[00:08] <theFATMAN> my system tray has ....disappeared(not visible in the panel), how in the world do I get it back?
[00:12] <genii> theFATMAN: kde3 or kde4?
[00:13] <theFATMAN> genii: kde3
[00:14] <theFATMAN> genii: i have looked all thru the system, i cant find a way to add it
[00:16] <ArcticNekoTeraDy> !ghost > ArcticNekoTeraDy
[00:16] <dwidmann_laptop> theFATMAN: run the command "kicker"
[00:17] <theFATMAN> dwidmann_laptop: thanks
[00:18] <theFATMAN> dwidmann_laptop: nada
[00:18] <theFATMAN> dwidmann_laptop: didn't work, mate
[00:21] <dru> whats the command to disuse the mouse and jeyboard in vbox?
[00:22] <dru> *keyboard
[00:25] <themonotone> kde 4.1 looks like its going to rock my socks
[00:26] <theFATMAN> my system tray has ....disappeared(not visible in the panel), how in the world do I get it back?
[00:29] <Lynet> theFATMAN: Right-click panel, select add to panel, add Notification Area.
[00:29] <theFATMAN> Lynet: trying now
[00:30] <theFATMAN> applet or application?
[00:30] <Lynet> Oh, wait. That's for ubuntu not kubuntu, didn't notice the k in the channel name.
[00:31] <Lynet> It is fairly similar in kubuntu, but I don't remember the exact name of the tray.
[00:32] <Lynet> Speaking of which, 4.0.80 packages ready yet?
[00:32] <Dragnslcr> Lynet- possibly tomorrow
[00:33] <dsaasd> oooh crap
[00:33] <dsaasd> im in a huge connundrum
[00:34] <dsaasd> i just uninstalled linux but grub was still installed and now i cant load windows
[00:34] <dsaasd> can anyone help me please?
[00:34] <Lynet> dsaasd: You need to clean the master boot record.
[00:35] <dsaasd> yea ive been reading up on that but to do that i need to be in windows and use the command fdisk /MBR
[00:36] <Lynet> or a not completely stone-age dos boot floppy.
[00:36] <dsaasd> where can i aquire one of those :S
[00:37] <theFATMAN> Lynet: srry m8, the wife needed me, I don't see notification area anywhere
[00:39] <Lynet> dsaasd: FreeDOS' fdisk should be able to do it.
[00:39] <theFATMAN> Lynet: srry m8, the wife needed me, I don't see notification area anywhere
[00:40] <dsaasd> ahh kk
[00:40] <dsaasd> thank you
[00:40] <dsaasd> i will try it now
[00:40] <dsaasd> but first to find a floppy
[00:40] <dsaasd> XD
[00:41] <Lynet> theFATMAN: I'm in ubuntu/gnome right now, don't remember the exact name of the systray in kubuntu.
[00:41] <Lynet> theFATMAN: But it should be in there somewhere. :)
[00:41] <theFATMAN> ok......lol
[00:41] <theFATMAN> u know this is the kubuntu channel, right?...lol
[00:42] <Lynet> theFATMAN: I noticed that *after* my first answer to you. ;-p
[00:42] <theFATMAN> ha ha ha
[00:44] <jparishy> Does anyone know what dri2proto is, or where the package is that i can get?
[00:47] <jparishy> i found it nevermind.
[00:47] <dru> help
[00:48] <dru> im running out of disk space and dont want to move my partitions for extra space to be made ....what is a "excess"file clean up utility
[00:48] <dru> can anyone point me to such an application please
[00:48] <pushax> hi all.  how do I add cdrom device points in the /dev directory.  for some reason I don't have any on my laptop
[00:49] <`jAguAr> how do i configure kde4 to start up properly... right now, all it shows is a blue splash screen, not even a kmenu or any icons :(
[00:49] <dru> pushax ....are you trying to do a network boot ?
[00:50] <prince_jammys> !info kdirstat | dru: maybe this:
[00:50] <pushax> dru: nope I want my cdrom working
[00:51] <pushax> dru: already got os installed.  just no cdrom.
[00:51] <`jAguAr> pushax, then just edit ur /etc/fstab file ;)
[00:51] <pushax> dru: for some reason in /dev I have no /dev/scd1
[00:52] <pushax> `jAguAr: how do I had the /dev points.  I already know about fstab
[00:52] <theFATMAN> pushax: corrupt install maybe?
[00:52] <dru> pushax see that wasnt clear....where did your /dev points go more specificly what did you do to cause the system faliure...most wanted information....has your cd rom ever worked with the current set up
[00:52] <dru> prince_jammys thanks man
[00:52] <dru> thats just waht i needed
[00:52] <dru> pushax ....sdc1 dosnt mean cdrom usualy
[00:53] <dru> it may very well be in your case but it could be hiding under a new /name
[00:53] <`jAguAr> how do i configure kde4 to start up properly... right now, all it shows is a blue splash screen, not even a kmenu or any icons :(
[00:53] <pushax> dru: I think it disapeared when kernel upgraded or 64bit mode was used
[00:54] <dru> pushax ...it runs correctly via boot *livecd?
[00:54] <dru> same kernel?
[00:54] <tuxwulf> How to prepare a USB harddrive? It is now unpartitioned.
[00:55] <pushax> dru: it's running perfect bar no cdrom.  I installed in past no problems and it was working.  then one day I noticed it gone
[00:55] <pushax> in /dev I have no cdrom points
[00:55] <dru> hmmm
[00:55] <dru> waht about media .... or mnt
[00:56] <pushax> ubuntu formums are  down so I cna't search for solutions
[00:56] <pushax> the cdrom works in dos mode
[00:56] <dru> if theres nothing in the cdrom it probly leaves it out as a *dead device
[00:56] <prince_jammys> pushax: google shows some forum threads that might be relevant, but ubuntuforums.org is down for maintenance at the moment
[00:56] <pushax> dru: it wont mount as there is no device to attch it to
[00:56] <dru> have you tryed the auto mounter?
[00:57] <pushax> prince_jammys:  and dru.  I might try later when the forums are up.  thanks for the advice
[00:57] <bascule> tuxwulf: how did you unpartition it? Use the same tool to repartition it :)
[00:57] <prince_jammys> pushax: look at the google 'cached' version
[00:57] <bascule> or if it is brand new, well I like cfdisk
[00:57] <tuxwulf> bascule: It's a new disk
[00:58] <dru> pushax : sudo bash diskmounter
[00:58] <bascule> OK, well try sudo cfdisk /dev/<name>
[00:58] <bascule> tuxwulf: ^
[00:58] <bascule> ok, that will maybe do to
[00:58] <dru>  just give him gparted
[00:58] <dru> :D
[00:58] <bascule> yeah, I can't think of a KDE disc tool you know
[00:58] <bascule> but I just love cfdisk
[00:58] <pushax> dru: didn't work for some reason.  I may not have diskmounter installed
[00:59] <dru> youll need to wget it
[00:59] <dru> lemme see
[00:59] <dru> wget http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/scripts/diskmounter
[00:59] <dru> sudo bash diskmounter
[01:00] <dru> then :rm diskmounter
[01:00] <bascule> tuxwulf: try gparted, it is nice enough as a GUI tool
[01:00] <tuxwulf> bascule: Thanks
[01:01]  * bascule has never used gparted
[01:01] <dru> it will do your entire fstab fro you and ....all your media will have their mount pionts ...and "stuff"
[01:01] <dru> :P
[01:16] <jparishy_> I'm back :D Does anyone know why I don't have the glxint.h header file? I have all of the packages installed
[01:23] <tuxwulf> bascule: Works like a charm!
[01:23] <tuxwulf> Thanks!
[01:23] <tuxwulf> & dru
[01:24] <theFATMAN> my system tray has ....disappeared(not visible in the panel), how in the world do I get it back?
[01:26] <bascule> tuxwulf: welcome enjoy it, p.s. If you want FAT32 file system, mkfs.vfat -F32 /dev/<whatever>
[01:26] <bascule> maybe gparted allows that, I dunno
[01:26] <deamon3> how can i install my CANON PIXMA ip 1000
[01:32] <mrksbrd> !wine
[01:36] <mrksbrd> has anyone attempted to install itunes using wine?
[01:37] <bascule> it is suckage extreme -5 from useability perspectivr
[01:38] <bascule> it just seizes and stuff, forget it, sorry :(
[01:38] <bascule> I go tit installed fine, it just doesn't run in any way at all really
[01:39] <theFATMAN> mrksbrd: hey there is an itunes clone in adept
[01:39] <bascule> if it is for an iPod, try amarok, it is pretty good
[01:40] <theFATMAN> i luv amarok
[01:40] <mrksbrd> does it have capability to upload to ipod w/o any other software or special installs?
[01:40] <bascule> !ipod
[01:40] <bascule> try that
[01:40] <rick_> hello, i used to be able to do reset an ide device using 'hdparm -w device'. after a recent upgrade, the drives become /dev/sd* and hdparm does not handle those. sdparm does not seem to have a similar function. does anyone know how I can send a lowlevel reset command in the hardy? thanks
[01:40] <mrksbrd> k...i'll check that out....ty
[01:40] <bascule> np
[01:41] <theFATMAN> my system tray has ....disappeared(not visible in the panel), how in the world do I get it back?
[01:41] <bascule> remove and re-add, right-click configure panel remove from panel - system tray -- ad it back
[01:42] <theFATMAN> its not in the menu
[01:42] <bascule> rick_: hdparm -w no go on SATA, hmmm .. well hdparm -y spins my spare down, but why are you -w'ing it anyway?
[01:43] <bascule> r-click icon - panel menu -remove from panel - system try, if not there goto add to panel, and do that ..... OR killall kicker -> alt+f2 kicker
[01:43] <theFATMAN> how do i change the system from metric?
[01:44] <theFATMAN> my local is new york, but still metric
[01:44] <ordodk> seems my linuxmce installation of lirc doesn't have mceusb2 built in (lircd --driver=help doesn't list it) - is there a way to "re-apt-get" it to do it?
[01:45] <rick_> bascule: its a cf card reader and it does not support hotplugging. the machine is for creating cf images. so after making one image, i would like to eject and put another card in. before i could umount, -w it and mount the device again straight away. otherwise i'd have to reboot
[01:45] <theFATMAN> fixed the panel
[01:45] <rick_> bascule, btw it's a cf card reader connected via ide
[01:45] <bascule> rick_: arrgh, can you rmmod and modprobe the driver?
[01:47] <bascule> could also go for the DANGEROUS! /etc/init.d/udev restart
[01:47] <jparishy_> anyone here use a macbook with kubuntu/ubuntu?
[01:47] <bascule> or force-reload, well ther are a few to try anyway
[01:48] <rick_> bascule: i'm not actually sure which driver except the libata and others, i have other ide drives connected also
[01:48] <theFATMAN> anyone know how to configure the system tray manually?
[01:49] <bascule> yeah, that is it, I ould not go for that
[01:49] <bascule> rmmod sata driver is almost certainly fatal
[01:49] <simula> i know fstab mounts partitions during startup... is there a config file that can mount a partition on an sd card when it is plugged into a running kubuntu system?
[01:49] <simula> besides just a manual sudo mount?
[01:50] <bascule> hald *should* do that
[01:50] <rick_> bascule: reloading udev is a bit drastic i think. I just tried and it seems to work, except it hangs for a while (a minute or two)
[01:51] <simula> thanks bascule, i'm looking into hal
[01:51] <bascule> ah, well it is a pretty extreme problem, actually swithching cards should be easy, but then again if it is IDE and not USB, things are odd
[01:51] <bascule> simula: sure
[01:52] <simula> bascule... the thing is that i want the sd card's partition's UUID to auto-mount it to a specified mount directory (here's hoping hal will do it :)
[01:52] <rick_> bascule, yeh i wouldve used usb ones but this is for our robots and those were already bought...
[01:52] <bascule> it should, I know little about hal actually
[01:53] <rick_> i shouldn't have upgraded :(
[01:53] <bascule> rick_: OK, it is an unusual problem
[01:53] <bascule> try a custom kernel, get a straight tarball form kernel.org nd go from there
[01:54] <rick_> bascule: the device is still the same ide, how come all of a sudden they all changed to scsi?
[01:55] <bascule> I don't know why :)
[01:56] <bascule> bye! bed time
[01:56] <rick_> bascule: okay, i was hoping i didn't have to do that though. anyway it's not super crucial, i can wait a few minutes in between images. thanks for your help!
[01:57] <bascule> welcome, maybe think of some other way later, but I am tired :)
[01:57] <bascule> o/
[01:58] <rick_> bascule, thanks i'll try other wzays. good night
[02:01] <domux_> hi everyone
[02:04] <USMarine> hi french
[02:05] <theFATMAN> how do i change the system from metric?
[02:05] <USMarine> metric rocks
[02:05] <USMarine> you gotta change your locale i believe
[02:05] <avihayb> I second that
[02:06] <theFATMAN> USMarine: whats up, my local is in new york, but its still metric
[02:06] <BluesKaj> even the US gallon is wrong
[02:06] <theFATMAN> ok guys, i just am not familiar with metric
[02:06] <USMarine> locale not local
[02:06] <USMarine> !locale
[02:07] <BluesKaj> original gallon is 4.54L (Imperial) ..US = 3.78L
[02:07] <theFATMAN> you know what i mean
[02:07] <theFATMAN> !off topic
[02:07] <theFATMAN> lol
[02:07] <USMarine> owned
[02:07] <BluesKaj> why change ...the rest of the earth is metric
[02:08] <USMarine> uk should also change from driving on the right
[02:08] <USMarine> so americans are not behind on everything
[02:08] <domux_> im not french finnally a lil bit
[02:08] <theFATMAN> ok, this is the kubuntu SUPPORT channel, not the express your opinion channel
[02:08] <USMarine> is your locale correct?
[02:08] <theFATMAN> yep
[02:09] <USMarine> where is metric system used?
[02:09] <domux_> yep
[02:09] <theFATMAN> .................
[02:10] <BluesKaj> uk drives on the right ?...err , better not drive there USMarine
[02:10] <USMarine> could be app specifi
[02:10] <Walzmyn> Why if I mouse over an .xml file do I get a warning that something
[02:10] <Walzmyn> 's gone wrong with Armork?
[02:10] <USMarine> armork?
[02:10]  * Walzmyn grumbles about the 'enter' key getting in the way
[02:11] <Walzmyn> Amarok
[02:11] <theFATMAN> watch out guys, USMarine is the spelling police
[02:11] <Walzmyn> sorry
[02:11] <theFATMAN> lol
[02:12] <Walzmyn> So anyway, why does just mousing over a file give me an error?
[02:13] <USMarine> nice post i've just read
[02:14] <USMarine> [quote]
[02:14] <USMarine> I'm anti-imperial and would normally say get rid of all imperial support but since this is Linux we are talking about I realize I have to let it stay in the spirit of freedom to customize your system.
[02:14] <USMarine> Note: I live in USA and I want my computer to use the metric system so please no US Americans saying this is a conspiracy against USA.
[02:14] <USMarine> [/quote]
[02:14] <theFATMAN> counter-productive
[02:14] <USMarine> but this is related to coutry choice
[02:14] <USMarine> country*
[02:15] <theFATMAN> not relevant to the question
[02:15] <Walzmyn> I support the metric system every inch of the way.
[02:15] <USMarine> i mean the metric usage is related to the country choice
[02:16] <Walzmyn> why are we discussing the metric system?
[02:16] <theFATMAN> i am not against the metric system, my question is: how do I switch on my system? i dont want to use metric, lol
[02:17] <Walzmyn> where are we talking about theFATMAN ? dates and such?
[02:17] <theFATMAN> Walzym: everything
[02:17] <USMarine> currency
[02:17] <m_tadeu> hi everyone....
[02:17] <theFATMAN> i dont understand wy, it went to metric after the kernel update
[02:18] <Walzmyn> where do you live, theFATMAN ?
[02:18] <Walzmyn> hello m_tadeu
[02:18] <USMarine> tried reconfiguring the locale?
[02:18] <theFATMAN> and i can't sort out how to fix it
[02:18] <m_tadeu> when an application crashes, shouldn't apport be lunched
[02:18] <theFATMAN> NY
[02:19] <m_tadeu> I mean, instead of the standard kde crash handler
[02:19] <Walzmyn> theFATMAN, Kmenu>>system settings  >> Regional & Language
[02:20] <jparishy> Once I install xserver-xorg-video-intel, how do enable the drivers? I am in the newest release, i think
[02:21] <USMarine> jparishy system settings
[02:21] <theFATMAN> locale is set to NY, but still metric, not Imperial
[02:21] <Walzmyn> jparishy, try Kmenu >> system >>hardware drivers manager
[02:21] <jparishy> I did, and it doesn't show up in there for some reason.
[02:21] <joe__> ?
[02:22] <Walzmyn> theFATMAN, just change it manually to imperial
[02:22] <theFATMAN> Walzmyn, i am trying, bro, but how?
[02:23] <USMarine> theFATMAN look under /etc/environment
[02:24] <Walzmyn> theFATMAN, i've got a drop down menu under the "other tab" that lets me pick metirc or imperial
[02:24] <Dragnslcr> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Country/Region -> Other
[02:25] <theFATMAN> sweeet, thank you sirs, and i am embarrassed that i didnt see it. i didnt think to look under 'other', lol...i was looking for measurment, etc.
[02:26] <USMarine> ...
[02:26] <theFATMAN> .....
[02:29] <mneptok> ..   ... .--. . .- -.-   -- --- .-. ... .
[02:29] <theFATMAN> (.)(.)
[02:29] <theFATMAN> now she wants her beads, lol
[02:29] <BluesKaj> ["Y"]
[02:30] <theFATMAN> ha ha ha
[02:30] <USMarine> | .
[02:30] <USMarine> . |
[02:30] <USMarine> just playing pong...
[02:30] <theFATMAN> lol
[02:44] <jparishy> Well, that wen't well :|
[02:45] <jparishy> Had to use my backup xorg.conf
[02:45] <jparishy> So any other suggestions?
[02:56] <genii> jparishy: Please recap your situation
[02:57] <jparishy> I'm trying to get direct rendering enabled on my macbook which runs kubuntu
[02:59] <genii> So you've tried for instance DRI settings in xorg?
[03:00] <jparishy> :|
[03:01] <jparishy> I haven't, though if anyone else wants to help
[03:03] <DJG9282> Don't know if anyone can help me. I'm new to Linux and i used the Live CD today to see if i had any hardware issues. I found out i did and it was the wireless network not working...it couldn't find my card...is there anyway to get this working through the Live CD or must i install the whole package.
[03:04] <mneptok> DJG9282: what wireless chipset?
[03:05] <DJG9282> Its an Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945
[03:08] <mr--t> http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ linux driver here
[03:15] <Agent_bob> why would aumix only have two settings ?     on everything except this lappy it has 6 or more  ;/
[03:15] <Agent_bob> there is only main and igain ?
[03:16] <Agent_bob> no pcm no mic no nothing
[03:18] <Unknown> mneptok: sorry, this is DJG9282, typical windows froze so i didn't get any of your responses
[03:19] <larry> Can someone please help a newbe to irc? I see a lot of names in the right panel but only see 2 or 3 messages being posted. Is there something else I should be doing to see all posts?
[03:20] <Agent_bob> larry no.
[03:20] <mr--t> http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ linux driver here DJG9282
[03:20] <STSX> larry: It's just that not alot of people are posting--you're not missing anything. :)
[03:21] <larry> Agent bob thanks
[03:21] <Agent_bob> larry if you want to see a lot of chatter /join #ubuntu   it's always busy.
[03:21] <larry> STSX thanks
[03:21] <Unknown> ok i am guessing that there is no way to get the chipset to work on a live CD that i must install it first
[03:22] <mneptok> DJG9282: ensure the any hardware switch is turned on
[03:23] <Unknown> ok when i say newbie i mean newbie...where is the hardware switch located
[03:25] <mr--t> uasually on laptops you use the funtion key in combo with a key that has a little antenna symbol on it
[03:26] <mr--t> the functions a typically a different color  blue matbe

[03:26] <Unknown> hmm have to look at that...i just got a newer computer today....so i'm still learning the thing...i just upgraded from a pentium 366 so i was really in the dark ages
[03:26] <Agent_bob> and it say [fn]
[03:26] <mr--t> thanks bob
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> Unknown: lol
[03:27] <Agent_bob> Unknown i'd like to upgrade to your old hardware....
[03:28] <Unknown> Agent_bob: oh yeah...your stuck in the ice age huh? haha
[03:28] <Agent_bob> p1 100mmx with 610m hdd
[03:28] <larry> Is this a proper place to ask for help with a problem?
[03:28] <mr--t> yes
[03:29] <Unknown> whoo hoo there i go...
[03:29] <Agent_bob> larry probably.  but it does depend if  it's kubuntu related or not.
[03:30] <larry> ok, thanks...can someone tell me how to set up different backgounds on different "deskktops" in kubuntu?
[03:30] <Agent_bob> although we do often answer some very generic linux questions and even a winderz Q or two
[03:30] <Agent_bob> right click the desktop    configure
[03:31] <Unknown> ok so what i really wanted to do is play with the live CD for a while before i installed it...that way i don't look like an idiot in front of my wife...does it matter when i turn this hardware switch on when i am logged into the Live CD? or it doesn't matter? and with the website you gave me...i can also just burn it to a CD and install it through there i am assuming?
[03:31] <Agent_bob> lol @ Unknown
[03:32] <mr--t> I thought whoo hoo ment success
[03:32] <Unknown> yeah my wife isn't too thrilled that i just got a new computer and completly want to wipe of VISTA
[03:32] <Unknown> of-off
[03:32] <Agent_bob> i liked the "idiot in front of..."  part
[03:33] <mr--t> you dont have to wipe it you can dual boot
[03:33] <bdog> how do you make compiz the default?
[03:33] <Agent_bob> Unknown so buy her one and....   sorry i'm not supposed to give advice here.
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> bdog: use the desktop effects application
[03:33]  * Agent_bob retracts statement
[03:34] <larry> Agent bob...when I do that, and select a background, it applies that background to both (I'm only using 2 desktops)  desktops. I would like to have diferent background for each, it that is possible.
[03:34] <bdog> it isn't starting?
[03:34] <Unknown> i read up on the dual boot thing and i was reading that Vista has some type of recovery thing at the end of the partition that could cause problems
[03:34] <Agent_bob> larry kde3 or kde4 ?
[03:34] <Unknown> unless you ahve a more realiable source i can read up on?
[03:34] <Unknown> ahve=have
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> Unknown: Linux has figured that out (used to be a problem)
[03:35] <Unknown> so 8.04 should figure it out automatically?
[03:36] <mr--t> unknown it doesn't take long for the free community to fix problems
[03:36] <larry> Agen bob...hmmm.....let me see if I can figure out which I am using....
[03:36] <Unknown> that maybe true...but whos going to fix my problem if i couldn't even get to the free community :)
[03:36] <Agent_bob> kmenu help about kde
[03:37] <mr--t> good point lol
[03:37] <fatherTheresa1> dick!
[03:37] <fatherTheresa1> YOUR A DICK
[03:37] <bdog> i need /usr/bin/compiz --replace to load automatically
[03:37] <Agent_bob> !ops | fatherTheresa1 needs help.
[03:37] <nalioth> fatherTheresa1: let us be civil
[03:38] <bazhang_> fatherTheresa1, no language like that here please
[03:38] <Jucato> turtle...
[03:38] <larry> Agen bob.....kde 3.5.9....
[03:38] <nixternal> rabbit
[03:38] <Agent_bob> Jucato while you are here.
[03:38] <Jucato> uh oh...
[03:38] <Unknown> any of you know of a walk thru i can read up on to do a dual boot to VISTA and kubuntu...
[03:38] <Jucato> that's why I hate to show that I'm here :)
[03:39] <Jucato> Agent_bob: how may I be of service?
[03:39] <Agent_bob> Jucato would you tell larry where the setting is for background for vertual desktop two ?
[03:39] <Jucato> larry: right-click on the desktop -> Configure Desktop. there should be a drop down list at the top where you get to choose "All Desktops" or Desktop 1, Desktop 2, etc
[03:40] <Agent_bob> Jucato thank you.
[03:40] <Agent_bob> i knew it was in there somewhere but i don't even have kde on this system so couldn't pin point it.
[03:41] <larry> jucato: when I do that, it only gives me "All Desktops" or nothing.....doesn't show Desktop 1 or Desktop 2, etc.
[03:41] <Jucato> larry: when you click on the arrow beside "All Desktops", doesn't a list appear?
 Agen bob.....kde 3.5.9....  <<< Jucato  fyi
[03:42] <Jucato> Agent_bob: yeah. because KDE 4 doesn't allow you to do that yet :)
[03:43] <Agent_bob> yes that's why i had him confirm what version.
[03:44] <Agent_bob> heh    the "<Jucato> turtle... <nixternal> rabbit" thing just soked in    :)))
[03:44] <larry> jucato: when I click on the arrow, it only shows "All Desktops" and a "blank" space in the drop-down....no Desktop 1 or Desktop 2 selections..
[03:44] <mr--t> hey guys how do you do the little "asides" like mr--t face is red  or mr--t kicks himself?
[03:45] <Jucato> larry: are you using compiz?
[03:45] <Jucato> mr--t: /me <action>
[03:45]  * Jucato like this
[03:45] <mr--t> yes
[03:45] <Jucato> right, you type /me <then the message you want to appear>
[03:45] <Agent_bob> /me something...
[03:46]  * Agent_bob something
[03:46] <mr--t> me/ didn't realize it was that easy
[03:46]  * Jucato is guessing larry might be using compiz, and KDE is set to have only 1 virtual deskto so as not to conflict with compiz's viewports
[03:46] <Agent_bob> /me != me/
[03:46] <Jucato> mr--t: you have to put the / before the "me"
[03:46]  * mr--t yeah im red faced
[03:47] <DJG9282> Don't know if you saw my question before...do any of you know of a walk thru for dual booting hardy heron and windows VISTA so that i don't mess anything up...especially since this would be my first time installing linux ever!
[03:47] <Jucato> !vista
[03:47] <Jucato> hm... not that one
[03:48] <Agent_bob> DJG9282 do you have the recovery dvd for vesta ?
[03:48] <Jucato> !dualboot | DJG9282
[03:48] <DJG9282> nope
[03:48] <DJG9282> isn't that great?
[03:48] <Jucato> I think there's Vista instructions somewhere there
[03:48] <genii> Interesting. No more directing ppl to their local psychiatrist in the factoid
[03:48] <Agent_bob> DJG9282 yeah.   ;/
[03:48] <Agent_bob> genii  blame stdin...
[03:48] <DJG9282> can you see why i am a little bit nervous
[03:48] <larry> jucato: can i find out if I am using compiz by looking in the "Add/Remove Programs" list?
[03:49]  * generick is scratching head and wondering why java plugins will not work in his browser.
[03:49] <genii> Agent_bob: I'll remember to mention it to him :)
[03:49] <Jucato> larry: did you enable Desktop effects?
[03:49] <generick> hello all, seems to be busy in here
[03:50] <Agent_bob> DJG9282 i'm not the guy you want to ask that Q.   but seeing that you did.   "no. why not just do a cat /dev/zero > /dev/hdd and install linux the right way..."   would be my answer
[03:50]  * Agent_bob is a windows hater from way back
[03:50] <Jucato> generick: what package did you install to get java plugins? what browser? and 32 or 64-bit system?
[03:50] <mr--t> djg9282 a little fear is healthy
[03:50] <DJG9282> yeah especially when you have absolutly no clue what you are doing
[03:51] <mr--t> thats how you learn
[03:51] <generick> juncato: java 6.0 and 32.
[03:51] <Jucato> generick: that's "jucato" :P
[03:51] <Jucato> generick: you installed sun-java6-plugin?
[03:51] <Agent_bob> DJG9282 yeah that's why i said don't get me started on that one...     you'll have no windows... if i have my way!
[03:51] <DJG9282> well the reason why i don't want to do a fresh install is because i'm afraid i wouldn't get all my hardware to work properly...thats the one thing holding me back because the Live CD wouldnt recognize hardware
[03:52] <Jucato> if the Live CD is showing some hardware problems, there's a very good chance that an installed system would have problesm too
[03:52] <generick> jucato: yes, i used adept, instead of command line
[03:52] <Jucato> of course it can probably be fixed later on
[03:52] <DJG9282> Agent_bob: i actually want it that way...but want to be smart before i do something
[03:52] <mr--t> don't wait that long
[03:53] <mr--t> lol
[03:53] <Jucato> generick: hm.. strange that it doesn't work....
[03:53] <Agent_bob> DJG9282 also see Jucato's two posts above ^
[03:53] <DJG9282> Jucato: yeah looking at those right now
[03:53] <larry> jucato: I go to System > Desktop Effects and it opens a screen titled "Compiz Desktop Effects". There is a bullet beside "Extra Effects". Should the bullet be beside one of the other selections?
[03:53] <DJG9282> opps
[03:53] <DJG9282> sorry
[03:53] <DJG9282> that was meant for agent bob
[03:53] <Jucato> larry: no no. I was asking if you enabled Desktop Effects
[03:54] <larry> jucato: probably not, since I don't know where I should do that.
[03:54] <Jucato> larry: if yes, then that is why you don't have Desktop 1, 2 , etc. in the background configuration window
[03:54] <Jucato> hm.. ok..
[03:55] <Jucato> larry: how many virtual desktops do you have?
[03:55] <larry> where would I check to see if Desktop Effects is enabled?
 jucato: I go to System > Desktop Effects and it opens a screen titled "Compiz Desktop Effects".
[03:55] <Jucato> you already said it
[03:55] <larry> There are 2 virtual desktops showing
[03:56] <generick> jucato: sorry, works in konqueror, but not in firefox.. i am happy in konqueror..
[03:56] <Jucato> generick: hehe that's even weirder. but you're sure you installed the  suan-java6-plugin package?
[03:57] <mr--t> not the one from the java site i hope
[03:57] <generick> Jucato: yes, i will do a apt-get on it just to be sure though
[03:57] <ylhaoran> 有人在吗
[03:57] <mr--t> !ch
[03:58] <Agent_bob> !compiz | larry you might ask in the channel listed here.
[03:58] <Jucato> !cn | ylhaoran
[03:58] <Jucato> mr--t: for reference, chinese is cn
[03:58] <mr--t> thanks  i took a shot
[03:59] <Jucato> mr--t: !chinese might also work :)
[03:59] <Agent_bob> larry  /join #compiz-fusion    and ask them   they might be avle to tell you how to tell if compiz is running or not.   that will at the very least help us help you.     some times it's hard to help someone that can't answer a question.
[03:59] <mr--t>  (Y)
[03:59] <Agent_bob> larry that's not a slander against you,  we all had to learn,  it's just a statement of fact.
[04:00] <generick> apt say 'sun-java6-plugin is already the newest version'
[04:01] <mr--t> if its not installed system wide it might not work in ff
[04:01] <larry> Agent bob: I believe I stated earlier that "compiz" is installed. No "slander" taken. I understand what you are saying. Thanks for your suggestions.
[04:02] <DJG9282> Ok i think i'll probably look into dual booting. If i run into problems with the the wireless...think any one of you could walk me through the installation process...i just read the intel instructions for it...man am i confused!
[04:02] <Agent_bob> ok.  but  installed != running
[04:03] <Agent_bob> DJG9282 i'm sure someone can.   it happens here all the time
[04:03] <DJG9282> :) thanks guys have a good night or morning...whichever it is where you are
[04:03] <generick> sorry for the off topic... is there a good channel for talking about apps, I am new to the linux world and want some pointers on perfered apps for email and what-not...
[04:03] <Jabop> Hey all. I've installed lsh-server on my local box. When I try to scp from a remote box INTO my local with root, it's saying password is incorrect. I know for CERTAIN that the password is correct. What gives?
[04:03] <mr--t> DJG9282 the good news is there are linux drivers on intels website
[04:04] <DJG9282> oh thanks Mr--T i'll have to look at that...then you can direct me on how to install those :P
[04:04] <Jabop> with root=as root, forgive
[04:04] <Agent_bob> generick ##linux ##linuxhelp and #kubuntu-offtopic are all willing to facilitate discussions about linux apps
[04:05]  * Agent_bob note to self,   that would look better if spelled correctly
[04:06] <Agent_bob> !root | Jabop
[04:06] <Agent_bob> Jabop did you set a root password ?
[04:06] <DJG9282> Mr--T: just one thought came to my mind though...if intel supports linux drivers why would it not be supported ona  live CD i would think they would include that during the install?
[04:06] <Jabop> Agent_bob: yes
[04:07] <Agent_bob> Jabop is the server set to deny root login ?
[04:07] <Jabop> The problem still exists, however, I found a way around it. I just chowned the folders that I need to write to, scp'd and chowned again.
[04:07] <mr--t> I don't know but I googled your chip set and it took me to the drivers
[04:08] <Jabop> Agent_bob: That is what I am unsure about. the lsh-server is on my local box and I just installed it cause I'm not too familiar with Kubuntu, please forgive
[04:08] <mr--t> they may be new or on your system already undetected
[04:08] <Agent_bob> Jabop i'm not familear with lsh-server   openssh-server would be my choice there.
[04:09] <Jabop> Agent_bob: Fair enough. Once I get these files transfered I may give that a shot.
[04:10] <DJG9282> ok thanks :)
[04:10] <Agent_bob> Jabop beware though there may be a bug in the hardy version of sshd    check the launchpad
[04:10] <mr--t> np
[04:10] <Agent_bob> !bug | larry
[04:12] <Agent_bob> larry i have been seeing people complaining about hardy (typically upgraded to)  having problems with scp   and the issue seems to be either in sshd or the kernel.  i'm not a developer so i can't say for sure.  there should be bug reports and hopefully a patch by now.
[04:12]  * mr--t mr--t wonders what an in/wish is
[04:12] <Agent_bob> exact complaint  "scp only creates empty files"
[04:16] <Agent_bob> final thought on that,   if it's kernel side it could affect scp over any protocal i guess
[04:18] <Agent_bob> !bug scp
[04:19] <mr--t> bots asleep!!
[04:20] <ylhaoran> ??
[04:22] <genii> ubottu wake up!
[04:22] <genii> Nah just comatose
[04:24] <mr--t>  /me laughs himself silly
[04:24] <mr--t>  / me laughs himself silly
[04:25] <mr--t> / mr--t wonders how he lost the recipe
[04:27]  * mr--t whats wrong with me?
[04:28]  * mr--t the list wouldn't fit in pastbin
[04:31]  * Surfer37 Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks)
[04:32] <mr--t> That guy leaves his spam link every nite
[04:35] <mr--t> agent_bob is there anyway to block that spammer?
[04:37]  * mr--t was just wondering
[04:37] <pteague> anybody here know much about mdadm for software raid?
[04:41] <genii> mr--t: It's always from a different location so difficult to block him without accidentally blocking valid users
[04:42] <mr--t> I just don't like misuse of the channel
[04:43] <mr--t> Is he alsways surfer 37
[04:43] <genii> mr--t: No, the name varies as well.
[04:43] <pteague> http://pastebin.com/m715d8c43 :(
[04:43] <mr--t> thanks
[04:44] <genii> Always plugging the same sites though
[04:44]  * mr--t would like to kick spammers
[05:01] <frybye> hi - can somebody please remind me of some common key-combinations - like to kill an active window or call up the process manager etc..?
[05:02] <Odd-rationale> frybye:  try ctrl+esc
[05:02] <genii> Or even ctrl-alt-esc
[05:03] <frybye> thanx..
[05:03] <frybye> is there one for shutting a window (without using the process manager..?)
[05:04] <frybye> something with F4 or..?
[05:04] <genii> frybye: ctrl-alt-esc   then place X on offensive window and click
[05:05] <frybye> and when the whole pc freezes over.. how to interrupt/shut down fairly safely..?
[05:05] <frybye> ctrl-alt-delete or??
[05:06] <frybye> but only once or...?
[05:06] <genii> frybye: First see if a console can be attained, by ctrl-alt-f1 .... if so then you can kill some processes in CLI
[05:06] <genii> If you get all 3 lights on keyboard blinking together thats a kernel panic, no option then but to hard power-off
[05:07] <frybye> explain a bit pse.. (not a lota background linux knowl. here-) if I get the console open then what do i need to do to see/kill processes..
[05:07] <frybye> - put differently - what is cli - and how to use..?
[05:07] <genii> frybye: The usual thing is to use top or ps to see whats running or using most resources. ps reports a pid (number assigned to process). You kill it by sudo kill pid#
[05:08] <genii> frybye: CLI= command line interface
[05:08] <frybye> so in the cli - just enter    ps    ? or??
[05:09] <genii> frybye: ps ax       or so will give you a list of all processes for instance. You may want to pipe output to more. eg:        ps ax|more
[05:09] <genii> Since the list is long, usually
[05:10]  * mr--t wonders what happened to top
[05:10] <frybye> right.. my wireless mouse is acting up - i think I need to re-boot - (was just running flight gear - and it seems to have screwed the memory-management or simiklar... hang on a bit .. i will be back (in less than 2000 years!)
[05:10] <genii> mr--t: It's still around and working :)
[05:11] <ylhaoran_> how
[05:11] <genii> frybye: top tells you whats sucking cpu or ram
[05:13] <frybye> re...
[05:14]  * mr--t thinks she missed that last reply during reboot
[05:14] <frybye> so - sorry - tell me that ps something - more command again ..?
[05:15] <frybye> the box was hardly useable for a bit before reboot - had no choice..
[05:16] <frybye> ah ha - I see it is up above in shaded text - super..
[05:18] <frybye> heavens! whata lota processes...
[05:18] <frybye> this pc is on amphetimines.. heheh
[05:18] <mr--t> did you pipe the output?
[05:20] <frybye> mr--t: yeah - it worked fine.. i just meant it seemed to be a lot in total after scrolling..
[05:21] <frybye> (short ot query - are all you folks here in Europe or?)
[05:21]  * mr--t thinks tsr's will somday rule the world
[05:21] <frybye> tsr's ???
[05:21] <mr--t> not me
[05:22] <frybye> mr--t: whereabouts.. west coast usa?
[05:22] <mr--t> treminate stay resident programs ,no upstate NY
[05:22] <frybye> mr--t oh jeez - cant sleep/shiftworker.. eh can we go to k-offtopic?
[05:23] <mr--t>  /me wonders how
[05:23] <frybye> ok back on topic...
[05:23] <frybye> how you mean wonders how?
[05:24] <mr--t> I only started chatting a week ago ,never been off topic
[05:24] <frybye> so is there a way of killing off all the unnecessary processes autom. - is that what tsr is all about??
[05:25] <frybye> ma--t at the top of this dialoge there is a header including a link to open the #kubuntu-offtopic channel..
[05:25] <mr--t> ok
[05:25] <frybye> otherwise you can use a command here    /j #kubuntu-offtopic    <----ok?
[05:25] <mr--t> ...
[05:26] <frybye> just clicking on the (blue?) channel name with open it too...
[05:31] <AxMstrLP> stupid noob question (couldn't find the answer on the forums) -- how to i set to dolphin to use double clicks rather than single clicks?
[05:32] <krawek> control panel -> devices -> mouse
[05:34] <AxMstrLP> wow.  not the first place I would have looked.  thanks!
[05:35] <echoes> @ nixternal.  worse news.
[05:36] <sgraham> i cant believe this is this difficult
[05:36] <sgraham> i still cant use the kdm login manager im beating my head against the wall
[05:36] <echoes> rebooted & got this: The following installation problem was detected while trying to start KDE: No write access to '/home/echoes/.ICEAuthority'. KDE is unable to start.
[05:37] <sgraham> it literally crashes everytime at the sessions starting display page..takes me right back to kdm
[05:37] <sgraham> gdm works fine
[05:37] <echoes> all i could do was click ok. after that i got a little window that says: Could not start ksmserver. Check your installation.
[05:40] <echoes> i'm using a kubuntu 8.04/kde4 live disc right now.
[05:41] <echoes> nixternal?
[05:43] <endafy> how do I get KSplashX?
[05:44] <ubuntu_>  what type of file system should i use for linux backup drive
[05:44] <ubuntu_> ext2?
[05:44] <echoes> ext3
[05:44] <endafy> XFS
[05:44] <ubuntu_> which one?
[05:44] <endafy> XFS is fast
[05:44] <echoes> most common & thus most recommended would be ext3
[05:45] <ubuntu_> ok, thx
[05:45] <endafy> uses ext4
[05:45] <ubuntu_> should i make it primary?
[05:46] <endafy> yes
[05:46] <endafy> always
[05:46] <ubuntu_> gotcha
[05:46] <endafy> secondary partitions aren't used that often anymore
[05:47] <endafy> how do I get KSplashX?
[05:48] <endafy> in 3.5.9
[05:51] <SteamMachine> Heya all
[05:59] <echoes> @ nixternal. you back yet?
[06:05] <sgraham> ya that kubuntu desktop. didnt work..not only that but it wants to install dolphin..and i hate that thing
[06:06] <sgraham> something to do with when kdm hands it over to the user..it changes the resolution..
[06:06] <sgraham> why it does not do the same damn thing with gdm makes no sence to me
[06:06] <sgraham> and it is the only thing that is bothering me...its...like shitty
[06:09] <acetoline> hi, I keep getting an error in kde programs 'could not find mime type application/octet-stream'
[06:09] <acetoline> it started happening after I fiddling around with some settings
[06:12] <rm-r_C> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=118485   already used google today?
[06:14] <sportman> if i wanted to dual boot do i have to install windows first?
[06:14] <rm-r_C> !dual boot
[06:16] <console_jockey> I'm sure this is a silly question, but what software can I use to view the input from my webcam?  I've just found and installed a M318B which I can see with lsusb but I haven't a clue how to verify it's working...
[06:17] <ubunturos> sportman: always install Windows first, since only Linux distros know that 'Windows' exists. MS-Windows often ignores the fact that Linux exists
[06:17] <acetoline> sportman: I have dual-booted two machines succesfully and in both of them I installed windows first
[06:17] <ubunturos> s / Linux / Linux distros
[06:17] <sportman> acetoline: i have done it a million times
[06:17] <sportman> i just dont want to install windows first
[06:17] <sportman> cause im lazy
[06:17] <acetoline> I think it should be possible to do it both ways, if you can work the hardware succesfully.
[06:17] <sportman> just never done it without windows first
[06:17] <sportman> wanted to know if it was possible, but i just read up some on it
[06:18] <sportman> and i think i can do it
[06:18] <ubunturos> sportman: if you do so, afaik, you'll just have to re-install grub.
[06:20] <rm-r_C> acetoline: it has nothing to do with the hardware ... but with grub ... the boot leader will get deleted if you install xp after linux, that is no problem you can install it again ... it is easyer to install first xp then linux but both ways work
[06:21] <Sakui> how do I update my computer packages?
[06:21] <rm-r_C> apt-get update
[06:22] <acetoline> anyone have any ideas about my problem?
[06:23] <Sakui> sakui@pixies:~$ sudo apt=get update
[06:23] <Sakui> [sudo] password for sakui:
[06:23] <Sakui> sudo: update: command not found
[06:23] <Sakui> er...
[06:23] <arayami> it's sudo apt-get update
[06:23] <rm-r_C> sudo apt-get update
[06:23] <arayami> not =
[06:23] <Sakui> i just saw that
[06:24] <Sakui> font is a little small I guess
[06:25] <rm-r_C> Sakui: that will update the data base to upgrade your system (install the newer packages) do sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:25] <rm-r_C> always update the data base first than install new packages or upgrade your system ...
[06:26] <rm-r_C> !apt | Sakui
[06:27] <Sakui> dang, 97 updates :P
[06:27] <jon_> i just installed hardy and it has 2,6,24 generic. how can i get a real time kernel?
[06:28] <jon_> is the real time kernel in the metapackage?
[06:28] <rm-r_C> !rt
[06:28] <jon_> oh
[06:28] <jon_> is it now
[06:29] <jon_> i suppose that takes care of that, since they must have updated ubuntu studio since i last installed it
[06:29] <noaXess> hi all
[06:29] <noaXess> and good morning :)
[06:29] <jon_> thanks rm-r_c
[06:29] <Sakui> i hope someone fixed my KDE issue that I had with all of these updates
[06:29] <noaXess> i have installed firefox-2 and the mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de but firefox-2 still in english.. any idea?
[06:30] <sportman> do any of you guys use linux only
[06:30] <sportman> or do all of you use windows a little
[06:30] <jon_> im still working on my wireless card sportman
[06:31] <jon_> thats the only thing holding me back
[06:31] <rm-r_C> i have no windows installed here use xp for games only at home sportman
[06:32] <acetoline> sportman: I only use windows for interfacing with my mobile phone's PC suite
[06:32] <Sakui> my stupid mp3 player requires wincrap
[06:32] <acetoline> if Nokia made a linux version, I'd format the xp partition :p
[06:32] <sportman> acetoline:  like for me m issue is work
[06:33] <noaXess> sportman: is only use win as a virtual guest.. with virtualbox.. just for teaching
[06:33] <sportman> acetoline:  for work im working with only windows computers and they have me test stuff out
[06:33] <sportman> like i need to research some windows project management software
[06:33] <sportman> so i need to use windows some
[06:33] <sportman> sadly
[06:33] <mjponce> o/
[06:34] <rm-r_C> well virtualBox is ok for that ...
[06:34] <sportman> yea
[06:34] <sportman> i suppose so
[06:34] <noaXess> sportman: pms for windows .. use http://ganttproject.biz/
[06:35] <arayami> does anyone have any problems with virtualbox where when you change from the virtual machine to the desktop it crashes X?
[06:35] <noaXess> arayami: no prob.. i use it on diffrent machines
[06:35] <acetoline> don't be too sad, sportman. All of us have to deal with windows a bit in our lives, whether we like it or not :p
[06:35] <Sakui> goosh.org is pretty cool unix-like shell for your web browser
[06:36] <arayami> =/ it's probably cause I'm using fglrx drivers then
[06:36] <mjponce> gnuutils and cygwin helps if you use xp
[06:36] <acetoline> rm-r_C: bah, slow internet connection, I only just managed to open that link.
[06:36] <acetoline> It solves the problem, thanks!
[06:37] <sportman> thanks for the link noaXess , basically its for an interior design firm, we need a way to maintain a clients list, then orgnize the clients by difernt things, a. the consultant incharge of a client, b. type of client, c. location
[06:37] <sportman> et
[06:37] <sportman> etc
[06:37] <sportman> i mean im looking at maybe making a custom access database but i dunno
[06:37] <noaXess> sportman: check ganttproject... if it fits your use.. then :) no need to make a new one
[06:38] <mjponce> access ?
[06:38] <mjponce> really ?
[06:38] <sportman> lol
[06:38] <sportman> mjponce: thats what they wanted
[06:38] <sportman> but im researching other things
[06:38] <sportman> this gant project looks nice
[06:38] <mjponce> =((
[06:38] <noaXess> and works on win and linux ;)
[06:39] <sportman> and mac
[06:39] <noaXess> it generates xml, pdf, html,....
[06:39] <sportman> im testing it on my mac right now
[06:39] <noaXess> any a idea, why my firefox-2 won't take my de-de language locale?
[06:45] <noaXess> i got it..
[06:45] <noaXess> i needed to delete .mozilla in my home dir..
[06:46] <noaXess> it's a fresh install.. no prob to delete the .mozilla folder
[06:52] <Sakui> is there a reason why the Xorg server isn't restarting when I logout?
[06:53] <rm-r_C> to restart your x server ctrl+backspace Sakui
[06:55] <flaccid> rm-r_C, thats not how you restart the X server
[06:55] <flaccid> Sakui, most likely a bug
[06:56] <navetz_> how do you recursively remove?
[06:56] <navetz_> does rm -R work?
[06:56] <navetz_> if so, its not workign for me lol
[06:57] <Sakui> rm -rf [whatever]
[06:57] <Sakui> but not rm-rf / or you'll regret it :P
[06:58] <flaccid> yes -R or -r and not -f which is force
[06:58] <navetz_> haha
[06:58] <flaccid> navetz_, use the -v switch as well and advise the error
[06:59] <rm-r_C> flaccid: it's not? i thought that is the shortcut for /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[07:00] <mjponce> rm -rf / its a hallowen theme
[07:00] <Sakui> ^^
[07:00] <flaccid> not at all. ctrl+alt+backspc (you left out the alt) hard kills X.
[07:00] <Sakui> flaccid: i hate doing ctrl+alt+backspace.
[07:01] <flaccid> yeah its last resort if X hangs
[07:01] <Sakui> when I logout, it just hangs.
[07:01] <Sakui> every time.
[07:02] <flaccid> Sakui, yeah like i said its most likely a bug
[07:02] <flaccid> !bugs | Sakui
[07:02] <flaccid> which driver Sakui ?
[07:02] <rm-r_C> ups yes no alt :( what's the different flaccid between kill x and /etc/init.d/kdm restart flaccid
[07:02] <Sakui> nvidia not nv
[07:03] <flaccid> rm-r_C, the shortcut does kill signal. and /etc/init.d/kdm sends a graceful signal and restarts kdm
[07:03] <flaccid> Sakui, i believe there is a bug most likely still outstanding. i had a similar one with fglrx
[07:04] <rm-r_C> ok thanks flaccid i guess soft is better
[07:04] <Sakui> with xorg or nvidia drivers?
[07:04] <flaccid> rm-r_C, well neither if you want to logout. for that you select logout :)
[07:04] <flaccid> Sakui, this is with restricted drivers nvidia and fglrx
[07:04] <Sakui> k
[07:04] <flaccid> can also relate to the order of which it calls things to die
[07:05] <flaccid> Sakui, you should be able to find the bug(s) by searching launchpad
[07:05] <Sakui> ok
[07:05] <Sakui> i just hope kde-window-decorator is more stable.
[07:06] <flaccid> well it should be in normal operation. i have nvidia here as well
[07:07] <Sakui> I love kubuntu except the xorg and kde-window-decorator bug.
[07:07] <flaccid> Sakui, can i have a link to that bug?
[07:09] <Sakui> umm, i think it's compiz-effects or something....someone said that they didn't give a rats butt about k
[07:09] <Sakui> de
[07:09] <noaXess> i have a notebook with kubuntun 8.04 for children and want a tool to block some function, internet activities and so on.. any idea? or is kfirewall a choice?
[07:09] <flaccid> Sakui, there are fixes for that. its on the wiki and other sources. its not a bug.
[07:10] <flaccid> Sakui, which release are you on?
[07:11] <Sakui> 8.04
[07:11] <flaccid> !effects | saku
[07:11] <flaccid> ooops wrong person but yeah
[07:12] <flaccid> hmm where is the factoid im after
[07:13] <flaccid> Sakui, kmenu --> System --> Desktop Effects or..
[07:13] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion | Sakui
[07:14] <flaccid> the above link details the requirements for the window decorations to work properly on kubuntu/kde/compiz-fusion/nvidia etc.
[07:15] <Sakui> okie
[07:15] <Sakui> I have windows cause no 64-bit flash
[07:15] <Sakui> :/
[07:16] <flaccid> yep thats one of the annoying ones
[07:17] <Sakui> does kubuntu 8.04 support dual core?
[07:17] <flaccid> yep
[07:17] <flaccid> Sakui, this is pretty good article too: http://www.300penguins.org/?p=9
[07:22] <Sakui> flaccid: i'm looking at it :)
[07:24] <sportman> any of you guys get  Intel 3945abg
[07:24] <sportman> working?
[07:24] <Sakui> nope
[07:24] <sportman> have you tried it Sakui
[07:28] <sportman> what program should i use to connect to wifi
[07:28] <sportman> i dont see anything installed
[07:28] <sportman> for wifi
[07:29] <Sakui> damn kde-window-decorator crashed
[07:29] <sportman> thats a bummer Sakui
[07:29] <sportman> Sakui: what program should i get
[07:30] <sportman> kwifi
[07:30] <sportman> or something?
[07:30] <Sakui> i have no window manager now ;P
[07:30] <sportman> ouch
[07:30] <sportman> how did that happen
[07:30] <sportman> lol
[07:30] <Sakui> sportman: I dunno
[07:31] <sportman> im kinda sad
[07:31] <sportman> my version of kubuntu
[07:31] <sportman> is performing quite poorly
[07:31] <sportman> graphics are like choppy ish
[07:31] <sportman> even though i am running the restricted driver
[07:31] <sportman> for my nvidia
[07:31] <sportman> alright reboot time
[07:32] <sportman> wish me luck
[07:32] <sportman> ideally wifi will work
[07:32] <sportman> when i reboot
[07:35] <sportman> back
[07:35] <sportman> wireless i think works
[07:35] <sportman> :-p
[07:36] <bascule> !ebter
[07:36] <bascule> !enter
[07:36] <bascule> morning
[07:39] <Sakui> is there a system tray replacement for kde 3?
[07:40] <sportman_> anyone use any of the intel pro wireless cards in linux
[07:40] <bascule> Sakui: like a fancy zoomy mac thing?
[07:41] <emilsedgh_> Sakui: sorry!?
[07:41] <Sakui> bascule: I guess make the icons smaller
[07:42] <Sakui> and 2 rows
[07:42] <bascule> 2 rows, no, smaller is done by adjusting the size of the panel
[07:43] <bascule> right-click -> panel menu -> configure panel
[07:44] <Sakui> bascule: that's for the taskbar not system tray
[07:44] <bascule> you can have multiple panels as well though, you could have an auto-hiding one on the sideof th screen for example, I used to have my application icons there, but I find alt+F2 works so well I rarely find the need for icons at all now
[07:45] <bascule> oh the system tray specifically, well that should auto adjust to 2 rows (mine does)
[07:45] <bascule> I assumed you meant panel in general,sorry :)
[07:45] <Sakui> s'ok :)
[07:46]  * sportman_ cries
[07:46] <sportman_> fucken wireless
[07:47] <bascule> I am pretty sure it just needs th epanel to be a certain height for it to go to 2 rows
[07:47] <bascule> sportman_: language please :)
[07:47] <Sakui> I just hate that big arrow that it hides the icons.
[07:47] <sportman_> sorry bascule
[07:47] <bascule> Sakui: turn that off
[07:47] <sportman_> bascule:  i ot the wireless light to turn on, but kwifi does nothing and i cant connect
[07:48] <bascule> Sakui: in appearance -> hiding  uncheck the boxes
[07:48] <Sakui> bas: how do I hide it?
[07:48] <bascule> show  left panel <blah>
[07:53] <Sakui> brb -restarting x
[08:02] <srrouter1> Will running KDE on a Ubuntu server being used as a router have any negative effects? Its on 2gb ram with a 3.2ghz.
[08:03] <bascule> no
[08:07] <sportman_> any isight drivers available yet?
[08:07] <sportman_> wrong window
[08:10] <Sakui> so far so good
[08:10] <srrouter1> I cant remember if I asked already or not. Will running KDE on an Ubuntu Server meant for routing have any negative effect? It's running with 2gb of ram and a 3.2ghz processor.
[08:11] <djaqua> so you mean you are running kubuntu?
[08:12] <srrouter1> Well I installed from the ubuntu server ISO but installed the kubuntu-desktop package with x-windows-core
[08:12] <srrouter1> so yeah, kubuntu
[08:13] <djaqua> in my own opion, i believe kde is a faster desktop and better organized
[08:13] <srrouter1> yeah I wasnt a big fan of Gnome, I use that for my personal computer.
[08:13] <fulat2k> srrouter1: imo, it'll just use a little more ram.  just make sure you don't open any unwanted ports (rdesktop).
[08:14] <srrouter1> good call.
[08:16] <djaqua> there is such this gnome vs kde thing going on...........
[08:16] <srrouter1> KDE... mmm
[08:17] <djaqua> i'm currently using kubuntu kde4 remix with kde4 4.1 beta 1 installed and i'm very happy
[08:17] <djaqua> can't wait till final release
[08:18] <theFATMAN> where is kommando in the menu? I can't locate it
[08:18] <theFATMAN> and it is installed
[08:18] <rm-r_C> alt+F2 ---> whatever theFATMAN
[08:18] <djaqua> theFATMAN: what version?
[08:19] <theFATMAN> kde 3
[08:19] <theFATMAN> kommando=unknown
[08:19] <rm-r_C> !info komando
[08:19] <rm-r_C> !info komander
[08:19] <theFATMAN> rm-r_C:when i did run, it tried to pull up a website that didnt exist
[08:20] <eagles0513875> morning
[08:20] <theFATMAN> rm-r_C: hey, it is available and installed, I just don't know where to find it
[08:20] <srrouter1> I don't know what I would do with out my "Menu of  important system places".. I would be lost.
[08:21] <theFATMAN> lol
[08:21] <rm-r_C> the apt is called komando? theFATMAN
[08:21] <theFATMAN> rm-r_C: kommando
[08:21] <rm-r_C> !info kommando
[08:22] <rm-r_C> and alt+f2 ---> kommando doesn't do anything theFATMAN
[08:22] <theFATMAN> that doesnt help
[08:22] <theFATMAN> nope
[08:23] <rm-r_C> open a konsole and start it from there to see if there is an error theFATMAN
[08:23] <theFATMAN> k
[08:24] <ds187> guten morgen
[08:24] <rm-r_C> !de
[08:24] <bascule> easy tiger :)
[08:25] <ds187> rm-r_C: i know.......it was just the wrong channel for my morning greetings :-)
[08:27] <farhad_hf> hi all
[08:30] <Sakui> how can you use a linux computer to connect to a windows computer via remote desktop?
[08:31] <farhad_hf> i have a problem with kubuntu hardy. in logout menu the only choice is logout (power off , restart  , etc are not there). when i log out kdm does not start for loging in again, once i reconfigured kdm by this command : dpkg-reconfigure kdm     but the problem didnt solve, can anybody help me?
[08:31] <wthf> Sakui: i use rdesktop ...
[08:31] <wthf> !info rdesktop
[08:34] <Sakui> wthf: what software does the windows  computer need if it has Windows XP Pro?
[08:36] <wthf> all you have to do is allow remote desktop connections on xp Sakui
[08:37] <wthf> rdesktop ip.from.xp.computer should be enough ... but read the rdesktop --help for more options Sakui
[08:37] <eagles0513875> firefox 3 is borked
[08:38] <Sakui> k
[08:38] <eagles0513875> firefox is borked can anyone help me
[08:38] <Sakui> for 100 dollars, I can :P
[08:38] <seagan> depends on what a borked firefox is i guess
[08:39] <eagles0513875> this is firefox3
[08:39] <wthf> We are the Borg. Lower your firewall and surrender your box. We will add your biological and technological
[08:39] <wthf> distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
[08:39] <eagles0513875> lol offtopic
[08:39] <seagan> lmao
[08:40] <wthf> oh borked not borged :)
[08:40] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:41] <eagles0513875> it starts loading then randomly quits
[08:41] <eagles0513875> this is the first time im seeing this in 3
[08:43] <wthf> eagles0513875: try killall firefox-bin and start it again ...
[08:43] <eagles0513875> says no process killed
[08:44] <wthf> ok just a guess ...
[08:47] <wthf> theFATMAN: http://www.linux.com/feature/124329 Kommando usable in GNOME or Xfce
[08:47] <theFATMAN> turns out it's kde only and the default is ctrl+alt+h
[08:48] <theFATMAN> wthf:what's weird, is it isn't listed in the menus
[08:49] <theFATMAN> lol
[08:51] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm using ff3b5 and the applications list is empty under preferences.  all downloaded files i open from ff now opens with ktorrent.  any idea how i can fix this?
[08:51] <Jucato> theFATMAN: iirc, you have to start Kommando from System Settings -> Advanced -> Service Manager
[08:52] <theFATMAN> Jucato, it was already installed for me, bro, i just looked up the default on the web and...poof there it was,lol
[08:53] <Jucato> theFATMAN: um... I was telling how to run it. the last version isn't run by "kommando" in the command line or any menu entry
[08:53] <Sakui> wthf: thanks for the rdesktop help
[08:53]  * Jucato thought that was what you were asking about
[08:54] <theFATMAN> Jucato, yeah, thats what through me off, it said it wasnt there, but it was installed
[08:54] <eritrea_> I have the kubuntu 8.04 a p4c800-E motherboard and a pentium 4 chip.......my computer keeps freezing
[08:54] <frybye_> can some kind soul remind me of the gohsting command to reclaim my nick please??
[08:54] <Jucato> frybye_: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password>
[08:55] <frybye_> tks Jucato..
[08:55] <eagles0513875> Jucato: firefox3 borked for me
[08:56] <frybye> ah damn it..
[08:56] <Jucato> eagles0513875: I saw. I don't know how to help
[08:56] <eagles0513875> it was working fine last night lol
[08:58] <FisherPrice> Greetings
[08:59] <frybye> eagles - I will be happy when there is a package for the f-fox3 rc or the final comes along..
[08:59] <FisherPrice> Who knows all about samba here?
[08:59] <frybye> v3b5 makes a mess of my-yahoo.de some of the time for example..
[08:59] <FisherPrice> I have a samba question
[08:59] <Haza1> Morning folks!
[09:00] <frybye> morning Haza1
[09:00] <eagles0513875> morning
[09:00] <frybye> FisherPrice:  shoot - the suspense is killing me...
[09:00] <steve555> Morning eagles0513875
[09:01] <frybye> FisherPrice: not that I have a clue about samba but .. there you go...
[09:02] <eagles0513875> steve555: morning
[09:02] <Haza1> So folks. I need to setup the Java_HOME variable for my system (all users). Where might i find the bash file i want to edit on Kubuntu?
[09:02] <eagles0513875> !ask | FisherPrice
[09:03] <eagles0513875> now my konsole isnt working
[09:03] <eagles0513875> i borked my system
[09:03] <eagles0513875> brb goign to reboot actually
[09:04] <frybye> eagles0513875: - and if you really must you have an image - right?
[09:04] <eagles0513875> ?
[09:05] <frybye> if your system really is screwed - then the sencible answer is often (not always..) to recover with an image of the system particion or..?
[09:06] <Haza1> How does /etc/bash.bashrc sound?
[09:06] <eagles0513875> this is a testing/dev machine so i dont mind reinstalling
[09:06] <frybye> eagles0513875: as you like..
[09:10] <steve555> I've just encountered a problem using Adept-Manager,I've just clicked on the Fetch Updates button and I have three updates ready to install.So I went to Adept-Updater and It downloaded the packages for me.The trouble is when it went to install them for me,it came up with the message something like"There was a problem installing updates".so I tried sudo aptitude safe upgrade,but it came up with this error:update-alternati
[09:10] <steve555> ves: unable to make /usr/lib/midbrowser/plugins/libjavaplugin.so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/midbrowser-javaplugin.so: No such file or directory.
[09:11] <patrick_> hi
[09:11] <steve555> Hi patrick
[09:11] <patrick_> na wie gehts
[09:13] <eagles0513875> i fixed the problems i was having
[09:13] <patrick_> hi
[09:14] <patrick_> kann mir ma einer helfen bitte
[09:15] <bazhang> !de
[09:15] <patrick_> was ist das vür ein pogram ich bin neu hier
[09:17] <wthf> !de | patrick_
[09:20] <frybye> Patrick - sehe pm von mich bitte/please see pm from me explaining how to change channel..
[09:24] <frybye> wie kann ich ein /list machen der nur # mit "mehr als xx usern und weniger als yy usern" machen - habe es nur vergessen ...???
[09:24] <ActionParsnip> !de | fysaen
[09:24] <ActionParsnip> !de | frybye
[09:25] <frybye> sorry.. i had trouble swtiching langauges..
[09:25] <frybye> which command is right for getting a /list of the channels with "more than xx users and less than yy users??"
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> frybye: no idea, I just check the channel listing
[09:26] <frybye> sorry - I am trying to help patrick in a pm and -he- needs German - forgot to swich when I came back here..
[09:26] <frybye> a full /list can cause a crash cos too long or..
[09:26] <frybye> ok I see now there is a feature in the "conversation" gui,...
[09:26] <frybye> thanks..
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> np man
[09:44] <frybye> is it quiet here today...!!?
[09:44] <SlimeyPete> so far, yes
[09:45] <SlimeyPete> but it's... what... 1:45/4:45am in the U.S. and most Brits are at work
[09:45] <SlimeyPete> so not unexpected ;)
[09:46] <theFATMAN> best way to kill a run away process in konsole?
[09:46] <wthf> man kill theFATMAN
[09:48] <frybye> so being at work keeps one out of irc.. hmmm thats new.. heheh
[09:48] <frybye> ok ok it depends a bit I gues...
[09:49] <frybye> for instance when one is on a job-experiance scheme - 20% doing it support in a govt. school and 80% killing time .. then... ;)
[09:50] <frybye> not sure what it is called in English - basically a way of making it "look as if" they have less unemployed...
[09:50] <frybye> anyhow - this is all  a bit OT
[09:50] <squid0> hi. I'm having issues with knetworkmanager :( It stays connected to my home wifi LAN while I'm logged in, but when I lock the screen for more than a few minutes, when I come back it's been disconnected, and is asking for my kwallet password. What's the story??
[09:51] <frybye> wthf in consol     ps ad|more - and then kill with the pid number or..? <did I get that right??>
[09:52] <frybye> squid - looks like you are putting the pc into hibernation or similar...
[09:52] <squid0> frybye: sounds right, but I don't think that's happening....
[09:53] <wthf> frybye: ps aux | grep <for what ever program> yes or use top and press k to kill
[09:54] <frybye> wthf - i am lost.. dont have the background knowedlge to deal with a lota stuff...
[09:54] <frybye> what is top and how to use and so on???
[09:55] <wthf> frybye: all of us didn't ... use google, man and <application> --help, and irc to learn more
[09:55] <frybye> to list the processes the ps ad or ??
[09:55] <wthf> frybye: konsole --> top
[09:56] <frybye> oh that is cool - I gues I start slowly remembering unix stuff from way back too - like man <app> to get the docs...
[09:56] <wthf> all the application have a man page and a --help file
[09:56] <frybye> cant try anything right now - cos I am on a windows pc at work.. (work in the broadest of definitions-)
[09:57] <frybye> what do the letters - top - standfor in this cast - terminal something something??
[09:58] <frybye> and when you say konsole - this is the = as control panel or terminal window or ..?
[09:59] <frybye> lag?
[10:02] <wthf> !konsole
[10:13] <FisherPrice> I don't have a lot of time, but since upgrading to hardy heron my samba daemon won't load up. When i do a "sudo /etc/init.d/samba start" then "ps -A |grep smb" there's no process. Does anyone know how to fix that... I've googled it and there's nothing. I've also checked the smb.conf with "sudo testparm -s /etc/samba/smb.conf" and everything comes back OK
[10:14] <FisherPrice> sorry about that before, i was called away abruptly
[10:14] <FisherPrice> and I have to disappear again for about 1hr
[10:27] <sigma_1234> whats the command to reconfigure xorg?
[10:28] <eagles05> xorg -recofigure i think
[10:36] <darx> hello folks, how can i install kde 4.1 beta?
[10:37] <darx> anybody home?
[10:59] <Xbehave> !hotkeys
[11:00] <apparle> Is the installation procedure diffrent for desktop and Alternate CD
[11:02] <apparle> dth
[11:02] <apparle> d
[11:02] <apparle> fgh
[11:02] <apparle> c
[11:02] <apparle> f
[11:02] <apparle> sorry
[11:05] <apparle_> I have forgotten the password for my nick?
[11:06] <apparle_> sdf
[11:06] <apparle_> as
[11:07] <Rioting_pacifist> apparle yes it uses the debian installer instead of a GUI installer
[11:09] <apparle_> But is there any diffrence in the partitioning
[11:09] <Rioting_pacifist> im not sure ive only used the debain version, does the liveCD allow LVM & encryption, if so then they are the same afaik
[11:10] <apparle_> I mean to say, is there any difrence in the installation wizard
[11:11] <Rioting_pacifist> yes they use completly different tools
[11:13] <apparle_> Is there any howto for installation using alternate CD, I have only used Live Cd
[11:15] <Rioting_pacifist> not sure its all pretty much self explanitory, depends what you want to do
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> apparle_: yeah its all pretty much there
[11:16] <Rioting_pacifist> a default install is fairly simple, the installer just walks you through everything, only if your wanting to use encryption would you need a guide and even then its fairly easy to follow
[11:16] <apparle_> I am able to ghost a registerd username without any password
[11:17] <apparle_> Rioting_pacifist: I want to partition the drives manually
[11:17] <Rioting_pacifist> yeah thats fine, you can do it on liveCD too
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> apparle i believe you need password
[11:18] <apparle_> ActionParsnip: you try killing apparle without a password
[11:18] <FisherPrice> I don't have a lot of time, but since upgrading to hardy heron my samba daemon won't load up. When i do a "sudo /etc/init.d/samba start" then "ps -A |grep smb" there's no process. Does anyone know how to fix that... I've googled it and there's nothing. I've also checked the smb.conf with "sudo testparm -s /etc/samba/smb.conf" and everything comes back OK
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> FisherPrice: remove it then reinstall it
[11:20] <apparle_> Rioting_pacifist: I know how to do that with a live CD, but is there any diffrence in the method for alternate Cd
[11:20] <Rioting_pacifist> the interface is different but not really
[11:21] <apparle_> anyone can send a screen shot
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> apparle_: with alternative i believe you can install a minimal system then apt-get what you need
[11:22] <Rioting_pacifist> by default you install the same system
[11:22] <Rioting_pacifist> apple_ no the debian installer doesnt run in X so i dont know how to get a screenshot
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: got a camera?
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[11:23] <apparle_> ActionParsnip: Tried ghosting apparle
[11:23] <FisherPrice> ActionParsnip: Do you mean to purge it?
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> ive no idea what that is
[11:23] <FisherPrice> is in completely remove it
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> FisherPrice: no as that will remove settings. just remove it
[11:33] <apparle> How to update form gutsy to hardy remix
[11:34] <eagles05> !upgrade
[11:34] <eagles05> apparle:
[11:34] <eagles05> dont think u can upgrade right to remix
[11:34] <eagles05> i know u can upgrade to hardy with 3.5 then install 4 then remove 3.5
[11:35] <apparle> that's not fair
[11:36] <apparle> RAM requirement for running remix(KDE4) smoothly
[11:40] <eagles05> apparle: not sure bout ram requirement
[11:40] <eagles05> apparle: ur better off doing a clean install
[11:40] <eagles05> *youre
[11:40] <eagles05> i have run into problems in the past not sure bout the new upgrade method
[11:42] <apparle> I am going for clean install for hardy remix, is 447MB RAM enough to run system smoothly
[11:43] <eagles05> apparle: if u look on the website even for 3.5 u need a min of 320
[11:43] <eagles05> apparle: fyi the swap partition should be double the amountof ram u have
[11:45] <apparle> Anyone who is using KDE4 please tell me their RAM
[11:52] <clau30> !midi
[11:52] <FisherPrice> ActionParsnip: thanks
[11:55] <apparle> Anyone using hardy remix
[11:55] <Dr_willis> Wife picked me up a switch at a sale.. it says its a 'fast' switch.. is that 100 speed? or 1000?
[11:55] <Dr_willis> apparle,  ive used kde4 a little bit. :)  the more  i use kde4.. the more i want to go back to gnome.. :P
[11:56] <apparle> why do you say so??
[11:57] <Dr_willis> Lets see... parts of kde4 constantly crashing... never sure what part.. but parts..  the 'improved' menu seems to take me 2x as long to find anything..  and i dont really gain anything by using kde4.. at this time. :) and yes i know it will get better.
[11:57] <Dr_willis> but for now - i am using JWM + rox filer :)
[12:05] <apparle> Dr_willis: I have 512MB Ram do you think KDE4 will run smoothly
[12:06] <flaccid> apparle: it will run fine. kde4 can run faster than kde3
[12:07] <Dr_willis_> No idea apparle. Even my laptops have 2+gb ram here. :)
[12:08] <flaccid> !installatin | apparle
[12:08] <flaccid> !installation
[12:09] <flaccid> !requirements | apparle
[12:09] <flaccid> thats the one
[12:11] <eagles05> flaccid: yo
[12:12] <flaccid> howdy
[12:19] <Dr_willis_> Hmmm...  http://goosh.org/       thats.. interesting. :)
[12:19] <mortalpendrive> hello
[12:20] <Dr_willis_> whats up..
[12:29] <millak> How can I connect to different wlans without using knetworkmanager / kwallet?
[12:30] <millak> some applets have trouble at startup because they have to wait for me to open the wallet and I get annoying error messages
[12:31] <millak> or, can I set kwallet to be open at startup?
[12:32] <Dr_willis_> I thouhgt it had that feature
[12:32] <millak> not straight at it's config window at least
[12:32] <millak> but I'll google it a bit, see if there are more options in a config file or something
[12:35] <jonathan_> hello!
[12:36] <Dr_willis_> !hi
[12:37] <goliate> hi
[12:37] <goliate> ;;
[12:38] <goliate> ;
[12:38] <goliate> ;
[12:38] <goliate> ;
[12:38] <goliate> ;
[12:38] <goliate> linux
[12:38] <jonathan_> since i am using compiz with my kubuntu 8.04 the system crashs often... sometimes directly after booting, sometimes after i opened some programs and other times just while doing nothing ^^... I don't think a acten i made is the reason for this crashes. What happens: The keybord and mouse is dead (no shortcuts work) and the desctop freezes: Only the last shown image befor the crash (including the unmovable mouse) is shown. the only
[12:38] <jonathan_> oportunity i have is to restart the system with the reset-button on my pc.
[12:38] <goliate> kkk
[12:38] <jonathan_> does anyone know what causes the problem?
[12:39] <jonathan_> oh and all the other time compiz works VERY nice without problems :)
[12:40] <Dr_willis_> so if compiz is disabled - it never locks up?
[12:40] <jonathan_> no
[12:41] <Dr_willis_> no it never locks up? or No it does lockup. :)
[12:42] <sterna> my compiz is very stable, but my bzflag client segfaults regularly when running under compiz :)
[12:42] <jonathan_> it never locks up ;)
[12:42] <jonathan_> bzflag?
[12:42] <sterna> alt-f2 gg:bzflag
[12:43] <Dr_willis_> I would have to say that points to either a compiz issue, or a video card driver+compiz issue. or perhaps a video card overheating issue..
[12:43] <Rioting_pacifist> is it better to install generic or linux-amd64-k8   on an AMD64 turion ?
[12:43] <jonathan_> hm i've never heard of this gam
[12:43] <jonathan_> e
[12:43] <Dr_willis_> Drive around in tanks blowing people away. :)
[12:44] <Dr_willis_> !info bzflag
[12:44] <jonathan_> hm ok ^^ i had a lot of problems with the installing of my ati driver ^^ i think fucking ati card is the problem again... i will NEVER BUY A SHIT ATI CARD AGAIN ^^ sorry...
[12:44] <jonathan_> i gonna eat somethin ^^
[12:44] <goliate> hahah
[12:45] <Dr_willis_> ATI. :)  its only just now under hardy - i was able to get compiz working with my ati x200m
[12:45] <sterna> ATI's at least getting better
[12:45] <sterna> they're slowly releasing specs to their chipsets
[12:46] <Dr_willis_> well -  thats debateable... :)   ive not seen where their new specs have helped much yet.
[12:46] <Rioting_pacifist> jonathan_: im on ati to so it might just be ati but generally compiz has problems with DRI so 3d games dont run too well, try togelling DR for the game
[12:46] <sterna> the free driver is getting much better
[12:46] <Dr_willis_> I think nvidia and ati both need slapped untill they allow  the disrto makers to include the drivers with no legal hassles.. :()
[12:46] <sterna> not fglrx though
[12:47] <sterna> but they're not really committed, everything is going forward much slower than we'd like
[12:47] <Rioting_pacifist> Stalmanists will kill me for this but ATI releasing there spec means little compaired to Nvidia providing useable drivers
[12:47] <sterna> not really
[12:47] <sterna> nvidia doesn't even work with xorg 1.5
[12:48] <sterna> which is a real problem for fedora 9
[12:49] <Rioting_pacifist> really, well i only used ubuntu at home but nvidia never gave any problems
[12:50] <apple_> hello everyone!
[12:50] <Rioting_pacifist> but i got stuck with an ATI in this laptop and well things arnt so good
[12:50] <Dr_willis_> Im noticeing more  laptops with Intel and Nvidia chips at the stores.
[12:52] <Rioting_pacifist> i needed a replacement to my intel laptop fast and just took this one, its not great the CD drive can fall out i think thats crashes X for me a couple of times without me having a clue whats happend
[12:53] <apple_> to change a new one.
[12:53] <apple_> it's the best way.
[12:56] <reese> when I try to build apps, it can't find the X inclued. so which packages do I have to install?
[12:57] <reese> X includes*
[12:57] <Pici> reese: xorg-dev iirc
[12:57] <Pici> !xincludes
[12:57] <Dr_willis_> !find xorg-dev
[12:57] <Pici> xorg-dev is a metapackage
[12:58] <reese> thanks. what's this "iirc"?
[12:58] <Pici> reese: if I recall correctly
[12:59] <Dr_willis_>  if I recall correctly ... iirc is....  if I recall correctly
[12:59] <reese> oh, ok :)
[13:00] <reese> another issue: I've installed restricted-manager-kde through jockey-common. but in 8.04 I can't find it anymore in System Settings/Advanced. how do I run it?
[13:04] <Dr_willis_> I just run     jockey-gtk  or   jockey-kde
[13:04] <Dr_willis_> :)
[13:04] <Dr_willis_> They changed the name of it in the menus i think.
[13:06] <reese> thank you again
[13:09] <felix_e> riddell: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/upgrade2.png referenced from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu is dead
[13:10] <jonathan_> and how can i toggle dr for 3d-games?
[13:10] <jonathan_> or dri
[13:11] <Riddell> felix_e: hrm
[13:11] <Riddell> I don't think I have a copy of that
[13:12] <felix_e> probably not the best idea to link to an image from a "tmp" folder from the official docs :)
[13:22] <Rioting_pacifist> !acerhk
[13:29] <Haza1> Hey there again folks. How might i go about create (windows like) shortcuts to .sh files for execution?
[13:29] <Haza1> I want to create two shortcuts for apache tomcat, startup and shutdown :)
[13:30] <jawee> on KDE, just take and drag the sh file to somewhere else like your desktop
[13:30] <jawee> when yuo let go, slect Link here from the option list
[13:30] <Haza1> Oh really
[13:30] <jawee> I believe that should work
[13:32] <erythrocyte> anyone here ever tried adobe's flash 10 plugin on opera? was wondering if it works
[13:36] <Dr_willis_> given how flakey flash can be... I aint even going to LOOK at flash 10 for a long time
[13:36] <erythrocyte> Dr_willis: i hear ya :)
[13:38] <erythrocyte> hey can kooka do multipage pdfs? was wondering if there's a howto anywhere to do it
[13:42] <Tophat> morning.
[13:42] <apple_> install linux
[13:42] <Tophat> im having an issue with my kubuntu installation, i updated to kde4 and now i can't find any of my programs that im installing (I.E. firefox) not in the applications menu anywhere
[13:43] <apple_> i want to install linux from hdd,but it get into emergency shell.who can tell me how to get init to the normal modle!
[13:43] <sredna> hi
[13:46] <sredna> broken ¤%#¤&%/%&
[13:50] <erythrocyte> hello? is there a way to create a multipage pdf on kooka anyone?
[13:54] <frybye> after reading a man document in the terminal window - how do I exit it and return to a prompt?
[13:54] <frybye> erythrocyte: I was reading man kooka .. did you try kooka --help-all   ??
[13:54] <Pennycook> frybye: q
[13:55] <frybye> control q or..?
[13:55] <Pennycook> Just q.
[13:55] <frybye> tks penny..
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:56] <erythrocyte> frybe: lemme try that and get back
[13:58] <frybye> erythrocyte: what format does it normally produce..??
[13:58] <erythrocyte> frybye: unfortunately neither the manual nor the man page has anything
[13:58] <erythrocyte> that command didn't provide any relevant info
[13:58] <frybye> I had never heard of the programme - am a newbie in some respects...
[13:58] <Rioting_pacifist> !acer
[13:58] <frybye> perhaps someone else .. did you ask google???
[13:59] <erythrocyte> frybye: well, normally when you scan an image it lists out a host of options png, postscript, etc....everything except pdf
[13:59] <frybye> pdf is one of the last options one can find mostly.. they have to liscence some code from adobe or...?
[13:59] <erythrocyte> frybye: yes i did...and the only pdf related stuff i came across was that apparently kde progs use a pdf printer...
[13:59] <frybye> a converter will be the way I guess...
[14:00] <erythrocyte> the thing is to output a pdf, you need to goto File>Print and then select the pdf printer
[14:00] <erythrocyte> but i don't know what to do for it to combine all my scanned images
[14:00] <erythrocyte> i just switched to xsane out of the frustration
[14:00] <sredna> is it known that 32bit firefox with 32bit java is broken on 64bit systems?
[14:01] <Rioting_pacifist> sredna: its not, well it wasnt when i was on gutsy
[14:01] <sredna> Rioting_pacifist: since today i can not use my web bank, which is my sole reason for having ff at all :-(
[14:03] <Rioting_pacifist> does it completly not work?
[14:03] <frybye> sredna - there are ways of installing ff3 on 64x system - a sys-eng did it here for me...
[14:03] <sredna> frybye: so what?
[14:03] <frybye> not sure if the java is 32bit .. (i am a relative newbie..)
[14:03] <sredna> Rioting_pacifist: something else does, not my bank
[14:03] <frybye> so what - you were saying that it dosent work or..?
[14:04]  * sredna would prefer konqueror having secure java support
[14:04] <sredna> frybye: why would i want ff3?
[14:04] <frybye> the same reason as a few million other users I guess..
[14:05] <frybye> <--- is not looking for an argument this afternoon - at 32°C it is just too hot for that...
[14:05] <Rioting_pacifist> how do you no its java and not your bank
[14:05] <Rioting_pacifist> *know
[14:06] <sredna> ff generally sucks at rendering webpages, compared to khtml or webkit :-)
[14:06] <sredna> even to ie8
[14:06] <frybye> had very little trouble with ff3 b5 but as you wish...
[14:07] <sredna> my bank simply makes the sucker freeze :(
[14:07] <erythrocyte> sredna: doesn't konq have a security manager for java?
[14:07] <frybye> I am going to fly around a bit to relax - bye folks - run flight gear... whooosh....
[14:08] <Rioting_pacifist> cba with this but generally that's not true ff renders more pages fine, sure it doesnt have the same fonts as webkit ect but each to thier own
[14:10] <theFATMAN_> how do you make the windows translucent? the actual windows, not just the border
[14:10] <Rioting_pacifist> theFATMAN_ is this with compiz or just kde
[14:11] <theFATMAN_> kde+compiz-fusion+emerald
[14:11] <Rioting_pacifist> alt + scroll
[14:12] <theFATMAN_> lol, its always somethin simple.....is there a way to keep the borders the same?
[14:14] <Rioting_pacifist> i dont think so, maybe emerald has an option somewhere but i doubt it compiz isnt as option friendly as beryl was
[14:14] <theFATMAN_> i'll look, recreating the theme from the kid in die hard 4
[14:14] <theFATMAN_> his desktop
[14:15] <BluesKaj> !compiz | theFATMAN
[14:15] <theFATMAN_> BluesKaj: too little too late homie, i know the biz, thanx tho
[14:16] <BluesKaj> theFATMAN I should have quoted this : further help in #compiz-fusion
[14:21] <simi> how i change in the file manager (delphin) to open folders and fies using double click not single click?
[14:22] <jawee> simi: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/disable-single-click-opening-of-files-in-kde/
[14:25] <simi> jawee: thx
[14:26] <hadack> hello
[14:26] <hadack> i need
[14:26] <hadack> help
[14:26] <jawee> simi: You're welcome :)
[14:26] <hadack> about kubuntu
[14:26] <goliate> welcom
[14:26] <goliate> ok
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> hadack: ask... on one line
[14:29]  * genii hands nosrednaekim a coffee
[14:36] <JuJuBee> In the process of trying to tweak my ATI dual head setup, I am afraid I hosed it completely.  I have, what appears to be a dual head setup up to the login screen.  Mouse moves across the desktop between 2 monitors.  Right after I press login, it reverts to cloning.  Can someone assist?
[14:48] <Sakui> hi
[14:49] <jawee> hello
[14:49] <Sakui> sup?
[15:04] <JuJuBee> Can someone assist with an ATI dual head issue?
[15:06] <genii> JuJuBee: If kdm is ok, settings in your xorg.conf must be overriding. Perhaps put the relatively empty one back in that is the default one.
[15:07] <JuJuBee> genii : I have tried to go back, still not working.
[15:07] <JuJuBee> I have dual up to login screen, but soon as I login, goes to clone
[15:09] <JuJuBee> genii : do I need the ATI drivers from ATI or with the ubuntu ones do?
[15:09] <JuJuBee> I would like to start fresh if possible
[15:10] <genii> JuJuBee: Usually the packaged ones are fine.
[15:10] <JuJuBee> How do I get back to them>?  I have installed the AIT ones already
[15:11] <JuJuBee> I made a copy of my xorg.conf right after the last fresh install of 7.04
[15:11] <genii> JuJuBee: sudo apt-get install --reinstall xorg-driver-fglrx
[15:12] <genii> Will put ati
[15:14] <rav> Hello. I just installed Smb4k on Kubuntu, and using the same config options as a Fedora 8 box connected to the network, I can't connect with mine. What could be the problem?
[15:17] <hadack> sqlut
[15:17] <hadack> salut
[15:17] <jawee> ?
[15:18] <hadack> des nouvelles sur Ubuntu
[15:18] <jhutchins_wk> !fr
[15:18] <pim> !fr
[15:18] <jhutchins_wk> Hah.
[15:18] <ArkanToa> oki
[15:19] <genii> Apologies on lag. Work needed me
[15:23] <avihayb> I'm heaving some trouble with an LG burner. has anyone heard anything about that?
[15:23] <jawee> expound. I have an LG burner with no problems.
[15:24] <rav> are there compatibility issues between different versions of Smb4k? Another box with v.0.8.6 can connect, but I can't with v.0.9.3
[15:24] <avihayb> the damn thing won't let me mount some disks, while others, it would mount but only partialy read them
[15:25] <avihayb> some files (few) read fine, while others produce IO errors...
[15:25] <genii> rav: Is the kubuntu box network settings manually configured or is it on dhcp or so?
[15:26] <rav> genii: the kubuntu is on a wireless network, using dhcp. the other is on a cable
[15:27] <BiteyBite> !sticky keys
[15:27] <avihayb> entering some folders on them causes some programs to lock, the drive to lock, and the only way to shutdown the system that seems to work is via the shutdown command, only the shutdown process won't end because it's always buisy with trying to read logical block 176....
[15:27] <genii> rav: And they are on compatible range?
[15:29] <rav> genii: yes. I can get into each of the machines apache pages from the other. but the Kubuntu smb network browser shows nothing
[15:29] <BiteyBite> my numlock button is behaving opposite to what it shud..any idea how to fix it
[15:29] <BiteyBite> ?
[15:29] <John_S> If I'm trying to upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy through the update manager, is there a way to stop it and resume later? Or do I have to lose what I've all ready downloaded and start over?
[15:31] <genii> rav: Does it work if you switch to wired on that same box?
[15:31] <nosrednaekim> it wshould save what you have downloaded so far
[15:31] <BiteyBite> my numlock button is behaving opposite to what it shud..any idea how to fix it?
[15:31] <BiteyBite> or can some one tell me from where i get access to sticky keys option?
[15:32] <rav> genii: I just used smb://  on Konqueror and it worked. It might be a problem of the Smb4k user interface
[15:35] <genii> rav: Google is spitting back lots of results indicating Knetworkmanager and smb4k don't play nice together
[15:35] <errpast> BiteyBite, xen and xmodmap will help you know what your keys are mapped to
[15:36] <genii> rav: Also old but perhaps relevent http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=220912    maybe check properties of these files
[15:39] <rav> genii: I tried to browse through Dolphin, and I got a message saying that it can't find any workgroups, maybe because an active firewall
[15:39] <Haza1> How come when i move to another desktop i can still see my open windows in other desktops in the taskbar?
[15:40] <Haza1> Is there a setting i can change?
[15:41] <genii> rav: Did you install some firewal like Firestarter or Watchdog?
[15:41] <BiteyBite> errpast: when i turn off numlock i can type numerics from number pad n if i turn it on it doesnt type anything from there.any idea what might be cusing it?
[15:43] <rav> genii: i don't know much about iptables, so I use Kmyfirewall with the default config. From what I can gather, the problem is that I can't see the workgroup. I can go into the machines if I type their address directly
[15:45] <BiteyBite> how do i deactivate all sticky keys?
[15:45] <nosrednaekim> system settings somewhere :P
[15:46] <genii> rav: I'm thinking this is likely the issue then. Perhaps read up on the iptables and make a rule allowing internal LAN ips trusted access to each other
[15:50] <helpy> i am running kubuntu in virtual box and it is not detecting usb and superdrive
[15:50] <helpy> any ideas ? i have set virtual box options but it still won't work
[15:51] <Odd-rationale> helpy: try asking in #vbox
[15:51] <helpy> i want to burn kubuntu image on usb to dvd to install kubuntu
[15:51] <helpy> its a kubuntu question
[15:51] <nosrednaekim> no... its a Vbox questions
[15:51] <Agent_bob> helpy it's a vbox Q
[15:52] <Odd-rationale> helpy: you want to burn the kubuntu iso to dvd?
[15:52] <helpy> lets talk about a kubuntu question now. i have installed compiz but i am not seeing any effects in kubuntu
[15:52] <helpy> yes Odd-rationale
[15:52] <helpy> my windows vista has some problems detecting the super drive
[15:52] <Agent_bob> helpy that's not a kubuntu Q either
[15:52] <Agent_bob> !compiz | helpy
[15:53] <helpy> Agent_bob if you dont want to help, dont speak.
[15:53] <Odd-rationale> helpy: well, if you have the iso, you can burn it to a dvd. be sure to burn the image of the iso, not the iso itself.
[15:53] <Odd-rationale> helpy: what version of kubuntu?
[15:53] <helpy> ubottu there is an option in kubuntu under desktop effects
[15:53] <helpy> you can install compiz and run the effects
[15:53] <nosrednaekim> helpy: if you are running kubuntu instaide Vbox, no you can't get effects
[15:53] <helpy> 8.04
[15:53] <helpy> why not ?
[15:53] <nosrednaekim> no 3d acceleration
[15:54] <Agent_bob> helpy i'm trying to help you.   it seems that the first problem you are having is in determining where to look for help...
[15:54] <helpy> :s
[15:54] <helpy> i wanted to install as main system on my laptop but k3b isn't detecting my super drive
[15:54] <helpy> so i can't burn iso on dvd and boot from it
[15:55] <Odd-rationale> helpy: dont burn the iso from the virtual machine...
[15:55] <Odd-rationale> download the iso on your main system and burn it from there...
[15:55] <helpy> thats the problem. vista is giving me nightmares
[15:55] <helpy> it won't burn images on dvd for some weird reason
[15:55] <steve555> Hi everyone
[15:55] <helpy> i hate MS
[15:56] <helpy> i burned image from linux puppy and it worked fine
[15:56] <genii> Perhaps you have a cdrom image
[15:56] <Odd-rationale> helpy: try using this for vista? http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm
[15:56] <Pici> helpy: fyi, ubottu is a bot.
[15:56] <helpy> i have 3 of them Odd-rationale
[15:57] <helpy> isorecorder, magic iso and active burner
[15:57] <Odd-rationale> helpy: how did you burn the puppy linux image...
[15:57] <helpy> on a friends laptop
[15:57] <Agent_bob> heh
[15:57] <Haza1> This might be a silly question but how do i create a link to a .sh file to execute. Its pretty annoying having to open up a terminal, navigate to the .sh location and run the ./myApp.sh
[15:57] <helpy> and i am waiting for him to come and do it again for kubuntu image
[15:58] <Odd-rationale> helpy: well, you could always order a kubuntu cd for free...
[15:58] <Odd-rationale> i gtg now bye!
[15:58] <helpy> yea and wait for a week
[15:58] <Agent_bob> Haza1 ln -s source.sh dest.link
[15:59] <Agent_bob> Haza1 right click drag and drop ?
[16:00] <Agent_bob> vanella right click creat new shortcut
[16:00] <Agent_bob> err link
[16:01] <Agent_bob> Haza1 in short, symbolic links can have any name, be eitherr relative or exact in path, and point at anything.
[16:01] <rav> genii: I changed the iptables to accept smb. Now I can see the workgroup in Konqueror and Dolphin, but Smb4k still doesn't work. Thanks for the help.
[16:02] <Haza1> Agent_bob: Cheers for the info. :)
[16:02] <genii> rav: np. Hope it gets sorted out.
[16:02] <Agent_bob> Haza1 and man ln   for all the fun details.   welcome.
[16:03] <genii> Agent_bob: I'm wondering why he doesn't just specify the path of the .sh file when running it
[16:04] <Haza1> Yeah, i think the problem is something else.. I can even run this app unless i do it though a terminal
[16:04] <Haza1> permissions maybe?
[16:04] <Agent_bob> genii yeah that was the first thing that came to my mind too,  but he was specific in his Q so i was somewhat specific in what i addressed.
[16:05] <Agent_bob> Haza1 chmod can change permissions  and chown can change ownership
[16:05] <Haza1> yeah, my user owns the file(s)
[16:05] <Haza1> and to test
[16:05] <Haza1> i dod chmod 777 -R /folder
[16:05] <Agent_bob> ls -l can list it's owner and perms
[16:05] <Haza1> *did
[16:06] <Agent_bob> well 777 is world read/write/exec  so it's not a perms/owner issue.
[16:06] <Agent_bob> i would sujest not leaving it 777 tho.  that's a security hole.
[16:06] <Haza1> Hehehe, damn right Agent_bob :)
[16:06] <Agent_bob> 755 maybe
[16:09] <Agent_bob> Haza1 this is a shell script ?    does the first line look something like   #!/bin/sh       ?
[16:10] <haryono> any one can help me a new kubuntu user?
[16:10]  * Agent_bob points out that linux has traditionally not used file name (extentions) to determine what to do with them.
[16:11] <Agent_bob> but that some gui junk does use filenames and mime types
[16:11] <Agent_bob> as
[16:11] <nosrednaekim> haryono: whats the problem?
[16:11] <Haza1> Agent_bob: I will just check
[16:11] <haryono> any one can help me pls
[16:12] <ubunturos> !ask | haryono
[16:12]  * Agent_bob quickly renames all his executables to *.txt
[16:12] <Haza1> Agent_bob: Its just firering up Java with a load of arguments
[16:12] <haryono> ubunturos..how to make my KOntact and webcam active?
[16:13] <Agent_bob> Haza1 try adding the header    #!/bin/bash      see if it helps.
[16:13] <ubunturos> haryono: I don't quite understand what you mean by activating Kontact.
[16:14] <haryono> theres program called Kontact in Kubuntu..for Personal Inforfmation Manager..it is lost
[16:14] <ubunturos> haryono: lost from the menu? (and for the webcam, you need to find, its compatibility)
[16:14] <ubunturos> !webcam | haryono:
[16:15] <Haza1> Agent_bob: Hmm, no change there mate. Don't worry yourself over it though mate. I have a feeling the app is toasted anyway =/
[16:15] <haryono> Yes exactly thats my problem to get the Kontact back and the webcam run
[16:15] <haryono> My webcam driveris Zc0301 is it compatible for Kubuntu?
[16:16] <nosrednaekim> haryono: press "alt+f2" and run "kontact"
[16:16] <haryono> nosred..thanks i try
[16:16] <ubunturos> haryono: see the link provided by ubottu, to know if your webcam is compatible
[16:17] <Agent_bob> Haza1 here's a simple test scritp.  you can use it to see what your gui is doing when you click a script.  it may not be opening a terminal but running them in the background.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d411250e4
[16:17] <haryono> nosred..what should i type on the dialog box for ...run?
[16:17] <Agent_bob> just a thought ^
[16:18] <Haza1> Agent_bob: Not a bad idea at all
[16:18] <Haza1> To be honest even when i run the application via a terminal i het some lovely java exceptions! :D
[16:18] <Haza1> *het/get
[16:19] <JuJuBee> Anybody know how to reinstall libGL.so? it seems to be missing...
[16:19] <haryono> NOSRED..I HAVE PRESS ALT N F2 ..IT ASKED ME TO FILL THE DIALOG BOX.....WHAT IS IT TO FILL IT?
[16:20] <steve555> JuJuBee,which graphics drivers are you using?
[16:20] <genii> JuJuBee: No, it's the ATI is looking for it when the actual file is libGL.so.1
[16:20] <khaije1> hey anyone recommend a company for personal vps hosting?
[16:20] <genii> haryono: kontact
[16:20] <nosrednaekim> haryono: put kontact in there
[16:20] <JuJuBee> When I try to run Amarok, I get error... amarokapp: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:21] <haryono> GENII..I HAD TYPE kONTACT N IT SAID CAN NOT RUN
[16:21] <JuJuBee> It does exist in /usr/lib/xorg
[16:21] <Agent_bob> kONTACT <<< no caps
[16:21] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: did you manually install the ati drivers?
[16:21] <Agent_bob> haryono everthing in linux is case sensitive    even irc  please don't shout
[16:21] <JuJuBee> Yes...
[16:21] <genii> just kontact              not Kontact or so
[16:22] <JuJuBee> do I need a link somewhere?
[16:22] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: did you do it by generating the debs?
[16:22] <JuJuBee> I have /usr/lib/libGL.so  and /usr/lib/xorg/libGL.so.1
[16:22] <JuJuBee> Yes
[16:22] <haryono> Agent Bob....i had type kONTACT in the dialog box after i press alt n f2 but it didnt run
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> ah ha.... uninstall those debs and isntall it with just the ./installer.run ... for some reason the debs don't put the GL libs in the right place
[16:23] <genii> Agent_bob: Ever get the feeling there's a communication breakdown? ;)
[16:23] <Agent_bob> haryono that's because   kontact != kONTACT
[16:23] <Agent_bob> genii all the time.
[16:23] <Agent_bob> genii bable still at work
[16:24] <haryono> Agent Bob i did exactly like u said..but it didnt ru
[16:24] <rEdrUm76> hi all
[16:24] <JuJuBee> nosrednaekim : It took me forever to get the dual head setup working, I don't want to screw it up now... is there another way?
[16:24] <steve555> Hi rEdrUm76
[16:24] <Agent_bob> haryono open a terminal and type into it      kontact        then show us both the command you typed and the following lines     use pastebin please.
[16:25] <Agent_bob> !paste | haryono
[16:25] <haryono> Agent Bob..what is terminal..?
[16:25]  * Agent_bob head desk
[16:25] <genii> JuJuBee: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/xorg/libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[16:25] <ubunturos> haryono: press Alt+F2 and type 'konsole'
[16:25] <haryono> Agent Bob head desk..?
[16:26] <JuJuBee> genii : no go.
[16:27] <Agent_bob> haryono a terminal is more specifically a terminal emulator program  which gives you a common linux shell within the running GUI    wikipidia might be your friend.
[16:27] <JuJuBee> Amarok still complains it is missing.
[16:27] <genii> haryono: After you put the word               kontact               in the alt-f2 window, and you clicked the Run button on bottom right, what exact message did it say?
[16:27] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: find where those debs put the libGL
[16:27] <haryono> genii..it said itc ouldnt run
[16:28] <haryono> ubunturos i had type konsole and it appear black dialog box..said haryono-desktop....what next?
[16:29] <Agent_bob>    ^  that's a terminal.
[16:29] <ubunturos> haryono: type 'kontact' (all in small cases) and report what it says
[16:29]  * genii makes more coffee and slides Agent_bob some Advils
[16:29] <haryono> ubunturos next?
[16:29] <Agent_bob> genii ty.
[16:29] <genii> Agent_bob: np
[16:29] <nosrednaekim> haryono: you have to hit enter fter typeing that.
[16:30]  * Agent_bob passes the advil on to nosrednaekim  "here you'll need this"
[16:30] <genii> hehe
[16:30] <haryono> nosred it said kontact : command not found..next..?
[16:30]  * nosrednaekim says no-thanks.... and removes the source of his headache :P
[16:31] <Agent_bob> haryono ok.   in the same terminal type this;  sudo apt-get install --reinstall kontact
[16:31] <nosrednaekim> haryono: ok, now run from the konsole window "sudo apt-get install kontact"
[16:31] <genii> Agent_bob: Beat me to it!
[16:31] <genii> nosrednaekim: You too
[16:31] <Agent_bob> better use --reinstall switch.
[16:31] <Agent_bob> it may be installed but broken.
[16:32] <haryono> nosred i did
[16:32]  * nosrednaekim gives genii some coffee.... "letting you do stupid things faster for hundreds of years"
[16:32] <nosrednaekim> haryono: and?
[16:32]  * genii sips
[16:32] <haryono> next...?
[16:32] <nosrednaekim> haryono: what did it say/do?
[16:32] <JuJuBee> Ah,had to create a link to libGL.so.1.2 for libGL.so and libGL.so.1
[16:32] <JuJuBee> Thank god for backups...
[16:32] <genii> JuJuBee: I remember it was something along those lines
[16:33] <Agent_bob> haryono run    kontact    again.
[16:34] <sgraham> jesus h christ on a popcycle stick
[16:34] <sgraham> finally figured it out
[16:34] <haryono> nosred i had type sudo apt get install -reinstall kontact....next?
[16:34] <genii> enter key
[16:35] <ubunturos> he means, press the enter key haro
[16:35] <ubunturos> he means, press the enter key haryono,
[16:35] <nosrednaekim> haryono: hit the enter key of course...
[16:35] <ads_> hi i hate to have to ask this question but samba isnt working. both client and server are ubuntu, i can view shares on the server but im asked for a username and password. i created the password on the server using "smbpasswd -a myusername" and added a password ; however this password wont let me in?!!!   any help pls..
[16:35] <Agent_bob> haryono run    kontact    again.   see if the message changes.   or if kontact now runs
[16:36] <haryono> Agent Bob..it said..Command line option is not known...next...?
[16:36] <Agent_bob> then you added to much
[16:36] <Agent_bob> haryono only this one word in the terminal;   kontact
[16:36] <haryono> I follow nosred
[16:37] <Agent_bob> ok.   he's all yours.
[16:37] <haryono> kontact
[16:37] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: I could use some tylenol as well
[16:37] <Agent_bob> ;/
[16:37] <haryono> I type kontact n said Command not found
[16:38] <nosrednaekim> haryono: ok, back with that "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kontact" command type it in and hit enter
[16:38] <nosrednaekim> without the " marks of course
[16:38] <ads_> samba help  anyone?   why do passwords mismatch after setting with "smbpasswd -a username"
[16:38] <nosrednaekim> ads_: caps lock?
[16:38] <ads_> nope  sorry wish it was that simple nosrednaekim
[16:38] <nosrednaekim> XD
[16:39] <ads_> i set the password correctly the mismatch is on the server
[16:39] <breixo> adios
[16:39] <haryono> nosred i did ...it said reinstall is not known
[16:39] <nosrednaekim> ah ok
[16:39] <ads_> i.e  "smbpasswd -a my username"   followed by setting password    does not translate to the correct password on the server
[16:40] <ads_> any ideas?
[16:40] <nosrednaekim> then just do "sudo apt-get install kontact"
[16:40] <nosrednaekim> ads_: sorry, never did samba.
[16:40] <ads_> thanks anyway nosrednaekim
[16:41] <haryono> nosred i did ..n said...Package kontact has no installation candidate...next..?
[16:42] <Agent_bob> bologna   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d77db324e
[16:43] <Agent_bob> sounds like kde4  and another tail chasing exracise
[16:43] <NullNam1> HELP! I needed to reinstall SAMBA on ubuntu 8.04, so I deslected SAMBA from "marked packages" in synaptic( the dozen or so services that are easily installed by checking and clicking apply)    I then noticed that /etc/samba still existed, so I removed the directory and all sub directories with "rm -r'   Now when I try to reinstall SAMBA, I get an error that states it can't find the samba config file.   THANks!
[16:43] <Agent_bob> haryono are you running kde4 on hardy ?
[16:44] <haryono> my problem of loosing kontact because I remove ..can add back ...?
[16:45] <haryono> Agent Bob i run Kubuntu
[16:45] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 you are surposed to use -P --purge   not rm  to take care of configs.
[16:45] <ubunturos> haryono: which version of Kubuntu?
[16:45] <nosrednaekim> haryono: ok, then run this "sudo apt-get update"
[16:46] <haryono> ubunturos how may i know?
[16:46] <ubunturos> haryono: in that same terminal, type 'lsb_release -a' (without quotes)
[16:47] <haryono> nosred..command not found ...next?
[16:47] <NullNam1> Agent_Bob, yea I think I did that first.....but then used rm -r....I know now...anything I can do?
[16:47] <nosrednaekim> haryono: did you remove the quotes?
[16:47] <ubunturos> haryono: are you sure, you are typing without the quotes?
[16:47] <haryono> ubunturos  i follow u
[16:47] <haryono> ubunturos sure
[16:47] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 ok.  lets see if we can sort it out.    open konsole and run; sudo -i
[16:47] <ubunturos> haryono: ok. so what did lsb_release -a return?
[16:48] <diversant> harigunda from russian!!!
[16:48] <haryono> it said..ubuntu 7.10  gutsy
[16:48] <diversant> what you say, mf?
[16:49] <diversant> hello from russian m a f i a
[16:49] <ads_> NullNam1: any ideas why  using "smbpasswd -a myusername" followed by a password                   when i log into the share it cant validate with what i specified in the       "smbpasswd -a"???
[16:49] <NullNam1> ok one sec
[16:49] <ubunturos> haryono: ok. Press "Alt+F2" and type "kontact"
[16:50] <haryono> ubunturos ok
[16:50] <haryono> it said could not run specified command
[16:51] <ubunturos> haryono: ok, so type, 'konsole' (in that same run box)
[16:51] <NullNam1> ads: Sorry don't know...Having SAMBA issues myself...new to this protocol...I like SSH much better, but don't have that choice
[16:51] <NullNam1> Agent-Bob...I'm ready
[16:51] <NullNam1> thanks
[16:51] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 now; dpkg --configure -a      #if it errors pastebin the errors.
[16:51] <haryono> ubunturos..u mean after kontact...konsole..?
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> ubunturos: we already went through this
[16:51] <ubunturos> nosrednaekim: ah, so, he doesn't have it installed
[16:52] <ubunturos> nosrednaekim: a install / re-install was also tried?
[16:52] <nosrednaekim> ubunturos: yeah... and I think his package lists aren't complete... kontact wasn't available
[16:52] <haryono> ubunturos..where should i type that..?
[16:52] <NullNam1> Agent_Bob: Please hold for a pastebin
[16:52] <ubunturos> haryono: wait for a min.
[16:52] <ads_> NullNam1:  no doubt  .. i only use ssh and x forwarding but i need samba for filesharing   i.e a media server for my win user flatmates!!!!    **sigh :(
[16:53] <haryono> nosred..it was available in my list ..but i removed from add/ removed program unintended
[16:53] <NullNam1> http://pastebin.com/m75c60991
[16:53] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 k.  sec.
[16:53] <ubunturos> haryono: Press "ALT+F2" and type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list (you'll see a text editor open up)
[16:54] <haryono> ubunturos ok
[16:54] <NullNam1> ads: That's why I'm using SAMBA as well.  It is great for my roommates...they don't have to type in passwords......try a windows program called SCP...It's a graphical file transfer program that uses ssh.
[16:55] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 type; mv /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d.back ;ln -s /bin/true /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d ;dpkg --configure -a
[16:55] <haryono> ubunturos..no command suplied
[16:55] <ads_> can any1 tell me why setting a samba user details with   "smbpasswd -a myusername"  (and setting the corresponding password on the server) is not the correct login details for the share???
[16:55] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 you can copy paste that into the konsole ^
[16:55] <ubunturos> haryono: no command? I didn't understand that. Did it return an error?
[16:55] <NullNam1> sure one moment Agent_Bob
[16:56] <haryono> ubunturos when i type that in the dialog box..or u meant in the terminal?
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> ubunturos: you have to enclose the command in quotes I think...
[16:56] <NullNam1> it set up 3 services with NO errors
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> haryono: it will work better from the terminal
[16:56] <ubunturos> nosrednaekim: no need to enclose them in quotes, afair
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> in the run command dialog, I think you do need to
[16:56] <NullNam1> Agent_Bob:  Should it be working now? No errors is good, right?
[16:57] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 ok we need to undo the hack so;  rm /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d ;mv /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d.back /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d
[16:57] <ubunturos> nosrednaekim: no, I just tried it out. Doesn't require quotes
[16:57] <nosrednaekim> hmm ok
[16:57] <ubunturos> haryono: where did you type it out?
[16:57] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 yes no error means no error.   but it's probably not running yet.
[16:57] <haryono> nosred ok i try.l.it was typed after i press alt n f2 dialog box
[16:58] <NullNam1> Agent_Bob:okay, Iran the rm command.
[16:58] <ubunturos> haryono: ok. DId you get a prompt to input a password?
[16:58] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 the full line    both rm and mv ?
[16:58] <haryono> i type in dialog box after i press alt n f2
[16:59] <NullNam1> yes
[16:59] <ubunturos> haryono: ok, did you get a input box asking for passowrd?
[16:59] <haryono> ubunturos ..no prompt like that
[16:59] <ubunturos> haryono: :-/ ...
[16:59] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 ffr the simicolon is a command seperator in the shell    blah1 ;blah2    runs blah1 and when it ends it runs blah2.   just so you know.
[16:59] <nado> hey
[16:59] <NullNam1> Agent_Bob:   I actually have bash scripting experience, so luckily you don't have to hold my hand.  Thanks for  being specific though.
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> hello nado
[16:59] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 ok; /etc/init.d/smb* start
[16:59] <nado> does anybody know how to remove a label from a track in amarok?
[17:00] <haryono> ubunturos..cant i get the add/ removed program list back for kontact..?
[17:00] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 k   we get a lot in there that have no clue,  i wasn't trying to be condesending
[17:00] <ubunturos> haryono: in the K Menu, do you see "Add/Remove Programs"
[17:00] <ads_> apologies for the re-posting   but incase someone may help:      using "smbpasswd -a myusername"  is not the correct information for the login details   any reason why this is?????
[17:00] <haryono> ubunturos that was the problem started
[17:01] <ubunturos> haryono: huh? I
[17:02] <haryono> ubunturos..i removed kontact from add/ removed list unintende..
[17:02] <NullNam1> Agent_Bob:  I understand, I was just letting you know as well...I appreciate the help.  It's not being found. -bash: /etc/init.d/smb*: No such file or directory
[17:02] <ubunturos> haryono: ok, so start "Add/Remove Programs" again, and search for kontact
[17:02] <Agent_bob> ads_ if you fail to get help on that here  you can ask in  #ubuntu   or  ##linux
[17:02] <haryono> ubunturos ok i try
[17:03] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 hmmm check the dir see if there is a samba   something in there and run it with option start
[17:03] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 i don't use samba so i don't know what they called the startup script.
[17:04] <helpy> wheres that guy who told me about wuber ?
[17:04] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 tab complete it
[17:04] <helpy> awesome!!!! its just fabulous. i am on kubuntu :D
[17:04] <haryono> ubunturos ..add/ removed program has klik n now view adept installer...next...?
[17:04] <ads_> thanks Agent_bob  ill try linux
[17:04] <jon_> is there any way to get 3rd gen ipod nanos to work with hardy?
[17:04] <venik> how do I install printers in 8.04?  THe System settings in kde4 does not have the PRINTERS option that KDE3 had
[17:04] <Agent_bob> ads_ welcome
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> jon_: those the squarish ones with the large screens?
[17:05] <ubunturos> haryono: Click the Office section on the left panel
[17:05] <NullNam1> Agent_Bob:  It's called 'samba" ...I'll try starting it.
[17:05] <jon_> yes, with the metallic back, flat black on the front
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> helpy: yep.. WUBI rocks
[17:05] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 ok.  if it errors we'll have to check a few things.
[17:05] <haryono> ubunturos how to get the kontact back in the adept installer box..?after i klik to add/ removed program?
[17:05] <ubunturos> haryono: Click the Office section on the left panel
[17:05] <haryono> ok
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> jon_: apparently they had some sort of encryption on them,... which was later broken.. I think the later versions of amarok will work with it
[17:05] <jon_> nosrednaekim its the one where they changed up the firmware
[17:06] <jon_> oh fantastic
[17:06] <nosrednaekim> meaning.. 1.4.9
[17:06] <NullNam1> Agent_Bob...it Started the dameon and says [fail] with no verbosity.
[17:06] <haryono> ubunturos..next?
[17:06] <nosrednaekim> bbl
[17:06] <ubunturos> haryono: on the right, do you see Kontact?
[17:06] <NullNam1> *Starting Samba daemons  [fail]
[17:06] <Haza1> Hey folks. What is the easiest way to get the JDK 1.6 ?
[17:06] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 ok try a force-reload   or force-restart   on it.
[17:07] <helpy> i wonder why no one told me about wuber first
[17:07] <haryono> no...
[17:07] <Haza1> Agent_bob: It looks like that was why my java app wasn't working at least :)
[17:07] <ubunturos> haryono: (Application (Office)) Column?
[17:07] <helpy> i have been screwing up for 2 days
[17:07] <helpy> i didnt sleep for 36 hours
[17:07] <helpy> :s
[17:07] <helpy> can someone help me with compiz now ?
[17:07] <haryono> ubunturos ..no  even in the shade
[17:07] <ubunturos> haryono: ok, can you see a text-box above? (Search: box?)
[17:07] <Agent_bob> helpy better to help you to the bed.    you can play with the computer after you sleep.
[17:08] <ubunturos> haryono: type Kontact there
[17:08] <helpy> huh ?
[17:08] <haryono> ubunturos..ok i try
[17:08] <steve555> helpy,what is the problem with compiz?
[17:08] <helpy> how do i install that ?
[17:08] <julius> Ho hies
[17:08] <helpy> desktop effects install ?
[17:08] <NullNam1> Agent_Bob: It gets an Ok for stopping Samba...but a '[fail]' for starting Samba.
[17:08] <Agent_bob> helpy kmenu > desk... > ins...
[17:09] <haryono> ubunturos .ok it appear..next?
[17:09] <haryono> next ?
[17:09] <ubunturos> haryono: just a min
[17:09] <helpy> k menu ?
[17:09] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 ok check the configs now.    "the ones you removed"
[17:09] <helpy> i am usinig 8.04
[17:09] <helpy> can't see menu and then desktop
[17:09] <ubunturos> haryono: can you see a checkbox beside the name?
[17:09] <Agent_bob> NullNam1 that they were replaced with default ones.
[17:10] <steve555> helpy,the k symbol in the bottom-left corner of the desktop.
[17:10] <haryono> ubunturos yes..but cant be checked  no response
[17:10] <haryono> ?
[17:10] <ubunturos> haryono: sure?
[17:10] <NullNam1> Agent_Bob: I remember it being  /etc/samba .. I'm not seeing anything similar in /etc
[17:11] <haryono> ubunturos..theres information about kontact on the rightest box
[17:11] <haryono> ?
[17:11] <helpy> yea and there is no desktop menu in it steve
[17:11] <jon_> nosrednaekim if the encryption was broken, do you think ipod linux will soon be available for the 3rd gen nano?
[17:12] <steve555> helpy ?
[17:12] <ubunturos> haryono: but you can click the check-box?
[17:12] <helpy> what ?
[17:12] <NullNam1> Agent_Bob:  I have to go. GOShdarnit!! Thanks for your help<EMAIL_ADDRESS>....I'll come back later
[17:12] <haryono> ubunturos..to make the kontact works should i check it in the check box?
[17:13] <ubunturos> haryono: to install kontact, you have to click the check box and then
[17:13] <haryono> i klik to check box ..but no check sign appear
[17:13] <haryono> like...x sign
[17:14] <ubunturos> haryono: no 'x' sign will be seen.  A "right tick" will be seen. (if it is called so)
[17:14] <steve555> the desktop menu is the categories that are displayed when you click on the k symbol(utilities,system,ect)
[17:14] <ubunturos> haryono: if you have clicked the check box, did you see a button called "Apply Changes" on right hand (below) side
[17:14] <helpy> do you recommend upgrading packages in kubuntu ?
[17:15] <helpy> i see a red warning sign in bottom right with time
[17:15] <haryono> ubunturos is it because.....on the show box said unsupported and in the proprietary box ..were check sign x..appear?
[17:15] <ubunturos> haryono: no, don't worry about them for the moment.
[17:15] <ubunturos> haryono: if you have clicked the check box of kontact, do you see a  button "Apply Changes" on right hand side (below)
[17:16] <haryono> no said like it
[17:16] <steve555> For Hardy heron I would say yes,but if you want to be extra careful,I would suggest opening konsole,and running: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade.
[17:16] <helpy> ahh
[17:16] <helpy> steve btw we still aren't done with compiz
[17:16] <ubunturos> haryono: what? you couldn't see?
[17:16] <helpy> i can't see a desktop menu in kmenu
[17:17] <haryono> ubunturos ..in the info box said kontact is opart of KDE pim application..so..?
[17:17] <rav> hello. I'm trying to configure iptables to allow SMB traffic, but I can't get it to work. I created a rule to accept udp connections on the SMB port, but when I run the firewall, I lose the SMB connection
[17:17] <ubunturos> haryono: ok, click OK button
[17:17] <steve555> helpy, what do you see on the desktop?
[17:17] <haryono> ubunturos i couldnt see "Apply Chnages" button
[17:17] <ubunturos> haryono: just a min
[17:18] <helpy> on desktop or in kmenu ?
[17:18] <steve555> I would ask if you can see both.
[17:19] <ubunturos> haryono: could you see any "Next" button, on right hand side?
[17:19] <helpy> i see internet, graphics, multimedia
[17:19] <helpy> etc
[17:19] <haryono> ubunturos should i klik http://kontact.kde.org..? to find it?????????????
[17:19] <ubunturos> haryono: no
[17:20] <haryono> no next button
[17:20] <ubunturos> haryono: hmm, your results are confusing. I can't really solve the problem, I guess.
[17:20] <ubunturos> haryono: do you have a Linux User group in your area?
[17:20] <haryono> ubunturos ..thanks any way
[17:20] <ubunturos> haryono: do you have a Linux User group in your area?
[17:21] <haryono> just know linux last week
[17:21] <steve555> helpy,do you see system>desktop effects?
[17:21] <ubunturos> haryono: who did you ask for Linux?
[17:21] <helpy> yep steve
[17:21] <steve555> and also the compiz-fusion icon?
[17:21] <ubunturos> haryono: your friend?
[17:21] <helpy> yep
[17:21] <steve555> What happens when you select them?
[17:21] <ubunturos> haryono: where are you located?
[17:22] <helpy> gives me an option to install package
[17:22] <helpy> when i click it, it says another package is working at the moment
[17:22] <helpy> btw i am upgrading packages in adept
[17:22] <haryono> ubunturos..i want to replace from microsoft windows
[17:22] <steve555> Can I ask which drivers are you using?
[17:22] <haryono> Jakarta, indonesia, south east asia..
[17:22] <helpy> thats what happened when i tried to run skype tar.gz after downloadng it
[17:22] <helpy> i think you can't run multiple packages in ku
[17:22] <ubunturos> haryono: hmm, let me find if there are Linux User groups there. (I hope, there are)
[17:23] <haryono> ok  waiting
[17:23] <genii> rav: Looks like there might be some useful info for you here (although redhat-centric) http://troy.jdmz.net/samba/fw/
[17:23] <steve555> Ohno! I would watch out for icedtea-gcjwebplugin,I am having trouble installing that package! I usaully have to use synaptic to downgrade it.
[17:24] <ubunturos> haryono: see the following link - (See Jakarta) http://www.linux.org/groups/indonesia.html
[17:24] <haryono> ubunturos..another thing..my webcam...how to run it in kubuntu?
[17:24] <haryono> ubunturos..where can i find link ..jakarta?
[17:25] <ubunturos> haryono: http://www.linux.org/groups/1530_Jakarta_LUG.html (direct link)
[17:25] <haryono> fcan i just klik that from you?
[17:25] <ubunturos> haryono: yes
[17:25] <haryono> ok it run now
[17:26] <ubunturos> haryono: the group has a Yahoo! Group for emails. Join that group. Post your question with details (may be in your native language)
[17:26] <ubunturos> haryono: you could possibly ask, someone to guide you remotely through his computer
[17:27] <ubunturos> s / guide / operate and repair
[17:27] <haryono> ok ..i got that link were in singapore ..away from me
[17:27] <frybye> Hi - I installed cheese (webcam ca
[17:27] <helpy> my knoqueror isn't working the way it should
[17:27] <helpy> great frybye
[17:27] <frybye> e e webcame capture - yesterday but it only seems to be party installed.. how to fix?
[17:27] <ubunturos> haryono: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/jakarta_lug/ (click on the Join this Group) button
[17:27] <frybye> helpy - i like you humour..
[17:28] <frybye> i had just hit the enter - key by mistake.. heheh
[17:28] <haryono> Ubunturos ok i try thanks
[17:28] <helpy> my humor ?
[17:29] <frybye> helpy: yup...
[17:29] <ubunturos> haryono: you are welcome. Sorry, couldn't do much about your problem. If I did have physical access to your computer, I probably would have solved the problem
[17:29] <helpy> heh sorry maybe its usual for me, but i didnt say anything funny :D
[17:29] <frybye> so tell me how to repair or re-install a package pse..??
[17:30] <llutz> frybye: sudo aptitude reinstall package
[17:30] <helpy> whats that kde wallet ?
[17:31] <steve555> helpy,it's basically a kde program that sores your passwords or other personal info inside it.
[17:31] <helpy> oh ok.
[17:32] <helpy> can i cancel adept updater and resume it later without losing already downloaded packages ?
[17:32] <helpy> i want to install firefox and skpe
[17:32] <helpy> :(
[17:33] <helpy> why isnt there a pause option in linux :s
[17:33] <steve555> Yeah I think you can do,if it hasn't already downloaded and installed the packages for you.
[17:33] <frybye> with cheese I can see the vid from the webcam and the button start/stop recording is there.. but see no results from recording... nowhere does a file show up or ???
[17:33] <helpy> hmm ok
[17:33] <frybye> llutz I re-installed it with snaptic...
[17:34] <frybye> is cheese only part of what one needs???
[17:34] <frybye> it seems to display the video output from the webcam but no files show up when done recording???
[17:35] <llutz> http://www.gnome.org/projects/cheese/
[17:35] <frybye> helpy:  if you move up the backlog of text here it stays put at that point..
[17:35] <rav> genii: i've been following the tutorials online, but none seem to work. when I run the firewall, smb disappears
[17:36] <frybye> i wil have a look llutz.. thanks..
[17:36] <llutz> frybye: http://live.gnome.org/Cheese/FAQ#head-3b2c372f1433feaac3059b4abe06ce3cd6bde13d
[17:36] <helpy> oh ok
[17:37] <genii> rav: A lot of firewalls have a rule to drop traffic if it seems to be coming from in the network (to prevent spoofing) Maybe look for some rule of this nature
[17:38] <genii> rav: I'm not that fluent with iptables or I'd assist more
[17:38] <helpy> how do you install firefox from tar.gz ?
[17:38] <SlimeyPete> why do you want to do that, helpy
[17:38] <SlimeyPete> ?
[17:38] <nosrednaekim> you... don't
[17:39] <SlimeyPete> it's always best to use Add/Remove Programs or Adept to install stuff if possible.
[17:39] <rav> genii: there is one rule for that, i'll try it
[17:40] <steve555> Helpy,you can install the latest firefox using adept,look for firefox 3
[17:40] <genii> Also enable hardy-proposed repository if you want RC1
[17:40] <steve555> I'm not sure about the source code version,I'm sure it is a massive file.
[17:44] <helpy> ohok
[17:45] <helpy> my mic is not working
[17:45] <helpy> :(
[17:46] <rav> genii: disabling the anti-spoof rule didn't fix the problem. some other rule is dropping the packets before getting to the rules in the tutorials
[17:46] <ulilicht> hi@ll
[17:47] <ulilicht> hat jemand lust mir zu helfen, hab kubuntu hardy 64 auf nmeinem notebook installiert, aber nach einer verscuhten treiber-nachinstallation bootet dieses nicht mehr ('/sbin/Modprobe' Abnormal exit)
[17:47] <llutz> !de | ulilicht
[17:48] <helpy> what is the kill comand ?
[17:48] <helpy> i want to kill skype
[17:48] <pag> helpy, killall skype
[17:48] <steve555> Hi ulilicht
[17:49] <helpy> oh ok
[17:49] <ulilicht> hi steve! i'm sorry, i didnt note that i landed in the english channel
[17:49] <helpy> not working pag
[17:49] <helpy> says another instance of skype may be working
[17:50] <pag> helpy, if you have window of skype, you could command 'xkill' and then juch click on the window..
[17:50] <helpy> thats the problem
[17:50] <helpy> i ca'nt see skype open
[17:50] <helpy> but it still says another instance may be running
[17:50] <llutz> helpy: sudo killall -9 skype
[17:50] <helpy> ok hang on
[17:50] <steve555> can you swimlol!(I'm sorry I just couldn't resist it with the way the sentence came out) :D
[17:51] <helpy> where do you right commands btw ? right click run command ?
[17:51] <ulilicht> but steve, do you want to help me? i've installed kubuntu hardy 64 on my notebook (acer 5920) and wanted to install the wlan-driver per ndiswrapper, but now my machiene says while booting: '/sbin/Modprobe' Abnormal exit
[17:51] <nosrednaekim> ulilicht: you need the 64 bit windows driver...
[17:52] <steve555> I'm sorry,I can't help you with that one.
[17:52] <ulilicht> yeah, i downloaded it and configured ndiswrapper,but now my machiene does not want to boot any more
[17:52] <SlimeyPete> helpy: in a terminal (the default terminal is called Konsole and is in the K Menu)
[17:52] <SlimeyPete> under "System" I think (I'm not in Kubuntu at the moment)
[17:53] <helpy> ok hang on
[17:56] <helpy> ok compiz installed
[17:56] <helpy> how do i check that ?
[17:57] <nosrednaekim> ulilicht: are you sure its the 64 bit driver? and is it the XP driver?
[17:58] <genii> rav: If you pastebin result of: sudo iptables -L                  I'll take a peek
[17:58] <sgraham> fixed my damn problem damnit
[17:58] <ulilicht> yeah, both, xp64. but maybe i klicked the false line. but do you have an idea how i can get my notebook to boot again?
[17:58] <sgraham> guy here at work helpd
[17:58] <steve555> helpy.open konsole and type in compiz and then return.
[17:58] <helpy> ok
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> ulilicht: yeah... try booting recovery mode
[17:59] <nosrednaekim> helpy: compiz --replace
[17:59] <helpy> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[17:59] <helpy> Found laptop using ati driver.
[17:59] <helpy> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/kwi
[18:00] <rav> genii: http://pastebin.com/d2e65e320
[18:00] <genii> rav: Reading
[18:00] <steve555> Helpy,you might have to install either the amd-fglrx or the propriety driver using adept(amd-fglrx from their website.
[18:01] <nosrednaekim> xorg-driver-fglrx in the repositories
[18:03] <ulilicht> hm, nosrednaekim, that also does not work, it stops at "input: SynPs/2 Synaptics touchpad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input9
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> ulilicht: boot a liveCD and chroot in
[18:04] <ulilicht> a few lines above that "udevd-event: run_program: 'sbin/modprobe/' abnormal exit is written...
[18:04] <ulilicht> ok
[18:04] <Eruaran> hullo kubuntites
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> ulilicht: and remove ndiswrapper
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> hey Eruaran
[18:05] <minhaaj_> sorry my system got stuck
[18:05] <minhaaj_> what did you say i have to download in order to run compiz ?
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> minhaaj_: xorg-driver-fglrx
[18:06] <ulilicht> hm, now i was waiting for a few minutes and now the boot-procedure goes on, actually it stops at "loading manual drivers"
[18:06] <minhaaj_> how do i get it ?
[18:06] <ulilicht> perhaps i try to wait a few minutes again
[18:07] <rav> i installed compiz, and it stopped my KDE system sounds, because it doesn't use Kwin. I prefer the sounds to the bouncy windows, so I uninstalled compiz
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> minhaaj_: ints in the repositories... or use jockey-kde
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> !ati
[18:08] <minhaaj_> nosrednaekim can you explain it
[18:08] <minhaaj_> i dont understand
[18:08] <minhaaj_> i have to write jockey-kde in konsole ?
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> look at the above link
[18:09] <ulilicht> hm., ok now i'm in the recovery menu and tried to remove ndiswrapper, but now it says "not using locking for read only lock file ..." and "unable to write to /var/cache/apt"
[18:10] <nosrednaekim> !aptfix
[18:10] <grendal_prime> you got something else looking at the your aptcache
[18:11] <ulilicht> hm, ubottu, it still says "read only file system"
[18:12] <ulilicht> i think it just didn't load any driver
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> read only FS? doesn't sound good
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> ulilicht: do the liveCD/chroot thing
[18:13] <minhaaj_> instructions are for gutsy
[18:13] <minhaaj_> i am using hardy
[18:13] <minhaaj_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> minhaaj_: ah.. sorry
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> minhaaj_: then yes, run "kdesudo jockey-kde" from the konsole
[18:13] <minhaaj_> ok hang on
[18:15] <helpy> its downloading something
[18:15] <helpy> but its stuck at 80%
[18:16] <helpy> ok done
[18:16] <helpy> says system needs to be restarted
[18:16] <nosrednaekim> you enabled the ati driver?
[18:16] <helpy> yep
[18:16] <helpy> i am done ?
[18:16] <nosrednaekim> ok.. reboot then
[18:16] <helpy> ok
[18:17] <rav> genii: found something that might help?
[18:20] <minhaaj> ok restart done
[18:20] <minhaaj> now how to check ?
[18:21] <genii> rav: Sorry for lag. Work needed me. I have the page open and looking at it however. Most of the chains seem to be in the DROP sequence which I think is the issue.
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> minhaaj: try "compiz --replace" again
[18:21] <minhaaj> wow effects have changed somewhat
[18:21] <minhaaj> i can see a card on bottom right too
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> works now?
[18:21] <minhaaj> to an extent
[18:21] <minhaaj> whoa yeah it is
[18:21] <minhaaj> tell me some keys to test compiz
[18:22] <minhaaj> except ctrl+alt +left/right
[18:22] <genii> rav: As I recall also, ipchains works on a first-match-wins
[18:22] <minhaaj> what is the short key for cube effect ?
[18:23] <rav> genii: thanks
[18:23] <nosrednaekim> alt+scroll
[18:23] <minhaaj> i am on laptop
[18:23] <minhaaj> how do i scroll ?
[18:23] <nosrednaekim> your track pad doesn't have a scroll area on the right side?
[18:24] <minhaaj> nope
[18:24] <nosrednaekim> ah..too bad
[18:24] <minhaaj> its a synaptics mousepad
[18:24] <minhaaj> wait let me attach ps2 mouse
[18:24] <raidteck> hello
[18:24] <nosrednaekim> you can do ctrl+alt+left mouse button+drag mouse
[18:24] <nosrednaekim> hey raidteck
[18:24] <raidteck> hi nosrednaekim