[16:30] <Tm_T> Tycho: no really, just keep your daily upgrades on
[16:30] <Blues-Man> which debian/ubuntu package I have to download in order to write kde4 plasma widget?
[16:30] <Blues-Man> i m not able to cmake the example in the tutorial on kde website
[16:30] <wayneward> i see that it upgrades the kernel packages on the RC version thats it!
[16:30] <Tm_T> Blues-Man: depends
[16:30] <Blues-Man> Tm_T, i m reading this http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/GettingStarted
[16:30] <Tm_T> Blues-Man: read techbase carefully, most of the instructions are there
[16:30] <Tycho> Bummer :( KDE 4 is really messed up
[16:30] <Blues-Man> but I can't cmake it for a plasma lib required i think
[16:31] <benjamin> is there a way to see which version of kubuntu i'm using? i think i've upgraded, but i'm not sure
[16:31] <Tm_T> Blues-Man: then see what is missing and install it
[16:31] <Tm_T> !version
 i bet you miss the dev-packages of plasma...
[16:33] <Blues-Man> ok
[16:36] <benjamin> the "Full upgrade" button is grayed out in adept_manager, how do i upgrade to 8.10?
[16:38] <Tycho> I'm experiencing a lot of problems with KDE4 such a buggy splash screen, missing KDE sounds and crashes with dolphin and kwin. Whats the easiest way to wipe all kde packages and config files so they can be reinstalled?
[16:39] <randry> I need help ,please
[16:39] <randry> my wireless is not working
[16:39] <victorjdh> Ok
[16:39] <randry> ubuntu 6.06
[16:40] <randry> BCM 4311
[16:40] <DaHopi> has anybody experience with partition resizing ? how long will it take to resize a 250G partition with 85% availible space to 2 partitions with 125G?
[16:40] <KDesk> Plasma has crashed, has it a log lo look at?
[16:40] <victorjdh> why do you not update your distribution
[16:40] <pritam> I am trying to upgrade from Kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 and i did kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" and followed the steps but i could not find the Distribution upgrade tool that this process downloaded on my computer
[16:40] <victorjdh> ?
[16:40] <icycube> what is better, alternate installer or graphic-one?
[16:40] <DaHopi> i wanna clean install
[16:41] <victorjdh> do you have many files in your hd?
[16:41] <randry> and another problem , I can''t access to ny networking manager
[16:41] <victorjdh> xP
[16:41] <DaHopi> yeah i think.. java / php developer with many frameworks
[16:41] <victorjdh> nice
[16:41] <randry> I entered the admin password but it refuses
[16:41] <victorjdh> try to get a live cd iso
[16:42] <victorjdh> can you?
[16:42] <DaHopi> y. im on live no
[16:42] <DaHopi> w
[16:43] <randry> any suggestion pease
[16:43] <randry> please
[16:43] <victorjdh> get a live cd iso
[16:43] <victorjdh> and install the packages
[16:43] <randry> live cd iso?
[16:43] <randry> what is that?
[16:43] <victorjdh> yeh
[16:43] <randry> what is live cd iso?
[16:44] <victorjdh> a linux distribution, that runs at cd
[16:44] <victorjdh> not at the hd
[16:44] <victorjdh> but you can install it
[16:44] <victorjdh> easy than...
[16:44] <randry> and?
[16:45] <randry> and how to solve the networking password
[16:45] <victorjdh> your problem will be resolved
[16:46] <victorjdh> O.o    I didn't know it
[16:46] <randry> I entered the right password but it refuses
[16:46] <victorjdh> really...
[16:46] <randry> yes
[16:46] <benjamin> double check your caps lock and num lock
[16:47] <victorjdh> well.  can you download anything?
[16:47] <Nikke> My graphics are still slow very slow, i got the new driver and a XFX Nvidia 6200A card.. i disabled all desktop effects, but still very slow
[16:47] <randry> system>admin>networking , I entered the admin password but it says password invalid
[16:47] <randry> I have checked several times
[16:47] <metbsd> can i use windows unetbootin to make a usb pen and install software to it?
[16:48] <randry> dowload anything? yes I can through cable but not wireless
[16:49] <enzo> hi
[16:49] <victorjdh> if you have a cable connection now, you have to get a new ubuntu version
[16:49] <randry> but I love ubuntu dapper
[16:49] <enzo> i'd like to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10, but i have a nvidia card, i've seen problem with package nvidia, do you know when it will be corrected ?
[16:50] <randry> is it not possible to solve this?
[16:50] <victorjdh> maybe it will be resolved doing that
[16:50] <victorjdh> i dont know
[16:50] <victorjdh> other way
[16:51] <randry> OK
[16:51] <victorjdh> is your wireless card an BCM 4311
[16:51] <victorjdh> ?
[16:51] <randry> yes
[16:52] <randry> bcm4311
[16:52] <victorjdh> please, wait a moment ok?
[16:52] <randry> ubuntu dapper
[16:53] <randry> yes
[16:54] <victorjdh> hey guy
[16:54] <victorjdh> that card only works at the windows
[16:54] <DaHopi> enzo: i'v installed nvidia-glx-173 without problem..
[16:54] <faileas> hmm
[16:54] <faileas> intrepid comes with dkms dosen't it?
[16:54] <victorjdh> but you can try do a thing
[16:54] <enzo> yes i've seen that in the changelog in fact DaHopi, so my upgrade should be ok
[16:55] <randry> what?
[16:55] <White_Pelican> I read on slashdot that there is an update to nvidia "legacy" drivers that fixes the xorg 1.6 compatibility problem
[16:55] <victorjdh> access: http://    www.zcentric.com/blog/2006/12/get_the_broadcom_bcm4311_to_wo_1.html
[16:55] <White_Pelican> when that will echo through to Intrepid I'm not sure
[16:55] <victorjdh> or http://hardware4linux.info/component/21943/
[16:55] <memeemeee> I need help connecting to my router through static ip
[16:55] <a_c_m> wtf - no katapult for kde4?
[16:55] <noam_> what are the differences between using kubuntu and using KDE installed on ubuntu? i've noticed that, for example, firefox for kubuntu uses a different theme, one with KDE widgets. what else is different?
[16:55] <victorjdh> i just find it.
[16:55] <ersi> allo
[16:55] <White_Pelican> 1.6 s/b 1.5
[16:56] <Guest87319> Hello, I would like to know if kubuntu 8.10 includes the e1000e kernel bug fix ?
[16:56] <victorjdh> I'm sorry for my english, i'm learning( im brazilian) :)
[16:56] <victorjdh> I'll leave the computer right now. I have things to do. ^^
[16:56] <victorjdh> See you guy!
[16:57] <faileas> Guest87319: on mine i think the card is still disabled
[16:57] <DaHopi> afaik the module is disabled like in 8.10 beta
[16:58] <memeemeee> I need help connecting to my router through static ip. can't ping the router. everything SHOULD work
[16:58] <victorjdh> I think was useful. Bye!
[16:58] <Guest87319> But linux <IP_ADDRESS> mark this bug as fixed ?
[16:59] <Guest87319> http://lwn.net/Articles/303390/
[17:00] <KDesk> How can I stop the hp-systray from apearing every time when I log in?
[17:00] <saso> can anybody help me about sharing the files????
[17:01] <tlukas> hey, how is kubuntu 8.10
[17:01] <tlukas> is kde4 finally usable in it ?
[17:01] <saso> SHARING FILES PROBLEMS! HELP??
[17:01] <faileas> IMO yes
[17:01] <faileas> YMMV
[17:01] <PeperJohnny> hello can anyone give me please his sources.list . mine wasnt installed because of a messed up cd :<
[17:01] <saso> please contact me
[17:02] <faileas> PeperJohnny: for which?
[17:02] <PeperJohnny> faileas: intrepid
[17:02] <memeemeee> I need help connecting to my router through static ip. can't ping the router. everything SHOULD work
[17:02] <faileas> PeperJohnny: gimme a moment. i can pastebin mine. i do have a few extras so... as always read through it first
[17:02] <memeemeee> !static
[17:02] <memeemeee> !staticip
[17:02] <JuJuBee> What does this mean?  kernel: [15461.803795] lockd: server <IP_ADDRESS> not responding
[17:02] <PeperJohnny> faileas: thanks
[17:02] <tlukas> what's the version of kde4 shipping with kubuntu now ?
[17:03] <saso> SHARING FILES PROBLEMS! HELP??
[17:03] <DaHopi> tlukas: 4.1.2
[17:03] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: Did you remember to set a default gw?
[17:03] <tlukas> DaHopi: do kde3 applications not available in kde4 yet work withotu problems there? (like konversation for example)
[17:04] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: route add default gw <router IP address>
[17:04] <enzo> could you give me the page that explains the upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 please ?
[17:04] <memeemeee> ok Darthfrog I'll try thanks
[17:04] <DaHopi> tlukas: im writing you from konversation on kde 4.1.2 8.10 live
[17:04] <faileas> PeperJohnny: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64691/ i commented out proposed and winff ...
[17:05] <PeperJohnny> thanks =)
[17:05] <faileas> saso: might wanna learn a little about irc etiquitte...
[17:05] <faileas> saso: what kinda file sharing?
[17:05] <saso> SHARING FILES PROBLEMS! HELP??
[17:05] <Pici> !caps
[17:05] <memeemeee> hmm
[17:05] <memeemeee> Darthfrog, not working
[17:05] <saso> OK:))
[17:05] <faileas> PeperJohnny: still its modified a fair bit so.. take a look. i tried to comment any repos i added myself
[17:06] <tlukas> DaHopi: can you make me a screenie? I just can't wait for the torrent to finish :P
[17:06] <Guest87319> Can any1 tell me what is the exact kernel version of kubuntu 8.10 ?
[17:06] <PeperJohnny> i will only use the default ones. thanks big time
[17:06] <memeemeee> Darthfrog, when i type gateway it says <IP_ADDRESS> I need it to be <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:06] <Darthfrog> Guest87319: Linux hyla 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Thu Oct 30 04:12:22 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:07] <DaHopi> tlukas: wait a minute..
[17:07] <tlukas> thanks!
[17:07] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: USe this: sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:07] <Guest87319> Thanks
[17:07] <saso> sharing files problems. need some help
[17:07] <faileas> saso: what kinda file sharing?
[17:08] <Guest87319> e -7- is kubuntu internal numbering, right ? That means they don't use the latest <IP_ADDRESS> kernel ?
[17:09] <memeemeee> how long should it take to complete Darthfrog?
[17:09] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: Immediately.
[17:09] <saso> faileas: but the problem arises when i want to upload/download files from stationary to laptop
[17:10] <faileas> saso: what problem and what protocol?
[17:10] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: What network device (eth0?) are you using?  What static IP are you trying to assign to it?
[17:10] <saso> ftp
[17:10] <DaHopi> tlukas: http://www.hopi-x.de/screen.jpg
[17:10] <saso> on laptop there is kubuntu
[17:11] <saso> on desktop computer there is ubuntu
[17:11] <saso> laptop can download/uploaf files from the other computer
[17:11] <saso> but not vice versa
[17:11] <faileas> using what protocol?
[17:11] <faileas> fish?
[17:11] <saso> gftp
[17:12] <tlukas> DaHopi: nice!!! has also the glitty effects right ?
[17:12] <memeemeee> so Darthfrog, it's eth0 and <IP_ADDRESS> router is at <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:12] <tlukas> I got an nvidia 8800
[17:12] <faileas> hmm
[17:12] <faileas> saso: do you have a ftp server set up on the laptop?
[17:12] <saso> yes
[17:12] <memeemeee> I now have default added to my ip table Darthfrog
[17:13] <faileas> saso: well thats what i'd check. still depends on the exact nature of the error too
[17:14] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: Put this stanza in /etc/network/interfaces:http://paste.ubuntu.com/64696/
[17:14] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: Then restart networking.
[17:14] <memeemeee> Darthfrog, "Destination: default Gateway: <IP_ADDRESS> Genmask: <IP_ADDRESS> Flags: UG Metric: 100 Use: 0 Iface: eth0
[17:14] <tlukas> thanks DaHopi
[17:14] <saso> faileas: the problem is that when i try to upload7download from desktop computer writes the next:trying to conect 192.168....... connected to 192.168......
[17:14] <tlukas> :P
[17:14] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: Leave out the line numbers I inadvertantly pasted. :-)
[17:14] <enzo> can you give me the page that explains how to upgrade from kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 ? i remember one bot of this chan can give this page, i don't remember the trigger
[17:15] <faileas> saso: and?
[17:15] <saso> that's it
[17:15] <DaHopi> tlukas: ive got a nvidia 6200 512MB PCI (yeah really).. it rocks with glitter :)
[17:15] <saso> nothing happens
[17:15] <faileas> wierd
[17:15] <brazilian_joe> how do I upgrade to Intrepid? update-manager -d is for ubuntu only I believe
[17:15] <tlukas> :D
[17:15] <DaHopi> tlukas: u're welcome.. leaving now.. cya :)
[17:16] <enzo> and in fact i don't want to upgrade with a gui, but with apt-get only
[17:16] <memeemeee> Darthfrog, [fail]
[17:17] <faileas> brazilian_joe: any command that wotks on ubuntu will work on kubuntu
[17:17] <saso> faileas:when i have got the ubuntu on the laptop i could only reach the shared folder, and the others too. From the other computer i could reach all files and folders
[17:17] <bibstha> sigh it finally came out :-)
[17:17] <memeemeee> Darthfrog, "option with empty value"
[17:17] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: From what?
[17:18] <saso> faileas:is there a problem because i've got kubuntu based on wubi
[17:18] <beta-guy> I have a WPA wireless network how can I get kubuntu to connect to it?
[17:18] <faileas> saso: no. i think the issue seems to be with permissions
[17:18] <Darthfrog> beta-guy: Use knetworkmanager.
[17:18] <enzo> will I be able to use k3b if i upgrade to intrepid ?
[17:19] <memeemeee> Darthfrog, ifdown and ifup
[17:19] <faileas> enzo: i think so
[17:19] <saso> faileas:any clue how to do it
[17:19] <beta-guy> Darthfrog: I thried it it appears to only support WEP
[17:19] <enzo> how can i be sure faileas?
[17:19] <memeemeee> Darthfrog, what am I putting in my interfaces file? looked like a url??!?!!
[17:19] <Darthfrog> beta-guy: Nope, supports WPA and WPA2.
[17:19] <brazilian_joe> faileas: the thing is, I don't know if running update-manager would turn my Kubuntu 8.04.1 into an Ubuntu 8.10, since it's listed as a Gnome app, flagged as a Ubuntu app in adept and is not even installed by default on Kubuntu (at least not on my system)
[17:19] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: Click on the URL.
[17:20] <faileas> saso: not too sure. never set up FTP
[17:20] <faileas> enzo: i could test if i wasn't sitting in the dark ;p
[17:21] <saso> faileas:thanks any way. i have to go now. bye
[17:21] <faileas> brazilian_joe: i seem to recall between 7,10 and 8.04 i was asked to update graphically
[17:22] <memeemeee> ok Darthfrog so I already have all that in my /etc/network/interfaces
[17:22] <brazilian_joe> hum nothing has shown up on my screen so far, and I have already updated my sources
[17:22] <memeemeee> that's why I need help Darthfrog. because I still can't get it to ping the router!
[17:23] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: OK, now "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart".  See if it works.
[17:23] <memeemeee> that's what I've been doing
[17:24] <memeemeee> Destination Host Unreachable :(
[17:24] <wayneward> i was on intrepid RC with the kernel linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic now im upgrading to the release version and it upgrading my kernel to linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic
[17:24] <wayneward> which is the same int it!?
[17:24] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: do you have any other network devices in your system?
[17:25] <memeemeee> u mean other computers attatched?
[17:25] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: No.  in *your* system.
[17:25] <enzo> someone has testes to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 with adept manager, all is perfectly working ?
[17:25] <memeemeee> sorry Darthfrog. I'm not sure what you mean
[17:25] <wayneward> memeemeee uncomment any settings apart from loopback in your network/interfaces
[17:26] <wayneward> then restart network
[17:26] <memeemeee> nothing is commented
[17:26] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: How many things in your computer can you plug a network cable into?  Any wireless network cards?
[17:26] <wayneward> try ->  dhclient eth0 and try -> dhclient eth1
[17:27] <memeemeee> ah. nope just the one ethernet port and no other cards. I actually just took out the factory modem because it was causing complications at boot Darthfrog
[17:27] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: Check the network cable.  If isn't loose, replace it with a known good cable and try again.
[17:28] <memeemeee> ah Darthfrog good idea. I do have a cat after all ;)
[17:28] <Nikke> is it impossible to get kde 3.5.10 on intrepid?
[17:29] <faileas> Nikke: there seems to be a howto on the forums
[17:29] <Nikke> faileas: okey thank you
[17:29] <wayneward> u might as well stick with hardy whats the point!? backport
[17:30] <memeemeee> Darthfrog, should my /etc..interfaces have a network entry? what about broadcast?
[17:30] <faileas> wayneward: true
[17:30]  * faileas has grown to love KDE4 ;p
[17:30] <Nikke> wayneward: yes true but i want to use KDE4 but i got big problems with my nvidia card
[17:31] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: You did all that when you edited the file with the info I gave you in the pastbin URL.  That was supposed to be a permanent change, so that things are set up right upon booting.
[17:31] <wayneward> i been running it for a few weeks now and have seen some improvements in this time
[17:31]  * faileas seems to be hearing that a lot
[17:31] <memeemeee> Darthfrog, there was no info for broadcast or network. I've just seen them in a lot of online helps so wondered if i needed them
[17:32] <wayneward> i use a nvidia 6600 and cant have desktop effect on apart from that i have dula monitor working fime with the new version intrepid
[17:32] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: Mind doesn't have either network or broadcast settings, I presume the default works. :-)
[17:32] <memeemeee> new cable... works fine. "Destination Host Unreachable" Darthfrog
[17:33] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: Have you tried dhcp?  Does it work?
[17:33] <memeemeee> nope. not working either
[17:33] <memeemeee> this all started when I tried to set static ip with Kcontrol
[17:33] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: sudo ifconfig eth0 down && sudo dhclient eth0
[17:33] <Nikke> wayneward: i got XFX GeForce 6200A
[17:34] <brazilian_joe> found it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu :)
[17:34] <Nikke> wayneward: dont work so well, very slow
[17:34] <wayneward> should be ok with desktop effects off?
[17:34] <W8TAH> hi how do i UNinstall a plasmoid that i installed from a file so that i can install the repaired version?
[17:34] <wayneward> my network conf  copy this http://pastebin.com/f448883f7
[17:34] <Nikke> W8TAH: can't you just click uninstall?
[17:35] <W8TAH> Nikke, i can remove it from the desktop but i cant seem to remove it from the add widgets list
[17:35] <administrator> whowas nikke
[17:35] <W8TAH> or uninstall totally
[17:35] <memeemeee> Darthfrog, "no DHCPOFFERS received"
[17:35] <Nikke> administrator: ?
[17:36] <Nikke> W8TAH: hmm strange
[17:37] <W8TAH> i really like plasma -- but getting what i need to work is a bit tedious
[17:37] <W8TAH> superkaramba themes dont play right sometimes
[17:37] <W8TAH> and plasmoids dont fulfill the needs
[17:37] <administrator> pardon me, I was trying to explain to someone the language that is usable in IRC and just randomly picked something
[17:38] <Nikke> administrator: ah okey =)
[17:38] <gustavo> Hello. After I upgraded(?) to v8.10, I can't access wireless nor wired networks. What should I do? I have no idea where to start.
[17:38] <administrator>   Just reboot and then hit esc and pick an earlier version
[17:38] <beta-guy_> gustavo: if you can't get wireless or wired how are you talking to us?
[17:38] <Mixed432> anyone knows how to configure the scroll wheel on a USB mousie?
[17:39] <gustavo> beta-guy_: this is another computer
[17:39] <beta-guy_> oh :)
[17:39] <wayneward> do you mean to make it scroll the mouse
[17:39] <JuJuBee> What id the difference between this (<IP_ADDRESS>:/home     /home   nfs     soft        2       0) from fstab and this (sudo mount <IP_ADDRESS>:/home /home) ? besides the one from fstab being mounted at startup.
[17:39] <Mixed432> wayneward, yes, when I scroll the wheel up or down while browsing firefox i want the page to scroll up and down, just like it does in windows
[17:40] <administrator> turn on smooth scrolling i do believe
[17:40] <wayneward> ah does it  scroll up and down in konqueror or a open office doc but not firefox?
[17:40] <wayneward> or no scroll at all
[17:41] <wayneward> test oe konqueror and try scrolling a web page
[17:41] <Mixed432> wayneward it doesnt scroll at all but when i click down on the mouse it acts funny, it's as it I typed something in the URL and pressed "enter"
[17:42] <wayneward> you basically need this line in your | etc | X11 | xorg.conf ->   Option         "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[17:42] <wayneward> in input device section
[17:42] <wayneward> mouse section
[17:42] <grisu_> Hi, dunno if this is already known. But http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download points to the wrong directory for alternate CD's. Guess that should be fixed.
[17:43] <joshual> hey folks, is there anything I can do to force ubuntu-amd64 to be a pure amd64 system (not install 32 bit libs etc)?
[17:43] <Mixed432> Option		"ZAxisMapping"	"4 5"
[17:44] <Mixed432> Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[17:44] <wayneward> yip
[17:44] <Mixed432> wayneward, that's what I have in xorg.conf, it still wont work
[17:44] <Mixed432> Option		"Device"	"/dev/psaux"
[17:45] <wayneward> thats all right - have u tried pulling it out and trying in another usb slot
[17:45] <wayneward> is this on intrepid?
[17:45] <Mixed432> no, this is on ubuntustudio, let me try another USB slot then
[17:46] <wayneward> are you running kde on top of ubuntustudio
[17:47] <Sir> somebody please help.  i removed all packages with compiz and now all programs that automatically boot will not show up in my taskbar.  because of this i can't get to adept manager to reinstall the package that may be causing my problem.  another problem is that the frame around my windows does not exitst, therefore i can't move or close them (without going to the file menu).
[17:47] <Mixed432> wayneward, i tried KDE for a while, right now im using gnome, it does the same thing on both
[17:50] <kronoman> I have a ext3 filesystem, I keep erasing files, yet reports 0 bytes free, what is wrong?
[17:50] <JuJuBee> Is samba better than nfs?  Should I use samba to mount /home for my students or nfs?
[17:51] <Mixed432> kronoman, empty the thrash bin
[17:51] <memeemeee> so Darthfrog. can we look back at the ip tables?
[17:51] <kronoman> Mixed432: I'm using rm -rf to erase, not GUI commands
[17:51] <kronoman> also erased .Trash already too
[17:51] <memeemeee> or Darthfrog do you think it might have something to do with the /etc/networks ?
[17:52] <wayneward> try opening a termnal and remove something using rm filename
[17:52] <wayneward> then do df -h
[17:52] <JuJuBee> Anybody?  nfs vs. samba ?
[17:52] <wayneward> see if you delete omething
[17:52] <Mixed432> kronoman, maybe youre deleting on the wrong directory?  try "sudo fdisk -l"  so you can view your partitions
[17:52] <Salze> kronoman: I've had that before, too. Seems to happen (from time to time) with big deletes. Waiting a while or unmounting (rebooting) has helped for me.
[17:53] <wayneward> depends want any windows boxes to access your shares is so samba is pretty easy to configure
[17:53] <kronoman> I tried reboot, unmout, mount again, df -h, nothing, stills 0 bytes free
[17:53] <kronoman> maybe the filesystem is corrupt?
[17:53] <wayneward> sounds like it unmount it and check it
[17:54] <kronoman> going to try that, thanks
[17:54] <anita_> http://www.algeciras.es/party08/
[17:55] <sba61> hi, how do I disable tooltips on the panel?
[17:59] <simi> hi, if someopne can give me some advice in my problem with power management on a laptop please read this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6048506#post6048506
[18:03] <Handcrafted> Is the desktop-x86 kubuntu 8.10 also a live disk?
[18:03] <faileas> yes
[18:03] <Handcrafted> thanks
[18:03] <faileas> unless its alternate
[18:03] <killermach> does anyone know if there is a dimdim channel?
[18:03] <Nece228> congrats on kubuntu 8.01
[18:04] <Nece228> *8.10
[18:04] <Nikke> is it possible to go from kubuntu to ubuntu without do a new install?
[18:04] <Tm_T> !puregnome | Nikke
[18:05] <Nece228> i shiped free kubuntu cds
[18:05] <Nece228> now ill look does kubuntu maked kde4 full featured desktop
[18:06] <faileas> yup
[18:08] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: Sorry, I was AFK for a bit.  You can try "sudo iptables -F" if you think that a firewall rule is the problem.
[18:08] <Nece228> anyway im goint to install amarok 2 beta instead of 1.4
[18:08] <sba61> do you guys get ugly firefox tabs as well?
[18:13] <Darthfrog> sba61: I have the Colourful Tabs extension installed.  Looks nice to me. :-)
[18:13] <faileas> Nece228: i'd suggest waiting on that
[18:14] <KDesk> How can I stop the hp-systray from apearing every time when I log in?
[18:14] <memeemeee> ok Darthfrog. my ip table looks like this http://pastebin.com/d4f1dda35
[18:15] <Darthfrog> KDesk: If you never need it, delete it from the system.  Use Adept to search for it, then delete the installed package.
[18:15] <KDesk> Darthfrog: ok, thanks!
[18:15] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: That's your routing table.
[18:15] <isaacj87> Hey everyone. Quick and easy questions...I'm currently running openSUSE 11.1 beta 3, but I can't stand YaST. Does Kubuntu 8.10 install KDE 4.1.2 by default? If so, will Kubuntu get the KDE matinence release updates?
[18:15] <memeemeee> right. that's what i meant
[18:16] <memeemeee> we were talking about it earlier
[18:16] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: Looks fine to me.
[18:17] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: I'm out of ideas, sorry.
[18:17] <joshual> anyone running kubuntu amd64? if so how did you install flash plugin ? I'm trying to figure out the best way, I use Opera browser.
[18:17] <Darthfrog> Other than trying dhclient to see if DHCP works.
[18:17] <PeperJohnny> joshual: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[18:18] <memeemeee> wow! no one can help me! I even got the network gurus at ##networking to look at it and they can't help!
[18:18] <sba61> Darthfrog: great, not that I need the colorful tabs but it solved my issues :)
[18:19] <Darthfrog> memeemeee: Try this: sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop && sudo dhclient eth0
[18:19] <ubuntu_> help
[18:19] <winterelf> hi, i need to know if i m using the wireless driver iwl3945 , what is the command to check that out?
[18:19] <Darthfrog> sba61: They'll grow on you. :-)
[18:19] <Darthfrog> winterelf:  lsmod | grep iwl3945
[18:20] <ubuntu_> what error 17 means?
[18:20] <winterelf> Darthfrog: thanks
[18:20] <joshual> PeperJohnny: are you running kubuntu amd64? There are different methods for us... 3 different methods
[18:20] <memeemeee> brb
[18:21] <mankeletor> hey there, how can I make work ath0 in kubuntu?
[18:21] <winterelf> Darthfrog: i got this message..... (sorry about the mass)
[18:21] <PeperJohnny> joshual: yes i am and the method i wrote is one very simple
[18:21] <winterelf> iwl3945                96244  0
[18:21] <winterelf> lbm_iwl_mac80211      242292  1 iwl3945
[18:21] <winterelf> rfkill                  8596  2 iwl3945
[18:21] <winterelf> led_class               6020  1 iwl3945
[18:21] <winterelf> lbm_iwl_cfg80211       33248  2 iwl3945,lbm_iwl_mac80211
[18:21] <winterelf> \
[18:22] <winterelf> what is that mean? i m using it or not?
[18:22] <Darthfrog> winterelf: Use pastebin for output.
[18:22] <joshual> PeperJohnny: I thought that there was a method that only installed the plugin so that you didnt have to install 32bit libraries?
[18:22] <Darthfrog> !paste | winterelf
[18:22] <joshual> amd I wrong?
[18:22] <winterelf> ho, cool
[18:23] <joshual> I meant "am I wrong?"
[18:23] <Darthfrog> winterelf: Yes, it means your kernel is loading that driver.
[18:23] <PeperJohnny> joshual: hmm ill look for it but i didnt heard of such a method
[18:24] <Darthfrog> mankeletor: Use jockey-kde to install the drivers for your Atheros card, then use knetworkmanager to set up wireless networking.
[18:24] <winterelf> Darthfrog: it means lsmod tells me about all the drivers that are loaded right now?
[18:24] <joshual> PeperJohnny: have you ever tried the free flash plugin alternatives, like gnash and swf-player?
[18:25] <Darthfrog> winterelf:  Yes.  and use "modprobe" to load new ones and "rmmod" to remove loaded drivers.
[18:25] <mankeletor> Darthfrog: thx :)
[18:25] <PeperJohnny> joshual: though i read that gnash improved a lot
[18:25] <TheFuzzball> Hi, How do I add Kubuntu to NTLDR's boot.ini?
[18:25] <PeperJohnny> PeperJohnny: no i didnt
[18:25] <winterelf> Darthfrog: ok, thanks :)
[18:25] <TheFuzzball> GRUB has scewed me over again :'(
[18:25] <joshual> PeperJohnny: does one need to install gnome libs when installing gnash?
[18:27] <PeperJohnny> joshual: no. if you install flashplugin-nonfree you just get the plugin no additional libs at least aptitude told me that no libs are neccessary
[18:27] <joshual> PeperJohnny:  what about with gnash?
[18:27] <PeperJohnny> joshual: gnash needs some libs
[18:28] <joshual> in that case i'll just install flashplugin-nonfree thx
[18:29] <PeperJohnny> youre welcome
[18:32] <joshual> PeperJohnny: since I'm installing flashplugin which requires ia32-libs, do I need to specify that any other package i install is 64bit, or is it still the first architecture selected when installing packages?
[18:32] <PeperJohnny> joshual: everything will be installed so that it should work
[18:34] <joshual> PeperJohnny: what I mean is, will future packages I install be 64bit if there is a 64bit package available, or will it install 32bit even though there is a 64bit available because i just installed 32bit libraries?
[18:34] <PeperJohnny> joshual: no if 64bit is avaible it will be installed
[18:35] <joshual> ah great thanks PeperJohnny, as you can tell i'm new to 64bit OS
[18:35] <winterelf> hi, need to know something... what's ipwraw ?
[18:35] <PeperJohnny> youre welcome
[18:38] <PeperJohnny> winterelf: afaik its a driver for wlan cards
[18:39] <winterelf> PeperJohnny: afaik? u mean ipwraw? why did u called it afaik?
[18:39] <PeperJohnny> winterelf: afaik= as far as i know =)
[18:39] <winterelf> :)
[18:42] <dany_21a_> does anyone use kubuntu 8.10 in a vmware?
[18:45] <faileas> has anyone run virtualbox in 8.10? is there a solution for the" Could not load the Host USB Proxy Service (VERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND). The service might be not installed on the host computer. " error?
[18:48] <Pici> fredde: virtualbox-ose does not have support for usb devices.
[18:48] <xevix> apachelogger, congrats on a great release =)
[18:48] <Pici> faileas: sorry see above ^
[18:49] <faileas> Pici: not using OSE. using the version off the virtualbox site
[18:49] <Pici> faileas: Then perhaps #vbox would be a better place to ask?
[18:50] <faileas> Pici: i'll ask there as well then.
[18:51] <cumulus007> hello, how do I get flash 10 working in Konqueror in KDE 4.1 x86 on Uubntu Intrepid?
[18:51] <fredde> hello. i have just installed kubuntu on my laptop. its the first time on a laptop. the computer is a acer aspire 5024. now i have the kubuntu cd in my drive. now i want to take out cd from my cdrom. but the buttom on the computer dooesnt work. someone understand my problem and can help me?
[18:52] <cumulus007> fredde: hi, which version of kubunt are you using?
[18:52] <cumulus007> you can open the recently mounted applet
[18:53] <cumulus007> en then click the unmount button next to tthe cd drive icon
[18:57] <fredde> cumulus007: im sorry. i didnt see this before. i cant even see the cdrom in dolphin.
[18:58] <cumulus007> fredde: in the system tray, you have to look for a computer icon
[18:58] <cumulus007> it's near the clock
[18:58] <cumulus007> click on it
[18:58] <cumulus007> do you see a list of mounted devices then?
[19:01] <manish> is it possible to group chat on KOPETE
[19:01] <fredde> cumulus007: could it be this: a icon next to my harddrive in "storage Media". Remote Share (unionfs)
[19:01] <PeperJohnny> manish: like everythin in one window with tabs?
[19:02] <eean> just upgraded to kubuntu 8.10. it shares a problem I had with 8.04: knetworkmanager doesn't start automatically
[19:03] <manish> no not with tabs but within a common window
[19:03] <manish> Peper Johnny: where 3 or more people   can discuss someting on a common platform
[19:03] <PeperJohnny> ah depends on the protocoll you are using
[19:03] <fredde> perheps its a comon problem with acer laptops. i will try to look for help on google. need to watch some hockey with the family now. bye and thanks
[19:04] <jussi01> !autostart | eean
[19:04] <eean> those are kde3 instructions
[19:05] <manish> Pepper Jhonny: so what protocol am i using right now how do i know that
[19:05] <jussi01> eean: the first one is the same in kde4
[19:05] <PeperJohnny> manish: are you chating via msn icq or whatsoever
[19:05] <jussi01> ie. you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[19:05] <eean> ok
[19:06] <eean> my .kde4 doesn't have an Autostart
[19:06] <manish> in kopete i have my gmail and yahoo messenger contacts
[19:06] <eean> I'll just create it and see if it works
[19:06] <PeperJohnny> manish: so in jabber you can open multi user chats..dunno how it works with yahoo
[19:06] <cumulus007> hmm
[19:06] <PeperJohnny> manish: gmail is using the jabber protocoll
[19:06] <manish> Pepper Jhonny: how do i do it in then
[19:07] <cumulus007> how to use gstreamer in amarok?
[19:07] <manish> in jabber
[19:07] <exobuzz> nice that the new kubuntu is out. shame it has some real nasty bugs. I would perhaps prefer to wait until some things are fixed
[19:08] <manish> Pepper Jhonny: so how do i do it
[19:08] <eean> exobuzz: whats wrong?
[19:08] <PeperJohnny> manish: nah sorry i forgot :<
[19:08] <manish> Pepper Jhonny: bcz i tried every possibel option therein the status bar but to no avail
[19:09] <exobuzz> eean: static ip configuration in knetworkmanager is broken (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/279409), dragging folder from quick access bar to desktop and choosing folder vew crashes plasma. and some others
[19:09] <jussi01> eean: did it work?
[19:09] <eean> jussi01: dunno, I'll see next time I restart :)
[19:10] <manish> Genii: Do you know how to group chat in Kopete
[19:10] <TimS> Ahh, 8.10 broke my ati drivers
[19:10] <PeperJohnny> manish: you could still ask in #kopete
[19:10] <jmichaelx> OK, i just experienced a major upgrade fail. i just finished upgrading to kubuntu intrepid, but after rebooting, it stalls and stops. grub still says ubuntu 8.04/linux 2.6.24. i can get to a terminal, but it will not let me use 'sudo'. any advice?
[19:10] <manish> thanks Pepper Jhonny
[19:14] <manish> ActionParsnip: do you know how i could group chat in kopete
[19:16] <manish> does any body know how to group chat in Kopete
[19:17] <manish> is any body home today...?
[19:20] <psyco> hey guys,
[19:20] <psyco> I want to reinstall kubuntu, but I have a bunch of torrents on azureus
[19:21] <psyco> how do I reinstall and not lose that list
[19:21] <psyco> (so, what files do I need to back up)
[19:21] <faileas> psyco: .torrents for those files + the data files
[19:22] <DarkSmoke> anyone tried intrepid yet? :P
[19:22] <Bonaldo2000> Hi, I burn the new kubuntu image (8.10) but when I try to install I get the error "Error reading boot cd"
[19:22] <DarkSmoke> Bonaldo2000:  try to burn at a lower speed
[19:22] <Bonaldo2000> I have tried burning at 8x (the lowest my burner can do)...
[19:22] <psyco> faileas: I know but I dont want to have to restart all those torrents because that would take a whole day,
[19:22] <DarkSmoke> it can do x2 and x4 :/
[19:22] <psyco> I want to back up the file that says what that list is to azureus
[19:22] <Bonaldo2000> I have never had problems before with burning an image
[19:23] <DarkSmoke> psyco:  you can open multeple .torrent files at once if im not wrong...
[19:23] <Bonaldo2000> well, maybe I should try in linux, maybe it can burn at lower speed....
[19:23] <Bonaldo2000> I'll be back! (probably)
[19:23] <psyco> Yeah but they are mostly music, and my music is in seperate folders so i'd have to open them sperately
[19:24] <TimS> Blasted Ubuntu update screwing with my X config! aticonfig is damn usefull :D
[19:24] <manish> any idea how to have group conversations on kopete
[19:24] <faileas> psyco: you would need to check the torrents and then carry on
[19:24] <faileas> psyco: i've even moved torrents from box to box that way
[19:25] <psyco> faileas: check the torrents and carry on?
[19:26] <psyco> WHat about the /home/.azureus/downloads.config   is that the file that I shoudl back up?
[19:26] <faileas> psyco: yeah. IIRC if you point a torrent at a folder with the files already in it it rechecks and carries on
[19:26] <faileas> psyco: no 1 priority should be torrents + data. anything else is secondary
[19:27] <Caarrie|mac> is there a solution for the error "not starting K display manager;it is not the default"
[19:27] <psyco> faileas: I've already backed up all my stuff, now is just making my life easier by moving one file instead of rechecking all the torrents
[19:27] <Caarrie|mac> ?
[19:27] <JenZ> hi all, just downloaded and installed the Alternate-version of Kubuntu (because in the desktop-cd my gfx-card was not recognized (ati radeon 9600 r300)
[19:27] <JenZ> but i still dont have a graphical interface
[19:27] <JenZ> i'm able to go to tty1 to 6
[19:27] <JenZ> so entering commands works
[19:27] <JenZ> how do i get xserver working?
[19:28] <ChrisMir> try X
[19:28] <JenZ> when i try to edit (nano) the /etc/X11/xorg.conf it's empty
[19:28] <ChrisMir> ai, that is no good
[19:28] <favro> startx
[19:28] <JenZ> when i enter X i get 'fatal server error: is allready running on display 0
[19:29] <JenZ> but when i revert i get video mode not supported?
[19:29] <Caarrie|mac> Fatal server error: no screens found
[19:29] <ChrisMir> look for an X instance with 'ps aux' and kill it, then try to start x again
[19:31] <JenZ> how do i kill it Chris?
[19:31] <ChrisMir> JenZ: Hmm, just saw you installed alternate version. I'm not sure if that one has X installed as default
[19:31] <Caarrie|mac> killall X ?
[19:31] <JenZ> sorry, pretty linux-noob
[19:32] <ChrisMir> np. killall X could work, else kill -s 9 xxxx where xxxx is the PID number of the process
[19:32] <NauarchLysander> I upgraded to 8.10 this afternoon, but now KDE is VERY slow. Especially the Desktop plasmoid. When I move my mouse over it, the desktop freezes for about five seconds. I can't work like that. Is there a way out of that?
[19:32] <Nece228> do you know what most important words about ubuntu
[19:32] <jmichaelx> OK, i just experienced a major upgrade fail. i just finished upgrading to kubuntu intrepid, but after rebooting, it stalls and stops. grub still says ubuntu 8.04/linux 2.6.24. i can get to a terminal, but it will not let me use 'sudo'. any advice?
[19:32] <Nece228> "and remember, the dog is everythink"
[19:32] <JenZ> i'm not allowed to kill the process
[19:32] <JenZ> i'll try sudo
[19:33] <ChrisMir> exactly :)
[19:33] <JenZ> ouch
[19:33] <JenZ> i did that
[19:33] <JenZ> screen went down
[19:33] <JenZ> video not supported
[19:33] <JenZ> grrrrr
[19:33] <psyco> anyone else know? What do I need to backup inorder to have azureus running exactly the same on my new install. I've already backed up .torrents and data. WHat is the file that tells azureus the list of downloads/uploads I have?
[19:33] <ChrisMir> hmm :(
[19:33] <TimS> How do I open a root terminal?
[19:34] <JenZ> i definetly want xUbuntu (i installed it over Windows Home Server
[19:34] <JenZ> :)
[19:34] <ChrisMir> what is the login manager in Xubuntu?
[19:34] <favro> gdm
[19:34] <JenZ> i meant x as in (any) ubuntu-flavor
[19:34] <ChrisMir> JenZ: Perhaps you could try sudo /etc/init.d/dgm restart
[19:35] <ChrisMir> gdm*
[19:35] <ChrisMir> or sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart if you have kde installed
[19:35] <gustavo_> Why Kontact crashes when it's opened?
[19:36] <JenZ> it all does something but .... my monitor says video mode not supported
[19:36] <JenZ> tried another monitor btw
[19:36] <JenZ> same effect
[19:36] <JenZ> too bad i can't edit xorg.conf :(:(:(
[19:36] <NauarchLysander> I upgraded to 8.10 this afternoon, but now KDE is VERY slow. Especially the Desktop plasmoid. When I move my mouse over it, the desktop freezes for about five seconds. I can't work like that. Is there a way out of that?
[19:36] <psyco> Guys, Anyone using KDE4, are desktop effects decent or is compiz still WAY WAY better
[19:37] <gustavo_> This is the traceback when it crashes: http://pastebin.com/d7189c0e7
[19:37] <ChrisMir> JenZ: But the best thing you can do to analyze xserver failure is to simply try to start X from tty1 and when it failes read file /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:37] <O-Range> hi
[19:37] <manish> psyco: i thnk compiz is any time better
[19:38] <O-Range> can someone help me?
[19:38] <psyco> I know its better but I want to know how much,
[19:38] <ChrisMir> O-Range: Just put down your question, someone might pick it up :)
[19:38] <psyco> like any major flaws in kde4 effects?
[19:38] <psyco> or anything uber good in compiz (other than cube)
[19:38] <manish> how do you quantiz it???
[19:39] <O-Range> im installed ubuntu 8.10 and when i logged in wih my un and pw i get a dark screen with some shadows and no more
[19:39] <Caarrie|mac> any advice on getting kdm to start?
[19:39] <JenZ> i'm trying to start it Chris, but it says 'fatal error ... allready running on display 0 then it says invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keygiving up
[19:39] <manish> ya the smootheness of the system as a whole and the compatibility for various things
[19:39] <manish> have to checked the working of power manager in K4
[19:40] <manish> mine was a gr8 headache
[19:40] <Under_Wraps> Can somebody update the Kubuntu forums - www.kubuntuforums.net
[19:40] <Under_Wraps> "Kubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex (under development)"
[19:41] <manish> Under Wraps: it is developed since 1 hr 11 mins now
[19:41] <ChrisMir> JenZ: there realy shouldn't be an X instance running before you continue testing, I think
[19:41] <manish> (Just kidding)
[19:42] <jmichaelx> :-(
[19:42] <NauarchLysander> I upgraded to 8.10 this afternoon, but now KDE is VERY slow. Especially the Desktop plasmoid. When I move my mouse over it, the desktop freezes for about five seconds. I can't work like that. Is there a way out of that?
[19:42] <JenZ> i understand chris, but everytime i kill  the process it restarts itself
[19:42] <JenZ> with another pid
[19:42] <ChrisMir> JenZ: ok
[19:42] <JenZ> and sends me back to the 'video not supported' tty
[19:43] <JenZ> and i can only go back to tty1
[19:43] <JenZ> viewing that Xorg.0.log you told me
[19:43] <ChrisMir> JenZ: in tty1 do /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[19:44] <ChrisMir> prepend with sudo off course :)
[19:44] <O-Range> nobody get the problem like me?
[19:44] <JenZ> stopping KDM: kdm not runningkill: 187: operation not permitted
[19:44] <JenZ> oops :p
[19:44] <JenZ> sudo again
[19:44] <JenZ> ok, stopped
[19:45] <JenZ> now?
[19:45] <ChrisMir> JenZ: Look if any X instance is still running
[19:45] <JenZ> btw: tnx chris for helping me out
[19:45] <JenZ> i DONT want to go back to WHS (spend 1 hour there :-)
[19:45] <ChrisMir> JenZ: Well, I'm trying :)
[19:45] <JenZ> i wanna make a good Nas-sollution at home
[19:46] <ChrisMir> JenZ: I understand, that is what I have as well. with my ps3 in the living room as host
[19:46] <ChrisMir> err... clietn
[19:46] <ChrisMir> client*
[19:46] <ChrisMir> doh
[19:46] <JenZ> i have xbmc but we want the same :)
[19:47] <JenZ> but i remeber something
[19:47] <NauarchLysander> I upgraded to 8.10 this afternoon, but now KDE is VERY slow. Especially the Desktop plasmoid. When I move my mouse over it, the desktop freezes for about five seconds. I can't work like that. Is there a way out of that?
[19:47] <JenZ> oh no, i thought i installed 8.04 over here
[19:47] <JenZ> but that was on my other system
[19:48] <ChrisMir> JenZ: Did you check already if X is still running (ps aux)
[19:48] <JenZ> not running
[19:49] <JenZ> would xubuntu be a sollution? or does it use the same ubuntu-base which will give me troubles too?
[19:49] <JenZ> stupid gfx-card :-( (radeon 9600tx)
[19:51] <ChrisMir> JenZ: Now X is not running anymore (because of kdt stop), you could try running X from the commandline and it will give feedback if it fails
[19:51] <psyco> NauarchLysander: WHat is your vid card
[19:51] <joshual> anyone know how to open a .sqlite file?
[19:51] <psyco> NauarchLysander: Ususally, a OS is never that slow because of specs. Try fooling around with drivers if you have nothing to lose.
[19:53] <NauarchLysander> psyco: Nvidia GeForce 8600M. I installed the newest restricted driver.
[19:53] <rickest> joshual: sqlite3
[19:53] <psyco> NauarchLysander: Hmm then I dotn knwo.
[19:54] <NauarchLysander> psyco: Ok, still, thanks.
[19:56] <sfears> snowmoon-work: install sysv-rc-conf & make sure your bluetooth services are enabled?
[19:56] <sfears> woops
[19:56] <JenZ> Chris, i'm not asleep but just trying another gfx-card
[19:56] <sfears> if i remove the NetworkManager.conf & knetworkmanager.conf files from /etc/dbus-1/system.d my issue goes away but then knetworkmanager doesn't start on boot up and i can't connect to any wireless networks!
[19:57] <joshual> anyone tried the qt-firefox?
[19:57] <enzo> hi
[19:57] <JenZ> hmmm, chris, do i need to do anything special?
[19:58] <JenZ> after i get 'starting up' cursor keeps blinking but ... no boot
[19:58] <JenZ> do i need to start it in safe mode? :)
[19:59] <enzo> i've installed intrepid, all is ok except nvidia driver, what is the prog to launch to install driver ? the popup has appeared but it has locked
[20:00] <rgreening> Is there a way to make Konqueror properly view svg files? Like in the adobe svg viewer plugin?
[20:00] <cyryl> кто знает русский
[20:00] <ardchoille> !ru
[20:00] <joshual> is there anyway to add a repo but only for a particular package? for example I want to use: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ repo but only for the firefox-qt package...
[20:01] <ardchoille> there's a qt version of firefox?
[20:01] <joshual> ardchoille: yeah its very much in development stage though
[20:01] <rgreening> alpha/beta only
[20:01] <rgreening> yeah
[20:01] <ardchoille> Well, it's nice that someone is working on it
[20:01] <joshual> yeah
[20:02] <ardchoille> Good to hear
[20:02] <joshual> so is there any way to specify a package when entering a repository ?
[20:04] <ardchoille> joshual: you can always enable that one repo, install what you want, then disable it again.. or disable it when you do updates
[20:04] <joshual> ardchoille: ok, thats what I was thinking too.
[20:04] <sba61> joshual: something like described here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#With%20individual%20packages
[20:04] <sba61> maybe?
[20:05] <sba61> doesn't solve dependencies though
[20:05] <ardchoille> sba61: He'd run into deps issues that way I would think
[20:05] <ardchoille> yeah
[20:05] <ChrisMir> JenZ: Heh, seems your system is pretty borked, which seems strange so soon after an install. Did you do check the md5sum of the install cd?
[20:06] <JenZ> if i dont have a keyboard, how do ik access the start-menu?
[20:06] <sba61> I still didn't figure out how to search for packages with the new adept... is there a way to do it?
[20:06] <JenZ> sorry chris, i was pm'ing you :)
[20:06] <JenZ> i installed an old geforce
[20:06] <JenZ> and it works
[20:06] <sba61> I only get the packages that programs in the list
[20:06] <ChrisMir> Cool!
[20:06] <JenZ> but, the mouse isn't responding
[20:07] <JenZ> how do i access the start menu?
[20:07] <ChrisMir> Not so cool! :(
[20:07] <JenZ> so i can close it down and eat my french fries with the angry misses :p
[20:07] <JenZ> you were way cool for helping me out
[20:07] <ChrisMir> No problem ;-)
[20:08] <ChrisMir> But let me think. I know there's a shortcut for the start button
[20:09] <anoneemouse> hello, does someone here know how to configure multiple monitors on kde4?
[20:09] <JenZ> no worries, hard shut down then
[20:10] <JenZ> thank you a lot
[20:10] <JenZ> ttyl i hope
[20:10] <anoneemouse> when i maximise windows they fill both screens
[20:10] <xevix> after plasma crash i lost panel, i remove plasmarc stuff, restarted plasma, and panel is back, but now 3 apps (knetworkmanager, skim, and kpowersave) open up as floating tray icons, and don't sit in the tray like they used to.  how do i get them back in the tray?
[20:10] <smarty> hi, how can i delete a directory
[20:10] <Caarrie|mac> xevix: reboot a few times or restart x and they will go back
[20:11] <smarty> when i try it says access denied or omsethin
[20:11] <anoneemouse> where are the files located smarty?
[20:11] <MrBallZ> are servers being raped atm ?? ... thinking of waiting until sunday to do dist-upgrade ...
[20:11] <smarty> anoneemouse : Documents
[20:11] <smarty> lol
[20:12] <anoneemouse> did you right click and check the permissions?
[20:12] <smarty> yea
[20:12] <smarty> still no luck
[20:12] <anoneemouse> read only is set?
[20:12] <smarty> nope
[20:12] <anoneemouse> have you tried deleting them from command line?
[20:12] <smarty> yep
[20:13] <smarty> dir is not empty..
[20:13] <smarty> wont delete
[20:13] <smarty> tried indiv. deleting also
[20:13] <smarty> when inside the folder, it doesnt give the option for moving to trash
[20:14] <favro> smarty: to remove a dir on the command line is   rm -r /path
[20:14] <ChrisMir> JenZ: yeh, see you later maybe. Good luck with setting up your nas :)
[20:17] <smarty> ok favro, i'll try that ... sec
[20:18] <MrBallZ> how many MB's is the dist-upgrade ?
[20:18] <smarty> favro: "rm: cannot remove '<filename>'
[20:18] <favro> smarty: thought you were removing a dir?
[20:19] <smarty> i am
[20:19] <favro> try sudo rm
[20:19] <smarty> im already in root
[20:19] <favro> try sudo rm -r
[20:19] <ardchoille> smarty: looks like you might need sudo but be very careful with it
[20:19] <ardchoille> oh
[20:19] <smarty> generaly, it'll say perm. denied no? (if i wasnt root)
[20:19] <favro> smarty: what does ls -l return for the dir?
[20:20] <smarty> ah okay i got it now
[20:20] <smarty> THANKS guys
[20:20] <favro> what was the issue?
[20:20] <smarty> i actually just rebooted the X server,
[20:20] <smarty> odd but yea
[20:20] <favro> k
[20:20] <ChrisMir> smarty: Perhaps some process has an open file in that directory. lsof | grep Documents could show you what process
[20:20] <smarty> thanks though
[20:21] <ChrisMir> ah wait. Killing X probably killed that process :p
[20:21] <smarty> :)
[20:22] <smarty> thanks very much though. :D
[20:23] <dontlookatmynick> what?
[20:25] <sYskk> how is it easy to pass from ubuntu to kubuntu ? Is it a completely different OS and you need to format and install the OS ?
[20:25] <Tm_T> sYskk: it's same
[20:25] <ChrisMir> sudo apt-get install kde-desktop
[20:25] <Tm_T> Kubuntu is Ubuntu
[20:25] <Tm_T> kubuntu-desktop
[20:26] <ChrisMir> ah yeas, soz
[20:26] <sYskk> oh ok... so kubuntu is ubuntu + kde ?
[20:26] <riso> sYskk: yes
[20:26] <riso> yuriy: but without gnome
[20:26] <ChrisMir> yes, and with a fresh kubuntu install its without gnome
[20:27] <ChrisMir> installing kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu does not uninstall gnome, right?
[20:28] <BleSS> how to grow up a partition? only *temporary*
[20:28] <riso> ChrisMir: if you do not uninstall it manually...
[20:28] <ardchoille> ChrisMir: no
[20:29] <noaXess> are the archive.ubuntu.com servs down for maintenance?
[20:29] <ardchoille> noaXess: they're slow due to release day
[20:29] <noaXess> okay..
[20:29] <sYskk> are GUI applications in ubuntu specifically written for kde or gnome or is it pretty much portable ?
[20:30] <ardchoille> sYskk: they're pretty much portable
[20:30] <riso> noaXess: 8.10 is out. everybody is downloading
[20:30] <ardchoille> kde apps run nicely in gnome and vice-versa
[20:30] <Tm_T> riso: I'm not
[20:30] <sYskk> ok thx :)
[20:30] <noaXess> riso: me too.. just wait for kde 4.2 in january.. it will be more stable, mor functionaly and more usfull.. like kde3.5
[20:31] <riso> noaXess: kde 4.0 is pretty unstable now :)
[20:31] <ardchoille> riso: interpid doesn't have kde 4.0
[20:31] <Tm_T> KDE is just fine for some people
[20:32] <rgreening> Kubuntu has 4.1.2 (soon 4.1.3) not 4.0
[20:32] <noaXess> interpid has 4.1
[20:32] <turtlak69> Tm_T: too buggy (but I am using it)
[20:32] <Tm_T> turtlak69: not here
[20:33] <jmichaelx> well, i trashed my kubuntu install somehow in the upgrade process. i am now doing a fresh install of intrepid, but it is hanging at %82 'scanning mirrors'. does this just have to do with busy servers?
[20:33] <turtlak69> Tm_T: I will see after next upgrade :)
[20:33] <ardchoille> jmichaelx: likely
[20:33] <rgreening> 4.1.2 is rock solid here for me, and what missing bits there are are available via kde 3.5.10 for intrepid (like konversation, k3b, etc)
[20:33] <Tm_T> turtlak69: though I have KDE 4.1.71 (KDE 4.2 >= 20081023)
[20:33] <jmichaelx> ok, makes me feel better. i have NEVER had these kinds of issues upgrading before.
[20:34] <noaXess> rgreening: the prob is some system settings, like key bindings, shortcuts and so on..
[20:34] <turtlak69> Tm_T: I am going to try something new but there is no time for that...
[20:34] <ardchoille> jmichaelx: release day is huge and you can expect things to be slow
[20:34] <ardchoille> jmichaelx: I just downloaded a 10 mb icon theme and it took almost 20 minutes
[20:34] <Tm_T> turtlak69: I don't have time other than this but... meh
[20:34] <rgreening> noaXess: open bug reports for the missing bits, I'm sure someone will help write them in (like me)
[20:34] <jmichaelx> ardchoille: no, the issues i am referring to have to do with how wrong things went when i tried to upgrade... i don't really care about busy serves
[20:35] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[20:35] <turtlak69> Tm_T: if zou have to, just do it :D or something like that. I do not know how to say it english :D
[20:35] <alfiu> salve
[20:35] <jmichaelx> ardchoille: my system was completely unsalvageable after the upgrade.
[20:35] <ChrisMir> Thats why I installed the rc release last week. hardly any difference and brought on par with updates
[20:35] <jmichaelx> (at least for me)
[20:36] <ardchoille> jmichaelx: I've never been able to do an upgrade successfully
[20:36] <ardchoille> But, then again, a fresh install cleans things out anyway
[20:37] <jmichaelx> ardchoille: yeah, i guess i is no big tragedy. i had /home on its own partition.
[20:37] <ardchoille> jmichaelx: that saved you some headaches I bet
[20:37] <turtlak69> ardchoille: it is time to change it :)
[20:37] <jameswf> so 8.10 has been out half a day nothing blew up....
[20:38] <ardchoille> I think I'm going to stick with Hardy until January, Hardy has treated me well, the devs did an excellent job there
[20:38] <ChrisMir> While I have a partition for all user data, I have two partitions for the OS. With every update I use the other partition for a fresh install. I have had bad experience with updates too :)
[20:38] <jmichaelx> ard
[20:39] <jmichaelx> oops
[20:39] <ardchoille> ChrisMir: Nice way to do installs :)
[20:39] <jmichaelx> ardchoille: hardy was the best linu distro for me in a long time
[20:39] <dan_> I have installed 8.10 kubuntu, when logging in for the first time, I get the KDE splash screen, an image of a hard drive becomes clear then at this point it freezes. It is immediatley after clicking enter on my password, any suggestions?
[20:39] <ardchoille> For me, before Hardy, it was Dapper that was the best
[20:40] <dan_> I cannot logon at least in gui mode, I can get to console
[20:40] <jmichaelx> but, i have intrepid on this laptop.... and even though i really resented having to switch to KDE4, i am really liking it
[20:40] <ardchoille> dan_: you might try "startx" in console to see if there is any useable error output
[20:40] <dan_> ok, ill try that now
[20:41] <jmichaelx> kde4 in intrepid is MUCH better than it was in hardy
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> ^That was the point '-)
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> *;-)
[20:41] <vorian> yay
[20:41] <ChrisMir> jmichaelx: yep. This is the first release I'm giving a serious shot. Previously I fell back to 3.5
[20:42] <vorian> JontheEchidna: nice work :P
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> vorian: you too :P
[20:43] <dan_> ardchoille: I did the startx and it fired up the login screen with the freeze after the image of the hdd
[20:43] <ardchoille> dan_: ok, is there any usable info in the console?
[20:44] <dan_> no just the frozen screen
[20:44] <dan_> kde 4.1 and the splash screen
[20:44] <ardchoille> no, in the console where you typed "startx"
[20:44] <ardchoille> ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[20:44] <dan_> it displayed some text but was too quick
[20:44] <ardchoille> ok, it was a shot
[20:45] <ChrisMir> when you get back to the console try: cat .xsession-errors
[20:45] <dan_> no reply from ctrl alt f1 but the mouse cursor still moves
[20:45] <ChrisMir> perhaps there is some info
[20:45] <ardchoille> not sure about how to help. there are days I use tty1 with screen and other apps and don't even use x
[20:46] <dan_> ChrisMir: i'll try that now
[20:46] <jpedroza> Has anyone been able to get desktop effects to work with the non-FOSS nvidia driver?
[20:46] <ardchoille> less .xsession-errors
[20:47] <ardchoille> might be ore usefull
[20:48] <stabbe> Hi, i just installed 8.10. In my system tray there is a black square behind all of the icons exept the ones that was there from the start. Any advice what to do to get rid of it? Or is it a known bug?
[20:49] <dan_> ok, lots of output, .ooo-template.desktop is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semi colan
[20:49] <dan_> lots of the not compliant
[20:49] <dan_> comms problem with kded it probably crashed
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> stabbe: yes, will be resolved in KDE 4.2
[20:50] <Nikke> what is the meta package for ubuntu if i want to remove whole ubuntu, i did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[20:50] <stabbe> JontheEchidna: Okey thanx for the quick answer :)
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> Nikke: removing ubuntu-desktop then apt-get autoremove should do it
[20:50] <roberto_> hi evrybody!
[20:51] <Nikke> JontheEchidna: it only removed libscollkeeper0
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[20:52] <dan_> when i try and login failsafe, i get "Xsession: unable to launch failsafe X session --x terminal-emulator not found
[20:54] <Nikke> JontheEchidna: hmm :P
[20:54] <perfect> Oops
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I don't know how much you can do besides removing it manually
[20:54] <Nikke> !purekde
[20:54] <dan_> I have done a reinstall and same problem occurs
[20:55] <dan_> live seesion runs fine and I had 8.04 on this PC before
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> dan_: can you log in normally?
[20:56] <dan_> no
[20:56] <dan_> just console
[20:56] <Dashkal> hrm, gnome and kde aren't playing nice anymore.  They seem to both be trying to run.  gnome's desktop appears when I log out and gnome's network manager starts on login.  Running the kde session and kdm
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> dan_: try this: update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /usr/bin/startkde
[20:57] <Dashkal> Running 8.10.  System was installed as 8.04 ubuntu which I then converted to kubuntu by installing the kde desktop package.  I then upgraded to kde 4.1 by way of the ppa (since removed from my package sources)
[20:57] <dan_> done, what now a startx ?
[20:57] <marcreichelt> hi there!
[20:58] <marcreichelt> does anybody know why "webdavs://mediacenter.gmx.net/" does not work in Konqueror?
[20:58] <marcreichelt> I'm using Kubuntu 8.04 (latest updates)
[20:58] <dan_> JontheEchidna: startkde do I type nopw?
[20:58] <dan_> now
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> dan_: I think you should be able to log in from the login screen now
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> or at least, I hope you can
[21:00] <dan_> JontheEchidna: what is the key sequence to get back to gui, ctrl alt ?
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> crtl alt f7
[21:00] <Nikke> is it just me or are the panel threat tray icons very bad? it looks like shit to me with different background and such
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> you might want to restart X with alt-e after you get back to the login screen
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> By the way, the Xubuntu digg story has 6 more diggs than the Kubuntu story, so digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Kubuntu_8_10_Released_refreshes_the_desktop
[21:01] <Dashkal> Nikke: nvidia?  I'm having that same issue
[21:01] <Nikke> Dashkal: yepps
[21:01] <Nikke> Dashkal: what card do you have?
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> ^it's not nvidia related, btw
[21:01] <Dashkal> 6200 LE
[21:01] <Nikke> JontheEchidna: whats the problem then?
[21:01] <Dashkal> JontheEchidna: Is there a fix?
[21:01] <Rob71> hi there
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> it will be fixed in KDE 4.2
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> the problem is sorta complicated
[21:02] <Dashkal> drat.  ok then.  Any idea why gnome's network manager is determined to start?
[21:02] <Nikke> JontheEchidna: okey, nice to hear.. do you happend to know when 4.2 is going to be released?
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> january 27th I think
[21:02] <Nikke> ouuuh
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> bug 247393
[21:02] <Nikke> okey
[21:02] <Nikke> thanks for the info
[21:02]  * JontheEchidna slaps ubottu
[21:03] <Nikke> :)
[21:03] <Dashkal> meh, a pain waiting but since I lack the expertise to help with it I get to wait
[21:03] <Nikke> be right back
[21:03] <dan_> JontheEchidna: ctrl alt f7 gave me nothing, I have done a reboot and tryed to log back in. It starts to log me in then I get the kde splash screen again and it still freezes after the image of the hdd becomes clear
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> interesting
[21:04] <jpedroza> When trying to enable Desktop Effects I have the error: "Required X Extensions (XComposite and XDamage) are not available." This is with the new non-FOSS driver from nvidia. I added a line to xorg.conf for the card -- Option "RenderAccel" "True" but to no avail. Has anyone gotten this working?
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> Nikke, Dashkal: if you're interested here's the whole story: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158094
[21:04] <Dashkal> I am, thank you
[21:04] <dan_> shall I try a different graphics crad
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> dan_: make sure the session is set to "KDE"
[21:05] <dan_> yes I did
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> hmm, then I'm all out of ideas
[21:06] <dan_> ok, thanks for trying, I'll try a different graphics card, get back to you
[21:06] <blendtux> is it allso possible to put the new kubuntu on a pendrive
[21:06] <Dashkal> Is there some sort of utility I can run that will tell me the process under the mouse cursor?
[21:07] <martien> hi
[21:07] <JamesSVK> hi all
[21:08] <Rob71> hi all
[21:08] <Rob71> ciao
[21:08] <turtlak69> hi all a ahoj james :)
[21:08] <marcreichelt> does anybody have a solution for my problem with webdavs?
[21:09] <Rob71> is it kubuntu intrepid ibex already ready for download?
[21:09] <martien> did any one try'd to install kubuntu 8.10 from cd .  i burnd two cd's and thay both have errors
[21:09] <marcreichelt> Rob71: sure
[21:09] <donavan> martien: works for me
[21:09] <martien> ok
[21:09] <martien> now i am burning one at a lower speed
[21:09] <PeperJohnny> martien: i386 worked w/o probs but havent tested amd64 yet
[21:10] <martien> i have a intel  p 4
[21:12] <Bsims> Sigh I'd upgrade but I don't like kde 4 dont trust it yet
[21:12] <donavan> I've installed both ubuntu (dual head works with the gnome config tool) and kubuntu, however, I can't even get close to getting dual head to not be mirrored, much less dealing with left of right of and different resolutions.  Anyone with suggestions?
[21:13] <donavan> KDE kind of offered to install flgrx (or what ever it is), but I don't think it worked.
[21:14] <ubuntu> How shall I bind my habu mouse button to get to previous page in konquer?
[21:14] <ubuntu> It works in gnome.
[21:17] <cyryl> русские
[21:17] <ubuntu> This channel is kinda dead. :I
[21:18] <Under_Wraps> is not
[21:18] <inaety> hello i am trying to update to the new kubuntu, but my installer has froze at 97
[21:19] <martien> damm the third cd i have burnd contains also 3 errors with the cd intigrety test
[21:19] <olskolirc> hey folks can that kde4 gui be customized to another color?
[21:19] <Dashkal> JontheEchidna: Just read the bugzilla re systray corruption.  Thank you.  Sounds like a nasty problem to resolve
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I can't imagine
[21:21] <Dashkal> Now that I understand it, I'm just glad it's getting patched in 4.2, even if the real fix is all the way upstream to the spec
[21:21]  * archyslave is downloading 8.10 now.
[21:24] <inaety> hello, my installer is at 97% "Searching for obsolete software" but seems to have frozen.  I am trying to update to 8.10.  what should i do?
[21:25] <tarek_on_the_fly> can get some help please?
[21:25] <tarek_on_the_fly> i
[21:25] <jussi01> tarek_on_the_fly: please ask your question...
[21:25] <olskolirc> i just tried to get an update and it didn't do it for me.  this means i have to download the iso or are they going to give us an auto udate later
[21:25] <ardchoille> martien: how are you downloading these cd's?
[21:25] <LinuxApe> Just upgraded over the internet to 8.10 from 8.04, and the xserver won't start!! No screen found.  Any ideas?
[21:25] <jussi01> inaety: how long has it been like that?
[21:25] <inaety> about twenty minutes
[21:26] <tarek_on_the_fly> how do i change my networking from "managed" to "monitor" ?
[21:26] <jussi01> olskolirc: the update willbe there later also - its kind of busy now
[21:26] <inaety> the version upgrade was really weird, it only had liek three packages to upgrade?
[21:26] <olskolirc> ok thanks jussi01 ill wait
[21:26] <martien> from the kubuntu.org site
[21:26] <ardchoille> martien: downloading with a web browser?
[21:26] <martien> jep
[21:26] <jussi01> LinuxApe: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:26] <olskolirc> can kde4 be customezed to another color other than black?
[21:27] <martien> two times
[21:27] <ardchoille> martien: Try downloading with wget i a terminal; wget -c url-here
[21:27] <LinuxApe> jussi01:  I will try.
[21:27] <jussi01> olskolirc: the panel?
[21:27] <martien> a ok  thanks
[21:27] <olskolirc> yes all of the black jussi01 especially the panel
[21:27] <ardchoille> martien: web browsers aren't very good downloaders and can currupt files
[21:27] <tarek_on_the_fly> im triyin to change my wireless networking mode from "manage" to "monitor"......anyone to help please?
[21:27] <martien> a i see nice to now
[21:27] <inaety> jussi01: ^ forgot your name
[21:27] <jussi01> olskolirc: yes it can, just right click the desktop, - desktopsettings - desktop theme
[21:28] <olskolirc> i have kubuntu on hardy heron - how do i get kde4?
[21:29] <jussi01> olskolirc: you can upgrade...
[21:29] <tarek_on_the_fly> well....no one?
[21:29] <dan_> ardchoille: JontheEchidna regarding my login issue, even running live I get the same error and now there is talk of cd errors I think I mya have the same as I download via http IE broswer while at work
[21:29] <olskolirc> how jussi01 ?
[21:30] <ardchoille> dan_: possibly, web browsers aren't good for long downloads, I recommend trying again with wget
[21:31] <martien> the download servers are prity fast  i download at  1,41M/s
[21:31] <fabrizio> join #kde-imaging
[21:31] <dan_> yes, I'll download again tomorrow, I have no media here to burn to. I'll report back either way, thanks for the help
[21:32] <sourcemaker> !nvidia
[21:33] <LinuxApe> jussi01:  reconfigure of xserver did not work.  Xserver core dumps after that.
[21:37] <ardchoille> I'm wondering if a lot of these xserver problems are due to corrupt downloads
[21:39] <Zerothis> can a dd made image be used, somehow, in virtualbox?
[21:41] <nirnroot> hi
[21:42] <nirnroot> wanna install kubuntu latest but I have no cd burner but I have download the iso
[21:42] <nirnroot> any way to isntall it?
[21:43] <victorjdh> do you have a friend that have it?
[21:43] <victorjdh> a cd burner?
[21:44] <aanderse> nirn
[21:44] <nirnroot> hi
[21:44] <aanderse> * nirnroot there are tutorials on how to do this if you already have grub installed
[21:44] <nirnroot> yes I have
[21:44] <ChrisMir> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[21:45] <nirnroot> I don't have usb stick
[21:45] <victorjdh> then burn the cd in his pc
[21:46] <nirnroot> i have no burner
[21:46] <ChrisMir> or use https://shipit.kubuntu.org/ and patiently wait :)
[21:46] <kvark> Hey
[21:47] <kvark> Got bit of a problem here
[21:47] <victorjdh> i know
[21:47] <victorjdh> burn the cd in your friend pc
[21:47] <kvark> quite new to kubuntu, was going to install vlc and i accidentaly edited some code
[21:48] <kvark> now adept manager won't work as it is supposed to :p
[21:48] <ardchoille> kvark: what did you edit?
[21:48] <kvark> /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:48] <ardchoille> ah
[21:48] <kvark> added a line
[21:49] <Exilant> my ibex konqueror is painfully slow, must have happened in the last month or so, is that a common problem?
[21:49] <Caarrie> has anyone been able to disable the box switch with alt-tab?
[21:49] <Arby> Exilant: what do you mean by slow?
[21:50] <ardchoille> kvark: what was the line you added?
[21:50] <Exilant> needs like 50 seconds to load launchpad
[21:51] <Arby> Exilant: that could just be launchpad, it is release day. does it happen on other sites?
[21:51] <enjo13> so I've updated to Ibex... everything works much better than the 4.1 packages I installed before. That's awesome:)
[21:51] <kvark> ardchoille: % sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-artsapt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-arts
[21:51] <Arby> Caarrie: System settings > Desktop > desktop effects > all effects > window management
[21:52] <enjo13> I have an ATI 1600, tho, and the compiz effects are disabled. Is there a way to fix that?
[21:52] <ardchoille> kvark: ok, there are errors with that comand so it isn't going to work
[21:52] <Caarrie> Arby: i have it _not_ checked yet i still have it
[21:52] <ardchoille> kvark: I was trying to help you get your sources fixed, you said you added a line
[21:53] <Arby> Caarrie: that's a bit odd
[21:53] <Exilant> arby: yes, took just 23 seconds to load kernel.org
[21:53] <Caarrie> that is why i came here for help
[21:53] <kvark> Just need it to be as it was :P
[21:53] <ardchoille> kvark: then you need to remove the line you added :)(
[21:54] <kvark> It won't let me
[21:54] <kvark> then how?
[21:54] <ardchoille> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:54] <ardchoille> kvark: But be careful as editing it like that is with rot privs
[21:54] <ardchoille> *root
[21:55] <kvark> Thanks!
[21:55] <ardchoille> yw :)
[21:56] <ardchoille> I still think that all new releases should backup critical files during the inital install. Things like sources.list, menu.lst, sudoers, etc
[21:56] <Arby> Caarrie: if you disable all the alt-tab effects does it go back to the old kde3 style alt-tab display?
[21:57] <Caarrie> i tried that already :(
[21:57] <Caarrie> and i know it worked before as i had kde4 installed
[21:57] <ardchoille> Arby: I woldn't think so as there is no kde3 to fall back on
[21:57] <Caarrie> i had no kde3 before installed and it worked as before
[21:58] <Arby> ardchoille: I just meant it _looks like_ kde3
[21:58] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[21:58] <Arby> Caarrie: was this a clean install or an upgrade?
[21:58] <Caarrie> i had a clean install of the kde4 remix before with the "normal" alt-tab
[21:58] <Caarrie> upgrade
[21:58] <Caarrie> from kde4
[21:58] <enjo13> anyone have any clue on how to get compositing working with a ATI x1600?
[21:59] <ardchoille> !ati | enjo13
[22:02] <enjo13> I have the FGLRX driver (the binary one referred to in that article)... but the settings manager is quite convinced that my system can't support compositing
[22:02] <enjo13> the card, as far as I can tell, SHOULD work
[22:03] <ardchoille> enjo13: which card?
[22:03] <ubuntu-dron> um...
[22:04] <enjo13> at x1600 mobility
[22:04] <enjo13> ati
[22:04] <ubuntu-dron> am I the only one having problems with Jockey while trying to install nvidia drivers?
[22:04] <jb_> good evening
[22:05] <Dashkal> ok, that wasn't quite right.  I just had to ln -s libnss3.so.1d libnss3.so to get flash working again...
[22:05] <jb_> can kubuntu 8.10 read a windows partition on an usb hdd?
[22:05] <legodude> how do I get changelogs for each package?
[22:06] <Wicked> im running the new kubuntu in virtualbox and its soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo slow...it takes roughly 10 seconds for each screen refresh. anything i can do?
[22:06] <ubuntu-dron> Is there a way to install Nvidia Display Driver of kubuntu repo on 8.10, omitting the Jockey?
[22:06] <Wicked> doesnt it use 3d effects be default? if so how can i disable them?
[22:06] <Dashkal> Wicked: system settings, desktop.  You can turn off 3d effects there
[22:07] <Wicked> thanks Dashkal! =)
[22:07] <enjo13> lol... I'll trade you problems Wicked:)
[22:07] <Wicked> lol whats yours?
[22:07] <Wicked> maby we can haggle ;-)
[22:07] <Githzerai> ubuntu-dron: Which nvidia ?
[22:07] <enjo13> the exact opposite, I can't get the cool effects to work
[22:07] <ubuntu-dron>  <Githzerai> 7600M
[22:08] <Wicked> :-o
[22:08] <ardchoille> you two need to switch boxes :P
 I bet its a problem of Jockey, but not hardware...
[22:08] <Wicked> hmm turns out my effects are off....
[22:08] <Wicked> so i wonder what is causing this issue then
[22:08] <Githzerai> ubuntu-dron: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-177
 thanx a lot
[22:11] <Githzerai> ubuntu-dron: np, however thanks to new xorg u must carefuly read the install output.  ;)
 what's so peculiar about that?
[22:12] <enjo13> is there at least a way to determine why I get the "compositing is not supported" message in settings->desktop->Desktop Effects?
[22:13] <Freddy2> hi
[22:13] <KDesk> enjo13: maybe you have not DRI enabled or a wrong driver..
[22:13] <KDesk> Is it possible (like in Hardy I think) to auto erase the history of Speedcrunch automatically every time it starts? Or that it doesn't save the history?
[22:13] <Freddy2> how can i generate a xorg config file with an intel 945 video card?
[22:14] <yao_ziyuan> can anyone point me to a url of kubuntu 8.10's default wallpaper?
[22:14] <Githzerai> ubuntu-dron: well, it's new xorg which still has problems with non-free ati and nvidia drivers. I'm not saying that it will go wrong, just that it might, so be careful. Anything that doesn't seem to look right probably isn't ;)
[22:14] <djouallah> is kde4 on the ubuntu 8.10 dvd ?
[22:15] <enjo13> glxinfo reports : direct rendering: Yes
[22:15] <enjo13> fglrxinfo reports that openGL is ATI
[22:15] <ardchoille> djouallah: kde4 is the default in Ubuntu and Kubuntu Intrepid downloads
[22:16] <donavan> Can I install KDE4 from a ubuntu 8.10 install where dual screens work?
[22:16] <KDesk> Freddy2: the xorg in intrepid should work as it is..
[22:17] <KDesk> Freddy2: But you can 'generate' one with:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[22:17] <ubuntu-dron> Githzerai: everything seems right... wish me luck
[22:17] <Freddy2> ok, thx
[22:17] <favro> donavan: it should be ok - I would make a backup of xorg.conf just in case it gets overwritten
[22:17] <LinuxApe> Just upgraded over the internet to 8.10 from 8.04, and the xserver won't start!! No screen found. Any ideas?
[22:17] <djouallah> ardchoille, what i want to know before downloading ubuntu 8.10 dvd, is kde4 is on it ?
[22:18] <Nikke> djouallah: kde4 is default kde
[22:18] <ardchoille> djouallah: yes
[22:18] <Dashkal> LinuxApe: what video card are you using?
[22:18] <Nikke> djouallah: its the only kde
[22:18] <LinuxApe> Dashkal:  ATI mobile radeon 9600
[22:18] <Freddy2> in intrepid there's only kde4??
[22:18] <Nikke> Freddy2: yes
[22:18] <ardchoille> yes
[22:18] <Dashkal> Freddy2: that is correct.
[22:18] <Githzerai> djouallah: DVD is regular kubuntu cd with extra packages.
[22:19] <LinuxApe> Dashkal:  I have been using the fglrx driver in 8.04 with no problems, the upgrade broke something.
[22:19] <Nikke> hmm i got an ati radeon 9800 here, maybe i will try that one on kde 4 =)
[22:20] <ardchoille> djouallah: I wouldn't recommend downloading the dvd unless you're on a slow connection and can't access the repos well enough, but that would mean the dvd will take longer to download too
[22:20] <ardchoille> Everything that is on the dvd is also in the repos
[22:20] <donavan> favro: the xorg is plain as possible on the gnome install
[22:20] <donavan> KDE4 is likely the issue :|
[22:21] <Dashkal> LinuxApe: I'm an nvidia user so I don't have any expertise there, unfortunately.  I'd direct you at the wiki page I saw for troubleshooting issues but I lost the link
[22:21] <favro> donavan: well my view on the new way X works is full of expletives...
[22:21] <donavan> :)
[22:21] <joshual> is there an easy way to turn off and on kde composite (wine doesnt like it)
[22:21] <ardchoille> hehe
[22:22] <KDesk> joshual: Yes, with Alt+Shift+F12 I think
[22:22] <joshual> thx KDesk
[22:23] <joshual> KDesk: yup thats the one :)
[22:23] <KDesk> :)
[22:26] <zer0o> hi guys, by pressing "shift" a pop up window comes out with something and my pc speaker makes a weird noise, how do i avoid that? thx
[22:27] <ardchoille> zer0o: does it only happen when you hold down the shift key for a bit?
[22:27] <KDesk> zer0o: There should be a message you have to read it and chose the option that prevents it to happen again, I think you have to say yes or no.
[22:30] <zer0o> oh yes
[22:30] <zer0o> thanks
[22:30] <Dashkal> I can't seem to find a keyboard control module for things like default state of the numlock key and cursor blink, etc.  My "keyboard" section in system settings only has mouse and keyboard shortcuts.  Am I missing sometihng?
[22:30] <ardchoille> accessibility keys
[22:31] <Freddy2> hmm another reason for not upgrading from hardy :)
[22:32] <CrimsonScythe> anyone else here have serious problems with ATI cards in 8.10?
[22:34] <weedar> I just upgraded to Intrepid and now Knetworkmanager doesn't see all of the available wifi-networks - Running "iwlist wlan0 scan" I find 4 wlans, but Knetworkmanager only finds 1
[22:35] <weedar> Oddly enough, the one that Knetworkmanager claims to find is not among the 4 that iwlist can see - anyone had the same problem?
[22:36] <ubuntu_> hi, can someone help me.. ihave questions to partition for kubuntu
[22:36] <ubuntu_> i want three partition swap boot and root
[22:37] <KDesk> ubuntu_:  Better boot swap and root.
[22:37] <ubuntu_> yes i know
[22:37] <weedar> ubuntu_: what is your question?
[22:37] <ubuntu_> but the wuestion is shoud i install partitions as primäry partitions
[22:38] <KDesk> ubuntu_: it is the same, I hve only boot as primary but I dont know why I have so.
[22:38] <ardchoille> I've always done well with swap being on a secondary
[22:39] <KDesk> ubuntu_: Maybe with old bios you should use a boot in a primary,
[22:39] <ardchoille> and that's the way the installer does it too
[22:39] <weedar> ubuntu_: boot should be primary, the others can be whatever - but you can have 4 primary partitions so this isn't an issue for you anyway
[22:39] <ardchoille> iirc, you can only have two primary partitions, but that was long ago
[22:39] <ubuntu_> okay i know so
[22:40] <weedar> ardchoille: you can have 4 primary partitions. I _think_ windows/dos only supported 3 at one point, but I don't think that is the case nowadays
[22:41] <ardchoille> ok
[22:41] <ardchoille> yeah, that was when Fedora Core 1 was released
[22:41] <ubuntu_> so i make sda1 as boot. swap andd root as sda5 and sda6
[22:41] <KDesk> windows is a problem... it needs to be in a primary partiyion the partition has to be happy, etc.etc.
[22:41] <Darthfrog> Three primary partitions and one extended partition.
[22:42] <weedar> ubuntu_: Just make sure /boot is a primary partition, sda1 is fine. The others don't matter, your suggestion is fine, but you could also have sda1, sda2 and sda3 if you made them all primary
[22:42] <Darthfrog> Put /boot on the first primary partition.  The rest can go anywhere else you want.
[22:43] <ubuntu_> yes, but if j want to install another system i also net a primary
[22:43] <jhutchins_wk> weedar: Windows/DOS supports 4 primaries.  *nix used to allow 7 or more.
[22:43] <Darthfrog> You don't need a swap partition anymore.  Linux does fine with a swap file.  And with the price of RAM these days, if you ever use the swap file, just add more RAM.
[22:44] <ubuntu_> but swap partition is faster than a file or?
[22:44] <jhutchins_wk> Boot on first partiton doesn't matter with current equipment/versions.
[22:44] <jhutchins_wk> ubuntu_: Yes, simpler, one less layer.
[22:44] <weedar> jhutchins_wk: really? I was so sure I couldn't make more than 4 primary partitions with fdisk years ago.
[22:44] <Darthfrog> ubuntu_: Only if the swap partition is on a separate hard drive from the / partition.
[22:44] <jhutchins_wk> weedar: I think they made it compatible with Windows.
[22:44] <KDesk> Witch is a good kde/qt  partitioner for kde/kubuntu?
[22:45] <mot_> where can i put startup scripts for programs/commands in kde4?
[22:45] <Darthfrog> KDesk: Gparted.
[22:45] <mot_> i nothing the ~/.kde/Autostart folder no longer exists...
[22:45] <mot_> noticed*
[22:45] <Darthfrog> KDesk: You can use qtparted but gparted is better.
[22:45] <KDesk> Darthfrog: So if I delete my swap partition will the system use a swap file automatcly in /root?
[22:45] <Darthfrog> KDesk: Nope.
[22:46] <weedar> jhutchins_wk: hm, but I have a vague memory of windows-fdisk not letting me create 4, after the third the fourth automatically became an extended one.. Did you have to use another tool in *nix to create >4 partitions?
[22:46] <KDesk> Darthfrog: Do I have to do It manualy?
[22:46] <Darthfrog> KDesk: Yep.
[22:46] <KDesk> Darthfrog: Gparted is to gtkish... And the LiveCD installed compared to gparted?
[22:47] <Ovi> hello
[22:47] <jhutchins_wk> weedar: iirc if you try to create a fourth partition, windows makes the fourth partion the extended container and creates an extended partition in it.  You can theoretically have four primaries, but you can't have four primary data partions plus extended partitons.  THe "container" for the extendeds takes up the fourth primary.
[22:47] <Darthfrog> KDesk: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/
[22:47] <KDesk> Darthfrog: So I will never mada a swap partition again! :) Does the swap file grow automatcly?
[22:48] <Ovi> did anyone experience kdm freeze after an upgrade to intrepid?
[22:48] <KDesk> Darthfrog: thanks!
[22:48] <weedar> jhutchins_wk: then we agree on the windows part =)
[22:48] <ubuntu_> a swap partition is good if the computer make a braeak und go sleeping because i want to use truecrypt
[22:48] <jhutchins_wk> weedar: With gnu fdisk you can create four primary data partitions.
[22:48] <KDesk> Ovi: I dont
[22:48] <jhutchins_wk> Actually, older ms fdisk would do that too.
[22:48] <vivia> hi... i have two issues in intrepid: 1) i run skype and it stays frozen, doing i don't know what 2) i have to manually rerun setxkbmap in order to get my us-intl layout working (using uim at the same time)
[22:48] <weedar> jhutchins_wk: then we agree on that too. But when/where could you then create 7 primary partitions in *nix?
[22:49] <Ovi> well, when i boot my system the keyboard and mouse are not working in kdm
[22:49] <Ovi> i tracked the problem to kdm starting before hal
[22:49] <jhutchins_wk> weedar: I've never tracked that down, but the limit was something in DOS, and I don't think that Linux actually has a limit in the number of primaries it can see.  (I may be wrong about that.)
[22:49] <jhutchins_wk> I've been at this a pretty long time, things have changed.
[22:50] <jhutchins_wk> vivia: Have you considered using ekiga instead of skype?
[22:50] <KDesk> Ovi: maybe it has also something to do with the way input devices are handelt in intrepid (xorg 7.4)
[22:50]  * jhutchins_wk is on a new crusade to get rid of skype report questions in Open Source forums.
[22:50] <vivia> jhutchins_wk: I would if I could move all my contacts to ekiga too :)
[22:50] <Ovi> KDesk: i know, the input devices are managed by hal now
[22:51] <Ovi> KDesk: but my startup scripts in rc2.d where S20kdm and S24hal
[22:51] <ubuntu_> thankl at all who helped me
[22:51] <vivia> jhutchins_wk: yeah I understand you, but unfortunately many people only have an account on skype and I cannot contact them
[22:51] <Ovi> so i moved S20kdm to S25kdm and it works fine now
[22:52] <jhutchins_wk> vivia: Because skype uses evil, closed protocols.  Anyway.  If skype is hanging, possibly it's a skype support question?
[22:52] <Ovi> can anyone with Intrepid tell me how their start scripts for kdm and hal are configured?
[22:52] <jhutchins_wk> vivia: Not being unhelpful, but they don't exactly share support info.
[22:52] <KDesk> Ovi: hmm, in my system is S24hal and S30kdm in rc2.d
[22:52] <vivia> jhutchins_wk: It worked until a while ago when I installed uim-qt and reinstalled uim...
[22:52] <Ovi> KDesk: hmm this is really weird
[22:53] <jhutchins_wk> vivia: Possibly reinstall skype?  So it can accomodate the new versions?
[22:53] <vivia> jhutchins_wk: And believe me, I am a developer of amsn so I know what it means to have to deal with closed protocols :(
[22:53] <vivia> jhutchins_wk: did that already
[22:53] <Ovi> KDesk: so it's only a problem on my side, not the default
[22:53] <KDesk> Ovi: why is now the default runlevel 2?
[22:53] <Darthfrog> KDesk: Cuz that's the Debian way.
[22:53] <KDesk> Ovi: I have made a fresh install from liveCD. Tou?
[22:54] <Ovi> KDesk: I upgraded from 8.04
[22:54] <weedar> oooh, that runlevel-thing is annoying me to no end - why on Earth did they have to change that
[22:54] <KDesk> Darthfrog: ah, I didn't know that. Was in hardy also 2 the default?
[22:54] <vivia> jhutchins_wk: I also installed those recent kernel upgrades but haven't rebooted yet, but this shouldn't be relevant right?
[22:54] <Darthfrog> KDesk: It always was.
[22:54] <Ovi> i wasted like 3 hours before finding this problem
[22:54] <KDesk> Darthfrog: lol
[22:55] <Ovi> really anoying
[22:55] <acemo> When booting the kubunt 8.10 live cd it hangs with the message "* Checking battery state...      [ok]"
[22:55] <Darthfrog> weedar: They didn't.  Runlevel 2 is the default in all Debian-based distros.
[22:55] <acemo> anything i can do to get further?
[22:55] <KDesk> Ovi: that is strange, isnt there in launchpad a open bug?
[22:55] <Darthfrog> In Redhat-based distros, runlevel 5 is the default for a graphical login.
[22:56] <Ovi> KDesk: there is, i submited this info
[22:56] <alexei> Hello! It was anounced that kubuntu8.10 will have guest account by default and knetworkmanager settings will be applied systemwise without loading xserver.
[22:56] <alexei> Where is all this feaututres?
[22:56] <alexei> *where are
[22:57] <KDesk> alexei: I thing guest session is only in ubunut, and networkmanager should work
[22:57] <alexei> For me netwrokmanager start to connect to wireless only after kde login.
[22:58] <mado-livecd> hi guys and gals ... can you guys help me with kubuntu 8.10? ... i know it just came out ... but i have some questions ... 1) as you can see when you look at my name i'm here with live-cd ... thing is ... i think i saw an error-message during the boot-process ... can you help me so that i can read it?
[22:58] <mado-livecd> as far as i heard those are "saved" somewhere
[22:58] <weedar> Darthfrog: bad choice of words by me. I mean, since my first experience with Linux runlevels meant something (still does for RHEL) and I like it. Don't see why Debian should be different :)
[22:59] <Darthfrog> mado-livecd: Press CTL-ALT-F1 (ALT-F7 to get back).  See if the report is on that console. If not, login there and type "dmesg | less".
[22:59] <KDesk> Knoppix was some years ago defaul in runlevel 5 I think, so debian should be in 5 also.
[23:00] <Darthfrog> weedar: You might ask RedHat why they don't do it the way that Debian does.  Debian is the heart & soul of Linux.
[23:00] <Mr-S> weedar: it depends on the falvor: rulevel 4 on slackware for example. just someting you hav eto live with
[23:00] <Mr-S> adn i cannor write at the moment, so it seems :)
[23:01] <acemo> whats the difference on run levels anways?
[23:01] <Darthfrog> !runlevel
[23:01] <mado-livecd> thanks Darthfrog ... is it possible to look for something special too with this "demesg"-thing?
[23:01] <weedar> Darthfrog: I love Debian (or I wouldn't use Ubuntu) but I think usage of runlevels like RHEL/Slackware/others do it existed before Debian, though I might be mistaken
[23:02] <mado-livecd> because there are "countless" lines :(
[23:02] <mado-livecd> :)
[23:02] <vivia> jhutchins_wk: rebooted, nothing happened...
[23:02] <Darthfrog> acemo: A runlevel is a specific set of services and commands launched when the system boots.  Different runlevels are used for different purposes. eg. runlevel 0 is reboot, runlevel 1 is single user maintenance mode, runlevel 2 is default graphical login, runlevel 6 is halt.
[23:02] <Mr-S> runlevels are very important. it just the number which keeps changing.
[23:03] <weedar> Mr-S: That I did not know, thanks for informing me :) And still, that is an improvement, because I assume that would mean you could change runlevels to "activate/deactivate" X
[23:03] <Darthfrog> You can switch runlevels on the fly with the telinit command.
[23:03] <acemo> cool
[23:04] <weedar> Darthfrog: But that doesn't really do anything on Debian, does it? Since default runlevel is 2 I would assume the only difference would be between runlevel 1/2 and runlevel to reboot
[23:04] <Mr-S> this is right. runlevel defines this. single user, multi user, gui login. it seems unnacessary at first, but it does have its advantage
[23:04] <vivia> jhutchins_wk: but removing uim-qt (keeping uim-qt3) did the trick
[23:04] <donavan> heh, I can't install kde4 from a ubuntu 8.10 install, whines about drivers, I presume it is the ATI drivers
[23:05] <mado-livecd> Darthfrog: next thing is ... it was funny ... the first time i started the live-cd i got nothing but a black and empty screen ...
[23:05] <weedar> All our servers at work are Centos (for now..) and though I prefer Debian I do like how CentOS handles services, "service --status-all" is a nifty tool. Does Debian have something similar?
[23:05] <Darthfrog> weedar: I'm not sure what you mean.  Of course it does something on Debian.  Telinit <runlevel #> will switch from the current runlevel into the new one.
[23:05] <mado-livecd> after doing the "ctrl+alt+F1"-thing the system started but i still can't see the message i am looking for
[23:05] <Darthfrog> weedar: Ubuntu has the service command.  Use "apt-cache search service".
[23:06] <weedar> Darthfrog: Neat! Thanks
[23:06] <weedar> Darthfrog: let me clarify. If Debian uses runlevel 2 for both multi-user mode AND for graphical login, changing between runlevel 2-5 probably won't do much since every service is started/stopped in runlevel 2
[23:06] <Darthfrog> mado-livecd: What did you see with dmesg?
[23:07] <acemo> When booting the kubunt 8.10 live cd it hangs with the message "* Checking battery state...      [ok]", what should be the next thing its trying to do?
[23:07] <Darthfrog> weedar: I don't know, I've not played around with them. :-)
[23:07] <Mr-S> acdemo: have you plugged in the normal power source of your laptop ?
[23:07] <acemo> Mr-S: its a desktop computer.
[23:07] <mado-livecd> many many lines ... but i can't see the message i'm looking for ... is there a way to search for a specific word so that i can find it easier?
[23:07] <Mr-S> in this case it is wired
[23:08] <Darthfrog> weedar: Tell you what.  Edit your /etc/inittab file and set initdefault to 0. :-)
[23:08] <Mr-S> a desktop should not call on batery state at all
[23:08] <mado-livecd> for example Darthfrog ... is there a way to copy the "demesg | less"-thing into kate?
[23:08] <acemo> Mr-S: it didn't do that on 8.04 =)
[23:08] <Darthfrog> mado-livecd: dmesg > report.txt
[23:08] <mado-livecd> thank you Darthfrog :)
[23:08] <Mr-S> normally this error messages are created by hardware issues....
[23:09] <Darthfrog> Then read the report.txt file.  But dmesg | less is all you need.
[23:09] <weedar> mado-livecd: use grep. Like "dmesg | grep word"
[23:09] <Darthfrog> weedar: Don't do that, BTW. :-)
[23:09] <Mr-S> i can boot the live cd on my dektop without any issues
[23:09] <rav> hello. i've been trying kubuntu 8.10 on a virtualbox. I change the oxygen cursor theme because I hate it, but when I restart the virtualbox, it's back. and also some applications switch back to oxygen. is this a virtualbox problem, or kde 4.1.2 problem?
[23:09] <acemo> Mr-S: But it says [ok], so it should be done with the battery part.. any idea what its supposed to do after? or could u perhaps boot a 8.10 live cd n check whats the next thing its doing? :)
[23:09] <mado-livecd> thank you weedar :)
[23:10] <weedar> Darthfrog: don't worry, my ignorance is only a clever disguise ;-)
[23:11] <Mr-S> it seems like kubuntu wants to check on the battery state. this is not common on a live cd. try downloding anothing kubuntu image. burned that one again, and boot on the new cd image
[23:11] <Darthfrog> weedar: So is mine.  Trouble is, is that it's becoming reality! :-)
[23:11] <zabbadapp> rav: that happens to me too in 8.10beta on a real computer (have not tried final yet) .... also problems with downloading and installing icons and themes.
[23:11] <mado-livecd> well ... here it is ... -> [   67.528764] uvcvideo: Failed to query (135) UVC control 1 (unit 0) : -32 (exp. 26).
[23:11] <rav> zabbadapp: thanks. I will try with final on the virtualbox before switching.
[23:12] <mado-livecd> i don't know what that means
[23:12] <acemo> Mr-S: actually.. that was the first thing i tried
[23:12] <mado-livecd> i also don't really know most of the stuff demesg is showing me
[23:12] <Mr-S> ok...
[23:12] <weedar> mado-livecd: you don't happen to have a logitech webcam?
[23:13] <Mr-S> if you have tried this one, and still get this issue. it points to hardware it cannot define or install.
[23:13] <Mr-S> how old is your desktop PC ?
[23:13] <acemo> half a year or so
[23:14] <mado-livecd> i don't know ... but ... here weedar ... http://phpfi.com/371772
[23:15] <Mr-S> what kind of special hardware do you have: soundcard, network card, usb perapherals ?
[23:15] <Wicked> any ideas why kubuntu 8.10 will not work in virtualbox?
[23:15] <mado-livecd> it's a laptop integrated webcam weedar ... don't know who the manufacturer is
[23:15] <acemo> i bet they removed ps/2 support for my keyboard.
[23:16] <mado-livecd> does this help you weedar?
[23:16] <weedar> mado-livecd: UVC is the webcam driver used by many new webcams, but somewhat broken for some cameras. In the case of a certain Logitech webcam the real problem was a broken firmware in the webcam that the windows-drivers could work-around
[23:16] <Mr-S> removed ps/2 keyboard ? by BIOS settings perhaps ?
[23:17] <weedar> The error you see reminds me of the one I used to get, but either way I would suggest you compile uvc from source
[23:17] <rav> Wicked: it works on my virtualbox
[23:17] <acemo> Mr-S: iduno.. lol acording to what your saying they have removed support for some of my hardware
[23:18] <Mr-S> do you use a usb or ps/2 keyboard ?
[23:18] <acemo> ps/2
[23:19] <weedar> mado-livecd: Of course, if you're using a live-cd that might be a bit bothersome to do everytime you boot..
[23:19] <Mr-S> it shouldn't be an issue for kubuntu to detect your keybord. Anythinh special ablout your keyboard ? language, buttons, ....
[23:19] <mado-livecd> well weedar ... i'm planning to install 8.10 :)
[23:19] <mado-livecd> but do you think there could be more problems?
[23:19] <acemo> Mr-S: nothing special bout the keyboard.. was just picking the keyboard as a random part that might be causing the problem lol
[23:20] <weedar> mado-livecd: what do you mean?
[23:20] <rav> Wicked: do you get an error?
[23:21] <Mr-S> in case you have a standard us keyboard, this i snot the reason as kubuntu can handle it. looks like a hardware issue,a BIOS isue or a burning issue.
[23:21] <Wicked> rav, no
[23:21] <mado-livecd> well weedar ... ... i know how to install kubuntu ... but i'm a bit afraid that there could be more problems as soon as kubuntu is installed ... i don't want to completely reinstall windows again ... or won't there be such problems?
[23:21] <rav> Wicked: what doesn't work then?
[23:22] <acemo> nvm the keyboard.. i really doubt its the problem
[23:22] <Wicked> rav, it installs it runs..but it runs SOOOOOO damn slow its unusable...i tried installing the guest additions which it said it instaled fine..but when i rebooted xorg was broken
[23:22] <Mr-S> check the live CD on another PC. In case it runs fine, you have a hardware issue, in caswe it runs bad, the image seems faulty.
[23:22] <kvark> I need some help to install the nvidia driver?
[23:22] <Wicked> rav, and if i edit xorg.conf to use "vboxvideo" xorg doesnt work
[23:22] <kvark> got a 8600, and don't know where to start?
[23:22] <acemo> Mr-S: Hardware issue specificly with kubuntu 8.10... since 8.04 works like a charm :/
[23:23] <Mr-S> you just nether know ...
[23:23] <ardchoille> !nvidia | kvark
[23:23] <Darthfrog> mado-livecd: Why would you have to re-install Windows?  Installing Kubuntu won't touch your Windows installation.
[23:23] <rav> Wicked: I installed the 8.10-rc just fine
[23:23] <Wicked> rav, it takes upwards of 10 seconds for the screen to refresh..so i move my mouse across the screen and it takes FOREVER for the vm to catch up
[23:23] <kvark> ty
[23:23] <Wicked> this is my 2nd install of 8.10
[23:23] <Mr-S> i knmow this sound wierd, but there has to be a reason
[23:23] <mado-livecd> Darthfrog: ... i'm just ... a bit ... i don't know how you call it ... :)
[23:23] <rav> Wicked: maybe not enough virtual memory assigned to the box
[23:23] <Wicked> i installed 8.10rc and then today i installed final 8.10. and ive been using vb for a while now..never had issues
[23:23] <Darthfrog> mado-livecd: Chicken? :-)
[23:24] <acemo> Doesn't sounds weird that there has to be A reason ;)
[23:24] <weedar> mado-livecd: Install Linux alongside Windows, on a separate partition. There shouldn't be any chance of it "damaging" your Windows installation
[23:24] <mado-livecd> maybe :) ... yeah ... i guess that's the word
[23:24] <Wicked> rav, there should be....i installed over a 8.04 vm and the 8.04 worked great
[23:24] <xp-killer> how to be in admin root privilage?
[23:24] <mado-livecd> weedar: ... one more thing ... can you help me later with this compiling thing?
[23:24] <Darthfrog> mado-livecd: Well, back up all your data that you care about.  Then jump in the deep end. :-)
[23:24] <Mr-S> i know from expeperience that a wrong burning image may cause issues....
[23:24] <PasNox> hi all
[23:25] <weedar> mado-livecd: sure, not sure how long I'll be online but I think it'll be a while - just highlight me by writing my nick and I'll respond if I'm here :)
[23:25] <ardchoille> !hi | PasNox
[23:25] <PasNox> i just switch to intrepid, with nvidia card, 3d acceleration is ok, but i can't enable desktop effect in opengl mode ( it works fine in xrender mode )
[23:25] <weedar> compiling uvc is a sinch though, and I really mean that :-)
[23:25] <rav> Wicked: Mr-S could be right, maybe the image is broken
[23:25] <PasNox> what i can do ?
[23:25] <mado-livecd> a what??
[23:25] <acemo> rav: Mr-S is talking to me ^^
[23:25] <Wicked> rav, no errors during install.....so im prety sure the the image is good
[23:26] <Wicked> and im installing right from the iso image.
[23:26] <mado-livecd> sinch ... i can't find this word in my dictionary :)
[23:26] <junior_> good works guys -k.8-10 here
[23:26] <xp-killer> how to be in root?
[23:26] <mado-livecd> what does it mean? ... something like "it's difficult" ?
[23:26] <Darthfrog> mado-livecd: Are you not a native speaker of English?  "Cinch" is idiomatic English.
[23:26] <ardchoille> mado-livecd: it was a typo, "cinch" means "easy"
[23:27] <mado-livecd> uhuu ... and no .... i'm not a native speaker :)
[23:27] <mado-livecd> cinch is the only word i didn't know :)
[23:27] <Darthfrog> mado-livecd: :-)  "It's a chinch" means "it's very easy" or "It's certain."
[23:27] <jmichaelx> i have a virtualbox installation of vista (that i installed under hardy), and since i did a fresh install of intrepid, i can no longer access the floppy drive when using my vbox install of vist. anyone have a clue?
[23:28] <Wicked> well this is a big letdown.
[23:28] <mado-livecd> so a peace of cake then :)
[23:28] <jmichaelx> vista*
[23:28] <antoranz> Hi, Guys!
[23:28] <mado-livecd> so ok then ...
[23:28] <antoranz> What do I have to do to enabled the nvidia driver ona presario V3317la?
[23:29] <mado-livecd> can you Darthfrog and weedar hang on ... i want to keep this here open if that's possible ... so that i can ask you something if i don't know what to do during the installation
[23:29] <jmichaelx> !hi | antoranz
[23:29] <amd-64> so 8.10 is released, not like that final trial thing?
[23:29] <antoranz> thanks, man
[23:29] <mado-livecd> and erm ... Darthfrog ... did i sound like a native speaker? :)
[23:29] <xp-killer> the hardware manager saying my ati card not in use,when i try to enable it i tells me i need to be in root privilage or admin
[23:29]  * jmichaelx ^.^
[23:29] <Darthfrog> mado-livecd: I can't guarantee my presence.  I come and go as life demands of me. ;-)
[23:29] <PasNox> personne ne sait pour mon pb nvidia / desktop effects ?
[23:29] <ardchoille> !fr
[23:29] <mado-livecd> uhuu ... i see Darthfrog ;)
[23:29] <antoranz> back in hardy, the vidio used to crash when I used heavy graphics (like compiz)
[23:30] <Darthfrog> mado-livecd: You have good command of English.  Better than many lazy native speakers using a keyboard! :-)
[23:30] <jmichaelx> Darthfrog: speak for yourself!
[23:30] <PasNox> nobody know for my nvidia / desktop effects problem ?
[23:30] <jmichaelx> opps, sorry
[23:30] <Eyeless> is it possible to disable the 3d accelerated desktop in kd4? My GPU fan is driving me mad
[23:30] <weedar> xp-killer: use "sudo" to run commands as root, or just "sudo bash" to get a root shell
[23:30] <xp-killer> my pagages are break how do i clean it out to continue installing?
[23:30] <jmichaelx> Eyeless: noisy?
[23:30] <PasNox> it do'nt work in opengl but does in xrender, and my 3d accelerator is working fine
[23:30] <Eyeless> very
[23:30] <mado-livecd> Darthfrog: :) ... that flatters :)
[23:30] <mado-livecd> i hope i don't blush :)
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> Eyeless: System Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop effects
[23:31] <jmichaelx> Eyeless: i am having the same issue.... and my card is brand new
[23:31] <antoranz> and now in intrepid, in the "proprietary drivers", I don't see anything about the nvidia card
[23:31] <mado-livecd> Darthfrog: thank you *smiling*
[23:31] <weedar> mado-livecd: I'll probably be here, ask away if you run into problems. We'll try to help, or at least reply with witty sarcasm :-)
[23:31] <xp-killer> wat do i type "sudo root" in the console?
[23:31] <Eyeless> jmichaelx: mine is a bit old but very powerhungry
[23:31] <antoranz> anyway.... what package should I install "by hand"?
[23:32] <mado-livecd> weedar: *laughing*
[23:32] <zarlino> hi all, in intrepid i want to set a screen resolution from the system settings
[23:32] <jmichaelx> Eyeless: mine is two weeks old, but makes a very high pitched sound when compiz  is running... it' awful
[23:32] <weedar> xp-killer: if you want a root-shell, just write "sudo bash" in a terminal and you'll get root after writing your password
[23:32] <zarlino> but at the next startup it is forgotten
[23:32] <zarlino> any idea?
[23:33] <Eyeless> JontheEchidna: thanks, i was looking in the pld kde 3 places :)
[23:33] <weedar> xp-killer: but for single commands you should just use "sudo <command>", like: "sudo cp something somewhere"
[23:33] <Eyeless> now lets see if my gpu shuts up
[23:33] <xp-killer> weedar: ok but now i cant download n install no packs from adept there was a comand to clean it up broken pacages but i forgot it
[23:34] <jmichaelx> bad thing is that kde4 loses so much of its coolness without compiz
[23:34] <Eyeless> jmichaelx: im actuly considering getting a new card, maybe a fanless one
[23:34] <ardchoille> xp-killer: sudo apt-get -f install  ?
[23:34] <weedar> xp-killer: try running "sudo apt-get update" and possibly "sudo apt-get upgrade" to refresh your package-cache and upgrade any upgradeable packages
[23:34] <amd-64> hmm I see alot of issues bout 8.10 huh, makes me uncertain if i should wait to upgrade = )
[23:34] <weedar> xp-killer: if some dependency is broken apt-get will suggest a command to fix it, I don't remember it at the moment
[23:34] <weedar> xp-killer: yeah, what ardchoille said :-)
[23:34] <ardchoille> xp-killer: if you're going to update or upgrade packages, keep in mind it will be slow
[23:35] <weedar> amd-64: aw, come on! All the cool kids are doing it
[23:35] <amd-64> haha @ weed
[23:35] <jmichaelx> i do wish they had not totally done away with pseudo-transparency.... maybe they will bring it back. that would be much better for lower spec hardware....
[23:35]  * jmichaelx likes his old junk hardware
[23:36] <zarlino> how to set screen resolution in system settings permanently?
[23:37] <amd-64> well i'm hopeing there's many music programs, like 8.04, "IE" multi-trackers, synth effects, etc..etc...
[23:37] <jmichaelx> amd-64: i totally trashed my kubuntu installation on my desktop when i tried to uprade to intrepid. that had never happened to me before. the upgrade an my laptop went fine.... my suggestion is to make sure and backup, backup, backup before you upgrade
[23:38] <xp-killer> ardchoille: a friend give me this kubuntu version cause mine is damage when i install this one i went in adept and im seing a lot of stuff install when i type compiz im not seing it in adept
[23:38] <weedar> jmichaelx: you should be able to turn off most of the eyecandy to increase speed, just uncheck everything under Desktop Effects
[23:38] <ardchoille> xp-killer: no idea, I don't use compiz
[23:38] <xp-killer> ardchoille: beryl?
[23:38] <jmichaelx> weedar: yeah... but i need my transparency ^.^
[23:39] <marekt>  hi can i somehow add special actions for right column in dolphin? i mean i would like for ex convert avi to divx player etc, i know it is posssible in nautilus but i use kde4
[23:39] <ardchoille> xp-killer: I keep all effects turned off, they don't serve any prupose IMHO
[23:39] <amd-64> oh I'll just do a clean full install, after burning a cd, nothing on this , I already saved everything on 5 cd's  = )
[23:39] <jmichaelx> amd-64: then you're in good shape
[23:40] <bulbec> Hello people!)
[23:40] <xp-killer> ardchoille: ok. in my hardware driver they say my ati not in use i try to enable it then it went to look for drivers i tink then give me n error
[23:40] <jmichaelx> ardchoille: i would shut compiz off, if i could still have some transparency... but that is not possible in KDE4 without a compositing manager running
[23:40] <jmichaelx> !hi | bulbec
[23:40] <weedar> Desktop Effects were fun the first time, but I got bored pretty fast. Give me a graytone console anyday. Even vim is too fancy if you ask me. And get off my lawn!
[23:40] <bulbec> thanx)
[23:41] <bulbec> i have a problem, can someone help me?
[23:41] <amd-64> yup =)  just take time to figure out a new desktop, same as 8.04 took me , awhile to get it the way i wanted = )
[23:41] <jmichaelx> lmao @ vim being too fancy
[23:41] <replman> Hi! Can i install kubuntu without a cdrom?
[23:41] <Darthfrog> weedar: Vim is too fancy?  Vim?  Fancy?  What are you smoking?!?
[23:41] <replman> there's already an old kubuntu installed but i want to make a clean installation
[23:42]  * Darthfrog thinks weedar has been into the recreational pharmaceuticals recently.
[23:42] <jmichaelx> well, i was REALLY pissed about being forced to move to KDE4 if i wanted to use kubuntu intrepid.... but i must sheepishly admit that i am really liking it (even though i ranted against kde4 on the forums0
[23:43] <Darthfrog> jmichaelx: That's OK, a girl is allowed to change her mind.  <grinning, ducking and running>
[23:43] <weedar> Hey, Vim is actually great. I hated vi the first time I tried it, but once you learn a few commands it is a very efficient way to edit textfiles, and vim is even better, especially for code
[23:43] <zarlino> how to start compiz automatically in kde4?
[23:44]  * jmichaelx throws a left-jab in Darthfrog's general direction
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> zarlino: System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Session manager
[23:44] <panos4ever> system settings
[23:44] <amd-64> <--agrees wit jmichaelx, I wanted to keep this kde desktop too, just add the other stuff hehe
[23:44] <xp-killer> zarlino: how do u enable it if u know tell me cause it look like it install on my kubuntu already
[23:44] <panos4ever> where are u from guys?
[23:45] <Darthfrog> You guys know that kwin in KDE 4 incorporates much of compiz?
[23:45] <ardchoille> !ot
[23:45] <weedar> What DOES surprise me is the recent security-notice about "ed". I mean, really? Who uses ed?
[23:45] <jmichaelx> i cannot acces the floppy drive in my virtualbox install of vista since installing intrepid, and THAT is really making me mad
[23:45] <amd-64> took me so long to get used to, now it's back to being a blonde twit like i never used a computer, haha till i get da hang of it!
[23:45] <bulbec> i had kubuntu on my hard drive, i got kernel panic and after 12 houres of trying to make it work, someone "smart" said i had to install windows. I tryed, i got all formated but i didnt get the install((  when this hard is connected, it says IDE Channel 0 no 80 conductors installed, when i try to install kubuntu or windows it says "ata5.01 :status :{DRDY}      Buffer I/O error no devise sda. logical block 0       ata 5.01: exe[tion
[23:45] <bulbec> mask 0x0 SAct 0x0 Serr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen"     did I killed my hard disk? or maybe i still can make it work
[23:45] <bulbec> ?
[23:46] <jmichaelx> vim-related issues are never off-topic
[23:46] <Darthfrog> System Settings/Desktop/ Enable Desktop Effects.
[23:46] <ardchoille> jmichaelx: no, but asking where everyone's from is
[23:46] <zarlino> Darthfrog: yes but kwin is slower an my integrated intel
[23:46] <jmichaelx> lol ardchoille, agreed
[23:47] <replman> Hi! Without having a cdrom-drive, is it possible to install ubuntu? I have an old one running (5.04)
[23:47] <replman> i want to make a clean installation
[23:47] <panos4ever> update
[23:48] <zarlino> replman: use unetbootin
[23:48] <weedar> replman: you could install from a usb-drive
[23:48] <marekt> hi is there any widget for kde4 with weather?
[23:48] <zarlino> marekt: i'd like to know this too
[23:48] <replman> weedar: also from a usb-stick?
[23:49] <weedar> replman: yeah :)
[23:50] <weedar> replman: checkout http://www.pendrivelinux.com
[23:50] <amd-64> i installed open_suse on a very old ibm thinkpad, just for mom to play frozen bubble on hehe, it took 3 freakin hours!!
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> marekt, zarlino: sudo apt-get install plasmoid-weather ;kbuildsycoca4
[23:50] <panos4ever> hack_the_world
[23:52] <Elgordo123> You have probably been asked this 1,000 times..  nothing on forums..   How the heck do I change my IP on my NIC?
[23:52] <Elgordo123> Fresh install gave me dhcp, but have no idea where to change to manual IP.  Network manager runs through wizard but does nothing
[23:53] <replman> Don't understand why installing from usb-stick must be so complicated
[23:53] <ardchoille> replman: Isn't is a easy as copying the iso to usb key and booting from the usb key?
[23:54] <bulbec> Does someone know if my hard disk will work again?
[23:54] <bulbec>  i had kubuntu on my hard drive, i got kernel panic and after 12 houres of trying to make it work, someone "smart" said i had to install windows. I tryed, i got all formated but i didnt get the install((  when this hard is connected, it says IDE Channel 0 no 80 conductors installed, when i try to install kubuntu or windows it says "ata5.01 :status :{DRDY}      Buffer I/O error no devise sda. logical block 0       ata 5.01: exe[tion
[23:54] <bulbec> [19:45] <bulbec> mask 0x0 SAct 0x0 Serr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen"     did I killed my hard disk? or maybe i still can make it work
[23:54] <bulbec> [19:45] <bulbec> ?
[23:54] <marekt> JontheEchidna but how can i check weather at my location - poland?
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> marekt: weather.yahoo.com has a way I think
[23:55] <replman> ardchoille: no :-(
[23:55] <Elgordo123> How do I change from dhcp to manual IP?   Network manager doesn't change anything...
[23:56] <beta-guy> is there a way to change the display driver?
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> marekt: use the city search, then go to the page. Your weather code should be in the url
[23:56] <enzo> hi
[23:56] <jonathan_> Hey
[23:56] <weedar> Elgordo123: you could add an entry in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:57] <enzo> i have intrepid and a logitech cordless keyboard/mouse MX 3200 with special buttons such as screen snapshot and calculator
[23:57] <marekt> JontheEchidna thanks it works ;0
[23:57] <Elgordo123> weedar: thanks. I'll take a look
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> :)
[23:57] <enzo> when i first installed kubuntu (it was the kubuntu before hardy), these buttons were working but not any more, what can i do to make them work ?
[23:58] <marekt> it shows only current temp, can it show a forecast?
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> marekt: it should gain that in KDE 4.2
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> it should be much better then
[23:58] <jonathan_> hey has anyone seen that picture of Bill Gates, saying that he uses Linux haha.
[23:59] <marekt> JontheEchidna i found this one, giving a try ;0 http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/weatherforecast?content=92149&PHPSESSID=f8c31d87ded22423afb06be739a0724b