] <Soneras> Riddell: Sorry, still not sure what this means - adding bookmarks in Konqueror should be possible, but I suppose that's not the point. nevermind though, I'm sure somebody else knows about this and can give more educated feedback.
[10:19] <\sh> think Imessed up now everything
[10:20] <\sh> which package installs /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/* ? i don't have it...and xfonts-base is wrong
[10:21] <\sh> mkfontdir is not found..
[10:21] <Riddell> Soneras: when you add a bookmark in konqueror a dialogue box appears, but it can also be set so the dialogue box doesn't appear and the bookmark is just added.  which do you prefer?
[10:23] <Riddell> \sh: xfonts-75dpi has some
[10:24] <\sh> mkfontdir not found.
[10:24] <Soneras> Riddell: Ah ok. Personally I prefer it with the dialog - can change the name directly, but I see the advantage (a lot faster, and 80% correct names) of not having a dialog as well.
[10:24] <\sh> can't read fonts.dir
[10:25] <\sh> hmm
[10:25] <\sh> xutils is empty but the doc
[11:08] <Riddell> how about this for a default?  konqueror --profile simplebrowser
[11:09] <tvo> Riddell: a Q about python build-depend: do I need to specify an upper limit for the version?
[11:10] <Riddell> tvo: yeah probably good practice, python <= 2.5 or the like
[11:10] <Riddell> tvo: what python are you playing with?
[11:10] <tvo> Riddell: i'm changing the build to use scons-mini
[11:10] <tvo> scons-mini is python, so I need to specify python build-depend instead of scons
[11:11] <Riddell> tvo: you might want to put that ony our wiki page (for people googling for scons debian packaging etc)
[11:11] <Riddell> on your
[11:11] <tvo> I was told the << 2.5 which is used for scons for example is because the python script gets compiled into bytecode
[11:12] <Riddell> compiling to bytecode should be done at install time no?
[11:12] <tvo> but I reasoned this wouldn't matter in my case because it's a build depend and no python byte code is supposed to get in the deb
[11:12] <tvo> yep
[11:12] <Riddell> oh, build-depend, wouldn't both then
[11:13] <tvo> maybe I can find another app which uses a python build script..
[11:17] <tvo> hmm I don't know how to search for packages with certain build-deps so i'll leave it for now I think
[11:20] <Riddell> it's not too important I suspect :)
[11:21] <tvo> Riddell: does it matter if I didn't do a thing with .po files for now?
[11:21] <tvo> and .pot
[11:21] <tvo> if it doesn't matter too much the package is finally finished i think :)
[11:23] <Riddell> tvo: you should create .pot files somewhere along the lines, but you can't do that in the build script just now since we don't have the kde gettext in the archive
[11:24] <tvo> Riddell: yeah, I understood something like that, but question is more: does it matter if I distribute a package with heavily outdated .pot files?
[11:25] <Riddell> tvo: it doesn't matter no, unless they get picked up by a translator who uses them
[11:48] <tvo> 11 minutes left :)
[11:49] <tvo> but packages upped, dnloaded md5sums compared, ok
[11:49] <Riddell> if Europe is an hour ahead does that mean you can get Harry Potter an hour early?
[11:52] <tvo> hmm, might be, have to check that :)
[11:53] <Riddell> well no spoilers please :)
[11:58] <\sh> hmm
[11:58] <\sh> new harry potter?
[11:59] <tvo> ..and 1 minute before deadline.. he clicks "save changes" on the wiki.. ;p
[12:00] <Riddell> \sh: quick, run to a bookshop now!
[12:00] <Riddell> poor postman tomorrow
[12:01] <\sh> Riddell: no :) I have my copy already :)
[12:03] <Riddell> \sh: how did you manage that?
[12:04] <\sh> riddell: I have it not here..but I will get it without any hassel from a friend, he's working for bertelsmann
[12:04] <\sh> native version (english) for 10 eur
[12:04] <\sh> like the last book of hp
[12:04] <Riddell> ah right
[12:05] <\sh> I mean I ordered already
[12:05] <\sh> problem is, when u try to get the original edition, normally u pay a lot more here in germany
[12:06] <\sh> and the normal price for the last HP in german was 27 EUR
[12:06] <\sh> we got the native print for 9.99 EUR as special employee price from bertelsmann...and this time again...so friend is buying a couple of those books :)


[05:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xfce4-terminal (bionic-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 => <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (xubuntu)
[07:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-29.31~16.04.1]
[07:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-29.31~16.04.1]
[08:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oem [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [4.15.0-1012.15] (kernel)
[09:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted perl [source] (bionic-proposed) [5.26.1-6ubuntu0.2]
[09:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oem [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1012.15]
[09:28] <doko> apw: are you aware of: ALERT: linux-meta-azure is newer in testing (<IP_ADDRESS>4.14 <IP_ADDRESS>3.13)
[09:28] <apw> doko, i'll have a look
[09:34] <apw> doko, ok sorted, an automation failure
[09:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (bionic-proposed/main) [2.33.1+18.04ubuntu2 => 2.34.1+18.04.1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
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[10:00] <sil2100> xnox: regarding systemd - I see systemd in cosmic is also blocked on the armhf failure
[10:00] <sil2100> xnox: could you check if it's the same issue? If yes, we could hint it and make it migrate
[10:01] <sil2100> xnox: (also, would be nice to know if that's the last thing blocking the migration)
[10:11] <sil2100> xnox: ok, on first glimpse the failing tests aren't the same so it's not instantly obvious - waiting for your input before I hint this
[10:11] <sil2100> xnox: (and waiting with the bionic systemd SRU release as I can't release it without knowing the cosmic one will migrate)
[10:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (bionic-proposed/main) [2.33.1+18.04ubuntu2 => 2.34.2+18.04] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
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[10:22] <ginggs> xnox: thanks for taking care of minieigen :)
[10:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected snapd [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.34.1+18.04.1]
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[10:31] <xnox> sil2100, armhf in cosmic has that thing; but also a few other things as well; it's not just fiemap assertion.
[10:31] <xnox> sil2100, the bionic one is clean, and just that one fiemap assertion holding back for it to pass everything.
[10:31] <xnox> sil2100, thus a hint, make sense as pegged to 10.2 version number, on the bionic hints branch only.
[10:32] <xnox> ginggs, no problem.
[10:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.34.2+18.04]
[10:43] <didrocks> sil2100: hey! Mind looking at apport now that bdmurray added an additional fix and resubmitted to bionic?
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.34.2]
[10:43] <didrocks> (I know you asked him for a first review)
[10:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (trusty-proposed) [2.34.2~14.04]
[11:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: unattended-upgrades (bionic-proposed/main) [1.1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1.1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[11:32] <rbalint> sil2100, ^this is the last fix i planned for u-u before the point release
[11:33] <rbalint> juliank, ^ i think it will help avoiding many lock-related issues until the frontend lock is in place
[11:35] <juliank> possibly
[11:35] <juliank> I think we have to rollout frontend locking in cosmic next week or so
[11:35] <juliank> that hopefully unbreaks python-apt
[11:36] <juliank> I have no idea where locks get lost there
[11:40] <LocutusOfBorg> [14:47:19] <LocutusOfBorg> can we please kick phpunit-mock-object out from Ubuntu, move to proposed, or at least ignore testsuite? I would like to make new phpunit go in release
[11:41] <juliank> What approximate date should we use in code for 20.04.1 release date?
[11:41] <juliank> Something like 2020-07-21?
[12:09] <sil2100> didrocks: hey! Looking now
[12:09] <sil2100> xnox: I hinted the bionic one, but I don't think I can release the bionic one with the cosmic one blocked in -proposed
[12:10] <xnox> sil2100, well, we kind of need bionic one out, for the point release.
[12:10] <sil2100> xnox: so a subsequent upload for cosmic will be needed to unblock it?
[12:11] <xnox> sil2100, otherwise we will have upgrade bugs. cosmic one is most likely going to get v239, rather than spending time fixing the v238 regressions.
[12:11] <sil2100> xnox: if you make sure that the cosmic parts will migrate as soon as possible, I think I can exceptionally release the bionic one
[12:11] <xnox> sil2100, if it makes you feel better we can copy up 10.2 into cosmic-release =)
[12:11] <xnox> sil2100, cosmic one will get one more upload, and will migrate next week yeah.
[12:11] <sil2100> xnox: I trust in you!
[12:13] <xnox> together with bionic sru cherrypick of the fiemap fixup
[12:30] <sil2100> Notice: releasing language packs for bionic o/
[12:42] <sil2100> didrocks: hm, I guess I would again prefer is bdmurray reviewed this one, especially if he had concerns and you fixed those - he should be around in an hour or two, so we should still be able to get this into -proposed today
[12:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.02-2ubuntu8.2]
[12:56] <bdmurray> sil2100: I was waiting for apport to migrate in cosmic but it hasn't because of bug 1780767. I'm good with the changes for bionic so will accept it. Does that work for you?
[12:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-signed [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.93.3]
[13:00] <bdmurray> xnox: Has the additional information helped with bug 1761997?
[13:09] <sil2100> bdmurray: ok, +1
[13:09] <sil2100> Pre-release weeks are week of exceptions ;)
[13:09] <sil2100> s/week/weeks
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (bionic-proposed/main) [2.02-2ubuntu8.2 => 2.02-2ubuntu8.2] (core)
[13:11] <sil2100> rbalint: ok, let me review tha
[13:11] <LocutusOfBorg> is an AA around to help me making phpunit bootstrap migrate in release? it is mostly ready, needs 4-5 removals from release and we should be good to go
[13:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apport [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.20.9-0ubuntu7.3]
[13:22] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: which ones?
[13:26] <ginggs> have there been any configuration changes to buildds lately? (i guess since before july 16) i am seeing many timeouts in openmpi packages with "A high-performance Open MPI point-to-point messaging module was unable to find any relevant network interfaces"
[13:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (bionic-proposed/main) [2.02-2ubuntu8.2 => 2.02-2ubuntu8.2] (core)
[13:43] <sil2100> rbalint: what's the status of LP: #1260041 in cosmic?
[13:51] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, phpunit-mock-object <-- this one is superseeded by src:phpunit now, rc buggy, should be removed debian bug #901978
[13:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [2.02-2ubuntu8.2]
[13:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [2.02-2ubuntu8.2]
[13:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted budgie-extras [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.4.4-0ubuntu1.2]
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[14:00] <sil2100> bdmurray: could you fill in the SRU info for LP: #1780501 ? Lan_ey mentioned you be the best person to do that
[14:05] <bdmurray> sil2100: I don't think its more urgent than the point release as it only affects upgrades from Bionic to Cosmic.
[14:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.02-2ubuntu13 => 2.02-2ubuntu13] (core)
[14:06] <sil2100> Sure
[14:07] <bdmurray> I've been trying but for some reason I'm not getting a conffile prompt during the upgrade.
[14:22] <cyphermox> could someone please have a look at the grub2's in unapproved queue for cosmic? There's a couple of revisions there which have been waiting just for EFI signage, essentially.
[14:27] <sil2100> cyphermox: on it
[14:27] <cyphermox> sil2100: ta
[14:27] <cyphermox> only ubuntu13 is the one I care about now, obviously ;)
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.02-2ubuntu11]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.02-2ubuntu12]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.02-2ubuntu11]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.02-2ubuntu13]
[14:28] <sil2100> Just in case I usually tend to take them all
[14:28] <sil2100> If they don't look fishy
[14:29] <apw> i have the feeling that the grub2-signed isn't terribly good at getting the right version
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.02-2ubuntu13 => 2.02-2ubuntu13] (core)
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[14:43] <cyphermox> apw: heh, what's one more. If anything blows up I'll reupload -- I have a block-proposed bug up anyway
[14:44] <apw> cyphermox, heh
[15:13] <rbalint> sil2100, u-u is fixed in cosmic, i updated the bug
[15:18] <sil2100> rbalint: ACK
[15:18] <sil2100> rbalint: re-reviewing then
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[15:49] <rbalint> bdmurray, how can i map a bug report to multiple crashes on errors.u.c ?
[15:55] <bdmurray> rbalint: There is no mapping of bugs to errors.u.c really. Although you can open a bug from an error. So I'd just add them to the description of the bug.
[15:58] <rbalint> bdmurray, so if i get a different trace for an issue for which a bug already exists i open a bug and dup it to the old bug?
[15:59] <bdmurray> rbalint: What is your end goal?
[16:05] <rbalint> bdmurray, well, i would like to mark the error as pre-existing, but my end goal at the moment is reenabling distribution of u-u for which pahsing is 0% due to a pre-existing error which changed in the trace
[16:10] <bdmurray> rbalint: Okay, so marking as a duplicate seems fine then. If you need help reenabling phasing I can do that.
[16:12] <rbalint> bdmurray, do i need to open the bug or you can reenable phasing without that, too?
[16:14] <rbalint> bdmurray, i have high hopes in u-u SRU currently in -proposed (1.1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) , it may avoid many such errors
[16:14] <bdmurray> rbalint: I can reenable the phasing without the bugs - provided you prove to me its the same error ;-)
[16:22] <rbalint> bdmurray, the new https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/6a152a1753ad6c7aac419ad6c544a540aa30b7e0 is the same as https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/33db55f3a084a7957ca1ec76f7ac2870614f17fa
[16:23] <bdmurray> rbalint: I am convinced!
[16:23] <rbalint> bdmurray, thanks :-)
[16:24] <rbalint> bdmurray, in a few weeks we may leave all those locking issues behind :-)
[16:25] <xnox> bdmurray, surely for python tracebacks we should ignore then ', line [0-9]*,' bit. The stuff that matters is the function call chain, no?
[16:26] <xnox> bdmurray, that would fix this once and for all.
[16:27] <bdmurray> xnox: I agree, its just a matter of scheduling it.
[16:27] <xnox> bdmurray, true.... let me create a card for it, such that we can watch it age =)
[17:12] <ahasenack> hi, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#autofs has been testing armhf for about 24h now, anything going on with the armhf testers? I don't even see autofs in the page at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running
[17:12] <ahasenack> or is that particular job stuck for some reason?
[17:12] <doko> xnox: boost-defaults migrated
[17:14] <doko> bdmurray: how often do you usually try until the apport autopkg test succeeds?
[17:14] <bdmurray> doko: I think bug 1780767 is the issue
[17:15] <rbalint> bdmurray, so could you please restore phasing of u-u?
[17:16] <bdmurray> rbalint: I've overridden the issue so either the next run will phase it again or an AA could bump it manually
[17:17] <rbalint> bdmurray, ah, ok, thanks!
[17:22] <doko> bdmurray: are you working on this?
[17:30] <bdmurray> doko: on the test timeouts? No, I'm working on stuff for the 18.04 point release
[17:52] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: phpunit-mock-object removed
[17:55] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, I would like to see: php-mockery php-monolog php-net-ldap2 kicked out from release to proposed, they might get fixed in Debian, they are all rc-buggy and I don't know how to fix them
[17:55] <LocutusOfBorg> no upstream activity
[17:56] <doko> rdeps?
[17:56] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm not sure I got my command right, seems not, but I'm checking in coccia
[17:59] <LocutusOfBorg> they have some, all out of debian testing
[17:59] <LocutusOfBorg> php-net-ldap3 and simpleid-ldap
[17:59] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm trying to figure out why symfony is not out from testing
[18:00] <LocutusOfBorg> oh because php-monolog is rc buggy but not removed from testing yet
[18:04] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: please can you file a bug report with separate tasks and the block-proposed tag?
[18:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: imagemagick [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/main) [8:<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg-3ubuntu2] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
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[19:05] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, let me check if I can fix stuff?
[19:05] <LocutusOfBorg> removing symphony is a no-go
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[07:25] <lordievader> Good morning
 hello everyone, can you tell me by chance when the issue of google online accounts will be resolved?
 @daniel9411, Not yet. Of the 2 bugs involved, this one is still open and unfixed. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414219
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:41] <_zxq9_> Hi!
[14:42] <BluesKaj> hi _zxq9_
[14:42] <_zxq9_> Anything interesting going on for you today?
[14:42] <_zxq9_> I forget what TZ you're in. (UTC+9 here).
[14:43] <BluesKaj> EDT here, Ontario Canada
[14:43] <BluesKaj> EST actually
[14:53] <BluesKaj> was checking this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-YBeo9hlzk
[15:08] <_zxq9_> Pretty slick.
[15:09] <_zxq9_> I've only ever bought a handful of desktops from Linux-focused computer companies before. Never a laptop.
[15:09] <_zxq9_> The trouble is that they're all in the US and can't do a Japanese keyboard layout very easily. :-/
[15:10] <dave2592> Dell is my best recommendation.....
[15:13] <_zxq9_> I hate Dell with a passion (but not because of their PCs/notebooks so much as having had to deal with their server support folks while managing data centers).
[15:14] <BluesKaj> _zxq9_, which brands are Japan friendly?
[15:14] <_zxq9_> Anyway, Dell isn't a very reliable option where I live. Toshiba and Fujitsu have excellent presence and service here.
[15:14] <_zxq9_> Most of my customers have moved to Toshiba at this point for notebooks (we make most of their desktops in house).
[15:15] <_zxq9_> Their after-sales support is unbelievable.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> Toshibas are nice, good quality for the money or so I've heard
[15:16] <_zxq9_> Most of the stuff I've seen sold by them in the US are ruggedized notebooks (for field use), or gaming type or desktop replacement type notebooks.
[15:16] <_zxq9_> Here they are really big on the "super tiny, runs cold, low consumption" sort of business notebooks that focus on size, weight, battery life and (of special note) non-crappy keyboards.
[15:17] <_zxq9_> That happens to mesh well with most our clients' needs, so we see loads of those here.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> my laptop is a Dell and I'm happy with it ...not a pemium TOTL, but it suits my needs
[15:17] <_zxq9_> Most of our own notebooks internally are Toshibas that we've refurbised after they've gone past 5 years at a client site, actually. hehe
[15:18] <BluesKaj> is toshiba a very linux friendly brand HW wise?
[15:18] <_zxq9_> Replace the drives, clean everything out, and put Kubuntu on them with our config -- and that's it.
[15:19] <_zxq9_> Never had an issue with them. The UEFI set up is very familiar for us (and not hidden or mysterious) so it tends to be really easy to get things set up right on the first go.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> right
[15:20] <_zxq9_> Until just recently they weren't doing many Ryzen mobile models, but they've started, so in that area things have gotten better, too.
[15:21] <_zxq9_> Most of the time we get the hybrid drive models for clients, then when we get them back we replace them for internal use with a fresh SSD. Everything just sort of works. Never had an issue with any built-in peripherals using Kubuntu or Debian Stable.
[15:21] <_zxq9_> Acer has been a bit of a mixed bag (we still have a few of those around).
[15:21] <_zxq9_> Some of their stuff is *really* nice. Some of their stuff is just sort of OK. The biggest issue with Acer (at least in Japan) is it is hard to get solid after-market support, even under warranty.
[15:22] <_zxq9_> For business uses like ours that's important.
[15:25] <BluesKaj> I had an acer "elcheapo" laptop, it lasted less then 4 yrs
[15:25] <BluesKaj> than
[15:26] <_zxq9_> :-/ That sucks.
[15:26] <BluesKaj> the lenovo replacement wasn't much better
[15:27] <_zxq9_> The only system we ever had totally break down was a Toshiba -- they had a replacement *walked* to the office, in person, the next afternoon. Blew us away.
[15:27] <_zxq9_> I mean, there is good support, and then there is sending a dude to walk a replacement out to you within 24 hours.
[15:28] <BluesKaj> cool
[15:29] <_zxq9_> Never had a very good experience with Lenovo. Doing dual installs on them we've had this problem with after major updates the boot selection sequence will get weird and we have to tell it to boot grub before the Windows bootloader.
[15:29] <_zxq9_> I'm not sure why it was a problem there and not anywhere else, though.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> the cpu on my lenovo died after 5 yrs or so
[15:30] <_zxq9_> The CPU? Wow. That's unusual.
[15:30] <_zxq9_> Did it run hot?
[15:30] <_zxq9_> Or hot/cold a lot?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> the screen started dying just before that...never noticed any heat problems
[15:31] <BluesKaj> I'm not a big load user , just a home user with simple needs
[17:23] <heinoja9> Hi everyone. I was testing Kubuntu 19.10 earlier and it seemed to be quite nice. Now only issue is that EWS calendars are read-only. Is this by design?
[17:26] <Alabalistic> what is EWS calendars
[17:26] <heinoja9> Exchange Web Services, Exchange server / O365 mails
[17:27] <Alabalistic> I know nothing about it
[17:32] <PHaynsworth> Attempted to install kubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64 ...on a Lenovo N23 ... Processor: Intel Celeron N3060 // Memory: 4GB DDR3L 1600 MHz // Storage: 32GB eMMC ... Replaced  Preinstalled Windows 10 Pro
[17:32] <PHaynsworth> After install, get: Boot Menu: // 1. Windows Boot Manager // 2. eMMC Disk:  Samsung 32GB ... neither 1 nor 2 commences a boot, instead looping back to option 1 https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/ts350MjTdiJlQ0Bq0kYv?signature=4ad7ec401e16876d07c3201a89af2e645e268f2e34ad9d337b9acc482ec49d98&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE1Nzk3MTYwMzB9
 Hey guys!
 My dad's Kubuntu 18.04 sometimes prompts for the WIFI password on boot even though it is stored (unencrypted) for all users.
 The password is still there. I can look it up in the settings!!
 It does not matter if I activate or deactivate the password management of Kubuntu.
 It happens irregularly.
 When searching the web, other people seems to have the same problem.
 But no solution.
[19:44] <Alabalistic> the account is with no password login I suppous
[19:46] <Alabalistic> I remember having same issues, but if you turn on the password login and turn of the wake password, then this can be a easy solution.
[20:29] <mycrap> graphics card help please
 We're going to need some more information...
[21:23] <fuze> This says ashmem and binder kernel modules are included in 19.10, does include kubuntu? https://github.com/anbox/anbox/issues/1289
[22:58] <jericho> hello all


[18:01] <sambagirl> hi ubuntu gnome uses gnome exclusively?
[18:01] <TheLordOfTime> last i checked :P
[18:01] <sambagirl> ok
[18:02] <sambagirl> i am going to rebuild a laptop and i wanted to have the same feel and functionality i have enjoyed in 10.04 / 10.10 with gnome. can i expect that?
[18:03] <sambagirl> ?
[18:04] <sambagirl> applets, upper and loweer panel?
[18:06] <sambagirl> ok thanks
[20:27] <atrus> well sambagirl's in for a surprise.