[00:31] <wgrant> Why does the bottom of the LP login/registration page tell me that you'll never disclose or share my personal information, when by default all of my information except my password is visible on my user page?
[00:32] <statik> hi rockstar, i'm back for 5 minutes to implement your review comments, then i'm going looking for old movies
[00:32] <rockstar> statik, cool, I'm about to head out to BSG/BBQ
[00:32] <rockstar> statik, were the changes I suggested okay, or were you thinking something different?
[00:32] <statik> rockstar: i'm making the changes you asked for, but i think maybe 'subject' doesn't show up in the web ui right now
[00:33] <rockstar> statik, it does, but it's only populated from emails.
[00:33] <statik> rockstar: but i think the changes you asked for are more consistent with the data model, and i'm doing them now
[00:33] <rockstar> Er, unless you do it through the API.
[00:33] <statik> huh. it didn't work for me when i tried it. anyhoo, if theres a bug there, it's in the UI, not the API
[00:34] <rockstar> statik, absolutely.  Also, this week I got a lot done on Launchpad itself to give us some more flexibility.
[00:34] <statik> i don't know how i manage to lose a branch i only started 2 hours ago, but i can't find it. good think i pushed it to launchpad
[00:34] <rockstar> statik, did you see my addition of configs?
[00:34] <statik> rockstar: i haven't, no
[00:35] <statik> rockstar: what do configs do?
[00:35] <rockstar> statik, so now you can set up project configs in the config file, like the test_command, etc. so you can just run tarmac-lander tarmac and it figures out the test_command stuff from the config.
[00:37]  * rockstar heads out to eat food and watch BSG
[00:38] <statik> rockstar: nice! fixed, and pushed revision 55. have a great weekend!
[00:45] <MTecknology> How can I go about having a user renamed?
[00:45] <MTecknology> https://launchpad.net/~drupal
[00:46] <MTecknology> I tried emailing them but the email address used no longer exists
[00:46] <wgrant> MTecknology: Ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[00:46] <wgrant> But you don't want ~drupal.
[00:47] <wgrant> As you are not the Drupal team.
[00:47] <MTecknology> hrm?
[00:48] <MTecknology> I want to create a team there, I'm talking to someone else about taking over the drupal project in launchpad and then I'm going to finish what kiko was talking about
[00:49] <wgrant> MTecknology: Why do you want the Drupal project? You're not an upstream vanilla Drupal person, are you?
[00:50] <MTecknology> wgrant: I could do drupal-modules instead?
[00:50] <wgrant> MTecknology: What exactly do you want to do?
[00:50] <MTecknology> wgrant: I'm working on a few projects that I want to become part of a super project.
[00:51] <wgrant> What are these projects?
[00:53] <MTecknology> drupal-launchpad, drupal-openid, drupal-teams, drupal-planet, and we're talking about a few more
[00:55] <kiko> wgrant, a bunch of drupal modules IOW
[00:55] <wgrant> Ah, so it's somewhat geeneric.
[00:55] <wgrant> kiko!
[00:55] <MTecknology> what is iow?
[00:55] <wgrant> So, the drupal project group might work, indeed.
[00:55] <MTecknology> oh!
[00:55] <MTecknology> in one word *
[00:55] <wgrant> But project *group*, not project.
[00:55] <wgrant> in other words?
[00:56] <MTecknology> oh
[00:56] <_Andrew> In my ppa if I copy binaries from one distro series (hardy) to another (intrepid) it won't break will it? I was under the assumption that you should compile from source however launchpad doesn't allow that
[00:56] <wgrant> _Andrew: You can't compile the same source in the same PPA twice.
[00:57] <wgrant> _Andrew: In general copying from Hardy to Intrepid should be fine, but make sure you check that it installs afterwards.
[00:57] <_Andrew> ok, what about jaunty?
[00:57] <_Andrew> Same?
[00:58] <wgrant> Probably.
[00:58] <wgrant> But the further you copy, the more likely something is to break.
[00:58] <wgrant> You can fairly reasonably expect that it will either fail to install or work fine.
[00:58] <wgrant> So an install test is really all you need to do, and you can do that even before you do the copy.
[00:59] <MTecknology> kiko: Just thinking - Would it make sense to move drupal to drupal-project, and make it a part of the drupal project group?
[00:59] <_Andrew> What about copying binaries to previous distros? Is it the same or is that not a good idea?
[00:59] <MTecknology> kiko: I sent an email asking the current maintainer what they would think about creating a project group
[01:00] <kiko> MTecknology, well, I'd just create a drupal-project project group?
[01:00] <MTecknology> kiko: that works too :P
[01:00] <wgrant> _Andrew: It might work, particularly if you're copying between Intrepid and later, but in general it won't work. Most things will still indicate that by failing to install, however.
[01:00] <_Andrew> ok thanks, that's all I needed to know
[01:00] <wgrant> kiko: Is there nothing better? We already have launchpad-project which isn't actually a project...
[01:01] <MTecknology> kiko: should I file a question for just that?
[01:01] <kiko> wgrant, what could be better?
[01:01] <kiko> wgrant, launchpad-project IS a project
[01:01] <wgrant> kiko: No, it's a project group, and launchpad without the project is a project...
[01:02] <wgrant> Unless you are talking about the code.
[01:03] <kiko> oh
[01:03] <kiko> hm
[01:06] <wgrant> kiko: It might have been right when it was created years ago, but since the rename it isn't!
[01:06]  * wgrant -> lunch.
[01:12] <MTecknology> kiko: if you're up for it - https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/64088
[01:41] <MTecknology> kiko: I sent stu an email about correcting that
[02:15] <vadi2> hi
[02:16] <vadi2> the new fancy bug title changer does not like this sign: ▸
[02:16] <vadi2> it says it is not a valid JSON element
[04:09] <adelie421> Anyone else having connectivity issues with launchpad.net?
[04:10] <kyphi> kyphi here - is any one at home?
[04:10] <wgrant> adelie421: Hm, indeed.
[04:10] <adelie421> I just registered my pg and rsa public keys, and when I tried moving forward through the motu tutorial, it asked to confirm my openID, then came up with an error and said to come here  :)
[04:10] <wgrant> spm: Things are borked.
[04:13] <Silense28> Has anyone here noticed Launchpad being slow, or is it juts me?
[04:13] <Silense28> just*
[04:13] <wgrant> Silense28: It seems to be a general problem.
[04:14] <kyphi> wgrant: I would like to ask a question - am I interrupting something?
[04:14] <Silense28> kyphi: Don't ask to ask a question, just ask
[04:14] <wgrant> kyphi: Other than everybody noticing that Launchpad is somewhat slow/broken at the moment, no.
[04:16] <kyphi> I have been a long time contributor to answer questions in launchpad and have wondered recently if the question/answer section is ever moderated or is it self-regulating?
[04:16] <wgrant> kyphi: It's not moderated.
[04:17] <wgrant> Occasionally requests will be made to remove spam, but that is very infrequently required.
[04:19] <adelie421> seems the site is quite borked atm, as noted above
[04:19] <BasicPRO> from middle of US, borked as well
[04:20] <kyphi> So that means that anyone who may be intellectually impoverished or incapable of a coherent answer or lacking in technical knowledge can write a load of drivel and that is tolerated?
[04:20] <wgrant> Hopefully Nagios will notice and wake somebody up.
[04:20] <wgrant> kyphi: Yes, but then we tell them off.
[04:20] <adelie421> Maybe someone noticed me signing the code of conduct and scrambled to take the server down to prevent it.
[04:20] <kyphi> we?
[04:20] <adelie421> kyphi: no, that is what brainstorm is for
[04:20] <wgrant> adelie421: Hahaha.
[04:21] <wgrant> Yes, Brainstorm does that.
[04:21] <kyphi> Is that another forum?
[04:21] <adelie421> If I am in need of flaming someone, I go there
[04:22] <wgrant> kyphi: brainstorm.ubuntu.com - it's a place for users to submit ideas.
[04:22] <kyphi> I have no wish to upset anyone
[04:23] <adelie421> kyphi: yes, it is a place where noobs complain about the interface and make feature requests for things that already exist, and want every package they use to be included by default, and remove the command line.
[04:23] <b1n42y> heelp http://paste.ubuntu.com/130892/
[04:23] <sisto> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[04:23] <sisto>  Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[04:23] <sisto> any clues?
[04:24] <wgrant> sisto: See the topic.
[04:24] <adelie421> getting same problem
[04:24] <wgrant> b1n42y: I see you're getting a solution in #u-au-chat.
[04:25] <kyphi> adelie421: I have used Ubuntu as my main OS for about 3 years and I know where things are and am familiar with the CLI - so brainstorm.ubuntu.com does not seem appropriate.
[04:27] <adelie421> kyphi: it is a strange place because it is super user friendly and hypothetically a great place to collect and vote on ideas... Unfortunately I think newer people see the voting and misunderstand its purpose poll == feedback, poll != democracy
[04:28] <adelie421> not to mention community != democracy
[04:30] <kyphi> adelie421: democracy? there is no such thing - there have always been more fools than wise men (and women) and somebody has to lead.  Please forgive my cynicism.
[04:33] <kyphi> adelie421 and wgrant: I will heed your advice and visit brainstorm.  Thank you for indulging me.
[04:33] <lamalex> Hey, I can't find how to upload a package to pppa
[04:33] <lamalex> can anyone tell me how?
[04:33] <wgrant> cprov: Can you save us?
[04:33] <wgrant> lamalex: The same as a PPA.
[04:34] <cprov> wgrant: something bad is happening, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/ is dead.
[04:34] <lamalex> wgrant: ? that's what Im asking
[04:34] <b1n42y> wgrant: wow how did you know that !!!
[04:34] <lamalex> i can't find the upload linkk
[04:35] <wgrant> cprov: Yes.
[04:35] <adelie421> agreed. Linux truly embraces liberty as it was meant to be understood. I do not think it is cynical to understand the nature of progress
[04:35] <wgrant> cprov: It's all dead.
[04:35] <wgrant> cprov: But edge works sometimes.
[04:35] <wgrant> cprov: But very slowly.
[04:35] <solrize_> hi, i guess you all know that both bugs and edge appear down
[04:35] <wgrant> cprov: No LOSAs/canonical-sysadmins around.
[04:35] <LKRaider> can't access code either
[04:35] <wgrant> b1n42y: I have been in that channel since its inception, and recognised you from there.
[04:36] <dawsdesign> any idea when launchpad will be bach up?
[04:37] <wgrant> dawsdesign: Not at the moment. Hopefully a LOSA will magically (or not so magically) wake up and fix it soon.
[04:37] <adelie421> it is up, it is just VERY SLOW
[04:37] <dawsdesign> haha
[04:37] <dawsdesign> ok
[04:37] <dawsdesign> thanks
[04:39] <adelie421> Can anyone explain the security risk of signing the Code of Conduct with the default text? Whatever you sign you show the changes anyway, so what is the difference?
[04:39] <adelie421> (I know more about RSA in theory, not practice)
[04:56] <adelie421> *sigh* at least bazaar.launchpad.net is still working just fine.
[04:57] <wgrant> adelie421: Sysadmins are awoken and on it.
[04:58] <adelie421> you kick one off your couch?
[05:01] <solrize_> seems to work now
[05:01] <solrize_> hmm, maybe not
[05:01] <adelie421> hehe, was about to say
[05:02] <solrize_> yep, still down
[05:21] <solrize_> hmm, this time seems back up for real
[05:21] <wgrant> librarian is still gone, though.
[05:21] <wgrant> But in a better way.
[05:22] <solrize_> what's librarian?  is that required for attaching files to bug comments?
[05:22] <wgrant> It stores all of the content files, so yes.
[05:23] <solrize_> i just did it and it worked
[05:23] <wgrant> And it's back.
[05:24] <lamalex> Hi, i'm trying to dput my .changes file
[05:24] <solrize_> thanks all
[05:24] <lamalex> it keeps telling me a .asc or .sig file needs to be first on the command line
[05:24] <lamalex> anyone know about this error?
[05:24] <wgrant> lamalex: What is the command line you're using?
[05:24] <wgrant> And is your .changes file signed inline?
[05:24] <lamalex> dput do-core-ppa gnome-do_0.8.1-0\~jaunty\~ppa1_source.changes
[05:25] <wgrant> (does it have ---- BEGIN SIGNED MESSAGE ---- or similar at the top?)
[05:25] <lamalex> wgrant: no
[05:25] <wgrant> lamalex: It needs to be signed. debsign something.changes
[05:26] <lamalex> thanks
[05:27]  * lamalex is not a packager, our packager is moving
[05:27] <lamalex> so im filling in
[05:27] <lamalex> sorry for stupid questions
[05:28] <elmo> (everything should be back now, sorry for the delay)
[05:28] <wgrant> Thanks elmo.
[05:29]  * wgrant is glad it was a quick fix this time.
[05:32] <lamalex> wgrant: thanks, package uploaded :)
[05:32] <wgrant> lamalex: Don't be so sure just yet... wait until you get the email.
[05:33] <lamalex> well, im further than i was
[05:33] <lamalex> which is progress
[05:33] <wgrant> Indeed, indeed.
[05:36] <lamalex> wgrant: just got the email :)
[05:37] <wgrant> lamalex: Excellent.
[05:37] <lamalex> thanks
[07:54] <savvas> how do i delete FAQs ?
[07:55] <rockstar> savvas, I'm not sure you can.
[07:58] <savvas> argh
[07:59] <savvas> so how do i delete an outdated faq of a project? :P https://answers.launchpad.net/timekpr/+faq/217
[07:59] <savvas> rockstar: should I poke the admins or just use it to make another faq?
[08:00] <rockstar> savvas, well, while it might be outdated now, it was an FAQ at one point.  Why do you feel the need to delete it?
[08:01] <savvas> rockstar: actually nevermind, I will edit it, as it can be answered :)
[08:02] <savvas> thanks!
[08:02] <rockstar> savvas, no problem, although I'm not sure I did anything.  :)
[08:03] <savvas> oh no, did plenty! I just realised that I can just edit it :p
[08:03] <savvas> (need coffee, hehe)
[08:44] <savvas> is launchpad compatible with cia.vc ?
[09:59] <kiko> savvas, I think it is now -- or is it just ohloh?
[10:15] <savvas> kiko: it's ok, I found cia-clients and some more info on launchpad.net/bzr-cia :)
[10:17] <kiko> :)
[10:39] <savvas> does anyone happen to know how to add a permanent variable in .bzr/branch/branch.conf ?
[10:40] <savvas> for example, every time I do "bzr branch lp:timekpr somefolder" to get it with an extra variable set?
[10:41] <mdke> savvas: sorry, I can't help with this (you might get more help from bzr) but I saw above you were trying to get cia working - do you succeed? I'm interested in that
[10:41] <wgrant> savvas: What sort of variable?
[10:42] <savvas> wgrant: cia_project = timekpr
[10:42] <mdke> ah, that answers my question too, I guess :)
[10:42] <savvas> mdke: yes, it's all here: https://launchpad.net/bzr-cia :) you need cia-clients for it
[10:43] <mdke> savvas: can it be done on the server side so that any commit made to a LP branch works, or just on a local branch?
[10:43] <wgrant> savvas: You might be able to set it in ~/.bzr/locations.conf
[10:43] <savvas> mdke: that's what I'm looking for :)
[10:43] <wgrant> savvas: But #bzr would know.
[10:43] <mdke> savvas: let me know how you go :)
[10:43] <savvas> I'll ask there wgrant thank you very much!
[10:43] <savvas> mdke: will do :)
[10:45] <mdke> I guess the Launchpad servers would need bzr-cia installed too
[10:46] <savvas> so it makes it a launchpad thing too :P
[10:47] <savvas> I wonder if I should file a wishlist bug hehe
[10:50] <mdke> I would definitely like to see a feature that commits could be broadcast into an irc channel
[10:50] <savvas> yes, that's what I need it for as well :)
[10:50] <mdke> it tends to give a bit of extra vitality to a slow channel, like #ubuntu-doc - when we used svn we had the feature, but not since moving to Launchpad
[10:51] <wgrant> Soyuz is supposedly going to be getting something XMPPish at some point.
[10:52] <wgrant> And lp-bzr does send emails already, so it's not too much of a stretch.
[10:52] <mdke> the wubi project seems to have got this working - http://cia.vc/stats/project/wubi
[10:52] <mdke> this is their branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/wubi/trunk
[10:53] <mdke> let's ask them how they did it
[10:58]  * mdke emails
[10:59] <mdke> hmm, all the Ubuntu installer team projects seem to have it working :)
[11:00] <wgrant> mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment#IRC%20notification
[11:00] <mdke> wgrant: ah, thanks. So each committer needs to set it up
[11:01] <wgrant> Or somebody needs to watch for mail.
[11:02] <savvas> bug 342729 - I hope it's ok :)
[11:03] <savvas> I just checked their branch lp:wubi, it doesn't have the cia variable
[11:58] <cumulus007> I requested a PO file on Launchpad, but I haven't receveid the mail yet
[11:59] <cumulus007> I requested it a half hour ago
[13:10] <cumulus007> Why are the translation suggestions gone?
[13:12] <wgrant> cumulus007: You might get a better response during a working day.
[13:13] <cumulus007> hmm, indeed
[13:20] <Pegasus_RPG_> Hello
[13:21] <Pegasus_RPG_> Should the diff on a merge proposal page update automatically if a change was pushed to the branch in question?
[13:22] <Pegasus_RPG_> Because it doesn't
[13:22] <wgrant> Pegasus_RPG_: No. You can use something like https://launchpad.net/mad to do it.
[13:23] <Pegasus_RPG_> ok, so how do I use it?
[13:23] <wgrant> IIRC the README tells you.
[13:24] <wgrant> But I just run, through cron, 'mad.py -p <PROJECT NAME> -r /path/to/local/repo'
[13:25] <Pegasus_RPG_> oh ok, I run it locally. Got it
[13:25] <wgrant> Yep.
[13:26] <Pegasus_RPG_> Thank you, sir
[13:26] <Pegasus_RPG_> (I wonder why that's not integrated into LP?)
[13:26] <wgrant> From what I hear, it's too expensive.
[13:26] <wgrant> I can't say I buy that, however.
[13:29] <Pegasus_RPG_> Well, I can see it if hundreds of commits are going on at once
[13:29] <Pegasus_RPG_> but why not have it only generate a diff if someone asks for it?
[13:30] <Pegasus_RPG_> I.e. instead of just displaying it, have just a "download diff" button that is up-to-date?
[13:30] <Pegasus_RPG_> or "view diff" or whatever
[13:39] <mdke> cumulus007: see http://blog.launchpad.net/translations/performance-week-in-translations-land
[13:39] <mdke> cumulus007: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2009-March/002162.html is also informative
[13:40] <cumulus007> aah, performance improvements
[13:40] <cumulus007> finally
[13:41] <cumulus007> okay, no problem
[13:41] <cumulus007> a well working Rosetta is much more important than some suggestions :)
[16:58] <infinity0> hi, i'm having problems with branching off launchpad
[16:58] <infinity0> it connects then it just pauses there doing nothing, and the progress bar says
[16:59] <infinity0> - [[16:59] <infinity0> also before that i get "Server is too old for streaming pull, reconnecting.  (Upgrade the server to Bazaar 1.2 to avoid this)"
[17:04] <Odd_Bloke> infinity0: What version of bzr are you using?
[17:04] <infinity0> Bazaar (bzr) 1.5
[17:05] <Odd_Bloke> And what command are you running?
[17:05] <infinity0>  bzr branch lp:adchpp
[17:05] <infinity0> oh actually
[17:05] <infinity0> lol
[17:05] <infinity0> it's done it now
[17:05] <infinity0> but the progress bar was stuck there for quite a few minutes :|
[17:06] <infinity0> but yeah, "Branched 144 revision(s)."
[17:10] <LarstiQ> infinity0: yeah, the progress bars have become much better recently
[17:11] <infinity0> ahh i see, debian has 1.13 in unstable
[17:11] <infinity0> i'll try that
[17:12] <LarstiQ> 1.13rc1 I think, but that has progress bar fixes too :)
[19:08] <Bert_2> Hi, I requested some translation files in PO format, they should be mailed to em according to launchpad but more than an hour has passed and I still haven't received it, is launchpad still busy or do I have problems with my mail server ?
[19:09] <kiko__> Bert_2, I think our mail handling broke yesterday evening and I don't quite know why
[19:09] <Bert_2> kiko__: okey, thanks, I was already thinking I broke my postfix server or something similar
[19:10] <kiko__> I'm asking our IS but it's saturday so.. YKWIM :-/
[19:11] <Bert_2> kiko__: yeah, that's why I have a VPS :D :P
[19:11] <kiko__> :)
[19:12] <Bert_2> kiko__: I hope it gets fixed soon
[19:12] <Bert_2> cause I want to get as much translations in before LPT Deadline
[19:17] <kiko__> that's two of us!!
[19:35] <Bert_2> kiko__: lol, I just tried to translate the janitor, that's very complex
[19:35] <Bert_2> kiko__: they use some phrase which aren't proper english I'm afraid
[19:37] <kiko__> heh
[19:37] <kiko__> that's worth filing a bug
[19:39] <Bert_2> kiko__: I'll do that then
[19:41] <Bert_2> kiko__: can you check please, this isn't a proper english phrase: "Don't actually remove anything, just to do so. This is useful for testing stuff." right ?
[19:42] <Bert_2> ???
[19:47] <kiko__> if you remove the comma it is less confusing
[19:47] <kiko__> I think it means that you shouldn't remove stuff unless you know what you are doing?
[19:49] <Bert_2> kiko__: yeah, but it's not a proper phrase
[20:01] <sianis> hi
[20:02] <sianis> is rosetta po exporting closed?
[20:03] <Bert_2> sianis: launchpad is having problems with mailing
[20:04] <sianis> ok, thx
[20:05] <Bert_2> sianis: but we're not sure
[20:05] <Bert_2> (IS has been informed
[20:05] <Bert_2> )
[22:14] <vadi2> Hi, my ppa broke a bit. It's not asking for a password on a dput anymore, and it's not building new packages I send it
[22:21] <LarstiQ> vadi2: are you sure you are dputting to the right location?
[22:22] <LarstiQ> vadi2: also, iirc, afaik, aiui, ppa access is anonymous ftp anyway
[22:25] <vadi2> LarstiQ: no I wasn't, I forgot the ppa argument
[22:37] <c_korn> hello
[22:38] <c_korn> can anyone tell me why this build freezes when build in a ubuntu official build machine while it builds fine in about 10 minutes in a PPA: https://launchpad.net/+builds/yellow/+index
[22:48] <wgrant> c_korn: Same distroseries, and built around the same time?
[22:49] <wgrant> No dep differences in the PPA?
[22:49] <c_korn> wgrant: yes
[22:49] <c_korn> wgrant: only a changelog entry :P
[22:49] <wgrant> What other packages are in that PPA?
[22:50] <c_korn> wgrant: vlc :P hasn't anything to do with it
[22:50] <wgrant> Hm.
[22:51] <wgrant> c_korn: https://launchpad.net/soyuz/+filebug, given that nobody relevant is around.
[22:51] <c_korn> wgrant: thanks
[22:51] <cody-somerville> the PPA buildds are virtual hosts whereas the distro buildds are physical hosts.
[22:52] <cody-somerville> That may explain why it builds fine on the PPA but not the distro buildds if the package does something weird at build time.
[22:53] <wgrant> That's the only significant difference, so it's probably not anything else.
[22:54] <c_korn> cody-somerville: what significance does the config.log file have? as I see there is one in the debian orig tarball but not in the (from developers) published tarball.
[22:54] <cody-somerville> c_korn, That sounds like a logfile.
[22:55] <c_korn> so no reason to worry about?
[22:55] <cody-somerville> c_korn, However, it disturbs me that the debian orig tarball doesn't match the upstream's
[22:55] <cody-somerville> We generally like them to md5sum match
[22:57] <c_korn> cody-somerville: oh, wait. the log file is not in the debian tarball but in the ubuntu tarball. very odd
[22:57] <wgrant> Why are they not bit-identical?
[22:58] <cody-somerville> Yes, that is odd since the Ubuntu version is based off the Debian version.
[22:58] <c_korn> oh, wait. I must have mixed up something. let me recheck it ...
[22:58] <wgrant> Are the checksums the same in your PPA and the primary archive?
[22:59] <cody-somerville> Yea, the tarball *has* to match since this upstream version was synced from Debian
[23:00] <cody-somerville> Soyuz would not have allowed an upload with a mistmatched md5sum
[23:02] <cody-somerville> I wonder if it causes the other archs to freeze up.
[23:02] <cody-somerville> A number of archs FTBFS due to scilab missing at the time
[23:03]  * cody-somerville imagines that the truth is that yellow has probably died for whatever reason and this build didn't actually cause it.
[23:03] <c_korn> cody-somerville: it is actually the second try.
[23:04] <c_korn> after it first has frozen (on another build machine if I imagine right) a MOTU has retried it
[23:04] <c_korn> ok the md5sums of the tarballs match. that was false alarm
[23:05] <cody-somerville> Okay, I'll retry on powerpc then and see if it freezes up a powerpc builder.
[23:06] <c_korn> cody-somerville: scilab-5 could not be built for ppc (that is a scilab bug.) and sivp build-depends on scilab-5
[23:06] <cody-somerville> ah
[23:06] <cody-somerville> yellow seems to be unfrozen btw
[23:07] <cody-somerville> It timed out.
[23:07] <c_korn>  * State: Failed to build
[23:07] <c_korn>  * Duration: 2 hours 40 minutes
[23:08] <c_korn> I get mad if it turns out this is a scilab bug. it's a pain to build scilab on ubuntu. and it took months to get scilab-5 into jaunty
[23:09] <c_korn> but as I see sivp-0.5.0 already hasn't been published for amd64 on debian: http://packages.debian.org/sid/sivp
[23:21] <cody-somerville> c_korn, yea
[23:22] <c_korn> ok, did not know. a motu edited my changelog. so he is to blame :P
[23:22] <c_korn> you will see the build succeed: https://launchpad.net/+builds/actinium
[23:29] <c_korn> cody-somerville: voila. https://launchpad.net/~c-korn/+archive/ppa/+build/904702
[23:29] <cody-somerville> Interesting
[23:30] <cody-somerville> c_korn, Poke me again on Monday if the problem isn't resolved by then
[23:31] <c_korn> ok, I also need to sleep now.
[23:31] <c_korn> thanks and bye
[23:31] <cody-somerville> bye :]


[03:37] <nova_> when browsing the local network with thunar, is there a way to make it automagically use my current user credentials to connect, ie: username/password?
[08:02] <rauldux> hi there, can some1 pls tell me the recommended way to upgrade from xubuntu 16.04 to 18.04?
[08:04] <well_laid_lawn> !upgrade
[08:10] <rauldux> thx. as I understand this, the official way of upgrading is not available until 18.04.1 which will be beginning of August?
[08:51] <knome> rauldux, that's correct
[08:53] <rauldux> thx, what a shame. I'm a bit curious
[08:53] <knome> i mean you *can* do the upgrade before that but unless you have a good reason you normally shouldn't
[08:55] <rauldux> you right, I won't do that. Don't wana generate myself avoidable work
[08:56] <knome> the point release isn't that far away anyway :)
[08:56] <knome> july 26th is the scheduled day for 18.04.1
[08:59] <rauldux> but anyways is dist-upgrade the right way to do this?
[08:59] <knome> no, that just updates your packages within the release
[09:00] <knome> if you want to run the upgrade from the command line, you'd need to use the do-release-upgrade tool
[09:02] <rauldux> good to know, the name suggest a distro upgrade
[09:03] <knome> well i guess...
[09:03] <rauldux> used to do updates with apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[09:04] <knome> https://askubuntu.com/questions/194651/why-use-apt-get-upgrade-instead-of-apt-get-dist-upgrade
[09:05] <knome> the first answer explains the difference; dist-upgrade has some "release upgrade" like features
[09:10] <rauldux> this is useful thank u knome, wan't aware of that
[09:28] <knome> np
[18:41] <xubuntu34i> Hello, guys
[18:41] <xubuntu34i> How are you?
[18:41] <xubuntu34i> I probably installing xubuntu
[18:57] <Cantlogin> I need some help. Just did a fresh install of xubuntu core via the minimal iso. Everything went fine, but cannot login with my password when prompted by the xubuntu login screen. I keep receiving "incorrect password" but I know the password and username are correct. How can I get into my desktop?
[18:59] <krytarik> What about the keyboard layout on the screen?
[19:01] <Cantlogin> Krytarik: can't select on screen keyboard from panel
[19:05] <krytarik> Ok, that might have been a little ambiguous, I just mean the one of the normal keyboard. :P  There should be an item on the panel too with which you can choose its layout.
[21:54] <xubuntu09i> hello
[21:54] <xubuntu09i> what is the simplest way to change the cpu governor to performance
[22:45] <brechbohne92> hey :D, I installed on my xubuntu machine the package "gnome" and gnome (wayland) works perfectly, but gnome on xorg will not boot, any ideas?
[22:46] <lapaga> brechbohne92, I would think if you wanted gnome you would go with regular ubuntu
[22:47] <brechbohne92> lapaga, the regular ubuntu got some gnome tweaks, which I really dont like
[22:48] <brechbohne92> lapaga, I like the "stock" gnome, but the ubuntu additions make me crazy
[22:48] <brechbohne92> and I like to switch between xfce and gnome, just my preference


[00:13] <cjohnston> bkerensa: https://launchpad.net/~bkerensa/+upcomingwork you have no upcoming work
[00:14] <bkerensa> cjohnston: why
[00:14] <cjohnston> because you don't have any work items in any accepted blueprints
[00:17] <pleia2> bkerensa: I think this is the blueprint you want to be editing https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1305-community-website-revamp
[00:17] <bkerensa> ah
[00:17] <bkerensa> cjohnston: I see what happened
[00:17] <cjohnston> ?
[00:18] <pleia2> and is there a different one for -doc?
[00:18] <cjohnston> the one lyz mentioned isn't accepted, so your WI in there doesn't show up
[00:18] <bkerensa> pleia2: I think I just raw added workitems instead of using the editor so just fixing that now
[00:21] <bkerensa> cjohnston: and the other I just approved so maybe when it syncs or something
[00:21] <cjohnston> bkerensa: link?
[00:21] <bkerensa> looks like lots of BP's did not get approved
[00:22] <pleia2> I think that's normal, I rarely have much on status.u.c because community stuff I work on isn't included
[00:22]  * pleia2 shrugs
[00:22] <bkerensa> cjohnston: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1305-doc-planning
[00:22] <bkerensa> pleia2: even some foundations BP's though :)
[00:22] <pleia2> I don't have a boss who is basing my salary on it, so it's ok :)
[00:22] <bkerensa> lol
[00:22] <bkerensa> :D
[00:23] <cjohnston> the docs one will show up
[00:23] <cjohnston> actually, no. it wont
[00:23] <cjohnston> sorry
[00:23] <cjohnston> it isn't assigned to a team that is tracked
[00:23] <bkerensa> cjohnston: why is doc team not tracked
[00:23]  * bkerensa facepalm
[00:24] <bkerensa> community-1305-community-website-revamp is now approved
[00:25] <cjohnston> approved doesnt matter
[00:25] <cjohnston> There are 6 work items. Status isn't for tracking every thing that is done
[00:26] <bkerensa> What is it for tracking then?
[00:26] <bkerensa> cjohnston: Y U NO TRACK ALL THE THINGS!?!?!
[00:26] <bkerensa> ;p
[00:27] <cjohnston> tracking engineering teams and their work
[00:27] <cjohnston> ubuntu-dev is tracked, kubuntu-dev is tracked, lubuntu-dev is track, edubuntu-dev is tracked
[00:27] <cjohnston> It doesn't scale to tracking *every* work item for every team
[00:28] <cjohnston> rewrite it to where it is a better tool and it would be able to do more, but as it is now, it doesn't scale
[00:29] <cjohnston> django ftw
[00:46] <bkerensa> pleia2: I get to come steal some California sunshine soon :)
[00:47] <cjohnston> That's not very environmentally friendly
[00:49] <bkerensa> cjohnston: :P
[00:50] <bkerensa> cjohnston: maybe in the winter I'll come poach off of Florida sun :) idk though traveling to Florida would take a long time via train
[00:56] <cjohnston> three aint nothin good down here but me
[00:56] <bkerensa> cjohnston: manatees and alligators is cool enough for me :)
[00:56] <cjohnston> ehh.. ok, I'll give you that
[00:57] <cjohnston> finally pulling into the neighborhood.. its been a long day :-/
[00:59] <bkerensa> cjohnston: you drive and IRC? :P
[00:59] <cjohnston> bkerensa: I was on the road for 6 hours today
[01:00] <bkerensa> wow
[01:00] <bkerensa> not fun
[01:54] <pleia2> bkerensa: cool, what are you coming down for?
[02:23] <bkerensa> pleia2: Mozilla Summit in Santa Clara, CA
[02:23] <bkerensa> :D
[02:24] <bkerensa> but I hope to be in SF and Davis when coming down maybe
[02:58] <nigelb> bkerensa: Hah, we'll get to meet then!
[02:58] <nigelb> \o/
[03:00]  * pleia2 sends good luck to the visa office
[03:02] <nigelb> hehe
[03:02] <nigelb> in this case, if I miss the visa, I can always request to go to another one.
[03:02] <pleia2> another one here!
[03:03] <nigelb> well, there's one in Toronto and Brussels too!
[03:03] <pleia2> pfft
[03:03] <nigelb> The logistics is giving me nightmares when I think about it.
[03:03] <nigelb> And I worked in event management for a bit.
[03:03] <pleia2> of?
[03:03] <nigelb> The summit.
[03:04] <nigelb> 3 events, at the same time in 3 locations.
[03:04] <pleia2> oh wow
[03:04] <nigelb> what could possible go wrong...
[03:04] <nigelb> *possibly
[03:04] <pleia2> I didn't realize they were at the same time :)
[03:04] <nigelb> and since they're spread apart in terms of timezones
[03:04] <nigelb> there's always something going on somewhere.
[03:05] <pleia2> santa clara is far away, but I could train it down one evening and make MJ drive me around ;)
[03:05] <pleia2> (google is near there)
[03:05] <nigelb> I'll surely visit SF at some point.
[03:05] <pleia2> yes, do that
[03:06] <pleia2> we have 2 bridges! both pretty!
[03:06] <nigelb> :D
[03:06] <nigelb> And trams!
[03:06] <pleia2> cable cars and street cars :)
[03:06] <pleia2> and ice cream
[03:06] <nigelb> what else could I possibly want ;)
[03:06] <pleia2> actually we have all the foods
[03:29] <bkerensa> nigelb:  \o/
[03:30] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah Moz Summit is big I guess... So in contrast UDS tried to sponsor 60 community members plus some Canonical employees
[03:31] <bkerensa> pleia2: while Moz Summit sponsors 1400 community members and 800 employees
[03:31] <bkerensa> idk how they can afford it
[03:31] <nigelb> Are you sure it's only 800?
[03:31] <bkerensa> nigelb: what the wiki says
[03:31] <nigelb> I heard it's very close to 1000.
[03:31] <nigelb> (now)
[03:31] <bkerensa> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Summit2013
[03:31] <bkerensa> ah
[03:31] <bkerensa> yeah I know they have increased all those #'s
[03:31] <nigelb> See Mossop's recent blog post.
[03:31] <bkerensa> but thats the wiki figures
[03:31] <bkerensa> ah
[03:32] <bkerensa> yeah see I wasnt even on first run or waitlist due to some mozillians directory mishap but I got added last minute
[03:32] <nigelb> heh
[03:32] <bkerensa> and I am going by train!
[03:32] <pleia2> I don't actually know how they make any money to afford anything :) (is it all still search engine revenue?)
[03:32] <bkerensa> :D
[03:32] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah and other secretive stuffs
[03:32] <bkerensa> :)
[03:32] <nigelb> There's now partnership money too, I guess.
[03:32] <nigelb> Telefonica and such.
[03:33] <bkerensa> pleia2: someone told me their contract with google is close to 500 million per year and its multi-year so its guaranteed revenue for many years
[03:33] <pleia2> bkerensa: that's crazy
[03:33] <bkerensa> yeah the mobile partner money is big too
[03:33] <bkerensa> Sprint, T-Mobile etc
[03:33] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah ikr
[03:33] <bkerensa> pleia2: I actually told them I would prefer they not pay for me to go and they said that was silly
[03:33] <bkerensa> lol
[03:33] <bkerensa> :>S
[03:34] <pleia2> well that's good
[03:34] <pleia2> party at pleia2's house
[03:34] <bkerensa> I think money should be conserved for the future
[03:34] <nigelb> \o/
[03:34] <bkerensa> LOL
[03:34] <nigelb> you know we will actually turn up, right?
[03:34] <bkerensa> nigelb: why are we going to Santa Clara anyways? Why not MV or SF?
[03:35] <nigelb> bkerensa: I'm guessing cheaper venues.
[03:35] <pleia2> nigelb: yes, bring presents (my birthday is the week before)
[03:35] <bkerensa> ah
[03:35] <nigelb> and accomodation
[03:35] <nigelb> accomodation will be the biggie
[03:35] <bkerensa> yeah
[03:35] <nigelb> pleia2: of course!
[03:35] <pleia2> yeah SF is crazy expensive
[03:36] <pleia2> not sure where MV would have space, San Jose would be another option
[03:36] <pleia2> I guess their office in MV? Not sure how big it is, the SF one is small
[03:37] <pleia2> (I hear, haven't been)
[03:37] <nigelb> MV should be the biggest of them all.
[03:37] <nigelb> London is small-ish.
[03:37] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah its small its only a floor or two rented out from a building plus roof access
[03:38] <bkerensa> pleia2: they are doing the same here in PDX when they open its going to be like one floor
[03:38] <pleia2> bkerensa: yeah, I suspect they only got it to make happy the talent who lived in SF and wouldn't move to the valley
[03:38] <bkerensa> pleia2: but the cool thing is community members get workstations :D
[03:38] <bkerensa> its company/foundation policy
[03:38] <pleia2> cool
[03:38] <nigelb> yeah, I worked out of London office for a day.
[03:38] <nigelb> It's really really cool.
[03:38] <bkerensa> nigelb: how was it?
[03:38] <nigelb> Too much orange for my eyes though :P
[03:38]  * pleia2 still uses chrome
[03:38] <bkerensa> lol
[03:38] <pleia2> ;)
[03:38] <nigelb> bkerensa: It's glorious!
[03:39] <bkerensa> nigelb: nice snack area?
[03:39] <bkerensa> :D
[03:39] <pleia2> glorangeious!
[03:39] <nigelb> Yup
[03:39] <bkerensa> :D
[03:39] <nigelb> I was there during a work week
[03:39]  * bkerensa cannot wait to go work from the new PDX office
[03:39] <nigelb> A few people I knew too. So I got to grab beers with him.
[03:39] <bkerensa> I will be there at least one day a week
[03:39] <nigelb> punch bkero for me ;)
[03:39] <bkerensa> nigelb: I will
[03:39] <bkerensa> nigelb: our nicks fail
[03:40] <nigelb> haha
[03:40] <pleia2> I bet
[03:40] <bkerensa> nigelb: we get tab completed on irc and and I am now getting e-mail for him
[03:40] <bkerensa> lol
[03:40] <nigelb> you have *four* common chars.
[03:40] <nigelb> It's really hard not to fail ;)
[03:40] <bkerensa> nigelb: you know where getting LDAP and E-mail access to right?
[03:40] <bkerensa> at least thats my understanding
[03:40] <bkerensa> were supposed to have Intranet/LDAP/E-mail here in a few months
[03:41] <nigelb> I didn't know that.
[03:41] <nigelb> That's pretty cool.
[03:41] <bkerensa> nigelb: then I guess the only differing factor is a paycheck huh :P
[03:41]  * pleia2 detatch for a bit
[03:41] <bkerensa> pleia2: detach strong!
[03:42] <nigelb> yeah!
[03:42] <bkerensa> nigelb: I hope when the new office opens they will put something that fancies my interest up
[03:43] <bkerensa> nigelb: how far away from atul jha do you live?
[03:43] <nigelb> bkerensa: about 6 hours i guess.
[03:43] <nigelb> (by road)
[03:43] <bkerensa> nigelb: Atul wants to move to the U.S.
[03:44] <bkerensa> nigelb: I told him I will trade if I can get a U.S. salary in India ;p
[03:44] <nigelb> Haha.
[03:44] <nigelb> bkerensa: you do not want to trade to live in the city he lives in. fyi ;)
[03:45]  * bkerensa detach for dinners
[03:45]  * nigelb gets back to work
[06:50] <philipballew> greetings
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:13] <elfy> indeed it is dholbach :)
[07:13] <dholbach> hey elfy
[07:13] <elfy> how's the review going - I've not had time the last day to look properly
[07:14] <dholbach> good - some folks other than you contributed as well and I'm (slowly) going through items on the list :)
[07:14] <dholbach> if you check it out, there's a lot in strike-through already
[07:16] <philipballew> Hola dpm dholbach
[07:17] <dpm> hey philipballew
[07:17] <dholbach> philipballew, dpm: hola muchachos
[07:17] <dpm> morning all
[07:18] <philipballew> hope all is well on the other side of the world.
[07:26] <elfy> dholbach: excellent
[07:27] <elfy> dholbach: the etherpad looks really good - I like the struckthrough things - I should have some time tomorrow to have another look
[07:27] <dholbach> yeah :)
[07:27] <dholbach> cool
[07:32] <philipballew> it always seems this channel heats up at night for me.
[07:32] <philipballew> well, I say night, but I am more awake at night then any other time.
[10:15] <daker> morning :)
[10:24] <daker> dholbach: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/23/watchtower-of-morocco-video-dalessandri_n_3322458.html
[10:34] <dholbach> daker, that's beautiful - it brings back many memories
[10:35] <daker> :)
[12:08] <dholbach> balloons, so on http://pad.ubuntu.com/aNBBojgxJg you said it'd be good to condense the quality page - do you think you could help with that? ;-)
[12:09] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5696750/ has the markdown source
[12:11] <dholbach> it's eerily quiet in here - you could think it's a Friday
[14:37] <jcastro> mhall119: I've installed the terminal
[14:37] <jcastro> how do I run it? It's not on the phone installed section
[14:48] <mhall119> jcastro: search for it
[14:48] <jcastro> search works?
[14:49] <jcastro> I don't know how to search!
[14:50] <mhall119> in the Apps lens, tap the "Search" in the top-left panel
[14:52] <jcastro> OH!
[14:52] <jcastro> it only works on the app lens I see
[14:52] <jcastro> strange
[15:01] <dholbach> mhall119, jcastro, dpm, balloons: team call?
[15:02] <dpm> ok!
[15:02] <mhall119> yup
[15:03] <jcastro> sure
[15:03] <jcastro> does someone have the link handy?
[15:03] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/54f4d48ce040200ddc2fdcb8f9d5da535f00bfb9?authuser=1 jcastro
[15:42] <dholbach> all right my friends - weekend time!
[15:42] <dholbach> see you!
[19:53] <bkerensa> nigelb: http://turntable.fm/mozilla
[23:49] <bkerensa> mhall119: ;)
[23:49] <bkerensa> bobcat
[23:49] <bkerensa> pfft


[13:41] <mainmeister> I want to write some gtk+ applications in 12.04 using the c language. Do I need to install anything for development (ie header files, libraries, etc.)
[13:58] <jlamothe> mainmeister: I'm assuming you have the build-essential package?
[14:00] <jlamothe> I don't think you need anything more than that... however I do my development with wxWidgets (which does require extra packages).
[14:00] <mainmeister> I have not installed any gtk specific items. I don't know what gets installed in 12.04 as default packages pertaining to gtk development
[14:01] <mainmeister> Should I look for build-essential in the ubuntu software centre?
[14:02] <jlamothe> You should just be able to type: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[14:03] <jlamothe> That'll give you your C compiler and the most commonly used libraries.
[14:03] <mainmeister> thank you, I am install the essentials now
[14:04] <jlamothe> You might want eclipse or something too.
[14:04] <mainmeister> I am using geany
[14:05] <jlamothe> Looks like a decent choice.  I'm more of an Emacs person myself.
[14:06] <mainmeister> Still cannot find the glib/gmacros.h file ... Guess I'll go to the gtk.org site and download everything from there.
[14:07] <jlamothe> It should be in the repository somewhere.
[14:07] <mainmeister> Doesn't appear as there is a gtk+ package in the ubuntu repository
[14:07] <jlamothe> I know because wxWidgets builds on top of GTK, and I haven't had to install anything from outside sources.
[14:08] <mainmeister> Do you know if the gtk headers get installed under /usr/include?
[14:08] <jlamothe> Let me check...
[14:09] <mainmeister> I did a find earlier (before the essentials) and it was not anywhere on the hard drive
[14:09] <jlamothe> Oddly enough, it doesn't seem to be.
[14:10] <jlamothe> Just a sec...
[14:10] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Yup, official.  I'll put out a notice on the mailing list.
[14:10] <jlamothe> Try sudo apt-get install gnome-core-devel
[14:10] <dscassel> Hi jlamothe :)
[14:10] <jlamothe> Hey dscassel
[14:10] <jlamothe> What's new?
[14:11] <dscassel> It's Monday morning. I'm trying to figure that out myself. :)
[14:11] <mainmeister> thanks for the help I'll let you know if the gnome-core-devel works
[14:11] <jlamothe> No problem.
[14:12] <jlamothe> Hey, dscassel, do you know much about Ubuntu One?
[14:12] <jlamothe> As in, can I use it without having it automatically backup my whole documents directory?
[14:13] <dscassel> Yes and yes.
[14:13] <dscassel> It automatically syncs an "Ubuntu One" folder, but everything else is optional.
[14:13] <dscassel> Now if you sync your "Documents" folder, then yes, it syncs the entire folder.
[14:13] <dscassel> Per-folder granularity.
[14:14] <dscassel> But you can make a "Shared" folder under Documents that you can then share.
[14:14] <jlamothe> Perfect.  I'm looking for an off-site backup for about 1.3GB of encrypted data, but some of it's sensitive, so I don't want to put it plaintext "in the cloud".
[14:14] <jlamothe> Like all my financial records.
[14:15] <dscassel> Are they encrypted individually or as one big truecrypt volume or something?
[14:15] <mainmeister> jlamothe - would goggle drive not work as well - you get 5 gig free
[14:15] <jlamothe> It's a gpg'd tarball.
[14:15] <dscassel> 'Cuz syncing a 1.3GB woodge every time you make a change gets old fast.
[14:15] <jlamothe> That's what I thought of first, but I figure Ubuntu One would be a more seamless solution since all my machines run Ubuntu.
[14:16] <mainmeister> true
[14:16] <jlamothe> dscassel: It's more of a monthly backup kind of deal.
[14:16] <jlamothe> Maybe weekly.
[14:16] <jlamothe> I have local backups as well.
[14:16] <mainmeister> I find that the ubuntu-one crashes a lot on my windows machine
[14:16] <dscassel> I guess that works.
[14:16] <jlamothe> ...but I control all those boxes.
[14:16] <jlamothe> ...or I could just keep it encrypted on a thumb drive in my bin at the lab.
[14:16] <dscassel> No crashs on Ubuntu. :)
[14:18] <mainmeister> wow that gnome-core-devel is huge, still installing...
[14:18] <jlamothe> I guess wxWidgets only installs the subset that it uses.
[14:19] <mainmeister> long as it works It ok
[14:19] <jlamothe> texlive is a monster of a download too.
[14:34] <mainmeister> Ok, gnome-core-devel has given me the gtk development stuff (any everything else)
[14:34] <mainmeister> thank again for you help
[14:59] <jlamothe> Couldn't figure out why Ubuntu One said my e-mail address was already registered.
[14:59] <jlamothe> It was because of my Launchpad account.
[15:27] <BobJonkman> dscassel: Thanx for making the updates!
[15:28] <BobJonkman> I wasn't sure if moving the IRC meeting was just idle speculation or indisputable fact
[16:02] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Well, I can't do one tomorrow, so... :)
[16:02] <BobJonkman> Not a problem.
[16:02] <BobJonkman> I've just updated the Wiki and LoCo calendars...
[16:03] <dscassel> Which isn't to say it can't go on without me, but there are a couple things I wanted to cover...
[16:04] <BobJonkman> The meeting agenda is pretty much unchanged from last meeting, I guess since we didn't actually carry out any of them... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2012-06-20
[16:08] <mainmeister> is there any special command to set up symbolic link in /usr/include and /usr/lib to make the development of gtk version 2.0 work properly?
[16:10] <mainmeister> or do I just copy /usr/include/glib-2.0 to /usr/include?
[17:09] <jlamothe> mainmeister: I'm not sure if you've found an answer to this or not yet, but have you tried: sudo ldconfig?
[17:09] <jlamothe> (without the question mark, obviously)
[17:09] <jlamothe> ...oh no, wait... that's for libraries.
[17:10] <jlamothe> ...not headers.
[17:10] <mainmeister> I'll no doubt have the same problem with the lib as well
[17:10] <mainmeister> thanks
[17:10] <jlamothe> There's usually an option you have to pass to the compiler.
[17:11] <jlamothe> I don't know what it is for gtk though.
[17:14] <jlamothe> are you using pkg-config?
[17:15] <jlamothe> For the compiling phase, you apparently need to add `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` to the command to run the compiler.
[17:15] <jlamothe> For the linking phase you need to add `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0`
[17:16] <jlamothe> The backticks are important.
[17:16] <mainmeister> I've tried that but the includes don't work
[17:16] <jlamothe> Hrm...
[17:17] <mainmeister> #include <gtk/gtk.h> results in /usr/include/gdk/gdkapplaunchcontext.h:30:21: fatal error: gio/gio.h: No such file or directory
[17:18] <jlamothe> You said you're using geany?
[17:18] <mainmeister> yes
[17:19] <mainmeister> I think I need to either symbolically link or copy from gtk-2.0
[17:19] <jlamothe> have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=718214
[17:19] <jlamothe> I typed that by hand, so I hope it works.
[17:20] <mainmeister> ok thank you
[17:20]  * jlamothe wishes he could copy/paste from one computer to another.
[17:47]  * willwh sips


[15:59] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[15:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:59. The chair is NCommander.
[15:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:59] <ogra> plop
[15:59] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110630
[15:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110630
[16:00] <NCommander> Who's here?
[16:00] <janimo> me
[16:00]  * GrueMaster is not here.
[16:00]  * davidm is looking around
[16:01] <NCommander> [topic] AI Review
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  AI Review
[16:01] <NCommander> NCommander to get Documentation spec approved
[16:01] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to get Documentation spec approved
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to get Documentation spec approved
[16:01] <NCommander> c/o
[16:01] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[16:01] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:01] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html
[16:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html
[16:01] <NCommander> Mr. Burndown Chart is :-(
[16:03] <NCommander> so looking at theburndown chart, it looks like a fair bit of the items are things that were done
[16:03] <GrueMaster> I need to file a bug against iso.qa.ubuntu.com for the netboot image to get added.  The filesystem peroformance tests take 84 hours each to run.
[16:03] <ogra> NCommander, the trend line still waits for your spec to be approved ;)
[16:04] <GrueMaster> And they only run on one system.
[16:04] <janimo> GrueMaster, can't there be a much sorter but still representative test?
[16:04] <janimo> like 1 r?
[16:04] <NCommander> ogra: just fix it. At the rate we're going, that spec won't get approved until after A2
[16:04] <ogra> whats so hard about just having steve to check the checkbox in LP ? should i ask him to do it ?
[16:05] <NCommander> ogra: if you want to
[16:05] <ogra> k
[16:05] <NCommander> [action] ogra to get NCommander's documentation spec approved
[16:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra to get NCommander's documentation spec approved
[16:06] <NCommander> anything else or can I move on
[16:06] <ogra> move
[16:06] <ogra> well
[16:06] <ogra> no
[16:06] <ogra> we probably need to look over the A2 items
[16:06] <NCommander> ogra: I ended up finishing several ofyour items so I'll mark those DONE now
[16:06] <ogra> since we are unlikely to achieve all of them we should look which we can postpone
[16:06] <ogra> to make kate happy
[16:07] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[16:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[16:08] <NCommander> We have ubuntu-server images! (thanks infinity)
[16:08] <ogra> and i heard roumors that netbook works
[16:08] <ogra> mahmoh1, ^^^ any input ?
[16:08] <ogra> err
[16:08] <ogra> netboot
[16:08] <persia> netbook?  AI thought that was dropped.
[16:09] <GrueMaster> U-boot PXE testing is in progress.
[16:09] <mahmoh1> mahmoh1: I wasn't able to get it to complete yet, waiting on NCommander but pxe boot works now
[16:09] <infinity> persia: s/netbook/netboot/, ogra can't type.
[16:09] <persia> ah
[16:10] <mahmoh1> still needs cleanup though but usb pxe is recognized, downloads, etc.
[16:11] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati)
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati)
[16:12] <NCommander> anyone around or should I move on?
[16:12] <GrueMaster> Apparently no kernel issues - everything is perfect?
[16:12] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[16:13] <janimo> no progress this week
[16:13] <NCommander> netboot installer is pretty much done on omap4 sans partman-logic
[16:13] <janimo> still a few main ftbfs left
[16:13] <rsalveti> everything is perfect on the kernel side, no progress ;-)
[16:13] <NCommander> I think as far as porting goes, we're looking decent for A2
[16:13] <ogra_> awesome
[16:13] <infinity> I had a talk with doko about the upstart issue last night.  No real progress there, though.
[16:14] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[16:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[16:14] <NCommander> So we have a netboot image */copy and paste from before*
[16:15] <ogra_> desktop is broken atm ... (possibly headless too)
[16:15] <ogra_> jasper is misbeahving
[16:15] <GrueMaster> Will test server image after meeting.
[16:16] <ogra_> move ?
[16:16] <ppisati> hallo :)
[16:16] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[16:16] <NCommander> ppisati: cooloney we'll loop backto kernel status after this
[16:16] <GrueMaster> Hey, thats me.
[16:16] <ppisati> sorry, i had the "goal review" right now :P
[16:17] <ogra_> baaad timing :)
[16:17] <ppisati> right :)
[16:17] <GrueMaster> Work with Jenkins team to get that operational.  Now ready to start adding tests.
[16:17] <ogra_> we'll go back to kernel later :)
[16:17] <ogra_> \o/
[16:17] <ppisati> i think i'm going to be dragged out again soon
[16:17] <GrueMaster> mahmoh1 and I are workingtogether on the u-boot pxe stuff, and ramping up on server testing.
[16:18] <GrueMaster> Nothing else to see here, move along.
[16:18] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati)
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati)
[16:19] <ppisati> on zinc, on my oneiric tree, you can find an oneiric/ti-omap4-next branch
[16:19] <ppisati> but don't even try it, it kernel panics on boot
[16:20] <ppisati> vanilla (3.0-rc5 + TI BSP provided byu agreen/TI)
[16:20] <GrueMaster> That would be bad.
[16:20] <ogra_> thats 3.0 ?
[16:20] <ppisati> sorry, they are calling me again
[16:20] <ogra_> *snap* :P
[16:20] <ogra_> ppisati, thanks for the update !!!!
[16:20] <ogra_> cooloney, anything to add ?
[16:20] <ppisati> can we talk about it tonight?
[16:21] <ogra_> or tomorrow :)
[16:21] <GrueMaster> ppisati: This is mainly for public facing progress.  Thanks.
[16:21] <NCommander> [topic] ABO
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  ABO
[16:21] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:22] <GrueMaster> BOA?
[16:22] <ogra_> OAB !
[16:22] <NCommander> I don't see what Bank of America hasto do withthis
[16:23] <GrueMaster> Dobee dobee doo
[16:23] <ogra_> twiddle
[16:23] <NCommander> closing in 3
[16:23] <NCommander> 2
[16:23] <NCommander> 1
[16:23] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[16:23] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:23.
[16:57] <pitti> cjwatson, kees: TB meeting in 5 - shall we meet IRL?
[16:57] <kees> pitti: sure thing, where at?
[16:57] <pitti> desktop room is too crowded -- we might try the meeting room at the reception?
[17:06] <cjwatson> couch meeting
[17:06] <Laney> please try to keep irc roughly informed :-)
[17:06] <kees> \o/
[17:07] <pitti> #startmeeting
[17:07] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:07. The chair is pitti.
[17:07] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:07] <pitti> [topic] Set series RM to ubuntu-release? (
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Set series RM to ubuntu-release? (
[17:08] <pitti> I don't see anything left which would prevent us from doing it
[17:08] <cjwatson> I'm happy to take the action to make that change and make sure stuff still works
[17:09] <cjwatson> so I think we should double-check the following things after making this change:
[17:09] <cjwatson>  * non-core-dev kernel uploaders (let's say) can target tasks to oneiric
[17:09] <pitti> that part has been tested, I think
[17:09] <cjwatson>  * non-release-team core-devs can target tasks to oneiric
[17:10] <cjwatson>  * non-core-dev release team members can modify oneiric milestones
[17:10] <kees> yeah, the taks targetting has been tested
[17:10] <pitti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/451390/comments/10
[17:10] <cjwatson> sorry, I actually mean stable releases, not oneiric
[17:11] <cjwatson> (oneiric already has the series RM set to ubuntu-release)
[17:11] <cjwatson> ok, let's jfdi
[17:12] <kees> +1
[17:12] <pitti> [topic] Measuring installation success/failure
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Measuring installation success/failure
[17:12] <pitti> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-June/000935.html
[17:12] <kees> right, I replied to that in agreement with pitti
[17:12] <pitti> we have +1s in email from kees and me
[17:14] <cjwatson> (one sec, just moving to a meeting room and adding sabdfl)
[17:15] <pitti> (catching up sabdfl to the recent discussion)
[17:24] <cjwatson> we're generally in favour with Evan's current proposal, and discussing how the data would be kept
[17:36] <cjwatson> Principles (summarising from RL):
[17:36] <cjwatson>  * the purpose of collecting the data is to make Ubuntu better
[17:37] <cjwatson>  * while we won't make the data entirely public (avoiding unexpected privacy concerns, and competitive questions), people with technical/research projects who have a need for it can ask the TB for data
[17:38] <pitti>  * for opt-out we need to write a privacy policy
[17:41] <cjwatson> people who are concerned about what data we're collecting can of course examine the client source code; we won't correlate IP addresses with this
[17:48] <cjwatson>  * we need to discuss data security (against theft) with IS
[17:53] <cjwatson>  * Canonical employees will need to apply to the TB like anyone else, if they want data access
[17:57] <pitti> [vote] Create a install report system as proposed by Evan under above conditions
[17:57] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Create a install report system as proposed by Evan under above conditions.
[17:57] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[17:57] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[17:57] <cjwatson> +1
[17:57] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:57] <kees> +1
[17:57] <MootBot> +1 received from kees. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:57] <pitti> +1
[17:57] <MootBot> +1 received from pitti. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:57] <sabdfl> +1
[17:57] <MootBot> +1 received from sabdfl. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[17:57] <pitti> [endvote]
[17:57] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[17:58] <sabdfl> we should note concerns raised by scott, with his preference for complete publication of all data
[18:01] <pitti> FTR: MRE for banshee didn't raise any discussion so far, but should be formally +1'ed on the ML
[18:01] <pitti> Policy proposal for partner repository just was updated today -> by mail or next meeting
[18:04] <pitti> some discussion about DMB voting procedure (just came in a day ago)
[18:14] <kees> pitti: +1 on the MRE
[18:15] <sabdfl> thanks all
[18:15] <sabdfl> i'm now +1 on the MRE ;-)
[18:15] <sabdfl> sorry, +2
[18:35] <pitti> #endmeeting
[18:35] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:35.
[18:36] <Laney> voting outcome?
[21:37] <highvoltage> g/win 12
[22:27] <maco> Laney: looks like they didnt discuss or vote on how we should tally votes :-/
[22:28] <Laney> maco: no idea what 'some discussion' is...
[22:28] <Laney> pitti: any clue? :-)


[02:35] <qwebirc83965> hello everyone, has anyone had any luck with the hauppauge hd pvr 1212 with the blaster/transmitter, using 10.04?
[02:36] <qwebirc83965> have had tried many different things and I can list them if you like
[03:15] <rhpot1991> qwebirc83965: I use one, but don't IR blast, I use firewire for my channel changing
[03:34] <qwebirc83965> thanks for the tip with firewire from what I see from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire#Changing_Channels_via_Firewire its looks easy and straightforward, would you agree?
[03:34] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] FireWire - MythTV
[03:40] <shanefer> Hi - When I'm watching live TV and I open the program guide (m for menu and then choose program guide), I see the guide flash for a split second and then disappear.. if i press the up or down key, I can see the guide flash for another split second but it always disappears.  oddly enough, last night it was working (after being this way for around 2 weeks).   any ideas?
[03:44] <rhpot1991> qwebirc83965: ya its pretty straight forward, there are a lot of files you can leverage on your system already too
[03:44] <rhpot1991> look in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/channel_changers
[03:47] <qwebirc83965> great I'll look farther into that option
[03:47] <qwebirc83965> thanks for the help
[04:07] <fides> !help
[04:07] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[04:10] <fides> I have a question for anyone else using pcHDTV HD-5500?  On the backend status it says there are two encoders does that mean there are two hd digital encoders?
[04:15] <shanefer> Hi - When I'm watching live TV and I open the program guide (m for menu and then choose program guide), I see the guide flash for a split second and then disappear.. if i press the up or down key, I can see the guide flash for another split second but it always disappears. oddly enough, last night it was working (after being this way for around 2 weeks). any ideas?
[04:59] <shanefer> Hi - When I'm watching live TV and I open the program guide (m for menu and then choose program guide), I see the guide flash for a split second and then disappear.. if i press the up or down key, I can see the guide flash for another split second but it always disappears. oddly enough, last night it was working (after being this way for around 2 weeks). any ideas?
[04:59] <rhpot1991> !repeat | shanefer
[04:59] <Zinn> shanefer: Don't repeatedly ask your question more than 1 time per 2 hours.  It makes the mods mad and you will be kicked.
[04:59] <shanefer> thanks!!
[05:00] <rhpot1991> check back and see if someone has an idea, if no one answers hit the forums
[05:00] <rhpot1991> !forums
[05:00] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu forums are located at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301.  If you aren't getting a timely response here, there are lots of very active individuals there that may be able to help.
[05:00] <shanefer> awesome, thanks a lot
[05:32] <picard1421> hey
[05:32] <picard1421> i was wondering.. i want to make a mythTV box at my second house to get the channels from my first house.. i have setup my cable box and i have a slingplayer.. IS there anyway to get the slingstream onto the mythTV  boX?
[05:32] <picard1421> I want to use hte Myth TV as a pVR etc...
[06:00] <fides> !status
[06:00] <Zinn> I am alive.


[00:17] <hyndra> any one alive
[00:18] <hyndra> hi
[00:18] <hyndra> have a prob
[00:18] <hyndra> any help
[00:18] <hyndra> i cant  install vmware or virtual box or qemu
[00:19] <hyndra> why __????
[00:19] <hyndra> i have kubunto
[00:20] <institute> people dont seem to do talking here :P
[00:20] <institute> it seems
[00:20] <hyndra> why not
[00:21] <hyndra> whre they talk
[00:21] <hyndra> they are 225
[00:22] <institute> not sure ive just been sitting in here for a day and very little people talking guess no one watchs the chat window
[00:22] <hyndra> ok
[00:22] <hyndra> thanks
[00:22] <hyndra> maybe  ububtu  channel
[00:22] <hyndra> but i dont know how to open that channel
[00:22] <hyndra> first time here
[01:07] <buff27> what is the cpu requirements for kubuntu?
[01:07] <buff27> to run reasonable smooth
[01:12] <claydoh> buff27: I can't remember the real minimums, but I do run kubuntu on a 7 year old 2 ghz p4 laptop with 1gb ram and 8mb video
[01:12] <claydoh> its fine most of the time , that is as low as I would recommend
[01:13] <buff27> ok thanks
[01:13] <buff27> was wondering how my netbook would go
[01:13] <buff27> atom N270 (1.6Ghz) 1.5Gb ram
[01:17] <claydoh> should be just fine, the gpu is often the problem point more than cpu/ram
[03:39] <valorie> has anybody successfully run ubuntuone on Kubuntu?
[03:39] <valorie> it ran in Lucid, but now I don't even get it to start
[03:40] <valorie> now on Mav
[03:40] <valorie> read the doc files, and they talk only about Gnome
[05:15] <cosmo18> is there a way to make kate use spaces instead of tab when you hit the tab key?
[05:31] <Daskreech> cosmo18: yes
[05:31] <Daskreech> I think :)
[05:31] <cosmo18> I have looked through the options but maybe I am just missing it
[05:32] <cosmo18> it would make it a lot easier for editing yaml files
[05:38] <tsimpson> cosmo18: Settings -> Editing -> Insert spaces instead of tabulators
[05:41] <cosmo18> tsimpson: thank you
[05:43] <ahmedhelal> hello, i tried to install kde using sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop on 10.10 ubuntu, however after restart i ended up with konsole opened with no borders (no decorators) and kde didnt load, however typing startkde magically opens kde and everything loads normally.. any idea ?
[05:45] <cosmo18> well this makes at least 4 weeks without windoze and I have to say I'm not missing it so far
[06:27] <napo> hi
[06:27] <napo> alguien despierto?
[06:29] <napo> hola?
[06:40] <napo> somebody in there?
[06:41] <valorie> !ask | napo
[06:43] <napo> ah ok, hoy instale kubuntu, tengo problemas con mi tarjeta via s3 unichrome alguien puede ayudarme? solo quiero saber si estoy en el sitio correcto o si formulo mi pregunta en ingles o alguien puede ayudarme en español
[06:47] <n> Hey everyone
[06:48] <Guest97711> just a quick question: i have a folder with tons of subfolders with subfolders that have images in them. i know none of the images have the same filename. I'd like to move just the images from all the subfolders into a single folder named wallpapers
[06:48] <Guest97711> i came across something like
[06:48] <Guest97711> find * -maxdepth 1 -type f -exec cp {} ~ \;
[06:48] <Guest97711> but it just tells me exec is missing an argument
[06:49] <wallpaper-novice> any easy way to do that?
[06:50] <wallpaper-novice> i think i'd need to change maxdepth to at least 10 too to make sure it gets the files from the sub subfolders
[07:17] <Daskreech> !es |    napo
[07:19] <Daskreech> wallpaper-novice: That looks like it should work
[07:20] <Daskreech> You are copying from whereever to your home directory
[07:28] <wallpaper-novice> Thanks
[07:55] <Bodat> hi all
[07:56] <Bodat> can anyone provide assistance setting up a SD card reader and webcam on aspire one netbook?
[08:43] <c2tarun> can anyone please help me with this error http://paste.kde.org/29377/
[09:17] <paolinux> hi
[09:43] <goofed37> i installed kubuntu twice and tried to erase one of the kubuntus off so i could have all of the hard drive back. now i get grub rescue. how do i rescue grub so i can back on my computer?
[09:44] <alex____> hello everybody
[09:44] <goofed37> also, how do i get all of the hard drive back?
[09:45] <alex____> Is any russians here?
[09:45] <alex____> heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[09:53] <goofed37> does anybody know what the grub rescue screen is, and how to get grub to recognize the right partition?
[10:19] <o___oll> Yay, everything worked (was the one with issues merging my wallpaper folders via bash)
[10:19] <o___oll> 55GB of wallpapers all in one place, heh. I'm not sure what slideshow would do if i tried to assign the folder, but i doubt it'd handle it well =P
[10:31] <vyrgozunqk> hi guys
[10:32] <vyrgozunqk> i'm using kubuntu 11.04, but i cannot set cpu freq within powerdevil, because there's no more solid-powermanagement,
[10:32] <vyrgozunqk> any ideas how to set custom cpu-freq profiles
[10:34] <vyrgozunqk> i'm searching a lot in google, but i cannot find anything..
[10:42] <bati> g
[10:44] <amigrave> why does the ubuntu font renders so bad under kubuntu natty (particulary bold) ? Is there any antialiasing settings tweak I could use ?
[11:25] <c2tarun> gimp not starting on kubuntu natty. anyone using gimp here?
[11:27] <c2tarun> gimp just started with sudo gimp :/ why so?
[11:29] <topyli> yes gimp refused to start/crashed for me too when i thought i'd have a look
[11:29] <topyli> i don't really use it though, so i simply removed it
[11:30] <c2tarun> topyli: is this bug?
[11:31] <mfraz74> have you tried asking in kubuntu-devel or ubuntu+1?
[11:31] <topyli> c2tarun: i would certainly call it one :)
[11:35] <mfraz74> what version of gimp are you using?
[11:44] <Kaleidoscope> Tryin to install flash, I DLed the flash file, Where do I put it?
[11:44] <Kaleidoscope> it's libflashplayer.so
[11:48] <Kaleidoscope> Nvm, Figured it out, Thanks though
[12:13] <v3nd3tta``> guys i need your help: i installed a year ago Kubuntu 10.04, now i wanted to upgrade to 10.10 but it says i got Ubuntu 10.04.2 installed, and i did dist-upgrade and it still says this
[12:16] <Riddell> v3nd3tta``: 10.04.2 is just 10.04 plus updates
[12:16] <v3nd3tta``> but i wanted 10.10 :O and Kubuntu, not Ubuntu :O
[12:23] <v3nd3tta``> and Riddell i know that there's a "PatchDay" which applies .1 and .2
[12:25] <Riddell> v3nd3tta``: you haven't explained what you are doing or reading the distro version from but the upgrade instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu
[12:29] <v3nd3tta``> Riddell: it wants to install Ubuntu 10.10
[12:34] <Riddell> v3nd3tta``: I don't know what you are referring to
[12:36] <v3nd3tta``> whatever, i'll wait for 11.04 and check it out when i'm @home
[12:39] <dmatti> v3nd3tta``: dist-upgrade does not upgrade you to newer version of distro
[12:39] <v3nd3tta``> okay...
[12:46] <dave_> bonjour
[12:48] <BATi> v3nd3tta``: until official release, you can use "do-release-upgrade -d" which should get you Natty Beta 2...
[13:26] <_BS_-NOT> @v3nd3tta: What makes you want to move from an LTS release? Also, note that Ubuntu is Kubuntu and vice versa, sort of. Largely, the difference is only the window manager. For example, on Kubuntu, lsb_release -a shows Ubuntu. Some would say the only difference is whether you have kde desktop, or gnome desktop, installed.
[14:00] <erni> ciao
[14:00] <bazhang> !it | erni
[14:14] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:46] <jarle> Tweetdeck fails to open URLs in firefox when running kubuntu 10.10 64bit, anybody solved this? I'm sure I had this working fine before...)
[15:49] <genii-around> !info tweetdeck
[15:49] <genii-around> Hm
[15:49] <jarle> genii-around: it's and adobe air application
[15:53] <segovia> Hi people
[15:54] <segovia> im new user of kubuntu
[15:55] <genii-around> segovia: Welcome. If you have a specific question about your kubuntu, to just ask the channel, if someone knows an answer they will reply.
[17:21] <ahmedhelal> hello, on ubuntu's start up i get "configuration file "/tmp/0430921500/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc" not writable. please contact your system administrator." any idea ?
[17:26] <BluesKaj> ahmedhelal, dunno for sure but perhaps sudo update-rc.d may help, altho it is a tmp=temporary
[17:27] <ahmedhelal> BluesKaj: i just discovered that folder 0403.. doesnt even exist in tmp, would that hint you by any way ?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> ahmedhelal, yeah it could be a transitional file that exist for a few swcs it takes for some kind of permission or run level to take place
[17:29] <BluesKaj> secs
[17:29] <ahmedhelal> BluesKaj: so what should i do ?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> is it affecting your work ?
[17:29] <ahmedhelal> well not really but annoying dialogue on every reboot :)
[17:30]  * James147 would run an update to see if that helps
[17:31] <ahmedhelal> James147: i have 437 updates pending, could possibly any of them fix it  ? :P
[17:31] <James147> ahmedhelal: possibally ^^
[17:37] <ahmedhelal> James147: great, now i cant update  KPackagekit crashes
[17:37] <ahmedhelal> restarted it, still crashes
[17:37] <James147> ahmedhelal: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[17:38] <James147> ^ run that
[17:38] <ahmedhelal> did so, i hope it doesnt install  a new kernel
[17:39] <James147> ahmedhelal: why?
[17:43] <ahmedhelal> James147: cause i have a work around for my clickpad that works with current kernel and i dun no how will it function next
[17:44] <James147> ahmedhelal: what work around?
[17:45] <ahmedhelal> James147: http://linuxenvy.blogspot.com/2011/01/touchpad-fixed.html
[17:45] <James147> ^^ with that many updates I would say one is likly to be a new kernel, though it wont remove the old kernel... but I dont see that breaking the workaround unless it directly involves modifing the kernel
[17:47] <James147> ahmedhelal: dont see why a new kernel would break that
[17:51] <ahmedhelal> James147: i tried installing the deb last night on a 11.04
[17:52] <ahmedhelal> but it failed, due to some kernel module issue , dont remember exactly
[17:52] <ahmedhelal> however it worked flawlessly on 10.10
[17:52] <ahmedhelal> so i thought its the kernel version
[17:52] <ahmedhelal> since the fix is non official it could be written for a certain version
[17:54] <James147> ahmedhelal: but that tutorial dose not mention that you require a spicific kernel version, so why would it depends on one?
[17:56] <MK``> can I use KWin with a non-KDE shell, or the KDE shell with a different window manager like metacity, mutter, compiz, or xfwm?
[17:56] <James147> kanibalv: yes
[17:56] <James147> MK``: ^^ sorry
[17:57] <DarthFrog> But why would you want to?
[17:57] <James147> DarthFrog: :D
[17:57] <MK``> It's linux! The whole point is to get so accustomed to the choices you start making reckless ones :P
[17:58] <James147> DarthFrog: I can see why people want the first open (run kwin else where) :) I have run kwin over ssh on my uni lab comps before just so I dont ahve to use metacity
[17:59] <DarthFrog> I wouldn't term it reckless, as such.  Pointless is a better description.
[17:59] <ahmedhelal> James147:  you are right, may be it will work, or at least i hope so, thanks for the help anyway
[18:00] <James147> ahmedhelal: either way, installing anew kernel on ubuntu dosnt remove the old kernels so you can always boot form an old one
[18:00] <DarthFrog> James147: You ran kwin remotely to display locally?
[18:00] <James147> DarthFrog: yeah :D worked suprising less... espically over a wireless :p
[18:00] <ahmedhelal> James147: yeah :)
[18:00] <James147> well ^^
[18:00] <DarthFrog> James147:  :-)
[18:01] <James147> DarthFrog: what was worring is its nicer to work with(despite the minor lag) then useing metacity
[18:01] <MK``> So all the window managers follow the same guidelines and should work with most shells?
[18:02] <DarthFrog> MK``: They might have a boatload of dependencies when you install them though.
[18:02] <James147> MK``: yes, though some work better with some things then other... for example, kde is built to work with kwin
[18:02] <James147> ^^ and that
[18:02] <MK``> ok I was just curiois
[18:03] <DarthFrog> MK``: You might want to check out E.   It's a dark horse candidate. :-)
[18:04] <DarthFrog> !enlightenment | MK``
[18:05] <MK``> I've been meaning to try E
[18:06] <MK``> is e17 the package for that?
[18:07]  * BluesKaj ponders wayland display server ..ppl keep calling a new X server , which is not ..it's mean't to replace X ..just wonder how long it will take the nvidia's and ati's to create driver s for it
[18:08] <James147> BluesKaj: far too long...
[18:08] <BluesKaj> it's in the repos
[18:09] <Peace-> hi BluesKaj James147
[18:09] <James147> Heya Peace-
[18:10] <BluesKaj> hey Peace-
[18:10] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Presumably, Xorg will still be available once Wayland is the default graphics system.
[18:10] <MK``> should I use KWin instead of Metacity even with gnome? :D
[18:11] <DarthFrog> MK``: If you have KDE why would you want to run GNOME?
[18:11] <MK``> I haven't decided which one to use yet :(
[18:11] <DarthFrog> We'll be glad to help you.  Run KDE.  :-)
[18:12] <DarthFrog> MK``: Besides, I would think that you'd want to run Unity or GNOME Shell instead.
[18:12] <MK``> I am using gnome shell right now, should I replace metacity with kwin to get used to that first?
[18:12] <James147> MK``: its really up to you, kwin is allot more functional then metacity... i would either use kwin or compiz on gnome
[18:12] <MK``> This is a laptop, for the record heh
[18:13] <DarthFrog> MK``: Have you tried XfCE?
[18:13] <DarthFrog> It's better for laptops, less resource intensive.
[18:14] <MK``> I have yeah, xfwm is pretty nice, haven't used the workspace too much yet
[18:14] <James147> DarthFrog: depends... if your laptop can run kde then why is Xfce better? surly the better functionaly in kde better too have
[18:15] <DarthFrog> James147: I agree wholeheartedly.  But laptops generally tend to be less beefy than desktop machines.
[18:15] <DarthFrog> Not true of higher end laptops, of course.
[18:16] <James147> DarthFrog: most are good enough to use it ^^ I am running it on a netbook with 2 gig ram (though it will run fine with 1 gig) and a 1.6ghz processor
[18:16] <James147> which is less powerful then most newer laptops
[18:16] <MK``> This laptop is highend except for the videocard, which I assume is the relevant piece of hardware
[18:17] <MK``> it has integrated graphics
[18:17] <DarthFrog> Perhaps saying "notebooks" instead, then, is more meanginful.
[18:17] <MK``> 4 GB ram, over 2 GHz processor
[18:17] <DarthFrog> Or netbooks, which are very popular today.
[18:17] <James147> DarthFrog: notebook? they tend to be more powerful then netbooks
[18:17] <DarthFrog> MK``: That shoud run anything you want. :-)
[18:18] <James147> and again i take you back to my first argument, mine runs it fine and newer netbooks are just more powerfull
[18:18] <James147> DarthFrog: Xfce is better on oldercomputers though, or if you want speed over everything else :)
[18:19] <DarthFrog> True.  And it also depends upon what you want to do with the machine.  If your apps are resource intensive, you'l probably want a lighter weigh OS.
[18:20] <James147> DarthFrog: if your buying a netbook then your applications wont be that intense...
[18:20] <DarthFrog> James147: And if I wanted top speed, well, I'd go back to fvwm or even twm. :-)
[18:21] <James147> DarthFrog: well, umm, unless your a fool that is (points at him self)
[18:21] <DarthFrog> :-)  FVWM had its charms.
[18:22] <DarthFrog> About the only good thing to say about twm is that it worked. :-)
[18:23] <James147> DarthFrog: however, one thing people tend ot overlook is the speed at which you work on the different envrioments
[18:23] <James147> DarthFrog: kde might run midly slower, but i spend farless time getting to where i was on it
[18:25] <DarthFrog> James147:  You are also not a novice user.
[18:26] <James147> DarthFrog: thats just another point, the simpler window manager are also less friendly and intuative ^^
[18:26] <MK``> :o Kwin supports tabbed windows? I may use it just for that
[18:26] <DarthFrog> Oh, I'm not recommending either fvwm or twm to a newbie.  Not on your nelly!
[18:26] <James147> MK``: "supports" but I have never found ti terribly stable
[18:27] <MK``> ah
[18:27] <DarthFrog> MK``: So does the GNOME 2 window manager.
[18:27] <cruz> hola
[18:28] <cruz> list
[18:29] <cruz> alguien habla español?
[18:29] <cruz> hola bati
[18:29] <James147> !es | cruz
[18:30] <cruz> trank you
[18:30] <cruz> #ubuntu-es
[18:31] <cruz> holaa
[18:34] <michal_> siemka jest ktos z polski
[18:35] <michal_> mam problemy z wine
[18:35] <Tm_T> !pl | michal_
[18:36] <michal_> aha tylko na stronach ubuntu to z pomocą  rużnie
[18:50] <ryrych> good evening bunnies :D
[18:51] <ryrych> one short question: is it safe to remove kmix? I use Veromix. Sometimes kmix eats up my cpu.
[18:52] <James147> ryrych: dont see why not
[18:52] <James147> ryrych: assuming nothing depends on it ^^ though i dot know what would
[18:53] <ryrych> James147: cool, thanks :)
[18:55] <ryrych> one more quesion: I am using global menu. Recently I compilled newest version because it uses glow/halo effect behind text. But it doesn’t work – menu is not detached from windows and global menu shows only File entry
[18:56] <Peace-> ryrych: keep kmix just doesn't run it
[18:56] <Peace-> ryrych: anyway... try to do that on konsole
[18:57] <Peace-> if more packages must be removed system will write it
[18:57] <Peace-> so you can cancel
[18:57] <ryrych> Peace: yep, just looked at dependencies: too many :)
[18:57] <Peace-> xD
[18:57] <Peace-> i use veromix too
[18:58] <Peace-> ryrych: global menu?
[18:58] <Peace-> ryrych: did you mean X bar?
[18:58] <ryrych> Peace: this menu that is placed on a panel
[18:58] <ryrych> Peace: like in Ubuntu
[18:59] <Peace-> ryrych: so you use X bar
[18:59] <Peace-> ryrych: add a panel
[18:59] <Peace-> add widget
[18:59] <Peace-> xbar
[18:59] <ryrych> Peace: its name is window menu bar
[18:59] <Peace-> mm
[18:59] <James147> ryrych: wheres the source?
[18:59] <James147> ^^ where did you get ^^
[18:59] <ryrych> James147: one moment :)
[18:59] <Peace-> ryrych: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/04/25/plasma-desktopvE1609.jpg
[19:00] <ryrych> James147, Peace: http://launchpad.net/plasma-widget-menubar/
[19:02] <ryrych> Peace: as an aside I must ask :D why do you use wstaw.org? :) I see that many KDE people use it. Its Polish service: does it have English translation? :)
[19:04] <jollywollup> I would like to be able to right-click a file and have an option to delete that file. Currently, I can only move it to the trash.  Anyone know how to accomplish this in 11.04?
[19:04] <ryrych> jollywollup: use Shift+Del
[19:05] <jollywollup> ryrych: that's probably more handy, thanks
[19:06] <Peace-> ryrych: you coudl use xbar
[19:06] <Peace-> ryrych: i guess it's the same
[19:07] <ryrych> jollywollup: I think it is a cross-system solution: the same in Windows, don’t know if Mac uses it
[19:08] <James147> ryrych: it does the smae thing ehre
[19:09] <ryrych> James147: the same that is you have compileld it?
[19:10] <ryrych> *compilled
[19:10] <James147> yea
[19:10] <James147> and it only lists close in file
[19:11] <ryrych> James147: basically it was for Natty but… no error during compillation
[19:12]  * James147 ntoes hes running on arch :)
[19:12] <James147> ^^ but yeah, no errors during compileing
[19:12] <ryrych> James147: Kubuntu FTW :D
[19:14] <ryrych> James147: I wrote to the author (last Friday?) but he hasn’t replied yet
[19:44] <katsrc> how do you generally update a widget?
[19:45] <katsrc> remove the old one and install the new one?
[19:45] <James147> katsrc: if you installed it manually then yes
[19:46] <James147> possibally just reinstall it
[19:46] <katsrc> James147: thanks
[21:05] <Bauldrick> i only had 64bit Kubuntu disc, so instyalled it on 32bit Desktop - will that run OK or will there be problems??
[21:07] <James147> Bauldrick: um, the 64bit cd wont run on a 32bit system, if you managed to run and install it then you have a 64bit system
[21:16] <katsrc> how do you get a plasma widget into the System Tray icon area in the panel?
[21:20] <James147> katsrc: not all widget are designed for go there but the ones taht are you can via: right click the systray (not one of the icons in it) > System tray settings > ...
[21:21] <katsrc> James147: so the plasmoid has to be designed for System Tray?
[21:22] <James147> yes
[21:22] <James147> katsrc: what widget are you wanting there?
[21:23] <katsrc> James147: Google Tasks
[21:27] <James147> katsrc: you might want to ask the author for that feature
[21:27] <katsrc> James147: thanks a lot, i was just going to write him a message
[22:03] <PauseBazinga> what's the name of the dev channel again?  something like "ubuntu+"?
[22:08] <LMB_> sup
[22:12] <James147> PauseBazinga: #kubuntu-devel
[22:12] <PauseBazinga> rog, thx
[23:47] <sorush20> I'm burning an audio cd in k3b but the track info artist and song name are not being written to the cd? Why is that? Can anyone helP ?
[23:52] <momo64600> hello
[23:54] <Guest16200> !list
[23:54] <sergio__> ciao


[01:09] <ibeardslee> chilts: that Dell XPS 13 "Project Sputnik" is a bit silly really
[01:09] <ajmitch> fairly nice hardware though
[01:09] <ibeardslee> more expensive than the legacy OS version and Dell is still to retarded to work out how to sell things in NZ
[01:10] <ibeardslee> "developer edition" with 1366x768?
[01:10] <ibeardslee> after Linus' rant over laptop resolutions
[01:11] <ajmitch> maybe it's just me, but I manage with the same resolution on the zareason machine
[01:11] <ajmitch> I do use 2x22" monitors on my desk at work though
[01:13] <ibeardslee> yeap I can deal with the UltraLap resolution as well .. I would have liked it higher though
[01:14] <ajmitch> sure, 1920x1080 would have been nice, I think the asus ultrabook has that?
[01:14] <chilts> yeah, it's stupid that it's higher in price than with the windowstax version
[01:14] <ojwb> nothing screams cutting edge technology like "sputnik"
[01:15] <ibeardslee> trying to find specs to see if it goes over 8GB RAM
[01:15] <ajmitch> very best soviet russia has to offer!
[01:19] <ojwb> "Distro augmented with the necessary hardware drivers" - guess that translates as "almost everything needs a proprietary driver"
[01:25] <mwhudson> guys
[01:25] <mwhudson> be happy maybe?
[01:26] <ojwb> bah humbug
[01:27] <ojwb> poking further, it seems like it might actually mean they fixed the annoying bugs in the drivers
[01:50] <ibeardslee> mwhudson: yeah true.
[01:50] <ibeardslee> of course you haven't heard me giving the Dell guy an earful on the phone about the availablity of linux laptops in NZ
[01:50] <ibeardslee> .. or lack there of
[01:51] <ibeardslee> I've told him at least twice I don't want to talk to him until members of the public can buy laptops with linux preinstaled
[01:54] <ibeardslee> I think elky has been entertained by that
[01:56] <elky> aww. did that happen again?
[01:56] <ajmitch> heh
[01:56] <ajmitch> elky: I suppose you work on a different floor & can hear him from there?
[01:57] <elky> ajmitch, yeah, we've been playing musical desks here
[01:57] <elky> ask derailed how many times i've moved desk in the past month. it's confusing the poor guy
[01:58] <ajmitch> a new meaning for agile development
[01:58] <elky> heh
[01:59] <elky> ajmitch,  i used to be on the same floor and could hear him ranting, but now i'm 5 floors up
[01:59] <ajmitch> can you still hear him ranting?
[01:59] <elky> only when he walks past still muttering
[03:33]  * ibeardslee crosses fingers
[03:41] <ibeardslee> yay remote update & reboot worked


[03:15] <steve_> hello
[03:20] <steve_> I have moved to mythbuntu 10.04 and have some issues with sound. In mythvideo with some files the channels are wrong. (Centre from the left, left from the centre) Also  the upmixer causes the front end crash on some files. I use the SPIDF out.
[03:39] <mrand> steve_: I'm not very knowledgable on the sound part of it, but if you are finding things that cause crashes, we'd like to get them reported.
[03:39] <mrand> !debug
[03:39] <Zinn> To report crashes, please follow the directions outlined under the "Basic backtrace" section of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Debugging_with_Ubuntu_packages
[03:41] <steve_> i think it has something to do with libfaad
[03:47] <mrand> steve_: which rev of mythtv are you running?
[04:00] <steve_> how do i find that out?
[04:06] <steve_> 23820
[04:11] <tmkt> steve
[04:11] <tmkt> same error as i'm runing into i think
[04:11] <tmkt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/546552
[04:11] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #546552 in Mythbuntu: “MythTV is built without H.264 HE-AAC support”
[04:12] <tmkt> been fighting with it since moving to 10.04/0.23
[04:12] <tmkt> recordings/live tv..surround sound through spdif perfect
[04:13] <tmkt> all my dvd rips with ac3 passthrough all playing only dolby 2.0 instead of 5.1
[04:14] <tmkt> and i'm using the newest nightlies
[04:14] <steve_> so its bungged up
[04:21] <steve_> ac3 seems to work poperly, acc is no good
[04:26] <steve_> stereo plays stereo, toggling the up mixer my amplifier reports 96khz. and the fronted fails
[04:27] <steve_> and my computer does not have enough free memory to automatically analyse the problem and send a report to the developers.
[04:31] <steve_> her dying breaths:
[04:31] <steve_> steve@myth:~$ mythfrontend
[04:31] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:45.387 mythfrontend version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [23820] www.mythtv.org
[04:31] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:45.387 Using runtime prefix = /usr
[04:31] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:45.387 Using configuration directory = /home/steve/.mythtv
[04:31] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.058 DBHostName is not set in mysql.txt
[04:31] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.058 Assuming localhost
[04:31] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] MythTV, Open Source DVR
[04:31] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.058 Empty LocalHostName.
[04:31] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.058 Using localhost value of myth
[04:31] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.065 New DB connection, total: 1
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.067 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.080 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0'
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.095 ScreenSaverX11Private: XScreenSaver support enabled
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.097 DPMS is disabled.
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.099 Primary screen: 0.
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.100 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.101 Using screen 0, 1920x1080 at 0,0
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.113 Desktop video mode: 1920x1080 60.0024 Hz
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.127 MythUI Image Cache size set to 20971520 bytes
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.155 Enabled verbose msgs:  important general
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.160 Primary screen: 0.
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.161 Using screen 0, 1920x1080 at 0,0
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.161 Using theme base resolution of 1920x1080
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.171 LIRC: Successfully initialized '/dev/lircd' using '/home/steve/.mythtv/lircrc' config
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.171 JoystickMenuThread Error: Joystick disabled - Failed to read /home/steve/.mythtv/joystickmenurc
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.202 Using Frameless Window
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.202 Using Full Screen Window
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.305 Using the OpenGL painter
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.576 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/Arclight/base.xml'
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.620 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/base.xml'
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.629 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/base.xml'
[04:32] <steve_> 2010-04-15 21:28:46.629 XMLParseBase, Err
[04:32] <steve_> ...will only let me past so much
[04:33] <steve_> i give up for the night and will suffer with improper audio channels, but i wil sleep well at night as i know it will get fixed eventually.
[05:07] <tgm4883> sascng
[05:07] <Zinn> tgm4883: sasc-ng is a method to ILLEGALLY receive cable or satellite broadcasts via a fake software dvb-s/c device.  It is forbidden from being discussed in #ubuntu-mythtv, #ubuntu-mythtv-dev, #mythtv-users, and #mythtv.  If you would like to learn more about it, please refer to its developers and keep any and all discussions about it there.
[05:36] <Abo> Hi All, I am new using Mythbuntu 10.4 beta 2. I can't play liveTV. At first it was giving the error "mythtv is using all inputs. but there are no recordings or something like that. I am using a Hauppage 500 Tv card with an Asus mother board. The DSTV (TV Service) is connected vai composite 2. [That is dev/video0 = Composite2,
[14:39] <tassbur> hi to all
[15:33] <tassbur> hi
[15:34] <Azelphur_> Hi, trying to get my hauppage DVB-S cards remote fully working. Some of the buttons work (EG Arrows. OK), some of the buttons don't (
[15:35] <Azelphur_> fail return instead of backspace \o/
[15:35] <Azelphur_> but yea, some work, some don't, some show up in XEV but don't work in mythtv
[15:35] <tassbur> i'm a newbie on mythbuntu and on mythtv world in general so i've got some questions
[15:35] <tassbur> first how can i check if lna_activation is on?
[15:36] <tassbur> second how can i get epg on screen? EIT video source is on
[15:36] <tassbur> third i have an HVR-4000, and i can't get any channels on it
[15:37] <tassbur> with tzap/mplayer i saw a channel on dvb-s but with myth the only thing i get is: Device Busy
[15:38] <tassbur> i check the  "On Demand" ticket and unchecked "Active EIT Scan" on the two frontends of the card
[15:39] <tassbur> thanks in advance for the responses
[15:39] <rhpot1991> Azelphur_: your best bet is to edit the ~/.lirc/mythtv file to match what you think it should do
[15:40] <rhpot1991> you could then open up a bug with your changes
[15:40] <tassbur> the version of mythbuntu is 10.04
[15:41] <tassbur> and the other card is a TD-500
[15:41] <Azelphur_> rhpot1991, I'll give it a go, thanks :)