[06:48] <Skif> Dreamer3: *shrug* cyrus is really pretty easy to get running, but ymmv
[06:48] <crimsun> wliu: not offhand; I've always used cdrecord directly.
[06:48] <Dreamer3> Skif: i like the ability to jump computers and mail clients on a whim
[06:48] <crimsun> wliu: have you checked bugzilla?
[06:48] <wliu> crimsun: nope
[06:48] <Dreamer3> Skif: i have no doubt i could get it running in 5 minutes, it's just getting getmail/fetch mail to work with it (no local is really needed)
[06:48] <Skif> Dreamer3: me too, that's why I put it all on IMAP.
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> does arrar4 have a graphical install ?
[06:50] <thundrcleeze> Can someone point me to some directions as to how to install cedega from source?
[06:50] <billytwowilly> hmm. why is bchunk outputting .ugh files instead of .iso?
[06:50] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: #cedega
[06:50] <regeya> anything is on-topic unless it involves cedega
[06:50] <thundrcleeze> Thanks.
[06:51] <nuuB> is there a more approriate place than this chat room for a novice such as myself to get some help?
[06:51] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[06:51] <Dreamer3> Skif: how do you deliver mail to cyrus? smtp?
[06:52] <Skif> dreamer: LMTP, actually
[06:52] <Skif> There ought to be a command-line lmtp injector somewhere for cyrus
[06:53] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmm
[06:54] <slave> HEllo all !
[06:54] <Dreamer3> printing and mtas are two things on linux i've never gotten to
[06:54] <Dreamer3> but printing is high on list
[06:55] <wliu> crimsun: do you think if i installed xcdroast it would do it right?
[06:56] <slave> I try to start nfs server "sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart" but command doesn't exist, please help ?
[06:56] <crimsun> wliu: no idea, like I said, I use cdrecord directly.
[06:58] <eskilo> which is the "most secure", sha1 sha256 md5 ripemd160 ??
[06:58] <billytwowilly> hmm. in the .cue there are three tracks and bchunk is making 3 isos out of it.
[06:58] <crimsun> eskilo: not really a good question.
[06:58] <billytwowilly> how do I get this to make the .bin .cue into one iso?
[06:58] <Tomcat_> md5 is quite unsecure though I think.
[06:59] <Skif> eskilo: what do you mean by "most secure"?
[06:59] <Tomcat_> *insecure
[06:59] <crimsun> eskilo: sha256 is passably stronger than sha1
[06:59] <crimsun> Tomcat_: I wouldn't call it insecure at all.
[06:59] <eskilo> most secure seems extremely straightforward to me..
[06:59] <eskilo> for a given key size, which one is hardest to crack..
[07:00] <Tomcat_> Well the chance that you can force a collision is much higher in MD5...
[07:00] <Tomcat_> Of course they're all more or less on the same security level.
[07:00] <crimsun> Tomcat_: higher than...?
[07:00] <Tomcat_> crimsun: Much higher than before they were able to do it :)
[07:01] <eskilo> why do people make things like md5 if sha1 is better?
[07:01] <crimsun> eskilo: increased bits doesn't necessarily indicate stronger security. At all.
[07:01] <Skif> SHA-1 has a slightly lower collision rate than MD5, IIRC
[07:01] <eskilo> for a given algorithm it does
[07:01] <Skif> eskilo: 'coz md5 is about 5 times faster
[07:01] <Skif> and sometimes you don't mind
[07:02] <eskilo> i guess i should ask, which algorithm has the best ratio of check time vs. crack time..
[07:02] <crimsun> eskilo: step back for a second and consider the fact that security is invasive. If someone truly wants it, there's nothing stopping him/her from obtaining it.
[07:02] <eskilo> that's silly
[07:02] <Skif> eskilo: computer security is all about how hard you want them to work for it
[07:02] <eskilo> you can encrypt things such that all the compuers on earth couldn't crack them in a million years.
[07:02] <rempresent> i need to convert a .mov to an .avi, what can i use to do that?
[07:02] <crimsun> eskilo: that is our _hope_, not reality.
[07:02] <eskilo> that's a reality.
[07:03] <crimsun> ok, I can tell this is going to be pointless.
[07:03] <Skif> eskilo: even if you could, it's still crackable.  It's all about tradeoffs-- time vs. space vs. recoverability
[07:03] <eskilo> you can encrypt things such that even if every atom in the universe was trying to crack them at the rate of atomic vibrations, it would take billions ofy ears.
[07:03] <wliu> crimsun: heh, cdrecord doesn't support DVD burning it says.
[07:03] <crimsun> wliu: you need -pro or whatever
[07:03] <Skif> eskilo: I'd ask how, but I'm afraid you will tell me.  The fact is, we're not there yet.
[07:03] <eskilo> is anyone here using off-the-record encryption on your im?
[07:04] <crimsun> wliu: or whatever the dvdrtools equiv is
[07:04] <redrum> crimsun: no sound still, but sometimes when i click things in the gui, i hear a slight 'click' in the speakers.
[07:05] <eskilo> Skif:  make a key such that 10^the_number_of_digits_in_that_key is greater than the number of atomic vibrations that would occur in the universe in a few billion years.
[07:05] <eskilo> easy as pie.
[07:05] <crimsun> the only algorithm that is "uncrackable" is the one-time pad. And if you ever reuse it, poof, there goes your "uncrackability."
[07:05] <crimsun> eskilo: and what happens in a (few billion years)+1?
[07:06] <eskilo> the nsa comes for you.
[07:06] <zenwhen> I cant figure it out
[07:06] <rempresent> anyone know how i can turn a .mov to a .avi?
[07:06] <zenwhen> apt wants to remove every single x based app
[07:06] <crimsun> rempresent: use mencoder
[07:06] <zenwhen> in order to upgrade to hoary
[07:06] <Dreamer3> crimsun: that's someone elses problem :)
[07:06] <rempresent> mencoder... thanks
[07:06] <zenwhen> and its not installing gnome back
[07:06] <wliu> crimsun: dvd+rw-tools is in synaptic.  do you think this'll do it?
[07:07] <zenwhen> I suppose I cant upgrade to hoary for some reason.
[07:07] <crimsun> Dreamer3: encryption is not the end-all solution, as bruce schneier finally paraphrased.
[07:08] <linuxn00b> I can't boot into ubuntu after running "reiserfsck --rebuild-tree -S /dev/hda1" in knoppix :s
[07:08] <crimsun> wliu: iirc, that only blanks but doesn't actually record
[07:08] <zenwhen> is hoarys gnome made up of a lot less packages or something?
[07:08] <bubbanga> is there a program that will play asf and asx streaming video from websites?
[07:08] <Dreamer3> hmmm, i still like xfce, but kinda feels good to be back in gnome
[07:09] <crimsun> bubbanga: mplayer. Try the mozilla plugin for mplayer.
[07:09] <crimsun> zenwhen: more.
[07:09] <bubbanga> i have
[07:09] <crimsun> zenwhen: and it'll remove XFree86 to install X.Org as necessary.
[07:09] <zenwhen> Wow
[07:09] <zenwhen> Well
[07:09] <bubbanga> but
[07:09] <zenwhen> I can;t upgrade then
[07:10] <Dreamer3> are there ubuntu US mirros?
[07:10] <bubbanga> when i click on the link it trys to either open with specified program
[07:10] <crimsun> zenwhen: ...because?
[07:10] <bubbanga> or save
[07:10] <guest> apt-get install acroread-plugin does not work (I have uncommented warty universe). What could be wrong?
[07:10] <zenwhen> because it wants to remove gnome, and al of my apps and not just upgrade them.
[07:10] <bubbanga> not using the plugin for some reason
[07:10] <bubbanga> all other media plays fine with the mplayer plugin
[07:10] <crimsun> zenwhen: aren't you using dist-upgrade?
[07:10] <zenwhen> is smart upgrade in synaptic the same thing?
[07:10] <crimsun> bubbanga: have you consulted the documentation for the plugin?
[07:10] <Dreamer3> found them
[07:10] <crimsun> zenwhen: yes
[07:11] <zenwhen> well then as I said
[07:11] <bubbanga> umm yeah
[07:11] <zenwhen> It wants to remove gnome.
[07:11] <zenwhen> And nearly every app.
[07:12] <crimsun> zenwhen: you uninstalled all backports, etc., first, correct?
[07:12] <zenwhen> yes, it wants to remove every single x based applicatoion on my machine.
[07:12] <crimsun> zenwhen: and you _only_ have hoary deb lines, correct?
[07:12] <crimsun> (and of course updated)
[07:12] <zenwhen> you mean one backport can stop gnome from being able to be installed?
[07:12] <regeya> huh?
[07:12] <crimsun> depending on how poorly it's versioned, it's possible.
[07:12] <zenwhen> oh
[07:13] <zenwhen> well then I cant test :(
[07:14] <crimsun> why not?
[07:14] <zenwhen> I cant be bothered to format yet, and wont dig through every single package
[07:14] <crimsun> guest: it's not in universe; it's in multiverse.
[07:14] <zenwhen> looking for some tiny versioning error
[07:14] <crimsun> zenwhen: it should be fairly simple to remember which backports you've installed.
[07:14] <crimsun> when in doubt, pencil+paper.
[07:15] <zenwhen> I wish it could just fix it
[07:15] <crimsun> guest: look at ,,apt-cache policy acroread-plugin''
[07:15] <zenwhen> I installed a lot of backports.
[07:15] <crimsun> now you understand why ubuntu devels recommend strongly against them.
[07:15] <zenwhen> I also installed debs from debian. I figured an upgrade might work but I guess I have to reinstall.
[07:16] <zenwhen> well I strongly want newer software than was being offered.
[07:16] <zenwhen> I am not aksing anyone to fix it.
[07:16] <zenwhen> But thanks for the info.
[07:16] <zenwhen> asking*
[07:17] <crimsun> regeya: no need to reinstall. Just uninstall the backports and dist-upgrade to hoary.
[07:17] <redrum> anyone know how to install seti@home?
[07:17] <regeya> I see.  So, then, all those packages that were installed when I brazenly added ubuntu-bp to my sources-list and dist-upgraded will be easy to track down, eh? ;-)
[07:17] <nuuB> is there a more approriate place than this chat room for a novice such as myself to get some help?
[07:18] <regeya> no lectures, please; I knew I was causing a mess
[07:18] <regeya> it was either install things on my own or run Debian Unstable.
[07:18] <crimsun> regeya: yes, they are fairly easy to track down given the use of apt-cache and a web browser.
[07:18] <regeya> web browser...
[07:18] <regeya> ...
[07:18] <zenwhen> wow, I was excited about using hoary too
[07:18] <zenwhen> :(
[07:19] <zenwhen> ths sucks
[07:19] <crimsun> the other alternative was to ask ubuntu members who are familiar with correct versioning to build _proper_ backports.
[07:19] <redrum> how do i do an apt-cache search? say I wanted to search for 'seti', what would i put in  'apt-cache search <here>'?
[07:19] <zenwhen> well one of this solves the current issue we are facing.
[07:19] <crimsun> redrum: put what you want to search for.
[07:19] <FLeiXiuS`> zenwhen: it's going to remove gnome due to the upgrade to xorg,  It's simply has to reinstall the neccessary credentials in order to procede to a safe install.
[07:20] <wliu> crimsun: yey, installing dvd+rw-tools made nautilus happy.  thanks for all your help.
[07:20] <zenwhen> FLeiXiuS`, and every app I use?
[07:20] <redrum> crimsun: why does so much unrelated stuff come back?
[07:20] <crimsun> zenwhen: no, I gave you a pointer. Use apt-cache and your favourite web browser to deduce which packages to uninstall.
[07:20] <FLeiXiuS`> zenwhen: that is correct
[07:20] <regeya> zenwhen: one of the only things I don't like about dealing with certain people is the condescending attitude.  I guess we were supposed to be *happy* with a few broken proggys until the next release. :-P
[07:20] <FLeiXiuS`> zenwhen: How are you going about upgrading to hoary, out of curiosity
[07:21] <zenwhen> With the array 4 instal cd
[07:21] <zenwhen> install*
[07:21] <crimsun> I obviously can't tell you precisely _which_ packages to uninstall, because I have no idea which you installed.
[07:21] <nuuB> will someone please answer me, i'm just a novice trying to learn and if noone in here wants to help then at least point me to someplace that will
[07:21] <FLeiXiuS`> zenwhen: Oh well it was always much easier to just change the warty's in /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary :-P.  Then let apt do the upgrades for you
[07:22] <crimsun> nuuB: have you established that you can resolve hostnames?
[07:22] <zenwhen> FLeiXiuS`,  dont have the option
[07:22] <crimsun> nuuB: does ,,ip a'' show your modem interface has a real ip?
[07:22] <zenwhen> I am on dialup
[07:22] <eskilo> how long should it take to generate keys with 4096 bits?
[07:22] <eskilo> like ten minutes?
[07:22] <crimsun> eskilo: took 10 minutes on a P4 2.4
[07:22] <eskilo> i'm on 900mhz.
[07:22] <eskilo> hah!  you did 4096 you nut. :)
[07:23] <wliu> does anyone know if VMware running windows will recognize my hardware if my hardware isn't recognized on linux?
[07:23] <crimsun> eskilo: I have 8192 ones, too.
[07:23] <crimsun> I like draining my entropy pools.
[07:23] <nuuB> i will check
[07:23] <zenwhen> i just dotn understand why having a backport installed would cause apt to not want to install gnome.
[07:23] <zenwhen> It just so annoying.
[07:23] <zenwhen> don't*
[07:24] <nuuB> "dev argument is required"
[07:24] <crimsun> zenwhen: it's _possible_ that it's the cause. It's not _definitely_ the cause.
[07:24] <eskilo> the nice thing is that the ratio of cpu power needed to crack/encode increases exponentially with increasing computing power.
[07:24] <zenwhen> Its everything to do with X.
[07:24] <zenwhen> Not just gnome.
[07:24] <zenwhen> kde apps are being removed too.
[07:25] <crimsun> zenwhen: what is your estimation of pure ubuntu packages on your machine?
[07:25] <zenwhen> but some gnome apps are bign upgraded. Oh well. This is too much of a mess.
[07:25] <zenwhen> being*
[07:25] <crimsun> and are you pinning?
[07:25] <zenwhen> crimsun, I installed a few backports. Mainly internet related stuff like Firefox and the like. Gaim, Chat...
[07:25] <zenwhen> Xchat...
[07:26] <zenwhen> But some more too
[07:26] <zenwhen> random stuff
[07:26] <zenwhen> Gxine
[07:26] <zenwhen> It really is too much to undo but thanks for your help.
[07:26] <crimsun> I testify that it is 100% possible to maintain a smooth sid+experimental+hoary system, updated and dist-upgraded daily, with the use of pinning.
[07:26] <zenwhen> Ill just wait for the final release and format.
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> crimsun: but for a 'normal' user
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> it's not a very good idea
[07:28] <wliu> does anyone know how i can mount my ntfs partition as read/write?  i changed the 'ro' to 'rw' in fstab and remounted by i still can't modify anything in that partition
[07:28] <crimsun> HrdwrBoB: god no, it's horrific, and I recommend strongly against it.
[07:28] <nuuB> crimsun: i typed "ip a ''" but it wanted more info - it said dev argument is required
[07:29] <crimsun> nuuB: no, just: ip a
[07:29] <jdub> wliu: rw is not supported, because with the current drivers, you will wreck your partition
[07:29] <jdub> wliu: you may want to try the 'ntfs captive' stuff
[07:30] <bitfoo> i was just debating if i should sell my lappy and get a powerbook but they are way too expensive :|
[07:31] <nuuB> crimson: ok, i ran it, what info am i looking for?
[07:31] <crimsun> nuuB: ppp0?
[07:34] <nuuB> crimsun: it has 3 entries, lo, eth0, and sit0
[07:36] <crimsun> lunitik: in hoary?
[07:36] <lunitik> crimsun: yeah
[07:36] <crimsun> lunitik: lamont removed that silly xmms dependency in mplayer-nogui iirc.
[07:36] <crimsun> nuuB: your modem sits behind eth0?
[07:39] <nuuB> yes
[07:39] <LucidVisions> Hello all, Hey, so is it ok to install the normal wine and crossover office also?
[07:39] <crimsun> nuuB: does it have a globally-unique ip address?
[07:39] <LucidVisions> will it cause problems if i install both?
[07:40] <crimsun> LucidVisions: it's ok. Install them in separate locations.
[07:40] <LucidVisions> crimsun: very cool,
[07:41] <LucidVisions> I was worried that they might confilct, so ill go ahead then..
[07:41] <zenwhen> jdong can shove his stupid backports up his ass
[07:41] <nuuB> crimsun: i do not understand what you mean by "globally unique ip address" - it is a us robotics external serial modem and i have dialup
[07:42] <Hegge`> how can i set up my network in ubuntu
[07:42] <Hegge`> ??
[07:42] <crimsun> nuuB: it means an ip address.
[07:42] <KlaasVaag> Hegge`, what part of it?
[07:42] <nuuB> i assigned the ubuntu machine with <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:42] <Hegge`> i out in a new card
[07:43] <Hegge`> how can i configure it
[07:43] <Hegge`> whats ubuntus dhcp client?
[07:43] <KlaasVaag> configure it in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:43] <Hegge`> it has been configured right
[07:43] <Hegge`> i just can get out on the net
[07:43] <Hegge`> but i can use it in gentoo
[07:43] <Hegge`> :P
[07:44] <Hegge`> on my other computer..
[07:44] <KlaasVaag> Hegge`, i have no idea what your problem is.. could you say it again?
[07:44] <Hegge`> i cant get the network up an running
[07:44] <KlaasVaag> you need to configure your networkcard which is already configured correctly?
[07:45] <Hegge`> its configured correctly
[07:45] <Hegge`> but i wonder if there are any know problems around this area?
[07:45] <KlaasVaag> Hegge`, not that i know of
[07:45] <Hegge`> okay
[07:45] <Hegge`> what is ubuntus dhcp client
[07:45] <Hegge`> ?
[07:45] <zenwhen> ubuntu-desktop:
[07:45] <zenwhen>  Depends: synaptic but it is not going to be installed
[07:45] <zenwhen>  Depends: update-notifier but it is not going to be installed
[07:45] <crimsun> Hegge`: standard isc dhclient v3
[07:45] <zenwhen> why arent those on the cd?
[07:45] <KlaasVaag> dhclient i believe
[07:46] <Hegge`> ok
[07:47] <Hegge`> ty :D
[07:47] <Hegge`> got it now
[07:47] <KlaasVaag> :)
[07:47] <Hegge`> didnt wanna reboot
[07:47] <Hegge`> its a 100mhz
[07:47] <Hegge`> whit edu ram
[07:47] <nuuB> crimsun: i assigned the ubuntu machine with <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:48] <Hegge`> KlaasVaag : do u have any idea how i can get rid of evry thing that has whit gnome and xfree to do? , im installing xorg
[07:49] <Hegge`> anyways .. brb
[07:49] <Dreamer3> what is everyone using instea dof procmail these days?
[07:49] <Dreamer3> i just need something quick and dirty that can take mail from getmail and hand it off to cyrus via lmtp
[07:50] <Dreamer3> ah, maildrop
[07:51] <Dreamer3> well, maildrop doesn't do lmtp :)
[07:52] <crimsun> nuuB: can you successfully ping a hostname like www.yahoo.com ?
[07:52] <bluefoxicy> is it possible and sane to upgrade from woody to warty?
[07:52] <lunitik> bluefoxicy: yes
[07:53] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: former: yes. latter: questionable, but yes.
[07:53] <bluefoxicy> what about sarge
[07:53] <lunitik> add 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse' to your sources.list, and 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-base'
[07:54] <smo> As always, it's wiki'd .. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes
[07:54] <bluefoxicy> this guy apparently added some stuff from sarge
[07:54] <bitfoo> sarge!?
[07:54] <bluefoxicy> which broke his woody
[07:54] <KlaasVaag> bluefoxicy, if you like receiving a lot of upgrades every day.. yes ;)
[07:54] <bitfoo> i thought i broke my woody once :(
[07:54] <crimsun> sarge will probably be newer than warty for many packages
[07:54] <bluefoxicy> KlaasVaag:  no, I meant to warty from woody plus whatever came with sarge's firefox
[07:54] <lunitik> KlaasVaag: warty gets very few upgrades... its stable  :/
[07:54] <nuuB> crimsun: i must disconnect from here to try it
[07:54] <lunitik> stable + frozen
[07:55] <bitfoo> i tried archlinux today
[07:55] <bitfoo> but it was really really hard :|
[07:55] <lunitik> bitfoo: good job?
[07:55] <KlaasVaag> bluefoxicy, you are right.. i misread.. i considered this an upgrade from warty -> hoary
[07:55] <bitfoo> ubuntu is the nice ;D
[07:55] <KlaasVaag> its 8 am, and i didnt sleep yet
[07:55] <lunitik> bluefoxicy: do what I said and come back if you have issues  :)
[07:56] <zenwhen> crimsun,
[07:56] <inc_> sup room
[07:56] <crimsun> zenwhen: yes?
 Bsically other than DRASTIC sweeping changes.
[07:56] <zenwhen> I found the issue. Ubuntu-desktop cant be installed because of the synaptic backport and the synaptic backport cant be remnoved without everything else in the world.
 seeing as it's broken, you could just keep both pieces
[07:56] <bluefoxicy> :)
[07:57] <zenwhen> is there a way to revert it
[07:57] <zenwhen> :(
[07:57] <crimsun> zenwhen: should force a downgrade then with --force-depends
[07:57] <inc_> crimsun, thanks again for getting my sound working
[07:57] <crimsun> inc_: np at all.
[07:57] <zenwhen> crimsun, I am sorry. I don't understand.
[07:58] <inc_> i can play cds no prob, but i think gstreamer doesn't like my sound card or something cuase i can't play mp3s
[07:58] <zenwhen> I should use --force-depends as a part of what command?
[07:58] <lunitik> crimsun: why not --force-downgrade?
[07:58] <lunitik> zenwhen: dpkg -i
[07:58] <zenwhen> on what
[07:59] <crimsun> zenwhen: sudo aptitude install synaptic=0.53.4-1ubuntu4
[07:59] <zenwhen> am I supposed to be installing another synaptic?
[07:59] <crimsun> zenwhen: make sure that you have a warty/main line
[07:59] <zenwhen> thank you crimsun
[07:59] <KlaasVaag> inc_, ifaik ubuntu does not support mp3 by default..
[08:00] <zenwhen> if this allows me to upgrade I may kiss you
[08:00] <crimsun> lunitik: depends on how broken his dependencies are.
[08:00] <bluefoxicy> haha
[08:00] <bluefoxicy> I'm the king of making up crap as i go along.
[08:00] <crimsun> inc_: please see /wiki/RestrictedFormats for 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[08:00] <KlaasVaag> inc_, im quite sure this is explained in the wiki
[08:00] <inc_> yeah i installed the gstreammer 8 mad
 Apt was only designed to go forwards, not backwards.  It's therefore exceedingly difficult and usually unpleasant to go backwards, also potentially destructive, kind of like vomiting.
 the debian developers are quite taken to releasing a stable release once it's stable, i.e. once they've spent 10 months testing every piece of software and fixing anything that breaks.  If something breaks later, they find the fix in the new version and move it back to the old version to avoid breaking anything else
 hence, they never really saw a need to actually go back to an older version of anything
[08:00] <nuuBE> crimsun: i pinged www.yahoo.com and one of my isp's name servers by ip - the yahoo attempt returned nothing, and the name server attempt made and effort and said "host unreachable"
[08:01] <crimsun> nuuBE: doesn't appear that networking was configured properly then.
[08:01] <gobeavs> If I am running KDE and switched the appropriate settings to use it (sound: OSS --> arts) if I go back to GNOME will it have my previous settings or my KDE settings?
[08:02] <inc_> i have the gstreamer properties open but none of the options work in test
[08:02] <crimsun> inc_: is esd running? pgrep esd
[08:02] <lunitik> gobeavs: depends... did gstreamer-properties take the change?
[08:03] <redrum> i just upgraded to 'hoary'.  when i go to open up the 'music player' i get an error message - '...Couldn't initialize scheduler...'
[08:03] <gobeavs> yes
[08:03] <inc_> guess not.. not respons when i run that
[08:03] <zenwhen> crimsun, I understand why the backports annoy you guys so much now
[08:03] <zenwhen> >:(
[08:03] <redrum> same with totem...
[08:03] <gobeavs> lunitik: but I assume it would be easy to switch back?
[08:03] <redrum> err diff error but doesn't open
[08:03] <lunitik> gobeavs: umm... yeah... you just choose something different...
[08:04] <gobeavs> lun: ok :D
[08:04] <crimsun> redrum: please check if the test functions in gstreamer-properties work
[08:04] <thu> just curious.. do Debian unstable packages Just Work on Ubuntu?
[08:04] <gobeavs> also, would it be worth it to upgrade to hoary? How unstable is it?
[08:04] <crimsun> thu: sometimes. highly unrecommended.
[08:04] <bitfoo> i havent had it crash yet :/
[08:05] <redrum> crimsun: clicking 'test' crashes the program
[08:05] <inc_> bitfoo: 5...4..3.. lol
[08:06] <KlaasVaag> i've had several..
[08:06] <lunitik> gobeavs: fairly stable... only had 2 major issues since I switched... and I've been using since it started getting work...
[08:06] <KlaasVaag> al very reproducible..
[08:06] <bluefoxicy> tcpdump, netstat, finger, dpkg, apt, they all work and look the same in woody as in ubuntu warty and in sarge, right?
[08:06] <gobeavs> lunitik: ok...thanks
[08:07] <KlaasVaag> when i try to unmount an automatically mounted usbdevice it freezes
[08:07] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: nearly.
[08:07] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: for the most part, they're "close enough" if indistinguishable. Now Hoary is another story altogether...
 for a COURSE whre i'm being MARKED
 so if the output from a woody program is different from a sarge program
 i will lose marks
[08:07] <KlaasVaag> maybe anyone has an idea how this can be prevented?
[08:08] <lunitik> KlaasVaag: other than "don't unmount it"?  :P
[08:08] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  just in dpkg right
[08:08] <KlaasVaag> lunitik, i was jast going to say that :)
[08:08] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  with the signature checking?
[08:08] <KlaasVaag> s\jast\just
[08:09] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: among others, but they're implementation-specific. The respective changelogs will be helpful.
[08:09] <inc_> so how does one get esd to work ?
[08:09] <crimsun> inc_: are source and sink both set to esd*?
[08:11] <inc_> yeah but i get an erro
[08:11] <gobeavs> I could just be dumb...but does ubuntulinux.org not have a hoary download?
[08:11] <KlaasVaag> probably the first :P
[08:11] <inc_> if i set it to oss i get  OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program
[08:11] <gobeavs> :-O! :D
[08:12] <KlaasVaag> http://www.google.nl/search?q=hoary+download+site%3Aubuntulinux.org&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[08:12] <KlaasVaag> owh.. that was for you, gobeavs  :)
[08:13] <gobeavs> ah, thank you KlaasVaag :D
[08:14] <crimsun> inc_: lsof /dev/dsp*
[08:14] <KlaasVaag> what a help google can be :)
[08:15] <nuuBE> crimsun: i just tried to find networking docs on the ubuntu website but only found a pointer to "Computer->System Configuration->Networking" - where can i find docs to help me get networking configured properly?
[08:16] <crimsun> nuuBE: tried wvdial directly?
[08:18] <crimsun> nuuBE: have you read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto ?
[08:19] <crimsun> apologies, but work calls again.
[08:20] <nuuBE> crimsun: yes, i followed the dialup modem howto tutorial to get the modem to work - it connects with pon and disconnects with poff successfully
[08:21] <nuuBE> crimsun: i have not tried wvdial (unless that is used in the pon) - i will need to look that up
[08:21] <inc_> crimsun: http://minimzx.com/lsof.txt
[08:24] <eskilo> why can't enigmail encrypt html messages?  that's ridiculous.
[08:25] <redrum> crimsun: now when i run gstreamer-properties and click 'test', i get an error - 'Failed to construct test pipeline for...'
[08:26] <inc_> same here redrum
[08:26] <redrum> hmm. no sound, no video
[08:26] <inc_> i got video and sound work from cds but not mp3s
[08:27] <eskilo> you still use mp3?
[08:27] <lunitik> inc_: enable universe and 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad'
[08:28] <inc_> already done that
[08:28] <lunitik> inc_: kick it harder?
[08:28] <redrum> same here

[08:28] <inc_> lol
[08:29] <inc_> eskilo: too many mp3 to convert lol
[08:31] <zenwhen> oh no
[08:31] <zenwhen> my upgrade froze
[08:31] <zenwhen> /etc/X11/XF86Config
[08:31] <zenwhen> danging
[08:31] <zenwhen> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:31] <zenwhen>  /cdrom//pool/main/g/gimp/gimp-data_2.2.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb
[08:31] <zenwhen> Failed to apply all changes! Scroll in this buffer to see what went wrong
[08:31] <kakalto> how can I replace a system icon with a custom one?
[08:32] <meuwe> everybody, i was install kdevelop with synaptics, it was done but, i have a trouble with it, kdevelop can't runing.. :(
[08:32] <zenwhen> is my system screwed now?
[08:32] <thu> (Y)es, (S)ure, (B)etcha
[08:32] <inc_> rm -rf / lol
[08:32] <zenwhen> haha
[08:32] <zenwhen> are you two comedians?
[08:33] <zenwhen> its seems as though you might be
[08:33] <inc_> :( no
[08:33] <zenwhen> because you are so darn funny
[08:33] <meuwe> any body help me..??
[08:34] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, reinstall it?
[08:34] <inc_> what did it say when u scrolled in the buffer?
[08:34] <KlaasVaag> probably wont work, but worth trying
[08:35] <inc_> kdevlop.. does that require kde?
[08:35] <KlaasVaag> probably at least some of the libraries..
[08:35] <kakalto> zenwhen, you're not screwed yet
[08:35] <kakalto> reboot, then you're screwed.
[08:36] <steve_> does anyone know how I can play .wma extension files in linux
[08:36] <zenwhen> I just restarted the upgrade process
[08:36] <zenwhen> lol
[08:36] <meuwe> KlassVaag, i was reinstall but it isn't work... :(
[08:36] <Dreamer3> cool
[08:36] <steve_> I thought the divx codec would work
[08:36] <Dreamer3> i think i can have getmail call cyrdeliver directly
[08:36] <kakalto> steve_, you apt-get w32codecs?
[08:36] <zenwhen> I will either be running hoary in the next hour or destroy my install
[08:36] <zenwhen> OR BOTH
[08:36] <zenwhen> :)
[08:36] <steve_> believe it or not, I have those
[08:36] <lunitik> kakalto: that only has mpg of any use...
[08:36] <steve_> I will reinstall I guess
[08:36] <kakalto> does anyone know how I can replace my rubbish bin icon?
[08:37] <kakalto> lunitik, ok.
[08:37] <kakalto> steve_, don't use wma.
[08:37] <lunitik> kakalto: installs 'essential', not 'all'... (which coincidentally what I have installed  :)
[08:37] <meuwe> KlassVaag, i must install kde ??
[08:37] <kakalto> convert it to mp3
[08:37] <steve_> why
[08:37] <kakalto> wma is crap
[08:37] <steve_> ok
[08:37] <redrum> i picked a couple different options in gstreamer-properties, and i got the tests to 'run' with 'OSS - Open Sound System' selected, but no sound came out
[08:37] <kakalto> :P
[08:37] <steve_> this is for video
[08:37] <kakalto> oh
[08:37] <steve_> from lets say ebaums world
[08:37] <kakalto> then use...
[08:37] <kakalto> something else :P
[08:37] <steve_> oka
[08:37] <steve_> okay
[08:38] <inc_> hmm.. make sure sound volume is up?
[08:38] <inc_> you got it working more then me
[08:38] <KlaasVaag> redrum, try alsa?
[08:38] <kakalto> steve_, I thought that video was wmv
[08:38] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, only if you want to use kde
[08:38] <redrum> KlaasVaag: what to do with it?
[08:38] <steve_> it is, but the play wont play them in linux
[08:38] <kakalto> you know, windows msomething video
[08:39] <lunitik> kakalto: m = media...
[08:39] <meuwe> KlassVaag, but i have kdevelop doesn't work.. :( what must i do ??
[08:39] <kakalto> that's the one
[08:39] <kakalto> it escaped me
[08:39] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, what version?? warty?
[08:39] <redrum> KlaasVaag: i tried to make sure all the volumes were turned up and nothing is muted in alsamixer
[08:39] <kakalto> steve_, sorry, I can't really help you, I'm fairly new to linux aswell
[08:39] <meuwe> KlassVaag, i use universe
[08:40] <kakalto> may I ask everyone the question again: Does anyone know how I can replace my rubbish bin icon?
[08:40] <meuwe> as a respitory
[08:40] <kakalto> *icons
[08:40] <KlaasVaag> redrum: scrolled all the way to the right as well?? my onboard soundcard has DSX channels, or something like that.. and with them muted it wont work either
[08:40] <Dreamer3> i think i can have getmail call cyrdeliver directly
[08:40] <KlaasVaag> kakalto, tried google/wiki?
[08:41] <kakalto> nope
[08:41] <KlaasVaag> kakalto, do it then :)
[08:41] <kakalto> I'm not sure how common it is, for people to want to change icons
[08:41] <kakalto> so I didn't before, but I will look.
[08:41] <KlaasVaag> lunitik, a lot.. afaik at least a lot more features
[08:41] <inc_> i changed mine but not just one
[08:42] <inc_> you place them in the .icons of your home dir
[08:42] <redrum> KlaasVaag: just checked that, nothing is turned off
[08:42] <KlaasVaag> redrum, thats odd..
[08:42] <redrum> KlaasVaag: i'm using SPDIF...
[08:44] <KlaasVaag> redrum, sorry, never heard of that..
[08:45] <coobra> is there any one here that is helping ubuntu building this ubuntu...if there is. you are doing a good job :)
[08:45] <pepsi__> can i get hoary isos?
[08:45] <KlaasVaag> pepsi__, check the website
[08:46] <pepsi__> yeah im looking
[08:46] <KlaasVaag> pepsi__: http://www.google.nl/search?q=hoary+download+site%3Aubuntulinux.org&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[08:47] <LucidVisions> dam folks, I cant believe how fast cross over office pro is, codeweavers has done a great job indeed
[08:48] <pepsi__> KlaasVaag, thx.. dunno why i didnt google it in the first place.. thought id be able to find it on ubuntu's site
[08:53] <KlaasVaag> you probably would have found it.. i like using google using the site:xxx.com option..
[08:53] <KlaasVaag> most of the time much faster the browsing
[08:54] <pepsi__> just add that as a search term?
[08:55] <Dreamer3> anyone familiar with readahead?
[08:55] <KlaasVaag> yep
[08:55] <Dreamer3> KlaasVaag: what do you know?
[08:55] <KlaasVaag> Dreamer3, no
[08:55] <KlaasVaag> :)
[08:55] <Dreamer3> i just hear about it
[08:55] <Dreamer3> noh
[08:55] <KlaasVaag> sorry.. was answering pepsi__
[08:56] <KlaasVaag> never heard of anything called readahead.. i _do_ know something about redhat, but that is not what you mean?
[08:57] <Dreamer3> nope, readahead... to read apps into the buffer before they are actually needed hence speeding up their launch times
[08:57] <KlaasVaag> sounds nice
[09:10] <mircosoft> hi
[09:16] <Dreamer3> mircosoft: what's this for?
[09:16] <mircosoft> what?
[09:17] <Dreamer3> the $$$?
[09:17] <mircosoft> for being evil
[09:17] <tulip> !
[09:17] <Dreamer3> i'm evil?
[09:17] <HaloGray> I really wish the audio issue in hoary would get worked out
[09:18] <mircosoft> no for I being evil
[09:18] <pepsi__> what audio issue?
[09:18] <HaloGray> I'm tired of typing killall esd every time some audio issue comes up
[09:18] <HaloGray> something about esd not giving up control of the audio device to anything else
[09:18] <HaloGray> so if something is set to use alsa or OSS, such as flash, mplayer, xmms, and various others they either crash or give out no sound
[09:19] <HaloGray> killall esd fixes the issue... but it's only a temporary fix and it's not a very good one
[09:20] <HaloGray> it wasn't this way in warty
[09:31] <psf> any ideas about automated making of mainmodules?
[09:37] <Zotnix> woo... finally got rhythmbox to play mp3s
[09:38] <meuwe> everybody, i was install apache2 but i can't find virtual host on the configuration... :(
[09:39] <meuwe> how i instal the module ??
[09:40] <jk> meuwe: you can create them in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
[09:40] <jk> the virtual hosts that is
[09:41] <meuwe> jk, ok thank's
[09:43] <meuwe> jk, i can't find file configuration on it.. :(
[09:43] <mike_douglas> any here ever done a PXE install?
[09:43] <jk> meuwe: you need to create it
[09:44] <meuwe> jk, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[09:44] <meuwe>  it's true ??
[09:45] <jk> you can call it whatever you like, i just create one virtualhost file per host
[09:45] <LinuxJones> mike_douglas, I read about it you need to setup a TFTP server or something
[09:47] <mircosoft> HaloGray: its a problem in esd
[09:47] <mircosoft> thats why JeffW is pro polyaudio
[09:47] <meuwe> jk, where i can find the documentation for it ??
[09:48] <mircosoft> meuwe: i sudjest you join #vhcs
[09:48] <bborkk> Anyone know why the Ubuntu wxPython package when using Python 2.4 is wxPython <IP_ADDRESS> instead of 2.5.3?
[09:50] <meuwe> mircosoft, ok thanks i join now... :D
[09:51] <Zotnix> Hmm. Slow night.
[09:51] <mircosoft> bborkk: goto the u-d mailing list
[09:52] <mircosoft> i saw a talk about this
[09:52] <bborkk> microsoft: what is u-d?
[09:52] <mircosoft> ubuntu-devel
[09:52] <bborkk> thanks.
[09:53] <will_cat> hello
[09:53] <will_cat> good morning
[09:53] <will_cat> somebody could tell me if de kernel-image-i686-2.6.10 works well?
[09:54] <bborkk> will_cat: So far it seems fine.
[09:54] <will_cat> ok
[09:54] <will_cat> and so, i update the file /boot/grub/menu.lst with this image
[09:54] <will_cat> and then just load it, and it recognize all my hardware?
[09:55] <LinuxJones> will_cat, it will edit the grub menu for you
[09:55] <will_cat> wow, that's great
[09:56] <will_cat> and if it doesn't work well?
[09:56] <LinuxJones> will_cat, did you install the restricted modules ?
[09:56] <will_cat> yes
[09:56] <LinuxJones> will_cat, you can hit ESC when your computer boots and says Loading Grub, select the kernel your running now
[09:57] <LinuxJones> will_cat, you'll need to install those as well
[09:57] <will_cat> ok
[09:58] <jk> meuwe: /usr/share/doc/apache2
[09:58] <mircosoft> LinuxJones: be careful when saying that
[09:59] <mircosoft> kernel 2.6.10-2 replaces 2.6.10
[09:59] <LinuxJones> mircosoft, saying what ?
[09:59] <meuwe> jk, ok thank's.. [sorry iam a newbie.. :( ]
[09:59] <mircosoft> and also a small boot partion would mean the old image will get deleted
[10:00] <will_cat> somebody knows something about tulip ethernet cards?
[10:01] <mircosoft> yes
[10:01] <mircosoft> google does
[10:01] <goldfish_> lol
[10:02] <d3vic3> he
[10:02] <d3vic3> heh
[10:03] <martin> Is it not assumed that google has already been consulted ?
[10:03] <d3vic3> martin, in some cases, not
[10:03] <tulip> will_cat, me no
[10:05] <zenwhen> I am running hoary now.
[10:05] <zenwhen> :)
[10:05] <zenwhen> its pretty nice.
[10:07] <Slant> When I added Universe (hoary), a bunch of package updates come through. Is this normal? I don't want to be stuck with bugs from universe?
[10:08] <niterider> hello...quick question...is there webcam support in ubuntu?
[10:08] <spacey> niterider, sure, could depend on your webcam though
[10:08] <niterider> hmm...
[10:08] <altan> isn't it a bit retarded that a TGZ file I download and extract in my home directory has permissions on the extracted files that prevent me from deleting them?
[10:08] <spacey> niterider, if your webcam works in linux it will work in ubuntu
[10:09] <niterider> a labtec webcam, always showed in gnomemeeting as a logitech quickcam though
[10:10] <niterider> i was told webcam support isn't available in all distros anymore
[10:10] <spacey> niterider, i have no idea
[10:10] <spacey> never used a webcam myself =)
[10:10] <niterider> i know is a ,cousin of sorts to ubuntu, my webcam doesn't work anymore
[10:10] <spacey> altan, if you don't want the orginal permissions you can probably add some flag (man tar)
[10:11] <niterider> k....i like to use gnomemeeting
[10:11] <altan> hmm
[10:11] <niterider> so now i'm tryin to find a distro that will work
[10:12] <niterider> but i want to stay in the Deb family
[10:12] <altan> just as a general users' perspective though, my sister uses Ubuntu on her desktop and there's no way she could understand something from man
[10:13] <spacey> altan, if you want other permissions in the tarball then make it right
[10:13] <altan> spacey: a downloaded tarball of icons
[10:13] <spacey> when you make a tarball you can chose ifyou want to keep orginal perms or not
[10:14] <|QuaD-> we need to get sunbird packaged :)
[10:14] <FAST> so do waht do most ubuntu users prefer?   for email.... evolution or thunderbird
[10:14] <spacey> FAST, depends on what you need maybe.
[10:14] <FAST> just email
[10:14] <|QuaD-> FAST: i like thunderbird, most probably prefer evolution
[10:15] <spacey> i use thunderbird myself, but you need tasks and outlook stuff go evolution
[10:15] <website> have someone set framebuffer on hoary (framebuffer + xorg)?
[10:15] <FAST> i like thunderbird too.... maybe i should start since i used it in windows
[10:15] <niterider> vote for t-bird here too
[10:15] <spacey> FAST, wel install thunderbird then
[10:15] <spacey> if you like it its easy
[10:15] <spacey> do what you like =P
[10:15] <|QuaD-> i find evolution bloated
[10:16] <|QuaD-> but thunderbird lacks calendar, todo, etc
[10:16] <|QuaD-> and sunbird isn't in the repos yet
[10:16] <coreyh> anybody get a WPC54G card to work with warty?
[10:16] <altan> dpkg: error processing gnustep-netclasses (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 <---- I get this whenever I install something. It's left over from GNUStep (which has given errors on every OS I've downloaded it on) but I wish I could get rid of it
[10:17] <mircosoft> |QuaD-: i find evolution missing a lot of features
[10:17] <mjr> heh, "I find evolution bloated, but thunderbird lacks all this bloat I need" ;)
[10:17] <|QuaD-> mircosoft: what is it missing
[10:18] <mircosoft> evolution is bloated they need to copy gmail
[10:18] <|QuaD-> mjr: haha basically
[10:18] <altan> QuaD: you can get sunbird as a mozilla extension
[10:18] <|QuaD-> altan: not anymore
[10:18] <|QuaD-> doesn't support 1.0
[10:18] <mircosoft> |QuaD-: the alarm you can't edit them
[10:18] <altan> not anmore? heh
[10:18] <mircosoft> you need to delete them and readd
[10:18] <niterider> well, thanks spacey, 1 last thing though, i guess i never really noticed, when i tried it, someone asked me, when installed how much room does ubuntu take up, this person has a pretty small hd, want to see if ubuntu would fit
[10:19] <FAST> ok i installed thunderbird .... weeee
[10:19] <bborkk> microsoft: So, I took a look at the ubuntu-developer list, but still can't figure out what's up with Python 2.4 and wxPython 2.5.3.  Apt tells me I have the latest version of wxpython2.5.3, but neither python2.4 nor python2.3 use it.
[10:19] <altan> niterider: less than 5GB
[10:20] <niterider> would it go onto a 3 gig
[10:20] <altan> maybe, probably
[10:20] <niterider> k..cool...thanks
[10:20] <altan> don't quote me on that :)
[10:20] <niterider> lol...ok...i won't
[10:20] <niterider> bye 4 now
[10:22] <FAST> i guess there's no way to save a message from  evolution inbox and put in thunderbird inbox ?
[10:26] <LinuxJones> FAST, email it, then open with thunderbird
[10:26] <FAST> yeah i did already
[10:26] <FAST> then i realized i didnt even need to save it...
[10:26] <LinuxJones> heh
[10:28] <_joey_> is apt used on ubuntu?
[10:28] <bborkk> _joey_: yes.
[10:28] <_joey_> could you run apt-cache search . | wc -l
[10:28] <_joey_> and tell me the number
[10:28] <bborkk> _joey_: you can also use the synaptic frontend.
[10:29] <bborkk> _joey_: 15727
[10:29] <_joey_> are those packages prebuilt?
[10:29] <bborkk> _joey_: I believe so.
[10:29] <_joey_> and available or just cache showing them?
[10:29] <bborkk> _joey_: Don't really know.
[10:30] <_joey_> try to install all of them:)
[10:30] <bborkk> heh
[10:30] <_joey_> and get back to me with the answer
[10:30] <bborkk> hang on a sec
[10:30] <_joey_> :)
[10:31] <_joey_> and why did project decide to use niger's name 'ubuntu'?
[10:31] <_joey_> It heart my ears when I hear it
[10:31] <CrashOveride> *plonk
[10:32] <Agrajag> wow
[10:32] <troll_god> _joey_: why the hell would you want to install everything like that?
[10:32] <bborkk> _joey_: I don't think "Ubuntu" is restricted to use only in Niger.
[10:32] <mircosoft> _joey_: are you smat?
[10:33] <troll_god> bborkk: Joey is causing problems in the gentoo room as well.
[10:33] <_joey_> I don't want to install all packages
[10:33] <bborkk> troll_god: word.
[10:33] <_joey_> and troll_god is a troll
[10:34] <melazyboy> please ban _joey_ he is causing problems.
[10:34] <_joey_> melazyboy how would you know?
[10:34] <_joey_> you only7 joined the channel
[10:34] <_joey_> :))
[10:34] <troll_god> troll_god is melazyboy's other nick, one is centericq, one is irssi.
[10:34] <_joey_> besides I am not causing problems here
[10:34] <_joey_> troll_god go away
[10:35] <troll_god> yes you are you have been here for 5min and you already made this statement:
[10:35] <toresbe> Whooooo
[10:35] <toresbe> WRT45G in da hooooouse :P
[10:35] <troll_god> _joey_> and why did project decide to use niger's name 'ubuntu'?
[10:35] <bborkk> Anyway, does anyone have Python 2.4 correctly using wxPython2.5.3 on Hoary?   XP / SuSE / Ubuntu?
[10:40] <Adler> Still looking to run XP / SuSE and add UBUNTU
[10:41] <bborkk> Anyone use matplotlib?
[10:41] <pippin> Adler: should be no problem at all
[10:42] <Adler> pipin -- let me know what should be done
[10:44] <pippin> Adler: you could even let them live in completely different partitions, and use the default masterboot record to boot the active partition (using fdisk to choose between them),. after having that working, figure out how to use grub/lilo on one of the linux partitions to boot the two other systems as well
[10:44] <daniels> |QuaD-: don't know, sorry
[10:44] <Adler> pippen -- So?
[10:45] <pippin> Adler: I'm sorry, but I don't have time for a more throughout explaination right now
[10:45] <onkarshinde> Is there any set date for next Ubuntu release?
[10:46] <onkarshinde> I recently installed Ubuntu on my home machine and lied it very much. It provides just enough packages for a desktop machine. Thanks developers.
[10:47] <Agrajag> onkarshinde: as far as I know, it's not set in stone yet but the next release should be around April or May
[10:48] <Adler> pippin -- hit me with a pim under Adler on the Forum.
[10:49] <pippin> Adler: google about,. then I might decide to google for the forum,.. now,. prepare class
[10:50] <Adler> Pippin -- I've Googled my brains out -- I'm a master on another Forum
[10:53] <bborkk> In cases where Python packages haven't been updated to use Python 2.4, is it generally okay to force an install even though apt complains that dependencies are broken because the package requires Python < 2.4?
[10:58] <Stew2> bborkk Hmm. I don't know the answer to your question.
[10:58] <bborkk> Stew2: Have you had this problem?
[10:58] <meuwe> somebody know what it's Beeemm's ???
[10:58] <mircosoft> meuwe: #vhcs
[10:59] <mircosoft> meuwe: the one from the site
[10:59] <mircosoft> you pasted it in the channel
[11:00] <meuwe> mircosoft, i can't find it in the #vhcs .. :(
[11:00] <mircosoft> melazyboy: the site the deb
[11:00] <mircosoft> click that link
[11:00] <mircosoft> it goes to a thread
[11:00] <mircosoft> get the rep out of that link
[11:01] <bborkk> Is there any discussion about making customized/optimized Ubuntu releases, say one for the graphics community, one for the numerical modeling community, etc?
[11:02] <mircosoft> yes
[11:02] <mircosoft> not for hoary
[11:08] <troll_god> how do you flush the buffer from irssi to a file?
[11:11] <Stew2> troll_god Wish I knew.
[11:11] <Stew2> troll_god I joined another channel then asked the person helping my sorry hoary self out
[11:11] <Stew2> another=an empty
[11:11] <goldfish_> flush the buffer?
[11:12] <Stew2> It's the little handle on the left.
[11:12] <goldfish_> :)
[11:12] <troll_god> =[
[11:13] <Stew2> troll_god Sorry, I never did read any docs on it. I was glad it worked, although scrolling would be a nice feature. Even better if ctrl-arrow keys or something worked.
[11:13] <Stew2> IE -intuitive-, a feature somewhat sorely lacking in too many programs for linux.
[11:13] <Agrajag> irssi isn't known for being intuitive
[11:13] <Agrajag> or having decent documentation
[11:14] <Agrajag> or... well, fill in the blank
[11:14] <arachne> he has a documentation ?
[11:14] <Agrajag> but it's better than most
[11:14] <Agrajag> arachne: last time I read it, it stopped halfway through
[11:14] <Agrajag> with a note saying he was feeling too lazy to finish it
[11:14] <Agrajag> granted that was over a year ago
[11:14] <arachne> Agrajag: hehe, that's user friendly :)
[11:14] <Adler> I can torch Firefox to take over
[11:14] <troll_god> Stew2: page-up page-down scrolls
[11:15] <troll_god> irssi is known for being intuitive...
[11:15] <Stew2> troll_god Now that's handieness.
[11:15] <troll_god> irssi is the latest evolution of console IRC by far the best
[11:15] <Stew2> Troll_god I guess my being stuck in 80 column mode sucked for me.
[11:15] <saif> hello
[11:16] <altan> * Stew2 epoxies a silver flusher handle to the left upper side of his 17" crt. <--- I wonder if anyone's done a toilet casemod yet
[11:16] <troll_god> Stew2: Im sure you can change that, it automagically takes the size of your console or xterm
[11:17] <searcher`> or one could ofcourse try typing /help and check the status screen :-)
[11:17] <searcher`> in irssi that is
[11:17] <saif> hello every1,
[11:17] <Stew2> troll_god: Um. That -assumes- I had gdm/xorg running in Hoary. Which quite a high percentage of the time on initial setups, I haven't.
[11:17] <saif> i have alittle problem, i upgraded to hoary, restarted, and now when i login, nothin happens!
[11:18] <saif> actually somethn happens, but now what should happen
[11:18] <Stew2> searcher' I didn't know how to switch screens. :(
[11:18] <onkarshinde> What is exact version fo Firefix in Ubuntu 4.10? Isn't there any update?
[11:18] <goldfish_> i got 1.0
[11:18] <saif> i get a terminal window, look like a frame with the terminal inside it!
[11:18] <Quarupt> Okay i just built a nice 64 bit machine how do i go about installing Ubuntu with the right kernel?
[11:18] <searcher`> Stew2: me neither when i started out :-)
[11:18] <Agrajag> it's 0.9.3
[11:18] <goldfish_> via apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[11:18] <goldfish_> u get 1.0
[11:18] <Quarupt> OMG 2 Gigs of ram is so nice
[11:19] <Agrajag> goldfish_: not in warty you don't
[11:19] <Agrajag> warty uses 0.9.3
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: download the amd64 install iso
[11:19] <goldfish_> Agrajag: i have it now
[11:19] <goldfish_> Agrajag: on warty
[11:19] <Quarupt> its an Intel64
[11:19] <Agrajag> goldfish_: You didn't get it from the official repository.
[11:19] <Quarupt> not an AMD
[11:19] <onkarshinde> goldfish_: when did you update it?
[11:19] <goldfish_> yesterday
[11:20] <saif> any1? help?!
[11:20] <Quarupt> Is there support for ATI all in wonder in Ubuntu?
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: using the e64 extensions or whatever they are?
[11:20] <Agrajag> Filename: pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> or what
[11:20] <Agrajag> note: revertedto0.9.3
[11:20] <Quarupt> Im just kidding its an AMD
[11:20] <Quarupt> i hate Intel
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[11:21] <bborkk> So, there are two keys on my keyboard that completely baffle me.  I have no idea what they do.  One is located directly above the right arrow key and the other directly above the left arrow key.  Both have icons of a dog-eared page with an arrow pointing in their respective directions.  Any ideas?  It's a thinkpad keyboard.
[11:21] <Quarupt> its the AMD 64 that compatible with 32 bit windows XP, so does this mean ...?
[11:21] <Agrajag> bborkk: uh, page up and page down?
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: amd64 is compatible with i386
[11:21] <Agrajag> oh wait
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> XP has nothing to do with it
[11:21] <Agrajag> left and right
[11:21] <Agrajag> hm
[11:21] <bborkk> Agrajag: nope.  there are separate page up and down keys.
[11:21] <Quarupt> I know
[11:22] <Agrajag> page left/right or soemthing odd like that maybe
[11:22] <Quarupt> But i want the right kernel
[11:22] <saif> ppl, i need some help, x server got messed up, and i can't start ubuntu, what do i do?
[11:22] <Agrajag> maybe you can remap them to something useful
[11:22] <bborkk> Agrajag: I don't even know what codes they produce.
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: install 64 bit ubuntu
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: then get the kernel for k8
[11:22] <Agrajag> bborkk: just use the gnome keyboard shortcuts thing :)
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> although I think it's installed by default anyway
[11:22] <Agrajag> I'm sure there's something in there you can use them for
[11:23] <bborkk> Agrajag: Ah.  Where is that located?
[11:23] <Quarupt> Can i do transparent tv on the desktop ?
[11:23] <goldfish_> saif: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[11:23] <Agrajag> computer > desktop preferences > keyboard shortcuts
[11:23] <bborkk> Agrajag: Thanks.
[11:23] <Agrajag> you can just hit the buttons and map them to whatever in there
[11:23] <saif> goldfish: but it is hoary, i donno y xree86 is still on the machine, shouldn't it be xorg?
[11:24] <Agrajag> and you get the keycodes out of them too
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: no, maybe and sortof
[11:25] <Slant> How do I enable procmail?
[11:25] <Slant> I have uncommented the line in the postfix main.cf, and restarted postfix.
[11:25] <Slant> But procmail appears to still not function.
[11:25] <goldfish_> saif: oh right, sorry, thought u were warty.
[11:25] <goldfish_> saif: I dunno :/
[11:26] <saif> goldfish :(
[11:27] <saif> goldfish: yesterday sometim during the installation i got this window that asked me if i wanted to use xfree86 or xorg and i chose xorg, do u know how i get that program running again?! or where i choose which one to use?
[11:28] <MLimburg> anyone have any info on installing teamspeak with ubuntu ?
[11:28] <goldfish_> saif: em i really don't know, i;m new to this :/
[11:28] <goldfish_> saif: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg maybe ?
[11:29] <saif> goldfish: tried that, didn't work :)
[11:29] <goldfish_> :/
[11:29] <scoon> saif, what is messed up ?  did you check in the forums ?
[11:29] <Adler> I'm looking for the tri-boot system
[11:31] <saif> scoon: didn't find anything, after inserting my usename and password an the login screen, i get this window with a light bulb and an OK button ( no text) then a frame with the terminal inside it appears!
[11:31] <scoon> saif, have you check .xsession-errors
[11:32] <saif> scoon: i donno how to do that!
[11:32] <scoon> saif, sounds more like a gnome problem.  not an x problem.
[11:32] <scoon> saif, can you type in that terminal window ?
[11:32] <saif> scoont: i will try to login in failsafe mode,
[11:32] <saif> scoon: yest, i can
[11:33] <scoon> saif, type: cat .xsession-errors and read the errs
[11:33] <scoon> if any
[11:33] <saif> scoont: it says error activating XKB cofiguration when i tried failsafe, i'll try command u gave me now!
[11:35] <saif> scoon: line 3: [:toomany arguments, executing default failed, will try to run xterminal-emulator
[11:36] <Adler> Is anyone here?
[11:37] <Stew2> I am, somewhere.
[11:37] <johns_> i'm not
[11:37] <johns_> <-- trying to get wifi running on a win98 (aargh) laptop
[11:37] <Adler> I lost it -- I use SuSE
[11:38] <johns_> who ever said windows was easy?
[11:38] <johns_> and can we beat him up
[11:38] <johns_> ?
[11:38] <Adler> Johns_ try the linuxant drivers
[11:39] <johns_> on a _win98_ laptop?
[11:39] <Adler> Yes
[11:39] <saif> scoont: do u know how i can delete a directory with all t's contents from terminal?!
[11:39] <johns_> ah
[11:40] <Adler> john_ do how are you now connected?
[11:43] <scoon> saif, man rm
[11:43] <scoon> saif, rm -fdr path-to-the-directory
[11:44] <scoon> scoon, but becareful, the f is for force and can/will delete anything w/o asking
[11:44] <saif> scoon it tells me that there are still files in that directory
[11:44] <scoon> saif, rm -fdr
[11:44] <goldfish_> saif: rm -rf path-to-dir
[11:44] <scoon> saif, should not
[11:48] <saif> i just dleted the .gnome directory!
[11:48] <scoon> saif, logout
[11:49] <scoon> saif, then from gdm do a ctrl-alt-F1
[11:50] <scoon> saif, that will put you into a virtual terminal.
[11:50] <scoon> saif, log in to your account there.  and ls -a to see all that is in your dir.
[11:50] <saif> scoon: ok, where are we going with this?
[11:51] <scoon> saif, make certain that all .gnome and .metacity get delected.
[11:51] <scoon> saif, i think you should delete all of your gnome setting files and then log back into gnome to have new ones recreated.
[11:51] <altan> yeah, there's a .gnome and a .gnome2
[11:53] <saif> scoon: ok i deleted them all!
[11:53] <scoon> saif, all gnome things ?
[11:54] <gsuveg> anybody use sata hw raid ?
[11:54] <saif> scoon: everything that starts with .gnome and .metacity
[11:54] <scoon> saif, did yoiu get .gconfd, .gnome, .gnome2, .gnome2_private, .gnome_private
[11:54] <scoon> saif, ok good enuff.
[11:54] <scoon> saif, now type exit to log out
[11:55] <scoon> saif, next type ctl-alt-F7, that will bring you back to gdm
[11:55] <saif> scoon: i just restarted the computer
[11:55] <scoon> saif, is there any reason why ?
[11:56] <saif> scoon: nop, no reason for the changes to take effect, in case any bad stuff where still loaded!
[11:56] <scoon> saif, once you log out, any user executing programs are not running.
[11:57] <scoon> saif, unlike winhell, linux actually works like you would expect it to in that regard.
[11:57] <saif> scoon: but i had already been in gdm before, and i logged in safe, anyways, it didn't work! :(
[11:58] <scoon> saif, what i had you do was to delete all of the gnome config files.
[11:58] <scoon> saif, when you would have logged back into gnome, they will get re-created all fresh and new for you.
[11:59] <saif> scoon: xfree86 is still running!!! that is what i was trying to do, delete all the gnome folders!
[11:59] <scoon> saif, xfree is not gnome
[11:59] <scoon> saif, xfree is the env that gnome run inside.
[12:00] <saif> scoon : yes, it is the server that handles gnome, but as i understood i should be running xorg not xfree86
[12:01] <scoon> saif, what exactly have you done ?
[12:01] <Frossi> Hi, how can I open port 21 for my ftp server on my ubuntu server/router?
[12:01] <scoon> saif, if you type X -version in a termial, what do you see ?
[12:02] <saif> Xfree86 version <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:02] <scoon> saif, so there you have it.
[12:03] <scoon> saif, you are running xfree.  that is what comes w/ warty.
[12:03] <saif> scoont: aha, well, this whole problem started whn i upgraded to hoary
[12:04] <scoon> saif, so in order for that to work. you will need to try this first.
[12:04] <scoon> saif, are you certain you want to run hoary ?
[12:04] <saif> scoon: yes,
[12:05] <scoon> saif, you should be able to handle some of the problems it will throw at you first you know.
[12:05] <saif> scoon; i am running it on another machine, and everything is working fine!
[12:05] <scoon> saif, anyway, is your box rebooted.
[12:05] <saif> yes?
[12:06] <scoon> saif, are you logged in ?
[12:06] <saif> scoon: i am logged in, and i am in terminal
[12:06] <xukun> I,m trying to install vmware on ubuntu warthy, but I get this: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[12:06] <xukun> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
[12:06] <scoon> saif, did that fix your gnome ?
[12:06] <xukun> I have no idea!
[12:07] <saif> scoon the virtual terminal which x displayed because dfault failed ( same problem, nothin fixed)
[12:07] <scoon> saif, log out
[12:08] <scoon> saif, drop down to a virtual terminal.
[12:08] <saif> scoon: logged out
[12:08] <scoon> saif, ctrl-alt-F1
[12:08] <scoon> saif, log in to it.
[12:08] <saif> scoon: done
[12:08] <scoon> saif, sudo -s
[12:09] <saif> scoon: i am root!
[12:09] <scizzo> xukun: umm...are you using gnome_
[12:09] <scizzo> ?
[12:09] <scizzo> xukun: sorry....was thinking about something else now
[12:09] <xukun> scizzo, yes
[12:09] <scoon> saif, /etc/init.d/gdm
[12:09] <xukun> its ubuntu standaard
[12:09] <scoon> sorry
[12:09] <scoon> saif, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:10] <tulip> how to play an mp3 file in aubuntu?
[12:10] <saif> scoon gdm stopped
[12:10] <scizzo> tulip: look at the restrictedformats on the wiki
[12:10] <scoon> saif, apt-get update
[12:10] <scizzo> xukun: is there no README or INSTALL file with vmware?
[12:10] <scizzo> xukun: might help you with the installation
[12:11] <tulip> can you tell me the url ?
[12:11] <saif> scoon: updated
[12:11] <xukun> scizzo, I have read that
[12:11] <tulip> scizzo, url ?
[12:11] <scizzo> tulip: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[12:11] <scoon> saif, apt-get -s dist-upgrade
[12:11] <scoon> saif, do you get some things to update ?
[12:11] <blah09> morning.
[12:11] <saif> scoon: error!
[12:11] <EvanCarroll> Is there a hotkey in irssi to close a window like ctrl+X or something
[12:12] <tulip> scizzo, thanks
[12:12] <scoon> saif, i can't see your scree, so I need more than that
[12:12] <scoon> screen that is.
[12:12] <saif> the following packages have unmet dependencies, libgtksourceview1.0-0 depends libgtksourceview-common but not installed
[12:13] <blah09> anyone use skype?
[12:13] <scizzo> EvanCarroll: you can make your own hotkey for that
[12:13] <saif> scoon: i had done the apt-get dist-upgrade before, downloaded 516 mbs of stuff, bu thtis package failed
[12:13] <scoon> saif, well there is a problem.  apt-get check
[12:13] <EvanCarroll> scizzo: Do you know the syntax off hand?
[12:13] <blah09> did you remove the backports repository?
[12:14] <saif> scoon same problem!
[12:14] <scizzo> EvanCarroll: no...sorry
[12:15] <saif> scoon: i tried -f install, i got an error as well,
[12:15] <scoon> saif, try this: apt-get install libgtksourceview-common
[12:16] <saif> erros encountered while processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksrouceview-common_1.1.92-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[12:16] <EvanCarroll> saif: the package mainter could have typed in an invalid version number on accident (or on purpose) to bork the dependency, there is nothing you can do about it if apt can't satisfy it
[12:16] <saif> /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:17] <EvanCarroll> saif: never mind your getting a diff error
[12:17] <saif> EvanCarroll: thanx!
[12:18] <saif> scoon: what do u think the problem might be?! y doesn't it want to install libgtksourceview
[12:19] <EvanCarroll> saif: you could try just -f, to fix any dependency problem you have with dpkg's database
[12:19] <saif> scoon: i think the goal is to remove xfree86 and get xorg running, if that could help
[12:20] <saif> EvanCarroll it doesn't do it!
[12:20] <scoon> saif, but your xfree is working just fine.
[12:20] <scizzo> EvanCarroll: /help bind
[12:20] <scizzo> EvanCarroll: that is how you can see the help for binding keys
[12:20] <mahnve> list
[12:21] <scoon> saif, what version of that are you trying to install: dpkg -s libgtksourceview-common
[12:21] <saif> 1.1.92
[12:22] <saif> scoon 1.1.92
[12:22] <saif> scoon: what i run the command -s i get that the package is not installed!
[12:23] <saif> libgtksourceview and libgtksourceview-common are not installed
[12:24] <scoon> saif, what happens when you apt-get check ?
[12:24] <saif> libgtksourceview depends libgtksourceview-common but it is not installed
[12:25] <scoon> saif, what do your repos look like, only hoary ?
[12:25] <saif> scoon: yup, only hoary
[12:25] <scoon> saif, you are positive
[12:26] <saif> well, i removed everything, and pasted the hoary stuff form the site,
[12:26] <saif> i check, with what vim?
[12:26] <scoon> saif, nano will do the trick
[12:27] <saif> /usr/apt/sources.list?
[12:27] <blah09>  etc/apt/sources.list
[12:27] <saif> scoon: all hoary!
[12:27] <scoon> saif
[12:28] <saif> scoon and the cdrom of course
[12:28] <scoon> saif, just to be safe, comment out the cdrom.
[12:28] <scoon> saif, re-run apt-get update
[12:28] <scoon> followed by apt-get check
[12:29] <saif> scoon: i am sorry, but how do i save the file?!
[12:29] <saif> scoon nevermind
[12:29] <scoon> saif, it tells you on the little bar there.
[12:30] <saif> scoon: yes, it does, but it says somethn out! anyways, updating now!
[12:30] <saif> scoon: do u think thre is anyhope of getting this to work?!
[12:30] <scoon> saif, probably.  i mean you said you had another hoary box up and running.
[12:31] <scoon> saif, at this point i am not quite certain what the problem is and am trying to narrow that down.
[12:31] <saif> scoon: yes, but i didn't go through all this to get it running!
[12:31] <scoon> saif, well you broke something along the way.
[12:32] <saif> scoon: hmm, i wonder how i could have done that!
[12:32] <linuxboy> Can I enable a slpash screen on the ubuntu startup?
[12:32] <saif> scoon: i tried earlier, i couldn't get any package installed due to this problem!
[12:33] <saif> scoon: btw, i really appreciate u trying to help!
[12:33] <scoon> saif, np.
[12:33] <scoon> saif, but i haven't done anything yet.
[12:34] <saif> scoon: at least ur boethring
[12:35] <looksaus> has anyone succeeded in getting tomboy to work on hoary?
[12:36] <ICU> nope
[12:36] <ICU> not me ... didn't work since the last update(s)
[12:37] <scoon> saif, so what is the outcome of apt-get update && apt-get check
[12:37] <scoon> still the same, withthe cdrom commented out ?
[12:40] <tulip> root@ubuntu:/home/tulip # apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:40] <tulip>  (...) The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:40] <tulip>   gstreamer0.8-mad: Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b) but it is not installable
[12:40] <tulip> E: Broken packages
[12:40] <tulip>  (what i do?)
[12:42] <saif> scoon: updating done
[12:42] <saif> yes,
[12:42] <saif> scoon: but somethn different did happen which i ran apt-get distupgrade, it is now actually upgrading
[12:42] <saif> scoon: becore it would say 0 to install 0 to upgradeand 400 not removed
[12:42] <saif> scoon: now 433 upgraded 26 newly installed 4 to remove need to get 44.2/321 of archives
[12:42] <saif> scoon i hope this does it, change is good anyways,
[12:42] <scoon> saif, absolutely.
[12:42] <scoon> saif, it could have had something to do w/ the cdrom repo
[12:43] <tarzeau> say i'd wanted to make my own live cd's like ubuntu. is that documented somewhere, where would i go about reading?
[12:43] <scoon> saif, dunno for certain tho.
[12:43] <saif> scoon: good luck to saif!
[12:43] <scoon> saif, of course.
[12:44] <saif> scoon: i need to get the w32 codecs and stuff like that to play media, well the same repositories as for warty do?! ( i mean the ones i have to add?)
[12:44] <scoon> saif, there is a howto on that stuff.
[12:44] <scoon> saif, i didn't use deb's for mplayer and codecs.
[12:44] <scoon> saif, i just compiled them and installed in /opt
[12:51] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hallo
[12:53] <scoon> saif, still updating ?
[12:57] <saif> scoon: cool! i'll stick to the easy way!
[12:57] <saif> scoon: boy am i glad that it snowed and work was cancalled otherwise i couldn't have had the time to do this!
[12:57] <Infernal_Demon> hello
[01:01] <Infernal_Demon> I was going to ask something
[01:01] <Infernal_Demon> but then I read the site and found out the problem
[01:01] <Infernal_Demon> so nevermind
[01:02] <Stew2_> Infernal_Demon: Yeah!
[01:02] <Infernal_Demon> lol :)
[01:02] <lucien> Argh.
[01:04] <thux> Hi, I try to boot Warty cd, but got Dr.Dos prompt A:\> ?
[01:05] <thux> somebody else got same results | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10681
[01:08] <saif> scoon: nop, still upgrading, downloading the packages
[01:09] <Krypt0n> AshleyK ;)
[01:09] <AshleyK> Krypt0n ;-)
[01:09] <saif> is it just me, or does synaptic cause the system to crash a lot?
[01:10] <housetier> the system crashes or only synaptic?
[01:11] <saif> synaptic! :) sorry!
[01:12] <saif> how do i force quit it?!
[01:13] <blah09> is it just me or is it really hard to get firefox to install extensions?
[01:13] <ArdieM> is this a correct fstab entry:
[01:13] <ArdieM> /dev/hda11 /mnt/hda11-HDD4 vfat umask=0,user,nls=iso8859-1,rw,exec 0 0
[01:13] <ArdieM> /dev/hda12 /mnt/hda12-HDD5 ntfs umask=0,user,nls=iso8859-1,ro,exec 0 0
[01:13] <ArdieM> ?
[01:13] <bborkk> Is there a user movement I can join to pressure ATI into open sourcing their drivers or at least making them work correctly?  I shouldn't have to choose between accelerated graphics and suspend to RAM.
[01:14] <bborkk> blah09: What's difficult about it?
[01:14] <blah09> i click em and anothing happens
[01:14] <mvo_> saif: synaptic crashs for you?
[01:15] <blah09> i've already allowed the website to install programs
[01:15] <bborkk> blah09: what exactly are you clicking on?  which extensions are you referring to?
[01:16] <blah09> im trying to install some from updates.mozilla.org, specifically sage and flashgot
[01:18] <saif> mvo: yes
[01:18] <ArdieM> i want to install my ati radeon 9800
[01:18] <ArdieM> on my ubuntu x64 sys
[01:19] <shock> hello everyone
[01:19] <ArdieM> so i have to download the linux x86_64 driver and not the linux x86 right ?
[01:19] <ArdieM> hi shock
[01:19] <shock> u awake again or still O_o
[01:19] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:19] <ArdieM> yes i am in there
[01:20] <ArdieM> hmmm.. xfree or xorg ?
[01:21] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, did you upgrade to Hoary ?
[01:21] <lucien> Is that crackling noise when playing loud music caused by Alsa or by Oss ? Because I have that problem for a few days now.
[01:21] <ArdieM> where can i see which version i have ?
[01:21] <lucien> unama -a
[01:21] <ArdieM> i mean i did an "apt-get upgrade" 20 mins ago
[01:22] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, that's ok your on warty
[01:22] <ArdieM> root@chillout:~ # uname -a
[01:22] <ArdieM> Linux chillout <IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic #1 Tue Oct 12 11:40:38 UTC 2004 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:23] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, you'll need to replace the 686 with like amd packages sorry I don't know the names
[01:23] <blah09> hi what exactly does this mean? ** (process:8788): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[01:23] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, I would imagine
[01:23] <ArdieM> im sorry but i dont understand
[01:23] <ArdieM> first i nedd to download the driver... xfree or xorg ?
[01:24] <LinuxJones> xfree
[01:24] <ArdieM> okay
[01:25] <lucien> Hey, is there someone here that could help with a sound problem I have ?
[01:25] <ArdieM> ohh but its an .rpm
[01:25] <lucien> Crackling noises and stuff ?
[01:25] <ArdieM> is there a rpm2deb installed ??
[01:26] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, alien can do that but the application you want to install is more than likely available using apt
[01:26] <ArdieM> alien .. ok ill try
[01:26] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, are you installing ati drivers from rpm ?
[01:26] <ArdieM> ...
[01:26] <Hwolf> I can't get openoffice to run in hoary
[01:27] <ArdieM> i downloaded it from ati right now
[01:27] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, there are binary deivers use the ubuntu ones
[01:27] <viper12> f
[01:28] <ArdieM> Note: Currently, ATI Drivers for AMD64 are only available in Hoary
[01:28] <ArdieM> what is hoary ?
[01:28] <Alessio> ia have installed gimp-svg for opne svg image
[01:28] <viper12> hoary is the 'next' release for ubuntu
[01:28] <Alessio> gimp don't open svg file too!
[01:28] <ArdieM> so i cant install the driver ?
[01:29] <viper12> you should be able to by adding the hoary repositories to synaptics, and then just select em.
[01:29] <Hwolf> Openoffice.org 1.1.3: cannot be started due to an error in the configuration data. Please contact your administrator. The following internal error has occurred: Getstorage, name 'No content'
[01:29] <blah09> whats this i found?
[01:29] <blah09> openoffice.org2 - Office suite core, version 2.0
[01:29] <blah09> anyone try it yet?
[01:29] <Hwolf> blah: yeah, it sucks.
[01:29] <shock> hey guys - what was that apt-get parameter to force overwriting? --force-overwrite?
[01:29] <blah09> yeah? is it slower still? =)
[01:29] <Alessio> I have installed gimp-svg for open svg image, but gimp not recognize it yet! Why??
[01:30] <Hwolf> blah09: I haven't found a way to make it export to .doc, which makes it useless to me
[01:30] <blah09> oh =/
[01:30] <viper12> was looking at the version 2.0 office stuff earlier. nice, but not tons o' differences, at least on the interface......looked more like a point release to me.
[01:30] <blah09> is staroffice 7 better than OOo?
[01:30] <viper12> same stuff.
[01:30] <blah09> its just not free?
[01:30] <Alessio> any idea?
[01:30] <viper12> star is just a more sun-centric version, but they are both free to download...and all based on O.O
[01:31] <blah09> star is free?
[01:31] <viper12> yep
[01:31] <blah09> i didnt know that
[01:31] <viper12> the only 'cost' is if you order the boxed set from sun.
[01:31] <viper12> check their site.  they even have a comparison 'tween the two....the major diff is that O.O is community run, while star is more "in-house".
[01:32] <apokryphos> Their free live Java distro comes with StarOffice
[01:32] <Hwolf> viper12: they've revamped the entire code
[01:32] <viper12> did they H?  I was just on the  'surface' skimming the interface stuff.
[01:33] <ceu> I need to recompile the latest kernel version (because the ubuntu kernel lacks support for my DVB-T card). What's the bast way to recompile? Should I apply ubuntu patches?
[01:33] <ArdieM> i cant find the hoary repos ... could someone help me ??
[01:33] <viper12> just sec.
[01:34] <blah09> lol "Click-N-Run is basically apt-get taken to a much higher level."
[01:34] <viper12> um......you might wanna check 'backports' first to keep the updates from hitting the whole system.
[01:34] <saif> ArdieM u just change ur sources.list from warty to hoary
[01:34] <saif> viper12 how do u check backports?
[01:34] <viper12> although I gotta say i'm impressed with the latest live-hoary........it came up and RAN on a compaq x1000 laptop, wifi graphics..everythang.  I was shocked.
[01:35] <blah09> wifi on the live cd? nice
[01:35] <blah09> is that one centrino based?
[01:35] <blah09> the warty livecd didnt have wifi on my machine
[01:35] <viper12> backports is a repos that is taking some of hoary 'apps' such as firefox 1.0, thunderbird, etc, and making them available as 'updates' without the whole hoary upgrade.
[01:35] <viper12> yes it is blah.
[01:36] <ArdieM> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/ <-- right ?
[01:36] <blah09> nice
[01:36] <viper12> and I was able to surf with ff right after it came up.  It even asked for the Essid on the install routine.  I'm backing up the xp stuff as we speak.  heh heh
[01:36] <blah09> hehe
[01:36] <blah09> im running hoary on my centrino now, works very well, even got suspend to ram and disk working last night
[01:37] <saif> viper12 thanx for the ingo!
[01:37] <saif> info
[01:37] <ArdieM> i thought hoary is the next version ... is it available 4 dowbnload ?
[01:37] <viper12> yep.  My biggest fear was the ATI 9200 mobility..........but it worked without a hitch.
[01:37] <viper12> and np sail.
[01:38] <viper12> it is the next version Ardie........but ubuntu has "live" cd snapshots on their site.  snagged one via azureas last night to test on the laptop.
[01:38] <blah09> ardie: yeah you can apt-get your way to hoary
[01:38] <ArdieM> how ?
[01:38] <blah09> change the repositories from "warty" to "hoary", and comment out the backports repository
[01:39] <viper12> by RTFWS Ardie.  snicker.
[01:39] <viper12> j/t
[01:39] <blah09> ;)
[01:39] <apokryphos> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[01:39] <viper12> tada. ;)
[01:41] <ArdieM> so i have to: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe -> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe and so on ?
[01:41] <blah09> yep
[01:41] <viper12> brb
[01:41] <ArdieM> okay thanx alot ^^
[01:42] <blah09> lol i love the OOo2 splash screen http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/2/143082.jpg
[01:42] <ArdieM> and then i have to apt-get update/upgrade
[01:42] <ArdieM> right ?
[01:43] <apokryphos> ArdieM: A whole distro upgrade. apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:43] <ArdieM> oki doki
[01:43] <blah09> dist-upgrade
[01:43] <ArdieM> but i shouldnt do that in X
[01:43] <apokryphos> Nah; it's fine to. Just do a full reboot after.
[01:44] <da_bon_bon> hi aLL.
[01:44] <shock_> hoi
[01:44] <da_bon_bon> how do u save the settings and persistent home in ubuntu warty live ?
[01:45] <ceu> hdparm, at boot time, is launched too early, when cdrom aren't available. Is that a know bug ?
[01:45] <MLimburg> hmm ... can i get a little help? as root, i did a "ln -s /home/mlimburg/webdev /var/www" (after mv'ing the original www) .. and i'm getting permission errors on seeing my test index.php .. any ideas here?
[01:46] <darKn1ghT> hi all
[01:46] <MLimburg> hey there
[01:47] <darKn1ghT> how can i play mp3 files from totem?
[01:47] <ceu> MLimburg: symbolic links are not "allowed" (for security reasons) in standard apache configuration
[01:47] <LinuxJones> darKn1ghT, hi
[01:47] <darKn1ghT> where can i get mp3 plugins?
[01:47] <darKn1ghT> it says its not supported
[01:47] <MLimburg> ceu .. mm bugger, thought that would be the easiest way to manage it
[01:47] <apokryphos> darKn1ghT: Not sure why you'd want to ;), but: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/talkback/1104544141/view?searchterm=mp3
[01:47] <viper12> I gave up on totem.  did the full mplayer and xmms installs from the ubuntu help pages........and they work.
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> how do u save the settings and persistent home in ubuntu warty live ?
[01:48] <MLimburg> any issues in making my normal user account the owner of /var/www so i can do my webdev?
[01:48] <apokryphos> darKn1ghT: You might want to see the Documentation on the restricted formats, too: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:48] <darKn1ghT> k
[01:48] <ArdieM> http://nopaste.php-q.net/113506 <-- now this is my sources.list ... could someone check it 4 me pease ?
[01:48] <apokryphos> No mp3 player can match amaroK at the moment, IMO
[01:48] <MLimburg> dont know da_bon_bon
[01:49] <viper12> just guessin' da-bon...but when you are logging out, their is a check box for save session....that what you're talking about?
[01:49] <tarzeau> doko: thanks! i can't find any infos on the links about how the live cd iso images are built though. i will keep an eye on it
[01:50] <da_bon_bon> MLimburg: du-uh!
[01:50] <viper12> what makes amaroK 'better'?  just curious.
[01:50] <ArdieM> xmms is all u need
[01:51] <blah09> i like xmms too
[01:51] <ArdieM> did som1 check my list ?
[01:51] <MLimburg> ahh, yeah .. okay da_bon_bon
[01:52] <apokryphos> ArdieM: On a quick glance, it looks fine to me. You do realise you ccould have just pasted it all from the link I gave earlier, right? ;)
[01:52] <viper12> I'm using xmms with shoutcast right now......mplayer for dvd and avis...although I've noticed that under 'load' mplayer ain't quite up to bsplayer (windoze) for managing to keep ahead.
[01:52] <blah09> mplayer doesnt work for me at all, the moz ff plugin hangs at 25%
[01:52] <blah09> i use xine for dvds, avis, etc
[01:53] <darKn1ghT> apokryphos, there's no gstreamer0.8mad in the universe list
[01:53] <viper12> I found a couple howto's on getting it up and running and it works.....as long as not much else is running....when that's not the case, it tends to lose audio/visual sync pretty fast.
[01:53] <blah09> gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:53] <apokryphos> viper12: Sorry, didn't see your reply. amaroK -- it's just the dream mp3. Has a plethora of little features that make it nicer like the OSD, the Album ccover fetcher. It's *very* customizable. So many things. Try it. ;)
[01:53] <apokryphos> darKn1ghT: Yup, you need to add a new repository. Tells you about it at the second link Ipr ovided.
[01:54] <apokryphos> *I provided
[01:54] <blah09> viper cant you adjust the audio delay in mplayer?
[01:54] <viper12> I probably will apok.  Was curious, as I'm an old school winamp guy, and miss some of its features since the move to the linux world.
[01:54] <blah09> in xine you can adjust it in 0.04second increments, i love that feature
[01:55] <viper12> blah....I've tried...but I shouldn't have to.  I know that linux is a better multi-tasker, but I've gotta say that bsplayer in doze blows mplayer into the dirt.
[01:55] <viper12> sigh
[01:55] <apokryphos> viper12: It's certainly the best decision I've ever made mp3-wise. It has an "xmms style", if you like that (I used to), but switched to the amarok way.
[01:55] <viper12> I'm not tied to any one app in linux yet apok.  I'll snag that tomorrow and give it a spin. :)
[01:55] <blah09> i'd have to install all those qt libs =/
[01:56] <viper12> how is it on the streaming side apok?
[01:57] <blah09> $ sudo apt-get install -s amarok spews out a thousand packages
[01:57] <apokryphos> viper12: Very good. Has all the options of course for fade-out/fade-in. For me the gstreamer engine didn't work completely (there would be about a second delay when changing song); but it lets you change engine. Switched to xine and all was well.
[01:57] <viper12> cool.  I've read that xine is pretty sweet.
[01:58] <apokryphos> The engine is nice (that's what I use under amarok).
[01:58] <blah09> i like xine for video
[01:59] <viper12> yeah, i'm still using gstreamer, but haven't had issues with streaming side.  Got some mp3 music libraries on disk I'll pop in later and check out.
[01:59] <blah09> totem is of course the worst software ever (because it wouldnt play anything on my machine)
[01:59] <apokryphos> The other good thing is that it seems to have a really great and active team. They're a reasonably new app out on the market, and already they're adding new features at a pretty fast rate.
[01:59] <bborkk> When is wxPython 2.5.3 going to be ready for Python 2.4?
[01:59] <apokryphos> blah09: I agree ;)
[01:59] <viper12> >nods to apok
[02:00] <viper12> and lol blah.....I tried totem when I first ubuntu'd.......and thought, "well that's speeecccciaaalll'..........and killed it.
[02:00] <apokryphos> :P
[02:00] <apokryphos> They don't seem to have an active irc channel ;)
[02:01] <viper12> you know you're in a linux channel when the question is:  when is 2.5.3 ready for 2.4.  hee hee.  (sorry couldn't resist.)
[02:01] <bborkk> heh.  true.
[02:01] <doko> tarzeau: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[02:01] <bborkk> it's driving me crazy.
[02:02] <viper12> sorry man...no programmers on this side 'o' the keyboard.  g'luck on that one though.
[02:02] <bborkk> well, it's a good excuse for me to not do much for a month or two.  :)
[02:03] <Skwid_> :)
[02:03] <viper12> a good place you might check would be the CCP guys (Eve-online).  They do EVERYTHING in python.
 --- have u tried totem-xine ?
[02:03] <bborkk> who are they?
[02:03] <viper12> the programmers of the mmo "Eve".
[02:04] <bborkk> What's an MMO?
[02:04] <viper12> CCP= crowd control productions.  based in iceland.  ...........and sigh.........Massive Multiplayer Online.
[02:04] <viper12> lol
[02:04] <bborkk> Ah.  I didn't get past MUDs.  :)
[02:04] <viper12> They wrote the entire game in python, and so......would prolly be a good resource.
[02:04] <viper12> www.eve-online.com
[02:05] <viper12> just a thought.
[02:05] <bborkk> viper12: looks pretty sweet.
[02:06] <viper12> it is.  a time sucker extra-ord-in-aire.........I used to play quite a bit.  They went with python as it allowed them to code the entire backend with a game node exceeding 100k players (on the same server farm).
[02:07] <bborkk> I try to stay away from games that look that good.
[02:07] <bborkk> Last one I played was Deus Ex.
[02:07] <viper12> Nothing in gaming matched 300 capital class warships engaging at the same time in a 3d environment..and all of em' piloted by real people.  damn addictive.
[02:08] <viper12> but........my thought was for the programming stuff there. lol
[02:09] <bborkk> anyone want to enlighten me regarding metaclasses in python?
[02:11] <viper12> and the room thundered with responses to that.  lol
[02:12] <bborkk> yeah.  a real conversation starter.
[02:12] <bborkk> I seem to be good at that tonight.
[02:12] <blah09> shock no i havent
[02:12] <blah09> viper you play eve online?
[02:12] <blah09> <- plays eve online
[02:12] <LarryT-ubuntu> excuse me : does any one knows how to configure apt on ubuntu to use a proxy ? Or where may i found something ? Thanks and sorry for trouble :)
[02:13] <viper12> I used to blah.  ran a corporation for awhile....but like I said, a real time sucker.  I'll probably get back into it again after a few projects I'm working on smooth out.
[02:14] <blah09> definitely, my subscription ended yesterday i needed a break too
[02:15] <viper12> lol.  I operated out of the catch region down in the southern parts.  you?
[02:15] <viper12> sorry Larry...were you asking about the command line apt? or???
[02:15] <blah09> aridia, kor azor, sometimes alliance space when shopping for minerals =)
[02:16] <LarryT-ubuntu> yep :)
[02:16] <viper12> cool blah.  we had ops mostly in .4 and 0.0 space, and it was non-stop pc rat fighting...good times. lol.
[02:16] <blah09> :D
[02:17] <LarryT-ubuntu> i must use a proxy to use apt, but there is no apt.conf file and i really don't know how to configure it :/
[02:17] <viper12> man I'd use synaptics if I were you.  hella easier, imho.
[02:17] <dwa_> did you try synaptic?
[02:17] <viper12> lol
[02:18] <dwa_> settings : preferences : network
[02:18] <dwa_> lol viper12
[02:18] <LarryT-ubuntu> didnt think about it ;)
[02:18] <LarryT-ubuntu> gonna try :) thx
[02:18] <viper12> :)
[02:19] <shock_> hm... i still need a program to concat 2 movies to one large one
[02:19] <shock_> would suck to burn 2 movies seperately to one dvd
[02:19] <flosch> hi
[02:20] <goldfish_> shock_: what format are they?
[02:20] <shock_> avi
[02:20] <shock_> the usual - ripped from a dvd....
[02:20] <shock_> but unfortunatley ripped before i had a dvd burner
[02:20] <shock_> sooo... now i want them whole again
[02:21] <goldfish_> will cat not do it?
[02:21] <shock_> errrr... dont think so *g*
[02:21] <viper12> with avi's its a tad trickier than that goldfish.  I use virtualdub for that on xp.  still haven't checked out the linux versions.
[02:22] <goldfish_> oh right, sorry, im a n00b, just curious :)
[02:22] <shock_> well... i wish it would be as simple as cat ;)
[02:22] <goldfish_> it worked for me with .mpg files
[02:22] <goldfish_> ah yes, it wont
[02:22] <viper12> its okay....a good question...but a lot of the time, cutting two or more avi's together can be a mess, specially if the bitrates for the two pieces don't quite line up.
[02:23] <viper12> so shock.....I'd say Virtualdub (via sourceforge's site) or virtualdubmod.....but its windows based....if you're linux only...don't know.
[02:24] <viper12> still edu-ma-cating myself on this side of the fence.
[02:25] <shock_> hm
[02:25] <shock_> i have a windows machine here
[02:25] <goldfish_> cat 1.avi 2.avi | mencoder -noidx -ovc copy -oac copy -o output.avi -
[02:25] <shock_> but dont get me wrong: i _want_ linux software
[02:25] <shock_> ;)
[02:25] <goldfish_> mencoder will do it apparantly
[02:25] <goldfish_> http://cmp.felk.cvut.cz/~svoboda/MakingVideos/
[02:25] <shock_> hmmm... interesting
[02:25] <viper12> virtual dub is soooo clean and simple its not even funny.
[02:26] <blah09> :)
[02:26] <bborkk> how many people here consider themselves programmers?  what percentage?  just curious.
[02:26] <viper12> well, not simple.......but its clean.
[02:26] <goldfish_> sounds cool :)
[02:26] <mjr> goldfish_, I tried that once. It completely screwed up keyframe indexes so that skipping produced funky effects
[02:26] <goldfish_> lol
[02:26] <evarlast> I think virtual dub may run in wine!
[02:26] <blah09> im not one
[02:26] <viper12> it oughta.
[02:26] <blah09> (@bborkk)
[02:26] <bborkk> mencoder should be able to do it... i've used it to stitch together images into a movie, but not movies themselves.
[02:26] <viper12> best part.....vdub be free.
[02:26] <viper12> :)
[02:26] <shock_> i am a programmer
[02:26] <shock_> =)
[02:27] <goldfish_> bborkk: i am studying to become a programmer
[02:27] <viper12> I am........NOT a programmer.  heh heh
[02:27] <bborkk> i'd guess that makes you one.  :)
[02:27] <goldfish_> sort of :)
[02:27] <EvanCarroll> Im a programmer in my own right, but those that do so for a profession would probably file me closer to the 'script kiddie' class
[02:28] <goldfish_> heh
[02:28] <EvanCarroll> honest atleast =/
[02:28] <viper12> there are two roads in computer land.  one way is admin, the other is code....and rarely do the two co-exist.  ;)
[02:28] <bborkk> i'm not talking about making money, just writing code.
[02:28] <goldfish_> i'd like to go the admin road
[02:28] <EvanCarroll> viper12: the two coexist alot.
[02:28] <shock_> oh well ... I'll try the mencoder thing =)
[02:28] <shock_> looks really kewl
[02:28] <viper12> not in the same body. evan.  lol.
[02:28] <shock_> and promising
[02:28] <goldfish_> shock_: good luck :)
[02:28] <shock_> thx
[02:29] <bborkk> goldfish_: yeah, i think it will be really nice once they clean up the interface a bit.
[02:29] <evarlast> I exist in the same body.  I code.  I admin.
[02:29] <EvanCarroll> viper12: all 'admins' should know atleast a scripting languages, and all programmers should have a good foundation in systems and administration
[02:29] <evarlast> EvanCarroll++  EXACTLY!
[02:29] <viper12> thats not the same thing as a CODER and ya know it. ;) ;)
 i'd like to go the admin road <-- who woudnt ;)
[02:29] <goldfish_> All the admins I know are programmers.
[02:30] <goldfish_> shock_: :)
[02:30] <evarlast> any admin that sells themselves short on the scripting part is foolish.
[02:30] <EvanCarroll> I do both =/ i just need to find a job that can keep me engaged in both =/
[02:30] <viper12> I'm an admin, and I stay the hell the way outta the coder's way.  Knowing a thing and doing a thing aint the same.......thing.
[02:30] <shock_> lol... how to admin without scripting? O_o
[02:30] <EvanCarroll> I just got fired for the 'scripting part' the 12th of last month =/ but for knowing it -- funny story aucutally if you want me to sidetrack the whole room
[02:30] <viper12> a nerve hath been struck.
[02:30] <viper12> lol
[02:30] <shock_> but scriting is like talking... just a basis... some good c/c++ knowledge is advisable i think
[02:31] <evarlast> EvanCarroll: you weren't supposed to script?
[02:31] <bborkk> sweet.
[02:31] <evarlast> I'm an admin, and I tell the programmers how to program.
[02:31] <dud> im a bit of both
[02:31] <shock_> lol @ everlast
[02:31] <dud> consultant with content management
[02:31] <viper12> As I mentioned....being conversant in a subject doesn't make a person a programmer.  A programmer gets lost in front of the screen....an admin must deal with the public and other assorted crud.
[02:31] <shock_> *Sigh* did I mention i like dd?
[02:31] <viper12> lol shock
[02:32] <EvanCarroll> evarlast: -- I was asked to cut through red tape and do so, while i had signed an offical document saying i woulden't download anything, my program encreased effeciency by ~600% and i was terminated because one of the guys from the MIS department called downloading perl a 'dire security hazard'
[02:32] <evarlast> viper12: HA!  It seems as though you are speaking from somewhat limitted experience.
[02:32] <bborkk> shock_: only second edition for me.
[02:32] <EvanCarroll> increased =/
[02:32] <sime> tryin to help out a friend with installing ubuntu, i think the harddrive has had it. theres a kernel oops when using the livecd and also the install CD cannot format the disk. I was wishing to use the live cd to fsck, should i try another live distro to run fsck ?
[02:32] <evarlast> EvanCarroll: can I ask what company?  PM is fine :)
[02:32] <sime> tryin to help out a friend with installing ubuntu, i think the harddrive has had it. theres a kernel oops when using the livecd and also the install CD cannot format the disk. I was wishing to use the live cd to fsck, should i try another live distro to run fsck ?
[02:32] <EvanCarroll> having problems on this end now trying to make a website to get my name out and ive been up 24hrs now =/
[02:32] <viper12> sigh.......18 years of limited experience evar.  I wasn't talking about NOT knowing code....but the job differences are large........sheesh.
[02:33] <sime> also running memtest from the live CD doesn't work at all.
[02:33] <membreya> howdy all
[02:33] <bborkk> sime: sounds bad.
[02:33] <bborkk> viper12: dude, it's just like "quiggly down under"
[02:33] <evarlast> EvanCarroll: because I've done similar here at my new job.  And I'd hate to think they would say that about what I've done.
[02:33] <viper12> lol
[02:34] <sime> bborkk, hard drive  issue ?
[02:34] <bborkk> sime: yeah.
[02:34] <membreya> wondering if someone can offer assistance to me regarding compiling some screensavers.
[02:34] <bborkk> membreya: what's the problem?
[02:34] <sime> bborkk, but should the livecd really be doing much to the harddrive ?
[02:34] <dud> membreya, go a head and ask
[02:34] <membreya> it says that getopt is missing but required ..even tho I have it installed :|
[02:34] <dud> sime, isnt it a memory issue?
[02:35] <bborkk> sime: shouldn't be doing anything as far as i know.  i haven't actually used it yet, though.
[02:35] <membreya> also having problems with JRE for the latest openoffice..but I'll tackle that one myself :)
[02:35] <Alessio> i must convert a .svg file in .png by console, what cna i use? gimp-console? convert?
[02:36] <Riddell> Alessio: ksvgtopng
[02:36] <Riddell> Alessio: also inkscape will do it
[02:36] <Alessio> by console?
[02:37] <dud> convert should work shouldnt it?
[02:37] <sime> dud, i'm using the pressed livecd's... does memtest work ?
[02:37] <jdub> Alessio: rsvg :)
[02:37] <Alessio> not with svg :(
[02:37] <dud> sime, havent tried it... but i guess so
[02:37] <sime> dud, have tried two different CD's on two different machines... not looking good
[02:38] <Alessio> can i launch gimp-console?
[02:38] <Alessio> where is it?
[02:39] <dud> sime, try another rescue like cd then?
[02:39] <dud> perhaps it doesnt work...
[02:39] <membreya> hmm ...noone can help with my getopt problem? :(
[02:41] <sime> dud, thats the plan, will take over some memory with me as well.
[02:41] <dud> yeah, nothing else to do i suppose
[02:43] <blah09> is openoffice.org the metapackage for the entire suite?
[02:43] <randabis> yes
[02:44] <blah09> thx
[02:45] <viper12> test
[02:45] <iapx8088> anyone knows if asp::apache goes also with mod_perl2 and apache2
[02:46] <lamont> Slant: there's another copy of that line later that you need to delete...
[02:47] <membreya> grrrr this getopt is perturbing meeeeee :'(
[02:49] <viper12> that sounds like me when I was fighting through a debian install and x11 kept barfin.
[02:50] <Alessio> i must convert a a lot of .svg file in .png by console
[02:50] <Alessio> inkscape is not good
[02:50] <jdub> Alessio: you want rsvg
[02:51] <Alessio> rsvg isn'nt in ubuntu
[02:51] <imnes> I've added a wireless card to my system (hoary) and acitvated it through the network config GUI in gnome, and deactivated the wired card.  However when I reboot it still tries to activate the wired connection and ignores the wireless, can I make the changes permanent somewhere?
[02:51] <randabis> librsvg
[02:51] <dud> chisel it in a stone
[02:51] <randabis> just apt searched
[02:52] <randabis> librsvg2-bin and some other packages
[02:52] <randabis> I'm using hoary though
[02:52] <viper12> you need to delete the wired card in the network settings. (had the same deal).
[02:53] <viper12> just hi-lite the network card and click delete.
[02:53] <randabis> imnes check /etc/network/interfaces
[02:53] <randabis> set the wifi to auto and make wired manual
[02:54] <viper12> ..............unless o' course you already did that and its not responding....but if that's happening, you oughta bug report it. (the gui SHOULD work).
[02:54] <imnes> ok thanks
[02:54] <randabis> and make sure the module is set to load automatically in /etc/modules
[02:55] <viper12> randabis.......you shouldn't havta.  Ubuntu is trying for a cleaner/easier way of doing it.  If my Dad saw that, and someone said: 'make sure that slashshlash blah blah is set to blah blah...he'd walk off.
[02:56] <viper12> just sayin' that if its not working right via GUI in hoary, it oughta be reported is all.
[02:56] <Alessio> great
[02:56] <randabis> well it depends on the module
[02:56] <Alessio> thanks randabis :D
[02:56] <randabis> ndiswrapper is something that needs to be added for example
[02:56] <viper12> yep.
[02:57] <randabis> Alessio, np, don't know what I helped you with, but no prob
[02:57] <randabis> OH
[02:57] <randabis> rsvg
[02:57] <randabis> hehe
[02:57] <viper12> lol
[02:58] <membreya> this teaches me for going away from linux for 5 years...forgotten everything..ubuntu makes me feel warm and fuzzy tho
[02:58] <membreya> so...windowzesque
[02:58] <randabis> uh...no..
[02:58] <viper12> without fifty reboots/hour, eh?
[02:58] <viper12> heh heh
[02:58] <randabis> it's not much like windows at all
[02:58] <randabis> and that's one of the reasons I use it
[02:58] <viper12> although, with stardock on xp, this doesn't feel toooo much different.  lol
[02:59] <membreya> it has a gui and is "fairly" simple...once I go beyond the gui tho I'm lost
[02:59] <membreya> hey windowz is okish ...kinda..record uptime I had for a win2k workstation was 70 days and it was only killed by a powerout
[03:00] <shock_> anyone else experiencing alot of "bungled" cd-writings in hoary?
[03:00] <randabis> I don't like windows
[03:00] <shock_> doesnt seem to be just my burner as i feared
[03:00] <shock_> since a friend of mine has the same
[03:00] <viper12> I did shock.......I set the burner to 1/2 of max, and it worked.
[03:00] <randabis> shock_, no..been working fine with gnomebaker
[03:00] <viper12> (cheap cd's was my issue.)
[03:00] <shock_> hm
[03:01] <membreya> oh...that brings me to my next question..with the GRUB loader at the startup..it lists 3 kernels..normal, 64 bit and 64bit recovery..I'm assuming by loading normal it's not the 64 bit version
[03:01] <randabis> not sure...I'm still on a 32bit system
[03:01] <viper12> what box are you running mem?
[03:02] <membreya> athlon 64 3200+, 512mb DDR, 120gb Western Digital SATA
[03:02] <membreya> haven't even tried my cd/dvd burner yet in ubuntu
[03:02] <randabis> you'll probably wanna get gnomebaker...nautilus cd burning works, but most people don't like it
[03:02] <viper12> not completely sure there mem, but if you loaded the amd 64 kernel........shrugs.
[03:03] <viper12> (when ya installed.)
[03:03] <membreya> oh and an nvidia geforce 4000 that I'm too scared to load drivers for...lol already reinstalled ubuntu 4 times cos I've screwed the x config and I only have the one PC
[03:05] <goldfish_> lol
[03:05] <randabis> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:05] <randabis> couldn't be much easier to load nvidia than that
[03:05] <randabis> oh, and restarting x
[03:05] <viper12> yep.
[03:05] <viper12> running the 5200fx here, and it worked clean.
[03:05] <membreya> ....but is that the latest linux drivers or just the latest stored in the repository?
[03:06] <membreya> also need to get the TV out working..that's the only reason I have to boot into windows right now
[03:06] <randabis> depends on what version you're running...if you're on warty than it is 61.11
[03:06] <randabis> hoary has the latest
[03:06] <membreya> if I can get TV out working then I can ditch windows
[03:06] <nonliquet> hello
[03:06] <membreya> scorched earth approch ;)
[03:07] <viper12> the latest nvidia drivers do have better overall support and the reports i've read show better fps....but I'm waiting for hoary to go 'stable' before uppin' them.
[03:07] <viper12> the 61.1's workin' great over here as is.
[03:07] <randabis> hoary rocks :)
[03:08] <viper12> yep.  going to be throwing that on the laptop later today or tomorrow after data backup.  the live cd for it loaded and found everything...freaked me out.
[03:09] <randabis> it boots and runs faster than warty imho
[03:09] <viper12> i'll take your word on that one....booting from cd ain't zactly fast. heh heh
[03:09] <membreya> grrrrr, think I might call it a night..packages just aren't going my way...
[03:09] <membreya>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[03:09] <viper12> ouch mem
[03:09] <membreya> when trying to install gnomebaker
[03:09] <saif> hello, do u know if i can copy the downloaded packages to a cd, so i wouldn't have to download from the internet on every1 machine i want to upgrade???
[03:10] <inc1> sup room
[03:10] <viper12> mem, why not escape with grub and select the 64 bit versio...and THEN try it.
[03:10] <membreya> *sniffles* by by uptime
[03:10] <randabis> membreya, oh yeah..sorry about that...I don't know if gnomebaker has a 64bit port or not
[03:10] <membreya> 01:10:31 up 22:16,  2 users,  load average: 1.03, 1.20, 1.20
[03:10] <membreya> ;)
[03:11] <membreya> damn you open sources...support my 64bitness!
[03:11] <viper12> saif, just use synaptic to just 'download'.  then go to the repos directory and copy em' off to a cd.
[03:11] <inc1> lol mem
[03:11] <saif> and the repos directory would be in?
[03:11] <saif> apt-cache?
[03:11] <inc1> any one good with getting sound to work
[03:11] <viper12> believe so saif.
[03:12] <saif> ok
[03:12] <saif> thanx!
[03:12] <mvo_> saif: /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:12] <looksaus> ubuntu lets me install to root on software raid 1
[03:12] <looksaus> but it doesn't include md and raid1 support in its initrd kernel
[03:12] <viper12> saif, if you've checked the 'leave in cache' selection in synaptic, thats where they oughta be.
[03:12] <looksaus> which means the resulting system is unbootable
[03:13] <viper12> or.......he left. lol
[03:13] <looksaus> is there a special reason behind this?
[03:13] <looksaus> is this planned to change?
[03:13] <looksaus> should I file a bug?
[03:13] <guim> hi BiteMeBIll
[03:14] <guim> hi BiteMeBill
[03:14] <guim> remember me yesterday?
[03:14] <viper12> which version of ubuntu look?
[03:14] <BiteMeBill> hey there guim:
[03:14] <viper12> warty or hoary?
[03:14] <guim> i tested another keyboard
[03:14] <guim> this morning
[03:14] <guim> without success...
[03:14] <BiteMeBill> guim: And?
[03:15] <BiteMeBill> guim: that is a strange one.
[03:15] <looksaus> viper12, hoary
[03:16] <BiteMeBill> Does anyone know if there is a host file that I can edit?  Need to use it so that when my external IP is put in that it goes to the internal server.
[03:16] <looksaus> but it's the same on hoary, I think
[03:16] <looksaus> (I'm running my own old 2.6.6 kernel, but this means no udev support
[03:16] <inc1> yeah you can edit the hosts from netowrk properties
[03:16] <viper12> clean install?  or different 'install f-number selection).
[03:16] <BiteMeBill> inc1: Tried that it isn't working.
[03:17] <looksaus> viper12, I had Debian Sarge running on this machine before
[03:17] <guim> so I still get this message
[03:17] <guim> telling me to press f1 or enter to boot
[03:17] <guim> and a first line with Isolinux, ... and some copyright stuff
[03:17] <guim> keyboard not respondong
[03:17] <looksaus> went back to a minimal install and dist-upgraded to hoary
[03:17] <randabis> you should use ubuntu's kernel probably
[03:17] <guim> and the install not starting, i can't do anything
[03:17] <inc1> well then it's in the normal place /etc/hosts
[03:17] <guim> I think I will try the Debian installer
[03:17] <viper12> nods.  I saw some stuff in the forums earlier about issues with install problems via ubuntu and different drive configs....i'd report it.
[03:17] <looksaus> but same thing on a clean hoary install
[03:17] <inc1> ip <tab> hostname
[03:18] <randabis> yeah file zee bug
[03:18] <BiteMeBill> inc1: hmmm...  Now I should have known to look in /etc/
[03:18] <BiteMeBill> BRB
[03:18] <inc1> np
[03:19] <randabis> BiteMeBill, /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny
[03:19] <viper12> wb membreya
[03:19] <inc1> any one have issue playing sounds even though gstreamer 8 mad is installed
[03:19] <membreya> ty ;) loaded into the 64bit kernel..think I might just edit GRUB to make it default
[03:19] <viper12> cool mem.  you might wanna try that package install again.  lol
[03:20] <membreya> nope...still the same..
[03:20] <viper12> incl......what kinda' sound card? and what apps are you trying to use?
[03:20] <membreya> still says it doesnt match
[03:20] <membreya> damn being l33t hurts :P
[03:20] <viper12> possible their not 64bit-able eh mem?
[03:20] <membreya> gah! still getting the getopt error on slick screensavers
[03:21] <membreya> damn you I have getopt installed!
[03:21] <viper12> time to roll out the bug report pen eh mem?
[03:22] <viper12> ;)
[03:22] <randabis> uh...install.exe?
[03:22] <randabis> we don't use exes here
[03:22] <membreya> teehee randabis ;) I know ...just holding on to that microsoft side of me
[03:23] <viper12> lol
[03:23] <housetier> mono uses .exe :)
[03:23] <membreya> installing nvidia drivers now ...if I don't come back you know it's cos I've killed x again ;)
[03:23] <viper12> that was the HARDEST thing for me to get over when I came back to linux.
[03:23] <randabis> well mono's weird so blegh
[03:23] <inc1> it's a cs4236 i'm trying to use rythembox and xmms they both don't work. i can play music cds though
[03:24] <randabis> make sure you're using esound/esd
[03:24] <membreya> gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! now I get an error install nvidia drivers :'(
[03:24] <housetier> mono is quite usable
[03:24] <randabis> didn't say it wasn't usable
[03:24] <viper12> well rythmbox......is crappa-box if you ask me.  but if you can play music cd's.....hmmm.
[03:24] <randabis> membreya, it sounds like you may have both 32bit and 64bit on the same system and that's causing problems
[03:24] <ArdieM> hmm i upgraded to hoary
[03:25] <randabis> I think you need to use one or the other
[03:25] <ArdieM> but the volume control is gone
[03:25] <membreya> hmmmm ...maybe deleting <IP_ADDRESS>-3 was a problem :|
[03:25] <ArdieM> how to start it ?
[03:25] <inc1> i'm in gstreamer-properties but when i choose esd i get Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'
[03:25] <randabis> ArdieM, Run Application --> gnome-volume-control
[03:25] <BiteMeBill> UGH!
[03:25] <inc1> if i choose alsa or oss they are already being used
[03:26] <BiteMeBill> inc1: any other ideas?
[03:26] <ArdieM> Registry is not present or it is corrupted, please update it by running gst-register
[03:26] <inc1> that should work what happens?
[03:26] <ArdieM> sudo: gst-register: command not found
[03:26] <BiteMeBill> inc1: connection is refused.
[03:26] <inc1> can u connect with the ip
[03:27] <BiteMeBill> yes.
[03:27] <randabis> ArdieM, try your dist-upgrade again...kinda sounds like it may not have finished all the way
[03:27] <membreya> why is the nvidia apt-get trying to load /boot/System.map-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic???
[03:27] <BiteMeBill> inc1: right now I have the firewall closing port 80 so that I can be sure that it's not trying to go out.
[03:28] <blah> blah09 is in use.. =/
[03:28] <ArdieM> can i dist-upgrade in gnome
[03:28] <ArdieM> or is that not good ?
[03:28] <srid> does anyone know a working anjuta2 deb repository?
[03:28] <randabis> that's fine
[03:28] <randabis> doesn't matter
[03:28] <randabis> just reboot after it's completely finished
[03:28] <srid> deb http://martianrock.com/debian binary/ no longer works!
[03:28] <randabis> if you get errors try apt-get -f install
[03:28] <inc1> weird, so you put the ip and host name like this in /etc/hosts <IP_ADDRESS> domain.com www.domain.com
[03:29] <viper12> incl did you get libmikmod as well?
[03:29] <membreya> tried -f install but it still searches for /boot/System.map-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic ......grrrrrf
[03:29] <BiteMeBill> inc1: I'm not using a domain.  Just an IP
[03:29] <inc1> viper12: yup... i've got so many packages heh
[03:30] <randabis> did you try /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny?
[03:30] <viper12> was just double checking.  I used the howto forum page to install mplayer/nvidia and xmms.....but I'm running an SBLive! card, so it could be the CS chipset that's causing probs for you.
[03:30] <inc1> BiteMeBill: what exactly are you trying to do again
[03:30] <BiteMeBill> inc1: ie <IP_ADDRESS> = <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:30] <inc1> oh you are trying to do ip forwarding.. you do that in iptables or on your router
[03:32] <BiteMeBill> inc1: No I'm not trying to forward yet.....  From internal network need to access the pages as if I was outside the network.  So that the links work properly.
[03:32] <inc1> outside you aren't going to use the ip.. you are going to use the name correct
[03:33] <BiteMeBill> inc1: Even if I have the it forwarded it doesn't work cause you can't ping your own eternal IP address.
[03:33] <membreya> resolve.conf configured? ;)
[03:33] <randabis> resolv
[03:33] <membreya> :D
[03:33] <inc1> you should be able to ping inter ips within that netowrk
[03:33] <ArdieM> the taskbar (bottom) is grouping ... i dont want that
[03:33] <BiteMeBill> inc1: if I was to purchase a domain name..
[03:33] <viper12> last question on that one....did you get the libmikmod2 as well incl?
[03:33] <BiteMeBill> Yes I can.
[03:34] <inc1> but that's the beauty of /etc/hosts... you can put aol.com and it will work only on your comp
[03:34] <membreya> ArdieM: right click on the task bar and go to preferences, then go to never group windows
[03:34] <inc1> viper12: yup
[03:35] <BiteMeBill> inc1: but then I have to set the code in the php files on the server differently. Since I'm not using a domain name and just using a static IP
[03:35] <ArdieM> membreya: there is no option called "never group windows"
[03:35] <viper12> hrumph.  I'd be looking at the card itself.......compatibility wise......unless somethings fub'd in the config or install of the libs
[03:35] <inc1> your code should be using relative paths so it doesn't matter
[03:35] <viper12> gotta puff. bb
[03:36] <membreya> ArdieM: it should be listed under "grouping" make sure you right click on the right area
[03:36] <inc1> cya viper12
[03:36] <ArdieM> membreya: ok i found it thx
[03:36] <membreya> np ;) wooohoo ...2 days in ubuntu and I can answer a question :P
[03:36] <BiteMeBill> inc1: from outside the network it works fine.  But from inside the network it won't due to the fact I can't loop back in using my external IP address.
[03:37] <inc1> is your webserver running on your own comp or another one within your network
[03:38] <BiteMeBill> inc1: it's running on another system within the network..
[03:38] <membreya> so can anyone answer my nvidia-glx is searching for my old kernel ? :|
[03:38] <inc1> and you can't pull ip the site with the ip of that machine
[03:39] <membreya> can't you just alias the internal network connections...ie www.blah.com = 192.168.0.x
[03:39] <membreya> ?
[03:39] <BiteMeBill> inc1: yes I can.  But when click a link it serves you the external IP address so then it fails.
[03:39] <ArdieM> how can i change the language ?
[03:39] <BiteMeBill> membreya: if I purchase a domain name for it would work that way.
[03:39] <inc1> oh ok i see... your links shouldn't be directing you to the ip
[03:40] <membreya> can't you use one of the free domain providers out there?
[03:40] <inc1> those static links would need to change for every server you transfer your code to
[03:40] <BiteMeBill> inc1: I would agree...  But Mambo, Drupal and wordpress all code it in.
[03:41] <inc1> vi my man vi
[03:41] <ArdieM> ive choosen german @ warthy install, then i made a dist-upgrade, now its german english mixed... that suckz, i want to have it in 1 langage... when german is not possible than i want it all in english
[03:42] <ArdieM> how can i do this ?
[03:42] <BiteMeBill> membrya: I  was trying not to go that route.  But if I can't figure this out then I will have to.
[03:42] <inc1> what if you use a domain in you links which is still static but then you can edit your /etc/hosts to point that domain to your ip then your links would take you to the domain and they would resolve to the ight ip
[03:43] <membreya> inc1: isn't that what I said? :|
[03:43] <BiteMeBill> inc1: I think that would work but that would have to be a last effort.  I know it works properly when I edit the host file in Windbloz but can
[03:43] <t31> quick question, can i use quanta without any risk under gnome?
[03:43] <josue> hey everyone
[03:43] <inc1> nope you are trying to have an ip resolve to another ip and that's not going to work
[03:43] <BiteMeBill> 't get it to behave in here.
[03:43] <josue> quick question, xorg is using up almost 60% of my ram, is this normal?
[03:43] <BiteMeBill> inc1: yes that is what I am trying to do.
[03:44] <inc1> but that won't work... if you are goign to have static links you want to use a domain name not an ip
[03:44] <BiteMeBill> inc1: seems smoothwall has taken that little feature out of their disto so now I have to do it locally.
[03:45] <josue> it wasn't like this before, and it's slowing my system
[03:45] <BiteMeBill> inc1: if you have static ip what is the difference other than this little bugger?
[03:45] <membreya> cmon incl...answer my nvidia apt-get is looking for <IP_ADDRESS>-3 kernel :P where would it be referenced in my system?
[03:46] <inc1> i have no idea.. mem
[03:46] <membreya> awwwww :'(
[03:46] <BiteMeBill> inc1: I'll go try a ni-ip.org name and see what it does.
[03:46] <inc1> i know websites though.. i know what issue bitemebill is having.. changing the code would fix it
[03:47] <membreya> it also has the error message -kernel-1.0.6111 is not configured yet.
[03:47] <BiteMeBill> inc1: I agree but that is all the code that they have done that I would have to change.
[03:47] <inc1> if you edit your links with a text editor make them relative so instead of <IP_ADDRESS>/pages/index.html it's just /pages/index.html
[03:48] <inc1> exactly bitemebill it does have to change.. thats the problem with static links.. for every web server you transfer your code to it will have to change
[03:48] <BiteMeBill> inc1: I agree....  I took the lazy way out and downloaded wordpress and installed it and set it up and now I'm paying for it.
[03:49] <inc1> well better to fix it now than later
[03:50] <viper12> mem, which driver version of nvidia are you trying to intall?
[03:50] <BiteMeBill> inc1: but it's working for all the others..  And only a few like me..  LMAO  Guess I can't be just lazy.  LOL
[03:50] <inc1> not when it comes to coding.. that bites you in the long run.. lol
[03:51] <membreya> am trying: sudo apt-get -f install nvidia-glx
[03:51] <membreya> and it's searching for <IP_ADDRESS>-3 kernel when I have <IP_ADDRESS>-4 installed
[03:51] <membreya> and I've deleted the -3 kernel :|
[03:51] <ArdieM> my gnome-volume-control is not in the taskbar. No volume control elements and/or devices found.
[03:52] <membreya> ArdieM: is your sound working?
[03:52] <Mitario> heyhey
[03:52] <Mitario> can anyone tell me to what component I should report a bugreport if an onboard soundcard isn't working
[03:52] <inc1> sound it evil
[03:52] <viper12> okay mem.......which version of the BASE nvidia driver do you have on the system?
[03:53] <ArdieM> membreya: yes
[03:53] <membreya> I haven't installed any other drivers other than the ones that come by default
[03:53] <membreya> so my driver is nv at the moment
[03:53] <inc1> g2g.. work calls
[03:53] <membreya> have fun inc1 ;)
[03:55] <viper12> mem, go to synaptic....refresh the lists and then look for nvidia via search.  if the 61.11 driver isn't installed.....that could be a problem. (it changes the config to "nvidia") and is newer.
[03:55] <viper12> the glx and such may not work properly without that being there first.
[03:55] <viper12> hoary or warty mem?  (can't remember what you'd said the install was.)
[03:56] <ArdieM> the dist-upgrade borke alot
[03:56] <ArdieM> ..... im unhappy atm. when i reghtkliock on a file and select propereties: nautilus is crashing
[03:57] <membreya> viper12: I'm running 64bit warty
[03:58] <membreya> went to synaptic and removed all references to nvidia
[03:58] <suifur> membreya, how's it work?
[03:58] <membreya> then I try and do a sudo apt-get -i nvidia-glx and I get the same error
[03:58] <membreya> only having this problem since I upgraded the kernel
[03:58] <viper12> mem.........dangit. lol.
[03:58] <foobar-xs> have an issue on hoary, i am unable to install mplayer....do i need a diff repo to get it??
[03:59] <viper12> when I installed the 61.1x driver.......the howto had me installing the base driver BEFORE applying the glx and such.  If your nvidia driver is older than the 61. (and it probably is), then you're gonna have probs with glx on the newer kernel.
[04:00] <Guardiann> foobar-xs there are several mplayer choices in synaptic
[04:00] <membreya> ...there's no nvidia installed now tho viper..just removed the <IP_ADDRESS>-3 headers
[04:00] <membreya> see if that makes a difference
[04:01] <membreya> hmm looking at the apt-get and it says:
[04:01] <membreya> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[04:01] <membreya>   linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic nvidia-glx
[04:01] <membreya>   nvidia-kernel-common
[04:01] <membreya> i don't want it to get the <IP_ADDRESS>-3 i want it to get -4!!! >:(
[04:02] <viper12> nods.  if that goes poof........you might wanna just move to the .6629 driver.    This thread is a complete walk through on the newer one:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12823
[04:02] <viper12> the guy is a pure believe in compiling from source, but go through the thread...might be something in there.
[04:02] <blah09> heh why isnt he running gentoo then
[04:03] <viper12> oh blarg...........hey mem.....what repositories do you have listed in synaptic?
[04:03] <MoB_> hi all
[04:03] <viper12> lol blah.
[04:03] <membreya> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories <--- everything in there except the last 4 (not able to find them)
[04:04] <christianp> hi all
[04:04] <MoB_> i've a problem with the network startup, it doesn't load correctly :(
[04:04] <viper12> do you have universe/metaverse?
[04:04] <viper12> er........multiverse?
[04:04] <christianp> i installed ubuntu on my laptop, but it doesn't recognize a lot of devices
[04:05] <membreya> viper12: as I said..everything in that sources file except the last 4 repositories
[04:05] <MoB_> it recognize all, but doesnt load the network config properly, i have to enable by hand
[04:05] <[Spooky] > yo yo!
[04:06] <viper12> nods.  mem, the merillat stuff is down I think. couldn't get those going either.
[04:06] <membreya> MoB_: is it allowing DHCP? (I had to manually put my IP in for my network card)
[04:06] <zombics> when I am trying to install limewire its tellimg me i need to install VM prior to run this program... what i neeed to do?
[04:06] <[Spooky] > im trying to start k3b and get an error and then there is no cd-burner to choose, anyone have any idea ?
[04:07] <Iddi> What directory is the 'top level of the gs source tree'?
[04:07] <MoB_> membreya: yes, in /etc/network/interface is enabled "eth1 inet dhcp"
[04:07] <ArdieM> how can i add the gnome-volume-control to the systray ???
[04:07] <membreya> mob_: tried establishing it with just a static ip?
[04:07] <MoB_> zombics: you need to install the Java JRE to run limewire
[04:08] <MoB_> membreya: but its my internet connection, so i have to do it automatically (dynamic ip)
[04:08] <zombics> MoB_, where can i get the java jre?
[04:09] <viper12> ardie are you talking about the bottom panel?  if so, just right click, and add to panel...select volume control from dialog box.
[04:09] <MoB_> zombics: look at the www.ubuntuguide.org ;)
[04:09] <membreya> zombics: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[04:10] <ArdieM> could someone show me a FAT32 NTFS and EXT3 fstab entry ??
[04:10] <Iddi> What directory is the 'top level of the gs source tree'?
[04:10] <MoB_> membreya: this problem appears when i was playing with the init.d/scripts, when i first installed ubuntu it works fine
[04:11] <membreya> how exactly do you have to bring it up manually?
[04:11] <membreya> an ifconfig -up?
[04:11] <dud> membreya, encourage people to use blackdown... its GPL and just as good
[04:11] <dud> well, in my personal opinion that is...
[04:11] <membreya> sorry dud ;)
[04:11] <MoB_> with the network-applet
[04:12] <dud> nothing ubuntu policy, just my opinion ;)
[04:12] <MoB_> ArdieM:  /dev/hda1       /media/windows    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0 (look at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs)
[04:13] <Anubis> Unpacking replacement zenity ...
[04:13] <Anubis> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:13] <Anubis>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-icon-theme_2.9.91-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[04:13] <MoB_> network-applet calls network-config so i enabled that way
[04:13] <jdub> Anubis: just run upgrade again
[04:13] <ewhitten> This is great.  Another day, more new packages!
[04:13] <Anubis> thx
[04:13] <jdub> Anubis: it won't happen for other people, a fix has been uploaded and will be available soon
[04:14] <membreya> *cries* why is nvidia gfx trying to load my old kernel? :|
[04:15] <[Spooky] > anyone good with cdrdao ?
[04:15] <MoB_> [Spooky] : why don't jut use nautilus?
[04:15] <MoB_> just*
[04:15] <Iddi> Anyone know what the 'top level of the gs source tree' is?
[04:15] <merriam> Anyone else noticed a new flakiness in xmms in hoary?  little skips like a bad mp3
[04:15] <[Spooky] > MoB_: i would if that would work...
[04:16] <MoB_> [Spooky] : it gives you an error?
[04:16] <[Spooky] > MoB_: yes
[04:16] <dud> Iddi, gs is what? gstreamer?
[04:16] <Se7h> dam,
[04:16] <Anubis> merriam, xmms only seg faults for me, as well as mplayer
[04:16] <foobar-xs> is >> mplayer-custom 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1 << what i need for hoary??
[04:16] <Se7h> my synaptic just died
[04:16] <nonliquet> hello, i have a problem with the name deamon, after configuring the /etc/bind/db.files i get an error by typing nslookup <IP_ADDRESS> -> server can't find <IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa: NXDOMAIN
[04:16] <MoB_> [Spooky] : what error?, maybe you could start there
[04:16] <ArdieM> is this right? /dev/hda10 /mnt/hda10-HOME0 ext3 defaults 1 2
[04:16] <nonliquet> who can help me pls
[04:17] <merriam> Anubis: I've seen no segfaults in either.
[04:17] <[Spooky] > so does k3b and cdrdao...
[04:17] <Se7h> and i forgot the console command besides
[04:17] <foobar-xs> Se7h, don't feel bad..my synaptic won't install !! lol
[04:17] <[Spooky] > MoB_: let me see
[04:17] <Se7h> dpkg and dselect
[04:17] <Se7h> foobar-xs lol
[04:17] <Anubis> merriam, I just use rhythmbox and xine-ui until things get sorted out
[04:17] <Se7h> remind me the commands plz
[04:17] <MoB_> [Spooky] : if it gives you an error in all recorder apps, maybe its the configuration of the cdrw
[04:17] <Anubis> merriam, I think it may be the composite module I enabled for transparency in xorg
[04:18] <dud> Se7h, apt-get install <software>, apt-cache search <whatever>
[04:18] <Se7h> apt-get
[04:18] <Se7h> ah
[04:18] <Anubis> merriam, it also killed glxgears
[04:18] <[Spooky] > ok and where do i fixa that ?
[04:18] <Iddi> dud: No idea, I'm trying to compile something that requires the jpeg library (which I have compiled), and it has to be in the top level of the gs source tree and renamed to 'jpeg'
[04:18] <[Spooky] > MoB_:
[04:18] <Se7h> thats it
[04:18] <Se7h> thanks
[04:18] <Anubis> merriam, the fix for glxgears and Nvidia acceleration only freezes my display
[04:18] <merriam> Anubis: so you'd rather use different players than turn of transparency? :)
[04:18] <zOap_win> Hi, I have some problems with ubuntu. I've tried both Wharty and Hoary. The website description says that my SMC 2835W wireless card works but ubuntu doesnt recognise it.. help!!
[04:19] <MoB_> [Spooky] : first, you need to know what's the error thats nautilus,k3b,etc gives you
[04:19] <Anubis> I think its because of the AGPart driver is loading and not NVagp
[04:19] <Anubis> or whatnot?
[04:19] <[Spooky] > MoB_: yepp in on it...
[04:19] <EvanCarroll> Se7h: alias windows_update='sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[04:19] <dud> wee 200fps fullscreen glxgears :D
[04:19] <[Spooky] > *im
[04:19] <MoB_> :D
[04:19] <Se7h> EvanCarroll lol "windows" ? ;P
[04:20] <EvanCarroll> =D and you won't have to restart
[04:20] <dud> hehehe
[04:20] <MoB_> ahahaha
[04:20] <zOap_win> anyone?
[04:20] <ewhitten> zOap_win:  what version of the card do you have?
[04:20] <MoB_> "windows_update" <-- Lol!
[04:20] <Anubis> via_agp                 9408  1
[04:20] <zOap_win> v2
[04:20] <Anubis> agpgart                33704  2 via_agp
[04:20] <[Spooky] > MoB_: Nautulis gives: cdrecord: OPC failed.
[04:20] <zOap_win> MoB_: v2
[04:20] <dud> nor do you have to let a buggy application run compromisable software with admin privs
[04:20] <Anubis> nvidia               3470428  8
[04:21] <ewhitten> zOap_win:  so the cardbus version that should be working with prism54?
[04:21] <zOap_win> ewhitten: yes
[04:21] <Anubis> vesafb                  6820  0
[04:21] <EvanCarroll> dud: overestimating apt-get are we =/
[04:21] <MoB_> [Spooky] : have you seen the cdrecord bug-list?
[04:21] <ewhitten> zOap_win:  what does lspci -v tell you about the card?
[04:21] <MoB_> or error-code
[04:21] <MoB_> let me see
[04:21] <ewhitten> (it may show up as Intersil Corporation...)
[04:21] <Anubis> I guess it also depends on which kernel one uses
[04:22] <zOap_win> ewhitten, don't know.. currently I'm tryibng to install hoary all over again---
[04:22] <Iddi> Where are vendor source trees located?
[04:22] <zOap_win> ewhitten, yes it did the last time..
[04:22] <zOap_win> ewhitten, intersil that is..
[04:22] <[Spooky] > MoB_: let me start k3b and tell you what i get...
[04:22] <ArdieM> for what in hell is the device manager good for ??
[04:22] <MoB_> ok
[04:22] <ewhitten> zOap_win: okay, so it at least sees your card.  Did you get any lights on with the card?
[04:22] <ArdieM> just for looking ?? you cant change anything ?
[04:22] <Anubis> ArdieM, nanda
[04:23] <Anubis> ArdieM, nada
[04:23] <zOap_win> ewhitten, yes both lights. but they are static
[04:23] <ArdieM> Anubis: i just can change anything
[04:23] <MoB_> [Spooky] : what CD-RW do you have?
[04:23] <ArdieM> *cant
[04:23] <ewhitten> hmm.
[04:23] <Anubis> ArdieM, I know
[04:23] <ArdieM> then what is it good 4 ?
[04:24] <ArdieM> i.e. i want to change my sound driver... how ?
[04:24] <[Spooky] > MoB_: i get this: "There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. The message returned was: Could not read network connection list /home/spooky/.DCOPserver_TWTNet__0"
[04:24] <[Spooky] > MoB_: i have a NEC 1300 A
[04:24] <zOap_win> ewhitten, as you see this is really bugging me.. I have nop idea what to do..
[04:24] <MoB_> it's a removable?
[04:25] <[Spooky] > dvd/cd burner
[04:25] <[Spooky] > no
[04:25] <[Spooky] > a IDE
[04:25] <ewhitten> zOap_win:  understandable.  A few people have had similar problems to this.  Once you're done installing, you'll have to unplug your card, plug it back in, tell us what dmesg says.
[04:25] <LaurenceRowe> Is there any way I can stop my taskbar items moving about? This often happens when I close a program window so that that program only has one window open.
[04:26] <MoB_> [Spooky] : i've found this: http://lists.debian.org/cdwrite/2004/10/msg00097.html
[04:26] <zOap_win> ewhitten, ok. it'll probably take some time.. i'm installing ona sloooow laptop. i'll come back then. thanx for the help so far:)
[04:26] <ewhitten> no problem.  what we're all here for.
[04:27] <ArdieM> i cant find a point to change sound drivers @ the faq ...
[04:28] <viper12> i'm out. take care all.
[04:28] <foobar-xs> can someone tell me what i need to do to fix this?? I try to start mplayer and i get this error>> 3DNow supported but disabled 3DNowExt supported but disabled....Illegal instruction
[04:28] <viper12> quit
[04:28] <membreya> hmmmm lol
[04:28] <membreya> just tried to burn a cd
[04:28] <membreya> it won't mount my CD-rw :|
[04:29] <MoB_> do it manually :D
[04:29] <EvanCarroll> what do you think would look better on a resume as a TLD .biz .info .com or .name this a site who's soul purpose is to get me hired
[04:29] <njan> EvanCarroll, .com
[04:29] <EvanCarroll> =/ was thinking that too
[04:29] <njan> EvanCarroll, I wouldn't touch any of the others with a bargepole
[04:30] <LaurenceRowe> foobar-xs, try the non k6 mplayer debs
[04:30] <njan> EvanCarroll, they're no different, but they *look* unprofessional, for some reason.
[04:31] <LaurenceRowe> using anything other than a .com shows you do not have sufficient imagination to think up a still available .com name ;-)
[04:31] <EvanCarroll> njan: well i know they aren't any different, i just didn't know if .name .info or .com would look more professional =/ ill go with .com i suppose