[08:17] <OrgulloKmoore> techmad> I had about 20 window open...I was programming. Before, in the same session, I reset my root's password, as well as a lot of other configuration (I don't turn off my computer very often)
[08:17] <Awesome-o2000> I seem to be having a better time with ndiswrapper and streaming video using the 386 kernel vs the k7. as long as it doesnt freeze Im satisfied
[08:17] <bloody_kenny> hi
[08:17] <tsume> Tonren: gvim? you're kidding me :)
[08:17] <tsume> Tonren: I use emacs and vim in gnome-terminal
[08:17] <Awesome-o2000> I really dont care about optimization on that system vs stability and the ability to stream video over the wireless
[08:17] <tsume> or urxvt
[08:17] <Tonren> tsume: It depends on my mood.  Sometimes I like gvim, sometimes I like vim.
[08:18] <slowz3r> Ok..for some reason i cant get Ubuntu to boot from the cd.. i tried sbootmgr.dsk too and when i do that and i select the CD drive i get a "Cd error"  any help
[08:18] <techmad> OrgulloKmoore: did you try the recovery console option when you boot into grub?
[08:18] <HackerX> Ok how do i use Chmod to unlock a folder
[08:18] <HackerX> ?
[08:18] <EdLin> boxahy: xchat isn't installed by default anymore.
[08:18] <samuli> boxahy, dapper doesn't come with it for some reason.  I don't know what to do there...
[08:18] <Tonren> tsume: I like gvim because it doesn't clutter my gnome-terminal.  "code goes in gvim, shell goes in terminal"
[08:18] <EdLin> boxahy: well, you can use gaim, which is, with IRC. Though it's not a great IRC program
[08:18] <techmad> OrgulloKrmoore: sec ill get you a how-to
[08:19] <samuli> boxahy, Considering that you could irc while installing if it were there. REALLY stupid.
[08:19] <gluttony> hi, im here for help getting my printer working, and my sound working
[08:19] <ideogram> If I install Ubuntu LAMP is it easy to switch in PostgreSQL and maybe another language later?
[08:19] <bloody_kenny> how do u do wpa in cription
[08:19] <HackerX> well i tryed to use the mv command to move a tar file into a folder but it didnt work so im just going to drag it in but to do so i need to unlock my home folder
[08:19] <dpn> Is there a way to get the mouse wheel click scroll function in opera?
[08:19] <ljlolel> ideogram: yes
[08:19] <slowz3r> Tonren:ya i did..im realy frustraited now ive seriously re burend and downloaded it about 5 times
[08:19] <ideogram> this is great, I love Ubuntu!
[08:19] <ljlolel> i love ubuntu!
[08:19] <Cntryboy> orgullokmoore: it takes u to terminal?
[08:20] <bloody_kenny> m2
[08:20] <boxahy> ok, just installed dapper. what repo's should i add?
[08:20] <bloody_kenny> but/windos
[08:20] <OrgulloKmoore> Cntryboy> the recovery mode takes me directly to a shell: #root@kyle:
[08:20] <Tonren> slowz3r: Do you get to the screen where it lets you choose between Installing and Checking, etc.?
[08:20] <maltron> does anyone know what controls the mixing of sound in ubuntu/kubuntu?  Something seems to have been corrupted either by a buggy app or by my fiddling around with modules, but now I keep getting "/dev/dsp device could not be opened" and such
[08:20] <polpak> boxahy: just turn on universe and multiverse
[08:20] <samuli> boxahym the usual universe and multiverse.
[08:20] <Tonren> slowz3r: or does it crash even before that?
[08:20] <crimsun> maltron: alsa-lib "controls" it.
[08:20] <boxahy> if i can figure it out :P
[08:20] <Cntryboy> orgullokmoore: have you tried to dkpg-reconfigure xorg.conf
[08:20] <tsume> Lynoure: you use magnets to edit files? ;)
[08:20] <ic56> HackerX: I seriously doubt that your problem is that your "home folder is locked" (however that may be interpreted -- one doesn't normally speak of "locking" folders in unix)
[08:20] <Cntryboy> orgullokmoore: what does startx do?
[08:20] <slowz3r> Tonren: it wont even boot off the CD
[08:20] <Cntryboy> at terminal
[08:21] <ic56> HackerX: more likely, you lacked access to the tar file.
[08:21] <techmad> OrgulloKmoore: To reset your password in the recovery console try and type sudo password (new password)
[08:21] <Tonren> slowz3r: but do you at least get to the preliminary screen?
[08:21] <gluttony> i ran cups, and it recognized my printer, but when i clicked next, it took me to a screen where i was supposed to pick my model, again, and now its not there
[08:21] <ic56> HackerX: what was the error message you got?
[08:21] <slowz3r> Tonren: nope
[08:21] <Cntryboy> techmad: I didn't know he was wanting to change his password?
[08:21] <Tonren> slowz3r: jesus.  what kind of box are you running?
[08:21] <OrgulloKmoore> techmad> sudo: unable to lookup kyle.example.com via gethostbyname()
[08:21] <ideogram> should I get the DVD release?  What additional stuff is on there?
[08:21] <HackerX> ic56,mv: missing destination file
[08:22] <slowz3r> Tonren: 3.2 Ghz p4 extreme edition, gig of PC400
[08:22] <techmad> OrgulloKmoore: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sudo
[08:22] <maltron> crimsun: ok, so how might  I go about fixing it?  Everything was fine yesterday, but now I can only get sound out of one app at a time.  Could a config file be missing or corrupted?
[08:22] <samuli> slowz3r, you know that your home directory isn't /home but /home/username, right? (don't be offended :)
[08:22] <Tonren> slowz3r: maybe you're too hardcore for ubuntu.  :\
[08:22] <ic56> HackerX: sounds like you mistyped or misused the command.  Please paste the command you typed.  Show me the *exact* thing you typed.
[08:22] <bloody_kenny> hi herri
[08:23] <Tonren> slowz3r: there could be something wrong with your CD burner.
[08:23] <Awesome-o2000> hmm - so far its looking good - ive never had ndiswrapper work before so Ive got my fingers crossed
[08:23] <HackerX> ic56, mv: missing destination file
[08:23] <Tonren> slowz3r: no wait, you said the checksum passed, right?  that couldn't be it, then...
[08:23] <slowz3r> Tonren: my first linux.....Windows is realy to boring..i tried installing Mandriva too and i get an error saying that their is no hd list
[08:23] <crimsun> maltron: sorry, busy. Please paste the output from ``lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*'' onto http://pastebin.ca
[08:23] <slowz3r> Tonren: but dont worry about that i know this isnt a Mandriva IRC
[08:24] <ic56> HackerX: you've already shown me the error message.  Show me the *command* you used.
[08:24] <Awesome-o2000> I think perhaps it was the optimized kernel or something - it killed me on gentoo, killed me after a short time in ubuntu with k7 kernel, but so far is working really well with ubuntu 386 kernel
[08:24] <slowz3r> samuli: huh?
[08:24] <bloody_kenny> i love daper
[08:24] <HackerX> ic56, sorry wrong thing here mv ~/spca5xx-20051212.tar.gz
[08:25] <bloody_kenny> wat
[08:25] <Awesome-o2000> I am going to have to do some rather thorough inspection of configs
[08:25] <polpak> Awesome-o2000: I doubt the ndiswrapper would work because the drivers it's "wrapping" are x86
[08:25] <dadgumit> why does it seem like the resolutions I can select in the gui have nothing to do with what i set up in the xorg configurator?
[08:25] <bloody_kenny> ubuntu daper dake
[08:25] <maltron> crimsun: no worries.  Here is it: http://pastebin.ca/83003
[08:25] <polpak> !resolution
[08:25] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart (GNOME), sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart (KDE) To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:25] <slowz3r> Tonren: you still there?
[08:25] <Awesome-o2000> polpak, well it worked REALLY bad w either gentoo or ubuntu with any kind of optimized kernel
[08:25] <techmad> HackerX you have to use mv /folder/to/file.tar /folder/to/move/file.tar
[08:25] <ic56> HackerX: ok, I see the problem.  the mv command takes *two* arguments: a source and a desitnation.  You didn't specify the destination.  But I note that the source is already in your destination
[08:25] <Awesome-o2000> polpak, but it appears im nice and stable w 386
[08:26] <samuli> slowz3r, you had problems moving a tar-ball to your home directory right?
[08:26] <Awesome-o2000> Im going to leave it streaming overnight
[08:26] <ic56> HackerX: so why are you trying to move it?
[08:26] <crimsun> maltron: ok. Do you use KDE or GNOME (or both)?
[08:26] <Tonren> slowz3r: yeah, i got nothin' though
[08:26] <Eleaf> I'm having trouble with notifications ;p..
[08:26] <Eleaf> ;D
[08:26] <slowz3r> samuli: lol..wrong person :)
[08:26] <Awesome-o2000> that would be nice, it would enable me to use my wrt54g on the front end again
[08:26] <bloody_kenny> how do u make ubuntu work for wpa
[08:26] <Eleaf> libnotify notifications sytem won't work
[08:26] <polpak> Awesome-o2000: I know because the kernel is k7 (which is the 64 bit build afaik) but the drivers are build for x86
[08:26] <slowz3r> Tonren: damn...lol
[08:26] <maltron> crimsun: I usually use kde but have both installed
[08:26] <crimsun> maltron: please join me in #kubuntu
[08:26] <maltron> mar1n2B
[08:26] <Tonren> slowz3r: i'm amazed you don't even get to the start screen.  what's the error you get?
[08:26] <samuli> slowz3r, It's too damn busy in here :)
[08:26] <maltron> crimsun: okay
[08:27] <ideogram> hey, the CD image for installing desktop and server is the same?
[08:27] <Awesome-o2000> polpak, IU just figured that out - but that doesnt explain why the ones I'd compile on gentoo would cause problems - which I will freely admit is my own fault
[08:27] <slowz3r> Tonren: i even used the sbootmgr.dsk boot disk and i got the the sbootmgr screen but when i select my drive i get an error
[08:27] <OrgulloKmoore> I think the problem lies in my /etc/hosts file, which reads <IP_ADDRESS>	kyle
[08:27] <techmad> samuli: its always busy in here :)
[08:27] <slowz3r> Tonren: I dont get an error..it just wont boot from CD
[08:27] <OrgulloKmoore> it should say <IP_ADDRESS>	localhost......no?
[08:27] <Tonren> slowz3r: what do you mean '"just won't"?  it doesn't give you an error, it just hangs?
[08:27] <slowz3r> samuli: lol.ya kinda hard to keep track o stuff
[08:27] <samuli> techmad, It's like wall street on steroids.
[08:27] <Awesome-o2000> polpak, not only that but I suspect if I used the k7 kernel and compiled them myself i'd have problems as well
[08:27] <techmad> samuli: lol
[08:28] <slowz3r> Tonren: ok like ill set it to boot from CD and then it will go through the boot sequence like their is no CD their..then it will bootinto windoes
[08:28] <bloody_kenny> bye guys
[08:28] <compengi> if i will delete the archive files /var/cache/apt/archives will it make any difference?
[08:28] <slowz3r> Tonren: and the error with sbootmgr is just a little red box and "error0x0
[08:28] <Tonren> slowz3r: ooh.  you know what you should do?  do you know how to get into your BIOS?
[08:29] <rusher> hello
[08:29] <Tonren> slowz3r: don't bother with sbootmgr. use the plain old Live CD.  go into your BIOS and make sure that it tries to boot from the CD-Rom FIRST.
[08:29] <Tonren> slowz3r: it should have a field for "boot volume order" or something
[08:29] <slowz3r> Tonren: ya i know how to get into my bios..ya and it is set to bootfist
[08:29] <Tonren> slowz3r: ah, crap
[08:29] <EdLin> compengi: run "apt-get clean" to make sure
[08:29] <Tonren> slowz3r: hurl your computer into the sun!
[08:30] <slowz3r> Tonren: ya thats what i said..ive fortmatted with windows many times..
[08:30] <compengi> EdLin, what is that for?
[08:30] <EdLin> compengi: man apt-get
[08:30] <slowz3r> Tonren: and what realy gets me mad and wants me to urinate on my PC is that i cant even get Mendriva past formatting
[08:30] <compengi> EdLin, what does this command do?
[08:31] <Tonren> slowz3r: your problem blows my mind.
[08:31] <Awesome-o2000> slowz3r, the problem is zapping oneself when the stream hits.
[08:31] <EdLin> compengi: if you read the manpage like I mentioned it will tell you.
[08:31] <slowz3r> Awesome-o2000: huh
[08:32] <Awesome-o2000> slowz3r, if you urinate on your PC, you will most likely at the very least knock yourself down
[08:32] <samuli> slowz3r, pee is conductive :)
[08:32] <boxahy> ok, i have breezy community repo's on my system. how do i edit it for daper
[08:32] <tsume> wow
[08:32] <slowz3r> Tonren: ya ive even watched some tutorial ubuntu and it looks so simple but noo its all compicated
[08:32] <tsume> I went to Salvation army, and bought a really great scanner for 5 bucks
[08:32] <tsume> Epson Perfection 1200U
[08:32] <boxahy> cool
[08:32] <slowz3r> samuli: damn mythbusters lied to me!!!
[08:32] <tsume> works with sane
[08:32] <Tonren> slowz3r: it was pretty simple for me too.  and i'm on an AMD64 laptop
[08:33] <crazy_penguin> good morning to all!
[08:33] <tsume> Epson has a really fast scanner which is comparable to Kodak's scanner which is like 600USD a few years ago :P
[08:33] <samuli> slowz3r, did they encourage you to 'water-cool' your computer too? :D
[08:33] <Awesome-o2000> if I am using a 386 kernel on an athlon XP I wont have stability problems, it just wont be "optimized" , right?
[08:33] <slowz3r> Tonren: ya i tried everything....when u installed did u just set to boot from CD and let it go or what
[08:33] <Awesome-o2000> no 3dnow or mmx or sse or any of that nonsense
[08:34] <slowz3r> samuli: actualy yes my comp is watercooled...DangerDen FTW
[08:34] <tsume> hmm, life can't get any better than this. Living in Alaska, have place, a malamute, and tons of computer stuff :D
[08:34] <Tonren> slowz3r: I didn't even have to set it.. must've been default.  I popped the CD in, restarted, hit "Boot/Install" and was on my way
[08:34] <tsume> and making even more money via programming apart from the full time salary job which I get bored much in.
[08:34] <samuli> slowz3r, It might be too cool for linux :/
[08:35] <slowz3r> samuli: iv worked with everything else except linux..hell i even installed DOS on a POS computer for fun
[08:35] <Awesome-o2000> well answer or no answer - thanks for gettig ndiswrapper working, with whatever kernel compination
[08:35] <slowz3r> Tonren: isnt their a way to install from desktop or no ?
[08:35] <dadgumit> my xorg.conf IN NO WAY relates to my selection of resolution in the gui
[08:35] <Tonren> slowz3r: not from windows desktop.
[08:36] <Tonren> slowz3r: which CD did you dowlnoad, exactly?
[08:36] <dadgumit> and this is after reboot
[08:36] <slowz3r> Tonren: ive downloaded all 3 and tried
[08:36] <Tonren> slowz3r: there are more than three.  have you downloaded the Dapper Live Desktop CD matching your processor?
[08:37] <boxahy> after upgrading from breezy to dapper, can i just change the name in the community repo's?
[08:37] <HackerX> &*& how do i get gcc-3.4 to work??? &*&\
[08:37] <boxahy> to dapper
[08:37] <slowz3r> Tonren: ive downloaded Desktop CD(x86) Serverinstall Cd(X86) and Alternat install cd (x86)
[08:38] <Tonren> slowz3r: hmmm...
[08:38] <ic56> HackerX: what do you mean when you say gcc doesn't work?  Please get into the habbit of reporting an error message rather than just saying "doesn't work".
[08:38] <slowz3r> Tonren: ever heard of somthing like this happening
[08:38] <Tonren> slowz3r: no way dude.  this is weird.
[08:39] <miguelsr> some one know a channel for p2p?
[08:39] <slowz3r> Tonren: i dobut it but is it possible but can i be burning ti "wrong"..lol
[08:39] <Tonren> slowz3r: i dunno, man
[08:39] <HackerX> Ic56, Check ur PM
[08:39] <polpak> slowz3r: if you browse the cd, what files are on int?
[08:39] <polpak> slowz3r: it rather
[08:39] <Tonren> slowz3r: try ordering a cd from ShipIt or have a friend burn it
[08:40] <vigilante> Anybody here runing Quake 4 demo?  (mine is running fine, but sound is horrible)
[08:40] <EdLin> !pm
[08:40] <ubotu> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[08:40] <slowz3r> Tonren: let me pop the disk in now..and i did order a CD ..i just dont wanna wait..
[08:40] <rusher> how do you people download torrent moviies when they always need a password
[08:40] <tsume> woot, this scanner is on the market at 200USD :P
[08:40] <tritium> rusher: don't ask that here
[08:40] <Tonren> tsume: fell off the truck?
[08:40] <firebird619> I use TVtime for watching tv, but I don't have any sound. I have found that the problem is because I use digital speakers. Is there a way to make tvtime work with digital, or does anyone know of a program that does work with digital speakers?
[08:41] <HackerX> ic56, FATAL: Error inserting spca5xx (/lib/modules/2.6.15-25-386/kernel/drivers/usb/me dia/spca5xx.ko): Invalid module format
[08:41] <compengi> EdLin, can you give me the link?
[08:41] <tsume> Tonren: bought for 5 bucks from salvation army
[08:42] <cavediver^work> Hi guys, Is it possible to add some option to decrypt files using right-click on a pgp file ?
[08:42] <derek> hi men   i can't play mp3 on phythmbox music player , can anybody tell me how to ?
[08:42] <Tonren> tsume: whoaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:42] <tsume> Tonren: in 2000, this scanner used to cost 299USD
[08:42] <cavediver^work> Encrypting is availible but not decrypt for some reason.
[08:42] <Tonren> derek: It's on wiki.ubuntu.org.  search for RestrictedFormats
[08:42] <EdLin> compengi: I don't know of a link to the apt-get manpage, use the man command
[08:42] <unstablesob> !mp3
[08:42] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:42] <Tonren> !restrictedformats
[08:42] <tsume> Tonren: its lighting fast, and really good. 1200x1400 36-bit color
[08:42] <derek> Tonren, ok  thanks
[08:42] <csk> hi all. i am trying to make a folder i have mounted to have write privilage. i know i have to use "chmod 755 My Music" to get it to work but everytime i type My Music in terminal it says "no such file or directory"
[08:42] <tsume> Tonren: scanning normal stuff, its like.. *zip* *zip* done!
[08:42] <slowz3r> Tonren: this is the desktop Cd files..disk,bin,casper,disctree,dist,install,isolinux,pics,pool,preseed,programs  those are the folders here are the individual files... autorun,md5sum,readme.diskdefnes,start and an ubuntu file that is 0k so i dunno what that is
[08:42] <tsume> Tonren: I'm like.. *aww* :P
[08:43] <HackerX> ic56, ???
[08:43] <Tonren> slowz3r: wait, dude, what are you talkin gabout right now?  did it boot to Ubuntu Desktop?
[08:43] <tsume> Tonren: I used to have a microtek years ago, it was so slow as hell
[08:43] <polpak> slowz3r: that seems fine. you sure the bios is configured to boot from the CD?
[08:43] <Tonren> tsume: I've had a CanoSCan LiDE30 for like four years, it's so freaking good
[08:43] <miguelsr> some one know a channel for p2p?
[08:43] <slowz3r> polpak: yes 100% sure
[08:44] <dpn> Is there a way to stretch the bars in gnome across both monitors with twinview?
[08:44] <ic56> HackerX: I haven't tried to do what I'm guessing you are trying to do (and you didn't tell us) but I'm guessing the problem might be that you are mixing and matching different versions of gcc: the library was built with one version.  You are now building a module with a different version.  That's always likely to cause trouble.  In Linux, in Windows, in any system.
[08:44] <slowz3r> Tonren: u said to explore the CD and tell u waht was in it
[08:44] <Tonren> slowz3r: i, uh... that wasn't me.
[08:44] <tsume> dpn: no, now go away ;)
[08:44] <dpn> :o
[08:44] <slowz3r> Tonren: oopps..lol..
[08:45] <tsume> my girl Faith is so cool :)
[08:45] <ic56> HackerX: either switch back to the version of gcc with which your system was built or else rebuild all your libraries.
[08:45] <tsume> http://tsumelabs.com/malamute/
[08:45] <slowz3r> polpak: TEAR
[08:45] <HackerX> ic56, FATAL: Error inserting spca5xx (/lib/modules/2.6.15-25-386/kernel/drivers/usb/me dia/spca5xx.ko): Invalid module format
[08:45] <HackerX> ic56 ugh sorry
[08:45] <vigilante> Anybody know why sound in Quake 4 demo would be all garbled and choppy?
[08:46] <HackerX> ic56, wrong thing
[08:46] <ideogram> Lite-On/Cendyne drives are crap
[08:46] <slowz3r> samsung/plextor FTW
[08:46] <ideogram> I bought a plextor a year ago and it rocks
[08:46] <ideogram> my old Lite-On is dying
[08:46] <slowz3r> lol
[08:46] <ideogram> barely used it
[08:47] <slowz3r> I WANT TO GO OUTSIDE and shoot my computer with my paintball gun...ahhh
[08:47] <HackerX> ic56, ok im reading on the site that i can use export CC=gcc-3.4 workaround to get it to work
[08:48] <crimsun> HackerX: that's relevant for Breezy
[08:48] <HackerX> ugh
[08:48] <HackerX> crimsun, ok so then how do i get my Logitech Quickcam to work???
[08:48] <OrgulloKmoore> yay!
[08:48] <OrgulloKmoore> I fixed it
[08:48] <crimsun> HackerX: does it not work with the default Ubuntu kernel?
[08:49] <crimsun> (2.6.15-25.43)
[08:49] <HackerX> crimsun, no i cant get it to work
[08:49] <HackerX> i cant remember the error off hand
[08:50] <HackerX> plus im banned on this channel for one swearword so its not easy for me to copy things
[08:50] <HackerX> with the workaround im using
[08:50] <crimsun> HackerX: pastebin will suffice
[08:50] <HackerX> yea
[08:52] <cavediver^work> Anyone know if there is a "install to encrypted filesystem" going on? I'd love to see that in Eft, perfect on my laptop.
[08:52] <cavediver^work> project should go in there somewhere :)
[08:53] <slowz3r> hey.realy quick question
[08:53] <HackerX> ! paste
[08:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:53] <slowz3r> what is the average time it takes for an ubuntu CD to arive if u ordered it from shipit
[08:54] <cavediver^work> Mine took a month
[08:54] <cavediver^work> but I order a week before release also
[08:54] <slowz3r> sigh..i cant wait taht longs.../life
[08:54] <slowz3r> lol
[08:54] <cavediver^work> A month is not long... compared to a year :=)
[08:55] <HackerX> crimsun, Http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17601
[08:55] <slowz3r> ouch ...a year...o well i guess ill keep trying to install ubuntu untill it arives or a run my fingers to the bone on my keyobard
[08:56] <crimsun> HackerX: do you have build-essential installed?
[08:56] <top222> I had fun using a 40MB FAT32 partition on the HD of a laptop, downloading the installer there, and then using a GRUB bootdisk to start the installer.
[08:57] <HackerX> crimsun, yes
[08:58] <top222> Then it took some hours to download all the packages from the 'net, but the end result was a working Dapper system (not including the Thinkpad-ish problems I had after that).
[08:58] <crimsun> HackerX: apt-get --reinstall install build-essential
[08:59] <top222> Has anyone thought about a world file for Ubuntu?
[08:59] <holycow> what is a world file?
[08:59] <HackerX> crimsun, nope same thing
[08:59] <kaot> like portage has?
[08:59] <top222> It means you need, let's say, 10 different programs or packages
[08:59] <top222> They pull in some 200 dependencies
[09:00] <holycow> and?
[09:00] <top222> Then you remove one of those programs, but the dependencies that were there only for that program still remain
[09:00] <crimsun> HackerX: apt-get --reinstall install gcc-4.0
[09:00] <holycow> thats stupid, aptitude already does that
[09:00] <tritium> top222: using aptitude eliminates that problem
[09:00] <top222> Is Aptitude a GUI for apt-get?
[09:01] <tritium> top222: not a gui, no
[09:01] <snoops> synaptic is a gui for apt
[09:01] <archetypo> can someone explain the pmounter in ubuntu?  is there a way to change the behaviour of volumes being added to the desktop?
[09:01] <HackerX> crimsun, same thing
[09:01] <technician> hi i am doing failover router tutorial but in my ubuntu  i dont have iptables in /etc/iptables so how to restart
[09:02] <top222> How do I get to use aptitude?
[09:02] <kaot> technician: erm... what?
[09:02] <archetypo> and another thing...isn't there a gnome gui tool to change the login screen (currently showing xubuntu) i know how to do this manually just curious where the applet is to do it?
[09:02] <technician> in this tutorial in this step it is required to restart network and iptables
[09:02] <crimsun> HackerX: same thing? pastebin ``gcc -v''
[09:02] <tritium> top222: it's already installed for you.
[09:02] <technician> kaot i am using ubuntu to make failover router
[09:02] <technician> i have a tutorial in which we use iptable rules
[09:02] <top222> tritium: Where do I go to specify the packages I really want, to separate them from pure dependencies?
[09:03] <holycow> !aptitude
[09:03] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[09:03] <technician> but there is a step which states you have to restart network and iptables
[09:03] <top222> Thanks, I'll check that
[09:03] <tritium> top222: as I said, aptitude can do that (not retroactively, of course)
[09:03] <HackerX> crimsun, command not found
[09:03] <technician> but in /etc/init.d/ there is no iptables how to restart that
[09:03] <polpak> technician: you'll have to make one
[09:03] <crimsun> HackerX: then you can't have reinstalled gcc-4.0
[09:03] <kaot> technician: I guesss you could do iptables-save >~/iptables-rules and then iptables-restore <~/iptables-rules
[09:03] <top222> tritium: Then a world-file-ish functionality would still be an improvement
[09:03] <technician> polpak how do i make one ?
[09:04] <tritium> top222: no, just use aptitude to begin with
[09:04] <crimsun> HackerX: pastebin this command and all its output: ``sudo apt-get --reinstall install gcc-4.0''
[09:04] <technician> kaot if i save and the rule is not proper then i dont know how to delete
[09:04] <tritium> top222: there are also deborphan and debfoster
[09:04] <top222> tritium: How many people know to do that?
[09:04] <holycow> oh forgot about those right
[09:04] <tritium> top222: I've never taken a poll
[09:05] <kaot> technician: well, "restart iptables" makes no sense, really.  It isn't a service, per se.
[09:05] <technician> kaot can i send u the link of the tutorial can you guide me ?
[09:05] <top222> I must admit I had quite a mess with Gentoo's world file too, by manually installing the dependencies too, one at a time.
[09:05] <kaot> yeh what's the url
[09:05] <crimsun> top222: a "world file"? How do you propose to integrate this into apt?
[09:05] <snoops> if I install a package with many dependancies with apt-get, can I use aptitude to remove the package + any unused dependancies or do I have to use aptitude to install for that ability?
[09:05] <technician> http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/05/04/10/2132252.shtml?tid=129&tid=100&tid=119
[09:05] <crimsun> snoops: the latter.
[09:05] <snoops> k, thanks
[09:06] <tritium> snoops: that's why I said above that it can't be used retroactively
[09:06] <top222> crimsun: I don't think it could be integrated.  But it could be an additional functionality for Synaptic, for example.
[09:06] <HackerX> crimsun, Http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17602
[09:06] <vigilante> Im getting same messed up sound with both quake 4 and Doom 3, anybody know how to fix please help?
[09:06] <crimsun> top222: so how do you propose to integrate it with apt?
[09:07] <top222> crimsun: A tool in a separate window where you have a) set of all installed packages, b) set of metapackages and c) set of packages not needed by these metapackages and programs.
[09:07] <snoops> tritium sorry, didn't see you say that
[09:07] <crimsun> top222: don't you see that if you integrate it into an apt frontend, you're simply reintroducing what aptitude does?
[09:07] <tritium> snoops: that's okay
[09:07] <crimsun> top222: the functionality needs to be developed at a lower level in the stack than the frontend.
[09:08] <top222> crimsun: Does aptitude allow one to manually construct the world file, or see the changes it would cause, on a per-package basis?
[09:08] <Shizboom> how would i do something like this in ubuntu? http://myweb.wit.edu/keddemn/ad01.jpg
[09:08] <Shizboom> with the embedded page
[09:08] <crimsun> top222: dpkg already does that, and apt extends it
[09:08] <crimsun> top222: although your "world file" is fairly ambiguous here.
[09:08] <HackerX> crimsun, Http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17602
[09:08] <Ayabara> hi guys! I have started partitioning my hd for installing ubuntu, and I need som help. stefg and snoops helped me find a partition layout yesterday. 7-10GB root+home, 2GB swap, 1,5GB for /var and the rest fat32 storage.
[09:09] <snoops> Shizboom that being actice desktop in windows right?
[09:09] <Shizboom> yes
[09:09] <kaot> technician: those instructions apply to a different distro.  you want to do something like I said, iptables-save >/etc/ruleset, and then add to your /etc/rc.local a line like /sbin/iptables-restore </etc/ruleset
[09:09] <snoops> hey Ayabara :)
[09:09] <Ayabara> snoops: hey :-)
[09:09] <top222> crimsun: It is a set of "primary" packages that are wanted for their own functionality, not because something depends on them.
[09:09] <dpn> How do I remove a directory
[09:09] <technician> kaot once it is save then how to delete if doesnt worked ?
[09:09] <crimsun> HackerX: now, ``apt-get --reinstall install gcc''
[09:09] <holycow> dpn, rm -rf
[09:09] <kaot> technician: remove the line from /etc/rc.local
[09:10] <kaot> technician: then iptables -F
[09:10] <kaot> sudo of course
[09:10] <top222> crimsun: The point is the ability to specify those packages, and see all the unnecessary stale dependencies that are not needed by the specified packages.
[09:10] <kaot> technician: also iptables -t nat -F
[09:10] <kaot> technician: but if you've got an existing ruleset you probably should have saved it before making those changes.  little late now I guess.
[09:10] <technician> F stands for ?
[09:10] <kaot> flush
[09:11] <crimsun> top222: please let us migrate to #ubuntu-offtopic, since this is a support channel
[09:11] <Ayabara> first Q: which partitions should be primary, and which should be contained in an extended one? second Q: how do I put the /var on a partition?
[09:11] <technician> that flushes all the rules ? set by the user ?
[09:11] <Shizboom> snoops - did you have any ideas? or maybe where i would start looking
[09:11] <technician> as well as the default ? kaot?
[09:11] <snoops> Shizboom sorry, I'm not sure.. haven't done that myself.. let me have a google though
[09:11] <top222> crimsun: No... I think I'll drop my case and see if I can bring this up later somewhere else
[09:11] <holycow> ayabra, it doesn't matter really, that is just a function of the fact your drives are ide
[09:11] <kaot> technician: wha?
[09:11] <crimsun> top222: fine by me.
[09:12] <timfrost> dpn, if the directory is empty, then rmdir <directory>
[09:12] <technician> i mean user defined rules are remove or all
[09:12] <Shizboom> i have been googling and forum hopping for a bit now and no idea how to still ;x
[09:12] <Ayabara> holycow: the thing that stopped me was the partitioner saying I could have at most 4 primary partitions
[09:12] <kaot> technician: -F will remove ALL rules.  your iptables will be basically empty and nonfunctional, unless you've got a default policy in place.  in which case, you'd better be local to this box and not messing around over the network.
[09:13] <snoops> Ayabara to be honest I wouldn't worry about a /var partition
[09:13] <technician> well i am local and it is a try but how to bring the default back ?
[09:13] <holycow> Ayabara, true, thats because they are ide drives.  ide drives can only have 4 primary partitions, and each of those can have 4 extended partitions
[09:13] <kaot> technician: did you have iptables configured before you started on this failover project?
[09:13] <Ayabara> snoops: ok. never did it before, and never missed it :-)
[09:13] <kaot> technician: or is this the first firewalling/iptables stuff you've done?
[09:14] <technician> nope
[09:14] <Ayabara> holycow: ok
[09:14] <kaot> technician: ok, -F will restore you to default then, which is no ruleset at all.
[09:14] <technician> kaot it is the first time
[09:14] <technician> ok ;) that's fine
[09:14] <technician> kaot can i get ur yahoo or msn ?
[09:14] <Ayabara> I could use 10GB for /home + /root, 2GB swap and the rest fat32 storage shared between xp/ubuntu. should that be ok?
[09:14] <kaot> technician: I don't have any instant messaging
[09:14] <technician> incase i need help or you are around ?
[09:15] <technician> do you stay around here ?
[09:15] <kaot> technician: I keep irc open most of the time, but I'm not always here or paying attention
[09:15] <kaot> it's hit-or-miss
[09:15] <kaot> sorry
[09:15] <bluelite28> hey I'm trying to make Rythmbox play mp3s is it possible?
[09:15] <technician> never mind i can leave a message  kaot so nice of u
[09:15] <technician> i will try now
[09:15] <technician> thanks
[09:15] <kaot> good luck
[09:16] <nol13> hi, i just upgraded to dapper, finally got my internet working after changing the firmware, it seems though that its back to using the freeware acx driver instead of ndiswrapper because my connection tops at about 20kB/s now.. how do i get it to use ndiswrapper again? thx
[09:16] <technician> kaot thanks
[09:16] <bluelite28> mp3's in Rythmbox.. anyone?
[09:16] <narfmaster> !mp3
[09:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:16] <crimsun> !restricted > bluelite28
[09:16] <Ayabara> should I use reiser or ext3 for /root?
[09:16] <samuli> bluelite28, yes. You could just get the needed codecs for the task, but in the long run you'd be better of of downloading and running easyubuntu.
[09:16] <snoops> Ayabara well.. rule of thumb for swap is twice your ram (but doesn't matter after a lot of ram eg I wouldn't bother with a 4gb swap with 2gb of ram), /home is for all your personal files and desktop settings etc, so usually you want that to be the largest.. then you have / for all applications, os stuff etc.. if you can maybe 10-20 gb for / (20 if you install a huge amount of apps etc)
[09:17] <crimsun> Ayabara: / or /root? Generally /root is on /
[09:17] <bluelite28> thanks
[09:17] <boxahy> !wireless
[09:17] <ubotu> wifi is Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs with Broadcom Specifics at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[09:17] <samuli> !tell bluelite28 about easyubuntu
[09:17] <bluelite28> thanks again
[09:17] <Ayabara> crimsun, / I meant :-)
[09:17] <crimsun> Ayabara: that's your call, really.
[09:18] <snoops> Ayabara the idea behind it is that allows you to multiple installs with different partitions for the install+apps but keep your /home across both
[09:19] <JuhazOne> maybe there's now someone who could help me with my problem?
[09:19] <revilot> anyone know a firewall that will monitor programs trying to connect to the internet and ask me to allow them or not
[09:19] <JuhazOne> grub doesn't seem to find my new serial ata drive when i try to boot from it
[09:19] <Ayabara> snoops: ok. don't really know which size to choose for /home then... I guess 7GB for / , 2GB swap (is twice my ram), xGB for /home and the rest for fat32 storage
[09:19] <samuli> bluelite28, hope it helps.
[09:19] <JuhazOne> it's probably because i don't know what the (hdX,Y) code is
[09:19] <narfmaster> revilot, you can use ethereal to monitor the network
[09:19] <avis> revilot, the one i know that is in the dapper repos is firestarter though i have never used it so i dont know how its controlled.  i assume you open ports on yoru localhost.
[09:20] <revilot> narfmaster: is that gui?
[09:20] <JuhazOne> so... is there a way to find out how BIOS (or whatever) maps those drives?
[09:20] <avis> revilot, if your behind a NAT router you already have a layer of firewall
[09:20] <snoops> Ayabara how much space do you have?
[09:20] <narfmaster> revilot, yes
[09:20] <revilot> avis: ya but i like to see whats connecting and be asked
[09:20] <Ayabara> snoops: I have 100gb on my laptop drive, 12 are taken by xp
[09:20] <narfmaster> revilot, tethereal is for the terminal
[09:20] <samuli> JuhazOne, first 0 = hda, second the partition. So hda1 = hd0,0 in grub and so on.
[09:20] <avis> i have heard of ethereal and etherape to monitor traffic
[09:20] <snoops> Shizboom have you tried kwebdesktop?
[09:21] <JuhazOne> samuli: yes i know that
[09:21] <revilot> narfmaster: ok ill give that a go thx
[09:21] <Shizboom> by the sounds of it, it wouldn't update
[09:21] <narfmaster> revilot, no problem
[09:21] <Shizboom> but ill look into it a bit more
[09:21] <JuhazOne> /dev/hda is (hd0) in grub. but what is /dev/sda in grub?
[09:21] <Shizboom> it seems to save it as a picture
[09:21] <revilot> avis: i tried firestarter but it doesnt seem to ask my permission for anything
[09:21] <JuhazOne> it's not hd1, hd4 or hd8 that's for sure
[09:21] <snoops> Ayabara oh, then be generous.. say 15 gb for /, say /home 5, 2gb swap
[09:22] <samuli> JuhazOne, Isn't it still hd0?
[09:22] <JuhazOne> err... even if i have two drives, one regular ata and on serial ata?
[09:22] <avis> revilot, i know of one that is a little more advanced i dont know if its still in active development but its ip-kungfu
[09:22] <archetypo> i have a rediculous question, but how do you put home folder, trash, and Computer on the desktop?
[09:22] <archetypo> please, don't hit :D
[09:23] <samuli> JuhazOne, Okay. I don't know then.
[09:23] <avis> though that is port specific i think the other programs would be better suited to monitor your network devices
[09:23] <snoops> Shizboom ah.. so not really a web page.. bit crappy
[09:23] <technician> kaot one question
[09:23] <revilot> avis: i'm coming from windows where i used sygate
[09:23] <kaot> technician: k
[09:23] <narfmaster> archetypo, are you using Gnome?
[09:23] <revilot> avis: trying to ditch win if i can
[09:23] <avis> how are you connected to the internet revilot?
[09:23] <archetypo> narfmaster: yeah
[09:23] <ic56> JuhazOne: I'm googling about your grub with SATA issue
[09:23] <technician> for a test purpose i am using two internet connection from the same network
[09:23] <revilot> avis: wireless through a router
[09:23] <JuhazOne> ic56: thanks
[09:23] <JuhazOne> i'm trying to do the same tihng
[09:23] <narfmaster> archetypo, in Gnome those are just Nautilus settings
[09:24] <technician> kaot for a test purpose from the same network i am using two internet connection which are going to one different network
[09:24] <avis> revilot, well you caught on to linux right bout the right moment because essentially most everything can be done under linux that you could under windows and its all open source
[09:24] <Ayabara> snoops:that is settled then. I setup / as a primary partition. can I create an extended of the rest and put swap /home and /storage in that one?
[09:24] <snoops> ic56 which issue? I had a problem where grub would not install itself into my sata, and ended up installing itself in the wrong mbr
[09:24] <archetypo> narfmaster   where is nautilus config?
[09:24] <technician> kaotit shouldnt be a problem rite ?
[09:24] <narfmaster> archetypo, if you go into the "gconf-editor" it will be at "/apps/nautilus/desktop/computer_icon_name"
[09:24] <technician> kaot it shouldnt be a problem rite ?
[09:24] <snoops> Ayabara yep
[09:24] <narfmaster> err "/apps/nautilus/desktop/"
[09:24] <JuhazOne> snoops: i'm trying to get grub to boot off my sata disk
[09:24] <ic56> snoops: /last is your friend.
[09:24] <Linux-Hyper> !grub-install
[09:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about grub-install
[09:25] <revilot> avis: my main problem is raw photo editing...linux just doesnt have anything worthwhile for it yet
[09:25] <Linux-Hyper> hmm
[09:25] <kaot> technician: erm.  shouldn't be, no.  you'll probably end up with two default gw lines with the same ip address via different interfaces
[09:25] <Linux-Hyper> !windows mbr
[09:25] <archetypo> narfmaster ah ha!! ok.
[09:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about windows mbr
[09:25] <archetypo> thanx
[09:25] <kaot> technician: it should work for testing, yeah.
[09:25] <snoops> JuhazOne got a few hdd's?
[09:25] <JuhazOne> snoops: i've got a regular disk that's /dev/hda = (hd0). the sata disk appears as /dev/sda but i don't know what grub thinks it is
[09:25] <oskude> !mbr
[09:25] <JuhazOne> or the bios. or something.
[09:25] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:25] <technician> ok thanks kaot i will try now
[09:25] <revilot> avis: Im going to give crossover office a go to see if it will run what i need
[09:25] <avis> revilot, thats great.  if you've assigned a static ip you can close and open port ranges for that lan ip but being wireless really your are totally protected against anything.  except rain ;)
[09:25] <calamari> hi
[09:25] <avis> revilot, have you looked at openoffice 2.0 ?
[09:26] <raf> how can i get rid of those stupid desktop hard drive icons
[09:26] <raf> ?
[09:26] <xnull-> how do I install kde? i have ubuntu :)
[09:26] <ic56> JuhazOne: I see someone saying that like SATA drives and IDE drives are merged into a single numbering scheme by grub.
[09:26] <JuhazOne> ic56: meaning?
[09:26] <avis> revilot, its really nifty.  i'd use it if i had room for another printer.
[09:26] <snoops> JuhazOne well okay
[09:26] <revilot> avis: thats great for text, im talking about photo editing
[09:26] <snoops> JuhazOne I had to manually install grub myself too
[09:26] <kaot> mmmmm
[09:26] <Linux-Hyper> how can i recover from a vista beta 2 install (grub is gone) i booted into winxp cd and did fixboot then fixmbr. and now the vista 2 bootloader is gone, and it just boots into windows. ive tried the following:  boot ubuntu and entered the resuce mode, when i get hda,2 i can execute shells etc., or just pick reinstall grub they all exit with error code 20
[09:26] <ic56> JuhazOne: I just don't know which ends up being first -- the SATA or IDE controllers...
[09:26] <archetypo> narfmaster there we go. thanks a lot
[09:26] <snoops> JuhazOne do you have another drive besides the sata?
[09:26] <revilot> avis: raw photo editing
[09:26] <calamari> I'm trying to view an image that is larger than my memory can hold, so Linux ends up terminating the viewers.  Is there an image viewer that only keeps in memory the part of the image being displayed, or scales while it reads, only storing the image in memory?
[09:26] <avis> and as a secondary between you and me kinda think revilot before you totally switch to linux backup your windows fonts :)
[09:26] <narfmaster> archetypo, you're welcome :)
[09:27] <JuhazOne> snoops: yeah. the one i'm using right now typing this text
[09:27] <DBO> !grub > Linux-Hyper
[09:27] <revilot> anyone in here use crossover office
[09:27] <JuhazOne> ic56: well at least the regular ata (/dev/hda) is mapped to (hd0)
[09:27] <samuli> JuhazOne, what's in your /boot/grub/device.map?
[09:27] <avis> revilot, gimp is the rage for many people.  it comes stock with any ubuntu install.  it just has to be learned.  you can do amazing things with it.
[09:27] <timfrost> JuhazOne, grub counts detected disks.  If you only have the two, then grub will treat the sata disk as hd1
[09:27] <JuhazOne> also, in the ubuntu installer grub makes /dev/sda (hd1)
[09:27] <ic56> JuhazOne: and (hd1) doesn't work as your SATA drive, huh?
[09:28] <JuhazOne> BUT it doesn't work when i try to boot :/
[09:28] <revilot> avis: ya its ok but wont edit raw photos
[09:28] <JuhazOne> ic56: apparentyl not
[09:28] <avis> revilot, what extension does a raw photo use ?
[09:28] <snoops> timfrost it depends.. my sata is hd0 on my machine, but I have 4 hdd's.. including an ata
[09:28] <JuhazOne> samuli: originally on this installation there was only (hd0)   /dev/hda
[09:28] <revilot> my canon uses .CR2
[09:28] <avis> ok
[09:28] <snoops> JuhazOne this is what I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-bf0ad184b84304b51996a11111a1901667529a80
[09:28] <avis> let me google for you
[09:28] <JuhazOne> i tried adding some things like (hd1) /dev/sda (hd4) etc.
[09:29] <ic56> JuhazOne: wait a minute, if the installer sets it up that way, it's probably right.  The reason it doesn't work must be something different.  Perhaps you're specifying a drive where you should be specifying a specifric partition on that drive?
[09:29] <snoops> basically gets you to chroot into your install, and install grub on the specified hdd
[09:29] <revilot> avis: i know about ufraw but its not so good
[09:29] <samuli> JuhazOne, try making hd0 /dev/sda and hd1 */hda
[09:29] <JuhazOne> ic56: humm. well if that's the case, the installer failed anyway
[09:29] <JuhazOne> yeah, could try that one..
[09:29] <avis> revilot, look at this url it supports your .CR2
[09:29] <avis> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/perl/libimage-exiftool-perl
[09:29] <xnull-> how can I download some themes with synaptic? for gnome?
[09:30] <revilot> avis: thats just for EXIF data
[09:30] <samuli> JuhazOne, it's worth a try and the problem might lie in how grub can only 'sense' how bios handles the drives I think.
[09:30] <ic56> JuhazOne: how about you pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst for us  and also describe the error message or erroneous behaviour you're getting when you try to boot from the SATA drive
[09:30] <snoops> JuhazOne the ubuntu install tries to auto detect which hdd to install onto.. and has a known bug with sata and ata drives
[09:30] <Ayabara> snoops, crimsun,holycow: thanks for helping (again and again) :-)
[09:30] <Linux-Hyper> DBO ive tried that method. i have to choose: dev/discs/disc1/part2  (even tho its the primary hdd) (there are 3 dev/discs/disc0/part* results but arnt the ones to use)  they all say something about /target/usr/something/policy.rd doesnt exist or it exits with error code 20 , altho it works fine if i choose /dev/hdb instead of /dev/hda
[09:30] <JuhazOne> samuli: true
[09:31] <JuhazOne> snoops: really? interesting
[09:31] <archetypo> is there an app that puts "launch terminal here" on the right-click menu?
[09:31] <snoops> JuhazOne that's relating to grub sorry
[09:31] <revilot> avis: thx for looking though :)
[09:31] <samuli> I think the problem is more in the limitations of grub.
[09:31] <avis> Converting RAW to Jpeg in Linux - Linux, Photography -  http://blogs.linux.ie/xeer/2005/09/18/converting-raw-to-jpeg-in-linux/
[09:31] <avis> revilot that link is what you need the first one was just for the meta data
[09:32] <cps> xnull-: there is a package called gnome-theme-extras
[09:32] <revilot> avis: dcraw doesnt do any actual editing of the file...raw is like a negative from the film days of photography
[09:32] <avis> oh i see
[09:32] <revilot> raw is a digital negative
[09:32] <avis> ok
[09:32] <JuhazOne> ic56: that's the menu.lst... http://rafb.net/paste/results/MFOQrD34.html
[09:33] <cps> xnull-: also if you search for icon-theme you will find a bunch of icon themes to install
[09:33] <JuhazOne> there are some entries that i tried out to see if they work :)
[09:33] <Linux-Hyper> DBO:   you are then presented with a command prompt (a hash). <---- this here is incorrect for me. i get presented with another submenu with options such as these: Execute shell on dev/discs/disc1.......  |   some other kinda enviroment shell |   reinstall grub boot loader  | and another option i think might be go back, which would be the command prompt? (ive tried both)
[09:33] <revilot> avis: thx for looking though :)
[09:33] <Linux-Hyper> or anyone here has any idea's please read up regarding my posts. thanks in advance
[09:33] <JuhazOne> as for the error msgs, i'll have to boot again to see what it says. trying (hd1) gave error 21 though, which means (i've read) that disk can't be found
[09:33] <avis> i could not find any hits for edit .CR2 for dapper but i wish you luck
[09:34] <snoops> how many hdd's do you have in the machine JuhazOne?
[09:34] <revilot> avis: thx
[09:34] <JuhazOne> two
[09:34] <JuhazOne> one regular ata and one serial ata
[09:34] <snoops> okay, so hd8 is DEFINITELY wrong
[09:34] <dpn> Is cedega worth the $5 a month subscription fee?
[09:34] <JuhazOne> snoops: yeah, it told me that :)
[09:34] <techmad> dpn: if you ask me yes
[09:34] <JuhazOne> dpn: depends on what you expect
[09:34] <avis> serial ata are treated like scsi devices such as /dev/sda1
[09:35] <fyrestrtr> dpn: not really
[09:35] <JuhazOne> i was able to play half-life 2 with cedega
[09:35] <dpn> lol
[09:35] <techmad> dpn: im playing wow have been since it came out without any problem
[09:35] <ic56> JuhazOne: I don't see any hd1 entries in that menu.lst
[09:35] <JuhazOne> yea tried it before
[09:35] <boxgamex> how many fps
[09:35] <dpn> I'm more concerned about cs:s - I broke my WoW addiction :0
[09:35] <loserboy> so cedega is better than wine?
[09:35] <ic56> JuhazOne: which is the bootable partition on the SATA?
[09:35] <techmad> boxgamex: me?
[09:35] <JuhazOne> boxgamex: i've got nvidia 7800 gs... i was able to play hl2 with 1600x1200 resolution with all the knobs turned to full
[09:36] <pharcvde> i havent been able to get css workign with wine
[09:36] <JuhazOne> ic56: the first one. /dev/sda1 or (hd?,0)
[09:36] <boxgamex> techmad, yeah. you on WoW
[09:36] <dpn> so cs:s will be fine in cedega with a 7800gtx i guess
[09:36] <JuhazOne> anyways, i think i'll try that mapping /dev/sda to (hd0)
[09:36] <dpn> are there any issues with xgl and cedega running at the same time
[09:36] <avis> i got a geforce 6200 to replace my fx5200 -- sometime next week.
[09:36] <boxgamex> i have a 6200LE. lol
[09:36] <techmad> boxgamex: in the mid of org i get 30 same as windows
[09:36] <calamari> I'm trying to view an image that is larger than my memory can hold, so Linux ends up terminating the viewers.  Is there an image viewer that only keeps in memory the part of the image being displayed, or scales while it reads, only storing the scaled image in memory?
[09:36] <JuhazOne> i don't know if it works but i had a similar issue with a ata/66 drive in the past...
[09:36] <avis> boxgamex, any problems with it ?
[09:36] <boxgamex> techmad, what system specs?
[09:36] <techmad> boxgamex: i run everything in full settings
[09:37] <boxgamex> nope avis
[09:37] <revilot> dpn i dont think you can play games with xgl running
[09:37] <avis> most excellent
[09:37] <ic56> JuhazOne: ok, I recommend an entry along these lines: root (hd0,0) ; kernel root=/dev/sda1
[09:37] <JuhazOne> i was using lilo at the time. turns out i had to map something like a -> b and b -> a to get it working
[09:37] <boxgamex> avis, evga brand?
[09:37] <snoops> revilot hang on
[09:37] <techmad> boxgamex: dual core 1.66 5400 hdd 1.5gb ram gf go 7400 or something
[09:37] <avis> yes
[09:37] <avis> though i dont think its LE
[09:37] <revilot> snoops: hanging
[09:37] <JuhazOne> ic56: with or without mapping (hd0) to /dev/sda in devices.map?
[09:37] <avis> boxgamex, how did you know ?
[09:37] <boxgamex> techmad, ah i run a amd 3000+, 768mb ram, and 6200 LE
[09:37] <snoops> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=176636 revilot regarding gaming with xgl
[09:37] <boxgamex> avis, cheap on newegg? pci-e?
[09:37] <techmad> boxgamex: <3 my laptop
[09:38] <avis> boxgamex, nope, ebay.  3 day shipping.  agp 8x 128megs sealed
[09:38] <boxgamex> techmad, that isnt an asus laptop is it?
[09:38] <boxgamex> ah avis
[09:38] <boxgamex> just a hunch you had the same one as me
[09:38] <ic56> JuhazOne: with -- do map (hd0) to /dev/sda
[09:38] <boxgamex> lol
[09:38] <techmad> boxgamex: nah hp
[09:38] <JuhazOne> ok.
[09:38] <ic56> JuhazOne: oops No!  map (hd1) to /dev/sda
[09:38] <JuhazOne> hmm
[09:38] <revilot> snoops: good link
[09:38] <technician> kaot i am on the last step where i am trying to change the value of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout and it as do you really want to write the value
[09:39] <JuhazOne> i wonder what happens if i do that
[09:39] <JuhazOne> oh well, gotta try
[09:39] <technician> kaot when i try to write it gives error E667: Fsync failed
[09:39] <ic56> JuhazOne: hd0 should already be mapped to your /dev/hda .  You still want that to work, right?
[09:39] <boxgamex> hmm i dont wanna pay for cegeda and find out its crappy
[09:39] <techmad> boxgamex: never had a prob with cedega in bwl aq mc
[09:39] <Linux-Hyper> !grub error code 20
[09:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about grub error code 20
[09:39] <boxgamex> my WoW subsription is dead anyways
[09:39] <snoops> boxgamex you can compile it from cvs
[09:39] <boxgamex> it ran out :(
[09:39] <JuhazOne> ic56: well... i suppose it'll work anyway when i'm in linux. booting the old system won't hopefully be needed. and i haven't booted into windows in a long time
[09:40] <snoops> boxgamex but the thing is, the cvs does not include the copy protection breaking stuff which the paid for version has
[09:40] <JuhazOne> still, i'll see if it works
[09:40] <techmad> boxgamex: compile from cvs if you like it supper them with the 5$ a month
[09:40] <JuhazOne> i've got a bouncer so it'll appear that i'm on this channel even though i'm in the process of rebooting my computer
[09:40] <boxgamex> man, i dread installing WoW again. lol
[09:40] <ic56> JuhazOne: good luck
[09:40] <avis> boxgamex, my windows machine is a X2 4200 with 2 gigs of ram and eSATA 560GB a mere FX5200 and pioneer 111DBK and audigy 2 value with massive speakers
[09:40] <techmad> hehe
[09:40] <JuhazOne> thx. -->
[09:40] <techmad> boxgamex: just copy the wow cd's to your hdd
[09:40] <boxgamex> avis, man you card is holding you back
[09:40] <boxgamex> i do techmad
[09:40] <techmad> boxgamex: makes it 10x easyer
[09:40] <boxgamex> its still slow
[09:40] <boxgamex> lol
[09:41] <legendarysim> Can I get some help please?
[09:41] <techmad> boxgamex: then what i do for updates since i got windows on my laptop still i update in windows and copy all the the Warcraft folder over to the linux one
[09:41] <technician> kaot are u there ?
[09:41] <snoops> legendarysim ask the question and if someone knows, they'll help
[09:41] <fyrestrtr> technician: you can run the updates from wine itself.
[09:41] <techmad> boxgamex: thats the only time i boot into windows
[09:41] <boxgamex> why techmad? wont work in linux?
[09:42] <techmad> boxgamex: yea it works
[09:42] <avis> actually no it isn't my motherboard is because it doesn't have pci-e and i'm not going to shell out money for a video card that can be easily outdone on a pci-e video card for a fraction of the price plus i'm not too much of a gamer more into television, music, and videos.
[09:42] <techmad> boxgamex: but i might aswell you windows for something
[09:42] <boxgamex> ah avis
[09:42] <legendarysim> Well, I tried the Ubuntu live disk and there are problems configuring "X" on my system. I have an ATI X600 PCI-E 256MB video card if that helps.
[09:42] <boxgamex> lol techmad
[09:42] <boxgamex> if WoW works nice id probably delete windows
[09:42] <fyrestrtr> legendarysim: what kind of problems?
[09:42] <techmad> WoW works great
[09:43] <boxgamex> well, i mean on my system
[09:43] <legendarysim> fyrestrt: I't doesn't configure at all.
[09:43] <legendarysim> it*
[09:43] <techmad> boxgamex: i play in forced window mode which wow still thinks its in full screen but its in a window of your size choice
[09:43] <nol13> how do i tell what driver my wireless card is using?
[09:43] <legendarysim> fyrestrtr: There is like no configured GUI.
[09:43] <boxgamex> i like windowed mode techmad
[09:43] <boxgamex> lol
[09:44] <techmad> boxgamex: hehe i like wide screen but i gave that up i just play in 1024x768
[09:44] <Shizboom> anyone know any web browsers that use x11?
[09:44] <avis> boxgamex, it would be a very nice ubuntu box for 32 bit dual core but i can get a socket 775 for my ubuntu box that is dual core 3.2 for only $200 which is less than what my windows athlon x2 cpu cost.
[09:44] <boxgamex> yesh
[09:45] <legendarysim> those intel dual cores can be over clocked to pwn the x2 too :P
[09:45] <fyrestrtr> Shizboom: firefox, opera, epiphany.
[09:45] <techmad> i <3 the dual core in my laptop
[09:45] <avis> i dont overclock anything.
[09:45] <avis> i use value ram :)
[09:45] <techmad> ahh
[09:45] <techmad> :(
[09:45] <techmad> avis: that makes me a sad panda
[09:45] <legendarysim> ah these dual cores, with proper cooling can do 4.0ish ghz
[09:45] <avis> hehe i'm not a gamer like i said...
[09:45] <Shizboom> firefox uses x11?
[09:46] <fyrestrtr> Shizboom: do you know what x11 is?
[09:46] <avis> techmad, i'll have the zoo get on it asap
[09:46] <Shizboom> no :P
[09:46] <narfmaster> Shizboom, Dillo uses GTK 1.2
[09:46] <techmad> avis: :(
[09:46] <samuli> I think you're all nuts with your crazy computers, it's not a drag race, you know.
[09:46] <fyrestrtr> Shizboom: then why do you ask?
[09:46] <techmad> samuli: omg yes it is
[09:46] <snoops> legendarysim isn't that only the 830 or 850 or whatever it was that was extremely overclockable?
[09:46] <samuli> :D
[09:46] <npk> hello, I'm looking for a little help getting smp support enabled in dapper
[09:46] <crimsun> npk: which cpu do you have?
[09:46] <Shizboom> well this program says it will put any x11 application into a panel
[09:46] <legendarysim> I think the 810 could 4.1ghz.
[09:47] <npk> 2 athlons k7
[09:47] <legendarysim> My 820 can do 4.0ghz.
[09:47] <crimsun> npk: install linux-k7
[09:47] <narfmaster> Shizboom, that's like saying any graphical app
[09:47] <fyrestrtr> "ooh ooh yes yes I overclocked my cpu to 4.2Ghz by moving to Alaska where it is really cold" -- what do you do with it? "Play solitaire" *head on desk*
[09:47] <crimsun> npk: then reboot into the new kernel.
[09:47] <samuli> fyrestrtr, to me it's like that :)
[09:47] <npk> crimsun: apt-get install linux-k7-smp is all I need?
[09:47] <legendarysim> I don't think Alaska can cool a 4.1ghz CPU.
[09:48] <crimsun> npk: no. linux-k7
[09:48] <techmad> have you seen the video of the guy that oc'ed his cpu to 4ghz then took the hsf off
[09:48] <boxgamex> yeah
[09:48] <boxgamex> the amd
[09:48] <avis> npk, search synaptic for kernel, chose your architechture for your kernels and grab your sources it should also fetch restricted modules as a dependency.  it should indicate smp.  after apply you'll need to reboot.  magic !
[09:48] <Shizboom> i don't know how to get it to work tho
[09:48] <boxgamex> techmad, duron i believe it was
[09:48] <dabaR> Hi. My original login, the sudoer one, has sound in his gnome d. environment. Other, later added users have no sound. Any ideas as to why?
[09:48] <enyc> mee~de~boop
[09:48] <legendarysim> So, does anyone know how to configure these graphics? It wasn't this difficult last time.
[09:48] <crimsun> dabaR: add them to the audio group.
[09:48] <samuli> and other people go for 500$ water-coolers and stuff to make their computers more silent.. why doesn't anyone go.. now.. How could I make this louder? :)
[09:48] <avis> npk, yes if its athlon
[09:48] <techmad> boxgamex: yea funny stuff blows a hole in the table and mobo
[09:48] <fyrestrtr> dabaR: add the user to the audio group
[09:48] <boxgamex> yup
[09:48] <avis> npk, or amd rather
[09:49] <boxgamex> well. im gonna hit the sack
[09:49] <boxgamex> its 3:47 am here
[09:49] <boxgamex> lol
[09:49] <narfmaster> samuli, you could use a jet engine as a cooler :)
[09:49] <holycow> !frequency
[09:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about frequency
[09:49] <legendarysim> Or Liquid Nitrogen :P
[09:49] <enyc> meep
[09:49] <fyrestrtr> narfmaster: as a *cooler*? Exactly what part of a jet engine assembly screams cool?
[09:49] <holycow> !frequency-scaling
[09:49] <techmad> samuli: i had a fan that was so loud hah gotta remember the name of it
[09:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about frequency-scaling
[09:49] <holycow> !cpu
[09:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about cpu
[09:49] <samuli> narfmaster, I'm not sure what kind of enclosure would I need to make it stay put :)
[09:49] <nosotros> i need help, i just rebooted and audio stoped working
[09:49] <techmad> !life
[09:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about life
[09:49] <narfmaster> fyrestrtr, that would keep the air flow solid
[09:50] <legendarysim> I had a thermaltake fan for my old althlon 2700 that was really loud. 5200 PRM.
[09:50] <avis> i want maximum fairflow to my cpu at all times no smart bios adjustments for me.
[09:50] <fyrestrtr> probably blow the wall out too
[09:50] <dabaR> crimsun: why not a default setting?
[09:50] <legendarysim> Big fan too >.<
[09:50] <fyrestrtr> !msgthebot
[09:50] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots
[09:50] <npk> while I'm dealing with the kernel, I have an old wintv card, works with the bttv driver. Any idea if this will be supported, or if I'll need to recompile?
[09:50] <techmad> samuli: it was a delta fan
[09:50] <samuli> I think my hard-drive is making up 90% of the noise in my computer.
[09:51] <techmad> samuli: glad my laptop doesnt make any sound
[09:51] <samuli> techmad, got to remember that name I guess :)
[09:51] <nosotros> i need help, i just rebooted and audio stoped working
[09:51] <legendarysim> samuli: Ugh my SATA2 is too loud >.<
[09:51] <techmad> samuli: i can hear my mouse wheel scroll
[09:51] <crimsun> dabaR: audio is not a necessity. If you feel it's a bug, please file one.
[09:51] <Linux-Hyper> 20 : Multiboot kernel must be loaded before modules
[09:51] <Linux-Hyper>     This error is returned if the module load command is used before loading a Multiboot kernel. It only makes sense in this case anyway, as GRUB has no idea how to communicate the presence of location of such modules to a non-Multiboot-aware kernel.
[09:51] <Linux-Hyper> opps
[09:51] <snoops> crimsun ha.. it is if you want to do audio production
[09:51] <Linux-Hyper> thought that would be a 1 liner.
[09:51] <JuhazOne> hum. do i need to reinstall grub for changes in devices.map to take effect?
[09:51] <Linux-Hyper> ahh thats my grub-install error.
[09:51] <Linux-Hyper> how can i resolve this it makes no sense
[09:52] <samuli> legendarysim, I know about the harddrives, that sound is making me crazy. I think the bearing is off.
[09:52] <dabaR> crimsun: I guess less people need it than not.
[09:52] <crimsun> snoops: and it is not if I create a restricted user.
[09:52] <technician> hi i am on the last step where i am trying to change the value of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout and it as do you really want to write the value
[09:52] <samuli> techmad, me too, but it's only because it's loud :)
[09:52] <JuhazOne> what i noticed was that what i wrote in devices.map seemed to have no effect at all on how grub behaved
[09:52] <technician> i am trying to create a failover router
[09:52] <legendarysim> samuli: I got this LOUD spinning noise. My first time having a 7,200 RPM drive.
[09:52] <crimsun> snoops: the point is "don't assume you need more privileges by default"
[09:52] <fyrestrtr> legendarysim: try a 10,000 RPM one.
[09:52] <fyrestrtr> sounds like a 747 is about to take off
[09:53] <crimsun> snoops: again, you're free and welcome to file a bug
[09:53] <legendarysim> fyrestrtr: I hope this mobo can't handle one ^^
[09:53] <JuhazOne> when i tried booting from (hd0,0) i got Error 15: File not found
[09:53] <JuhazOne> it said the fs type is 0xc, meaning fat32?
[09:53] <fyrestrtr> JuhazOne: that's probably not your boot partition then.
[09:53] <legendarysim> fyrestrtr: Don't they make faster than 10,000 RPM these days?
[09:53] <snoops> crimsun what? I was just making a comment about audio is not a necessity to you
[09:53] <nosotros> could anybody help me?
[09:53] <techmad> im going to put some dual 80gig 7200 drives into my laptop soon
[09:53] <JuhazOne> that's what /dev/hda1 is
[09:53] <dion_> hey everyone I'm trying to install this screen saver, and the link says use apt-get and links to a file dir on the net, what should I be doing?
[09:53] <snoops> crimsun you have me confused with someone else?
[09:53] <dion_> http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=download
[09:53] <fyrestrtr> legendarysim: I've heard of 15,000 RPMs, but they are ... low capacity.
[09:53] <technician> hi i am trying to create a failover router
[09:53] <technician> hi i am on the last step where i am trying to change the value of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout and it as do you really want to write the value
[09:53] <Shizboom> what is the command to see where a program is installed?
[09:53] <avis> snoops, that is a relative opinion.  audio is a necessity to many people
[09:53] <docta_v> legendarysim: only scsi and fibre channel are 15k rpm... SATA is only 10k
[09:54] <fyrestrtr> dion_: where is this page you are reading?
[09:54] <crimsun> snoops: no, I'm not confusing you. I'm "responding" to your response.
[09:54] <legendarysim> fyrestrtr: Well, the 10,000RPM drivers were like 74GB for the longest time >.< I think now you can get 140GB
[09:54] <snoops> avis yep that's the point I was trying to make :)
[09:54] <dion_> http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=download
[09:54] <xnull-> what is the module to write on ntfs ?
[09:54] <legendarysim> drives*
[09:54] <oskude> Shizboom, which command/programname
[09:55] <Shizboom> thjanks
[09:55] <dion_> I was selecting debian linux
[09:55] <avis> i must be ill.  i got nicks mixed up.
[09:55] <nosotros> please help me, i get no audio, and all i did was rebooting
[09:55] <kaot> technician: according to the howto, yes, you really want to change the value.
[09:55] <legendarysim> Has anyone been able to use Linux successfully with an ATI Rafron x600?
[09:55] <legendarysim> Radeon*
[09:55] <narfmaster> Shizboom, dpkg -L program
[09:55] <techmad> fyrestrtr: they have 147gb 15,000k drives but they are 700$
[09:55] <technician> 300 kaot is how much actually ? 300 seconds ?
[09:55] <fyrestrtr> dion_: download the .deb file, and install it using dpgk -i filename.deb
[09:56] <legendarysim> fyrestrtrL I wonder what 15k RPM sounds like.
[09:56] <fyrestrtr> dion_: download the correct one for your arch
[09:56] <crimsun> nosotros: paste the output from ``cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer'' onto http://pastebin.ca
[09:56] <crimsun> nosotros: then tell us the URL
[09:56] <fyrestrtr> legendarysim: a constant buzzing that gets louder if you do rendering or database access.
[09:56] <avis> dion_,  its dpkg, actually
[09:56] <JuhazOne> oh dear...
[09:56] <technician> kaot when i try to write it gives error E667: Fsync failed
[09:56] <dion_> hmmmm, allright thanksfyrestrtr, and avis
[09:56] <JuhazOne> ic56, snoops, others: any idea what to try next?
[09:57] <snoops> Juhaz I suggest waht to follow ages ago.. following a grub recovery guide and manually installing on the right hdd, and choosing the right partition
[09:57] <bluelite28> random question, what's the DOS equivelant of 'chmod' ?
[09:57] <dion_> now what if there isnt one that matches exactly?
[09:57] <legendarysim> General Question: If I have a 64-bit processor should I stick with the 32-bit version of Ubuntu or actually use the 64-bt version?
[09:57] <crimsun> there isn't one, bluelite28.
[09:57] <bluelite28> is there one to change file permissions?
[09:57] <JuhazOne> snoops: i checked the link you gave but i didn't see how it could help me get the (hd?) part right :/
[09:58] <ideogram> how do I play streaming audio in Windows Media format?
[09:58] <crimsun> bluelite28: no. attrib is a mutt of both of those.
[09:58] <samuli> JuhazOne, your tried the re-mapping?
[09:58] <Sencer> @legendarysim: Unles you have more than 4 GB RAM, stick with 32 bit
[09:58] <pharcvde> i use the 64bit
[09:58] <fyrestrtr> legendarysim: stick with 32
[09:58] <bluelite28> lol windows sucks
[09:58] <JuhazOne> samuli: yeah. i was wondering whether it requires reinstalling grub
[09:58] <ideogram> I didn't pick the format, I just want to play it
[09:58] <legendarysim> Sencer: I don't there ths MOBO handles 4GB lol.
[09:58] <fyrestrtr> !restrictedformats > ideogram
[09:58] <JuhazOne> samuli: because it didn't appear to have any effect whatsoever on how grub behaved
[09:58] <oskude> anyone else having 404 when trying to do update (im using de.archive.ubuntu.com) ?
[09:58] <samuli> JuhazOne, I doubt that.
[09:59] <snoops> legendarysim I'd go with 32bit version.. eg no flash for 64bit, no wine for 64bit, no wine for 64bit etc.. you can get the 32bit ones working, but in my opinion it's not worth the hastle
[09:59] <Sencer> there#s not really much of an advantage unles for very specific software, on 64 bit.
[09:59] <JuhazOne> i told (hd1) is /dev/hda and (hd0) is /dev/sda but it still booted happily off (hd0,5) that SHOULD have been /dev/sda5 (that is not bootable) but still was /dev/hda5
[09:59] <Sencer> it can even be slower than 32bit
[10:00] <samuli> JuhazOne, Anyways, I think so many people are trying to help you out because nobody really knows what the heck's the solution, so good luck :)
[10:00] <Vyoming> anyone has a driver for a SisM650 video card ? the free driver at http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsispart4.shtml#download is very slow
[10:00] <JuhazOne> samuli: :)
[10:00] <narfmaster> oskude, they rotate the servers around - you might have to wait for a DNS update
[10:00] <Vyoming> there is also a commercial version available there
[10:00] <legendarysim> This new machine I have had the Intel EM64T (or whatever) technology. Thouht I may ask if it's valuable to put to use,
[10:00] <technician> kaot are u there ?
[10:00] <technician> kaot got any solution ?
[10:01] <oskude> narfmaster, yup, i waited for 30mins, well gotta wait more :)
[10:01] <snoops> legendarysim and if you're going to use it as a server, then I'd definitely agree with you.. imo 64bit is not ready for an easy to use desktop yet
[10:01] <jamesconf> Hi, I am looking for boot loader options to select the Xorg drive
[10:01] <avis> dion_, try enabling universe and multiverse in your sources.list file and try to apt-get install electricsheep.   if that doesn't work, this is highly experimental, add the repository that that webpage lists for the .deb and do a single apt-get update and then a single apt-get install electricsheep.  thats only if its not already in ubuntu.  or just compile from source you'd need build-essentials package from the repos.  regardless -- if you use
[10:01] <avis>  the debian repo be CERTAIN if it doesn't work to apt-get remove electricsheep and then immediately remove that repository from /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:01] <JuhazOne> if it's of any help to you, i've got Promise 20378 and VIA VT8237 RAID controllers on this mobo. i don't actually even know which one i'm using :S
[10:01] <JuhazOne> and i don't know why there are two of them on the mobo.
[10:02] <narfmaster> jamesconf, you mean the framebuffer options?
[10:02] <legendarysim> snoops: They probably just want to make a 64-bit processor standard until the day comes :x.
[10:02] <avis> dion_, then do a apt-get update once again after ubuntu is all back in order repo-like
[10:02] <JuhazOne> i'm not sure but it's possible that the sata support comes from either of those two controllers
[10:02] <dion_> hmm, this is all a bit much for my first day of linux use
[10:02] <dion_> lol
[10:02] <legendarysim> dion_: I remember my first day.
[10:03] <frogzoo> narfmaster: what exactly extra does frame buffer support provide?
[10:03] <jamesconf> narfmaster,options to pick the Xorg drive, I assume it does some magic and attempts to pick one, which in this case is the wrong one.
[10:03] <legendarysim> dion_: My friend was nearly killing himself because I didn't understand 100% of the concepts :)
[10:03] <samuli> dion_, it's frustrating for the next few months so don't worry :)
[10:03] <Vyoming> looking for help with SisM650 video driver - I'm could not get hardware acceleration
[10:03] <avis> dion okies np just open terminal then go sudo -i then type your personal password, then try apt-get install electricsheep.  also familiarize yourself with synaptic.
[10:03] <narfmaster> frogzoo, there is a kernel option anyway (don't know that much about it)
[10:03] <ic56> JuhazOne: you need to read up on grub.  As a quick test, try renaming the map file and test booting again.  Maybe the map file and the BIOS aren't cooperating the way we think
[10:04] <legendarysim> I'm so used to Windows that if Linux didn't have a GUI I'd be pretty damn lost.
[10:04] <dion_> avis i've got synaptic down to an extent
[10:04] <avis> dion, next step, learn about universe and multiverse in the official ubuntu documentation.  there is some fun stuff there :)
[10:04] <samuli> ic56, exactly my thoughts.
[10:04] <JuhazOne> ic56: should i get an error if i do that?
[10:04] <frogzoo> narfmaster: cool, thx anyway
[10:04] <narfmaster> frogzoo, it provides the resolution for the console mode
[10:04] <avis> ok well you can add sources through it but i've found it cumbersome rather than commandline but if you learn it, i hope you get the idea.
[10:04] <technician> anyone can help i am facing a last minute issue i cannot change the value of a process /proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout ????????
[10:04] <dion_> me as well legendarysim, its funny how you can know EVERYTHING in windows, and cant even proform basic functions in linux
[10:04] <technician> i cannot overwrite the value ?
[10:04] <technician> please help
[10:05] <st_iron> bye
[10:05] <dion_> avis, so universe and multiverse are more directories of software and what not?
[10:05] <trulux> moin
[10:05] <trulux> any sparc64 user around?
[10:05] <avis> dion_, yes a larger repository.
[10:05] <JuhazOne> oh well. will try that now
[10:05] <legendarysim> Those cores are expensive :o
[10:05] <trulux> I'm trying to get a ubuntu-server installation on a Sun Netra X1
[10:05] <SGershon> I'm having much trouble installing Office through wine. Anyone succeeded in doing that?
[10:05] <SGershon> (I know, there is Open Office... I love it too. But I need some program that read PST mail files -- like Outlook)
[10:05] <oskude> technician, are you sure you can change the values ? i thought they are only for reading... but dunno
[10:06] <cntb> dion you dont know everything in windows
[10:06] <technician> oskude i really dont know first time trying
[10:06] <technician> oskude as mentioned in the tutorial
[10:06] <nol13> hi, how do i tell what driver my wireless card is using?
[10:06] <oskude> technician, could you give me the link ?
[10:06] <holycow> does anyone know of a decent how to enable cpu frequency scaling?  nothing on wiki, google results in some sparse info
[10:06] <legendarysim> cntb: It wasn't stated.
[10:06] <avis> dion.. if you open terminal.. go nano /etc/apt/sources.list and look for all lines ending in universe.   if you find one add a single word then continue down the list. "multiverse"  the key is to look for an existing universe
[10:06] <matteo> hi all
[10:07] <ic56> does grub ship with any serious documentation?  the manpage is minimal (just the options) and the info page is just a mirror of the manpage.  What's up with that?
[10:07] <matteo> is it possible to install ubuntu via internet using one or two minimal floppy at boot ^
[10:07] <avis> dion, next step, apt-get update !  more selections !
[10:07] <dion_> Yay got it
[10:07] <SGershon> I tried to follow many guides on installing Office with wine. But I get weird errors!
[10:07] <Vyoming> looking for help with SisM650 video driver - I could not get any hardware acceleration with the driver provided at http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart4.shtml#download
[10:07] <legendarysim> Has anyone successfully used a wireless card (USB) on Ubuntu?
[10:08] <ic56> JuhazOne: we're hoping things will start working if you remove the map file.  Ie, the mapfile was confusing grub.
[10:08] <dion_> selected mutltiverse and universe repositories and then used apt-get install electricsheep
[10:08] <avis> legendarysim, i have.. a long long time ago.  it never worked since.  despite swapping wifi cards.
[10:08] <narfmaster> legendarysim, Ubuntu has lots of support for wireless USB out of box
[10:08] <dion_> thanks for your help guys
[10:08] <ideogram> this web radio station has something called Nullsoft Shoutcast format, how do I play that?
[10:08] <shachaf_> matteo: I've installed Debian (woody) that way. I don't know if it's possible in Ubuntu.
[10:08] <avis> dion_, enjoy ubuntu
[10:08] <webdude1> will installation of crossover office make my current installation of ubuntu 6.06 unstable at all?
[10:08] <trulux> someone that can solve my doubts regarding ubuntu-sparc?
[10:08] <narfmaster> just don't expect it to work in the majority of cases
[10:08] <dion_> ahh yes Wireless lan will prolly be my project for tommorrow
[10:08] <dion_> I sure intend to avis
[10:08] <ideogram> It's a .pls extension
[10:08] <Vyoming> ideogram, you can use xmms
[10:09] <avis> goodnite dion :)
[10:09] <dion_> I'm sure I'll be bugging you guys in this channel for the next serveral weeks so i hope you dont mind
[10:09] <dion_> lol
[10:09] <Vyoming>  looking for help with SisM650 video driver - I could not get any hardware acceleration with the driver provided at http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart4.shtml#download
[10:09] <legendarysim> So, does anyone know how to get the Radeon X600 to work on Ubuntu?
[10:09] <ideogram> I clicked on it and it downloaded something and popped up Rhythmbox but that didn't work
[10:09] <avis> i certainly dont ...
[10:09] <ideogram> do I have to install xmms?
[10:09] <dion_> awesome, well good night to ya avis
[10:09] <dion_> as well as everyone else
[10:09] <avis> danke !
[10:09] <matteo> shachaf i'm trying too..but is it possible to install ONLY minimal with floppy?
[10:10] <lowfi> ideogram, .pls is winamp playlist, the streams should work in vlc &mplayer
[10:10] <Vyoming> ideogram - goto synaptics package manager
[10:10] <legendarysim> Deutsch?
[10:10] <avis> nope
[10:10] <Vyoming> and search for xmms and install
[10:10] <avis> english
[10:10] <technician> kaot it is working without changing the value
 danke ! <--- Deutsch
[10:10] <Vyoming>  looking for help with SisM650 video driver - I could not get any hardware acceleration with the driver provided at http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart4.shtml#download
[10:10] <ideogram> are vlc or mplayer installed already?
[10:10] <avis> all i know how to say in german is good night, silent night, and thank you
[10:10] <matteo> shachaf cause when insert floppy and start installation, it connect to internet and begin to download automatically many many mb..i would want to install ONLY minimal, like floppy
[10:11] <gdb> matteo: a minimal system install for ubuntu is far far larger than what would fit on a floppy.
 danke ! = Thanks   dankeschn = Thank You
[10:11] <avis> ok.
[10:11] <avis> i'll be informal :)
[10:11] <gdb> danke = thank you, danke schone = thank you very much
[10:12] <Shizboom> is there anyway to make a panel bigger then 125 pixels wide?
[10:12] <matteo> gdb is it possible to install minimal floppy of debian, and then install ubuntu via apt-get ?
[10:12] <avis> i'm allowed to i wear birkenstocks whatever the occasion or season ;)
[10:12] <lowfi> ideogram, not out of the box. do: sudo apt-get install vlc
[10:12] <holycow> !governors
[10:12] <ubotu> I know nothing about governors
[10:12] <legendarysim> gdb: I must have learned something wrong down the word...
[10:12] <shachaf> matteo: I don't know, then. Sorry. :-(
[10:12] <holycow> !governor
[10:12] <ubotu> I know nothing about governor
[10:12] <legendarysim> road
[10:12] <gdb> matteo: No, you can't really go from Debian to Ubuntu.
[10:12] <Kanpachi> hello, i'm trying to install vmplayer and i keep getting this error "/tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/Makefile:91: *** For proper build you'll have to replace gcc -m32 with symbolic link to /usr/bin/gcc-4.0.  Stop." i have gcc 4.0 installed, what do i do please?
[10:13] <khaije1> what do i use if i need to simultaneously search for multiple strings in a file in order to output to a file?
[10:13] <cps> Kanpachi: where are you installing it from?
[10:13] <Kanpachi> my home dir
[10:13] <oskude> Kanpachi, youre not installing, youre compiling...
[10:13] <legendarysim> avis: Ah! They both work.
[10:13] <avis> ok
[10:13] <Kanpachi> really? i was using the installation file
[10:14] <cps> Kanpachi: because vmware player is available in the repositories
[10:14] <Kanpachi> really?
[10:14] <legendarysim> I used my trusty dictiobnary ^^ LOL
[10:14] <Kanpachi> i had no idea
[10:14] <cps> Kanpachi: yeah, if you are using 6.06
[10:14] <Kanpachi> i am
[10:14] <ryan_> I was in the middle of an ubuntu upgrade and the computer was restarted
[10:14] <gdb> khaije1: egrep
[10:14] <oskude> Kanpachi, packages.ubuntu.com
[10:14] <Kanpachi> oh there
[10:14] <ryan_> Now everything is funky
[10:14] <Kanpachi> thanx
[10:14] <legendarysim> Could I get better graphics capabilities using X86 over x64?
[10:14] <cps> Kanpachi: do you have universe and multiverse enabled
[10:15] <ryan_> How can I start the update program?
[10:15] <gdb> khaije1: $ egrep 'term1|term2|term3' filename > outfile
[10:15] <Kanpachi> yes i found it
[10:15] <avis> ryan_, you might want to check your power connectors and run memtest86 for an hour
[10:15] <Kanpachi> thanx
[10:15] <avis> make sure no metal is making contact with motherboard
[10:15] <ryan_> I think there is a problem because it was quit mid-update
[10:15] <khaije1> gdb: hmm.. excellent ty!
[10:15] <gdb> khaije1: sure thing!
[10:16] <ideogram> ok I've installed xmms and am running it
[10:16] <ryan_> What is the terminal command to launch the update util?
[10:16] <ryan_> apt get or something like that?
[10:16] <ideogram> how do I tell it to use the url for the web radio station?
[10:16] <avis> ryan_, if you update your repo cache its not going to bring your machine down]
[10:16] <oskude> ryan_, sudo apt-get update
[10:16] <Vyoming>  looking for help with SisM650 video driver - I could not get any hardware acceleration with the driver provided at http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart4.shtml#download
[10:16] <gdb> ryan_: apt-get update (to update your apt cache) then apt-get upgrade to upgrade any necessary packages.
[10:16] <cntb> mime mp3 to vlc --- howto ?
[10:16] <legendarysim> Could I get better graphics capabilities using X86 over x64?
[10:16] <sdk> ideogram: ctry ctrl+l and paste the address
[10:16] <cntb> !mime
[10:16] <ubotu> I know nothing about mime
[10:17] <narfmaster> vlc is an app, not a file format
[10:17] <cntb> narfmaster
[10:17] <cntb> OK
[10:17] <ideogram> it's not working
[10:18] <avis> legendarysim, i know the higher powered dual x2's were originally marketed to hardcore gamers.  i'd say go with x64 for windows games.
[10:18] <cntb>  narfmaster if you want click open mp3 file to be played by VLC or xmms not movie player what do u do ?
[10:18] <SomiKnight> anyone tried to use jtag util from openwince package?
[10:18] <sdk> ideogram: so you need some codecs
[10:18] <snoops> avis I don't think x2's were marketed for gmaes at all, considering the absolute majority of windows games are single threaded
[10:18] <narfmaster> cntb, right-click and select "Properties" then "Open with"
[10:19] <cntb> can I do it in krusader?
[10:19] <legendarysim> snoops: I don't think that's true. But I may be wrong.
[10:19] <ideogram> do I need libmikmod.so.2?
[10:19] <narfmaster> hmm, krusader is a little different (i'm not sure about that one)
[10:19] <cntb> sorry narfmaster that I knew
[10:19] <snoops> legendarysim heh, it definitely is true.. I've got a dual core
[10:19] <cntb> that is not called changing default
[10:20] <cntb> default gib
[10:20] <snoops> oblivion is one of the first games to make use of dual core, I believe doom 3 had an smp mod for it
[10:20] <avis> i know many of the more popular recent games had been given patches to run better on 64 bit and dual core platforms.  or at least last time i looked into that sort of thing.   the pci-e spec was adopted on amd64 platform way before it was on intel machines.  which means nothing except linux coders have to catch up.
[10:20] <legendarysim> snoops: I seems to be computing information from both cores but Windows may not know what it's talking about.
[10:20] <cntb> default gives eror cause it does not have the plugin but vlsc and xmms play alright
[10:21] <cntb> so changing default open is preferable
[10:21] <cntb> open with is a smart workaround not solyution
[10:21] <legendarysim> That's probably why my graphics aren't working then. Intel PCI-E graphics >.<
[10:21] <avis> linux likes via.
[10:21] <narfmaster> cntb, it works for me :)
[10:22] <avis> my intel celeron d ubuntu machine is a via chipset.
[10:22] <snoops> legendarysim run something like halflife.. then alt tab to desktop and check the performance - you'll notice one core is taking 100% while the other is idling.. it is handy to set the affinity for your services and other apps to one core, then game on the other though :)
[10:22] <snoops> halflife 2 rather*
[10:22] <Vyoming>  looking for help with SisM650 video driver - I could not get any hardware acceleration with the driver provided at http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart4.shtml#download
[10:22] <cntb> narfmaster: 10x anyway
[10:22] <ryan_> How do I fix this?
[10:22] <legendarysim> snoops: Jusy HL2 only?
[10:22] <snoops> legendarysim no, just as an example
[10:22] <ryan_> unable to lock the administration directory, is another process using it?
[10:22] <cntb> I am out preparing dual boot for customer
[10:23] <legendarysim> legendarysim: Well I was going to pop in The Sims to now. A lot easier >.<
[10:23] <avis> snoops thanks for clarifing i dont like believing something that isn't true.
[10:23] <legendarysim> Actually SimCity would load faster >.<
[10:24] <SomiKnight> anyone tried to use jtag util from openwince package?
[10:24] <ryan_> Whenever I try to update it tells me the processes are already in progress
[10:24] <ryan_> What can I do?
[10:24] <zcat[1] > !upgrade
[10:24] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[10:24] <ryan_> It is impossible to install or remove any software
[10:24] <snoops> no worries avis
[10:25] <avis> snoops, well i'm glad you said that and i read your reply to him because i almost skipped over it and felt like a fool
[10:25] <snoops> on that note, now can I set the affinity for an application in linux?
[10:25] <narfmaster> ryan_, what else is running?
[10:25] <DBO> ryan_, if you are sure no package managers are open "sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock"
[10:26] <DBO> ryan_, but be SURE no other package managers are running
[10:26] <gdb> ryan_: do you have anything like update manager, add/remove software, or synaptic running?
[10:26] <avis> anyway i'd dual cored on a mere 2.2ghz with large cache on earlier ubuntu's and it rocked.  x2 4200 processor.
[10:26] <legendarysim> snoops: I'm getting 30-40% from each core?
[10:27] <snoops> legendarysim did you install that new plugin from amd?
[10:27] <snoops> which is supposed to spread the load over single threaded applications
[10:27] <legendarysim> snoops: Intel Dual Core not AMD
[10:27] <snoops> ah right
[10:27] <snoops> I'd say intel have something similar then
[10:27] <ryan_> nothing else is running but the terminal
[10:27] <snoops> avis yeah I use a 4400+ x2
[10:27] <legendarysim> I wish I would have gotten AMD
[10:27] <ryan_> if it is, is there a process monitor where I could tell?
[10:27] <Afief> Has anybody here succeded in compiling Gweled?
[10:27] <bertu> hey
[10:27] <legendarysim> But I couldn't get much for $800
[10:28] <avis> snoops, most excellent.  our price ranges haven't seemed to have changed since last christmas.
[10:28] <bertu> i have a problem with amarok
[10:28] <bertu> can someone help me?
[10:28] <gdb> There is no point in setting affinity on my CPUs. ;-)
[10:28] <avis> at least for the 4200
[10:28] <Afief> bertu: state your problem then wait
[10:28] <clay__> whats a good way to make my system automount devices?
[10:28] <gdb> (It's an HT not dual core)
[10:28] <DBO> ryan_, "ps -e | grep synaptic || ps -e | grep apt || ps -e | grep aptitude || echo tell dbo"
[10:28] <DBO> ryan_, if it echos "tell dbo" tell me
[10:29] <legendarysim> EEW HT CPU's
[10:29] <Vyoming>  looking for help with SisM650 video driver - I could not get any hardware acceleration with the driver provided at http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart4.shtml#download
[10:29] <bertu> ok, does amarok have a function that speeds up music...if yes how can i turn t off
[10:29] <clay__> l
[10:29] <avis> gdb, HT is dual core emulation not a dual core processor  though some dual cores do have HT
[10:29] <gdb> avis: I think that's what I just said. ;-)
[10:29] <avis> heh
[10:29] <avis> sorry
[10:29] <legendarysim> avis: Dual core plus HT is one helluva processor then.
[10:29] <avis> i'm dumb
[10:29] <oskude> Vyoming, i flew over that site, sure there is hardware acceleration in the free version ? or do you have the premium version ?
[10:29] <SGershon> Any sugestions for reading PST files?
[10:29] <gdb> :-D
[10:30] <avis> looks like a  pentium d 940 is in my future then :)
[10:30] <JuhazOne> ic56: renaming the devices.map file didn't have any effect at all :/
[10:30] <ryan_> it seems to have printed a list of running commands
[10:30] <snoops> avis that has virtualization too :)
[10:30] <legendarysim> I like the P4 D series
[10:30] <legendarysim> The 940 is even better.
[10:30] <ryan_> but no dbob
[10:30] <ryan_> dbo
[10:30] <legendarysim> 4MB L2 cache.
[10:30] <ideogram> can anyone play this radio station http://www.c895worldwide.com/web/
[10:30] <Vyoming> oskude - I downloaded the free version but it is not giving any improvement over the default FB driver that Ubuntu used
[10:30] <gdb> DBO: Don't you mean ps -e | grep synaptic || ps -e | grep apt || ps -e | grep apte && echo tell dbo ?
[10:30] <ryan_> no "tell dbo"
[10:31] <avis> yes i though that rocked the amd cpu but i could not understand the price range comparing to my x2 4200
[10:31] <DBO> gdb, no if you do an && at the end it will only do it if it finds aptitude
[10:31] <DBO> ryan_, it appears you have a package manager running somewhere
[10:31] <number_six> hi all
[10:31] <ryan_> how can I quit it?
[10:31] <gdb> DBO: Ah, you wanted it to say tell dbo if it didn't find anything.
[10:31] <ic56> JuhazOne: bummer.  Thanks for letting me know.  Rename it back and invest some time in reading up on grub.  If you figure out a solution later on, /msg memoserv send ic56 <your message> and let me know.  I'll remember the answer for future questionners...
[10:31] <oskude> Vyoming, well, you better ask the makers...
[10:31] <DBO> gdb, right
[10:32] <Vyoming> Ya .. I sent a mail to the author .. but he never replied
[10:32] <legendarysim> avis: Those X2 4200 cost so much because AMD charges more for the CPU's with larger than 1MB caches.
[10:32] <JuhazOne> uhh... ok
[10:32] <number_six> anybody can help me about kernel compiling?
[10:32] <Vyoming> that's why I turned up here
[10:32] <Vyoming> anyways thanks
[10:32] <bertu> Afief:....Have I waited enough?
[10:32] <ryan_> How do I quit the process?
[10:32] <Vyoming> I'm  getting used to things on FB
[10:33] <oskude> Vyoming, and did you read this "Once again: There is no DRI/OpenGL/3D support for the SiS 6326, 5597/5598, 530/620, 315, 550, 650, 651, 740, 330, 661, 741, 760, 761 including all model variations with letters in the model number."
[10:33] <DBO> ryan_, I suggest finding where it is and seeing what its doing
[10:33] <snoops> avis interested in knowing how to set the affinity for an app in linux?
[10:33] <legendarysim> Has anyone tried UT2004 in Linux?
[10:33] <ryan_> How do I find where it is and see what it is doing?
[10:33] <DBO> ryan_, otherwise you can try a killall <name of process>, just be careful not to do a kill -9 or bad things might happen
[10:34] <Vyoming> ya .. I'm not looking for any kind of 3D acceleration .. I'm just hoping for some kind of hardware acceleration support for usual (2D) stuff
[10:34] <ryan_> If I restart my computer what will happen?
[10:34] <DBO> ryan_, hopefully the problem will be fixed
[10:34] <ryan_> I'll restart and see what happens
[10:34] <legendarysim> It will restart...?
[10:34] <ryan_> Hopefully the process won't start with the OS
[10:34] <gdb> DBO: Do the various package managers keep the lock file open or simply touch one?  If they keep it open, then fuser -k /path/to/lockfile should take care of it.
[10:35] <gdb> I don't think there is any need to reboot the machine, ryan_.
[10:35] <DBO> gdb, they touch it and remove it afaik...
[10:35] <gdb> Ah, ok.
[10:35] <ryan_> Well, I don't know which process is blocking access or how to stop it...
[10:35] <narfmaster> "/var/cache/apt/archives/lock"
[10:35] <ryan_> Would you like me to pastebin something for you to look at?
[10:36] <DBO> ryan_, ps -ef -> pastebin
[10:36] <DBO> narfmaster, thanks =P  I mentioned that a while ago =)
[10:36] <bertu> Who has amarok? Does amarok have a function that speeds up the speed of  music...if yes how can i turn t off??
[10:36] <SomiKnight> has anyone tried jtag util from oenwince package? i get cable not initialized error when doing cable ppdev /dev/parport0 WIGGLER .it works in slackware fine, i just like ubuntu better and need this jtag stuff
[10:37] <oskude> Vyoming, "Additionally, a Linux kernel framebuffer driver for some SiS and XGI graphics cards is available here as well. This driver is meant for more advanced users as its installation requires some knowledge about kernel configuration and compilation." ;)
[10:39] <legendarysim> Does anyone know how to make Ubuntu work on my X600 card?
[10:39] <SGershon> Sound configurations are hard. I hear sound on Totem Player, but not on the volume control on the panel. Also, no sound from flash sites.
[10:39] <SGershon> Where should I check/uncheck these settings?
[10:40] <oskude> Vyoming, this could be interesting: "Sidenote: Since this seems to be a commonly made mistake: sisfb and the kernel's VESA framebuffer driver cannot be active at the same time!"
[10:40] <Vyoming> Oskude .. thanks for all the trouble. But I'm not sure I can recompile a kernel
[10:40] <Vyoming> let me try posting on hte X.org mailing list
[10:40] <number_six> anybody can help me about kernel compiling?
[10:40] <oskude> Vyoming, do you really need a bigger text console as the standard ?
[10:41] <legendarysim> Do PCI sound card work well with Linux?
[10:41] <Vyoming> no .. I'm more comfortable in X than in console
[10:41] <oskude> legendarysim, yes, if the sound chip is supported by linux...
[10:41] <oskude> Vyoming, then you dont need that sisfb (frame buffer)
[10:42] <legendarysim> oskude: Can you direct me to somewhere where I can find what sound/video hardware is supported?
[10:42] <Vyoming> anyways this Framebuffer thing is also not that irritating .. just that I can not see youtube and google videos
[10:42] <narfmaster> Vyoming, that's flash
[10:42] <oskude> Vyoming, thats another issue...
[10:43] <Vyoming> oh .. whatever .. it's working but not as fast as Windows
[10:43] <giant_> has anybody experience with eclipse??
[10:43] <legendarysim> Vyoming: You shouldn't expect it to.
[10:43] <oskude> Vyoming, dunno if flash uses XV
[10:43] <Vyoming> oskude: I don't think it uses XV
[10:44] <SGershon> Why I have sound only in part of the applications?
[10:44] <bertu> MMM 10x for the quick help ;)
[10:44] <Vyoming> oskude: becuase realplayer is playing the videos fine
[10:44] <oskude> Vyoming, how fast is your cpu ? (flash just sucks)
[10:44] <legendarysim> Where can I find the supported hardware list?
[10:44] <Vyoming> my CPU is  2.4 Ghz
[10:44] <oskude> Vyoming, oh, well, that should be enough...
[10:44] <Vyoming> and I have 1GB ram with 64MB given to Shared Video card
[10:45] <Vyoming> ya .. it's not all that bad
[10:45] <Vyoming> infact all the apps are running just fine
[10:45] <oskude> legendarysim, i would just google with your audio chip...
[10:45] <Vyoming> the problem is just with those flash sites
[10:45] <Vyoming> oskude: one more thing if you donot mind
[10:45] <avis> flash 9 has not been ported to windows yet
[10:45] <avis> or rather to linux
[10:45] <SomiKnight> has anyone tried jtag util from oenwince package? i get cable not initialized error when doing cable ppdev /dev/parport0 WIGGLER .it works in slackware fine, i just like ubuntu better and need this jtag stuff
[10:46] <oskude> Vyoming, i dont use flash, so dunno...
[10:46] <Vyoming> oskude: realplayer is playing video but audio is not coming
[10:46] <Vyoming> let me grab a screen shot of the realplayer error
[10:46] <giant_> has anybody experience with eclipse??
[10:46] <oskude> Vyoming, do other audios work ?
[10:47] <oskude> Vyoming, could be that you just have to select the right audio device (/dev/dsp)
[10:47] <Vyoming> ya .. XMMS is working fine
[10:47] <oskude> Vyoming, and sure realplayer uses ALSA (as i dont use realplayer neither...)
[10:48] <oskude> !realplayer ;)
[10:48] <ubotu> I know nothing about realplayer ;)
[10:48] <oskude> !realplayer
[10:48] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:48] <oskude> sorry
[10:48] <avis> first did you apt-get the realplayer ?
[10:48] <giant_> has anybody experience with eclipse??
[10:48] <avis> if you did apt-get remove it and then install the .deb thats in the multimedia wiki
[10:48] <narfmaster> giant_, i have eclipse installed
[10:48] <Vyoming> realplayer is saying that device is being used by other application
[10:49] <SGershon> Is there any way where I can set sound 'globally'?  For example, Totem Player plays sound, but flash (Google Videos) does not (is silent).
[10:49] <Vyoming> I'm running ALSA .. and OSS
[10:49] <giant_> narfmaster, when i create a C++ project map, i get 2 errors
[10:49] <avis> its common for flash to be silent there are several solutions under mutlimedia in the ubuntu wiki
[10:49] <giant_> and i have no code yet
[10:49] <oskude> Vyoming, and is there another programm using audio device ?
[10:50] <bluesceada> hi
[10:50] <bluesceada> is there some blacklist for the modules who get loaded at boot ?
[10:50] <giant_> there's no rule to make target 'all' and there is no rule to make target 'clean'
[10:50] <Vyoming> Ya .. I stopped XMMS and I'm sure no other app is using the soundcard
[10:51] <oskude> Vyoming, then start realplayer new
[10:51] <Vyoming> is there any environment variable needed for RealPlayer
[10:51] <Vyoming> like AUDIO=/dev/dsp or something
[10:51] <narfmaster> giant_, did you make a "managed" project?
[10:51] <bluesceada> hm how can i install dmix ?
[10:51] <oskude> Vyoming, realplayers manual should say that. but i think its allso an option in realplayers preferences...
[10:51] <SGershon> avis, I'll check that.
[10:52] <avis> SGershon, you want the redundant bandwidth wasting way ?  apt-get install gstreamer0.8-* then do the same for gstreamer 0.10-*  then wget the win32 codecs in restricted formats in ubuntu wiki then dpkg -i that .deb package and see what doesn't work anymore ?   also set your gnome mixer to the soundcard you want to use and adjust levels
[10:52] <bluesceada> normally dmix should make it possible to use different programs with a non-hardware-mixing soundcard
[10:52] <giant_> narfmaster, no i have to make a standard project for a qt application
[10:52] <SGershon> avis, thanks! Let's read it...
[10:53] <maddash> !ubotu
[10:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:53] <narfmaster> giant_, i don't have any real experience in that (sorry)
[10:53] <giant_> np, thx anyway
[10:54] <maddash> kick
[10:54] <maft> jow
[10:54] <maft> I can't fill in my password in the terminal
[10:55] <maft> how do I deal with that
[10:55] <oskude> maft, it just doesnt show it ?
[10:55] <maft> yups
[10:55] <oskude> maft, thats normal
[10:55] <maddash> maft: what do you mean, "fill in"?
[10:55] <avis> does it take you to root when you sudo -i ?
[10:55] <maddash> maft: ditto oskude.
[10:55] <maft> well I am trying to add some codecs for music
[10:55] <maft> so I found a code
[10:55] <oskude> !enter
[10:55] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[10:55] <maft> and the terminal asks for my passwoord
[10:56] <maddash> maft: but?
[10:56] <dpn> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[10:56] <dpn> what does that mean
[10:56] <oskude> maft, and then you type your password in it (it wont be shown as you type) and press enter
[10:56] <narfmaster> dpn install build-essential
[10:56] <dpn> ok thanks
[10:56] <iknow45> I just installed the latest release of ubuntu dabber, and I can't find /etc/resolve.conf and I've been reading some articles online but can't really find hte reason for it to be missing, anyone have any ideas, because I need to get the dns servers in that file else I can get online with my static ip
[10:56] <maft> well if I write my pass downin the terminal where it says to, it doesn't do anything
[10:56] <maddash> maft: have you done, "sudo passwd" already?
[10:56] <avis> dpn, for what its worth, if needed you can download earlier version of compilers
[10:57] <dpn> Just trying to compile the xmms scrobbler plugin
[10:57] <maddash> maft: you need to set the password w/ "sudo passwd"
[10:57] <maft> it says: sorry, try again while I know it's correct
[10:58] <maddash> maft: try "sudo passwd"...it ought to ask for your password
[10:58] <dpn> Anyone here installed the last.fm plugin for xmms?
[10:58] <oskude> iknow45, dunno when its generated, maybe first then when you first start youre net card with dhcp. but you could make it your self, it looks like this "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" in on line (but can be more lines with "nameserver x.x.x.x")
[10:58] <maft> thx maddash
[10:58] <maddash> maft: anytime.
[10:58] <maft> it will be needed :p
[10:59] <dpn> Whats the newest version of xmms
[10:59] <maddash> 10^7
[10:59] <iknow45> oskude, yea I tried to make my own resolve.conf but I still can't get online, I can ping locally within the network but I can't get out to the net still
[10:59] <avis> the latest ubuntu package is in the standard repos.
[10:59] <maddash> !maddash
[10:59] <ubotu> I know nothing about maddash
[10:59] <oskude> iknow45, you have a router that connects to the internet ? is it connected to internet ?
[11:00] <zcat[1] > !zcat
[11:00] <ubotu> I know nothing about zcat
[11:00] <iknow45> no, its connected to the internet directly
[11:00] <iknow45> I don't think it has anything to do with my VMware, but I have 4 other archlinux distros and they get out to the net fine
[11:00] <avis> iknow45, have you checked /etc/network/interfaces ?
[11:00] <bluesceada> hmm
[11:00] <iknow45> just needed to get a 2.4.x kernel for iscsi
[11:00] <bluesceada> i have media keys on the keyboard
[11:00] <oskude> iknow45, ah ok, then you have to connect to internet first. never done that, so dunno how to do that. try wiki and/or forum (but im pretty sure the ubotu knows something too)
[11:00] <vigilante> Im trying to gzip -d UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz gzip: UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz: unexpected end of file , and it fails, what is wrong here?
[11:00] <iknow45> yea the setttings in /etc/network/interfaces are correct
[11:00] <bluesceada> they make reactiions in "xev"
[11:01] <bluesceada> but i dont know how to use them else
[11:01] <bluesceada> anyone can help ?
[11:01] <benkyoto> hey anyone here who knows his/her way in xmcompmgr?
[11:01] <gorski> i have downloaded jdeveloper from oracle, does it work on ubunutu?
[11:01] <benkyoto> I want to prevent xcomp displaying shadows on desklets
[11:01] <oskude> iknow45, lol, maybe you should say that youre using vmware in the first plave, i have no idea about thaqt software.
[11:01] <iknow45> well it just emulates an environemtn to install
[11:02] <maddash> vigilante: the file's corrupted?
[11:02] <iknow45> but again, I doubt it's affecting the install
[11:02] <avis> vigilante, you got me.  i dunno.
[11:02] <maddash> vigilante: does the host you downloaded from provide and md5 hash of the file?
[11:02] <iknow45> thanks for the help anyways
[11:02] <bluesceada> hmm
[11:02] <bluesceada> noone has a clue about the media keys
[11:02] <vigilante> maddash: not sure, I can go check...
[11:02] <haffe> Hello. Would somebody care to help me. I would like to get hibernate working with my nforce2 motherboard. I can't seem to find an updated howto.
[11:03] <avis> maddash, why would gzip care if the file was corrupted ?  or do you mean sector ?
[11:03] <dragon> hi
[11:03] <kolaje> i'm having pretty bad problems with cedega in ubuntu, is this normal?  is ubuntu scared of cedega?
[11:03] <maddash> avis: gzip is lossless, rah? If the file were corrupted....
[11:03] <mimix> any buffs on sharing a printer across my network? MY computer is 6.0.6 however the printer is on a XP machine
[11:03] <haffe> buffs?
[11:04] <avis> maddash by lossless meaning it provides to compression mostly just a hand basket ?
[11:04] <mimix> anyone with good knowledge i should say
[11:04] <avis> no compression
[11:04] <vigilante> I will try downloading the file again from a different source, couldn't finda md5
[11:04] <maddash> avis: huh?
[11:04] <avis> maddash, ignore me
[11:04] <oskude> bluesceada, take a look about "xmodmap", may help
[11:04] <maddash> avis: roger that.
[11:05] <poenkx> any body can help me?
[11:05] <avis> maddash if you care -- does it just archive the files without compression ?
[11:05] <bluesceada> oskude: umm isnt that meant for mice
[11:05] <poenkx> how to install yahoo messenger to dapper?
[11:05] <ROBOd> hello guys
[11:05] <poenkx> how to install yahoo messenger to dapper?
[11:05] <ROBOd> how to get a mouse in the terminal?
[11:05] <poenkx> how to install yahoo messenger to dapper?
[11:06] <bluesceada> and they work in "xev" ..
[11:06] <oskude> bluesceada, i use(d) it for keyboard...
[11:06] <bluesceada> oskude: ok, thx
[11:06] <avis> poenkx, gaim seems to install most IM protocols and should be updated frequently should any protocol changes arrive.
[11:06] <avis> support most protocols..
[11:06] <oskude> bluesceada, man xmodmap says "xmodmap  - utility for modifying keymaps and pointer button mappings in X"
[11:06] <avis> anyway
[11:06] <avis> i'm out of here
[11:06] <benkyoto> anyone who can help me with the xcompmgr setting to keep it from displaying drop shadows on desklets?
[11:06] <avis> ciao !
[11:06] <benkyoto> is there a way?
[11:06] <poenkx> I know Gaim but I like to do more with yahoo messenger
[11:06] <dragon> tbye m8
[11:06] <poenkx> I know Gaim but I like to do more with yahoo messenger
[11:06] <dragon> ...to slow lol
[11:07] <Knome> !repeat > poenkx
[11:07] <bluesceada> oskude: yeh, but to what should i map them??
[11:07] <bluesceada> they are just keys which should do something, not be like other keys :S
[11:07] <dragon> gaim cant use audio or video either...:(
[11:07] <ROBOd> poenkx: there's an official yahoo messenger version for linux
[11:07] <ROBOd> poenkx: but that's outdated
[11:07] <oskude> bluesceada, sorry, didnt see that part, i just saw "media keys" :)
[11:07] <ROBOd> it's worse than Gaim
[11:07] <vigilante> Another question, how do I find out the name of the alsa device?  and if its misconfigured? (Im reading this http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/Doom3FrontPage?action=show&redirect=FrontPage#head-8c36163f1dfc3a253ef72c0f821b0b0dd2fc17b1 )
[11:07] <poenkx> I can not install it
[11:07] <maddash> !repeat > poenkx
[11:08] <maft> I found something to make my music work, can anybody tell me if this will work for mp3 and wma?
[11:08] <maft>  How to install Multimedia Codecs  Stubby All known codecs work except for wmv  Read #General Notes Read #How to add extra repositories  sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-gl sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-base sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-good sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10
[11:08] <oskude> bluesceada, maybe you just map them to nothing ("" or such)
[11:08] <bluesceada> hm okay, thanks then, i will try it out
[11:08] <ROBOd> guys, how to get a mouse in the terminal?
[11:08] <sorush20> I have a very large harddisk .. 300gb would I benefit from RAID, in terms of speed and backup of data?
[11:08] <maddash> R0b0d: define "get a mouse" and "terminal" (you mean bash?)
[11:08] <HackerX> *-*_*-* Ok, I Need to know who i need to talk to in order to get unbanned from this channel. i was wrongly banned and i would like to talk to someone about this. can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks *-*_*-*
[11:09] <oskude> sorush20, you need atleast 2 harddrives to have any use from raid
[11:09] <ROBOd> maddash: lol
[11:09] <poenkx> anybody has ATI Radeon 7000 driver?
[11:09] <dragon> isnt raid for more than 1 HDD on 1 system?
[11:09] <poenkx> anybody has ATI Radeon 7000 driver?
[11:09] <ROBOd> maddash: yes, bash
[11:09] <dragon> u shud have that peon
[11:09] <ROBOd> maddash: like in MS-DOS
[11:09] <Knome> !ops > HackerX
[11:09] <maft> no poenix, but I probably will need drivers for my ati radeon as well
[11:09] <maddash> r0b0d: could you be more specific about the mouse part?
[11:10] <gorski> i have downloaded jdeveloper from oracle, does it work on ubunutu?
[11:10] <poenkx> thanks maft
[11:10] <eobanb> mouse...what the heck?
[11:10] <HackerX> ! ops
[11:10] <ubotu> Help! lilo, hedgemage, lamont, Keybuk, jdub, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee or gnomefreak!
[11:10] <dragon> ...www.ati.com
[11:10] <maddash> r0b0d: "like in MS-DOS"? are you in alt-f7 mode or ctrl+alt+f2 mode?
[11:10] <dragon> i cant get my gfx card to work right......and i still dunno how to instal lmao
[11:10] <ROBOd> maddash: have you ever used MS-DOS?
[11:11] <ROBOd> maddash: ctrl+alt+f2, pure console, not from X
[11:11] <ROBOd> that's where i want mouse
[11:11] <poenkx> can I enable arabic language in word Processor?
[11:11] <poenkx> can I enable arabic language in word Processor?
[11:11] <eobanb> yes, poenkx.  yes, poenkx.
[11:11] <narfmaster> ROBOd, sudo apt-get install gpm
[11:11] <maddash> r0b0d: I think it's up to the program you're using to implement it...I don't know what to do about that...
[11:12] <poenkx> how <narfmaster>?
[11:12] <poenkx> what I have to do?
[11:12] <Ayabara> what torrent client do people use. is there anything similar to utorrent in windows?
[11:13] <eobanb> !locale
[11:13] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocaleConf
[11:13] <narfmaster> Ayabara, i'm using utorrent
[11:13] <narfmaster> in Wine, that is
[11:13] <ROBOd> thanks narfmaster
[11:13] <Ayabara> narfmaster: ahh. and that is working well?
[11:13] <maddash> how slow can that get?
[11:13] <narfmaster> ROBOd, no problem
[11:13] <narfmaster> Ayabara, works fine
[11:13] <JuhazOne> ok guys... i found out at least partly what is causing my problem with grub and the SATA drive
[11:13] <ic56> JuhazOne: do tell!
[11:13] <JuhazOne> grub can detect the drive when in linux but not when i'm booting the computer :/
[11:13] <giant_> what's the difference between usual terminal and Konsole??
[11:13] <JuhazOne> it thinks it simply doesn't exist
[11:14] <vigilante> maddash: do you know how to find the alsa device name?
[11:14] <eobanb> giant_, one runs in x, the other runs in the framebuffer?
[11:14] <maddash> vigilante: no
[11:14] <giant_> dunno, i installed kdevelop and it installed Konsole with it
[11:15] <eobanb> Ayabara, i like transmission, unfortunately there's no ubuntu package for it yet
[11:15] <JuhazOne> if only i could figure out how to fix this...
[11:15] <ic56> JuhazOne: that implies that the Linux kernel recognizes the drive but grub itself doesn't.  Either a deficiency in grub or maybe a problem in your BIOS config...
[11:15] <Ayabara> eobanb: ok. I've only used gnome-btdownload and azureus under ubuntu, and I don't like any of them much...
[11:16] <JuhazOne> ic56: yeah :/
[11:16] <crimsun> vigilante: alsa doesn't provide "device names"
[11:17] <Pupeno> With htop I see that one of my processors is at 100%, the other varies. It seems the problem is X, it is running at 1.7 but it makes peaks to 57% (the strange thing is that when it makes a peak the other processor gets usage). Any ideas ?
[11:17] <lassegs> Hi. I'm a newbie who tried to fix the jack output on my laptop but instad lost my all my sound. alsa cant find sound device. I compiled some packages from realtek. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to do reinstall of alsa so i get back to where i started from?
[11:18] <JuhazOne> i suppose i could try installing grub on the SATA disk, unplug the regular one and see if it happens to work then
[11:18] <JuhazOne> also, there are four SATA connectors on my mobo. they come in pairs somehow...
[11:19] <vigilante> crimsun: so what does this link mean? http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/Doom3FrontPage?action=show&redirect=FrontPage#head-8c36163f1dfc3a253ef72c0f821b0b0dd2fc17b1
[11:19] <maddash> !ops
[11:19] <ubotu> Help! lilo, hedgemage, lamont, Keybuk, jdub, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee or gnomefreak!
[11:19] <JuhazOne> the mobo is Asus K8V Deluxe
[11:19] <gorski> when can i expect or download j2re1.5
[11:19] <rob> ?
[11:19] <JuhazOne> the connectors are named SATA1, SATA2, PRI_SATA and SEC_SATA
[11:19] <rob> maddash, whats up?
[11:19] <JuhazOne> right now i'm using PRI_SATA. it tried SATA1 first but linux didn't seem to detect the disk at all back then
[11:19] <crimsun> vigilante: those are aliases and not actual devices.
[11:20] <crimsun> vigilante: have you tried those suggestions?
[11:20] <oskude> JuhazOne, try google with youre mobo and sata, maybe there are known bugs. just a gues
[11:20] <benkyoto> Hi ppl? Anyone who knows the parameters I need to enter in xcompmgr so drop shadows are not displayed in desklets. Can a list of exceptions be created or something?
[11:20] <JuhazOne> if i'm not mistaken the Promise 20378 RAID controller on this mobo controls PRI_SATA and SEC_SATA and VIA VT8237 controls SATA1 and SATA2
[11:20] <rob> sigh, don't abuse that, please :)
[11:20] <narfmaster> gorski, in Dapper you can apt-get "sun-java5-bin"
[11:20] <JuhazOne> yeah... first i tried googling with those controllers but i guess i could try with the mobo too
[11:21] <mimix> anyone here use a PIXMA MP800 printer/scanner ??
[11:21] <eobanb> why was maddash kicked just now
[11:21] <mimix> im looking for drivers, or atleast the next closest thing
[11:21] <dragon> :(
[11:21] <lassegs> gorski, you install sun-java5-bin from synaptics because it has a license agreement you must accept which doesnt work in a terminal
[11:21] <oskude> eobanb, (s)he missused the ops command
[11:22] <dragon> my 749.7 mb download has stoped....
[11:22] <dragon> this isnt g00d lol
[11:22] <dragon> meh
[11:22] <gorski> ok
[11:22] <gorski> is it oracle jdeveloper runable on ubuntu?
[11:23] <vigilante> will libxine-extracodecs support all of quicktime and realmedia?
[11:23] <crimsun> no.
[11:23] <gorski> i cannot start java -jar oc4j.jar -install (access denied)
[11:23] <eobanb> certainly not all real media
[11:23] <lassegs> but are there noone here who can help me with doing a clean install of alsa?
[11:24] <eobanb> quicktime files these days tend to just be mpeg 4 or h.264 which is easy to play
[11:24] <mp3guy> is there a program I can get that maps my joypad buttons to keyboard keys?
[11:24] <crimsun> lassegs: what's the issue?
[11:25] <narfmaster> mp3guy, i think jscalibrator will do that
[11:25] <dpn> lol, does anyone know where the default download location is for xchat
[11:25] <dpn> i was downloading and changed it, now I cant find the files i was sent
[11:25] <giant_> how can i create an empty project in KDevelop??
[11:25] <lassegs> crimsun, as mentioned above I tried to fix the jack output on my asusA6v, but ended up destroying alsa. No ive got no sound at all, because alsa doesnt recognize the sound device. im trying to get back to start
[11:25] <oskude> someone should say ubotu how important backup (of config files) is ;) (well, could allso tell some general backup methods)
[11:26] <giant_> how can i create an empty project in KDevelop??
[11:26] <crimsun> lassegs: give me a sec to read backscroll (I don't watch this channel).
[11:26] <infernux> join #hal
[11:26] <narfmaster> dpn, look in ~/.xchat2
[11:26] <infernux> oops
[11:26] <dpn> where is that
[11:27] <lassegs> crimsun, ive apt-get removed alsa-base and reinstalled it, but that didnt work?
[11:27] <lassegs> *!
[11:27] <crimsun> lassegs: reinstall alsa-base, linux-sound-base, and linux-image-$(uname -r)
[11:27] <giant_> !gay
[11:27] <ubotu> I know nothing about gay
[11:27] <dpn> narf, is that in a folder under file system?
[11:28] <vigilante> crimsun: no, haven't tried suggestions, cause I didn't know about aliases name, how do I find that?
[11:28] <lassegs> crimsun, ok, ill try that
[11:28] <narfmaster> dpn that is a hidden folder
[11:28] <cef> dpn: the .xchat2 directory under your home dir. note: all directories and fiels starting with . are usually considered "hidden"
[11:28] <crimsun> lassegs: note that you'll have to wipe /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ prior to reinstalling linux-image-$(uname -r)
[11:28] <narfmaster> dpn, ~ = /home/user
[11:28] <crimsun> vigilante: they're stated in that faq
[11:28] <lassegs> crimsun, wipe being deleting?
[11:28] <crimsun> lassegs: yes
[11:29] <dpn> thanks
[11:29] <lassegs> crimsun, thanks very much, ill try this
[11:29] <mp3guy> narfmaster, can see anything about mapping in it
[11:29] <gonniff> good morning
[11:30] <HiP_P> !mms
[11:30] <ubotu> I know nothing about mms
[11:30] <narfmaster> mp3guy, you may be right, i haven't used my joystick in a while :p
[11:30] <HiP_P> what can i use to watch/listen to mms streams?
[11:31] <narfmaster> gstreamer0.8-mms
[11:31] <gonniff> at the risk of looking dumb, what's mms?
[11:31] <narfmaster> err, that is mimms
[11:32] <oskude> gonniff, im "dumb" too, so i use wikipedia ;)
[11:33] <HiP_P> cheers narfmaster... that will work totem then i guess.
[11:33] <HiP_P> gonniff dont worry i feel dumb in here a lot of the time
[11:33] <gonniff> oskude: thanks - really should have wiki'd it. :)
[11:33] <thotz> i have formated one partition of my usb harddisk with ext3. gnome automounts it correctly, but only root can have access to it. can i change that?
[11:33] <gonniff> HiP_P: ah, good, then I don't feel like the Lone Ranger :)
[11:33] <HiP_P> hahah good good
[11:34] <dpn> Is there a way to turn my monitors off after 5 min instead of a screensaver
[11:34] <dpn> I dont see any power saver option in the list
[11:34] <vigilante> crimsun: all I see is <alsa_device_name> , what did I miss?
[11:34] <thotz> with fat32 it works
[11:34] <crimsun> vigilante: "default", "plughw:0", "plug:surround51", ...
[11:35] <frogzoo> thotz: once, it's mounted, check 'ls -ld /mntpoint'
[11:35] <HiP_P> hmmmm iam still getting URI error
[11:35] <thotz> ls: /mntpoint: No such file or directory
[11:36] <frogzoo> thotz: s/mntpoint/ the directory you mounted it...
[11:36] <samuli> mnt point = mount point, means YOUR mount point, which may vary :)
[11:37] <thotz> ahh
[11:37] <gorski> how to start oc4j server?
[11:37] <thotz> should be this: brw-rw---- 1 root plugdev 8, 35 2006-07-09 11:33 /dev/sdc3
[11:37] <frogzoo> gorski: is there anything like /etc/init.d/oc4j   ???
[11:38] <HiP_P> oh well just see if anyone could quickly with that one.... ill sort it later..... cheers again all
[11:38] <thotz> and how can I change that. why is it mounted as root?
[11:38] <HiP_P> bye
[11:38] <frogzoo> thotz: that's not the mount point, that's the device
[11:38] <gorski> no
[11:38] <gorski> but i have it in /opt/java/bin
[11:39] <gorski> frogzoo?
[11:39] <frogzoo> gorski: ?
[11:40] <thotz> mh. i don't understand it...
[11:40] <narfmaster> thotz, try ls -ld /media/sdc3
[11:40] <gorski> but i have oc4j in /opt/java/bin
[11:40] <gorski> how to start it?
[11:40] <frogzoo> gorski: check the README - or see if there's something in /usr/share/doc/oc4j
[11:40] <thotz> ls: /media/sdc3: No such file or directory
[11:41] <ompaul> thotz, a disk gets mounted, the place is get mounted to is called the mount point, the disk has a device name /dev/* and the place it gets mounted is usually /media/
[11:41] <frogzoo> thotz: does the file system show up when you use the 'mount' command?
[11:41] <narfmaster> thotz, try ls -ld /media
[11:42] <gorski> ufff.. no such thing
[11:42] <ompaul> thotz, the /media/* is a directory name that exists before the mounting, the system has some default ones and creates more as new devices are introduced
[11:42] <narfmaster> hmm, actually thotz try ls -l /media
[11:42] <thotz> drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 2006-07-09 11:33 /media
[11:42] <vigilante> crimsun: thx
[11:42] <nemlah> Hello all..
[11:42] <tvalladon> anyone spare information link on getting xdmcp to work right? have checked the proper options in gdmsetup on both laptop and desktop but they can not see each other... so I must be missing a step.
[11:44] <eobanb> welcome, nemlah
[11:44] <thotz> it's this: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2006-07-09 10:35 /media/usbdisk/
[11:44] <narfmaster> looks good
[11:45] <frogzoo> thotz: more than likely that's it - now you need to change its permissions for others to access it
[11:45] <nemlah> ok i am probably not the first one and there does exist a lot of post out there regarding the issue, but could someone help me with the ati drivers on a dual monitor system?
[11:45] <nemlah> this is my second install of dapper
[11:45] <frogzoo> thotz: usually though you'll create subdirectories for users, and give them ownership of those
[11:45] <nemlah> and i would like to do it right this time.. spend most of last night kicking the comp
[11:45] <thotz> but i don't know how to change the permission.
[11:45] <samuli> nemlah, what's the problem?
[11:45] <nemlah> ok
[11:45] <nemlah> fresh install
[11:46] <nemlah> easy ubuntu add ati drivers
[11:46] <oskude> !enter
[11:46] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[11:46] <samuli> nemlah, are they fglrx or ati-proprietary?
[11:46] <nemlah> hmm they are different?
[11:46] <thotz> if i use fat32 instead of ext3 it works and i can copy files on it as a normal user.
[11:46] <nemlah> i suppose the ones that easy ubuntu installed xorg fglrx..
[11:47] <Ayabara> any recommendations for a good download manager?
[11:47] <frogzoo> nemlah: upgrade to fglrx & install fglrx-control
[11:47] <nemlah> ok how to do it.. how do i check which one easy ubuntu installed ?
[11:47] <frogzoo> !permissions > thotz
[11:48] <nemlah> i have fglrxinfo
[11:48] <nemlah> allthough right now it is showing an mesa driver
[11:48] <samuli> nemlah, try cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep "Driver"
[11:48] <nicolito> Hello, good morning: anybody knows how the superuser in linux can get the list of passwords of the other users???
[11:48] <thotz> i'll have a look at it. but for me this is more a bug
[11:48] <samuli> nemlah, see what it says after last Driver
[11:48] <Ayabara> is there an easy way in ubuntu to check if a port is open?
[11:49] <nemlah> fglrx
[11:49] <dragon> hmmmmm
[11:49] <nemlah> allthough there are quite some drivers there
[11:49] <oskude> Ayabara, i like "nmap localhost", but there are many tools for that
[11:49] <nemlah> three related to the screen setup i suppose
[11:49] <nemlah> ati and twi fglrx
[11:49] <Ayabara> oskude: thx, I'll try it out
[11:50] <dragon> can sum 1 help me to install limewire?
[11:50] <samuli> nemlah, you might want to paste you xorg.conf to pastebin.
[11:50] <fyrestrtr> nicolito: not possible.
[11:50] <dragon> ive been serchin forums n stuff for 2 hours and cant find n e thing on "how to install"...
[11:50] <nemlah> yes i will do that.. brb need to restart
[11:50] <frogzoo> dragon: 'sudo apt-get install frostwire' = done
[11:50] <oskude> nicolito, you would need to crack the passwords...
[11:51] <nicolito> fyrestrtr, so if the superuser needs to log in as one of the users to install a program, what can he do??
[11:51] <dragon> ok thanx m8
[11:51] <tufsy> hi
[11:51] <fyrestrtr> nicolito: su [nameofuser]
[11:52] <nicolito> fyrestrtr, but it asks you one password, isnt it?
[11:52] <fyrestrtr> it shouldn't if you are root
[11:52] <fyrestrtr> try it.
[11:52] <oskude> nicolito, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[11:53] <narfmaster> why would you want to login as a user if you are already root?
[11:53] <nicolito> oskude, is there any way to crack the passwords??
[11:53] <tvalladon> ok, if no one has an info link does any one have any specific hints as how to get remote xwindows to work right? was never a problem in 5.x but with 6.06 I seem to have issues...
[11:53] <tufsy> i am new to linux, i followed a tutorial on installing xgl and it worked! but, i dunno why but it seems when i click my "quit" button top right - i have no option anymore to shut down or restart - i just have, hibernate, log off, lock etc. how do i get the shut down and restart option back again?
[11:53] <fyrestrtr> nicolito: wth are you trying to do? You don't need to crack any passwords. If you are root, you have access to the entire system.
[11:54] <frogzoo> narfmaster: so that if you trip up, you don't take the system down with you
[11:54] <fyrestrtr> tufsy: I think this is a bug in the software itself.
[11:54] <nemlah> HAHAHA... back in dual screen!!!
[11:54] <nemlah> i rebooted and i have dual!!!
[11:54] <samuli> nemlah, cool :)
[11:54] <nemlah> buuut
[11:54] <nemlah> the screens are switched
[11:54] <fyrestrtr> uhoh lol
[11:54] <samuli> (there's always a but)
[11:54] <nemlah> how do i set the primary and the secondary
[11:54] <nemlah> ?
[11:55] <oskude> tufsy, xgl isnt even beta, so you gotta live with them, or track them down... the bugs that is...
[11:55] <nicolito> fyrestrtr: I want to configure a program to access internet of one of the users, but I only know to configure it in GDM (grafical mode)
[11:55] <tanlaan> hey everyone, im getting an error while trying to execute a file, it says cant execute binary files is there any possible way to make it work?
[11:55] <tufsy> fyrestrtr: ok, so it cannot be fixed? cos now i have to log off and then shut down
[11:55] <samuli> nemlah, type aticonfig
[11:55] <nemlah> aticonfig
[11:55] <fyrestrtr> nemlah: how did you configure it?
[11:55] <nemlah> haha
[11:55] <samuli> ok, now type it in terminal :)
[11:55] <fyrestrtr> tufsy: it will be fixed, but not now. xgl is very alpha quality software. Expect bugs.
[11:55] <tanlaan> if needed i will send a pastebin of the shell script executing it, and the error that comes up *specifically*
[11:55] <lewwy> Hey guys