[02:06] <foniz> 요즘은 노트북도 30만원 정도면 살수 있나 보군요  ^_^
[02:11] <eigenjin> 노투북이요? 넷북아니구요? 중고 말씀하시는 건가요?
[02:16] <foniz> 넷북인가요? 노트북과 넷북 좀 차이가 있나보군요 ^_^
[02:36] <fudoyusei> 옛 버젼
[02:36] <fudoyusei> 흠;;
[02:38] <foniz> 이젠 컴도 소모품인 시대가 되어가는군요 ㅜㅜ
[02:53] <Seony^Work> 여기 혹시 맥서버 관리하시는 분(은 없겠죠)?
[03:31] <uni4dfx_> hello... anyone here? :)
[03:32] <eigenjin> yes, it is
[03:32] <uni4dfx_> i have a question, but it's a bit off-topic :P
[03:33] <Seony^Work> if about gaming account...
[03:33] <uni4dfx_> no no
[03:33] <Seony^Work> oh ok. good
[03:33] <uni4dfx_> i have a very poor friend in korea, and i would like to buy her a christmas present
[03:34] <uni4dfx_> so i'm trying to find some korean website that would enable me to do this
[03:34] <Seony^Work> ebay can ship to korea
[03:34] <uni4dfx_> yeah but it's gonna take forever
[03:34] <fudoyusei> uni4dfx_ hi
[03:35] <uni4dfx_> fudoyusei: hello
[03:35] <Seony^Work> uni4dfx_: give me one sec
[03:35] <fudoyusei> uni4dfx_ nice to sse you
[03:35] <uni4dfx_> fudoyusei: nice to see you too :)
[03:35] <fudoyusei> uni4dfx_ Do you like ubuntu?
[03:36] <uni4dfx_> fudoyusei: it's my primary OS, yup
[03:36] <Seony^Work> uni4dfx_: i'm not sure this website is gonna be helpful for you.... http://english.gmarket.co.kr/
[03:36] <fudoyusei> female clother..
[03:36] <uni4dfx_> oh this looks good
[03:36] <uni4dfx_> let me check
[03:36] <Seony^Work> uni4dfx_: and, http://www.lifeinkorea.com/Shopping/products.cfm
[03:37] <Seony^Work> lifeinkorea should be better for you.
[03:38] <uni4dfx_> are you sure it's not US-based?
[03:38] <Seony^Work> gmarket is a totally local korean website.
[03:38] <Seony^Work> but i'm not sure the lifeinkorea.com
[03:39] <uni4dfx_> damn i wish i could speak korean
[03:39] <uni4dfx_> i'm trying to find the narnia books in english :D
[03:39] <Seony^Work> don't you have any korean friend?
[03:40] <uni4dfx_> i have some, but they're unavailable now
[03:42] <Seony^Work> oh... let me give you one more website
[03:42] <uni4dfx_> thanks
[03:44] <Seony^Work> what you want to buy is... books? or...
[03:45] <uni4dfx_> books, correct
[03:46] <uni4dfx_> hmm is everbooks.co.kr local?
[03:47] <Seony^Work> usually co.kr domain is for local but this site looks...
[03:47] <Seony^Work> it's kinda foreign language books
[03:47] <uni4dfx_> yeah, that's why i'm unsure
[03:48] <Seony^Work> hmm most websites don't support english.
[03:49] <uni4dfx_> i guess i'll figure out the registration & payment process (i can do some basic hangul reading)
[03:50] <Seony^Work> hmm, you better get some help from your korean friends.
[03:50] <Seony^Work> local shopping websites don't support english.
[03:51] <Seony^Work> payment should be no problem if you have visa or master card.
[03:52] <uni4dfx_> yep
[03:52] <uni4dfx_> i just need to find some local site that has the 7 narnia books in english
[03:53] <Seony^Work> all online book shopping malls have them but only problem is, you can't read Korean. lol
[03:54] <Seony^Work> you don't have to worry to buy and ship books, but for registering membership you should get help.
[03:57] <uni4dfx_> alright well thanks for the help :)
[03:57] <uni4dfx_> maybe i'll come back tomorrow
[03:57] <uni4dfx_> cya!
[03:58] <Seony^Work> ok. let me know
[08:39] <foniz> shriekout님 김프에 연구할만한 물음 올려 놨어요
[13:24] <shriekout> -ㅅ-


[20:50] <domc> Hi all, multiple attempts to create a sample charm using "charm create simple" are failing with a Python "TypeError: a bytes-like object is required, not 'str'" in /snap/charm/158/usr/lib/python3.5/tempfile.py". Any suggestions?
[20:51] <domc> I have even gone as far as a fresh OS install (Ubuntu 16.04) and then reinstalling snapd and charm, no luck
[20:52] <domc> Would be very grateful for some help or tips.
[20:55] <domc> Or maybe even a sign of life really...


[10:11] <nicoz-> hi everyone
[10:23] <Unit193> nicoz-: Anything we can help you with?
[18:06] <hggdh> kick nicoz- again, please do not idle in this channel


[12:58] <gardengnome> Daviey: pong
[01:00] <Daviey> hey
[01:00] <gardengnome> :)
[01:00] <gardengnome> sup?
[01:00] <Daviey> How's the mythweb stuff going?
[01:01] <Daviey> From what i heard you talking about - are you adding htaccess? :)
[01:01] <gardengnome> for svn? i haven't had time/incentive ;) to work on it more. it *should* be working, but i haven't tried it yet completely because i coudln't get a feisty vm running
[01:01] <gardengnome> no
[01:01] <gardengnome> although that'd be a good idea.
[01:01] <gardengnome> shouldn't be too hard
[01:02] <Daviey> I think that would be great - it's crazy not having htaccess already!
[01:02] <gardengnome> yup
[01:02] <Daviey> if you google, there are lots of unsecured mythwebs!
[01:02] <gardengnome> i thought it was in place already till i installed feisty.
[01:03] <gardengnome> heh
[01:03] <Daviey> What's new in svn mythweb?
[01:03] <gardengnome> true
[01:03] <gardengnome> um
[01:03] <gardengnome> there's a new editor for the settings table AFAIK
[01:03] <gardengnome> the mp3act code is there for mythmusic, although i dunno if that wasn't in 0.20 already
[01:04] <grndslm> you guys ever use lvm?
[01:04] <gardengnome> i haven't had a chance to take a closer look because the main board in the myth box broke and i just can't be bothered to replace it at the moment.
[01:04] <Daviey> grndslm, yeah
[01:05] <gardengnome> Daviey: oh, streaming support is improved. if you provide your own flash video player, you can even have something like youtube.
[01:05] <grndslm> Daviey:  have you ever had a problem with myth filling up the drive?
[01:05] <gardengnome> Daviey: in 0.21, mythweb will come with its own flash player :)
[01:05] <Daviey> gardengnome, Are you adding your new mythweb packages to universe?
[01:05] <grndslm> Daviey:  the 2 drives i was using are apparently full now, and i can't mount the logical volume anymore...
[01:05] <grndslm> :-(
[01:06] <Daviey> grndslm, hmm - set myth to autoexpire, and leave free space :)
[01:06] <gardengnome> Daviey: no. svn trunk packages don't belong into universe. they need to be kept well-hidden in a separate repository
[01:06] <grndslm> Daviey:  it was set to do that
[01:06] <grndslm> and leave at least a gig or two free, but...it didn't listen
[01:06] <gardengnome> Daviey: if i get around to making the htaccess stuff happen, i'm sure these changes will propagate to universe :)
[01:06] <Daviey> grndslm, is it a permissions problem?
[01:06] <grndslm> Daviey:  no, i'd catch something like that
[01:07] <Daviey> gardengnome, do you want a hand adding htaccess?
[01:07] <gardengnome> mythtv tends to fill up my hard disk as well although i told it to leave space free. it's probably mythtranscode who doesn't respect this, or some temp files might interfere
[01:07] <Daviey> grndslm, and it won't let you _mount_ it?
[01:07] <grndslm> pvdisplay (or was it lvdisplay) kept saying that both drives are full...
[01:07] <grndslm> i'm not at the computer now, internet's down at my apt...
[01:08] <gardengnome> Daviey: no, i really should learn debconf. that's a good opportunity
[01:08] <Daviey> gardengnome, good stuff!  look forward to seeing it
[01:08] <grndslm> Daviey: yes, a simple mount /dev/BigVG/Filez /archive should have done it...but kept saying bad superblock or whatever the crappy mount error is
[01:08] <gardengnome> Daviey: if i don't talk to you till sunday or so, please feel free to bug me again about it. i've promised a lot of things already but real life keeps interfering.
[01:08] <gardengnome> the svn packages themselves already look quite good, though
[01:09] <gardengnome> new GF is time consuming. heh. :)
[01:09] <Daviey> grndslm, might be worth running fsck
[01:09] <grndslm> Daviey:  and if that doesn't work?
[01:09] <Daviey> gardengnome, you need to lock yourself in a room (soundproof'd)
[01:09] <grndslm> there's no way i can mount it...and i'd have to start over?
[01:10] <Daviey> grndslm, to be honest - i can't be too much help - it 'just works' here
[01:10] <gardengnome> Daviey: that's no fun :)
[01:10] <Daviey> grndslm, should be recoverable tho
[01:10] <gardengnome> ok, i got to go. it's 1am here
[01:10] <grndslm> Daviey:  yea, i know what ya mean...not sure why myth let it overflow
[01:11] <Daviey> grndslm, might sound obv. but have you tried googling the exact error message's your receiving?
[01:11] <Daviey> gardengnome, nn
[01:11] <grndslm> Daviey:  that's the thing...don't have internet at the mythbox anymore
[01:12] <grndslm> but only errors i got basically said logical volume was full, and the typically regular mount superblock error
[01:14] <Daviey> Are you definitely mounting the vg?
[01:14] <Daviey> ie /dev/vg/storage
[01:14] <grndslm> yup
[01:14] <grndslm> Daviey: it was mounting fine in fstab up until i got back from my vacation
[01:15] <Daviey> and vgscan definitely showed it ok?
[01:17] <Daviey> no mention of locking failure?
[01:39] <Daviey> hey superm1
[01:39] <superm1> Hi Daviey
[01:40] <Daviey> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5114 Yah!
[01:40] <superm1> awesome
[01:40] <Daviey> :)
[01:41] <superm1> did keescook upload too then?
[01:44] <Daviey> superm1, got an initial font pack up'd to revu
[01:44] <superm1> awesome already?
[01:45] <superm1> that was quick!
[01:45] <Daviey> I'm doing two packages.  Red Hat has released 'liberty' fonts - so i made a deb for them
[01:45] <Daviey> then i'll make another that depends on that
[01:45] <Daviey> the other package being the symlinks
[01:45] <Daviey> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5158
[01:46] <Daviey> had to issue a .patch as i named it -ubuntu1 rather than -0ubuntu1
[01:47] <superm1> ah
[01:47] <superm1> what package were you going to make to depend on this?
[01:48] <superm1> i see a potential problem having the License.txt in two places
[01:48] <superm1> its in debian and in the root
[01:48] <superm1> for the src package
[01:48] <Daviey> grr
[01:48] <Daviey> where should it be?
[01:48] <superm1> well it just shouldnt be in debian/
[01:48] <superm1> since its not used for building
[01:49] <superm1> these are intended to replace what fonts particularly?
[01:49] <superm1> do you know
[01:50] <Daviey> yeah, wait 1
[01:50] <superm1> also, if your not doing any symlinks in this package, you won't need dh_link
[01:50] <Daviey> Times New Roman, Arial and Courier New
[01:51] <superm1> are there any others provided by msttcorefonts?
[01:51] <superm1> also you dont want the COPYING file in debian/
[01:51] <Daviey> okay, i'll sort that
[01:51] <superm1> well i was going to say
[01:52] <Daviey> msttcoreconts has webdings and comic sans - not sure they are easily replaceable
[01:52] <superm1> just in this package do the fake-msttcorefonts business
[01:52] <Daviey> well ttf-liberation deserves it's own package as it should be able to co-exsist with msttcoreconts
[01:52] <superm1> you could just make two binary packages out of it though
[01:52] <superm1> a ttf-liberation
[01:52] <superm1> and a fake-msttcorefonts
[01:52] <superm1> and fake-msttcorefonts would conflict with msttcorefonts
[01:53] <superm1> but depend on ttf-liberation
[01:53] <Daviey> (that's what i was planning :)
[01:53] <superm1> but i'm saying do it right out of this source package
[01:53] <superm1> dont bother with two source packages
[01:54] <Daviey> I was doing it seperate as fake-msttcorefonts will probably need more future maintaince
[01:55] <superm1> you mean because of comic sans and webdings?
[01:55] <Daviey> yeah
[01:55] <Daviey> & impact
[01:55] <Daviey> Andale Mono
[01:56] <superm1> you see this: http://mondaybynoon.com/2007/04/02/linux-font-equivalents-to-popular-web-typefaces/
[01:56] <Daviey> Comic Sans MS, Tahoma, Trebuchet &Verdana
[01:56] <Daviey> That's a good site
[01:57] <Daviey> I started trying to find my own simialars
[01:57] <Daviey> and had some quite good success
[01:57] <superm1> considering a lot of those others are shipped already though
[01:57] <superm1> you might be able to do the fake-msttcorefonts right in this package
[01:57] <superm1> or depend on a few other font packages at least
[01:58] <Daviey> yeah
[01:58] <superm1> keescook, thx for the revu and +1.  Did you upload it as well?
[01:58] <superm1> oh Daviey, i talked to DaveMorris a bit today.  Made some progress last night on glade
[01:58] <superm1> for ubiquity
[01:59] <superm1> i have all the gui done, but i'm having a hard time merging it with the existing ubiquity.glade
[01:59] <Daviey> I thought liberation fonts deserved it's own package anyway - but fake-msttcorefonts might need some fonts it it aswell
[01:59] <Daviey> superm1, i know - i read the log - i was online, just not in this chan... DaveMorris didn't tell me until after grr
[01:59] <keescook> superm1: sorry, I didn't.  I wanted to check with another revu'er before pulling the trigger.  I'm still shy from getting slapped a few weeks back.  ;)
[01:59] <superm1> hehe
[01:59] <superm1> understandable
[02:00] <superm1> well keescook one more for you if you get a few moments:  mythbuntu-artwork-usplash.  http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=5140  rogue780|mythsvr got some nice new artwork together.  See http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/mythbuntu_bootup.jpg for it live in action :)
[02:01] <keescook> nice.  :)
[02:01] <superm1> keescook, what package did Mithrandir slap you for ?
[02:01] <Daviey> superm1, i tried the usplash on my 16:10 screen and it didn't look too bad - but slightly out of proportion
[02:02] <keescook> mythtv and the /home/mythtv stuff I didn't see in the one update.
[02:02] <superm1> oh right
[02:02] <superm1> that was a few months ago though, not a few weeks :)
[02:02] <superm1> sorry for not realizing myself about what debian rules said
[02:02] <superm1> didnt mean for you to get slapped :(
[02:05] <Daviey> superm1, usplash - just tried installing it on my edgy mythbox and it is still ubuntu official :s
[02:05] <superm1> Daviey, that's odd...
[02:05] <superm1> but its fine on feisty
[02:06] <superm1> (and) gutsy
[02:06] <Daviey> hmm - might become a problem if we backport
[02:06] <superm1> well i wasn't planning to backport it
[02:06] <superm1> but its good to know there isnt even an option :)
[02:10] <Daviey> nice..... manually installing it works - looks great eh!
[02:12] <superm1> keescook, thx for the other quick revu :).  No changes were made to the .c, so I didnt put down my name on it as copyright
[02:13] <keescook> ah, excellent.  I suspected, but couldn't tell.  :)
[02:14] <keescook> I'll see what others think, and when I'm slightly bolder, I'll get them uploaded if other REVUrs agree too
[02:14] <superm1> as you can see that one has been around the block to lots of revu'ers too :)
[02:17] <superm1> Daviey, every time i make progress on this glade file, glade-3 decides to get unstable
[02:18] <superm1> i swear i need to save each time i make the smallest "wink" of progress.
[02:18] <Daviey> haha
[02:18] <Daviey> what designer are you using?
[02:19] <superm1> glade 3.2.0
[02:19] <superm1> comes in the glade-3 package
[02:19] <superm1> do you know of others?
[02:19] <Daviey> not really
[02:19] <Daviey> 3.2.1 has been released tho
[02:20] <Daviey> fixes "Workaround for inputdialog crashes (bug 433975) - Juan Pablo Ugarte"
[02:21] <superm1> is that a debian bug 433975?
[02:21] <superm1> or gnome bug 433975
[02:21] <ubotu> Gnome bug 433975 in general "crash in Glade Interface Designer: Changed selection from D..." [Critical,New]  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=433975
[02:21] <superm1> nope thats not my common crash
[02:22] <superm1> mine is when deleting labels
[02:25] <Daviey> have they still not added a 'preview' option to glade?!
[02:25] <superm1> well its a gui designer, but no no previews
[02:26] <superm1> i've got a pretty good idea of what its supposed to look like though when i'm doing the design
[02:29] <superm1> ooh i think i finally understand what i need to do
[02:29] <superm1> things in a gtknotebook need to be pasted in the order they will show up
[02:29] <superm1> the position parameter has no bearing on location
[02:29] <superm1> just the order it appears in the xml file
[02:30] <Daviey> ah
[02:32] <superm1> well i for one think that is dumb, but whatever.  as long as it works
[02:33] <Daviey> either that or my connection is slow
[02:34] <superm1> its huge again
[02:34] <superm1> 70 megs
[02:34] <superm1> i dont know how...
[02:34] <superm1> its not binaries this time
[02:34] <superm1> i think its because ubiquity's source is 30 something megs
[02:37] <Daviey> i thought bzr only kept diffs as history.. maybe not
[02:37] <superm1> it was 70 megs after the first upload
[02:37] <Daviey> It's annoying that you can't just co head - i don't need revision history atm
[02:38] <superm1> ye ai know
[02:38] <superm1> 42 of it is .bzr directory
[02:38] <superm1> supermario@portablemario:~/Software/source/mythbuntu/.bzr$ du -sh
[02:38] <superm1> 42M     .
[02:41] <Daviey>  /mythbuntu/ubiquity/src/ubiquity-1.4.1mythbuntu1/ubiquity/frontend/ubiquity.glade  <---- is that what your editing?
[02:41] <superm1> Yes
[02:41] <superm1> its been a long process to edit it too...
[02:44] <Daviey> superm1, before you go to work tomorrow - can you commit?   I won't work on it, but i would like to see it
[02:44] <Daviey> :)
[02:44] <superm1> Of course
[02:44] <superm1> i wanted to have it commited by now actually,
[02:44] <superm1> its a shame they're taking so long to do
[02:44] <superm1> from when you went to bed yesterday, i worked on them until i went to bed :)
[02:45] <Daviey> hehe
[02:45] <Daviey> tbh - i'm not exactly experienced with glade
[02:45] <Daviey> I've done little more than 'hello me' apps using it
[02:46] <superm1> well this is the first step that jared pointed out to be necessary
[02:46] <superm1> before the behind the scenes work needs to get going
[02:47] <Daviey> Gonna be fun resync our changes with a new upstream release of Ubiquity eh?
[02:49] <superm1> oh god..
[02:49] <superm1> i didnt even think about that
[02:51] <Daviey> superm1, something else - have you read the mythtv-mailinglist?
[02:51] <superm1> about what?
[02:51] <Daviey> RE: ubuntu-media-centre
[02:51] <superm1> what about it?
[02:51] <superm1> what does the thread say
[02:51] <Daviey> Ubuntu is dropping myth in favour of eliza etc
[02:51] <superm1> not dropping
[02:51] <superm1> the media center team
[02:51] <superm1> is using elisa instead
[02:51] <superm1> no bearing on us
[02:52] <superm1> for the purpose they are shooting for - i dont blame them
[02:52] <superm1> really, myth isn't a desktop media center app, elissa fills that gap much better
[02:53] <Daviey> oh i know we aint dropping it - but mailing list seemed to think we were
[02:54] <superm1> sigh.
[02:54] <superm1> we're not ready for a public announcment of mythbuntu
[02:54] <superm1> it really is a shame :)
[02:55] <Daviey> i know - that's why i kept quiet
[02:55] <Daviey> other's haven't :(
[02:55] <superm1> really?
[02:55] <Daviey> mythbuntu project has been mentioned in the thread
[02:56] <superm1> interesting...
[02:56] <Daviey> but not the url, just the launchpad addy
[02:56] <superm1> well the LP address LINKS to the url...
[02:56] <Daviey> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/269721
[02:57] <superm1> yay juski
[02:57] <Daviey> didn't notice it was from him
[02:59] <superm1> well the mythbuntu post wasnt from juski, but he did defend the purpose of mythtv
[02:59] <Daviey> "I love MythTV very much & find it hard to imagine my life without it. " -- Juski       Might print it on a t-shirt for when i meet him
[02:59] <superm1> and this post.  Sums up my same thoughts
[02:59] <superm1> So really.. the thing is WHO CARES the Ubuntu Media Center team have
[02:59] <superm1> 'dropped' MythTV anyway? They saw 'bling', were dazzled - and made
[02:59] <superm1> the *wrong* choice. All that glisters is not gold...
[02:59] <superm1> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/269779#269779
[02:59] <superm1> thats what i meant
[03:00] <Daviey> Anyway, i've done it again - it's 2:00am
[03:00] <Daviey> Catch you tommorow
[03:01] <jams> superm1-  yes you may package the themes
[03:01] <superm1> oh jams your are the one who did the lxm suite themes?
[03:02] <jams> yes
[03:02] <jams> i forgot to change the license, i will do that next update
[03:02] <jams> whenever that i
[03:02] <jams> s
[03:02] <superm1> well i wont be able to package them until the license change unfortunately
[03:02] <Daviey> jams, Your the MePo character creator - Glenn?
[03:02] <superm1> i mailed you as I didnt even catch license problem that myself when i first packaged them
[03:03] <jams> heh, it says "unauthorized"  you are now authorized
[03:03] <superm1> Daviey, he worked on the LxM Suite themes, syth blue, green and laquer
[03:03] <jams> and that awful theme midnight
[03:03] <superm1> jams, can you speak with crimsun momentarily in #ubuntu-motu?
[03:03] <jams> motu?
[03:03] <Daviey>  #ubuntu-motu
[03:04] <jams> whats motu stand for
[03:04] <superm1> yes, they look over the packages, and crimsun caught that
[03:04] <superm1> maintainers of the universe
[03:04] <jams> ah
[03:04] <Daviey> master of the universe (repository)
[03:04] <superm1> i packaged it, but they need the final +1
[03:04] <superm1> er give it
[03:04] <superm1> so crimsun was the one that caught that license mishap
[03:04] <superm1> i completely read over it myself
[03:05] <Daviey> superm1, so we still haven't heard from the MePo guy?
[03:05] <superm1> Nope Daviey
[03:05] <Daviey> That's a shame
[03:05] <jams> eh he also hangs out in #mythtv-users once in a while
[03:06] <Daviey> jams, do you know his nickname?
[03:06] <superm1> well the guy who did the artwork or the xml files
[03:06] <jams> starts with a z
[03:06] <superm1> because we have the +1 from the xml files guy
[03:06] <jams> oh right, his mepo guy is taken from another project
[03:06] <superm1> right
[03:07] <Daviey> jams, it's from a media centre for windows app, that somebody used in a mythtv theme
[03:07] <jams> yeah i know
[03:08] <jams> superm1-  if you get around to fixing some of the unfinished screens be sure to send the patches my way =)
[03:09] <Daviey> Anyway, i'm off to bed...  nn all
[03:09] <superm1> night Daviey
[03:09] <superm1> jams, looks like crimsun is havin connection troubles.  i'll let him know that you gave the OK for packaging, but i'm not sure that we will be able to get them in until the license that is shipped with the file itself is updated
[03:10] <superm1> because the way ubuntu licensing guidelines work, it cant be an exception made just for us
[03:10] <superm1> it has to be available to any other distro or our derivatives
[03:10] <jams> ok
[03:11] <jams> at any rate, glad you asked.  Even for gpl stuff I always consider it good forum to ask
[03:11] <jams> forum=form
[03:11] <superm1> :)
[03:11] <superm1> could you ping me when things are updated license wise - or at least shoot a mail over?
[03:12] <jams> sure
[03:12] <superm1> awesome thanks
[03:12] <jams> far as i know it's just me and two other people using the theme
[03:12] <superm1> "using"?
[03:13] <jams> using the theme for their myth desktop
[03:13] <superm1> well i guess the download count on there wasnt incredibly high
[03:13] <superm1> but its hard to gauge isnt it?  I mean I dont advertise all the themes i use in blogs or posts or anything :)
[03:13] <jams> yep
[03:14] <jams> those counters have been reset a few times
[03:14] <jams> mostly due to my tinkering
[03:14] <jams> i thought for sure somebody would complain about the 2 or 3 unfinished screens
[03:14] <jams> but so far, nobody has
[03:14] <superm1> well there was a complaint on -users
[03:14] <superm1> in the same thread i asked if we can get them into mythtv svn
[03:16] <jams> i vaguely remember a thread like that
[03:16] <jams> a year or two ago?
[03:17] <superm1> about a year ago i think
[03:17] <superm1> but there was no response
[03:17] <superm1> it was a few months before i started with ubuntu packaging
[03:17] <jams> i had already asked, long before that thread
[03:18] <jams> people got busy, i never pushed  so nothing happened
[03:18] <jams> simple as that.
[03:18] <superm1> ah
[03:19] <superm1> well once this licensing is sussed out, we'll have you as an option during mythbuntu installation
[03:19] <superm1> i'm going to have two checkboxes, official themes and community themes for advanced installs.  std installs will install by default.  so that will get some more exposure
[05:53] <rogue780|mythsvr> wow, I'm  impressed. with edgy running mythbackend, nfs server, samba server, and printer server stuff would stop working before it would reach 15 days time up. with feisty I'm at almost 19 days with no problems :)
[06:02] <Daviey> heh - fancy re-installing mine
[06:02] <Daviey> i'm scared
[06:02] <Daviey> need to do a full db dump and all
[06:11] <gardengnome> re
[06:22] <DaveMorris> Daviey: You fancy documenting it
[06:22] <DaveMorris> then when I do mine I can check it and we can put it out for people to follow
[12:20] <steve_> hello hello
[12:20] <steve_> is there anybody awake?
[12:22] <gardengnome> depends on what you expect :)
[12:22] <steve_> some of your precious time ?
[12:23] <steve_> :)
[12:23] <steve_> i'm trying to make the tv-out on my new install work
[12:23] <steve_> have been reading and trying for several hours, no success so far...
[12:25] <gardengnome> so
[12:26] <gardengnome> can you give us more information on your hardware and on what you have done so far?
[12:26] <steve_> nvidia 6600
[12:26] <steve_> new install is the feisty release


[02:09] <wftl> Hello, oh quiet group.
[02:10] <wftl> Is the artwork in the latest Ubuntu stores (the one that says "Ubuntu Dapper Beta") basically the final artwork.
[02:10] <wftl> I'm wrapping up my book, "Moving to Ubuntu" and I
[02:10] <wftl> oops
[02:10] <wftl> and I'd like to find out if there will be further changes in the artwork.
[02:11] <wftl> If not, I wonder if it's possible for me to get  a copy of the background, minus the words "Ubuntu Dapper Beta"
[02:31] <klepas> the artwork you speak of (such as the wallpaper) is not finalised
[02:39] <wftl> klepas: Thank you. Any idea when? I have about ten days to take the final screenshots.
[02:39] <wftl> If I can't do it, I can't. I'll work with the window decorations and widgets that are there.
[02:42] <klepas> i will not return to my workstation and thus the email address I use for my mailing lists for about 8 more days, however I will see if I can contact someone higher up to see if we can get this finalised within the week
[02:42] <klepas> problem is that the art team does not do the wallpaper
[02:42] <klepas> a contracted canonical artist does it
[02:42] <klepas> as with the previous releases
[02:46] <klepas> wftl: can i have your email address?
[02:46] <klepas> I'll mail you if i can't catch you online here again
[08:31] <chiwawa_42> hi
[08:31] <chiwawa_42> i'd have some feedback to provide about the latest dapper theme
[08:31] <wsjunior> sup guys.. could u please make the trash actually looks like a trash? some grandmas think its a battery indicator..
[08:32] <wsjunior> :-p
[08:32] <wsjunior> cya
[08:32] <chiwawa_42> wsjunior, that's bit short
[08:32] <wsjunior> chiwawa_42, :)
[08:32] <Sp4rKy> hi
[08:32] <Sp4rKy> what do you think about it ==> http://www.sos-sts.org/temp/plein.png
[08:34] <chiwawa_42> Sp4rKy, bof, un theme de geek...
[08:34] <Sp4rKy> ^^
[08:34] <Sp4rKy> chiwawa_42, you speak french now :)
[08:35] <chiwawa_42> oops
[08:35] <Sp4rKy> ^^
[08:35] <Sp4rKy> i you want speak french , i think you should go to #ubuntu-fr and answer me when i say "vous tes tous mort" ^^
[08:40] <chiwawa_42> Sp4rKy, already on #ubuntu-fr
[08:41] <Sp4rKy> i know
[08:41] <Sp4rKy> but you don't answer whereas you don't sleeping :)
[11:43] <klepas> anyone awake? :)
[11:44] <klepas> AndyFitz: pong
[11:50] <AndyFitz> hiya klepas
[11:50] <AndyFitz> man today is a a busy day
[11:50] <klepas> same here
[11:51] <klepas> spent my first day with dave at solutionsfirst
[11:51] <klepas> was a lot of fun :)
[11:51] <AndyFitz> congrats mate  .  howd it go ?
[11:51] <klepas> pretty cool
[11:51] <AndyFitz> they treat you right ?
[11:51] <klepas> tagged along while dave and this other guy from France who is doing his internship here to the WWF offices
[11:51] <klepas> fixed something with their mail
[11:51] <klepas> i was designing a website
[11:54] <klepas> but yea, they treated me alright
[11:55] <klepas> their graphic artist uses proprietary
[11:55] <AndyFitz> thats okay . ,  nobodys perfetc  ;-)
[11:55] <AndyFitz> tell them to semantically sex up their sites ?
[11:56] <klepas> oh, no
[11:56] <klepas> sorry
[11:56] <klepas> will do tomorrow
[11:56] <klepas> lol
[11:56] <klepas> i forgot my charger today
[11:56] <klepas> that sucked
[11:56] <klepas> ran out of battery power around 3:30
[12:48] <coz_> hello trying to upload art on to the ubuntu artwork site but keep getting errors that the url is incorrect however it seems to meet all the requirements
[03:11] <jenda> Hello. Looking for a proffesional artist for a quick (but skill-demanding) top secret job...
[03:11] <jenda>
[03:16] <jenda> aww...
[03:16] <jenda> It is only ... implanting, let's say, the Ubuntu logo into a photograph.
[03:16] <jenda> shouldn't be that difficult.
[03:16] <jenda> But will require shifting the logo into perspective a bit - not too sensitive, as it will be rather small...
[03:17] <klepas> jenda: what's on your mind?
[03:17] <jenda> hehe...
[03:17] <jenda> umm...
[03:18] <jenda> have you heard what dapper+1 should be called?
[03:18] <klepas> yes
[03:18] <klepas> :)
[03:18] <jenda> Eft...
[03:18] <jenda> http://www.travelsinbearcountry.com/wildlife/red-eft-006.jpg
[03:18] <klepas> Edgy Eft, yes :)
[03:18] <jenda> have a look at thta little thnig... and the spots on it...
[03:19] <jenda> http://www.travelsinbearcountry.com/wildlife/red_eft_005.jpg
[03:19] <klepas> nice
[03:19] <jenda> I started palying with it just now, but I don't know if my skill is good enough for the obvious 'upgrade' of the pretty little creature...
[03:20] <klepas> if you'd prefer to keep it to yourself for the moment feel free
[03:20] <jenda> hehe...
[03:21] <jenda> well, if you want to try it out - do so :) I dunno how good you are at it :) And as this is the free software world... no credit is involved, you know - my idea is yours to have (and I'm sure others have thought of it...)
[03:22] <klepas> you mean use those images as a base for some other work?
[03:24] <jenda> yup...
[03:24] <jenda> come on...
[03:24] <jenda> the little circulr spots
[03:24] <jenda> don't they look sooo much like the human circle?
[03:24] <jenda> just a little prod here and there...
[03:25] <klepas> lol
[03:25] <klepas> mayhaps
[03:26] <jenda> prodding...
[03:26] <jenda> but I'm not good at it - and if it were done properly... it would be just perfect...
[03:28] <klepas> mhh
[03:28] <klepas> interesting idea
[03:30] <jenda> I have a first attempt done..
[04:01] <klepas> jenda: just had a look
[04:01] <klepas> very cute
[04:01] <klepas> :)
[04:01] <klepas> it looks great
[04:01] <klepas> :)
[04:01] <jenda> Hehe, thanks :)
[04:01] <jenda> But if it were done by someone who can really polish it...
[04:02] <klepas> get yourself a very large image
[04:02] <klepas> 2000+
[04:02] <klepas> and then do it
[04:02] <klepas> :)
[04:02] <jenda> I couldn't find one...
[04:06] <klepas> mhh
[04:06] <klepas> give Garret LeSage a buzz
[04:06] <klepas> linuxart.com
[04:06] <klepas> :)
[04:08] <jenda> ok


[00:04] <murthy> oerheks: regarding the chromium snap, one user from #kde told me it could be because of an emergency security update, where the devs possibility didn't spend time to check the icon paths and stuff
[00:05] <murthy> oerheks: thanks for the support
[00:28] <noarb> when logging in with ssh, when does update-motd get run? I'm looking at sshd configuration with 'PrintMotd no' but I still get that message when I log in, does it run at a different time in the login?
[00:28] <wez> noarb: It runs in crontab I believe, not at login time.
[01:08] <Dr-007> i'm still looking for a way how to make a live usb stick from the ubuntu os i'm currently on. so with all my apps and settings cloned to an usb thumbdrive. then make the usb thumbdrive live persistent so it will use an overlay for files that get created while you're booted from the usb drive
[01:09] <Dr-007> as from what i understand is if you want to make a persistent bootable iso you'll add something like this in the grub.cfg: linux (loop)/casper/vmlinuz boot=casper iso-scan/filename=$isofile quiet splash noprompt persistent --
[01:10] <Dr-007> and the $isofile should be an isofile download from ubuntu.com. when i look into that .iso file there's a bunch of folders and such that would not exist if would make a .img file from my current ubuntu partition
[01:11] <sprnk[m]> @noarb check /etc/pam.d/login
[01:46] <RonWhoCares> I posted my question here:   (This is just a database query question) https://pastebin.com/LpVGMQFX
[02:28] <jhutchins> ubottu: ping
[02:49] <morganu> 20.04 I would like to make my view in finle manager to be always a list of the files and their qualities. I have googled how to make that permanent, change the default, but the directions dont work. I dont have a meanu button I dont have something in preferences. \o/
[02:49] <morganu> FILE manager
[02:54] <jhutchins> morganu: Which one?
[02:55] <morganu> PCManFM 1.3.1  --- My other one vanished after following somebody's directions. shrug.
[02:55] <morganu> Lightweight file manager  using LibFM ver. 1.3.1
[02:56] <morganu> I am able to change it each time it opens. (https://sourceforge.net/projects/pcmanfm/)
[02:56] <morganu> I would install a different one.  "soon" I will put a newer Ubuntu on a different opinion.
[02:58] <morganu> jhutchins, dont worry. I just found THIS on the sourceforge page. --->   Also: there is no obvious way to set the default folder view mode.
[04:24] <EldonMcGuinness> I know there has to be something I'm missing here, how can I install qemu-kvm without the gtk bits? This is on a headless server.
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> EldonMcGuinness: maybe the #ubuntu-server guys might know that one
[04:44] <EldonMcGuinness> k
[05:31] <RaimondRaj> i have issue with sendmail install and configure - can anyone teach me and guide me
[06:03] <Mystified> hey guy's does anyone have a kernel for for freya 3.2 upgrade
[06:03] <Mystified> sorry ubuntu 4 kernel
[06:03] <Mystified> old elementary drive
[06:12] <rfm> RaimondRaj, I've worked on email for about 30 years now, and my guidance is *don't use sendmail*.  I've found postfix easier than exim.
[06:42] <RaimondRaj> rfm :please guide me
[07:50] <Dr-007> bleh, i wanted to edit stuff on a wiki page but it's hard to find the entrance to do it at all. it's this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeALiveCD/DVD/BootableFlashFromHarddiskInstall where 'install grub to flash disk' it has this command: `sudo grub-install --no-floppy --force --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdc` it should be `sudo grub-install --removable --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdc`
[07:50] <Dr-007> with no-flopy it would hit my efi partition on the usb but grub would just say "System reset" and reboot over and over
[07:52] <oerheks> Wiki is locked down, to avoid troll edits; To edit the Ubuntu Wiki, join the Ubuntu Wiki Editors team on Launchpad. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors
[07:52] <Dr-007> and maybe you could add a little section / explanation above it explaining you can use 2 partitions. an efi partition and a ntfs/ext4 partition. the last one so you can store large .iso's onthere. if you follow that guide then youll end up with a fat32 partition and you're restricted to 4GIG isos
[07:52] <oerheks> else mail them with your edit request.
[07:52] <Dr-007> oerheks, oki doki
[07:52] <Dr-007> im not gonna do that
[07:52] <Dr-007> i dropped a line inhere :)
[07:53] <oerheks> a small partition extra is called persistent, there are guides for that
[07:53] <Dr-007> no the persistent part is not the extra partition
[07:53] <oerheks> mkusb can do that, perhaps rufus too
[07:53] <Dr-007> you can save the persistent part in a file or in another partition
[07:54] <Dr-007> https://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/install/ubuntu-persistent-live-cd.html
[07:54] <oerheks> mkusb https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html
[07:54] <Dr-007> yeah i tried using mkusb with the iso that guide created
[07:55] <Dr-007> but that doesnt work
[07:55] <Dr-007> so i was glad when i got to the bottom of the guide
[07:55] <oerheks> oh i am sure it works, it just takes forever..
[07:56] <Dr-007> where they explained it how to do it by hand
[07:56] <Jasonwizkid> hello guys
[07:56] <Dr-007> hi wizkid
[07:58] <Jasonwizkid> hello
[07:58] <Jasonwizkid> i am hacker
[08:02] <Dr-007> hmm, i am booted from the live ubuntu i created myself on a usb. and i installed ubiquity (while not in persistent mode) and the installer i end up with is one for kubuntu.
[08:05] <Dr-007> also i forgot to install lupin-casper inside my os before making the iso file. i only installed casper. it complained in the boot sequence about lupin-for-devs or something like that. but it still loaded okay.
[08:05] <Dr-007> so what is lupin-casper?
[08:06] <Dr-007> or does apt-get install casper also install lupin-casper automatically and am i mistaken?
[08:06] <Jasonwizkid> yes its does
[08:08] <Dr-007> no it doesnt
[08:08] <Dr-007> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[08:08] <Dr-007>   lupin-casper
[08:09] <Jasonwizkid> how many live images do you have
[08:13] <Jasonwizkid> you should type apt install only i tried it and it worked am running ubuntu 18
[08:17] <hamburger> hi all
[08:17] <hamburger> :)
[08:21] <tbot_> lol
[08:22] <RedDevil> XD
[08:28] <RedDevil> quit
[08:28] <RedDevil> lol
[08:49] <dob1> what is the default python in last ubuntu?
[08:49] <dob1> 2 or 3?
[08:50] <dob1> I was sure it was 3 but with python I get python 2... something changed but I don't know what
[08:50] <RedDevilVigilant> I usually use the default python as python3.
[08:50] <dob1> if you type python  you get 3?
[08:51] <RedDevilVigilant> Yes,
[08:51] <dob1> I was sure it was the same here... but it's 2 now
[08:51] <RedDevilVigilant> Have you tried "sudo apt install python3-pip"?
[08:52] <oerheks> you must have installed something that pulled in python2.7
[08:53] <dob1> oerheks, it doesn't seem, apt-get remove python2.7  doesn't list me any package I have installed
[08:54] <dob1> RedDevilVigilant, I have this package
[08:55] <RedDevilVigilant> Then it is probably what oerheks said, you have something that pulled in python2.7 lol
[08:56] <oerheks> cruft from distro upgrade?
[08:56] <oerheks> fresh ubuntu is python3 solely.
[08:57] <oerheks> and if you removed python2.7, reboot might be needed.
[08:58] <filename> no
[09:02] <dob1> is python-is-python3 package installed as default?
[09:24] <oerheks> dob1, no
[09:24] <oerheks> and it can cause some problems, not advised to use it.
[09:24] <oerheks> !info python-is-python3
[10:05] <dob1> so you don't have python  but just python3, right?
[10:05] <dob1> as command I mean
[10:49] <Croran> does the switch pro controller work well on ubuntu?
[11:25] <Mrokii> Hello. Not sure if I'm in the right room for this, but I have an HD that might possibly be broken. It doesn't seem to contain a partition anymore (superblock broken?), and I'm not sure how I can fix that. Mounting failed with this: "column: read failed: Input/output error
[11:25] <Mrokii> "
[11:26] <EriC^^> Mrokii: sounds like either connection or hardware error
[11:27] <Mrokii> EriC^^: So what could I try? Another sata-cable maybe? Or another sata-port, to see if that's the problem?
[11:27] <EriC^^> Mrokii: try 'sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdX'
[11:27] <EriC^^> replacing sdx with your hdd
[11:29] <Mrokii> I'll post a link to the output.
[11:29] <Mrokii> And thanks.
[11:29] <EriC^^> yeah, i think you should get another hdd and try to copy the data over if possible, or use gddrescue to image the disk
[11:30] <Mrokii> The problem is that no partition is shown when I use Partition Manager.
[11:30] <Mrokii> https://pastebin.com/WtJREq7S
[11:31] <EriC^^> Mrokii: hmm, try installing testdisk, sudo apt-get install testdisk
[11:31] <Mrokii> I think I have that already.
[11:31] <EriC^^> then sudo testdisk /dev/sdx and see if partitions how up in the quick search
[11:32] <EriC^^> Mrokii: also try sudo blkid -s PTTYPE /dev/sdX and see which type of partition table it is
[11:34] <Mrokii> I'm trying the quicksearch at the moment.
[11:37] <Mrokii> EriC^^: That blkid command returns nothing
[11:38] <EriC^^> Mrokii: press p over the partition in testdisk to list the files, and c or C or copy them
[11:38] <EriC^^> gtg, goodluck!
[11:38] <Mrokii> erica: Thanks, I'll try.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:41] <luna> hi
[13:17] <Mrokii> Hello. I have a drive that has suddenly gone into read-mode, and I had to restart. Now, the drive has "lost" its partition information, and a quick search with testdisk didn't show anything. I wonder, would writing a new partition table (it was the complete HD bevore) show the files again? Smart-tools btw can identify the disc, but apart from that only gives input/output errors.
[13:26] <EriC^^> Mrokii: do you happen to have an old parted output
[13:37] <Mrokii> EriC^^: No, nothing like that.
[13:37] <Mrokii> I am sure I used the whole HD for one partitioin though.
[13:38] <Mrokii> Alhtough at this point I'm not even sure a new partition table could be written.
[13:39] <EriC^^> Mrokii: you could try mounting it by giving the offset, sudo mount -o offset=$((512 * 2048)) /dev/sdx /mnt
[13:39] <Mrokii> In that case I assume my only chance would be a new HD (which I need anyway) and ddrescue or something like that, to try to get the files.
[13:39] <EriC^^> if you're using 512 sectors
[13:39] <Mrokii> I think I used the starndard settings. Wouldn't know why I should've changed them.
[13:40] <EriC^^> it's basically the same as writing a partition at 2048 and attempting to mount it via /dev/sdx1
[13:40] <Mrokii> Okay, I'll give it a try, thanks.
[13:45] <Mrokii> EriC^^: Didn't work. Gave me this error: "mount: /media/stephan/3_gb_hd: can't read superblock on /dev/loop9.
[13:46] <Mrokii> Tried to mount it with what it had been mounted to before. I don't know what that loop9-thing is though.
[14:06] <EriC^^> Mrokii: you could try giving it another superblock location
[14:07] <EriC^^> Mrokii: sudo mount -o  sb=32768,offset=$((512 * 2048)) /dev/sdx /mnt
[14:07] <EriC^^> this is the standard alternative superblock locations https://www.poftut.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/img_582d2297090e6.png
[14:11] <EriC^^> Mrokii: you could also search for other locations than 2048 in case that's that it was using,   blocksize=512; for i in {0..6000}; do echo "trying offset $i"; sudo mount -o offset=$(($i * $blocksize)) /dev/sda /mnt > /dev/null 2>&1 && echo "offset successful at sector $i , byte $(($i * $blocksize))" && break; done
[14:11] <EriC^^> maybe add -o sb=32768 to that as well so it uses the backup superblock
[14:12] <EriC^^> Mrokii: what's the output of "sudo parted -ls" look like?
[14:20] <krumelmonster> I resized sda6_crypt from ~60GB to ~900GB on a typical 20.04 luks+lvm installation. pvdisplay still says PV Size ~60GB. How can I extend the PV so I can extend the root lv and root fs?
[14:21] <Mrokii> EriC^^: https://pastebin.com/43zc8h0x
[14:21] <krumelmonster> I mean how can I extend the VG/volume group so I can extend the LV/logical volume
[14:21] <Mrokii> EriC^^: The relevant part is the error with sdb. That input/output error is something that has been shown with almost everything I tried.
[14:23] <tomreyn> krumelmonster: how did you resize sda6_crypt from ~60GB to ~900GB ?
[14:26] <krumelmonster> tomreyn replaced the disk etc. I think "cryptsetup resize" might actually be the command I need (looking at https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/322631 )
[14:27] <EriC^^> Mrokii: i think you should find another 4tb hdd and ddrescue this one there, then look into photorec and other stuff to recover
[14:27] <tomreyn> krumelmonster: replacing the disk would not have resized a dmcrypt-luks layer (assuming you did a 1-to-1 copy)
[14:28] <EriC^^> Mrokii: the more you try to recover on this one and longer you take the more the chances of recovery diminish
[14:28] <tomreyn> krumelmonster: i'm just trying to understand whether you may already have broken something by what you did so far. you probably have these layers: disk sda -> partition sda6 -> dmcrypt-luks layer sda6_crypt -> LVM2 PV -> LVM2 VG(s)/LV(s).
[14:28] <krumelmonster> Yes, I did resize the luks partition using gparted
[14:29] <tomreyn> krumelmonster: so sda6 is what you resized?
[14:29] <krumelmonster> yes
[14:30] <tomreyn> and sda6 is now 900 GB?
[14:30] <krumelmonster> according to gparted and lsblk yes but not according to vgdisplay
[14:30] <krumelmonster> So yes, it is
[14:30] <tomreyn> then indeed "cryptsetup resize" is the next step to extend the crypto containers' size to that of the extended partition
[14:31] <krumelmonster> can I run this online?
[14:31] <tomreyn> i don't think so
[14:33] <tomreyn> actually yes, it works on an active device. but maybe it's not the right command. i need to read up, it's been a while.
[14:37] <tomreyn> krumelmonster: "cryptsetup resize" on an active mapping (sda6_crypt) is correct. but run "cryptsetup status sda6" first and note it down
[14:38] <tomreyn> krumelmonster: i'm not sure whether you can safely do this while any file systems are mounted from within the crypto container, though
[14:38] <hamburger_> :)
[14:38] <tomreyn> or lvm2 structures even
[14:48] <BinarySavior> hi I installed nix-bin and I'm having trouble running it without sudo privileges.  I added my user to group nix-users and added my user to trusted-users in /etc/nix/nix.conf.  I noticed the socket file is owned by root:root but the directory it lives in is owned by root:nix-users.  Is this intentional?  or could i chown the socket to root:nix-users without breaking things?
[14:48] <BinarySavior> host os: ubuntu 21.10
[14:52] <Mrokii> EriC^^: That's what I intend to do. I've tried every possible (hopefully nondestructive) command I could get ahold of, and nothing worked. So I'll have to get another hd and try ddrescue or photorec.
[15:00] <krumelmonster> tomreyn I was actually missing pvresize /dev/mapper/sda6_crypt
[15:44] <TandyUK> hey guys, is there a keyboard shortcut to reset X to some kind of defaults?
[15:44] <TandyUK> not even sure what ubuntu version is on this nuc, but connected to a 4k 60hz screen, i see it boot, but it gives me no desktop etc
[15:44] <TandyUK> ctrl+alt+2 will get me into a terminal, but im not sure why its giving no gui output
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> TandyUK: did you firmware update your nuc to latest?
[15:46] <TandyUK> I havent updated anything as yet, ive just taken it out of storage and booted it up
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> TandyUK: best to do that first, some nuc models suffer no GUI at boot due firmware lack
[15:46] <TandyUK> it was fine when last used, about 18 months ago
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> or try getting into recoverymode?
[15:51] <TandyUK> hmm maybe just time for a reinstall - its doing the same on a 1080p screen too
[15:51] <TandyUK> and actually locks up (ie numlock etc not responding) shortly after getting into a console via ctrl+alt+f2
[15:54] <ioria> TandyUK, are you fully updated ?
[16:15] <tomreyn> krumelmonster: that would have been the next step after resizing the dmcrypt container, yes
[16:15] <tomreyn> good that you worked it out
[16:31] <Sven_vB> hi :) I'm on focal, "sudo cryptsetup close vg_foo-bar" -> "Device vg_foo-bar is still in use." how do I figure out what uses it? I already closed and released that LUKS's volume group, it no longer shows in "sudo vgs".
[16:31] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: lsof
[16:33] <Sven_vB> so I sudo -s to ensure the glob works, but still "lsof /dev/mapper/vg_foo-*" prints no output, except some warnings about unrelated sshfs mounts.
[16:36] <Sven_vB> I'll try if I can make dm force-close it
[16:39] <Sven_vB> nope. guess I'll just rename it and have it linger until reboot.
[16:50] <Sven_vB> nope, doesn't help. if I try to remount it, it still tries to use the old, failed vg_… even after I successfully closed their pv
[17:12] <Sven_vB> found someone with the same problem (unexpected storage device disconnect) on the dm-devel ML: https://www.spinics.net/lists/dm-devel/msg24301.html
[17:25] <Sven_vB> unfortunately that thread ends without a solution.
[17:28] <Bushmaster> howdy folks, what is that command that visually display system requrement with some unicode drawing
[17:35] <Niekdo> Bushmaster: neofetch
[18:33] <en11gma> i have windows 11 (TPM enabled) installed on my nvme m.2 in my x570 motherboard. i want to use a ubuntu live usb to install ubuntu to an "external hdd usb to sata adapter" which from what i seen is possible. during the install process i just select that drive and also select that drive for the partition manager/grub to be installed too. the problem i have is after i reboot into the usb-hdd
[18:33] <en11gma> ubuntu is at some point there will be an ubuntu update and it will overwrite my windows 11 partition manager and take control. this is what i do not want. is there a way to keep both operating systems seperate and just select which drive to boot through F12 boot menu
[18:33] <en11gma> and also what happens if i remove the usb-hdd ubuntu from usb connector?
[18:34] <en11gma> still leaving my windows 11 nvme m.2 conencted of course
[18:38] <leftyfb> en11gma: why do you say an ubuntu update is going to overwrite your windows 11 partition?
[18:38] <en11gma> i think it happens when ubuntu updates and there is a kernel update or a grub2 update
[18:39] <en11gma> because it does everytime
[18:39] <en11gma> this isnt my first rodeo with a seperate 2 drive dual boot situation
[18:39] <en11gma> i want to control which OS gets booted with the F12 not with a partition manager
[18:41] <en11gma> and then when it picks the drive i select it boots to that partition manager which should only see ubuntu or should only see windows depending on which drive i select with F12
[18:42] <en11gma> i do not want windows partition manager giving me the option to boot ubuntu and i do not want ubuntu partition manager to give me option to boot windows
[18:43] <en11gma> but somewhere along the line ubuntu tries to take over and run it. it will install grub2 to the windows drive. does grub2/ubuntu look for windows partitions and then try to overwrite windows partition manager even when ubuntu install was told to install grub2 to the ubuntu drive?
[18:44] <en11gma> i mean how is this preventable? only way i found so far was to disconnect sata cables for the os i didnt want to boot
[18:45] <en11gma> but now i dont have any sata drives. just the nvme m.2 (windows) and a sata drive i want to use as external drive for ubuntu with usb2sata adapter
[18:49] <en11gma> why is this channel so dead?
[18:50] <tomreyn> do you understand how uefi booting works / how it's supposed to work, with a single efi system partition on a single disk, containing boot loaders which the firmware chooses from?
[18:51] <EriC^> en11gma: you basically don't want grub-install to ever run on the ubuntu install, you could manually pin the package so it never gets updated, and replace grub-install binary with something like /bin/true
[18:56] <EriC^> en11gma: or maybe tackle efibootmgr instead, as that's the package that really would be altering your uefi menu, also -x os_prober from /etc/grub.d/  so your windows install doesnt show up in the ubuntu grub menu
[19:32] <Sven_vB> what does the "eol" in linux-image-lowlatency-eol-hwe-5.11 mean?
[19:39] <leftyfb> !eol | Sven_vB
[19:40] <Sven_vB> oh, so that one is End-of-Life even though it's newer than the default lowlatency kernel?
[19:50] <rfm> Sven_vB, but it's older than the current hwe lowlatency kernel
[19:53] <Sven_vB> oh I see. thanks!
[20:34] <en11gma> EriC^ so that means on my first install of ubuntu i should have the nvme m.2 with windows 11 on it removed?
[20:35] <EriC^> en11gma: yeah
[20:36] <en11gma> my nvme m.2 is above my gpu so its not that hard to remove. i think i will just have one device connected at a time. can i swap back and fourth like that with no problems when i have tpm enabled in uefi?
[20:37] <en11gma> im not going to edit anything i will just disconnect ubuntu drive (usb to sata adapter) and put in nvme m.2 when i want to use win11 and then remove nvme m.2 and hook up ubuntu drive. can i do that as long as both drives are gpt?
[20:38] <en11gma> without ill effects in ueft tpm system.
[21:28] <tomreyn> en11gma: had you considered virtualization? it can make it much easier to run two OSes, plus you can even run them at the same time.
[21:40] <en11gma> tomreyn i might give that a try but i have a usb 3.0 device that might be picky in that kind of enviroment. its a limesdr-mini and saturates that bus sometimes. that might be a good idea. i could try it and see how it goes maybe.
[21:43] <Sven_vB> thee's also SuperGRUB Disk, it can auto-detect various OSs including Windows and Linux kernels
[21:43] <Sven_vB> I use a variation of that as my default boot
[21:45] <tomreyn> probably not an option for a secureboot scenario
[21:45] <en11gma> does that just replace grub2 after you have did the default ubuntu install?
[21:45] <en11gma> yea secureboot i was thinking there could be problems. got to be careful with that.
[21:45] <en11gma> i can do almost everyting from a live usb but my gpu drivers cant be done correct
[21:46] <en11gma> it would be nice to have the binary working so the usb device works good with the fft window
[21:47] <en11gma> i think i will try the vm. thats a really good idea and i have done those before i just worry that the usb device might not work. then again i think maybe just pull the dang nvme m.2 out and hook the sata drive up without the adapter.
[21:47] <en11gma> grrr
[21:47] <en11gma> so confused
[21:48] <en11gma> bbiab and thanks guys
[21:53] <en11gma> i was just thinking if i download the ubuntu 20.04.4 is finished right? there isnt really anymore updates that will reinstall grub is there?
[21:54] <en11gma> i should only have to remove my nvme m.2 one time for the ubuntu install and the only updates after that are secutiry?
[21:54] <en11gma> so i could add my nvme m.2 back in without worries?
[21:55] <en11gma> i had been doing the ubuntu 22.04 daily builds and writing those images to usb so it didnt update anything because there was nothing to update until the next day
[21:56] <oerheks> 20.04.4 might not have the latest updates, just enable updates during install
[21:58] <en11gma> isnt 20.04.4 finished? the final point release. so any updates are just security updates?
[21:59] <en11gma> right now im writing it to a 16gb usb stick with rufus. i selected gpt and maxed out the persistent partition
[22:00] <en11gma> how do i boot it up so it uses persistent i forget
[22:00] <tomreyn>  18.04 is currently at .6. i assume 20.4 will go there, too
[22:00] <en11gma> oh crap. why an i thinking its finished.
[22:00] <tomreyn> *20.04(.6)
[22:00] <en11gma> oh no. lol im stupid
[22:01] <en11gma> in the persistent partition can i tell it not to update anything else so when i do a sudo apt update it will not try to install anything that makes me restart to finish installing?
[22:02] <en11gma> i think i might just try and run it from a usb live enviroment and hope the 2d driver for the gpu will be good enough for that usb fft app


[08:31] <ochosi> hey micahg
[14:54] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:56] <charlie-tca> ochosi, mr_pouit : i386 desktop installation worked, but I only got one workspace in the VBox install. I have two workspaces in the live cd.
[14:56] <ochosi> hey charlie
[14:56] <charlie-tca> Hello
[14:57] <charlie-tca> I would like at least two workspaces in our finished installations, please.
[14:57] <ochosi> no clue about that tbh, any ideas mr_pouit ?
[15:00] <mr_pouit> no idea either, I need to check that
[15:01] <mr_pouit> it seems to be a bit messy, as I had to list 4 workspaces in the config even if only two are used
[15:01] <ochosi> i assume it must be a bug, at least i don't remember a conscious decision against multiple worksapces
[15:01] <ochosi> oh
[15:01] <ochosi> right
[15:01] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: if it's reproducible, please file a bug, otherwise I'm going to forget
[15:01] <charlie-tca> okay, installing 64bit now, will file when it finishes
 User Interface Freeze and Beta Freeze is March 24th (at 2300 UTC )
[15:03] <ochosi> mhm, it's in my diary
[15:04] <ochosi> btw, charlie-tca and mr_pouit, i wanted to show you a rather subtle thunar-theming idea and wanted to ask you what you think of it
[15:06] <charlie-tca> You have a link?
[15:06] <ochosi> yes, one second, my natty install is upgrading atm...
[15:06] <charlie-tca> ouch
[15:06] <charlie-tca> Xorg is awaiting all it's packages again
[15:07] <ochosi> ok, here's the screenshot: http://imagebin.org/143689
[15:07] <ochosi> (it's thunar 1.0.* but it will work/look the same way in thunar 1.1.*)
[15:09] <charlie-tca> I like that color shading, but what will happen in detailed view with the shaded lines?
[15:09] <ochosi> they won't be affected
[15:09] <charlie-tca> I have every other line a darker gray, so everything shows up easily
[15:09] <ochosi> i only colored the bg of the shortcuts and the tree-sidepane
[15:09] <ochosi> so it's independent of the rest of thunar
[15:10] <charlie-tca> I like it. It drives me nuts to have that pane white
[15:10] <ochosi> ok, so shall i push it to greybird then?
[15:10] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: ??
[15:10] <charlie-tca> My thought is "Yes", let's do it
[15:11] <charlie-tca> Unless mr_pouit knows a reason not too, go for it
[15:11] <ochosi> good, since it's a kinda last-minute change i wanted to be sure, i can wait for mr_pouit
[15:11] <ochosi> i already have the code ready, i only have to push "commit && push"
[15:12] <ochosi> i just realized that the order of elements has changed in the new thunar
[15:12] <ochosi> in maverick it's home, trash, desktop, root
[15:12] <ochosi> in natty it's home, desktop, trash, root
[15:12] <charlie-tca> minor detail
[15:13] <mr_pouit> yeah, you can do it
[15:13] <ochosi> ok, nice
[15:13] <charlie-tca> this just gets better and better, huh?
[15:13] <ochosi> sure :)
[15:14] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i spent/spend a lot of time on fine-tuning greybird, i would be disappointed if it wouldn't get better and better ;)
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Your efforts are greatly appreciated! It looks really good!
[15:15] <charlie-tca> wOw! 64bit desktop is installing today
[15:15] <ochosi> that's good news
[15:16] <mr_pouit> ochosi: I'm going to do an upload of xubuntu-artwork to include knome's wp, so pleae send me a mail if you want me to get the latest greybird rev from git :p
[15:16] <mr_pouit> *please
[15:16] <ochosi> mr_pouit: is it ok if i update greybird _now_ or would i still have to send you an email?
[15:16] <mr_pouit> I'll only work on it when I'm back home
[15:17] <mr_pouit> so maybe I will forget :p
[15:17] <mr_pouit> but it should be fine
[15:17] <ochosi> ok, i'll drop you a few friendly lines then ;)
[15:20] <knome> http://open.knome.fi/2011/03/18/xubuntu-natty-default-wallpaper/
[15:28] <charlie-tca> 64bit desktop installed, it has two workspaces!
[15:29] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I will do a hardware install to verify i386 workspaces, then file a bug
[15:43] <micahg> hi ochosi
[15:43] <ochosi> hey micahg
[15:47] <ochosi> micahg: how long do you think it'll take for 1.1.7 to get into natty?
[15:48] <micahg> ochosi,well, since you have other patches for me, probably sooner
[15:48] <micahg> Monday/Tuesday Hopefully, can you point me to the patches
[15:49] <ochosi> how would you like them to be delivered?
[15:50] <micahg> well, a patch in can throw in debian/patches would be good, or are they all in your PPA build?
[15:51] <ochosi> they are all in my ppa
[15:51] <ochosi> i have never worked with real patches
[15:53] <ochosi> there shouldn't be much to do in fact, add one file and then change a few other lines, that's all
[15:55] <micahg> ochosi, if you start with a clean source format 3 package, then add you fixes individually and rename, you'll get DEP-3 headers + Patches, see DEP3: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[16:00] <ochosi> micahg: ok, i'll have a look into that later
[16:02] <micahg> ochosi, so basically, with source format 3, debuild -S will take any changes made directly to the source and make a quilt patch out of it
[16:02] <ochosi> ah
[16:02] <ochosi> that sounds easy enough
[16:03] <micahg> ochosi, it will also give you sample DEP-3 headers which you can edit to be appropriate
[16:03] <ochosi> have to read up on a bit of the debian packaging stuff yet, i only dealt with the basics up to now (and i don't even know what format3 is yet)
[16:03] <micahg> ochosi, http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0
[16:04] <micahg> ochosi, the distro version is 3.0 (quilt)
[16:04] <ochosi> so all i have to do is create the debian/source/format file?
[16:04] <ochosi> and then it'll be format 3
[16:04] <micahg> ochosi, yep
[16:05] <ochosi> micahg: and the 1.1.7 packages you'll build for debian/ubuntu will be format 3?
[16:11] <micahg> ochosi, yep
[16:11] <ochosi> micahg: ok, so it'd be best to download your 1.1.7 source-package and then change whatever i wanna change in it and then debuild -S ?
[16:14] <micahg> ochosi, you should be able to pull the 1.1.6 version, run uscan and then the appropriate uupdate command and make your changes to that, I hope to not need any new patches in Debian
[16:14] <ochosi> yeah, the patches would only be for ubuntu
[16:15] <ochosi> micahg: so you think i shouldn't wait for 1.1.7?
[16:16] <micahg> ochosi, packaging diffs shouldn't matter, right, you're just changing the upstream source?
[16:16] <micahg> 1.1.7 upstream is released, uscan should pull it
[16:16] <ochosi> micahg: yes, i only change a few lines of upstream and add a file
[16:19] <ochosi> micahg: ok, i'll try uscan then (never used it before)
[19:18] <drc> making the news:  http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/xubuntu-1104-default-wallpaper.html
[19:19] <drc> opps...meant the main x channel...sorry
[20:02] <Sysi> topic at #xubuntu mentions #ubuntu-irc-hwlpers but that channel doesn't exist anymore, was considered useless
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Thanks, fixed it
[22:15] <PsynoKhi0> hi


[05:33] <bryce> tjaalton: these BenQ's are sweeeeeet :-)
[07:17] <tjaalton> bryce: yep :)
[07:18] <tjaalton> bryce: I don't know if you noticed airlied's reply to my question about intel, but it seems that we won't get a fixed intel EXA in time for hardy :/
[07:20] <tjaalton> so the performance will continue to suck, unless we switch back to XAA
[07:22] <tjaalton> aha, Zhenyu Wang from intel confirmed that it will require TTM, so it's a no-go then :(
[07:22] <tjaalton> freedesktop bug 13389
[07:22] <tjaalton> bah, no ubotu
[07:22] <tjaalton> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13389
[07:23] <bryce> hrm
[07:23] <bryce> E_TOOMUCHSUCKAGE
[07:30] <bryce> sorry, I'm fussing with my viewsonic monitor and it's acting screwy
[08:00] <tjaalton> bryce: I reopened the "no compiz on 965" bug..
[08:01] <tjaalton> since there is no viable option to switching back to XAA
[08:02] <mvo> tjaalton: what bugnumber is that?
[08:03] <tjaalton> mvo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/148247
[08:03] <tjaalton> no ubotu here :)
[08:03] <bryce> tjaalton: yeah...
[08:04] <tjaalton> mvo: to make EXA performance better it would need the new memory manager
[08:04] <bryce> tjaalton: so sounds like we're going to have to leave compiz disabled for 965 again?
[08:04] <bryce> heh, there's an entire HOWTO devoted to this combination of ViewSonic monitor and nvidia hardware.  sheesh
[08:04] <bryce> (http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-274291.html)
[08:04] <tjaalton> bryce: maybe so yep..
[08:05] <mvo> meh, ok. when is the upload going to happen that switches again?
[08:05] <tjaalton> after alpha3
[08:06] <mvo> ok, thanks
[08:09] <tjaalton> bryce: I so love all these "howtos" that do silly things to the xorg.conf..
[08:09] <bryce> yeah no kidding
[08:09] <tjaalton> like having six different subsections for Display
[08:10] <bryce> I'm having this weird blanking problem with this viewsonic monitor
[08:10] <bryce> like, for a few minutes after booting up it's fine, but then it blinks off black for a second
[08:10] <bryce> and then a minute later, it does it again
[08:10] <tjaalton> it happens with my benq too, so it's probably nvidia problem..
[08:11] <tjaalton> although it's not that frequent
[08:11] <bryce> it keeps periodically blinking like this, until it finally goes completely black
[08:11] <tjaalton> maybe once a day
[08:11] <tjaalton> heh, ok
[08:11] <bryce> no this is with my viewsonic, not the benq's.  The benq's are great
[08:11] <bryce> yeah I'm a glutton; now that I have two widescreen monitors set up, I want a third.  8-)
[08:12] <tjaalton> hehe
[08:12] <bryce> I think it might be the nv card.  I should just get an ati to put in there
[08:12]  * tjaalton runs for the bus ->
[08:15] <bryce> tjaalton: I've passed word along about the EXA issue
[08:24] <tjaalton> bryce: nice
[08:24] <tjaalton> 3G rocks, btw :)
[08:25] <bryce> 3G?
[08:25] <tjaalton> "3rd generation" of mobile modems :)
[08:25] <bryce> ahh
[08:26] <tjaalton> "umts" is probably the technical term
[08:26] <bryce> I'm finding that perhaps the viewsonic issue I'm having is that it has a flaky DVI implementation.  bugger.
[08:27] <tjaalton> try with the ati
[08:28] <bryce> I'll have to buy one; I don't have a spare that's the right interface type
[08:28] <tjaalton> heh, ok
[08:28] <bryce> heya seb128
[08:28] <seb128> hey bryce
[08:33] <mvo> good morning seb128
[08:33] <seb128> hello mvo
[08:39] <bryce> timo, yeah it is looking like it's an nvidia problem...  it puts the monitor into EDID sleep mode, but can't wake it
[08:52] <bryce> aha, think I fixed it
[08:55] <tjaalton> bryce: how?
[08:56] <bryce> I found a post that suggested this funky approach of plugging and unplugging things in a particular order.  I did it, and haven't had a blank yet.
[08:56] <bryce> http://www.munky.net/hardware/viewsonic-dvi/
[08:57] <bryce> sounds like the procedure results in resetting the hardware edid
[09:02] <bryce> tjaalton: do the usb ports on your monitor's work?  (next on my todo list is to play with them...)
[09:04] <tjaalton> I'm not sure i've tried them yet
[09:04] <tjaalton> it's just a hub, so should work
[09:04] <tjaalton> remember to connect the cable first :)
[09:06] <bryce> oh crap, I spoke too soon; there goes the viewsonic
[09:07] <bryce> weird.
[09:07] <bryce> eh, problem for another day.
[09:08] <tjaalton> heh
[09:09] <bryce> I had it working fine with one of my test machines - I'll have to check if that was ATI based
[09:09] <bryce> oh wait, that was VGA
[09:09] <bryce> ok... so probably I'll just need to find a longer vga cable or something
[09:22] <bryce> maybe it's a heat issue.  hmm
[09:46] <bryce> nice, the usb on the monitors appears to "just work"
[09:48] <tjaalton> yep, it's handy
[09:52] <bryce> kinda dark, but... http://bryceharrington.org/Photos/my_desk.jpg
[09:53] <tjaalton> ffs, I'm fed up with the nvidia "out-of-pixmem" bug.. I need to upgrade my work machine! :)
[09:55] <tjaalton> sheesh, quite a desk you've got there
[09:55] <tjaalton> mythtv!
[09:59] <tjaalton> hold on, I took a picture of mine
[10:01] <tjaalton> http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/foo/10012008044.jpg
[10:01] <tjaalton> oh wait
[10:01] <tjaalton> now
[10:02] <bryce> niice
[10:03] <tjaalton> this is from the uni
[10:03] <bryce> yeah, I made the desk myself...  http://bryceharrington.org/Photos/Woodworking/Desk/
[10:04] <tjaalton> oh cool, I've done loudspeakers myself :)
[10:05] <tjaalton> quite a nice finish
[10:05] <bryce> ugh, that took forever
[10:05] <tjaalton> heh, I bet
[10:22] <bryce> hmm, I wonder if you have a different model BENQ; you've got a sticker or something top center, but mine's on the top right.
[10:25] <tjaalton> mine too
[10:44] <bryce> night timo.  http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/node/26
[10:46] <tjaalton> night!
[11:24] <ubotu> New bug: #181732 in xorg (main) "[hardy][livecd] xorg configuration problems on qemu-kvm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181732
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #159750 in ubuntu "screen resolution change ignored (dup-of: 154380)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159750
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #181478 in xorg (main) "Hardy Heron Alpha 2 - GDM login screen restarts to infinitum if some process crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181478
[12:35] <soren> tjaalton: If you're looking at 181732, the kvm (and kernel bits) in hardy should be sufficient.
[12:45] <tjaalton> soren: ok thanks, I'll reinstall my workstation today, and since vmware doesn't work I might just as well try kvm :)
[12:45] <tjaalton> on top of it
[12:47] <soren> tjaalton: Be sure to let me know if there are any problems with kvm.
[12:47] <tjaalton> soren: sure, thanks
[14:57] <ubotu> New bug: #181781 in xorg (main) "Visualizations crasches X" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181781
[18:15] <reynaldo> hi folks, I was wondering if maybe i could use your wisdom to setup my Radeon Xpress 200M card to work in a good way with xorg's ati driver
[18:15] <reynaldo> the fos driver
[18:16] <reynaldo> I'm on hardy, tryied it already, problem is it ends up been _so_ slow is barely usable
[18:16] <reynaldo> even 2D performance is unbearable
[18:16] <reynaldo> maybe this is not a bug and there is some tweaking that should be done ?
[18:17] <reynaldo> some tweaking I might be not aware of?
[18:17] <reynaldo> this is a cheap gateway laptop with 2G ram and a 1.73 core duo proc
[18:17] <reynaldo> I'd expect the fos driver to behave a lot better
[18:18] <reynaldo> no need to be blaze speed or anything like it, but at least usable
[18:23] <tjaalton> post the log somewhere
[18:24] <reynaldo> xorg log ?
[18:24] <reynaldo> ok
[18:24] <tjaalton> yes
[18:24] <tjaalton> pastebin etc
[18:26] <reynaldo> tjaalton: http://www2.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log
[18:29] <tjaalton> (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled
[18:29] <tjaalton> wonder why that is
[18:29] <reynaldo> can I force it to be enable ?
[18:29] <reynaldo> I'm not to good at my xorg kunfu
[18:30] <reynaldo> too
[18:31] <tjaalton> Option "DRI" "true" perhaps
[18:31] <tjaalton> I need to jump off the bus soon :)
[18:31] <reynaldo> http://paste.lisp.org/display/53967
[18:31] <reynaldo> tjaalton: please give me a few minutes of help :-)
[18:31] <reynaldo> it shouldn't take long
[18:32] <tjaalton> yeah, but I need to get off in a minute
[18:32] <reynaldo> okie
[18:32] <tjaalton> so 30min offline ->
[18:32] <reynaldo> turning on DRI then
[18:34] <reynaldo> amazing
[18:34] <reynaldo> complete freeze at restarting gdm
[18:34] <reynaldo> let me try restarting
[18:38] <reynaldo> tjaalton: http://www.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log
[18:38] <reynaldo> now i get a garbled screen, mouse works and I can swithc to a vt
[18:39] <reynaldo> other than that I cant login through gdm because I can't even see its loing dialog box
[18:39] <reynaldo> login
[18:45] <reynaldo> tjaalton: http://www2.udec.cl/~rverdejo/screen_garbled_with_dri_enabled_radeonXpress200M.png
[18:45] <reynaldo> thats how it looks like
[18:49] <reynaldo> tjaalton: you still with me ?
[18:51] <reynaldo> tjaalton: now the computer freezed, didn't do anything other than wait
[18:51] <reynaldo> _weird_
[18:53] <reynaldo> got it, the switch back to vt7 to take the picture was what freezed the laptop
[18:54] <reynaldo> so, with dri enable xorg garbles the screen, i can switch to a vt to take a log for instance, but the minute I switch back to vt7 the laptop freezed entirely
[18:55] <reynaldo> that would be all
[18:55] <reynaldo> you got pictures of the garbled screen and a full log of xorg with dri enable
[18:55] <reynaldo> im uploading the original log with dri disabled under a different name
[18:56] <reynaldo> http://www2.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log-withoutDRI
[18:57] <reynaldo> ok, that's the original log, the one with DRI disabled, works uterly _slow_
[18:57] <reynaldo> almost undearable, you can almost see the redrawing
[18:58] <tjaalton> so it's disabled for a reason :)
[19:01] <tjaalton> try changing the driver to vesa then
[19:02] <jcristau> vesa probably won't be any faster
[19:02] <tjaalton> could be true
[19:06] <reynaldo> I seem to recall i already tryied vesa with no better results but I will try it again see what happens
[19:07] <reynaldo> propietary ati driver isn't working neither, session gets inmediately terminated
[19:07] <tjaalton> reynaldo: did it use to be any faster with an earlier release?
[19:09] <reynaldo> gutsy, but i had no splash screen, the whole story is that this is a brother's laptop, he wanted to try out ubuntu so while he is in town he lended it to me for me to install ubuntu on it
[19:09] <reynaldo> gutsy worked bad.
[19:09] <reynaldo> so.. i went hardy's way
[19:09] <reynaldo> I have had his machine for like a week, with no pleasant results
[19:10] <reynaldo> totally pita been honest
[19:10] <bryce> tjaalton: some questions about dexconf in #ubuntu-devel when you have a chance
[19:10] <tjaalton> bryce: ok
[19:15] <reynaldo> tjaalton: i kind of forgot in gutsy the laptop didn't had sound working neithe
[19:15] <reynaldo> r
[19:15] <reynaldo> so going to hardy was somewhat of a given
[19:16] <tjaalton> ok
[19:19]  * tjaalton goes on the couch
[19:20] <reynaldo> :/
[19:31] <reynaldo> tjaalton: vesa doesn't work in the 'xserver doesn't start' sence
[19:31] <reynaldo> I'm uploading a log
[19:32] <reynaldo> tjaalton: http://www.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log-withVESA
[19:34] <reynaldo> just wondering, wasn't xorg with ati propietary drivers supposed to be able to use compiz and 3d stuff without xorg-xgl ?
[19:35] <reynaldo> I recall reading something about them using aixgl
[21:59] <bryce> tjaalton: work back from Rolla about the EXA issue:
[21:59] <bryce> s/work/word/
[21:59] <bryce> Hey Bryce,
[21:59] <bryce> Not sure what you mean specifically by "it seems that we won't get a
[21:59] <bryce> fixed intel EXA in time for hardy".  I just talked to Keith, and he said
[21:59] <bryce> that EXA works fine with the old memory manager.
[21:59] <bryce> He did say, however, that'll all change after Cantiga ships and we start
[21:59] <bryce> tearing the driver apart, but that won't be 'till after Hardy.
[21:59] <bryce> rs
[22:00] <tjaalton> yes EXA works, but the performance sucks..
[22:03] <bryce> I'll send her the bug
[22:04] <tjaalton> #177492
[22:04] <tjaalton> Bug #177492
[22:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177492
[22:04] <bryce> hehe
[22:05] <bryce> also bug 148247 you mentioned yesterday
[22:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148247 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Compiz not supported for G965" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148247
[22:05] <ubotu> New bug: #181885 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "Two-finger scroll and two-finger middle click together handled poorly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181885
[22:10] <tjaalton> yep, she's already commented that one
[22:10] <tjaalton> earlier
[22:13] <tjaalton> maybe I've misunderstood, I really hope so :)
[22:16] <bryce> tjaalton: btw, when you build packages, you don't use pbuilder, right?  are you just doing debuild -i -uc -us -S ?
[22:21] <bryce> tjaalton: btw, I've got a newer libdrm based off a git snapshot built (for UME)
[22:22] <bryce> I wasn't planning on incorporating it for Ubuntu, but if a newer libdrm would help, we've got the newer package available
[22:23] <tjaalton> for binaries I normally use pbuilder, unless it's just one file that's needed, then it's 'fakeroot debian/rules install' or similar :)
[22:24] <bryce> I've been having trouble using pbuilder when building a package and a new version of its dependency
[22:24] <bryce> in particular, libdrm for -psb
[22:24] <tjaalton> oh right, it won't work
[22:25] <bryce> I'm not sure how to build -psb using the new libdrm with pbuilder
[22:25] <tjaalton> it would be hard
[22:25] <bryce> so is debuild -i -uc -us the best approach in this case?
[22:25] <bryce> heh
[22:25] <bryce> yeah no kidding
[22:26] <tjaalton> yes, if you don't need to sign them
[22:26] <tjaalton> but what's the '-i' for?
[22:26] <jcristau> you can do lots of stuff using pbuilder hooks, i think (don't use it though, i use a plain chroot)
[22:27] <tjaalton> it's still icky
[22:27] <jcristau> tjaalton: dpkg-source -i ignores VCS files when generating the diff
[22:27] <bryce> jcristau: I did give a shot at using pbuilder hooks, but could never git it to actually notice the deps and use them
[22:28] <tjaalton> jcristau: oh, so just having -i is enough for the most uses..
[22:28] <bryce> hrm, ok sounds like at least I'm not missing anything...
[22:29] <tjaalton> hmm, now to think of it I've used -i".git" for xorg/xorg-server :P
[22:29] <tjaalton> or -I".git"
[22:29] <tjaalton> so the regex is probably not needed
[22:30] <jcristau> it was before dpkg-dev knew about git :)
[22:34] <tjaalton> heh, seems that it was done long ago :)
[22:35] <bryce> tjaalton: for this bug, aside from the performance issue, did we get rid of that dvd playback issue by going to EXA?
[22:35] <tjaalton> bryce: hmm, I don't remember that one..
[22:35] <bryce> "XV does not play with XAA under compiz, only with EXA" - http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist
[22:36] <bryce> it's mentioned in the OP of 148247 so I'm curious if going to XAA would reopen that issue
[22:36] <tjaalton> I guess so, yes
[22:36] <tjaalton> I'll test on my laptop..
[22:37] <tjaalton> not that it has a dvd-drive.. or any drive for that matter :)
[22:38] <tjaalton> (besides hd)
[22:41] <tjaalton> right, Xv doesn't work
[22:41] <bryce> rats
[22:41] <tjaalton> but you can disable it
[22:41] <tjaalton> from gstreamer-properties
[22:41] <bryce> is that with EXA or XAA?
[22:41] <tjaalton> XAA
[22:42] <bryce> right, are you able to confirm that it does work with EXA?
[22:42] <tjaalton> in a minute
[22:44] <tjaalton> yep, works
[22:44] <bryce> ok thanks
[23:16] <bryce> I finally got libdrm and -psb built for Hardy...  now to try getting them built on Gutsy... hrm
[23:16] <tjaalton> heh
[23:17] <bryce> for some reason in -psb it's refusing to build some of its files
[23:26] <bryce> ah my bad; unclean build tree.


[08:02] <dholbach> hello... sorry for not speaking Georgian
[08:03] <dholbach> does anybody of you know of a coworking space in Georgia, maybe in Tbilisi?
[08:03] <dholbach> somewhere where I could turn up with a laptop, hang out and work?