[11:12] <CIA-13> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1446 ubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[11:12] <CIA-13> debian-installer: Switch to using grub-efi-amd64-bin to build EFI images. Deliver EFI
[11:12] <CIA-13> debian-installer: binaries to debian-cd via debian-cd_info.tar.gz on amd64.
[14:42] <CIA-13> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1447 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu31


[14:42] <coolbhavi> dpm, hey
[14:42] <coolbhavi> wendar, hey
[14:42] <dpm> hi coolbhavi, how are you doing?
[14:42] <wendar> hi coolbhavi
[14:43] <coolbhavi> dpm, fine how about you?
[14:44] <dpm> not too bad :)
[14:44] <coolbhavi> wendar, dpm did the TB send a mail on formal sign off on the new proposed app review process? (just asking incase I missed mails)
[14:46] <dpm> I haven't been following the TB's meetings, but there's been no reply to the e-mail from them, as far as I know
[14:46] <coolbhavi> ah thanks dpm :)
[14:47] <coolbhavi> meanwhile ll wait tomorrow and ping postman developer too on list let me see
[14:49] <wendar> coolbhavi: no comment from them, which we can take as implicit approval. But, I'll send a message making sure that implicit approval is explicit.
[14:49] <coolbhavi> thanks wendar
[14:51] <coolbhavi> wendar, dpm btw I thought arb and interested members should meet some time.. It has been a long time though
[14:51] <coolbhavi> thoughts?
[14:51] <wendar> coolbhavi: that sounds like a good idea
[14:51] <dpm> +1
[14:52] <wendar> coolbhavi: maybe suggest a time on the mailing list, and see if the other 2 members can make it?
[14:52] <wendar> coolbhavi: I'll attend too, if I can
[14:53] <coolbhavi> wendar, dpm meeting early in cycle makes us get a feel of existing problems to scale and the plan ahead in implementing work items from UDS
[14:53] <coolbhavi> I think
[14:54] <wendar> coolbhavi: yes, totally agreed, and good thought
[14:54] <coolbhavi> wendar, sure ll bring it up on list now. thanks!
[14:54] <dpm> coolbhavi, that sounds good, I'd also second wendar's suggestion to start proposing a time, and I can try to make it to the meeting too if I can be useful
[14:55] <cwayne> coolbhavi: hello
[14:56] <coolbhavi> dpm, you are the front face of app devel in ubuntu now :) so its always useful to have your thoughts :)
[14:56] <coolbhavi> hey cwayne how are you doing?
[14:56] <cwayne> coolbhavi: I'm not bad, how are you?
[14:56]  * dpm hugs coolbhavi
[14:57] <cwayne> coolbhavi: think you might be able to push the unity-lens-vm update at some point?  It seems the version in extras somehow wasn't working
[14:57] <coolbhavi> cwayne, m also doing good. I'll have a look now :) link pls
[14:57]  * coolbhavi hugs dpm back :)
[14:58] <cwayne> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/807/feedback/
[14:58] <cwayne> branch here: lp:~cwayne18/ubuntu-app-reviews/vm-lens
[15:00] <coolbhavi> cwayne, sure ll have a look now and ping back. What was the bug about btw?
[15:02] <cwayne> coolbhavi: there was a problem in bin/unity-lens-vm where it was trying to call UnityLensVmLens instead of VmLens
[15:02] <cwayne> so basically, it didn't work at all :(
[15:03] <coolbhavi> cwayne, no issues ll test again and update
[15:06] <cwayne> coolbhavi: thanks :)
[15:09] <coolbhavi> dpm, wendar sent a mail to the list now
[15:09] <coolbhavi> cwayne, :)
[15:09] <dpm> saw that, thanks coolbhavi to get the ball rolling :)
[15:10] <coolbhavi> dpm, no mention :)
[15:15] <coolbhavi> cwayne, saw the code change :) will test now
[15:15] <cwayne> coolbhavi: thanks :)
[16:37] <coolbhavi> cwayne, done
[16:37] <coolbhavi> cwayne, uploaded the update to quantal extras
[16:37] <cwayne> coolbhavi: thank you!
[16:38] <coolbhavi> tested out n works fine in detecting my 2 VM's\
[16:38] <cwayne> perfect!  i still wonder how that bug got in :/  but no matter, it's fixed now :)
[16:38] <cwayne> coolbhavi: can it be backwards copied to precise as well?
[16:39] <coolbhavi> cwayne, yes ll do that tomorrow as i'm heading to bed now
[16:39] <cwayne> coolbhavi: sure thing, no rush :)  thanks for the help!
[16:39] <coolbhavi> cwayne, no mention! take care ciao!
[16:40] <coolbhavi> dpm, wendar highvoltage mhall119 good night all!
[21:10] <ajmitch> morning
[21:20] <cwayne> mornin ajmitch


[03:25] <JoeMaverickSett> if i want to upgrade my kernel from this site: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.35-maverick/ what are that parts that i should download and install?
[03:25] <JoeMaverickSett> i'm running Lucid btw.
[04:21] <ripps> JoeMaverickSett: Just use the kernel-ppa
[04:25] <JoeMaverickSett> ripps, how do i do that? do you mean just use the kernel provided? i'm very new to this stuff.
[04:26] <ripps> JoeMaverickSett: I believe that maverick kernels are already packaged for lucid in a launchpad personal package archive. Wait a sec, let me look it up.
[04:27] <JoeMaverickSett> ripps, alright. take your time.
[04:27] <ripps> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa
[04:27] <JoeMaverickSett> thanks.
[04:29] <ripps> Yeah, just type `add-apt-repository ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install linux-generic-lts-backport-maverik`
[04:29] <JoeMaverickSett> ah! yup! thanks, ripps.
[04:32] <Andre_Gondim> I can't install ubuntu-restricted-extras at Maverick
[04:32] <Andre_Gondim> the pack ubuntu-restricted-addons is missing
[04:36] <ripps> I just let it uninstall, it's just a metapackage and nothing else was removed
[04:42] <LinoSP> hiii Q:Will ubuntu10.10 include nouveau driver with Galium 3D activated by default?
[04:43] <LinoSP> or does ubuntu maverick alpha3  include nouveau driver with Galium 3D activated by default?
[04:44] <ripps> LinoSP: I don't think Gallium is ready yet. But the xorg-edgers PPA has the packages necessary. Ask the guys in #ubuntu-x about it.
[04:44] <LinoSP> ripps: :) K thx for your answer
[04:47] <LinoSP> I have installed gallium 3d dirvers  on a nvidia8200  and is not usable at all (screen with funny colors messed), how can I unistall all the xorg-edgers PPA  packages
[04:48] <LinoSP> sorry q was for #ubuntu-x channel
[04:50] <JoeMaverickSett> is this patch: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/474223/  already applied in version 2.6.35?
[04:51] <DanaG> Cool, my G-P-M is fixed... didn't even have to file a bug on it.
[04:51] <DanaG> Drop 00git-kernel-backlight-interface.patch and 00git-port-to-libupower.patch: Upstream now. The first backport was buggy and broke the correct detection and signalling of brightness values.
[05:18] <DanaG> hmm, now g-p-m gets BadAtom with Radeon.
[05:28] <DanaG> Say, how stable is btrfs?
[05:29] <DanaG> Is it prone to random corruption, and such?  And would it be worth switching my SSD to use btrfs?
[05:36] <Volkodav> My maverick install is marginally slower on the same ssd with btrfs then Lynx on a tuned ext4
[05:36] <Volkodav> Lynx is way faster
[05:37] <Volkodav> boot apps - anything
[05:52] <almoxarife> anyone else having issues with nautilus, only since upgrade, any action will close it, although it seems to complete the action???????????
[06:01] <DanaG> hmm, how do you 'tune' ext4?
[06:04] <DanaG> I do have the partitions aligned, since I had win7 create the partition table (and it used the correct block size).
[06:15] <sinurge> almoxarife: i had some while using the live amd64 cd
[06:15] <sinurge> but on install it doesnt seem to have that issue
[06:18] <Volkodav> DanaG: http://cptl.org/wp/index.php/2010/03/30/tuning-solid-state-drives-in-linux/
[07:50] <DanaG> heh, when I boot from a usb-creator'd SD card, the "boot from first hard disk".... boots from... guess what?
[07:50] <DanaG> ... the SD card.
[07:52] <DanaG> Error mounting: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail  or so
[07:53] <DanaG> Wow, that's a verbose message!
[08:16] <almoxarife> something is not right, nautilus crashes every time I use it to make a change to the file system
[10:11] <guzu> hello all
[10:12] <guzu> i'd like to install maverick on a friend's notebook (because 10.04 fails to renoot. how usable it is?)
[10:12] <ikonia> hello
[10:12] <ikonia> it's unstable and in development
[10:12] <guzu> reboot
[10:12] <ikonia> I'd concentrate on resolving an issue with 10.04 which is an LTS release and has solid support, rather than try to get around it with a development release
[10:13] <guzu> can it be used to: brose internet, play sudoku and listen music?
[10:13] <ikonia> guzu: I would strongly advise against it
[10:13] <guzu> ikonia, i've concentrated all yesterday with no use
[10:13] <ikonia> guzu: have you logged a bug ?
[10:13] <guzu> ikonia, no
[10:13] <ikonia> ok - so it has long term support, log a bug and get the development team involved to resolve it
[10:14] <guzu> ikonia, it's a common problem on this notebook with fedora and mandriva\
[10:14] <ikonia> guzu: so why do you think maverick will fix it ?
[10:14] <guzu> ikonia, so maybe i should report to the upstream instead
[10:14] <guzu> it's newer kernel
[10:14] <guzu> ?
[10:14] <ikonia> guzu: log it to ubuntu, and give them the detail, and let them feed it upstream
[10:14] <guzu> i suppose :)
[10:15] <guzu> ikonia, not many details are available, mavhine just freezes after "Restarting system"
[10:15] <guzu> machine
[10:15] <guzu> and in 10.04 x86_64 too
[10:16] <guzu> of course, these distros all work fine in any other machine i've tried before. otoh, on this buggy asus machine ,wxp and jolicloud have no problem
[10:18] <guzu> so, would you recommend 8.04 instead of mavericl, ikonia ?
[10:19] <ikonia> no
[10:19] <ikonia> I'd recommend 10.04 the current LTS release
[10:19] <guzu> ikonia, thank you very much
[10:23] <guzu> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[10:29] <guzu> maverick: in user account creation step, if passwords don't match, it will not display the forward button but, it will also not say what the provblem is
[10:31] <guzu> where can i report a new bug? i'm here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ and i see no "new bug" button
[10:48] <ikonia> !bugs | guzu
[10:49] <guzu> ikonia, that link puts me in a loop (with no visible exit point :) ). i've found the useful link is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect . thank you
[11:02] <yofel_> guzu: that link works fine here, please read it and ask in #ubuntu-bugs if you have any more questions about bug filing
[11:02] <guzu> yofel_, thank you
[11:03] <guzu> yofel_, would it work even if i'm in fedora now?
[11:03] <yofel_> ah probably not
[11:03] <guzu> ok thank you
[11:41] <vershan> hello there guys and girls I am currenly using ubuntu 10.10 and would like for a windows computer to see a folder - how do i share a folder we are on the same network
[11:43] <ikonia> vershan: why are you using a development version ?
[11:44] <vershan> im new to ubuntu and one of my friends did this update for me
[11:44] <vish> ikonia: nice!
[11:44] <vershan> should i just move back to 10.0.4
[11:45] <ikonia> vershan: you can't move back to 10.04 without an install
[11:45] <ikonia> vish: huh ?
[11:45] <vershan> wow how do i do that
[11:45] <vershan> ?
[11:45] <vish> ikonia: i guess #ubuntu experience, played here.. you asked a neat Q ;)
[11:45] <ikonia> ah
[11:47] <vershan> ikonia sorry i never saw the ńot´
[11:47] <vershan> i get it now but can i make a windows computer see a folder if im using 10.10
[11:48] <ikonia> vershan: exactly the same as in 10.04
[11:48] <scizzo-> vershan: you mean another computer in the same network?
[11:49] <vershan> yes sir
[11:49] <scizzo-> vershan: there are many ways....many howtos for that also....everything depends on what you want to use...
[11:51] <scizzo-> vershan: best is to look for SMB sharing from linux to win
[11:51] <vershan> i used shares-admin - and installed whatever needed to be used
[11:51] <vershan> when i want to share i dont see Windows networks (SMB) option
[11:53] <scizzo-> vershan: well the are many howtos out there about sharing files from linux to win
[11:53] <scizzo-> vershan: was a long time since I set one up...only NFS shares I have used recently..
[11:54] <vershan> ok if i use unix networks nfs - will a windows computer be able to see this
[11:54] <scizzo-> vershan: NFS support in win is not standard
[11:54] <vershan> ok i see
[11:54] <scizzo-> vershan: and NFS to win is bad since it is slow....best is to use Samba sharing
[11:55] <vershan> ok how do i do that then?
[11:55] <scizzo-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba  <---- not sure how good that is....but its a start...
[11:55] <vershan> thanks buddy ill have a look
[11:56] <scizzo-> read it before doing the steps
[11:56] <scizzo-> vershan: if not check in #ubuntu channel
[11:56] <vershan> i will do
[12:14] <Machtin> any hint on how to get java installed?
[14:00]  * penguin42 yawns
[14:23] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[14:24] <penguin42> Hi Bug
[14:25] <boris-> hai
[14:25] <boris-> how stable is alpha 3 ? am i likely to have a lot of problems ?
[14:25] <BUGabundo> nothing special here
[14:25] <BUGabundo> but I've using it since day one of maverick
[14:26] <boris-> had to fix many things ?
[14:26] <BUGabundo> and all alphas before that back to 7.04
[14:26] <BUGabundo> I kinda stop noticing "bugs"
[14:26] <boris-> its so time wasting to upgrade ubuntu versions
[14:26] <BUGabundo> currently bugging me: kmail will need to be open twice, sound is mutted on boot, bright requires password, e-sata requires password
[14:26] <BUGabundo> that's it
[14:26] <boris-> what would you rate your computing skll
[14:26] <BUGabundo> 4 bugs heeh
[14:27] <BUGabundo> ohhhh and the DAMN gtk sloooooooowwwwwwwww bug
[14:27] <boris-> skill
[14:27] <BUGabundo> boris-: using linux since '95, previous win power user, sysadmin, spending most of my time in FLOSS projects, doing class in FLOSS projects
[14:27] <BUGabundo> does that count?
[14:28] <boris-> so expert
[14:28] <boris-> i've been alive since '95
[14:28] <BUGabundo> I've alone, filed more bugs in BTS then most users in #ubuntu put toguether
[14:28] <BUGabundo> mew
[14:28] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I've got an oops I can trigger from google-earth but I've got a patch for it - I'd like to get the kernel builders to pick it up though
[14:28] <BUGabundo> I have accounts in more BTS then most ppl know exist
[14:29] <BUGabundo> penguin42: weekly days, USA TZ #ubuntu-kernel
[14:29] <BUGabundo> or email their ML. don't expect a quick reply in both places
[14:29] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yeh, I've noticed many of the channels are getting dead at weekends when most of us who work get the time to fiddle!
[14:29] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:30] <penguin42> still, I've got a week off in a couple of weeks
[14:32] <BUGabundo> Use the Force my friend
[14:32] <penguin42> well, how do you think I fixed it :-)
[14:57] <george__> I am looking for options to help develop Ubuntu Maverick
[14:57] <george__> any ideas ?
[14:58] <penguin42> george__: Test it and report bugs! Oh, and fix them!
[14:58] <george__> lol
[14:58] <george__> the thing is I don't know where to start
[14:58] <george__> I don't have any experience in working on Open source OS
[14:59] <penguin42> ok, then report bugs
[14:59] <penguin42> If you're not a programmer then maybe get involved in the documentation or graphics projects
[15:05] <george__> I am a programmer but I've never tried working on and OS before I know a couple of programming languages very well
[15:06] <penguin42> george__: OK, so are there any programmes you relaly like a lot or any programs you would use a lot but they have problems/things you would fix?
[15:06] <penguin42> really
[15:07] <george__> Empathy the IM Client
[15:07] <george__> had tons of them
[15:07] <george__> is it fixed in Ubuntu 10.10
[15:07] <penguin42> I don't know, I don't use Empathy
[15:07] <nysosym> 10.10 wont boot in my virtual machine
[15:09] <penguin42> george__: If you can try 10.10 see if those bugs still exist, see if the bugs are in Launchpad, if not report them; find where the Empathy developers hang out, get to know them and try and fix some of the bugs
[15:09] <penguin42> nysosym: How far does it get?
[15:09] <nysosym> penguin42 i just get a black screen after grub
[15:10] <penguin42> nysosym: OK, so get into grub (shift just as it starts) and try editing out the lines near the top that are load video and set gfx something  and try again
[15:23] <dutchie> i seem to have rather a lot of packages help back on my maverick netbook
[15:23] <dutchie> as in, 105
[15:26] <penguin42> odd
[15:27] <penguin42> dutchie: Try doing apt-get install on one of them , it will either work and bring in a load of other stuff or suggest doing something bad (like removing a critical package) - if it just wants to install some more it will probably unblock it
[15:27] <dutchie> righty-ho
[15:27]  * dutchie waits for the current batch of upgrades to finish
[15:36] <dutchie> my fingers are too well trained to type "aptitude"
[15:41] <BUGabundo> dutchie: mine too
[15:44] <dutchie> i've managed to unstick it a bit by apt-get installing certain packages
[15:45]  * penguin42 is sure there is an aptitude equivalent - my brain just knows apt-get
[16:50] <nova> anyone know how i can run maverick from a flash drive with a ati5xxx hooked up with hmdi?
[16:55] <nova> so i guess if i have it hooked up this way, there is no way to install maverick?
[16:55] <penguin42> nova: Two things to try
[16:56] <penguin42> nova: First try removing the load_video and set gfx thing from the grub when you boot, also try booting with nomodeset
[16:57] <nova> ok and the other option?  i will restart here shortly and try
[16:58] <penguin42> there are two things there; the removals and the adding nomodeset
[16:58] <nova> oh ok got it thanks
[18:02]  * BUGabundo stabs avidemux
[18:51] <mikeconcepts> I've had no success creating a working boot usb of a3 maverick netbook, none of the easy methods like startup disk creator, unetbootin or the windows way work
[18:53] <mikeconcepts> the a2 version worked using startup disk creator and I've downloaded the a3 netbook iso twice
[18:56] <duffydack> dd ?
[18:57] <mikeconcepts> duffydack: if you are answering me, no
[18:57] <duffydack> I just use gujins bootloader and cat  my isos to the stick. quick n simple
[18:58] <mikeconcepts> duffydack: I will go learn that, thanks
[18:58] <duffydack> http://psychoticspoon.blogspot.com/2009/01/booting-multiple-livecds-from-single.html
[18:59] <mikeconcepts> thanks
[18:59] <duffydack> bit long winded, basically just make 16mb fat16 partition, install loader to it, make partition for each iso, cat ubuntu.iso > /dev/sdb2
[18:59] <duffydack> etc
[19:00] <duffydack> just easier for me when testing isos a lot.. dd zero it, cat the iso, done
[19:04] <BUGabundo> $ ffmpeg  -I input.mkv -vcodec copy -acodec ac3 -ab 160 output.mkv = Error while opening encoder for output stream #0.1 - maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height
[19:04] <BUGabundo> :(((((((((
[19:08] <duffydack> 160k ?
[19:09] <BUGabundo> k?
[19:09] <BUGabundo> where?
[19:09] <duffydack> is it supposed to be -ab 160k  (or maybe 1600000
[19:10] <duffydack> 160000  I mean
[19:10] <BUGabundo> ahh
[19:10] <BUGabundo> let me try
[19:10] <duffydack> certain versions ive used in the past have been weird like that
[19:11] <duffydack> ah, maybe the encoder..  -acodec faac or libfaac
[19:11] <BUGabundo> Encoder (codec id 0) not found for output stream #0.2
[19:11] <BUGabundo> ok
[19:11] <BUGabundo> now we are getting somewhere
[19:13] <duffydack> is it compiled with all the needed encoders?
[19:14] <BUGabundo> I do have libavcodec-extra-52
[19:15] <BUGabundo> avidemux won't produce valid files
[19:15] <BUGabundo> when doing video passthrough
[19:15] <duffydack> umm.  you be better off really compiling it properly..much nicer to you :)
[19:16] <duffydack> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786095  fantasticly easy.. and vp8 too!
[19:16] <BUGabundo> I expect for the package maintainers to do a reasonable job
[19:16] <BUGabundo> like any other packages
[19:16] <almoxarife> anyone else seeing nautilus crash after the upgrade?
[19:17] <BUGabundo> almoxarife: no
[19:17] <duffydack> if maintainers kept up I wouldnt have a ppa list a mile long :)
[19:17] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[19:17] <BUGabundo> actually I think there's an ffmpeg trunk ppa
[19:17] <BUGabundo> and one for gstream too
[19:18] <BUGabundo> or not
[19:18] <BUGabundo> ill try your way
[19:18] <duffydack> ive wasted my time with the repo version before..  I just compile it..  its only a copy paste job
[19:19] <duffydack> reminds me I need to do it again on this new install...
[19:20] <BUGabundo> jpds: Err mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt/ maverick/main git amd64 1:1.7.1-1.1
[19:20] <BUGabundo>   404  Not Found [Mirror: http://cesium.di.uminho.pt/pub/ubuntu-archive/]
[19:20] <duffydack> also uses checkinstall for nice debs.
[19:21] <duffydack> git/svn are always slow for me, I jsut get the daily tarballs
[19:22] <BUGabundo> ?
[19:22] <BUGabundo> why is this even pooling GIT?
[19:22] <BUGabundo> shouldn't it be git-core?
[19:22] <duffydack> im assuming your are using git to get x264
[19:22] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[19:22] <BUGabundo> they changed it
[19:23] <BUGabundo> no no
[19:23] <BUGabundo> !info git
[19:23] <duffydack> oh
[19:23] <BUGabundo> it used to be git-core
[19:23] <BUGabundo> !info git-core
[19:23] <BUGabundo> ppl always installed the app git when they actually wanted GIT the DRCS
[19:26] <BUGabundo> duffydack: how often should I check on ffmpeg updates?
[19:27] <BUGabundo> install: cannot change permissions of `/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig': No such file or directory
[19:27] <BUGabundo> ****  Installation failed. Aborting package creation.
[19:29] <BUGabundo> make: *** No rule to make target `/tests/fate/vp8.mak'.  Stop.
[19:29] <BUGabundo> ****  Installation failed. Aborting package creation.
[19:29] <BUGabundo> this "thing" doesn't like me :(
[19:37] <BUGabundo> LAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[19:37] <BUGabundo> all it needed as -scodec copy
[19:38] <ripps> Hmmm.... nautilus keeps crashing when I try to move or delete a file. http://pastebin.com/uvvdx4wA
[19:39] <BUGabundo> ripps: dropbox? ubuntu one ?
[19:40] <ripps> BUGabundo: I have Ubuntu One
[19:40] <ripps> I wasn't using it at the time. I'm using nautilus elementary, could it be doing something?
[19:41] <BUGabundo> its pooling some kinda of plugin or gtk lib
[19:41] <duffydack> back.  check on updates?   you can recompile it everyday if you like :)
[19:42] <ripps> BUGabundo: any idea what plugin it's polling?
[19:43] <duffydack> ripps, there are known bugs with U1 and nautilus elementary.  I have one.
[19:43] <ripps> But I'm not even trying to use U1, why is it interfering
[19:43] <BUGabundo> ripps: no
[19:43] <BUGabundo> there's a folder for them
[19:43] <BUGabundo> find it and move stuff out
[19:43] <BUGabundo> ripps: as long as u1 is installed.....
[19:43] <BUGabundo> you know the drill
[19:44] <duffydack> Sorry not U1,  I mean using nautilus elementary with things like emptying trash
[19:44] <duffydack> has U1 related bugs also tho..like making a file public, crashes.
[19:46] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[19:47] <BUGabundo> the video is TOO fast
[19:47] <BUGabundo> and no sound :(
[19:47] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo: Are you using mencoder?
[19:47] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[19:48] <BUGabundo> there's audio but its glitchy :(
[19:48] <BUGabundo> Jordan_U: $ ffmpeg  -i input.mkv -vcodec copy -acodec ac3 -ab 128kb -scodec copy output.mkv
[19:48] <BUGabundo> avidemux already gave me very similar results
[19:48] <ripps> why did this suddenly happen, though. I've been using nautilus-elementary in Maverick for months, why did this suddenly happen?
[19:49]  * BUGabundo points ripps to /topic: anything and everything will brake
[19:49] <duffydack> brb
[19:50] <BUGabundo> this is useless
[19:50] <BUGabundo> let me see if there's a bug in WDTV firmware
[19:51] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo: Does the Video play properly in another player?
[19:52] <BUGabundo> plays fine in mplayer in my laptop
[19:52] <BUGabundo> a bit slow
[19:52] <BUGabundo> but that just CPU for a 720p
[19:53] <Jordan_U> What about totem. Due to bugs I think that mplayer is more likely to "properly" play a malformed file than gstreamer.
[19:53] <duffydack> I`ll try find an mkv to test mine on.
[19:54] <BUGabundo> totem is fine FYI
[19:54] <BUGabundo> I've tried *every* option avidemux gives me, and now cli ffmpeg
[19:54] <BUGabundo> video passthrouth is just busted
[19:54] <BUGabundo> recoding with something like handbrake works fine
[19:55] <BUGabundo> but thakes 1h:50m for a 50min video
[19:55] <BUGabundo> while passthtouth takes 1-3 min depending on audio codec
[19:55] <Jordan_U> And I'll bet that all but about 20 seconds of that is writing the new file to disk :)
[19:55] <BUGabundo> for some background , my WDTV 1stgen doesn't like DTS (or any audio format with more then 2 outputs)
[19:57] <BUGabundo> there are some known apps in wdtv forums that do the trick, but they are all windows
[19:57] <BUGabundo> and I'm stubern and refuse
[19:57] <BUGabundo> must do it in linux some how
[19:57] <BUGabundo> just not now
[19:57] <BUGabundo> dinner with friends
[19:57] <BUGabundo> thanks for the help
[19:57] <BUGabundo> I'll be here later or tomorrow, probably, and week nites (no more IRC at work, or I get fired :( )
[20:03] <almoxarife> (gnome-power-manager:3090): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_connect_data: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed <-- what would the cause be for that error, I have a log full of them
[20:06] <DanaG> Last time I tried to tell U1 to sync my Dropbox folder (so I could sync with ARM), it just devoured my CPU for hours on end.
[20:09] <penguin42> wow, that's a weird bug - starting a VM and I get a multisecond echo on my pulse audio playback
[20:11] <Jordan_U> penguin42: Do you know what a ring buffer is?
[20:11] <penguin42> yeh
[20:13] <Jordan_U> penguin42: Pulseadio (through ALSA) writes audio samples to a ring buffer, which when using pulse can be quite large (multiple seconds). If pulseadio is unable to update the buffer in time then the audio card will loop back and replay what's left over from the previous write.
[20:14] <penguin42> Jordan_U: It shouldn't be causign that much delay - the machine doesn't feel sluggish, and it still seems to be doing it if I remove the emulated sound card
[20:16] <Jordan_U> penguin42: What virtualization software?
[20:16] <penguin42> kvm
[20:17] <Jordan_U> penguin42: Does just starting kvm without a virtual disk, "kvm" without any other options, trigger the loop?
[20:18] <penguin42> Jordan_U: It seems to be on starting or shutting down the guest
[20:18] <Jordan_U> penguin42: Is that a no?
[20:19] <penguin42> Jordan_U: I haven't tried it without a virtual disk yet - I'm just waiting for something to fail in the VM
[20:22] <penguin42> kvm without any optinos doesn't trigger it
[20:27] <duffydack> bugabundo, meh you're gone.  Well I did what he was trying to do with success.
[20:29] <duffydack> any way to leave a pm for someone, for when they are here and I am not?
[20:31] <penguin42> no
[20:34] <penguin42> duffydack: However, see https://launchpad.net/~bugabundo
[20:35] <guntbert> duffydack: /msg memoderv help
[20:35] <guntbert> memoserv
[20:36] <penguin42> golly, I didn't know we had such technology
[20:47] <duffydack> The memo has been successfully sent to bugabundo :)
[20:48]  * penguin42 sighs at mountall
[21:38] <mikelifeguard> How can I find out what version of a package is going into maverick?
[21:39] <penguin42> packages.ubuntu.com
[21:39] <Daekdroom> mikelifeguard, you can also use !info <packagename> in this channel
[21:39] <Daekdroom> In case you need to check a lot of packages, do /msg ubottu !info <packagename> maverick
[21:40] <mikelifeguard> thanks, I'll use PM...
[21:40] <mikelifeguard> hmph, perl 5.10 still
[21:42] <yofel> mikelifeguard: we sync most packages from debian, they have 5.10 in testing and unstable, 5.12 is in experimental, but we don't sync from experimental unless requested and there's a reason to do it
[21:42] <penguin42> which reminds me actually
[21:42] <penguin42> !iscsitarget
[21:42] <mikelifeguard> but it is New! and Improved!! xD
[21:42] <penguin42> !info iscsitarget
[21:42] <penguin42> hmm, that's still the broken verson
[21:43] <yofel> mikelifeguard: New and Improved usually contradict each other :P
[21:43] <mikelifeguard> silence, heathen! :D
[21:43] <duffydack> I know why do they people keep usin that term,.
[22:01] <skyjumper> is rubygems working on maverick for anyone else?
[22:08] <penguin42> skyjumper: I don't really no ruby gems, but it just managed to install the heroku gem ok for me
[22:08] <penguin42> know
[22:13] <skyjumper> using 1.9.2?
[22:13] <skyjumper> (ruby version)
[22:14] <penguin42> no, ruby1.8 - that was installed when I installed rubygems
[22:16] <skyjumper> ah
[22:30] <Machtin> does anyone know how i can get sun/oracle java from the repos? can't find it in partner..
[22:31] <guntbert> Machtin: might not yet exist for maverick?
[22:31] <Machtin> hmh, i see.
[22:32] <penguin42> Machtin: There is a fair chance if you copy the debs from the Lucid partner repo they'll work
[22:33] <Machtin> humm.. will try that :)
[22:35] <Machtin> ah, just noticed that i do use the lucid-partner-channel.
[22:36] <Machtin> but it was blocked because of the maverick one i suppose.
[22:37] <Machtin> thanks penguin42.. that's SO much faster.
[22:39] <penguin42> no problem
[22:42] <ripps> Okay, I've determined that my nautilus-elementary crashing isn't being caused by any nautilus plugins, because it still happens even after I remove all of them
[22:43] <penguin42> ripps: When it crashes does it generate a core/apptrace thing?
[22:43] <ripps> penguin42: no, but I do have a backtrace
[22:44] <penguin42> what does it look like?
[22:44] <ripps> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/61ekPZAC
[22:46] <penguin42> hmm I don't know how to debug dbus evilness; I've got a gio/dbus breakage in the drive mounter I haven't been able to track down
[22:46] <ripps> I think this might have started with the latest glib upgrade
[22:46] <penguin42> ripps: What USB or similar devices do you have plugged in?
[22:46] <ripps> penguin42: just a usb harddisk
[22:47] <penguin42> ripps: You could try running dbus-monitor (for both session and system busses) and see if anything interesting takes place just prior to nautilus dying
[22:48] <ripps> penguin42: error sender=:1.10 -> dest=:1.287 error_name=org.glib.GError.g_2Dio_2Derror_2Dquark.c15 reply_serial=12 string "The specified location is not supported"
[22:53] <penguin42> that's not too dissimilar to the crash I get - which happens when it tries to mount my camera
[22:55] <penguin42> the question is how to figure out what location it was trying to access
[22:57] <ripps> penguin42: the crash occurs whenever I try to move a file, that includes moving to trash.
[22:58] <penguin42> what's your filesystem?
[22:58] <ripps> ext4
[22:58] <ripps> I can move things fine from commandline, it's only nautilus
[22:58] <penguin42> hmm nothing odd then
[23:23] <ripps> penguin42: hmm... it might be caused by some power-management issues
[23:23] <ripps> ** (nautilus:8956): WARNING **: Could not inhibit power management: Timeout was reached
[23:23] <ripps> g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished. Exiting.
[23:23] <ripps> Terminated
[23:24] <penguin42> I'm not sure what that would be - maybe on your USB disk?
[23:27] <ripps> didn't they just remove the last bits of devkit-power for upower, maybe some api bits are still in place for nautilus
[23:27] <penguin42> but that's just a name change isn't it?
[23:28] <ripps> penguin42: it has nothing to do with my usb disk. I still get the crash even when I remove it.
[23:28] <penguin42> then I wonder what power management it's moaning about
[23:29] <ripps> It seems to freeze a bit before it crashes, as if it's waiting for something, but than it fails and aborts
[23:29] <ripps> I should probably downgrade to normal nautilus and see if the problem remains


[07:22] <dholbach> good morning
[10:09]  * ebel shall be forwarding an email to the list
[10:16] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:19] <ebel> Someone I know might be going to Nigeria with VSO
[10:20] <ebel> and is looking for software advice.
[10:20] <ebel> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ngo/msg00283.html email I just sent to the list.


[01:37] <daftykins> this is great
[01:37] <daftykins> a mates in Tokyo at the moment...
[01:37] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mg08pjbrxpcx5zx/2014-05-17%2014.57.56.jpg
[09:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:25] <popey> pip pip
[09:26] <brobostigon> meep
[11:34] <DJones> 9Hmmh, Sky multiroom boxes come in handy when you're planning on going away in a caravan & have a portable dish
[11:59] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:00] <brobostigon> afternoonings bigcalm
[12:03] <bigcalm> o/
[12:27] <mapps> yay
[12:27] <mapps> morning
[12:27] <mapps> 5955416	2014-05-26 13:27:11	Withdraw		*2001	£1,427.00
[12:27] <mapps> :D
[12:28] <mapps> finally had a winning bet at winner.com
[12:36] <penguin42> :what was that on?
[12:50] <shauno> I've just found the most mindbending bug in one of our systems :/
[12:50] <penguin42> it's good when you find them :-)
[12:51] <shauno> we have a thing where when a customer's password is sent back to them in a webpage, it's sent as *******.  and then when we get the form back, if the content isn't ******'s, they've changed their password and we update
[12:51] <shauno> that way the form element looks like it has something in it, but isn't anything revealing
[12:52] <shauno> soooo today I've found a customer who used the password '*****' and caused the universe to implode
[12:52] <penguin42> but sometimes the *'s get expanded/changed?
[12:52] <penguin42> hahahaha
[12:52] <penguin42> shauno: Rule 58: Ensure special values are always special
[13:08] <mapps> :Dpenguin42 okc thunder last night
[13:08] <mapps> :D
[13:09] <mapps> just glad ive got some yen now
[13:09]  * penguin42 hasn't got a clue what okc thunder is
[13:09] <mapps> oklahoma city thunder - nba
[13:09] <penguin42> ah
[13:09] <mapps> my deposits from the 23rd - now are quite a lot though so its not as impressive as it sounds ....like £1080
[13:09] <mapps> just went through them
[13:10] <penguin42> ah, so you bet over 1K ?
[13:10] <mapps> yea
[13:10] <mapps> :)
[13:16] <penguin42> over what period?
[13:17] <penguin42> and if you keep going at the same rate would you be winning or losing?
[13:42] <mapps> er
[13:42] <mapps> not sure penguin42
[13:42] <mapps> at least its not raining today
[13:53] <penguin42> right, nicely contained scan order for bits
[13:54] <mapps> what you order
[13:56] <penguin42> oh just bits; hard drive (an SSD failed yesterday), couple of small uSD cards, usb-sata caddy (see hard drive) a mouse and a long cat5e cable
[15:31] <foobarry> what are the chances someone will want my lovely quintrix CRT for free?
[15:31] <foobarry> feels wrong to take it to the tip
[15:35] <Myrtti> zero to none
[15:41] <foobarry> possibly in the negative territory as i can't even get help to lift it out of the house :D
[15:48] <jussi> foobarry: find a computer museum :D
[16:17] <foobarry> its a lovely telly
[16:17] <foobarry> :)
[16:17] <foobarry> i cannot deploy my new one yet due to a case of missing screws for the stand :(
[16:18] <foobarry> anyone currentyl got a synology nas?
[16:18] <foobarry> thinkn it will be my next tech purchase if i can release funds
[16:31] <penguin42> foobarry: I have a similar problem with my TV
[16:38] <foobarry> :( penguin42
[16:38] <foobarry> cant workout what screws i need
[16:38] <foobarry> #or where to find them
[16:41] <foobarry> M6 screws allegedly
[16:47] <penguin42> those are pretty common aren't they ?
[16:47] <penguin42> foobarry: My TV is a 32" tosh - and the challenge would be getting it down the stairs
[16:49] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: pick up TV... move to top of stairs... DROP!  job done!
[16:49] <diddledan> what a load of tosh
[16:49] <foobarry> mine is a panasonic 32incher, i carried it from somebodys flat to the car. i nearly died twice
[16:50] <mapps> yea it sucks chucking stuff away foobarry
[16:51] <foobarry> i have 2 kids so finding time to do *anything* sucks
[16:51] <foobarry> unless i can do it cheaply from my armchair
[16:51] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Yeh it's the 'pick up TV' bit that's the problem
[16:51] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: How are the bionics?
[16:51] <mapps> i hate chucking stuff
[16:51] <mapps> really hate it
[16:51] <foobarry> my car is only 20 yds from the telly so i'll get a mate to lift it to the car on a convenient day
[16:52] <foobarry> and then it will stay in the car for a week until the dump is open
[16:52] <foobarry> and i am not working
[16:52] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: no prob - get someone else to do it - do a Huckleberry Finn on them... tell them it's fun
[16:52] <penguin42> mapps: Yeh I mean it's still working so I'm not desperate to get rid of this TV, but these flat panels keep looking at me whenever I go in Dixons
[16:53] <mapps> exactly
[16:53] <mapps> my dad chucked out a perfectly fine 32inch tv..annoyed me
[16:53] <mapps> just because it was crt
[16:53] <mapps> :(
[16:53] <diddledan> dixons still exist?
[16:53] <mapps> ya
[16:53] <foobarry> dixoncurrypcworldphonewarehouse?
[16:53] <diddledan> I thought they closed all the dixons in favour of currys and pcworld combos
[16:53] <mapps> yea same thing tho aint it
[16:54] <diddledan> same company, different emphasis
[16:54] <penguin42> diddledan: Yes I'm sorry, I mean currys.digital or whatever the highstreet ones are
[16:54] <SuperEngineer> or do what I did when I eventually went for an upgrade [not long ago], remove guilt by moving old tv to bedroom
[16:54] <SuperEngineer> ...one day I might even plug it in ;)
[16:55] <penguin42> out of sight out of mind?
[16:55] <mapps> :D
[16:55] <SuperEngineer> penguin42:  ... & the bionics are recovering nicely.  Thanks for asking.
[16:56] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: out of sight except for when too tired to realise... works for me ;)
[16:56] <foobarry> paul mcgann is reading my sons audio book. he has the most dour voice known to man
[16:57] <foobarry> so now you're all back into life, any synology users?
[17:00] <SuperEngineer> what's a "synology user" - is that slang for someone addicted to a drug I missed in my yoof?
[17:00]  * SuperEngineer phones evil dealer - asks for some synology
[17:01] <diddledan> quote: "French beekeepers were shocked to find their bees had produced a supply of thick, blue honey. Turns out the bees had been feeding on the colourful shells of M&Ms - a Mars processing plant sat just 4 km away."
[17:01] <diddledan> and the image to go with: https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/1798691_837779872909692_1973397425184143260_n.jpg
[17:02] <Myrtti> I just love the Asian supermarket / cash and carry we have relatively close
[17:02] <Myrtti> stocked up on dumplings and my favourite noodles again
[17:02]  * SuperEngineer puts phone down having been sworn at by evil dealer - picks it up again and suggests diddledan could well be a customer!
[17:02] <Myrtti> they even had durian ice lollies but we didn't venture there
[17:02] <penguin42> diddledan: Nice!
[17:03] <foobarry> obligatory overprocesssed holiday pic http://i.imgur.com/zb1ahTW.jpg
[17:04] <penguin42> diddledan: http://www.ediblegeography.com/crispy-wings/   is from a bunch of guys who were tracking some birds and couldn't figure out why they were going to one particular town -  a crisp factory
[17:04] <penguin42> foobarry: Yeh the sky looks interesting
[17:05] <foobarry> because cornwall and because tonemapping
[17:05] <foobarry> cornish clouds are good for god rays.
[17:05] <diddledan> foobarry, you need to do some HDR
[17:06] <foobarry> i did already :S
[17:06] <diddledan> heh.. ok :-p
[17:06] <foobarry> there were 4 exposures , hence the ghosting
[17:06] <diddledan> gotcha
[17:07] <foobarry> i have a proper hdr one with no tonemap fakery
[17:07] <diddledan> what explains how the wall and tree are so well defined
[17:07] <diddledan> that*
[17:08] <foobarry> designed more for viewing on phones etc..it wouldn't stand up to much scrutiny
[17:09] <diddledan> *want* http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/monitors/28inchplusmonitors/29ub65-p.html
[17:10] <diddledan> that would improve my photo viewing
[17:12] <daftykins> pff who looks at photos ;)
[17:12] <daftykins> omw that's cheap now
[17:12] <daftykins> i paid like £360-400 each for my Dell 2408's back in the day
[17:12] <daftykins> they're still great, with every input under the sun, but CCFL based
[17:13] <penguin42> there are some 4k's now for 499
[17:15] <daftykins> day-um
[17:15] <daftykins> reminds me, i've been asked to find an 80" TV
[17:15] <diddledan> bloomin nora
[17:15] <diddledan> that's hooge
[17:15] <daftykins> it's a tough one though - feels a bit late in the day to be buying just a 1080p panel of said size, yet there won't be any source nor content for 4K
[17:15] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: have they got a ruler? If not, I've got an 80" TV for sale ;)
[17:16] <foobarry> clambering over these rocks with my 4yr old was fun http://i.imgur.com/a43bxuu.jpg
[17:17] <daftykins> heh
[17:17] <daftykins> it'd replace a plasma 65"
[17:17] <daftykins> which is insanely heavy
[17:18] <foobarry> which uses more energy, a 32 inch plsma, lcd or crt
[17:18] <foobarry> when being watched
[17:19] <diddledan> crt I would thing
[17:19] <diddledan> k
[17:19] <diddledan> then plasma a close second
[17:19] <SuperEngineer> foobarry: depends which one you plug in ;)
[17:20] <diddledan> a crt makes all sorts of extra goodness such as x-rays
[17:20] <diddledan> so needs moar powah
[17:20] <SuperEngineer> [any TV can be "watched" - it's watching programmes that loused up your electic bill
[17:21]  * SuperEngineer returns form bedroom - watched the tv for a while - it didn't move
[17:22] <SuperEngineer> *from
[17:24] <penguin42> well, apparently my 32" Tosh takes 95W
[17:25] <diddledan> I think it's very impolite to use that term
[17:25] <diddledan> I prefer "pardon" to "watt"
[17:26] <penguin42> if you say watt again.....
[17:26] <diddledan> watt?
[17:26] <diddledan> I mean pardon?
[17:26] <penguin42> I dare you....
[17:26] <bigcalm> I double dare you
[17:26] <penguin42> modern 32" Tosh LCD 53W - so not a vast difference
[17:27]  * SuperEngineer checks TV paperwork to see the "excuse me" useage
[17:27] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, what about the "I'm sorry to bother you" scale?
[17:29] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: ah - that was hidden at the back of the manual - got it now
[17:30] <SuperEngineer> ..right next next to it's politeness rating...
[17:30] <SuperEngineer> [& finds it measured with "Favourable Amperage Reality Testings"]
[17:30]  * penguin42 can't find the power consumption of a plasma
[17:30] <diddledan> aah the FART emissions test
[17:31] <SuperEngineer> aw cumon!... took me bleedin' ages to work that one out!
[17:31] <diddledan> :-)
[17:33] <diddledan> I don't get why analogue vga signalling is still considered important enough to put on every monitor
[17:33] <diddledan> the digital ones are a pot-shot as to which are supported on any particular monitor but analogue vga is always there?!
[17:34] <penguin42> to plug PCs into
[17:34] <penguin42> diddledan: They might get some signage uses as well, but you would have thought it would simplify the hardware if they got rid of all analog inputs
[17:35] <diddledan> [18:34:11]  <penguin42>	 to plug PCs into <-- considering that's what a monitor usually has plugged into it then, yeah
[17:37] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - I wondered that spare monitor cable forced into the printer port didn't work!
[17:37] <penguin42> diddledan: I do have my mum running her PC on a TV
[17:38] <diddledan> penguin42, aye but I'm not talking about plugging a computer into a tv, I'm talking about plugging it into a monitor. monitors are specifically designed for computers to plug into them
[17:39] <SuperEngineer> Boasting here... main monitor plugged to graphics card DVI socket, TV plugged to HDMI, old vga monitor [used for slideshow of photos] plugged to vga monitor of same graphcs card!
[17:39] <diddledan> I fail to understand the reasoning that VGA is still important to include everywhere
[17:40] <penguin42> diddledan: OK ok but I do use VGA still - on my work laptop
[17:40] <penguin42> diddledan: There's still too much randomness about what you will find on laptops
[17:40]  * SuperEngineer hugs his graphics card & vga monitor - and covers vga's ears from diddledan's insults
[17:40] <diddledan> I can understand a few monitors including vga for backward compatibility, but I don't get why every. damned. single. monitor. everywhere. has to include vga
[17:40] <penguin42> except Macs, where you can be sure you'll have nothing useful
[17:41] <penguin42> hmm are there any other EU news sites in English - I'm curious what they make of it
[17:41] <SuperEngineer> because out there in the big wide business world - VGA is still commonly used perhaps
[17:46] <SuperEngineer> Breaking news - all votes in euro elections invalidated - Jono Bacon chosen to stand as "the voice of sanity" instead.
[17:46] <diddledan> well done, jono
[18:39] <directhex> diddledan, 100% of laptops have VGA, since 100% of projectors have VGA
[18:40] <daftykins> any of you gents dealt with some of the more messy EFI installs? :)
[18:40] <daftykins> a mates helping someone with their win8 laptop
[18:40] <daftykins> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7523209/
[18:41] <daftykins> ubuntu's been installed via CSM (so legacy boot) into the tail end of the disk, then boot-repair was used to point to sda2 as the EFI partition (which it is)
[18:41] <daftykins> but upon changing 'BIOS' back to EFI instead of CSM, apparently only Windows boots still
[18:42] <directhex> so what's the intention?
[18:43] <daftykins> to have a GRUB menu for a choice between EFI booting both 8 and ubuntu ideally
[18:43] <directhex> EFI boots "applications" - either any application registered with the firmware, or the application in a default path on a drive with a supported filesystem
[18:44] <daftykins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Converting_Ubuntu_into_EFI_or_Legacy_mode
[18:44] <directhex> if ubuntu was installed as BIOS, i doubt grub is registered in the firmware
[18:44] <daftykins> he followed that to try and turn the CSM install into EFI mode
[18:44] <daftykins> yeah, would it actually need to be installed via some means, like the grub-efi package installed?
[18:44] <directhex> can i ask why he did this ass-backwards?
[18:45] <daftykins> seems he couldn't get this Toshiba booting his USB flash drive in EFI mode
[18:45] <directhex> you can only register an EFI application when booted into an EFI OS
[18:45] <daftykins> i was thinking that the above steps are all well and good - but they don't actually do anything to *put* GRUB onto the EFI partition
[18:45] <directhex> also that
[18:45] <penguin42> I thought there was some magic to run under windows to fix something
[18:47] <daftykins> the disk is so damned messy from one ugly factory install that i'm tempted to suggest nuking the disk and starting with a fresh 8 install ;)
[18:48] <daftykins> directhex: is that guide spreading lies then? since it claims you can turn it into an EFI install from outside
[18:48] <directhex> daftykins, you need to be booted into EFI ubuntu to make EFI ubuntu bootable. it is impossible to modify EFI variables when booted via BIOS
[18:48] <popey> Evening slackers.
[18:49] <daftykins> hi popey o/
[18:49] <daftykins> how do?
[18:49] <popey> Tickety boo.
[18:49] <popey> Finally recovered from a busy week.
[18:49] <daftykins> directhex: ok, sounds like they depend upon booting a flash drive as EFI to sort out the install there
[18:50] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/tnfemv330crx2w9/AAAC4ua2eqKCbNWxYEY3uPCYa#/
[18:50] <daftykins> he's also getting this right now
[18:50] <directhex> daftykins, bingo
[18:50] <daftykins> this is upon closing out of boot-repair
[18:50] <directhex> yikes
[18:50] <directhex> boot-repair looks like total garbage
[18:52] <daftykins> as does that guide if it thinks you can convert an install solely by running it to do that much
[18:53] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/340zvhvnt8tvzeu/AABGIXBZSWiM0b6PYBCM_Jq3a#lh:1-2014-05-27%2003.37.44.jpg
[18:53] <daftykins> that was also a key image of just a moment ago
[18:56] <daftykins> ah
[18:56] <daftykins> now it's doing things
[18:56] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/8q94fx6t1vs76nj/AADQaJ4BPga43LuT4Z3WA59Ia
[19:09] <daftykins> hah, boot-repair crashed somewhere along the process
 boot-repair looks like total garbage
[19:17] <daftykins> it looks like what it's trying to do goes against your above statement though
[19:17] <daftykins> so which is wrong? :>
[19:17] <directhex> ultimately what it's trying to do won't work unless efivars is mounted
[19:18] <directhex> well... unless it overwrites bootx64.efi on the efi partition
[19:19] <daftykins> yeah it appears to rename the Windows one
[19:19] <daftykins> so i imagine it's replacing it with another
[19:21] <directhex> ._.
[19:23] <daftykins> i think it's disk nuking time :D
[19:24] <directhex> total lunar sea.
[19:27] <daftykins> yeah? well it's not gonna do anything itself
[19:29] <directhex> blurg @ EU votes
[19:32] <daftykins> i'm not in the EU
[20:11] <brunogirin> directhex: being a Frenchman living in the UK, I did double bleuaarrgghhh last night
[20:55] <MooDoo> howdy all
[20:56] <daftykins> evening
[21:04] <directhex> brunogirin, the FN's success is far worse than UKIP
[21:21] <brunogirin> directhex: I know :-(


[07:05] <rww> !ops-#ubuntu-server croOoOoak is a solo hooy spambot
[07:05] <rww> oh for god's sake
[07:05] <rww> !ops-#ubuntu-server | croOoOoak is a solo hooy spambot
[07:05] <rww> ubottu: forget ops-#ubuntu-server croOoOoak
[07:05] <rww> why am i not surprised
[07:06] <Flannel> rww: yeah, that's stuck.  Last time this happened I looked at the code and there's no path that'll let you delete it.
[07:06] <rww> sounds like a bug
[07:06] <Flannel> Eh, its a design decision.
[09:29] <funkyHat> Design decision and bug are not mutually exclusive ;D
 i have heard murmours that ubuntu might become alongside a pay for use version
[11:14] <bazhang> ubuntu genuine advantage
[11:20] <ikonia> "I heard rumours" = "I made something up"
[11:22] <bazhang> yep
[12:31] <k1l> !partner
[18:30] <Pici> ugh
[18:31]  * Pici dislikes his advice being ignored
[18:36] <bazhang> any time I see questions from new users with the word metasploit, I guess it means "teach me to do it"
[21:26] <k1l> should we link !bootrepair to this side? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:27] <k1l> !bootrepair is Boot-Repair is a simple tool to repair frequent boot issues you may encounter in Ubuntu like when you can't boot Ubuntu after installing Windows or another Linux distribution, or when you can't boot Windows after installing Ubuntu, or when GRUB is not displayed anymore, some upgrade breaks GRUB, etc. see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:28] <k1l> can someone scratch that doubled "bootrepair is" ?
[21:28] <Pici> Thats a very long factoid
[21:29] <k1l> !bootrepair is Boot-Repair is a simple tool to repair frequent boot issues you may encounter in Ubuntu. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:30] <k1l> i am not really familiar with the factoid commands
[21:31] <Pici> !no bootrepair is <reply> Boot-Repair is a simple tool to repair frequent boot issues you may encounter in Ubuntu. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair for more info.
[21:32] <k1l> thanks. was just searching for the factoids command foo
[21:35]  * jussi prods at Pici


[00:13] <superkuh> For a long time I've been bothered by MATE's defaults for Caja which stop updating directory listings in real time when the folder has more than 1000 items. I just recently discovered the limit in original gnome 2. 3000 items. I still have not found any "1000" reference in the MATE source which defines it. I'm starting to think it's some gtk3 thing.
[00:54] <m4t> heh yeah i shoulda tested, i have another newer cm storm :P
[00:54] <m4t> pretty sure it's physical tho
[03:43] <m4t> superkuh: ya not happening with the newer cm storm that's barely been used
[03:44] <m4t> i ordered some replacement switches, coincidence it seemed to start spazzing after 24.04 upgrade i guess