[06:40] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:44] <NeRoboto> inetpro: Many mornings.
[13:21] <Langjan> Hello all
[13:22] <Langjan> How are all the pros?
[13:25] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[13:25] <Kilos> they all ok i think, how are you?
[13:26] <Kilos> i am in and out so could take a while to answer, be patient
[13:26] <Langjan> Hi Kilos I'm fine thanks. How are you keeping?
[13:26] <Kilos> im ok ty sir
[13:27] <Langjan> Good! Happy to hear that.
[13:27] <Kilos> got a little cat ian picked up on the tar road
[13:27] <Langjan> Remember my hitch with Tbird hogging the whole screen?
[13:28] <Kilos> was half the width of my hand now 2 months later she big and beautiful
[13:28] <Langjan> Eish!  Eish! Drown it.
[13:29] <Kilos> and very loveable but gets very cheeky at times then gets a good klap
[13:29] <Langjan> Drown it.
[13:30] <Kilos> i hink she half wild cat
[13:30] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:30] <Langjan> lmga!
[13:30] <Langjan> Ok t bird
[13:30] <Kilos> yes
[13:30] <Langjan> Well a guy on the Mozilla forum suggested the answer
[13:30] <Kilos> its their app ya
[13:30] <Langjan> Delete all the .json files in the profile
[13:31] <Kilos> inetpro take note^^
[13:31] <Langjan> then it creates new ones on startup and problem solved
[13:31] <Kilos> great im happy for you
[13:31] <Kilos> what are you going to break next
[13:31] <Langjan> Was'nt mine but worse, it was somebody I helped.
[13:32] <Kilos> lol
[13:32] <Langjan> Watch this space...!
[13:32] <Kilos> weird how these things happen hey
[13:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:32] <Langjan> yeah
[13:33] <Kilos> only the guys that develope them normally know the workarounds
[13:33] <Langjan> What's happening with Ubuntu on usb sticks?
[13:33] <Kilos> they should have put the fix on google
[13:33] <Langjan> Agreed
[13:34] <Kilos> i have no idea anymore , been to slack to keep up with everything
[13:34] <Langjan> Promises...
[13:34] <Kilos> far behind in mails as well
[13:34] <Kilos> what did i promise?
[13:34] <Kilos> oh my
[13:35] <Langjan> I was going to get one when 16.04 launches...
[13:35] <Langjan> Don't lose sleep over it
[13:35] <Kilos> we were supposed to order but it was a big rigmarole and fly also gave up
[13:36] <Langjan> Got myself an external DVD writer, tired battling with us built-in dvd drives
[13:36] <Kilos> you need to show its for a special event etc
[13:36] <Kilos> yes they better. mine in this lappy is broken as well
[13:37] <Langjan> I went to Ubuntu Mate in my lappy, its a great OS but battled to get the DVD booted
[13:38] <Kilos> dont you use a usb stick to install with
[13:38] <Kilos> its faster
[13:38] <Langjan> No, I was there with you once but got rusted
[13:38] <Kilos> once you have the iso you use unetbootin to make the stick and install stick
[13:39] <Kilos> old 4g sticks work well
[13:39] <Langjan> Is the stick then dedicated?
[13:39] <Kilos> use disk utility to format it to mbr then unetbootin to do the rest'
[13:40] <Kilos> it like having a dvd you can install from
[13:40] <Kilos> then you set the bios to boot from usb key or whatever usb thing the pc sees
[13:41] <Kilos> should do an install in less than 7 mins
[13:41] <Kilos> maybe a bit longer on a dual core pc
[13:42] <Langjan> OK will make notes and try some time
[13:42] <Langjan> Thks
[13:42] <Kilos> anytime im awake you welcome haha
[13:43] <Langjan> Those times are getting few and far between...lmga!
[13:43] <Kilos> yeah sorry
[13:43] <Langjan> No no, just joking
[13:44] <Kilos> but just keep pinging and if i am connected it will break through the sleep barrier
[13:44] <Langjan> Just glad you're up and about, was glad to see you here
[13:44] <Kilos> ty
[13:44] <Langjan> How are your girls in Oz?
[13:45] <Kilos> they ok ty, just hard being apart now after those 3 months so painfull even to chat all the time
[13:45] <Langjan> Antoinette is in Melbourne at the mo on an arty trip
[13:46] <Kilos> easy place to get lost if you dont have a gps
[13:46] <Kilos> massive city
[13:48] <Kilos> lemme go make coffee, everyone says it helps with headaches
[13:48] <Kilos> hehe
[13:48] <Langjan> Enjoy, hope it does!
[13:48] <Kilos> its helps them get worse man
[13:48] <Kilos> where you fell out the bus
[13:49] <Langjan> Well thats what I thought, but you know the placebo effect?
[13:53] <Kilos> lol
[13:53] <Kilos> my head been quite good for some weeks now
[13:53] <Kilos> so maybe the coffee is helping
[13:54] <Kilos> hows your family oom
[13:56] <Langjan> Juanita is recovering from what looks like bronchitis, but all is well
[13:56] <Kilos> eish
[13:56] <Langjan> I'm running to next door for a while
[13:56] <Kilos> hope she gets well soon
[13:56] <Kilos> ok
[13:56] <Langjan> thks
[13:56] <Langjan> already better
[13:57] <Kilos> good
[13:57] <Langjan> using only immune builders
[13:57] <Kilos> good
[13:57] <Kilos> expensive though
[13:58] <Langjan> scuse me, chat again just now, I have to go install that repaired Tbird profile
[13:58] <Kilos> ok
[13:58] <Langjan> cheaper than doctors and antibiotics
[13:58] <Kilos> yes
[13:58] <Langjan> especially if you calculate side-effects
[13:58] <Langjan> chat later
[13:58] <Kilos> definitely
[13:58] <Kilos> go well
[18:26] <Langjan> Hey Kilos you still awake?
[18:27] <Kilos> yessir
[18:27] <Kilos> eating pap and beef stew
[18:27] <Langjan> Good! Lekker...
[18:27] <Kilos> bad to eat late i know
[18:27] <Kilos> what broke
[18:28] <Langjan> Lmga!
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <Langjan> I'm not using kde
[18:28] <Kilos> jaja
[18:28] <Langjan> haha
[18:28] <Kilos> mate isnt bad
[18:29] <Langjan> Have you ever given Mate a try?
[18:29] <Kilos> gnome2 iirc
[18:29] <Kilos> yes on 12.04 already
[18:29] <Langjan> I'm pretty impressed with 16.04 on my laptop
[18:30] <Kilos> mate is nice and fast yes
[18:30] <Langjan> and full of features
[18:30] <Langjan> and easy to use
[18:30] <Kilos> but kde just has so much more that works without sukkeling
[18:31] <Langjan> does mate sukkel?
[18:31] <Kilos> so what broke
[18:31] <Langjan> Nothing
[18:31] <Langjan> told you not on kde
[18:31] <Kilos> yes i had to keep finding stuff i needed with kde its there
[18:32] <Langjan> ok good, like what?
[18:32] <Kilos> i cant remember man
[18:32] <Langjan> sorry
[18:32] <Kilos> maybe 3g connection stuff
[18:32]  * inetpro fell asleep
[18:33] <Langjan> oh ok maybe thats why it has'nt bothered me, dont use that stuff
[18:33] <Kilos> maybe ill try it again sometime
[18:33] <Kilos> my dual core desktop is a bit slow with 16.04 kde
[18:33] <inetpro> oops, good morning everybody
[18:33] <Langjan> Hi inetpro
[18:33] <Kilos> morning inetpro there was a pointer for you
[18:34] <Kilos> how to fix Tbird that old men break
[18:34] <inetpro> thanks Kilos but I've never needed that, seriously
[18:34] <Kilos> delete .json and restart it
[18:35] <Kilos> man you tried to help Langjan fix his remember
[18:35] <Kilos> and he is still alive so could come ask how to again some time
[18:35] <Langjan> Kilos, my lappie was slow and sluggish with Unity, then tried Lubuntu but with Mate it flies
[18:35] <Kilos> yes gnome2 was lekker fast
[18:36] <Kilos> lubuntu is hard work
[18:37] <inetpro> addons.json  directoryTree.json  extensions.json  folderTree.json  sessionCheckpoints.json  session.json  times.json
[18:37] <Langjan> inetpro, you never know when...that Tbird just started off with a bug and a very frustrating one at that
[18:37] <inetpro> those ^^ are the files in my thunderbird profile folder
[18:38] <Kilos> mine works lekker so im not even looking
[18:38] <Langjan> Yes, I deleted them all then restarted Tbird and all was well
[18:38] <inetpro> good job
[18:38] <Langjan> Thks to a guy on the Mozilla forum
[18:39] <Kilos> Langjan you google for a solution hey
[18:39] <Kilos> go to one of those sites you looked at and give them the fix
[18:39] <Kilos> then you helping others in the future
[18:39] <inetpro> another way would be to rename your profile folder and start a fresh session
[18:40] <Langjan> Yes but then you lose all your mails and addresses
[18:40] <inetpro> that's why you make backups
[18:40] <Langjan> Kilos, I did post the solution
[18:41] <Kilos> Langjan well done
[18:41] <Langjan>  thks Kilos
[18:41] <inetpro> glad you resolved it Langjan
[18:41] <Kilos> i maually start my Tbird everytime
[18:42] <Kilos> some days i dont wanna look at mails
[18:42] <Kilos> manually
[18:42] <Langjan> So do I
[18:43] <Kilos> mails can be tiresome
[18:43] <Langjan> inetpro, I usually backup the whole profile folder, then all is there. I assume that you can backup the mails and addresses separately?
[18:43] <Kilos> when i came back from OZ i just deleted over 400 without even looking
[18:44] <inetpro> yep, look in the Mail folder
[18:44] <Langjan> So that's why you did not reply to my important question.
[18:44] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:44] <Kilos> sorry
[18:44] <Langjan> Jaja
[18:44] <inetpro> when was this Langjan?
[18:44] <Langjan> When he camee back from Oz
[18:45] <Kilos> i still think i havent caught up the sleep from that 34 hour trip
[18:45] <Langjan> Sorry talking to Kilos ine
[18:45] <inetpro> what!? That long ago?
[18:45] <Kilos> lol
[18:45] <Kilos> he is joking inetpro
[18:45] <Langjan> I'm just pulling his leg
[18:45] <Kilos> he never asks important questions
[18:45] <Langjan> Goway!
[18:45] <Kilos> hahahah
[18:46] <inetpro> ai!
[18:48] <Langjan> OK inetpro  thks for that. I could have solved the prob by backing up the mail folder and reinstalling the app
[18:48] <inetpro> nope
[18:48] <Kilos> lmga
[18:48] <inetpro> reinstalling is not rarely needed
[18:48] <Langjan> oh?
[18:48] <inetpro> I mean is rarely*
[18:48] <Kilos> is rarely needed
[18:49] <Kilos> we nunderstand you just woke up inetpro
[18:49] <inetpro> if you rename the profile folder and start thunderbird it creates a new profile as if you have a new installation
[18:50] <Langjan> Yes, then you copy the old mail folder to the new profile. Comes to the same, methinks.
[18:51] <inetpro> exactly
[18:51] <inetpro> or you start thunderbird with the parameter "--ProfileManager"
[18:51] <Langjan> Ok I get your point, dont reinstall the app just restart it without a profile
[18:52] <inetpro> and then you create a new profile
[18:52] <inetpro> see options on the cli with "thunderbird --help"
[18:52] <Langjan> How to restart with parameter "--ProfileManager" ?
[18:53] <inetpro> but you don't need that now
[18:53] <inetpro> #JustSaying
[18:54] <Langjan> no, just for future ref
[18:54] <inetpro> google is your friend
[18:54] <inetpro> if you want more info on that
[18:55] <Langjan> Ok thks
[18:55] <inetpro> --safe-mode is also very useful
[18:55] <Kilos> lmga
[18:55] <Kilos> at least google is someones friend
[18:56] <Langjan> did you tell a joke inetpro ?
[18:56] <Kilos> yes man
[18:56] <Kilos> he always says google is my friend
[18:56]  * inetpro too old to remeber any joke
[18:57] <inetpro> remember as well
[18:57] <Kilos> but when i try get fixes with google he ends up fixing the fixes that dont work and mess something else up
[18:57] <Langjan> referring to the chuckle after --safe mode is useful
[18:57] <inetpro> Langjan: I know :-)
[18:58] <inetpro> just teasing
[18:58] <Langjan> He's a step behind as usual, the old man!
[18:58] <Kilos> actually its been a while since i needed much help
[18:59] <Kilos> since just after i started using kde i think and Tbird mail
[18:59] <Langjan> You've been speeling all the while, no wonder
[18:59] <Langjan> sleeping
[18:59] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:59] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe the Vit C has helped improving your memory?
[18:59] <Kilos> no man nothing breaks anymore
[18:59] <inetpro> brain cells also growing back?
[18:59] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:00] <Langjan> Mine also does not break when I dont use it
[19:00] <inetpro> haha
[19:00] <Kilos> lmga
[19:00] <Kilos> stop it
[19:00] <Kilos> you making me laugh me awake and its near bedtime
[19:01] <Langjan> See what I mean by not using the thing
[19:01] <Kilos> lol
[19:01] <Langjan> Jy moet lekker rus my vriend
[19:01] <Kilos> ek doen, dankie baie
[19:02] <Kilos> never slept so much in my whole life
[19:02] <Langjan> Bye inetpro and thks for the tip, as usual
[19:02] <Kilos> he is actually a handy guy to have around Langjan
[19:02] <inetpro> anytime, nag oom
[19:02] <Langjan> Very
[19:03] <Kilos> been my saviour many times
[19:03] <Langjan> Dankie inetpro
[19:03] <inetpro> uh
[19:03] <Kilos> ok guys ty for being there
[19:03] <inetpro> good night Kilos
[19:03] <Kilos> sleep tight and stay safe and well
[19:03] <Langjan> G'night Kilos
[19:04] <Langjan> and inetpro


[01:27] <Sarvatt> Amaranth: any idea if gles compiz is going into precise?
[20:16] <bryceh> lp #933104
[22:42] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: whoa didn't notice you did that, thanks for putting 295.20 in x-updates


[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[10:23] <dholbach> czajkowski: are you in touch with Daniel Dolinov?
[10:24] <dholbach> czajkowski: I have a bunch of mails I didn't answer yet and not sure where things stand there :)
[10:24] <czajkowski> I'm waiting to hear back from him in fact
[10:24] <dholbach> ah nice :)
[10:24] <czajkowski> he;s on my to email today list
[10:24]  * dholbach hugs czajkowski
[10:25] <czajkowski> I chatted with him and Paolo over 2 weeks ago re marketing the ngo interviews and a possible webinar
[10:25] <czajkowski> also this channel is now logged
[10:25] <czajkowski> :)
[10:25] <czajkowski> so if folks aren't in here
[10:25] <dholbach> progress! :)
[10:25] <czajkowski> but they can see conversations
[10:25] <czajkowski> slowly but surely :)
[10:43] <czajkowski> dholbach: I was gonna update the bp, but saw it was done so just mailed the gobby doc out to the mailing list in case folks hadn't seen it
[10:45] <dholbach> czajkowski: good thinking - it was good to get it on the ml
[10:49] <czajkowski> just wanted to keep everyone in the loop and I know the gobby doc is there, just folks may not think of going and getting it
[10:52]  * dholbach hugs czajkowski
[10:52]  * czajkowski grins
[10:52] <czajkowski> you are the king of hugs my dear
[10:56] <dholbach> :-)
[11:07] <AlanBell> is it good practice to put a link to the logs in the /topic?
[11:07] <AlanBell> although the topic is a bit link-heavy :-)
[11:08] <czajkowski> AlanBell: some channels do others don't
[11:08] <czajkowski> I don't mind
[11:08] <czajkowski> :)
[11:08] <AlanBell> I kind of like it in the -uk topic
[11:09] <czajkowski> yes, but yer a noisey bunch
[11:09] <AlanBell> true
[11:10] <AlanBell> not quiet and refined like our friends to the west :-)
[11:13] <dholbach> we could put all the links in the header of the NGO wiki page
[11:15] <czajkowski> oh nice idea
[11:15] <AlanBell> I am not that bothered either way to be honest, I was just curious about the IRC etiquette of it. I am a bit of a newcommer to IRC
[11:16] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I only got the channel logged in the last week or so
[11:16] <czajkowski> just so folks could read if stuff happens in here and don't run screen sessions or don't use irc
[11:16] <AlanBell> logging is a good idea
[12:57] <czajkowski> AlanBell: what was that payroll software you mentioned that ran on linux ?
[12:58] <AlanBell> payroll is a tricky one
[12:58] <AlanBell> I use gnucash and payroll is a bit manual and a bit casual
[12:59] <AlanBell> there is a plan to add a payroll module to openerp
[12:59] <czajkowski> AlanBell: oculd you put this on the wiki somewhere?
[12:59] <czajkowski> /NGO/resouces/Payroll?
[12:59] <czajkowski> save me asking and I'm sure others would be interested?
[12:59] <AlanBell> most people of a certain size outsource their payroll and just treat the payroll supplier as a regular supplier that bills them 12 invoices per year
[13:00] <czajkowski> but for contractors adn small companies..
[13:00] <AlanBell> well what I do is transfer money from the company account to my account
[13:01] <AlanBell> my accountant gives me 12 payslips at the start of each year
[13:01] <AlanBell> and it just goes in gnucash as a transaction and I set up an account like a cost code for each of us
[13:02] <AlanBell> what is NGO about it?
[13:02] <AlanBell> I would have thought that the smaller NGOs would be staffed by volunteers and would not run payroll
[13:03] <AlanBell> and do all the national insurance stuff that goes with it
[13:03] <AlanBell> just pay expenses
[13:03] <czajkowski> nope all use a form of a payroll
[13:03] <czajkowski> plus I was also interested as read about it elsewhere and looking for an oss solution
[13:04] <czajkowski> AlanBell: is that the same as quickbooks?
[13:04] <AlanBell> I believe gnucash and quickbooks are in the same ballpark
[13:05] <AlanBell> but I have never seen quickbooks
[13:06] <AlanBell> and google gears has broken my firefox so I can't even look it up :-(
[13:06] <czajkowski> hmm
[13:06] <czajkowski> ok
[13:14] <AlanBell> ok, fixed. Quickbooks would appear to be somewhat similar to gnucash
[13:44] <czajkowski> nods
[14:02] <mhall119|work> from what little quickbooks exposure I've had, gnucash seems very similar
[14:04] <czajkowski> aye
[15:41] <AlanBell> I am happy to do something about accountancy and payroll and suchlike, but I don't know how I would put an NGO spin on it
[15:42] <czajkowski> AlanBell: well just from an oss slant
[15:42] <czajkowski> on the wiki page
[15:42] <czajkowski> so we can reference it
[15:43] <AlanBell> that I can do, I will have a think about it and do something
[15:43] <AlanBell> possibly over christmas
[15:47] <czajkowski> okie dokie
[20:28] <czajkowski> so I'm working on paper Jams for the NGO
[20:28] <czajkowski> basically something that;s bigger than a paper cut
[20:28] <czajkowski> like a typo, or naming conventions
[20:28] <czajkowski> that are across teams
[20:28] <czajkowski> so documentaion
[20:29] <czajkowski> translations
[20:29] <czajkowski> working with the design team on this
[20:29] <czajkowski> and I've to chose one of the interviews to be used as a test case


[12:12] <mlankhorst> [  257.180023] Bluetooth: st_register failed -22
[12:12] <mlankhorst> bluetooth on pandaboard broken? :(
[12:47] <Mimiko> Hello, can someone help me in cross-compiling?
[13:03] <mlankhorst> Mimiko: unless you get more specific all the information is on the wiki
[13:05] <Mimiko> ive tried to compile transmission in ubuntu for mips devices (tomatousb), but ive get it compiled for ubuntu.
[13:05] <Mimiko> How to compile it for mips?
[13:06] <mlankhorst> I'm pretty sure mips is not arm..
[13:06] <Mimiko> yes but basic steps i think is the same
[13:08] <mlankhorst> unless I'm mistaken you want to compile something for tomato usb on ubuntu, which would have nothing to do with ubuntu on arm, so you're in the wrong channel and really should ask the tomato equivalent
[13:10] <Mimiko> mlankhorst, maybe so. I am searching on lot of channels for help or tips where to search more.
[13:10] <mlankhorst> you should be checking google instead..
[13:11] <Mimiko> i've searched in google before coming to chanels, but i've got no success yet
[17:07] <angs> I am using ubuntu-desktop (12.04) on beagleboar-xm. when I click on "Dash Home" it shows an empty list, whatever I type, it always shows "sorry, there is nothing that matches your search". what could be the reason to see such output?


[03:37] <Sorell> hey guy I have a question about cloud controllers
[03:37] <Sorell> I have a controller with 2 NICs
[03:37] <Sorell> one goes to the net and the other goes to the nodes
[03:38] <Sorell> I can't seem to get the one going to the nodes to issue IP addresses
[03:38] <Sorell> and it does not show up in my if config
[03:39] <Sorell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/395431/
[03:39] <Sorell> that's my setup
[03:40] <lifeless> are you forwarding DHCP?
[03:42] <Sorell> I don't think so
[03:42] <Sorell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/395432/
[03:42] <Sorell> that's the whole file
[03:42] <Sorell> Do I need to forward DHCP
[03:42] <Sorell> ?
[03:43] <Sorell> I want the nodes on the inside to not touch the outside would.
[03:46] <pschulz01> Greetings.. down anyone know if there is as ppa for an updated version of 'resolveconf'. I am experienceing issues relating to bug #448095
[03:50] <pschulz01> sorry.. that should 'resolvconf'
[03:58] <twb> Is that because resolvconf isn't upstartized yet?
[04:38] <axisys> how do I enable syslogd to receive logs from remote host? i want my linsys router to send logs to my ubuntu server
[04:39] <axisys> syslogd -r -u syslog should do it .. so modify the init ?
[04:41] <axisys> got it
[04:41] <axisys> /etc/default/syslogd with a -r
[07:51] <GheRivero> morning everyone
[08:54] <Jeeves_> Hi all
[08:54] <Jeeves_> Does anyone know if there is a nice way to automatically delete iscsi disks in Ubuntu?
[08:54] <Jeeves_> I can echo 1 > /sys/block/sdx/device/delete and than iscsiadm -m node --rescan, but that's not very nice when you have multiple machines
[10:18] <Noble> Is the apache2.conf secure by default? If not, what changes should I do? I use only PHP(mysql) and HTML.
[10:18] <twb> Noble: define "secure".
[10:19] <twb> IMO if you're running *any* PHP or MySQL, you're probably already horribly insecure.
[10:19] <twb> Which is to say that while, with diligence, you can write secure PHP code, most people don't.
[10:19] <Noble> About the apache2.conf now..
[10:20] <Noble> Is there anything I should add or remove from the default file?
[10:20] <Noble> I have removed serverSignature and servertokens
[10:21] <twb> Security through obscurity isn't a particularly clever move.
[10:24] <andol> Noble: One thing I like to do is add an explicit <Directory "/">...</Directory>, including Options None, AllowOverride None, Deny all, etc. That way I will explicity add Directory permissions later.
[10:27] <andol> Noble: Of course, the included httpd.conf is probably a better place to add your own global configuration.
[10:33] <Noble> andol: Thanks for the tips.
[12:43] <zul> morning
[12:44] <_ruben> g'day
[12:46] <eagles05138785> hey guys im having some issues trying to start x ovr ssh
[12:47] <_ruben> define "start x over ssh"
[12:49] <eagles05138785> im using xming to get an x environment running on windows yet i keep getting an error about the user not being in the X group
[12:49] <eagles05138785> thing is when i look at the groups file in /etc there is no X group hence it wont start
[12:50] <_ruben> well, ubuntu *server* doesnt have a *desktop*
[12:50] <persia> There wouldn't be an "X" group even if it did.
[12:50] <persia> But it certainly doesn't export xdmcp
[12:52] <eagles05138785> _ruben: i have installed the basic kde packages instead of using the metapackage im slowly building a desktop environment from the ground up
[12:55] <persia> eagles05138785: Assuming you have xterm available on your server, are you able to run that with X11 forwarding?
[12:55] <eagles05138785> persia: im sshed into the server
[12:55] <eagles05138785> as i dont have a 2nd monitor
[12:55] <persia> OK.  What happens if you run xterm?
[12:57] <eagles05138785> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0
[12:58] <persia> OK.  There's almost certainly something wrong with your xserver (xming).  Go make sure that works, and then try again.
[12:58] <persia> It may be that your ssh client isn't passing the right credentials to your X server, or similar.
[12:58] <eagles05138785> could it be a firewall issue
[12:58] <eagles05138785> windows firewall im talking about here
[12:59] <persia> Potentially, yes.  Check those logs.
[12:59] <eagles05138785> will get back to ya time to check the logs
[13:12] <eagles05138785> persia: nothign is showing up in the logs
[13:12] <eagles05138785> on windows at least checking logs on server
[13:14] <persia> I put a file in /etc/cron.d/ and expected entries there to be treated like those in /etc/crontab , but nothing seems to run.  Should this work?  If so, any suggestions on troubleshooting?
[13:16] <_ruben> persia: iirc, the syntax is the same between those versions
[13:16] <_ruben> troubleshooting cron is a bitch in my experience though
[13:17] <persia> Ineed.  As far as I can tell, the jobs just don't get triggered at all.
[13:18] <_ruben> it sounds familiar, but dont recall any fixes or anything :(
[13:19] <persia> :/
[13:19] <eagles05138785> sry to but in but would it help trying to run cron through gdb
[13:20] <persia> eagles05138785: Not really, because 1) it's not crashing, and 2) it's a system service.
[13:20] <eagles05138785> ok
[13:20] <persia> I suppose I could strace over a trigger boundary, but that's also painful in terms of volume.
[13:24] <smoser> good morning all
[13:24] <smoser> good morning us/eastern
[13:25] <zul> what about canada/eastern? ;)
[13:25] <Ninjix> smoser: good morning
[13:28] <soren> Wow. Painful morning. I haven't been able to get onto IRC until just now.
[13:30] <persia> soren: Just pretend you're in Texas, and then you can claim it's early yet :)
[13:30] <soren> persia: ..but then I'll have to stay up late, too :(
[13:31]  * persia doesn't have a good silver lining for that one
[13:33] <hggdh> well, it *is* early here in Texas!

[13:34] <smoser> kirkland, ping
[13:38] <huntsville> persia, execute permission by chance?  ;)
[13:38] <twb> It's always weird to think of TX as having anything technological (like TI or U. Austin).    I'll know for sure in a couple hours.
[13:41] <twb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup%C3%A9_utility
[13:41] <persia> twb: Two thngs about TX: lots of space to do stuff, and a fair amount of local silicon available in handy forms.
[13:42] <twb> I run into math guys from U. Austin all the time
[13:44] <huntsville> persia, let's hope so.
[13:50] <Sorell> Is there something special that I have to do to a a region to elasticfox?
[13:51] <Sorell> I click on the add tab and nothing happens
[14:05] <zul> persia: i though you were talking about boobs for a minute
[14:08] <persia> zul: I defer any interpretation of my descriptions of the virtues of TX to the corners of your mind, without needing explicit feedback :)
[14:09] <kirkland> smoser: pong
[14:09] <smoser> was hoping to get some time on your cloud today
[14:09] <twb> "Gytha, is there anything you can't make sound dirty?"
[14:22]  * Ng hrms at ocfs2-tools putting its startup scripts in rcS. Surely that's way too early?
[14:24] <twb> Ng: depends what it does
[14:24] <Ng> twb: well I can imagine that that's ideal for people running ocfs on local storage, but if your storage is remote then it's way too early
[14:25] <Ng> (at least, that's what I found when I was playing with a SAN accessed via FC)
[14:25] <twb> Does ubuntu use insserv yet?
[14:25] <Ng> I would assume not, since we're moving away from stupid init.d scripts to smart upstart configurations :)
[14:26] <twb> From the lack of pere and the NIH'd upstart, I'm guessing not.
[14:32] <persia> twb: the inserv package is available, for stuff still in init.d scripts : you may want to check to see how well it works.
[14:35] <twb> I was asking because if it was the default (as is the case for Debian 6), it ought to automagically be ordered after $remote-fs
[14:36] <twb> For my own gear, I only run Ubuntu on servers and other people's desktops, so I don't care if it takes an extra five minutes to boot
[14:44] <jaco> Hey Guys, I want to to the following on my Debian 5 box: set it up with a gsm modem so it'll send me an sms whenever the internet connection drops. Any ideas?
[14:45] <smoser> kirkland, ^^%
[14:45] <persia> twb: For the desktop case, I know that it's being agressively manually profiled (see http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/ ), for the server case, insserv might be interesting, but likely only for less-common services.
[14:46] <twb> I thought bootchart was totally fucked by the upstart transition
[14:46] <twb> Probably that was fixed two years ago and I didn't notice
[14:46] <jaco> Hey Guys, I want to to the following on my Debian 5 box: set it up with a gsm modem so it'll send me an sms whenever the internet connection drops. Any ideas?
[14:46] <persia> I think it was more like 21 months ago, but yeah.
[14:47] <twb> Or maybe it was just fixed on Ubuntu but not Debian
[14:47] <twb> That rings a bell
[14:47] <twb> jaco: that's really a question for #debian (on OFTC).
[14:47] <persia> #debian works here also
[14:47] <persia> (different folks, but same purpose)
[14:50] <twb> Ew, scott isn't providing svgz's for those clever bastards with browsers that support them.
[14:54] <persia> I suspect rather that bootchart isn't producing them.
[14:54] <persia> But complain to scott
[14:55] <twb> bootchart produces a tarball
[14:55] <twb> There's then java crapware that emits png/svgz
[14:56] <kirkland> smoser: would you like it freshly installed?
[14:56] <kirkland> smoser: it's a mess right now
[14:56] <smoser> fresh is fine, yeah.
[14:57] <smoser> kirkland, i should probably reinstall my 2 system one too, would you suggest from daily iso ?
[14:57] <smoser> or do you think i have a chance at upgrade from alpha3
[14:57] <kirkland> smoser: probably daily, buti i haven't tried today's
[14:57] <smoser> ok. thats fine.
[15:00] <kirkland> smoser: installing ...
[15:04] <wack479> For some reason the sites that run php on my web server stopped working, and i am receiving this error in my syslog http://paste.pocoo.org/show/189879/
[15:05] <twb> In Lucid, I need casper to be in rcS, but *not* be in rc0.  "update-rc.d casper disable 0" doesn't DTRT.   It's not morning anymore. That was many hours ago.
[15:37] <eagles05138785> morning hey guys im having some issues getting x working on ubuntu server. when i try to start x i keep getting this error http://pastebin.com/YeRT8v2h anyone have any idea what im doing wrong. i have to forwarded using xming to allow x to be loaded but it gives me the error that i linked before and no desktop loads
[15:37] <yann2> Hello
[15:37] <yann2> I am trying to find what software Ubuntu recommends to do unions of directories
[15:37] <yann2> unionfs? aufs? Other?
[15:37] <soren> eagles05138785: Try in #ubuntu. X problems are unrelated to ubuntu server.
[15:37] <yann2> from what I read ubuntu doesn't seem to like any of those :)
[15:37] <soren> yann2: Depends on the version of ubuntu.
[15:37] <yann2> lucid
[15:38] <jiboumans> soren: http://xkcd.com/448/ is applicable here
[15:38] <eagles05138785> soren: ok
[15:38] <yann2> I read about a VFS implementation that was supposed to be ready for karmic, but wasnt, not sure if it is now, couldnt find anything about that
[15:38] <soren> yann2: I forget what the verdict was. There was talk of moving to union mounts, but I think we ended up sticking with aufs. "Think" being the operative word.
[15:39] <soren> "union mounts" "a VFS implementation"
[15:39] <soren> Err..
[15:39] <soren> "union mounts" == "a VFS implementation"
[15:39] <MTecknology> how can you use a 'find -exec' in a bash loop?
[15:39] <yann2> do you know where I could find out about this, if it is ready or not?
[15:40] <twb> http://bugs.debian.org/573189 covers aufs and union mounts.
[15:40] <soren> MTecknology: What do you want to do, exactly?
[15:40] <MTecknology> soren: just got it, I needed to use ;; at the end - because the find -exec needs ; at the end
[15:41] <yann2> so right now, virtualfs not ready and only solution is aufs which is a dirty hack? is aufs sure enough to be used on critical data?
[15:42] <wack479> anyone home?
[15:42] <yann2> I guess I'll wait for lucid+1 :)
[15:43] <persia> yann2: aufs is the basis of the Ubuntu live environment.
[15:43] <yann2> persia, I know, but a live environment doesnt really need something ultra stable, plus there have been talks of removing aufs support from ubuntu as well I think
[15:43] <persia> yann2: I've never encountered issues using it, but I've only ever used it for short-lived stuff (days, at most).
[15:43] <wack479> for some reason my server has "stopped running php" when i go to my site it just downloads a file that inside says this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/189881/ <--anyone seen it b4?
[15:44] <persia> yann2: For what purpose do you want a persitent overlay filesystem?
[15:44] <yann2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1430303
[15:45] <twb> persia: here, one application is change management -- an easy way to rollback a broken upgrade (as long as normal users are kicked off before you start).
[15:45] <persia> yann2: You don't need a real overlay for that.  Just use a fuse hack to trap file-not-found and look in the NFS mount.
[15:46] <persia> twb: That's short-lived, typically.
[15:46] <twb> Yes.
[15:46] <twb> Another idea I had for my netbook was to roll a squashfs root filesystem once a month or so, and store changes in the cow.
[15:47] <yann2> persia, I did thought about autofs, if that s what you're referring to. But I need the index to display all folders
[15:47] <yann2> unions seemed more sensible
[15:47] <twb> Since it's compressed with LZMA1, it ought to reduce my root filesystem from about 1GiB to about 400MiB.
[15:47] <twb> But live-helper's still way to flaky for me to trust it with something that complicated -- and in any case I now have btrfs -o compress.
[15:48] <persia> twb: Something like that was done for the hardy Ubuntu MID release.  It ended up being not as good idea as it first seemed.
[15:48] <twb> persia: the key difference being that I'm smart enough to be able to reroll bmonthly
[15:48] <twb> I guess if you were tracking a stable release, it'd be less of an issue
[15:49] <persia> yann2: Actually, I wasn't talking about autofs, but rather some 15-line Fuse.pm script you could probably write.
[15:50] <yann2> persia, would the "project" folders actually display the list of all projects? ie appear as an union?
[15:50] <persia> twb: OK.  Give it a shot.  Take care for version skew in libraries.  Always re-roll when you update the initramfs.  Mount a separate /boot.
[15:50] <twb> persia: like I said, it doesn't matter now I migrated from ext2 on 4GiB to btrfs on 64GiB.
[15:50] <yann2> auto_fs with BROWSE_MODE could do I think, but I would end up with several hundreds NFS mounts, a bit scared by thart
[15:50] <twb> The OS is no longer consuming a third of my space
[15:51] <persia> yann2: Sure.  Basically, you'd check if a file was in the fast tree, and if it was, serve it.  If not, you'd pattern-match the path to specify an alternate location, and if it's there, serve it.  Try 3-5 locations befoe returning file-not-found
[15:52] <yann2> persia, but that would work if the user knew what folders he needs "projects/THAM38" for example. But if he wants to go to "projects/"  and just see what's in there, I dont understand how it would work
[15:52] <yann2> else what you re saying seems very close to autofs :)
[15:53] <persia> yann2: You'd get listings from all the directories, and cat them together.
[15:54] <yann2> you got any documentation for that?
[15:54] <yann2> its too bad, unionfs seems to be exactly what I'm after, just it doesnt sound stable
[15:55] <persia> yann2: e.g. http://podgorny.cz/moin/UnionFsFuse
[15:55] <persia> yann2: You don't want overlay filesystems: those don't typically store entire files anywhere in particular, which is inherently messy.  You just want concatenation.
[15:55] <yann2> persia, yes I did try that one out... does it work well?
[15:56] <yann2> ... maybe :P
[15:56] <persia> no idea.  the description seemed to macth mine above, and it seems to do a merged hierarchy, rather than a lower-level overlay.
[15:56] <yann2> what would happen if a user created a new folder in that virtual folder?
[15:58] <persia> http://olfs.sourceforge.net/ appears to be another one.
[15:59] <persia> If it's not configurable, it ought be.  make it so, or grab Fuse.pm and write some match script.
[16:08] <MTecknology> Can I use usermod to remove a a user from a group?
[16:10] <MTecknology> or do I need to edit /etc/group manually for that?
[16:14] <hggdh> the server install does not install PHP when we task-select LAMP. Is this a space issue (on the CD)?
[16:24] <wack479> for some reason my server has "stopped running php" when i go to my site it just downloads a file that inside says this :http://paste.pocoo.org/show/189881/ <---anyone seen it b4?
[16:25] <wack479> anyone?
[16:31] <sherr> wack479: something changed - did you change it? The problem will be in the server setup somewhere. Eiher you changed something, or a recent update? No idea myself. That link is just some PHP that should run.
[16:53] <asmarin> on ubuntu server karmic amd-64 in certains conditions says mysql-server-5.1 and mysql-core-5.1 are old and unecesary and i can delete with apt-get autoremove....is it a bug?
[17:01] <echa> hi, i'm trying to install ubuntu-server 9.10 on a network which requires me to change my MAC first
[17:01] <echa> i thought i could do this from busybox in the installer console, but ifconfig isn't available
[17:02] <echa> any suggestions on how i can achieve this?
[17:28] <LinuxAdmin> Hi guys
[17:29] <LinuxAdmin> I'm trying to install ubuntu-vm-builder but I'm getting problems with apt-get command
[17:30] <LinuxAdmin> I  get this error:
[17:31] <LinuxAdmin> It was not possible to get some archives, try to run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing
[17:31] <LinuxAdmin> I've run apt-get update already
[17:31] <LinuxAdmin> any ideia?
[17:32] <LinuxAdmin> My ubuntu server is 9.10
[17:33] <LinuxAdmin> can someone help  me?
[17:43] <NoReflex> hey guys! I'm having some problems with upstart ik karmic server 64bit. It won't start postgresql. I tried http://superuser.com/questions/98702/how-to-make-postgresql-start-at-boot-time-in-ubuntu but it didn't work. can I remove upstart? I'm afraid to test it because the machine is at a remote location and if I mess it up I won't be able to connect to it anymore.
[17:44] <brontosaurusrex>  is webdav tied to actual system users, or are those some apache virtual users?
[17:45] <brontosaurusrex> or do i have a choice?
[17:49] <philthno2> Hi, I installed the dektop-Ubuntu but don't want GDM to start. What's the best way to achive this? I find the /etc/gdm.conf but is it ok just to uncomment the "start on" and "stop on" - lines?
[17:50] <LinuxAdmin> I don't remember to see #ubuntu-server channel so stopped
[17:50] <LinuxAdmin> no one helping?
[17:51] <NoReflex> philthno2: try startx and then sudo gdmsetup - that should allow you to configure how ubuntu starts
[17:52] <philthno2> NoReflex: Thank you for the hint! I tried to get rid of gdm but no alsa seems to have some problems. I'll try my luck
[17:56] <NoReflex> philthno2: yw
[18:01] <philthno2> can someone tell me if the server version also contains alsa and that stuff? I mean -- can I install it and play a sound out-of-the-box?
[18:04] <NoReflex> philthno2: I don't think the server version comes with alsa ....but ubuntu-desktop installs it as a dependency
[18:09] <vegar_> I'm having a lot of problems installing ubuntu server from usb. The installer runs, but it's having problems with the packages on the usb  stick. Is is possible to force it to only use a network mirror?
[18:09] <warmexxus> hey everyone its been a long time since I've been on IRC... I thought it would be easier than endlessly searching the net for an answer... very simple... i have a lack of understanding of the overall picture.. what's happening is I am running a basic Ubuntu Server 9.10 (karmic?) and I intended to use PuTTY to remote control the operations. From my windows box I can login in but after about 3 minutes the connection drops
[18:11] <jMCg> warmexxus: idle time, I suppose...
[18:11] <jMCg> I've not seen that kind of behaviour in Linux yet, but who knows..
[18:11] <pmatulis> warmexxus: going through a firewall/router?
[18:11] <jMCg> warmexxus: in PuTTY you can set a Keep-alive package...
[18:11] <warmexxus> it's gotta be something very simple...
[18:11] <warmexxus> a linksys router...
[18:12] <pmatulis> warmexxus: any filtering on it?
[18:12] <warmexxus> the two are on the local network..
[18:12] <warmexxus> i looked but I didn't filter any ports explicitly... in fact I forwarded outside requests to the server... on port 22
[18:12] <warmexxus> so if anything the ports are open
[18:13] <pmatulis> warmexxus: try connecting the 2 machines directly and testing.  is that possible?
[18:13] <warmexxus> im intending to make it headless and keeping it hidden in a closet... keep the baddies away.. haha
[18:14] <jMCg> warmexxus: In the Connection Category, there's Seconds between keepalives
[18:14] <pmatulis> warmexxus: you can also run the ssh daemon in the foreground and watch for any suspicious error messages.  or run it as a daemon with higher log level
[18:14] <warmexxus> not really... I'm not totally new to *nix but it's been a while and I just set it up last week
[18:14] <warmexxus> right the keep alives
[18:15] <warmexxus> the service is set to use keep alives and when i change PuTTY to use the keep alives the connection never happens.
[18:15] <warmexxus> let me try again... I'll keep messing with it...
[18:15] <NoReflex> hello! I'm having some problems with upstart ik karmic server 64bit. It won't start postgresql. I tried http://superuser.com/questions/98702/how-to-make-postgresql-start-at-boot-time-in-ubuntu but it didn't work. can I remove upstart? I'm afraid to test it because the machine is at a remote location and if I mess it up I won't be able to connect to it anymore.
[18:15] <jMCg> warmexxus: if you want (or have) to keep administrating the system, you better familiarize yourself with it... </2cents>
[18:15] <warmexxus> one thing that I need clarification on is the RSA keeyws
[18:16] <warmexxus> yeah are correct... it's more like OJT/hobby
[18:16] <warmexxus> i've been reading and reading... and reading... just it's getting cumbersome when I can't discover something simple like a timed out connection using PuTTY...
[18:17] <warmexxus> there are tons of results on google... I've read 50% of them...
[18:17] <jMCg> Bummer.
[18:17] <pmatulis> NoReflex: get an strace of your starting method
[18:17] <warmexxus> I wonder if it's the authentication type / config
[18:18] <pmatulis> warmexxus: if you're authenticated you're authenticated.  it's something else
[18:18] <NoReflex> pmatulis: I can start it manually from init.d but it won't start by itself at boot ... there are links in /etc/rc*.d......
[18:18] <jMCg> warmexxus: Timeouts generally happen for the same reasons... I think pmatulis and moa already named them -- and no, it's NOT about the config.. Unless there is a new pam_fuckupconnection.so I don't know anything about.
[18:18] <dharrison> hello room
[18:19] <warmexxus> alright I'll take that and run with it... believe it or not you have helped. :) Thank you kindly
[18:19] <jMCg> warmexxus: you're very welcome.
[18:19] <jMCg> Also: 19:15 <+DrBacchus> Where did people pick up the notion that running an internet daemon was something that should be trivial?
[18:19] <warmexxus> true
[18:19] <dharrison> hi I have some networking issues with ubuntu. it will not ping certain ip addresses
[18:20] <NoReflex> dharrison: what do you mean by certain IP addresses?
[18:20] <dharrison> external ones
[18:20] <dharrison> we have a monitoring system in place that pings certain ips
[18:20] <NoReflex> dharrison: well maybe your router / gateway blocks ICMP
[18:20] <dharrison> but it wont ping a certain ip address
[18:21] <dharrison> other servers on the network are ok
[18:21] <jMCg> dharrison: maybe the system doesn't want to be pinged.
[18:21] <dharrison> lol i know the feeling
[18:21] <NoReflex> dharrison: try mtr YOUR_IP_ADDRESS
[18:21] <dharrison> mtr?
[18:21] <NoReflex> mtr TARGET_IP_ADDRESS
[18:21] <NoReflex> my traceroute
[18:22] <dharrison> has come up blank??
[18:23] <dharrison> works on others
[18:23] <NoReflex> dharrison: so you have more machines inside your LAN? the other machines can ping certain IP address but your ubuntu server can't?
[18:24] <dharrison> correct
[18:24] <NoReflex> dharrison: do you have ufw, iptables set up on ubuntu_server?
[18:25] <dharrison> ufw is off
[18:25] <NoReflex> what does sudo iptables-save return?
[18:26] <dharrison> # Generated by iptables-save v<IP_ADDRESS> on Mon Mar 15 18:25:54 2010
[18:26] <dharrison> *filter
[18:26] <dharrison> :INPUT ACCEPT [16058:1400749]
[18:26] <dharrison> :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]
[18:26] <dharrison> :OUTPUT ACCEPT [16256:1169307]
[18:26] <dharrison> COMMIT
[18:26] <NoReflex> dharrison: try yo use pastebin next time... so it seems that iptables is set to allow all
[18:27] <NoReflex> does ubuntu_server have the same gateway as the other machines?
[18:28] <dharrison> yup
[18:28] <NoReflex> can you ping the other computers on your LAN from your ubuntu_server machine?
[18:30] <dharrison> yes no worries at all
[18:30] <NoReflex> pmatulis: I also tried to enable bootlogd but it didn't help ... I can seem to be able to figure out why postgresql won't start at boot. I was thinking about removing upstart - that should install other packages to take upstart's place
[18:31] <pmatulis> NoReflex: i wouldn't do that
[18:31] <pmatulis> NoReflex: not sure what bootlogd is
[18:32] <NoReflex> dharrison: do you manage your router / gateway? perhaps it only allows some IP addresses or MAC to reach the internet. Can you "reach the Internet" at all from ubuntu_server: for example curl http://google.de
[18:33] <dharrison> i can yes no problems
[18:33] <NoReflex> pmatulis: bootlogd should log boot messages to /var/log/boot - but it does not seem to work with upstart
[18:33] <pmatulis> NoReflex: well i gave you 2 things to try
[18:33] <pmatulis> NoReflex: sorry, that was the ssh problem
[18:34] <NoReflex> pmatulis: np
[18:34] <NoReflex> I don't think the strace method would help because I can start it manually with /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.4 after I login
[18:34] <pmatulis> NoReflex: ok
[18:35] <NoReflex> dharrison: what does traceroute google.de
[18:35] <NoReflex> give
[18:35] <pmatulis> NoReflex: a few days ago someone was having the same trouble with mysql
[18:38] <pmatulis> NoReflex: what LOCALE are you using?  sometimes that gummies things up
[18:39] <NoReflex> pmatulis: i think my location is setup to Germany ... how can I check?
[18:39] <pmatulis> NoReflex: hmm, interesting
[18:43] <NoReflex> pmatulis: locale gives LANG=en_US.UTF-8 - and the rest of the vars are set to en_US.UTF-8 as well, except LC_ALL which is empty
[18:45] <MTecknology> can I make an entry in my hosts file that's something like    <IP_ADDRESS>  *dev* *kalliki* *profarius*
[18:46] <MTecknology> so any request that has any of those will go back to localhost
[18:46] <NoReflex> MTecknology: I don't think you can use wildcards in /etc/hosts
[18:47] <MTecknology> NoReflex: that sucks
[18:48] <NoReflex> MTecknology: well I don't think it's that hard to create separate lines for each host you need
[18:48] <pmatulis> NoReflex: i'm sorry, i can't find the resource i was looking for, there was a mysql bug on starting and locales
[18:48] <pmatulis> NoReflex: might help you with postgresql
[18:48] <NoReflex> pmatulis: np; thx for trying :)
[18:48] <vegar_> Tasksel includes the entry "Basic ubuntu server", what does this task install?
[18:49] <MTecknology> NoReflex: problem is there's a whole lot of them and there's new ones added every day
[18:51] <NoReflex> MTecknology: can you tell us why do you need to map so many names to your own machine? do you need it for apache virtualhosts?
[18:53] <vegar_> is there a general way to see which packages a tasksel entry installs?
[18:53] <MTecknology> NoReflex: nginx
[18:54] <MTecknology> NoReflex: the sites complain if they can't refer back to themselves
[18:59] <NoReflex> MTecknology: haven't used nginx ... but I guess you could make a cron job which checks which sites have been set up in nginx and updates the /etc/hosts file accordingly
[19:04] <nico__> hello
[19:05] <nico__> I've just installed 2 PCs with ubuntu enterprise cloud, but I'm unable to make instances running
[19:06] <nico__> running euca-describe-instances, I can see the instances pending and after they terminate
[19:08] <nico__> the image is emi-E22310BC (the standard ubuntu 9.10 karmic image)
[19:08] <nico__> is anyone here running uec properly?
[19:09] <MTecknology> NoReflex: wouldn't work - nginx only knows where to send traffic - i handle all of that other junk through php
[19:09] <MTecknology> NoReflex: i'll figure it out though - thanks
[19:10] <NoReflex> MTecknology: yw and good luck
[19:10] <hggdh> would bug 442498 be looked at for Lucid?
[19:13] <aouldr78> hello everyone
[19:14] <aouldr78> i need help about pinging my computer
[19:15] <aouldr78> i am not able of reaching my computer through my IP address
[19:15] <aouldr78> what could be the problem
[19:15] <nico__> aouldr78: IP changed?
[19:16] <aouldr78> no it id the same
[19:16] <aouldr78> it is the same
[19:16] <aouldr78> i do not have firewalls just a modem that is it
[19:17] <GhostFreeman> I'm running Ubuntu Server in a VM. I'd like to be able to make the terminal window larger than it is right now, is that possible?
[19:18] <aouldr78> if you are running Ubunto in Vbox, all you need is adding the Vbox extras and the terminal will be larger
[19:19] <GhostFreeman> doesn't that require X?
[19:19] <GhostFreeman> I'd like to avoid using X unless I really have to
[19:21] <veebull> I don't know if its the only way, but the only way that I've found thus far to get a bigger console window into a server running in Vbox is to ssh in via PuTTY... and then re-size your PuTTY window.
[19:21] <GhostFreeman> that certainly would be the fastest way
[19:21] <nico__> anyone here uses ubuntu uec??
[19:22] <nico__> my images instances die just after being created...
[19:22] <veebull> I've managed (finally) to be able to run my VMs completely headless (in Windows) so once they are installed, I just ssh in...
[19:24] <GhostFreeman> How do you set VBox to run a VM as headless?
[19:26] <veebull> you have to run it from the command line, and have to download a dos app to allow it to detach from the console once running
[19:26] <veebull> http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28901
[19:26] <jaypur> hi can someone help me how to install phpsys???
[19:27] <GhostFreeman> thanks veebull
[19:29] <jaypur> lol got it!
[19:35] <zul> RoAkSoAx: your apport hook for vsftpd was upload....nevermind
[19:46] <axisys> i am having weird issue with my ubuntu server.. unless i have a monitor plugged in i dont get a login prompt in serial console
[19:46] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/R6C0K6SV this is how my grub setup
[19:47] <axisys> i followed this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[19:47] <axisys> it is karmic and i am using grub, not grub2
[19:48] <axisys> i did `sudo start ttyS0 ` .. so serial console has the boot message as well as vga console
[19:49] <axisys> any idea why i need to have a monitor plug in to see the login prompt in serial console ?
[20:03] <axisys> another wierd think is also related to display .. if the laptop lid is closed all the way i am not getting any gnome menu bar on the top ..
[20:04] <axisys> let me post this last question to #ubuntu
[20:05] <aouldr78> how can i ping my computer that is on LAN?
[20:06] <aouldr78> i ping <IP_ADDRESS> but i can not reach it .why?
[20:07] <aouldr78> i have a DSL connection
[20:07] <axisys> aouldr78: is it your computer's ip ?
[20:07] <jasonmchristos> hi
[20:08] <aouldr78> yes it is but the default gateway is <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:08] <axisys> ifconfig eth0 shows that ip ?
[20:08] <axisys> aouldr78: ^
[20:08] <aouldr78> it does not make sense to me
[20:08] <aouldr78> yes
[20:08] <axisys> can you post the ifconfig eth0 output in pastebin ?
[20:10] <aouldr78> how can i do that
[20:12] <aouldr78> hi
[20:13] <aouldr78> are you still there
[20:13] <axisys> !pastebin
[20:13] <aouldr78> yes what is that?
[20:13] <axisys> http://pastebin.com
[20:14] <axisys> aouldr78: ^
[20:14] <axisys> aouldr78: ^
[20:16] <aouldr78> do i do ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[20:17] <axisys> aouldr78: ifconfig eth0 shows it `UP' ?
[20:18] <aouldr78> yes i am using the internet right now
[20:18] <aouldr78> i have two connection through LAN but i can not get to ping anyone
[20:19] <aouldr78> they are working fine but i can not connect between them
[20:19] <blue-frog> aouldr78, netstat -rn
[20:19] <aouldr78> the one i an using right now has <IP_ADDRESS> as IP the other one has <IP_ADDRESS> as IP
[20:20] <aouldr78> <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:20] <aouldr78> both are working fine but i can not connect them
[20:22] <larsemil> aouldr78: looks like your routes are messed up.
[20:25] <aouldr78> i am back
[20:25] <aouldr78> can anyone please ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[20:26] <Japje> aouldr78:
[20:26] <Japje> --- <IP_ADDRESS> ping statistics ---
[20:26] <Japje> 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3999ms
[20:27] <Japje> i think its broken
[20:27] <aouldr78> this is my IP and i am using it right now?
[20:27] <Japje> that... or i just tried to ping a host on your internal network.
[20:27] <aouldr78> what could be the problem?
[20:27] <Japje> which ofcourse is unpingable for everybody not on your network
[20:28] <lifeless> <IP_ADDRESS> is a RFC1918 address range, it cannot be pinged from the internet
[20:28] <aouldr78> so how can you reach this host?
[20:28] <Japje> only with the IP that you have from your isp.
[20:29] <Japje> and only if your router is set-up correctly
[20:29] <aouldr78> how can i know the ip from my ISP
[20:30] <aouldr78> i thought i just need to do ifconfig to find my ip for my computer
[20:30] <Japje> http://www.whatismyip.com/
[20:30] <Japje> well if you have a router, that gets the IP
[20:35] <aouldr78> i am still not able to ping my computer
[20:39] <aouldr78> my computer is connected to a modem that connect to ISP telephone
[20:39] <aouldr78> that is it
[20:39] <aouldr78> i am trying to remote connect to my computer
[20:47] <sherr> aouldr78: It is quite hard to do support over IRC sometimes, even with "pastebin" support
[20:47] <sherr> aouldr78: Your questions are very basic unix networking
[20:47] <sherr> very basic
[20:48] <sherr> You 2 IP's are <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[20:48] <sherr> Then without a router you cannot ping between them - they are on different networks
[20:48] <sherr> Make your 2 computers on the same network (subnet) e.g.
[20:48] <sherr> <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:49] <sherr> or <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:49] <sherr> i.e.
[20:49] <sherr> 192.168.1.X --> X = different for both systems
[20:49] <sherr> Do some linux/unix network research/reading, set the PC's on the same network and try a ping.
[20:50] <sherr> Try the Ubuntu Forums if you get stuck.
[20:54] <kirkland> hggdh: i just merged/pushed your testdrive config changes, thanks!
[20:54] <kirkland> hggdh: i had to make one minor change, initializing hasOptions = false
[20:54] <kirkland> hggdh: other than that, looks good
[20:55] <kirkland> hggdh: to your other question, about IMG and ISO cache, i'm not opposed to adding a configuration change for that;  write up the patch, put it in a branch, link against a bug
[20:55] <kirkland> hggdh: i won't use it, but i'm not opposed to it ;-)
[20:55] <hggdh> kirkland: thank you. I also just found I had forgotten to init hasOptions
[20:56] <kirkland> hggdh: i also found that -d and --desktop have different behavior, somehow
[20:56] <kirkland> hggdh: do you see the bug immediately, before i dig deeper?
[20:56] <hggdh> kirkland: will check it
[20:57] <hggdh> kirkland: I am also considering factoring KVM and vBox to allow for more control over VM parameters
[20:57] <kirkland> hggdh: yeah;  keep in mind that testdrive was originally written for KVM, and vbox/parallels/vmware are bolt-on's after the fact
[20:58] <NoReflex> hello! I'm having some problems with upstart ik karmic server 64bit. It won't start postgresql. I tried http://superuser.com/questions/98702/how-to-make-postgresql-start-at-boot-time-in-ubuntu but it didn't work. can I remove upstart? I'm afraid to test it because the machine is at a remote location and if I mess it up I won't be able to connect to it anymore.
[20:58] <hggdh> kirkland: heh. I do not why, but I also had this feeling ;-)
[20:59] <sherr> NoReflex: upstart is so fundamental a part of Ubuntu now that I would *not* remove it.
[20:59] <kirkland> hggdh: it greatly increases the complexity of testdrive, but opens doors as to *who* can testdrive Ubuntu
[20:59] <kirkland> hggdh: so i bolted it own :-)
[20:59] <sherr> NoReflex: You might have big problems - and you are a distance away from the server ..
[21:00] <NoReflex> sherr: I don't know what else to try...I can't reinstall since the machine is over 500 Miles away
[21:00] <hggdh> kirkland: on the -d and --desktop -- what is the difference (so that I will not have to run both to find out)
[21:00] <sherr> NoReflex: No idea on the problem - but if all else fails, there's always /etc/rc.local
[21:01] <sherr> Put a "start postgresql" in the /etc/rc.local script
[21:01] <sherr> Search web for rc.local usage - it's just a script that gets run every boot
[21:01] <NoReflex> sherr: I searched for a way to log what's happening during boot ... the older init package had a bootlogd program that would log to /var/log/boot those messages .... but bootlogd doesn't work with upstart
[21:01] <kirkland> hggdh: --desktop prompts the "do you want to run usb-creator", -d does not for some reason
[21:02] <sherr> NoReflex: postgres stuff should be visible in syslog I'd expect
[21:03] <NoReflex> sherr: rc.local would be a solution but that would not shutdown the postgresql server gracefully when the machine is rebooted I think
[21:04] <NoReflex> sherr: I can't find it in syslog, also there's nothing about why it isn;t started in the pg_log dir
[21:04] <hggdh> kirkland: weird. Will look at it
[21:05] <hggdh> kirkland: both -d and --desktop should set opt.desktop to True
[21:05] <sherr> NoReflex: On reboot/shutdown, postgres will be sent a "kill" and should shut itself down gradefully. I wouldn't worry too much about that.
[21:05] <kirkland> hggdh: agreed, i don't see the bug yet
[21:05] <NoReflex> sherr: will try, thxx
[21:05] <wack479> sherr!!!!!!
[21:05] <sherr> NoReflex: can you start/stop/restart manually?
[21:06] <sherr> hey wack479
[21:06] <hggdh> kirkland: BTW, on why I am doing this: I like the idea of an ad-hoc tester for ISOs using VMs, and I would like to make it simple for
[21:06] <NoReflex> sherr: yes...start/stop/status/restart all work when I do /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.4 "action"
[21:07] <hggdh> kirkland: ad-hoc testers to run it (so different configurations for different tests, like no network, no USB, etc)
[21:07] <wack479> lol hey
[21:07] <wack479> does mysql question anyone?
[21:07] <wack479> lol i cant type
[21:07] <wack479> could someone answer a mysql question?
[21:07] <NoReflex> sherr: I tried the solution posted here: http://superuser.com/questions/98702/how-to-make-postgresql-start-at-boot-time-in-ubuntu - but it did NOT work
[21:08] <NoReflex> so I guess the problem comes from upstart...
[21:08] <sherr> You downgraded upstart?
[21:08] <NoReflex> sherr:
[21:08] <NoReflex> yes
[21:09] <NoReflex> however it didn't work so I installed the latest version
[21:09] <wack479> does anyone know how i can block the logging of "robot.txt"?
[21:09] <wack479> in the apache log
[21:10] <NoReflex> Would it be possible to somehow specify which daemons should use the upstart feature and which should use the "init" system?
[21:10] <sherr> Maybe check the forums again then. I am not 100% familiar with upstart - but it's a "service" interface - maybe also check "update-rc.d" ...
[21:11] <sherr> NoReflex: should be a bug logged - check launchpad
[21:11] <blizzkid> Hi all, anyone would like to do a talk about Landscape at LOAD (a linux event in Belgium)?
[21:12] <wack479> does anyone know how i can block the logging of "robot.txt" in the apache log?
[21:14] <blizzkid> jkakar: you here?
[21:18] <kirkland> hggdh: sounds great
[21:18] <kirkland> hggdh: you'll have my support ;-)
[21:23] <mathiaz> hggdh: hy
[21:23] <mathiaz> hggdh: seems that you've updated the samba test case: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerWhole
[21:23] <mathiaz> hggdh: the last point in the testing procedure is: net usersidlist
[21:24] <mathiaz> hggdh: however that doesn't return any user on a default installation
[21:24] <yeason> I've got a postfix smtp server that I think I've enabled TLS on but every time I try using STARTTLS through I get an error from thunderbird stating it doesn't advertise starttls. I've used telnet to connect and checked it and STARTTLS appears in the list of supported services. Can anyone help me out?
[21:24] <yeason> I'm a little unclear on if I have it supporting SSL/TLS or if it actually supports STARTTLS. If someone can answer a couple questions I may be able to figure it out
[21:26] <sherr> yeason: how are you doing a basic check for support?
[21:26] <hggdh> mathiaz: hum
[21:26] <mathiaz> hggdh: IIRC samba doesn't import the local users by default
[21:27] <mathiaz> hggdh: and point 11. doesn't list an UBUNTU domain by default
[21:27] <mathiaz> hggdh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/395830/
[21:27] <mathiaz> hggdh: ^^ this is what I get
[21:27] <hggdh> mathiaz: I will do it again, but I remember running it from a fresh install. I most probably messed up somewhere
[21:28] <hggdh> mathiaz: let me repeat it and find out what I missed to add to the tests
[21:28] <yeason> sherr: I've connected to the server on port 25 and issued the ehlo command. I see STARTTLS in the list. The error I'm getting suggests that the server isn't even advertising it, hence my confusion
[21:28] <mathiaz> hggdh: ok - I'm going to remove 11 and 12 from the test cases for now then
[21:29] <yeason> sherr: I'm currently trying to look up how to test the actual starttls command =)
[21:30] <sherr> yeason: If it advertises TLS, then it is there. Thunderbird's misconfigured.
[21:30] <sherr> This page has some thoughts on testing :
[21:30] <sherr> http://adomas.org/2006/08/postfix-dovecot/
[21:31] <sherr> Using perl and MIME::Base64
[21:31]  * hggdh wonders from which window he copied the samba stuff :-(
[21:32] <yeason> sherr: I think something else is going on, openssl s_client connect address:25 -showcerts -starttls should test starttls right? cause it is also telling me the server doesn't advertise it
[21:37] <sherr> yeason: But you said the server *does* advertise it? ehlo?
[21:38] <sherr> Maybe it is advertised but not configured properly
[21:39] <yeason> sherr: yea... although I think I might be closer to figuring out the issue... I think it's something with my laptop. I'm running 7 and had to try telnet from another computer. I just tried putty and the starttls line shows up as 250 - BXXXXXXXX
[21:45] <lunaphyte> yeason: you can use s_client to test smtp/starttls
[21:46] <lunaphyte> as a side note, you really should not be using port 25 for submission.
[21:46] <yeason> lunaphyte: what should I be using...?
[21:46] <lunaphyte> the submission protocol - port 587.
[21:46] <yeason> lunaphyte: I tried s_client and it was also stating that the server was not advertising it
[21:47] <yeason> lunaphyte: interesting... I'll have to look into it, I basically followed one of the many guides out there on how to setup postfix
[21:47] <yeason> and it didn't mention that at all
[21:47] <lunaphyte> if what you paste above is literally what is appearing, then you can thank the p.o.s cisco equipment somewhere along the way for molesting the smtp conversation.
[21:48] <lunaphyte> i hate tutorials.
[21:48] <lunaphyte> they're usually written by people who shouldn't be writing them, it seems.
[21:49] <lunaphyte> they're ok if you're not a beginner, which is the unfortunate irony.
[21:50] <lunaphyte> anyway, masked strings like that traditionally mean that there is a cisco firewall in between the client and server with it's "fixup" protocol turned on.
[21:51] <yeason> lunaphyte: I've heard that before... and it was what I suspected this time but doubted it for complicated reasons... gogo weird network
[21:51] <yeason> lunaphyte: so how hard is it to modify an existing postfix setup to use port 587
[21:52] <yeason> lunaphyte: I'm a bit confused on how it's supposed to work
[21:53] <lunaphyte> well, a big part of it is uncommenting the submission entry in master.cf.  there are other steps too though.
[21:54] <yeason> ok... I've got to go soon, do you know of a guide/article that talks about how to set it up?
[21:56] <lunaphyte> well, we like to see people using the docs provided by the software's author.
[21:56] <yeason> lol... obviously, but those don't always explain how it works, well thanks for the info I'll look into that
[21:56] <lunaphyte> other stuff is, well, not really endorsed by me.
[22:07] <jkakar> blizzkid: Hello.
[22:09] <blizzkid> jkakar: can I pm you for a sec?
[22:09] <blizzkid> regarding an event
[22:11] <jkakar> blizzkid: Sure...?
[22:14] <eTiger13> how can i do multiple OR arguments in an if statement? ie if [ $member:f =='this' || $member:f == 'that' ]
[22:23] <hggdh> mathiaz: I just installed a brand new server (i386) with SAMBA. When I ran 'sudo net usersidlist' I *do* get output
[22:32] <jaypur> can you advice me some good apps for ubuntu server???
[22:32] <jaypur> like monitoring apps..
[22:32] <ruben23> can i setup my email server and web server to host bot email and web site hosting service for a company...would it be ok- xeon dual core 2.4Ghz, 4Gb ram ddr2, 250 GB
[22:32] <ruben23> nagios
[22:32] <ruben23> munin
[22:32] <ruben23> and cacti
[22:33] <jaypur> hmmm thanks
[22:33] <jaypur> i'm using phpsys
[22:34] <ruben23> can i setup my email server and web server to host bot email and web site hosting service for a company...would it be ok- xeon dual core 2.4Ghz, 4Gb ram ddr2, 250 GB
[22:34] <jaypur> ruben23, i dont know much, but... why wouldn't??
[22:35] <ruben23>  jaypur: just worried having 2 apps, for a single server..
[22:36] <jaypur> ruben23, what applications my friend?
[22:36] <ruben23> email apps and web server..
[22:36] <ruben23> handles my company email and host my company website
[22:37] <jaypur> ruben23, you can do that...
[22:37] <jaypur> i just set the apache here... and i'm looking foward to have a ftp, and web mail
[22:37] <jaypur> :)
[22:38] <ruben23> ok, im worried when traffic increase..would my server can withstand it..
[22:38] <jaypur> for that i think you should look about your connection
[22:38] <jaypur> is it gonna be home made?
[22:40] <ruben23>  jaypur:nup i got dedicated line for it..
[22:40] <ruben23> is you apache hosting a website now..?
[22:40] <jaypur> ruben23, yes!
[22:40] <jaypur> ruben23, and a counter-strike server
[22:41] <jaypur> ruben23, http://tuxserver.no-ip.org/
[22:41] <ruben23> jaypur: how did you setup it..? the webserver is using public IP right..?
[22:41] <jaypur> ruben23, it's using an ip and i set the no ip to redirect it
[22:41] <jaypur> ruben23, set the apache
[22:41] <ruben23> ok that IP si public right..?
[22:42] <ruben23> do you have ugide how did you do it..?
[22:42] <ruben23> ill plan to setup it..can you guide ma and help me on it..
[22:42] <jaypur> man
[22:42] <jaypur> i think it's the public ip
[22:42] <jaypur> almost sure
[22:42] <jaypur> because... if it wouldn't ppl wouldn't connect to it...
[22:43] <jaypur> pay attention to the port of apache that is 80...
[22:43] <ruben23> ok
[22:43] <jaypur> ruben23, aand it's easy man... if i could, why wouldn't you :D
[22:43] <ruben23> did you have guides on doing it..?
[22:43] <jaypur> ruben23, you can find some good tutorials about it...
[22:44] <ruben23> it would be my first time to setup it.
[22:44] <jaypur> ruben23, tell me what to you wanna do... apache,... and host wat else
[22:44] <jaypur> ruben23, i have a website that is on brazilian portuguese
[22:44] <jaypur> it will install
[22:44] <jaypur> apache2, php5, mysql
[22:44] <jaypur> and i can help you to set phpsys, that i just have installed this afternoon :)
[22:45] <jaypur> and install ssh too :)
[22:45] <jaypur> for remote control :D
[22:45] <ruben23>  jaypur:do you have any IM account, can i add you up please.
[22:46] <jaypur> no i havent but i can create one
[22:46] <jaypur> do you have any gmail or msn acc.?
[22:46] <ruben23> i have gtalk-
[22:47] <jaypur> ruben23<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:47] <jaypur> :)
[22:47] <ruben23> its-<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:47] <ruben23> ill add you now
[22:47] <jaypur> i'll connect here
[22:48] <jaypur> i'm not always at gtalk... but when i'm on line i'm always here on irc
[22:52] <mathiaz> hggdh: what kind of output do you get?
[22:55] <GhostFreeman> In using byobu, is there any way I can rename what each window is?
[23:06] <hggdh> mathiaz: a list of users, like http://pastebin.com/fPmhbha4
[23:07] <mathiaz> hggdh: is this after a package install?
[23:07] <mathiaz> hggdh: or an install from iso when the samba server task selected?
[23:07] <mathiaz> hggdh: is the XANGO domain already existing in the network?
[23:07] <hggdh> mathiaz: no, it was not existing
[23:08] <hggdh> mathiaz: this is an install from ISO with SAMBA selected in the tasksel
[23:08] <mathiaz> hggdh: so where did the XANGO name come from?
[23:08] <hggdh> mathiaz: this is what I gave as a hostname
[23:10] <hggdh> mathiaz: I am reinstalling, now with amd64
[23:17] <mathiaz> kirkland: does the option of encrypting directories show up in the desktop install now?
[23:18] <jayvee> mathiaz: in Ubiquity, there's an option for that
[23:18] <jayvee> it's the 3rd option after "Log in automatically", and "Require password to log in"
[23:18] <jayvee> worded something like "Require password to log in and decrypt my home directory"
[23:18] <mathiaz> jayvee: great - thanks
[23:19] <jayvee> it's in 9.10
[23:22] <mathiaz> kirkland: so how about removing the encrypted directory question from the -server installer?
[23:28] <hggdh> mathiaz: net usersidlist & etc still work fine after an install
[23:29] <v0lksman> anyone know of a good how to to compile openssh5 on hardy?  I have no choice at this point...scared to miss a lib or something though
[23:29] <hggdh> mathiaz: are we talking about the same thing (i.e. install from ISO; select SAMBA, check it works)
[23:29] <mathiaz> hggdh: right - are you logging into the system via the console?
[23:30] <hggdh> mathiaz: yes, I am
[23:31] <mathiaz> hggdh: right - I've installed a new system from ISO and saw the same behaviour as yours when I logged through the console
[23:31] <mathiaz> hggdh: however my first tests were done by logging via ssh into the system
[23:31] <hggdh> mathiaz: ah. This is interesting
[23:31] <mathiaz> hggdh: just after typing the password you can see a message (from the pam stack?) that says:Added user XXXX.
[23:32] <hggdh> mathiaz: yep. There we got added to the directory
[23:32] <mathiaz> hggdh: I'm going to redo another install and only login via ssh
[23:33] <hggdh> mathiaz: this is not really kosher, if it does not happen via SSH
[23:33] <mathiaz> hggdh: right - we may have ran into a bug
[23:33] <mathiaz> hggdh: well - actually no
[23:33] <mathiaz> hggdh: it makes sense
[23:33] <mathiaz> hggdh: I login via ssh using public key
[23:33] <hggdh> mathiaz: why?
[23:34] <mathiaz> hggdh: to import the user into the samba database you need to enter the password
[23:34] <mathiaz> hggdh: which doesn't happen on a public key login
[23:34] <hggdh> mathiaz: heh. Makes sense. Now, this should be documented somewhere
[23:35] <hggdh> mathiaz: sheer curiosity: how can you ssh via public key on a brand-new server?
[23:35] <mathiaz> hggdh: :) - I'm using preseeds to automate my installations
[23:35] <hggdh> heh
[23:36] <mathiaz> hggdh: the late_command in my preseeds stick my public key on the installed system
[23:36]  * hggdh was wondering about the chicken and egg issue
[23:36] <hggdh> mathiaz: then this is not a problem form the casual tester from the wiki
[23:37] <mathiaz> hggdh: yeah - I'm going to update the test case then
[23:37] <hggdh> I can do it, if you are busy
[23:39] <hggdh> kirkland: I cannot repeat the -d / --desktop issue on testdrive
[23:41] <mathiaz> hggdh: wiki page updated
[23:41] <rZr> xmpp please !
[23:43] <RoAkSoAx> zul, the information of the syslog for the apport hooks should be attached only if the user accepts it, or it should always be attached?
[23:44] <hggdh> mathiaz: thank you
[23:54] <Anthony_Whitford> I'm trying to research Ubuntu's market penetration in Financial Services firms.  Can anybody tell me a financial company running Ubuntu server, or point me to any survey/research that demonstrates that it is popular in this vertical?  I have the Ubuntu Server Survey results for 2009 already, and am aware of Equitec.  Anybody else?
[23:58] <jayvee> v0lksman: why do you want to compile it?
[23:59] <v0lksman> cause hardy comes with a way old version and package managers claim they won't even backport it
[23:59] <jayvee> so? it's not like it has any security issues.
[23:59] <v0lksman> can't chroot


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[20:04] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Forwarded a drop request to you from my Email. Can you do ?
[23:32] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I will look in a bit, Thanks
[23:39] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: :D
[23:51] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I did not receive the email can you pm me the email address and username please?
[23:51] <Wild_Man> And also which list they want removed from
[23:52] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yukkie !  I have now the advisory "Message not delivered" :( .. lemme see what I can do.
[23:56] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I was just about to post that I did not receive it