[10:29] <cjwatson> wgrant: So I was looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/42298 after a friend whinged at me about it, which took me to https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/destroy-dsp_picker-ff/+merge/128138, and I believe I have a modification to the query which produces reasonable results and executes in more like 160ms than the previous one which took multiple seconds
[10:29] <mup> Bug #42298: package picker lists unpublished (invalid) packages <lp-bugs> <target-picker> <vocabulary> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/42298>
[10:30] <cjwatson> wgrant: The piece I don't understand is the comment that it "breaks the branch case".  Do you remember background on that?
[10:30] <wgrant> cjwatson: charms
[10:31] <wgrant> cjwatson: /charms is a distro which has no actual packages.
[10:31] <wgrant> It tracks bugs for things that have no publications, just branches.
[10:31] <cjwatson> aha
[10:31] <wgrant> Since we don't materialise which package names are actually valid in a given context, this makes things stupid.
[10:32] <wgrant> There are hacks in place specifically for /charms that allow a bug to be targeted to a non-existent package if there is an official branch, IIRC.
[10:32] <wgrant> Maybe any branch at all.
[10:33] <cjwatson> guessPublishedSourcePackageName does a thing with branches, indeed
[10:34] <wgrant> Yep
[10:34] <wgrant> Just found that.
[10:34] <cjwatson> Perhaps I have enough headroom in my modified query to deal with that
[10:34] <wgrant> Official only.
[10:34] <wgrant> The query should be very quick now.
[10:34] <cjwatson> I basically replaced the join constraints with dspc.fti @@ to_tsquery('default', 'blah')
[10:34] <wgrant> Oh
[10:35] <wgrant> Heh
[10:35] <wgrant> That index very nearly disappeared yesterday
[10:35] <cjwatson> Was it just below the cut?
[10:35] <wgrant> No, it was entirely unused AFAICS, but small and cold enough that I didn't bother deleting it.
[10:36] <cjwatson> Well, perhaps you could see your way clear to leaving it there, it appears to be potentially quite handy :)
[10:36] <cjwatson> (There's also a bug in the rank-25 case in the old query, but easy to fix)
[10:38] <wgrant> Right, it was also potentially useful. The other victims not so much.
[10:38] <wgrant> What does the new query look like?
[10:38] <cjwatson> The official-only thing is fine for guessPublishedSourcePackageName, because that just results in a complaint in the UI if you file against an unofficial thing, but the vocabulary probably has to be looser.
[10:38] <wgrant> SPN/BPN prefix match plus FTI?
[10:39] <wgrant> Oh wow
[10:39] <wgrant> That old query is sort of impressive.
[10:39] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11602694/
[10:39] <wgrant> I forget when it was added, but that's unjustifiably bad if post-2011.
[10:40] <cjwatson> An earlier version of it was https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/dsp-vocab/+merge/65762; I didn't trace its full mutation
[10:41] <cjwatson> I haven't tried my modification with pathological cases like single characters yet.
[10:41] <wgrant> cjwatson: Does DSPC actually buy us anything there?
[10:41] <wgrant> Avoiding it would probably actually be faster.
[10:42] <cjwatson> Really?  I assumed the FTI would massively reduce the search space
[10:42] <wgrant> xPPH.xpn exist now
[10:42] <cjwatson> And avoid having to join through *PPH
[10:42] <cjwatson> Hm, that's true.  I'll give that a try later
[10:42] <wgrant> So you can do a very cheap query for an active publication with the right name in the right place in a fraction of a millisecond.
[10:42] <wgrant> The entire search should take less than 50ms.
[10:43] <wgrant> FTI is silly here when we don't want stemming or anythgin.
[10:43] <wgrant> GIN is slow and not partitioned.
[10:43] <StevenK> Ah yeah, xPPH.xpn got added later, and I think we decided to ignore/remove the DSP vocab
[10:44] <cjwatson> The picker needs to be able to handle the case where the user didn't get the name exactly right thoug.
[10:44] <cjwatson> *though
[10:44] <cjwatson> I don't think exact match only is good enough
[10:44] <wgrant> That's true.
[10:44] <wgrant> But normal English stemming isn't likely to give a good result.
[10:46] <cjwatson> I thought DSPC.fti was handled in a fairly custom way already, but haven't deciphered it in full
[10:47] <cjwatson> Hm, maybe not
[10:48] <cjwatson> Normal English stemming does give a fair bit of junk in this case, but the rank function sorts most of that to the bottom
[10:51] <wgrant> Right, I'm not so concerned about the junk, but whether it actually gives any good results.
[10:51] <cjwatson> It seems to, though I only tried a couple.
[10:51] <cjwatson> linux-image, nvidia-graphics-drivers
[10:52] <wgrant> Ah
[10:53] <wgrant> Because it splits on -
[10:53] <wgrant> So I guess that's not totally invalid.
[10:54] <wgrant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11602762/
[10:54] <wgrant> Must be matching on linux and imag, I guess.
[10:54] <wgrant> I didn't think it'd split on -, so it's more useful than I believed.
[10:55] <wgrant> It's also a lot faster and less dodgy than the substring matching.
[10:55] <wgrant> So probably worth a branch, since it's quick.


[01:31] <DanaG> hmm, I looked into OpenIndiana, and it looks like there's no Deluge for it...
[01:31] <DanaG> SO I may just go with Ubuntu.
[01:38] <jMCg> DanaG: if you're scared to build software yourself, you should stay away from Solaris
[01:38] <DanaG> Not scared to build it; just don't know clearly that it'll compile.
[01:38] <jMCg> DanaG: it's python
[01:38] <jMCg> http://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/deluge/trunk/PKGBUILD
[01:38] <jMCg> This is how it's built
[01:39] <DanaG> ah.  Is there a more relevant channel for OpenIndiana?
[01:39] <DanaG> Because it's off-topic for here.
[01:39] <jMCg> #OpenIndiana I would persume
[01:39] <jMCg> But I'm only into Solaris.. haven't looked at it yet
[01:44] <DanaG> ah, yeah, #openindiana does exist.
[01:44] <DanaG> I've just seen plently of projects that don't have IRC channels like that.
[02:57] <MACscr> I have an ubuntu server runny natty and for some reason, the messages log is no longer being used. Not only is the log not be added to, but it actually doesnt exist. Not sure if one of the other admins deleted it during troubleshooting or what, but i need to get this resolved. Should the rsyslog service be automatically creating that file if it doesnt exist?
[02:59] <MACscr> im seeing the following error in /var/log/syslog when i restart the rsyslog service: rsyslogd-2039: Could no open output pipe '/dev/xconsole' [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2039 ]
[02:59] <MACscr> but that url it linked to is pretty worthless
[03:01] <pmatulis> MACscr: i don't think there *is* a messages nor a daemon.log file in natty
[03:01] <MACscr> oh, really? why would they remove such a basic log?
[03:02] <pmatulis> MACscr: heh
[03:02] <qman__> probably to consolidate or organize
[03:03] <qman__> since previously (currently?) we have messages, syslog, and daemon.log
[03:03] <qman__> which are all pretty generic
[03:03] <MACscr> but messages is pretty universal to linux distros isnt it?
[03:03] <qman__> not any more than syslog or daemon.log
[03:04] <qman__> perhaps more than daemon, but only a little
[03:04] <qman__> they don't really have well defined specific purposes, and overlap
[03:04] <qman__> so I can see why they'd want to consolidate
[03:05] <qman__> of course I'm just speculating here
[03:05] <MACscr> i guess 90% of my experience is with centos, so just always used to looking towards the messages log. I never used the other two
[03:05] <qman__> all my systems run lucid, and I am not/do not know personally the decision maker
[03:06] <MACscr> any ideas on this error though? rsyslogd-2039: Could no open output pipe '/dev/xconsole'
[03:07] <qman__> sorry, haven't seen that one before
[03:07] <qman__> I'd look into what package or system provides /dev/xconsole though
[03:07] <qman__> if that's a stock configuration, anyway
[03:11] <twb> MACscr: that's normally, just turn it off unless you are running X
[03:11] <twb> s/lly/l/
[03:12] <twb> MACscr: on Debian and Ubuntu, looking at /var/log/syslog and /var/log/auth.log will capture everything logged via syslog by default.
[03:13] <twb> MACscr: of course other tools like apache, squid and friends will ignore syslog by default, making centralized logging of them unnecessarily annoying :-/
[03:13] <Pr0zoid> I have an interesting issue.  I'm running a openvpn and for some reason the ubuntu firewalls kick in after a few days of normal operation and prevent users from access external sites.  the strange thing is i have not made any changes to the iptables and in order to enable the users to hit the outside once they are connected i have to run this script : http://pastebin.com/TTqADfsm
[03:16] <twb> Pr0zoid: you should be using an iptables-restore script.   Calling iptables(8) is vulnerable to race conditions.
[03:17] <twb> Pr0zoid: are you using ufw?
[03:31] <Pr0zoid> twb: now your pushing the little knowledge i have..
[03:32] <Pr0zoid> what's the best way to resolve / avoid the race conditions
[03:32] <Pr0zoid> do i need to kill iptables and start fresh?
[03:33] <twb> Pr0zoid: #netfilter for that discussion
[03:34] <twb> Here is an example I prepared earlier: http://cyber.com.au/~twb/doc/iptab
[03:34] <Pr0zoid> okay will take a look
[03:34] <Pr0zoid> thanks for the help!
[03:34] <twb> (Note: #netfilter concerns direct use of netfilter/iptables; for e.g. ufw you need to talk about it here.)
[03:35] <Pr0zoid> yes i was using ufw initially
[03:35] <twb> Is it still enabled?
[03:35] <twb> It wouldn't surprise me if ufw reloads itself when a new network interface is added, e.g. when the openvpn connection falls over and brings itself back up
[03:38] <Pr0zoid> i tjhink so
[03:38] <Pr0zoid> you know what..
[03:38] <Pr0zoid> that could be it..
[03:38] <Pr0zoid> should i just disable it?
[03:39] <twb> If you are manually creating/manipulating the firewall, ufw should not ALSO be on
[03:40] <twb> Obviously if you disable ufw you should ensure you still have appropriate rules to e.g. not allow arbitrary connections.
[03:40] <Pr0zoid> my plan was to re-run my script
[03:41] <Pr0zoid> (but then convert it to a restore)
[03:41] <Pr0zoid> script instead
[03:41] <twb> Assuming ufw is disabled, you should talk to #netfilter about your script
[03:41] <Pr0zoid> k
[04:22] <lei_> Hey, is Dave Walker here?
[04:23] <twb> Who wants to know
[04:25] <lei_> Me, a new comer. I am  fixing the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/690042, and i found that Dave confirmed it, so i want to ask him some question for help~
[04:32] <lifeless> Daviey: ^ :)
[04:33] <lifeless> lei_: he will be asleep at the moment
[04:34] <goddard> i have a multi user enviornment with many shell accounts how can i setup private key files?
[04:38] <blkperl> goddard: use a configuration manager like puppet or chef
[04:41] <goddard> can a pure shell account have its own private key?
[04:44] <blkperl> what are you trying to achieve?
[04:47] <goddard> just more security
[04:48] <goddard> i have a shell account but dont have access to the .ssh directory they tell you to put it in
[04:48] <goddard> just my virtual server directory
[04:50] <blkperl> if you put a public key in .ssh/authorized_keys then you can access the account with the corresponding private key
[04:51] <goddard> even with a jailkit?
[04:51] <blkperl> no clue, depends on the configuration im guessing
[04:53] <goddard> ahh
[04:53] <goddard> sourceforge has it setup like that some how
[04:53] <goddard> wonder how they do it
[05:58] <r4`> so ive been working on/setting up a clonezilla server on ubuntu server 10.04 LTS. when i have a toshiba tecra r840 boot via PXE into the clonezilla enviroment, some weird things happen. essentially, the boot process starts and near the end the clonezilla enviroment starts, then the screen is overwritten with more boot msgs (or goes blank if i set certain kernel boot parameters).
[05:58] <r4`> could this be a video issue?
[05:59] <r4`> it is a new laptop and has a radeon card
[05:59] <twb> That sounds like usplash is doing its thing :-(
[05:59] <twb> Try removing "splash" from boot options?
[05:59] <r4`> its not in there
[05:59] <twb> Also framebuffer is turned on by default, try blacklisting it
[06:00] <r4`> well it might be elsewhere...should i be looking at the boot parameters for ubuntu as well as the PXE kernel image boot parameters?
[06:00] <twb> Wait, clonezilla is a PXE server?
[06:00] <twb> I thought it was a glorified dd
[06:01] <r4`> can be ran as one
[06:01] <r4`> but essentially it is still a glorified dd
[06:02] <r4`> clonezilla SE is a bitter different than live
[06:02] <r4`> s/bitter/bit
[07:02] <twb> Is there a "user story" template on the wiki somewhere?
[07:03] <twb> I want to steal the layout for an in-house document at work.
[07:06] <RoyK> user story?
[08:01] <lei_> Is Daviey here? I need your help!
[08:22] <twb> RoyK: it's this daft XP thing
[08:22] <twb> RoyK: instead of a requirement like "users MUST be able to log in" you say "fred is a user, and he wants to log in, so he tries to and it works"
[09:24] <yann2> hello! am looking for the guy who does hw certification @canonical... anyone knows where I might find him?
[09:33] <twb> http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/contact lists a bunch of contact details, I'm guessing you want "OEM" or possibly "support"
[09:33] <twb> There might also be a #canonical.
[09:33] <twb> I'm just a user, so these are only guesses.
[09:53] <Roxyhart0> hi there, i just update my server from 9.10 to 10.04 and now dovecot doesn work...it is not starting when i do also ini.d/dovecot start. somebody know if there is any changed in the version 10.04 regars to the configuration?
[10:16] <yann2> thanks twb
[10:43] <sodoscar1> Hi there, I'm having trouble pointing to my webserver from my laptop in order to install drupal7 using the install.php script.  can anyone help me with this please?
[10:43] <sodoscar1> sorry i should mention i'm trying to access using firefox
[10:45] <sodoscar1> I should also mention that the #ubuntu support channel directed me here with my query
[10:46] <sodoscar1> quiet bunch in here :-[
[10:47] <EricJ> sodoscar1: I'm not sure I understand the question. You can't reach your web server?
[10:49] <sodoscar1> EricJ: thats right.  I'll try and elaborate for you.  I've installed apache2/mysql/php5 on my server which is part of my home network.  I am trying to install Drupal7 which i've already downloaded and unpacked, I open up firefox and try to point to the file by typing the url : http://<IP_ADDRESS>/drupal/install.php  and I get an error saying "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at <IP_ADDRESS>."
[10:50] <sodoscar1> * file = install.php script
[10:52] <EricJ> sodoscar1: is apache running correctly? If you (from the server) fire up (for example) lynx and point it towards localhost, it should say "It works!" or similar.
[10:52] <EricJ> If it does, then it's almost certainly a port forwarding issue.
[10:53] <sodoscar1> i've never used lynx before would you mind typing the command for me to enter please Eric?
[10:53] <EricJ> sodoscar1: I reckon `lynx localhost` should do it.
[10:53] <EricJ> in case it isn't installed, check `wget localhost`
[10:53] <sodoscar1> just installing it now
[10:54] <sodoscar1> ooh thats interesting.. i get an alert saying unable to connect to localhost
[10:55] <EricJ> sodoscar1: IIRC, apache writes its log files to /var/log/apache2/.
[10:55] <EricJ> Take a look and see if you get anything meaningful from there.
[10:56] <sodoscar1> ok i'll have a quick look now
[10:56] <sodoscar1> sod@theta:~$ sudo tail /var/log/apache2/error.log -f
[10:56] <sodoscar1>

  Directive 'magic_quotes_gpc' is deprecated in PHP 5.3 and greater in Unknown on line 0

[10:56] <sodoscar1>

  Directive 'register_long_arrays' is deprecated in PHP 5.3 and greater in Unknown on line 0

[10:56] <sodoscar1>

  Directive 'magic_quotes_gpc' is deprecated in PHP 5.3 and greater in Unknown on line 0

[10:56] <sodoscar1>

  Directive 'register_long_arrays' is deprecated in PHP 5.3 and greater in Unknown on line 0

[10:56] <sodoscar1>

  Directive 'magic_quotes_gpc' is deprecated in PHP 5.3 and greater in Unknown on line 0

[10:57] <sodoscar1> is that what you meant for me to do Eric?
[10:57] <EricJ> Just seems like a bunch of warnings.
[10:57] <EricJ> However, those are php warnings. Generated by drupal, by any chance?
[10:58] <sodoscar1> well i haven't installed drupal yet as i'm unable to run the install script
[10:58] <EricJ> ah
[10:59] <EricJ> sodoscar1: well, do double-check the apache config file. Something like /etc/apache2/httpd.conf, I think.
[10:59] <sodoscar1> ah this may have something to do with it perhaps:  sod@theta:~$ sudo service apache2 restart
[10:59] <sodoscar1>  * Restarting web server apache2                                                 Syntax error on line 21 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-apps.vhost:
[10:59] <sodoscar1> Wrapper /var/www/php-fcgi-scripts/apps/.php-fcgi-starter cannot be accessed: (2)No such file or directory
[10:59] <EricJ> Oh, nice. :)
[11:00] <sodoscar1> I did have ISPconfig installed many moons ago but I removed it
[11:02] <EricJ> sodoscar1: well, if you do manage to get apache running, you should be well on your way. :)
[11:03] <sodoscar1> i'm going to try reinstalling and reconfiguring and I'll see what happens from there.. perhaps I removed something inadvertently when i removed ISPconfig... thanks for your time Eric! :)
[11:03] <EricJ> sodoscar1: best of luck!
[11:15] <sodoscar1> EricJ: sorted with a remove/clean/reinstall... thanks again for your time my bro
[11:59] <max06|work> good morning. I'm running ubuntu server 10.04 LTS on some machines. On RHEL for example, yum changelog [packagename] returns the changes between the installed and the available version. Is there a similar way on ubuntu?
[12:01] <max06|work> ah... found it... it's aptitude changelog [package], not apt-get changelog [package] -.-
[12:02] <Pici> max06|work: I also use the apt-listchanges package, that will give you the changelogs when you upgrade packages using apt.
[12:02] <max06|work> that sounds good! It might save some time :D
[12:12] <Ursinha> morrrning
[12:13] <max06|work> Pici, execute it with apt-listchanges --apt ?
[12:14] <Pici> max06|work: It should automatically come up when you're running apt-get (dist-)updgrade
[12:15] <max06|work> Mhmm... this should work with apt-get -s (simulate) upgrade, too?
[12:15] <max06|work> I need to check the updates before installing... ah...
[12:15] <airtonix> wow ispconfig? lawl that doesn't install in a standard way, so yeah. drop that and re-install
[12:15] <Pici> I'm not sure :/
[12:16] <max06|work> It appears before or after the "Do you want to continue?"-Question? ^^
[12:17] <max06|work> I'm not able to install the updates on the servers without checking the changelogs.. they are too important, risk is to much
[12:23] <max06|work> Pici, i'm stupid... it works, it asks after displaying the infos for each package
[12:23] <max06|work> thanks :)
[13:39] <cjs> So, I did a do-release-upgrade on my 10.10 server (a virtual host running under KVM) and now when it boots I just get a grub prompt. (It's grub 1.98-ubuntu6.) I don't recall if this was originally a 10.04 system upgraded to 10.10 or if it was an install of 10.10. Any thoughts on where I should go from here?
[13:43] <pmatulis> cjs: re-install grub?  re original install, you can boot into a recovery session and look under /var/log/installer
[13:44] <cjs> pmatulis: So, you're saying boot an 11.04 CD-ROM image and use the recovery tools there to re-install GRUB?
[13:46] <pmatulis> cjs: that may work, yeah.  fyi, you should get a menu with an entry for re-installing grub
[13:49] <cjs> Right; I'll start with that.
[13:49] <cjs> I'm thinking the issue is that 10.04 used Grub 1.98, but 10.10 onwards used Grub 2.
[14:00] <Voziv> AH, I was asking in the wrong channel apparently. Is there a page outlining the difference between server versions? I'm trying to decide on installing 10.04 vs 11.04
[14:02] <patdk-wk> pretty easy there
[14:02] <patdk-wk> install 10.04
[14:02] <patdk-wk> unless you want to upgrade it ever 9 to 12 months
[14:02] <Pici> 10.04 has 5 years of server support, 11.04 has only 18 months.
[14:04] <cjs> 11.04 will have newer stuff, but outside of the kernel, you're often better off building your own versions of server software (e.g., Apache, PHP) if you need to remain close to the cutting edge, rather than depending on your distro to keep up to date with everything you need.
[14:05] <Voziv> Sorry, I should have mentioned I already know about the LTS support, but feature wise I wanted to know if it was worth upgrading
[14:06] <cjs> That's what I do, running 10.04 on most of my servers, though I also have a test server on the most recent release for testing my applications.
[14:06] <Ursinha> Daviey: hello
[14:06] <cjs> Voziv: for what do you use your server?
[14:07] <Voziv> Currently I believe we have 10.10. But I'm going to be creating another and I'm leaning towards 10.04 for LTS
[14:07] <cjs> Is there a URL where I can directly download ubuntu-11.04-server-amd64.iso? That's going to be faster than copying this bittorrented copy off my laptop to my local server via WiFi.
[14:10] <Daviey> Ursinha: Hello!
[14:10] <Daviey> How are you doing this lovely fine day?
[14:10] <Ursinha> Daviey: do you really want to know? :P Ubuflu got me hard
[14:13] <Voziv> cjs: I just reread your your question. The one I'm currently doing is going to be used as a webserver
[14:14] <Daviey> Ursinha: sorry to hear that
[14:15] <Voziv> Is there any specific way I should be building software? I'm personally used to gentoo when it comes to configuring software as portage compiled the software itself
[14:16] <TREllis> Daviey: anything I need to do for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/800543
[14:16] <TREllis> ?
[14:17] <Daviey> TREllis: will look shortly
[14:18] <cjs> Voziv: I'd definitely suggest you go with 10.04 and either stick to running "older" versions of software, or build yourself anything that needs to be a newer version than what's in the 10.04 packages.
[14:18] <TREllis> Daviey: thanks
[14:29] <Voziv> cjs: will do :)
[14:33] <cjs> Do I want to re-install grub to /dev/sda or /dev/sda1?
[14:33] <cjs> I'm guessing the former....
[14:34] <patdk-wk> normally /dev/sda
[14:34] <patdk-wk> unless your doing a dual-boot thing
[14:34] <cjs> Not at all. Thanks.
[14:35] <cjs> Well, let's see if that did the trick.
[14:36] <Daviey> TREllis: debdiff looks flawless
[14:36] <Daviey> uploading now.
[14:36] <cjs> Ah, much better so far! But I note that even 11.04 is still using Grub 1.99. I had thought that Ubuntu started using Grub 2.0 at some point.
[14:37] <Pici> grub 1.98 = grub2
[14:37] <serge_> Daviey: good morning.  have you had any time to recompile your list of grievances over the spice packages for universe?
[14:38] <TREllis> Daviey: wooo
[14:38] <Pici> cjs: grub 0.97 = grub1.  grub 1.99~rc1 = grub2
[14:38] <cjs> Ah!
[14:39] <Daviey> serge_: good point! will get onto that shortly
[14:39] <cjs> I mean, Doh! :-)
[14:39] <Daviey> serge_: How are you doing btw?
[14:41] <Daviey> TREllis: BTW, if you subscribe ubuntu-sponsors, it shows up on the sponsoring queue :)
[14:42] <serge_> Daviey: good, good.  bad day connectivity-wise, may have to head to a coffee shop for today's mtg
[14:43] <jamesiarmes_> I have a customer who notified us this morning that they could not access their we application. When I logged into the server I found considerably more apache processes than usual, but it still should not have been enough to bring down the server. I stopped apahce and found that there were still 114 processes in uninteruptable sleep, some of which started on Sunday. I killed the processes and started apache and they can access their application
[14:43] <jamesiarmes_> but not over SSL (we use GnuTLS). Looking through the logs, I found that I have been getting the following error since about the time many of those processes started: "PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery". I am still getting the error now but I can't determine what it means. Above all of those errores is starts with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/638439/ Everything I found on Google had to deal with LDAP and DBD but we don't use either.
[14:43] <TREllis> Daviey: cool
[14:43] <zul> oh right we have a meeting today
[14:43] <TREllis> Daviey: need to follow the SRU wiki guidelines too I guess?
[14:44] <pmatulis> jamesiarmes_: sounds like a poorly written application.  what is it?  'we application'?
[14:44] <jamesiarmes_> sorry, that was supposed to be "web application"
[14:46] <Daviey> TREllis: I added regression potential, the other aspects i believe are covered.
[14:50] <jamesiarmes_> I found the problem, the gnutls cache file became corrupted somehow. I just can't imagine how'
[14:53] <Daviey> smoser: around?
[14:56] <Daviey> Meeting starting in 4 mins in #ubuntu-server. EOF
[14:56] <pmatulis> nice!  "Fetched 6,620kB in 0s (12.0MB/s)"
[15:00] <Daviey> adam_g, serge_, utlemming, smoser, RoAkSoAx, jamespage, smoser, zul... and others, all set?
[15:01] <jamespage> Daviey: are you not 1 hour ahead of yourself?
[15:02] <Daviey> crikey.. you are correct.  I'm working on UTC today it seems, you are on UTC+1
[15:02] <Daviey> :)
[15:03] <r4`> is there a kernel parameter to stop upon an error in a boot msg? if not anyone know how i could dump all of the boot msgs from a pxe boot to a log file?
[15:04] <r4`> my searches are failing me
[15:04] <zul> Daviey: uh?
[15:04] <Daviey> zul: i suck.. I'm on UTC today, not UTC+1.
[15:04] <zul> Daviey: ah
[15:05] <zul> Daviey: you need a flavor flav clock to keep track
[15:06] <Daviey> i need a coffee i think
[15:07] <cjs> You need to specify your meeting times in UTC.
[15:07] <Daviey> cjs: we do.. but my UTC clock seems to be suffering an off by one error locally.
[15:08] <cjs> Just move the rest of your life to UTC as well and then you'll more easily notice such errors. :-)
[15:10] <zul> cjs: his life is based on utc
[15:12] <ruben23> hi any idea what is the time execution of this script based on its cron schedule ---> 2,5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26,29,32,35,38,41,44,47,50,53,56,59 * * * * /usr/share/astguiclient/AST_CRON_audio_3_ftp.pl --MP3
[15:14] <Utopiah> ruben23: */3 * * * * no?
[15:18] <ruben23> Utopiah:  is this every 2 hours..?
[15:18] <ruben23> can you ready what is the time schedule of this cronjob
[15:19] <Utopiah> I think every 3 minutes
[15:19] <ruben23> Utopiah: so this script runs every 3 minutes right..?
[15:19] <pmatulis> ruben23: looks like it, yes
[15:20] <ruben23> how to make it every 2 days
[15:21] <Ursinha> Daviey: do you recall... a wiki page..... that you said you'd edit on Monday...?
[15:21] <Ursinha> :)
[15:26] <Daviey> Ursinha: yes!
[15:26] <Daviey> ( Ursinha, i said Monday or Tuesday :P
[15:26] <Ursinha> yeah... slacker
[15:26] <Ursinha> :P
[15:26] <Daviey> noted.
[15:27] <Ursinha> Daviey: what time is the irc meeting again? just realized my google calendar didn't change to my timezone when I first opened it, so I wonder if all the meetings are... in the past, maybe
[15:28] <Ursinha> pgraner: hello
[15:29] <Daviey> Ursinha: on the next hour.
[15:29] <Ursinha> Daviey: can you invite me for the current meetings we have? I think it's better than just copy them to my calendar
[15:29] <Ursinha> please? :)
[15:31] <Ursinha> Daviey: soon you'll regret working with me... hahahahaha
[15:31] <Ursinha> hggdh: tarde
[15:31] <Daviey> golly
[15:32] <Daviey> done
[15:32] <Ursinha> thanks!
[15:34] <pgraner> Ursinha, howdy
[15:34] <hggdh> Ursinha: buenas :-)
[15:36] <Utopiah> ruben23: 59 00 * * */2 I guess
[15:39] <ruben23> Utopiah: whats the function of /2  ..?
[15:40] <patdk-wk> run every other day
[15:41] <Daviey> Ursinha: added a first scratch
[15:41] <Ursinha> Daviey: thanks
[15:41] <Ursinha> hggdh: hey, can you add yours here, if you have a few minutes? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quality
[15:41] <Daviey> Ursinha: more to follow
[15:51] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: you don't need to ask permission to send me a PM :)
[16:44] <V7|RTK> hello
[16:44] <V7|RTK> could I make more than 1 virtual host on my local machine?
[16:44] <alamar> you can make as many virtual hosts as you like
[16:45] <patdk-wk> assuming you have enough ram
[16:45] <V7|RTK> but how could I refer to them I my browser?
[16:45] <alamar> ?
[16:45] <alamar> first you should explain the domain we are talking about
[16:45] <patdk-wk> via their name :)
[16:45] <V7|RTK> I have a default, then localhost, what about others?
[16:45] <alamar> apache vhosts? virtualised systems?
[16:46] <alamar> so it's apache..
[16:46] <alamar> apache has a quite thorough documentation about its vhost system
[16:46] <alamar> with a lot of examples
[16:46] <alamar> to just copy and paste and not even care what else is being explained or how it works
[16:47] <alamar> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/vhosts/
[16:47] <alamar> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/vhosts/examples.html
[16:47] <V7|RTK> thank you
[16:47] <alamar> .o(maybe I should use sarcasm tags)
[16:47] <alamar> np
[16:48] <V7|RTK> :)
[16:56] <van7hu> van7hu kaka
[17:24] <van7hu> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_include.html
[17:25] <van7hu> I follow that link to enable SSI, is there any strange thingy with ubuntu?
[17:26] <van7hu> this is my httpd.conf, http://pastebin.com/RHXWvchx
[17:27] <TheEvilPhoenix> van7hu, where are you trying to include stuff within?  PHP?
[17:28] <van7hu> TheEvilPhoenix, sorry, I am n00b, could you explain more?
[17:29] <TheEvilPhoenix> nevermind
[17:29] <TheEvilPhoenix> *checks package lists*
[17:30] <TheEvilPhoenix> did you google for this?  this ubuntuforums thread seems to be about this issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=64345
[17:30] <van7hu> ah, I am sorry, I mis-posted the link, it should be: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/howto/ssi.html
[17:38] <caedmon> does anyone here have experience installing ubuntu server 10.04 on a dell poweredge 2850?
[17:41] <TheEvilPhoenix> caedmon, something you missed from the main ubuntu channel: schnuffle> +caedmon: they changed there raids from something called PERC X to H200/300
[17:41] <TheEvilPhoenix> damn that + before text!  *beats his ZNC*
[17:43] <caedmon> oh i did miss that
[17:45] <Daviey> utlemming: Hey.. would you be able to confirm bug 791850 is still valid on the daily?
[18:11] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: ping
[18:20] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: pong
[18:23] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: heya. theres more drbd8 dkms build failures in the HA bug queue. just wondering if you knew how people end up automatically attemtping to buildi drbd against a kernel that already has it in tree?
[18:27] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: thge error is becuase all of them are trying to install drbd-source on a non-standard kernel
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: so it some cases it seems that some have their custom kernel, in some others looks like a backport
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> backported kernel*
[18:29] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: thats what i figured. so those bugs are invalid?
[18:30] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: yeah for the most part I'd say yes
[18:36] <Daviey> utlemming: are you here?
[19:46] <cap_00> someone remind me why one user has colors and the up arrow repeats commands on the command prompt (from putty.exe) and another doesn't?
[19:47] <pmatulis> cap_00: the shell
[19:48] <pmatulis> cap_00: echo $SHELL
[19:48] <cap_00> hmm.
[19:49] <cap_00> i know i changed the settings somewhere i just don't remember how to get back
[19:49] <cap_00> there..
[20:10] <cap_00> ~/.bashrc ?
[20:19] <RoyK> ~/.$(SHELL)rc
[20:34] <Daviey> utlemming: Are you here?
[20:53] <Aison> hello, i'm search a USER ORIENTED ;)  webfrontend for ldap accounts. A user can login with it's password and can change email address, the password itself, name, etc...
[20:54] <stgraber> Aison: you may want to look at GoSA. It can be configured to do what you describe (you'd need to create an ACL allowing all users to edit their personal details and password)
[20:55] <Aison> ok, that's fine
[21:05] <cap_00> should i be putting something in the (shell) ?
[21:06] <cap_00> gtg
[21:19] <KtL-llll> Whenever I make a file in the /var/www directory I need to edit permissions using chown and chmod before it can be accessible via http is there a way I can automatically set the right permissions to any new files?
[21:39] <willichan> I have been googleing around for a couple of days.  I need to set up XDMCP for some of our Windows users to run applications on the server from their desktops.  They are already set up to do it for our IBM servers, so I don't want to switch to a different method for the Ubuntu server.  Does anyone know where to find instructions for enabling XDMCP on an Ubuntu 11.04 server?  Older instructions don't seem to apply.
[21:40] <patdk-wk> willichan, might want to try #ubuntu, don't use gui's in here
[21:41] <willichan> @patdk-wk:  was recommended in #ubuntu to check in here.
[21:41] <patdk-wk> how odd :)
[21:44] <RoyK> willichan: there's no way to enable XDMCP on ubuntu server - it should work if you just install xterm
[21:44] <RoyK> willichan: it just needs the x11 libs and xauth and configured x11 over ssh
[21:44] <RoyK> that's all
[21:45] <willichan> @RoyK: Thank you
[21:46] <RoyK> willichan: install xeyes - that's my favourite test a pp
[21:47] <RoyK> test app
[21:47] <RoyK> if that grabs all sorts of x11 libs, you'll probably need to log out and in to make x11 work
[21:48] <RoyK> when done, just install xming and configure putty to do x11 forwarding, login, start xeyes
[21:48] <patdk-wk> there is no way to do xdmcp in 11.04 at all?
[21:50] <soren> gdm still supports it, doesn't it?
[21:50] <patdk-wk> gdm did in 9.10 atleast :)
[21:55] <soren> GDM has supported XDMCP for many years.
[21:55] <soren> I remember using it in 2002-ish.
[21:56] <soren> Probably earlier, too.
[21:57] <willichan> @RoyK:  Thank you.  Loading xeyes with dependancies sounds like a simple enough way to set up the x11 libs.  Do you know where I would need to enable the XDMCP though?  X11 libs and GDM don't enable it by default (10.04 and up at least).
[21:58] <willichan> I have tried it on Ubuntu desktop as well as server for versions 10 and 11.
[21:59] <willichan> I have not found XDMCP in any of the config utils.  My IBM servers have it enabled by default.
[21:59] <patdk-wk> heh? just edit /etc/gdm/gdm.schemas
[22:00] <patdk-wk> probably to start, change this to true
[22:00] <patdk-wk>     <schema>
[22:00] <patdk-wk>       <key>xdmcp/Enable</key>
[22:00] <patdk-wk>       <signature>b</signature>
[22:00] <patdk-wk>       <default>false</default>
[22:00] <patdk-wk>     </schema>
[22:00] <patdk-wk> and restart gdm
[22:01] <willichan> @patdk-wk:  Thank you.  I will give that a go.
[22:09] <ezrtyuiop> hello
[22:09] <ezrtyuiop> what is the easiest way to install smtp server ?
[22:22] <qman__> ezrtyuiop, apt-get install postfix
[22:24] <adam_g> zul: ping
[22:33] <ezrtyuiop> this is the error what i got during installation of postfix
[22:33] <ezrtyuiop> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:33] <ezrtyuiop> what to do qman__  ?
[22:34] <qman__> find the actual error, higher up in the list
[22:34] <ezrtyuiop> dpkg : erreur de traitement de cacti-cactid (--configure) :
[22:35] <qman__> that's only part of it
[22:35] <qman__> pastebin the complete output
[22:37] <ezrtyuiop> http://paste.ubuntu.com/638591/ qman__
[22:38] <qman__> I only know english, but from that output, postfix is already installed
[22:38] <qman__> the error is with cacti-cactid, and something in one of the installation scripts failed
[22:39] <qman__> you could try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure cacti-cactid' to see if it fixes itself
[22:40] <qman__> otherwise you'll have to pinpoint why cacti-cactid is failing
[22:40] <ezrtyuiop> if i do dpkg reconfigure
[22:40] <ezrtyuiop> it say cactid broken
[22:41] <ezrtyuiop> what to do exactly to skip that error
[22:42] <ezrtyuiop> i know it is an basic question
[22:42] <ezrtyuiop> don't know what to do ?
[23:27] <nibalizer> so.... puppet 2.7.1 .... anybody got .deb?


[13:01] <luisbg> sakrecoer: yes, just tell me who from IRCC to give it to
[13:02] <knome> luisbg, i think he's referring to the IRCC account
[13:03] <knome> that is, UbuntuIrcCouncil
[13:04] <knome> luisbg, /msg ChanServ access #ubuntustudio-es add UbuntuIrcCouncil OP
[13:04] <knome> luisbg, that shouldd o it
[13:37] <luisbg> ChanServ (ChanServ@services.): Invalid template name given, use /msg ChanServ TEMPLATE #ubuntustudio-es for a list
[13:39] <luisbg> I just did the command without OP at the end and got
[13:39] <luisbg> ChanServ (ChanServ@services.): Flags +Aiortv were set on UbuntuIrcCouncil in #ubuntustudio-es.
[13:39] <luisbg> let me google for those flags
[13:39] <knome> that should do
[13:40] <luisbg> yeah the 'o' is to have access to op/deop
[13:40] <knome> yep
[13:40] <luisbg> which is what they needed
[13:40] <luisbg> cool cool
[13:40] <luisbg> knome: I like your nick, very controversial :P
[13:40] <knome> i was looking at "help access add" :P
[13:40] <knome> even more so because i use xfce...
[13:40] <luisbg> knome: me too, ChanServ's help isn't very clear though
[13:41] <knome> ...but seriously speaking, it has nothing to do with technology :P
[13:41] <luisbg> knome: xnome doesn't have the same ring to it
[13:42] <knome> nope :P
[13:43] <luisbg> sakrecoer: in case you miss the backlog, UbuntuIrcCouncil now has op/deop access in #ubuntustudio-es
[13:45] <knome> luisbg, you probably could also mention it on #ubuntu-irc along with the fact that you want the rewrite and they can likely do it right now :)
[14:33] <luisbg> knome: sakrecoer is in contact with the UbuntuIrcCouncil about this, he will let his point of contact know
[14:34] <knome> well, feel free to do it like that too
[14:34]  * knome is a man of action
[14:34] <knome> well at least as long as it doesn't mean i have to get up away from the keyboard!
[17:28] <krytarik> luisbg: Please do "/msg ChanServ flags #ubuntustudio-es UbuntuIrcCouncil +AFRefiorstv", to give them full founder access.
[19:43] <sakrecoer> hi guys!
[19:44] <sakrecoer> luisbg: feel free to go ahead, i never got any contact point with the council. the method was usggested by
[19:45] <sakrecoer> rww, if i recall correctly
[19:47] <sakrecoer> Rosco2: i am having a bit of a trouble writing the test case for kdenlive, it is super buggy, not much working, transitions are broken,transport buttons are missing...
[19:48] <sakrecoer> Rosco2: but the interface dosen't seem to have changed too much, i'm wrinting one for the version in 14.04, and if we manage to package 15.12 i can rewrite it.
[19:50] <Rosco2> sakrecoer: I was trying to look at syncing the new kdenlive yesterday
[19:50] <sakrecoer> great news :)
[19:50] <Rosco2> But I was having trouble with my setup
[19:50] <Rosco2> Will try again tomorrow
[19:51] <sakrecoer> thank you Rosco2 !! :)
[19:51] <Rosco2> Today I was distracted by cfhowlett
[19:51] <Rosco2> I am just testing an update to the wallpaper package
[19:51] <Rosco2> with some of the competition entries
[19:52] <sakrecoer> if there is anything i can do that would give you more time-space, let me know Rosco2
[19:55] <Rosco2> No problems. SOmetimes takes me time to remember how do do things I haven't done in  awhile
[19:59] <sakrecoer> :) i'm prone to that aswell
[19:59] <sakrecoer> super glad you looking into it however Rosco2 :)
[20:39] <rww> luisbg: m4v is around right now, can you try poking him about the #ubuntu-es thing please?
[21:12] <Rosco2> zequence: played with updating ubuntustudio-defaul-settings today
[21:13] <Rosco2> In connection with the ubuntustudio-look with the new competition wallpapers
[21:13] <Rosco2> There were some unreleased changes in default-settings
[21:13] <Rosco2> Do you think it is safe to upload these changes with the change to the defsult background?
[21:14] <Rosco2> oops - default background
[21:15] <Rosco2> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/trunk/revision/278


[03:26] <ubuntu_novice> i have a toshiba satellite and the top row keys aren't working except for f4 f5 f6. can i fix this?
[03:27] <ubuntu_novice> i need f12 to enter the bios and the fn or fn+alt f12 won't work


[09:42] <mort> So, tracker crashes a lot in 20.10
[09:43] <mort> it probably did before too, but now I notice because PID 1 gets stuck in a busy loop any time it crashes


 btw, @KMyers still hurting, and the person sending the MRI report messed up royally
 they sent someone else's MRI instead of mine
 MAJOR hippa violation
 @Ivoriesablaze, That is a problem, hopefully they did not give yours to another person
 https://github.com/dell
 dell is putting out code from Ubuntu project laptop thing lol
[00:56] <mhall119> ahoneybun: who do you think posted those @ubuntu tweets? :)
[01:00] <ahoneybun> I know lol
[01:01] <ahoneybun> mhall119: Aug-Sept is such a bad time for the Global Jam
[03:21] <mhall119> ideally it would have been late july or early august, but we were late in planning
 N beta was worth it.
 I've been using N beta since v1.
 As a daily driver?
 Yes
 Hardcore. Any fun hangs?
 All the time.
 Not on the latest. But it seems slower.
 While Pokemon go stutters, it doesn't hang like on my GS7.
 Someone Rickrolled the Bitcoin Auction for NSA Exploits | Motherboard … http://motherboard.vice.com/read/someone-rickrolled-the-bitcoin-auction-for-nsa-exploits
 @Abrerr, I have also been using the N Beta as a daily driver on my 6P without issue.
 @AdamOutler, Hm good point, I never did think about passing a function around in Java.
 But I think in those cases you're passing around objects or returning objects, as the OOP analogue?
 *analogy
 @AdamOutler, @KMyers, This has your fingerprints on it...
 @Ivoriesablaze, It does indeed
 @JohnLegere: Hope you’re around in 30 mins… because I’m going to announce #Uncarrier12 https://t.co/UWhpGIkzNI
 Oh snap
 Sweet!!!
 @RazPi, In Reflection you're passing a reference to the Class or Method.  In Lambda expressions you pass code.
 @AdamOutler Oh huh, consider me school'ed. Admittedly my experience with languages like C# and Java are rather limited. Also, I thought lambda expressions were also passed by reference
 Like the state is malloced and referenced under the hood
 Holy Crap... T-Mobile's new plan looks tempting
 @Ivoriesablaze you're not actually passing functions as parameters in your example
 if you call functionA(functionB(foo)) what it does is call functionB(foo) first, then uses it's return value as the parameter to functionA()
 ok, so basically it's not using the function itself as an argument but the result that is being returned
 yup
 ok, cool, it just so happens i can use that syntax, lol
 that said, you actually *can* pass a function as a parameter in python
 def functionA(call_func, param): …     return call_func(param) … def functionB(param):
 bah, messed it up, hang on
 def functionA(call_func, param): …     return call_func(param) … def functionB(param): …     print param; … functionA(functionB, "foo")
 that will print "foo"
 you see this often when sorting, where you can pass a custom comparator function to the sort function
 python gets more and more fun the deeper down the rabbit hole you go :)
 Hey we are paying well for someone who wants a joba as a Sr Embedded Systems Security Engineer.   https://tracfone-wireless.silkroad.com/epostings/index.cfm?fuseaction=app.jobinfo&jobid=1353&source=ONLINE&JobOwner=992275&company_id=16179&version=1&byBusinessUnit=NULL&bycountry=0&bystate=0&byRegion=&bylocation=&keywords=&byCat=&proximityCountry=&postalCode=&radiusDistance=&isKilometers=&tosearch=yes&city=
 Most qualifications must be met.
 This is a security job and we need applications.
 Ask me again in a couple of years when I have my infosec degree, lol
 I can hax Winblows XP
 Anker PowerCore Edge Ultra-High Capacity Portable Charger, Slim Design External Battery Power Bank with Premium Travel Pouch, 20000mAh, 2 USB Ports for Apple iPhone, Samsung Galaxy and More … https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ABGVX58?&_encoding=UTF8&tag=nl_fstr_op_0818-20
 So freaking tempted
 Not super impressed by that one to be honest
 No? Because it's not fast charging? Or no USB c?
[17:54] <ahoneybun> powershell is opensource and on linux now
[17:54] <ahoneybun> https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/powershell-is-open-sourced-and-is-available-on-linux/
 https://www.amazon.com/Qualcomm-Certified-RAVPower-20100mAh-Portable/dp/B019IFIJW8/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1471542877&sr=8-6&keywords=type+c+battery+pack&linkCode=ll1&tag=tcz-20&linkId=3e19b4c286e5fb853bd174091e4db85b
 Yeah, the IT guy at my job was telling me about this. When I use my laptop that has linux on it, I'll check it out,lol
 The other one is also $30 cheaper
 That is the one I have, It has Quick Charge and it can take a charge over MicroUSB (with QuickCharge) or over USB Type C with USB PD
 @KMyers their new One plan looks bad
 I have to agree after pinging T-Mobile for some questions. Tethering would be off the table. Not switching
 our plan is the best
 In some ways but the unlimited tablet plan is not a bad thing
 mm
 Dont worry, not worth switching for that
 yea I like the 14gb of tether
 super helpful
 that Honor 8 Blue looks awesome
 love the color
 Don't waste money on Qualcomm quick charge
 USB power delivery is where things are going
 On a phone with USB 2.0 like the Nexus 6, I disagree however I will agree when you have devices with Type C
 Hey, Qualcomm quick charge is good until last year
 Even ZTE is putting out the USB C devices
 I know, it is great hfor new phones
 well you shouldn't lay down that kind of money for legacy infrastructure
 In the case of that power bank, it is current with the latest MicroUSB and ready for Type c things
 On an unrealted note, I just watched last night's Mr Robot and my brain is officially broken
 https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/53/26/cc/5326cca45a4387c733acb6bf40481233.jpg
 Want
[19:00] <maxolasersquad> @honeybun: ++ Just installed it on my work machine.
[19:00] <meetingology> maxolasersquad: Error: "honeybun:" is not a valid command.
[19:03] <ahoneybun> just ahoneybun will work
[19:09] <maxolasersquad> Typing is hard. :)
 @KMyers https://goo.gl/photos/7fbJ9pzGnzgMvNQt7
 best picture ever
 ...  I'm in such a sushi mood, but I'm stuck at home again this weekend
 opps
 Yeah, I'm being referred to an ortho
 that bad?
 @Ivoriesablaze - Lets see how you feel on saturday. I dont mind making a small road trip but dont want to do anything that can cause it to get worse


[02:58] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: installed 20.04.
[02:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Cool.
[02:58] <OvenWerks> logged in and created second account (joe tester and jane tester)
[03:00] <OvenWerks> sorry called away, will talk later.
[03:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> No worries.
[05:29] <OvenWerks> without starting jack pulse starts and stops loging out and in to both accounts.
[05:30] <OvenWerks> Start jack with autostart and when logging out and into another account the second account has no audio and there are two autojacks running, one for each.
[05:30] <OvenWerks>  :P
[05:30] <OvenWerks> tried removing the & from the autojack command line still the same
[05:31] <OvenWerks> then also removed the redirection and still the same.
[05:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, so that means it's still not killing the process on logout, which means the process isn't being launched upon login by the user account, and therefore is not ending when the user logs out.
[05:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> You can launch something as the user, but the user doesn't necessarily have to be logged-in. Only if the user is logged-in and launches a process does it stay with that session.
[05:33] <OvenWerks> interesting fact. pulse audio has both a systemd user service as well as a file in autostart. But I notice that the way systemd deals with pulse has changed from 18.04 to 2004
[05:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> We need a systemd expert.
[05:35] <OvenWerks> in fact looking at the systemd logging, I see the various targets shutting down between one session and the next. The login screen is it's own session BTW
[05:35] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I think I will have better luck with the new systemd setup than the 1804 version
[05:35] <OvenWerks> it seems to be doing what I think it should.
[05:36] <OvenWerks>  I have to run journalctl sudo to see all of it though.
[05:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> That tells me the new version of -controls won't be backportable (new word).
[05:40] <OvenWerks> yes it will... it will merely have the same problems as with autostart
[05:40] <OvenWerks> it will be good to 18.04
[05:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok.
[05:41] <OvenWerks> I may be able to get it to work on both for that matter as I learn more
[05:41] <OvenWerks> What we have been doing for months is rather than logout and in to a second account,,, just reboot.
[05:43] <OvenWerks> if you are reading the systemd journal, be aware that many of the targets in system have the same name as targets in the user side :P
[05:43] <OvenWerks> they both have Paths, Timers, Sockets, Basic, default, etc.
[05:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, it's a matter of seeing which "user" is running the target.
[05:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> Unrelated, ladish has been marked for autoremoval from Debian Testing on March 5th. RIP
[06:18] <OvenWerks> ladish was something I looked at and never figured out how to use. Plugins have made session managers not as important anymore.
[06:19] <OvenWerks> Interestingly enough, time wise, the first session doesn't really stop until after the next one has already fully started.
[06:42] <OvenWerks> xfce offers the ability to run something in autostart at logout instead of login... but it seems to be non-standard.
[06:43] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I think I will need to download and install vanilla and see what they do.
[06:44] <OvenWerks> I think the way the session is set up is wrong. It doesn't make a call that tells systemd --user to shutdown.
[15:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward: Do we know anyone who is decent at systemd? There's an issue with ubuntustudio-controls that OvenWerks is trying to solve in regards to jack autostart.
[15:55]  * Eickmeyer[m] tags cyphermox , RikMills , RAOF , tsimonq2 , and Wimpress with the same question ^
[15:56] <RikMills> sadly no
[15:57]  * OvenWerks notes that logind.conf -> KillUserProcesses=yes does not really.
[16:35] <OvenWerks> adding an autostart item with a "RunHook=1" will run at logout... but seems to be xfce specific :P
[16:40] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: https://blogs.gnome.org/benzea/2019/10/01/gnome-3-34-is-now-managed-using-systemd/
[16:56] <OvenWerks> loginctl kill-user <user_ID> works.
[16:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> So then, the question is, how do we get loginctl kill-user <user_ID> to run at logout?
[16:57] <OvenWerks> actually loginctl kill-user $USER works too. I am guessing that is a xfce thing
[16:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> loginctl is part of logind which is part of systemd. So no, not just an xfce thing.
[16:58] <OvenWerks> The little logout/restart/shutdown dialog
[16:59] <OvenWerks> what I mean is that the dialog that xfce uses to logout should do so with that command
[16:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Darn, no sign of bluesabre in here.
[16:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> He'd know.
[16:59] <OvenWerks> I am not sure how a logout is supposed to be done
[17:00] <bluesabre> Hey!
[17:01] <OvenWerks> bluesabre: how does xfce deal with the logout button?
[17:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hey bluesabre !
[17:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> I also pinged laney (Ian Lane, mentioned in the article you linked OvenWerks ).
[17:02] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: do you have a vanilla install somewhere?
[17:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> I do.
[17:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> (with ubuntustudio-installer, of course).
[17:04] <OvenWerks> if you do a boot->login->logout->login then in a terminal: journalctl --user -b
[17:04] <bluesabre> I think there’s an command like ‘xfce4-session —log-out’
[17:05] <bluesabre> Not currently near a Linux box to confirm
[17:05] <bluesabre> Oh
[17:05] <OvenWerks> then search for "Stopped target"
[17:06] <bluesabre> xfce4-session-logout
[17:06]  * Laney was summoned
[17:06] <bluesabre> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/xfce4-session-logout.1.html
[17:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Can you explain the situation to Laney ?
[17:07] <bluesabre> Pretty sure that does the heavy lifting
[17:07] <bluesabre> But I'll confirm when I get home
[17:07] <OvenWerks> Laney: we are noticing that systemd --user shows reaching targets but on logout the targets do not seem to get stopped.
[17:07] <OvenWerks> bluesabre: I will try then.
[17:08] <Laney> do you have StopWhenUnneeded=yes?
[17:08] <OvenWerks> Laney: I am wondering if this is true for all DEs or just xfce
[17:08] <OvenWerks> in which file?
[17:09] <Laney> in the the .target unit
[17:09] <Laney> Things are supposed to stop, yeah
[17:10] <OvenWerks> when I use: loginctl kill-user $USER things work.
[17:11] <OvenWerks> but when I use the logout button they dont This is bad because when jack is running and I logout one user and login to another user that new session gets not sound because the sound card is locked.
[17:12] <OvenWerks> Pulse is not so much of a problem because it only uses the device when it needs it.
[17:13] <OvenWerks> Laney: the thing is the .target files are standard (basic, default, etc.)
[17:14] <Laney> which target is staying alive when it shouldn't?
[17:14] <OvenWerks> All of them
[17:16] <Laney> you have some logic in your session manager to end things?
[17:16] <OvenWerks> when I do a journalctl --user -b after login-logout-login I see only Reached target messages, no Stopped target messages
[17:16] <Laney> for instance in gnome we start 'gnome-session-shutdown.target', which has Conflicts= on other .targets, which causes them to quit and so on
[17:17] <OvenWerks> xfce doesn't seem to have anything like that.
[17:17] <OvenWerks> ok so this is an xfce bug then.
[17:18] <Laney> and when the user session (the thing you see in loginctl) is ended, it should signal all remaining processes to quit
[17:18] <OvenWerks> that doesn't seem to happen
[17:19] <Laney> get the system in the state with a lingering process, SSH into it, and look at loginctl session-status THAT_SESSION_ID
[17:21] <OvenWerks> I tried setting KillUserProcesses=yes in logind.conf but no joy there either
[17:21] <Laney> it should be State: closing
[17:23] <OvenWerks> my laptop takes a while to boot :)
[17:38] <Laney> going to be disappearing shortly i'm afraid
[17:39] <OvenWerks> Laney: after reboot login-logout-login and loginctl shows two sessions
[17:39] <OvenWerks> (for the same user
[17:39] <OvenWerks> $ loginctl
[17:39] <OvenWerks> SESSION  UID USER SEAT  TTY
[17:39] <OvenWerks>      c2 1001 jane seat0
[17:39] <OvenWerks>      c4 1001 jane seat0
[17:40]  * OvenWerks is using two users joe and jane for testing...
[17:40] <OvenWerks> c2 shows State: closing
[18:13] <OvenWerks> Laney: setting KillUserProcesses=yes sort of works. It does not work is that user is logged in remotely
[18:16] <OvenWerks> bluesabre: it appears that xfce when it shutsdown needs to ask for the exit.target from systemd and then maybe tell logind to exit. (or maybe just tell logind to exit is enough)
[18:27] <OvenWerks> xfce4-session-logout sends a debus message to org.xfce.SessionManager
[19:38] <OvenWerks> loginctl kill-session $user seems to be the secret sauce that works best
[19:39] <OvenWerks> even with a remote login at the same time, systemd hits the exit.target.
[19:43] <OvenWerks> systemctl --user exit 0  works reall well too
[20:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Cool! Progress!
[20:18] <OvenWerks> dbus-send --session --reply-timeout=2000 --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.systemd1 /org/freedesktop/systemd1 org.freedesktop.systemd1.Manager.Exit  kills things but does not reverse the targets.
[20:22] <OvenWerks> The reason I am looking at dbus sends is because that seems to be the way that a session talks to logind or systemd
[20:25] <OvenWerks> but I don't see a method for go to this target now. There is a set default target method, but I don't know if that would leave it default for next session or even if it would have effect right away.
[20:34] <OvenWerks> So, create a throwaway user to test :)
[20:56] <OvenWerks> Thes set default target method changes the default target until I delete the link :P so no good
[20:57] <OvenWerks> systemctl --user isolate exit.target goes to that target (isolate???)
[21:00] <OvenWerks> and stops all targets in between... but I do not know what dbus message that sends.


[00:12] <penguin42> what's the story on what is allowed to ptrace and what isn't ? Is there some mechanism for debug tools to turn ptrace on for a backtrace or is it always off unless I manually wiggle the sysconf value
[00:14] <yofel> well, there is a mechanism, but apachelogger just filed bug 609597 as it still doesn't work right in KDE :/
[00:14] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 609597 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot PTRACE (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609597
[00:14] <yofel> there is a sysctl value if you want to turn ptrace_scope off in general
[00:15] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh that's the one I noticed actually; but why is it assigned to Linux?
[00:15] <yofel> because the code that checks if ptrace is allowed to access the memory is part of the kernel
[00:16] <yofel> bug 603716 was the last one
[00:16] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 603716 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot PTRACE subthreads due to Yama (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603716
[00:20]  * penguin42 is curious about how it's controlled
[00:24] <penguin42> I cant' see anything in the lkml patch that does anything other than make it switchable in proc
[00:27] <penguin42> oh I guess maybe they could give the programs CAP_SYS_PTRACE
[00:31] <yofel> penguin42: there was https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-June/030939.html
[00:34] <penguin42> thanks
[00:36] <penguin42> yofel: I guess that will lead to some creative poking of debuggers by evil people
[00:47] <MoLE_> Hi guys, I'm looking for some help improving bug 605199
[00:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 605199 in ubuntu "mavererick netbook iso fails at desktop in virtualbox (affects: 1) (heat: 567)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605199
[00:47] <MoLE_> Anyone care to assist?
[00:48]  * penguin42 looks
[00:48]  * MoLE_ thanks penguin42
[00:48] <penguin42> MoLE_: So you don't say what actually happens when it fails - black screen? random junk? Does it still respond to anything?
[00:49] <MoLE_> Ok, I can add that.
[00:49]  * penguin42 wonders what should be done to bug 609089 - I suppose I can see why he wants that, but all the gnome-terminals are a single instance these days by default
[00:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 609089 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "xkill kills all gnome-terminal instances (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609089
[00:50] <penguin42> MoLE_: If you send the guest a ctrl-alt-f1 does it switch to a text console?  What was the last thing you see on the screen before it stops?  Do you get any more/different if you remove the quiet/splash from the boot
[00:51] <MoLE_> penguin42, I can't figure out how to send the guest a ctrl-alt-f1, or I may have had more luck troubleshooting.
[00:51]  * penguin42 tries to remember virutal box
[00:52] <MoLE_> Ok I've updated the bug penguin42
[00:52] <penguin42> MoLE_: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=9615&sid=c79dce75d9b09436397acb59992a316f
[00:52] <MoLE_> penguin42, how can I remove quite / splash from the boot screen?
[00:53] <MoLE_> too easy
[00:53] <MoLE_> thanks
[00:53] <penguin42> MoLE_: I can't remember the CD boot, but I'm fairly sure sometime before it starts the main part of the boot you get the option of editing the kernel parameters
[00:53] <MoLE_> I'll get back later with more info thanks penguin42
[00:53] <penguin42> no problem
[03:13] <MoLE_> kermiac can you help me with bug 605199
[03:13] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 605199 in unity (Ubuntu) "mavererick netbook iso fails at desktop in virtualbox (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605199
[03:22] <enav1> hi people i want to see the ubuntu hardware blacklist pleas... but i dont know where it is
[03:33] <kermiac> sorry MoLE_ I don't have time to go through it with you atm. One thing you might want to try is to see if the livecd produces the same behaviour on that machine to ensure it's not a virtualbox issue
[03:34] <kermiac> MoLE_: I'll subscribe to the bug report & try to have a look at it with you when I have some time to spare
[03:35] <MoLE_> sure
[03:37] <kermiac> MoLE_: ok, please let me know how you go with using the livecd. I've seen some weird things happen in a VM that I have been unable to reproduce when using a physical machine
[05:02] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[10:06] <SwedeMike> my mplayer hasn't worked without "-ao alsa" for at least a month on either of my 10.04 machines. I find http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2010-May/079932.html but no corresponding bug in LP, could someone who has better launchpad search skills please see if there is a bug already, and if not, I'll file one.
[10:07] <SwedeMike> hm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openal-soft/+bug/575368 might be it?
[10:07] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 575368 in openal-soft (Ubuntu) "opening mplayer stops sound (affects: 4) (heat: 52)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:14] <om26er> SwedeMike, mailing list has a solution might work http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2010-May/079933.html
[10:15] <SwedeMike> om26er: yes, workaround are available, but I think this is a typical problem that should be solved "for real"
[10:16] <om26er> SwedeMike, the bug you linked says the problem is fixed with lucid updates. you should report a new bug
[10:17] <SwedeMike> "I can also confirm that the updated package (libopenal1) in lucid-proposed", where does it say this has been pushed out?
[10:17] <SwedeMike> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openal/+bug/351732 says "status:   New -> Fix Committed "
[10:17] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 351732 in openal (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "OpenAL crackling issue (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[10:17] <om26er> SwedeMike, becuase the last comment was 2months ago so It should definately be in lucid updates
[10:18] <SwedeMike> om26er: is there any way to tell? what is the process of a package going from proposed to actually released?
[10:20] <om26er> its should be in updates as there is no lucid-proposed version here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openal-soft
[10:22] <yofel> odd, the changelog says '(LP: #351732, #516435)' but it didn't close the bug
[10:22] <yofel> maybe beacause the package was wrong
[10:23] <SwedeMike> om26er: "2010-05-13 22:13 /usr/lib/libopenal.so.1.12.854" so it does seem like I have the new openal
[10:24] <yofel> SwedeMike: what does 'apt-cache policy libopenal1' says for Installed ?
[10:26] <SwedeMike>   Installed: 1:1.12.854-0ubuntu1~lucid1
[10:27] <yofel> that's right then
[10:28] <yofel> closing the bug
[11:06] <njin> Hello, in iso testing we need this, can someone triage it bug 608382
[11:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 608382 in syslinux (Ubuntu) "Error: Unkown keyword in configuration file (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 34)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608382
[11:32]  * nigelb pokes hggdh re: evolution hook :D
[11:38] <nigelb> micahg: around?
[12:07] <micahg> nigelb: kinds
[12:07] <micahg> *kinda
[12:07] <devildante> hi everyone
[12:07] <nigelb> micahg: hm, hold on, I'll get the bug list
[12:08] <nigelb> need your help with reviewing a few firefox patches
[12:08] <micahg> nigelb: no.....................
[12:08] <micahg> nigelb: later? :)
[12:08] <nigelb> hahaha, ok
[12:08]  * micahg is running on no sleep
[12:08]  * nigelb kicks micahg out of IRC to bed
[12:09] <micahg> nigelb: you can unsub reviewers to bug 585061
[12:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 585061 in firefox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Segfaults in nsUrlClassifierDBService.cpp when homedir is inaccessible (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585061
[12:12] <BlackZ> micahg: is the bug fixed upstream?
[12:13] <micahg> BlackZ: no, but it's being reviewed...the reviewers team can't do anything with Firefox patches for the most part as we generally will not include them in Ubuntu unless upstream approves
[12:13] <BlackZ> micahg: yeah, I seen
[12:14] <BlackZ> unsubscribing, thanks
[12:14] <nigelb> BlackZ: nooo
[12:14] <nigelb> I dealt with it already
[12:14] <BlackZ> nigelb: ok, go ahead :P
[12:15] <nigelb> BlackZ: I mean.  I already did the needful.  Added "patch-forwarded-upstream" tag.
[12:16] <BlackZ> nigelb: I refreshed the page now :)
[12:16] <nigelb> :)
[12:16] <BlackZ> micahg: so no need to unsubscribe the team ;)
[12:17] <micahg> BlackZ: that's up to you guys
[12:18] <BlackZ> micahg: thanks for the notice
[12:20] <nigelb> ok, so 1469 more to go
[12:20] <nigelb> 34 down
[12:20] <BlackZ> nigelb: cool
[12:20] <nigelb> I guess I'll take a break for today and clear up another 20 or so tomorrow
[12:21] <BlackZ> nigelb: great :)
[12:28] <micahg> nigelb: better idea, email me the list at your convenience and I'll take a look
[13:02] <nigelb> micahg: ok!
[13:02] <nigelb> damn! you're good! You've got better concentration running on fumes than me on all cylinders
[13:02] <nigelb> I saw the epiphany bug and didn't think of the package being wrong ;)
[13:03] <micahg> nigelb: I saw it in my email and it said the upstream project was a boulderdash clone
[14:07] <gorilla> Hi Guy, I have installed Maverick Alpha 2 and have found that the Arduino package adds an entry to both Electronics and Programming menu, could that be a bug?
[14:09] <yofel> no, applications can be in more than one menu category
[14:09] <penguin42> hmm, in a way it makes sense you know
[14:10] <gorilla> yofel: okay, thanks.
[15:16] <nigelb> crimsun_: suggestion for the volume bug? patch-needswork?
[17:14] <njin> we have a bug from mark ? bug 609787 he's a triger too ??
[17:14] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 609787 in unity "Ubuntu button edge should be grooved not shadowed (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609787
[17:14] <njin> *triager
[17:16] <JoeMaverickSett> sometimes an application crashes and apport tries to collect information about the crash, but then it says this *** application is not a genuine package, what should i do then to report the bug?
[17:31] <njin> micahg: around ?
[17:33] <yofel> JoeMaverickSett: the package has to be from the official ubuntu archive if you want to report a crash, we don't support 3rd party or ppa packages
[17:33] <njin> yofel. can you help me ?
[17:34] <yofel> about?
[17:34] <JoeMaverickSett> yofel, so if i keep updating certain packages from ppa(s), does that mean that i would not be able to report?
[17:35] <njin> yofel: in Places-computer i've the icon of floppy0, but my system haven't any floppy, at wich package assign the bug ?
[17:35] <JoeMaverickSett> yofel, the updates should come from ubuntu update itself?
[17:36] <yofel> JoeMaverickSett: we only support the application version in the ubuntu archive, if you're using an updated version then you can't report a crash with apport, since we don't support that
[17:36] <yofel> you can certainly use apport-unpack or apport-retrace and send the crash report manually do the developers or the ppa owner
[17:36] <yofel> s/do/to/
[17:37] <JoeMaverickSett> yofel, oh! got it. thanks
[17:38] <yofel> njin: as I don't have a floppy entry here in kde, perhaps nautilus? (I don't have a /media/floppy entry here too so maybe that needs to be removed, then it would be something else)
[17:40] <njin> yofel: ok, i open a bug against nautilus then. Thanks
[17:44] <charlie-tca> njin: Mark is not a triager, but he does report bugs at times and we triage them
[17:46] <njin> charlie-tca: he has an excellent view !
[17:46] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:47] <charlie-tca> and he will even answer if you need more information for it
[17:47] <njin> Bill never do these !  W Mark
[17:53] <JoeMaverickSett> i have a case where my laptop hibernate do not work because i did not install the proprietary graphic driver, everytime it will boot up with screen glitches, so i have to restart the kernel, in that case how do i see the results at the time of error?
[17:54] <JoeMaverickSett> after restarting kernel and rebooting the laptop
[18:22] <penguin42> JoeMaverickSett: There is normally a /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old from the previous start of X
[18:23] <penguin42> JoeMaverickSett: Also I think /var/log/dmesg.0 and boot.0 or possibly just at the top of the current files I think depending on timing
[18:23] <JoeMaverickSett> penguin42, if i can get info from there i can file it as a bug?
[18:23] <penguin42> JoeMaverickSett: You can file it as a bug with or without that info, but with would be useful
[18:23] <penguin42> I'm fairly sure ther e is a page on diganosing hibernate issues
[18:24] <JoeMaverickSett> penguin42, it seems that it would be informative if i can show that, right?
[18:24] <JoeMaverickSett> penguin42, and one thing is that apport won't even know that issue happened.
[18:24] <penguin42> JoeMaverickSett: is this Radeon or Nvidia?
[18:24] <JoeMaverickSett> penguin42, Radeon
[18:25] <JoeMaverickSett> penguin42, it seems sort of rare a thing like mine happens.
[18:25] <penguin42> OK, well I guess it's one of linux or xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[18:26] <penguin42> no; hibernate problems are common
[18:26] <JoeMaverickSett> penguin42, i mean like screen glitches and all on reboot from hibernation.
[18:26] <JoeMaverickSett> penguin42, i might also be wrong.
[18:27] <penguin42> no, I don't think it's that unusual - the graphics drivers interoperate with the bios and the boot sequence in a very complex way and often the bioses and graphics drivers and kernel all interact in a broken way
[18:28] <JoeMaverickSett> penguin42, and i'm not really sure it should be called a screen glitch, it sort of like all colours are jumbled up.
[18:28] <penguin42> JoeMaverickSett: Have you got a camera? Attaching a picture might be reasoanble
[18:29] <JoeMaverickSett> penguin42, yup, i'm thinking of doing it.
[18:29] <JoeMaverickSett> penguin42, after i've taken the pic and all. might come back here and take help from you guys to file a bug if necessary.
[18:30] <JoeMaverickSett> penguin42, might be of use to the community
[18:30] <penguin42> JoeMaverickSett: Even better, you might get your bug fixed!
[18:31] <JoeMaverickSett> penguin42, yup. hoping it does. coz i think ubuntu works better with the open source graphic driver
[18:32] <JoeMaverickSett> penguin42, even now switching from application with key bindings are a bit laggy with the proprietary driver, that's what i feel
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Will apport-collect -p add a new source to an existing report?
[18:54] <charlie-tca> bug 607478
[18:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 607478 in apport (Ubuntu) "Apport-collect didnt add to bug also affects project (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607478
[18:56] <yofel> currently it won't, not sure if that would be useful or not
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[19:07] <yofel> charlie-tca: why brainstorm? o.O
[19:12] <vish> hehe , i tried unity and noting seems to launch in my system ;p
[19:13] <vish> finally got a terminal open but could not type anything!
[19:13] <vish> for some reason keys got mapped to something else ;)
[19:14] <vish> and ended up copy-pasting letters from the about box to execute commands :D
[19:28] <vish> boy tough crowd tonite! ;p
[19:43] <charlie-tca> yofel: because it may be a useful suggestion. We can gather some opinions on it there
[19:44] <yofel> yes, but the wiki page says too
[19:44] <yofel> Note: If it is a request to add a feature to a specific program it should be forwarded to the upstream developers instead.
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu is upstream for it, isn't it?
[19:44] <yofel> that's a feature request for apport-collect, not a general idea to improve ubuntu
[19:44] <charlie-tca> and, it is not a request to add it, it is a report about it being broken
[19:45] <charlie-tca> It is not broken, it simply is not there
[19:48] <penguin42> it would be nice to have stuff like that and reminders on the launchpad bug pages to tell people what to do
[19:48] <yofel> sure, but that would be a usability bug in that case
[19:48] <penguin42> a usability bug for a missing feature?
[19:49] <yofel> penguin42: well, the reporter thought that -p will add a task for the package, but it doesn't -> usability bug, considering that it never did that I would say it's wishlist, but it's still a but IMO
[19:49] <yofel> *still a bug
[19:50] <penguin42> yeh
[19:52] <yofel> and IMHO brainstorm should only be used for large changes where a lot of users will be affected and discussion is neccessary, here we're only talking about a small feature of apport that not many people know about
[19:53] <charlie-tca> You are welcome to change it, then
[19:54] <penguin42> is it just something which world need changing in apport or would it need a corresponding change in launchpad?
[19:55] <yofel> penguin42: afaik you can already add new tasks by launchpadlib, would have to look check if that's really the case though
[19:56] <penguin42> ok, my point is if it would require a change to both then it would require various people to agree, so brainstorm etc is probably useful; but if it's just something that would need changing in apport to clal an existing interface maybe just the bug would do
[19:59] <yofel> yep, there is a addTask(...) function
[20:06]  * penguin42 disappears
[20:30] <grold> hi all, how to show that bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/youtube-dl/+bug/609545 also affect Lucid Ubuntu release?
[20:30] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 609545 in youtube-dl (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Fails to download videos (affects: 3) (heat: 20)" [Unknown,Unknown]
[20:33] <charlie-tca> grold: it shows it already fixed in Ubuntu Lucid.
[20:33] <charlie-tca> The bug was originally reported against lucid in ubuntu.
[20:33] <grold> no - it fexed in ubuntu development (maverick) release
[20:34] <charlie-tca> Ooops, I see that now. We can add a lucid task by clicking on nominate for release. Then a SRU will need to be done to have the change put into lucid
[20:35] <grold> i dit this (nominate for lucid) and that's all?
[20:36] <charlie-tca> yes, but without a SRU it won't happen
[20:36] <grold> but now this bug looks like it fixed
[20:37] <charlie-tca> in lucid?
[20:37] <grold> it don't showed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/youtube-dl/ and
[20:37] <grold> neither https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/youtube-dl/
[20:39] <grold> for example https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/libx11/+bug/507062 - in the header of the bug - it's showed that  bug affects Lucid
[20:40] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 507062 in libx11 (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed. (affects: 313) (dups: 181) (heat: 1727)" [High,Triaged]
[20:40] <grold> how to make the same with my bug?
[20:45] <vish> !sru
[20:45] <ubot2`> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[20:45] <vish> grold: ^
[20:46] <grold> ok
[20:46] <grold> i nominated the bug for lucid
[20:46] <grold> and subscribed untuntu-sru
[20:46] <grold> what i dit wrong?
[20:47] <vish> grold: which bug are you talking about? just checked one bug now , and it has a lucid task already open
[20:47] <grold> this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/youtube-dl/+bug/609545
[20:47] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 609545 in youtube-dl (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Fails to download videos (affects: 3) (heat: 20)" [Unknown,Fix released]
[20:49] <vish> grold: oh , you are triaging .. or are you interested in the fix yourself?
[20:49] <vish> not that it matters just curious ;)
[20:50] <vish> grold: btw , user mentions 9.04 , not lucid..
[20:50] <grold> now i want to know how to label this bug for lucid
[20:51] <grold> i think he means 10.04
[20:51] <vish> probably..
[20:51] <grold> he means it in initial messages
[20:51] <grold> i checkes in 10.04 - and may approve the bug
[20:53] <vish> grold: i'm not familar with that package , but you can cherrypick the patch and do the needful as mentioned in the wiki
[20:54] <vish> grold: update the bug description , add a debdiff ..
[20:55] <grold> vish: ok
[20:56] <grold> but i still have a question
[20:56] <micahg> grold: BTW, one shouldn't subscribe ubuntu-sru anymore, that would be done by whoever uploads the debdiff
[20:57] <micahg> grold: one would attach a debdiff and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[20:57] <grold> how to show in launshpad bug header that it affects Lucid (like it made for expamle in this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/libx11/+bug/507062 )
[20:57] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 507062 in libx11 (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed. (affects: 313) (dups: 181) (heat: 1727)" [High,Triaged]
[20:57] <micahg> grold: only a MOTU or core-dev can do that
[20:58] <devildante> micahg: or ubuntu-bugcontrol (?)
[20:58] <micahg> devildante: no
[20:59] <grold> thanks
[20:59] <vish> devildante: why bug control ?
[21:00] <vish> they have no control over that ;)
[21:00] <devildante> vish: micahg: okay, many thx
[21:01] <vish> grold: that happens only when they approve the nomination , those not in the core-dev can only nominate
[21:02] <grold> but now the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/youtube-dl/+bug/609545 looks like it fixed in ubuntu (and in debian) and not showing anywhere -> will lose?
[21:02] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 609545 in youtube-dl (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Fails to download videos (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [Unknown,Fix released]
[21:02] <micahg> vish: MOTU can accept universe :)
[21:02] <vish> and MOTU ofcourse ,..
[21:02]  * vish was just being lazy :)
[21:02] <vish> hehe , i knew micahg would correct that! , should have just typed it :)
[21:02] <micahg> grold: no, the nomination will be addressed eventually, a debdiff would speed things along as you can subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[21:03] <micahg> vish: I didn't know MOTU could until a few days ago :)
[21:04] <vish> ah yeah , i noticed that a couple of weeks ago too
[21:04] <crimsun_> nigelb: which volume bug?
[21:05] <vish> grold: fixed usually means fixed in the dev release , so in theory the bug should not exist in a released version and we should have no bugs in releases :)
[21:05] <vish> grold: and if we have a bug in the released version , we nominate the fix for a release ;)
[21:06] <vish> hope that was confusing enough :D
[21:07] <grold> :)
[21:07] <grold> thanks all
[21:08] <chilicuil> hi, I'm just starting to triage, I'd like to help with some easy ones, how can I search for the bugs who dont have a package assigned in lp yet?
[21:09] <vish> chilicuil: http://tiny.cc/s36xt
[21:12] <chilicuil> vish: thx :)
[21:12] <vish> np..
[21:20] <micahg> vish: I think you should show both URLs on the wiki
[21:21] <vish> micahg: i havent removed it , i just hid the long one?  why two of the same?
[21:22] <micahg> vish: people might want to craft their own URLs
[21:22] <vish> hmm , well they can when the open the link too :)
[21:52] <chilicuil> should I assign 'alsa-base' or 'linux' to the bug 609558?
[21:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 609558 in ubuntu "Can't get PC speaker to sound the system beep (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609558
[21:53] <chilicuil> it looks to me, like it's an alsa-base related bug since he's unblacklisting 1 module
[21:57]  * crimsun_ perks up
[21:58]  * BUGabundo blinks
[21:58] <BUGabundo> crimsun_: you are back!!!
[22:01] <crimsun_> chilicuil: so, a bit of background on why that package doesn't (and shouldn't) have a package assigned: in lucid, there are two packages affecting that symptom _in addition to the specific hardware_: alsa-base and linux-image-2.6.32-foo. One simply can't triage it to affect both source packages (alsa-driver and linux, respectively), because ultimately it's a _hardware_ issue.
[22:02] <crimsun_> chilicuil: the good news is that, well, you _can_ triage it to affect linux in ubuntu _maverick_, because we've already fixed it there.c
[22:03] <chilicuil> crimsun_: ok, I got it, I'm gonna remove the package (I've already assigned to alsa-driver, lol), then if it's fixed can I just marked as "fixed released"?
[22:05] <crimsun_> you can just reassign it to the linux source package, mark it fix released, and add a comment referencing bug 582350
[22:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 582350 in linux (Ubuntu) "Please change CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP_MODE to 0 (affects: 1) (heat: 56)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/582350
[22:05] <crimsun_> the kernel configuration parameter CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP_MODE now acts on the hda beep driver that actually properly handles pc speaker as well in 2.6.35
[22:06] <chilicuil> ok, I'll do that, thx for the extra information crimsun_ =)
[22:06] <crimsun_> yw
[23:39] <crimsun_> double you tee eff. 3D enhancement   : Analog Devices Phat Stereo


[01:00] <ubotu> n2diy called the ops in #ubuntu
[01:01] <nalioth> Seveas: don't tease me please, i'm squashing trolls
[03:24] <Seveas> nalioth, still aeound?
[03:25] <Seveas> s/e/r/
[03:28] <nalioth> Seveas: pong
[03:28] <Seveas> nalioth, could you please /cs set #ubuntu-cl contact seveas
[03:28] <nalioth> ok
[03:29] <nalioth> feliz navidad, Seveas
[03:30] <Seveas> merry christmas? Bit out of season :)
[03:31] <poningru> indeed
[03:45] <elkbuntu> you cant even get away with 'christmas in july' yet nalioth
[03:45] <elkbuntu> (the southern hemisphere stupidity of faking christmas in july for the sake of a white/cold christmas)
[04:11] <ubotu> crdlb called the ops in #ubuntu-effects
[04:11] <ubotu> KEEV called the ops in #ubuntu-effects
[05:54] <nzk> Is it can be unban time now please?
[05:54] <nzk> Is there a dedicated USE channel?
[06:01] <nalioth> USE channel?
[06:13] <Pumpernickel> Ubuntu Silent Edition: permanent /mode +m
[06:14] <Madpilot> Pumpernickel, tempting, sometimes :)
[06:57] <Madpilot> ahh! What'd I do to deserve *that*?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: being corey's brother.  duh
[06:59] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: and being here
[06:59] <Madpilot> The first is not my fault, and the second is hardly unusual
[07:00] <Madpilot> Besides, aren't 'thrown mneptoks' banned under various international treaties?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> not really
[07:01] <Pumpernickel> Was it an intercontinental ballistic mneptok?  Did it cross any international boundaries?
[07:03] <Madpilot> it must have. I'm in Canada and she's a mad Aussie.
[07:04] <Madpilot> well, except that the mneptok's current habitat is thought to be Montreal. So things are rather confused.
[07:04] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:27] <gouki> 'morning
[08:38] <Hobbsee> hiya
[08:58] <Madpilot> metaphysical question: is it really trolling if the critter you're trying to provoke is itself a troll?
[09:01] <nalioth> Madpilot: be careful or you'll disappear into your question announcer
[09:16] <sgrove> can someone please clear my router?
[09:16] <sgrove> it's very bothersome to not be able to access the freaking #ubuntu room
[09:17] <Myrtti> he was patient
[09:17] <Hobbsee> the router is still effected, therefore, no.
[09:17] <Myrtti> oh
[09:17] <Hobbsee> no, i ran the exploit on him
[09:17] <Myrtti> :-D
[09:18] <sgrove> I guess maybe that's a sign my computer is not cleared?
[09:19] <nalioth> sgrove: might be a clue :P
[09:19] <Hobbsee> correct
[09:19] <Hobbsee> !exploit
[09:19] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[09:20] <sgrove> hmm, I'm running chatzilla, I don't know if I'll be able to change the port..
[09:22] <elkbuntu> any irc client that cant change the port is not worth running
[09:23] <sgrove> well, it's just an add-in for firefox that I happened to like...I could run x-chat but the text is kind of hard to read
[09:23] <nalioth> sgrove: the text in xchat can be made larger or the font can be changed
[09:24] <Myrtti> OR both!
[09:24] <Myrtti> ;-)
[09:24] <sgrove> yeah, I'll switch over, get myself used to it then
[09:24] <sgrove> awell, the days of simple irc have already passed me by, I suppose ~
[09:24] <Myrtti> it's the addiction
[09:24] <Myrtti> :-)
[09:25] <Myrtti> light stuff doesn't kick in anymore, so you're forced to move to heavier stuff :-D
[09:25] <Myrtti> "Hello, my name is Miia and I've been an IRC addict for 11 years"
[09:26] <sgrove> haha
[09:27] <sgrove> I remember when I was a bit younger around8th grade or so, using AIM and AOL, thinking that IRC was the "old chat", and it would go away in a few weeks or so
[09:27] <sgrove> just as soon as everyone tried AOL, hehe
[09:28] <Myrtti> -->
[09:29] <sgrove_> ok, on gnome-xchat, connecting to port 8001, shall we try again?
[09:33] <sgrove_> please check my computer for this exploit
[09:33] <sgrove_> !exploit
[09:33] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[09:33] <Hobbsee> that one's fine
[09:34] <Hobbsee> i guess if you choose to connect back with chatzilla, and cant change the port, tehn it's your problem getting thrown off the network
[09:35] <sgrove_> yeah, I'm not too worried about it
 ubotu: Thank you, with your encouragement earlieri this morning, finally i lay my hand on Kubuntu for the first time in my life. :D, thank u very much.
[04:48] <elkbuntu> awww... how sweet
[04:52] <thoreauputic> I hope no-one burst his bubble :)
[05:04] <elkbuntu> nope
[05:05] <nalioth> thoreauputic: you are ALIVE!
[05:05] <thoreauputic> nalioth: barrely, but yes
[05:05] <elkbuntu> someone tried to burst it, but i dont think it sunk in
[05:06] <poningru> so question why was the disk utility taken out?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: not everyone knows about bots - and yeah, the thank you was touching
[05:07] <nalioth> disk utility?
[05:07] <poningru> nalioth: remember that disk utility app that was in dapper
[05:07] <poningru> I think
[05:07] <poningru> taken out in edgy and feisty
[05:08] <thoreauputic> poningru: the trend is clear - by next year Ubuntu will fit on a floppy and require the user to configure everything from a root prompt ;)
[05:08] <poningru> lol
[05:09] <poningru> \o/ we are gentoo
[05:09] <thoreauputic> nah, lfs ftw !
[05:09] <nalioth> lfs  :)
[05:10] <ubotu> BluesKaj called the ops in #kubuntu
[05:10] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, and code their own kernel or be stuck with a 2.4 kernel or prior
[05:11] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: kernel? You will program your machine with patch cables!
[05:11] <poningru> bwhahahahahhahah
[05:11] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, cables? who needs cables when we have PUNCH CARDS
[05:12] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: all you need is an abacus
[05:12] <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, ooh, now you're getting technical
[05:12] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: networking is done using the Voice Over Atmosphere protocol
[05:13] <poningru> bwhhahahahahahha
[05:14] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: although the Yoghurt Cups and String protocol is moving forward, it is still beta
[05:14] <thoreauputic> !language| poningru
[05:14] <ubotu> poningru: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:14] <nalioth> abacus? sybarites! a pile of rocks is all you need
[05:14] <poningru> what?
[05:14] <thoreauputic> nalioth: you need to hit them together though
[05:15] <thoreauputic> poningru: your binary translates to an unspeakable insult in an obscure Mongolian dialect
[05:15] <elkbuntu> rofl
[05:15] <poningru> I...see
[08:26] <Tm_T> WHEEEE!
[11:23] <Tm_T> WHEEEE
[11:23] <Tm_T> !EEEEHW
[11:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eeeehw - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <PriceChild> I don't think anyone shares your enthusiasm Tm_T...
[11:25] <Tm_T> WHEEEEE!
[11:25] <Tm_T> (: :)
[11:25] <Tm_T> )(
[11:34] <Tm_T> PriceChild: W-H-E-E-E-!
[11:43] <Vorian> I'm with you Tm_T!
[11:43] <Vorian> YEEEEEE HAAAAAAAA!
[11:43] <Tm_T> WOOHOOOO!
[11:43] <Tm_T> ok, you can calm down no
[11:43] <Tm_T> w
[11:49] <Tm_T> !botsnack
[11:49] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[11:49] <Tm_T> haha
[11:49] <Tm_T> botsnack always brings some life to ubotu


[00:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Um, ignore that.
[00:50] <SonikkuAmerica> ^ This. krytarik 's suggestion to my edit of !live from yesterday.
[00:50] <krytarik> "Edit."
[00:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Sorry. I forgot I needed to log into the bot :P
[00:51] <SonikkuAmerica> factoid should not only work but have the correct syntax.
[00:51] <krytarik> :D
[00:52] <SonikkuAmerica> So, all that needless trashy-trashy aside, let it be known for the record that I ought to be reminded to log into ubottu before I do anything :P
[00:54] <krytarik> Now, just do it! :P
[00:55] <SonikkuAmerica> I did, within a query
[00:55] <SonikkuAmerica> !live | see, krytarik ? :)
[00:56] <krytarik> \o/
[00:56] <SonikkuAmerica> Dat :): doe... do we have a variant of the classic "smile/frown" masques?
[00:58] <elky> unless you actually try make a mess, you can't really get the factoids in a worse state than they're in
[00:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Perhaps the Ubuntu IRC team should start from scratch with the factoids
[01:01] <elky> the factoids are fairly extensive though, there's 10 years of them built up


[09:39] <knightwise> heya peepz
[12:25] <zxmpi_> o/
[12:42] <knightwise> heyhey
[12:52] <zxmpi_> all well?
[13:08] <popey> word
[13:23] <knightwise> hey popey
[13:23] <knightwise> you have been on my mind lately
[13:23] <knightwise> using your snap package for ncspot is a dream come true
[19:53] <davef> I could never get the hang of Thursdays
[21:11] <Nokaji> you have to take a run at them ... it's all in the timing
[22:20] <zxmpi_> someone should put that in a book. it would sell millions :-)