[11:46] <waltman> Morning.
[12:11] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[12:14]  * waltman sniffles
[12:16] <JonathanD> Got a cold?
[12:17] <waltman> Pretty much the entire month. I was almost over the first, then my sister got my sick again over Christmas.
[12:18] <waltman> I really wish she'd stayed home with her laryngitis.
[12:18] <waltman> I don't quite have that yet, but it's working on me.
[12:20] <JonathanD> :/
[12:21] <waltman> http://blog.yapcna.org/post/15069556915/if-you-like-doing-unusual-things-when-you-visit-a
[12:22] <JonathanD> waltman: do you know anyone who does i* apps?
[12:22] <waltman> I don't even know what i* is.
[12:27] <waltman> Did you see http://www.hanselman.com/blog/LinkbaitHackerSlashNewsDotConsideredCancerousRequestForCallToAction.aspx ?
[12:30] <waltman> I want to fly down to like Argentina to see the comet.
[12:47] <rmg51> morning
[13:55] <JonathanD> waltman: iphone, ipad, igoldfish.
[14:13] <waltman> igoldfish?
[14:14] <waltman> I'm not sure what that's referring to, but there's an app for that!
[14:14] <waltman> I've got a koi pond app.
[18:39] <JonathanD> waltman: crissis brother was asking me if I knew anyone who did apps.
[18:56] <waltman> JonathanD: I do
[18:56] <waltman> You mean iPhone apps?
[19:01] <JonathanD> waltman: yeah.
[19:01] <JonathanD> A pretty straight forward get-info-from-webservice thign.


[01:48] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:18] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[23:28] <Metamorphosis> There was way more activity in Freenode days.
[23:45] <jeremy31> Depends on topic


[08:43] <glen> hey. can i tell code import to import some branch, not HEAD ?
[22:35] <jtaylor> whats this error about: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/163708425/buildlog.txt.gz
[22:35] <jtaylor> upstream added an utf-8 filename to the repo, is that not supported?


[00:00] <bpeterson> randomnewguy: no, revisions just show the flow off changes in time, not the version
[00:00] <bpeterson> randomnewguy: since versions are arbitrary, they are tags, a marked revision number which we assign a version number to
[00:01] <randomnewguy> im only just starting with bzr, are tags a feature?
[00:01] <Peng> Yes.
[00:01] <randomnewguy> ok thanks
[00:01] <fullermd> As opposed to a bug?   :]
[00:02] <randomnewguy> i didn't know the option to tag a revision existed
[00:02] <fullermd> bpeterson: Why are we referencing a spring from last May?
[00:02] <bpeterson> randomnewh
[00:03] <Peng> There are over 16,000 revisions in Bazaar's Bazaar branch. Usually a couple a day. A couple releases a day wouldn't be very nice...
[00:04] <bpeterson> fullermd: opps
[00:04] <bpeterson> fullermd: oops
[00:05] <Peng> Isn't there a new sprint right now?
[00:05] <Peng> s/new //
[00:05] <beuno> Peng, yeap, at this exact moment
[00:05] <bpeterson> Peng: do you know the url so I can get it right
[00:05] <beuno> (well, we're suppose to be sleeping now, but bleh)
[00:05] <Toksyuryel> The topic should make a note what the latest version is
[00:06] <randomnewguy> Peng: i guess its a little more practical when you only have 6 like me
[00:06] <Peng> Yesterday, the topic was: http://bazaar-vcs.org/ | Bazaar 1.2 is out! | https://launchpad.net/bzr/1.2/1.2 | Sprint wiki page: http://bazaar-vcs.org/SprintLondonMarch08"
[00:07] <bpeterson> Peng: that should do it... thanks
[00:08] <Toksyuryel> that looks good :)
[00:09] <Toksyuryel> should set +t and turn on topiclock, then only the correct people can set the topic instead of it being able to be screwed up by anyone
[00:11] <beuno> Toksyuryel, it hasn't been a problem until now
[00:11] <beuno> it's much less work to leave it open I think
[00:12] <Toksyuryel> basically all you do is put a /msg chanserv in front of the topic command and it's otherwise the same
[00:12] <Toksyuryel> and this is why I don't like the squeaky wheel mentality, it's always better to stop problems before they happen if you find yourself in a situation to be able to do so :)
[00:13] <Toksyuryel> but it is of course your decision
[00:13]  * Toksyuryel is just throwing it out there
[00:14] <beuno> Toksyuryel, but then you have to give access to people
[00:14] <beuno> and only those can change the topic
[00:14] <beuno> and they would get bugged to do so by others
[00:14] <hsuh> anyone knows why bzr somehow doesn't have problems with line endings when you work with unix <-> windows merges, but hg does?
[00:14] <beuno> it's not so straight forward  ;)
[00:14] <Toksyuryel> don't they already have access?
[00:15] <Peng> Wait, what?
[00:15] <Peng> Bzr doesn't handle line endings, but hg optionally can.
[00:15] <Peng> I'd say you're just lucky that your text editors aren't screwing around with line endings.
[00:16]  * Toksyuryel hates DOS line endings =/ what is wrong with those people
[00:16] <hsuh> hm.. i'm using emacs here and there, the editors are the same, so maybe the problem was that i had some type of filter configured... happy now anyway :)
[00:16] <Peng> HTTP uses DOS line endings. I wonder how much bandwidth that wastes?
[00:17] <Toksyuryel> tons probably, people all over the world download millions of multi-kibibyte html documents every day
[00:18] <Toksyuryel> the individual user may not notice anything but the ISPs have a lot of extra strain they don't need because of that
[00:21]  * Verterok sleeps
[00:26] <Toksyuryel> estimating extremely conservatively, let's suppose an ISP that serves five million customers that each download 1000 HTML documents every day averaging 100 lines per file. Calculated out that ends up costing the ISP 4tbits per day.
[00:27] <Toksyuryel> the actual amount wasted in reality is probably a lot higher
[00:27] <LeoNerd> For that matter, anyone who properly indents their HTML would waste loads more in leading spaces
[00:27] <LeoNerd> gzip FTW :)
[00:28] <Toksyuryel> indeed ^_^
[00:29] <johnny> yes.. gzip..
[00:29] <Toksyuryel> gzip is a great solution and I know at least firefox supports that
[00:30] <Toksyuryel> there would still be some waste in the HTTP headers but that would be minimal compared to what it would have been otherwise
[00:30] <Toksyuryel> unfortunately we probably can't force everyone to gzip their pages any more than we can force them to use UNIX line-endings =/ it's too bad
[00:32] <johnny> hmm.. we force unix line endings in your pre commit hooks :)
[00:32] <johnny> our*
[00:32] <Toksyuryel> but anyway, getting back on topic, bzr rocks <3
[00:32] <johnny> now if only we could make sure they are using the pre commit hooks :)
[00:33] <johnny> that is on topic tho..
[00:33] <johnny> sorta
[00:35]  * beuno is off to bed
[01:23] <Toksyuryel> why...?
[01:45] <tro> retupmoca: line endings. can bzr handle them or would i have to write a pre-commit hook?
[01:45] <fullermd> I think "neither" is the current answer...
[01:48] <fullermd> I believe line ending stuff (and I/O filters in general) is on the topic list for the current sprint, but I'm not sure.  And of course that doesn't help anything at the moment.
[01:59] <retupmoca> um....what?
[02:00] <retupmoca> someone set off my highlight
[02:01]  * retupmoca fades back into the darkness
[04:49] <indraveni> hi all
[04:49] <indraveni> when I am trying to run loggerhead, I am seeing an error message
[04:50] <indraveni> http://pastebin.ca/927304
[04:50] <indraveni> what does error message mean?
[04:50] <indraveni> thus i am not able to start loggerhead
[04:51] <Peng> It means UART gettin' online!
[04:51] <Peng> I don't know, Google it.
[04:51] <Peng> You need to set autoreload.package, even if to an empty value.
[05:02] <indraveni> but, yesterday it was working without any problem Peng
[05:02] <indraveni> after some time, only it started showing this problem
[05:03] <Peng> Well, I have no idea.
[05:03] <Peng> I've never used TurboGears.
[05:04] <indraveni> Peng, have u used loggerhead ?
[05:04] <Peng> Nope.
[05:04] <Peng> I'm on shared hosting so I've been afraid to try it.
[07:33] <Odd_Bloke> Morning.
[08:00] <DataShaman> hi there
[08:00] <DataShaman> anyone give a hint what i'm doing wrong?
[08:01] <DataShaman> I've setup a central branch as per Team collaboration, distributed style
[08:01] <DataShaman> where you can have local bugfix branches
[08:01] <DataShaman> when I create a pristine branch of the central trunk, it has no files in it, even though the repo has files in it
[08:03] <jakobb> DataShaman: what is the command you use to create the branch?
[08:04] <DataShaman> anyone?
[08:12] <DataShaman> anyone here want to help me with a problem using bzr?
[08:12] <DataShaman> please
[08:16] <fullermd> 02:03 <jakobb> DataShaman: what is the command you use to create the branch?
[08:16] <DataShaman> the local branch?
[08:16] <fullermd> Whichever one has no files in it.
[08:16] <DataShaman> std bar branch bzr+ssh:....
[08:16] <DataShaman> bzr branch bzr+ssh://blah...
[08:17] <DataShaman> the central repo has files in it
[08:17] <DataShaman> when i pull in the branch, it says 35 revisions are branched
[08:17] <DataShaman> but no files are created in the pristine copy
[08:18] <fullermd> Try info.
[08:18] <DataShaman> shared repo is the parent folder, which makes sense
[08:18] <DataShaman> repository branch is .
[08:18] <DataShaman> parent branch is the remote repo
[08:19] <fullermd> Pastebin the whole output.
[08:22] <DataShaman> k
[08:23] <DataShaman> http://pastebin.com/d28708aa5
[08:23] <DataShaman> with -v
[08:24] <DataShaman> do a info on the central repo as well?
[08:25] <DataShaman> central repo: http://pastebin.com/d776df7b5
[08:25] <fullermd> No, that's enough.  Shows the expected.
[08:25] <fullermd> You don't have a WT, which means you created the repository with --no-trees.  So, nothing's "broken"; it's doing just what you asked.
[08:25] <fullermd> Run a "bzr co" in the branch to instantite a WT for it.
[08:27] <Peng> Any good way to turn --no-trees off? You can rm .bzr/repository/no-working-trees.
[08:28] <fullermd> I think it's one of those things to slot into reconfigure.
[08:30] <DataShaman> ok
[08:30] <DataShaman> i get it
[08:31] <DataShaman> my pristine copy of the central repo shouldn't have a working tree, ideally correct?
[08:31] <DataShaman> when I create a feature branch off the pristine copy, how do i get it to create a working tree with the branch command?
[08:32] <Peng> DataShaman: <Peng> ... rm .bzr/repository/no-working-trees.
[08:34] <Peng> Odd_Block? :)
[08:34] <fullermd> Well, it shouldn't if you don't want it to   :)
[08:34] <DataShaman> :)
[08:34] <Odd_Bloke> Peng: Ping? ;)
[08:34] <fullermd> It depends on the details of how you want to work.
[08:34] <DataShaman> let me give you a brief rundown
[08:34] <DataShaman> central repo, with trunk
[08:35] <DataShaman> me at remote site, with pristine branch copy, and local branches for bugfixes, features, etc
[08:35] <Odd_Bloke> Sprint People: I was denied access to the Executive Lounge (No Executive Lounge?! DENIED!) so will hang around in the lobby until ~quarter to.
[08:35] <DataShaman> the pristine branch copy with no WT, since it seems wasteful to have one there
[08:35] <DataShaman> but local bugfix branches obv must have WTs :)
[08:36] <fullermd> How do you intend to land the bugfix branches when they're completed?
[08:36] <DataShaman> i assume that in my case, the pristine copy MUST have a WT?
[08:36] <DataShaman> hmm, point
[08:37] <DataShaman> it has to merge into the local i suppose
[08:37] <fullermd> The way I do such things is to use a checkout of the trunk for my "local pristine" copy.
[08:37] <Peng> DataShaman: You can use "bzr remove-tree" and "bzr checkout" ("bzr co") to switch a branch between having a WT and not.
[08:37] <DataShaman> ok
[08:37] <fullermd> Then when I need to land a bugfix branch, I can go into it and "bzr up ; bzr merge ../bugfix ; bzr ci" to land it into trunk.
[08:37] <lifeless> moin
[08:38] <fullermd> (actually, I also often do trivial stuff straight on trunk too, but that's all up to your workflow choices)
[08:38] <DataShaman> fullermd: ok, thanks for your help, it makes sense now
[08:38] <DataShaman> viola, all there now :)
[08:40] <Peng> Lazyweb: Can "bzr up" show a log of the revisions it's pulling, like "bzr pull -v"?
[08:41] <james_w> bzr up -v perhaps?
[08:41] <james_w> ah, no, sorry, you want log, rather than file changes, I don't think that's possible.
[08:45] <Peng> I'll stick with avoiding checkouts then.
[08:46] <Peng> (Except for the occasional lightweight checkout.)
[08:52] <fullermd> I've never found pull -v useful myself...
[09:41] <AfC> This is a few days old, but an interesting post from elijah: http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2008/03/01/happenings-in-the-vcs-world/
[09:42] <poolie> hi afc
[09:42] <poolie> you've landed in london?
[09:43] <poolie> that is interesting
[09:45] <AfC> poolie: yeah. His section on Bazaar was a bit of a ramble (perhaps that's a bad sign) but his comments on Subversion, Mecurial, and Git seemed insightful.
[09:50] <jamesh> AfC: it'd be interesting to know what the "several features of git not present in other systems that [he is] absolutely addicted to" are
[09:51] <jamesh> ah.  he's elaborated in a comment
[09:51] <luks> the various ways of destrying your history with rebasing/filtering/etc.? :)
[09:51] <jamesh> "speed[1], repository container[2], the index[3]"
[09:53] <jamesh> "and history rewriting[4]"
[09:57] <bialix> abentley: BB is down.
[10:15] <Odd_Bloke> lifeless: I've written up the network performance stuff at http://bazaar-vcs.org/SprintLondonMarch08/Brainstorms
[10:26] <Odd_Bloke> poolie: At the bottom of http://bazaar-vcs.org/SprintLondonMarch08/Brainstorms
[10:42] <lifeless> Odd_Bloke: thanks
[10:57] <Odd_Bloke> jelmer: I've added the stuff on the board re: bzr-gtk to http://bazaar-vcs.org/SprintLondonMarch08/Brainstorms
[10:58] <jelmer> Odd_Bloke, w00t, thanks!
[11:13] <beuno> poolie, at some point in the sprint, I'd like to chat with you about the "command not found" spec if you can
[11:17] <poolie> yes, we should
[11:45] <Verterok> vila: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.bazaar-ng.general/37768
[12:32] <Zindar> hi guys.. are you in london now?
[12:49] <beuno> Zindar, yeap, we're all in London
[12:50] <Zindar> so am I today/tonight
[12:51] <Zindar> just wanted to see if anyone feels like meeting up, drinking bear, etc tonight... if there is time
[12:53] <Zindar> bear = beer....
[12:53] <Zindar> strange if not :)
[12:54] <beuno> Zindar, not sure what happens after we finish, but you can re-check at ~6pm and see
[12:54] <Zindar> I might not have internet this afternoon though....
[12:54] <Zindar> sms possibilities to someone? :)
[12:55] <jelmer> Zindar: hi
[12:55] <jelmer> +31645516686
[12:55] <Zindar> thank you :)
[12:55] <Zindar> +46730808013 if you need me
[12:55] <jelmer> thanks
[12:55] <Zindar> or somehting
[13:08]  * awilkins fancies a nice drop of bear
[13:20] <Odd_Bloke> awilkins: TMI. ;)
[13:23] <Peng> You can get bear online.
[13:28]  * Peng wanders off.
[13:43] <TFKyle> mm, bear
[13:43] <TFKyle> though I think I'd prefer some venison
[14:08] <luris> what do I do if I accitently added a symlink to my repo?
[14:08] <luris> bzr remove <linkname> doesn't seem to work
[14:29] <AfC> luris: it ought to.
[14:29] <AfC> luris: you could always just
[14:29] <AfC> $ rm linkname
[14:29] <AfC> and see what `bzr status`
[14:29] <AfC> reports
[14:29] <luris> AfC: I ended up running bzr rm --new && bzr add
[16:03] <dato> is igc in London?
[16:06] <lifeless> yes
[16:06] <Odd_Bloke> He's over there -->
[16:09] <lifeless> indeed, -->
[16:10] <lifeless> dato: ping
[16:10] <dato> lifeless: pong
[16:11] <lifeless> did you write something to watch a branch and email out changes observed on it?
[16:12] <dato> could somebody ask him if by «your thoughts will give us things to keep in mind when developing bzr-fastexport soon» he meant that he's going to write it?
[16:12] <jdong> while true; do bzr log | mail ..... LOL
[16:12] <dato> lifeless: yes, though it's a bit rough.
[16:13] <lifeless> dato: url ? squid3 is mocving to bzr :)
[16:13] <lifeless> dato: he says 'yes ian will write it if noone else does'
[16:13] <dato> lifeless: ok
[16:14] <dato> lifeless: https://launchpad.net/bzr-hookless-email
[16:14] <igc> hi dato
[16:14] <dato> hi igc
[16:14] <lifeless> dato: syou should put that on the plugins page or osomething
[16:14] <dato> lifeless: ah yes, I forgot to do that.
[16:14] <lifeless> perhaps we should have a 'extensions' page or something that lists all the not-a-plugin ut works-with-bzr stuff
[16:16] <lifeless> dato: can local_bzrlib be deleted now ? :)
[16:17] <dato> lifeless: actually no. it has a patch that I didn't manage to submit yet. (also because I wasn't very sure it would be ok)
[16:18] <dato> (code for setting the envelope-sender and smtp recipients)
[16:19] <dato> lifeless: anyway this program could be rewritten as something that just calls the configured plugins as if they were being called by the committer. so that it'd be also able to send stuff to CIA and else.
[16:21] <lifeless> dato: right, but I needed something now :>
[16:21] <dato> right. it'll do the job.
[16:21] <dato> igc: so, ooi, do you have an estimate of how much code bzr-fast-export.py would be?
[16:24] <LarstiQ> wasn't there a revspec or so to get the working tree state?
[16:24]  * LarstiQ wants to diff his workingtree state against the top pending merge
[16:25] <LarstiQ> or perhaps I mean just diff against a pending merge
[16:31] <igc> dato: I think a simple implementation of bzr-fast-export could take as little as an hour or so
[16:32] <igc> dato: I would like to include one in bzr-fastimport
[16:32] <dato> I'll read that as "igc time" ;)
[16:32] <igc> dato: the key word is "simple"
[16:32] <igc> it's one thing to dump stuff out
[16:33] <igc> it's another to think through all the issues needed to make bzr-fast-export and bzr-fast-import "round-trip"
[16:34] <igc> in other words, I want to get a fast-export that is useful to our community, not just other communities :-)
[16:35] <dato> yah :)
[16:35] <igc> my first driver for fast-export though is as a QA tool to show that fast-import works
[16:36] <igc> my second driver is making some funky 'filter' branch' style functionality possible
[16:36] <igc> dato: there are also some implementation options to consider ...
[16:37] <igc> the easiest fast-export is to walk the repo and print stuff as you go
[16:38] <igc> a slower, but maybe more useful way?, is to generate Command objects and add __str__ to each
[16:38] <LarstiQ> what is fast-export?
[16:38] <igc> the latter is more object-oriented, but might suck performance wise
[16:39] <igc> LarstiQ: git implemented a tool called git-fast-import that accepts a stream of comands/data
[16:40] <igc> tools that generate that stream are called *-fast-export
[16:40] <igc> I've written a plugin that takes the same import stream as git handles
[16:40] <igc> so we can reuse all the existing exporters
[16:40] <LarstiQ> ookay
[16:40] <igc> but we're yet to have an exporter that dumps that format
[16:41] <igc> after all, no-one ever wants to use another VCS having used bzr :-)
[16:41]  * LarstiQ swallows the switching to git stories
[16:42]  * dato confesses he has temptations at times.
[16:42] <dato> not because I'm unhappy, which I'm not
[16:43] <igc> seriously though, it's actually a feature being able to get from bzr to other tools in that ...
[16:44] <igc> some teams want to be confident that picking bzr wouldn't lock them in
[16:45] <ubotu> New bug: #198417 in bzr "bzr diff -r ancestor: should use parent branch if not specified" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198417
[16:45] <ubotu> New bug: #198418 in bzr "bzr send gives incomplete help on error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198418
[16:46] <LarstiQ> igc: which entirely makes sense
[16:56] <igc> LarstiQ: for more info, see http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrFastImport
[16:58] <LarstiQ> igc: thanks
[17:04] <tbnorth> hi all - how can I tell if bzr thinks a file's binary?
[17:05] <ubotu> New bug: #198422 in bzr-gtk "Annotate doesn't show active revision" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198422
[17:20] <james_w> tbnorth: the only way I know is to edit the file and run bzr diff. binary/not binary isn't much of distinction in bzr currently though, why would you like to know?
[17:21] <tbnorth> I use an IDE that changes the EOLs, I have a script that changes them back (i.e. makes working copy EOLs match last revision)  I don't want the script tripping over binary files
[17:21] <ubotu> New bug: #198425 in bzr "bzr info should not say "shared repository" unless it is actually a shared rather than colocated repository" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198425
[17:24] <tbnorth> james_w: so perhaps I should do my own test for binariness
[18:00] <ubotu> New bug: #198441 in bzr "Windows XP install nit: missing new program highlight on start menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198441
[18:14] <spiv> jelmer: fwiw, there's no python-subversion update in gutsy-backports, but the dependencies to take it directly from hardy aren't too bacd.
[18:14] <spiv> s/bacd/bad/
[18:18] <jelmer> spiv, ah, ok
[18:18] <spiv> jelmer: svn-import of Twisted seems to be stable at ~79MB, which is a dramatic improvement :)
[18:19] <spiv> Hmm, spoke too soon.  It just jumped to 145MB... still doing much better than before though.
[19:00] <cr3> is there a way to grab source from a repository but not the .bzr directory?
[19:01] <cr3> I'm grabbing a project now and the .bzr directory itself is over 300MB, that's overkill considering I just want to build the project
[19:02] <TFKyle> cr3: I believe you could do a lightweight checkout (bzr branch --lightweight)
[19:02] <TFKyle> er, bzr co --lightweight rather :)
[19:02] <jdong> TFKyle: I'm not convinced that it's really much faster.
[19:02] <cr3> TFKyle: thanks, I'll try that
[19:02] <jdong> it might involve downloading fewer bytes but I don't think it'll actually be "faster" per se
[19:03] <jdong> cr3: the real feature you want is shallow branching *cough* *cough* (looks at jelmer, lifeless , and those at the bzr sprint)
[19:03] <TFKyle> possibly, not sure exactly how it works
[19:22] <cr3> jdong: branch compared to co --lightweight was 5 times bigger, significant difference. thanks!
[19:23] <jdong> cr3: I know it's gonna be bigger, but I didn't know whether or not it's gonna be faster
[19:24] <jdong> cr3: slight disclaimer, I've got a gigabit internet pipeline so YMMV :D
[19:24] <jdong> cr3: and I'm not sure if it works, but bzr export might be able to operate on a branch URL and be even faster?
[19:30] <james_w> bzr export DEST [BRANCH]
[19:44] <_flx> hi
[19:45] <_flx> what is the migration procedure for a bzr server 1.1 to 1.2 ?
[19:46] <jdong> I believe just do the upgrade? Nothing broke backwards-compatibly
[19:46] <jdong> (I think)
[19:50] <_flx> jdong: Thx it worked
[19:50] <jdong> great to hear
[19:50] <ubotu> New bug: #198479 in bzr "crash: "bzr branch https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/trunk"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198479
[20:46] <james_w> hi mwhudson_. It's good to see loggerhead still getting standalone releases. Thanks.
[20:46] <mwhudson> james_w: news travels fast :)
[20:47] <mwhudson> james_w: are you at the bzr sprint?
[20:47] <james_w> mwhudson: I arrive on Thursday. Are you there>
[20:47] <mwhudson> james_w: sadly, no
[20:48] <mwhudson> having flown half way around the world moving from the uk to new zealand, my response to "hey!  do you want to fly back to the uk again in a few weeks?" was, perhaps, predictable
[20:48] <james_w> :-)
[20:48] <james_w> I think you got the better end of the deal though.
[20:50] <ubotu> New bug: #198519 in bzr "'Connection timed out' on lp branch attempt shouldn't result in a crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198519
[22:35] <philn__> hi
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #198552 in bzr-gtk "Doesn't apply bzr metadata-only changes to files" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198552
[22:36] <philn__> i'm trying to branch a https:// repo but get a curl error:
[22:36] <philn__>     curl.perform()
[22:36] <philn__> error: (60, 'server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt')
[22:36] <radix> philn__: If you're on Ubuntu or Debian, make sure your ca-certificates package is up-to-date.
[22:37] <philn__> hi radix ;)
[22:37] <radix> yo :)
[22:37] <philn__> using gutsy here plus pinned hardy .. ca-certificates is up-to-date
[22:37] <radix> philn__: And you have the -updates repositories enabled?
[22:38] <philn__> 20070303
[22:38] <philn__> hmm lemme check
[22:38] <radix> hmm, yeah, that's what I have on Hardy.
[22:38] <philn__> i have gutsy-updates yes
[22:39] <philn__> should i try some bleeding bzr edge?
[22:39] <radix> I dunno, I'm not sure what the problem is. It doesn't sound like updating bzr would make a difference.
[22:39] <radix> philn__: oh, wait, what's the https:// server you're trying to branch from?
[22:40] <philn__> it didn't, had exact same error with gutsy version
[22:40] <radix> philn__: maybe it really doesn't have a certificate that is registered with your system
[22:40] <philn__> it's a seecreet server ;)
[22:40] <radix> philn__: and is it signed by a "normally trusted" CA?
[22:41] <radix> or is it some self-signed cert?
[22:41] <philn__> how can i know that?
[22:42] <radix> philn__: Well, does your browser complain when you visit the site with it?
[22:43] <radix> (or did it complain and did you permantly accept the certificate anyway, some long time ago? ;)
[22:43] <mwhudson> you can also try using bzr branch https+urllib://whatever/...
[22:43] <radix> ah. is that the way you get around verification :)
[22:44] <philn__> i get a warning in my browser yes
[22:44] <philn__> mwhudson: tries that; didn't work
[22:44] <radix> what happened ?
[22:44] <philn__> SubversionException: ("PROPFIND request failed on '/blahblah')
[22:45] <philn__> wtf, it's not a svn repo ;)
[22:45] <radix> oh dear, so you're also trying to branch an svn branch?
[22:45] <radix> oh.
[22:45]  * radix looks at mwhudson
[22:46] <philn__> looks like that /svn_path comes from my ~/.subversion directory btw
[22:47] <mwhudson> oh er what?
[22:47] <radix> I got no idea.
[22:47] <mwhudson> philn__: i guess you could try --no-plugins too
[22:48] <philn__> mwhudson: dude, it works :)
[22:49] <mwhudson> cool
[22:51] <philn__> thx mwhudson and radix
[22:52] <mwhudson> the subversion exception is some kind of bug, clearly
[22:52] <mwhudson> don't know if it's reported yet...
[22:54] <philn__> i can report it if needed
[22:55] <abentley> Would that be #192743?
[22:58] <philn__> i have a $HOME/.svn .. so could be yes
[22:58] <Odd_Bloke> Bug #192743
[22:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192743 in bzr-svn "bzr-svn is irritating when in a (non-svn) subdirectory of an svn working tree" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192743
[22:59] <nslater> how do i do a get without having any of the .bzr directories?
[23:00] <philn__> heading bed, gn8
[23:00] <Odd_Bloke> nslater: Could you expand on your problem a little?
[23:01] <nslater> i would like to do "bzr get -r 666 http://example example" but not have the .bzr dirs
[23:01] <nslater> i thought export would do it, but alas no
[23:01] <Odd_Bloke> nslater: Where do you not have the .bzr dirs?
[23:02] <nslater> can you rephrase please?
[23:04] <nslater> Odd_Bloke: ?
[23:04] <Odd_Bloke> nslater: Which location does not have the .bzr dirs?
[23:04] <nslater> im not sure what that means, i want to create a local directory of the repository with no .bzr directories
[23:05] <bob2> nslater: in what way does 'bzr export' not do what you want?
[23:05] <Odd_Bloke> nslater: Do the bzr get and then bzr export locally.
[23:05] <nslater> bzr export -r 86 http://intertwingly.net/code/venus/ planet-venus-0~bzr86.orig
[23:05] <nslater> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/nslater/svn/python-apps/packages/planet-venus/trunk/planet-venus-0~bzr86.orig/".
[23:06] <nslater> do i really have to do two operations to get a "clean" version of the repository?
[23:06] <bob2> nslater: arguments go the other way round
[23:06] <beuno> Odd_Bloke, is there coffe up there?  my gf keeps kicking her adsl modem, so the conversation is taking a bit longer than expected
[23:06] <beuno> s/coffe/coffee
[23:06] <Odd_Bloke> beuno: Yeah, there is.
[23:06] <Odd_Bloke> Nice hot choocolate too.
[23:06] <bob2> nslater: bzr export -r 86 planetblah http://...
[23:06] <beuno> Verterok, mate?
[23:06] <nslater> trying with reversed arguments
[23:07] <Verterok> beuno: yeap
[23:07] <beuno> Verterok, be up in ~15 then
[23:07] <nslater> bzr export -r 86 planet-venus-0~bzr86.orig http://intertwingly.net/code/venus/
[23:07] <nslater> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: while sending GET /code/venus/.bzr/branch-format: (111, 'Connection refused')
[23:07]  * Verterok 'll be waiting
[23:07] <nslater> it works fine for a "get"
[23:08] <nslater> it's really slow, is that normal?
[23:08] <nslater> another error:
[23:08] <nslater> bzr export -r 86 planet-venus-0~bzr86.orig http://intertwingly.net/code/venus
[23:08] <nslater> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: while sending GET /code/venus/.bzr/repository/knits/eb/%254c%2549%2543%2545%254e%2543%2545-20060830201635-546cbbdb8a049f22.kndx: (111, 'Connection refused')
[23:09] <bob2> I''m having intermittent trouble reaching that website in my browser
[23:09] <beuno> nslater, the first thing to do would be to upgrade your storage format (although it's unrelated)
[23:09] <bob2> as well as with bzr
[23:09] <nslater> beuno: what do you mean storage format?
[23:09] <bob2> beuno: nslater is branching someone else's branch
[23:10] <beuno> bob2, aaah, right. nslater nevermind than, carry on
[23:10] <nslater> :)
[23:10] <nslater> hmm, i am also getting general errors from that site
[23:10] <nslater> weird, it was working before
[23:11] <Odd_Bloke> nslater: Try pulling into a shared-repo, you'll be able to do it in segments (i.e. resume when the connection fails).
[23:11] <nslater> sorry, i dont know what that means
[23:11] <nslater> also, this needs to work reliably with no assistance
[23:12] <bob2> bzr init-repo blah ; bzr branch htp://... blah/blah ; bzr export foo.tar.gz blah/blah
[23:12] <bob2> bzr export should do what you want, it just seems that intertwingly is having network issues
[23:13] <nslater> okay, thanks
[23:13] <bob2> the init-repo thing is what Odd_Bloke was sugesting, since the "branch" command will resume if rerun
[23:19] <nslater> okay, thanks for all the help guys!
[23:34] <mwhudson> so hm
[23:34] <beuno> Verterok, on my way up
[23:34] <mwhudson> i want to know the set of revisions that are introduced by the revision
[23:34]  * Verterok hopes so :P
[23:35] <mwhudson> i.e. those revisions which are ancestors of revision X but not of X's left-hand parent
[23:35] <mwhudson> oh er
[23:35] <mwhudson> find_difference!
[23:45] <abentley> mwhudson: Unfortunately, that method's not completely accurate.
[23:46] <mwhudson> abentley: ah
[23:46] <abentley> The accurate way is to use get_ancestry on both revisions and then do set operations.
[23:47] <abentley> We are strongly interested in making find_difference accurate, since it scales much better.
[23:48] <abentley> Good night.
[23:49] <mwhudson> seems pretty slow
[23:49] <mwhudson> good night


[00:12] <nikolam> ok, it is working now
[00:13] <nikolam> Also my monitor on other machine stopped using dpms to turn off after screensaver
[00:13] <nikolam> therefore, it never turns-off automatically
[00:16] <deus_> WHy in the nine hells is there different sound settings based on window manager
[00:40] <spowney> hey i was jus trying to change my computer name, and cant find applications-system-networking they havnt changed it in 8.10 hav they?
[00:41] <zoredache> spowney: don't know, but you could edit your /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts files manually
[00:42] <bad_> hi there, do you need to use ndiswrapper for a broadcom chipset  BCM4306 on xubuntu 8.04?
[00:43] <Odd-rationale> bad_: not really. i used b43-fwcutter.
[00:43] <Odd-rationale> it is easier to set up b43 if you have a wired internet connection available...
[00:44] <spowney> zoredache: ty for help, quicker to do that than carry on searching, no idea where it is nowadays
[00:46] <bad_> well I do have a wired connection right now I'll lookup that b43-fwcutter thingmajig, thanks Odd-rationale
[00:47] <bad_> can I get this through add-remoce, synaptic or does it have to be cli to install it?
[00:49] <Odd-rationale> bad_: from synaptics
[00:49] <Odd-rationale> *synaptic
[00:49] <bad_> thanks again
[00:53] <bad_> and I've got liftoff
[00:53] <bad_> :)
[01:19] <bad_> actually not
[01:19] <bad_> never mind too late for now I'll be back
[02:02] <kazexe> how a return to xfce 4.4.2
[02:03] <kazexe> how to return to xfce 4.4.2
[02:04] <kazexe> from 4.6.0
[02:04] <Hikefu> Which Xubuntu are you running?
[02:04] <kazexe> 8.10
[02:05] <kazexe> whit 4.6
[02:05] <kazexe> but
[02:05] <kazexe> i don't like it to much
[02:05] <kazexe> i want to return to the stable version
[02:06] <Hikefu> I'm not sure if you can do it easily.
[02:06] <Hikefu> Without downgrading.
[02:06] <Hikefu> To Hardy.
[02:06] <kazexe> i wanto downgrade it
[02:06] <Hikefu> Well I don't think you can downgrade from 8.10 to 8.04 without reinstalling.
[02:07] <kazexe> no of course not
[02:07] <kazexe> from the repo
[02:07] <Hikefu> You'd be better off backing things up and just reinstalling Hardy.
[02:07] <kazexe> to risky
[02:08] <Hikefu> Unless you could install Ubuntu 8.10 and then download XFCE 4.4.2 from somewhere and install it overtop of that.
[02:08] <kazexe> maybe if i uninstall the xubuntu a reinstalling disabling the repo sour of 4.6
[02:09] <Hikefu> I would assume that the only source of XFCE in xubuntu is one with 4.6; I use Ubuntu though, and Crunchbang linux with Openbox.
[02:09] <Hikefu> I'm not an expert.
[02:10] <Hikefu> If you need something lightweight, you should try out Crunchbang. It's basically Ubuntu with no gnome, just openbox, and it comes with more preinstalled apps than any ubuntu variant.
[02:10] <TheSheep> istn't 'more preinstalled apps' conflicting with 'lightweight'?
[02:11] <Hikefu> How so?
[02:11] <Hikefu> Number of apps makes less difference.
[02:11] <Hikefu> It's the type of apps.
[02:11] <TheSheep> kazexe: I think you can just uninstall teh xfce packages and install the 4.4.0 from regular repository
[02:12] <kazexe> crunchbag
[02:12] <kazexe> he?
[02:12] <Hikefu> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/photo.php?pid=173158&id=1307239503
[02:12] <Hikefu> I have some screenshots there.
[02:12] <Hikefu> I understand what you're talking about TheSheep, the apps are lightweight, it uses xfce for some things too.
[02:13] <Hikefu> But it comes with a lot of lightweight multimedia, editing, apps... ones people use, not just crappy default ones.
[02:14] <TheSheep> Hikefu: so what does it have for editing images?
[02:14] <Hikefu> hold on, I'm in ubuntu now... I have an app list somewhere.
[02:15] <Hikefu> http://crunchbang.org/wiki/crunchbang-linux-8-dot-04-dot-02-applications-list/
[02:15] <Hikefu> It's hands down the best implementation of openbox that I've seen
[02:16] <TheSheep> so it's GIMP
[02:16] <TheSheep> how original :)
[02:17] <Hikefu> LOL, well, there really isn't much else I guess.
[02:18] <Hikefu> I'm not even sure why I bother. I have 2 gb of ram... I just like running something different.
[02:18] <TheSheep> Hikefu: why would I need a... palette designer?
[02:18] <TheSheep> or a color picker asa separate application?
[02:18] <Hikefu> Well the guy just remastered his ubuntu setup, and he's into design... so it's there just in case I guess.
[02:19] <TheSheep> for me lightweight means 'with no useless parts' :)
[02:20] <Hikefu> I guess you could say that. For me, lightweight is more about the performance and footprint of running apps.
[02:20] <Hikefu> You using intrepid xubuntu?
[02:21] <kazexe> how to uninstall xfce
[02:21] <Hikefu> sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop -- but that won't get rid of apps that might depend on xfce 4.6.
[02:22] <Hikefu> maybe aptitude remove xubuntu-desktop?
[02:23] <TheSheep> kazexe:just search for 'xfce' in synaptic
[02:23] <TheSheep> kazexe: and unistall the packages that have 4.6.0 version
[02:27] <kazexe> i'm doing that right noe
[02:29] <MHz128> hi guys
[02:29] <MHz128> I would like to run a gnome app called netspeed, will this require installing all of the gnome dependencies?
[02:30] <MHz128> I think gnome-system-monitor is included with xubuntu by default, does this mean I have gnome deps installed already?
[02:35] <kazexe> i downloaded xfce 4.4.3
[02:36] <kazexe> graphical installer
[02:36] <kazexe> for my intrepid hope it works
[02:40] <xubuser> Hello People.
[02:40] <xubuser> Hello People.
[02:41] <xubuser> do people use Skype for convs?
[02:42] <Chaser_> xubuser: some people do
[02:48] <kazexe> how to install gtk+
[02:51] <xubuser> clear
[03:02] <Ultraputz> having trouble getting banshee to play off of somafm, getting this:
[03:02] <Ultraputz> Banshee.Playlists.Formats.InvalidPlaylistException: An application exception has occurred.
[03:03] <Ultraputz>   at Banshee.Playlists.Formats.PlaylistParser.Parse (Banshee.Base.SafeUri uri) [0x00000]
[03:03] <Ultraputz>   at Banshee.Streaming.RadioTrackInfo.LoadStreamUri (System.String uri) [0x00000]
[03:05] <dcolish> !pastebin | Ultraputz
[03:13] <Taza> Uh, can anyone give me a pastebin of the default post-install 8.10 /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ?
[03:13] <Taza> I managed to destroy mine
[03:19] <kazexe> xfce repo
[03:20] <Ultraputz> taza -
[03:20] <Ultraputz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/70292/
[03:20] <kazexe> xubuntu repo
[03:20] <Taza> Thanks
[03:23] <Taza> Hmm. Very not good. I ran "apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.24*" to free disk space, just upgraded to 8.10
[03:23] <Taza> ... aand I suddenly see no kernel in grub
[03:24] <Ultraputz> since 8.10, banshee won't play somafm, here.
[03:24] <Taza> I still see the folder for 2.6.27-7-generic under /lib/modules but not in grub...
[03:25] <Taza> This bad, even I can see that much. :p
[03:27] <kazexe> xubuntu resotory
[03:28] <Taza> Fix'd, linux-generic was not installed.
[03:28] <Taza> This is not what I'd like to do but it (somewhat) works
[03:35] <kazexe> reinstalling xubuntu
[03:35] <kazexe> from ubuntu
[03:36] <kazexe> dependeny error thunar a xfcedestop
[03:42] <kennyc91> Does Xubuntu have a minimum requirement as far as CPU speed is concerned?
[03:46] <kazexe> i solved thanxs
[03:51] <Taza> How can 8.10 be THIS buggy?
[03:52] <Taza> I mean Jesus Christ.  THE KERNEL.
[03:54] <Taza> My network manager is nowhere to be found, neither is my battery monitor
[03:55] <maxamillion> Taza: you should install debian ... they have solid support for the eee
[03:55] <maxamillion> Taza: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC
[03:55] <Taza> It was working fine short of the wifi and overclocking before
[03:57] <maxamillion> yeah, i didn't overclock mine and my wifi worked out of the box with debian
[03:57] <maxamillion> i ran the sid branch
[03:57] <Taza> I need to overclock
[03:58] <Taza> I've got one of the Bad Batch SDHC drives.
[04:01] <maxamillion> oh ouch
[04:03] <Taza> network-manager isn't working either. ;_;
[04:06] <Necrosan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC1d1SCieis&feature=related
[04:08] <Taza> taskbar's broken, as broken as it can be.
[04:09] <Taza> NetworkManager, battery don't show up, the "a package manager is working" icon is ~*20 larger than it should be - whereas the "reboot" and "updates are available" work normally
[04:11] <Ultraputz> taza - sounds like more is wrong than the linux kernal being removed
[04:12] <Ultraputz> icon sizes being wonky sounds like bad symlinks
[04:12] <Taza> Ultraputz: Yeah, but wtf can I do?
[04:12] <Taza> This was a relatively normal 8.04 install, perfectly working, and when I updated to 8.10 everything's broken suddenly.
[04:12] <Ultraputz> i'd hope TheSheep were awake to provide his sage wisdom, and barring that, get the data off and just reinstall.
[04:13] <Taza> All I did was use the update manager to update to 8.10 and "apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.24*"
[04:13] <Taza> What's the default battery applet in Xfce?
[04:13] <Ultraputz> have you rebooted thge machine since you did that?
[04:13] <Taza> Yes
[04:13] <Ultraputz> and it came up?
[04:14] <Taza> I updated to 8.10, rebooted, did "apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.24*", did not reboot because I noticed warning messages, did "apt-get install linux-generic" after that, rebooted
[04:14] <Taza> It's came up to desktop every time, just everything is weirdly wonky
[04:15] <Ultraputz> gimme a bullet list of symptoms -- icons wonky, what else?
[04:16] <Taza> Device set to appear in /dev/SDHC doesn't - in fact, the SD reader drive doesn't appear at all even under fdisk -l
[04:16] <Taza> No task bar icons for battery / network manager.
[04:16] <Ultraputz> did you try putting the old kernal back ? :-)
[04:16] <Taza> AmaroK complains about missing Perl components
[04:18] <Taza> Icons wonky, sd card reader missing, network manager and battery missing from taskbar - AmaroK appears okay though.
[04:18] <Taza> Kernel was missing when I installed.
[04:18] <Taza> As was linux-generic
[04:19] <Ultraputz> i'm just saying, did you try installing what you'd removed just to see?
[04:19] <Taza> How would I do that?
[04:20] <Taza> "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-21-generic"?
[04:20] <Ultraputz> ja...
[04:20] <Ultraputz> unless someone else thinks that's an exceptionally bad idea :-)
[04:20] <Ultraputz> how much stuff is on there that is non-system
[04:20] <Taza> Cannot in 8.10
[04:20] <Ultraputz> hrm.
[04:21] <Ultraputz> did you try just dropping to maintenance shell and running fsck ?
[04:21] <Taza> A fair bit of configuration files, and some older kernel modules.
[04:21] <Taza> Aaand how would I do that? Close X?
[04:21] <Taza> heck, how do you kill just X under Xubuntu 8.10?
[04:21] <Ultraputz> you reboot, hit esc when grub comes up and select the maintenance version of whatever kernal you're running
[04:21] <Ultraputz> it should come up a # prompt
[04:21] <Ultraputz> run fsck
[04:21] <Ultraputz> then do shutdown -r now
[04:21] <Taza> Yeahyeah, I wasn't just familiar with "maintenance shell"
[04:22] <Ultraputz> sorry, oldschool here :-)
[04:22] <Taza> Uh
[04:22] <Taza> I'm running SDD
[04:22] <Ultraputz> eee pc or something ?
[04:22] <Taza> Yup
[04:23] <Ultraputz> no experience with such systems, dunno the ins and outs of sdd-based systems.
[04:23] <Taza> fsck says everything is okay
[04:23] <Ultraputz> i'm sure you tried looking on ubuntu forums ?
[04:23] <Taza> Yeah, no help there
[04:23] <Ultraputz> how much of a pain is reinstallation?
[04:24] <Taza> Well, right now? Lots. In six days? Not much.
[04:24] <Taza> Guess I should have waited 'till six days later updating...
[04:24] <Ultraputz> oh, you're away from your desktop
[04:25] <Taza> No, I'm not actually.
[04:25] <Taza> I'm writing this from my desktop. I should go travelling today with my laptop
[04:25] <Ultraputz> when why is backup and reinstall a pain?
[04:25] <Ultraputz> you can torrent install media if you don't have it already pretty d*** fast
[04:25] <Taza> Because I need to do a fair bit of adjustments.
[04:26] <Ultraputz> sounds like you're in for that already
[04:26] <Taza> Eh, I suppose
[04:27] <Ultraputz> you could back up most of your configs by just backing up home
[04:27] <Taza> I still don't get how the fsck this happened
[04:27] <Ultraputz> me either. that's why i'm suggesting reinstall -- i mean, i'm sure it's an interestingproblem -- how much research do you want to do before you can use your laptop for fun stuff? :-)
[04:28] <Ultraputz> fwiw, i keep an image of my laptop hdd on the desktop so that, if something horrific happens, it's just unroll and go.
[04:28] <Ultraputz> including drive replacements
[04:28] <Taza> Blech.
[04:28] <Ultraputz> those things are tiny, if sdd, it's gotta be under 8g, ja?
[04:28] <Taza> Yup
[04:28] <Ultraputz> that's not painful...
[04:29] <Taza> I could have booted off one USB stick (got a spare 256 one) and backup to a 8gb stick if I compress
[04:29] <Ultraputz> or just get on the network, dump your home directory, and reinstall :-)
[04:29] <Ultraputz> booting off the stick is how you'd launch a restore op anyway...
[04:29] <Taza> Hokay
[04:30] <Taza> NetworkManager IS there
[04:30] <Taza> It's icon is just lost
[04:30] <Ultraputz> ...
[04:30] <Taza> Fuck this, I'm reinstalling. ;_;
[04:30] <Ultraputz> you could also get a dead chicken, a maraca... a grass skirt...
[04:30] <Taza> The chicken has to be LIVE to sacrifice to the gods of updating
[04:30] <Taza> Plus you forgot the goat
[04:30] <Ultraputz> no, i was going to keep the goat.... for other... uses.
[04:31] <Ultraputz> taza means 'fresh' in either turkish or egyptian-arabic. i can't remember which.
[04:31] <Taza> Turkish. Also "pot" in Spanish
[04:31] <Ultraputz> beauty :-)
[04:32] <Ultraputz> pot as in the plant or pot as in the thing soup is made in?
[04:32] <Taza> The thing soup is made in. Unfortunately.
[04:33] <Taza> On the upside, anything caring about file permissions in my home folder is already on my ext2-formatted SDHC
[04:34] <Ultraputz> beauty
[04:34] <Ultraputz> so it's punch and go, almost.
[04:34] <Ultraputz> minus the annoying itch of defeat :-)
[04:34] <Taza> All I need to do is to copy /home to a vfat-formatted stick
[04:35] <Taza> Frankly, you learn to get over defeat in favor of getting a working system pretty quickly
[04:35] <Ultraputz> ja.
[04:36] <Ultraputz> at any minute, this crap-castle netvista may plunge through the floorboards, but that's ok, it syncs with two other boxes. all three of them are shakey, but odds are, one will survive anything but a meteor strike. :-)
[04:37] <Taza> I mean, no kernel, whacked icons... whatever it is, it'd need deep wizardry to fix
[04:37] <Taza> 21% of xubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso downloaded
[04:37] <Ultraputz> via torrent?
[04:38] <Taza> Via ftp
[04:38] <Ultraputz> via torrent, i had it in like 8-10 minutes.
[04:38] <Taza> Yeah, but I didn't bother to find the torrent link. :P
[04:38] <Taza> It's downloading at my connection's max speed anyway, so eh
[04:38] <Ultraputz> lazy, cheeky. a man after my own heart. :-)
[04:39] <Taza> And I just remembered the hardest part. ;_;
[04:39] <Taza> Fixing my pppd / bluetooth settings
[04:39] <Ultraputz> ppp...
[04:39] <Ultraputz> dialip?
[04:39] <Ultraputz> up?
[04:39] <Ultraputz> or dsl ?
[04:39] <Taza> Just old-fashioned dialup in a new way
[04:39] <Taza> 3g
[04:39] <Taza> I did say I was going travelling
[04:40] <Ultraputz> in turkmenistan? :-)
[04:40] <Taza> Please.
[04:40] <Taza> It's 3g dialup
[04:40] <Taza> Old thing here but brand new in the states
[04:41] <Ultraputz> hey, i'd go. some really cool archeology being done there at the moment.
[04:41] <Taza> Ya know what 3g is?
[04:41] <Ultraputz> don't keep up with phone tech
[04:41] <Taza> Yup. The reason the new iPhone is iPhone 3g
[04:41] <Ultraputz> yeah, i knew it was an improved gsm or something
[04:42] <Ultraputz> i hate cellphones. i have a tiny little POS phone that is usually off.
[04:42] <Taza> Dude
[04:42] <Taza> 3g here is awesome+++
[04:42] <Taza> It's basically a broadband-speed ppp mobile connection
[04:42] <Ultraputz> i think its the part about having microwave burst transmitters next to my abdominal organs and head that bothers me.
[04:43] <dcolish> Taza, this is better suited for #xubuntu-offtopic
[04:44] <Ultraputz> dc - you have any helpful ideas to contribute maybe?
[04:44] <Taza> dcolish: Well, 3g is still on subject for Xubuntu given I need to configure Xubuntu to support i
[04:44] <Taza> * it
[04:44] <dcolish> ok well then lets talk about that
[04:45] <Taza> Which it tries to do by default and falls really flat on it's face
[04:45] <dcolish> Taza, thats not going to solve the issue. If you explain the problem we can help you or at least try
[04:46] <Taza> NetworkManager doesn't allow the use of a custom ppp script for specific devices
[04:46] <Taza> Happy? ;p
[04:47] <Taza> Which means I need to manually start my ppp connections via pppd and networkmanager doesn't recognize them, and always sets Firefox in offline mode when I'm using the ppp connection
[04:47] <dcolish> Of course
[04:49] <Taza> Now, if you're going to be so anal retentive about THE TOPIC AND NOTHING BUT THE TOPIC, can you contribute?
[04:49] <dcolish> Taza, you should watch your language and your attitude
[04:49] <Taza> You an op, I assume?
[04:50] <Ultraputz> dcolish - give some leeway -- maybe someone with a problem might be exceptionally frustrated?
[04:50] <dcolish> I am trying to help moderate a forum for open discussion of issues
[04:51] <Taza> dcolish: It's impossible for me to watch my attitude due to a neurological problem btw. Show some respect towards the disabled.
[04:51] <Taza> (And yes, that's a real condition I really have.)
[04:52] <dcolish> Taza, why do you need a custom ppp script? Is that part of the 3g providers connection parameters?
[04:52] <Taza> Yes.
[04:52] <dcolish> What version of NM are you running currently?
[04:52] <Taza> The whole script is actually over at the Finnish wiki
[04:52] <Taza> I wouldn't know
[04:52] <Ultraputz> you can version it from command line i think
[04:52] <Taza> Given that, well, my kernel and half of my software just disappeared there and I'm preparing to reinstall
[04:53] <Ultraputz> it's network-manager --version it hink ?
[04:53] <Taza> No and no
[04:53] <dcolish> Taza, is this similar to your issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/116696
[04:54] <Taza> Aptitude says 0.7~~svn2
[04:54] <Taza> More or less
[04:55] <Taza> Though, I haven't gotten Intrepid Ibex to work yet
[04:55] <Taza> Because it had a disappearing kernel trick and icons were lost
[04:55] <dcolish> By disappearing, what do you mean?
[04:55] <Taza> dcolish: BTW, this is not on topic - but do make friends with rej of #gentoo fame, you might find the community more inviting to yourself.
[04:56] <Taza> I mean the "package manager is working" icon is around... twenty times larger than normal
[04:56] <Taza> And networkmanager/battery applet icons are not there at all
[04:56] <Taza> Ultraputz: Do you think I need to backup other places than /etc (for selective migration) and /home ?
[04:57] <Taza> dcolish: Also, I find something a bit curious. Was Ubuntu the first distro you started contributing towards?
[04:58] <Ultraputz> not really
[04:58] <Ultraputz> i wouldn't bother
[04:58] <Ultraputz> because whatever it is, unless you've got weird custom kernal mods or something...
[04:58] <Taza> Yeah well I have to compile those kernel by kernel anyway
[04:58] <Taza> And all others are already as debs for ibex except one.
[04:59] <Taza> dcolish: I updated to 8.10, it forgot having a kernel (linux-generic) got uninstalled, and after that both device support - heck, an USB drive is missing - and task bar icons have gotten certain small birds upwardly inclined.
[05:11] <Taza> dcolish: Now, did you interrupt our tech discussion that is still relevant to the channel without having anything to contribute nor any replacing more on-topic discussion it could have bothered? Tsk.
[05:12] <Taza> O tempora o mores. Ain't like it used to be.
[05:12] <dcolish> Taza, good luck with your issues
[05:13] <Taza> Ubuntu's the September That Never Ended of FreeNode, unfortunately. Sure it brought it to normal consumers, but well.
[05:14] <Taza> Summarization of my problems: Somehow when updating to 8.10 from 8.04, Xubuntu managed to lose both the kernel and icons.
[05:16] <Taza> I'm reinstalling it because a) it's faster than fixing it b) I have unnecessary files on my hard drive anyway c) clean installs always work better on Ubuntu.
[05:20] <dcolish> Taza, you're right, clean installs can be easier, but it would help us to know what went wrong. Could you possibly post a pastebin with your /var/log/dpkg.log output
[05:21] <Taza> No.
[05:21] <Taza> Which might actually give a hint. My /var/log/ empties itself every reboot.
[05:22] <Taza> Or well, to be specific, was a ramdisk
[05:22] <dcolish> Is there a reason for using a ramdisk for that volume?
[05:22] <Taza> Yes. SDD drive.
[05:25] <dcolish> Do you not have enough room on the drive for your logs? I'm pushy because there is almost no way to debug a system without the logs in that directory. Maybe you can boot and more them to a usb drive or are you having trouble mounting
[05:26] <Taza> Waitwhat?
[05:26] <Taza> Do you actually know a thing about Linux?
[05:26] <dcolish> Taza, that is a comment that is completely uncalled for.
[05:26] <Necrosan> Taza is a jerk.
[05:27] <Necrosan> Who needs help?
[05:27] <Taza> There is NOTHING except logs created on every bootup there
[05:27] <Taza> Necrosan: Well I don't anymore, I'm reinstalling
[05:27] <Taza> 8.10 ate my kernel and icons
[05:27] <Necrosan> Why is your /var/log setup incorrectly?
[05:27] <dcolish> Taza, lets say the problem is on shutdown, for example
[05:27] <Taza> SDD drive.
[05:27] <Taza> Necrosan: 'sides, "incorrectly"?
[05:27] <Taza> I worked hard to get it that way
[05:27] <Necrosan> That's wrong though.
[05:28] <Taza> Why so?
[05:28] <Necrosan> Why do you not want /var/log populated with useful information?
[05:28] <Taza> SDD drive.
[05:28] <Necrosan> #932965
[05:28] <Necrosan> What does that have to do with anything?
[05:28] <Necrosan> SDD drive == Regular drive
[05:28] <Necrosan> For most aspects.
[05:28] <Necrosan> And it's SSD.
[05:28] <Necrosan> Not SDD.
[05:29] <Necrosan> Duh.
[05:29] <Taza> Yeah, except for why you don't want /var/log set up that way
[05:29] <Taza> Yes, SSD, you're right there. Too bad you're clueless what the restrictions of the technology are.
[05:29] <Necrosan> I'm really not, Taza.
[05:29] <Necrosan> Explain to me what your problem is.
[05:29] <Necrosan> I DOUBT it has to do with the fact your disk is an SSD.
[05:29] <Taza> Ubuntu ate my kernel.
[05:29] <Necrosan> Probably PEBCAK.
[05:29] <Taza> Yeahreallynot
[05:30] <Taza> I've been using Linux for eight years now and I just ran the default update script
[05:30] <Necrosan> Sorry dude, you don't know how to configure your install properly.
[05:30] <dcolish> Necrosan, this is not helping
[05:30] <Necrosan> Sure.
[05:30] <Taza> Plus I have a SSD drive which means I do not want a normal /var/log
[05:30] <Necrosan> Elaborate on your problem, symptoms and hoohah.
[05:30] <Necrosan> Taza: WHY?
[05:30] <Taza> For obvious reasons, well, to anyone who knows more about SSD than "it's a drive"
[05:30] <Necrosan> Sure.
[05:30] <Necrosan> It's a big old flash disk.
[05:30] <Necrosan> For the most part.
[05:30] <Taza> SSD has limited write cycles. For the earlier models, such as I have, very limited.
[05:30] <Necrosan> Dude.
[05:31] <Taza> Plus this is soldered right in so I cannot switch it
[05:31] <Necrosan> Get a better drive?
[05:31] <Necrosan> What system is this?
[05:31] <Taza> It's a chip on the motherboard
[05:31] <Taza> Now get a clue and buzz off?
[05:31] <Necrosan> You get a clue.
[05:31] <Necrosan> You have told no one the situation.
[05:31] <Taza> Necrosan: Only five times past 2 hours
[05:31] <Necrosan> You came in ranting & raving about how you're an 8 year LINUX vet.
[05:31] <Taza> Necrosan: I've been on the channel for 2.5 hours
[05:31] <Necrosan> Reiterate again for me.
[05:32] <Taza> Explaining several times my problem.
[05:32] <Necrosan> My buffer is gong.
[05:32] <Necrosan> s/gong/gone
[05:32] <Taza> I updated from a perfectly working 8.04 system to 8.10
[05:32] <Necrosan> OK.
[05:32] <gnomefreak> Necrosan: Taza please either be helpful or better yet get back on topic and ignore each other.
[05:32] <Necrosan> Taza: What kind of system is this?
[05:32] <Taza> Rebooted, then went and removed linux-generic-whatever-version-8.04 uses.
[05:32] <Necrosan> Info, please.
[05:33] <Taza> It's a normal Xubuntu install, with /var/log set to disappear?
[05:33] <Necrosan> You booted in to the new kernel no problem?
[05:33] <Taza> I'm not sure.
[05:33] <Necrosan> Tell me about the SSD setup.
[05:33] <Taza> Then I noticed there's no kernel in grub.
[05:33] <Necrosan> Er.
[05:33] <Necrosan> Weird.
[05:33] <Taza> And I had to install linux-generic to get a kernel.
[05:33] <Necrosan> If I were you, I would do a fresh install. I haven't trusted any major rev OS updater in years.
[05:33] <Necrosan> Yeah, somethings messed up.
[05:33] <Taza> Thank heavens I noted it in time.
[05:33] <Necrosan> I'd blame it on Ubuntu.
[05:34] <Taza> Then the "a package manager is working" icon is around 256x256 pixels, where the NetworkManager and battery plugin icons don't appear at all
[05:34] <Taza> That's just the problems I detected in 10 minutes.
[05:34] <Necrosan> Reinstall. You're screwed.
[05:34] <Necrosan> Well, it's more work than its worth.
[05:34] <Taza> I did say I was reinstalling too
[05:34] <Necrosan> Definitely fixable, but I'd just backup what's critical and reinstall.
[05:34] <Necrosan> Sure, but a reinstall USUALLY isn't necessary.
[05:35] <Necrosan> In your condition it sounds like it would benefit all concerned parties.
[05:35] <gnomefreak> Necrosan: if you cant help him please dont comment since it is fixable (the bubble is pretty much gonne be the hard one since there is no setting to change size)
[05:35] <Taza> Necrosan: 'sides, before you go for the ad hominem I'd really start understanding what they talk about first.
[05:36] <Necrosan> gnomefreak: When Ubuntu breaks, it breaks bad.
[05:36] <Necrosan> I think we all can attest to that.
[05:36] <gnomefreak> Necrosan: no it doesnt
[05:37] <Necrosan> Really?
[05:37] <Necrosan> More Ubuntu installs have been broken  from updates than ANY major operating system.
[05:37] <Necrosan> I think that says something for its track record.
[05:37] <dcolish> Necrosan, I guess you dont use windows
[05:37] <Necrosan> I don't.
[05:37] <Necrosan> But Windows is in that quote.
[05:38] <Taza> Damnit.  Let me know, I'm around
[05:39] <gnomefreak> Taza: please dont use that kind of language
[05:39] <Taza> Necrosan: Cutest thing ever except when it's eating my papers.
[05:39] <Necrosan> dcolish: I may give my PS3 another WIFI enabling attempt.
[05:39] <Necrosan> Taza: I have no cat.   You know there is a linux driver package on the Marvell site.
[05:40] <gnomefreak> Taza: that doesnt change anything please dont use that language, if you want to talk about non ubuntu teck please join #xubuntu
[05:41] <Taza> gnomefreak: Offtopic, yes, vulgar language no.
[05:41] <gnomefreak> Taza: yes it is. that is last warning
[07:42] <knome> how can i force a pkg to be removed?
[07:42] <knome> i can't uninstal it, but it doesn't depepndonanythingandenythingdoesn't dependonit
[07:43] <knome> +spaces
[07:50] <knome> i get this output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/70365/
[07:55] <deoks> knome: Read Line 252 in the apt-get(8) manual page.
[07:57] <knome> deoks, output: paste line 17
[07:59] <deoks> But it will get removed if you forced it with apt-get as in the apt-get manual page? Or am I wrong?
[07:59] <knome> no, the Ãpkg still exists.
[08:06] <knome> solved. created dir /lib/modules/2.6.24-20-eeepc
[08:54] <knome> where is the xfce-terminal app icon?
[09:05] <wisthler_> hello
[09:06] <knome> hi
[09:06] <wisthler_> I've a problem with my wifi card
[09:06] <wisthler_> My computer see the wifi network
[09:07] <wisthler_> it can detect the kind of security (wpa in this case)
[09:07] <wisthler_> but it cannot join any network
[09:07] <wisthler_> (secure or not)
[09:09] <Wisthy> (sorry, probel with my connection)
[09:10] <Ultraputz> is it by chance a dlink router?
[09:10] <knome> Wisthy, the new network-manager doesn't allow you to join any wireless networks if you are connected to a wired.
[09:10] <Wisthy> I have two pc
[09:11] <Wisthy> it's a US Robotics router
[09:11] <Ultraputz> current firmware?
[09:12] <Wisthy> of the routeur ? I'll search
[09:14] <Wisthy> Runtime Code Version:
[09:14] <Wisthy>   0.08 (May 5 2006 19:19:46)
[09:14] <Wisthy> Boot Code Version:  0.03.00
[09:14] <Wisthy> Hardware Version:  01A
[09:14] <knome> ok, fully working xubuntu 8.10 on eeepc (though with old kernel)
[09:14] <Ultraputz> you can usually just go to their support page and check the current firmware release
[09:14] <Ultraputz> that's always first thing to check :-)
[09:16] <Ultraputz> goodnight folks. good luck
[09:16] <Wisthy> I'll check ...
[09:16] <Wisthy> thanks
[09:23] <kthakore> I keep getting "these settings cannot work with your current window manager(unknown)" when I try to open window manager settings
[09:24] <kthakore> I did xfwm4 --replace
[09:24] <kthakore> after using compiz
[09:49] <deus_> OH GOOD lord
[09:49] <deus_> ive suddenly lost my root priviliges
[09:50] <deus_> my user is not a sudoer
[09:50] <deus_> how could this happen
[09:58] <deus_> ok, no panic
[10:02] <deus_> This makes no sense it says that my user allready is in the admin group
[10:06] <ablomen> deus_, is your user a user that was created by anything/anyone other then the installer?
[10:14] <deus_> no
[11:11] <`r0ot> Hello
[11:16] <`r0ot> i need install wxwidgets from apt.wxwidgets.org so i have only dapper-wx/ & edgy-wx/ & etch-wx/ & feisty-wx/ & gutsy-wx/ & hardy-wx/ but my dis is intrepid, so i want ask what i can install in my system /
[11:25] <floating> how can i know in what dev grub is installed ?
[11:25] <floating> my grub is messed up somehow, and someone told me to look into grub-install . now i found a topic from ubuntu forum that mentions a command grub-install /dev/xxx
[11:26] <ablomen> floating, its talking about the device your bios looks at too boot
[11:27] <ablomen> floating, do you have any other os's on that pc?
[11:27] <floating> hmm, i wonder if i have to mount it also
[11:27] <floating> yeah, im currently on xp, since the xubuntu entries dont work
[11:27] <floating> so grub works in that sense, i can boot xp from it
[11:28] <floating> i have a live cd to access the commands to fix it i guess
[11:28] <floating> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[11:28] <ablomen> ok, well if it does that, you dont have to run the grub-install command
[11:28] <floating> theres some advices but
[11:28] <floating> but my grub is not normal mess up
[11:28] <ablomen> ok to get it clear, if you boot up your computer, you get the grub menu that lets you choose from windows and xubuntu?
[11:29] <floating> yeah
[11:29] <ablomen> and if you choose xubuntu, does it say anything?
[11:29] <floating> i upgraded to 810 from 804, but grub didnt update new kernel and xubuntu there
[11:29] <floating> it says error 17 cannot mount partition or smth
[11:30] <floating> then i tried sudo update-grub , it found new kernel but nothing was added to menu.lst
[11:30] <deus_> I cant seem to use the group settings in the gnome-control-panel
[11:31] <ablomen> i think its pointing to the wrong device
[11:31] <floating> then someone told a command to re-install new kernel i think, and there i chose to choose maintainers menu.lst, which led to this non-working xubuntu entry there
[11:31] <floating> in the actual upgrade i kept my menu.lst, and it had only 804 entry
[11:31] <sinbox> hi there, problem 1: add-remove application is stuck in a loop, what is the process name so I can kill it from the system monitor, or is that not a good idea?
[11:32] <ablomen> floating, ok so it got screwed up after you copied over a different menu.list?
[11:32] <floating> yeah, after that i cant boot to it yes
[11:33] <floating> but if i load the backed up menu.lst , i can load the old kernel boot entry
[11:33] <floating> and that doesnt work really, it is bugging
[11:33] <floating> some problems in xfce
[11:33] <floating> cuz its 8.10 with old kernel
[11:33] <ablomen> ok great then i think i know what your problem is
[11:34] <floating> i hope so:)
[11:34] <ablomen> in your menu.lst, near the bottom are all the entries that you can choose from right?
[11:35] <ablomen> in every entry there should be a line "root      (hd*,*)"
[11:35] <floating> umm yep, now im on windows, but i have upped them in pastebin few days ago, i can dig them
[11:35] <ablomen> oh yeah if you could get them that would help
[11:35] <floating> http://pastebin.ca/1249797
[11:36] <floating> umm, that is the grub that i have a backup version, but is not currently in use, that one can boot but with old kernel
[11:36] <ablomen> yeah i see :) do you have the other one as well?
[11:37] <floating> nope, i can boot to live-cd and look at it though
[11:37] <floating> i think
[11:37] <floating> ill do that, be back in few minutes or so
[11:37] <ablomen> ok
[11:39] <homebrewcider> hey there, since upgrading from xubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 my cam doesn't work on Kopete. I can go to the configure section and see it there, but my contacts can't see it, anybody else had this?
[11:43] <floating> umm, im struggling a bit. i believe i need to mount the /boot first
[11:44] <ablomen> yeah if its on its own partition you need to mount it
[11:45] <ablomen> otherwise you need to mount the partitions that has your xubuntu install on it
[11:45] <sinbox> hmmm gnome-app insta so that's sorted, now for problem 2:  Wireless problem: I got my wireless card to work, it does connect to the router, I can see it on the router, but I can't access any site on the net with it, I've added my ISP DNS servers in the DNS tab of the network settings but still no luck,  when doing an ifconfig I get this line: "inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS> Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>" which seems to me wrong as the network is actually a
[11:45] <sinbox> 192.168.1.x type any ideas how I can change that?
[11:48] <floating> i used fdisk -l to see my drives. there were 2 linux drives. i am able to mount the one which has only files with sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sda7 /mnt/root ,but the other linux partition doesnt show any files if i mount it in same manner
[11:48] <ablomen> only files as in video etc?
[11:48] <ablomen> *documents
[11:49] <floating> silly me, sorry. i mounted it over the other ;')
[11:49] <ablomen> hehe
[11:50] <floating> http://pastebin.ca/1252994
[11:50] <ablomen> ok yeah theres your problem :)
[11:51] <ablomen> if you look at line 144 in your old file >> http://pastebin.ca/1249797 and 127 in your new file you see that the new one points to a different harddrive
[11:52] <ablomen> so you should change "root        (hd0,5)" to "root        (hd0,6)" in the new file
[11:52] <ablomen> then it should work
[11:52] <floating> aa
[11:53] <floating> ic ic. how about the linux kernel thing, it still points to the old one
[11:53] <floating>  Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.24-16-generic
[11:54] <ablomen> ok if you do ls /mnt/root/boot you should see the kernels
[11:55] <floating> woh, theres only that 24-16
[11:55] <floating> strange that the new should be installed, and in the old pastebin you can see the update-grub it still finds the new
[11:58] <floating> i tried to search linux-image in synaptic, and it also only finds 24-16
[11:58] <floating> can i try sudo update-grub from licve cd ?
[12:00] <ablomen> ugh i hate the version naming
[12:00] <ablomen> 8.10 was intrepid right
[12:00] <floating> yeah
[12:01] <ablomen> well that should have 2.6.27-7 if im right
[12:01] <ablomen> so update-grub wouldnt help
[12:02] <ablomen> you first need to install the new kernel
[12:02] <ablomen> so that means booting up the old kernel
[12:02] <ablomen> it should still work (at least terminal access etc)
[12:04] <floating> yeah, i have installed the new kernel twice, and it should be currently installed, but i guess the install didnt go well
[12:04] <sinbox> also: network monitor applet does not show the wireless adapter
[12:05] <floating> but i go to the old kernel from live cd ->
[12:08] <ablomen> floating, well first fix your grub file [ (0,5) to (0,6) ], boot into xubuntu, then check if your /etc/apt/sources.list actually points to interpid, sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.27-7-386 or whatever the 64 bit equiviliant is if you run the 64bit version
[12:09] <ablomen> then check if it added everything to grub and reboot
[12:10] <floating> fixed grub to 0,6 and booted now. last time i installed the new kernel with this command : sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:11] <floating> yup, they point to intrepid
[12:13] <floating> now installing linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic
[12:14] <floating> now during the install, it prompts a question about menu.lst, keep the old, or get the maintainers version, i guess i take the maintainers
[12:16] <ablomen> ok just make sure to check afterwords if its pointing to 0,5 again
[12:21] <floating> yeah, it wasnt, i booted up and got error 17, now on live cd :) .. but positive news... things seem to point to a new kernel now
[12:22] <ablomen> ah cool :)
[12:24] <ablomen> still weird though, if you have the time, you should write a bug report, about getting the wrong hd as root
[12:29] <floating> things work now, and even this one bug that i had during the boot-up of xubuntu has disappeared \o/  when i booted in 8.04, the loading bar stopped, and wouldnt continue before i made a keystroke with keyboard for some reason :) but now it loaded normally weeh
[12:29] <floating> big thanks to u
[12:30] <ablomen> wooh great news :)
[12:50] <juanantonio> Hello. Which is the less ressources consomation system for old systems, Xubuntu or Windows 98 SE? Of couse, I'm not referring to the horrible memory handling of the latter
[13:09] <floating> while at it, i thought that i could try fix my other problem, which is not xubuntu related, so i would like to ask if there is a irc channel that is related to this problem :)
[13:09] <floating> i get error from x-server and gdk: lkeyholetv:6956): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_colormap_get_screen: assertion `GDK_IS_COLORMAP (cmap)' failed  ,when i try run this one program
[13:10] <ablomen> and what app is that?
[13:11] <floating> linux keyhole tv
[13:12] <floating> i emailed the author of the program and got following info, but i dont know how to do what he says :
[13:12] <floating> http://pastebin.ca/1253249
[13:14] <ablomen> heh havnt got a clue
[13:15] <floating> there is no channel called #gdk or #x-server o.o
[13:15] <ablomen> that would be #xorg
[13:15] <ablomen> but i cant imagine you having 256colors
[13:16] <ablomen> you would have noticed that ;)
[13:18] <ablomen> and gdk is part of gtk btw
[13:18] <floating> yeah.. i think i have many more :)
[13:21] <floating> do you know how i can check whether my gdk is old or new
[13:23] <floating> and graphics drivers.. i think xubuntu installed some default drivers to my laptops graphic card
[13:25] <floating> i dont even know what graphic card i have :o)
[13:35] <floating> is it usual to have many options for graphic drivers in linux ? i found out this for my card http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=1862&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go!
[13:36] <floating> then at the website for linux drivers for intel, it starts with " Compiling and/or upgrading graphics drivers in Linux is a complex and error-prone task."
[13:39] <ablomen> well but you shouldnt have to compile
[13:40] <ablomen> what card do you have? (lspci)
[13:40] <floating> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[13:43] <ablomen> xserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver < dont know if  your card is in the i9** series
[13:43] <TheSheep> floating: that driver is included in xubuntu alredy
[13:44] <floating> this app im trying to run fails because of gdk/x-server problem, and author says that i could try changing graphic card drivers if possible
[13:45] <floating> but first i would try check my gdk version if it is old, but cant find out how.. using google
[13:45] <TheSheep> apt-cache policy package-name-here
[13:47] <floating> i dont know the package name
[13:48] <floating> http://pastebin.ca/1253249 heres the things i could try do but.. well, im almost done
[13:48] <floating> i must have over 256 colors, so thats not it
[13:52] <floating> ablomen: xserver-xorg-video-intel seems to be installed
[13:53] <ablomen> yeah it should be
[13:53] <ablomen> it might be enabled already too
[13:54] <ablomen> could you try grep "Driver" /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:55] <floating> i get only kbd, mouse and synaptics entries
[13:57] <floating> im using dual-screen system, so my resolution is 1680x1050
[13:57] <floating> put another screen next to other with xrandr
[13:58] <floating> is it possible that this eats all the colors ? the author says that "or if other application uses a lot of colors"
[14:01] <floating> theres 1900x800 as a virtual size actually
[14:17] <juanantonio> Hello. Which is the less ressources consomation system for old systems, Xubuntu or Windows 98 SE? Of couse, I'm not referring to the horrible memory handling of the latter
[14:40] <MrNaz> i'm trying to use the xfce4-mixer to turn the mic volume up, but every time i raise it above zero, the slider "snaps" back down
[14:40] <MrNaz> what's the story ?
[14:46] <Shoopuf> MrNaz: That's a pretty common problem, I've seen it in Ubuntu for years...  All volume sliders bounce up and down erraticaly from maximum to minimum -- making changing volume a difficult task.
[14:47] <MrNaz> any idea how to resolve it ?
[14:52] <damien> i'm running xubuntu 8.04 and i'm having some trouble setting up a nice dark theme
[14:53] <damien> i'm using Aurora-midnight theme
[14:53] <damien> but the title bars are blue and i can't work out how to change that
[14:53] <damien> and still keep the nice darkness
[14:54] <TheSheep> damien: use a different window manager theme
[14:56] <damien> they all bring with them this odd blue colour
[14:56] <ablomen> or, if you installed it to your ~/.themes directory, edit the ~/.themes/ThemeName/themerc file
[14:56] <damien> they are default themes
[14:57] <ablomen> ah
[14:57] <ablomen> well you could try finding the src archive and extracting that to your ~/.themes folder then you can edit the name and change what you want to change
[14:58] <damien> some window manager themes are more suitable and dont have the crazy blue, ill stick with those for the time being
[14:59] <damien> is it "bad" to use the GTK+ theme plugin in Pidgin to manipulate the colours?
[15:35] <dissociative> how can I change the locale setting in xubuntu 8.10?
[16:23] <Woo> I have a sh file in my home folder, how can I install it?
[16:24] <dcolish> Woo: have you read the script to see what it does?
[16:25] <Woo> No
[16:25] <dcolish> Did it come from a source you trust?
[16:25] <Woo> Yes
[16:25] <Woo> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php
[16:26] <dcolish> ok chmod +x <the script> then run sudo ./<thescript>
[16:38] <Taza> Well, I found the icon bug.
[16:38] <Taza> It used old icons.
[17:16] <Woo> run sudo ./boinc_6.2.15_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh gives me command not found
[18:18] <Taza> Intrepid Ibex and bt are not working together
[18:39] <ketsueki^> Hello all!
[18:39] <privet_> what is the default application to connect/browse SAMBA shares with?
[18:39] <ketsueki^> Please tell me, how can I manually add an icon to the "applications" branch of the XFCE menu?
[18:39] <privet_> (except for smbclient itself!)
[18:40] <ketsueki^> I installed an application from .deb package, it works fine and I can run it from the terminal.
[18:40] <ketsueki^> But still there's no icon present to run it automaticaly.
[18:41] <dcolish> ketsueki^: you're looking for a launcher http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.0/manuals/xfce4-panel#subpanels
[18:42] <dcolish> you should use the xfce4-menueditor
[18:46] <ketsueki^> ok, I'll check it out, thanks
[18:49] <Taza> Blech
[18:49] <Taza> NetworkManager is double-retarded in 8.10
[18:51] <dcolish> Taza: if you dont like NM, try out wicd. I dont know if it supports ppp scripts, but I like it for general wifi/ether config
[18:51] <Taza> "Try out this. It may or may not even try to do what you want to do."
[18:51] <Taza> I like NM, it just doesn't do mobile connections even halfway right
[18:52] <Taza> I have my phone connected via bluetooth at /dev/rfcomm0
[18:52] <Taza> Does NM even allow adding the device? No.
[19:34] <Ultraputz> banshee not opening soma fm since the 8.10 update. any one got any ideas?
[19:34] <Ultraputz> similar issues?
[19:35] <Ultraputz> good morning dcolish
[19:35] <dcolish> Hey Ultraputz
[19:40] <romanov_> **Hello, I'm in xubuntu and I want to share my internet connection with a windows xp desktop, What I Must do ?
[19:44] <Ultraputz> rom - get a router
[19:47] <dcolish> romanov_: you will have to configure your linux system as a gateway for the windows system. How many nics do you have on the linux box?
 only one nick
[19:49] <dcolish> romanov_: sorry i mean nic, network interface card, ethernet/wifi adapters
 I have 1 ADSL modem and two network cards : 1 in my xubuntu computer and 1 in win xp computer
[19:53] <dcolish> romanov_:  well you're one piece of equipment short. you need another nic in one of those computers or a separate routing device. if the modem can route(which is doubtful) then you'll only need a switch
 the two computers are connected with ordinary wire
[19:55] <dcolish> romanov_: to each other? if so with what? it should be a crossover cable
 yes
[19:57] <TheSheep> romanov_: google for masquerade
[19:57] <Taza> Ultraputz: I reinstalled
[19:57] <Taza> Ultraputz: Only problems I had were Bluetooth and having to install a 3rd party kernel for the device drivers
[19:58] <Ultraputz> otherwise a-ok ?
[19:58] <Taza> Yeah
[19:58] <Ultraputz> if anyone wants to take a look at my banshee problem, here's output  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m75e56e0a   :-)
 so I nead to have separated connection for the two desktop with a switch from the modem
[19:58] <Ultraputz> rock on
[19:58] <Taza> NM is still as retarded as ever, so I copied over my /etc/chatscripts and /etc/ppp/peers/
[19:58] <Ultraputz> so it's a happy little box again?
[19:58] <Ultraputz> ok
[19:59] <Taza> Devices are working. Not returned my software config yet
[19:59] <Taza> What's the proper way to remap caps lock to pipe btw?
[19:59] <Ultraputz> you might write a script that backs up what you had to mess with ... just in case :-)
[19:59] <Ultraputz> hang on
[19:59] <Taza> I don't need the caps lock key and pipe is behind a function key making it hard to use
[19:59] <dcolish> romanov_: unless your modem can act as a router, no. the linux box can act as a gateway if you can attach the modem to it either with ethernet or usb
[20:00] <Ultraputz> i actually have some custom bindings, but i can't remember where i put 'em
 ok so no mean to do this like an windows -> linux connection
[20:01] <romanov_>  <dcolish> by a software
[20:01] <dcolish> romanov_: not sure what is going where but ideally it should be <modem> -> <router/linuxbox> -> windows
[20:02] <Taza> Ultraputz: BTW, the solution to The Big Bluetooth Pairing Problem - switch to an earlier kernel *version* (not just revision), run bluetooth-wizard, revert back to the new kernel
[20:02] <Ultraputz> how did you figure that out?
[20:03] <Taza> By fetching out the info from a dozen threads. Was a pain.
[20:04] <Ultraputz> cam
[20:04] <Ultraputz> can't find it atm, but i think setxkbmap or something?
[20:05] <Ultraputz> xmodmap
[20:05] <Ultraputz> that's it
[20:05] <romanov_>  <dcolish> ok thank you for these informations ...
[20:05] <Ultraputz> i use xmodmap to remap the buttons on my maus
[20:06] <Ultraputz> and also to remap the keyboard so it's familiar to an old NeXT user :-)
[20:06] <dcolish> romanov_: np, good luck with the routing. You can pick up cheap routers anywhere, but setting up the linux routing should be easy enough
[20:06] <Ultraputz> (shift-esc = ~, etc.)
[20:10] <Guest93212> hello?
[20:10] <Ultraputz> (everyone stay quiet until Guest93212 has left.) :-)
[20:10] <Guest93212> ha ha
[20:10] <Guest93212> :)
[20:11] <Guest93212> Got a question and don't know who to ask - was told there were some nice people here
[20:12] <dcolish> Guest93212: ask away please
[20:12] <Ultraputz> nice? no. we just wait for you to explain your problem in detail and they laugh very loudly. :-)
[20:12] <Ultraputz> we then
[20:12] <Ultraputz> er then
[20:12] <Guest93212> just installed xubuntu but can't get it to recognise the server on my network
[20:12] <Ultraputz> which server?
[20:13] <Guest93212> home network - I'm on Wifi which it clearly recognises as I'm talking to you now on that
[20:13] <Guest93212> won't pick up my files on a Windows machine which I'm using as a network server
[20:13] <Ultraputz> oh
[20:14] <Guest93212> My ubuntu machine does
[20:14] <Guest93212> Doesn't seem to recognise the network is there except to get on the internet
[20:14] <Ultraputz> ok
[20:14] <dcolish> Guest93212: can you ping/traceroute the network server?
[20:15] <Ultraputz> what windows version? xp/vista?
[20:15] <Hikefu> Do you have samba installed?
[20:15] <Guest93212> ok - I'm an ubuntu virgin - talk me through
[20:15] <Guest93212> server runs win XP
[20:16] <Hikefu> I'm not sure about getting working on Xubuntu, I use Ubuntu most of the time. But if you can't get it here, there should be people to help in $ubuntu
[20:17] <Ultraputz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba
[20:17] <Guest93212> just checking to see if samba is installed - will synaptic tell me?
[20:17] <Ultraputz> that's a nice overview
[20:17] <Ultraputz> sort of
[20:17] <Hikefu> Yes, it will.
[20:17] <Ultraputz> it will tell you whether or not the packages are installed
[20:17] <Ultraputz> whether or not they're working / set up is another question :-)
[20:17] <Guest93212> box is not checked - could be that then?
[20:18] <Ultraputz> might read the overview first
[20:18] <Ultraputz> according to it, that should do it
[20:18] <Ultraputz> that's for server though
[20:18] <Ultraputz> you may want a samba client
[20:19] <Ultraputz> in that case, you use something called smbclient / smbfs
[20:19] <Hikefu> from command line, sudo apt-get install samba or just check same and apply the change
[20:19] <Guest93212> installing now...
[20:19] <Ultraputz> hike - that's to set up the samba server?
[20:19] <Ultraputz> only if you want computer to be a domain controller?
[20:19] <Guest93212> ah
[20:19] <Hikefu> Oh
[20:19] <Hikefu> Maybe
[20:19] <Hikefu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[20:19] <Ultraputz> hike - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba
[20:20] <Hikefu> this link is for window shares -- you might need to dig a bit to get to something recent.
[20:20] <Hikefu> It's for doing it in thunar
[20:21] <Ultraputz> (thunar is the file browser window in xubuntu)
[20:22] <Hikefu> so Guest93212, it would work similar to Nautilus file manager in Ubuntu, where you can just click on the network icon.
[20:22] <Guest93212> just following - that's what I'm hoping
[20:23] <Hikefu> Though on Ubuntu, it's all installed by default, so I'm happy :)
[20:23] <Hikefu> I'd check in #ubuntu if you have more problems too. There are a lot of good guys in there.
[20:24] <Guest93212> now I've got Samba according to synaptic there still is nothing to click on for my network
[20:24] <Guest93212> I'll check those links you sent
[20:25] <Guest93212> (see, there really are nice people in here) :-)
[20:28] <Guest93212> Thanks for your help - those links look promising - bye
[20:29] <dcolish> have any of you tried xsmbrowser?
[20:29] <volo> hi
[20:30] <Ultraputz> nope
[20:30] <Ultraputz> hey volo
[21:17] <Guits_> I tried to install xubuntu on usbdrv ...cannot get it right
[21:17] <Guits_> is it supposed to be booting into live cd menu
[21:21] <Guits_> what do i do next
[21:55] <privet_> why would "copy&paste" on a xterm not be working?
[21:55] <privet_> I copy on a xterm and trying to paste into firefox
[21:56] <crimsun> xterm has different behaviour
[21:56] <crimsun> if the selected area scrolls between copying and attempting to paste, the paste will silently fail
[21:59] <privet_> crimsun: no- happens even when it is not scrolling
[21:59] <crimsun> hmm, what are you copying from?
[22:00] <crimsun> I can't reproduce the behaviour
[22:00] <privet_> crimsun: just text from a logfile running inside a xterm
[22:00] <privet_> hhmmmm
[22:00] <privet_> I am running on 8.1
[22:00] <privet_> thanks anyway
[22:01] <crimsun> what about from external to the logfile?
[22:01] <crimsun> I can't reproduce this in any terminal emulator into ff, actually
[22:01] <vidd> what is the command to fix grub?
[22:03] <privet_> xterm to xterm works...
[22:06] <dcolish> vidd: sudo grub-install <dev> this is a good thread on it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=862235
[23:59] <juanantonio> Hello, there someone?
[23:59] <vidd> hello juanantonio