[00:27] <jussi01> !kde4
[00:27] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[00:28] <jussi01> !-kde4
[00:28] <ubotu> kde4 aliases: kde 4 - added by apokryphos on 2006-06-18 20:48:00
[00:28] <jussi01> thanks to whoever fixed that :)
[00:47] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-us-az, soldats said: !no ym is <reply> your mom!
[00:51] <PriceChild> or not
[00:52] <LjL> that's when i usually send !b but i don't feel like starting fights tonight
[00:54] <jussi01> lol, didnt know that one existed
[00:54] <jussi01> !b
[00:54] <ubotu> b is an IRC mode that you don't want on your hostname.
[02:02] <Jack_Sparrow> LjL: I dont care for the nick ihatewhitewomen....
[02:02] <Jack_Sparrow> very racist
[02:03] <LjL> agreed
[02:03] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks
[02:03] <Pici> heh
[02:05] <Jack_Sparrow> Stuff You Ops.. isnt much better
[02:05] <LjL> deep breath time
[02:05] <LjL> you didn't breathe deep enough price
[02:05] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[02:06] <Pici> I kinda liked stfuops
[02:07] <LjL> also, i don't think that meant "stuff you"
[02:07] <Jack_Sparrow> After his first one..it was just a bit suspect
[02:07] <LjL> suspect, for sure
[02:07] <PriceChild> sorry
[02:08] <LjL> PriceChild: no need to be, you like queries with trolls, we don't understand you but we respect you anyway :P
[02:13] <ubotu> In ubotu, greatman1 said: what is the best and smartest torrent program? like scam bandwidth etc? :D thank you
[02:13] <Pici> ...
[02:13] <nalioth> ubotu: tell greatman1 about bot
[02:16]  * jdong looks around nervously
[02:17] <jdong> oh. duh.
[02:17]  * Pici blinks
[02:17] <jdong> Pici: playing around with launchers.
[02:17] <Pici> jdong: ah.
[02:17] <LjL> jdong: one of you is enough ktnx
[02:30] <LjL> !no identify is <reply> You can identify automatically by using your NickServ password as the server password in your IRC client. When identifying manually, do NOT send the command from a channel's tab, or a typo may give away your password. If that happened, type « /msg NickServ set password <new-password> » in the server tab as soon as possible.
[02:30] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[02:30]  * jussi01 is still awake for some unknown reason
[02:30] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[02:30] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Helsinki: February 09 2008, 04:30:51 - Next meeting: Kubuntu Developers in 8 hours 29 minutes
[02:39] <J-_> LjL: Why was I kicked from -offtopic?
[02:39] <J-_> I didn't do anything
[02:39]  * Pici looks for a spare sense of humor for J-_
[02:39] <LjL> J-_: exactly
[02:39] <J-_> bleh
 anyone know if you need to give the keyphrase every time you reboot if you setup ubuntu with the encrypted LVM option?
 No, in /init, premount() add echo "your_passphrase_here" | mount....
[03:11]  * jdong hides
[05:47] <tonyyarusso> "socially awkward and jobless" eh elkbuntu?  Nah, never heard of such folk around here.  ;)
[06:53] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (Genius16)
[09:13] <ubotu> Lynoure called the ops in #kubuntu ()
[10:06] <jussi01> morning all
[10:06] <jussi01> anyone awake?
[10:07] <jussi01> Hobbsee: hello again :D
[10:15] <Hobbsee> heya jussi01
[10:21] <jussi01> Hobbsee: quick question: how does one deal with: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/
[10:21] <jussi01> correctly?
[10:22]  * Hobbsee looks
[10:22] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you call !staff when you see the mass join
[10:23] <Hobbsee> if they're from the same IP like that, you can also quiet the IP
[10:23] <Hobbsee> usually they aren't, so it's quicker to wait for a staffer to deal with it
[10:24] <jussi01> Hobbsee: yeah, ok. what should be done now for #kubuntu? (it doesnt look like anyone has actioned anything for them)
[10:24] <Hobbsee> jussi01: did a staffer kline the IP?
[10:25] <jussi01> Hobbsee: just checking that.
[10:27] <jussi01> Hobbsee: doesnt look like it
[10:29] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you should probably ask nalioth, or another alive one to, then
[10:29]  * Hobbsee doesn't see anyone on there thought
[10:29] <Hobbsee> 0t
[10:29] <Hobbsee> -t
[10:29] <jpatrick> jussi01: yeah, crap like that happenes every once in a while
[10:29] <jussi01> Hobbsee: would it be correct to call !staff now?
[10:30] <Hobbsee> jussi01: i think so
[10:30] <jpatrick> if it hasn't been klined: !staff | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/
[10:30]  * Hobbsee doubts there are kliners around at this time of day
[10:31] <jpatrick> jussi01: btw, check out annma's hostname ;-)
[10:32] <jussi01> jpatrick: ROFL oops
[10:33] <jussi01> jpatrick: seenserv just says client quit, which is what nalioth told me to do to check. :)
[10:34] <jussi01> !staff | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/
[10:34] <ubotu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[10:34] <jpatrick> jussi01: not klined then
[10:34] <jussi01> we can try...
[10:35] <jpatrick> jussi01: you should know better: http://behindkde.org/people/annma/
[10:36] <jussi01> jpatrick: yeah, I should... but I just got up, so go away and leave me alone...
[10:36]  * jussi01 cries in the corner
[10:36]  * jpatrick hugs jussi01
[10:37] <jpatrick> damn, that interview's 7 years old
[10:38] <jpatrick> hey Gary
[10:38] <jussi01> Gary: just the guy we wanted to see
[10:38] <jussi01> :D
[10:38] <jpatrick> jussi01 was tracking you down earlier http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/
[10:39] <jussi01> hehe, he comes in and we mob him :P
[10:39] <Gary> what have I done now :p
[10:40] <Gary> did you ban @203186060211.ctinets.com
[10:40] <Hobbsee> gah
[10:40] <jpatrick> ...
[10:40] <jussi01> Gary: I havent done anything yet - I came in after the fact
[10:40] <jpatrick> hahahah
[10:40] <Hobbsee> forgot the colon.
[10:41] <Gary> okay ...
[10:42] <jpatrick> right ...
[10:44] <jussi01> good morning elkbuntu
[10:44] <elkbuntu> good evening jussi01
[11:53] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu-motu (Georgex96j15qi4g)
[11:53] <jpatrick> HELPP
[11:57] <jpatrick> oh god, they just hit #kde-devel
[11:57] <Hobbsee> !staff
[11:57] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[11:57] <Gary> should be blocked now
[11:58] <Hobbsee> thanks
[11:58] <Hobbsee> Gary: you got the original address?
[12:04] <jpatrick> Michaelu18y20iw3 in -meeting
[12:04] <ubotu> pochu called the ops in #ubuntu-devel ()
[12:05] <jpatrick> HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!
[12:05] <jpatrick> tomaw: good shooting
[12:05] <jpatrick> tomaw: can you help us in #kde-devel?
[12:13] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu-meeting (Kylec53n19oj2c4)
[12:16] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: there's too many of them
[12:16] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: the staffers are hitting them off
[12:17] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I'm starting to freak at every nick$randomNumber
[12:18] <jpatrick> seanw: hey
[12:19] <seanw> lo :)
[12:19] <jpatrick> here come the calvary
[12:20] <Hobbsee> yay, more staff
[12:21] <seanw> heh
[12:21] <seanw> My client needs to sync first.
[12:22] <jpatrick> GOD, I hate things like asdfgfdsa_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[12:23] <Jack_Sparrow> HAd those in ub yesterday
[12:26] <jpatrick> no0tic: don't you just love that autocmd? :)
[14:15] <LjL> ompaul that ban won't work
[14:15] <ompaul> LjL, ahh
[14:15] <ompaul> LjL, too big an isp?
[14:16] <LjL> ompaul: no, it's that you banned an invalid ident
[14:16] <LjL> *!luca*@213-140-6* <- the n= is missing
[14:16] <ompaul> arack
[14:16] <ompaul> thanks
[14:17] <LjL> the ban i set up is weird but should work - i should know, it's my isp ;)
[14:18] <ompaul> okay
[14:18] <ompaul> don't loose your freenode password :)
[14:18] <LjL> heh it's not my host though
[14:18] <LjL> i'm more like 81.208
[14:19] <ompaul> ack
[14:19] <ompaul> don't move ;-0
[14:20]  * Seveas moves LjL
[14:21] <ompaul> in ways we shall not speak of ...
[14:21]  * ompaul tries to hide
[14:21] <ompaul> those bf #whereever are well they are what they are
[14:22] <Seveas> @lart ompaul
[14:22] <ompaul> lagometer
[14:22] <ompaul> Seveas, what happens if you try to lart yourself?
[14:22] <Seveas> ubotu blows up
[14:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blows up - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:24] <ompaul> hmmmm
[14:33] <LjL> i have to obey my master... but i cannot lart my master... my my master asks me to... but i cannot lart my master...
[14:34] <LjL> dennis, there is a fault in the external antenna
[14:34] <LjL> i think you need to go out to fix it dennis
[14:46] <Seveas> I cannot let you do that HaLjL
[14:56]  * jussi01 walks in...
[14:57] <jussi01> everyone shhh... shes sleeping so I can be on here ;)
[15:12] <jussi01> heya PriceChild
[15:12] <PriceChild> Hey there.
[15:15] <ompaul> !staff
[15:15] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[15:15] <ompaul> * [M8]Spichka_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul: "can't be having that")
[15:15] <ompaul> * ompaul sets ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:15] <ompaul> serial also hit #gentoo
[15:19] <jpatrick> ompaul: what was that?
[15:19] <jpatrick> LjL: you there?
[15:19] <ompaul> foul mouthed idiot and spammer
[15:20] <jpatrick> LjL: #u-es: 09:21 < Crysis> como instalo ubuntu?
[15:20] <ompaul> crysis mmm nice nick
[15:20] <jpatrick> aka evsa
[15:20] <ompaul> haha
[15:20] <ompaul> okay
[15:20] <ompaul> killed by death
[16:24] <Seveas> !staff
[16:24] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[16:24] <Seveas> !ops
[16:24] <ubotu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Jack_Sparrow!
[16:24] <Seveas> --> puika<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
 http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139637493
[16:24] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()
[16:24] <nalioth> whoa.
[16:25] <nalioth> whats up?
[16:25] <Seveas> spammer :)
[16:25] <ompaul> ex spammer
[16:25] <Pici> !opabuse
[16:25] <ubotu> Leave the ops alone!
[16:26] <Gary> Seveas, sorted
[16:26] <Dave2> K:lied.
[16:26] <Dave2> er, lined
[16:26] <ompaul> Pici, did ya sign out of the factoid factory?
[16:26] <Seveas> gracias
[16:26]  * Pici checks
[16:26] <Pici> ompaul: no not yet
[16:26] <ompaul> :)
[16:30] <ompaul> nalioth, his ip joined and quit #ubuntu+1 and -offtopic with r00f and meow as nicks quit by itself  for flooding  <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:31] <ompaul> s/his/this
[16:33]  * Gary wonders what Seveas is doing...
[16:33] <Seveas> playing games with rodserling
[18:10] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, picard_pwns_kirk said: !white_eagle is a dude that wants a factoid
[18:10] <Pici> negative.
[18:15] <ompaul> Pici, he does but he needs to regret it as much as rod does thinking that it would be fun to get nickspoons record
[18:16] <ompaul> Pici,  something like !white_eagle is white_eagle gets banned for good reason, this was the only factoid hanging around at the time
[18:16]  * ompaul mutters something about perverse
[18:17] <Pici> like !white_eagle is <alias> b
[18:17] <ompaul> !b
[18:17] <ubotu> b is an IRC mode that you don't want on your hostname.
[18:17] <ompaul> hahaha
[18:17] <ompaul> hehehehe
[18:17] <ompaul> muhehehehehehe
[18:18] <ompaul> ohh dear ... that really would not be nice :)
[18:18] <Gary> mwhahaha
[18:18] <Pici> Thats Lj.L's canned factoid response when people are being naughty.
[18:18] <ompaul> do it
[18:18] <Pici> !white_eagle is <alias> b
[18:18] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Pici
[18:18] <Pici> !white_eagle-#ubuntu-offtopic is <alias> b
[18:18] <ompaul> next time he shouts he wants a factoid he will have one :)
[18:19] <ompaul> Pici, there is a fantastic expression, be careful what you ask for.
[18:19] <Pici> Exactly :)
[18:19] <ompaul> I think we can see why now ;-)
[18:24] <Gary> I never asked for a damn factoid :'(
[18:30] <jussi01> Gary: but you deserved one... :P
[18:30] <jussi01> !gary
[18:30] <ubotu> Gary is as Gary does, on the other hand four fingers and a thumb!
[18:30] <Gary> see, it's naff
[18:33] <ompaul> Gary, gary is as gary duz
[18:33] <ompaul> see it is better than that
[18:34]  * jussi01 resists the temptation to say bad things about a staffer...
[18:34] <Gary> go for it
[18:34]  * Gary warms up the boot
[18:34] <jussi01> nah.. too late now
[18:35] <Gary> cluck cluck
[18:35] <Gary> chicken
[18:36] <jpatrick> YES!!
[18:36] <jpatrick> I finally banned Crysis
[18:46] <ompaul> jpatrick, from the off that should have been the situation - continual annoyance of people in the channel other than ops is reason enough
[18:46] <ompaul> and the defence is that you were asked several times to not do that
[18:47] <jpatrick> ompaul: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55390/
[18:47] <ompaul> it is over the limit to continually annoy people in the channel
[18:47] <ompaul> jpatrick, I thin k I won't understand it
[18:48] <ompaul> I do
[19:19] <Jack_Sparrow> Morning, I finished the upstreamdev log-modules.. jrib asked if I had "Have you tried adding it into svn trunk of upstream?" At the risk of sounding dum..  I am.. So what does that mean?
[19:20] <PriceChild> Jack_Sparrow, you know what svn is right?
[19:21] <Jack_Sparrow> I have had 5 hours sleep in the last 48.. not sure of my name atm
[19:21] <PriceChild> !svn
[19:21] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[19:21] <PriceChild> "revision control system" is the important part.
[19:21] <Jack_Sparrow> Will read thanks
[19:21] <PriceChild> its basically the place they store code, making it easy to track people's changes
[19:21] <PriceChild> you need to find out the url for the upstream svn
[19:23] <Jack_Sparrow> ok... I emailed jrib the code this am and once I can get some sleep I will read up on that.  Thanks for everything
[19:33] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: 'svn co https://upstream.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/upstream/trunk upstream' will grab you trunk
[19:33] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib: Thanks... making note of it now
[19:39] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib: cool.. I see some modules I had not done yet.  I grabbed those, If it is a short answer, how do I add or upload mine
[19:42] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: you'd have to be given commit access
[19:42] <Jack_Sparrow> How do I apply?
[19:43] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: would you be interested in that?
[19:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes, I want to help and this is something I think I can do and do well
[19:43] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: lastnode is the only one that can do it, next time he's on, I'll ask him
[19:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks
[20:41] <nickrud> for some reason I can't get ubotu to parse the following, I'm suggesting it as a factoid:
[20:41] <nickrud> gutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).
[20:46] <LjL> !traffic
[20:46] <ubotu> NOTICE - There is a lot of traffic in this channel at the moment. Please try to keep your sentences into a single message, avoid repeating the same question multiple times, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org for pasting, remember to mention the nickname of the person you're addressing, and join #ubuntu-offtopic for anything that is not Ubuntu support. Thank you for understanding!
[20:46] <LjL> whops
[20:46] <LjL> wrong button
[20:46] <LjL> nickrud: it's the ">"s
[20:46] <nickrud> LjL: you rang?
[20:46] <nickrud> ah,
[20:46] <LjL> !gutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).
[20:47] <LjL> !gutsysources is test
[20:47] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[20:47] <ompaul> !gutsysources is in System-Admin-Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).
[20:47] <ubotu> But gutsysources already means something else!
[20:47] <LjL> !no gutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).
[20:47] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[20:47] <ompaul> !no gutsysources is in System-Admin-Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).
[20:47] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[20:47] <LjL> ompaul, it works now :)
[20:47] <LjL> !no gutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).
[20:47] <LjL> i was just trying to say
[20:47] <LjL> if you put a bogus factoid in it first
[20:47] <LjL> and *then* give the real factoid containing ">"s with !no
[20:47] <ompaul> LjL, ack
[20:47] <LjL> then it works
[20:47] <nickrud> hacks!
[20:48] <ompaul> hacking ubotu now from ORA by LjL
[20:48] <ompaul> forward by Seveas
[20:48] <LjL> the bad thing is that people don't get their factoid forwarded to here when this happens
[20:48] <ompaul> LjL, bug for ljl
[20:49] <nickrud> only one extra step to put it here. No biggie
[20:49] <LjL> nickrud: anyway, bad factoid name imho... perhaps "recommended sources" would be more the concept it is about?
[20:49] <nickrud> LjL: I was originally going to call it setsources , but some people still use feisty & earlier, doesn't really apply. Was going to do some research on the others
[20:49] <LjL> ompaul: (it is filed already)
[20:50] <LjL> nickrud: what of it doesn't apply in feisty and earlier?
[20:50] <LjL> !source-o-matic
[20:50] <ubotu> source-o-matic is not available anymore, please use Software Sources (in your Applications / K menu) to configure your repositories. Do NOT enable "Proposed updates" unless you're willing to test possibly seriously flawed packages.
[20:50] <nickrud> LjL: gutsy-security for one
[20:50] <nickrud> LjL: and that's why I was creating this one
[20:51] <nickrud> LjL: dapper is totally different I think
[20:52] <nickrud> helping people parse and edit sources.list was one of the things that I hated about early ubuntu's, seveas's source o matic was a godsend
[20:52] <Seveas> it was
[20:52] <LjL> nickrud: actually though in my gutsy (kubuntu) gutsy-security and gutsy-updates aren't even mentioned as such
[20:52] <Seveas> but with gutsy it's not needed anymore
[20:53] <nickrud> still a lot of feisty's and dappers out there though (hint ;)
[20:53] <LjL> nickrud: what i have here is the following, kubuntu gutsy
[20:54] <LjL> Kubuntu Software tab:
[20:54] <LjL> Canonical-supported Open Source software (main)
[20:54] <LjL> Community-maintained Open Source software (universe)
[20:54] <LjL> Proprietary drivers for devices (restricted)
[20:54] <LjL> Software restricted by copyright or legal issues (multiverse)
[20:54] <LjL> Updates tab:
[20:54] <LjL> Important security updates
[20:54] <LjL> Recommended updates
[20:54] <LjL> Pre-released updates
[20:54] <LjL> Unsupposed updates
[20:55] <LjL> *and i still stand* that "pre-released updates" *really* REALLY shouldn't be there
[20:55] <LjL> (that is proposed)
[20:55] <nickrud> ljl I agree completely about backports (and don't care for proposed, either. Someone how can test them knows how to edit sources.list
[20:56] <LjL> uhm backports actually i don't too much mind, it usually works well
[20:56] <LjL> but for crying out loud, proposed is for packages that need to be *tested* because they may be *broken*
[20:56] <LjL> and they've been broken pretty pretty badly in the past
[20:57] <nickrud> LjL: you probably should change the factoid to match your kubuntu, it's parseable to ubuntu
[20:57] <LjL> also "unsupported updates" is at least a bit descriptive. "pre-released updates" doesn't mean a thing
[20:58] <nickrud> with maybe a warning about pre-released and unsupported
[20:58] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow: happy monday
[20:58] <Jack_Sparrow> OH..
[20:59] <ompaul> nickrud, LjL perhaps an immutable wiki page would be of use or at least one we were all subscribed to here and just say to fix sources do this
[20:59] <ompaul> and have the mixing things should not be done just because it can be
[20:59]  * LjL still thinks handing a sources.list was easier
[20:59] <ubotu> nosrednaekim called the ops in #kubuntu ()
[20:59] <Jack_Sparrow> I just Vista-ized my Ubuntu.. I am one sick tired puppy
[21:00] <ompaul> LjL, well if you want to do that do one per release
[21:00] <ompaul> and leave out things like backports and proposed
[21:00] <ompaul> they can be explained at the foot of the page
[21:01] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, not a great thing to do ;-) we must find something for you to do
[21:02] <Jack_Sparrow> 50 megs of vista graphics and icons...   Too funny...
[21:02] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow: next project: a youtube demonstration of vista on compiz ;)
[21:03] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, and then at the end drop a menu and reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[21:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Woa.. I just did something I didnt know I could do.. this winow just rolled up like a window shade..
[21:04] <ompaul> to the tune of linkin park leave out all the rest - if you get the time right you have "I can't be who you are" as the last couple of lines
[21:04] <nickrud> rflol
[21:04] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, standard X for years
[21:05] <ompaul> dear me gnome borked that
[21:05] <Jack_Sparrow> I have never seen it or done it by accident until just now
[21:05] <nickrud> window shade was one of the draws of enlightenment for me, along with sliding desktops. havoc really castrated window managers
[21:05] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, I use window maker for my desktop in work - and it all our standard office staff do too
[21:06]  * ompaul listens to linkin park
[21:06] <nickrud> ompaul: you can window shade in gnome though
[21:06] <ompaul> nickrud, you can do some mad stuff in windowmaker if you try
[21:06] <ompaul> we have staff doing strange customisations
[21:07] <ompaul> and this is the stuff they don't know
[21:07] <nickrud> ompaul: geek oriented stuff, <CRACK>!
[21:07] <ompaul> nickrud, I work in a property management company
[21:08] <nickrud> ompaul: so you're teaching people to be geeks. I hope it spreads further
[21:08] <ompaul> nickrud, they had window maker when I arrived
[21:08] <ompaul> some of them use kde due to someone before me giving them too much info
[21:08] <nickrud> that's a progressive office. When I started where I am now, some were still running Me
[21:09] <ompaul> what freaks them out is they mostly don't get that they are using xdmcp so "their computer is down" and the person beside them does not work as woops we got a biggie so why don't we all try to ring paul
[21:10] <ompaul> nickrud, best one is email is not working
[21:10] <ompaul> ehh yes it is
[21:10] <ompaul> can you explain what you mean that email is not working
[21:10] <ompaul> ohh well the thunderbird icon is grayed out
[21:10] <ompaul> and I don't have it on the bottom of my screen (minimised)
[21:11] <ompaul> so why don't you run "companyname_kill" in a shell ?
[21:11] <ompaul> sorry
[21:11] <ompaul> in an xterm
[21:11] <ompaul> they would not know what a shell is
[21:11] <ompaul> so they do this and then some of them say this does not work
[21:11] <Jack_Sparrow> My accountant is still using novel but is looking for new options.  He needs XP to run his software / workstations .. I just dont do any server stuff.
[21:12] <ompaul> cos they did not use the console app to highlight the menu item
[21:12] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, novell - suse?
[21:12]  * ompaul grins
[21:12] <nickrud> ompaul: sounds complex
[21:12] <Jack_Sparrow> Only running a dozen or so stations.
[21:12] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow: novell networking? how old is this system?
[21:13] <ompaul> nickrud, well you get to kill -9 a highlighted app via regex -- all you have to do is move the arrow to the application and press the space bar
[21:13] <ompaul> then hit enter
[21:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Most of the hardware is only 2 -3 years old
[21:13] <ompaul> space highlights
[21:13] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, tell him novell have new crack
[21:13] <ompaul> then say you got the cheap version of it - same functionality
[21:14] <Jack_Sparrow> Running novel 6 atm..  dual raid backup/mirrors, tape backup and off-site daily backups..  paranoid
[21:14] <nickrud> for an accountant, prudent
[21:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Would suse be any easier to maintain?
[21:15] <ompaul> amanda with tapebackup && fibre network -->> bacula
[21:16] <ompaul> tapes have feelings too and they die on me every couple of months
[21:16] <Jack_Sparrow> I didnt know if I should refer hin to canonical (sp)
[21:16] <ompaul> so I have a policy of renewing tapes of 20/25 uses
[21:17] <Jack_Sparrow> tapes dont seem as good or long lasting as they used to be
[21:17] <ompaul> even I get one failure every couple of months
[21:17] <ompaul> if I did not have offsite disks
[21:18] <ompaul> I would have been scared when the tapes failed at the end of the 5/ six month cycle
[21:18] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, have you ever seen the tao of backups?
[21:19] <Jack_Sparrow> no
[21:19] <ompaul> http://www.taobackup.com/
[21:19] <ompaul> it might just apply :)
[21:20] <Jack_Sparrow> For my old office, I had one for each day of week, one for each week, and one for each month.  Replaced them all every year
[21:21] <ompaul> you need more than that
[21:21] <jussi01> grr, stupid bot of mine... any of you bot experts around?
[21:21] <LjL> nickrud, ompaul: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources - feel free to add ;)
[21:23] <nickrud> LjL: add Ubuntu to that heading, it's directly comparable
[21:23] <ompaul> LjL, I had something different in mind
[21:23] <ompaul> LjL, I'll do it in a couple of mins when I have found what I want to give to Jack_Sparrow
[21:24] <LjL> ompaul, i hope you don't have !sources in mind, because that exists already ;)
[21:24] <LjL> and is a tad too verbose for just telling people what they should enable and disable to get a sane configuration
[21:24] <ompaul> then they should be linked
[21:24] <ompaul> !sources
[21:24] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[21:24] <ompaul> yeap
[21:24] <Jack_Sparrow> That is very cool, thanks for the link..  And I am enlightened...
[21:25] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, hang on
[21:25] <ompaul> I need to find something for you
[21:25] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[21:25] <jussi01> anyone got any idea why I cant get my ubotu clone to add factoids?
[21:25] <ompaul> not logged onto it?
[21:26] <jussi01> hmmm, no... its telling me it isnt intelligent...
[21:26] <jussi01> ompaul: if you are interested /join #dib5sn
[21:26] <ompaul> then there is syntax error in the factoid
[21:27] <LjL> !no repos is <reply> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[21:27] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[21:28] <ompaul> LjL, that is nearly a book should we refer them to a single page with that info on it
[21:28] <ompaul> like
[21:29] <ompaul> You are referred here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources because you have indicated a problem this page addresses
[21:29] <ompaul> on that page you have the other stuff
[21:30] <Seveas> -1
[21:30] <Seveas> it's not too much yet
[21:33] <Jack_Sparrow> ompaul: Am I still waiting for something?
[21:33] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, yes
[21:33] <ompaul> I can't find it
[21:33] <Jack_Sparrow> I will be around..
[21:34] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, if I get it I will let you know
[21:34] <Jack_Sparrow> no worries
[21:35] <LjL> anyway this software sources thing isn't even working
[21:35] <LjL> it just removed (not commented out, removed) my backports line and didn't add it back when told so
[21:36] <LjL> and why if something is called "backports" everywhere on the wiki, it should be called "unsupported updates" in there without a mention of backports
[21:36] <LjL> same for updates, security and proposed
[21:37] <jussi01> Seveas: have you got a moment or 2 for a some of my own bot issues?
[21:37] <Seveas> no
[21:38] <jussi01> ok, Ill catch you some other time :)
[21:40] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, http://www.novastor.com/tech_supt/strategy.html have a look at that - it might give you ideas I can't see the one I favour (not the one I inherited - so therefore use - as I said - in the other case I actually have offsite disks the tapes are cos I have a couple of k invested in tape drives)
[21:48] <jussi01> !kde4support is <reply> Information and support for KDE 4 can be found in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:49] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, jussi01 said: !kde4support is <reply> Information and support for KDE 4 can be found in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:50] <LjL> jussi01: what's wrong with !kde4?
[21:50] <ompaul> !kde4
[21:50] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:50] <jussi01> LjL: its long, clunky and annoying if you just want to convey that 1 peice of info
[21:51] <LjL> disagree
[21:51] <LjL> we don't have separate "support" factoids for kubuntu, compiz, whatnot
[21:51] <LjL> we just have a factoid about them mentioning the main web sites, and the support channel
[21:52] <jussi01> for people who obviously know what kde4 is, and are using it, but come to #kubuntu to ask for support- you suggest we give them that huge factoid?
[21:52] <LjL> uhm, yes?
[21:52] <jussi01> ok
[21:52] <LjL> most people who ask about compiz know what it is and are possibly using it
[21:53] <LjL> yet we always gave them the huge factoid pointing at #ubuntu-effects / #compiz-fusion
[21:53] <Pici> We dont have separate -support factoids for everything.
[21:53] <LjL> if channel spam is a concern, never forget there is the > syntax (which too many overlook)
[21:53] <ompaul> LjL, and as soon as you do that someone does
[21:53] <jussi01> LjL: ok. I was just suggesting something that made sense to me :)
[21:53] <ompaul> !factoid
[21:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[21:54] <LjL> ompaul: most of the time they do !factoid > myself
[21:54] <Pici> ompaul: I hate that.
[21:54] <LjL> anyway, so let's stop doing anything just because people are idiots
[21:54] <Pici> I've been seeing it a lot lately.
[21:54] <ompaul> LjL, it was what why I was proposing to make a page a url
[21:54] <Pici> Along with !paste, right after the floodbot tells someone where the pastebin is.
[21:55] <LjL> ompaul: for each factoid we have, sure
[21:55] <ompaul> sorry a factoid a url -> please see this:   one url and then the rest can be fed from there
[21:55] <LjL> also what matters mostly is the *number of lines*, not the length of a line
[21:56] <ompaul> well I guess most people here have full screen or near enough full screen irc clients - but we are the exception not the rule
[21:56] <LjL> ompaul: that can work but it's totally opposite to what we've always done. it's the way they do it on #ubuntu-it, the bot just has urls. but that means the wiki people are also aware that the wiki is used in that way
[21:57] <ompaul> LjL, well we used to with the old ubotu have really long factoids but I went on a mission to clean them up and add the urls to web pages
[21:57] <LjL> and i'm strongly opposed to wasting everything we have in the bot to move to a wiki-based approach (yes, waste, because it's hardly a matter of copying and pasting the factoids - different medium works different way)
[21:57] <ompaul> let me see if I can change your mind ;-) I'll do a little research and come back soon
[21:58] <LjL> look why do we need a bot in the first place?
[21:58] <LjL> wiki pages can have short and meaningful names
[21:58] <LjL> so just tell people "wiki ThisThing"
[21:59] <LjL> and no i'm not seriously proposing this
[22:05] <Jack_Sparrow> I was using a modified grandfather-father son..  The wife burns a dvd of data for every day and full system each week and one before closing each month and one after cloasing each month, all stored off site Thanks for the link.  I  personally restore and verify her systems each month. (Dental office)
[22:08] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, ack
[22:09] <Jack_Sparrow> They have it down to a science.    I found several for him, but all are php ... I have never messed with php or myphpadmin etc.. Any tutorials that I can send him?
[22:20] <PriceChild> woop woop, half a day off half a million registrations on the forums... somewhere... a hobbsee is squirming
[22:28] <ompaul> PriceChild, that is not nice
[22:28] <ompaul> no gloating
[22:29] <ompaul> PriceChild, and how many are "active" i.e. log on or have asked a question since gutsy went live?
[22:31] <PriceChild> No idea... can't remember what it was last time he gave stats
[22:32] <PriceChild> I think its over 40% after 40 days... but that could just be completeley made up.
[22:32] <PriceChild> There's also normally 10 times as many "guests" as logged in users at any one time.
[22:35] <ompaul> yeap


[02:55] <ptr20r2> hey all
[02:56] <doctormo> hey ptr20r2
[02:57] <ptr20r2> i need some help with ubuntu and chromeos
[02:59] <ptr20r2> ubuntu live cd seems to have sufficient drivers for almost every gfx card and i wanted to transfere needed files and configs to chrome os. Is this possible?
[03:05] <ptr20r2> can anybody help
[03:23] <doctormo> ptr20r2: I'm not sure what your asking for
[03:26] <ptr20r2> chrome os defaults to software rendering on anything that isnt an intel graphics chip. Ubuntu live cd however is able to cope with other chips and runs with hardware acceleration. since Chrome os is built on linux and closeley related to ubuntu, is there a way to transfer the drivers and the config files, if so, which ones?
[03:27] <ptr20r2> oh, hi Edgar1
[03:27] <Edgar1> hello ptr20r2
[03:27] <ptr20r2> any ideas?
[03:29] <Edgar1> I have some time out of here so dont know whats going on lately around here
[03:29] <Edgar1> whats new?
[03:29] <ptr20r2> chrome os defaults to software rendering on anything that isnt an intel graphics chip. Ubuntu live cd however is able to cope with other chips and runs with hardware acceleration. since Chrome os is built on linux and closeley related to ubuntu, is there a way to transfer the drivers and the config files, if so, which ones?
[03:31] <Edgar1> I'm more into in web development...but with transfer the kernel, I guess that may be enough
[03:32] <ptr20r2> i'm a little nooby, i know my way rount the command line and sudo ect.
[03:32] <ptr20r2> could you explain
[03:33] <doctormo> ptr20r2: It sounds like you need the xorg developers
[03:33] <doctormo> This isn't a support channel, it's a place to organise the creation of learning materials, classes and publishing
[03:34] <ptr20r2> but i'm getting learned right
[03:35] <Edgar1> ptr20r2 you want the Chrome OS runs apps just like Ubuntu...in any chipset and graphics chip
[03:35] <ptr20r2> yes
[03:36] <Edgar1> the kernel its that manage all the chips(hardware) so its in the kernel
[03:36] <doctormo> Well no, you also need xorg and all the xorg subsystems
[03:36] <ptr20r2> is it goint to be a big cp fest
[03:37] <Edgar1> I would say to try to compile the ubuntu derivated linux kernel on Chrome OS, and then reboot with that version of the kernel
[03:37] <Edgar1> but as doctormo says you may need to configure stuff like Xorg and other process
[03:37] <Edgar1> thats differ from a distro to other, even if have some relation
[03:38] <doctormo> ptr20r2: Why do you want chrome os, why not just get ubuntu?
[03:38] <Edgar1> exactly, chrome os is exactly like the ubuntu version of netbooks
[03:38] <ptr20r2> yes got it
[03:39] <ptr20r2> right on edgar
[03:39] <ptr20r2> not even ubuntu will ferform on a 1.ghz intel atom
[03:40] <Edgar1> well, the ubuntu remix its made for perform in most of the netbooks
[03:40] <Edgar1> so I think it will in a 1 Ghz intel atom
[03:42] <ptr20r2> yes but chromeOS is made of nothing, its like 2gb
[03:43] <Edgar1> 2GB? ubuntu is less than 700MB
[03:43] <ptr20r2> 2gb of partition 350mb of data
[03:43] <Edgar1> oh well I see, its less
[03:44] <ptr20r2> it boots directly to the browser
[03:44] <ptr20r2> i'd just like to see it working
[03:46] <Edgar1> ptr20r2 however, should be something for intel graphics chips in Chrome OS
[03:46] <Edgar1> but thats more into in Chrome OS developers
[03:47] <doctormo> ptr20r2: sounds rubbish to me, but if you two could take this to some other channel please.
[03:47] <Edgar1> true, this channel is for other purpouse
[03:47] <ptr20r2> kk
[03:47] <Edgar1> #ubuntu is for support
[03:47] <ptr20r2> it does have intel support, software for everything else
[03:48] <Edgar1> ptr20r2 intel support out of box?
[03:49] <ptr20r2> yes
[03:49] <Edgar1> i see
[03:49] <ptr20r2> btw i cant find channel #ubuntu
[03:50] <Edgar1> the same as you get here but without the "-learning"
[03:51] <ptr20r2> it's k ##
[03:51] <Edgar1> just #
[03:52] <Edgar1> irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
[03:53] <ptr20r2> ty anyway
[03:53] <ptr20r2> i'll be on my way
[23:57] <Nono> hi


[01:16] <joelesko> micahg: Updated my seamonkey-beta branch. I hope this is close to what you were expecting.
[01:18] <joelesko> micahg: I checked the mozilla-beta branch and the patches were applied upstream, except for one.
[07:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: does omgbuntu know something I don't? http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/d0od/~3/FQB0imRw1vc/
[07:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg, well, it hasn't worked for ages has it?
[07:51] <chrisccoulson> but i'm not sure
[07:51] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it's in the archive...
[07:52] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i meant on the server
[07:52] <chrisccoulson> i don't think it's been online for a while
[07:52] <micahg> ah, I guess I should ask :)
[07:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I started tracking the Thunderbird beta channel and I miss my notifications already :)
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> micahg, oh, that will be fixed when we get another beta
[08:24] <micahg> ok, cool :)
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> i don't miss them as i use the addon compatibility reporter
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> but i didn't get a chance to update the extension for the last beta
[08:26] <chrisccoulson> in fact, we're actually a beta behind
[08:26] <chrisccoulson> i wonder how that happened :/
[08:28] <chrisccoulson> i just didn't read mark's email
[09:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: any ETA on getting a bot to push the chromium builds again?
[09:52]  * micahg keeps seeing people asking and keeps saying soon :)
[18:32] <chrisccoulson> !seen Lockal
[18:32] <ubot2> I have no seen command
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> b'ah
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> ubot2, you are stupid
[18:33] <ubot2> Factoid 'you are stupid' not found
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> shut up
[18:52] <micahg> @seen lockal
[18:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: some bots have it, some bots don't...
[18:53] <chrisccoulson> :)
[19:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: why did you drop the code for the crash reporter rather than just setting to 0?
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-October/003351.html
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> (and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-October/003216.html for context)
[21:13] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ah, excellent
[21:13] <m_conley> yes, we'll want to discuss that, for sure.
[21:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thank you for trying to get this addressed at least :) we have a bug in the 3XXXXX range for it :)
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> hah
[21:14] <micahg> bug 338785
[21:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 338785 in thunderbird "[MASTER] Updates while firefox is running cause various problems until restart" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338785
[21:14] <micahg> ubot2: you have to get better at choosing tasks :)
[21:14] <ubot2> micahg: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> ubot2, don't worry. we don't!
[21:15] <ubot2> chrisccoulson: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> heh
[22:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you ok with me switching Firefox/Thunderbird to use .xz for debs?
[22:37] <micahg> err, use xz compression for debs
[22:39] <micahg> the control file just grows a little due to the pre-depends until after precise, but we should save bandwidth on downloads/mirroring


[00:09] <bluesabre> ochosi: nighty
[00:15] <knome> bluesabre, any news on the wallpaper contest webapp?
[00:17] <bluesabre> knome: hoping to make more progress tonight.. I wanted to get it done over the weekend but ended up being sick the whole weekend
[00:17] <knome> excuses, excuses... ;)
[00:18] <bluesabre> yup, I've got plenty of them
[06:27] <flocculant> knome: any news on the wallpaper contest mail :p
[06:27]  * flocculant shrugs
[11:07] <bluesabre> flocculant: he may be waiting for my app to get done
[11:07]  * bluesabre shrugs again
[11:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: When you jumping to Xenial, anywho?
[11:09] <bluesabre> Unit193: I usually don't jump to the dev release for a while. If things happen to break badly, can't accomplish anything
[11:10] <bluesabre> I run the most recent release until beta with a vm of the dev release
[11:11] <Unit193> Ah, so I'll end up jumping before you. :/
[11:11] <bluesabre> probably
[11:13] <flocculant> fortune favours the bold :)
[11:13] <flocculant> bluesabre: and not sure why waiting for an app - if no-one bothers volunteering then any need for it :D
[11:14] <flocculant> or is that hopefully fortune favours the foolhardy :p
[11:19] <slickymasterWork> flocculant, are you accepting encryption tests on virtual machines?
[11:19] <flocculant> no - we can't do anything yet
[11:20] <flocculant> I just thought I'd ask for some sort of team view on it
[11:20] <slickymasterWork> oki doke
[11:25] <knome> flocculant, i'm trying to figure out what bluesabre's app can do - that defines what kind of volunteers we need
[11:25] <flocculant> right
[11:25] <knome> so it's kind of "blocked" now
[11:26] <knome> i can ask for volunteers now, but i won't have any substance for them...
[11:26] <knome> i mean, it's totally possible that the app does most of the work
[11:26] <knome> and it probably should
[11:26] <flocculant> well no
[11:26] <knome> well yes ;)
[11:26] <knome> like check the license - done by asking the person what the license is
[11:27] <flocculant> because if there are no volunteers then it's just been a waste of time
[11:27] <flocculant> so no ;)
[11:27] <knome> right... no to that
[11:27] <knome> i guess so
[11:27] <knome> i'll look into that later today then
[11:27] <knome> but i'll likely need to look at it again then :P
[11:28] <flocculant> I just wonder if finding out if there's any actual volunteers informs the rest of it - given last time
[11:28] <flocculant> that's all I mean
[11:28] <knome> well if the app does what i imagine it does
[11:28] <knome> there is very little need for volunteers after all
[11:28] <flocculant> personally I don't have a horse in the race as any wallpaper isn't likely to be something I would use
[11:28] <knome> so little that in the worst case scenario, i'll just sign up for all that
[11:29] <knome> but of course i'd like to get other people involved
[11:29] <knome> even sharing a tiny bit of work
[11:29] <knome> because potential future contributions
[11:29] <flocculant> knome: so at the end of the day if people aren't putting things forward - then ...
[11:29] <knome> then we'll just do it with the team
[11:30] <flocculant> which isn't what the plan was ;)
[11:30] <knome> i don't remember the nick from the top of my head, but somebody here said they could help
[11:30] <flocculant> yea - someone was in here talking about it
[11:30] <knome> no, but my plan is always to get N new contributors contributing to xubuntu every cycle, but still i/we end up releasing it and doing all the work even if we don't meet that target
[11:31] <knome> so i don't consider this as an "contribute or it won't happen" kind of situation
[11:32]  * flocculant shrugs now :p
[11:32] <knome> it's more like a "contribute and we can make it happen, if you don't, then we can't guarantee anything"
[11:33] <flocculant> my cycle artwork interest quota is almost used up - just need to find an elliptical circle :)
[11:33] <knome> sorry, i've lost some of my faith in people contributing and will automatically always think how much of the work i could do myself :P
[11:33] <flocculant> funnily enough ...
[11:33] <knome> yeah, i know, i end up doing a lot myself
[11:34] <knome> but that's ok, at least i know it in advance
[11:34] <knome> and if somebody else does X, that just means more time to work on other things
[11:34]  * knome shrugs
[11:34] <knome> fwiw, pjotter has promised to look at drawing a xerus for us
[11:34] <knome> so that's one potential new contributor
[11:34] <knome> and to artwork too
[11:37] <flocculant> nice :)
[11:38] <bluesabre> hey knome
[11:38] <flocculant> akxwi has been a breath of fresh air for me for sure
[11:39] <bluesabre> what all would you like the app to do? We take relevant information during the submission process, and contact them using lp if something is incorrect
[11:39] <bluesabre> grabbing author, license, url
[11:40] <bluesabre> voting wouldn't come until quite a bit later, but it will compare every wp to each other and the one with the most +1s across all voters wins
[11:40] <bluesabre> er, the ones with the most +1s
[11:40] <bluesabre> :D
[11:40] <flocculant> heh
[11:42] <bluesabre> its a pretty basic app... handles submission/uploads, view existing, request info, and vote
[11:42] <bluesabre> lp login will probably be the hardest part
[11:42] <bluesabre> :D
[11:45] <bluesabre> also planning to handle embedding the metadata, looked a bit into that, seems reasonable
[11:45] <bluesabre> so what else would be good to have?
[11:47] <knome> bluesabre, basically just asking about the license means the license is ok, because they have agreed to the terms
[11:47] <knome> bluesabre, but of course we will ask the winners if they intended that license
[11:48] <bluesabre> yup
[11:48] <bluesabre> and if they provide the url, we can potentially validate it ourselves
[11:48] <knome> i would just go with radiobuttons
[11:49] <knome> (x) CC-BY (or whatever license we would like
[11:49] <knome> ( ) Something else, what ____
[11:49] <bluesabre> k
[11:49] <knome> if they don't mention something else, we can consider it validated
[11:49] <knome> pleia2 also said it's fine to pre-select CC
[11:50] <knome> as long as people are clearly given the choice
[11:50] <knome> or we can select none by default
[11:50] <knome> and make the user select one
[11:50] <bluesabre> I have most of the framework, just a matter of setting up the views... so a matter of having time in front of my computer to finish cranking it out
[11:50] <bluesabre> yup
[11:50] <knome> we can do it with some short descriptions too
[11:51] <flocculant> wouldn't select none by default and insist on a choice be sensible?
[11:51] <knome> "By selecting this, you give us (and everybody else) this, this and this permission..."
[11:51] <flocculant> s/sensible/logical
[11:52] <bluesabre> yeah, can just make a non-none required to submit
[11:52] <knome> i don't think that's legally required, and i'm not a lawyer
[11:52] <bluesabre> or
[11:52] <bluesabre> -select one- OR enter blah
[11:52] <knome> bluesabre, let me draw you a very quick draft
[11:52] <bluesabre> alrighty
[11:52] <knome> oh shoo
[11:53] <knome> got to go
[11:53] <knome> bbiab
[11:53] <knome> will send the draft then
[11:54] <bluesabre> k
[12:54] <knome> bluesabre, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/wallpaper-contest/licence-draft.png
[12:55] <knome> consider all texts as placeholders
[13:30] <knome> bluesabre, and here's a html/css imagination: http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/wallpaper-contest/html-draft/
[13:40] <knome> bluesabre, bit more there now :P
[16:33] <flocculant> just in case anyone happens to boot with the daily - plymouth issue in vbox only it seems, got text till desktop - probably following all the plymouth updates in the last couple of days, didrocks is aware and will keep me posted
[16:34] <slickymasterWork> got that today flocculant
[16:34] <flocculant> yep - I guessed you might have :)
[16:35] <slickymasterWork> :)
[16:36] <flocculant> I knew there were changes - but waited for a new image to look
[16:36] <flocculant> don't see it in qemu apparently, don't see it on hardware for sure (or at least my h/w)
[22:22] <Unit193> Poked slang.
[22:22] <Unit193> 17:13 #ubuntu-devel: < slangasek> Unit193: I have not, sorry; it's in my queue to look at still
[23:18] <bluesabre> knome: thanks
[23:19] <knome> np
[23:19] <knome> tell me if you need more help with the html side
[23:19] <knome> /css
[23:21] <bluesabre> knome: should be good for now, I'll poke you when I have to code somewhere for you to blow up
[23:22] <knome> haha, good good
[23:22] <knome> i was thinking some fancy artwork for the checkbox/radiobuttons
[23:22] <knome> like show a big square, but when checked, lay a big X or V on it
[23:23] <knome> that's really just for the flash though :D
[23:24] <bluesabre> :D
[23:25] <knome> shouldn't be too hard though
[23:25] <knome> just make the real checkbox/radiobutton hidden and overlay artwork with js
[23:25] <bluesabre> I'll or some fancy cssing
[23:25] <bluesabre> -I'll
[23:25] <bluesabre> :D
[23:26] <knome> hmmright, css3 might support :checked
[23:27] <knome> or sth
[23:28] <knome> aha!
[23:28]  * knome pokey
[23:28] <bluesabre> :D


[09:34] <thorwil> godbyk: rather interesting haskell package: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/gitit
[09:35] <godbyk> thorwil: that does look neat.
[09:37] <thorwil> godbyk: seems it does a lot of what we would want. but i guess we don't have anyone even remotely fluent in haskell ^^
[09:38] <godbyk> thorwil: it seems unlikely.  daker has pointed out other similar systems written in other languages, though.
[09:38] <godbyk> I think I have the links in my email inbox someplace.
[09:40] <thorwil> for a design/artwork hub kind of site, it would make sense to put everything into a vcs, too. but you would need a database for faceted navigation/search
[09:41] <godbyk> Yeah.  Is there any progress on SparklePony or whatever?
[09:42] <thorwil> sparkleshare is alive and kicking, i think
[09:42] <godbyk> cool
[09:42] <thorwil> or did you actually meand fedora's designhub?
[09:42] <godbyk> maybe it was the design hub.
[09:43] <thorwil> sparkleshare is a dropbox-like thing
[09:43] <godbyk> I thought SparklePony was the design hub and SparkleShare was a dropbox clone.
[09:43] <godbyk> right.
[09:43] <godbyk> Too many sparkles!
[09:44] <godbyk> Yeah, the design hub: http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/Whiteboard/DesignHub (plus all of Máirín's blog entries)
[09:45] <thorwil> designhub is on hold. mizmo doesn't have the time to do some missing design, blocking the developer. though i wouldn't count on the developer, as this was a training session
[09:46] <godbyk> I see.
[09:46] <godbyk> When you were talking about what should be done to replace the artwork wiki pages, I thought of Máirín's design hub idea.
[09:47] <thorwil> of course
[09:49] <dutchie> i have learnt a small amount of haskell
[09:50] <thorwil> godbyk: i would have to do some conceptual work to even be sure in how far designhub would fit the bill. my gut feeling is just no, though
[09:50] <godbyk> Woohoo!  dutchie's in charge of it then, thorwil.
[09:50] <thorwil> lol
[09:53] <thorwil> it's great how on my post mentioning several frameworks in interesting languages, i got 2 comments in favor of django with no other arguments than familiarity and it making things "easy"
[09:54] <godbyk> thorwil: I noticed that.
[09:55] <thorwil> the developer of seaside (smalltalk) worked with ruby, python, java and a few others. guess there can't be many people like that around
[09:59] <godbyk> Usually you know one or two languages really well and only have time to dabble with the rest.
[09:59] <godbyk> Unfortunately, the language I have to work with most the time is C++.
[10:00] <thorwil> ah, the language almost no one understands from a to z ^^
[10:01] <quickshot> Hi all, I'm trying to make some screenshots for the manual but quickshot keeps showing "please wait while the screenshot list is downloaded"
[10:03] <godbyk> quickshot: Which edition of the manual are you working on?  lucid-e1, e2, or maverick?
[10:03] <godbyk> (e1 and e2 have the same screenshots.  maverick hasn't been setup yet [as far as I know])
[10:04] <quickshot> e1 for dutch
[10:04] <quickshot> I've had this cd for quite some time, did something change recently?
[10:05] <godbyk> quickshot: I'm not sure if they've changed anything recently or not.  It looks like all of the Dutch screenshots have been taken except for 01-first-slide, though.
[10:05] <godbyk> And I don't think you can take 01-first-slide with quickshot.  (I think it's a screenshot of the installation program's first slide.)
[10:07] <godbyk> quickshot: You can download the Dutch screenshots from here <http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/data/nl.zip> and double-check that they're all correct.
[10:07] <godbyk> If you notice any errors, ping flan and he should be able to help you out.
[10:14] <quickshot> godbyk: I think they are all correct. But how can we get the one missing screenshot?
[10:21] <godbyk> quickshot: Good question. I'd ask flan. :-)
[10:21] <godbyk> He's our Quickshot developer.
[10:24] <quickshot> flan: Hi, I'm having some problems with getting 01-first-slide screenshot for the dutch language, it looks like Quickshot is unable to fetch the screenshot-list from the server
[10:36] <quickshot> looks like flan is not here, I'll join again from my regular install
[10:50]  * trijntje is quickshot
[14:54] <Hannie> ping godbyk
[16:38] <Hannie> Can anyone help me on this:
[16:38] <Hannie> PATH=/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/i386-linux:$PATH
[16:38] <Hannie> Use the syntax for your shell, your installation directory, and your binary platform name instead of i386-linux.
[16:45] <daker> may be it should be like this
[16:45] <daker> $ PATH=/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/i386-linux:$PATH; export PATH
[16:48] <nisshh> Hannie, you shouldnt have to set your PATH when installing tex using the instructions on the website
[16:49] <Hannie> Hi nisshh, I thought so too, Let me give you some information:
[16:49] <nisshh> sure
[16:49] <Hannie> After the installation finishes, you must add the TeX Live binary directory to your PATH—except on Windows, where the installer takes care of this. For example:
[16:49] <Hannie>   PATH=/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/i386-linux:$PATH
[16:49] <Hannie> Use the syntax for your shell, your installation directory, and your binary platform name instead of i386-linux.
[16:49] <nisshh> Hannie, where are you getting that from?
[16:50] <Hannie> Let me see:
[16:50] <Hannie> http://tug.org/texlive/quickinstall.html
[16:51] <nisshh> Hannie, ah, remember yesterday i said use the ubuntu-manual.org instructions?
[16:51] <nisshh> MUCH easier than installing the whole lot by hand
[16:51] <Hannie> I have followed this:
[16:52] <Hannie> http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors#install-tl2009
[16:52] <Hannie> Step-by-step
[16:52] <nisshh> Hannie, yep, so why are you setting your PATH it doesnt need to be set if you use the script
[16:53] <Hannie> Because in Bash ist says Tex is not installed
[16:53] <Hannie> *it
[16:53] <nisshh> Hannie, ah i see
[16:53] <Hannie> Checking TeX Live version...No version of TeX Live was detected.
[16:53] <Hannie> It appears that you do not have TeX Live 2009 installed.  Pleas
[16:54] <nisshh> Hannie, when you ran the installation script, did you enable the "create symlinks to standard directories" option?
[16:54] <nisshh> if you don't, that script thinks tex isnt installed :)
[16:54] <Hannie> Can I do that afterwards?
[16:54] <nisshh> happened to me the first time, then godbyk found the problem, and let me know for next time :)
[16:54] <nisshh> Hannie, yep, but i forgot how lol :)
[16:55] <nisshh> Hannie, best bet: ask godbyk :)
[16:55] <nisshh> godbyk, ping
[16:55] <Hannie> I just ran the installation with the letter "I"
[16:55] <Hannie> No questions were asked about symlinks
[16:55] <nisshh> Hannie, yea, that works ok, but you just need to explore the script options a bit more, it is in there ;)
[16:56] <nisshh> no, you have to search for it
[16:56] <nisshh> and enable it manually
[16:56] <Hannie> You are very funny, I am as green as an apple in this
[16:56] <nisshh> hehe
[16:56] <dutchie> Hannie: that is a lovely figure of speech
[16:56] <Hannie> I will send a mail to the list
[16:57] <nisshh> ok
[16:57] <Hannie> Thanks for your help again.Kevin is sleeping I suppose
[16:57] <Hannie> email is the only way now
[16:57] <nisshh> probably, although he wasnt last night :)
[16:58] <nisshh> Hannie, or you could wait for him to wake up in here
[16:58] <Hannie> Yes, just before I go to bed I will try again
[16:59] <Hannie> You are such a great help nisshh.  I think I have it sorted now
[19:46] <nisshh> jenkins, that's ok, i was just going to ask you about two things
[19:47] <jenkins> go on
[19:47] <nisshh> 1) any idea when the tex live PPA will be back up?
[19:47] <nisshh> 2) what about Quickshot for the dev manual?
[19:47] <jenkins> a long time as they are redoing how they are packaging tex live
[19:48] <nisshh> ok
[19:48] <nisshh> jenkins, i have had several people ask me about it
[19:48] <jenkins> you are welcome to use it for the manual, You will need a server and some samples.
[19:48] <nisshh> and ive had to help out many people who have trouble using the script :)
[19:48] <nisshh> ok
[19:48] <jenkins> unfortunaly I can't package it all my self :(
[19:48] <nisshh> yea
[19:49] <nisshh> jenkins, the PPA is not super important, just very useful
[19:49] <jenkins> I agree
[19:49] <nisshh> jenkins, what kind of stuff does quickshot need on the server?
[19:50] <jenkins> space to store the pictures erm. not sure tbh you will need to ask flan but . PHP and python i woul dguess
[19:50] <nisshh> ok
[19:50] <nisshh> i assume there is some sort of quickshot-server package to install? or is it a bit of a hack to setup?
[19:50] <nisshh> flan, ping
[19:51] <jenkins> there is no package but i am sure flan has it well explianed. I should work out how to install it myself
[19:51] <nisshh> ok, cool
[19:51] <nisshh> jenkins, what timezone is flan?
[19:53] <jenkins> he is in central canada i am just double checking
[19:54] <nisshh> ok, so he is probably asleep, like godbyk is :)
[19:56] <jenkins> is 1 in the afternoon for flan. he is not always at his pc on a weekend
[19:56] <nisshh> yea
[19:56] <nisshh> ill catch him during the week hopefully then :)
[19:56] <nisshh> thanks jenkins :)
[19:58] <jenkins> America/Edmonton is his time zone
[19:58] <nisshh> cool


[05:30] <Zack_dee> in order to keep my self login, I should have scree command ran..
[05:38] <Zack_dee> exit


[02:36] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:37] <Maik_aD> good morning
[05:47] <Maik_aD> RAM upgrade on the Lenovo T410 failed. However it seems i can use the two RAM modules in the Medion E6232 MD99070 which now has a total of 8GB.
[06:19] <ducasse> good morning
[07:08] <marcoagpinto> the cola demon!
[07:08]  * lotuspsychje runs
[07:10] <marcoagpinto> I have no cola :(
[07:10] <marcoagpinto> only in two hours I will go to the store


[04:00] <SusieQ> I would like to know if the speed issues accessing ppa.launchpad.net are affecting everyone?
[09:55] <Laney> how long are packages supposed to remain in Packages for after they are deleted?
[09:55] <Laney> I just got python-pexpect 4.0.1-0~ppa1 from ~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/ppa but didrocks apparently deleted it on 2015-10-19
[09:55] <Laney> if https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=pexpect&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter= is right
[10:45] <glen> hi. i have some automatic bzr->translations setup for a project
[10:46] <glen> but i can not find place where it is configured
[10:46] <glen> launchpad interface has always struck me as really complex and least documented
[10:46] <glen> anyway, i've migrated to git, and i would like the automatic translatsions commits apepar in git repo from now on
[10:48] <glen> the project i'm speaking of : https://code.launchpad.net/eventum
[10:49] <glen> and the branch that is used for translations auto commit https://code.launchpad.net/~glen666/eventum/po
[10:49] <cjwatson> we don't yet support automatic translation commits to git, unfortunately; it's one of the things on the backlog for full parity with bzr
[10:51] <glen> can i do that somehow differently, like setup git->bzr pull and then do the translations thing?
[10:51] <glen> ps: where is that translations commit configured, i can not find it anywhere logical i tried to look
[10:55] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject/Exports#Committing_translations_to_a_Bazaar_branch
[10:57] <cjwatson> I don't think you can sensibly do it by way of imports; you'd need bzr->git imports and LP doesn't do those automatically (that would be rather more work to implement than automatic translation commits!)
[10:57] <cjwatson> a git->bzr import won't work because you can't commit directly to one of those
[11:01] <glen> so, perhaps i just create emopty bzr repo containing only .pot
[11:01] <glen> and manually (outside launchpad infra) commit that .pot once it changes
[11:03]  * cjwatson updates the Exports page a bit
[11:03] <cjwatson> I'm not sure what that would gain you
[11:04] <cjwatson> you could cron something externally that does a translation export from LP and updates the relevant git branch with that
[11:05] <cjwatson> and if you want to have LP auto-import translations as well, then for now, you could have LP maintain an automatic git->bzr import and import translations from that
[11:05] <cjwatson> I don't see any benefit to having a pot-only bzr branch though
[11:20] <glen> i see the benefit that don't have to merge the changes, .pot is changed rarely, whole whole repo more often
[11:20] <glen> also i did have bzr2git script, but it broke at some point.
[11:21] <glen> can i change old bzr repo to use git sync instead? how?
[11:21] <glen> (that is different topic)
[11:24] <cjwatson> but if you're doing commits externally anyway, no merging needs to be involved - just commit the translations directly
[11:24] <cjwatson> I hope we'll have git-to-git imports relatively soon, but we haven't started on the necessary infrastructure yet
[11:34] <glen> so, can i commit .pot update directly to https://code.launchpad.net/~glen666/eventum/po ?
[11:58] <cjwatson> you can, I'm still not sure what you gain from that if you aren't actually using the bzr branch for code development, you might as well just upload it directly to LP
[12:06] <glen> i can do scripting to bzr automatically, uploading directly to lp is manual work
[14:20] <teward> i have a question.  how does automated duplicate detection work for bugs in the Ubuntu project on Launchpad?  Is there some signature that is used to detect some duplicates?
[14:22] <cjwatson> teward: not implemented by Launchpad itself, apport or apport-duplicates or something like that does it
[14:30] <teward> cjwatson: OK, so should I poke -devel ?
[14:30] <cjwatson> sure
[14:53] <Jack_> Hi
[14:54] <Jack_> I'm trying to install a package called Zeal but getting the following error:
[14:54] <Jack_> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[14:55] <Jack_> I have tried:
[14:55] <Jack_> $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:zeal-developers/ppa $ sudo apt-get update
[14:58] <cjwatson> Jack_: what Ubuntu release are you running?
[15:00] <Jack_> 12.04
[15:00] <Jack_> cjwatson:
[15:00] <cjwatson> Jack_: That PPA only publishes packages for 14.04, 14.10, and 15.04.  We only maintain the hosting infrastructure, and it's up to PPA owners to decide what releases they want to support
[15:00] <cjwatson> Jack_: https://launchpad.net/~zeal-developers has contact details
[15:01] <Jack_> Oh I see, so I would probably need to build myself?
[15:02] <cjwatson> Jack_: that or ask them to help, yes
[15:02] <Jack_> OK, thank you cjwatson :)
[16:37] <teward> the armhf ppa builders are still virtualized right?  Or are they physical yet?
[16:54] <cjwatson> teward: you have that one backwards, sort of
[16:55] <cjwatson> teward: current state: armhf builds for the Ubuntu primary archive and for certain privileged PPAs run on unsandboxed physical hardware; armhf builds for PPAs run on x86 systems using qemu-user-static
[16:56] <cjwatson> teward: we're part-way through setting up a new system in which all arm64 and armhf builds will be virtualised on arm64 hardware
[19:10] <__marco> Hello. Times ago I built a package. Now I would like to update that package but I don't know how
[19:11] <__marco> I downloaded the source (apt-get source blabla), made the modifications, updated the changelog and uploaded the .changes file again (debuild -S -sd)
[19:12] <__marco> but the package is not showed and the builds not launched
[19:15] <dobey> source packages must be signed with a valid gpg key that matches the one configured for your launchpad account
[19:15] <dobey> otherwise you will not get an e-mail about the upload being accepted or not, and it will not appear in the PPA
[19:23] <__marco> dobey: can I update a key in the keyserver?
[19:24] <__marco> just to extend the expire time
[19:24] <__marco> in the keyserver or in launchpad (it says that the key is already imported)
[19:25] <tumbleweed> yes you can
[19:25] <dobey> you have to update the keyserver, yes
[19:26] <__marco> I updated the key in the keyserver but I don't know how to import the key again in launchpad
[19:26] <__marco> or maybe I don't need it
[19:26] <dobey> you don't i don't think. launchpad just has the fingerprint
[19:26] <__marco> I try
[19:30] <__marco> Successfully uploaded packages... but I cannot see them in the ppa
[19:32] <__marco> sorry... I did not complete the activation procedure
[19:37] <__marco> dobey: tumbleweed thanks a lot. It worked
[19:37] <__marco> dinner time
[19:37] <__marco> bye
[19:53] <teward> remind me how I make a branch of my own that's based off another group's branch so that I can propose a merge request?
[19:53]  * teward forgot :/
[19:53] <teward> or rather, how to push my 'modified' branch to LP
[19:54] <dobey> bzr push lp:~teward/project/branch
[19:55] <teward> thank you


[15:38] <fahadash> hello
[15:39] <fahadash> Can I download Ubuntu for ARM Tablet ?
[15:39] <fahadash> !arm
[15:39] <fahadash> !commands
[15:52] <day> how long does the downloading 'boot.img' during the installation usually take?
[15:54] <day> apparently its supposed to take less than a second :P
[15:56] <day> ah lol now it works...wtf
[16:03] <day> fuck. i managed to reflash the original android T_T
[16:15] <day> after the boot.img installation. the routine starts CWM-based Recovery :/
[16:15] <day> that doesnt look promising
[16:22] <day> anyone an idea?
[21:51] <day> does anyone know a good virtualkey board that has arrowkeys?


[04:51] <padlock> hi
[15:56] <jamespage> o/
[15:58] <rcj> o/
[16:00] <coreycb> o/
[16:00] <arosales> o/
[16:00] <smb> o/
[16:00] <serue> \o
[16:01] <jamespage> arosales, are you doing the penance chair then?
[16:01]  * arosales will be kicking off the meeting in a couple of minutes as I forgot to send out the meeting minutes last week
[16:01] <matsubara> o/
[16:01] <lutostag> o/
[16:01] <arosales> jamespage, yes :-/
[16:01] <jamespage> arosales, ack
[16:01] <arosales> one sec while I get the commands
[16:01]  * jamespage dodges the chair for another week....
[16:02] <beisner> o/
[16:03] <arosales> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 18 16:03:56 2014 UTC.  The chair is arosales. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:04] <arosales> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:04] <arosales> I believe there were some from last week, let me grab those
[16:06] <arosales>  gaughen follow up with jamespage on bug 1243076
[16:06] <arosales>  gaughen follow up on dbus task for  bug 1248283
[16:06] <arosales> jamespage to follow up on bug 1278897 (policy compliant)
[16:07] <arosales> smoser update servercloud-1311-curtin bp
[16:07] <smoser> i updated it .
[16:07] <smoser> i'll file a ffe today
[16:07] <arosales> hallyn follow up on 1248283 from an lxc pov, ping serue to coordinate
[16:07] <serue> Done
[16:07] <arosales> yes serge please follow up with yourself :-)
[16:08] <serue> (commented as best i can there)
[16:08] <arosales> smoser, serue thanks
[16:08]  * jamespage is back after power blip
[16:08] <arosales> smoser update cloud-init BP
[16:08] <smoser> we'll say same there.
[16:08] <arosales> smoser, thanks
[16:08] <smoser> it is more up tod ate than last time.
[16:09] <arosales> that is the outstanding actions
[16:09] <arosales> gaughen, a few bugs outstanding for you
[16:09] <arosales> jamespage, to follow up on bug 1278897 (policy compliant)
[16:09] <jamespage> not got to that yet
[16:09] <jamespage> working on a few pre-freeze items first
[16:10] <arosales> ack I'll take its appropriately on your radar :-) --thanks
[16:10] <jamespage> it is
[16:10] <arosales> #topic Trusty Development
[16:10] <arosales> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[16:11] <arosales> Feature freeze this week !
[16:11] <arosales> Feb 20th
[16:11] <arosales> Beta1 freeze next week (feb 27)
[16:11] <arosales> make sure your code is in or file a ffe
[16:11] <arosales> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:11] <arosales> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-t-tracking-bug-tasks.html#server
[16:12] <arosales> jamespage, smoser are there any particular bugs you would like to call out here or just walk the highs?
[16:13] <jamespage> walk the highs
[16:13] <arosales> ack
[16:14] <arosales> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1248283
[16:14] <arosales> I think rbasak marked the dbus as invalid
[16:15] <arosales> and juju-core has the bug targetted for 1.18 which should be in trusty in the next couple of weeks
[16:15] <jamespage> indeed - speaking of which we need the FFe for juju-core
[16:15] <jamespage> I'll do that
[16:16] <arosales> jamespage thanks I think fwreade was also compiling a list of bugs and features that will be landing
[16:16] <arosales> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/horizon/+bug/1259166
[16:16] <arosales> zul ^
[16:16] <zul> havent gotten to it
[16:17] <arosales> zul, ack. I'll take its on your radar appropriately
[16:17] <arosales> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/+bug/1273877
[16:17] <zul> arosales:  yep
[16:17] <gaughen> o/
[16:17] <arosales> jamespage are you the neutron resident expert still?
[16:18] <jamespage> yeah - we need to get that in for the next o/s milestone
[16:18] <jamespage> if someone wants to learn how todo a rename its a good example
[16:18] <arosales> takers?
[16:18] <arosales> also this one looks like a good opp
[16:18] <arosales> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dovecot/+bug/1278897
[16:18] <jamespage> that's the policy one
[16:19] <jamespage> I don't think debconf is being used appropriately
[16:20] <arosales> any folks interested in those two bugs?
[16:20] <arosales> gaughen, could you follow up on those two for appropriate owners?
[16:20] <jamespage> coreycb is going to pickup the rename
[16:21] <arosales> #action follow upon bug 1273877
[16:21] <meetingology> ACTION: follow upon bug 1273877
[16:21] <arosales> thanks coreycb
[16:21] <arosales> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:22] <arosales> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/group/topic-t-servercloud-overview.html
[16:22] <arosales> jamespage, smoser any BPs you want to hit here?
[16:22] <arosales> I think smoser said he was going to update his I called out last week
[16:22] <smoser> i dont have any specifically.
[16:23] <smoser> in general, people need to just be aware that thursday is feature freeze
[16:23] <jamespage> I'll flag up the openstack charms one
[16:23] <jamespage> charm work is always loaded to back cycle but there are alot of work items on that BP still
[16:23] <jamespage> (and only one reviewer/lander right now)
[16:23] <smoser> if you have features not in, you need to file FFE for those. or postpone.
[16:24] <arosales> curtain, openstack charms, ceph, mysql alt, cloud-init, openstack (general) are all in the "red"
[16:24] <arosales> be a good week to get BPs updated to reflect reality
[16:25] <jamespage> mysql is OK - we have alot in the NEW queue awaiting AA review
[16:25] <arosales> jamespage ack
[16:25] <arosales> and I am sure ceph is ok
[16:25] <jamespage> the only thing that might not make it is percona-server - I've just reviewed Perconas first version of packaging - but it needs a bit of work still
[16:25] <arosales> smoser is following up on curtin and cloud-init
[16:25] <jamespage> arosales, yeah - I  have a few WI's on that BP that will probably drop off post firefly release
[16:25] <arosales> and you already called out openstack*
[16:25] <jamespage> like all the mod_fastcgi stuff
[16:26] <arosales> #action gaughen ensure BPs are updated
[16:26] <meetingology> ACTION: gaughen ensure BPs are updated
[16:26] <arosales> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:27] <arosales> caribou doesn't look to be here
[16:27] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:28] <psivaa> hello from my side:
[16:28] <psivaa> the same failures with smoke tests that i posted last week and they only need test code adjustments:
[16:28] <psivaa> 1. tomcat (control port not starting to listen due to lack of entropy)
[16:28] <psivaa> 2. test_mod_php on lamp server tests
[16:28] <psivaa> 3. minimal virtual installs on amd64 bloarting by about 5 MB
[16:28] <arosales> psivaa, Hello
[16:28] <psivaa> arosales: hello ^
[16:28] <psivaa> i can't do much of the testcode since server developers own it :)
[16:28] <arosales> psivaa, did you try rbask suggestion re entropy from last week?
[16:28] <arosales> and I think jamespage said you could bump the server size by 5mb
[16:29] <psivaa> arosales: i haven't but as i said i can't push to the ubuntu-test-cases/server branch
[16:30] <arosales> and I thought rbask acked the lamp tests?
[16:30] <smoser> psivaa, do you have a merge proposal ?
[16:30] <smoser> one of us can certainly merge it if you have one.
[16:31] <psivaa> smoser: ok, i could do the MP's for the tomcat and the size issue and there is already an MP for the php failure
[16:31] <psivaa> https://code.launchpad.net/~psivaa/ubuntu-test-cases/mod_php-fix/+merge/204273 needs merging
[16:32] <smoser> ok. thanks.
[16:32] <psivaa> thank you and that's all from me
[16:32] <arosales> psivaa, ok so hopefully we can get those resolved this week
[16:33] <psivaa> arosales: ok
[16:33] <arosales> psivaa, ping in ubuntu-sever if you need an ack
[16:33] <arosales> psivaa, thanks
[16:33] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:33] <smb> Nothing from my side this week. If there are not questions. Or do you have something sforshee?
[16:33] <sforshee> nope, nothing from me
[16:34] <arosales> ack, looks like no questions
[16:34] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:34] <rbasak> No new updates. Any questions?
[16:34] <arosales> looks like no questions
[16:34] <arosales> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:35] <arosales> Scale 12x later this week. marcoceppi and jcastro there giving talks, be sure to stop by if your in Los Angles
[16:35] <arosales> https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale12x
[16:35] <arosales> any others??
[16:36] <arosales> #topic Open Discussion
[16:36] <arosales> any other topics
[16:37] <arosales> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:37] <arosales> Tuesday 2014-02-25
[16:37] <arosales> Thanks for everyone's time
[16:37] <arosales> #endmeeting
[16:37] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 18 16:38:03 2014 UTC.
[16:37] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-02-18-16.03.moin.txt
[16:37] <jamespage> thanks arosales - now don't forget to send round those minutes :-)
[16:38]  * jamespage looks forward to next week
[16:38] <arosales> jamespage, will do :-)
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 18 17:00:23 2014 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/raring
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <bjf> o/
[17:00] <cking> \o
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:00] <kamal> o/
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati> Nothing new to report this week.
[17:01] <ppisati> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:01] <rtg> o/
[17:01] <ogasawara> dammit!!
[17:01] <ogasawara> 2secs
[17:01]  * smb runs in
[17:02] <rtg> this could be the longest meeting ever
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> || apw       || core-1311-kernel                || 4 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || core-1311-cross-compilation     || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || core-1311-hwe-plans             || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || ogasawara || core-1311-kernel                || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || smb       || servercloud-1311-openstack-virt || 6 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <ogasawara> sorry :/
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Raring Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> We have packaged our 3.13.0-9.29 Trusty kernel and uploaded to our
[17:03] <ogasawara> canonical-kernel-team ppa. This primarily pulls in the latest v3.13.3
[17:03] <ogasawara> upstream stable updates. We have also started tracking the v3.14 kernel
[17:03] <ogasawara> and have recently rebased our unstable branch to v3.14-rc3.
[17:03] <ogasawara> -----
[17:03] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:03] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Feb 20 - Feature Freeze (~2 dayss away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Feb 27 - Beta 1 (~1 week away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Mar 27 - Final Beta (~5 weeks away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Apr 03 - Kernel Freeze (~6 weeks away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:04] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:04] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:04] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Saucy/Quantal/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/sconklin)
[17:04] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today (Nov. 26):
[17:04] <bjf>   *   Lucid - Prep'ing kernels
[17:04] <bjf>   * Precise - Prep'ing kernels
[17:04] <bjf>   * Quantal - Prep'ing kernels
[17:04] <bjf>   *   Saucy - Prep'ing kernels
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:04] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:04] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:04] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:05] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:05] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 18 17:05:19 2014 UTC.
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-02-18-17.00.moin.txt
[17:05] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury!
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