[15:00] <slyon> o/
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <bdmurray> o/
[15:02] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 18 15:02:33 2020 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:03] <xnox> hola
[15:03] <rbalint> o/
[15:03] <bdmurray> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity mwhudson juliank waveform slyon)
[15:03] <bdmurray> vorlon waveform infinity mwhudson sil2100 bdmurray xnox rbalint tdaitx doko juliank slyon
[15:03] <juliank> o/
[15:04] <vorlon>  * various debian-cd, ubuntu-cdimage reviews for groovy
[15:04] <vorlon>  * landed change to ubuntu-cdimage to drop checksums < SHA256
[15:04] <vorlon>  * reviewed the keysigning output from Frankfurt (finally)
[15:05] <vorlon> (done)
[15:05] <bdmurray> Dave is out
[15:05] <bdmurray> so sil2100
[15:05] <sil2100> o/
[15:06] <sil2100> - Shorter week due to PTO last week
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Lots of backlog reading
[15:06] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases (with HWE reviews for the point-releases)
[15:06] <sil2100> - +1 maintenance on Monday and Tuesday
[15:06] <sil2100> - DMB meeting
[15:06] <sil2100> - neplan:
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Reviewing PRs for documentation versioning and NM globbing/route integration tests
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Review PR for arm64 autopkgtest breakage with new NM
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Sponsoring the above for groovy (in progress)
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Started reviewing OVS controller (and others!) PR - looking good so far!
[15:06] <sil2100> - ubuntu-image:
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Reviewed PR for UC20 new snap prepare-image copytree mechanics, requested changes, needs re-review
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Reviewed PR for fdisk dependency change, sponsored into groovy
[15:06] <sil2100> - Prepared and uploaded backports for python-botocore, python-s3transfer and awscli for the CPC team
[15:06] <sil2100> - Appliance related meetings
[15:06] <sil2100> - UC20 status discussions
[15:06] <sil2100> - Built some test pi3-uc18-legacy images for cert testing (for the legacy images out there)
[15:06] <sil2100> - Continued some work on appliance cdimage stuff
[15:06] <sil2100> (done)
[15:07] <bdmurray> +1 maintenance
[15:07] <bdmurray> sync'ed golang-github-maraino-go-mock from debian
[15:07] <bdmurray> worked on having the ISO tracker display testcases for RPi hardware
[15:07] <bdmurray> worked on, submitted a PR for apt-hook changes
[15:07] <bdmurray> review of packages without subscribers
[15:07] <bdmurray> SRU verification of LP: #1874591, LP: #1826213
[15:07] <bdmurray> SRU special reviews of awscli, python-botocore, python-s3transfer
[15:07] <bdmurray> that's all I have written down somehow
[15:07] <bdmurray> xnox:
[15:07] <xnox> sponsored things to get fonts-dejavu to migrate
[15:07] <xnox> retried bzip2 & uploaded cross-building test skip on i386 to get bzip2 to migrate
[15:07] <xnox> started icu 67 transition (which also should have CET patch built in)
[15:07] <xnox> cd-boot-images-$arch arch:all migration completed
[15:07] <xnox> ppc64le enabled for cd-boot-images
[15:07] <xnox> arm64 proposal in review
[15:07] <xnox> TODO amd64 enablement
[15:07] <xnox> TODO ubiquity vendor d-i
[15:07] <xnox> completed migration of dual signing with 2018&2012 key, groovy is now only signed with 2018 key
[15:07] <xnox> New libica for s390x https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libica/+bug/1878650
[15:07] <xnox> New opencryptoki for s390x https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opencryptoki/+bug/1882808
[15:07] <xnox> A bunch of my SRUs got released, thank you all
[15:08] <xnox> Progressing with missing CET rebuilds
[15:08] <xnox> done
[15:08] <bdmurray> rbalint:
[15:08] <rbalint> (short week)
[15:08] <rbalint> * partner work
[15:08] <rbalint> * LP: #1877078
[15:08] <rbalint> * meetings with discussions about optimizing autopkgtest usage
[15:08] <rbalint> * +1 maintenance - ongoing
[15:08] <rbalint> (done)
[15:09] <bdmurray> tdaitx_:
[15:09] <bdmurray> doko:
[15:09] <doko>  - two days of +1 maintenace
[15:09] <doko>  - CET: glibc upload
[15:09] <doko>  - CET: look at interaction of -flto and -cf-protection
[15:09] <doko>  - report a GCC 9 regression, test backport, upload
[15:09] <doko>  - still need to look at the ftbfs of the GCC offload compilers
[15:09] <doko> (done)
[15:09] <bdmurray> juliank:
[15:09] <juliank> * short week, swapped last friday
[15:10] <juliank> * internal stuff
[15:10] <juliank> * pending: grub: Add "dis_ucode_ldr" to linux boot options for Recovery Mode (LP: #1831789)
[15:10] <juliank> (done)
[15:10] <slyon> - will be off tomorrow
[15:10] <slyon> - Finished work on ubuntu-bug/apport snap handling, bug #1861082
[15:10] <slyon>   * Fixed in 2.20.11-0ubuntu40
[15:10] <slyon> [15:10] <slyon> - Finished & Merged docs setting versioning, PR#137
[15:10] <slyon> - Debugged & Fixed arm64 autopkgtest failure PR#146
[15:10] <slyon>   * distro-patch for Groovy awaiting review + sponsor:
[15:10] <slyon>     https://code.launchpad.net/~slyon/netplan/+git/ubuntu/+merge/385995
[15:10] <slyon> - Debugged & Fixed tests for new NM interface globbing/routing, PR#140
[15:10] <slyon> - Wrote a NetworkManager plugin "test plan" document
[15:10] <slyon>   * Shared with Desktop & Field teams, via foundations-crew
[15:10] <slyon> - Working on OVS patch-ports & ssl settings & integration tests, PR#147
[15:10] <slyon> (done)
[15:10] <bdmurray> speaking of bug 1861082 should we SRU that to 20.04?
[15:11] <slyon> I guess it might be useful for the LTS
[15:11] <bdmurray> I think so, vorlon?
[15:12] <vorlon> yeah that looks like a good thing to SRU
[15:12] <slyon> vorlon, bdmurray. I can prepare this SRU
[15:12] <bdmurray> slyon: great
[15:12] <bdmurray> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:13] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:13] <bdmurray> bug 1874192
[15:13] <bdmurray> So while that's not important it seems like something somebody doing the next upload of update-notifier could do.
[15:14] <vorlon> so do you think it needs carded/tracked?
[15:15] <bdmurray> I don't think it needs it but don't know if there is a better way to track it.
[15:15] <vorlon> maybe you want to just immediately claim the card and commit it to git and we can move on :)
[15:15] <bdmurray> Maybe targetted and not carded and hope the next uploader looks at targeted bugs.
[15:15] <vorlon> ok
[15:15] <bdmurray> okay
[15:16] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:17] <mclemenceau> o/
[15:17] <bdmurray> bug 1863434
[15:17] <juliank> sigh
[15:17] <vorlon> - invisible_ink=yes
[15:17] <vorlon> + invisible_ink=no
[15:18] <bdmurray> lol
[15:18] <vorlon> this is looking like a piled-on meta bug
[15:19] <juliank> I doN't understand the bug
[15:19] <vorlon> I don't think we should take it
[15:19] <bdmurray> What is the medium post about?
[15:19] <juliank> it says to add
[15:19] <juliank> GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu
[15:19] <juliank> GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[15:19] <juliank> to /etc/default/grub
[15:22] <vorlon> notfixing based on confusing metabugness
[15:23] <bdmurray> bug 1829401 is already carded
[15:23] <vorlon> bdmurray: so do you want me to target it?
[15:23] <bdmurray> vorlon: I'm cleaning it up
[15:23] <vorlon> ok
[15:23] <bdmurray> bug 1875062
[15:24] <bdmurray> Isn't that the same keyboard stuff we've been looking at? xnox?
[15:25] <xnox> yes
[15:26] <bdmurray> bug 1557739
[15:27] <bdmurray> This doesn't seem too important
[15:27] <vorlon> agreed
[15:28] <vorlon> ancient, infrequent
[15:28] <bdmurray> There is an errors bucket with nothing new in it too
[15:28] <vorlon> so -notfixing?
[15:28] <bdmurray> yes, done
[15:28] <bdmurray> bug 1755452
[15:29] <vorlon> also doesn't look like a priority, if the reproducer is that ubiquity crashes when you quit it
[15:30] <vorlon> (valid bug; shouldn't be prioritized)
[15:30] <bdmurray> okay
[15:31] <bdmurray> bug 1858013
[15:32] <bdmurray> Is the power cable status supposed to be there?
[15:32] <vorlon> "I wanted to double check instead of rely on memory - I downloaded the most recent build and the status icon on the top right is correct for me.
[15:32] <vorlon> "
[15:33] <bdmurray> So that slide of the installer is no longer there
[15:34] <vorlon> ok sounds like the problem is the iso tracker test case needs updated
[15:34] <bdmurray> yeah
[15:34] <vorlon> and we should do something about that, but it's not a code fix
[15:34] <vorlon> so should we take this card for the isotracker changes?
[15:35] <bdmurray> sounds reasonable
[15:35] <bdmurray> bug 1867007
[15:36] <rbalint> i think it is fixed
[15:37] <rbalint> no, i seem to be wrong
[15:41] <bdmurray> that seems like zfs / desktop team stuff
[15:41] <bdmurray> bug 1867465
[15:45] <vorlon> notfixing but getting it reassigned to systemd
[15:45] <bdmurray> let's stop there then
[15:45] <vorlon> (to figure out why the interface names are different between the two drivers)
[15:45] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:46] <vorlon> [LINK] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:46] <vorlon> the one at the top was golang-defaults, which I vaguely intimated last week should be given to mwhudson
[15:46] <vorlon> but of course he's not in the meeting
[15:46] <vorlon> so I'll follow up more concretely this week
[15:47] <vorlon> util-linux: bdmurray: is this still you?
[15:47] <bdmurray> Well I haven't gotten a chance to start but yes
[15:47] <vorlon> ok
[15:47] <vorlon> python-secretstorage is still the MIR
[15:47] <vorlon> vim is still me (I also haven't worked on it in the past week)
[15:48] <vorlon> xnox: bzip2 is yours
[15:48] <xnox> and in progress, sort of
[15:48] <vorlon> should be easy, it's just i386 autopkgtest regression
[15:48] <vorlon> :)
[15:49] <vorlon> oops, a refresh of the page makes bzip2 go away (or rather, farther down the list)
[15:49] <vorlon> numpy: it was "waiting" on some tests that were apparently not actually queued
[15:49] <vorlon> so I've requeued them and that should finally clear on its own today
[15:50] <vorlon> autopkgtest was me, I think gscan2pdf just needs to be hinted
[15:50] <vorlon> as a badtest
[15:51] <vorlon> (regardless, I'll follow up)
[15:51] <vorlon> then there are things blocked on perl migration
[15:51] <vorlon> and apt: juliank, you on this?
[15:51] <juliank> yeah, I'll look at stuff tomorrow
[15:53] <vorlon> libarchive
[15:53] <vorlon> doko: this was assigned to you, do you still have it?
[15:53] <doko> yes, not yet done
[15:53] <vorlon> ok
[15:54] <vorlon> juliank: are you also still on dpkg?
[15:54] <juliank> yes
[15:54] <vorlon> ok
[15:55] <vorlon> python-attrs was me last week, I fixed the autopkgtest blocker, now there are pypy revdeps to sort; I'll take it
[15:55] <vorlon> dpkg/make-dfsg also juliank
[15:55] <juliank> +1
[15:56] <vorlon> sqlite3 not yet assigned
[15:57] <vorlon> sil2100: can you take this?
[15:58] <sil2100> Sure!
[15:58] <vorlon> thanks
[15:58] <sil2100> Carding
[15:58] <vorlon> then more things waiting on perl or blocking perl; probably mostly autopkgtest retries so I'll take this
[15:58] <rbalint> vorlon, i've retried systemd already
[15:59] <vorlon> libzstd vs badger, a go package build failure, may just require a hint
[15:59] <vorlon> slyon: can you take libzstd and figure out if this should be badtest hinted?
[16:00] <slyon> yes!
[16:00] <vorlon> thanks
[16:00] <vorlon> rbalint: can you take libxcrypt?
[16:00] <rbalint> sure, carding it
[16:01] <vorlon> doko: can you take cdebconf?
[16:01] <vorlon> procps vs autopkgtest, I'm retriggering against -proposed
[16:02] <vorlon> libuv1 has autopkgtest regressions on all archs; who can take this?
[16:02] <vorlon> bdmurray?
[16:02] <bdmurray> okay
[16:03] <vorlon> and netplan.io vs iproute2
[16:03] <doko> vorlon: I can try, but I'm running short on time preparing the binutils & GCC upgrades
[16:03] <slyon> netplan.io might be fixed with the -0ubuntu5 update I've proposed for merging today...
[16:03] <vorlon> slyon: is this related to what you're working on? ok
[16:03] <vorlon> slyon: then this is yours
[16:03] <slyon> sure
[16:03] <vorlon> doko: ack
[16:04] <vorlon> glibc, I'll throw these back in the queue, but also it's waiting on arm tests to finish
[16:04] <vorlon> and I think we'll stop there for today
[16:04] <vorlon> bdmurray:
[16:04] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[16:05] <bdmurray> alright thanks everybody
[16:05] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[16:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 16:05:58 2020 UTC.
[16:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-06-18-15.02.moin.txt
[16:05] <sil2100> o/
[16:06] <rbalint> o/
[16:06] <mclemenceau> o/
[16:06] <slyon> o/
[16:06] <vorlon> thanks!


[01:20] <speedy493> hello all, I recently installed Lubuntu on my Asus 1215N as it was faster than Linux Mint, however when I used the built in feature to install the nvidia driver, it now gets stuck on "checking battery state" on boot.
[03:16] <craigbass1976> I'm setting up a new lubuntu box for my kids.  Am I going to be able to upgrade this like I do regular ubuntu?
[03:17] <szczur> yes, there's no difference in this aspect
[03:17] <craigbass1976> Any lubuntu installs I've done before were lxde installs on top of regular gnome ubuntu
[03:17] <craigbass1976> szczur, ok.  Thanks.
[03:21] <craigbass1976> szczur, did I read somewhere about lubuntu not being quite the same as the equivalent version of ubuntu, xubuntu, etc?
[03:22] <szczur> craigbass1976, were not the official ubuntu derivative as k/x/ubuntu is. but we're aiming to become one at 11.04 if i remember correctly
[03:24] <craigbass1976> szczur, when's the next LTS, 12.04?
[03:25] <szczur> probably :)
[03:25] <szczur> 8.04 > 10.04 so next would be the 12.04
[03:26] <craigbass1976> Is this room getting busier?  Any usage  stats out there?
[03:28] <szczur> don't know about stats, but you can read the logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[10:12] <Yorvyk> \o/ no more flickering panel
[10:14] <AbhiJit> hello?
[10:15] <Yorvyk> AbhiJit, Hi
[10:15] <AbhiJit> Yorvyk, i cant find lbntu lts lucid torrent link?
[10:17] <AbhiJit> helpp
[10:18] <Yorvyk> AbhiJit, Just A sec
[10:18] <AbhiJit> ok
[10:20] <Yorvyk> AbhiJit, http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/
[10:21] <AbhiJit> Yorvyk, thank you!
[10:22] <Yorvyk> AbhiJit, OK, bookmark that link the torrents should always be there.
[10:23] <AbhiJit> yeah
[10:26] <phillw> AbhiJit: Yorvyk if you follow the link on the room topic, it also takes you there :)
[10:27] <AbhiJit> phillw, 10.04
[10:27] <AbhiJit> i dont want 10.10
[10:28] <phillw> AbhiJit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#10.04
[10:28] <AbhiJit> yeak
[10:28] <AbhiJit> ok
[10:30] <Yorvyk> phillw, pehaps the link could be altered to take you to http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/ rather than straight to the download
[10:31] <phillw> AbhiJit: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=94 has how to check the iso and cd, as the self test did not work on the 10.04 release.
[10:31] <AbhiJit> i see
[10:31] <AbhiJit> hmm
[10:33] <wyclif> hello
[10:33] <phillw> I will get the 10.04 instructions re-added to the help area.
[10:33] <AbhiJit> ok
[10:35] <phillw> Yorvyk: as the 10.04 can not self test, and it was creating support issues I thought it better to just leave the 10.10 one. I'll get the instructions for 10.04 testing put back onto the wiki area.
[10:35] <phillw> hi wyclif
[10:35] <wyclif> Well, just installed lubuntu 10.10 on a ThinkPad, really pleased with the result: a nice hackable laptop
[10:36] <phillw> wyclif: thanks for dropping by. It is nice to have a compliment on here for a change :D
[10:36] <wyclif> Much faster without GNOME
[10:37] <wyclif> phillw: No, you guys are doing the right thing, lightweight is a good trend to be on
[10:37] <wyclif> I don't miss Nautilus at all, either =)
[13:02] <Verdinosaure> hi there,  I installed Lubuntu on an old computer
[13:02] <Verdinosaure> when I install and launch ubuntu-software-center, my processor is becoming crazy, just like my RAM memory
[13:03] <Verdinosaure> by doing "ps -aux", I can see that python is the reason why my computer almost crashes
[13:04] <Verdinosaure> I know ubuntu-software-center is heavy and should not be installed on lubuntu, but synaptic is not that "user-friendly"
[13:05] <phillw> Verdinosaure: that is why we do not use it.
[13:05] <Verdinosaure> phillw: so this is a known bug ?
[13:07] <phillw> Verdinosaure: there is a version  of lubuntu-software-center in development. The reason for the ubuntu one having problems is most likely having issues is GNOME depedencies, but as I'm not a dev I could well be totally wron.
[13:07] <phillw> *wrong*
[13:08] <Verdinosaure> phillw: ok, thanks for explaining. I hope we'll see that on lubuntu 11.04 ^^
[13:10] <phillw> more likely to be 11.10. The extremely small team of devs have their time being eaten up also by the commitment to support the 10.04 beta as if it were an LTS.
[13:15] <Verdinosaure> phillw: no problem, I know how to use synaptic and apt-get command lines ^^ I wish good luck for the team to make lubuntu an official derivative of ubuntu
[13:17] <phillw> Verdinosaure: thanks, do pop onto #lubuntu-offtopic if you ever just a general chat - we do not bite :D
[13:18] <phillw> *just want*
[15:47] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[15:47] <kristian-aalborg> hi phillw bioterror head_victim etc etc :)
[15:47] <kristian-aalborg> stupid question: does lxde support the full ubuntu repos?
[15:48] <stlsaint> oh i dont get a hello?
[15:48] <Yorvyk_> kristian-aalborg, Yes
[15:49] <kristian-aalborg> a good evening to stlsaint also
[15:49] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: oh yea to answer your question yes
[15:50] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: you can manage repos the same way you would within ubuntu
[15:50] <kristian-aalborg> good
[15:50] <kristian-aalborg> I was almost sure of that, but I wanted to be sure
[15:58] <kristian-aalborg> I don't mean to be rude, but what's the difference between lubuntu and barebones ubuntu + lxde?
[16:00] <Yorvyk_> Lubuntu is Ubuntu+LXDE+themes+a collection of applications basically
[16:02] <kristian-aalborg> ok
[16:03] <kristian-aalborg> if I choose the former method, can I get support here?
[16:04] <Yorvyk_> We’ll try and help :)
[16:05] <Yorvyk_> We can make guarantees as it may not be something many of us have done
[16:07] <kristian-aalborg> sure sure
[16:08] <kristian-aalborg> I'm not expecting to have a lot of questions, but distros/apps have different support politics
[16:09] <Yorvyk_> That’s the problem, even though what you want to do is Based on Ubuntu and so is LUbuntu things are just different enough to cause problems when try to overcome any problems.
[16:17] <bioterror> ahh hi
[16:18] <Yorvyk_> ih hha
[16:48] <realblurgh> Ahhh IRC, takes me back to 1994...<sigh>
[18:54] <jeward> Hi, I just installed lubuntu!  How do I get the proprietary drivers to install?
[18:54] <bioterror> what you need
[18:55] <jeward> I have Nvidia GPU and Broadcom wireless.
[18:56] <bioterror> xserver-xorg-video-nv - X.Org X server -- NV display driver
[18:56] <bioterror> vdpau-va-driver - VDPAU-based backend for VA API
[18:56] <bioterror> if you have vdpau capable gpu
[18:57] <bioterror> but
[18:57] <bioterror> you should try
[18:57] <bioterror> menu -> Preferences -> Additional drivers
[18:57] <jeward> Perfect, thank you!
[18:58] <bioterror> did it find something?
[18:58] <jeward> It found both drivers!
[18:58] <bioterror> :-)
[18:59] <jeward> Now I have to reboot to activate.  Any special advice about installing wine?
[18:59] <bioterror> you should rather drink it
[19:00] <bioterror> are you playing some games or why you need wine?-)
[19:00] <jeward> Yes, I play Windows games. :)
[19:00] <jeward> Just install it as if I were in regular Ubuntu?
[19:01] <jeward> I'll be back!
[19:01] <bioterror> okay
[19:01] <bioterror> jeward, yes
[19:01] <bioterror> just like in vanilla ubuntu
[19:01] <bioterror> there's really no difference how it works
[20:00] <kosaidpoo> hello guys
[20:01] <kosaidpoo> i;ve messed up all my folde i guess
[20:02] <kosaidpoo> well i was in the /var/www and in wordpress i wanted to edit a file and it says i cant so i went to /var  without thikin i jst typed sudo chown and owned evythin in var
[20:02] <kosaidpoo> can some one please tell me
[20:03] <kosaidpoo> whats the owners in var folder
[20:03] <kosaidpoo> root ?
[20:03] <kosaidpoo> hello
[20:03] <kosaidpoo> anyone hre
[20:08] <Yorvyk_> kosaidpoo, owner and group is root
[20:12] <Guest36307> Can anyone tell me how to get the driver for an HP PSC 1510 printer in lubuntu?
[20:13] <Guest36307> i know it's in CUPS, but it's apparently not a part of lubuntu
[20:13] <bioterror> lubuntu has same stuff as ubuntu
[20:14] <Guest36307> i thought so as well, i'm not sure why i can't get it
[20:14] <Guest36307> it has 900 series and 2200 series, nothing for 1500 series
[20:22] <jeward> I've just installed lubuntu 10.10, but grub doesn't see my win7 partition.  How do I get it to?
[20:23] <jeward> If I have a 64bit CPU, should I reinstall from a 64bit Ubuntu-mini and then lubuntu-desktop?
[20:23] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install os-proper
[20:23] <bioterror> prober
[20:24] <bioterror> :D
[20:24] <bioterror> sudo os-prober
[20:24] <bioterror> sudo update-grub
[20:24] <kosaidpoo> Yorvyk_: all the files in the var dir ??
[20:25] <kosaidpoo> Yorvyk_: cus in the www dir there was the www-data as a group
[20:26] <Yorvyk_> kosaidpoo, just the folder
[20:26] <jeward> bioterror: Thanks!  That did it!
[20:27] <jeward> bioterror: What do you think of the 64bit question?
[20:27] <bioterror> whaaat
[20:27] <bioterror> where
[20:27] <jeward> If I have a 64bit CPU, should I reinstall from a 64bit Ubuntu-mini and then lubuntu-desktop?
[20:27] <bioterror> do you have 4GB+++ rMA?
[20:27] <bioterror> RAM
[20:27] <bioterror> or less?
[20:28] <kosaidpoo> Yorvyk_: shud i own the var dir and its sub files too as in shjud i use the option -R of chown ?
[20:28] <jeward> 4GB RAM.
[20:28] <bioterror> then mini-install
[20:28] <bioterror> OR
[20:28] <bioterror> OR!
[20:28] <jeward> pae?
[20:28] <bioterror> yes
[20:28] <jeward> What advantage is there to mini-install?
[20:29] <jeward> lubuntu installed the pae kernel by default.
[20:29] <bioterror> as I've seen i686 is working better
[20:29] <bioterror> getting bugfixes and stuff
[20:29] <jeward> Linux M11x 2.6.35-24-generic-pae #42-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 2 03:21:31 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[20:29] <bioterror> you get flash from apt-get
[20:29] <jeward> I think I'll stick with pae then.
[20:30] <jeward> Oh yeah, what's the package lubuntu-restricted--???
[20:30] <jeward> addons or extras?
[20:30] <jeward> Or both? :)
[20:30] <bioterror> same as ubuntu-restricted
[20:31] <bioterror> but I think lubuntu has less stuff
[20:31] <bioterror> so you can go with it
[20:31] <kosaidpoo> .guys i get this when i try to use sudo [ sudo: /var/lib/sudo owned by uid 1000, should be uid 0
[20:31] <kosaidpoo> ]
[20:32] <jeward> You guys use openjdk or sun?
[20:32] <Yorvyk_> kosaidpoo,  everything I’ve looked at appears to be owned by root with group root.  But, I don’t have WWW-data so can’t say on that one
[20:33] <bioterror> jeward, sun ofcourse
[20:33] <bioterror> jeward, remove all that's related to openjdk and icedtea and then install sun-java6-jre,plugin,fonts,bin
[20:34] <jeward> bioterror: I just noiticed lubuntu-restricted is installed openjdk.
[20:35] <kosaidpoo> Yorvyk_: okies i guess i jst need to reinstall apache right ?? wht u think ?
[20:35] <bioterror> hahaha
[20:36] <kosaidpoo> hello phillw
[20:37] <phillw> kosaidpoo: why are you running apache?
[20:37] <kosaidpoo> phillw:  in the var dir i did a mistak and owned evrythin
[20:38] <kosaidpoo> so icant acces my site in the www phillw
[20:39] <kosaidpoo> phillw: and now owned everythin to root and still cannot acces my site
[20:39] <kosaidpoo> can you please check for ur www dir
[20:41] <phillw> kosaidpoo: did you follow the instructions on the classroom I gave?
[20:42] <kosaidpoo> yeh i had it installed along time ago fom that class phillw
[20:45] <phillw> kosaidpoo: can you pastebin up the result of 'ls -al /var/www' and pop the link back on here.
[20:46] <kosaidpoo> phillw: ok
[20:46] <phillw> kosaidpoo: actually as it non lubuntu, can you use the offtopic area, thanks.


[04:19] <mup> Bug #1732004 changed: arm64 shows 1 vs. 96 cores via Juju GUI version 2.10.2 <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732004>


[06:04] <Kilos> morning all
[06:04] <Gremble> o/
[06:05] <Kilos> so hows Gremble this morning
[06:06] <Kilos> im frozen here in pta
[06:08] <Gremble> I am well thank you. A bit chilly but home at least :P
[06:09] <Gremble> Exams are done and I seem to have passed everything with a couple of distinctions
[06:22] <Kilos> well done man
[06:24] <Gremble> Thanks. What are your plans for the day?
[06:24] <Kilos> hope the minetest lag is gone today haha
[06:24] <Kilos> i love playing minetest
[06:24] <Kilos> good for old heads
[06:25] <Gremble> haha. Good for heads of any age :P
[06:26] <Kilos> and hopefully i can get to install 14.04 server on old dual core pc
[06:27] <Kilos> oh and fight with my router, other pc can get in but it wont allow this one in
[06:27] <Kilos> grrr
[06:28] <Gremble> That is annoying.
[06:28] <Kilos> ya weird, i dunno if its because im running 64bit here
[06:30] <Gremble> Shouldnt be
[06:30] <Gremble> Unless there is a package on the 64bit that prevents router communication
[06:30] <Gremble> But I sort of doubt that
[06:30] <Kilos> my son fiddled with the seting up to get it to see my d-link modem from the other pc and it sees the modem and connects but wont share the link so the pc can go online
[06:30] <Kilos> grrr
[06:31] <Kilos> na i am using same browser on both
[06:31] <Kilos> i dont know enough
[06:31] <Kilos> old one can login as admin but this one cant even see it
[07:01] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:05] <Kilos> hi mazal
[07:05] <superfly> guten morgen
[07:06] <Kilos> hi superfly
[07:09] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:10] <superfly> was just showing the guys at work our ship
[07:10] <Kilos> cool
[07:10] <superfly> at+wopen=1
[07:10] <superfly> ai
[07:10] <Kilos> lag much better now
[07:10] <superfly> wrong window... anyone want to switch on their application?
[07:10] <Kilos> haha
[07:13] <Kilos> aw there it goes bad again
[07:17] <charl_> morning all
[07:18] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:18]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:21] <Kilos> hi charl_
[07:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[07:30] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:31] <Kilos> superfly, methinks the sheep must only have a short lifetime ive just watchhi inetpro wb'
[07:31] <Kilos> hi inetpro wb
[07:31] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[07:31] <Kilos> hi charl_
[07:31] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:31] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[07:31] <Kilos> ai!
[07:33] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[07:33]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:34] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[07:34] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:34] <Kilos> meeting tomorrow night
[07:37] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[07:39] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[07:39] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:42] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos
[07:59] <mazal> How late is meeting tomorrow oom Kilos ?
[08:08] <Kilos> 20.30
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[08:08] <Kilos> sorry was outside by sheep
[08:08] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:47] <Golynx> Kilos Opera 24 for linux is ready http://opr.as/g0W
[08:48] <Kilos> ah ty Golynx mine will most likely upgrade on its own
[08:49] <Golynx> np, i'm  not sure if 12 version will upgrade to the 24 version
[08:58] <Kilos> well what do you see thats better
[08:59] <Kilos> i only browse with it not irc and other stuff too
[08:59] <Kilos> downloads i use wget wherever possible
[09:00] <Kilos> i have pidgin and hexchat and konversation to chat with
[09:00] <Golynx> i cant try it , my ubuntu is still dead
[09:01] <Golynx> just thought you might like a new version of Opera :)
[09:01] <Kilos> havent you fixed it yet
[09:01] <Kilos> reinstalled
[09:01] <Kilos> ill have a look
[09:01] <Golynx> i know whats wrong
[09:01] <Kilos> tell me
[09:02] <Kilos> normally once you know the cause of a prob the cure isnt too hard to do
[09:03] <Golynx> i used sudo dpkg -i *.deb to unpack and install all the packages from the archives. I forgot to take out the drivers an some other software , so when i restarted there was a conflict with the drivers already installed
[09:04] <Kilos> you can boot from the dvd and move things around
[09:04] <Kilos> or mount the drive and run commands
[09:05] <Golynx> no worries its fixable
[09:05] <Kilos> do you have boot-repair
[09:06] <Golynx> i will use windows for now, ubuntu stuff takes long to setup
[09:06] <Kilos> ok
[09:06] <Golynx> the boot works fine
[09:11] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[09:12] <Kilos> hi bduk1
[09:13] <Kilos> can you boot into ubuntu Golynx ?
[09:16] <bduk1> If i have a manual i think
[09:17] <Kilos> ?
[09:18] <Golynx> Kilos nope, will have to reinstall
[09:18] <Kilos> Golynx, then the boot doesnt work fine
[09:19] <Kilos> boot-repair could fix it for you
[09:19] <Kilos> windows peeps talk a different language
[09:19] <Golynx> it shows graphics cant be detected then when i press ok it shuts down the pc
[09:20] <Golynx> i dunno about boot-repair
[09:21] <Golynx> will it still reinstall even when running alongside windows ?
[09:23] <Kilos> if you can get into the command line
[09:23] <Kilos> try ctrl+alt+f3
[09:24] <Golynx> ai my chargers pin will heat up like crazy again :(
[09:25] <Golynx> i think i will reinstall ubuntu again when my windows fails on me
[09:26] <Kilos> lol
[09:28] <Golynx> i will use ubuntu again, i just need a steady income so i can buy a new/better/more powerful pc :)
[10:25]  * Squirm looks around
[10:27] <Private_User> afternoon all
[10:27] <Private_User> hi Golynx
[10:27] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[10:27] <Private_User> hello Squirm
[10:27] <Golynx> hi Private_User
[10:29] <Squirm> hey'
[10:36] <Kilos> hi Squirm Private_User
[11:00] <superfly> Hai! Oom Kilos, you didn't tell us it's your birthday today!
[11:00] <superfly> Happy birthday Oom! May the good Lord bless you today!
[11:01] <Kilos> sorry superfly ty very much
[11:01] <Kilos> may he bless me everyday
[11:01] <Kilos> and all my friends
[11:01] <Kilos> its not an important one, only 63
[11:06] <Golynx> happy birthday uncle Kilos :)
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> happy birthday Kilos, have some extra cotton seeds
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> and take some cooked rat while you're there too :-D
[11:31] <Kilos> lol ty guys
[13:01] <charl_> ooh powerline is really coool
[13:01] <charl_> using it in both vim and tmux now
[13:29] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:46] <Kilos> wbb gonna reboot
[14:05] <charl_> wb Kilos
[14:06] <Kilos> ty charl_
[14:52] <Squirm> happy birth day Kilos
[14:52] <Kilos> ty Squirm
[15:58] <Kilos> inetpro, ive got no notification from g+ about tomorrow nights meet yet or does it only give on the day news
[17:48] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos!
[17:49] <Kilos> lo nuvolari gaanit seun
[17:49] <nuvolari> happy birthday to you, happy birthday toooo youuuu
[17:49] <Kilos> meeting tomorrow night hey
[17:49] <Kilos> hahaha ty laddy
[17:49] <nuvolari> Dit gaan goed dankie, maar nie so goed soos met oom nie!
[17:49] <nuvolari> ek sal hier try twees oom!
[17:50] <nuvolari> *wees
[17:50] <Kilos> man jy doen te veel ander goed deesdae
[17:50] <Kilos> kanseleer alle ander goed en wees by ons
[17:51] <nuvolari> ek soek werk oom
[17:52] <nuvolari> sal hopelik in 'n paar maande 'n rustiger lewe hê
[17:52] <nuvolari> dit belowe ek aan myself
[17:52] <Kilos> ja maar nie 20.30 more aand nie
[17:52] <Kilos> ek hoop jy vind gou iets wat jou gelukkig sal maak seun
[17:53] <Kilos> maar jy kannie ons so afskeep nie
[17:53] <Kilos> sies man
[17:53] <nuvolari> ek is jammer oom
[17:53] <Kilos> en jy vergeet jy is onder stoel
[17:54] <nuvolari> ek neem in gedagte dat ek wel meer tyd wil spandeer aan opensource development
[17:54] <nuvolari> wat ek niks hierdie jaar gedoen het nie
[17:54] <Kilos> apie ook nog nie gese hy sal hier wees nie
[17:55] <Kilos> jy ken nie eers van die nuwe mense nie
[17:55] <Kilos> Gremble, say hi to nuvolari
[17:55] <nuvolari> o/
[17:55]  * nuvolari tips hat at Gremble
[17:55] <Gremble> Oh, Hai
[17:55] <nuvolari> hai
[17:55] <nuvolari> pleased to meet you
[17:56] <Kilos> Gremble, you do java?
[17:56] <Gremble> Nice to meet you too nuvolari
[17:56] <Kilos> nuvolari, is a java man
[17:56] <Gremble> No.  Monthly meeting right here at 20.30 tomorrow night
[18:01] <Gremble> I don't like using the touch pad on my laptop, so I prefer tilers that I can operate with my keyboard
[18:01] <nuvolari> minimalism = win
[18:01] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! EARLY warning peeps. Monthly meeting right here at 20.30 tomorrow night
[18:02] <Kilos> Gremble, dit you tell me what exams?
[18:02] <Kilos> im allowed to forgt
[18:02] <Kilos> forget
[18:03] <Gremble> Oh, Mathematical modelling, fundamentals of database design and implementation, Information Ethics and History of Western and African Philosophy
[18:03] <Kilos> sjoe what a mix
[18:04] <Gremble> Quite.
[18:04] <Gremble> Next semester it is pretty much all math with philosophy and historical geology
[18:05] <Kilos> oi you hurt my head
[18:07] <Kilos> geology in my days was easier because the earth was still fla
[18:07] <Kilos> flat
[18:08] <Gremble> The earth is still flat. There are just a bunch of people denying it this time
[18:09] <Kilos> rofl
[18:09] <Kilos> my grandpa was a geologist
[18:09] <Kilos> still got lots of his rocks and stuff somewhere
[18:09] <Gremble> Mine was a typesetter at the stateprinters back in the day
[18:10] <Kilos> wow
[18:10] <Gremble> :P
[18:11] <Gremble> The wow part is that he is 82 and still weightlifts
[18:11] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:11] <Kilos> they dont make men like they used to
[18:14] <Kilos> jy mis die sports nuvolari klomp van ons speel minetest op vlieg se server
[18:23] <Gremble> http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m15/sf0JdVsk2/EN_efz17pc3r2.png Minecraft MTG
[18:24] <Kilos> what is that Gremble
[18:24] <Gremble> Magic the Gathering is a trading card game. Pretty fun. I used to play it when I was younger
[18:24] <Kilos> i see that little window in the centre. am i missing something
[18:25] <Gremble> That card was designed by Notch, the guy that made minecraft. So I thought that it could be mildly interested since you guys play minetest
[18:25] <Kilos> oh no we mine
[18:25] <Kilos> no cards
[18:25] <Kilos> oh ty
[18:25] <Kilos> hi superfly
[18:26] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:01] <kbmonkey> hello all
[19:02] <superfly> hi kbmonkey
[19:02] <Kilos> hi my kbmonkey
[19:02] <Kilos> meet tomorrow night hey
[19:03] <kbmonkey> saw your email kilos you are on the ball man
[19:04] <Kilos> i nearly left it late
[19:35] <kbmonkey> I just ran mkfs.ntfs and at the end it told me, "Have a nice day." :)
[19:36] <Gremble> Well, you had to run mkfs.ntfs, I am pretty sure it imagines you having a grubby day
[19:37] <Gremble> I am trying to figure out the stl implementation of a vector, but I feel really stupid haha
[19:37] <kbmonkey> It must be conext aware
[19:37] <Gremble> I can't seem to get my head around  const allocator_type& alloc = allocator_type() >.>
[19:38] <kbmonkey> I don't know what any of that means
[19:38] <Gremble> Me neither
[19:38] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <kbmonkey> o.O
[19:39] <kbmonkey> when you said vector I thought of physics forces :p
[19:39] <Gremble> :P
[19:40] <Gremble> Physics is simple enough xD
[19:41] <kbmonkey> what goes up, must come down crashing
[19:44]  * Kilos cries
[19:44] <Kilos> last saterday i had no lag at all on minetest
[19:45] <Kilos> so what happened
[19:45] <superfly> Gremble: I don't try to understand it... I just use it and am thankful I don't have to write C
[19:46] <Gremble> I want to get more versed in C. I am just trying to use pointers in C++ safely at the moment
[19:46] <Gremble> Using <memory>
[19:47] <kbmonkey> maybe coincidence, but minetest slowed down for me as the world got more explored.
[19:48] <Kilos> not here last sad we built the dam wall with no lag
[19:48] <Kilos> and i went far south the week before
[19:48] <kbmonkey> pointers. cringe.
[19:49] <kbmonkey> all the power of lasers with the volatility of tnt.
[19:50] <Kilos> ya blame ThatGraemeGuy he half killed minetest with his tnt testing
[19:50] <Kilos> hehe
[19:52] <Gremble> http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/vector This is the header file for the stl header
[19:52] <Gremble> IT does not say much xD
[19:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh
[19:53] <Gremble> I'm going to go to bed
[19:53] <Gremble> Cheers fellas
[19:53] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:53] <Kilos> hehe
[19:53] <kbmonkey> ouch,
[19:53] <kbmonkey> gn Gremble :)
[19:53] <kbmonkey> sometimes answers come in dreams
[19:54] <Kilos> sjoe even IT answers
[19:55] <Kilos> kbmonkey,
[19:55] <Kilos> did you say using that public servr was fast
[19:56] <Kilos> or did i dream it
[19:57] <kbmonkey> Kilos, it was playable. but I did not play, just tried out the lag.
[19:57] <Kilos> ah
[19:57] <kbmonkey> it was pretty ugly. every mod ever was installed and stuff built in all places.
[19:58] <Kilos> how did you get there just tick the public server block?
[19:58] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[19:58] <kbmonkey> an everyone was fighting over who took whose blocks :P
[19:58] <Vince-0> sUp 0/
[19:58] <Kilos> eish
[19:59] <kbmonkey> I think they were a bunch of kids, literally
[19:59] <Vince-0> kbmonkey: I mistakenly included your Email address with a forward to dbnlug list
[19:59] <Kilos> Vince-0, meeting here tomorrow night at 20.30
[20:00] <Kilos> im still waiting to see your lug peeps here
[20:00] <Kilos> even smileyborg stopped coming here
[20:00] <Vince-0> dossing
[20:00] <kbmonkey> hi Vince-0
[20:00] <Vince-0> hi kbmonkey
[20:01] <kbmonkey> you mean I will get the email twice? on the dlug list already
[20:01] <kbmonkey> dbnlug*
[20:01] <Vince-0> no* the forward included your Email in plain text
[20:01] <Vince-0> it wasn't supposed to
[20:01] <Vince-0> never mind
[20:01] <kbmonkey> ah that's fine :)
[20:04] <kbmonkey> Linux Voice #5 is out!
[20:06] <kbmonkey> wb Kilos
[20:07] <Kilos> ty i forget to leave the window when opening minetest then i lose my mouse popinter
[20:07] <Kilos> so open a terminal and reboot
[20:07] <Kilos> i dunno where it goes
[20:08] <kbmonkey> messing about with javascript. built a tiny dependency engine that toggles items by state. interesting...
[20:08] <Kilos> i forget to not leave the minetest window when opening
[20:08] <Kilos> but kinda late so ill say night all sleep tight
[20:09] <Kilos> see you tomorrow night for the meeting
[20:09] <kbmonkey> yes, minetest uses a SDL/OpenGL window that captures the pointer. just press Escape to release it.
[20:09] <kbmonkey> Reg Kilos, sleep tight.
[20:09] <Kilos> aha ty that will help
[20:09] <Kilos> tell inetpro there is a meet
[20:15] <Vince-0> yaawan
[20:15] <Vince-0> look at the time
[20:15] <Vince-0> lol, im ou
[20:15] <Vince-0> t


[12:04] <antonm> Happy release day!
[14:04] <dzho> I'm not seeing it as released, yet.
[16:08] <antonm> Hi
[16:08] <yano> hi
[16:08] <yano> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[16:08] <jenni> [ BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://bit.ly/2JuVDIq
[16:08] <yano> looks like today is supposed to be the day
[16:27] <dzho> and yet
[21:08] <dzho> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds
[21:08] <jenni> [ Bionic Final | Ubuntu QA ] - https://bit.ly/2JvZBk2
[21:47] <yano> aww, `do-release-upgrade` still isn't showing it available for me
[21:47] <dzho> it won't, until .1
[21:48] <yano> https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/1804
[21:48] <yano> :(
[21:48] <yano> oh
[21:51] <dzho> it's better that way ;-)
[21:55] <Unit193> yano: You can jump ahead, but if you use the usual releases it'll be available pretty soon™
[21:56] <dzho> #ubuntu-release-party is saying around midnight london time
[21:56] <Unit193> I'm fairly certain they say a lot of things. :>
[21:57] <Unit193> Up, infinity said it.  OK, you win!
[23:00] <dzho> ok, got the desktop-amd64 iso and have the torrent up and sending traffic outbound, for the cause
[23:00] <Unit193> Thanks.
[23:00] <Unit193> Just Ubuntu I presume?
[23:01] <dzho> me?
[23:02] <Unit193> Yeha.
[23:02] <dzho> yeah, just the one iso because that's one of the few I'm most likely to use, and the one I expect is going to get hit the hardest
[23:05] <dzho> it's official https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-April/000231.html
[23:05] <jenni> [ Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver) released ] - https://bit.ly/2JwgU4i
[23:05] <Unit193> Indeed!


[10:57] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[10:57] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 01 May 17:00: Kernel Team | 01 May 20:00: Mozilla Team | 02 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 02 May 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 03 May 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 08 May 22:00: Technical Board
[11:01] <avoine> @schedule Canada
[11:01] <zul> @schedule montreal
[11:01] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 01 May 11:00: Kernel Team | 01 May 14:00: Mozilla Team | 02 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 02 May 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 03 May 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 08 May 16:00: Technical Board
[11:02] <nifan> @schedule Lisbon
[11:02] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Lisbon: 01 May 16:00: Kernel Team | 01 May 19:00: Mozilla Team | 02 May 13:00: Edubuntu | 02 May 21:00: Xubuntu Developers | 03 May 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 08 May 21:00: Technical Board
[11:02] <nifan> neat
[11:29] <arualavi> @schedule Barcelona
[11:30] <arualavi> @schedule Andorra
[11:30] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Andorra: 01 May 17:00: Kernel Team | 01 May 20:00: Mozilla Team | 02 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 02 May 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 03 May 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 08 May 22:00: Technical Board


[05:34] <malice> I just got a new usb PCMCIA card for my laptop, but when I put it in and connect my usb device Ubuntu does not see anything. Anyone point me in the right direction?
[09:34] <Nailor> yuriy: Hi
[01:54] <malice>  I just got a new usb PCMCIA card for my laptop, but when I put it in and connect my usb device Ubuntu does not see anything. Anyone point me in the right direction?
[01:54] <Treenaks> malice: you might need to supply power
[01:54] <Treenaks> malice: and is it PCMCIA or Cardbus?
[01:54] <malice> yes
[01:54] <malice> my usb port on the back on the laptop is broke
[01:54] <Treenaks> that's not a yes/no answer
[01:54] <Treenaks> malice: is it a PCMCIA card,  or is it a Cardbus card?
[01:54] <malice> card bus
[01:54] <Treenaks> ok
[01:54] <malice> b 2.0 cardbus pc card
[01:54] <Treenaks> does it show up in 'lspci' output?
[01:54] <malice> I am a newbie
[01:55] <Treenaks> then perhaps asking on #ubuntu is a better idea
[01:55] <malice> I did they do not reply
[01:55] <malice> :)
[01:55] <Treenaks> however, please check if it shows up in the device manager, and also check if it might need an external power connection
[01:55] <malice> there is another power connector but it goes to the usb port
[01:56] <malice> and it is broke
[01:56] <malice> :)
[02:11] <malice> I took the power/ usb adapter over to the desktop pluged it in there then and turned on the laptop.. the car dnow works. I will have to find out the voltage that comes out of the usb and rig up a power adapter since my usb is brok on the laptop :) thanks for the help
[02:11] <Treenaks> USB usually takes 5V
[02:12] <Treenaks> or actually
[02:12] <Treenaks> delivers 5V on 2 of the 4 pins
[02:12] <Treenaks> check the relevant standard ;)
[02:13] <malice> I have a volt meter I will just check then splice the wire and go out and get a adaptor :)
[02:21] <Treenaks> don't do that... supplying power is 'special' in usb
[05:27] <malice_> Is there a way to add Windows blue screen of death to my ubuntu only Laptop? I would like this to pop up oh say every minute or so....
[05:28] <jsgotangco> huh?
[05:29] <jsgotangco> get the screensaver, there's one full of BSODs
[05:29] <giftnudel> malice_: there is a screensaver
[05:29] <jsgotangco> windows, macs, take your pick
[05:30] <malice_> thanks
[05:50] <yuriy> Nailor: you did the testing page on the asus v6j?
[07:03] <Nailor> yuriy: Yeah, I've been filling it up (and created it originally too)
[07:03] <Nailor> Some other contributors there too
[07:08] <Nailor> yuriy: why? You got something to contribute/add there? =)
[07:27] <Rroet> anyway, ik ben afk vanavond.
[07:27] <Rroet> Ik type morgen weer met jullie :)
[09:06] <lazzarello> I'm running into playback and recording problems with dapper on a macbook. recording doesn't record and playback has no volume control.
[09:07] <lazzarello> the driver is snd_hda_intel
[09:07] <crimsun> known issues, should be addressed in next kernel.
[09:07] <lazzarello> cool. is the patch in the upstream kernel?
[09:08] <crimsun> no
[09:08] <lazzarello> better said, can I build my own kernel for the time being?
[09:08] <crimsun> a new vmlinuz won't help you. The patches aren't in linus's tree.
[09:09] <crimsun> btw, "next kernel" above refers to the next Ubuntu revision for Dapper.
[09:10] <lazzarello> thanks
[10:38] <yuriy> Nailor: yeah i just got one and installed edgy on it and wanted to contribute
[10:38] <yuriy> Nailor: i've also had a couple problems and i wanted to ask if you've run into them
[10:44] <Nailor> yuriy: just shoot me here or to my mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:44] <yuriy> Nailor: well, one thing, does sleep/suspend work consistently for you?
[10:45] <Nailor> Yeah
[10:45] <Nailor> It though requires nvidia-glx to be installed
[10:45] <Nailor> The only problem so far I've found out was installing banshee (propably libipoddev or some other package it depended on) broke the suspend
[10:46] <yuriy> Nailor: it's installed. but sometimes instead of suspending the screen turns off but the power light stays constantly on and fan spinning, and I can't get out of that state
[10:46] <Nailor> Hmm.
[10:46] <Nailor> I've got that once or twice
[10:46] <yuriy> kubuntu btw
[10:46] <Nailor> Oh. I've got ubuntu, but don't think there's a big difference
[10:47] <Nailor> Anyway, I've got that once or twice and I'm rationaling that it might have something to do with package installs
[10:48] <yuriy> Nailor: and the other problem is if i turn off the wireless, then turn it back on, it's detected and stuff but connection says 0kb/s and can't get an ip
[10:48] <Nailor> That's a problem I'm familiar with
[10:48] <yuriy> (also i haven't gotten wpa working yet but i think i just need to find the right howto)
[10:50] <Nailor> For me, the wpa works. I've even struggled with the 'most powerful' type of wpa encryption, having certificates and keys, and it works just fine
[10:50] <Nailor> Somehow the NetworkManager (a Gnome wlan connection manager) didn't cope with that, but wpa_supplicant did
[10:50] <yuriy> Nailor: using what? knetworkmanager isn't showing any networks for me
[10:51] <yuriy> Nailor: a link to how to use wpa_supplicant if you don't mind?
[10:51] <Nailor> Oh yeah, the NetworkManager daemon has a kubuntu frontend too
[10:51] <Nailor> Just a sec
[10:52] <Nailor> There's a conf file I've used once: http://mursu.dyndns.biz/~nailor/ukuwlan.conf
[10:53] <Nailor> I had to turn off (disable networking) from NetworkManager and use plain wpa_supplicant / iwconfig
[10:54] <Nailor> wpa_supplicant -c/path/to/ukuwlan.conf -Dwext -B did the trick
[10:54] <Nailor> Oh, the file shows all the passwords and other too.. Well, those were valid for one confrence only =)
[10:55] <yuriy> Nailor: it stores the password unencrypted? o_O
[10:56] <Nailor> Well, if you want
[10:57] <Nailor> See man wpa_passphrase for encrypting the passphrases
[10:57] <yuriy> thanks
[10:57] <Nailor> Haven't used it since I don't have WPA in active use at home
[10:57] <Nailor> My 166MHz IBM laptop can handle only WEP :P
[11:03] <Nailor> well. I'll head for the bead, been a rough week and I've "shceduled" a server fixing for tomorrow (my home network file sharing / backup server)
[11:03] <Nailor> s/bead/bed
[11:04] <Nailor> Have fun with the V6J and contribute as much as you can about edgy to the wiki =)
[11:05] <yuriy> k night


[00:50] <xcalibur> hi, can anyone help me on the following issue? For all applications im missing the top menu (file.... settings.... etc....)
[00:51] <DroBuddy> I'm running Kubuntu 12.04 Precise and am having a problem with Quassel being able to access IRC. It states that I have an open proxy listening on port :8080 (which is a SSH tunnel to a local VM and it doesn't have access from any other machine on the LAN). The router is an old WRT45G, with no port forwarding or port triggering, so I'm stumped on why irc.freenode.net wont allow me access.
[00:52] <DroBuddy> Currently, I'm connected to an EC2 instance and running irssi just to get on IRC. :(
[00:52] <DroBuddy> #quassel redirected me to #freenode, but they didn't have any insight. So, I figure this is the next most logical channel to ask.
[00:53] <DroBuddy> Oh, and the ssh tunnel isn't even up at the moment, as I have the vm in a down state. For what it's worth... So, nothing is actually using :8080 right now
[00:54] <DroBuddy> The exact message is "You are banned from this server- Your host is an open proxy (HTTP CONNECT (8080))"
[00:55] <xcalibur> Can anyone tell me how i get my menus back of every application? (the top menu containing "file", "et cetra")
[00:55] <draikx> Have you verified that it isn't in fact listening?
[00:55] <draikx> telnet localhost 8080
[00:55] <MangaKaDenza> xcalibur, wait. ... like windows menu
[00:55] <MangaKaDenza> or global menu thing
[00:55] <MangaKaDenza> aka macstyle menubar
[00:55] <DroBuddy> xcalibur: It should be System Settings -> Application Appearance. You can change it in there.
[00:55] <xcalibur> the global menu thing
[00:56] <MangaKaDenza> oh...
[00:56] <xcalibur> both
[00:56] <MangaKaDenza> that isn't in KDE
[00:56] <MangaKaDenza> i think
[00:56] <MangaKaDenza> the global one
[00:56] <FloodBotK1> MangaKaDenza: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:56] <xcalibur> the one, where you can close you r application with\
[00:56] <MangaKaDenza> ooooohhhh
[00:56] <MangaKaDenza> that one
[00:56] <xcalibur> or change preferences, etc
[00:56] <xcalibur> alt tab is also not working anymore
[00:56] <DroBuddy> draikx: I'll attempt to connect to it now just to be certain.
[00:56] <xcalibur> i believe its called unity in gnome
[00:58] <xcalibur> im running kubuntu 13.04 by the way
[00:58] <draikx> DroBuddy, it could be a long shot, but just something I'd check first to make sure that I don't have it listening still, though it should have been killed off.
[00:58] <DroBuddy> xcalibur: You should be able to reset it by going to System Settings -> Application Appearances. The options to change the settings are in there.
[00:59] <xcalibur> if i open a new window, it opens over the old one, and i cant focus back the first (as i have this problem right now)
[01:00] <DroBuddy> draikx: Yeah, I even did a reboot to be sure. I'm attempting to use nbtscan against the local IP and it's saying nothing is listening... Which that doesnt seem to be true. Networking is not my strongest point, but I have two active ssh connections open which should be shown... Or, so I'd imagine at least lol
[01:00] <DroBuddy> xcalibur Alt+f2 and type terminal. In the terminal run sudo systemsettings
[01:00] <draikx> DroBuddy, netstat -plant | grep LISTEN
[01:02] <DroBuddy> draikx: http://pastebin.com/bh07GNy9
[01:02] <DroBuddy> Nothing for port 8080...
[01:03] <DroBuddy> I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary either... Chrome is the biggest culprit for listening, but they are all expected services.
[01:04] <draikx> DroBuddy, weird. Maybe try to reconnect again, and see if it lets you in? I'd also suggest hitting port 8080 yourself; telnet localhost 8080. If you get a response, which you shouldn't, then you might be able to isolate the issue.
[01:05] <DroBuddy> As expected, telnet localhost 8080 connection refused. I'll retry with Quassel now.
[01:05] <DroBuddy> Hrm, I just realized that BTSync normally uses :8080, and it's not running. I wonder if that may be the underlying issue some how.
[01:06] <xcalibur_> back again, sorry
[01:07] <DroBuddy> I'm going to dig through ps -A real quick and | grepping for BT didnt show anything. Maybe it's got some other ps running behind the scenes. Oh, and I'll check netscan -plant | ESTABLISHED to be safe.
[01:08] <xcalibur_> got disconnected, so here is my question once more,, For all my programs i lost the top menu (containing stuff like the file menu, edit, et cetra)
[01:09] <draikx> DroBuddy, best of luck. I hope you get it resolved.
[01:09] <DroBuddy> Yeah, nestat -plant | grep ESTABLISHED just shows the expected services. I'm going to kill -9 teamviewer and see if that may be binding to it somehow... Or, so I hope. lol
[01:10] <DroBuddy> draikx: And, thank you btw.
[01:11] <DroBuddy> Damn, well that was to no avail. I'm going to reboot again and not open any connections and attempt to connect to IRC. For the life of me, I can't think of what else may be the cause. Damn.
[01:11] <DroBuddy> Thanks agian.
[01:13] <draikx> Even longer shot... iptables -nvL
[01:13] <draikx> No port forwarding locally?
[01:13] <draikx> Maybe on your router?
[01:19] <draikx> If your router is set to port forward, even if you're not listening for it, could return a "listening".
[01:20] <draikx> Maybe telnet to your IP (not 192....)
[01:23] <DroBuddy> Well, nothing seems to be using :8080 at all. Even after a fresh reboot sudo netstat -plant shows nothing bound to it.
[01:23] <DroBuddy> I'm quite perplexed, to say the least.
[01:24] <DroBuddy> I guess when I want to use IRC, I'll just ssh to my EC2 instance for now on... And sob softly while I'm at it. lol
[01:24] <draikx> That's a work-around, not a solution.
[01:25] <DroBuddy> Yup, unfortunately. And, as a sysadmin, I hardly like it. ;)
[01:26] <DroBuddy> Oddly enough, my Ubuntu 12.04 at work doesn't have this issue. Too bad I'm not legally allowed to connec this PC to their network and test to see if that resolves my issue...
[01:26] <DroBuddy> I think it has to be something higher up the stack; maybe something with the upstream provider...  :D
[01:28] <DroBuddy> I even went so far as to edit my iptables and block :8080 on this host and that didn't do it, so it can't be local to this Kubuntu installation. Maybe I'll try my Raspberry Pi and see if that works... Worth a shot, I guess.
[01:28] <draikx> I don't think it has to do with your local machine.
[01:28] <draikx> Something is reporting 8080 as open.
[01:28] <DroBuddy> But, I'll save that for another day... I just needed to be able to join #cakephp, so I'm going there now. Thanks for the help draikx.
[01:28] <draikx> I'd start looking at the router and work from there.
[01:29] <DroBuddy> Yeah, I have a very ****ty Wireless ISP and they have all kinds of holes... They probably have squid running and that's most likely the cause, or that's what I'm guessing.
[01:29] <draikx> Ah.
[01:29] <DroBuddy> hell, they use an at home router to manage their wireless... So, yeah, talk about shit-tastic.
[01:29] <draikx> DroBuddy, sorry I couldn't help you resolve it, though.
[01:30] <DroBuddy> One day, they actually plugged the WAN connection into a LAN port and gave me full access to the router on accident. I couldn't help but probe it then... Too bad I didn't save the logs. ;)
[01:31] <DroBuddy> PS... That's a secret, lmao. I had to call them and tell them to check their cables and that's how it got resolved.
[01:31] <DroBuddy> The beauty of living in the middle of nowhere. :(
[01:31] <DroBuddy> Alright, I'm off. Thanks again for the time and insight. As always, it's truly appreciated.
[01:31] <xcalibur_> hi guys, I'm using Kubuntu 13.04 and followed this post: http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=174854. Now i'm stuck with a Kubuntu which is not working anymore. My top menu is gone (the one, where you select file..... exit for example)
[01:31] <xcalibur_> can anyone help me solving this problem?
[01:32] <DroBuddy> xcalibur: Did you start with KDE/Kwin or were you trying to install it on top of Ubuntu
[01:32] <DroBuddy> ?
[01:32] <DroBuddy> Or, is this after doing a dist-upgrade?
[01:32] <xcalibur_> i install kubuntu-desktop
[01:32] <Addle> DroBuddy: If you PM me your external IP (say from http://www.whatsmyip.org/) I can see if I can telnet to port 8080 on it.
[01:32] <xcalibur_> which worked
[01:32] <xcalibur_> until i follewed the blog post on xbmc
[01:33] <xcalibur_> als alt-tab is not functioning anymore
[01:33] <xcalibur_> als = also
[01:34] <DroBuddy> xcalibur: I'd backup your files and just do a fresh install honestly. Just make sure to back up your hidden directories that may have .ssh files, etc.
[01:34] <xcalibur_> haha, thats a good one :)
[01:34] <xcalibur_> i already expected something like that ;)
[01:34] <Addle> xcalibur_: Doubt that's the issue, but try and hit Ctrl+M to make sure that's not it.
[01:35] <xcalibur_> is it possible the kernel upgrade has something to do with it?
[01:35] <draikx> Addle, I was going to suggest that, but probably best if DroBuddy just telnet to port 8080 using their IP instead of localhost (previously suggested)
[01:35] <DroBuddy> It sounds like something went wrong, and when I tried to migrate from Xubuntu to Kubuntu and install Kwin, it was a nightmare of a mess. It was much easier to just reinstall from scratch... Just my tw cents.
[01:35] <DroBuddy> two*
[01:36] <Addle> xcalibur_: Otherwise, maybe just zapping your ~/.kde directory will work. I'd move it and see if that works again. e.g. mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.bak
[01:36] <Addle> xcalibur_: Then restart KDE.
[01:36] <xcalibur_> Addle, if i hit ctrl + M it says i need to provide a nickname (as I have the login screen for freenode opened)
[01:36] <xcalibur_> ok, ill try that
[01:37] <Addle> xcalibur_: Oh, probably want to do that without any dialog boxes open.
[01:37] <Addle> xcalibur_: You want the keystroke going to the main window.
[01:37] <xcalibur_> the problem is, i cant do anything with opened screens
[01:37] <xcalibur_> i can open one...
[01:38] <xcalibur_> and then that screen is the only one whcih is focused
[01:38] <DroBuddy> lol, telnet to the external IP and port 8080 does respond... Go figure.
[01:38] <draikx> xcalibur_, I ditto DroBuddy on that. You can backup your packages (dpkg --get-selections > MyPackages), do a re-install with Kubuntu, and then install all of those packages again (sudo apt-get dselect update && sudo dpkg --set-selections < MyPackages). But you'd have to keep in mind that you're going to install files that pertain to things you may not want. Just remove them from the list after export, or before import.
[01:39] <draikx> DroBuddy, figured. You probably have a router saying that it's open, and forwarding to your machine.
[01:39] <xcalibur_> ok, thanks guys
[01:39] <xcalibur_> ill try that tommorow!
[01:40] <Addle> xcalibur_: I'd do the move .kde files thing first, but if that doesn't work, yeah... maybe that reinstall option. :)
[01:40] <Addle> xcalibur_: Good luck!
[01:40] <xcalibur_> just did move the .kde files, unfortunatly no luck there !
[01:40] <xcalibur_> thx
[01:40] <DroBuddy> K, g'luck bud
[01:42] <DroBuddy> Too bad it's illegal to pen test a router without prior-written approval. I know my router isn't listening on 8080, so it has to be my craptastic WISP (they have one static IP and all clients are NAT'd behind it).
[01:42] <DroBuddy> Even better, they only have one backbone provider for the 10+ communities they service, and at least 7 wireless towers.
[01:42] <DroBuddy> On a complete aside, don't move to central IL. lol
[01:43] <Addle> lol That does sound like a terrible ISP.
[01:43] <DroBuddy> Argh, it's days like today when I wish I could still 'burn one down'... Not the towers, that is. ;)
[01:43] <DroBuddy> Alright, I'm going to get back to work. Have fun!
[01:43] <Addle> Later! :)
[01:44] <draikx> See you around, DroBuddy.
[01:44] <draikx> (and gone)
[01:44] <draikx> Addle, after all of my testing and configuration, it seems that I now have a solid laptop. Thanks again for your help earlier today.
[01:44] <draikx> apachelogger, thanks to you, too.
[01:45] <Addle> You're welcome! :)  Glad it's working nicely.
[01:45] <draikx> Only issue I have now is the lacking control over the backlight.
[01:45] <draikx> I can't control it manually.
[01:45] <draikx> By default, it wouldn't dim
[01:45] <draikx> I added "acpi_backlight=vendor" to the GRUB line in /etc/default/grub
[01:46] <Addle> draikx: Yeah, I had the same issue with my friend's laptop. Screensaver and such wouldn't work until I added that line, and then it did, but no backlight.
[01:46] <draikx> Now, it auto-dims when the energy saver settings kick in at different idle times.
[01:46] <draikx> I can live with it this way
[01:47] <draikx> AC = 100% -- battery = 30%
[01:47] <Addle> Yep, it's a very small thing, really. And it'll probably end up working at some point in the future.
[01:47] <Addle> His laptop is a fairly new Toshiba Satellite.
[01:48] <draikx> I've never had luck with Dell or Toshiba systems.
[01:49] <draikx> I bought a Lenovo laptop some months ago.
[01:49] <draikx> Windows 7 laptop, things worked well.
[01:49] <draikx> I put Kubuntu 13.04, and the battery life was down to 45 minutes, tops.
[01:50] <Addle> Wow...
[01:50] <draikx> Yeah
[01:50] <draikx> Plugged it in, and could use it that way.
[01:51] <draikx> 100% 99% 98% 97% 96% 95% 94% 13% 12%.... instant drain after 94%.
[01:51] <SonikkuAmerica> draikx: Sounds like me with Cinnamon.
[01:52] <draikx> I tried all I could to make that battery last.
[01:52] <draikx> I put Windows 7 back on it, and now it just functions as my astrophotography and photography capture/edit laptop.
[01:57] <Addle> draikx: powertop might be useful to find what's draining the battery so darn fast.
[01:57] <Addle> draikx: Fellow amateur astronomer, huh? :)
[01:58] <draikx> Addle, thank you for that info. I'll check it out now. This new laptop is showing great signs of battery usage, but when that day comes, I'll be ready for it.
[01:58] <draikx> Addle, it would seem that way. I've got quite some cloudy skies and a lot of light pollution around here, but I go where I can and do what I can.
[01:59] <Addle> draikx: Yep, I understand the cloud and light pollution thing, that's for sure.
[02:00] <draikx> It's that time of the year, too. --> http://i.imgur.com/DLyz86I.png
[02:02] <Addle> lol
[02:11] <donavan01> hey what is the text editor for KDE called I just installed Kubuntu and im used to gnome
[02:12] <draikx> KATE?
[02:12] <draikx> KDE Advanced Text Editor?
[02:13] <draikx> That's for GUI.
[02:13] <littlegirl> donavan01: It's Kate, and it's in the Utilities section of the menu (instead of the office section).
[02:13] <Addle> It is indeed kate.
[02:14] <donavan01> thanks  ... I just needed to add a rep  to my source.list and had know idea what program I was looking for to edit with
[02:14] <draikx> I prefer vim :)
[02:14] <Addle> I prefer ed. ;)
[02:14] <donavan01> vim confuses the crap out of me
[02:14] <draikx> To each their own, of course.
[02:15] <draikx> donavan01, I kept messing up with "i" every time, but I got used to it and now I'm much more efficient with my work.
[02:15] <Addle> (ed being a very old line editor, for those who weren't around in the stone age with me ;) )
[02:15] <draikx> Anyways, glad we can help you find what you need.
[02:15] <draikx> Don't forget to sudo kate
[02:15] <donavan01> yeah I have to say though this is my first build using KDE instead of gnome or that unity crap and I am loving it ... last time I used KDE was back in like 2000 or something it has come a long way
[02:16] <Addle> It has! Obviously I love KDE or I wouldn't be here. :)
[02:16] <draikx> I've been on KDE since 2006, at the start of LTS.
[02:16] <draikx> Been on Kubuntu since June 1, 2006.
[02:17] <donavan01> last time I used KDE was back when red hat 5 or so came out
[02:17] <draikx> I mean been on it in terms of "official Linux distro that replaced my Windows choice"
[02:17] <Addle> I took a break in the early 4.x days, but it's been awesome for quite a while, now.
[02:17] <draikx> First thing I learned the hard way was the joy of partitioning /home away from /
[02:18] <Addle> draikx: Wish I could do that on this laptop. But it has a whopping 80GB hard drive.
[02:18] <donavan01> I have pretty much swore of microsoft machines and im loving the kubuntu build it took a while to break away but I am extremely happy with this version of Kubuntu
[02:19] <Addle> donavan01: It's a good time for it, what with Steam and all.
[02:19] <donavan01> plus windows 8 sucking so bad
[02:19] <Addle> donavan01: Although getting X3: Albion Prelude didn't help my productivity at all. lol
[02:20] <donavan01> I find any thing on a computer tends to kill my productivity unless im trying to waste time ... then im normally on it 100%
[02:21] <SonikkuAmerica> !ot | Addle, draikx, donavan01
[02:22] <Addle> Apologies, SonikkuAmerica, you're quite right.
[02:22] <SonikkuAmerica> :) We like to keep this channel open for support requests.
[02:22] <donavan01> BTW what is the current LTS version called
[02:23] <Addle> donavan01: Still 12.04, so precise pangolin.
[02:23] <donavan01> ok good thanks
[02:27] <donavan01> how can I find out what chipset my usb wifi takes ... its rosewill but I cant find much on the website about it
[02:29] <Addle> donavan01: Might get some info from lsusb -v or lshw.
[02:29] <Addle> donavan01: Or at worse, in dmesg.
[02:30] <Addle> donavan01: Probably will need to sudo those commands in my first response.
[02:31] <donavan01> yeah I figured as much ... pitty su doesnt really work any more without screwin stuff up ... I know its for security but typeing sudo over and over again and entering the password gets old after a while
[02:32] <donavan01> sudo lsudb -v
[02:32] <donavan01> whoops wrong window
[02:33] <Addle> donavan01: Though not recommended, you can sudo -s
[02:33] <donavan01> ok and that does what exactly ?
[02:33] <Addle> donavan01: Goes without saying, careful what you type there. :)
[02:34] <moondog> donavan01: you can also edit the sudoers file to not require a password when you sudo
[02:34] <Addle> donavan01: man sudo and search for -s.
[02:34] <donavan01> my linux skills and understanding of the back end of things is novice at best
[02:34] <Addle> donavan01: Indeed, just remember to *always* use visudo.
[02:35] <Addle> donavan01: That'll make sure you didn't mess it up. Because one mistake and you can lock yourself out.
[02:35] <Addle> donavan01: Well, I should say you can still mess it up, but at least it'll do some basic sanity checks. :)
[02:37] <Addle> donavan01: And I'm compelled to add that not requiring a password for sudo isn't generally recommended. hehe
[02:37] <Addle> donavan01: sudo -s is far preferable.
[02:38] <donavan01> ok read the man ... is it saying that if I run sudo -s that it will bascially make the shell act like I did su without actually doing su
[02:39] <Addle> donavan01: Yeah, pretty much.
[02:39] <donavan01> ahh well thats good enough
[02:40] <donavan01> but its not actually dropping me to root right I will still be logged in as a user level account rather than root but I will just be able to pass commands without the sudo at the front all the time
[02:40] <donavan01> or am i missunderstanding what it does
[02:41] <Addle> donavan01: No, if you do sudo -s and run whoami, it will tell you you're 'root'.
[02:41] <Addle> donavan01: You'll get the # prompt and all.
[02:42] <donavan01> ok I have run into issues in the past when doing things that when I did them in root I would not have  access to them in my user account for instance installing a program
[02:43] <donavan01> will I still have that issue
[02:43] <Addle> donavan01: Yes, possibly. Though apt-get install and such will work.
[02:43] <Addle> donavan01: And I really don't recommend running GUI programs that way.
[02:43] <Addle> donavan01: You'd want to use kdesudo to run GUI programs.
[02:44] <Addle> donavan01: With great root comes great responsibility. ;)
[02:45] <donavan01> so kdesudo does what tells the system to use the credentials from the KDE session to run stuff but with the authority of the root
[02:45] <donavan01> heheh
[02:45] <donavan01> thanks for answering all these questions I have probably learned more in the past few minutes than I would have gotten from hours of reading
[02:46] <Addle> donavan01: Sort of the opposite. It will keep your home dir from getting root owned config files created, and so on.
[02:47] <Addle> donavan01: sudo -s will still end up with your HOME variable being /home/yourusername
[02:48] <Addle> donavan01: kdesudo will make your home /root, so that doesn't happen. Otherwise, if some GUI app writes config or whatnot to the home directory, things may blow up later running as your regular user account.
[02:48] <Addle> donavan01: And you're quite welcome :)
[02:49] <donavan01> ok so if im trying to do something that would be system wide I would use kdesudo but if im just working in my user account the stick with sudo
[02:49] <donavan01> correct
[02:50] <donavan01> I know it over simplifies it
[02:50] <Addle> donavan01: Well, mostly GUI apps need kdesudo. Anything that might write to your home might benefit.
[02:51] <donavan01> ok I think I got it
[02:52] <Addle> donavan01: I guess I'll mention that there's also sudo -i which will simulate an initial login (see man page).
[02:52] <Addle> donavan01: So that'll set your HOME to /root, for example.
[02:53] <Addle> donavan01: But for GUI apps, you'd want the graphical prompt for the password, anyways.
[02:54] <Addle> donavan01: You could say that sudo -s is like a straight 'su' was, and sudo -i is like 'su -'.
[02:55] <donavan01> cool thanks
[02:56] <Addle> donavan01: np :)
[05:31] <brli> the globalmenu patch is acting a bit werid on my side that it is not that smooth and sensitive to mouse click and hover
[06:34] <sordidbass> good morning
[06:34] <sordidbass> night?
[06:35] <genii> Could be either, depending on where in the world people are connecting from ;) Early morning here ( 1:35AM )
[06:36] <Addle> Yep, 1:35am here for the second time (daylight savings sucks).
[06:37] <genii> Addle: Heh, same.
[06:37] <draikx> Still waiting on mine.
[06:37] <draikx> I'd want to say that I'm going to take advantage of the "gained" hour, but I'd be lying.
[08:49] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:59] <atje> hi, i have a problem regarding unmet dependencies
[12:00] <atje> can anyone help me? I'm running kubuntu 13.10 and want to reinstall kubuntu desktop (as all my application menu's are gone)
[12:00] <atje> the issue i'm running into is described here (by someone else) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2167741&p=12757151#post12757151
[12:21] <BluesKaj> atje. choose the last lib in the list to install first, since the others depend on it , libkwinglesutils1
[12:23] <atje> blueskaj, thanks, but i'm going to reinstall kubuntu
[12:23] <atje> it  seems i broke something big time, as i cant install anything anymoe
[12:24] <BluesKaj> atje. well, that's your call
[12:24] <atje> yes it is ;)
[12:24] <atje> thanks anyway
[12:24] <BluesKaj> atje. did you try reinstalling kubuntu-desktop
[12:26] <atje> that is exactly where my journy started ;)
[12:26] <atje> after that i got a dependency issue regarding ubuntu-screen-manager (or something like that)
[12:27] <BluesKaj> atje. ok
[12:52] <FlyingFoX> is there a place to configure which programs get autostrated, when kde starts? There are some that I don't want to autostart any more.
[12:54] <lordievader> FlyingFoX: System Settings -> Startup and Shutdown -> Autostart.
[12:55] <FlyingFoX> ty, thats it
[12:57] <BluesKaj> FlyingFoX. as lordievader advises ,  then the session management tab , list the apps you don't want to start in "applications to be excluded from sessions, if they're not listed in the service manager
[12:58] <FlyingFoX> I found the one I wanted to stop starting automatically. Is there a way to put some of those autostart programs to different desktops?
[12:59] <FlyingFoX> I like to have all my communication stuff in one virtual desktop, but currently they all get put into the first virtual desktop.
[13:03] <lordievader> FlyingFoX: You could make a script that does some qdbus commands before launching the application.
[13:12] <FlyingFoX> lordievader: Do you have some hints where I can look up documentation to all those qdbus methods? I am currently trying qdbus directly, but wihtout a search function I am probably really lost there.
[13:13] <lordievader> FlyingFoX: Never seen any documentation, for me it is trial and error with qdbus. Let me see if I can find it.
[13:13] <FlyingFoX> hm ok, gonna go by trial and error as well then
[13:15] <FlyingFoX> is there a way in qdbus to get a brief description of what a given method actually does?
[13:15] <lordievader> FlyingFoX: Not for as far as I know ;)
[13:15] <FlyingFoX> :(
[13:18] <lordievader> FlyingFoX: Hmm with "qdbus org.kde.plasma-desktop /MainApplication local.PlasmaApp.toggleActivityManager" you get the manager, but now switching...
[13:22] <FlyingFoX> lordievader: I don't want to move stuff  between activities, but only between virtual desktops.
[13:23] <FlyingFoX> there is qdbus org.kde.plasma-desktop /MainApplication local.PlasmaApp.perVirtualDesktopViews, but I don't know what it actually does. it just returns falso for me.
[13:23] <lordievader> FlyingFoX: Ah, well that makes things easier. I found out how to switch between activities (well almost).
[13:25] <lordievader> FlyingFoX: qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin org.kde.KWin.setCurrentDesktop 1 <-- the 1 is the number of the desktop.
[13:33] <FlyingFoX> lordievader: so I could set the current desktop before some programs and set it back again before the rest starts. I hoped there was a way to move an already existing program to another destop through the console.
[13:33] <FlyingFoX> but thx for your help :)
[13:33] <lordievader> FlyingFoX: Well it is one way. I guess it is possible to simple move applications, but I wouldn't know how.
[13:38] <PasNox> Hi, is kron still packaged in kubuntu ?
[13:38] <PasNox> i can see the official page: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdeadmin/kcron/
[13:38] <PasNox> but can't found / isntall it ?
[13:40] <PasNox> ho it's kcron, and not kron xD
[13:40] <PasNox> found!
[13:54] <FlyingFoX> lordievader: If you are interested I found a way to switch windows to certain dekstops. It can be done with `wmctrl -r <part of window title> -t <desktop id>'.
[13:55] <lordievader> FlyingFoX: Hmm wmctrl is not installed by default, but thanks :)
[13:55] <lordievader> FlyingFoX: That is a nicer solution.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> why not just use the pager plasmoid
[13:57] <BluesKaj> to switch that is
[13:58] <FlyingFoX> BluesKaj: not sure how I would do it with that, but I want to automatically organize some of my autostart windows into different desktops.
[14:11] <BluesKaj> FlyingFoX. check system settings workspace behaviour, different widgets for each desktop ...not sure whether this is what you need but it it's worth a try
[14:14] <tsimpson> you can use kwin window rules to do that usually
[14:14] <tsimpson> http://userbase.kde.org/KWin_Rules_Examples/en#Pin_a_Window_to_a_Desktop_and_set_other_Attributes
[14:25] <FlyingFoX> tsimpson: those window rules look really cool
[14:27] <FlyingFoX> They are even better than my startup script :D. Now my windows always appear on the correct desktop even when I restart them later
[14:27] <BluesKaj> too bad they can't make it bit simpler
[14:38] <tsimpson> X11 is stupidly complex, so...
[14:39] <FlyingFoX> I just set virtual desktop to 'remember' for every normal window. that seems like a really nice way to organize the windows without having to do very much
[14:39] <FlyingFoX> just move my windows once where I want them and it will get remembered
[14:40] <tsimpson> I suppose you could also use activities, as opposed to virtual desktops
[14:46] <FlyingFoX> tsimpson: my problem with activities is that once I use them all the other windows of other activities are kind of gone until you switch again. That is a bit annoying as I switch rather often between stuff that may fit into activities
[14:51] <tsimpson> FlyingFoX: how's that different from virtual desktops?
[14:53] <FlyingFoX> tsimpson: to switch to my irc window it takes me 2 clicks at most, maybe only 1. can I do that with activities, when I am in another activity than my irc window?
[14:54] <FlyingFoX> tsimpson: I haven't actually used activies yet. I had a look at them, but I kind of didn't get the value of them or how to make them work in a way that improves what I currently have.
[14:54] <tsimpson> well it's one click to bring up the activity manager, another to switch, and then it depends if the window is raised and on top or not...
[14:55] <tsimpson> but you can assign keyboard shortcuts to get to activities too
[14:55] <tsimpson> the nice thing about activities is that you can suspend and resume them, so infrequently used activities don't take up resources when you suspend them
[14:59] <PasNox> Hi, i'm trying to start a cron for my database once machine is power on.
[14:59] <PasNox> problem is cron is started before mysql service.
[14:59] <PasNox> what i can do for that please?
[15:01] <tsimpson> PasNox: check if mysql is running first and sleep for a while otherwise?
[15:01] <FlyingFoX> PasNox: do you only want to call your cron once after startup or periodically (like once every 10 minutes or so)?
[15:02] <PasNox> FlyingFoX: only once. after startup
[15:02] <PasNox> maybe i hsould put the script inside the kde session startup thing instead
[15:02] <PasNox> tsimpson: hm i dislike this kind of hack :/
[15:03] <FlyingFoX> PasNox: then a cron is probably the wrong thing to use. Maybe look into creating an init script
[15:03] <FlyingFoX> I think you can specify in them to execute only after another service (mysql in your case) has been started.
[15:03] <PasNox> FlyingFoX: i will just call the script into the kde session startup tasks
[15:04] <PasNox> after all it's just what i want ;)
[15:04] <PasNox> thnks for your support guyz!
[15:08] <miseu> when trying to "do-release-upgrade", i'm getting: An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade. This can be caused by:* Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu* Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu* Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[15:11] <miseu> i think i'm running a pre-release version, what should i do?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> miseu. make sure you update/upgrade , before running release-upgrade , also disable any ppas you may have in muon and the sources.list
[15:13] <BluesKaj> if it's a pre release vers ion then dist-upgrade should take care of bringing your OS up to date
[15:13] <BluesKaj> miseu.^
[15:15] <nafac> Anyone got working AppArmor profile for Kubuntu 12.04 rekonq?
[15:16] <lordievader> markus__: What does "cat /etc/issue" return?
[15:19] <markus__> lordievader: what?
[15:21] <lordievader> markus__: Ah sorry that was for miseu, I see now he just left before I typed my message. Sorry.
[16:08] <gassho> meow
[16:14] <BluesKaj> gassho., have kubuntu question?
[16:19] <gassho> nah it looks pritty plug n play from here :D
[16:25] <gassho> whoo burnin kubuntu 13.10 now 8D
[17:23] <gassho> how do i install the game pack bragged about in the setup stuff
[17:23] <gassho> for 13.10 kubuntu
[17:24] <gassho> got muon discover open :I
[17:24] <BluesKaj> type games in the search
[17:28] <gassho> no results :S
[17:29] <gassho> ;-; now it looks like muon discorer crashed
[17:30] <BluesKaj> gassho. open muon itself , discover is still buggy for some installs
[17:30] <BluesKaj> slow and clunky here
[17:31] <BluesKaj> Ab3L. is this drive a usb
[17:32] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:32] <Ab3L> yes
[17:32] <BluesKaj> yeah, does lsusb show it ?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> or mount ?
[17:33] <gassho> q
[17:39] <Ab3L> BluesKaj: yes. it is a usb harddrive. it doesn't mount automatically at start up anymore, since i've activated the backports
[17:39] <BluesKaj> Ab3L. did you see my suggestions above ?
[17:39] <gassho> i feel so professional o.O
[17:42] <Ab3L> BluesKaj: to test it i've to restart, but i'm quite sure that lsusb shows it, because it is listed in dolphin. the harddrive is mounted as soon as i try to access from dolphin. i just would like that it would be mounted at start up.
[17:43] <bludonnaku> where are the official (or just good and up-to-date) instructions on how to migrate from EVOLUTION to THUNDERBIRD?
[17:43] <Ab3L> a different behavour of mounting usb devices, is that before they were mounted in /media/, and now in /media/<user>/
[17:44] <draikx> Ab3L, there is a workaround for that to go back to just /media/. Give me a sec to pull up that info.
[17:45] <Ab3L> draikx: that's not the problem
[17:45] <draikx> Ab3L, http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?63441-KDE-has-changed-where-it-mounts-my-USB-drives
[17:45] <Ab3L> draikx: the problem is that the usb drive is not automatically mounted when i plug it in
[17:45] <BluesKaj> Ab3L. run sudo blkid , then copy the string (without the quotes ) to fstab
[17:46] <Ab3L> but only when i try to browse in it
[17:46] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta go ..BBL
[17:46] <draikx> Ab3L, oh. What if you go through System Settings > Removable Devices? Can you not enable it there?
[17:47] <Guest378> Hi there! I'm new to Kubuntu and I would like to know if there's an option to enable the input of Unicode characters? e.g. CTRL + U + 2417 (unicode)
[17:47] <Guest378> input of unicode characters in konsole *
[17:48] <Ab3L> draikx: i did it, but it doesn't work
[17:49] <Ab3L> BluesKaj: yes, i think that to put it in fstab can solve my problem, but it should work directly from system setting, shouldn't it?
[17:49] <Ab3L> in the last version of kde, it worked...
[17:50] <Ab3L> should the new kde have lost some features?
[17:52] <kalakadsn> hello everyone, how to improve login time to kubuntu, i am getting login half minute later as compared to ubuntu, i have both environments installed
[17:53] <kalakadsn> i have also disabled startup items in both
[17:53] <kalakadsn> but no impact
[17:53] <Ab3L> BluesKaj: from "sudo blkid" i got this line: /dev/sdb1: LABEL="My_Book" UUID="12C23AD8C23AC031" TYPE="ntfs". How is it translated in fstab syntax?
[17:55] <lordievader> Ab3L: UUID=12C23AD8C23AC031 /media/My_Book ntfs defaults 0 0
[17:55] <lordievader> Ab3L: For example.
[17:56] <Ab3L> lordievader: /media/My_Book should exist first, or is it created automatically?
[17:56] <lordievader> Ab3L: Yes, that should be an exisiting folder. Mount doesn't create folders.
[17:59] <Ab3L> that pushes me back to the time of hardy... but at the moment it seems to be the only workaround
[18:00] <Ab3L> thank you everybody
[18:00] <Ab3L> and if someone have other suggestions, please let me know
[19:33] <gassho> where might i find the source to this delicious software?
[19:34] <Ab3L> gassho: which software?
[19:34] <gassho> that available from muon
[19:35] <Ab3L> gassho: have you tried to add the source repositories?
[19:35] <gassho> i don think so .-.
[19:36] <BluesKaj> you use muon to install the software available there, gassho
[19:36] <BluesKaj> or the the terminal with apt-get
[19:36] <MangaKaDenza> wow...
[19:36] <MangaKaDenza> I am seriously missing something
[19:37] <MangaKaDenza> I have been at this for like... a week now... and I still cant find the damn source code
[19:37] <MangaKaDenza> for kubuntu
[19:37] <MangaKaDenza> isn't there like a few tar packages I could download
[19:37] <MangaKaDenza> :<
[19:38] <BluesKaj> the src repos are in the sources.list and package manager , MangaKaDenza
[19:38] <MangaKaDenza> well something must be off...
[19:39] <MangaKaDenza> here... BluesKaj can I screenshot my sources list?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> MangaKaDenza. sure
[19:41] <MangaKaDenza> also... the KDE shell isn't working
[19:41] <MangaKaDenza> I fell asleep yesterday, and my laptop drained... and now it won't work
[19:42] <MangaKaDenza> BluesKaj, http://pastebin.com/WcT9aKb6
[19:43] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: What are you looking for exactly?
[19:43] <MangaKaDenza> first lol kubuntu dat nick
[19:43] <MangaKaDenza> and lordievader well... all the source code for the kubuntu OS
[19:44] <MangaKaDenza> so I can make some changes, add some programs, and rework some features
[19:44] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Euhh, Kubuntu is a distro... It is comprised of serveral smaller pieces, what are you looking for the kernel?
[19:44] <MangaKaDenza> cuz out of all the ubuntu distros I tried I liked kubuntu
[19:44] <MangaKaDenza> lordievader, well... the core for now
[19:45] <MangaKaDenza> like... kubuntu-base
[19:45] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: So the kernel?
[19:45] <MangaKaDenza> wait, isn't kernel = linux 3.* ?
[19:45] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Yes the kernel is the hart of the os, the core.
[19:46] <MangaKaDenza> I know... but I want the kernel... plus the kubuntu wrapper thing
[19:46] <MangaKaDenza> :<
[19:46] <BluesKaj> MangaKaDenza. , uname -a , will give your kernel version
[19:47] <draikx> MangaKaDenza, sounds like you want to do this --> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[19:48] <MangaKaDenza> hmm, yes
[19:48] <MangaKaDenza> this is similar to what I want
[19:48] <BluesKaj> kubuntu wrapper thing?
[19:48] <MangaKaDenza> hmm
[19:48] <MangaKaDenza> wait.... would I replace ubuntu with kubuntu in
[19:48] <MangaKaDenza>  ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso ~/livecdtmp
[19:48] <BluesKaj> ubuntu and kubuntu use the same kernel
[19:49] <MangaKaDenza> Yes I know
[19:49] <MangaKaDenza> wait... maybe I'm thinking KDE
[19:49] <BluesKaj> and core OS
[19:49] <MangaKaDenza> er...
[19:49] <MangaKaDenza> the DE
[19:49] <MangaKaDenza> I want kubuntu's DE to work off of
[19:49] <MangaKaDenza> :P
[19:49] <BluesKaj> then it's KDE
[19:49] <MangaKaDenza> AHHHHHHH
[19:49] <Addle> FYI, MangaKaDenza, you can install the sources for anything (assuming you have the source repos enabled) with 'sudo apt-get source packagename'
[19:49] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Follow the guide from Extract the CD contents and simply use your Kubuntu iso of choice.
[19:49] <MangaKaDenza> wait... how do I get that
[19:50] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Get what? The Kubuntu iso?
[19:50] <MangaKaDenza> lordievader, yes
[19:50] <MangaKaDenza> :>
[19:51] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[19:51] <BluesKaj> this is just too funny , running around in circles
[19:52] <MangaKaDenza> BluesKaj, sorry ^.^; I'm kinda lost in the process... and I keep breaking stuff in my system
[19:53] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: It's good to have a working system before you start dev'ing ;)
[19:53] <MangaKaDenza> I mean it works...
[19:54] <MangaKaDenza> but... every install I do... I enter one wrong command... and BAM
[19:54] <MangaKaDenza> my install gets destroyed by a self created maelstrom of insanity
[19:55] <BluesKaj> MangaKaDenza. please explain what you want to do , removing or installing packages/applications is the same as setting up your system for your needs
[19:55] <Walzmyn> How come I can change the icon for some items in quicklauncher but not others?
[19:56] <MangaKaDenza> BluesKaj, make a modified version of the Kubuntu variant of Ubuntu, with my with custom features and some programs I've written and other stuff
[19:56] <BluesKaj> not fooling with the kernel ...that won't work...too many dependencies that you can't predict the outcome if you mod the kerenel
[19:56] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Yes then you want to follow the guide draikx gave you.
[19:57] <MangaKaDenza> Nah, I ain't touching the kernel... until I get more programming skill
[19:57] <MangaKaDenza> just addons and DE level mods
[19:58] <draikx> MangaKaDenza, get the Kubuntu ISO, and follow the instructions provided at the URL, changing the Ubuntu for Kubuntu image name. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[19:58] <BluesKaj> just install kubuntu , then remove or install apps to your liking
[20:02] <BluesKaj> MangaKaDenza. one doesn't mod the desktop without using the package management system called dpkg which is the base for apt-get and aptitude
[20:27] <gassho> hooray, muon crashed
[20:28] <MangaKaDenza> :D
[20:29] <gassho> that means its time for SYNAPTIC 8D
[20:30] <Walzmyn> or apt
[20:30] <MangaKaDenza> or get
[20:31] <Addle> Yeah, Muon is nice and hopefully will stabilize soon, but I'm still using synpatic for everything. Always works.
[20:31] <MangaKaDenza> say
[20:31] <Addle> *synaptic
[20:32] <MangaKaDenza> my desktop shell keeps crashing when I boot into a kubuntu session
[20:32] <MangaKaDenza> how do I reset it
[20:33] <Addle> MangaKaDenza: Assuming you don't mind losing all your KDE settings, you can just 'mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.bak'
[20:33] <Addle> MangaKaDenza: Then if you're happy with that, delete the backup.
[20:33] <MangaKaDenza> hmm wait...
[20:33] <MangaKaDenza> how do I open a new visual session
[20:33] <MangaKaDenza> like...
[20:33] <MangaKaDenza> alt ctr f8
[20:33] <MangaKaDenza> from unity/ubuntu
[20:33] <FloodBotK1> MangaKaDenza: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:33] <BluesKaj> the terminal with is my install/remove vehicle, muon is just a info  reference for apps
[20:34] <BluesKaj> ignore the with :)
[20:34] <MangaKaDenza> BluesKaj, how do I open a new session from ubuntu?
[20:34] <Addle> MangaKaDenza: You mean a virtual terminal, like a tty? Ctrl+Alt+F[1..12]
[20:34] <MangaKaDenza> I know that
[20:35] <MangaKaDenza> hmm
[20:35] <MangaKaDenza> wait a sec
[20:36] <MangaKaDenza> so
[20:36] <MangaKaDenza> I do F8 and there's just a blinking cursor
[20:37] <MangaKaDenza> but I remember in Kubuntu there was a way to open a new session in that
[20:37] <BluesKaj> ctrl+alt+F7 to get the desktop if you're at the the TTY prompt
[20:37] <MangaKaDenza> I know that...
[20:37] <Addle> MangaKaDenza: Well, there's only 6 ttys and one used for X (Ctrl+Alt+F7), so that's normal.
[20:38] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: alt+f2 -> type switch -> hit "new session"
[20:38] <lordievader> Addle: Everything after 6 is for X, you can have more than one X session running ;)
[20:39] <Addle> lordievader: Good to know, thanks. Never tried. :)
[20:39] <MangaKaDenza> odd... it doesn't work
[20:39] <MangaKaDenza> wait a moment
[20:39] <MangaKaDenza> brb
[20:39] <BluesKaj> !enter | MangaKaDenza.
[21:03] <bjrohan> My audio is not working. I tried restarting and here is what I got
[21:03] <bjrohan> bjrohan@bjrohan-HPLaptop:~$ pulseaudio -D
[21:03] <bjrohan> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed.
[21:07] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. sudo service pulseaudio restart
[21:10] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: nada :-(
[21:10] <bjrohan> sudo service pulseaudio restart
[21:10] <bjrohan> stop: Unknown instance:
[21:10] <bjrohan> pulseaudio start/running, process 20093
[21:11] <bjrohan> After doing so, still no audio. No audio after a reboot either
[21:13] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. ok now check the audio output test in system settings>multimedia>audio and video settings>device preference
[21:14] <bjrohan> Nothing there. Oddly enough, before it had about 10 options (HDMI, 5.1 Surround) now it just has PulseAudio Sound Server listed in the Device Preference
[21:15] <bjrohan> By nothing there I mean test doesn't produc sound
[21:15] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. which soundcard ?
[21:16] <bjrohan> I have an hp with beats audio
[21:16] <BluesKaj> cat /proc/asound/modules
[21:16] <BluesKaj> to see if a driver is loaded
[21:16] <bjrohan>  snd_hda_intel
[21:17] <BluesKaj> is this a laptop
[21:17] <BluesKaj> ?
[21:17] <bjrohan> yes
[21:18] <BluesKaj> ok run this anyway , then reboot , sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[21:18] <bjrohan> running that returned nothing but a command prompt, now reboot?
[21:18] <BluesKaj> yes that means the driver is loaded
[21:19] <bjrohan> Iam playing an audio clip, in pulse audio control, the Alsa Plugin (audacity) the meter is moving
[21:19] <bjrohan> Just an FYI
[21:20] <bjrohan> rebooting now
[21:28] <soee> guys someone here using homerun ?
[21:29] <BluesKaj> i tried it , not my cup of tea, soee
[21:29] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: nothing changed
[21:30] <soee> ah ok, i just want someone to confirm that he has also this issue on latest Kubuntu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrAf3JOnQt8
[21:31] <soee> im not sure it this is homerun issue or some KDE effect
[21:31] <soee> brb
[21:32] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. ok lets purge pulse for now , we can reinstall it later ,  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y --reinstall install alsa-base alsa-utils; killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse
[21:36] <bjrohan> BluesKaj:
[21:36] <bjrohan> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:36] <bjrohan> Need to get 1,278 kB of archives.
[21:36] <bjrohan> There was more output regarding Alsa, replacement
[21:37] <BluesKaj> ok ,continues
[21:37] <BluesKaj> err continue
[21:37] <bjrohan> It is all done, it said setting up alsa-base and alsa-utils then prompt
[21:38] <BluesKaj> ok ,not sure if you need to reboot or not ...try some audio
[21:44] <lds> hi
[21:44] <lds> hi
[21:44] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: trying audio with speakers and headphones, no sound on either will reboot
[21:45] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: scratch that, audio out of headphones
[21:45] <bjrohan> no speakers
[21:46] <MangaKaDenza> so I'm reinstalling ubuntu/kubuntu/etc because I blew it up again...
[21:46] <MangaKaDenza> So I'm in the livecd/usb mode right now, installing... and in my boredom, I decided to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[21:46] <MangaKaDenza> but I realized I was in live mode... so what happens if you apt-get update/grade in live mode?
[21:47] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: still reboot, or try another setting to get speakers to work like headphones now are?
[21:47] <BluesKaj> try a reboot , bjrohan it will reset alsa without needing pulseaudio
[21:47] <bjrohan> ok
[21:48] <BluesKaj> think your PA was corrupt ed somehow
[21:48] <BluesKaj> oops
[21:49] <MangaKaDenza> oh wait... it turns out it didn't do anything
[21:49] <MangaKaDenza> but another question
[21:49] <MangaKaDenza> so in livemode, I deleted my previous install's partition, and then ran the installer for 13.04, but then when it finished, the grub went into recovrey mode
[21:50] <BluesKaj> have you chosen the :install kubuntu option on the desktop , MangaKaDenza ?
[21:50] <MangaKaDenza> er... I haven't made a kubuntu disk... a ubuntu one tho
[21:51] <MangaKaDenza> and they quieted me in #ubuntu
[21:51] <BluesKaj> don't fool with the terminal until you have the OS installed
[21:51] <MangaKaDenza> but yes, I did chose install kubuntu besides win7
[21:51] <BluesKaj> ok
[21:52] <MangaKaDenza> but the grub thing
[21:52] <MangaKaDenza> whats up with that
[21:53] <BluesKaj> grub will install in the mbr with the windows boot , grub is a bootloader
[21:53] <MangaKaDenza> I know
[21:56] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: seems to be the same after reboot, audio form headphones, not the speakers. I checked, and output in the colume control is for analog output, not headphones
[21:57] <bjrohan> with analog output (port) sound is coming out the headphones
[21:57] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. ok , check your audio&video settings in multimedia again
[21:58] <BluesKaj> and of course the volume settings inalsamixer, bjrohan
[21:59] <bjrohan> I have the alsa mixer gui that shows cvolume at full, what is the other place to check alsa?
[22:00] <BluesKaj> system settings>multimedia>audio&video settings , bjrohan
[22:01] <bjrohan> The multimedia audio&video has the Built-in Audio Analog stereo listed at the top, not sure what else to check in that panel
[22:01] <BluesKaj> the hadware device tab
[22:02] <BluesKaj> highlight the analog and run the test at the bottom
[22:02] <bjrohan> The Device Preference shows Built-in Audio Analog stereo at the top, the hardware set up tab has Built-in Audio for the sond card with analog-stereo Duplex as profile
[22:02] <bjrohan> backend is VLC (not gstreamer)
[22:02] <BluesKaj> ,if it works click apply
[22:02] <bjrohan> highlgihting and pressing test shows the test depressed for a bit but no sound
[22:03] <BluesKaj> unplug your 'phones , then try again
[22:04] <bjrohan> They have been unplugged through this
[22:04] <bjrohan> :-)
[22:04] <bjrohan> pugging them in, they have sound
[22:05] <BluesKaj> then I'm out of ideas , the intel driver loads , guess you might as well reinstall pulseaudio
[22:05] <BluesKaj> it could have been corrupted somehow
[22:06] <bjrohan> ok
[22:06] <BluesKaj> and pavucontrol
[22:09] <bjrohan> the pavucotrol was never uninstalled, should it have been?
[22:09] <bjrohan> well crap in the muon package manager, I went to select pulseaudio to reinstall, and it shows as installed
[22:09] <bjrohan> go there, uninstall and start this over?
[22:09] <guercorafael> Oi!
[22:10] <BluesKaj> not sure , but it's the final output stting for the audio chain , and if that wasn't setup correctly then I forgot a very important check
[22:12] <BluesKaj> pavucontrol is a gui for pulseaudio , so reinstalling both can't hurt
[22:12] <bjrohan> I have pulse device selector, vol ctrl, eq installed. I will remove all of those, reboot, and then reinstall
[22:13] <BluesKaj> yes that's worth a try
[22:13] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. sorry, it's dinnertime here , i have to go.
[22:15] <bjrohan> NP. I appreciate all you help. I need to go as well to cook dinner
[22:33] <Denza252> Every time I have to reinstall... a kitten dies
[22:40] <draikx> I'm not a cat person. Re-install to your heart's (dis)content.
[22:42] <Denza252> lol
[22:52] <valorie> Denza252: not IMO, since reinstall is so easy
[22:53] <Denza252> valorie: not when you have my luck :P
[22:53]  * valorie shares around the luck