[00:29] <KillerKiwi2005> Hi, ive found i need to use nvtv to set my overscan for tv out... where is the best place to add this line so it happens at login?
[00:31] <KillerKiwi2005> ?
[00:31] <KillerKiwi2005> anyone?
[00:33] <solarbaby> I'd like to hear the answer to that myself
[00:34] <KillerKiwi2005> lol
[00:34] <solarbaby> If I were running a full Ubuntu Desktop theres a program called Sessions in the start menu and I'd use that.. but since Im not running Ubuntu Desktop I have no idea
[00:36] <DaveMorris> http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session might do the job
[00:36] <DaveMorris> might need installing as well
[00:36] <solarbaby> Thanks Dave
[00:38] <KillerKiwi2005> .... dont think that does it.... i need to run a custom command
[00:40] <solarbaby> Yeah it seems kinda up in the air there..  Im not sure if it just remembers stuff you have already loaded up or not
[00:40] <solarbaby> I wouldn't trust it
[00:41] <KillerKiwi2005> auch a common thing...
[00:41] <KillerKiwi2005> such
[00:42] <KillerKiwi2005> its the last thing i need todo as well :(
[00:42] <DaveMorris> does the command need to be run on login or start up?
[00:42] <DaveMorris> whats the command, and poke superm1 when his back
[00:43] <DaveMorris> I need to goto bed before my g/f its me again
[00:43] <KillerKiwi2005> its just nvtv to set overscan for tv out
[00:44] <KillerKiwi2005> nvtv -t -s Huge
[00:45] <solarbaby> KillerKiwi: this looks like the right place right here /home/solarbaby/.cache/xfce4/desktop# /home/user/.cache/xfce4/desktop/menu-cache--etc-xdg-mythbuntu-xfce4-desktop-menu.xml.rc
[00:46] <KillerKiwi2005> ...
[00:52] <therethinker> Wow, I was slow...
[00:52] <therethinker> I need a second bot to detect when mythbot dies, and recessitates him...
[00:53] <therethinker> thats not a bad idea... but just... stupid
[01:25] <solarbaby> Im currently running in xfce and it is nice and fast, Im considering downloading gnome, but lets say I wanna switch back and forth.. can I do that in a matter of seconds?  would mythtv be effected by switching back and forth?
[01:29] <tgm4883_laptop> well you could if you had different user names
[01:37] <williammanda_> if i install mythtv from synaptic... is it any different from mythbuntu?
[01:41] <tgm4883_laptop> you won't have the artwork
[01:41] <tgm4883_laptop> but the preferred way to install from gutsy is to install mcc
[01:43] <packetgod> I'm very happy with Mythbuntu so far, great stuff.  Got all my systems moved over from mythdora and everything is working well.
[01:45] <packetgod> My frontend is still on the beta, anyone see any reason to upgrade it once the final version is released if all is working well?
[01:46] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[02:11] <williammanda_> ANYONE AWAKE?
[02:12] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[02:12] <williammanda_> where can I get instructions to install mythtv for 7.10
[02:13] <tgm4883_laptop> $guide
[02:13] <mythbot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[02:15] <williammanda_> synaptic mythtv install is different
[02:15] <tgm4883_laptop> oh?
[02:17] <tgm4883_laptop> how so?
[02:20] <williammanda_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy_Backend_Frontend_Desktop
[02:21] <williammanda_> the setup is not the same as the url
[02:22] <williammanda_> i just installed 7.10 and mythtv through synaptic
[02:23] <tgm4883_laptop> well yea
[02:23] <tgm4883_laptop> thats because you can now click and install things
[02:23] <tgm4883_laptop> apt protocol i thing
[02:23] <tgm4883_laptop> think
[02:23] <williammanda_> not the same as the url
[02:24] <tgm4883_laptop> well yea, because you installed mythtv though synaptic, not MCC
[02:24] <tgm4883_laptop> $mcc
[02:24] <mythbot> Mythbuntu Control Centre - a admin panel for MythTV - Created and maintained by the mythbuntu team. http://www.mythbuntu.org/about
[02:25] <tgm4883_laptop> are you telling me that following the guide from start to finish is not possible?
[02:26] <Suggley> if thats the install mythtv on the ubuntu site - i agree i tried it 1000 times - i ended up installin mythbuntu
[02:26] <Suggley> Hi guys - i been looking to find a way to make the music section show like the video section (ie in folders) and havent been able to find a thing - does anythign exist to make it so?
[02:27] <tgm4883_laptop> not sure
[02:27] <tgm4883_laptop> although i would like to know whats wrong with the guide
[02:27] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm not saying it's perfect, but I can't fix it if I don't know whats wrong
[02:28] <Suggley> i am not specificly sure - i am a bit of a linux noob
[02:28] <tgm4883_laptop> thats the point
[02:28] <tgm4883_laptop> where did you go wrong?
[02:28] <tgm4883_laptop> the guide is not for mythtv experts
[02:28] <Suggley> i tried so many times and i got to where to add capture devices - and it wouldnt add a thing
[02:29] <Suggley> it could see teh 2 capture cards (sometimes - other times it renamed them) and i t just wouldnt add them to the list
[02:29] <Suggley> i would be interested to try again on another hdd now i know a little more
[02:29] <Suggley> i think it could have been the fireware - but i only really learnt about it after i installed mythbuntu
[02:30] <KillerKiwi2005> ARGGG nvtv in gutsy segfaults
[02:30] <Suggley> i like the gnome desktop - but now once i log into the gnome desktop in Mythbuntu - and go to play a video - i get no responce from the keyboard
[02:34] <tgm4883_laptop> it may have been the firewire, do you have it working now though?
[02:35] <Suggley> firewire?
[02:35] <Suggley> i just went back to xfce
[02:35] <Suggley> if we are still talkin keyboard inactivity
[02:38] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[02:39] <tgm4883_laptop> you said that the firewire might have been messing up the guide, or did i misunderstand
[02:39] <Suggley> nah misunderstood
[02:39] <Suggley> fireware
[02:39] <Suggley> for the DTV card
[02:40] <KillerKiwi2005> yay it worked....
[02:40] <KillerKiwi2005> which script calls mythfrontend ?
[02:41] <KillerKiwi2005> actully nvtv needs root so I think I need it in the xsession...
[02:43] <gib> How are is on screen color correction supposed to work with Xv controls enabled.  I can bring them up and toggle through the settings, but when I try to adjust the adjustment bars that pop up by using either the forward or back arrows it just changes to color/hue/ect.  -1% in place of the bar.
[02:47] <gib> The adjustment boxes pop up fine with the F key, they just don't adjust--except for volume.
[02:50] <KillerKiwi2005> hmmm /usr/share/myhtbuntu/xsession.sh looks like a good place
[02:51] <solarbaby> packetgod: I love UbuntuMyth is much it exhausts me
[02:52] <gib> Tweaking it could be a full time occupation :)
[02:53] <solarbaby> gib: agreed
[02:53] <gib> So, do on-screen color adjustments work for you guys?
[02:54] <solarbaby> I've never tried them..  sounded like something I didn't want to tweak
[02:54] <gib> Toggling F-Key to bring up different color adjustments, and <- -> to adjust bars?
[02:54] <KillerKiwi2005> ok so how do I add a module option at boot time?
[02:55] <gib> Well, my recordings are coming out too dark.
[02:55] <gib> Is there another way to adjust the recordings?
[02:55] <solarbaby> KillerKiwi: your out of my league pal
[02:55] <KillerKiwi2005> solarbaby: :)
[02:57] <gib> Also, I have another server for other things that's idle much of the time.  What's the best way to go about helping with transcoding, but not doing anything else--neither playing, nor recording, nor storing--not lending it's cpu to help with the transcode job log?
[02:59] <gib> Oh, and are there other kind of filters other than noise and deinterlace filters, such as color-correction filters.  I having found anything like that googling.
[02:59] <gib> Somehow or another, I need to adjust the color of my recordings.
[03:54] <solarbaby> Isn't there supposed to be a new Ubuntu Install coming out soon?
[03:54] <solarbaby> Next week maybe?  just trying to figure when I should get ready to install
[03:55] <tgm4883_laptop> no?
[03:55] <tgm4883_laptop> new Ubuntu Install?
[03:55] <solarbaby> Yeah..  I read something about a New Version in the works, soon?
[03:56] <tgm4883_laptop> well alpha 1 of hardy comes out in november
[03:56] <tgm4883_laptop> nov 29th
[03:56] <solarbaby> Ah November it is
[03:56] <solarbaby> Oh thats like December
[03:56] <solarbaby> hehe
[03:56] <solarbaby> I'll be a whole year older by then
[03:57] <solarbaby> I guess I wont wait that long..  and install what I have now
[03:57] <solarbaby> fix it later
[03:58] <solarbaby> I feel impatient..  I wanting to play around with Gnomb, but Kubuntu is working out so nice on my Myth Server I haven't wanted to mess with it
[03:59] <solarbaby> I suppose I can just use both on the same computer so if thats the case, no big deal..
[04:00] <solarbaby> I have a feeling Myth Servers should always be running a speedy Desktop Envirement
[06:35] <frank_> i have horizontal bars of crap when i watch recordings in gutsy. i have a nvidia fx 5500 card. anybody else see this. it's like slight static in the video
[06:37] <frank_> too tired tonight. good night
[08:17] <Varka> hi
[08:19] <Varka> im trying to access mythweb with my configured username and password but i get "database access denied" all the time. what or where do i have to do additional configuration?
[08:19] <gib> frank_, did you try applying a noise filter?
[08:20] <Varka> im using mythbuntu 7.10 rc and configured it only with its configurationtools and setuproutines by now
[08:22] <gib> I haven't tried mythweb yet, but I assume it wants the backends sqlserver password, not you mybuntu login password.  Is that what you're giving it?
[08:23] <Varka> gib: i gave the same username and pw to both
[08:23] <Varka> gib: maybe i did something wrong configuring those logins, how can change them?
[08:24] <gib> Oh, so you aren't using the autogenerated one, or using mythtv as you sqlserver login?
[08:24] <gib> My guess would be that your regular name is not in the sql server.
[08:25] <gib> You can always run backend setup again.
[08:26] <gib> Or run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common."
[08:26] <Varka> gib: hm, and the mysqldatabaselogin is done in the backend setup?
[08:27] <gib> The backend setup is where it takes the values to use for setting up a sql db.
[08:29] <Varka> gib: the strange thing is, if im using another user/pw combination than the one i configured i get a new empty logindialog but if i use the one i configured i get that "database access denied" page
[08:30] <Varka> gib: could it be that im login in but have not the rights to use mythweb by now?
[08:31] <Varka> gib: You are most likely receiving this message because you
[08:31] <Varka> have failed to configure mythweb's database login info.
[08:31] <Varka> Please see .htaccess for instructions.
[08:33] <gib> Can you access that backend from other workstations using the regular front end interface?
[08:33] <Varka> gib: what would be the URL for the regular frontend?
[08:34] <Varka> gib: sry, now i know what you mean
[08:34] <Varka> gib: well i dont know as i dont have frontends installed on my other workstations by now
[08:35] <gib> The regular front end assesses that backend sql-sever directly, not via the backend webserver, but it will tell you if the problem is with your sql-server login in general, or a problem with the web server accessing the sql-database
[08:36] <Varka> well, using gutsy fresh install here, what would i have to install to have a working frontend to test that?
[08:36] <gib> Just the mythtv frontend package.
[08:37] <Varka> ok, installing..
[08:37] <gib> When you install it just replace localhost with the ip of your backend server and the username with your backend servers sql username, and password.
[08:38] <gib> And make sure you don't have sql-server access firewalled off on the backend.
[08:39] <Varka>  If you are adding this machine to an existing mythtv-network, you will want to update this password to the one in use by the network after completing installation.
[08:40] <Varka> should i change the pw already to the on i gave the backend?
[08:40] <gib> Yes
[08:40] <gib> and the username, and change localhost to the other machines IP
[08:41] <Varka> all that by running: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common    right?
[08:42] <gib> That's one way.
[08:42] <Varka> lol, it says, mythtv-common ist not installed oO
[08:43] <gib> You can also go into util/setup general and change it.
[08:44] <gib> Did you launch myth front end?
[08:44] <Varka> not yet, i have to relogin, brb
[08:44] <gib> If so, just go into setup/general and make the changes there.
[08:47] <gib> You installed mythtv-frontend and it didn't automatically pull mythtv-common in as a dep?
[08:47] <Varka> gib: well it did, but the dpkg-reconfigure command says its not installed
[08:48] <Varka> i started the frontend for testing an was prompted to fill in the login and host, did it but could not connect to my backend
[08:48] <gib> Oh.  Just run mythtv-frontend, go to util/setup -> general and make the changes there.
[08:49] <Varka> so i think the problem lies still at the backend
[08:49] <gib> Seem like the username your using really wasn't added as a sql-server user.
[08:49] <gib> you're
[08:50] <Varka> ok, now, what command to use to configure that at the backend again please?
[08:51] <gib> Just run the backend setup program
[08:51] <Varka> gib: did that already, 3 times, and changed user and pw, but no success
[08:52] <gib> Why not try sticking with the defaults then.
[08:53] <gib> If you use mythtv you won't have to wonder if it got added right.
[08:53] <gib> and use the default password too.
[08:54] <Varka> first i dont know the defaults, second im sure i changed them, third the backend is exposed to the www
[08:55] <gib> It says it generates the password randomly, but it doesn't say if you change it it will change it on the backend, only that if you already have another server you want to access you should use it's password.
[08:56] <Varka> sure, sure, but what use would the randomly on the frontend of another workstation generated pw have accessing my backend on the server
[08:56] <gib> I assume you don't have to use port 80, nor have the port you choose open to the Internet.
[08:58] <Varka> well, im pretty sure now, that username and pw are correct, at backend and frontend. at least for the mythweb, but it seems the problem lies beneath
[08:58] <gib> I think just entering a different password into front-end setup doesn't change you pw in sql server.
[08:59] <gib> It's asking you what it IS, not what you'd like to change it too.
[08:59] <gib> to
[09:00] <Varka> sure it doesnt, but i changed the pw with the settings-gui form mythbuntu again and now also a Xth time with sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythweb
[09:01] <Varka> on the backend
[09:01] <gib> Then again, I'm sleepy, and no expert in this area.  I'm just pretty sure that it would be a whole lot easier to go with the default and verify that everything is working, and then change them later if you like.
[09:02] <Varka> maybe, but thats too late, as i changed the defaults already...
[09:02] <Varka> but thank you anyway for your patience
[09:03] <gib> The default password is randomly generated, so I'm not sure why it would be less secure they one you choose yourself.
[09:04] <Varka> the installationprocedure of mythbuntu doesnt tell me anything about a randomly generated pw, how could i know
[09:04] <gib> That's OK.  I'm sure there are a lot of people more qualified to help you out, but I seem to be the only one up at the moment.  :)
[09:04] <gib> Good luck.
[09:04] <Varka> in fact it forces me to type in a personal logindata
[09:05] <Varka> yeah, well, its saturday morning .. ;)
[09:05] <gib> Are you running a webserver for other than internal use?
[09:06] <Varka> not yet, but i want to
[09:06] <gib> You have a static IP?
[09:06] <Varka> no
[09:07] <Varka> but theres dyndns and stuff
[09:07] <gib> Yeah.
[09:08] <gib> Your upload speed is probably way low though.
[09:08] <gib> What kind of connection do you have?
[09:08] <Varka> well, i had a gallery running on that server for about 5 month and want to set it back up when mythtv runs properl
[09:08] <Varka> +y
[09:08] <Varka> 16mbit down 1mbit up
[09:09] <gib> Wow, that 's good.  It's cable?
[09:09] <Varka> dsl2+
[09:09] <gib> What do you pay a month for that?
[09:10] <Varka> with phoneflat and lower mobile call prices 49,- euro per month
[09:10] <gib> Sounds like a great deal.  What country?
[09:11] <Varka> well, there are cheaper ones, but less reliable and with p2p-ports shaped
[09:11] <Varka> germany
[09:11] <Varka> and you?
[09:12] <gib> US
[09:12] <Varka> and there are no cheaper providers in the us? cant believe that
[09:13] <gib> The dollars been dropping like a rock.  Good thing I moved money into euro-based bonds.
[09:14] <Varka> in fact i heard that there are regions where you get your highspeed internet with you flat or house at a time for almost nothing
[09:14] <gib> Well, monopoly and no-regulation are the names of the game here now, so consumers get screwed.
[09:14] <Varka> so aol is the monopolist?
[09:15] <gib> Well, most people have cable tv, but you pretty much are stuck with the cable provider who services your area, so they just keep jacking up the price.
[09:15] <Varka> and phonebased internet?
[09:16] <Varka> not available? to slow? to expensive?
[09:16] <Varka> too
[09:16] <gib> You can get dsl, but I don't think tv over the phone is too common, so you still have to deal with that.
[09:17] <Varka> hm, sad
[09:17] <Varka> for about 70 euro you can get 25mbit here in most bigger towns
[09:17] <gib> If you get PO'd at your cable provider you have to get sat tv.
[09:18] <gib> The dollar is dropping so fast against the euro that American won't be able to afford to travel to europe.
[09:18] <Varka> well, i prefer sat-tv as you have now additional costs per month and more channels and the signal bandwith is much higher with 4 to 8 mbit compared to 2 mbit on cable as it is here
[09:19] <Varka> now=no
[09:19] <gib> We have a raving lunitic borrowing money like mad from China to flush down the Iraq toliet.
[09:19] <gib> It's little wonder the dollar is dropping.
[09:20] <Varka> hehe, i wont continue the discussion in that direction as i would take ages to tell you what i think about us politics ^^
[09:20] <gib> It'd pretty f'd up, that's for sure.
[09:21] <gib> I guess being from Germany, you know a thing or two about fascism.  The so-called neo-cons is charge are pretty much neo-fascists.
[09:23] <Varka> sure, but germans are the one to be blamed all the time, as if we are the only ones that killed other people to get more land, money, slaves or whatever in the past...
[09:23] <Varka> no word about the black people, the native americans...
[09:24] <Varka> and the are opressing them on to the present day
[09:25] <Varka> but we are the bad ones for eternity
[09:25] <gib> Well, GW's Grandpa was a nazi.  No one ever talks about that.  There are about 30% of people in every country that are just strongly drawn to authoritrianism, it's certainly not unique to Germany.
[09:26] <gib> The US is one of the most right-wing countries in the world at this time.
[09:26] <Varka> thats right, in fact, a lot of nacism went to other countrys as the second ww ended
[09:26] <gib> Or at least the current "leadership."
[09:27] <gib> He wasn't a nazi proper, but a good bubby trading partner sympathizer.
[09:28] <gib> And his family are still strong believers in athoritarianism.
[09:29] <Varka> as the majority of them is, and thats the more dangerous group as they are intelligent and not only blind followers that want to take part in a strong group
[09:29] <tritium> Please stay on topic.
[09:29] <Varka> but i have to quit conversation now, as i really want to get my mythbuntu working
[09:29] <gib> Well, GW is a dipshit, but not the ones pulling his strings.
[09:29] <Varka> tritium: yeah sry
[09:30] <tritium> thanks, Varka :)
[09:30] <Varka> tritium: maybe you can help me setting up my mythweb?
[09:30] <tritium> Varka: perhaps.  I've set it up on feisty.  What's up?
[09:31] <tritium> (and edgy)
[09:31] <Varka> tritium: well im running mythbuntu 7.10 rc, by now i set it up using only the nomal setuproutines and frontends. now i want to connect to the mythweb gui to edit my channels
[09:32] <Varka> tritium: i used username and pw all the same at every point the setup asked me to fill in any
[09:32] <tritium> I'm not sure how mythbuntu goes about setting it up.  I've always installed the mythweb package manually.
[09:32] <Varka> tritium: it does
[09:32] <gib> Goodnight, and good luck.  I should have gone to bed a long time ago.
[09:33] <Varka> tritium: trying to access mythweb with http://localhost/mythweb or remotely from another host i get "database access denied" if i fill in the username and pw i configured
[09:33] <Varka> tritium: but if i fill in another one i get another empty login dialog
[09:34] <Varka> so i think the username and pw for mythweb is right but i dont have the right to access the database with it
[09:34] <Varka> any ideas?
[09:34] <tritium> Varka: not sure what mythbuntu is doing there.  I had to restrict access, as it was open to the world after installing the package.
[09:34] <Varka> i did "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythweb" already and reentered the username and pw
[09:35] <Varka> tritium: where could i have a look now? what could be restricted?
[09:35] <Varka> tritium: i think its the mysql-database beneath that doesnt let me connect
[09:36] <tritium> Varka: not sure.  I've not tried mythbuntu yet.  I'm waiting for it to be released.
[09:36] <Varka> tritium: but it uses the same backendprograms like you installed manually
[09:36] <tritium> Varka: I had to create a .htdigest file to restrict access.
[09:36] <tritium> Varka: yes, but it's setting up access differently
[09:37] <Varka> tritium: where do i find that file if it exists? and if it doesnt, what other file could restrict access?
[09:37] <tritium> Varka: it doesn't exist.  I had to create it in /var/www/mythweb
[09:37] <Varka> let me see if it exists on my setup
[09:38] <tritium> Varka: also, check your /var/www/mythweb/.htaccess (symlink to /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess)
[09:39] <Varka> yes, there is no .htdigest but the .htaccess and .htaccess.dist
[09:40] <tritium> Varka: correct.  I created the .htdigest
[09:43] <Varka> tritium: ok, there was another randonly generated login in the .htaccess. i filled in the one i gave mythbuntu while installing it. restarting now. maybe thats all
[09:43] <tritium> Varka: hopefully so
[09:44] <Varka> no, no success
[09:44] <tritium> Not sure, then.
[09:45] <Varka> could it be something with the userrights or so?
[09:47] <tritium> Don't know.
[10:03] <Varka> ok
[10:03] <Varka> i make a cleaninstall now
[10:04] <Varka> tritium: are you there for a while to ask you if problems occur?
[10:04] <tritium> Varka: I'm sorry.  It's 3 a.m. here.  I need to go to bed.
[10:04] <Varka> oh, sry, its 11at here ;)
[10:04] <Varka> am
[10:04] <tritium> Good luck :)
[10:05] <Varka> tritium: so sleep well and good night
[10:05] <Varka> thx
[10:05] <tritium> Have a good day!
[11:15] <KillerKiwi2005> I used mythbuntu control centre but i cant access via vnc / or through a myth frontend......
[11:16] <KillerKiwi2005> also mythweb does "MasterServerIP or MasterServerPort not found! You mayneed to check your settings.php file or re-run mythtv-setup"
[11:37] <stevetv> hi there.  can i ask what is an appropriate way to rename video files?  i don't want to jsut rename them via a terminal... as im guessing it'll break my database???
[11:37] <DaveMorris> stevetv: not that I know off
[11:38] <stevetv> not that you know of an appropriate way to rename files, or not that you know of will break a database :P?
[11:51] <Varka> heureka, my mythbuntu rocks 8)
[14:05] <MythbuntuGuest18> anyone there?
[14:05] <MythbuntuGuest18> need help gettin my kde back
[14:08] <MythbuntuGuest80> quiet in here ...
[14:17] <MythbuntuGuest80> hi there?
[14:34] <MythbuntuGuest80> mist hier
[15:08] <Varka> hi MythbuntuGuest80
[15:10] <Daviey> He's on a blog roll this week...
[15:15] <Daviey> hmm.. wrong channel - doh
[15:31] <therethinker> $mythbot
[15:44] <Varka> i cant change keybindings neither from within the frontend nor from mythweb. well i can change them, and they remain changed in the menu but in fact the dont change at the keyboard
[15:44] <Varka> any suggestions?
[16:05] <w00tzilla> Hi.  Does anyone know if an ATI 7500 All in Wonder card is supported?
[16:06] <tgm4883> w00tzilla, supported for capture, playback or both?
[16:33] <williammanda_> hey guys
[16:34] <williammanda_> I can't get mythbuntu to work.....it will install but the control center will not come up
[16:34] <tgm4883> williammanda_, 64-bit?
[16:34] <williammanda_> yes
[16:34] <tgm4883> yep
[16:34] <tgm4883> sec
[16:35] <tgm4883> theres a minor bug in it for 64-bit, i'm not sure if the fix has been pushed to updates yet, but it is in the ppa, and you can download the deb too
[16:36] <tgm4883> sec, let me get the link
[16:37] <tgm4883> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3565709&postcount=2
[16:37] <williammanda_> I went back and uninstalled mythbuntu...and installed mythtv through synapic....
[16:37] <tgm4883> well the only issue that the bug affects is the opening of MCC
[16:38] <tgm4883> and it's only if the medibuntu repo isn't in your sources.list
[16:38] <zerodamage> Can anyone tell me if the ATI 7500 AIW cards are supported in any way?
[16:38] <williammanda_> and I am having a problem getting past the mythtv-setup....i get the 3 blue screens...then it kicks me out to the desktop
[16:39] <tgm4883> zerodamage/w00tzilla, does it work in gutsy?  Are you trying to capture?
[16:39] <tgm4883> williammanda_, error messages?
[16:40] <williammanda_> i will need to do it in terminal
[16:40] <zerodamage> tgm4883:  The card's basic 3d and what not are detected since compiz-fusion worked out of the box.  I am not finding a way to enable tv capture.   I installed mythbuntu after the fact without any issues.
[16:43] <tgm4883> zerodamage, looks like you can only watch live TV, but no recording.  This is as of march this year
[16:44] <tgm4883> err may
[16:45] <tgm4883> zerodamage, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_All-in-Wonder_HowTo_(English)   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2358169
[16:45] <tgm4883> i'm not sure if any progress has been made in gutsy
[16:45] <zerodamage> tgm4883:  I am new to mythtv; how do I go about watching tv?  I do not see anything that says "watch tv" or anything similar to that.
[16:45] <tgm4883> or if it's any better due to the better ati drivers
[16:46] <tgm4883> zerodamage, see both links i provided you
[16:48] <zerodamage> thx, that's all I needed to know.  I will hit up bestbuy later for a pvr 150
[16:48] <stoth> hey folks
[16:48] <tgm4883> zerodamage, good call, great card
[16:49] <tgm4883> $ask
[16:49] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[16:49] <stoth> I'm a linuxtv dev, who's only recently tried to bring up mythtv on a spare box. I have some issues with the guide/channel association. Is anyone free to discuss?
[16:50] <zerodamage> the pvr 150 is hardware encoding right?  my system here isn't a dual core beast which is common place these days. lol
[16:50] <tgm4883> yes
[16:50] <zerodamage> cool.  thx fellas.  peace
[16:50] <tgm4883> stoth, i have a little bit
[16:50] <tgm4883> then it's release party time :)
[16:51] <stoth> tgm4883: Thanks. I'm running it in the US with  QAM source. All the channels are channel (and are playing), and I've downloaded a guide from datadirect. But the guide shows 'Unknown' for all guide content..... Kinda like I need to associate my digital QAM channels to the specific DD schedule channels.
[16:52] <tgm4883> you mean SchedulesDirect?
[16:52] <stoth> y
[16:52] <tgm4883> did you scan for channels, or download them from SD?
[16:52] <stoth> scan
[16:52] <tgm4883> what tuner
[16:52] <stoth> new tuner... but for discussion sake assume a dvico QAM fusion 3.
[16:53] <tgm4883> k
[16:53] <stoth> all channels play correctly.
[16:53] <stoth> but the guide downloads, but doesn;t seem to be 'connected' internally to the channels.
[16:53] <tgm4883> so the channels play right, they just dont have the data?
[16:53] <stoth> y
[16:53] <tgm4883> k
[16:53] <tgm4883> couple things it could be
[16:54] <stoth> I expected to see a channel mapping screen in mythtv-setup, but I don't see anything obvious that connects local digital channel X to schedulesdirect channel X.
[16:54] <tgm4883> 1)  the wrong lineup was selected in SD
[16:54] <tgm4883> 2)  Digital channels aren't being broadcast with the correct info
[16:55] <tgm4883> theres a way to fix this, but it's not exactly fun if you have lots of channels
[16:55] <stoth> 1 is correct, 2 - possible, I would not expect SD to understand the proprietary digital format - hence I assumed I can manually map them.
[16:55] <stoth> tgm4883: I'm all ears.
[16:55] <tgm4883> k
[16:55] <tgm4883> it's a pita, but you only have to do it once, you also will need a keyboard
[16:56] <stoth> k
[16:56] <tgm4883> you'll have to manually enter the channelid for each channel
[16:56] <tgm4883> this is done in mythweb
[16:56] <stoth> ok. Is that the native web service built into the app? or an addon?
[16:57] <tgm4883> it's built into mythweb, which i believe is installed by default with the backend
[16:57] <tgm4883> you have to click on the key&wrench at the top
[16:57] <tgm4883> then mythtv channel info
[16:57] <stoth> one sec
[16:58] <tgm4883> sec, i haven't done this in a long time
[16:59] <stoth> I don't see the port listened in the myth-setup tool (frontend and backon on single machine btw)
[17:01] <tgm4883> are you going to
[17:01] <tgm4883> http://mythbackendip/mythweb
[17:01] <stoth> (hmm, wasn't installed by default on gutsy)
[17:02] <tgm4883> ok
[17:02] <tgm4883> can you go into MCC and install it?
[17:02] <stoth> doing apot-get now.
[17:02] <tgm4883> that works too
[17:03] <stoth> bingo
[17:03] <pike__> wow 900 kB on torrent nice
[17:04] <stoth> tgm4883: I can see the web page, a giant list of channels. Where do I get the xmltvid from?
[17:05] <tgm4883> sec
[17:06] <superm1> the xmltvid is found when you run mythfilldatabas
[17:06] <superm1> e
[17:07] <stoth> I have the data loaded via mythfilldatabase, I mean is their an easy access mechanism to get the xml channel name and id?
[17:07] <Daviey> superm1: what country are you in?
[17:10] <superm1> stoth, if the call sign for the channel and the channel number don't match up to what SD expects, it won't populate right
[17:10] <superm1> so you need to update those
[17:10] <williammanda__> http://pastebin.ca/743591
[17:10] <williammanda__> this is what i get in terminal
[17:11] <stoth> superm1: That's what I'm trying to do, but I don't understand where I get the callsign from (or even whether that's technicall known as the xmltvid)
[17:11] <superm1> stoth, ah
[17:11] <superm1> stoth, when you log into schedules direct
[17:11] <superm1> its what the network is called
[17:12] <superm1> like KDSM
[17:12] <superm1> or something like that
[17:12] <stoth> In the channels listings table you mean?
[17:12] <stoth> (via sd)
[17:12] <superm1> yeah
[17:12] <superm1> alternatively, if that doesn't work for you tgm4883  has another solution
[17:13] <stoth> ahh, I see it.
[17:13] <tgm4883> right now it's being slow, but if you go to the zap2it.com website, and go into listings (picking your type of cable and everything)
[17:13] <stoth> I have the new value associated, will I need to re-run mythfilldatabase?
[17:13] <tgm4883> then click on the channel (not a program on the channel
[17:14] <tgm4883> you'll get a link like this
[17:14] <tgm4883> http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCSGrid.do?stnNum=10424&lineupId=OR36517%3a-&zipcode=97304&channel=3&channelCnt=3
[17:14] <tgm4883> stnNum= is the xmltvid
[17:14] <tgm4883> in this case
[17:14] <tgm4883> 10424
[17:14] <tgm4883> which is the portland CW
[17:14] <stoth> I think I have that number from SD, it's showing me channel #, xmltvid then channel name
[17:16] <stoth> OK. I have three xmltvid's (11331, 11705, 11259) mapped via mythweb for the right channels and saved.
[17:16] <stoth> Do I need to re-run mythfilldtabase?
[17:17] <stoth> (ok, runnit it anyway)
[17:17] <stoth> s/runnit/running/
[17:17] <pike__> so with myth the videos cannot be stored as flat files is that right?
[17:18] <stoth> TADA! listings, cool. Thanks tgm4883, superm1
[17:18] <superm1> stoth, which solution ended up working for you?
[17:18] <superm1> mine or tgm4883's
[17:19] <stoth> I got the xmltvid from SD listings page, the keyed it manually via mythweb.
[17:22] <superm1> ok cool
[17:22] <tgm4883> ok, im out, release party time
[17:23] <superm1> cu
[17:25] <Varka> hi, i have mythbuntu 7.10 rc up and running and aktivated lan-access. i am able to connect to mythweb from other workstations but not to the backend with another frontend running on those other workstations
[17:28] <stoth> that's maybe a mysql security issue.
[17:28] <stoth> check the hostnames and port numbers in mythtvsetup, may sure you're not using localhost.
[17:32] <williammanda_> what is the mythtv user password?
[17:47] <superm1> williammanda_, it's generated randomly
[17:47] <superm1> williammanda_, you dont run things as the mythtv user in mythbuntu though
[17:47] <superm1> its all done as normal user
[17:48] <williammanda_> well...i understand....but i couldn't get mythbuntu to work earlier....
[17:49] <williammanda_> control center wouldn't start
[17:49] <williammanda_> so i loaded myth the old way
[17:49] <williammanda_> and still couldn't get mythtv-setup to work
[17:50] <williammanda_> i'm a member of mythtv group.....haven't ever had this problem
[17:50] <williammanda_> so i thought i would try to logon as mythtv and run mythtv-setup
[17:52] <williammanda_> tgm said there was a problem with the 64 bit
[17:53] <superm1> williammanda_, yeah its a 64 bit problem.  there is a new deb on the ubuntu forums
[17:53] <superm1> for mythbuntu
[17:53] <superm1> that resolves the 64 bit issue
[17:54] <williammanda_> is that installed after mythbuntu?
[17:55] <superm1> williammanda_, it will be for monday's release
[17:55] <superm1> and i'm pushing it to the archives -proposed section right now
[17:57] <superm1> williammanda_, see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=580553
[17:58] <williammanda_> got it
[18:16] <williammanda_> i'm getting the same result
[18:16] <williammanda_> with mythbuntu....
[18:16] <williammanda_> kicks me out of mythtv setup
[18:17] <superm1> kicks you out?
[18:17] <superm1> what do you mean?
[18:17] <williammanda_> do i need to re-install mysql?
[18:18] <williammanda_> upon starting mythtv setup....
[18:18] <superm1> where are you starting it from?
[18:18] <williammanda_> i only get through the 3 blue screens
[18:18] <superm1> oh mysql user issue.....
[18:18] <williammanda_> whether using mythbuntu or regular myth install
[18:18] <superm1> do you have ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt ?
[18:18] <superm1> if so - get rid of it...
[18:19] <williammanda_> nope
[18:19] <superm1> okay did you change the mysql password for the mythtv user?
[18:19] <williammanda_> nope
[18:20] <superm1> okay is mysqld running?
[18:20] <superm1> can you check?
[18:20] <williammanda_> not sure
[18:20] <superm1> ps aux | grep mysql will show you
[18:23] <williammanda__> http://pastebin.ca/743661
[18:24] <williammanda_> i haven't used this before....not sure what it is telling me
[18:24] <superm1> yeah its running
[18:26] <superm1> okay hm.
[18:27] <superm1> wait so your doing this as root
[18:27] <williammanda__> should i do this?
[18:27] <williammanda__> UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mythtv') WHERE user='mythtv';
[18:27] <superm1> check for a /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt then
[18:27] <superm1> well that is an alternate way to go about things
[18:28] <superm1> should we not be able to figure out why the random password isn't working, reseting it is a soltuion
[18:28] <williammanda__> nothing in root
[18:29] <superm1> can you launch it as your normal user?
[18:30] <williammanda__> ok i'll try
[18:32] <williammanda__> i'm confused...running ps aux | grep mysql as a normal user?
[18:34] <superm1> no i mean mythtv-setup
[18:34] <soren> What do I need to do to make xmltv configuration show up in mythtv-setup in the sources setup?
[18:34] <superm1> soren, the RC had a bug that xmltv didn't install via ubiquity
[18:34] <superm1> soren, so after installation, install it via apt
[18:34] <soren> superm1: Ah, so just install xmltv and it will show up?
[18:34] <superm1> soren, and then it will show up
[18:34] <superm1> yeah
[18:34] <williammanda__> i did run mythtv setup as a normal user
[18:35] <superm1> williammanda_, then it is sounding more like you'll want to reset that password.  i'm not sure how you got to this situation.  be sure to update the password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt after you reset it
[18:35] <williammanda__> i just used a superuser terminal for grep
[18:35] <superm1> o
[18:35] <soren> superm1: Ok, thanks.
[18:35] <williammanda__> mythtv setup was lanuched through control center
[18:36] <superm1> williammanda_, ook
[18:37] <superm1> soren, no prob.
[18:38] <reclusivemonke2> has anyone heard of any successes with the soungraph iMON pad remote?
[18:52] <williammanda__> ?
[18:52] <williammanda__> william@C2D:~$ UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mythtv') WHERE user='mythtv';
[18:52] <williammanda__> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[18:52] <williammanda__> i get this error when running this command
[18:55] <MythbuntuGuest76> hi I'm installing mythbuntu now and was wondering if xfs and /var/lib is the prefered partitioning?
[18:58] <williammanda_> xfs is yes
[18:59] <MythbuntuGuest76> i did read /var/lib/mythtv somewhere, is that where storage is now?
[19:00] <williammanda_> the location is defined during the setup process
[19:00] <williammanda_> it has a default...but you can enter any location
[19:00] <MythbuntuGuest76> ok but what is the default?
[19:01] <williammanda_> i don't remember
[19:01] <MythbuntuGuest76> default is often better when upgrades come around
[19:01] <MythbuntuGuest76> ok i go with /var/lib that I've been using all the time before then i guess
[19:02] <MythbuntuGuest76> thank you
[19:04] <williammanda__> ok...i'm stuck
[19:05] <williammanda__> i can't get past this error message...
[19:05] <williammanda__> root@C2D:/home/william# UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mythtv') WHERE user='mythtv';
[19:05] <williammanda__> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[19:06] <pike_> why ()? in bash youd either '' or if you wan t() then \('mythtv'\) right?
[19:07] <soren> williammanda__: You need to do that in mysql, not in a prompt.
[19:08] <williammanda__> soren how do i do that?
[19:09] <williammanda__> i'm just following a guide
[19:10] <williammanda__> mysql -u root mysql
[19:10] <williammanda__> ?
[19:10] <superm1> williammanda_, those are supposed to be issued in a mysql client
[19:11] <pike_> closest ive come to db exp is sqltools on a windows oracle box so im expecting myth to be an experience :)
[19:13] <superm1> in the ideal situation none of this would have come up
[19:14] <williammanda__> i'm still lost.....how do i start mysql client to enter the command?
[19:14] <superm1> mysql -u root mysql
[19:15] <superm1> and then type that command you have there
[19:15] <williammanda__> root@C2D:/home/william# mysql -u root mysql
[19:15] <williammanda__> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[19:16] <MythbuntuGuest76> superm1 any big changes from the rc to final? and thx for all the good work
[19:16] <williammanda__> am i doing something wrong?
[19:16] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest76, yes we have our own theme, and bug fixes
[19:16] <superm1> williammanda_, do you have a root password set?
[19:16] <superm1> for mysql?
[19:16] <williammanda__> no
[19:17] <williammanda__> no password
[19:17] <superm1> williammanda_, well it's sure sounding like you do
[19:17] <MythbuntuGuest76> superm1 I'll get that theme with updates later right?
[19:17] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest76, unfortunately not.  I can point you at the deb for it though.
[19:17] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest76, its not part of the ubuntu archives
[19:17] <williammanda__> would it be easier for me to uninstall mysql & mythtv and start over?
[19:18] <superm1> since it was a last minute decision to add
[19:18] <superm1> williammanda_, at this point yes.
[19:18] <superm1> williammanda_, be sure to *purge*
[19:18] <superm1> mysql
[19:18] <williammanda__> great ty
[19:18] <MythbuntuGuest76> oh ok sure i'd like to have it
[19:19] <superm1> toorima, http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu_0.20071015~ppa2_all.deb
[19:22] <toorima> thx superm1
[19:22] <superm1> no prob.
[19:23] <toorima> everything else will come trough updates tho right?
[19:23] <superm1> yeah
[19:23] <toorima> nice
[19:23] <superm1> the other big bug fixes are in the installer anyhow though
[19:23] <superm1> so they won't be applicable
[19:23] <toorima> ok
[19:23] <toorima> thx again for all the good work
[19:24] <superm1> it's been fun :)
[19:24] <toorima> yeah projects like this must be a lot of fun
[21:24] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Ok... so in prep for that 26th
[21:24] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I have more or less gotten a palette in place with the crest
[21:24] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I am going to rest on it and see if it feels right after the rest.
[21:24] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Then I'll ship it to you for final approval...
[21:25] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Been trying to get the usplash into a more polished state obviously... how goes things with the flowchart?  PM when you are around.
[21:30] <jfg_> Am I better install mythbuntu choosing my whole 500Gb Hard Disk from the start or leave as installer advise half of it free? I'm new to Linux from OS X, installed, upgraded Mythbuntu with its three Desktop environments; my Home Directory is practically full with music. What should I do?
[21:32] <jfg_> I mean, there is a Linux utility to repartition disk and/or repertories... Is that not what I should now use?
[21:43] <r0b-> can someone help me?
[21:43] <r0b-> mythtv wont connect to my MySQL server
[22:05] <DaveMorris> jfg_: your best to use the whole of the drive
[22:05] <DaveMorris> it may have defaulted to using a fraction if it detected an OS already installed on there
[22:06] <DaveMorris> actually
[22:06] <DaveMorris> wait
[22:06] <DaveMorris> have you already installed mythbuntu?
[22:10] <pike_> just curious im at cli right now and in middle of distupgrade but is mythbuntu available as a metapackage?
[22:10] <pike_> in ubuntu repos?
[22:11] <tgm4883> mythbuntu-desktop
[22:12] <tgm4883> there is also a guide to installing mythbuntu on gutsy
[22:12] <tgm4883> $guide
[22:12] <DaveMorris> $wiki
[22:12] <tgm4883> mythbot is dead again
[22:12]  * DaveMorris is gonna give up on the bot
[22:12] <tgm4883> we need a better bot
[22:13] <DaveMorris> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV#head-a2f3c5d4e6ca44e289fadd6e0f4a5fbded05efa7
[22:13] <DaveMorris> pike_: ^^
[22:14] <pike_> ty
[22:41] <jfg_> I've lost internet for a while, can someone tell me if my question was answered?
[22:42] <superm1> jfg_, yeah it was
[22:42] <superm1> DaveMorris> jfg_: your best to use the whole of the drive
 it may have defaulted to using a fraction if it detected an OS already installed on there
 actually
 wait
 have you already installed mythbuntu?
[22:44] <jfg_> Yes I have.
[22:44] <superm1> you can use gparted to resize things as necessary
[22:44] <jfg_> Is there no mean to alter disk partition otherwise with a utility?
[22:44] <superm1> yeah: gparted :)
[22:44] <superm1> you can boot off of a live disk to use it
[22:44] <superm1> since it won't work on a live filesystem
[22:45] <superm1> live meaning mounted
[22:47] <jfg_> It doesn't work. I fear I'll have to reinstall.
[22:48] <jfg_> There's something already on the empty partition. Utility quit when I unmount this free partition, quite curiously...
[22:49] <DaveMorris> you can also mount the unused 1/2 as a separate partition and use that for all your recordings, and the other 1/2 for the os and your music
[22:50] <jfg_> yeah, indeed but I'd rather have a proper installation from the start, though
[22:50] <DaveMorris> copy your muisc of 1st, then install using it all, and then copy it back
[22:50] <superm1> jfg_, why doesnt gparted work?
[22:50]  * DaveMorris off to bed
[22:51] <superm1> night DaveMorris
[22:51] <superm1> did you push your changes?
[22:51] <superm1> (or did you have more )
[22:51] <jfg_> it quits or crashes when I unmount the free partition, is it not possible?
[22:52] <jfg_> the "free" partition just wouldn't unmount...
[22:53] <jfg_> gparted shows it not all free too. There's 6Gb of it used on 234.
[22:53] <superm1> jfg_, you're doing this on a live cd right?
[22:54] <superm1> not on the live system
[22:54] <jfg_> I'll reinstall, there's surely matter for it.
[22:55] <jfg_> What about LVM? Is it available with Mythbuntu?
[22:55] <superm1> jfg_, if you want to do lvm, leave the partition unmade
[22:55] <superm1> you can do it post install
[22:56] <jfg_> allright
[22:57] <jfg_> I go and see on Ubuntu documentation then for LVM. The problem should be solved, thanks.
[22:58] <superm1> good luck :)
[23:01] <Wy|laptop> Hrm, is there a problem with package signing?
[23:02] <Wy|laptop> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!rn  mythbuntu-control-centre
[23:02] <Daviey> Wy|laptop: what archive?
[23:03] <Wy|laptop> Hrm, not sure. I've got standard list
[23:04] <Wy|laptop> that's medi, archive., ppa.launchpad. nothing out of the ordinary
[23:05] <Daviey> ppa.launchpad aint signed..
[23:05] <Wy|laptop> ah
[23:05] <Daviey> if you use mythbuntu repo then it is signed
[23:06] <Wy|laptop> well, that's the default repo list for mythbuntu
[23:06] <superm1_> Wy|laptop, why do you have the ppa even on?
[23:06] <superm1_> its not necessary
[23:06] <superm1_> its only for our build process
[23:07] <Wy|laptop> wierd, musta turned it on by accident
[23:09] <jfg_> I upgraded from beta to rc and the same authentication problem with mythbuntu-control-centre occured to me.
[23:09] <superm1_> oh the beta had the ppa on
[23:09] <superm1_> i forgot about that.
[23:10] <jfg_> maybe in beta, these repositories were on for development...
[23:10] <Wy|laptop> superm1: that might have been it.
[23:11] <jfg_> lol
[23:11] <Wy|laptop> hrm, silly q, but how do you upgrade versions?
[23:13] <Wy|laptop> or is it just dist-upgarde?


[04:18] <ryanvade> hello
[14:14] <jphilipz> wondering if people are still discussing the rolling release issue
[14:18] <jphilipz> just finished watching the video and thought i'd drop my two cents if someone from the team would read it
[14:23] <jphilipz> well i've been interested in rolling releases for a while as i dont like the idea of reinstalling a new version every new relase
[14:23] <jphilipz> and dont want to deal with things breaking down if conflicts arise
[14:24] <jphilipz> so i was glad to hear that opensuse, which i had on my laptop, had a rolling release version called tumbleweed
[14:24] <jphilipz> and think their approach is quite good to be implemented by ubuntu
[14:25] <jphilipz> you have the LTS, stable rolling release, and development rolling release
[14:36] <jphilipz> the development rolling release would be the daily rolling release
[14:38] <jphilipz> the stable rolling release would not be a monthly rolling release, but when more stable versions of software come up they would be pushed into this release
[20:54] <JoseeAntonioR> jsjgruber-l99-p: here I am
[20:54] <JoseAntonioR> here too
[20:55] <jsjgruber-x> This should appear in the chat box.
[20:55] <JoseAntonioR> it does
[20:55] <jsjgruber-l99-p> QUESTION: a question
[20:56] <JoseAntonioR> which appears as a normal text
[20:57] <jsjgruber-l99-p> I'm not in any way privileged here--it is run off the ubuntu-on-air schedule. Go to the schedule on top to see it.
[20:57] <JoseAntonioR> we actually do not give privileges or anything, it's a normal chatroom
[20:58] <jsjgruber-l99-p> Interesting--your first "I am here" message is bolded. I'm not sure why.
[20:58] <jsjgruber-l99-p> "here I am"
[20:59] <JoseAntonioR> jsjgruber-l99-p: maybe because I highlighted you?
[20:59] <jsjgruber-l99-p> I don't understand?
[20:59] <JoseeAntonioR> I mentioned your nick, IRC clients highlight the person when their nick is mentioned
[21:00] <JoseeAntonioR> e.g. if I say thisisatestnick, thisisatestnick would have that message in bold, or red, or somethign different
[21:00] <jsjgruber-x> Is this hightlighted?
[21:00] <jsjgruber-x> no it's not
[21:00] <JoseAntonioR> nope
[21:00] <JoseAntonioR> jsjgruber-x: but if I mention you, it is
[21:01] <JoseAntonioR> jsjgruber-l99-p: or if I do this
[21:01] <jsjgruber-l99-p> That's it. Now I understand. Thanks.
[21:01] <JoseeAntonioR> np :)
[21:02] <jsjgruber-l99-p> Like to hit play in the session window to see that it works as you expect?
[21:02] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[21:02] <JoseeAntonioR> it does work, but the video eems to be a bit oversized
[21:02] <JoseeAntonioR> s/eems/seems
[21:05] <jsjgruber-l99-p> I think people will need to adjust the size of the top window. That's what I found myself doing yesterday when I used it against the Rick Spencer session.
[21:06] <jsjgruber-l99-p> It takes about 40% of my laptop's vertical space.
[21:07] <JoseAntonioR> jsjgruber-l99-p: would you mind changing the default link from http://ubuntuonair.com/ to http://ubuntuonair.com/#video, please?
[21:08] <jsjgruber-l99-p> Make that half. People will need to use most of their screen for the lernind window, too, I suppose. The web page has that problem. Sure, I can do that, does that eliminate the irc stuff or something?
[21:09] <jsjgruber-l99-p> It's just an entry in a config file, (and a backup string in the program).
[21:10] <JoseAntonioR> nope, it's only an anchor to the video, it's like if the user scrolled all the way down to it
[21:10] <jsjgruber-x> Cool, I'll make the change.
[21:11] <JoseAntonioR> ok!
[21:11] <jsjgruber-x> I'll wait to see if you notice anything else that should change.
[21:12] <JoseAntonioR> is there any way to set the default webpage size to another one for #ubuntu-on-air sessions?
[21:15] <jsjgruber-l99-p> That may be difficult. We suggest the last size we used a the size we want the whole window to use, but the window manager can give us anything it wants. There's also the issue of running on different size screens. Let me think about it, though, it should take some research.
[21:15] <JoseAntonioR> sure :)
[21:15] <JoseAntonioR> apart from that, I think it's working great
[21:16] <jsjgruber-l99-p> anything else you want to do together?
[21:16] <JoseAntonioR> nope, I think that's all
[21:16] <JoseeAntonioR> works as expected from what I've seen
[21:16] <jsjgruber-l99-p> You can change the url of the video for yourself now if you want to see how that changes things--
[21:16] <jsjgruber-l99-p> Let me look it up....
[21:18] <jsjgruber-l99-p> You can change it on the homepage: line of /etc/lernid-classrooms.d/ubuntu-on-air
[21:19] <jsjgruber-l99-p> I'm going to try it here.
[21:20] <JoseeAntonioR> problems over here, the video is not loading
[21:21] <JoseeAntonioR> ** Message: console message:  @0: Unsafe JavaScript attempt to access frame with URL http://ubuntuonair.com/#video from frame with URL http://www.youtube.com/embed/z04ndWaVfJs. Domains, protocols and ports must match.
[21:23] <jsjgruber-l99-p> That message comes out of webkit all of the time. I don't think that is it. It came up here ok and plays, by the way.
[21:23] <JoseeAntonioR> you set it as ubuntuonair.com/#video, right?
[21:24] <jsjgruber-l99-p> you might try a browser refresh at the top of the session window.
[21:25] <JoseeAntonioR> nope, still showing a black  box
[21:26] <jsjgruber-l99-p> I'll try the new url a couple of more times myself.
[21:26] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, let me know if this problem persists
[21:29] <jsjgruber-x> I tried it over and over with the new url and it works here. Same computer on your end I assume.
[21:30] <jsjgruber-x> I do get the same message in the log
[21:30] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[21:30] <jsjgruber-x> You can't get it to work at all with refreshing the screen or reconnecting?
[21:30] <JoseeAntonioR> nope
[21:30] <JoseeAntonioR> at all
[21:30] <JoseeAntonioR> worked with ubuntuonair.com, though
[21:31] <JoseeAntonioR> give me a sec, need to restart the router
[21:31] <jsjgruber-x> ok
[21:34] <jsjgruber-x> [#ubuntu-on-air]
[21:34] <jsjgruber-x> homepage: http://ubuntuonair.com/#video
[21:34] <jsjgruber-x> chat: ubuntu-on-air
[21:34] <jsjgruber-x> icalurl: https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/dno3ip0msg552dei3e3r7m8jl0%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
[21:35] <JoseeAntonioR> back now
[21:35] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, weird thing
[21:36] <jsjgruber-x> do you think the new URL is less reliable? Could have to do with your relationship with the google hangout mechanisms?
[21:36] <jsjgruber-x> just throughing out ideas
[21:36] <jsjgruber-x> can't spell: just throwing out ideas
[21:42] <JoseeAntonioR> nope
[21:42] <JoseeAntonioR> it's just an url
[21:42] <JoseeAntonioR> I mean, an anchor, it's just HTML code
[21:43] <jsjgruber-x> so it's just an anchor on the very same html page and therefore shouldn't matter.
[21:44] <jsjgruber-x> Is it working now or still failing after you reset the router?
[21:46] <jsjgruber-x> me thinks about the sse2 check added
[21:50] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm checking that
[21:56] <JoseeAntonioR> still not working
[22:02] <jsjgruber-x> JoseeAntonioR, have you double checked that you can reach the page with firefox or chrome?
[22:02] <JoseeAntonioR> I do
[22:03] <jsjgruber-l99-p> and what exactly do you see in the browser window?
[22:03] <JoseeAntonioR> the page as it should be
[22:03] <jsjgruber-l99-p> I mean with lernid
[22:06] <jsjgruber-x> Does the lernid browser show any part of the page?
[22:06] <JoseeAntonioR> yes, it does
[22:07] <JoseeAntonioR> shows everything but the video
[22:07] <jsjgruber-x> what is different about it. Did you say the video box is just black?
[22:09] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[22:09] <jsjgruber-x> OK, would you mind executing "cat /proc/cpuinfo"? It could be that plugins are being unnecessarily prohibited.
[22:10] <JoseeAntonioR> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5580608/
[22:11] <jsjgruber-x> That looks ok.
[22:11] <jsjgruber-x> and it worked once and never worked again? What have you tried?
[22:12] <JoseeAntonioR> just running it
[22:13] <jsjgruber-x> It did work once, though?
[22:14] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[22:15] <jsjgruber-x> Have you tried to disconnect and reconnect to ubuntu-on-air through lernid?
[22:16] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[22:16] <JoseeAntonioR> lots of times
[22:17] <jsjgruber-x> and you've restarted lernid without success, too?
[22:17] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[22:18] <jsjgruber-x> Given what you see I have to suspect the check for the sse2 feature in lernid is bad--new code. Would you mind making a change to a lernid file on your computer for me if I tell you what to change?
[22:19] <JoseeAntonioR> sure thing
[22:19] <jsjgruber-x> Wierd that it would work once and no more. Let me work out a print that'll tell us whether lernid is disabling plugs--I'l be back in a few minutes.
[22:24] <jsjgruber-x> sudo vi /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/lernid/widgets/Browser.py
[22:25] <jsjgruber-x> and then go to line 70 in the file (you could you another editor like gksudo gedit, to) ....
[22:26] <jsjgruber-x> add the print line: "        print "sse2 returns ", sse2()"
[22:26] <jsjgruber-x> so it looks like:
[22:27] <jsjgruber-x>         parts[-1]='lernid/'+VERSION
[22:27] <jsjgruber-x>         browser_settings.set_property('user-agent', ' '.join(parts))
[22:27] <jsjgruber-x>         print "sse2 returns ", sse2()
[22:27] <jsjgruber-x>         if not sse2():
[22:27] <jsjgruber-x>             browser_settings.set_property('enable-plugins', False)
[22:27] <jsjgruber-x>         else:
[22:27] <jsjgruber-x>             browser_settings.set_property('enable-plugins', True)
[22:27] <jsjgruber-x>         self._browser.set_settings(browser_settings)
[22:27] <jsjgruber-x> the eight spaces at the beginning are critical
[22:27] <jsjgruber-x> The third line of the above is the addition.
[22:27] <jsjgruber-x> Please let me know if you have trouble.
[22:35] <JoseeAntonioR> jsjgruber-x: would you mind doing this with me later? I need to run out
[22:36] <jsjgruber-x> good idea. I could use some dinner, too. When should we try to get together?
[22:36] <jsjgruber-x> BTW, what version of python and ubuntu are you using?
[22:58] <jsjgruber-x> shutting down to experiment with a newer version of Ubuntu


[01:14] <_paultag> persia: did I see you were appointed to the CC ?
[02:25] <persia> paultag, You did.
[02:25] <_paultag> persia: congrats :)
[02:25] <persia> Thank you.
[07:13] <stochastic> ScottL, you around?
[07:13] <stochastic> hmm, probably sleeping.
[07:15] <stochastic> Anyone awake?
[07:16] <persia> I am.
[07:16] <persia> stochastic, Are you someone who can update the release page on the website?
[07:17] <stochastic> persia, that's exactly why I poked my head in here
[07:17] <stochastic> persia, I've had my head out of this world for some time.  Are there any release notes kicking about?
[07:18] <persia> I think there were some.  I'll see if I can find them.
[07:19] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/10.10release_notes
[07:19] <stochastic> ouch, it looks like even the main page of the ubuntu studio wiki still have 10.04 as the latest release
[07:20] <persia> Yeah.  ScottL doesn't seem to have some combination of permissions and procedure to be able to fix stuff.
[07:21] <persia> Oh, the wiki!  Oh my.
[07:21] <stochastic> but the wiki should be editable by anyone
[07:21] <stochastic> I can update the webpage
[07:21] <stochastic> (starting to right now)
[07:21] <persia> Indeed.
[07:21]  * persia fixes the wiki
[07:22] <stochastic> persia, what date was 10.10 released?
[07:22] <persia> ScottL, I'm leaving "recommended release" as 10.04 for a bit more: I suspect it needs some more time to mature (I may be wrong, but I usually like to wait a month or so)
[07:22] <persia> stochastic, 10.10.10 10:10:10
[07:23] <stochastic> of course
[07:32] <stochastic> persia, ScottL, all should be updated now on the ubuntustudio.org website
[07:32] <persia> Thanks a lot!
[07:33] <stochastic> next time please just poke me with a personal e-mail if I forget on release day
[07:33] <stochastic> I'd love to get back into more work here, but my two kitchen jobs are keeping me busy 14+ hours a day
[07:35] <persia> Totally understood.  I think the better solution is to find a way to get you backup when you're swamped.
[07:35] <persia> I hope ScottL and you can work that out over the next few months.
[07:38] <stochastic> persia, agreed.  Though I did have time over thanksgiving weekend here (oct 10-12), I just expected the release to come at the end of the month like previous releases.
[07:38] <stochastic> next time I'll check release dates a little earlier
[07:38] <persia> Understandable :)  It's really a breakdown in communications.
[07:39] <persia> We need to make sure the entire team is on the same page for releases, etc.
[07:40] <stochastic> yep.
[07:42] <stochastic> Anyways, it's off to bed for me.  Today is my Sunday, and a long week starts tomorrow.
[07:42] <stochastic> I'll keep my head in here for a little bit though.
[07:47] <persia> Good night.
[12:28] <ScottL> wow, i don't thin i've ever seen the channel this full :)
[12:33] <astraljava> Building a momentum here. :D
[15:54] <falktx> hi there guys
[15:54] <falktx> i just noticed that a lot of people are trying to make new audio distros
[15:54] <falktx> (including me)
[15:54] <falktx> but there's no shared work this way...
[15:54] <falktx> this makes me sad
[15:55] <falktx> there's a new distro called 'dream studio' - http://secondbedroomstudio.blogspot.com/
[15:55] <falktx> also tango studio
[15:57] <falktx> i want you guys to be honest with me
[15:57] <falktx> What can I do right  *now* that will help get UbuntuStudio better?
[16:02] <falktx> scott-work: ?
[16:20]  * abogani is wondering if ScottL have a TODO list for Natty development...
[16:24] <falktx> hey abogani
[16:24] <falktx> abogani: do you plan to make realtime kernel for natty?
[16:27] <abogani> falktx: Yes but not in Ubuntu official repos.
[16:28] <falktx> abogani: yep, I wont count on that
[17:08] <scott-work> hi falt
[17:08] <scott-work> crap, he's gone again
[17:18] <scott-work> i find it heartening to see the traffic on the debian-multimedia mailing list about SuperCollider, it's nice to see upstream working well with downstream and vice versa :)


[20:53] <dbazim> to: ivan Yes, USB3.0 from NEC worked well on ubuntu 14.04 all kernels until I upgraded to 16.04. It looks like uas problem. [sda] tag#11 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas_tag 12 inflight: CMD OUT.
[20:54] <dbazim> No problem if connect USB 3.0 disk box to usb 2 but speed is less.


[10:54] <ogra_> cjwatson, seems i found a better way than mangling diversions for flash-kernel ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1137623/
[10:55] <ogra_> (just struck me that we re-introduced this in ubuntu for live-build)
[11:07] <cjwatson> I'm afraid that won't help, because it only affects direct children of live-installer.postinst
[11:07] <cjwatson> We need to suppress any update-initramfs calls until flash-kernel-installer.postinst gets round to running
[11:08] <cjwatson> If you do it that way, and pkgsel ends up installing anything that updates the initramfs, then it will fail
[11:08] <ogra_> hmm, where can i set it globally ?
[11:09] <ogra_> flash-kernel-installer can forcefully unset it then
[11:10] <xnox> ogra_: divert update-initramfs to /bin/true in preinst and finally remove that diversion in the flash-kernel-installer.postinst and run it again.... ugly but....
[11:10] <ogra_> and i dont mind update-initramfs calls ... i only mind the kernel and initramfs hooks (which that var specifically supresses)
[11:11] <xnox> oh. ok.
[11:11] <cjwatson> I did think about this.  I believe the diversion is the best answer.
[11:12] <ogra_> but then the diversion should also happen globally instead of having it done by single udebs imho
[11:12] <cjwatson> No, because the reason for it is specific to the needs of flash-kernel.
[11:12] <cjwatson> It's entirely reasonable for that to be done in flash-kernel-installer.
[11:12] <cjwatson> In fact, it is best for it to be entirely contained within flash-kernel-installer.
[11:13] <cjwatson> (Modulo the pkgsel tweak, which is really - IMO - a fix for something pkgsel was doing slightly wrong.)
[11:13] <ogra_> that still means i need to hack up pkgsel to mangle DIVERTS= if the f-k diversion exists
[11:13] <cjwatson> You said you were going to do that.  Are you having problems?
[11:13] <cjwatson> It should take about five minutes.
[11:14] <cjwatson> I am happy to help if you want.
[11:14] <ogra_> no, but its a lot more code overall than the one export line :)
[11:14] <cjwatson> But the one export line is wrong.
[11:33] <ogra_> cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1137676/
[11:36] <cjwatson> I'd suggest doing the check up top when setting DIVERTS instead.  It should be easier and cleaner.
[11:36] <ogra_> well, lazyness, there was a loop already ;)
[11:36]  * ogra_ puts it at the top
[11:37] <cjwatson> i.e. DIVERTS=; for divert in /usr/bin/fc-cache /usr/sbin/update-initramfs; do if chroot /target blah; then DIVERTS="$DIVERTS $divert"; fi; done
[11:37] <cjwatson> only with spacing and such
[11:37] <ogra_> ah, saves the sed calls, ok
[11:37] <cjwatson> Anything where I have to count sed backslashes probably means there's a better way to write it :)
[11:37] <ogra_> haha
[11:43] <ogra_> k, so it boils down to http://paste.ubuntu.com/1137684/
[12:13] <ogra_> cjwatson, ^^ if you dont shout, i'll upload now :)
[12:18] <cjwatson> looks fine
[12:19] <ogra_> uploaded :)


[06:50] <rogpeppe1> mornin' all
[07:33] <urulama> robbiew: morning
[07:33] <urulama> robbiew: sorry ... meant rogpeppe1
[07:33] <rogpeppe1> urulama: yo!
[07:34] <urulama> rogpeppe1: i might have empty slot and continue reviewing your PR so that you're not blocked
[07:34] <rogpeppe1> urulama: thank you v much. if it's too much, i will split it up like i should have done in the first place :-)
[07:35] <urulama> rogpeppe1: i just have internal/v4/stats.go and tests, no problem
[07:59] <rogpeppe1> frankban: hiya
[07:59] <rogpeppe1> urulama, bac, jrwren, frankban: https://github.com/juju/charmstore/pull/53
[08:01] <frankban> rogpeppe1: morning, on it
[08:15] <rogpeppe1> frankban: thanks
[08:16] <rogpeppe1> "Nice! It's great that go stdlib supports this out of the box."
[08:16] <rogpeppe1> frankban: it wasn't immediately obvious how to take advantage of it for our use case...
[08:19] <frankban> rogpeppe1: yeah, I see you required to mimic a FileSystem (and a File)
[08:19] <rogpeppe1> frankban: yeah.
[08:22] <frankban> rogpeppe1: done
[08:22] <rogpeppe1> frankban: ta!
[08:25] <rogpeppe1> frankban: and os.FileInfo...
[08:26] <frankban> rogpeppe1: indeed
[09:28] <rogpeppe1> frankban: fancy pairing on some charmstore stuff?
[09:30] <frankban> rogpeppe1: sounds good, IIRC this week I will be working on the charmstore
[09:30] <rogpeppe1> frankban: cool
[09:30] <rogpeppe1> frankban: also, i'd quite like a review of https://github.com/juju/charmstore/pull/52 but i realise it's more sprawling than it should be
[09:30] <rogpeppe1> frankban: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/gogogo?authuser=1 ?
[09:32] <frankban> rogpeppe1: I'm there
[10:03] <urulama> rogpeppe1: sorry, got sucked up in meetings ... no time for review till evening :(
[10:03] <rogpeppe1> urulama: np. frankban is on it.
[10:03] <urulama> rogpeppe1: ok, great, it can proceed! *happy now*
[10:03] <rogpeppe1> urulama: :-)
[10:03] <rogpeppe1> urulama: how's it going?
[10:03] <urulama> intense
[10:04] <urulama> but progress being made
[10:04] <rogpeppe1> cool
[10:04] <urulama> identity, authorization, different core parts, billing ... a lot of issues at least being started on and documented and agreed on initial plan
[10:30] <frankban> rogpeppe1: review done
[10:30] <rogpeppe1> frankban: brill, thanks
[10:31] <rogpeppe1> frankban: am just making the changes
[10:31] <frankban> rogpeppe1: cool
[11:28]  * frankban lunches
[12:30] <jrwren> rogpeppe1: I'll rev you if you rev me: https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/charmstore-charm/pull/1
[12:30] <jrwren> rogpeppe1: j/k, I'll rev you either way.
[12:38] <rogpeppe1> jrwren: looking
[12:44] <frankban> rogpeppe1: ready when you are
[12:44] <rogpeppe1> frankban: just reviewing jrwren's PR
[12:45] <frankban> rogpeppe1, jrwren: I also need reviews for https://github.com/juju/charmstore/pull/54
[12:59] <rogpeppe1> jrwren: reviewed
[13:04] <jrwren> Is +1 an alias for LGTM ?
[13:10] <rogpeppe1> jrwren: i think so
[13:11] <rogpeppe1> frankban: reviewed
[13:20] <rogpeppe1> frankban: hmm, the 'bot doesn't look too happy: http://ci.jujugui.org:8080/job/charmstore-merge/
[13:46] <kadams54> rick_h__: so… are there any exceptions to having two reviews? I just finished QAing a PR from huw that is just an updated image file…
[14:10] <rogpeppe1> kadams54, rick_h__: i also have a bit of a problem with the two review thing. when i've been pairing with frankban, obviously i can't get a review from him, but then there's only one other available reviewer.
[14:10] <rogpeppe1> jrwren: https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/35
[14:13] <rogpeppe1> well, with jenkins off line, i guess we can't land anything anyway, so it doesn't make much difference
[14:17] <jrwren> jenkins is down again?
[14:18] <jrwren> ugh
[14:20] <rogpeppe1> jrwren: yeah
[14:20] <jrwren> looking
[14:40] <jrwren> rogpeppe1 and all: jenkins it building again
[14:40] <rogpeppe1> jrwren: lol. we've just bypassed it :-)
[14:41] <jrwren> Hopefully your bypass doesn't crash the lander.
[14:41] <frankban> rogpeppe1: http://ci.jujugui.org:8080/job/charmstore/60/
[14:51] <Makyo> jujugui call in 9
[14:59] <hatch> jujugui call now
[15:01] <Makyo> jcsackett, you in today?
[15:10] <hatch> I think that huws cards in landing have landed
[15:10] <frankban> rogpeppe1: gogogo in a minute
[15:10] <rogpeppe1> frankban: am back in gogogo
[15:11] <hatch> frankban there is a card in Project 1 with my head on it about adding a 'deleted' flag to machines and containers.....didn't you already do this?
[15:13] <frankban> hatch: no
[15:14] <hatch> frankban you just did services and units?
[15:14] <hatch> I'm trying to decide what card to pick up next
[15:14] <frankban> hatch: I didn't add a deleted flag to anything
[15:14] <hatch> wasn't there something you did about removing services?
[15:15] <frankban> hatch: if you are going to do that, I'd suggest to also add a isGhost flag
[15:15] <frankban> hatch: it was about renaming services, not removing them
[15:15] <frankban> hatch: we discussed about a possible solution for entities removal, and we agree don the db flags
[15:15] <hatch> ohh ok so the removal stuff wrt the ecs is still all not done
[15:16] <frankban> hatch: AFAICT yes
[15:28] <hatch> frankban ok thanks
[15:42] <hatch> Makyo Did you forget to add a release tag?
[15:42] <hatch> :)
[15:42] <hatch> hi luca
[15:42] <luca> hi hatch
[15:43] <Makyo> hatch, https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/releases/tag/1.1.1
[15:43] <hatch> interesting, I don't have that tag.....hmmm
[15:43] <luca> hatch: sup
[15:43] <hatch> doh I forgot to fetch
[15:43] <hatch> carryon....sorry :)
[15:44] <hatch> luca oh just workin away on this darn machine view.....wish it would just be done already
[15:44] <luca> hatch: me and you both bud
[15:44] <luca> hatch: me and you both
[15:44] <hatch> wish the designs would stop changing for a day or so....
[15:44] <hatch> :P
[15:44] <hatch> lol
[15:44] <luca> hatch: rofl
[15:44] <luca> hatch: don’t make me send another revision!
[15:45] <hatch> hahaha, "make you"? You mean you don't already HAVE another ready to go?
[15:45] <hatch> lol
[15:49] <hatch> jcsackett didn't you do something wrt the uncommitted units recently? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1352973 If you're still in that area you might want to see this bug
[15:52] <jcsackett> hatch: i've moved on, but i can tackle that next--can you assign me to the card?
[15:52] <hatch> sure will do
[15:53] <jcsackett> hatch: thansk.
[15:53] <jcsackett> er, thanks.
[15:53] <hatch> jcsackett there is a util method for taking that id and getting the real name
[15:53] <jcsackett> hatch: cool.
[15:53] <hatch> so should be easyish to do
[15:53] <hatch> created
[16:26] <hatch> hey fabulous
[16:26] <hatch> 1 more mo :)
[16:26] <fabulous> yes
[16:27] <fabulous> Still waiting for my exact end date :(
[16:27] <fabulous> hi everyone
[16:55] <rogpeppe1> jrwren, Makyo: https://github.com/juju/charmstore/pull/55
[17:22] <kadams54> guihelp: where did things land on the uncommitted indicators? We're using text characters for those now, right?
[17:22] <kadams54> hatch: ^
[17:23] <hatch> kadams54 I think some are using png and some is a character
[17:23] <kadams54> What's the character being used?
[17:23] <hatch> look at the mv stuff it's a character there
[17:25] <kadams54> °
[17:26] <hatch> nope
[17:26] <kadams54> hatch: Well that's what it is in machine-token.handlebars :-)
[17:27] <hatch> hmm check in the css
[17:28] <hatch> kadams54                     content: "\00B0";
[17:28] <hatch> from juju-inspector.less
[17:28] <hatch> it might be that we have to use one one place and one ther other
[17:28] <kadams54> Yeah
[17:28] <kadams54> That's likely the hex equivalent of °
[17:28] <kadams54> I also found a .uncommitted-circle in mixins.less
[17:29] <hatch> ahh right it s
[17:29] <kadams54> Makyo: The ticket I'm working on means truncating long names. Trying to figure out if that needs to happen in the JS or if it can happen via CSS in the charm SVG.
[17:29] <hatch> kadams54 css has an elipsis overflow property
[17:30] <Makyo> kadams54, hatch if that works well with SVG, then we should be good.
[17:30] <kadams54> Makyo: as best I can tell, text-overflow: ellipsis doesn't work in SVG-land. Unless I'm missing something?
[17:30] <hatch> well it's container needs a defined width for sure
[17:30] <hatch> does it?
[17:30] <kadams54> Yeah, I set a width on the container
[17:30] <kadams54> width, overflow: hidden, and text-overflow: ellipsis
[17:30] <kadams54> But they didn't seem to take. I noticed that some CSS stuff works for SVG elements, others do not.
[17:31] <kadams54> border: 1px solid red, for example, does not work.
[17:31] <Makyo> kadams54, hatch It might not, unfortunately.  May need to truncate the actual name, add an ellipsis (and then the pending indicator if necessary down the line)
[17:31] <kadams54> But changing the font-size doese
[17:31] <Makyo> Yeah, not everything's applicable with svg elements.
[17:31] <hatch> boo
[17:32] <Makyo> There isn't really a concept of inline/block for example.
[17:32] <hatch> calculating the width of the text is going to be a pita
[17:32] <kadams54> I think that's a bad route.
[17:32] <Makyo> May just need to pick a number of characters to fit on the name of a service.
[17:32] <kadams54> If we can't truncate in CSS, the next best option, IMO, is to truncate at a certain character count
[17:33] <kadams54> hatch: "Guidelines from UX were to truncate names with ellipses but keep the indicator at the end whether or not truncated."
[17:33] <hatch> so it'll always be ...? even if it's not truncated?
[17:33] <kadams54> That's from the ticket. Does that mean they want the indicator moved to the end of the service name, or can I leave it at the beginning, where it currently is?
[17:33] <Makyo> Yeah, calculating the width of the text wouldn't really work with variable-width text.
[17:33] <Makyo> hatch, no, only when it's truncated.  If it's eg: 15 or more characters, truncate to 13, add ellipsis.
[17:33] <kadams54> hatch: No, it'll only have the ellipsis if we truncate, which would happen after X characters
[17:34] <hatch> I suppose we would then need to err on the side of caution and do at least a single extra character because of the variable width char set
[17:34] <Makyo> Sure
[17:35] <Makyo> Just need to find a good threshold.
[17:35] <hatch> yeah might be tough cross browser/os hah
[17:35] <Makyo> m is always going to be the widest character, so a service named mmmmmmmmmmm is a good place to start.
[17:35] <Makyo> hatch, we're loading webfonts.
[17:35] <hatch> yeah good point
[17:35] <hatch> right, but osx/ubuntu render fonts very differently :)
[17:36] <Makyo> They shouldn't in SVG-land, otherwise they wouldn't pass W3C spec.
[17:36] <hatch> huw and I ran into that when doing the deg icon for uncommitted
[17:36] <Makyo> Right, but in dom land.
[17:36] <hatch> point to point in svg will be the same, but I'm pretty sure fonts are a separate case
[17:36] <Makyo> Okay.
[17:36] <kadams54> http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/presto25/svg/cssproperties/
[17:37] <kadams54> Opera-specific, but still…
[17:37] <kadams54> Not only does SVG not support all HTML CSS properties, but in SVG land some are different.
[17:37] <kadams54> background-color becomes fill
[17:37] <Makyo> Yes, because fill works differently.
[17:38] <Makyo> If you have a non-flat polygon, there are fill-rules you have to worry about.
[17:39] <kadams54> It looks like there's an overflow property, but it only applies to certain elements (i.e., not text or tspan).
[17:39] <kadams54> And it's still not text-overflow: ellipsis
[17:40] <kadams54> Looks like I'll have to truncate in JS
[17:40] <hatch> boo urns!
[17:41] <kadams54> Wow, with an all-m service name… truncate after 7 characters.
[17:41] <kadams54> Ouch.
[17:42] <Makyo> kadams54, maybe hunt around for something that's a bit more intelligent about truncating in JS?  Like, a library of wide/narrow characters that can help?
[17:42] <hatch> kadams54 yikes....
[17:42] <hatch> Makyo that would be pretty highly dependant on the font
[17:43] <hatch> kadams54 you COULD render it to the dom, measure it, then truncate really fast :)
[17:43] <kadams54> Yeah, that's the standard workaround if you absolutely *must* have character width.
[17:44] <kadams54> Make in hidden div, populate it with the text, get the width, then delete it.
[17:44] <kadams54> But I hate that.
[17:44] <hatch> have to be a hidden svg in this point :) because of scaling haha
[17:44] <kadams54> Yup
[17:44] <kadams54> Like I said…
[17:45] <Makyo> Lets not get too in the weeds here.  Can we come up with a prototype or two along different lines of functionality?
[17:45] <Makyo> Just a smash-and-bash here's-what-we-could-do thing.
[17:45] <kadams54> https://github.com/jprichardson/d3-measure-text
[17:45] <kadams54> Yeah, I'll see what I can hack up shortly.
[17:49] <hatch> oh cool little script there
[17:50] <hatch> still falls into what you 'dont' want to do :)
[19:02] <hatch> kadams54 hey how goes the battle?
[19:02] <kadams54> Truncation on character count works fine. Playing with that d3-measure-text plugin now to see how easy/hard it is to get something going with that.
[19:04] <hatch> right - but doesn't that turn wordpress into wordpre.. ? :)
[19:05] <kadams54> Yes, it does. I think that's the intent?
[19:06] <kadams54> Well, actually, I went with a character limit of 10. So wordpress is untruncated
[19:06] <jcsackett> when did we stop showing "new" in the charm results in GUI?
[19:06] <kadams54> But "ubuntu-mirror" becomes "ubuntu-mi…"
[19:07] <hatch> kadams54 yeah imho that's just not acceptable
[19:07] <hatch> I'd be interested to see how the size calculation bit works
[19:07] <kadams54> hatch: what's unacceptable?
[19:07] <hatch> jcsackett not sure I follow?
[19:08] <hatch> kadams54 well maybe if we had it show the real name in an 'alt' on hover ?
[19:08] <jcsackett> hatch: in the left hand browser. the editorial view. it used to have "featured", "recommended", and "new".
[19:08] <hatch> looking
[19:08] <hatch> jcsackett scroll down?
[19:08] <kadams54> hatch: it shows the full name in the inspector.
[19:08] <hatch> it's showing for me
[19:09] <jcsackett> hatch: i have scrolled down. in development, on my machine, i'm not seeing "new".
[19:09] <jcsackett> weird.
[19:09] <hatch> kadams54 right - but people usually do things like 'mysql-foobar' and 'mysql-baz' so if it truncates off the differentiator then that's no good
[19:09] <hatch> know what i mean?
[19:09] <hatch> jcsackett what about on jujucharms? or comingsoon?
[19:10] <kadams54> hatch: sounds to me like your issues is more with truncating at all rather than with how it's implemented (char count vs. pixel width) - is that accurate?
[19:10] <jcsackett> does comingsoon still run the most recent build? don't we have some qa.something.something url for that?
[19:11] <jcsackett> or am in conflating juju gui and charmworld urls?
[19:11] <hatch> jcsackett conflating :)
[19:12] <jcsackett> so, comingsoon i'm seeing the normal thing.
[19:12] <hatch> ohhh wait a second comingsoon is behind...
[19:12] <jcsackett> that's what i thought.
[19:13] <jcsackett> so, i'm assuming this is something someone landed; b/c it's now "recommended" and "other"; i'm just wondering when we did that.
[19:13] <hatch> interesting the version it's on isn't even in the develop tree....
[19:14] <hatch> jcsackett I'm just checking locally as well
[19:14] <hatch> jcsackett ok on develop I still see featured/popular/new
[19:14] <hatch> on both flags
[19:15] <hatch> jcsackett are you sure you don't have a search result?
[19:15] <hatch> ?text= in the addybar
[19:16] <jcsackett> oh bloody hell, yes i do.
[19:16] <jcsackett> thanks, hatch.
[19:16] <jcsackett> was getting quite confused. :p
[19:16] <hatch> hahaha
[19:16] <hatch> ahh it happens
[19:16] <hatch> :D
[19:20] <kadams54> bbiab; off to pick the kiddos up from school
[19:20] <hatch> lata
[19:20] <hatch> brb rebooting
[19:32] <hatch> jcsackett so do you have any idea what this new comingsoon url is?
[19:32] <jcsackett> no idea.
[19:32] <jcsackett> i believe there was an email from bac.
[19:32] <jcsackett> i am digging for it now.
[19:32] <jcsackett> but i haven't found anything yet.
[19:33] <hatch> yeah I just did a quick search as well...no luck
[19:41] <rick_h__> kadams54: yes, using a character for uncommitted
[19:42] <rick_h__> howdy jujugui how goes?
[19:42] <hatch> hey rick_h__
[19:42] <hatch> tis trucking along well
[19:42] <jrwren> going, going going...
[19:42] <jcsackett> hola rick_h__, how's germany?
[19:42] <rick_h__> it's ok, to warm for my tastes
[19:43] <rick_h__> but I'm feeling a bit toasty after dinner and drinks
[19:43] <rick_h__> so how goes the release plans?
[19:45] <hatch> I think it's done...
[19:45] <rick_h__> orly?
[19:45] <hatch> last I heard this am Makyo was doing the charm
[19:45] <rick_h__> cool
[19:45] <hatch> https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/releases
[19:45] <hatch> the gui release is done for sure...
[19:45] <rick_h__> woot
[19:45] <rick_h__> ok, will watch out for a charm update.
[19:46] <rick_h__> how goes things overall?
[19:46] <hatch> doesn't look the charm update is done yet
[19:46] <rick_h__> k
[19:46] <hatch> good good - found some bugs this morning doing a quick qa
[19:46] <rick_h__> bugs in the release?
[19:46] <hatch> no in mv stuff
[19:46] <rick_h__> or in MV?
[19:46] <rick_h__> :/ wheeee
[19:47] <hatch> tried to do some testing on a live env with my vagrant image and it was a pita so I switched to a vm which is now lagging and driving me nuts
[19:47] <hatch> (can't win today)
[19:47] <hatch> :)
[19:47] <rick_h__> heh :(:(
[19:48] <hatch> there are so many possible interactions with mv
[19:48] <hatch> we will need some serious checklist
[19:49] <rick_h__> yea, definitely
[19:49] <hatch> ohhh yeah, you use a synology NAS right?
[19:49] <hatch> you should make sure you update it asap
[19:50] <rick_h__> heh, yea it's offline atm
[19:50] <hatch> ahh ok good
[19:50] <rick_h__> I need to put it on the new router and hadn't gotten around to it
[20:02] <hatch> ahh well in this case lazyness? has possibly saved you a big headache :D
[20:03] <hatch> The rosetta spacecraft should be ready to get into orbit around a comet tomorrow
[20:18] <jcsackett> what's going on with synology?
[20:19] <hatch> jcsackett randsomware
[20:19] <jcsackett> ?
[20:19] <hatch> there apparently is a hole in an old version where some dickheads could hack into the system and would encrypt your drives
[20:19] <hatch> then they would ask for bitcoins to unlock it
[20:21] <hatch> rick_h__ jcsackett  figured you'd get a big kick out of this https://twitter.com/pgte/status/496750687037169664
[20:27] <jcsackett> hatch: that code is terrifying.
[20:28] <hatch> haha tis
[20:40] <Makyo> hatch, ping
[20:42] <hatch> ping
[20:42] <hatch> er pong
[20:44] <Makyo> I think I figured it out, but just to be sure, the precise and trusty charms are the same except for their branch, right?
[20:44] <hatch> correct
[20:44] <Makyo> Cool, thanks.
[20:44] <hatch> np
[20:44] <Makyo> Trusty charm is up, getting precise one updated.
[20:44] <hatch> that reminds me, I should make the trusty charm for my ghost charm at some point
[20:45] <urulama> jrwren: hi there, how's it going?
[20:51] <hatch> guess not well... lol
[20:56] <urulama> :)
[22:32] <hatch> kadams54 you around?
[22:35] <jrwren> urulama: I missed ya.
[22:58] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:58] <hatch> ahoy!
[22:59] <hatch> I assigned you a card today huwshimi a bug from your auto-place branch
[22:59] <huwshimi> hatch: Ah right, thanks
[23:00] <hatch> blame whomever did the qa
[23:00] <hatch> :)
[23:00] <huwshimi> hatch: Can you give me a bit more on how to reproduce?
[23:01] <huwshimi> hatch: Never mind
[23:01] <hatch> nope that's all the steps
[23:01] <hatch> ok
[23:01] <hatch> :)
[23:01] <huwshimi> hatch: It's got an attached bug :)
[23:01] <hatch> oh haha, yeah
[23:02] <Makyo> hatch, can't get functional tests to pass on the precise charm, keeps failing on test_legacy_server.  Any ideas?
[23:03] <Makyo> (need to figure out how to run just that one, since a full run takes forever.
[23:03] <Makyo> )
[23:03] <hatch> Makyo sorry I have no idea, the last release (I think I did) went through without a hitch, is there any details about what the failure is caused by?
[23:04] <hatch> legacy_server sounds like pyjuju which maybe we can just delete for now
[23:04] <Makyo> Cannot connect to the environment.  Checking again on a fresh env
[23:04] <Makyo> hatch, yeah, not really sure what's up
[23:09] <Makyo> hatch, if I don't get this sorted this evening, I'm out tomorrow through Monday.  Can you at the very least delegate finishing it?  GUI is released, trusty charm is released, just the precise charm needs some love
[23:10] <hatch> Makyo yeah sure I have to take off shortly so can you send me an email with the outcome
[23:10] <Makyo> hatch, will do
[23:14] <huwshimi> hatch: Any ideas on how to list to the changes to units for a particular service? Here we just do a data-bind: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/blob/develop/app/templates/scale-up.handlebars#L8 but I need to display the committed state and be able to pluralise the lable etc.
[23:14] <hatch> hmm
[23:14] <hatch> looking
[23:16] <hatch> huwshimi see service-overview.js
[23:16] <hatch> line.....381
[23:16] <hatch> er line 400
[23:17] <hatch> when the units change this gets called
[23:17] <hatch> try there
[23:17] <huwshimi> hatch: Ah great!
[23:45] <hatch> bbl


[23:31] <Ahmuck> looking for a debian package
[23:31] <Ahmuck> for linux mint
[23:31] <Ahmuck> for gnu cash, any ideas?


[01:24] <Logan_> jamespage: Are you around?
[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[07:56] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[07:56] <dholbach> hey iulian
[09:12] <fr33r1d3> dholbach: I'm thinking about trying to become a MOTU, Where is the most up to date information about how to start..
[09:13] <dholbach> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/
[09:13] <dholbach> oops
[09:13] <dholbach> why is the link broken
[09:13] <dholbach> give me a sec
[09:14] <fr33r1d3> ok
[09:16] <dholbach> fr33r1d3, in the meantime you could just "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-packaging-guide-team/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install ubuntu-packaging-guide"
[09:16] <fr33r1d3> sure
[09:17] <dholbach> bdrung, maybe we should get an updated version of the packaging guide into the archive again?
[10:08] <bdrung> dholbach: okay. asomething took over the maintainer role. poke him. if he is not available, i will do the upload.
[10:09] <mitya57> please wait for one more merge proposal from me before releasing :)
[10:58] <dholbach> thanks bdrung and mitya57
[12:33] <fr33r1d3> I have just tried to fix my first bug. Is there any way to let someone just check it to see if its raight done?
[12:41] <geser> do you have the bug number?
[12:44] <fr33r1d3> yes. its 1179969
[12:45] <mitya57> fr33r1d3: did you forward this fix upstream?
[12:45] <fr33r1d3> no
[12:46] <mitya57> please do that, as I don't think we want to carry a delta (against debian) because of such a minor fix
[12:46] <fr33r1d3> ok, i do that with a debcommit?
[12:47] <geser> with "submittodebian"
[12:47] <fr33r1d3> yes , saw that now. =)
[12:48] <fr33r1d3> thanx
[12:48] <mitya57> no, it's upstream file, so forward this upstream instead of debian
[12:52] <Laney> someone write pull-lp-binaries please ♥
[12:52] <Laney> I'll bake you cookies
[12:55] <dholbach> fr33r1d3, it's fixed now - the link I gave you earlier should work now
[12:55] <fr33r1d3> ok, thanx
[12:58] <fr33r1d3> dholbach: Thats the page you wanted help with translation, if I remember right?
[12:58] <dholbach> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/ :)
[12:59] <fr33r1d3> I have started on it for some time ago.. Maybe I should make "my team" work a bit harder on it now when I'm TL for swedish loco. =)
[13:52] <dholbach> mitya57, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/+bug/1188112 might be a blocker
[13:56] <mitya57> dholbach: will look in 20 minutes
[13:57] <dholbach> thanks - merged your other branch - good work
[16:55] <jtaylor> can someone new python3-pyparsing to then sync it over the mess that is the ubuntu pyparsing?
[18:04] <kermit666> hi! I'm trying to build the package from this source code: https://code.launchpad.net/~cooperjona/lightread/master
[18:05] <kermit666> I issue "bzr bd -- -S", but it fails - it looks for the debian folder in the wrong place: "bzr: ERROR: Could not find changelog at /home/kermit/projekti/bzr/drugi/lightread/trunk/debian/changelog in tree.
[18:05] <kermit666> "
[18:06] <kermit666> it is located under trunk/Ubuntu/debian/changelog in the mentioned source repo
[18:20] <kermit666> anyone know what to do when debian/ is not in bzr repo root, but in Ubuntu/debian instead? I tried "bzr bd --build-dir=Ubuntu/ -- -S", but it doesn't work
[18:28] <maxb> I think I'd be inclined to resort to a symlin
[18:28] <maxb> * symlink
[18:51] <kermit666> ok, solved it using dpkg-buildpackage
[18:52] <kermit666> it supports cd-ing to a different path inside the source repo. I reported this as a bzr-builddeb bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr-builddeb/+bug/1192291


[06:31] <flocculant> bluesabre: so now we've got people complaining that numlockx is on (laptops) in the original report there was some laptop-detect=0 comment - there's some comment about laptop-detect in this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734701
[06:31] <flocculant> anyway - got the user on the forum to report it to x-d-s
[06:43] <flocculant> flexiondotorg: did you know you're affected by bug 1754836
[06:43] <flexiondotorg> flocculant: Looking now...
[06:45] <flocculant> flexiondotorg: I didn't do an actual usb install of Mate, but I expect it'd be the same there as for us
[06:46] <flexiondotorg> I'll have to test. But I've not knowingly encountered this issue.
[06:46] <flexiondotorg> We did have boot delays due to seeding snaps, but those issues are resolved.
[06:47] <flocculant> flexiondotorg: I just tried it in qemu - to check .xsession-errors and there it is 3 25s timeouts
[08:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: please pull in the latest elementary-xfce commit to xubuntu-artwork too, need that for the CSD icons to be fixed
[10:13] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [bionic] r337 Update elementary-xfce window manager icons from d823986... (by Sean Davis)
[11:07] <tomreyn> hi! is https://xubuntu.org/news/testing-for-xubuntu/ still as much of a problem?
[11:07] <tomreyn> (i'd be happy to spend some time testing if needed.)
[11:26] <flocculant> tomreyn: it's been a problem since April 2014 ;)
[11:26] <flocculant> for some reason community involvement just after 14.04 released went belly up
[11:26] <flocculant> s/with testing
[11:27] <flocculant> tomreyn: what we (Dev and QA) are mostly after is testing of Xubuntu Dev during the 6 month cycle prior to release
[11:27] <flocculant> though of course testing iso's at milestones has it's role too
[12:30] <bluesabre> Unit193: what's the standard versioning scheme for packages with a git snapshot?
[12:31] <bluesabre> Looking to do a greybird 3.22.7 + 031f985
[12:33] <bluesabre> I'd just do it as a patch, but pngs
[12:34] <flocculant> hi bluesabre
[12:34] <bluesabre> hi flocculant
[12:34] <bluesabre> how's it going?
[12:34] <flocculant> pretty good thanks :)
[12:35] <flocculant> got people complaining about numlockx :d
[12:35] <bluesabre> Saw that
[12:35] <flocculant> and I found the blueman thing in mate ;)
[12:35] <bluesabre> Guess I'll need to tweak our script
[12:35] <bluesabre> and that's good news
[12:35] <bluesabre> (means it will probably get looked at)
[12:36] <flocculant> yea - wasn't sure about that laptop-detect thing in the original numlock report - but I guess
[12:36] <bluesabre> flocculant: you have a desktop?
[12:36] <flocculant> and yea re the timeout jibel is looking at some 'timeout/long boot things'
[12:37] <flocculant> I do have desktop
[12:37] <bluesabre> what does...
[12:37] <bluesabre> laptop-detect
[12:37] <bluesabre> echo $?
[12:37] <bluesabre> get you?
[12:37] <bluesabre> I have a laptop and it returns 0
[12:38] <bluesabre> looking at the manpage, that seems right
[12:38] <tomreyn> thanks for your feedback, flocculant. maybe it would be a good idea to have a tiny utility integrated into xubuntu by default which allows users to opt-in to receiving your calls for testing / reminders
[12:38] <bluesabre> so flocculant, you should get 1 from that echo
[12:38] <flocculant> bluesabre: how do I run that ?
[12:39] <flocculant> laptop-detect gives nothing
[12:39] <bluesabre> flocculant: right, it sets a return code, that "echo $?" gives you that return code
[12:40] <flocculant> laptop-detect echo $ gives me unknown option
[12:40] <tomreyn> flocculant: i suspect that a relevant fraction of users are usually happy to help testing but may need (and expect to be provided with) a reminder when to do so. the same probably goes for donations, if needed.
[12:40] <bluesabre> two lines :)
[12:40] <bluesabre> here
[12:40] <bluesabre> laptop-detect; echo $?;
[12:41] <flocculant> 1
[12:41] <flocculant> :D
[12:41] <flocculant> tomreyn: I agree - but I'd not want to have some thing installed which let us ping people ...
[12:42] <tomreyn> flocculant: just those who opted in to it. why not?
[12:42] <bluesabre> flocculant: cool, so since that works like I'd expect, I'll add that to our script
[12:42] <flocculant> I'd say that given we use mailing lists/social media and launchpad we've pretty much covered people who want to be part of the community
[12:42] <flocculant> tomreyn: ^^
[12:42] <flocculant> bluesabre: ack
[12:43] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll get rid of the lightdm script I added locally ages ago so I'm using 'ours' then wait to see update - then make sure it works
[12:44] <flocculant> I'll also ping the user in the forum about it too
[12:44] <flocculant> tomreyn: we can lead people to water ... ;) seemingly it takes whinges to make people take notice - sadly
[12:45] <tomreyn> flocculant: personally, i'd not want to "be part of the community", i'd be happy to provide occasional (say twice a year) test feedback on specific tasks. that's because i like using xubuntu, and want to support it going forward, but also my spare time is too valuable to make me want to engage with the project in a general sense (i.e. joining a community)
[12:45] <flocculant> tomreyn: you read the blog post - responded - part of the community ;)
[12:45] <tomreyn> (and i suspect i'm not alone in this take on things)
[12:46] <tomreyn> well, that was merely accidential, i guess.
[12:47] <tomreyn> i was wondering which new features will be available in 18.04. but obviously it's too late now to make any impact.
[12:48] <tomreyn> i do understand that maintaining multiple communication channels in parallell is a taxing task for a volunteer run project (i assume that's what xubuntu is).
[12:54] <flocculant> tomreyn: https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes
[12:54] <flocculant> and yea - definitely a volunteer project :)
[14:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: thanks, i can do stable releases before final freeze
[14:19] <knome> privacy is a sensitive are
[14:19] <knome> area too.
[14:44] <flocculant> well yea
[15:27] <flocculant> ninetls: odd issue with sn plugin and dropbox icon xfce 14297
[16:48] <ali1234> hmm that reminds me of something
[16:52] <ali1234> indicator spec defines three events: menu, primary, secondary
[16:53] <ali1234> there is no consistency of what those events mean though
[16:53] <ali1234> and some desktops don't send all of them
[17:43] <slickymaster> knome, checked your slideshow branch
[17:43] <slickymaster> I like it, and my position is to go ahead with it
[18:22] <ninetls> flocculant: yes, I noticed that too when investigated dropbox this week
[18:23] <ninetls> it provides 2 menus: middle click activates its internal menu, left click activates native menu. they even look different.
[20:32] <ochosi> gah, missed willem by a few secs
[21:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: Usually what you see in configure.ac, and either bump up for the git snapshot (if it has the current version there), or drop back (if it has the next version, as Xfce usually does.)  So in your case 3.22.7+git20180324.031f985-0ubuntu1
[21:10] <Unit193> With numlockx, what if it's a laptop but docked? :3
[21:13] <Unit193> (And for dropbox, if you left click, click away, then right click it works. :P)
[21:24] <flocculant> Unit193: so what we're saying is that eventually any click you like :p
[21:25] <flocculant> ninetls: ack - thanks


[04:18] <lifeless> jml: ping?
[04:19] <dhillon-v10> hi all, hope everyone is doing good, I am working on this spec here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad-answers/+spec/automatic-reply and Francis told me to talk to people here, so what do you guys think
[04:55] <lifeless> dhillon-v10: I suggest the mailing list is an even better place to ddiscuss during the weekend many folk won't be around here.
[05:03] <dhillon-v10> lifeless: I did mail the list, but will do again, I guess that's a better place to discuss this and may be on a metting :)
[08:22] <jml> lifeless, hello
[08:22] <jml> lifeless, I've just arrived home
[14:23] <lifeless> jml: welcome home
[19:58] <_Groo_> dput upload is coming to a crawl... does launchpad accepts http instead of ftp?
[19:58] <_Groo_> hi/2 all