[00:00] <mup> Bug #1512187 opened: ability to create bridges on MAAS nodes for use without Juju <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512187>
[00:12] <mup> Bug #1512187 changed: ability to create bridges on MAAS nodes for use without Juju <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512187>
[00:24] <mup> Bug #1512187 opened: ability to create bridges on MAAS nodes for use without Juju <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512187>
[01:50] <gringo_> hello?
[10:35] <mup> Bug #1512297 opened: Revision of cancel and save buttons while renaming a node <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512297>
[10:38] <mup> Bug #1512297 changed: Revision of cancel and save buttons while renaming a node <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512297>
[10:41] <mup> Bug #1512297 opened: Revision of cancel and save buttons while renaming a node <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512297>


 anyone here have migrated from android to ios ?
 specific to whatsapp application
 @myfenris, Cuba backup ke google drive. Dan kemudian restore balik. Ada option dalam whatsup. Tapi ini saya buat android ke android. Ios whatsup patutnya ada restore tu.
 @harisfazillah, whatsapp ios restore from icloud
 from google play store got app "move to ios"
 so far yang lain tu boleh la tp pelik juga nape call list kosong wlupun dah select
 yang pening whatsapp .. telegram manyak senang
 telegram x yah bekap
 kena ada apps kot nak bekap & restore.. sebab dia simpan local.. not sure yang bekap ke cloud tu dia bekap apa je.. :) tapi leh cuba bekap dulu ke google then migrate then restore
 whatsapp @ facebook need to do something..
 Hi,  Thanks for your message.  Unfortunately at this time, it's not possible to transfer your history across the following platforms and vice versa:  Android to iPhone   Windows to Android   iPhone to Windows  Please see this article for more information:   - Transferring the chats on my old phone to my new phone  As an alternative, if you would like to save a specific chat, you can email yourself your chat history. You must do this
[01:21] <UbuntuMY4> before switching devices.   Please note: It's not possible to re-import the emailed chat into WhatsApp or to use it for restoring your chat history.  Please visit your platform's article for more information about this feature: Android | iPhone | Windows Phone  Please also note that you may not be able to email your entire chat history due to email size restrictions. The only way to export older messages would be to delete newer messages and then email
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[00:33] <xarses> so the remaining issue, is that I don't understand how to determine if the charm knew better than to bounce both nodes at the same time or not
[00:51] <xarses> so the remaining issue, is that I don't understand how to determine if the charm knew better than to bounce both nodes at the same time or not
[15:02] <magicaltrout> afternoon
[15:02] <magicaltrout> can someone explain the k8s loadbalancer to me? :)
[15:03] <magicaltrout> cause i look at the microbots example and that uses the xip.io dns service but doesn't seem to use the loadbalancer, but I'm failing to see how services are routed through it
[15:04] <magicaltrout> when i say "explain" i just mean point me to some docs that reflect what is implemented here :)
[15:12] <magicaltrout> oooh thats only apiserver distribution on ingress
[15:12] <magicaltrout> i should read better
[15:14] <tvansteenburgh> magicaltrout: i'm listening but i'm not sure what you're asking :P
[15:14] <magicaltrout> hahah
[15:14] <magicaltrout> i'm trying to rather badly it seems, figure out external routing for k8s services :)
[15:15] <magicaltrout> i thought the load balancer provided it but that seems to be api call balancing
[15:15] <tvansteenburgh> magicaltrout: have you read https://kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/services-networking/service/
[15:15] <Dwellr> I'm using iptables to forward traffic to a worker node ip (because my worker nodes are on an ip range that conjure-up selected, that isn't routable in my network)
[15:16] <tvansteenburgh> magicaltrout: the LoadBalancer can do it if your cloud supports it
[15:16] <magicaltrout> interesting
[15:16] <stokachu> Dwellr: juju config flannel and set the cidr
[15:16] <stokachu> Dwellr: we're adding support to conjure-up to allow you to configure subordinate charms
[15:17] <Dwellr> stokachu: I don't really have a cidr..
[15:17] <magicaltrout> my confusion lies for example, with the microbots setup, you get a dns endpoint that points to the ip of a worker
[15:17] <stokachu> Dwellr: maybe Cynerva has some additional best practices around that
[15:17] <Dwellr> stokachu: Im running conjure up inside virtualbox, the virtualbox vm has a bridged adapter onto my house lan, and I'm using iptables to forward from the bridged adapter to the worker node..
[15:18] <tvansteenburgh> stokachu: that's really only relevant to the cluster network
[15:18] <Dwellr> stokachu: that lets me hit say, microbot, from other pcs on my house lan (provided I pass the fake host header so ingress routes the request etc) .. but I'm very much still learning =) if there's a better/cleaner way.. I'm all ears
[15:18] <stokachu> ah ok
[15:18] <tvansteenburgh> magicaltrout: right, so you it only works if you can route to the node ip
[15:19] <stokachu> Dwellr: i think iptables is the way to go
[15:19] <magicaltrout> yeah tvansteenburgh but also, if you stuck a real DNS entry against the node ip, if you tore it down and the service ended up on a different worker
[15:20] <magicaltrout> you'd have a stale DNS entry for your users, right?
[15:20] <tvansteenburgh> that's why you don't want to point dns directly at a node ip
[15:20] <tvansteenburgh> you point at a Service ip
[15:20] <tvansteenburgh> which *can* be provided by a LoadBalancer, but it can also be configured manually
[15:21] <magicaltrout> haha, minds melting, i've lived in mesos land for too long
[15:21] <tvansteenburgh> Service type can take an externalIP
[15:21] <tvansteenburgh> magicaltrout: read that doc page from beginning to end - i bet you'll understand fine after that
[15:21] <magicaltrout> hehe yeah i'm running through it thanks tvansteenburgh
[15:29] <Dwellr> is there anyway for me to see what juju run-action kubernetes-worker/0 microbot replicas=x does? It's great that it's automated etc, but I want to peek at what it did =)
[15:30] <magicaltrout> https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/blob/master/cluster/juju/layers/kubernetes-worker/templates/microbot-example.yaml
[15:34] <Dwellr> thanks =) more than handy =)
[15:37] <Dwellr> and.. what's the simplest way to get my worker nodes to pull from a custom docker repo? I figure I can run docker back on my vm host, and have the workers pull from that repo, (and mebbe enable docker tls so then I can push to the vm from outside too)
[15:38]  * Dwellr trying to get toward 'kube in a box' ;p where I can spin up the vm, and develop and deploy apps to it from outside the vm
[15:56] <skay> why is the charm snap throwing this exception about one of my local python packages https://paste.ubuntu.com/25486709/
[16:22] <tvansteenburgh> Dwellr: there's a registry action on the worker nodes
[16:23] <Dwellr> whats a registry action, and how does that relate to my current understanding of a docker repository that I push my images to ?
[16:25] <tvansteenburgh> Dwellr: an action is a Juju thing - think of it as a script that you can run on a unit
[16:26] <tvansteenburgh> like, microbot is an action
[16:26] <Dwellr> okie, so what does a registry action do ?
[16:27] <tvansteenburgh> Dwellr: https://jujucharms.com/u/containers/kubernetes-worker/52
[16:27] <tvansteenburgh> search page for registry
[16:29] <magicaltrout> thanks tvansteenburgh that page was indeed very useful ;)
[16:29] <Dwellr> oooh.. thanks =)
[16:30] <cory_fu> skay: That is an issue with the classic snap and the reason we worked on moving to strictly confining the snap.  In fact, we *just* released the strictly confined snap a little while ago, so if you `snap refresh charm` and try again, it should be fixed
[16:30] <tvansteenburgh> Dwellr: if you'd rather use Helm, there's a chart for a private registry here: https://github.com/madeden/charts/tree/master/docker-registry
[16:31] <Dwellr> I'm still learning.. using conjure up as a way to spin up a slightly more complex kube deployment than minikube will, so I can play with what it means to deploy and run apps on kube etc
[16:31] <tvansteenburgh> Dwellr: cool, no prob :)
[16:32] <Dwellr> so I think the juju action for the registry will work
[16:32] <Dwellr> I'm slowly building up a vagrantfile that builds my kube in a box =)
[16:32] <skay> cory_fu: sweet! worked
[16:33] <skay> cory_fu: (actually, I unstalled it and installed it from scratch. at first it didn't find any update)
[16:33] <Dwellr> so far it installs conjure-up, uses it to install kube to localhost (interestingly using 'conjure-up kubernetes-core localhost' produces no output in vagrant until the command completes, which takes like 10mins or so)..
[16:34] <stokachu> Dwellr: is this from vagrant ssh into the machine and running conjure-up?
[16:34] <Dwellr> and then it copies the kube config, rewrites it to update the server address to the external bridged ip for the vbox vm, adds insecure-skip-tls-verify, and copies the config to the vagrant shared dir.
[16:34] <cory_fu> skay: Odd about the refresh.  Maybe it auto-refreshed before you tried it.  Either way, glad it's working!
[16:35] <stokachu> Dwellr: you may be able to get around the no output from conjure-up using `ssh -t` option
[16:35] <Dwellr> stokachu: I mean when I have config.vm.provision : shell, privileged: false, :inline => <<-EOT
[16:35] <Dwellr> conjure-up kubernetes-core localhost
[16:35] <Dwellr> EOT
[16:36] <tvansteenburgh> Dwellr: that sounds like a neat setup - you should write a blog post about it
[16:36] <stokachu> Dwellr: stil could be ssh option
[16:36] <Dwellr> that, when I run `vagrant up` and it runs the provisioning steps.. there's no output from the command until it completes
[16:36] <stokachu> Dwellr: it's inline but i think vagrant has to ssh first
[16:36] <Dwellr> Hmm.. wonder if passing -t is possible in the provision flags
[16:37] <stokachu> Dwellr: try config.ssh.pty= true
[16:37] <stokachu> in config.vm.provider
[16:37] <stokachu> http://blog.medyagh.com/2014/07/fix-vagrant-error-sudo-sorry-you-must.html
[16:37] <Dwellr> the vagrant file then goes on to setup ip forwarding for all nodeports (and 80 & 443) to the first worker ip, and 6443 to the master node ip from the bridged interface
[16:37] <Dwellr> stokachu: I'll try that in a mo =)
[16:38] <stokachu> cool
[16:39] <tvansteenburgh> please publish this awesomesauce
[16:39] <tvansteenburgh> Dwellr ^
[16:39] <Dwellr> hmm the docs for config.ssh.pty say that "When pty is enabled, it is important to note that command output will not be streamed to the UI. Instead, the output will be delievered in full to the UI once the command has completed."
[16:39] <stokachu> Dwellr: ah that's opposite what i was going for
[16:39] <Dwellr> and thats kinda what I'm already seeing with the conjure-up command ;p
[16:39] <stokachu> yea hmm
[16:40] <Dwellr> tvansteenburgh: it will be published =) .. I'm doing this as a side project to create a dev env in a box for gameontext.org
[16:40] <stokachu> Dwellr: though it's odd b/c ive used this option in jenkins ci runs
[16:40] <stokachu> to see the output as it happens
[16:40] <stokachu> i ran into the same issue until adding that
[16:41] <Dwellr> I can always try =)
[16:41] <stokachu> sure :)
[16:43] <Dwellr> was also figuring I could pipe it thru tee or sommat
[16:44] <stokachu> ah yea that may be another way
[16:50] <xarses_> Is this right? The only way to export a model to import as a bundle is via the gui? https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.2/charms-bundles
[16:51] <tvansteenburgh> xarses_: i think that's right yeah
[16:51] <xarses_> =(
[16:51] <xarses_> I don't have gui's attached to most of my controllers
[16:51] <tvansteenburgh> xarses_: just run `juju gui` and you'll have one :)
[16:52] <tvansteenburgh> you can do that to get the initial bundle and then just edit by hand from there
[16:52] <tvansteenburgh> i think that's what most ppl do
[16:52] <xarses_> ya, we don't use the gui around here
[16:52] <tvansteenburgh> neither do i
[16:55] <xarses_> wow, all the icons are missing
[16:55] <tvansteenburgh> from the gui?
[16:55] <xarses_> ya, it's showing the missing image icon
[16:56] <tvansteenburgh> i blame hurricane Irma
[16:57] <tvansteenburgh> xarses_: which charms?
[16:57] <xarses_> openstack*, percona, ceph, nagios
[16:59] <tvansteenburgh> xarses_: can you see this https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/ceph/icon.svg
[17:00] <xarses_> yes, but shouldn't it download these things and keep them with the charm?
[17:01] <xarses_> also, we don't use charms directly from the store
[17:01]  * tvansteenburgh looks around for a gui dev
[17:01] <xarses_> uh, export button doesn't work
[17:03]  * hatch waves to tvansteenburgh
[17:04] <tvansteenburgh> hatch: xarses_ is having some trouble with his gui
[17:04] <tvansteenburgh> missing icons, export button not working
[17:04] <tvansteenburgh> rotfl
[17:04] <tvansteenburgh> nice one hatch
[17:04] <hatch> lol
[17:04] <hatch> sorry wrong key
[17:04] <tvansteenburgh> hatch: xarses_ is having some trouble with his gui
[17:04] <hatch> got that
[17:04] <hatch> export
[17:04] <hatch> and icons
[17:04] <tvansteenburgh> yep
[17:05] <hatch> ok xarses can you click the ? in the top right and head for the keyboard shortcuts to find out what version of the GUI you're using
[17:05] <hatch> also, browser, and version of Juju
[17:07] <hatch> oops xarses_ ^
[17:14] <cory_fu> bdx: What do you think of the soft-launched layer-index repo vs the old micro-site?
[17:15] <bdx> cory_fu: I've been waiting on this for a while now .... super excited
[17:15] <bdx> cory_fu: it will make it easier for me to run a private registry for use in my charm ci/cd
[17:17] <cory_fu> bdx: Excellent.  I know the PR workflow adds a slight barrier to entry to getting new layers registered, but I think it's still reasonable.
[17:19] <bdx> totally, reasonable for sure. It also gives a central place users can subscribe to and more easily track the addition of new layers
[17:19] <bdx> like, I want to know when new interfaces/layers are added to the registry
[17:19] <bdx> this make it easy, you just follow the repo
[17:33] <magicaltrout> just like to say
[17:33] <magicaltrout> the new status button in juju gui
[17:33] <magicaltrout> is epic
[17:38] <xarses_> hatch how does the keyboard shortcuts page show version?
[17:39] <xarses_> juju version is 2.2.2, browser is chrome 60.0.3
[17:42] <xarses_> cli from `juju gui` implies its 2.4.2
[17:42] <xarses_> > GUI 2.4.2 for model
[18:07] <rick_h> xarses_: can you run juju upgrade-gui ? That's quite old.
[18:07] <rick_h> xarses_: it should be 2.9.2
[18:08] <rick_h> hmm, 2.4.2 is Feb release
[18:15] <xarses_> ya, thats about when the controller was originally deployed
[18:15] <xarses_> does it not upgrade with the controller?
[18:16] <xarses_> well, export works now
[18:16] <xarses_> icons are still broken
[18:27] <Dwellr> hmm.. tried doing   conjure-up kubernetes-core localhost > mylogfile.txt   and the log file stays at 0 bytes until conjure up is done too
[18:29] <xarses_> I'm guessing because they are all local charms
[18:29] <rick_h> xarses_: k, icons are pulled based on the charm urls so they might get blocked.
[18:29] <rick_h> xarses_: ok, if they're all local charms they're supposed to be pulled from the controller itself.
[18:29] <rick_h> xarses_: can you open the browser debug tool and see if you can get an error for the icon urls? I imagine they're getting a 404 or something
[18:29] <rick_h> xarses_: and file a bug on github.com/juju/juju-gui with the details ?
[18:30] <rick_h> xarses_: and no, the gui is out of sync with juju itself. There's usually a release every month or so. Since it's not effecting the actual workings of Juju but UX fixes/etc it's on the side.
[18:32] <xarses_> ahh, here is the bug, its trying to resolve the admin user and my model name for icons on api,jujucharms.com/charmstore/...
[18:33] <rick_h> xarses_: :(
[18:33] <xarses_> lemme sanitize
[18:34] <xarses_> yep, raises a similar 404 message
[18:34] <xarses_> https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/~my-local-admin-user/my-local-model-name/meta/any?include=bundle-metadata&include=bundle-machine-count&include=charm-config&include=charm-metadata&include=charm-metrics&include=common-info&include=extra-info&include=id-revision&include=manifest&include=owner&include=published&include=resources&include=revision-info&include=stats&include=supported-series&include=tags
[18:36] <rick_h> xarses_: yea, that's a bug-a-boo to fix. Apologies on that.
[18:38] <xarses_> https://gist.github.com/xarses/4b1bea1bcdf8012737dee5f4f57ee7f3 the charms in the model for reference
[18:58] <stokachu> Dwellr: boo :(
[19:09] <xarses_> Dwellr: I found that I had to capture stderr in my pipe to catch most of the information during bootstrap, pass --debug flags and pipe to tee to get a useful looking log (mind you this was just with juju bootstrap)
[19:12] <xarses_> rick_h: file a bug on LP?
[19:13] <Dwellr> I'm having partial success doing    conjure-up &  then tail -f --pid=$! ¬
[19:14] <Dwellr> I'm having partial success doing    conjure-up &  then tail -f --pid=$! ~/.cache/conjure-up/conjure-up.log
[19:14] <stokachu> Dwellr: nice
[19:14] <stokachu> Oh I wonder
[19:14] <Dwellr> gets me a log that updates as far as 'Executing script ... steps/00_deploy-done'
[19:14] <Dwellr> but then it stops while juju status is showing the master/worker etc are still init'ing
[19:15] <stokachu> Yea those logs are in the spell steps dir
[19:15] <stokachu> Like 00-deploy_done.err
[19:16] <stokachu> cory_fu: any idea why the output from headless install only prints out when it's completed?
[19:17] <stokachu> This is from running it via vagrant up and even in our Jenkins runs it would do that
[19:17] <stokachu> Dwellr: did you try that try setting yet?
[19:17] <stokachu> TTY
[19:17] <Dwellr> not yet.. apparently it's pretty strongly recommended against.. so leaving that as last resort
[19:17] <stokachu> Ik
[19:17] <stokachu> Ok
[19:18] <cory_fu> stokachu: No idea.  I don't use vagrant often.
[19:18] <stokachu> Dwellr: the only other thing I can think of is that we use terminal colors for the output
[19:19] <Dwellr> so does apt-get update/install and that outputs ok during vagrant
[19:19] <stokachu> Ah ok
[19:21] <xarses_> rick_h: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1716037
[19:21] <mup> Bug #1716037: gui fails to render local:charm icons  <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1716037>
[19:22] <stokachu> Dwellr: could vagrant only be printing a certain fd?
[19:26] <Dwellr> well.. it wouldn't explain why conjure-up kubernetes-core localhost > mylog.log doesn't write anything into mylog.log until the process finishes..
[19:26] <Dwellr> that's nothing to do with vagrant
[19:30] <xarses_> Dwellr: does `2>&1` help ?
[19:33] <cory_fu> stokachu: Maybe we could try adding flush=True to print() and cprint() in send_msg: https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up/blob/master/conjureup/utils.py#L248-L257
[19:33] <stokachu> cory_fu: good idea
[19:33] <cory_fu> stokachu: (flush=True docs: https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#print)
[19:34] <Dwellr> could I patch that in locally after installing conjure-up ?
[19:34] <cory_fu> AFAICT, cprint() passes through args to print(), so it should work on either
[19:34] <Dwellr> (happy to test if possible)
[19:34] <stokachu> Dwellr: so you would need to checkout the source
[19:34] <cory_fu> Yeah, I don't think you could patch the code in the snap
[19:34] <stokachu> Dwellr: if you clone https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up
[19:34] <stokachu> Dwellr: then run `make sysdeps; make dev`
[19:34] <Dwellr> heh.. was hoping being python the source would be on my system somewhere
[19:34] <stokachu> then you can . conjure-dev/bin/activate
[19:34] <stokachu> and try it there
[19:35] <cory_fu> Dwellr: It is, but bundled into the snap filesystem.  The confinement of snaps would make it challenging to modify
[19:36] <Dwellr> yeah.. I know nothing re snaps =)
[19:37] <cory_fu> Dwellr: Well, they essentially are a way to package, confine, and apply security to an application to make it safer and easier to manage.
[19:39] <cory_fu> I think you'd have to be root to unpack and modify the bundled file system image and even then I think the signing of the snap might prevent it
[19:39] <Dwellr> root simple, signing not.
[19:39] <Dwellr> just paste your private key here in the channel, and i'll resign it ;p
[19:39] <stokachu> lol
[19:40] <stokachu> dont forget cc# and security code
[19:40] <cory_fu> You could manage it, but in the end it's just easier to use the source from GitHub and either run the dev venv as stokachu suggested, or build the snap from that and install with --dangerous
[19:40] <Dwellr> I'll need your visa number, 4 digit pin, and 3 digit verification code
[19:40] <stokachu> lol
[19:40] <Dwellr> rofl.. jinx
[19:40] <cory_fu> :)
[19:40] <stokachu> Dwellr: yea the source is quicker, especially if you dont want to build a new snap
[19:40] <Dwellr> lemme clone my vagrant file, and have it stop before it does all the badness =)
[19:41] <cory_fu> stokachu: I wonder if we could test using the output redirection that Dwellr mentioned.
[19:41]  * Dwellr rather glad all this is running on his new dumpster-server ;p
[19:42] <Dwellr> sold as 'would not power on', I bought it just for the case (3u chenbro with 8x hotswap sata) .. turns out it powers on just fine (after adding some ram) .. it's a twin xeon e5530 server, (now) with 24gb per cpu,
[19:43] <cory_fu> Nice
[19:44] <cory_fu> stokachu: I'm seeing the same thing with redirection to a file
[19:44] <Dwellr> total price (excluding ram/drives).. just under 50$
[19:45] <cory_fu> Dwellr, stokachu: Yep, adding flush=True works
[19:46] <Dwellr> cool =) how long before that can make it into a proper build?
[19:46] <cory_fu> stokachu: I noticed that redirecting the output to a file still generates colored output.  I think "elif syss.__stdin__.isatty():" should actually be testing stdout, no?
[19:52] <cory_fu> Dwellr: I think we could get it in --edge today.  I'm about to put up a PR now
[19:53] <Dwellr> is that a flag for snap install ?
[19:54] <rick_h> Dwellr: yes, it looks at the edge channel of the snap to get pre-release stuff.
[19:54] <Dwellr> okie.. I can add that to the vagrant script quickly enough later then to test.
[19:55] <xarses_> ergh, rick_h two new problems can't logout from the store now that I linked my user, and since I linked my user there isn't a button to switch back to the models, you just have to stay on the user ui or go hack the url
[19:56] <xarses_> actually, 3 the linking the user didn't go to the proper redirect and authorize oauth page, it just selected an account
[19:56] <rick_h> xarses_: k, will check it out. I just got the latest release yesterday and haven't tried the account page thing.
[19:56] <rick_h> huh?
[19:56] <rick_h> linking the user?
[19:57]  * rick_h is lost on what xarses_ is up to
[19:57] <xarses_> yes linking the juju user in the gui to the charmstore
[19:57] <rick_h> k, /me is bootstrapping to see i can see what you see
[19:57] <stokachu> cory_fu: nice
[19:58] <stokachu> Dwellr: so basically when it's ready you would run `sudo snap install conjure-up --classic --edge`
[19:58] <stokachu> or if already installed run `sudo snap refresh conjure-up --egde`
[19:58] <xarses_> it should have raised an oauth authorize page, it just accepted the context I was in, instead of the oauth page making me confirm the app
[19:59] <rick_h> xarses_: it's an openid vs oauth thing. It should open in a new window you can close once you auth (and think it says you can close it now)
[20:00] <xarses_> and its now logged in to the wrong user, and I don't see a unlink button
[20:01] <cory_fu> stokachu: https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up/pull/1148
[20:02] <stokachu> cory_fu: thanks, ill merge and push to edge soon as it's done with ci
[20:02] <cory_fu> stokachu: +1
[20:04] <rick_h> xarses_: ok, so I just tried to replicate it and I logged into the charmstore and it shows at the top my two models on my controller (controller and default) and the list of charms and bundles from my charmstore account. I then clicked on the default model, and clicked manage to get back to the GUI
[20:05] <rick_h> xarses_: it shows my username as "admin" on my profile page. I'm not sure what "wrong name" so any screenshots/etc would be helpful in looking at what went off the rails for you.
[20:05] <rick_h> xarses_: bugs are tracked on GH at github.com/juju-juju-gui/issues
[20:05] <xarses_> ya working on those
[20:07] <xarses_> rick_h: for the oauth, I expected a dialog like https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_Hn-o0wEGNfZHdLZmt4VTdYV1E
[20:08] <xarses_> I got https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_Hn-o0wEGNfUVR6aVNGOGNVOUE as the first page
[20:09] <rick_h> xarses_: hmm, I think because the GUI doesn't request any of the account details it doesn't have that dialog
[20:09] <rick_h> xarses_: you only have to give approval if the application asks for the details so it can restore it locally for any reason
[20:12] <xarses_> I'd still expect the ask, its now linked to the wrong account because it just used the first cookie it found
[20:12] <xarses_> oauth is supposed to be explicit in this regard, the oauth host isn't supposed to allow the app if the user doesn't allow it
[20:14] <xarses_> with regards to the other issue https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_Hn-o0wEGNfQ0Y0cmVwRUhEbDg
[20:14] <rick_h> xarses_: as for logging back out you're right there's not a box there. The work-around for the moment would be to wipe the cookies and local storage on the browser for the api.jujucharms.com domain from the browser :(
[20:14] <rick_h> xarses_: understand, it's not oauth atm but good feedback.
[20:15] <xarses_> rick_h: I haven't even authorized that account for jujucharms.com either
[20:15] <rick_h> xarses_: right so from there if you click on the model name you can click on "manage"
[20:15] <rick_h> xarses_: right, you're butting up against how ubuntu sso works
[20:15] <xarses_> and that its super broken for multiple accounts?
[20:16] <rick_h> xarses_: notice nothing through ubuntu sso has that setup. I think you can wipe https://login.ubuntu.com/+applications and remove the web login? I'm not sure
[20:16] <stokachu> Dwellr: it's building now, you can see the status here https://code.launchpad.net/~conjure-up/+snap/conjure-up
[20:17] <rick_h> xarses_: so the user/etc is the local juju account. The charmstore login is kind of on the side and doesn't effect the juju "admin" account you logged into the GUI in any way
[20:17] <stokachu> looks like it'll be at least 40 minutes before it starts
[20:17] <stokachu> usually takes about 5 minutes to build
[20:17] <xarses_> rick_h: ya, I get that but I can't log it out now, as its on the wrong usso account
[20:18] <rick_h> xarses_: right, so that's why I said that it's a valid bug to not have a logout of charmstore button there, so you'd have to remove the localstorage/cookies from your browser atm apologies
[20:22] <xarses_> k
[20:22] <xarses_> oh, those expand? thats totally not obvious
[20:23] <rick_h> xarses_: +1, the team's working on an updated profile page that groups things into more logical buckets and reworks that UX
[20:23] <xarses_> the grouping is fine
[20:23] <rick_h> xarses_: I hate the expandy-two-click stuff and it's not middle click to open in new tab friendly heh
[20:23] <xarses_> just the layout didn't imply that they could expand
[20:23] <xarses_> +2 to the middle click
[20:24] <xarses_> I have to have a 3-5 button mouse
[20:24] <xarses_> Idk how people live with out them
[20:24] <rick_h> lol
[20:24] <rick_h> xarses_: I get your point though after tinkering with this stuff. It just uses your current sso account vs allowing you to pick when you login
[20:26] <xarses_> oh, you don't get to "pick" with the oauth ask from openstack.org either, it just gives you a chance to logout and log back in with the account you want it to use
[20:26] <rick_h> xarses_: right
[20:26] <xarses_> lp and oauth askers seem to be cool with my two accounts
[20:26] <xarses_> these usso ones just pick the first one
[20:27] <xarses_> which was fine for the force portal
[20:27] <rick_h> xarses_: I've got a bug filed on the lack of the logout button but yea, I think there's some limitation on working with the login.ubuntu.com stuff. Will see
[20:27] <xarses_> but is annoying me with the charm store
[20:28] <rick_h> gotcha, sorry I didn't grasp what you meant at first. Because I have 2-fa it always stops up for me to 2fa but if you didn't have that it'll just dump right in.
[21:05] <magicaltrout> ya'll trying the Ceph PV stuff in the CDK readme
[21:06] <magicaltrout> and i get timeout expired waiting for volumes to attach/mount for pod "default"/"web". list of unattached/unmounted volume
[21:06] <magicaltrout> not having used Ceph before, what am i missing or where should I prod?
[21:14] <tvansteenburgh> magicaltrout: what's the output of kubectl get pv
[21:15] <tvansteenburgh> and kubectl get pvc
[21:20] <tvansteenburgh> magicaltrout: i gotta run, feel free to post on the ML or file an issue on the cdk repo
[21:26] <magicaltrout> no worries ex-tim
[22:52] <kwmonroe> magicaltrout: i don't have experience with ceph either, but if i were you, i'd swap that for something lighter, like hdfs.
[22:59] <magicaltrout>  hmmm kwmonroe its like deja-vu
[23:00] <magicaltrout> you're right though, i did
[23:00] <magicaltrout>  /tmp


[01:16] <mup> PR snapd#11769 opened: tests: run failed tests by default <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11769>
[06:03] <mborzecki> morning
[06:08] <mardy> hi mborzecki!
[06:22] <mup> PR snapd#11770 opened: wrappers: write journald config files for quota groups with journal quotas (3/n) <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11770>
[06:53] <mup> PR snapd#11758 closed: osutil/disks: helper for obtaining the UUID of a partition which is a mount point source <Run nested> <factory reset 🔌> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11758>
[07:01] <mborzecki> mardy: hmm i think there may be a race with nfs homes in snapd, please take a look at the forum if what i wrote there makes sense
[07:06] <pstolowski> mornig
[07:06] <pstolowski> *morning!
[08:55] <jamesh> mvo: hi, I was wondering if I could get https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11760 merged? It has a review approval from mardy, and amurray also reviewed it (but just left it as a comment rather than adding a tick).
[08:55] <mup> PR #11760: cmd/snap-seccomp: only compare the bottom 32-bits of the flags arg of copy_file_range <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11760>
[09:30] <mvo> jamesh: sure, will do
[09:33] <mup> PR snapd#11760 closed: cmd/snap-seccomp: only compare the bottom 32-bits of the flags arg of copy_file_range <Created by jhenstridge> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11760>
[09:58] <jamesh> mvo: it looks like we might be able to get libseccomp improved to allow a better fix in future.
[09:59] <jamesh> mvo: also, it seems this is basically the same basic issue as https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-3917-1 (although not a security hole this time)
[11:09] <mup> PR snapd#11771 opened: tests: spread test for uc20 preseeding covering snap prepare-image <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11771>
[11:21] <mardy> zyga[m]: hi! Do you happen to remember whether in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/commit/bc9c346c15aa8815fa339e94585f889d23c6182b not adding the same autofs detection in /etc/fstab was a deliberate decision?
[11:22] <mardy> (a few lines below (not visible in the diff) there's a similar check for /etc/fstab, and that lacks the autofs type check)
[11:22] <zyga[m]> hey
[11:22] <zyga[m]> yes, it was
[11:23] <mardy> oh, I was just about to add it :-) Do you remember what was the reason?
[11:23] <zyga[m]> at the time I was told by autofs users that their systems had dynamic autofs mouts that are not described by fstab
[11:23] <zyga[m]> since snapd uses both sources (satatic fstab and dynamic mountinfo), this seemed sufficient
[11:24] <zyga[m]> note that I've learned since, that there are a lot of extra cases we didn't expect
[11:24] <zyga[m]> still, the logic at the time was sound IMO
[11:24] <mardy> ah, ok, but you don't foresee problems if we add the same to the fstab, do you?
[11:24] <mardy> for context: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/cannot-open-path-of-the-current-working-directory-permission-denied-bis/28704/31
[11:24] <zyga[m]> no
[11:24] <zyga[m]> it should be okay
[11:24] <mardy> excellent, thans
[11:24] <mardy> *thanks
[11:25] <zyga[m]> mardy: how is autofs expressed in /etc/fstab?
[11:26] <mardy> mmm... no idea, honestly; isn't it just another fs type like the others?
[11:26] <zyga[m]> no
[11:26] <zyga[m]> that's the point
[11:26] <zyga[m]> read the thread you've linked to
[11:26] <zyga[m]> it's specified in a different place
[11:26] <zyga[m]> and there's a whole range of config files to read
[11:27] <zyga[m]> I think it's a bit unfortunate that this is something we must support by reading random files :/
[11:27] <mardy> ah, so it skips /etc/fstab, I see
[11:27] <zyga[m]> unless you have someone who can work with you on their specific autofs setup, I would apply caution :/
[11:31] <mardy> I see, I was assuming that one would specify "autofs" in the /etc/fstab, and then had the whole configuration in the /etc/auto.master file, but now I understand that the fstab is skipped altogether
[11:34] <mup> PR snapd#11765 closed: deps: bump libseccomp to include build fixes, run unit tests using CC=clang <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11765>
[12:14] <mup> PR snapd#11764 closed: secboot/keymgr: remove recovery key, authorize with existing key <Simple 😃> <factory reset 🔌> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11764>
[12:29] <mup> PR snapd#11727 closed: o/snapshotstate: check installed snaps before running 'save' tasks <Simple 😃> <Run failed> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11727>
[12:54] <mup> PR snapd#11769 closed: tests: run failed tests by default <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11769>
[13:56] <mvo> jamesh: aha, thanks!
[15:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#3739 opened: legacy: plugins: convert paths to strings for commands <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3739>
[18:21] <mup> PR snapd#11763 closed: snapstate: do not auto-migrate to ~/Snap for core22 just yet <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11763>
[19:01] <mup> PR snapd#11772 opened: snapstate: do not auto-migrate to ~/Snap for core22 just yet (2.55) <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11772>
[21:12] <mup> PR snapd#10928 closed: tests: new nested test to validate current snapd with stable kernel <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Closed by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10928>
[23:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#3694 closed: autotools v1 plugin: fix fatal crash when running autogen.sh or bootstrap <Created by mtmiller> <Closed by mtmiller> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3694>


[00:05] <_marx_> internalkernel: join the nc team on lp and i'll admin you
[00:06] <_marx_> anyone else interested in being team contact should reply to my team email
[00:07] <_marx_> 100 geeks and everyone is too busy
[00:07] <_marx_> whatever
[00:13] <holstein> _marx_:
[00:13] <holstein> i assumed everything was taken care of
[00:13] <holstein> give it to me, amber or daniel
[00:13] <holstein> OR BugeyeD
[00:17] <internalkernel> _marx_: ping... I was busy... what do you need from me to transfer? My launchpad ID: internalkernel   https://launchpad.net/~internalkernel
[00:19] <holstein> internalkernel: im on the gig... but let me know if i can do anything
[00:20] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~mikeh789 if needed
[00:20] <internalkernel> cool, I should be around now that the little one is asleep...
[00:21] <holstein> i thought we were squared away?
[00:21] <internalkernel> thought...
[00:25] <_marx_> internalkernel: you aren't on the nc lp team
[00:25] <_marx_> lp and the new loco stuff
[00:26] <internalkernel> ok... I think I can join via lp... or is there a better way?
[00:26] <_marx_> join on lp internalkernel
[00:26] <_marx_> i can add you too
[00:27] <holstein> _marx_: i thought you had the ability to do it all?
[00:27] <_marx_> now team contact is on loco.u something
[00:27] <holstein> i literally thought it was all good
[00:27] <holstein> i dont understand the issue? the tone?
[00:27] <internalkernel> sweet... I'm 101
[00:27] <holstein> _marx_: what do you need in addition to the information you have?
[00:27] <_marx_> the tone is me
[00:28] <internalkernel> Im all in _marx_ let me know if you need anything else...
[00:28] <holstein> i want to be clear that what i have been implying and assuming was, that you could just be busy for a while
[00:28] <holstein> and less active as you need to be
[00:28] <_marx_> bad day, $36/day to get to work
[00:28] <holstein> you dont have to leave at all really
[00:29] <_marx_> no i'm not leaving just don't want to be team contact or own the lp page
[00:29] <holstein> _marx_: you need that email plugin that holds your outgoing messages for 24 hours ;)
[00:29] <_marx_> ha maybe so
[00:29] <internalkernel> lol... nice
[00:30] <internalkernel> I could use that one too
[00:30] <holstein> it would be handy
[00:30] <holstein> an unsend button :)
[00:30] <internalkernel> dude...
[00:30] <internalkernel> you're getting my hopes up
[00:30] <_marx_> unsend retract cool
[00:30] <_marx_> no just very high stress level
[00:31] <_marx_> the ends just don't meet
[00:31] <holstein> _marx_: you know where i am... if i can offer any low-stress interaction
[00:32] <_marx_> i go sit under the big maple tree and listen to the cicadas
[00:32] <holstein> alright.. back to the gig... BBL
[00:33] <internalkernel> I joined the nc team... is that all that you needed?
[00:33] <_marx_> yep, minute or two you should get an email internalkernel
[00:33] <internalkernel> cool... thanks
[00:34] <_marx_> who's the jeff guy that expressed interest? anyone know?
[00:35] <internalkernel> was that on the mailing list? maybe they are not in irc often?  no idea...
[00:38] <_marx_> yes mailing list on the jeff
[00:38] <_marx_> might be jeffrash don't know
[00:44] <_marx_> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-northcarolina
[00:44] <internalkernel> got the email, looks like that is sorted... thanks!
[00:45] <_marx_> afaik that's where team contact needs to be changed, maybe on wiki.....something too
[00:47] <_marx_> oh it's plural there too, hum
[00:47] <internalkernel> I think the team contact is still akgraner, right? That's on the wiki... I see the Email contact on the launchpad page, but that emails to everyone on the team... not just one person.
[00:49]  * _marx_ not 100% up to date on team contacts seems to be wiki lp and loco.u.com
[00:50] <_marx_> the loco one isn't picking up changes to lp that i expected
[00:50] <_marx_> so i'm done for tonight.
[00:55] <internalkernel> aye... we'll get it sorted... no worries...
[03:08] <_marx_> internalkernel: yep
[14:37] <jeffrash> _marx_, what might be me?
[14:39] <_marx_> dreadpiratejeff at gmail dot com
[14:52] <_marx_> l
[19:46] <jeffrash> oh, that's not me
[19:47] <jeffrash> I'm jsrash at gmail dot com
[19:47] <jeffrash> :)
[20:07] <_marx_> ok
[20:07]  * _marx_ main gmail is old; april 04 about 2 months after it launched


  The fact that dapper will have support on servers after gutsy+1 is gone is a different factor....
[12:23] <yahooadam> grub error 14 that time :(
[12:24] <yahooadam> or 15
[12:24] <yahooadam> should have written it down
[12:24] <yahooadam> 14 is filesystem compatibility error
[12:24] <yahooadam> and 15 is file not found
[12:26] <yahooadam> mounted hda1 and all thats there is "lost+found"
[12:26] <yahooadam> yet gparted says 600mb is used
[12:36] <yahooadam> sigh
[12:36] <yahooadam> looks like an ubuntu reinstall
[12:39] <ScottK> yahooadam: One thing to consider...
[12:40] <ScottK> Generally on Feisty, disks (and other devices) are tracked by UUID and not by traditional names.
[12:40] <yahooadam> yeah scot ?
[12:40] <ScottK> I'm not sure how you ended up with out that.
[12:40] <yahooadam> how do you work out the UUID ?
[12:41] <ScottK> If you have multiple drives, using the UUID keeps it so the right drive is always booted.
[12:41] <ScottK> The installer should do it for you.
[12:41] <yahooadam> ah
[12:41] <ScottK> If it doesn't, you can look in /dev/device-by-uuid, I think
[12:41] <yahooadam> well i hadnt touched the ubuntu config
[12:41] <yahooadam> so it may well have been using UUID
[12:42] <yahooadam> but i always rememberd it as hda1 :p
[12:42] <ScottK> It's in /dev/disk/by-uuid
[12:42] <yahooadam> kk, but as the disk was corrupt couldnt exactly see that :p
[12:43] <ScottK> If you are having problems getting the boot drive recognized, you can look there and check to make sure it's the same as in your /boot/grub/menu.lst.
[12:43] <ScottK> Right.
[12:43] <ScottK> Not the problem you were having this time, but
[12:43] <ScottK> ...
[12:43] <yahooadam> kk
[12:43] <ScottK> an oddity of what you were describing to be aware of for the future.
[12:43] <yahooadam> kk :)
[12:44] <yahooadam> is there any way to recover my data ?
[12:44] <yahooadam> (atleast that drive was only hosting ubuntu itself, i would have been pissed if i had lost a data drive)
[12:51] <yahooadam> right well thx for the help anyway
[12:52] <yahooadam> l8trs
[01:17] <duaneb> hello?
[01:17] <duaneb> I'm completely new to this server stuff
[01:18] <duaneb> I followed the instructions given on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RubyOnRails , but how can I get to it? :P
[01:18] <duaneb> the scripts/server works excellently
[01:28] <nealmcb> A server of mine is running into spam problems, e.g. being listed as dhcp incorrectly at dhcp.tqmcube.com  I want to mine our mail.log files (postfix) to look for more outgoing mail bounces and problems.  Is there a nice log parsing program to help me with this?  awstats gives some info, but not much about error messages
[01:28] <nealmcb> duaneb: we need specifics.  see the Seriously good guide to asking questions on IRC: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[01:28] <duaneb> nealmcb: I gave you specifics
[01:29] <nealmcb> "get to it" - what do you mean?
[01:29] <duaneb> I followed the EXACT guide on the link I provided
[01:29] <duaneb> ahh
[01:29] <duaneb> My root is showing as the default apache page
[01:29] <nealmcb> what did you say and what did it say that was unexpected and why did you think so
[01:31] <duaneb> nealmcb: thanks, but I got it working with an alias :)
[01:31] <nealmcb> which options did you choose in that howto?
[01:31] <duaneb> ahh
[01:31] <nealmcb> duaneb: ahh - good!
[01:44] <frederific> I have just upgraded my webserver (only running a few pages within my house) to feisty. I need to change the default gateway. I used to do this by editing /etc/interfaces, now that file no longer exists, how do I do it?
[01:55] <nealmcb> frederific: /etc/network/interfaces
[01:55] <frederific> nealmcb: ah, thanks a lot :)
[01:55] <nealmcb> :-)
[01:56] <frederific> it was always that, wasn't it? and I'm just too dense to have noticed...
[01:56] <nealmcb> I think so....
[01:56] <nealmcb> (not that you're dense :-)
[01:56] <frederific> :P
[02:54] <hiroshiX> yay, I got the iscsi to work in linux
[07:57] <jbrouhard> Anyone here ever work with HP LPr Servers?
[08:09] <jbrouhard> hey PanzerMKZ
[08:57] <kraut> moin
[11:01] <CrummyGummy> nealmcb, Sure, got an input?
[11:56] <enseven> Hi! I have got an Ubuntu Server, that sees 1 Volume over two fibre channel paths, e.g. /dev/sdd and /dev/sde. With multipath-tools I can create a device in /dev/mapper that uses both paths. Generally there is the possibility to set priorities. At the moment priorities are the same, and the first path found is used. But it varies which is found first. I would like to set different priorities to configure which path should be prefered
[11:56] <enseven> . Does anyone know how to do this? See http://paste.uni.cc/16917
[12:42] <fabbione> hey Christian
[12:43] <fabbione> enseven: no i don't recall how to do it off hands.. but there is a long example config file in /usr/share...
[12:43] <fabbione> enseven: with all the explanation
[12:43] <fabbione> anyway i am back to enjoy my last day of holidays
[01:04] <enseven> fabbione: That's why I wonder to meet you in the chat. You should really enjoy your holidays!
[01:07] <enseven> fabbione: I read the /usr/share/doc/multipath-tools/examples/multipath.conf.annotated.gz. There is a "prio_callout" option. It is to call a script to determine the priority. But there is no information about the script, how it works and no example.
[01:43] <chandu_> Hi
[01:57] <enseven> chandu_: Hi
[01:59] <chandu_> enseven, While booting , I am getting this erro
[01:59] <chandu_> enseven,  ata2: port is slow to respond
[02:00] <enseven> For those who joined during the last hour again my question: I have got an Ubuntu Server, that sees 1 Volume over two fibre channel paths, e.g. /dev/sdd and /dev/sde. With multipath-tools I can create a device in /dev/mapper that uses both paths. Generally there is the possibility to set priorities. At the moment priorities are the same, and the first path found is used. But it varies which is found first. I would like to set differ
[02:00] <enseven> ent priorities to configure which path should be prefered. Does anyone know how to do this? See http://paste.uni.cc/16917 . In  /usr/share/doc/multipath-tools/examples/multipath.conf.annotated.gz there is an option "prio_callout" that is to be used for this. But there is no description or example how to do this.
[02:00] <enseven> chandu_: So your are missing some disk drives?
[02:07] <dthacker> enseven: two controllers on the SAN?
[02:07] <chandu_> enseven, missing disk drives
[02:08] <dthacker> bbl
[06:08] <tck> question
[06:09] <tck> im using kernel 2.6.20-16
[06:09] <tck> and if i wanted to patch to the latest stable at kernel.org which is at <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:10] <tck> I have to apply patche 2.6.21 before i apply <IP_ADDRESS> right ?
[06:10] <tck> s/patche/patch/
[06:10] <tck>  apply <IP_ADDRESS> right ?
[06:13] <gamble6x> I BELIEVE that to patch you have to go up through the versions yes.  Though I have never done it myself.  I've always simply just compiled/installed the latest kernel.
[06:16] <tck> well here's my confusement
[06:16] <tck> one surely doesn't have to start at <IP_ADDRESS> and then do <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:16] <tck> which patch version of the 2.6.21 do i patch with?
[06:17] <tck> there's alot of patch released for 2.6.21.* http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/
[06:22] <gamble6x> again, this is only from what I've read, but you can patch based on the main updates.  so 2.6.19 to 2.6.20 to <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:24] <gamble6x> but also remember that you're patching your source and then recompiling from that anyway.
[06:24] <tck> sure
[06:25] <tck> there is no <IP_ADDRESS> so to speak only http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-<IP_ADDRESS>.bz2
[06:25] <tck> i presume the first 2.6.21.* patch is suitable?
[06:26] <tck> excuse there is
[06:26] <tck> sorry
[06:26] <tck> http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.21.bz2 ;)
[06:32] <lamont`> generally speaking, I've found it works better to just take my patches to the new kernel, rather than bringing the new kernel in patch form to my patches
[07:34] <dthacker> hello, in this package name: 1-38.11-7ubuntu6   Does 1.38.11 refer to the bacula version?
[07:35] <ScottK> Yes
[07:36] <ScottK> -7 is the Debian revision and ubuntu6 is the Ubuntu revisions to the Debian revision.
[07:38] <dthacker> thanks.  I see that bacula 2.03 is in universe for gutsy.  I also know that the project is about to release 2.20 this weekend.  Does Ubuntu wait for new Debian packages, or package the new version?
[07:45] <ScottK> It depends on if someone is motivated.
[07:51] <dthacker> ok thanks.
[08:14] <ivoks> mathiaz: ping
[08:16] <mathiaz> ivoks: yop
[08:16] <ivoks> i don't recall that i told you...
[08:17] <ivoks> but it is possible to create guided RAID setup
[08:17] <ivoks> there is .udeb in debian already
[08:17] <mathiaz> ivoks: excellent.
[08:17] <ivoks> i guess raid+lvm shouldn't be dificult then
[08:17] <ivoks> the bad news is that i have only GPRS connection here (i'm on a vacation)
[08:18] <mathiaz> ok. currently we don't even have RAID.
[08:18] <mathiaz> what about adding RAID for now ?
[08:18] <ivoks> i will test it, but it will take time
[08:19] <ivoks> cause i'm very limited with connection :)
[08:19] <mathiaz> ok. no problem.
[08:19] <ivoks> when is future freeze?
[08:19] <ivoks> opening web page would take ages :D
[08:20] <mathiaz> feature freeze is next week
[08:20] <mathiaz> on the 16th
[08:20] <ivoks> urgh...
[08:21] <mathiaz> So you said that for the raid setup, it's already in debian.
[08:21] <ivoks> i'll try at least do guided raid till then
[08:21] <ivoks> yes, for some time, but we didn't include it, and i don't know why
[08:21] <mathiaz> that means it may be easier to integrate.
[08:22] <mathiaz> ok. so let's try to get RAID before feature freeze.
[08:22] <ivoks> of course...
[08:22] <mathiaz> and get it tested for tribe-5.
[08:22] <mathiaz> once RAID is integrated, we can start to have a look at RAID+LVM.
[08:23] <ivoks> ok, you can count on me
[08:23] <mathiaz> ivoks: excellent. Thanks for your help !
[08:42] <foo> Can 500-1000 TIME_WAITs for mysql port cause a load between 2-3? RAM is fine (no swapping), CPU utilization is < 24%... I'm trying to narrow this down, only thing that looks strange is TIME_WAITs
[08:43] <foo> ivoks: ping
[08:47] <foo> :) I'm at linuxworld myself, but there seems to be a problem. /me checks to see if we use persistent connections for mysql
[11:55] <Innatech> Is ICH7 fakeraid supported on 7.04 server? The installer sees the physical disks instead of the mirror defined in the BIOS setup screen.
[11:56] <ajmitch> I suspect it'd only be supported by dmraid
[11:57] <ajmitch> which is in universe
[11:57] <mathiaz> ajmitch: is universe supposed to be enabled by default on fresh server installs ?
[11:57] <ajmitch> no
[11:57] <mathiaz> hum... ok thks. Seems that it's the case with the tribe-4 isos.
[11:58] <ajmitch> at least I don't think it's a good idea, though I think universe was enabled by default for the desktop
[11:58] <mathiaz> ok. so bug 105511 has been fixed
[11:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105511 in Ubuntu "Universe and Multiverse not enabled by default on the livecd" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105511
[11:59] <ajmitch> given my bandwidth limitations :)
[11:59] <Innatech> So, can I switch to TTY2 and apt-get install dmraid, and then re-scan the disks?
[12:00] <ajmitch> you could try it at least :)
[12:00] <Innatech> heh. yeah. I will. :)
[12:07] <lionel> mathiaz: universe and multiverse is enabled by default in feisty (on a fresh server install)


[02:45] <JuanCarlos> hai
[02:45] <ZachK18> what up?
[02:46] <JuanCarlos> Can anyone tell me how to repair my error or repair this error? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners
[02:46] <JuanCarlos> i want to post my submission but i dont understand the layout :(
[02:47] <ZachK18> what do you want to do exactly
[02:47] <JuanCarlos> mine is "Juan carlos" i want it like "Andrew H's" post
[02:48] <ZachK18> JuanCarlos, hold on...i think i can fix it
[02:48] <JuanCarlos> :) nice...
[02:49] <JuanCarlos> sometimes these layout on the wiki seems complicated
[02:49] <JuanCarlos> for me at least
[02:49] <ZachK18> they are...hold up
[02:54] <ZachK18> i think it's because it's a jpg but i'm not sure...let me look some more at the coding
[02:55] <JuanCarlos> but it says .JPG is OK
[02:55] <JuanCarlos> :)
[02:55] <ZachK18> i know...that's the weird part
[02:56] <JuanCarlos> maybe a bug, or aliencode
[02:56] <ZachK18> i don't know...
[02:56] <starcraftman> uh oh, wiki problem. Starcraft.man to the rescue!
[02:57] <ZachK18> hey starcraftman...look at this page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners
[02:57] <ZachK18> starcraftman, JuanCarlos can't get it to work...neither can i
[02:57] <ZachK18> it's his prob though...me helping
[02:58] <JuanCarlos> hehe, dont work, but i dont know...
[02:59] <JuanCarlos> some boss would fix it i think :)
[02:59] <ZachK18> starcraftman, you looking at the page my man?
[03:01] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: refresh page.
[03:01] <starcraftman> {{}} is for embedding images.
[03:02] <JuanCarlos> aaaah i see, it works!   :)
[03:02] <starcraftman> [[link|Text]] Is for hyperlinks, link is URL text is whatever ya want link to read.
[03:02] <ZachK18> can't believe that was it...
[03:02] <JuanCarlos> thank you so much
[03:02] <ZachK18> i shoulda known
[03:02] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: no problemo, I am a wiki editor after all :)
[03:02] <ZachK18> same here....just not as good...yet
[03:02] <JuanCarlos> so {{http:url-of-the-image}} and nothing more?
[03:03] <starcraftman> ZachK18: hehehe, well consider such a free lesson on links. Can always ask me questions even if stlsaint is my paddy.
[03:03] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: yup.
[03:03] <JuanCarlos> ok, because i upload more...
[03:03] <JuanCarlos> maybe
[03:04] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: sure, should put one for its here and coming tomorrow as well.
[03:05] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: also, I'd blend in the ubuntu logo a bit more. It sticks out a bit too much, or change color maybe? Or desaturate?
[03:05] <starcraftman> just sticks out too much imo.
[03:05] <JuanCarlos> yes i know :s
[03:06] <JuanCarlos> but if i make it white is ugly, if i make it gray is ugly, maybe transparency
[03:07] <starcraftman> I like the background image though, nice, bit biased cuz I'm a kde user I guess
[03:07] <ZachK18> starcraftman, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DocumentationTemplate i messed it up...
[03:08] <starcraftman> ZachK18: have to fix up another page do i? Trouble :p
[03:08] <ZachK18> starcraftman, well i did NOT intend to do what i did...
[03:08] <ZachK18> starcraftman, realized my serious mistake
[03:09] <ZachK18> starcraftman, can you fix my huge error?
[03:09] <starcraftman> ZachK18: lol, calm down, it's just a template, nobody cares! :)
[03:09] <starcraftman> I'm just messing with ya.
[03:09] <starcraftman> Also, lesson 2 of today.
[03:10] <ZachK18> starcraftman, hey don't do that two me man....i'm trying to join the team...not get banned for being an idiot!
[03:10] <starcraftman> Pull up edit bar, next to Edit > Pagehistory. Click that.
[03:10] <starcraftman> Next you'll see a new page with all the revisions to wiki, small or large.
[03:11] <starcraftman> At right you can view any revision, in middle top, you'll see diff column. Ya can see chagnes made to any two revisions (i.e. it sees what lines changed) Don't have to be side by side.
[03:11] <starcraftman> also lists of course, editor, comments, time etc...
[03:12] <starcraftman> ZachK18: relax, worst thing that happens is ya delete entire page and I tell Rocket to restore it to a previous revision. We are very relaxed on team, if ya went and did that to 50 wiki pages on purpose then we'd be mad.
[03:12] <starcraftman> admins have power to restore to a given revision like a snapshot.
[03:12] <ZachK18> starcraftman, ok whew
[03:13]  * Rocket2DMn peeks
[03:13] <starcraftman> ZachK18: lesson 3 for you is don't worry so much.  Or else you'll get way too stressed out.
[03:16] <starcraftman> ZachK18: also, you'd have to manually edit the page and restore it to way previous revision was. Rocket can just revert revisions with his 1337 admin powers.
[03:17] <starcraftman> ZachK18: this leads us to Lesson 0 btw. Never push save unless ya mean it. :)
[03:17] <ZachK18> well let me try once ok? how else am i to learn and be able to be accepted as a member?
[03:17] <starcraftman> ZachK18: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/Formatting
[03:18] <starcraftman> ZachK18: theres a wiki sandbox page there ya can play in.
[03:18] <starcraftman> also has lots of info on formatting. See other pages for more topics.
[03:18] <Rocket2DMn> you can play on the team wiki too, like under your own personal page
[03:18] <Rocket2DMn> for example, i have a sandbox here which i play in - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Rocket2DMn/Sandbox
[03:18] <starcraftman> Rocket's suggestion also valid.
[03:18] <starcraftman> Up to you.
[03:20] <ZachK18> i gotta go unfortunately so just do it...tell me how though later
[03:21] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: hehe, love his spirit but he needs to relax a bit.
[03:21] <starcraftman> hehe, thought he was gonna blow an artery a bit there.
[03:22] <Rocket2DMn> lol, oh well, we could all need to relax a bit more sometimes
[03:22] <Rocket2DMn> i know i do, esp after these last few weeks
[03:22] <Rocket2DMn> ill rever his changes
[03:23] <Rocket2DMn> done
[03:23] <Rocket2DMn> starcraftman, his LP avatar makes him look pretty young
[03:23] <Rocket2DMn> thats ok though
[03:26] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: oh indeed, I'll mess with him extra specially to get him to relax :p
[03:41] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: work ok on images ?
[03:42] <JuanCarlos> yes ATM
[03:43] <jikuty> for someone who wants to start contributing to documentation, is the Community Wiki the best place to start?
[03:45] <starcraftman> jikuty: that is a good question. Depends if ya want to do wiki work, if ya want to do system documentation (i.e. the documentation comes local to ubuntu) then no.
[03:46] <starcraftman> Otherwise, yes, we do wiki work there.
[03:47] <jikuty> i see, i'd imagine it's harder to get started with system documentation as a new contributor though
[03:48] <starcraftman> jikuty: different things. To do wiki work ya need to learn the markup, to do system documentation well its not the same. I'm no expert on it, but don't think its much harder. It is separate though, diferent work.
[03:48] <jikuty> i see
[03:48] <starcraftman> jikuty: system docs mostly work from bzr and its like dev work though bugs are text not coding. I more of a wiki editor though.
[03:49] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: Care to elaborate?
[03:49] <jikuty> oh, ok
[03:49] <dsas> system docs is just a different set of markup really, more like html but with different tags
[03:49] <jikuty> would a familiarity with LaTeX help?
[03:50] <dsas> jikuty, being unfamiliar with latex I'm not sure :)
[03:50] <dsas> the system docs are written in docbook XML
[03:50] <jikuty> ah, i'm not familiar with it (yet!)
[03:51] <starcraftman> dsas: ah, thanks for replying. Ah yes, docbook XML...
[03:51] <dsas> jikuty, It's mostly quite easy to pick up as you read the docs to be honest.
[03:51] <starcraftman> jikuty: so it's not really a harder or easier, just different things to learn. If ya want to get into wiki work, hit me up. I do lots. :)
[03:52] <jikuty> are there any plans to improve the organization of the community wiki? from the user's perspective, it seems like just a huge mess of pages with little coherence
[03:52] <jikuty> starcraftman, thanks - i might do just that
[03:52] <starcraftman> dsas: +1 Looking at source ya can pick up most markups, lil documentation and asking questions help too :).
[03:53] <dsas> sure, I think there is a docbook primer in the wiki somewhere actually...
[03:53] <starcraftman> jikuty: wiki.ubuntu ya mean? Well ya, it's kinda messy and the community huc pages are the main effort.
[03:53] <starcraftman> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DocBook
[03:54] <jikuty> thanks
[03:54] <starcraftman> ^ Those pages are where main effort for wiki documentation is, we keep it clean. wiki.ubuntu to be honest, it's a dumping ground for proposals, homepages, old deprecated info and etc...
[03:54] <starcraftman> It'll stay messy....... forever. By design.
[03:54] <jikuty> oic
[03:55] <ZachK18> hey i'm back
[03:55] <starcraftman> ZachK18: Indeed.
[03:55] <starcraftman> and I, I..... well I never left.
[03:55] <starcraftman>  :)
[03:55] <ZachK18> lol
[03:55]  * ZachK18 and starcraftman are funny
[03:56] <dsas> jikuty, You may already have found it but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation has info on getting started with the system docs
[03:56] <starcraftman> ah, picking up on that. Yes, I try. So you better relax buddy, or you'll never survive. Especially seeing as I'm one of the more active bt wiki members :p
[03:56] <dsas> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Wiki for getting started with wii docs
[03:56] <starcraftman> ZachK18: ^
[03:57] <ZachK18> starcraftman, yes
[03:57] <jikuty> dsas: yep, i've taken a quick look at those.. i'm going to read them in a bit more depth later
[03:57] <dsas> jikuty, cool :)
[03:57] <jikuty> starcraftman: so are the pages in the "Index of available pages" ever actually used by users?
[03:58] <jikuty> ^ at https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[03:58] <starcraftman> jikuty: you might prefer > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/Formatting for documetnation, seems like the wiki.ubuntu ones are a bit unfinished and got moved here.
[03:58] <starcraftman> or at least wiki one.
[03:59] <starcraftman> ZachK18: good good, anyway, Rocket2DMn fixed the page in a few seconds. So, what ya wanna do?
[03:59] <starcraftman> jikuty: well they on welcome page, people better use em. I'm not responsible for that one.
[04:00] <starcraftman> jikuty: >https://wiki.ubuntu.com/starcraft.man
[04:00] <ZachK18> well i'm editing a wiki page...(page i made) my doc thing i told you about? or did i not tell you..
[04:01] <starcraftman> if ya want to see some pages I've done jikuty, see wiki section of my homepage. They can be good for studying source, just don't edit unless a problem.
[04:01] <starcraftman> ZachK18: nope
[04:02] <ZachK18> starcraftman, oh...ok...well i'm making a wiki page documentting how to load Firebird DBMS, Apache2, PHP5, PEAR, and FlameRobin on Ubuntu Jaunty
[04:03] <jikuty> starcraftman: thanks, i'll definitely take a look at them and see what i can learn
[04:03] <starcraftman> ZachK18: ok, just be sure not overlapping somewhere. We might have entries for em, somewhere. Always search first.
[04:03] <ZachK18> no...you don't
[04:03] <JuanCarlos> New series coming soon, bamboo, koala; koala, bamboo :)  http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7374/bannerkarmic2day30.jpg
[04:04] <ZachK18> hey JuanCarlos get the coc signed?
[04:05] <ZachK18> wait...not you
[04:05] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: yay, that is awesome! Just two notes. Maybe put a koala faded in the background and make the days left just a tiny bit more noticeable imo. But nice, I like it. Background and effects over are good. :)
[04:06] <JuanCarlos> tech and nature, the back ground
[04:06] <starcraftman> JuanCarlos: yup, works. Just tweak it ever so slightly and I think it'll be perfect :)
[04:07] <JuanCarlos> ok
[04:07] <ZachK18> starcraftman, thanks for the forums friending add
[04:08] <starcraftman> ZachK18: I did? Not seeing ya on my list.
[04:09] <ZachK18> starcraftman, hmm....wait...
[04:10] <ZachK18> nope...i didn't add you starcraftman....look me up under Zachk18 on the forums and ad me
[04:12] <starcraftman> there ya go.
[04:13] <starcraftman> ZachK18: also, making me do work? Really?  I'll have ya peeling potatoes belo' decks, avast. And swabbing the decks till they shine!
[04:14] <starcraftman> oh and I did add ya.
[04:14] <ZachK18> starcraftman, aye captain....lol....plz let me join!
[04:14] <ZachK18> i caught that
[04:15] <ZachK18> think i have a good chance of being accepted? what with all my posts and my doc for firebird and all that?
[04:16] <starcraftman> hehe, don't worry about it ZachK18, it comes in time. It's not an X > Y, being full member isn't magical either. You just listen to your mentor and you'll be up for vote before ya know it.
[04:16] <ZachK18> sweet
[04:17] <ZachK18> well i gotta go continue my project of my doc page
[04:17] <starcraftman> ZachK18: no worries, enjoy.
[04:17] <ZachK18> starcraftman, here's the link...it's still a work in progress of course but I value your opinion... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu with Firebird Database
[04:17] <ZachK18> wait....
[04:17] <ZachK18> don't do that
[04:18] <starcraftman> nope, copy url at top with extra /firebird or what not.
[04:18] <ZachK18> i can't have spaces
[04:18] <starcraftman> also remember I only see what ya applied to page, not what your editting.
[04:18] <ZachK18> so i'm gonna delete the page and make a new one
[04:18] <ZachK18> without spaces
[04:19] <starcraftman> whats url of one ya made, lemme see.
[04:19] <starcraftman> Also, only admins can delete hehe.
[04:19] <ZachK18> not when it's my page
[04:20] <starcraftman> you can blank out pages by removing all text. But only admins can actually delete entry pointing to a page.
[04:20] <ZachK18> hmmm
[04:20] <Rocket2DMn> anybody can delete pages on w.u.c
[04:20] <ZachK18> ah ok
[04:21] <Rocket2DMn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firebird1.5
[04:21] <Rocket2DMn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firebird2.0
[04:22] <Rocket2DMn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firebird2.1
[04:22] <ZachK18> yeah but those don't cover what i'm doing
[04:22] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: ah, k, I stand corrected :).  What were ya playing?
[04:23] <Rocket2DMn> i wasnt playing, i was yelling at the tv
[04:23] <Rocket2DMn> college football
[04:23] <starcraftman> oh lol
[04:24] <starcraftman> sorry, what was I thinking. An IRC guy actually going out to play a real sport :p
[04:25] <Rocket2DMn> lol
[04:27] <ZachK18> Rocket2DMn, the pages you listed are for firebird alone.....i've not yet found one doc or wiki page ANYWHERE that details how to set up a ftp server with apache2, php5, pear, and firebird dbms
[04:27] <ZachK18> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu-with-Firebird-Database
[04:28] <dsas> ZachK18, You don't need to document them all on one page
[04:28] <Rocket2DMn> what is pear?
[04:28] <dsas> cpan for php
[04:28] <ZachK18> pear is for php5-interbase with firebird
[04:29] <Rocket2DMn> oic
[04:29] <Rocket2DMn> what is the primary goal of setting these tools up together?
[04:29] <ZachK18> and dsas yes i do.....i've had several posts on the forums asking how to make this stuff work on ubuntu and nobody knows...people have replied to those posts with questions....exact questions i had...how to do it
[04:30] <ZachK18> the primary goal is to set up an FTP server...these programs work just fine on Windows and setting them up on windows is a breeze....on ubuntu....not so much
[04:30] <dsas> ZachK18, excuse my ignorance, I was under the impression you just had to install php5-interbase
[04:30] <dsas> don't really know much about the subject though
[04:30] <ZachK18> no....you need pear as well
[04:30] <ZachK18> that's why i'm trying to join the doc and wiki team...for this reason...
[04:31] <ZachK18> because I've talked to Artificial Intelligence on the forums...even he didn't know how to make this stuff work
[04:32] <ZachK18> so....see my point gentlemen?
[04:32] <starcraftman> ZachK18: consider me completely ignorant on server stuff for the purposes of this discussion. I do local stuff.
[04:33] <ZachK18> local meaning what
[04:33] <starcraftman> ZachK18: not server.
[04:33] <dsas> ZachK18, Not convinced you have to document an ftp and apache server at the same page as the firebird for php....but then I'm not an expert on the subject.
[04:33] <ZachK18> trust me...it's a good idea
[04:33] <jikuty> starcraftman: how long have you been involved with wiki contributions?
[04:33] <dsas> ZachK18, By all means go ahead and share the link after
[04:34] <ZachK18> this issue almost made me go back to windows
[04:34] <starcraftman> ZachK18: ya might want to ask mail list. Doc team has one, how people usually talk. Might wanna sk for feedback on draft, I'm sure someone on mail list has more experience.
[04:34] <ZachK18> i loved ubuntu...this made me hate it...still love it but now that i've got this working i love it even more
[04:34] <dsas> ZachK18, Get a draft or outline going then ask for feedback if you want. It may be clearer to some of us then
[04:35] <ZachK18> i've gotta go offline...moving pc upstairs.....again....my little bro has to watch Emperor's New Groove....again......
[04:35] <starcraftman> jikuty: good question. Not too long, since begining of summer. I been linux user far longer since early 6.06, and I was a forums support person far longer with over 2700 posts to date :)
[04:35] <starcraftman> I do a bit of everything. :)
[04:35] <jikuty> starcraftman: impressive :)
[04:35] <ZachK18> l8r guys
[04:35] <jikuty> i'm fairly new to the ubuntu community myself, i've only been using any version of linux for about 1.5 years
[04:36] <ZachK18> i'm considering myself a partial team member.....is that ok
[04:36] <ZachK18> what with all the wonderful teasing you've guys have given me....starcraftman
[04:37] <starcraftman> lol
[04:37] <Rocket2DMn> geez what did you do to him starcraftman , meanie!
[04:37] <starcraftman> jikuty: ah I see, welcome aboard then :)
[04:37] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: LOL!
[04:37] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: Me? I'm an angel!
[04:37]  * starcraftman puts on innocent look.
[04:38] <Rocket2DMn> well i wouldnt know anything about that
[04:38] <jikuty> starcraftman: thanks! i really love the project/community, so i'd love to give back to it at some point... documentation/forums seem like a good place to start.
[04:40] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: I'm not that bad, I know worse people than I! Besides, what other fun would there be than to pick on new guys just a bit, gotta get em introduced properly :)
[04:40] <starcraftman> jikuty: thats the spirit.
[04:43] <jikuty> alright.. i'm off for now.
[04:43] <starcraftman> later jikuty
[04:44] <jikuty> thanks for the information guys, i'll do a detailed read of the information sooner or later
[04:44] <ZachK18> i'v vack
[04:45] <starcraftman> ZachK18: I see, and dun worry about the messing, I'm always like this. Gotta keep the amusement rolling on else life gets drab!
[04:45] <ZachK18> starcraftman, i agree
[04:46] <starcraftman> good.
[04:46] <ZachK18> so
[04:46] <ZachK18> want a link to my wiki page i'm making?
[04:49] <starcraftman> I'll wait till ya finish more, still got ways to go and left template at bottom. If ya want some pointers, see examples from my wiki work on how to structure and format. Just don't apply after looking at the source :)
[04:49] <ZachK18> yeah
[04:49] <starcraftman> ZachK18: Also has good tips. Read different sections from top header > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/Formatting
[04:49] <ZachK18> well, i've work to do on it so l8r man
[06:49] <Zachk18> anybody here?
[06:49] <Zachk18> or just me
[15:11] <Rocket2DMn> So how do we know if a package has apport hooks or not?
[15:11] <Rocket2DMn> oops wrong channel


[00:58] <evan2645> hi people. quick and easy question. how is dhclient invoked during boot on 14.04?? can't find init script or upstart configuration for neither dhclient or network-manager