[00:36] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1097 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.30-5 kernels.
[00:38] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1098 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu37
[12:25] <CIA-4> base-installer: cjwatson * r369 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog debian/control library.sh): Use block-attr from di-utils 1.68.
[12:27] <CIA-4> partman-crypto: cjwatson * r679 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog debian/control finish.d/crypto_config): Use block-attr from di-utils 1.68.
[12:30] <CIA-4> partman-target: cjwatson * r762 ubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Use block-attr from di-utils 1.68.
[12:32] <CIA-4> partman-target: cjwatson * r763 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish.d/create_fstab_header): Recommend blkid rather than vol_id in /etc/fstab.
[12:43] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1099 ubuntu/ (build/pkg-lists/base debian/changelog): Add util-linux-udeb to base, for blkid.
[14:19] <CIA-4> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r675 ubuntu/ (14 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.68
[14:21] <CIA-4> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r676 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.68ubuntu1
[15:11] <xivulon> I was investigating the use of unionfs for wubi/colinux 9.10 and stumbled upon this article: http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009/04/28/whats-behind-lzma-compressed-livecds/
[15:14] <xivulon> source: http://git.opensuse.org/?p=people/coolo/clicfs.git
[15:21] <superm1> xivulon, keep in mind aufs (unionfs's derivative) is being discussed at uds to be axed
[15:21] <superm1> you'll want to probably sit in that discussion to see what happens of it
[15:22] <xivulon> is this in favor of unionmount?
[15:23] <superm1> i've not heard what the alternative to be proposed was
[15:23] <superm1> but I think they are discussing axing aufs because upstream has denied it going into the kernel so many times
[15:26] <cjwatson> xivulon: we investigated some of that kind of thing around 9.04 release time; the rather critical problem with that approach is that lzma kills rsyncability
[15:26] <cjwatson> but I haven't specifically looked at clicfs, and will do
[15:26] <cjwatson> axing aufs isn't in favour of *anything* yet, we literally don't know what to do
[15:27] <cjwatson> all the options suck, AFAICT
[15:27] <cjwatson> unionfs-fuse is potentially interesting
[15:29] <xivulon> mini_fo might also be interesting
[15:29] <xivulon> but looks unmaintained
[15:30] <cjwatson> mm, don't want yet another badly-maintained union filesystem :)
[15:31] <xivulon> just googled the topic :) mini_fo is used in openwrt, so it should be used quite widely
[15:31] <superm1> openwrt doesn't rev to current kernels often though
[15:32] <superm1> i'm still running a "current" 2.4 series kernel on one of my AP's
[15:32] <cjwatson> yeah, git repository last updated in June 2006, I think it's extremely unlikely that'll build let alone work
[15:32] <cjwatson> (mini_fo)
[15:33] <xivulon> the source might give some ideas though, apparently has less features/craft (only 2 layers, 1 ro, 1rw...)
[15:33] <xivulon> anyway have subscribed (thanks superm1 had missed that from the title), will be an interesting discussion
[15:34] <cjwatson> much more interested in working solutions than in ideas :-) I totally don't want to get into writing kernel union filesystems, ever
[15:36] <xivulon> I was also curious about device-mapper   snapshots, never tried that, what are the pros/cons?
[15:37] <cjwatson> the source device has to be the same filesystem as the filesystem you want to expose, so basically would need to be ext3; in order to compress that you need either gzip (too big) or the lzma patches (not in kernel yet and totally break rsyncability)
[15:37] <cjwatson> the cons are enough for me to veto it; I don't think it's usable for us
[15:37] <cjwatson> (unfortunately)
[15:38] <xivulon> I'd guess clicfs could be made a bit modular in terms of compression
[15:41] <cjwatson> well, it could, but it wouldn't help
[15:41] <cjwatson> the choices, at that level, are gzip compression or lzma compression
[15:41] <cjwatson> gzip compression won't fit, and lzma compression won't rsync
[15:43] <xivulon> I see thanks for the clarification
[15:44] <cjwatson> (we had high hopes for this and did experiments, only to be disappointed)
[15:47] <superm1> rsync can't be outfitted to support lzma compression too?
[15:49] <xivulon> is the uds schedule automatic based on presence or do I need to poke someone?
[15:51] <cjwatson> superm1: other way round
[15:51] <cjwatson> superm1: basically, lzma gets its high compression ratios because it shuffles things about a lot, which more or less inevitably reduces rsyncability
[15:52] <superm1> ah i see
[15:52] <cjwatson> you'd have to reduce its block size a lot in order to make it rsyncable, and at that point why bother using lzma ...
[15:53] <xivulon> so it cannot really be fixed
[15:53] <cjwatson> not in lzma, as far as I know, no
[16:23] <cjwatson> well, that's interesting
[16:23] <cjwatson> unionfs-fuse manages to mount, but then when casper does 'mount -o move /filesystem.squashfs /root/rofs', most of /root disappears except for /root/rofs
[16:57] <davmor2> xivulon: I've added a comment to bug 375476 can you just check if my thinking is correct please
[17:02] <xivulon> davmor2: commented in the bug and closed it
[17:03] <xivulon> any issue with r134?
[17:05] <davmor2> not had chance unfortunately hopefully latter or tomorrow morning first thing.
[17:06] <xivulon> cjwatson, robbiew mentioned that the swapfile session was scraped becase already agreed upon, could you quickly remind me what was decided re swapfile?
[17:07] <robbiew> xivulon: I believe the whiteboard section of the blueprint has a summary
[17:09] <robbiew> xivulon: whoops, nevermind.  Must have just been an email thread that I was recalling
[17:09] <robbiew> xivulon: kirkland should also be able to provide some background
[17:10] <xivulon> I am mostly interested in implications for hibernation and preseeding (given that wubi obviously uses a swap file)
[17:11] <cjwatson> preseeding obviously needs to work but I don't think it needs a *third* UDS session to decide on it - any implementation must arrange for partman-auto recipes to have an appropriate syntax
[17:11] <cjwatson> if that needs to be discussed, Debconf is a better forum than UDS, and I've committed to bringing this up with the other d-i developers there if I haven't already got something working before then
[17:12] <cjwatson> with regard to hibernation, Documentation/power/swsusp-and-swap-files.txt says it works at the kernel level but I would be entirely unsurprised to find out that there were bugs (kernel or initramfs or something else). The initial work required, though, is in adding swap files as a *non-default* option and there's no need to block that on hibernation support being known to work
[17:13] <cjwatson> indeed, it will be easier to have a meaningful discussion about hibernation once we have installer support for this stuff so that it's easy for people to try it out
[17:13] <cjwatson> I just don't want to spend valuable UDS time going over old ground
[17:13] <cjwatson> when the thing that's blocking swapfile support in the installer is simply lack of time to implement, not lack of time to design
[17:14] <cjwatson> I don't imagine anything would need to change in wubi for the moment; it may be that we can simplify partman-auto-loop later on based on core work
[17:14] <cjwatson> but wubi is not the primary target for the time being, I just want to add the core facility
[17:14] <xivulon> cjwatson thx
[17:15] <cjwatson> oh, I see why unionfs-fuse was behaving oddly for me
[17:15] <cjwatson> the mount -o move rips its read-only filesystem out from under it, and it doesn't have its own namespace
[17:16] <cjwatson> I'll try mount -o bind, and there might also be some trickery that's possible with namespace cloning
[17:27] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1100 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu38
[17:31] <kirkland> robbiew: hiya, what am I providing background on?
[17:32] <robbiew> kirkland: swapfile UDS session...I think cjwatson handled it
[17:32] <CIA-4> base-installer: cjwatson * r370 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.99ubuntu2
[17:32] <kirkland> robbiew: gotcha;  cjwatson: thanks ;-)
[17:34] <CIA-4> partman-crypto: cjwatson * r680 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 36ubuntu6
[17:36] <xivulon>  cjwatson in man unionfs-fuse: "Presently it is not possible to create a union for /"
[17:36] <xivulon> not sure what it refers to though, canno find a bugtracker
[17:37] <cjwatson> yeah, I saw that
[17:37] <cjwatson> I'm making a working assumption that it's not referring to the initramfs case; but if it is, I think I have some ideas
[17:38] <cjwatson> it may just mean that you can't do it directly
[17:40] <CIA-4> partman-target: cjwatson * r764 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 59ubuntu2
[17:40] <xivulon> there is also the issue with sendsigs an fuse, which we handled already
[17:41] <cjwatson> right, it would be prudent to guard unionfs-fuse from being killed by sendsigs
[17:41] <cjwatson> least of the problems though :-)
[17:49] <xivulon> cjwatson: http://groups.google.com/group/unionfs-fuse/browse_thread/thread/1d4cf2a090a60de2
[17:51] <xivulon> also contains an live-cd example
[17:53] <cjwatson> spoiling my fun
[17:53] <xivulon> http://podgorny.cz/~bernd/hg/hgwebdir.cgi/radek-trunk-bernd-merge/rev/2f608ea6557e
[17:59] <xivulon> it would be nice if the cow dir was a (resizable) cow file
[18:00] <cjwatson> I'm not sure that chroot option is needed
[18:01] <cjwatson> as long as unionfs-fuse's original filesystem namespace remains available (which it will, it's the initramfs), then it should be able to just continue operating in it


[03:06] <anpok> RAOF: oh hm kernel 3.12
[03:07] <RAOF> anpok: Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. It'd be easy enough to provide a less-efficient work-around, though. (uinput via libevdev)
[03:08] <RAOF> Or maybe, just maybe, the phone platforms we need this on will use a kernel less than two years old!
[03:10] <anpok> seems simple to backport
[03:10] <RAOF> Also true.
[03:24] <RAOF> Now with bonus Xorg crash!
[06:27] <RAOF> Heh. I love the juxtaposition of https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/simplify-connect-code/+merge/268740/comments/675948 with https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mir/fix-1476201/+merge/268693/comments/675947 :)
[06:40] <guest42315> uu mir 0.15 in wily
[06:40] <guest42315> too bad wily is broken X-(
[06:48] <RAOF> Shouldn't be (anymore)
[07:02] <duflu> RAOF: Do as I say, not as I do
[07:03] <duflu> Generally I don't mean to me contradictory. It just sounds that way if I fail to communicate adequately
[07:04] <duflu> Woo, Mir 0.15.0 is done. Unfortunately even with that large bug count subtracted the backlog remains over 300 now
[07:12] <RAOF> duflu: Yeah; writing code that's readable for other people is hard (which is one reason why we have reviews ☺)
[07:13] <duflu> RAOF: I still wish we could get more reviewers. mir-team feels statistically not quite significant and we sway with confirmation bias (and mood) a lot
[07:15] <duflu> Or even better: testers(!)
[07:18] <RAOF> Eh, testers solve a different problem
[07:18] <duflu> RAOF: They would solve one problem, of reviewers approving things that actually don't work :)
[07:19] <RAOF> Well, reduce it :)
[07:22] <duflu> An interesting observation I made years ago (and continues to be true throughout the world) is that some projects without code review actually yield higher quality. It's a matter of being able to achieve a sufficiently high throughput that your average number of fixes significantly outweighs the regressions.
[07:23] <duflu> There is risk of course, but that can be mitigated with long release cycles and branching (which Ubuntu doesn't quite accommodate)
[07:34] <duflu> Although I only remember that working when there actually was a dedicated test team. And more full-time testers of the code than developers
[08:56] <duflu> Umm, Jenkins is over-eager now: https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mir/merge-distro-changelog-0.15.0/+merge/268884
[12:50] <alan_g> alf_: you're on wily - could you check which libmirclient .so is used by glmark2-es2-mir? (I'm at the pocketdesktop sprint with only vivid to hand)
[12:50] <alf_> alan_g: sure
[12:54] <attente> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12183271/ <- does anyone know what this error means? i can't seem to launch a u8 session
[12:54] <alf_> alan_g: libmirclient.so.9
[12:56] <zzarr> Hello!
[12:56] <zzarr> are there any nVidia Mir drivers yet?
[12:56] <alan_g> alf_: that's good, thanks. (Now I just have to double check overlay)
[12:57] <guest42315> zzarr, mir runs on nouveau
[12:59] <zzarr> okey, so they are not finished yet I guess
[13:01] <anpok> zzarr: yes.. time will tell if they will settle gbm ..
[13:01] <anpok> or they might continue with their own path.. and expose something along the lines of the egl streams extension
[13:02] <alf_> attente: what versions of mir packages do you have? (e.g. dpkg -l '*mir*' | grep '^ii' )
[13:03] <zzarr> anpok, thanks
[13:55] <kdub> vogons, reviews of https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/fix-1487967/+merge/268908 ?
[13:55] <alan_g> kdub: I'm trying to track down a CI problem on mako and am seeing "<ERROR> MirBufferStream: Error processing incoming buffer error registering graphics buffer for client use" in src/platforms/android/client/gralloc_registrar.cpp. (This is running glmark - which hangs.) Is this error likely to be significant?
[13:55] <alan_g> kdub: will look
[13:55] <kdub> alan_g, sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1441553
[13:56] <kdub> which happens when overallocation occurs, there's a quick fix in there to try out (increase mf::client_buffer_cache_size)
[13:57] <kdub> basically, the client and server don't agree on how many buffers are around, which android has a hard time with
[13:57] <alan_g> kdub: would that be causing a hang? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-mediumtests-runner-mako/6354/console
[13:58] <kdub> I guess its not unfathomable that it could
[13:58] <alan_g> OK, what's a good size to try?
[13:59] <kdub> probably 4 (nbuffers + 1)
[14:17] <attente> alf_: thanks, i had two different versions installed
[14:17] <alf_> attente: np
[14:20] <alan_g> kdub: the "quick fix" seems to fix my problem locally. (I assume it isn't a good thing to add to my MP though.)
[14:22] <kdub> the bad side effect with the cache size being 4 is that we can potentially have 2 old buffers lingering on the client client side
[14:22] <kdub> and, its in progress because with nbs, the client and server agree on the buffer count
[14:25] <kdub> but, I guess the side effect is better than the symptoms
[14:25] <kdub> its not a regression, but a problem with the overallocation feature of BufferQueue... so reverting that is another solution
[14:27] <alan_g> OK, I'll add to the MP with a dirty great TODO and see if it also works in CI
[14:32] <kdub> alan_g, ack, sounds good
[14:42] <alan_g> kdub: Like this? LL90-93 https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/fix-1486496/+merge/268747
[17:23] <bschaefer> anpok, im not at the sprint :)
[17:24] <bschaefer> anpok, and yeah revoking the fds could be an issue ... as well as adding the changes in relative mouse... possibly RAOF has ideas on that?
[17:25] <anpok> bschaefer: RAOF pointed me to a ioctl in evdev to do that.. just read about it last night.. since kernel 3.12
[17:26] <anpok> so atm not available in touch kernels..
[17:26] <anpok> but it was made for us :) in an embarssing way
[17:26] <anpok> i am off for a moment
[17:26] <bschaefer> thats nice :)
[17:26] <bschaefer> anpok, are we still focusing on dbus as well?
[17:26] <bschaefer> then trying to implement the fd?
[17:26] <bschaefer> passing
[17:28] <anpok> yes usc-dbus interface .. and later a input configuration / introspection .. through mirclient
[17:28] <anpok> the chances for fd passing to happen have declined..
[17:28] <bschaefer> sweet
[17:28]  * bschaefer goes to figure out how dbus works
[17:28] <bschaefer> never actually used it for the most part :)


[00:37] <jbicha> please see bug 1815838
[00:38] <jbicha> also please look at the other ubuntukylin-meta bugs
[00:38] <jbicha> you should have someone or a team "subscribe to bug mail" for that package
[01:00] <handsome_feng> OK, I will have a look at that
[01:12] <jbicha> mate-notification-daemon is probably what you want since you're based off Ubuntu MATE, right?
[01:27] <handsome_feng> yes, but I fond that mate-notification-daemon also depends libnotify4...
[01:29] <handsome_feng> jbicha: Should I change to notification-daemon or waiting the fix of mate-notification-daemon?
[01:29] <jbicha> it's fine that it depends on libnotify4
[01:30] <jbicha> or you could wait a few hours and make sure that Ubuntu MATE's manifest looks fine for Feb 14
[01:30] <jbicha> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/daily-live/current/
[01:31] <jbicha> Ubuntu MATE hasn't been built since the new libnotify4 was published in disco
[01:31] <handsome_feng> OK, Thanks!
[01:32] <jbicha> Ubuntu MATE depends on mate-notification-daemon
[01:48] <handsome_feng> jbicha: I test the germinate-output locally, and it is fine to depends on mate-notification-daemon, I will update the seeds now


[08:24] <Peace-> Riddell: i am testing in 2 computers with fresh installation of kuubnut 14.04
[08:24] <Peace-> i had problems with dragon player and dolphin
[08:25] <Peace-> it doesn0't find h264 decoder
[08:25] <Peace-> qapt ask me to search but doesn't find anything
[08:25] <Peace-> asks*
[08:30] <Peace-> installed kubuntu-restricted-extras but nothing
[08:30] <yofel> Peace-: apachelogger is the multimedia expert usually
[08:32] <Peace-> :) apachelogger pop up!
[09:11] <Riddell> "Subject: PPA access cancelled for Private PPA for Kubuntu Ninjas" err, what?
[09:12] <jussi> Riddell: I got that also. guess they killed the ppa
[09:13] <jussi> or they just don't like kubuntu peoples
[09:15] <Riddell> jussi: no I got it for all my private PPAs
[09:16] <tsimpson> I got one for the "Ubuntu Font Family Beta PPA" too, maybe an LP issue
[09:16] <Riddell> and I can add myself back
[09:16] <Riddell> mm
[09:23] <Peace-> yofel: :) with webm it works !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQuDUoTHEo
[09:23] <Peace-> yeaa
[09:24] <apachelogger> 5https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-March/038150.html
[09:24] <apachelogger> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-March/038150.html
[09:25] <Peace-> apachelogger: :D
[09:26] <Peace-> i am really really happy that my  modifications works and it's a bug of ubuntu
[09:26] <Peace-> work*
[09:40] <Peace-> apachelogger: btw i can 't reproduce video on file open window
[09:40] <Peace-> i have installe kffmpegthumbnailer
[09:40] <Peace-> installed
[09:41] <apachelogger> fails to compute
[09:53] <Riddell> "kdevelop-python for Python 3: first stable version (1.6.0) released!" we might want to package that
[09:54] <apachelogger> why?
[09:54] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion kdev-python 1.6.0
[09:54] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1294021
[09:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: for all the python 3 developers who use kdevelop?
[09:54] <apachelogger> !info kdev-python trusty
[09:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: past feature freeze and wasn't intended to go past feature freeze
[09:55] <apachelogger> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2014-February/007950.html
[09:56] <Riddell> feature freeze shmeature freeze :)
[09:56] <Riddell> we have PPAs for that sort of thing
[09:56] <apachelogger> ppa works for me :P
[09:56] <apachelogger> anyway, note that kdev-python is already at 1.6.0
[09:56] <apachelogger> no clue what the deal with that is
[09:58] <apachelogger> did shadeslayer_ tell us about the qt sru yesterday?
[09:58] <apachelogger> I may have forgotten
[09:59] <apachelogger> over night plasma-desktop somehow managed to catch up to whoopsie-upload-all in crash count in 14.04
[09:59] <apachelogger> which actually is surprising if you consider that the plasma thing apparently happens a lot and the whoopsie thing actually was depending on very specific timing
[10:00] <apachelogger> then again, if you add up all qdeclarative crashes you'll probably have like 2.5 times the amount of crashes whoopsie had ^^
[10:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: no he didn't tell me
[10:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: qt sru piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
[10:11] <Riddell> bug 1290514 has a saucy patch on it but not precise
[10:11] <Riddell> needs test cases
[10:11] <Riddell> hmm, no jmux to ask for a test case
[10:40] <apachelogger> I have no clue what to do with bug 1291526
[10:41] <apachelogger> though TBH if ksmserver xioerrors that still sounds more like a bug in the x stack more than anything else
[10:49] <Riddell> mm, I doubt it's anything to dow ith ksmserver rather than with X clients failing generally
[11:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:20] <soee> good morning BluesKaj
[11:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning soee
[11:21] <Riddell> vHanda: on starting kontact I get "KNotes uses a new storage technology that requires migration of your current KNotes data and configuration"  is that baloo?
[11:21] <Riddell> or maybe it's just akonadi
[11:45] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:09] <sgclark> Riddell: the files are in my ubuntu one
[12:19] <vHanda> Riddell: don't know. You'll have to ask Laurent
[12:22] <Riddell> vHanda: just been testing baloo and upgrades from 4.12, all works well except filename search in dolphin, do you know of any problems in that area?
[12:23] <vHanda> yes, you'll have to try again with beta 3
[12:24] <Riddell> vHanda: ah, known problem? do you have a bug number?
[12:24] <vHanda> Just this - https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/116837/
[12:25] <Riddell> vHanda: lovely thanks
[12:35] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1291899 updated
[12:37] <soee> someone might take a look http://paste.ubuntu.com/7113846/ ?
[12:41] <Riddell> soee: pastebin `apt-cache policy kalarm` ?
[12:47] <soee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7113891/
[12:49] <Riddell> soee: you might need my new access details to kubuntu-ninjas, it changed today
[12:49] <Riddell> msg'ed
[12:50] <soee> ah, so the old one might be removed
[12:50] <Riddell> yes
[12:51] <soee> Riddell: worked, thank you
[12:51] <BluesKaj> yup, W: Failed to fetch https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages  HttpError401
[12:52] <BluesKaj> dump the ninjas ppa?
[12:53] <apachelogger> mhhhh, we are supposed to do a bug hunt
[12:53] <apachelogger> oh my
[12:53] <soee> for me it doest helpe BluesKaj (to install kalarm) i had to use the new one from Riddell
[12:53] <jarkko> i got today updates, but it also wants to install some kernel files (kernel that i dont use). and later it wants to remove those files sudo apt-get autoremove...this has happened so many times already...why it wants to instlal those kernel files?
[12:54] <soee> jarkko: becuse they are new :)
[12:54] <jarkko> ?
[12:55] <apachelogger> new is always better
[12:55] <soee> jarkko: i think it wants to install new kernel version and informs you that previous one might be removed
[12:55] <jarkko> no
[12:55] <jarkko> i have 3.13.6
[12:55] <jarkko> and this is 3.8 series
[12:56]  * BluesKaj comments the ninja ppa
[12:56] <jarkko> it's not updating the kernel itself
[12:57] <apachelogger> we don't have 3.8 kernels in trusty, neither do we have 3.13.6 kernels in trusty, so it's probably ppa stuff
[12:57] <jarkko> actually i might have saidd it wrong...it seems the kernel is 3.13-0-18 or something like that
[12:57] <jarkko> i have manually installed 3.13.6
[12:57] <apachelogger> that makes more sense
[12:58] <apachelogger> jarkko: remove linux-image-generic I think
[12:58] <apachelogger> (also using foreign kernels is le dangerous)
[12:58] <jarkko> foreign?
[12:58] <jarkko> i use ubuntu ppa
[12:59] <jarkko> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[12:59] <jarkko>   linux-headers-3.13.0-17 linux-headers-3.13.0-17-generic
[12:59] <sgclark> Riddell: I am also getting Http404 error ninja ppa
[12:59] <jarkko> so i quess the installed version was <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:00] <jarkko> http://pastebin.com/BHLakxHb
[13:00] <BluesKaj> jarkko, yeah 3.13.0-18-generic
[13:01] <jarkko> there is no 3.13.0-18 entry
[13:01] <jarkko> so why it wants to install 3.13.0-8 files? if i have newer kernel already available?
[13:03] <apachelogger> because it's not an official kernel and you did not remove the packages that pull in an official kernel
[13:03] <apachelogger> also support in #kubuntu or #ubuntu please
[13:04] <BluesKaj> so is that particular ninja ppa that I posted above no longer valid or what ?
[13:05] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: ask Riddell nicely to give you a new url
[13:06]  * BluesKaj asks Riddell politely for the new ninja ppa/url
[13:07]  * sgclark also asks Riddell politely for a new ninja ppa/url
[13:08] <apachelogger> agateau_: button resizing in OEM mode working as expected \o/ https://trello.com/c/0ls4KLRB
[13:13] <Quintasan> >Launchpad: cancellation of archive access
[13:13] <Quintasan> What did just happen here
[13:16] <agateau_> apachelogger: yay \o/
[13:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ur being kicked out for being lazy
[13:19] <Quintasan> I see.
[13:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: launchpad is broken or something
[13:19] <Riddell> sgclark: "Patch boostfix.diff can be reverse-applied" it somehow got applied without quilt knowing about it
[13:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: all private ppas were cancelled somehow
[13:19] <Quintasan> Uh I see.
[13:19] <Riddell> sgclark: run `patch -p1 -R < debian/patches/boostfix.diff`
[13:20] <Riddell> sgclark: then you can quilt push  successfully
[13:20] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, membership anyway, so you just need to request a new key
[13:20] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thank you
[13:20] <Riddell> sgclark: "--with dkms"  you don't need that, that's for linux kernel moduels
[13:20] <sgclark> ok
[13:20] <Quintasan> apachelogger: The repo is back up?
[13:21] <Riddell> sgclark: and in debian/rules you have dh_install twice, you can remove the one without --list-missing as the second one will do the same thing
[13:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan: the repo never was gone, your private ppa access keyes were canceled
[13:24] <Riddell> Quintasan: I can add you back
[13:25] <Quintasan> Riddell: I did add myself back in the Manage access page but no new keys
[13:25] <Riddell> oh you're back in already, clever you
[13:26] <Quintasan> well, lunchpad just gave me keys
[13:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: see https://launchpad.net/~jr/+archivesubscriptions
[13:26] <Quintasan> That reminds me - it's way past lunch and I had nothing
[13:26] <Riddell> with your username
[13:26] <Quintasan> Yup, it's up
[13:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: I made some fresh hummous yesterday, you should try that
[13:26] <Quintasan> Thanks Riddell
[13:26] <Quintasan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummus ?
[13:27] <Riddell> that's the stuff, freshly made it's lovely
[13:27] <Quintasan> You eat alone or you put some stuff into it?
[13:28] <Quintasan> Or put that over some other food?
[13:28] <Quintasan> aa
[13:28] <Quintasan> It's a dip
[13:28] <Quintasan> Gotta try it.
[13:29] <Quintasan> Though it's probably fastfood today since I'm at uni till late
[13:29] <Riddell> nice on toast with some pesto and almonds
[13:29] <apachelogger> did I mention, the trello says that beta3 tagging is tomorrow :O
[13:29] <apachelogger> it appears we are a bit behind the kde
[13:33] <apachelogger> btw, maybe it's vbox but ever so often ubiquity fails to detect intartubes access
[13:33] <apachelogger> I am not quite sure what to make of it
[13:38] <Riddell> I've never seen hat
[13:38] <Riddell> I've never seen that
[13:38] <sgclark> Riddell: patch -p1 -R < debian/patches/boostfix.diff did nothing, still errors :( this makes no sense
[13:39] <Riddell> sgclark: even if you download the files from your ubuntu one share?
[13:39] <sgclark> Riddell: ahh was working with mine, will grab those
[13:47] <Peace-> yesterday i had a crash of installer
[13:47] <Peace-> xD
[13:47] <Peace-> daily build
[13:49] <sgclark> Riddell: yes still same error with those files. I wonder if I am somehow broken
[14:12] <sgclark> Riddell: I figured it out
[14:19] <apachelogger> now libreoffice-math is cluttering the menu
[14:19] <apachelogger> in the name of darth vader, what is it with people making shitty desktop files
[14:19]  * apachelogger silently cries in corner
[14:21] <BluesKaj> I doesn't know why I keep libreoffice, never use it
[14:21] <BluesKaj> don't
[14:36] <sgclark> Riddell: should I be building this with qt4 or qt5?
[14:36] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm, good question
[14:37] <Riddell> sgclark: it's for plasma media centre which is qt4 so I guess start with qt 4
[14:37] <sgclark> ok
[14:37] <Riddell> sgclark: but for bonus points you could make a separate qt5 package :)
[14:37] <sgclark> Riddell: will do :)
[14:50] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: my computer is broken
[14:50] <shadeslayer_> trying to get it fixed
[14:50] <apachelogger> oh my
[14:50] <apachelogger> stop spilling coffee over the hardware :P
[14:51]  * apachelogger proudly points out that he hasn't had a coffee incident in over 3 years xD
[15:09] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: nah, gpu is broken
[15:10] <shadeslayer_> laptop heats just a little bit and screen goes bonkers
[15:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: do you have a precise patch for bug 1290514 or need me to do it?
[15:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: do you have a test case for that accessibility problem?
[15:12] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: my bug is well documented, jmux's isn't
[15:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: mh, intel onboard graphics ftw
[15:19]  * apachelogger points out that the accesibility problem has slightly higher priority
[15:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: where are we on that?
[15:22] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: waiting for paperwork on LO4 bug
[15:22] <shadeslayer_> also
[15:23] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: i thought i uploaded precise
[15:23] <shadeslayer_> if not, please go ahead and do that
[15:23] <shadeslayer_> since i need to setup the spare machine
[15:25] <apachelogger> I feel they should be handled seperately
[15:25] <apachelogger> if verifiction of one patch causes failure the other will be blocked as well
[15:26] <sgclark> Riddell: qxorm is ready for you in my ubuntu one
[15:40] <apachelogger> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/a71c92cf2e3940f3b2a897671c4255315e72e690
[15:40] <apachelogger> I do wonder what the problem is
[15:41] <apachelogger> are we using apt-pkg incorectly, or is the deb broken, or is apt-pkg bugged
[15:42] <Riddell> surely manchicken will know all
[15:43] <apachelogger> I don't think he's looked at that particular part of madness yet ^^
[15:43] <apachelogger> it's pretty isolated from the rest of the lib
[15:45] <apachelogger> ohm
[15:45]  * apachelogger can't find the function in question in apt
[15:46] <apachelogger> I am just really very bad at grepping
[15:49] <apachelogger> apt has really terrible code
[15:51] <apachelogger> right
[15:51] <apachelogger> apt problem, sort of
[15:51] <apachelogger> it expects the path to have a file extension and then tries to fetch a substring of that
[15:52] <apachelogger> if the path doesn't have one that causes an out of range exception because the extension length may be 0 for example
[15:55] <mamarley> I am getting an HTTP 401 for the Kubuntu Ninjas PPA.
[15:58] <Riddell> mamarley: you'll need a new password
[15:58] <Riddell> mamarley: for which you'll need to promis to fill in the testing form
[15:59]  * mamarley promises.
[15:59] <manchicken> What will I know?
[16:09] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7114834/
[16:10] <Riddell> sgclark: lintian's not wrong there but since you have good reason to change it it's fine to override
[16:10] <sgclark> ok
[16:14]  * manchicken can't open that errors document…
[16:16] <apachelogger> manchicken: fixed :P
[16:16] <manchicken> Yay.
[16:16] <apachelogger> manchicken: for the errors you need to sign an agreement saying that you won't do evil things with the data
[16:16] <manchicken> No promises.
[16:16] <apachelogger> seeing as the data is automagically transmitted without user tempering that seems fair ;)
[16:17] <apachelogger> manchicken: are the fixes in master good for release?
[16:17] <manchicken> As far as I know.
[16:17] <apachelogger> if so I am batch exporting everything to the package to safe us from having to roll a tarball ^^
[16:17] <manchicken> They don't fix the LANG settings bug, but the duplicate sources bug has been fixed.
[16:18] <apachelogger> it's a start :)
[16:19] <manchicken> Indeed.
[16:19] <manchicken> And from what I understand, that bug you submitted was an existing bug.
[16:20] <apachelogger> the debfile thing, yeah
[16:20] <apachelogger> or maybe not, it's really a bug in apt-pkg if you ask me
[16:21] <apachelogger> libraries should not ever throw exceptions, but I reckon most of the world outside qt will disagree with me on that
[16:22] <apachelogger>   Uploading libqapt_2.1.70-0ubuntu2_source.changes: done.
[16:22] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[16:22] <apachelogger> ^ batch export of master changes
[16:25] <apachelogger> that makes qapt-deb-installer pretty much crash free it seems
[16:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: you haven't landed the a11y fix in trusty yet?
[16:26] <sgclark> Riddell: did you grab the qt4 version already? the qt5 still has the same filenames
[16:27] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: i did
[16:27]  * apachelogger wonders why the crash is not marked deprecated
[16:27] <Riddell> sgclark: not yet I'm afraid
[16:28] <sgclark> Riddell: ping me when you are ready for qt5 :)
[16:28] <apachelogger> ah
[16:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: nevermind, error tracks the crashes against plasma-desktop so until its version changes it won't be able to detect the fixery
[16:29] <apachelogger> on a related note
[16:30] <apachelogger> yofel: 4:4.11.6+git20140308+bzr48768+pkg866~ubuntu14.04.1
[16:30] <apachelogger> yofel: didn't you deactivate/delete the daily builds?
[16:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: seems ubuntu4 indeed has stopped all the qdeclarativeitem crashes \o/
[16:32] <apachelogger> don't see any submissions with that version anyway
[16:33] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer_: I propose the council sends a free shirt to the dude who came up with the fix
[16:34] <shadeslayer_> +1 from my side
[16:40] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1283820] content of windows (and desktop) appear black when using kwin, but not with kwin_gles - in... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1283820 (by avlas)
[18:59] <ahoneybun_> Riddell, apachelogger can you throw me a list of packages I need for full support for any lang? ex. like for just the danish lang? I wish to test the User Docs in 14.04
[19:19] <apachelogger> ahoneybun_: systemsettings -> regional stuff -> change language to whatever -> will install everything -> logout -> login -> everything should be in that language
[19:19] <ahoneybun_> apachelogger, thanks
[19:19] <ahoneybun_> going to test now
[19:23] <ahoneybun_> does not install it
[19:23] <ahoneybun_> doing it though konsole
[19:29] <ahoneybun_> apachelogger, the current problem is that khelpcenter is looking in the wrong directory for the lang file for the user docs
[20:01] <yofel> apachelogger: I thought I did, obviously I didn't completely :S
[20:01] <yofel> I'll get rid of them tomorrow
[20:07] <kdeuser56> how are tags in kmail handled now? are they using xattr for pop3 mail?
[20:14]  * yofel added himself back to ninjas
[20:14] <yofel> come to think of it... "You can grant access to people or teams to install software from your PPA."
[20:15] <yofel> Riddell: couldn't we just add people there instead of sharing our keys?
[20:17] <kdeuser56> yofel: are you on 4.13?
[20:17] <yofel> yes
[20:17] <yofel> .90 that is
[20:18] <kdeuser56> yofel: can you reproduce the following: give two folders the same tag and then click the tag in one of theme in the right side panel... this does not query anything ...
[20:18] <kdeuser56> *them
[20:18] <kdeuser56> yofel: If I remember correctly clicking the tag would query all folders/file of the same tag ...
[20:20] <yofel> now you ask me something as I've never actually really used nepomuk for anything bug email indexing. I'll check in a bit though
[20:20] <yofel> *but
[20:22] <kdeuser56> yofel: Finally I will make use of all the tag/comment stuff, as I the xattr solution is more reliable...
[20:22] <kdeuser56> so I wont loose all my metadata again with an upgrade
[20:23] <yofel> if you enable it sure, we won't be testing though as xattr is disabled distribution wide by default (IIRC)
[20:23] <yofel> *testing it
[20:24] <kdeuser56> yofel: how can that be? xattr works here, although I never specifically enabled them ...
[20:24] <kdeuser56> yofel: using btrfs though ...
[20:25] <yofel> I might be wrong then, not sure. I'll have to verify what's ext4 set to
[20:30] <kdeuser56> yofel: so you changed the login process for the private ppa?
[20:30] <yofel> ok nvm, xattr seems to work fine with ext4
[20:30] <yofel> I stand corrected
[20:31] <kdeuser56> yofel: I cannot access the ninjas ppa anymore
[20:31] <yofel> kdeuser56: well, launchpad admins did a private ppa membership cleanup and caused some collateral damage
[20:31] <kdeuser56> yofel: ah okay
[20:31] <kdeuser56> yofel: in a bad situation ... I was just about to install some missing debug package for some akonadi crashes :-(
[20:32] <yofel> I can give you a new key as I'm looking up my new one anyway right now
[20:32] <kdeuser56> yofel: would be coold :-)
[20:32] <kdeuser56> yofel: can you reproduce the quering problem?
[20:33] <kdeuser56> yofel: another thing i noticed: the advanced file search in dolphin is broken for ratings ..., no matter which rating I select, all files are shown
[20:37] <kdeuser56> does anyone here know how to handle apt-get correctly from shellscripts? The process seems to return quite often, e.g. after finishing download, after finishing extracting etc. so if I list some apt-get commands after each other, only half of them get executed ...
[20:38] <kdeuser56> this makes my life really hard, as I run automated scripts that should install me debug packages, that a parse through a for loop, but in the end there are many missing ones ... recking shows the got parsed though ...
[20:39] <maco> kdeuser56: do you know you can install many packages on one line?
[20:39] <kdeuser56> maco: of course, but this is no option when using a for loop ...
[20:39] <kdeuser56> maco: and that has one big disadvantage: if one package is not installable, the whole process fails ...
[20:40] <maco> i dont think ive ever used apt-get in a for-loop, but i guess what i'd do instead is use the for loop to build a list, then pass that to apt-get
[20:40] <kdeuser56> maco, as I said, has the disadvantage of failing if one package is not installable
[20:41] <maco> oh right it doesnt skip
[20:41] <maco> dpkg --set-selections does skip though
[20:41] <yofel> kdeuser56: apt-get shouldn't really return anything until a package is installed
[20:41] <yofel> if anything it asks you a lot of questions
[20:41] <maco> (im trying to think of how i've replicated package lists across rebaselines)
[20:42] <kdeuser56> yofel: but somehow it does not work, it always leaves out packages that are for sure specifiedi in the commands and are installable ...
[20:43] <kdeuser56> yofel: and if I am not mistaken apt returns something after finishing downloading packages ... that might be the reason ...
[20:44] <kdeuser56> is the only rational argument that would explain the siutation: apt-get finished downloading, while the script already passes the next command, but apt-get is not ready yet, so it fails, while the other process finishes
[20:45] <yofel> you can never run apt-get in parallel, but it shouldn't wait after downloading
[20:45] <yofel> unless something failed to download
[20:46] <kdeuser56> yofel: i know i cannot run it in parallel, but the script could already pass another command, although apt-get is still locked ...
[20:46] <kdeuser56> the passed command would simply fail ...
[20:51] <kdeuser56> yofel: In theory I should be able to remove nepomuk-core-runtime right?
[20:51] <yofel> not really, at least not right now
[20:51] <yofel> Riddell: did we have a consens on completely removing nepomuk?
[20:52] <kdeuser56> yofel: it does not work, E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[20:53] <kdeuser56> yofel, has to do with kde-runtime
[20:54] <kdeuser56> yofel: could nepomuk-core-runtime  and nepomuk-core-data become optional dependencies of kde-runtime ?
[20:55] <kdeuser56> yofel: and making a hard dependency on nepomuk only for applications not ported to baloo yet, like digikam?
[20:56] <yofel> kde-runtime has the KCM, so either we remove it completely or not at all
[20:59] <kdeuser56> yofel: ah damn, right :-(
[21:12] <shadeslayer_> yay -.-
[21:12] <shadeslayer_> apparently my issue is well documented
[21:12] <shadeslayer_> so its not a single instance of the logic board being faulty
[21:13] <shadeslayer_> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4766577?start=0&tstart=0
[21:24] <shadeslayer_> yofel: can you do me a favor?
[21:24] <shadeslayer_> yofel: plz update kdeconnect
[22:15] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: see /usr/share/language-selector/data/pkg_depends search for :da:
[22:15] <Riddell> yofel: no consensus against removing it, why would we keep it?  PMC is the only thing left using it and I doubt it's worth the resources for something that isn't installed by default
[22:17] <yofel> ok, I'll remove it from kde-runtime then, that never got done
[22:17] <yofel> do you know what else needs removing? Does it have to be running for the migrator?
[22:18] <Riddell> no it doesn't, and the migrator switches it off in the config
[22:21] <yofel> ack
[22:38] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1290514] LibreOffice KDE4 backend crashes in Qt4 recursive paint events @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1290514 (by Jan-Marek Glogowski)
[23:42] <Riddell> ScottK: ping, don't forget bug 1291899
[23:43] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1289600] Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289600 (by Alexey Borzenkov)


[12:07] <jnaleg> hey
[12:07] <jnaleg> Will Ubuntu 21.10 support Wayland for NVIDIA video card users?
[12:13] <jnaleg> How can I remove nouveau from Tumbleweed so that I can install the proprietary NVIDIA drivers?


[11:27] <davef> Would you guys pls stop. Day 3 of this heat, I want my miserable weather, rain and wind.
[11:29] <zxmpi_> ireland having hottest august on record. will head to garden for heat of the afternoon
[16:08]  * penguin42 digs out a chunk of frozen peaches from the freezer
[16:48]  * zxmpi_ lookS at frozen wagon wheels in my freezer...
[16:55] <penguin42> damn, that's a good idea
[16:58] <penguin42> hmm, would jaffa cakes work?
[17:02] <zxmpi_> i will sacrifice a pack and test your inspirational theory tomorrow :-)
[17:03] <daftykins> :D
[17:04] <daftykins> discount Ben and Jerry obtained!


[06:22] <nuvolari> mornings
[06:22]  * nuvolari tips hat
[06:23] <superfly> heya nuvolari
[07:24]  * nlsthzn waves
[07:29] <inetpro> good morning
[10:17]  * nuvolari freaks out
[10:17] <nuvolari> too little time
[10:18] <nlsthzn-work> nuvolari: Time for?
[10:19] <nuvolari> nlsthzn-work: all the tasks at work
[10:20] <nlsthzn-work> nuvolari: Tomorrow is another day
[10:23] <nuvolari> nlsthzn-work: I know that, but it's not me that's the problem :P
[10:27] <nlsthzn-work> nuvolari: Ah... ok :)
[10:34] <Kilos> morning superfly and everyone else
[10:34] <superfly> hi Kilos
[10:34] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn-work  see we got quite a few peps again
[10:41] <nlsthzn-work> Kilos: Peps?
[10:42] <Kilos> lol
[10:42] <Kilos> sorry nlsthzn-work  people
[10:42] <Kilos> peeps
[10:42] <Kilos> keyboard sticky
[10:43] <nlsthzn-work> it has been very quiet in IRC land so far
[10:43] <Kilos> yeah but at least they are here. favourite passtime is lurking
[10:44] <Kilos> pastime
[11:32] <nlsthzn-work> Just ordered: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1598639676/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d0_i3?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1XWWJ86PA2PTVNFRBS89&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846
[11:50] <magellanic> cool.
[12:01] <nlsthzn-work> Got to start understanding this Linux thing eventually :p
[12:03] <magellanic> ;)
[13:48] <Kilos> superfly, gracias amigo.  I'm not sure what you're talking about exactly (my brain is still not 100% functional)
[13:51] <Kilos> 11.04 sir
[13:51] <Kilos> the natty narwahl goodie
[13:54] <superfly> Kilos: ah, did they arrive?
[13:54] <Kilos> yes ty . i got them now
[13:54] <superfly> yay!
[13:54] <Kilos> yooohoooo
[13:54] <superfly> did the post office actually look after them?
[13:54]  * Kilos quivers with anticipation
[13:55] <Kilos> well maverick sees the kubuntu one
[13:55] <nlsthzn-work> Kilos: Natty was a good experience for me... just got to get used to doing things a new way
[13:55] <Kilos> have booted and checked cd yet\
[13:56] <Kilos> nlsthzn-work, i will give all three a go
[13:56]  * nlsthzn-work will not change again, kubuntu 11.04 for a few months at least now... I hope :p
[13:56] <Kilos> will try ubuntu first then kubuntu then xubuntu\
[13:57] <Kilos> lol thats the prob with ubuntu. i just start winning with one then the new one is already out
[13:58] <Kilos> but what an experience every time
[13:58] <Kilos> just keep getting better and better
[13:58] <Kilos> long long way from 8.04 the first one i tried
[13:59] <nlsthzn-work> Yup... but natty is a big leap with unity... the fallback is same old same old though :)
[13:59] <Kilos> without ubuntu-za i would stay on maverick, its working so well
[14:02] <nlsthzn-work> Kilos: to be honest... if there is no real reason to install natty I wouldn't (ok, I would, but that s
[14:02] <nlsthzn-work> isn't what I would recomend
[14:02] <Kilos> lol
[14:03] <nlsthzn-work> :p
[14:03] <Kilos> thats why i wanna try on sons pc and then on a spare drive first
[14:04] <nlsthzn-work> cool, hope it is awesome :D
[14:04] <Kilos> and i have learned how to use rsync some so save all archives on external and dont need to do all the downloads everytime
[14:04] <Kilos> ty
[14:05] <Kilos> so far the hardest work was with karmic
[14:05] <Kilos> 8.04 i didnt even work out the nm
[14:05] <Kilos> hehe
[14:05] <nlsthzn-work> :)
[14:07] <magellanic> hoi hoi
[14:14] <Kilos> hiya magellanic
[14:14] <magellanic> good self?
[14:14] <Kilos> good ty
[15:04] <Symmetria> *SIGH*
[15:04] <Symmetria> neotel is in complete meltdown mode
[15:11] <magellanic> how?
[15:30] <Symmetria> heh their stuff keeps breaking
[15:30] <Symmetria> and you cant get holda anyone to fix it
[15:44] <nlsthzn-work> finally my working day draws to a close... weeeeee!!! ~cheers till later then, kthxbai
[15:44] <kbmonkey> same here, almost food time! he he
[17:45] <magellanic> Symmetria: oh :p, I'm on their wireless data connection, working fine :p
[18:26] <nuvolari> hmm, anyone close to Lepalale?
[18:31] <magellanic> where's that?
[18:32] <superfly> Maaz: google lealele
[18:32] <Maaz> superfly: "YouTube - Leonor Leal - eLe eLe - Festival de Jerez 2011" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie7fXprOV28 :: "YouTube - Sophie at Leal Ele. 3rd Grade "Charlotte's Web Musical Play"" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNTMqLSuUo :: "YouTube - sophie at Leal Ele. 2008 winter program 學校表演" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnC3BuFXSSw :: "XV Festival de Jerez 2011. Rubén Olmo 'Tranquilo alboroto ..." http://www.deflamenco.com/revista/
[18:32] <superfly> Maaz: google lepalele
[18:32] <Maaz> superfly: "Directions from Johannesburg (S.A) to Deception Valley Lodge" http://www.kalaharimanor.co.za/pdf/DirectionsfromSA.pdf :: "X-Plane Italia • Leggi argomento - Incidente Elicottero" http://www.x-plane.it/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11798 :: "VF-54 - Press Accident Report © by: Damiano GUALDONI" http://www.dgualdo.it/regs0/vf54-report.htm :: "ilVolo.it -- Community • Atterraggio di emergenza sulla neve per l ..." http://webcommunity.ilv
[18:33] <magellanic> superfly: ;)
[18:40] <nuvolari> magellanic: whatever Maaz said
[18:40] <nuvolari> :P
[18:42] <magellanic> oh. nowhere near
[19:13] <kbmonkey> evening all
[19:14] <magellanic> greets
[19:18] <superfly> hi kbmonkey
[19:22] <kbmonkey> hi superfly
[19:23] <kbmonkey> about to install 11.04 as my secondary OS
[19:25]  * superfly upgraded his work machine to 11.04 this morning... bombed it half way through, and continued the upgrade using a live CD
[19:25] <superfly> and I've been running 11.04 at home since beta 2
[20:29] <Owkkuri> superfly: i was brave and upgraded work pc on the day
[20:29] <superfly> Owkkuri: well, I wasn't at work on the day, or I probably would have
[20:30] <Owkkuri> :P
[20:31] <Owkkuri> I'm the only one still on 32bit
[20:31] <Owkkuri> crappy work pc
[20:31] <superfly> work PC is 32 as well
[20:31] <superfly> home PC is triple-core AMD 64 bit
[20:34] <Owkkuri> core 2 quad here
[20:34] <Owkkuri> :P
[20:37] <nuvolari> naand oom Kilos
[20:37] <Kilos> naand nuvolari
[20:37] <Kilos> brb
[20:39] <nuvolari> "Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU       M 620  @ 2.67GHz"
[20:39] <nuvolari> only wish it was mine to keep :'(
[20:40] <Kilos> wow thats lekker
[20:40] <Kilos> put under arm and run
[20:40] <nuvolari> Kilos: hehe, if it was that easy :P
[20:41] <Squirm> good evening
[20:41] <Kilos> lol
[20:41] <Kilos> lo Squirm
[20:41] <Kilos> busy trying to install natty on ians pc alongside winsucks\
[20:41] <Kilos> sigh
[20:42] <nuvolari> but I have to say, I worked on a really low-end-piece-of-doorstop-trash-before-noah's-time machine
[20:42] <nuvolari> Kilos: making any progress?
[20:42] <Kilos> just started nuvolari
[20:42] <nuvolari> although that sigh says it all
[20:42] <nuvolari> :P
[20:42] <Kilos> i sigh when i have to look at any ms stuff
[20:43] <Squirm> and the fact that MS bought out Skype annoys me :/
[20:43] <Squirm> since it was sold the 1st time, the API has become privitised :/
[20:43] <Squirm> privatised*
[20:43] <Squirm> so now with MS....
[20:43]  * Squirm shivers
[20:46] <nuvolari> Squirm: there's other options
[20:46] <nuvolari> now is the time to get your friends to use a decent service :P
[20:46] <nuvolari> At least I got my sis today to use googletalk
[20:47] <nuvolari> I was at work so we did not try out the google voice chat
[20:47] <Squirm> I use gtalk
[20:47] <Squirm> oh yeah, I heard google moved servers today
[20:47] <Squirm> well, they completed the transfer
[20:47] <Squirm> google apps or something
[20:48] <Kerbero> hmm
[20:48] <Kerbero> dit beteken my email het vir 'n paar oomblikke nie gewerk nie
[20:49] <nuvolari> wanneer was dit?
[20:49] <nuvolari> I did not notice anything :?
[20:49] <Kerbero> me neither
[20:50] <Squirm> theyve been emailing me over the past week
[20:50] <nuvolari> :? or you get spam
[20:50] <nuvolari> :P
[20:50] <Squirm> We recently transitioned your organization to the new infrastructure for Google Apps accounts, a change that makes over 60 additional Google applications like Google Places, Google Reader, Picasa Web Albums and AdWords accessible with Google Apps accounts.
[20:51] <Squirm> it was google
[20:51] <nuvolari> :( why don't I get any mail
[20:51] <nuvolari> what makes *you* special?
[20:51] <nuvolari> eh?
[20:51] <Squirm> are you a google apps admin?
[20:51]  * nuvolari freaks
[20:51] <nuvolari> :P
[20:51] <nuvolari> oh.
[20:51] <Kilos> Squirm, thius from lists. alternative to skype
[20:51] <nuvolari> no
[20:51] <Kilos> http://www.jitsi.org
[20:52] <Squirm> nuvolari: it's pretty much using google services with your own domain name
[20:52] <Squirm> so say I woned squirm.co.za
[20:52] <Squirm> owned*
[20:52] <Squirm> my gtalk address could be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:53] <Kerbero> i am the admin for my domain and i also did not get an email
[20:53] <Squirm> and email address, etc
[20:53] <Squirm> Kerbero: for the google apps?
[20:53] <Kerbero> jip
[20:53] <Kerbero> maybe they only moved one of the servers
[20:53] <Kerbero> the one you are on
[20:53]  * nuvolari browse his spam folder
[20:53] <Squirm> maybe
[20:53] <Squirm> cause it's definately google
[20:54] <Kerbero> hmm
[20:54] <Kerbero> now i'm not sure if my admin account forwards to my normal inbox
[20:54] <Squirm> all the links point TO googles websites, not a web address similar
[20:54] <Squirm> like
[20:54] <Kerbero> guess thats mhy
[20:54] <Squirm> https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/squirm.co.za
[20:54] <Squirm> thats one of the links
[20:54] <Squirm> which is the valid link to my apps login
[20:55] <kbmonkey> hello
[20:55] <Kerbero> Kilos: die probleem wat ek met programme soos daai het is dat daar nie servers is waardeur mens kan kommunikeer nie
[20:55] <Kilos> oh
[20:55] <Kilos> o
[20:55] <Kerbero> want as ten minste een van die twee mense nie 'n public ip met incoming connections het nie gaan dit breek
[20:55] <Kerbero> skype maak voorsiening daarvoor
[20:56] <Kerbero> as twee mense op 3G dus mekaar probeer bel gaan dit nie werk nie
[20:56] <Squirm> 0o
[20:56] <Kerbero> as een van hulle op 'n adsl lyn sit sal dit werk
[20:56] <Squirm> well, it was good while it lasted
[20:56] <Squirm> I'll get people to use something like gtalk
[20:56] <Kerbero> gtalk is my tweede opsie ook ja
[20:57] <Kerbero> ek is besig om alles google toe te port
[20:57] <Kerbero> email, contacts, calendar
[20:57] <Kerbero> my foon sync nou heel mooi daarmee ook
[20:58] <Squirm> so does mine
[20:58] <Kilos> maar jy kan anyway webcams in pidgin ook gebruik  en empathy
[20:58] <Kerbero> het jy 'n android?
[20:58] <Squirm> its really good :)
[20:58] <Squirm> ek het a BlackBerry
[20:58] <Kerbero> o
[20:58] <Kerbero> nice
[20:58] <Kerbero> die probleem is ek het 'n N900
[20:59] <Squirm> ah, its a cheap one, but its good
[20:59] <Kerbero> so dit intergrate nie so mooi nie
[20:59] <Kerbero> moes 'n paar hacks pull
[20:59] <Squirm> Kerbero: maar julle kan kry programme
[20:59] <Squirm> en my afrikaans is terrible :P
[20:59] <Kerbero> praat engels
[20:59] <superfly> Kerbero: what apps did you use to get the syncing working? I also have an N900
[20:59] <Kerbero> the built in mail for ekchange
[20:59] <Squirm> I can understand most afrikaans
[21:00] <Kerbero> maar ek moes my calendar en contacts eers backup en manually google toe vat
[21:00] <Kerbero> toe alles op die foor wipe
[21:00] <Squirm> I used something on my dads e65 which worked
[21:00] <Kerbero> en toe het die syncing vanaf google eers gewerk
[21:00] <Squirm> and calendar never backed up, I think it was only contacts, otherwise you had to pay
[21:01] <Kerbero> ek wou so min as moontlik verander aan die default foon OS
[21:01] <Kerbero> want ek het laas nag geformat oor mail for exchange heeltemal gebreek was
[21:02] <Kerbero> en nou is die foon ook weer lekker vinnig
[21:02] <Squirm> my BlackBerry did it for me, I registered it with my gmail account, and it restored all my gmail contacts to my phone, now it syncs them, daily I think
[21:03] <Kerbero> dit lyk of jitse.org gtalk support
[21:03] <Kerbero> wonder of dit voip ook is
[21:03] <Kerbero> of net im
[21:03] <Kilos> eish kernel panic on ians pc
[21:06] <superfly> Kerbero: it's a SIP client, with a IM support
[21:06] <Kerbero> ok
[21:06] <Kerbero> :(
[21:06] <superfly> Kilos: what do the last few lines say?
[21:06] <Kerbero> at least our phones support skype and gtalk properly
[21:07] <Kilos> aw they gone already we trying again
[21:09]  * Squirm updates his Ubuntu ISO
[21:10] <Squirm> is it apt-get update
[21:10] <Kilos> now its loading a bit further so far
[21:10] <Squirm> or apt-get upgrade
[21:10] <Kerbero> first update
[21:10] <Kerbero> then upgrade
[21:10] <Squirm> thanks
[21:10] <Squirm> yeah, updating the ISO before I load it
[21:10] <Kerbero> uhm
[21:10] <Squirm> and adding a few programs
[21:10] <Kerbero> iso on flashdrive?
[21:11] <Squirm> yep
[21:11] <Kerbero> ok
[21:11] <Squirm> will probably end up too big for the cd
[21:11] <Squirm> so will have to be
[21:11] <Kerbero> uhm
[21:11] <Kerbero> you sure it works that way?
[21:11] <Squirm> yep
[21:11] <Squirm> look
[21:11] <Squirm> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[21:12] <Squirm> I did it with 10.10
[21:12] <Kerbero> ahh
[21:12] <Squirm> so im just pretty much updating it, so I dont have to run the update each time
[21:12] <Squirm> well, twice
[21:13] <Squirm> and I dont like empathy
[21:13] <Squirm> PURGE
[21:13] <Kerbero> haha
[21:13] <Squirm> and I also dont like the face aptitude insnt preinstalled
[21:13] <nuvolari> empathy is really nice once you get used to it
[21:14] <Squirm> it doesnt work with mxit
[21:14] <Kerbero> i like my pidgin
[21:14] <Kerbero> i have three IM clients: xchat, pidgin, skype
[21:14] <Kerbero> used konversation for irc before
[21:14] <Kerbero> but changed to xchat now
[21:14] <nuvolari> ye, hope I can do away with skype
[21:14] <Squirm> I use xchat pidgin and skype
[21:14] <Squirm> well
[21:15] <Squirm> irssi pidgin and skype now
[21:15] <nuvolari> weechat, empathy, skype
[21:15] <Kilos> oidgin rocks
[21:15] <Kilos> pidgin too\
[21:15] <Squirm> I dont know why I kinda like irsis
[21:15] <nuvolari> Kilos: is that a pig crossed with a pidgin? :P
[21:15] <Squirm> irssi
[21:15] <nuvolari> an oidgin
[21:15] <Kilos> lol
[21:16] <nuvolari> Squirm: tried weechat before?
[21:16] <Squirm> nuvolari: maybe once
[21:16] <nuvolari> ok
[21:17] <nuvolari> I love any ncurses based app
[21:17] <nuvolari> ncftp, weechat, ncmcpp
[21:17] <Kilos> superfly, HSM violation
[21:17] <Squirm> and whats the point in Gwibber
[21:17] <Squirm> PURGE
[21:17] <kbmonkey> myself! moc is my new music player :]
[21:18] <Squirm> I just use Rhytmbox
[21:18] <Kilos> and ata1.01 status {drdy df dr q err}
[21:18] <Squirm> SeaMonkey seems cool, but it kept crashing last time I tried it, which was admittedly over a year ago
[21:18] <nuvolari> sonata works well the day I don't want to use ncmcpp
[21:19] <Squirm> TomBoy is 2.8Mb :O
[21:20] <Kilos> Good evening gentlemen, wolfeyes here , Kilos  is just away a bit.
[21:20] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: moc looks cool
[21:20] <kbmonkey> used ncmcpp for long, got my scrobbling working with it too.
[21:21] <nuvolari> ye, scrobbling was a PITA the first time I had to do with it
[21:21] <nuvolari> in general mpd is tops
[21:21] <kbmonkey> Im busy keymapping moc so it has vi-like keys
[21:21] <superfly> Kilos: what hardware is in that machine?
[21:24] <Kilos> 2.4G intel cpu, Gigabyte mb, nvidia graphics card,  the rest is basic stuff.
[21:24] <Kilos> @ superfly
[21:28] <Kilos> we now trying kubuntu
[21:30] <magellanic> hoi hoi
[21:32] <Kilos> kernel panic. not syncing
[21:32] <Kilos> its winsucks in the boot sector i am sure
[21:32] <magellanic> heh
[21:33] <superfly> Kilos: that sounds like fairly standard hardware, not sure why it's panicing... do you have any additional hardware like a wireless network card?
[21:35] <Kilos> there is a another card you plug a data card in to connect to the net but he doesnt use it
[21:35] <Kilos> superfly,
[21:35] <superfly> Kilos: can you remove it?
[21:35] <Kilos> yes it out now
[21:36] <Kilos> we try again
[21:36] <magellanic> so have free space you're installing to? along side win?
[21:37] <magellanic> s/so/you/
[21:37] <Kilos> 13g
[21:37] <magellanic> and you're booting the livecd atm?
[21:37] <Kilos> and 400g in another partition
[21:37] <Kilos> yip
[21:37] <magellanic> oh okay
[21:40] <Kilos> the prob is he wants to keep the xp there till he is used to 11.04 as he has work on it
[21:41] <kbmonkey> it still panics, Kilos?
[21:41] <Kilos> kubuntu busy loading now we will see how far it gets this time
[21:42] <Symmetria> *HRM*
[21:42]  * Symmetria hopes things don't go to hell after tomorrows elections
[21:42]  * kbmonkey loves satsuma season
[21:42] <magellanic> Kilos: fair enough
[21:43] <Kerbero> Symmetria: why would it?
[21:44] <magellanic> so, is the DA promising more fiber? ;D
[21:46] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero if the ANC loses as much ground as they are expected to in the muncipal elections
[21:46] <Symmetria> it opens the door for elements in the ANC to attempt to oust zuma and put themselves in power
[21:46] <Symmetria> (in the same way they ousted mbeki)
[21:46] <kbmonkey> Kilos, some older hw I found in the BIOS you change the drive mode to/from LBA.
[21:47] <Symmetria> except, those elements are... problematic
[21:47] <Symmetria> (read MALEMA)
[21:47] <kbmonkey> be warned though that most likely xp will then complain, if at all
[21:47] <Symmetria> it depends just how much ground the ANC loses tomorrow and it could be substantial
[21:47] <kbmonkey> and even more out-the-box, I recommend looking if there is a BIOS update for the pc too
[21:47] <Kilos> will look at that if it crashes again ty kbmonkey
[21:47] <Kerbero> Symmetria: so you want me to vote ANC?
[21:48] <kbmonkey> rarely so but I have had it that BIOS updates solves some hw/disk issues.
[21:48] <Symmetria> Kerbero hell no
[21:48] <Symmetria> :P
[21:48] <kbmonkey> I vote jedi
[21:48] <Kerbero> lol
[21:49] <Symmetria> I want the ANC gone, Im just worried about the trouble that may happen when they get their asses kicked as Im hoping they do in many places
[21:49] <Kilos> said unable to read data cahe entry now it gone further
[21:49] <Kilos> cache
[21:49] <Symmetria> heh, I think tomorrow the DA will retain capetown, they will either take PE outright, or they will take it with cope as a coalition, and there is a *BIG* chance of the DA taking joburg
[21:50] <Kerbero> nice
[21:50] <kbmonkey> Kilos, does it look similar to this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SquashfsErrors
[21:51]  * kbmonkey had kernel panic earlier trying to install openSuse :p
[21:53] <Kilos> now we got to where it wants nm info but its behind a window with stripes across it and cant bring to the front
[21:54] <Kilos> ian ticked and it went somewhere else got black screen with mouse showing but cd running so we will see
[21:55] <Kilos> yay we ghetting to nm
[21:55] <kbmonkey> wow. that doesnt sound good.
[21:55] <Kilos> getting too
[21:55] <Kilos> lol
[21:55] <kbmonkey> hope it's not faulty hardware!
[21:55] <Kilos> aw its gone at+t
[21:56] <Kilos> dunno how to stop it so will start again
[21:57] <kbmonkey> at+t?
[21:57] <Kilos> american network provider
[21:57] <Kilos> never got to choose sa
[21:58] <Kilos> methinks maybe i use karmic and tell it to install grub
[22:03] <Symmetria> heh AT&T used to own most of telkom :P
[22:03]  * Symmetria has much hate
[22:04] <Kilos> lol
[22:05] <Symmetria> actually though, I have to admit, I have only ever dealt with three providers who I actually like :P
[22:05] <magellanic> at&t owned telkom?
[22:05] <Symmetria> magellanic yes, well, a LARGE portion of it
[22:06] <magellanic> wow didn't know
[22:06] <Symmetria> it was the siphoning of funds outta .za through telkom that funded the SBC/AT&T merge
[22:06] <Symmetria> (basically, SBC owned telkom, they jacked up the prices, made a fortune, and used it to fund a merge with AT&T iirc)
[22:06] <Kilos> cant even run karmic live cd
[22:06] <magellanic> yoh
[22:06] <Kilos> grrrr
[22:06] <magellanic> Kilos: ?
[22:07]  * Symmetria ordered himself a new machine today :P
[22:07] <Kilos> it hangs half way
[22:07] <kbmonkey> can you verify the cd integrity?
[22:07] <superfly> Kilos: use the alternate CD and do a text-based install
[22:07]  * Symmetria thinks he better shuttup because he will get much hate in here if he talks about that machine :P
[22:07] <Kilos> sure it ms stuff in boot sector meesing things up
[22:07] <magellanic> Symmetria: I hate you :D
[22:07] <Kilos> ok superfly will try that
[22:07] <Symmetria> magellanic hahaha if I tell you machine branding you will hate me more :P
[22:08] <magellanic> okay now I have to hear, I know it's apple
[22:08] <kbmonkey> during a boot yes sure but not during an installation?
[22:08] <Symmetria> http://www.digicape.co.za/storeview.php?product_id=59&tem_id=1 <[22:08] <magellanic> yerrie
[22:09] <magellanic> what did it cost?
[22:09] <Symmetria> 20 grand :P
[22:09] <magellanic> ouch. for home or work?
[22:09] <Symmetria> home
[22:09] <Symmetria> heh, look at the screen resolutions though on that screen
[22:10] <Symmetria> 2560x1440 ftw :P
[22:10]  * marcog prefers dual 24"
[22:10] <Symmetria> love apple, hate em, their screens are still some of the best anywhere
[22:10] <Symmetria> heh marcog I have a 24" plugged into my 27" imac at work
[22:10] <Symmetria> so run dual screen on top of that
[22:10] <marcog> do you have the 24"s rotated?
[22:11] <magellanic> I choose to hate them, but yea their hardware is nice
[22:11] <magellanic> :D
[22:11] <Symmetria> at home I already have a 27" apple screen on my normal machine, so will dual screen with that when the new machine arrives
[22:11] <marcog> i've seen someone with an apple 30" + 2 dell 24"s on the sides
[22:11] <Symmetria> to give me a total of 5120x2880 res
[22:11] <DraZoro> wow
[22:11] <Symmetria> marcog yeah :)
[22:11] <Symmetria> marcog heh, those apple screens are really really beautiful
[22:11] <Symmetria> they are just $$$$$$$$$$$ if you buy the 30"
[22:12] <marcog> it's a pretty sweet setup that, but pricey very pricey
[22:12] <Symmetria> (30" apple screen = close to the full price of my imac)
[22:12] <marcog> yep
[22:12] <DraZoro> That is a lot of pixels  Symmetria
[22:12]  * kbmonkey just ate an apple. it was sweet and crunchy.
[22:12] <Symmetria> DraZoro heh, its helpful when dealing with some of the diagrams I work on
[22:12] <magellanic> was just about to ask, what do you use them for
[22:12] <Symmetria> I spend a LOT of them diagramming extremely large network builds, particularly at a logical layer
[22:12] <magellanic> beside movies :D
[22:13] <Symmetria> and those diagrams are like, huge
[22:13] <Symmetria> :P
[22:13] <Symmetria> (which was another reason to buy apple, omnigraffle > * for diagramming)
[22:13] <DraZoro> I will like to experience such power one day Symmetria
[22:13] <Symmetria> heh omnigraffle is a *fraction* of the price of visio, and more powerful
[22:14] <Symmetria> http://networking.tenet.ac.za/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=l2_l3_resiliance <[22:15] <Symmetria> (thats a small one though)
[22:19] <Kerbero> what's wrang with Dia?
[22:20] <Symmetria> heh, its nowhere near powerful enough when it gets to really complex diagrams
[22:20] <Kerbero> hehe
[22:20] <Kerbero> just pulling your leg
[22:20] <Kerbero> Dia is crap
[22:20] <Kerbero> except if you really need to draw something qiuckly once
[22:21] <Symmetria> http://monitor.net.tenet.ac.za/cacti/graph_image.php?action=view&local_graph_id=517&rra_id=1 <[22:21] <Kerbero> o
[22:21] <Symmetria> 1.3gigabit/second worth of white noise going to europe, man I love these guys
[22:21] <Kerbero> SKA/meerKat stuff?
[22:22] <Symmetria> (and that data flow is LITERALLY white noise, they collect it off a telescope, send it to europe, overlap it with other white noise from other telescopes doing the same thing in real time, and since noise cancels noise, whats left is what they actually want)
[22:22] <Squirm> sleep well
[22:22] <Symmetria> nah, this is hartrao north west of pretoria
[22:22] <Kerbero> ok
[22:22] <Kerbero> the theory behind that is nice though
[22:22] <Symmetria> heh evlbi experiments seriously though are kinda whack
[22:22] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero yes, it just CHEWS bandwidth
[22:22]  * Kerbero likes
[22:22] <Symmetria> because the white noise has to be sent in real time
[22:22] <Kerbero> moar bandmidth
[22:23] <Symmetria> and its completely uncompressible
[22:23] <Symmetria> LOL at the moment we have more the sufficient bandwidth and will have a ton more by feb if all goes according to plan :P
[22:24] <Symmetria> heh, I have never yet managed to actually saturate our international bandwidth, its a sore point with me, that no matter hwo much I've tried in tests I cannot get enough data to actually saturate it in any meaningful way
[22:24] <Symmetria> heh the test servers generally fall over long before the bandwidth does
[22:25] <Kerbero> hmm
[22:25] <Kerbero> does your router's not have a bondwidth testing feature like mikrotik's
[22:26] <Symmetria> heh, kerbero no, to get to that kinda speed you need proper (and very expensive) traffic generators
[22:26] <Kerbero> like me?
[22:26] <Kerbero> :P
[22:26] <Symmetria> the highest I've managed to sustain in a test myself was between mirror.ac.za and another similar spec box in europe, using UDP packets
[22:26] <Symmetria> generated by iperf
[22:26] <Kerbero> ahh
[22:26] <Symmetria> that test I managed to do 8.2 sustained for 3 hours
[22:27] <Kerbero> 8.2gbps?
[22:27] <Symmetria> if I pushed the boxes any higher than 8.2 gig the servers themselves freaked out
[22:27] <Symmetria> yeah
[22:27] <Kerbero> nice
[22:27] <Symmetria> heh, hold, will show you something kinda cool
[22:27] <Kerbero> and is it the same line as the one we see that hartao stuff on now?
[22:27] <Symmetria> yeah
[22:28] <Kerbero> so we are using like .15 of 8
[22:28] <Symmetria> heh
[22:29] <Symmetria> watc this
[22:29] <Symmetria> Remote file list:
[22:29] <Symmetria>   1) debian-6.0.1a-i386-DVD-1.iso<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes
[22:29] <Symmetria> 4.6gig file right?
[22:29] <Kerbero> jip
[22:29] <Symmetria> just checking a setting real quick first
[22:30] <Symmetria> Transfer complete. Flushing to disk and signaling server to stop...
[22:30] <Symmetria> !!!!
[22:30] <Symmetria> PC performance figure : 0 packets dropped (if high this indicates receiving PC overload)
[22:30] <Symmetria> Transfer duration     : 54.99 seconds
[22:30] <Symmetria> heh that was from london, without tweaking the settings
[22:30] <Kerbero> ok
[22:30] <Kerbero> good
[22:31]  * Kerbero need to do the math quickly
[22:31] <Symmetria> heh now to tweak the settings a bit
[22:31] <Symmetria> (last one was about 650mbit)
[22:31] <Kerbero> ok
[22:31] <Symmetria> heh Transfer duration     : 28.28 seconds
[22:31] <Symmetria> Final file rate       : 1257.94 Mbps
[22:31] <Symmetria> heh, cant go much higher than that, the disks cap out :P
[22:32] <Kerbero> so the first one is 85.65MBytes/sec
[22:32] <Kerbero> which is almost my hdd limit
[22:32]  * DraZoro is amazed at such speeds
[22:32] <Symmetria> yeah and the second one was 157.24MBytes/second
[22:32] <Kerbero> and the secnond is 166.56MBytes/sec
[22:32] <Kerbero> hmm
[22:32] <Kerbero> math difference
[22:33] <Symmetria> well, according to the speed the program reported in IP payload transfer
[22:33] <Symmetria> its 157
[22:33] <Kerbero> o, i guess i'll need to use the size in bytes
[22:33] <Kerbero> more accurate
[22:33] <Symmetria> (1257.94/8)
[22:34] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero its not a bad speed all the way from London
[22:34] <Symmetria> since there is no way I could do that kinda speed even over my home lan
[22:34] <Kerbero> ok my math agrees: 157.23132MBytes/sec < My SSD's writing speed
[22:35] <Kerbero> hehe
[22:35] <Kerbero> it is awesome speed, but useless for anyone except for you
[22:36] <Kerbero> i hate it that our university throttles stuff
[22:37] <Kerbero> if i'm lucky i get 30KBytes/sec from the internet with a public IP
[22:37] <Kerbero> otherwise i can get up to 1.2MByte/s via the proxy
[22:42] <Symmetria> heh
[22:42] <Symmetria> brb, reading a presentation... this is like... wow
[22:45] <Symmetria> heh london internet exchange is going juniper
[22:45]  * Symmetria is shocked
[22:45] <Kerbero> it's a Lie
[22:46] <Kerbero> :P
[22:51] <Symmetria> heh its a good thing
[22:51] <Symmetria> we've had 2 many problems with the brocade LINX lan
[22:51]  * Kerbero need to google juniper first
[22:51] <Symmetria> heh we use a lot of juniper gear, its beautiful stuff
[22:51] <Kerbero> o
[22:52] <Kerbero> no cisco's?
[22:52] <Symmetria> significantly cheaper than cisco, significantly less buggy than juniper
[22:52] <Symmetria> and nicer CLI
[22:52] <Kerbero> ok
[22:52] <Symmetria> heh, we have tons of cisco kit, and Im getting rid of it as fast as possible
[22:52] <Symmetria> cisco gear is *buggy*
[22:52] <Symmetria> and full of problems
[22:52] <Kerbero> o
[22:52] <Symmetria> heh, its not as bad as the alcatel stuff we use though
[22:53] <Symmetria> heh kerbero, lemme show you something cool with the junipers quick
[22:53] <Symmetria> this is a juniper right:
[22:53] <Symmetria> Hostname: JNB-PR1
[22:53] <Symmetria> Model: mx80-48t
[22:53] <Symmetria> JUNOS Base OS boot [10.4R1.9]
[22:53] <Symmetria> JUNOS Base OS Software Suite [10.4R1.9]
[22:53] <Symmetria> now, watch this
[22:54] <Symmetria> JNB-PR1> start shell
[22:54] <Symmetria> % uname -a
[22:54] <Symmetria> JUNOS JNB-PR1 10.4R1.9 JUNOS 10.4R1.9 #0: 2010-12-04 09:58:24 UTC     builder@warth.juniper.net:/volume/build/junos/10.4/release/10.4R1.9/obj-powerpc/bsd/sys/compile/JUNIPER-PPC  powerpc
[22:54] <Symmetria> LOL
[22:54] <Symmetria> does that look familiar :P
[22:54]  * magellanic smells freebsd
[22:55] <Symmetria> junos = hugely hacked up freebsd that supports all the fancy hardware network processing cards etc that they stick in juniper routers
[22:55] <Symmetria> (and a ton of other network features built in specifically)
[22:55] <Symmetria> but basically yes, junos was built on freebsd :P
[22:55] <magellanic> is junos open source
[22:55] <magellanic> ?
[22:56] <Kerbero> hmm
[22:56] <Kerbero> powerpc <- /me smells apple
[22:56] <magellanic> Kerbero: nah apple have switched beds, now in bed with intel :p
[22:57] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero power-pc is used in many things
[22:58] <magellanic> who made powerpc processors, was it ibm?
[22:58] <Kerbero> so you can install ubuntu on the router?
[22:58] <Symmetria> Kerbero you gotta keep something in mind though, most of the trafic processing in modern routers isnt done on the cpus
[22:58] <Symmetria> its done in hardware asics
[22:58] <Symmetria> Kerbero technically yes you could
[22:58] <Kerbero> jip
[22:58] <Symmetria> though I could also just install gcc for freebsd on it
[22:58] <Symmetria> :P
[22:58] <Symmetria> and hte ports collection
[22:58] <Symmetria> and then install irssi and irc from my router
[22:58] <Symmetria> :P
[22:58] <Symmetria> it would make the worlds most expensive irc box
[22:58] <magellanic> cool
[22:59] <Kerbero> lol
[22:59] <Symmetria> heh, look at this:
[22:59] <Symmetria> cisco CRS-16/S (7457) processor with 4194304K bytes of memory.
[22:59] <Symmetria> 7457 processor at 1197Mhz, Revision 1.2
[22:59] <Symmetria> 4 Management Ethernet
[22:59] <Symmetria> 12 DWDM controller(s)
[22:59] <Symmetria> 28 TenGigE
[22:59] <Symmetria> ^^^ thats the large cisco core router, heh, RiSC cpu in there
[23:00] <Symmetria> and that box runs QNX as a base system
[23:00] <Kerbero> nice
[23:00] <Kerbero> 28!
[23:00] <Kerbero> that is enormous
[23:01] <Symmetria> heh not really, technically the device is capable of around 50 with zero oversub if we fully populated it
[23:01] <Symmetria> and with a minor upgrade, you could take that to 100 :P
[23:01] <Kerbero> what physical technology is the 10gigs
[23:01] <Symmetria> 28 Gigabit Ethernet interfaces
[23:01] <Symmetria> 26 Ten Gigabit Ethernet interfaces
[23:01] <Symmetria> heh thats another router we have
[23:01] <Symmetria> its all fiber
[23:02] <Kerbero> ok
[23:02] <Kerbero> what is the difference between the dwdm and 10gig then?
[23:02] <Symmetria> 10gigE has ethernet packet frame encapsulation on it and generally runs at either 1310 or 1550 nm wavelength
[23:02] <Symmetria> DWDM is tuneable optical wavelength
[23:02] <Symmetria> and doesnt have the encapsulation overhead
[23:03] <Kerbero> ok
[23:03] <Symmetria> the idea behind the DWDM in the router itself, is you can feed multiple different wavelengths into a multiplexer and then down a single fiber
[23:04] <Symmetria> and instead of the traditional way of the dwdm system demultiplexing and pushing out ethernet, which requires expensive transponders, you skip the push out ethernet segment and the electrical conversion
[23:04] <Symmetria> and run the light directly off the optical mux/demux
[23:04] <Kerbero> ok, so is seacom one physical fiber with dwdm?
[23:05] <Symmetria> 4 physical fibers (2 pairs, fiber is almost always done in pairs, a send and a receive)
[23:05] <Kerbero> ok
[23:05] <Symmetria> they run 2 pairs because they break each pair at different countries, so you can have more resilience
[23:05] <Symmetria> WACS will be 4 pairs I think
[23:06] <Kerbero> and tenet may use certain wavelengths?
[23:06] <Symmetria> they decide on the wavelength, they hand us off at 1550nm having already done the mux/demux, but yeah, we have enough wavelength space to do 10G
[23:06] <Symmetria> but they can figure out which wave they actually want us on for that 10G
[23:06] <Kerbero> ok
[23:07] <Symmetria> k, Im off for a smoke then bed :) gotta travel in the morning
[23:07] <magellanic> later Symmetria
[23:07] <magellanic> where you travelling?
[23:08] <Symmetria> just joburg
[23:08] <Symmetria> till saturday
[23:08] <Symmetria> got meetings
[23:08] <Symmetria> :P
[23:08] <Symmetria> gnight :)
[23:08] <magellanic> okay cool
[23:08] <Kerbero> o/
[23:14] <nuvolari> night everyone
[23:14] <nuvolari> *morning
[23:17] <magellanic> later


[00:07] <daker> Beldar: just the minimum to run the drivers AFAIK http://i.imgur.com/zY2GQ3M.png
[00:52] <daker> Saviq: i just updated to r86 the bug is still present but does always open the browser preview
[01:00] <daker> Saviq: no present in r87 :)
[01:00] <daker> Heisenbug :D
[01:48] <harushimo> when is the ubuntu-phone officially coming out
[01:48] <harushimo> can you install android apps on it?
[02:52] <kj_> hello
[02:53] <kj_> has  anyone ported ubuntu to the p5110
[03:08] <ParkerR> Is the original Nexus 7 Ubuntu image available anywhere? I am wanting to try out the image that was pretty much just normal Ubuntu (looked like full desktop) but had touch input and touch friendly software keyboard. It was available here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/ (From this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation )
[03:09] <ParkerR> Not eh new Touch images but the original image that was first released for the Nexus 7
[03:09] <ParkerR> *the
[03:12] <cordell> how do i go about uninstalling the ubuntu dual boot apk that is now in my launcher? it only gives me the option to disable it, not uninstall it
[03:13] <ParkerR> cordell, It's installed as a system app. You have to go manually delete the apk
[03:21] <cordell> thanks ParkerR. that fixed it.
[04:07] <ParkerR> Woohoo http://i.imgur.com/oWBKt6m.jpg
[04:29] <cordell> wished i was as lucky
[08:33] <Jeronimo> Howdy
[08:34] <Jeronimo> Can someone help me trying to install ubuntu touch onto a nexus 10, 4.4.2
[08:34] <Jeronimo> I seem to have got stuck on the boot loop
[08:35] <randomcpp> Jeronimo, which procedure are you using?
[08:36] <Jeronimo> Seems the usual fix of Power+VolUp+VolDown will not get me to the red apostrophe
[08:37] <Jeronimo> Tried installing cyanogenmod first ot give that a quick whirl using ubuntu and fastboot and adb
[08:37] <Jeronimo> Got stuck there.
[08:38] <Jeronimo> Then tried installing as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[08:38] <randomcpp> are you trying dual boot? otherwise you should use phablet-flash
[08:38] <randomcpp> it does all the work for you
[08:39] <Jeronimo> when I tried phablet-flash it said error: device not found.  Does it need to be booted up first?
[08:39] <Jeronimo> The N10 that is
[08:39] <randomcpp> in cyanogen have you enabled usb debugging?
[08:40] <Jeronimo> Yes did that
[08:40] <randomcpp> and yes the device must be turned on when launching phablet-flash
[08:40] <Jeronimo> bootloader of runnign android?
[08:40] <Jeronimo> sorry, in bootloader or running android?
[08:41] <randomcpp> running android is better I think
[08:41] <randomcpp> you may want to do a backup first if you haven't done yet
[08:42] <Jeronimo> I can't seem to get android to run, will try installing stock android image using fastboot, unless there is a better thing to do now?
[08:43] <Jeronimo> I didn't bother doing a backup as there is no data I wanted to keep thereon, and I thought I could just install dafault image again of needed.
[08:43] <randomcpp> mmh..you can try to flash the image manually if you already have a custom recovery, with the ubuntu recovery you can flash cyanogen too
[08:44] <Jeronimo> using phablet-flash?
[08:44] <randomcpp> or you flash stock rom and then start the process from the beginning
[08:44] <randomcpp> no, you boot up in to the recovery
[08:44] <randomcpp> or wait
[08:45] <randomcpp> I think you can run phablet-flash even if the device is is recovery
[08:46] <Jeronimo> I've tried rebooting into recovery from the bootloader screen that I cans till get into, but it doesn't go there, just reboots into the standard bootloader
[08:47] <Jeronimo> Even though I've selected recovery and pressed power to restart....
[08:47] <Jeronimo> Bootloader version is MANTAMF01
[08:47] <randomcpp> it seems you don't have a custom recovery installed or installed properly :/
[08:48] <Jeronimo> could be, can you suggest how to?
[08:49] <randomcpp> I suggest the long way, restore android and then try again with phablet-flash
[08:49] <randomcpp> be sure you've read the notes in thi section https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Step_4_-_Downloading_.26_Deploying_Image_to_Device
[08:49] <randomcpp> this*
[08:53] <randomcpp> Jeronimo, keep me updated about the process
[08:58] <Jeronimo> OK, thanks randomcpp for your interest, just run fastboot flash recovery manataray-kot49h.....
[08:59] <Jeronimo> I think I now run fastboot reboot recovery manataray-kot49h.....  ???
[09:00] <aloksingh> Hi All
[09:01] <Jeronimo> no, I think its fastboot boot manataray-kot49h.....
[09:04] <Jeronimo> Hmmm it says downloading 'boot.img'..., OKAY [ 55.057s]       booting...      FAILED (status read failed (no such device))
[09:07] <Jeronimo> Mmmm   Still can't get into recovery mode....
[09:34] <Jeronimo> OK have got Clockworkmod recovery v<IP_ADDRESS> running in recovery mode
[10:32] <Jeronimo> randomcpp I've got cyanogenmod installed now, will play with for a day, but think I can probably get from there to touch, having got this far....
[10:33] <randomcpp> yeah it shouldn't be difficult
[10:33] <randomcpp> yesterday I flashed ubuntu-touch on my nexus 4 from cyanogen using phablet-flash effortless
[10:33] <randomcpp> you just need to follow the instructions and be *very* patient :)
[10:38] <Jeronimo> I'm looking forward to it.
[10:38] <Jeronimo> How well are video apps working under touch?
[10:57] <randomcpp> Jeronimo, video playback works on mako
[10:57] <randomcpp> I don't know on n10
[14:16] <Jef91> What display server does Ubuntu touch use?
[14:20] <mdeslaur> Jef91: Mir
[14:25] <OttOmanTR> Guys, when ubuntu touch hit the market with different branded phones, how will they get updates?  Has anyone experience w/ Ubuntu Touch on Samsung Galaxy S3? Would it work?
[16:25] <greyback> avarty: according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_phablet-flash, there is partial community work on it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9300
[16:27] <avarty> greyback: thanks!
[18:21] <jmmc> hello
[19:26] <g33kn1nj4> hello
[19:33] <g33kn1nj4> is there any way to do this install from a windows based pc?
[19:36] <g33kn1nj4> hello?
[19:40] <g33kn1nj4> any active users here?
[19:50] <edakiri> g33kn1nj4: unknown. yes.
[19:54] <g33kn1nj4> so nobody has tried from a windows pc yet?
[20:18] <Reynaldo_Jose> anyone here using ubuntu touch on nexus 4?
[20:19] <Reynaldo_Jose> ALO
[21:07] <Dandel> I have a device is that is very similar to the grouper tablet that recently had it's kernel sources released. So i'm needing to find out who to talk to about getting the porting to this tablet to take place.
[21:26] <Squiquera> español ?
[21:28] <marcus_> hi to everybody!
[21:28] <marcus_> anybody know how to instal ubuntu touch on an xperia s device??
[21:32] <marcus_> so....
[22:31] <harris1> Hy on the ubuntu touch website why are there still 2 red boxes for the nexus 7
[22:32] <harris1> Anyone here
[22:38] <daker> harris1: ?
[22:38] <harris1> Yea
[22:39] <daker> harris1: how can i help ?
[22:39] <harris1> Ok so on the spreadsheet for the supported devices
[22:40] <harris1> For the nexus 7 there is still 2 red boxes
[22:40] <daker> harris1: can you link me to the page ?
[22:40] <harris1> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArLs7UPtu-hJdDZDNWliMmV1YUJ3Zk1pQlpDdGp4VFE&usp=sharing#gid=0
[22:42] <harris1> And thanks for the help in advance
[22:42] <daker> harris1: what's the problem exactly?
[22:43] <harris1> I want to know why there is still 2 broken or red hardware issues cor the nexus 7
[22:44] <daker> harris1: mostly those are bugs, or things that are broken or not tested well
[22:44] <harris1> Yea but will it be fixed
[22:44] <daker> harris1: yes
[22:45] <harris1> When
[22:45] <daker> the focus this cycle is on the tablet
[22:45] <daker> N7/N10
[22:45] <harris1> Because i want to download it
[22:46] <harris1> Should i wait for 14.04
[22:46] <daker> harris1: you can sill test the tablet version
[22:46] <harris1> I want it as my full os though
[22:47] <daker> harris1: ah i see, so i recommend that you should wait a little bit for 14.04
[22:48] <harris1> Will it be stable then
[22:50] <daker> it should be, the devs are putting a very good portion of there time to write tests
[22:50] <daker> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1306
[22:54] <harris1> Ok thanks
[22:55] <harris1> Merry Xmas
[23:18] <harris1> Hi


[21:08] <ycsapo> Hi, I was wondering if anybody can point me to documentation for building a Ubuntu Cloud infrastructure? I've tried following the official maas.ubuntu.com doc but there seems to be something wrong with it - I end up bricking my install and can't seem to move forward with juju.