[11:23] <mup> Issue operator#690 opened: Harness seems to confuse - and _ in storage names <Created by mmanciop> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/690>
[13:29] <mup> Issue operator#691 opened: How to test charms that rely on Container.can_connect? <Created by mmanciop> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/691>


[12:26] <lostson> good morning
[12:27] <greppy> it is a morning...
[12:42] <lostson> its not raining so far so good
[12:47] <greppy> heh
[12:47] <greppy> not sure if it is raining here or not, don't care enough to go outside :)
[17:52] <h00k> Gooood morning


[00:57] <Riddell> yay, all 5 CDs working for me
[01:19] <lex79> can someone upload this? launchpad bug 412786, thanks
[01:24] <shtylman> Riddell: the ubiquity stuff get straightened out I take it?
[01:27] <Riddell> shtylman: yes
[01:28] <Riddell> although the fix is suspiciously small
[01:28] <shtylman> thats a bad thing?
[01:29]  * shtylman is looking at the fix....why does it look like such a hack?
[01:30] <ScottK> How can soprano-sesame-backend be source multiverse, binary universe?
[01:31] <Riddell> shtylman: I'm just not sure how it needed lots of changes on the gtk side and  very little on kde side
[01:31] <Riddell> ScottK: nope, it's non free and multiverse is where it goes
[01:31] <shtylman> maybe the way I was already supporting/handling the timezones?
[01:31] <ScottK> Riddell: Right, but then how can the binaries be free?
[01:31] <shtylman> does it work now?
[01:32] <ScottK> soprano-backend-sesame | 2.2.1-0ubuntu1 | karmic/multiverse | source
[01:32] <ScottK> soprano-backend-sesame | 2.2.1-0ubuntu1 | karmic/universe | amd64, i386
[01:33] <Riddell> hum, ythat's not right
[01:36] <shtylman> Riddell: do we have a slideshow in this version?
[01:38] <ScottK> Riddell: It's also that way in Jaunty.
[01:38] <ScottK> NCommander: kdegames built on armel, so that's one fix verified.
[01:39] <Riddell> ScottK: fixed
[01:40] <Riddell> shtylman: no, shuld we?
[01:40] <Riddell> my internet seems busted tonight, makes typiing hard
[01:41] <ScottK> Riddell: What about Jaunty?
[01:43] <Riddell> fixed that too
[01:44] <ScottK> Cool.  Didn't know we could do that
[01:44]  * ScottK makes a note
[01:46] <shtylman> Riddell: no idea...was just curious if we have made our own slides yet...
[01:46] <shtylman> and you said the installer fix was too small...but does it actually work now?
[01:46] <shtylman> in the correct ways?
[01:47] <Riddell> yes as far as I've tested
[01:47] <Riddell> which is English language in UK
[01:47] <shtylman> ok..thats good to know...what had to change on the gtk side that we didn't have to do?
[01:48] <Riddell> shtylman: dunno I didn't study7 the code much
[01:49] <shtylman> gotcha
[01:49] <shtylman> well...guess we will know if we get bug reports :)
[01:53] <shtylman> so I think the reason the changes were a bit less for the kde side is because I was already doing the things they needed to add to the gtk side
[01:53] <shtylman> like changing the map based on city change combo...and also had split off my own storage of regional based city lookup
[01:54] <shtylman> I think I did all that long time ago when transitioning to the new timezone map for jaunty
[02:44]  * Daskreech waves
[02:45] <Daskreech> can KDM not logging in automatically in a licve CD be a paperkut?
[02:47] <Riddell> ?  that would be a bug
[02:47] <Daskreech> Riddell: I mean after logout
[02:47] <Daskreech> i.e. Boot up Live CD get a live environment with nopasswd sudo and a random passwd
[02:48] <Daskreech> Logout of Desktop -> GEt a Login screen with no possible way to login
[02:49] <Daskreech> and now they don't have the TTYs autologged in on bootup so the only thing that you can do is reboot the computer. Would be nice if you logout of the desktop after bootup it would pause on the login screen and then login atuomaticallu
[02:49] <Daskreech> s|llu|lly
[02:50] <Daskreech> KDM supports it so I think it would just be making that setting on bydefault. Timed Login I think it's set as
[02:53] <Riddell> it should just not offer logout I'd say
[02:53] <Daskreech> :-p
[02:54] <Daskreech> I think that you know that there are quite a few ways to get logged out aside from pressing the logout button
[02:54] <Daskreech> and Why the arbritary restriction on not logging out ?
[02:54] <Riddell> it's a live CD, why would you ever want to log out
[02:55] <Daskreech> You made a new user?
[02:55] <Daskreech> You installed drivers to get compositing ?
[02:56] <Daskreech> Something froze and you killed X?
[02:56] <Daskreech> alt+Sysreq+K
[02:56] <Riddell> not the usual live CD use cases I'd have thought
[02:56] <Daskreech> Someone was impressed with the smooth transistion between the splash and the desktop and you wanted to show it off again?
[02:57] <Daskreech> ^^^ that one is :)
[03:00] <Daskreech> oh Riddell cool you are here I wanted to ask about the other desktop types. I read that there are three new desktop types?
[03:02] <Riddell> how do you mean desktop types?
[03:02] <Riddell> there's the netbook
[03:02] <Daskreech> one second
[03:02] <Daskreech> http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-43-early-preview/
[03:03] <Daskreech> They mention a cluttered Desktop and blackboard desktop types
[03:05] <Riddell> hmm, I don't seem to have them
[03:06] <Riddell> not sure where they're hidden I'm afraid
[03:06] <Daskreech> let me look in the svn to see where they are
[03:07] <Daskreech> Riddell: are we still interested in having a kubuntu-ultimate package ?
[03:07] <Riddell> Daskreech: what's that?
[03:07] <Daskreech> A one package that will install all the KDE stuff settings we would ship if we had a infinite size CD
[03:07] <Daskreech> So the wallpapers the plasma addons the runners etc
[03:08] <Riddell> hmm, well there is already kde-full
[03:09] <Daskreech> oh?
[03:09]  * Daskreech walks to look at it
[03:11] <Riddell> we still want the meta pacakge of all plasma widgets done
[03:13] <NCommander> ScottK, w00t
[03:13] <Riddell> hi NCommander, are you to thank for qt compiling on all arches?
[03:14] <NCommander> Riddell, thank infinity, he was the one who reinstalled the buildds to use jaunty.
[03:14] <NCommander> Riddell, (I simply did some debugging on it, but he's the real hero)
[03:15] <Riddell> what difference does that make?
[03:16] <Daskreech> moodin is KDE3 right?
[03:16] <Riddell> yes
[03:17] <Daskreech> No replacement for KDE4 as yet?
[03:18] <Riddell> well the new ksplash is much better
[03:19] <Daskreech> moodin was a splash creator as I understand?
[03:19] <Daskreech> So you can make things now for ksplash much easier?
[03:19] <Riddell> probably not but the end result is better
[03:22] <NCommander> Riddell, don't ask
[03:22] <NCommander> Riddell, something about running a karmic chroot on a lenny base causes Bad Mojo(tm) to happen
[03:22] <Riddell> we use lenny?
[03:22] <NCommander> used
[03:23] <Riddell> ok
[03:23] <NCommander> We didn't have Ubuntu armel when the port was bootstrapped ;-)
[03:23] <NCommander> So the buildds have been running lenny until very recently
[03:23] <Riddell> I wonder if we should look into arm images for kubuntu netbook one day
[03:23] <NCommander> Riddell, the lack of graphics acceleration ATM is going to hurt
[03:23] <Riddell> would probably need someone to have hardware to test it on too I suppose, details details
[03:24]  * NCommander won't run KDE on any machine that can't do accelerated graphics
[03:24] <Riddell> works fine on my machine with crappy S3 video card
[03:25] <NCommander> You still have 2D accelaration on that thing
[03:26] <NCommander> When /dev/fb0 is all you got, you are hurting
[03:26] <NCommander> (granted, the situation may be better w/ 4.3 vs. 4.2)
[03:36] <Daskreech> ok plasma has me mighty confused via the source :)
[03:38] <Daskreech> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.3/kdebase/workspace/plasma/containments/
[03:39] <Daskreech> I'm looking for where to go from there
[03:55] <nixternal> anyone here use eric for doing python work?
[03:57] <Daskreech> nixternal: Want to help me with a little hunt :)
[03:57] <nixternal> what's up?
[03:59] <Daskreech> I'm trying to find the folderview contatinment in the svn
[03:59] <Daskreech> containment
[04:02] <nixternal> Daskreech: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/apps/plasma/applets/folderview/
[04:15] <Daskreech> nixternal: That's an applet I want the containment
[04:45] <ScottK> NCommander and Riddell: Seems to me that plasma-netbook runs a lot faster than regular plasma-desktop.  It might actually work on armel.   Certainly better than desktop.  Once plasma-netbook gets a little more complete it'd probably make sense to swap the Kubuntu Desktop armel ISO for a netbook one.  We had armel testers in Jaunty, so we can probably get them again.
[05:17] <DaskreeCH> nixternal: home :)
[05:27] <ScottK> ryanakca and Riddell: snapfish.com flash based bulk photo uploader works in Firefox and not in Konqueror/Arora.
[05:51] <DaskreeCH> I think that we may not want the kde-full == kubuntu-full
[07:40] <ScottK> txwikinger_work: Looks like ichtux-desktop needs some updating.
[07:41] <ScottK> txwikinger_work: gtk-qt-engine and gtk-qt-engine-kde4 are nbs and not removed due to it.
[07:56] <DaskreeCH> can we install Goolg gadgets support in Kubuntu ?
[07:56] <DaskreeCH> Google
[07:58] <ScottK> Need Firefox for that.
[08:13] <DaskreeCH> ScottK: Serious?
[08:21] <maco> a user in #ubuntu today demonstrated https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/99740 with dolphin
[08:21] <maco> as in, dolphin was fullscreen and no way to leave full screen except to switch from compiz to metacity
[08:22] <maco> only commonality i know between dolphin and ff is: c++
[08:22] <maco> that seems silly
[08:23] <DaskreeCH> They were using compiz ith Dolphin ?
[08:23] <DaskreeCH> with
[08:24] <ScottK> DaskreeCH: That's what I've been told.
[08:24] <maco> yes
[08:24] <DaskreeCH> ScottK: Ugh.
[08:24] <maco> gnome user who likes dolphin
[08:26] <DaskreeCH> maco: Sounds like abugin Compiz
[11:38] <davmor2> Whats the actual name of the ublog plasmoid please
[11:40] <davmor2> should the the ublog app show what the people you're following are saying?
[12:04] <Riddell> davmor2: twitter
[12:04] <Riddell> it shows a feed of friends but I've never quite worked out which
[12:05] <davmor2> Riddell: Yes twitter I can't even see that
[12:57] <Riddell> davmor2: is knetworkmanager working for  you in the kubuntu installs?
[12:59] <davmor2> Riddell: It worked on the 2 wubi installs I just did as I connected to the web and ublog and amarok to magnatunes
[12:59] <davmor2> Riddell: I can try a cd install after
[13:00] <Riddell> that's fine, it's taken to not doing any action for me, which is a problem other people were showing me last week before the 0.8 change
[13:00] <davmor2> not wubi sorry netboot
[13:01] <Riddell> install method is unlikely to make a difference
[13:01] <Riddell> davmor2: have your tried OEM recently?
[13:04] <davmor2> Riddell: it failed chronically yesterday I can't see it being greatly improved today.  However I am running an oem test currently on ubuntu alt
[13:05] <ryanakca> Is there somewheres on the daily CDs that shows the CD's date? At times I'm not sure which CD is which...
[13:05] <Riddell> oh well, thanks for trying
[13:07] <davmor2> ryanakca: how are you downloading them?
[13:08] <ryanakca> davmor2: rsync.
[13:14] <Riddell> ryanakca: you can check the md5sum
[13:14] <davmor2> ryanakca: why do you have more than one iso then?
[13:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 409966 ...possibly backport all new 2.0.3?
[13:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh aye.  I keep forgetting the magic new backport commands is the trouble
[13:20] <apachelogger> I see :)
[13:21] <ryanakca> davmor2: burned CDs?
[13:48] <jussi01> hrm, is this qualifying for a paperkut? in dolphin, when I use a sftp:// address, it asks if I want to save the password (i do). if I use a smb:// address it does not ask, and I still do...
[13:50] <Mamarok> gah, I am off from #kubuntu a while, that Guest80840 chap is going on my nerves
[13:51] <Riddell> how's this?  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha4/Kubuntu
[13:51] <Riddell> Mamarok: seems that problem solved itself :)
[13:51] <Mamarok> jussi01: could you have a look there? now somebody tells people to use OS X...
[13:52] <jussi01> Mamarok: Im only vaguely here...
[13:52] <ScottK> jussi01: If it has an easy solution, then I think it could be a paperkut.
[13:53] <jussi01> ScottK: yeah, I just dont know if its an easy solution, hence Im asking here ;)
[13:55] <ScottK> Tonio knows the most about the smb stuff here, I think.
[13:58] <Mamarok> gah, now he is spreading lies in #kde
[13:58] <Mamarok> Riddell: could yu have a look there? >I am not Nepomuk/Strigi proof enough
[13:59] <Mamarok> you* even
[14:01] <apachelogger> nepmuk is a lie :P
[14:02] <asac> i assume that no news is good news wrt knetworkmanager + kubuntu alpha4?
[14:03] <asac> Riddell: ?
[14:04] <Mamarok> well, that guy pretends he can't stop it, and that is a blatant lie
[14:04] <Riddell> asac: it's working for our hard working tester davmor2, I'm seeing another bug where it doesn't start the connection at all, but I also had people report that when using NM 0.7 so it's an older issue
[14:04] <davmor2> asac: I is just about to do another kubuntu run so I can confirm shortly
[14:04] <asac> Riddell: ok as long as basic stuff works its good and better than before
[14:05] <asac> so 0.7.1 worked wrt to the fix we landed
[14:05] <asac> but the last uploads we had in the archive should already have been broken simiarly
[14:05] <rgreening> Riddell: is this uploaded to a PPA somewhere?
[14:05] <asac> Riddell: you sure those have workspace properly upgraded too?
[14:05] <asac> davmor2: what should work is probably wired + wifi open,wep and wpa-psk
[14:05] <Riddell> rgreening: is what?
[14:05] <asac> also would be interesting to test wpa-EAP
[14:06] <asac> but i guess you dont have such an AP at hand?
[14:06] <Riddell> asac: I don't no
[14:06] <apachelogger> I think mine does that
[14:06] <asac> ok ... unless we know that i would think its a mismatch still
[14:07] <asac> apachelogger: not for now. but we should definitly try the various enterprise options
[14:07] <davmor2> asac: no I have 2 wireless one of which is a fon so has wep and open and my personal one which is wpa -psk I think
[14:07] <asac> which was always pretty broken for knetworkmanager ... and which i wanted to see improved this cycle finally
[14:07] <apachelogger> *nod*
[14:07] <rgreening> Riddell: knetwork managler :)
[14:07] <Riddell> rgreening: it's in the main karmic archive
[14:07] <Riddell> birthday hug for seele!
[14:08]  * apachelogger birthdayhugs seele
[14:08] <asac> apachelogger: i think you need to setup some radius server or something to make use of that.
[14:08] <rgreening> oh... the updates you and asac are discussing has been uploaded to main?
[14:08] <seele> yay hugs!
[14:08] <smarter> Konversation seems to create a "$HOME" directory in my home and puts the log in .kde/share/apps/konversation/logs there
[14:08] <asac> apachelogger: in case you do that it would be great to get a brain dump on a wiki somewhere
[14:08]  * rgreening bear hugs seele *squish*
[14:08] <smarter> does it do that for anyone else?
[14:08] <smarter> happy birthday seele :)
[14:08] <asac> rgreening: i am not sure. but i thought Riddell uploaded everything yesterday
[14:08] <apachelogger> smarter: there is a BR about that, jonny is on it AFAIK, the issue is in kds
[14:09] <smarter> okay
[14:09] <asac> congrats seele!
[14:09] <Riddell> asac: I did, and it's on the alpha 4 CDs
[14:09] <rgreening> hmm... my wireless never worked last night...
[14:09] <asac> nice
[14:09] <Riddell> smarter: yes that's the default settings
[14:09] <asac> rgreening: which version of   kdebase-workspace* ?
[14:09]  * seele thanks everyone
[14:09] <rgreening> asac: checking...
[14:09]  * smarter just commited a crash fix to Konversation
[14:09] <smarter> I'll let someone else handle this bug :p
[14:10] <apachelogger> I suppose jonny already committed a fix
[14:10] <smarter> nh
[14:10] <apachelogger> a quickfix one might say
[14:10] <smarter> *nah
[14:10] <smarter> I'm on latest svn
[14:10] <apachelogger> I mean to kds
[14:11] <apachelogger> yus LogfilePath=.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs
[14:11] <smarter> oh, yes
[14:11] <ScottK> I thought the konversation thing got fixed already
[14:11] <rgreening> asac 4:4.3.0b-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[14:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: UNRELEASED it sez
[14:12] <ScottK> Ah
[14:12] <rgreening> oh man.... that 'b' rev came from a PPA and the one in main doesn't have the 'b'... Riddell/asac....
[14:12] <ScottK> rgreening: Need get get the package from the archive.
[14:12] <asac> rgreening: not sure if the ppa thing already has the fix
[14:13] <asac> rgreening: at best downgraded to archive version for now
[14:13] <Riddell> get rid of PPA versions
[14:13] <asac> which got prepatched
[14:13] <ScottK> asac and Riddell: no network detected here using the current archive packages.
[14:13] <apachelogger> if someone sees tonio, please poke him into not exceeding 80 characters per line in debian/changelog
[14:13] <rgreening> dang...
[14:13] <smarter> about Arora: icefox has been working on wallet support for the last few days and should get it into master soon, I'll try to plug kwallet dbus api in that soon
[14:13] <apachelogger> oh, actually
[14:13] <asac> ScottK: driver?
[14:13] <apachelogger> kwwii:
[14:13] <ScottK> asac: bcmwl
[14:13] <apachelogger> kwwii: don't exceed 80 characters per line in debian/changelog :P
[14:13] <ScottK> Works fine with ifup/ifdown
[14:13] <asac> ScottK: i guess you dont have nm-applet installed so you can cross check if its an applet issue at all?
[14:14] <asac> feels like its a driver thing ... killall wpa_supplicant and reload the driver might help you get up to speed ;)
[14:14] <ScottK> asac: I don't, but I can switch back to /network/interfaces and get it.
[14:14] <ScottK> OK
[14:14] <ScottK> Doing a live cd test at the moment.  I'll report back in a bit.
[14:14] <asac> ScottK: yeah. you can manually connect to stuff even if scanning is broken ;)... thats how drivers are. but i dont want to rule out a applet bug
[14:15] <ScottK> sure
[14:16] <asac> but if someone says bcmwl my answer defaults to "driver" ;)
[14:16] <asac> especially after suspend/resume its prone to go to bad state
[14:16] <ScottK> reasonable
[14:17] <ScottK> What's the package name for the gnome thing?
[14:17] <asac> network-manager-gnome
[14:17] <ScottK> Thanks
[14:17] <asac> killall knetworkmanager; nm-applet
[14:22] <ScottK> asac: nm-applet connects fine
[14:23] <rgreening> ZaReason will have Ubuntu/Kubuntu netbook options :)
[14:23] <rgreening> whee
[14:23] <ScottK> rgreening: Link?
[14:23] <Riddell> rgreening: ZaReason ?
[14:23] <rgreening> http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/12/zareason-launches-ubuntu-linux-netbook/
[14:24] <rgreening> :)
[14:24] <rgreening> I may buy one of those... after Karmic is fully baked
[14:24] <asac> ScottK: symptoms for knetworkmanager are that you dont see any network at all?
[14:24] <ScottK> asac: Yes
[14:25] <rgreening> http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16216
[14:25] <asac> odd
[14:25] <ScottK> This is also on Kubuntu Netbook, so I suppose if it works for other people, it's vaguely possible some plasma-netbook thing is breaking it.
[14:26] <asac> hmm
[14:26] <ScottK> rgreening: Do you see wireless APs with the Knm thing?
[14:27] <asac> so when you dont see any ap in there, do you see the APs in nm-tool?
[14:27] <rgreening> ScottK: I have to restart, since I had to install the archive packages (stupid PPA and archive were mismatched)
[14:27] <ScottK> OK.  Please let me know.
[14:27] <rgreening> will do shortly...
[14:27]  * asac wonders if there is a certain AP that somehow causes knetworkmanager to choke
[14:27] <ScottK> asac: I do see them (and connect) with the nm-applet
[14:28] <asac> ok and switching back to knetworkmanager triggers the same symptoms?
[14:28]  * ScottK tries
[14:30] <apachelogger> lex79: when you commit to bzr, please just invoke debcommit, makes up way more useful messages :P
[14:31] <apachelogger> lex79: and if you feel like it, you can use uploaders to use debcommit -R -r, which will also createa useful message + add a tag :D
[14:31] <ScottK> asac: It sees it now, but I still can't connect.  I click on the network to connect and nothing happens.
[14:32] <asac> thats the symptom we had before
[14:32] <ScottK> I'm going to reboot to make sure it couldn't see it due to something being cached
[14:32] <asac> i will verify the packages in archive after lunch
[14:32] <rgreening> ScottK: those were the symptoms I was having all along
[14:32] <asac> ScottK: you could do a killall NetworkManager and run NetworkManager --no-daemon
[14:32] <asac> then wait till the output has stopped and start knetworkmanager
[14:32] <rgreening> asac: check to see if the patches applied (missing quilt is a possibility)
[14:33] <ScottK> asac: I'll remember that.  I hit reboot already.
[14:33] <asac> hehe
[14:33] <Riddell> ScottK: that's the bug I have
[14:33] <asac> ScottK: yeah. some messages go to console ... especially those about bad config elements sent to NM
[14:33] <asac> so you will only see that in --no-daemon mode
[14:33] <ScottK> ok
[14:33] <ScottK> fortunately rebooting is much faster now
[14:33] <asac> hehe
[14:33] <asac> not for me ;)
[14:34] <asac> it hangs for ages probing for a non existing fd0 ;)
[14:34] <ScottK> lovely
[14:34] <asac> i should file a bug as this seems to not go away ;)
[14:35] <ScottK> It saw it after reboot.
[14:35] <ScottK> It must have been some weirdness due to me switching from /etc/networking/interfaces
[14:35] <asac> Riddell: your patch is really not applied ;)
[14:35] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30229437/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.3.0-0ubuntu6_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[14:36] <asac> search for tu_92_networkmanager_branch.diff
[14:36] <asac> its only in the changelog ;)
[14:36] <ScottK> That'll do it.
[14:36] <asac> yeah
[14:36] <asac> i am sure. its the same symptom we (supposely) fixed
[14:37] <ScottK> Yep, not in the series file
[14:37] <davmor2> asac, Riddell: Bugger I need to install first I forgot about my crappy broadcom wifi in my laptop, to used the atheros in my netbook
[14:37] <ScottK> Not there at all actually.
[14:38] <Riddell> asac: !
[14:38] <asac> hehe
[14:38] <asac> so i guess thats the reason
[14:38] <asac> ok off for lunch
[14:39] <asac> tomorrow i will take a swap day so talk to you on weekend or monday
[14:39] <davmor2> asac: I'll leave you a note on what worked
[14:39] <asac> davmor2: yeah. but wait for the patch to actually land ;)
[14:39] <asac> without that it doesnt make much sense
[14:39] <asac> wired will work
[14:39] <asac> but wifi not
[14:39] <asac> (i guess)
[14:41] <ScottK> I'm gonna toss it into my ppa and see
[14:41] <yuriy> so what's all this work going on with knetworkmanager? because it seems entirely nonfunctional to me
[14:41] <ScottK> The patch was in bzr
[14:41] <ScottK> yuriy: missing patch in kdebase-workspace.  Just figured it out
[14:41] <Riddell> sorry all, my afault
[14:42] <Riddell> fix committed, will upload after testing
[14:42] <asac> A fault ... like a class A failure ?;)
[14:42] <asac> ok just kidding
[14:42]  * asac out
[14:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Was there more fixing needed than what was in bzr already?
[14:44] <Riddell> leaves the mystery of how it worked for davmor2
[14:44] <Riddell> ScottK: no just that patch added to debian/patches/series
[14:44] <davmor2> Riddell: wired
[14:44] <Riddell> ah
[14:45] <yuriy> doesn't really work for me on wired. sure i have a connection, but the applet doesn't actually do anything
[14:45] <ScottK> If you got a connection, it did do something
[14:47] <yuriy> it lists all my network devices in the menu, some twice, with no useful information, clicking them doesn't do anything, and there is nothing listed in the manual configuration screen
[14:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 358659 ... opinions about 1.?
[14:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: I tend to think that a maximum of content should be targeted everytime, and hiding the tabbar unless there are tabs seems like a sensible way to archive this
[14:48] <yuriy> and no close buttons on tabs
[14:49] <ScottK> I like close buttons on tabs
[14:49] <apachelogger> +1
[14:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think that both of those requests are enough opinion that will vary that we should not deviate from upstream.
[14:49] <apachelogger> ok
[14:50] <ScottK> Any answer other than "we get it from upstream this way" is just one set of prefs over another.
[14:50] <ScottK> So the bug needs upstreaming and should be answered there
[14:51] <ScottK> agateau: The quassel devs are interested in indicator integration.  You might give Sput a ping when you have a moment.
[14:51] <davmor2> Riddell: the desktop is very clicky you get a click before any sound plays and then a click shortly after it has played
[14:51] <agateau> ScottK: great!
[14:51] <Riddell> davmor2: blame sound people :)
[14:52] <agateau> ScottK: but this will probably have to wait a bit: I can't work on Quassel this week, and I am off next week
[14:52] <agateau> but it's in my plans to add support for indicators to Quassel
[14:53] <ScottK> agateau: Yes, but if upstream didn't want it, then I'd have been grumpy about us having a diff to maintain, so this is good.
[14:54] <agateau> ScottK: true, we don't want you to be grumpy :)
[14:58] <ScottK> Someone should talk to ZaReason and let them know we'll have a special netbook edition.
[15:01] <apachelogger> +1
[15:06] <apachelogger> smarter: ping ping ping
[15:06] <smarter> pong³
[15:06] <smarter> (and hi)
[15:07] <apachelogger> didn't you write some khtml-adblock-enhancement-patch or something?
[15:08] <smarter> at some point I tried to prevent it from going wild when presented with some lines
[15:08] <smarter> but it didn't work :p
[15:09] <smarter> what are you looking at?
[15:09] <apachelogger> bug 372379
[15:09] <apachelogger> but now I found fancy shit
[15:09] <apachelogger> http://tfischernet.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/automatic-adblock-filter-list-updates-in-konqueror/
[15:09] <smarter> ooh
[15:09] <smarter> fancy indeed
[15:11] <smarter> we probably can safely apply that(and poke upstream to apply it)
[15:12] <apachelogger> hm, the fact that the khtml code is using so many indents makes me question it's speed
[15:12] <apachelogger> anyway
[15:12] <apachelogger> we need to ambush dfaure
[15:13] <apachelogger> smarter: you lure him in here, then ScottK and moi can throw patches at him
[15:13] <smarter> heh :p
[15:13] <smarter> what patches?
[15:13] <apachelogger> then hopefully he applies em all before short term memory loss from the thrown patches appears
[15:14] <davmor2> Riddell: there's an issue here for pitti when he gets back :)
[15:14] <apachelogger> the ultimate crime
[15:14] <apachelogger> muhahahaa
[15:14] <apachelogger> smarter: the ones for that filter crap
[15:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: Just catch Riddell when he's tired and get him to apply them.
[15:14] <davmor2> Riddell: Jockey on live cd see's my broadcom wifi and nvidia gfx.  But the installed system doesn't
[15:15] <apachelogger> disclaimer: Riddell is mostly tired and thus mostly happily applies patches and sponsors uploads, not always though
[15:16] <smarter> bbl
[15:16] <Riddell> and I still can't work out how to do a backport :(
[15:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: applying it is not the problem, I just don't want the konqueror dudes coming down on us like a ton of bricks
[15:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: tried --help?
[15:16]  * apachelogger doesn't like new stuff that is not documented
[15:16] <Riddell> I think it's broken
[15:16]  * ScottK thought apachelogger specialized in new stuff that is not documented
[15:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: so undocumented and broken?
[15:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe we should just do a manual backport?
[15:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, so it can become old and documented ... ohloh sez my sources are among the best documented ones :D
[15:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you planning on respinning for the kdebase-workspace fix?
[15:18] <Riddell> ScottK: no too late
[15:19] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I was just suprised you uploaded it.
[15:19] <Riddell> well it's there for people once they've installed (and found a way to get on the network)
[15:21] <ScottK> OK
[15:21] <ScottK> We need more netbook testers please.
[15:21] <ryanakca> ScottK: I can test in virtualbox, but I don't own a netbook
[15:22] <ScottK> ryanakca: Sounds good.
[15:22] <ScottK> davmor2: Can you do any Kubuntu Netbook?
[15:23] <ryanakca> ScottK: Just put up a list of things you want tested and I'll get to it
[15:24]  * apachelogger falls off his chair because of lunchpad's incredible speed
[15:24] <ScottK> ryanakca: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/2875 <- Anything with None is needed.
[15:25] <apachelogger> I am wondering, why would we need install tests?
[15:25] <apachelogger> I mean, for the netbook in specific
[15:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: Making sure all the screens fit for one.
[15:26] <apachelogger> but do we need each install type for that?
[15:27] <ScottK> Yes.  Different screens
[15:27] <ryanakca> ScottK: first things first. Where's the Ubiquity icon to install it?
[15:27] <ScottK> Maybe not all of them each milestone
[15:27] <ScottK> Crap.  I thought we fixed that.
[15:27] <apachelogger> I did too
[15:27] <ScottK> Right, it wouldn't be there on plasma-netbook.
[15:27] <apachelogger> right
[15:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: known bug, click binocular icon and search for install
[15:27] <apachelogger> all the fixing for nothing
[15:27] <apachelogger> muahaha
[15:29] <ScottK> We really need someone with Windows to try Wubi with netbook.  It didn't work at all in Alpha 3 and has allegedly been fixed.
[15:30] <ryanakca> Also, another thing. How do I switch between windows? The two cascaded windows icon in the top left corner leads me to believe that it should do something, let me pick an application, but clicking on it leads nowheres.
[15:30] <ScottK> ryanakca: alt-tab works
[15:31] <ryanakca> I'll move to -netbook
[15:34] <maco> ok. i haz kde svn access now
[15:34] <Riddell> yay for maco!
[15:34] <ScottK> Kewl
[15:35]  * apachelogger thinks that maco could push the ad block patches :P
[15:43] <Nightrose> yay maco - congrats!
[15:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did we get a course of action on bug 91724
[15:50]  * Nightrose looks
[15:52] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hmm why is win+c not working?
[15:53]  * Nightrose doesn't understand from the messy bugreport
[15:53]  * apachelogger doesn't either
[15:53] <apachelogger> might not be set upstream at all?
[15:54]  * Nightrose can't find out as she's not at home and doesn't have a current amarok there either
[15:54] <ScottK> PPA version of the workspace changes is installing here now.
[15:54] <Nightrose> can you ask in dev?
[15:54] <maco> is there a way i could set it up so that my keyboards "Pause/Break" button acts as pause in Amarok, even when Amarok's not focused?
[15:55] <Nightrose> maco: yes set them in shortcuts dialog as global shortcuts
[15:56] <freeflying> ScottK: I'm downloading kubuntu-netbook, will give you feedback later
[15:58] <maco> Nightrose: ok. and thats in keyboard, not input actions..
[15:58] <Nightrose> you can access it from within amarok
[15:58] <Nightrose> it's in one of the last menus
[15:59]  * Nightrose goes back to QTreeView fighting
[15:59] <ScottK> freeflying: Great.  It's still a bit rough, but one can begin to get the idea.
[15:59] <ScottK> Still no knetworkmanager love here.
[16:01] <freeflying> ScottK: its been ported to kde4?
[16:02] <maco> freeflying: yeah and then nm 0.8 broke it and then asac fixed it
[16:04] <asac> ScottK: so you say workspace didnt fix it?
[16:06] <ScottK> asac: No.
[16:07] <ScottK> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/252572/
[16:07] <ScottK> freeflying: Yes, it's KDE4, but not working so well at the moment.
[16:07] <ScottK> At least not with bcmwl
[16:08] <ScottK> asac: That's the spew from NetworkManager --no-daemon
[16:08] <asac> ScottK: so maybe the knetworkmanager patch wasnt applied either?
[16:08]  * ScottK looks
[16:08] <asac> those messages are exactly the symptom i fixed ;)
[16:08] <asac> e.g. uuid bustage
[16:10] <ScottK> LP is slow to give me the build log.
[16:13] <ScottK> asac: Build log says the patch was applied
[16:13] <ScottK> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30273312/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.3.0-0ubuntu7%7Eppa1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[16:13] <davmor2> ScottKI can now I'm back but it wont be for a minute or two
[16:14]  * ScottK installed and then rebooted to be sure he was using the new package.
[16:16] <asac> ScottK: so _with_ the workspace update you need the latest trunk for knetworkmanager as well
[16:16] <ScottK> btw, for those of you having bluetooth troubles with kdebluetooth, blueman is a Gnome applet and drags a huge amount of stuff in, but actually works.
[16:17] <ScottK> asac: Where's that?
[16:17] <asac> svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager/
[16:17] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ I suppose you ought to go ahead and upload that for the same reason you did -workspace.
[16:17] <ScottK> asac: Not packaged yet?
[16:18] <asac> ScottK: i dont know. i thought riddells upload would bump both to latest
[16:18] <asac> but apparently not ;)
[16:18] <ScottK> OK.
[16:18]  * ScottK waits for Riddell to solve it then.
[16:18] <ScottK> Back to $WORK.
[16:19] <asac> i will check in a few minutes
[16:19] <asac> just need to get the laptop
[16:21] <Riddell> I added the uuid patch to plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[16:22] <davmor2> ScottK: gnome-bluetooth is better still but probably pulls even more in
[16:28] <asac> Riddell: the patch alone wasnt enough if you bumped the workspace. anyway. i will check that after taking a quick break
[16:35] <ryanakca> Is the installer KDE3 or 4?
[16:36] <Riddell> it's kDE 4
[16:38] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok, *files a bug*, it appears as KDE3 in krunner
[16:39] <Riddell> ryanakca: huh?  how?
[16:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kne-kde3.png
[16:42] <apachelogger> lol
[16:43]  * apachelogger updates his ubiquity branch
[16:43] <Riddell> hum, where does that come from?
[16:44] <apachelogger> 50 bucks that the desktop file is in applications/kde3/
[16:44] <apachelogger> ubiquity-frontend-kde: /usr/share/applications/kde/ubiquity-kdeui.desktop
[16:45] <apachelogger> apparently krunner is much more inteligent than one would imagine
[16:46] <apachelogger> ryanakca: did you already file a bug?
[16:49] <apachelogger> ...
[16:50] <apachelogger> I got a fix ready for bzr ci, just need to know if it should fix a BR :S
[16:50] <bmunger> i filed a bug  8 days ago and it hasnt been looked at yet
[16:50] <ryanakca> apachelogger: no, not filed yet
[16:50] <apachelogger> ok
[16:50]  * apachelogger commits
[16:50] <ryanakca> apachelogger: ok, I'll pass on the bug
[16:51] <apachelogger> bmunger: sure it has, otherwise it wasnt invalid
[16:51] <bmunger> but it hasnt been touched
[16:52] <yuriy> lol @ ubottu
[16:54] <bmunger> Bug #409492
[16:54] <apachelogger> pfff, ubottu gets all the credit, even though only by me it became fun :S
[16:58] <apachelogger> good thing I am not in ubuntu-installer
[16:58] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:58] <apachelogger> abomination
[16:58] <ScottK> bmunger: It works here
[16:58] <apachelogger> eventually I should just upload post-freeze and screw up their bzr log
[16:58] <apachelogger> muahaha
[17:01] <ghostcube> hello peoples
[17:01] <bmunger> ScottK, yes other people say it works too, but why does it not work on two different machines fully updated?
[17:01] <ryanakca> Should by bugs be 'affects ubuntu/ubiquity' or 'affects ubuntu/ubiquity-frontend-kde' when testing ISOs?
[17:01] <ryanakca> s/by/my/
[17:02] <bmunger> ScottK, i use it all the tiem on my kubuntu 9.04 system
[17:06] <lex79> apachelogger: I have to use debcommit -R -r instead bzr commit -m "bla bla bla" ?
[17:06] <apachelogger> lex79: no debcommit
[17:06] <apachelogger> the uploader has to issue debcommit -R -r
[17:07] <ryanakca> Riddell: Is the fixing of bug 148715 a regression?
[17:07] <apachelogger> lex79: -R -r will use "releasing 0.2.3-0ubuntu1" as commit message and create a tag for that version,  in case you want to remember that until you are motu ;-)
[17:07] <ScottK> bmunger: No idea.
[17:08] <ryanakca> Surprising how long testing a single iso image can take...
[17:09] <ScottK> bmunger: If I were you I'd suggest running akrogator from a konsole window and see if it spits any interesting error messages
[17:10] <apachelogger> my guess would be on wrong network status information which makes akregator not even try
[17:12] <asac> ScottK: did you put the workspace patch-applied package somewhere?
[17:12] <lex79> apachelogger: ah ok I'll remember :)
[17:13] <ScottK> asac: In my PPA.
[17:13] <ScottK> ~kitterman
[17:15] <lex79> ScottK: did you upload soprano-backend-sesame ?
[17:15] <ScottK> lex79: I did not.
[17:15] <lex79> ok
[17:15] <ScottK> I got stopped by the archive mess up that Riddell has since fixed.
[17:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: it should get sorted out with the slideshow stuff
[17:17] <lex79> yes, I read now...source in multiverse and binary in universe :)
[17:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: So I can pass on the bug report?
[17:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: add a comment saying it's pending the slideshow I guess
[17:20] <Mamarok> seele: Happy Birthday! *hugs* and *kisses*
[17:20] <seele> Mamarok: yaay! thanks!
[17:21] <bmunger> ScottK, it doesn't.  i have tried that as well
[17:21] <Mamarok> seele: you share a birthday with a friend of mine from ubuntu-ops, Myrtti
[17:22] <apachelogger> I don't get bug 351874
[17:22] <apachelogger> isn't the gtkrc set via an env var?
[17:22] <apachelogger> if so, shouldn't this be preserved by kdesudo?
[17:23] <bmunger> it happens to me too
[17:23] <Riddell> it may well clean out the environment variables
[17:23] <apachelogger> hm
[17:23] <apachelogger> then IMHO kdesudo should probably preserve that one :D
[17:23] <asac> ok confirmed that knetworkmanager archive + workspace from kitterman doesnt work ... but thats expected
[17:24] <asac> let me build a fresh trunk without any hacks inside for nm
[17:24] <asac> (my hacked tree worked with kitterman workspace)
[17:25] <bmunger> ScottK, this is the messages it outputs but it doesnt seem like an error http://paste.ubuntu.com/252605/
[17:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: I suppose either kdesudo preservs that particular env var, or we patch kapplication to set it, which obsoletes the startkde stuff all together
[17:27] <ScottK> JFTR, the -worspace in my PPA should be what Riddell uploaded, but with a less pretty changelog
[17:27] <ScottK> bmunger: Yes.  All normal
[17:28] <asac> ScottK: ok so just add the trunk diff to the knetworkmanger package from the revision currently used to latest trunk commit
[17:28] <asac> i would suggest to do a new orig.tar.gz with the snapshot info inside though
[17:28] <asac> but if kubuntu usually adds patches thats your way ;)
[17:29] <ScottK> For an svn snapshot, that's what we'd to
[17:29] <ScottK> to/do
[17:29] <ScottK> For the released -workspace a patch is more usual.
[17:29] <asac> ScottK: you mean add patch or use a 4.3.0+svnXXXX orig?
[17:30] <asac> ok
[17:30] <ScottK> Will do in a bit.  Doing $WORK right now.
[17:33] <apachelogger> what do we think about bug 262924
[17:43] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't know if you caught it in the backscroll, but I did hit a 'works in firefox, but not arora' site last night.  It was the bulk picture uploader (flash based) at snapfish.com.
[17:45] <Riddell> logging into revu is similarly broken for me
[17:58] <lex79> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-runner-amarok
[17:58] <apachelogger> amok
[18:00] <apachelogger> lex79: did I revu that already?
[18:00] <lex79> yes
[18:00] <apachelogger> what did I complain about?
[18:00]  * apachelogger should add comments :D
[18:01] <apachelogger> bug #349165
[18:02] <lex79> well, the problem was .hg directory, it disappears in this version (0.6)
[18:02] <apachelogger> anything else?
[18:02] <apachelogger> anyway
[18:02] <apachelogger> looks good now
[18:02] <lex79> I added amarok to depends
[18:02] <apachelogger> someone please find out why the send comment button of revu looks like crap in konqueror
[18:03] <apachelogger> pretty pretty please
[18:04] <lex79> btw, I uploaded to LP a new version of rekonq :)
[18:04] <lex79> launchpad bug 413169
[18:09]  * apachelogger doesn't wanna revu updates outside of revu
[18:09] <apachelogger> too much of a PITA
[18:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: suggestions on how to get rid of the battery applet on PCs?
[18:34]  * apachelogger finds it rather stupid having it sit in the panel and waste space until poor user removes it manually
[18:40] <apachelogger> I am just wondering when kopete will support emotes from icon theme
[18:40]  * apachelogger thinks he has a package somewhere which makes the emotes from oxygen go with the scheme kopete uses
[18:42] <apachelogger> or maybe not anymore
[18:42] <apachelogger> gotta go
[19:06] <tester_> ScottK: Hello just testing quassel
[19:06] <ScottK> Hello tester_
[19:06] <tester_> my god the text is monsterous
[19:06] <ScottK> Needs a new setting
[19:07] <ScottK> Due to the just landed styling changes.
[19:07] <ScottK> You can fix that in the setting menu
[19:08] <davmor2> ScottK: the text around quassel is fine it's just in the main text window it's bloody huge.  The name and input text feels right for the size of display
[19:08] <ScottK> Yep.  That's the exact one I noticed too
[19:09] <ScottK> Sput: ^^^ Is that something you'll fix?
[19:10] <Sput> ScottK: I think the default stylesheet shouldn't set the point size of the font, and maybe even not specify a font at all (in which case the default app font would be used)
[19:10] <ScottK> OK
[19:10] <Sput> does that sound like it makes sense?
[19:10] <ScottK> Yes
[19:10] <Sput> we're currently setting the font to Monospace and the size to I believe 10pt
[19:11] <Sput> but yeah, I think that should go.
[19:13] <davmor2> Sput, ScottK: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/quassel.png I think
[19:13] <Sput> fixed.
[19:14] <Sput> just curious, what is your standard font size?
[19:14] <Sput> just because 10pt shouldn't be *that* large on a normal setup :)
[19:15] <ScottK> Sput: It even says 7 point when you open the preference window (and setting it to 7 again makes it smaller)
[19:16] <tester_> hello
[19:16] <Sput> ScottK: yeah, the settings dialog starts with your default font, not with the one that was set in the stylesheet (yet another reason to get rid of that setting)
[19:18] <ScottK> Sput: So why is that section the only part sized differently?
[19:19] <davmor2> ScottK: take a look at krandr taskbar open it up and note the tiniest rectangle in the world to display :)
[19:19] <Sput> ScottK: because the default stylesheet said ChatLine { font: 10pt Monospace } :)
[19:19] <Sput> I fixed it now
[19:19] <ScottK> Sput: Cool.
[19:20] <Sput> just removing this should make Quassel use your default system font
[19:20] <ScottK> davmor2: So that one's fix committed upstream.
[19:21] <ScottK> davmor2: krandrtray seems normal here
[19:22] <ScottK> Riddell: I put https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/NetbookPlasma to be linked from the Alpha 4 release notes.
[19:22] <davmor2> ScottK: it works fine it just had a tiny display.  Once I made it full screen and split the display 50 50 it looks okay now
[19:24] <davmor2> I'm on about the lvds1 green box in the right hand portion of the window by the way which is now clearer after enlarging it
[19:26] <ScottK> Oh.  I see that
[19:29] <davmor2> ScottK: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/krandr.png
[19:29] <davmor2> if you then open it full screen and split the bottom window 50-50 it's then usable
[19:29] <ScottK> davmor2: Tried it again and got the same.  Please file a bug.
[19:29] <ScottK> With the screenshot
[19:30] <davmor2> ScottK: np's
[19:30] <txwikinger_work> ScottK: I will look at the ichthux stuff on the weekend if that is ok
[19:31] <ScottK> txwikinger_work: Great
[19:31]  * txwikinger_work is busy building 250 IBM blades
[19:31] <txwikinger_work> nice pieces of equipment... 96GB of RAM
[19:36] <ScottK> I need to get back to $WORK, but https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha4/Kubuntu still has a bunch of Alpha 3 references.  Someone perhaps could go over it.
[19:41] <ScottK> Riddell: It'd probably be handy to add something in there about agateau's notification unification work.
[19:47] <davmor2> ScottK: most other things seem to be okay-ish.  I've made out a bug for krandr and added the 2 screenshots before and after for comparison
[19:47] <ScottK> davmor2: Great.
[19:48] <ScottK> Upstream has already said they plan to use our bugs as a work list for plasma-netbook
[19:49] <davmor2> ScottK: Oh well in that case I'll have a proper look over the weekend for you :)
[19:50] <ScottK> davmor2: Reading some of the link in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/NetbookPlasma would probably help make sure you understand where it's headed and what needs bugs filed.
[19:50] <davmor2> ScottK: on the newspaper screen what is the big black rectangle it doesn't seem to do anything
[19:51] <ScottK> davmor2: rss reader
[19:51] <davmor2> ScottK: I'll have a read through that then.
[19:51] <ScottK> davmor2: It'd be handy to know if wubi installation at least works now.
[19:53] <davmor2> doesn't on anything else we think it might be grub2 that is the cause.  It installs the windows part but when you reboot you can't get past grub without the system rebooting
[19:53] <ScottK> Right, but before on KNE we couldn't even do the windows part.
[19:54] <ScottK> Up to no more broken than anything else would be progress
[19:55] <davmor2> I'll let you know.  I had a linux netbook and to install windows on it takes a while :( so I won't be doing it today
[19:58] <a|wen> ScottK: the alpha 4 page has been cleaned up a bit
[19:58] <ScottK> a|wen: Excellent
[19:59] <ScottK> davmor2: I think a wubi install of the netbook iso on any windows is an adequate test.  Doesn't have to be on an actual netbook
[20:03] <davmor2> ScottK: that I can do in no time :)
[20:03] <ScottK> Excellent
[20:05] <davmor2> 10 minutes to get xp on my test box + install time get back to you in about 20 minutes give or take
[20:17] <nixternal> shtylman: wow dude, ubiquity looks hot
[21:01] <a|wen> uhh... updating my KNE removes kde3 libs
[21:19] <Quintasan> hmm, what does akonadi microblog resource does?
[21:20] <yuriy> presumably stores data for microblogging?
[21:58] <a|wen> two greatly missing features in KNE; seeing which applications is open... and shutting down / logging out?!
[22:01] <apachelogger> sounds about right
[22:04]  * a|wen thought he was going crazy and is greatly relieved
[22:05] <DaskreeCH> You had already left crazy?
[22:09] <micmord> a|wen: i filed two bug reports in plasma-netbook about missing features
[22:11] <a|wen> DaskreeCH: well luckily ctrl+alt+f1 worked to issue "sudo poweroff" ;)
[22:11] <a|wen> micmord: great ... hopefully very high on the list already
[22:11] <DaskreeCH> :-)
[22:25] <ScottK> a|wen: Touching the power button brings up the logout/shutdown dialogue.  Still needs more work though
[22:27] <a|wen> ScottK: ahh, i'll remember that ... looks pretty slick though; we are definitely going in the right direction
[22:28] <ScottK> a|wen: If you have some coding time, upstream is very interested in contributions.
[22:28]  * a|wen waves his totally non-existing C++ skills :/
[22:30] <DaskreeCH> Oy! There are laws against doing that in public!
[22:30] <a|wen> ScottK: another thing ... we should look into default font settings for gtk-apps like openoffice (do we know if that is possible?)
[22:31] <ScottK> Dunno.  Good idea.
[22:34] <a|wen> DaskreeCH: oh no, not laws; has been a bad day for that :/ ...  his governmen is kicking hunted people home to almost certain death (cause so is the law, they say), and people demonstrating against it is being run-over by the police :(
[22:36] <DaskreeCH> Governemnt andlaw sometimes have very little to do with each other
[22:37] <a|wen> very true
[22:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: Different *rc files for plasma-netbook than plasma-desktop so it's probably a KNDS issue to provide the battery widget hint.
[22:46] <a|wen> apachelogger: regarding the battery-widget on desktops ... possible to run a kconf-update (or the like) on first start of KDE using the output from laptop-detect
[22:52] <apachelogger> a|wen: that sounds sensible I suppose, fancy implementing it? :)
[22:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes, but, now, but yes, for plasma-netbook the rc would be much more complex, also generally the shell itself should load the battery widget
[22:53] <apachelogger> that is what plasma-desktop does by default
[22:53] <ScottK> True
[22:53] <a|wen> apachelogger: sure, i can look at it ... any fancy kconf scripts to use as inspiration?
[22:58] <apachelogger> a|wen: I think we have one in python for the kwin settings removal
[22:58] <apachelogger> a|wen: otherwise you could use anything in the konf_update folder as inspiration
[22:58] <apachelogger> I suppose you just need to pass the file through the script and add an appropriate section if device is laptop
[23:00] <a|wen> or if we have it in the default file ... remove it if it is not a laptop
[23:00] <a|wen> but thx ... i'll give it a go
[23:03] <DaskreeCH> Does it make sense to package http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/containments/ ?
[23:30] <Riddell> revu wanted http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/zanshin
[23:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: ./src/kdateedit.cpp: LGPL (v2 or later)
[23:32] <apachelogger> ./src/kdatepickerpopup.cpp: LGPL (v2 or later)
[23:32] <apachelogger> otherwise good
[23:33] <Riddell> drat and blast
[23:34] <apachelogger> Mario Bensi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>also claims copyright on quite some files ... besides the two from above having more copyright holders than ervin
[23:37] <Riddell> do we care about the new new machine readable copyright format?
[23:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: not really, though I find it easier to read
[23:39] <apachelogger> also by humans
[23:39] <apachelogger> default copyright got a quite crappy formatting
[23:43] <nellery> Riddell: I see a missing copyright for 2008-2009 Mario Bensi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:50] <Riddell> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/zanshin updated
[23:50] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/karmic-alpha-4 published
[23:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: complete copy of the lgpl missing + it should be License: GPL-2 | GPL-3 + underneath you need a licnese text
[23:53] <apachelogger> see http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat#StandaloneLicenseSection
[23:54] <apachelogger> license text can be
[23:54] <apachelogger> http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat#StandaloneLicenseSection
[23:54] <apachelogger> eh
[23:54] <apachelogger>  On Debian systems the full text of the GNU General Public License can be found
[23:54] <apachelogger>  in the `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL' file.
[23:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: "NOTE: THIS PAGE IS NOT CURRENT"
[23:57] <Riddell> NOTE: THIS PAGE IS NOT CURRENT uses "or" not "|"
[23:57] <nellery> Riddell: zanshin-0.1+svn1006410/src/actionduedatedelegate.*:   Copyright 2008 Thomas Thrainer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:57] <nellery> missing too
[23:57] <Riddell> nellery: you don't need to list every copyright holder
[23:58] <nellery> ok


[18:23] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:57] <Atamira> morning
[18:57] <Atamira> and merry xmas eve to you
[18:58] <ajmitch> morning
[18:58]  * ajmitch hopes we can all stay away from our computers tomorrow :)
[18:58] <ibeardslee> and a happy winter solstice celebration celebrated in our summer to you
[18:59] <ibeardslee> ajmitch: but surely your'll be twittering the opening of pressies etc?
[19:00]  * Atamira has to work tonight :(
[19:00]  * Atamira is going to sleep through xmas lunches
[19:00] <ibeardslee> probably the best thing
[19:01] <ibeardslee> just too much eating that goes on at this time of the year
[19:01] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: I'm not a twit
[19:01] <ibeardslee> fartbooking?
[19:03] <Atamira> nothing wrong with fartbooking :P
[19:03] <Atamira> its the only way to keep track of fellow workers..hehe
[19:07] <ajmitch> yay for wind & rain today, after so many nice days
[19:09] <Atamira> yay for nice days
[19:09] <Atamira> after wind & rain for so many days


[06:32] <slangasek> candidate ISOs posted for alpha-4
[06:33] <slangasek> stgraber: could you trim mythbuntu alternate off the tracker?  It's no longer built, with no intention by the mythbuntu team of bringing it back
[08:28] <ara> morning davmor2
[08:28] <davmor2> morning ara hows things going in Berlin?
[08:29] <ara> davmor2: good, good so far :)
[08:31] <davmor2> cool :)
[13:12] <stgraber> slangasek: ok, I'll add that to my list. What was that other request you had ? I remember it was renaming something to Ubuntu Netbook Remix, which one was that ?
[13:12] <slangasek> stgraber: I think it's UMPC needs renamed to UNR
[13:12] <slangasek> yes
[13:33] <davmor2> slangasek: ignore the red bug from kagou it's an annoyance more than anything else I wouldn't of said it was show stopping.  I think it would be if it was the same by alpha 5
[13:41] <slangasek> davmor2: what bug is that?
[13:42] <davmor2> bug 324807 it's my green bug on the other installs
[13:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 324807 in gnome-utils "Jaunty: Ubutnu now has both gnome volume and pulse sound on the panel" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324807
[14:16] <davmor2> cr3: are you in a position to run an alt install test at all?
[14:17] <davmor2> ara: ^
[14:26] <cr3> davmor2: I could, but probably not today
[14:26] <davmor2> cr3: it's okay now slangasek has confirmed it but thanks :)
[14:40] <davmor2> charlie-tca: hello
[14:41] <charlie-tca> Hello
[14:41] <charlie-tca> How's things today?
[14:42] <davmor2> busy :)
[14:43] <davmor2> I don't know about xubuntu I haven't got off Ubuntu yet
[14:56] <ara> davmor2: sorry, I was away
[14:56] <davmor2> ara: np's slangasek confirmed the issue so it's okay now ta :)
[15:10] <davmor2> charlie-tca: don't try testing wubi there is a new python version going in after a4 so it's not been updated
[15:12] <charlie-tca> Can't anyway. I don't have a copy of windows.
[15:14] <davmor2> :)
[15:21] <davmor2> schwuk: ping
[15:22] <schwuk> davmor2: whassup?
[15:22] <davmor2> did you get my email about the wiki and /!\ symbols
[15:45] <davmor2> schwuk: ^
[15:47] <schwuk> davmor2: fixed
[15:47] <davmor2> cool ta
[15:52]  * davmor2 moves onto Kubuntu
[16:03] <schwuk> davmor2: splitter
[16:04] <davmor2> Dave Murphy: Only cause I done the ubuntu desktop installs :P
[16:08] <davmor2> schwuk: while your there ask around and find out if anyone uses the landscape option on expert install would you ta :)
[19:21] <davmor2> stgraber: is it me or is the tracker on a go slow?
[19:25] <charlie-tca> It's not you, davmor2
[19:26] <davmor2> charlie-tca: mind you I think the whole of lp is too :(
[19:27] <charlie-tca> Not even close to the tracker slowdown. I can get 5-6 bugs to come up while waiting
[19:29] <davmor2> true :(
[19:50] <stgraber> davmor2: it's on the same box as brainstorm ... will be better once it's been moved to the QA box
[19:50] <davmor2> stgraber: Ah okay :)


 @mekschr [etcher.io should i use that for flashing ?], I use mkusb... IMHO it is the best
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb
 I already installed Lubuntu and I can't express how wonderful it is
 I also install Steam Proton to play my windows steam games and it has been a success, working with solid 60 FPS
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> i had a user looking for the broadcom driver offline method from liveusb, but he said he didnt find it on the lubuntu iso
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows more about that?
[10:36] <list> I don't know if wireless drivers are on lubuntu iso's, but if the person can access a computer with working internet then they can download the appropriate driver from here >> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl
[10:39] <diogenes_> he could use tethering to install the driver: https://wiki.debian.org/Android_Tethering
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> list: this guy had no ethernet port thats why
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> so i just wondered why broadcom drivers were not in /pool on the lubuntu iso
[11:20] <list> I thought he might not have access to ethernet, which is why I said  about accessing a computer with working internet....
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> list: im not here to argue mate, just wanted to know the deal about /pool
[11:28] <list> Me neither dude. Was justing pointing out where to download the drivers....
[17:51] <libri> difficult login in Quassel   :(
[19:49] <me1t> any idea why my lubuntu 18.04 install would not allow me to enable the Trash Can? http://prntscr.com/lw76il
[21:44] <lopta> Does the Lubuntu .iso image include memtest86+?
[22:22] <wxl> lopta: yes but not on efi boots
[22:22] <lopta> Thanks wxl
[22:26]  * lopta kicks off a Cosmic Cuttlefish download
[22:46] <lopta> Well that didn't take long! :-)
[22:54] <lopta> brb


[17:08] <Chex> hah, I knew it!!
[17:09] <Chex> Electronic Box main server room is in the same room as the MontrealOffice equipment!
[17:09] <Chex> they're stuff is 3 racks away from Canonicals
[17:09] <Chex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNS7zQzwkoM
[17:17] <cyphermox> Ahah
[17:18] <IdleOne> This is good or bad?
[17:19] <IdleOne> or just interesting
[18:42] <cyphermox> just interesting, IIRC we don't really have much if anything there anymore


[22:55] <Mac_Taylor> how do i search the logs?
[22:55] <Mac_Taylor> irc logs rather
[22:57] <aim1159> Mac_Taylor: google it?
[22:57] <aim1159> Mac_Taylor: htthttp://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[22:57] <Mac_Taylor> no search thorugh the logs
[23:02] <aim1159> Mac_Taylor: hm... really. some of the page indexed, but most of them - no. :(
[23:09] <nalioth> !log
[23:11] <Mac_Taylor> yeah is there a way to search them?
[23:11] <aim1159> nalioth: no. Mac_Taylor is asking about some search engine through the logs located on thos urs
[23:12] <aim1159> nalioth: it's really the problem.
[23:12] <Pici> Limit your google search to only those sites.
[23:12] <aim1159> Pici: it does not help
[23:13] <aim1159> for example - try to find my nickname using inurl google directive
[23:13] <[NikO]> try site:http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[23:13] <aim1159> aim1159 inurl:http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ does not help
[23:13] <aim1159> [NikO]: no results either
[23:14]  * Pici shrugs
[23:15]  * nalioth shrugs, too
[23:15] <Pici> I keep my own logs, so I don't need to use google for things like that.
[23:15] <[NikO]> open a launchpad bug about that :p
[23:46] <Mac_Taylor> @btlogin


[00:05] <jow_otro> Gardenia, hello !!!
[00:06] <gardenia> good day. can anybody help m. i want to know where is format painter in xubuntu? im making cells a lot. want to know how to make the same format
[00:07] <charlie-tca> What are using to make the cells?
[00:08] <charlie-tca> Usually you can just do a copy/paste to create more of something
[00:09] <gardenia> gnumeric
[00:09] <gardenia> im using gnumeric as spreadsheet
[00:10] <gardenia> i cant do copy paste because im making grades. I already have the names of students. I only want the cells to be formatted the same but not the names
[00:12] <charlie-tca> Then you highlight those cells, copy
[00:12] <charlie-tca> now to paste them, right-click, click on paste-special
[00:13] <charlie-tca> it will ask what you want to paste, and you check the things you want, like just format or formula
[00:13] <gardenia> il try right now. thanks charlie. be back when its ok.
[00:13] <charlie-tca> It took me a couple of tries to get it right
[00:15] <gardenia> it works. im so happy. thanks charlie.
[00:16] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[01:46] <Dare> How do I install xubuntu on an 4GB USB drive?
[01:46] <Dare> I tried PenDiveLinux but I want to make sure.
[01:47] <Dare> I'll be back in a sec if it didn't work.
[03:32] <yellowblue> fuck xubuntu
[03:33] <yellowblue> !ops
[03:34] <yellowblue> kline me =)
[05:07] <ismaelamezcua> hello
[05:08] <ismaelamezcua> i'm looking for an application to format usb drives on xfce
[05:10] <ismaelamezcua> i'll keep looking
[07:05] <TornadoXubuntu> Hello
[07:06] <TornadoXubuntu> please anyone can help me a bit here?
[07:18] <TornadoXubuntu> Actually, I am running (Xubuntu 10.10) with (Thunar File Manager 1.0.2). The problem i am facing is simply a huge delay of almost (35seconds) upon right clicking on the desktop or right clicking anywhere in the file system to access the ("Create Document") option. The whole system will freeze if i did not wait those 35 seconds. Please any ideas or suggestions to solve this issue are greatly appreciated.
[07:26] <TornadoXubuntu> what's the link of the Xubuntu support forum?
[07:28] <Graet|> http://www.xubuntu.org/help says google
[07:29] <TornadoXubuntu> You can find the official Xubuntu forums at ubuntuforums.org.
[07:29] <TornadoXubuntu> says the page you sent
[07:29] <TornadoXubuntu> am not able to find it on ubuntuforums.org
[07:30] <TornadoXubuntu> do you know any alternative for the Thunar File Manager under xubuntu
[07:30] <TornadoXubuntu> ?
[07:32] <Graet|> me? no
[07:40] <TornadoXubuntu> if you are interested in the answer: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2006/12/18/alternate-desktop-managers-kde-xfce-enlightenment-fluxbox-ubuntu-6061-610/
[07:40] <TornadoXubuntu> ;) Thanks Graet anyway
[08:18] <TornadoXubuntu> please how to set KDE Dolphin 1.5 as my default file manager under Xubuntu 10?
[08:18] <TornadoXubuntu> *10.10
[08:44] <TornadoXubuntu> Hello! PLease how to change the default file manager under Xubuntu 10.10 from Thunar 1.0.2 to KDE Dolphin 1.5?
[08:45] <TheSheep> !repeat
[09:05] <leoquant> tornado's tend to come and go fast
[09:06] <leoquant> !shelter
[09:09] <Sysi> in what package would globalmenu-applet be?
[09:09] <Sysi> it's gnome applet, i'd like to test with xfapplet
[09:12] <bazhang> !find globalmenu
[09:16] <Sysi> i could try gnome-applets..
[09:18] <Sysi> not there..
[09:26] <Sysi> indicator-appmenu
[13:53] <HozsiNekedTesoka> ikonia bryder:ED
[13:54] <HozsiNekedTesoka> OLA penguinfucker
[16:16] <GevatterTod> Hi all, I have a problem installing xubuntu on my 'samsung nb30'. Does anybody have time to help me out?
[16:17] <knome> !ask | GevatterTod
[16:17] <GevatterTod> i´ll try
[16:18] <GevatterTod> error msg: Problem w "configuration server" gconf-sanity-check-2 exited w status 256
[16:18] <GevatterTod> I tried with a solution from the web:
[16:18] <GevatterTod> chmod 777 /tmp
[16:19] <GevatterTod> then a fsck
[16:19] <GevatterTod> now i´m stuck after *setting sensors limits
[16:19] <GevatterTod> but I can use the console
[16:20] <GevatterTod> just don´t have a clue where to start
[16:20] <GevatterTod> if someone could point me in the direction, that would be great
[17:14] <WhaleDolphin> hi
[17:14] <JDogg420> anyone know how to chatng startup programs?
[17:14] <JDogg420> change
[17:14] <WhaleDolphin> I'm seeing "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs" when I try to bring up the latest kernel update from the debs
[17:15] <WhaleDolphin> I think its because I have a XFS root partition
[17:16] <JDogg420> anyone know how to change start up programs in xubuntu?
[17:17] <charlie-tca> depends on the program, but they should be in Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> sessions and startup
[17:19] <JDogg420> thanx i found it
[17:23] <NewbeeAustria> good evening, just one qestion: how can i transform natty to look like 10.10?
[17:24] <charlie-tca> change the themes in Appearance and Window Manager to bluebird
[17:24] <NewbeeAustria> i already set the theme to bluebird, but the panels etc. are different.
[17:24] <charlie-tca> did you change both themes?
[17:25] <NewbeeAustria> i think so, but let me have a look again
[17:25] <rtdos> what changes are in store for xubuntu 11.04? I know about the changes in Ubuntu 11.04 but what about Lubuntu 11.04?
[17:26] <charlie-tca> rtdos: As in #lubuntu about lubuntu, please
[17:27] <NewbeeAustria> charlie-tca: both are bluebird
[17:28] <charlie-tca> rtdos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview#Xubuntu
[17:28] <charlie-tca> NewbeeAustria: logout/login again?
[17:28] <charlie-tca> no
[17:29] <charlie-tca> change the theme in Appearance to something else, then back to bluebird
[17:29] <NewbeeAustria> thats how it looks like: http://postimage.org/image/369fpec9w/0da589d8/
[17:30] <charlie-tca> panels don't look grey to me there
[17:31] <NewbeeAustria> strange
[17:31] <charlie-tca> That is not the natty theme, it is the maverick theme
[17:31] <NewbeeAustria> its both set to "bluebird"
[17:32] <charlie-tca> and bluebird was the maverick theme
[17:32] <charlie-tca> as far as I recall
[17:34] <NewbeeAustria> the colors are not so important to me, i would simply like to have the 10.10 panels back
[17:39] <NewbeeAustria> i could install 10.10, backup my home folder, install 11 and exchange home folder, would that work?
[17:39] <JDogg420> hello i installed xubuntu besides a windows install but grub did not pick up my windows vista partition on sda1 but the bootloader was installed on sda1???
[17:40] <charlie-tca> Those panels are no longer valid in natty
[17:40] <charlie-tca> NewbeeAustria: too much has changed for that
[17:40] <NewbeeAustria> :-(
[17:41] <NewbeeAustria> those worked good on my netbook
[17:42] <NewbeeAustria> maybe i'll give debilian with xfce a try, installed already 6 distros last days here
[17:43] <NewbeeAustria> but first i'll try the thing with backup home folders
[17:43] <NewbeeAustria> thank you for your help, charlie-tca
[17:43] <charlie-tca> or just change the panels around some
[17:44] <NewbeeAustria> will try
[17:44] <NewbeeAustria> have a nice day
[18:00] <technikfreak> xubuntu 10.04 is rockng so good on my netbookj
[18:00] <technikfreak> thx
[18:00] <technikfreak> !!!
[18:00] <JDogg420> hello i installed xubuntu besides a windows install but grub did not pick up my windows vista partition on sda1 but the bootloader was installed on sda1???
[18:01] <JDogg420> need help
[18:05] <JDogg420> how to get flash support?
[18:46] <JDogg420> how to get compiz to autostart
[18:46] <JDogg420> right now i have to type this every time? compiz --replace ccp & disown
[18:53] <JDogg420> right now i have to type this every time? compiz --replace ccp & disown
[18:53] <JDogg420> how to get compiz to autostart
[22:55] <metroid1> what (if anything) are people using as a lightweight alternative to gwibber, for facebook?
[22:55] <mark76> There's an alternative to Gwibber? :/
[22:56] <metroid1> oh, maybe not.  i was hoping.
[22:56] <metroid1> there is pino and hotot but neither seem to stream facebook.
[23:00] <mark76> I thought Gwibber was a Twitter client?
[23:00] <charlie-tca> does pidgin work?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> It does have a facebook plugin you can add
[23:10] <metroid1> is it possible to run ubuntu one with thunar?
[23:14] <charlie-tca> yes, but not as easy as in ubuntu, since it was never intended to be used with thuar
[23:15] <charlie-tca> s/thuar/thunar
[23:15] <Juanantonio> Hello
[23:15] <charlie-tca> !hi
[23:19] <metroid1> charlie-tca: thanks.


[01:35] <Ukubuntu> Hello all I have a marketing idea but I am not sure if it has been pursued before. Distributing through a popular weekend newspaper.
[01:36] <adamant1988> Ukubuntu: You mean like a newspaper ad?
[01:37] <Ukubuntu> No not at all. The sunday newspapers add a cd every week for a film or software for ancestry.com.  Why not send out a CD of Ubuntu?
[01:39] <Ukubuntu> This way we gain the awarenes of ordinary people, those who don't buy PC magazines but cannot afford the leap to Vista, only want a system that is secure and does not fall over etc
[01:40] <Ukubuntu> The Live CD is not only a great intro, it is a rescue CD too, and the open software project too is still there for windows users
[01:41] <Ukubuntu> It would be best to be the i386 LiveCD in my mind, as this will appeal to the most users.
[01:46] <Ukubuntu> For Instance, take the UK, The Sunday Times is probably the paper where the readership has a reasonable intellect. If you sent out a CD, a month after launch of 7.04, just in case of major bloopers, then you would really stand to increase the number of new users and work on bug #1
[01:47] <adamant1988> Ukubuntu: I like that idea
[01:48] <adamant1988> They don't send them here, but that's something your LoCo team might be able to arrange
[01:49] <Ukubuntu> OK I will chat to the uk team. I think though it could be a global initiative, as we could produce lots of articles to encourage newspapers to make the promotion for free. I feel it could seel newspapers with Vista as it is
[01:50] <Ukubuntu> Though I heard MS is more concerned about Goole than Linux! what a twist!
[01:50] <Ukubuntu> Google
[01:51] <lotusleaf> who cares about MS
[01:51] <lotusleaf> FOSS is the future
[01:51] <lotusleaf> unless you're talking about MS the disease
[01:51] <Ukubuntu> I care enough not to alienate it's users before they understand the benefit of Linux
[01:51] <lotusleaf> :P
[01:53] <lotusleaf> No one said anything about the users, which is why my site has links to aid those users
[01:53] <Ukubuntu> :)
[01:53] <lotusleaf> regarding a magazine distributing an ubuntu cd, wouldn't it just be a matter of contacting said magazine and inquiring?
[01:53] <Ukubuntu> sorry, shot myself in the foot :$
[01:54] <adamant1988> Ukubuntu: Our papers here don't distribute CDs like that
[01:54] <adamant1988> unfortunately
[01:54] <Ukubuntu> I have already started ;)
[01:54] <lotusleaf> cool
[01:54] <lotusleaf> be sure to subscribe to the marketing mailing list
[01:54] <Ukubuntu> I tried the sunday telegraph and if no response plan to go onto the Times
[01:55] <Ukubuntu> Want to read what I wrote?
[01:55] <Ukubuntu> whats the pastebin link?
[01:55] <lotusleaf>  /msg ubotu !pastebin
[01:55] <Ukubuntu> thks
[01:56] <lotusleaf> np
[01:58] <Ukubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11925/
[01:59] <Ukubuntu> Thats an email I sent them. I hope it reads OK, comments welcome
[01:59] <Ukubuntu> you may need to wordwrap :)
[03:08] <Ukubuntu> anyway, got to go, but I will join the mailing list and if you want to mail me a comment, you can to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:09] <elcasey> I had a guy give an interesting reason for not using Linux or OSS on Thursday
[03:09] <elcasey> he said he "just didn't trust software from the internet...I want a brand name."
[03:10] <tonyyarusso> errr, "Ubuntu", and get it via ShipIT
[03:10] <elcasey> I'm not 100% sure how you make it plain to people that Linux/OSS firms are often for-profit companies and *are* profitable...but I think his comment went beyond the "hobbyist OS" complaint that seems standard
[03:10] <elcasey> i.e. he wanted to use Microsoft's network monitoring software, even though he admitted it was garbage
[03:10] <elcasey> but he didn't "trust" an OSS solution
[03:17] <adamant1988> elcasey: IMO the Ubuntu.com site now goes a long way towards doing that
[03:17] <adamant1988> However, since people aren't being actively ripped off by Canonical they don't recognize that it's even able to make money
[03:17] <elcasey> but i don't think people like that go out surfing for linux sites, you know?
[03:17] <adamant1988> elcasey: the point is you can direct them to it, the site is well done and professional
[03:17] <elcasey> the instructor is very pro-OSS, so I think we'll wear this guy down by the end of the semester ;)
[03:17] <tonyyarusso> elcasey: They do after they try to use their iPod on Vista
[03:17] <jenda> adamant1988: hahah, well put :)
[03:17] <elcasey> hehehe
[03:18] <elcasey> iTunes *still* doesn't work in Vista? Wow...
[03:18] <adamant1988> However, I think Canonical does need a way to take advantage of all the home users
[03:18] <adamant1988> I started a thread on the forums about a different kind of support model I want to suggest, but the forum interest was kind of low and the thread is on page 2
[03:19] <adamant1988> I think part of the challenge of marketing any linux distribution is you need to alter how people think
[03:19] <elcasey> good point
[03:19] <elcasey> and I'm still not convinced that Linux is ready for the average computard's desktop
[03:19] <adamant1988> I am, feisty is absolutely care free.
[03:20] <adamant1988> I only touch the CLI when I want too, this is Linux made easy
[03:20] <elcasey> i haven't used feisty yet
[03:20] <tonyyarusso> elcasey: keep in mind that all of the hard parts about Linux are equal or worse in non-OEM Windows
[03:20] <elcasey> how is retail Windows any different than an OEM version?
[03:20] <adamant1988> I think one thing Ubuntu really needs to do is start actively involving itself with OEMs.
[03:21] <elcasey> for *me*, I get frustrated now in Windows because CMD is a useless shell.
[03:21] <adamant1988> elcasey: retail windows has been set up to work on that hardware
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> elcasey: OEMs install all of the drivers and 3rd party apps
[03:21] <elcasey> but *everything* has a Windows driver
[03:21] <adamant1988> You try installing just vanilla windows on a system and see what you get.
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> Starting from scratch is a _serious_ PITA
[03:21] <elcasey> I've installed vanilla Windows on basically every computer I've had since 1992
[03:21] <elcasey> which is the last time I bought a machine built by anyone but me
[03:22] <adamant1988> I hated it, I had to put windows back on my lappy and in it's vanilla stage it was awful
[03:22] <elcasey> tonyyarusso: but yeah, if I didn't have my wifi drivers on cd, forget it
[03:22] <elcasey> but linux is the same...edgy doesn't support my wifi card out of the box (feisty does!)
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> elcasey: Yeah, pretty much.
[03:22] <adamant1988> Anyway, I think if we're marketing Ubuntu we need to try to alter the way people consider it
[03:22] <elcasey> my laptop works fine, it's an ipw2200
[03:23] <elcasey> but alas, they don't make PCI Centrino cards
[03:23] <adamant1988> Mine is BCM4318 :(
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> Mine's Intel PRO/Wireless 2915 a/b/g - works with ipw220
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> 0
[03:23] <adamant1988> Guys, perhaps we could take advantage of Youtube and other video sites to advertise Ubuntu?
[03:24] <elcasey> there's loads of stuff on there currently...but you have to look for it
[03:24] <adamant1988> There just has to be a way to get more exposure
[03:24] <adamant1988> I wish we could create some kind of an actual incentives program
[03:25] <elcasey> paid advertising is going to be a necessity
[03:25] <elcasey> but certainly not an easy one, and what markets and who and how?
[03:25] <adamant1988> Eh, word of mouth is typically just more effective in my experience
[03:25] <adamant1988> Paid adverts just kick-start the word of mouth
[03:26] <adamant1988> 1000 people see your ad, 900 of them will ignore it, the other 100 will get a little interested and tell people about the ad (as long as it's done properly)
[03:28] <elcasey> those ads still have to be placed
[03:28] <adamant1988> Oh they do, but that's not a concern at this moment, I don't figure.
[03:28] <adamant1988> I think Ubuntu needs to be actively targeting small business
[03:28] <elcasey> i wouldn't think so for this team, anyway...that's Canonical's issue
[03:28] <elcasey> agreed
[03:29] <elcasey> for work desktops, I think Linux is a smashing success
[03:29] <adamant1988> We're the marketing team, that's what we are supposed to think about
[03:29] <elcasey> just use the apps for work, play a little Gnometris if you want, but *don't jack around with it*
[03:29] <adamant1988> The home user likes to fiddle
[03:29] <elcasey> and break it, and cry, because they'll never be able to run 400 commands in the terminal xD
[03:29] <adamant1988> the point is that small businesses are more than 80% of the business in the United States.
[03:30] <elcasey> whoa, i almost got all capitalist for a second
[03:30] <adamant1988> So they're the big market to try to go after.
[03:30] <elcasey> i almost said, "But how to profit from Linux penetration?" o_0
[03:30] <adamant1988> lol
[03:30] <elcasey> it's because i haven't taken my drugs today, i'll bet :P
[03:30] <adamant1988> jenda: ping
[03:30] <elcasey> but yeah, i really do think Ubuntu is both ready and advantageous for/to small business desktops.
[03:31] <jenda> adamant1988: no way.
[03:31] <jenda> I'm asleep.
[03:31] <adamant1988> jenda: Sorry, I'll ask later then
[03:31] <jenda> :)
[03:31] <elcasey> a good groupware server is going to be imperative soon
[03:31] <jenda> is it quick?
[03:31] <elcasey> but for now, that has to be Exchange
[03:31] <adamant1988> jenda: Well, how would you feel about starting some competitive articles and gearing more of our efforts towards the small businesses?
[03:32] <jenda> Feel free to.
[03:32] <jenda> I'm not gonna do it, though ;)
[03:32] <adamant1988> Ok, so you'll let me go on a tangent on the mailing list?
[03:32] <elcasey> competitive articles?
[03:33] <adamant1988> elcasey: Well, Ubuntu has a lot going for it, but when a business is looking at their OS of choice I think the first thing on their mind would be "Which do I pick" and "Why should I pick this one"
[03:33] <jenda> elcasey: "a" and "an"
[03:33] <jenda> competitive articles ;)
[03:33] <elcasey> LOL
[03:33] <elcasey> took me a second
[03:33] <jenda> adamant1988: feel free to expound all your ideas on the mailing list.
[03:34] <adamant1988> Some articles/information detailing why Ubuntu is a solid choice over other offerings would be needed.
[03:34] <elcasey> unfortunately I think right now, small business just thinks, "Do I buy Vista or XP?"
[03:34] <jenda> adamant1988: keep in mind the 'reinvent the wheel' syndrome, though.
[03:34] <elcasey> We have to figure out how to change that.
[03:34] <adamant1988> jenda: I'll make sure to keep that in mind
[03:34] <elcasey> is there like a "checklist" flyer in existence?
[03:34] <elcasey> Ticking off the major areas why Ubuntu rocks your face off?
[03:34] <jenda> adamant1988: ie. chances are you aren't the first who thought of it, so it might pay off to have a look at similar ideas around and what came of them.
[03:34] <adamant1988> elcasey: I think some case studies with some exposure in the kinds of literature small businesses read is a good place to start.
[03:35] <adamant1988> I can probably get a bunch of businesses here locally to make that switch
[03:35] <adamant1988> Anything they can do to cut costs would make them happy
[03:36] <lotusleaf> most businesses I've approached favor the savings they receive from switching to ubuntu and not having to pay for licenses
[03:36] <adamant1988> lotusleaf: indeed
[03:36] <lotusleaf> once you tell them they can receive support from Canonical, it's all roses
[03:37] <elcasey> good point
[03:37] <elcasey> but that gets farmed out, no?
[03:37] <adamant1988> I think the first thing we should do is start actively going to these businesses and collecting information from them
[03:37] <adamant1988> elcasey: Canonical does it's own support contracts as well
[03:37] <lotusleaf> developing a flyer aimed at businesses with this information in a slick looking way would be cool IMO
[03:37] <lotusleaf> perhaps it already exists
[03:38] <adamant1988> I'm kind of interested in ways we can get to them though
[03:38] <adamant1988> What are businesses watching, reading, etc.
[03:39] <adamant1988> Once we know where we can get some exposure at no cost, we can go from there..
[03:40] <lotusleaf> sending out an emissary to various businesses at the grassroots level armed with flyers and information would be cool
[03:41] <adamant1988> lotusleaf: Perhaps we could talk to the Loco teams about this
[03:41] <lotusleaf> is there a single piece of marketing material available (DIY like stuff) aimed at businesses?
[03:41] <adamant1988> The loco teams are a bit more mobile than we would be able to be
[03:41] <lotusleaf> adamant1988, excellent point
[03:41] <adamant1988> Probably best to actively work with them on this
[03:43] <adamant1988> Do we have a launchpad where we can make specs for this stuff?
[03:43] <adamant1988> It would be a lot easier to coordinate our efforts with a freaking launchpad :(
[03:43] <lotusleaf> jenda's the sage to ask
[03:44] <adamant1988> he's asleep
[03:44] <lotusleaf> :/
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> http://www.cbc.ca/technology/
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> Look down
[03:44] <adamant1988> the Article about Ubuntu?
[03:44] <adamant1988> I read that
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> yeah - mainstream media, we have arrived!
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> :)
[03:45] <adamant1988> Ugh, stuff like this makes me sad that I want to use Fedora lol
[03:45] <lotusleaf> I'd never go back to rpm
[03:45] <adamant1988> lotusleaf: that bad?
[03:45] <adamant1988> I haven't used it, ever.
[03:45] <lotusleaf> adamant1988, you're in #ubuntuforums or #ubuntu-offtopic?
[03:45] <lotusleaf> i'll take my response there ;)
[03:45] <adamant1988> lotusleaf: you can PM me
[06:12] <boredandblogging> hello
[06:12] <dotwaffle> hi
[06:14] <boredandblogging> anything need to be done on the UWN?
[06:14] <dotwaffle> i haven't worked on it since about january, don't know who's managing it these days.
[06:14] <dotwaffle> Think it's beuno.
[06:14] <dotwaffle> Think it's pretty much done though.
[06:14] <dotwaffle> Due for release Sunday.
[06:15] <boredandblogging> yeah, its him...
[06:15] <boredandblogging> there are some links that need to be verified and summarized, not sure anyone has gotten around to looking at them yet
[06:15] <dotwaffle> wrong man to talk to, sorry ;)
[06:15] <dotwaffle> most others are asleep, i guess. it's what, 0415 UTC?
[06:16] <boredandblogging> true
[06:16] <boredandblogging> they were up later last night ;-)
[06:16] <boredandblogging> errr, early this morning
[06:16] <dotwaffle> last message I have is 0244Z, so I'm guessing they're dead by now ;)
[06:18] <dotwaffle> 0144Z even, damn you UTC!
[07:09] <Burgundavia> beuno
[07:09] <Burgundavia> boredandblogging: still around?
[07:11] <boredandblogging> yeah, whats up?
[07:11] <Burgundavia> you were asking for stuff to do?
[07:11] <boredandblogging> yeah
[07:12] <boredandblogging> got something for me?
[07:13] <Burgundavia> the in the blogosphere section needs writing up
[07:14] <Burgundavia> basically, a 1 or 2 sentence blurb on each of the blogs you think are interesting
[07:14] <boredandblogging> yeah, I wasn't sure which were good enough to really be there
[07:14] <boredandblogging> thats why I hadn't summarized them yet
[07:15] <Burgundavia> all but the first one look good
[07:15] <boredandblogging> ok, I'll take care of it
[07:15] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[07:15] <Burgundavia> ping when you are done
[07:15] <boredandblogging> will do
[07:16] <poningru> quick question when is the meeting again?
[07:19] <Burgundavia> 1st
[07:28] <poningru> cool thanks
[08:00] <boredandblogging> Burgundavia, summarized blogosphere and I added one link at the end.
[08:00] <Burgundavia> boredandblogging: sounds good
[08:06] <Burgundavia> I think we are looking good
[08:06] <Burgundavia> boredandblogging: can you give a general run through for grammer, spelling and general proofreading?
[08:07] <boredandblogging> Burgundavia, sure
[08:10] <Admiral_Chicago> someone want to add the information about beryl / compiz merging
[08:12] <Admiral_Chicago> to UWN that is
[08:15] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: not relevant to ubntu
[08:17] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: i think it fits under the realm of general linux happenings"
[08:17] <Admiral_Chicago> i read somewhere that UWN is mostly ubuntu, but that some other stuff could be included
[08:18] <boredandblogging> does it matter if some things are british english?
[08:20] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: not really, it would get too big
[08:20] <Burgundavia> boredandblogging: it all shoudl be in british/internal english
[08:21] <boredandblogging> ok
[08:21] <Admiral_Chicago> i seem to remember reading a page that said something like that....hmm maybe i'm mistaken
[08:29] <poningru> anything I can do?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> yes, 6.10 and 6.06 updates
[08:30] <Burgundavia> and bug stats
[08:30] <boredandblogging> there is an xxx after longstanding bug report fix, not sure what thats about
[08:30] <Burgundavia> that means more needs to be written
[08:30] <boredandblogging> did a read and made some minor changes
[08:30] <boredandblogging> ahh, ok
[08:48] <Burgundavia> boredandblogging: still editing?
[08:49] <Burgundavia> poningru: need help with getting that information?
[08:49] <boredandblogging> no
[08:51] <Burgundavia> would you mind getting the 6.10 and 6.06 information?
[08:51] <boredandblogging> me?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> sure
[08:52] <Burgundavia> do you know how to get it
[08:52] <boredandblogging> i can do it if someone points me where to look
[08:52] <Burgundavia> ?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> I can do it for now
[08:52] <Burgundavia> do you want to do the bugs stuff?
[08:53] <boredandblogging> same thing, where do I need to look? :-)
[08:54] <Burgundavia> the bugs are easier
[08:54] <boredandblogging> i imagine its somewhere on launchpad
[08:54] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:54] <Burgundavia> look at last weeks numbers in teh UWN
[08:54] <Burgundavia> and then look at this weeks
[08:55] <boredandblogging> ok
[08:55] <Burgundavia> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[08:59] <boredandblogging> fyi, the security update links are broken in Issue32 because of the new ubuntu site
[09:07] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:07] <Burgundavia> and the whole site is down right now
[09:08] <boredandblogging> ahh
[09:08] <Burgundavia> we only need the bug stats now
[09:09] <Burgundavia> and then we can pass to beuno for the last bits when he gets up
[09:12] <boredandblogging> done with stats
[09:14] <Burgundavia> rocking
[09:14] <Burgundavia> boredandblogging: what is your real name>
[09:14] <boredandblogging> Nick
[09:15] <boredandblogging> you are Corey, right?
[09:15] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:15] <boredandblogging> cool
[09:15] <Burgundavia> usually we use real names on the UWN
[09:15] <boredandblogging> i'll change it
[09:15] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[09:27] <boredandblogging> Burgundavia, ok, added my name, let me know if there is anything else I can do, I'll be around for awhile
[09:27] <Burgundavia> I think we are good
[09:28] <boredandblogging> sweet
[09:28] <Burgundavia> oh wait, meetings and events
[09:28] <Burgundavia> we need to add the upcoming ones
[09:30] <boredandblogging> ok
[09:32] <boredandblogging> i can just grab these from the fridge right? up to next saturday?
[09:33] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:33] <boredandblogging> ok
[09:40] <boredandblogging> Burgundavia, how many weeks of events do we add?
[09:40] <Burgundavia> one
[09:42] <boredandblogging> ok, 32 had a couple weeks of meetings
[09:42] <Burgundavia> no need for that
[09:44] <boredandblogging> done
[09:59] <Burgundavia> beuno: all yours!
 who is in charge of planet ubuntu?
 are they aware of http://ubuntu-linux.withishow.com/ ?
 i don't feel comfortable with them taking the feed and spitting it out with adverts, and generating revenue on that
 i didn't realise that by consenting to being aggregated by planet ubuntu, my work would be exploited elsewhere
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: Canonical is in charge of it afaik
[08:55] <tsmithe> ok
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure who to contact, that frustrates me as well
[08:56] <tsmithe> i'm on it
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: let me know what happens
[08:56] <tsmithe> sure
[08:58] <juliux> tsmithe, try it with the general admin list
[08:59] <tsmithe> general admin list?
[08:59] <tsmithe> could we continue the discussion in -devel, please?
[09:00] <juliux> tsmithe, sure
[09:11] <beuno> tsmithe: I'm not sure you can prevent others from reproducins your feeds with RSS and all
[09:11] <tsmithe> i can try my best :)
[09:11] <tsmithe> i did *not* give them permission to distribute *my* copyrighted works
[09:12] <tsmithe> i am very pro open-source, but i still am entitled to *my* thoughts
[09:12] <beuno> ah, yes, maybe you can in a legal sense, just not in a "tecnical" sense   :p
[09:12] <tsmithe> :)
[09:13] <elcasey> you should be using the GFDL anyway
[09:13] <PriceChild> beuno, The only reason for that site is to get hits onto adsense ;)
[09:13] <Admiral_Chicago> yep
[09:13] <PriceChild> I don't mind people aggregating me at all...
[09:13] <PriceChild> but this is just wrong :)
[09:13] <beuno> PriceChild: yeap, it's clear
[09:14] <beuno> maybe a nice C&D email?
[09:14] <tsmithe> that's what i'm in the middle of writing
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: will you CC me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:15] <beuno> and argentina@gmail
[09:15] <tsmithe> sure
[09:15] <tsmithe> i'll just post it on my blog
[09:15] <beuno> aaah
[09:15] <beuno> much better
[09:15] <jenda> tsmithe: a bit of free spirit, dude...
[09:16] <beuno> it'll go straight into there site
[09:16] <jenda> tsmithe: you should GPL your stuff :)
[09:16] <tsmithe> i don't want them making revenue, when i'm not :)
[09:16] <tsmithe> jenda, i GPL my code, but not my blog posts :)
[09:16] <jenda> jealous bastard ;)
[09:16] <PriceChild> lol
[09:16] <elcasey> aye
[09:16] <tsmithe> they are *only* representative of me
[09:16] <elcasey> you should GFDL your blog posts, as I said
[09:16] <jenda> tsmithe: and does that make sense?
[09:16] <tsmithe> yes
[09:16] <tsmithe> !ohmy | jenda
[09:16] <elcasey> i'm switching my site to GFDL from CC...but I don't run ads, either.
[09:22] <tsmithe> ok that post should be up shortly
[09:23] <Admiral_Chicago> good
[09:27] <beuno> who's up to helping me proof read UWN and get it out?  :D
[09:27] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: ping....i iwll
[09:27] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago, great, thanks
[09:28] <beuno> I just went through it polishing a but
[09:28] <beuno> bit
[09:28] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: we need to add the "in this issue part"
[09:28] <beuno> I'm not entirely happy of the "quality" of some pieces this week, but I didn't dedicate too much time to it, so I guess I can't complain
[09:28] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: yeap, want to write that, or do you want me to?
[09:29] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: thats all you, i need to email Marketing team about an error i found
[09:30] <beuno> great, on it
[09:30] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm not sure how to fix it either
[09:30] <beuno> I see we don't have a team or spec of the week
[09:30] <beuno> any ideas?
[09:31] <beuno> jenda: you might have an idea
[09:32] <jenda> hmm
[09:32] <jenda> team of the week...
[09:32] <jenda> spec of the week...
[09:32] <jenda> hmm...
[09:32] <jenda> ah, there are no teams I'm not a member of...
[09:32] <jenda> *runs even
[09:33] <beuno> hahaha
[09:33] <jenda> How's about the ubuntu-website team? is that even a team? :)
[09:33] <beuno> even better, you've got "inside news"
[09:33] <beuno> hmmm, I don't know...  are they part od the community or "canonical"?
[09:33] <jenda> something in between, i'd say.
[09:34] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: desktop effects team?
[09:35] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago++
[09:35] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: bingo!
[09:35] <beuno> :D
[09:36] <Admiral_Chicago> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop-effects
[09:37] <boredandblogging> beuno, how goes issue 33?
[09:37] <beuno> boredandblogging: pretty good, finishing the last bits
[09:37] <beuno> great job on it, btw
[09:37] <boredandblogging> beuno, glad I could help.
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, i found some errors, i'll fix them if you're not editin beuno
[09:38] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: go for it, I'm writing about the desktop-effects
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> removing interwiki linking.
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: all links are okay now
[09:50] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: great, thanks
[09:50] <beuno> I'm writing up the article on the team
[09:50] <beuno> then I'll sum up UWN
[09:50] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, i'll do a 'in this weeks issue'
[09:50] <beuno> then, unless someone can think of a reason not too, UWN #33 is out!
[09:50] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: great, go for it
[09:53] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: one more thing needs fixing...by meeting and events, that hug day needs attention
[09:53] <beuno> aaah, right
[10:16] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: whats the progress
[10:19] <beuno> added the tema of the week
[10:19] <jenda> wha
[10:19] <jenda> how did jenda` get in here :)
[10:19] <jenda> oh...
[10:19] <jenda> right... :)
[10:19] <jenda> I turned on my server...
[10:20] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: "in this issue" and finxing the hag day is left
[10:23] <Admiral_Chicago> i did "in this issues iirc
[10:24] <beuno> oh, yes
[10:24] <beuno> the intro is mising, sorry
[10:24] <beuno> I'm on it
[10:25] <Admiral_Chicago> made one fix, i gotta run though
[10:25] <Admiral_Chicago> good work
[10:27] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: you too, as always, great work!
[10:27] <beuno> Burgundavia: around?
[10:27] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:31] <beuno> ready to release?
[10:31] <beuno> just need to add the summary on top, and one last look
[10:37] <Burgundavia> let me take a look
[10:39] <Burgundavia> one heading at the wrong level, but otherwise looks good
[10:41] <beuno> which one?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> the soc one
[10:41] <beuno> right
[10:41] <Burgundavia> got it
[10:42] <beuno> it sewms a bit sloppy this week, but still looks good
[10:44] <Burgundavia> you are right on that mark`
[10:44] <Burgundavia> meh
[10:45] <beuno> ok, unless you don't oppose, I'm releasing
[10:46] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[10:51] <tsmithe> nixternal, ping
[10:55] <beuno> Burgundavia: sent to the mailing list
[10:55] <beuno> all wikis updated
[10:55] <beuno> get it in the fridge and past the filter and we're offically working on #34
[10:56] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[10:56] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you alive?
[10:56] <beuno> jenda: what should we do about the forums?   post or hold off for now?
[10:58] <nixternal> yo yo, soldering on some new caps to my mobo
[10:59] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: you get that from one of our guys?
[10:59] <nixternal> nope, got it from an old mobo I had lying around
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i see
[11:03] <Admiral_Chicago> man I still can't post on your blog nixternal
[11:09] <beuno> Burgundavia: I'm going to work on DIY, sent the email to the translators list, so the rest is on your side  :D
[11:10] <Burgundavia> have you sent to -news?
[11:10] <beuno> yeap
[11:10] <beuno> it's in moderation queue
[11:10] <Burgundavia> done
[11:11] <beuno> great, just need to see it in the fridge, and I won't bother you anymore
[11:12] <Burgundavia> fridge is in the moderation queue
[11:12] <beuno> aight, I'm off to DIY then, thanks
[11:19] <jenda> beuno: 33 is out?
[11:19] <jenda> I'll post it.
[11:19] <beuno> jenda: yeap, thanks!
[11:19] <jenda> even though I'm in the middle of reinstalling my OS ;)
[11:20] <beuno> double thanks then  :D
[11:21] <beuno> Burgundavia, jenda, I'm thinking on posting UWNs release to the planet, what do you think?
[11:21] <beuno> the planet gets a lot of expouse
[11:21] <beuno> exposure
[11:22] <Burgundavia> that they are releasd, absolutely
[11:22] <Burgundavia> the actual content shoudl stay on the wiiki
[11:22] <beuno> no the UWN itself, just a "UWN #33 is out"
[11:22] <Burgundavia> and geez, I cannot type :)
[11:22] <beuno> good, same page
[11:25] <jenda> hmm
[11:25] <jenda> Not sure if planet is the right place, ...
[11:25] <jenda> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=390529
[11:26] <Burgundavia> we need to blog, asking for more people anyway
[11:26] <jenda> that, yes :)
[11:27] <beuno> yes, I'm adding a "help us out" bit
[11:32] <beuno> ok, need to shower, walk the dog, eat something and finish the UWN code
[11:32] <beuno> probably in that order
[11:32] <beuno> Burgundavia: I haven't seen the UWN mail go through to ubuntu-news
[11:33] <beuno> is there a delay?