[01:50] <toafan> I've been trying to bind Alt-Space to the window menu (or 'Operation Menu', as it seems KWin calls it), but I can't find any way to do so.  Help?
[02:51] <skreech_> toafan: Let me take a look
[02:58] <skreech_> toafan: alt+F2-> global -> select Kwin -> filter for operations -> Change to Custom -> Alt+Space -> Hit apply
[03:32] <ussher_> im trying to use cmake-gui to build sumwars (a game) from source.  its telling me "Required library POCO not found"  How do I know what package to install to provide POCO?
[03:33] <ussher_> im assuming i have to apt-get something, but dont know what.
[03:34] <tsimpson> a good way to start is by searching for what it says, like "apt-cache search poco", but as it actually says "library", you can narrow that down by prefixing "lib": eg  "apt-cache search libpoco"
[03:35] <tsimpson> and, as you've compiling software, you'll want the development version, those all end in -dev
[03:35] <ussher_> awesome tsimpson
[03:35] <ussher_> that works, there it is.  'libpoco-dev'
[03:35] <ussher_> ill try that
[03:36] <ussher_> nice.  configure worked smoothly.  got a 'generate done' message.  looks like it worked
[03:37] <ussher_> thank you
[03:37] <tsimpson> you're welcome
[06:00] <drcode> hi all
[06:00] <drcode> I have found strange bug with ati amd 7750 , under kubuntu 12.04 I can't run opengl , it work on ubuntu with unity , any idea?
[06:01] <skreech__> you can't run opengl?
[06:02] <drcode> no
[06:02] <thechef> drcode: how do you know opengl is not working?
[06:02] <drcode> It work only if I move the opengl window it self
[06:03] <drcode> I tryied to run fglx_gear
[06:03] <drcode> When I have switch to gnome , it worked perfect
[06:03] <drcode> also I have tryied to use dolphine-emu with gamecubes
[06:04] <drcode> I have also open ticket in ati amd , but I think it releted to kde or somthing
[06:22] <skreech__> drcode: might be Kwin? do you have desktop effects on?
[06:30] <Guest70140> ha!
[06:34] <drcode> hi skfin
[06:34] <drcode> hi skreech__
[06:34] <drcode> what is kwin
[06:35] <drcode> I just install kubuntu and installed catalyst driver
[06:42] <skreech__> drcode: kwin is the window manager.
[06:43] <skreech__> drcode: press alt+F2 -> effects  -> choose desktop effects
[06:43] <skreech__> Is that enabled or no?
[06:44] <Moomoo> any chinese?
[06:44] <skreech__> !cn
[06:46] <Moomoo> thx
[07:47] <drcode> I will have to reinstall kububntu again
[07:47] <drcode> thanx skreech__
[07:53] <nickyc> How do I install KDE 4.9.2?
[07:55] <tsimpson> same answer as you got in #kde
[08:23] <qw[Russian]> hello all
[08:23] <qw[Russian]> help me please now i install xampp but i am not see an search were i install
[08:51] <mah454> Hello
[08:51] <qw[Russian]> hi
[09:31] <spexi> Hi!  Not considering my homework...
[10:18] <qw[Russian]> =)
[10:19] <qw[Russian]> and I prepare for house cleaning)
[10:19] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: ш рфму щту йгуыешщт ащк нщг,
[10:20] <qw[Russian]> sorry
[10:20] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: i have one question for you *
[10:20] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: That are a lot of ?
[10:20] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: what is you name ?)
[10:20] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: That is exactly the thing I like about IRC it is anonymous. So I rather not tell.
[10:21] <qw[Russian]> =)
[10:22] <qw[Russian]> okey i am away clear my room
[10:22] <qw[Russian]> )
[11:54] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[12:00] <qw[Russian]> help me please
[12:01] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: hi
[12:01] <qw[Russian]> рш
[12:01] <qw[Russian]> hi
[12:01] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: english?
[12:01] <qw[Russian]> i would like edit one document but after edit i click save and see error
[12:02] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: what error?
[12:02] <qw[Russian]> first - edit this file: https-xampp.conf
[12:03] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: where is the file ? location?
[12:03] <qw[Russian]> The document can't be kept, as it was not possible to write down in / opt/lampp/etc/extra/httpd-xampp.conf.
[12:03] <qw[Russian]>
[12:03] <qw[Russian]> Check the rights to record in this file and existence of an available place on a disk.
[12:04] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: did you open the file for editing with root permissioms?
[12:04] <qw[Russian]> тщ
[12:04] <qw[Russian]> no
[12:04] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: did you open the file for editing with root permissions?
[12:04] <qw[Russian]> were open root permissions ?
[12:04] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: open terminal and run this command "sudo kate opt/lampp/etc/extra/httpd-xampp.conf"
[12:05] <phoenix_firebrd> it will ask for password,put the password and it will open the document
[12:05] <qw[Russian]> qw@ubuntu or root@ubuntu ?
[12:05] <phoenix_firebrd> now you will be able to save the file
[12:06] <phoenix_firebrd> did you open the terminal?
[12:06] <qw[Russian]> yes
[12:06] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: run this command sudo kate opt/lampp/etc/extra/httpd-xampp.conf
[12:06] <qw[Russian]> but after paste i have very very error
[12:07] <phoenix_firebrd> how did you paste?
[12:07] <qw[Russian]> copy pate
[12:07] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[12:07] <qw[Russian]> http://pastebin.com/Y93yA3xA
[12:08] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: ignore that, did the file open in the editor?
[12:08] <qw[Russian]> нуы
[12:08] <qw[Russian]> yes
[12:08] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: did you edit it?
[12:08] <qw[Russian]> file open but file is clear (
[12:09] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: right click the file and go to properties
[12:09] <tsimpson> erm, it'd be "kdesudo kate /opt/lampp/etc/extra/httpd-xampp.conf"
[12:09] <tsimpson> kdesudo not sudo, and missing initial /
[12:09] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: then in the properties dialog , goto the permissions tab and the owner of the file
[12:10] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: why not sudo?
[12:10] <tsimpson> !kdesudo | phoenix_firebrd
[12:10] <tsimpson> basically, kdesudo fixes issues sudo has with GUI apps, so it's a good thing
[12:12] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: But what if you want to debug?
[12:12] <qw[Russian]> tsimpson: phoenix_firebrd: thank you
[12:12] <phoenix_firebrd> Walzmyn: problem solved?
[12:12] <phoenix_firebrd> oops
[12:12] <tsimpson> phoenix_firebrd: debug what?
[12:12] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: problem solved?
[12:13] <tsimpson> phoenix_firebrd: just output from the app? kdesudo doesn't interfere with it, exactly the same as sudo
[12:13] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: eg kate
[12:13] <tsimpson> just run from a terminal
[12:13] <qw[Russian]> maybe i restart xampp
[12:15] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: the blog says its a bug
[12:16] <tsimpson> phoenix_firebrd: the bug is with gtksudo
[12:16] <tsimpson> we use, the far superior, KDESudo ;)
[12:17] <qw[Russian]> (
[12:17] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: I like kdesudo , but still i am not convinced using sudo is a problem, i have to read the blog fully to understand the issue
[12:18] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: did you edit the file ?
[12:18] <qw[Russian]> yes but i write http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ and see error (
[12:20] <qw[Russian]> phoenix_firebrd: and you maybe see this error  http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[12:20] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: where do you see the error, in the terminal or as a message?
[12:20] <tsimpson> phoenix_firebrd: run "sudo konsole", and type "echo $USER $HOME $PWD", compare that to running the same in "sudo konsole"
[12:21] <tsimpson> * "kdesudo konsole" for the second one
[12:21] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: ok
[12:22] <qw[Russian]> phoenix_firebrd: do you see this error?
[12:24] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: got it
[12:24] <qw[Russian]> (
[12:24] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: in that case the app uses a dir in root for configs?
[12:25] <tsimpson> phoenix_firebrd: with kdesudo it uses /root, without it could overwrite files in the users $HOME, but as root
[12:26] <tsimpson> if you're unlucky enough that the app write a new config file, the user can't store their settings without a sudo chown
[12:26] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: ya
[12:27] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: i can't understand your problem , i will paste the snap of the error message you seny
[12:27] <phoenix_firebrd> *sent
[12:29] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: is this the error message you mean? http://imagebin.org/229608
[12:30] <qw[Russian]> ye
[12:30] <qw[Russian]> yes*
[12:30] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: you get the error in the browser?
[12:30] <qw[Russian]> +1
[12:33] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: you have to configure the permissions in the httpd-xampp.conf file and that can be done only from the local network as said by the error message
[12:33] <qw[Russian]> i am configure file
[12:34] <qw[Russian]> edit file *
[12:34] <phoenix_firebrd> I think you are having problem configuring a network server , am i right?
[12:35] <qw[Russian]> i would like install site but this problem dont have instsll site
[12:35] <tsimpson> try accessing it from <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:36] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[12:37] <qw[Russian]> join in 127 but i see only "welcome xampp for Linux
[12:37] <qw[Russian]> "
[12:40] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]:  ask for help in this channel #httpd
[12:42] <qw[Russian]> hmm
[12:44] <BluesKaj> HIyas all
[12:45] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[12:46] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd
[12:46] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: do you know how to configure a server?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> that's a pretty general question ..what kind of server , phoenix_firebrd ?
[12:47] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: needs help in configuring a xampp server
[12:47] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ^
[12:51] <BluesKaj> qw[Russian], http://freshtutorial.com/install-xamp-ubuntu/ , this should help you
[12:54] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, ^
[13:02] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: he has installed xampp and the server is running, now doesnt know how to configure it
[13:07] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[13:08] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: good evening
[13:08] <qw[Russian]> good day
[13:09] <lordievader> Hey qw[Russian]
[13:09] <qw[Russian]> =(
[13:10] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: From where the sad smiley?
[13:11] <qw[Russian]> but i not understand why ?
[13:11] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: I'm sorry, what?
[13:12] <qw[Russian]> http://pastebin.com/rEBG96Wh
[13:13] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: thats not the error log
[13:13] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: check if you have this file \xampp\apache\logs\error.log
[13:14] <qw[Russian]> in linux \xampp\apache\logs\error.log ?
[13:14] <lordievader> Backslash is Windows?
[13:14] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: yes
[13:15] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: In that case , check if you have this file /xampp/apache/logs/error.log
[13:15] <lordievader> Since when does xampp get it's own folder on root?
[13:16] <qw[Russian]> The file or the folder doesn't exist
[13:17] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader:  opt/xampp/apache/logs/error.log ?
[13:17] <qw[Russian]> maybe lampp ?
[13:18] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: That looks more like it... though it would be strange. Why wouldn't xampp keep it's logs in /var/log/?
[13:18] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: ya
[13:18] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]:  /opt/lampp/logs/error_log
[13:19] <qw[Russian]> http://pastebin.com/Ft7sZkti
[13:20] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: There is a syntax error in /opt/lampp/etc/extra/httpd-xampp.conf
[13:20] <qw[Russian]> and ?
[13:21] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: That is probably the cause of Apache failing to start...
[13:21] <Smurphy> you have a: * somewhere in the middle of the file.
[13:21] <Smurphy> and it is noty valid.
[13:22] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Did you edit the httpd config file?
[13:22] <qw[Russian]> yes
[13:22] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: you have some problem in the config file, you might have done some mistake while editing it
[13:22] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Well somewhere you made an error, so you need to go back and fix it.
[13:26] <qw[Russian]> root@ubuntu:~# sudo kate opt/lampp/etc/extra/httpd-xampp.conf
[13:26] <qw[Russian]> No protocol specified
[13:26] <qw[Russian]> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[13:26] <qw[Russian]>
[13:27] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: try "kdesudo kate opt/lampp/etc/extra/httpd-xampp.conf"
[13:28] <BluesKaj> kate?
[13:28] <qw[Russian]> root@ubuntu:~# kdesudo kate opt/lampp/etc/extra/httpd-xampp.conf
[13:28] <qw[Russian]> No protocol specified
[13:28] <qw[Russian]> kdesudo: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[13:28] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: what?
[13:28] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: First do "export DISPLAY=:0"
[13:28] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Or use nano.
[13:29] <julians> or sudo kate opt/lampp/etc/extra/httpd-xampp.conf or nano
[13:29] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: you are in tty?
[13:29] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: Ssh.
[13:29] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: ^
[13:29] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: what is does ?
[13:29] <phoenix_firebrd> :)
[13:30] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: What the export command do? It changes an enviroment variable. In this case where the Xserver is located.
[13:30] <qw[Russian]> [16:28:42] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: First do "export DISPLAY=:0"
[13:30] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: are you using konsole?
[13:30] <qw[Russian]> +1
[13:31] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: why is he getting this error first
[13:31] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Anyhow it is a good idea to use nano, then you don't have to meddle with X11.
[13:32] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: What error exactly? The X server one?
[13:32] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: ya
[13:32] <qw[Russian]> i am not understand all
[13:33] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: Because it cannot find the X server on :0.0 The enviroment variable tells it is there but appearently it isn't.
[13:33] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: try this "sudo nano opt/lampp/etc/extra/httpd-xampp.conf"
[13:33] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Nano is a cli text editor.
[13:33] <qw[Russian]> try  and ?
[13:33] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: just now he was working with the konsole and everthing was ok
[13:34] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: If you want to get into Linux servers (web, samba, etc) it is usefull to know your way around with the terminal (cli = command line interface = terminal)
[13:34] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: Hmm, odd. Perhaps he changed the variable somewhere?
[13:35] <qw[Russian]> how to me to open a notebook with the rights of root?
[13:35] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Use the command phoenix_firebrd showed you, sudo nano /opt/lampp/etc/extra/httpd-xampp.conf
[13:37] <qw[Russian]> started
[13:37] <qw[Russian]> but
[13:37] <qw[Russian]> (
[13:37] <qw[Russian]> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/xampp/
[13:37] <FloodBotK1> qw[Russian]: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:37] <qw[Russian]> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/phpmyadmin/
[13:37] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Now you need to find the error (syntax error) and fix it.
[13:38] <qw[Russian]> but i am go to phpmyadmin
[13:39] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Is the syntax error fixed? In other words is Apache running?
[13:39] <qw[Russian]> 2 - running
[13:40] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: you have to learn about apache server and how to configure, if you skip that , you will find difficulty if something goes wrong
[13:40] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Hmm well ok, than you should be able to go to phpmyadmin, with your browser go to http://<ip-of-server>/phpmyadmin
[13:41] <qw[Russian]> join http://<IP_ADDRESS>/phpmyadmin/
[13:41] <qw[Russian]> and see:
[13:41] <qw[Russian]> New XAMPP security concept:
[13:41] <qw[Russian]>
[13:41] <qw[Russian]> Access to the requested object is only available from the local network.
[13:41] <qw[Russian]>
[13:41] <qw[Russian]> This setting can be configured in the file "httpd-xampp.conf".
[13:41] <FloodBotK1> qw[Russian]: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:41] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: try this "<IP_ADDRESS>/phpmyadmin/"
[13:42] <qw[Russian]> 127=93
[13:42] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Euhmm no thanks. It is set to only allow requests from inside the network, so try whay phoenix_firebrd suggests.
[13:42] <qw[Russian]> NOTHING
[13:42] <qw[Russian]> I SEE this error
[13:42] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: No need to get angry.
[13:42] <qw[Russian]> sorry CapsLock )
[13:43] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Where is the Apache/Lampp/Xampp service running?
[13:43] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: On your current machine?
[13:43] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: Is this your ip http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ from where you trying to configure ?
[13:44] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: phoenix_firebrd:  yes yes
[13:44] <qw[Russian]> <IP_ADDRESS> is real ip
[13:45] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: So use what phoenix_firebrd says then, <IP_ADDRESS>/phpmyadmin
[13:45] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: [16:42:11]
[13:45] <nickyc> Where does man search for manpages if MANPATH is unset?
[13:45] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: does the config file contain user credentials ?
[13:46] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: Which config file?
[13:46] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: /opt/lampp/etc/extra/httpd-xampp.conf
[13:47] <nickyc> Ignore my question.
[13:47] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: I do not run a xampp server... but since it is the httpd (apache) config file I do not think so.
[13:48] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader:  have you seen this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwemr3IpmM  I feel i am in the same situation now
[13:49] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: Hehehe, I haven't seen it. Funny clip though.
[13:50] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: its very funny :D
[13:50] <qw[Russian]> (
[13:51] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: So what does phpmyadmin on localhost (<IP_ADDRESS>) show?
[13:52] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: http://pastebin.com/0u6N6KmV
[13:53] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: i found solution
[13:54] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11999371/access-to-the-requested-object-is-only-available-from-the-local-network-phpmyadm
[13:55] <qw[Russian]> okey
[13:55] <qw[Russian]> 1 minute
[13:55] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: use kate instead of vim or if you get that xserver error  use nano
[13:55] <lordievader> Somehow I'm starting to think downloading Apache + PHP + MySQL seperately is much easier...
[13:55] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Wasn't kate the one who threw the xserver error?
[13:55] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: ^
[13:56] <qw[Russian]> start is good
[13:56] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: My last message was for phoenix_firebrd, sorry.
[13:56] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: ya
[13:56] <qw[Russian]> but you you and i see one message =)
[13:56] <qw[Russian]> http://pastebin.com/EwD64U4y
[14:00] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: did you paste the edited httpd-xampp.conf or unedited one?
[14:00] <qw[Russian]> edit
[14:01] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: after editing did you restart the server?
[14:02] <qw[Russian]> yes
[14:02] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: whats happening now?
[14:03] <qw[Russian]> (
[14:03] <qw[Russian]> nothing
[14:06] <hanibana> hi. I'm using Kubuntu with nearly latest updates. In my system, after about 1 day uptime, plasma-desktop and ksysgaurd processes start to consume 89-90 % of cpu usage, and things become slow. What can be wrong with this?
[14:07] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: goto this line in the config file "<Directory "/opt/lampp/phpmyadmin">"
[14:08] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: after this " Allow from all" add the line "Require all granted"
[14:09] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]:  like this http://pastebin.com/n0Bh93Fj
[14:11] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: finished editing?
[14:11] <qw[Russian]> min
[14:11] <qw[Russian]> fin
[14:11] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: restart the server and check
[14:12] <BluesKaj> hanibana, it could be the desktop search in system settings (file indexer) and akonadi file server , which you may not need
[14:12] <BluesKaj> hanibana, desktop search aka nepomuk
[14:12] <qw[Russian]> phoenix_firebrd: i see: You have been problem connect from <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:13] <hanibana> BluesKaj: but, thay have not separate processes? they executed under plasma-desktop and ksysgaurd?
[14:13] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: in browser?
[14:13] <qw[Russian]> +1
[14:14] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]:  try this "http://localhost/phpmyadmin/"
[14:15] <hanibana> BluesKaj: btw, I had disabled file indexer (nepomuk), but, always using Kontact then akonadi.
[14:15] <BluesKaj> hanibana, I think they come under ksystem guard , since it's the system monitor
[14:15] <hanibana> BluesKaj: it's somewhat weird for me that why this happens just after 1 day...
[14:16] <BluesKaj> hanibana, have you updated and upgraded since your install ?
[14:16] <hanibana> BluesKaj: yes. about a week ago.
[14:17] <hanibana> hanibana: any log file or something to see what plasma-desktop currently doing?
[14:18] <hanibana> sorry! BluesKaj
[14:21] <qw[Russian]> phoenix_firebrd: (
[14:21] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: I have no more ideas
[14:21] <qw[Russian]> bad
[14:21] <qw[Russian]> okey thank
[14:22] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: I like putin
[14:22] <BluesKaj> hanibana, you should update/upgrade every few days , suggest you try now , just to be sure
[14:22] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: you are welcome
[14:22] <hanibana> BluesKaj: yes I am doing.
[14:22] <qw[Russian]> phoenix_firebrd: yu are speak russian ?
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: no
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: come to #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:16] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: instead of "Allow from all"   put "Allow from ::1 <IP_ADDRESS>"
[15:19] <qw[Russian]> phoenix_firebrd: this
[15:19] <qw[Russian]> phoenix_firebrd: Firefox can't establish connection with the server <IP_ADDRESS>.
[15:21] <lordievader> Euhmm you are both wrong localhost = <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:21] <lordievader> Unless you are talking about IPv6 then it is something else...'
[15:21] <qw[Russian]> phoenix_firebrd: yes refresh
[15:21] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: i dont use IPv6
[15:22] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: <IP_ADDRESS> it is then.
[15:22] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: also try <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:22] <qw[Russian]> 1 - join
[15:23] <qw[Russian]> but redirect from /xampp
[15:23] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: working?
[15:23] <qw[Russian]> +
[15:23] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: In that case the problem is solved
[15:24] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Still a good idea to run the security script.
[15:24] <qw[Russian]> phoenix_firebrd: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/xampp/
[15:24] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: for me access is denied
[15:24] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: were the secirity script ?
[15:25] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: No idea, long time ago that I used Xampp. I do know it is somewhere, check security in the control panel.
[15:26] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: phoenix_firebrd:  http://profile.at.ua/_ph/1/254626805.png
[15:26] <qw[Russian]> see
[15:27] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: It says so right there! /opt/lampp/lampp security
[15:27] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[15:28] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: isnt the owncloud better than this?
[15:28] <qw[Russian]> lordievader:  http://profile.at.ua/_ph/1/933775176.png were ?
[15:29] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: run this command "/opt/lampp/lampp security"
[15:29] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Run the command from the terminal... (the first thing you need to think when you hear server is terminal)
[15:29] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: What do you mean with owncload?
[15:29] <qw[Russian]> omg
[15:29] <lordievader> owncloud*
[15:29] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: What?!?
[15:30] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Do you want my help or not?
[15:30] <qw[Russian]> http://profile.at.ua/_ph/1/25129134.png
[15:31] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: I mean for personal use
[15:31] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: I'm not following.
[15:31] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: nothing
[15:31] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Do as it says...
[15:33] <qw[Russian]> http://profile.at.ua/_ph/1/920494004.png
[15:35] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: thats all, restart the server and check
[15:35] <qw[Russian]> done
[15:36] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: photo?
[15:36] <qw[Russian]> ?
[15:36] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]:  new http://profile.at.ua/_ph/1/920494004.png
[15:37] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: sorry
[15:37] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]:  new http://profile.at.ua/_ph/1/254626805.png
[15:37] <qw[Russian]> but site say: write login and pass
[15:37] <qw[Russian]> question: what is login ?
[15:37] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: ya, put the username and password that you set now
[15:38] <qw[Russian]> phoenix_firebrd: but i am set only pass
[15:38] <qw[Russian]> user: lampp
[15:38] <qw[Russian]> )
[15:38] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: ya
[15:40] <qw[Russian]> but the task was not in protection and in redirect with xampp on index.php
[15:41] <ikonia> xampp, and there is your mistake
[15:41] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: do you see this http://profile.at.ua/_ph/1/254626805.png
[15:41] <qw[Russian]> yes
[15:41] <ikonia> why are you using xampp and not a standard lamp stack ?
[15:43] <qw[Russian]> phoenix_firebrd:  http://profile.at.ua/_ph/1/869579471.png
[15:43] <lordievader> Hmm does xampp no longer supply a mail server?
[15:43] <ikonia> why are you using xampp and not a standard lamp stack ?
[15:44] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: that all
[15:44] <ana_> i have a question. Will anything be done in 12.10 with font reset bug when changing wallpaper or other things in apperance?
[15:45] <ikonia> ana_: is there a bug logged ?
[15:45] <ana_> yea, since 2010
[15:45] <ikonia> ana_: ok, so track the bug, if you see fix for 12.10, then "yes"
[15:45] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: bug number or link?
[15:46] <ana_> 1sec ill look for the number of bug
[15:48] <qw[Russian]> what set chnod 777 ?
[15:48] <qw[Russian]> chmod*
[15:49] <qw[Russian]> 0777*
[15:49] <ana_> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?56517-workaround-font-size-keeps-resetting its the forum thread about it and bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=256519 and sometimes it triggers even without reboot, just changing wallpaper or other thing in apperance
[15:49] <ana_> i heard its related to kubuntu as in other distros it doesnt happen
[15:49] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: With your webserver you shouldn't do that. Makes it rwx to each and everyone.
[15:49] <qw[Russian]> what ?
[15:50] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Read up on Linux permissions.
[15:50] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: what is your distro version and kde version
[15:50] <ana_> kubuntu 12.04 with default kde its shipped with
[15:50] <ana_> on chakra it doesnt happen
[15:51] <ana_> of course to see that bug you must first change global kde fonts
[15:51] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: does this happen in a fresh install?
[15:51] <ana_> for example set it to sans 11, change wallpaper, reboot and bang you have ubuntu 9 everywhere
[15:51] <qw[Russian]> Fatal Error:Directory ../ can't writen in,please chmod to 0777
[15:52] <ana_> well fresh install fully updated
[15:52] <ana_> nothing installed and tweaked basically
[15:52] <ikonia> qw[Russian]: why are you not using a LAMP stack ?
[15:52] <ikonia> qw[Russian]: why are you using xampp that is nothing to do with kubuntu
[15:52] <qw[Russian]> no
[15:53] <ikonia> qw[Russian]: I asked "why" you are not using a normal supported lamp stack
[15:53] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: This didn't happen for me in 12.04 , i changed the ubuntu font to oxygen and it remained the same
[15:53] <ana_> did you change wallpaper after changing font?
[15:53] <ana_> it remains the same for me unless i change wallpaper
[15:54] <qw[Russian]> ikonia: because this my first install xampp abiut kubuntu
[15:54] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Maybe it is a good idea to read a lot about Linux and Servers before you start using/operating one.
[15:54] <qw[Russian]> about*
[15:54] <ikonia> qw[Russian]: ok - so don't use xampp
[15:54] <ikonia> qw[Russian]: it's a self contained software package
[15:54] <ikonia> qw[Russian]: there is a fully supported lamp stack on ubuntu
[15:54] <ikonia> !lamp | qw[Russian]
[15:54] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: I am using kubuntu 12.10 beta 1 with kde 4.1, i will check it now
[15:54] <ana_> okay thanks
[15:54] <qw[Russian]> ikonia: where you were (and) earlier?
[15:55] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: do i have to restart after changing the wallpaper?
[15:55] <ana_> yes
[15:55] <ikonia> qw[Russian]: pardon ?
[15:55] <ana_> just log out maybe
[15:55] <qw[Russian]> тщерштп
[15:55] <qw[Russian]> nothing
[15:56] <ikonia> qw[Russian]: I'd strongly suggest you use the lamp stack that ubuntu actually supports
[15:56] <ikonia> xampp is nothing to do with ubuntu and outside ubuntu's control
[15:56] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: i better restart
[15:56] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: i changed the font for general to droid sans, it it ok?
[15:57] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: i changed the font for general to droid sans, is it ok?
[15:57] <ana_> yes
[15:57] <ana_> and see if it still is droid sans after reboot
[15:58] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: changed the wallpaper and the font remains the same, i will restart now, will be back after that
[15:59] <lordievader> ana_: Just as a heads-up, I use a non standard font and I have none of the problems you are describing.
[15:59] <ana_> okay so i dont know whats the reason, maybe i will just install 12.10 beta
[16:00] <lordievader> ana_: Try a fresh install in a VM or something and test to see if it the problem persists.
[16:00] <ana_> ok]
[16:00] <qw[Russian]> oh
[16:00]  * lordievader time to get some food, bye.
[16:01] <ana_> ill wait for phoenix feedback though
[16:01] <qw[Russian]> phoenix_firebrd: please see http://<IP_ADDRESS>/index.php
[16:02] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: After the restart i checked and the font remains as droid sans , the one i set
[16:02] <ana_> okay so its something with my install i guess
[16:02] <ana_> ill do fresh install 12.10 beta
[16:02] <ikonia> qw[Russian]: the correct channel for xampp support is #xampp
[16:02] <ikonia> qw[Russian]: xampp is nothing to do with ubuntu, it's a self contained package, please take it to the #xampp channel
[16:02] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: possibly old config or config file permissions causing problems
[16:03] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: wait
[16:03] <ana_> ok
[16:03] <phoenix_firebrd> ana_: try with a new user
[16:03] <ana_> well it was install on freshly formatted hdd so no old config
[16:03] <ana_> okay i will
[16:04] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: seeing
[16:04] <phoenix_firebrd> qw[Russian]: as i told you earlier, i am not good at networking
[16:05] <qw[Russian]> =)
[16:44] <Daskreech> !info pinta
[16:44] <Peace-> pinta is qt?
[16:46] <Daskreech> Peace-: dunno
[16:46] <Peace-> koulourpaint
[16:46] <Peace-> is like paint in window
[16:47] <Daskreech> Yeah I know
[16:48] <Daskreech> dotnet it looks like
[17:28] <lordievader> Good evening
[17:30] <Daskreech> HI
[17:30] <lordievader> Hey Daskreech, how are you?
[17:30] <Daskreech> I'm sick :) How are you?
[17:31] <lordievader> Daskreech: That doesn't sound good. I'm doing good.
[17:32] <Daskreech> It's fine I'll live most likely. Unless I die
[17:33] <lordievader> Daskreech: That are usually the options... unless you count zombie and what not.
[17:33] <Daskreech> Well zombie really doesn't sound good.
[17:33] <Daskreech> kill -9 and all that
[18:10] <Mailman> Hello, I am a relatively new Ububtu user. I just added the Kubuntu desktop to my existing Ubuntu to try it out and I have a few questions. First, in gnome I was able to hold down the super key to get a list of helpful hotkeys. This does not seem to work in Kubuntu. Is there a list of hotkeys somewhere?
[18:15] <genii-around> Mailman: System Settings...Shortcuts and Gestures...Standard Keyboard Shutcuts (in the left tab)   has a list.
[18:32] <valentin__> HELLO C:
[18:33] <lordievader> Hey valentin__, how are you today?
[18:33] <valentin__> Hey lordievader, i'm fine and you ?
[18:40] <lordievader> valentin__: I'm doing all right, thank you for asking.
[18:41] <Mailman> Okay, second question. I can't seem to adjust the volume anymore. Neither using the volume keys nor adjusting the volume bar work at all. Is there any way to fix this?
[18:41] <lordievader> Mailman: Is kmix running?
[18:42] <valentin__> lordievader : Do you know any programming language ?
[18:43] <lordievader> valentin__: I have some experience, yes.
[18:43] <valentin__> Which language(s) ?
[18:44] <lordievader> valentin__: Mostly web (html, php), bit of java, c. And I like bash scripting. Why?
[18:45] <Mailman> lordievader: It appears to be, yes.
[18:46] <lordievader> Mailman: Is rebooting an option, of have you done so already?
[18:47] <valentin__> lordievader : I see, I know both java/ JS and both C/C++ too
[18:47] <Mailman> I have already done so.
[18:47] <valentin__> I'd need to learn web ones :)
[18:47] <lordievader> valentin__: Why are you asking anyhow?
[18:47] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[18:47] <lordievader> Look at that fireworks!
[18:47] <valentin__> That was beautiful
[18:47] <lordievader> Mailman: Hmm, that is annoying. Does alsamixer still work?
[18:47] <valentin__> It seems that, some people left.
[18:48] <lordievader> valentin__: Just a netsplit.
[18:48] <valentin__> I know
[18:50] <Mailman> I don't know. How do I check?
[18:51] <lordievader> Mailman: Open a terminal (konsole) and run the command alsamixer.
[18:52] <DrCode> hi all
[18:52] <lordievader> Hey DrCode how are you?
[18:52] <DrCode> thank you
[18:54] <Mailman> Well, that did something. I have a box labeled AlsaMixer v1.0.25 now.
[18:54] <lordievader> Mailman: Yes, but can you change the volume there?
[18:55] <genii-around> !test
[18:56] <Mailman> I cannot.
[18:57] <lordievader> Is BluesKaj around?
[18:57] <darren> Hello everyone.
[18:58] <lordievader> Mailman: Hmm, that is strange did you make any recent changes to your audio settings?
[18:58] <BluesKaj> lordievader, yes , I'm here , got disconn'd for a min
[18:58] <Mailman> Nope.
[18:59] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Ah I see, maybe you can help Mailman. He got a problem, he cannot change the volume, not in kmix or alsamixer.
[19:01] <DarthFrog> Mailman:  How many sound cards do you have in your system?  Do you have both a sound card and HDMI?  Is the correct output device set in pulseaudio?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> Mailman, the arrow keys , up down don't work in kmix or alsamixer?
[19:04] <Mailman> Yes, I seem to have both a sound card and HDMI.
[19:05] <DarthFrog> I'll bet that the wrong output device is being used by Kmix.
[19:05] <Mailman> Switching to the sound card as master channel in the mixer appears to have solved the problem.
[19:07] <BluesKaj> mailman you can still use the HDMI to use the onboard audio to another dvice like a tv or audio receiver , if needed
[19:09] <BluesKaj> Mailman, you can set that up in pavucontrol , if you have it installed
[19:09] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: That doesn't make sense. :-)
[19:09] <DarthFrog> Use HDMI to use onboard audio???
[19:09] <DarthFrog> Perhaps I'm just dense.
[19:11] <BluesKaj> yes DarthFrog , I have a dvi connection that can use my onboard soundcard to tranmit  audio to my tv hdmi along with the video of course
[19:12] <DarthFrog> Ah, now I see.   that makes sense, to the dense. :-)
[19:14] <BluesKaj> thne i can loop it back from the tv audio digital out to the audio receiver for better sound than my crappy tv speakers can provide
[19:16] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: On my MythTV box, I'm using on-board HDMI to feed my DVI connection on my TV.  Sound goes via on-board optical SP/DIF to my stereo receiver.
[19:16] <DarthFrog> Using Mythbuntu for that frontend machine.
[19:17] <DarthFrog> It's running off an 8 GB USB thumbdrive.
[19:18] <BluesKaj> yeah , DarthFrog , I do the same with my main spdif audio connection, but it's nice to know I have a backup thru the hdmi whaich i actually discovered by accidenrt , seeing that most dvi connecters don't carry audio
[19:20] <valentin__> ./kick lordievader
[19:21] <lordievader>  valentin__ What?
[19:21] <BluesKaj> Installed a m-audio pci soundard for it's sound quality when I had speakers connected to this pc , but it's now a basic HTPC connected to a plasma tv and audio receiver
[19:23] <lordievader> valentin__: Why do you wish me gone?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> guess if i lived in a "metro area" with OTA signals I would install mythtv and a decent tuner card , DarthFrog
[19:25] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: You don't need OTA for Myth.  I have 3 digital cable  boxes feeding 3 Hauppauge tuner cards in my Myth backend machine.
[19:25] <BluesKaj> we lost our CBC OTA signal here back in August , now we have one analog CTV channel and no digitals at all , so Sat and cable are the only options
[19:28] <BluesKaj> why the tuner cards if you have cable boxes , DarthFrog ?
[19:29] <DarthFrog> The digital boxes provide composite output (or S-Video or RF).  It needs to be converted to MPEG via the tuner card.
[19:31] <BluesKaj> limited inputs on the TV , i assume
[19:31] <DarthFrog> I'm thinking of replacing the tuner cards with Hauppauge HD-PVR boxes and the digital terminals with HD terminals so that I can record HD with Myth.  But that's around $400 per tuner.  Ouch.
[19:32] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  Nothing to do with the TV whatsoever.  AAMOF, that backend box isn't attached to a TV.  It feeds a frontend box in my living room via ethernet.
[19:34] <BluesKaj> yup , there is one hauppage box can handle RGB and component HD video afaik , Im was considering it as a pvr backup , in case my sat pvr died
[19:39] <valentin__> lordievader:  I was kidding no worry :P
[19:39] <valentin__> well,  I need to go so cya everyone !
[19:50] <Mailman> Is there somewhere I can find more information on the Netbook workspace?
[19:53] <joan> Hi, any news for the ugly bug that affects CUPS?
[19:54] <ikonia> joan: check the bug report
[19:55] <joan> how?
[19:56] <IdleOne> joan: on launchpad.net
[20:15] <marcdjay_> What programs would people recommend for managing an iPod?
[20:17] <genii-around> Heh, rockbox comes to mind ( kidding )
[20:19] <Mailman> Is there somewhere I can find more information on the Netbook workspace?
[20:19] <marcdjay_> haha genii-around
[20:22] <genii-around> Mailman: Basically if you have plasma-netbook installed you can choose it (or plasma-desktop)  as your main interface from System Settings...Workspace Behavior ... Workspace
[20:23] <genii-around> Mailman: There is an overview at http://www.kde.org/workspaces/plasmanetbook/
[20:24] <genii-around> !ipod
[20:26] <marcdjay_> muchos gracias genii-around. Was looking at Rockbox, but my daughter likes my iPod. When she gets her own I might have to void the warranty :D
[20:28] <lordievader> marcdjay_: Supposedly Clementine/Amarok should be able to write to a non-jailbroken iDevice.
[20:30] <marcdjay_> I don't think Kubuntu is recognising my iPod properly. It's showing up as "Portable Media Player" in devices, but none of my music players have picked it up. Am i missing something obvious here?
[20:33] <joan> thanks, IdleOne . BTW, I can't believe that CUPS is such a troublesome software that breaks at every upgrade of the distro.  Argh!
[20:34] <genii-around> Ironically Apple owns CUPS now.
[20:34] <marcdjay_> That explains a lot really
[20:35] <lordievader> marcdjay_: There are a few libraries it needs to communicate... But I forgot what library it was, sorry.
[20:36] <marcdjay_> no worries. 'm sure a Google hunt will turn something up
[20:36] <OerHeks> Apple owns cups ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS
[20:36] <lordievader> marcdjay_: Maybe this helps: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1770199
[20:39] <genii-around> OerHeks: They took it over a while ago now. If you go to their main page http://www.cups.org/ it even says "developed by Apple Inc. " which is slightly untrue.
[20:42] <OerHeks> ah, i was asuming GNU General Public License, GNU Lesser General Public License, with proprietary exceptions = free ... they own a bit of that last part, i think
[20:43] <marcdjay_> unfortunately not lordievader
[20:43] <marcdjay_> shows up in my lsusb as an Apple device but thats about it
[20:50] <genii-around> marcdjay_: When you unplug/replug it  and then check: dmesg | tail     is it recognising as some mass storage device and giving it a designation like sdc sdd or something similar?
[20:52] <marcdjay_> nope.  Realised it's due to issues with iOS 5 :s
[22:23] <Prideth> hi
[22:24] <Prideth> can anybody help me?
[22:25] <Prideth> I reinstalled kubuntu after several problems and now after I start it I can not do anything because it is so slow that even staring the shell takes about 10 minutes
[22:27] <Prideth> anybody here? jemand da?
[22:28] <Prideth> can anybody help me?
[22:29] <genii-around> Prideth: Are your hardware specs beefy enough to run kubuntu comfortably?
[22:30] <Prideth> bevor I reinstalled it, it had run very fast
[22:31] <Prideth> so it can not be the hardware, maybe a bug, but I can not update
[22:33] <Prideth> I had the same problem earlier and there it was akonadi that always needed 100% CPU, so I had do kill akonadi every reboot. After some updates this problem was fixed, but now after I reinstalled kubuntu 10.04 LTS, I have the same problem again
[22:36] <vonkleist> once yo manage to open a terminal, can you run a "top" command?
[22:37] <Prideth> yeah but it is so slow that top do not update itself, so it says that nothing has more that 4% CPU usage
[22:40] <vonkleist> issue a "free -m" command and pastebin results
[22:40] <vonkleist> maybe a "uptime; free -m" command is fine
[22:41] <Prideth> it was short after I reinstalled it
[22:41] <Prideth> even at the first start
[22:43] <vonkleist> what was short?
[22:44] <Prideth> yeah
[22:45] <vonkleist> uh?
[22:45] <vonkleist> can u run the uptime; free -m commands?
[22:46] <Prideth> I have to try but it can take minutes until I can start the terminal^^
[22:46] <Prideth> so I have to restart, because it is the same computer I am writing from now
[22:47] <avihay> maybe it's the desktop effects? I think the default shortcut to disable them is ctrl+F12 or something like that
[22:48] <Prideth> I do not think so, bevor I had activated more and now I only have the standart ( after installation)
[22:52] <Prideth_> I hope I get it to work again
[23:00] <Prideth_> :(
[23:12] <Prideth> What should I do?
[23:22] <vonkleist> Can't you do what I suggested?
[23:22] <vonkleist> That slow?
[23:22] <vonkleist> what if u press ctrl-alt-f1 and then try to login?
[23:22] <vonkleist> still too slow?
[23:23] <vonkleist> if u press that, you must press ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to GUI
[23:23] <Prideth> Login works fast but after that everything is strange
[23:24] <Prideth> That works and fast...
[23:25] <Prideth> Ok what New?
[23:25] <Prideth> Now
[23:27] <vonkleist> what if you issue uptime and then free -m ?
[23:28] <Prideth> I try wait
[23:29] <Prideth> Up 35 minutes, 3 users, load average : 0.31, 0.28, 0.27
[23:31] <Prideth> Mem total 3919 used 1423. Swao total 8582 used 0
[23:34] <Prideth> So what now?
[23:41] <Prideth> Up 35 minutes, 3 users, load average : 0.31, 0.28, 0.27
[23:42] <Prideth> Mem total 3919 used 1423. Swao total 8582 used 0
[23:44] <Scunizi_> I had a snafu and ended up uninstalling LibreOffice (current from site) and reverting back to the older repo version.  Now the save dialogue is GTK based and ugly.  How do I get the pretty kde decorations back for it?
[23:45] <vonkleist> prideth, your system looks good...
[23:45] <vonkleist> no overload at all
[23:46] <Prideth> Yeah it worked bevor but where is the Problem?^^
[23:46] <vonkleist> if you go back to KDE, is it actually slow?
[23:47] <Prideth> The strange thing is i can not see what I am writing in the terminal because it will not update. It only updates every time I click in the kubuntu Start button. Strange?
[23:47] <Prideth> Yeah
[23:48] <vonkleist> Well, it looks like if there's something wrong with your graphic card
[23:48] <Scunizi_> Prideth: do you have the propriatary video driver installed (ie. nvidia)?
[23:48] <vonkleist> did you disable graphical effects?
[23:48] <Scunizi_> that too.
[23:49] <Prideth> I installed kubuntu and did not do anything else
[23:49] <Scunizi_> Prideth: do you have an nvidia card?
[23:50] <Prideth> Say what I should do. I will do anything to geht it work again
[23:50] <Prideth> Yeah
[23:50] <vonkleist> Well, that's a good idea :P
[23:50] <Scunizi_> Have you done all the updates after the installation?
[23:51] <vonkleist> I got a question... why are you on 10.04?
[23:51] <Scunizi_> eh?
[23:51] <vonkleist> Prideth is running 10.04LTS
[23:51] <Prideth> I habe done nothing because after restart it was like this
[23:52] <Prideth> No 12.04 LTS
[23:52] <vonkleist> Oh
[23:52] <vonkleist> before you said you were on 10.04
[23:52] <vonkleist> 12.04 is fine
[23:52] <vonkleist> try disabling desktop effects
[23:52] <vonkleist> Default shortcut for disabling desktop effects is Alt-Shift-f12.
[23:52] <Prideth> Yeah I tipped wrong^^
[23:52] <vonkleist> well... actually that's the shortcut for switching between enable/disable
[23:53] <Prideth> Now I have a Black screen
[23:54] <Prideth> With a cursor blinking but Nothing happens
[23:54] <Scunizi_> Sounds like he did a ctrl+alt+f12
[23:55] <Scunizi_> Prideth: try a ctrl+alt+F7 and see if the desktop returns
[23:55] <Prideth> Yeah but slow as bevor
[23:55] <Prideth> Nothing changed
[23:56] <Scunizi_> Ok.. now try ALT + SHIFT + F12 .. not ctrl+alt+f12
[23:57] <Prideth> Ok after pressing it 10 times something happend
[23:57] <Scunizi_> was that something good or bad
[23:57] <Prideth> Now it is faster
[23:57] <Scunizi_> ok.. do you know what kind of video card you have?
[23:58] <Prideth> But how can I Make it fast and look gold linke bevore?
[23:58] <Prideth> Nvidia
[23:59] <Prideth> I think 6200


[23:46] <Kris> Good evening documentation team, I'm needing to ask a quick questioN!
[23:49] <pleia2> welcome Kris
[23:50] <Kris> pleia2: Hello there
[23:50] <pleia2> feel free to go ahead and ask, if anyone can help they will (otherwise the mailing list is best, since we're in all different timezones)
[23:52] <Kris> I've became the TL of the Lubuntu Communications team, decided to edit some of the Wiki pages. Signed in with my Launchpad account and followed the Wiki How to and creating new pages guide. Wasn't able to do it so called on help from my good friend Phill Whitesise whos sent me here. I simply get the error 'you can't edit this page. I am logged in and have validated my email. Any ideas? Am I doing something silly?
[23:53] <pleia2> Kris: is this at wiki.ubuntu.com or help.ubuntu.com ?
[23:53] <Kris> wiki.ubuntu.com
[23:53] <pleia2> so the documentation team handles stuff on help.ubuntu.com, but I can try to help :)
[23:53] <pleia2> when do you get the "f the Wiki pages. Signed in with my Launchpad account and followed the Wiki How to and creating new pages guide. Wasn't able to do it so called on help from my good friend Phill  Whitesise whos sent me here. I simply get the error '
[23:53] <pleia2> oops
[23:53] <pleia2> when do you get the "you can't edit this page" error?
[23:55] <Kris> Well I used the macro on the create a new page guide, after entering my selected page name it simply tells me I can't edit the page. Or if I visit wiki.ubuntu.com/mypagename it'll let me select a template but then locks me out
[23:56] <pleia2> so that's the error I get when I'm not logged in
[23:56] <pleia2> under the big orange ubuntu header, do you see your id?
[23:56] <Kris> I assure you I'm logged in, I thought I was going crazy. Cleared the history and cache etc. Yes I'm there right now and have the 'logout' link rather than log in
[23:57] <Kris> Do you mind if I share a link to my screenshot?
[23:57] <pleia2> ok, you may need to submit a ticket with Canonical (they run that wiki) to look into it
[23:57] <pleia2> have you edited other pages?
[23:58] <Kris> No, I can't edit or create
[23:58] <pleia2> I think they have anti-spam mechanisms so new people might not be able to create pages immediately, but again we just do help.ubuntu.com here and the wiki is different
[23:58] <phillw> pleia2: thanks, I was also at my wits end... I'd tried every solution I knew of
[23:58] <pleia2> to submit a ticket with Canonical IS you email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:58] <pleia2> give the same details as you gave to me, and probably want to give a link to the screenshot
[23:59] <pleia2> the canonical sysadmins hang out in #canonical-sysadmin but they won't take action on things without a ticket number (and it's quite late in the day to catch any of them anyway)


[00:23] <Perigee> Anyone have recommendations for syncing OneDrive or Amazon Drive?
[00:37] <Unit193> Only thing I know of is rclone.
[00:38] <Unit193> !info rclone zesty
[00:38] <Unit193> 0_o
[00:38] <Unit193> Well, it's in Debian..
[00:43] <Perigee> Unit193: Ah ok, so it's a manual command
[00:43] <Perigee> not a daemon-like sync
[00:43] <Unit193> Experimental support for fuse at least.
[00:43] <Unit193> Note, I've never (yet) used it.
[00:44] <Unit193> !info onedrive zesty
[01:03] <Perigee> Unit193: So I found this, already got it setup and running. Seems awesome so far. Would be nice if they had a ppa, but hey setup was easy at least. https://github.com/xybu/onedrived-dev
[01:13] <Perigee> Whoa, nfs-common isn't pre-installed? Did all the kids switch to CIFS or something?
[01:15] <bazhang> Perigee, is there something blocking your install of it?
[01:16] <Perigee> bazhang: No, just surprised it isn't already there
[01:16] <bazhang> they dropped many things, some of them more useful even
[01:16] <Perigee> Although I suppose for the "average Joe", they'd most likely use CIFS
[01:17] <bazhang> samba yeah
[02:11] <Perigee> Anyone remember how to turn off the Applications menu from showing when right clicking the desktop? I know I saw it somewhere
[02:14] <Perigee> Hah found it
[03:52] <adrian_1908> does anyone here have experience with `ssh-agent` and getting it to remember entered passwords? I connect via `shh user@host` and get queried for a password, which i would like to have remembered for the desktop session.
[03:53] <adrian_1908> (the password is for my private key, not for the remote login itself)
[13:05] <tsglove> Hey guys, how would I fix this?:::  I have dual monitors.  The "task bar" of xfce I placed it vertical, on the left side of the screen.   On the main monitor, everything is perfect.  Yet on the second monitor, a maximized window has part "underneath" the vertical taskbar.
[13:05] <tsglove> Any idea how I could fix this?  So a maximized window on the 2nd monitor "snaps up to" the task bar, instead of going underneath?
[15:32] <ToxicWizard> Greetings
[15:37] <digbychicken> Hello
[16:03] <xubuntu65d> bluetooth netbook problems
[17:46] <ToxicWizard> Is there a way to increase the window border size to facilitate window resizing? I have to get my cursor to within one single pixel just to resize a window
[18:02] <xangua> So use another window theme?
[19:30] <knome> xangua, tbh, the better answer to that is this article, which gives a suitable alternative method for almost all of the people: http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[21:01] <digbychicken> knome: Thanks for posting that. I've been using XFCE for awhile and didn't know about Alt-right click-drag.
[21:01] <digbychicken> Much easier.
[21:01] <knome> digbychicken, no problem :)


[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[17:02] <genii> belkinsa: I toned down the purple somewhat. Hopefully it's not hurtful to the eyes now.
[17:06] <BobJonkman> Very colour! Much Purple! Wow!
[17:07] <BobDoge> I am amaze.


[01:04] <iandotcom> hey everyone
[01:06] <cody-somerville> hi
[01:13] <iandotcom> i asked this question on the forums, whats the difference between help.ubuntu.com/community and wiki.ubuntu.com?
[01:14] <iandotcom> i'm not sure which one i should be adding stuff to
[01:15] <Flannel> iandotcom: help is for "support" sorts of things, wiki is for organizational stuff
[01:16] <Flannel> most (if not all) of the wiki.u.c support-ish/helpish pages have been moved (and redirect) to their new versions on h.u.c
[01:18] <iandotcom> @Flannel: sweet, cheers :)
[01:24] <iandotcom> one more thing, my name on my wiki account is "Ian263", is there any way to change that so it appears as a proper wikiname like "IanHutchinson"
[01:25] <Flannel> You may be able to change your wiki account, I'm not really sure.  It'd have to be done through people, not through the wiki.
[01:26] <iandotcom> any pointers on who i would go to?
[01:33] <bimberi> iandotcom: Change your WikiName at your Launchpad page - click on Update Wiki Names
[01:42] <iandotcom> cheers bimberi
[05:20] <cody-somerville> hi nixternal
[05:25] <nixternal> wasabi homeskillet
[05:26] <cody-somerville> nixternal, so I'm not the only one not overly pleased? lol
[05:26] <nixternal> not by the least bit
[05:26] <nixternal> and I think I forgot to CC everyone and their mother in that response
[05:28] <cody-somerville> ah, yes.
[05:28] <cody-somerville> You only sent it to our council list
[05:30] <nixternal> there, now everyone will get a copy :)
[16:03] <ikonia> Pici: #ubuntu-doc - not #ubuntu-docs
[16:03] <Pici> ikonia: I did say -doc
[16:03] <fde> Pici: Guess I typed it wrong...
[16:03] <Pici> fde: I figured ;)
[16:04] <ikonia> ooh
[16:04] <ikonia> Pici: so you did
[16:04] <fde> Ok... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto this page describes how to hold a package, not pin one... it's different... pinning is described here: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning
[16:05] <fde> I can change the latter to better fit Ubuntu, but how would I go about renaming for former so that info isn't lost entirely?
[16:08] <fde> Any suggestions or pointers on how to go about doing that?
[16:11] <fde> (for those that don't know, pinning is the process that allows you to select from one version while maintaining a previous... holding keeps the current version always, so you can see they are vastly different)
[16:12] <fde> It is super seeded by backports in almost all cases these days, but it is still misleading to call holding a package pinning it.
[16:13] <ompaul> you can pin to an older version if that is your want
[16:14] <ompaul> so pinning is still an option
[16:14] <fde> ompaul: Sure, but it's not the same as holding... the Ubuntu's wiki calls the holding howto "PinningHowto"
[16:15] <fde> ompaul: Please take a look at the links I provided....
[16:16] <ompaul> fde, point
[16:16] <ompaul> I had not looked
[16:16] <fde> ompaul: So I would I rename PinningHowto to AptHoldHowto or something similar, and replace PinningHowto with the correct info?
[16:17] <fde> so how*
[16:17] <ompaul> the likes of mdke would be an authority on the correct process for this
[16:17] <ompaul> however he is marked away at this time
[16:18] <fde> ompaul: So try back later?
[16:19] <fde> ompaul: Or is it likely he'll see this and respond?  :P
[16:19] <ompaul> hang around as long as you can is my suggestion
[16:20] <fde> Will do.
[18:29]  * MatthewV is Away, Reason: ( bed time for me Zzzzz.. ) | Since: ( Friday, May 30, 2008. 20:22:14 ) Xlack v2.1
[20:18] <fde> mdke: ping
[20:18] <mdke> fde: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[20:19] <fde> mdke: Related to renaming a wiki page that is incorrect, please /msg me when you're around, thank you.


[07:14] <ShellcatZero> Out of an interest in bringing LTS up to date, I've been going through the packaging tutorial/example docs and I was just wondering how one creates an installable iso from there to test changes from. If there are some other relevant tutorials to go over, please share!
[17:49] <wxl> ShellcatZero: i would advise putting your updated package in a ppa, getting a fresh iso and running it in a vm, installing the package, and there you go
[17:49] <wxl> ShellcatZero: the release team is extremely unlikely to issue new iso versions for any arbitrary fix, so i would assume that's not going to happen
[18:21] <ShellcatZero> wxl: Thanks, will-do. Can you provide any documentation or description of how to generate the iso following the packaging procedure in the tutorial? The only documentation I seem to find is iso-remastering, which isn't very helpful.
[18:25] <wxl> ShellcatZero: what i'm saying is that's a lot of work for little value. also, we don't generate the iso. the ubuntu infrastructure does.
[18:27] <wxl> ShellcatZero: packaging really has nothing to do with the iso. at the very least they're not directly related.
[18:52] <ShellcatZero> wxl: Got it, I'll research the iso-build process a bit more before giving up on it then. In an ideal world you would like every Ubuntu version that hasn't reached EOL running the latest LXQt version, yes?
[18:59] <wxl> ShellcatZero: i mean, maybe in an ideal world, but that's not really how non-rolling release distros work. you have to get over the hurdle of stable release update requirements which is a rather big one, especially for an entire desktop environment. also, were such a thing to be implemented, it would NOT involve a new iso, so i'd stop worrying about the whole iso thing.
[19:04] <kc2bez[m]> I'll add a little bit to SRUs, they aren't intended to provide new versions, only bug fixes. Most of the time that means pulling in a commit or 2 as a patch to the current package. New application versions go in new releases.
[19:14] <wxl> Eickmeyer[m]: re: bug 1898501 what sort of issues are you experiencing? we should have no geoip issues except ones that may relate to our little automirror module which is still using the old methodology
[19:15] <ShellcatZero> wxl: The big reason I would be interested in generating an iso would be to address those issues in Calamares, which, depending on your use-case, is an immediate show-stopper for adoption, as it requires (at minimum) some script to fix the issue that breaks /etc/sudoers, and the lack of ZFS support notwithstanding. I was also going to test some build/config scripts using LTS server as the base media to
[19:15] <ShellcatZero> circumvent stock Lubuntu iso installs, but haven't gotten there yet.
[19:18] <wxl> ShellcatZero: you can reconfigure it in situ.
[19:19] <wxl> ShellcatZero: zfs is a big issue problem that i'm not going to sweat too much. what is this "breaking" of sudoers though? where's the bug?
[19:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> wxl: Another bug was commented as a possible duplicate of it, but it's exactly the same issue as I have with being in North Idaho and being assumed to be in the wrong time zone. Narrowed it down to geoipdb.
[19:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> The geo IP we were using before with Calamares did it correctly, Canonical's geoIP server does it wrong.
[19:25] <wxl> Eickmeyer[m]: does it give you new york?
[19:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> wxl: No, it gives me Denver. Should be Los Angeles.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just points to a systemic problem.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> I was merely triaging that one as a possible GeoIP issue.
[19:27] <wxl> the default should be new york so that suggests it is indeed an issue with the server
[19:27] <wxl> that bug is more about doing json parsing correctly
[19:28] <wxl> technically canonical doesn't even serve json so that's probably not the right bugh
[19:29] <ShellcatZero> wxl: The /etc/sudoers issue has multiple threads online, but it appears that the installer is leaving /etc/sudoers.d/10-installer as an artifact post-install, which can override your changes to /etc/sudoers unless it is deleted. Fixes and threads:
[19:30] <ShellcatZero> https://askubuntu.com/questions/100051/why-is-sudoers-nopasswd-option-not-working/1294589#1294589, https://forum.kaosx.us/d/1502-trouble-with-etc-sudoers-d-10-installer-i-think
[19:30] <wxl> ShellcatZero: i mean a bug report.
[19:32] <ShellcatZero> wxl: https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/613
[19:34] <wxl> ShellcatZero: no one's going to pay attention to a bug from 2017 that's closed
[19:35] <wxl> in any case, i'd try the fix suggested
[19:35] <wxl> if it works, it's pretty trivial to fix in calamares-settings-ubuntu
[19:36] <ShellcatZero> wxl: My assumption was that an affected version of Calamares was used for Lubuntu 20.04
[19:37] <ShellcatZero> wxl: I'll take your advice and though and do some experimentation, thanks.
[19:37] <wxl> ShellcatZero: that's an unsafe assumption


[00:25] <grotek> hy there outa space :)
[01:58] <psusi> is there not a livecd build of ubuntu-studio?  I can only find the alternate installer
[02:04] <ailo> psusi, Not yet. Hopefully there will be one in the future.


 @Bharatwaj.S [https://www.xda-developers.com/pro1-x/], 😍
[02:29] <ubptgbot> Chayan_H was added by: Chayan_H
 @DrLeeB [thanks — I guess if you already have a cloud gaming platform you know what they …], i think he's talking about xcloud stadia, steam link and the like
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 I'm making instalation ubuntu touch in the LG K10 (M250)
 But not select device
 Help ?
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 @PauloAndrePMP [<reply to media>], Of course I did.
 @Pablo [Of course I did.], what?
 @PauloAndrePMP [I'm making instalation ubuntu touch in the LG K10 (M250)], it's not a supported device?
 😢
 My Lumia have a good hardware.
 K10
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 with Nexus 5 is more simple?
 well, it's a supported device, yes
 for one moment, I believed to be possible...
 I have one Lumia 640 XL and one LG K10. Not a supported.
 no, every device requires a specific image to be built for it, so needs someone with the device to do the porting work
 I'm forced to discard Lumia. Windows Phone died.
 unfortunate
 but thank you
 @PauloAndrePMP [I'm forced to discard Lumia. Windows Phone died.], I have several Lumia devices lol
 👍🏽
 Im contemplating putting UT on one, but I have a huge back log of other things
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 Как всегда енглиш русского нет не форума не телеграмма
 Any devs here that would be willing to attempt building a Halium patched kernel for the Realme XT? Myself as well as people on XDA have been showing interest in trying the Ubuntu Touch GSI on this device. I've looked into it but I don't have the knowledge to be able to do it.
 Хотел спрасить на планшет linux без рут права пойдет
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 Доступ к загрузчику вроде только нужен
 Разлоченный тобишь
 I want to flash my Oneplus 3t today. Is stil dev or edge needed to install the GStreamer-droid camera or is rc enough in the meantime?
 [Edit] I want to flash my Oneplus 3t today. Is still dev or edge needed to install the GStreamer-droid camera or is rc enough in the meantime?
 Or has it already been implemented?
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 @Mars070 [Хотел спрасить на планшет linux без рут права пойдет], @UBports_Ru
 In this chat you should speak english
 @th1l0v [Or has it already been implemented?], No its not in the rootfs but you can get the dev dependency into RC or stable as well.
 @Виталий [Разлоченный тобишь], Не не разлоче на гарантии ламать не буду рутиров
 Не собираюс
 @Flohack [No its not in the rootfs but you can get the dev dependency into RC or stable as …], Thanks 👍
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 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], isnt ubuntu edge is canceled
 holy shit
[08:31] <ubptgbot> <claudomiro Jonelson> what would you buy on the internet for 1 dollar
[08:31] <ubptgbot> <claudomiro Jonelson> or what would you like to buy on the internet with 1 dollar
 well one is done with design and development one should go to exploit it over network integration with clouds and suits
 Does webber store all generated clicks somewhere?
 https://twitter.com/thefxtec/status/1321761273260986369
 @Sophie [https://twitter.com/thefxtec/status/1321761273260986369], hot stuff
 now this is nice
 i wanted to do convergence but my tv is way too big
 @SomeoneCalledNeo [now this is nice], A real image this time 😂 definately trying to tempt me to back right now
 you just need a 10 foot cable :3
 @RealDanct12 [hot stuff], how's the typing experience btw?
 @Fuseteam [how's the typing experience btw?], huong tram/10
 🤔
 @RealDanct12 [i wanted to do convergence but my tv is way too big], Convergence on a 55” TV is something else 😮
 @duckduckrice [Convergence on a 55” TV is something else 😮], My bq m10 manages it
 Tough i havent yet tried to do actual work on it that way
 tbf that would be a 10 foot experience while computers are phones are a 1 foot experience :p
 don't think ut supports a comfortable 10 foot experience yet
 Whats a 10 foot experience?
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 @YougoChats [Whats a 10 foot experience?], that experience you get when you sit 3 meters from your screen
 Like using UT on a tv for watching a movie? That's some while off yes...
 @ilikeyacutgAAAAA [isnt ubuntu edge is canceled], Yes, it still shows in you backer history
 @claudomiro Jonelson [or what would you like to buy on the internet with 1 dollar], 1 dollar gift card
 I want to install Anbox on my M10 HD. Is this page up-to-date? https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html?highlight=anbox
 @Mars070 [Как всегда енглиш русского нет не форума не телеграмма], https://t.me/UBports_RU
 @RealDanct12 [i wanted to do convergence but my tv is way too big], Get a bigger mouse 😂
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 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pro1-x-smartphone-functionality-choice-control?secret_perk_token=2c0a82a4#/
 i see lineage icons
 ahem
[14:10] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @ilikeyacutgAAAAA [i see lineage icons], Because this device comes with your choice of LOS or UT, according to their statements.
 @ilikeyacutgAAAAA [i see lineage icons], There's LineageOS by default
 cool
 It is available in either Lineage or UT
 both … both are good
 Later, it is expected to have dual boot
 even better
 They have two partitions
 Well two 'main' partitions, anyway 😁
[14:12] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Stereofont [Later, it is expected to have dual boot], I heard they are in contact with the devs of ABM for that. 👍
[14:12] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Stereofont [They have two partitions], Does this mean A/B partitioning scheme?
 Yes
[14:13] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> 👍
 For all who have $700 in the bank 🤔
[14:16] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Stereofont [For all who have $700 in the bank 🤔], Maybe I can swap for my Nokia N900? Looks very similar in principle ... 😇
 @X YZ [Maybe I can swap for my Nokia N900? Looks very similar in principle ... 😇], That was their inspiration
 @Stereofont [For all who have $700 in the bank 🤔], I think covid christmas isn't the best time to ask if people have $700 spare, even if they do, many are trying to save incase they might loose there jobs.
 @PhoenixLandPirate [I think covid christmas isn't the best time to ask if people have $700 spare, ev …], Sadly, very true. Rent and food come first for most people
 Keyboard as an optional accessory might have been a good plan
 I don't think that'd work becuase they put the majority of the actual phone, in the keyboard, which is why the pinephone is having difficulties adding a keyboard like the ones that are on the fx
[14:28] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @PhoenixLandPirate [I think covid christmas isn't the best time to ask if people have $700 spare, ev …], They are pretty much sold out on indigogo, though ... so some people seem to have found the money somewhere.
 Yeah, I mean if I had the money, id be extremely temped to jump on it
 https://twitter.com/Khode_Erfan/status/1321684101020209153?s=09
 I like this.
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 @Parallellhistory [<reply to media>], This!!!
 no screen neede, just a moderately flat and white piece of wall is enough
 The power consumption though...
 if only the stand was also a Qi charger
 @dohbee [if only the stand was also a Qi charger], Power! Unlimited Power!
 @erfanoabdi
 @YougoChats [Power! Unlimited Power!], also stability from the electromagnetic attachment to the desk :P
 @Parallellhistory [@erfanoabdi], 👋
 Just remove all jewelry and prosteses before approaching the device
 And wear a lead apron
[15:14] <ubptgbot> Clive Pettley was added by: Clive Pettley
[15:15] <ubptgbot> <Clive Pettley> Hi I'm new to telegram I just wanted to find out if there's a Linux touch port for Samsung galaxy s7 flat
[15:18] <ubptgbot> <Clive Pettley> 👍
 Fwd from Stereofont: Ubuntu Touch for your device? Check here… https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io Also, search at  https://forums.ubports.com/category/46/devices … So what is porting about (in a nutshell)? Well, think of your device as a car. You have got a petrol car (Android). You want to put in an electric driven engine (target OS). In
[15:21] <ubptgbot>  the garage you are told you can put in a diesel engine (e.g. Lineage OS). Fine, so your car is capable of exchanging the engine. Now you need to get all parts for your new engine (kernel, firmware, ...), assemble them and build them into your car (porting). And because every car's chassis is different, you can not use the parts of a Ford to use wi
[15:21] <ubptgbot> th a Porsche. That's why every type of car needs its own engine (port). Got it?
 👆this
 @Stereofont [Ubuntu Touch for your device? Check here… https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io Also, …], Clive
 Good afternoon,
 Exist one cable convergency official? Or one cable data ...
 By ubports
 no
 it depends on what device you have for what cable will work, if wired external display is supported by the device
 the Google Nexus devices use Slimport
 ok
 bq M10 uses straight HDMI with a mini-HDMI connector
[16:23] <ubptgbot> <Clive Pettley> I looked and my device not listed so can't be released for my device
 @Clive Pettley [I looked and my device not listed so can't be released for my device], someone is working on a port for s7 though i think
[16:38] <ubptgbot> <Clive Pettley> Ok thank you
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 @Parallellhistory [https://twitter.com/Khode_Erfan/status/1321684101020209153?s=09], I wanted to say I did it before on my 100" projector screen but that's way cooler because it's a phone with a projector 😄 … my portable projector is mich brighter though 😝
 Is there a reason the Pro-1-X is not listed on the devices website listing all of the different supported phones? Is this something that has been done entirely their end without any input from the main UBports development team? My understanding was that Volla have been working with UBports directly. Looking through the comments in telegram p
[17:52] <ubptgbot> eople seem to know very little about the Pro-1-X support which seems suspicious to me. I want to understand what is going on before I commit $700 to something.
 @Greg [Is there a reason the Pro-1-X is not listed on the devices website listing all o …], the site just has not been updated yet
[18:12] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> hey people , how i share files between pc and ubuntu touch?
[18:13] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> have samba ubuntu touch?
 mtp on usb, ssh (sftp) if you enabled it, wifi transfer app in store, and i think file manager can theoretically browse samba shares
 @Didac Sanchez [hey people , how i share files between pc and ubuntu touch?], mtp or sftp
[18:14] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> this is with cable?
 mtp is over usb yes
[18:20] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> the file manager can't open the machines of the net
[18:22] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> and invers can't connect to pc at mobile
[18:25] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> ubuntu don't have a right samba config
 huh?
 samba is not running on the phone, no. it doesn't present itself on the network as a samba share
[18:38] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> aaaah, ok, can i install a samba on the phone, samba ubuntu of pc?
[18:38] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> it's the same?
 no, Ubuntu Touch is not the same as Ubuntu on a PC
 if you want a file server a phone is not the best way to do things
 if you just want an easy wireless way to share files on the phone, the best option is to enable ssh on the phone, and add your ssh public key to the phone so you can just open `sftp://phablet@<your_phone_ip>/home/phablet` in nautilus on your PC running Ubuntu
[18:52] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> where enable ssh?
 @Didac Sanchez [where enable ssh?], http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/ssh.html
 @Greg [Is there a reason the Pro-1-X is not listed on the devices website listing all o …], Yes fxtec did almost all the work themselves. Also, its a indiegogo campaign so probably some things are still not working. When we know more we will publish it.
 @Flohack [Yes fxtec did almost all the work themselves. Also, its a indiegogo campaign so …], it's community GSI-based port (basically me, Marius, and Danct12 now - https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/fxtec-pro1/fxtec-pro1), I don't think there is a good reason for missing page besides nobody having created it
 @Flohack [Yes fxtec did almost all the work themselves. Also, its a indiegogo campaign so …], [Edit] it's community GSI-based port (basically me, Marius, and Danct12 now - https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/fxtec-pro1/fxtec-pro1), I don't think there is a particular reason for missing page besides nobody having created it
 @NotKit [it's community GSI-based port (basically me, Marius, and Danct12 now - https://g …], Yeah sorry did not want to say we did nothing :) But also counting in the concept, marketing, hardware etc. The project is a bit bigger than just porting the existing phone, at least what I understood fro mtheir process
[20:03] <ubptgbot> steinum was added by: steinum
 @Stereofont [Ubuntu Touch for your device? Check here… https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io Also, …], @Stereofont Great analogy. Now I understand why porting is beyond mere mortals.
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 @NotKit [it's community GSI-based port (basically me, Marius, and Danct12 now - https://g …], Oh I see, in terms of maturity would you say it is similar the fairphone and oneplus one or is it still a proof of concept? Is the volla also a GSI based port? The volla seems as mature as the supported devices.


[01:21] <robert_ancell> desrt, online?
[02:15] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, do you know much about casper?
[02:15] <robert_ancell> Looking at bug 1553592, but lp:casper seems out of date
[03:39] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Beyond having scripts in place to perform stuff on startup and during install, not much more.
[03:39] <TheMuso> s/not much more/not much/
[03:39] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, ok, thanks
[05:58] <hikiko> Hi
[06:48] <pitti> Good morning
[08:55] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:57] <andyrock> morning
[09:02] <Laney> meow
[09:03] <alexarnaud> hello!
[09:03] <pitti> good morning fellas!
[09:03] <pitti> at last, some life in the channel :)
[09:03] <Laney> everyone comes online just as pitti EODs
[09:09] <seb128> good morning desktoper
[09:11] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ça va ? bon week-end?
[09:14] <Laney> hey seb128 andyrock alexarnaud Sweet5hark and pitti!
[09:14] <Laney> and hikiko many hours ago
[09:16] <hikiko> hello Laney pitti seb128 :)
[09:16] <seb128> hey pitti Laney hikiko
[09:16] <hikiko> and andyrock Sweet5hark alexarnaud
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, oui, très bien ! et toi ?
[09:17] <pitti> seb128: je vais bien aussi; on allait au théatre samedi et dimanche, je suis allé courir, un week-end calme
[09:17] <seb128> ici aussi calme
[09:17] <seb128> too much to eat and drink
[09:18] <seb128> but also did some exercice yesterday to digest ;-)
[09:18] <pitti> seb128: tu était à ta famille, non ?
[09:18] <seb128> oui
[09:18] <seb128> and we had some nice cheesy raclette on saturday ;-)
[09:19] <pitti> seb128: héhé, les parents sont pareil partout
[09:19] <seb128> c'est vrai :-)
[09:19] <Laney> mmm raclette
[09:20] <pitti> "mon fils, tu ne manges pas quelque chose bon chez toi !"
 Oui, je ne prends plus le temps de dire bonjour ici :/
[09:24] <ksamak> Trevinho: so what about that v<IP_ADDRESS> idea? what's your opinion on that?
[09:24] <Trevinho> Hi everybody btw... And happy birthday to andyrock! ;-)
[09:24] <pitti> didrocks: tu es encore un membre honoraire d'équipe du bureau !
[09:24] <didrocks> pitti: héhé, tout comme toi :)
[09:24] <Trevinho> ksamak: yeah that's something I've been thinking about for some time... So I agree. I can do that.
[09:26] <seb128> andyrock, happy birthday!
[09:26] <seb128> salut didrocks ;-)
[09:27] <didrocks> salut seb128!
[09:27] <seb128> Trevinho, buongiorno ;-)
[09:28] <Trevinho> seb128: bonjour, mon ami!
[09:29] <ksamak> Trevinho: what about the followings? i guess you would keep your native source format
[09:30] <ksamak> and would you make little versions for bug fixes? i didn't look too deep,
[09:31] <ksamak> but james cowgill said smt like "fake releases"
[09:31] <ksamak> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=816652
[09:31] <Trevinho> ksamak: well, it could be an option when there's enough juice to fix.
[09:31] <seb128> Laney, oh, btw I think your gnome-calendar segfault is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762985
[09:32] <seb128> Laney, I get it as well with my canonical gcal in month view, if I disable it or switch to year view it's fine though
[09:34] <Trevinho> ksamak: probably the main thing would be having a compiz-unity instead of the compiz gnome package which is actually deprecated.
[09:34] <ksamak> that'd be better indeed
[09:34] <Trevinho> I mean we've glib support, not really gnome support there
[09:36] <ksamak> Trevinho: ok. i'll wait till v<IP_ADDRESS> is out, then i'll make the deb bug advance some more
[09:37] <ksamak> Trevinho: i'm all ears for requests and such, and to talk
[09:38] <ksamak> Trevinho: and i could also just follow what you do, that'd give me some contect, and how you guys function.
[09:38] <Trevinho> ksamak: reading the debian bug I see there are some lintian warnings or errors, so it would be nice if you could contribute with branches to fix the packaging issues that we've in both Ubuntu and debian..
[09:41] <ksamak> ok. there's the branches at git://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-a11y/compiz.git
[09:41] <ksamak> Trevinho: you can have a look
[09:42] <ksamak> and i'll fix a couple warnings yeah.
[09:42] <ksamak> Trevinho: either you can take the commits from sid branch, or if you need the process, i can open bugs on launchpad.
[09:42] <Laney> seb128: yeah I was just looking at that one
[09:43] <Laney> thx for the bug
[09:43] <seb128> Laney, yw
[09:44] <seb128> Laney, gnome-calendar upstreams are not really responsive :-/
[09:44] <seb128> or they handle bugs weirdly
[09:44] <seb128> like they comment on details but ignore important issues
[09:46] <seb128> that one shouldn't be difficult to fix if you know what to do when there is no dtend
[09:48] <Trevinho> ksamak: ok, i don't see many things touching us as well... Maybe the 3.0 src format only
[09:49] <Laney> AFAICS it used to assume it was the same as the start time
[09:49] <Laney> trying that
[09:54] <ksamak> Trevinho: yeah i tried to keep modifs to a minimum, but if you say there could be more fixes in, i could do that.
[09:54] <Trevinho> ksamak: would be nice...
[09:55] <ksamak> Trevinho: there's one thing that's bloking apparently, it's the cmake private file. i don't know much about cmake conversion
[09:57] <ksamak> Trevinho: i asked<EMAIL_ADDRESS>although i don't know if he's still out there
[10:00] <Trevinho> ksamak: no, I don't think he knows that... andyrock can help as well I think on that side.
[11:52] <Sweet5hark> seb128: fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1554015
[11:52] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[11:52] <Sweet5hark> seb128: heya ;)
[11:53] <Sweet5hark> ^^ that one was fun to triage and the result is just as scary ...
[12:16] <andyrock> thanks all
[12:39] <desrt> word up
[12:39] <desrt> happy monday
[12:41] <seb128> hey desrt, happy monday!
[12:46] <Laney> desrt: tsk
[12:47] <desrt> morning seb and Laney
[12:47] <desrt> why tsk?
[12:47] <Laney> 07:39!
[12:47] <Laney> happy monday :)
[13:49] <attente> seb128: hey, are you able to replicate the gnome-software/LIM bug at all? can't seem to get it crashing here and i have all the same package versions
[13:50] <seb128> attente, hey, no, I tried that earlier ... are we sure it has to do with lim?
[13:51] <attente> seb128: not sure, but that was the title on the bug. it seems to be just a u-g-m thing in general, but can't get it crashing with or without LIM
[13:51] <seb128> yeah, I couldn't trigger it either
[13:51] <seb128> it seems quite common though
[13:52] <seb128> seeing e.u.c and launchpad reports at least
[13:52] <attente> do you think we should blacklist it in u-g-m, or is that too desperate right now?
[13:53] <larsu> hi everyone! How are you?
[13:53] <attente> hi larsu!
[13:53]  * larsu refrains from any comments about LIM :P
[13:57] <seb128> hey larsu
[13:58] <Laney> what up larsu
[13:58] <seb128> attente, that would mean having a local menu for those fews items? not nice... we should better try to figure out the issue, we are still some way off the freeze and we can discuss fallback plans at the end of month if needed
[13:59]  * larsu looks up
[13:59] <larsu> not much, Laney :)
[13:59] <Laney> only the vastness of the universe
[13:59] <larsu> hm, can't see that through my ceiling
[14:00] <Laney> true, no proof it is up there
[14:00]  * larsu looks out the window instead
[14:00] <larsu> clouds
[14:00] <Laney> is cold today
[14:00] <Laney> news said that it's going to be springlike by the end of the week
[14:00] <Laney> like 15°
[14:01] <Laney> (so December weather...)
[14:01] <larsu> well, it's Monday...
[14:01] <larsu> *only
[14:01]  * Laney keeps the faith
[14:02] <larsu> Laney: it's pretty warm here ;)
[14:02] <Laney> bah
[14:03] <larsu> :P
[14:03] <larsu> (sorry)
[14:04] <seb128> it's winter, not supposed to be warm!
[14:04] <Laney> apparently it is (something) spring now
[14:04] <seb128> :-(
[14:04] <Laney> some fake spring
[14:04] <Laney> like political spring or something...
[14:05] <seb128> it's still -1°C at night and only 4°C during day here
[14:05] <seb128> hehe
[14:05] <seb128> but yeah, next w.e is going to be 6/11°C
[14:05] <larsu> seb128: you and your reasons!
[14:05] <seb128> :-)
[14:05] <Laney> March 1 marks the first day of meteorological, or climatological, spring for the Northern Hemisphere.
[14:06] <seb128> is that a "definition" or observation from this year conditions?
[14:07] <seb128> seems like a definition
[14:08] <seb128> learning every day :-)
[14:08] <Laney> yeah
[14:08] <seb128> seems like they do averages on 3 months periods
[14:08] <Laney> astrnomical spring starts on the equinox
[14:08]  * Laney likes that one more
[14:08] <seb128> and the coldest months are dec-jan-feb
[14:08] <seb128> so that's winter
[14:09] <seb128> yeah
[14:13] <xnox> yeah, happy autumn season to everybody!
[14:14]  * Laney crunches leaves with xnox
[14:22] <kgunn> Sweet5hark: hey fwiw, i've got to figure out why i can't run the simple pre-existing snaps on desktop atm...but, i did attempt to build LO, it complained about libcups2-dev
[14:23] <kgunn> so guessing that might need to be added as a build-package or a potentially a part
[14:37] <ksamak> hey andyrock , Trevinho said you might be able to help me with something.
[14:37] <andyrock> sure
[14:37] <ksamak> there's a cmake file in compiz that makes lintian unhappy
[14:37] <ksamak> :-9
[14:37] <andyrock> which one?
[14:37] <ksamak> may i forward the mail i sent to the guys who originally did it?
[14:38] <ksamak> i wrote to him, but i think he's out
[14:39] <andyrock> sure thing
[14:43] <ksamak> it's about a cmake file, that is a find module, instead of a module config
[14:44] <ksamak> there's a couple files that are touched by that too, but maybe if one helps me with one file, i could do the others
[14:45] <ksamak> :-S i'm not so versed with cmake as to do that
[14:58] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: interesting! it didnt complain when I last tried with that, which is odd. just curious: do you have libcups2-dev installed on the host system?
[15:09] <kgunn> Sweet5hark: it wasn't, but interesting enough, i added it to build-packages then it installed it on my host? instead of local to the snap build dir...that seems concerning
[15:11] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: yep, ive seen weirdness around that too, but didnt get to a clean reproduction scenario.
[15:11] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: but ... bazinga, now you did ;)
[15:12] <ogra_> kgunn, the snappy security model changed again, snaps in the store etc need to be re-packed for it
[15:13] <ogra_> (like every second week :P )
[15:26] <kgunn> ogra_: how is that related to the above?
[15:30] <ogra_> kgunn, older snaps will not work with the latest snappy
[15:30] <ogra_> (unless they are completely unconfined)
[15:30] <ogra_> older = from last week
[15:30] <ogra_> (or before)
[15:44] <flocculant> seb128: might be completely unrelated, but since "Create a new tab for developer options" in software properties - security action isn't changeable  - reported it to bug 1554099
[15:44] <seb128> flocculant, "changeable"?
[15:45] <flocculant> can't set it to Display/Download/Download and install
[15:46] <seb128> I don't understand
[15:46] <seb128> we moved a checkbox to another place
[15:46] <seb128> nothing else changed
[15:46] <seb128> same UI and backend
[15:47] <seb128> just packed in a different box
[15:47] <flocculant> ok - still not able to change it though
[15:48] <flocculant> anyway - reported it - only reason I pinged you was the changelog
[15:48] <seb128> wfm
[15:49] <Laney> me too
[15:49] <Laney> some debugging would be good then if you can
[15:50] <seb128> flocculant, do you get any error if you start it from a command line?
[15:52] <flocculant> PyGi warnings and theme parsing errors is all
[15:57] <flocculant> Laney: like a backtrace? bear in mind I don't often do this - so it's all but like greek to me ...
[16:04] <seb128> flocculant, do you have a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic ?
[16:05] <seb128> flocculant, is update-notifier-common installed?
[16:06] <flocculant> yes I have 10periodic and yes that is installed
[16:06] <seb128> what is in the file?
[16:07] <flocculant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15321620/
[16:14] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1554015 <- this is the "gcc goes havoc" issue
[16:15] <Laney> looks like unattended-upgrades makes that disable
[16:15] <Laney> kind of makes sense
[16:15]  * Laney does some poppler rebuilds
[16:15] <seb128> Laney, flocculant, right, the code is http://paste.ubuntu.com/15321677/
[16:16] <seb128> unsure how you got into that config?
[16:17] <flocculant> seb128: no idea - certainly not changed anything - this is todays builds for xubuntu - also looked at ubuntu
[16:18] <seb128> it might have to do with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/0.90
[16:19] <seb128> mvo enabled unattended-upgrades/enable_auto_updates
[16:20] <seb128> the software-properties could probably do a better job at telling you why the combo is disabled I guess
[16:20] <flocculant> seb128: could be that for sure - not something I look at often until someone asks me
[16:21] <flocculant> I'll add that ^^ to the bug then
[16:22] <mvo> interessting that it broke stuff, the code in u-m was supposed to understand auto-security updates
[16:22] <flocculant> hi mvo
[16:23] <seb128> mvo, it understands the option if APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "1"
[16:23] <seb128> mvo, or it seems that's 0 by default?
[16:23] <seb128> mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15321677/
[16:24] <seb128>         # Autodownload
[16:24] <seb128>         if apt_pkg.config.find_i(softwareproperties.CONF_MAP["unattended"]) == 1\
[16:24] <seb128>            and apt_pkg.config.find_i(softwareproperties.CONF_MAP["autodownload"]) == 1 :
[16:24] <mvo> seb128: aha, I see. that option is a bit silly, if the stuff is not pre-downloaded unattended-upgrades will just download
[16:25] <seb128> mvo, so should we change the default for the option or just drop the autodownload part of that if choice?
[16:26] <mvo> seb128: I think the autodownload is not relevant, I don't know the details (anmyore) of the code but it should just leave the autodownload option alone
[16:29] <seb128> mvo, ok, thanks
[16:30] <mvo> yw
[16:37] <seb128> flocculant, thanks for pointing it out!
[16:40] <flocculant> seb128: welcome - so not actually a bug in itself - but more it should say something?
[16:40] <seb128> flocculant, well, we should relax the code to list it as "autodownload" even if APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages = 0
[16:40] <seb128> since unattended does the downloading
[16:43] <flocculant> ok - so nothing more needed from me for the report?
[16:47] <seb128> flocculant, no, it's fine, thanks!
[16:48] <flocculant> seb128: ok - see you next time :)
[16:48] <flocculant> thanks :)
[16:48] <seb128> yw
[17:01] <jose> 'ello! do we have someone working on the gnome software center over here? I have a couple questions
[17:07] <seb128> hey jose
[17:07] <seb128> some people are looking at it, you can ask your questions
[17:07] <seb128> we can always redirect you if needed
[17:07] <jose> ohai
[17:08] <jose> so, I basically wanted to know if you were planning on including app purchases for 16.04, or that was out of the map
[17:12] <seb128> that would be a question for robert_ancell or willcooke
[17:12] <seb128> which are not around atm
[17:12] <seb128> it's on the roadmap, unsure if it's likely to happen for .0
[17:12] <seb128> or maybe as an update for .1
[17:14] <jose> hmm, ok if any of them are around any time soon, I'd appreciate to know :)
[17:14] <seb128> robert_ancell is in .nz
[17:14] <seb128> he should be up in a few hours
[17:14] <seb128> willcooke is out today but should be back tomorrow
[17:19] <jose> cool, thanks!
[17:40] <seb128> jose, was that the only question you had?
[17:41] <jose> oh, yes, I had something else, just remembered
[17:41] <jose> there's no option to 'turn on suggestions' like in the ubuntu software center, right?
[17:42] <jose> and, are reviews the only action that require an ubuntu one account so far?
[17:53] <seb128> jose, right, no suggestions that I know about and u1 is for reviews and flagging reviews as useful/not
[17:53] <jose> awesome, thanks!
[18:03] <seb128> yw
[18:06] <Laney> see you!
[18:08] <seb128> Laney,  have a nice evening!
[19:37] <seb128> hey robert_ancell!
[19:37] <robert_ancell> seb128, hi
[19:37] <seb128> how are you?
[19:38] <robert_ancell> seb128, good
[20:08] <xclaesse> seb128, FYI, attached a patch for xchat-gnome crash there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat-gnome/+bug/1495828
[20:09]  * xclaesse secretly had that patch for months, somehow forgot to share it :P
[20:09] <xclaesse> maybe I'm the last user of xchat-gnome...
[20:18] <davmor2> xclaesse: that or the only one with the bug
[20:23] <bschaefer> tyhicks, hello, have a question about security :). Mainly dealing with this mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mir/run-without-entropy/+merge/287445
[20:23] <bschaefer> (just need to know if its secure to read from urandom if urandom is init'ed before USC is started)
[20:23] <tyhicks> bschaefer: hey - I received your email but haven't been able to get back to you yte
[20:23] <tyhicks> yet
[20:23] <tyhicks> bschaefer: it is on my short list for this afternoon
[20:24] <bschaefer> tyhicks, awesome thanks!
[20:29] <seb128> xclaesse, hey, thanks ... I use xchat-gnome but didn't hit that one
[20:34] <xclaesse> seb128, weird, I hit it almost every startup of xchat-gnome since 15.10
[20:47] <seb128> xclaesse, I use xchat-gnome daily and never hit it, unsure what's the difference...
[20:49] <xclaesse> seb128, at least I'm not the only one:  Bug #1495828 reported by Daniel Holbach on 2015-09-15
[20:49] <seb128> right, there are some reports of the issue, I'm just saying it's not happening to everybody
[20:49] <xclaesse> and it has a few dups
[20:50] <seb128> but thanks for the patch, I'm going to have a look tomorrow
[20:50] <xclaesse> hm, all dups were reported by Daniel :p
[20:50] <xclaesse> seb128, thanks
[20:51] <xclaesse> seb128, I was running a patched package on ubuntu 15.10, got the issue again when upgrading to 16.04 because it overrided my custom package
[20:51] <xclaesse> then I decided I need to send it
[20:51] <xclaesse> dunno if there is an active upstream
[20:52] <xclaesse> I was the upstream, back in the days... lol
[20:52] <mdeslaur> I haven't hit it either, and no, there's no upstream :P
[20:52] <xclaesse> given the number of patches on the ubuntu package, I'm not sure if it's an upstream bug as well...
[22:50] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: around?
[22:52] <kgunn> Sweet5hark: yep whats up?
[22:54] <Sweet5hark> I found the root cause of the compiler b0rkage in snapcraft, see bug 1554015 comments 3 and 4.
[22:54] <Sweet5hark> dunno if that is the proper fix, but at least it fixes the immediate issue for me ...
[22:55] <Sweet5hark> prolly mvo should have a close look at that -- it sounds related to the changes he talked about.
[22:55] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: ^^
[22:57] <kgunn> ack
[22:57] <kgunn> good find
[22:58] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: If you still have troubles with the examples -- maybe try hacking that manifest.txt and see if it heals something.
[22:59] <kgunn> Sweet5hark: well, for sure we now atm the the display:0 is due to security profile changing (again) and breaking...so now everyone sees the same if they update
[22:59] <Sweet5hark> kgunn: ah, ok -- right.
[23:00] <jose> robert_ancell: ping
[23:00] <Sweet5hark> anyways, if you find something that smells like the above, you now know where to look ;)
[23:00] <robert_ancell> jose, hello
[23:01] <kgunn> Sweet5hark: ta
[23:01] <jose> robert_ancell: hey! seb told me you were the right person to ask this. do you know if app purchases will be enabled in the gnome software center before release?
[23:02] <robert_ancell> jose, there is no plan to add this currently
[23:02] <jose> robert_ancell: even after release?
[23:02] <robert_ancell> jose, not that I know of
[23:02] <jose> ok, thank you! :D