[16:11] <jonh> HEY EVERYONE NOOB HERE!1 Sorry, wait, no, I can type.  I'm working on some improvements to Inkscape, and want to fetch the bzr repo so I can eventually commit changes.
[16:11] <jonh> I created a launchpad account, username jonhdotnet.
[16:11] <jonh> https://login.ubuntu.com/ shows me logged in with that username.
[16:11] <LeoNerd> If you just want to fetch, you don't need a login
[16:12] <jonh> (Ah, but I was planning ahead as suggested on https://inkscape.org/en/develop/getting-started/)
[16:12]  * LeoNerd nod
[16:12] <jonh> jonh@selah:~/inkscape-hacking$ bzr launchpad-login jonhdotnet
[16:12] <jonh> bzr: ERROR: The user name jonhdotnet is not registered on Launchpad.
[16:12] <jonh> But bzr doesn't believe me.
[16:13] <LeoNerd> Ah, not sure on that myself. I don't use any of the LP integration things
[16:13] <jonh> This must be a shallow mistake, so I'm embarrassed to ask.
[16:13] <jonh> Alright. Perhaps I'll just fetch anonymously, and then ask more enthusiastically once I have a patch ready for review.
[16:13] <LeoNerd> Perhaps best
[16:13] <LeoNerd> It gets you started at least
[16:14] <jonh> (And I guess I'll ask the inkscape folks, since this seems to be lp specific.)
[16:14] <jonh> Thanks for letting me drop in and cause trouble. :v)
[16:14] <LeoNerd> Well, here itself is fairly ontopic for LP generally. I'm just not *personally* familiar with it


[08:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday and happy Cow Appreciation Day! (With a shout out to Embrace Your Geekness Day tomorrow) :-D
[13:28] <dobey> JamesTait: every day is cow appreciation day in india! :)
[13:29] <JamesTait> dobey, true!
[13:37] <dobey> also here. where i appreciate them often, using my teeth!


[03:24] <ali1234> ochosi: i think i know why it isn't working. there is no libsoundmenu.so anywhere on my system. it looks like the way indicators work has been changed yet again and now they are just executables, so there is nothing for the indicator-applet to load (it directly loads the .so files)
[03:25] <ali1234> if i understand correctly it means indicator-applet will have to be totally rewritten to make this work
[16:41] <ali1234> ochosi: this is where they patched the gnome fallback indicator applet for the new style indicators, the same thing needs to be done with xfce: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-applet/trunk.13.10/revision/409
[17:23] <ali1234> actually this code looks rather familiar :P
[20:40] <Noskcaj> If i get gthumb working this weekend, will we be able to get it into saucy?
[20:48] <Noskcaj> AN IT BUILDS!
[21:10] <skellat> Noskcaj: Does it fix any bugs by getting a new gthumb in?  If not you need to file a Feature Freeze Exception request bug.
[21:40] <knome> micahg, i disagree with your indicators decision...
[21:41] <ochosi> knome: i was off for a while, what's up ^ ?
[21:41] <Noskcaj> The gthumb changelog is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/6045779/
[21:41] <knome> ochosi, referring to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2013-August/002523.html
[21:42] <ochosi> ah
[21:42] <ochosi> i see
[21:43] <ochosi> well frankly, so far, little testing has been done on that
[21:43] <ochosi> ali1234 reported some issues that i'm chatting andrzejr up about atm
[21:43] <knome> i think it's too late to back up after fighting with it and not saying no back then..
[21:43] <skellat> Noskcaj: But are bugs being fixed that are tracked in Ubuntu?
[21:44] <knome> i think i'm more against the way/time how the decision turned out rather than the decision itself
[21:44] <ochosi> mhm
[21:44] <ali1234> ochosi: it looks like it should be easy to make the new indicators work, the source code of the indicator applet is mostly shared with the gnome one, and that is already fixed.
[21:44] <ochosi> agreed, that should be discussed
[21:45] <ochosi> ali1234: thanks for the research and testing on that btw!
[21:45] <skellat> Noskcaj: That is to say, any of the bugs listed here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gthumb
[21:45] <knome> otoh, it's too late to discuss it now because it won't now land in for beta 1, and i agree landing after b1 is too late
[21:46]  * ochosi dislikes last-minute hop-or-drop decisions...
[21:46] <Noskcaj> skellat, i'll do that when i get back from my first soccer game
[21:47] <skellat> Noskcaj: Okay.  Debian-side has a Request for Adoption so I'm wondering if pushing this through Debian first might be a better idea
[21:47] <Noskcaj> skellat, i am
[21:47] <skellat> Okay.
[21:48] <knome> for me, gthumb is an okay application, but i'm not specifically a fan of it.
[21:48] <ochosi> +1
[21:48] <ochosi> if shotwell weren't qt, we could ship that
[21:48] <ochosi> it's quite nice thb
[21:48] <Noskcaj> I don't use it either
[21:48] <ochosi> tbh
[21:48] <skellat> Noskcaj: Now, if you're looking for a new challenge to start packaging I can help you with the manual page for this one: https://launchpad.net/markdowner
[21:48] <knome> having said that, i don't think anybody should maintain it just because it is a "xubuntu application", but because they like it and *want* to maintain it
[21:49]  * ochosi remembers we started shipping it for supporting special cameras...
[21:49] <skellat> That needs to start off in Debian so it isn't going to get into Saucy but it would be nice to have it in T
[21:49] <knome> ochosi, you remember wrong
[21:49] <knome> we started shipping it because ristretto was broken
[21:49] <ochosi> knome: so why then?
[21:49] <knome> we kept it because it supported more cameras
[21:49] <ochosi> weird, it's not really a simple image viewer
[21:50] <knome> sure, but that was our best option to replace ristretto
[21:50] <knome> to replace *broken* ristretto
[21:50] <knome> once ristretto was back in the business, it could've served as the simple image viewer, but by that time people apprently wanted more
[21:51] <Noskcaj> skellat, i'll look into that after gthumb works (i'll try and transfer ownership to the gnome team) and i've finished etm-qt
[21:51] <Unit193> knome: He said somthing about pushing in backports for saucy, though it may have changed.
[21:51] <skellat> Noskcaj: Okay.  Markdowner is a fun little python-based thing that is a basic Markdown text editor that lets gives you HTML preview and lets you save Markdown & HTML.
[21:52] <skellat> Something a little less heavy-duty than some of the other things you've tackled thus far
[21:52] <Noskcaj> skellat, sound interesting
[21:52] <Noskcaj> *sounds
[21:53] <knome> Unit193, not the same, but yep, i remember seeing that as well
[21:53] <Unit193> Sure it's not the same, but far better than nothing.
[21:54] <knome> i suppose.
[21:54] <skellat> I'll be interested if the maintainer ever responds on Debian Bug #712102 even though that little package is finally unseeded on our end downstream.
[21:54] <knome> but then again, eating at a crappy fast-food restaurant is better than not eating...
[21:55] <Unit193> I wouldn't compare backports to crappy fastfood, but that's me.
[21:56] <skellat> Unit193: Depends upon the euphemisms in use
[21:57] <knome> Unit193, not backports, but the saying "better than nothing"
[22:02] <Unit193> Alright, I'll try it again.  It may be in backports, so that'll be nice.  :P
[22:12] <knome> heh
[22:12] <knome> fast food is nice if you're hungry...
[22:12] <knome> ...but it's not the thing you'd put in your mouth if you could choose
[22:15] <Unit193> Mmmmmm, fish sandwich from Rallys... :D
[22:16] <skellat> Unit193: You still have one of those establishments nearby?
[22:16] <Unit193> On trips it's close.
[22:22] <ArminasAnarchy> Hi all, does anyone have any news about an xfce-core package? I read something about how it might be in development, but figured this would be the place to check the progress.
[22:22] <ochosi> you mean a xfce-core packageset?
[22:24] <skellat> ArminasAnarchy: I dropped the ball on that as other life issues came up.
[22:24] <ArminasAnarchy> Package set? I heard there was discussion about creating a meta package with just vital desktop components (i.e. window manager, xserver, thunar etc) with things like xchat, gnumeric, abiword out.
[22:24] <ArminasAnarchy> it might have been xubuntu-core or something, I can't remember
[22:24] <ArminasAnarchy> Ahh were you the dev? Has anyone else picked it up?
[22:25] <skellat> ArminasAnarchy: Again, I dropped the ball on that.  Little things like dealing with one's mother in the hospital with cardiac issues kinda do a number on your priorities.
[22:25] <skellat> ArminasAnarchy: Unless somebody has done so in secret, nope.
[22:25] <knome> ArminasAnarchy, no, it hasn't been worked on now.
[22:25] <knome> theoretically it could hit 13.10, but not as an option at installation time
[22:26] <skellat> ArminasAnarchy: We're after Feature Freeze so it is very likely to not hit 13.10 in anything shipped.  I may get started next month putting together documentation for us to consider prior to the T cycle that begins near the end of October.
[22:26] <Unit193> I looked at that one, and mentally half made the list...
[22:27] <knome> Unit193, yes, it's one of those things that are easy to half-do mentally...
[22:27] <ArminasAnarchy> Sorry about your Mam, skellat. =( I hope she gets well soon and you both pull through. I don't suppose it's the kind of thing you can really build into any plans/timetable :|
[22:27] <knome> regardless if you meant "in a mental state" or "in one's mind"
[22:28] <Unit193> knome: Really all you need to do is look at the current seed, and drop out useless items (I'd compare with the lubuntu one too, but that's me.)
[22:28] <knome> useless is a bad term, but yes.
[22:28] <ochosi> at least it's not a useless term
[22:28] <knome> :P
[22:29] <skellat> Once we're not messing with the seeds anymore I'll download the branches and start putting together something we can slap up on the wiki for discussion
[22:29] <skellat> Along with the other documentation work that needs to happen in September & October
[22:29] <ArminasAnarchy> I figured the way to do it would be to install it on top of a minimal installation...it'd be a little pointless otherwise?
[22:29] <knome> skellat, or pad
[22:29] <ArminasAnarchy> Do we have a release date for salamander?
[22:30] <skellat> 17 October 2013 (See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule )
[22:30] <Unit193> ArminasAnarchy: On top of the mini.iso is generally the thought.
[22:34] <ArminasAnarchy> At the moment I've a bit of time (at least until uni on the 20th), and I'd be interested in putting together this metapackage...I'm keen to get involved but don't really have much of an idea of HOW to.
[22:35] <ArminasAnarchy> Working out the packages that are needed should be easy enough, just a case of going through the packages I have installed currently, and seeing how many I could pull out without things breaking...right?
[22:35] <skellat> That's not the safest way to go
[22:35] <ArminasAnarchy> Or would it be easier to work from the ground up?
[22:35] <skellat> ArminasAnarchy: Yes
[22:36] <knome> or from the seed
[22:36] <ArminasAnarchy> the seed?
[22:36] <skellat> There are also some Technical Boards resolutions that have to be followed that are documented in the seeds that discuss minimum things that must be included.
[22:36] <knome> we can probably point out which packages are essential for the system "working"
[22:36] <htmlgifted> hay all htmlgifted 12.04 xubuntu user... Nice to met u.. I hope i can find and provide help to any one and every i can... Happy labor day to u all... tty all l8ter.
[22:37] <skellat> The "seed" is the file that is what the metapackage is built from.  It contains the list of packages and whether they would be hard dependencies or removable ones.
[22:37] <ArminasAnarchy> Where could I find that?
[22:38] <skellat> For Xubuntu, our seed for Saucy can be found here: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.saucy
[22:39] <skellat> The whole set of seeds being worked on can be found here: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds
[22:41] <ArminasAnarchy> So how do I use that? o.o
[22:42] <htmlgifted> what i see.... after doing the password...
[22:42] <htmlgifted> IDS/IPS interfaces.
[22:42] <skellat> You mostly want to look at the STRUCTURE file in this view: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.saucy/files
[22:42] <htmlgifted> configure which interface you want snort to listen to
[22:43] <knome> htmlgifted, wrong channel?
[22:43] <skellat> From there you can look at each individual file which has quite a bit commenting to it
[22:44] <htmlgifted> yah.
[22:44] <htmlgifted> srry.
[22:45] <skellat> And then you could compare against the Lubuntu seed which has a core file in it which lays out their core packages: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~skellat/ubuntu-seeds/lubuntu.saucy/files
[22:45] <ArminasAnarchy> Oh, and, is there any documentation on how to get involved? If there isn't any currently, maybe it'd be an idea for an experience dev to create something? It's a bit of a pain in the short term, but if it gets more people involved and makes contributing easier, in the long term it should be more than worthwhile.
[22:45] <OvenWerk1> skellat: Studio may be interested in such a meta.
[22:45] <knome> ArminasAnarchy, yes. http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[22:46] <skellat> OverWerk1: smartboyhw apparently has some open seeds on Launchpad of his own.  He may be able to help cook something up.
[22:48] <OvenWerk1> I have been playing with some stuff too, but not anything custom in that way. It is not much work to take a xubuntu install and cook it to look like our install.
[22:49] <ArminasAnarchy> I'm in the situation where I love Xubuntu, and would love to be able to contribute, but don't have the time/patience to learn to code. So I could do stuff with testing, and maybe with writing documentation, but I've no idea with how to start. @knome: that page is far too brief. "Join the IRC and mailing lists" is going to leave most people lost.
[22:50] <OvenWerk1> The new monitor app works really well btw.
[22:50] <OvenWerk1> I am now aware of how messed up the intel g500 (I think) driver is.
[22:50] <ArminasAnarchy> Maybe something more explicitly stating how the project is governed and developer, where developers are needed?
[22:51] <skellat> ArminasAnarchy: knome is the Xubuntu Project Leader and guides the project overall
[22:51] <knome> ArminasAnarchy, also see the subpages below
[22:51] <knome> ArminasAnarchy, there's no clear area where we need help - we always need help with everything
[22:52] <knome> i also think that you should do something that scratches your itch, not something somebody just happens to need
[22:52] <knome> that's the best motivator, not us telling "our documentation is crappy"
[22:53] <knome> (it used to be... now people that like working on documentation has found their way to our project)
[22:53] <skellat> :-)
[22:53] <skellat> Next week is when we'll been probably needing suggestion on things to add to the offline documentation
[22:54]  * skellat has fingers flailing over the keyboard making typos...must go find food...
[22:54] <knome> that, and we'll need to rewrite some sections as well
[22:54] <knome> skellat, bon appetit :)
[22:55] <knome> ArminasAnarchy, also, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument
[22:58] <lderan> oh knome theres been no further comments on the slideshow MP, shall i poke him a bit? :P
[22:59] <Unit193> OK, so did a round one for core...
[23:00] <knome> lderan, wondering if we should get more feedback from more people
[23:00] <lderan> sounds good to me
[23:00] <knome> oh bah, i need to test Unit193's slideshow-respin
[23:00] <knome> can't do that before mon though :/
[23:07] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/EnlmnypYiWKZfVRTjQxD/ it's not much, but a start.
[23:08] <lderan> ooo
[23:10] <Unit193> May have to put elinks or w3m in there to silence some deps on www-browser.
[23:43] <knome> bbl, sleepytime now
[23:43] <pleia2> good night, knome
[23:43] <ochosi> night knome


[13:29] <osama> salam 3alekom
[13:32] <osama> hi wazery
[13:33] <wazery> hi osama
[13:33] <osama> it's my first time here
[13:33] <wazery> feel free to ask anything
[13:35] <osama> i love linux at all
[13:35] <osama> but i prefer Centos
[13:35] <osama> cause i run it on my server
[13:35] <osama> ubuntu also is good
[13:36] <osama> but unity is heavy
[13:36] <osama> i hope next release of ubuntu fix this issue
[13:37] <wazery> hope so
[13:37] <osama> are you a support for ubuntu
[13:37] <osama> or just user like me
[13:37] <wazery> just trying to help if I can
[13:38] <osama> excellent
[13:38] <osama> my dear
[13:39] <osama> i wanna to learn bash commands from a to z
[13:39] <osama> are there an documentary for this
[13:39] <osama> i prefer arabic one


[09:40] <eramazanov_> Hi! Can anybody help me with MAAS installation? I installed it on 1 of my computers, configured DHCP server and now 3 PCs are in their own private network. I tried to add node via PXE image, but "Can not apply stage final, no datasource found! Likely bad things to come!" error comes after giving me option to log in. Then I tried to add node via web interface, but after adding it node's status is always "commisioning". So what shoul
[09:40] <eramazanov_> Any help is appreciated. Thank you
[09:40] <eramazanov_> P.S. English is not my native language, sorry for any type of errors.
[10:02] <eramazanov_> People can anybody help me?
[10:30] <rbasak> !patience | eramazanov_
[10:32] <AskUbuntu> MAAS. Adding nodes | http://askubuntu.com/q/313790
[11:06] <eramazanov_> ubot5. Thank you. I am now asking stackoverflow. askubuntu.
[11:06] <eramazanov_> ;)


[04:19] <SilverPlated> I have a, hopefully, simple question
[04:19] <SilverPlated> how do you handle a livecd not working on your hardware?
[04:20] <SilverPlated> It seems like it would waste a lot of time just waiting for the latest install cd to work
[04:20] <SilverPlated> is there a process you follow when this happens?
[16:16] <paran> anybody here running intrepid in KVM? with kvm from hardy-proposed I am able to install and boot intrepid, but it fails to start Xorg.
[16:23] <stgraber> paran: known bug with kvm + Xorg, not sure if we have a workaround for it though
[16:31] <paran> stgraber: ok. you have a url to some bugreport, mailing list discussion or something? I tried google before asking here but failed to find anything :)
[16:33] <stgraber> I think we linked to a bug report in the release announcement for alpha-2
[16:38] <paran> stgraber: that was the clock issues (fixed in hardy-proposed). oh well, I will try google some more :)


[01:43] <daker> godbyk, if you could pls point test.ubuntu-manual.org to lp:ubuntu-manual-website/main ??
[01:43] <godbyk> daker: sure. give me a few minutes to download that repository.
[01:43] <daker> oki
[01:43] <godbyk> (and hope that my internet connection holds up!)
[01:44] <daker> lp:ubuntu-manual-website
[01:44] <godbyk> daker: do you want me to set it to auto-update?
[01:45] <daker> yes
[01:46] <humphreybc> daker: how long are you going to be around for?
[01:47] <daker> about 2hours or less
[01:47] <godbyk> daker: should be up now.
[01:47] <humphreybc> ah
[01:47] <humphreybc> i'll get that mockup done later today, you'll see it in your inbox when you come back tomorrow
[01:47] <humphreybc> godbyk, what am I looking at?
[01:48] <humphreybc> ah ha
[01:48] <humphreybc> video
[01:48] <humphreybc> fantastic
[01:48] <godbyk> ?
[01:48] <godbyk> http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/
[01:48] <humphreybc> yeah
[01:48] <humphreybc> video is there
[01:49] <humphreybc> daker, contributors page is looking great
[01:49] <daker> :D
[01:49] <humphreybc> i'll finish the contributors video today and re-render it
[01:50] <daker> see the new shadowbox
[01:50] <humphreybc> shadowbox?
[01:51] <daker> there is a shadow arround the page content
[01:51] <humphreybc> there is?
[01:51] <daker> yes
[01:51] <humphreybc> I can't see it
[01:51] <daker> your are using Chrome ?
[01:51] <humphreybc> yup
[01:52] <daker> screenshot pls
[01:52] <humphreybc> i can see it in firefox
[01:53] <humphreybc> screenshot in a sec
[01:53] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ump-no-shadow.png
[01:56] <daker> this in Chrome ?
[01:56] <humphreybc> yep
[01:56] <daker> odd
[01:58] <godbyk> daker: is the language dropdown filled dynamically based on which translation files are available? or is the list hard-coded?
[01:59] <daker> in filed on the includes/config.php file
[01:59] <daker> it's*
[02:01] <humphreybc> hehehe
[02:01] <humphreybc> "mpt @TheUbuntuManual I’m torn between feeling lust for real Marmite, or alarm that a book is eating toast."
[02:02] <daker> hhhh
[02:02] <daker> godbyk, you can see the shadowbox ?
[02:03] <daker> humphreybc, http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9573/capturesq.png
[02:03] <humphreybc> daker, yeah, it looks like that in firefox for me
[02:03] <humphreybc> i'll do a side-by-side comparison for ye
[02:04] <daker> you are sur that there is no cache files?
[02:04] <humphreybc> positive
[02:05] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ff-chrome-ump.png
[02:06] <humphreybc> chrome on the left, firefox on the right
[02:07] <godbyk> daker: I'm using Chrome and can't see it either.
[02:10] <daker> normaly the css should works, tbBox-shadow is supported by Firefox (since the latest 3.5 version), Safari (since version 3.1) and by Chrome (since its first version) and Opera
[02:11] <daker> the* Box-shadow
[02:11] <daker> this is really odd
[02:12]  * daker is installing Chrome
[02:14] <daker> godbyk, other thing
[02:15] <daker> if you could pls push the lp:ubuntu-manua-website/main/includes/languages/ubu_man_website_translations.pot
[02:16] <daker> to the main branch of the manual in /website/includes/languages/
[02:16] <daker> replace the old one
[02:18] <godbyk> daker: yeah, let me look into it.
[02:30] <daker> yeah humphreybc it doesn't work in chrome
[02:34] <humphreybc> oh well
[02:35] <humphreybc> remove the drop shadow altogether
[02:35] <humphreybc> my mockup for the social thing will work better without a drop shadow around the content box
[02:35] <daker> let me look :)
[02:35] <humphreybc> i haven't made it yet :P
[02:36] <daker> oki
[02:44] <godbyk> humphreybc: amazon just emailed me this recommendation: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0596804849/ref=snp_dp
[02:44] <humphreybc> hey nice, an O'Reilly book
[02:45] <humphreybc> covers 10.04 too
[02:45] <humphreybc> very ugly cover :P
[02:45] <humphreybc> he's probably pissed at us for stealing all the glory
[02:46] <humphreybc> (and being a damn sight cheaper)
[02:50] <humphreybc> anyway, i'm off, gotta do some chores
[02:50] <godbyk> k
[03:39] <daker> Daker-shbot, ping
[03:40] <daker> Daker-shbot: ping
[03:40] <Daker-shbot> pong
[03:41] <daker> night all
[04:47] <humphreybc> godbyk, what do you reckon
[04:47] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/social-top.png
[04:47] <humphreybc> or
[04:47] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/social-right.png
[05:36] <IlyaHaykinson> sorry all, had to miss the meeting earlier
[05:47] <humphreybc> Ilya, no worries
[05:48] <humphreybc> check out http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/MaiZTb4Fjd
[05:48] <humphreybc> godbyk, what do I have to do?
[05:50] <IlyaHaykinson> nod. just finished going through logs and through the pads
[05:51] <humphreybc> groovy
[05:51] <IlyaHaykinson> i like the persona thing (though we'll want to spend a bit more time testing that persona -- for example, we should be sure that it'll resonate with our readers.. perhaps we can create four or five abridged personae and run through them with a quick survey)
[05:51] <IlyaHaykinson> the other thing is i'm not sure about the #3 goal for maverick
[05:51] <IlyaHaykinson> i.e. the developer manual etc
[05:52] <humphreybc> what are you not sure about It?
[05:52] <humphreybc> that doesn't make sense but i'm sure you get me haha
[05:52] <IlyaHaykinson> right. i guess i would rather focus on ubuntu, still, but focus on completeness
[05:52] <IlyaHaykinson> we have a lot (a _lot_) of holes in the manual right now
[05:53] <humphreybc> yup, and we're going to fix those for the lucid 2nd edition
[05:53] <IlyaHaykinson> and i think it'd take some effort to fill them.
[05:53] <IlyaHaykinson> well, no, i don't mean bugs
[05:53] <IlyaHaykinson> or just thigns that are slightly off.
[05:53] <humphreybc> sure
[05:53] <IlyaHaykinson> i think we can get things fixed up into shape and 100% error free for Lucid-E2
[05:53] <humphreybc> we've got six months. we're aiming for the 2nd edition to have all _bugs_ fixed and the maverick release to have all the (relevant) content there
[05:54] <humphreybc> meanwhile we can work on the contributors manual too
[05:54] <humphreybc> most of which won't be written from scratch
[05:54] <IlyaHaykinson> i guess i am not sure what the contributors manual woudl include
[05:54] <humphreybc> it would basically be an introduction to each area that people can contribute to
[05:55] <humphreybc> there would be a summary of what that would involve, what prior experience you'll need (if any), perhaps some instructions on how to get started and then contact details/links for further help
[05:55] <IlyaHaykinson> i.e. "how to contribute to ubuntu design", "how to be a gnome developer", "packaging apps"?
[05:55] <IlyaHaykinson> why should _our_ team do this?
[05:55] <humphreybc> why shouldn't we?
[05:56] <IlyaHaykinson> well, for one, it seems quite different from a normal manual.
[05:56] <humphreybc> it is
[05:56] <IlyaHaykinson> i think that we (should) have our hands full of the main manual
[05:56] <IlyaHaykinson> i.e. the best _user_ manual
[05:56] <IlyaHaykinson> whereas the contributor manual seems somewhat orthogonal to our focus
[05:56] <IlyaHaykinson> i don't mean to disparage it. it's a great idea.
[05:57] <IlyaHaykinson> but it seems like the problems that we have for maverick are pretty large
[05:57] <humphreybc> i'm confident we can do well
[05:57] <humphreybc> hopefully after UDS we'll have better ties with the docs team and the learning project
[05:57] <IlyaHaykinson> 1) open office, 2) there'll be major changes, probably with a new gnome, 3) actually useful troubleshooting sections
[05:57] <humphreybc> right. gnome-shell isn't going to be in maverick
[05:58] <IlyaHaykinson> ah.
[05:58] <humphreybc> well, it's highly unlikely
[05:58] <IlyaHaykinson> and of course the other two big efforts in using the persona and creating a good quick-start guide
[05:58] <IlyaHaykinson> i guess i think with a contributor guide we'd be spreading ourselves too thin
[05:58] <humphreybc> the contributors manual will be a lot different to what we've already done, in the fact that it will mainly re-use content from the respective help on team pages etc
[05:59] <IlyaHaykinson> plus there is no hard deadline for a contributor guide. i.e. we could say that we can work on it after the maverick freeze, for example.
[05:59] <humphreybc> we have to have a new publication every release if we want to keep growing and attracting new people, it'll be difficult but I reckon we can nail it.
[05:59] <humphreybc> yeah well exactly, the contributors guide doesn't have to come out at maverick
[06:00] <IlyaHaykinson> ok. i still don't like it super-much in terms of focus, but as long as it does not get in the way of the main manual work, i support it.
[06:01] <humphreybc> yeah, it won't, top priority is the ubuntu manual
[06:01] <humphreybc> all of this is subject to a few things, like if we have enough people, if we have enough interest from the rest of the community
[06:01] <IlyaHaykinson> also, a question about lulu.com -- was a decision made to use it?
[06:01] <humphreybc> yep
[06:01] <IlyaHaykinson> i don't really understand the workflow.
[06:02] <IlyaHaykinson> it seems like with lulu anyone can print a copy.
[06:02] <humphreybc> godbyk can explain, if he's around
[06:02] <IlyaHaykinson> if _we_ print a bunch of copies, we'd have to pay for shipping to someone's location. and then that person would have to pay for shipping to each user.
[06:02] <humphreybc> no, we don't print them
[06:02] <humphreybc> we just upload the PDF and make it available, then people order it as if they were ordering a book from amazon
[06:03] <IlyaHaykinson> ok. so in that case it just saves them the step of uploading, right?
[06:03] <humphreybc> but we upload it with set options like black and white, paperback, sizes and stuff
[06:03] <humphreybc> basically, yeah
[06:03] <IlyaHaykinson> there's no price break, and it's free for us.
[06:03] <humphreybc> doesn't cost us a cent
[06:03] <humphreybc> and all the customer pays for is the cost of printing and shipping
[06:03] <humphreybc> we don't make any money
[06:03] <humphreybc> hence why we can offer it for $9.75 USD
[06:03] <humphreybc> for the most basic version
[06:04] <IlyaHaykinson> ok.
[06:04] <humphreybc> :)
[06:04] <IlyaHaykinson> well, except for the cheap paper.
[06:04] <IlyaHaykinson> + shipping
[06:05] <humphreybc> yeah I think that's + shipping
[06:06] <humphreybc> basically our project should keep growing and we should have many publications available for users to choose from
[06:06] <humphreybc> in all sorts of formats and covering lots of different topics
[06:06] <humphreybc> that's the ultimate goal
[06:06] <IlyaHaykinson> nod
[06:06] <humphreybc> our flagship will always be "Getting Started with Ubuntu" though
[06:07] <humphreybc> and each new feature for each release doesn't have to be a new manual
[06:07] <humphreybc> we could have a LaTeX GUI editor for the 11.04 cycle
[06:07] <humphreybc> or maybe our own translation infastructure
[06:07] <IlyaHaykinson> blurb.com also prints books... seems like it may be cheaper
[06:07] <IlyaHaykinson> http://www.blurb.com/create/book/pricing#bw-text
[06:07] <humphreybc> or our own bug reporting tool using the launchpad API
[06:07] <humphreybc> there are literally "unlimited possibilities" for our team ;)
[06:08] <humphreybc> true, a dollar cheaper
[06:08] <IlyaHaykinson> actually that cheaper pricing is for smaller page sizes
[06:08] <humphreybc> 5x8 inches
[06:08] <humphreybc> that's quite small
[06:08] <humphreybc> it would probably work out around the same price
[06:13] <IlyaHaykinson> yeah, lulu makes the most sense
[06:13] <IlyaHaykinson> you know, we should probably have a "read online" version on the site... using the google PDF reader, which i think you can embed
[06:13] <IlyaHaykinson> so that people don't need to download the PDF
[06:17] <humphreybc> yeah, I think someone else mentioned that
[06:40] <IlyaHaykinson> also check out https://www.createspace.com/Products/Book/
[06:54] <vish> humphreybc: " covering lots of different topics "  ? expanding the manual?
[06:56] <humphreybc> vish, hmm?
[06:56] <vish>  <humphreybc> in all sorts of formats and covering lots of different topics
[06:56] <vish> was just reading the scrollback and noticed that :)
[06:57] <vish> humphreybc> basically our project should keep growing and we should have many publications available for users to choose from
[06:57] <humphreybc> oh yeah
[06:58] <vish> humphreybc: heys , i'll be at the UDS too :)
[06:58] <vish> heya*
[06:58] <humphreybc> nice!
[06:59] <humphreybc> what day do you arrive?
[06:59] <vish> 9th
[07:00] <vish> humphreybc: hehe , my flight arrives at 7am and i thought i was early ;p
[07:00] <humphreybc> lol
[07:02] <vish> humphreybc: btw, sort your time by arrival! you have it among the 9th arrivals ;)
[07:02] <humphreybc> i do?
[07:02] <humphreybc> link?
[07:02] <vish> humphreybc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/Attendees
[07:03] <humphreybc> oh i forgot to change the date
[07:03] <humphreybc> i do arrive on the 9th
[07:03] <vish> ha , then infact I'm early :s
[07:03] <humphreybc> lol you are
[07:04] <humphreybc> changed
[07:05] <vish> humphreybc: the share a taxi column is to select that you *want/prefer* to share  or already have a person you are sharing with?
[07:06] <vish> the ./
[07:06] <humphreybc> I think it's want/prefer
[07:06] <vish> k.
[07:07] <vish> well popey might know.. ;) popey^ ? prefer or already have a person ?
[07:07] <humphreybc> he'll be asleep :P
[07:08] <humphreybc> it's 6am on a sunday morning
[07:08] <vish> lazy brits ;p
[07:08] <humphreybc> it's prefer, because i know that everyone isn't already hooked up that well
[07:08] <vish> ah , cool
[07:09] <humphreybc> my roommate is on the same flight as me :D
[07:09] <vish> yup , popey is probably still asleep , no tweets ;)
[07:09] <vish> humphreybc: lucky you!
[07:32] <humphreybc> change of plan, we're not going to do the contributors manual, instead we're doing something better
[08:34] <dutchie> humphreybc: thought of something else for that LP translations thing
[08:59] <ubuntujenkins> morning
[09:01] <dutchie> o/
[09:04] <humphreybc> dutchie: sort of, will keep thinking and I'll have something more concrete after UDS
[09:04] <humphreybc> (oh no it's nothing to do with translations)
[09:05] <dutchie> I meant I did
[09:05] <dutchie> could be useful to be able to get a list of everyone who's contributed a translation
[09:06] <humphreybc> oh righto
[09:06] <humphreybc> true
[09:07] <humphreybc> let's add our ideas to this
[09:07] <humphreybc> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMPtranslations
[09:13]  * popey waves
[09:14] <humphreybc> hey Alan
[09:14] <humphreybc> you're up way too early for a Sunday
[09:14] <popey> the taxi column is "I am willing/able to share" as opposed to "I have made my own arrangements"
[09:14] <popey> i have kids
[09:15] <popey> been up for over an hour
[09:15] <humphreybc> Cool, vish, you get that?
[09:15] <popey> watching the GP whilst making bacon sarnies
[09:15] <humphreybc> Martin and I are on the same plane from London which is nice, so we're going to catch the train
[09:15] <humphreybc> I think I'm rooming with him too
[09:15] <popey> plane from london to..?
[09:15] <humphreybc> ah yes, kids, of course
[09:15] <humphreybc> brussels
[09:15] <popey> ah, and train from there
[09:16] <humphreybc> yeah
[09:16] <humphreybc> it's like 9 euro and a few minutes walk to train, opposed to like 50 euro for a taxi
[09:16] <humphreybc> or so the wiki reckons :P
[09:17] <vish> popey: thanks :)
[09:19] <vish> humphreybc: i was actually thinking of using the train too.. would be nice to have a look around ;)
[09:19] <humphreybc> yeah
[09:20] <humphreybc> absolutely
[09:20] <humphreybc> is anyone keen to go and have a look at the musical instruments museum?
[09:20] <humphreybc> Martin and I might go along on Saturday
[09:20] <humphreybc> we go out for dinner each night, right popey?
[09:23] <dutchie> where is the uds?#
[09:23] <humphreybc> http://www.dolce-la-hulpe-brussels-hotel.com/
[09:24] <dutchie> so in brussels
[09:24] <humphreybc> yea
[09:24] <humphreybc> what were you in Brussels for recently dutchie?
[09:24] <dutchie> never actually been to brussels
[09:24] <dutchie> i spent 4 days rowing in gent
[09:24] <humphreybc> ah, rowing in belgium. gotcha
[09:25] <humphreybc> I can't wait to see some old architecture
[09:25] <humphreybc> NZ is a really new country (<200 years old) so we don't have a lot of grand old buildings down here
[09:25] <dutchie> sounds distinctly usanian, that
[09:25] <popey> humphreybc: not always
[09:25] <popey> there are a few events organised
[09:25] <popey> but often it's just people get together and say 'lets go out'
[09:25] <popey> one of the problems is the number of people
[09:25] <humphreybc> oh nice, such as? I know there is stuff on the friday like the all stars (which i'm hopefully going to be playing drums for)
[09:25] <popey> if everyone goes out together we'll never find a restaurant big enough
[09:26] <humphreybc> this is cool: http://www.wmagazine.com/images/travel/2008/11/trar_brussels_02.jpg
[09:26] <popey> in seville we went to a castle/museum
[09:26] <popey> in SFO we went to the computer history museum
[09:26] <humphreybc> where were the last 6 UDS'?
[09:27] <popey> sevilla, boston, barcelona, texas, san francisco, prague
[09:27] <popey> not in that order
[09:27] <humphreybc> Prague would have been cool
[09:27] <dutchie> prague's nice
[09:27] <humphreybc> so where's UDS-N going to be... USA...
[09:27] <popey> it usually alternates between europe and usa, yes
[09:28] <humphreybc> One in Canada would be neat
[09:28] <popey> so the order of those above was sevilla, boston, prague, san francisco, barcelona, texas
[09:28] <humphreybc> neat
[09:29] <humphreybc> your pick for UDS-N?
[09:29] <dutchie> worcester
[09:29] <humphreybc> hahahahahaha
[09:29] <popey> it will already be at least pencilled in
[09:29] <humphreybc> yeah i'd imagine they'd book a bit in advance
[09:29] <dutchie> actually, by then I'll probably be at uni
[09:29] <popey> finding a decent venue for it is hard
[09:29] <humphreybc> Montana?
[09:29] <nisshh> hey all
[09:29] <nisshh> im back
[09:30] <humphreybc> I was looking at the Dolce chain of hotels before, pretty amazing
[09:30] <popey> the canonical IS guys go in and take over the internet access, replacing all their access points with ubuntu ones
[09:30] <humphreybc> http://www.dolce.com/portfolio/portfolio.asp?LangID=1
[09:30] <popey> so we get flooded wifi access
[09:30] <humphreybc> oh really? nice. "Ubuntu ones" are special ones that can handle a tonne of connections?
[09:30] <humphreybc> hey nisshh back from your holiday!
[09:30] <popey> well, just well managed ones :)
[09:31] <humphreybc> haha nice
[09:31]  * dutchie is reminded of the oggcamp wifi
[09:31] <popey> and yes, they can cope with 200 odd people in one room
[09:31] <humphreybc> because the place is booked for a week, right
[09:31] <humphreybc> two weeks*
[09:31] <nisshh> humphreybc: yay!
[09:31] <dutchie> "there are two access points. one is the hotel's, which is rubbish. the other is this phone..."
[09:31] <humphreybc> dutchie: lol
[09:31] <popey> yeah, my nokia n82 :)
[09:31] <popey> running joikuspot
[09:31] <humphreybc> haha, so dutchie and popey, you've met?
[09:32] <popey> ya
[09:32] <humphreybc> nice
[09:32] <nisshh> cool
[09:32] <humphreybc> (they both live in the UK, unlike us nisshh) :P
[09:32] <popey> i have met 5 people in this channel
[09:32] <nisshh> humphreybc: hows the manual coming?
[09:32] <humphreybc> cool, who?
[09:32] <nisshh> hehe
[09:32] <nisshh> not me
[09:33] <popey> dave, dutchie, issy, jussi, pleia
[09:33] <humphreybc> nisshh: have a look for yourself :P not a lot has changed since the freeze, just working on translations
[09:33] <humphreybc> neat
[09:33]  * dutchie got 4 out of 5
[09:33] <popey> issy lives about 1 mile from me
[09:33] <popey> small world :)
[09:33] <humphreybc> there is only one other person in NZ going to UDS
[09:33] <humphreybc> a Canonical employee from Auckland, I believe
[09:33] <nisshh> poms are strange :)
[09:33]  * dutchie and popey have a nice long car journey to bond in soon :)
[09:34] <humphreybc> Tim (thum per) was going to go but I don't think he is now
[09:34] <humphreybc> the only other person I've met in person through Ubuntu is Tim, who lives in Dunedin
[09:34] <humphreybc> dutchie: you guys going someplace?
[09:34] <dutchie> oggcamp 10
[09:34] <humphreybc> oh neat
[09:34] <humphreybc> when's that?
[09:34] <nisshh> i would go to oggcamp if i lived in the UK
[09:34] <dutchie> weekend of may 1st
[09:35] <humphreybc> nisshh: heh, same here
[09:35]  * humphreybc probably should have gone to LCA when it was in Wellington
[09:35] <popey> ooo dutchie that reminds me!
[09:35] <popey> dutchie: do you have a laptop with optical drive?
[09:35] <dutchie> maybe
[09:35] <dutchie> it's not in a very good way
[09:35] <popey> we're going to spend the journey burning Lucid CDs :)
[09:35] <dutchie> wonderful
[09:36] <humphreybc> hahahaha! how long's the car trip?
[09:36] <popey> Al has an inverter in his car so we can keep laptops charged, and burn a load of CDs
[09:36] <dutchie> my psu exploded
[09:36] <popey> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=FQ-yDgMdlkX0_yk7diSEwip0SDGqNq3it-vKNA%3BFdn7LgMd0o_S_ym3YHBkit96SDEBbhc_bwTcQg&q=gu14+to+liverpool&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=21.771205,29.663086&ie=UTF8&z=8&saddr=gu14&daddr=liverpool
[09:36] <popey> 4 hours
[09:36] <humphreybc> that's not too bad
[09:36] <humphreybc> oh nice it's in Liverpool
[09:36] <dutchie> might be a bit longer going via worcester
[09:37] <humphreybc> so popey, you live in Farnborough?
[09:37] <popey> ya
[09:37] <humphreybc> great, ever been to the Farnborough Air Show?
[09:37] <popey> yes
[09:37]  * humphreybc is jealous
[09:37] <popey> dont often need to given they fly over my hosue
[09:37] <popey> house*
[09:37]  * humphreybc is even more jealous
[09:38] <humphreybc> wow, Ivanka commutes from Brighton each day. that's ages away.
[09:38] <popey> nah
[09:38] <popey> direct line from brighton to victoria
[09:38] <popey> not bad
[09:38] <humphreybc> okay
[09:41] <nisshh> brb
[09:44] <humphreybc> popey: I see you're on the same train as Alan Bell, that'll be good
[09:46] <humphreybc> did anyone look at my proposals for the social media buttons on our site?
[09:46] <popey> yes
[09:46] <humphreybc> top, or left?
[09:46] <popey> er, train
[09:46] <humphreybc> i mean
[09:46] <humphreybc> right
[09:46] <humphreybc> oh
[09:46] <humphreybc> hahaha
[09:46] <humphreybc> what a hilarious misunderstanding
[09:46] <popey> http://carfax.org.uk/node/73
[09:47] <popey> Alan Bell on the left, Me on the right, Alan Lord in the middle
[09:47] <humphreybc> the 3 alans?
[09:47] <humphreybc> like the three stooges haha
[09:47] <popey> :D
[09:47] <dutchie> http://thealans.com
[09:47] <humphreybc> oh for the love of
[09:47] <ubuntujenkins> we discussed it and couldn't decide what to make them look like, I also commented that the website looks realy clean and it would clutter it. We could have a more info page with them on (  humphreybc )
[09:48] <humphreybc> hmm. I want the social buttons to be available across all pages
[09:48] <humphreybc> Alan and open source go hand in hand, obviously
[09:48] <ubuntujenkins> thorwill pointed out that with out writing facebook wiki irc on icons it would be hard for people to work out what they were
[09:49] <humphreybc> we're not going to have a link to irc or the wiki
[09:49] <humphreybc> just facebook, twitter, the planet and ubuntu.com
[09:49] <humphreybc> facebook and twitter are fairly obvious
[09:49] <humphreybc> you're right
[09:49] <ubuntujenkins> that was in the list mentioned yesterday by daker
[09:50] <humphreybc> but i don't want to clutter it even more with words
[09:50] <humphreybc> yeah i changed my mind :P
[09:50] <ubuntujenkins> the list here http://ubuntu-manual.org/ is fine really
[09:50] <humphreybc> yeah but that page is disappearing soon
[09:50] <ubuntujenkins> move it to get involved?
[09:50] <humphreybc> maybe but i kinda want even regular people to know about our social feeds
[09:51] <humphreybc> cos then they can see updates when we release new products and languages
[09:51] <ubuntujenkins> true, we will find a home for it
[09:51] <humphreybc> heh
[09:51] <humphreybc> we shall
[09:52] <humphreybc> what do I want from the USA?
[09:52] <ubuntujenkins> have we got/ can we do an ubuntu-manual release mailing list? people could sign up to it and we only send an e-mail wehn a release is doen?
[09:52] <humphreybc> that's a grand idea
[09:53] <humphreybc> we could just do a thing where they punch in their email address and choose a language, then they only get emailed when their language is released
[09:53] <humphreybc> and for new product releases we could email all languages
[09:53] <humphreybc> but a release ML could work equally as well
[09:54] <ubuntujenkins> yep, anyu of those would work, I like the language selection as that way we reduce the trash people don't want
[10:03] <humphreybc> yup
[10:03] <humphreybc> hey does anyone know if Qantas international flights have powerpoints in economy class?
[10:04] <ubuntujenkins> and it makes all the difference?
[10:04] <nisshh> humphreybc: no idea but i know domestic flights dont
[10:04] <humphreybc> yeah, i could actually do some work on the plane then
[10:05] <nisshh> hey, anyone here use a netbook with ubuntu on it?
[10:05] <ubuntujenkins> with all the noise from the screeming babies
[10:05] <nisshh> im looking at buying one
[10:05] <humphreybc> http://danwarne.com/qantas-a380-flying-economy/
[10:05] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: lol
[10:06] <humphreybc> I'm on the A380 on the way over
[10:06] <humphreybc> looks like i'll have to pickup an aussie power adapter
[10:07] <humphreybc> hey, great
[10:07] <humphreybc> they have internet
[10:07] <humphreybc> i'll be able to talk to you guys while i'm on the plane haha
[10:08] <nisshh> humphreybc: do you want me to show you how to use an aussie power point?
[10:08] <humphreybc> sure
[10:08] <nisshh> lol
[10:09] <ubuntujenkins> that plane looks cool
[10:09] <humphreybc> drive to the airport at sydney and drop me off an adapter if you can
[10:09] <nisshh> they are less complicated than american powerpoints
[10:09] <dutchie> I think nisshh may be suggesting the use of a hamme
[10:09] <dutchie> r
[10:09] <dutchie> stupid broken r key
[10:09] <nisshh> humphreybc: no way, thats 3000km's
[10:09] <humphreybc> and?
[10:09] <humphreybc> haha
[10:09] <nisshh> meh
[10:10] <nisshh> dutchie: rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :)
[10:10]  * dutchie copies one for future use
[10:10] <ubuntujenkins> quickshot meeting tonight anyone who isn't going to make it got any suggestions?
[10:10] <nisshh> dutchie: lol
[10:10] <humphreybc> win, looks like they're retro-fitted some 747's too with internet and power
[10:11] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: what time is the meeting?
[10:11] <ubuntujenkins> 8.00utc
[10:11] <ubuntujenkins> pm
[10:11] <humphreybc> I might be able to do lots of work on my 64 hours I spend in a plane...
[10:11] <humphreybc> that's almost 3 straight days of flying
[10:11] <humphreybc> (this is including the return trip)
[10:11] <dutchie> where in god's name are you flying to/from?
[10:11] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: hmmmm, nah thats a bit late for me
[10:12] <nisshh> UDS?
[10:12] <nisshh> im guessing
[10:12] <ubuntujenkins> thats, cool nisshh
[10:12] <humphreybc> Christchurch - Sydney - Singapore - London - Brussels - London - Bangkok - Sydney - Christchurch
[10:13] <nisshh> humphreybc: ooooooohhhh, cool trip!
[10:13] <humphreybc> i might watch a movie now
[10:14]  * humphreybc doesn't have uni tomorrow
[10:14] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: do you need me at the QS meeting?
[10:15] <ubuntujenkins> if you want to come you are welcome humphreybc, don't think it matters either way we are basically going over http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/f0VIdaLXWZ and checking we are happy with it. any other suggestions?
[10:15] <humphreybc> I think you've got it pretty well covered :P
[10:15] <humphreybc> top priority (after bug fixing) should be support for configuration so other projects can use the program
[10:15] <ubuntujenkins> the list isn't too long :P
[10:16] <ubuntujenkins> thats what we were planing
[10:16] <humphreybc> fantastic
[10:16] <humphreybc> apart from that, you guys seem to know what you're doing!
[10:16] <ubuntujenkins> are their any projects that want to use it ?
[10:16] <humphreybc> not currently, but later this year the Learning project will
[10:16] <humphreybc> and the docs team might be interested too
[10:16] <ubuntujenkins> learning project?
[10:16] <humphreybc> not sure about projects outside of Canonical
[10:17] <humphreybc> yeah, the learning guys, Martin Owens, Liz Krumbach etc... they're making classroom materials for Ubuntu, among other things
[10:17] <humphreybc> they're going to be using a lot of our content from Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04
[10:18] <ubuntujenkins> I think i have heard of that at some point.
[10:18] <humphreybc> how exactly that will work is going to be sorted out at UDS
[10:18] <ubuntujenkins> what uds sessions effect this project?
[10:18] <humphreybc> anyway, movie time!
[10:18] <humphreybc> quickshot or ump?
[10:18] <ubuntujenkins> both
[10:19] <humphreybc> just the ones I have registered, and one that Liz is registering soon I think
[10:19] <humphreybc> unfortunately not many docs team folk are going to UDS
[10:19] <ubuntujenkins> I may try and watch remotley when i can
[10:20] <humphreybc> sure, i'll let the team know when any sessions regarding UMP are coming up
[10:20] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[10:20] <humphreybc> right, ping me on Google Talk if anyone needs me
[10:20] <humphreybc> chow
[11:03] <c7p> hello
[11:03] <ubuntujenkins> hello c7p
[11:04] <c7p> the "\notecallout{The If you are not very familiar with advanced computing in Ubuntu you may wish to stick with the \application{Software Center}." is right as sentence/string or not ?
[11:05] <ubuntujenkins> I think the first "The" should be removed
[11:06] <c7p> so do I, should I report it as bug?
[11:06] <ubuntujenkins> please do, send my the bug number and i can confirm it.
[11:06] <c7p> ok
[11:09] <c7p> here you are
[11:09] <c7p> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/565843
[11:09] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 565843 in ubuntu-manual "string 1309 misprint" [Undecided,New]
[11:11] <ubuntujenkins> thanks c7p
[11:11] <c7p> np
[11:31] <c7p> g2g, see you
[12:01] <ubuntujenkins> hola daker
[12:01] <daker> hi ubuntujenkins
[12:02] <daker> humphreybc, ping
[12:17] <nisshh> daker: humphreybc is watching a movie, he said to ping him on google talk if you needed him
[12:17] <daker> oki
[12:18] <nisshh> brb
[12:22] <humphreybc> hey daker, what's up?
[12:22] <daker> the right side would be great
[12:22] <daker> so i need the icons
[12:23] <humphreybc> okay
[12:24] <humphreybc> you might be able to make a nicer Planet Ubuntu Manual icon
[12:25] <nisshh> humphreybc: is there anything important i should know about what was discussed at the meeting last night
[12:26] <humphreybc> not particularly
[12:26] <nisshh> so i presume the second edition is still happening?
[12:34] <humphreybc> daker: emailing them to you now
[12:34] <humphreybc> nisshh: ya
[12:35] <humphreybc> sent
[12:35] <nisshh> anyone seen clash of the titans yet?
[12:36] <daker> oki
[12:36] <nisshh> IMDB have it a 6.2
[12:36] <humphreybc> daker: feel free to try and make a nicer Planet Ubuntu Manual icon, my one is a bit crap
[12:36] <humphreybc> nisshh: looks like crap, tbh
[12:36] <humphreybc> oh wait
[12:36] <humphreybc> is that the one about South Africa?
[12:36] <nisshh> humphreybc: saw your awesome vids on your youtube channel! :)
[12:36] <humphreybc> (there's one coming out that's all Troy/300 like)
[12:36] <dutchie> no, that's invictus
[12:36] <dutchie> clash of the titans is the greeky one
[12:37] <humphreybc> oh ok
[12:37] <humphreybc> so yeah, that one looks shit :)
[12:37] <nisshh> apparently its all spec effects
[12:37] <humphreybc> nisshh: http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/about
[12:37] <nisshh> like TF2
[12:37] <humphreybc> it'll get to the stage where they'll just render the entire movie and not even need actors
[12:37] <dutchie> you've got those already
[12:38] <nisshh> humphreybc: i think thats called an animated movie ;)
[12:38] <humphreybc> yeah, but it'll be so good they'll just release it as a real movie (but it's actually animated)
[12:38] <humphreybc> so they'll trick you
[12:38] <dutchie> don't think they could do that
[12:39] <humphreybc> thorwi's off to do something better with his Sunday
[12:39] <nisshh> hehe
[12:39] <nisshh> anyone have a good movie suggestion?
[12:39] <nisshh> im really bored
[12:39] <humphreybc> I just watched 21, it was pretty good
[12:39] <humphreybc> capture screenshots?
[12:39] <humphreybc> while listening to music?
[12:40] <humphreybc> we still need quite a few
[12:40] <humphreybc> http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/
[12:40] <dutchie> I have far too much work to do to watch a film
[12:40] <dutchie> :(
[12:40] <humphreybc> you could clean up all the ones that are 95% +
[12:40] <dutchie> should probably have done some over the last 3 weeks
[12:41] <nisshh> humphreybc: thing is though, i have the latest lucid updates
[12:41] <nisshh> so my buttons and icons are all different
[12:42] <humphreybc> latest lucid updates are good
[12:42] <nisshh> ok, i might grab some screenshots then
[12:42] <nisshh> wow, we still need alot though dont we
[12:43] <humphreybc> yeah, target the languages that are almost finished
[12:43] <ubuntujenkins> yep, I am on top of the approving though, I do them as they come in now.
[12:43] <humphreybc> like, with one or two missing
[12:43]  * humphreybc might do some screenshots tomorrow
[12:43] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: you will need to install language packs, if you want i have a script to install all the ones we need
[12:44] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: how big are the language packs?
[12:45] <nisshh> itll porb take all night to download them on my connection
[12:45] <humphreybc> they're not that big
[12:45] <humphreybc> you could grab the QS live DVD
[12:45] <humphreybc> might be easier
[12:46] <nisshh> how big is the livedvd?
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> not sure to be honest, the spanish one is big, the live dvd is 720mb
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> ish
[12:46] <dutchie> couldn't you take those 20 meg off and get it down to a CD?
[12:46]  * nisshh groans
[12:46] <daker> nisshh, a good movie : Into the Wild
[12:46] <nisshh> itll take nearly 2 hours to download the live dvd
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> but you would be downloading stuff you don't need by getting the cd. just install the laguages you want to do screenshots ofr
[12:46] <humphreybc> Where the wild things are nisshh?
[12:46] <nisshh> daker: cheers im looking it up now
[12:47] <humphreybc> nisshh: how are you planning on watching the movie?
[12:47] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: we can't everything possible is missing from the cd, the langauge packs keep getting bigger
[12:47] <nisshh> humphreybc: torrent
[12:47] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: :(
[12:47] <humphreybc> nisshh: lol
[12:47] <humphreybc> well won't that take a while?
[12:48] <nisshh> yea, same amount of time as the livedvd
[12:48] <humphreybc> hahaha
[12:48] <nisshh> but thats not the point
[12:48] <humphreybc> watch some TV or play cards
[12:48] <nisshh> meh nothing good on tv atm
[12:48] <nisshh> and im home alone :)
[12:48] <nisshh> poor me
[12:49] <humphreybc> what time is it?
[12:49] <ubuntujenkins> 11.49 utc
[12:50] <humphreybc> do'h, i mean local time :P
[12:50] <ubuntujenkins> 12.49 gmt
[12:50] <dutchie> bst actually
[12:50] <humphreybc> gmt = utc, right?
[12:50] <ubuntujenkins> whats the differnce between gmt and bst dutchie ?
[12:50] <dutchie> to within a few tenths of a second
[12:50] <dutchie> bst is british summer time
[12:51] <ubuntujenkins> i see
[12:51] <dutchie> "strictly UTC is an atomic time scale which only approximates GMT with a tolerance of 0.9 second."
[12:53] <nisshh> dutchie you smartass :)
[12:53] <dutchie> :)
[12:56] <nisshh> into the wild looks kickass
[12:56] <daker> :)
[12:56] <daker> a very good movie
[12:56] <nisshh> i watched fantastic mr fox the other day
[12:57] <nisshh> was good too
[12:57] <nisshh> humphreybc: i could start off by doing the au and en screenshots
[12:57] <nisshh> wont have to download much for those
[13:03] <nisshh> downloading into the wild now
[13:03] <nisshh> 1:50 to go
[13:08] <humphreybc> nisshh: sounds good, go for it
[13:09] <nisshh> humphreybc: cool, just installed quickshot now
[13:10] <nisshh> humphreybc: oh yea, my desktop doesnt look like the default
[13:10] <nisshh> i have docky and different panels
[13:11] <nisshh> humphreybc: nvm i think itll be ok
[13:12] <nisshh> gotta logout taking some screenies
[13:16] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: i need some more language packs for quickshot, you said you had a script?
[13:16] <ubuntujenkins> yes let me paste bin it
[13:16] <nisshh> right
[13:17] <nisshh> i inly want certian ones though
[13:17] <nisshh> omg my spelling is crap right now
[13:18] <nisshh> humphreybc: so i was right about that contributors video! hehe
[13:19] <ubuntujenkins> well just do apt-get install language-pack-gnome-<shortlanguagecode>
[13:19] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: ok thanks
[13:20] <ubuntujenkins> short codes are here http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/
[13:27] <nisshh> doing el and en
[13:29] <nisshh> ok trying again
[13:29] <nisshh> brb
[13:37] <nisshh> ok, i dont actually know how to change language in ubuntu...
[13:38] <nisshh> silly question i know
[13:38] <dutchie> system -> admin -> language support
[13:38] <nisshh> dutchie: yea i got that far
[13:39] <nisshh> now what?
[13:39] <dutchie> doesn't quickshot do all that anyway?
[13:40] <nisshh> nope
[13:40] <dutchie> but it looks like you drag your preferred one up to the top
[13:40] <nisshh> hmmmm
[13:40] <dutchie> then maybe log out and in again
[13:41] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: can you walk me through taking a screenshot with quickshot in another language?
[13:41] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh log out, click the quickshot user in the bottom left you can choose the language
[13:41] <nisshh> ah got it
[13:42] <nisshh> then quickshot should automatically use that language?
[13:42] <ubuntujenkins> the program will be in english, but the rest of the desktop will be in that language and all othe programs
[13:42] <nisshh> ah ok well thats good, i only know english
[13:43] <nisshh> ok, third times the charm!
[13:56] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: took a screenie and uploaded it then had to hard reset because of a bug in quickshot
[13:56] <ubuntujenkins> whats the bug?
[13:57] <nisshh> as soon as i acidentally locked the screen and went to re enter my password my computer did a MASSIVE shit and i was forced into doing a hard reset
[13:58] <ubuntujenkins> right, not sure how quickshot could have a caused that
[13:58] <nisshh> but apart from that quickshot is awesome
[13:59] <nisshh> i figured it must have been quickshot since my comp has never done that before
[13:59] <ubuntujenkins> I would be interested if you can create the bug again. what graphics are you using? there are afew x bugs around in lucid still
[13:59] <nisshh> intel inbuilt graphics
[14:00] <nisshh> and i just locked and unlocked my screen just then with no difficulty
[14:00] <ubuntujenkins> hmm, what did you see when your computer went mad?
[14:00] <ubuntujenkins> brb
[14:00] <nisshh> well i seemed to hang between locking and unlocking
[14:00] <nisshh> it sorry
[14:01] <nisshh> then when i restarted my comp it hung at boot and the quickshot dialog flickered on and off the screen indefinitely and thats when i did the hard reset
[14:04] <nisshh> was really strange
[14:06] <ubuntujenkins> inerstingly my latop went to sleep when i unlocked it but i can't think how quickshot could have acaused
[14:06] <ubuntujenkins>  it
[14:07] <nisshh> neither can i
[14:07] <nisshh> anyway have you seen the screenshot i uploaded?
[14:08] <ubuntujenkins> yep looks good to me
[14:08] <nisshh> cool
[14:28] <daker> humphreybc, !!!
[14:28] <daker> ubuntujenkins, give a look http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/
[14:47] <ubuntujenkins> daker: the new icons don't look to bad
[15:32] <thorwil> humphreybc: so it will be just the 3 links, facebook, twitter and um-planet on the side?
[15:36] <thorwil> daker: ^
[15:36] <daker> probably
[15:37] <daker> we can add more if you want
[15:37] <thorwil> daker: the facebook and twitter buttons are official versions?
[15:37] <daker> ask humphreybc
[15:38] <thorwil> daker: i still wouldn't know how to create good icons for anything else, but i happen to have an idea for Planet worth trying
[15:39] <ubuntujenkins> daker: the buttons look a bit out on their own on a large screen http://imagebin.org/93508
[15:40] <daker> haha
[15:41] <thorwil> they should stay close to the right edge of the "page"
[15:43] <nisshh> hey, can someone help me with gwibber?
[15:44] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: fire away and i tiwll try
[15:44] <ubuntujenkins> *will
[15:44] <nisshh> i cant seem to post stuff to identi.ca
[15:45] <nisshh> iv registered on the site
[15:45] <nisshh> and added my account to gwibber
[15:45] <nisshh> and recieved a message from the welcome bot
[15:45] <nisshh> so a ssume everything is working ok
[15:45] <nisshh> assume*
[15:46] <dutchie> is it set up to be sending?
[15:46] <nisshh> yes
[15:46] <dutchie> any useful output on the terminal?
[15:46] <nisshh> on the terminal??
[15:46] <nisshh> im running it from the menu
[15:47] <dutchie> run gwibber in a terminal to see the output
[15:47] <ubuntujenkins> sorry i don't use identica, try running from the termial an see what it says
[15:47] <nisshh> ok hang on
[15:48] <nisshh> nope nothing useful from the terminal
[15:48] <dutchie> hrm
[15:49] <nisshh> does anyone else here use gwibber with identica?
[15:54] <humphreybc> daker: the icons move when you resize the window
[15:55] <humphreybc> they should be fixed position relative to the border of the content box
[15:55] <daker> i see :)
[15:55] <humphreybc> rather than relative to the window frame :)
[15:55] <humphreybc> other than that, looking good!
[15:55]  * humphreybc is off to bed now after watching 4 episodes of Firefly, good show
[15:55] <nisshh> i think i found the problem
[15:56] <humphreybc> night all
[15:56] <nisshh> i havent vaidated my email yet lol
[15:56] <nisshh> night humphreybc
[16:32] <daker> ubuntujenkins, !!
[16:32] <daker> try now
[16:34] <ubuntujenkins> thats better daker but if the window is smaller than the width of the white section you don't see them
[16:34] <ubuntujenkins> not sure you did before
[16:35] <daker> i can't change resolution in karmic (the hight's one is 1024x768 )
[16:36] <ubuntujenkins> http://imagebin.org/93515 the window is the width of the white bit but there is no sideways scroll bar so i don't see the buttons
[16:37] <thorwil> daker: which of the images in team-images/banner is in use?
[16:38] <daker> i don't have the main branch right now
[16:38] <daker> i am working on lp:ubuntu-manual-website
[16:39] <daker> so i can't give an answer
[16:39] <daker> ubuntujenkins, which resolution are you using
[16:39] <daker> ?
[16:39] <thorwil> daker: i need to replace all occurrences of the logo, as one of the stripes has the wrong color
[16:40] <daker> just do it and i'll update the one in the website
[16:40] <ubuntujenkins> i wasn't using a particular resolution i was just playing with the window width, not sure it matters too much
[16:43] <thorwil> daker: i removed the banner folder, as those were basically duplicates. the good stuff is in team-images/logos now (rev 796)
[16:43] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/796 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 796
[16:46] <daker> oki
[16:46]  * thorwil still can't believe he managed to overlook such a glaring mistake
[16:47] <daker> .g ubuntu-manual
[16:47] <DAker-BOTO> daker: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[16:47] <daker> fu***
[16:48] <daker> DAker-BOTO: "shut up"?
[16:48] <DAker-BOTO> daker: Language guessing failed, so try suggesting one!
[16:49] <daker> .wik RMS
[16:49] <DAker-BOTO> "Rate-monotonic scheduling, a scheduling technique in operating systems" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS
[16:49] <daker> Fu**** Bot
[16:51] <daker> .t [gmt]
[16:51] <DAker-BOTO> daker: Sorry, I don't know about the '[gmt]' timezone.
[16:51] <daker> .t [+1]
[16:51] <DAker-BOTO> daker: Sorry, I don't know about the '[+1]' timezone.
[16:54] <daker> .part #ubuntu-manual
[16:55] <ubuntujenkins> daker: what is the Daker--BOTO?
[16:55] <daker> my Bot
[16:55] <daker> a python bot
[16:55] <ubuntujenkins> what do you have a personal bot for?
[16:56] <daker> just i want to try this http://inamidst.com/phenny/
[16:57] <ubuntujenkins> interesting fair enough
[16:58] <daker> .tock
[16:58] <DAker-BOTO> "Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:58:57 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
[16:59] <daker> .val http://test.ubuntu-manual.org
[16:59] <DAker-BOTO> daker: http://test.ubuntu-manual.org is Invalid (63 errors)
[16:59] <dutchie> that makes 5 bots in here :)
[17:00] <daker> 5 o.O
[17:00] <thorwil> dutchie: that's what you think ;)
[17:00] <dutchie> heh
[17:00] <daker> i see just 3 + DAker-BOTO
[17:01] <dutchie> DAker-BOTO, manualbot, MootBot, ubuntujenkins
[17:01] <dutchie> err, ubuntulog
[17:01] <daker> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[17:01]  * dutchie can't count
[17:01] <ubuntujenkins> know command
[17:01] <ubuntujenkins> *unknown
[17:02]  * ubuntujenkins failed
[17:02] <daker> .tell ubuntujenkins you are a BOT
[17:02] <daker> tell ubuntujenkins you are a BOT
[17:02] <daker> :p
[17:03] <daker> DAker-BOTO,  doesn't want to obey
[17:07] <daker> .dict cool
[17:07] <DAker-BOTO> cool -  1. fairly cold, 2. staying calm
[17:10] <daker> pls someone should update the website's pot file pls
[17:10] <daker> i don't have the main branch
[17:12] <daker> the new file is located in lp:ubuntu-manual-website/ => main/includes/languages/ubu_man_website_translations.pot
[17:12] <daker> and update the old one in ubuntu manual branch
[17:13] <daker> website/daker-test/includes/languages/ubu_man_website_translations.pot
[17:15] <thorwil> daker: what do you think of http://www.foopics.com/showfull/7e18bbf2309b4420744137273c901001 ?
[17:17] <daker> icon of UM planet ?
[17:17] <thorwil> yes
[17:17] <daker> great
[17:17] <thorwil> cool :)
[17:20] <daker> thorwil, the icons are 32x32
[17:20] <thorwil> daker: this one is too, i just added background for context
[17:20] <daker> oki
[17:22] <thorwil> daker: should i add it to the main branch somewhere?
[17:22] <daker> mail it to me
[17:22] <daker><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:22] <thorwil> ok
[17:25] <thorwil> done
[17:25] <daker> great
[17:37] <daker> dutchie, manualbot is your Bot ?
[17:40] <dutchie> yes
[17:40] <ubuntujenkins> hello manualbot
[17:40] <ubuntujenkins> does manualbot work?
[17:40] <ubuntujenkins> !hello
[17:40] <manualbot> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay!
[17:40] <ubuntujenkins> !hello | manualbot
[17:40] <manualbot> manualbot: please see above
[17:41] <ubuntujenkins> !commands | manualbot
[17:41] <manualbot> manualbot: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[17:41] <ubuntujenkins> !lucid
[17:41] <manualbot> Lucid Lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 2010 - Lucid is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1
[17:41] <ubuntujenkins> @ manualbot
[17:41] <manualbot> ubuntujenkins: Error: "manualbot" is not a valid command.
[17:41] <ubuntujenkins> yey it moaned :-)
[17:42] <ubuntujenkins> !quickshot
[17:42] <manualbot> Factoid 'quickshot' not found
[17:42] <ubuntujenkins> !manual
[17:42] <manualbot> Factoid 'manual' not found
[17:42] <daker> hhhhhhhhhh
[17:42] <ubuntujenkins> !spam
[17:42] <manualbot> Factoid 'spam' not found
[17:43] <daker> !fu***
[17:43] <manualbot> Factoid 'fu***' not found
[17:43] <daker> hhhhhhhh stupid bot
[17:43]  * ubuntujenkins to day is anoy the bot day :-)
[17:44] <daker> if you could add a support to ubuntu-manual-website too
[17:54] <daker> good news
[17:55] <daker> our pageranks is 4
[17:55] <daker> http://www.pagerank.fr/rapport-indexation.fr.html?uri=ubuntu-manual.org/
[17:55] <daker> in less than 3 weeks i think
[18:55] <daker> hey ubuntujenkins
[18:55] <daker> do you know that game Machinarium.net ?
[20:08] <daker> godbyk, !!!!
[20:08] <godbyk> Hey, daker. What's up?
[20:08] <godbyk> I'm just reading the logs here.
 the new file is located in lp:ubuntu-manual-website/ => main/includes/languages/ubu_man_website_translations.pot
 and update the old one in ubuntu manual branch
 website/daker-test/includes/languages/ubu_man_website_translations.pot
[20:09] <godbyk> Right.
[20:10] <godbyk> What'd I'd prefer to do is keep the pot in the website branch, if possible. (So we're not having to copy files back and forth all the time.) And then we can ditch the website stuff in the manual branch soon.
[20:12] <dutchie> +1
[20:14] <daker> the problem is if i keep the pot in the website branch, we have to retranslate all the strings
[20:14] <dutchie> not if you move the po files over too
[20:15] <dutchie> you can tell launchpad to reimport them
[20:15] <daker> dutchie, how ?
[20:16] <dutchie> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/trunk/+translations-settings # switch it to "Import template and translation files"
[20:18] <godbyk> daker: What'd I'd prefer to do is keep the pot in the website branch, if possible. (So we're not having to copy files back and forth all the time.) And then we can ditch the website stuff in the manual branch soon.
[20:18] <godbyk> (frakking internet connection!)
[20:19] <daker> i am trying right now dutchie
[20:19] <daker> godbyk, oki
[20:19] <godbyk> What'd I miss while I was offline? :)
[20:20] <dutchie> 20:14:20 < daker> the problem is if i keep the pot in the website branch, we have to retranslate all the strings
[20:20] <dutchie> 20:14:59 < dutchie> not if you move the po files over too
[20:20] <dutchie> 20:15:06 < dutchie> you can tell launchpad to reimport them
[20:20] <dutchie> 20:15:28 < daker> dutchie, how ?
[20:20] <dutchie> 20:16:45 < dutchie> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/trunk/+translations-settings # switch it to  "Import template and translation files"
[20:23] <godbyk> also, launchpad will pull the existing translations over automatically
[20:23] <godbyk> it shares strings across projects
[20:27] <daker> the process will takes a few minutes ?
[20:27] <daker> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website
[20:37] <godbyk> daker: I set the permissions, translator group, and focused branch for you.
[20:37] <godbyk> daker: You may also want to email the ubuntu-manual mailing list to let the translators know that they should pop into https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website to translate the website stuff.
[20:38] <godbyk> If they've translated the same string before, it should appear as a suggestion automatically.
[20:38] <daker> yes i'll do
[20:38] <daker> that's all ?
[20:42] <godbyk> daker: I think so, but dutchie's the translation expert. :)
[20:43] <dutchie> yeah, that's all
[20:43] <daker> oki
[20:52] <godbyk> [FML]
[20:53] <dutchie> heh
[20:55] <godbyk> I never realized how much time I spend on the Internet until it goes down. :)
[20:55] <godbyk> on the plus side, I've been making a huge dent in my 'to read' pile of books.
[20:56] <ubuntujenkins> back at the computer just in time for the meeting,
[20:56] <ubuntujenkins> daker: I have not heard of that game
[20:58] <ubuntujenkins> Quickshot meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in two minutes
[20:58] <daker> you should
[20:58] <daker> brb
[21:47] <komsas> Hello, I'm thinking that it would be nice if tranlators teams have space to write contacts and other related stuff with theirnational team http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/translators. What do you think about this idea? It can be like string in web transaltions.
[21:48] <godbyk> komsas: Can you give me an example?  (We're definitely looking for ways to improve the translation process!)
[21:50] <komsas> mm.. there can be links, like our wiki page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/lithuanian), contacts (Irc, email), team coordinator contacts and so on.
[21:51] <godbyk> komsas: Oh, I see.  So have a bit of info for each person/team that's helping to translate the manual?
[21:55] <komsas> godbyk: yee, some info about translators team and how to contact with them, because if you want to translate and you are new in translations (like Ubuntu), before translating you must find more info, like useful dictionaries, latex tags, and other rules.
[21:56] <godbyk> komsas: I agree.  I'll see what we can come up with.
[21:57] <godbyk> komsas: Would you jot down this idea on the pad here? http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMPtranslations
[21:57] <godbyk> We're making a list. :)
[21:57] <komsas> godbyk: I can try :)
[21:57] <godbyk> thanks!
[21:57] <komsas> no problem
[21:57] <godbyk> feel free to note anything else we should look into.
[21:58] <godbyk> right now the translation stuff is harder than I want it to be. :)
[22:02] <komsas> godbyk: yee, our team now in deep deep depression, we can't be in time, but in other 1-2 month we will finish it.
[22:03] <godbyk> komsas: I understand.  Have you see the schedule for the next release?  We tried to allocate more time for the translators.
[22:03] <komsas> godbyk: no, I didn't see it.
[22:05] <godbyk> Let me find it for you.
[22:05] <komsas> yee, in this release we had to little time, when our team little compared with spain, germany and so on.
[22:06] <godbyk> komsas: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/MaiZTb4Fjd
[22:07] <dutchie> komsas: don't worry, you can carry on translating and the lt version will just come out a bit later
[22:07] <godbyk> komsas: So the translators should have a full two months to work on translating the Maverick edition.
[22:07] <komsas> nice
[22:07] <godbyk> Right. We'll be releasing the translated versions as they're finished.
[22:16] <komsas> godbyk: I did note in the pad. I'm going take bed, bye
[22:16] <godbyk> Okay, thanks. G'night, komsas.
[22:59] <ubuntujenkins> i am off night all o/


[07:30] <knome> jphilips, we're running wordpress, so yes, that's kind of a minimum requirement if you want to work with the internals... though we have many different codebases still
[07:30] <knome> jphilips, for what exactly are you shouting out in social media?
[07:31] <JackFrost> That thing that's supposed to track things!
[07:31] <knome> it can still do that, but it needs manual setup
[07:31] <knome> that's definitely non-wordpress php code
[08:45] <jphilips> knome: for potential contributors to join the team for the website
[08:46] <jphilips> knome: reminder to add 'the in the press' stuff i added to the document. added a few for 20.04 as well.
[08:46] <jphilips> here's the link again https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qenHqnop4DWne2DsX5nPgaN7xdJLzL6etb0gfBGL6fk/edit#heading=h.pwohkmbiulx1
[08:47] <knome> jphilips, ...to work on what? :)
[08:48] <jphilips> whatever the team needs. maybe a redesign
[08:49] <knome> i'm currently working on porting the design (not 1:1) to support gutenberg, which will allow for more flexibility in terms of page design
[08:49] <knome> so that's not really required atm
[08:51] <jphilips> so you dont need any help with the website presently?
[08:52] <knome> the team will eventually likely need a website lead, but to become a team leader, you will have to make sustained contributions to the project first
[08:53] <knome> the leadership positions are not filled in a whim, just because there isn't anybody to run a team
[08:53] <knome> i understand some contributors might be turned off by this, but the reasoning behind this is to keep a certain level of stability
[08:54] <knome> if we asked people to do, say, a redesign for us, i'm sure many people would say "yes, i will do it!"
[08:55] <knome> of which many would do some plans but not follow them through and expect the team to take maintain responsibility
[08:55] <knome> i mean, the team to execute their plans
[08:55] <knome> or simply disappear
[08:56] <knome> some more might follow through with the redesign, but not do it completely, leaving the team again with unfinished work and/or maintaining burden
[08:56] <jphilips> well in order for someone to eventually become a team lead, we have to get them to start doing sustained contributions
[08:57] <jphilips> for that we have to tell people that they can do some work with the team
[08:57] <knome> yes,
[08:58] <knome> but a website redesign isn't a realistic first task
[08:58] <knome> it's a lot of work and again, we don't only want somebody to do the redesign and leave the team with it, we'd highly prefer if we knew the person would be there to maintain stuff
[08:59] <jphilips> okay, was just giving the website design as a potential idea, i'll leave it to you to delegate the tasks when they arrive :D
[08:59] <jphilips> would any of those task require a knowledge of wordpress
[09:00] <knome> a good starting point for somebody who would like to be involved with the website, ultimately including a potential redesign, would be to start with tinkering with the content
[09:00] <knome> and do small updates on the layouts, looks
[09:00] <knome> this will be easier after the gutenberg rewrite
[09:00] <knome> knowledge in wordpress is highly recommended, but not a hard requirement
[09:01] <knome> knowledge with the wordpress internals (php level) would be even greater, but not a hard requirement either
[09:02] <knome> anyway, i have a work-related meeting, bbabl
[09:17] <jphilips> knome: i'm ready to start tinkering with the content to add in the changes we agreed upon in the various contribution pages
[13:03] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin 2.4.3 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin-2-4-3-released-tp57722.html (by Graeme Gott)


[02:50] <mup> Bug #1425340 changed: Lack of a released hwe-t image for precise prevents Adaptec RAID controller from working in precise <oil> <maas-images:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425340>
[02:50] <mup> Bug #1453726 changed: MAAS error failed [3/7] (00-maas-03-install-lldpd, 99-maas-01-wait-for-lldpd, 99-maas-02-capture-lldp) <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453726>
[02:50] <mup> Bug #1453960 changed: maas 1.8, cannot select ip address of node <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453960>
[02:50] <mup> Bug #1454024 was opened: Able to select a hardware enablement kernel for an image that doesn't support that kernel <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454024>
[08:45] <mup> Bug #1454132 was opened: 1.8b4 Lacking user feedback in action panel <ui> <ux> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454132>
[16:02] <elurkki> Looking Maas here a bit. Is the normal HP iLO supported in addition with those "Moonshot" ones introduced in the Power type ? Thanks
[16:03] <elurkki> Using old HP DL360 G5 hardware, what would be preferred power type if the iLO is not supported ? T
[17:41] <mup> Bug #1454355 was opened: 1.8b4 add extra NIC styling <ui> <MAAS:New for ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454355>
[23:39] <mup> Bug #1430025 was opened: maas uninstallable on vivid <amd64> <apport-bug> <ec2-images> <juju-net> <vivid> <MAAS:Confirmed> <maas (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1430025>
[23:51] <mup> Bug #1430025 changed: maas uninstallable on vivid <amd64> <apport-bug> <ec2-images> <juju-net> <vivid> <MAAS:Confirmed> <maas (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1430025>
[23:57] <mup> Bug #1430025 was opened: maas uninstallable on vivid <amd64> <apport-bug> <ec2-images> <juju-net> <vivid> <MAAS:Confirmed> <maas (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1430025>


[02:58] <user04> is xfce the fastest desktop environment?
[10:06] <BloqueNegro> the fastest?
[10:06] <BloqueNegro> dont know
[10:06] <BloqueNegro> the cleanest? yes!
[11:17] <gnrp> Depends on what you count as a desktop environment... lxde is definitely "faster" (by whatever measure), but I wouldn't really call it a DE
[15:33] <xubuntu43w> Morning! The torrent download links on this page are broken: https://xubuntu.org/download
[15:33] <xubuntu43w> They point to 18.04.1 but the site only contains 18.04.2
[15:33] <xubuntu43w> Is there a better place to report this than here?
[15:45] <gnrp> xubuntu43w: Yes, maybe place a bug in the tracker
[15:45] <gnrp> this one here is rather for general questions that people from the community can reply to
[15:46] <gnrp> there is also another channel, #xubuntu-devel (also freenode), where more likely somebody might have influence
[15:50] <c5e3> i've got a weird problem; i just installed a new nvme ssd and restored a backup from the nvme ssd. the system is usable for some minutes and all of a sudden active programs don't respond to key presses or mouse clicks anymore. not even the shut down menu pops up by pressing the power button. however, i can still move the mouse and highlight things.
[15:51] <c5e3> since it is a dualboot system, i also tried using windows, where the problem doesn't appear
[15:51] <c5e3> syslog doesn't show any errors
[15:52] <c5e3> *backup from the old nvme ssd
[15:52] <xubuntu43w> Thanks gnrp, I posted in #xubuntu-devel as well
[15:54] <c5e3> i just tried copying files to the machine with scp and when the problem occurs, the transfer rate drops to 0
[16:04] <gnrp> c5e3: does it happen regardless of activity?
[16:04] <c5e3> gnrp: yes
[16:04] <gnrp> c5e3: What you could do as an easy way of checking what is wrong, go to a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and wait till the problem occurs. Maybe you get a message then
[16:05] <c5e3> gnrp: i will try that! ctrl+alt+Fx btw doesn't work after the problem occuring
[16:06] <gnrp> yes, do it before, so when a kernel panic occurs, you will see
[16:06] <gnrp> otherwise, I guess magic sysrq doesn't work? I forgot, but the only mouse is working is usually a panic, isn't it?
[16:08] <c5e3> gnrp: i tried the magic sysrq, but i am unsure, if it is even possible to type it on a thinkpad t480s, as i have to press Fn+S for sysrq
[16:08] <c5e3> i don't really understand what you mean with the second question
[16:10] <gnrp> I don't know myself. But this behavior (only mouse working) is a specific thing
[16:10] <gnrp> it depends on how you configured your system in BIOS. If you have the F buttons as the standard key, it is easy
[16:15] <c5e3> gnrp: i've been waiting for it to happy now on tty1, but the system is still usable....
[16:17] <gnrp> c5e3: Pity. :P
[16:17] <gnrp> maybe go on it via ssh and do some hard drive activity
[16:18] <c5e3> i will run fsck on the partition and report back after that
[16:18] <c5e3> yeah, i'll try that too
[16:22] <c5e3> gnrp: the old ssd had ICs only on one side and there is a thermal pad beyond it to disiappte heat to the mb, maybe it interferes with some capacitors on the new double sided ssd ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:29] <c5e3> gnrp: lol, i just noticed, that the ssd was flexing due to the thermal pad being too thick
[16:31] <gnrp> hmmmm ;)
[16:31] <gnrp> let's just hope you didn't do any permanent damage?
[16:32] <c5e3> gnrp: if so, amazon will replace the drive ;D
[16:34] <gnrp> lol
[16:39] <c5e3> gnrp: ok, the problem persists and not kernel panic on tty1
[16:41] <gnrp> but the ssd still flexes?
[16:41] <c5e3> gnrp: nope
[16:42] <c5e3> ah, now a message appeared
[16:44] <c5e3> gnrp: basically just errors, that tasks are blocked for more than 120 seconds
[16:47] <gnrp> so the system is still running?!
[16:47] <gnrp> or what kind of tasks? Processes?
[17:04] <c5e3> gnrp: i just can switch between ttys now, nothing more
[17:04] <c5e3> i can't even login on any tty
[17:04] <gnrp> what do you mean that tasks are blocked? You mean processes?
[17:05] <gnrp> you could also try to check dmesg in a loop or so
[17:05] <c5e3> dmesg doesn't show anything
[17:06] <c5e3> it prints something like "task xy is blocked for 120 seconds"
[17:06] <gnrp> what are these tasks?
[17:07] <gnrp> so you can still call dmesg?
[17:07] <c5e3> chromium, systemd, scheduler etc
[17:07] <c5e3> no, i can't
[17:07] <c5e3> basically all running tasks are shown
[17:08] <c5e3> i decided to get a replacement for the ssd anyway now
[17:09] <c5e3> i just run shred(1) over it, maybe i'll get an error there
[22:07] <xubuntu85w> i think i have found a bug in 18.04... what do i do ?
[22:08] <brainwash> !bugs
[22:08] <xubuntu85w> thanks :)
[22:09] <brainwash> feel free to describe the bug here. maybe we can assist you.
[22:11] <xubuntu85w> the problem is with sgt puzzle collection when I use the "app manager" and uninstall it ... bunch of thing start going wrong...xfce... thunar and other start to fail
[22:12] <xubuntu85w> tried to reproduce 3 time on tre different machine...same issue
[22:12] <xubuntu85w> im using xubuntu 18.04 beaver
[22:17] <xubuntu85w> Ok spent the day on this issue and I have just confirm, its only Xfce4 that needs to be reinstall to fix the problem.
[22:18] <brainwash> okay
[22:18] <brainwash> I assume that it does not only remove sgt puzzle collection, but also does some cleanup
[22:18] <brainwash> as in removing "unneeded" packages
[22:19] <xubuntu85w> I think so too.
[22:19] <JackFrost> GNOME software?  Is there any way to get a log from it as to what else it removes?
[22:20] <brainwash> could be this one bug 1783764
[22:20] <brainwash> well, similar to this one
[22:21] <xubuntu85w> it is prety close yes
[22:22] <xubuntu85w> im going to try with mailreader see if i get same result
[22:22] <brainwash> that one is a confirmed case though
[22:23] <brainwash> maybe check what running "sudo apt remove sgt-puzzles" does
[22:23] <brainwash> I cannot test it right now
[22:24] <xubuntu85w> ok
[22:32] <xubuntu85w> reinstalling xubuntu 18.04 fresh to test  :)
[22:34] <brainwash> reinstalling the package could have been enough, or testing in the live session
[22:38] <xubuntu85w> maybe... but i want to be sure... i still have 35 machine to do so.
[23:07] <xubuntu85w> OK, I got it all figure out (its the 1783764 bug ) as mention before. I was cliking too fast on the uninstall button whitch was not the sgt-puzzles button but the mail-client that got removed. causing this issue :https://launchpad.net/bugs/1783764
[23:08] <xubuntu85w> so if you do uninstall mail reader you will need to reinstall xfce4 to fix everything
[23:09] <xubuntu85w> well for me it worked anyway.
[23:12] <xubuntu85w> thanks for the help ;)