[06:36] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:35] <xnox> Soni:  you can specify to use s390x on travis; you can tick the box in launchpad PPA configuration to build for debs for s390x; you can use snap remote build to build for s390x
[11:24] <icey> hey rafaeldtinoco: any updates on the OpenStack packageset updates? Anything I can do to help?
[12:31] <Soni> xnox: yeah that's great for testing, not so great for development
[14:57] <teward> cpaelzer: see my reply to the bug you just poked me on
[14:57] <teward> cpaelzer: short story:
[14:57] <teward> those paths are necessary for NGINX to operate properly as a service with the Packaging that we have running
[14:58] <teward> if you are trying to run NGINX with custom paths you PROBABLY need to compile it yourself
[14:59] <teward> namely, if we don't include the prefix paths then it won't pick up plugins, etc. installed by the packaging
[14:59] <teward> that's all stuff inherited from Debian
[15:03] <teward> also nginx upstream with their prebuilt package repos does the same thing :P
[15:03] <teward> so Won't Fix because Upstream does similar stuff.
[15:03] <teward> they want custom compile time options, they can compile it themselves (it's outside the usecase for the packaging as is I believe)
[15:05] <rafaeldtinoco> icey: hey.. today is a holiday over here, Ill be doing today/tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.. now it is just a question of going through the package list and checking if someone else already has the resp for the package or not and editing the acls (shouldnt take long)
[15:06] <icey> rafaeldtinoco: no worries, and thanks for responding while on holiday! I just wanted to make sure I don't drop it :)
[15:06] <rafaeldtinoco> np!
[15:07] <teward> cpaelzer: we can also call that User Error on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1899164 - they can override most if not ALL of those prefix options with the proper nginx.conf options.
[15:10] <teward> cpaelzer: either way, it ain't going to be fixed in our packaging, the poster needs to override prefixes with corresponding config arguments.  or custom-compile.
[15:10] <teward> (many of those compile time prefix areas are *required* for it to compile though I believe...)
[15:10] <cpaelzer> perfect, I knew that you'll know better
[15:10] <teward> cpaelzer: also, regarding the triage report you sent, +esm <-- isn't this Canonical?
[15:11] <teward> i.e. some paid support team/repos that only get Security updates?
[15:11] <cpaelzer> it is but partially free to use afaik
[15:11] <teward> i thought that was outside the scope of $ALL except for whoever manages ESM stuff
[15:11] <teward> cpaelzer: well, for members, yeah, ESM is available in limited deployment, and for anyone with at least UA-I it gives ESM for 14.04
[15:11] <teward> (I've been waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too invested into this lol - for work xD)
[15:12] <teward> thanks for poking it to my attention though that nginx bug :)
[15:16] <teward> cpaelzer: followup reply on ubuntu-server for paper-trail on your email and triage report
[15:16] <teward> thanks
[15:17] <teward> cpaelzer: might be worth mentioning also that any time someone rolls a custom nginx.conf that is sparse As Heck like that, it usually will trigger problems ;)
[15:19] <teward> cpaelzer: i meant to reply to that bug when it first came in, and dig, but I got busy.
[15:19] <teward> :P
[17:24] <cpaelzer> thank you so much teward!
[18:53] <jayjo> What are the differences of booting a VM from an ISO or a memstick? I'm trying to start pfsense on an ubuntu server, but I'm having trouble accessing the serial console, which I believe is because I tried to use the ISO: https://www.pfsense.org/download/#pick-installer
[18:54] <jayjo> Are the differences primarily in how this particular project packages those two things, and a differet project could have a memstick and ISO behave identically?
[18:58] <mgedmin> there are ways of producing a "hybrid" ISO file that can be booted as an ISO or directly from a flash stick
[18:59] <mgedmin> it looks like pfsense doesn't do that
[19:02] <jayjo> Ok, so I'll try to connect via the serial console with the different installer. Using virsh/libvirt, could I use the regular ISO and somehow connect serially over a virtual VGA? I think VGA is what the regular installer supports
[19:12] <mgedmin> should be possible, qemu/kvm supports an ncurses mode
[20:36] <mwhudson> jayjo: "What are the differences of booting a VM from an ISO or a memstick?"  Did that open-vm-tools SRU have the wrong bug reference? :-/
[23:07] <teward> i'mma just put this out there: email is pain.  >.<
[23:07] <teward> trying to get a custom mail handler to work with Postfix right and it's pain >.<


[02:51] <ipl31_> anyone know if any of the -M options for qemu-system-arm support more than 1 nic?
[04:00] <AmEv> Hmmm... I wonder if it's the command line messing things up...
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[09:04] <sim590> hey, I have deleted a tar file and I want to recover it. I'm using scalpel. I need to specefy the header of a ".tar" file, but I have no idea what it is..
[09:10] <sim590> anyone knows how to discover the header of a file like a tar file
[09:16] <infinity> sim590: "discover the header of a file"?
[09:16] <infinity> sim590: What are you actually trying to accomplish?
[09:18] <sim590> I want to find my deleted tar file
[09:18] <sim590> on my disk
[09:19] <sim590> I have to add something like this in the configuration file of foremost
[09:19] <sim590>  pdf     y       5000000 %PDF-  %EOF
[09:19] <sim590> where "pdf" is the extension
[09:19] <sim590> "y" is for case sensitive
[09:20] <sim590> and I also need to specefy the header
[09:20] <sim590> but I don't know what the *"!(/&*$ it is :D
[09:21] <sim590> I want to do this for "tar" file
[09:21] <infinity> # POSIX tar archives
[09:21] <infinity> 257     string          ustar\0         POSIX tar archive
[09:21] <infinity> !:mime  application/x-tar # encoding: posix
[09:21] <infinity> 257     string          ustar\040\040\0 GNU tar archive
[09:21] <infinity> !:mime  application/x-tar # encoding: gnu
[09:21] <ubot2`> infinity: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[09:21] <ubot2`> infinity: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[09:21] <infinity> That's what file(1) knows about tar files.
[09:22] <sim590> man file
[09:22] <sim590> ok
[09:22] <infinity> sim590: apt-get source file && cd file-* and browse around magic/Magdir to see what it knows about these things.
[09:22] <infinity> (The tar stuff is in "archive")
[09:23] <sim590> ok.. I'll try that thanks.
[09:48] <sim590> infinity: I've not found my file yet, but I understand now what you wrote after looking the files you told me. But how the hell did you think about that? Did you just know that it was in these files? :p
[09:50] <infinity> I did, yes.
[09:52] <sim590> ok lol.
[11:31] <sim590> #quit
[12:37] <therve> hi! I have some questions about 12.10 on pandaboard, can someone help?
[12:47] <ogra_> therve, how would we know if you dont ask your question ?
[12:48] <therve> one would wonder
[12:48] <therve> I've installed from the sd card on an external SD via USB
[12:49] <therve> can I make the USB bootable to remove the install sd card?
[12:50] <ogra_> nope
[12:51] <ogra_> you could install to the SD itself (at least in raring, not sure if all the fixes were backported to 12.10)
[12:51] <ogra_> but the panda cant boot off anything else than SD or a special USB OTG setup that requuires a second PC
[12:52] <therve> well I don't want to boot via USB
[12:52] <ogra_> thats a HW limitation
[12:52] <therve> I have a SD card plugged in a USB card reader
 can I make the USB bootable to remove the install sd card?
[12:52] <ogra_> oh, ok
[12:52] <therve> sorry I meant the SD used in USB right now
[12:53] <ogra_> well, if you have the exact same partitioning for the vfat partition, you chouls be able to just dd the contents from one card to another and swap them
[12:53] <ogra_> s/chouls/should/
[12:54]  * ogra_ glares at his fingers
[12:54] <therve> hum
[12:54] <ogra_> the panda needs a vfat partition in the beginning of the card and that needs to have all the bootloader stuff in it
[12:55] <therve> ok I see
[12:55] <therve> sounds like something doable, maybe by installing on a SD with the boot vfat ready
[12:56] <ogra_> right
[12:56] <therve> cool, thanks
[12:57] <therve> the other question I had was about graphic support/video playback
[12:57] <therve> is there anything I can check to make sure I have the proper drivers enabled?
[12:57] <ogra_> duplicate the SD (write the image to both cards) then only delete the second partition but leave the first one intact ... after install dd the partition from one card to the other
[12:57] <ogra_> with 12.10 the drivers are oreinstalled and used from the beginning
[12:57] <ogra_> *preinstalled
[12:58] <therve> I'm asking because it feels pretty slow, so I was wondering if that was expected
[13:52] <sim590> Anyone has made the sound work on the TF101 under ubuntu with lilstevie's kernel? I've red a wiki speaking about this, but I don't know how alsamixer works.. I don't know where to find the "playback" and DMIC option
[13:53] <sim590> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25608362&highlight=sound#post25608362 -> A guy says he makes the sound work, but the playback thing.. Idk
[14:28] <janimo> orientation and backlight testing app for the nexus7 http://people.canonical.com/~jani/a
[14:29] <janimo> to be ran with DISPLAY=:0 set if via ssh and with sudo
[14:29] <janimo> it's a static executable , the golang source is https://code.launchpad.net/~jani/+junk/nexus
[14:34] <ogra_> janimo, wow, without kernel tweaks ?!?
[14:34] <janimo> ogra_, well, apparently everything was there already
[14:34] <ogra_> yay
[14:34] <janimo> just hidden in sysfs
[14:34] <ogra_> i wish the backlight control would be there too
[14:35] <ogra_> the device is so bright it hurts my eyes after a few hours
[14:35] <janimo> ogra_, well this app has backlight control
[14:35] <ogra_> oh, wow
[14:35] <janimo> bt probably needs some tweaking
[14:35] <ogra_> ah, i see the code, yeah
[14:35] <janimo> I did not see it workin gonly starting with andorid 4.2.1
[14:36] <janimo> and seeing it works there it made sense to look harder at where it is exposed
[14:36] <janimo> for a while I thought it simply is not working at all
[14:36] <janimo> but I need to ask around how to best integrate these in some daemons and control center
[14:36] <ogra_> i looked at the sysfs stuff for quite a while already, but only played with echoing stuff into the respective files
[14:36] <ogra_> which always failed with write errors
[14:36] <janimo> to have nice UI for it and non extra daemon running
[14:37] <janimo> right, some files are read only or einval
[14:37] <ogra_> yeah
[14:37] <janimo> birghtness is the only knob that should work
[14:37] <janimo> but it's enough for our purpose
[14:38] <janimo> the x input bugs are still annoying though, I think I'll have another go at those
[14:39] <janimo> after a rotation or two or a few minutes taps are still not working
[14:39] <ogra_> woah
[14:39] <ogra_> the UI is really slow
[14:40] <ogra_> (in redrawing the content rotated)
[14:40] <ogra_> janimo, you rock !
[14:40] <ogra_> we should package that as a daemon with proper upstart file etc
[14:40] <janimo> ogra yes it redraws slowly if the axis changes
[14:41] <janimo> but if it's a 180 degree rotation it is really quick :)
[14:41] <ogra_> i blame compiz
[14:41] <ogra_> heh
[14:41] <janimo> I guess copying is much easier if you do not have different line lengths and can do rectangle copies
[14:42] <janimo> as contiguous pixels in one case are still contiguous in 180 rotation, but not with 90 or 270
[14:42] <ogra_> funny that onboard fully wortks while rotated input doesnt in the rest of the UI
[14:42] <janimo> ogra_, I'll mail ubuntu-devel for some input. While a daemon is fine I'd still rahter add this functionality to some existing plumbing daemons
[14:43] <ogra_> not even the restore button inside firefox responds in portrait
[14:43] <janimo> otherwise it is yet another 1-2MB hit for our footprint
[14:43] <ogra_> ugh
[14:43] <janimo> I did not test apps too much TBH
[14:43] <ogra_> well, i doubt it is the app
[14:44] <ogra_> but onboard works flawless, i can type in a terminal no matter what the rotation is
[14:44] <janimo> just saw that cursor is where it should be, but may it be some apps get confused if screen size or orientation changes?
[14:44] <ogra_> launcher and FF dont take any taps
[14:44] <ogra_> they do if rotated back to landscape
[14:44] <janimo> maybe those that do their own drawing as oppposed to using a GUI toolkit get confused when screen rotates, no idea
[14:45] <janimo> hmm, maybe we coudl try xrandr + firefox on x86
[14:45] <ogra_> oh, it was only the recovery button that didnt work
[14:45] <ogra_> i can scroll with grab n drag in FF and click links
[14:46] <ogra_> hmm
[14:46] <ogra_> i can klick links but they dont get executed
[14:46] <ogra_> (but undelined)
[14:47] <ogra_> i guess i'll need to test that with a mouse plugged in so the pointer gets visible
[14:48] <ogra_> janimo, why does the footprint raise so much ? GO ?
[14:49] <janimo> well GO - at least the official compiler - creates static executables and includes the Go runtime in them
[14:49] <janimo> so they are standalone
[14:49] <janimo> that makes the executable about 1.2 M, but runtime footprint I guess is also due to runtime bookkeeping
[14:50] <janimo> it's not as much as it would be in python but C (or even dash) may be leaner
[14:50] <ogra_> heh, lux sensor seems to work fine too ...
[14:50] <ogra_> i can use a torch and point at the camera area and the display reacts
[14:50] <janimo> the formula is ad-hoc, a better fit is likely possible
[14:50] <ogra_> but its slow
[14:50] <janimo> yes, I used my desklamp for testing, went up to 40000 lux
[14:51] <janimo> passing -v shows lux and accel reading values
[14:51] <ogra_> ah, nice
[14:51] <janimo> slow in reacting to it?
[14:51] <ogra_> yes
[14:51] <janimo> well both accel and light are poll loops with 1s delays
[14:51] <ogra_> my torch is a tiny LED one pretty focused
[14:51] <ogra_> ah, thats it then
[14:52] <ogra_> 1s seems to match what i see
[14:52] <ogra_> i wonder if we could make it trigger uevents so you dont need to poll
[14:52] <janimo> there may be interrupt based interfaces for these sensors, but maybe not via sysfs
[14:52] <ogra_> but that would indeed be kernel side
[14:53] <ogra_> and probably still cause latency
[14:53] <janimo> right, eventually having triggers is better than waking up for no reason periodically
[14:53] <janimo> but, on android actually the lag is a few seconds
[14:53] <ogra_> but i think thats for 13.10 ;)
[14:53] <janimo> so  I guess it adapts once it decides this is really ambient light change and not a transitory flashlight
[14:53] <ogra_> i'd set it to 0.5s though, will likely feel a lot smoother
[14:54] <janimo> maybe eve 5 seconds lag on android
[14:54] <janimo> a bit confusing for test purposes but for real use cases it may be better
[14:54] <ogra_> wow, 5s is long
[14:54] <janimo> especially since light adjusts very seldom and incrementally
[14:54] <janimo> well, if you read and the sun slowly sets you don't really care about a few seconds
[14:55] <ogra_> indeed
[14:55] <janimo> I think are tests are artificial
[14:55] <janimo> our tests that is
[14:55] <Tassadar> well, on Android 4.1, when the backlight is turned to maximum because of ambient light and then you put it to dark place, the brightness never goes down again
[14:55] <Tassadar> so you can't really do worse than that)
[14:55] <janimo> Tassadar, I know my nexus did not seem to change backlight at all until this week
[14:56] <janimo> not sure if due to 4.2.1 (which I had before), a clean reinstall, or just me being more determined to wait for the change
[15:07] <Tassadar> just in case you posted it because you want someone to test it - it works for me too, but that touchscreen input in portrait orientation is really weird)
[15:07] <ogra_> well, onboard works just fine, thats the puzzling bit
[15:08] <Tassadar> you can also drag icons in dash
[15:08] <ogra_> right
[15:08] <ogra_> and i can scroll firefox pages with drag'n grab enabled
[15:09] <ogra_> links get marked if i tap them but never get executed
[15:09] <Tassadar> I can open terminal menu (the one on top bar) if I keep the finger on screen
[15:11] <ogra_> heh, xchat copes fine though
[15:11] <Tassadar> kernel crashed when rotating the screen :x
[15:12] <ogra_> kernel ?
[15:12] <ogra_> how do you know ?
[15:12] <ogra_> did you get an oops ?
[15:12] <Tassadar> http://pastebin.com/AY6Cg9R6
[15:12] <Tassadar> it was after i managed to bug the touch input by clicking too fast
[15:13] <ogra_> that looks like cpufreq issue ...
[15:15] <ogra_> nothing in my dmesg, looks all fine
[15:16] <Tassadar> maybe just some rare crash
[15:16] <Tassadar> dunno which kernel does Ubuntu use as base, but 4.2 kernel is not that stable even on Android
[16:42] <achiang> ogra_: can every Ubuntu package in 12.04 and beyond assume that NEON is supported in the hardware?
[16:43] <ogra_> achiang, nope, NEON is not allowed at build time at all, if a binary wants to use NEON it has to have runtime support
[16:43] <achiang> janimo: ^^
[16:44] <achiang> ogra_: interesting....
[16:44] <ogra_> by default all packages in the archive need to be non-NEON
[16:44] <janimo> achiang, what ogra said. Even if we do not have official images, people run Ubuntu on Tegra2 which has no neon
[16:44] <qengho> achiang: yo.
[16:45] <janimo> And ac100 actually had 12.04 images
[16:45] <achiang> qengho: hi, let me paste a bit of scrollback for you re: neon
[16:45] <ogra_> and as long as we potentially (or actively) support something like tegra2 or armadaxp it will have to stay that way
[16:45] <qengho> No neon.  Saw that.
[16:45] <janimo> ogra_, oh armadaxp too, I forgot
[16:45] <ogra_> well, NEON, but only at runtime :)
[16:45] <qengho> Got it.  Thanks!
[16:46] <achiang> qengho: is the chromium build FTBFS due to NEON?
[16:46] <ogra_> not sure which packages have actual code for this, Qt could be and possiblly pixman
[16:46] <janimo> Qt does indeed
[16:46] <ogra_> (if you want to look at code for runtime support)
[16:46] <achiang> ogra_: qengho is the chromium maintainer for ubuntu engineering, and he's trying to get something going for 12.04
[16:47] <qengho> 13.04 mostly, but anything I can.
[16:47] <achiang> qengho: are you seeing a NEON-related build failure?
[16:47] <janimo> achiang, chromium/v8 probably works without neon too but their build system is complicated so some flags may get set inconsitently
[16:47] <janimo> some with neon support some without
[16:47] <ogra_> qengho, did you talk to micahg already ? he used to do the chromium builds in the past
[16:48] <ogra_> probably something wheer exxperience can help ....
[16:48] <qengho> achiang: Yes.  janimo has it right.  It's mostly build flags.
[16:48] <janimo> I also had (scarring) chromium FTBFS experiences
[16:48] <qengho> ogra_: I did.
[16:49] <janimo> qengho, the only thing I remember is flags either not being passed correctly from debian/rules or build files needed patched to turn neon off
[16:50] <janimo> qengho, Launchpad may still preserve chromium changelog history and you could find neon FTBFS bugs there
[16:50] <janimo> it may be a recurring one due to dropped patches or changed upstream build system
[16:51] <qengho> It's changing upstream, AFAIK, janimo.
[16:51] <qengho> Okay, thanks all.
[16:55] <qengho> Er, it looks like I might have to write a function that does what I want. What's the best way to test for NEON support programatically at runtime?
[16:56]  * qengho hopes it's not "parse /proc/cpuinfo".
[16:58] <qengho> Oh good. Assembly.
[17:00] <ogra_> iirc it was somewhere in /proc/self
[17:01] <ogra_>  /proc/self/auxv ? not sure
[17:03] <ogra_> actually i'm pretty sure libjpeg-turbo has the code for runtime switching, just grep for auxv in the source
[17:03] <morphis> ogra_: thanks for your response about gstreamer/ti/omap some days ago
[17:04] <ogra_> welcome
[17:05] <morphis> :)
[17:11] <morphis> ogra_: seems like I have to investigate a little bit more
[17:12] <ogra_> well, the guys that used to maintain the TI PPA packages are still around in #pandaboard (some of them at least) they can probably tell you what happens to the PPA stuff and if anyone goes on maintaining it
[17:15] <morphis> ogra_: good hint, will join there and ask
[17:40] <qengho> does someone have a device that lacks NEON support?  I want to test something.  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1542106/
[17:40] <qengho> ogra_, achiang, ^
[17:41] <Tassadar> I have raspberry sitting in here, if that's enough
[17:41] <ogra_> not near me today, sorry
[17:41] <qengho> $ make foo; ./foo
[17:41] <qengho> Tassadar: Ooo, that just might!
[17:41] <ogra_> i will have my ac100 (tegra2) around tomorrow again though
[17:42] <Tassadar> okay
[17:42] <ogra_> what OS is on there ?
[17:42] <Tassadar> that debian wheezy they have on their download page, raspbian or whatever
[17:42] <Tassadar> you only need to test if it correctly detects the CPU, right?
[17:43] <Tassadar> it should be enough
[17:43]  * ogra_ isnt sure if a test on an armv6 debian rebuild is actually reliable
[17:43] <qengho> Tassadar: yes, just the CPU.
[17:43] <ogra_> your kernel definitely needs hwcap support though
[17:45] <ogra_> (or was that libc ... its so long ago i had to tinker with it)
[17:45] <Tassadar> compiled okay, says "
[17:45] <Tassadar> pi@saffron ~ $ ./test
[17:45] <Tassadar> this CPU has no NEON support.
[17:45] <Tassadar> "
[17:45] <qengho> Tassadar: Thanks.
[17:47] <achiang> qengho: i don't have a device like that near me, unfortunately
[17:51] <Tassadar> My LG P500 (~same cpu as raspberry) with debian in chroot also says "no neon support"
[17:57] <ogra_> for a positive match,, i get proper output on the chromebook
[17:57] <ogra_> ogra@chromebook:~$ ./foo
[17:57] <ogra_> this CPU has NEON support.
[17:57] <qengho> ogra_: ah, thanks.  Good data all.  Thanks.
[18:23] <vhadil> hy friend
[18:24] <vhadil> besides cmus what applications you install


[00:21] <tsimonq2> Unit193: irssi \o/
[08:55] <mapreri> (I do not think there is much point in subscribing ~ubuntu-sponsors AND ping here at the same time)
[12:54] <Unit193> mapreri: Thanks for the python-fastimport upload!  I didn't go to Debian first because upstream == maintainer, and poked him in the past with little success. :/
[15:08] <mapreri> Unit193: yeah... I noticed that, and any time it happens I get a bit angrier..
[15:08] <mapreri> (I didn't even try to contact that guy before uploading)
[15:08] <mapreri> besides, the git repository is not compliant to the team policy :|
[16:38] <sladen> mapreri: people are people.  Please try to "do the paperwork" to (a) give people a chance, (b) if/when we're ever asked, we can point back to it
[16:39] <sladen> and twhen there's 4-5 of these in a row, it makes things a bit clearer
[17:10] <Unit193> mapreri: I'm still stuck with bzr-fastimport because neither upstream nor can I find a bzr uploader to push it. :/  I know I'm bad when it comes to paperwork in Debian, but I've never had any luck with it so kind of wonder what the point is anyway, tbh.
[17:11] <mapreri> Unit193: "bzr uploader to push it"?
[17:12] <Unit193> mapreri: Someone from the bzr team.  Basically someone that can actually do a decent review rather than someone to just push it, though at this point I don't think I'm too concerned.
[17:12] <mapreri> meh
[17:13] <mapreri> Unit193: I'm not sure, but I always felt as the bzr team started fading long ago…
[17:13] <Unit193> Eg, berry.  I was in contact with him, he didn't have a lot of time, then ended up not doing much with bzr anymore.  Yeah, bzr is seriously in maintenance mode, or bitrot.
[17:33] <Unit193> (If you were wondering: Hhttps://sigma.unit193.net/source/bzr-fastimport_0.13.0+bzr361-1aegir1.dsc)


[06:52] <jijojosephk> I was a long time user of ubuntu budgie but lately I'm struggling with tray icons. Is AppIndicatorApplet is the only thing we have ? I used sytem tray as well. But some app icons are not displayed. Especially electron/chromium based apps when they are flatpacked.
[06:55] <fossfreedom_> electron apps are a known issue ... electron devs have closed the issue on their tracker since no one will help them create a test case. If you can dive on to their tracker and help out.


[07:54] <sixwheeledbeast> is zeroconf browser not part of the default install now it seems to have vanished?


[17:00] <dholbach> o/
[17:00] <coolbhavi> o/
[17:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[17:00] <pleia2> #chair dholbach
[17:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: dholbach pleia2
[17:01] <dholbach> welcome everybody :)
[17:01] <dholbach> thanks coolbhavi for turning up
[17:01] <pleia2> welcome to the Community Council meeting!
[17:01] <coolbhavi> hello dholbach and the CC :)
[17:01] <dholbach> pleia2, it escaped me, who apart from the Dev Advisory Team are we meeting up with today?
[17:01] <pleia2> IRC Council
[17:01] <dholbach> great
[17:01] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:01] <dholbach> anyone from the IRCC here?
[17:02] <dholbach> maybe we start off with the DAT - it must be late in India already
[17:02] <coolbhavi> :) 10 30 PM here
[17:02] <pleia2> #topic Catch up with the Developer Advisory Team
[17:03] <dholbach> coolbhavi, how have things been going since the last time we met? (and I guess I'll put on my DAT hat in a bit too :-))
[17:04] <Pici> dholbach: re: ircc, myself and Tm_T should be here.
[17:04] <coolbhavi> dholbach, the major work was dat v2
[17:04] <dholbach> Pici, great
[17:04] <Tm_T> I'm somewhat around anyway (:
[17:04] <dholbach> (dat v2 means the Dev Advisory Team overview page we use to track who we're in touch with, who progressed how far on their journey as a developer, etc.)
[17:05] <coolbhavi> and we have a cool instance up here  http://ec2-50-19-67-12.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[17:05] <pleia2> that's really cool
[17:05] <dholbach> up until we mostly used Trello cards for that and a list of uploads per developer, which got slightly out of hand after a couple of cycles
[17:05] <pleia2> no doubt :)
[17:05] <coolbhavi> trello overflow :)
[17:05] <dholbach> Andrew Starr-Bocchicchio did a PHENOMENAL job on this
[17:06] <coolbhavi> dholbach, +1
[17:06] <dholbach> one stumbling block we're currently having is the deployment
[17:06] <dholbach> I said I was happy to host this on holba.ch
[17:06] <dholbach> but just ran out of time looking into it
[17:06] <dholbach> sorry about that
[17:06] <pleia2> I assume it's on some random person's ec2 account?
[17:06] <AlanBell> hi Pici and all
[17:07] <dholbach> pleia2, yes, but it might get a bit too expensive over time
[17:07] <pleia2> no doubt
[17:07] <dholbach> it crunches quite a bit of LP data, etc
[17:07] <pleia2> jcastro is using hpcloud for discourse, I wonder if you could get a similar deal
[17:07] <dholbach> I'll have a chat with him later on
[17:07] <pleia2> great
[17:07] <coolbhavi> dholbach, if anyone needs hosting space m ready to give as I bought a new physical server
[17:07] <dholbach> I'm no expert when it comes to these things
[17:08] <pleia2> dholbach: he might make you juju deploy it
[17:08] <pleia2> :)
[17:08] <dholbach> yeah
[17:08] <dholbach> and "normally deploying" it is not my forté either ;-)
[17:08] <dholbach> that's probably why we got stuck where we are right now
[17:08] <dholbach> in between a transition where I'm blocking things :)
[17:08]  * pleia2 nods
[17:08] <dholbach> that's also why activity went down quite a bit
[17:08] <dholbach> so we have to figure this out soon
[17:08] <dholbach> I'll talk to jcastro tomorrow
[17:09] <dholbach> promise! :)
[17:09] <pleia2> thanks dholbach!
[17:09] <dholbach> coolbhavi, we could probably also do with some restaffing
[17:09] <dholbach> huats stepped down
[17:09] <pleia2> coolbhavi: also, looking forward to seeing you at fosscon next week :)
[17:09] <dholbach> and some other members got busy with other projects as well
[17:09] <coolbhavi> dholbach, sorry here too as m sucked into HPUX and HP labs
[17:09] <coolbhavi> pleia2, same here :)
[17:10] <dholbach> coolbhavi, I could imagine that as soon as we set up the new tool, start using it and fixing a few bugs, we might as well train a few new contributors in the team
[17:10] <coolbhavi> dholbach, yes +1
[17:10] <dholbach> and being on the DAT is wonderfully social task
[17:10] <dholbach> so we might just want to pick and ask the right people :)
[17:10] <dholbach> coolbhavi, that's something the two of us could probably look into together?
[17:11] <coolbhavi> dholbach, yes can send out a email reg restaffing and a dat overview
[17:11] <dholbach> that'd be fantastic
[17:11] <pleia2> \o/
[17:11] <dholbach> shall we have a chat tomorrow after I talked to jcastro?
[17:11] <coolbhavi> yes
[17:11] <dholbach> awesome
[17:12] <dholbach> I think apart from that there's not much to report - just that we should get on the tasks mentioned above quite urgently :)
[17:12] <dholbach> pleia2, any more questions? :-D
[17:12] <pleia2> nope, thanks coolbhavi and dholbach!
[17:12]  * dholbach hugs coolbhavi
[17:12] <dholbach> thanks a bunch!
[17:12]  * coolbhavi hugs dholbach back
[17:12] <pleia2> #topic Catch up with the IRC Council
[17:13] <coolbhavi> thanks CC
[17:13] <coolbhavi> :)
[17:13] <Pici> Hi
[17:13] <pleia2> welcome Tm_T, Pici and AlanBell!
[17:13] <AlanBell> hi
[17:13] <pleia2> we haven't heard much from the IRCC lately, hopefully this means all is well :)
[17:14] <pleia2> any concerns, challenges, success stories you'd care to share?
[17:14] <AlanBell> yeah, we have been a bit quiet
[17:14] <sabdfl> o/ sorry to be late
[17:14] <dholbach> hey sabdfl!
[17:14] <AlanBell> I think things are generally OK, we have been missing a few meetings though
[17:15] <Pici> We approved a new Ubuntu Member recently (m4v) though :)
[17:15] <Pici> Long overdue
[17:15] <IdleOne> YAY!
[17:15] <dholbach> What's been keeping you busy since we last met? :)
[17:15] <AlanBell> we are on top of most general issues like assigning cloaks, and yes, we approved M4V for membership, there are no outstanding applications
[17:15] <pleia2> another "oh, they weren't already a member?" :)
[17:15] <Pici> Pretty much.
[17:16] <pleia2> I do notice that next cycle we will have some restaffing to do
[17:16]  * AlanBell checks on launchpad
[17:16] <Pici> There hasn't been many disputes that have needed the IRCC itself to intervene, which is nice.
[17:16] <dholbach> great
[17:16] <pleia2> that's great
[17:16] <AlanBell> end of December we expire
[17:16] <AlanBell> there was a bit of a dispute in the norway loco channel, but we worked with the loco leader to resolve that
[17:16] <dholbach> did you have any plans or tasks from one of the last UDSes?
[17:18] <Tm_T> I think one of the ongoing tasks is we should have a session or two on every cycle about IRC
[17:19] <dholbach> did you get feedback in those sessions? like anything that needs changing? or are you at a stage where you take care of normal business and everything's fine? :)
[17:19] <Tm_T> making us visible, so to speak
[17:19] <Tm_T> dholbach: more like I think we should make them more often
[17:20] <dholbach> ah, gotcha
[17:20] <Tm_T> one form of communication that is
[17:20] <AlanBell> we were doing new operators every UDS, in line with the dev cycle, then the UDS cycle changed a bit wiht the online UDS
[17:21] <AlanBell> so, when do we start the restaffing process given that we expire at the end of the year?
[17:21] <dholbach> right, that makes sense
[17:21] <dholbach> like 2-3 weeks before the expiry?
[17:21] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing should have more info
[17:22] <AlanBell> ah OK, so plenty of time still :)
[17:22] <dholbach> is there any help the IRCC needs or feedback or anything else?
[17:23] <Pici> The only thing I can think of is with the recent Edge announcement, we didn't have anywhere to route people initially.
[17:24] <AlanBell> don't think so, and I should note that I am pretty happy about the increased communications around the Ubuntu Edge thing compared to other surprises
[17:24] <AlanBell> Pici: yeah we did :)
[17:24] <pleia2> that's good to hear
[17:24] <dholbach> :-)
[17:25] <dholbach> great
[17:25] <Pici> AlanBell: well, we did, but I don't think we were all in the loop from the get go.  Anyway, it was much better than prior releases
[17:25] <Tm_T> improvement, definitely
[17:26] <Tm_T> also I liked much of the contact relating the forums incident
[17:26] <dholbach> Tm_T, you mean the analysis? or the communications during the incident?
[17:27] <Tm_T> communication that it happened and that it might affect irc channels by increasing traffic
[17:27] <dholbach> right
[17:27] <AlanBell> are the forums back to normal now? I haven't been tracking that one closely
[17:27] <Pici> AlanBell: I believe so.
[17:27] <Tm_T> AlanBell: up and running
[17:28] <Tm_T> just that login is changed, I have two accounts now
[17:28] <dholbach> yes, you log in through SSO and through some magic you can reconcile accounts
[17:28] <AlanBell> ok
[17:28] <Pici> We had a spike in traffic, but it wasn't as bad as I had expected.
[17:28] <dholbach> I didn't check for too long how that exactly works, I must admit
[17:29] <Tm_T> anyway, improvements on communication, I like
[17:29] <dholbach> I'm done with questions for the IRCC - I'm very happy with the work you're doing.
[17:29] <IdleOne> Would be nice to get some communication about how to reconcile the forums accounts (sorry for speaking out of turn)
[17:29] <pleia2> the forums council has been handling that
[17:30] <dholbach> maybe you can ping elfy about this
[17:30] <AlanBell> IdleOne: it is available if you try to log on to the forums looks OK to me
[17:30] <IdleOne> AlanBell: my account had a 2 added to it
[17:30] <pleia2> yeah, elfy helped me out
[17:30] <AlanBell> idletwo
[17:30] <dholbach> :)
[17:30] <Pici> pleia2: but... you normally have a 2 ;)
[17:30] <AlanBell> or idlethree perhaps :)
[17:31] <IdleOne> anyway, not a big deal and I'll ping elfy. thank you :)
[17:31] <dholbach> perfect :)
[17:31] <IdleOne> AlanBe11
[17:31] <dholbach> !!
[17:31] <dholbach> pleia2, sabdfl: any more questions for the IRCC from you?
[17:31] <pleia2> I'm all set
[17:34] <pleia2> thanks Pici, AlanBell and Tm_T (and IdleOne!)
[17:34] <dholbach> not sure if we lost sabdfl
[17:34] <IdleOne> :)
[17:34] <Pici> You know where to find us if you need anything :)
[17:34] <AlanBell> thanks o/
[17:34] <dholbach> that's right :)
[17:34] <Tm_T> thanks
[17:34] <dholbach> thanks a bunch!
[17:34] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[17:34] <pleia2> does anyone have anything else?
[17:34] <dholbach> I'm all set
[17:37] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
[17:37] <pleia2> meeting up with the Doc team next meeting
[17:38] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[17:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Aug  1 17:38:03 2013 UTC.
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[17:38] <dholbach> thanks a bunch!
[17:40] <sabdfl> hi
[17:40] <sabdfl> stepped afk to take a call, sorry
[17:41] <sabdfl> AlanBell, you did catch that there was an announcement brewing, thanks for the nudge in that case :)
[22:00] <bkerensa> #startmeeting Ubuntu 22:00 Membership Board https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards#A22:00
[22:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug  1 22:00:05 2013 UTC.  The chair is bkerensa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:00] <bkerensa> #chair bkerensa
[22:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: bkerensa
[22:00] <bkerensa> #voters chilicuil PabloRubianes Pendulum cjohnston bkerensa
[22:00] <meetingology> Current voters: PabloRubianes Pendulum bkerensa chilicuil cjohnston
[22:01] <bkerensa> Hello All, Welcome to the August 22:00UTC Membership Board! We have two applicants today. We will hear each application in the order they were received.
[22:01] <nik90> Hi
[22:01] <bkerensa> hello
[22:01] <nik90> Should I start?
[22:01] <bkerensa> CarlosNeyPastor: are you there?
[22:01] <CarlosNeyPastor> hola
[22:01] <bkerensa> ok
[22:01] <CarlosNeyPastor> si, estoy acá
[22:01] <bkerensa> nik90: Can you briefly introduce yourself to the board?
[22:01] <nik90> bkerensa: sure
[22:02] <nik90> Hi everyone! This is Nekhelesh. I am an aerospace masters student studying in The Netherlands.
[22:02] <CarlosNeyPastor> disculpen pero mi manejo del ingles es pobre
[22:02] <nik90> In my free time, I contribute to Ubuntu by developing, triaging bug reports, blogging and supporting community members.
[22:02] <nik90> You can find my wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nekhelesh%20Ramananthan
[22:02] <bkerensa> CarlosNeyPastor: you will be next
[22:02] <nik90> Some of my official contributions to Ubuntu including hosting a session during the Ubuntu User Day on "Switching to Ubuntu from Windows",
[22:02] <nik90> creating a Ubuntu Manual for 12.04 and more recently being involved in the development of the clock core app for the Ubuntu Touch project
[22:02] <nik90> I have also been blogging about my developer experiences and regular updates about the core app project development at
[22:02] <nik90> http://ubuntu-touch.blogspot.nl/
[22:03]  * popey is here to cheer for nik90
[22:03]  * bobweaver echos
[22:03] <popey> I have worked closely with nik90 on the core apps project. he's been professional, reliable and efficient through the whole process.
[22:03] <bkerensa> nik90: your application looks great and I really like the work you are doing on Ubuntu Touch
[22:03] <popey> He's been a great example of what an Ubuntu member should be.
[22:03]  * nik90 feels good
[22:03] <WebbyIT> I started to collaborate to Ubuntu Core Apps development few weeks ago, and I'm very thankful to nik90 , who has helped and encouraged me. I think he fully represents the Ubuntu Spirit and totally deserves the membership
[22:04] <bkerensa> do any other board members have questions for this applicant?
[22:04] <nik90> bkerensa: thnx
[22:04] <PabloRubianes> Es really nice
[22:05] <bkerensa> #vote Application of Nekhelesh Ramananthan (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nekhelesh%20Ramananthan)
[22:05] <meetingology> Please vote on: Application of Nekhelesh Ramananthan (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nekhelesh%20Ramananthan)
[22:05] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:05] <cjohnston> +1
[22:05] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[22:05] <bkerensa> #votesrequired 4
[22:05] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[22:05] <PabloRubianes> +1
[22:05] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[22:05] <bkerensa> +1
[22:05] <meetingology> +1 received from bkerensa
[22:05] <chilicuil> +1, great work
[22:05] <meetingology> +1, great work received from chilicuil
[22:05] <Pendulum> +1
[22:05] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[22:05] <bkerensa> #endvote
[22:05] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Application of Nekhelesh Ramananthan (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nekhelesh%20Ramananthan)
[22:05] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:05] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:05] <bobweaver> \o/
[22:05] <nik90> Wow! Thank you everyone.
[22:05] <bkerensa> nik90: congratulations!
[22:06] <popey> Boom!
[22:06] <WebbyIT> yeah, congrats nik90 :D
[22:06] <popey> Congratulations nik90
[22:06] <bobweaver> congrates nik90  you deserve it
[22:06] <chilicuil> welcome abroad, keep inspiring us, nik90 =)!
[22:06] <nik90> thnx WebbyIT, popey, bkerensa, chilicuil, bkerensa
[22:06] <nik90> It means a lot to be accepted
[22:06] <bkerensa> #topic Application of Carlos Ney Pastor (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarlosNeyPastor)
[22:06] <PabloRubianes> Congrats
[22:06] <nik90> PabloRubianes: thnx :)
[22:07] <bkerensa> Is anyone here in support of CarlosNeyPastor?
[22:07] <CarlosNeyPastor> disculpen pero mi manejo del ingles es pobre, si me pueden ayudar
[22:07] <chilicuil> CarlosNeyPastor: si, no hay problema, presentate en español
[22:08] <bkerensa> CarlosNeyPastor: no problema proceda
[22:09] <CarlosNeyPastor> Soy CarlosNeyPastor , soy de Uruguay
[22:10] <CarlosNeyPastor> hace años utilizo Ubuntu hace años, trato de ayudar a las personas que estan comenzando a utulizar Ubuntu
[22:11] <CarlosNeyPastor> hace un año soy integrande del consejo de Ubuntu Uruguay
[22:11] <bkerensa> CarlosNeyPastor: ¿Puede decirnos eres un estudiante o lo que su profesión es? ¿Tienes un hobby?
[22:12] <CarlosNeyPastor> Soy tecnico en reparación de PC, estoy terminando la carrera profecional la cual me falta un año para concluirla.
[22:13] <CarlosNeyPastor> Mis hobbies son ayudar a personas en los foros, hacer documentaciones de uso de cosas relacionadas con el software libre, principalmente Ubuntu
[22:14] <bkerensa> excelente
[22:14] <bkerensa> Do any other board members have questions?
[22:14] <chilicuil> CarlosNeyPastor: hola, veo que has hecho algunos manuales para principiantes, has pensado en colaborar con doc.ubuntu-es.org ?, la ultima vez que revise hacian falta personas
[22:16] <CarlosNeyPastor> Personalmente me gustaria participar en algun proyecto como por ejemplo doc.ubuntu-es.org, actualmente no dispongo de mucho tiempo como para tener una constancia, pero es algo pendiente uqe tengo
[22:16] <CarlosNeyPastor> hasta el momento he relizado manuales de uso de cosas puntuales y actualmente estoy haciendo una guia de uso y configuracion de Ubuntu
[22:16] <bkerensa> CarlosNeyPastor: Pues bien, parece que está muy dedicado a ayudar siempre que sea posible
[22:16] <CarlosNeyPastor> a nivel muy basico
[22:17] <bkerensa> Shall we vote?
[22:18] <bkerensa> #vote Application of Carlos Ney Pastor (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarlosNeyPastor)
[22:18] <meetingology> Please vote on: Application of Carlos Ney Pastor (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarlosNeyPastor)
[22:18] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:18] <bkerensa> #votesrequired 4
[22:18] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[22:18] <PabloRubianes> +1
[22:18] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[22:18] <cjohnston> +1
[22:18] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[22:18] <Pendulum> +1
[22:18] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[22:18] <bkerensa> +1 Espero sus continuas contribuciones! Buen trabajo!
[22:18] <meetingology> +1 Espero sus continuas contribuciones! Buen trabajo! received from bkerensa
[22:18] <chilicuil> +1, colaboracion extensa en varias actividade
[22:18] <meetingology> +1, colaboracion extensa en varias actividade received from chilicuil
[22:18] <bkerensa> #endvote
[22:18] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Application of Carlos Ney Pastor (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarlosNeyPastor)
[22:18] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:18] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:18] <PabloRubianes> CarlosNeyPastor, vamo Uruguay noma!
[22:19] <nik90> congrats CarlosNeyPastor!
[22:19] <bkerensa> CarlosNeyPastor: ¡Felicidades
[22:19] <CarlosNeyPastor> Gracias!
[22:19] <chilicuil> CarlosNeyPastor: felicidades!, bienvenido al club ;)
[22:19] <CarlosNeyPastor> Muchas gracias!!
[22:19] <bkerensa> Thanks to our applicants who are now new members and to the board members!
[22:19] <chilicuil> CarlosNeyPastor: tengo entendido que Naudy tambien ha estado trabajando sobre manuales para principiantes, tal vez quieras ponerte en contacto con el
[22:20] <nik90> thank you board members and all who attended
[22:20] <bkerensa> Please be sure to see Membership Perks that may interest you here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[22:21] <CarlosNeyPastor> chilicuil: gracias por el dato, no he podido hablar con Naudy mucho, aunque establecimos una buena relacion de amistad luego de la UbuConLA 2013
[22:22] <chilicuil> CarlosNeyPastor: =)
[22:26] <bkerensa> #endmeeting
[22:26] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Aug  1 22:26:15 2013 UTC.
[22:26] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-08-01-22.00.moin.txt
[22:26] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-08-01-22.00.html


[16:15] <MohamedAlaa98> hi
[16:15] <MohamedAlaa98> hi thelinuxer
[16:17] <thelinuxer> hi MohamedAlaa98 :)
[16:17] <thelinuxer> where have u been ?
[16:18] <MohamedAlaa98> you know, exams, studying
[16:18] <thelinuxer> MohamedAlaa98: Rabena ma3ak :)
[16:18] <MohamedAlaa98> how are you?
[16:19] <thelinuxer> fine el 7amdulelah
[16:19] <MohamedAlaa98> al7md lelah
[16:19] <thelinuxer> and u ?
[16:19] <MohamedAlaa98> fine :D
[16:20] <MohamedAlaa98> where is ashams? he was offline for a long time?
[16:20] <thelinuxer> yes he is relocating
[16:20] <thelinuxer> no internet connection we keda
[16:20] <thelinuxer> expect him to be offline for sometime
[16:20] <MohamedAlaa98> and Wazery?
[16:21] <thelinuxer> wazery mawgood
[16:21] <thelinuxer> bas mesh 3ala el IRC
[16:21] <MohamedAlaa98> fatny 7agat lamma makontsh bafta7?
[16:21] <MohamedAlaa98> 3mlto 7aga gededa?
[16:21] <thelinuxer> I guess ...
[16:22] <thelinuxer> we have tons of release parties planned
[16:22] <thelinuxer> check the loco directory
[16:22] <MohamedAlaa98> ah, ok
[16:22] <thelinuxer> sorry man gtg
[16:22] <thelinuxer> catch u later isA
[16:23] <MohamedAlaa98> isA
[16:23] <MohamedAlaa98> salam
[16:23] <thelinuxer> salam
[19:20] <sherif> hi
[19:22] <EgyParadox> sherif,
[19:22] <EgyParadox> hi
[19:22] <EgyParadox> Welcome
[19:24] <sherif> thx
[19:24] <sherif> i need help
[19:25] <sherif> egyparadox
[19:25] <sherif> twitter never open in chromium
[19:25] <sherif> and sites takes longer time to open
[19:25] <sherif> :S


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 @tsimonq2
[18:20] <acheronuk> ping ping ping
[18:20] <acheronuk> could someone please check this website post: http://kubuntu.org/?p=3335&preview=true
[18:21] <acheronuk> Plasma 5.10.5 and FW 5.37 backports
 For zesty?
 yes
[18:27] <clivejo> http://docs.kubuntu.org/docs/repositories.html link is broken
[18:27] <clivejo> 404
 http://docs.kubuntu.org/1704/docs/repositories.html
 I think now?
[18:28] <clivejo> why was it moved?
 For version control
[18:29] <acheronuk> fixed
[18:29] <clivejo> also the links at the bottom could be hyperlinked for handiness
[18:29] <clivejo> 1 and 3 at least
[18:30] <acheronuk> ahh. those got lost in the copy/paste
[18:32] <acheronuk> also fixed
[18:34] <acheronuk> any more changes?
[18:35] <clivejo> think you can push the button now :)
[18:36] <acheronuk> pushed!
[18:37]  * clivejo wonders would Canonical install a LetsEncrypt SSL on kubuntu.org
[18:37] <acheronuk> why?
[18:37] <clivejo> Googles search prefers them
[18:38] <clivejo> and they are free
[18:38] <clivejo> and why not :P
[18:42] <acheronuk> all good reasons
[18:49] <clivejo> who looks after (or doesn't) http://www.kubuntu-de.org/ ?
[18:54] <clivejo> registered to James Troup (Canonical)
[19:16] <valorie> acheronuk: the story looks great
[19:16] <acheronuk> :)
[19:18] <valorie> so did our SRUs finally get through?
[19:18] <acheronuk> not yet
[19:18] <clivejo> valorie: do you know anything about these alt-kubuntu domains?
[19:20] <valorie> I don't
[19:20] <valorie> jon or sitter might remember
[19:20] <valorie> woah, so out of date
[19:21] <clivejo> should be taken down really
[19:32]  * clivejo giggles
[19:32] <clivejo> kubuntu.ooo
[19:32] <valorie> yes, if there is nobody to care
[19:32] <clivejo> kubuntu.cool
[19:32] <valorie> the forum is probably mostly spam unless it's watched over
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 @ahoneybun, OMG yasssss :D
[20:20] <valorie> rofl
 I need to get myself one of those...
[20:27] <valorie> don't do it, it's a trick!
[20:27] <ahoneybun> it is
[20:27] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:28] <clivejo> must get one for bog roll
[20:31] <acheronuk> There is a Heineken one?
[20:31] <valorie> oh good lord
[20:32] <clivejo> probably, there is a Durex one
[20:32] <tsimonq2> There's one for all sorts of things
[20:32] <tsimonq2> Keurig stuff!
[20:32] <acheronuk> Yep, the Heineken one seems real!
[20:32] <ahoneybun> I think if amazon selling it
[20:32] <acheronuk> I need: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLH8pWCUcAAI0i0.png
[20:34] <tsimonq2> lol
[20:46] <ahoneybun> that's not prime shipping btw tsimonq2
[20:46] <ahoneybun> 3-5 days
 Bah
 idc


[00:57] <m4v> niko: ping
[01:10] <niko> m4v: yes
[01:13] <m4v> we're giving a test run to a factoid bot  in #ubuntu-es, can you set the char prefix for call uBOTu-fr to something else or disable it for #ubuntu-es and #ubuntu-es-ops?
[01:13] <m4v> config channel #ubuntu-es supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars ''
[01:14] <niko> it s channel specific ,?
[01:14] <m4v> yep
[01:14] <niko> !config channel #ubuntu-es supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars @
[01:14] <niko> !config channel #ubuntu-es supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars '@'
[01:15] <m4v> can't you disable it? with ''
[01:15] <niko> ( uBOTu-fr have factoids rn )
[01:15] <m4v> if we need to call it we can use the nick
[01:15] <niko> !config channel #ubuntu-es supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars ''
[01:16] <niko> !config channel #ubuntu-es-ops supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars ''
[01:17] <m4v> niko: thanks, and yes, I know that it has factoids, but by using #kubuntu-es's bot we won't need to rebuild the factoid database
[01:17] <niko> ok, no matter :)
[01:26] <m4v> niko: config options that are prefixed by a '#' when you do a "config list" can be set to be channel specific :)
[12:41] <erUSUL>  insmod in #ubuntu deserves a kick or a ban
[12:45] <bazhang> they both do
[12:45] <jpds> He left.
[12:45] <bazhang> yep
[16:20] <jussi01> erUSUL: ubottu has @commands and !factoids ;)
[16:21] <erUSUL> jussi01: ok ok point taken
[16:22] <jussi01> erUSUL: no probs, just making sure. (given I own the bot and so...) :)


[20:19] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Jonathan Carter: DebConf 20 Online @ https://jonathancarter.org/2020/09/06/debconf-20-online/
[21:44] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: UKUI 3.1 Desktop is Shaping Up Nicely ahead of October Release @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/09/ukui-3-1-desktop-environment-changes (by Joey Sneddon)
[21:47] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 647 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue647 :D
[22:06] <krytarik> Bashing-om: "Making apps for Linux, a proposal", as copied from the page info dialog rather than all-caps as displayed on the web page itself - wonder how one can simply take over an all-caps title like this that's also then listed in the issue summary and makes one think of spam..
[22:10] <krytarik> Bashing-om: https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2020/09/02/security-things-in-linux-v5-6/ - and I wonder how that is anything remotely close to being a meeting report.
[22:11] <Bashing-om> krytarik: We could go back and over-ride the author - and make it lower case - emphasis is. however, I think somewhat intended.
[22:13] <Bashing-om> krytarik: "things in linux": as we also do similar with desktop updates - is there a better place for the sercurity things ?
[22:17] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Some blog software format text for display differently from how it was written, in the case of article titles often in all-caps - if you hit Ctrl+u on that page, as indicated you'll also see "<title>as days pass by — Making apps for Linux, a proposal</title>", the latter part of which being the article title as originally written - overriding nothing here by simply sticking to that.
[22:17] <Bashing-om> krytarik: If ya want - as "security things" also appear in the Planet - we could move and summarize.
[22:18] <krytarik> Well, if it was feature on the Planet, then yeah I guess you could move it there.
[22:18] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Trying the ctrl+u - and editing - thanks !
[22:58] <Bashing-om> UWN: Edit and move completed - next !