[05:22] <jmichaelx> i am ticked off at xine and mplayer both lol
[05:22] <dr_willis> sudo fidentd BillGates
[05:22] <dr_willis> :P
[05:22] <timi> so is kafeeine useless since no noe uses it lol
[05:22] <noiesmo> timi, can you open totem without select anything to play and does it crash or is only when you get it to play something
[05:22] <the_hammer> lol dr
[05:22] <the_hammer> sudo -find kill bill-gates
[05:22] <Tommy2k4> is there no xchat script that can do it
[05:22] <timi> it just crashes
[05:22] <noiesmo> timi, if so maybe like intelikey said its config
[05:22] <intelikey> useless, no.    less used, yes.
[05:22] <dr_willis> fidentd 1  WillamClinton
[05:22] <timi> ahh i c
[05:23] <dr_willis> Tommy2k4,  its a 'server' so it has to be ran by root.
[05:23] <the_hammer> theres lots of addons for xchat
[05:23] <dr_willis> a user based script should not be able to do it.
[05:23] <Tommy2k4> kk
[05:23] <the_hammer> im surprized ya cant get to the web addy
[05:23] <the_hammer> http://xlack.tk/
[05:23] <the_hammer> Xlack v2.1 is whatcha want
[05:23] <dr_willis> I doubt it will affect anything  :) that 1 enables identd verbose mode - to show if freenode even asks for idented info.
[05:24] <dr_willis> % Servicing ident request from <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:24] <dr_willis> guess it does.
[05:24] <dr_willis> wonder whos ip that is. :)
[05:24] <the_hammer> anyways laters guys
[05:24] <the_hammer> i got more stuff to add and play with
[05:24] <jmichaelx> i posted this in here earlier, but there are so many streams tha mplayer can not handle, so i installed xine, xine will play some video streams that mplayer will not, but after i installed xine, it screwed the color up on ALL the videos i play now.... and i hav not found any way to fix this
[05:24] <intelikey> x-lack' isn't that a laxative ?
[05:24] <noiesmo> ha ha intelikey
[05:25] <noiesmo> fuuny
[05:25] <Tommy2k4> off to bed cya xx
[05:26] <kanwar> hi, can I ask someone about installing kernel source on kubuntu? I need this to compile the nvidia driver for my Geforce card ...
[05:26] <moparisthebest> hey Tommy2k4 :)
[05:26] <cpk2> kanwar: you mean you need gcc to compile your nvidia driver?
[05:26] <noiesmo> kanwar, you can apt get the nvidia stuff
[05:26] <cpk2> !gcc
[05:26] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:26] <jmichaelx> streaming video is still the single weskest point of linux, as far as i am concerned
[05:26] <dr_willis> kanwar,  its easker to just use the apt method.
[05:27] <intelikey> !ati
[05:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:27] <kanwar> no, its telling me it cannot find version.h in the source tree ...
[05:27] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  youve not fought with wireless cards yet then. :)
[05:27] <jmichaelx> weakest*
[05:27] <intelikey> kanwar ^
[05:27] <kanwar> I have unbzipped the source in /usr/src/linux
[05:27] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: yes i have, lol
[05:27] <dr_willis> I cant rember the last time i watched a streaming video.
[05:27] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: maybe because you use linux
[05:27] <dr_willis> I tend to just use vlc for my porn  ^H^H^H^H^H needs...
[05:27] <Tsed> mozilla-mplayer seems to work fine for streaming video.
[05:27] <jmichaelx> linux and streaming are really awful
[05:27] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  i can do without that stuff at youtube.com
[05:28] <dr_willis> of course ive had sites that i cant watch stuff under windows also.. or the stuff is so badly done.. :)
[05:28] <cpk2> kanwar: you will need to apt-get build-essential
[05:28] <cpk2> or is it build-essentials?
[05:28] <kanwar> okay ... let me try that right now
[05:28] <noiesmo> kanwar, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common then do sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:28] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i am a news junkie, i don't care about you tube either
[05:28] <jmichaelx> bad thing is youtube works great
[05:28] <intelikey> jmichaelx call a linux geek a linux geek    but i'v never watched a "streaming vidio"  and don't have any desire to change that.
[05:29] <jmichaelx> intelikey: if that makes you happy , great
[05:29] <kanwar> thanks noiesmo ... will try this now
[05:29] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  for real news. :P find one of those shortwave radio streaming sites.
[05:29] <Tsed> And shockingly enough, the Linux version of Realplayer... actually looks decent.
[05:29] <noiesmo> kanwar, you need universe and multiverse in your sources.list
[05:29] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i listen to audio streams a lot, but right now i would like to get the video straightened out on my laptop (that xine screwed up)
[05:30] <jmichaelx> Tsed: in my opinion, mplayer sucks
[05:30] <Tommy2k4> hi moparisthebest
[05:30] <kanwar> noiesmo, yes, i have both universe and multiverse
[05:30] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i agree, real player 10 in linux is not bad
[05:30] <intelikey> jmichaelx output settings' probably the issue.
[05:31] <noiesmo> kanwar, ok you may need to reboot after so as nvidia driver is loaded
[05:31] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Out of curiosity, what problem have you had with mplayer?
[05:31] <kanwar> noiesmo, okay let me do that now
[05:31] <kanwar> i'll be back after the reboot
[05:31] <jmichaelx> intelikey: how would i find those settings and change them? i have tried everything
[05:31] <noiesmo> kanwar, ok
[05:31] <Tsed> Hell, I prefer mplayer even on Windows. :p
[05:31] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i could make a long list
[05:31] <cpk2> noiesmo: you dont need to shut down x to install nvidia drivers?
[05:31] <dr_willis> Ya got to restartx for them to get used however. :)
[05:31] <noiesmo> cpk2, ok
[05:32] <intelikey> open the app and click the menus settings preferances setup what ever.
[05:32] <dr_willis> Ive installed them from within X.
[05:32] <jmichaelx> Tsed: your experience is different than the experience of most others lol
[05:32] <noiesmo> cpk2, didnt say you need to stop x to install said to get then loaded
[05:32] <dr_willis> I tend to use vlc undeer windows and linux.
[05:32] <jmichaelx> i could make a long list of reasons i hate mplayer
[05:32] <intelikey> vlc
[05:32] <cpk2> noiesmo: i was asking if you needed to stop x
[05:33] <intelikey>  vlc
[05:33] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i use vlc when i can
[05:33] <intelikey>        vlc
[05:33] <noiesmo> cpk2, sorry no not for apt-get ones
[05:33] <cpk2> noiesmo: only way i have done nvidia is by stopping x and then running their binary
[05:33] <noiesmo> cpk2, if you install the nviida package from nvidia then yes you do
[05:33] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Eh, I can accept that.  I just love to be able to mplayer -dumpstream whenever I want, for example. ;p
[05:33] <jmichaelx> firstly, it takes mplayer forever to load a stream, secondly, it cuts most streams off before they are finished, thirdly, it will not play so much stuf
[05:33] <cpk2> noiesmo: so with apt-get you dont have to restart x at all?
[05:34] <noiesmo> cpk2, but its best to install apt ones so when you do updates etc they get updated to
[05:34] <noiesmo> cpk2, yes you have to restartx once the apt-gets finished
[05:34] <jmichaelx> mplayer goes bizirk sometimes if you try to use full screen
[05:34] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Huh.  I haven't had... any of those problems.  *shrug*
[05:34] <cpk2> noiesmo: dont worry i love using apt-get, it makes the system so much cleaner, dont have random folders all over the place from installs
[05:35] <jmichaelx> Tsed: then you need to write a post about what you do, because a lot of others have those same issues with mplayer
[05:35] <noiesmo> cpk2, not worried i mis read your intial question but people should use apt-get were ever poss to as you say keep clean sys
[05:36] <kanwar> hi noisemo ... rebooted but I cannot start X with nvidia driver yet
[05:36] <kanwar> I get the error: NVIDIA module not loaded!
[05:36] <jmichaelx> i think things are improving a lot, but mplayer and xine seem very primitive in a lot of ways
[05:36] <intelikey> is it possable to force a downgrade and then blacklist the newer version ???
[05:36] <intelikey> X Window System Version 7.0.0
[05:36] <intelikey> Release Date: 21 December 2005
[05:36] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Would... if I had done anything special. ;p  The plugin can be a bit slow to pick up a stream embedded in a site, but I don't really have issues when invoking mplayer <streamURL>.
[05:36] <intelikey> that for example ^
[05:37] <noiesmo> kanwar, do this         sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[05:37] <jmichaelx> Tsed: that is what i mean.... you have to continually futz with it, and give it url's for it to work well at all, and it just isn't worth it
[05:37] <noiesmo> kanwar, this should have come  with it       sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[05:38] <noiesmo> kanwar, you need the linux-restricted modules i thought the first would have pulled it down
[05:38] <kanwar> noisemo, okay doing it now ...
[05:38] <jmichaelx> most streaming video is a pain in the rear in linux, and the DVD players are nothing great either
[05:38] <intelikey> i'm not even sure where to find xorg-6x....   ?
[05:39] <noiesmo> kanwar, is it grabbin the resticted modules
[05:39] <kanwar> yes
[05:39] <noiesmo> kanwar, kool
[05:39] <kanwar> noiesmo, did i tell you i am doing this on amd64?
[05:39] <noiesmo> kanwar, no you didnt
[05:39] <kanwar> noiesmo, is the procedure same for all platforms?
[05:40] <jmichaelx> intelikey: why do you want xorg 6?
[05:40] <noiesmo> kanwar, as far as im aware
[05:40] <intelikey> anyone know a way to down-grade xserver-xorg   ?
[05:40] <nirmal> !xorg
[05:40] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:40] <noiesmo> kanwar, the last time i told someone to get the restricted modules someone else said it should do it auto so
[05:40] <noiesmo> kanwar, i left it out this time
[05:40] <intelikey> jmichaelx cause i don't want to get rid of all the gui crap on this box  but i'm not going to put up with xorg-7
[05:40] <kanwar> noiesmo, okay will wait for this install to go through
[05:40] <noiesmo> kanwar, cool
[05:41] <Tsed> jmichaelx: I think we just have different expectations, then, as I've had not a single problem with DVDs in Linux with xine or mplayer. :) (and I obviously am not bothered by the url thing... I usually prefer to have the video loading in a separate window than in my browser.  YMMV)
[05:41] <intelikey> nirmal are you sujesting that there would be a down-grading xorg howto on that link ?
[05:42] <noiesmo> kanwar, you should see the nvidia logo on restart
[05:42] <kanwar> noiesmo, i already have installed nvidia drivers under Suse on another partition and I see the nvidia logo on restart
[05:42] <nirmal> its robo info regarding xorg
[05:42] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i don't have problems playing DVDs , usually, but the GUI's for the linux dvd players i have used leave something badly to be desired
[05:43] <noiesmo> kanwar, coo
[05:43] <noiesmo> l
[05:43] <kanwar> noiesmo, its just that i'm having trouble with kubuntu at the moment
[05:43] <noiesmo> kanwar, np
[05:43] <intelikey> nirmal yes with no mention of 'down grading'...
[05:43] <rlj> is it possible to cache the contents of the kubuntu dapper livecd to ram so that the disc can be ejected?
[05:43] <noiesmo> kanwar, i like it better than suse dont like rpm system
[05:43] <intelikey> down grading any software seems to be "un-thinkable" in the *buntu world...
[05:44] <jmichaelx> for example, if you are watching a video full screen, you have to click off full screen in orer to adjust the volume or pause or anything. that in itself is annoying
[05:44] <jmichaelx> order*
[05:44] <intelikey> jmichaelx that's not a problem in vlc  :)
[05:45] <Tsed> Ahh.  I tend to use multimedia keys/shortcuts for volume, so.
[05:45] <jmichaelx> intelikey: it is in any version of vlc i have ever used
[05:45] <dr_willis> rlj,  some live cds have a 'toram' boot optuon you can append/use.. not sure if the dapper one does that
[05:45] <kanwar> noiesmo, i am biased towards deb systems too and find apt-get very cool that's why i want to get it working on kubuntu as its my primary desktop at home :)
[05:45] <intelikey> the mouse gives a menu while full screen vidio continues
[05:45] <kanwar> noiesmo, now to reboot and verify if all is ok
[05:46] <noiesmo> kanwar, k
[05:46] <jmichaelx> intelikey: that is true
[05:46] <intelikey> and volume is in the menu   no?
[05:47] <jmichaelx> intelikey: i was probably too harsh in regards to vlc, maybe i should use it more
[05:47] <jmichaelx> i am just used to real player and wmp and power-dvd in windows.... they all seem WAY more polished than anything in linux
[05:48] <dr_willis> I gave up on WMP when it wanted to download some codecs from a RussianSpyware site. :)
[05:48] <Tsed> jmichaelx: eef.  Okay, we definitely have much different tastes.  I abhor the power-dvd interface (and the default xine-ui, for similar reasons). :p
[05:48] <wolfmanz> what would cause xmms to not play mp3 files on a ntfs drive when i try and load the songs via konqueror but if i load a terminal up and load konqueror from that then i can play songs from with konqueror no problem..
[05:48] <intelikey> jmichaelx k.    i'm just used to 'not needing any GUI to do those things'   "vlc-plugin-svgalib"  and the console becomes a multimedia station.
[05:49] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: and those things are the down-side
[05:49] <cpk2> anyone know of any alternatives to voip programs like teamspeak and ventrilo
[05:49] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  :)
[05:49] <eddie> need some help with adept. I am trying to install some programs and it gets stuck at waiting for headers. sits at 0% downloaded then pops up with an error.
[05:50] <jmichaelx> believe me, it pains me to even boot windows up anymore.... but the down-side of linux is just endless futzing and configuring and reconfiguring
[05:50] <dr_willis> eddie,  ive heard some of the servers are having issues today
[05:50] <cpk2> eddie: you using US repos?
[05:50] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  you dont want to know this months list of 'issues' ive had with windows  :)
[05:50] <jmichaelx> the us.ubuntu servers have issues a lot of the time
[05:50] <eddie> dr_willis: thx, I was hoping it was something like that.
[05:50] <clifton> hi ...how do i Create the Netboot Image for ltsp?
[05:51] <Tsed> cpk2: You are aware TS has a linux version?
[05:51] <cpk2> eddie: if you are using the US repos open up sources.list and delete us. from any entries that have it
[05:51] <eddie> not sure which servers, I used the easyubuntu to install the additional servers
[05:51] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: don' get me wrong, i dislike windows, however, i never had many complicated issues with windows after XP came out
[05:51] <Tsed> cpk2: Just checking. :)
[05:52] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  i would consider you VERY VERY lucky then. I do 'normal' things and have constant issues with windows.
[05:52] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i have had xp on this machine for 4 years, and i don't remember anything serious ever going wrong
[05:52] <intelikey> jmichaelx i know exactly what you mean.   i installed ubuntu on my 66 year old mother's computer (who knows nothing about computers btw) and spent literally hours (three maybe) setting everything up.    and haven't had to go back and tuch it in more than 9 months.   it's all the man hours admining that kills me....
[05:52] <dr_willis> The main diff tween windows and linux..  "when you have a problem in linux, you can debug/test/troubleshoot and hopefully fix it"  - "when in windows, you are often stuck trying some what random and obscoure things to hope it fixes itself"
[05:52] <dr_willis> :)
[05:52] <jmichaelx> i have had more bad issues with kubuntu in one month, than in XP in four years
[05:53] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  you do NOT want to get me started.. :P lol
[05:53] <jmichaelx> intelikey: yes
[05:53] <eddie> cpk2: so if I have http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, I should change it to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ?
[05:54] <intelikey> jmichaelx yes.
[05:54] <cpk2> eddie: yes
[05:54] <jmichaelx> i am not praising windows, but the tendency is for linux users to become blind to the shortcomings of linux
[05:54] <dr_willis> the same  is allready true however for the window users.
[05:54] <jmichaelx> i agree
[05:55] <eddie> cpk2: thx I will try that
[05:55] <dr_willis> and many of linux shortcommings are not the fault of 'linux' perse.. its often the companies   not releasing the info needed.
[05:55] <intelikey> oh and i might mention that i setup sudo on that box so that it only allows her to run an internet connection/disconnection script as root, nothing else.  she cant break it if she trys.
[05:55] <beachbum> anyone having trouble connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:55] <dr_willis> Or its too many 'eye candy/gizmo obsessed programmers' :)
[05:55] <cpk2> windows has the advantage of commercial products and hardware being made for it
[05:55] <clifton> what is the replace command for mknbi in kubuntu 6.06?
[05:55] <cpk2> and linux is free and more secure
[05:55] <dr_willis> cpk2,  and it downloads  porn faster.. :)
[05:56] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: that is certainly the case with wifi... however, i don't think that is the case with streaming video (in many cases, at least)
[05:56] <cpk2> beachbum: they are down, use a mirror
[05:56] <beachbum> thanks
[05:56] <eddie> I know this isn't a skype forum, but does anyone know if or when skype will have video in linux?
[05:56] <beachbum> just checking
[05:56] <dr_willis> the state of video and all the codec  zoo - is scary
[05:56] <intelikey> concures   <dr_willis> Or its too many 'eye candy/gizmo obsessed programmers' :)
[05:56] <beachbum> how do you specify a mirror in apt-get?
[05:57] <noiesmo> beachbum, you need to change your sources.list
[05:57] <intelikey> beachbum in /etc/apt/surces.list
[05:57] <beachbum> thanks
[05:57] <intelikey> beachbum as root, you know.
[05:57] <beachbum> yeah
[05:57] <cpk2> beachbum: the easiest fix for the US archives being down is to just delete us. from any entry that has it
[05:57] <jmichaelx> that codec zoo is a mutual linux/windows problem
[05:58] <intelikey> is the us.mirror down ?
[05:58] <Tsed> Was just going to say that.  It's just ugly everywhere.
[05:58] <noiesmo> intelikey, seems to be the rumor here
[05:58] <cpk2> intelikey: yes
[05:58] <clifton> what is the replace command for mknbi in kubuntu 6.06?
[05:59] <noiesmo> clifton, hang on i used it the other day
[05:59] <noiesmo> just a sec
[05:59] <cpk2> Tsed: looks like i am going to have to build either teamspeak or vent from source =(
[05:59] <noiesmo> clifton, mkelf-linux
[05:59] <cpk2> i enjoy being lazy
[05:59] <clifton> ok thx i will try it
[05:59] <eddie> what is the best nntp newsreader?
[05:59] <dr_willis> eddie,  i tend to use pan
[05:59] <jmichaelx> i just wish i could fix the video on my laptop that got screwed up when i installed xine...... everything is so bright you can't make out what you are seeing lol
[05:59] <noiesmo> clifton, do man mkelf-linux it goes on about nbi files etc
[06:00] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  the videos are bright?
[06:00] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  or the whole display?
[06:00] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, were sunglasses ;)
[06:00] <intelikey> don't the evolution mail/news/crap app do that too ?
[06:00] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: yes, the brightness is ridiculous.... no, just the videos
[06:00] <Tsed> eddie: If you're looking for KDE/Qt programs, after digging around yesterday, there's "klibido".
[06:00] <jmichaelx> i am not sure sunglasses will help :-P
[06:00] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  odd. those players tend to have ooodles of settings and tweaks and controlls to play with. :)
[06:00] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, dam lol
[06:01] <eddie> dr_willis: I've used pan, but it doesn't seem to like large groups like alt.binaries.dvd
[06:01] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  i always got to crank up everything bright for my dim lcd.
[06:01] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: they have setting that do not seem to work
[06:01] <eddie> Tsed: thx, I will look at it
[06:01] <dr_willis> eddie,  hmm - i used to use it for huge   groups like the .rom groups ages ago.
[06:01] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, is this in mplayer or xine
[06:01] <jmichaelx> noiesmo: after i installed xine, i have this problem in every video player
[06:02] <eddie> dr_willis: I was using the windows version, so maybe I will give it a chance in kubuntu
[06:02] <jmichaelx> i did not have this problem before i installed xine
[06:02] <beachbum> anyone here using xgl?
[06:02] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, aah ok
[06:03] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, try uninstall xine see if it solves the prob
[06:03] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, just a thought
[06:03] <intelikey> if you use --purge maybe
[06:03] <dr_willis> try making a new user, and running the aps as that user.
[06:03] <noiesmo> beachbum, I have a system i run xgl/compiz on
[06:03] <dr_willis> it  may be a user specefic config/oddity
[06:03] <intelikey> could be
[06:04] <jmichaelx> noiesmo: i have thought about trying that, but i doubt that will help... and... that leaves me unable to view some streams again
[06:04] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, yes true
[06:04] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, have you tried adding a new user to system and see if it affects them as well
[06:04] <intelikey> so all you GUI heads,  what might cause kubuntu to only open apps in kde under root.  users can't open anything ???
[06:04] <aegeanlinux> I am going back to PKGBUILD writing, if you want me, type aegeanlinux ;)
[06:05] <jmichaelx> i guess i am just disagreeable, but i think linux has a long way to go in the streaming media department
[06:05] <ironfroggy> yeah. i cant watch my adult swim fix!
[06:05] <intelikey> yeah.  and i kinda hope it never gets there.
[06:05] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, thats fine and good but doesnt help us solve your problem
[06:05] <ironfroggy> intelikey: what on earth would make you say a thing like that??
[06:06] <jmichaelx> intelikey: you would be largely alone on that
[06:06] <dr_willis> Streaming media is rather low on my needs.. i tried a few of those sites that have tv shows and so forth under windows...  and.. well im better off downloading them with bittorrent
[06:06] <dr_willis> :)
[06:06] <intelikey> i don't want linux to be windows.
[06:06] <ironfroggy> intelikey: i dont see what that has to do with streaming media...
[06:06] <jmichaelx> intelikey: this is not about linux being windows, it is about linux being useful in many cases
[06:06] <Tsed> ironfroggy: mozilla-mplayer, though Konq doesn't seem to want to find it, works great with Firefox.
[06:06] <ironfroggy> Tsed: have you been able to watch [AS]  with it?
[06:07] <intelikey> i don't want the crowd that loves windows so much, being the next generation of linux'rs
[06:07] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Someone here linked to AS last night, and yes, I was able to watch it.
[06:07] <jmichaelx> there is a lot of content that mplayer can not handle
[06:07] <jmichaelx> what is AS?
[06:07] <Tsed> ironfroggy: It wasn't a CN site, though -- where are you watching it?
[06:07] <ironfroggy> intelikey: i dont see how you are even making that connection... nor what is wrong with those people decided to switch from windows.
[06:07] <cpk2> i havent had problems with mplayer
[06:07] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Adult Swim.
[06:07] <cpk2> hell i even use mplayer on windows
[06:07] <dr_willis> or course mplayer is also set to use the windows codecs.. so  your millage may vary
[06:07] <jmichaelx> ahh
[06:07] <dr_willis> :)
[06:08] <eddie> cpk2: deleting us worked great, thx again
[06:08] <ironfroggy> Tsed: i havent been able to watch it with mplayer-plugin :-/
[06:08] <Tsed> cpk2: Ditto. :)
[06:08] <Tsed> ironfroggy: With Firefox?
[06:08] <ironfroggy> yes
[06:08] <jmichaelx> ironfroggy: make sure all of your codecs are installed
[06:08] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Can you link me to where you're (trying to) watching it?
[06:08] <ironfroggy> they are. it was able to kind of play some of the advertisements, but it was choppy and it wouldnt respond to requests to change the video.
[06:09] <ironfroggy> Tsed: right on the adultswim.com website
[06:09] <jmichaelx> i have had this laptop for two weeks, and i am still fighting to get kubuntu tweaked on it lol
[06:09] <ironfroggy> jmichaelx: ive had it installed for two days and this is really the last thing i need to get right.
[06:09] <intelikey> ironfroggy not that people switch form windows,  but "why" they switch.    if they don't switch on pure (eula) motives then they work day in and day out trying to make linux more like the system they just came from.....  i don't want it more like it.   diversity is a linux thing     something *buntu seems to have missed.
[06:10] <jmichaelx> if i can get some of these video issues straightened out, i will get rid of the windows partition
[06:10] <eddie> thx for the help, you guys are great
[06:10] <ironfroggy> intelikey: i still fail to see the point in that in the context of the discussion it came from. i dont see how that has anything to do with streaming medium one bit.
[06:10] <dr_willis> http://www.adultswim.com/clips/index.html   - the clips are NOT working for me... and guess what.. I am using windows... :) LOL.
[06:10] <jmichaelx> intelikey: i hate to say it, but i don't think ubuntu is for you... you need debian or slackware or something
[06:11] <intelikey> ironfroggy sorry you don't see the connection.
[06:11] <jmichaelx> i agree with ironfroggy. being able to view streaming media has nothing to do with being more windows-like
[06:11] <dr_willis> Yea - they want to install FlashPlayer9.... Joy.
[06:11] <ironfroggy> intelikey: id like to see where you are making it, but you dont seem to be trying to give any clues. you've made points on both sides, but nothing to connect the dots.
[06:11] <intelikey> jmichaelx no any linux is fine.  just that some take a lot more customizing than others...  :)
[06:12] <ironfroggy> Tsed: odd, i went to try [AS]  again and im getting a plugin-not-found box on the page, even tho i have mozilla-mplayer installed.
[06:12] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Hmm.  http://www.adultswim.com/adultswimfix/index.jsp < So far, an advert played, then... it stopped.
[06:13] <dr_willis> ironfroggy,  whats the exact url?
[06:13] <intelikey> yea  flashplayer9  and java jre    and ....    what's the point?     you have linux, and don't know how to use it....
[06:13] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Er, nevermind, I think that's what was supposed to happen. :p
[06:13] <ironfroggy> any idea why the mplayer plugin would stop being found by firefox?
[06:13] <ironfroggy> intelikey: that doesnt make any sense at all.
[06:14] <intelikey> not to you i don't guess.
[06:14] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Unfortunately, I don't.  Try just reinstalling it?  (or just clearing your config, if there's nothing important there?)
[06:14] <ironfroggy> intelikey: the point of those things is the neutrality of platforms, so using them as an argument in the windows-linux arena doesnt make sense.
[06:14] <ironfroggy> Tsed: what config would that be?
[06:14] <jmichaelx> ok adult swim seems to be working for me, althoug, as usual, mplayer is a little choppy
[06:15] <ironfroggy> they have almost 40 episodes on the fix now. i need it back!
[06:15] <intelikey> "neutrality of platforms"  on closed source  windows-third.party things  ???   give me a break.
[06:15] <ironfroggy> they used too only carry eight or so at a time and only on friday nights.
[06:15] <kanwar> hi noiesmo, i still get NVIDIA module not loaded error while start X with Driver "nvidia"
[06:15] <dr_willis> egads -- i rember why i never use IE and windows much.. :P MS's fuirewall just asked me if i wanted to unblock... "Internet Explorerer" :) odd.
[06:15] <ironfroggy> intelikey: it doesnt makse sense that you keep bringing windows in on that.
[06:16] <kanwar> noiesmo, I downloaded the nvidia driver for amd-64 and while installing it tells me that my kernel has rivafb suppored compiled in which I should remove ...
[06:16] <noiesmo> kanwar, dam
[06:16] <kanwar> looks like its a long day ahead
[06:16] <intelikey> ironfroggy how big is your ntfs partition ?
[06:17] <jmichaelx> there are a lot of hardcore linux users who hate GUI's and anything that resembles windows, and think everyone else should have a degree in computer scinces and no as much as they do before they attempt to use linux.... i think it's silly
[06:17] <jmichaelx> science*
[06:17] <jmichaelx> know*
[06:17] <jmichaelx> lol
[06:17] <Tsed> ironfroggy: http://s88946514.onlinehome.us/zed/aswim.png < Seems to be playing fine here, might want to fiddle with mozilla-mplayer a bit more. :)
[06:19] <ironfroggy> intelikey: ZERO
[06:19] <intelikey> (: degree in computer scinces :)     nice  0o
[06:19] <jmichaelx> intelikey: that is called a typo, and i corrected it 1 second later :-P
[06:20] <intelikey> jmichaelx not the typo.  i do that all the time.   it's the idea that hard core linux users  have them....  :)
[06:22] <jmichaelx> intelikey: i know what you mean (although there is a significant percentage that probably does),  others have just been using linux since 1985 and cannot connect with someone who just began experimenting with it a months ago
[06:22] <ironfroggy> [AS]  is why i hate saturdays. they dont show anything good.
[06:22] <dr_willis> heh.
[06:22] <jmichaelx> 1995*
[06:22] <intelikey> ok  :)
[06:23] <intelikey> 1985 unix maybe...
[06:24] <intelikey> generic  *nix   is handy for that kind of statements
[06:24] <jmichaelx> if i ever become a GUI=less linux badass, it will be a few years.... and i will still want to be able to watch streaming video :-D
[06:24] <wolfmanz> windows:D
[06:24] <jmichaelx> intelikey: lol
[06:24] <noiesmo> kanwar, just reading this might help
[06:25] <noiesmo> kanwar, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=266084
[06:25] <noiesmo> kanwar, theres referance to rivafb conflict
[06:27] <jmichaelx> intelikey: speaking of unix, i really want to experiment with bsd & solaris , etc, too.... i had freeBSD on one box for a week or so, but i am not ready for that yet
[06:27] <noiesmo> kanwar, here this is the go http://ubuntu-inspiron.blogspot.com/
[06:27] <noiesmo> Wow! This has turned out to be a huge problem, but I think I've finally got it fixed. First the solution: a script that gets run at boot time at priority 19. Here's the script:
[06:27] <noiesmo> #!/bin/sh modprobe rivafb rmmod rivafb modprobe nvidia
[06:28] <kanwar> noiesmo, thanks for the links ... reading them now
[06:28] <jontec_> Can anyone tell me the link to the .list file for the repos?
[06:29] <noiesmo> jontec, /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:29] <noiesmo> kanwar, i think the little scripts the go from blogspot
[06:30] <intelikey> now that it's all calm again.   the reason i said what i did earlier is that,  in *buntu channels it is very often said 'linux is not ready for prime time'  or  'has a long ways to go...'   the fact is; *nix has been "prime time" longer than M$ has existed.  so when people make that kind of statements they are really just comparing *buntu to winXP and based on their own personal preferances, asserting that linux is 'infer
[06:31] <intelikey> this is not competition.
[06:31] <intelikey> that's all i was on about.
[06:31] <jmichaelx> intelikey: i think that is all valid....    i was only saying that streaming content had a way to go :-D
[06:32] <jmichaelx> but i agree..... and unix is still ahead of windows in many respects
[06:32] <intelikey> jmichaelx but there were linux users that disagreed with you also on that point....   so   <shrugs/>
[06:33] <jmichaelx> intelikey: they also admitted that they did not watch much streaming video (withthe exception of Tsed)
[06:33] <Tsed> Mmm.  Like me, who didn't know AS had full-episode streams... and is now watching them via mozilla-mplayer. ;)
[06:33] <intelikey> hope ironfroggy sees now.
[06:34] <jmichaelx> i am satisfied that streaming media is not handles well (yet) in linux, but it has improved a lot in just the past year
[06:34] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i had never heard of adult swim lol
[06:34] <jmichaelx> i don't even own a TV
[06:35] <wolfmanz> If the linux distros want more windows users then they have to make these distros more like windows
[06:35] <jmichaelx> i don't need linux to be more like windows.......
[06:35] <Tsed> Dear deity no! :p
[06:36] <Tsed> There's just some areas that can use some polish, is all.
[06:36] <intelikey> jmichaelx yes the whole streaming * is relatively new yet.    in time more open source work will be done there, it will grow.   but while things are closed source they choak the 'open source' advancements to some degree.
[06:36] <Tsed> Networkmanager, as an example has single-handedly made linux wireless not only tolerable, but just plain great for me.
[06:36] <jmichaelx> intelikey: yeah, that is where  the problem is
[06:37] <ironfroggy> intelikey: about your previous statements. arent you doing the same thing in your assertions of linux over windows, basing it on personal experience and wants?
[06:37] <jmichaelx> i think wifi is doing pretty well in linux
[06:37] <intelikey> ironfroggy no on history.
[06:38] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Beyond certain drivers, totally.  A year or so ago I was struggling to get wpa_supplicant to work properly.  These days, NM makes it brainless.
[06:38] <jmichaelx> i do have a few usb wireless adapters that i wish would work with linux, but i have not been able to get them going
[06:38] <ironfroggy> i dont see how it has any baring. it doesnt matter what anything could do, only what it does do.
[06:38] <intelikey> ironfroggy am i biased, absolutely.  but the claim that *nix predates M$ is not personal.
[06:39] <ironfroggy> i didnt say it was personal. that claim has no weight or value in this conversation, i was commenting on the linux for primetime issues. i dont care what or when either of them did anything in the past.
[06:39] <intelikey> the assertion that *nix is 'main stream' is not personal either.
[06:39] <ironfroggy> also, irrelevent to the discussions of linux-vs-windows in reguards to capabilities of each platform.
[06:42] <intelikey> "linux-vs-windows in reguards to capabilities of each platform."  see that statement above ^ "<intelikey> this is not competition."    it's not about whos' dog can beet whos'
[06:42] <ironfroggy> then what could you possibly be comparing them in that has any value?
[06:43] <intelikey> every mama crow's little crow is always the blackest crow...
[06:43] <Tsed> In any case, this entire discussion is probably pretty off-topic for a support channel? :)
[06:43] <intelikey> Tsed yeah  has been for a while.
[06:44] <ironfroggy> Tsed: so you say you can watch [AS]  in firefox, even if its a little sluggish?
[06:44] <intelikey> Tsed but i asked three 'support related' questions, and none were answered...
[06:44] <Tsed> ironfroggy: It's only sluggish in connecting to the stream at first.  Once playback starts, it works great.
[06:44] <ironfroggy> i see it running through all the connection stuff, buffering, etc. and then it just doesnt play.
[06:45] <conley> thank goodness the repos are back up
[06:45] <intelikey> yay! us.ubuntu. is up... yay!
[06:45] <Tsed> intelikey: Well hey, personally, I didn't have an answer to your Q, so... ;p
[06:45] <ironfroggy> oh, now its back up, after i go and alter every entry in my sources.list manually to get around it.
[06:46] <noiesmo> ironfroggy, should have made a copy before you edit then its just a cp away
[06:46] <PokerFacePenguin> ironfroggy: should have used kate or sed :)
[06:46] <intelikey> Tsed i know.  i didn't expect any answer really.   i seldom ask a question that anyone in here can answer.   ;/
[06:46] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Out of curiosity, if you do "mplayer <streamURL>", does it work for you?
[06:46] <ironfroggy> Tsed: have to check that.. second.
[06:47] <intelikey> can  or   will...   idk
[06:47] <conley> hang on universe is still down
[06:47] <ironfroggy> Tsed: seems to work
[06:47] <intelikey> conley how can universe be down... it's on the same server...  ?
[06:48] <Tsed> ironfroggy: For the record, via the plugin, it takes a good 30-40 seconds for playback to start here.
[06:48] <PokerFacePenguin> can anyone recommend a nice gui frontend to iptables that plays nice with xfce?
[06:48] <noiesmo> firestarter
[06:48] <conley> hmmm...your right, what is my problem
[06:48] <ironfroggy> Tsed: letting it sit for five minutes doesnt help.
[06:48] <conley> i get to 99 percent on the fetch updates then hang though
[06:48] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Mkay, just making sure.
[06:48] <ironfroggy> Tsed: sadly, the url from the page isnt the actual video, its the "in a minute..." stream.. but i can watch that!
[06:48] <PokerFacePenguin> noiesmo: i haven't tried it on xfce yet, was wondering about that one
[06:49] <intelikey> conley   deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[06:49] <noiesmo> PokerFacePenguin, its nice and light
[06:49] <PokerFacePenguin> noiesmo: thanks
[06:49] <intelikey> conley daz what you got ?
[06:49] <noiesmo> PokerFacePenguin, np
[06:50] <conley> yea
[06:51] <intelikey> i'm checking....
[06:52] <intelikey> conley yeah us. is back down as far as i can tell.
[06:52] <thrice`> anyone use 64-bit with a broadcom dell 1390 for wireless?
[06:52] <intelikey> conley use nl.
[06:53] <jmichaelx> thrice`: i am using a 32bit with a broadcom dell 1470
[06:53] <thrice`> and ndiswrapper i'm guessing?
[06:54] <jmichaelx> thrice`: yeah, i tried hard to get the whole open-source broadcom driver working, but no success
[06:54] <thrice`> well, the problem is that there are no 64-bit windows drivers
[06:54] <thrice`> and ndiswrapper wont' take 32-bit
[06:54] <jmichaelx> ahhh
[06:55] <jmichaelx> thrice`: have you tried asking the guys who did the O-S broadcome driver about it?
[06:55] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Sorry to say I don't know what to suggest from here.  All I can say is that "it works here".  Doesn't help much, I know. :/
[06:55] <thrice`> the bcm43xx friver ?
[06:55] <jmichaelx> thrice`: yeah
[06:56] <thrice`> jmichaelx, sorta...it's half-way into the kernel.  I'm not sure if they're expanding more.  I'll try again
[06:56] <conley> anyone here developed with glut?
[06:56] <jmichaelx> i guess it is in the 2.6.17 kernel
[06:57] <ironfroggy> Tsed: so then a related but different inquiry. any thoughts on why sound would just stop working, if artsd is still running and not muted?
[06:57] <jmichaelx> although a person probably still needs the firmware.... not sure about that
[06:57] <thrice`> yeah, but doesn't support my specific chipset ()though it *should*)
[06:57] <jmichaelx> yeah, it shoul
[06:57] <jmichaelx> d
[06:58] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Sound in general, or only certain programs?
[06:58] <ironfroggy> in general
[06:59] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Well, I haven't had this issue on Kubuntu, but it was common when I was on Gentoo... occasionally artsd would block all other (non-arts-piped) sound.  Does stopping arts allow the sounds through?
[07:00] <ironfroggy> Tsed: it doesnt work for KDE apps using artsd, either.
[07:01] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Hrmph.  Then unless there's some other program bypassing artsd... I have no idea, sorry.
[07:02] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Does, say, restarting your session tend to fix it?
[07:02] <intelikey> oh holy smokes,  i think i found what happened to my gui apps.  isn't there supposed to be some symlinks in /usr/bin/   to verious gui apps ???   i have no links there....
[07:03] <ironfroggy> Tsed: could try. i tried restarting artsd, but it didnt help.
[07:03] <Tsed> intelikey: Yeah... there should definitely be links there.
[07:03] <intelikey> ironfroggy some app didn't start esd did it ?
[07:04] <ironfroggy> nope
[07:04] <ironfroggy> and i was just listing to things earlier, when i was watching a dvd
[07:04] <beachbum> anyone know how to setup smbmount without suid root?
[07:04] <intelikey> aren't arts and esd mutually exclusive.
[07:04] <ironfroggy> beachbum: sure whats the problem?
[07:04] <intelikey> oh ok.
[07:05] <beachbum> i'm getting this error when i try to smbmount on my normal user account
[07:05] <jmichaelx> LOL i am trying to use mplayer right now to watch some video clips from  NOVA on the PBS website..... mplayer is SO shitty
[07:05] <beachbum> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[07:05] <beachbum> smbmnt failed: 1
[07:05] <beachbum> do i just need to add myself to group 1000?
[07:05] <ironfroggy> why does the user need to mount them?
[07:06] <ironfroggy> i just have them mounted at boot, but with the uid and gid of the appropriate users and groups.
[07:06] <beachbum> because i have a samba share on my server that has all my mp3's
[07:06] <ironfroggy> beachbum: so do i.
[07:06] <ironfroggy> didnt stop me.
[07:07] <beachbum> where do you mount them at boot?
[07:07] <ironfroggy> put them in fstab
[07:07] <ironfroggy> like any other mountable device. no difference.
[07:07] <kuzmaster> can anyone here please help me with a totally un-realated vmware problem?
[07:08] <beachbum> doesnt it have to know the user and password for the share?
[07:08] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Again, works fine here... although "SO shitty" isn't very descriptive ;p
[07:08] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: what about your vmware
[07:08] <ironfroggy> beachbum: you can put them in a credentials file that only root and the user can read.
[07:09] <beachbum> ok
[07:09] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i have to say that i don't believe it works great for you or anyone else.... it does owrk, if you are VERY careful lol, but if you sneeze, it doesn't
[07:09] <beachbum> where does that go and what do i put in fstab?
[07:09] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, i thinks my windows xp vm is broken
[07:09] <Tsed> jmichaelx: If you call "careful" "clicking the link", sure.  ;p
[07:09] <beachbum> or do you have a link for that?
[07:09] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: what makes you say that?
[07:10] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, well, it froze while taking a snapshot, and i had to restart the computer
[07:10] <jmichaelx> the video came up in a separate window (which is fine) but if you resize it, it pauses.... in fact it froze, so i had to close the window and restart
[07:10] <ironfroggy> beachbum: do you know the format of fstab for non-samba mounts?
[07:10] <jmichaelx> there is no full screen option now
[07:10] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: no backup?
[07:11] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, no
[07:11] <beachbum> yeah...
[07:11] <beachbum> dont know it for samba mounts, though
[07:11] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: it didnt start up again?
[07:11] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, then when i tried to resume the vm,it said somthing like ......
[07:11] <chemaja> wait, so if i manually partition, kubuntu install crashes??
[07:11] <beachbum> /server/share /mountpoint smbfs userid=foo,passwd=bar,rw 0 0
[07:11] <beachbum> can i just do that?
[07:12] <Tsed> jmichaelx: http://s88946514.onlinehome.us/zed/pbs.png  < That's how it appears here.  fullscreening it works fine, as well.
[07:12] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i think you are nearly unique in how well mplayr has worked for you.... i don't know if you just have the perfect hardware or what
[07:12] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, cant find "windows xp.vmdk"
[07:12] <jmichaelx> mplayer is especially bad with video clips from sites like yahoo
[07:13] <ironfroggy> beachbum: well its //server/share, but yeah. but i wouldnt recommend putting the password in fstab.
[07:13] <ironfroggy> its globally readable.
[07:13] <chemaja> ironfroggy: does it have to be?
[07:13] <beachbum> yeah, i know
[07:13] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Clicking the realplayer feed brings up the real plugin... seems to work fine as well.  *shrug*
[07:13] <beachbum> didnt work anyway
[07:13] <chemaja> ie. `chmod o-r /etc/fstab' -- will this break stuff?
[07:13] <Tsed> jmichaelx: But to be fair, the QT stream isn't quite working.
[07:14] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i WISH it brought up real player for me, but even clicking real brings up mplayer.... argh
[07:14] <beachbum> ironfroggy: got it in the fstab, where do i put the creditial file?
[07:14] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster:  hmm, can you find the file manually?  I would make a copy of all of those files in the image dir (.vmx, vmdk) and muck around to see if i could get rid of a lockfile or something
[07:14] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, it said this "Cannot open the disk 'Windows XP Professional.vmdk' or one of the snapshot disks it depends on."
[07:14] <jmichaelx> real player handles its own content way better than this real player thing
[07:14] <jmichaelx> oops, i meant mplayer thing
[07:15] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Which realplayer version have you installed?
[07:15] <jmichaelx> Tsed: 10
[07:15] <intelikey> Tsed could you please pastebin or even better dcc.send me;     find /usr/bin/ -type l -exec ls -l {} \; > list         if it's not to much to ask.  :)
[07:15] <jmichaelx> mplayer just takes over
[07:15] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, i can get to those files manually, and i have now made a copy of them, but ive tried deleting the snapshot images files-thingy, and that still diddnt work
[07:15] <intelikey> i need to know what kde is looking for....
[07:16] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, is there a way to use those virtuall hdd's in another vm?
[07:16] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin. in a new vm
[07:16] <phisrow> Quick question for you chaps. I've been having trouble updating in Apt of late.
[07:16] <Tsed> intelikey: http://s88946514.onlinehome.us/zed/list <
[07:17] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: any crazy looking files in that directory besides the "snapshots"?
[07:17] <unstablesob> wow, kde definately does NOT suck!
[07:17] <phisrow> Is us.archive.ubuntu.com functioning normally?
[07:17] <intelikey> ty
[07:17] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, ummmm, dont think so, ill take a harder look
[07:17] <intelikey> phisrow use nl.ubuntu  us.ubuntu is problematic atm.
[07:18] <excitatory> is there a way to restore the konqueror profiles provided by kubuntu?  i followed the faq to restore my konq profiles to the default kde, but due to terrible consequences, i would like to go back.
[07:18] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, thers a .vmsd, and a .vmem file
[07:18] <phisrow> Thanks, intelikey, it's nothing too urgent, I was just hoping that I hadn't b0rked anything.
[07:18] <beachbum> ironfroggy: nevermind, there's a nice config tool in kde's system settings
[07:18] <Tsed> Uhh... can someone check their links in /usr/bin ?  Looking at that list just confused me -- should those all really have such generous permissions?
[07:19] <intelikey> excitatory rm your configs in your home restores all defaults.
[07:19] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: since you have made a copy of them, try deleting one at a time and see if that helps you out....you know you can move all those files around anytime
[07:19] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, ok will do
[07:19] <intelikey> symlinks are 777 Tsed
[07:20] <intelikey> it's the file they point at that matters.
[07:20] <intelikey> and thanks again for the list.
[07:21] <Tsed> intelikey: Always?  Huh.  That just strikes me as odd -- I mean, sure, "it's the file they link to that matters", but with such permissions, what's stopping a user from maliciously changing what they link to?
[07:21] <excitatory> intelikey: what configs are you referring to exactly?
[07:21] <Tsed> intelikey: No prob.
[07:21] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: i would try the .vmem file first
[07:21] <jmichaelx> i just installed mepis 6.0 on an old 500Mhz P3 box..... seems to work really well, surprisingly
[07:21] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, k
[07:22] <excitatory> jmichaelx: i have kubuntu installed on a similar machine.. 733MHz, but ran like a breeze
[07:22] <intelikey> excitatory .kde/  or any part there of.   also  .gtkrc  or other such files in your home.
[07:22] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: some of my images that are ok, have the .vmsd file in the directory, but havent seem the .vmem one yet....still looking
[07:22] <intelikey> Tsed the perms on the dir are what keeps users form hosing the links.
[07:23] <intelikey> generally.
[07:23] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, well im still waiting on this copy to finish, im making a nother copt, cos im goin thru the logs
[07:23] <intelikey> the dirs are not world writable
[07:23] <Tsed> intelikey: Mmm.  Okay.  Just kinda surprised me when I saw that.
[07:23] <jmichaelx> excitatory: i am impressed  that a distro like mepis running KDE could work so will on such an old machine.....
[07:24] <intelikey> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root  24K 2006-07-22 17:38 bin   < eg.
[07:24] <intelikey> Tsed yeah understandable indeed.
[07:24] <jmichaelx> mepis is running better on this 500Mhx box than xubuntu does on a 500Mhz AMD K6-2 box that i have
[07:25] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: you may find this link helpful http://www.vmware.com/support/ws55/doc/ws_learning_files_in_a_vm.html
[07:25] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: tells you what files are necessary for an image
[07:25] <Tsed> KDE in general is pretty speedy, ime.  It can use a good bit of RAM, but beyond that, I'm generally impressed with its performance on low-end machines.
[07:26] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, while ive been waiting, i looked at the file sizes of the 2 files, and the .vmsd is 0kb, and the .vmem is like 733mb (733 183KB)
[07:26] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i am surprised, but that seems to be the case
[07:27] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: check out that link i dropped on ya
[07:27] <Tsed> jmichaelx: KDE is one of those nice rare projects that, despite getting more featureful as it ages, has actually gotten faster as well. :)
[07:27] <intelikey> Tsed in my experance with kde2 and gnome1  and later, kde is better on low low end boxes than gnome is.  actually a smaller foot print.
[07:27] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: basically, .vmem only exists if running or crashed...a paging file...delete it
[07:28] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, thanx for it, and i have done. the reason for the .vmem file sounds right
[07:28] <jmichaelx> Tsed: very impressive
[07:28] <intelikey> but i tend to dis agree with the 'faster as it ages' shmuck...  :)
[07:28] <Tsed> Compare KDEv2 to KDEv3 to KDEv3.2, then.
[07:28] <jmichaelx> even though, i am planning on using fluxbox with this mepis box
[07:28] <chemaja> guys, will https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/47194 be fixed in the kubuntu dapper iso? this is the bug where manually partitioning crashes the installer.
[07:28] <Tsed> Never used v1, so I can't talk there.
[07:29] <chemaja> ie. 6.06 LTS ISOs, do they get bugfixes too?
[07:29] <intelikey> Tsed i don't have v3 but v2 & v3.2 is my referance point.
[07:29] <b_> HI i need some help
[07:29] <b_> my uestion is...
[07:30] <intelikey> but i must admit, that on a low low end box neither install of kde was default.  that matters of course.
[07:30] <b_> everytime i run the command apt-get install nepenthes i keep getting the error in konsole saying
[07:30] <b_> b@b-desktop:~$ apt-get install nepenthes
[07:30] <b_> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[07:30] <b_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[07:30] <intelikey> sudo
[07:30] <intelikey> !sudo
[07:30] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:30] <intelikey> b_ ^
[07:30] <b_> opps
[07:30] <b_> lol
[07:31] <ChefWill> anyone know if there is a way to prevent kubuntu from dimming screen to save power on laptop?
[07:31] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: let me know the outcome...might need to do that one day for one of mine :P
[07:31] <Tsed> intelikey: My experience with v2 was that it was somewhat sluggish on a 450Mhz P3 with a good amount of RAM.  Not so much with 3.2+.
[07:31] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, will doo, just about to do it now
[07:31] <b_> ok i got another question
[07:32] <Tsed> intelikey: But then, I was comparing Mandrake(v2) to a Gentoo install(v3.2), so hey, not very fair, I suppose.
[07:32] <intelikey> Tsed that's not low low end....  low end maybe.    but i'm talking p100mmx 64m  and comparable
[07:32] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, nope diddnt work
[07:32] <intelikey> agreed on the distro diff also
[07:32] <jmichaelx> kde 3.5.3 is working well with mepis on this 500Mhz P3 machine.... very well. not sluggish at all
[07:33] <Tsed> intelikey: KDE may have gotten a bit more RAM intensive, so 64MB... eek.
[07:33] <intelikey> Tsed i can run dapper on 64m with no swap.
[07:33] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: i thought we had it whipped....that link will probably help you immensely in determining just where you went wrong.  There still might be some other files in there that are wack
[07:33] <intelikey> kde ^ that
[07:33] <Tsed> intelikey: With full KDE?  Impressive.
[07:33] <b_> my question is when trying to install firefox threw adept.. under the Requested column, it states Break Install in red letters
[07:34] <b_> what does that mean
[07:34] <b_> it will not let me install firefox
[07:34] <intelikey> yes full kde.  but i generally customize things by the second day.
[07:34] <jmichaelx> this i am still going to primarily use fluxbox
[07:34] <Tsed> intelikey: In any case, at least 3.x has gotten faster with pretty much every version.  *that* I have a fair playing field to compare. :)
[07:35] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, the only other one is a .vmx~, which im pretty sure a text editor in kubuntu creates as a backup (this vm was originally from kubuntu)
[07:35] <intelikey> b_  i don't know about adept there  try installing in the terminal/konsole  sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:35] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, ill delete that to tho
[07:35] <Tsed> intelikey: 3.0 -> 3.2 was a huge difference.  3.2 -> 3.3 was a decent update, and it's been pretty minor changes since.  Supposedly QT4 delivers even more performance bonuses, so we'll see. :)
[07:35] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: you gotta have a vmx
[07:36] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, i do, allong with that backup file
[07:37] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: have you read your logfiles?
[07:37] <intelikey> Tsed ok the default installs of 3.x  probably.  cause each new subversion is just an improved 3.0  so that makes sense.  the major rewrites thow don't show the same improvements,  they have improvements just not speed as far as i can tell.
[07:37] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, im reading my log file now, and i found this that i thinks is interresting
[07:38] <kuzmaster> hang on
[07:38] <intelikey> growing by a magnatude seldom means faster  :)
[07:38] <intelikey> not saying it can't happen.  of course.
[07:39] <b_> i dunn whats up this is my problme (not spam)
[07:39] <b_> b@b-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:39] <b_> Password:
[07:39] <b_> Reading package lists... Done
[07:39] <b_> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:39] <b_> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[07:39] <b_> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[07:39] <b_> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[07:39] <b_> or been moved out of Incoming.
[07:39] <jmichaelx> it also appears to me  that a 500Mhz P3 cpu is a lot better than a 500Mhz AMD k6-2 lol
[07:39] <b_> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[07:40] <b_> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[07:40] <b_> that package should be filed.
[07:40] <b_> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[07:40] <b_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:40] <b_>   firefox: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0) but it is not installable
[07:40] <b_>            Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not installable
[07:40] <abattoir> !paste > b_
[07:40] <b_>            Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2) but it is not installable
[07:40] <b_> E: Broken packages
[07:40] <b_> b@b-desktop:~$
[07:40] <kuzmaster> !flood
[07:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:40] <jmichaelx> xubuntu works ok on my AMD machine, but not great
[07:41] <jontec> Can anyone get onto the Kubuntu Wiki?
[07:43] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, i found this im my log thingy, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18669 (its only 3 lines), im gonna c if there is any folder in the folders that all the vm files are loacted
[07:43] <noiesmo> jontec, no it looks down
[07:43] <intelikey> i need to read the freenode page again.  does not being registered prevent dcc things ?
[07:43] <chemaja> whoop i think i broke it
[07:43] <chemaja> i was just browsing it before it must have been me ;-)
[07:43] <b_> intelikey ill try once this file starts downloading
[07:44] <jontec> dangit! lol. I was posting a new article on bridging connections and I think I'm gonna end up lose all two hours of the work.
[07:44] <jontec> and I'm definitely not writing it over.
[07:44] <b_> kk
[07:45] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, ill also post a part of my log thats complaining alot, hopfully you can understand it more than me
[07:45] <intelikey> b_ i can paste you the four lines you need in your /etc/apt/sources.list  if you can sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list   and paste them in.
[07:46] <b_> ok lets try
[07:46] <jmichaelx> israel is bombing cities again....
[07:47] <jmichaelx> sorry for the off-topic
[07:47] <aegeanlinux> :D perfectly OK jmichaelx
[07:47] <b_> wait inteli, wouldn't that be the same as managing repositories
[07:47] <aegeanlinux> it's good too see those sorts of things scroll past (sort of)
[07:47] <aegeanlinux> if you know what I mean
[07:47] <jmichaelx> yeah
[07:47] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, the part of the log that complains alot http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18670
[07:48] <jmichaelx> just sad that over a third of the casualties are kids
[07:48] <b_> that code you just sent me looks like it can be done threw adept by managing repositories, am i wrong
[07:48] <b_> ?
[07:48] <intelikey> b_ no you are correct.  it can be.
[07:49] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, u there?
[07:49] <intelikey> b_ i edit my sources.list by hand.  but you don't have to.   i like to keep things as KLEEN as possable.
[07:49] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: yeah, was reading
[07:51] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: i cant make anything out of that....i would hang on to your pastebin links and try to explain to the #vmware channel....i think i have run out of things to try...unless there are more files you can copy back and delete others
[07:51] <intelikey> too kleen some times  eeh Tsed ?    hehhe
[07:52] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: your system states are spread out through the multiple files (gathered from that link)....so you gotta figure out what you can delete (probably by trial and error)
[07:53] <Tsed> intelikey: Pardon?
[07:53] <intelikey> what would you use to monitor sshd  to see who and where is trying to connect and why they failed ?
[07:53] <PokerFacePenguin> intelikey: /var/log
[07:53] <intelikey> Tsed sorry,  didn't know you were busy.   just a referance to my missing symlinks
[07:54] <b_> nope srry did not work i managed  repos and edit cource and same problem
[07:54] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, ok, and ive tried in the vmware channel but no one is replying
[07:54] <intelikey> b_ did you  sudo apt-get update   ?
[07:54] <intelikey> have to update after changes to sources.list.
[07:55] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: i think you are gonna have to do it by trial and error then if no experts in that channel are steppin up....I don't think i got the answer for ya
[07:55] <Tsed> intelikey: Ahh.  & p. p. Apologized (?); p. pr. & vb. n. Apologizing.]  [Cf. F. apologiser.]  1. To make an apology or defense. Dr. H. More. 2. To make an apology or excuse; to make acknowledgment of some fault or offense, with expression of regret for it, by way of amends; -- with for; as, my correspondent apologized for not answering my letter. To apologize for his insolent language. Froude.
[07:58] <intelikey> Apologize /Apologize/, v. t. To defend. [Obs.]  The Christians . . . were apologized by Plinie. Dr. G. Benson.
[07:58] <intelikey> oh krap.  that posted to the channel didn't it
[07:58] <b_> i dunno i guess i just run into a lot of programs errors
[07:58] <b_> yes you did
[07:59] <intelikey> i have  adictionary script but i didn't think that command posted i thought that was the privet one.
[08:00] <b_> well i think this problem ive beeen having is ubuntus faults or the way my packets or being routed over the net
[08:00] <b_> its seems when i aptget update whatever command the update freezes on number 6
[08:01] <b_> so imma drop this for rightnow
[08:01] <Tsed> intelikey: Erk, uh. I was going to suggest maybe snort, but I have a feeling that'll be serious overkill.  I take it the ssh logs aren't sufficient?  Maybe just customizing the log output would help?
[08:02] <intelikey> b_ there have been problems with the us.ubuntu mirror today.    you could prepend  nl.  to each ubuntu line except security updates
[08:02] <intelikey> Tsed is the log turned off by default ?
[08:02] <intelikey> maybe i should edit /etc/ssh/*
[08:03] <b_> ill give it a few days mayube a reinstall to see if it finally works
[08:03] <Tsed> intelikey: Looks like it might be, yeah.
[08:04] <intelikey> b_ save your sources.list file  you can compare notes on it later.
[08:05] <intelikey> Tsed i can connect locally through ssh    does sshd_config have to have a "listen" line ?
[08:05] <intelikey> err listenaddress
[08:05] <intelikey> sorry.
[08:06] <Tsed> intelikey: Nope, the default config should allow remote connections, last I tried.
[08:07] <Tsed> intelikey: Yep, works fine by default here.
[08:07] <intelikey> k
[08:08] <Kadran> hi i have a strange problem!!
[08:08] <lafnlab> what would that be kadran?
[08:08] <intelikey> Q.   PermitEmptyPasswords no    if that was set to yes and i made a guest accound and did passwd -d guest   would guest be able to login without a passwd  or would all ?
[08:08] <Kadran> after a while the system is changing it's gateway, ipaddress, and delete the dns?
[08:08] <Tsed> intelikey: looks like sshd logs to /var/log/auth.log by default, for the record.
[08:08] <Kadran> who could that happen?
[08:09] <intelikey> jack
[08:09] <lafnlab> Kadran, are you using DSL? Why kind of networking do you have setup?
[08:10] <intelikey> because kind ?
[08:10] <Kadran> lafnlab: i have a DSL and this problem apeared when i requested a static IP from the isp
[08:10] <intelikey> <-- grammar nazi
[08:10] <Tsed> When password authentication is allowed, it specifies whether the server allows login to accounts with empty password strings.  The default is no. < Sounds like it's just users with blank passwords that would be okay.  That is, users still have to enter their passwords, it's just that it'll now allow users who have blank passwords to login.  Normally disallowing that as a security risk.
[08:11] <lafnlab> HMM. I have DSL, but a dynamic ip. Who is your ISP?
[08:12] <intelikey> tsed normally, yes.   on a nosuid system... prolly not.
[08:12] <intelikey> well fork bombs and the like would still be a risk
[08:13] <Kadran> lafnlab: it is an ISP in egypt, it was perfect with dynamic ip. what could be changeing it? i have the internet disconnected after a while and once i retype the dns , ip and gateway it comes normal
[08:13] <Kadran> it is even change the ip in a range that is not defined in the router ip address rang!
[08:14] <intelikey> what's this file   /usplash_fifo  ?
[08:14] <intelikey> nm i see.
[08:14] <lafnlab> Kadran, I was going to suggest http://www.dslreports.com/ but i don't think they have any Egyptian ISP's. How often does it rest the info?
[08:14] <lafnlab> ` rest the info?
[08:15] <lafnlab> reset the info
[08:15] <lafnlab> damn spelling
[08:15] <lafnlab> trying to type and smoke at the same time
[08:16] <Kadran> :D ok lafnlab, i just need a startpoint so i can know what is the problem, thanks alot i will check this site now
[08:16] <b_> is anyone familiar with nepenthes
[08:18] <intelikey> nepenthes - versatile tool to collect malware by emulating widespread vulnerabilities
[08:19] <b_> did you look that up? lol
[08:19] <intelikey> apt-cache search nepenthes
[08:19] <intelikey> detailed discript
[08:19] <intelikey>  Nepenthes is a low interaction honeypot which emulates known vulnerabilities
[08:19] <intelikey>  to collect information about potential attacks. It is designed to emulate
[08:19] <intelikey>  vulnerabilties worms use to spread, and to capture these worms. As there are
[08:19] <intelikey>  many possible ways for worms to spread, Nepenthes is modular. There are
[08:19] <intelikey>  module interface to
[08:20] <intelikey> from apt-cache show nepenthes
[08:21] <intelikey> b_ what do you want to know about it ?
[08:21] <Kadran> does any one know a command for changing the gateway and also to add dsn?
[08:22] <intelikey> Kadran ifconfig ?   i'm kinda network illiterate really.
[08:22] <b_> i was jsut wondering if anyone had it running under ku
[08:23] <b_> this is why i came to linux because my windows honeypot would be compromised in 10 mised so i had to reinstalled windows everyday
[08:23] <Kadran> intelikey: ifconfig eth0 ???
[08:23] <b_> i heard this is a good program just wondering if antyone had it running
[08:23] <Kadran> i couldn't understand the man page !!
[08:23] <Kadran> :D
[08:24] <b_> i dunno im 19 im currious about malware and how it spreads
[08:24] <b_> i also collect viruses dunno don;t ask
[08:25] <intelikey> Kadran i really don't know networking....    but it's something like    ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> up           ficonfig device address mask operation    i think.
[08:26] <farous> b_: did you search for this program in the repos check packages.ubuntu.com
[08:26] <intelikey> b_ you want to collect virii   run windows...  <shrugs/>
[08:26] <Kadran> yeah that's good, but i need a fast way to change the gateway, and add dns.
[08:26] <intelikey> farous i just posted from apt-cache on it.  there fore it's in the repos.
[08:26] <b_> i do run windows with linux on the side but i rather have my honeypot not compromised every 5 seconds
[08:27] <farous> intelikey: great sorry did not read your post
[08:27] <b_> yes i sudo the apt and the package wasnot found on repos
[08:27] <b_> so
[08:27] <b_> i had to download from their homepage
[08:27] <farous> b_: add the extra repos
[08:27] <farous> !easysource > b_
[08:27] <intelikey> b_ but you could not update your package database...
[08:27] <farous> check ubotu post
[08:28] <b_> lol thats where my problems began, i added to repos and hit apply but when i hit apply everything goes back to the gray shade
[08:28] <intelikey> farous b_ has my sources.list   but but but but....
[08:28] <farous> b_: gray i do not understand
[08:28] <test> can anybody tell me how to enable the gtk greeter in the login manager?
[08:29] <farous> sudo apt-get update in command line
[08:30] <b_> farous.. when you go to manage repos some lines are black which are enabled and others or gray which are disabled, when i try to enable ones that aare gray and hit apply, the lines i selected to enable go back to gray or disable
[08:31] <farous> b_: and how you do that through adept synaptic, which front end you use
[08:31] <b_> i think linux is telling me hey you wanna mess with viruses go back to windows keep that crap away from us
[08:31] <b_> lol
[08:31] <intelikey> b_ i can repost the repos if needed.  if you want to close adept and edit /etc/apt/sources.list   then do the  sudo apt-get update   command.
[08:31] <farous> b_: are you using a text editor and editing the file directly
[08:32] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[08:32] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[08:32] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[08:32] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main universe
[08:32] <intelikey> complements of   /exec -o grep -v '#' /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:32] <farous> intelikey: it is wiser to use the pastebin for that
[08:32] <b_> man you guys are so kind
[08:32] <b_> why are you so helpful
[08:32] <b_> lol
[08:33] <intelikey> yeah i know.  four lines is a lot if the channel is busy.
[08:33] <b_> farous i manage repos threw adept
[08:33] <farous> intelikey: it is good though for i did not know there were a restricted repos
[08:33] <farous> \:)
[08:33] <intelikey> :)
[08:34] <farous> b_: you might try editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file directly
[08:34] <intelikey> actually there are a few more.  but that pretty much covers anything you will ever need in *buntu
[08:35] <b_> im trying that again rightnow
 b_: you might try editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file directly  <--- like i said 4 times now.....
[08:35] <farous> intelikey: so is restricted simialr to non-free in debian?
[08:35] <b_> i know you did and i tried it
[08:35] <intelikey> yeah
[08:35] <farous> cool
[08:36] <intelikey> err actually no    yes and no.  it's way short of that but simular
[08:38] <farous> intelikey: lol i have restricted in my sources.list seems though i never seemed to use it :)
[08:38] <b_> ok etc/apt/sources.list would be in the same directory as system:/media/hda1/etc/apt am i wrong
[08:39] <intelikey> ?
[08:39] <farous> b_: ? what are you trying to edit are you editing a cdrom
[08:39] <intelikey>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:39] <b_> no trying to figure out where etc/apt is
[08:40] <b_> that owuld be under system:/media/hda1/etc/apt
[08:40] <intelikey> file:///etc/apt/sources.list
[08:40] <intelikey> no  /
[08:40] <farous> it is the same as intelikey posted
[08:40] <intelikey>   /
[08:40] <b_> good damnit i need a book
[08:40] <farous> under the root dir /
[08:40] <intelikey>  ////////
[08:40] <farous> b_: just type gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list in a terminal
[08:40] <intelikey> gedit on kubuntu ?
[08:40] <farous> ok kwrite
[08:41] <intelikey> gksudo for that matter ?>
[08:41] <farous> intelikey: i like to mix
[08:41] <intelikey> kdesu kate
[08:41] <intelikey> hehhe  or sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:41] <intelikey> that's generic
[08:42] <farous> intelikey: not all people specially new users like nano
[08:42] <intelikey> liking and using are not synonamus
[08:42] <farous> but you are right i should have used the kde way
[08:42] <b_> b@b-desktop:~$ gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:42] <b_> bash: gksudo: command not found
[08:42] <b_> hahahhaha
[08:43] <farous> b_: use the line posted by intelikey
[08:43] <intelikey> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:43] <farous> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:43] <intelikey> :)
[08:43] <intelikey> insist on a gui don't we !
[08:43] <farous> :)
[08:43] <intelikey> lol
[08:44] <farous> intelikey: newbies "which i think new users is better term" are used to it and like it more
[08:44] <intelikey> sudo kill -9 -1      big boy !
[08:44] <intelikey> :)
[08:45] <intelikey> dat'll fix ya up.
[08:45] <b_> ahahha
[08:45] <crimsun> anyone using a ThinkPad with the UK keymap?
[08:46] <intelikey> crimsun will you be around for a bit ?
[08:46] <farous> now that is a new one. i am connected to the net through irc but no other connection is possible they are blocked sowmhow?
[08:46] <crimsun> intelikey: somewhat; I'm preoccupied w/ configuring a Kubuntu install atm
[08:47] <intelikey> crimsun k, nm
[08:47] <intelikey> it's not important.
[08:47] <intelikey> farous iptables -L
[08:47] <Tsed> farous: Well, new users may not like nano, but at least it's definitely installed. :)
[08:48] <farous> Tsed: :)
[08:48] <intelikey> Tsed yup  unless i set it up    lol
[08:48] <farous> intelikey: i think it is my router
[08:48] <intelikey> oh not local to that box,  i see.
[08:48] <Tsed> And hell, at least we're not throwing vi at 'em/ ;)
[08:48] <farous> by the way i run fluxbox or ion with a mix from gnome and kde :)
[08:48] <intelikey> yeah
[08:48] <intelikey> twm
[08:49] <intelikey> farous twm
[08:49] <b_> ok i just edited the source, and saved
[08:49] <farous> Tsed: yet better go with what people are familar with
[08:49] <b_> update now?
[08:49] <farous> intelikey: twm ?
[08:49] <b_> or sudo something
[08:49] <intelikey> sudo apt-get update
[08:49] <farous> intelikey:  ah your window manager ok
[08:49] <intelikey> twm = tiny window manager    the main stay for XFree back in the day.
[08:50] <farous> give me a min to fix this stupid router
[08:50] <intelikey> if you only had X you had twm  any other wm was optional
[08:50] <wired> yo
[08:50] <wired> anyone awake?
[08:50] <b_> no
[08:50] <intelikey> no
[08:50] <b_> lol
[08:51] <wired> hmm
[08:51] <wired> Hey I need to get wine installed, and I seem to be having problems
[08:51] <intelikey> let me guess you are wired ?
[08:51] <wired> I've used adept to add in the repository, and it just cant seem to find it >_<
[08:51] <wired> Yea, I'm very wired.
[08:52] <farous_> was the router allright
[08:52] <wired> I'm new at this, what do I do with that
[08:53] <b_> well it helped sorta, it still stuck on that one sever that gave me problems earlier
[08:53] <intelikey> sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt     but i don't think you got it....   better look first.
[08:53] <intelikey> b_ which ?
[08:53] <wired> status receiving. may be blocked, I'm on a network and I dont have access to ports
[08:53] <farous_> b_: it might be a bad mirror
[08:54] <b_> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:54] <b_> strange
[08:54] <intelikey> wired i can post it.
[08:54] <wired> k
[08:54] <b_> even thouigh i have this problem with this one server im explained over and over
[08:54] <b_> i finally got the apt-get install nepenthes command to work
[08:54] <b_> of course with sudo in front
[08:54] <intelikey> farous i just did a full update on that sources.list
[08:54] <farous_> b_: can you post the error
[08:55] <b_> yeah if it would actually let me highlight the ip address
[08:56] <farous_> b_: can you post the error you read just copy and paste it
[08:56] <b_> yesss nepenthes finally installed but still not firefox
[08:56] <farous_> intelikey: might be a gpg warning
[08:56] <wired> hmm
[08:56] <wired> I'm trying to get this computer setup to play wow -_-;;
[08:56] <b_> farous.....
[08:57] <wolfmanz> is there a problem with the repositories? i'm trying to get some stuff from adept and it can seem to download anything..
[08:57] <b_> it lets me highlight the error but after like a tenth of a second the highlight will dissapear on me
[08:57] <b_> sorry
[08:57] <farous_> b_: ok
[08:58] <farous_> b_: try running apt-get update again and see if this fix it
[08:58] <farous_> sudo apt-get update
[08:58] <wired> I cant send private messages to you Intel
[08:58] <b_> ii am rightnow, after i installed nepenthes it gave an error say duplicated source.list entry please run yada yada yada
[08:58] <wired> but when I type that command up is it supposed to open a program called Kate?
[08:59] <intelikey> wired yes i know.
[08:59] <intelikey> yes it is.
[08:59] <wired> ok
[08:59] <wired> and when I copy/paste what you sent me, is it all supposed to be on seperate lines? Or leave it how it pastes in
[08:59] <intelikey> kate is a text editor for the kde system
[09:00] <b_> sudo apt-get update right
[09:00] <farous_> b_: so you just have a duplicated line in your sources.list file which not a big prob
[09:00] <intelikey> seperate lines.   the long breaks are new lines.   only four lines.
[09:00] <b_> eroor lol E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:00] <b_> its ok though i got what i wanted
[09:00] <intelikey> b_ that means that adept is running
[09:01] <farous_> b_: if you have adept open or update notifier you get this err
[09:01] <intelikey> or some package manager.   only one at a time.
[09:01] <b_> apperently is i have update noto in taskbar
[09:01] <b_> as i have***
[09:01] <wired> hmm still cant find it
[09:02] <intelikey> you did the update ?
[09:02] <wired> yea
[09:02] <intelikey> no errors ?
[09:02] <wired> sudo apt-get update
[09:02] <wired> none that I could see for the update
[09:02] <wired> heres the command I used - adpt-get install wine
[09:02] <intelikey> ok and then you did what ?
[09:02] <wired> right/wrong?
[09:02] <intelikey> apt-get
[09:02] <wired> yea
[09:03] <wired> I mistyped it here
[09:03] <wired> apt-get
[09:03] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install wine
[09:03] <wired> eading package lists... Done
[09:03] <wired> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:03] <intelikey> or use your adept now.  seeing you have the repos setup.
[09:03] <wired> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:04] <wired> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:04] <wired> is only available from another source
[09:04] <wired> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[09:04] <wired> root@Skullthrone:~# sudo apt-get install wine
[09:04] <intelikey> no it's there.
[09:04] <wired> Reading package lists... Done
[09:04] <wired> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:04] <wired> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:04] <wired> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:04] <wired> is only available from another source
[09:04] <wired> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[09:04] <wired> ack sorry
[09:04] <wired> not showing in adept either
[09:05] <intelikey> your sources.list did save in /etc/apt correct ?
[09:05] <intelikey> cat /etc/apt/sources.list  and see if it looks richt
[09:05] <aliasfred> hmmm from the help here, i could say that providing easier repository check/registration would be important
[09:05] <aliasfred> a lot of people spend time handling this sources.list
[09:06] <intelikey> aliasfred there is a mirror down atm.
[09:06] <aliasfred> ah ok, this clearly doesnt help
[09:06] <wired> hmm
[09:06] <aliasfred> but still, this repository stuff is not a new issue
[09:06] <intelikey> the us.mirror is down and we are bypassing it.
[09:06] <intelikey> and no its not.
[09:07] <farous_> now that is frustrating am trying to change to my reg nick but it say it is taken. by me as i was disconnected and reconnected again :(
[09:07] <aliasfred> this explain why wiki.kubuntu.org is down too :)
[09:07] <wired> ok
[09:07] <wired> hang on
[09:07] <b_> if i sudo apt-get install nepenthes where might i find it once installed
[09:07] <intelikey> /msg nickserv recover <nick> <passwd>
[09:08] <farous> thanx intelikey
[09:08] <intelikey> b_ /usr/bin/  most likely.
[09:08] <wired> I cant tell if it looks right or not
[09:08] <wired> head hurts >_<
[09:08] <intelikey> four lines without # at the front of them ?
[09:09] <farous> b_: type which nepenthes
[09:09] <wired> where should they be at
[09:09] <wired> cus I have a huge list which isnt very clear
[09:10] <farous> b_: it should have entry in the menus too
[09:10] <b_> no there is none in the menu
[09:10] <intelikey> wired you edited the file ....    i sujested you clear it first, i have no idea what you have.    it should be four lines.  but can have lots of   # commentes in it.
[09:11] <b_> it is located in sbin under usr just seems non executable
[09:11] <wired> ah ok
[09:11] <wired> sorry hang on let me repeat the instructions
[09:11] <wired> how do you clear the file?
[09:11] <farous> b_: what is this prog for
[09:11] <intelikey> sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list    is the sure way.
[09:11] <b_> malware collection
[09:12] <intelikey> farous diging worms
[09:12] <farous> and you can use adept or type dpkg -L progname to see what files were installed or man progname
[09:12] <b_> botnets
[09:12] <b_> whatever you wanna call them
[09:12] <farous> ok
[09:13] <intelikey> well i'm on call.   and that was a call.   gtg
[09:13] <draik> Hello everyone
[09:14] <draik> I'm new to Linux... I'm using Kubuntu 6.06
[09:14] <farous> hi draik
[09:15] <draik> Is there a recommended book/URL/etc for learning at least the basics of Linux and Kubuntu 6.06?
[09:15] <draik> Hello farous
[09:15] <farous> draik: help.ubuntu.com
[09:15] <draik> thank you farous
[09:15] <farous> :)
[09:16] <draik> I had one issue a few days ago...
[09:17] <draik> I was playing with various Splash Screens from KDE-look.org
[09:17] <wired> gah still wont find it
[09:17] <draik> I was using a few of them to figure out which would work...
[09:17] <draik> The error I was getting was...
[09:18] <draik> "No background. Try to put a Background.jpg in the theme folder"
[09:18] <draik> Any clues???
[09:18] <confused> how do I get the g1+g2 networks to connect in shareaza with wine?
[09:21] <wired> hmm  ok I got those in as repositories
[09:21] <wired> still wont find it!
[09:21] <wired> >_<
[09:25] <wired> ok
[09:25] <wired> lemme start over
[09:26] <wired> I'm trying to download wine, and it doesnt seem to want to let me find it o.o
[09:26] <abattoir> wired: through adept?
[09:26] <wired> Abattoir: yea. I added on the repository from the winehq website and it refuses to look it up
[09:26] <wolfmanz> i think they are having issues with the repositories when using adept
[09:27] <wolfmanz> i have the same issues here
[09:27] <abattoir> last i heard ubuntu us reps were down.... but later it was said that the issue was resolved
[09:27] <abattoir> but he seems to have a winehq rep, not an ubuntu one
[09:28] <wired> yea
[09:28] <abattoir> wired: have you tried pinging the repo?
[09:28] <wolfmanz> i still cant download things from adept
[09:28] <abattoir> wolfmanz: us?
[09:28] <abattoir> wolfmanz: you can change from the us mirror to something else...
[09:28] <wolfmanz> i'm getting waitting for headers and nothing shows up
[09:29] <wired> havnt tried that yet
[09:30] <abattoir> wolfmanz: have you tried changing the mirror?
[09:30] <wolfmanz> no i was just gonna leave it it will be fixed by the time i wake up lol
[09:30] <wired> let me make sure the context is right
[09:30] <wired> ping http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt  ?
[09:30] <wired> or is it different
[09:31] <abattoir> yup
[09:31] <abattoir> i get unknown host
[09:31] <wired> so do I
[09:31] <wired> so theirs is down too? o.o
[09:31] <abattoir> so try a different mirror
[09:32] <_rince_> mrgn
[09:32] <cpk2> just delete us. from any entry in sources.list
[09:32] <wired> hang on
[09:32] <abattoir> wired: any other mirror is listed?
[09:32] <wired> they dont list ad iff mirror on their website
[09:32] <wired> but
[09:32] <wired> I found it on sourceforge
[09:32] <wired> gimme a sec
[09:33] <abattoir> wired: you want a later version than what comes w/ dapper?
[09:33] <wired> fudge
[09:34] <wired> apparently it doesnt like amd64 -_-
[09:34] <wired> which is the version I'm using
[09:34] <abattoir> wired: heh, wine is 32-bit windows apps.... :P
[09:34] <wired> yea -_-
[09:34] <abattoir> you can run it under a chroot though
[09:34] <wired> ?
[09:35] <wired> well I'm going to work on this later
[09:35] <wired> my head is about to splode
[09:35] <wired> from something else earlier today
[09:35] <wired> thanks for the help
[09:35] <abattoir> heh, ok
[09:36] <abattoir> wired: take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575&highlight=32+bit+chroot later
[10:03] <^^FLAViO^^> hi to all
[10:22] <Loki1989> has anyone tried using the easy ubuntu yet
[10:22] <ironfroggy> yes
[10:23] <londondave> whats easy ubuntu?
[10:24] <Jack12> hi
[10:24] <Loki1989> I am trying to get it up no but it stops at get 6 or seven and doesnt update everything because of a time out
[10:24] <Jack12> got someone a sony ericsson mobile and dapper to get synchronized?
[10:25] <Jack12> experience with that?
[10:25] <Jack12> eg the sony musicplayer mobile or the k800i
[10:26] <Loki1989> hmm
[10:26] <Loki1989> i have yet to figure out how to get amarok to play mp3's
[10:26] <admiral_proFTW> !restricted formats
[10:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:26] <admiral_proFTW> Loki1989, check that out
[10:27] <Loki1989> i am
[10:27] <Loki1989> my connections time out on easy update
[10:28] <Loki1989> ubuntu
[10:28] <Loki1989> easy ubuntu
[10:29] <admiral_proFTW> Loki1989, kubuntu-dapper?
[10:29] <Loki1989> yeah brand new
[10:30] <Loki1989> installed today
[10:30] <londondave> Loki1989: you need the codecs for mp3
[10:30] <admiral_proFTW> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[10:30] <Loki1989> yeah i have been trying for a while
[10:30] <admiral_proFTW> i think is the command
[10:30] <admiral_proFTW> time out?
[10:30] <admiral_proFTW> as in, at that step, do you time out
[10:30] <Loki1989> that command doesnt work
[10:31] <admiral_proFTW> Loki1989, also check this out
[10:31] <admiral_proFTW> !automatix
[10:31] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[10:31] <admiral_proFTW> automatix is great
[10:31] <cpk2> changing someones password in system settings > users and groups doesnt seem to work?
[10:31] <Loki1989> what is that ??
[10:31] <londondave> Loki1989: you need to set the repositories that have the package
[10:31] <admiral_proFTW> !repos
[10:31] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:32] <admiral_proFTW> check out the repositories part
[10:33] <admiral_proFTW> you'll want to add the universe and multiverse
[10:33] <admiral_proFTW> and that should give you about 18K packages
[10:34] <Loki1989> !repos
[10:34] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:34] <Loki1989> ??
[10:35] <Rede> i updated my kernel via adept, but when i boot using it it hangs when KDE usually loads and shows me the black kubuntu screen. i've just been manually choosing the older one to use my desktop but i was wondering if someone knows what I can do to fix it.
[10:38] <admiral_proFTW> Loki1989, in a konsole type "sudo gedit /etc/apt/souces.list
[10:39] <admiral_proFTW> !paste
[10:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:41] <admiral_proFTW> Loki1989, got that last part?
[10:42] <Loki1989> working on getting automatix
[10:42] <admiral_proFTW> ah okay
[10:42] <Loki1989> its installing
[10:43] <Loki1989> 99%
[10:43] <admiral_proFTW> after it installs, let me know
[10:43] <admiral_proFTW> don't run it yet
[10:43] <Loki1989> i will
[10:46] <Loki1989> this take a while
[10:47] <admiral_proFTW> yea it does
[10:54] <Loki1989> it's done
[10:54] <admiral_proFTW> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:54] <admiral_proFTW> in a konsole
[10:55] <Loki1989> k
[10:55] <Loki1989> what am I looking for
[10:55] <Loki1989> or doing
[10:55] <Loki1989>  i did that
[10:56] <Loki1989> admiral
[10:56] <Loki1989> ??
[10:57] <admiral_proFTW> okay
[10:57] <admiral_proFTW> replace that
[10:57] <Loki1989> and
[10:57] <Loki1989> ??
[10:57] <admiral_proFTW> with http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18675
[10:57] <admiral_proFTW> that
[10:58] <Loki1989> ok was it supposed to create a word file
[10:59] <admiral_proFTW> its supposed to be saved as your sources.list
[10:59] <Loki1989> ok
[11:00] <Loki1989> well it opened in kate
[11:01] <stanks> hi
[11:01] <Loki1989> i am suppoed to copy wich part
[11:01] <stanks> i have a problem recording audio with xdtv
[11:01] <stanks> movie is ok but i don't have audio
[11:02] <stanks> any idea
[11:02] <stanks> i try every input, capture but no audio
[11:02] <thygrrr> Hi, what might have caused it that my sources.list was populated with australian servers by default?!
[11:03] <Loki1989> hey admiral i pasted it over now what
[11:05] <cpk2> !flashplayer
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[11:05] <Database> !sata
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[11:05] <aegeanlinux> !santa
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[11:05] <aegeanlinux> !porn
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[11:05] <Database> Heh.
[11:05] <flaccid_> !linux
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[11:06] <flaccid_> !debian
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[11:06] <Database> OK, can I ask a (seemingly common) question, please?
[11:06] <flaccid_> cool
[11:06] <aegeanlinux> !the naked woman lying naked near the beach three meters away from my house who are just **such HOTTIES!**
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[11:06] <aegeanlinux> !myself
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[11:07] <aegeanlinux> !you. Apart that your crazy!
[11:07] <ubotu> I know nothing about you. Apart that your crazy! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:07] <Loki1989> !anything
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[11:07] <Database> !the strange people that ask my questions. Now, listen to Database.
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[11:07] <aegeanlinux> !n00bs
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[11:07] <aegeanlinux> !aztun
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[11:08] <aegeanlinux> aztun: G'day, seems like you have a clean record :P (jokes)
[11:08] <kraut> moin
[11:08] <flaccid_> !flaccid
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[11:08] <thygrrr> What might have caused it that my sources.list was populated with australian servers by default?! I'm pretty sure I chose english/german as the default language and locale.
[11:09] <flaccid_> !how flaccid, flaccid can get...
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[11:09] <thygrrr> argh
[11:09] <thygrrr> Ok, it's English (Australia). I stink.
[11:09] <aegeanlinux> !the robber that broke in last week. Don't search me. No not there!
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[11:09] <Database> I have a 120gb SATA drive with WinDoze XP and Kubuntu Linux (Dapper). After manually jacking GRUB off my BOOT.INI (Kubuntu-install didn't install it.), I get a "Disk Read Error" and some floppy drive noise after attempting to boot. I've checked everything out and it sees the partition correctly.
[11:13] <Database> !cheese
[11:13] <ubotu> I know nothing about cheese - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:13] <Database> !grub
[11:13] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:15] <Fjodor> Hi. Does anyone have amd64 or source debs for kopete-0.12.1?
[11:15] <Database> Uhhhh...check the repositories?
[11:16] <Fjodor> Database: Highest is 0.11.something. Found 0.12.0 debs, but it has issues with ICQ which are fixed in 0.12.1
[11:16] <Database> Fair enough :)
[11:16] <Fjodor> Database: But thanks
[11:17] <Database> You're very welcome.
[11:17] <Database> I try to help.
[11:17] <Fjodor> Database: Nice of you
[11:17] <Database> Also, have you seen a Hobbsee anywhere?
[11:17] <Fjodor> No, sorry
[11:17] <Database> Damn.
[11:17] <Database> She's my friend from Oz, and she's a Kubuntu dev :P
[11:19] <flaccid__> really
[11:19] <flaccid__> thats sick
[11:19] <flaccid__> can i have her phone number
[11:20] <flaccid__> a chick in australia that can do IT, amazing
[11:20] <Jack12> i have too email adresses in kmail, one works the other keeps telling me that:
[11:20] <Jack12> Sending failed:
[11:20] <Jack12> The server did not accept the sender address
[11:20] <ralf> hi, if I'm trying to install packages with KPackage (klick on install), it just keeps me asking about the root pw
[11:20] <Jack12> he server responded: "5.7.0 {mp004} Sender address does not belong to logged in user"
[11:20] <Jack12> The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox' folder.
[11:20] <Jack12> The following transport protocol was used:
[11:20] <flaccid__> Jack12: is the dest. address hotmail?
[11:21] <Jack12> then there is the other email address..so it uses for some reason the wrong to send it
[11:21] <Jack12> no <flaccid__>  gmx
[11:21] <flaccid__> ah it uses the wrong account to send?
[11:21] <Database> flaccid: No, you may not have her number,a s I don't know it and I think she's taken anyhow.
[11:22] <Jack12> i have too the first works fine, but it tries to use for the second the same transport protocol as for the first one and then it doesnt send
[11:22] <Jack12> flaccid__> i cannot understand why
[11:22] <Jack12> and how to set it up right flaccid__>
[11:26] <flaccid__> Database: yeah sorry br0, was a joke
[11:26] <Database> I know :)
[11:27] <flaccid__> i don't think i can help sorry Jack
[11:31] <Jack12> The server responded: "5.7.0 {mp017} Sender address does not belong to logged in user"
[11:31] <Jack12> The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox' folder.
[11:31] <Jack12> The following transport protocol was used:
[11:31] <Jack12> can someone help
[11:43] <ravel> my Kubuntu 6.06 (upgraded from 5.10) is very unstable, should i reinstall everything?
[11:44] <rraphink> ravel: install 6.06
[11:44] <rraphink> :)
[11:45] <rraphink> so you use this opportunity to upgrade
[11:45] <rraphink> :)
[11:45] <pradeepto> hi all
[11:45] <rraphink> hi pradeepto
[11:45] <pradeepto> Can anybody please help me understand why dist-upgrading would downgrade the kernel?
[11:46] <pradeepto> hey rraphink :)
[11:46] <rraphink> downgrade the kernel?
[11:46] <pradeepto> yup, sec
[11:46] <pradeepto> rraphink: I am running 6.06 on this box.
[11:47] <rraphink> ok
[11:47] <pradeepto> yesterday I did a dist-upgrade.
[11:47] <pradeepto> rraphink: the kernel version is/was
[11:47] <pradeepto> pradeepto@shyamoli:~$ uname -r
[11:47] <pradeepto> 2.6.15-25-386
[11:47] <rraphink> mhm
[11:47] <pradeepto> rraphink: now after I did the upgrade
[11:47] <pradeepto> pradeepto@shyamoli:~$ apt-cache policy linux-image-386
[11:47] <pradeepto> linux-image-386:
[11:47] <pradeepto>   Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:48] <pradeepto>   Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:48] <pradeepto>   Version table:
[11:48] <pradeepto>  *** <IP_ADDRESS> 0
[11:48] <pradeepto>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Packages
[11:48] <pradeepto>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[11:48] <pradeepto>      <IP_ADDRESS> 0
[11:48] <pradeepto>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[11:48] <pradeepto> sorry
[11:48] <rraphink> hmmm
[11:49] <rraphink> pradeepto: <IP_ADDRESS> is NEWER than 2.6.15-25 ;)
[11:49] <rraphink> unless you type wrong
[11:49] <pradeepto> rraphink: the logs and archives (in /var) tell me that .26 or somethine was downloaded
[11:49] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone
[11:49] <slow-motion> hallo
[11:49] <rraphink> hi MilhousePunkRock && slow-motion
[11:49] <slow-motion> hi rraphink
[11:49] <pradeepto> rraphink: how come?
[11:49] <raphink> pradeepto: "." != "-"
[11:49] <raphink> ;)
[11:49] <piotrek> hi, how can i play mp3 and divx movies under kubuntu?
[11:50] <pradeepto> !mp3
[11:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:50] <piotrek> i was searching in the google, and i have do a lot of things but i still have problems
[11:50] <pradeepto> piotrek: ^^^^
[11:50] <raphink> pradeepto: "." is used within a version definition (upstream, revision, etc.) whereas "-" is used to separate upstream version from debian revision
[11:50] <MilhousePunkRock> When I suspend my Laptop to RAM and wake it up again, the TrackPoint ( = mouse) does not work anymore
[11:50] <raphink> pradeepto: so that <IP_ADDRESS> is an upstream verison whereas 2.6.15-25 is the 25th debian revision of version 2.6.15
[11:51] <pradeepto> raphink: oh, so this was stupidest question ever :P
[11:51] <raphink> so unless you typed it wrong, <IP_ADDRESS> is newer than 2.6.15-25
[11:51] <ravel> rraphink, so you think that reinstalling 6.06 will fix problems? that's like Windows...
[11:51] <raphink> ravel: no I don't say that
[11:51] <raphink> ravel: but if you're considering reinstall, then install 6.06 instead of 5.10 :p
[11:51] <raphink> or just upgrade
[11:51] <pradeepto> raphink: nope I didnot type wrong, I copy pasted that from my console.
[11:52] <raphink> pradeepto: why then you h ave your answer
[11:52] <raphink> pradeepto: a way to know it is to use dpkg --compare-versions
[11:53] <pradeepto> hmmm thanks :)
[11:53] <raphink> dpkg --compare versions 2.6.15-25 lt <IP_ADDRESS> && echo "y" || echo "n"
[11:53] <raphink> will say "y" if -25 is under .24
[11:53] <raphink> and "n" otherwise
[11:53] <raphink> sorry
[11:53] <raphink> dpkg --compare-versions 2.6.15-25 lt <IP_ADDRESS> && echo "y" || echo "n"
[11:53] <raphink> there
[11:53] <raphink> ;)
[11:53] <MilhousePunkRock> Any Kubuntuusers on a laptop here with working power management?
[11:54] <pradeepto> raphink: yup got that :)
[11:54] <raphink> MilhousePunkRock: well many people use laptops, so it depends what laptop you have
[11:54] <pradeepto> raphink: I got a 'y' .
[11:54] <MilhousePunkRock> IBM ThinkPad T23
[11:54] <pradeepto> MilhousePunkRock: I am on TP 42
[11:55] <MilhousePunkRock> Is the power management working for you?
[11:55] <pradeepto> raphink: yup
[11:55] <pradeepto> sorry
[11:55] <pradeepto> MilhousePunkRock: yup its working for my.
[11:55] <pradeepto> me even
[11:55] <piotrek> pradeepto: "Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[11:56] <piotrek> pradeepto: i was trying to install mp3 support
[11:56] <pradeepto> piotrek: so install the other package. :)
[11:56] <pradeepto> raphink: ping
[11:56] <piotrek> what other?
[11:57] <raphink> pradeepto: wait
[11:57] <raphink> pradeepto: so you got your answer
[11:58] <pradeepto> raphink: yes, I re-read what you said. Thanks.
[11:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Suspending and waking up works, even the WLAN connects again, but the cursor is frozen
[11:58] <MilhousePunkRock> pradeepto ^^
[11:58] <pradeepto> ummm
[11:59] <Shannon1> hi everyone
[11:59] <pradeepto> MilhousePunkRock: what do you do "suspend" to ram or to disk?
[12:00] <MilhousePunkRock> I've been told, it's a known X problem
[12:00] <MilhousePunkRock> To RAM, pradeepto
[12:00] <pradeepto> Shannon1: hi
[12:00] <Shannon1> can anyon ehelp me with an adept problem,, it doesnt want to update, always waiting for headers,, can an install get broken and how can I fix it ,,
[12:00] <MilhousePunkRock> To Disk seems to work, but than it shuts down and I wouldnt know how to revive it...
[12:00] <pradeepto> MilhousePunkRock: ummm I wonder why? it works at my end almost perfectly.
[12:00] <ravel> raphink, of course I would install 6.06, I am not planning on downgrading anything
[12:00] <Shannon1> hi pradeepto
[12:01] <raphink> ravel: oh I say that because you said you had 5.10 ;)
[12:01] <MilhousePunkRock> I googled for that, everything I found for a T23 was "ACPI does not work"
[12:01] <pradeepto> oh!!!
[12:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Is there a command for X that reloads the modules, like "ifdown ath0 && ifup ath0" for the WLAN?
[12:03] <MilhousePunkRock> Becaus the machine itself it responsive after waking up, I can restart X with Ctrl-Backspace and the mouse it alive again
[12:03] <MilhousePunkRock> pradeepto: Which ACPI application do you use? KBattery? KPowersave?
[12:04] <pradeepto> MilhousePunkRock: whatever comes with Settings module in Kubuntu :)
[12:04] <pradeepto> MilhousePunkRock: I don't experiment much at all with my boxes.
[12:04] <MilhousePunkRock> Maybe I need to roll back to that... I installed KPowersave but now there are no settings for Laptop & Battery anymore...
[12:05] <pradeepto> that's what I use on my box. Used it even on Breezy.
[12:06] <MilhousePunkRock> At first I was mistaking Standby and Suspend... I thought Standby was what I wanted, but in fact it's Suspend to RAM
[12:08] <ravel> raphink, no I didn't... I said I had upgraded from 5.10
[12:09] <ravel> generally, is reinstalling a good idea? I haven't consciously messed anything up, but the unstability of many programs is alarming
[12:11] <vassilis> I "accidentally" tried to upgrade to kde 3.5.3 through adept in kde and now apt-get is locked
[12:11] <vassilis> (and of course kde wasn't updated)
[12:11] <vassilis> can anyone help me?
[12:13] <thygrrr> please point me in the right direction how to format an external usb drive in kubuntu... there was a nice gui based way in ubuntu, I can't find the analog in kubuntu :(
[12:14] <thygrrr> !format drive
[12:14] <ubotu> I know nothing about format drive - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:14] <BigAl> Hi
[12:15] <BigAl> is anyone up for a challenge? :)
[12:15] <vassilis> at least tell me how to kill aptitude
[12:16] <vassilis> (or shouldn't I?)
[12:16] <Tm_T> BigAl: it depends what kind of challence
[12:16] <Tm_T> nge
[12:16] <BigAl> Ok, i'll give some detail on what's happened:
[12:17] <BigAl> I installed an NX server as per this guide: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204976&highlight=nxserver (see second thread)
[12:17] <Tm_T> and?
[12:18] <BigAl> Once the server was setup, I tried the client on the same machine
[12:18] <BigAl> and logged into a second session
[12:18] <aegeanlinux> brb all - taking network cable out ~ 10 mins
[12:18] <BigAl> everything was going fine until I made the client run at fullscreen by accident
[12:19] <BigAl> i was trying to minimise the client to close it, but i couldn't, so I tried to log off (the client)
[12:19] <BigAl> then my machine crashed
[12:19] <BigAl> I tried to reboot, but it froze during startup
[12:20] <Tm_T> BigAl: crash is always fun :)
[12:20] <ravel> ...because I don't want to reinstall for nothing
[12:20] <BigAl> ie on the boot screen when kubuntu initiates hardware etc
[12:20] <BigAl> haha
[12:20] <Tm_T> BigAl: ok, so, something got messed up in your system, what's last lines before freeze?
[12:20] <BigAl> anyhoo, kubuntu doesn't crash when it's starting, ti just stops booting
[12:21] <BigAl> last line is:
[12:21] <Tm_T> starting services?
[12:21] <BigAl> running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local) OK
[12:21] <Tm_T> hm
[12:21] <BigAl> then nothing
[12:21] <Tm_T> smells like nxserver freezes
[12:22] <BigAl> i restarted in safe mode or whatever it is called, ran 'startx' and logged on as root
[12:22] <Tm_T> noooooo
[12:22] <BigAl> uninstalled nxserver, client and node
[12:22] <Tm_T> never log in to X as root
[12:22] <BigAl> oh, sorry.....
[12:22] <BigAl> i just did it to unintsall
[12:22] <Tm_T> you can uninstall from cli
[12:22] <BigAl> apt-get......
[12:22] <BigAl> yeah
[12:22] <BigAl> i was panicing
[12:22] <Tm_T> yes, or aptitude or whatever you prefer
[12:22] <BigAl> :(
[12:23] <Tm_T> BigAl: no harm done I believe
[12:23] <Tm_T> but it's bad habit ;)
[12:23] <Lynoure> hi ravel
[12:23] <BigAl> anyway, after having removed the apps i tried to log on again as usual
[12:23] <BigAl> i don't normally run as root lol
[12:24] <Tm_T> good :)
[12:24] <BigAl> anyway, it didn't make a difference
[12:24] <Lynoure> ravel: What do you mean by unstable? It actually crashes? Have you examined the logs? Found any patterns to it?
[12:24] <Tm_T> agh
[12:24] <BigAl> it still stops on boot
[12:24] <carlosmiras> hello people, i need some help
[12:24] <carlosmiras> can anyone help me?
[12:24] <BigAl> and i'm kinda out of ideas...... i assume that nxsrver has screwed up some startup script or something
[12:24] <Tm_T> BigAl: hmh, there's some logs I believe, though not sure if those get overwritten in reboot
[12:25] <Tm_T> BigAl: I'm guessing exactly the same
[12:25] <BigAl> ;)
[12:25] <Gioacchino> !kernel
[12:25] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[12:25] <BigAl> i have ideas, but i'm a n00b and don't know how to implement them :)
[12:25] <carlosmiras> i have kubuntu in my system and i am very new on it... i need to write in arabic but i cannot set it up
[12:26] <ravel> lynoure, actually, the system itself is (very) stable but I am annoyed by KDE/kubuntu components crashing quite often - knotify, konqueror, kicker and so on, I can't see any pattern
[12:26] <thygrrr> !kde
[12:26] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[12:27] <BigAl> so... if i managed to get some log files from start up, do you think that would point us in the right direction?
[12:27] <Lynoure> ravel: try backing up your .kde , removing the old one and seeing if that helps.
[12:28] <Tm_T> BigAl: maybe, atleast it might tell exactly the last thing it does right
[12:28] <MilhousePunkRock> !ACPI
[12:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about ACPI - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:28] <BigAl> cool
[12:28] <BigAl> if we then knew the sequence we could work out what was hanging up
[12:29] <ravel> lynoure, practically renaming it? :-)
[12:30] <Lynoure> ravel: yes :)
[12:30] <ravel> I  can try... I also had difficulty with fglrx but I noticed some instructions at wiki
[12:33] <BigAl> Tim_T - I'm on my XP installation atm..... I'm gonna log into kubuntu and look for the dmesg log file
[12:33] <BigAl> I think that this is the right one
[12:34] <Tm_T> tim?
[12:34] <BigAl> lol
[12:34] <BigAl> whoopsie
[12:35] <BigAl> Tn_T :)
[12:35] <BigAl> damn
[12:35] <BigAl> Tm_T :)
[12:35] <Tm_T> ;)
[12:35] <BigAl> can't type today
[12:35] <BigAl> *stressed*
[12:35] <Tm_T> BigAl: tabfilling <3
[12:35] <BigAl> in win?
[12:35] <BigAl> heh
[12:35] <Tm_T> why not
[12:35] <BigAl> hmmm
[12:35] <Tm_T> it depends what app you use
[12:36] <BigAl> xchat atm
[12:36] <Tm_T> I run same client in windows and linux
[12:36] <Tm_T> actually everywhere
[12:36] <thygrrr> Xchat has it :)
[12:36] <BigAl> what do you think about my log file suggestion?
[12:36] <Tm_T> BigAl: maybe
[12:37] <Lynoure> ravel: cannot help you that much with that one. I use the open source ati drivers myself...
[12:37] <BigAl> are there any others you think i should get when i boot to kubuntu?
[12:39] <Tm_T> BigAl: /var/log/ has some logs
[12:40] <BigAl> ok then... i'll copy everything from there over to fat and come back here?
[12:40] <Tm_T> copy everything that looks interesting
[12:41] <Tm_T> anyway, I'm off ->
[12:41] <BigAl> thanks for your help
[12:41] <BigAl> cya
[12:48] <danzel> I'm on kubuntu dapper, kde 3.5.2. I've installed kdeaddons and such. When I right click on a zip file I get the option "Extract -> Extract Here...", but when I right click on a rar file I do not get these options.
[12:48] <danzel> Any ideas how to get an Extract option when I right click a rar file?
[12:49] <dodger> do you have unrar-free installed?
[12:50] <danzel> yep
[12:50] <danzel> If I open rar archives in ark I can extract them fine
[12:50] <dodger> ok well there goes my wild guess ;)
[12:50] <dodger> sorry - don't know then :/
[12:50] <danzel> But I don't get a straight Extract option when I right click em ;)
[12:50] <dodger> hmm
[12:50] <danzel> thanks anyway :)
[12:50] <ravel> lynoure, the problem is that kde & especially all videos are _very_ slow with ati drivers
[12:51] <SoLo18> hi..
[12:51] <danzel> I get a "Open with ark" option, but no "Extract"
[12:51] <dodger> hi SoLo18
[12:51] <SoLo18> who would be nice to help me  with something plsss?
[12:51] <zsuzsi> hi
[12:51] <dodger> anyone who can, i imagine ;)
[12:52] <SoLo18> :)
[12:52] <zsuzsi> my wlanassistant crashed, it says its a bug - where can i talk about it?
[12:53] <dodger> zsuzsi: no idea - it's worked fine for me so far
[12:53] <SoLo18> ....i installed ircu<IP_ADDRESS> and when i  installed automaticly has started...i didn`t have the time to configure...
[12:54] <SoLo18> i configured while was running
[12:54] <SoLo18> but the changes did not take effect
[12:54] <zsuzsi> well, i disconnected from a wireless network using it and it just crashed. i got this bug popup with a lot of "backtrace" messages.
[12:55] <SoLo18> i didn`t know how to restart it so...
[12:55] <SoLo18> i rastarted my pc
[12:55] <dodger> sorry - don't know....  i'm pretty new to kubuntu myself
[12:55] <SoLo18> but now i don`t know to start ircu
[12:56] <dodger> have you tried just starting it from the shell?
[12:56] <zsuzsi> solo, there must be some "ircu start" command, i think... but thats just a guess
[12:56] <SoLo18> i don`t know the command
[12:56] <SoLo18> that`s the problem
[12:57] <dodger> SoLo18: try opening konsole and then
[12:57] <dodger> sudo updatedb
[12:57] <dodger> and then
[12:57] <dodger> locate ircu
[12:57] <dodger> it'll show you where it can find files with that name
[12:58] <dodger> updatedb can take a minute, so don't freak out ;)
[12:58] <rraphink> find, whereis and which are also options
[12:58] <SoLo18> how cvan i locate ircu?
[12:58] <rraphink> whereis and which can be used to find the path to executables in the path
[12:59] <rraphink> and find can be used to search aswell, giving special search criterias
[12:59] <rraphink> for a daemon e.g. can be usefel to run a `find /etc -name ircu`
[01:00] <rraphink> as it's likely to be in /etc/init.d
[01:00] <rraphink> SoLo18: otherwise you can do as dodger said
[01:00] <rraphink> or even easier
[01:00] <rraphink> sudo updatedb
[01:00] <rraphink> that will update the db of files
[01:00] <rraphink> then open konqueror and type "ircu" in the address bar
[01:01] <rraphink> and enjoy :)
[01:01] <Tm_T> mooh
[01:01] <Tm_T> rraphink: hey you!
[01:02] <rraphink> Tm_T: hey you too:p
[01:02] <Tm_T> ;)
[01:02] <rraphink> hehe
[01:02] <BigAl> hi
[01:02] <rraphink> how are you?
[01:02] <rraphink> hi BigAl
[01:02] <Tm_T> rraphink: in vacation ;)
[01:02] <rraphink> hehe
[01:02] <Tm_T> rraphink: you are using edgy?
[01:02] <rraphink> Tm_T: where?
[01:03] <Lynoure> ravel: hmm, never noticed that. But I was born lucky
[01:03] <rraphink> Tm_T: not right now
[01:03] <Tm_T> rraphink: home
[01:03] <rraphink> except on my server
[01:03] <Tm_T> raphink: xorg transition gone or incoming?
[01:03] <raphink> no idea
[01:03] <raphink> I'm not on xorg stuff lately
[01:03] <raphink> or at all ;)
[01:03] <SoLo18> i am interesd to find the ircd executable file only
[01:03] <Tm_T> hmm, ok
[01:03] <raphink> SoLo18: try which or whereis
[01:04] <Tm_T> I'm between upgrading to edgy and building kdelibs etc in windows
[01:04] <Tm_T> but what should I choose :p
[01:04] <aegeanlinux> back
[01:04] <raphink> you should choose to removee windows
[01:04] <SoLo18> what knind of  files are exec in knubuntu (wath extension)
[01:04] <raphink> and not get too much open source stuff to windows
[01:04] <raphink> this is killing open-source :(-
[01:04] <Tm_T> nah
[01:04] <raphink> when people spend more time developping firefox for windows than linux
[01:04] <Tm_T> I will try to get KOffice run in windows
[01:05] <raphink> SoLo18: no extension in particular
[01:05] <dodger> SoLo18: there's not necessarily an extension for executables
[01:05] <raphink> just +x rights
[01:05] <Tm_T> raphink: I'm not developing, just fooling around ;-P
[01:05] <raphink> like 777 or 755 for example
[01:05] <danzel> bah, dodger - you were exactly right, lmao
[01:05] <danzel> I had 'rar' installed, but not 'unrar' or 'unrar-free'
[01:05] <danzel> I installed unrar and now it goes :) thanks
[01:05] <danzel> lmao
[01:05] <dodger> ah... cool :) yw
[01:05] <raphink> SoLo18: find should be able to find executable files
[01:06] <ravel> lynoure, the default ati driver doesn't seem to be able to use DGA or whatever the tech is called
[01:06] <MilhousePunkRock> Does someone know a way to re-activate the mouse in X after Suspend to RAM?
[01:06] <couquinoux> bonjour bonjour
[01:07] <raphink> SoLo18: another option is to check the files installed by the package with dpkg -L
[01:07] <MilhousePunkRock> Like reloading the drivers or something?
[01:07] <raphink> couquinoux: ce n'est pas un chan francophone ici
[01:07] <raphink> couquinoux: va sur #kubuntu-fr pour parler en fr
[01:07] <raphink> stp
[01:09] <BigAl> Tm_T?
[01:09] <BigAl> you still here?
[01:09] <Tm_T> slightly yes
[01:09] <BigAl> i think i found somerthing in the logs
[01:09] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:15:52 desktop kdm[5102] : X server "/usr/bin/Xorg-air" cannot be executed
[01:09] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:15:52 desktop kdm[5083] : X server for display :0 can't be started, session disabled
[01:09] <Tm_T> xorg-air ?
[01:09] <BigAl> everything looks ok until then in the sys logs
[01:10] <BigAl> no idea what that is tbh
[01:10] <Tm_T> BigAl: ok, and does it continue after that?
[01:10] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:16:31 desktop shutdown[5175] : shutting down for system reboot
[01:10] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:16:31 desktop init: Switching to runlevel: 6
[01:10] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:16:35 desktop kernel: [4294753.938000]  apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac)
[01:10] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:16:35 desktop kernel: [4294753.938000]  apm: disabled on user request.
[01:10] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:16:35 desktop mysqld[4446] : 060722 18:16:35 [Note]  /usr/sbin/mysqld: Normal shutdown
[01:10] <BigAl> .....
[01:10] <BigAl> it's shutting down
[01:10] <BigAl> i hit control-alt-del after it froze
[01:10] <BigAl> and the system rebooted
[01:11] <MilhousePunkRock> BigAl: Use the pastebin rather than flooding the channel like that
[01:11] <BigAl> sorry
[01:11] <Lynoure> ravel: What uses that tech? / What does it do? I tried googling, but just got instructions to disable it
[01:12] <Tm_T> BigAl: hey, when it "freeze", have you tried alt+f2 for example?
[01:12] <BigAl> i didn't, no.... what does that do?
[01:13] <BigAl> (n00b here....)
[01:13] <Tm_T> that moves you to tty number 2
[01:13] <BigAl> you think that might help
[01:14] <Tm_T> BigAl: terminal in short
[01:14] <BigAl> ah
[01:14] <Tm_T> BigAl: 1-6 are free to use, 7 is X and 8 is boot/shutdown splash(?)
[01:14] <BigAl> ok
[01:15] <BigAl> i'll give that a go then, and try a start x
[01:15] <mendred> hi all..can someone tell me where i can download kaffeine 0.8.1 packages
[01:15] <mendred> hey tm_T
[01:15] <Tm_T> hi
[01:16] <BigAl> bbiab....
[01:16] <Tm_T> kaffeine? hmm, I use kmplayer ;)
[01:16] <BigAl> thanks again
[01:16] <Tm_T> BigAl: np
[01:16] <ravel> lynoure, at least with fglrx drivers videos play OK, without it they do not
[01:16] <ravel> they skip frames all the time
[01:17] <Lynoure> ravel: are you generalising or talking about your own system?
[01:18] <Lynoure> ravel: Because, like I said, haven't had problems but it can have a lot to do about which exact display card one has. X600 here.
[01:18] <dodger> speaking of kmplayer
[01:19] <dodger> is there a repository with mplayer for dapper?
[01:19] <dodger> i haven't been able to find it... and yes, i could build from source... but i thought i'd ask ;)
[01:19] <Tm_T> dodger: hmm
[01:19] <Tm_T> !mplayer
[01:19] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile to compile it from source or enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer
[01:19] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> dodger: The ffmpeg that dapper provides is pretty crippled
[01:20] <danzel> dodger: yeah, grab easy ubuntu and let that install it for you
[01:21] <danzel> the repos is: deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free
[01:21] <danzel> has a better ffmpeg etc etc too
[01:21] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: o/ o/
[01:21] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T
[01:21] <MilhousePunkRock> Does someone know a way to re-activate the mouse in X after Suspend to RAM?
[01:22] <dodger> ah.... thanks :)
[01:22] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: how are you?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i'm okay, how much do you know about SATA drives?
[01:23] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I never owned one, that I know :p
[01:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:24] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: one for exchange, any idea hows xorg transition in edgy?
[01:24] <UKF^vortex> !codecs
[01:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:24] <MilhousePunkRock> An IRC related question: How can I determine if there are channels, specific for ACPI or Xorg?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: mesa is borked, everything else is working okay for me
[01:25] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hum, so it's already happened or incoming?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: we got debian's Xorg, all that got transitioned, and i think we might get 7.1
[01:25] <Tm_T> ok
[01:25] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I upgrade after this week
[01:28] <ravel> lynoure, I have been said that it is because of those... funny that it doesn't work by default
[01:29] <Fjodor> Hi. Does anyone have amd64 or source debs for kopete-0.12.1? Highest I could find is 0.12.0, and it has trouble with ICQ
[01:29] <Lynoure> ravel: I guess it's hard to make things so that they work automatically by default for all.
[01:29] <Tm_T> Fjodor: hmm, no idea, but you can compile from tarball, no?
[01:30] <MilhousePunkRock> The trouble with ICQ might be caused _by_ ICQ, Fjodor... Heard that Miranda users have issues lately too
[01:30] <Fjodor> MilhousePunkRock: Yes, they switched to a new protocol version. Support for it is in 0.12.1
[01:30] <Tm_T> yes
[01:30] <MilhousePunkRock> Ah, ok...
[01:30] <Tm_T> root__: you should NOT irc as root
[01:30] <Fjodor> Tm_T: I could, but then I would need to do a checkinstall
[01:30] <Tm_T> Fjodor: nah
[01:31] <Fjodor> Tm_T: I would prefer a debianized source package at least
[01:31] <Tm_T> sure, but I don't know any
[01:31] <Tm_T> Fjodor: maybe in edgy repos
[01:31] <Fjodor> Tm_T: Fair enough. Thanks for the suggestion at any rate. Edgy is pretty far behind on kopete
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Fjodor: how far is it behind?
[01:32] <Tm_T> s/avery/every/
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Fjodor: 0.12.1 is going in.
[01:32] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I thought it's in already
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Fjodor: sure, source is on revu.tauware.de
[01:32] <Fjodor> Hobbsee: Cool. Thanks
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: it's not, we're waiting on mdz to approve the UVF exception
[01:33] <Tm_T> aah yes!
[01:33] <Tm_T> I'm just old blind dumb monkey
[01:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: 0.12.0-0ubuntu2 is in repos, atm, i believe - which has the desktop fix, and the icq too old fix.
[01:35] <Fjodor> Gotta go again. Thanks all
[01:35] <Tm_T> BigAl: luck?
[01:36] <BigAl> nah.... the alt+F2 didn't do anything
[01:36] <Tm_T> ok, then it's stuck
[01:36] <Fjodor> Especially Hobbsee :-)
[01:36] <BigAl> i check the latest log file after the alt-F2 attempt and it was the same as the last time
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Fjodor: :)
[01:37] <Tm_T> BigAl: nah, xorg/kdm should not cause greeze, there's something else
[01:37] <BigAl> x-server "/usr/bin/Xorg-air" cannot be executed
[01:37] <Tm_T> freeze even
[01:37] <ccpasteur> hi everybody
[01:37] <BigAl> heh
[01:37] <BigAl> hi
[01:37] <Tm_T> agh, too much typos, building kdelibs to windows ->
[01:37] <BigAl> heh
[01:37] <ccpasteur> i'm currently a debian sid user and I'd like to know the pro/cons to use kubuntu instead of sid
[01:38] <h3sp4wn> ccpasteur: dapper is alot slower and the system feels alot less responsive
[01:38] <BigAl> i was really hoping that the log files would give me a clue, but it seems they only point to the problem
[01:38] <BigAl> not the route cause
[01:38] <BigAl> :-/
[01:39] <ccpasteur> h3sp4wn: so you think I should keep  using debian unstable?
[01:39] <danzel> dapper is slower than sid? I wouldn't think there would be much of a notable difference
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> ccpasteur: Depends what you want - If you want current programs you may end up just having to backport from it all the time anyway
[01:40] <ccpasteur> h3sp4wn: ok thx for your help
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> danzel: I think all the backporting of drivers without the performance improvements makes dapper run dog slow (imo) - edgy for the time being at least is running pretty quickly for me
[01:42] <danzel> h3sp4wn: ah k, true
[01:43] <Lynoure> ccpasteur: I have been having kubuntu on my laptop after having sid on my desktop for quite a while and I'm still undecided
[01:44] <ccpasteur> Lynoure: ok, thx for giving your opinion
[01:45] <Lynoure> ccpasteur: kubuntu is easier to install and works more likely straight out of the box, has lots of gui things for administration, and those seem to work. Less software to select from and installs a lot of things you might or might not need
[01:45] <Lynoure> ccpasteur: I'm a command line person, it seems, so the gui things are not that important to me.
[01:47] <ccpasteur> and it's nice to see that the people on #kubuntu channel are unbiased
[01:48] <markc_> anyone any idea where desktop icon postions are stored ?
[01:49] <BigAl> /home/USERNAME/desktop
[01:49] <BigAl> i think....
[01:50] <BigAl> oh... the positions?
[01:50] <BigAl> hmm
[01:51] <markc_> the folder icon is stored in folder/.directory but I'm not sure where the desktop position is stored
[01:52] <markc_> heh, ~/.kde/share/apps/kdesktop/IconPositions
[01:54] <BigAl> can't believe i'm considering a reinstall....
[01:55] <Lynoure> ccpasteur: I don't know how edgy is now. Trying that might be interesting for you.
[01:56] <markc_> Lynoure: I did a debootstrap edgy last night and could not be happier... I think it's more stable than upgrading from dapper
[01:56] <Lynoure> markc_: :)
[01:57] <markc_> Lynoure: I jumped ship to gentoo then archlinux looking for something more current.. I just happen to try a debootstrap from within gentoo just for the hell of it... and it went really smoothly
[01:57] <qwerty2k> hey, kubuntu has stopped auto mounting my usb devices, anyone tell me how i can get it to auto mount them again??
[02:02] <charlie5> hi ... my system froze the yesterday, so that the only way to restart was to hit the hard reset button ... is that likely a bad RAM problem ?
[02:02] <markc_> hmm, maybe I am trying to reinvent some wheel... is there any tool that will take some kind of snapshot of a users KDE settings, stored them somehow, and allow for a reinstall later, or to clone those settings on another install ?
[02:03] <charlie5> markc_: i'm no expert, but maybe copying .kde dir in ~ dir might work ? (or maybe not)
[02:05] <qwerty2k> hey, kubuntu has stopped auto mounting my usb devices, anyone tell me how i can get it to auto mount them again??
[02:05] <markc_> charlie5: yeah, that is one possibiltiy, I've got a script that does that and ftps a tarball up onto a server, then retrives it later if needed... it can get quite large and it gets fairly complex to know what to strip our... lately I've been thinking more of a bash script that recreates the settings... perhaps
[02:07] <markc_> I've got it down to about 15 minutes to cusomize a fresh KDE install... I keep repeating the same procedure, so automating it seems really obvious... and better still, if I could generalize the procedure then maybe others could do it too... assuming no such tool currently exists
[02:08] <zeus> re. kubuntu.org online? i cant connect to server =\
[02:09] <markc_> doh, of course, mv .kde .kde_ok, do a fresh install and diff -u the two dirs
[02:09] <dodger> zeus: ubuntuforums.org seems down too
[02:09] <MukiEX> Are there other kubuntu archive mirrors?
[02:09] <MukiEX> !ubuntu archive
[02:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about ubuntu archive - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:09] <MukiEX> !apt mirror
[02:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about apt mirror - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:09] <MukiEX> !apt
[02:09] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[02:10] <zsuzsi> hey guys i have identified with a problem on my gnome install! it's this thing:  http://www.ubuntux.org/dapper-gnome-error
[02:10] <zsuzsi> but i dont understand what is meant by "Flushed the settings cache"
[02:10] <DoctorMO> does anyone know about how to fix alsa sound for sound input from usb devices?
[02:11] <zsuzsi> can someone help me?
[02:11] <charlie5> markc_: sounds like you jave a decent handle on the prob ... godd luck :)
[02:11] <charlie5> <good luck>
[02:12] <zsuzsi> hmm i'm called away from the comp for now... i'll be back later...
[02:13] <MukiEX> foobar, where are the ubuntu mirrors?
[02:16] <markc_> wow, a fresh .kde is 500k and my customized version is 2.6mb, after 24 hours (might have some stored mail, bookmarks etc)
[02:17] <MukiEX> apt doesn't work... =(
[02:17] <MukiEX> Ack, wrong channel.
[02:17] <DoctorMO> MukiEX:  :-(
[02:18] <markc_> au.archive.ubuntu.com works, if you are desperate
[02:23] <markc_> hmm, would it be too crazy to keep an online copy of a users ~/.kde folder in subversion ?
[02:25] <markc_> hmm2, not so crazy, a svn commit would only upload the difference which is the main thing I'm after... some kind of incremental upload system
[02:36] <bruno_> pekny den, konecne sa moyem aj ja pochvalit, MAM kubuntu v pc a ide aj net
[02:36] <bruno_> ale mam problem s grafanou :-((((