[00:59] <MrBusiness> Anyone in here willing to answer a question concerning an md RAID array?
[01:01] <holstein> !ask | MrBusiness
[01:02] <MrBusiness> Noted
[01:04] <MrBusiness> I sometimes boot my machine, which is running /home off of a RAID1, built from two disks using md. Sometimes the machine will claim, shortly after clearing through the GRUB menu, that the RAID is degraded. However, when I boot, I can see no obvious problems with either disk. /proc/mdstat reports that both disks appear to be fine. SMART tools don't report anything that seems outstandingly onerous, and both disks appear to have perfectly fine superblock
[01:04] <MrBusiness> s. What else can I check?
[01:08] <holstein> i would probably just keep trying to isolate... test each drive on its own... test the controller
[01:08] <holstein> i would see if there are any bugs relating to that specific RAID hardware
[01:08] <MrBusiness> which sorts of tests would I want to perform on the drive and controllers?
[01:09] <MrBusiness> Also, which RAID hardware do you mean? The disks and the controllers? The RAID itself, near as I can tell, is a software one.
[01:09] <holstein> i would test each drive... i like using live CD's for that.. smart test or whatever like you said you have done
[01:09] <holstein> MrBusiness: any piece of hardware that would use a kernel driver is what im talking about
[01:09] <MrBusiness> Ah, ok
[01:10] <holstein> but, i would take the drives out of the array, which i assumed a hardware setup... i would test them individually
[01:10] <holstein> thats about it.. removing variables, and testing
[01:10] <holstein> test the ram
[01:11] <MrBusiness> Alright. Any particular advantage in running from a Live CD over simply using the smart tools on the system as it usually boots? I always tell the thing to boot degraded, and it always comes up despite the whining, so I'm inclined to think that it is merely a fluke.
[01:12] <holstein> i just have some tools/tests i like to use... i say whatever tools you trust, use em... but if you run a test on a hard drive that doesnt take an hour or so, i wouldnt trust it
[01:12] <holstein> the advantage is going to be *actually* knowing, instead of being where you are now, wondering if a drive is bad
[01:13] <MrBusiness> Yes. Alas, I seem to be the weak link here. Not sure which devices and metrics I really trust here. The only thing I know for sure is that the system appears to be working, and it only complains about the degraded RAID once every other reboot or so.
[01:14] <holstein> then, i wouldnt sweat it
[01:14] <MrBusiness> Alrighty. I agree with that assessment. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't some miraculous diagnosis I was unaware of. I appreciate your advice, sir!
[01:15] <holstein> anytime... you can try the server channels too... might find more folks with RAID setups
[01:15] <MrBusiness> server channels? which ones are those?
[01:15] <holstein>  #ubuntu-server
[03:44] <ldc> Can someone help me with Chromium?
[03:45] <holstein> !ask | ldc
[03:47] <ldc> right sorry...Chromium says that there isnt a plugin for running Runescape, but I dont have too much trouble with youtube.
[03:48] <holstein> i would try chrome
[03:49] <ldc> id rather not, that would require using wine
[03:49] <holstein> i well, it needs java
[03:49] <holstein> not flash
[03:51] <holstein> its loading for me right now in chrome.. i dont have chromium in front of me, but its got nothing to do with WINE
[03:51] <ldc> ?
[03:51] <holstein> ldc: im not using wine
[03:52] <ldc> hmm, I thought u had to wine chrome...
[03:52] <holstein> its just chrome, in linux.. opening the game... with java
[03:52] <holstein> you *should* be able to get it working just fine in chromium
[03:52] <al4nc4ds> testing... http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Xubuntu-12-04-Beta-1-Screenshot-Tour-2.jpg/
[03:52] <al4nc4ds> very nice
[03:52] <holstein> its not flash though... i think thats where you are having issues.. its got nothing to do with youtube/flash.. its java
[03:53] <holstein> if you dont have java installed....
[03:53] <ldc> ok, now that my synaptic is done I'm going to get java...
[03:55] <Unit193> icedtea plugin for browser.
[03:55] <holstein> thats why i usually end up using chrome.. seems like some of the prompting is funny in chromuim, and some other little things here and there
[04:03] <ldc> ok, that worked. Thanks alot.
[07:36] <Ileden> Hi! Is there a way to configure xfce4-notifyd so that the notifications are dismissed on mouseover - and *only* on mouseover?
[10:47] <jadoe> How do I set the default sound card? Xubuntu keeps switching between my normal onboard sound chip and hdmi audio.
[10:48] <jadoe> nevermind, found it
[10:49] <jadoe> (at least a way to switch back manually)
[11:41] <Ileden> Does anyone know if there's some nice way to make notifications (from xfce4-notifyd) disappear after a mouseover, and only after a mouseover?
[12:29] <alexandru4392> hello
[12:33] <alexandru4392> got a python program but it requires videocapture.Where can i get ir
[12:33] <alexandru4392> it
[12:33] <alexandru4392> it
[12:33] <alexandru4392> ?
[12:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> alexandru4392, try in #python
[12:37] <alexandru4392> join #python
[12:52] <lodi> hi all
[12:54] <lodi> can someone tell me where the apilcations icons are  located
[13:10] <vins_> why does    brasero/nautilus/rythmbox   appeared  on my system  12.04  ?  i didnt install those
[13:14] <lodi> thinks installs by default
[13:15] <vins_> no..
[13:15] <vins_> yeah?  in 12.04 it will?
[13:16] <vins_> ive been running the 12.04 since  a long time  ..  and now it just appeared
[13:16] <lodi> Oh ok did you do an update? recently
[13:18] <lodi> 12.04 or 10.04
[13:18] <vins_> there are  some updates everyday
[13:18] <vins_> 12.04
[13:18] <vins_> latest  beat
[13:18] <vins_> beta
[13:19] <lodi> ah could be included when it changed to beta 1? not sure if you can see what updates were installed.
[13:20] <vins_> ok..
[13:20] <vins_> i have to fly , ciao
[13:20] <lodi> do you have 12.04 as an live cd? if so boot into it and check if brasero etc is included
[13:20] <vins_> its installed
[13:21] <lodi> ok
[14:05] <aracnoide> hallo, somebody have a tablet pc?
[14:06] <aracnoide> noone?
[14:06] <baizon> not me
[14:07] <aracnoide> there are drivers for ntrig-duosense?
[14:57] <Marzata> a good photo printer with a Linux (Ubuntu, Xubuntu) support?
[15:01] <bazhang> Marzata, check at linuxprinting.org once you have selected a printer/before you buy it
[15:02] <Marzata> bazhang: thanks
[15:03] <bazhang> HP are generally pretty good
[15:17] <TimothyObryan> anyone knows of a good packagemanager for latex in xubuntu? one like miktex in win
[16:09] <holstein> i would probaly just use miktex TimothyObryan https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MiktexPackageManager ,though i dont have any personal experience
[16:11] <TimothyObryan> holstein:  well the thing is: the pacakge manager and tools are different things
[16:11] <TimothyObryan> they only seem to offer the tools for the ubuntu users, not the package manager
[16:12] <holstein> Unfortunately there is no ubuntu package for MPM so you need to compile it yourself. Fortunately it is easy enough to compile.
[16:12] <Os_Maleus> TimothyObryan: I, actually, don't have anything installed like MikTeX. can it happen that this is only needed for Win?
[16:13] <holstein> yeah... i would try and find a latex user and ask about the workflow... a first hand workflow
[16:14] <TimothyObryan> Os_Maleus: im trying to get my hands on a package called tkz-euclide
[16:15] <TimothyObryan> but i have no idea how to install an individual package manually, only big repositories
[16:16] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware pretty much covers all the cases
[16:17] <Os_Maleus> hmmm. I am actually a newbe regarding Linux and TeX. so, I am using actually only the LyX. this was simply to install without any MikTeX-package. ... in contrast to the installation under Windows.
[16:18] <TimothyObryan> holstein: let's say we forget about the installation bit, and just focus on finding the package of interest.
[16:18] <TimothyObryan> i think my friend can help me install the thing, i just need to find it.
[16:18] <holstein> TimothyObryan: right, but you might not need it... is it a dependancy?
[16:19] <TimothyObryan> holstein: im trying to get a visual off my latex document
[16:19] <TimothyObryan> it tells me cant find tkz-euclide.sty
[16:19] <TimothyObryan> which means i cannot proceed unless i have the package installed
[16:20] <TimothyObryan> so yes, i depend on it
[16:21] <holstein> TimothyObryan: i would go to the project maintainer, or try and find a suer that is doing what you want to be doing
[16:21] <Os_Maleus> TimothyObryan: but this is just an additional package You could download from e.g. here (http://altermundus.fr/pages/tkz.html). or not
[16:21] <holstein> mabye think bigger picture... ask "i am trying to do X" instead of "im trying to get X running and having ths error"
[16:21] <Os_Maleus> this is just a style. isn't it?
[16:21] <holstein> maybe there is a better/easier way to do what you are trying to do in linux
[16:22] <TimothyObryan> ok
[16:22] <Os_Maleus> TimothyObryan: and then You would just need to bind it in into Your preamble. or am I wrong?
[16:23] <holstein> http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/43844/tkz-euclide-sty-cannot-be-found suggestsremoving hte distro packages
[16:23] <TimothyObryan> first i have to tell latex where my package is
[16:25] <TimothyObryan> thanks for all your help anyway.
[18:31] <leo-unglaub> hey, is there a netinstall alternate image for xubuntu 12.04?
[18:31] <leo-unglaub> my usb drive broke and my old one is ony 512 mb large *g*
[18:33] <TheSheep> leo-unglaub: you can netinstall ubuntu-server and then install xubuntu-desktop on it
[18:33] <hobgoblin> not sure if there is actually a seperate xubuntu one, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[18:33] <hobgoblin> or do what TheSheep said :)
[18:34] <hobgoblin> not that what I gave is any help either - sorry
[18:34] <leo-unglaub> yes, but i just found the 11.10 there
[18:34] <leo-unglaub> hmmm, and doing a dist upgrade in the server version is..possible, but a bandwith probem
[18:34] <leo-unglaub> because @home i have a very sucking inet connection
[18:40] <null-> doesn't ubuntu server and desktop use differente optimized kernels?
[18:44] <hobgoblin> leo-unglaub: do you want the 12.04 mini iso link?
[18:45] <leo-unglaub> yes
[18:45] <hobgoblin> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[18:45] <hobgoblin> lots of updates since then though
[18:47] <null-> since beta1?
[18:47] <hobgoblin> yep
[18:47] <hobgoblin> I've had ~100Mb I think
[18:47] <hobgoblin> 40 today more or less
[18:48] <hobgoblin> though that said it's had f/fox and t/bird I think - tends to whack it up
[18:49] <null-> that's good, they are working hard towards next release :)
[18:50] <hobgoblin> yep
[18:50] <hobgoblin> the few bugs I've had are almost all gone now
[18:52] <null-> I'm going to wait for beta2 :)
[18:53] <hobgoblin> I've been running it since before alpha on and off - constantly since alpha2
[18:55] <null-> reported any bugs?
[18:55] <Os_Maleus> how can you find out the model of your hard drive, on which the system is running?
[18:55] <hobgoblin> null-: couple - and me too'd some
[19:04] <genii-around> Os_Maleus: sudo lshw -C disk    will show you extensive disk info. The line for each drive which says: logical name  are the device names like sda sdb and so on. So the logical name which corresponds to the disk on which your / is mounted , means that that is the one
[19:07] <Os_Maleus> genii-around: Thanks!
[19:07] <genii-around> Os_Maleus: You're welcome
[19:18] <rattatoue> I just installed Xubuntu 11.10. When I put a cd/dvd into the drive it doesn't automount it or load it. Any suggestions on what I need to do?
[19:24] <tomasz1982> Hi.
[19:25] <tomasz1982> Could anyone help me with Xubuntu 12.04 beta 64bit installation?
[19:25] <tomasz1982> I am having an unusuall problem I can't deal with myself.
[19:27] <tomasz1982> #xubuntu-offtopic
[19:27] <Unit193> !ask | tomasz1982
[19:28] <tomasz1982> Okay :)
[19:30] <genii-around> tomasz1982: Details of what the unusual problem is may help
[19:30] <tomasz1982> I am having an odd problem when installing Xubuntu 12.04 64bit Beta. I run the installation from pendrive. All is fine until I hit the user creation screen. The installation freezes at this point. I tried to wait the other time for the files to copy and they did. It's the user creation screen that I can't get pass through.
[19:34] <tomasz1982> !patience
[19:35] <Unit193> Yep, if you don't get an answer here within 30 minutes, try #ubuntu+1. (I personally can't help as I haven't ever run 64bit, but the install for 32bit beta worked for me)
[19:38] <tomasz1982> Do you think a leftover from previous Ubuntu 11.10 with Xfce install could be causing problems?
[19:39] <Unit193> You could open gparted and nuke the partition just to make sure.
[19:39] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta1#Xubuntu Didn't have any warnings.
[19:41] <tomasz1982> I want to avoid that. I have Debian 6.0 installed and /home is on another partition.
[19:41] <Unit193> Ah, I see.
[19:58] <ronsonol> How do I specify that /dev/sdb1 is not to be regarded a removable volume by the desktop.  I have it in fstab as mount point none noauto.
[20:54] <JJC2012> !time
[21:23] <pmsalves> hello. I have an issue with libopenal 32bit in a AMD64 machine running Ubuntu64. Could someone help me?
[21:26] <well_laid_lawn> what's the issue pmsalves ?
[22:11] <ChristopherNg> hello...
[22:11] <ChristopherNg> i want to say thanks for the help i got in this room the other night..
[22:11] <ChristopherNg> it really solved all my problems and was what i was looking for..
[22:11] <ChristopherNg> now basically, I dont know if we have any devs from xubuntu here...
[22:12] <ChristopherNg> but... we are a group of post grads looking to do a project.
[22:12] <ChristopherNg> so we want to know what we cant do to help
[22:12] <ChristopherNg> we have an interest in the development an enterprise resource management system for ubuntu based distros
[22:13] <Myrtti> uuuerrrr
[22:13] <Myrtti> knome! ^ fresh meat :-D
[22:14] <Unit193> They want to know what they *can't* do to help?
[22:14] <knome> ChristopherNg, join us at #xubuntu-devel and introduce yourself to people :)
[22:14] <knome> ChristopherNg, we're starting the planning for the Q cycle some time soon
[22:14] <knome> Myrtti, ta. could you also take my back pains away?
[22:16] <Myrtti> knome: hang from a pull up bar
[22:16] <Myrtti> alternatively, lay on your back with your feet against the wall, knees forming a 90 degree angle
[22:16] <Myrtti> hth, hand
[22:17] <knome> Myrtti, well i've done some good stretching directed by a physiotherapist and to-be-osteopath
[22:18] <mongy> hot bath helps me
[22:25] <ThePendulum> So... is there anything new in Xubuntu 12.04 that's worth updating for?
[22:26] <holstein> i like to get on, and stay on the LTS's for the longevity... thats a reason
[22:26] <mongy> it's LTS
[22:26] <mongy> worth a bit on it's own imo
[22:26] <holstein> i think 12.04 is shaping up to be a strong one too
[22:27] <knome> i think that can be said of any xubuntu release
[22:27] <ThePendulum> Are their any graphical changes, or just the back-end?
[22:27] <knome> there is no reason not to update
[22:27] <holstein> sure.. there are newer packages. check out a daily :)
[22:28] <knome> ThePendulum, yes, graphical changes too.
[22:28] <ThePendulum> Could you give me an example?
[22:28] <ThePendulum> I am about to try it
[22:28] <knome> ThePendulum, new wallpaper.
[22:28] <ThePendulum> Well, the default wallpaper doesn't last long anyway
[22:28] <knome> ThePendulum, fixes for the greybird theme, better GTK3 compatibility
[22:28] <knome> ThePendulum, icon theme improvements
[22:29] <ThePendulum> Still the same authentication screen?
[22:29] <knome> unfortunately yes
[22:30] <knome> but even if i care about artwork myself... i wouldn't take a new login screen as a reason to upgrade :P
[22:30] <ThePendulum> Hmm, pity. Doesn't matter too much though, I only get to see it for 5 seconds a week
[22:30] <ThePendulum> There are these people claiming that eyecandy doesn't matter. But I have to admit, if a UI is pretty, it just works better for me
[22:30] <ThePendulum> I don't get distracted by ugliness lol
[22:30] <ThePendulum> And Xfce pretty much nails it
[22:31] <knome> of course. that's why there are people who work on artwork
[22:31] <ThePendulum> Or let me put it this way; it allows me to nail it
[22:31] <ThePendulum> 'New wallpaper' is the first thing that a lot of people say about 12.04, but don't most people change it to their own wallpaper after a fresh install?
[22:32] <knome> maybe. but you asked for examples
[22:32] <knome> that's the simplest examples out there
[22:33] <ThePendulum> True that
[22:33] <knome> anyway, i need to go to bed to stop my back from hurting
[22:33] <ThePendulum> Hehe
[22:33] <ThePendulum> I guess I'll just install it on a VM
[22:33] <ThePendulum> And see for myself
[22:33] <knome> mm-hmm
[22:34] <knome> good luck
[22:34] <ThePendulum> 'night then
[22:34] <ThePendulum> Thanks
[22:34] <knome> nighty everybody
[22:34] <knome> ThePendulum, np :)
[22:35] <ThePendulum> He, that 'nighty' reminded me of A Clockwork Orange somehow
[22:35] <ThePendulum> Naughty naughty naughty...
[22:36] <mongy> I'm not one for defaults but I'll be upgrading for other reasons.
[22:37] <ThePendulum> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25683105/Pictures/Screenshots/2012030722%3A36%3A34%28General%29.png
[22:37] <ThePendulum> That's mine atm
[22:37] <ThePendulum> Not default, but not thát altered either
[22:39] <rattatoue> I need a little help, cd/dvds are not being mounted automatically in my xubuntu install
[22:40] <ThePendulum> Have you had a look at the Removable Drives and Media window in the Settings Manager?
[22:42] <rattatoue> ThePendulum, yes, everything seems to be setup there fine. I havent changed any settings at all. Its been this way since the default install
[22:42] <ThePendulum> Removable media is on auto-mount then?
[22:42] <ThePendulum> And you're sure the discs you're trying are all non-defect?
[22:42] <rattatoue> ThePendulum, yes, I just double checked all removable is set to automount
[22:43] <ThePendulum> You are able to mount the discs manually though?
[22:44] <rattatoue> ThePendulum, no
[22:44] <ThePendulum> Oh, hmm
[22:44] <ThePendulum> And you're sure both the optical drive and the media worked before?
[22:44] <rattatoue> ThePendulum, yes. The drive works fine on Windows and I even tried four different media
[22:45] <rattatoue> ThePendulum, I even changed the fstab and when I go to mount the sr0 it says something about superblock or bad option or something.
[22:45] <ThePendulum> Have you tried to sudo mount?
[22:45] <rattatoue> ThePendulum, yes
[22:46] <rattatoue> "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0,
[22:46] <rattatoue>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[22:46] <rattatoue>        (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
[22:46] <rattatoue>        ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
[22:46] <rattatoue>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[22:46] <rattatoue>        dmesg | tail  or so
[22:46] <rattatoue> "
[22:47] <ThePendulum> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/mount-wrong-fs-type-bad-option-bad-superblock-on-dev-hdc3-373428/
[22:47] <ThePendulum> The problem seems to be fixed there
[22:48] <GridCube> ThePendulum, :3 this is mine http://imagebin.org/202675
[22:48] <ThePendulum> Hehe, not bad :)
[22:48] <ThePendulum> Btw, imgur doesn't have the huge ad :o
[22:49] <rattatoue> ThePendulum, is there a command to find out what /dev is my cdrom?
[22:50] <ThePendulum> rattatoue: Let me check that for you
[22:51] <ThePendulum> Yes
[22:51] <ThePendulum> Make sure your disc is mounted
[22:51] <ThePendulum> And simply type 'mount' in the terminal
[22:51] <ThePendulum> It shows a list of all your devices
[22:51] <ThePendulum> And a cdrom is mounted to /media
[22:51] <rattatoue> ThePendulum, I meant before its mounted. Since I want to make sure its /dev/sr0
[22:51] <ThePendulum> Ah
[22:54] <ThePendulum> I'm not sure it's even possible
[23:10] <rattatoue> ThePendulum, sudo lshw -C disk will show you what your cdrom drive is /dev
[23:10] <rattatoue> GridCube, what is the weather thing on that image you have?
[23:11] <ThePendulum> Thanks for sharing that!
[23:34] <GridCube> rattatoue, its a screenlet
[23:35] <rattatoue> GridCube, ah cool I will have to try one of those :)