[00:00] <metroid1> one restart.  desktop loaded, home folder accessible.  i am bi-winning!
[00:00] <metroid1> although it wasn't the smoothest, it is all i need.
[04:05] <aZu> guys i'm having trouble booting 10.10
[04:09] <aZu> the install completes and reboots...but when the computer starts back up again, nothing shows up
[04:10] <aZu> there's a black prompt with nothing but a white space bar against a black screen
[04:10] <aZu> sorry repetitive
[04:37] <dumber> hello
[04:39] <dumber> I run xubuntu 10.04 on IBM 300GL PIII 450 MHZ 256MB RAM and 10Gb Hdd. but the resolution is locked on 800x600, I need more resolution,, anyone can help me??
[04:44] <Unit193> !x | dumber
[04:48] <dumber> ok I will try. thanks
[06:35] <Ycarene> How do I restore my graphical boot splash screen after a kernel update?
[06:49] <tiedaerial> hello, can anyone help me?
[06:50] <tiedaerial> anyone here?
[06:54] <bilal03> hello
[06:54] <bilal03> ??
[06:54] <bilal03> i have installed xubuntu but cannot see disk drives like ubuntu
[06:55] <bilal03> hello???
[06:55] <bilal03> can anybody tell me??
[07:54] <zruty> In Ubuntu no problem connecting to SMB share, but in Xubuntu same connection errors with "invalid". What can I check?
[08:16] <Sysi> zruty: how you're connecting?
[08:22] <zruty> Sysi: On Ubuntu in Nautilus, typing the address in the locator bar. In Xubuntu with Gigolo.
[08:29] <zruty> In Gigolo it reports as connecting, but when I try to start Thunar on it, the error message comes that it fails to open "the path" then stating the URI is invalid.
[08:30] <Sysi> uhm, i think i've seen that but dunno how to actually fix it
[08:30] <Sysi> you could try google
[12:29] <xubuntu066> Hi
[12:30] <xubuntu066> Do you speak Russian?
[12:30] <Sysi> no
[12:30] <xubuntu066> I test xubuntu first time.
[12:30] <xubuntu066> ok
[12:30] <knome> !ru | xubuntu066
[12:32] <xubuntu066> Last month I use ubuntu 10.10. but my komputer was slowly. Does Kubuntu help me make my computet faster
[13:39] <xiaoshen> hello^
[13:40] <xiaoshen> i'm about to install xubuntu 10.10
[13:41] <xiaoshen> i want to know what are the advantages by manually create the partitions when installing
[13:49] <Sysi> you get to choose what kinda partition setup you want
[13:52] <PaulW2U> I have multiple Ubuntu installations on this PC. By choosing to manually create partitions I can have a separate /home which I can share with other installations. When upgrading the /home can be kept safe.
[13:54] <xiaoshen> l heard that if i have / and /home separated, when something happen with / my /home is save then i only have to fix the /
[13:55] <xiaoshen> but i haven't faced problem like that before
[13:56] <Sysi> i do/did reinstallation often, separate /home is handy
[13:56] <Sysi> if you just need to have data safe, it doesn't need to be /home but just some partition
[13:59] <xiaoshen> Sysi, when everytime you do reinstallation you don't have to define /home anymore?
[13:59] <PaulW2U> Yes you do, but you tell the installer NOT to format the partition
[14:00] <xiaoshen> oh?
[14:00] <xiaoshen> so then if you reinstall for the 1st time then you have 2 /home
[14:00] <xiaoshen> ?
[14:01] <PaulW2U> No, you only ever have one /home. The installer uses the existing /home but does not format it so the data is kept safe.
[14:02] <xiaoshen> oh
[14:02] <xiaoshen> i see
[14:04] <xiaoshen> PaulW2U, so when i do the reinstallation i only need to define / and swap
[14:06] <PaulW2U> You still need to define where /home is but you must tell the installer NOT to format /home.
[14:06] <xiaoshen> i don't need to define /home ,beccuse i want to use my existing /home
[14:06] <xiaoshen> You still need to define where /home?
[14:07] <xiaoshen> how?
[14:07] <PaulW2U> If you don't define /home it will create a /home under / and not use your existing partition. Your data will not be lost but you will have to mount the partition and call it something else.
[14:08] <xiaoshen> then how to tell the installer that i want to use the existing /home?
[14:11] <PaulW2U> When the time comes, choose the option to manually create the partitions and all will become clear. Just choose the partition, e.g. sda3 and call it /home using the dropdown list . Don't tick the box that is labelled "Format"
[14:12] <xiaoshen>  PaulW2U, i got it now, sorry for asking such basic question ^^'
[14:13] <xiaoshen> oh it's ok to use /ext4?
[14:14] <PaulW2U> Yes, all my partitions are ext4
[14:14] <xiaoshen> so it's stable
[14:15] <xiaoshen> oh last time i used xubuntu the thunar is very basic, is there any improvement in 10.10
[16:07] <xiaoshen> hello^
[16:07] <xiaoshen> i get some problem with xfce panel
[16:08] <xiaoshen> how to reset it into the 1st insatalled 1
[18:44] <cobra-the-joker> Hey guys ... will 10.04 get XFCE 4.8 ?
[18:53] <cobra-the-joker> any body here
[18:57] <ochosi> cobra-the-joker: afaik there is a ppa for that
[18:57] <ochosi> cobra-the-joker: not sure the xubuntu-dev team will make an "official" backport
[18:58] <ochosi> cobra-the-joker: or let's say i'm really sceptical about that
[19:01] <cobra-the-joker> ochosi: i hope it will
[19:01] <ochosi> cobra-the-joker: have you tried the ppa-version for maverick or lucid?
[19:02] <Sysi> 4.8 is nice, but it doesn't have launcher-moving bug in 10.04, like in 10.10
[19:06] <cobra-the-joker> ochosi: no ... didnt try it yet
[19:06] <cobra-the-joker> maybe i try on a VM
[19:06] <cobra-the-joker> dont trust ppa very much .. especially in something like a DE
[19:43] <zer0s>  hey guys can you help me get lidbtn.sh working properly?
[19:45] <Sysi> what is lidbtn.sh?
[19:46] <zer0s> its supposed to determine what the screen is going to do when the laptop lid is closed
[19:46] <zer0s> or open
[19:46] <zer0s> while it does its job of turning off the screen
[19:47] <zer0s> when i open the lid, it won't come back
[19:47] <Sysi> xfce4-power-manager should handle that
[19:48] <zer0s> it doesn't
[19:48] <zer0s> unfortunately
[19:48] <zer0s> :/
[19:48] <zer0s> i tried
[19:49] <Sysi> sounds problem is lower level then
[19:50] <zer0s> that's why i tried to work inside /etc/acpi/events
[19:51] <zer0s> i'm starting to think i should go to 10.04...10.10 is nothing but headaches
[20:43] <_antant> Hi guys. I was hoping someone could have a look at quick vids of my boot up and shut down processes and tell me why they changed from splash screens to what they are now
[20:45] <_antant> http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=w86efq&s=7 is my boot up
[20:45] <_antant> and http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=zl3fyt&s=7 my shutdown
[20:46] <Sysi> if you didn't install propiatary drivers, remove possibly text-plymouth theme and maybe reinstall the regular one
[20:48] <_antant> I've tried changing the plymouth theme and it doesn't do anything
[20:54] <_antant> I'm using the ATI video drivers
[20:55] <Sysi> propietary? there are some fixes but i don't know, google does
[20:58] <_antant> Right. Here we go
[20:59] <_antant> WOOHOO!!!
[21:01] <_antant> cheers Sysi
[23:09] <stanley_> hi guys i'm using xubuntu 10.10 a bit of a newbie and all of my streaming video is slow, nothign else can anyone help me with this?\
[23:09] <ochosi> what do you mean? your connection is slow or playback is choppy?
[23:11] <stanley_> no playback is choppy it isn't flickering so I know i don;t have a bad refresh rate and I have very fast download and browsing speeds so I know my connection is good
[23:16] <ochosi> stanley_: well, i don't know what you used before but flash-performance is just not as good in linux as it is in windows
[23:16] <stanley_> I did use windows before, do you think that would be the problem because its just about not worth it to watch streaming media thats how choppy the video is
[23:17] <ochosi> you can have a look what flashplayer-plugin you have installed, adobe's plugin is what usually works best
[23:17] <ochosi> but in general there's not very much you can do
[23:18] <ochosi> apart from trying a different browser maybe
[23:18] <ochosi> i hear chromium is a tad faster with flash
[23:21] <stanley_> ok cool thanks alot
[23:24] <ochosi> stanley_: np


[12:23] <ryanakca> can someone please test bug 89332?
[12:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89332 in bzr-gtk "Missing depends for bzr-gtk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89332
[12:23] <ryanakca> (on a fresh install, or one where you haven't installed any other gtk apps)
[12:31] <yuriy> bah wordpress doesn't like konqueror
[12:31] <yuriy> and you need to pay to edit the css :o
[12:33] <seele> eh?
[12:33] <seele> ive never had any problems with wordpress
[12:34] <yuriy> i mean if you have them host the blog. the upload image fields don't seem to work in konqueror
[12:34] <yuriy> or at least one particular one doesn't
[12:35] <seele> thats kind of weird because i would think the administration interface is the same as what they release
[12:55] <ryanakca> yuriy: install it on an old box?
[01:15] <yuriy> ryanakca: maybe i will at some point. i usually get too frustrated getting the router to let me run a webserver though so i've quit on that
[01:16] <ryanakca> is there an option for DMZ on the router
[01:16] <ryanakca> s//?
[01:17] <yuriy> yeah. anyways i don't remember if that worked or not or what hte problem was. it's been a while since i tried with a router
[01:33] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Good morning there.
[01:33] <Hobbsee> hey Tm_T!
[01:35] <Tm_T> I just spent 9 hours in student/rock bar/cafeterie basicly ircing.
[01:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:36] <Tm_T> Somewhat enlighting in time to time.
[01:36] <Tm_T> Hu-mans are stupid. :(
[01:37] <Hobbsee> a thought has occurred.
[01:37] <Tm_T> I keep wondering why people can't have fun without alcohol.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> because they're silly.
[01:38] <Tm_T> Oh well, I've been thought drunken after cup of coffee, so...
[01:39] <Tm_T> Staring magic crystalball ->
[01:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:41] <Tm_T> I think I stick in electric communication for now on even more.
[01:41] <Tm_T> http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20070302.jpg
[01:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:43] <Tm_T> Even that sounds better than drunken finns, trust me.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> darn, where's tonio_?
[02:47] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I've been looking for him all day
[03:01] <DaSkreech> nixternal: But written in C# :-(
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ah
[03:05] <nixternal> ey
[03:05] <nixternal> manchicken|away: that email they sent you is against the law btw
[03:10] <DaSkreech> Yeah! burn doubleclick to the ground@@!!!
[03:10] <DaSkreech> wait it is doubleclick right?
[03:12] <nixternal> haha
[03:20] <DaSkreech> http://www.linuxgamingworld.com/2007/01/virgin#more-125
[03:20] <DaSkreech> Woah
[04:32] <Jucato> nixternal: but seriously, I don't follow that wiki, but I've experienced that before I even read that wiki, way back when I was still in the forums.
[04:32] <manchicken> nixternal: Really?
[04:40] <nixternal> manchicken: yes, they can't say derogatory remarks like that
[04:42] <manchicken> Jucato: http://blog.notsosoft.net/2007/general/worlds-dumbest-hr-recruiter-email.html
[04:43] <manchicken> nixternal: I'm debating on finding the CEO of Riverbed's email and sending him a link to my blog post ^_^
[04:44] <Hobbsee> may there be no more crazy people watching my house!
[04:44] <Jucato> bye Hobbsee! take care!
[04:44] <Hobbsee> bye1
[04:46] <Jucato> manchicken: oh wow! the nerve of that guy!
[04:47] <manchicken> Jucato: Tell me about it.
 manchicken: oh wow! the nerve of that guy! <-- okay :D
[04:47] <Jucato> tell you about it again? :)
[04:47] <manchicken> heh
[05:01] <manchicken> Digg it if you want: http://digg.com/tech_news/World_s_Dumbest_HR_Recruiter_Emailh :)
[05:37] <nixternal> Jucato: watch minataku in kubuntu. I will brb, his attitude is on my last nerve
[05:37] <Jucato> nixternal: yes. he has been banned before
[05:37] <Jucato> he really needs to go to anger management
[05:38] <nixternal> don't ban him if he does anything, give me 5 minutes and let me do it :)
[05:38] <nixternal> haha
[05:38] <nixternal> brb
[05:38] <Jucato> lol ok :)
[05:44] <Jucato> nixternal: I was trying hard to stop myself from telling Minataku who you really were... "Windows habit" lol!
[05:45] <nixternal> lol
[05:45] <nixternal> ppp auth is just how you handshake with a dial-up modem. back in the day you used to be able to connect to aol modems with noauth
[05:48] <nixternal> I guess he googled auth :)
[05:48] <Jucato> heh. at least he apologizes now :)
[05:48] <nixternal> right
[05:48] <nixternal> because he found the answer before I could link him
[05:48] <nixternal> lol
[05:49] <Jucato> last time when he was banned by LjL, he went into #ubuntu-ops in a fit... but calmed down later and attributed it to "anger issues"
[05:49] <Jucato> so I forever associate him with "anger issues" :D
[05:52] <nixternal> lol
[05:52] <nixternal> OH YA! I remember him now
[05:52] <Jucato> heh :)
[05:52] <nixternal> there used to be a guy from France, riri, who was on early last year. I helped him and his son setup their Kubuntu boxes with their Windows network, printers and such. I wish he would come back, I would be interested in chatting with him again
[05:53] <Jucato> :)
[06:10] <manchicken> nixternal: You really think that email is illegal?
[06:13] <nixternal> we learned about what he did in our business ethics course and what not to say to a potential employee when they turn down a job
[06:14] <nixternal> his email crosses the lines and is actually a viable business law case
[06:14] <nixternal> I can get the books to quote actual case laws as a matter of fact from the law library at school
[06:15] <nixternal> it is the entire "bad move", using the term "suicide" and referring to your choice, and the last statement is belitteling as well
[06:15] <nixternal> his entire email was pretty much his "professional suicide"
[06:16] <nixternal> ask him to verify those numbers, and provide sources as well
[06:16] <manchicken> nixternal: Interesting.
[06:16] <nixternal> his problem is this, and it was just on TV with the entire Rosey O'Pig and the Donald thing
[06:16] <nixternal> he didn't use "my opinion is"
[06:16] <manchicken> True.
[06:17] <nixternal> that would have changed everything in that email, but instead he said bad move by you, very deragatory and trying to knock you down
[11:26] <GNUro> 'morning!
[11:28] <fdoving> hi GNUro.
[11:28] <GNUro> hey fdoving!
[11:30] <mhb> morning
[11:36] <GNUro> hello mhb
[11:48] <mhb> hi Hobbsee
[11:49] <Hobbsee> hey mhb!
[12:54] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: are there any plans yet on how the kde 4 transition will be handled?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: as in, dist-upgrading, or what?
[12:57] <apokryphos> more a case of, will the kde 3 and 4 libs fit on one CD?
[12:57] <apokryphos> Ubugtu: fool!
[01:02] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: doubt it.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: i presume we'll jump from kde3 to kde4
[01:02] <Hobbsee> but whether all kde3 apps will run under kde4 is an interesting question
[01:06] <mhb> is the bouncing busy icon enabled by default in Feisty?
[01:06] <superstoned> Hobbsee: why wouldn't the KDE 3 and 4 libs both fit on the cd? they're not that huge... get rid of Openoffice and it's easy ;-)
[01:07] <Jucato> hehe :)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> superstoned: now that you mention it, we do plan to do that with koffice 2.0
[01:07] <Jucato> that would probably possible once the transition to KOffice from OO.o is complete
[01:07] <mhb> I hate it so much...not that it is a bad idea, but it often stops bouncing all of the sudden, then sometimes when you move the mouse it doesn't disappear from the original place etc.
[01:07] <Jucato> darn you beat me :P
[01:07] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: even if they run under kde 4 they'll still need kde3 libs
[01:07] <Hobbsee> which will coincide with kde4
[01:07] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: right.
[01:08] <apokryphos> ubuntu didn't either :P
[01:08] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: i was half hoping they wouldnt run, so we could just stop supporting all of them :P
[01:08] <Jucato> hehe :)
[01:08] <apokryphos> most other distros used to ship with both libs, but then they didn't used to have just one cd
[01:09] <apokryphos> some kde 3 apps will be for sure needed when kde 4.0 is released, I imagine
[01:09] <apokryphos> so it's either the case of holding out until you can have a pure kde 4 platform or squeezing the libs on. /me isn't sure about the space-restrictions though
[01:09] <mhb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyKde4Plan
[01:09] <superstoned> mhb: that's because the apps don't always repaint immediately if they're busy. a compositing manager will fix this (kde 4, or beryl or something)
[01:09] <apokryphos> mhb: awesome, thanks :)
[01:10] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: i would guess we'll discuss it in spain
[01:10] <superstoned> apokryphos, Hobbsee: the plan is to make it possible to mix KDE 3 and KDE 4 apps, and I think most apps will be ported anyway.
[01:11] <mhb> apokryphos: this feature has been deferred for Feisty, but it may happen for +1 I guess
[01:11] <apokryphos> superstoned: will the libs fit?
[01:11] <mhb> Hobbsee: you going?
[01:11] <superstoned> apokryphos: they're not that big...
[01:11] <Hobbsee> mhb: yep
[01:11] <apokryphos> yeah, I think feisty is too early for it anyway
[01:11] <Hobbsee> superstoned: so it seems.
[01:11] <mhb> Hobbsee: enjoy it then :o)
[01:11] <superstoned> the kdelibs are what, 20 mb?>
[01:11] <Hobbsee> it keeps crashing - not much new bling
[01:11] <apokryphos> superstoned: how about base?
[01:11] <superstoned> 30 mb
[01:12] <superstoned> approx
[01:12] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: can see some apps developing nicely though
[01:12] <superstoned> but you don't need it to run apps...
[01:12] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: indeed :)
[01:13] <mhb> superstoned: but until we use that, I guess it should be disabled
[01:13] <mhb> superstoned: (bouncing icon)
[01:13] <apokryphos> well nice, I'm happy they'll fit =)
[01:14] <superstoned> mhb: well, it provides very valuable feedback for the user that something is happening. the non-bouncing one has the same problem, so that won't make a difference either, and having just the taskbar show something isn't enough (according to some usability ppl)
[01:15] <superstoned> so it won't go away in feisty, and feisty +1 might have KDE 4 ;-)
[01:15] <Hobbsee> if kde4 is done by feisty+1
[01:15] <Hobbsee> which should be named soonish, i would think...
[01:16] <mhb> superstoned: actually from the users I know I get only the negative feedback about it
[01:17] <mhb> superstoned: example: on the end of the KDE loading splash the cursor with the bouncing K logo appears and overpaints the splash
[01:17] <superstoned> well, if they don't like it, they can turn it off. I never had anyone complain, actually most seem to like it...
[01:17] <superstoned> mhb: true, true
[01:17] <apokryphos> most love it at first, and then eventually find it annoying. Depends on the user though
[01:17] <superstoned> but it's just a visual artefact, while the usability clearly is more important.
[01:18] <mhb> I agree with Jucato
[01:18] <mhb> superstoned: is a feature good in the matter of usability when it annoys people?
[01:19] <Jucato> and that's complicated by the fact that System Settings in Edgy somehow removed the Launch Feedback module :D
[01:19] <apokryphos> I remember it getting a special mention at some particular migration of hundreds of desktops to KDE :P
[01:19] <superstoned> just some are annoyed, and it helps newbies who often click twice on an icon because nothing happened.
[01:19] <hunger> apokryphos: That bouncing thing next to the cursor?
[01:19] <apokryphos> strangely enough, yes :)
[01:20] <superstoned> apokryphos: yes, they switched to KDE BECAUSE it had the bouncing icon...
[01:20] <apokryphos> of course it wasn't the driving force, but it was one fo the things the people handling the migration loved
[01:20] <apokryphos> superstoned: I didn't say that.
[01:20] <hunger> apokryphos: We had to turn that off when we deployed KDE desktops for a customer as well.
[01:20] <Jucato> I'm sure we/they could think of a less annoying feedback notification? :D
[01:20] <superstoned> well, they did, it was a pretty big deal for them
[01:20] <apokryphos> superstoned: who was it?
[01:20] <superstoned> don't remember... article must be somewhere, i had a bookmark i thought
[01:20] <superstoned> can't find it, though
[01:21] <apokryphos> can't find it either
[01:21] <superstoned> btw you can turn the bouncing off, and use just a static icon
[01:21] <superstoned> if it's that annoying
[01:21] <mhb> I know
[01:21] <superstoned> Jucato: just impossible on the current framework
[01:21] <Jucato> mhb: are you on edgy already
[01:21] <superstoned> we need compositing to do that
[01:21] <Jucato> superstoned: yeah, I know :)
[01:21] <Jucato> that's why I said "if" :D
[01:22] <superstoned> yes yes, KDE 4 won't solve all your problems, but many ;-)
[01:22] <mhb> Jucato: no,I'm on feisty as long as I remember :o)
[01:22] <Jucato> er sorry I meant feisty
[01:22] <mhb> superstoned: has there been a discussion about it recently?
[01:22] <Jucato> mhb: could you check if Launch Feedback was returned to System Settings? hopefully under the Notifications group?\
[01:23] <superstoned> mhb: about what?
[01:23] <mhb> Jucato: I can't find it
[01:23] <mhb> superstoned: about this :o)
[01:23] <Jucato> krap...
[01:23] <mhb> superstoned: the bouncing icon
[01:23] <superstoned> aaah the bouncing icon
[01:23] <superstoned> no, I haven't seen any. with compositing, the overpainting is solved anyway...
[01:24] <superstoned> so I guess the annoying part of it will be solved
[01:24] <superstoned> and we can keep it
[01:24] <superstoned> :D
[01:24] <mhb> superstoned: everything will be solved eventually
[01:24] <superstoned> :D
[01:25] <mhb> superstoned: "oh, and KDE won't load, but in feisty+1 it will be fixed :o)"
[01:25] <superstoned> ?
[01:26] <mhb> superstoned: just a joke explaining that sometimes we should fix bugs before the release, not assuring the users it will be fixed in the future
[01:27] <mhb> do you know about any?
[01:27] <Jucato> mhb: you know who to ask about those kind of things :D
[01:27] <superstoned> ask on kde-usability mailinglist...
[01:27] <Jucato> and you're pretty much close to her
[01:28] <Hobbsee> her?
[01:28] <superstoned> haha
[01:28] <mhb> I don't think my girlfriend knows about it
[01:28] <superstoned> see who's waking up...
[01:28] <Hobbsee> oh seele
[01:28] <mhb> .o)
[01:28] <Jucato> lol
[01:28] <Hobbsee> ahhh....
[01:28] <mhb> I can't even convince her to use Kubuntu more often
[01:28] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yes. seele :P
[01:28] <superstoned> mhb: stop supporting windows....
[01:28] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:28] <hunger> mhb: I'll ask my boss. IIRC that topic did pop up in our test user group, so she might have some hard data.
[01:28] <Jucato> mhb: although she does say in interviews that she uses Kubuntu :)
[01:28] <superstoned> mhb: it'll break down on here, some day or another, and she'll need linux to get her work done.
[01:29] <mhb> hunger: thanks
[01:30] <hunger> Oh, have to run, BBL.
[01:30] <mhb> superstoned: true
[01:31] <mhb> superstoned: I'm not sure if a bouncing icon is the best way how to do it anyway
[01:31] <mhb> IMHO it draws too much attention
[01:31] <Jucato> it's a notification.. but too distractive... might as well have used a popup :P
[01:32] <superstoned> come on, guys, it just shows up for what, 2 seconds, when you start applications? and it ONLY has visual artefacts if the app you are hovering over hangs...
[01:32] <superstoned> it's immediate feedback you've started something
[01:32] <superstoned> and I've never heard anyone say anything else than 'hey, that's cute' when they saw it...
[01:33] <mhb> superstoned: hmm, I may have an older laptop, but the K logo icon appears for like 5+ secs
[01:33] <serzholino> I miss this when launching non-KDE apps
[01:33] <superstoned> well, ok, it's not that funny on my old laptop as well. just disable it if it annoys you...
[01:33] <superstoned> serzholino: yes!!! you can turn it on, but it keeps on bouncing even when they are already started :(
[01:33] <superstoned> hey i'm leaving
[01:34] <superstoned> my gf won't like me if i don't take a shower now...
[01:34] <mhb> superstoned: see you
[01:34] <superstoned> cu
[01:57] <mhb> hmm
[01:58] <mhb> is this a bug or a feature? :o)
[01:58] <Jucato> features... depending on the distro...
[01:59] <Jucato> I guess
[01:59] <mhb> I don't have a problem with a GNOME app having tabs above and KDE below
[01:59] <mhb> but that's not the case
[01:59] <Jucato> only Konqueror has tabs above. most KDE apps, like Konsole, Konvi, Quanta, have bottom tabs by default (in KDE)
[02:00] <Jucato> not sure about Kopete, though
[02:00] <mhb> Konsole &Kopete have tabs below, Konqueror& systemsettings above
[02:00] <Jucato> well, the system settings is a new one...
[02:00] <Jucato> and on Kubuntu, we put Konvi tabs at the left
[02:00] <mhb> what's konvi?
[02:00] <Jucato> konversation
[02:01] <mhb> ah
[02:01] <Jucato> from what I've been told, aside from Konqueror, the default KDE placement for tabs is at the bottom
[02:02] <mhb> hmm
[02:02] <Jucato> hm... looks like KDevelop 3.4 has tabs at the top... not sure if that's default KDE or Kubuntu though
[02:02] <serzholino> i think its default KDE
[02:03] <mhb> I guess 99% of people using Kubuntu use a web browser
[02:03] <mhb> either Konqueror or something else
[02:03] <mhb> and all the browsers I know have tabs above
[02:03] <Jucato> yep. it wouldn't make sense to put Konqueror's tabs at the bottom now...
[02:03] <mhb> and GNOME apps do so, too
[02:04] <mhb> well then I can't see the reason why to put the tabs below
[02:04] <serzholino> tabs at the bottom is ok in apps with small window sizes
[02:04] <serzholino> like chat windows
[02:04] <Jucato> although if you have 10 tabs in Konversation...
[02:04] <mhb> serzholino: is there an explanation for that?
[02:04] <serzholino> no :) it's my opinion
[02:05] <mhb> serzholino: I mean there has to be a very sensible reason why are we differing from the rest of the world, right?
[02:05] <serzholino> yep, but i don't know it
[02:06] <mhb> Jucato: well
[02:06] <Jucato> oh... KDE has lots of side tabs too :)
[02:07] <mhb> Jucato: I haven't used Windows that much but I seem to remember that tabs in Configure panels were always above
[02:07] <Jucato> konqi, kate, kdevelop, quanta...
[02:07] <Jucato> yep. but those are configuration panels... not exactly the same as main windows
[02:08] <mhb> Jucato: yes. They didn't put tabs in the main windows much
[02:08] <Jucato> they didn't have tabs in main windows. period :)
[02:08] <mhb> Jucato: of those I only use kate and I can understand the reason why it's on the side there
[02:08] <Tm_T> Not at all, so you got your desktop all cluttered with 20+ windows etc.
[02:11] <mhb> Jucato: with kate you need to do some stuff it would be hard to achieve with tabs
[02:12] <mhb> Jucato: and you need to support a whole lot of open files
[02:12] <Jucato> mhb: gedit has tabs at the top :)
[02:12] <Jucato> it just so happens that Kate itself doesn't have a tabbed interface
[02:13] <Jucato> or the capability of having one
[02:13] <mhb> Jucato: really? I never used that
[02:13] <mhb> Jucato: well, I can imagine there are a few arguments for kate ... well it's not tabs at all
[02:14] <mhb> Jucato: I still think having all tabs on the top would improve usability
[02:14] <mhb> because people would know where the tabs are
[02:14] <mhb> and wouldn't have to check every time
[02:14] <Jucato> hm.... I haven't heard/seen of any complaints w/ tabs at the bottom though...
[02:15] <mhb> Jucato: it may be not as annoying
[02:15] <Jucato> and in most cases where tabs are at the bottom, they are "advanced" programs: kate, quanta, etc.
[02:15] <Jucato> I dare say, it's actually negligible
[02:15] <mhb> kopete is no. 2 for people using Kubuntu, I believe :o)
[02:16] <Tm_T> mhb: Kopete IMHO must have tabs at bottom.
[02:16] <mhb> well maybe no. 3 after kontact
[02:17] <Tm_T> "tabs where focus is" is my basic rule. :)
[02:18] <mhb> Tm_T: that sounds logical
[02:18] <Jucato> mhb: also, imho, tabs at the top for those apps would actually be a bit more distractive
[02:19] <Jucato> unlike in web browsing, where tabs immediately and clearly indicate something that needs immediate attention, the other tabs don't
[02:20] <mhb> what really puzzles me is that a KDE app can have tabs on the bottom and GNOME one on the top
[02:20] <mhb> even if they do the same thing
[02:20] <mhb> and both projects have usability experts
[02:20] <Jucato> simple. GNOME is silly. hehehe
[02:20] <Jucato> j/k
[02:20] <mhb> and my common sense tells me one solutions has to be better than the other one
[02:21] <Jucato> why does one of them absolutely have to be better?
[02:21] <mhb> just my crazy logic .o)
[02:22] <Jucato> :)
[02:23] <mhb> reminds me of the discussion about what current should be set as the "default" one for energy transportation
 unlike in web browsing, where tabs immediately and clearly indicate something that needs immediate attention, the other tabs don't <--- I had it the other way around it seems... crazy me
[02:23] <mhb> history tells us there are examples where one solution was better than the other :o)
[02:24] <Jucato> FOSS history tells us that two solutions could both be write and co-exist :)
[02:24] <Jucato> er...
[02:24] <Jucato> s/write/right/
[02:25] <mhb> and then FOSS gets criticised a lot for that :o)
[02:26] <Jucato> good people get criticized a lot too :)
[02:26] <Jucato> doesn't mean they're wrong :D
[02:30] <Tm_T> Problem in Gnome-world, you can't control where tabs are.
[02:30] <Tm_T> Atleast I didn't find easy way to configure that.
[02:30] <RadiantFire> i think tabs on any side are the best
[02:30] <RadiantFire> because people work differently
[02:30] <RadiantFire> thats a cool thing about gaim is  you can move the tabs around
[02:30] <RadiantFire> except tabs on the side look stupid, but thats a different problem all together
[02:31] <Tm_T> In Kopete too, and Konsole and... atleast you have choice.
[02:31] <RadiantFire> you can do it in Kopete
[02:31] <RadiantFire> wow, I"m an idiot
[02:31] <RadiantFire> then again, I never really looked around
[02:31] <Tm_T> RadiantFire: Hey, it's KDE app afterall. =)
[02:31] <Jucato> :)
[02:32] <mhb> RadiantFire: where can you do that in Kopete?
[02:32] <RadiantFire> I'm still looking
[02:32] <RadiantFire> I think its under tabs->tab placement
[02:32] <RadiantFire> in a conversation window
[02:32] <RadiantFire> that seems like a bad place ot put it
[02:33] <RadiantFire> sicne thats the only place I can find it
[02:33] <Tm_T> Hmm, or rightclick over tab?
[02:33] <Jucato> right-click at the tab
[02:34] <chavo> there's a tababr replacement for kate that lets you put tabs on bottom
[02:34] <Jucato> Tab placement
[02:34] <Jucato> chavo: yes, but it's an ugly thing/hack
[02:34] <mhb> cool
[02:34] <chavo> if it's a hack then so is the tabbar included
[02:35] <RadiantFire> yeah
[02:35] <RadiantFire> plugin for tabs is foolish
[02:35] <RadiantFire> I happen to like the list anyway
[02:35] <Jucato> chavo: tabbar included?
[02:36] <RadiantFire> because I usually have 10 or so files open
[02:36] <chavo> the plugin thats in kdeaddons
[02:36] <RadiantFire> the kate snippet plugin is also useless to me, cuz I can't figure out the syntax
[02:36] <RadiantFire> curse you kate!
[02:36] <Jucato> chavo: ah
[02:36] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:37] <RadiantFire> well, there might be others, must cover my bases
[02:39] <RadiantFire> thats sad
[02:39] <RadiantFire> how big is it?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> 124 unread, at the moment
[02:40] <Hobbsee> + sponsors mail
[02:40] <RadiantFire> oh wow
[02:40] <Hobbsee> + sponsors stuff, which i really have to deal with.  ie, porting the mailing list
[02:41] <Hobbsee> if it's too big, and looks uninteresting
[02:42] <RadiantFire> lol
[02:42] <RadiantFire> thats what the trashcan is useful for
[02:43] <RadiantFire> when you get a message that says "OmGz, why haven't you responded"
[02:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:47] <hunger> Could you change the trashcan's icon to not show a full trashcan when some files are in it?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> hunger: then when does it become full?
[02:47] <hunger> I keep "bringing out the trash" to have my desktop tidy... which defeats the purpose of the whole thing.
[02:47] <hunger> Hobbsee: NEVER!
[02:48] <Jucato> trash can icon on the desktop or on kicker?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hunger: heh, then you take it off the desktop :P
[02:48] <hunger> Hobbsee: All the users I know "move file to trash" and emediently empty the trash can so their desktop won't look untidy.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hunger: exactly :P
[02:49] <Jucato> hunger: if it's on the desktop, simply editing the .desktop file for it will do
[02:49] <hunger> I do not have a shortcut on the desktop. The trashcan is in the taskbar here.
[02:50] <Jucato> ah
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ditto the taskbar
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hunger: you can remove any element off kicker, including the trash
[02:50] <hunger> And there is no easy way to customize it... and IMHO it would be nice if kubuntu did not show a full trash by default.
[02:51] <Jucato> it's a KDE default afaik
[02:51] <hunger> Hobbsee: I can remove the element, but I want to have easy access to the trash in case I acidentally delete something.
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hunger: which is shown in ~ for konqi
[02:51] <Hobbsee> also found by Trash:/
[02:51] <hunger> Jucato: So what... when has that ever stopped you guys from changing it?
[02:51] <Jucato> :D
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hunger: bitter much?
[02:52] <hunger> Hobbsee: I can't tell my father in law to remember "Trash:/":-)
[02:52] <Jucato> touch
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hunger: anyway, sabdfl says we have to have the trash in the desktop
[02:52] <RadiantFire> ?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hunger: true.  hence he'd see it in ~ when one first opens konqi
[02:52] <hunger> Hobbsee: I do not see Trash there...
[02:53] <Hobbsee> oh sorry, nto ~
[02:53] <hunger> Hobbsee: And having Trash in ~ seems pretty awful... even more tempting to delete it there:-)
[02:53] <Hobbsee> the default thing that comes up when you open konqi
[02:54] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Go, shush!
[02:54] <hunger> I should probably just copy the empty trash icon over the full trash icon and be done with it... but then I need to fix up stuff after each update.
[02:54] <Tm_T> Goodnight o/
[02:54] <Jucato> night Hobbsee! :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: how'd the question thingo go?
[02:55] <hunger> Hobbsee: Goodnight!
[02:55] <Jucato> Hobbsee: um.. it went fine... nothing really big or radical
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahhh okay
[02:55] <Jucato> first thing held in #ubuntu-meeting to finish undertime :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:56] <Jucato> 45 minutes, vs. 1 hour allotted to it
[02:56] <Jucato> hunger: I'm looking at /usr/share/apps/kicker/applets/trashapplet.desktop ... but I forgot which line actually affects it...
[02:59] <freeflying> prepare do a herd5 test, but no iso for powerpc now
[03:01] <hunger> Do the kicker plugins really need to come as .la and .so files?
[03:02] <Jucato> almost all plugins do, afaik
[03:02] <Jucato> KDE plugins
[03:02] <hunger> Aren't the .so files sufficient?
[03:05] <hunger> Seems to work fine for everybody else though:-(
[03:29] <Riddell> hunger: plugins need the .la I believe
[03:31] <hunger>  Riddell: AFAIK la files used by libtool... and libtool is used during development/linking only.
[03:31] <serzholino> yep
[03:31] <fdoving> konq-plugins include both .so and .la
[03:31] <hunger> Riddell: dlopen definitly does not look at them and the plugins should be dlopened, so you should not need to ship them.
[03:32] <hunger> fdoving: kicker applet as well.
[03:42] <fdoving> hunger: they are needed.
[03:45] <fdoving> as per http://api.kde.org/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKLibLoader.html
[03:45] <fdoving> klibloader uses the info in the .la files to read depenencies etc. for each dynamically loaded lib.
[03:46] <hunger> Riddel: Forget what I said:-)
[06:02] <odla> are there visual differences between kde 4 and kde 3.5 for the end-user right now?
[06:04] <fdoving> yes, kde4 is barely usable.
[06:04] <manchicken> heh
[06:04] <manchicken> So you're saying that kde4 has a feature that makes X crash?
[06:04] <manchicken> heh
[06:04] <fdoving> no, it's just not finished yet.
[06:05] <manchicken> Is there a feisty preview yet?
[06:05] <fdoving> i've somehow managed to break my NX setup, so i can't tell if anything has changed dramatically the last week or so..
[06:05] <fdoving> not that i'm aware of.
[06:05] <fdoving> I compile it from svn.
[06:09] <odla> feisty's coming along nicely though
[06:11] <manchicken> yup
[08:08] <DaSkreech> mhb: ping
[08:11] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Ping
[08:11] <nixternal> pongalfdk8430
[08:13] <DaSkreech> omgd00drotflmaamfousoroolzponiez!!!
[08:13] <DaSkreech> nixternal: What was that entire debate about the notification about?
[08:14] <nixternal> what notification?
[08:15] <mhb> DaSkreech: just me being angry at notification redraws
[08:15] <DaSkreech> nixternal: wasn't that solved already?
[08:15] <DaSkreech> mhb: wasn't that replaced wih a frowing icon ni herd5?
[08:15] <nixternal> am I missing something?
[08:16] <DaSkreech> Bah
[08:16] <DaSkreech>  Growing icon in herd 5
[08:16] <mhb> DaSkreech: nixternal might not know much as he wasn't there
[08:16] <DaSkreech> Well isn't he the keeper of the page?
[08:16] <mhb> DaSkreech: ya
[08:16] <mhb> that he does, and we are grateful!
[08:16] <mhb> :o)
[08:17] <mhb> DaSkreech: I have both the growing logo and bouncing icon
[08:17] <DaSkreech> mhb: So back to your annoyances. wasnt that solved?
[08:17] <mhb> DaSkreech: so I dunno
[08:17] <nixternal> oh, the growing icon thing
[08:17] <nixternal> I wasn't around for the debate it seems
[08:18] <DaSkreech> mhb: so you were arguing to turn of the mouse notification?
[08:18] <mhb> DaSkreech: are you sure the growing icon replaces the bouncing cursor icon?
[08:18] <mhb> DaSkreech: well, it redraws itself badly, which I dislike
[08:18] <DaSkreech> I thought it was
[08:21] <marseillai> Riddell: i've on my hard drive an "old" dapper wich had some configuration problems. If you want i can upgrade it to edgy and test adept-dist-upgrader or do any other test you need on it.
[08:29] <toma> nixternal: whats the past tense of strike through?
[08:29] <nixternal> heh, trick question
[08:29] <toma> "... will be shown as a message strike through" ?
[08:29] <nixternal> struck through?
[08:30] <toma> ;-)
[08:30] <nixternal> struck would be past tense of strike
[08:30] <nixternal> man, I need to work on my English
[08:30] <nixternal> lol
[08:30] <toma> hmm
[08:30] <manchicken> So is anybody going to help me out with the details button causing crashing for adept? :)
[08:30] <toma> you do documentation, right?
[08:30] <toma> ;-)
[08:30] <nixternal> toma: yes, I do it, but I never said it was correct :)
[08:31] <toma> lol
[08:31] <nixternal> speaking of documentation, I will start this week on some mailody lovin'
[08:31] <nixternal> 5 more days until our string freeze here. then I can do Mailody, then work on KDE4 and KOffice 2 stuff
[08:31] <toma> nixternal: great, i'm extending the documentation as we speak
[08:31] <nixternal> yay, more work :)
[08:32] <fdoving> nice work guys, now i'm the lazy one.
[08:32] <nixternal> haha
[08:33] <toma> fdoving: you found this out after two weeks ? ;-)
[08:34] <fdoving> yep :)
[08:43] <claydoh> lol strike-through in this case (i think) is a noun
[08:43] <claydoh> so no past tense
[08:44] <toma> ow
[08:44] <claydoh> but things may have changed in grammer since the 70's
[08:44] <toma> lol
[08:44] <claydoh> or my lang skill has gone the way of my spelling
[08:45] <toma> claydoh: so the sentence as i pasted was correct?
[08:45] <claydoh> yes
[08:45] <claydoh> though it might be 'strike-through' with a dash, not sure on that
[08:46] <claydoh> I did get an a+ in grammar back in middle school, but that was 1979
[08:47] <toma> claydoh: o, is that high?
[08:47] <claydoh> thats almost shakespearean age
[08:47] <claydoh> yes, it was a score of 100%
[08:48] <toma> o good
[08:48] <claydoh> you would never know it now, though :)
[09:07] <manchicken> I *really* need a hand with this.
[10:19] <_StefanS_> hi there
[10:21] <manchicken> hiya
[11:33] <jjesse> in my feisty vm i'm seeing a lot of messages under a "console session"
[11:33] <jjesse> ata2.00 exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0
[11:34] <jjesse> any ideas what those might be?  i don't see anything when i'm a kde session
[11:34] <nixternal> I need to put Kubuntu back into a vm


[09:04] <xubuntu53i> join
[17:50] <ssarah> what's the name of the process that thunar opens?
[17:50] <ssarah> ps | grep for "thunar" and there's nothing
[17:52] <diogenes_> ssarah, ps aux | grep Thunar
[18:02] <ssarah> ah shit
[18:02] <ssarah> it's cased
[18:02] <ssarah> ty
[18:05] <lopta> Does Xubuntu boot faster than (Gnome) Ubuntu?
[18:06] <genii> They all boot about the same
[18:07] <lopta> Hmm... perhaps there's something wrong with the PC I'm testing then.
[18:08] <genii> As far as how long it takes to get to the login screen. The differences then start with the desktop manager and desktop environment afterwards
[18:09] <genii> All *buntu variations will bog during boot if it hangs on something, like network is not working, etc
[18:16] <lopta> Ah, that's fair enough then.
[18:40] <D-melanogaster> what the default keyboard shortcut to open terminal of active window?
[18:42] <diogenes_> D-melanogaster, right click on the empty space and "open in terminal"
[18:42] <D-melanogaster> if there is no empty space?
[18:43] <D-melanogaster> shortcut doesn't exist?
[18:45] <diogenes_> not that i know of
[18:45] <diogenes_> and i haven't seen one in other DEs
[18:46] <D-melanogaster> damn
[18:48] <D-melanogaster> it's quite uncomfortable don't you think?
[18:48] <diogenes_> D-melanogaster, what exactly is uncomfortable?
[18:49] <D-melanogaster> shortcut for this option
[18:50] <diogenes_> for my case i don't see any problem there but if you want you can loon into nautilus terminal plugin so it show you a little terminal window in any directory you go to.
[18:50] <diogenes_> s/loon/look*
[18:52] <D-melanogaster> hm, this is a case, thanks
[18:52] <diogenes_> yw
[19:42] <Spass> D-melanogaster, I have a shortcut for that action (F4 in my case), but you need to set it yourself in Thunar menu Edit -> Actions
[19:42] <Spass> and then choose Open in terminal and edit that action, you can add your shortcut there
[19:43] <Spass> (if you have two "Open in terminal" actions on your list add a shortcut for both of them)
[19:45] <Spass> at least that's what I have on 18.10
[19:45] <Spass> but if you're on 18.04 there are other ways to add that shortcut
[20:08] <D-melanogaster> Spass: At the Thunar menu Edit -> Actions no fields for adding a shortcut combination. Actually I can open a terminal by using Ctrl+Alt+T but it always starts with ~ directory no matter what directory opened in Thunar
[20:10] <Spass> D-melanogaster, what Xubuntu version do you use? you can try this - in Appearance preferences, Settings tab, enable editable accelerators
[20:11] <Spass> then open Thunar, open File menu, hover on Open in terminal and press F4 (for example)
[20:11] <Spass> and see if that works
[20:12] <Spass> I think I did it like this on 18.04 some time ago
[20:16] <D-melanogaster> Spass: When I can check it? I just realized uname -a doesn't display it :/
[20:16] <D-melanogaster> I mean version
[20:16] <D-melanogaster> I think 18.04
[20:17] <Spass> try "lsb_release -a"
[20:17] <D-melanogaster> yea 18.04
[20:19] <D-melanogaster> Wooo
[20:19] <D-melanogaster> Spass: it works
[20:20] <Spass> nice, and one more thing before you disable that editable accelerators
[20:20] <D-melanogaster> Such a horrible manipulations for that small thing
[20:20] <Spass> you should do that shortcut edit when you have clicked a normal file and a directory, as both actions are slightly different
[20:21] <Spass> but both are named "Open in terminal"
[20:21] <Spass> (I think you can set the same shortcut for both)
[20:22] <Spass> and yeah, I recommend having that editable accelerators disabled after the change, to not mess things up by mistake someday :)
[20:23] <Spass> one single cat on a keyboard could cause a real shortcut disaster
[20:25] <D-melanogaster> Spass: Yeah Thanks a lot dude. Is this accelerating think sensible just for keyboard or mouse buttons too?
[20:26] <Spass> I think just keyboard
[20:27] <Spass> but you can check
[20:30] <D-melanogaster> No it doesn't (a have a lot of mouse buttons). Anyway now I know how to ruin ubuntu machines :D
[20:31] <Spass> please, don't ruin Xubuntu machines :)
[20:33] <D-melanogaster> Xubuntu - never, but I am not sure about ubuntu)
[20:46] <BloqueNegro> hi together :)
[20:46] <BloqueNegro> i just found a keyboard layout 'eurkey' which works perfectly for me
[20:47] <BloqueNegro> however, i can only set it via setxkbmap eu
[20:47] <BloqueNegro> which will be reset after reboot
[20:47] <BloqueNegro> i can NOT select it from sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[20:47] <BloqueNegro> any idea or hint how to set eurkey permanently?
[20:58] <brainwash> BloqueNegro: add it to the autostart apps
[20:58] <brainwash> the setxkbmap command
[21:00] <brainwash> xfce settings manager > session and startup > application autostart
[21:09] <BloqueNegro> uh, sounds kinda dirty... but ok^^
[21:26] <brainwash> BloqueNegro: how is that dirty?
[21:30] <brainwash> BloqueNegro: tried to change it via settings manager > keyboard?
[21:37] <BloqueNegro> brainwash: i did
[21:38] <BloqueNegro> however the keuboard manager seems to pull the data from the same source as keyboard-configuration
[21:38] <BloqueNegro> and setting it once there has the risk that it may be overwritten during the os phase without me really knowing it


[03:21] <ia0001> hello is there a reason why ubuntu flash isnt working
[03:21] <ia0001> i mean why flash isnt working on server 12.04
[03:27] <BigWhale> Good Morning.
[03:52] <robert_ancell> desrt, around?
[06:30] <pitti_> Good morning
[06:31] <didrocks> bonjour pitti!
[06:32] <pitti> hey  didrocks
[06:58] <desrt> word.
[06:59] <desrt> hello from european time
[07:00] <didrocks> hey desrt! how is your jetlag? :)
[07:00] <desrt> i don't have any yet :)
[07:01] <desrt> i sure hope to stay that way...
[07:01] <didrocks> heh, let's hope you will follow that path in the following days ;)
[07:01] <desrt> attente: when you wake up, i just pushed the gtk patch to the 'gicon is a bad interface' bug
[07:02] <desrt> for your testing pleasure
[07:10] <desrt> larsu: got wifi on the train? :)
[07:16] <desrt> does anyone know of a good system in C for handling python-style named format strings?
[07:16] <desrt> like how you can have '%(foo)s' % {'foo':'bar'}
[07:23]  * desrt goes to catch a train.  ciao.
[07:48] <seb128> hey desktopers
[07:50] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[07:50] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:50] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, pitti, didrocks
[07:51] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[07:51] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson!
[07:51] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, didrocks, pitti, how are you?
[07:51] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, good thanks. how are you?
[07:51] <pitti> pretty tired, I slept badly; but fine otherwise; how about you?
[07:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, good to see you still around on the desktop channel ;-)
[07:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good, thanks
[07:52] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i've not moved that far really ;)
[07:52] <seb128> pitti, I'm good, slept mostly well (though I woke up a couple of time during the night, not sure why, but I managed to go back to sleep every time without issue)
[07:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson,  how is it to work on a new laptop boosted with disk space and extra ram? ;-)
[07:52] <pitti> we had a pretty tough storm and a lot of rain during the night
[07:52] <pitti> chrisccoulson: oh, you got a new toy?
[07:53] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it's pretty good. i can comfortably run 9 VM's on it and still be able to compile firefox
[07:53] <seb128> lol
[07:53] <seb128> crazy
[07:53] <pitti> wow, must be a helluva machine
[07:54] <chrisccoulson> pitti, yeah, i got a new latitude, but i stuck 16GB of RAM in it and one of these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Series-512GB-Solid-State/dp/B009LI7CYE/
[07:54] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, a friend of mine recently bought the 300-something GB variant of that, he's very satisfied
[07:55] <pitti> chrisccoulson: tried running gnome disks' performance check on it?
[07:55] <chrisccoulson> pitti, not yet. i might try that in a bit :)
[07:56] <pitti> my 3 year old SSD gives me 210 MB/s still (started with 250), I can only imagine how fast your's is now :)
[07:57] <pitti> but actually, I never felt it being a bottleneck
[07:57] <pitti> having a lot of RAM is quite a bit more important
[07:58] <seb128> pitti, how do you test it? "disks" seem to not want the disk to be mounted to be able to test it
[07:58] <pitti> with /tmp/ being a tmpfs, putting sbuild overlays into /tmp etc., there is hardly anythign that actually touches the disk during large package builds
[07:58] <pitti> seb128: you can do a r/o test on a mounted partition
[07:58] <pitti> seb128: for r/w you need to boot a live system, yes
[07:58] <chrisccoulson> pitti, yeah, i think your SSD performance is similar to my last one (intel 320 series)
[07:58] <seb128> hum
[07:58] <seb128> "Erreur pendant la recherche depuis<PHONE_NUMBER> (g-io-error-quark, 13)"
[07:59] <chrisccoulson> i haven't tried building firefox in tmpfs yet. i have enough RAM to do that now though :)
[07:59] <pitti> seb128: hm, I get a dialog box saying "busy" when requesting a write test, and a read test just works
[07:59] <seb128> "Error seeking to offset<PHONE_NUMBER> (g-io-error-quark, 13)"
[08:00] <seb128> on a read test
[08:00] <seb128> no benchmark for me it seems
[08:00] <pitti> any smart failures?
[08:00] <seb128> no
[08:02] <chrisccoulson> pitti, Average Read Rate: 526.6 MB/s :)
[08:02] <pitti> nice!
[08:02] <chrisccoulson> i couldn't do the write test either though
[08:03] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yeah, you need to boot a life CD for that
[08:03] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[08:03] <pitti> it's not destructive, but can't be run on a mounted drive to avoid endangering data integrity
[08:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that makes sense :)
[08:04] <didrocks> 502,0 Mo/s here ;)
[08:04] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, nice :)
[08:05] <pitti> what is a Mo?
[08:05] <didrocks> pitti: MB, but better, as in French ;)
[08:05] <pitti> *sob*
[08:05] <didrocks> ;)
[08:05] <didrocks> "octet"
[08:05]  * pitti holds up the "SI units tout le monde" cardboard sign
[08:05] <didrocks> oct = 8
[08:06] <pitti> well, but one doesn't translate SI units
[08:06] <didrocks> so we don't have the bits/bytes issue ;)
[08:06] <seb128> so I'm the only one having the seek error? not fair!
[08:06] <didrocks> seb128: it seems so, you disable write tests, right?
[08:06] <chrisccoulson> the french have to be different ;)
[08:06] <chrisccoulson> :P
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: I never saw that error anywhere, and I have run disks on quite a lot of machines
[08:06] <seb128> didrocks, yes, I've a busy disk message if I don't
[08:06] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: pitti: but don't worry, we do have as well the Mio/Mo war as well ;)
[08:06] <Laney> hey there
[08:06] <seb128> pitti, disks works fine, that's just the benchmark doing that
[08:07] <chrisccoulson> hey Laney
[08:07] <pitti> right, I meant the benchmark
[08:07] <pitti> seb128: it probably gets confused on seeking to the 100th Mo!
[08:07] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[08:07] <pitti> good morning Laney
[08:07] <Laney> hey chrisccoulson didrocks pitti!
[08:07] <didrocks> seb128: you will notice that pitti adapted to "Mo" already \o/
[08:07] <Laney> happy wednesday
[08:07] <seb128> Laney, hey
[08:08]  * pitti slaps didrocks
[08:08] <Laney> and seb128 too :-)
[08:08]  * didrocks runs away crying
[08:08] <seb128> pitti, at least I'm not alone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/1081019
[08:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1081019 in gnome-disk-utility (Ubuntu) "Benchmark for Harddisk fail" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:10] <seb128> pitti, my bet is that it hates 32bit users and you are all 64bits fanboys :p
[08:10] <pitti> seb128: peut-être nous pouvons le regarder au sprint?
[08:10] <seb128> pitti, oui, bien sûr
[08:10] <pitti> seb128: c'est facile, test avec un live CD?
[08:11] <seb128> pitti, je vais le faire et je te dirais
[08:11] <pitti> seb128: I run 32 bit on the netbook, and it works fine there
[08:11] <seb128> how big is the disk?
[08:11] <didrocks> No opinion on semantic versionning? I would like to impose it for our PS projects.
[08:11] <pitti> 16 GB
[08:11] <pitti> seb128: ^ that's the mini 10
[08:11] <seb128> k, anyway, I will try with a liveCD
[08:11] <seb128> and otherwise we can have a look at the sprint
[08:16] <Laney> my, what a pretty wallpaper I have
[08:16] <Laney> would be more useful with a desktop environment on top of it though
[08:17] <seb128> Laney, you don't enjoy clean and simple then?
[08:17] <didrocks> it's the "zen" theme :)
[08:17] <Laney> taking "minimal" to the (almost) extreme
[08:17] <seb128> Laney, joke aside, is  that your session ... did it just break after today's update?
[08:17] <Laney> I still have a context menu to change the wallpaper or create folders :P
[08:17] <Laney> I didn't update yet today, so yesterday's
[08:17] <didrocks> so just no Unity
[08:17] <seb128> oh, "only" unity having issue then
[08:17] <Laney> indeed
[08:18] <seb128> what is in your .xsession-errors?
[08:18] <Laney> just something from ib-config
[08:18] <Laney> m
[08:18] <seb128> ah, I always forget
[08:18] <Laney> but I am using user sessions
[08:18] <seb128> .cache/upstart/gnome-session.log
[08:18] <Laney> hmm
[08:19] <Laney> let me poke, might be local borkage
[08:19] <seb128> we need to teach apport about upstart logs btw
[08:19] <seb128> pitti, ^
[08:19] <seb128> pitti, I will open a bug about that (if there isn't already one)
[08:20] <pitti> seb128: you mean attaching /var/log/upstart/<service>.log for system reports?
[08:20] <pitti> they aren't readable for adm (I think that's a bug)
[08:20] <Laney> ~/.cache/upstart/foo.log for user jobs
[08:20] <seb128> pitti, no, with upstart user sessions (that will be the default for Ubuntu soon), .xsession-errors is empty
[08:20] <pitti> hm, I don't even have a ~/.cache/upstart
[08:20] <seb128> pitti, gnome-session is started by upstart and its output is in .cache/upstart/<job>.log
[08:21] <seb128> pitti, did you enable user sessions?
[08:21] <pitti> seb128: not deliberately; I just keep dist-upgrading
[08:21] <seb128> pitti, ok, edit /etc/upstart-xsessions if you want to enable it
[08:21] <seb128> just uncomment the ubuntu line
[08:21] <pitti> ah, so we don't do that by default yet
[08:22] <seb128> no, it was a bit late
[08:22] <seb128> one of the "first thing in "s""
[08:22] <seb128> pitti, it's ready, the FFe didn't got acked because it came a bit late
[08:22] <seb128> same story that logind
[08:23] <pitti> I guess we'll enable a lot of that at the sprint
[08:23] <seb128> yep
[08:23] <pitti> squishy will be fun in the first few weeks
[08:23] <Laney> the main issue at the time was Xsession.d scripts needing to be ported to jobs
[08:24] <Laney> think the most important ones are done now
[08:25] <seb128> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1167196
[08:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1167196 in apport (Ubuntu) "should look for errors in upstart log once user sessions are enabled" [Undecided,New]
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: thanks, adjusted; it's on https://launchpad.net/~pitti/+upcomingwork now :)
[08:26]  * pitti loves +upcomingwork
[08:27] <seb128> ;-)
[08:28] <Laney> compiz (core) - Error: Plugin 'opengl' not loaded.
[08:28] <Laney> would that break it?
[08:28] <seb128> Laney, most likely yes
[08:29] <seb128> did you break permissions on your video card again?
[08:29] <pitti> I did that a couple of times when working on logind ACLs, and unity still started up (in llvmpipe mode)
[08:30] <Laney> I get all 'yes' when running unity_support_test -p
[08:32] <seb128> Laney, is compiz working for other users?
[08:34] <Laney> good point, i'll try the guest user
[08:34] <Laney> yes :(
[08:34] <seb128> Laney, do you have a local opengl plugin in .compiz-1 or something?
[08:35] <seb128> Laney, try to strace -f compiz 2>&1 | grep opengl
[08:35] <seb128> see where it's loading it from
[08:40] <Laney> .cache/compizconfig-1/opengl.pb
[08:42] <seb128> Laney, what is in this file?
[08:42] <seb128> hum
[08:42] <seb128> ignore that, I've it there as well
[08:42] <seb128> Laney, but it should be trying to load an opengl.so
[08:43] <seb128> Laney, gsettings get org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins
[08:43] <seb128> ?
[08:44] <Laney> ['core', 'ccp', 'composite', 'decor', 'compiztoolbox', 'imgpng', 'gnomecompat', 'place', 'mousepoll', 'grid', 'snap', 'move', 'resize', 'regex', 'session', 'vpswitch', 'workarounds']
[08:44] <Laney> no opengl?
[08:47]  * Laney tries moving the .cache directory
[08:48] <seb128> Laney, reset the gsettings key I would say
[08:48] <seb128> but then go figure why it went missing
[08:50] <Laney> right, that fixed it ...
[08:50] <Laney> ['core', 'composite', 'opengl', 'compiztoolbox', 'decor', 'vpswitch', 'snap', 'mousepoll', 'resize', 'place', 'move', 'wall', 'grid', 'regex', 'imgpng', 'session', 'gnomecompat', 'animation', 'fade', 'unitymtgrabhandles', 'workarounds', 'scale', 'expo', 'ezoom', 'unityshell']
[08:50] <Laney> does it remove plugins from that list when they fail to load once?
[08:50] <seb128> it shouldn't, but I guess it does...
[08:50] <seb128> or there are case where that seems to happen at least
[08:51] <seb128> that's the only explanation I've for it
[08:51] <Laney> because nvidia-310 is borked with new kernels (tseliot is on it) and so I got nouveau for one boot before I went back to an old kernel
[08:52] <tseliot> Laney: -310, -310-updates, -304 and -304-updates should be fixed now in raring-proposed
[08:53] <Laney> tseliot: I don't see them - probably in the queue
[08:53] <Laney> ah yes, there they are
[08:53] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue?queue_state=1
[08:53] <Laney> did you just get rid of the check or did you fix it up?
[08:54] <tseliot> Laney: well, I simply removed the check to see if SUBLEVEL is less than 5
[08:54] <Laney> fair enough
[10:00] <seb128> Laney, btw, I registered https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-s-use-upstart-user-sessions while you were on holidays (just for info)
[10:00] <seb128> Laney, if you have ideas where we can use upstart session jobs, please dump them in there
[10:01] <Laney> ah great, thank you
[10:35] <darkxst> seb128, do you know where things are at, with the region panel in g-c-c? is ubuntu still using language-selector
[10:35] <seb128> yes, it is
[10:35] <seb128> the new GNOME stuff is a semi fiasco
[10:35] <seb128> as it ibus 1.5
[10:35] <seb128> it->is
[10:36] <seb128> that's starting getting slightly better in GNOME 3.8 but still broken
[10:38] <darkxst> yeh, I see
[10:39] <darkxst> the 3.8 regions tab is basically non-functional currently
[10:39] <darkxst> (as on staging)
[12:45] <seb128> Laney, that's not enough for the merger :p
[12:46] <Laney> BAH
[12:46] <seb128> Laney, it's easy, the automatic entries come from bugs referenced
[12:46] <seb128> if you don't have a one you should manually edit the changelog
[12:47] <Laney> I'm sure I asked if the MP commit message works
[12:47] <didrocks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/FAQ#My_name_deserves_to_be_in_the_changelog.21
[12:47] <ritz> seb128++ thanks
[12:47] <didrocks> that what I pointed to you yesterday ^
[12:47] <didrocks> on #ubuntu-release
[12:47] <seb128> Laney, well, the merge checks that there is a MP commit message and refuse the merge if there is none
[12:47] <seb128> Laney, but it doesn't use the message for the changelog
[12:48] <seb128> Laney, also please submit against https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/libappindicator/trunk.13.04 for raring
[12:48] <Laney> ack and ack
[12:48] <didrocks> (see Vcs-Bzr btw :p)
[12:48] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[12:48] <Laney> I did bzr lp-propose
[12:48] <seb128> well, you brancked from lp:libappindicator
[12:48] <didrocks> Laney: if you branched from trunk, it's targetting trunk for sure ;)
[12:48] <Laney> correct
[12:48] <seb128> or lp:libappindicator/13.04
[12:48] <seb128> that's why ;-)
[12:49] <Laney> does it get merged into trunk too?
[12:49] <seb128> well, the one you submitted is for trunk
[12:49] <didrocks> Laney: no, upstream splitted the branch
[12:49] <seb128> you need to proposed a second merge against 13.04
[12:49] <didrocks> for no reason TBH seeing they didn't use them
[12:49] <seb128> you can do it from the same branch though, they didn't diverge yet
[12:49] <Laney> oh, do another one not get rid of this one
[12:49] <didrocks> (even if the system supports splitting them one after another, on demand)
[12:50] <Laney> final question - does it matter what upstream version I choose when editing the changelog?
[12:50] <Laney> I guess the release bot just overwrites it
[12:51] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, see the FAQ ;)
[12:51] <didrocks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/FAQ#I_have_a_big_change_that_needs_to_be_mention_in_debian.2BAC8-changelog.2C_but_not_bug_for_it_.28or_I_didn.27t_link_to_a_bug_before_merging
[12:51]  * didrocks wonders why he's explaining everything where he links to the page and people don't search through it :/
[12:51] <Laney> hey, I did read it
[12:52] <Laney> but the example there doesn't have daily version numbers
[12:52] <Laney> it seems to me like those are automatic, but that one looks like they're manually maintained
[12:52] <didrocks> You need then mention it manually in debian/changelog: If there is already an UNRELEASED content (top line in debian/changelog), add your content with:
[12:52] <didrocks> $ dch -a
[12:52] <didrocks> -> edit the change and save.
[12:52] <didrocks> If it's something like "raring" or something else:
[12:52] <didrocks> $ dch -i
[12:52] <didrocks> -> edit the change and save.
[12:52] <didrocks> I don't mention the version, so you can just follow it and go ahead ;)
[12:52] <Laney> I was reading the next question
[12:53] <didrocks> Laney: the next one is when you need to do it, like you want to "release unity 7"
[12:53] <Laney> mmm
[12:54] <didrocks> Laney: feel free to reedit/rearrange if it's not clear
[12:55] <Laney> I suppose that it's not clear to me what "bumping the upstream version" means
[12:55] <Laney> like I thought I might have to set the upstream part myself because I'm making upstream changes
[12:55] <didrocks> Laney: upstream have unity 6.8
[12:55] <didrocks> Laney: they want to mark the new upstream version as 7.0
[12:56] <didrocks> so it's hitting them they need to bump in debian/changelog as well
[12:56] <didrocks> (each title is an entry/separate question in the FAQ)
[12:56] <Laney> let me edit it and you can see if I get it right
[12:56] <didrocks> sure ;)
[13:00] <Laney> right, there we go
[13:00] <Laney> ARGH
[13:00] <Laney> Internal Server Error
[13:00] <Laney> ah, got it
[13:03] <Laney> didrocks: check that out?
[13:03] <Laney> sorry for being dense btw :/
[13:05] <didrocks> Laney: I would change "if you're moving from Unity 7.0 to 7.1." to the versions used in the following example
[13:05] <didrocks> otherwise, looking good :)
[13:05] <didrocks> oh, btw, I wrote something a while back especially for package maintainers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/FAQ#I.27m_making_a_change.2C_should_I_provide_anything_in_debian.2BAC8-changelog.3F
[13:06] <Laney> yeah I put some text there too
[13:07] <didrocks> Laney: btw, on this dch -i/dch -a
[13:07] <didrocks> Laney: do you know if debchange has an easier way?
[13:07] <Laney> I just use 'dch' all the time
[13:08] <Laney> I have DEBCHANGE_RELEASE_HEURISTIC=changelog in ~/.devscripts which I know does something in this area but I can't remember exactly what
[13:08] <didrocks> Laney: good point! it's years I didn't use it!
[13:08] <didrocks> yeah, but DEBCHANGE_RELEASE_HEURISTIC=changelog is the default now
[13:08] <didrocks> so, we should be fine without it
[13:08] <didrocks> (I have it too)
[13:08] <Laney> aha, then I think you can just 'dch'
[13:08] <Laney> it adds a new entry if you're UNRELEASED, otherwise creates a whole new stanza
[13:09] <didrocks> Laney: tell me if/once you changed the versionning and I'll simplify the rest with only "dch"
[13:09] <didrocks> (confirming DEBCHANGE_RELEASE_HEURISTIC is set to changelog now by default)
[13:10] <Laney> yeah, I just checked and it is
[13:29] <didrocks> Laney: all dch -i/-a killed :)
[13:41] <Laney> :)
[14:06] <didrocks> mhall119: hey, how are you?
[14:06] <mhall119> didrocks: I am
[14:06] <mhall119> oh, I thought you asked if I was around
[14:06] <didrocks> ;)
[14:06] <mhall119> my answer makes much more sense to the question you didn't ask
[14:06] <didrocks> mhall119: ahah, indeed!
[14:07] <didrocks> mhall119: I wanted to know when the developer site will get updated to the latest sdk?
[14:07] <didrocks> mhall119: as last time I checked, the examples in the doc weren't working with the sdk we ship
[14:07] <mhall119> didrocks: they just recently landed dpm's patch to add the proper theming, so as soon as that's in a package that his script can extract the new docs from
[14:08] <mhall119> didrocks: I'm also working on updating the tutorial for the new version of the SDK
[14:08] <didrocks> mhall119: a package, like the sdk package?
[14:08] <mhall119> didrocks: yeah, the docs package for the ubuntu-ui-toolkit I think
[14:08] <didrocks> mhall119: its already in raring for a while :)
[14:08] <mhall119> 0.40.1?
[14:08] <mhall119> or 0.1.40 I should say
[14:09] <didrocks> we do have 0.1.38
[14:09] <didrocks> which doesn't work with the current tutorial
[14:09] <didrocks> (bug #1158246)
[14:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1158246 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Tutorial code needs to be updated to use the latest UITK version" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158246
[14:10] <kenvandine> didrocks, if a commit doesn't reference a bug # but the merge proposal does, will it get put in the changelog automatically?
[14:10] <didrocks> kenvandine: yep, if you link it to the MP before it was merged :)
[14:10] <kenvandine> great
[14:11] <didrocks> (linking the branch of course)
[14:11] <mhall119> didrocks: 1158246 is in progress now
[14:11] <didrocks> mhall119: ok, any ETA? it's broken for 3/4 weeks and I noticed a lot of people start to complain about it
[14:11] <didrocks> (including management :p)
[14:12] <mhall119> didrocks: no ETA other than "as soon as I can get it done"
[14:12] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_, Mirv: FYI as you probably wanted a status on that ^
[14:12] <mhall119> I didn't write the original, so it's slow going
[14:13] <didrocks> yeah, would have been nice to get a raw approximation, but here we go ;)
[14:13] <didrocks> thanks mhall119
[14:13] <mhall119> didrocks: np
[14:42] <debfx> hi, why does libappindicator recommend indicator-application?
[14:42] <debfx> are other implementations of the statusnotifier protocol not sufficient?
[14:42] <seb128> debfx, hey, because if you don't have an indicator the ui is nowhere to be seen which "breaks" the user experience
[14:43] <seb128> debfx, they should, it's only a recommends
[14:49] <debfx> seb128: right, but shouldn't it recommend indicator-renderer as an alternative?
[14:49] <seb128> debfx, indicator-application is a service, not the renderer
[14:50] <seb128> debfx, the renderer are unity, indicator-applet, and whatever KDE is using to draw the ui
[14:50] <seb128> debfx, having you a "renderer" doesn't give you the container for the appindicator icons
[14:53] <debfx> so indicator-application is between the application and  the renderer?
[15:09] <seb128> debfx, yes
[15:22] <kenvandine> desrt, do you know if anyone has started porting dconf-qt to qt5?
[15:34] <dobey> didrocks: btw, you know the current unity gir package has the wrong verssion number in the package name? it's gir1.2-unity-5.0 but has Unity-6.0.typelib and UnityExtras-6.0.typelib
[15:34] <didrocks> mhr3: IIRC, we discussed about it in quantal ^
[15:35] <didrocks> I don't remember the outcome :)
[15:36] <mhr3> didrocks, i guess it was again about scopes - the unity-5.0 ones wouldn't work anyway, and unless you specify version number the latest version is imported eitherway
[15:37] <didrocks> mhr3: yeah, that was my feeling. I think we'll fix it in s for the 100 scopes (the override seems useless to me, so we can maybe have them parallely installable)
[15:37] <mhr3> bottomline, yes, it should be 6.0, but having 5.0 there wouldn't help anyone
[15:37] <didrocks> let's wait for the scope ABI break then :)
[15:38] <mhr3> not sure if there'll be abi breaks
[15:39] <mhr3> probably mostly api breaks :P
[15:49] <mitya57> kenvandine: there is ~fboucault/dconf-qt/qt5, but last updated on 2012-10-05...
[15:50] <kenvandine> oh cool
[15:50] <kenvandine> thx mitya57
[16:10] <seb128> everyone, can you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/TechnicalOverview with the cool things you landed in raring?
[16:11] <seb128> didrocks, ^ can you do unity?
[16:11] <seb128> cyphermox, ^ indicators?
[16:11] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ friends?
[16:11] <seb128> mterry, ^ update-manager?
[16:11] <kenvandine> was just thinking about that :)
[16:11] <kenvandine> sure
[16:11] <didrocks> will do
[16:13] <seb128> Sweetshark, ^ libreoffice? if you have a nice description of what's new in 4 ... btw got the current version sponsored by bdrung?
[16:13] <seb128> tkamppeter, ^ summary of the printing work would be useful as well
[16:36] <cyphermox> seb128: ok!
[16:37] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[16:37] <cyphermox> mterry: kenvandine: goes under Ubuntu directly? should we agree on a semblance of a structure/format? ;)
[16:38] <cyphermox> like, points I guess?
[16:38] <mterry> cyphermox, looks like upstart user sessions have a template already -- bold header, free form paragraphs below
[16:39] <mterry> cyphermox, indicators are under ubuntu I'd think yeah
[16:49] <cyphermox> ok, so let's use that
[17:02] <mterry> cyphermox, still feeling like reviewing some branches?  :)
[17:07] <cyphermox> yeah
[17:07] <cyphermox> shoot, I can review things and then actually finally go for lunch ;)
[17:19] <Sweetshark> seb128: adding libreoffice to the wiki
[17:19] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[17:19] <Sweetshark> seb128: I havent seen bdrung sponsor the new version yet. no blockers known to me though.
[17:21] <bdrung> seb128, Sweetshark: i did the upload yesterday (with the one typo patch). it's in the queue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue?queue_state=1
[17:23]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:23] <seb128> bdrung, great, thanks
[17:23] <seb128> didrocks, 'night
[17:34] <jbicha> seb128: gnome's printer panel won't add a new printer without system-config-printer-gnome being installed? is it ok to have g-c-c depend on that?
[17:34] <jbicha> it's bug 1163674
[17:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1163674 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Adding a printer crashes Gnome Control Center (System Settings)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163674
[17:36] <seb128> jbicha, recommends I would say
[17:51] <jbicha> ok, thanks
[17:56] <Sweetshark> seb128: done (I hope)
[18:17] <Sweetshark> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talkyoo
[18:34] <Sweetshark> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/April_10
[18:45] <seb128> Sweetshark, is there anything you wanted to point in those pages? out of "french \o/" and "skype sucks"? ;-)
[18:46] <seb128> Sweetshark, you guys should just give up and use google hangouts ;-)
[20:33] <Sweetshark> seb128: eek, that was meant for #libreoffice-qa. ignore me (this time! only!!1!)
[20:35] <Sweetshark> seb128: actually people are using g+ to connect to the talkyoo conference call number and it seems to work well. I gotta try that next time, so people can hear me speaking over my terribly expansive condensator mic.
[20:38] <seb128> hehe
[20:58] <jbicha> seb128: for libnss-myhostname, do we need to have something in main depend on it or is recommends enough?
[21:02] <seb128> jbicha, did you get the ffe/mir approved for it?
[21:02] <seb128> jbicha, recommends is enough
[21:04] <jbicha> yes
[21:10] <thumper> kenvandine: how do I start friends? do I need to log in again, or restart
[21:10] <thumper> ?
[21:14]  * thumper waves at seb128
[21:14] <thumper> seb128: still up?
[21:15] <seb128> thumper, hey
[21:37] <attente> desrt, larsu, there's a.. uh. band in our usual working spot
[21:42] <tkamppeter> seb128, printing news added.
[21:44] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks


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