[00:24] <adam4567> I'm on Ubuntu 18.04, a software I have calls /bin/csh  so, could I install that beside bash, and leave bash as is, as the default start-up shell? I feel aliasing csh to bash would be sure wrong.
[00:27] <oerheks> sudo usermod -s <shell> <username> # change your default shell for your user
[00:30] <sarnold> adam4567: yes, you can install csh alongside bash just fine
[00:31] <adam4567> oerheks: I suppose its not much different, csh or bash. I'd like to stick with bash
[00:31] <sarnold> adam4567: and you're completely right ;) if you try to symlink one to the other, you're going to make all kinds of horrible problems. you'd be booting to single-user mode to fix it. :)
[00:31] <adam4567> sarnold: thanks, will look at install not switch csh to user default
[00:32] <adam4567> Its only in 4 places in the code as "/bin/csh" suppose I could replace with "/bin/bash"
[00:32] <sarnold> what are you doing?
[00:33] <adam4567> sarnold: its sbcl Lisp stuff, as (sb-ext:run-program "/bin/csh" (list "-fc" cmd)
[00:33] <sarnold> OH GOD
[00:33] <sarnold> that's .. wow :)
[00:34] <adam4567> easily done, but installing a passive csh might work also
[00:34] <sarnold> adam4567: seriously though, if that's what you're solving, a simple "apt install csh" will do the trick
[00:34] <adam4567> sarnold: thanks. Might (cautiously) try. Beaut.
[00:34] <sarnold> I thought for a bit you might be wanting to use csh yourself for a CS class where the slides were written in 1993 and the prof wasn't about to update them or something
[00:35] <adam4567> Probably old software, its true.
[00:36] <adam4567> Now, the working difference between csh and bash, I can look into in my own time
[00:37] <sarnold> adam4567: a lot of csh users moved to tcsh somewhere along the way; I don't know what features it offered over csh
[00:38] <adam4567> sarnold: yes, have seen tcsh mentioned alot. Not sure I want to spend time there.
[00:38] <adam4567> installed csh now. Will log out and in, and see how we go.
[00:39] <sarnold> adam4567: probably nothing will change (and nothing needs to change)
[00:39] <sarnold> adam4567: you don't need to *switch* to it to make this lispy thing work
[00:40] <adam4567> sarnold: works perfectly. Log out and in is to check it hasn't switched to default. Looks good so far. Beaut!
[00:40] <sarnold> aha :)
[00:40] <adam4567> cheers folks. Simple, comprehensible fix the best.
[00:41] <sarnold> every now and then I get the urge to try out one of the fancy new shells.. like https://elv.sh/ or https://fishshell.com/
[00:48] <adam4567> its difficult not to be a heavy shell user, for us Linux folk. I recently did a TeamViewer thing with a friend on his Win10 machine.  He'd never seen command prompt stuff before. Yes, will stick with bash for now.
[00:58] <codeguru> windows cmd? Bah, I hate it. It's so restrictive
[00:59] <EggSpurt> guys LAST TIME I install 20 my battery stopped charging and I had to sdend my laptop for repair, is there some bug or was this just a normal hardwares failure? HP did not specify the cause they just sent the laptop back with a new mb
[01:00] <EggSpurt> anyone heard anything about that?
[01:02] <sarnold> a friend just had a similar problem with his lenovo; something broke with the charging capability, he's got to send it back for repairs. it'll be forever before he gets it back
[01:03] <EggSpurt> had he used Ubuntu 20.04?
[01:03] <EggSpurt> its either 20.04 or could be that i charged my juul device
[01:04] <EggSpurt> its more likely charging the juul broke the charging circuit right? I mean the firmwarez dont get messed with when you upgrade
[01:05] <EggSpurt> I want to install Focal Fossa so bad but I am scared
[01:05] <EggSpurt> what if i break moms laptop again
[01:05] <oerheks> oh, juul is known for issues.
[01:05] <EggSpurt> aha! I knew it
[01:05] <EggSpurt> doing release upgrade
[01:06] <EggSpurt> I dont wanna mess up again she gets mad as hell if sahe cant check her mesgs on Plenty of fish
[01:07] <EggSpurt> hopefully she will find me a new dad soon and i wont have to worry about things like this
[01:08] <sarnold> no, I think my friend is using arch on that system
[01:08] <sarnold> yeah I'd be very careful plugging cheap devices into expensive devices :)
[01:09] <sarnold> wall chargers are cheap and while they are *also* terrible, you might be able to yank them out of the wall before they start a house fire.. but a laptop, well, that could be killed before you know anything's wrong
[01:10] <EggSpurt> I'd probably just install windows 10 again but the last time i did it just sat there for 3 days updating, like it was in a fugue state
[01:10] <EggSpurt> it actually downloaded a new windows 10 image
[01:12] <codeguru> EggSpurt: Why bother with Win10, instead of Ubuntu or Mint or something?
[01:12] <EggSpurt> some of my ham radio stuff wont run right on wine
[01:13] <codeguru> You made it platform-dependent?
[01:14] <EggSpurt> proscan.org for one, which serves a shoutcast server so we can hear the police scanner on our phones
[01:20] <codeguru> EggSpurt: Why not use a VM?
[01:21] <codeguru> That way you don't have to go through the trouble of installing an entirely new OS on the metal
[01:43] <swift110> good idea codeguru
[01:50] <halvors> How can i make ubuntu onlock all entries in /etc/crypttab?
[01:50] <halvors> Before mounting the filesystems.
[01:50] <halvors> I have a multidevice btrfs filesystem spanning different luks partitions.
[02:14] <halvors> I need to make Ubuntu decrypt my luks partitions in /etc/crypttab before trying to mount the root filesystem. How can i do this? The case is that i have a btrfs multidevice setup.
[03:00] <jimklo_> Not sure where to ask this question, but figure someone here might have the answer.... I'm trying to mirror my local workspace to a remote server using rsync, however I need permissions preserved. Some files need to be set read only.  I can sync the first time, however subsequent times rsync fails on all the read-only files on the destination; which I just want to overwrite and reset read-only.  Is there some combinatio
[03:00] <jimklo_> n of flags to rsync that I need to pass to make this work?
[03:27] <pavlos> jimklo_: -a (archive) -p (preserve)
[03:29] <lestac> I have a random resets in ethernet connection, this can be a problem in the cable, router, or computer?
[03:30] <codeguru> It can be a problem in all 3. Details, details
[03:31] <jimklo_> pavlos: hmm... thats what I have.... and it doesn't work... however I think I know the problem... one of the directories on the remote system needs to be owned by a non-standard group (so docker can write into it)... I think what's happening is as I'm on mac locally, remote is Ubuntu... local ownership is login:staff, remote ownership is login:othergroup, file perms are a+r,-wx
[03:35] <lestac> codeguru i usiny normally, and after 2-3 minutes, they reset and don't have internet for 5-6 seconds
[03:35] <lestac> using*
[03:36] <pavlos> lestac: is computer overheating?
[03:39] <lestac> pavlos think not, psu don't have high air
[03:39] <lestac> i have the same problem in another devir connected, a notebook
[03:39] <jimklo_> lestac: is this a "new" problem? e.g. did something change in your setup and this started happening? EFI from cheap cables can cause this sort of thing..
[03:40] <codeguru> lestac: my gut's telling me it's a router issue. If both devices are randomly disconnecting, that seems like a software issue
[03:42] <lestac> jimklo_ think after happen with another cable, old code probabbly
[03:42] <lestac> codeguru software in router?
[03:43] <jimklo_> lestac: router could be an issue, but if this all of a sudden happened and nothing changed at the router... likely not the router...
[03:44] <jimklo_> however do you know that there is internet on the wan side of the router?
[03:44] <codeguru> lestac: more like a configuration
[03:45] <lestac> the router is new, we ask the change team for a week or two. From the first moment began to restart the connection sporadically now that I remember
[03:46] <jimklo_> ah.. the router is likely the issue then.
[03:53] <lestac> codeguru I don't know much of networking, but I can go to <IP_ADDRESS> and check a couple of settings, could be something there?
[04:41] <lestac> well, probabbly it's a problem with cable
[04:41] <lestac> i try another and work fine
[06:17] <FaTaL_G> hey all
[06:18] <mohavy> hello
[06:18] <FaTaL_G> I'm having issues on basic updates/upgrades
[06:18] <FaTaL_G> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t496GQVjTM/
[06:18] <FaTaL_G> not sure why headers never updates?
[06:18] <mohavy> ppft I don’t know a thing about linux troubleshooting
[06:19] <FaTaL_G> I'm thinking its broken in an update thread/ppa?
[06:21] <mohavy> Have you tried Google perhaps?
[06:38] <ducasse> FaTaL_G: try 'sudo apt install linux-headers-generic' first
[06:52] <echelon> HI
[06:53] <echelon> i'm trying to do a 2 server OpenLDAP multi-master setup
[06:53] <echelon> but all the documentation seems to be out of date
[06:53] <echelon> is there anything close to official on setting this up?
[06:55] <ducasse> echelon: try #ubuntu-server
[07:26] <pmjdebruijn> does anybody know whether there is an alternate server install iso for 20.04 available yet (even if alpha)
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> pmjdebruijn: come join in #ubuntu+1 for 20.04 support please
[07:54] <zero01> ok
[08:27] <phobosoph> hi
[08:27] <phobosoph> so the eth0 is now ens3, right?
[08:27] <phobosoph> but why is it ens3 or ens33? because even when I set netplan up to use eth0 instead, there is still an ens3
[08:27] <phobosoph> is ens3 the default in ubuntu?
[08:28] <phobosoph> or is it ens33? or is this a random number thing?
[08:28] <phobosoph> :/
[08:49] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys to upgrade ubuntu versions do i just change the sources 2) backu p my home directory 3) run apt-get update && upgrade + dist-upgrade?
[08:52] <phobosoph> hi
[08:52] <phobosoph> anyone here? :)
[08:53] <mrmime> Yup
[09:04] <viktor_> phobosoph: yes, you :p
[09:05] <phobosoph> mrmime, viktor_: is the IPv6 subnet the same as the prefix? somehow?
[09:06] <viktor_> phobosoph: prefix of what?
[09:07] <phobosoph> hmm
[09:07] <phobosoph> when I use netplan and set gateway6, can I force the interface?
[09:16] <patafix> Hello everyone. I have a friend who deleted by mistake wireless-tools and wireless-regdb and can't connect to wifi - or ethernet line which is weird. Now, I'm trying to simply download the .deb packages from packages.ubuntu.com and pass it to her so that she can install them from a usb drive or something, but I can't find .deb packages on the website
[09:31] <patafix> is there any way to download the deb files? I'm from debian 10, so I can't just apt download them
[09:32] <unixfu-> why can't you apt download them from debian 10?
[09:33] <unixfu-> apt-get or apt should suffice, it's still there, or no connectivity or you referring to the recent exploitz put into package systems
[09:33] <unixfu-> ?!??????!
[09:34] <Mathisen> patafix, what ubuntu version
[09:41] <patafix> Mathisen, eoan 19.10
[09:46] <Mathisen> patafix, https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/wireless-tools
[09:47] <patafix> Thanks Mathisen
[09:47] <Mathisen> and https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/wireless-regdb
[09:53] <eeos> hi everyone. Anyone using the bubbleupnpserver?
[09:53] <unixfu-> no
[09:54] <Mathisen> eeos, better if you ask the real question, people tend to answer better then
[09:57] <zero01> ok bos
[10:09] <jphdotam> After using the system normally for a week, my system now hangs when I type my password on the login screen (the text box disappears but then immediately becomes unresponsive with the maroon background). I can't move the mouse, or switch to another TTY with ctrl+alt+<number>. CTRL+ALT+DEL restarts the system but that's it
[10:09] <jphdotam> The only way I can find to make the system usable is getting GRUB to load the system in level 3, then switching loggin in as myself in text mode, and then running 'startx'
[10:13] <Kingsy> if I have weird issues where all of a sudden I cant ping google.com after I connect to a VPN, but I can do other things, what is the best thing to check? does ubuntu still use iptables?
[10:13] <Kingsy> or ufw or something?
[10:15] <Bluerate> hello all, I need vpn for my local machine ubuntu 18.04 .. tried openvpn but doesn't work.. could you recommend any free vpn ??
[10:15] <halvors> Um, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS just uninstalled the only installed kernel, what do i do?
[10:15] <eeos> Mathisen: I installed it and configured on our internal home network. I was hoping to be able to streamm music across the home network, but the main receiver (Marantz NR1200) does not recognise it. Yet, if I run Kodi for example, it does see the machine.
[10:16] <akem> Kingsy, I would expect the other way around, you can ping google but not other things. Anyway i would check my DNS, try <IP_ADDRESS> with this one you sure can ping google.
[10:17] <eeos> Mathisen: what I am looking for is a very light server than can server music and sound files on the internal network, without necessarily indexing them
[10:17] <akem> Bluerate, OpenVPN should work, what's wrong with it?
[10:18] <akem> Bluerate, Maybe you're looking for a VPN service provider? In that case it's not free most of the time. ExpressVPN, NordVPN, ...
[10:18] <akem> Bluerate, There is this project also, not sure if it works atm: https://freepn.com/
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> halvors: 20.04 support in #ubuntu+1 plz
[10:25] <Bluerate> akem: need only vpn for my local machine that's all
[10:25] <Bluerate> akem: I tried vpnbook with openvpn but doesn't work
[10:26] <Bluerate> akem: also, someone from community recommends simple script https://github.com/angristan/openvpn-install but doesn't work also
[10:31] <akem> Bluerate, Like i said VPNs aren't free. You may be able to use Tor tho.
[10:33] <Bluerate> akem: just free one
[10:34] <Bluerate> do you know OpenVPN configuration that's should work ?
[10:36] <Bey0ndB1nary> is it possible to buy a VPN by paying cash / Bitcoin ?
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> !ot | Bey0ndB1nary
[10:37] <Bey0ndB1nary> Ok Sure.
[10:38] <Bluerate> Bey0ndB1nary: it's impossible in Sudan to make electronic money transactions
[10:41] <EriC^^> Bluerate: i find that hard to believe
[10:43] <Bluerate> EriC^^: what do you mean?
[10:45] <akem> But he is in India.
[10:49] <Bey0ndB1nary> OK Bluerate
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:51] <eeos> Hy everybody! I am looking for is a very light server than can server music and sound files on the internal network, without necessarily indexing them
[10:51] <eeos> As light as possible ...,
[10:54] <patafix> Hello everyone. A friend of mine with ubuntu 19.10 has somehow managed to break her network, both wifi and ethernet, and I can't understand what the problem is. Could you hint me in the right debug direction?
[11:15] <max12345> hey all, I just installed windows 10, but grub doesn't find it. os-prober doesn't find it that is. what to do?
[11:20] <BluesKaj> max12345, try running sudo update-grub
[11:20] <EriC^^> max12345: type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' paste the link here
[11:21] <EriC^^> max12345: also 'ls /sys/firmware/efi' does it give dirs or no such dir?
[11:21] <MonkeyDust> !grubrepair | patafix
[11:22] <EriC^^> MonkeyDust: i think that was meant for max12345 ?
[11:22] <MonkeyDust> EriC^^: true :)
[11:22] <EriC^^> :)
[11:22] <MonkeyDust> !grubrepair | max12345
[11:23] <EriC^^> patafix: you could try asking in ##networking as well if nobody answers here, or ##linux perhaps
[11:24] <patafix> MonkeyDust, thanks, but I do not have any grub problem...
[11:24] <patafix> EriC^^, thanks, I'll give a try over there too!
[11:25] <max12345> ok, thank you, the command you linked,should that retunr a link?
[11:25] <max12345> also I thought to update and upgrade apt
[11:25] <EriC^^> max12345: yeah
[11:26] <max12345> and that brought me to some grub config thing where it says grub is no longer properly installed
[11:26] <max12345> but I'm not sure how to select a drive for installation?
[11:26] <EriC^^> max12345: the pastebin might show some info
[11:27] <max12345> the command returned no link
[11:27] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, type 'sudo parted -ls' and pastebin it
[11:27] <EriC^^> !paste | max12345
[11:28] <max12345> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GMHWpxmZxn/
[11:30] <max12345> and the dialogue I'm in after the update is called configuring grub-pc so I think I'm on the right track there
[11:30] <max12345> but I don't know how to select a drive for installation
[11:30] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, windows is installed in uefi mode, ubuntu is installed in legacy (bios) mode, you need to reinstall ubuntu in uefi mode
[11:31] <max12345> hm that's annoying. no waz around it?
[11:32] <EriC^^> max12345: you could convert to uefi
[11:33] <EriC^^> frankly it's easier and faster to reinstall
[11:34] <pyzozord> Hello my touchpad in my ThinkPad x230 on Ubuntu 19 is working ok, but the two finger scrolling is kind of slow. 1) Can I make it more sensitive. 2) Can I make it "slide" like it slides in macbooks?
[11:34] <max12345> but I will have to reinstall all my packages correct?
[11:34] <max12345> and juggle some backups.
[11:34] <pragmaticenigma> !YY.MM | pyzozord
[11:34] <EriC^^> max12345: yeah, if you want to convert you can
[11:37] <max12345> hm. maybe some other time then...
[11:38] <max12345> thanks for the help!
[11:38] <EriC^^> max12345: it'll take like 10mins or so fwiw
[11:38] <EriC^^> max12345: no problem
[11:38] <max12345> the conversion or the reinstall
[11:39] <max12345> because so far touching anything with my installed linux always resulted in at least 3 days of cleanup for me
[11:40] <EriC^^> max12345: the conversion
[11:41] <max12345> hm do you have a recommended guide I should follow?
[11:41] <EriC^^> max12345: i could walk you through if you want
[11:41] <max12345> sure that would be best of course
[11:42] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, great, type "dpkg -l | grep grub" and pastebin the results please
[11:43] <max12345> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7mPHSbq435/
[11:43] <mattiasb> Hi all! Does anyone know where the source code for the ubuntu install iso is located? Specifically I'm looking for ubuntu server 18.04 with the old school install (the one that is easier to preseed, not the one with black and orange colors, sorry for the bad description). The one producing this iso: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.1/ubuntu-18.04.1-server-amd64.iso
[11:44] <EriC^^> max12345: there is one thing though you have to decide on, do you want ubuntu to use windows' EFI partition for its bootloader location? or do you want a separate EFI partition on the ubuntu drive? the latter would let it be a standalone install, the former would make it depend on windows, no windows drive, no ubuntu booting
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> !server | mattiasb
[11:44] <max12345> EriC^^: then I probably prefer the later, separate partition
[11:45] <EriC^^> max12345: good idea
[11:45] <mattiasb> I'm being bitten by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/+bug/713385 and I'm hoping to understand the install sequence so I can build some script that enables my NICs (by sending some data on them) before netcfg kicks in.
[11:46] <mattiasb> lotuspsychje ok thx
[11:46] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, first type "sudo swapoff -a"
[11:46] <EriC^^> max12345: we will delete the swap partition to make an efi partition for ubuntu, then recreate it like 100mb smaller or so
[11:46] <max12345> ok.
[11:47] <EriC^^> max12345: type "sudo cfdisk /dev/sda"
[11:48] <max12345> ok. I see a tree with 3 entries sda1 sda2 and then as a child of that sda5 which has "linux swap" in the type column to the right
[11:49] <EriC^^> max12345: alright, delete the sda2 and sda5
[11:49] <EriC^^> then create a new primary partition
[11:49] <pyzozord> ubottu: 19.10
[11:50] <pyzozord> pragmaticenigma: 19.10
[11:50] <max12345> EriC^^: how big should that be?
[11:50] <EriC^^> max12345: 100mb should be enough
[11:51] <max12345> primary or extended
[11:51] <EriC^^> max12345: primary
[11:52] <max12345> ok and the another one extended to recreate swap?
[11:52] <EriC^^> max12345: yes sir
[11:53] <no_gravity> Hello! When I plug my Android phone into my Ubuntu machine, I can access the files from Gnomes file manager. With some weird path like mtp://%5Busb%... But how do I access them from the terminal?
[11:53] <max12345> Ok. I like this program,pretty intuitive.
[11:53] <EriC^^> max12345: yup
[11:53] <grawity> no_gravity: look inside $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/gvfs
[11:53] <max12345> should the type of the 100mb partition be "linux"? that was the default
[11:53] <EriC^^> max12345: once you're done creating the partitions, go to 'type' and change the efi partition to type "EF" and the swap to type "82"
[11:53] <max12345> aaah
[11:54] <no_gravity> grawity: $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is empty
[11:54] <pragmaticenigma> pyzozord: Have you looked in Settings > Devices > Mouse & Touchpad to see if the settings you're interested are available there?
[11:54] <grawity> /run/user/$UID/gvfs, then
[11:54] <EriC^^> max12345: once you're done, "write" the table and exit
[11:54] <max12345> "ef EFI (FAT-12 ..."
[11:54] <EriC^^> yes that's the one
[11:55] <max12345> ok. done.
[11:55] <no_gravity> grawity: Cool. Is that mount somehow specific to that userid? root cannot access it for some reason.
[11:55] <grawity> yes
[11:55] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, type "sudo partprobe /dev/sda" to re-read the partition table
[11:56] <grawity> (not that you should need root for anything here – your phone does not care about the local uid)
[11:56] <no_gravity> grawity: Didn't know that there are user specific mounts. Any way for root to access the files?
[11:56] <EriC^^> max12345: then type "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda" and pastebin the contents please
[11:56] <grawity> the restriction is actually a general FUSE feature, not necessarily something specific to gvfs
[11:57] <max12345> EriC^^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HWN8ZrR3Yn/
[11:57] <grawity> no_gravity: why do you *need* root to access the files?
[11:57] <no_gravity> grawity: I would like to add the dir to a backup script that runs as root.
[11:58] <EriC^^> max12345: looks good, although swap is kind of huge i just noticed
[11:59] <max12345> yes, I noticed that as well, but I'm not really doing anything disk space intensive anyway
[11:59] <EriC^^> max12345: alright, fair enough
[11:59] <EriC^^> max12345: type "sudo mkfs.fat /dev/sda2"
[12:00] <max12345> alright...
[12:00] <EriC^^> max12345: also type "sudo blkid" and pastebin the contents
[12:01] <max12345> EriC^^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B22RhqWWh6/
[12:02] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, type "cat /etc/fstab" and pastebin again please
[12:03] <max12345> EriC^^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VnDvpfdft6/
[12:03] <EriC^^> max12345: interesting, fstab isnt actually using the swap partition, instead a /swapfile
[12:04] <max12345> EriC^^: don't I have to manually turn on swap again...
[12:04] <EriC^^> max12345: i wonder what the size is try, "ls -lh /swapfile"
[12:05] <max12345> 2GB
[12:05] <max12345> hm.
[12:05] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, if i were you i'd leave the swapfile, and later just format the swap partition and use it somehow
[12:05] <max12345> ok then I will do that, sounds like a good idea.
[12:06] <EriC^^> alright
[12:06] <EriC^^> max12345: type 'sudo nano /etc/fstab'
[12:06] <EriC^^> now you're going to add the efi partition there so it gets mounted automatically on boot
[12:06] <EriC^^> add this line
[12:06] <EriC^^> UUID=0C6C-1138  /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
[12:07] <max12345> how much does alignment matter
[12:07] <max12345> are spaces good enough?
[12:07] <EriC^^> max12345: yup
[12:08] <max12345> Ok how do I save? I never use nano :)
[12:08] <EriC^^> max12345: press ctrl+x to save and exit
[12:09] <max12345> ok. done.
[12:09] <EriC^^> max12345: type "sudo mkdir /boot/efi" to create the mountpoint
[12:09] <EriC^^> then type "sudo mount /boot/efi" to mount it using fstab
[12:10] <max12345> ok.
[12:10] <EriC^^> max12345: now for the fun part
[12:11] <EriC^^> max12345: type 'sudo apt-get purge grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub-efi-amd64-signed+'
[12:11] <EriC^^> note the "+" at the end of the last package
[12:12] <grawity> exactly what does the "+" do?
[12:12] <max12345> ok now it's asking me if I want to remove all files from /boot/grub
[12:14] <EriC^^> grawity: it tells apt to install rather than remove, same for apt install <package>-
[12:15] <EriC^^> max12345: sure why not
[12:15] <grawity> ah, sounds fun
[12:16] <max12345> EriC^^: ok done, but at the end it aborted something https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dMyDTjWBc5/
[12:16] <Kingsy> .j voidlinux
[12:17] <EriC^^> max12345: what does 'dpkg -l | grep grub' look like right now?
[12:18] <max12345> 5 entries, one grub-common one grub2-common and three grub-efi
[12:18] <multifractal> Hi novice web developer here. Our site runs on an ubuntu server and has a cron job scheduled to do some stuff every day at midnight. However daylight savings time recently kicked in and now the cron job is happening at 1AM. $ timedatectl
[12:18] <multifractal>                       Local time: Tue 2020-03-31 12:15:57 UTC
[12:18] <multifractal>                   Universal time: Tue 2020-03-31 12:15:57 UTC
[12:18] <multifractal>                         RTC time: Tue 2020-03-31 12:15:58
[12:18] <multifractal>                        Time zone: Etc/UTC (UTC, +0000)
[12:18] <multifractal>        System clock synchronized: yes
[12:18] <multifractal> systemd-timesyncd.service active: yes
[12:18] <multifractal>                  RTC in local TZ: no
[12:18] <multifractal> What should I do? Try to reconfigure ubuntu's system time? Change the time of the cron job to be artificially 23:00 (which is midnight IRL)?
[12:18] <EriC^^> max12345: that looks good
[12:18] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, type "sudo grub-install"
[12:19] <max12345> that complains that a target is needed
[12:19] <EriC^^> max12345: try "sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi"
[12:20] <max12345> ok, no errors but a warning that EFI variables are not supported on this system
[12:20] <EriC^^> max12345: the thing is here, that usually you need to be booted in uefi mode, to add the uefi entry for ubuntu, it might error out on that, we can try using the default paths the motherboard knows, and once you reboot into ubuntu, then run grub-install again, if that doesnt pan out, we'll need a live ubuntu usb to boot in uefi mode to add it from there
[12:21] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, type "sudo mkdir -p /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot"
[12:21] <EriC^^> max12345: as well as "sudo mkdir /boot/efi/efi/boot"
[12:21] <EriC^^> max12345: also please type "sudo ls -lR /boot/efi" and pastebin the contents
[12:22] <EriC^^> max12345: yeah that error pertains to what i mentioned above
[12:22] <max12345> EriC^^: can't create the later because it already exists.
[12:23] <max12345> EriC^^: paste of ls https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Tcf8ndm3ps/
[12:23] <EriC^^> max12345: ah good
[12:24] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, type also "sudo mkdir /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu"
[12:25] <EriC^^> max12345: then type "sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/grub/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi"
[12:26] <max12345> ok.
[12:27] <pragmaticenigma> multifractal: set the production server to use UTC as its local time
[12:27] <pragmaticenigma> multifractal: or rather, set the locale timezone for UTC
[12:28] <multifractal> pragmaticenigma: how do I do that? my understanding from the output of timedatectl is that it's already set to UTC "Time zone: Etc/UTC (UTC, +0000)"
[12:29] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, type "sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/grub/* /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu"
[12:29] <max12345> "no matches for wildcard"
[12:30] <EriC^^> max12345: try "sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/grub/* /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu"
[12:30] <max12345> EriC^^: same problem
[12:31] <pragmaticenigma> multifractal: oh, I see, it's the other way around. You're expecting something to occur at 0000 hours your local time, and the server being configured for UTC
[12:31] <multifractal> pragmaticenigma: Oh UTC doesn't incorporate the daylight savings changes that apply here in the UK?
[12:32] <EriC^^> max12345: try 'sudo rsync /boot/efi/EFI/grub/ /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu'    note the trailing "/" after grub is important here
[12:32] <EriC^^> max12345: yeah, the error is cause bash can't access the dir naturally as your user, my bad
[12:33] <pragmaticenigma> multifractal: The entire purpose of UTC is that it doesn't have a concept of daylight saving time. Hence it's often called "Universal Coordinated Time" ensuring everyone is corrdinated across timezones and local time keeping rules.
[12:33] <max12345> "skipping directory ." I'm using fish not bash is that a problem?
[12:33] <esv> could it be /boot/efi/EFI/Boot?
[12:34] <multifractal> pragmaticenigma: Sorry that's pretty dumb of me. So what I need to do is advance the system time one hour forward, or set my timezone to UK or whatever
[12:34] <pragmaticenigma> multifractal: If you're attempting to run reports. Fix your code, make sure data queries are looking at time stamps occurring within the time period you desire
[12:35] <multifractal> pragmaticenigma: OK that's a good point. I should expect python's datetime package to return times consistent with the system clock right?
[12:35] <EriC^^> max12345: nope
[12:35] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, please type "ls -lR /boot/efi" and pastebin to make sure everything's in order
[12:36] <pragmaticenigma> multifractal: correct, and python has many tools to help with timezone conversion. Personally I write all my code with the expectation of timestamps being in UTC... I handle the conversion to local time at the presentation layer (where the user will see the content)
[12:36] <max12345> EriC^^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5X7XmVMtK9/
[12:37] <EriC^^> max12345: type 'sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/grub /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu'
[12:37] <EriC^^> sorry
[12:37] <EriC^^> max12345: type 'sudo cp -r /boot/efi/efi/grub /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu'
[12:38] <pragmaticenigma> multifractal: python's time.time() always returns in UTC. the datetime libraries have two different calls for getting the current time.. one is set for pulling UTC, the other will generate a timestamp based on the current environmnets locale timezone setting.
[12:39] <max12345> EriC^^:  ok paste now looks like this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mHq5PDKrRf/
[12:40] <EriC^^> max12345: looking good, type "sudo update-grub"
[12:41] <max12345> ok it finds 3 linux images and the memtest
[12:42] <EriC^^> max12345: awesome
[12:43] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, try rebooting, then go to the bios, make sure uefi is enabled, or csm legacy is disabled
[12:43] <EriC^^> max12345: also if secureboot is on, disable it
[12:44] <max12345> alright, see you in a bit hopefully
[12:44] <EriC^^> ok
[12:50] <max12345> EriC^^: ok, there was no explicit UEFI option I think? there was something called CSM support which is no off and secure boot was off already.
[12:51] <max12345> and grub was blue now, for some reason
[12:54] <EriC^^> max12345: aha so it booted into ubuntu
[12:54] <EriC^^> ?
[12:55] <max12345> more or less, I had to tell it to pick ubuntu as the drive to boot into but otherwise no problem.
[12:55] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, type "sudo grub-install"
[12:56] <max12345> ok. "finished no errors"
[12:56] <EriC^^> max12345: type "sudo update-grub"
[12:56] <max12345> aaah, now it found the three linux and the windows
[12:57] <Southern_Gentlem> this may sound like a dumb question is libvirt usable in the ubuntu world
[12:57] <max12345> so, that's it, all done? :)
[12:58] <EriC^^> max12345: yup :)
[12:58] <max12345> EriC^^: great, thank you so much for your help then!
[12:58] <EriC^^> max12345: no problem
[12:59] <max12345> ok then, bye bye and I'll go try it out now. :)
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> For the users who want to help test 20.04: Test week will start April 2 join #ubuntu-quality | https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-20-04-testing-week/15043
[12:59] <EriC^^> max12345: alright, enjoy :)
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> Southern_Gentlem: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/libvirt.html
[13:15] <TR1950X> what is exact release date of ubuntu 2020.04?
[13:15] <TR1950X> what kernel version is that gonna be on?
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> TR1950X: Please ask in #ubuntu+1 ... there is no defined date as testing will determine when it is ready for release
[13:19] <Southern_Gentlem> pragmaticenigma, ty
[13:26] <filohuhum> hey guys
[13:26] <filohuhum> anyone knows about the "no wifi after suspension" problem ?
[13:28] <pragmaticenigma> filohuhum: There is no such thing... What you have is a computer that doesn't support the suspend feature fully and should avoid using it
[13:29] <jeremy31> filohuhum: does results for iwconfig in terminal show power management on?
[13:29] <filohuhum> it use to work
[13:29] <filohuhum> the wifi after suspension
[13:30] <filohuhum> wlp2s0    IEEE 802.11  ESSID:"..."
[13:30] <filohuhum>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: FC:A6:21:7B:6B:DD
[13:30] <filohuhum>           Bit Rate=65 Mb/s   Tx-Power=17 dBm
[13:30] <filohuhum>           Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[13:30] <filohuhum>           Power Management:off
[13:30] <filohuhum>           Link Quality=66/70  Signal level=-44 dBm
[13:30] <pragmaticenigma> !paste | filohuhum
[13:30] <halvors> Hi! I tried to copy over a GPT partition scheme with sgdisk, and randomize the UUIDs with sgdisk -G /dev/sdb
[13:32] <jeremy31> filohuhum: in terminal do>  sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[13:32] <filohuhum> sorry
[13:33] <esv> EriC^^, while solving max12345 boot issue you did not copy the grubx64.efi (as bootmgfw.efi) from a microsoft partition is this file jan immutable bootstrap loader for MS and other OSs?
[13:34] <esv> s/jan/just an/
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> halvors: Is there an issue you need help with? Looks like you only made a statement. Also, please remember to include details, such as OS version, kernel versions, what hardware is involved, and what your end goal is.
[13:35] <halvors> But output of blkid the UUIDs are still the same, but not partuuids.
[13:35] <halvors> Yeah, sorry. I was interupted :O
[13:37] <pragmaticenigma> halvors: I'm not 100% sure... but some IDs are based on physical attributes of the storage volume and are not user changeable
[13:40] <EriC^^> esv: yeah, it's the default location for windows and some uefi implementations use it
[13:42] <esv> I'll try to use some of that info the ubuntu install clobbered my centos8 boot image, and the fedora install did not fix it :)
[13:43] <eeos> Hy everybody! I am looking for is a very light server than can server music and sound files on the internal network, without necessarily indexing them. I need something as light as possible. I have been using Kodi, but discovered it is not the definition of light.
[13:44] <esv> I mean, I have a box with centos, ubuntu and f31, after I installed ubuntu the centos8 partition would not boot on its own and need to boot from the boot menu in the pc. kind of wacked right now
[13:46] <grawity> EriC^^: I've heard of machines which hardcode the Windows bootmgr path, but are there actually any which don't check the standard bootx64 path?
[13:50] <halvors> pragmaticenigma: Thanks, seems there was the filesystem id that was not randomized. Thats ok :)
[13:52] <pragmaticenigma> halvors: ah, I see. you got figured out?
[13:53] <wozy> is there any way to play call of duty warzone in ubuntu?
[13:56] <pragmaticenigma> wozy: If it is available through steam, it may be possible. However support for Steam and/or Call of Duty (or other software not provided through official Ubuntu software channels) is considered offtopic. Feel free to join us in #ubuntu-offtopic if you would like further help with your question.
[13:58] <wozy> pragmaticenigma: call of duty warzone is not avaiable via steam
[13:59] <wozy> it used the Blizzard's Battle.net launcher
[13:59] <wozy> uses*
[14:02] <RonaldsMazitis> I am trying to use MIDI device with LMMS, but I can't change from alsa sequencer to any other MIDI support in LMMS
[14:03] <RonaldsMazitis> I installed low latency kernel
[14:06] <pragmaticenigma> RonaldsMazitis: There might be some people in #ubuntustudio that can help you better. I'm not seeing our resident expert at the moment in here
[14:19] <ufk> hi
[14:19] <ufk> how do i configure etcd to bind to * instead of localhost ?
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> ufk: #etcd might be a better resource for you
[14:28] <Histo> Did ubuntu change something that the tilde key no longer works?  Upon pressing the tilde key it's doing some weird lose focus behavior
[14:29] <Histo> Or anyone know how I restore tilde to normal functionality?
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> Histo: have you tried rebooting?
[14:31] <Histo> @pragmaticenigma yes this has been happening since install weeks ago
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> Histo: does it persist after a reboot?
[14:31] <Histo> yes
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> check your keyboard shortcuts? make sure it didn't get reassigned
[14:33] <Histo> It's not assigned anywhere only Super+backtick is assigned to switch windows of an application (default behavior) I believe
[14:34] <Histo> This is on a news install of 20.04
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> Histo: 20.04 hasn't been released yet, all support and bugs MUST be reported in #ubuntu+1
[14:35] <glick> hi im having a networking issue
[14:35] <glick> im running two ubuntu hosts in a virtualbox
[14:35] <glick> i set up a virtual NAT network and attached them both
[14:35] <glick> they can both see the outside world
[14:35] <glick> but one can see the other
[14:36] <glick> but the other cant see the other one
[14:36] <glick> when i ping i can go from one to the other but not vice versa
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> glick: This isn't the right support channel for virtual machine host configuration. Please seek out a channel for your specific virtualization platform
[14:42] <Histo> No one answering in #ubuntu is there somewhere else to ask?  Someone must have experienced this behavior
[14:43] <ioria> Histo, for now, i suggest you to  test it in a newly created user
[14:43] <pragmaticenigma> Histo: I told you were to go for support...
[14:43] <pragmaticenigma> Histo: #ubuntu+1 for support
[14:43] <Histo> @pragmaticenigma I've asked there I'm asking if there are other options.
[14:44] <Histo> @ioria good Idea I will test more if not file a bug I guess.
[14:44] <ioria> ok
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> Histo: You didn't read my whole statement, did you? 20.04 is not released... meaning support is only available #ubuntu+1 ... there is no other resource available... that's why #ubuntu+1 is there
[14:45] <ufk> i'm asking here how to change etcd to bind to * instead of localhost because there is a configuration file at /etc/defaults/etcd that i think is ubuntu specific
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> ufk: I'm suggesting a place where people are more knowledgeable about the topic you have... You might be waiting here a long time for someone to respond, if anyone would respond knowing anything about that particular component
[14:48] <ufk> ahh ok i read the etcd.service.. it's just a matter of understanding what parameter etcd needs, not ubuntu specific. thanks
[14:52] <histo> @ioria different user sort of worked it types a backtick not a tilde. this is something specific to my user then and no idea what.
[14:53] <ioria> histo, some extensions , maybe
[14:53] <pavlos> glick: see table 6.1 in https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html
[14:53] <histo> No extensions installed
[14:55] <histo> @ioria foudn it somehow drop down terminal was half baked installed extension however now to figure out why it's typing a backtick instead of tilde like I thought it used to.
[15:02] <akem> Anyone knows how to find out the port number needed to check a MIDI input device with aseqdump? I can't seem to find it in dmesg.
[15:02] <akem> aseqdum -p <ID> <- the ID i'm looking for, on a newly plugged device.
[15:03] <akem> Never mind i find out "aseqdump -l" list them :)
[15:05] <histo> @ioria on your keyboard if you press the tilde key does it type a tilde or backtick by default?
[15:09] <ioria> histo, i don't have a tilde key; it 's a combo (altgr+'):  run this : xmodmap -pke | grep -i tild
[15:10] <klu3> i have about 10 distro running using virtualbox, they are all downloading files at 100KB/s, my question is, is that safe for harddrive? or should I be concerned that it might stress it out even though its only writing small data
[15:10] <ioria> histo, but if it's about 20.04 i really suggest ubuntu+1
[15:11] <histo> @ioria yeah I'm there.
[15:11] <histo> @ioria not really 20.04 specific issue though something is messed up in my keyboard layout
[15:11] <ioria> i agree
[15:13] <pragmaticenigma> klu3: I don't think it will hurt the drive, it's doing what it is designed to do... If it is an SSD host drive, I wouldn't worry at all. If it is a physical media HDD, I would consider maybe reducing the number of concurrent applications trying to access the drive at the same time.
[15:20] <ufk> i added softdog to /etc/modules but after a restart i still need to modprobe it manually
[15:20] <klu3> pragmaticenigma: ah ok thanks, the reason i got that weird idea is because you know how when you split partitions on one hdd, technically the hand moves all over the place if you trying to access files on many partitions so i thought it might behave like that having multiple virtual
[15:23] <histo> @ufk are they commented out?
[15:23] <ufk> no... but i googled and read that softdog is not some blacklist of systemd.. i configured watchdog to load softdog on startup, just testing it should be fine
[15:25] <histo> @ufk what are you trying to do?
[15:25] <ufk> just to load softdog on boot
[15:26] <ufk> yeah i configured watchdog to load softdog automatically.. it's fine.. just weird that softdog is somehow blacklisted because of systemd
[15:27] <histo> @ufk why do you think it's being blacklsited?
[15:28] <ufk> because of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1535840 but actually i didn't confirm that this is the case...
[16:02] <tekk> hi
[16:02] <tekk> i've got the wierdest new issue ever.
[16:03] <tekk> ufw is disabled... upon booting, my install works as expected... after some time, incoming connections from foreign hosts are all getting connection refused, despite networking working.... Any existing open connection continues to function.
[16:03] <tekk> I can't find anything in syslog
[16:03] <tekk> stumped :(
[16:07] <pavlos> tekk: incoming connections as in ssh ??
[16:08] <ufk> modprobe softdog and /dewv/watchdog gives me device or resource busy. any ideas ?
[16:09] <ioria> tekk, i'd say resources run out
[16:45] <gonutsfordonuts> Hello
[16:45] <gonutsfordonuts> Hello! Can someone point me in the right direction here? I have downloaded an executable program and I'm trying to add it to my Activities search (you know - the search prompt you get by pressing Super or Alt+F1). I can't seem to find any posts online for how to manually add programs to this but I'd be surprised if it wasn't documented somewhere
[16:46] <ioria> gnoyou need a .desktop file in .local/share/applications
[16:47] <ioria> gonutsfordonuts,    you need a .desktop file in .local/share/applications
[16:49] <oerheks> ioria +1
[16:49] <oerheks>  place your .desktop file at /usr/share/applications/ or at ~/.local/share/applications/
[16:52] <gonutsfordonuts> ioria oerheks - Thank you! That's exactly what I've been looking for
[16:52] <ioria> ok
[16:53] <pyzozord> How can I increase sensitivity of my touchpad page scroll? Is there an option for "sliding" when scrolling like it does on macbooks?
[16:55] <oerheks> there are some more options in gnome-tweak-tool for mouse and touchpad?
[16:55] <oerheks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[17:00] <tekk> pavlos, ioria, yes ssh / anything. gonna check resources now but i think they're ok
[17:03] <pavlos> tekk: for ssh sessions, look in /var/log/auth.log I get entries when clients con/disconnect
[17:10] <pyzozord> oerheks: there is no options about scrolling on touchpad in gnome-tweak-tool. It seems very basic
[17:10] <ioria> pyzozord, do you mean  'Natural Scrolling' ?
[17:11] <pyzozord> ioria: no I mean when i move my fingers i want more of page to scroll also when i want i let go i want it to keep scrolling for a while like its on ice
[17:11] <ioria> pyzozord, that should be in systemsettings -> Mouse&Touchpad
[17:11] <Psil0Cybin> Anyone having trouble installing PIA on Ubuntu 1.8
[17:11] <Psil0Cybin> i keep getting private internet access error any version except legacy v.82
[17:11] <Psil0Cybin> i am so confused
[17:12] <pyzozord> ioria: that's touchpad speed. I mean specifically scrolling with a touchpad. When you use two fingers to scroll a page
[17:15] <mati> Hi, I'm looking for a simple way to print specific lines from a text file in the terminal. My file has around 200 lines and I want to display lines from 10 to 20. How can I do that?
[17:16] <pyzozord> mati: you need sed
[17:16] <pyzozord> mati: cat file | sed 10q will print first 10 lines
[17:17] <pyzozord> mati: sed has entire syntax and is very powerful, read manual for sed with man sed
[17:17] <dax> sed -n -e '10,20p' file.txt
[17:19] <ioria> or with awk, awk '10<=NR && NR <=20'
[17:19] <mati> dax: thanks a lot! Also, I've heard something about head vs sed 11q. Why do people not like to use head?
[17:20] <pyzozord> I guess because head is really redundant
[17:20] <pyzozord> if you can do sed 11q why have another program is the main issue I guess
[17:20] <dax> mati: you could do it with head and tail too, it doesn't make much difference. i just used sed 'cause it's one command instead of two
[17:21] <ioria> pyzozord, not sure you can do that with libinput, you might try with synaptics
[17:22] <pyzozord> ioria: I though libinput and synaptics are different thigs
[17:22] <pyzozord> ioria: I don't really understand what they are
[17:22] <ioria> that's what i said
[17:22] <pyzozord> I mean I though libinput is more fundamental and cannot be swapped out or something like that
[17:24] <ioria> pyzozord,  libinput driver has fewer options to customize touchpad behaviou
[17:26] <ioria> pyzozord,  i suggest the archlinux pages on both (are very good), and you'll probably find the tweaks you want
[17:29] <pyzozord> ioria: would you mind linking to more or less where I could start searching there?
[17:29] <ioria> pyzozord,  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics   https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/libinput
[17:30] <pyzozord> ioria: that is really great thanks a lot!
[17:30] <ioria> ok
[17:31] <pyzozord> ioria: btw im still not decided on whether I should use arch or ubuntu. Would you suggest using arch?
[17:31] <pyzozord> I do find their wiki sometimes, and it always gives impression of comprehensive and extensive documentation
[17:31] <ioria> pyzozord,  i think it's up to you
[17:32] <pragmaticenigma> pyzozord: that's completely up to you. documentation is for the application, so while it's not installed in the same exact base OS, it probably applies to the application itself. You just might have to do some digging to find the differences that may exist between Ubuntu and another distribution
[17:34] <sc0utonlinux> I can't figure out where to change my keyboard layout :(
[17:34] <sc0utonlinux> im un Kubuntu
[17:34] <sc0utonlinux> on*
[17:36] <sc0utonlinux> https://i.imgur.com/GR6LBdc.png
[17:37] <pragmaticenigma> odd sc0utonlinux mine isn't greyed out like that
[17:38] <sarnold> is one of you in an adm or sudo group and the other one not?
[17:38] <pragmaticenigma> I'm on my primary account, which would be in sudoers
[17:39] <dax> sc0utonlinux: click the Hardware tab, is there something selected in the "Keyboard model" dropdown? If not, pick something appropriate and see if that fixes the Layouts tab
[17:40] <sc0utonlinux> dax: it's greyed out too
[17:40] <dax> hrm
[17:40] <sc0utonlinux> https://i.imgur.com/wlWZbwE.png
[17:40] <sc0utonlinux> yeah it's strange I don't know what i've done or why it's like this.
[17:41] <ioria> sc0utonlinux, cat /etc/default/keyboard
[17:42] <sc0utonlinux> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JxVhmbj9QB/
[17:43] <ioria> sc0utonlinux, only french ... so what you want to change ?
[17:44] <sc0utonlinux> ioria: actually i wanted to change that the numlock is on at startup and saw that the option to change layout was gone..
[17:44] <sc0utonlinux> Currently I have a french keyboard but would like to swap to german when I want.. and the option has disapeared
[17:45] <ioria> sc0utonlinux, you don't have german; try to add it again
[17:45] <sc0utonlinux> ioria: how ?
[17:46] <ioria> sc0utonlinux, on ubuntu in region&Language
[17:46] <sc0utonlinux> did you see the screenshots i posted?
[17:46] <sc0utonlinux> it's all grey
[17:46] <ioria> sc0utonlinux, find the equivalent on kde
[17:46] <oerheks> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[17:46] <sc0utonlinux> ioria: it's greyed out .. the option has disapeared
[17:47] <sc0utonlinux> https://i.imgur.com/GR6LBdc.png
[17:49] <ioria> sc0utonlinux, i told you region&langauge not keyboard
[17:50] <sc0utonlinux> ioria: in region and language there is no keyboard settings only configure plasma translations
[17:50] <sc0utonlinux> that should stay english
[17:50] <sc0utonlinux> https://i.imgur.com/3ZrOVSV.png
[17:56] <ioria> sc0utonlinux, are you running neon ?
[17:56] <sc0utonlinux> ioria: definitly not :)
[17:56] <sc0utonlinux> 19.10
[18:00] <ioria> sc0utonlinux, might be a keybaod hw problem; can you plug anothe one ?
[18:00] <sc0utonlinux> ioria: good idea ill give that a go hold up
[18:03] <sc0utonlinux> ioria: oh wow that actually worked.. and now I repluged the old keyboard and everything is available
[18:03] <ioria> weird
[18:03] <sc0utonlinux> ioria: very .. but i suspect the motherboard USB ports arn't that good anymore .. i've had some wierd issues
[18:04] <ioria> yeah
[18:04] <sc0utonlinux> ioria: thank you for your patience ! and assitance
[18:04] <sarnold> very weird
[18:05] <ioria> sc0utonlinux, no prob
[18:06] <ottomang7> I was told to ask the following in here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1222933/dual-boot-windows-with-ubuntu-using-uefi-and-not-modifying-the-mbr
[18:20] <ufk> is there some repository for ubuntu to update patroni to latest version ? currently on ubuntu 19.10 i have 1.5.5 while the latest is 1.6.3
[18:22] <oerheks> ufk, i see no ppa, an option would be 'pip install patroni' ...
[18:22] <ufk> oohh right!
[18:23] <oerheks> found here. https://www.alibabacloud.com/blog/how-to-set-up-a-highly-available-postgresql-cluster-using-patroni-on-ubuntu-16-04_594477
[18:23] <ufk> amazing! thanks a lot :)
[18:26] <oerheks> next LTS will have 1.6.4 .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/patroni
[18:30] <halvors> Is there any documentation on how to use LUKS with TPM on Ubuntu?
[18:31] <sarnold> halvors: we're currently implementing the feature, it should be available for ubuntu core "soon", and regular ubuntu is planned to come some point later
[18:31] <halvors> So not in time for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS?
[18:31] <sarnold> probably not
[18:32] <halvors> sarnold: thx for answering :)
[18:36] <Psil0Cybin> anyone having problems with PIA private internet access on upgrading desktops of ubuntu or debian
[18:36] <Psil0Cybin> [2020-03-31 17:50:22.022][b96c][default][fatal] Could not initialize GLX
[18:37] <Psil0Cybin>  in debug log?
[18:38] <howudodat> hey everyone, small business network of about 10 users db server, middleware, email, fileserver (each running on VMs).  Firewall is ubuntu server running iptables.  My friend wants to add a vpn server for his workers to work from home.  Any thoughts on running the vpn server on a separate machine from the firewall or on the firewall?  Network routing is simpler if it's on the firewall, but you open another service on the fw that can
[18:38] <howudodat>  be attacked, any other pros/cons?
[18:40] <sarnold> Psil0Cybin: I'm surprised your VPN provider uses your GPU
[18:40] <Psil0Cybin> sarnold, private internet access
[18:40] <sarnold> howudodat: I'd probably go for firewall, since the routing feels like it'll be much easier; and I'm very lazy person..
[18:41] <Psil0Cybin> legacy versions work all new versions so 1.5 + give me that error code on Debian 10
[18:41] <Psil0Cybin> worked perfect on Debian 9
[18:41] <Psil0Cybin> how can i fix that? GPU problem?
[18:44] <akem> Psil0Cybin, Where does that log line comes from?
[18:44] <pragmaticenigma> Psil0Cybin: If you are running on Debian... you should be asking in #debian
[18:46] <tekk> ioria, plenty of free resources
[18:46] <tekk> stumped
[19:00] <aodsnasion> Hi guys, trying to compile kernel on ubuntu 18.04 x64 and this error occurs
[19:00] <aodsnasion> failedmake: *** [vmlinux] Error 137
[19:01] <sarnold> aodsnasion: pastebin your whole buildlog somewhere
[19:01] <aodsnasion> that's what i want to do it will take a sec
[19:01] <sarnold> the pastebinit tool may help :)
[19:25] <williamrops_> exit
[19:33] <rikardGn> I have the following two problems
[19:35] <rikardGn> 1.I'm not able to run my vega integrated graphics in my ryzen 3 at the same times as my nvidia gtx 1650 super when using the propritary nvidia driver, however this works fine with the open source nvidia driver
[19:35] <rikardGn> 2.I'm not able to boot in ubuntu 18.04 when using my nvidia 1650 gtx super in ubuntu 18.04 it hangs halfway
[19:36] <rikardGn> Booting using only my integrated vega graphics in my ryzen 3 works fine thoguh.
[19:36] <rikardGn> Any ideas on this issue?
[19:39] <ioria> rikardGn, what version of nvidia ? 440 ?
[19:40] <rikardGn> let me check have to rebbot
[19:41] <ioria> why ?
[19:41] <rikardGn> currently i'm not on ubuntu
[19:41] <ioria> i see
[19:54] <rikardGn> ok now im back in ubuntu 18.04
[19:55] <matsaman> from where?
[19:57] <filohuhum> anyone miss 8.04?
[19:58] <rikardGn> i just asked a question about a problem with ryzen 3
[19:58] <rikardGn> and nvidia drivers in ubnutnu 18.04
[19:58] <rory> i bet #ubuntu-offtopic sure does filohuhum. i know i do.
[19:58] <rikardGn> but I hade to reboot to check what drivers i'm running on ubuntu
[19:59] <rikardGn> right now i'm running on my amd vega integrated on my ryzen 3
[19:59] <rikardGn> in this mode ubuntu 18.04 boots without problems
[19:59] <rikardGn> but when I try to boot with my nvidia gtx 1650 super and ubuntu 18.04, ubuntu 18.04 hangs in the middle
[20:05] <mdunnio> hello! is this the best place to ask questions related to snapd?
[20:05] <matsaman> I can think of worse places
[20:06] <pyzozord> hey trying to make my touchpad scroll "slide" like on ice. No idea how to do it
[20:09] <matsaman> pyzozord: don't remember what that's called, but it's probably just an option you can configure via xorg.conf.d or other methods to configure synaptics devices, etc.
[20:09] <mdunnio> here is my problem: I'm installing a snap and I need to give it access to an additional drive mounted at /var/lib/data, but the standard confinement rules aren't allowing access
[20:09] <mdunnio> is there an interface that I can add that will give me access? or does classic mode allow this? or would I have to do both?
[20:11] <halvors> how can i install gnome shell extensions on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS? Seems software center is gone and replaced with snap store, why?
[20:11] <halvors> How to search for non-snap packages?
[20:13] <rikardGn> should i try to install nvidia proparity drivers to see if iäm able to boot my computer in ubnutnu 18.04 with these instead of the open source ones?
[20:14] <StevenJayCohen> halvors, apt, aptitude, and synaptic :)
[20:14] <halvors> StevenJayCohen: But seems a lot of gnome shell extensions isn't available in ubuntu 20.04 lts
[20:14] <pyzozord> matsaman: i'd need more help I'm pretty newbe to linux
[20:14] <rikardGn> that is boot into ubuntu 18.04 using my geforce gtx 1650 super
[20:14] <halvors> Is there a way to fetch them directly from the gnome extentions repo
[20:17] <StevenJayCohen> halvors, 2 different questions :) If what you want are only snaps, flatpacks, and appimages, then that's actually a different issue.
[20:17] <halvors> I want a deb package installing the caffeine gnome shell extension
[20:18] <StevenJayCohen> halvors, Debian 10 packages may be compatible
[20:18] <StevenJayCohen> halvors, YMMV :)
[20:19] <matsaman> halvors: you can replicate a 'caffeine' app by having a user cron run something like 'DISPLAY=:0 xdotool key F13'
[20:19] <StevenJayCohen> matsaman, good point!
[20:19] <halvors> was able to install it thru firefox plugin directly from gnome.org
[20:20] <matsaman> halvors: StevenJayCohen: and you can use xidle if you really need the exact interval for inactivity
[20:20] <matsaman> or xprintidle, whatever it's called
[20:20] <nuala> rikardGn: im using an nvidia proprietary driver for a geforce several generations older than yours for... quite a long time alrdy. so it prolly wont set your pc on fire. (and iirc you can revert to your previos driver via command line worst case)
[20:21] <matsaman> or y'know s/user cron/regular shell script/
[20:28] <rikardGn> nuala: ok i will try to install the proparityarty nvidia driver
[20:38] <pyzozord> I know how it's called. Kinetict scroll! I want kinetic scroll in firefox. I checked about:config kinetic flag and that's turned on but kinetic scroll in firefox doesnt wokr
[20:42] <rikardGn> nuala, will try to install the nvidia stable driver
[20:46] <matsaman> pyzozord: y'mean when you use middle button?
[20:47] <matsaman> think that's called 'autoscroll' in Firefox lingo
[20:51] <pyzozord> matsaman: no, I mean phisical based scrolling, when I make a stronger motion and let go it should keep scrolling that direction for a moment until it loses inertia
[20:52] <pyzozord> It works for Ubuntu's Text Editor app, smoths kinetically, with intertia. But does not work in firefox.
[20:53] <rikardGn> rebooting back soon
[20:55] <pragmaticenigma> pyzozord: it's possible that Firefox is having trouble because it provides it's own GTK libraries instead of using the system provided ones
[20:55] <pragmaticenigma> pyzozord: and it might have older GTK libraries that aren't setup to support kinetic scrolling
[20:57] <pyzozord> pragmaticenigma: you dont experience that problem?
[20:58] <pragmaticenigma> pyzozord: what do you mean?
[20:59] <pyzozord> pragmaticenigma: I mean you do have kinetic and precise scrolling in firefox?
[20:59] <pragmaticenigma> pyzozord: I still don't understand the context of the question
[21:00] <pyzozord> pragmaticenigma: you mentioned that it could be an issue with older GTK librarie and it sounded like you are just guessing and do not experience that issue yourself
[21:01] <pyzozord> I have just installed lates official standard ubuntu and made no cusomisations on it, so I am wondering if this is issue only for me or a bug that everybody experiences
[21:03] <pyzozord> nevermind i figured out add MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 env variable makes firefox behave ok
[21:03] <pragmaticenigma> I was basing my comment on the knowledge that Firefox ships with it's own GTK libraries. You mentioned that other applications are behaving as expected. which leads me to believe that the issue is within Firefox. With the knowledge that Firefox supplies it's own GTK libraries (unlinked) to expand it's ability to run on multiple platforms, it might be using an older GTK library that doesn't have the feature enabled. Currently
[21:03] <pragmaticenigma> reading through a bug report, the feature appears to only work for MacOS
[21:03] <matsaman> pyzozord: aha, 'coasting'
[21:03] <pyzozord> pragmaticenigma: if you run MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 firefox it will work, I just checked
[21:03] <matsaman> pyzozord: https://askubuntu.com/questions/493377/how-do-i-enable-mouse-momentum-after-release-in-kde-gnome-unity
[21:04] <pyzozord> matsaman: yeah they call it "coasting" in synaptics but in libinput they don't implement it and they expect client app to implement it
[21:04] <pragmaticenigma> pyzozord: correct... because you are setting a flag to tell firefox the system can provide the needed support so it lets the system handle it
[21:04] <matsaman> pyzozord: can't use synaptics anymore?
[21:05] <pyzozord> matsaman: dont want to, in arch they deprecated it
[21:05] <pyzozord> matsaman: also libinput is the default in ubuntu 19.10 at least
[21:05] <pyzozord> also synatics coasting implementation was hacky it was actually just "emulating" it with more button 4 and 5 events
[21:06] <pyzozord> just guys, tell me where i can put MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 so that it's loaded for my user so firefox picks it up automatically
[21:06] <pragmaticenigma> .bash_rc I believe
[21:06] <sarnold> I'd be surprised if that works
[21:06] <sarnold> unless you routinely start firefox via your shell
[21:07] <pyzozord> i'd assume bashrc is not the place because i dont start firefox from my bash
[21:07] <pragmaticenigma> ah... righ
[21:07]  * pragmaticenigma lives in the command line
[21:07] <sarnold> how do you start firefox usually?
[21:08] <pyzozord> sarnold: via ubuntu's activities feature
[21:08] <oerheks> whole post with your answer.. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1222777
[21:08] <sarnold> yeah that'll work if all users on the system want it, and they all log in via a service that uses that PAM module
[21:09] <oerheks> interesting you find an answer without details where to put it
[21:09] <matsaman> I've used a CTRL+ALT+f since forever.
[21:10] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks: it's listed in several bug threads... don't think those were concerned with where to put it for everyday users
[21:10] <halvors> Is Linux 5.5. planned for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS?
[21:10] <matsaman> For things I don't use often enough to have a shortcut for, I use a launcher, which I have mapped to Alt+Space macOS style (this shortcut for launcher might be the only thing I truly like from macOS).
[21:11] <matsaman> halvors: does it matter?
[21:11] <oerheks> halvors, not sure, 5.4 maybe ??
[21:11] <pragmaticenigma> halvors: support and discussion about 20.04 is in #ubuntu+1 only please
[21:11] <halvors> pragmaticenigma: Sorry.
[21:11] <halvors> oerheks: Yes because of btrfs raid1 moodes.
[21:11] <halvors> modes*
[21:12] <pragmaticenigma> halvors: versions may not matter... some features are being backported
[21:12] <pragmaticenigma> for details in the previously mentioned channel
[21:13] <halvors> pragmaticenigma: Reason i was asking is that 5.4 is to releases behind latest.
[21:13] <halvors> pragmaticenigma: Yeah did go there :)
[21:21] <pyzozord> turns out .bashrc is the right place. "login shells" so xorg I guess or whatever use .profile analogically to normal shells using .bashrc. In case of ubuntu 19.10 .profile reads and executes .bashrc
[21:21] <pyzozord> god damn, finally smooth scrolling with inertia... I needed that. Browsing internet was so annyoing
[21:22] <pyzozord> now it's not much worse then experience in macbooks, actually very comperable, close to perfect
[21:31] <oerheks> interesting, new firmware update
[21:32] <rikardGn> my computer works fine now
[21:32] <rikardGn> The nvidia gt 1650 super runs fine on my ryzen 3 now
[21:32] <rikardGn> I installed the nvidia proparirty driver whihc i downloaded from the nvidia offical page
[21:33] <rikardGn> thanks for the help
[21:33] <rikardGn> good night
[22:05] <yates> on my system, the /usr/local/bin folderis after /usr/bin folder, so if some custom version of a binary is placed in /usr/local/bin, it won't override the version in /usr/bin. is this normal?
[22:09] <akem> yates, No, you may edit your ~/.profile to check your PATH variable.
[22:09] <oerheks> yates, i think it depends on the place in your PATH, priority
[22:09] <oerheks> PATH="/usr/local/bin:$PATH" >> https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/49389/amending-path-so-that-usr-local-bin-is-ahead-of-usr-bin
[22:11] <yates> ok, let me have a look - thanks
[22:13] <yates> but why does the "default" path put /usr/bin ahead of /usr/local/bin?
[22:13] <yates> yes, i could override it, i see that
[22:15] <akem> Default is that /usr/local is before /usr, something must have been modified on your system.
[22:16] <yates> ok
[22:17] <yates> where is the "default" path set? i didn't see it in /etc/.bash.bashrc nor in /etc/profile
[22:18] <guntbert> yates: default path? never heard of such ...
[22:18] <sarnold> pam_env(8) reads /etc/environment by default, for PAM services that are configured to use pam_env
[22:19] <yates> guntbert: so when you log in and "echo $PATH" you get nothing?!?
[22:19] <sarnold> bash will set one for you, if it isn't set when bash is spawned
[22:20] <akem> Or you may have a look in /etc/profile.d/apps-bin-path.sh too. But pam_env is probably the way to go.
[22:20] <yates> it's correct in /etc/environment
[22:20] <guntbert> yates: ah, thats what you mean -- I misunderstood :-))
[22:21] <yates> maybe i'm missing something - let me look around a little more thoroughly
[22:21] <sarnold> systemd.exec(5) describes a default PATH used for unit files
[23:19] <filohuhum> hey guys
[23:19] <oerheks> :)
[23:25] <miu5> hi guys, anyone know of an easy way to launch an app on a specific monitor display?  Ive used xrandr to identify the displays. But how do you send an application to it?  need to do this in bash script
[23:31] <sarnold> which window manager are you using? it may have mechanisms to help
[23:32] <miu5> sarnold, how do i find out which window manager im using? is there a command to see the name?
[23:33] <miu5> Xfwm4
[23:34] <miu5> xfce basically
[23:36] <sarnold> https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/faq
[23:36] <sarnold> it doesn't look like it supports many of of the "open this window on display N" kinds of things, but they suggest using devilspie or wmctrl
[23:37] <miu5> i think wmctrl can work
[23:38] <cusco> hi
[23:39] <cusco> how to keep wifi working on a laptop, when I idle'
[23:39] <cusco> ?
[23:40] <sarnold> cusco: in fact, if you had asked "how do I disconnect my laptop when it's idle", I'd have no idea how to do that... staying connected is just the way it ought to work
[23:40] <cusco> yes.. hmm forgot to mention this is "kubuntu" - not sure if related
[23:41] <cusco> I leave a job running, go to sleep come back to find that it stopped working after a while and wifi was disconnected, even no networks showing on nm
[23:41] <cusco> hmm might be something else, didnt bother to check any logs
[23:41] <cusco> ok thanks
[23:43] <faridodd1n> hi
[23:44] <ecov> cusco: energy saving settings
[23:45] <ecov> cusco: https://i.imgur.com/YtogsM6.png
[23:45] <ecov> at the bottom
[23:45] <faridodd1n> how can i use irc?
[23:45] <faridodd1n> first time i use it
[23:46] <oerheks> faridodd1n, step 1; read the topic.
[23:47] <sarnold> ecov: hooray :)
[23:47] <sarnold> faridodd1n: welcome
[23:48] <faridodd1n> im confused
[23:48] <ecov> youre successfully using IRC right now
[23:49] <ecov> good job, bud
[23:51] <faridodd1n> yeah but how i can get help? just i ask?
[23:52] <ObrienDave> well, since you're on the Ubuntu channel, it's either help with Ubuntu or IRC that you're seeking?
[23:52] <ObrienDave> please don't ask to ask for help, just ask :)
[23:55] <faridodd1n> ok i install ubuntu and told me if you have any questions ask in irc
[23:55] <ObrienDave> so, what is your question?
[23:58] <faridodd1n> can i use pbk file in linux?
[23:58] <faridodd1n> i use it for my office
[23:59] <ObrienDave> not sure where a pbk file comes from


[00:19] <cyberix_> Can I request for a new license to be added?
[00:19] <cyberix_> Or is it just that you look which ones are popular with a heuristic of some sorts?
[00:21] <mwhudson> cyberix_: i think we have a policy of trying to discourage license proliferation
[00:23] <cyberix_> I got the impression ISC license was fairly popular.
[00:24] <wgrant> I think it's actually fairly rare.
[00:25] <manjo> when I try to register key with launchpad I get Launchpad could not verify your signature: (7, 9, 'No public key')
[00:25] <wgrant> manjo: Did you push the key to keyserver.ubuntu.com?
[00:25] <manjo> I clearsigned the key and pasted on the launchpad window
[00:26] <wgrant> manjo: Which page are you on?
[00:26] <manjo> Manoj Iyer •
[00:26] <manjo> Thanks for adding your OpenPGP key to Launchpad. So we can confirm that the key is yours, we need you to use the key to sign some text.
[00:27] <wgrant> Are you sure you're using the right key?
[00:27] <manjo> I did a clearsign verify and it said it looks good
[00:28] <manjo> clearsign & verify
[00:28] <wgrant> The verify said it was the same key that Launchpad is expecting?
[00:29] <manjo> gpg: Signature made Tue 06 Oct 2009 05:57:56 PM CDT using RSA key ID 81991794
[00:29] <manjo> gpg: Good signature from "Manoj Iyer (manjo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:30] <wgrant> And 81991794 is the key you registered on LP?
[00:30] <manjo> I am trying to sign Please register 07C---F to the
[00:30] <manjo> Launchpad user manjo.  2009-10-06 22:23:41 UTC
[00:31] <wgrant> That doesn't look like the same key.
[00:31] <wgrant> The fingerprint ends with F, but the key ID you signed the text with ends with 4.
[00:31] <manjo> let me push that key again
[00:32] <manjo> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys 81991794
[00:32] <manjo> gpg: sending key 81991794 to hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[00:32] <manjo> wgrant, will that take some time to sync ?
[00:33] <wgrant> manjo: The fingerprint of the key with which you are signing the text is F351 0055 1DC0 F8BF 4DB3  A646 5C51 4CA7 8199 1794
[00:34] <wgrant> The text you are signing appears to say the fingerprint it wants is 07C...F
[00:34] <wgrant> => you are using the wrong key
[00:34] <manjo> how do I get it to use the key with fingerprint 07C ?
[00:34] <manjo> to sign ?
[00:34] <manjo> --clearsign --key ?
[00:35] <wgrant> --clearsign -u KEYID
[00:35]  * manjo mia kulpa
[00:37] <manjo> ah that worked
[00:37] <manjo> thanks a ton wgrant
[00:37] <wgrant> manjo: Great. No problem.
[00:59] <visik7> is it planned to add to bazaar automated branch import from at least the 4 main software repositories ? github bitbucket googlecode and sourceforge ?
[01:04] <wgrant> visik7: Launchpad can already import Git, Subversion and CVS branches, which covers all of those except BitBucket.
[01:25] <ub3rst4r> hi, i have a team assigned to my bazaar branch. do i need to change my launchpad-login on bazaar to lrc-team so that it will work right?
[01:25] <wgrant> ub3rst4r: No. As long as you're a member of the team, you will have access.
[01:25] <ub3rst4r> ok
[01:26] <ub3rst4r> how come whenever i go to push to the branch it creates a new one?
[01:26] <ub3rst4r> https://code.launchpad.net/lilregcleaner
[01:26] <ub3rst4r> notice the one with nick58
[01:26] <wgrant> ub3rst4r: Maybe it has stored the old push location, without the team name?
[01:27] <wgrant> bzr push --remember lp:lilregcleaner
[01:27] <ub3rst4r> ok maybe i didnt add the remember
[01:28] <wgrant> You just need to do that the first time.l
[01:30] <ub3rst4r> push branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Enick58/lilregcleaner/devel/
[01:30] <ub3rst4r>  push branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lrc-team/lilregcleaner/devel/
[01:30] <ub3rst4r> :D
[01:30] <wgrant> Great.
[01:30] <ub3rst4r> thanks
[01:30] <wgrant> Now just delete the ~nick58 one, and you'll be fine.
[03:17] <x-warrior> Where can I get more information about how and when to use the section code from launchpad? Actually i'm studing computer science and want to share some codes with the community
[03:18] <x-warrior> but i don't have sure, that this codes will be something like a big program or something like
[04:52] <X-warrior> Where can I get more information about how and when to use the section code from launchpad? Actually i'm studing computer science and want to share some codes with the community
[04:52] <X-warrior> but i don't have sure, that this codes will be something like a big program or something like
[06:00] <RenatoSilva> What's the diff between "target to milestone" and "taget to release" in bugs? The former is a column of the projects table where you select a milestone, the latter is below that table, and you select a series, which in pratice is selectiong the same milestone to me. So what's the diff?
[06:00] <RenatoSilva> Bug 445095 is an example
[06:04] <RenatoSilva> Better: what's the milestone's Active field? What does bug targeting mean there? The release affected by the bug, or next release that will fix it? If this last, then the only way to really identify the milestone to which the bug applies is typing in bug description?
[06:31] <superm1> hey guys i've been trying to get an apport-ified bug filed, but it keeps timing out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+filebug/ywFU8HsUlXQDzhqr1sHd3H2GdB3?field.title=mythfrontend.real+crashed+with+SIGSEGV+in+QMutex%3A%3Alock%28%29
[06:42] <al-maisan> Good morning!
[06:43] <superm1> it keeps telling me to come in #launchpad to talk to you guys about it
[06:56] <superm1> well it eventually got filed after about 45 tries, but why did that time out so many times?
[06:57] <spiv> superm1: the search for possible duplicates can be slow, especially if you have a lot of words in your initial bug summary
[06:57] <superm1> that was even before i got up to the initial bug summary
[06:57] <superm1> it was a big coredump that got attached to it, 53 megs or so
[06:57] <spiv> It's a bug that it's so slow any situation, of course.
[06:58] <spiv> If you have a specific OOPS ID someone will be able take a look at the OOPS report to give a more specific answer about why it was slow for you.
[06:59] <superm1> well it eventually got filed (bug 445173), i didn't notate any of those oops ids. that would have been smart :)
[06:59] <spiv> All new OOPS reports are looked at every day though.
[06:59] <superm1> okay well surely i should show up in it then with my many tries :)
[06:59] <spiv> I'm sure you will :)
[06:59] <superm1> okay thanks!
[06:59] <spiv> I'm glad it got through.
[07:25] <lodder> Hi when I upload to my ppa it won't build getting this error:
[07:25] <lodder> make: *** [debian/python-module-stampdir/time-drive] Error 1
[07:25] <lodder> dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
[07:26] <lodder> I don't even have clue what I can do about it, please help me
[07:26] <lodder> here is the full build log: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33204464/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.time-drive_0.3-1~karmic1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[08:25] <mzz> It looks like launchpad does not like the apport-powered bug I'm trying to file (Error ID: OOPS-1376G935). Is there anything I can do about this?
[08:25] <mzz> (that oops is actually after I tried my standard stupid debugging step of hitting f5 once)
[08:25] <mzz> (sorry, forgot to write down the oops I got before that)
[08:28] <spiv> mzz: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xff in position 2235: unexpected code byte
[08:29] <spiv> mzz: so I guess Launchpad is expecting some data in that the apport attachment to be UTF-8 encoded, but it seems it isn't.
[08:29] <spiv> I don't know enough to say if that's a bug in Launchpad or apport (or both...)
[08:30] <spiv> It does seem likely that Launchpad ought to cope more gracefully in any case.
[08:31] <mzz> hmm, I guess I'll get to figure out where that apport report lives on my drive so I can file manually
[08:31] <wgrant> mzz: /var/crash
[08:31] <mzz> (and you might want the report to debug this, or does the oops include enough of it to debug?)
[08:33]  * mzz is having fun finding other unrelated bugs while trying to debug something, I think this is bug number 4 and counting)
[08:33] <spiv> Not sure if the OOPS report has enough detail, so probably safest and simplest to add the apport file explicitly.
[08:35] <LarstiQ> how do I provide feedback on why https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/blender/trunk is failing?
[08:35] <LarstiQ> I'm pretty sure I know why
[08:36] <mzz> will do, give me a few minutes to more thoroughly debug my failing X server so I can restart it without losing information
[08:51] <mzz> is there some place I can complain or vote or whatever about the current push on ubuntu's end to file all bugs through apport? I know this isn't it, but I still want to do it somewhere.
[08:53] <mzz> (and it's not about this apport report failing, it's about the original problem I was debugging :)
[08:58] <spiv> LarstiQ: I guess you could file a question at answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-code.  It would certainly reach the right people, anyway...
[08:59] <LarstiQ> spiv: thanks, I see someone already did :)
[08:59] <LarstiQ> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/84925
[09:06] <mrevell> Morning! I'm the help contact today.
[09:07] <wgrant> mrevell: Did you mean to truncate the topic?
[09:07] <mrevell> wgrant: Nope, thanks.
[09:09] <wgrant> CHR is going to be substantially less useful for IRC support from next week, as there will no longer be a variety of timezones throughout the week :(
[09:13] <Ursinha> wgrant: indeed
[09:24]  * spiv untruncates the /topic
[09:31]  * mzz finds it somewhat suspicious that this crash report has ProblemType: KernelOops but does not mention the string "oops" elsewhere in the report
[09:32] <spiv> mzz: the phrases "Oops!" springs to mind...
[10:21] <mpt> Where do I find the translations of a particular binary package in Launchpad?
[10:23] <mpt> There's no source package Translations page, and I can't figure out how to get to binary package pages any more
[10:38] <wgrant> mpt: Try a source package in a distroseries.
[10:38] <wgrant> mpt: This has always been the case. Distribution source packages and binary packages have never had translations.
[10:39] <mpt> wgrant, ah yes, I'd forgotten about that
[10:39] <mpt> I knew distribution source packages have never yet had Translations pages, I'd forgotten about distribution series source packages
[10:42] <wgrant> DistributionSourcePackages should really have a Translations tab rather like their Branches tab.
[10:51] <mpt> indeed
[10:55] <kwah> hi all
[10:56] <kwah> are there examples of projects, which use launchpad as hosting platform, but do not use translations functionality?
[10:57] <spiv> kwah: sure.  Launchpad itself is one!
[10:59] <kwah> hm
[11:00] <spiv> If you want another example, https://launchpad.net/lilregcleaner doesn't appear to use Launchpad's translations functionality.
[11:02] <spiv> (I found that example by clicking on random projects in the Featured Projects list at https://launchpad.net/ and looking for one with a page that didn't have "Help translate" link under Get Involved.)
[11:02] <kwah> so, ones that do not use certain functionality do not have corresponding links on the summary page, right?
[11:03] <spiv> Right.
[11:03] <wgrant> They currently have the tabs along the top, but not down the side.
[11:03] <wgrant> I hope the top tabs will start vanishing soon.
[11:03] <spiv> And if you click on the "Translations" tab on the top anyway, you'll see a page like: <https://translations.launchpad.net/lilregcleaner>
[11:04] <kwah> spiv, thank you
[11:06] <kwah> btw, any plans on translating/localising LP itself?
[11:15] <spiv> kwah: I think so, but I'm not sure of the details.
[12:47] <visik7> wgrant: I readed your reply right now :) yes but when I import it says that it's not automated and it could take some hours or days to get the tree imported
[12:56] <mrevell-lunch><PHONE_NUMBER>
[12:56] <mrevell> wrong window, sorry
[13:01] <mainiak> hello
[13:02] <mainiak> i have problem with login/registration to launchpad - I has already created account, but it cannot send me password, and also I cannot register
[13:08] <mrevell> mainiak: Hi
[13:09] <mrevell> mainiak: Does that mean you haven't received the confirmation email?
[13:11] <mainiak> mrevell: yes I did - time ago, and I probably followed link included, but now it shouts:
[13:11] <mainiak> Your account details have not been found. Please check your subscription email address and try again.
[13:12] <mainiak> so I am stucked
[13:12] <mrevell> sinzui: Are you available yet? Do you know what issue  mainiak is facing? I've seen a few people have this problem over the past couple of days.
[13:13] <sinzui> mrevell: I do not know of any changes to the login process in the last 3 monthsn
[13:14] <mrevell> thanks sinzui
[13:14] <mrevell> mainiak: Have you tried re-registering?
[13:14] <mainiak> mrevell: yes - cannot because I am already registered
[13:14] <mainiak> maybe quick way would be to ask you to remove my account
[13:15] <sinzui> mainiak: what is the first word in the email address you used?
[13:15] <mainiak> my nickname ;-)
[13:15] <sinzui> okay, launchpad definitely does not know it
[13:15] <mainiak> strange
[13:16] <sinzui> The login server is really the SSO server, which is not launchpad. so your information is not in launchpad yet
[13:16]  * sinzui thinks
[13:17] <mainiak> sinzui: shoud I reregister?
[13:18] <mainiak> maybe is some state error at register procedure?
[13:18] <sinzui> mainiak: visit https://login.launchpad.net/ It may know you.
[13:19] <sinzui> mainiak: indeed. the single-signon seriver's logintoken has the information launchpad need to make your profile
[13:19] <mainiak> sinzui: password reseted! thanks very much
[13:20]  * mainiak still not catch what was the problem :-/
[13:21] <sinzui> mainiak: I am not certain myself, but reset password is also a  self repair mechanism. it will reconnect your profile to your account.
[13:21] <mainiak> sinzui: ok - thanks
[13:21] <mainiak> see you
[13:41] <Phurl> hi all
[13:41] <Phurl> http://fmtyewtk.blogspot.com/2009/10/launchpad-timeout-error.html
[13:41] <Phurl> (Error ID: OOPS-1376E1704)
[13:45] <sinzui> looks like the db was unavailable
[13:46] <sinzui> Phurl: I do not have access to the page do you? can you verify the page displays?
[13:47] <Phurl> i am just retrying
[13:47] <Phurl> it worked on the 3rd try
[13:50] <Phurl> https://translations.launchpad.net/shqipoffice/trunk/+imports
[13:50] <Phurl> ok  i have the po files ready for import.
[16:24] <kfogel> Guest82960: hey, I'm trying to unsubscribe from receiving notifications about every bug filed against Launchpad.  I'm actually having trouble figuring out how to do that, though.  It appears that I'm a member of Launchpad Bug Contacts indirectly, via Canonical Launchpad Engineering.  But I'm not sure how to translate that knowledge into "unsubscribe me from this torrent of mail".  Help?
[16:25] <Ursinha> :)
[16:25] <Ursinha> ok
[16:25]  * Ursinha reads
[16:25] <Ursinha> kfogel: maybe you're subscribed to launchpad bugs
[16:25] <MTecknology> Is metcalfe around?
[16:25] <Ursinha> I mean, launchpad project bugs
[16:26] <kfogel> Ursinha: could be.  The team vs mailing list thing is hard to trace.
[16:27] <kfogel> Ursinha: I have no memory of what I did a year ago to subscribe, is the problem.
[16:27] <kfogel> Ursinha: I am a member of the ~launchpad-bugs team, indirectly via being a member of ~launchpad, yes.
[16:27] <Ursinha> kfogel: I know that I get all bugs because I've explicitly subscribed to lp project
[16:28] <Ursinha> but before that no
[16:28] <kfogel> Ursinha: if only I could figure out where this explicit subscribe/unsubscribe UI is :-).
[16:28] <Ursinha> kfogel: well :)
[16:28] <Ursinha> let me see
[16:29] <kfogel> Ursinha: (just so you know, I poked around in the UI a lot before I asked you, so if it's there it's at least not obvious to me)
[16:29] <Ursinha> kfogel: well, I think it's in the overview page, https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project
[16:29] <kfogel> Ursinha: I remember seeing once a page that listed all my mailing list subscriptions, and which of my addresses the list goes to.  But now I can't find that page.
[16:29] <Ursinha> subscribe to bug mail
[16:29] <Ursinha> weird thing is that i'm subscribed and it shows the subscribe instead of unsubscribe
[16:30] <Ursinha> kfogel: it's the +editemails page
[16:30] <Ursinha> I guess
[16:30] <kfogel> Ursinha: that page (https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project) offers me to "Subscribe to bug mail" so I doubt it thinks I am already subscribed.
[16:30] <kfogel> Ursinha: +editemails -- great, I'll try that.  Is there any route to reach it via the UI, though?
[16:31] <Ursinha> in your profile page, I guess
[16:31] <kfogel> I stared there.
[16:31] <kfogel> started.
[16:31] <kfogel> Well, and "stared" too I guess :-).
[16:31] <kfogel> hmm, so none of the lists shown on https://edge.launchpad.net/~kfogel/+editemails are the all-launchpad-bugs list.
[16:32] <Ursinha> hmm
[16:33] <Ursinha> matsubara: could you help kfogel, please?
[16:33]  * matsubara reads backlog
[16:33] <kfogel> Ursinha: thanks for help so far.
[16:33] <Ursinha> people are waiting for me right now, actually :)
[16:33] <Ursinha> sorry not being more helpful kfogel
[16:33] <kfogel> Ursinha: oh, gosh, you could have handed me off long ago it would have been no problem.
[16:33] <kfogel> thanks for the time you took
[16:33] <kfogel> matsubara: summary:
[16:33] <Ursinha> kfogel: no problem!
[16:34] <kfogel>   I currently get email for every bug filed against Launchpad.  I'm trying to unsubscribe from that (Strategy Team decided I didn't need to be seeing *every* bug that flies by).
[16:34] <kfogel> matsubara: So, unsubscribing from that turns out to be non-obvious.
[16:35] <kfogel> matsubara: oh
[16:35] <matsubara> kfogel, what does it say in the footer of the email you get?
[16:35] <kfogel> matsubara: I think it's not done via launchpad
[16:35] <kfogel> it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:35] <kfogel> maybe I do this via mailman there
[16:35] <kfogel> let me go try that
[16:36] <kfogel> matsubara: I cover my face in shame.  The footer explains all.  Sorry for wasting yours and Ursinha's time.
[16:36] <matsubara> np :-)
[16:44] <MTecknology> Where did creating a new team move to?
[16:44] <MTecknology> foudn it
[17:23] <Noldorin> hello. when will the next maintainance released of Launchpad Bugs be made?
[17:24] <jml> Noldorin, we rollout to launchpad.net about once a month.
[17:25] <Noldorin> jml: oh i see. any idea when the next one will be? mainly because i'm waiting for a bug in Launchpad Bugs to be fixed :)
[17:25] <jml> Noldorin, See https://dev.launchpad.net/Releases/2009Calendar for the full story
[17:25] <Noldorin> jml: thanks
[17:25] <jml> Noldorin, also, we rollout to edge.launchpad.net every day
[17:25] <Noldorin> oh, i see
[17:25] <Noldorin> that's useful to know
[17:30] <Noldorin> jml: i;m wondering why this still hasn't been fixed: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/438985
[17:30] <Noldorin> even on the latest release... what does triaged mean?
[17:30] <gmb> Noldorin: It's on my to do list for this week.
[17:30] <gmb> But other, more pressing issues have had to be dealt with first.
[17:30] <Noldorin> gmb: ok, fair enough :)
[17:30] <jml> Noldorin, "Triaged" means we've figured out the priority.
[17:30] <Noldorin> there are worse bugs?
[17:30] <Noldorin> ah
[17:31] <Noldorin> i haven't noticed any other major bugs with the system, but trust there are enough
[17:31] <gmb> Noldorin: There are 1683 open bugs for Launchpad Bugs; some of them are bound to be higher priority (and in many cases less visible)
[17:32] <gmb> Noldorin: However, it's a relatively easy fix.
[17:32] <Noldorin> yeah, i imagined so
[17:32] <Noldorin> alright, good to have a clue how your maintainance schedule works, at least.
[17:32] <Noldorin> :)
[17:34] <jml> that said, our fearless leader will be sending an email about a Zero OOPS policy any minute now.
[17:34] <jml> good night all.
[17:36] <Noldorin> night
[17:37] <Noldorin> heh, you serious about the zero OOPS policy? :P
[17:43] <mantiena> hi all
[17:46] <mantiena> Maybe someone know why my packages are waiting in build queue for about 2 hours, while 3 i386 builders are Idle, see https://edge.launchpad.net/builders
[17:46] <mantiena> it looks like some problem in launchpad building service again :(
[17:49] <mrevell> hi mantiena
[17:49] <mrevell> bigjools: Are you able to help mantiena
[17:49]  * bigjools looks
[17:53] <mantiena> now 6 builders are idle..
[17:53] <bigjools> mantiena: we've just fixed the problem, should burst back to life in a bit
[17:53] <bigjools> thanks for letting us know
[17:54] <mantiena> bigjools: thank you for fixing ;)
[17:54] <mantiena> bigjools: were was the problem?
[17:54] <bigjools> we sometimes have a problem resetting builders after they finish and it hangs
[17:55] <mantiena> :(
[18:03] <michaelforrest> I'm googling this but not coming up with much: is there a way to do releases through Launchpad?
[18:05] <michaelforrest> it's not clear how I add a 'download' even.
[18:05] <beuno> michaelforrest, hi
[18:05] <beuno> yes
[18:05] <beuno> you need to create a milestone, and release it
[18:06] <beuno> you will then be able to upload files
[18:06] <michaelforrest> will milestones show up even if I want my project to be private?
[18:07] <michaelforrest> I am cautious about using certain features in case they compromise the proprietary nature of the project
[18:07] <beuno> michaelforrest, in theory, private projects can't be seen in any way
[18:07] <beuno> pople get 404s
[18:08] <beuno> but
[18:08] <beuno> bac knows this for sure
[18:08] <beuno> or sinzui even
[18:08] <michaelforrest> last time I checked the only thing that was private was a branch
[18:08] <michaelforrest> maybe this comes back to the problem with my team not being properly private
[18:08] <sinzui> There is no such thing as a private project
[18:09] <beuno> ah, right
[18:09] <beuno> it's only private teams
[18:09] <sinzui> A project may have private branches by default, and a team may be given public access to the branches by default
[18:12] <sinzui> michaelforrest: project names, series, milestones, and releases must have obfuscated names if you want to prevent identity information from leaking. Throwing darts at a dictionary might be the best way to do this
[18:12] <sinzui> :(
[18:12] <michaelforrest> sinzui: that makes me very sad. Names are very important.
[18:13] <sinzui> Yes. Some people believe their projects were compromised by milestone names.
[18:25] <jseabold> This isn't strictly a launchpad question, but does lp provide private repos?  I want to put my dissertation under version control, but don't want people necessarily finding it.
[18:42] <shrike_> anyone install launchpad on a sheevaplug or similar arm cpu?
[19:03] <Lysi> Hi, anyone knows about server problem for updating Karmic?
[21:39] <bwmcadams> I'm fairly new to dealing with debian/ubuntu packaging and trying to figure something out.... I have a slightly modified version of an ubuntu shipped package that another package in my PPA is dependent on for building...
[21:39] <bwmcadams> How do I set the versioning/config properly so that when I upload, it builds against my version rather than the default ubuntu verison?
[21:43] <bwmcadams> ah, i think i see ,the ~ needs to be leading and not a + designator
[23:47] <Noldorin> hello.
[23:48] <Noldorin> i'm trying to create a GPG signature file for uploading to Launchpad for my release...
[23:48] <Noldorin> i'm getting a strange error however:
[23:48] <Noldorin> gpg: can't open `signature': No error
[23:48] <Noldorin> gpg: signing failed: file open error
[23:48] <Noldorin> any ideas?


[00:00] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, if you publish to the forum before I get on and you have any issues that you can not fix I will when I get here
[00:00] <Wild_Man> It is easy though
[00:05] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Think you have given my eough hints I will struggle through :)
[00:07] <Bashing-om> krytarik: GitHub: ^^ putting a bit of salve on the wound . We want to run it as seperate from the ' THE Verge " article ?
[00:08] <krytarik> You mean feature more than one post on it?
[00:10] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Well, not sure how to handle ut .. maybe as a added note to see a different perspective of that " trust and respect " issue .
[00:13] <krytarik> Do you have another article on that in mind already?
[00:22] <Bashing-om> krytarik: It is done .. maybe a bit of polishing yet .
[12:23] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Coming Soon: Wacom Firmware Updates on Linux @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=132095 (by Joey Sneddon)
[18:58] <Bashing-om> Looked again for additional material .. nothing new to add for UWN. Looks to be a very skimpy issue this week :(
[18:59] <krytarik> Yes, summer time I guess.. :P
[19:01] <Bashing-om> everybody - but us - has gone swimming .. or maybe it is the ice-cream ?
[19:01] <krytarik> How about both? :D