 I think it's on the backend side .. but not so sure
[03:20] <rhpot1991> sabhain: verify ntp is actually installed
[03:20] <rhpot1991> dpkg -l ntp |grep ^ii
[03:21] <sabhain> rhpot1991, that's for a client, right?
[03:21] <rhpot1991> one of my backends somehow had the cron job enabled but ntp wasn't installed and it was getting out of sync
[03:21] <rhpot1991> should only matter on backends?
[03:21] <rhpot1991> I might be confusing your quetions
[03:22] <sabhain> ok .. well the grep returned this:
[03:22] <sabhain> ii  ntp                                        1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-3ubuntu2             Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs
[03:23] <sabhain> so I think it's there .. and there's an ntp in /etc/init.d
[03:23] <rhpot1991> check /etc/cron.daily
[03:23] <sabhain> but for some reason I've got a sync problem somewhere.  I think it's on the backend, but all the front ends show the wrong time in the guide ... and on the menus .. showing about 6-7 minutes into the future
[03:23] <rhpot1991> should have an ntp in there
[03:24] <rhpot1991> ah, maybe you should enable it on your frontends then
[03:24] <rhpot1991> my problem was between 2 backends, where it would start on MBE time and end on the 2nd backend time
[03:24] <rhpot1991> recordings were all a few seconds short
[03:24] <sabhain> yep .. it's in the cron.daily
[03:26] <sabhain> oddly enough .. the front ends (at least the one I checked ..) doesn't have the ntp in there .. but the time is correct
[03:28] <rhpot1991> run ntp and see if the time changes?>
[03:29] <sabhain> what's the command?
[03:31] <sabhain> never mind .. got it .. ran it .. and the time is right and didn't change
[03:31] <sabhain> right at the command line that is .. front ends still showing bad time
[03:32] <rhpot1991> but their time is right?
[03:35] <sabhain> actually .. I'm finding that their time is wrong
[03:36] <sabhain> where do I set the ntp server?
[03:37] <sabhain> if I have an NTP server running on the backends .. shouldnt the front ends just sync to that time?
[03:42] <sabhain> this is getting ugly .. I can't authenticate the time & date app (to unlock it) and set to network time ..
[03:43] <sabhain> getting this from npttime: ntp_adjtime() returns code 5 (ERROR)
[03:52] <sabhain> Ok .. thanks for your help rhpot1991 .. I think I may have it sorted out now .. ntptime wasn't working on the front ends .. so there was a mismatch .. I have them synced to the backend now .. and will watch it to see if they deviate
[03:52] <sabhain> thanks again
[04:03]  * phunyguy is away: sleep
[05:17] <cesman> superm1: missed you last night...
[05:17] <cesman> superm1: just hanging out...
[07:06] <superm1> cesman, ah
[17:34] <Aquahallic> Afternoon folks
[17:36] <Aquahallic> anyone messed with the mythphone at all?
[18:10] <thedarkone> hey all
[18:11] <thedarkone> in mythbuntu do i have to install v4l-dvb for my dvb-s drivers?
[18:11] <laga> depends.
[18:12] <laga> only if your card is not supported by the drivers coming with mythbuntu
[18:12] <thedarkone> i get a error every time i do ismod dvbloopback.ko
[18:12] <thedarkone> it a twinhan 102
[18:12] <laga> why do you need dvbloopback.ko?
[18:12] <thedarkone> for sasc-ng to work
[18:12] <Zinn> thedarkone: sasc-ng is a method to ILLEGALLY receive cable or satellite broadcasts via a fake software dvb-s/c device.  It is forbidden from being discussed in #ubuntu-mythtv, #ubuntu-mythtv-dev, #mythtv-users, and #mythtv.  If you would like to learn more about it, please refer to it's developers and keep any and all discussions about it there.
[18:13] <laga> hah
[18:13] <laga> i knew it.
[18:13] <laga> no, you'll have to discuss that elsewhere
[18:13] <thedarkone> lol
[18:13] <thedarkone> yeah i know
[18:14] <thedarkone> i just tring to figure out why ismod gives me error -1
[18:14] <laga> no
[18:14] <laga> really
[18:15] <laga> ask somewhere else .)
[18:15] <rhpot1991> Zinn has spoken
[18:15] <stoneymonster> hey laga, no pressure, just wondering if you've had any time with the trunk builds?
[18:16] <laga> stoneymonster: no, unfortunately not. i just need to wrap them up and push them to the PPA. maybe tonight, but not that easy with my finals coming up
[18:16] <stoneymonster> laga: cool, finals come first :) thanks for the update
[18:16] <laga> s/finals/exams/
[20:42] <sebrock> superm1, ? I've noticed you answered my forumposts
[20:42] <sebrock> got a small question left
[20:54] <sebrock> nevermind got it!
[21:18] <thedarkone> new question can i put the live cd files on to a flash drive and boot it that way?
[22:45] <Gringo_> weird. I have a pvr150, cat /dev/lirc0 returns something when I press the buttons on the remote, but irw doesn't return anything
[22:45] <Gringo_> I'm on 8.04
[22:45] <Gringo_> fresh install
[22:46] <Gringo_> lircd service is running
[22:52] <Gringo_> okay, turning the IR transmitter off fixed it :), nm
[23:00] <Aquahallic> superm1 you around?


[09:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:17] <czajkowski> mandel: you in the office this week ?
[11:35] <beuno> czajkowski, we're sprinting, but not in the office
[11:35] <czajkowski> beuno: ello
[11:36] <czajkowski> beuno: I believe ye were about where I used to live last night, nandos next door is rather yummy!
[13:29] <elopio> briancurtin: I found no more problems on my windows testing last week. And I don't have a windows machine here, but I can download the installer and set it up.
[14:07] <briancurtin> elopio: i'll get the second review on my patch and then build an installer with it. i have my windows machine here (but in the hotel now) if you want to borrow it for a little bit one of these days
[14:42] <elopio> briancurtin: that would be a lot easiear. A one hour loan of your machine should be enough.
[15:34] <karni> Who's up for review? https://code.launchpad.net/~karni/ubuntuone-music-java-library/v2-changes-and-playlists/+merge/133946


[06:44] <djs_2_6> Hello.    Unfortunately, I have a scsi array through a smart array 3200 card, which I need.  So, this brings me to my point - can a compaq smart array scsi card be used in a non compaq server successfully?
[02:38] <Overand> i've got like 12 instances of bzip2 running on /dev/urandom and /dev/random, and bonnine++ hauling in the background
[02:38] <Overand> load averages at 12+
[02:38] <Overand> and the system's STILL serving web pages on mediawiki reasonably
[02:38] <Overand> <3 ubuntu-server dapper


[04:58] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r541 Bring back toolbar gradient in Gtk3 (fixes #203)... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[04:58] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r542 Make lightdm-gtk-greeter's restart button blue (fixes #206)... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[16:32] <pjotter> Hi everyone. I have a problem involving ipv4 and ipv6 in Xubuntu. Can I ask in here?
[16:39] <pjotter> I'm trying to find out why, in a fresh installation of Xubuntu, wget -first- tries an ipv4 download and then ipv6.
[16:40] <pjotter> I thought it should be the other way around? First ipv6 and then ipv4?


[12:36] <EtienneG> hey guys!  Quick q.: when is the next SRU for lucid scheduled?
[12:43] <herton> EtienneG: if everything goes well, current one will probably released next week, once testing finishes (current SRU being tracked in bug 871899)
[12:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 871899 in kernel-sru-workflow "linux: 2.6.32-35.78 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871899
[12:43] <herton> the next one I think will be prepared right after UDS
[12:44] <EtienneG> herton, cool stuff, thanks herton!
[12:45] <EtienneG> herton, do we have a calendar, or a report, or somesuch to track these?  I'll bookmark it and refer t it in the future.
[12:46] <herton> EtienneG: we have a report of all SRUs in progress here: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[12:46] <herton> we also have a calendar, but it's not always reliable, because of regressions etc. it may offset sometimes
[12:47] <herton> usually each SRU cycle is each 3 weeks
[12:48] <EtienneG> herton, yeah, I understand the cadence is three weeks but likely to slip due to regression.  At least, if I can track what the *plan*, it is already a start!  :)
[12:53] <herton> EtienneG: we have an internal google calendar with the likely schedule, but it's not public I think
[12:58] <herton> s/it's not/nothing
[13:21] <hggdh> herton: btw, did you see my comment on bug 872660?
[13:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 872660 in kernel-sru-workflow/regression-testing "linux-lts-backport-maverick: 2.6.35-30.61~lucid1 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872660
[13:21] <herton> hggdh: yep, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lts-backport-maverick/+bug/872660/comments/5
[13:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 872660 in kernel-sru-workflow/regression-testing "linux-lts-backport-maverick: 2.6.35-30.61~lucid1 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress]
[13:23] <hggdh> herton: I agree, but I needed it. I cannot decide for the kernel team
[13:24] <herton> hggdh: sure, no problem. This warning shouldn't hold the update
[13:25] <hggdh> herton: all yours to promote to updates
[13:26] <herton> ack
[13:26] <hggdh> now, for the next
[13:42]  * ogasawara back in 20
[13:53] <herton> ppisati: on next fsl-imx51 update, you will be able to use verify-release-ready from kteam-tools to check for common problems like missing tracking bug etc., before pushing. The same is true for all other arm branches, except mvl-dove from maverick, as the script doesn't like the lucid version being used, I'll take a look if it's feasible to fix
[13:58] <herton> ops, in fact on mvl-dove from maverick it doesn't like the missing abi files
[13:59] <ogra_> lucid is dead for armel
[13:59] <ogra_> EOL message should have gone out last week (sadly it wasnt yet), dont put work into lucid distro stuff
[14:00] <herton> ogra_: true for lucid mvl-dove, but maverick mvl-dove should still be updated from what I got
[14:01] <ogra_> herton, i was more referring to fsl-imx51
[14:01] <ogra_> dove exists in maverick, but to my knowledge we never supported a kernel for it
[14:01] <ogra_> (in maverick that is)
[14:05] <herton> ogra_: good news, once official word gets out
[14:05] <ogra_> yeah, i was promised the announcement for last friday ... i'll hunt down kate today
[14:28] <gentoo_drummer> I used the command line installation since i hate unity and installed xfce. the system is incredible fast, even quicker than my debian and i was wondering if someone could tell me how can i get the default ubuntu font rendering
[14:29] <gentoo_drummer> any ideas guys/
[14:29] <gentoo_drummer> ?
[14:31] <ogra_> and you expect the kernel team to know that ? thats brave :)
[14:32] <gentoo_drummer> :P
[14:32] <ogra_> try #ubuntu-desktop ;)
[14:32] <gentoo_drummer> well.. i assume that kernel team tweks with things
[14:32]  * ogra_ guesses they are to understaffed to have time for that :)
[14:37] <ppisati> herton: cool, thanks! :)
[14:43] <hggdh> herton: do we have a backport from Oneiric?
[14:44] <ogra_> herton, so i just talked to kate ... the actual 18 months for lucid are only over on the 29th so EOL announcement for lucid will go out then, but please dont do any kernel work on lucid arm kernels anymore, would be wasted time
[14:45] <herton> hggdh: yes, tracked in bug 878811
[14:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 878811 in linux-lts-backport-oneiric "linux-lts-backport-oneiric: 3.0.0-13.21~lucid1 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/878811
[14:45] <herton> ok
[14:46] <hggdh> herton: it does not show up on http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html ?
[14:48] <herton> hggdh: no, I don't know why, bjf ^
[14:48] <hggdh> herton: since I already have lucid loaded, I will go ahead and do 878811 also; of course, may redo if verification fails
[14:48] <herton> hggdh: ok. http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html lists it though
[14:49] <bjf> herton, hggdh, will look into it
[15:07] <ogra_> herton, so i also just confirmed again, there was never a dove kernel in maverick, if there is thats a big mistake and its definitely not supported by any of us (or you)
[15:09] <herton> hmm ok
[15:09] <herton> going to lunch, bbl
[15:20] <bjf> ogra_: that is quite amusing since we did ship a mvl-dve maverick kernel (2.6.32 based) and have been supporting it since release
[15:21] <ogra_> bjf, yes, we never should have done that, that kernel was for NCommanders tests and should have been removed from the archive before release day
[15:21] <ogra_> bjf, wrt dove in maverick we only support the userspace
[15:21] <bjf> pgraner: ^ nice eh?
[15:22] <ogra_> (sorry, i didnt even know that kernel exists, i (nor anyone else but NCommander) wasnt involved in dove after lucid)
[15:23] <ogra_> the more intresting question is, is there a way to remove it from a released archive ....
[15:23] <ogra_> if its there now, i guess it should see security maintenance at least, would be good to avoid that
[15:24] <bjf> ogra_: we work on it every 3 weeks
[15:24] <ogra_> ugh
[15:24] <ogra_> what a waste of manpower
[16:05] <hggdh> herton, bjf: bug 879516, I am failing this kernel
[16:08] <bjf> hggdh: any reason that bug is private ?
[16:08] <hggdh> bjf: a security test failed
[16:08] <hggdh> bjf: you should have access, I subscribed the kernel team
[16:09] <hggdh> bjf: I will move straight ahead to the Oneiric proposed kernel now, and check it
[16:20] <bjf> herton, hggdh, the lts-backport-oneiric tracking bug is not on the sru-report because the tracking bug was not added to the changelog
[16:21] <hggdh> bjf: ah, thank you
[16:23] <herton> bjf: ack, I thought it could be this, since we weren't able to create the bug report earlier
[16:24] <herton> and put in the changelog
[17:54] <hggdh> herton: jj found the issue on the oneiric backport to be a test case failure; as such, I am tagging it -passed
[17:56] <cnd> bjf, do you know who does the wiki gardening for the kernel team?
[17:57] <cnd> I'm wondering how to create a table with borders
[17:57] <bjf> cnd we've let it go to weeds
[17:57] <cnd> urg
[17:58] <bjf> cnd there's a moin style/syntax help page that explains it
[17:58] <bjf> i think
[17:58] <cnd> I can't find anything on borders though
[17:58] <cnd> and the ubuntu wiki by default doesn't show borders
[17:58] <cnd> which makes it hard to read tables
[17:58] <cnd> oh wait, I can check the release schedule page
[17:58] <cnd> that has borders
[17:59] <cnd> or not
[18:28] <herton> hggdh: ok, cool
[19:54] <tathi> I just reformatted an old ubuntu box and installed 11.10, and while it installed the rt61pci driver automatically, my wireless card isn't picking up the router's SSID.
[19:54] <tathi> (connect to hidden network works fine, as do all other computers in the house)
[19:54] <tathi> Should I be reporting this as a bug?
[19:55] <ohsix> how long did you wait for the ap to show up
[19:56] <tathi> It took me probably 15-20 minutes to figure out how to get it up, find the SSID from another box, and all that.
[19:57] <tathi> So long enough, I think.
[19:57] <ohsix> there are a few moving parts, and unless something is very broken it's not the kernel or the driver
[19:57] <tathi> Hrm.
[19:57] <ohsix> nm-tool can display what networkmanager sees, the applet might have its own criteria for displaying stuff
[19:58] <tathi> Any other suggestions?  It worked fine under Ubuntu 9.04 this morning, then I spent an hour or so reinstalling.  Didn't move the computer, so the hardware should still be fine.
[19:59] <tathi> What applet?
[20:00] <ohsix> that fancy thing on your desktop that actually shows a list of things to connect to is just a small part of it
[20:00] <tathi> Ah.  I was mostly poking around with command-line tools, though I didn't change anything.
[20:01] <tathi> lspci, iwlist, lshw, that sort of thing.
[20:01] <ohsix> nm-tool should pretty much tell you all you need to know, delete the connection for the ap you're trying to accessing, disable networking, reenable; check and see if nm-tool shows the ap you're interested about
[20:02] <tathi> I'll try that.  Thanks!
[20:10] <tathi> Nope, same thing.
[20:18] <tathi> Well, I suppose I could pull the card and test it on another computer in case it randomly broke at the same time I upgraded the software...
[20:19] <tathi> Seems odd that it can connect fine though.
[20:20] <ohsix> same thing what? nm-tool doesn't list the ap?
[20:20] <tathi> right.
[20:20] <tathi> If it's connected, it lists the normal stuff.
[20:21] <tathi> Disconnect, and it still lists the ap.
[20:21] <ohsix> what driver was it again?
[20:21] <tathi> disable networking and delete entry, enable it again and still no ap.
[20:21] <tathi> rt61pci
[20:23] <ohsix> can you post the output of dmesg to a pastebin
[20:25] <tathi> grr...don't have xclip.  yeah, hang on.
[20:27] <tathi> http://pastebin.com/ebpjssCs
[20:28] <tathi> Is this the right place to ask this?  I could go find someone else to bother... :)
[20:30] <ohsix> well, #linux-wireless


 I really don't know why people pay more for a crappy service
[20:13] <chilts> anyone tried flip.co.nz? <- I just joined, should get connected on Tuesday
[20:13] <chilts> get to buy data when I want it rather than lose it every month
[20:13] <chilts> kinda like PowerShop for webbernet


[14:37] <leonardus> I haven't been paying attention, is there a release date for 18.10 yet?
[20:39] <Rounin> TJ-: Seems that my other user, Mr. Guest Guest, also has the same issue
[20:39] <TJ-> Rounin: ok, that helps a lot
[20:40] <TJ-> so as pacmd also doesn't list it it seems to be a problem with PA finding the ALSA devices. I think the next thing to do is test the ALSA output to prove there is sound
[20:40] <TJ-> Rounin: can you show me "pastebinit <( aplay -L )"
[20:41] <Rounin> Outright moving .config/pulse and killall -9 pulse had no effect either
[20:42] <Rounin> TJ-: What a clever tool! http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ShfRg6Ggyw/
[20:42] <Rounin> (Now all we need to do is build a network stack on top of it, and we can finally have functional bidirectional TCP again)
[20:46] <TJ-> Rounin: now try "speaker-test -Dfront:CARD=PCH -t wav"
[20:48] <Rounin> TJ-:  Hmmm... "Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy"
[20:48] <Rounin> TJ-: And aplay with -D sysdefault led to: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1063:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to create IPC semaphore aplay: main:828: audio open error: Permission denied
[20:52] <Rounin> front:CARD=PCH seems to lead to "Device or resource busy" whereas sysdefault:CARD=PCH gets permission denied when creating the semaphore
[20:52] <Rounin> I was so sure we could blame Poettering for this one
[20:53] <TJ-> Rounin: I think I had the syntax slightly wrong; but I can't make it work here either - I suspected in my case PA had thw ALSA device open exclusively. The syntax should be "-Dfront:PCH -t wav"
[20:53] <Rounin> Ah wait wait
[20:54] <Rounin> Now I tried it as root
[20:54] <Rounin> Let me just move my cable over to the analogue port
[20:55] <Rounin> "left front left front..."
[20:55] <Rounin> Yeah, seems like it's just a permission issue
[20:55] <Rounin> If only I knew what to change the permissions of... Do you know where these devices are?
[20:57] <TJ-> Right, so maybe your user isn't in the plugdev and/or audio groups?
[20:57] <Rounin> There are some "pulse" and "audio" gr... Yup
[20:58] <Rounin> Perhaps I did something weird to make it work before, and it stopped working due to the upgrade?
[20:58] <Rounin> Can't imagine why it worked in the previous version
[20:59] <TJ-> Rounin: have you reviewed the syslog/auth.log for clues ?
[21:00] <Rounin> TJ-: Oh wow! A lot of "Oct  6 17:53:30 lightning dbus-daemon[846]: [system] Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="error", sender=":1.42" (uid=1000 pid=2144 comm="/usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog " label="unconfined") interface="(unset)" member="(unset)" error name="org.bluez.MediaEndpoint1.Error.NotImplemented" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.299" (uid=0 pid=8035 comm="/usr/lib/bluetooth/bluetoothd "
[21:00] <Rounin> label="unconfi"
[21:00] <Rounin> Etc. etc.
[21:01] <Rounin> I've added myself to the groups, so I'll try logging out entirely and then back in
[21:01] <Rounin> Brb
[21:15] <Rounin> Hello again! I had to go in with a bootable USB and change my root password... Apparently I misspelled it when I set it, and the next 5-6 times I typed it
[21:15] <Rounin> Anyway, TJ-, I just wanted to say it's working now, and it was indeed the pulseaudio/audio/etc. group issue. Thanks so much for your help!
[21:16] <TJ-> Rounin: yay! I wonder if that needs reporting since it seems it should have been handled in the upgrade
[21:17] <Rounin> TJ-: Yeah, hard to tell... After all, who knows how and why it was working before?


[05:08] <leonel> hello  where can I found docs about  how to update sun-java6 to the lattest jdk ?
[11:40] <man-di> leonel: about sun-java6: Read the source of the package and you will understand
[11:41] <leonel> man-di: I hope  I'll do :)
[11:41] <leonel> thanks
[11:41] <leonel> man-di: so most of the work is going on  openjdk ?
[11:42] <man-di> yes
[11:42] <man-di> proprietary java is a dead horse
[11:43] <leonel> so .. let's refocus my work ..
[11:43] <leonel> thanks


[01:03] <dalguete> hello everyone. Not sure if I'm in the proper channel, but I have a problem trying to build a package in launchpad. I can not get rid of the message "binary build with no binary artifacts found; cannot distribute", and the build fails over and over again. Help or orientation much appreciated
[01:03] <dalguete> BTW is got this channel by reading the packaging new software info from ubuntu docs
[01:04] <dalguete> *got to
[06:54] <dholbach> good morning
[21:15] <Unit193> Wait, so unseeded things are still a-ok?


[04:39] <sagaci> hi
[05:41] <ikt> hi sagaci
[05:42] <sagaci> what's happening ikt
[05:46] <ikt> not much
[05:46] <ikt> just on break
[05:46] <ikt> subway time!
[05:47] <md_5> lol
[05:52] <sagaci> there's a chinatown near the marriott here but haven't really been out yet
[07:31] <jaddi27> head_victim, is the member meeting still on tonight?
[07:31] <head_victim> jaddi27: the meeting is planned for tonight
[07:31] <head_victim> It's just a matter of quorum now
[07:33] <jaddi27> Ok. Hopefully my 1 extra testimonial is enough - benonsoftware was a bit busy to do his, I think
[07:33] <jaddi27> Otherwise I can just put it off for a month - I just feel a bit bad trying two months in a row, with not a whole lot changing
[08:11] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Ping
[08:34] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, pong
[08:35] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Care do a PM?
[08:35] <benonsoftware> s/do/for/
[08:35] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, Yep, that's fine
[11:01] <jaddi27> head_victim, I guess this is partly why there is a review of the meeting boards?
[11:05] <head_victim> jaddi27: pretty much
[11:05] <jaddi27> how many people are on each board?
[11:05] <head_victim> Apologies for not getting quorum again
[11:05] <head_victim> Usually 8 - 10 from memory
[11:06] <jaddi27> I don't really mind - I waited one month, can wait another easily
[11:06] <jaddi27> Right. So if the boards were merged, then there would be more people to target hopefully
[11:16] <head_victim> That's the plan
[14:01] <sagaci> hola
[14:21] <sagaci> daily isos are happening


[07:39] <dholbach> good morning
[07:40] <Fuchs> morning
[08:41] <bkerensa> Ello
[09:31] <bkerensa> AlanBell: You awake?
[09:31] <AlanBell> sure
[09:31] <bkerensa> might wanna peak in #lubuntu
[09:31] <bkerensa> ;)
[09:32] <bkerensa> peek* even
[09:36] <AlanBell> ok, I will keep an eye on that, but it looks like you and bioterror are handling it fine
[09:36] <AlanBell> people are strange.
[09:36] <bkerensa> indeed
[09:36] <bkerensa> :P
[19:21] <mhall119> can we finish putting in place the redirect from #ayatana to #ubuntu-unity?
[19:24] <pangolin> Pici: ^ this requires your finesse
[19:27] <AlanBell> actually it needs popey
[19:29] <pangolin> oh
[19:30] <Pici> mhall119: #ayatana isn't in our namespace. Either joey or popey would need to action this.
[19:33] <mhall119> popey is willing to, if someone could help show him how
[19:35] <mhall119> Pici: ^^
[19:38] <Pici> popey: /msg chanserv set #ayatana mlock +ntcif-slk #ubuntu-unity     (or +mntcif-slk if you want to make the channel +m by default too)
[19:39] <popey> 19:39:04 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- The MLOCK for #ayatana has been set to +intcf-skl.
[19:39] <Pici> You'll need to be opped in #ubuntu-unity when you do that.
[19:39] <popey> oh
[19:39] <Pici> Looks to have worked though.
[19:39] <popey> groovy
[19:39] <popey> thanks Pici
[19:40] <Pici> np
[19:40] <popey> so do i need to clear #ayatana now?
[19:40] <pangolin> is it meant to forward ?
[19:40] <popey> yes
[19:40] <popey> thats the idea
[19:40] <pangolin> because when I /join #ayatana I get * Cannot join #ayatana (Channel is invite only).
[19:41] <Pici> pangolin: are you already in #ubuntu-unity?
[19:41] <pangolin> ah yeah
[19:41] <Pici> then thats expected.
[19:42] <popey> i tried from webchat and got redirected
[19:42] <pangolin> cool works
[19:42] <pangolin> was my bad
[19:42] <popey> so best way to clear a channel?
[19:43] <Pici> Wait?
[19:43] <pangolin> /msg ChanServ CLEAR #ChatZone USERS
[19:43] <pangolin> change the channel name
[19:44] <popey> we gave them notification a week ago they should leave
[19:44] <Pici> Keep in mind that all of those users may be pinged that you kicked them from the channel.
[19:44] <pangolin> you can add a  reason to the end of that command also
[19:45] <pangolin> /msg ChanServ CLEAR #ayatna USERS redirecting to #ubuntu-unity
[19:45] <popey>  /msg chanserv clear #ayatana users Please join #ubuntu-unity - thank you, have a nice day!
[19:45] <popey> like that?
[19:45] <pangolin> yup
[19:46] <popey> hah, spot the auto-rejoiners in -unity ☺
[19:46] <popey> brilliant, thanks guys!
[19:46] <mhall119> thanks everyone!


 It looks like this bug happened when Qt was built against new OpenSSL but used with old OpenSSL. We don't link to it, so the package doesn't get a correct dependency. (re @RikMills: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1952977)
 It mentions failure to resolve SSL_CTX_load_verify_dir but that function is used only with new OpenSSL.
 Indeed (re @mitya57: It looks like this bug happened when Qt was built against new OpenSSL but used with old OpenSSL. We don't link to it, so the package doesn't get a correct dependency.)
 I backported some upstream fixes to my packaging branch (including the changes from mamarley's snippet), but I won't rush with the upload. In case you or someone else reports issues with the current package built with openssl 3 and running with openssl 3, then we will have a chance to see if these changes fix it.
 Yeah, there is no hurry at the moment as the openssl 3 transition still has a fair way to go
 The current package in release was built with 1.1.1 so should be fine
[15:46] <fvogt> Not built with -openssl-linked?
[15:46] <mitya57> We are not doing that for licensing reasons.
[15:48] <fvogt> Ah, that...
[15:48]  * fvogt would argue that there's no difference between doing the link on startup or during runtime, but is not a lawyer
[15:49] <fvogt> ossl 3.0 should solve that at least
[15:49] <mitya57> Yes, that's nice.


[08:20] <redtape-renegade> Morning, least it's not raining today here !!
[08:22] <czajkowski> snow--
[08:35] <AlanBell> snow here
[08:36] <AlanBell> got to go into farnham later and get a new phone for an offspring
[08:36] <AlanBell> carphone warehouse appears to have a Samsung Galaxy Ace for £7.50/month
[08:53] <directhex> still snowing here
[08:53] <directhex> a little
[08:54] <directhex> bad enough that the prius isn't going anywhere
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> No snow here, but strong cold winds (wind chill: -15°C)
[09:07] <redtape-renegade> post pictures here or on twitter ppl !
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: can't take very good pictures of wind
[09:09] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, And it's w-effects ?? What 'bout that ?
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> ?
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> w-effects?
[09:10] <redtape-renegade> wind effect
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: My 6D is with the package delivery man .. should be here within the hour ;)
[09:10] <redtape-renegade> Is that a camera ?
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-6d
[09:11] <redtape-renegade> appears so :: | http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/canon-eos-6d-with/4505-6501_7-35437982.html
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> a very shiny one :)
[09:12] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, Haha .. First Rule of Google : Never go for the first suggestion !
[09:12] <redtape-renegade> My window is whistling to me !
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: forgot to take your pills again? ;)
[09:15] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, I had rabbies injection when I was 12 .. after that I need guiness as medication to defeating trolling comments .
[09:18] <redtape-renegade> ...
[09:19] <redtape-renegade> Dunno if anyone has nothing to-do today, But the LibrePlanet conference is on over in Boston, US :: |  http://libreplanet.org/wiki/LibrePlanet:Conference/2013/Program
[09:19] <redtape-renegade> There's video for the first time this year \o/
[09:20] <redtape-renegade> but you'll prob.ly say they're childiish, or something..
[09:20] <redtape-renegade> which I tend to agree.
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> LibrePlanet? what's that?
[09:20] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, Dude, wake up see the Link !
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> FSF trying to take over the world?
[09:21] <redtape-renegade> they just monitor website usually.
[09:21] <redtape-renegade> **websites.. usually
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> Big Stallman is Watching You?
[09:22] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, You are obviously not in constructive-comments mode today, are you ?
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> I just don't like the way FSF promotes its ideas usually :)
[09:24] <redtape-renegade> Yeah, you never really say what 's good about anything...
[09:28] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, Perhaps you are better on something Like Reddit ::: | http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1au3k9/instead_of_using_actual_spray_cans_some_artists/
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: Saw that one :) Reminded me of some ads(!) they did on the sidewalk a few months ago
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: using a template + pressure washer :)
[09:29] <redtape-renegade> It's obvious ..
[09:30] <redtape-renegade> they do it outside of public houses in Ireland to get bookie advertising for years .. they even scew the image so if you are walking you only see the complete advert for a millisecond .. it makes you *blink * !
[09:32] <redtape-renegade> Aaaw Man , my milk went off a-day-early !
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> aww
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: should have kept it outside, it's cold enough ;)
[09:34] <redtape-renegade> troo.#
[09:34]  * redtape-renegade 's having a smokey.
[09:38] <redtape-renegade> Oh man , purple haze, purple haze.
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> is that when purple rain evaporates?
[09:39] <redtape-renegade> no it when you have a smokey.
[09:39] <redtape-renegade> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COVH3WGj7VE  It's getting colder !
[09:43] <redtape-renegade> Yay http://www.ubuntu-cola.blogspot.com/  is on blogspot .. i didn't know that !
[09:43]  * redtape-renegade          prefers Ribena    .
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> http://pyvideo.org/video/1668/keynote-2
[09:48] <redtape-renegade> opening...
[09:54] <redtape-renegade> yay BBCMicro http://youtu.be/PAHBZImmXsI?t=2m24s
[10:35] <redtape-renegade> OT | Man,, Ive got to stop getting fleeced on classified website's http://www.gumtree.co.za/fp-ubuntu?isSearchForm=true .. BTW 1.00 GBP	=	14.1464 ZAR (south African rands)
[10:45] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:52] <meet> Hi. I have a dell N5110 system. I installed 12.04. But I am not getting any touch scroll options in the settings menu for mouse. Also, I tried the instructions given here: http://goo.gl/B2snx which had once worked for me on elementary OS based on 12.04. but it's not working for me now. what can I do?
[11:02] <redtape-renegade> OT | Isle of Man get a mention on the front page of Y!ahoo UK website .. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/on-this-day-mike-hailwood-killed-in-car-crash-140435227.html#Id2otEA
[12:16] <popey> morning
[12:16] <popey> ish
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> \o
[12:17] <SuperMatt> morning
[12:18]  * SuperMatt is doing the 'install windows before everything else dance' except the windows install isn't working >:(
[12:18] <SuperMatt> ooooh, finally!
[12:18] <SuperMatt> after about 5 installs and blindly changing bios options \o/
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: "REset to default/safe values" doesn't work?
[12:25] <SuperMatt> nope
[12:26] <kvarley> Anybody here know htacccess? I want to rewrite myfolder/index.html to www.example.com/this
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: htaccess is just bits of apache config :)
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: look up the "mod_rewrite" guide in the Apache docs
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> it has loads of examples
[12:33] <SuperMatt> kvarley: I know it
[12:34] <SuperMatt> RewriteRule /myfolder/index.html http://www.example.com/this [R=301]
[12:34] <SuperMatt> and make sure you have rewrite engine on
[12:34] <SuperMatt> with RewriteEngine On
[12:34] <SuperMatt> that goes before it
[13:32] <mungbean> seen this? looks handy https://www.leapmotion.com/product
[13:32] <mungbean> gesture device for your media pc would be good
[14:08] <AlanBell> reasonably priced too
[14:37] <penguin42> interesting - I wonder what it looks like to the host
[14:40] <popey> "mac or pc"
[14:40] <popey> a device via a driver by the look of it
[14:42] <AlanBell> looks like a camera that does black images apparently
[14:42] <penguin42> yeh I wondered where the image interepretation was - if it's in the device then there is a chance of making it work
[14:45] <rmarcandier>  /msg NickServ identify lag123ss
[14:45] <AlanBell> got http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/HTC_DESIRE_C2/MONTHLY for eldest sprog this morning
[14:45] <penguin42> rmarcandier: Oops
[14:45] <AlanBell> new password time rmarcandier
[14:45] <Myrtti> sprog
[14:45] <Myrtti> lol
[14:45] <rmarcandier> omg
[14:45] <AlanBell> sproglette then Myrtti
[14:55] <popey> AlanBell: how old is eldest sprog now?
[14:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: 12
[14:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> I met AlanBell at the anti-natal class for our 1st borns.
[14:57] <popey> hah
[14:57] <popey> hope she doesn't ever answer the google birthday challenge then
[14:57] <popey> will have her google account shutdown
[14:58] <popey> I have informed Sophie to call me if it ever asks for her date of birth
[14:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right, back to making a Roman shield with thing 2... We are learning about scale
[14:59] <StevenR> popey: google birthday challenge?
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: google sometimes asks you for your birthday ("Is this correct?" "We want to make sure our records are complete in case you ever need to reset your password" etc.)
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: and if you're <13 you aren't allowed an account
[15:01] <StevenR> ahhh
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: is the "13 years" rule also in place for (paid?) "apps" accounts?
[15:02] <StevenR> hrrm. Dad's computer keeps crashing - BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at<PHONE_NUMBER>0000c0   We've checked the RAM using memtest overnight and it came up clean, similarly a touch /forcefsck brought up nothing. He's running 3.2.0-39 at the moment. I've suggested he try -38 next time it happens. Is there anything else I should do?
[15:02] <StevenR> (it's Xubuntu on top of the current LTS)
[15:03] <popey> i believe so MartijnVdS
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> popey: weird rules are weird
[15:04] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, I have heard of that too
[15:05] <penguin42> StevenR: Can you get the rest of the error?
[15:06] <penguin42> StevenR: if you're RAM is good then it's almost certainly a kernel bug
[15:07] <StevenR> penguin42: yeah, I can grab the rest of it
[15:07] <StevenR> openvpn ftw :)
[15:08]  * MartijnVdS now has an OpenWRT router doing the heavy lifting (of the 100/100 fibre link)
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> it's faster than the ISP-supplied Fritz!Box :)
[15:09] <penguin42> StevenR: You could also remotely run an ubuntu-bug linux    from a terminal it'll give you a URL that you can open to fill in the details
[15:10] <StevenR> penguin42: ok.... I'll make sure it's actually a problem with -39 first :)
[15:10] <StevenR> if it still crashes with earlier versions, it's probably not kernel (the box is around 10mo old)
[15:23] <StevenR> thanks penguin42
[15:24] <penguin42> no problem - have you got a bug number?
[15:24] <StevenR> not yet
[15:24]  * penguin42 is happy to look at the back trace
[15:25] <StevenR> I want to try -38 first, to be sure it's actually a bug in -39
[15:59]  * kvarley 's Kindle Fire just died :(
[16:00] <brobostigon> hw or sw?
[16:00] <kvarley> Hardware
[16:00] <kvarley> Just turned off suddenly
[16:00] <kvarley> No low battery warning
[16:00] <kvarley> Now won't turn on
[16:01] <kvarley> Won't accept charge
[16:01] <kvarley> It's a shame .. but I was itching for a nexus 10 ;)
[16:02] <brobostigon> :( :)
[16:07] <Myrtti> how long have you left it in the charger?
[16:08] <popey> kvarley: some friends of mine have had their kindle replaced out of warranty
[16:46] <skinofstars> hey guys. don't suppose anyone's got a moment to help me with an apache local development setup? i'm trying to get a projects folder in my home dir that i can edit.
[16:46] <skinofstars> i'm getting a 403
[16:46] <skinofstars> here is my rough setup http://pastebin.com/661Tcaec can anyone spot something wrong?
[16:48] <AlanBell> skinofstars: the apache server (www-data) needs to be able to read the folder concerned
[16:48] <AlanBell> and /home/kevin too
[16:49] <skinofstars> hmm. i created a group with both myself and www-data in it and set that to the projects folder. do i really need to do that for my home folder too?
[16:51] <AlanBell> dunno, it wants to look at the .htaccess there, not quite sure why
[16:53] <skinofstars> no, seems really odd.
[16:54] <skinofstars> ok, i chgrp my home dir to a group that looks like - webdev:x:1002:www-data,kevin
[16:54] <skinofstars> still didn't work
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> skinofstars: should not be necessary
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> skinofstars: Can you put the output of "ls -ld ~" and "ls -ld ~/projects" somewhere?
[16:54] <skinofstars> agreed. i'm sure it didn't have to do this on previous setups
[16:54] <skinofstars> sure
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> I bet ~ doesn't have o+x ("search permissions for others"). www-data = "others"
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> so: "chmod o+x ~; chmod 755 ~/projects" should probably fix it
[16:57] <skinofstars> http://pastebin.com/vdPPYmkr
[16:57] <skinofstars> ok, i'll try that
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> + on your homedir?
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> you enabled POSIX ACLs?
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> you shouldn't need that
[16:57] <skinofstars> this is pretty much a fresh install
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> ok
[16:57] <skinofstars> i've just been using php's inbuilt server
[16:58] <skinofstars> but i'm doing some stuff that needs apache
[17:08] <skinofstars> MartijnVdS: ok, i've made some progress. thanks for your help. what does the + on the homedir mean?
[17:10] <skinofstars> ahh, acl. i'll look that up. thanks
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> skinofstars: it means an ACL is set, check out more using "getfacl ~"
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> (getfacl -> get file ACL)
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> (\o/ 10,5MB/s)
[17:57] <Adriannom> hi.  having trouble getting my wifi card to work.  ubuntu 12.10, lspci says "Network controller: Ralink corp. RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI".  compiled the ralink driver but iwconfig says no wifi card.  anyone have any ideas?
[18:25] <popey> !ralink
[18:25] <popey> Adriannom: ^^ may help
[18:26] <Adriannom> thanks popey
[18:29] <Adriannom> if lspci says "Network controller: Ralink corp. RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI" is it a rt61 card or an rt2500?
[18:30] <Adriannom> cause apparently rt61 shows up as "'Network controller: Ralink Unknown device 0301'"
[18:30] <Adriannom> :s
[19:17] <redtape-renegade> OT | Conference on right now :: http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Live/A
[19:18] <mungbean> anyone had experience of zinio reader on ubuntu?
[19:19] <mungbean> its an adobe air app
[19:19] <mungbean> and a complete fail
[19:20] <ikonia> mungbean: it's not designed for linux
[19:20] <mungbean> no, but its adobe air app
[19:20] <ikonia> yes, I thought air wasn't designed for linux
[19:21] <mungbean> yo ucan still use 2.6 version
[19:21] <ikonia> can use / not desigend
[19:22] <ikonia> I didn't think air was meant for linux
[19:22] <mungbean> yes it was, howver they stopped it recently
[19:22] <mungbean> this zinio stuff is a real fail..DRM sucks
[19:22] <mungbean> my tablet died and i wanted to read my magazines
[19:23] <mungbean> but it downloads them as encrypted pdfs but don't knwo the password
[19:27] <mungbean> do regular android apps work on android x86?
[19:30] <popey> if recompiled
[19:31] <popey> so "no" unless they're FLOSS
[19:32] <Myrtti> I thought Adobe Air for Linux was abandoned so long time ago that it's practically dead
[19:34] <mungbean> thanks popey :(
[19:34] <mungbean> Myrtti: this zinio magazine app is known to work with 2.6 air
[19:35] <ali1234> wat no
[19:35] <mungbean> on other platforms , and ubuntu anecdotally
[19:35] <ali1234> regular android apps work fine on android x86
[19:35] <ali1234> if they use NDK they don't
[19:35] <mungbean> ali1234: what's NDK please
[19:35] <ali1234> but most apps don't use that
[19:35] <ali1234> NDK = native development kit
[19:36] <mungbean> wondering whether to repurpose an old laptop as a magazine reader if the zinio app worked on android x86
[19:36] <SuperMatt> I seem to be having issues with the raring installer
[19:36] <popey> oh yeah
[19:36] <popey> duh
[19:36] <ali1234> a cheezy magazine reader should work fine
[19:36] <SuperMatt> it hangs on the second section
[19:36] <ali1234> high end 3D games probably not
[19:36] <popey> i guess some apps which are natively built wont
[19:36] <popey> yeah, like unity3d things
[19:37] <mungbean> i'd go and check but wifey in bed already
[19:37] <ali1234> yeah. i'm currently trying to build ogre for android
[19:37] <mungbean> and other laptop in the bedroom
[19:37] <ali1234> and SDL
[19:37] <ali1234> it all needs NDK obviously
[19:37] <mungbean> i'm pulling the baby shift 7-2am
[19:38] <ali1234> if you can figure out how to get access to market in the emulator, you can use that
[19:38] <ali1234> it needs hacks though
[19:38] <mungbean> ah
[19:38] <mungbean> nice idea, slow though right/
[19:38] <ali1234> not particularly
[19:38] <ali1234> again, not for a cheezy PDF reader
[19:39] <ali1234> i'm surprised how easily NDK builds work actually
[19:40] <ali1234> somewhat easier to cross build than win32
[19:40] <mungbean> everything would be easier if i could decrpyt these files
[19:40] <mungbean> which is gonna have to happen when the company closes down
[19:40] <ali1234> well never underestimate obvious tricks
[19:41] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh NDK is impressive - I built binutils as a library and tacked it onto an android app
[19:41] <penguin42> well part of it
[19:41] <ali1234> unpack apk, find -exec strings -n 10 \; > passwords.txt, pdfcrack -p passwords.txt my.pdf
[19:42] <ali1234> all commands made up but you get the idea
[19:43] <popey> i was pondering yesterday whether someone could "port" the ubuntu touch preview to the android emulator
[19:43] <ali1234> penguin42: probably i have is that the regular gcc based builds use configure or cmake and thus can build out of tree
[19:44] <popey> so people could test out all the bits on a "native" environment without having a device
[19:44] <ali1234> android build isn't set up to do that, so it messes up the source
[19:44] <mungbean> yeah, would try but my tablet has died containing the pdfs that are cached by the app
[19:44] <popey> mungbean: cant you re-download?
[19:44] <ali1234> popey: that should be very easy indeed
[19:44] <popey> ali1234: hope to it :D
[19:44] <mungbean> popey: maazine delivery is done via their crummy app
[19:44] <ali1234> popey: brunch goldfish
[19:44] <popey> would be really useful to have a script which built the filesystem for the emulator from the daily image
[19:45] <popey> mungbean: 10.04 vm, install air, win
[19:45] <ali1234> emulator is a unique machine type like all the others, it's called goldfish
[19:45] <ali1234> it has own kernel repos and etc
[19:45] <popey> oh, handy
[19:45] <popey> surprised nobody else thought to do this
[19:45] <ali1234> i don't think it is in cyanogen
[19:45] <penguin42> ali1234: I don't get on with cmake; configure from binutils was mostly ok with CC/CXX set to the ndk
[19:45] <popey> the emulator is quite chunky though
[19:45] <ali1234> i thought about it
[19:45] <popey> thought you might ☺
[19:46] <mungbean> popey: i'm purging air and retrying
[19:46] <ali1234> but i think about a lot of things and never do them
[19:46] <popey> me too
[19:46] <ali1234> i figure this is something that someone else will have to do at some point :P
[19:47] <ali1234> i've decided to concentrate on one project
[19:47] <ali1234> that project is finishing raceworld and then selling it
[19:47] <ali1234> hence why i am messing about with NDK
[19:47] <popey> super
[19:48] <ali1234> now when will we get NDK for ubuntu-touch? :P
[19:48] <penguin42> popey: You probably could get it to work on the Android one; but it might be easier to run it on the Linaro Qemu builds
[19:48] <popey> what's the N stand for?
[19:48] <ali1234> native
[19:49] <popey> ahh
[19:49] <popey> we'll allow native apps, sure
[19:49] <ali1234> yes but i need a toolchain
[19:49] <popey> yeah, not sure
[19:49] <ali1234> a proper one
[19:49] <popey> i expect that depend on demand
[19:49] <ali1234> not just "oh, you can install armv7-blahblah" from repos
[19:49] <ali1234> also documentation
[19:50] <ali1234> like how do you wrap native into an "app" that works properly with the phone shell
[19:50] <penguin42> ali1234: as far as the toolchain goes, can you just say what you want beyond installing the cross tools; I guess all the magic to setup the cross libraries etc
[19:51] <ali1234> for ubuntu-touch?
[19:51] <penguin42> nod
[19:51] <ali1234> i want a metapackage like ubuntu-sdk
[19:51] <ali1234> except called ubuntu-ndk
[19:51] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh fair enough
[19:52] <ali1234> and docs
[19:52] <ali1234> lots of docs and examples
[19:52] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh perhaps an example of how to glue some native code into it - I guess that's like adding new things into QML?
[19:52] <ali1234> yeah
[19:52] <ali1234> if that's the way to do it then so be it. examples please
[19:53] <ali1234> however OGRE will be using EGL
[19:53] <ali1234> Qt code should be a minimum
[19:53] <ali1234> if any is needed at all
[19:53] <ali1234> but i have no idea... so... docs please
[19:55] <penguin42> ali1234: I suspect also there is some required docs on what compiler options are required/allowed to work on all Ubuntu touch devices, and what you can rely on
[19:55] <ali1234> yes
[19:55] <ali1234> there's a lot of docs still needed
[19:56] <ali1234> not to worry though, i have plenty of work to do packaging this stuff up for windows and android
[19:56] <ali1234> then i have to actually finish writing the game
[19:57] <penguin42> ali1234: The other thing is android seems to have a few odd things that throw some builds - not quite posixy
[19:57] <ali1234> not a problem
[19:57] <ali1234> ogre and SDL are already "ported" to android
[19:57] <ali1234> the trouble is just figuring out how to combine them in a senseful way
[19:58] <ali1234> they can build individually but i need both in one project
[19:58] <ali1234> and the project also has to build for the other platforms
[19:58]  * penguin42 hands ali1234 a tube of epoxy and a ball of string
[19:58] <ali1234> then i throw it into build server
[19:58] <ali1234> since it's a game it's not using posix stuff
[19:58] <ali1234> not directly anyway
[19:58] <ali1234> OGRE does graphics, SDL does everything else
[19:59] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh I can't quite remember what binutils stuff I hit it was just some normal stuff you might expect that was a bit different
[20:44] <Klettbar>  does anyone know if there are sshd seagate on the market now
[20:44] <Klettbar>  thin
[20:44] <Klettbar>  7mm
[20:44] <Klettbar>  sshd thin
[20:44] <Klettbar>  gen2 but thn
[20:44] <Klettbar> where can i post that question
[20:48] <popey> Klettbar: why do you need 7mm?
[20:49]  * mungbean boils a kettle for earth hour
[20:50] <popey> hah
[20:50] <mungbean> i'm watching dAS boot
[20:50] <mungbean> 4 hr version
[20:51]  * popey is catching up with dexter
[20:52] <mungbean> lt werner looks suspiciously like herr flick. and allo allo was 1 yr later
[20:52] <penguin42> mungbean: Dive!
[20:53] <mungbean> achtung!
[20:53] <popey> Ja!
[20:53] <mungbean> lots of gingers in this
[20:54] <Klettbar> laptop
[20:54] <popey> Klettbar: which laptop out of interest?
[20:54] <Klettbar> it requires 7mm
[20:54] <popey> so does mine, but a 9mm fits
[20:54] <Klettbar> it has shell to cushion
[20:54] <Klettbar> takes space
[20:54] <popey> same here
[20:55] <popey> I just didnt bother installing the rubber shell
[20:55] <Klettbar> with or without cushion
[20:55] <popey> what type of laptop is it?
[20:55] <Klettbar> panasonic cft7
[20:55] <popey> blimey, panasonic still make laptops!
[20:55] <Klettbar> now u can target me and shoot
[20:55] <Klettbar> old one
[20:55] <Klettbar> second hand
[20:56] <Klettbar> i know what yopu mean
[20:56] <Klettbar> you can remove the fancy shell
[20:56] <Klettbar> i think it would work well for ssd
[20:57] <popey> SSDs make everything better
[20:58] <Klettbar> actualy they are
[20:58] <Klettbar> 9.5 mm
[20:58] <popey> hurrah
[20:58] <Klettbar> it was crammed or without problem
[20:59] <popey> i just crammed a 9mm in the bay on my thinkpad x220
[20:59] <popey> works nicely
[20:59] <Klettbar> ssd or hdd
[21:00] <Klettbar> all ssd are mlc
[21:00] <Klettbar> i think they won't last years
[21:00] <Klettbar> not many
[21:00] <Klettbar> i need a criterion not to spend all life on this
[21:01] <Klettbar> what about tossing a coin
[21:01] <mungbean> how much u habe to invest?
[21:01] <mungbean> and is it i/o you need?
[21:02] <popey> i put an ssd in my x220
[21:02] <popey> well, two now
[21:02] <popey> Device Model:     OCZ-VERTEX3
[21:02] <popey> Device Model:     M4-CT256M4SSD3
[21:03] <Klettbar> how do u mean 2
[21:03] <popey> my laptop has an mSATA port
[21:03] <Klettbar> and mine?
[21:03]  * popey shrugs
[21:03] <popey> never seen your laptop ☺
[21:04] <neuro> my ploppenhammer hast ein scarf port!!
[21:05] <neuro> sorry, that's only really funny if said in a comedy German accent
[21:05] <neuro> or maybe Swedish
[21:05] <neuro> evenin mr popey
[21:06] <mungbean> i need gesture control when feeding baby :S
[21:06] <neuro> like a jedi?
[21:07] <mungbean> :)
[21:07] <mungbean> would be helpful. am peckish
[21:09] <Klettbar> how is swedish accent
[21:09] <mungbean> hurdy gurdy
[21:09] <neuro> sorry, ignore that; it was my attempt at being funny
[21:10] <neuro> my problem is that i haven't had a smoke in several hours and i'm getting a bit ... snfosngioengw.
[21:10] <mungbean> nic patches?
[21:10] <mungbean> ecigs?
[21:10] <neuro> pff
[21:10] <mungbean> expensive hobby man
[21:10] <Klettbar> You can insert the PC Card Type I (3.3 mm) or II (5.0 mm) to the PC Card slot.
[21:11] <neuro> this isn't an "i'm giving up cigs" haven't had a smoke, this is an "i'm too lazy to go to the shop" thing
[21:11] <Klettbar> The following types of card are not supported:
[21:11] <Klettbar> PC Card Type III, ZV card, SRAM card, FLASH ROM card (excluding ATA interface type), and other cards that require
[21:11] <Klettbar> 12V of operating voltage.
[21:11] <neuro> wow, pc cards?
[21:11] <mungbean> watched bladerunner final cut the other night
[21:11] <Klettbar> what can i do with pc card type II
[21:11] <mungbean> it rocked
[21:12] <mungbean> store your library card
[21:12] <penguin42> enhance, left ....
[21:12] <Klettbar> good idea
[21:12] <neuro> ohhh blade runner, how i wub thee
[21:12] <neuro> i have bought that movie so many times it's wrong
[21:13] <mungbean> the final cut was on at chrimstas
[21:13] <penguin42> Klettbar: PC Card's are just the new name for PCMCIA - I have a gigE card I found for 99p a few years ago (don't have any use for it - but I have the slot!)
[21:13] <mungbean> i already owned the dir cut
[21:13] <neuro> yup, i have that, twice
[21:13] <neuro> vhs + dvd
[21:13] <neuro> also original theatrical on vhs
[21:13] <penguin42> anyone on +1 who can try a libreoffice bug for me?
[21:13] <neuro> final cut on hd-dvd + blu ray
[21:14] <neuro> and i have the final cut 5 disc dvd tin thing
[21:14] <penguin42> neuro: But no betamax copy?
[21:14] <neuro> never had beta
[21:14] <neuro> i was a vhs kid
[21:14] <mungbean> neuro: with delted scenes and making of
[21:14] <penguin42> neuro: Well with hd-dvd....
[21:14] <neuro> hehe
[21:14] <mungbean> phil k Dick decided decker was not replicant, but ridley scott did
[21:15] <neuro> only reason i have anything in hd-dvd is because i picked up the drive for the xbox plus three discs for 25 quid in gamestation years ago
[21:15] <neuro> mungbean: advice: don't read the sequels
[21:15] <mungbean> nope
[21:15] <neuro> 3 of them, i think
[21:16] <mungbean> ooff
[21:16] <mungbean> i recorded the swedish versions of dargon tatto films
[21:16] <mungbean> realised they are awful
[21:16] <mungbean> delted them
[21:16] <neuro> yup, checked, 3: written by KW Jeter
[21:16] <mungbean> read the books. they are awful too. still read them
[21:17] <neuro> i read BR2
[21:17] <neuro> didn't think much of it
[21:17] <mungbean> life tip: don't read sequels by different authors
[21:17] <neuro> when i read about BR3 and 4, i thought "hmmm, na"
[21:17] <neuro> good tip
[21:17] <neuro> oh re: dragon tattoo, i liked both of them
[21:17] <ali1234> whaaaaaaat
[21:17] <mungbean> there's 3
[21:17] <neuro> .se and .us versions
[21:18] <mungbean> ah
[21:18] <neuro> haven't watched hornets nest or the other one yet
[21:18] <mungbean> watched the 1st.,the 2nd and 3rd were so dreary
[21:18] <mungbean> i deleted them without finishing
[21:18] <neuro> ali1234: whaaaaaaaaaat?!
[21:18] <neuro> mungbean: i don't think i've ever done that
[21:19] <Klettbar> ssd express cards
[21:19] <neuro> i always watch a movie to the end no matter what
[21:19] <ali1234> there are blade runner sequal novels?
[21:19] <Klettbar> i thin they ll be slower than sata
[21:19] <neuro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_Runner#Possible_follow-ups
[21:19] <Klettbar> but if i find one for 99p
[21:19] <mungbean> neuro: not sure i'll get to end of das boot toinght
[21:20] <mungbean> a film must entertain, educate or inspire
[21:20] <mungbean> or make me laugh
[21:20] <mungbean> if none of those then in the bin
[21:20] <Klettbar> what i s+1 ppenguin
[21:20] <Klettbar> is +1
[21:20] <penguin42> Klettbar: Raring
[21:20] <neuro> Klettbar: express card can do 2.5Mbps
[21:20] <penguin42> Klettbar: I.e. the next ubuntu
[21:20] <mungbean> had a snooze around 5pm so i'm not sleeping till 2 at earliest toinght
[21:20] <neuro> errrr
[21:20] <neuro> Gbps, not Mbps
[21:20] <neuro> 2.5Gbps
[21:21] <neuro> penguin42: what's the animal again, I've forgotten?
[21:21] <mungbean> ringtail
[21:22] <neuro> bassariscus asutus
[21:22] <neuro> interesting
[21:23] <mungbean> today is the day for posting fake/doscredited photos on facebook
[21:23] <mungbean> e.g back to the future day, this van is blocked by bollards , etc
[21:23] <neuro> no, you're mistaking that with every day ever
[21:23] <mungbean> today in particular
[21:23] <neuro> pour quois?
[21:23] <mungbean> and my INTJ personality wants to correct them all
[21:24] <neuro> hehe
[21:24] <mungbean> so i do :(
[21:24] <neuro> i get snarked at for pointing at snopes and the like on facebook
[21:24] <mungbean> sometimes i wonder how i found a wife
[21:24] <neuro> "no, no, NO! just read this: <link to snopes> and it'll explain why what you've just posted is nonsense!"
[21:25] <mungbean> http://www.october212015.com/
[21:25] <ali1234> stop going on facebook
[21:25] <neuro> stop going on it?
[21:25] <mungbean> 7 days out of the womb and baby has a virus. thats faster than a win7 pc
[21:26] <neuro> ba dum tsh
[21:26] <Klettbar> stop turning on ur pc
[21:26] <Klettbar> get a life go out
[21:26] <neuro> uh oh
[21:26] <Klettbar> :)
[21:26] <mungbean> yeah its earth hour
[21:26] <mungbean> ive hardly left the house all week
[21:26] <neuro> Klettbar: you realise I can access Facebook from the outside?
[21:27] <neuro> is it earth hour *right now*?
[21:28] <Klettbar> what's a such earth hour
[21:28] <popey> no idea
[21:28] <neuro> or did i miss it again?
[21:28] <Klettbar> left the mouse..you mean?
[21:28] <neuro> Klettbar: http://www.earthhour.org/
[21:29] <mungbean> some gimmick
[21:29] <neuro> cripes, it *is* right now
[21:29] <mungbean> finish in 1 min
[21:30] <sebsebseb> if anyone
[21:30] <neuro> ok, now, not so much
[21:30] <sebsebseb> wants to see RMS talk live, from Libre Planet, now is your chance
[21:30] <popey> Using only free codecs!
[21:30] <neuro> aieeeeeeeee
[21:30] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah the video is in a free format :d
[21:30] <neuro> the bearded one!
[21:30] <mungbean> rms is the every time isnt he?
[21:30]  * sebsebseb met RMS on Thursday, talked to him breifly as well,  coudn't get his signature got refused heh heh
[21:30] <neuro> right, mention of rms is definitely enough to make me want a cig, bbiab
[21:31] <popey> http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Live
[21:31] <sebsebseb> popey: yep and the IRC channels of course
[21:33] <mungbean> rms just losst me
[21:33] <popey> hahahaha crapstore
[21:33] <popey> SO FUNNY!
[21:33] <mungbean> called it the crApp Store
[21:33] <popey> (not)
[21:34] <mungbean> eejit
[21:34] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah, but your from a commerical distro to :d heh heh
[21:34] <mungbean> i might do that in the pub occasionnally but im not a global "ambassador!"
[21:34] <popey> sebsebseb: and?
[21:34] <sebsebseb> popey: not saying I am agaisnt software stores though
[21:35] <ali1234> apps store *are* crap though
[21:35] <mungbean> i think its the aspergers in rms that compels him to do it
[21:35] <sebsebseb> mungbean: what makes you think he has Aspergers?
[21:35] <mungbean> all the signs
[21:36] <sebsebseb> such as?
[21:37] <mungbean> poor social skills, lack of tact or empathy, fixation around a particular cause, strongly polarised vuews, insistence on the gnu/linux, the RIDER, and the toe nail thing
[21:37] <ali1234> empathy isn't the same thing as sympathy
[21:38] <ali1234> just saying
[21:38] <mungbean> correct
[21:38] <mungbean> lack of empathy means he would walk into a room and turn up the air con without regard for anyone already there
[21:39] <ali1234> no, because he might well know what he is doing and just not care
[21:39] <mungbean> or demand things from everyone else to act in a certain way
[21:39] <mungbean> yes, lack of empathy
[21:39] <sebsebseb> popey: DRM should be illegal?
[21:40] <sebsebseb> do you think so?
[21:40] <popey> sebsebseb: hmm?
[21:40] <mungbean> because if he's cold then he should think - how about others, are they comfortable now?
[21:40] <sebsebseb> popey: or do you think it's good that it's on driving thorey CD's for example
[21:40] <sebsebseb> popey: oh your not watching it anymore?
[21:40] <ali1234> why?
[21:40] <popey> i am watching / listening while making pancakes
[21:40] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[21:40] <popey> but I dont quite understand why you're asking me that
[21:41] <popey> and damnit I have run out of flour
[21:41] <sebsebseb> popey: since what he said his opinion
[21:41] <sebsebseb> I was wondering about yours
[21:41] <popey> my opinion doesn't matter
[21:42] <ali1234> neither does RMS
[21:42] <ali1234> but here we are
[21:43] <popey> and what a great success the openmoko was
[21:44] <mungbean> rms is a necessary boundary at the extreme miitant end of the free software spectrum
[21:44] <popey> oh this will be good
[21:44] <ali1234> i get kind of tired of hearing how terrible RMS is and how he does nothing for free software from people who do absolutely nothing for free software
[21:45] <popey> parabolic antenna on your head
[21:45] <sebsebseb> ali1234: he woudn't give me his signature since. wasn't asking for it in a very good way
[21:45] <sebsebseb> ali1234: ,but after seeing his talk on Thursday, and then chatting to him breifly after
[21:45] <sebsebseb> well he seems ok
[21:45] <mungbean> if rms didnt exist they would gave to invent him
[21:49] <mungbean> "DO NOT WRITE ON DOORS"
[21:49] <mungbean> subliminal message
[21:53] <mungbean> anything good in the kindle book sale?
[21:54] <ali1234> "RMS sets a terrible example for FOSS movement. now excuse me while i go buy DRM ebooks from amazon and play angry birds on my iphone"
[21:54] <popey> hah
[21:54] <sebsebseb> ali1234: not FOSS as such
[21:54] <sebsebseb> ali1234: he's  free software
[21:54] <sebsebseb> ali1234: he doesn't like the term open source
[21:55] <sebsebseb> he doesn't like the word open in general
[21:55] <penguin42> sebsebseb: It's often misused in the way that 'democratic' is misued in country names
[21:56] <ali1234> but free software is by definition open source, so i don't care what he thinks
[21:56] <sebsebseb> more like free software and open source are similar
[21:56] <sebsebseb> free software is more about the moral advantages gained by the code being availalbe
[21:56] <sebsebseb> open source is more of a development model, and started by corporate people etc to save mone yetc
[21:56] <sebsebseb> plus if you say free people think price usauly
[21:56] <mungbean> ali1234: if you're talking about me, i never said that
[21:56] <sebsebseb> not free as in freedom, and then what that means
[21:57] <ali1234> mungbean: no i'm more having a dig at popey :)
[21:57] <mungbean> i think RMS is a necessary character, and also a bit of a jerk sometimes
[21:57] <sebsebseb> open source can be clearer to explain for those reasons though
[21:57] <popey> ☺
[21:57] <daubers> so I want to run a project management thing with versioning on a server at home, other than Trac, does anyone have any suggestions of software to use?
[21:57] <mungbean> he's undiplomatic and there could be a better ambassador in his place
[21:58] <sebsebseb> mungbean: he's 60 now
[21:58] <mungbean> but as a spokesman for digital freedom, then the message needs to be out there
[21:58] <mungbean> DRM sucks
[21:58] <mungbean> as indicated by my zinio problems earlier
[21:59] <shauno> zinio can die in fire :/
[21:59] <mungbean> but we have 2 choices, 1) don't buy 2) buy reluctantly (and maybe complain) but until there's 3) use a free vendor then what to do?
[21:59] <ali1234> there are plenty of people who are much better "ambassadors"
[21:59] <ali1234> for example jim zemlin
[22:00] <sebsebseb> ali1234: Linus Torvalds doesn't impress me with his swearing
[22:00] <mungbean> well he can be a jerk too
[22:00] <mungbean> so can I
[22:00] <ali1234> he's not out to impress anyone
[22:00] <sebsebseb> ali1234: I don't think you need to swear like he does, publically
[22:01] <ali1234> i am an adult and i can deal with it
[22:01] <sebsebseb> ali1234: sure, but still
[22:01] <mungbean> scandies tend to swear a LOT
[22:01] <mungbean> in my experience
[22:01] <sebsebseb> mungbean:not so sure about that, as a half Sweed
[22:01] <sebsebseb> altough lived in England most of my life so
[22:02] <ali1234> and here's another hot topic
[22:02] <mungbean> ali1234: is he back on? i closed it
[22:02] <sebsebseb> mungbean: sound gone off
[22:02] <sebsebseb> on it
[22:02] <sebsebseb> people moving about still though
[22:04] <ali1234> mungbean: no, criticism of linus
[22:04] <popey> where "hot topic" means "things that annoy ali1234"?
[22:04] <ali1234> yes
[22:05] <popey> ok
[22:05] <ali1234> things that usually turn into an argument
[22:05] <sebsebseb> ali1234: Linus  is so so speical, really?  no not quite
[22:05] <ali1234> this whole "nerds have bad social skills" meme
[22:05] <ali1234> it's not true
[22:05] <sebsebseb> ali1234: I guess we would have been using Hurd instead if L inux hadn't come along
[22:05] <sebsebseb> for a start
[22:05] <sebsebseb> or BSD maybe?
[22:06] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Yeh sure the Hurd will be ready by 2038...
[22:06] <sebsebseb> and LInus fusses a lot about which desktop envrionment he is using and such publically
[22:06] <sebsebseb> as well
[22:06] <sebsebseb> and what disro at times ossbily even
[22:06] <mungbean> not surprised
[22:06] <ali1234> so what?
[22:06] <sebsebseb> which people generally like following, but yeah there we go he's like the rest of us for that
[22:06] <sebsebseb> like the rest of us, he has to pick a distro, and what to use in it
[22:06] <ali1234> that's what a normal person would do
[22:06] <mungbean> if i was linus i would be annoyed at the gnome guys
[22:06] <shauno> it's getting there.  hurd actually has sata support now!
[22:07] <sebsebseb> mungbean: GNOME 3.8 has some itneresting improvement it seemsems
[22:07] <sebsebseb> going by sites etc
[22:07] <sebsebseb> I trieed to vm a development ISO ,but issues, reminds I will try  again with the later one
[22:07] <sebsebseb> I guess
[22:07] <mungbean> if so, then its a U turn
[22:07] <sebsebseb> or just burn to CD, anyway March 27th is final release
[22:08] <mungbean> elementary desktop ticks all my boxes now
[22:08] <ali1234> the problem is that people like linus and RMS have been elevated to personalities by the people currently trying to push "openness"
[22:09] <mungbean> in the same way as gnome2+docky used to
[22:09] <ali1234> shock horror, they're just normal people with opinions and bad habits
[22:09] <mungbean> yes
[22:09] <sebsebseb> ali1234: they get looked up to etc, if that's what you mean
[22:09] <popey> ahhh docky
[22:09] <popey> and awn
[22:09] <popey> happy days
[22:09] <sebsebseb> ali1234: people are like, oh wo LInus does thsi, oh wow RMS does that
[22:09] <sebsebseb> ali1234: if that's what you mean?
[22:09] <ali1234> yes. why do people do that?
[22:10] <mungbean> role models
[22:10] <sebsebseb> ali1234: indeed he's like anyone else really, when not doing his software stuff if you like
[22:10] <sebsebseb> ali1234: RMS that is
[22:10] <sebsebseb> I mean I met him on Thursday saw a talk and etc as I already put
[22:10] <mungbean> where was that sebsebseb
[22:10] <sebsebseb> Bath
[22:11] <sebsebseb> University
[22:11] <mungbean> i was gonna say
[22:11] <sebsebseb> what you knew about that or?
[22:11] <mungbean> doesn't look like he's had one
[22:11] <sebsebseb> uh been to uni as a student you mean or?
[22:12] <mungbean> no i was just making obvious joke about baths and RMS
[22:12] <ali1234> does anyone remember that harry enfield sketch?
[22:12] <mungbean> i like how there's a book called "get rich blogging"
[22:12] <ali1234> "you don't want to do it like that"
[22:13] <mungbean> page 1 : write a book about blogging, and sell it
[22:13] <mungbean> get rich stuffing envelopes: send £10 in an envelope to this address
[22:13] <ali1234> people who criticise open source are just like that guy
[22:14] <mungbean> what u mean criticise open source?
[22:14] <mungbean> the devs or the dev model, or the actual software
[22:14] <ali1234> the people who say "RMS/linus are terrible role models"
[22:15] <mungbean> well, everyone's an armchair football manager
[22:15] <mungbean> they can all pick a team better than arsene wenger
[22:15] <ali1234> where were they 15 years ago when free software was not trendy?
[22:15] <mungbean> or so they thinik
[22:16] <mungbean> mac is trendy, is OSS?
[22:17] <ali1234> yes, extremely
[22:17] <popey> compared to 15 years ago, yes
[22:17] <popey> Oh, are we still having a dig at me btw?
[22:17] <ali1234> massively so
[22:17] <popey> (just so I know)
[22:17] <mungbean> must be the drink talking
[22:17] <ali1234> popey: sort of :)
[22:18] <popey> ok
[22:18]  * popey thinks back 15 years
[22:18] <mungbean> i was installing my first distro 15 years ago
[22:18] <mungbean> on a corporate server \o/
[22:18] <ali1234> were you complaining abut linus and RMS back then?
[22:18] <ali1234> if so, you turned out to be wrong
[22:19] <mungbean> i'm not complaining about them. (not sure if aimed at popey ornot)
[22:19] <popey> I was working on SAP
[22:19] <popey> I think.
[22:20] <ali1234> and another thing
[22:20] <mungbean> i noticed a windows8 for dummies. onthe front cover it said "20 books in 1 book". no , they are chapters you dummy
[22:21] <ali1234> sexism in computing
[22:21] <ali1234> another hot topic
[22:21] <mungbean> lol at whats coming
[22:21] <mungbean> that story
[22:21] <mungbean> my guess is she was anti beard. they were the only beareded guys
[22:21] <ali1234> i content that this is a problem which has been brought by the newcomers
[22:22] <shauno> 15 years ago, I was still using linux on the desktop  (in the losest sense, sans-X, but it was my desktop)
[22:22] <ali1234> 15 years ago free software was only for the people so uncool that nobody cared what they thought or did
[22:22] <mungbean> the most sexist guys at my workplace are the neckbeards. anecdotal evidence only
[22:23] <mungbean> one of them has been trolling and being sexist for the last 40 years
[22:23] <mungbean> not just jokes but he truly believes the girl in the team is incapable of advanced tasks
[22:23]  * popey wonders if ali1234  is on the linux elitest mailing list
[22:23] <penguin42> hey just because I have a mile long beard it doesn't make me sexist
[22:23] <mungbean> so gives her the tedious stuff and keeps the interesting stuff for him and his chubby mate
[22:24] <ali1234> popey: i am not elite enough to know what the mailing list is
[22:24] <mungbean> one of the neckbeards is clean shaven
[22:24] <ali1234> but this is kind of the problem
[22:24] <ali1234> suddenly, if you were using linux 15 years ago, you are elite
[22:24] <ali1234> 15 years ago it meant you were a sad git
[22:24] <ali1234> what changed?
[22:24] <popey> http://zgp.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-elitists
[22:24] <ali1234> not the sad gits that's for sure
[22:24] <ali1234> and i'm not sure why anyone thinks they would
[22:25] <mungbean> if you were using linux 15 years ago it was because sun boxes were expensive :P
[22:25] <penguin42> hmm, lets see I think 19 years here :-)
[22:25] <ali1234> like, to expect them to suddenly turn into rock stars is ... well, why would anyone expect that?
[22:25] <mungbean> RMS has a rock star li8festyle, sleeping on couches and international flight to gigs
[22:25] <mungbean> just don't buy him a parrot
[22:26] <ali1234> we should start sending him toy parrots
[22:26] <ali1234> LOADS of them
[22:26] <mungbean> rock stars and footballers are the wprst role models
[22:26] <ali1234> wouldn't it be funny if every day he got like 100 stuffed parrot toys delivered?
[22:26] <mungbean> and politicians are worse still
[22:27] <ali1234> anyway, model citizens let's say
[22:28] <popey> 1002:68b8 - whats the best driver to use for those?
[22:28] <popey> ATI card
[22:28] <popey> on ubuntu 12.04
[22:29] <mungbean> 129 for a kindle fire, thats dirt cheap
[22:29] <mungbean> oh, 139 without ads
[22:30] <mungbean> hate the UI though
[22:32] <ali1234> nobody actually posts on linux-elitists
[22:32] <ali1234> this does not really surprise me in that old school linux users are not elitist at all
[22:32] <ali1234> they generally don't attempt to impose unrealistic standards of behaviour on each other
[22:33] <ali1234> and in fact generally could not care less what anyone else does
[22:35] <mungbean> launcher takes so long to launch, if i accidentally hit super-tab instead of alt-tab, i think my cimputer is frozen
[22:51] <bigcalm> Evening peeps :)
[22:52] <mungbean> ciao
[22:52] <popey> yo
[22:57] <bigcalm> Slept from 6 to 9.30. Missed tea. What do I do now?
[22:58] <mungbean> fry  up
[22:58]  * bigcalm drinks more from his ale
[23:01] <bigcalm> Mmmm, tempting
[23:01] <bigcalm> Don't think my better half would approve though
[23:05] <shauno> you slept until beer o'clock.  and now you worry about your SO approval rating?
[23:06] <mungbean> i just had tinned strawbs and choc custard
[23:11] <mungbean> oohh, zinio reader now working with an older adobe air 2.5 version
[23:11] <mungbean> can't find the downloaded pdfs though
[23:49] <MooDoo> evening all
[23:50] <neuro> I HAVE CIGARETTES \o/
[23:50] <neuro> i caught a bit of rms before i went out
[23:51] <neuro> saw the "crap store" dig too
[23:51] <MooDoo> did Tim Cook kill a kitten ;)
[23:51] <neuro> to me it's like a 12 year old saying "MICRO$OFT", it's childish
[23:52] <neuro> MooDoo: nah, just rms being his usual self
[23:52] <MooDoo> he'll never change
[23:52] <neuro> remember, this is the guy who basically said "i'm not happy that Steve Jobs is dead, but I'm happy he's gone"
[23:53] <MooDoo> yeah I remember
[23:53] <neuro> i know he'll never change
[23:53] <neuro> i just hope that he becomes less relevant
[23:53] <neuro> i'm not even sure what rms actually does these days, other than roam the planet attempting to evangelise
[23:54] <MooDoo> think you hit the nail on the head
[23:54] <neuro> there are hundreds, if not thousands of better evangelists than him in the floss community, and they all *do* stuff *as well as* evangelise
[23:54] <neuro> they actually contribute constructively
[23:54] <neuro> either by talking, coding, shepherding or writing
[23:55] <neuro> or supporting
[23:55] <neuro> i never see evidence of rms doing this now
[23:55] <MooDoo> he just walks, talks and occasionally plays the recorder lol
[23:55] <neuro> it's a shame, as what he built is an epic thing
[23:55] <neuro> don't forget the hard disk platter on the head
[23:56] <MooDoo> well he'll never be forgotten that's for sure
[23:56] <neuro> oh absolutely
[23:57] <neuro> imagine if linux had been developed under, say, a BSD licence
[23:57] <shauno> that's why I quit donating to the fsf.  feels like they just troll now
[23:57] <neuro> not sure it would have managed to attract as much attention as it has
[23:57] <mungbean> can anyone see inside thiss file? http://ubuntuone.com/3AG5RuI3DeDR9LE0dN1YhP
[23:57] <mungbean> it's a page from zinio magazine
[23:57] <mungbean> allegedly a swf but i'm not sure
[23:58] <MooDoo> people will eventually stop listening....
[23:58] <mungbean> the app saves a low res jpg and then when u zoom it uses something else
[23:58] <neuro> wget says it's application/x-shockwave-flash
[23:58] <neuro> chrome just gives me a blank page
[23:59] <MooDoo> same in FF
[23:59] <neuro> i presume it's an swf loaded by a master flash app
[23:59] <mungbean> yeah me too
[23:59] <mungbean> sucks
[23:59] <neuro> strings just throws out garbage


[02:07] <Angretlam> Hello, all.
[18:53] <mehmet> a simple question: since i've always used windows since my first contact with a computer, i don't know how to start the music application(-s) of ubuntu studio. can anyone help me ?
[21:45] <jetamkadlec> hello
[22:25] <ubuntu-studio> hello
[22:27] <ubuntu-studio> guuzs
[22:27] <ubuntu-studio> guys


[15:11] <nebuchadnezzar> hello
[15:13] <cyphermox> nebuchadnezzar: hello
[15:15] <nebuchadnezzar> I have an issue trying to install a trusty tahr from usb stick, I dd an hybride ISO, which create 2 partitions on my usb stick, at boot, /dev/sdb2 is mounted under /media, and the cdrom can not be mounted until I manually unmount /media in console 2
[15:18] <nebuchadnezzar> any idea?
[17:30] <cyphermox> nebuchadnezzar: not just like that. is it an actual cdrom or just the representation of the install media from /dev/sdb2?