[00:55] <durt> hey folks, If I start testing karma, will jaunty packages (universe et al) work?
[00:55] <durt> sry karmic
[00:58] <Tekno> not recommended
[00:59] <durt> my understanding is that there are no universe till later, is this correct?
[01:00] <Roasted> Anybody running 9.10 in a VM? I can't boot the ISO in Virtualbox without it erroring out at the initramfs command screen, or whatever..
[01:02] <arand> Roasted: you could always go the upgrade route.
[01:02] <maxb> Nope. Running 9.10 on real hardware, though
[01:02] <Roasted> arand - I wasn't aware I could upgrade distros to a beta version.
[01:03] <arand> Roasted: "update-manager -d" should work by now, I think...
[01:04] <arand> Roasted: I went the upgrade route, but that was before even the update manger thing worked (just changed my sources list)
[01:04] <charlie-tca> Roasted: is that the desktop cd iso?
[01:04] <charlie-tca> The alternate works good for me
[01:05] <durt> arand: will that keep the jaunty packages that aren't built for karmic, or is my understanding of this way off?
[01:05] <Roasted> it's the i386 iso from daily build
[01:05] <Roasted> 32 bit
[01:05] <Roasted> I tried throwing it in a VM with Virtualbox and it just crapped out.
[01:05] <arand> durt: I think so...
[01:05] <thiebaude> hi arand
[01:05] <arand> thiebaude: helloo:)
[01:05] <charlie-tca> there is a desktop iso and an alternate iso.
[01:06] <Roasted> like I can hit the main screen and when I select boot to liveCD or install ubuntu, I get (initramfs)
[01:06] <arand> thiebaude: btw, I was formerly "ienorand"
[01:06] <Roasted> I'll try the alternate a while. I was hoping the iso would work
[01:06] <thiebaude> i didn't even know that,lol
[01:06] <thiebaude> no wonder i was looking for you earlier
[01:07] <arand> yea, I changed recently...
[01:07] <charlie-tca> The live cd is not any good yet. There is still a problem with aufs
[01:07] <thiebaude> i'll bbl going to watch Idol
[01:07] <Roasted> ahhhh okay
[01:07] <Roasted> thanks for that tid bit charlie-tca
[01:07] <arand> There really doesn't seem to be any good way to tell ppl about nick changes on irc...
[01:07] <Roasted> alternate CD installing now
[01:07] <charlie-tca> no problem
[01:07] <Roasted> err, downloading
[01:08] <arand> Roasted: That would've been a blazing connection otherwise
[01:08] <Roasted> arand - one could only hope, right?
[01:08] <Roasted> but naw, I have comcast, and I live in an area where everybody is about 110 and watches TV all day. My speeds now are kinda poor.
[01:10] <arand> ouch, at least I get good speeds ~1mb/s, on the other hand, everything from irc to gaming ports are blocked at uni here
[01:12] <Roasted> aight, I'm out fellas. Thanks again.
[01:15] <arand>  /sbin/ldconfig.real: libraries libpng.so and libpng12.so.0.15.0 in directory /usr/lib have same soname but different type. << I get this message whe I run apt, any ideas what could be the cause?
[03:02] <DanielRM> Anyone finding that yelp segfaults on startup?
[06:00] <fljohn> good morning afternoon
[12:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there, AFAYK if I install only the kernel from jaunty, will the radeon driver work or should I also upgrade the entire xorg?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:39] <BUGabundo> !ping
[14:39] <BUGabundo> ok i'm alive... still
[14:42] <BluesKaj> what's happening ?
[14:44] <hggdh> BUGabundo, hi
[14:44] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: hggdh hey guys
[14:45] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: nothing special... just checking in... calm day at work
[14:45] <BUGabundo> trying to group my personal nick and my work nick, but FAILed
[14:45] <BUGabundo> seems i cant group already registered nicks :\
[14:46] <hggdh> BUGabundo, I am now a member :-D
[14:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, BUGabundo I haven't bothered registering and cloaking my laptop nick ..too lazy
[14:48] <BUGabundo> hggdh: congrats!  And no, no issues -- was pretty much a walk in the park
[14:50] <hggdh> yes they did
[14:50] <hggdh> and the testimonials also
[14:50] <hggdh> (thanks, BTW)
[14:50] <BUGabundo> i think u have one of me, right?
[14:50] <hggdh> yes
[14:51] <BUGabundo> next step: MOTU?
[14:51] <hggdh> :-)
[14:51] <BUGabundo> funny how u got into bug squad before Member
[14:51] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:51] <hggdh> yes, but this will take a bit longer...
[14:51] <BUGabundo> u are in no hurray
[14:51] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:51] <hggdh> anyone can be -control, as long as they show experience on bug handling
[14:51] <BUGabundo> anyone can be a Member
[14:51] <BUGabundo> LOL
[14:52] <BluesKaj> what's required to become a member? Someone was bugging me to , but I don't think I have the skills.
[14:53] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: doing a great job to and for the Community
[14:53] <BUGabundo> advocating, helping, etc
[14:53] <BluesKaj> sounds arbitrary :)
[14:53] <BUGabundo> i do bug filling, advocating, promotion, user support, so on so on
[14:53] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: check my LP profile and my wiki
[14:54] <BUGabundo> then tell me its _arbitary_
[14:55] <BluesKaj> I said it "sounds" arbitrary :)
[14:55] <hggdh> BluesKaj, in fact it is not -- a member has to show commitment
[14:55] <BUGabundo> hggdh: and pass Membership meeting.... not always easy
[14:57] <hggdh> well, yes, there is that. But it is similar to passing muster to bugs-control
[14:57] <BluesKaj> guess I'm commited , but prolly not to the degree required , altho I'm on one of the kubuntu chat's almost every day, helping out.
[14:58] <BUGabundo> great BluesKaj
[14:58] <BUGabundo> if u have the guts to handle a denial, you could apply
[14:59] <BUGabundo> u never ~know
[14:59] <hggdh> there was a recent blog from seveas that talks about membership -- I will find it
[14:59] <BUGabundo> with the +1 of some of kubuntu ninjas, it should be easier
[14:59]  * ikonia points to the topic
[14:59] <BUGabundo> hggdh: WHAT? one link u dont have on hand?
[14:59]  * Pici was about to do the same ^^ topic
[14:59] <BUGabundo> guys lets move this to anotjher place
[14:59] <ikonia> thanks
[15:00] <Pici> Don't forget that #ubuntu-offtopic exists, and you're all free to join
[15:00]  * BUGabundo some one should mantain this # active... silence is death
[15:00]  * hggdh begs pardon
[15:00] <ikonia> BUGabundo: no it's not
[15:00] <Pici> BUGabundo: It shouldnt be active if its not Karmic related
[15:00] <BluesKaj> yeah, I know about being denied, handled a few lost promotions over the yrs :)
[15:00] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: hggdh #ubuntu-pt
[15:01] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: ping
[15:26] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:00] <blueyed> ALSA broken for anyone else? (this falls back to all-non-KDE apps then, since pulseaudio appears to use ALSA). Is there a workaround?
[16:01] <rski> sounds works everywhere except in youtube for me
[16:01] <BluesKaj> blueyed, what model soundcard  ?
[16:01] <BUGabundo> blueyed: KDE does not use PA
[16:02] <blueyed> rski: youtube or flash?
[16:02] <rski> flashmovies found on youtube
[16:02] <blueyed> BluesKaj: some old SB16 (snd_emu10k1)
[16:02] <blueyed> rski: but others work?
[16:03] <rski> yes
[16:03] <blueyed> BUGabundo: I know.. which is actually really nice currently.
[16:03] <rski> for example google video
[16:03] <rski> youporn etc
[16:03] <rski> :)
[16:03] <blueyed> rski: odd.. :)
[16:03] <BUGabundo> couch couch
[16:04] <rski> indeed
[16:04] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, wonders why pulseaudio is listed as 3rd preference in audio output devices
[16:04] <BluesKaj> er I wonder why
[16:04] <rski> so i have to use youtube-dl to watch them in mplayer all the time
[16:05] <blueyed> odd. now it works again, after restating pulseaudio..! previously it would complain about "snd_pcm_avail() returned a value that is exceptionally large" during startup.
[16:06] <BUGabundo> ahhh pulseaudio -k
[16:06] <BUGabundo> thats lovelly magic words
[16:07] <BUGabundo> blueyed: do u have both gnome and kde WM?
[16:07] <blueyed> BUGabundo: yes. only using KDE though.
[16:07] <BUGabundo> doesnt matter
[16:08] <BUGabundo> installing the other will get u both packages
[16:08] <BUGabundo> in this case PA
[16:08] <blueyed> yes. bad thing? would e.g. firefox/flash not use PA if I hadn't it installed? (guess so..)
[16:09] <BUGabundo> not bad thing. Should work (TM)
[16:09] <blueyed> well, after all, I could purge pulseaudio.. will try that the next time it causes problems.
[16:09] <BUGabundo> no idea what flash does
[16:09] <BUGabundo> its Closed Source
[16:10] <blueyed> if Kubuntu does not install PA, it should work without probably.,
[16:10] <BUGabundo> AFAIK kiling and re-spwaing PA, doesnt work very well for FLASH
[16:17] <BluesKaj> locate pulseaudio : /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.26/xineplug_ao_out_pulseaudio.so
[16:18] <BluesKaj> I don't have gnome installed , so where did that come from , obviously a plugin for xine
[16:20] <Pici> BluesKaj: Its in the libxine1-misc-plugins package.
[16:20] <Pici> see: apt-file search /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.26/xineplug_ao_out_pulseaudio.so
[16:21] <BluesKaj> yup
[18:43] <FLjohn> ok
[18:43] <FLjohn> can not get into buzzen chat
[18:45] <Pici> Eh?
[18:45] <Pici> okay then
[19:52] <RichardWolfVI> hey
[19:53] <RichardWolfVI> it seems I messed up my packages
[19:53] <RichardWolfVI> I guess I have to reinstall all ubuntu-desktop
[19:53] <RichardWolfVI> main problem, mi coonection doesn't work
[19:54] <RichardWolfVI> I'm using my old Intrepid Live CD in order to download the Alpha 1 iso
[19:55] <RichardWolfVI> Can you give me instructions on mounting the ISO and using apt-cdrom to repair my packages?
[19:58] <maxb> RichardWolfVI: You'll need to be a lot more specific about the nature of your breakage if anyone is going to be able to help.
[19:59] <BluesKaj> RichardWolfVI, alt+f2 kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list , and take out the # thats' in front of the deb cdrom ...source , save and then in the terminal do : sudo apt-get update
[20:00] <RichardWolfVI> maxb: I noticed a lot of packages in the local/obsolete section
[20:00] <RichardWolfVI> I removed them
[20:00] <RichardWolfVI> Now I know I shouldn't
[20:00] <RichardWolfVI> BluesKaj: I'm not using KDE
[20:00] <RichardWolfVI> GDNM is gone
[20:00] <RichardWolfVI> *GDM
[20:01] <RichardWolfVI> I can't even have a graphical session
[20:02] <maxb> RichardWolfVI: You are getting the alternate iso, not the desktop one, right?
[20:04] <RichardWolfVI> maxb: Well, it's the only one I see from the site
[20:04] <maxb> What is the filename you are downloading, then?
[20:04] <RichardWolfVI> apart from server
[20:04] <RichardWolfVI> kermic-alternative-i386.iso
[20:05] <maxb> good
[20:05] <acicula> cant get a prompt in rescue mode either?
[20:05] <RichardWolfVI> acicula: yes, I can
[20:05] <maxb> loopmount it, add a source to sources.list using a file: URL, and apt-get update
[20:06] <acicula> then why mess around with a cd?
[20:06] <RichardWolfVI> well, I need more precise instructions for it
[20:06] <RichardWolfVI> hmm, I'm on a LiveCD right now
[20:06] <RichardWolfVI> acicula: Network. Dead.
[20:06] <acicula> wireless?
[20:07] <RichardWolfVI> acicula: yes
[20:07] <acicula> ah yeah that's a pain, dunno if you can work networkmanager via a cli
[20:07] <RichardWolfVI> is a desktop computer, so I'm not moving it
[20:09] <RichardWolfVI> is there a way to burn the iso easily?
[20:09] <RichardWolfVI> from commandline, I mean
[20:09] <spaceBARbarian> is there anything new over jaunty in the dail builds ?
[20:09] <acicula> some updated software
[20:10] <RichardWolfVI> Gnome 2.27 and Kernel 2.6.30
[20:10] <RichardWolfVI> mainly
[20:10] <RichardWolfVI> Oh, and the intel driver
[20:10] <RichardWolfVI> 2.7
[20:10] <acicula> appearantly that's been backported to jaunty as well
[20:10] <maxb> RichardWolfVI: why would you burn the iso?
[20:11] <RichardWolfVI>  maxb: I though on using apt-cdrom
[20:11] <spaceBARbarian> k thks
[20:11] <maxb> That shouldn't be necessary.
[20:12] <RichardWolfVI> well
[20:12] <RichardWolfVI> I guess I'm saving the iso to the thumbdrive
[20:12] <RichardWolfVI> or is there a way to save it directly to the HDD?
[20:12] <maxb> You can mount an iso as a directory
[20:13] <RichardWolfVI> yeah, but I'm not command savvy
[20:13] <RichardWolfVI> mount image.iso /directory -o loop, right?
[20:13] <maxb> indeed
[20:14] <RichardWolfVI> then I add to /etc/sources.lst the line file://directory
[20:14] <RichardWolfVI> right?
[20:15] <maxb> yes
[20:15] <RichardWolfVI> nothing else?
[20:15] <maxb> why, what did you expect? :-)
[20:15] <RichardWolfVI> well, if these are the exact commands
[20:46] <RichardWolfVI> Which directories in the Ubuntu filesystem are not restricted?
[20:47] <hggdh> RichardWolfVI, what do you mean by "are not restricted"?
[20:48] <RichardWolfVI> hggdh: I'm downloading a file from a LiveCD
[20:48] <hggdh> and?
[20:48] <RichardWolfVI> i need to copy that File to my Hard Drive
[20:48] <RichardWolfVI> which has ubuntu
[20:48] <hggdh> ah, OK. /tmp is always a good place
[20:50] <RichardWolfVI> hggdh: It won't be gone at restart?
[20:51] <hggdh> well, yes. Then you should use your own home directory, for example
[20:52] <RichardWolfVI> hggdh: I mean, I'm on LiveCD right now
[20:52] <RichardWolfVI> I need to copy a ISO file to my hard drive
[20:52] <RichardWolfVI> so I can get to start Karmic from there and mount that ISO
[20:52] <hggdh> then you first of all need to find out if your HD is already mounted, and then find a directory there where you can copy the files in (or create one such)
[20:53] <RichardWolfVI> The drive is mounted
[20:53] <RichardWolfVI> I don't know which directory is free tio ude
[20:53] <RichardWolfVI> *use
[20:54] <RichardWolfVI> *to
[20:54] <RichardWolfVI> my /home/me directory in my HDD is not
[20:58] <hggdh> RichardWolfVI, run na 'ls -l' on your hard drive
[21:00] <RichardWolfVI> hggdh: I don't where it's locates
[21:00] <RichardWolfVI> *located
[21:00] <hggdh> RichardWolfVI, *probably* under /media, somewhere
[21:01] <RichardWolfVI> nope, it isn't
[21:01] <RichardWolfVI> nm, I found it
[21:01] <hggdh> also "mount" should show it, if it is mounted
[21:01] <RichardWolfVI> OK, what shoul I look for
[21:01] <RichardWolfVI> ?
[21:02] <RichardWolfVI> *should
[21:02] <setuid> Where is the place where I specify modules which must get unloaded at suspend/hibernation time, and reloaded when coming out of suspend/hibernation?
[21:03] <setuid> I have to make sure ath_pci and sierra get unloaded before I go down, and reloaded when I come back up
[21:06] <RichardWolfVI> hggdh: what should I look for in the output?
[21:06] <hggdh> RichardWolfVI, run a 'ls -l ' on your hard drive, and look for a directory with permissions compatible for your usage (something like 777, rwxrwxrxw)
[21:07] <RichardWolfVI> none
[21:08] <hggdh> OK. Try to create a file on your HD - for example, on a command line, run 'touch /<your HD mount point>/test
[21:11] <RichardWolfVI> hmm I'm using /var/tmp
[21:11] <hggdh> touch a file there, then run a 'ls -l' and see who owns the file
[21:12] <RichardWolfVI> got
[21:13] <RichardWolfVI> OK, I found aproper directory
[21:13] <hggdh> good, and good luck now ;-)
[21:35] <maxb> So, is all mdraid currently a bit broken in Karmic?
[21:35] <maxb> (bug 377395)
[21:35] <maxb> It sounds like it should apply to all mdraid, but if so I am surprised there aren't more people talking about it.
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Not that many outside of servers use it, maybe
[21:38] <charlie-tca> I doubt that many servers are going to test the development version
[21:41] <maxb> Huh. I use it for my homedir
[22:16] <yoasif> what package do i report against if my changing my brightness uses the old notifications?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> holla UDSistas


[06:55] <sahil> Hello there!
[06:56] <Unit193> Toodles.
[07:00] <irgendwer4711> hi
[07:00] <Unit193> Howdy.
[07:00] <irgendwer4711> Is there any know problem with xfwm4 (4.18.0-1)? I am getting a lot of traps a week. maybe this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=284285 ?
[07:01] <Unit193> Ah right I saw you say that earlier, but my only addition was "I don't get a crashy xfwm4", which is *really* not a helpful statement...
[07:04] <Unit193> irgendwer4711: Any PPAs used?  Interesting that you're affected by xfwm4 whereas the bug report upstream is on -session.
[07:08] <irgendwer4711> Unit193: no, pure ubuntu
[07:37] <irgendwer4711> Unit193: I do not really know, which causes the root problem, seconds after that traps, a Vbox error and a fscrypt: problem happend also
[17:28] <Kangarooo> Do Xubuntu also have wallpaper contest 23.10?
[19:58] <developer1> hi


[00:00] <geosmile> on a machine I have- df -h shows /dev/sdd2 450G 129G 298G  31% / --- there is no entry "/home", but when i do a ncdu /home -> I get 2TB - how is that possible?
[00:00] <geosmile> I found it, mount shows where it is from
[00:03] <MrKeuner> Hi, why wouldn't my screen go blank after the duration I set in power settings? How can I debug this problem?
[00:03] <MrKeuner> 20.04 here
[00:16] <ham1986> i increased the size of my drive from 36GB to 86GB by adding 50GB (virtual disk). I then used parted to add 100% of this upgrade onto the part 3 which is where the Linux LVM resides. I am still getting error messages when trying to install cuda informing that i've run out of disk space.
[00:16] <ham1986> fdisk -l /dev/sda | grep ^/dev
[00:16] <ham1986>  shows sda3 as
[00:17] <ham1986> dev/sda3  3147776 180363230 177215455 84.5G Linux filesystem
[00:52] <Hash> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/19.10/release/lubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:53] <Hash> The requested URL was not found on this server.
[00:53] <Hash> https://lubuntu.net/ I am trying to download this
[00:53] <Hash> Oh wait tht's old
[00:53] <Hash> hmm
[00:54] <Hash> https://lubuntu.me/focal-released/
[00:54] <Hash> I wonder if to get lts or .10
[01:12] <Maik> Hash: Lubuntu 20.04 LTS is supported for 3 years, 20.10 only 9 months
[01:24] <robertparkerx> I added a ppa for php. I had to install redis because I was using it before. Why when I installed new redis it installed for other versions too? php-redis
[01:25] <robertparkerx> when I try to 'purge' it will uninstall for all versions
[01:31] <ham1986> guys, whats the difference between sda3 and ubuntu-vg? which one is the logical volume?
[01:37] <ham1986> i need to add 2GB to Disk /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv: 20 GiB,<PHONE_NUMBER>0 bytes, 41943040 sectors
[01:37] <ham1986> , how can this be done using lvresize? im trying # lvresize --size +2G --resizefs /dev/ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lvv error path not found.
[02:21] <morris> someone still awake?
[02:21] <mefistofeles> nope :P
[02:21] <morris> haha
[02:28] <ldiamond> My ubuntu 18.04 VM has time sync issues. `systemd-timesyncd` is masked, what's used to sync time with NTP?
[02:30] <pavlos> ldiamond: can you paste the output of timedatectl
[02:34] <ldiamond> I started `systemd-timedated` and it's the right time now
[02:35] <ldiamond> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KdRwyMD7YX/
[02:35] <morris> it's 03:35 here
[02:48] <pavlos> you're GMT+1
[02:50] <morris> I know
[03:40] <GSMarquis> I have a stock X1 Carbon 6th gen. Integrated graphics. I am running stock Ubuntu ISO 20.10. I get lockups after waking, The Activity menu works. Apps do not accept mouse or keyboard inputs. I can close the app from Activity menu but nothing else. Alt-f2 "r" restart gnome does not work unless I click on activity menu, then do a Alt-F2 "r". After that Im good till next lockup.
[03:40] <GSMarquis> Same senario on 20.04 stock ISO.
[03:41] <mefistofeles> GSMarquis: something on logs?
[04:00] <k_sze> How well does Wayland work now (in Focal)? And assuming I *don't* use nvidia gpu.
[04:08] <morris> https://askubuntu.com/questions/948106/how-to-install-quake-3
[04:08] <morris> hell of a game
[04:09] <morris> only need q3demo and the baseq3 to install
[04:50] <geosmile> as a user, can i check if there are updates available on the ubuntu box? what command do i run for that?
[04:54] <Bashing-om> geosmile: Short answer is No: " apt update >> Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[08:07] <aeplus> hi guys, i am trying to install 20.04.1, and I was wondering how I can set the efi partition to be mounted as /boot
[08:08] <aeplus> i would like the efi partition to contain the kernel and initrd
[08:09] <EriC^^> aeplus: i think that's something you'd manually have to do, not in the installer
[08:10] <EriC^^> (post-install)
[08:12] <aeplus> EriC^^, the installer won't let me continue without specifying a /boot partition (the / partition is being placed inside an encrypted physical volume)
[08:12] <aeplus> i was hoping to avoid creating another /boot partition
[08:13] <EriC^^> aeplus: use /boot and the efi at /boot/efi, later after the install you can put /boot inside of "/"
[08:13] <EriC^^> ah
[08:14] <EriC^^> not sure how you could not create the /boot partition at installation, if you want, you could after the install make /boot partition into the efi partition, and during the install not create the efi partition or make a small one and add them together into 1 efi partition
[08:17] <aeplus> sounds like a plan. I'd like to preserve the existing efi and system recovery partitions. so I will delete the partition used for the OS, create the encrypted physical volume minus some allowance for /boot at the end of the disk, then grow the encrypted physical volume to cover the /boot directory
[08:18] <EriC^^> sounds good
[08:27] <kristian_> I'm having problems with my onboard bluetooth, and I read buying a bluetooth dongle can help. Do I need to do anything else than plug it in? How does ubuntu know which BT to use?
[09:18] <CorvusCorax> Hi. Question: I have 2 ubuntu installations on my computer on different hardrives - each with their own EFI partitions (one is a removable drive) - both using UEFI boot sequence. In my UEFI menu, both are labeled "ubuntu" - and I can't tell which is which (they also change order when one of the systems runs grub-install)  - How can I configure the UEFI grub-install to name the boot entry something different than ubuntu?
[09:18] <CorvusCorax> note, this is about the EFI boot menu, not the grub boot menu which comes later
[09:21] <CorvusCorax> note: I found a similar question on https://askubuntu.com/questions/1125920/how-can-i-change-the-names-of-items-in-the-efi-uefi-boot-menu - but the answer is unsatisfactory, it only temporarily renames it, the next run of "update-grub" will revert that
[09:25] <CorvusCorax> correction "next run of grub-install"
[09:44] <CorvusCorax> hmm I checked the gub source code. the label is taken from a default config entry called "config.grub_distributor" - but I haven't found that set in any config file. I wonder if that is set at compiletime for ubuntu's grub
[09:55] <CorvusCorax> correction, it is set in /etc/default/grub
[09:55] <CorvusCorax> just not to "ubuntu" but to the output of `lsb_release`
[10:06] <jeremy31> CorvusCorax: Don't mess with lsb_release
[10:07] <CorvusCorax> im not messing with lsb_release, I'm just changing the entry in /etc/default/grub to a hardcoded string instead of lsb_release invocation
[10:35] <ckb> I don't know if I'm in the right channel
[10:36] <ckb> BUT I'm having issues with supervisor
[10:36] <Habbie> on ubuntu?
[10:36] <ckb> yes
[10:36] <Habbie> then you are not in the wrong channel; but it is always possible there is a better channel
[10:38] <ckb> I actually think I've found the issue and it's a coding error
[10:39] <ckb> okay I guess I'll go ahead and ask what I was going to for scientific purposes...
[10:40] <ckb> why does supervisor stop a process because it exits too quickly?
[10:41] <ckb> currently I have a * * * * * cron to restart the script, but I make sure to use sleep()
[10:42] <ckb> s/supervisor/script
[10:50] <CorvusCorax> argh, this didn't work
[10:50] <CorvusCorax> issue is shim
[10:50] <CorvusCorax> shim has "ubuntu" hardcoded as a name
[10:50] <CorvusCorax> stupid secure boot
[11:45] <brrrrrrrz> Hi there! Could someone help me with SQL syntax? I am trying to install a language learning software with this guide here: https://www.mezzoguild.com/how-to-install-learning-with-texts-lwt/
[11:46] <brrrrrrrz> My question: what's "root" & "localhost"? And are those "'" necessary? As you can tell, I am an absolute beginner on this OS. Thanks in advance!
[12:35] <neorpheus> Hi all, I know there are probably better places to ask this question but im not sure where to turn. Does anyone here have experience with web hosting, setting up domains, stuff like that?
[12:36] <EriC^> !ask | neorpheus
[12:44] <neorpheus> Sorry. I Have some very old knowledge on building webpages. I am looking to set up a simple website hosted on a spare laptop in my home. I know how to set up the webserver, directory structure etc. My problem is that when I redirect my domain to my external ip, going to MyWebsite.com/index.html changes to my.external.ip.address/index.html. clearly
[12:44] <neorpheus> i am missing something, i have created dns entries as follows "@  ------------> A -----------> My.External.Ip.Address" and "wwww ----------> CNAME ------> MyWebsite.com" any help or direction to resources where i can learn more would be appreciated
[12:46] <deltab> how did you configure the web server?
[12:47] <deltab> the dns records seen fine
[12:47] <deltab> DNS by itself can't cause the URL to change
[12:48] <deltab> so something is redirecting at the HTTP level
[12:53] <neorpheus> *blush* i get the feeling that im about to feel really dumb. currently i do not have a proper web server set up and am hosting the directory structure for the future website via a program called HFS. link: http://rejetto.com/hfs/ . i know that i need to brush up on apache before i get too deep into this project but i thought i could take the quick
[12:53] <neorpheus> and dirty route bu using this to make my site available
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:23] <sub526>  Hi all, I’ve a doubt regarding the Copyright header in the source files. We have the source code for out of tree device drivers under 3 sub directories(“linux”, “windows” and “common” as given in https://pastebin.com/5bmn2Hvg)
[13:23] <sub526> The source files under "linux"  directory are with "Copyright (c) 2015 The Linux Foundation. All rights reserved" . The source files under "windows" directory are with proprietary Copyright. The source files under “common” sub directory gets used by Linux kernel module and also windows driver. I’m not aware of these copyright stuff, what
[13:23] <sub526> should be the correct copyright for the files under “common” sub directory?
[13:59] <bumblefuzz> so, there is 1 website that fails to load and it only fails to load on ubuntu
[14:00] <bumblefuzz> it works on the same machine from the windows partition
[14:00] <bumblefuzz> but on ubuntu, whether it's from firefox or chrome, it doesn't load
[14:00] <bumblefuzz> the problem is it's the 2-factor website for my school's email webapp
[14:00] <bumblefuzz> so I need it to work
[14:01] <bumblefuzz> any reason that a specific website should fail to load on ubuntu only?
[14:01] <bumblefuzz> or ideas for troubleshooting steps
[14:01] <bumblefuzz> ?
[14:47] <CorvusCorax> bumblefuzzzz, I would suggest testing it with a third system for example a mobile phone. there's a few reasons why a webpage would only work with one system:
[14:48] <CorvusCorax> 1. the server checks the User Agnet string for a specific system and gives different content/refuses to work if you don't have the right one. in this case a browser extension that fakes the user agent might help, pretending you are using windows
[14:49] <MrKeuner> Hi, my screen doesn't go blank after the duration I set in power settings. When I hit Super+L I get this in the syslog: Nov 30 09:49:01 weasel gsd-media-keys[2592]: Couldn't lock screen: Cannot invoke method; proxy is for the well-known name org.gnome.ScreenSaver without an owner, and proxy was constructed with the G_DBUS_PROXY_FLAGS_DO_NOT_AUTO_START flag
[14:49] <CorvusCorax> 2. the webpage uses extensions such as digital rights management, activeX (allthough that should no longer exist) or similar that are operating system specific. this could include extensions to communicate with hardware tokens or the computers secure enclave (crpyto chip)
[14:49] <MrKeuner> Can you help?
[14:50] <MrKeuner> 20.04
[14:50] <deltab> MrKeuner: do you have any screensavers installed?
[14:50] <deltab> I'm thinking "the well-known name org.gnome.ScreenSaver without an owner" may indicate you don't
[14:51] <MrKeuner> deltab, looks like gnome-screensaver is installed.
[14:51] <MrKeuner> I even tried uninstalling it and reinstalling
[14:52] <MrKeuner> I heard gnomeshell doesn't have screensavers but still it is capable of locking and blanking the screen
[14:52] <deltab> no idea then, sorry
[14:52] <MrKeuner> deltab, np thanks
[14:53] <CorvusCorax> MrKeuner, the error message suggests that it might be installed but not running and the current permissions prevent the windowmanager from auto-starting it. which desktop environment are you using? the default one?
[14:54] <MrKeuner> CorvusCorax, I think it's the default one. Gnomeshell?
[14:54] <MrKeuner> This system has been upgraded several times though. Not a brand new installation of 20.04
[14:55] <CorvusCorax> hmm then it might be missing some packages, or some configuration relics prevent it from working properly. can you make a second brand new user account on the same system and see if it works there?
[14:55] <MrKeuner> Okay
[14:56] <CorvusCorax> if not, then the problem is system wide (packets missing or global configuration borked) if it works in a brand new user account, then it could be some old user-specific config in your user home dir that messes things up. that helps you narrow down where to look
[14:56] <MrKeuner> CorvusCorax, got it thanks I'll look
[14:57] <CorvusCorax> :)
[15:00] <idmistir> Can I somehow prioritize network traffic to one IP above all else?
[15:00] <idmistir> considering I only have access to the machine itself and no network equipment
[15:14] <ddubya> is there a way to prevent gpu crashes from taking down a linux system?
[15:23] <leftyfb> idmistir: look into qos
[15:45] <ddubya> is there a command to switch user session with gdm? with ldm I could use dm-tool
[15:59] <zenn> hello guys
[16:00] <zenn> i'm having caps lock delay issue any idea how to fix it?
[16:05] <idmistir> leftyfb thanks, i saw a solution using `tc` - i haven't tried it yet
[16:26] <robertparkerx> I try to rsync -avzgopt 'ssh -p 8022' /local/path root@domain:/remote/path but it tries to use port 22
[16:29] <robertparkerx> nvm
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> ddubya: are you looking to solve a specific issue, or would you like to discuss methods?
[16:47] <ddubya> lotuspsychje, looking for methods, I currently use chvt was wondering if there was something safer
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> ddubya: ok, come discuss in #ubuntu-discuss please
[17:01] <Junior> yello ;)
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> welcome Junior
[17:02] <Junior> i have upgrade from 16.04 to 20.10 and i am having troubles with setting up the "hotkeys" for volume up/down
[17:04] <Junior> inside seettings _> shortcuts -> global shortcuts if i set the play/pause to a button it works, if i do the same for volumne up/down the buttons do not work altough i am able to assing them. This happens both on spotify and ff
[17:07] <Junior> forgot - kubuntu :)
[17:58] <imbezol> Package 'linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-56-generic' has no installation candidate
[17:58] <imbezol> i'm getting this error when trying to complete an update
[17:58] <imbezol> is this a known issue?
[17:59] <hggdh> did you run 'sudo apt update'? and what is the exact command that gives out this error?
[18:00] <imbezol> did apt update, and apt upgrade. if i do "apt list --upgradable" i get 3 packages.. linux-generic, linux-headers-generic, and linux-image-generic
[18:01] <imbezol> trying to upgrade them tho gives me: Package linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-56-generic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[18:01] <hggdh> imbezol: did 'apt update' give out any errors or warnings?
[18:01] <imbezol> no
[18:03] <imbezol> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wmGMyQc6Fx/
[18:04] <imbezol> if i try to specifically upgrade that modules-extra package i get the error "E: Package 'linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-56-generic' has no installation candidate"
[18:08] <leftyfb> imbezol: linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-56-generic is part of the proposed repo. You need that enabled
[18:08] <leftyfb> oh, wait, this is focal
[18:10] <leftyfb> imbezol: yup, confirmed. linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-56-generic is part of proposed on focal
[18:15] <imbezol> leftyfb: why is it trying to pull it in then?
[18:16] <imbezol> i'm not trying to run any proposed packages.. i'm just trying to upgrade what it says is in need
[18:16] <hggdh> imbezol: can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list?
[18:17] <leftyfb> imbezol: I'm not sure. the kernel package is in updates and proposed but the modules-extra package is only in proposed
[18:18] <imbezol> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/59xwRFMwzq/
[18:20] <imbezol> only things in sources.list.d are google earth, signal, and chrome
[18:20] <imbezol> and ms teams
[18:20] <imbezol> i don't see anything that could cause this issue
[18:22] <hggdh> yeah, I imagined these would be in sources.list.d/, and they would not affect you.
[18:23] <hggdh> imbezol: the only thing that comes up for ne is something is broken on your mirror. I just apt install --reinstall linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-54-generic on a server, and it downloaded the package OK (and I do not have -proposed)
[18:24] <hggdh> oh
[18:24] <hggdh> you are using 5.4.-56, sorry
[18:25] <imbezol> actually using <IP_ADDRESS>, but it's showing 56 is available for upgrade
[18:25] <imbezol> tho it doesn't work
[18:25] <ioria> but officially -56 is not released yet
[18:25] <ioria> !info linux-generic  focal
[18:26] <imbezol> ioria: then my system shouldn't be trying to upgrade to it
[18:26] <ioria> imbezol, i guess the issue it's not on your side
[18:27] <imbezol> i wouldn't even care because i'm sure it'll get sorted, but i'm actually trying to upgrade from 20.04 to 20.10 and it's telling me it won't proceed until i apply all available updates :P
[18:27] <imbezol> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[18:27] <imbezol> Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.
[18:27] <imbezol> PITA :P
[18:27] <imbezol> if anyone knows of a way to tell it to ignore updates, that would work too :P
[18:29] <ioria> imbezol, if that it's a spare pc (and i think it is) i would just wait or change sources.list directly
[18:29] <imbezol> it's my main workstation...
[18:30] <imbezol> guess i can try again this evening and see if it's been sorted
[18:30] <imbezol> seems like they released part of .56 but forgot this one part
[18:32] <imbezol> wow, just ran another update and it said 4 packages instead of 3 now... and the upgrade ran successfully
[18:32] <imbezol> problem solved
[18:39] <imbezol> do-release-upgrade running now. thx for the help all
[18:40] <coconut> lucky you
[18:40] <imbezol> you having issues with yours?
[18:41] <coconut> no i don't imbezol, just happy for you here
[18:42] <imbezol> gotcha. :D thx
[18:45] <Deano59> hi, anyone use an rpi4 and have issues with opening certain things? trying to open "thunar" and I have to wait 20+ seconds. I'm using USB-BOOT.
[18:46] <Deano59> pcmanfm opens instantly, but thunar and pavucontrol take over 20 seconds. could be others, not checked.
[18:46] <Deano59> it also boots fine...
[18:57] <hggdh> imbezol: makes sense. Today was the expected date for the release of the updated kernels for all Ubuntu versions (but I thought we were going to a -55. I guess there was a security update added in)
[19:17] <DocMors> btw has ubuntu mate it's own channel?
[19:19] <coconut> DocMors, yeah there is #ubuntu-mate
[19:19] <DocMors> thanks
[19:19] <coconut> DocMors, do a /msg alis list mate
[19:19] <random1> Anytime I enter 'sudo su' (and other various commands) I get "sudo: unable to resolve host administrator: Name or service not known" 'Administrator' is my hostname.
[19:19] <random1> If i change my hostname I get the same problem. Tried rebooting to see if it altered anything but this seems to be a persistent issue
[19:20] <EriC^> !hostname | random1
[19:20] <random1> Eric^: administrator
[19:21] <random1> ok let me see
[19:22] <random1> Eric^: <IP_ADDRESS>	administrator
[19:22] <random1> <IP_ADDRESS>	computer
[19:22] <random1> Do I change 'Computer' ?
[19:24] <random1> Eric^: I see what you mean. I fixed it. Im curious with hosts and hostname not matching what potential issues could it cause?
[19:25] <random1> or may have caused
[19:25] <random1> Just nothing more then a error popping up? Or would it throw off some settings. Just curious
[19:25] <EriC^> sorry no idea *shrug*
[19:26] <random1> EriC^: alright thank you.
[19:32] <leftyfb> ok, guys, we need some serious help. We're running some robots wirelessly. They were originally running xenial but we moved to bionic. Now when robots roam between AP's using PSK_FT(802.11r) , we get "wlp2s0: DHCP lease lost" from systemd-networkd and they go through the process of renewing DHCP. This shouldn't be needed and is causing delays/drops in traffic and big problems. I've been at this for months. We've looked into different kernels, wifi
[19:32] <leftyfb> chipsets, drivers, firmware. We can't seem to find where this is coming from or what is causing it. Here's some more info on the issue https://askubuntu.com/questions/1281380/networkd-and-wpa-supplicant-with-roaming
[19:39] <imbezol> leftyfb: i seem to recall experiencing something similar. i believe the problem was a poor DHCP implementation in systemd. in my case the solution was to stop using systemd and use netplan instead
[19:41] <leftyfb> imbezol: uh, you mean use ifupdown instead? I don't think you can use netplan without systemd-networkd
[19:41] <imbezol> nope nope
[19:41] <imbezol> sec.. lemme see what i did here
[19:41] <ddstreet> leftyfb it's probably because wpa_supplicant is dropping carrier during the AP handover
[19:41] <imbezol> i remember that cloud-init is normally used to configure netplan, but adds complexity to it, so i removed cloud-init too and use netplan directly
[19:42] <ddstreet> you could try marking the interface as critical to avoid de-configuring it on carrier loss
[19:42] <leftyfb> ddstreet: where is that done?
[19:43] <leftyfb> nm, found it
[19:44] <imbezol> in my case i was actually getting dhcp renewals even without losing connection. problem was that systemd didn't properly ask for a renewal, and instead would release and request a new ip
[19:45] <imbezol> you can tell if that's the problem because when the renewal comes up, you'll see it never asks for a renewal, and instead makes a new request
[19:47] <imbezol> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/15421
[19:47] <imbezol> was broke at 242, and fixed in 245
[19:48] <ddstreet> leftyfb if you're using bionic, CriticalConnection isn't availalbe there yet (pad.lv/1815101 might add it) but you might be able to use IgnoreCarrierLoss=true, though not sure how the dhcp4 client will react to the carrier loss
[19:50] <ddstreet> imbezol it looks like it got fixed somehow, but not clear what exactly the fix was?
[19:51] <imbezol> yeah i'm not sure on the details of the fix but at 245 a renew didn't cause a complete interface down and up and dhcp request
[19:52] <imbezol> if leftyfb is using < 245 then perhaps this could be relevant. if not i'd disregard
[19:53] <leftyfb> bionic is systemd 237
[19:55] <imbezol> leftyfb: you can tell if this is the issue by checking if you're losing the lease at an exact interval... in my case it was every 2 hours
[19:55] <imbezol> if it's only when you roam from AP to AP then it's likely a different issue
[19:56] <imbezol> grep DHCP /var/log/syslog
[19:56] <leftyfb> imbezol: sounds like 2 different issues
[19:56] <imbezol> yeah
[20:00] <coconut> i have two weird ones in "software & updates" under focal. It lists both my drivers for wifi and gpu wrong. It says i have a manual driver used for wifi(which i do not), and it says i have the nouveau driver in use(which i also do not, i have the nvidia in use).
[20:05] <Blade-Runner> i want to connect my bluetooth earphone 4.1 to ubuntu 20.04. Bluetooth in ubuntu sees the G3 says not setup but it wont pair. how do i findout if 4.1 bluetooth is an issue with ubuntu?
[20:22] <unixbsd> hi guys. ubuntu is so depressing, how it works. if you do not ask for installation of grub, installation crashes.
[20:22] <unixbsd> wifi on kde does not work out of the box either. there is no ifconfig to fix anything.
[20:22] <matsaman> ifconfig was replaced, IIRC
[20:23] <matsaman> maybe you should try the Debian net install image
[20:23] <unixbsd> dmesg and fdisk, need a bypass with sudo/su.
[20:24] <unixbsd> i installed ubuntu on sda5, and installation crashed. I just asked minimal and using JFS on sda5. nothing complex.
[20:24] <DocMors> ctrl-alt-t opens a terminal window, could you tell me where to find these key kombinations?
[20:24] <DocMors> even combinations
[20:25] <unixbsd> sSo, fixing, the efi does not allow (dvd) to run debootstrap file:://cdrom to fix anything. Seriously.
[20:25] <unixbsd> no debootstrap on dvd either.
[20:26] <unixbsd> ah ah, even better, the ubuntu installation replaced my grub2 of netbsd with its own without asking me anything.
[20:27] <unixbsd> there is no xterm, replaced by heavy console on PC.
[20:28] <unixbsd> et voila nothing works, it ends to : you are in emergency mode.
[20:29] <unixbsd> after loging in type journalctl -xb to view systems logs
[20:29] <unixbsd> to removeb... bla bla contrd D to continue. man, seriously.
[20:30] <unixbsd> It is very 20, and still ubuntu does not follow installation on a Ext. part sda5 partition.
[20:30] <unixbsd> It is very depressing.
[20:32] <unixbsd> cc not found by default. this would help to fix sthg.
[20:32] <pi0> how do i check how much swap space i have?
[20:32] <imbezol> sounds like you're new to ubuntu and perhaps not installing properly and not used to where things are at
[20:33] <imbezol> pi0: swapon -s
[20:33] <unixbsd> ah ah;) i just installed on partition sda5, like it should, and cleanly. I have 25 years xp on unix.
[20:34] <imbezol> sure, but ifconfig hasn't been common in a long while
[20:34] <imbezol> and wifi works out of the box on everything i've tried it on
[20:34] <imbezol> etc
[20:35] <unixbsd> ok, so all is fine actually.
[20:35] <unixbsd> fstab is having uuid, /proc/cmdline is clean
[20:35] <unixbsd> grub is clean. but it fails. all sounds quite nicely done wiht uuid.
[20:36] <unixbsd> let me try grub by hand to see.
[20:36] <unixbsd> it comes after passing the stage of loading the kernel.
[20:37] <unixbsd> Well, it seems an easy fix to handle. Developers might look at instllation on a given partition (extended, eg. sda5). It fails to loads sddm there.
[20:38] <matsaman> it's been a while, but I'm pretty sure the installer has a 'partition manually' option still
[20:38] <matsaman> Debian's certainly has
[20:38] <unixbsd> partition manually is not working. Have a look to fix this please.
[20:38] <sarnold> unixbsd: you may also wish to sudo apt install build-essential
[20:39] <matsaman> unixbsd: Ubuntu doesn't have that many developers
[20:39] <doug16k> does windows 10 installer destroy everything in the partition table like windows 7 installer did?
[20:40] <unixbsd> well, at least the installer should work in manually. I boot it manually from grub2 to see.
[20:40] <unixbsd> ok. I see the problem
[20:40] <doug16k> do I need to physically unhook all the other disks to preserve my linux?
[20:40] <unixbsd> the grub2 fails.
[20:40] <unixbsd> If I boot it up by hand, it boots.
[20:40] <imbezol> doug16k: in my experience, that's a good idea anyway
[20:40] <unixbsd> that was any easy fix.
[20:40] <unixbsd> your installer does not work well with /boot/grub config. it has a bug there.
[20:41] <unixbsd> /etc/fstab is fine, but the issue is when grub2 (grub mk config) goes it.
[20:41] <doug16k> yeah I should do the completely safe thing even if it isn't strictly necessary. thanks
[20:41] <pi0> space /swapfile                              file    20971480-2/swapfile
[20:42] <pi0> that is not enough space right
[20:42] <pi0> for swap
[20:42] <pi0> my comp seems to lag here and there
[20:42] <pi0> from time to time
[20:42] <pi0> especially when using obs
[20:42] <imbezol> pi0: depends what's your doing with it and how much ram you have. i think the general rule use to be to make as much swap as you have ram
[20:42] <imbezol> you don't technically need any swap at all.
[20:43] <pi0> this is an older 2015 macbook pro
[20:43] <pi0> 16gb ram
[20:43] <pi0> ssd
[20:43] <doug16k> I have 0 swap, 64GB RAM though. works fine. never OOM
[20:43] <sarnold> pi0: one or two gigs of swap is great, regardless of how much ram you've got
[20:43] <pi0> nice!
[20:43] <imbezol> pi0: if you're limited on harddrive space then i'd say to 8 gigs. if you have lots, then maybe do 16 gigs
[20:43] <pi0> oh 64gb
[20:44] <pi0> how do i go about creating swap space
[20:44] <boredguy> Is there something like readyboost for Linux?
[20:44] <pi0> after an install
[20:44] <matsaman> pi0: you have none?
[20:45] <sarnold> I say don't go above two gigs of swap space; it's nice for the kernel to be able to make better use of your ram if it can stash rarely used memory somewhere; but if you're 8 or 16 gigs deep into swap, you're having a bad time, and it'd probably be better to just kill something.
[20:45] <matsaman> boredguy: tmpfs?
[20:45] <matsaman> boredguy: or maybe 'swapboost'
[20:45] <pi0> space /swapfile                              file    20971480-2/swapfile
[20:46] <pi0> this is my result
[20:46] <pi0> not sure how to read it
[20:46] <pi0> how much is that value there
[20:46] <jayjo> is there a reason the default sources.list has separate entries for components from the same release archive? Will that do anything in terms of resolving a package with apt or is it just for ease or removing the line? Is a URI + release combination ever needed more than once?
[20:46] <matsaman> well, it depends on how you might want to suspend to swap
[20:46] <matsaman> technically you might need as much space as your RAM capacity to suspend to
[20:46] <pi0> i will have to do 16gb
[20:46] <pi0> i want it to be smooth
[20:47] <imbezol> pi0: tough to read it without the tabs
[20:47] <matsaman> pi0: so you've got a swap file instead of a swap partition, and you just want a bigger one?
[20:47] <Latoiu> Hi - installed ubuntu 20.04 and xrdp. When I connect the desktop feels odd. No desktop icons and for example settings tab doesnt contains appearance tab where I change theme and things like that. And when I open Home folder, I cant create any files with right click. Only folders. Any thoughts ? Feels odd
[20:47] <matsaman> Latoiu: xrdp is a pretty odd choice
[20:47] <matsaman> Latoiu: vnc?
[20:48] <matsaman> pi0: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/swap#Swap_file
[20:48] <boredguy> matsaman: I doubt swap and readyboost tech work the same way.
[20:48] <pi0> matsaman: well i would like to increase the size to the same size as my ram
[20:48] <Latoiu> I am not very good at this ... I tried couple vnc videos without any luck. Have something easy for me ?
[20:48] <matsaman> boredguy: I mean it depends on what you're trying to get out of readyboost
[20:48] <Latoiu> that i can try after installing xrdp ?
[20:48] <pi0> only because running obs seems to make my comp laggy
[20:48] <pi0> what is the command to get comp specs
[20:49] <doug16k> pi0, are things being out-of-memory killed?
[20:49] <matsaman> Latoiu: I thought it was all config'd out of the box with plain Ubuntu
[20:49] <matsaman> pi0: free -m
[20:49] <pi0> would cpu play a role in it as well?
[20:49] <pi0> for obs recording
[20:49] <doug16k> more than a little swap reduces speed and reduces occurrence of out-of-memory
[20:49] <Latoiu> I thought so too ... I activated the settings but for some reason I cant get it to start with ultra vnc from my windows machine
[20:50] <matsaman> pi0: obs?
[20:50] <boredguy> matsaman: better r/w speeds to a HDD
[20:50] <doug16k> I have an RPI4 with samsung EVO SD card. not even close to a cheap HD
[20:51] <matsaman> boredguy: by using additional storage to perform additional i/o, right?
[20:51] <matsaman> boredguy: that's kinda what swap is, anyway that's what swapboost is meant to be, regardless of the name
[20:51] <matsaman> boredguy: but tmpfs will do the same thing, in a different way
[20:51] <imbezol> looks like you're just using a file so you just make a new empty file of the desired size and then mkswap on it
[20:52] <imbezol> dd status=progress if=/dev/zero of=/newswap bs=1024 count=$((1024*1024*8))
[20:52] <doug16k> ???
[20:52] <imbezol> mkswap /newswap
[20:52] <imbezol> for pi0
[20:52] <doug16k> truncate --size=4G /swapfile
[20:53] <imbezol> much faster, thx
[20:53] <pi0> that command will increase to 16gb?
[20:53] <imbezol> i think i'd want to swapoff first, do the truncate, mkswap, then swapon
[20:54] <Latoiu> I activated screen sharing and then put a password and activated Wired connection 1
[20:54] <imbezol> might need to adjust fstab with new UUID too
[20:54] <Maik> matsaman: osb = Open Broadcaster Software
[20:54] <Maik> *obs
[20:54] <Latoiu> when I put the IP in tightvnc, it just doesnt connect
[20:54] <tangarora> is there a reason that virt-install is only version 2.2.1 in ubuntu an not 3.2.0 like fedora?
[20:54] <tangarora> I mean its missing lots of features...
[20:55] <tangarora> non of the cloud install options are in the 2x version.
[20:55] <doug16k> pi0, any size
[20:55] <Maik> tangarora: that's the way ubuntu work, like debian, older but more stable packages. Fedora ships newer packages
[20:55] <doug16k> within filesystem limits of course
[20:56] <boredguy> matsaman: tried swapboost, didn't notice any gains. I'll give tmpfs a try.
[20:57] <doug16k> pi0, oh, if you want 16G say =16G there. it's in bytes
[20:58] <pi0> nice thank you!!!
[20:58] <pi0> this is awesome :D
[21:00] <unixbsd> on desktop A: x11vnc   ;  On desktop PC B: xtightvncviewer 192.168.x.x     and you get the vnc, easy way.
[21:29] <bray90820> Can anyone recommend a mini PC that can support ubuntu?
[21:30] <sarnold> NUCs seem popular
[21:31] <sarnold> these guys are doing reviews of a bunch of these little tiny systems, but I don't know if they bothered looking at how they handle desktop use https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimicro-home-lab-revolution/
[21:38] <matsaman> bray90820: https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Hardware#Supported_Hardware
[21:40] <bray90820> Mathisen: It actually has to be X86 because I am gonna run discord
[21:50] <sarnold> you can't just rebuild it?
[21:50] <matsaman> don't have the technology
[21:52] <matsaman> bray90820: things you can use other than discord
[21:52] <matsaman> mumble?
[21:59] <IniGit> hi
[22:00] <IniGit> how do I start a terminal at startup and execute a command (for example a command which starts a server)?
[22:00] <bray90820> matsaman:  I am gonna use discord to recotd other people so I can't really use another app
[22:00] <matsaman> IniGit: but the Ubuntu install is a desktop install?
[22:00] <matsaman> bray90820: sure you can
[22:01] <leftyfb> IniGit: the proper method would be to create a systemd service unit file to start your service on boot
[22:01] <IniGit> matsaman: yes
[22:01] <bray90820> matsaman: Not when others are broadcasting on discord
[22:02] <IniGit> leftyfb: Why on boot and not after the automatic login? Is everything that I need already loaded at boot?
[22:02] <IniGit> Automatic login, because I run this server in a VM
[22:03] <leftyfb> IniGit: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-systemd-service-unit-in-linux
[22:03] <matsaman> bray90820: even then
[22:04] <matsaman> IniGit: you can probably use ~/.config/autostart/
[22:04] <matsaman> IniGit: if it were a non-desktop install, you'd definitely want to go leftyfb's route
[22:04] <doug16k> IniGit, it isn't a server if someone has to sit in front of the machine and poke at it to start it
[22:04] <IniGit> matsaman: why?
[22:04] <matsaman> IniGit: because ~/.config/autostart/ wouldn't be available on a server, for starters
[22:05] <doug16k> you mean how do I launch desktop programs automatically when I log on, not how do I start a server
[22:05] <leftyfb> IniGit: just create the service file. It's the proper way to do it. You will need to create a .desktop file in autostart for the alternative anyway. Just create the proper file to begin with
[22:05] <IniGit> doug16k: unfortunately I cannot start it remotely, because the mainboard does not support that
[22:05] <leftyfb> IniGit: mainboard?
[22:05] <IniGit> or bios
[22:06] <IniGit> matsaman: ok I understand
[22:06] <IniGit> doug16k: The command launches a verdaccio server
[22:06] <doug16k> to be clear I am agreeing with starting it with script and not agreeing with launching on a desktop
[22:07] <matsaman> if it's something you want only after you're using your desktop, ~/.config/autostart/ is actually more appropriate
[22:07] <matsaman> just depends when you want it and why
[22:07] <doug16k> if you want to start a terminal that is invisible, and connect to it from a desktop, then you want screen
[22:08] <doug16k> as in the program "screen"
[22:08] <matsaman> that's definitely a nice easy way to do it
[22:08] <IniGit> doug16k: I don't understand that
[22:08] <matsaman> IniGit: there's an app 'screen'
[22:08] <matsaman> it's super handy, and not just for this application
[22:08] <leftyfb> IniGit: would you like this service to restart on it's own if it dies?
[22:08] <doug16k> also with screen you can ssh in and connect to it from there too, no desktop needed
[22:09] <IniGit> leftyfb: yes that would be nice. It never happened so far, but it would not hurt to have that feature
[22:10] <leftyfb> IniGit: guess which method of starting the service will give you that feature?
[22:10] <IniGit> leftyfb: systemd?
[22:11] <leftyfb> yes
[22:14] <IniGit> Does this also open a terminal such that I can read the logs? I do not want to flip everything around, because I have no time for it and the machine can only be acceses inhouse. I want to keep the Ubuntu Desktop and connect via vpn and remote desktop to it.
[22:15] <quadrathoch2> doug16k do you know if it's possible to control a screen session within a screen session? if yes how?
[22:15] <leftyfb> IniGit: you can look a the logs like: journalctl -xefu verdaccio.service
[22:15] <gordonjcp> matsaman: tmux > screen
[22:15] <matsaman> gordonjcp: I've read that, but
[22:15] <quadrathoch2> gordonjcp oO, you can't even compare them
[22:15] <leftyfb> IniGit: you can run this over ssh, no need to "remote desktop" to it
[22:15] <matsaman> I use about 0.1% of screen's total features
[22:16] <matsaman> so that's not really an argument to get me to switch
[22:16] <gordonjcp> matsaman: same tbh
[22:16] <gordonjcp> matsaman: and actually 99% of the time I use screen as a serial terminal
[22:16] <matsaman> plus I think tmux's default bindings are on purpose different so as to not conflict with screen?
[22:16] <gordonjcp> matsaman: and indeed a serial terminal *multiplexer* so I can talk to a bunch of machines
[22:16] <matsaman> I also do actually prefer screen's licensing
[22:16] <gordonjcp> matsaman: I work for the emergency services, 9600-8N1 is more than a way of life :-D
[22:17] <matsaman> oh man
[22:17] <matsaman> I was super stoked at working at a 911 dispatch place once
[22:17] <matsaman> even in the interview process they were thinking about letting me play with the software solutions they had
[22:17] <matsaman> which blew
[22:17] <matsaman> but then they told me (after the entire process) that all vacation is based on seniority
[22:19] <matsaman> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#ISC
[22:25] <gordonjcp> matsaman: I do stuff for the Fire Brigade, the 999 control rooms are separate and patch you through to the appropriate emergency service
[22:25] <gordonjcp> matsaman: I think it's pretty strange trying to handle all possible emergencies in one control room
[22:25] <Maik> !discuss
[22:25] <matsaman> well these people were using some awful proprietary Windows software, the poor devils
[22:26] <IniGit> when I place something in  ~/.config/autostart/ will it be then executed in Ubuntu 20.04 after the login or do I have to add the script within gnome-session-properties too?
[22:27] <matsaman> IniGit: it can be, if you get the file format right, executed once you log in
[22:27] <IniGit> matsaman: file format?
[22:27] <matsaman> the GNOME part of your Ubuntu probably has a session manager that can help you with that, if you don't want to edit the file by hand
[22:28] <matsaman> yes it's a simple text format
[22:28] <IniGit> ok
[22:29] <leftyfb> IniGit: it needs to be a .desktop file format
[22:29] <leftyfb> IniGit: you're going to spend time creating a file with more required fields than the proper systemd file format
[22:29] <IniGit> leftyfb: I want to try both
[22:30] <matsaman> no it's a very simple format, and GNOME can make it for you
[22:30] <IniGit> I thought this is more easy
[22:30] <IniGit> matsaman: you mean gnome-session-properties edits this file?
[22:31] <IniGit> or what you mean with session manager?
[22:31] <matsaman> IniGit: former I think is right: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/startup-applications.html.en
[22:32] <matsaman> IniGit: https://askubuntu.com/questions/436891/create-a-desktop-file-that-opens-and-execute-a-command-in-a-terminal
[22:34] <IniGit> thx
[22:34] <matsaman> IniGit: although, looking at the server you're talking about
[22:35] <matsaman> IniGit: if it's a server that provides something you'll only use from a terminal ('npm'?), you could probably do this from ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc, too
[22:35] <matsaman> not that ~/.config/autostart/ isn't fine
[22:37] <matsaman> I mean you could even turn your 'npm' into a wrapper that automatically starts it if it hasn't been <shrug>


[09:49] <rmg51> Morning
[10:13] <InHisName> Morning to you rmg51
[10:16] <rmg51> o/
[10:29] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:03] <rmg51> kernel update, back soon
[13:33] <adom> morning
[13:33] <adom> i love that im always at least 2 hrs later than everyone else with the "morning"s.
[13:38] <JonathanD> You should get up earlier.
[14:18] <MutantTurkey> morning
[14:19] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: as should you.
[14:19] <MutantTurkey> I've been up since 6
[14:19] <MutantTurkey> thank you very much.
[14:20] <MutantTurkey> :-)
[14:20] <MutantTurkey> just no laptop till my second class
[14:46] <ChinnoDog> sup MutantTurkey
[14:46] <MutantTurkey> schoo yoo
[14:46] <ChinnoDog> ?
[14:51] <waltman> MutantTurkey: I was disappointed. I drive by TBird Lanes on Sunday and didn't see you outside. :(
[14:51] <MutantTurkey> sorry :|
[15:50] <MutantTurkey> going camping awwwwwwyaah
[15:51] <MutantTurkey> more like going to a cabin with my friends but sitll
[15:51] <MutantTurkey> it's a nice park, Linn Rn
[15:51] <MutantTurkey> Run'
[15:57] <waltman> It's not Turkey Season, is it?
[15:58] <JonathanD> mmmm
[16:00] <rmg51> it's always MutantTurkey season
[16:04] <adom> i dont get up early because i dont have to and because i work two jobs. 9-4ish here at the office, 5-10ish at texas roadhouse making real money :p
[16:05] <adom> although i do usually get up around 7:30 because my dog has to go outside
[17:23] <waltman> You make more money waiting tables than at your "real job"?!
[17:38] <MutantTurkey> anyone down to troubelshoot
[17:39] <MutantTurkey> I have a video card that has a video video output
[17:39] <MutantTurkey> like boring old video component output
[17:39] <MutantTurkey> doesn't work
[17:39] <MutantTurkey> with X11, but itwork in the console
[17:39] <MutantTurkey> dunno
[17:39] <MutantTurkey> xrandr doesn't see it
[17:47] <adom> waltman: absolutely. i dont get paid shit here.
[17:48] <adom> still techinically paid as a work study, even though i havent attended classes here for almost 2 years.
[17:48] <adom> well, almost a year and a half. been here 2.5 yrs total.
[17:49] <adom> they have one main salary sysadmin that delegates work to work studies. problem is, ive been here so long, there are things/methods they use here that ive implemented and they'd be crippled without me
[17:49] <adom> they'd have to subcontract in just for reimaging, i set the entire system up from scratch and no one knows how to use it.
[17:50] <adom> software i use (if anyones curious): http://fogproject.org/
[17:50] <PennBot> Title: fogproject.org (at fogproject.org)
[17:50] <adom> tried getting a WDS server up and running but couldnt seem to get our software to work with it correctly
[17:50] <adom> tried FOG and alls well
[17:50] <adom> also im the only linux guy here
[18:15] <waltman> adom: where is "here"?
[18:15] <waltman> Maybe it's time to renegotiate your compensation package :)
[18:34] <ChinnoDog> hi lamalex
[18:52] <[HCI]Maraakate> sup
[18:52] <[HCI]Maraakate> im actually looking to setup some really slim install of debian or ubuntu, whatever
[18:52] <[HCI]Maraakate> just need a small basic dev setup here
[18:52] <[HCI]Maraakate> should CD (not DVD) 1 of Debian be enough for most of my needs?
[18:53] <pleia2> yes
[18:53] <[HCI]Maraakate> I just need to grab GCC 2 and then start working on this code
[18:53] <pleia2> just deselect all the preselected install stuff at the end of the install, you'll get a super basic system
[18:53] <pleia2> in Ubuntu 12.04 you can check out ubuntu-core
[18:53] <[HCI]Maraakate> then just sudo apt-get whatever it bitches about when i go to run "make"
[18:53] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core
[18:53] <PennBot> Title: Core - Ubuntu Wiki (at wiki.ubuntu.com)
[18:54] <[HCI]Maraakate> let me see what the makefile dependencies are
[18:54] <[HCI]Maraakate> not sure
[18:54] <[HCI]Maraakate> yes this is for an old quake 2 engine based game btw
[18:54] <[HCI]Maraakate> anyways
[18:54] <[HCI]Maraakate> STD_CXX			= xgcc #g++
[18:54] <[HCI]Maraakate> STD_CXXFLAGS	= $(PLATFORM_CXXFLAGS) $(BUILD_CXXFLAGS) -fno-for-scope \
[18:54] <[HCI]Maraakate> 				-DDEDICATED_ONLY=1 -Duse_t=_use_t
[18:54] <[HCI]Maraakate> #				-fpermissive
[18:54] <[HCI]Maraakate> STD_LDFLAGS		= $(RPATH).
[18:54] <[HCI]Maraakate> STD_LIBS		= -lm -ldl # //solarisy  -lnsl $(LSOCKET)
[18:55] <[HCI]Maraakate> it originally had solaris stuff that was incomplete so we fixed that, now its been ported over to linux too properly
[18:55] <[HCI]Maraakate> but my buddy is moving and i was using PuTTy with nano to work on this
[18:55] <[HCI]Maraakate> so i have to set up something for myself and i have some old p4 laptop laying around i figured thatd be enough to work on it
[19:00] <[HCI]Maraakate> the ubuntu core sounds like its more effort to set all that up
[19:00] <[HCI]Maraakate> i just want a slim'ish install wherei  can just apt-get the gcc 2 and have some basic KDE or Gnome
[19:00] <[HCI]Maraakate> w/e idc which one
[19:00] <[HCI]Maraakate> just sometihng that works
[19:05] <jedijf> alt install cli only <--ubuntu
[19:20] <[HCI]Maraakate> oo buntu
[20:08] <ChinnoDog> core looks pretty cool
[20:10] <ChinnoDog> especially with rootfs of 20mb
[20:13] <ChinnoDog> hi [HCI]Maraakate, I have not seen you in here before.
[20:16] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: indeed, core does look interesting
[20:17] <jedijf> dl'd b2 and haven't had a chance to destroy it yet
[20:23] <ChinnoDog> Seems like a good place to start a new *buntu from
[20:23] <ChinnoDog> ChinnoBuntu
[20:26] <jedijf> do it!
[20:27] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: excellent.
[20:31] <ChinnoDog> ChinnoBuntu: The fastest Ubuntu, the way ChinnoDog intended it.
[20:33] <jedijf> ego much
[20:33] <jedijf> narcissibuntu?
[20:33] <adom> waltman: Mercyhurst College Institute for Intelligence Studies. now known as Institute for Intelligence Studies at Mercyhurst University.
[20:33] <adom> mciis.org


[08:57] <pitti> Laney: the systemd debs from that PR test fine locally, I can't reproduce the eternal hang; if I start a few tests manually with some changes, could I bother you with killing them again?
[08:58] <pitti> Laney: the log included in the tarball was just a random interruption, it didn't show the actual tmpfail; so I would turn off the reboot smoke test at first and see how far that gets
[09:04] <LocutusOfBorg> jamespage, I'm doing a sync of glusterfs
[09:08] <Laney> pitti: sure
[09:08] <LocutusOfBorg> can you please double check the systemd files?
[09:08] <Laney> I wonder why this isn't reproducible elsewhere though
[09:08] <Laney> given that it's extremely consistent in scalingstack
[09:11] <pitti> Laney: ok, thanks; I started with disabling "upstream" and "boot-smoke" tests, to establish a base line (https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/6392)
[09:12] <Laney> pitti: you're triggering these manually, right?
[09:12] <Laney> :)
[09:12] <pitti> Laney: queues have drained, did lgw01 came back and went though them all, or was some more surgery involved? :-)
[09:12] <Laney> it came back
[09:12] <pitti> Laney: yes, I won't add them to webhooks for now, just selected manual tests on a packaging branch
[09:12] <Laney> they just had to turn it (nova-compute) off and on again
[09:12] <pitti> haha
[09:12] <wgrant> It'll hopefully be redeployed soonish, so it'll be more reliable.
[09:13] <wgrant> I'm this evening bringing up staging s390x vbuilders on bos02, which is deployed in a slightly more sensible way that will eventually be rolled out everywhere.
[09:13] <wgrant> icehouse is getting a bit old.
[09:26] <Laney> I've been hearing rumours about that
[10:09] <LocutusOfBorg> cpaelzer, pleeeeease can you merge multipath-tools? I would like, but I failed understanding some changes
[10:28] <pitti> Laney: just 6 amd64 tests running in parallel, still cloud woes?
[10:30] <Laney> pitti: quota; things backed off
[10:38] <cpaelzer> LocutusOfBorg: hehe
[10:38] <cpaelzer> LocutusOfBorg: I was waiting on cyphermox, but you know what if time permits I can prepare a merge and hand it to both of you for a review
[10:38] <cpaelzer> I'm PTO soon, so I'd not like to upload before leaving for a while
[10:39] <cpaelzer> will see If I can squeeze some of that in this week and let you know LocutusOfBorg, cyphermox
[10:39] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[10:40] <LocutusOfBorg> it should be a matter of grab-merging it, the merge failures should be trivial for a person who have done it previously
[10:40] <LocutusOfBorg> but I don't want to touch it
[12:56] <cpaelzer> LocutusOfBorg: I have the merge complete, was a bit ugly since some debian changes conflicted with ours but I think I was able to resolve
[12:57] <cpaelzer> LocutusOfBorg: will build and test now, once that is done I'll throw at you and cyphermox for review and upload
[13:06] <LocutusOfBorg> just ping and I'll have a look, lovely thanks!
[13:32] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: btw I had already done liburcu rebuilds except for netsniff-ng
[13:33] <jbicha> so liburcu could have migrated now but it has to wait for the autopkgtests to be redone :|
[13:52] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, sorry, for some reasons they were listed in the bad list
[13:59] <jbicha> what bad list?
[14:14] <LocutusOfBorg> I crafted a list of stuff to rebuild, probably in some wrong way
[14:17] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/artful/update_output.txt and update_output_notest.txt provide a sort of tracker if you can read it
[14:18] <LocutusOfBorg> the notest would have done the trick probably, thanks!
[14:18] <LocutusOfBorg> I still prefer rdepends but I fail sometimes because I do it against artful, never found a way to make it look for artful-proposed
[14:18] <jbicha> I think the autopkgtests were good by now though
[14:19] <LocutusOfBorg> not by this morning :)
[14:20] <jbicha> not any more, but they were good except for netsniff-ng
[14:33] <cpaelzer> LocutusOfBorg: cyphermox: I set you both as reviewer on the multipath-tools merge, should be in your inbox from LP
[14:35] <LocutusOfBorg> I prefer cyphermox and to wait some bits
[14:35] <LocutusOfBorg> to make liburcu migrate
[14:36] <cpaelzer> As I said I'm soon away a bit, so time will pass :-)
[14:39] <LocutusOfBorg> cpaelzer, debian/tests/control gone?
[14:41] <cpaelzer> from the delta maybe, should be all in debian now
[14:42] <cpaelzer> I upstreamed all we had to Debian so we can drop delta
[14:42] <cpaelzer> it is still there, just checked
[14:42] <LocutusOfBorg> I see it has been upstreamed differently but ok
[15:01] <juliank> apt 1.4.7 just entered that apt ppa for zesty (https://launchpad.net/~deity/+archive/ubuntu/apt). I rebuild the changes file for zesty, but kept the .dsc and .tar.xz unchanged from the debian stretch update. For the SRU (bug 1702326), we can either pick the update like this, change the distribution info in debian/changelog, or change distro + version to something like 1.4.7+16.10.1.
[15:02] <juliank> I can also update the SRU bug then to handle any other stuff that might have been forgotten in the 1.4.{1,2,3,4,5,6} SRUs
[15:03] <juliank> Not sure if anyone else has been sharing a branch between a debian stable and an ubuntu stable release yet
[15:04] <juliank> Optimally, I'd syncpackage it but (a) Launchpad did not pick it up from stretch-proposed, and (b) no diffs for SRU reviewers :(
[15:04] <juliank> So currently, it's more of a fake sync
[15:27] <cyphermox> cpaelzer: I review multipath-tools; feel free
[15:28] <cyphermox> I'll do another run of testing with everything together (ie. from d-i) once it's in the archive.
[15:32] <cpaelzer> thanks cyphermox
[15:32] <cpaelzer> I'll address whatever review comes up tmrw morning and if nothing blocking I'll upload
[15:33] <cpaelzer> e.g. a few of nacc's automated nack's don't count on this, but I want to check them still
[15:33] <cpaelzer> thanks for the offer on the extra round of testing
[15:49] <juliank> grr. i want to close *all* segv and friend bugs in apt.
[15:58] <slangasek> stgraber, kees, infinity, mdeslaur: TB meeting in 2?
[15:58] <mdeslaur> ack
[15:58] <slangasek> (if stgraber is around to chair, I guess I should have checked with him when I was face-to-face with him 10 minutes ago :P)
[16:25] <stgraber> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25119707/
[16:26] <stgraber> slangasek: downloads the build chroot from LP, turns that into a LXD image and creates a container from it. If the image already exists, just re-uses it (unless -u is passed to force an update). It repacks the build chroot to rename the directory that's in it and add the needed bit of metadata for LXD. Seems to work okay here.
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg> cyphermox, so you take care of multipath upload? thanks
[16:34] <cjwatson> juliank: Do you know of something left to do in Launchpad for bug 1417717?  https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/apt/+pots/apt-utils looks fine to me now (especially by comparison to vivid).
[16:37] <slangasek> stgraber: excellent, thanks
[16:57] <juliank> cjwatson: I don't know, I don't see when the files where last imported
[16:59] <juliank> All I see in the queues are "Needs Review"
[16:59] <juliank> The last time I saw something different (last year?) they failed IIRC
[17:00] <cjwatson> juliank: OK, that's not a Launchpad problem, that's up to translations admins to garden the import queue if appropriate
[17:01] <juliank> I just wonder where the failed ones went
[17:01] <cjwatson> juliank: And I think the import queue is mostly obj-*/**/*.pot which is probably boring ...
[17:02] <cjwatson> juliank: Do you know if there have in fact been failures in artful?
[17:02] <juliank> No
[17:02] <juliank> It was back in xenial days
[17:02] <juliank> In any case apt does not use the translations yet AFAIUI, but if they are at least working on the translate side, that's good.
[17:03] <juliank> Gotta add some langpack hack into apt add some point, so it prefers langpack ones over its own files
[17:03] <cjwatson> juliank: The way the imports are apparently per-architecture due to these obj-* directories is pretty suboptimal.  Is there a way to avoid that?
[17:04] <juliank> Well, there are always ways to make that different, but that's the build directory debhelper picks, and I build the pot files in the build directory
[17:04] <juliank> It would be enough to just try the import on amd64 and ignore the others or something
[17:05] <juliank> I think that's the same with most packages really, or does any build arch-specific po(t) files?
[17:05] <cjwatson> Most packages ship them in source tarballs
[17:06] <cjwatson> Though they do often get updated
[17:06] <cjwatson> (usually in place though, not in obj-* directories)
[17:06] <cjwatson> Anyway, we can just import them all I imagine
[17:07] <cjwatson> Let me see what I can do
[17:07] <juliank> Well, we combine and split the files, as we have one domain to translate really (apt-all), but several target domains (apt-utils apt-doc, etc)
[17:08] <juliank> We only ship the apt-all .pot and .po files in the source package, as we want them to be translated as one, as they can share strings
[17:08] <juliank> There was the idea to just move to one "apt" translation domain and ship them in apt-common or something
[17:09] <juliank> That's about 3 MB of translations
[17:10] <cjwatson> juliank: I'm a bit confused by the separate .sh.pot and .c.pot templates - are those intentional?
[17:10] <juliank> cjwatson: They are the results of running xgettext against sh and the c++ files, and merged into the normal .pot
[17:11] <cjwatson> juliank: I think it might make things less confusing if you removed those temporary files ...
[17:12] <juliank> There's a lot of weird caching and stuff in the build system going on
[17:13] <cjwatson> juliank: At least before dh_builddeb runs
[17:13] <juliank> cjwatson: I guess it's easier to just rename them .c-pot and .sh-pot or something :)
[17:13] <cjwatson> That would work too, yes
[17:16] <cjwatson> I'll block them for now
[17:20] <juliank> cjwatson: I'm really thinking about just dropping the split translation domains and stuffing it into apt-common or something, that reduces .mo space requirements from 5.7 to 2.7 MiB on a system with both apt and apt-utils installed; and fixes all issues with launchpad imports
[17:21] <juliank> Then it just gets po/apt.pot and po/*.po :)
[17:25] <juliank> Forget the 5.7 quote, it's more like half of it (2.8)
[17:28] <juliank> xnox: If net-update is really disabled everywhere now, I'd prefer dropping the code from apt-key. I was just triaging bugs :)
[17:29] <juliank> If we don't really want it anymore, let's just kill it :)
[17:29] <juliank> If anyone here is interested in merging all apt translations into apt-common: The sizes are: just apt: 2374622; with apt-utils: 2930575, combined: 2806311
[17:30] <juliank> That is +0.5 MB for a tiny chroot without apt-utils, and -0.1MB for a normal system with both
[17:30] <cjwatson> juliank: I've done the requisite clickyclicky now
[17:31] <juliank> cjwatson: Thanks
[17:34] <juliank> I guess the code for making langpacks work is to just call bindtextdomain("/usr/share/locale-langpack") under some condition (as in: an apt translation exists in there). Preferably I'd like to try both, but unfortunately it does not seem gettext allows that
[17:35] <juliank> And well, do the binding fun in library init functions
[17:35] <juliank> or in InitConfig or something
[17:39] <juliank> The alternative would be to have an "apt-langpack" domain that the langpack uses and then just check apt-langpack first and fall back to the normal domain if that fails
[17:39] <juliank> (per-msgid fallback)
[17:40] <juliank> The hacky solution is probably to just decide based on which .mo file is larger
[18:23] <rbasak> pdeee: I'm working on the SRU exception documentation. Thank you for the docs you had prepared in relation to this. I'm going for documenting a full standing exception based on that documentation, so we don't need to detail every change on every update. My draft (work in progress) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/Certbot. Can you suggest anything specific that we could use as a
[18:23] <rbasak> process to make sure that a proposed update (once built and available to users) is good, which we can ensure is done before pushing the update out to users?
[18:23] <rbasak> bmw: ^
[18:45] <juliank> cjwatson: Re bug 1123272 - I think we could potentially improve apt downloading speed by 50% by switching from MD5+SHA1+SHA256 to MD5+SHA512 (as SHA512 is 50% faster than SHA256, and we drop one hash, though md5 would be nicer to drop)
[18:46] <juliank> Because apt validates them all, that seems to be a bottleneck for high-bandwidth, slow-cpu users
[18:47] <juliank> things might look different on 32-bit system, no idea
[19:47] <juliank> grr, people in 1123272 are annoying
[19:47] <juliank> in bug 1123272
[19:47] <juliank> "APT downloads have CPU bottleneck, everything is fine with CURL"
[19:47] <juliank> lol
[19:47] <juliank> Seriously, we run 3 hashes on the input, and curl does like nothing.
[19:47] <juliank> Will things improve if we run verification and download in parallel?
[19:52] <Unit193> juliank: Pretty sure the slowdown I hit might be re-compressing.
[19:52] <Unit193> *might be*, I don't know.
[19:52] <juliank> Unit193: Well, that only happens with pdiffs or acquire::gzipindexes
[19:53] <juliank> and achieves about 200 MB/s or so
[19:53] <juliank> or was it 1GB/s?
[19:53] <Unit193> On your hardware*
[19:53] <juliank> ehm, 2 GB/s
[19:54] <juliank> Yes, but it's a 5 year old midrange laptop CPU
[20:37] <cjwatson> juliank: Or we could only check the strongest.  There's not much point in checking multiple hashes
[20:54] <juliank> cjwatson: Well, yeah, mostly, they are all MD constructions anyway
[20:55] <juliank> But if we add something like SHA3 or BLAKE2b, we probably do want to run all available ones (one per family)
[20:55] <sarnold> you'll never please security nuts
[20:56] <juliank> We can at least make checking of untrusted hashes optional
[20:56] <sarnold> yeah no point in burning cpu time on md5
[20:57] <Unit193> sarnold: Teeechnically since md5 and sha1 are broken, if you check both then it's "safe enough" :>
[20:57] <juliank> Well, SHA1 is also marked untrusted
[20:57] <juliank> But then it also checks file size via the same mechanism
[20:57] <sarnold> Unit193: yeah I haven't seen any polyglot sha1 and md5s. yet.
[20:57] <juliank> So you need to factor in cost or special case filesize
[20:58] <juliank> Optimally, right now, we'd use SHA-512 on 64-bit, and SHA-256 on 32-bit platforms
[20:59] <juliank> As SHA-512 is about 50% faster than 256 on 64-bit, or even more
[21:00] <Unit193> sarnold: BTW, seen anything in security team about irssi or gnome-exe-thumbnailer?
[21:00] <sarnold> Unit193: I've seen the gnome-exe-thumbnailer bug, dunno if it's had any progress yet
[21:01] <sarnold> juliank: yeah; or maybe blake2*mumble* everywhere?
[21:01] <Unit193> sarnold: Was just uploaded to Debian, has CVE-2017-11421 now.  I poked md<tab> a few days ago about Irssi, as I'd already done themerge.
[21:02] <juliank> sarnold: Well, I'd like to couple blake2 with a sha2, to have something very-well-researched in there
[21:02] <juliank> And BLAKE2b is fast on 64-bit only, on 32-bit you'd want BLAKE2s
[21:02] <ahasenack> hi, could someone please accept my nominations for bug #1698758 ?
[21:03] <juliank> So ship SHA256+SHA512+B2s+B2b?
[21:03] <sarnold> juliank: oh there's an idea that never occurred to me
[21:03] <sarnold> four hashes but check the fastest two on each platform? heh
[21:03] <juliank> and then pick (SHA512, B2b) or (SHA256, B2s) depending on whether 64 or 32 bit
[21:04] <Unit193> Unfortunate that b2sum only supports one method.
[21:05] <juliank> Yep
[21:05] <juliank> The coreutils variant was stripped down
[21:05] <juliank> The initial one supports all variants
[21:07] <juliank> B2b + SHA512 should run in like 5.3 seconds or so here
[21:07] <juliank> for 1GB
[21:08] <juliank> Like 20% slower than SHA256 on its own
[21:22] <Unit193> juliank: What, other than b2sum and openssl 1.1, does blake/keccak?
[21:22] <cjwatson> sarnold: polyglot sha1/md5 was demonstrated something like ten years ago
[21:23] <cjwatson> more, I think
[21:23] <cjwatson> sarnold: it's about six bits harder than sha1 alone
[21:23] <sarnold> cjwatson: sorry, I meant _collided_ sha-1/md5 polyglots..
[21:26] <cjwatson> sarnold: that's the Joux multicollisions result, surely?
[21:27] <sarnold> cjwatson: let me go read! :D
[21:27] <cjwatson> sarnold: I admit I don't know if there've been *specific* collisions demonstrated, only the theory
[21:28] <juliank> Unit193: librsync, argon2 algorithm, the noise protocol, amongst others, use blake2
[21:28] <juliank> See https://blake2.net/#us
[21:28] <Unit193> juliank: Sorry, I was referring to frontend commands.
[21:28] <juliank> Oh
[21:28] <Unit193> Figured you might know offhand.
[21:29] <juliank> I don't think there are any other tools
[21:30] <juliank> SHA3 is done by nettle-hash in nettle-bin
[21:31] <juliank> and well by rhash, but that's incredibly slow IIRC
[21:31] <juliank> I guess we'll add a helper to apt shortly
[21:31] <juliank> Like /usr/lib/apt/apt-helper hash-file or something
[21:32] <juliank> It's really not a lot of code, and quite useful :)
[22:02] <mapreri> cjwatson, infinity: I'm looking at the devscripts delta, and I wonder whether we really need it.  If 'needs-recomends' doesn't pull the recommends that's an autopkgtest bug, not something that should be done in devscripts.
[22:02] <mapreri> also it looks rather odd.
[22:02] <mapreri> I'd personally say to just sync it now, and see how it goes with the upcoming perl transition
[22:12] <cjwatson> mapreri: I disagree that it's an autopkgtest bug that it doesn't pull recommends.
[22:13] <cjwatson> mapreri: But you can sync it if you promise to be responsible for cleaning up any resulting breakage in the next Perl transition, I guess (and if the debhelper dependency is no longer needed either)
[22:13] <mapreri> well, if I write 'Restriction: needs-recommends' it means I really want the recommended packages installed, doesn't it?
[22:14] <mapreri> cjwatson: I was about to add those packages in devscripts.git in debian, but then realized that to me they look mostly noise/cruft...
[22:15] <cjwatson> mapreri: I'm not sure it necessarily means that they should be treated as hard dependencies for the purposes of the dependency resolver; I don't remember the details, I just remember it being difficult to reason about
[22:15] <cjwatson> mapreri: Mostly I don't want us to have to disentangle the whole mess again, so perhaps do me a favour and don't go through the whole Perl stack removing all of the workarounds of that form in one go?
[22:16] <mapreri> I have no intentions (nor the time!) to go through all of perl :)
[22:16] <mapreri> was just interested in devscripts
[22:17] <mapreri> cjwatson: I'll just sync devscripts, and keep an eye on it after the perl transition starts :)
[22:17] <mapreri> cjwatson: do you know if ubuntu plans to do it at the same time of debian, or when?
[22:39] <xnox> i'm not sure if needs-recommends was ever implemented properly
[22:40] <cjwatson> mapreri: don't know
[22:41] <cjwatson> I assume depends on timing with respect to freezes as usual
[23:00] <bmw> rbasak: what kind of testing did you have in mind and what limitations are there on the environment the tests can be run in?
[23:05] <doko> mwhudson: is cloud-init now the only thing blocking 3.6 as the default?
[23:05] <doko> tumbleweed: debconf ping
[23:05] <mwhudson> doko: yeah, i think so
[23:06] <mwhudson> doko: i mean there's a bunch of failures in universe still but most of those are in the archive too
[23:06] <mwhudson> whut https://launchpadlibrarian.net/329584191/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-amd64.pylint_1.7.2-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[23:07] <doko> mwhudson: as a work around, would it be possible to use 3.5 explicitly?
[23:07] <mwhudson> pretty sure that built locally
[23:07] <mwhudson> oh well
[23:07] <mwhudson> doko: the patch to cloud-init is known and i think smoser thinks the last upload included it
[23:07] <doko> I mean, that would mean that we have to keep 3.5 as supported, but it would be a way forward
[23:07] <mwhudson> so as a cloud-init upload is needed i'd rather see if we can use the right fix...
[23:08] <mwhudson> afk for 5-10 sorry
[23:20] <rbasak> bmw: integration/functional test level, for the entire set of proposed certbot updates for a particular Ubuntu release. I'm interested in catching things that are introduced after your tests for release, so things like packaging issues and differences in dependency versions and so on.
[23:21] <rbasak> bmw: I'd like whoever is driving the SRU (hopefully you or someone under your direction) to be able to do this, so any environment available to you really. Both manual and automatic tests are fine with me.
[23:21] <rbasak> bmw: the idea is that we will build built binaries for the proposed SRU. This will be opt-in to all users interested in testing.
[23:23] <rbasak> bmw: once verified by whatever process we can try to define now, the Ubuntu SRU team will release the packages (exactly the same build) to "automatic updates", rather than opt-in. Anyone with certbot packages installed who grabs "all" updates (apt upgrade, etc) will get them.
[23:26] <mwhudson> oh that build passed locally because it installed the package from pypi :(
[23:31] <bmw> rbasak: got it
[23:32] <bmw> probably the best thing to run for that is our integration tests against a version of boulder (Let's Encrypt) running locally
[23:33] <bmw> we have instructions for how to do this here: https://certbot.eff.org/docs/contributing.html#integration-testing-with-the-boulder-ca
[23:34] <bmw> but they'll differ a bit when using it with the built packages
[23:34] <bmw> it's also worth noting that our integration tests aren't included in the built packages so the instructions for how to get and run them will be a bit different
[23:34] <bmw> I'm happy to write up something describing how to do this
[23:52] <rbasak> bmw: sounds good! If we can define these tests, would you be able to arrange to get them performed per proposed SRU? So for the 0.14.2 SRU, that'll be three times: for 16.04, 16.10 and 17.04.
[23:52] <rbasak> (16.10 will be EOL soon)
[23:53] <rbasak> bmw: if you could do that please, then we can put the test definition in the formal policy document for Ubuntu SRUs, and then use it as part of the release process.
[23:53] <rbasak> bmw: this is all that's left to define really. Apart from that, we're ready :)
[23:54] <bmw> that's exciting :)
[23:54] <bmw> I'll write up how to do it and run them for the three versions of Ubuntu tomorrow
[23:55] <rbasak> Thanks!
[23:56] <rbasak> bmw: no need to run them yet though. Let's define the process first. For the SRU we'll need them run against the proposed built packages, and we don't have those yet.
[23:56] <bmw> oh that's my misunderstanding
[23:57] <bmw> I thought those were done and reviewed
[23:57] <rbasak> The code changes are ready and reviewed.
[23:57] <rbasak> And I've built locally and in a PPA etc.
[23:57] <rbasak> But the build for publication to the Ubuntu archive is done in a separate environment. I can only push source to that, not binaries.
[23:58] <bmw> ah okay
[23:58] <bmw> I'll probably need help in my instructions for how to install packages from there, but I'll write up the rest
[23:59] <rbasak> bmw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed - this might be a little out of date. The CLI method should still work.


[09:15] <alexander_prichm> Hey guys! Can you help me? How to decrease the count of workspaces?
[14:10] <maetthew> Anyone got an idea why buttons in notifications doesn't do anything when pressed?


[01:46] <ecanals_> I'm experiencing a bug with rc.local on my 12.04 install
[01:46] <ecanals_> rc.local wont run on startup
[01:47] <ecanals_> runs fine when executed from the terminal, but not after startup
[04:55]  * ICWiener has to reboot bbiab
[11:26] <basoke> Hello, I'm trying to figure out how to use xorg.conf to set-up a multi-user multi-head environment, does anyone have any experience?


[01:34] <philipballew> Greetings fellow Ubuntu users!
[05:10] <IdleOne> dscassel: We can add to the re-approval application the the Code of Conduct was fully translated to en_CA. Still awaiting approval. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-codeofconduct
[05:10] <IdleOne> s/the the/that the/
[05:11] <IdleOne> I think I needed to change the spelling of one word only, but it is done!
[18:55] <genii-around> Those suddenly loud advertisements blaring out of nowhere on the Kwartzlab UStream feed are..... really ******* annoying
[19:38] <dscassel> IdleOne: Did anything actually need to be changed? :)
[19:40] <IdleOne> one word
[19:40] <IdleOne> !obfuscation genii-around
[19:40] <lubotu1`> IdleOne: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[19:40] <IdleOne> I know!
[19:41] <IdleOne> I changed honor to honour
[19:42] <IdleOne> and even that wasn't really needed because as Canadians we can tolerate a few little misspellings like that :)
[19:42] <IdleOne> in any case it is done.
[19:51]  * genii-around blinks
[21:27] <dscassel> genii-around: I've tried messing around with open source webcam software, but it wasn't at all reliable.
[21:27] <dscassel> That and, you know, hosting...
[21:28] <dscassel> We're probably going to move to a different service so we can run the webcam off a raspberry pi.
[21:29] <genii-around> I've had pretty good luck with Zoneminder, thats what I set up here for the CCTV... I hear Motion is pretty good but never tried it. Can for just one stream do something like ffserver


[08:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[14:26] <zmoylan-pi> space balls.... 30 years old...
[16:50] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: good film, :)