[00:22] <mathomastech> Hey tonyyarusso, whereabouts in Minnesota are you at?
[21:25] <tonyyarusso> mathomastech: Shoreview (suburb of St. Paul)


[05:19] <ritz> Hi, how does one create a minimal repo
[05:19] <ritz> such as one seen in https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-greeter-team/unity-greeter/daily-recipe/files
[05:21] <StevenK> mkdir foo; cd foo ; bzr init ; bzr push lp:...
[05:21] <ritz> StevenK, cool, thanks
[05:30] <vibhavp> How Do I register a distro on Launchpad?
[05:31] <poolie> vibhavp, can you tell me why you want to?
[05:31] <vibhavp> poolie: Our Team is working on a Localized Hindi CD image
[05:31] <vibhavp> (Ubuntu)
[05:32] <poolie> awesome
[05:32] <vibhavp> I just started to think about it
[05:32] <poolie> i wonder if you can actually do it or if you need to ask an admin
[05:32] <vibhavp> which admin?
[05:33] <poolie> answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[05:33] <vibhavp> thanks
[05:33] <vibhavp> Will email the list about the Idea
[05:33] <vibhavp> poolie: What should I ask??
[05:34] <poolie> just explain about your project and that you want to track bugs on lp
[05:35] <vibhavp> thanks
[05:35] <poolie> if you're just thinking about doing it
[05:35] <poolie> it might be a bit premature to add it to the list of distros on lp
[05:35] <freijon> Hey there. I imported my code from a git repository. The initial import worked fine. Also, launchpad tells me every 5 hours, that the import was successful, however nothing gets updated. what exactly is getting imported from git? Is there a way to keep the code synced?
[05:35] <vibhavp> poolie: Or should I just add it as a normal project?
[05:36] <poolie> no a distro is better, but perhaps only add it once you've done the first release or something
[05:36] <poolie> o/ jml
[05:49] <freijon> does nobody import code from external repositories?
[05:51] <wgrant> http://code.launchpad.net/+code-imports <- nobody at all :)
[05:51] <wgrant> freijon: ^^
[05:53] <freijon> it was more like a rhetorical question ^^
[05:57] <freijon> wgrant: did you experience what I mentioned above?
[05:57] <wgrant> freijon: Oh, sorry, missed the question entirely.
[05:57] <wgrant> freijon: Can you link to the import?
[05:57] <wgrant> freijon: That's not meant to happen.
[06:01] <wgrant> freijon: Ah, you just deleted and recreated them?
[06:03] <freijon> wgrant: yep, I noticed that used a different url than all the others. Maybe that was the reason.
[06:03] <freijon> I used https:// instead of git://
[06:04] <wgrant> Either should work.
[06:07] <wgrant> freijon: btw, you can change your username from the default (derived from your email address) at https://launchpad.net/~/+edit.
[06:07] <wgrant> And that import is done.
[06:10] <freijon> I don't get it.  The HEAD branch will be imported."
[06:15] <wgrant> freijon: Ah
[06:16] <wgrant> freijon: So, git repos have a file .git/HEAD
[06:16] <wgrant> freijon: Which points at a branch that is the active head.
[06:16] <wgrant> That's what Launchpad means.
[06:16] <wgrant> And in your repo it points at master.
[06:17] <freijon> I guess the problem sits in front of the screen then ^^ thanks
[06:17] <wgrant> (in git terminology, don't confuse HEAD and head. they're rather different :))
[07:16] <Ge0rG> hi. Is one of the translations team available to 'review' my project's translation import queue? I've changed some strings manually and need a re-import of all the .po files in https://translations.launchpad.net/yaxim/master/+imports :)
[07:16] <Ge0rG> unfortunately, the web interface does not allow the project maintainer to upload without review, and I don't have the .po files in SCM :(
[08:49] <ritz> hi, How do I identify the bzr branch name ? required for building in lp when using merge ?
[08:50] <ritz> # bzr-builder format 0.3 deb-version 0.2.6-0ubuntu1.lp949782.1
[08:50] <ritz> lp:~khadgaray/+junk/unity-greeter.lp949782
[08:50] <ritz> merge . lp:ubuntu/unity-greeter
[08:50] <ritz> the "." here has to be the branch name
[08:50] <wgrant> ritz: It just has to be unique within the recipe.
[08:51] <wgrant> ritz: It can be whatever you want. It's used mostly for eg. including {revno:FOOBRANCH} in the deb-version template.
[08:53] <Ge0rG> is anyone available to approve my translation imports in https://translations.launchpad.net/yaxim/master/+imports ? :D
[08:53] <ritz> sweet
[08:54] <ritz> wgrant, thanks. I thought, this was to be a branch name. Coming from a git based world, I was confused
[08:54] <ritz> wgrant++
[08:58] <ritz> interesting, using lp:ubuntu/oneiric/unity-greeter in recipes changes to lp:ubuntu/unity-greeter
[08:59] <ritz> If I understand this correctly, once precise is released ubuntu/unity-greeter will point to 12.10 release code ?
[09:02] <ritz> hmmm, "You have exceeded today's quota for ubuntu precise"
[13:21] <notify> any way of changing the summary in a launchpad bug without using the email interface ?
[13:22] <tsimpson> notify: click the pencil icon on the right of "Bug Description"
[13:22] <notify> ok. thanks will try that
[13:24] <tsimpson> or you could use the API too, but I'm guessing that's overkill for what you want
[13:24] <notify> tsimpson: that appears to edit the body or "description" as they call it. i want the one line summary
[13:24] <tsimpson> ok, there's another pencil icon at the end of that title line
[13:25] <notify> tsimpson: yeah got it. thanks
[13:25] <tsimpson> no problem :)
[13:34] <notify> tsimpson: any quick way of getting the bug fixed too ? only kidding :)
[13:34] <tsimpson> well, the quickest way is always to just fix it yourself ;)
[13:37] <notify> tsimpson: hehe very true
[16:33] <Ge0rG> can somebody from the translation team please ack the pending imports in https://translations.launchpad.net/yaxim/master/+imports
[16:34] <czajkowski> Ge0rG: not sure this is the right place to be asking
[16:34] <czajkowski> dpm: would you know where Ge0rG should be asking
[16:35] <czajkowski> Ge0rG: they are not in my queue as they are not launchpad/product stuff which is what I do review.
[16:36] <Ge0rG> czajkowski: I still can't understand why uploads from the project maintainer need to be reviewed.
[16:39] <dobey> Ge0rG: i think you need to ask in #ubuntu-translations (or #ubuntu-i18n maybe it's called)
[16:40] <dobey> oh, yaxim is an imported tree, not a native branch
[16:40] <dpm> Ge0rG, you're asking at the correct place
[16:41] <dpm> czajkowski, Ge0rG so a Launchpad developer needs to review and approve the import
[16:41] <czajkowski> dpm: ok so in #launchpad-dev so might get the oncall reviewer so
[16:42] <dpm> that might be a good idea, yes
[16:42] <czajkowski> way to many so's in thet sentence
[16:42] <dpm> :)
[16:43] <Ge0rG> so. I should ask in #launchpad-dev then?
[16:43] <czajkowski> dpm: Ge0rG this may also be of some help https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/ImportQueueApprovalNotification
[16:43] <czajkowski> Ge0rG: aye bac is the on call reviewer so he may be the right person in this case.
[16:44] <czajkowski> the revier changes so just check the topic in case you need to do this again.
[16:44] <dpm> actually, that's a good point and it reminds me that IIRC there was a change in LP a while ago to allow project maintainers to approve their own imports
[16:44] <dpm> Ge0rG, have you tried to approve it yourself? You might want to try to see if that works
[16:45] <czajkowski> dpm: I think that document is what Ge0rG is looking for and will resolve their issues.
[16:45] <czajkowski> 90% sure at least
[16:46] <dpm> czajkowski, I was just suggesting what the document says
[16:54] <Ge0rG> dpm: I can only change the status to "deleted", "blocked" or "needs information". "approved" is greyed out
[16:55] <Ge0rG> ohfail. I need to click that little yellow crayon thingie and manually select the template and language, despite both being encoded in the file name?
[16:56] <dpm> Ge0rG, templates don't need languages assigned
[16:56] <dpm> where's your template? I can probably have a look at it
[16:57] <Ge0rG> dpm: I want to import changed .po files into the according languages. the import queue is https://translations.launchpad.net/yaxim/master/+imports - yaxim is the only template there
[16:58] <dpm> Ge0rG, ah, you don't need to approve translations. Once the template has been imported, they should be approved and imported automatically, but it might take some minutes
[16:58] <dpm> Your template has been imported, so you should be all good
[16:58] <dpm> and the .po files should get imported without need for manual intervention
[16:59] <dpm> The only stage where you need to manually approve things is the first time ever you upload a template
[16:59] <dobey> dpm: i think he's trying to import existing translations, so they don't just get thrown away
[16:59] <dpm> yeah, but if they have been imported together with the template they should be automatically imported
[17:00] <dpm> once the template is
[17:01] <dpm> which seems to be the case, as all files have got the same timestamp
[17:02] <Ge0rG> dpm: the template was approved, the translations are still under review.
[17:02] <dpm> Ge0rG, yeah, that's what I'm saying, they'll be approved after the template, but it will take a while
[17:03] <dpm> I seem to remember that the rule of thumb was ~20 minutes
[17:03] <Ge0rG> dpm: how long is a while? I've uploaded them yesterday, and I think the template is approved for some hours now.
[17:03] <dpm> If they don't, then I'd suggest pinging a Launchpad dev
[17:04] <Ge0rG> now that I figured out how to manually approve them, I think I can handle it myself.
[17:05] <dpm> Ge0rG, cool. In any case, even if you approve them it will still take the same amount of time. What takes time is the import (i.e. changing state from Approved to Imported)
[17:05] <Ge0rG> dpm, czajkowski: thanks for the help :)
[17:05] <dpm> no worries :)
[17:06] <Ge0rG> I suppose I still don't understand how the system is meant to be used, but at least it seems I can achieve what I need
[17:06] <Ge0rG> tnx & bye :)
[17:23] <Pikkachu> hi, would anyone please delete some wrong packages from my ppa? the modifications to the application are the same in all packages, except for the form they were applied and the wrong package namings... anyone?
[17:24] <cgregan> Hello Launchpad team....I need a team PPA made private for PES....who is the PPA privatization guru?
[17:30] <Pikkachu> here are the packages for deletion please, marked as deleted: https://launchpad.net/~renatosilva/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=


 Then it should use whatever's in your QPA, full stop
[00:12] <wxl> @UniversalSuperBox it's clear in the issue that at least some distros using LXQt are using the right dialog, but Debian/Ubuntu aren't.
 If it's both, then the issue probably runs into Qt packaging space. Not sure I can be of more help without super digging.
[00:13] <wxl> sigh
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 (*).(*)
 Hi !🙌
 Hello!
[00:15] <wxl> o/
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W16qzZ7J5YQ
[00:18] <lynorian> oh wow
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Absolutely. Hans has first dibs.], Sorry, I have very little time this month at least
[00:51] <kc2bez> No worries. We do what we can when we can. I just wanted to make sure you have first shot at it.
[03:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T69: SRUs] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T69
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[03:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T70: non-existent temporary desktop file appears on desktop] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T70
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[04:03] <guiverc> lynorian,  typo (s/Mehtod/Method/) on https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/3.1/3.1.1/fcitx.html
[04:04] <lynorian> thanks guiverc
[04:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL55eca1874d8e: Fix typo thanks Chris Guiver] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL55eca1874d8e
[05:39] <wxl> @tsimonq2: we're still letting anyone into ~lubuntu-desktop, right?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: we're still letting anyone into ~lubuntu-desktop, right?], Yeah, I guess
 Fwd from Lubuntu Announcements: Lubuntu will be at LinuxFest Northwest this weekend! … https://twitter.com/tsimonquigley2/status/1121034763660333056
[16:47] <wxl> @tsimonq2: looks like we DO need a libfm-qt rebuild to fix the qpa issue https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/391#issuecomment-486326936
[16:48] <wxl> despite what the user said, if you read up, there's no build depend on libfm-qt in lxqt-qtplugin, so we should be able to ignore that
[16:55] <wxl> @tsimonq2: scratch that. it's worse. and stupider. see next comment.
[16:56] <kc2bez> OMG
[16:58] <wxl> but it does say something about devs being bad and presuming because it works on their machines (with all the dev packages installed) that it works for normal users
[16:58] <kc2bez> Always test on a fresh install.
[16:58] <wxl> ALWAYS
[16:59] <wxl> i swear to god i'm going to write a "scientific method for open source software" article
[17:00] <kc2bez> Your methods are spot on so I encourage that.
[17:01] <wxl> it's sometimes time consuming but it's the only way to be sure
[17:01] <wxl> especially with how much things change
[17:01] <wxl> when you see a package with a 7ubuntu10 version string you start biting your fingernails off even thinking about contacting upstream
 @wxl [<wxl> when you see a package with a 7ubuntu10 version string you start biting yo …], debian-installer XD
[17:02] <wxl> no
[17:02] <wxl> !info debian-installer
 XDDD
[17:02] <wxl> WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
 HOLY SHIT
[17:02] <wxl> ^^^ LANGUAGE TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE IN THIS CASE
[17:02] <kc2bez> HAHAHA
[17:03] <wxl> it's really weird that debian themselves would submit over 2 million unique patches to their own software
[17:03] <wxl> ;)
[17:03] <teward> lol
[17:04] <kc2bez> Is that a date code?
[17:04] <kc2bez> LoL
 Yes
 From 2010...
[17:04] <wxl> it is weird that there is a debian patch, though
[17:21] <kc2bez> The saga continues.
[18:37] <wxl[m]> Yes it does. Wow. Getting bizarre
[18:38] <wxl[m]> And to think the initial response was "this bug was fixed five years ago, works for me"
[18:39] <kc2bez> Yeah, read "you did it all wrong in your distro"
 isn't it a debian issue then?
 sudo apt install libfm-qt-dev
 that worked for me
[18:57] <kc2bez> Right but should we need to install the dev package on the system?
 shouldn't be
 but it's the way it's packaged in debian then?
 who packs lxqt for debian?
 or *packaged
[19:02] <kc2bez> agaida
 aaaaaaaaaaaa, now I undertsand.
[19:23] <wxl> if you read a little bit further it's because of the way the software calls on the library coupled with the fact that we/debian split out dev libs
[19:25] <wxl> this is the key comment https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/391#issuecomment-486345993
[19:33] <wxl> huh
[19:33] <wxl> why do we not have featherpad 0.9.4?
[19:33] <wxl> it's been around since feb
[19:39] <kc2bez> Wat? I thought Simon did that.
[19:41] <wxl> nope
[19:41] <wxl> every release has been an auto-sync https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/featherpad
[19:41] <wxl> which begs the question: why didn't it sync?
[19:42] <wxl> the last change was 3 mar
 @wxl [<wxl> which begs the question: why didn't it sync?], Debian Import Freeze
[19:43] <wxl> @tsimonq2: why didn't it sync 0.9.4-1?
 Debian Import Freeze
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseSchedule
 The autosyncer is turned off then
 I love you but RTFM XD
[19:45] <wxl> ah yeah darn, it missed it by a couple days
[19:45] <wxl> lame
[19:45] <wxl> well why didn't WE sync it?
 No clue
 Because you thought it was synced by the autosyncer apparently
[19:45] <wxl> or at least cherry pick some stuff :/
[19:46] <wxl> no
[19:46] <wxl> to be fair, i didn't even know there was a new release :/
 Also a very compelling why
[19:46] <wxl> but you know, simon knows everything
 I don't :P
 Ooooh, punching back with a strong "Blame Simon"
[19:47] <wxl> it's usually the appropriate answer to blame simon. amirite @teward001?
 I didn't know wxl was so blind :P XD
[19:47] <kc2bez> Did he borrow agaida's monitor?
 HAHAHAHAHAHA
[20:07] <teward> i think he borrowed Simon's monitor which has vairous... things... on it at the moment...
[20:08] <teward> which reminds me, clean your monitor @tsimonq2
 HAHAHAHA
 @wxl [<wxl> well why didn't WE sync it?], we might have been taking care of the data loss
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[12:44] <ogra_> sigh
[12:44] <ogra_> (amd64)ogra@aleph2:~$ sudo htop.htop
[12:44] <ogra_> aa_change_onexec failed with -1
[12:44] <ogra_> . errmsg: No such file or directory
[12:44]  * ogra_ doesnt get it
[14:34] <ogra_> sergiusens, do we have any example how to use multiple bits with the ubuntu plugin ? i always end up with "Error: parts spamassassin and postfix have the following files in common:" (followed by a list of files both use)
[14:34] <ogra_> perhaps my snapcraft.yaml is wrong though http://paste.ubuntu.com/12467912/
[14:37] <sergiusens> ogra_, use ppa:snappy-dev/tools-proposed and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snapcraft/core/view/head:/docs/your-first-snap.md
[14:37] <sergiusens> ogra_, might be better off ;-)
[14:38] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, the readme is identical to the doc
[14:38] <ogra_> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/snapcraft/your-first-snap/
[14:38] <ogra_> oh, i use the snapcraft daily PPA
[14:54] <ogra_> hmm


[03:41] <davecheney> is their a quantal-server-armhf-image available ?
[03:41] <davecheney> for omap4
[03:46] <infinity> davecheney: http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/
[03:46] <infinity> davecheney: Or, if you're after netboot images, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/quantal/
[03:57] <davecheney> infinity: i tried the netboot last night
[03:57] <davecheney> it doesn't setup the uboot parition
[03:57] <infinity> Sure it does.
[03:57] <davecheney> nup
[03:57] <infinity> It *is* the uBoot partition
[03:57] <davecheney> right, but after you go through the installer
[03:58] <infinity> The only way for that to fail is if you either repartition the card, or remove it.
[03:58] <davecheney> the sdcard is just formatted like a usual quantal install
[03:58] <infinity> Oh.  Yeah.  Don't install to the SD card.
[03:58] <infinity> It's designed to install to other media.
[03:58] <davecheney> infinity: shuld I start with precise and dist-uprade instead ?
[03:58] <infinity> ...
[03:58] <infinity> The installers are identical.
[03:59] <infinity> Oh, unless you mean a precise preinstall.
[03:59] <davecheney> as in, start with the precise sever omap4 image
[03:59] <infinity> Why do you want to run from SD so badly?
[03:59] <davecheney> 'cos I only have a panda
[03:59] <infinity> ... and?
[03:59] <davecheney> yeah, I guess I can use outboard usb
[03:59] <infinity> I run all my Pandas from external media.   :P
[03:59] <davecheney> the internal card is farqing slow
[04:00] <davecheney> ok, that sounds like a plan
[04:00] <infinity> Yes, this is why we don't officially support installing to SD anymore.
[04:00] <infinity> It's an awful user experience.
[04:00] <davecheney> use the netboot installer, install to the usb drive
[04:00] <davecheney> then i need to adjust my uboot settings right ?
[04:00] <infinity> (That said, if you use netboot and then tell the installer to "install to largest contiguous free space" instead of "entire disk", it might work)
[04:00] <davecheney> or will the netboot installer do that for me ?
[04:00] <infinity> No, it'll do everything right for you.
[04:00] <davecheney> if i'm not an idiot an let it overwrite the card I just booted from :)
[04:01] <infinity> Just select the external disk and "entire disk", and it'll do the right thing and rewrite the SD card.
[04:01] <davecheney> okie dokes
[04:01] <davecheney> thanks mate
[04:01] <infinity> Even a USB thumb drive is a huge improvement over running from SD, but I do recommend an external hard drive (rotary is fine, SSD is a waste of money).
[04:01] <lilstevie> SSDs are faster than USB
[04:02] <davecheney> for all my machines they mount /home over nfs
[04:02] <davecheney> so I only use the sdcard for /
[04:02] <davecheney> and once everything is cached
[04:02] <davecheney> it's usable
[04:02] <lilstevie> hell even a lot of rotary disks have faster access times
[04:02] <infinity> Oh, if you're doing things like that, then yeah, you might want to try installing to SD, I suppose.
[04:03] <infinity> Like I said, we don't "officially" support it, but if you pick the "largest contiguous space" option instead of "entire disk", it may DTRT.
[04:03] <infinity> It used to.  But I haven't tested that in a while.
[04:03] <davecheney> i'd say usb ethernet and usb sata would be about as aweful
[04:03] <davecheney> infinity: i'll try largest
[04:03] <infinity> USB HDDs are ridiculously fast in comparison to SD, though, if you intend to do anything locally.
[04:04] <infinity> (Also, SD cards kinda burn out and explode with heavy use, but if you're essentially using it read-only, that's not as big a deal)
[04:04] <davecheney> infinity: btw, nexus 7 with lightdm shutdown is a pretty decent build host
[04:04] <davecheney> but again, mount your home from somewhere else
[04:04] <davecheney> that is an expensive flash card
[04:05] <infinity> Building over networks doesn't excite me terribly. :/
[04:05] <infinity> If I could both charge it *and* have a USB HDD plugged in at the same time, I'd love it.
[04:05] <davecheney> that would rquire some kind of bi sexual usb cable
[04:05] <infinity> Exactly.
[04:05]  * davecheney shudders
[04:05] <infinity> I have enough build hosts lying around here, though.
[04:06] <infinity> And still considering jumping on the Chromebook bandwagon.
[04:06] <davecheney> if I could get someone to mule me one from the states, us!
[04:06] <davecheney> yes!
[04:06] <davecheney> i have the reddies in my hot little hand
[04:06] <davecheney> but you can't buy the buggers in AU
[04:07] <infinity> Yeah, can't buy them in Canada either, but getting friends to ship across that border is less hassle.
[04:07] <davecheney> i'll keep an eye out for folks making the trip across the ocean
[04:07] <davecheney> but I suspect it'll be UDS-R before I can get one
[04:07] <infinity> And I usually buy all my laptops in the US, just due to the fact that they always try to fleece us on local sales.
[04:08] <infinity> Our dollars are basically at parity right now, but everything's mysteriously 30% more expensive here.
[04:08] <davecheney> infinity: yes, the AUD is kicking the greenback's arse
[04:08] <davecheney> but for some reason there is a 10-20% living in australia tax
[04:08] <infinity> davecheney: Your tax makes some sense.    We're 350M.
[04:10] <infinity> davecheney: That *does* make a difference when it comes to how you can or can't ship bulk.
[04:10] <davecheney> 22million i'll have you know, we've been busy
[04:10] <davecheney> yeah, i'm just whinging
[04:10] <infinity> (I know it sucks, I used to live in Melbourne(
[04:10] <infinity> )
[04:11] <infinity> The trick was to have friends visit.  Or travel lots.
[04:11] <infinity> And always get stuff on the outside. :P
[04:11] <infinity> Except lambs.
[04:12] <davecheney> infinity: i've also got hold of an imx.53
[04:12] <davecheney> how do you run the sata port on there
[04:12] <davecheney> considering there is no power header
[04:21] <infinity> I have mine plugged into an internal->eSata adaptor, and have it plugged into an eSATA drive in a caddy.
[04:22] <davecheney> ahh, right, so your getting the power from the caddies wall wart
[04:22]  * infinity nods.
[04:22] <infinity> That's the only sane way to get power to anything on these boards.
[04:22] <infinity> Same for USB drives.
[04:22] <davecheney> yup
[04:23] <infinity> Driving them from the USB hub will end in tears.
[04:23] <davecheney> oh no, think of the children!
[04:24] <davecheney> infinity: doing largest looks like it'll work
[04:24] <davecheney> it started at partition 2 this time
[04:25] <davecheney> thanks for the tip
[04:25] <infinity> Yeah, this could all be made more elegant, but... The biggest consumers of netboot on omap/omap4 boards also happen to be people who preseed and do their own twisted magic anyway.
[04:26] <infinity> As such, it never became much of a priority to make this more user-friendly.
[04:26] <infinity> Or friendly at all. :P
[04:26] <davecheney> i think it's pretty decent
[04:26]  * davecheney has been playing with freebsd/arm
[04:26] <davecheney> that is _not_ user friendly
[04:26] <infinity> Oh, sure, we're more friendly than most everyone else.  But I hold myself to a higher standard than that. :P
[04:27]  * davecheney nods
[04:28] <infinity> Someone really needs to send me a Beagle xM.
[04:28] <infinity> This C4 I'm testing on makes me want to kick puppies.
[04:29] <infinity> I bet I could have kidnapped a bucket of XMs when I was in London last.  And I forgot.  Drat.
[04:33] <davecheney> c4 ?
[04:33] <davecheney> "when i doubt, c4!"
[04:34] <infinity> davecheney: Ancient beaglboard model, 750MHz, 256MB of RAM.
[04:34] <lilstevie> ew
[04:34] <infinity> davecheney: Not the most pleasant system to be testing my omap3 fixes on.
[04:34] <davecheney> oh sadface
[04:35] <davecheney> can't you use the loco ?
[04:35] <infinity> To test omap3 stuff?  That would be a cute trick.
[04:35] <infinity> Given that it's a different SoC. :)
[04:35] <davecheney> oh, sorry
[04:35] <davecheney> i keep forgetting that it's not Ti
[04:35] <infinity> Heh.
[04:36] <davecheney> but then again, there won't be any more OMAP boards now
[04:36] <davecheney> so i'd better get use to that
[04:36] <infinity> And I was so looking forward to the Panda5.
[04:37] <davecheney> have they just given up
[04:37] <infinity> No.
[04:37] <davecheney> i heard they were selling the OMAP5 rights
[04:37] <davecheney> or they were at least up for sale
[04:37] <infinity> I'm actually not sure of the current state of affairs.
[04:37] <davecheney> there is also the exyijis
[04:37] <davecheney> i have no idea how to spell that
[04:37] <davecheney> the quad cortex-a9
[04:37] <davecheney> from samsung
[04:38] <infinity> Exynos.
[04:38] <davecheney> yes
[04:42] <davecheney> ok, gotta fly, thanks for your help
[04:42] <davecheney> will report back when the net install is done
[18:46] <tassadar_> Will 12.10 version of ubuntu for nexus 7 get any updates or not?
[22:27] <xenome> does midori not support html5 anymore?  It seems to work great under the angstrom distribution


[01:26] <joh6nn> i'm having some serious slowdown with my wireless connection, compared to the speeds that i had in both Hardy and Jaunty.  I've tried disabling ipv6 and a few other things, but nothing seems to help
[01:27] <serox> Hi!
[01:27] <serox> Anybody here using Kubuntu hardy?
[01:28] <serox> I don't know why, but my outgoing internettraffic has stopped working on Hardy
[01:28] <serox> I can't send any files or anything at all anymore.
[01:28] <serox> Does somebody else have this problem?
[01:32] <joh6nn> serox: you have no outgoing traffic whatsoever?
[01:33] <InvaderZim> There is no option in kdebluetooth for receiving files. How do I receive?
[01:33] <serox> joh6nn: Nope, doesn't work at all
[01:33] <serox> joh6nn: My english isn't that good, so I will try to answear as good as possible.
[01:34] <serox> joh6nn: There is a swedish site where you can test your bandwith. It checks my downstream, but when it want's to check my upstream it justs stands at 0%
[01:34] <serox> I can't send files with FTP either.
[01:34] <joh6nn> hrm
[01:34] <serox> But it works in 9.10
[01:35] <serox> joh6nn: And I could send files with 8.10 before, so I don't know what happened. I even re-installed ~8 days ago
[01:35] <joh6nn> well, you must be able to send at least *some* outgoing traffic, or you'd never be able to send the http requests to get to the website to begin with
[01:36] <joh6nn> serox: what bandwidth testing site are you using?
[01:37] <serox> joh6nn: bredbandskollen.se
[01:37] <serox> joh6nn: Aha okey
[01:37] <serox> joh6nn: But I can't send files
[01:37] <joh6nn> to any ftp site, or just the one you normally use?
[01:40] <serox> joh6nn: Any + the site I just talked about doesn't work
[01:41] <serox> And I can't use Mediatomb either cause of my problem.
[01:41] <serox> Mediatomb is a program so I can stream from my laptop to my Playstation 3
[01:41] <joh6nn> hrm
[01:44] <serox> joh6nn: It's really strange I know =)
[01:50] <joh6nn> serox: what happens if you try to ping a website?
[01:53] <serox> joh6nn: I can ping www.google.cm
[01:53] <serox> com
[01:54] <serox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/361668/
[01:55] <joh6nn> can you ping the ftp host?
[01:56] <[Relic]> easiest way to list all installed package to a text file is...?  dpkg -l??
[01:57] <joh6nn> [Relic]: dpkg --get-selections > text_file
[01:57] <serox> joh6nn: I will try
[01:58] <[Relic]> thanks, I do this only every few years
[01:58] <joh6nn> [Relic]: i recommend putting it into a daily cron job; you can use it to help recover after disasters
[01:58] <serox> joh6nn: Nope, I can't
[01:59] <serox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/361671/
[01:59] <joh6nn> serox: then something is running on your machine, i'd think, that is blocking certain ports.  a firewall maybe?
[02:02] <serox> joh6nn: Maybe it's my router?
[02:02] <serox> joh6nn: But why isn't it blocking in 9.10?
[02:02] <serox> joh6nn: I use a Linksys WRT54GL
[02:03] <serox> joh6nn: I have a fiber-connection, so I don't have any modem.
[02:03] <joh6nn> serox: exactly, that's why i think it's something that's running on the machine; otherwise it would prevent other devices/installs from working, as well
[02:03] <serox> THought maybe you should know.
[02:03] <serox> joh6nn: Aha okey
[02:03] <serox> joh6nn: Anything I can do/try maybe that you know of?
[02:03] <joh6nn> `ps aux` to see what's running ?
[02:05] <serox> I will try it
[02:06] <serox> joh6nn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/361674/
[02:09] <[Relic]> haven't had any disasters  :)
[02:10] <joh6nn> [Relic]: then you're probably over due for one :)
[02:11] <[Relic]> it is called an new install  :)
[02:11] <joh6nn> serox: what do you get if you run lsof -i ?
[02:16] <serox> joh6nn: I will try
[02:17] <serox> joh6nn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/361679/
[02:22] <joh6nn> serox: hrm.  i'm out of ideas, then :(
[02:23] <serox> joh6nn: Okey
[02:23] <serox> joh6nn: Could it be something with the router or what?
[02:24] <joh6nn> it could be.  that would be strange, but it's a strange problem
[02:24] <serox> Hehe yes
[02:24] <serox> joh6nn: But the question then is -> which port is closed/opened that shouldn't be t
[02:24] <serox> be it
[02:27] <serox> joh6nn: Are you using Kubuntu 9.10?
[02:27] <joh6nn> yes
[02:27] <serox> Okey, happy with KDE4?
[02:27] <serox> Well; i gues you are since you're using it =)
[02:29] <[Relic]> using something simply because there isn't anything better isn't the same as being happy with it
[02:30] <joh6nn> serox: actually, i'm not
[02:30] <joh6nn> i just upgraded yesterday
[02:30] <joh6nn> i'd been running 8.04 for quite some time, reluctant to upgrade
[02:30] <[Relic]> same here
[02:30] <[Relic]> going to upgrade in a few though  :)
[02:31] <serox> joh6nn: Ahh okey, I didn't like KDE4 at all
[02:31] <joh6nn> but a few things finally forced me to.  since the upgrade, in addition to KDE4 not being as good as KDE3 (in my opinion), i've been having some internet issues
[02:31] <serox> joh6nn: What does "reluctant" mean?
[02:31] <joh6nn> so, 2 steps forward, 1 step back
[02:31] <joh6nn> serox: unwilling, didn't want to
[02:31] <serox> Ahh okey
[02:31] <serox> joh6nn: I installed Ubuntu 9.10, was pretty okey.
[02:32] <serox> But some things in GNOME looks pretty old in some way.
[02:33] <serox> But it was sooo nice to be able to use some newer packages + have my internetproblem fixed.
[02:33] <serox> But I really really love KDE3, I would like to use it forever if it had the same updates as  9.10 etc
[02:34] <serox> Damn it, my cabl went out frm my laptop.
[02:37] <joh6nn> serox: yeah, i feel the same way.  i was much happier with KDE3; i understand that it was time to rewrite some things, but i'm not sure that KDE4 is an improvement
[02:37] <serox> Baaah, it's 03:37 here =/
[02:37] <joh6nn> it's been more than a year already, and still not all the features from KDE3 are back
[02:37] <serox> joh6nn: KDE4 was annoying me as hell
[02:38] <serox> I gave it one last chans like 10 days ago, but I re-installed after 15min
[02:38] <serox> They removed kedit, kview as well, really annoying
[02:39] <serox> And I couldn't create icons easily on the desktop like I can with KDE3, and I couldn't drag icons to the taskbar as easily as in KDE3.
[02:40] <serox> And those widgets at the top of the screen-corners was annoying me. Kopete-KDE3 is alot better looking etc
[02:40] <serox> Wellwell
[02:40] <serox> joh6nn: Thanks alot for your help, I really appreciate it alot
[02:40] <serox> Time to go to bed, take care everybody!
[02:40] <serox> God natt
[02:40] <joh6nn> no problem :)
[02:40] <serox> Ops, that was in swedish =)
[02:40] <joh6nn> nacht!
[02:40] <serox> God night!
[02:40] <FloodBotK3> serox: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:40] <serox> Sorry =)
[03:22] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[03:22] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[03:53] <joh6nn> i'm having some serious slowdown with my wireless connection, compared to the speeds that i had in both Hardy and Jaunty.  I've tried disabling ipv6 and a few other things, but nothing seems to help
[04:03] <ilumi> joh6nn: how can you tell
[04:05] <joh6nn> ilumi: how do you mean?
[04:05] <joh6nn> you mean what are my specific symptoms?
[04:06] <ilumi> joh6nn: how can you tell it's actually slower
[04:07] <joh6nn> ilumi: web pages i visit regularly are loading very slowly.  my fiancee's machine, still running Hardy, is just a few feet away, and loading them just fine
[04:08] <joh6nn> i have the same symptoms trying to transfer a file from my box to hers, over the lan, so it's not just wan traffic
[04:09] <ilumi> joh6nn: why dont you do a speed test, and see hwat you get
[04:10] <ilumi>  Speedtest.net or speakeasy or both
[04:16] <joh6nn> ilumi: speedtest.net is telling me roughly about 2 Mbs down.  it should be about 5
[04:17] <joh6nn> but beyond that, trying to download packages last night, apt told me that a 50Mb was going to take over an hour to download
[04:18] <joh6nn> i let it go for about 20 minutes before i got fed up and downloaded it on another box on the lan and moved it over with a usb drive
[04:23] <ilumi> not sure could be driver problem,
[04:24] <ilumi> did you do an upgrade or a fresh install?
[04:26] <joh6nn> ilumi: i always do clean installs; i've had back luck with upgrades.
[04:26] <joh6nn> i tried upgrading to a backport driver to see if that would help, but it doesn't seem to have made a difference
[04:27] <joh6nn> i also tried switching from networking manager to wicd, but i didn't seem to have any connectivity at all then, though i may have missed something there
[04:31] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[04:33] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[04:56] <Malin_> !kubuntu
[04:56] <Malin_> !gnome
[04:56] <Malin_> !ubuntu
[04:57] <Malin_> !Michael Jackson
[08:55] <bs27975_not> Help. Have new eee, 250gb hd. Want to dual boot 9.10 with current win 7. Disk came with 4 primary partitions - os, data, 0x1b install, 16MB boot booster. Have deleted data, but don't want to delete others. I expect current 3 partitions to be a problem. Are there any docs out there regarding partitioning / dual-boot for these circumstances? Thanks.
[08:56] <bs27975_not> er, Current 3 primary partitions leaves one for extended, and I expect only having an extended partition available for kubuntu to be the problem.
[09:07] <bs27975> Anyone home? (Can't tell.) Help, please. Have new eee, 250gb hd. Want to dual boot 9.10 with current win 7. Disk came with 4 primary partitions - os, data, 0x1b install, 16MB boot booster. Have deleted data, but don't want to delete others. I expect current 3 primary partitions to be a problem for installing kubuntu, as this would require it to live entirely within extended partition, which...
[09:07] <bs27975> ...I suspect it will be unhappy about. Are there any docs out there regarding partitioning / dual-boot for these circumstances? Thanks kindly. Googling brings results like drinking from a fire hose - can't find pertinent hits from all the background noise.
[09:08] <pat|nG> you have to mount each drive first
[09:12] <bs27975> pat|ng ???
[09:13] <bs27975> pat|ng ... i.e. You were talking to me?
[09:57] <shadeslayer> btw did anyone upgrade to 4.3.95?
[09:58] <shadeslayer> (even though its not official,its in the repos)
[11:15] <regenkind> hi how can i configure konqueror so that it will know how to handle irc links, open them with a chat client?
[11:16] <JJR> hi all
[11:17] <regenkind> :( nobody knows this or is it simply not possible
[11:17] <regenkind> ?
[11:18] <Tm_T> regenkind: I know there is a way, but I don't know how
[11:19] <TheAncientGoat> Hey guys, does anyone know how to set the panel color?
[11:22] <regenkind> Does quassel support dcc file transfer now?
[11:27] <jti> hey guys do you know how can I find hard links in directory tof ind soft one we uce ls -s but I dont know hardlinks
[11:33] <regenkind> @jti: AFAIK you simply can't if you follow the text from  info coreutils 'ln invocation' you'll that they (hardlink and source) are simply the same
[11:33] <regenkind> oups... missed the verb: see
[11:35] <slow-motion> hi
[11:36] <AlexV> Hello I' new in Linux, I have installed the Kubuntu last version and have problems with video rasolution, can anyone help me? I'm using virtualbox
[11:41] <InvaderZim> I don't see an option in kdebluetooth for receiving files, how come?
[11:52] <AlexV_> Hello I' new in Linux, I have installed the Kubuntu last version and have problems with video rasolution, can anyone help me? I'm using virtualbox
[11:52] <InvaderZim> AlexV_ whats your problem
[11:54] <AlexV_> I run KUBUNTU in virtual box under windows XP , I would like to use it in full screen mode in resolution 1400X900, but KUBUNTU does not have this resolution options it only has 800X600 and 600X480
[11:54] <ToxinPowe> you have to install vbox tools
[11:55] <ToxinPowe> "guestadditions" en vbox menu
[11:55] <ToxinPowe> then restart y resize your vbox windows
[11:56] <AlexV_> ToxinPowe - no idea what "vbox tools" are, but I will find out .
[11:57] <AlexV_> Thanks
[11:59] <AlexV_> I need to install "vbox tools" under virtual Linux? OR under host windows?
[12:00] <ToxinPowe> http://www.ehow.com/how_2343701_screen-resolution-ubuntu-virtual-box.html
[12:08] <AlexV_> Thanks, let me try it.
[12:21] <muxol> Does anyone know a GTK+ theme that looks like the default Oxygen and  that adopts system colors?
[12:25] <ToxinPowe> AlexV_, works?
[14:07] <OuZo> Hi, where can I find help with using a cell phone to connect to the internet via Bluetooth? (thanks)
[14:08] <LjL> OuZo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothDialup
[14:30] <ajd2k9> hi i seem to have a problem just recently changed from my gfx card to onboard HDMI port so i could get audio through my tv .. it works with my music but not with mozilla or vlc .. works in amarok perfectly fine its just when theres video involved .. any suggestions peeps ... thanks
[14:31] <martijn> ajd2k9: you might want to ask this in channel #linux
[14:32] <ajd2k9> alright will do cheers ... n00b q .. how do i get there lol
[14:32] <martijn>  /join #linux
[14:33] <martijn> working?
[14:34] <ajd2k9> seem to of lost my mouse :(~
[14:34] <ajd2k9> as in it wont move lol
[14:36] <martijn> ajd2k9: which client do you use?
[14:36] <martijn> might want to use page down biutton
[14:36] <martijn> button
[14:50] <ajd2k9> matijn : im using Koala
[14:51] <AssociateX> Hi and also hello
[14:52] <AssociateX> Is there a site that list by consensus what the best packages for this or that are?
[14:53] <AssociateX> I need to edit some VOB files
[14:54] <ajd2k9> hi i seem to have a problem just recently changed from my gfx card to onboard HDMI port so i could get audio through my tv .. it works with my music but not with mozilla or vlc .. works in amarok perfectly fine its just when theres video involved .. any suggestions peeps ... thanks
[14:57] <v3sox> _help
[15:23] <ajd2k9_> hi i seem to have a problem just recently changed from my gfx card to onboard HDMI port so i could get audio through my tv .. it works with my music but not with mozilla or vlc .. works in amarok perfectly fine its just when theres video involved .. any suggestions peeps ... thanks???
[15:24] <martijn> ajd2k9_: what did they told you in #linux ?
[15:25] <Tm_T> ajd2k9_: it has to do with pulseaudio, so you have to change output device of pulseaudio
[15:25] <ajd2k9_> pulse audio?
[15:25] <Tm_T> !pulseaudio
[15:25] <ajd2k9_> thanks mate !
[15:26] <Tm_T> that's what I would blame, anyway
[15:33] <gigasoft> where can i see processor's working frequency?
[15:37] <ajd2k9> tm_T : pulse audio hasnt made a diffrence ...
[15:53] <shadeslayer> whats a good channel for launchpad ppa help?
[15:53] <shadeslayer> like uploading packages and stuff ?
[16:00] <bomber> im trying to reinstall grub and not having any luck
[16:01] <shadeslayer> bomber: seen the wiki page?
[16:01] <bomber> in the /boot/grub  directory it doesnt even show the menu.lst file?
[16:01] <bomber> i have tried the instructions but to no avail
[16:03] <shadeslayer> bomber: where are you stuk?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> bomber: *stuck
[16:04] <bomber> well when i do find /boot/grub/stage1 i get file not found
[16:04] <bomber> when i do parted --list i see the partition i installed linux too but i cant get the bootloader back on it
[16:04] <shadeslayer> bomber: one sec
[16:05] <shadeslayer> bomber: this is grub2 right?
[16:05] <bomber> i have 2 ide drives and 1 sata
[16:05] <Daughain> That was just strange.
[16:06] <shadeslayer> bomber: no i mean there are 2 grub versions : grub 1 and grub 2
[16:06] <bomber> i believe its ver 2
[16:06] <bomber> its the latest kubuntu
[16:06] <shadeslayer> bomber: do you have a live usb/cd ?
[16:07] <bomber> thats what im using now
[16:07] <shadeslayer> bomber: try this then : http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[16:07] <shadeslayer> bomber: itll grub from scratch
[16:07] <bomber> ok lemme see
[16:08] <Shaan7> bomber: grub-install didn't work?
[16:08] <bomber> no    it cant find the stage1 file
[16:08] <shadeslayer> Shaan7: its required to bind the drive first
[16:08] <shadeslayer> thats probably missing in the wiki
[16:08] <Shaan7> shadeslayer: i had told him to mount the partition
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Shaan7: mounting and binding are 2 different thiings
[16:09] <Shaan7> shadeslayer: mount /dev/sdXn /mnt works for me
[16:09] <shadeslayer> *thinkgs
[16:09] <shadeslayer> eek.. typos :P
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Shaan7: yeah thats mounting but you need to bind the drive too
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Shaan7: like this : sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
[16:10] <bomber> i tried your method too shaan7.... you were the one that told me a few muntes ago?
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Shaan7: please read the same link i gave to bomber
[16:10] <bomber> im reading now
[16:10] <Shaan7> shadeslayer: ok, then I was lucky that it worked without bind ;) will take care next time. thanks :)
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Shaan7: no problem :)
[16:13] <shadeslayer> bomber: did it work?
[16:14] <Daughain> Why would process' be shjowing xorg using 30+% of the load on my proccy?
[16:14] <bomber> im still doing it...... double checking everything before i run them
[16:15] <shadeslayer> bomber: ah thats good policy :)
[16:15] <shadeslayer> btw anyone here know packaging ?
[16:17] <bomber> something mush have went wrong...... getting command not found now
[16:17] <shadeslayer> bomber: whut?
[16:17] <bomber> trying apt-get or grub
[16:17] <shadeslayer> bomber: 0_o
[16:18] <bomber> i made it to the part where you chane to root than im getting command errors now
[16:18] <shadeslayer> bomber: which command error?
[16:18] <bomber> command not found
[16:19] <shadeslayer> bomber: for which command?
[16:19] <bomber> trying to run apt-get install grub
[16:19] <shadeslayer> bomber: ><
[16:19] <shadeslayer> bomber: you cant just apt-get install grub :P
[16:19] <bomber> i already installed grub so i tried just running grub and that wont work either
[16:19] <shadeslayer> bomber: if  youve install grub then just reboot the system
[16:20] <bomber> lemme try but  i dont think it installed
[16:20] <bomber> brb
[16:20] <shadeslayer> bomber: sure
[16:34] <cexar> hi
[16:38] <ilumi> sup
[16:45] <Guest98972> hääääääää
[16:45] <Guest98972> wie geht dess
[16:46] <Guest98972> adsf
[16:48] <michi__> asdf
[16:49] <michi__> sf
[16:49] <michi__> as
[16:49] <michi__> df
[16:49] <michi__> asdf
[16:49] <FloodBotK3> michi__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:49] <michi__> sdf
[16:49] <Guest98972> Gi jetzt gehts oder?
[16:49] <Guest98972> schreib ma was in des kästle
[16:49] <Guest98972> !!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:49] <bomber> same thing... no grub
[16:50] <michi__> hüä
[16:50] <michi__> was issn dess
[16:50] <michi__> kann dess ma einer erklärn?
[16:51] <Guest98972> sin da noch andere leute oder nur unser pc
[17:00] <joh6nn> i'm having some serious slowdown with my wireless connection, compared to the speeds that i had in both Hardy and Jaunty.  I've tried disabling ipv6 and a few other things, but nothing seems to help
[17:00] <Alien2> I think I'm suffering from that libindicate3 bug, the bug DB tells me to upgrade to version ubuntu2, but I don't know where to do that
[17:02] <Alien2> unfortunately, if I can't get this bug fixed I'll have to switch back to Debian... I liked kubuntu several years ago but the basic QA is just baffling to me. How can you release something that crashes when you add and then remove a panel applet
[17:02] <Alien2> who exactly is "testing" this thing
[17:03] <Guest66859> does someone speak german here?
[17:03] <shadeslayer> !de | Guest66859
[17:04] <joh6nn> Guest66859: ein bisschen.  but there are german language help channels
[17:06] <Martijn81> hi are there any realistic car games for linux currently ?
[17:06] <Taytay> Hi !
[17:06] <Martijn81> \o/
[17:06] <Alien2> I installed 9.10 on a laptop, had the same silly crash (tried to add a panel button, then remove it, kicker went away and never came back). In that case I just gave up and installed Debian. I'm giving Kubuntu a second chance on my other machine but if nobody can help why should I keep wasting my time
[17:06] <Alien2> this is a really basic, basic thing. The thing is crashing out of the box. Who is testing this stuff, I'd like to give them a few suggestions
[17:07] <shadeslayer> !games | Martijn81
[17:07] <joh6nn> Alien2: i came in late; what's the problem you're seeing?
[17:07] <Kolia> Alien2: what is a "panel button"?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> Alien2: ok first of all which KDE version?
[17:08] <Alien2> I'm using 9.10 Kubuntu, straight out of box, I cannot tell you the version, since all of KDE is essentially crashed
[17:08] <Alien2> I have the windows which are currently open, and that's it
[17:08] <Taytay> I made a Krunner plugin for Opera where can I post it ?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> Alien2: go to help > about KDE
[17:08] <Alien2> How am I supposed to click on help when nothing is working
[17:08] <shadeslayer> (of any window)
[17:09] <Alien2> Ok. KDE 4.3.2
[17:09] <shadeslayer> Alien2: you said you have windows open
[17:09] <Alien2> I filed a bug report last night, the bug collector tells me it's a dup of some libindicate3 bug
[17:09] <shadeslayer> Alien2: ok now can you open a terminal?
[17:09] <shadeslayer> Alien2: um thats a gnome library..
[17:09]  * shadeslayer wonders how that could affect kde
[17:10] <Alien2> "Um," I filed a bug report through the automated crash reporter. Today in my email it tells me this thing.
[17:10] <Alien2> So basically, by using the facilities of the system it's telling me I have a Gnome issue? Again, who the hell is testing this crap
[17:10] <shadeslayer> Alien2: can you paste the link to the bug report?
[17:10] <shadeslayer> Alien2: please be patient and let us sort out the problem
[17:11] <shadeslayer> Alien2: we need info not sarcasm to work :)
[17:11] <Alien2> hang on I am digging up the email
[17:11] <shadeslayer> Alien2: sure
[17:12] <Alien2> as far as sarcasm, I am not trying to be sarcastic. I don't understand how something can be released that crashes within 5 minutes of booting up, when I try to do something extremely simple
[17:12] <Alien2> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224002
[17:12] <shadeslayer> Alien2: it didnt crash when i had 4.3.4
[17:13] <Alien2> it says that my bug has been marked as a dup of 212063
[17:13] <joh6nn> Alien2: well, it'd be pretty hard to test every possible scenario, on every possible piece of hardware
[17:13] <shadeslayer> Alien2: ah its marked as a duplicate
[17:13] <Taytay> is there a chan for kubuntu dev ?
[17:13] <Alien2> I understand the difficulties of testing.
[17:14] <shadeslayer> Alien2: please do apt-cache policy libindicate3 and report back the version
[17:14] <Alien2> but this has happened on both machines I have installed 9.10 on, one is a laptop, one is a Mac Mini x86
[17:14] <Alien2> shades, somebody just told me that libindicate3 is part of Gnome, which I am not using
[17:15] <Alien2> but I will check
[17:15] <shadeslayer> Alien2: yeah i just told you that :)
[17:15] <shadeslayer> Alien2: but sometimes when you install apps like firefox some parts of gnome libraries are pulled in
[17:15] <Alien2> It says installed 0.2.3-0ubuntu1, candidate 0.2.3-0ubuntu2
[17:15] <shadeslayer> Alien2: thats the proble
[17:16] <shadeslayer> Alien2: thats the problem update to 0.2.3-0ubuntu2 and itll be fixed
[17:16] <shadeslayer> Alien2: read : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212063
[17:16] <shadeslayer> Alien2: or more accurately : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212063#c28
[17:16] <Alien2> shades, I did read that, I knew this information already... my original question was HOW to upgrade this package, that's what I can't figure out
[17:17] <shadeslayer> Alien2: why didnt you ask to then? do : sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:17] <shadeslayer> Alien2: my bad
[17:17] <Alien2> the very first thing I commented here was "I think I'm suffering from that libindicate3 bug, the bug DB tells me
[17:17] <Alien2>           to upgrade to version ubuntu2, but I don't know where to do that"
[17:17] <shadeslayer> Alien2: i just started reading from your second post,im sorry
[17:18] <Alien2> no prob.
[17:18] <Alien2> I've been doing this a long time. I have to say, some of these newer facilities are making things harder for me, not easier
[17:18] <shadeslayer> Alien2: well for basic updates and upgrades use : sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:18] <Alien2> that seems a little heavy handed.
[17:19] <shadeslayer> Alien2: heavy handed as in?
[17:20] <Alien2> as in I do not want to upgrade everything to the latest version, just the component which is not working
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Alien2: that command updates everything to the latest bugfix release,why dont you use that?
[17:21] <Alien2> because I prefer the bugs I know to the bugs I don't know
[17:22]  * Kolia prefers less bugs
[17:22] <shadeslayer> Alien2: i think that new stuff is uploaded so as to fix stuff not break it
[17:22] <Martijn81> thanks for these links shadeslayer !
[17:23] <shadeslayer> Martijn81: if you like gaming i would suggest sabayon
[17:24] <Alien2> you just told me that it's impossible to test all configurations, which I understand, being a developer myself. so how can you also say that patching 1000 different things will make my system better, my system is "unique," right?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> Alien2: yes,but usually bugfixes are really important upgrades..
[17:25] <Martijn81> hey man, thanks again! :D
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Alien2:  A specific version of a package can be selected for installation by following the package name with an equals and the version of the package to select. This will cause that version to be located and selected for install. Alternatively a specific distribution can be selected by following the package name with a slash and the version of the distribution or the Archive name (stable, testing, unstable).
[17:25] <Alien2> the installation is so fresh I suppose I have nothing to lose anyway.
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Alien2: directly from the apt-get man page
[17:26] <shadeslayer> Alien2: i would seriously recommend those upgrades... they arent called upgrades for no reason
[17:26] <Alien2> I'm not trying to be a dick, I just work on software where a crash in the field results in somebody losing their job so you gotta understand my viewpoint is colored by that sort of attitude
[17:27] <Alien2> I am going to pull the trigger now.
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Alien2: i understand but what im saying is completely different.. im saying to remain updated to latest bug fixes,or atleast just the security updates..
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Alien2: itll be a better experience not a worse on
[17:27] <shadeslayer> *one
[17:28] <shadeslayer> Alien2: updates and patches are released so as to make the system work better,not worse,and even though they dont test them out on every machine,the tests themselves are pretty exhaustive
[17:33] <shadeslayer> Alien2: upgraded?
[17:33] <Alien2> still going
[17:33] <shadeslayer> Alien2: how big is the upgrade anyways?
[17:34] <Alien2> did not notice the package count, but it's 193 megabytes of stuff.
[17:35] <markinux> hi
[17:36] <shadeslayer> markinux: hey
[17:36] <markinux> what's up?
[17:37] <Alien2> arrrrgh it's updating the kernel, this is the kind of thing that makes me nervous
[17:37] <Alien2> ok. it's done, guess I'll reboot and pray.
[17:37] <Alien2> hopefully bbiab
[17:39] <Alien2> one last question before I shutdown... any idea why a 'shutdown -h now' or a 'halt' doesn't seem the work -- the progress bar hangs at about 95%. I need to hard poweroff, which sucks. it's a mac mini so maybe it's a hardware thing
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Alien2: no need to pray
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Alien2: works on a dell here
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Alien2: try : sudo halt -h NOW
[17:40] <shadeslayer> always works here :)
[17:40] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[17:40] <Alien2> that's exactly what I do. even if it does go down, doesn't come back up correctly. it hangs on the mac's gray bootup screen. I'm sure it's a mac mini thing
[17:40] <Alien2> anyway. be back.
[17:40] <phoenix_> i have some problem with qt. can anyone help me
[17:41] <shadeslayer> phoenix_: whats the problem?
[17:41] <Kolia> phoenix_: is this related to kubuntu?
[17:41] <phoenix_> my os is kubuntu, but problem is in qt
[17:42] <phoenix_> when i try to build my project , it says unused variables
[17:42] <phoenix_> i am not able to build my program
[17:43] <Kolia> phoenix_: try #kubuntu_devel :)
[17:44] <Kolia> phoenix_: #kubuntu-devel sorry
[17:44] <phoenix_> what is that
[17:44] <phoenix_> i am a newbie
[17:44] <simion314> phoenix_: hi, so i started on Qt
[17:45] <simion314> phoenix_: there is a #qt chanel and a #c++
[17:45] <phoenix_> how can i access the channel
[17:45] <Bizzeh> same way you got to this one
[17:45] <simion314> phoenix_: what are you using?
[17:45] <Bizzeh> /j #qt
[17:46] <phoenix_> quassel irc
[17:46] <Alien2> seems to be working, but I had to blow away ~/.kde
[17:46] <Dhraakellian> how would I disable touchpad tapping automatically on startup in KDE?  I don't believe KDE's systemsettings has touchpad settings.
[17:47] <simion314> phoenix_: in that Tab that you see the server messages you can tupe command , "join #qt" withoud  "characthers
[17:47] <Dhraakellian> syndaemon appears to have a switch to disable both tapping and scrolling, but I still want the latter
[17:47] <phoenix_> ok
[17:47] <phoenix_> its showing up in the left panel i will try that
[17:48] <phoenix_> thank you
[17:48] <Dhraakellian> I'm currently just running gsynaptics to apply disable tapping manually on each boot, but I'd rather have it work without interaction
[17:48] <Dhraakellian> s/apply //
[17:52] <shadeslayer> Dhraakellian: that might be possible but youll need to familiar with CLO
[17:52] <shadeslayer> s/CLO/CLI
[17:53] <shadeslayer> Dhraakellian: also see synclient
[17:53] <shadeslayer> !info synclient Dhraakellian
[17:53] <shadeslayer> !info synclient | Dhraakellian
[17:54] <shadeslayer> meh..
[17:54] <shadeslayer> Dhraakellian: just do man synclient in a terminal
[17:54] <Dhraakellian> but, but... I really am quite a Dapper Dhraak!
[17:56] <shadeslayer_> Dhraakellian: :P
[17:57] <gayle> hello
[18:08] <mikeyv> Hi all, i have a question, i just installed Kubuntu 9.10 on my laptop but i cannot connect to any network, both wired as wireless ( wired = broadcom / wireless atheros )
[18:08] <mikeyv> any1 can help me with this ?
[18:08] <shadeslayer_> mikeyv: ah atheros
[18:09] <shadeslayer_> !atheros | mikeyv
[18:09] <shadeslayer_> !broadcom | mikeyv
[18:10] <shadeslayer_> mikeyv: you chose harware which needs some tweaking, its kind of unsuportted without some basic hacks
[18:10] <mikeyv> shadeslayer_: i tried installing lates madwifi driver and comcat-wireless drivers
[18:11] <fungos> when using audio in kubuntu other applications that try to use audio or locks or are muted. why this? I'm using PulseAudio as audio backend
[18:11] <shadeslayer> mikeyv: what about bcmcutter?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> mikeyv: we need your ethernet up and working first
[18:11] <mikeyv> but when i do lshw -C network i get network UNCLAIMED
[18:12] <shadeslayer> mikeyv: first of all please pastebin the output of lspci.
[18:12] <mikeyv> http://pastebin.com/m32a54cac
[18:16] <shadeslayer> mikeyv: um i said lspci
[18:16] <mikeyv> ok, do you have a moment, cause it's on the same laptop ( dual boot ) i'll boot my other laptop and join the chan
[18:17] <shadeslayer> mikeyv: sure
[18:20] <mikeyv> brb
[18:22] <mikeyv> i'm back
[18:22] <mikeyv> booting laptop to Kubuntu now
[18:22] <shadeslayer> mikeyv: sure just ping back with my name
[18:22] <shadeslayer> i meant nick :P
[18:23] <mikeyv> ok :)
[18:23] <mikeyv> shadeslayer: what info do you need from lspci ?
[18:24] <Malin_> hm... can't activate desktopeffects...
[18:24] <shadeslayer> mikeyv: the card no. of wired and wireless
[18:24] <Malin_> The NVIDIA driver is reinstalled and works well with 3D-games
[18:25] <Malin_> like urban terror
[18:25] <mikeyv> 05:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communcations Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[18:26] <mikeyv> 09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5764M Gigabi Ethernet PCIe (rev 10)
[18:26] <mikeyv> shadeslayer: see previous 2 threads
[18:27] <shadeslayer> mikeyv: yeah saw them... i might be a bit slow in replying
[18:27] <mikeyv> no problem
[18:27] <Malin_> it is fixed.. never mind
[18:29] <shadeslayer> mikeyv: http://is.gd/6WNqr
[18:31] <shadeslayer> mikeyv: youll have to go through the search results,kinda busy right now :)
[18:31] <Pabloo> how can I limitate bandwith for one computer from home network? conected by wifi philips router
[18:31] <mikeyv> shadeslayer: ok thanks bbl
[18:31] <shadeslayer> mikeyv: just check the two links i gave you earlier too
[18:36] <[Relic]> anyone remember how to get rid of that annoying dual color, list thing in 8.04?  where it flips from black to white to black to white on the text background for all directory lists, etc.
[18:37] <linopolus> Why is firefox-installer instead of firefox or (better) aurora/rekonq installed by default?
[18:38] <bulldog98> rekonq needs 0.4 then it will be more usable
[18:38] <bulldog98> and upstream says it isn't yet for standardwebbrowser
[18:38] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: well i use rekonq git and its quite good
[18:39] <shadeslayer> arora isnt that KDE'ish enough i guess
[18:39] <shadeslayer> linopolus: ff is a renowned browser thats why... was default till 9.10 Beta 2 i think
[18:39] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: err, never been default in Kubuntu IIRC
[18:40] <Tm_T> [Relic]: change "alternate background" in color settings
[18:40] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: um i think it was... it was there by default in the menu launcher...
[18:40] <shadeslayer> and it was mentioned that theyre changing it back to konqueror
[18:41] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: oh ok, then I haven't been following it close enough (:
[18:41] <[Relic]> Thanks  :)
[18:41] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha3/Kubuntu
[18:41] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: thanks
[18:43]  * GinoMan is upgrading to the latest version
[18:43] <shadeslayer> GinoMan: RC 2?
[18:43] <GinoMan> ... no
[18:43] <shadeslayer> GinoMan: then?
[18:44] <GinoMan> aptitude upgrade
[18:44] <GinoMan> :)
[18:44] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I provid a git pakage of git and I know that its quite stable
[18:45] <GinoMan> ok let me rephrase that, I'm updating
[18:45] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: yeah apart from the fact it freezes sometimes :)
[18:46] <joh6nn> hey all, just checking in to mark my wifi issue as solved: turned out i needed the madwifi atheros driver; i wouldn't call it a perfect solution, but it's WAY better than it was
[18:46] <shadeslayer> joh6nn: you were mikeyv earlier?
[18:46] <joh6nn> shadeslayer: nope.  joh6nn, all the time
[18:47] <shadeslayer> joh6nn: maybe you can help mikeyv
[18:47] <shadeslayer> joh6nn: he has a atheros card too :P
[18:47] <joh6nn> can certainly try
[18:47] <joh6nn> mikeyv: you around?
[18:47] <shadeslayer> joh6nn: he has a Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter
[18:48] <joh6nn> someone in another channel passed me this wiki page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Atheros
[18:49] <shadeslayer> mikeyv: ^^
[18:49] <joh6nn> the very bottom of the page has instructions on finding the binary blob madwifi driver
[18:49] <shadeslayer> he will notice it when he comes back :P
[18:49] <joh6nn> yeah.  i'll stick around for a bit, too, just in case
[18:49] <shadeslayer> joh6nn: sure :)
[18:52] <mbana> why is resizing so slow
[18:53] <shadeslayer> mbana: its the same
[18:53] <mbana> no ive just swtiched from gnome.  resizing a window is quiet slow
[18:53] <mbana> quite
[18:54] <shadeslayer> mbana: do you have nepomuk indexing enabled?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> and which KDE
[18:54] <kolasis> which driver to get for geforce nvidia 5200fx?
[18:55] <mbana> ive got a nvidia 512mb
[18:55] <mbana> i forget the model name
[18:55] <mbana> shadeslayer: don't know
[18:55] <mbana> this is just after install
[18:55] <rmrfslash> Anyone having "Problem with audio playback" with Skype?
[18:56] <shadeslayer> rmrfslash: did you select alsa in the settings?
[18:56] <rmrfslash> no such option
[18:57] <rmrfslash> i read that on a few forums
[18:57] <shadeslayer> rmrfslash: what do you have as the options?
[18:58] <rmrfslash> I go to the listbox menu at the bottom-left of the GUI, select Options, select the Sound Devices tab and I can configure Microphone Speakers and Ringing.
[18:58] <rmrfslash> I select Speakers
[18:59] <shadeslayer> rmrfslash: in the output devices what are your options?
[18:59] <rmrfslash> Default, a couple for HDA ATI HDMI, rawbluetooth and bluetooth
[19:00] <shadeslayer> rmrfslash: ok does it work with default?
[19:00] <rmrfslash> no
[19:00] <shadeslayer> mbana: idk whats the problem then sorry :(
[19:00] <shadeslayer> rmrfslash: ok tried all the options?
[19:01] <rmrfslash> Yes... I've tried every option.
[19:01] <rmrfslash> apply, play test sound
[19:01] <rmrfslash> doesn't work for any
[19:01] <rmrfslash> nor does selecting one, hitting apply and restarting skype (I don't even hear the default sign on sound)
[19:01] <rmrfslash> and alsa is not an option.... not sure why
[19:03] <rmrfslash> kmix hardware info shows: Sound drivers supported: ALSA + OSS Sound drivers used: ALSA
[19:03] <shadeslayer> rmrfslash: try : alsamixer : in a konsole and set everything to high
[19:03] <dk> здравсть всем
[19:03] <shadeslayer> and then try again woth default,thats all i know about troubleshooting skype,it started working after that :P
[19:03] <shadeslayer> !ru | dk
[19:04] <rmrfslash> shadeslayer: not the problem. Skype says "Problem with Audio PLayback" when I go to make a call
[19:05] <shadeslayer> rmrfslash: hmmm no idea then
[19:05] <rmrfslash> I think the kmix GUI does the same as alsa mixer
[19:05] <shadeslayer> rmrfslash: try the latest beta or something :P
[19:05] <rmrfslash> i.e. when I adjust something in kmix it is adjusted accordingly in alsomixer
[19:05] <rmrfslash> just fyi
[19:06] <shadeslayer> rmrfslash: yeah i know,but alsamixer has more channels by default
[19:06] <rmrfslash> I see only the ones enabled in kmix
[19:06] <rmrfslash> did I miss a tab or something?\
[19:07] <rmrfslash> nope
[19:07] <DeeTah> let's say I have two pulseaudio servers on my two PC's - one laptop and one desktop. is it possible for the laptopish pulseaudio server to switch between outputting the sound from speakers to another server?
[19:07] <shadeslayer> rmrfslash: you enabled the extra channels in kmix? then theyre the same
[19:08] <rmrfslash> I enabled extra channels (I think)
[19:08] <rmrfslash> there are some channels in kmix that I don't have or didn't come enabled
[19:09] <DeeTah> anyone got any idea (or at least where to look for support?)
[19:09] <shadeslayer> rmrfslash: no idea then,google is your friend
[19:09] <shadeslayer> DeeTah: google?
[19:09] <mbana> shadeslayer: resizing is slow
[19:09] <rmrfslash> google has yet to come up w/ a fix (that works)
[19:10] <DeeTah> shadeslayer: kinda hard to figure out a keyword
[19:10] <shadeslayer> mbana: no idea :P
[19:10] <shadeslayer> DeeTah: no idea :p
[19:10] <shadeslayer> rmrfslash: thats new :)
[19:12] <rmrfslash> yeah.... or I'm getting to the point in my old age that I'm unwilling to go through the process on every little thing that's decides not to work. I upgraded to 9.10 and at first audio wasn't working at all (though this skype issue wasn't working before on 9.04).
[19:12] <rmrfslash> so at least I'm *back* to just skype not working
[19:12] <rmrfslash> which is sad.
[19:13] <rmrfslash> oh and I had like 5 seconds to install the proprietary ATI fglrx before the open source video driver stopped working.... on second though I could have booted in recovery mode but, eh....  it was more fun to race the clock.
[19:13] <rmrfslash> stopped working = crashed
[19:14] <rmrfslash> another story to tell
[19:14] <rmrfslash> and wonder why I would punish myself by installing kubuntu on a laptop.... with onboard ATI.... and wanted to use skype.
[19:14] <rmrfslash> that's just asking too much :)
[19:15] <rmrfslash> at least I got everything else working.... but there's always that one thing.
[19:15] <rmrfslash> mbana: resizing is slow... are you talking about with "compiz" on?
[19:20] <mbana> rmrfslash: yes (i tihnk)
[19:21] <rmrfslash> I noticed this as well.... and bringing windows back from being minimized
[19:22] <shadeslayer> kwin + Compiz != good combo ;)
[19:31] <kolasis> DOES UBUNTU USE NV DRIVER OR NOUVEAU?
[19:34] <shadeslayer> kolasis: depends on what you want to use
[19:34] <shadeslayer> !caps | kolasis
[19:34] <rmrfslash> When I start skype from the command line I get bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111)
[19:34] <bulldog98> in 9.10 Ubunutu will use nouveau
[19:34] <rmrfslash> so that could be a hint
[19:35] <bulldog98> 10.04 i ment
[19:35] <rmrfslash> is it trying to use bluetooth? "bt_audio"
[19:35] <rmrfslash> wtf skype
[19:40] <kolasis> i get this error on boot
[19:40] <kolasis> failed to load nvidia module, no drivers exist
[19:43] <kolasis> failed to load nvidia module, no drivers exist
[19:48] <djlight> privet
[20:00] <titan_ark> silence?
[20:00] <Tm_T> indeed, quiet evening
[20:01] <titan_ark> :)
[20:01] <titan_ark> Tm_T: i am facing trouble with my battery indicator!
[20:01] <titan_ark> everytime i put it to sleep and relog in it does not detect my battery
[20:01] <Tm_T> sorry, no idea about those
[20:01] <titan_ark> hmmm
[20:01] <titan_ark> cant figure it out
[20:02] <titan_ark> damn
[20:03] <shadeslayer> YAHHOOOOOOOOO! :P
[20:03] <robin0800> titan_ark: its not been working for the last week I think because they removed? hal
[20:03] <shadeslayer> that enuf noise for ya? :D
[20:04] <Tm_T> robin0800: who removed where?
[20:04] <titan_ark> robin0800: oh
[20:04] <titan_ark> i was facing the same thing when i was on wubi install and thought it was cos of the wubi
[20:05] <robin0800> titan_ark: I'm pretty sure it's because HAL has been depreciated and power deamon depends on HAL
[20:06] <titan_ark> hmmm
[20:06] <titan_ark> and cos of that if i am not plugged into AC it keeps switching back to sleep/ hibernate a few times
[20:06] <titan_ark> troublesome :(
[20:06] <titan_ark> anyway to set it right?
[20:07] <titan_ark> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20100114
[20:07] <titan_ark> whoa i see so many
[20:10] <robin0800> titan_ark: I think the main problem is the battery is not being detected or detected wrongly hence all those bugs
[20:11] <titan_ark> robin0800: yes, i remember checking some folder when i was on wubi there it only detected the AC0 and not the BAT0
[20:11] <titan_ark> but after a reboot it works perfectly
[20:12] <robin0800> titan_ark: Only sometimes for me
[20:12] <titan_ark> oh
[20:12] <titan_ark> this is a regular thing i am facing now
[20:12] <titan_ark> i thought it was a wubi bug:P
[20:16] <mbana> what's the shortcut key for moving between desktops
[20:16] <mbana> and the shortcut key for moving a window to another desktio
[20:18] <konraddo> hi, i wonder if KDE would work nicely on  typical netbook (1,6GHz, 1gb of RAM, 160GB HDD)
[20:18] <konraddo> KDE4*
[20:19] <Tm_T> konraddo: sure it does, that's plenty
[20:20] <konraddo> hmm, but netbooks aren't so fast :p
[20:20] <titan_ark> interesting, now when i change screen brightness from mpwr management, it does not make any difference
[20:20] <konraddo> i'm considering to buy a netbook and  use Kubuntu on it
[20:20] <konraddo> :)
[20:20] <Tm_T> konraddo: well, I run Kubuntu in laptop with 256 MiB ram and it does it fine...
[20:20] <robin0800> titan_ark: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2#Hal%20removal
[20:20] <konraddo> tm_T, KDE4?
[20:20] <Tm_T> konraddo: ofcourse
[20:21] <konraddo> uh, ok, nice :p
[20:21] <titan_ark> Tm_T: how do u manage that? i had to switch to xubuntu, kubuntu or ubuntu never let me install on my old box P4 1.9gig with 256 Megs RAM
[20:21] <titan_ark> robin0800: thx a ton, shall check that
[20:21] <Tm_T> titan_ark: installing is problem yes, so I install with alternate cd, then it just works
[20:22] <Tm_T> I ofcourse drop all services I don't need, it helps
[20:23] <titan_ark> Tm_T: ah okay, i had tried with that too, and there was some problem and someone helpful on irc suggested xubuntu
[20:23] <Tm_T> titan_ark: in my experience XFCE isn't that much lighter anyway (:
[20:23] <titan_ark> Tm_T: :D
[20:23] <mbana> ?
[20:23] <konraddo> does anybody used BenQ netbooks? they are cheaper than Lenovo, Asus, and other netbooks.... i wonder about their quality :>
[20:23] <Tm_T> !ot | konraddo
[20:24] <konraddo> ok ;p
[20:24] <titan_ark> i had fun with that as my 1st longtime linux install
[20:24] <mbana> what's the shortcut key for moving between desktops
[20:24] <mbana> and the shortcut key for moving a window to another desktio
[20:24] <Tm_T> mbana: alt+F-keys for switching between desktops, I think
[20:26] <konraddo> i used to use gnome, but i installed kubuntu today.... KDE4 is really awesome :D
[20:27] <mbana> didn't work
[20:27] <titan_ark> robin0800: are u suggesting i switch to the alpha version?
[20:27] <Tm_T> titan_ark: no he is not
[20:29] <titan_ark> robin0800, Tm_T: i remember using a new test kernel (ending in 32. something) someone suggested that, and that problem was solved with it  i think.
[20:29] <titan_ark> but supposedly there is no support for it
[20:29] <robin0800> titan_ark: only if you want too and have no data you don't mind loosing
[20:30] <titan_ark> robin0800: well i dont have much data on this boot but i do on my win7 boot, so cant risk it
[20:31] <GinoMan> what would cause an MP3 to be significantly longer when played then what the mp3 says it's length is
[20:31] <titan_ark> plus i have been doing so many isnatlls in jan, i am gonnaget sick at the thought of requiring to do it again
[20:34] <mbana> so two issues; the slow resizing
[20:34] <mbana> what's up with that
[20:45] <soee> do u have the same in kde 4.4 rc2: when trying to add widget to panel if i scroll widgets list, there is only empty space and when i want to cloase the widgets panel, plasma crashes and starting again ?
[20:45] <hal28> saluti a tutti
[20:46] <ToxinPowe> soee, same for me
[20:46] <ToxinPowe> 4.4 rc2
[20:46] <soee> ToxinPowe: ok thnx so i have confirmed thaths not my pc issue
[20:46] <soee> ToxinPowe: are u using panel @ the top of the screen maybe ?
[20:47] <ToxinPowe> no
[20:47] <soee> ToxinPowe: can u create one for test?
[20:47] <ToxinPowe> sure
[20:48] <soee> ToxinPowe: so pls create one and open panel settings and close it
[20:49] <soee> ToxinPowe: and tell me if there is still some part of the panel graphics on the screen after closing it so u must refresh screen or click on screen do clear it up
[20:49] <mbana> kwin is slow comapred to compiz.  i wonder hwy
[20:49] <mbana> why
[20:50] <ToxinPowe> soee same problem even with other user
[20:50] <soee> ToxinPowe: ok thank u
[20:52] <ToxinPowe> no problem
[21:05] <michael___> hi everyone! I was wondering if someone could point me in the direction of some documentation that would help me make my pc automatically mount usb drives when I plug them in. I've been search for awhile and am not having any luck. I use kubuntu 9.10 fresh install.
[21:05] <shadeslayer> michael___: KDE 4.4 autmounts drives
[21:06] <michael___> shadeslayer: I didnt think kubuntu 9.10 was using KDE 4.4 yet.
[21:07] <shadeslayer> michael___: its in the beta backports
[21:08] <michael___> shadeslayer: KDE 4.3.2 here. Do you know how to fix my problem with my version of KDE? Are you suggesting I upgrade? Is it easily done?
[21:09] <eitreach> How do I auto-mount my external drive with my music so that Amarok 2 doesn't have to re-scan it every time I boot my machine?
[21:09] <mbana> after turning on compiz in kde, im getting those annoying sounds from the OS when i click something.  how do i turn it off
[21:10] <shadeslayer> michael___: 1) its a RC release so the upgrade is up to you
[21:10] <shadeslayer> michael___: 2) you can very easily upgrade to 4.4 via 3 commands
[21:11] <michael___> shadeslayer: It's a fresh install so I haven't configured anything or copied my files on it yet (i need the external drive for that) so i wouldnt mind trying it out if you could tell me those commands.
[21:11] <shadeslayer> michael___: again this is a RC and it might crash ( although highly unlikely )
[21:12] <shadeslayer> michael___: press alt+F2 and type konsole
[21:12] <michael___> shadeslayer: I understand that, I'm willing to give it a shot.
[21:12] <michael___> shadeslayer: ok
[21:13] <shadeslayer> michael___: that will open a terminal then type : sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[21:13] <Kolia> shadeslayer: no automount before 4.4? sounds weird
[21:13] <shadeslayer> Kolia: yeah i know
[21:13] <shadeslayer> Kolia: it was a feature request only in 4.4
[21:13] <michael___> shadeslayer: ok
[21:14] <shadeslayer> michael___: do the same thing for : ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[21:14] <shadeslayer> michael___: done?
[21:14] <michael___> shadeslayer: I tried OpenSuse11.2 and it didn't have a problem mounting my external drives..  ok
[21:14] <shadeslayer> michael___: you can mount them fine in kubuntu too,but not automount them
[21:15] <michael___> shadeslayer: ok, next?
[21:15] <shadeslayer> michael___: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:17] <michael___> shadeslayer: it's downloading, So I guess the steps would be similar when the stable 4.4 is out?
[21:18] <shadeslayer> michael___: nope,just do the last one
[21:19] <michael___> shadeslayer: easy!
[21:19] <shadeslayer> michael___: told you so :)
[21:20] <shadeslayer> michael___: after upgrading right click the device notifier icon and see the automount comun
[21:20] <shadeslayer> *column
[21:23] <michael___> shadeslayer: Do you happen to know when the stable will be released?
[21:23] <shadeslayer> michael___: yeah in mid fev
[21:23] <shadeslayer> *feb
[21:24] <shadeslayer> michael___: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Release_Schedule#February_9th.2C_2010:_Release_KDE_SC_4.4
[21:25] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: know how to build packages?
[21:25] <michael___> shadeslayer: Soon! Thanks for the link, Well it looks like it's finished upgrading, should I restart first?
[21:25] <shadeslayer> michael___: um do you see a restart button?
[21:25] <shadeslayer> (in the task bar)
[21:25] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, no, never looked into it
[21:26] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: im almost finished and then apachelogger had to go some where :P
[21:26] <BluesKaj> you're talking about debs I presume
[21:26] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: yeah
[21:26] <michael___> shadeslayer: I know how to restart I was just surprised it didn't prompt me to do that after it completed. I'll do that now, brb.
[21:26] <shadeslayer> michael___: just log out and press alt+E
[21:27] <shadeslayer> michael___: you dont have to restart everytime
[21:27] <michael___> shadeslayer: ok.
[21:27] <shadeslayer> michael___: only kernel upgrades require a restart :)
[21:28] <GinoMan_> this is great.... kwin keeps crashing
[21:28] <Kolia> michael___: usually not, this is not windows ;)
[21:29] <shadeslayer> Kolia: hes gone
[21:30] <BluesKaj> my fstab file is blank after the last upgrade'''no ntfs access
[21:31] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: make a new one then :P
[21:31] <BluesKaj> too lazy
[21:31] <GinoMan_> EXPLETIVE GRAPHICS DRIVERS!!!!!
[21:31] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: i keep mine backed up :P
[21:32] <BluesKaj> never had this happen before, shadeslayer
[21:32] <scunizi> shadeslayer: check /etc and see if there is a system backup of fstab.. typically fstab~ or fstab.backup<date>
[21:33] <shadeslayer> scunizi: ?
[21:33] <shadeslayer> scunizi: i think you mean BluesKaj
[21:33] <scunizi> shadeslayer: yep .. sorry.. did you see that BluesKaj
[21:33]  * BluesKaj checks for bak
[21:34] <scunizi> ls fst*
[21:35] <michael___> shadeslayer: It's not without it's problems but the device notifier actually displays my external drive now. Unfortunately I have to turn of desktop effects because all the plasma seems to be duplicated. strange.
[21:36] <shadeslayer> michael___: ah you mean there are 2 taskbars and stuff?
[21:37] <michael___> shadeslayer: it appears that way, when i disable desktop effects everyhing looks fine.
[21:37] <shadeslayer> michael___: can you imagebin a screenshot?
[21:38] <shadeslayer> with the desktop effects
[21:38] <michael___> shadeslayer: sure.
[21:38] <shadeslayer> michael___: you do know the site i believe
[21:38] <michael___> shadeslayer: i believe so.
[21:39] <shadeslayer> michael___: kool :)
[21:40] <xero> hey guys i have a partition mounted as /storage and i was wondering how come i dont have ownership how do i read wright to it?
[21:41] <xero> says im not the owner
[21:41] <xero> how do i become owner i have root password but theirs no place to type it in
[21:41] <scunizi> xero: sudo chown <username:username> /path/to/partition
[21:41] <michael___> shadeslayer: http://imagebin.org/81677
[21:41] <xero> thanks you so much
[21:42] <scunizi> michael___: that is wierd
[21:42] <michael___> shadeslayer: yeah really!
[21:43] <xero> it says operation not permitted micheal
[21:43] <shadeslayer> michael___: one sec :)
[21:43] <xero>  sudo chown xero:xero /storage dosent work
[21:43] <xero> not permitted
[21:43] <shadeslayer> michael___: oh i know the problem...  do : mv .kde .kde_old : logout and login back
[21:44] <scunizi> xero: did it look similar to this.. sudo chown xero:xero /media/storage
[21:44] <xero> kinda only without media
[21:44] <xero> because its mounted as /storage
[21:44] <shadeslayer> michael___: that will reset everything to default while preserving your current configs
[21:44] <scunizi> xero: most mounts are in /media despite it saying /storage.. check it out .. ls /media
[21:45] <michael___> shadeslayer: I should probably tell you when I logged out previously I could not log back in (dont know how i guess?) so i restarted the machine.
[21:45] <xero> it says no such directary
[21:45] <xero> when i type /media/storage
[21:45] <shadeslayer> michael___: well it should work now
[21:45] <scunizi> xero: type.. ls /media .. and see what's in it..
[21:45] <xero> just a sec
[21:46] <michael___> shadeslayer: "mv .kde .kde_old" ?
[21:47] <shadeslayer> michael___: yes
[21:47] <michael___> shadeslayer: oh i see the underscore disappears
[21:47] <shadeslayer> michael___: um no
[21:47] <xero> im so cunfused
[21:47] <xero> my /storage is /storage but it says i cant chown it
[21:47] <xero> what the hell :(
[21:48] <michael___> shadeslayer: confused. if i type the command as you said it, it says "mv: target 'old' is not a directory"
[21:48] <xero> chown: changing ownership of `/storage': Operation not permitted
[21:48] <xero> ???
[21:49] <scunizi> xero: what was in /media?
[21:49] <xero> not /storage
[21:49] <scunizi> xero: what was in /media?
[21:49] <xero> just my cd player and stuff
[21:49] <shadeslayer> michael___: eh... try : mv .kde .kde-old
[21:49] <xero> disks
[21:49] <xero> everything but my mounted partition storage
[21:49] <scunizi> xero: how did you mount it?
[21:50] <xero> i used a program
[21:50] <scunizi> what program
[21:50] <xero> it was originaly mounted
[21:50] <Guest78055> voice chat not working gyachi. can anyone help me
[21:50] <scunizi> xero: try .. ls /dev/storage .. see if you get a listing
[21:50] <xero> storage device maniger
[21:51] <xero> so such file
[21:51] <xero> or folder
[21:52] <gsteinert> hey all =)
[21:52] <shadeslayer> michael_: did it work?
[21:52] <gsteinert> im having issues using sudo (and su)with Kubuntu 9.10
[21:52] <xero> im messing with it now hold up
[21:53] <gsteinert> if i run any command using sudo (or any GUI app that uses root privelidges) it seems to lock up
[21:53] <gsteinert> the terminal displays no output
[21:53] <shadeslayer> gsteinert: use kdesudo
[21:53] <shadeslayer> !kdesudo | gsteinert
[21:54] <gsteinert> shadeslayer: the same applies to command line programs (such as apt-get) and also have the same trouble using kdesudo
[21:54] <shadeslayer> gsteinert: are you typing the password?
[21:55] <gsteinert> shadeslayer: yes, it prompts for the password, i type it and hit enter, then it does nothing
[21:55] <xero> sudo chown xero:xero /media/Storage wont allow says not permitted  i remounted it their but it still dosent work gona headbut mointor soon
[21:55] <scunizi> xero: is the partition named Storage or storage?  caps make a difference
[21:56] <shadeslayer> gsteinert: 1) Use kdesudo 2) try : sudo apt-get update : and check whether it locks up
[21:56] <xero> Storage
[21:56] <xero> not storage
[21:56] <xero> should i change to lowercase?
[21:57] <gsteinert> shadeslayer: locks up both times
[21:57] <scunizi> xero: don't need to.. try sudo fdisk -l .. it will list your partitions .. mostly with sda1, sdb1 etc. type references.. see if one is labeled Storage
[21:57] <gsteinert> shadeslayer: a restart fixes it, if only temporarily (sorry, should have mentioned it befpre_
[21:57] <gsteinert> *before
[21:57] <shadeslayer> gsteinert: i hope you didnt use kdesudo with apt :P
[21:57] <erghezi> i cant access to my tty ( when i press Alt+Ctrl+F1 to F6)
[21:57] <michael_> shadeslayer: that worked thanks!
[21:57] <gsteinert> shadeslayer: haha! nope, kate =P
[21:58] <erghezi> is there any way to fix ttys?
[21:58] <shadeslayer> gsteinert: no error messages either?
[21:58] <xero> ok thx
[21:58] <shadeslayer> gsteinert: do you have : kdesudo
[21:59] <xero> its sda6
[21:59] <shadeslayer> !info kdesudo | gsteinert
[21:59] <xero> /dev/sda1   *           1        1824    14651248+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[21:59] <xero> /dev/sda2            1825        3648    14651280   83  Linux
[21:59] <xero> /dev/sda3            3649       19457   126985792+   5  Extended
[21:59] <xero> /dev/sda5            3649        3952     2441848+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[21:59] <xero> /dev/sda6            3953       19457   124543881    b  W95 FAT32
[21:59] <FloodBotK2> xero: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:59] <xero> xero@Lxt9-i386:~$
[21:59] <xero> did you see that?
[21:59] <scunizi> xero: you could .. sudo mkdir /media/
[21:59] <scunizi> oops
[21:59] <xero> why would i makedir?
[21:59] <xero> their allredy is a /media/storage
[22:00] <scunizi> xero: sudo mkdir /media/Storage .. then sudo mount /dev/sda6 /media/Storage
[22:00] <gsteinert> shadeslayer: no, no output at all (except for the password prompt)
[22:00] <shadeslayer> gsteinert: and what about kdesudo? do you have it installed?
[22:01] <gsteinert> shadeslayer: also, i have just tried logging on to tty1 and 2 with my own user and root user respectively, they both print out the welcome message (last login, linux ver, packages to be updated) then lock up in the same way
[22:01] <xero> mount: /dev/sda6 already mounted or /media/Storage busy
[22:01] <xero> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda6 is already mounted on /media/Storage
[22:01] <michael_> shadeslayer: yes, I'm not sure where the option to change the plasma theme has gone but so far so good! thanks very much!!
[22:02] <gsteinert> shadeslayer: yes, kdesudo is installed
[22:02] <scunizi> xero: then try this again with the right caps.. sudo chown <username:username> /media/Storage ..
[22:02] <shadeslayer> michael_: its in appearence > style > Workspace
[22:03] <michael_> shadeslayer: ah, nice!
[22:03] <xero> nope still doswent work
[22:03] <xero> it currently owned by root
[22:03] <xero> should i tyupe chown root:root?
[22:04] <scunizi> xero: no.. then you'd be giving owner and group of root the permissions.. it already has it..
[22:04] <xero> oh ok then whats wrong i wonder ;(
[22:04] <xero> :(
[22:04] <scunizi> xero: try unmounting it with .. sudo umount /media/Storage .. and see if it unmounts
[22:06] <xero> ok so
[22:06] <xero> i unmounted it
[22:06] <xero> ls /media/Storage nothing inside then i remounted dev sda6 and now it has stuf in it again
[22:06] <xero> so yes it unmounted
[22:07] <scunizi> xero: ok. now remount it with the command line.. sudo /dev/sda6 /media/Storage ..
[22:07] <scunizi> try chowning it again..
[22:07] <xero> ok
[22:08] <xero> not permitted
[22:08] <xero> a;lkdjg;alkjdga lol so angry
[22:09] <scunizi> xero: since this is a fat partition you might need to look at mount commands to add read/write to the mount line in some fashion.. sorry I don't know what it is.
[22:09] <daskreech> xero: What are you trying to do?
[22:10] <xero> trying chown /media/Storage but it says not permitted skreech
[22:10] <xero> and i tryed mounting and unmounting it
[22:10] <daskreech> What file system is it?
[22:10] <xero> fat 32
[22:10] <daskreech> and why are you chowning it?
[22:10] <xero> so i can download stuff to it
[22:10] <daskreech> how did you mount it?
[22:10] <xero> wont let me till i chown to xero
[22:10] <xero> sudo umount /media/Storage
[22:11] <shadeslayer> daskreech: my first upload to a PPA :D
[22:11] <daskreech> shadeslayer: Whoot :)
[22:11] <daskreech> hi ilumi
[22:11] <shadeslayer> daskreech: use fb?
[22:11] <daskreech> xero: that's unmounting
[22:11] <daskreech> shadeslayer: If by use you mean avoid at all costs then yes
[22:11] <xero> yeah they i sudo mount /dev/sda6 /media/Storage
[22:11] <xero> to put it back
[22:11] <ilumi> daskreech: heyhey
[22:11] <shadeslayer> daskreech: daskreech :D
[22:12] <daskreech> xero: sudo umount /media/Storage && sudo mount /dev/sda6 /media/Storage -o umask=0022
[22:12] <xero> thx ill try that
[22:13] <xero> ok i did that
[22:13] <xero> now try?
[22:13] <xero> still not permitted ;(
[22:14] <vittorio> hi
[22:15] <xero> any other ideas?
[22:15] <daskreech> xero: sudo umount /media/Storage && sudo mount /dev/sda6 /media/Storage -o umask=0022,user=xero
[22:17] <xero> ok ill try
[22:18] <xero> sudo mount /dev/sda6 /media/Storage -o umask=0022,user=xero
[22:18] <xero> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda6,
[22:18] <xero>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[22:18] <xero>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[22:18] <xero>        dmesg | tail  or so
[22:18] <FloodBotK2> xero: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:20] <sobersabre> hi guys. is there a lockout tool for kubuntu ? I want to block MOST users' access to the CDROM device, or maybe a more fine grain control - to allow say DATA disks, but not VCD/DVD/Audio.
[22:20] <xero> no luck
[22:20] <sobersabre> so 1. is there an admin lockout tool ?
[22:20] <xero> missing codepage
[22:20] <sobersabre> 2. is it possible to control finer grained stuff I mentioned ?
[22:21] <xero> im out of ideas
[22:21] <xero> any other idea screach
[22:21] <daskreech> xero: hold on it works with umask but not user ?
[22:21] <sobersabre> xero: what what what ?
[22:21] <xero> yeah
[22:21] <xero> exdactly skreech
[22:22] <Alien2> sobersabre, no such thing as "lockout," but you can create a group to permit access to the CD-ROM device, then place only those users who need access into that group
[22:22] <xero> what do i do now :(
[22:22] <daskreech> xero: try taking out umask for that last one and just use user
[22:22] <Alien2> as for number 2, that would need some rather complex software support which I don't think exists, or at least isn't well known
[22:23] <xero> =nope
[22:23] <xero> dosent work
[22:23] <xero> says bad operation or something
[22:23] <daskreech> ha
[22:23] <sobersabre> Alien2: as I understand, if I install only KDE, and no other tools, I may be able to simply disable things like access protocols of the kio-slave (If I got that name properly), and maybe a protocol handler's file permissions could come handy too.
[22:23] <xero> with the -o user=xero
[22:24] <daskreech> ok mount it with just the Umask and then type mount | grep Stor and give me that line
[22:24] <sobersabre> Alien2: and it's a shame there's no user policy tool for KDE, since GNOME IIRC DOES have such tool.
[22:24] <Alien2> sobersabre: no matter what KDE does, the device itself is controlled by basic user permissions -- trying to lock it down via kio-slave or similar is like trying to protect a door with a sheet of paper
[22:25] <daskreech> sobersabre: There is
[22:25] <sobersabre> Alien2: I understand I will have to chmod the device file.
[22:25] <daskreech> It's in KDE 4.4
[22:25] <sobersabre> daskreech: well, what's its name ?
[22:25] <KjetilK> there wouldn't happen to exist some debs for the akonadi interface to Google apps: http://bisscuitt.blogspot.com/2009/06/howto-kde-4-and-google-pim-data-akonadi.html ?
[22:25] <daskreech> Kauth.. something
[22:28] <shadeslayer> daskreech: apparently my GPG key wasnt uploaded :P
[22:30] <sobersabre> daskreech: I'm looking at a related blog, it seems it's kind-of-API, and I'm not sure KDE4.4 apps have all been rewritten with it...
[22:30] <sobersabre> have they ?
[22:32] <daskreech> sobersabre: I'd doubt it :)
[22:32] <daskreech> Since some KDE 4 apps haven't finished being written
[22:33] <sobersabre> daskreech:
[22:34] <sobersabre> I see, is there a policy kit frontend in Kubuntu ?
[22:35] <daskreech> Yes that's the plan moving forward
[22:37] <sobersabre> daskreech: I don't understand: do you mean it's good I'm moving forward, or do you mean KDE DOESN'T have policy kit editor, and I will have to improvize ?
[22:37] <sobersabre> sorry, improvi*s*e
[22:39] <daskreech> sobersabre: I mean it does and more work will be poured into both the client and having apps follow PolicyKit movingforward
[22:43]  * KjetilK finds akonadi-kde-resource-googledata:
[22:45] <Alien2> I am not sure why you would want to control access to the CD-ROM in the first place
[22:45] <shadeslayer> daskreech: it built :o
[22:45] <Alien2> except perhaps to prevent burning of discs
[22:46] <daskreech> sobersabre: http://identi.ca/conversation/19915263#notice-19915263
[22:53] <slow-motion> n8
[22:56] <vidal> hola
[23:07] <Alien2> You are printing the value as a signed, that's all
[23:07] <Alien2> dangit, wrong channel
[23:08] <daskreech> :-)
[23:08] <GinoMan_> so.... why is kwin crashing, and why is the fglrx module that loaded itself into the kernel in 9.04 not working in 9.10
[23:08] <daskreech> GinoMan_: needs to be rebuilt for the kernel ?
[23:08] <GinoMan_> has been rebuilt
[23:08] <GinoMan_> It's a new install of 9.10
[23:09] <GinoMan_> only thing that's the same is the home dir
[23:09] <daskreech> kwin can be crashing for any number of reasons. Try running it from the command line or at least install -dbg packages so when it crashes you can report a backtrace
[23:09] <GinoMan_> tried that, backtraces remained useless no matter what debug packages I installed
[23:10] <GinoMan_> and libGL was appearantly the one that needed the debug versions because it had the ?? next to it in the original backtrace
[23:10] <GinoMan_> so I have a feeling that whatever these problems are, they're connected
[23:11] <daskreech> Sounds like the driver is calling some GL things that don't mesh well
[23:11] <daskreech> Does kwin crash reliably when you do something?
[23:11] <gigasoft> how to turn off compiz config
[23:11] <daskreech> ccsm
[23:12] <GinoMan_> as soon as I log in and crashes everytime I try to restart it
[23:13] <daskreech> GinoMan_: As soon as you start it?
[23:13] <daskreech> How are you starting it?
[23:13] <GinoMan_> if I try to manually restart it "kwin --replace &"
[23:13] <GinoMan_> in run
[23:13] <GinoMan_> or a terminal
[23:13] <daskreech> do kwin --replace 2> ~/kwinerrors
[23:14] <daskreech> That should get you a text file as to why it's crashing
[23:14] <daskreech> GinoMan_: if you want I can try helping to replace the config
[23:14] <daskreech> Or have you tried that already?
[23:14] <GinoMan_> hold on
[23:14] <GinoMan_> what do you guys use for a pastebin?
[23:15] <GinoMan_> n/m
[23:16] <GinoMan_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/362237/
[23:18] <GinoMan_> is what is in the terminal after running the command
[23:18] <GinoMan_> replacing the config?
[23:19] <daskreech> GinoMan_: kwin --replace gives you something similar?
[23:19] <GinoMan_> yes
[23:19] <GinoMan_> the & just backgrounds the task so I can run the command line while it's running if it were to succeed
[23:21] <GinoMan_> I don't have to ^z it
[23:21] <daskreech> GinoMan_: I know
[23:22] <daskreech> GinoMan_: ok type mv ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc ~/kwinrc.broke && kwin --replace
[23:26] <GinoMan__> sorry about that
[23:26] <GinoMan__> stupid internet
[23:32] <daskreech> GinoMan__: Ok
[23:34] <GinoMan__> so what do you think?
[23:34] <daskreech> GinoMan_: ok type mv ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc ~/kwinrc.broke && kwin --replace
[23:36] <GinoMan__> still crashed
[23:36] <daskreech> Same crash?
[23:38] <GinoMan__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/362248/
[23:38] <GinoMan__> appears to be the same crash
[23:45] <daskreech> GinoMan__: What version of kwin is this?
[23:46] <GinoMan__> Qt: 4.5.2
[23:46] <GinoMan__> KDE: 4.3.2 (KDE 4.3.2)
[23:46] <GinoMan__> KWin: 4.3.2 (KDE 4.3.2)
[23:46] <FloodBotK2> GinoMan__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:47] <GinoMan__> sigh.... it was only 3 lines?
[23:48] <daskreech> GinoMan__: use paste.ubuntu.com
[23:48] <daskreech> hi DarkriftX
[23:48] <daskreech> whoops
[23:49] <daskreech> hi DarkwingDuck
[23:49] <daskreech> sorry DarkriftX
[23:49] <GinoMan__> kwin is 4.3.2
[23:50] <DarkwingDuck> hey daskreech
[23:51] <daskreech> DarkwingDuck: What's up?
[23:51] <DarkwingDuck> Not much. Docs and football
[23:52] <shadeslayer> and building debs
[23:52] <daskreech> :-D
[23:52] <shadeslayer> daskreech: just uploaded choqok alpha packages too :P
[23:53] <shadeslayer> lets see if they get accepted
[23:54] <daskreech> DIdn't they have an RC ?
[23:57] <shadeslayer> daskreech: nope still in alpha
[23:57] <shadeslayer> and the packages got accepted again :P
[23:58] <shadeslayer> uploaded for lucid too :D
[23:58] <shadeslayer> daskreech: use choqok ?
[23:58] <daskreech> Yes
[23:58] <daskreech> stopped it crashing today
[23:58] <shadeslayer> daskreech: will you try out my packages?
[23:58] <shadeslayer> :P
[23:58] <daskreech> ok
[23:59] <shadeslayer> daskreech: 32 bit?


[18:06] <tekeous> Out of curiosity, how many of you are in close proximity to Corvallis/Albany?
[18:06] <tekeous> Other than the OSU Linux group, I haven't been able to find a LUG in my area
[20:01] <nacc> tekeous: there is a corvallis ubuntu community, i think
[20:01] <nacc> tekeous: they have ubuntu hours, check the ubuntu-us-or ML archives