[19:53] <heinkel_111> Pato ^
[19:53] <Pato> sim
[19:55] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[20:01] <lovre> can i edit windows registry from linux (runnning a live ubuntu CD, to fix windows registry)
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> lovre: i think so, you can do it from recovery windows console too if you are wise
[20:03] <lovre> ActionParsnip: i see that there should be a reg command for registry editing, but when i login to command prompt from windows recovery, there is no such command, only the basic ones...
[20:04] <ActionParsnip> lovre: true but recovery console is very minimal by design, can you not boot to windows safe mode and edit there?
[20:07] <igor> hi, I wrote a simple program wich is suggested to operate with complex numbers, but during compilation I got:  " 'complex’ was not declared in this scope "(#include <complex> is present in the file).
[20:08] <lovre> ActionParsnip: there is no way i can load windows, not even in safe mode. I HATE windows.
[20:08] <giarca> Is that normale Kde left a lot of process like "kdeinit4: kio_file" ??
[20:08] <lovre> i need to do format and clean install, seems to be only solution for windows. sux
[20:08] <giarca> I have 13 on my ps xa
[20:09] <ActionParsnip> lovre: http://www.arsgeek.com/2008/02/27/use-your-ubuntu-partition-to-fix-a-corrupt-registry-on-a-windows-xp-partition/
[20:09] <ActionParsnip> giarca: can you pastebin the output of: ps -ef please
[20:10] <giarca> ok
[20:11] <ActionParsnip> lovre: not necessarily, you can boot the win cd and it will see the install, you can then select to repair the install
[20:12] <lovre> ActionParsnip: just a question before i look at that. I have loaded ubuntu live cd, and i want to mount the windows partition, at least to save data.  Is there a way i can mount it anyway?
[20:12] <LogicFan> i am confused with the project-neon ppa repo for kde4.2 vs. kubuntu-experimental
[20:12] <LogicFan> is kubuntu-experimental the more up to date repo?
[20:12] <giarca> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122542/
[20:13] <giarca> I see that process usually after done some file browsing with dolphin
[20:14] <ActionParsnip> lovre: you'l need to mount it with -o force then
[20:15] <elizabeth> hello again good afternoon 2 u all
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> giarca: i have only one, i'd kill them off one at a time then run the system a while to see what happens, you can always reboot
[20:16] <elizabeth> MagicKan good afternoon i am very sorry this mornig i had to leave unexpectadly
[20:16] <elizabeth> but if u pls can keep helping me to compile i am ready
[20:16] <giarca> ActionParsnip: thanks... I'll try later
[20:16] <giarca> now I need working machine :P
[20:16] <elizabeth> let me give you the sheet where i am at right now
[20:18] <elizabeth> here it is:  http://pastebin.com/m65cb0eaa
[20:18] <LogicFan> will installing kde-desktop pkg with PPA repo install packages for equivalents i already have for GNOME?  e.g. open office?
[20:18] <elizabeth> right now i am at line 4 and i just cant get trhough
[20:19] <ActionParsnip> LogicFan: no, just the kde if you install kubuntu-desktop it will give you a full kubuntu deskto p  suite of apps
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> elizabeth: wel are you 32bit or 64bit?
[20:20] <elizabeth> 32 bit
[20:20] <LogicFan> ActionParsnip, if i dont want the full-blown KDE 4.2 desktop suite of apps, can i just install kde pkg and it'll pull in 4.2 from PPA repo?
[20:21] <elizabeth> notebook compaq presario series v3000 model v3417la (wireless card not recognized by kubuntu)
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> elizabeth: then you need to download hybrid-portsrc.tar.gz and extract it, you were doing it earlier with something-kangaroo earlier
[20:21] <elizabeth> i got it
[20:22] <elizabeth> thats why i am stock on how to compile it Action
[20:22] <elizabeth> sorry i dont know much about this lenguage :(
[20:23] <elizabeth> Action i did download that hybrid-portsrc-x86_32-v5_10_27_14-tar-gez
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> LogicFan: then add the ppa repo and then run sudo apt-get install kdebase* kde-window-manager
[20:24] <elizabeth> thats the one i got then this morning Magic was guiding me to compile it
[20:24] <LogicFan> ActionParsnip, am i correct in assuming there is no kde meta pkg for 4.2 PPA repo?
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> elizabeth: thats fine, extract that and follow the guide
[20:24] <AlbaT> hi ppl
[20:24] <AlbaT> anyine here good with sound?
[20:25] <elizabeth> thats what i am saying i am stock at numer 4 line
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> LogicFan: not that i'm aware of. i use kde so as soon as i aded the repo and updated my system saw updates
[20:25] <AlbaT> lol sry anyone here good with setting up creative on ubuntu
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> elizabeth: open a konsole and get to where the folder is in the terminal (so if the file is on your desktop you need to type: cd Desktop    if its in the root of your home folder you are already there)
[20:26] <elizabeth> desktop
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> AlbaT: run lspci   one line will identify the card, you can websearch using that info. Creative support sucks sooo hard
[20:27] <elizabeth> ok now i am on cd desktop
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> elizabeth: then run: tar zxvf ./hybrid-portsrc-x86_32-v5_10_27_14-tar-gz
[20:28] <ActionParsnip> elizabeth: if you type tar zxvf ./hy  then press tab it will aoutocomplete for you
[20:28] <elizabeth> i got: tar: error is not recoverable: exiting now
[20:29] <elizabeth> error delayed from previous errors
[20:30] <lovre> ActionParsnip: when i run the last command on that link, "sudo ntfsfix /dev/hda1" i get this error: "Refusing to operate on read-write mounted device /dev/hda1".. any ideas?
[20:30] <maco> lovre: unmount it
[20:30] <ActionParsnip> lovre: sudo umount /dev/hda1
[20:30] <ActionParsnip> lovre: then manually mount it yourself
[20:30] <maco> right-click -> eject if you'd like
[20:30] <ActionParsnip> !ntfs-3g
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> lovre: read that, you will need ntfs-3g to write the data back to the partition
[20:31] <maco> ActionParsnip: um, backwards
[20:31] <mefisto__> JontheEchidna: is there a reason why the kubuntu logo for kickoff menu is not used instead of the usual default kde logo?
[20:31] <maco> his problem is that it *is* mounted read-write. it needs to *not* be mounted read-write
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> nobody bothered?
[20:32] <elizabeth> Action i got his: http://pastebin.com/m1cf5a232
[20:32] <lovre> ActionParsnip: but i have mounted it myself with ntfs-3g forced.
[20:32] <lovre> ActionParsnip: another thing, when i try to umount it, says device is busy. *
[20:32] <lovre> ?
[20:32] <mefisto__> JontheEchidna: just wondering if there was a policy or something preventing that
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> nah
[20:33] <lovre> maco: i see. but i cant unmount it now. says device is busy
[20:33] <maco> are you cd'd into it anywhere?
[20:33] <maco> you cant have any terminals open cd'd to it
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> lovre: then make sure your pwd is not on the partition and also try running lsof | grep /mount/point/of/partition
[20:35] <lovre> ActionParsnip: omg my pwd was on the partition, STUPID! thank you
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> d'oh
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> hence its busy
[20:37] <saura> \quit
[20:50] <fernando> hola
[21:03] <sharperguy2> Latest updates have messed up my GNOME and KDE, I'm posting here because I'm not sure how many of them were from the KDE4.2 experimental repo
[21:04] <sharperguy2> ^GNOME is being weird not loading some applets etc - plasma keeps Sig-11ing
[21:07] <kaddi> is there a known issue for the otr-plugin in kopete? kopete keeps crushing when i try to authenticate a msn-contact
[21:12] <noaXess> !backup
[21:13] <darkjoe> hola a todos
[21:13] <darkjoe> some one speak in spanish
[21:17] <PSiL0> !es | darkjoe
[21:18] <alex__> hi everyone....,how can I check which touchpad I have on my laptop !?!
[21:19] <alex__> because I really need to manage it ..., usually has to be off ....
[21:19] <noaXess> hi all
[21:20] <noaXess> i have, make a script for dd my system drive to a backup drive.
[21:20] <noaXess>   exec 3> $logfile_devsda
[21:20] <noaXess>   dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc conv=noerror,sync bs=4k >&3
[21:20] <noaXess> i want that the output of the dd command is in a logfile -> $logfile_devsda
[21:21] <noaXess> is it a problem if in the dd command, at the end is the >&3 ??, can that causes a problem?
[21:24] <viniciuspt> Hello for all
[21:26] <PSiL0> alex_: to turn off your touchpad, just open konsole and type "sudo rmmod psmouse"
[21:27] <PSiL0> alex_: to re-enable it, type "sudo modprobe psmouse"
[21:28] <PSiL0> alex__: I don't think you need to know which touchpad you have if you follow my instructions a few lines ago
[21:28] <deamoon> guys gow to download latest ati drivers?
[21:29] <viniciuspt> somebody would know when the Ktorrent will be brought up to date in the repositories of ubuntu Intrepid? Version 3.1.2 has one bug, that it consumes 100% of the memory and cpu
[21:29] <alex__> thanks a lot PSiLo ....
[21:30] <alex__> like always , the Linux way surprise me ... :D
[21:32] <alex__> another thing I saw right now looking for some row on the "xorg.conf "....
[21:32] <alex__> it's a bit strange .., there are just few row there ...
[21:33] <alex__> how can be... ?
[21:33] <viniciuspt> it is impossible leaves it opened, therefore after some hours it is consuming all the memory RAM (I arrived to have 600MB of RAM used by it)
[21:33] <alex__> I mean , the xorg.conf is still the config file of the X server , right ?
[21:35] <yao_ziyuan> where in system settings can i choose to display text captions below or on the right of toolbar icons? (or don't display text captions at all)
[21:37] <yao_ziyuan> solved
[22:03] <alex__> there is the Kubuntu Italian channel ?
[22:05] <jamesjedimaster> alex__> yes: #ubuntu-it
[22:07] <alex__> good to know ....
[22:07] <alex__> sometime I have some problem to explain staff in english .. :D
[22:08] <shadeslayer> anybody with experience of using usplash??
[22:10] <shadeslayer> alex__: got the webcam configured??
[22:11] <alex__> actually no....
[22:11] <shadeslayer> :(
[22:11] <alex__> but probably it's unsupported ...
[22:11] <shadeslayer> didnt someone help and what about the links??
[22:12] <shadeslayer> alex_which laptop btw??
[22:12] <alex__> Asus Z92J
[22:12] <misak> zdravím, našel by se tu někdo, kdo by věděl, jak nastavit ovladač pro HDA intel, aby, když zapojím sluchátka je to zaregistrovalo ? Vím, že jsou návody na netu, ale ani jeden mi nějak nejde rozhodit :-(
[22:12] <alex__> I tried with EasyCam2 ....
[22:12] <PSiL0> alex__: the nice part of kde 4.2.0 is that I set console commands to a shortcut using "input action".. i.e. I set the shortcut to turn off my touchpad (kdesudo rmmod psmouse) to a shortcut (ctrl-meta(windows key)+M)
[22:13] <shadeslayer> misak: english please
[22:13] <alex__> when I open the interface ,look everything ok ,but the cam still doesn't works ...
[22:13] <alex__> that's really good PSiL0....
[22:14] <alex__> i know many people which was looking for something like that ...
[22:14] <misak> sorry ... So... I have problem with my sound driver ... My sound card is HDA intel ALC883 and when I connect my headphone my PC do anything :-(
[22:14] <alex__> anyway , it will be avaiable just onKDE 4.2 right ?
[22:15] <PSiL0> alex__: I don't know because I honestly did not mess around with kde 4.1.x all that much before upgrading to 4.2
[22:16] <mefisto__> !hda
[22:16] <mefisto__> !intel
[22:17] <mefisto__> shadeslayer: something wrong with usplash?
[22:18] <shadeslayer> ah
[22:18] <shadeslayer> mefisto__: finallly,ty
[22:18] <shadeslayer> mefisto__: im trying to change the splash image
[22:18] <alex__> so are you using KDE 4.2 right '
[22:18] <shadeslayer> alex__: actually no
[22:18] <shadeslayer> GNOME
[22:18] <alex__> ahh ok .. :D
[22:18] <shadeslayer> :(
[22:19] <shadeslayer> i needed something solid ftm
[22:19] <alex__> I was asking you an advise ..... :)
[22:19] <shadeslayer> sure
[22:19] <shadeslayer> i have KDE
[22:19] <shadeslayer> mefisto__: here http://ubuntusatanic.org/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=21&page=1
[22:20] <shadeslayer> i cant get the commands to work
[22:20] <shadeslayer> for installing the .so
[22:20] <alex__> should I try to update KDE in Kubuntu 8.10 ?, I mean , if I install KDE 4.2 , it works propelly here ?
[22:20] <shadeslayer> alex__: KDE 4.2 ftw
[22:20] <alex__> what means "ftw"
[22:21] <shadeslayer> amazing how 0.1 can make so much of a difference
[22:21] <shadeslayer> alex__: for the way
[22:21] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:21] <shadeslayer> it means it rocks
[22:21] <shadeslayer> mefisto__: any idea??
[22:22] <mefisto__> shadeslayer: are you making your own?
[22:22] <alex__> I mean this version it's really nice, but sometime a bit unstable .....
[22:22] <shadeslayer> mefisto__: no,just installing
[22:22] <shadeslayer> point 3
[22:22] <shadeslayer> alex__: 4.1??
[22:22] <goshawk> hi, am i the only one having problems with kbluetooth4 on kde 4.2?
[22:22] <No1PeaceDragon> Hello does anyone know how to make adobe reader the default pdf reader?
[22:23] <PigeonHD`> Anyone know how to print more than one slide per page with openoffice impress (powerpoint)?
[22:23] <shadeslayer> goshawk: OBEX push problem??
[22:23] <alex__> yeah , I have the default version in Kubuntu 8.10
[22:23] <shadeslayer> alex__: upgrade ASAP
[22:23] <shadeslayer> to 4.2
[22:23] <alex__> :D
[22:23] <alex__> are you sure .... ?
[22:23] <goshawk> shadeslayer: it's seems so, it cannot find the bluetooth devices, and hcitool yes
[22:23] <alex__> after that I'll be always here askingfor some problem !?!
[22:24] <sy_> i want know if some one can help me
[22:24] <shadeslayer> goshawk: i had some problems with obex earlier,thats all i know obex
[22:24] <shadeslayer> alex__: rarelt
[22:24] <shadeslayer> *y
[22:24] <mefisto__> shadeslayer: installing what? downloaded from that link you gave?
[22:24] <goshawk> shadeslayer: good, so you cannot associate any device too, isn't it?
[22:25] <sy_> i had a problm with my compter
[22:25] <sy_> i don't have  a sound
[22:25] <shadeslayer> mefisto__: nope,i downloaded a .so file from gnome-look.org,im trying to install that
[22:25] <shadeslayer> !sound | sy_
[22:26] <shadeslayer> goshawk: do state your problem,i havent tried bluetooth completely as of now
[22:26] <shadeslayer> only once
[22:27] <No1PeaceDragon> ? how to make adobe default pdf reader?
[22:27] <shadeslayer> mefisto__: i just need instructions to install a .so file with help of usplash on a terminal
[22:27] <shadeslayer> No1PeaceDragon: default programs
[22:28] <sy_> and i have another i want know how i can get passwd of me in terminal
[22:28] <No1PeaceDragon> its not listed when try to open a pdf file and cant find it
[22:28] <sy_> because  i forgot it
[22:29] <mefisto__> shadeslayer: and you get nothing? or it displays wrong?
[22:30] <shadeslayer> one sec
[22:30] <No1PeaceDragon> shadeslayer---it lists a cdf file and when i search it list folders but when closed adobe can be opened but cant open a file with it as default
[22:31] <shadeslayer> mefisto__: hehe the file didnt get copied
[22:31] <shadeslayer> how do i copy a file to the root drive
[22:31] <shadeslayer> XD
[22:32] <mefisto__> shadeslayer: use sudo
[22:32] <shadeslayer> mefisto__: its 5am here,complete command pleassseee
[22:32] <mefisto__> shadeslayer: eg sudo cp ~/myusplash.so /usr/lib/usplash/
[22:35] <shadeslayer> done
[22:36] <shadeslayer> mefisto__:  usplash-artwork.so: command not found
[22:36] <ytoox> I got problems with my wireless card. I connect but although everyone else's computers have a great signal, mine is pretty poor
[22:36] <ytoox> what can cause this?
[22:37] <shadeslayer> !wifi | ytoox
[22:37] <shadeslayer> mefisto__: on that page
[22:37] <maco> crappy wireless drivers
[22:37] <shadeslayer> http://ubuntusatanic.org/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=21&page=1
[22:38] <shadeslayer> its written
[22:38] <maco> i still love the ipw3945 driver.that thing was great. i'd be the only kid in the classroom able to get online
[22:38] <shadeslayer> sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so
[22:38] <shadeslayer> usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/xxxx-usplash.so 10
[22:38] <shadeslayer> are these two commands or one??
[22:38] <Laeborg-lap> how to get the plasma screen forward?
[22:39] <shadeslayer> Laeborg-lap: Ctrl+F11 i think
[22:39] <shadeslayer> or something similar
[22:39] <shadeslayer> dont press Ctrl+F9
[22:39] <Laeborg-lap> ctrl+f11 doesnt work
[22:40] <Laeborg-lap> why not?
[22:40] <mefisto__> shadeslayer: well usplash-artwork.so is NOT a command. not sure what that page is saying there
[22:41] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[22:41] <Laeborg-lap> ctrl+f12 shows the dashboard
[22:41] <shadeslayer> maybe its sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so/usr/lib/usplash/xxxx-usplash.so 10
[22:43] <shadeslayer> mefisto__: The following is all one line:
[22:43] <shadeslayer> sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so
[22:43] <shadeslayer> usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/xxxx-usplash.so 10
[22:43] <shadeslayer> dumb me
[22:43] <mefisto__> shadeslayer: do you know what the 10 is for on the end?
[22:44] <shadeslayer> nope
[22:44] <shadeslayer> done
[22:45] <mefisto__> shadeslayer: the next command will tell you if you've got it right: sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[22:45] <tyler_d1> I accidentally locked myself out of 8.10 and restarting in single user mode doesn't do it... as well runlevel 1 on the grub boot will not work.... how do I get the machine back?
[22:45] <mefisto__> shadeslayer: should ask you which you want to use
[22:47] <felixclase> hpla
[22:47] <felixclase> hola
[22:47] <felixclase> alquien sabe como poner miniaturas de videos en dolphin?
[22:49] <shadeslayer1> EPIC FAIL
[22:49] <shadeslayer1> :(
[22:49] <alex__> felix aqui se habla ingles ...:)
[22:49] <shadeslayer1> :'(
[22:49] <mefisto__> shadeslayer1: no usplash?
[22:49] <JuJuBee> Does anybody use the nVidia 9650M GT in laptop?
[22:50] <shadeslayer1> 8600 MGT
[22:51] <shadeslayer1> JuJuBee: why??
[22:51] <JuJuBee> Looking for new laptop and wonder if 9650 with 1G is as good or better or worse than 9800 with 512M
[22:52] <JuJuBee> Im not a serious gamer...
[22:52] <mofux> hey guys, is there a bugfix about konqueror flash only working sometimes for videos?
[22:52] <shadeslayer1> !ot | JuJuBee
[22:52] <felixclase> hola
[22:52] <shadeslayer1> or ##hardware
[22:52] <felixclase> hi
[22:52] <SlimeyPete> I should think a 9800 with 512 will perform better, but it's still nigh-on obsolete
[22:52] <JuJuBee> Tried both, pretty dormant...
[22:52] <JuJuBee> Thanks anyway...
[22:52] <felixclase> alguien habla espanol
[22:52] <felixclase> alguien habla espanol
[22:53] <felixclase> alguien habla espanol
[22:53] <shadeslayer1> !es | felixclase
[22:53] <shadeslayer1> mefisto__: one thing i see
[22:53] <felixclase> hola
[22:53] <shadeslayer1> my option 2 has one + and the new splash image has a *
[22:54] <mefisto__> shadeslayer1: which one did you download from gnome-look.org? what's it called?
[22:54] <shadeslayer1> i renamed ot
[22:54] <shadeslayer1> *it
[22:54] <shadeslayer1> its the one most downloaded
[22:54] <shadeslayer1> one sec
[22:55] <mefisto__> shadeslayer1: the fingerprint one?
[22:55] <shadeslayer1> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Sunset+Usplash+(Colors)?content=98003
[22:55] <felixclase> fucking english
[22:55] <shadeslayer1> !language | felixclase
[22:56] <shadeslayer1> mefisto__: after this sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[22:56] <shadeslayer1> sudo update-initramfs -u
[22:56] <shadeslayer1> i see a * marked opposite to option 2
[22:56] <felixclase> fucking english
[22:57] <shadeslayer1> and + opposite option 3
[22:57] <felixclase> fucking english
[22:57] <shadeslayer1> !op
[22:57] <shadeslayer1> :)
[22:57] <shadeslayer1> thanks
[22:58] <shadeslayer1> mefisto__: so..
[22:58] <shadeslayer1> you try running that command
[22:58] <shadeslayer1> *those two
[22:58] <shadeslayer1> and tell me if the * and + are on the same thing
[22:58] <shadeslayer1> option
[22:58] <shadeslayer1> or not
[22:59] <bilo> e ai rapazeada
[22:59] <bilo> i m from brzil
[22:59] <bilo> himan
[22:59] <shadeslayer1> !br | bilo
[22:59] <mefisto__> shadeslayer1: which option do you want to use? option 2?
[23:00] <shadeslayer1> 3
[23:00] <shadeslayer1> i installed a new .so
[23:00] <mefisto__> shadeslayer1: the * is the one that it's currently set to
[23:00] <shadeslayer1> ok
[23:01] <shadeslayer1> whats the problem the
[23:02] <shadeslayer1> when i ran the test everything went blank
[23:04] <mefisto__> shadeslayer1: ls -l /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so        will show you which one it is pointing to
[23:08] <mefisto__> shadeslayer1: /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so     points to      /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so     which points to       /usr/lib/usplash/the-usplash-that-will-be-used.so
[23:10] <chairman> hey guys . how do i get the compiz fusion settings?
[23:11] <shadeslayer> ok that was a nother hang
[23:11] <shadeslayer> !compiz
[23:11] <shadeslayer> mefisto__: any new ideas??
[23:12] <shadeslayer> i dont get it we did everything right
[23:13] <shadeslayer> mefisto__: if you wish you can continue experimenting with that splash image
[23:13] <shadeslayer> im off to sleep
[23:14] <shadeslayer> bye
[23:25] <jamesjedimaster>
[23:27] <remu> Hey guys, two quick questions, 1st, is there a network install/minimal iso for Kubuntu like there is for Ubuntu? I searched around, and I don't think there is, but I wanna check in case I'm overlooking something
[23:32] <remu> Anyone?
[23:33] <pulc> hi
[23:33] <mefisto__> remu: a network install has no desktop, so a kubuntu one doesn't make sense. it would be the same
[23:33] <pulc> !list
[23:34] <mefisto__> remu: unless I've misunderstood you
[23:34] <remu> mefisto__, no, I mean the install disk which has a text installer, but it gets all of the packages from the internet, so that there is no need to to updates right after install. Also, the iso is only 10 mb
[23:36] <remu> mefisto__, like this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD, but for Kubuntu
[23:40] <remu> And my second question is this, I was dabbling with Kubuntu earlier (a week or so ago), I had KDE4.2 installed, and for some reason changing the volume had no effect on the video player....I think its called Dragon? On everything else, the audio would change, just not on that.
[23:41] <mefisto__> remu: have you ever used the minimal install iso?
[23:42] <remu> I have for Ubuntu before
[23:42] <remu> not for Kubuntu
[23:42] <remu> thats what I'm looking for for Kubuntu
[23:42] <mefisto__> remu: I don't know how it installs, but if you can install with no gnome desktop, then you could just install kubuntu-desktop
[23:43] <remu> it installs just like the alternate-cd
[23:43] <remu> except, instead of the packages being stored on the disc
[23:43] <remu> they are pulled from the repos
[23:43] <mefisto__> remu: is there an option to NOT install gnome, or any desktop?
[23:43] <tuxi> remu, I can't replicate your Dragon player issue both volume controls (in the player and kmix) work
[23:44] <remu> Hmm
[23:45] <remu> tuxi, I'm gonna install Kubuntu again, and give it one more shot. kmix was affecting the audio for everything BUT dragon
[23:45] <tuxi> no idea what the explanation could be
[23:46] <tuxi> 4.2 is now in the backports too
[23:47] <mefisto__> remu: what is the master channel kmix is using?
[23:47] <remu> PCM
[23:47] <mefisto__> remu: or are you saying that none of the kmix sliders affect volume?
[23:47] <tuxi> probably the wrong channel, remu
[23:47] <remu> they do, just not in Dragon
[23:48] <mefisto__> remu: none of them?
[23:48] <remu> I'm gonna go install it and see what happens this time around.
[23:48] <remu> I dunno, I don't have it installed right now.
[23:48] <tuxi> the master didn't affect dragon?
[23:48] <remu> Don't remember completely, I think it did, but the problem with Master is that it works on a logarithmic scale
[23:51] <mefisto__> remu: look in systemsettings > multimedia and set everything to use the same device preference order
[23:51] <remu> Alrighty, will try that
[23:51] <remu> thanks
[23:51] <remu> I'm gonna go try this out now folks, thanks for your help
[23:52] <mefisto__> remu: and the mini installer, does it insist that you install a desktop? can you install without gnome?
[23:52] <Guest31895> hi there
[23:54] <adam_> anybody there
[23:55] <Guest31895> hello
[23:59] <mefisto__> !hi


[00:11] <godbyk> Thanks, popey.  I'm looking forward to the feedback we'll be receiving over the next few weeks.
[00:11] <godbyk> As people get a chance to start reading through it more instead of just a cursory flip-through the pages.
[00:13] <popey> :)
[01:18] <semioticrobotic> anyone following the conversation I've been having with Martin over Bug#571524?
[01:18] <semioticrobotic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/571524
[01:18] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 571524 in ubuntu-manual "Open Source definition is inaccurate" [High,Confirmed]
[04:06] <hemanth> godbyk, install-tl said Welcome to TeX Live! But  install-pkgs.sh says No version of TeX Live was detected!
[04:06] <godbyk> hemanth: Did you enable the option to create symlinks?
[04:07] <hemanth> godbyk, nope! just had did ./, it took a long time and said done atlast
[04:08] <hemanth> godbyk, need to set the path in my .profile?
[04:08] <godbyk> hemanth: there was a menu option to create the symlinks.  if you didn't turn that on, then tlmgr won't be in your path and the install-pkgs.sh script won't find it.
[04:09] <godbyk> you can either set the path, or run tlmgr manually to create the symlinks
[04:09] <godbyk> I can walk you through either.
[04:09] <hemanth> godbyk, i have set the path as export PATH="/usr/local/texlive/2009/bin/i386-linux":$PATH
[04:12] <godbyk> hemanth: 'kay. that should work okay.
[04:13] <hemanth> godbyk, sourced my .profile same thinge again
[04:13] <godbyk> type 'which tlmgr'
[04:13] <godbyk> if that fails to return the proper path, 'echo $PATH' and double-check it.
[04:13] <hemanth> godbyk, its in the path /usr/local/texlive/2009/bin/i386-linux/tlmgr
[04:14] <hemanth> godbyk, which returns me the proper path
[04:15] <godbyk> Hmm..
[04:15] <godbyk> And install-pkgs.sh is saying "No version of TeX Live was detected.'?
[04:15] <hemanth> godbyk, i opened a fresh terminal and explicitly set the path, now its working!
[04:16] <hemanth> godbyk, my bash version 4.0.0(1)-release.. could that be the issue?
[04:16] <godbyk> Ah, that's good then.
[04:16] <godbyk> I don't think so.
[04:16] <godbyk> You might add the PATH stuff to your .bashrc file, though.
[04:16] <godbyk> I can never remember when the .profile, .bash_profile, .bashrc, etc. are called.
[04:17] <godbyk> I know some are for interactive shells only and others are always called.
[04:17] <hemanth> godbyk, okies, .profile calls .bashrc in my case
[04:17] <godbyk> 'kay.
[04:18] <hemanth> its installing, which tlmgr > /dev/null && TEXLIVE_VERSION="2009" is the key in the script right?
[04:21] <godbyk> hemanth: yep.
[04:35] <godbyk> hemanth: how's it going?
[05:03] <hemanth> godbyk, sorry for the delay, installation went well, compilation says : ! LaTeX Error: File `xifthen.sty' not found.
[05:04] <godbyk> no problem.
[05:04] <godbyk> hmm.. did I forget to add that to the install-pkgs.sh script?
[05:04] <godbyk> try 'sudo tlmgr install xifthen'
[05:06] <hemanth> had to goto the path manually and executed the command, installing xifthen
[05:06] <godbyk> k
[05:06] <godbyk> is 'tlmgr' not in the PATH yet?
[05:06] <hemanth> tlmgr said package repository
[05:08] <hemanth> which tlmgr is giving me the path, tlmgr gives command not found! very strange, so went th path and installed xifthen, still the same issue while compilation,line 17 ubuntu-manula.cls
[05:08] <godbyk> Does 'kpsewhich xifthen' return anything?
[05:09] <hemanth> nope
[05:09] <hemanth> i'm using texmaker and compiling main.tex
[05:13] <hemanth> same
[05:15] <godbyk> Hmm.. I haven't tried compiling it with texmaker yet.
[05:15] <godbyk> Make sure it's using XeLaTeX for the engine.
[05:15] <godbyk> If kpsewhich isn't returning anything, then TeX can't find the file.
[05:16] <godbyk> Run 'sudo texhash'
[05:16] <godbyk> that'll reindex the tex files.
[05:27] <hemanth> texhash updated the files
[05:29] <hemanth> godbyk, need to go out will be back soon, everything is ready there must a same issue as you mentioned see you soon, thanks for helping
[05:30] <godbyk> 'kay.
[05:30] <godbyk> see ya
[06:26] <hemanth> godbyk, there?
[06:27] <godbyk> hemanth: yep!
[06:28] <hemanth> godbyk, what next?
[06:28] <godbyk> where'd we leave off?
[06:29] <hemanth> "Make sure it's using XeLaTeX for the engine."
[06:29] <godbyk> Ah, okay.
[06:29] <godbyk> Are you getting an error message when you compile?
[06:30] <godbyk> Or are we still having problems when you run install-pkgs.sh?
[06:30] <hemanth> pkgs where install, so was texlive 2009, unable to compile cos xifthen was missing installed it yet the same issue
[06:30] <hemanth> ! LaTeX Error: File `xifthen.sty' not found.
[06:30] <manualbot> hemanth: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[06:30] <godbyk> okay.
[06:30] <godbyk> did you run 'sudo texhash'?
[06:30] <hemanth> yup
[06:30] <godbyk> does 'kpsewhich xifthen' return anything?
[06:30] <hemanth> no!
[06:30] <godbyk> Hmm..
[06:31] <godbyk> ah.. try 'kpsewhich xifthen.sty'
[06:31] <godbyk> (I thought it appended .sty automatically, but perhaps not.)
[06:31] <hemanth> /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf-dist/tex/latex/xifthen/xifthen.sty
[06:31] <godbyk> perfect
[06:32] <godbyk> let's try compiling from the command prompt first, then.
[06:32] <godbyk> open a terminal and go to the directory containing the ubuntu-manual files.
[06:32] <godbyk> then run 'make'
[06:32] <hemanth> running
[06:32] <godbyk> 'kay.
[06:33] <godbyk> be right back.. need some water
[06:33] <hemanth> /bin/bash: xelatex: command not found, okies even me :)
[06:36] <hemanth> running after export PATH="/usr/local/texlive/2009/bin/i386-linux":$PATH, again the path is not been set, i have put them both in .bashrc and .profile
[06:36] <hemanth> godbyk, Success!  Wrote 166 pages :)
[06:37] <godbyk> okay, I'm back now.
[06:37] <godbyk> great!
[06:37] <godbyk> so we know that it compiles okay there.
[06:38] <godbyk> you may have to log out and back in to make sure the path is set appropriately in the gui app.
[06:38] <godbyk> (after setting PATH in .bashrc)
[06:40] <hemanth> godbyk, just spawning new shell or sourcing .bashrc must do it right?
[06:40] <godbyk> If you run the GUI app from the terminal, yes.
[06:41] <godbyk> If you're clicking on it through the Application menu, it will use the same environment as you had when you logged in.
[06:42] <hemanth> o ya got it, i'm getting few control options like make clean, make pdf on the nautilus menu
[06:45] <godbyk> oh, great, so you have ground control installed then.
[06:46] <hemanth> yup :), complied but main.pdf has only one blank page
[06:46] <godbyk> Hmm.. that's odd.
[06:46] <godbyk> which button did you click?
[06:47] <hemanth> make pdf
[06:47] <hemanth> make was done from the terminal
[06:47] <godbyk> let me give it a shot.
[06:47] <hemanth> :)
[06:48] <godbyk> for me, it's giving an error because it can't find the title page.
[06:48] <hemanth> o!
[06:49] <godbyk> ah, one moment.
[06:49] <godbyk> I think I'm in an old directory.
[06:49] <godbyk> (too many branches!)
[06:49] <hemanth> i just have a quick restart ok?
[06:50] <godbyk> ok, now it's compiling more.
[06:50] <godbyk> sure
[06:50] <hemanth> i will be back in a wink ;)
[06:50] <godbyk> no problem
[06:55] <godbyk> I'm just installing 10.04 on my laptop.
[06:55] <godbyk> Figured I may as well test out our installation instructions while I'm at it. :)
[06:56] <godbyk> hemanth: When I used the Make PDF button in the up-to-date lucid-e1 folder, it worked okay for me.
[07:03] <hemanth> godbyk, me also in lucid, from terminal its make && make pdf ?
[07:03] <godbyk> hemanth: 'make' by itself will generate the pdf.
[07:03] <hemanth> me lucid-2e
[07:04] <godbyk> aha.
[07:04] <godbyk> I haven't tried the 2e branch for a bit.
[07:04] <godbyk> Let me give that a go.
[07:05] <godbyk> you may want to refrain from hacking on lucid-2e too much right now as I think I'm going to wipe it out so we can start fresh.
[07:05] <godbyk> (I'll copy over only the .tex files we need for the manual. that'll keep the branch a lot smaller in size.)
[07:07] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[07:07] <hemanth> okies, this texmaker's conf had to changed to increase the buffer size
[07:07] <godbyk> Hey, ubuntujenkins.
[07:07] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, morning :)
[07:08] <godbyk> hemanth: the lucid-e2 branch compiled okay for me, too.
[07:09] <hemanth> godbyk, :) phew got the manual compiled
[07:09] <godbyk> cool
[07:09] <hemanth> which would be the tex editor you would suggest me, as of now me on texmaker
[07:10] <godbyk> hemanth: I typically use vim, so I'm probably not the guy to ask. :)
[07:10] <godbyk> You can use your favorite text editor, if you like.
[07:11] <godbyk> We're not using too many standard LaTeX commands, so most of the tex editors will be of limited help, I think.
[07:11] <hemanth> godbyk, me compliant with vim also, so is there any specific plugin you would suggest for it
[07:11] <godbyk> hemanth: There's a huge set of plugins called the LaTeX-Suite for vim.
[07:11] <godbyk> They're not too bad, though they get in my way sometimes.
[07:12] <hemanth> godbyk, ok checking it out, it would fun with those plugins giving tab compilations and drop downs in vim :)
[07:12] <godbyk> Otherwise, we're really just using a limited set of commands right now.  I hope they're not too difficult for people to keep in their heads. :)
[07:12] <ubuntujenkins> I got a reply from the mailing list. I made a few mistakes. Thought i had all bases covered. :/ any way any idea what a dak is ? "if you use the
[07:12] <ubuntujenkins> same upstream sources, otherwise the Ubuntu equivalent of dak will cry out."
[07:12] <godbyk> Yeah, there's not so much of that, I'm afraid.
[07:13] <godbyk> there is a vim-latex-suite package, I think.. (if you're using the ubuntu-packaged vim)
[07:13] <hemanth> godbyk, doing sudo apt-get install vim-latexsuite
[07:26]  * IlyaHaykinson waves
[07:26] <ubuntujenkins> hello IlyaHaykinson
[07:27]  * godbyk waves back at IlyaHaykinson
[07:27] <godbyk> Hey, vish!
[07:27] <IlyaHaykinson> my netbook ran out of power during the lucid upgrade
[07:27] <godbyk> oops
[07:27] <IlyaHaykinson> magically, when i plugged it in and booted, it was ok.
[07:27] <IlyaHaykinson> i guess i was half-way through the last (cleanup) stage
[07:27] <godbyk> I'm installing Lucid on my laptop.  Following the instructions in our manual.
[07:27] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[07:27] <IlyaHaykinson> so it was just a matter of "apt-get autoremove"
[07:28] <IlyaHaykinson> but yeah. this is what i get for doing an upgrade at work, and not bringing the cord
[07:28] <IlyaHaykinson> brb
[07:30]  * ubuntujenkins is disliking texlive packages the more i look
[07:31] <vish> godbyk: hi..
[07:32] <vish> godbyk: ga
[07:33] <godbyk> vish: having problems?
[07:33] <godbyk> Seems like the installation instructions are pretty decent.
[07:33] <vish> hehe , entered "enter" too soon
[07:33] <godbyk> They added LTS to the install button, though.
[07:33] <godbyk> heh
[07:33] <vish>  been using the lts since ~5months ;p
[07:34] <vish> godbyk: gah! ayatana mailing list has too many mails , it have ~200 unread mails :s
[07:34] <godbyk> vish: I know!  I end up just skimming most of them and never join the discussion.
[07:34] <godbyk> typically the discussion ends up being a free-for-all, anyway.
[07:35] <godbyk> everyone's offering their own opinion on matters, but none of it's backed up by and real research.
[07:35] <vish> exactly!
[07:35] <vish> even the design team is just pulling a rabbit!
[07:35] <godbyk> yeah, I'm a bit disappointed about all that.
[07:35] <godbyk> hopefully we'll get something better going soon.
[07:53] <ubuntujenkins> what did the desgin team have a dig on?
[08:09] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: various things, I s'pose. This is one of the more recent threads on the mailing list: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg01569.html
[08:20] <ubuntujenkins> thanks godbyk
[08:23] <vish> hrm , need to add filter for humphrey's mails > trash , some of the mails are "+1" "nice post" or similar ;p
[08:23] <vish> are just*
[08:24] <vish> heh! no humphrey.. no fun teasing  :(
[08:26] <ubuntujenkins> Can't locate tpm2debcommon.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./all/debian /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at tpm2deb-source.pl line 58.
[08:26] <ubuntujenkins> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tpm2deb-source.pl line 58.
[08:27] <ubuntujenkins> am i right in thinking that it is looking for a file called tmp2debcommon.pm in a directory that is above the one I am in called "all" and then in the "debian" directory
[08:30] <ubuntujenkins> because if it is that silly file exists
[08:30] <godbyk> Well, it's saying it can't find tpm2debcommon.pm in any of the directories listed (in @INC)
[08:30] <godbyk> that dir must not be in the @INC list then.
[08:32] <ubuntujenkins> this script is not the best, I am having to save alsorst of files in places so that it can find them
[08:32] <godbyk> vish: a lot of the things that get argued about on the ayatana list (and so many other places) could be resolved by collecting actual data.
[08:33] <godbyk> vish: have you seen Mozilla's Test Pilot plugin for Firefox?
[08:33] <vish> oh whats des it do?
[08:33] <godbyk> vish: I'd like the exact same sort of thing but for the whole OS.
[08:33] <vish> does*
[08:33] <godbyk> It collects usage data.
[08:33] <godbyk> hold on and I'll get the link
[08:33] <godbyk> https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/
[08:34] <godbyk> Some of the studies that have been done look at how tabs are used: how many tabs people have open, what they do when the open a new tab, etc.
[08:34] <vish> neat ty
[08:34] <godbyk> Another study looked at which menu items are used more frequently and whether they're accessed via mouse, keyboard, toolbar button, etc.
[08:35] <godbyk> The recent discussion about workspaces raises a lot of questions that we can answer by collecting data:
[08:35] <godbyk> how many workspaces do people have?
[08:35] <godbyk> how many workspaces do they *use*?
[08:35] <godbyk> how many windows per workspace.
[08:35] <godbyk> how do they switch between workspaces?
[08:35] <godbyk> etc. etc.
[08:35] <godbyk> those are questions that we can actually answer.
[08:36] <godbyk> run a small program that sits in the background and monitors that sort of usage.
[08:36] <godbyk> and it can report that data back to us.
[08:36] <vish> yeah.. i think charline must be having a similar list of sorts , we need to do that before disabling or improve a featuer
[08:36] <vish> feature*
[08:36] <godbyk> have the users fill out a quick server so we can see how advanced users differ from newbies.
[08:36] <godbyk> exactly.
[08:36] <godbyk> see how often a particular feature is actually used in practice.
[08:37] <godbyk> then you can tell all those people who are whining on the bug report that, 'hey, look, only this tiny percentage of people use the feature and it's causes problems A, B, and C for everyone else.'
[08:37] <godbyk> then you've got some ground to stand on.
[08:38] <vish> we are just trying to put ourselves in a hypothetical user's shoe and to expect that our own biases dont effect the choices would be too much , no one is so Gandhian ;p
[08:39] <godbyk> heh.. it's not even a matter of being Gandhian, it's just that we (as humans) suck at knowing *why* we do the things we do and why we make the decisions we make.
[08:39] <godbyk> it's been demonstrated repeatedly in psych experiments.
[08:40] <godbyk> A lot of the interminable debates that take place could be put to rest if only we had a bit of data.
[08:41] <godbyk> Then you can show demonstrably that one side is 'more right' than the other. :)
[08:41] <vish> the human "Id" is such a complex thing .. we have so many defense mechanisms to even not realize why we do them.. not an easy task for the conscious mind ;)
[08:42] <godbyk> Doing full-blown usability studies by bringing people into a lab and sitting them in front of a computer take a lot of time, can be rather expensive, and can have ecological validity issues.
[08:43] <godbyk> Recording data from actual people using the actual software in their actual home/workplace would work around those issues.
[08:43] <godbyk> Yeah, we humans are quite good at rationalizing are 'decisions'.
[08:43] <vish> i'm sometimes quite amazed by how much data mpt collects by reading comments/rants!
[08:44] <godbyk> Canonical may already do this, but they should look at those support requests they get, too.  Each time they get a support call, see if it's caused by a usability problem or if there's some way to improve the software to avoid those calls in the future.
[08:44] <IlyaHaykinson> fwiw, i think we'll end up doing a full-blown usability study by bringing people into a lab :)
[08:44] <IlyaHaykinson> for the manual
[08:44] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: awesome
[08:45] <IlyaHaykinson> i had a conversation with my friend, Hilary, who's had a lot of experience running focus groups
[08:45] <godbyk> There are definitely benefits to that, depending on the type of study.
[08:45] <IlyaHaykinson> hopefully she'll join the manual team and start working through some of these issues
[08:45] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: Excellent!
[08:46] <IlyaHaykinson> alright. and now it's time for me to go to sleep. l8r ppl.
[08:46] <godbyk> For our web-based version of the manual, I'd like to have (at each paragraph or subsection) a place where someone can say, 'this was helpful' or 'this is wrong/buggy' or 'this was not what I was looking for', etc. so we can use that feedback to improve the content and organization of the manual.
[08:46] <godbyk> see ya, IlyaHaykinson
[08:48] <vish> 'this was confusing to understand , had to read twice'
[08:49] <godbyk> exactly.
[08:49] <godbyk> 'this was a 7 out of 10 on the clarity scale'
[08:50] <godbyk> my basic thinking in how the web-based manual should work is that the site will be pretty much just text and screenshots on a solid color background.  no other graphics or anything to get in the way.
[08:51] <vish> windows/google/and a few others do that , i often end up not selecting the options.. but sometimes do ;)
[08:51] <godbyk> then when your mouse hovers over a paragraph, to the left of the paragraph a small set of links/widgets will appear (fairly transparent at first). if you move your mouse toward them, they'll become more solid.
[08:52] <godbyk> you can click on the 'thumbs up' or 'thumbs down' button, the 'leave feeback' link (which shows a text area for short feedback notes), etc.
[08:52] <godbyk> but very minimalistic and out-of-the-way.
[08:52] <vish> yeah
[08:52] <godbyk> I usually don't answer them, but if I can a simple yes/no to 'was this helpful?' or 'did this answer your question?' then I'll do that.
[08:52] <godbyk> and any feedback we get is helpful.
[08:53] <godbyk> each of the paragraphs should have an anchor, as well, so people in forums and on mailing lists can link directly to the paragraph that answers the perrson's question.
[08:55] <vish> godbyk: one issue though.. how through is the manual gonna get?
[08:55] <godbyk> vish: I haven't any idea.
[08:55] <vish> godbyk: also it doesnt seem humphrey has replied to Phil's concern , he seems to have forgotten
[08:55] <godbyk> It seems that people keep wanting to extend it to add many more advanced topics.
[08:56] <godbyk> Yeah, I was initially going to reply, but then I figured I'd let humpreybc handle it.
[08:56] <vish> godbyk: exactly , at which rate we are aiming to replace the docs
[08:57] <vish> one cause for concern is that , whenever humphrey mentions doc and manual collaboration  , there is no reply from the docs team
[08:58] <godbyk> vish: right.  I haven't had time to explore the doc team's stuff thoroughly yet, but from the little poking around I've done, I'm not at all impressed with its organization.
[08:58] <vish> godbyk: surely no one is impressed ;)
[08:58] <godbyk> I think everyone was waiting until after the release of lucid to get into it.
[08:59] <ubuntujenkins> can anyone spot where the extra / is in this http://paste.ubuntu.com/425079/ file that the error refers to "TLPDB.pm" pm2deb-source.pl: open(/media/Back-Up/tmp/texlive2009/trunk//tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb) failed: No such file or directory at all/debian/TeXLive/TLPDB.pm line 281.
[08:59] <godbyk> I know the docs team, ubuntu manual team, and the learning team are all going to be discussing collaboration.
[08:59] <vish> godbyk: yeah , but none of the real core docs team will be at the uds :s
[08:59] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: the extra slash shouldn't matter.
[08:59] <godbyk> vish: I know.
[09:00] <vish> gah! where is humphrey!
[09:00] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: o ok I didn't know that
[09:00] <godbyk> Not sure where he's at today.  Haven't seen him in yet.
[09:00] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: at least, I've never seen it make any difference.  there's a first time for everything, though.:)
[09:01] <godbyk> vish: When you pull up the system docs (System > Help and Support), does it seem terribly helpful?
[09:01] <vish> godbyk: nope.. it can be improved immensely
[09:02] <godbyk> some of my complaints are about yelp (the help browser), but others are about the docs themselves -- whether they're gnome docs or ubuntu docs, I dunno, but it's not that good.
[09:03] <vish> godbyk: i suggested a lot of improvements earlier ~a yr ago , and somehow i came off as being a jerk ;)
[10:17]  * ubuntujenkins man so close I just need a .changes file
[12:04] <ubuntujenkins> !universe
[12:04] <manualbot> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[12:10] <fenre> Does anyone know the current number of downloads?
[12:11] <ubuntujenkins> fenre: let me check
[12:11] <ubuntujenkins> fenre: http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=8 and http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=9
[12:13] <fenre> Very nice. Thanks!
[12:14] <fenre> What is the difference between the two? Besides the numbers in the stats :P
[12:15] <ubuntujenkins> the printed one is with black headings an a extra page for the cover. This is the version on lulu
[12:16] <fenre> ok, so id=8 is the standard one, and id=9 is the print edition?
[12:16] <fenre> the two stats-pages seems to be identical you see..
[12:23] <c7p> hey guys the greek translation of the site need to be updated on ubuntu-manual.org, cause there are serious mistakes on the old pot file that is load on our website
[12:25] <nisshh> c7p: either daker or godbyk need to know that
[12:26] <c7p> ok i will send an e-mail later :)
[12:26] <c7p> g2g cu all
[12:47] <ubuntujenkins> fenre: yes id=8 is the standard one, and id=9 is the print edition?
[14:44] <Ddorda> where can I translate the ubuntu-manual site?
[14:48] <ubuntujenkins> Ddorda: in what lanaguage?
[14:48] <Ddorda> ubuntujenkins: Hebrew
[14:51] <ubuntujenkins> Ddorda: I think they have been moved to here https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website
[14:54] <Ddorda> what's the differences between ubuntu-manual-website & ubu-man-website-translations
[14:54] <Ddorda> ?
[14:55] <ubuntujenkins> Ddorda: can you link me the two please.
[14:55] <Ddorda> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/trunk/+pots/ubu-man-website-translations/he/+translate
[14:55] <Ddorda> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/trunk/+pots/ubuntu-manual-website/he/+translate
[14:58] <ubuntujenkins> Ddorda: no clue i am afraid we will have to ask daker or godbyk
[15:02] <godbyk-android> there's no difference.
[15:03] <Ddorda> godbyk-android: well, one of them has 6 more strings
[15:04] <godbyk-android> the -website one is the original, but we copy it to -manual because the translators are generally unaware of the -website project
[15:10] <Ddorda> godbyk-android: okay, thanks
[16:37]  * humphreybc just did the worst american accent ever
[17:02] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: why?
[17:02] <humphreybc> OMG! Ubuntu! podcast :P
[17:02] <ubuntujenkins> lol, whats wrong with your normal voice?
[17:03] <humphreybc> it's just for a short bit
[17:03] <humphreybc> you'l lsee
[17:03] <humphreybc> you'll see *
[17:03] <humphreybc> i can't give it away :P
[17:03] <ubuntujenkins> no i will not see, but i might hear :)
[17:04] <humphreybc> yeah yeah
[17:10] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I am having some success on a ppa for latex, but there is a 3 day build wait. The anoying thing is the machines that are used to build packages for the disro are sat doing nothing.
[17:12] <humphreybc> hmm
[17:13] <ubuntujenkins> not all of them have the right processor, six days fro 64bit stuff
[17:16] <humphreybc> hm
[17:16] <ubuntujenkins> I just hope none of the builds fail. On another topic kevin and i had a good convo about the manual package
[17:16] <humphreybc> I'll see if we can improve that for the future builds
[17:16] <humphreybc> oh yea?
[17:18] <ubuntujenkins> we think we know how we want it to work we duiscussed it on skype. The package that goes in universe will not have a physical package. It will be a small gui and the use of wget. getting the current langauge manaul if it exists.
[17:18] <ubuntujenkins> other wise suggest they help translate and ask them to choose from the avalible list
[17:18] <humphreybc> what's your skype, Luke?
[17:18] <humphreybc> for the future
[17:19] <humphreybc> I'll have a chat with you next week about the UI design, we can bring in Kevin too on a conference call
[17:19] <ubuntujenkins> yep sounds good to me
[17:19] <humphreybc> then i'll get onto mockups and stuff on the plane
[17:20] <humphreybc> also mockups for the next quickshot
[17:20] <humphreybc> I also need mockups for our html help site
[17:21] <humphreybc> hopefully i'll be able to pick up an aussie power adapter in sydney
[17:22] <ubuntujenkins> yea I haven't figured out how to make quickshot work. yet lots of exams and tackling this ppa to hopefully avoid i can't get it to work questions.
[17:22] <humphreybc> oh wait!
[17:22] <humphreybc> Aussie ones are the same as NZ
[17:22] <humphreybc> thank the lord!
[17:22] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[17:22] <humphreybc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets
[17:23]  * humphreybc wonders what belgium uses
[17:23] <ubuntujenkins> I don't know
[17:24] <humphreybc> ohhh
[17:24] <humphreybc> one of them things
[17:24] <humphreybc> i see
[17:24] <humphreybc> UK plugs are retarded
[17:24] <ubuntujenkins> no they are not :P
[17:24] <humphreybc> they're hooooooooooooge!
[17:25] <ubuntujenkins> why what are new zeland ones like?
[17:25] <humphreybc> not that huge!
[17:25] <humphreybc> the danish plug is the best
[17:26] <humphreybc> it's a happy face
[17:26] <humphreybc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:K_plug.jpg
[17:26] <ubuntujenkins> haha lol
[17:29] <thorwil> humphreybc: talked with Iain and Kenneth today and found out that the reddish orange one gets to see using one of the for-web SVGs is the right color. it's the guidelines pdf that is off
[17:29] <humphreybc> i see
[17:29] <humphreybc> well that's okay then
[17:29] <humphreybc> did you get the email I sent to daker and CC'd you in?
[17:29] <thorwil> yes
[17:29] <humphreybc> cool
[17:35] <thorwil> i'm really displeased with that tiny CoC in the circle
[17:39] <thorwil> the logo has to be huge to have enough pixels to get that thing sharp
[17:46] <humphreybc> yeah
[17:48] <humphreybc> thorwil: you should be coming to UDS now that there's a dedicated design track :(
[17:49] <thorwil> *shrug*
[17:50] <humphreybc> what do you use to open .eps files? Inkscape?
[17:50] <thorwil> i don't open eps file :/
[17:50] <humphreybc> ?
[17:51] <thorwil> inkscape should be able to open eps, with the help of Ghostscript and ps2pdf
[17:52] <humphreybc> how did you export that logo?
[17:52] <humphreybc> I opened it in gimp and saved it to a png but it didn't have an alpha layer
[17:52] <thorwil> opened an SVG in inkscape
[17:52] <humphreybc> oh, where are the SVGs?
[17:53] <humphreybc> ah
[17:53] <humphreybc> under teh SVG folder
[17:53] <humphreybc> d'oh
[18:51] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk ping
[19:46] <ubuntujenkins> We have 32164 downloads so far! \o/
[19:51] <c7p> nice :D
[19:52] <c7p> we will make this number and the reputation of the project larger, when the translated version will be released too ;)
[19:52] <ubuntujenkins> definatley so c7p
[19:57] <c7p> do anybody know when the translated version will be released ?
[19:57] <ubuntujenkins> when the language is complete, and kevin has sorted the layout of it
[20:00] <c7p> cu later
[21:18]  * ubuntujenkins has had a very successful day he has packaged all the latex packages that the manual now to wait 3 days to find out if i did it right.
[21:22] <ubuntujenkins> *needs
[22:42] <ubuntujenkins> night all


[01:00] <GrueMaster> iso.qa.ubuntu.com is down, it would appear.
[01:06] <ScottK> GrueMaster: Same here: The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
[01:07] <GrueMaster> sigh.  Well, Kubuntu on omap4 has passed.  Starting omap soon, then I am done testing.
[01:07] <ScottK> slangasek: If you've got some Canonical IS bat phone you can call to get iso.qa.ubuntu.com, it might not be a bad idea.
[01:07] <ScottK> GrueMaster: Great.  Thanks for taking care of Kubuntu again.
[01:09] <slangasek> hum, indeed
[01:10] <slangasek> bats phoned (?)
[01:13] <ScottK> Now let's see if I can remember what the DVD tests are ...
[02:00] <GrueMaster> ScottK: What's the scoop with the kubuntu-mobile image?
[02:00] <ScottK> GrueMaster: There won't be one.
[02:00] <GrueMaster> Well, I noticed that.  Has rblem stopped working on it?
[02:01] <ScottK> No.
[02:01] <ScottK> With Riddell gone this cycle we ended up not getting a lot of non-core stuff done.
[02:01] <GrueMaster> Ah.
[02:02] <GrueMaster> This cycle has been...interesting all around.
[02:07] <ScottK> Yeah.
[02:43] <ScottK> qa tracker is back.
[02:47]  * slangasek nods
[03:08] <ScottK> slangasek: Is there somewhere you can stuff the powerpc images for Kubuntu so if we get a tester we can release them late?
[03:21] <ScottK> (if me saving a copy locally if sufficient, I can do that)
[03:53] <pitti> Good morning
[03:54] <pitti> Laney: all built now
[03:55] <ScottK> Looks like someone just retried mlton.
[03:55] <ScottK> Not sure if it'll make it.
[03:55] <ScottK> pitti: For Kubuntu we are short of anyone that can test wubi.
[03:56] <ScottK> The rest of the testing seems to be going well.
[04:21] <ScottK> slangasek: I just got the text mode splash (with the boxes) on shutdown after install.
[04:28] <ScottK> It was an install without a live session first, so that's not inconsistent with your theory.
[05:07] <slangasek> ScottK: ok, thanks for the data point
[05:08] <slangasek> I've just now managed to grab a process list from one of these shutdowns... ubiquity-dm still running for some reason even though the job is marked as stopped
[05:09] <slangasek> (and ubiquity-dm still running means X is still running, so that's the heart of the bug right there)
[05:10] <slangasek> as far as stowing images... which ones do you want stowed and for how long?
[05:10] <slangasek> I guess we don't need to worry about stowing until Thursday anyway, right?
[05:13] <pitti> slangasek: I'd like to upload a new ubuntu-defaults-builder to fix bug 869546; apparently lightdm's/unity-greeter's lightdm.conf handling changed rather late in the game, which broke setting the default session for ubuntu-defaults-builder
[05:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 869546 in ubuntu-defaults-builder (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "default session of ubuntu-2d doesn't work (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/869546
[05:13] <pitti> slangasek: and OEM needs that this week
[05:13] <pitti> it's not on any of the images, arch:all, and builds in a minute
[05:14] <pitti> I have a tested fix
[05:14] <pitti> slangasek: do you think that'd be ok?
[05:14] <ScottK> slangasek: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/oneiric-desktop-powerpc.iso would be the one.  And yes, not until Thursday.
[05:16] <ScottK> pitti: Since mlton is still building, I suspect it's OK.
[05:17] <ScottK> It won't be the driver for mirror sync.
[05:17] <pitti> thanks, I uploaded it now
[05:17] <ScottK> (unless of course it fails again)
[05:17] <ScottK> Either way it should be fine.
[05:18] <pitti> ah, gcc-snapshot built
[05:18] <ScottK> pitti: We did the first bit of kde 4.7.2 last night.  Please don't accept any of it to -proposed until it's all uploaded (one of us will let you know).
[05:18] <pitti> I'll copy to oneiric-final, as discussed yesterday
[05:18] <ScottK> Right.
[05:18] <pitti> ScottK: oh, oops
[05:18] <ScottK> It won't hurt.
[05:18] <ScottK> It's just kde4libs.
[05:19] <pitti> right; well, I guess it doesn't introduce any kind of incompatibility?
[05:19] <ScottK> No.
[05:19] <pitti> ok; if so, I can easily remove it from -proposed again
[05:19] <ScottK> It's SRU worthy per our microrelease exception.
[05:20] <ScottK> Did you accept your own upload?  I'm not seeing it in the queue?
[05:20] <pitti> ScottK: what, defaults-builder? It just hit the queue
[05:20] <ScottK> OK.
[05:20] <ScottK> I guess I'm impatient since it's late here.
[05:20] <pitti> waiting until it gets diffy before I pester the channel again
[05:20] <ScottK> Right.
[05:21] <pitti> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/ubuntu-defaults-builder/oneiric/revision/116
[05:21] <pitti> for pre-review
[05:21] <pitti> unity-greeter uses this script, too, and it works quite nicely for both existing and nonexisting lightdm.conf
[05:24] <pitti> doko_: FYI, gcc-snapshot moved from oneiric-proposed to oneiric-release
[05:24] <ScottK> OK.
[05:24] <ScottK> And we have a diff.
[05:25] <ScottK> pitti: Accepted.
[05:25] <pitti> cheers
[05:26] <ScottK> pitti: I won't have any wubi testers before (even potentially) US tomorrow.  If you could have a chat with jibel of one of the test people who have Windows to test with, I'd really appreciate it.
[05:27]  * ScottK needs to go crash.
[05:27] <pitti> ScottK: sure, will do
[05:27] <pitti> ScottK: sleep well!
[05:27] <ScottK> Thanks.
[07:41]  * NCommander shows signs of life
[08:28] <ev> I'd offer to help Wubi testing, but my VirtualBox instance seems to have eaten itself again. :-/
[08:33] <pitti> seems kubuntu wubi was successfully tested already
[11:04] <cjwatson> bug 322830 has recurred - ouch
[11:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 322830 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "remove /var/lib/dbus/machine-id from installed image (heat: 2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/322830
[11:04] <cjwatson> I think this is respin-worthy for live images, sadly
[11:05] <cjwatson> the more widespread images with this bug are, the more serious the consequences
[11:08] <stgraber> I marked all the images using a livefs as rebuilding
[11:09] <ogra_> did you include preinstalled ?
[11:10] <ogra_> not sure we have that bug, but we build a livefs
[11:10] <ogra_> (so i would assume we suffer from it too)
[11:11] <cjwatson> Adam is looking at it
[11:11] <cjwatson> I figure he'll think of that :)
[11:11] <ogra_> ah, k
[11:11] <ogra_> he surely will :)
[11:15] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah, I marked everything that uses live-build as being rebuilt
[11:15] <ogra_> k
[11:15]  * ogra_ knows tobin will love us :)
[11:15] <stgraber> ;)
[11:27] <cjwatson> so removing /var/lib/dbus/machine-id has a few side-effects
[11:28] <cjwatson> things like gsettings and fontconfig-voodoo fall over in casper, so I think casper needs to run dbus-uuidgen --ensure fairly early
[11:28] <cjwatson> infinity and stgraber are discussing whether preinstalled images are ok
[11:28] <cjwatson> and I think seem to reckon they are
[11:31] <davmor2> ogra_: Love yes that the word, honest.... hate and kill weren't the ones that sprang to mind at all :)
[11:31] <ogra_> LOL
[12:35] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/706676/
[12:36] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/706677/
[12:40] <Laney> ?
[12:41] <pitti> stgraber: what was wrong with the gsettings call?
[12:42] <seb128> pitti, I guess what cjwatson said an hour ago
[12:42] <pitti> the dbus machine ID?
[12:42] <pitti> aah
[12:42] <stgraber> pitti: we don't have dbus in casper
[12:42] <seb128> well just assuming from the log
[12:43] <pitti> I thought that was the part "we need to run dbus-uuidgen --ensure"
[12:48] <cjwatson> no the gsettings call was actually something else
[12:49] <cjwatson> turned out that it was broken before, even with the machine-id present
[12:49] <cjwatson> because dbus is not running at all during casper and cannot be launched
[12:49] <cjwatson> we should just not rely on dbus during casper - safer
[12:50] <pitti> ah -- funny that it seemed to have the intended effect anyway
[12:51] <pitti> perhaps the indicator now has its own way of not showing itself under a live session somehow
[12:51] <pitti> i. e. the user menu is hidden in current live system already
[12:51] <cjwatson> the user menu is, but the screensaver lock disablement was observed to fail
[12:51] <cjwatson> apparently the indicator doesn't show if you only have one user
[12:52] <infinity> The user menu appears to... What he said.
[12:52] <pitti> ah
[12:52] <infinity> It doesn't show up on stgrabers system either, because he has Guest disabled.
[12:52] <infinity> But who knows if they'll change that behaviour in the future. :P
[12:52] <cjwatson> if you actually looked at the gsettings key in the live session, it hadn't been set
[12:52] <stgraber> my guess is that it only shows up if you have more than one entry
[12:52] <stgraber> which you don't when guest session is disabled
[12:52] <pitti> that's right
[12:53] <cjwatson> having the screensaver lock on you during install is fairly nasty; it's unlockable if you happen to know the password but ...
[12:53] <cjwatson> now, this may be yet another bug, because ubiquity is supposed to poke the screensaver regularly during installation; but stgraber speculates that possibly this was at the end of the install, since an Edubuntu install takes 1.5 hours
[12:54] <ScottK> On my test installs of Kubuntu the screen would eventually shut off, but it would come back on without needing the password.
[13:09] <infinity> ScottK: Yeah, we correctly disable the kde screensaver.
[13:55] <ScottK> Do the Kuubntu images actually need respinning?
[13:56] <infinity> ScottK: To have the casper version in sync, yes.
[13:56] <ScottK> Do I care?
[13:57] <infinity> ScottK: It won't change anything for you, but it's bad form for the images to not match the archive, IMO.
[13:57] <infinity> ScottK: Oh, and you need the dbus fix.
[13:57] <ScottK> OK.
[13:57] <infinity> ScottK: So, yes.  You need a rebuild.
[13:57] <ScottK> Fine then.
[13:57] <ScottK> I was losing track.
[13:57] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:28] <Sjimmie> !timer
[14:29] <ubot4> Factoid 'timer' not found
[14:29] <Sjimmie> !countdown
[14:29] <ubot4> Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels. To countdown to Natty release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/744/detail/
[14:29] <cjwatson> respins in progress
[14:29] <ScottK> Sjimmie: This is a working channel.  Please don't mess around here.
[14:29]  * ogra_ guesses that will finally include preinstalled too for consistency ?
[14:29] <ogra_> (reading infinity's comment above)
[14:29] <Sjimmie> mybad
[14:29] <cjwatson> ogra_: yes
[14:29] <ogra_> k
[14:30] <cjwatson> and accidentally included core, although I didn't mean to, but infinity says he doesn't mind
[14:30] <ogra_> yeah
[14:30] <ogra_> the test casde is a joke anyway :)
[14:30] <ogra_> *case
[14:30] <ogra_> (untar, chroot, run apt-get)
[14:31] <slangasek> why did the tarball cross the road
[14:31] <ogra_> tell us :)
[14:32] <slangasek> so how's it going?  do we need to hustle some more American testing resources for today, or will the respins land early enough to get some testing at the release sprint today?
[14:36] <skaet> slangasek,  yes please
[14:36] <slangasek> ok
[14:36] <skaet> respins should be starting to emerge in the next 1/2 hour or so.
[14:36] <slangasek> do we have an ETA for the imageS?
[14:36]  * slangasek nods
[14:37] <skaet> will be emerging as the same order as the rebuild script on the pad
[14:42]  * highvoltage is almost tempted to suggest dropping DVDs for the next edubuntu release and only supporting usb images (dvd writing failure write is scarily high, at least for the machines / discs we have here)
[14:43] <highvoltage> s/write/rate/g
[14:43] <stgraber> highvoltage: well, we can just tell everyone to dd the .iso to a usb key. Doesn't cost anything to keep them as .iso on the server
[14:47]  * GrueMaster wakes up to a day of respins, groans and goes to find coffee.
[14:47] <highvoltage> GrueMaster: I tested some coffee this morning, and it was at least one thing this morning that was working great for me
[14:48] <GrueMaster> I think my coffee maker has an arm core.  It is a bit slow and doesn't multitask very well.
[14:54] <GrueMaster> Any eta on the new images?  Remember, it takes hours to download over the pond for me (even with zsync).
[14:56] <cjwatson> all I know is
[14:56] <cjwatson> server preinstalled
[14:56] <cjwatson> annonaceae.buildd starting at Wed Oct 12 14:40:22 UTC 2011
[14:56] <cjwatson> sycamore.buildd starting at Wed Oct 12 14:40:22 UTC 2011
[14:57] <cjwatson> unfortunately we seem to have lost timestamping in livefs build logs when we switched to live-build :-(
[14:58] <cjwatson> so I don't have good historical data on how long it takes
[14:58] <GrueMaster> Time is an illusion.  Lunchtime doubly so.
[14:59] <Riddell> stgraber: can you dd to usb drives now?
[14:59] <stgraber> Riddell: last I tried, yes, our .iso are hybrid
[15:02] <cjwatson> yes, as of 11.10
[15:02] <cjwatson> June or so
[15:17] <Riddell> nice, we should ensure docs are up to date on that so people make usb disks from non-ubuntu linux
[15:19] <GrueMaster> One thing I noticed on cdimage with the preinstalled images, there are two files required for imaging the AC100, but only one is in the MD5SUMS.  Can this be corrected?
[15:22] <cjwatson> is that the .bootimg file?
[15:23] <GrueMaster> yes
[15:23] <GrueMaster> And it is critical that it matches with the tar.gz as it contains the md5sum of the tar.gz file.
[15:25] <Daviey> utlemming: Hey, I assume /current AMI's have been posted to AWS.  When will they be changed private->public?
[15:26] <slangasek> cjwatson: what's the link to the Qin images?
[15:26] <Daviey> utlemming: A user reported they can see /current MAI's in us-east-1 - but not the other regions?
[15:26] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: fixed - will sync out when the next image rolls out
[15:26] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:26] <cjwatson> slangasek: http://china-images.ubuntu.com/oneiric/daily-live/current/
[15:26] <GrueMaster> cjwatson: Excellent, thanks.
[15:26] <slangasek> ta
[15:27] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: actually, that'll be a little while, so I've pushed it now
[15:27] <GrueMaster> Meh.  Still need to wait for the new images to finish rolling.
[15:28] <GrueMaster> Thanks, though.
[15:28] <cjwatson> server preinstalled seems fairly close to done
[15:55] <pitti> good night, time for some sports
[16:00] <infinity> pitti: 'Night.
[16:08] <utlemming> Daviey: that's odd
[16:08]  * utlemming checks on /current
[16:10] <smoser> current != 20111101
[16:10] <smoser> tested == 20111101
[16:11] <utlemming> Daviey: the release will go public when I get the go ahead to do so. The final images are not public
[16:11] <utlemming> Daviey: the user is not looking at http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/ which is where the releases will land
[16:14] <utlemming> Daviey: if they are not seeing current, my quess is that they are not using "--region ${REGION}"
[16:14] <utlemming> http://paste.ubuntu.com/706807/
[16:17] <Daviey> utlemming: thanks
[16:20] <Daviey> utlemming: wait, that is 20111012
[16:20] <Daviey> 20111011 is the release, right?
[16:20] <utlemming> Daviey: yup...give me a minute to post the correct ones :)
[16:20] <cjwatson> (PS isn't it cloud-images.ubuntu.com these days?)
[16:21] <Daviey> cjwatson: yes.
[16:21] <utlemming> cjwatson: both are active...I should be good boy and update my URL's
[16:21] <Daviey> smoser: you opened an RT for a redirect, right?
[16:21] <utlemming> cjwatson: both are active...I should be good boy and update my URL's
[16:21] <utlemming> Daviey: yes, cloud-images.ubuntu.com works
[16:21] <Daviey> yeah, sure - but i thought i read an RT for a redirect.
[16:22] <smoser> i've opened no such redirect.
[16:22] <Daviey> smoser: Hmm, /me greps logs
[16:24] <utlemming> http://paste.ubuntu.com/706812/
[17:15] <superm1> i just read in BT for -installer about an issue with /var/lib/dbus/machine-id being static in the rootfs.  are all ISOs getting a respin for this, or has it already happened?
[17:16] <infinity> superm1: It's in progress.
[17:16] <superm1> Ok thanks
[17:19] <ev> anyone want to step out for food and then come back? - http://paste.ubuntu.com/706851/
[17:45] <stgraber> diff from old i386 to new i386: http://paste.ubuntu.com/706870/
[17:47] <cjwatson> grub is driving me slowly insane
[17:47] <cjwatson> think I'll have to single-step this
[17:50] <slangasek> what's this?
[17:54] <GrueMaster> Any updates on the armel image rebuilds?  Server is tested, waiting for desktop.
[17:55] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: it's built the first pair of livefses and is working on the second pair; ETA about 40 minutes I think, maybe a bit more
[17:55] <cjwatson> guessing a bit there
[17:55] <GrueMaster> ok, thanks.
[17:55] <cjwatson> jamespage: is there a bug number for your grub raid failure?
[17:56] <cjwatson> slangasek: install on raid-1 of two disks, first boot works, also works if you pull the second disk, but if you pull the first disk then grub starts but crashes
[17:56] <cjwatson> looking like weird memory corruption somewhere
[17:56] <slangasek> hmm
[17:57] <slangasek> not planning to respin the world for that, are you?
[17:59] <cjwatson> no, it's SRU material
[17:59] <cjwatson> but I have the repro case in front of me and am trying to narrow it down while I do
[18:00] <cjwatson> and before I forget
[18:04]  * slangasek nods
[18:05] <jamespage> cjwatson: no - I can raise one now if that helps
[18:07] <jamespage> any package in particular I should be raising against? is it a grub issue?
[18:08] <cjwatson> grub2
[18:08] <cjwatson> it's absolutely a grub2 bug, it's crashing
[18:12] <cjwatson> I can reproduce it, I can reproduce it with added debugging code, I'm just getting insane output
[18:12] <cjwatson> as in a variable changing over the space of a few lines when it's not assigned to
[18:18] <jamespage> cjwatson: bug 873009
[18:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 873009 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "Unabled to boot degraded RAID-1 array from second disk (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873009
[18:20] <slangasek> -0001640 88 90 7c aa 97 1f 5c 56 fe 03 b7 69 e6 1e db 08
[18:20] <slangasek> +0001640 88 90 7c aa 97 1f 5c fb ff 07 b7 69 e6 1e db 08
[18:20] <slangasek> cjwatson: you read zlib fluently, right?  why's that word different? ;)
[18:20] <slangasek> well... half word
[18:21] <slangasek> (feel free to ignore in favor of grub, I'm just venting frustration :)
[18:22] <cjwatson> I have absolutely no idea :-)  It would be useful to know which bit of the structure that word's in (e.g. I suspect perhaps it's in the Huffman tree)
[18:23] <cjwatson> jamespage: ta
[18:24]  * slangasek nods
[18:24] <cjwatson> since a difference in an unused bit of the Huffman dictionary could produce no output difference
[18:24] <cjwatson> although why you might have anything unused in a compressed file ...
[18:25] <slangasek> yeah, I was thinking that a bit odd
[19:01] <Daviey> bdmurray: Hey, are you around?
[19:02] <bdmurray> Daviey: yes
[19:04] <Daviey> bdmurray: bug 870281, i noticed you touched it recently... can't that be forgotten now?
[19:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 870281 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 2 other projects) "installer crash when user choose to install additional software: http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>.orig.tar.gz doesn't exist (affects: 24) (dups: 24) (heat: 202)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/870281
[19:04] <Daviey> it's well past fixed, right?
[19:05] <bdmurray> Daviey: when I touched it I updated the description.  Some mirrors are out of date.
[19:06] <Daviey> bdmurray: they will be updated by release, no?
[19:06] <slangasek> they're supposed to be updated *hourly*
[19:06] <bdmurray> Daviey: aren't they already *days* behind
[19:06] <slangasek> so if they're out of date, assume they will remain so unless action is taken :)
[19:06] <Daviey> some mirrors only sync daily tho, right?
[19:06] <Daviey> but that package was fixed Friday.. we should be good now, surely?
[19:06] <bdmurray> but we aren't
[19:07] <bdmurray> I can provide you a test script if you'd like proof
[19:07] <Daviey> bdmurray: what mirror did you see that on?
[19:07] <bdmurray> Daviey: again its in the description
[19:07] <ScottK> Daviey: Why are release notes only for bugs?
[19:07] <bdmurray> wget -S http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-downloader_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1_i386.deb
[19:07] <bdmurray> that and es, no, se, si, and tr
[19:07] <bdmurray> will all 404
[19:07] <Daviey> ScottK: did i say they were?
[19:08] <ScottK> Daviey: Sorry.  Wrong Dave.
[19:08] <ScottK> No.  That was you.
[19:09] <cjwatson> wubi built; now waiting for arms
[19:09] <ScottK> Daviey: Bug 840135
[19:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 840135 in software-properties (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "oneiric-backports enabled by default in software-properties (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840135
[19:09] <Daviey> ScottK: there is no changed user behavior, why does it need to be mentioned?
[19:09] <ScottK> Daviey: The point is that it looks like it will.
[19:10] <ScottK> Ask yourself why the user filed the bug.
[19:10] <ScottK> I think it's a reasonable point to document.
[19:11] <Daviey> ScottK: if you think so, feel free to re-enable it.. it just seems like if we documented everything like that, it would be a large book.
[19:11]  * Laney doesn't like the "nothing to fear here" tone of the proposed text, but I think release noting it is reasonable.
[19:12] <ScottK> Laney: Feel free to improve it.
[19:12] <ScottK> That was what I could think of.
[19:13] <Laney> hmm.
[19:14] <Daviey> I really don't think we have 45 bugs which require release notes TBH.
[19:14] <Laney> I just want to say something about how it's a safe way to get new stuff
[19:14] <Daviey> ah, some of them are really old.
[19:17] <micahg> I think the backports issue definitely should be release noted, if people don't understand it's pinned lower and won't pull in anything unwanted, they might turn it off out of fear
[19:20]  * Laney wonders how many people go around disabling things on their system out of fear
[19:20] <Laney> "at least one"?
[19:21] <ScottK> cf the long thread on the Ayatana list re music search.
[19:22] <Daviey> I don't feel too strongly either way, but i am leaning towards it being noise.
[19:22] <micahg> Laney: it's a new "feature" of oneiric as a release, that alone should warrent it being release noted
[19:22] <Laney> yes
[19:22] <Laney> I want it to be presented in that way though
[19:23] <micahg> ah, ok
[19:23] <Daviey> Feature rather than a Known Issue.
[19:23] <Laney> not in a "don't fear, we do not want to break your system" way
[19:23] <micahg> yes, makes sense
[19:23] <Laney> why is my computer making a scary noise?
[19:24] <Laney> where are the release notes being staged?
[19:26] <Daviey> Laney: they are not yet, i'm going through them as bugs at the moment - taking out ones which should have been dropped at prior release time.
[19:27] <Laney> ok
[19:27] <Laney> just wanted to see what kind of tone to take
[19:28] <Daviey> Laney: so skaet might correct me, but i think it needs to go onto https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview , and from that - a smaller note will be created based on the vital things.
[19:28] <Laney> yes, i am looking at that
[19:29] <Laney> this could go into new features?
[19:29] <Daviey> works for me
[19:30] <Daviey> "Backports now more accessible"
[19:34] <Laney> is my new wording any better?
[19:39] <slangasek> Daviey: what are the criteria for these "smaller" release notes?  Because up to this week, skaet has been asking for more detail rather than less
[19:39] <slangasek> on that page
[19:41] <Daviey> slangasek: No, i just meant the very minimal "here it is"
[19:42] <slangasek> ah
[20:02] <slangasek> cjwatson: are hybrid CD/USB images new this cycle?  there's a stub for it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_Common_Infrastructure... I thought those landed earlier
[20:03] <Daviey> Does anyone object if i Invalid all ubuntu-release-note bugs which were raised before Oneiric?
[20:03] <cjwatson> slangasek: new this cycle, yes - June
[20:04] <slangasek> cjwatson: ah, alright.  Anything particular you want said there? ):
[20:04] <slangasek> :)
[20:05] <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-June/033495.html
[20:05] <cjwatson> I'm happy to write something up tomorrow
[20:05] <cjwatson> or you can cull from that post
[20:05] <slangasek> I'll do the latter
[20:07] <slangasek> Daviey: how are you determining which ones were raised before oneiric?  the bug number doesn't tell you when it was raised against the release notes
[20:07] <cjwatson> right.  beer
[20:07] <Daviey> slangasek: when the bug task was added.
[20:07] <Daviey> the release-notes task
[20:08] <slangasek> Daviey: right; seems like a lot of work to even determine that
[20:08] <micahg> Daviey: might want to just make sure none affect 10.04.4
[20:09]  * Daviey drops it and hits the pub.
[20:10] <Laney> much more sensible
[20:45] <ev> elmo: We're going to fix it tomorrow, but wubi disk image downloads are currently hardcoded to cdimage. We won't need to respin CDs for this, as Wubi on the CD won't need an image download.
[20:45] <ev> We will need to resign though.
[20:45]  * elmo twitches
[20:45] <elmo> ev: ok
[20:46] <slangasek> ev: (ah, I'll grab you here instead ;)  how does ubiquity currently select its mirror?
[20:47] <elmo> slangasek: country + $CC.archive.u.c ?
[20:47] <ev> apt-setup does it
[20:47] <elmo> (I don't know how it determines country these days, but I assume it involves geo*.ubuntu.com)
[20:47] <ev> Yes
[20:48] <slangasek> ev: specifically, trying to understand the impact of bug #870281 and mirrors, and if it always points to cc.archive.u.c
[20:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 870281 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 2 other projects) "installer crash when user choose to install additional software: http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>.orig.tar.gz doesn't exist (affects: 24) (dups: 24) (heat: 202)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/870281
[20:48] <slangasek> to make sure that cleaning up the cc list is sufficient
[20:48] <doko_> slangasek, cjwatson: when do you expect to open pedantic tomorrow?
[20:48] <elmo> slangasek: yes, it will be
[20:48] <doko_> ehh, precise
[20:49] <slangasek> doko_: haha
[20:49] <slangasek> doko_: I don't know if we have an expected timeline on that
[20:49] <slangasek> elmo: ok, just making sure :)
[20:50] <cjwatson> slangasek: yes, cleaning up cc.* will be sufficient
[20:50] <slangasek> good, good
[20:50] <cjwatson> doko_: my guess is starting around 3pm, but it's just a wild guess
[20:50] <doko_> ok, thanks
[20:51] <cjwatson> I'll update you tomorrow
[20:51] <doko_> I'll be around until 17:30 UTC. will email you what is prepared/needs uploads
[20:52] <slangasek> cjwatson: were you planning to take care of the dpkg merge for the buildflags stuff?  seems like that's probably important to get in early, not sure whose list it's on
[20:52] <cjwatson> yes, I was planning to tackle that tomorrow morning
[20:52] <slangasek> ok
[20:53] <cjwatson> should've done it today really, but
[20:53] <slangasek> ah, it's in the wiki page
[20:53] <doko_> mu suggestion was to keep the current behaviour for p
[20:53] <cjwatson> buxy has an updated multiarch branch, yes?
[20:53] <cjwatson> I agree with doko
[20:54] <slangasek> right, I agree with the plan of record (er, maybe the plan of IRC log) - keep exporting the variables from dpkg-buildpackage, but also make sure dpkg-buildflags is DTRT
[20:54] <slangasek> I believe buxy is keeping the multiarch branch current
[20:55]  * skaet --> leaving office,  back online a bit later.
[20:55] <slangasek> fwiw, I've been aggressively converting my own packages to dpkg-buildflags in Debian... samba is hardened this way, openldap is RSN
[20:56] <micahg> the xfce packages are being hardened the new way as well
[20:56] <mdeslaur> slangasek: we could always pocket copy the flash 11 package to the -security pocket also, assuming the installer has security.u.c turned on during installation
[20:56] <slangasek> mdeslaur: out-of-date mirrors are a pretty fundamental issue anyway
[20:57] <mdeslaur> slangasek: ok
[20:57] <slangasek> that's a good idea as a fallback if we need it, but I'd rather we just let IS get on with fixing the root issue first
[20:57] <cjwatson> slangasek: converting> me too
[21:17] <GrueMaster> cjwatson:  md5sum mismatch with http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/20111012/oneiric-preinstalled-desktop-armel+ac100.bootimg.
[21:18] <GrueMaster> everything else in that directory matches ok.
[21:21]  * slangasek has a look
[21:22] <slangasek> well, that's not good
[21:23] <slangasek> GrueMaster: I can confirm that it's also broken on the server; the md5sum I get is b8e73f114548af51edcc87c6297a4791, which is not what's listed in MD5SUMS
[21:24] <slangasek> but the file is older than the sums data, so... not sure how that happened
[21:24] <GrueMaster> I'll check the bootimg file.  It contains the md5sum of the tar file, which makes it critical to be in sync.
[21:27] <slangasek> GrueMaster: if it doesn't match up, let me know and I'll work out how to rebuild the bootimg
[21:28] <slangasek> (dunno how long that takes...)
[21:28] <GrueMaster> ok.  One sec.
[21:29]  * slangasek looks askance at bug #873080
[21:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 873080 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Splash screen not loading (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873080
[21:29] <slangasek> 3-4 years?  really?
[21:30] <GrueMaster> Looks to be the correct bootimg, md5sum just didn't get updated properly.
[21:30] <slangasek> GrueMaster: ok, I'll update the checksums files - thanks
[21:36] <slangasek> GrueMaster: updated and pushed
[21:37] <GrueMaster> Tested:  Passed.   Thanks, slangasek
[23:23] <elmo> 23:20 < DarrenS> elmo: those mirrors all look ok
[23:23] <elmo> slangasek: ^-- rest of $cc.archive.u.c
[23:23] <elmo> fwiw
[23:23] <slangasek> elmo: alright, thanks :)


[01:55]  * GatoLoko^ recuerda que esta a punto de cambiar la hora
[01:57] <GatoLoko^> sorry, that wasn't intended to reach this channel
[01:58] <cjb_ie> GatoLoko^: in ireland, it's going back an hour, 3 minutes from now.
[01:58] <GatoLoko^> cjb_ie same here in spain
[01:00] <GatoLoko^> 2:50 + 1 = 2:00
[01:00] <GatoLoko^> 2:59
[09:46] <GamingX> .quit
[09:54] <goodhabit> Sorry, what is actually is ubuntu-classroom?
[12:52] <Ertorito> join #ubuntu-ar
[18:46] <SudoKing> this is boring
[18:46] <SudoKing> talk!
[18:53] <SudoKing> Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[19:03] <popey> SudoKing: the open week finished yesterday
[19:16] <SudoKing> but this is so boring
[19:24] <popey> what is SudoKing ?
[19:24] <popey> feel free to leave
[19:25] <SudoKing> Sudo is linux command meaning "superuser do"
[19:25] <popey> no
[19:25] <popey> I said "what is SudoKing?"
[19:25] <popey> after you said "this is so boring"
[19:26] <popey> meaning, "what is so boring?"
[19:26] <SudoKing> that no one talks
[19:26] <popey> i did explain why
[19:26] <popey> the class has finished for now
[19:26] <SudoKing> what's a clas?
[19:26] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek read that
[19:28] <SudoKing> so you mean its just one week and that's it?
[19:28] <popey> there was a week yes
[19:29] <SudoKing> so this channel's done? :(
[19:29] <popey> not really, there will be more
[19:29] <popey> just not right now
[19:43] <nalioth> SudoKing: many Ubuntu projects use this channel as a classroom
[19:51] <SudoKing> what ubuntu projects
[19:51] <SudoKing> huh?


[17:05] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230626)


[14:29] <cpaelzer> pre-ping for MIR ddstreet doko sarnold didrocks jamespage
[14:29]  * cpaelzer lights a multi-dimensional campfire (for those with flooding it is warm and dry, for those with heat issues it is a cooling fire, for everyone else it is whatever they need)
[14:30] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started at 14:30:25 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[14:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[14:30] <cpaelzer> no old actions to look at
[14:30] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[14:30] <didrocks> hey
[14:30] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:30] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:31] <sarnold> good morning
[14:31] <cpaelzer> hiho
[14:31] <sarnold> I like this multidimensional fire idea
[14:31] <cpaelzer> these seem to contain the same as recently
[14:31] <cpaelzer> let us check the status
[14:31] <cpaelzer> fence-agents still on security via https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fence-agents/+bug/1927004
[14:32] <cpaelzer> cherrypy on jamespage
[14:32] <cpaelzer> oh this one
[14:32] <cpaelzer> screen-resolution-extra -> policykit-1-gnome
[14:32] <didrocks> this is an alternative, I remember we used to have already c-m picking the wrong one and we had to workaroudn it, but did anyone of you remember what we did exactly?
[14:32] <cpaelzer> didrocks: you said last week you wanted to take a loolk
[14:32] <didrocks> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/544364041/screen-resolution-extra_0.18build2_0.18.1.diff.gz
[14:32] <cpaelzer> look
[14:32] <didrocks> it’s fullfiled by gnome-shell already
[14:33] <cpaelzer> ok so we consider this done and it will vanish from this view in some time
[14:33] <cpaelzer> thanks didrocks
[14:33] <didrocks> cpaelzer: no no
[14:33] <didrocks> it’s not done
[14:33] <cpaelzer> oh
[14:33] <didrocks> the issue is triggered by this diff
[14:33] <cpaelzer> then I misinerpreted "fulfilled"
[14:33] <cpaelzer> oh I see
[14:33] <cpaelzer> thanks
[14:33] <didrocks> and this diff is for every flavor not picking up gnome-shell
[14:33] <didrocks> so, the issue is in component-mismatch
[14:34] <didrocks> and I don’t remember how we workarounded it in other cases in the past…
[14:34] <sarnold> I think "oh that's a holdovre from..."
[14:34] <sarnold> (like terminator, esmtp, etc)
[14:35] <didrocks> yeah
[14:35] <cpaelzer> yes
[14:35] <cpaelzer> + policykit-1-gnome | gnome-shell | polkit-1-auth-agent,
[14:35] <cpaelzer> ok I'll try to remember this is part of that group
[14:35] <cpaelzer> thanks for checking didrocks
[14:35] <didrocks> yw
[14:35] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[14:35] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:35] <cpaelzer> still no action by doko on flashrom/libftdi :-/
[14:36] <cpaelzer> I'll contact him and matt offline via a mail
[14:36]  * didrocks is surprised on busybox not being in main…
[14:36] <cpaelzer> as I'd love to get it out of this stage in some way (continue or abort it)
[14:36] <cpaelzer> didrocks: lets us talk about busybox
[14:36] <cpaelzer> I guess we can agree and promite it right away
[14:36] <cpaelzer> TL;DR busyboy is in main, this is about an extra binary from the src package to be promoted
[14:37] <cpaelzer> Usually people ask that on the old MIR bugs
[14:37] <cpaelzer> but this one is so old, it has no MIR bug
[14:37] <sarnold> I wouldn't be surprised if there's outstanding cves in busybox that we've ignored, something like their tools for downloading files don't check tls certificates..
[14:37] <didrocks> ah ack only one binary missing, I was wondering for a while with what I was playing after happy testing in casper :p
[14:38] <cpaelzer> sarnold: why would those have been ignroed?
[14:38] <cpaelzer> as far as I ahve looked it seems to be a differnt build from the same source
[14:38] <cpaelzer> so no "new code" to be promoted
[14:38] <cpaelzer> I'd like to understand why in this scenario CVEs would have been ignored, to get a feeling if this needs only MIR ack or also security re-review
[14:38] <didrocks> yeah, it’s only the dynamic linking (the static is in main) if I read the MIR correctly
[14:39] <cpaelzer> yes didrocks - that should be it
[14:39] <sarnold> cpaelzer: because busybox is often used in environments where 'the usual things' are broken / missing / intentionally unavailable
[14:39] <cpaelzer> ah but now you could use it in "others environments"
[14:39] <sarnold> yeah
[14:39] <cpaelzer> and that might change the attack surface
[14:39] <cpaelzer> ok thanks
[14:40] <cpaelzer> I think this is a trivial review from the MIR POV (nt a full one), but a more coplex one from the security side then
[14:40] <didrocks> looks like it
[14:40] <sarnold> heh, alas yes..
[14:40] <cpaelzer> but since this is a server case I'd want to ask if someone else could do the MIR-check on this
[14:40] <cpaelzer> to not look like special-case-self-signed-off
[14:40] <cpaelzer> since no one but the three of us seem available, would you didrocks be able to do that MIR check there?
[14:41] <cpaelzer> and then probably assign it to security to get thie rre-eval?
[14:41] <didrocks> cpaelzer: will do
[14:41] <cpaelzer> oh btw #action cpaelzer to clarify libftdi with matt/doko
[14:41] <cpaelzer> #action cpaelzer to clarify libftdi with matt/doko
[14:41] <meetingology> ACTION: cpaelzer to clarify libftdi with matt/doko
[14:41] <cpaelzer> thanks didrocks
[14:41] <cpaelzer> that gets us to the next agenda item
[14:41] <didrocks> yw!
[14:42] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:42] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:42] <cpaelzer> sdl is me, that will soon be ready for promotion
[14:42] <cpaelzer> no action needed
[14:42] <doko> o/
[14:42] <cpaelzer> flatpack ...
[14:42] <cpaelzer> reading
[14:42] <cpaelzer> oh we marked it incomplete last week
[14:42] <cpaelzer> ok nothing new
[14:42] <cpaelzer> welcome doko
[14:43] <cpaelzer> before I send you a mail doko, would you this week have time to resolve flashrom/libftdi ?
[14:43] <cpaelzer> I have asked a few weeks in a row and some way it should get off our incoming list
[14:43] <doko> right, it should be updated, fwupd needs a dependency
[14:43] <cpaelzer> I've outlined it a few times already, it is about a non MIR-team evaluation wihch seems "approved" by you
[14:44] <doko> yes, but I don't want to see it. fwupd needs to build with that support. waiting for an upload now
[14:45] <cpaelzer> an upload of fwupd to pull it in?
[14:45] <doko> yes
[14:46] <doko> jawn-smith working on it
[14:46] <cpaelzer> so this was an approval by you then back on 2021-03-11
[14:47] <cpaelzer> if you could confirm this now that would be helpful, then I could do an update and set the bug to the right states
[14:48] <jawn-smith> o/ I can do upload a change with a dependency
[14:49] <jawn-smith> s/do//
[14:49] <cpaelzer> jawn-smith: I was mostly concerned because the bug looked like needing a review still
[14:49] <cpaelzer> this is now clarified and I have updated the bug
[14:49] <cpaelzer> you can do the upload now and then promotion to main can happen
[14:49] <cpaelzer> and it is by now gone from the MIR-team incoming queue
[14:50] <cpaelzer> Thanks for all the clarifications, we look good again now ...
[14:50] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[14:50] <jawn-smith> excellent, thanks!
[14:50] <cpaelzer> nothing from me
[14:50] <sarnold> \o/
[14:50] <sarnold> nothing from me
[14:50] <didrocks> nothing either
[14:55] <cpaelzer> ok timeout :-)
[14:55] <cpaelzer> see you all next week then
[14:55] <sarnold> woot, thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[14:55] <cpaelzer> thanks
[14:55] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[14:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 14:55:43 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-06-29-14.30.moin.txt
[14:55] <didrocks> see you o/
[18:57] <cyphermox> o/
[18:57] <rbasak> o/
[19:04] <rbasak> mdeslaur: around?
[19:04] <rbasak> vorlon?
[19:04]  * rbasak doesn't see sil2100 here
[19:19]  * rbasak goes back to his evening


[13:38] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks
[15:10] <akgraner> pleia2, I plan on working on UWN Saturday night - so I don't have to worry about anything but edits on Sunday and we can publish *before* the start of UDS on Monday... thanks of adding stuff