[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71745 in xkeyboard-config "No UK pound sign" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71745
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70082 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "xorg crashes while opening text file in gedit" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70082


[00:20] <mwhudson> no idea
[00:24] <mwhudson> why would a package Recommend: libssl1.1
[00:32] <dbungert> rhash is dlopening libssl and is recommending libssl1.1
[00:42] <sarnold> that'd do it, heh
[00:46] <mwhudson> ah
[03:19] <mwhudson> schopin: does https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SJwtnSv2Vt/ for rhash look sane to you?
[03:20] <mwhudson> (it does seem to work)
[06:55] <jochensp> Hi, can someone help with getting open3d 0.14.1 into jammy? The build problem on ppc64el seems to be Ubuntu specific so either fixing them or dropping the old ppc64 deb would be great https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open3d/0.14.1+dfsg-7build1/+build/23196432
[08:44] <schopin> mwhudson: I'd need to actually check what symbols it uses in libcrypto, the ABI might have changed. There's a reason the soname was bumped, after all ;). But assuming you did, yeah it looks sane.
[12:04] <ahasenack> morning
[19:37] <mwhudson> schopin: yeah i think the symbols it uses are still there, if deprecated
[19:37] <ahasenack> morning, mwhudson
[19:49] <mwhudson> ahasenack: good morning
[19:49] <mwhudson> schopin: it's coded quite defensively so it's hard to be sure though
[20:02] <mwhudson> i guess i can muck around with gdb
[20:04] <mwhudson> yeah it's definitely still calling into libcrypto
[20:09] <mwhudson> RikMills: hey does https://gist.github.com/mwhudson/3e8a36fd01600b9ae85f0e7e103d5ae1 for qt6-base makes sense? it looks like upstream has support for openssl3 already
[20:10] <RikMills> mitya57: ^ ?
[20:10] <RikMills> mwhudson: I'll let the debian qt maintainer answer that
[20:12] <RikMills> oh qt6
[20:12] <mitya57> I would rather do this: https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/qt/qtbase/-/commit/531c31ae58aefc7c
[20:13] <mitya57> mwhudson: in any case, can you please make a MR in salsa?
[20:13] <mwhudson> mitya57: that looks much nicer
[20:13] <mwhudson> blah nim dlopens a hardcoded list of ssl versions
[20:14] <mwhudson> oh maybe you can override it at configure time
[20:22] <mwhudson> hmm this is a bit involved :)
[20:48] <jochensp> (sorry to repost) can someone help with open3d in jammy maybe by dropping the old ppc64el bulid so it can transition?
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> jochensp: That might be a more appropriate request in #ubuntu-release since that's where the archive is coordinated primarily.
[20:53] <jochensp> ah, thx
[22:21] <mwhudson> mitya57: would you be ok with making an MR on salsa with your changes?
[22:34] <mwhudson> jochensp: i don't have a jammy environment with a window server running to test this really :/
[22:34] <jochensp> I have a VM here
[22:35] <mwhudson> ah xvfb-run to the rescue
[22:35] <mwhudson> jochensp: yeah but i don't really want to remote hands you through gdb
[22:36] <jochensp> btw. is there a debuginfod for Ubuntu already?
[22:36] <mwhudson> no :(
[22:37] <mwhudson> this is the traceback fwiw https://gist.github.com/mwhudson/ef83c9ee4aba17c776c1b4fe8de382bf
[22:54] <mwhudson> yeah valgrind is pretty unhappy
[23:35] <jochensp> mwhudson: I need to go to bed, will continue tomorrow. Thanks for your help!
[23:36] <mwhudson> jochensp: i should probably drop this too but i am thoroughly nerd sniped now
[23:36] <jochensp> :D


 Yeah, something that has been implemented a long time ago and shipped in this state... No idea what it's supposed to be doing :D
 just disable the lunar calendar again, then everything is fine
 @neothethird, yeah, that's what I did
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 We're looking to release OTA-2 next saturday. Help us test to make sure everything is smooth sailing: https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/road-to-ota-2-75
 @neothethird, I would help but I don't own any of the supported devices. Sorry😢
 @jackmi95, thanks, hope we'll get more supported devices soon. Thanks for sticking around anyways 👍
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ugh pin with notify
 @jackmi95, Same.
 @jcjordyn120, For not having a supported device, this.
 i have a deep thought by Wayne Out There: … Have you ever noticed how you need Dekko to do anything in Ubuntu Touch? … But it's not pre-installed? … That's weird. … That's your deep thought by Wayne Out There
 ok.  Word on the street (just leaked out) is that... … ready for it??? … Ready for it?? … All you old skool hardware people... … Ready for it?
 N4 is SUPPORTED!!!!!!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/kG1V5XYC/file_639.mp4
 But I don't know how to get it.  But I'll figure it out
 is the channel going to work? … will everything die?
 I"m sooo excited!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/620Tt66T/file_640.mp4
 who invited you to the party, Joe In Here?
 do you have N4???
 No N4, No party 4u!
 I'm always in here. And yes.
 oh!
 we'll let's get this party STarrrrrrted!
 every party person in the house with an N4 say WOOT WOOOT!
 maybe i wasn't loud enough
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/n06nStU9/file_641.mp4
 oh!! we're in western time zone. that's it.  they'll party when we're sleeping
 wait. this says 'no channel called stable' … sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=mako \ … —channel=15.04/devel —bootstrap
 long time no...flash
 I think I maybe did it with magic device tool
 frashing
 oh.... well it's workign with that terminal thing
 the green robot is on the surgery table
 soon to reimerge as Yumi! maybe...
 no pressure guys but if this kills my business my family will starv
 oh oh. flashing orange dots. i think this is old... :(
 helpdesk? helpdesk?
 haha
 crrrrrap
 Noob question... If I want to modify a kernel, can I just add different flags to the defconfig or do I have to "make menuconfig"
 Guys I'm getting a final error : … ```make: *** No rule to make target 'libqmi', needed by '/home/aki237/phablet/out/target/product/ham/obj/EXECUTABLES/wpa_supplicant_intermediates/config.o'.  Stop.```
 I have a … ```libqmi.so``` … in the vendor directories of my device … ```ham```
 i think mine is starting to work ! wooot
 why does UBports default to google search engine?
 this is the first bug I encountered
 cell pone call = success
 @wayneoutthere try to play a song or start music player....
 Is this the porting channel?
 ok stand by
 not really it's the 'everything channel'
 we're discussing what channel is for what... we are 'the' ubports group here
 @Ern_st, crash.
 @wayneoutthere, This is the remaining bug on the Nexus 4 : https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues?q=mako+label%3A%22device%3A+mako%22
 @Ern_st, cool.  did a cell call, sms, now going to for telegram and dekko ;)
 except these bugs, the nexus 4 works fine. really enjoy it
 had a bit of crash on video camera
 camea won't restart, haha
 still cameara was fine but then I ... is this the right spot to explain bugs?  i guess i should go to the link above
 @Ern_st, i wonder if i'm on the wrong channel.
 i flashed from the one on the main ubports page
 https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 i'll probably wait to do much utnil someone confirms i flashed from the right channel.  I did this: … sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=mako \
 yes you should be in stable
 @aki237, Anyone have ever encountered this ever while porting?
 so this is correct: … sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=mako \ … —channel=15.04/devel —bootstrap
 this one is the devel channel
 that's the one on ubports page. i tink it's not updated.
 the bugs listed above are on both channel so far
 oh no problem but my video camera doesn't work on this one
 so i want to make sure I'm on the right channel before I strt reporting bugs
 the nexus 4 updates are the same than other legacy update
 if it's not your daily phone, go for the devel ^^
 it is my daily phone haha
 but i'm not afraid to have a bad day for a good cause
 but i would like phone/sms/email/cam to work and they seem to
 in dev
 do you know how to change the code above so i get stable?
 sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=mako \ … —channel=15.04/[  something ] —bootstrap
 usually it's "stable" in the something, but maybe there isn't anything stable
 15.04/stable
 cool
 thanks team
 https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Release-Channels
 i'll re-flesh... and.. should I update that on main page here so most people get stable?
 main page of ?
 https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 ask the maintainer, they might be a reason
 ok i'm one of them kind of but not that section haa
 it says that channel isn'g able to find
 sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=mako —channel=15.04/stable —bootstrap
 i did it like that
 but RC did wor
 so i'll try that one.  stable = missing (maybe just for mako)
 anyway... cool. im' goig to go to bed but i can say my long hard day ended well haha
 #audiocast it!
 ok so once i confirm that there is not a stable channel for N4 then I will report this video camera bug
 it's there on RC too
 Hey @neothethird remember that time you asked me to re-write that 'ubports' thing (intro)? And then I did?  The old one is still there and it kind of sucks
 it was quickly written... let me know if you still have my version or if you need me to try to find it... that will be hard but
 i still feel like i might be on a wrong channel here and something has been updated... i thin i'll go to bed and see what happens in the morning.  night everyoe
 so?... … Those $1943 donations are only via patreon? 🤔
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 @Jaume81, Oh, that's not right. The cache folder on my desktop is only 80mb so somethings off there.  … Also you shouldn't need to prevent app suspension, that will be wasting battery as it will still be updating the view and running animations when not focused. dekkod runs in the background anyway and the UI should update when waking from suspension.
 @Jaume81 do you use POP3? that could explain the massive size if you do as Dekko will download *everything*
 @Josué, I have Meizu Pro 5. But I click the volum + and - thogether or at same time.
 @Dan, finally I get Hotmail by Outlook config but I was try pop3 config before.
 @Dan, if I clean cache will I erase the accounts?
 Good morning!!! In the morning.💤
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/30TF3O8k/file_642.webp
 @Jaume81 yes deleting the cache will erase the accounts.
 @Jaume81 what does `du -h ~/.cache/dekko2.dekkoproject/` in the terminal show?
 @shinyhairsmylifeambition, Yep, since I didn't have access to the other figures. But of course PayPal and Bitcoin donations are valued as well. :)
 @wayneoutthere, Sorry, forgot to tell you. Rc is the one you want
 @neothethird, I donate 'manually' every month via paypal to minimize patreon costs..
 That also arrives, I just didn't have access
 To the number
 allright. Just wondering
 I have thought clean cache with the app. Why terminal can't copy-paste?
 I do it the terminal order you say. What will I have to see?
[07:40] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @aki237, @Flohack any idea?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/EVsOVv6g/file_644.jpg
 @DanChapman
[07:45] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @aki237, Maybe better ask porting questions in the forum as they tend to get overseen in the chatter here.
[07:45] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> ^^ https://forums.ubports.com/category/33/porting
 Is there a forum thread to talk about scopes? Wanna tell my opinion
 @Jaume81 you can see there that the last line of output shows the cache folder is only 79MB not the 700 odd Tweak Tool shows
 Most of the cache usage will be from ~/.cache/dekko2.dekkoproject/mail which is showing 74MB
[08:12] <tgBot10> <demokrit atomos> does anybody know how to rotate the screen in yunit/unity8 + mir? (xrandr doesn't work)
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[08:45] <tgBot10> Henry Sprog was added by: Henry Sprog
[08:49] <tgBot10> <Henry Sprog> Sorry to be a pain but I had given up on touch until somebody told me about you. Like a plank I locked the boot loader on my Meizu Pro 5 any ideas how I can unlock it ( it needs a code and fastboot oem-unlock does not work).😭
 @Henry Sprog, First of all, welcome to the group. Did you try contacting the Meizu Support? Maybe they'll be able to help. Since this is a group chat, and questions like this tend to get lost easily, i'd suggest to also ask your question on forums.ubports.com.
 Hello ! Is https://translate.ubports.com/ down or it moved to a new url?
 @olisax, huh, looks like it's down. Pinging @Flohack
 Oh not just me then... I tried accessing it this morning but was having connection issues anyway so just put it down to that
 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/translate.ubports.com 😊
[09:00] <tgBot10> <Henry Sprog> @neothethird, I did and they were no use it appears that the ubuntu phone was unlocked and I am not the only one to lock it. From what I can gather it requires a lock code that only Meizu can provide but you have to go to a service centre the nearest one is in Asia which is no use for me in the uk. Thank you for the tip I will post the question but I have little hope!
 Henry Is https://forum.xda-developers.com/meizu-pro-5/how-to/tutorial-unlock-bootloader-meizu-pro-5-t3303127 still relevent? I presume you have the international version if it came with UT on originally
 Hi all ) I had created the Azerbaijani keyboard for ubuntu years ago )
 Now I want to contribute )
 @DanChapman, No problem. Like I said before, I understand is a beta version. Ubuntu Touch OS and the apps need a good fit to work well. Final version.
 @turanmahmudov, I can't find where to find keyboard source. Can you help me please?
 @turanmahmudov https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component
 @DanChapman thanks a lot :)
 👍
[09:09] <tgBot10> Louis O’Quinn was added by: Louis O’Quinn
 welcome :)
 how can i mannualy  refresh the dash when i install sometthing with "pkcon"
 @delijati, pull the dash down
 pull down and release
 ahh thanks :)
[09:22] <tgBot10> <Henry Sprog> @DanChapman, Hi Dan. Thanks for the link. I thought I had seen this but on closer inspection it is similar but not the same. I will read it and see if I can unlock the boot loader.
[09:34] <tgBot10> Dani was added by: Dani
 Does anyone has a review of the utouch experience on Nexus 5 with the current ubports status?
 I just noticed that I am not able to mount my OPO (latest devel). I know that bug was fixed long ago and it worked for me the last time I checked. I have rebooted the device, but same problem. Developer mode activated and phone unlocked. Regression? Could anyone confirm?
 @Dani, I've been using the Nexus 5 as my daily driver for a few months now. I have no amjor problems with it. Video doesn't work, LED notifications don't work but, for me, as a light user it's more than adequate. It's not a like for like replacement for Android though.
 Thank you so much, Peter
 @BrisPete, LED works for me for SMS, Telegram and calendar notifications
 has womething changed i dont see my log from "adb shell /system/bin/logcat"
[09:50] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @shinyhairsmylifeambition, No, but go and post you opinion on ubports forum page
[09:50] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> https://forums.ubports.com/
 @TomasOqvist, https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/13
 @Stefan Kalb, Thanks...
 console.log; qDebug are not shown anymore in "adb shell /system/bin/logcat" oO
 ok the last time i debugged my app was on ubuntu touch ...
 so ubports changed somethign regarding that ?
 i get this E/cutils-trace( 3120): Error opening trace file: Permission denied (13)
 not sure if it is related to my problem
 @delijati, isn't /system/bin/logcat for the android container?  … tail /var/log/syslog for the system log or tail ~/.cache/upstart/application-click<yourclickpackage>.log for your application log
 @Ern_st, This bug still affects also incoming calls, right?
[11:28] <tgBot10> ysgupta was added by: ysgupta
 welcome :)
 Hi,
 @Ern_st, Are you sure? on latest devel and rc as well?
 I am ubuntu user and I want to port ubuntu touch to my mobile.
 How should I proceed?
 halium.org will provide you with information on getting started
 what's your device?
 My device is not a listed device. It is Videocon Cube3.
 @ysgupta, Mediatek??
 Let me confirm first.
 yes, as per manufacturer website, it is MT6573V/W, 1.3Ghz Quad Core.
 Can we confirm it from baseband version?
 Does your device have atleast CM-12.1?
 No, It is android 6.0
 @Dani, I've been using the RC channel on a Nexus 5 for a week now and everything works except for making videos. No whatsapp app yet, but navigation, maps, browsing... all works perfectly.
 @Josué, Thanks!
 oh, and the notification led also works, only one colour though
 @Josué, Cool, thanks for the feedback. If you have time, we drafted a QA plan https://nc.ubports.com/s/VUiW8rZnOR2hMYg that testers can use to make sure everything works
 @neothethird, nice, I'll fill it out as soo as I have a second
 @Josué, thanks 👍
 @neothethird, should i update the website to show that?
 Hi all. I have a Bq E4.5 in rc r4 and recently (since last update I think, but I'm not sure) I can't open Webtelegram (it crashes after the splash screen), the Browser (I can see the home screen for a moment but without the textfield at the top and then it crashes) and in Dekko when I open a mail the app freezes in the middle of the animation while scrolling to right and then it crashes... … idk what can be happened, could be the new update that
[12:24] <tgBot10> too much ram, or something like that? … thanks😊
 oh, I've just seen the last bug to OTA 2...
 @Josué, same issue with video for N4 it seems.  Will be daily drivin' it today.  I'll try to put the bugs where they should be if any
 did anyone answer why we have to create an ubuntu one account to instsall apps?  I don't have to do that on my Unity Ubuntu
 Good point! I always thought it was kinda strange
 We demand answers
 Because Canonical said so
 the account is needed for Telegram push notifications...
 ah! that was it
 You can install apps from the OpenStore without an account
 oh!
 sweet.  ... including telegram?  If everything works without the original store, why don't we leave the open store and sack the original?
 Because the original store is still open and has some apps that people want
 @garrogarri, I don't know, i don't have a sim card in my nexus 4.
 @neothethird Trying to use ubports-installer: … ```./ubports-installer-0.1.6-beta-x86_64.AppImage  … bash: ./ubports-installer-0.1.6-beta-x86_64.AppImage: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error```
 @UniversalSuperBox, oh. i see and those apps can't be moved to the open store?  I assume this is already in the plans and im just talking about stuff that doesn't matter and will eventually happen.  Sorry
 @wayneoutthere, That's the responsibility of the app's developer
 @neothethird, Yes the bugs are still there.
 Can you reopen these bugs ?
 i installed telegram from original ubuntu store just now and i seem to only get the introductory message.  As soon as time came to input the SMS code... everything crashed and now it opens to the white screen of death-a-gram.  Should I have installed it from open store or something?
 it has an upgrade option if i open telegram from the open store....
[12:48] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Upgrade
 We've been in touch with app developers, asking if they could release their applications (the most important ones) on OpenStore too. There has been a generally positive response, however not all the developers replied to our request. … The good news is that many of the apps we're missing are open source. As we already did for some app, we could grab the sources, build and release the app as-is, and eventually wait for someone who's willing to
[12:48] <tgBot10> maintain it.
 @Milan Korecky, roger that
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 and ... telegram is working!  thanks folks.  Of course I can't supergroup with you from it but the rest seems to work so nearly able to daily drive...  thanks again for everyone who has been helping with n4.  I Heard it was someone named Andreas so thanks Andreas!
 going to try Dekko 2.  Is this smart or not?  I don't care if it kind of crashes but will it kill my main phone?
 wow.. nice startup flow on Dekko 2 so far!  looks nice, flows well.. 👍
 oh.. crap.  where do I file Dekko 2 bugs? the keyboard doesn't pop up to input my IMAP info, haha
 @wayneoutthere, You have to, if you want to use snaps..
 @garrogarri, i love the snaps idea so... ok.  i get it.  so later we could call it the 'snap store'
 I don't like that I need to log in every time
 to ubuntu store?  i haven't gotten that far. only installed telegram but that would be weird for sure.  but someone said that store will be shut down end of year.    ths is probably something the pros can talk about on the QA again.  anyway, i jst need to get my basics set up before I work together to daily drive this.  dekko is next... but it seems like Dekko 2 is not going to work for me.  Will have to figure out where to file bugs
 crazy. my keyboard showed up now! haha.
 i had to close it reopen it.
 @wayneoutthere, I was talking of the desktop store
 oh.  i don't remember that happening but i'm on unity (old one) if that matters
[13:20] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere you can install both Dekko, and to make appear the keyboard just swipe from left, it is know bug
[13:22] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Known
[13:29] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> https://dekkoproject.org/
[13:32] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/dekko/issues
 the keyboard issue maybe system related, I've seen other apps with the same problem. The temporary solution is to swipe to another app and back to the one you were using and the keyboard will pop up
 @wayneoutthere, That's not a dekko bug. It's somewhere in the platform plugins and how it handles input focusing of multi window apps
 *qpa platform plugin
[13:47] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @Henry Sprog, You can also try to support the european meizu support. Maybe they can help: http://support.meizumart.it/
 @garrogarri, You don't have to login if you use sudo.
 sorry for my inexperience. i want to explore more any one give me a hint where to start, please....!!!
[13:51] <tgBot10> amitsin6h was added by: amitsin6h
 @Josué, yeah you're for sure right.  That's twice today on different apps.
 @gostranger, hi!  sure.  what do you want to explore first?  give me one hint and 750 of us will send you many places!
 like... the phone?  the community?  developping?  Helping?
 developing
 @DanChapman, like sudo snapd ...? But from Gnome software it request log in
 @gostranger, cool.  well great news.  there are more than 2 developers in this group but I am not one of them.
 do you already develop stuff?  Someone here can probably direct you and guide you better than I... but definitely we need lots of help
 thanks a lot @wayneoutthere
 well, just let me know if you need anything.  also feel free to PM me on the side if I can hep
 help
 @garrogarri, Yeah just `sudo snap install foo`
 Where are the assets for the boot logo? (not the unity system compositor, the thing before that)
[14:20] <tgBot10> <Tardis96 Desenvolvedor> Some news about ubphone for harpia?
[14:21] <Beton> Is https://translate.ubports.com/ down or it's just my connection problem?
 Beton, it's having some issues with locking its database. It's working, just very slowly. @Flohack is on the case.
 @Tardis96 Desenvolvedor, This is the only news  I have.  Maybe Halium? … https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
[14:23] <tgBot10> <Tardis96 Desenvolvedor> Thanks
 @UniversalSuperBox, OpenStore app v2 is waiting for some new translation strings ;)
[14:25] <Beton> Ok, thanks, so I will wait ;)
 I have pinged the master of Weblate again.
 if we all bug him will that make him work faster? lol
 make a bot bug him
 have it send him random gifs
 ```$ systemctl status apache2 … ... … Active: inactive (dead) since Wed 2017-09-20 06:06:40 UTC; 8h ago```
 Well, there's the problem
 It came back up!
 I pinged it with a begging tone and it responded
 that was a lie.
 The OpenStore v2 app is ready for release, if you would like to translate some strings before we do that, check out (the now alive again) weblate: https://translate.ubports.com/projects/openstore/openstore-app/
[14:41] <Beton> OperationalError (1205, 'Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction')... When i trying to save changes.
 @bhdouglass, Cool ! It seems that french is already 100% translated, correct?
 well, weblate seems to be a little slow importing the new strings, check back later?
 Ok, weblate seems to have caught up. Be nice to it, it's having a rough morning :)
 (send it some coffee)
 hi, does the Ubuntu login work for translate?
 I get this: IntegrityError at /accounts/complete/ubuntu/ … (1048, "Column 'social_id' cannot be null")
 It seems you need to have name,username and e-mail ticked to make it work; working now
[15:03] <tgBot10> FabioMorandini was added by: FabioMorandini
 @bhdouglass, now that is something I'm actually able to do. Almost.
 N4: Telegram app works but then when falls asleep and start using it again, as soon as it gets network connectivity (resumes) it puts it back to welcome screen where you have to input the phone number and start setting up app from scratch
 throwing it out there since I"m middle of work day
 Xiaomi and Meizu the best.   I was thinking maybe some of these bugs will wash away if I do that...
 173/5000 … I installed the stable version, I updated by terminal and it appears to turn on the flashlight but it does not work. normal? Do you have to wait for the ota 2 to work?.nexus 5
[16:55] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, Webtelegram or app Telegram?
[16:56] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, Which version do you have and what channel?
[17:01] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @geminis65, Do you mean you have made update from stable to RC channel?
 de rc a stable
[17:06] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> On Nexus 5 with stable the flaslight does not work yet, neighter installing the app from openstore. If you want to try go to RC or better wait until Saturday OTA2 should arrive.
 But we'd highly encourage you go to rc and follow the pinned link to test the new stuff
 @Milan Korecky, app
 that's cool. i never thought of web telegram but i saw it there... hmm.
 @Milan Korecky, RC
 @UniversalSuperBox, cool. i accidentally did that for you! my phone doesn't ring by the way.  no sound.  one ring... silence
 actually no ring tones at all. just vibrator. haha
 this is not aawesome for sales but i'm in this for the team!
 @wayneoutthere, That'd be great information in the test plan document, submitted to Jan's e-mail!
 was in rc but he put the stable to test if everything rc worked
 something I notice is that the system becomes unstable if you install something on top of a previous installation. I did that and I had to use the erase and reset all to actually get it to work
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/5YncbMvv/file_646.webp
 @neothethird, Sorry me was in planes and did not look into supergroup 😆. Fixed now
[17:59] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, 👍
 can you install this from the recovery?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/9nhWuFwg/file_647.gz
 vivid-preinstaled-touch-armhf-tar-gz
 Before I give you the answer... Why are you trying to do that?
 I like to mess around and try new things
 Well, that image is the same one that the devel channel uses. So you're not really getting anything new
 Thank you very much.I like to trastear and try things.Although this I do not know anything and half of things do not work.
 if anyone is wondering: trastear = play with, test or touch things I'm not supposed to
 so i just wanted to quickly confirm: the best channel is RC for N4, correct? I mean the closest to 'stable' correct>?
 @wayneoutthere, yes and you can help us testing ^^
 Great function in Dekko2!!! To look for the e-mails from the same person
 Only have to push the icon
 To search e-mails, sorry
 hello. is this ok group to ask how to enable and pair bluetooth mouse with adb command (touchscreen has no touch)
[20:14] <tgBot10> Darren Shipp was added by: Darren Shipp
 @Darren Shipp, welcome
[21:02] <ubports_bot> Project daily-bacon build #276: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/276/
[21:03] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1043: SUCCESS in 57 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1043/
 @beernarrd, fairly easy with bluetoothctl
 @Flohack, ok.  i'll do my best in a few hours to do some testing for you.  today's first day with N4 was a 'challenge' but i feel like they are fixable
 Anybody has the advanced VPN app as a click package? The original is not on-line anymore
 @Ern_st, ok but without touch, cannot adb to the device (right after first boot - no developer mode).
 @beernarrd, except your phone accepd a usb mouse you cannot
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/vpMgd9EN/file_648.mp4
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/w14XposW/file_649.mp4
 were there so few changes in OpeStore v2  from texts point of view? like 13 or so?
 @bhdouglass this question summons you
 thaks @UniversalSuperBox  🙂
 Tactical pings
 Anybody have problems with the keyboard?
 You're gonna need to be more specific.
 Because sometimes shows the last word I wrote.
 I have many problems with my keyboard, including the fact that it has an indent of my face in it.
 Ah, okay, that one
 wrote.and now happens
 Yes, that's a bug that's been reported. https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component/issues/7
 👍. And the cursor to move between letter or words?
 Hmm?
 https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component/issues/14 ?
 @PhoenixLandPirate is very well spoken
 :P
 @thepeter, I'll summon @sverzegnassi 🙂
 For example, in iOS's keyboard when you pull the keyboard show the trackpad and in Android when you pull the text make zoom.
 @bhdouglass, wait... but if Stefano summons me we'll be in a summon loop! This would be disastrous.
 @bhdouglass, hehe okay :) thx
 Yes that link @UniversalSuperBox
 just found out that the was not even created my language for system settings so I am starting it up from scratch 🙃
 I prefer the Apple solution. And it seems more easy to put in Ubuntu Touch because the screen is the trackpad when you conect with an another screen.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I thought press and hold off space bar allowed you to move the cursor https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1566172
 use the space bar for moving the text cursor? what kind of craziness is that?
 Same as iOS IIRC
 @thepeter, Most of the work on the new client app has been focused on its backend, which now uses brand new APIs made by @bhdouglass . The UI (and strings) only received minor changes this time :)
 Or transform in trackpad making a swipe up from the space bar.
 @ahayzen, But this already landed here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ubuntu-keyboard/trunk/revision/543 :-)
 @ahayzen, +1
 oh, I thought it meant something else, I thought the suggestion was to use the space bar to move the cursor forward one step
 @sverzegnassi, cool that I am glad to hear 🙂 then my work there is done and I'll focus on system-settings translation 😙
 In the keyboard it's very difficult put the cursor between two writen words.
 @neothethird yesterday or before I propose a few swipes to Ubuntu Touch. I saw a iPhone X's video and Apple do it but they swipe from the up corners.
 @Cesar_Herrera, It's true
 @Flohack why are we using "hotspot" and not "tethering" when sharing cellular  data connection over Wi-Fi? 😀
 @thepeter, You mean the word?
 yep
 No idea ask Canonickel
 hehehe okay I suggest, we in time change it to "terminus technicus" :D (OTA 3 maybe?)
 ^^
 btw just hour agou found out there wasn't yet created slovak language for system-settings module so it will take me a while (writting it from scratch)
 hmm uh rly?
 strange how the quality of the translations differs
 yep I was surprissed too, I lived in the world where everything I was offered was translated to slovak already, until I saw your post on forums and suddenly realised, that it was a lie ... 😅 will have to look for other modules because I suspect that there could be more without language being created
 but you can select Slovak as the language of the phone right?
 browser still crashing on bqE5 rc version 4.. did you roll it back?
 yes
 @Flohack, yes
 still the same here..
 I even have (on not switched device) system settings translated to slovak
 Ok we need to find out how to add new languages that are not part of Ubuntu as default ;)
 like the PC edition?


[00:00] <SuicideCow> What kind of game is blobwars?
[00:00] <Mark76> 2d Side scrolling massacre
[00:00] <SuicideCow> lol
[00:00] <evil_tech> >: D
[00:01] <Mark76> There's a 3D sequel called Blob adn Conquer
[00:01] <SuicideCow> Haha
[00:01] <Mark76> ;)
[00:02] <evil_tech> lol
[00:02] <SuicideCow> I have another question while waiting for the installer to comple
[00:02] <SuicideCow> te
[00:03] <Mark76> Go on
[00:03] <SuicideCow> How do you install software on the Ubuntu systems?I know how to do it with the Software remove utility, but say i wan to install firefox <IP_ADDRESS>. i download it and get a package named firefox<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz
[00:04] <evil_tech> synaptic
[00:04] <SuicideCow> Syn what?
[00:04] <evil_tech> synaptic it is the package manager
[00:04] <SuicideCow> Ah ok
[00:04] <SuicideCow> I was already wondering if i had to do it manually
[00:04] <evil_tech> applications-> system-> synaptic
[00:04] <SuicideCow> Thanks
[00:04] <evil_tech> or from the command line: sudo apt-get install *name of package*
[00:04] <SuicideCow> Installer is at 15% now, thanks for all the support
[00:05] <evil_tech> no problem :)
[00:05] <Mark76> Synaptic is our secret weapon against Windoze
[00:05] <SuicideCow> Haha
[00:06] <Mark76> Synaptic, ruthlessness and surprise
[00:06] <Mark76> ANd an almost fanatical dedication to the Pope
[00:06] <evil_tech> make sure you enable all the repositories
[00:06] <SuicideCow> Lol, seems the installer is frozen
[00:06] <evil_tech> it will seem that way
[00:06] <evil_tech> but just let it sit there
[00:06] <SuicideCow> Can't move the mouse, even turning on capslock doen't work
[00:06] <SuicideCow> Oh ok
[00:07] <evil_tech> oh that might be bad then
[00:07] <Mark76> Ooh
[00:07] <evil_tech> if you cant do anything or get caps lock on then you probably have to restart
[00:07] <Mark76> Maybe it's detecting the mouse and keyboard?
[00:08] <evil_tech> possible
[00:08] <evil_tech> but should have done that when you selected region though
[00:09] <Mark76> Has he done that yet?
[00:09] <evil_tech> thought so
[00:09] <SuicideCow> Yes i did
[00:09] <Mark76> It's a while since I last installed Ubuntu
[00:09] <SuicideCow> I was at the step where i had to enter my name and password
[00:09] <SuicideCow> Then clicked next, and now it is installing the system
[00:09] <Mark76> Is it still unresponsive?
[00:09] <SuicideCow> Yes it is
[00:10] <SuicideCow> Im going to give it a reboot
[00:10] <Mark76> Okay
[00:10] <evil_tech> i still think the alternate install is the best option in this case
[00:10] <SuicideCow> Yes i think so
[00:10] <SuicideCow> Ill re format the HD ( just to be sure nothing is left)
[00:10] <SuicideCow> 30 minutes till Alternate CD is complete
[00:11] <Mark76> Good luck SuicideCow
[00:11] <SuicideCow> K
[00:11] <evil_tech> grr cant get my desktop cube to be a cube
[00:11] <SuicideCow> You know what i also love about this laptop?
[00:12] <hyper__ch> hiho
[00:12] <SuicideCow> It doesn't has an Internet port xD
[00:12] <SuicideCow> Just an old Modem Cable(the thin ones)
[00:12] <Mark76> I want a desktop cube :(
[00:13] <evil_tech> does it at least have a pcmcia slot?
[00:13] <SuicideCow> yes it does
[00:13] <evil_tech> why cant you get one
[00:13] <Mark76> I don't know how
[00:13] <SuicideCow> Well, a friend has two of them 56k modem PCMCIA slot xD
[00:13] <SuicideCow> But he can't find the propper cables
[00:13] <evil_tech> lol
[00:13] <SuicideCow> And if im correct it also had Wireless internet( Guess 802.11a xD )
[00:14] <Mark76> I have compiz installed, but I don't know how to start it up
[00:14] <evil_tech> alt + F2  compiz --replace
[00:15] <evil_tech> you also have to have XGL installed: sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl
[00:16] <Mark76> Hang on
[00:18] <SuicideCow> 22 minutes people :D
[00:18] <evil_tech> there are more steps if you arent running gutsy
[00:18] <Mark76> Installing xserver-xgl
[00:20] <SuicideCow> What is actually the big difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[00:21] <evil_tech> ubuntu uses GNOME and kubuntu uses KDE
[00:21] <SuicideCow> ok.....
[00:22] <evil_tech> basically they perform the same task by giving you the user, an environment to use your computer
[00:22] <evil_tech> just do it in different ways
[00:23] <SuicideCow> Ah
[00:23] <evil_tech> GNOME uses GTK+ and KDE uses QT
[00:23] <SuicideCow> Ah
[00:24] <evil_tech> which are different programming libraries if i'm not mistaken
[00:24] <SuicideCow> Okidoki, i first thought GNOME and KDE were methodes of rendering( effects and stuff like that)
[00:24] <evil_tech> no
[00:25] <evil_tech> they are desktop environments= window manager + applications + file manager
[00:25] <SuicideCow> Ok, i understand now, thanks
[00:26] <evil_tech> welcome
[00:26] <evil_tech> finally put some of what i learned in school to use
[00:26] <evil_tech> :)
[00:26] <SuicideCow> Haha
[00:26] <SuicideCow> Our school teacher for the lesson with computers is an InfranView Freak
[00:27] <SuicideCow> If you say something like: "Mister, i need to go to the toiled" Then he says: "NO, INFRANVIEW BITCH! "
[00:27] <SuicideCow> (not realy, but that doesn matter :P )
[00:29] <SuicideCow> How do i change my name here, i am using Xchat
[00:30] <SuicideCow> nevermind
[00:31]  * SuicideCow writes
[00:31] <SuicideCow> lol
[00:31]  * SuicideCow is doing something
[00:34] <YorickPeterse> Im back
[00:36] <YorickPeterse> 4 MINUTES TILL ALTERNATE CD IS DOWNLOADED :)
[00:36] <YorickPeterse> FUCK
[00:36] <YorickPeterse> And i just discovered i burned my last CD
[00:37] <YorickPeterse> And this laptop doesn' reads DVDś
[00:37] <silliness> how do I have to edit fstab to make xubuntu 7.04 not tell me failed to eject when I push the eject button on rom drive?
[00:37] <YorickPeterse> Wait, found one :P
[00:38] <evil_tech> YorickPeterse= SuicideCow?
[00:38] <YorickPeterse> Yes
[00:39] <YorickPeterse> Changed my nickname
[00:39] <YorickPeterse> 55 seconds :p
[00:39] <evil_tech> sweet
[00:40] <YorickPeterse> Now let's hope i don't burn the disc at a too high speed
[00:40] <silliness> ok now  Icannot get my dvd out
[00:40] <YorickPeterse> lol
[00:40] <YorickPeterse> The DVD Drive is hungry :p
[00:40] <silliness> plextor junk
[00:41] <evil_tech> that is my preferred brand
[00:41] <evil_tech> still rocking PX-716a
[00:41] <evil_tech> :)
[00:41] <silliness> want me to make you hate them?
[00:41] <YorickPeterse> I have a LG
[00:41] <silliness> that what this one is
[00:41] <YorickPeterse> LG is nice
[00:41] <silliness> evil_tech,
[00:42] <YorickPeterse> NICK Yorick
[00:42] <YorickPeterse> crap
[00:43] <silliness> evil_tech, do you have any problems with it under xubuntu?
[00:43] <silliness> cause thats what I have exact model
[00:43] <evil_tech> not with xubuntu 7.04
[00:43] <evil_tech> havent upgraded the machine it is in to 7.10 yet
[00:44] <evil_tech> but it works fine with Brasero and K3B
[00:45] <YorickPeterse> Okidoki, nero is at 93% :D
[00:46] <YorickPeterse> And it is ready :D
[00:47] <evil_tech> let her boot
[00:47] <YorickPeterse> Let's hope she will :P
[00:48] <YorickPeterse> Oh
[00:48] <silliness> evil_tech, what do you get for dvd burn speeds?
[00:48] <YorickPeterse> Should i install it in Text mode?
[00:48] <evil_tech> yes
[00:48] <YorickPeterse> Ok
[00:49] <evil_tech> as for burn speeds ive burned DVD at 12x
[00:49] <evil_tech> DVD5
[00:49] <evil_tech> i have a hard time finding dual layer media faster than 2x so im stuck burning DVD9 at 2x
[00:49] <silliness> yes dvd 5
[00:50] <silliness> ok can you help me make mine burn that fast cause I don't know what  im doing wrong
[00:51] <silliness> I never get over 4x-6x
[00:51] <evil_tech> what program?
[00:51] <evil_tech> and what is the speed of the media?
[00:51] <silliness> 52x vertibatim and maxell
[00:52] <silliness> and no name
[00:52] <silliness> opps
[00:52] <silliness> 16x
[00:52] <silliness> looking at it right now I an get full speed with cdr
[00:52] <silliness> can
[00:52] <evil_tech> so its just DVD that is slow
[00:52] <silliness> k3b
[00:52] <silliness> yes
[00:53] <evil_tech> whats the device configuration in the machine look like. cause my drive is on its own IDE channel and gets fed data by a RAID 5 array
[00:54] <silliness> pata
[00:54] <silliness> but works at right speeds under win
[00:54] <evil_tech> is DMA turned on?
[00:55] <silliness> i865 chipset
[00:55] <evil_tech> and have you told K3B to burn at the max
[00:55] <silliness> yes
[00:55] <silliness> ok I have a question about dma
[00:55] <evil_tech> cause i think it defaults to 4-6x if it cant determine the speeds
[00:56] <silliness> with the new kernels do you need to set up hdparm?
[00:56] <evil_tech> not usually
[00:57] <silliness> I will test again cause I have a brand new three day old install
[00:58] <silliness> I have been having this issue for months trying to track an answer
[00:59] <YorickPeterse> I gotta go now, the installer is working so far, See you and thanks for the support
[00:59] <evil_tech> there is a k3b irc channel
[00:59] <evil_tech> no problem good luck
[00:59] <silliness> all programs were slow
[00:59] <evil_tech> hmm
[00:59] <silliness> some didn't even work
[01:00] <evil_tech> xfburn never worked for me
[01:00] <evil_tech> even had problems with brasero on some machines
[01:00] <evil_tech> k3b is my preferred
[01:00] <silliness> some would be three times as slow
[01:00] <silliness> same
[01:00] <evil_tech> had the best luck with it so far
[01:00] <silliness> sorry just ripping some files to hdd
[01:00] <silliness> to copy back
[01:01] <silliness> like 1.4 hours to burn dvd5
[01:01] <evil_tech> jeesh thats slow
[01:01] <evil_tech> the burner in my laptop burns dvd5 faster
[01:02] <silliness> what do you use for media
[01:02] <evil_tech> maxell and memorex
[01:03] <silliness> have you heard plextor is making new drives not work with free software
[01:03] <silliness> not as in free as in beer
[01:03] <evil_tech> no havent heard that
[01:03] <evil_tech> thats unfortunate
[01:03] <evil_tech> well i got to go to class
[01:04] <evil_tech> routers to program :)
[01:04] <silliness> shoot
[01:04] <silliness> are you going to be around after
[01:05] <evil_tech> ill be online at school
[01:05] <silliness> so can ask back in abit
[01:05] <evil_tech> if i can get IRC plugin to work on pidgin
[01:05] <evil_tech> otherwise there are plenty of other fine folks that can help
[01:06] <evil_tech> and there is always the kubuntu and ubuntu channels
[01:06] <silliness> ok cause your like the only one with a near same config
[01:06] <evil_tech> :)
[01:06] <silliness> l8r
[01:06] <evil_tech> peace
[01:23] <mehevi> hola amigos.  I have problem with xfce.  I run nm-applet to manage my connection, though it starts three times when I log into X!
[01:28] <silliness> ok I installed k3b from synaptic and will not open?
[01:30] <silliness> and no updates available
[01:30] <silliness> trying to create local folder /home/cjae/.kde/share: Permission denied
[01:30] <silliness> trying to create local folder /home/cjae/.kde/share: Permission denied
[01:30] <silliness> trying to create local folder /home/cjae/.kde/share: Permission denied
[01:30] <silliness> trying to create local folder /home/cjae/.kde/socket-cicero: Permission denied
[01:30] <silliness> trying to create local folder /home/cjae/.kde/socket-cicero: Permission denied
[01:30] <silliness> kdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Permission denied
[01:30] <silliness> Could not bind to socket '/home/cjae/.kde/socket-cicero/kdeinit__0'
[01:31] <silliness> ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication.
[01:31] <mehevi> !paste
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[01:32] <zoredache> mehevi: start nm-applet with --sm-disable
[01:32] <mehevi> hey silliness, how about you run synaptic as a superuser
[01:32] <zoredache> mehevi: kill off all the existing copies of nm-applet first of coruse
[01:32] <silliness> makes me put in password
[01:33] <silliness> and why is this not a default setup
[01:33] <silliness> maybe it didn't this time ill check
[01:34] <mehevi> zoredache where would I find where it starts nm-applet?  I edited my autostart file through xfce gui but its not even in there...   I added it with --sm-disabled and I got five instances of it at boot
[01:39] <silliness> mehevi, still won't start
[01:40] <mehevi> what wont start
[01:40] <silliness> k3b
[01:40] <mehevi> did you install it?
[01:40] <silliness> yes
[01:40] <silliness> has the permission error
[01:40] <mehevi> try /usr/bin/k3b, if that is the binary name
[01:41] <mehevi> well sudo k3b then
[01:42] <silliness> do I have to run it as root the first time and how do I make synaptic ask password again from the apps menu
[01:43] <mehevi> zoredache its starting before my autostart list is parsed, when my session starts (I use the simple splash) I can see it flash by before autostart, where is that list of programs it runs at login?
[01:43] <mehevi> silliness edit shortcut to be gksudo synaptic
[01:43] <xoss> good day.. wanted to know how i can prevent a user from removing the xfce panel?
[01:43] <mehevi> I've never used KDE or KDE apps silliness
[01:44] <zoredache> hrm...
[01:44] <mehevi> xoss, run xfce panel at a higher permission than the user?
[01:45] <mehevi> then they wouldnt be able to change it either, I suppose.
[01:45] <xoss> mehevi: how do i do that?
[01:45] <mehevi> xoss I dunno I'm an idea man.
[01:45] <xoss> mehevi: ok, thanks anyway
[01:46] <mehevi> sorry I'm newbish :(
[01:46] <xoss> mehevi: it's okay
[01:47] <mehevi> oh crap zoredache I think it may be in my gnome applications startup, since I load parts of gnome for applets
[01:49] <mehevi> ok just found a entry for nm in /.config/autostart.  removed, rebooting.
[01:53] <mehevi> craaaap.  now I have four instances running at startup
[01:53] <emdash> i've noticed that after updating to gutsy, firefox moves its window to my current window whenever I follow a link from an external application
[01:54] <mehevi> I've made it worse
[01:54] <emdash> i absolutely do not want this. is the issue with firefox or xfce
[01:54] <mehevi> which application?   Those cageriders hate it when you ride a bike too.
[02:03] <emdash> oh
[02:03] <emdash> i have discovered a solution to this on the internets
[02:03] <emdash> it appears it's an issue with xfce4.4.1 and later
[02:08] <emdash> actualy
[02:08] <emdash> hm
[02:09] <emdash> maybe the issues is with firefox, but xfce has a way to deal with it
[02:43] <gizmobay> Does anyone know how to lock your session on xubuntu?
[02:53] <evil_tech> ctrl alt del i think
[02:53] <evil_tech> is silliness on?
[02:55] <gizmobay> great, it works. Thanks!
[03:02] <evil_tech> your welcome
[05:19] <emdash> hurrrrrr
[05:19] <emdash> what is with python-mode in emacs22
[05:20] <emdash> it doesn't indent properly at all
[05:20] <emdash> this is completely unacceptable
[05:20] <emdash> why did the update force me to uninstall python-mode?
[06:13] <PiousMinion> Is it possible to install xubuntu/ubuntu with a minimal install with no X11 and such?
[06:14] <PiousMinion> I'm trying to remove as much of gnome dependencies as possible, but finding that not installing them in the first place might be a better approach.
[06:17] <tonyyarusso> PiousMinion: You can do anything from a minimal install, yes.
[06:22] <LastMall> PiousMinion   using the alternate install disk you can do a commandline install and then add from there.
[06:24] <LastMall> PiousMinion  the commands to get minimal kde up and running are on this page  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde-core
[06:25] <PiousMinion> thanks
[06:25] <PiousMinion> kde and minimal in the same sentence. heh
[06:27] <LastMall> PiousMinion  some more http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal#barebones
[06:28] <LastMall> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/xubuntu
[06:30] <PiousMinion> Other than gdm, what parts of the standard xubuntu desktop require gnome dependencies?
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> PiousMinion: Not sure, but Gutsy has a lot more than Feisty did.
[06:33] <PiousMinion> aye
[06:35] <yell0w> hey guys, how big is a xubuntu installation ?
[06:35] <PiousMinion> mine is bout 1.9gb
[06:35] <yell0w> PiousMinion, do you put extra stuff on there ?
[06:35] <PiousMinion> idk what it is "stock".
[06:36] <PiousMinion> yes
[06:36] <yell0w> what's the minimum ?
[06:36] <yell0w> lol
[06:36] <yell0w> i want to know if a 1gb usb can be used with it
[06:36] <LastMall> doesn't that include large things like open office ?
[06:36] <PiousMinion> I doubt it. I'm sure it's more than 1gb.
[06:37] <PiousMinion> LastMall:  ?
[06:37] <LastMall> a standard xubutnu install includes open office, corrrect ?
[06:37] <PiousMinion> yell0w: You might be able to boot the live enviroment from the usb drive. :)
[06:38] <PiousMinion> LastMall: I'm showing just the word processor part.
[06:38] <yell0w> that's a thought
[06:38] <yell0w> since the cd's only 700mb
[06:38] <PiousMinion> yell0w: : aye. I've managed to do that with knoppix in the past.
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> LastMall: yes, just Writer and core.
[07:43] <PiousMinion> Anyone have any idea if it's possible to set up a dual screen setup with one of the displays being attached to a different box?
[07:44] <zoredache> yes
[07:44] <zoredache> it is possible
[07:45] <PiousMinion> Can you point me in the right direction please?
[07:48] <zoredache> ah, well that is a much trickier question...
[07:48] <PiousMinion> a package/project name maybe?
[07:50] <zoredache> I thought Xinerama, but I am not so sure
[07:51] <PiousMinion> yeah, afaik xinerama just the module that allows dual screens in general.  Other packages I've found simply share the mouse and keyboard with a completely separate display and such do not allow me to drag windows from one to the other.  :/
[07:52] <PiousMinion> synergy is great for that but is not what I'm looking for.
[07:52] <zoredache> I am almost certain I have seen what you want, but I am not finding it in my bookmarks...
[07:59] <PiousMinion> woe is me
[08:02] <zoredache> you might consider asking in #ubuntu or #debian where there are more users
[08:03] <PiousMinion> debian yeah, but #ubuntu is full of 12 year olds ranting about stuff easily found in FAQs.
[08:03] <zoredache> they wouldn't help with the details, but you may find someone to point you in the right direction
[08:03] <PiousMinion> that's all I'm asking. hehe
[08:04] <zoredache> I wish my brain worked better... I am almost certain I read an bookmarked an article about this....
[08:07] <zoredache> xdmx?
[08:07] <zoredache> http://dmx.sourceforge.net/
[08:08] <PiousMinion> that just may be it.  :)
[08:08] <PiousMinion> thanks
[09:27] <desper> hello there. How to solve "adding xubuntu to the /etc/host " problem.
[09:27] <desper> any guy can help me?
[09:27] <nanonyme> erm, which problem?
[09:28] <nanonyme> desper, more information required
[09:28] <desper> any time after the login. it tells me to add xubuntu to the host file
[09:28] <nanonyme> also did you mean /etc/hosts?
[09:28] <desper> no. it said "host", maybe i can try hosts :) nice hint
[09:29] <nanonyme> it could have meant putting xubuntu (if that's your computer's name) as an alias for localhost
[09:30] <desper> yes it seems so. but adding xubuntu [yes, it's my computer name], but it does not work. I am gonna try /etc/hosts
[09:31] <desper> rebooting. thanks nanonyme
[10:24] <Mark76> Hello. Anyone know how to change the shortcut keys?
[10:26] <Mark76> I thought it might be amusingly ironic to use my Windows Start key to bring up the XFCE menu
[10:39] <Mark76> thesheep?
[10:40] <Mark76> Radomir
[10:41] <totalwormface> Mark76: you can edit your keybindings in keyboard settings
[10:41] <Mark76> I looked at that but there was no editing option
[10:42] <totalwormface> you mustt make a new 'theme'
[10:42] <Mark76> Right
[10:42] <totalwormface> there ids a 'new' button under 'default'
[10:42] <totalwormface> with the new one you can edit all you like :]
[10:42] <Mark76> Aff?
[10:42] <Mark76> Add?
[10:42] <totalwormface> oh add, yes sorry hehe
[10:43] <Mark76> Got it
[10:43] <Mark76> How do I change the key or key combination a particular command uses?
[10:44] <hollunder> hi there, the 'save session' option messed something up here, there is xchat and psi starting but nothing else, no panels, no nothing, and I don't know how I can get a default session.
[10:45] <Mark76> At the moment the xfce3-popup-menu is set to ctrl+Escape
[10:45] <Mark76> Try alt+F... Never mind
[10:46] <totalwormface> Mark76: remove it, andh amke a new one :]
[10:46] <Mark76> Ah yes
[10:46] <Mark76> Good idea
[10:46] <totalwormface> :P
[10:47] <hollunder> any idea where the saved sessions are saved?
[10:48] <Mark76> lYou're back
[10:49] <Mark76> I wish I did
[10:50] <Mark76> Drat.  The Windows key doesn't work :(
[10:53] <Mark76> How disappointing
[10:53] <totalwormface> aww
[10:54] <Mark76> It would have made a handy menu popup key
[10:54] <totalwormface> is it already in use by something else?
[10:55] <Mark76> No, but I think I know what's happening
[10:55] <Mark76> The Default setting is overriding my new one
[11:01] <Mark76> So I need to set my new choices as the default
[11:02] <Mark76> Hey, AlanBShepherd70. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:8772553.jpg Nice togs
[11:17] <Mark76> Morning
[11:20] <Mark76> It's a rotten looking day here
[11:23] <totalwormface> there comes the sunshine :]
[11:27] <Mark76> Have you worked out how I can override the keyboard shortcuts defaults yet/
[11:27] <Mark76> ?
[11:33] <totalwormface> no
[11:33] <totalwormface> :]
[11:33] <Mark76> :(
[11:33] <totalwormface> i think i'm going to take a shower
[11:33] <Mark76> Okay
[11:33] <totalwormface> though i hate it
[11:33] <Mark76> Heh
[12:50] <znh> Hello
[12:51] <znh> I've just downloaded the Xubuntu Gutsy CDROM and booted my PC with it, but whenever I to go to "Start or install Xubuntu" it does nothing
[12:51] <znh> I downloaded it using BitTorrent, so it should be verified for errors
[12:51] <TheSheep> !md5 | znh
[12:51] <ubotu> znh: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[12:52] <znh> BitTorrent verifies it...
[12:52] <znh> but fine i'll md5sum it
[12:53] <TheSheep> znh: it could also be a bad burn
[12:53] <znh> true
[12:57] <znh> Question. How would Xubuntu perform on a 600mhz/256 MB RAM computer? All I do is browse and do school stuff on it
[13:05] <TheSheep> znh: as long as you run one application at a time, it should do fine
[13:05] <TheSheep> znh: unless 'school stuff' means a lot of openoffice or 3d editing software
[13:05] <znh> allot of OpenOffice
[13:06] <znh> Oofice worked perfectly though under other operating systems
[13:06] <znh> so I guess that should be ok
[13:07] <TheSheep> yah, just don't install openoffice.org-gcj
[13:10] <znh> how so?
[13:11] <znh> btw, it was indeed a bad burn
[13:11] <TheSheep> some parts of openoffice use Java. gcj is a free implementation of java, but it's kind of slow
[13:13] <znh> Ah
[14:43] <tonlip> Someone who has any idea why firefox hungs up for a few mins when I am getting transfered to a website?
[14:44] <neozen> hung... as in frozen?
[14:44] <neozen> temporarily or permanently as in a crash
[14:45] <neozen> also, I have a question as well....
[14:46] <tonlip> frozen , only for a few minutes.
[14:46] <tonlip> But it only happens some websites.
[14:46] <tonlip> I should also say that i recently updated my system to  Gusty
[14:46] <tonlip> Linux bezman 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 21:45:15 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:46] <neozen> currently, xfce4-panel is eating nearly 100% of my cpu
[14:46] <neozen> any ideas why?
[14:47] <neozen> ah... as did I.... I'm now running on gutsy as well...
[14:48] <TheSheep> !bugs
[14:48] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[14:49] <neozen> tonlip: any of those sites incorporate flash?
[14:50] <tonlip> probably
[14:58] <nikolam> I need an advice
[14:58] <nikolam> I need to run open office on gutsy
[14:58] <nikolam> But it does not work with fglrx driver
[14:58] <nikolam> Should I install a driver from ATI site?
[14:59] <nikolam> (I deared it is not supported)
[14:59] <nikolam> heard
[15:00] <nikolam> Can I go back to supported fglrx from repo later when bug qith office/fglrx is fixed?
[16:44] <kleedrac> How well will Xubuntu run on a Pentium III 633Mhz with 128MB SDRam?
[16:45] <evil_tech> it will run albeit slowly
[16:45] <evil_tech> about as slow as xp on a similar system with 256
[16:45] <evil_tech> if possible i would try to bump it up to 192
[16:45] <kleedrac> Any suggestions on a distro that has good package management but will run on those specs?
[16:46] <evil_tech> well xubuntu can. specially if you get rid of unneccesary start up things
[16:46] <evil_tech> if you dont mind waiting you can get fluxbuntu soon
[16:47] <kleedrac> Here's the deal, I'm a long time linux user who's working as the tech at a small PC shop in small town Saskatchewan ... we got in like 20 of the afformentioned machines and they came half with win98 licenses and half with nothing at all :P ... I was thinking I could sell them with a linux distro but my trial run with DSL had several complaints from people who couldn't install software.
[16:47] <evil_tech> uses fluxbox as the window manager and is designed to be light weight
[16:47] <evil_tech> if you use dsl you have to enable apt manually
[16:47] <kleedrac> fluxbuntu eh?  I've always been a gnome man myself but that sounds promising ;)
[16:47] <evil_tech> i know i am way exciting
[16:48] <kleedrac> I had apt enabled ... just couldn't seem to get synaptic running ;)
[16:49] <evil_tech> you could technically your own fluxbox installation on ubuntu
[16:49] <kleedrac> That's true ... though I'm assuming you're doing some of the integration work huh?
[16:49] <evil_tech> use the alternate install install a command line system then install fluxbox
[16:49] <evil_tech> yeah
[16:49] <evil_tech> but the base system is there
[16:49] <evil_tech> you'll at least have synaptic
[16:49] <evil_tech> or adept if you like that better
[16:50] <kleedrac> Hmmm ... all right ... how close is fluxbuntu to being done?
[16:50] <TheSheep> kleedrac: maybe you should ask on #fluxbuntu ?
[16:50] <evil_tech> dunno the web sites up and the ISO is in process of being validated by canonical
[16:50] <kleedrac> Oh sorry
[16:51] <TheSheep> kleedrac: no, it's just that they will probably know better :)
[16:51] <kleedrac> Thanks for pointing me in the right direction :D
[17:11] <Adriaan_> There seems to be a problem with the download page...
[17:11] <evil_tech> ?
[17:11] <evil_tech> what download page?
[17:12] <Adriaan_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/gutsy/release/
[17:12] <Adriaan_> try the xubuntu alternate install for standard PC's torrent
[17:13] <evil_tech> try this one http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/xubuntu/7.10/release/
[17:13] <evil_tech> i like the alternate install. has the oem install :)
[17:14] <Adriaan_> I don't need the OEM, my computer is just a bit weak when it comes to the Live CD :-)
[17:15] <Adriaan_> 4% now ^^ thanks
[17:18] <evil_tech> i'm going to run out of school money before i can get all the certificates i want :(
[17:18] <evil_tech> oops wrong chat window
[17:19] <evil_tech> ignore that...
[17:19] <zoredache> get a job then, :p
[17:19] <Adriaan_> I haven't read anything
[17:19] <evil_tech> i have a job
[17:19] <evil_tech> im just trying to stretch my GI bill benefits as far as possible
[17:20] <zoredache> ah
[17:22] <evil_tech> my goal is to get my A+, network+, CCNA, CCNP, MCSE, Linux+ and AA's in Tech, Network and Application support
[17:22] <Adriaan_> My goal is a degree in Politics&Social Science
[17:23] <Adriaan_> or Communication
[17:24] <evil_tech> communication is big these days. makes sense to cant get too much accomplished without effective communications
[17:26] <Adriaan_> But my real life goal is to travel around the world with little to no money at all, and by foot
[17:26] <Adriaan_> (and boat to cross over the oceans, of course)
[17:27] <evil_tech> that would be fun. i did a little of that while i was in europe
[17:28] <Adriaan_> what countries did you visit? West-Europe or East/South?
[17:30] <evil_tech> west europe. went from bavaria germany looped through italy, the southern france, through to barcelona then looped back up through northern france via paris went to berlin then back down to bavaria cause my vacation time was up
[17:32] <Adriaan_> :) My sister is going on a euro-trip by foot now, she started off in belgium ( where we live) and she's going to Poland through Germany, along the Czech border
[17:32] <evil_tech> nice
[18:16] <evil_tech> how do you get compiz to start as the window manager at boot?
[18:16] <baty> hi
[18:17] <baty> im installing xubuntu alternate in a pII 333mhz 192 dimm 6gb cd rom 4x
[18:17] <evil_tech> ok
[18:17] <baty> will take a long time with that low speed cd room?
[18:17] <evil_tech> yes
[18:17] <baty> i just have a xubuntu logo on the screen
[18:17] <baty> is the first time i install it
[18:18] <evil_tech> you are using the alternate install
[18:18] <evil_tech> ?
[18:18] <baty> yap
[18:18] <evil_tech> you already installed or are trying to install
[18:18] <baty> should work ok with that cpu?
[18:18] <baty> trying to
[18:18] <minimec> Hi folks. Is there a way to change the icon of a folder in Thunar? I would like to give a custom Icon to some of my folders.
[18:18] <evil_tech> will work fine with that cpu
[18:19] <baty> now its reading the cd and the logo of xubuntu is on the screen
[18:19] <baty> i thought its loading the installer
[18:19] <evil_tech> there should just be a text logo and text options
[18:19] <baty> emm
[18:19] <baty> wait a min
[18:19] <baty> maybe i burnt the wrong one!
[18:19] <evil_tech> yeah i think so
[18:20] <evil_tech> the alternate installer has no graphical interface
[18:20] <evil_tech> should just be text
[18:20] <baty> ups
[18:20] <baty> was the last cd
[18:20] <evil_tech> :)
[18:20] <evil_tech> :)
[18:20] <baty> ill try to install it in grafic mode
[18:21] <baty> if not ill have to go to buy some cds
[18:21] <evil_tech> it will be slow and seem unresponsive at times so be patient
[18:21] <evil_tech> or you could just buy some more cds and burn the alternate
[18:21] <baty> its the text!
[18:21] <baty> it appeared!
[18:22] <evil_tech> so it is just slow
[18:22] <baty> install in text mode
[18:22] <baty> REALLY slow
[18:22] <baty> quad speed  creative cd rom sux
[18:24] <evil_tech> does it have usb?
[18:25] <baty> yes
[18:25] <baty> but how do i set for boot in usb?
[18:26] <evil_tech> i dont think it would be all that faster cause it is probably usb 1
[18:26] <baty> how about net install?
[18:26] <baty> how do i set the bios for net boot?
[18:28] <evil_tech> you'll have to look in the forums. there is a how to somewhere.
[18:28] <baty> error reading cd
[18:28] <baty> i think the solution is to put the other cd rom drive in that pc
[18:29] <baty> ill do that
[18:29] <baty> brb
[18:31] <evil_tech> anyone know how to get compiz to be the default WM
[18:31] <evil_tech> right now i have to manually start it at boot
[18:43] <TheSheep> evil_tech: create a new file ins /usr/share/xsessions
[18:44] <Adriaan_> Hello again
[18:45] <hyper___ch> huhu TheSheep
[18:46] <evil_tech> hello
[18:46] <evil_tech> what should the file be?
[18:46] <Adriaan_> CD check failed
[18:46] <Adriaan_> :(
[18:46] <evil_tech> bad burn?
[18:47] <TheSheep> evil_tech: look at the other ones in there
[18:47] <TheSheep> hi hyper___ch
[18:47] <evil_tech> only file in there is xfce4.desktop
[18:48] <Adriaan_> I don't know - it's weird... I had Ubuntu 7.04 installed, than I tried 7.10, the check failed... so I now did Xubuntu 7.10 Check, failed too
[18:48] <evil_tech> which is an empty file
[18:48] <evil_tech> maybe a bad cd drive? try a different
[18:49] <TheSheep> Adriaan_: burn the cds at th slowest speed possible
[18:49] <TheSheep> Adriaan_: some older cd drives can't read cdr's burned at high speeds
[18:49] <TheSheep> Adriaan_: and verufy the iso before burning
[18:50] <TheSheep> Adriaan_: it could be a bad download
[18:50] <Adriaan_> I checked the iso before downlading with MD5Sum
[18:51] <Adriaan_> I don't think I lowered the burn speed when I installed the Feistyn vut it's worth a try :) thanks The
[18:51] <Adriaan_> Sheep
[18:52] <grazie> Adriaan_: you mean checked iso after download?
[18:52] <Adriaan_> whoops yes
[18:52] <Adriaan_> confused "after download" with "before burning"
[18:53] <grazie> Adriaan_: as TheSheep said burning slowly for older machines is v.important
[18:54] <hyper___ch> and what TheSheep says is normally right ;)
[18:54]  * grazie normally?!
[18:55] <hyper___ch> I'm pretty sure TheSheep did also err at an occasion ;)
[18:56] <evil_tech> so should i put the command to start compiz in this xsession files?
[18:59] <evil_tech> opps i cat-ted the wrong thing
[19:00] <evil_tech>  ok xfce4.desktop is not empty
[19:06] <Adriaan_> Ok I chose 4x instead of 8x now
[19:08] <evil_tech> !compiz
[19:08] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[19:10] <Pskol> !openoffice
[19:10] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[19:11] <Adriaan_> Ithis is the first xubuntu I'm using, is Xfce similar to Gnome?
[19:12] <evil_tech> lightweight version some people say
[19:12] <evil_tech> looks similar and uses GTK (i think)
[19:15] <Adriaan_> But I still find it weird that Ubuntu 7.04 burned/checked/installed with no problems at all, while my PC seems to hate  7.10 :)
[19:15] <evil_tech> just a bad burn hopefully
[19:16] <Adriaan_> 5 times with 3 isos
[19:16] <evil_tech> hmm
[19:16] <evil_tech> maybe not then
[19:16] <Adriaan_> or maybe I selected low speed but forgot
[19:16] <Adriaan_> 4xburn just finished...brb
[19:17] <evil_tech> ok
[19:17] <hyper___ch> TheSheep: have you tried the FS encryption yet on gutsy?
[19:17] <TheSheep> hyper___ch: no, I think I won't bother
[19:17] <TheSheep> hyper___ch: I don't have anything worth encrypting anyways
[19:18] <hyper___ch> TheSheep: it works good... but I wonder how to include more devices later on without rupturing the upslash screen
[19:19] <winkerbean> Anybody know how to resolve random system freezes in Feisty?
[19:20] <hyper_ch> winkerbean: maybe upgrading to gutsy
[19:21] <zoredache> system freezes are rarely random, unless you have failing hardware
[19:21] <winkerbean> hyper_ch: Perhaps, but gutsy hasn't been out long enough to see if the random feisty freezes reported on the forum have been resolved.
[19:21] <winkerbean> zoredache: It's a brand new pc.
[19:22] <zoredache> and?  I purchased a new computer and it had bad ram in it...
[19:22] <baty> i need help
[19:22] <baty> im installing xubuntu in alternate mode
[19:22] <evil_tech> dont we all
[19:22] <baty> it asks me the way of partition
[19:22] <winkerbean> zoredache: is there a way to tell if the freezes are from failing hardware?
[19:23] <zoredache> run memtest86 on it for a couple hours
[19:23] <baty> use all the disco? use all the disc and configure lvm or use all the disk and configure cifred lvm?
[19:23] <zoredache> that should rule out your memory/cpu
[19:23] <zoredache> when your system boots press the escape key, and select memtest off the list
[19:24] <evil_tech> and a cpu burn in
[19:24] <Adriaan_> ok, another fail
[19:24] <evil_tech> are you dual booting baty?
[19:25] <baty> nop just booting from a cd
[19:25] <baty> just 1 hdd conected
[19:25] <baty> after install ill setup another one
[19:25] <baty> for files
[19:25] <baty> wich option should i choose?
[19:26] <evil_tech> no are you running two operating systems on the one machine or is there any data on the hard drive you want to save
[19:26] <baty> not just format
[19:27] <baty> just formatted
[19:27] <evil_tech> then use the entire disc
[19:27] <baty> with or without lvm?
[19:28] <baty> without
[19:28] <baty> :D
[19:28] <evil_tech> without
[19:28] <baty> i just understood what is lvm
[19:29] <evil_tech> logical volume mangaer
[19:29] <baty> yap
[19:29] <ActySofts> how do I change the defualt sound card?
[19:29] <ActySofts> *default
[19:32] <evil_tech> mixer settings? there is a dropdown device selector
[19:32] <evil_tech> though i suppose that would be temporary
[19:34] <Night> Just installed 7.10 changed my resolution to 1280*1024. And everything looked fine. But when i restarted the computer and loged in and now the text in the menu and programs has grown in size and everything looks bad. And the only thing i did was to restart the computer. How can i get the text back to the smaller good looking font?
[19:38] <Adriaan_> :) alright, I'm now trying the 1x burn
[19:38] <Adriaan_> last hope *..*
[19:38] <ActySofts> mixer settings do nothing
[19:39] <ActySofts> when I press delete with nothing selected I hear a beep in my motherboard's speaker, instead from the sound card
[19:39] <ActySofts> this because the integrated sound card was default and I disabled it from the bios
[19:40] <evil_tech> if there is another sound device on the machine and the driver was loaded should be in the device selection drop down.
[19:40] <evil_tech> i forget how to see if the device has a driver loaded
[19:41] <evil_tech> you could do lspci to at least see if the system sees that a device is ther
[19:41] <ActySofts> it isn't loaded, since it's disabled
[19:42] <evil_tech> no not the onboard the other device you are trying to get sound out of
[19:42] <ActySofts> but my second sound card that I have on this pc almost since I bought it is enabled and is default in the mixer, however, the kernel doesn't care and sends the beeps to the motherboard directly
[19:42] <evil_tech> oh i see
[19:43] <ActySofts> I'm listening to music right now using xmms and it works fine, but if I press delete (for example) with nothing selected I hear a beep coming from the mb speaker
[19:43] <evil_tech> i had this same problem and cant remember what the file was i had to modify
[19:44] <Adriaan_> everyone should save their problem/solutions actually
[19:44] <evil_tech> i probably do but it would be at home
[19:44] <evil_tech> and i'm at work
[19:45] <Adriaan_> iSee
[19:46] <evil_tech> i wanna say i had to add the device to alsa.conf or something and comment out the onboard and add the other
[19:48] <evil_tech> nope thats not it
[19:52] <ActySofts> alright, I'll try later in #ubuntu
[19:52] <ActySofts> thanks anyway
[19:52] <Adriaan_> exhange email adress and send it when you are home
[19:52] <Adriaan_> thougt came too late
[19:53] <Night> Am i the only one with the font size problem?
[19:53] <Adriaan_> In Xubuntu? Or in IRC?
[19:53] <Night> xubuntu
[19:53] <evil_tech> !arts
[19:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about arts - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:56] <baty> im having a problem, im stalling xubuntu and its stuck on downloading and installing linux-generic
[19:56] <baty> do i need to have internet to install it?
[19:56] <baty> because of "downloading"
[19:58] <grazie> evil_tech: ...and if the machine passes the memory test after several hours what other hardware faults would you suspect?
[19:58] <baty> its been stuck for 15 minutes
[19:58] <baty> is that normal?
[19:59] <Adriaan_> Burned 1x speed: ....fail again :O
[19:59] <evil_tech> i'd say bad .iso but you checked the MD5 sum so... have you tried installing 7.04 then upgrading
[20:00] <evil_tech> ?
[20:00] <zoredache> I don't suppose anyone knows if debbootstrap exists and works on the alternate cd?
[20:00] <evil_tech> baty on that slow of a machine it will look like it isnt doing anything but it is
[20:00] <evil_tech> just be patient
[20:01] <evil_tech> now if it gets to a point where you cant hit caps or num lock and the lights on the keyboard dont turn on then it locked up and you need to reboot
[20:01] <baty> its quite fast atm
[20:02] <baty> i changed the cd drive for a dvd rw
[20:02] <baty> that was the problem
[20:02] <baty> maybe in some time ill have it ready :D
[20:02] <baty> is there any howto about reading files from a windows pc with ubuntu?
[20:03] <baty> i mean my mp3s are in my pc with win xp
[20:03] <evil_tech> NTFS or FAT?
[20:03] <baty> mmm let me check
[20:03] <baty> ntfs
[20:04] <baty> is there anyway?
[20:05] <evil_tech> there is a way
[20:05] <evil_tech> you can read but not write (safely anyways) to NTFS drives
[20:05] <evil_tech> !NTFS
[20:05] <ubotu> ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions .  For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[20:05] <evil_tech> there is the link^
[20:05] <baty> thks
[20:05] <slow-motion> hallo
[20:06] <evil_tech> hola
[20:06] <baty> but the problem is
[20:06] <baty> how do i mount a partition that its in other pc?
[20:06] <evil_tech> SAMBA
[20:07] <baty> yap but i used samba
[20:07] <baty> to see linux files from windows p
[20:07] <baty> pc
[20:07] <baty> but how can i do it the otherway
[20:08] <baty> i need to read from a ubuntu pc a ntfs file that is in the other pc running xp
[20:09] <evil_tech> youll have to use samba. think there is a how to somewhere on mounting ntfs partitions over the network
[20:09] <baty> ok
[20:10] <zoredache> if the folder is shared by windows, then windows filesystem is irrelavent
[20:11] <evil_tech> why?
[20:12] <zoredache> why, what?
[20:13] <evil_tech> is filesystem on the windows machine irrelevant when browsing the files on it from a linux machine
[20:14] <zoredache> because when you are working through a network protocl you don't see or care about what is being served
[20:14] <baty> its working
[20:14] <evil_tech> ah i see. makes sense
[20:14] <baty> dont ask me how
[20:15] <baty> i can see both disks on the other computer
[20:17] <evil_tech> hmm so how do i browse the network. i havent attempted trying to do it cause it seemed rather daunting
[20:18] <zoredache> there are a few ways to do it... One is to install kde/gnome...  There is a method that is documented in the forums using fuse
[20:19] <zoredache> and there is my way which uses autofs, and executable mount map
[20:19] <zoredache> of course your can't really browse the network, but you can connect to all resources...
[20:19] <evil_tech> so there is no network browser in xfce like there is for KDE/GNOME
[20:20] <zoredache> not that I am aware of, no
[20:20] <evil_tech> hm
[20:21] <baty> ok allright now i can see the files but i dont have internet!!
[20:21] <evil_tech> lol
[20:22] <evil_tech> bring the interface down and then up
[20:22] <nofeardjb> how do i lock my machine?
[20:22] <hyper_ch> nofeardjb: ctrl-alt-del
[20:23] <nofeardjb> doesn't that do a restart?
[20:23] <hyper_ch> nofeardjb: this is not windows
[20:23] <nofeardjb> ...
[20:23] <nofeardjb> i'm going to ignore you said that
[20:23] <evil_tech> nope that will lock the machine
[20:23] <nofeardjb> in ubuntu i thought it restarted the machine
[20:23] <evil_tech> alt + F4 will bring up the shutdown options
[20:23] <evil_tech> thats ubuntu
[20:24] <evil_tech> this is xubuntu things are a little different
[20:24] <nofeardjb> maybe i'm confusing my commands from TTY interface :-/
[20:24] <evil_tech> yeah CTRL + ALT + DEL in a terminal will reboot the machine
[20:24] <evil_tech> but in XFCE it locks the desktop
[20:24] <nofeardjb> CTRL+ALT+DEL didn't do anything, i recently wiped my homes directory, was there anything in there that would affect my shortcuts?
[20:25] <hyper_ch> nofeardjb: the config file for shortcuts ;)
[20:25] <nofeardjb> sweet lol
[20:25] <zoredache> you could simple customize a panel, and add an 'action button'  choose 'lock screen'
[20:25] <nofeardjb> i didn't want it anyways *sarcasm*
[20:25] <zoredache> then simply click the button to lock
[20:25] <nofeardjb> what's the file name for that config?
[20:26] <hyper_ch> dunno
[20:26] <evil_tech> hmm apparently having compiz running does away with ctrl alt del for locking the screen
[20:26] <evil_tech> must do something else
[20:29] <benpicco> Hi, I tried to update a machine from feisty to gutsy, i used the alternative cd because of the weak connection
[20:29] <benpicco> well, I first answered the question for the online packets with yes, but then i noticed that it would try to load everything from the net
[20:30] <benpicco> when i answer the question with no now, it tries to get the online repos anyway
[20:30] <hyper_ch> benpicco: you have to activate the cd as repos again
[20:31] <benpicco> so i just have to remove everything but them from the sources.list for the time i upgrade?
[20:31] <hyper_ch> adding the cd should be just fine
[20:32] <benpicco> but it still tries to acces the web if the cd is written in there
[20:32] <hyper_ch> did you also update first?
[20:33] <benpicco> i installed feisty
[20:33] <nofeardjb> so i checked my shortcuts and the lock command just isnt' working lol
[20:34] <nofeardjb> oh snap
[20:34] <nofeardjb> screensaver is the problem
[20:34] <nofeardjb> either i don't have one or its not set up
[20:34] <hyper_ch> did you do sudo apt-get update first ben?
[20:35] <darrend> is there a good reason networkmanager can't work without logging into gdm?
[20:35] <allBecauseTheLad> hi all
[20:36] <allBecauseTheLad> anyone have a dual monitor set up in xubuntu, on a radiaon ati 9800 card ?
[20:37] <benpicco> hyper_ch: arrg, ok, thx, i´ll try i think i forgott it
[20:37] <ActySofts> any ideas why aumix -v+10 doesn't work when I press the volume button on my keyboard nor from terminal, yet it worked after I installed gutsy
[20:37] <ActySofts> ?
[20:38] <baty> hey how long does the nucleum takes to be installed
[20:38] <baty> its been half an hour!
[20:39] <nofeardjb> can someone help me out with this error? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42153/
[20:39] <nofeardjb> i'm trying to get xflock4 to work when i press the shortcut to lock my machine
[20:47] <evil_tech> urg
[20:47] <evil_tech> i cant get a desktop cube
[20:47] <evil_tech> and i just moved firefox to an apparently non existent workspace
[20:51] <baty> which is the best distro for a pII?
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> Does compiz-fusion come preinstalled in the gusty version of Xubuntu?
[20:53] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: no, xubuntu doesn't come with compiz
[20:53] <evil_tech> nope i had to install it
[20:53] <TheSheep> evil_tech: you will get much better answers on the compiz channel
[20:54] <Odd-rationale> So it is possible to have desktop cube in xubuntu, but you have to install it yourself. Is that correct?
[20:54] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: yes
[20:54] <evil_tech> yeah
[20:54] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: and it might require some additional setup
[20:54] <evil_tech> i have compiz working now
[20:54] <evil_tech> just no cube
[20:54] <evil_tech> and i have to start it manually after login
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> But is I want a really slim system, I should just forget about compiz, I guess.
[20:57] <Odd-rationale> Thanks, guys!
[21:02] <nofeardjb> </3 xflock4
[21:40] <andrew4321> I'm new to Xubuntu. How can you start and stop a modem connection (via a GUI)?
[21:42] <zoredache> Andy, you could also check in #ubuntu
[21:43] <andrew4321> OK. I thought the perhaps xubuntu was missing a GUI that Ubuntu has.
[21:44] <andrew4321> I've been looking around but don't really see a way to dial. I can use wvdial to get the connection going but I'm setting this up for someone who knows nothing about linux.
[21:44] <zoredache>  /WINDOW IMMORTAL ON
[21:44] <zoredache> ack
[21:59] <alnokta> if i have a service running on tcp6, how can i make it tcp only?
[22:00] <h3sp4wn> alnokta: elaborate
[22:00] <alnokta> h3sp4wn: tcp6       0      0 *:www                   *:*                     LISTEN
[22:01] <alnokta> h3sp4wn: its unaccessible from outside
[22:01] <h3sp4wn> alnokta: right so what do you want to do
[22:02] <TheSheep> alnokta: tell the service to bind to an IPv4 IP, not IPv4 one?
[22:02] <alnokta> h3sp4wn: i want to make it use tcp instead of tcp6
[22:02] <TheSheep> not IPv6 one
[22:02] <alnokta> how?
[22:02] <alnokta> its apache i'm talking about
[22:02] <TheSheep> alnokta: in the config
[22:02] <h3sp4wn> 1.3 or 2 ?
[22:02] <alnokta> 2.2
[22:03] <h3sp4wn> alnokta: I was expecting something like - I am trying to run foo its binding to both an ipv6 and and ipv4 address (its different depending on the app)
[22:05] <alnokta> so ? ;)
[22:06] <h3sp4wn> alnokta: Cannot be bothered wasting time trying to get blood out of a stone
[22:09] <zoredache> why not simply disable ipv6?
[22:09] <zoredache> echo "blacklist ipv6" > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ipv6
[22:10] <zoredache> reboot after running that as root
[22:10] <h3sp4wn> Why not use ipv6 its pretty good (being messing with mobile ipv6 recently)
[22:10] <h3sp4wn> my laptop can have the same address wherever it happens to be connected
[22:11] <zoredache> there are applications that get confused...
[22:14] <alnokta> i don't mind if it uses it, its just making it unaccessible .. though ssh tcp6 works well
[22:22] <h3sp4wn> alnokta: what is in ports.conf
[22:24] <slow-motion> n8
[22:27] <alnokta> h3sp4wn: just Listen 80 and 443 for ssl
[23:11] <batyy> i having some serious problems
[23:12] <batyy> im running xubuntu live desktop on a pII 196 dimm with a diamond stealth 2500 video pci
[23:12] <batyy> and i cant see all the desktop, its set on a high resolution and mi gpu doesnt support it
[23:12] <batyy> how can i change it?
[23:13] <batyy> help me plz
[23:15] <TheSheep> batyy: alt+ctrl+gray plus
[23:16] <batyy> gray plus???
[23:16] <TheSheep> batyy: the one on your numeric keypad
[23:16] <batyy> k
[23:16] <TheSheep> it should change to the next available resolution
[23:17] <batyy> not working
[23:17] <TheSheep> try it several times
[23:17] <batyy> lets say ctrl alt - ?
[23:17] <TheSheep> should work too
[23:18] <batyy> not working
[23:19] <TheSheep> batyy: you can switch to text mode with alt+ctrl+f1
[23:19] <TheSheep> then run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to change the xserver settings
[23:19] <TheSheep> then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart  to make the new settings work
[23:20] <batyy> rourse temporarily unavailable
[23:20] <batyy> maybe because im on live mode
[23:22] <batyy> im going to try alternate install


[07:30] <apw> smb, moin, can you remember the bot-stop- tag name
[07:30] <apw> ppisati, moin
[07:30] <smb> apw, The thing about robots.thingy
[07:36] <ppisati> moin moin
[08:08] <apw> tseliot, i see that 3.10-rc5 kernel finally built, how did the dkms hacking go
[08:09] <tseliot> apw: I have started working on nvidia. It's going to be a rather invasive patch because of some changes in the kernel
[08:09] <apw> tseliot, nasty ...
[08:10] <tseliot> apw: yes, I have to switch to proc_create_data and proc_create, among other things
[08:11] <tseliot> I bet it will be the same for fglrx and broadcom
[12:20] <ppisati> brb
[13:10] <bjf> apw, should be bot-stop-nagging
[13:10] <apw> bjf, ta
[13:32] <rtg_> apw, any objection to uploading saucy rebased on v3.9.5 today ? 3.10-rc5 still doesn't have aufs support, so I'm not sure we should be switching over just yet.
[13:33] <apw> rtg_, none, tseliot was having some trouble too, so i thin 3.9.5 is a good place to be
[13:33] <rtg_> apw, k, I'm just about done compile and smoke testing.
[13:33] <apw> rtg_, do you want me to do it, or are you already ... ok then
[13:33] <rtg_> apw, have you tested overlayfs in 3.10 yet ?
[13:33] <tseliot> apw, rtg_: yes please, I'm not done fixing the drivers yet
[13:34] <apw> rtg_, i am playing in that sandbox right now, not tested that specific combination but that is about to be a sane test
[13:34] <infinity> BenC: You want to do some install/reboot/fiddle testing of the PPC kernels in raring-proposed on some of your hardware?
[13:34] <rtg_> apw, aufs hasn't been updated since march, so we might end up dropping it completely if it is no longer maintained.
[13:35] <apw> rtg_, they will be pleased :)
[13:35]  * infinity will mourn the loss of aufs.
[13:35] <infinity> Though, if the overlayfs/inotify argument ever amounts to anything, I might stop caring.
[13:37] <ogra_> so on the flipped container touch images i get a reboot loop on grouper (all other subarches seem to work and i can boot past the failure point using the grouper desktop kernel)  ...
[13:37] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5754882/
[13:39] <ogra_> i assume it is the "Warning: unable to open an initial console" that makes init die ... any obvious idea how i could get that console (without having to enable fbcon which will break the android container)
[13:40] <ogra_> (teh kernel panic happens right after run-init switched us to upstart)
[13:47] <rtg_> ogra_, I'm not seeing an FBCON option for grouper. CONFIG_FB=y and CONFIG_FB_TEGRA=y are set.
[13:47] <ogra_> well, it is there since we use it on the desktop kernel ...
[13:48] <ogra_> might depend on something else thats off as well
[13:48] <ogra_> but fbcon isnt an option anyway
[13:48] <ogra_> it would break the android container
[13:48] <rtg_> ogra_, does saucy grouper still work on the desktop image ?
[13:48] <ogra_> i tried randomly setting CONFIG_VT and stuff, but didnt get much further
[13:49] <ogra_> well, the kernel is the same
[13:49] <ogra_> or at least largely ...
[13:49] <ogra_> just different configs
[13:49] <rtg_> ogra_, configs can make a difference
[13:50] <ogra_> so for testing i can replace zImage in the bootimg we use for touch ... indeed it fails miserably later in the boot but it gets past the panic point
[13:50] <ogra_> err, yes, i know, thats why i'm here :)
[13:50] <ogra_> obviously the -nexus7 kernel has something enabled to make it boot ... which the -grouper one is missing ...
[13:51] <ogra_> my way to debug that is to enable options one by one and to do a test boot after a fresh build ... but thats very time consuming so i was hoping you guys have a better idea or see something thats obviously missing or so
[13:52] <rtg_> ogasawara, lemme take a stab at diffing the configs
[13:52] <ogra_> :)
[14:11] <rtg_> ogra_, there are quite a few differences. http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~rtg/config.diff
[14:11] <rtg_> CONFIG_HW_CONSOLE looks suspicious
[14:11] <ogra_> oh, yeah
[14:47] <rtg_> ogra_, just pushed a patch to ubuntu-saucy grouper (CONFIG_VT=y). Can you give that a whirl ?
[14:47] <ogra_> sure
[14:48] <ogra_> i have a call soon, so only afterwards
[14:48] <rtg_> I'll flash my N7 with raring in the meantime to make sure it still works
[14:48] <ogra_> but i think i tried with CONFIG_VT=y alone already
[14:49] <ogra_> CONFIG_HW_CONSOLE sounds more plausible
[14:49] <rtg_> ogra_, the whole patch has several more console options enabled
[14:49] <ogra_> ah, k
[14:57] <tseliot> apw: does 3.9.5 have this commit? https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=80e928f7ebb958f4d79d4099d1c5c0a015a23b93
[14:58] <apw> tseliot, not obviously
[14:58] <tseliot> apw: ok, just checking
[14:59] <apw> tseliot, i cannot see it by sha reference or title, so very likely not
[14:59] <apw> tseliot, something you need
[15:00] <tseliot> apw: no, something that breaks the driver
[15:05] <Roberth1990> hello how do I get BFS and BFQ?
[15:08] <apw> Roberth1990, i suspect we need a little more context to have any hope of helping you.
[15:09] <Roberth1990> they are a part of the ck patchset for the kernel
[15:09] <Roberth1990> which is there again a part og zen and pf patchsets
[15:10] <apw> if it is part of ck, then its not something we have any trees for, you'd have to apply it yourself
[15:11] <jsalisbury> **
[15:11] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[15:11] <jsalisbury> **
[15:59] <apw> hallyn, yo ... bug #1098378 ... test kernels in the bug, if you could check them out and report back
[15:59] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1098378 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "chroot+overlayfs seems to cause umount mis-behavior" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1098378
[16:00] <apw> hallyn, and can you confirm this was new in raring, i think from the fix I expect it was
[16:16] <smb> Daviey, That is probably outside the scope of the meeting but if you want dkms packages checked imo its up to you to provide a list of interest. And I cannot recall "all" being agreed anywhere ever.
[16:25] <Daviey> smb: not agreed, but that is what i requested
[16:25] <Daviey> it seems easy enough to test all, as it does a handful.
[16:25] <hallyn> apw: will look, thanks
[16:25] <Daviey> And for a test that seems really cheap to run, it seems like a good idea to the ubuntu ecosystem to do
[16:27] <smb> Daviey, Things are always easy when one has not to do it. :-P But anyway, I would say this is something the qa team will be responsible for anyway. So if they do, I won't complain.
[16:30] <Daviey> smb: it sounded like it was already in progress, from jibel.
[16:30] <smb> Daviey, It did, and plars just write that email. So we will see
[16:31] <Daviey> smb: Have you spotted complexity to it that i have blissfully sailed over?
[16:33] <ogasawara> Daviey: sorry to jump in here, but I've been chatting with jibel about automated DKMS package testing
[16:33] <Daviey> super!
[16:33] <ogasawara> Daviey: I actually have a meeting with him on thurs, he has something already prototyped for us to go through
[16:34] <smb> Daviey, To detect the build failing probably is simple enough (beside resource and time). Just the question what is done with that
[16:34] <ogasawara> Daviey: but if you can get me the list of dkms packages that your team is specifically interested in, I'll be sure they try to land on the list
[16:34] <ogasawara> Daviey: initiall, it's just getting a quick build test to ensure they still build with major version bumps of the kernel
[16:35] <ogasawara> Daviey: specific testing of the modules/packages beyond that would be something I'd consider phase 2
[16:35] <Daviey> ogasawara: Right. Just validating that the dkms packages still cleanly install sounds super.
[16:35] <ogasawara> Daviey: yep, that's my initial goal
[16:35] <Daviey> I can get a list.. but as a ubuntu developer, i'd love all to be covered :)
[16:35] <ogasawara> Daviey: indeed, and I suggested to him to to all the packages that rdepends spit out for dkms
[16:36] <Daviey> ogasawara: I will make sure I have a favoured list.
[16:36] <ogasawara> Daviey: great, thanks
[16:37] <ogasawara> Daviey: I was assuming for you guys is was something like openvs and iscsitarget
[16:37] <ogasawara> Daviey: not sure what else though
[16:37] <Daviey> someone in server raised oss4-dkms as another... not sure why i care about that.
[16:38] <Daviey> (HINT, i don't think i do)
[16:38] <Daviey> openswan module is interesting, but not demanded
[16:39] <Daviey> dahdi-dkms is a server universe package
[16:39] <Daviey> openvswitch-datapath-dkms is the priority
[16:40] <Daviey> One of the real challenges we face is making these packages work on current development version of ubuntu, and precise (all supported kernels) concurrently
[16:41] <smb> That oss4 may have been somehow misguided, but that sort of gets me back to the point that a list (not on irc) of interest and to what degree would help
[16:43] <infinity> ogasawara: `reverse-depends dkms` isn't a remarkably long list, I wonder if jibel could just test the lot?
[16:43] <infinity> ogasawara: Obviously, we have a priority list of what we care about fixing first, but I want to know if any of them are broken, so we can decide to fix or remove.
[16:45] <ogasawara> infinity: indeed, I was suggesting to him to just test the lot since it didn't seem incredibly large.  I've got a meeting on thurs to sync with him so I'm happy to bring up everything with him and circle back with you et al.
[16:46] <ogasawara> infinity: or I can just add you to the meeting if you wanted to sit in
[16:48] <infinity> ogasawara: You can add me, and I'll see how social I'm feeling when it rolls around. :)
[16:48] <ogasawara> infinity: ack
[16:48] <smb> infinity, and how awake...
[16:48] <infinity> And that.
[17:01] <jsalisbury_> ##
[17:01] <jsalisbury_> ## Meeting starting now
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[17:22]  * ppisati -> gym
[17:25]  * rtg_ -> lunch
[17:37] <arges> has anyone here figure out how to upload .crash data from a kernel oops into a new launchpad bug? ubuntu-bug *.crash asks if I want to submit it but gives no feedback afterwards
[18:06] <arges> ok looks like bug 994921
[18:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 994921 in apport (Ubuntu Quantal) "'ubuntu-bug /var/crash/app.crash' (and even more so, 'apport-cli -c /var/crash/app.crash') should still allow manual bug filing in stable releases" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994921
[18:23] <apw>  2291 apw        9 -11  568m 5904 4792 S 200.0  0.1  1349154h pulseaudio
[18:33] <BenC> infinity: Yeah
[18:45] <apw> bjf, http://people.canonical.com/~apw/unstable-saucy/
[18:45] <bjf> apw, ta
[18:47] <davmor2> apw: I'm not sure I want to work too close to you now I see you are unstable and saucy ;)
[18:48] <apw> davmor2, :)
[18:49] <infinity> BenC: Kay, I already marked it passed for regression-testing based on my own testing, but do let me know if it breaks for any of your platforms, so we can revert that. :P
[18:50] <BenC> infinity: it worked when I built it, so should be good. I'll let you know if otherwise.
[18:51] <infinity> BenC: Compiler bugs and bitflips happen.  There's also the possibility that I effed up the checkout.   ;)
[20:22]  * rtg_ -> EOD