[12:19] <Viper550> Hello everyone...
[12:35] <Viper550> so, except for the (of course) replacing of the ugly purple/bronze wallpaper, are there any other Kubuntu adjustments for Knot 3?
[02:12] <bddebian> Heya
[02:12] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[02:13] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: around?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> i've just found a few more bugs that need fixing
[04:33] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/16269
[04:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 16269 in kdenetwork "KPPP fails to connect." [Medium,Confirmed]
[04:33] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/13694
[04:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 13694 in kdenetwork "kppp will not connect using phone as modem" [Medium,Needs info]
[04:36] <Hobbsee> urgh.  kopete stuff is not an easy fix.
[04:45] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot3/Kubuntu
[04:45] <nixternal> Hobbsee: anything else you can think of adding to the list?
[04:45] <nixternal> anyone know when the freeze is as well?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: today sometime
[04:45] <Hobbsee> or tonight
[04:46] <nixternal> ok..so then what updates i have now will be knot 3
[04:48] <Hobbsee> is *anyone* planning to touch kdenetwork again before knot 3 freeze?
[04:52] <freeflying> Hi all
[04:54] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying
[04:57] <freeflying> Hobbsee: do you have any slidshow for kubuntu?
[04:57] <Hobbsee> freeflying: nope, sorry
[04:58] <Hobbsee> argh.  someone with more knowledge really needs to look at kppp
[05:16] <freeflying> Hobbsee: what's wrong with kppp
[05:17] <Hobbsee> freeflying: did you see the bug reports above?  it doesnt tend to work OOTB
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee, nixternal, bddebian
[05:49] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[05:49] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[05:49] <bddebian> Heh, Hi DaSkreech
[05:50] <Hobbsee> good, building things before main freeze
[05:50] <Hobbsee> (knot 3)
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Main isn't frozen?
[05:50] <DaSkreech>  Oh that Freeze
[05:50] <Hobbsee> well, it is, so UVF exceptions only
[05:51] <nixternal> hiya DaSkreech
[05:52] <DaSkreech> Yo
[05:52] <nixternal> http://chi.ubuntu-us.org <- top story rulez!
[05:52] <crimsun> kwii's purplish photo/wall is nice
[05:52] <crimsun> kwwii's, rather
[05:56] <DaSkreech> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14577991%40N00/200083719/
[05:56] <DaSkreech> MM taste of Ubuntu :)
[05:57] <nixternal> haha
[05:57] <nixternal> that dude is dead secksy
[05:57] <DaSkreech> <Fat bastard voice> Secksy Man Secksy man </Fat bastard voice>
[05:58] <nixternal> haha yes
[06:05] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure I get the Edubuntu logo :(
[06:07] <nixternal> come on, pass the torch to the younger generation, they are the flame to burn into the future
[06:07] <nixternal> i made that up just so you know
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Ok I thought it was the teaching hitting the students :)
[06:08] <nixternal> haha
[06:15] <imbrandon> haha its a child raising its hand ( to ask a question , like in school )
[06:15] <imbrandon> nixternal / DaSkreech ^^
[06:15] <nixternal> what does it look like a flame?
[06:15] <DaSkreech> I just assumed it must be a teacher since it has a longer hand :)
[06:16] <imbrandon> umm you know those are people in a circle right ;)
[06:16] <nixternal> i know the CoF is people
[06:16] <nixternal> oh ya
[06:16] <nixternal> i see it now
[06:16] <nixternal> hahah
[06:16] <nixternal> shush
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Yeah Don't all *buntu's have to have circle?
[06:19] <DaSkreech> >a< circle
[06:19] <nixternal> so then, we are gear heads?  i think Auto mechanics would have something to say about that ;)
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Yeah But at least xubuntu supports community exercise
[06:20] <nixternal> haha
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Ubuntu-libre should be funny :)
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Punch of people running from Jail in a circle?
[07:52] <freeflying_> Riddell: arounds?
[07:52] <nixternal> g'nite ;)
[08:05] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Night
[08:42] <Lure> Riddell: why do we depend on language-pack-gnome-en-base?
[09:18] <imbrandon> Welcome to #kubuntu-devel ! | Main Freeze for Knot 3 | TODO:  Gamin fixes at: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates | Merges at: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems
[10:01] <Tonio__> Hobbsee: ping ?
[10:01] <Hobbsee> Tonio__: heya!
[10:02] <imbrandon> moins Tonio__
[10:02] <Tonio__> Hobbsee: fine ?
[10:02] <Tonio__> yop imbrandon
[10:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio__: hmmm?
[10:02] <Tonio__> Hobbsee: you ping me last night ?
[10:02] <Tonio__> morning el :)
[10:02] <imbrandon> morn el
[10:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio__: ahhh.  it's out of date now, dont worry.  was going to ask if you had anything to add to kdenetwork before i got it uploaded
[10:03] <Hobbsee> hey el
[10:03] <Tonio__> Hobbsee: okay
[10:03] <Tonio__> Hobbsee: I've been playing with kdelibs and kdeprint this night, but couldn't find the error...
[10:03] <el> morn Hobbsee, imbrandon Tonio__ :)
[10:03] <Tonio__> Hobbsee: I've been removing patches, looking at the code blabla, looking at the logs...
[10:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio__: eek, fun
[10:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio__: which error is this?
[10:03] <Tonio__> debugging kde is a pain cause we really miss logs and informations
[10:04] <Tonio__> Hobbsee: unable to click "local usb lpt blabla"
[10:04] <Hobbsee> ah right, yes
[10:04] <imbrandon> welp 13 hours untill i get eaten by the TB wolves ;)
[10:04] <Tonio__> I don't understant since cups and web admin work, and http connection to cups is successfull
[10:04] <Tonio__> so I miss the point
[10:04] <Tonio__> imbrandon: it'll be  okay ;)
[10:04] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:05] <Tonio__> imbrandon: I already went there and it was not that hard ;)
[10:05] <Tonio__> I'll ping raphink too
[10:05] <imbrandon> yea i think i'll be ok, its just the case of the nerves like when i went for MOTU
[10:05] <raphink> yop
[10:06] <imbrandon> and it was an easy 5 minute thing , but i was VERY nervious ;)
[10:06] <Tonio__> imbrandon: yes it was the same for me
[10:06] <Tonio__> really nervous before, and cool after ;)
[10:06] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[10:07] <Tonio__> hehe raphink
[10:07] <Tonio__> raphink: tu seras la pour supporter imbrandon pour coredev ce soir ?
[10:07] <imbrandon> raphink, you gonna be able to come make it and cheer me on too ? , i forgot to ask crimsun , but Tonio__ and Riddell will make it
[10:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: for what?  oh, core?
[10:07] <Hobbsee> nice
[10:08] <imbrandon> yea core-dev
[10:08] <raphink> I hope so Tonio__
[10:08] <raphink> not sure
[10:10] <Tonio_> I'm suddenly wondering what's the point concerning adept and the usability spec
[10:10] <Tonio_> anyone has news concerning this ?
[10:10] <imbrandon> i dunno , i've been kinda wondering the same thing
[10:10] <Tonio_> mornfall: ping ?
[10:11] <imbrandon> i know mornfall took a little time off but no one else has really helped him with it either
[10:11] <Tonio_> the source is the best way to get informations
[10:11] <imbrandon> ( code wise )
[10:11] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes I know :(
[10:11] <Tonio_> adept is quite complicated code
[10:11] <imbrandon> yea
[10:11] <Tonio_> although I don't know if it is merged in kde svn
[10:11] <mornfall> pong
[10:11] <Tonio_> that would probably help
[10:11] <Tonio_> mornfall: heya !!
[10:11] <imbrandon> moins mornfall
[10:12] <mornfall> hi
[10:12] <Tonio_> mornfall: we were just wondering adept status, since we didn't saw you speeking here those latest weeks :)
[10:12] <mbiebl> sebas: ping
[10:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: looks possible to close bug 57066
[10:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57066 in kdebase "Choosing which grub item to boot into when restarting doesn't work" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57066
[10:17] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cool, okay
[10:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: there is diff attached from the kde bug ;)
[10:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we just have to wait for the end of the freeze...
[10:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm preparing the package
[10:18] <Hobbsee> well, yeah, but i wasnt sure if it was actually committed or not
[10:18] <Hobbsee> cool
[10:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well we can test it and then commit :)*
[10:20] <Tonio_> those freezes are annoying.... although I can understand the need of them
[10:20] <mbiebl> sebas: just wanted to let you know, that your patch (threshold for battery charge level before suspending) worked as expected
[10:20] <mornfall> sorry i got carried away :)
[10:21] <mornfall> i took time off yes
[10:21] <Tonio_> mornfall: hehe :)
[10:21] <mornfall> i have compiled adept yesterday, after many weeks of inactivity
[10:21] <mornfall> but
[10:21] <mornfall> i don't know what the future has in store for me
[10:23] <mbiebl> sebas: Still I think the threshold should be something like 20% or 30%, 50% is too high imho
[10:27] <Tonio_> sebas: +1
[10:27] <Tonio_> mbiebl: +1 sorry :)
[10:27] <Tonio_> going by 10% step or better 5% would be better
[10:32] <kwwii> moin
[10:39] <imbrandon> heya kwwii
[10:39] <kwwii> hi imbrandon
[10:51] <mornfall> imbrandon, Tonio_, i'll try to get into adept coding again over the few next weeks, if that helps any
[10:51] <mornfall> i'll prolly miss both edgy and etch
[10:51] <mornfall> but i'm not in hurry anymore :p
[10:51] <imbrandon> mornfall, thats ok, mostly just wanted to know how it/you was doing ;) we realize ( well i do ) that you dont get paid to do this ;)
[10:52] <imbrandon> but thats good to hear
[10:52] <mornfall> Devin Townsend -- Night
[10:56] <Tonio_> mornfall: listening to devin townsend ? love this :)
[10:56] <mornfall> aye
[10:56] <mornfall> (Hide Nowhere)
[10:56] <mornfall> only have this one album tho :)
[10:56] <Tonio_> mornfall: no pb concerning adept, that's free software, so it goes as you can/want/decide :)
[10:57] <Tonio_> mornfall: hehe, you should try other ones, this guy is a real genius
[10:57] <Tonio_> I have his very first album there, with steve vai, not that cool, but okay too ;)
[10:58] <Tonio_> love this too, my favorite album so far
[10:59] <Tonio_> and this guy's life is so... inspiring and dramatic
[11:24] <Tonio_> I'm very surprized by www.live.com
[11:24] <Tonio_> results are as good as google here...
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested in a search profile for konq ? I know it is MS, but it looks almost good :)
[11:26] <Tonio_> salut PascalFr
[11:26] <PascalFr> hello Tonio_
[11:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kdm patch looks like working properly here :)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cool :)
[11:32] <Hobbsee> i just got it in my inbox a while back
[11:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yup ;) we now have to wait for the end of freeze to upload
[11:34] <Hobbsee> of course, yes
[11:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, unless we can convince Riddell its critical ( if its the logout/turn off thing i think it is ) then it can be uploaded
[11:35] <imbrandon> heya apachelogger how was the confrence
[11:35] <apachelogger> imbrandon: well, kinda bad
[11:35] <imbrandon> ouch
[11:36] <apachelogger> we got a bad location
[11:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: how about a www.live.com search for konq ?
[11:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ....
[11:37] <Hobbsee> is windows live search any good?
[11:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm testing and I must say I'm a bit impressed
[11:38] <Tonio_> better than google sometimes
[11:38] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[11:38] <Tonio_> results are more recent and sometimes more precises
[11:39] <Tonio_> I don't mind it is microsoft stuff, google isn't any better ;)
[11:39] <Tonio_> google only does proprietary stuff  too
[11:40] <Hobbsee> true
[11:40] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  put it in - why not?
[11:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ethically, if we don't want to provide live.com because it is MS, we have to remove msn from kopere too :)
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: not exactly, but....
[11:40] <Hobbsee> i see your point
[11:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: argh another bug
[11:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:45] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: if you stop looking, you might not find the bugs :P
[11:45] <Tonio_> I can add a new search engine, but if I click one to have it in the select box, and click ok, it doesn't appear
[11:45] <Tonio_> and if I go back to the config, it isn't checked
[11:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: can you cinfirm this ?
[11:45] <Tonio_> s/cinfirm/confirm
[11:45] <Tonio_> that's an old bug afaik
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep
[11:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: now unclick the first thing "activate blabla" and reclick, then validate, it'll work
[11:47] <Tonio_> weird
[11:47] <Tonio_> the point is I think click an engine isn't seen by konq
[11:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: should be easy to fix
[11:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: the unclick the first thing "activate blah blah?"  i dont have any activate thing
[11:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, but reclick, then "apply" button comes on, and so you can apply your settings
[11:50] <Tonio_> that'll work
[11:51] <Tonio_> the point is clicking the engines button isn't seen by konq as a change
[11:51] <Tonio_> that's why it doesn't apply the settings
[11:51] <Hobbsee> right
[11:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117309
[11:52] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 117309 in general "Bug when adding search-engines to the search toolbar" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[11:52] <Tonio_> known issue
[11:52] <Tonio_> old one...
[11:53] <Tonio_> looks like there is a fix ;)
[11:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah ! it works with space indeed but not mouse click
[12:11] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can you confirm this please ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/60058
[12:11] <Tonio_> ;)
[12:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60058 in kdebase "Impossible to apply changes in search engines config popup" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[12:12] <imbrandon> yea one sec
[12:14] <imbrandon> hrm actualy i cant reporduce it
[12:14] <imbrandon> seems to work ok here
[12:14] <imbrandon> you mean open the config, lcik a box next to the search engine, then apply ... correct ?
[12:14] <imbrandon> click*
[12:15] <imbrandon> Tonio_, ^^
[12:16] <Tonio_> imbrandon: re-go in the config and look, changes are not applyed ;)
[12:16] <Tonio_> now do it with space and it works
[12:16] <imbrandon> ahh ok, yea your right
[12:17] <Tonio_> description isn't correct I agree, I forgot to mention that...
[12:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: not a problem since I am working on fixing this, shouldn't be hard
[12:17] <Tonio_>             this, SLOT(checkFavoritesChanged()));
[12:17] <Tonio_>      connect(m_dlg->lvSearchProviders, SIGNAL(spacePressed(QListViewItem *)),
[12:17] <Tonio_>             this, SLOT(checkFavoritesChanged()));
[12:17] <Tonio_> +    connect(m_dlg->lvSearchProviders, SIGNAL(clicked(QListViewItem *)),
[12:17] <Tonio_> +           this, SLOT(checkFavoritesChanged()));
[12:17] <Tonio_> +
[12:17] <Tonio_> that should do the job
[12:17] <imbrandon> yup , looks like it
[12:18] <Tonio_> sorry for the pasting ;)
[12:18] <Tonio_> I want a paste.kubuntu.org !!!!!!!!!
[12:18] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:18] <Tonio_> pastebin is shit now...... almost unusable
[12:19] <imbrandon> i can make one on imbrandon.com if you want ( or do the php code for riddell for kubuntu.org too )
[12:19] <imbrandon> if he wants
[12:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I was looking at that spec : https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-marketing
[12:19] <imbrandon> a pastebin should be simple
[12:19] <Tonio_> should we talk there about a "decent website" ? :)
[12:20] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well I can make that php code too, but that already exists, so there is no need of this :)
[12:20] <Tonio_> kubuntu.org needs love, really..... expecially compared to edubuntu or xubuntu websites
[12:21] <imbrandon> yea , Riddell said the code for it is in bzr somewhere , i might check it out, after all thats what i did for a job for many years ( a php based webdesigner )
[12:21] <Riddell> products/kubuntu-website
[12:21] <imbrandon> woot cool ;)
[12:22] <imbrandon> moins Riddell
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you be interested if I can find a (very) good webmaster to manage kubuntu.org ?
[12:22] <imbrandon> can we put a pastbin on kubuntu.org ?
[12:22] <imbrandon> ( i'll code it )
[12:22] <Riddell> imbrandon: there's no database on that server
[12:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: to do what?
[12:22] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: my best friend is kubuntu user and one of the best coders I've ever seen
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: clean code, php stuff to manage news, working on design etc.....
[12:23] <Tonio_> implementing a planet also would be nice for kubuntu, since most ubuntu planets arround are full of gnome stuff
[12:23] <Tonio_> they are not of any use for kubuntu users
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: lots of things can be done
[12:24] <Riddell> the way to fix that is to all subscribe to planet and blog kde stuff
[12:24] <Riddell> I don't want to have yet another planet to read
[12:25] <imbrandon> me either, put your blog on p.u.c and blog KDE ;)
[12:25] <imbrandon> but i agree that alot of other stuff can be made "better"
[12:25] <imbrandon> like a page with /all/ the kubuntu.org repo info and tidbits on it
[12:25] <imbrandon> would be nice
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm working on this, but I'm searching for a kubuntu theme first :)
[12:26] <Riddell> yeah, that one is a bit brown :)
[12:26] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i have a kubuntu-logo hat on my gotchi/blog ;)
[12:26] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon: may I see it ?
[12:27] <imbrandon> www.imbrandon.com
[12:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:27] <imbrandon> easy nuff
[12:27] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: well that's just my opinion, but kubuntu website looks mostly non-professionnal and unmanaged in my view...
[12:28] <Tonio_> compare to other *buntu ones
[12:28] <imbrandon> we'll we're the only ones that put "news" on there but it is a bit jumbled looking, i'm checking out a branch of the code now to see if i can do anything to help
[12:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm happy for your friend to make a bzr branch so we can look at his ideas
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will talk about that with him yes
[12:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'm building kdebase, let's hope the fix works...
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you aware of the kdeprint issue ? this is major one... I've been playing arround this all the night but didn't find the reason of this
[12:30] <imbrandon> Riddell, i got a warning you might want to see, dunno exactly what it means , but its just a warning ......
[12:30] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel$ bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jr/kubuntu-website/main kubuntu-web
[12:30] <imbrandon> Format <RepositoryFormat6> for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jr/kubuntu-website/main/.bzr/ is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: one thing is sure, the issue isn't due to our patches
[12:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: me too, but running bzr upgrade doesn't seem to fix it, not sure what to do but it seems harmless
[12:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've not looked at kdeprint no
[12:31] <imbrandon> okies, just wanted to show ya ;)
[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it is simply impossible to install a printer... the "local, usb, lpt" radio is disabled
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: bug 59502
[12:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59502 in kdebase "Impossible to install new printer with kdeprint (edgy)" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59502
[01:04] <seaLne> in a package that builds more than one binary package how do i specify what goes where? is it with .install files?
[01:05] <seaLne> if there is no .install files be default does stuff just go into the first package?
[01:06] <Riddell> seaLne: yes, with .install files
[01:08] <seaLne> ta
[01:08] <Riddell> no install files means nothing gets installed, unless copy the files there yourself in debian/rules
[01:08] <Lure> Riddell: [08:42]  <Lure> Riddell: why do we depend on language-pack-gnome-en-base?
[01:09] <Riddell> Lure: erk?
[01:09] <Riddell> Lure: what does?
[01:09] <Lure> language-pack-kde-en-base
[01:09] <Lure> apt-cache rdepends language-pack-gnome-en-base
[01:09] <Lure> Todays apt-get upgrade installed it for me - and I though I have a clean KDE system ;-)
[01:10] <Riddell> silly silly pitti
[01:11] <Riddell> hmm wait, on closer inspection it doesn't seem to
[01:13] <Lure> Riddell: maybe it was fixed inbetween?
[01:13] <Riddell> seaLne: also you need to install rule to install to debian/tmp/
[01:14] <seaLne> Riddell: as apposed to debian/$appname ?
[01:14] <Riddell> seaLne: yes
[01:15] <Lure> Riddell: interesting, apt-get remove did remove only two gnome lang packages, so it looks that I just did upgrade at wrong time...
[01:15] <Riddell> phew
[01:16] <seaLne> so debian/tmp rather than $(DESTDIR) ?
[01:17] <Riddell> depends what DESTDIR is set to
[01:17] <Riddell> it might be set to debian/tmp anyway
[01:18] <Tonio_> imbrandon: patch works :)
[01:19] <seaLne> trying to swap over to cdbs and make it multiple binary packages was probably a bad idea as i don't know why things are broken :)
[01:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I have to report it upstream
[01:19] <imbrandon> Tonio_, cool
[01:19] <imbrandon> good deal
[01:19] <imbrandon> brb breakfast time
[01:20] <Tonio_> imbrandon: bon apptit ;)
[01:24] <Riddell> seaLne: what package is this?
[01:24] <seaLne> afflib
[01:25] <seaLne> an old attempt is on revu
[01:32] <freeflying> Riddell: how about scim-chewing and scim-pinyin for dapper-updates?
[01:35] <Riddell> freeflying: I think a change like that is too big for a stable release
[01:36] <Riddell> kwwii: how's the artwork going?  seems we're already in knot 3 freeze
[01:40] <kwwii> hehe, I am still working on the kdm icons
[01:40] <kwwii> Riddell: I could give you the new wallpaper, color scheme and gradient for the window deco, it you want it
[01:40] <kwwii> or is it too late already
[01:43] <Tonio_> does someone have a floppy disk here ?
[01:44] <kwwii> Tonio_: i have a floppy, but no floppy drive anymore :p
[01:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: arf ;)
[01:44] <Tonio_> I'm trying to investigate kde bug 120619
[01:44] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 120619 in media "Mounting floppies doesn't work" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120619
[01:45] <imbrandon> none of my computers have floppy drives ;(
[01:45] <Tonio_> according to ervin this dependancy issue, but I can see the hal-system-storage-* scripts
[01:45] <Tonio_> so maybe that works on edgy...
[01:45] <Tonio_> would be nice if someone could confirm this...
[01:49] <kwwii> Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/KnotImages.tar.gz is what is done and can be included so far
[01:49] <kwwii> Riddell: note that I included a much larger wallpaper pic, so we need to edit the KDM file to reflect the new size
[01:50] <kwwii> 1920x1440, so that it works on wide screens
[01:50] <kwwii> Riddell: the icons for kdm won't be done until a bit later, as I have to go to my accountant this afternoon
[01:54] <Riddell> kwwii: thanks
[01:55] <freeflying> Riddell: then what shall I do, many guys complain that they can't use skype opera, etc.
[01:56] <Tonio_> kwwii: back to blue ? I was getting used to purple :)
[01:58] <Riddell> freeflying: we can change it in edgy and see what happens, but I'm pretty sure a change like that won't be allowed into dapper
[01:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you planning kdebase upload before end of freeze ? I have changes to add to (2 bug fixes)
[01:59] <kwwii> Tonio_: well, it is still purple
[01:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm not planning one
[01:59] <Tonio_> kwwii: well blued purple here :)
[01:59] <kwwii> exactly
[01:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay so I can prepare a package for end of freeze
[01:59] <marseillai> grrrrrrrrrr hard to make 5.1 sound work under linux!
[02:00] <Tonio_> marseillai: yup, sound on linux sucks a bit...
[02:00] <kwwii> we will see what people like more, the purple or the blue, and then we can go with that
[02:00] <freeflying> Riddell: okay,thanks
[02:00] <kwwii> I still have not found anyone who has seen the usplash
[02:00] <Tonio_> kwwii: nope, fails here too.......
[02:00] <marseillai> Tonio_: do you have an idea what i need to configure? i've tryed with alsamixer but it doesn't work! :(
[02:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: is there a launchpad bug ? cause I have to add this to KubuntuEfgyKnownProblems
[02:01] <Tonio_> marseillai: I have never been able to figure out how alsa works.... sound on linux is a mystery for me
[02:01] <kwwii> Tonio_: not that I know of
[02:01] <Lure> kwwii: kdm icons? is this suspend/hibernate actions?
[02:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: I'm reporting
[02:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: no kdebase uploads planned, what changes do you have?
[02:02] <freeflying> Riddell: can I ask for maininclusion now, because of the damn C++ ABI( scim stuffs)
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: closing bug 57066 and bug 60058
[02:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57066 in kdebase "Choosing which grub item to boot into when restarting doesn't work" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57066
[02:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60058 in kdebase "Impossible to apply changes in search engines config popup" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60058
[02:02] <imbrandon> Riddell, if you or Tonio_ do a kdebase upload before the knot can you pull out the purple patch please ( me and kwwii decided to do it diffrently )
[02:02] <Riddell> imbrandon: good point
[02:02] <kwwii> yes
[02:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: depends if Riddell autorizes me to upload hehe :)
[02:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:03] <Riddell> freeflying: well you can always try, I'm not sure that you've done enough uploads though
[02:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can you paste me your patch please ? I'll include to my current package
[02:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_, its just a removeal of an existing patch
[02:03] <freeflying> Riddell: no, I mean include scim-bridge into main  :)
[02:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: which ?
[02:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_, lemme look, one sec
[02:04] <Tonio_> thx
[02:04] <freeflying> Riddell: scim-bridge can solve many C++ ABI issues
[02:05] <Riddell> freeflying: ah right.  that's a gtk thing as far as I can tell so best to discuss it with the gnome desktop team
[02:05] <Riddell> freeflying: seb128 is on holiday today, dholbach should be around
[02:06] <freeflying> Riddell: not only gtk stuffs, scim-bridge has qt-client, it can solve the problems like we can not input in native with scim in opera skype,etc
[02:06] <Riddell> kwwii: no new kdm theme then?
[02:06] <imbrandon> Riddell, hrm what was that patch called, i'm looking for it for Tonio_
[02:06] <kwwii> Riddell: I could give you one with funky icons, but that would make more bugs than do good
[02:06] <Riddell> freeflying: in that case the package description needs fixed :)
[02:06] <Riddell> kwwii: ok, we'll wait
[02:06] <kwwii> Riddell: can we still include a new one after knot?
[02:06] <Riddell> kwwii: sure
[02:07] <Riddell> imbrandon: isn't it in kdelibs?
[02:07] <kwwii> cool
[02:07] <imbrandon> ahh thats right it was kdelibs
[02:07] <kwwii> I should probably be done sometime tonight
[02:07] <freeflying> Riddell: I haven't uploaded the latest one :p
[02:08] <freeflying> Riddell: I'm working on it, cause it need split into at least three binaies
[02:08] <imbrandon> Tonio_, its kubuntu_58_aboutpage_artwork.diff.uu ( and the cahnge to the debian/rules ) in kdelibs
[02:08] <imbrandon> Riddell, ^^
[02:08] <imbrandon> brb phone
[02:08] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ah kdelibs
[02:08] <Tonio_> imbrandon: is there a bug opened by this patch or not ?
[02:10] <imbrandon> Tonio_, no , no bug, we ( kwwii me Riddell ) decided not to use it ( it was what made all the about pages purple )
[02:10] <kwwii> Lure: yes, I am trying to get rid of the text :-)
[02:11] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay
[02:11] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'm preparing the package, but it'll have to wait for freeze end I assume
[02:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: unless you want to have clean colors for knot3 ?
[02:11] <kwwii> Tonio_: the patch was not whole, so it created a bug
[02:11] <imbrandon> i /think/ Riddell can approve that since we dont really want that in knot3
[02:11] <Riddell> freeflying: the current package depends on gtk and cairo and stuff, hopefully the new one won't have to for the qt side
[02:11] <kwwii> Lure: sorry, I missed your question till now :-)
[02:13] <freeflying> Riddell: sure, it do  :)
[02:13] <Lure> kwwii: npb
[02:14] <Lure> kwwii: and thanks for 1920x1200 wallpaper ;-
[02:14] <Lure> ;-)
[02:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: kdelibs package is ready
[02:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: want it uploaded for knot3 or not ?
[02:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: what do we have now?
[02:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: well we have this :
[02:16] <kwwii> Lure: well, it is 1920x1440 so it will be scaled on your monitor, but at least it fits :-)
[02:16] <Lure> kwwii: that is fine - just that I do not get random trash on the right ;-)
[02:16] <kwwii> ;-)
[02:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture5.png
[02:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: nasty...
[02:17] <Tonio_> would be better without that bug ;)
[02:18] <kwwii> if you squint your eyes you hardly see it at all!
[02:18] <kwwii> :p
[02:18] <Tonio_> kwwii: hehe
[02:18] <Tonio_> kwwii: is there a launchpad bug concerning this ?
[02:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: so kdelibs to fix artwork, kdebase to fix grub and search and k-d-s with kwwii's artwork
[02:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: could I see a debdiff of your kdebase?
[02:19] <kwwii> Tonio_: nope, it is a known issue
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[02:20] <kwwii> btw...the file "windowdecotest_new3.png" in that tar.gz is an improved gradient for the window decoration
[02:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23207 here is kdebase debdiff
[02:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdelibs one is just patch removal no no need to debdiff I think :)
[02:24] <mbiebl> Tonio_: about the problem with usplash, have you checked that /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so points to the correct theme?
[02:25] <Tonio_> mbiebl: I think yes but let me check ;)
[02:25] <kwwii> bll
[02:25] <kwwii> bbl
[02:26] <mbiebl> I had to run update-alternatives --conf manually. After that the usplash worked fine (more or less)
[02:26] <Tonio_> mbiebl: hum, that's it you're right......
[02:27] <mbiebl> update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so should fix it
[02:27] <Tonio_> kwwii: link to /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so instead of /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so
[02:28] <Riddell> kwwii: did you have changes to make to the kwin settings?
[02:31] <kwwii> Riddell: yes, the window deco overlay gradient in that tar.gz
[02:31] <Riddell> kwwii: I got that, but you were talking about shade on the text and window border size
[02:32] <kwwii> turn off shadowed text in windodeco
[02:32] <kwwii> change window border to 3
[02:32] <kwwii> round top corners
[02:33] <Riddell> Borderwidth=4 currently
[02:33] <kwwii> Riddell: exactly, we should reduce it one pixel
[02:34] <Riddell> kwwii: done
[02:34] <Tonio_> mbiebl: rebooting to test usplash, will let you know
[02:34] <kwwii> Riddell: killer
[02:36] <Tm_T> :)
[02:37] <kwwii> not sure exactly what I am getting on my computere, but I do not even have /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so
[02:38] <Riddell> kwwii: do you have /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so ?
[02:38] <mbiebl> Yeah, that's why /etc/alternatives/ubuntu-artwork.so is a dangling symlink
[02:38] <kwwii> Riddell: yes, I have that
[02:38] <kwwii> so I should link to that instead of the funky /etc link
[02:38] <kwwii> ?
[02:39] <Tonio_> mbiebl: the update-alternatives doesn't work hare...
[02:39] <mbiebl> Tonio_: did you update your initrd?
[02:39] <kwwii> yeah, it complains here too
[02:39] <kwwii> update my initrd? why don't I just do that whole thing by hand
[02:40] <Tonio_> mbiebl: nope, but there is something weird in the output, I must say I don't understand
[02:40] <kwwii> boah, I can see 16 color usplash coming back to haunt me
[02:40] <Tonio_> mbiebl: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23208
[02:40] <mbiebl> /etc/alternatives/ubuntu-artwork.so has to point to the correct *.so file, then update your initrd
[02:41] <Tonio_> mbiebl: I can't let it point to the correct one, look at the log :)
[02:41] <mbiebl> You can fix the symlink with update-alternatives, after that run update-initramfs -u
[02:41] <kwwii> Tonio_: I got that same error (but in english)
[02:41] <Tonio_> mbiebl: ah !!
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: that can be fixed in kds package easilly, just adding the update-alternative thing to postinst, no ?
[02:42] <Riddell> we already have it
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[02:43] <Riddell> but it's probably missing something to fix it if you already have an alternative for kubuntu
[02:43] <mbiebl> Did older versions of kubuntu-artwork-usplash install /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so
[02:44] <mbiebl> If so, postinst should probably delete the old alternative first and the install the new one.
[02:44] <Tonio_> mbiebl: it is supposed to ;)
[02:44] <Riddell> mbiebl: yes
[02:45] <kwwii> so, do I need to link uspash-artwork.so to usplash-theme-kubuntu.so? in /usr/lib/usplash?
[02:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah !
[02:45] <Tonio_> ./debian/kubuntu-artwork-usplash.prerm:    update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so
[02:45] <Tonio_> shouldn't we s/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so/kubuntu-splash.so there ?
[02:45] <kwwii>  I think I will wait until Tonio_ get's it figured out and then ask him :p
[02:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think we are not removing the good one :) I'm testing this
[02:46] <Riddell> kwwii: rm /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so; sudo ln -s /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so
[02:46] <Hobbsee> boo
[02:47] <Riddell> it's Hobbsee!
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it is!
[02:49] <kwwii> I'll reboot on the way out...see you all later
[02:49] <Hobbsee> oh dear, now your'e both covered in water.
[02:49] <imbrandon> wow , it looks like i have a GOOD chance at that job in spain
[02:50] <imbrandon> that would be awesom
[02:50] <Hobbsee> nice!  what job is this?
[02:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: got it ;)
[02:50] <imbrandon> Warp Networks ( ebox ) , one of the guys posted it on planet.k.o
[02:50] <kwwii> imbrandon: then you could come and visit me much cheaper :-)
[02:50] <imbrandon> kwwii, haha yea
[02:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: sudo update-alternatives --remove-all usplash-artwork.so removes it correctly
[02:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: tested in kds here, it works correctly
[02:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm fixing...
[02:51] <mbiebl> Tonio_: this should have been called by the old kubuntu-artwork-usplash package.
[02:51] <Tonio_> mbiebl: probably yes
[02:52] <mbiebl> Not by the new one.
[02:52] <imbrandon> Hobbsee,  i sent them my CV and they replied within the hour ( 3 times ) and just interviewed me on IRC ( oftc )
[02:52] <Tonio_> mbiebl: also, that's not an issue removing and reinstalling everytime
[02:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice :)
[02:53] <Tonio_> mbiebl: well the point is that it will need 2 update of the package for the fix to apply...
[02:54] <Riddell> mbiebl: the link is only removed in the .prerm if the package is removed, not if it's upgraded
[02:54] <mbiebl> You could upload a version, which calls update-alternatives --remove-all usplash-artwork.so in postinst
[02:54] <mbiebl> before adding the new one.
[02:54] <Riddell> mbiebl: that seems like the best idea
[02:54] <Riddell> well, not --remove-all
[02:54] <mbiebl> But keep the current prerm as it is.
[02:54] <Riddell> just remove the kubuntu one
[02:54] <mbiebl> Ah, right ;-)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> oh yay, my kdenetwork changes went in.
[02:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't work unfortunatelly, I haven't been able to remove it with standard --remove foo bar thing
[02:57] <Riddell> update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, and that failed here
[02:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: is your alternatives in manual or auto?
[02:57] <Riddell> update-alternatives --display usplash-artwork.so
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: how to check this ?
[02:57] <Riddell> first line with that command
[02:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: currently auto
[02:58] <Tonio_> but I removed the old one so I can't check
[02:59] <marseillai> there's no alsaconf under ubuntu ???? :|
[03:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: only way I found to remove was --remove-all, but that can be a local issue....
[03:00] <jdong> marseillai: who uses that anymore :P
[03:00] <marseillai> me
[03:00] <Tonio_> can someone confirm please ?
[03:00] <marseillai> to try to configure 5.1
[03:00] <Hobbsee> argh.  trying to eat foil is a bad idea.
[03:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: please ? :)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sorry, confirm what how?
[03:01] <Tonio_> sudo update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so && ls -l /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so
[03:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: do you get one line output after this ?
[03:02] <GNUrante> Hi
[03:02] <Hobbsee> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 2006-09-08 08:01 /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so -> /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ^
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: so it looks like globally failing.... is there a way to force this ?
[03:02] <Tonio_> appart from --remove-all of course :)
[03:03] <Riddell> hi GNUrante
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: use --removal-all, then add the new one :P
[03:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: it worked for me
[03:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that'll impact people using both gnome and kde....
[03:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum.... strange
[03:03] <GNUrante> Riddell: Hi! =)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: point
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, but you have a strange system :P
[03:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: +1 ^^
[03:04] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:04] <Tonio_> the point is that we don't know how to do this propperly.....;
[03:04] <Tm_T> is that official voting? then +1 from me too
[03:04] <Tm_T> ;--P
[03:05] <Lure> Tm_T: only KCC is allowed to vote ;-)
[03:05] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[03:05] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:05] <Tm_T> ok, count that as "support" then ;)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> maybe we should allow everyone else half a vote.  or quarter vote or something.
[03:05] <Lure> and Riddell cannot vote as his system is in question ;-)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:06] <mbiebl> Tonio_: if update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so does not work for you, it also explains why the old prerm did not successfully remove the alternative.
[03:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can do as you say, give the package to Hobbsee and see if it works better in a package :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: lol
[03:07] <Tonio_> mbiebl: well I never removed the package, only updated it, so prerm didn't apply
[03:07] <Hobbsee> s/ Riddell / Tonio_ /
[03:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I was serious :) I'm packaging right now
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sure, okay
[03:07] <mbiebl> iirc prerm is also called on updates.
[03:08] <Tonio_> mbiebl: ah ?... I will have learned something today ^^
[03:09] <Tonio_> mbiebl: I always though prerm was avoided during updates...
[03:09] <Tonio_> okay so we don't have any solution...
[03:09] <Riddell> mbiebl: it has a case) remove statement
[03:09] <mbiebl> Riddell: that's why it does not properly upgrade
[03:09] <jjesse> morning
[03:10] <Tonio_> mbiebl, Riddell: no it failed because the removal command is incorrect
[03:10] <Tonio_> update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so
[03:11] <Tonio_> that's not the good command, so it might explain why upgrades didn't fix this
[03:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's correct for the current package
[03:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but that will not remove old thing, unless the good command has been use on previous versions
[03:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: try http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-artwork-usplash_6.10-32_i386.deb
[03:12] <Hobbsee> 404'd
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: 404'd
[03:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: too quick for me.... build is still running here
[03:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: try http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-artwork-usplash_6.10-32_i386.deb
[03:13] <mbiebl> Tonio_: yes, that's why I suggested to remove the old one in *postinst* before installing the new one.
[03:13] <Tonio_> mbiebl: yup, you wwere right indeed :)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  what am i doing then?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~/Desktop$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so
[03:13] <Hobbsee> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 2006-09-08 08:01 /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so -> /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so
[03:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: weird.......
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: rather
[03:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what does this give you?  update-alternatives --display usplash-artwork.so
[03:14] <GNUrante> what do you think about a screensaver for Kubuntu like this: http://www.gnuton.org/blog/projects/kdescreensaverkcad/ ?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~/Desktop$ update-alternatives --display usplash-artwork.sousplash-artwork.so - status is manual.
[03:14] <Hobbsee>  link currently points to /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so
[03:14] <Hobbsee> /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so - priority 15
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Current `best' version is /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so.
[03:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you have it manual, that's the problem
[03:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably same for me
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: likely to be the default
[03:15] <Riddell> fixed by  sudo update-alternatives --auto usplash-artwork.so
[03:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: great
[03:16] <Riddell> the default is auto
[03:16] <Tonio_> GNUrante: any screenshot available ?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: the ones on that page, it looks like
[03:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I can't see them.......
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: http://www.gnuton.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/KCad2.0_3.thumbnail.png
[03:18] <Hobbsee> goes from 1-3 (the last digit)
[03:18] <Tonio_> GNUrante: you're blog's code is crappy :)
[03:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes it works in firefox
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah.  you were trying in konq or something?
[03:18] <GNUrante> see http://www.gnuton.org/blog/projects/kdescreensaverkcad/ version (with windoze logo)
[03:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe, yes, it looks like my adblock rules are a bit violent :)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heh
[03:19] <Tonio_> GNUrante: sorry, local issue :)
[03:19] <GNUrante> Tonio_: why it's crappy?
[03:19] <GNUrante> Tonio_: :P
[03:19] <GNUrante> =)
[03:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: now restart the -remove command
[03:19] <Tonio_> and then ls -l again
[03:19] <Tonio_> you should see a different
[03:20] <Hobbsee> ahhh...yep
[03:20] <Tonio_> s/t/ce
[03:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what now ?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~/Desktop$ sudo update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so && ls -l /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so
[03:20] <Hobbsee> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 2006-09-12 23:20 /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so -> /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so
[03:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe :)
[03:20] <Hobbsee> it's in green, not red, too
[03:20] <Hobbsee> maybe you need to set it to auto before running your other command?
[03:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you doing the package or do you want me to do the stuff in postinst ?
[03:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: should be auto
[03:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: retry the --display command
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i dont think i've changed the defaults
[03:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: neither did I.....
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, now it's set to auto
[03:22] <Tonio_> okay, cool :)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what i'm suggesting is, check if it's set to auto to begin with, if not, change it, then do the whole remove thing
[03:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we can simply force it to auto in any case, that shouldn't cause any issue
[03:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm doing it (along with ken's artwork)
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that works too
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, and just one last thing, are you upload kdebase or can I do it eventually ?
[03:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: I just asked mithrandir for permission, no reply yet
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, let's wait. kdelibs is ready here too
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have to check is the alternative is set to manual for most dapper users, since in that case, the workarround cannot be temporary... we would have to keep it for distro updates
[03:30] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, wow i just found out / realized atleaste 2 of the head guys for this company in spain are DD KDE maintainers ;)
[03:30] <imbrandon> this could turn out to be cool
[03:30] <Riddell> imbrandon: issac and dato?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe.  so you can use their power anyway, even if you dont get the job
[03:31] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea
[03:32] <Tm_T> Tonio_: ahoy
[03:32] <imbrandon> Riddell, i'm on oftc talking to them now
[03:32] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, heheh
[03:32] <Tonio_> Tm_T: none of those guys didn't even respond to me........
[03:32] <Tm_T> usplash-artwork.so - status is auto. link currently points to /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so
[03:32] <Tm_T> /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-default.so - priority 10
[03:32] <Tm_T> Current `best' version is /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so.
[03:32] <Tm_T> /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so - priority 50
[03:32] <Tonio_> Tm_T: okay you are in auto
[03:33] <Tonio_> Tm_T: none of those bastards didn't even took a second to help us..........
[03:33] <Tonio_> Tm_T: and we're working for them....... that sucks
[03:33] <Tm_T> well, sometimes there's only "passive" newbies
[03:34] <Tm_T> I think many active users are gone somewhere else
[03:34] <Tonio_> and the same guys will shy if usplash doesn't work after update......
[03:34] <Tm_T> yup
[03:34] <Tonio_> this is why I don't accept they don't repond, since they'll be the very first to shy...
[03:35] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I said what I had to say...
[03:36] <Tm_T> ugh
[03:36] <Tonio_> damn that's incredible, I am totally ignored......
[03:37] <Tonio_> just a 3 seconds contrib is too much for them...
[03:37] <Tm_T> I think we need channel to more skilled and/or active users
[03:37] <Tm_T> -offtopic was it, for awhile, it changed after time
[03:37] <Tonio_> Tm_T: well they are active, but they just don't give a shit in helping, looks like
[03:38] <Tm_T> Tonio_: active as ready to help
[03:38] <Tm_T> and interested to know how thing works
[03:38] <Tonio_> Tm_T: yes...
[03:38] <Tm_T> not just "help me"
[03:38] <Tonio_> Tm_T: no need ot understand how it works...
[03:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: no reply from mithrandir, lets just upload and see what happens
[03:38] <Tonio_> Tm_T: they just have to paste the command I said in konsole and gimme the response...
[03:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'm uploading kdebase and kdelibs
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you can take the yelling later, yeah :P
[03:39] <Tm_T> =)
[03:39] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I'll poke active ones, one second
[03:41] <Tm_T> man, ssh is slow over gprs :-P
[03:41] <Tonio_> Tm_T: ;)
[03:41] <Tonio_> Tm_T: you see, that's THE problem of FLOSS...
[03:42] <Tm_T> ok, "yes"
[03:42] <Tm_T> auto seems to be there
[03:42] <Tonio_> Tm_T: to many fanatics trying to "spread the oss spirit" and that are simply egotists, not ready to even help a second....
[03:43] <Tonio_> Tm_T: cool, although I would have liked 10 or 20 responses to be sure, since Hobbsee and I got manual without any change from us...
[03:43] <Tm_T> hmm, several auto responses this far
[03:43] <Tm_T> (4)
[03:43] <Tonio_> Tm_T: cool
[03:43] <Tonio_> pv asking ?
[03:44] <Tm_T> pv?
[03:44] <Tonio_> private asking
[03:44] <Tm_T> no, just asked in finnish channels :p
[03:44] <Tonio_> Tm_T: finish guys are nice :)
[03:45] <Tm_T> less "newbie" fuss and more action
[03:46] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I'll ping you when I have 10 similar responses
[03:46] <Tonio_> Tm_T: thanks :)
[03:53] <seth|away> what command should I run, Tonio_?
[03:54] <Tm_T> update-alternatives --display usplash-artwork.so
[03:54] <seth> alright, one sec, booting the edgy box
[03:54] <Tonio_> seth: and tell me if you have manuel or auto setting :)
[03:56] <Hobbsee> oh darn it!
[03:56] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why's that?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i was going to put my laptop on to charge for uni tomorrow, and i completely forgot.  so now the battery is almost dead.
[03:57] <seth> Tonio_, manual
[03:58] <Tonio_> seth: okay, dapper native install or breezy update ?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: s/dapper/edgy/ && s/breezy/dapper/
[04:00] <Tm_T> Tonio_: all auto in dapper systems, it seems
[04:00] <seth> Tonio_, dapper native install -> edgy dist-upgrade
[04:00] <seth> Tonio_, on my dapper native install it is set to auto
[04:01] <seth> (different computer)
[04:01] <seth> Hobbsee, erm, there's nothing wrong with charging a lappy overnight
[04:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: it looks like something happens during the update that changes from auto to manual...
[04:01] <seth> it will stop charging when it is 100%
[04:01] <Tonio_> most dapper users have auto and edgy users have manual settings
[04:02] <Hobbsee> seth: yes.  i've yet to have it catch fire or something.  but still.  i'm paranoid :P
[04:02] <seth> too paranoid
[04:02] <imbrandon> okies i need to go take a ( short ) nap before the TB meeting today , see you all in a few hours ( about 4 so i'm awake in time ) gnight Riddell / Hobbsee / Tonio_ and everyone
[04:02] <seth> paranoia should never affect your daily routine :P
[04:02] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon
[04:02] <Hobbsee> seth: true that.  ish.
[04:03] <seth> hmm
[04:03] <seth> :(
[04:04] <seth> but my name is embroidered on them and everything
[04:04] <seth> now people won't call me Dr. Seth
[04:04] <seth> yay
[04:04] <Hobbsee> seth: surely they call you Dr. Kinast
[04:04] <Hobbsee> i never miss.
[04:04] <seth> I'm off to the lab
[04:04] <Hobbsee> cya seth|away
[04:05] <seth|away> bye Hobbsee <3
[04:06] <Tm_T> Tonio_: ok, just one dapper with "manual", he don't remember if he had do something to it himself
[04:08] <Tonio_> Tm_T: that's really strange....
[04:09] <Tonio_> Lure: concerning optical medias bug, the problem is that the patches are already in
[04:10] <Tonio_> but they have been added to long ago to be the latest, that's why I don't understand...
[04:10] <Tonio_> Lure: looks like latest ones are not on the page
[04:10] <Tonio_> _Sime_: ping ? ;)
[04:10] <Tonio_> Lure: and also the issue is still there :)
[04:15] <imbrandon> ok one quote that made my day better , then i'm REALLY off to sleep ;) [08:16]  <koke> yep, that's why I think a "debuntu" conference would help everybody
[04:15] <kwwii> re
[04:15] <kwwii> so my usplash fails because it cannot find the screen size
[04:23] <jdong> what's this about kubuntu going blue again?
[04:23] <kwwii> hehe
[04:23] <kwwii> it is a test to decide which one people like more, and it is not totally blue
[04:23] <jdong> I see
[04:23] <Hobbsee> how blue is this?  screenshot?
[04:25] <kwwii> it is another variation on the one we already used, don't worry
[04:25] <kwwii> I like the older one better, but I put this one in to appease a few people
[04:25] <kwwii> and get everyones opinion
[04:26] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:34] <kwwii> Hobbsee: get http://bootsplash.org/KnotImages.tar.gz it is in there
[04:38] <Hobbsee> nice
[04:38] <Tonio_> allee: I'm on bug 59334
[04:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59334 in kubuntu-default-settings "Wrong language and country in kdeglobals" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59334
[04:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: I think raphink looked at that
[04:39] <Tonio_> allee: it looks like back to english is due no language detected, and it's hardcoded in the source, that's the first point :)
[04:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? yes he did but afaik he didn't found still... maybe I'll have more chance...
[04:39] <kwwii> screenshot here: http://bootsplash.org/snapshot2.png
[04:41] <kwwii> I get the feeling that people might like the last wallpaper better
[04:44] <Lure> Tonio_: are you sure? _Sime_ updated one and is still on "Pending" list...
[04:45] <jdong> kwwii: the new one doesn't look too bad
[04:45] <GNUrante> bye!
[04:47] <kwwii> jdong: yes, but which one is better?
[04:47] <Tonio_> Lure: yes but that's it, the patches are already in...
[04:47] <jdong> kwwii: personally, I think the new one is better
[04:47] <kwwii> of course they are all good...I made them! :p
[04:47] <kwwii> hehe
[04:47] <Tonio_> Lure: and the issue isn't resolved here so that's why I would like to make a point with him first :)
[04:47] <jdong> kwwii: I'm not that fond of the yellowish hues
[04:47] <kwwii> I was also thinking about saving the blue version for edgy+1
[04:47] <Tonio_> Lure: you can check kdebase and kdelibs sources, patches are in
[04:47] <kwwii> kinda do a bit of work in advance
[04:47] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, then we should update wiki page..
[04:48] <kwwii> :-)
[04:48] <jdong> kwwii: it looks like ubuntu seeped into kubuntu's laundry and the colors never washed out all the way :)
[04:48] <Tonio_> Lure: no since there is a difference with the supposed date of the patches
[04:48] <Tonio_> Lure: they have been added before supposedly written, that's why I think patches on the page are not the latest ones
[04:48] <Tonio_> supposed to be but they are not
[04:49] <kwwii> jdong: I kinda liked it because it drew the two projects back together a bit
[04:49] <jdong> kwwii: no! not supposed to happen! never!
[04:49] <jdong> :)
[04:49] <jdong> we infiltrate them... not vice versa :)
[04:50] <jdong> it's the gtk QT engine, not the qt GTK engine :)
[04:50] <kwwii> hehe
[04:50] <jdong> but either way, both schemes look good to me.. I don't have that big a preference :)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> mind you, i'm currently annoyed at how difficult it is to get the bsod screensaver in kubuntu.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> looks like you need xscreensaver-data-extra, but need to have xscreensavers installed for it to work.
[05:02] <Tm_T> mooh
[05:02] <Tm_T> kwwii: played around with that curve thing and one logo: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current-temp.png
[05:02] <Tm_T> grey background is by kdesktop
[05:03] <kwwii> that looks much classier
[05:04] <Tm_T> heh
[05:08] <bddebian> Heya
[05:16] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: that gradient looks heaps better
[05:16] <Hobbsee> and not fair, you're using the crystal icons, for screenshots :P
[05:17] <Hobbsee> bedtime.
[05:18] <kwwii_> at least someone says nice things to me
[05:18] <Tm_T> :)
[05:19] <Tm_T> kwwii_: you will be good soil to trees
[05:19] <Tm_T> isn't that nice ;)
[05:19] <Tm_T> food and sleep ->
[05:21] <kwwii_> hehe
[05:26] <nixternal> ktorrent 2.0.2. is this going to be in Knot 3 or no?
[05:29] <jdong> nixternal: I doubt it from the way it looks
[05:29] <jdong> all the info for a UVF exception has been sitting there for a week, no activity
[05:33] <Tonio_> kwwii_: sudo usplash works here, but fails at boot. Probably due to the resolution detection I assume
[05:37] <Tonio_> allee:
[05:37] <Tonio_> cat kdebase-3.5.4/kcontrol/locale/default/Makefile.am
[05:37] <Tonio_> kcm_locale_data_DATA = entry.desktop
[05:37] <Tonio_> kcm_locale_datadir = $(kde_locale)/en_US
[05:37] <kwwii_> Tonio_: yeah, Kaimon told me he is fixing something
[05:38] <Tonio_> allee: I'm now wondering if bug 59334 is a real bug or a "feature"
[05:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59334 in kubuntu-default-settings "Wrong language and country in kdeglobals" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59334
[05:38] <hunger> Why is my freenode setup in konversation suddenly hijacked to irc.ubuntu.com?
[05:38] <nixternal> Riddell: the HWDB, is that installed by default in Knot 3?
[05:38] <Tonio_> allee: would be interesting to compare with another distro
[05:39] <jdong> hunger: because mez wrote a patch to do that :)
[05:39] <jdong> hunger: irc.ubuntu.com points to whatever irc server ubuntu is using
[05:39] <jdong> at the time, freenode
[05:39] <hunger> jdong: I do not care which server ubuntu is using! I want to use freenode.
[05:39] <Riddell> nixternal: yes
[05:39] <jdong> hunger: change it back :)
[05:40] <nixternal> how do you access it?
[05:40] <jdong> hunger: and tell mez to stop hijacking your IRC settings :)
[05:40] <hunger> jdong: Would you guys please stop messing with the stuff I have configured? I spend time configuring my system the way I want it. It is extremly impolite to keep changing stuff with each upgrade.
[05:40] <jdong> hunger: dude, you're using a development branch....
[05:40] <hunger> jdong: Sorry, that was not meant for yoou.
[05:41] <hunger> jdong: What does that have to do with it?
[05:41] <jdong> hunger: you won't get a lot of the setting changes (i.e. themes, etc) that come with the newer release unless the package changes it
[05:41] <hunger> jdong: I do expect the occassional breakage and I do not mind that. But I do mind people changing the stuff I configured.
[05:41] <Tonio_> [17:41]  <-- _: Huahua ajoute le pseudo et %2 l'objectif"I will be back!" a quitt ce serveur (%2).
[05:41] <nixternal> irc.ubuntu.com == irc.freenode.net
[05:42] <Tonio_> hurgh ! is that french translation related issue or ?
[05:42] <jdong> Tonio_: lol, I don't think that french translation was done right... :)
[05:42] <Tonio_> jdong: hum..........
[05:42] <Tonio_> jdong: works for you ?
[05:43] <Tonio_> trying with english...
[05:43] <hunger> Configuration is user data just like text documents, etc. That should be sacrosanct for packages to mess with.
[05:43] <jdong> but the "ajoute le pseudo et %2 l'objectif" part really concerns me :)
[05:43] <jdong> [11:43]  <-- Tonio_ has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[05:43] <jdong> [11:43]  --> Tonio_ has joined this channel (n=tonio@179.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net).
[05:44] <jdong> that was good, Tonio_
[05:44] <Tonio_> okay I'm in english...
[05:44] <Tonio_> can someone leave and join please ?
[05:44] <Tonio_> jdong: yes but can be locale issue maybe
[05:45] <Tonio_> okay it works....... let's go to rosetta
[05:46] <jdong> while we're complaining about konversation.... why is the hotkey for moving the tab up alt+shift+left?
[05:46] <jdong> wouldn't say.... UP.. make more sense?
[05:46] <allee> Tonio_: Could you confirm the bug?  AFAIR when I installed Kubuntu in German the desktop came up in with german translations too (dapper)
[05:47] <Tonio_> allee: yes, that's not the bug ;)
[05:47] <Tonio_> allee: the only thing concerns clicking "defaults"
[05:47] <allee> Tonio_: side note: instead of post inst I would suggest to use Language[e] = or something like this.
[05:47] <Tonio_> allee: when I install in french kde comes with french, but if I click defaults, then kde switches to en_US
[05:48] <allee> Tonio_: ah, the defaults  I remember this problem.
[05:48] <Tonio_> allee: kubuntu language out of the box doesn't bug at all
[05:48] <allee> Tonio_: I'm not sure but I remember lots of fixes for kcm modules, that sound like fixing exactly this bug
[05:48] <Tonio_> only that default thing... and looking at kdebase code, it looks like a "wanted feature", not a bug
[05:48] <Tonio_> allee: in svn ?
[05:49] <allee> Tonio_: yes, 3_5_branch
[05:49] <allee> wait ...
[05:49] <Tonio_> allee: okay ;)
[05:51] <nixternal> Riddell: any blog links or regular links for:  "Hibernate on Logout" and "Power Manager Changes" as well as "Gamma Page/Display Config from sime"?
[05:52] <allee> Tonio_: wb
[05:52] <allee> Tonio_: it was helio. Lots of commits like: Setting module to use system defaults
[05:52] <Tonio_> allee: ;)
[05:53] <allee> Tonio_: maybe ping him on #kde-devel?  From the commits msg and some Re: I think he addressed the problem but better ask him.  Maybe I'm wrong
[05:53] <Tonio_> allee: would be interesting to bet a patch and test maybe no ?
[05:55] <allee> Tonio_: asking him first or do a branch pull kcm/ of kdebase  (he did lots of fixes for other modules too)
[05:56] <Riddell> nixternal: nope
[05:56] <Tonio_> allee: will do, thanks for the tip :)
[05:56] <Riddell> nixternal: hwdb is in the menu, install hwdb-kde to find it
[05:56] <nixternal> oh. so it has to be installed manually right now then?
[05:57] <allee> Tonio_: most of this happened 22nd of August
[05:57] <Tonio_> allee: interesting ;)
[05:58] <allee> Tonio_: filtering kde-commits ML is really interesting read ;)
[05:59] <Tonio_> allee: yup, I should subscribe to this :)
[05:59] <allee> Tonio_: NOOOOO
[05:59] <Tonio_> allee: ?
[05:59] <allee> Tonio_: there's a filter service out, where you can subscribe to only parts of kde-commits ml.
[06:00] <allee> Tonio_: kde-commits volume is huge.  Using this service is on todo since month, but too busy right now :(
[06:00] <Tonio_> allee: okay I'll have a look ;)
[06:02] <allee> toma: ^^ afair you told me one about thei kde-commits filter service?
[06:04] <Tonio_> allee: any url plz ? :)
[06:04] <allee> toma: ^^
[06:05] <allee> Tonio_: no but toma, was always good bookmark-fallback ;)  He know all the KDE goodies around in the net
[06:05] <allee> brb
[06:06] <Tonio_> allee: will remember hehe ^^
[06:07] <Tm_T> humm
[06:07] <Tm_T> http://www.derkarl.org/cvscommits.phtml
[06:07] <Tm_T> <3
[06:12] <Tm_T> rss from there, lovely
[06:22] <allee> Tonio_: http://commitfilter.kde.org/ ?
[06:28] <jdong> muahaha
[06:28] <jdong> segfaults, here I come!
[06:28] <jdong> --enable-optimize=-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -march=nocona -mfpmath=sse -freorder-blocks -fno-reorder-functions -gstabs+ -pipe
[06:43] <nixternal> crimsun: are you around at all?
[06:46] <Tonio_> allee: thanks
[06:50] <kwwii_> time for dinner
[06:50] <kwwii_> bbl
[07:04] <Tonio_> raphink: yop t'as une seconde ?
[07:04] <raphink> heu rapidement
[07:04] <Tonio_> vivi, t'as edgy la ?
[07:04] <raphink> non
[07:04] <Tonio_> ca prend 4 secondes
[07:04] <Tonio_> bon bah voila pas besoin d'en savoir plus :)
[07:04] <raphink> hh
[07:04] <raphink> je vais pas tarder  passer sous edgy
[07:05] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[07:05] <raphink> on a sorti ichthux 6.09 aujourd'hui
[07:05] <raphink> donc maintenant on passe sur edgy pour dvelopper
[07:05] <Tonio_> putain sur rosetta on peut pas afficher plus de 10 lignes a chaque fois ?
[07:05] <Tonio_> c galre pour corriger une ligne errone
[07:05] <Tonio_> mais alors galre comme jamais
[07:06] <Tonio_> raphink: on peut pas faire de recherche dans les templates ?
[07:06] <raphink> pas que je sache
[07:07] <Tonio_> waip bah pour corriger une ligne foireuse, t'es oblig de te taper TOUTES les pages
[07:44] <toma> ca va?
[07:51] <Tonio_> toma: ;)
[09:12] <seaLne> is it just doc team that can edit help.u.com pages?
[09:13] <Riddell> seaLne: I'm not sure
[09:13] <Riddell> it's certainly restricted
[09:13] <beligum> Hi all
[09:14] <beligum> somebody found time to take a look at ScreenKast yet?
[09:14] <seaLne> Riddell: i was just thinking https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto3 where it talks about just having /home encrypted should have a warning about some stuff may be exposed due to tmp files
[09:16] <seaLne> thats the main way you get evidence when investigating encrypted data :)
[09:17] <seth|lappy> beligum, link to screenkast?
[09:17] <seth|lappy> I'll take a peek
[09:19] <Lure> alybody seen allee in recent days? or any other user with multiple batteries on laptop?
[09:19] <beligum> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3048
[09:19] <beligum> you'll need libinstrudeo too: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3047
[09:22] <seth|lappy> beligum, this shouldn't be a native package, you should create it with orig and diff
[09:22] <seth|lappy> also target distro should be edgy, not unstable
[09:23] <beligum> allright, thanks (this is my first package for ubuntu, so please be gentle ;-))
[09:23] <seth|lappy> yeah, no worries :)
[09:24] <seaLne> beligum: did you look at the lintian output that is complaining about .svn dirs?
[09:24] <beligum> crap, I thought I deleted them
[09:25] <kwwii> re
[09:30] <seth|lappy> beligum, also you don't need to b-d the source package on g++ or similar build tools
[09:31] <seth|lappy> if you require a very specific version of g++, it's okay to b-d on a version, but my guess is that you don't need those at all
[09:31] <beligum> this all for libinstrudeo and screenkast ?
[09:31] <seaLne> !pbuilder
[09:31] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[09:32] <seaLne> beligum: ^
[09:32] <seaLne> that way you can check that the package builds fine with the depnds you have specified
[09:35] <beligum> how do I quickly re-build the .changes file and check it with lintian?
[09:36] <beligum> btw, thx, seaLne
[09:36] <seth|lappy> debuild -S -sa will give you a new *source.changes to run lintian on, I believe
[09:44] <crimsun> nixternal: pong
[09:45] <beligum> why do I get a "newer-standards-version 3.7.2" lintian-warning?
[09:45] <nixternal> ya, there was a guy with an issue earlier, and i figured if anyone could fix it, it was you..he has since left though
 i tried to boot ubuntu from my second hard drive but it gives me the message /bin/sh:  can't access tty; job control off  Can someone please help?
[09:45] <nixternal> it was a stock install, no nfs..
[09:45] <crimsun> dapper or edgy?
[09:45] <nixternal> i told him to email the ubuntu-users list, and hopefully someone would help him..dapper
[09:46] <crimsun> beligum: see the output from ``apt-cache madison debian-policy''
[09:46] <crimsun> nixternal: ok.
[09:48] <beligum> ok, so I need to change the control file to <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:49] <seaLne> 3.7.2 is the latest
[09:50] <seth|lappy> <IP_ADDRESS> methinks, actually?
[09:51] <seth|lappy> debian-policy |    <IP_ADDRESS> | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages
[09:51] <seaLne>  minor versions probably make not much difference
[09:53] <beligum> my god, I'm officially stupid, I'm trying to build an edgy package on dapper
[09:53] <crimsun> beligum: 3.7.2 is fine if your source package adheres to policy 3.7.2. The lintian warning is just that.
[09:54] <seth|lappy> beligum, that's what pbuilder is for... so you can build edgy packages in a clean-room environment, no matter what distro you happen to be running
[09:54] <beligum> hmm, ok
[10:02] <crimsun> imbrandon: ping
[10:03] <Lure> crimsun: he said that he will be here, so he probably felt a sleep...
[10:12] <ryanakca> kwwii: hey, I have that iconset packaged.... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3098
[10:12] <imbrandon> Riddell, crimsun ping
[10:12] <imbrandon> can you poke in the meeting
[10:13] <_beligum> q: where is the pbuilder chroot env installed?
[10:16] <seaLne> it is unpacked each time its run to ensure its clean
[10:16] <crimsun> beligum: /tmp/ if you're referring to extraction, otherwise /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz for the packed.
[10:19] <beligum> ok, thx
[10:37] <Viper550> Hello kwwii and everyone else
[10:39] <beligum> Can I just run sudo pbuilder in the directory where I unpacked the tarball and created my debian directory ?
[10:40] <kwwii> hi Viper550
[10:40] <Viper550> Any major artwork changes or minor adjustments for Knot 3?
[10:41] <kwwii> well, the bg is going to a blue-purple version
[10:41] <kwwii> the color scheme was tweaked a bit
[10:41] <kwwii> the window deco gradient was changed
[10:42] <Viper550> That's good, I thought the wallpaper was a bit weird with the bronze
[10:42] <beligum> found it, nevermind
[10:45] <beligum> lol, no, I didn't
[10:47] <Viper550> Are there any screenshots yet
[10:50] <beligum> crimsun or seth|lappy, I get this error after a "sudo debuild -S -sa"; gpg: skipped "Bram Biesbrouck<EMAIL_ADDRESS>secret key not available
[10:50] <beligum> why's that?
[10:51] <beligum> (I must admit I'm pretty new to gpg)
[10:56] <toma> beligum: do you have a secret key?
[10:56] <beligum> yes
[10:56] <toma> for which emailaddress?
[10:56] <beligum> the one specified
[10:57] <toma> sure?
[10:57] <beligum> no ;-)
[10:57] <beligum> how can I check that?
[10:58] <toma> gpg -K
[10:59] <beligum> ok, everything looks fine
[10:59] <toma> hmm, you  were in a pbuilder?
[10:59] <toma> or a debuild?
[11:00] <beligum> debuild
[11:00] <beligum> but sudo
[11:00] <toma> ah
[11:00] <beligum> should I install fakeroot instead?
[11:00] <beligum> sorry, just thinking of that
[11:00] <toma> not sure, i only use pbuilder
[11:00] <toma> but as su it will probably not find your key
[11:00] <beligum> how do I build a new source-tarball using pbuilder?
[11:01] <toma> !pbuilder
[11:01] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[11:01] <toma> ;-) it was a guess but it works ;-)
[11:01] <beligum> I guessed I needed to generate a .dsc file using debuild first, and then compile it with pbuilder
[11:01] <beligum> I already read that tutorial
[11:01] <beligum> but it doesn't present a solution :(
[11:02] <toma> create the .dsc with dpkg-source
[11:02] <toma> dpkg -b folder/
[11:02] <toma> dpkg-source -b folder/
[11:03] <toma> then run the pbuilder on the generated dsc
[11:03] <beligum> allright, thanks
[11:03] <toma> whenever you change something in folder/debian/whatever, rerun the dpkg-source command and the pbuilder
[11:04] <beligum> pbuilder using sudo, right?
[11:04] <toma> yes
[11:04] <beligum> mkay
[11:04] <toma> you can debsign it afterwards
[11:05] <toma> but then you'll have the same problem probably
[11:05] <toma> but i don't know how to solve that
[11:05] <beligum> works perfectly using fakeroot
[11:06] <toma> oh, that was su related. i forgot
[11:06] <beligum> indeed
[11:06] <beligum> ok, new problem
[11:06] <beligum> Couldn't find package libdts-dev
[11:06] <toma> imbrandon: concrats!
[11:06] <Lathiat> imbrandon: phew ;)
[11:06] <Lathiat> imbrandon: would you like a cold towels? :)
[11:07] <toma> you survived the >1 hour interigation
[11:09] <imbrandon> wow
[11:09] <imbrandon> that was a grilling ;)
[11:09] <imbrandon> thanks everyone
[11:11] <beligum> hmm, could it be that the ubuntu website and the repository are out of sync?
[11:11] <kwwii> ryanakca: ping? I just read the log, sorry I missed your comment
[11:12] <ryanakca> kwwii: lol, np
[11:12] <ryanakca> kwwii: had I given you the link?
[11:13] <Tonio_> re
[11:14] <Tonio_> kwwii: new blue colors are okay finally :)
[11:14] <kwwii> :p
[11:14] <Tonio_> kwwii: I just saw kdm stuff isn't there at the moment
[11:14] <kwwii> dude, we are reverting to the old version, just because of that comment
[11:14] <Lure> Tonio_: now you come, when imbrandon was grilled for an hour w/o any kubuntu -core-dev to cheer ;-)
[11:14] <kwwii> kdm should work, the ksplash stuff is still messed up
[11:14] <Tonio_> kwwii: my girlfriend lets you know she appreciates blue too :)
[11:14] <ryanakca> ewww... are we switching back to blue?
[11:14] <Lure> Tonio_: but he passed anyhow ;-)
[11:14] <Tonio_> Lure: yes I know, sorry but I wasn't in the mood to come...
[11:15] <Tonio_> Mother at phone since we have a little familly issue at the moment.......
[11:15] <kwwii> well, it is blue-purple
[11:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'm honnestly sorry but I couldn't be there
[11:15] <ryanakca> pity...
[11:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon:
[11:15] <Tonio_> Lure: was it okay for imbrandon ?
[11:15] <kwwii> "a little family issue" sounds like your girlfriend is pregnant
[11:15] <Lure> Tonio_: I am just teasing you - you will have to read logs to see the grill ;-)
[11:16] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, he did well
[11:16] <Tonio_> Lure: no core was there........ damn...
[11:16] <Tonio_> shame on me, really
[11:16] <Lure> kwwii: lol
[11:16] <Tonio_> Lure: is the log online ?
[11:17] <Tonio_> Lure: he's approved then ? cool :)
[11:17] <Lure> Tonio_: probably not yet, but important is this:
[11:17] <Lure> [23:06]  <mdz> imbrandon: congratulations and welcome
[11:17] <Lure> ;-)
[11:17] <ryanakca> kwwii: I think he's ignoring that comment :P
[11:17] <Tonio_> ah... so it is a temporary no and yes in a few weeks ?
[11:17] <Tonio_> kwwii: familly issue is my parents having lots of problem to accept the dog's death...
[11:18] <Tonio_> kwwii: can sound ridiculous, but well...
[11:18] <Viper550> Everyone, me and kwwii were talking about what we should do about KDE themes for Kubuntu
[11:18] <Lure> Tonio_: wrong - he got enough support
[11:18] <Tonio_> kwwii: I couldn't say to my mother crying at phone "hey I've a meeting" ;)
[11:18] <kwwii> Tonio_: sorry to give you shit
[11:18] <Tonio_> sounds loginc
[11:18] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yup i got in woot ;)
[11:18] <Tonio_> kwwii: hey, there's no problem :)
[11:19] <Tonio_> kwwii: just to explain the situation... I'm embarrassed since I promissed imbrandon to be there to support him
[11:19] <Viper550> !language
[11:19] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: beg your pardon, that's unfair...
[11:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: is there a way to read the log ?
[11:20] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ho you got mdz ? hard to attempt with him... he has hard and strong questions...
[11:20] <Tonio_> imbrandon: congrats ;)
[11:21] <kwwii> has anyone here tried the QtCurve style (and the corresponding GTK engine?)
[11:21] <imbrandon> hehe it was over one hour, and i'm sure its in the logs
[11:21] <imbrandon> 3:05 to past 4pm
[11:21] <imbrandon> ( local time )
[11:21] <Tonio_> kwwii: I did, it is not bad at all
[11:21] <ryanakca> kwwii: might have... is it new? (I've tried a pile of kde styles)... (if it isn't a KDE style, my bad :D )
[11:21] <toma> imbrandon: remind me of that when I want to apply for motu
[11:21] <imbrandon> haha
[11:22] <imbrandon> ok
[11:22] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can you put your logs online ? I'd like to read those :)
[11:22] <Viper550> Okay, QtCurve is this nice new KDE style...with a twist
[11:22] <imbrandon> Tonio_, one sec i'll look for the public link
[11:22] <kwwii> ryanakca: not too new
[11:22] <kwwii> it is very glossy
[11:22] <Lure> Tonio_: I will paste them
[11:22] <Tonio_> imbrandon: thanks
[11:22] <Tonio_> Lure: please
[11:22] <ryanakca> kwwii: link?
[11:22] <imbrandon> Lure, it should be in the public logs already
[11:23] <kwwii> ryanakca: somewhere on kde-look.org
[11:23] <Viper550> It's very configurable, but it has one great feature that will make it perfect for Kubuntu
[11:23] <kwwii> :-)
[11:23] <Viper550> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492
[11:23] <Viper550> (native Dapper package) http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40920
[11:23] <Lure> Tonio_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23258
[11:24] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks !
[11:24] <ryanakca> Viper550: which is...
[11:24] <imbrandon> Lure, thanks
[11:25] <Viper550> The theme has 2 parts, a KDE style and a GTK engine
[11:25] <ryanakca> looks nice-ish
[11:26] <Viper550> The GTK theme portion uses the QtCurve GTK engine to read the configuration for the QtCurve KDE theme, giving GTK apps like Firefox the EXACT SAME APPEARANCE
[11:26] <ryanakca> nice
[11:26] <Viper550> Alot of people have been driven away from Kubuntu because there is no GTK theme (aka in their case, Firefox doesn't look very good)
[11:27] <Lure> Viper550: that sounds nice
[11:27] <Viper550> Alot of people prefer Firefox over Konqueror due to it's popularity
[11:27] <Lure> Viper550: any side-effects for users using both GNOME and KDE on system (multiple users with different DE) - is this completely per-user?
[11:27] <Lure> Viper550: particularly GTK engine part
[11:28] <Viper550> GTK themes undeer Gnome are different than GTK themes baseline
[11:28] <kwwii> FF is a nice web browser, but nothing else
[11:29] <Viper550> Gnome gets it's GTK theme settings from the local gConf using the Gnome Settings Daemon, everywhere else, it's from the .gtkrc-2.0 file in your home directory
[11:29] <eean> I liked konqi before web 2.0
[11:29] <kwwii> hehe, web 2.0
[11:29] <kwwii> that should almost be a bad word
[11:29] <Viper550> So when you use KDE, it looks all consistent, and under Gnome, it uses your standard Gnome selection
[11:29] <eean> it is already
[11:29] <eean> I felt dirty using it
[11:30] <Viper550> Even worse, when you use a different KDE style, the color schemes will still match when using the QtCurve GTK theme!
[11:30] <nixternal> there is no way I am the only one seeding Kubuntu Edgy downloads for Knot 2
[11:31] <beligum> is there a way to apt-cache search for a package in a pbuilder chroot ?
[11:31] <Lure> Viper550: not that I care about GNOME users, but we had issues with GTK Styles and Fonts issues
[11:31] <Viper550> Like what?
[11:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon: OMG... one hour questionning...
[11:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon: congrats you did well !
[11:31] <imbrandon> Tonio_, thanks ;)
[11:32] <Tonio_> and once more I'm sorry since looking at the question I could have been helpfull....
[11:32] <Viper550> So, who's with me on the QtCurve train?
[11:32] <Tonio_> Viper550: hum, I'm not that hot
[11:32] <Lure> Viper550: gtk apps looked like shit in gnome after KDE GTK sytles were applied - Tonio fixed this in k-d-s
[11:32] <beligum> what about the questionning? I'm not following.
[11:32] <Tonio_> Viper550: it looks like qtcurve has issues with our gtk-qt-engine afaik
[11:32] <kwwii> in whiich package does one find the xserver includes?
[11:32] <Tonio_> Viper550: needs deep test before any attempt
[11:33] <kwwii> -dev?
[11:33] <Viper550> Note, this is an entirely different system! It's not the QtGTK engine that messes everything up
[11:33] <Tonio_> Viper550: yes but gtk-qt-engine has one advantage :
[11:33] <Lure> Viper550: so we qould need to drop QtGTK? That may be an issue at this point in time (after feature freeze)
[11:33] <Tonio_> respect gnome settings for kde/gnome users
[11:34] <Viper550> ???
[11:34] <Tonio_> Lure: yes especially that gtk-qt-engine does more than simply binding the theme
[11:34] <Viper550> really?
[11:34] <Tonio_> Lure: it changes scrollbars on the fly, and allow fonts synchronisation
[11:34] <Viper550> oh great...
[11:35] <Tonio_> Viper550: if we remove it, how will kde users sync the gtk fonts when they change them ? :)
[11:35] <Viper550> If you want to never mind about the GTK theme, Polyester is a bit better: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27968
[11:35] <Tonio_> Viper550: gtk-qt-engine also binds kde icons on gtk apps
[11:35] <Viper550> QtCurve binds Scrollbars, Icons, and style/colors, but not fonts unfortunatly
[11:35] <Tonio_> Viper550: fonts too ? interesting
[11:35] <kwwii> well, that doesn't build
[11:36] <Tonio_> Viper550: yes, fonts is a major point, since it is a pain to configure gtk apps fonts when you don't have gnome installed
[11:36] <Tonio_> Viper550: let's rediscuss this for edgy+1, but honnestly, this is a deep change and it is too late for this
[11:36] <Lure> Viper550: can we have universe package for testing in Edgy?
[11:36] <Viper550> Never mind, if you just want a glossy theme and not care about GTK, Polyester is nicer
[11:37] <yveslu> hi, will fontconfig 2.4 be in edgy?
[11:37] <Tonio_> Viper550: also the other advantage of gtk-qt-engine is that a user can change it's theme, gtk apps are still sync...
[11:37] <Lure> Viper550: isn't polyester in beta still?
[11:37] <Viper550> Yeah...
[11:37] <Tonio_> Viper550: with qtcurve, people that want an homogenous theme will not be able to change it...
[11:37] <Viper550> Not exactly, they are using the term "beta" because it's not 1.0
[11:37] <Tonio_> Viper550: so this question is very problematic
[11:38] <ryanakca> Viper550: it installs, but I don't see anything under "Style" in KControl
[11:38] <Viper550> Ahh ryanacka, you have to install both the KDE style and the GTK engine, 2 separate files!
[11:39] <Viper550> 1st AND 2nd file
[11:39] <ryanakca> oh
[11:39] <Viper550> But, there was a Kubuntu Dapper package too you know
[11:39] <ryanakca> Viper550: but they're different versions... (KDE 3 - 0.42.3) (Gtk 2 - 0.42.2)
[11:40] <Lure> kwwii: didn't you mention rounded upper corners today? I do not seem to get them here...
[11:40] <Viper550> I know, 0.42.3 is a KDE3 only update
[11:40] <ryanakca> ah
[11:40] <ryanakca> kk
[11:40] <ryanakca> ooh, rounded upper corners...
[11:41] <Viper550> Okay, to everyone concerned about the GTK portion...
[11:41] <ryanakca> Viper550: still doesn't show up... I installed ../QtCurve-Gtk2-0.42.2.tar.gz  ../QtCurve-KDE3-0.42.3.tar.gz   *goes back to poking it*
[11:41] <kwwii> Lure: yes, I did
[11:42] <Viper550> Compiled both...AND SET TO THE CORRECT PREFIX?
[11:42] <kwwii> Lure: but I think that is one of those things that Jonathan rather dislikes :-)
[11:42] <Lure> kwwii: so he dropped it silently ;-)
[11:42] <kwwii> well, maybe there was just too much to do :-)
[11:42] <Lure> kwwii: like disto logo instead of K icon ;-)
[11:42] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:42] <kwwii> hehe
[11:43] <nixternal> is the top right image in konqi gonna be fixed before knot 3?
[11:43] <imbrandon> Lure, yea we need that
[11:43] <Viper550> Polyester would just work better, and actually looks alot cooler than QtCurve
[11:43] <imbrandon> nixternal, it was fixed last night dodo
[11:43] <ryanakca> Lure: well... I have one of those... look for kde-icons-crystal-diamon on REVU
[11:43] <imbrandon> nixternal, update man
[11:43] <nixternal> well...apt-get update didn't fix it
[11:43] <Viper550> Crystal Diamond...WICKED!
[11:43] <nixternal> i can't update it any further
[11:43] <kwwii> Viper550: polyester is very much like lipstick, which is what we have
[11:44] <imbrandon> Viper550, we are well into UVF and also feature freeze so changing the deco now isnt a concern
[11:44] <ryanakca> Viper550: where am I supposed to install to?
[11:44] <Lure> kwwii: it has more glossy look
[11:44] <Viper550>  /usr
[11:44] <Viper550> Polyester does have a Lipstik like mode, but it's base mode is gloss
[11:44] <kwwii> hrm, I shuld try it again
[11:45] <imbrandon> nixternal, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-September/005489.html
[11:45] <Viper550> Oh yeah kwwii, on KDE look there were also Kubuntu packages
[11:45] <ryanakca> Viper550: no duh... KDE part installed to /usr/share/apps/kstyle/themes/qtcurve.themerc , GTK to /usr/share/themes/QtCurve/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[11:45] <Lure> kwwii: I would like to have it, but I am concerns with potential bugs this late in process - remember cpu load due crystal window deco?
[11:45] <kwwii> Viper550: dude, I run ppc, there are never packages on websites for me
[11:46] <Lure> s/concerns/concerned/
[11:46] <Viper550> oh, never knew that!
[11:46] <kwwii> Lure: yes, I know
[11:46] <kwwii> Lure: it would take a major action to change something now
[11:46] <kwwii> well, changing things is not soo hard, adding things would be
[11:46] <ryanakca> Viper550: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3098     feel free to review it at the same time :)
[11:47] <imbrandon> ryanakca, Viper550 isnt a MOTU ( he dosent even run {k}ubuntu ;)
[11:47] <Viper550> Yeah, I'm not MOTU, and I'm RPM based!
[11:47] <ryanakca> Oh yeah... he runs FC5, eh?
[11:47] <Viper550> Okay, I used to use Ubuntu when I joined this group
[11:47] <imbrandon> Viper550, btw there is a art channel ;)
[11:48] <Viper550> That's where the QtCurve talks began...
[11:48] <ryanakca> #kubuntu-devel-art ?
[11:48] <imbrandon> ryanakca, no
[11:48] <Viper550> Then I suggested "Let's bring it up in kubuntu-devel"!
[11:48] <imbrandon> #ubuntu-artwork
[11:48] <imbrandon> Viper550, wow bad call ;)
[11:48] <nixternal> imbrandon: thats great the kdelibs was accepted last night..but it didn't fix the blue rectangle/konqi logo
[11:48] <nixternal> i have 4 kubuntu edgy machines..just updated, and every single one has the same issue
[11:49] <Lure> nixternal: it fixed it for me...
[11:49] <imbrandon> nixternal, sure it does, it removes all the purple from the rest of it
[11:49] <Lure> nixternal: only kdm splash is still old purple...
[11:49] <nixternal> well, konqi on all 4 boxes is still blue
[11:49] <nixternal> i just installed with the latest image as well, and did apt-get updates
[11:50] <imbrandon> nixternal, as it should be
[11:50] <kwwii> Lure: we need to point the path of the slash bg to the right wallpaper
[11:50] <Viper550> And why I brought up QtCurve, is because I brought up my glossy panel
[11:50] <kwwii> ryanakca: it was my idea
[11:50] <nixternal> well, i have 4 blue konqi logos after updates..so i don't get it...is there a new repo?
[11:50] <ryanakca> kwwii: and edgy+1 will be purple?
[11:50] <imbrandon> nixternal, and just so you dont keep pulling your hair out it hasent be built yet ;)
[11:50] <kwwii> note that I am, until now, only the "artist in chief" for kubuntu for this cycle
[11:51] <imbrandon> but it will before release ;)
[11:51] <nixternal> so it is still blue then? until it has been built of course
[11:51] <kwwii> ryanakca: and it is puple
[11:51] <kwwii> the window deco is still purple, the color scheme is purple
[11:51] <nixternal> and on my ubuntu box, now i have a big dumb "Artwork Preview" on my wallpaper ;)
[11:51] <imbrandon> nixternal, it will stay blue dammit, did you not read what i said, the purple left from the rest of it though
[11:51] <kwwii> the amarok is purple (still need to improve on that)
[11:52] <nixternal> oh...there was to much "higlighting" up there
[11:52] <nixternal> why back to blue?
[11:52] <imbrandon> omg , ok your 3 days late
[11:52] <nixternal> the purple looks sweet
[11:52] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:52] <nixternal> well..i have been gone for 3 days
[11:52] <nixternal> 4 actually
[11:52] <Viper550> I brought up QtCurve because he wanted the panel to match
[11:52] <imbrandon> becouse it was too much purple, it will get redone before the final release
[11:52] <Lure> nixternal: we changed it as you said your monitor was burnt by it ;-)
[11:53] <Lathiat> so i booted kubuntu edgy knot 2 and i see that the konqi painting orange on the wallpaper for april fools was a sign of things to come.. ;)
[11:53] <nixternal> roger that
[11:53] <nixternal> haha the wallpaper yes...but the purple konqi background was nice
[11:53] <imbrandon> it was too much
[11:53] <nixternal> i still have that wallpaper as well...
[11:53] <nixternal> anyways...has the freeze occured?
[11:53] <nixternal> for knot 3
[11:53] <Lathiat> yep
[11:53] <Lathiat> see topic
[11:53] <nixternal> heh
[11:53] <nixternal> right in front of my eyes
[11:53] <Lure> nixternal: you like it now when you got the blue one? ;-)
[11:54] <imbrandon> nixternal, yes read the topic ( but that dosent mean things wont change as there is still things on the buildd's )
[11:54] <nixternal> oh well then...i won't do any artwork stuff for this release...as it hasn't changed from knot 2
[11:54] <Tonio_> Viper550: let's rediscuss this later....
[11:54] <Viper550> Actually is has
[11:54] <Tonio_> Viper550: edgy is on the way to be released and we have *much* important things to figure out
[11:55] <imbrandon> omg he gets on my LAST nerve , maybe its becouse i'm tired
[11:55] <nixternal> haha
[11:55] <imbrandon> nixternal, btw i just made core-dev \0/ yay
[11:56] <nixternal> congrats brother!!! \o/
[11:56] <nixternal> you got a big ass head, use a lower case o, otherwise you look like a freakin' conehead ;)
[11:56] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:58] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I think he his qtcurve upstream no ?
[11:58] <GNUrante> Hi!
[11:58] <Tonio_> imbrandon: he already went during breezy dev cycle if my memory is correct
[11:59] <imbrandon> Tonio_, not sure
[11:59] <kwwii> I told him no, for a shorter version of the same things you said, and he said "I'll take this to kubuntu-devel!!!"


[00:44] <cjohnston> james_w: can you guys please test the new linaro stuff
[01:02] <cjohnston> is there a URL in which its possible to test the next page?
[01:02] <cjohnston> with actual data
[02:33] <cjohnston> james_w: there seem to be a number of meetings scheduled for Linaro stuff that the BPs are either gone or superseded.. is there someone who can help track these down so they can be removed from the schedule?
[02:52] <cjohnston> mhall119: any errors since the move?
[02:55] <mhall119> not since 6:40
[02:55] <cjohnston> cool
[11:40] <daker> Woo it's UDS :/
[11:40] <daker> nigelb, mhall119 cjohnston when our session is scheduled ?
[11:44] <cjohnston> wednesday daker
[11:44] <cjohnston> nigelb: you able to help me for a few
[11:44] <nigelb> daker: Wednesday
[11:44] <nigelb> cjohnston: what's up (I'm at work)
[11:44] <cjohnston> nigelb: elmo is having trouble with the next session stuff
[11:45] <nigelb> cjohnston: ugh, on work computer. helpless :(
[11:45] <cjohnston> mhall119: you aren't here yet are you?
[11:45] <nigelb> Is there a traceback or something I can debug?
[11:48] <nigelb> cjohnston: What kind of trouble?
[11:48] <cjohnston> nigelb: how should the url work? uds-p/next?rooms=antigua-1   ?
[11:48] <cjohnston> picking the rooms
[11:48] <nigelb> who commited this stuff?
[11:48] <nigelb> even I'm not familiar.
[11:49] <cjohnston> mike did it, you approved it
[11:49] <nigelb> cjohnston: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/next?rooms=antigua-1
[11:49] <nigelb> That's working
[11:49] <cjohnston> its showing grand seirra d
[11:50] <nigelb> That's probably because there only one upcoming session?
[11:50] <cjohnston> im not sure
[11:50] <cjohnston> they are trying to test it
[11:50] <nigelb> get mike's server to test it.
[11:50] <nigelb> do you remember the IP?
[11:50] <nigelb> PM it to me please?
[11:50] <cjohnston> i dont
[11:50] <nigelb> gah
[11:51] <cjohnston> how do you do multiple rooms nigelb
[11:52] <nigelb> sec
[11:52] <cjohnston> yup
[11:52] <nigelb> cjohnston: another room name?
[11:52] <nigelb> err
[11:52] <nigelb> give me another room name
[11:52] <cjohnston> yes.. multples
[11:52] <cjohnston> antigua-2
[11:52] <cjohnston> antigua-3
[11:52] <cjohnston> antigua-4
[11:53] <nigelb> I'm guessing this should work
[11:53] <nigelb> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/next?rooms=antigua-1&antigua-2
[11:53] <nigelb> That's what I'd expect.
[11:53] <cjohnston> that doesnt work for the today schedule
[11:53] <nigelb> er, what?
[11:53] <cjohnston> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/today/?rooms=antigua-1&antigua-2
[11:53] <cjohnston> id think they should be the same
[11:54] <nigelb> I don't understand
[11:54] <cjohnston> you should be able to, on the today screen, define what rooms to show
[11:54] <cjohnston> you should also be able to, on the next screen, define what rooms to show
[11:54] <cjohnston> key word on both being rooms, not room
[11:55] <nigelb> cjohnston: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/today/?rooms=antigua-1,antigua-2
[11:55] <nigelb> \o/
[11:55] <nigelb> remind me to kick mhall about this later ^-^
[11:55] <cjohnston> lol
[11:58] <cjohnston> mhall119: when you get here, please find me.. we need to figure out how to use the /next stuff
[12:01] <nigelb> cjohnston: can you do a favor?
[12:01] <nigelb> can you get the icecast urls and put it into summit?
[12:02] <cjohnston> prolly not
[12:02] <nigelb> :(
[12:07] <cjohnston> trying to fix issues
[12:19] <cjohnston> nigelb: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/next?rooms=antigua-1,antigua-2&fakenow=2011-10-31_09:30
[12:19] <cjohnston> mhall119: nevermind
[12:20] <nigelb> cjohnston: seems to be working \o/
[12:25] <cjohnston> yes
[12:25] <cjohnston> we are happy now
[12:25] <nigelb> cjohnston: heh
[12:25] <nigelb> cjohnston: did jorge try to kill you?
[12:26] <cjohnston> no
[12:26] <cjohnston> that was elmo
[12:26] <nigelb> hehehe
[12:27] <cjohnston> both jorge and elmo were fearing for their jobs this morning, but we got them all fixed up
[12:27] <nigelb> Did you tell them we rock and always get things fixed, etc? :)
[12:28] <cjohnston> lol
[12:28] <cjohnston> nothing was broken ;-)
[12:28] <nigelb> we just didn't know to use it
[12:30] <cjohnston> yup
[12:30] <nigelb> Like we talked about last night - documentation on how to use summit.
[12:30] <cjohnston> yup
[12:30] <cjohnston> make it so number 2
[12:31] <nigelb> what's number 1? render.py?
[12:32] <cjohnston> i dunno
[12:47] <nigelb> cjohnston: (1) Stop Jorge from breaking summit :D
[12:49] <cjohnston> nigelb: it isnt locked down
[12:49] <nigelb> cjohnston: what?
[12:50] <nigelb> I see a cjohnston! http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6298679028/
[13:01] <pleia2> haha
[13:01] <nigelb> :)
[13:02] <cjohnston> thanks pleia2
[13:32] <Ronnie> cjohnston: thx for subscribing me on: Ubuntu Online Brand Guidelines blueprint. do you also know when the track itself is?
[13:33] <cjohnston> the time is today at 3 iirc
[13:35] <Ronnie> cjohnston: thx. got it :D
[13:35] <Ronnie> that will be here at 20:00 :D
[13:46] <cjohnston> do the schedule pages have auto refresh?
[13:47] <cjohnston> like http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/2011-10-31/
[14:58] <cjohnston> nigelb: ping
[14:59] <nigelb> cjohnston: whts up?
[15:00] <cjohnston> nigelb: is /today/ supposed to auto refresh?
[15:00] <cjohnston> mhall119: ^
[15:00] <cjohnston> we are getting complaints that the screens arent refreshing
[15:00] <nigelb> Its supposed to refresh
[15:00] <nigelb> I can check in a minute
[15:01] <nigelb> cjohnston: bug 884249
[15:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 884249 in summit "Weird login problem (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/884249
[15:01] <cjohnston> ya
[15:02]  * nigelb looking at auto-refresh
[15:02] <cjohnston> nigelb: im on that bug already
[15:02] <nigelb> excelelnt
[15:02] <nigelb> I'll get on the auto refresh
[15:03] <cjohnston> ty sir
[15:03] <cjohnston> are you off work
[15:04] <nigelb> yeah
[15:05] <nigelb> okay, today's definitely not auto refreshing
[15:05] <cjohnston> ok..
[15:05] <nigelb> investigating deeper.
[15:07] <nigelb> cjohnston: DUDE
[15:07] <nigelb> cjohnston: The url needs to be http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/today/?reload
[15:08] <cjohnston> can they add reload with the other stuff (the rooms stuff
[15:08] <cjohnston> )
[15:09] <nigelb> cjohnston: it works in next, by room, by track,
[15:09] <nigelb> today
[15:11] <cjohnston> nigelb: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/today/?reload&rooms=antigua-1,bonaire-3
[15:11] <cjohnston> i didnt see it refresh
[15:11] <nigelb> cjohnston: click view source
[15:12] <cjohnston> although i do see it in the source
[15:12] <nigelb> there should be two bits of javascript in the head
[15:14] <nigelb> cjohnston: your url works.
[15:14] <nigelb> I see the refesh code in there.
[15:18] <cjohnston> i passed it on
[15:18] <cjohnston> thanks nigelb
[15:18] <cjohnston> at some point ill pay attention to a session
[15:18] <cjohnston> im in the hall again now
[15:18] <nigelb> cjohnston: hehe
[15:18] <nigelb> same here
[15:18] <nigelb> I'm listening
[15:18] <nigelb> but looking at summit carefully
[16:18] <nigelb> cjohnston: ugh, the name bug is weird
[16:18] <nigelb> I can't reproduce locally.
[16:18] <cjohnston> what name bug
[16:18] <cjohnston> the username2
[16:18] <cjohnston> ?
[16:18] <nigelb> cjohnston: the one you fild with (uds-p) after the names
[16:18] <cjohnston> you see it though right?
[16:19] <nigelb> yeah
[16:20] <cjohnston> hmm
[16:22] <cjohnston> mhall119: will BPs import if the autoscheduler is turned off
[16:22] <mhall119> no
[16:22] <nigelb> cjohnston: Done, merged into trunk, merged into prod, request deploy please.
[16:23] <cjohnston> I'm going to wait until lunch time
[16:23] <mhall119> wait, lpupdate I think is the manage.py command that pulls in blueprints
[16:23] <nigelb> FUUU.
[16:23] <nigelb> right.
[16:23] <nigelb> we can turn off autoscheduler
[16:23] <cjohnston> if we can turn off the autoscheduler and the rescheduler and just have lpupdate pull the BPs and EVERYTHING else is manual
[16:23] <nigelb> Yeah
[16:23] <cjohnston> please confirm and I will make it happen
[16:23] <nigelb> that's fine
[16:23] <mhall119> ok, autoschedule tries to fill unscheduled sessions into emptyslots
[16:23] <nigelb> that's normal UDS behavior.
[16:24] <mhall119> lpupdate makes meetings from blueprints
[16:24] <nigelb> That should be cool.
[16:24] <cjohnston> if you are both ok with it, i will make it happen
[16:24] <mhall119> make it so, number one
[16:24] <nigelb> Green from me.
[16:24] <nigelb> mhall119 wins.
[16:24] <mhall119> except he's the short bald one
[16:24] <mhall119> so it's kind of reversed
[16:24] <nigelb> heh
[16:25] <cjohnston> I have requested it be turned off.. if it isnt in the next few minutes ill walk over there
[16:26] <nigelb> cjohnston: You probably want it turned off soner
[16:26] <nigelb> *sooner
[16:26] <nigelb> Its scheduled to run twice an hour I think.
[16:27] <cjohnston> nigelb: make notes on this stuff (turn off autoschedule and reschedule) etc for our notes
[16:46] <cjohnston> should we make the default for the schedule pages refresh
[16:47] <cjohnston> instead of requiring the url
[16:47] <mhall119> probably
[16:48] <mhall119> though next cycle I'd like to separate the "converence floor screens" view from the "user on a laptop" view
[16:48] <cjohnston> i agree..
[16:48] <cjohnston> but i think even the laptop page should refresh
[16:48] <cjohnston> instead of forcing the user to refresh
[16:48] <nigelb> actually, I think refresh should be default.
[16:48] <nigelb> and no refresh should
[16:48] <nigelb> be optional.
[16:48] <mhall119> I don't think so, because the laptop page shouldn't be left open
[16:48] <cjohnston> i leave it open
[16:48] <nigelb> I leave mine open :)
[16:48] <cjohnston> :-P
[16:48]  * nigelb ^5 cjohnston
[16:49] <mhall119> if someone is leaving the entire Monday schedule open for reference, we're missing some feature, because that's not the right user experience
[16:49] <cjohnston> how so?
[16:49] <nigelb> why not?
[16:49] <mhall119> because you don't care about 80%
[16:49] <cjohnston> they can't remember the 40 sessions going on next hour
[16:49] <mhall119> "you" being a generic user
[16:49] <mhall119> obviously we care about more because we're responsible for them
[16:50] <cjohnston> but with the schedule changing, they have to watch their 20%
[16:50] <cjohnston> the only thing I could see is when ?edit not refresh
[16:50] <mhall119> so let's make a per-hour view for laptop users
[16:50] <nigelb> session don't change every hour
[16:50] <nigelb> they change in-between
[16:50] <nigelb> when track-leads move them around.
[16:50] <mhall119> we have another view for just what they're registered for
[16:51] <cjohnston> mhall119: bug #839780
[16:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 839780 in summit "Create a My Schedule page (affects: 1) (heat: 3)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/839780
[16:51] <mhall119> yeah, that
[16:52] <cjohnston> we need to push for a sprint
[16:53] <nigelb> cjohnston: +1
[16:53] <mhall119> you'll have to get my manager's approval to take me away for a sprint
[16:53] <cjohnston> ill get it
[16:54] <mhall119> get rick and/or jane into the summit session then
[16:54] <cjohnston> ill try
[16:57]  * mhall119 is hungry
[18:05] <cjohnston> james_w:
[18:05] <james_w> hey cjohnston