[09:18] <speakman> I was thinking more like pixel-smooth scrolling for Chrome and overall better touchpad support. I've been pretty spoiled by Mointain Lion :)
[12:06] <speakman> Just got my Magic Mouse. Seems like there's stuff to do. :)
[12:13] <bregma> speakman, there is much to do on the magic mouse, it's a nontrivial task
[12:31] <speakman> I see. Should I be using evdev or synaptics to start with?
[12:35] <bregma> see what it defaults to, I think it defaults to evdev
[12:42] <speakman> yep, but it seems like I can't set scrolling settings in evdev
[12:42] <speakman> (or I don't know how)
[12:48] <speakman> But evdev seems to only get keypress events when I'm scrolling. How can I make it work as smooth as two-finger scroll on a mousepad?
[13:44] <bregma> speakman, if you want the two-finger scrolling, you have to switch to synaptics
[13:44] <bregma> it will work more like a separate touchpad that way, but it's probably closer to the experience you're looking for
[13:45] <bregma> you may need to jiggle settings in the Mouse and Touchpad panel, too
[13:48] <speakman> OK, thanks! Since I do not use an xorg.conf at all currently, is there a way to change driver from evdev to synaptics without it?
[13:48] <speakman> Or can I just specify the driver alone in an xorg.conf?
[13:53] <bregma> speakman, you need to tweak some settings in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and unfortunately I'm so rusty on which ones I'm not too useful
[14:04] <speakman> bregma: ok, I didn't even knew there were a ".d" directory. Is there a name for such? /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and /etc/apache2/conf.d/ etc?
[14:05] <speakman> I don't have such directory either :/
[14:05] <bregma> odd
[14:06] <bregma> I know the xserver-xorg-input-evdev package installs files into that directory, for a start
[14:09] <speakman> ops! Was looking in /etc/ when it should be /usr/share/. How come settings files are in /usr/share/ btw?
[14:10] <bregma> I don't know, it's an x.org thing I guess
[14:11] <bregma> the /usr/share settings are application defaults, the /etc/X11 settings are local system defaults and override the /usr/share ones
[14:29] <dandrader> bregma, is there any way for me to make configure use, say, "-ggdb -O0" instead of "-g -O2"? I've been manually replacing these in the genereated configure script, but I suppose there's a better way that I'm unaware of
[14:30] <dandrader> setting the CFLAGS or CPPFLAGS environment variables before running configure doesn't help
[14:30] <bregma> CXXFLAGS="-O0 -ggdb3" ./configure ....
[14:30] <bregma> or set CXXFLAGS before running make
[14:31]  * dandrader tries out
[14:31] <bregma> and verify with "make V=1"
[14:31] <dandrader> that V=1 trick I was aware of
[14:31] <dandrader> -ggdb3?
[14:32] <dandrader> "man gcc" doesn't show that...
[14:32] <bregma> gdb3 includes DWARF level 3 debugging symbols, 1 more than the default
[14:34] <dandrader> it worked with CXXFLAGS :) thanks!


[21:08] <Aremis117> anddam |  There should be something in options for unity to treat every display individually.  Thought I use mate and haven't played with unity in a long time.  Its in the same menu as having the side bar on every screen though.
[21:09] <anddam> Aremis117: I figure I get the panel
[21:09] <anddam> btw anything about having more verbose output from deja-dup?
[21:09] <anddam> my user can ssh into the configured ssh host, and I have my pub key in remote authorized
[21:09] <anddam> also my remote user can write in the target folder
[21:11] <anddam> I tried running it manually but it doesn't have a --verbose, and DEJA_DUP_DEBUG=1 suggested at http://askubuntu.com/a/191003 has no (apparent) effect
[21:11] <anddam> I tried    env DEJA_DUP_DEBUG=1 deja-dup --backup
[21:11] <anddam> I expected some more output in CLI but I just got the gtk window with "permission denied" displayed
[21:12] <anddam>  ~/.cache/deja-dup is empty
[21:12] <Aremis117> anddam |  Theres also features like the OSX style magnify stuff that you could use 9IE hold cntrl + alt + mousewheel up or down to zoom in).
[21:13] <anddam> Aremis117: oh that's nice, I used to use that quite often on macos
[21:14] <pavlos> ZeptoByte, I thought you were trying to recover the existing system, hence the link
[21:17] <ZeptoByte> pavlos, Yeah I was, but it didn't look like I could get it to work again :/ Anyways now i'm reinstalling the system
[21:17] <pavlos> ZeptoByte, ok
[21:17] <Aremis117> anddam |  Yeah there should be something like that available to you.p
[21:18] <ZeptoByte> I didn't loose any important data. I just need to use some time, setting everything up again..
[21:18] <ZeptoByte> But thank you so much for your help, anyways. pavlos
[21:19] <pavlos> ZeptoByte, np
[21:19] <ZeptoByte> I
[21:20] <ZeptoByte> I've always been suprised, of how nice the ubuntu community is. ;)
[21:21] <anddam> Aremis117: the Screen Display pane, the one that allows you to say "put dock in all monitors", cannot split Universal Access, it can only switch between mirroring and split screen
[21:21] <anddam> Aremis117: but the Universal Access setting will be global
[21:23] <RedPenguin> hello all
[21:23] <RedPenguin> I know of cron for scheduled tasks, but is there any thing similar to Windows's Task Scheduler to run a GUI/bash script, I can see open up in a terminal and see in foreground vs background?
[21:24] <Aremis117> anddam |  I remember something like enabling one screen for accessibility options or something like that.  Maybe I'm just thinking of the 12.04 beta :\
[21:24] <Aremis117> Sorry
[21:25] <anddam> oh damn, I typed in a wrong path, that's why deja-dup wasn't working
[21:25] <anddam> Aremis117: np, thanks for the info
[21:26] <anddam> how can I add a dot folder in a Gtk file dialog?
[21:27] <anddam> nvm, right click "show hidden files"
[21:27] <OerHeks> ctrl H
[21:27] <anddam> I'd like to be able to type in a path tho', is there such a thing in Gtk's file dialog?
[21:28] <astemir> help me please
[21:29] <scottjl> astemir: state your problem
[21:34] <anddam> scottjl: just hepl!
[21:34] <anddam> and ragequit
[21:35] <scottjl> maybe their link was the problem?
[21:36] <anddam> I have an actual problem with CUPS and Broterh MFC-250C printer (multifunction inkjet)
[21:37] <anddam> I installed lpr and CUPS wrapper deb packages from manufacturer, CUPS correctly recognizes the USB printer and assign the proper driver, but then jobs are simply accepted and immediately marked as completed but the printer doesn't do a thing
[21:37] <anddam> I don't know where to get more info
[21:37] <nacc> anddam: if you are using debs from the mfr, probably from them
[21:38] <anddam> I mean from logs or so,there are no issues or error in CUPS logs
[21:38] <unstablevet> when i use lsusb i cant see my integrated webcam what do i need to do from there?
[21:38] <anddam> nacc: pfff, I figure it's magnificent on their side already to even have bothered about providing those in first place
[21:38] <nacc> anddam: or just use a printer that works with linux
[21:39] <anddam> nacc: trying to be smart, with wise suggestions?
[21:39] <nacc> anddam: if cups isn't logging anything, then i'm not sure if it's not the printer or driver
[21:39] <nacc> anddam: at which point, you'd need to ask the driver author for how to debug
[21:39] <anddam> nacc: nothing that I can see, I checked the logs from web ui
[21:39] <anddam> anyway, I'll try again tomorrow, I'm tired now
[21:40] <anddam> thanks for the attention anyway
[21:42] <Simonious> tried apt-get update, got: Err:6 http://apt.puppetlabs.com trusty Release.gpg  The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 7F438280EF8D349F
[21:43] <Simonious> tried: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver apt.puppetlabs.com --recv-keys 7F438280EF8D349F      //this seems to hang forever
[21:43] <Simonious> is there a correctly solution here?
[21:43] <nacc> Simonious: wouldn't that be a question for the puppetlabs repository owner?
[21:44] <Simonious> nacc: perhaps?
[21:44] <OerHeks> Simonious, here is a clue .. Puppet Labs Release Key expires soon https://tickets.puppetlabs.com/browse/CPR-317
[21:44] <Pici> Simonious: have you tried it recently? It may have been affected by the AWS outage.
[21:44] <Simonious> Pici: ahhh, good point!
[21:44] <Pici> I know some of the mirrors I use were...
[21:45] <Simonious> Pici: hmm, still failing
[21:45] <Pici> Simonious: You're not meant to replace the keyserver name in the command, try with just keyserver.ubuntu.com
[21:46] <Simonious> ooo, that looks better!
[21:51] <Kazuto> I feel like my whole VPS is exploding. Every time I try to update my packages, I get told “Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1),” each sudo command tells me my hostname refuses connection, and ZNC can't read my config. Where the hell do I start troubleshooting?
[21:53] <nacc> Kazuto: pastebin the first case (full command all the output)
[21:54] <lafleurdubien> does anyone here have experience writing tutorials for Digital Ocean?
[21:54] <Kazuto> nacc: Including the update output?
[21:54] <nacc> lafleurdubien: doesn't seem topical for this channel? maybe #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:54] <nacc> Kazuto: probably doesn't hurt, but I was mostly interested in the comamnd that leads to the error
[21:55] <Kazuto> nacc: `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`
[21:56] <Kazuto> I'll get the full output in a sec
[21:56] <nacc> Kazuto: ok
[21:57] <unstablevet> can someone assist me please
[21:57] <Kazuto> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24086554/
[21:59] <kalwnau> t
[22:01] <nacc> Kazuto: wow, have you not updated in some time?
[22:02] <Kazuto> nacc: Yeah, I know, it's been about two months
[22:02] <nacc> Kazuto: that's terrible, for it's own reason
[22:02] <nacc> Kazuto: esp. in a droplet, which means you're 100% insecure
[22:02] <nacc> Kazuto: but whatever, that paste doesn't have the relevant output
[22:02] <Kazuto> That's the only output though
[22:02] <nacc> Kazuto: did you use pastebinit?
[22:02] <Kazuto> Pastebinit?
[22:02] <nacc> Kazuto: oh i see, it just put it in the middle, sorry
[22:03] <nacc> Kazuto: seems suspicious that it's around package 1000
[22:03] <nacc> Kazuto: have you tried using `apt` rather than `apt-get`? `apt update; apt full-upgrade`. Just curious if it's a tooling issue
[22:03] <Kazuto> I'll try it
[22:03] <Bashing-om> unstablevet: No help until the issue is known, state the problem .
[22:04] <unstablevet> i cant seem to find my integrated webcam when i use lsusb or lspci I'm not sure where to go from there
[22:04] <Kazuto> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24086583/
[22:05] <nacc> Kazuto: ok, run `sudo apt-get -f install`
[22:05] <Bashing-om> unstablevet: I would run ' tail -f /var/log/syslog ' in terminal and see if the system picks up when the cam is connected .
[22:06] <Kazuto> nacc: Running now
[22:07] <Kazuto> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24086595/
[22:07] <unstablevet> bashing-om: nothing happened just have the  >
[22:08] <LVDSXorg> Hi, I installed 16.04 on an older laptop that has RS880M graphics card, and I know current xorg doesn't support it. Is this the reason why my display resolution is stuck at 1600x900 ? I tried added undetected resolution but my screen goes blank
[22:10] <nacc> Kazuto: why do you have old 14.04 kernels on your system?
[22:10] <Kazuto> nacc: ?
[22:10] <nacc> Kazuto: in any case, it doesn't look like any failures from that command
[22:10] <nacc> Kazuto: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-110-generic
[22:11] <Simonious> Are the network problems still going on?
[22:11] <Kazuto> nacc: No idea. Could that be a problem?
[22:12] <Kazuto> I'm basically at the point where I'm going to save all of my work off-site and re-flash the system though
[22:12] <Bashing-om> unstablevet: xtl+c to close that terminal . and open a new terminal ( ctl+alt+t - unity ) . and in this terminal type ' tail -f /var/log/syslog ' . And nothing else . In this terminal is the tail of the log and the (-f) is to see all that gets added to the log file . Terminate the logging in that terminal with ctl+c . to return to CLI prompt .
[22:12] <nacc> Kazuto: yes, you might as well, tbh, if that's an option
[22:13] <Kazuto> Alright. Thanks for your help, nacc! I'll hang out here until it's done, then I'll rejoin on ZNC.
[22:16] <LVDSXorg> when I do xrandr -q, I see my display to be LVDS, should I use LVDS-0 when adding a new mode ?
[22:17] <LVDSXorg> Thing is when I try to change my resolution, I get a black screen. I am not sure why
[22:19] <OerHeks> LVDSXorg, no, LVDS is correct https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Dynamically_testing_different_resolutions
[22:19] <unstablevet> bashing-om:what specifically would i look out for?
[22:21] <LVDSXorg> oh okay OerHeks. Any idea why I get the black screen though ? should I play with the rate ? I am trying to get 1920x1080 60
[22:21] <Bashing-om> unstablevet: Whatever is reported when the cam is connected . That would be my starting point .  It seems to have installed ok except that I cant open websites in firefox. I can connect to the router and I can ping. Eg ping <IP_ADDRESS>.
[22:26] <genii> clissold345: #ubuntu+1 is the official place for Zesty until it reaches actual release
[22:26] <dbarton> clissold345: execute a "dig example.net" in your console
[22:27] <dbarton> genii: didn't know about #ubuntu+1… thanks :)
[22:28] <Apachez> in ubuntu, is there a "good" way to run a specific command AFTER user logged into the gui AND network is up and running?   does for example network-manager have a postinit script that it can trigger once network is up and running?
[22:29] <clissold345> genii, I'll try there. Thanks.
[22:30] <dbarton> Apachez: in case you use systemd, you could add a service unit (w/ oneshot command) and add it to the correct target (network.target if I'm not completly wrong)… but I think ubuntu uses upstart by default
[22:35] <Apachez> yeah if I add an app in startup applications it seems to be working as expected
[22:35] <Apachez> but so would gigolo also do but gigolo fails since network isnt up yet when it runs
[22:35] <Apachez> so "proper" way to do this would be to locate a trigger of network up and mount as the user
[22:52] <Renji666> Ciao a tutti
[23:04] <Apachez> is it possible to disable the unmount option for a user when acting on a gvfs mount?
[23:04] <Apachez> like in nautilus
[23:08] <eightfold> hi there
[23:08] <eightfold> how should i upgrade python 2 to python 3
[23:08] <eightfold> i'm running 16.10
[23:09] <nacc> eightfold: you don't
[23:09] <nacc> eightfold: you run the correct interpreter as needed
[23:09] <nacc> eightfold: both are present (python is python 2 and python3 is python 3)
[23:09] <eightfold> nacc: ok, but i need to install a program via pip
[23:09] <eightfold> and i requires python 3
[23:09] <eightfold> and it
[23:09] <nacc> eightfold: pip3
[23:09] <dbarton> eightfold probably change the shebang to python3
[23:10] <nacc> eightfold: python3-pip rather
[23:10] <nacc> eightfold: use the correct pip for the correct environment
[23:10] <eightfold> nacc: ok, so apt install pip3?
[23:11] <nacc> eightfold: python3-pip iirc
[23:11] <eightfold> argh, somebody told me i'd get the latest version by issuing apt install pip
[23:11] <k1l> !info python3-pip
[23:11] <nacc> eightfold: there is no package named pip
[23:11] <eightfold> nacc: do i need to uninstall something first, in order not to introduce chaos
[23:11] <k1l> eightfold: but are you sure that python package is not in the repos already=
[23:11] <nacc> eightfold: no
[23:12] <nacc> eightfold: python2 and python3 are in separate paths
[23:12] <nacc> eightfold: and 'latest' is relative to ubuntu, of course, not upstream
[23:12] <eightfold> k1l: what python package?
[23:12] <nacc> eightfold: what python package are you trying to install eventually?
[23:12] <eightfold> ok, i'll install python3-pip
[23:12] <k1l> eightfold: python2 and python3 are installable at the same time. so not to get a mess all pyhton3 stuff is named python3
[23:13] <k1l> eightfold: the python package you want to install with pip
[23:14] <lerner> what command do I need to start a program in 2 hours time?
[23:15] <dimisdas> Sleep
[23:15] <mcphail> lerner: "at"
[23:16] <eightfold> ok, fail. "Exception: Sorry, Python 2 is not supported"
[23:16] <nacc> eightfold: where and what command?
[23:16] <eightfold> even though i installed python3-pip
[23:16] <nacc> eightfold: no context makes it impossible to help you
[23:16] <nacc> eightfold: use a pastebin
[23:16] <eightfold> pip install --user wpull
[23:16] <nacc> eightfold: that's because, as I just said, it's pip3
[23:16] <nacc> eightfold: pip3 to use python3
[23:17] <eightfold> nacc: what is pip3?
[23:17] <nacc> eightfold: the python3 pip
[23:18] <eightfold> sorry, but i don't understand a thing. the python3 pip is pip3
[23:18] <eightfold> and i insalled it
[23:18] <k1l> eightfold: pip is only python2. if you want python version3 to be used you need to use "pip3"
[23:18] <nacc> eightfold: there are two commands
[23:18] <eightfold> ahhh
[23:18] <eightfold> sawry
[23:18] <nacc> eightfold: both are for what you are thinking of as 'pip' but you need to tell it which interpreter you want to use
[23:18] <k1l> eightfold: it doesnt know what python you want since both pythons are installed
[23:19] <eightfold> all these pythons :)
[23:19] <nacc> there are two
[23:19] <eightfold> pip3 install --user wpull
[23:19] <eightfold> worked better
[23:19] <lerner> mcphail, so example: 'at 2am firefox -p'
[23:19] <lerner> ?
[23:22] <krakken> coco coco puffs
[23:23] <krakken> the wifi took me a bit
[23:24] <krakken> nice to see double click tarball upzip
[23:27] <mcphail> lerner: "at" accepts jobs from stdin. So you could use: echo "DISPLAY=:0 firefox -p" | at now + 2hours
[23:27] <ablest1980> hi
[23:27] <lerner> mcphail, so what I wrote would not work?
[23:27] <mcphail> lerner: you'll need to set the "DISPLAY" variable for graphical apps
[23:34] <ofir> Hi, I'm experimenting with this ancient kernel 2.6.20-15-generic while reading the Art of Exploitation, and I am puzzled about how stack execution is allowed there
[23:34] <eightfold> nacc: do you think this could have anything to do with the fact that i don't have python3 installed?
[23:34] <eightfold> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/759912340b3d5bd9b7518acff5d03da0
[23:34] <ofir> Would love that to hear a hint from someone :)
[23:34] <nacc> ofir: wrong channel
[23:34] <nacc> ofir: probably want a kernel channel
[23:35] <ofir> nacc, thanks, I'll try, it's an old Ubuntu 7.04 (Live CD), so I thought maybe someone would know
[23:35] <still-dreaming-1> Hell. I'm using Ubuntu via Bash on Ubuntu on Windows (Windows 10 feature). Is it true you should not modify the linux file system files through Windows file explorer?
[23:36] <still-dreaming-1> *hello
[23:36] <nacc> eightfold: do you actually not have python3 installed? it's installed by default in ubuntu now
[23:36] <nacc> eightfold: just as python3
[23:36] <nacc> eightfold: it's presumably that there is no html5lib (afaict)
[23:36] <OerHeks> !ubuwin
[23:37] <genii> !winubu
[23:37] <genii> Hm
[23:38] <OerHeks> Could be an 2nd option, genii
[23:38] <k1l> eightfold: see, the error tells you its missing python3-html5lib
[23:38] <nacc> eightfold: well, it does (if you know python and ubuntu) because it can't import a module and ubuntu generally has sane pacakge names for python modules
[23:39] <nacc> !info python3-html5lib yakkety
[23:45] <eightfold> k1l: thanks!
[23:45] <eightfold> nacc: thanks!
[23:45] <eightfold> i'll give  python3-html5lib a try
[23:49] <eightfold> hmm
[23:49] <eightfold> installed that package, getting https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e42b2d565e0eb4d96d5c168964660b88
[23:50] <eightfold> didn't know that *nix dependency hell hole was so deep :)
[23:51] <eightfold> identical message as before installing python3-html5lib
[23:51] <nacc> eightfold: iit'
[23:51] <nacc> eightfold: it's a bug in wpull
[23:52] <nacc> eightfold: not compatible with ubuntu's package, afaict, as the modules is called 'html5lib._tokenizer' (and the underscore implies it's not meant for direct import)
[23:55] <funey> hey
[23:58] <stinger910> Hello
[23:59] <stinger910> Anyone interested in helping a complete noob set up their vncserver for desktop environment


[00:16] <snia> I wrote soe days ago something about m-audio fast track pro, an usb1 sound-device. I'd like this sound-device to work out of box in  ubuntu-studio quantal.  To configure this card is very difficult at the moment . By default pulseaudio (pavucontrol)  recognize the sound-device but inputs of the sound-device doesn't work.
[00:22] <snia> reading this help http://joegiampaoli.blogspot.it/2011/06/m-audio-fast-track-pro-for-debian-linux.html   , I managed to have input to work just adding the file fast-track-pro.conf in /etc/modules. I hope to have 2inputs analog/ 4 output analog  to work out of box, with pulseaudio and jackd. configuration on pulse audio for this sound-device could be simpler, not more than 3-4 configuration(digital in/out on or off). 2in and 2out analog coul
[00:22] <snia> d be nice anyway.
[00:23] <snia> my little help, I'm just an user, can't help much more than this. Bye all, good linux to all.
[11:52] <drupin> hey smartboyhw
[11:52] <drupin> holstein:
[11:52] <smartboyhw> Hi drupin
[11:52] <drupin> you dont seem 14 to me.. i read you articles
[11:53] <drupin> they are very mature
[11:53] <smartboyhw> drupin, I AM 14........Want to see my ID card or student ID? LOL
[11:53] <drupin> lol no
[11:53] <drupin> just the way you present in forums
[11:53] <smartboyhw> drupin, er...........
[11:53] <drupin> is like a professional..
[11:54] <drupin> but you kool
[11:54] <smartboyhw> drupin, a little bit of family history and school life helps:P
[11:54] <drupin> family history?
[11:55] <smartboyhw> drupin, LOL kidding;P
[11:55] <drupin> ok
[11:55] <drupin> any ways i will do some testing also
[11:55] <smartboyhw> drupin, good :)
[11:55] <drupin> are you only two testing so far
[11:55] <smartboyhw> drupin, talk about this in #ubuntustudio-devel will be best, but normally only me and len-dt does it
[11:56]  * smartboyhw does 64-bit, len-dt does 32-bit
[11:56] <smartboyhw> Talk to you later drupin lunch time
[11:56] <smartboyhw> *dinner:P
[11:56] <drupin> ok smartboyhw tcc
[13:56] <FrozenZia> Hello studio folks - I could use some help getting a sound card troubleshot, but I'm an audio n00b, so I may have some stupid questions...
[13:56] <FrozenZia> fresshly installed ubuntustudio 12.04.1, w/updates
[13:56] <smartboyhw> holstein, your world of expertise:P
[13:57] <FrozenZia> lspci is showing the card as an ICE1712 (Envy24)
[13:57] <FrozenZia> I'm trying the very simplest thing of trying to get any sound at all to come out of the single speaker w/RCA jack that I have
[13:58] <FrozenZia> The card has 4 RCA jacks, and a serial port, which has a "dongle" or whatever with 2 rca jacks and a couple of midi jacks.
[13:59] <FrozenZia> Not sure what else I should tell you or what I should try.
[14:02] <FrozenZia> I disabled the onboard audio, b/c I thought that might be causing problems.
[14:03] <FrozenZia> Haven't yet been able to get any sound from this sound card..
[14:07] <FrozenZia> Menu - Media Playback - Mixer: shows "M Audio Audiophile 24/96 (Alsa mixer)" and "Playback: ICE1712.....(PulseAudio Mixer)"
[14:31]  * FrozenZia leaves for dinner, play practice...
[14:47] <holstein> FrozenZia: we can talk about JACK config sometime.. i would run pavucontrol
[14:48] <holstein> disabling the onboard sound is a good idea
[15:13] <ailo_> FrozenZia: Use mudita24
[15:14] <ailo_> FrozenZia: The internal volumes needs to be raised.
[15:14] <ailo_> You'll find controls for them, named dac for outputs, and adc for inputs
[15:17] <holstein> ailo_: is that something included by default now? i seem to remember seeeing some chat about that now that i see the name
[15:18] <ailo_> holstein: mudita24 is a dedicated mixer for envy24 cards, the successor of envy24control
[15:18] <ailo_> There are a bunch of mixers included by default
[15:18] <ailo_> ICE1712(envy24) is one of those chips that has internal levels at 0 by default, and needs a mixer for raising them
[15:18] <holstein> ailo_: maybe we could "thin out the options" if the old one doenst do anything anymore
[15:19] <holstein> ive never had a card that had mixer support like that
[15:19] <ailo_> holstein: envy24-control is not on the list anymore.
[15:20] <ailo_> If you go into "Audio Production" -> "Mixers and Card Control", you'll find a bunch of mixers for different chips
[15:20] <holstein> ailo_: reading back, it looks like FrozenZia was only trying alsamixer anyways or pulse
[15:20] <holstein> ailo_: yeah ive seen them, i just always ignore them since i dont have any hardware for htem
[15:20] <ailo_> Alsamixer works just as well. Just that, mudita24 makes more sense, and is better looking
[15:21] <holstein> ailo_: ive seen screenies... looks good
[15:21] <ailo_> Well, for raising volumes. Perhaps not for all tweaks
[15:21] <ailo_> I mean, alsamixer may be lacking in something
[15:22] <ailo_> echo cards, RME cards are among those that have dedicated mixers
[15:22] <holstein> yeah... db boost or cut or something that the cards have internally that alsamixer doesnt need to show, or cant or whatever
[15:22] <smartboyhw> bye all
[18:31] <FrozenZia> holstein: ailo : alright, I'm back now and could try and follow some instructions if either/both of you are still around...
[18:31] <FrozenZia> For starters, I wonder if I should have my lone speaker plugged straight into one of the rcas or into the rca/midi-dongle thingie that's in the serial port.
[18:31] <holstein> FrozenZia: ailo uses that mixer.. and i heard that it was depricated and had forgotten
[18:32] <holstein> FrozenZia: i sould get a file playing, and plug the speaker into all the outs to test
[18:32] <FrozenZia> I had opened mixer, and found DAC and DAC1 -- they're both now at about 50% (as is everything else I could find)
[18:33] <holstein> FrozenZia: alsa mixer will "see" that device ailo says.. but the tool to use is the mudita24
[18:34] <FrozenZia> One of those possibly boneheaded questions is this: this speaker is of a "cheapo" set, where the "master" plugs in with a normal stereo plug, and then this speaker plugs into it with an rca jack.  So it SHOULD work just going straight into a sound card as well, right?
[18:34] <FrozenZia> I guess I'm just wondering if this should need some sort of power to work....
[18:34] <holstein> FrozenZia: you cant just plug a speaker up to an out like that
[18:35] <holstein> FrozenZia: you'll need an amp
[18:35] <FrozenZia> It doesnt't get any when plugged into the "master" speaker, though...
[18:35] <FrozenZia> Argh.
[18:35] <holstein> i would use headphones
[18:35] <FrozenZia> Uh - headphones with an RCA connector?
[18:35] <holstein> FrozenZia: theres no headphone output?
[18:36] <holstein> FrozenZia: the rca out is not for headphones, nor for a speaker
[18:36] <holstein> FrozenZia: the rca out is for an rca in on an amplifier
[18:37] <FrozenZia> Not on this card, no -- just 2 pair of rca's and the serial port
[18:37] <holstein> FrozenZia: you should be able to run those rca's to any reciever
[18:37] <holstein> home stereo or whatever
[18:38] <holstein> FrozenZia: the "serial port" is likely for the additonal dongle.. with the other outs.. potentially headphones, balanced 1/4". xlr...
[18:38] <FrozenZia> hmmm... now if only I had such a beast....  Oh wait, I may actually have one in the garage - will have to go check it out.
[18:39] <FrozenZia> (beast = home stereo, that is)
[18:39] <FrozenZia> well, can you help me decipher mudita24 or whatever?  I've got it up and running, but clueless about what to tweak...
[18:40] <holstein> FrozenZia: wont matter if you got no way to hear it
[18:40] <holstein> FrozenZia: you could be tweaking the knob that spits out golded audio.. and you got no way to hear it
[18:41] <FrozenZia> well, yeah, I just thought I could "unmute" the "correct" things while you're online, then go rummage in the garage...
[18:41] <holstein> we wont know what the correct things are, if you dont have a way of testing
[18:42] <holstein> i typically plug something in *everywhere* and i unmute and tweak *everything* to learn the equipment
[18:42] <holstein> i like to be totally unsurprised by my studio equipment
[18:42] <holstein> FrozenZia: i would look in the box for the dongle though
[18:42] <holstein> FrozenZia: is that an maudio 1010lt?
[18:43] <FrozenZia> Ok, thought maybe there would be channels or pcms or whatever X and Y that I should definitely change.  Ok, but I'll go see what I can dig out of the garage
[18:43] <holstein> OH.. the audiofile.. i see
[18:43] <holstein> thats more of a "consumer" grad thing
[18:43] <holstein> grade*
[18:43] <FrozenZia> holstein: yeah, Audiophile 24/96.
[18:43] <holstein> you dont get balanced outs.. just those rca's
[18:44] <FrozenZia> I got tabs in mupita for Monitor Inputs, Monitor PCMs, Patchbay/Router, Hardware settings, Analog Volume and Profiles
[18:44] <holstein> you wont find a pro studio doing *any* recording over unbalanced connections.. but you can find a card with balanced in's in a similar price range
[18:44] <holstein> FrozenZia: i dont trust labels
[18:45] <FrozenZia> =o)
[18:45] <holstein> FrozenZia: i tweak, and test... and label my self... after testing and hearing it
[18:47]  * FrozenZia heads out to the garage, flashlight in hand...
[19:08] <FrozenZia> Argh. Receiver found, but seems to have a bad fuse, so not an option.  How about this - I've got a Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI jacks -- can I hook that up somehow and simulate something that will clarify whether or not this soundcard is working?
[19:08] <FrozenZia> (dumb question #569?)
[19:19] <drupin> lowlatency-pae means?
[19:31] <FrozenZia> holstein: ailo : thanks for your help, but don't have the proper equipment yet to figure this out. Will try and acquire a receiver for testing tomorrow...
[20:41] <holstein> FrozenZia: dont spend too much money on gear... you can just get an appropriate sound card in that case
[20:42] <holstein> drupin: lowlatency is a different kernel.. not the generic, but one to help with latency issues.. a compromise between the generic and a realtime one
[20:42] <holstein> !pae
[20:46] <drupin> ok
[20:48] <drupin> no my ram is jusr 2.5Gig


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[03:52] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: well, llvm-toolchain-14 1:14.0.0-1ubuntu1 took 3 hours to build on i386, and -1ubuntu2 has been building for 11 hours...
[05:34] <fossfreedom> 13 hrs and counting to build an iso...impressive! https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/kinetic/ubuntu-budgie/+build/341660
[05:37] <RikMills> fossfreedom: looks stuck and needs killing and re-doing
[09:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: wpa (jammy-proposed/main) [2:2.10-6 => 2:2.10-6ubuntu1] (core)
[10:01] <tjaalton> someone with higher powers than me should remove linux-oem-5.10 etc from focal-proposed, it has migrated to 5.14 already and the upload in proposed is just dead weight
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openssl (jammy-proposed/main) [3.0.2-0ubuntu1.1 => 3.0.2-0ubuntu1.2] (core, i386-whitelist)
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[16:10] <ricotz> bdmurray, hi :), could you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1971670 ?
[16:22] <seb128> ricotz, he's out until eow
[16:28] <ricotz> seb128, hey :), oh, I see, hopefully someone else can have a look
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: Would anybody like to do a quick look at papirus-colors in source NEW? It's a folder icon theme that overlays on papirus-icon-theme and takes advantage of KDE Plasma's accent colors. Very simple d/copyright.
[17:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lintian (jammy-proposed/main) [2.114.0ubuntu1 => 2.114.0ubuntu1.1] (core)
[17:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lintian (impish-proposed/main) [2.104.0ubuntu3.1 => 2.104.0ubuntu3.2] (core)
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[17:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ruby-sentry-rails [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [5.3.0-2] (no packageset)
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[17:43] <ricotz> could someone retry https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-13/1:13.0.1-2ubuntu3/+build/23608413 please
[17:52] <RikMills> ricotz: done
[18:15] <ricotz> RikMills, thx
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[20:05] <LocutusOfBorg> old binaries left on amd64: libphobos2-ldc-shared98 (from 1:1.28.1-1)
[20:05] <LocutusOfBorg> old binaries left on arm64: libphobos2-ldc-shared98 (from 1:1.28.1-1)
[20:05] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, pleeeeeeeeease^^^^^^
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[13:07] <israfel> /!\ this channel has moved to ##hamradio /!\
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[13:11] <arzahj> /!\ this channel has moved to #nyymit /!\
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 I didn't feel thirst yesterday :) :D
[07:41] <Kilos> wow all day with nothing to drink
[07:41] <Kilos> you think stopping coffee helped
[07:45] <elacheche> Stopping coffee helped me to be calmer.. It's very easy to get angry after few days from stopping coffee.. I stopped it 2 weeks ago, so I'm calmer than the few first days after that
[07:45] <Kilos> good
[07:47] <Kilos> dont start again
[07:48] <lunapersa> +1
[07:48] <elacheche> Can't x) I'm not living in my universe right now :D I'm like an alien..


[00:46] <ubptgbot> Fernando Lanas was added by: Fernando Lanas
[00:46] <ubptgbot> <Fernando Lanas> Hi guys
 @TartanSpartan, https://ostree.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
 whoops
 Well you can have that link
 (Photo, 514x32) https://irc.ubports.com/lBgus5ma.png
 But that's what I really wanted to send
 @UniversalSuperBox, good to know :P
 @Fernando Lanas, Hi/Hola Fernando!
[00:50] <ubptgbot> <Fernando Lanas> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/K1q2IcJ1.png Can someone help me Im trying to install it in my oneplus one, but it just stays like this for a long time
 @UniversalSuperBox, when did this happen btw? is there a new api or something_
 @UniversalSuperBox, [Edit] when did this happen btw? is there a new api or something?
 @mariogrip, I'm pretty sure they're trying to kill Hangouts
 @Fernando Lanas, Please join the install room, there they have many install expers ready to help https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 @UniversalSuperBox, we will get a problem with q/a then i guess
 Actually, Hangouts is trying to become part of G Suite and not the user-facing apps
 @mariogrip, I don't know if HoA will die too quickly
 The only Hangouts API they're advertising widely is the bot API
 well they got a new service on youtube that might replace it so
 At that point I don't think it'd be worth it to do video any more
 well if its as simple as hoa i guess, but if we have to start using obs or something thats pain
 Chat replaces Hangouts
 Tryst replaces chat
 @malditobastardo, Especially with video recordings
[04:38] <ubptgbot> J W was added by: J W
 What other chats are viable alternatives to hangouts?
 @enoch81, wanna join also the italian groups? @ubportsitaliano
[06:06] <ubptgbot> <Maikel Olie> Hi, I am pretty new here and just got my fairphone with 16.04. I would like to change the background of my scopes. Is there a way to easily customize that. Preferrably without using the terminal?
 @Maikel Olie, Hi, in system settings > backgrounds you can set a wallpaper, and then scroll down and activate the wallpaper for the scopes too. below that, you can set the opacity
 it will be the same wall paper for the lock screen, the desktop (you only see it when switching apps) and the scopes
[06:26] <ubptgbot> <Maikel Olie> @YougoChats, Great thanks!
 Is it normal or known for the Telegram client to not be able to connect since recently?
 it can be bit slow to refresh but it does work with some patience for me
 I noticed it stuck on loading all the time, even on wifi, where it at top took a minute or so
 perhaps wipe it's cache and config with UT Tweak tool and reconnect to telegram?
 @peternerlich it's working fine for me
 😟
 @Maikel Olie, You can use that way @YougoChats told you to set one of the default images but if you want to set a custom one, there's a bug with filemanager & content-hub currently
 then I seem to have a problem
 or maybe Telegram servers for your zone are failing
 also, this morning my E4.5 was stuck in a soft reboot loop
 On laptop I am messaging just fine
 as you can see
 oh
 but I get push notifications
 but they do not come across the app but the push service
 Push has nothing to do with the App
 My krillin with 16.04 devel is working fine too (except the known bugs, of course)
 yes thats expected
 Send me logfile plz from logviewer right after restarting the app
 @advocatux, you can select images from gallery or camera though. if you plae your custom wallpaper in the /Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera folder, gallery will show it
 @advocatux, [Edit] you can select images from gallery or camera though. if you place your custom wallpaper in the /Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera folder, gallery will show it
 @Flohack, seems full of `401 : "AUTH_KEY_UNREGISTERED"`
 and `bogus data provided`
 @advocatux, [Edit] Maikel you can select images from gallery or camera though. if you place your custom wallpaper in the /Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera folder, gallery will show it
 paste.ubuntu.com/p/XCjWG95Pj2
 @peternerlich, plz delete .config folder of telegram and reregister :)
 @mymike00, Thank you
 test, test
 hmm
 Loud and clear. Roger
 seems to work
 @peternerlich, For unknown reason Telegram sometimes looses the auth key on one or more datacenters of telegram. The whole process is complex as it is fully distributed and load-balanced
 lol
 @Flohack, I headed that you are developing telegram app for UT Pls search group is not working pls rectify it soon
 @Flohack, [Edit] I heared that you are developing telegram app for UT Pls search group is not working pls rectify it soon
 There will be a new build with those features 'when it is ready'
 @John_athan, We have to re-design the whole app, so currently we do not work on features for the old one
[08:55] <ubptgbot> Backstein97 was added by: Backstein97
 Welcome Fernando, J & @Backstein97 !!! Check this put for more about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[09:32] <ubptgbot> <Maikel Olie> @YougoChats, Thanks both!!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/7qp190uD.mp4
 👍
 @samitormanen, There might be available also old original version
 are there any problems with devices.ubuntu-touch.io ?
 (Photo, 1139x867) https://irc.ubports.com/jBJbJVac.png
 @mymike00, No, are you using noscript or something like that ?
 I don't think so... maybe the duckduckgo plugin is blocking it?
 I don't know but something in your browser is blocking a needed script to show the content
 ok, thanks
 👍
 well, that won't do
[15:55] <ubptgbot> Barvit was added by: Barvit
 @Barvit, Hi Barvit, welcome! Take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 Another reason I'm glad to use Ubuntu phone, my family is reporting that there are ads that are overriding volume settings on Android now
 Wow! I hope uAdBlock is ported to xenial soon
 @mateosalta, why do we all have families like this?
 @wayneoutthere, because you haven't made UT work as reliably as android, with a large app market
 Hello, work or not work in dell venue 11 i5 CPU?
 @Barvit, Ubuntu Touch is for mobile phones
 and tablets
 and PCs
 @Barvit, This is the current list of supported devices https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @dohbee, Oh, right, there was x86 unity8
 @Barvit, you can just install normal ubuntu, and eventually install unity8 on it
 yeah "convergence" and all :)
 @mateosalta, Wow, I'm glad I have setup DNS Blackhole for ads
 .......oh my
 Anyone here have the cloud password on their telegram account? I've noticed I tried to sign into telegram on my oneplus one (16.04) and it doesn't want to continue after putting in my cloud password.
 @AlexanderPlaza, You only need your tel number and receive an SMS.
 @Cesar_Herrera, Well you can also enable 2 factor auth that asks for a pwd you set iirc
 Ok. And Telegrem on another device.
 Right now the latest culprit in the long "what's currently choking my M10's storage" seems to be Telegram. I see it has a cache of over 200MB.
 This is a snapshot, a fraction of the app's download directory. So many subdirs. Yikes!
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/eNOTwmIh.png
 Would anything be impeded in functionality if I went into these directories and offloaded their contents onto my SD card for processing (i.e. to figure out whether I should keep or delete the thousands of photos etc)?
 Well, except you need something I'd delete the all the cache... The files should remain also on the cloud so you can get them whenever you want....
 @AlexanderPlaza, telegram-app uses a very old protocol version, and i'm not sure if it supports that
 @dohbee, So after letting it sit in the background for quite some time. It appears that it works now. It does show the age for sure. Is it still being developed or just in limbo?
 there's a rewrite being worked on
 @dohbee, Ooo sign me up for beta test
 Lol
 @dohbee, We patched this in 2017 and it should work well
 ok
 @TartanSpartan, Well thats the concept of .cache I never understood in Ubuntu. Why no task is mandatory to remove stale / old entries there
 Its also on Desktop
 various software creates cache files, but noone demands cleanup
 well that's the app's job
 Well but no App does is
 does it
 so fix your app to clean up its cache sometimes then :)
 ^^
 If I just do a trash of the cache from UT Tweak Tool, will that have any untoward effects?
 for just telegram? probably not
 for all cache, yes, it would end up deleting your libertine containers
 Yes I meant for Telegram. I need to figure out which other apps have caches for which I could gain from periodically emptying, but I don't think it's sensible to do that for all of them in one go as a blunt instrument.
[21:37] <ubptgbot> andrewebdev was added by: andrewebdev
 o/
 I'm pondering Fairphone with Utouch.... But I have one essential use case
 I'm wondering if Google Authenticator works on utouch in any way
 (well I know the android app wont work, but I'm hoping there is some workaround)
 No. But there is an authenticator app that does hotp/totp codes
 So those codes will work in any case where my authenticator would have done the job?
 Can't get the push notifications and just tapping the button, but you can use standard code generation with it, and scan qr codes to add the account
 I maintain the app, for what it's worth
 ah cool
 still gonna ponder on this for a bit
 if you don't mind me asking, is the source available somewhere to review?
 Yes, on github
 whops, got a e5s instead of just a e5...
 it has qualcom snapdragon in it
 @mariogrip want a bq e5s that now only boots to fastboot - I did unlock it before getting it in that fasion
 @mateosalta, humm, im not sure how much i can do with it, and for porting i got way to many wating for me to port. Maybe ask in @halium if anyone wants to port it. i dont expect to to be much work since its pretty simular to the non s exept of its qualcomm
 Thanks for for the offer btw :)
 or in https://t.me/ubports_porting
 cool
[23:10] <ubptgbot> Francesco Cappa was added by: Francesco Cappa
 Welcome Francesco :D
[23:11] <ubptgbot> <Francesco Cappa> Thanks!😄
 oh, maybe I'll try a go at porting, just got twrp on it, seems there is a linage version for it too
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/5XglPEm9.png
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/kuclpPv6.png
 This is amazing guys is working!!! 😃


[01:38] <bluesabre> hey everyone
[01:38] <bluesabre> Non-Language Pack Translation Deadline is Thursday
[01:38] <bluesabre> will be doing uploads tomorrow with latest translations
[01:39] <bluesabre> I did just find some strings that were not marked for translation in xfpanel-switch, so anybody that can pick up a few of those before Thursday... :)
[01:39] <bluesabre> https://translations.launchpad.net/xfpanel-switch
[01:40] <bluesabre> currently mostly translated include French, German, Lithuanian, Russian, Serbian, Swedish... in case any are around that want to complete those
[01:41] <bluesabre> maybe pasi can finnish one
[01:48] <bluesabre> night all
[01:52] <bluesabre> also started documenting xfpanel-switch at https://wiki.smdavis.us/doku.php?id=xfpanel-switch-docs since I've added a link to that page from the app help button
[11:51] <flocculant> knome: shouldn't  [xubuntu-doc] Create new content for the "FAQ" section (see whiteboard): TODO be an ongoing task on whiteboard and not a work item?
[12:04] <bluesabre> I can help with the FAQs :)
[12:04] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[15:13] <flocculant> bluesabre: well so could I - perhaps it should be [xubuntu-team] and not a work item
[15:14] <flocculant> dkessel: I think that we should just postpone that stuff
[16:07] <dkessel> flocculant: ok , go ahead
[16:54] <flocculant> I did
[20:04] <ochosi> hey lderan, how's it going?
[20:04] <Unit193> (network issues, he's likely not really here.)
[20:06] <ochosi> oh ok then
[20:27] <knome> flocculant, the idea was/is to break that into actionable items, but i guess it could be marked as an ongoing task as well
[20:32] <flocculant> knome: can understand that - but the actionable items went on the whiteboard :D
[20:32] <flocculant> not that it actually matters to me - nor much in general either - was just a comment :)
[20:34] <knome> i don't mind either way really either
[20:34] <knome> so i guess it'll stay as it is :P
[20:34] <flocculant> :D
[20:35] <flocculant> knome: so next time you come up with something like 'QA articles should be on the whiteboard surely' expect the comment in return once more :p
[20:35] <knome> ahhah
[20:38] <flocculant> can probably safely postpone lderan's work item
[20:46] <knome> likely so
[21:31] <knome> bluesabre, if you didn't notice, i sneaked in a finnish translation for the panel switcher


[00:23] <alex_mayorga> Hi, I think bug 505268 can be marked public
[00:23] <ubot4> alex_mayorga: Bug 505268 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/505268 is private
[00:25] <micahg> alex_mayorga: that's probably still being retraced
[00:26]  * micahg can't even access it yet
[00:26] <alex_mayorga> micahg: oh! OK thanks anyway
[00:33] <alex_mayorga> also I think I might have https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/505584 or a variant of it, how do I confirm?
[00:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 505584 in ubuntu "'mountall cannot connect to plymouth', followed by 'run-parts: /etc/update-motd.d/91-release-upgrade exited with return 1'" [Undecided,New]
[00:38] <hggdh> well, if you see these error messages, I guess
[00:38] <hggdh> or -- you want to mark the bug Confirmed?
[00:39] <alex_mayorga> hggdh, is there a log of the boot messages somewhere?
[00:39] <hggdh> alex_mayorga: some places, all under /var/log
[00:39] <alex_mayorga> I'm not certain on the second line
[00:41] <hggdh> kern.log, dmesg, probably system and messages
[00:46] <alex_mayorga> nothing on these
[00:46] <alex_mayorga> I believe that's prior to the actual boot process
[00:47] <alex_mayorga> I don't end up on a tty, but the first message I see it
[03:36] <genii> Hm. In https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/i386/index.html   'Installing Ubuntu 9.04 "Jaunty Jackelope" for i386'  When the url should point to Karmic. Couldn't seem to find a place in LP for this one.
[03:38] <genii> Ooops, found it now, sorry.
[03:38] <hggdh> k
[03:48] <genii> Filed now as bug 505723
[03:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 505723 in installation-guide "9.10 install guide reads 9.04 and Jaunty, not 9.10 and Karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505723
[03:56] <TheNewAndy> which package does the main menu belong to? It doesn't seem to live in gnome-applets.
[04:07] <Kermiac> Does anyone else think bug 497503 is the same issue as bug 490969
[04:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 497503 in ubuntuone-servers "Notes List doesn't handle apostorphes correctly for uploaded notes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497503
[04:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490969 in ubuntuone-servers "Using the ampersand character (&) in note title messes up sync" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490969
[04:08] <Kermiac> they both seem to be related to "special characters"
[06:44] <vish> Bug #387832 is due to gvfs or... policykit?
[06:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 387832 in hundredpapercuts "cdrom or dvd can not be ejected by other user" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387832
[09:50] <Kermiac> Does anyone else think bug 497503 is the same issue as bug 490969. Not sure if I should mark as dupe. They both seem to be referring to the way "special characters" are handled in note titles.
[09:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 497503 in ubuntuone-servers "Notes List doesn't handle apostorphes correctly for uploaded notes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497503
[09:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490969 in ubuntuone-servers "Using the ampersand character (&) in note title messes up sync" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490969
[11:19] <LimCore> How big impact on fixing bugs would it help to have money/funding?
[11:33] <om26er> plz any one change this https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/495723 to triaged
[11:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 495723 in nautilus "the copy action doesn't work in the second after a directory load" [Low,Confirmed]
[11:36] <pedro_> om26er, done
[11:37] <om26er> pedro_, thanx
[11:37] <pedro_> you're welcome
[12:00] <vish> om26er: hi.. while triaging you could just mention on here the status it needs to be set and someone would do it... posting a comment just increases the mails others receive :)
[12:00] <vish> mention it here*
[12:01] <om26er> vish, sure
[12:01] <vish> om26er: thanks.. :)
[12:01] <om26er> vish, https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/505491 make it triaged plz
[12:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 505491 in empathy "Feature request: Middle button should close chat tab in Empathy" [Low,New]
[12:02] <vish> om26er: i dint say I was bug control ;)  but i received a lot of comments hence i wanted to mention :)
[12:02] <vish> om26er: pedro_ might do it when he is free
[12:04] <pedro_> om26er, vish done
[12:11] <om26er-> when reporting a bug upstream should i necessarily mention bug reported/requested at launchpad?
[12:11] <vish> om26er: if you mention it would be better , sometimes upstream might try and read the comments in lp to gather more info
[12:16] <om26er-> vish, upstream marked the last bug duplicate and denied. what can be the status of LP bug invalid?
[12:17] <vish> om26er: "wont fix" would be appropriate , and if it has been duped then upstream bug link needs to be changed to the main bug
[12:18] <om26er-> vish, yes, i changed it
[12:27] <om26er> won't fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/499529
[12:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 499529 in empathy "[wishlist] Order contacts by account in Empathy" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[13:28] <yofel> hm, didn't know about bug 218933
[13:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 218933 in apport "bash completion for ubuntu-bug" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218933
[13:29] <yofel> I have a somewhat working one
[15:33] <bddebian> Boo
[15:41]  * LimCore is startled
[15:48]  * yofel still wonders if someone wants to test the bash-completion bug 218933
[15:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 218933 in apport "bash completion for ubuntu-bug" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218933
[16:05] <om26er> can freedesktop.org bug be linked in launchpad?
[16:11] <micahg> om26er: yes
[16:11] <charlie-tca> yes, om26er. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream
[16:12] <micahg> om26er: link upstream to the related project thats hosted there
[16:13] <om26er> if a bug is related to the whole telepathy framework what package should i select for it.
[16:13] <om26er> its about telepathy not supporting email notification
[16:14] <om26er> and telepathy guys are working on it/seem to be working
[16:14] <charlie-tca> bug number?
[16:15] <om26er> charlie-tca, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/332355/
[16:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 332355 in empathy "Empathy doesn't alert to new email messages" [Wishlist,New]
[16:19] <charlie-tca> package on it looks okay; The bug reported to gnome was killed as no fix, but I don't see anyone in ubuntu working it yet. Maybe change it to confirmed.
[16:21] <om26er> charlie-tca, no empathy developers made its status to unconfirmed in later comments
[16:21] <charlie-tca> empathy developer at gnome reopened the gnome bug, so confirming the ubuntu bug in launchpad would be good
[16:21] <om26er> ok
[16:22] <seb128> you can set it to triaged
[16:22] <seb128> it has enough details and has been sent upstream too
[16:22] <charlie-tca> The last comment in gnome bugzilla says it might be a while to fix this
[16:22] <seb128> well, triaged just means it doesn't require extra infos
[16:23] <charlie-tca> true enough, but I thought wishlist only gets confirmed?
[16:23] <seb128> no reason
[16:23] <charlie-tca> Thanks, seb128
[16:23] <seb128> confirmed are bugs that still need work to be handed to a hacker
[16:23] <om26er> triaged/wishlist
[16:24] <seb128> triaged are bugs which have enough informations to be worked on
[16:24] <charlie-tca> Thank you, om26er, for helping
[16:24] <charlie-tca> I might be a bit behind on policy yet. I am working on catching up
[16:29] <om26er> i marked a bug incomplete and asked reporter to test the latest version of empathy(2.29.4) in which i confirmed that the bug was fixed as i faced it too and now reporter replied that he can't test
[16:29] <om26er> should i mark it invalid/fixed ?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> mark it fix released and comment with the specific version that it is fixed in
[16:34] <om26er> ok
[16:55] <om26er-> if a reporter says in a comment that he reported the bug upstream and does not provide the upstream link should i mark bug incomplete and ask for the link?
[16:57] <hggdh> om26er-: just saw your application to b-c
[16:57] <hggdh> om26er-: you *need* to state what Importance you would give to the bugs
[16:58] <hggdh> and explain why
[16:58] <om26er-> hggdh, should i email that again?
[16:59] <hggdh> om26er-: yes, please. For each bug you selected as an example of your work, add the Imporance you would set, and explain why. There is a thread in the ML about that, somewhere
[16:59]  * hggdh is trying to find, anf fighting TB
[17:00] <hggdh> om26er-: for your question above (upstream reported, but not linked): no, do not mark Incomplete, but ask the poster for the bug link
[17:02] <hggdh> om26er-: for the previous Q -- you checked the bug fixed, OP cannot check: if you can find out what fixed it (perhaps in the changelog) it would be good to add in; otherwise, mark fixed, and state that this was fixed by (unknown) fix
[17:03] <hggdh> er. IN both cases you can mark fixed
[17:03] <om26er-> hggdh, i searched in 2.29.4 changelog and it was not in it but might have been fixed in earlier versions
[17:04] <hggdh> try on the changelogs down to the OP's version, if you can
[17:05] <hggdh> uff. Now, back to work ;-)
[17:05] <hggdh> oh. om26er-: thank you for your help and interest in joining b-c :-)
[17:27] <om26er> if the upstream says that they won't implement a feature what should be the status of that bug
[17:27] <om26er> won't fix?
[17:29] <hggdh> sounds reasonable, om26er
[17:30] <om26er> plz mark this won't fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/499529
[17:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 499529 in empathy "[wishlist] Order contacts by account in Empathy" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[17:32] <pedro_> om26er, done
[17:33] <charlie-tca> okay, I made it back after switching hardware around
[17:35] <hggdh> heh. pedro_ and I answered, so it is a double wontfix
[17:36] <pedro_> \o/
[17:36] <hggdh> :-)
[17:44] <om26er-> status is new and the reporter was asked to report the bug upstream but he did not do that saying he don't use the application anymore and now i tried it in lucid and its fully fixed
[17:44] <hggdh> you can close, then, as fix released, same observations I made before
[17:53] <om26er-> make it triaged plz https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/420449
[17:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 420449 in empathy "empathy cuts off text (upper or lower half of line)" [Low,New]
[17:59] <om26er-> this bug is not confirmed i should reproduce it first
[18:04] <charlie-tca> om26er-: which bug? the one you just asked to mark triaged?
[18:04] <om26er-> charlie-tca, no, its another
[18:04] <charlie-tca> okay, done
[18:13] <hggdh> om26er-: I presume you were asking -- yes, you should reproduce in order to confirm
[18:14]  * charlie-tca smacks head; did not intend to leave that hanging...
[18:15] <hggdh> :-)
[18:29] <vish> hggdh: hmm , how do i close this bug> Bug #367626 , its invalid in all the project but the FUSA upstream task is still open...
[18:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 367626 in indicator-session "Hibernate does not ask for time-out confirmation" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/367626
[18:30] <vish> or charlie-tca ^^ :)
[18:31] <vish> there should be a feature like upstream where user can close their own bug ;)
[18:32] <vish> s/upstream/bgo
[18:32] <charlie-tca> You can manually change the gnome-bug status to won't fix
[18:32] <charlie-tca> This is a launchpad issue, when it does not update the upstream status
[18:32] <vish> charlie-tca: it doesnt allow me to change it :(
[18:32] <micahg> charlie-tca: better to have someone modify upstream if it's a watch bug
[18:32] <micahg> if it should be closed upstream
[18:32] <charlie-tca> upstream has already closed it
[18:33] <micahg> then wait 24 hours for LP to update
[18:33] <charlie-tca> It was closed 2010-01-05
[18:33] <vish> micahg: its been nearly a week :(
[18:34] <micahg> vish: file a bug in malone
[18:34] <vish> hmm..
[18:34] <micahg> here's the error: GNOME Bug Tracker bug #587184 appears not to exist. Check that the bug  number is correct.
[18:34] <micahg> which isn't right
[18:34] <micahg> so it's a malone bug
[18:35] <vish> ah .. nice catch :)
[18:35] <charlie-tca> Where do I get to see that?
[18:36] <vish> charlie-tca: select the drop down arrow for that project
[18:36] <micahg> charlie-tca: click the triangle next to the upstream task
[18:36] <charlie-tca> Very nice. thank you
[19:02]  * hggdh is looking for scripts for automating the download, debianisation, and dput of upstream GIT packages to a PPA. Suggestions welcome.
[19:03] <hggdh> *very* welcome, BTW
[19:03] <hggdh> brb, lunch time
[19:03] <micahg> hggdh: are there existing packages?
[19:03] <hggdh> micahg: yes. In this case it is the coreutils
[19:03] <micahg> hggdh: fta has a bot
[19:03] <hggdh> ohhhh
[19:03] <micahg> idk it it'll work with git though
[19:04] <micahg> *if
[19:04] <hggdh> one can ask... jumping there
[19:49] <EzraR> i was actually thinking of makeing a script for that myself
[19:58] <hggdh> EzraR: did you get the link to it?
[20:28] <EzraR> hggdh:yes i did thank you
[21:57] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:23] <chrisccoulson> good evening BUGabundo
[22:23] <BUGabundo> hey chrisccoulson


[02:35] <luoye> ？
[03:51] <uBUXUBu> happy new years than ku kubuntu for being u
[03:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> happy new year to you, too.
[04:20] <kawaced> help pease
[04:20] <kawaced> *please
[04:20] <DarthFrog> !ask | kawaced
[04:20] <kawaced> how do I change my username?
[04:21] <DarthFrog> Delete your current login account and create another with the desired name.
[04:21] <DarthFrog> Is one way.
[04:22] <kawaced> oh.
[04:22] <DarthFrog> As root, edit /etc/passwd,shadow & group and change the name there.  Then change ownership of all your files to the new name.
[04:22] <DarthFrog> i.e. it is not a trivial task.
[04:22] <kawaced> thanks!
[04:23] <DarthFrog> Good luck.  Do yourself a favour and back up your home directory first.
[05:07] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year!
[05:07] <ghil> Happy new year!
[05:07] <ghil> :)
[05:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> Happy new year!
[06:58] <teadro> hi all
[08:14] <alexz> Happy new year!
[08:59] <lordievader> Happy New Year everybody ;)
[10:35] <bob_> hello
[10:37] <bob_> I try to convert CD-Audio to mp3 with soundkonverter, but the option is not listed. What should I more install ?
[10:41] <lordievader> !restricted | bob_
[10:45] <bob_> thx
[10:46] <bob_> I have installed lame, it works now
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year to all
[14:13] <antonio_> salve
[14:13] <antonio_> buon anno nuo vo a tutti voi
[14:13] <antonio_> happy new year to everibody
[15:51] <katarzyna> cześć, gdzie mogę znaleść pomoc dot. instalacji fpc na kubuntu?
[15:57] <katarzyna> is there anybody?
[15:59] <Okitain> katarzyna: yes, but not in your language.
[16:00] <katarzyna> I can try write in English...
[16:02] <katarzyna> I'm trying to install FreePascal at Kubuntu and I can't, so I'm looking for somebody who can.
[16:48] <Ab3L> hi. i would like to write a script to add a tool in dolphin. it's a "search" script. i want the script to find some file in some selected folder (and subfolders). so the question is: how can i get a window from where i can select the folder in which the script will look inside?
[16:49] <Ab3L> kdialog may help me?
[17:36] <DarthFrog> Ab3L:  Press Shift+F4 in Dolphin, will open a terminal.
[17:38] <Ab3L> DarthFrog: I know. what i need is a window to be able to select some path which gives me back the selected paths.
[17:39] <Ab3L> kdialog --getexistingdirectoy . gives me only a directory (and the possibility to create a new folder, what i needn't)
[17:40] <Ab3L> i'd like to know if someone has something similar to kdialog --getexistingdirectory .
[17:41] <Ab3L> with 1/ no right to create new folder, 2/ the right to select more than one directory
[17:42] <Ab3L> i'm sorry whether i wasn't clear enough
[17:42] <Ab3L> btw, thank you
[17:42] <DarthFrog> Sorry I'm unable to give you more help.
[17:58] <Ab3L> no problem
[17:58] <Ab3L> i'll start doing something easier
[18:00] <Linna> Hi, Every time I change de desktop theme the classic style kickoff menu stays grey.


 I told you. It's buggy software right now. Try creating a new profile. Alt+F2 then firefox -P create new. Get it working. then go into old profile and copy over your bookmarks.
[00:17] <darkcrab> kk
[00:19] <ShiroUsagi> node_6, The sound system in Hardy was changed to Pulseaudio, might also be helpful to look in that direction, try using one of those: http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio#RelatedSoftware
[00:31] <KuroUsagi> Oh, It hangs at last...
[00:33] <KuroUsagi> I don`t see any pattern in these occurances.
[00:36] <lc2> KuroUsagi: :\
[00:37] <cody-somerville> :]
[00:38] <KuroUsagi> It looks like a problem with xfwm, but everything refreshes, and the panel is unresponsive too... Really puzzled here.
[00:40] <lc2> KuroUsagi: me too
[00:40] <lc2> did you get this problem with whatever you were using before?
[00:42] <KuroUsagi> Nope. I believe it started after upgrading to Hardy. And as for Xfce, I was rarely using it, mostly sticking with Gnome.
[00:42] <lc2> does gnome do that as well?
[00:42] <KuroUsagi> No, it has its own problems :)
[00:47] <lc2> i haven't a clue :\
[00:53] <KuroUsagi> The strange thing is: it reacts to ctrl+alt+f1-etc, and c+a+backspace, caps- num- scroll- locks, but none of the other keystrokes.
[00:54] <lc2> hm :(
[00:54] <KuroUsagi> Something is receiving them and deliberately ignoring...
[01:04] <KuroUsagi> Erm... Does it suppose to have 62 console-kit-daemon processes running?..
[01:06] <KuroUsagi> Oh, it`s a registered bug...
[01:07] <lc2> haha wtf
[01:07] <KuroUsagi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/148454
[01:10] <KuroUsagi> Just a confusion, or whatever.
[01:10] <taza> Anyone got a complete newbie faq for getting new themes?
[01:11] <cody-somerville> You just download the theme and extra it to .themes/ in your home directory.
[01:11] <taza> Exactly. Complete newbie style?
[01:12] <taza> I mean, to begin with, what style of themes affect what?
[01:12] <taza> I'm pretty sure I can do all this myself if I just had a document explaining all the terms and causes in detail.
[01:13] <KuroUsagi> An example theme-creation-kit?
[01:13] <cody-somerville> taza, and now you're confusing me and I'm a developer :P
[01:13] <taza> No, I just want a newbie's introduction to what themes are, what themes are what and how do they all interlock.
[01:14] <taza> What are GTK themes for and what are Xfce themes for, to begin with
[01:14] <KuroUsagi> http://www.xfce.org/xfwm4-theme-howto/
[01:14] <KuroUsagi> Like.. this?
[01:15] <taza> Most certainly not.
[01:15] <cody-somerville> There is no such thing as an "Xfce theme"
[01:15] <cody-somerville> An "Xfce theme" is a GTK theme.
[01:16] <taza> KuroUsagi: I understand *nothing* from that site. I mean, I could use my graphical skills and my programming skills to create something there but I wouldn't have a clue what to do with it.
[01:17] <taza> I wasn't asking for a "complete newbie" guide for nothing
[01:17] <taza> For I have no understanding of the terminology and how they actually work.
[01:18] <lc2> well you know what GTK is
[01:18] <lc2> everything's simple english from there
[01:18] <taza> Yeah, right.
[01:19] <KuroUsagi> Basicalli it`s just pictures of buttons and decorations all stacked together, with some text describing what goes where... Or.. is it not?
[01:20] <taza> No, it's not
[01:20] <KuroUsagi> *lly
[01:20] <taza> And lc2, that must be obviously some new usage of of the word 'simple' I was previously unaware of.
[01:20] <taza> To begin with, I do not know the components and what component affects what.
[01:21] <taza> I know GTK+ is a widget library for GUIs, and uh, I have no idea how it's used in Xfce4
[01:21] <cody-somerville> Do you know what a widget is, taza?
[01:21] <lc2> taza: all xfce's menus, taskbars, etc are drawn using GTK
[01:21] <taza> lc2: Thanks, now we're getting to where we want to be.
[01:22] <KuroUsagi> Why don`t you take a ready made theme, and start by altering it. Then you can notice the changes with your own eyes.
[01:22] <lc2> in the case of window decorations (titlebars etc), it inherits some properties from the GTK theme, and others from the xfce decoration theme
[01:22] <taza> I presume the theme howto applies only to the window decoration theme?
[01:22] <lc2> taza: yes
[01:22] <taza> So basically if I want to change colours and such I'm looking for a GTK theme.
[01:22] <lc2> taza: depends on what you want to change the colours of
[01:22] <taza> And if I want to change titlebars and window borders I want a xfce window decoration theme
[01:23] <lc2> pretty much
[01:23] <cody-somerville> Xfce theme [01:23] <taza> Yeah, that was the part I was in the dark of.
[01:23] <taza> No.
[01:23] <lc2> no
[01:23] <taza> What's called a xfce theme is a xfce window decoration theme.
[01:24] <taza> It all makes sense once I got that one critical part down.
[01:24] <KuroUsagi> Well, people sometimes refer to copiers as xerox...
[01:24] <lc2> taza: bear in mind that with some window decoration themes, colours and so on are inherited from the GTK theme
[01:25] <taza> lc2: Yeah, but I'm not looking for an another window decoration theme
[01:25] <taza> My problem is that xfce4-dusk is too dark for my screen in some conditions
[01:27] <lc2> sec
[01:30] <KuroUsagi> I give up... Back to Gnome for the time being... Although I really like the concept behind Xfce.
[01:30] <lc2> ;\
[01:31] <taza> Back to gnome from xfce?
[01:31] <taza> Why on earth would you do something like that?
[01:31] <KuroUsagi> Yeah.
[01:32] <taza> I'm using xfce just because I don't have space for the better stuff
[01:32] <lc2> i'm trying to find the global gtk themes directory and i have no clue
[01:32] <taza> And I don't mean KDE even if I do think it's better than Gnome. I mean wmii etc.
[01:33] <taza> Split workspaces. <3 <3 <3
[01:33] <lc2> oh
[01:33] <lc2> /usr/share/themes/
[01:33] <KuroUsagi> Because Xfce stops responding to my keyboard and mouse after some usage time...
[01:33] <lc2> poke around in there to find Dusk
[01:33] <taza> Well I can just extract it to .themes too
[01:33] <lc2> taza: you may find it easier to tweak your existing theme, if you find it too dark, than to do another
[01:34] <KuroUsagi> And, personally, I find KDE inferior to both Xfce and Gnome, but that`s just me.
[01:34] <taza> KuroUsagi: Ever tried a split workspace window manager?
[01:34] <taza> I mean, it's a function I think all of them should have
[01:34] <KuroUsagi> Never really had to split.
[01:34] <taza> But alas, I have 800x480 resolution, so no split workspaces for me. ;_;
[01:35] <lc2> taza: /usr/share/themes/Xfce-dusk/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[01:35] <KuroUsagi> But doesn`t Gnome provide one?
[01:35] <taza> Not sure.
[01:35] <lc2> taza: 800x600? why?
[01:35] <taza> Xfce doesn't, I'm pretty sure.
[01:35] <taza> lc2: Not 800x600. 800x480.
[01:35] <lc2> wtf
[01:35] <lc2> !
[01:36] <KuroUsagi> eeePC or something
[01:36] <taza> Yup, EeePC
[01:36] <lc2> cool
[01:36] <taza> I mean, I'd still so love split workspaces.
[01:36] <taza> But Xfce is just so much more practical for a screen of this size
[01:37] <TheSheep> Jef Raskin claimed this screen size is optimal for working with text
[01:38] <TheSheep> his Cat had such a tiny screen too
[01:40] <thinkmassive> ick that's why I haven't taken the eeepc dive yet
[01:40] <thinkmassive> 480 is usable on something the size of a phone
[01:41] <taza> It's usable for everything but gaming and image editing
[01:41] <thinkmassive> not to rip on your eee, I still want one
[01:41] <thinkmassive> how many lines is that in a shell?
[01:42] <taza> Mabbe 20
[01:42] <thinkmassive> I would use the term tolerable, as opposed to usable
[01:42] <taza> It's usable
[01:42] <thinkmassive> the TRS-80 was usable too
[01:42] <taza> Aye
[01:43] <thinkmassive> I suppose for the price it's alright
[01:43] <taza> But you can game with the Eee too
[01:43] <ShiroUsagi> I still don`t get the need of split workspaces on EeePC.
[01:43] <taza> NWN1 works just fine
[01:43] <thinkmassive> hehe cool
[01:43] <taza> I want a split-in-the-half for coding
[01:43] <taza> My coding uses a lot of magic numbers and formulas.
[01:43] <ShiroUsagi> Open two windows and align them nicely :)
[01:43] <wers> what's the difference between lower window and hide window?
[01:44] <thinkmassive> my coding uses a lot of magic formulas and potions
[01:45] <taza> Well I code potions.
[01:45] <taza> Literally.
[01:46] <ShiroUsagi> And an enchanted fly swatter of perfect perception.
[01:46] <thinkmassive> taza: homebrew? or chem e?
[01:46] <taza> thinkmassive: RPG's
[01:46] <Maxwell6643> Hello
[01:46] <thinkmassive> taza: hah very good
[01:47] <Maxwell6643> Anyone know where I can find a list of ALL the abbreviations for keyboard layouts?
[01:49] <lc2> /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst is a good start
[01:50] <Maxwell6643> Ty.
[01:50] <Maxwell6643> And is there a convenient default keyboard shortcut to open up terminal in Xubuntu?
[01:51] <lc2> nope
[01:51] <lc2> also, hi again, i just remembered you
[01:52] <Maxwell6643> Hello :)
[01:52] <taza> Alsosleep
[01:52] <taza> 3am
[01:52] <lc2> oh
[01:52] <Maxwell6643> I for some reason (perhaps school, perhaps the large amount of THC ingested yesterday, I do not know) cannot remember how to open up a text file to edit it in the text editor.
[01:52] <lc2> settings manager, keyboard
[01:52] <Maxwell6643> (from terminal)
[01:52] <lc2> under "shortcuts"
[01:52] <lc2> add a new theme, then add your shortcut
[01:53] <Maxwell6643> Ty.
[01:53] <lc2> command should be xfce4-terminal
[01:53] <lc2> and anyway
[01:53] <lc2> your question is begging for a holy war about which is the correct text editor to use
[01:55] <ShiroUsagi> "Real programmers use butterflies…"
[02:04] <ShiroUsagi> Oh, well, 5 am here. Might as well get some sleep. Thanks for all the efforts, I`ll try to trace it better next time. Best of luck!
[02:05] <lc2> bye ShiroUsagi
[06:35] <skittles> hello there
[06:37] <lc2> O HAY BUDY
[08:14] <Abominus69> Hello, I am trying to share a folder so a Windows PC can view it.  I set up sharing and the Windows PC can see the folder, however it says I don't have permission to connect to it.  The folder currently only has my Xubuntu username as ownership.
[08:17] <Myrtti> use smbpasswd to create passwords - samba user rights are separate from the system user rights
[08:22] <Abominus69> Isn't there a way to just say share this folder to anyone without passwords?
[08:23] <Abominus69> In other words, have no security settings on the shared folder.
[08:25] <Myrtti> umm
[08:25] <Myrtti> sure
[08:26] <Myrtti> I've personally done it with editing the samba configuration file myself
[08:33] <cody-somerville> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba#head-d2b25687b553d3737873748f613fb60558db7c4d
[08:37] <Abominus69> Thanks, I'll give that a whirl.
[11:40] <powerpleb_> does anyone know whether it's possible to have the places menu plugin in the Applications menu?
[11:45] <TheSheep> it's not
[11:55] <powerpleb_> ok thnx
[11:58] <slaine_> Hey guys, was directed here from the #xfce channel
[11:58]  * gnomefreak waits
[11:58] <slaine_> Having a problem with the terminal application on my fresh Xunbuntu 8.04 installation
[11:58] <slaine_> You can see it here
[11:58] <slaine_> http://slaine.org/files/xubuntu_terminal.png
[11:59] <gnomefreak> slaine_: have you filed a bug on Launchpad.net?
[11:59] <slaine_> I don't know if it's a bug yet, now do I.
[11:59] <gnomefreak> slaine_: ummmm what is wrong with it?
[11:59] <gnomefreak> it looks normal here
[11:59] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: the black borders?
[11:59] <slaine_> The borders are not drawn, they're black
[11:59] <gnomefreak> slaine_: ah
[11:59] <Myrtti> is that only a terminal bug?
[12:00] <Myrtti> all the other apps work fine?
[12:00] <slaine_> It only happens with terminal (but it's sub windows like Help/About etc. have the same issue)
[12:00] <slaine_> Yes, all other apps I've tried so far work fine
[12:00] <Myrtti> so it's a bug between xfce4-terminal and xfwm, if I understand correctly
[12:01] <Myrtti> is this normal xubuntu, not eeexubuntu or ppc?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: good point :)
[12:02] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: been around too long not to know the right questions :-P
[12:02] <slaine_> Yes, it's normal xubuntu install
[12:02] <gnomefreak> that wasnt good :(
[12:02] <gnomefreak> it crashes here
[12:02] <Myrtti> xfce4-terminal?
[12:02] <gnomefreak> xterm4 crashes here
[12:03] <gnomefreak> slaine_: what theme are you using?
[12:03] <slaine_> About lists it as Terminal 0.2.8
[12:03] <gnomefreak> this works fine in gnome with xterm
[12:03] <slaine_> I'm not using gnome
[12:03] <slaine_> and it happens regardless of theme
[12:04] <gnomefreak> sorry it was xfterm4 that crashed here
[12:04] <gnomefreak> but i expect that
[12:05] <gnomefreak> the reason i ask about theme is because the gnome default theme doesnt show this issue here so maybe its the default theme on xfce that is causing this
[12:05] <slaine_> It was just suggested to disable composite explicitly in xorg.conf by the xfce guys. I'll give that a go later
[12:05] <gnomefreak> i am unable to change to xfce at this time
[12:05] <slaine_> I've changed the bit depth to 16 too and still the same problem
[12:06] <gnomefreak> slaine_: that could be the issue since its using compiz not default WM
[12:06] <slaine_> I'm not using compiz
[12:06] <Myrtti> composite in xubuntu is done with compiz?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: i thought it was
[12:07] <Myrtti> I've got no idea
[12:07] <gnomefreak> only kde4 doesnt use it afaik they have their own in kde4
[12:08] <slaine_> Yeah, the compositor is disabled via the Window Manager Tweaks app
[12:08] <gnomefreak> xubuntu doesnt have it enabled by default?
[12:08] <Myrtti> not that I know of
[12:08] <gnomefreak> once the right drivers are found ofcourse
[12:09]  * gnomefreak doesnt touch compiz other than to run tests on new software and bugs
[12:17] <slaine_> Yes, and I don't have a driver that's capable
[12:18] <slaine_> But it looks like Terminal application is expecting it to be there
[12:18] <slaine_> This is a right pain, as I use terminals a lot
[12:29] <slaine_> Ok, disabling composite explicitly via the xorg.conf file solved the problem
[12:32] <Myrtti> file a bug of it anyway
[14:06] <thinkmassive> any recommendations on a fast lightweight image viewer?
[14:06] <thinkmassive> it's annoying to open gimp everytime I want to preview an image
[14:09] <cody-somerville> Ristretto
[14:10] <thinkmassive> quick startup time?
[14:10] <thinkmassive> oh nice, I didn't even realize that's installed by default
[14:10] <thinkmassive> thanks cody-somerville
[14:42] <The-Kernel> !yelp
[14:42] <The-Kernel> !info yelp
[15:24] <AlexCONRAD> hi, installed xfce-panel and gdm, but when booting up, it seems to be an old X environement
[15:25] <AlexCONRAD> how can I make gdm to start xfce during boot ?
[15:25] <TheSheep> you can select it in the 'sessions' menu at the login
[15:25] <age6racer> Hi all, I dont seem to be able to install Restricted-Manager or Restricted-Manager-core They are part of the jockey package but reinstalling that doesn't help. When I try to install them directly it tells me that they have no availabel version
[15:25] <TheSheep> but xfce-panel is not enough
[15:25] <age6racer> any ideas?
[15:26] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep: what else would I need (it installed all kinds of dependencies)
[15:30] <Stroganoff> AlexCONRAD you need xfce-session
[15:30] <Stroganoff> and you need a window manager
[15:30] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: ok, i'll install that
[15:31] <TheSheep> the 'xfce4' metapackage should contain all you need, and some more
[15:31] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: i installed thunar already.
[15:32] <TheSheep> xfdesktop may be handy
[15:32] <Stroganoff> AlexCONRAD thunar is a file browser
[15:32] <Stroganoff> window manager examples: xfwm4 (used by xfce), openbox, fluxbox, icewm
[15:32] <Stroganoff> icewm brings it's own panel though
[15:32] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: I see. I guess that makes the pretty icons, right ?
[15:33] <Stroganoff> a window manager manages windows. move, resize, maximize, minimize...
[15:38] <AlexCONRAD> heh, I broke something I guess, I seem to be running xfce, but I have an empty screen with the menu that contains nothing (icon of some kind of sun), and i can only right click to see its properties and customize panel
[15:38] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: you need to install panel plugins
[15:38] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: by itself panel contains nothing
[15:39] <AlexCONRAD> ok :)
[15:39] <AlexCONRAD> well, how can I get my command line back ? :p
[15:39] <TheSheep> search synaptic for xfce plugin
[15:39] <TheSheep> alt+f2
[15:39] <TheSheep> and type xterm
[15:39] <TheSheep> you migth want to install xfce4-terminal
[15:40] <AlexCONRAD> yes
[15:40] <AlexCONRAD> alt+F2 doesn't do anything
[15:40] <AlexCONRAD> heh, I guess I'll just reinstall the box in minimal, and restart from there
[15:41] <AlexCONRAD> I'm installing a xubuntu minimal box, and want to add xfce on top, without the whole things I don't need, games, and others. I only want a browser (meant for kiosk mode)
[15:42] <AlexCONRAD> and I have a few boxes to setup, so I did some preseeding to automate the install: tasksel tasksel/first   multiselect     minimal, openssh-server
[15:50] <AlexCONRAD> ok, I'm back on a clean box with minimal install
[15:53] <TheSheep> at the minimum, you need xfce4-session and xfwm4
[15:53] <AlexCONRAD> so basicly: sudo apt-get install gdm xfce4-terminal xfce-session xfwm4 thunar firefox
[15:53] <AlexCONRAD> could get me going
[15:54] <TheSheep> you don't really need thunar
[15:54] <AlexCONRAD> alrigh
[15:54] <TheSheep> if it's a kioks, you probably don't want it
[15:54] <TheSheep> kiosk
[15:54] <AlexCONRAD> it is yes
[15:54] <TheSheep> xfce has some kiosk options for locking it up
[15:54] <TheSheep> firefox has some too
[15:54] <TheSheep> google should help
[15:55] <TheSheep> in extreme case, you could just start firefox instead of a window manager, in fullscreen
[15:55] <AlexCONRAD> I'd need xserver-xorg also I suppose, and xbase-fonts
[15:56] <AlexCONRAD> no, I still want them to have a desktop. I might have other apps available from the desktop
[15:56] <TheSheep> then you also need xfdesktop
[15:56] <AlexCONRAD> ah good to know...
[15:57] <TheSheep> and xfce4-panel for the panel, and some panel plugins
[15:57] <TheSheep> thunar if you want them to browse files
[15:58] <AlexCONRAD> maybe for their USB key yes
[15:59] <AlexCONRAD> doesn't xfce have a file browser? Or is thunar the one?
[16:01] <TheSheep> thunar is the one
[16:01] <TheSheep> it also has some plugins
[16:02] <AlexCONRAD> i saw that, like archive plug and so
[16:03] <AlexCONRAD> thunar-volman? Thunar extension for volumes management
[16:03] <AlexCONRAD> that could help for usb keys I guess
[16:07] <AlexCONRAD> I'll install pulseaudio as well, for having sound with flash/youtube
[16:43] <AlexCONRAD> okay, I'm a little better now: build-essential gdm xfonts-base xserver-xorg xfce4-session xfwm4 xfdesktop4 xfce4-panel xfce4-terminal thunar thunar-archive-plugin firefox
[16:44] <AlexCONRAD> I still have the menu bar wrong, its still empty
[16:44] <AlexCONRAD> and the icons are like white papers... I may be missing some theme
[17:00]  * cody-somerville nods.
[17:03] <Stroganoff> AlexCONRAD: xubuntu-default-settings
[17:03] <Stroganoff> fixes empty menu bar and whatnot
[17:05] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: thanks, I'll try that
[17:07] <Stroganoff> btw. you dont need pulseaudio for music+youtube, alsa with dmix suffices (in most cases anyway)
[17:08] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: any idea in which package the "autostarted application" can be ?
[17:09] <Stroganoff> maybe this one:
[17:09] <Stroganoff> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xfce4-utils
[17:09] <AlexCONRAD> ah yeah
[17:11] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: ah great, xubuntu-default-settings makes it look nicer!
[17:11] <AlexCONRAD> i'll install the utils now, and try to find where the icons are, in a theme probably
[17:12] <Stroganoff> tango
[17:12] <Stroganoff> or rodent
[17:12] <Stroganoff> i prefer tango
[17:13] <AlexCONRAD> oh, utils was installed already
[17:20] <Stroganoff> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xfce4
[17:36] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: when I do that apt-get install xfce4, I'm getting an error it's not found. I guess that's not on the CDROM
[17:36] <AlexCONRAD> i only have cdrom
[17:37] <AlexCONRAD> but i'll install everything from what's listed here
[17:41] <FreeFull> Hello. I just restarted my computer, and for some reason after I login in the GDM prompt, the desktop appears all garbled and there is no xfce4-panel, no xfce4-desktop and I can't start any programs in the X session because when I do try (DISPLAY=:0) the programs say that no protocol was specified.
[17:41] <FreeFull> Can anyone help please?
[17:43] <FreeFull> I did try apt-get purge xfce4-session and then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop (it got uninstalled together with xfce4-session).
[17:45] <FreeFull> Please? Anyone?
[17:53] <AlexCONRAD> man, these guys are in a hurry, heh ?
[17:56] <TheSheep> attention span of a mayfly
[17:57] <TheSheep> ooh, something shiny!
[18:00]  * AlexCONRAD is respining a xubuntu CD with tasks "minimal, openssh-server" and packages: build-essential gdm xfonts-base xserver-xorg xfce4-session xfwm4 xfdesktop4 xfce4-panel xfce4-terminal xubuntu-default-settings xfce4-mcs-plugins xfce4-mcs-plugins-extra tango-icon-theme thunar thunar-archive-plugin firefox
[18:00] <AlexCONRAD> i think it's going to rock
[18:01] <AlexCONRAD> light install, and still looks visually nice
[18:01] <TheSheep> :)
[18:01] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: and I prefer tango after comparaison ;)
[18:01] <TheSheep> I once had to prepare a really light kiosk install for a terminal
[18:02] <TheSheep> but I couldn't use xubuntu, as it only had 256MB flash drive
[18:02] <AlexCONRAD> ah yeah
[18:02] <Stroganoff> AlexCONRAD, next time you need a light install (and have net access) try this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631
[18:02] <AlexCONRAD> i have 250GB disk here, with 512RAM
[18:03] <Stroganoff> TheSheep as I understand ubuntu CLI install takes 600mb disk
[18:04] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: yes, that's why I had to use Archy and cut it up badly
[18:05] <AlexCONRAD> 600 megs ?!
[18:05] <TheSheep> also, squashfs helps
[18:05] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: yes, *buntus are huge
[18:05] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: they basically contain everything the user might ever need, from hardware point of view
[18:06] <AlexCONRAD> ok, install done (takes about 5 to 8 minutes, I never really counted)
[18:06] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: and languages, and locales, and drivers, etc.
[18:06] <Myrtti> AlexCONRAD: why firefox?
[18:06] <AlexCONRAD> Myrtti: what would you recommand ?
[18:08] <Myrtti> epiphany, dillo, kazehakase(though with a warning that there's a bug in it that makes it virtually unconfigurable)
[18:09] <TheSheep> everybody knows and loves firefox
[18:09] <AlexCONRAD> Myrtti: well, I guess FF makes it familiar to users ... i don't know, its the only one i'm using my self and I'm for sure not going to have IE running (is that even possible?)
[18:10] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/
[18:10] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: extremely handly for a web developer
[18:10] <Myrtti> TheSheep: everybody should slowly start loving epiphany
[18:11] <TheSheep> Myrtti: as soon as it comes with webkit backend
[18:11] <Myrtti> TheSheep: AlexCONRAD: note that ies4linux isn't actively developed
[18:11] <TheSheep> Myrtti: and has a decent adblocker that I can actually control
[18:11] <AlexCONRAD> ok, my setup looks good now... only I'm still missing some smoothness. Buttons still look very square-ish
[18:11] <Myrtti> true
[18:11] <AlexCONRAD> with a hard black shadow
[18:12] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: you need the murrina gtk theme
[18:12] <Stroganoff> AlexCONRAD, try gtk2-theme-switch
[18:12] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: the theme engine
[18:14] <AlexCONRAD> I find none of those on the CD
[18:15] <AlexCONRAD> sudo aptitude search murrina; sudo aptitude search switch
[18:15] <TheSheep> murrine
[18:15] <TheSheep> sorry
[18:15] <TheSheep> one is plural one is singular, not sure which is which
[18:18] <AlexCONRAD> installing gtk2-engines-murrine did the trick, thanks
[18:18] <AlexCONRAD> great!
[18:19] <AlexCONRAD> I guess I'm also missing some fonts... under gdm typing the password shows funny characters
[18:20] <TheSheep> ttf-dejavu
[18:21] <AlexCONRAD> i'll try that TheSheep, thanks
[18:21] <AlexCONRAD> you guys are super experts :)
[18:32] <AlexCONRAD> last but not least, the default mouse cursor theme used by xubuntu's missing
[18:35] <AlexCONRAD> got it: dmz-cursor-theme
[18:48] <N1ghtCrawler> what is the serial port usualy named?/How can I see the name of my serial port?
[18:50] <siggjen>  /dev/ttyS0
[18:51] <N1ghtCrawler> thanks
[19:40] <N1ghtCrawler> Hello, i have some problem to connect my GPS (a Garmin GPS 12) to my laptop with a serial interface. Looks like it's not sending any data. cat /dev/ttyS0 shows nothing
[19:46] <MrNaz> N1ghtCrawler are you sure you have the device enabled for rs232 mode?
[19:46] <N1ghtCrawler> the device as in my gps?
[19:47] <MrNaz> yes
[19:47] <MrNaz> perhaps the device has a "turn on serial output" option
[19:48] <N1ghtCrawler> humm, I'll se if i find something in the manual
[19:50] <N1ghtCrawler> Humm, maby i found something
[19:55] <N1ghtCrawler> I found a menu where I could set protocols. Set it to NEMA
[19:59] <N1ghtCrawler> How many baud is a standard seraial port talking at?
[20:00] <lc2> isn't it 115kbps?
[20:05] <N1ghtCrawler> nvm i'm askink questions and don't have any idea what i'm asking for
[20:05] <N1ghtCrawler> reciving data from the gps now :)
[20:06] <N1ghtCrawler> I had to change protocol on my gps
[20:09] <Myrtti> :-)
[20:28] <thinkmassive> I edited /etc/hosts but the domain name I entered is still resolving to the old (real) address, how do I dump the dns cache?
[20:33] <zoredache> thinkmassive: how are you testing that the name resolves?
[20:34] <thinkmassive> heh nevermind, I didn't realize host actually asked the DNS server
[20:34] <thinkmassive> I was confused why ping was aimed at the correct IP but host was not
[20:34] <zoredache> that was gonna tell ya.
[20:37] <thinkmassive> load testing is fun
[20:58] <socr> I do not think iptables is started in eeexubuntu, is it ?
[20:59] <thinkmassive> I don't think it's started in any xubuntu by default
[21:01] <Myrtti> errr.
[21:01] <Myrtti> so they've taken it from the kernel?
[21:02] <thinkmassive> huh?
[21:03] <Myrtti> iptables is built in the kernel I believe. you have it prolly in all of the linuxes, it just doesn't have any rules added to it, allowing all traffic
[21:05] <Myrtti> and if my babbling is confusing, please ignore
[21:07] <thinkmassive> I think that's correct
[21:07] <thinkmassive> on my centos boxes doing "service iptables stop" just turns off all the rules
[21:08] <Myrtti> so basically, if talking about standard *buntu*, you do have iptables on and started
[21:08] <Myrtti> but as said, it doesn't have any rules added per default.
[21:08] <thinkmassive> oh I see, socr might be asking if it's not even included in eeexubuntu
[21:09] <thinkmassive> that i do not know
[21:11] <socr> I think it is there, but indeed: no rules, allowing all.... weird...
[21:11] <zoredache> how is that weird?
[21:11] <socr> an open system by default ???
[21:11] <socr> rfeally...
[21:11] <socr> really...
[21:12] <zoredache> it is the same for any ubuntu.  But on the other hand there is no servers running by default so there is nothing to attack
[21:14] <socr> ok, true...  I found firestarter, it makes iptables rules.
[21:14] <socr> in /etc/firestarter
[21:21] <AlexCONRAD> hi, I just installed network-manager-gnome (which installed a bunch of deps), but I don't see anything in my menu
[21:22] <AlexCONRAD> I was expecting to have some "system" menu
[21:22] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: it normally adds itself to autostarted applications
[21:22] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: and sits in you systray
[21:22] <TheSheep> upir
[21:22] <TheSheep> your
[21:23] <AlexCONRAD> isn't that the graphical tool to let you control your network settings ?
[21:23] <Myrtti> if not, press alt-f2 and call for "nm-applet"
[21:23] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: no, that's network-admin
[21:24] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: part of gnome-system-tools
[21:24] <AlexCONRAD> and I don't find the xfce4 task manager in the CD. Is that normal?
[21:25] <TheSheep> yes, xubuntu uses the gnome system monitor instead, as it didn't add deps and is much more feature-rich
[21:43] <AlexCONRAD> my question might be odd and is not xubuntu specific related, but what's the diff between vmlinuz and initrd ?
[21:44] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: one contains the compressed kernel, the other contains initial root directory and initialization scripts
[21:44] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: they are then replaced with root mounted from the disk
[21:45] <AlexCONRAD> ok, I understood that if you uncompress - or look inside - initrd, you'll see something close to your system's structure, right ?
[21:45] <AlexCONRAD> then replaced ?
[21:46] <TheSheep> it's uncompressed into memory and used as the temporary root until your real root is mounted in its place
[21:46] <slow-motion> hi
[21:47] <TheSheep> good evening slow-motion
[21:47] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep: I see.
[21:47] <AlexCONRAD> hi slow-motion
[21:47] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: it also contains scripts that detect hardware and mount that root and such
[21:47] <slow-motion> hi TheSheep, AlexCONRAD
[21:48] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep: so there are two copies of these files ?
[21:51] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: what do you mean?
[21:52] <AlexCONRAD> so both are binary, and the version from the xubuntu CD is simply copied to your /boot folder during install. I'm asking these questions because the loaded network module (r8169 by default) is not the right one and it should be r8168 which is not provided with the distro. Drivers from Realtek and a patch for ubuntu (from the community) is available and I'd like to include this modification on the xubuntu CD i'm remastering for kiosk. But as it's
[21:52] <AlexCONRAD>  a module (not compiled in the kernel, thus not in vmlinuz), that module would live under initrd. So I'd need to rebluild the initrd.gz file and replace the one from the original ubuntu version.
[21:53] <TheSheep> no, modules are loaded much later
[21:53] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep: you say that they are replaced when the disk is mounted. Meaning that there's a "boot" version, which is then replaced from the "disk" version
[21:54] <TheSheep> they live in /lib/modules
[21:54] <TheSheep> initrd only needs the modules for hard disks and raid arrays and such
[21:55] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep: i understand
[21:55] <TheSheep> network modules are loaded much later, when the disk is already mounted
[21:55] <AlexCONRAD> but people who made the patch say to make it persistant, you need to mkinitrdfs
[21:56] <TheSheep> then I don't know
[21:56] <AlexCONRAD> but where does the vmlinuz and initrd live if the disk is not yet mounted ?
[21:57] <AlexCONRAD> where are they loaded from
[21:57] <AlexCONRAD> thanks for these info anyway, its helpful
[21:58] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: they are loaded by Grub from disk to memory
[21:59] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: grub remembers where they live on the disk, so it doesn't need all the fancy drivers
[21:59] <TheSheep> (I'm simplyfying here a little)
[22:14] <slow-motion> listen to german music http://radio4us.gamershome.org:8000/listen.pls
[22:24] <slow-motion> n8
[23:41] <lsolesen> xfce does not allow me to lock the screen. and I do not want an ugly screensaver, just a locked screen with a login box. is that possible
[23:42] <TheSheep> install xlockmore
[23:43] <lsolesen> TheSheep: but it is an ugly screensaver :)
[23:44] <TheSheep> lsolesen: configure it
[23:46] <lsolesen> ok.
[23:49] <ArthurArchnix> you can't configure the xscreesaver?
[23:49] <Stroganoff> you can
[23:49] <ArthurArchnix> ok
[23:49] <Stroganoff> ~/.xscreensaver
[23:51] <ArthurArchnix> well that's a strange little file
[23:52] <ArthurArchnix> But it looks like I can maybe set a fortune from the fortunes program...
[23:52]  * ArthurArchnix gets a little excited...


[01:21] <Prodi> i'm trying to figure out why i'm getting some weird conflicts when merge a branch back into the "trunk"
[01:22] <Prodi> and how to avoid getting them in the future, since this should be a conflict, as it's a straight file modification
[01:23] <Prodi> i branched my trunk into "branch"
[01:23] <Prodi> added file to branch
[01:24] <Prodi> merged back into trunk, worked fine
[01:24] <Prodi> modified that file on branch
[01:24] <Prodi> merged back into trunk, but the trunk "bzr log" doesn't seem to think i got the change from the branch, it thinks i made it locally
[01:25] <Prodi> new change to the file on the branch, trying to merge it in, and now i'm getting a file and file.moved as a conflict
[02:35] <Prod[a]> anyone know how to check the file-id of a file on the working tree?
[02:54] <fullermd> ls has a --show-ids
[03:14] <Prod[a]> cool thanks
[04:48] <Prod[a]> i'm trying to clean up these two trees i'm merging still
[04:48] <Prod[a]> and it seems that some of the files didn't get merged properly
[04:48] <Prod[a]> they were there in my original "trunk"
[04:48] <Prod[a]> and they're there in the branch
[04:48] <Prod[a]> but after the merge, the files have disappeared


[12:19] <The_Miser> ;;ticker --last
[12:19] <The_Miser> Oh shoot ...
[13:53] <thafreak> ?
[18:35] <Unit193> It's a bitcoin thing, trying to invoke gribble.
[18:35] <paultag> it's sub-100 USD now
[18:50] <dzho> haha, planet money just did a bitcoin episode
[18:52] <paultag> Oh no way
[18:52] <paultag> was it good?
[18:56] <dzho> didn't hear it yet.  It came out yesterday, apparently.  It showed up as I was googling for bitcoin news.
[18:57] <dzho> of which there isn't much in the MSM about what's happening now
[18:57] <dzho> so, all I've got is http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c2vts/too_many_users_on_bitcoin_subreddit_possible_ddos/
[19:11] <Cheri703> http://buttcoin.org/
[19:24] <dzho> yeah, looks like their figures are from bitcoinity
[19:25] <The_Miser> Hey, what can I say ... I dabble in it.  Also use Ubuntu to hold bitcoind.  That's what I get for having multiple IRC windows open.
[19:27] <dzho> heh.
[19:27] <dzho> unit of account, store of value, medium of exchange.
[19:28] <dzho> I'm watching the whole phenomenon to see how much bitcoin satisfies any of these three functions of money.
[19:57] <Cheri703> I'm just amused watching the zealots and the haters :)
[20:16] <dzho> so, the best part of the bitcoin thing for me is how much all the folks wrapped up in it undermine that last function entirely, by obsessing over the "value" of bitcoin in another currency.
[20:17] <dzho> if it is a unit of account, you talk about the relative value over time of various goods and services etc in terms of bitcoin
[20:21] <skellat> Greenbacks, gold bullion, quit claim deeds to acreage that can be farmed <-- Things I'll accept
[20:23] <The_Miser> Someone told me once: "Cash, guns, and ground (i.e. land)".  Not sure if he was serious.