[06:06] <hikiko> Hello!
[06:08] <duflu> hikiko: Hello.  Think I have to go shopping :/
[08:31] <larsu> but it's -8°
[08:31] <didrocks> larsu: ça va, it's still warm here
[08:32] <larsu> good for you!
[08:32] <larsu> ;)
[08:32] <larsu> ok I think I'll dare anyway. bbiab
[08:37] <seb128> good luck!
[08:45] <texou_> seb128: pitti ah mais vous parlez en fr ici? je savais pas moi :D j'aurais pu faire ca avec didrocks :D
[08:46] <didrocks> good morning texou_
[08:46] <texou_> didrocks: c'est permis donc?
[08:46] <texou_> :D
[08:46] <texou_> hello
[08:46] <didrocks> texou_: no, it's more an inside joke with some people speaking french, but we don't tend to do more than "salut, comment ça va ?"
[08:46] <texou_> ah ok
[08:46] <texou_> :D
[08:46] <texou_> I was surprised indeed
[08:47] <pitti> texou_: j'appends français depuis une année et demi, mais c'est encore mal :)
[08:47] <seb128> bonjour texou ;-)
[08:47] <pitti> texou_: "apprends"
[08:47] <texou_> pitti: oh reading what you wrote I didn't know
[08:47] <texou_> you had a good French
[08:48] <pitti> texou_: je suis allemand
[08:48] <pitti> texou_: merci :)
[08:49] <texou_> oh ok
[08:49] <pitti> texou_: français est la langue officielle d'équipe du bureau :)
[08:49] <texou_> ah ok I didnt know this  :D
[08:50] <pitti> texou_: (this is a running gag)
[08:55] <willcooke> morning all
[08:56] <willcooke> seb128, Community Council meeting is this Thursday.  I'm not here.  Can you lead it?  And we'll find someone to support you?
[08:56] <willcooke> or I can ask mhall119 to move it
[08:56] <seb128> willcooke, hey, "lead it"? what does that involve?
[08:56] <seb128> at what time is tyha
[08:56] <seb128> that
[08:57] <willcooke> lead = answer their questions
[08:57] <willcooke> see mail to Desktop mailing list.
[08:57] <willcooke> 1700 UTC
[09:01] <seb128> huum
[09:01] <seb128> should be ok if it fits in half an hour
[09:01] <willcooke> oki, understood.
[09:01] <willcooke> mhall119 when you're online let's discuss ^^
[09:02] <seb128> willcooke, mhall119, oh in fact it should be fine
[09:03] <seb128> we are utc+1 in winter, I always get confused
[09:03] <willcooke> ohh
[09:03] <willcooke> yeah
[09:03] <seb128> so it's 6pm european, which is fine
[09:03] <seb128> I though it was 7pm
[09:03] <willcooke> thanks seb128, much appreicated
[09:03] <willcooke> *appreciated
[09:03] <seb128> yw!
[09:08] <larsu> morning willcooke!
[09:08] <willcooke> Hey larsu, how goes?
[09:08] <larsu> willcooke: now that I have food and tea, much better!
[09:08] <willcooke> Thanks for the email yesterday.  Told legal not our problem :)
[09:08] <larsu> how are you?
[09:08]  * willcooke is in need to yea
[09:08] <larsu> willcooke: ya, srlsy. Wicked
[09:08] <willcooke> tea
[09:10] <Laney> hello!
[09:10] <larsu> hi Laney! How goes?
[09:11] <Laney> hey larsu!
[09:11] <Laney> it's going well thanks
[09:11] <willcooke> morning Laney
[09:11] <Laney> some friends from the states came to visit and stay with us last minute
[09:12] <Laney> so did some hanging out and pub last night
[09:12] <Laney> how are you?
[09:12] <Laney> hey willcooke
[09:12] <larsu> neat!
[09:12] <larsu> I'm great, thanks. Just had to go hunt for food in the cold (but wasn't as bad as expected)
[09:13] <Laney> ooh minus degrees still
[09:13] <Laney> do you have snow?
[09:13] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:14] <didrocks> good morning Laney
[09:14] <pitti> hey Laney, good morning
[09:16] <larsu> Laney: nope. Just the cold
[09:16] <larsu> guten Tag pitti!
[09:17] <pitti> hello larsu, wie gehts?
[09:17] <larsu> gut gut
[09:17] <larsu> kalt!
[09:17] <Laney> hey seb128 didrocks and pitti!
[09:17]  * Laney is feeeeeeeeeeeeling fine
[09:59] <Laney> who knows what the autopkgtest delta in gvfs is about?
[09:59] <seb128> dunno
[09:59] <Laney> drops needs-root and adds sudo
[10:00] <pitti> Run tests through sudo starting as normal user, so that it can find a
[10:00] <pitti>       non-root user.
[10:00] <pitti> that?
[10:00] <pitti> ah, yes
[10:00] <Laney> yeah
[10:00] <andyrock> morning all
[10:00] <seb128> hey andyrock! happy new year
[10:00] <pitti> Laney: this is a bit irky indeed, I don't have a really good idea about that
[10:00] <andyrock> seb128: happy new e
[10:01] <andyrock> *year
[10:01] <pitti> Laney: tests/gvfs-testbed walks upwards its parents until it finds a non-root parent and then runs tests as that
[10:01] <pitti> Laney: but this is rather specific for sudo (which we use), and doesn't work in Debian's CI
[10:03] <Laney> pitti: they don't have a sudoable user there?
[10:03] <pitti> right
[10:04] <Laney> could that be fixed?
[10:05] <pitti> Debian recently changed to using LXC testbeds
[10:05] <pitti> but I don't have much insight into that (that's terceiro's area)
[10:05] <pitti> Laney: it might also be possible to fix gvfs-testbed itself to detect a normal user a different way
[10:05] <pitti> Laney: is that our only remaining delta now?
[10:07] <Laney> pitti: It could be just dropping libbluray-dev
[10:08] <pitti> Laney: ah, the splitting out of -goa is obsolete now?
[10:09] <Laney> yeah, we discussed that in november
[10:09] <Laney> can keep this test stuff for now though
[10:10] <Laney> but otherwise I would be okay with committing the B+R for -goa to svn
[10:11] <seb128> Laney, pitti, the conclusion to goa was that the split was obsolete then?
[10:11] <Laney> ye
[10:11] <seb128> (fine with me, when I asked I was unsure if we should move the new backend out or merge goa back in the main package)
[10:11] <seb128> cool
[10:47] <Laney> pitti: http://people.canonical.com/~laney/patch-dump/0001-adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud-Fix-typo-in-path-to-system-.patch might interest you ;-)
[10:49] <pitti> Laney: whoops, thanks! applied
[10:50] <Laney> np, thank you!
[11:40] <Laney> grr
[11:45] <Laney> me no get lightdm any more
[11:54] <Laney> it seems to be running though
[11:55] <Laney> and I typed my password and a compiz process appaeared
[11:57] <Laney> :|
[11:58] <Laney> compiz process but nothing on screen, that is
[11:58] <Laney> logs look normal to me
[12:03] <hikiko|ln> Laney, try to remove .compiz-1/
[12:03] <Laney> hey hikiko|ln
[12:04] <Laney> lightdm itself doesn't come up
[12:04] <hikiko|ln> oh
[12:04] <Laney> but accepts input...
[12:04] <Laney> driver?
[12:04] <hikiko|ln> :s
[12:04] <Laney> tried an older kernel
[12:04]  * Laney tries nvidia instead of nouveau
[12:05] <hikiko|ln> i guess if it was the driver module you would see an error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:06] <hikiko|ln> (not sure)
[12:06] <Laney> well it does load
[12:06] <hikiko> mmm
[12:11] <hikiko> usually when you install the nvidia driver you have to configure xorg too
[12:12] <hikiko> but you would see an error if you had to configure it
[12:12] <hikiko> maybe it's not xserver related at all, no idea :(
[12:13] <hikiko> oh Laney ! maybe you didn't blacklist nouveau?
[12:16] <Laney> hikiko|ln: erm! not on purpose
[12:17] <Laney> it was working earlier this morning, then I restarted to test an update and no more
[12:17] <Laney> nvidia gives me lightdm but no session :/
[12:18] <hikiko|ln> oh
[12:18] <hikiko|ln> then try the brutal:
[12:18] <Laney> Compiz (opengl) - Fatal: glXQueryExtensionsString is NULL for screen 0
[12:18] <Laney> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
[12:18] <hikiko|ln> rm .config/dconf/user (but this will start unity in default settings)
[12:18] <hikiko|ln> oh
[12:19] <hikiko|ln> you are missing nvidia-glx :)
[12:19] <hikiko|ln> and you can't create opengl context
[12:19] <Laney> ah hang on
[12:19] <Laney> nvidia didn't load
[12:19]  * Laney sucks at X stuff :)
[12:21] <Laney> [  106.944154] mtrr: no MTRR for f1000000,e00000 found
[12:21] <Laney> [  106.962364] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_del (err 0)
[12:21] <Laney> [  106.962475] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_add (err 0)
[12:21] <Laney> [  106.994371] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_del (err 0)
[12:21] <Laney> [  106.994482] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_add (err 0)
[12:21] <hikiko|ln> Laney, if you have another window manager or de like xfce you could modify .xinitrc and start the other de with startx
[12:21] <hikiko|ln> then you would know for sure if the problem is on x
[12:21] <hikiko|ln> or in lightdm
[12:21] <hikiko|ln> let me see
[12:22] <hikiko|ln> mmm Laney did you compile the nvidia driver yourself?
[12:22] <davmor2> Laney: man have you not figured this out yet??? Nvidia hates you, hate it back it works for me ;)
[12:23] <Laney> hikiko|ln: dkms did
[12:23] <hikiko|ln> then it should work
[12:23] <hikiko|ln>  Since Kernel 4.3-rc1 both symbols got removed. Nvidia has to adopt to these changes. If you want to cheat that fact you have to patch those symbols back into your kernel.
[12:23] <hikiko|ln> https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/893282/304-128-and-kernel-4-3-can-compile-but-cannot-insert-it-mtrr-symbols-related-errors-/
[12:23]  * Laney tries a 4.2 kernel
[12:23] <hikiko|ln> should work then :s
[12:24] <Laney> the error was on 4.3
[12:24] <hikiko|ln> Laney, maybe you forgot the linux headers for 4.2?
[12:24] <Laney> i'm now rebooting with an older one
[12:24] <hikiko|ln> but then it wouldn't compile i guess :s
[12:25] <Laney> davmor2: bring that sledge hammer when you come round
[12:26] <Laney> ok, that works...
[12:26] <hikiko|ln> the hammer?
[12:26] <hikiko|ln> :D
[12:26] <Laney> so nvidia is broken with 4.3 and nouveau randomly died too
[12:26] <Laney> AWESOME!
[12:26] <hikiko|ln> hahaha
[12:26] <hikiko|ln> \m/
[12:26] <davmor2> hikiko|ln: the hammer always works
[12:26] <hikiko|ln> lol
[12:26]  * hikiko|ln goes for lunch break
[12:26] <hikiko|ln> bbiab
[13:26] <mhall119> willcooke: still need to discuss?
[13:27] <willcooke> mhall119, I think we're good
[13:28] <seb128> mhall119, is there any agenda for that meeting?
[13:28] <mhall119> cool, thanks
[13:28] <willcooke> mhall119, basically I won't be able to make it, but Seb can cover if it's fairly short
[13:28] <willcooke> if you have any up-front questions I can try and provide answers over email
[13:28] <willcooke> but
[13:28] <willcooke> if it's like the last one, then I think it will be straight forward
[13:28] <mhall119> seb128: no, it's usually just "How are things going, anything we can help with, what are the plans for this cycle (community wise)"
[13:28] <seb128> k, same as previous time
[13:28] <mhall119> yup
[13:28] <seb128> I'm unsure we have much to contribute
[13:28] <seb128> but let's see
[13:29] <seb128> it's basically going to be a copy/paste from the previous one
[13:30] <willcooke> yeah, what seb128 said
[13:30] <willcooke> nothing has changed really
[13:30] <Laney> actually I might have an interesting bone to throw you
[13:30]  * Laney will keep it a surprise until then :)
[13:30] <willcooke> yay
[13:30] <Laney> try not to be too excited
[13:30] <seb128> Laney, please join the meeting then
[13:31]  * seb128 bails off and appoint Laney as desktop representative ;-)
[13:31] <seb128> bails out
[13:31] <Laney> NOPE
[13:31]  * Laney sets up a script to type at the right time
[13:31] <seb128> haha
[13:39] <mhall119> seb128: willcooke: don't worry about it, it's fairly common for teams to just tell things are going well and there are no problems
[13:39] <mhall119> it's just good for us to check at least twice a year :)
[13:39] <seb128> k
[13:59] <alexarnaud> didrocks: I've passed all my configuration to GSettings, I use
[13:59] <alexarnaud>      Compiz <IP_ADDRESS>. The window-decorator is not loaded. Do you have
[13:59] <alexarnaud>      any idea where is problem ?
[13:59] <alexarnaud> I use the plugin window-decorator, I'm on Mate 1.8
[13:59] <alexarnaud> I have activated gnome-compatibility module
[14:00] <didrocks> alexarnaud: maybe the compiz guys can help you with debugging, hikiko ^
[14:04] <hikiko> hey
[14:04] <hikiko> alexarnaud, hi
[14:04] <hikiko> let me read what's the problem
[14:05] <alexarnaud> hikiko: sorry ?
[14:05] <alexarnaud> hikiko: do you want the exact message I have ?
[14:05] <hikiko> yes please :) I was looking at the backlog
[14:10] <alexarnaud> hikiko: sorry for the late, I take another test
[14:10] <alexarnaud> *I do
[14:10] <hikiko> no worries
[14:10] <hikiko> take your time
[14:13] <alexarnaud> hikiko: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14410779/
[14:14] <alexarnaud> hikiko: if you give me only one step to introspect or having more information, I would be verry happy
[14:14] <hikiko> alexarnaud, the problem is that you start compiz and it stops?
[14:15] <hikiko> libGL error: pci id for fd 11: 80ee:beef, driver (null)
[14:15] <hikiko> OpenGL Warning: glFlushVertexArrayRangeNV not found in mesa table
[14:15] <hikiko> OpenGL Warning: glVertexArrayRangeNV not found in mesa table
[14:15] <hikiko> OpenGL Warning: glCombinerInputNV not found in mesa table
[14:15] <hikiko> OpenGL Warning: glCombinerOutputNV not found in mesa table
[14:15] <hikiko> OpenGL Warning: glCombinerParameterfNV not found in mesa table
[14:15] <hikiko> OpenGL Warning: glCombinerParameterfvNV not found in mesa table
[14:15] <alexarnaud> no the problem is the gtk-window-decorator doesn't work
[14:15] <hikiko> sorry for the paste
[14:15] <hikiko> these messages make me suspect that something is wrong with the driver
[14:16] <hikiko> you have nvidia right?
[14:16] <hikiko> libGL error: core dri or dri2 extension not found
[14:16] <hikiko> libGL error: failed to load driver: vboxvideo
[14:16] <hikiko> are you in virtualbox?
[14:16] <alexarnaud> hikiko: no, I use VM and I have nouveau in Debian system
[14:16] <hikiko> yes that's probably the problem something with the virtualbox configuration
[14:16] <alexarnaud> hikiko: yes, maybe I forgot to check an option
[14:17] <hikiko> it seems that you don't use opengl
[14:17] <hikiko> I mean you don't have hardware acceleration
[14:17] <alexarnaud> OK, I'll investigate, thanks a lot!
[14:17] <hikiko> and the opengl plugin fails
[14:18] <alexarnaud> hum, it's the first time I have the issue
[14:18] <hikiko> alexarnaud, make sure you have extensions, 3d acceleration and the guest additions installed
[14:19] <hikiko> alexarnaud, you could run compiz before in vbox
[14:19] <hikiko> and now you can't?
[14:19] <hikiko> (with the same settings)
[14:19] <hikiko> ?
[14:20] <alexarnaud> hikiko: no I've recompiled compiz and re-began a VM, maybe I'm wrong in something
[14:21] <hikiko> alexarnaud, from what I see your compiz is fine the virtualbox configuration is not correct and you can't have opengl running so the opengl plugin of compiz fails and the decorator that uses it fails too
[14:22] <hikiko> or maybe virtualbox has a very small opengl implementation
[14:22] <hikiko> you could install mesa-utils
[14:23] <hikiko> and try to run glxgears
[14:23] <hikiko> to see if you have opengl or not
[14:23] <hikiko> and glxinfo
[14:23] <hikiko> glxinfo | grep -i opengl
[14:24] <alexarnaud> hikiko: I'm checking
[14:26] <alexarnaud> hikiko: I've some opengl error
[14:28] <alexarnaud> hikiko: libGL error: pci id for fd 4: 80ee:beef, driver (null)
[14:28] <alexarnaud> it seems so that the driver is off
 alexarnaud, make sure you have extensions, 3d acceleration and the guest additions installed
[14:38] <hikiko> I think it's 1 of the 3 :)
[15:27] <qengho> Oh man, I'm not ready for a meeting.
[15:28] <desrt> but the meeting is ready for you
[15:29] <willcooke> I am not ready either, just wrapping up a call
[15:29] <willcooke> lemme try and multi task
[15:29] <willcooke> (this won't end well)
[15:29] <seb128> do it the laney way, get ready while it's happening
[15:29] <seb128> :-)
[15:29]  * seb128 is learning from the masters
[15:29] <larsu> you have another minute!
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2016(!!!)-01-05
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan  5 15:30:03 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <desrt> \o/ (for attente)
[15:30] <andyrock> \o
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark (hols), themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho (hols), robert_ancell (hols)
[15:30] <larsu> o/
[15:30] <Laney> how DARE you!
[15:30] <FJKong> happy new year
[15:31] <happyaron> hey
[15:31] <attente> desrt: can't unsee
[15:31] <didrocks> hey hey
[15:31] <dgadomski> hey
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <andyrock> hey guys
[15:32] <andyrock> # Trevinho's code reviews
[15:33] <andyrock> # Reviewed and proposed a patch from community, waiting for Marco +1
[15:33] <seb128> it's your opportunity to catch up while he's still on vac :-)
[15:33] <andyrock> ahahahahah
[15:33] <andyrock> # Support for startup notifications in bamf/unity/dash
[15:33] <andyrock> I'm almost done with that just need some days more
[15:34] <andyrock> # eating Italian food
[15:34] <andyrock> :)
[15:34] <andyrock> \eof
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:35] <attente> hi all
[15:35] <attente> so from before the break:
[15:35] <attente> merge proposal for this old unfixable bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1226962
[15:35] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1226962 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Xenial) "Hotkeys not functional in non-latin keyboard layout" [High,Triaged]
[15:35] <attente> submitted a fix for an rhashtable bug in the kernel but my patch was superceded D:
[15:35] <attente> currently doing another iteration on those old upstream gtk patches for menu popup re-factoring
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <desrt> attente: lkml = fail.  sorry :(
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:36] <willcooke> bad luck you didnt get a patch in to the kernel
[15:36] <willcooke> that would be pretty sweet
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:37] <desrt> hi.  from before the break, managed to get the dconf release with new APIs out the door and am readying the glib changes to land this week (GSettingsBackendChangeset, and new GSettingsBackend vtable API).
[15:38] <desrt> spent yesterday mostly getting through email, back to 'real work' today
[15:38] <willcooke> :)
[15:38] <desrt> (plus a bit of travel planning, probably)
[15:38] <desrt> eof.
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:38] <dgadomski> hey
[15:38] <dgadomski> nothing in the desktop area before the break, hopefuly it'll change soon this year :)
[15:38] <willcooke> :)
[15:38] <dgadomski> thanks, happy new year everybody
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:39] <didrocks> Report for a week and half (as took late holidays)
[15:39] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:39] <didrocks> - released Ubuntu Make 15.12.1 with previously noted improvments
[15:39] <didrocks> - move Visual Studio Code from web to ide category as it now supports more than just webby stuff (keep backward compatibility)
[15:39] <didrocks> - enable setting up firefox developer edition as the default browser
[15:39] <didrocks> - tutoring and following a new contributor for some Unity3D support enhancements
[15:40] <didrocks> - refactoring tests due to jenkins CI programed death to run in autopktests environment, even the large ones. We can now run all or some tests, even having the same granularity to run only one test or test family in the testbed (using a real ubuntu-desktop install). Collecting and global coverage are also enabled as it was in jenkins, testing ppa, distro or git branch! Thanks pitti for implementing
[15:40] <didrocks> the autopkgtests side with new options! Now having all this being implemented, it just need a little bit more polish and testing.
[15:40] <didrocks> - changed build-dep and test build-deps handling to be less hackish
[15:40] <didrocks> - did multiple fixes caused by various racy code (more visible now that the testbed is slower)
[15:40] <didrocks> - be more resilient against invalid tar archive
[15:40] <didrocks> - some fakeroot and new dpkg hook related fixes in xenial
[15:40] <didrocks> - smallest changes like i18n, making some tests more robust…
[15:40] <didrocks> Misc:
[15:40] <didrocks> - unity online scopes removal: fully done, need testing on a fresh system though (and some server-side changes by the online services team)
[15:40] <didrocks> - plymouth fixes for derivatives and edge cases (only one theme configured…)
[15:40] <didrocks> - grub fix for plymouth (in debian git, waiting for the release, soon, you will have some excellent aubergine back in grub!)
[15:40] <didrocks> - helped on google code in, a lot of times spent on mentoring and tutoring, but 3 new items closed! 3 more on their way.
[15:40] <didrocks> - various AA tasks
[15:40] <didrocks> - Atom.io PR finally reviewed, did small fixes and reproposed. Still waiting on the github guys.
[15:40] <didrocks> - gave some help to the a11y community on compiz packaging for debian/knoppix. I wonder if TheMuso, as it's more his field, can give a hand to them here.
[15:40] <didrocks> .
[15:40] <pitti> didrocks: ubuntu make tests> \o/  congrats for implementing this!
[15:40] <didrocks> thanks again to you pitti for the 2 small additionals options. Were really useful! :)
[15:41] <didrocks> pitti: I'll show you the setup, can be of interest :)
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[15:41] <willcooke> I will re-install my 16.04 test machine from scratch this week to test
[15:41] <didrocks> oh nice, keep me posted!
[15:41] <happyaron> didrocks: have some rest, :)
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:41] <FJKong> hey
[15:41] <FJKong> no new bug need to fix
[15:41] <FJKong> sogou IM new feature research :user can adjust frequency candidate words
[15:41] <FJKong> sync vocabulary defined by user
[15:41] <FJKong> try Oxide a little bit
[15:41] <FJKong> eof
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:43] <happyaron> review of kylin-greeter
[15:44] <happyaron> fcitx related updates
[15:44] <happyaron> still working on opencc ABI issue
[15:44] <happyaron> EOF
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks happyaron
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:45] <hikiko> I fixed the problems with the texture states on unity and now the shadows have the color we set through opengl, I am doing small corrections and polishing in the branch before I submit it for review, and I am also fixing some drawing related issues I found here and there while I was implementing the effect eof
[15:45] <willcooke> \o/
[15:45] <willcooke> congrats hikiko
[15:46] <hikiko> thanks :)
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:46] <Laney> • Getting back into the groove
[15:46] <Laney> • Update gvfs in eXp + Xenial to 1.27 devel series
[15:46] <Laney> • Update agda to unstick the haskell transition
[15:46] <Laney> • Some work on the appstream-dep11 charm (add a few actions, fix some bugs) and some prodding of IS, hoping to get a deadline set on the ticket soon
[15:46] <Laney> • Arranging travel for FOSDEM (+ some cat herding) and desktop team sprint
[15:46] <Laney> • Some digging and asking to try to find out the license of the Ubuntu logos
[15:46] <Laney> • Start to work on merging gstreamer 1.7 devel series which came out over the hols, looks like the mir/hybris patch needs updating again. yesssssss
[15:46] <Laney> • cheese
[15:46] <Laney> 🧀
[15:46] <willcooke> :)
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:46] <seb128> cat?
[15:47] <Laney> cheese
[15:47]  * willcooke <- meow
[15:47] <larsu> miau
[15:47] <seb128> :-)
[15:47]  * desrt blinks
[15:47] <larsu> (German cat)
[15:47] <Laney> U+1F9C0
[15:47] <seb128> larsu, sounds similar to a french cat!
[15:47] <larsu> ubuntu font doesn't have it. doesn't exist
[15:47] <Laney> https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/🧀/
[15:47] <Laney> wtf
[15:47] <larsu> seb128: French and German cats get along *really* well
[15:48] <seb128> :-)
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:48]  * desrt can see the lovefest from across the ocean
[15:48] <Laney> the cat enabler is coming tomorrow
[15:48] <larsu> hey.  They vacationed too!
[15:56] <qengho> * handle new Cr sandbox in apparmor rules. In apparmor package, not Cr package.
[15:56] <qengho> * fixing second bug in xdg-utils. 1) desktop files, 2) mime config moved. Merging debian.
[15:56] <qengho> * making sure grub understands ZFS device names, and understands common fs features. Avoid obvious papercut problems in 16.04.
[15:56] <seb128> had good holidays, got previous year context wiped out as a side effect, trying to remember how to do this work thing
[15:56] <seb128> </current status>
[15:56] <seb128> (or said differently, still dealing with backlog from the holidays)
[15:56] <qengho> Oh, wow, I think smuxi is screwy.
[15:57] <willcooke> heh
[15:57] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:57] <willcooke> * Uploaded ALSA userspace 1.1.0 to xenial. All but alsa-lib are through proposed, alsa-lib is being held up on chromium-browser and kde-runtime test failures on armhf. These don't have anything to do with alsa-lib so far as I can tell, so not my problem. :)
[15:57] <willcooke> * PulseAudio 8.0~rc1 aka 7.99.1 is out, not sure if we will be putting pulseaudio 8 into Xenial. Anyways, testing packages available in ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/pulse-testing for xenial.
[15:57] <willcooke> * liba11y-profile-manager, aka the accessibility profile refactor lives, at least in a small degree. This will be my primary focus in the coming weeks.
[15:57] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - Phone: Tested on-demand start-up and shutdown of CUPS daemon. Needs adjustmants in CUPS config and removal of respawning by Upstart.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - Phone: Looked into how CI Train process works, working on preparing everything to only need one CI-Train process to get printing onto the phone.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: 1.5.0 upstream release with
[15:58] <tkamppeter>    - cups-browsed command line options for config option supply via command line and alternative config file, needed for the phone.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Packaging of 1.5.0 with Braille printing support in separate package.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Re-introduce beh (Backend Error Handler) wrapper backend (this time in C and not in Perl) as several users asked for it.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: --version command line option.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Bug fixes on Braille support and foomatic-rip.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:58] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:58] <tkamppeter> larsu, seb, no snow and cold at X-mas: http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/8150277390/photos/3350850/belvedere-district-on-the-weekend-i?inalbum=belo-horizonte
[15:59] <willcooke> O_o
[15:59] <tkamppeter> http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/8150277390/photos/3350849/belvedere-district-on-the-weekend-ii?inalbum=belo-horizonte
[15:59] <seb128> tkamppeter, no snow here either this year, but not quite the same weather as you have...
[15:59] <qengho2> Ugh. So much lag.
[15:59] <willcooke> ha
[15:59] <willcooke> #topic willcooke
[16:00] <willcooke> Travel arrangements coming together at last
[16:00] <qengho2> My client will catch up soon. I'm ready.
[16:00] <willcooke> still waiting to hear re: hackfest
[16:00] <willcooke> Please fill in that conf spreadsheet asap so I can get the ball rolling on this years confs
[16:00] <willcooke> I'll be at MWC w/c 22 Feb
[16:01] <willcooke> Chasing PK1.0 patch
[16:01] <willcooke> admin
[16:01] <tkamppeter> willcooke, do I need to enter the OpenPrinting Summit in that spreadsheet, too?
[16:01] <willcooke> tkamppeter, erm, if you could enter *next* years that would be good so I can get the approval this year and not have to wait until Jan next year
[16:02] <willcooke> #topic Any Other Business
[16:02] <willcooke> I'll be off Thursday
[16:02] <willcooke> There is a Community Council meeting in the afternoon which Seb and Laney will be at
[16:03] <seb128> thanks Laney ;-)
[16:03] <willcooke> :)
[16:03] <tkamppeter> willcooke, from when to when is FY 2016/2017?
[16:03] <willcooke> April -> April
[16:03] <willcooke> but the sooner we get our list in, the better the chance of approval
[16:04] <willcooke> oki let's wrap.  Thank you everyone
[16:04] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan  5 16:04:47 2016 UTC.
[16:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-01-05-15.30.moin.txt
[16:05] <seb128> thanks!
[16:13] <larsu> snow!
[16:19] <ricotz> Laney, hi :), I have a feeling providing a proper transitional package for gvfs-backends-goa would be better
[16:27] <Laney> what is your feeling based on?
[16:30] <ricotz> Laney, breaking ubuntu-gnome-desktop package and maybe a smooth upgrade from trusty?
[16:31] <ricotz> *ubuntu-gnome-desktop meta-package
[16:41] <Laney> ricotz: Not sure there will be any particular upgrade issue, we'll see
[16:41] <Laney> and the seed is being fixed
[16:42] <Laney> xnox: btw I remembered how to make germinate-update-metapackage (seeds) work for proposed
[16:42] <Laney> we were looking at that just before xmas
[16:42] <Laney> [xenial]
[16:42] <Laney> dists: xenial xenial-proposed
[16:43]  * xnox ponders if that should be the default really
[16:48] <ricotz> Laney, ok
[16:50] <Laney> ricotz: germinate is currently melting my laptop
[16:50] <Laney> oh a load of s390x stuff changed
[16:50]  * Laney assumes that is good
[17:08] <didrocks> have a good evening everyone!
[17:09] <Laney> bye didrocks!
[17:09] <seb128> night didrocks
[17:09] <didrocks> good evening Laney, seb128
[17:15] <Mirv> no new Personal images since 20151017.1, or is there another place to fetch them than the edge channel of personal rolling?
[17:16] <Mirv> my main goal would be to actually install such an image somehow
[17:17] <Mirv> this is the primary goal. secondary would be to settle for .deb based Unity 8 + Mir experience.
[17:17] <Mirv> I've a dedicated touch chromebook for this :)
[17:19] <seb128> Mirv, we stopped those images since they were not an active goal
[17:20] <seb128> you better install daily ubuntu and install the unity8-desktop-session
[17:28] <alexarnaud> hikiko: it was sn error with VirtualBox. I fix it only bu unchecking "enable 3d acceleration"
[17:35] <Mirv> seb128: thanks, ok then, I won't dream yet of those images then :)
[17:36] <Mirv> seb128: does unity8-desktop-session use Mir by default?
[17:36] <seb128> yes
[17:36] <seb128> there is no unity8 x11 session remaining I think
[17:36] <hikiko> alexarnaud, thanks for sharing! I think that the 3d acceleration works for certain hosts only (some kernel and xserver versions are not supported) glad you fixed it though :)
[17:38] <alexarnaud> hikiko: I spend so much time on this ! Before the bug doesn't appear. I'm in Debian Sid and I don't know when it come.
[17:39] <Mirv> thanks again
[17:39] <hikiko> if the problem occurs when you enable the 3d acceleration only
[17:39] <Saviq> seb128, since you were trying to help with that at some point - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1313032/comments/9
[17:39] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1313032 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "Compose key is not working in Xubuntu 14.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:40] <hikiko> it means that you either don't have the guest additions installed or that for some other reason vbox cannot use the host's driver (the debian sid's driver)
[17:41] <hikiko> alexarnaud, if you install mesa-utils
[17:41] <hikiko> and then you run glxgears
[17:41] <hikiko> do you see the gears?
[17:47] <seb128> Saviq, thanks
[18:06] <seb128> good evening desktopers!
[18:08] <Laney> riiiiiiight laters!
[18:08] <Laney> bye seb128 !
[18:08] <alexarnaud> hikiko: yes, I see gears
[18:10] <ricotz> Laney, thanks for fixing the meta-package
[18:14] <hikiko> then opengl is working alexarnaud :)
[18:16] <willcooke> see ya seb128
[18:37] <willcooke> gnight all
[18:37] <willcooke> close enough
[19:08] <alexarnaud> see you tomorrow !


[16:24] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I'm thinking about hacking on Launchpad to add the ability to edit comments. Does Launchpad.net run on the trunk version or on some stable milestone?
[16:26] <cjwatson> very close to tip
[16:27] <cjwatson> if we've just done a deployment, then it runs exactly on the tip of lp:launchpad
[16:29] <Pegasus_RPG> Cool. The wiki says to talk about it in here before starting to hack. Are there any pitfalls regarding this issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/80895 and probably https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/668267 as well
[16:29] <mup> Bug #80895: comments on bugs/answers/merge proposals/etc cannot be edited <canonical-losa-lp> <feature> <lp-answers> <lp-bugs> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/80895>
[16:29] <mup> Bug #668267: No way to remove nuclear launch codes from comments on bugs, answers, merge proposals. <canonical-losa-lp> <dhrb> <lp-bugs> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/668267>
[16:30] <cjwatson> have you thought about the social issues?  e.g. what's to stop somebody engaged in an argument on a bug from editing a comment further up and gaslighting people by claiming they never said something?
[16:31] <Pegasus_RPG> I was thinking just to allow the author to edit their own comments
[16:31] <Pegasus_RPG> (There are many times I wish I could do that...)
[16:31] <cjwatson> OK, that's too broad and won't fly on its own.  Matthew's suggestions in #80895 are one possibility, but it does need care and thought
[16:31] <mup> Bug #80895: comments on bugs/answers/merge proposals/etc cannot be edited <canonical-losa-lp> <feature> <lp-answers> <lp-bugs> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/80895>
[16:32] <cjwatson> (i.e. time-limited)
[16:32] <cjwatson> Consider also the approach exemplified in https://www.dreamwidth.org/support/faqbrowse?faqid=47 : "You can edit your own comments on any journal, as long as the comments have not yet been replied to. You can't edit other people's comments posted on your entries, or edit comments after they've been replied to"
[16:33] <Pegasus_RPG> Good point. That sounds fair.
[16:33] <Pegasus_RPG> (That's how phpBB works too)
[16:33] <cjwatson> There's also the possibility of leaving the original comment around for inspection, but off to the side, like what happens if you edit a bug description
[16:33] <cjwatson> That doesn't address the "accidentally posted your house address in a comment" issue, but does address the typo issue
[16:34] <Pegasus_RPG> The admin hide ability that's already there addresses that though, right?
[16:34] <cjwatson> Yes, and people can in fact hide their own comments entirely too
[16:35] <cjwatson> Though I think possibly only on bugs (I can't recall about questions)
[16:35] <cjwatson> All of bugs, questions, and merge proposals are distressingly separate here
[16:36] <Pegasus_RPG> So that case (sensitive info) is covered. I just want to have the ability to edit my own comments because I tend to have additional thoughts or notice typos after I post.
[16:36] <cjwatson> Partially covered, because only bugs (or possibly only bugs and questions0
[16:36] <Pegasus_RPG> yeah that's a problem too
[16:36] <Pegasus_RPG> (Why are the three mechanisms separate code-wise?(
[16:36] <cjwatson> This is quite a big project.  I'd suggest trying to identify smaller pieces that you can tackle in smaller units
[16:37] <Pegasus_RPG> Sure. I would start just on the bugs since that's what we use the most.
[16:37] <cjwatson> Aim for each change to come in at 800 lines max
[16:37] <cjwatson> Partly because somewhat different requirements; partly because they were initially built by different subteams
[16:38] <Pegasus_RPG> ...and nobody is interested in a giant refactor I'm sure. :)
[16:38] <cjwatson> They're not totally separate, but certainly not as well-factored as they could be
[16:39] <Pegasus_RPG> Funnily enough, I haven't yet found out what language LP is written in. I'm assuming Python?
[16:39] <cjwatson> Yes
[16:39] <cjwatson> three quarters of a million lines of it
[16:39] <cjwatson> Not to scare you. :-)
[16:40] <Pegasus_RPG> Nah, Mixxx is pretty big as well, though it's C++. (We use Python for the Scons build system though.)
[16:40] <cjwatson> (Some dependencies have bits of C and such for performance, but it's almost entirely Python, built on the Zope stack.)
[16:41] <Pegasus_RPG> Is LP still actively developed? I noticed last-changed dates on some wiki pages like the roadmap are years ago.
[16:41] <cjwatson> I apologise in advance for the extremely slow bootstrap process.  It'll get better once we've finished switching to git, but I'm waiting for our sysadmins to find time to get to my buildbot upgrade ticket before we can make further progress on that ...
[16:41] <cjwatson> You can look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/launchpad/changes to see commit dates, which are somewhat more accurate
[16:42] <Pegasus_RPG> Yeah... bazaar's slowness on LP is the reason we no longer host our code there
[16:42] <Pegasus_RPG> (That and git's merge wizardry)
[16:42] <cjwatson> LP had its staffing heavily cut a few years back, and it's certainly a much smaller team than it was, but there are still a couple of us working on it.
[16:43] <cjwatson> (And several major features that have been developed since that cut)
[16:43] <Pegasus_RPG> Okay that's good to know. It has its strong points over other code-hosting/collaboration sites which is why we still use it
[16:44] <Pegasus_RPG> But we do indeed miss the integration of bugs and code/branches
[16:45] <cjwatson> Right, that was what first sold me on LP as an Ubuntu developer ten years ago or so :)
[16:45]  * Pegasus_RPG wonders if other sites expose enough info to be able to have LP yank the needed info over their APIs...
[16:45] <cjwatson> We do import a bunch of stuff.
[16:46] <cjwatson> Not anything like merge proposals, though.
[16:46] <Pegasus_RPG> Yeah... the biggest reason we use the other site we do is the ease of doing merge proposals, discussions, comments, etc.
[16:47] <Pegasus_RPG> It would at least be great if LP could monitor the APIs and auto-link a bug to someone's merge proposal on the other site.
[16:47] <Pegasus_RPG> But one thing at a time. :)
[16:48] <Pegasus_RPG> I assume there are plans to have LP work as seamless with Git as it does with Bazaar?
[16:49] <cjwatson> Pegasus_RPG: It almost does today.  Just a few remaining bits of parity and some tidying up of the merge proposal UI.
[16:49] <Pegasus_RPG> oh sweet
[16:50] <cjwatson> I think the only missing features are translations integration, useful subscriptions, and RSS feeds.
[16:51] <Pegasus_RPG> On that train of thought, I told LP to import our trunk from the other site, and it did, along with the branches, but there's no facility to specify in a series that the code for that series is in one of those already-imported branches. Should I file a bug on this?
[16:51] <cjwatson> For Bazaar or Git?
[16:51] <Pegasus_RPG> Git
[16:51] <Pegasus_RPG> "If the code is already in a Bazaar branch registered with Launchpad link the branch to this series. "   I need that but for Git
[16:52] <cjwatson> The association with Git branches is somewhat deliberately weaker than with Bazaar.
[16:52] <cjwatson> Mainly because Git branches are more ephemeral in database terms, and often in practice too.
[16:52] <cjwatson> Why specifically do you need a hard database-level association (as opposed to e.g. writing something in the series description)?
[16:52] <Pegasus_RPG> How so? We treat our git branches pretty much like we did Bazaar ones
[16:52] <Pegasus_RPG> we make them for stable release series as well as bug fixes
[16:53] <cjwatson> LP doesn't get to intervene when git branches are deleted in the same way that it does when bzr branches are deleted
[16:53] <cjwatson> So having a hard association with a series is problematic
[16:53] <Pegasus_RPG> Oh I guess I don't. It would just make it more convenient to see the link on the series page in the same place.
[16:54] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1580167
[16:54] <mup> Bug #1580167: Hide the "Code for this series" UI in projects that are configured to use git <confusing-ui> <git> <lp-code> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580167>
[16:54] <cjwatson> (That said, we might need to tackle this if we do translations integration)
[16:55] <Pegasus_RPG> (BTW, mup is including the > in the URL, making it not directly clickable.)
[16:56] <cjwatson> I'm not sure I have any idea who runs mup; I /ignore it :-)
[16:57] <Pegasus_RPG> (or it's my IRC client...)
[16:57] <Pegasus_RPG> Testing: <https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1580167>
[16:57] <mup> Bug #1580167: Hide the "Code for this series" UI in projects that are configured to use git <confusing-ui> <git> <lp-code> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580167>
[16:57] <Pegasus_RPG> yep, my client, sorry
[16:58] <cjwatson> The <URL> convention is reasonably old, although it's always been disputed
[16:58] <cjwatson> If we did a series link for git, I think we'd have to do the same kind of thing we do for MPs, where you can have a link but the link is allowed to go away.
[16:59] <cjwatson> i.e. stored as repository + a text column for the branch; the link changes style when it stops referring to anything; and deleting the entire repository checks and either prevents deletion or breaks the link
[17:00] <Pegasus_RPG> Sound good to me
[17:01] <Pegasus_RPG> When one imports a Git tree so it can be reached at lp:project, is it made to look like a bazaar tree to LP or does it fully understand Git at this point? (e.g. if I did bzr branch/checkout lp:project, would that work?)
[17:01] <cjwatson> It's native.
[17:01] <cjwatson> No bzr/git translation in either direction is involved.
[17:01] <Pegasus_RPG> ok good
[17:01] <Pegasus_RPG> so that command would fail
[17:01] <cjwatson> Yes
[17:02] <cjwatson> lp:turnip (historical reasons ...) is the slightly specialised git server; it uses git send-pack/receive-pack for most of the hard work, but has some translation layers on top.
[17:02] <cjwatson> e.g. so that we don't have to move storage around when its logical location in the LP taxonomy changes
[17:06] <Pegasus_RPG> okay checkout of lp:launchpad done
[17:06] <Pegasus_RPG> err branch
[17:06] <cjwatson> You're going from https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/LXD ?
[17:06] <cjwatson> (If not, I strongly recommend doing so)
[17:08] <Pegasus_RPG> uh no, https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting
[17:08] <Pegasus_RPG> oh crap, thanks for the warning
[17:10]  * cjwatson edits that a bit
[17:13] <cjwatson> You can do the Running/LXD bit and then run utilities/rocketfuel-setup inside the container in the branch you now have checked out (possibly moving it into the right place first; you can have it be somewhere other than that page says, but you need to adjust ~/.rocketfuel-env.sh if so, so depends how strongly you feel about your homedir layout)
[17:52] <Pegasus_RPG> I first need to upgrade my kernel, heh
[19:20] <Pegasus_RPG> Does anyone know if there is an OAuth API for LP/Ubuntu One so that we could have people use their LP credentials to access our wiki for example? Searching the Web only refers to the now-defunct one.ubuntu.com service.
[19:21] <Pegasus_RPG> Similarly, can people use other OAuth ID providers (e.g. Facebook) to log in to Launchpad?
[19:24] <cjwatson> Other services can authenticate against login.ubuntu.com, which is the same as login.launchpad.net (just a different frontend hostname).
[19:24] <cjwatson> However, it is not possible to use other providers to sign in to Launchpad.
[19:25] <cjwatson> login.ubuntu.com is an OpenID provider.
[19:25] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/OpenID
[19:27] <Pegasus_RPG> OpenID 2.0 or OpenID Connect?
[19:27] <Pegasus_RPG> looks like 2.0
[19:32] <Pegasus_RPG> Unfortunately that is falling out of favor and OpenID Connect (based on OAuth) is taking its place


[00:37] <bigjools> mwhudson: I have done very little testing on arm (read: none, personally), as rbasak was managing that side of things.
[00:37] <mwhudson> bigjools: i figured out the problem
[00:37] <mwhudson> bigjools: and filed a bug
[00:37] <bigjools> cool
[00:37] <mwhudson> bigjools: sorry for the noise
[00:37] <bigjools> no problem
[00:37] <bigjools> in terms of crap I see on IRC, this is *not* noise :)
[00:38] <mwhudson> :)
[01:04] <bigjools> roaksoax: we added an api helper to help with the sru migration thing you and I talked about: https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/api-update-cluster/+merge/160641
[01:04] <lifeless> &^*&$*%$\
[01:04] <lifeless> ^- noise
[01:05] <bigjools> lifeless: bless you
[02:47] <bigjools> mwhudson: are you using raring or quantal, or perhaps both?
[02:48] <mwhudson> bigjools: precise
[02:48] <bigjools> argh
[02:48] <mwhudson> at least, maas is installed on precise
[02:48] <bigjools> from the PPA, please say from the PPA
[02:48] <mwhudson> yes, from the ppa
[02:49] <mwhudson> 1.2+bzr1373+dfsg-0+1374+170~ppa0~precise1
[02:49] <mwhudson> if you want to tell me how to get my raring lxc an ip address on the lan...
[02:53] <bigjools> does lxc not have bridged networking?  I know nothing about lxc...
[02:53] <mwhudson> not in an easy to set up form it seems
[02:53] <mwhudson> just nat
[02:53] <mwhudson> it's probably not hard if you know what you're doing
[03:20] <lifeless> mwhudson: there is a bridge device
[03:20] <lifeless> mwhudson: lxcbr or some such; you can just configure lxc to use a different bridge
[03:20] <lifeless> mwhudson: and put *that bridge* onto the LAN via /e/n/i + brtools.
[03:21] <mwhudson> lifeless: ok, most of the howtos around on the internet seem to involve editing the config of eth0 and that scares me a bit
[03:21] <lifeless> mwhudson: note that when you do this, your own lan config needs to move to the bridge
[03:21] <mwhudson> because the server is in the uk and i am not
[03:21] <mwhudson> ah right
[03:21] <mwhudson> see abouve :)
[03:21] <lifeless> mwhudson: right, and?
[03:22] <mwhudson> well, i just don't want to break the hosts lan config
[03:22] <lifeless> fair enough
[03:22] <mwhudson> i'll see about getting serial console access and then play with it
[03:22] <lifeless> you could futz around with nat rules but thats way harder
[03:23] <mwhudson> yeah that doesn't appear
[03:23] <mwhudson> *appeal
[08:23] <rvba> rbasak: Hi Robie, would you mind having a look at bug 1172966 at your earliest convenience?  I'm pretty surprised to see that bug because, as I say in my comment, we've tested installation on ARM nodes everyday.
[08:39] <rbasak> rvba: ack - I've responded in the bug
[08:39] <rvba> ta
[09:00] <rvba> rbasak: is there a way to log inside the node and get the info about the U-Boot version?  Because for some reason, I cannot connect to the machines using ipmitool.
[09:18] <rbasak> rvba: I'm not aware of any way to do that, sorry. There might be a special wasy that Rob Herring would know, but I don't know it.
[09:19] <rbasak> rvba: if you can't connect with ipmitool, perhaps there is already something connected and logging the serial output?
[09:22] <rvba> rbasak: something like a rsyslogd on the MAAS server?
[09:23] <rbasak> rvba: in the lab I developed it on, I set up conserver to keep an ipmitool running, so everything got logged to /var/log/conserver. Not sure about what's going ione in the MAAS QA lab though
[09:24] <rvba> rbasak: I don't think there is anything like that in the QA lab.
[14:07] <AskUbuntu> When will Raring make it to "Released" status in MAAS? | http://askubuntu.com/q/285960
[17:39] <jlondon> Howdy. I asked a while back if there was a way to have different partition schemes for different servers in MaaS. Is this possible?
[20:09] <AskUbuntu> How do you actually configure DHCP in MaaS? | http://askubuntu.com/q/286175


[06:38] <bdmurray> does kde help center support docbook?
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> yea it does bhuvan
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> err bdmurray
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> bhuvan: sorry about the hilight
[06:41] <bhuvan> Admiral_Chicago: i dont understand what you mean by that!?
[06:42] <bhuvan> Admiral_Chicago: oh, i assume it was typo
[06:42] <Admiral_Chicago> it was bhuvan
[06:42] <bdmurray> Admiral_Chicago: I was looking at a bug regarding celestia
[06:42] <bdmurray> and the handbook being unavailble
[06:43] <bdmurray> but I'm feeling clueless
[06:43] <Admiral_Chicago> got a link?
[06:44] <bdmurray> to the bug?
[06:44] <bdmurray> it is 91308
[06:46] <Admiral_Chicago> looking
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, perhaps request the uploaded to celestia to look at it
[06:51] <nixternal> bdmurray: docbook yes, xml no
[06:52] <bdmurray> how does kde help know what file to look for?
[06:52] <nixternal> .desktop
[06:52] <nixternal> errr, I take that back
[06:53] <nixternal> .desktop or it is installed in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en
[06:53] <nixternal> replace en with country code of course
[06:54] <nixternal> kstars is the kde equivalent I believe
[06:55] <bdmurray> nope, there is no equivalent to celestia
[06:55] <nixternal> hehe
[06:55] <bdmurray> if you haven't seen it you should check it out.
[06:55] <nixternal> I don't see celestia documentation in the package
[06:55] <bdmurray> there is a docbook.gz
[06:56] <bdmurray> index.docbook.gz
[06:56] <nixternal> found it
[06:56] <nixternal> index.docbook is what KHelpCenter needs
[06:56] <bdmurray> I gunzip'ed it and it didn't help
[06:59] <nixternal> I am going to run a quick debuild on it to see where it places the kde documentation
[07:00] <bdmurray> I got it figured out
[07:00] <bdmurray>  /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/celestia
[07:00] <bdmurray> the are 2 problems afaict
[07:00] <bdmurray> index.docbook is gzipped
[07:01] <bdmurray> and the .desktop file has no reference to it
[07:01] <bdmurray> I unzipped it on my installed package and added info about where to find the docbook file and worked
[07:02] <nixternal> hrmm, it won't even build on my machine
[07:03] <bdmurray> I'll try and fix it / package it tomorrow
[07:03] <nixternal> I would just move the src/celestia/kde/doc/celestia/*.jpg and *.docbook into /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/celestia/
[07:04] <nixternal> is it building the index.docbook as a .gz file?
[07:04] <bdmurray> yes afaict
[07:05] <nixternal> the .gz file would go in /usr/share/doc/celeste
[07:06] <nixternal> but that won't get picked up by KHelpCenter though
[07:06] <bdmurray> so a .gz file won't work with khelpcenter?
[07:07] <nixternal> nope
[07:08] <nixternal> only .docbook
[07:08] <nixternal> or .html
[07:08] <nixternal> kde docs are .docbook and kubuntu docs are .html..so I have to build out the xml into html for the packaging


[09:13] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[10:22] <elacheche_anis> Hey Kilos :)
[10:22] <craigbrash> hello :)
[10:29] <Kilos> hi elacheche_anis craigbrash
[10:30] <elacheche_anis> Wassup!! :) :)
[10:31] <elacheche_anis> Kilos: read my email?? → https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-africa/msg00039.html
[10:32] <Kilos> ok
[10:32] <Kilos> i have before
[10:32] <Kilos> whats changed
[10:33] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[10:33] <elacheche_anis> I was asking you read it :p
[10:33] <Kilos> oh
[10:34] <Kilos> i did before and the idea is good for peeps that can have a pc online 24/7
[10:35] <elacheche_anis> Kilos: You're right in everything, excepting 1 thing :)
[10:35] <Kilos> what
[10:36] <elacheche_anis> "the idea is good for peeps that can have unlimited Internet 24/7" :D
[10:36] <elacheche_anis> When you want to join the project you can ask for a FREE little router that you connect to you unlimited Internet source :)
[10:36] <elacheche_anis> No need for your PC :)
[10:39] <craigbrash> but not everyone has unlimited internet :(
[10:41] <elacheche_anis> I know craigbrash..
[10:41] <elacheche_anis> As we need more RIPE PROBES in aFrica I though that I should ask you guys to help.. Maybe you can help :)
[10:56] <craigbrash> i have fibre at home although not fixed IP will check your link :)
[11:10] <pieter2627> elacheche_anis: does it require a fixed IP?
[11:20] <craigbrash> Have joined and applied
[11:52] <elacheche_anis> Oh great craigbrash :D
[11:52] <elacheche_anis> No pieter2627, no need for afixed IP..
[11:53] <elacheche_anis> It requires nothing! Just a 24/7 working internet.. Even the hardware they ship it pre-configured..
[11:54] <elacheche_anis> I applied for a 2nd probe today to host in @work fibre..
[11:59] <nizarus> elacheche_anis, where we can apply for a probe ?
[12:00] <elacheche_anis> nizarus: in here → https://atlas.ripe.net/apply/


[12:54] <pavlushka> Hi every one!
[12:57] <pavlushka> in my LP A/C, I dont find a "report a bug" button in the bugs tab, rather I need to select a bug, open the bug's page, there I see the "report a bug" button but that button registers the bug for that specific package, then I need to change it manually.
[12:58] <pavlushka> is there any easier way in LP?
[13:00] <cjwatson> you can start from the project or distribution you want to report the bug against
[13:01] <cjwatson> e.g. for bugs against Launchpad itself, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad has a "Report a bug" link
[13:31] <pavlushka> thanks cjwatson!


[08:29] <dholbach> good morning
[08:42] <Madpilot> morning
[09:30] <elky> topyli, jussi01, tsimpson, seveas found http://i.imgur.com/HL1ZR.jpg to be an appropriate thing to link -ot to. Could one of you have a word with him please
[09:38] <tsimpson> elky: I'm going to bring this up with the other ircc members, I doubt he'll listen to just one of us asking him to behave and I feel some sort of "official" action is required
[09:39] <tsimpson> imo, he's been stepping over the line a lot lately, and if he was anyone else something would have been done
[09:39] <tsimpson> which is not a valid excuse for nothing being done...
[09:39] <elky> yeah, and i don't feel like invoking his fanclub right now
[10:16] <jussi01> Tm_T: Tm_T... I found your new plasma theme... :D http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ascii1.png
[10:18] <Tm_T> jussi01: believe or not, I've been designing something that kind
[10:18] <jussi01> Tm_T: yeah, I beleive you....
[10:27] <jussi01> Peoples, If I may remind you all to contribute to the OP guide at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nhandler/OperatorGuide
[10:28] <jussi01> We still have some empty categories
[10:28] <jussi01> You all have wiki rights, so please, lets see some edits :)
[10:32] <Tm_T> "rule #1 Dont do like I do"
[10:32]  * Tm_T hides
[14:45] <elky> is the ban list full again?
[14:48] <elky> nope, looks fine
[14:55] <gord> oh, that reminds me
[15:09] <elky> the webchat took in the order of minutes to sync so i could quit it, it's probably being hammered
[15:49] <Trek> is there an ubottu command that talks about some topic making someone uncomfortable?
[15:49] <Tm_T> !stop
[15:49] <Tm_T> hmm
[15:50] <Tm_T> perhaps there better ones, but that's the one I know
[15:50] <Trek> i searched the factoids db, didn't see anything
[15:50] <Trek> where do I recommend an ubottu edit?
[15:51] <Tm_T> just spout them to ubottu and they will be directed to here
[15:51] <Tm_T> Trek: or, discuss in -irc about 'em
[15:51] <Trek> *shrugs* so I could just go to -irc and bother them?
[15:52] <Trek> that works for me :P
[17:08] <Trek> is @lart broke
[17:08] <Trek> on ubottu
[17:08] <Trek> oh, it was removed...?
[17:08] <jpds> Trek: Just off I guess.
[17:09] <Trek> *shrugs*
[17:09] <Trek> i guess someone issued the command unload lart
[17:09] <jussi01> !lart
[17:09] <Trek> figures
[17:09] <Trek> i wonder who disabled it...
[17:09] <Trek> *shrugs*
[17:09] <jussi01> o/
[17:10] <Trek> *stares at jussi01 with a blank expression on his face*
[17:10] <Trek> er...
[17:10] <Trek> s/blank/neutral
[17:10] <jussi01> Trek: is there an issue?
[17:11] <Trek> not really, just wondering why it was turned off, I kind of liked the larts it had
[17:11] <Trek> not that I like lartting
[17:11] <Trek> just that it had some good larts in its database
[17:11] <Trek> *goes off to find a copy of the Ubottu lart database*
[17:11] <jussi01> Trek: #ubuntu-irc is a better place for this discussion
[17:11] <Trek> yah i know
[17:11] <Trek> i'm just talking is all :P
[17:11] <Trek> i'm leaving now anyways
[18:04] <jussi01> Trek: what can I help you with?
[18:04] <Trek> i was going to ask whether Ubottu was lagging, it took a few minutes to respond to a PN
[18:04] <Trek> PM*
[18:05] <Trek> i chalked it up to high network congestion
[18:05] <Trek> sorry for dropping in
[20:22] <Trek> is anyone watching the #ubuntu channel for unruly peoples?
[20:23] <Trek> we could use an op to talk someone down
[20:28] <mneptok> dealt with
[20:32] <TheSheep> anybody had problems with nikolam recently?
[20:35] <jussi01> TheSheep: ^^
[20:35] <jussi01> TheSheep: in otherwords, yes
[20:36]  * jussi01 prods at mneptok
[20:40]  * jussi01 goes to bed
[20:41] <Tm_T> jussi01: sleep well
[20:42] <mneptok> nikolam: yes?
[20:42] <mneptok> nikolam: you were banned after repeated attempts to inform you of channel policies were met with "go away"
[20:43] <mneptok> nikolam: this tells me you're not listening to the advice, will not follow the policies, and are dismissive of and unconcerned with the channel guidelines.
[20:43] <nikolam> why am I on this channel? I am not op.
[20:43] <mneptok> nikolam: i banned you from #ubuntu, and forwarded you here.
[20:43] <nikolam> mneptok, I never kicked in LIFE from channel
[20:44] <nikolam> And I was always polite. I was telling messages from bot are annoying.
[20:44] <mneptok> nikolam: well, that just changed, due to your dismissive attitude.
[20:44] <nikolam> And numerous people incuding you find that amusing.
[20:44] <mneptok> 13:22 < nikolam_> mneptok, please GO AWAY
[20:44] <nikolam> My attitude is>
[20:44] <mneptok> 13:24 < nikolam_> mneptok, go away, with messages, will you
[20:45] <mneptok> that is not polite.
[20:45] <nikolam> Bots are annoying. I like people better.
[20:45] <nikolam> And no, when someone spamming me with messages for no reaseon thta is not polite.
[20:45] <mneptok> i am a person. and when i told you politely what the channel rules are, you told me to "go away"
[20:46] <nikolam> I think channel rules are also do not spam people on channel and you are doing it.
[20:46] <nikolam> Ok, I am stoping this conversation
[20:46] <mneptok> as is your perogative.
[20:46] <nikolam> You acted very much wrong
[20:46] <Tm_T> nikolam: trying to tell you how the channel runs is not spamming
[20:47] <nikolam> And I have no reason to continue being stupid
[20:47] <nikolam> Tm_T, well, when 7 people tryes to "help" you about thayt, including Bot messages, that is mostly that
[20:47] <nikolam> all i did is ONCE changed nick i were not changing for Eons
[20:48] <nikolam> ok, have a good nighs
[20:48] <nikolam> night
[20:48] <mneptok> nikolam: you could have replied, "OK, sorry. i did not know that nick changes for /away were not welcome. i will stop." and the discussion would have ended.
[20:48] <mneptok> *sigh*
[20:48]  * TheSheep remarks upon the paradox of messaging someone who you think is a bot to go away
[20:49] <mneptok> nikolam: do you wish to discuss this issue further?
[20:50] <nikolam> yes and no. Not now . other time perhaps.
[20:50] <mneptok> then please leave this channel until you are ready t talk about it. notice the /topic
[20:51] <nikolam> I leaved it i think I mistakingly joined. Can I join on ubuntu now?
[20:51] <mneptok> no.
[20:51] <nikolam> reason?
[20:52] <mneptok> because you are still dismissive of the rules, and do not see any problem with your behavior when people are trying to inform you of the rules.
[20:52] <nikolam> I am not dismissive to the rules
[20:52] <nikolam> And yes I find spamming about rules annoying after 2-3 years on channel
[20:53] <mneptok> when someone tells you "this is the rule" the correct response is not "GO AWAY"
[20:53] <nikolam> I did nothing wrong
[20:53] <nikolam> When people spam you with messages and you actually do not know who is op, then it is.
[20:53] <mneptok>  /msg ChanServ access #ubuntu list
[20:54] <nikolam> Maybe next time i should respond back with Pvt with that, i see
[20:54] <Tm_T> nikolam: the answer is never "go away"
[20:54] <mneptok> 13:24 < Trek> !op | nikolam_ is being unruly (in my opinion) in #ubuntu
[20:54] <mneptok> 13:24 < ubottu> nikolam_ is being unruly (in my opinion) in #ubuntu: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) -  elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici,  jpds, gnomefreak, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia!
[20:54] <nikolam> Tm_T, is that something wrong. I see maybe someone would think it about channel , i see
[20:54] <mneptok> after that i said:
[20:55] <mneptok> 13:24 < mneptok> nikolam_: this channel has a policy of discouraging nick changes for /away status. once again, please abide by channel policy.
[20:55]  * Amaranth shakes his fist at mneptok
[20:55] <mneptok> to which you responded:
[20:55] <mneptok> 13:24 < nikolam_> mneptok, go away, with messages, will you
[20:55] <nikolam> mneptok, maaaan please i think it enough for one day
[20:55] <mneptok> nikolam: so, if you had been reading carefully, you would have known that an op was informing you of the rules.
[20:55] <nikolam> you simply wont let me on ubuntu and to end this
[20:56] <nikolam> I think that sub-analyzing someones every move is ridiculous
[20:56] <nikolam> I now understand your resoning
[20:56] <nikolam> Still dont thing you are right to kick. ban me
[20:57] <mneptok> you are entitled to your opinion. we are entitled to enforce channel policies. not only the /away nick change policy, but the CoC and the IRC Guidelines.
[20:57] <nikolam> and thats it
[20:57] <nikolam> please let me back on channel, if not, thats your choice
[20:57] <nikolam> i dont want to talk all day about channel policies
[20:57] <mneptok> and telling people to "GO AWAY" is not in line with either the CoC or IRC Guidelines
[20:57] <nikolam> you are whong.
[20:57] <nikolam> eod
[20:58] <topyli> nikolam, sorry to interfere, but it's not a right, it's a duty. it's easy to follow the rules and that's all
[20:58] <topyli> aww
[21:01] <nikolam> please stop redirecting me here
[21:01] <nikolam> I am not an op
[21:19] <mneptok> stop trying to join a channel you're banned from and it won't happen.
[21:21] <jpds> mneptok: Remove the forward?
[21:22] <topyli> agreed, he knows the way here
[21:23] <mneptok> go for it. i have to run a mission to the USPS.
[21:23] <mneptok> anyone is welcome to adjust that ban of mine to remove the forward.
[21:25] <maco> ya hear that, kurt? you're "whong"!
[21:27] <maco> nikolam: if you stop trying to join channels you're banned from, you won't end up here
[21:29] <Tm_T> nikolam: also, the ban wont be removed until you have discussed about it to satisfaction
[21:30] <jrib> why +r #ubuntu?
[21:34] <jrib> nhandler: is the +r in #ubuntu on purpose?
[21:35] <nhandler> No
[22:40] <cached> hey how come I'm banned from offtopic?
[22:40] <cached> last time I could go there and that was like a couple weeks back, I still had access before i logged off
[22:41] <cached> Could someone help me?
[22:59] <topyli> @login
[22:59] <topyli> @btlogin
[22:59] <Tm_T> nikolam_: hi
[23:00] <topyli> just a second cached
[23:03] <topyli> cached, your ip has been banned
[23:09] <topyli> cached, you were banned back when you were still called cyberbluntz
[23:20] <topyli> @mark cyberbluntz 's ip returning as 'cached', seemingly oblivious of reason to ban. no idea if same guy or different
[23:21] <topyli> hrm. can you change those? i should have added the channel (-ot)
[23:21] <topyli> meh
[23:22] <topyli> @mark cyberbluntz #ubuntu-offtopic ip returning to -ops as 'cached', seemingly oblivious of reason to ban. no idea if same guy or different
[23:22] <Tm_T> topyli: we need some tool for op stuff, similar what lernid is for meetings&stuff
[23:22] <Tm_T> topyli: where we can click easily those ban stuff
[23:23] <topyli> Tm_T, we have tools, thry're just not topyli-friendly enough
[23:23] <topyli> Tm_T, now you're talking
[23:23] <topyli> :)
[23:23] <Tm_T> I've been talking all the time?
[23:23]  * Tm_T hides
[23:24] <topyli> we have people like t simpson who absolutely rocks the bots and other tools, we'll be fine as long as we don't let them sleep
[23:26]  * genii breaks out the extra-caffeinated coffee
[23:26] <Tm_T> genii: meeting in 30 minutes
[23:26] <topyli> :)
[23:27] <genii> Tm_T:  in #u-meeting ?
[23:27]  * genii checks the fridge
[23:28] <Tm_T> genii: yes
[23:28] <genii> OK
[23:28] <topyli> night-owls european team meeting
[23:29] <genii> topyli: But I'm a North American!
[23:32] <topyli> genii, you're still welcome to any party i'm sure!
[23:32] <genii> Hah, OK
[23:36] <Tm_T> someone might like to look #u if I'm not awake
[23:38] <genii> I just banned "amanda1" from #k for hit-n-run URL spam some pages at www.mdhjakten.se   > Just a heads up they may migrate to some other channels
[23:39] <Tm_T> he is in #u
[23:39] <topyli> thanks
[23:41] <Tm_T> bah


[01:55] <DeviceZer0> roughly how often is the 0.24 branch of mythbuntu updated? I had been running 0.23-fixes and it was rarely updated in the last couple months...i switched to 0.24 yesterday and today there is already a update.
[01:56] <tgm4883> DeviceZer0, every time there is an upstream change
[01:56] <DeviceZer0> Im just cuious if they are built daily? Or just coincidence that i installed 0.24 yesterday and then today was a update
[01:56] <tgm4883> 0.23 isn't developed anymore
[01:56] <DeviceZer0> Ah. Ok.
[01:56] <DeviceZer0> gotcha.
[01:56] <tgm4883> it's built daily if there is an update
[01:56] <tgm4883> otherwise on build
[01:56] <DeviceZer0> I was unsure if it was like a nightly type thing
[01:56] <DeviceZer0> yea
[01:57] <DeviceZer0> thats awesome. Just what i was wanting.
[01:57] <DeviceZer0> Thanks :)
[17:03] <mrand> DeviceZer0: it was coincidence that you got a 0.24 update... they are getting rarer and rarer.
[17:42] <skaet> superm1,   not been sufficient testing on the current images for beta2 or at least so the iso tracker indicates.    Any update?