[01:01] <Guest27271> hi all what is lite updating for UBUNTU
[01:22] <jbicha_> desrt: can you help fix https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/gnome-control-center/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/revert_git_dont_hide_zoom.patch ?
[01:23] <jbicha_> I'd like to hide the zoom options from Unity or GNOME Fallback but Unity registers itself on org.gnome.Shell
[01:53] <darkxst> jbicha_, just use XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP?
[02:06] <jbicha_> maybe, XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP by itself doesn't currently distinguish between Shell & Fallback
[02:19] <darkxst> jbicha, or use dbus to check for the actual zoom interface
[02:24] <desrt> jbicha: uh.  unity bug?
[02:24] <jbicha> darkxst: thanks, let me try that
[02:24] <desrt> unity should absolutely not be taking org.gnome.shell
[02:27] <darkxst> desrt, I think compiz is to blame
[02:28] <desrt> ...as with all the best 'features' of unity :)
[02:30] <jbicha> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/view/head:/UnityCore/GnomeSessionManager.cpp#L31
[02:32] <jbicha> Trevinho: ^
[02:41] <jbicha> darkxst: that works
[06:34] <didrocks> robru: hey! Thanks for the email :) FYI, there was a merge tonight with an additional one (for daily_release: False): http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro-config/trunk/revision/419
[06:34] <robru> didrocks, heh, ok
[06:35] <pitti> Good morning
[06:35] <robru> pitti, good morning!
[06:35] <didrocks> bonjour pitti, comment ça va?
[06:35] <pitti> hey robru, how are you?
[06:36] <pitti> bonjour didrocks ! je vais bien, merci ! et toi ?
[06:36] <didrocks> très bien! soleil et temps agréable ici :)
[06:36] <robru> pitti, much better finally... and you? ;-)
[06:36] <pitti> je suis en retard aujourd'hui
[06:36] <pitti> nous sommes allés à un concert d'hier soir
[06:37] <pitti> robru: a bit tired still, but fine; what happened to you?
[06:37] <didrocks> pitti: quel type de concert?
[06:37] <pitti> didrocks: il pleut à nouveau ici :/
[06:37] <didrocks> argh :/
[06:37] <robru> pitti, emergency appendectomey last week. so i am slightly lighter now ;-)
[06:37] <pitti> didrocks: Die Toten Hosen
[06:37] <pitti> robru: ouch
[06:38] <didrocks> robru: it was just a question of weight (and taking an extra week of holidays), admit it! :-)
[06:38] <didrocks> robru: kidding, welcome back again, happy to see that you feel better :)
[06:38] <robru> didrocks, no, it was a real medical issue, I swear!
[06:38] <robru> didrocks, next time I see you I will show you the scars ;-)
[06:38] <didrocks> I trust you on this.  I hoped you got some distraction like reading/video games/… to forget about the pain if the medecines are not good enough :/
[06:40] <robru> didrocks, oh yeah, it was a week of distractions... I bought myself a ps3 ;-)
[06:41] <didrocks> ahah, should be cheaper with the ps4 incoming :)
[06:41] <robru> yeah, that's what I was hoping for ;-)
[06:41] <didrocks> what games did you play with?
[06:41] <robru> didrocks, I started playing GTA4 for the first time ever, dunno why it took me so long but I've been wanting to play it since forever. Also I tried out Little Big Planet but it seemed more childish than I was expecting.
[06:42] <didrocks> ah… GTA4. Played since the 1 and loving the series :)
[06:42] <didrocks> little big planet -> never played more than the demo
[06:42] <robru> didrocks, yeah, I'm a huge fan of the series. I played San Andreas to 100% completion *twice*
[06:43] <didrocks> waow, I just played once at each until the end of the main story (but doing a lot of bonuses) :)
[06:43] <didrocks> the only thing I don't really compete on is the extra quests like car races or stealing X numbers of cars…
[06:44] <robru> didrocks, yeah, I am totally OCD about finding every hidden package and doing every side mission. ;-)
[06:44] <didrocks> ahah :)
[06:44] <didrocks> you are worse than I!
[06:44] <robru> I'm so bad ;-)
[06:44] <didrocks> heh
[06:44] <didrocks> robru: I guess if you really like the story side of GTA, you will love this one until the end
[06:45] <robru> didrocks, yeah, the story seems good so far. nice and gritty. I'm sad that they took away bicycles though!
[06:45] <didrocks> ahah, me as well, but it seems to be back on GTA5 \o/
[06:45]  * didrocks can't wait
[06:45] <robru> sweeeeet
[06:45] <robru> I have to finish Gta4 before I can start 5 ;-)
[06:45] <didrocks> heh, indeed! and you have 2 other stories (which were DLC at first)
[06:46] <didrocks> one with bikers, and the other around night clubs
[06:46] <robru> didrocks, oh yeah? does it change the story or should I finish the stock version first?
[06:47] <didrocks> robru: finish the stock version first, those 2 are extra stories with other people, and you can cross the main story at some missions. So it's fun to see the same events from some other point of views
[06:47] <robru> oh, sweet! can't wait for that!
[06:47] <robru> didrocks, ok, I need to play for an hour before bed. g'night ;-)
[06:48] <didrocks> robru: enjoy :)
[06:57] <Mirv> GTA5 will arrive just on time, I managed to play through both of the gta4 extra episodes some time ago
[07:00] <didrocks> Mirv: loved them as well! especially the story on night clubs
[07:23] <Sweetshark> moin!
[07:23] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark!
[07:39] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:40] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[07:40] <seb128> pitti, salut, ça va ?
[07:44] <didrocks> salut seb128!
[07:44] <seb128> didrocks, lut
[07:45] <mlankhorst> bonjour
[07:45] <mlankhorst> ca va
[07:47] <seb128> mlankhorst, salut, ça va bien, et toi ?
[07:47] <mlankhorst> je suis ok
[07:48]  * mlankhorst watches toes of all the french in here curl up!
[07:57] <Sweetshark> mlankhorst: indeed. Next time you will need to chant the Marseillaise for joining the channel. from memory.
[07:58] <mlankhorst> french don't know what pain is.. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain
[07:58] <mlankhorst> so I can't have hurt them
[07:58] <mlankhorst> :X
[07:59] <Laney> hallo
[08:03] <seb128> Laney, good morning ;-)
[08:03] <Laney> oho, I see the thread!
[08:03] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:04] <seb128> haha
[08:04] <seb128> jasoncwarner targetted -desktpp and not -devel list though
[08:04] <seb128> that will limit the participants
[08:05] <Laney> true
[08:05] <Laney> i'm sure the word will get out though
[08:06] <seb128> that's likely indeed
[08:11] <seb128> hum
[08:11] <seb128> what is it with things that segfault when you copy over a .so they are using
[08:11] <seb128> when that doesn't happen when the same .so is overwritten by a package
[08:12] <seb128> like I never have xorg segfaulting when updating -intel, but copying the .so with cp made it unhappy
[08:12] <seb128> that happened with compiz, gtk and other stuff in the past
[08:12] <seb128> oh, well, I needed to restart xorg to test the new driver anyway
[08:13] <Laney> it probably unlinks and then puts a new file in
[08:13] <Laney> it->dpkg
[08:14] <Laney> rather than updating it inplace
[08:15] <seb128> Laney, why is that better? ;-)
[08:15] <seb128> does it force the loader to refresh the table pointing to the shared objects?
[08:15] <Laney> if it's mmaped into a process then updating it in place will update the copy the program is using
[08:16] <seb128> oh, that's a good point
[08:16] <Laney> but if you remove it then the new file will have a new inode which doesn't affect the already loaded copies
[08:16] <seb128> that makes sense
[08:16] <seb128> so next time rm + cp ;-)
[08:16] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[08:17] <Laney> np
[08:25] <Mirv> sil2100: any idea where would I find that cmake's libexec variable from?
[08:29] <seb128> didrocks, btw, with the crazy landing week you missed your pilot shift ... any way you catch back a bit on that by reviewing the compiz and unity MR from Mirv that are sitting on versions for a while? ;-)
[08:29] <seb128> didrocks, the oneconf one is still there as well :p
[08:29] <didrocks>  seb128: that's what we discussed yesterday during the meeting
[08:29] <didrocks> so yeah, I'll probably do my shift this afternoon or tomorrow morning
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks, ah, sorry, IRC was in ping mode I didn't read everything in your half of the meeting
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[08:30] <didrocks> yw :)
[08:30] <sil2100> Mirv: hm, never did that before, but I have some ideas, give me a moment
[08:32] <sil2100> Mirv: check GNUInstallDirs.cmake from the cmake modules
[08:33] <sil2100> Mirv: there is a variable CMAKE_INSTALL_LIBDIR
[08:33] <sil2100> Mirv: and CMAKE_INSTALL_LIBEXECDIR
[08:33] <sil2100> (since I pasted the wrong thing)
[08:38] <Mirv> sil2100: thanks.. I'll try the last one, thanks for that pointer (GNUInstallDirs.cmake)!
[08:38] <Sweetshark> seb128: any quick feedback on the "incompleteinternals" ideas?
[08:41] <seb128> Sweetshark, did you see my email reply?
[08:41] <seb128> Sweetshark, I'm not sure that cleaning of the source package is going to give you that much extra space
[08:42] <seb128> I would assume that it's the builddir and the build objects that take 95% of the space
[08:43]  * Sweetshark looks for reply ...
[08:43] <seb128> Sweetshark, rene already replied to my reply
[08:43] <seb128> $ cd src && du -hs
[08:43] <seb128> 242M	.
[08:44] <seb128> that's not a difference there that is going to make ppa builders happy
[08:44] <seb128> how much is a build using?
[08:45] <sil2100> Mirv: I'll be fixing address-book-service in the meantime
[08:59] <Sweetshark> seb128: checking my last local build for estimates
[09:01] <Sweetshark> seb128: 20G workdir/, 4.3G debian/, 4.1G solver, 160M solver/unxlngx6.pro/installation/, 27G .
[09:02] <seb128> Sweetshark, do you know what is the ppa builder disk space limitation?
[09:03] <Sweetshark> seb128: no. I heard something about a 70GB disc limit, put I dont know how that boils down to partitions.
[09:04] <seb128> so you are saying a lo build takes under 30G and you that's enough over what the ppa has in free space?
[09:06] <Sweetshark> seb128: well, this is the size of the tree after the build -- there might be additional peak usage inbetween (e.g. using /tmp etc.)
[09:07] <Sweetshark> well, skipping the tests likely wont help much (see the installation taking only 160MB as we symlink to the other dir wherever possible). but the builds choke exactly there now ...
[09:07] <seb128> infinity, hey, do you know about ppa builders and available space there? how do we get ones that have enough disk to build libreoffice? ;-)
[09:16] <Sweetshark> seb128: some analysis on the example of the writer lib: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5757585/
[09:17] <seb128> Sweetshark, I would like to hear back from infinity there, having 50G of disk space on a buildder doesn't seem the end of the world nowadays...
[09:20] <didrocks> simple way to crash gedit: Ctrl + h, replace \n by anything :p
[09:22] <seb128> didrocks, wfm
[09:22] <seb128> didrocks, replaced \n by a space
[09:22] <didrocks> seb128: hum I replaced with nothing, let me see on another file
[09:23] <Sweetshark> seb128: Ah! I think I know why we run out of space there. When creating the installation for the subsequenttest, we first create a full copy and then run the ./solenv/bin/linkoo script, which replaces copies with symlinks. So during that time, we indeed have two copies of the libs around and one can assume that solver/unxlngx6.pro/installation/ is ~around the size of solver/unxlngx6.pro/lib bigger (that is 3.8GB).
[09:24] <seb128> didrocks, replaced by nothing works fine (I just created a new document and typed random chars and enter a few time to test)
[09:24] <didrocks> hum, still crashing here, but just on that file
[09:24] <Sweetshark> seb128: so for running the subsequentchecks we temporarily increase the build tree from 27GB to something in the 31-32GB range and then go back to 27GB ...
[09:24] <didrocks> I'll have a look at the stacktrace
[09:24] <seb128> Sweetshark, that still seems a reasonable disk space to today's standard
[09:25] <seb128> didrocks, thanks, if the file is not private just ubuntu-bug and add the file to the bug?
[09:25] <Sweetshark> seb128: yep.
[09:25] <Sweetshark> seb128: Which is why I was weeping like a willow yesterday ;)
[09:28] <Sweetshark> seb128: note that LibreOffice build depending on ~1/3 of main of course also has an impact.
[09:35] <mlankhorst> seb128: I noticed the background drawing is weird on my nvd7 in true optimus mode, it draws only a 1024x768 rectangle, which is the initial resolution when I have no displays attached. When I light up the internal lcd the background still draws only the top 1024x768, even though my mouse can move over the entire screen.. any idea why?
[09:36] <seb128> mlankhorst, what is drawing the background for you? nautilus?
[09:36] <mlankhorst> yeah
[09:36] <mlankhorst> restarting it helps, but still..
[09:36] <seb128> not sure, I didn't see any bug about that and things work fine here when docking/undocking/adding monitors
[09:38] <mlankhorst> the internal screen is connected to the intel, but I was setting nouveau up in true optimus mode (toying around with an experimental patch)
[09:38] <seb128> it needs debugging, I think nautilus just gets the screen infos from gdk
[09:39] <Sweetshark> seb128: I think I will just go full berserk on this one for now and disable running the tests on ppa builds ...
[09:40] <seb128> Sweetshark, that's suboptimal but until we hear from the buildds guy I guess that's an option, I will ask on #ubuntu-release
[09:42] <Sweetshark> seb128: thanks
[09:49] <didrocks> Mirv: sil2100: sorry, I was maybe unclear, but libexec is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/<app_name> or /usr/lib/<appname> (rather the first one for multi-arching). There should be no "libexec" in the path
[09:49] <didrocks> what does CMAKE_INSTALL_LIBEXECDIR points to?
[09:52] <sil2100> didrocks: it points to /usr/libexec
[09:53] <sil2100> didrocks: that's why we're using CMAKE_INSTALL_LIBEXECDIR but then override it in debian/rules
[09:53] <mlankhorst> didrocks: I thought the former was for libs, latter if a program in *bin required helper programs
[09:54] <didrocks> mlankhorst: for instance, we have /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm/ for the helpers
[09:55] <didrocks> mlankhorst: no "libexec" in path
[09:55] <mlankhorst> yeah
[09:55] <sil2100> didrocks: I think this should be changed in the GNU cmake module file for ubuntu
[09:55] <didrocks> sil2100: agreed, anyway, we need to override it for multiarching :)
[09:55] <sil2100> didrocks: so that CMAKE_INSTALL_LIBEXECDIR returns /usr/lib/<appname> instead of the default /usr/libexec
[09:56] <sil2100> didrocks: ACK, for all projects that are affected?
[09:56] <sil2100> didrocks: or only dbus-cpp should be multiarched?
[09:56] <sil2100> Mirv: ^
[09:56] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, let's try to put everything that can/needs to be multiarched set up that way
[09:56] <didrocks> at least for new components
[09:56] <didrocks> then, we'll go over older ones :)
[09:57] <sil2100> Mirv: ok, can you multiarch dbus-cpp? I'll do the same for address-book-service then
[09:58]  * didrocks sees a lot of stacks in manual publication or failures, not sure if people wait on me or dealt with them already
[09:59] <sil2100> didrocks: I can deal with that :D But why so many manual publishingz?!
[09:59] <didrocks> sil2100: well, looking at it will tell you :)
[09:59] <didrocks> sil2100: not sure how we can have everyone looking at it first time in their morning
[10:00] <didrocks> for instance, the misc stack is in manual publishing mode for 2 days, despite my ping to cyphermox yesterday (and reviewing a stack when being in manual publish mode takes no more than 5 minutes :/)
[10:00] <didrocks> not sure what's wrong…
[10:01] <sil2100> I was usually doing that in the morning, somehow got out of sync lately though! I promise to resume that activity - I see some HUD issues though
[10:02] <sil2100> hm, funny
[10:09] <sil2100> didrocks: after I browse through the changes, you mind if I publish apps, media, misc and platform? (not sure about qa?)
[10:10] <didrocks> sil2100: remember if there are packaging changes, just ping me for a double review (it's a kind of sponsoring as the deal is that only people with upload rights should do that manual publication)
[10:11] <sil2100> didrocks: ACK
[10:11] <sil2100> didrocks: a noob question - is there an easy way of checking all the diffs in a stack?
[10:12] <Mirv> didrocks / sil2100: ok, will fix, now to lunch
[10:12] <didrocks> sil2100: not really, it's package per package if there is a packaging diff, making an intelligent diff (basically packaging changes + build system changes)
[10:12] <didrocks> sil2100: you do see them in the artefacts, right?
[10:15] <sil2100> didrocks: artefacts in which job should I see?
[10:15] <sil2100> Since normally I browsed LP :|
[10:15] <didrocks> oh
[10:15] <didrocks> no, it's way easier
[10:16] <didrocks> sil2100: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Media/job/cu2d-media-head-3.0publish/ for instance
[10:16] <sil2100> I looked at the prepare jobs but hm, no useful artefacts
[10:16] <didrocks> if you click on the publish job
[10:16] <didrocks> you have publisher.xml
[10:16] <sil2100> Ah
[10:16] <didrocks> for the reason of the manual publishing
[10:16] <didrocks> and you have the .diff for each package with packaging change
[10:17] <sil2100> hm, why didn't I see that when I checked the publish job just a moment ago? I think I'm getting blind
[10:17] <sil2100> Thanks
[10:17] <didrocks> sil2100: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Platform/job/cu2d-qa-head-3.0publish/
[10:17] <didrocks> for the qa with multiples packaging change
[10:17] <didrocks> for instance
[10:17] <didrocks> sil2100: so, you always have the reason in the xml
[10:17] <didrocks> and if packaging changes, they are archived
[10:17] <sil2100> didrocks: ah, I know why I didn't see that
[10:18] <didrocks> ah?
[10:18] <sil2100> didrocks: for instance http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Apps/job/cu2d-apps-head-3.0publish/16/ has no .diff, does it mean there was simply no new commits, right?
[10:18] <Sweetshark> seb128: btw running "du -sh /" in my pbuilder gives 103G after the builder (plus the at least ~4GB) that we need more temporarily as discussed
[10:18] <didrocks> Sweetshark: no, it means no packaging change :)
[10:18] <didrocks> oupss
[10:18] <didrocks> sil2100: ^
[10:18] <sil2100> ;)
[10:19] <didrocks> sil2100: look at the publisher.xml for the reason: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Apps/job/cu2d-apps-head-3.0publish/16/artifact/publisher.xml
[10:19] <didrocks> (view source of the xml if you want the line breaks)
[10:19] <seb128> Sweetshark, :-(
[10:19] <didrocks> sil2100: that's why I told that manual publishing review shouldn't take more than 5 minutes per stack ;)
[10:20] <seb128> Sweetshark, #ubuntu-releases says there is not a lot they can do for the ppa builders, there are still quite some old machines in the pool and until those are replaced/upgraded you will have builds dispatched on those
[10:20] <sil2100> Now that makes sense ;p
[10:21] <didrocks> sil2100: and again, the diff is "smart": it just shows packaging diff + all related build tools (autotools, cmake, qmake…) so that you have enough context to see why the packaging eventually changed
[10:22] <didrocks> sil2100: so, for media, you can see that you have packaging change and stack dependencies failing: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Media/job/cu2d-media-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/publisher.xml
[10:22] <didrocks> (or stacks in manual publishing mode)
[10:24] <seb128> Sweetshark, can you join #ubuntu-release?
[10:25] <sil2100> didrocks: ok, checked the misc stack diff, the changes look sane, could you ACK?
[10:26] <didrocks> sil2100: packaging diff looks good to me, please publish :)
[10:33] <sil2100> didrocks: no packaging changes for the apps stack, and it looks good, so publishing
[10:33] <didrocks> great!
[10:36] <didrocks> sil2100: we assume there is no ABI break in the dep stack which we can't publish I guess ;)
[10:36] <didrocks> (think in case of a doubt to ask upstream)
[10:38] <sil2100> ;)
[10:39] <sil2100> didrocks: all looks ok, media stack seems ok as well - the deps everywhere are only HUD and platform usually, which are OK (HUD being 'fails-to-build' right now though)
[10:39] <sil2100> No ABI break or anything like that
[10:39] <sil2100> didrocks: could you take a look at media? The diff looks sane, so I'd like to publish that
[10:42] <pitti> desrt: do you happen to know what became of that "user D-BUS" (as opposed to session and system bus)?
[10:42] <pitti> desrt: is that still actually relevant?
[10:44] <sil2100> didrocks: platform looks ok as well packaging-wise, can I publish? No dep-problems
[10:50]  * sil2100 waits ready with a -P ;)
[10:52] <sil2100> didrocks: piing ;p Checked the QA stack as well, looking good so far!
[10:52] <sil2100> didrocks: waiting for a green light on: media, platform and qa!
[10:52]  * sil2100 needs to go to lunch now
[10:52] <sil2100> I'll publish when I'm back then
[11:05] <didrocks> sil2100: media -> OK, platform -> OK, qa -> OK :)
[11:05] <didrocks> sil2100: please do publish when you are back :)
[11:08] <Mirv> didrocks (and sil2100): hmm, dbus-cpp still - could I separate the example binaries into a multi-arch package and have the include files in architecture:all package instead?
[11:08] <didrocks> Mirv: that sounds a good  plan to me (so the arch:all will be multiarch: foreign)
[11:09] <Mirv> yes, multi-arch same for the binaries and foreign for the arch:all.
[11:09] <Mirv> doing
[11:11] <didrocks> Mirv: sorry for being silly, but if you can point me on the spreasheet again for compiz/unity precise, that would be awesome! :)
[11:13] <Mirv> didrocks: there you go!
[11:13] <didrocks> thanks!
[11:27] <didrocks> mfisch: hey, on bug #1031449, I guess you meant precise? (I declined raring as it's fixed as per commit in it, set fix released for saucy and opened the precise task)
[11:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1031449 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu Precise) "rhythmbox leaking memory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1031449
[11:51] <didrocks> cyphermox: larsu: do you have anytime for https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/indicator-datetime/days-months/+merge/159214?
[11:57]  * didrocks needs to find a pidgin's user
[11:58] <didrocks> oh a seb128!
[11:58] <didrocks> seb128: FYI, there is a new patch on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin-libnotify/+bug/1175537
[11:58] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1175537 in pidgin-libnotify (Ubuntu) "Stuck notifications (unable to clear them)" [Undecided,Triaged]
[12:00] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[12:00] <didrocks> seb128: maybe the third time will be the right one :)
[12:00] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, let's see ;-)
[12:01] <larsu> didrocks: sigh, not that again :-/
[12:02] <didrocks> larsu: good morning! :-)
[12:02] <larsu> didrocks: hey, how are you doing?
[12:02] <didrocks> I'm good, thanks! yourself?
[12:02] <didrocks> sun is back in France it seems \o/
[12:02] <larsu> very good thank :)
[12:02]  * ogra_ thought they are oracle now ...
[12:03] <didrocks> seb128: it seems you are quite opposed to the fix for bug #1027086 (I agree with you), should I just remove the sponsor subcriber to remove from the list?
[12:03] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1027086 in vino (Ubuntu Precise) "incorrect schema setting used for authentication-methods in vino server" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1027086
[12:03] <larsu> didrocks: except that you're destroying my morning with making remember that bug... :P
[12:03] <didrocks> ogra_: rohhhh
[12:03] <ogra_> :)
[12:03] <didrocks> larsu: success \o/
[12:03] <didrocks> (j/k)
[12:03] <larsu> haha
[12:03] <seb128> didrocks, I've no strong opinion either way, if you think the fix is fine sponsor it, otherwise yes just unsubscribe sponsors please
[12:04] <seb128> didrocks, ritz seems to argue that the fix is what upstream is doing as well
[12:04] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I'm still unsure if it worths it for precise
[12:05] <didrocks> let's see once ritz is back, unsuscribing for now
[12:05] <asac> was in a HO and suddenly MIC stopped
[12:05] <seb128> didrocks, seems like some customer cares
[12:05] <asac> [10558.761127] traps: unity-panel-ser[2300] general protection ip:7f0e04f4b986 sp:7fff8e254370 error:0 in libsoundmenu.so[7f0e04f42000+14000]
[12:05] <asac> any idea what i have to restart to get away without reboot>?
[12:05] <larsu> didrocks: I'll ping charles about this merge, it's his code and I'll let him make the decision
[12:06] <seb128> asac, not sure, the indicator shouldn't break the device, maybe that's lower in the stack that the bug happened, e.g pulseaudio
[12:06] <didrocks> larsu: thanks!
[12:06] <didrocks> asac: most of the time, I kill the HO plugin and pulseaudio
[12:06] <didrocks> then, opening the HO tab and it's working
[12:09] <ritz> didrocks hi
[12:09] <didrocks> hey ritz ;)
[12:09] <ritz> didrocks  users would find this less stressful
[12:09] <asac> hmm... let me see net call
[12:10] <asac> thx seb128 didrocks
[12:10] <asac> next call
[12:10] <didrocks> the HO man :)
[12:10] <ritz> for vino/dconf key
[12:12] <didrocks> ritz: well, dconf-editor isn't something people should really rely on if they get stressed :) I feel then the warning in vino more annoying that the bug itself
[12:13] <ritz__> one will not see any warning until unless the wrong value is keyed in
[12:13] <ritz__> in which case, vino would ignore this
[12:13] <ritz__> as would most gnome apps
[12:14] <ritz__> didrocks , hmm, I assume we would treat this as a bug in all other apps then ?
[12:14] <ritz__> or we need to "fix" this warning
[12:15] <didrocks> ritz__: right, I think this is what seb128 asked as well
[12:18] <ritz__> hmmm
[12:23] <seb128> didrocks, ritz__: well, looking in dconf-editor most apps don't restrict the choice of values, so I guess it's ok to let a string and warn if the value is wrong, in practice only power users go tweak the value directly...
[12:26] <ritz> seb128 agreed. the issue being, this was a bug with vino where choices was listed for dconf key, when it aint supposed to be
[12:27] <ritz> and this allows admins ( who use dconf editor) to work
[12:29] <Laney> can someone check if they can add a new Google account in UOA?
[12:30] <Laney> I get Error:invalid_request
[12:30] <Laney> Invalid response_type: code%26access_type%3Doffline%26approval_prompt%3Dforce
[12:30] <ritz> in saucy ?
[12:30] <Laney> yeah
[12:30] <ritz> yup
[12:30] <ritz> fails for me to
[12:30] <Laney> ta
[12:30] <Laney> kenvandine: ^ know anything about this?
[12:31] <ritz> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14876204/error-invalid-client-when-following-five-minute-quick-start-for-php
[12:32] <ritz> issue on server side ?
[12:47] <desrt> pitti: why do you want it? :)
[12:47] <pitti> desrt: I don't, but zyga was asking about it in #u-devel, so I'm forwarding here as you aren't there
[12:49] <kenvandine> Laney, yes... that should be fixed now
[12:50] <kenvandine> Laney, that was why i added that patch to eds
[12:51] <kenvandine> Laney, the service file that eds provided was adding that... my worked last week ...
[13:02] <kenvandine> Laney, i can still add a google account
[13:04] <kenvandine> laney grep Resp /usr/share/accounts/services/*
[13:07] <didrocks> sil2100: back? all published? :)
[13:07] <sil2100> didrocks: yep!
[13:07] <sil2100> :)
[13:07] <sil2100> didrocks: I'm checking the webcreds stack now though
[13:07] <didrocks> excellent :)
[13:08] <sil2100> Since that one was left
[13:08] <didrocks> maybe kenvandine can help?
[13:08] <sil2100> I think it's fine, the diff looks good
[13:08] <didrocks> ok :)
[13:08] <sil2100> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/WebCreds/job/cu2d-webcred-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_account-plugins_0.11daily13.06.12-0ubuntu1.diff <- could you ACK :) ?
[13:09] <didrocks> sil2100: sounds good to me
[13:09] <didrocks> sil2100: so then, it's on the red side again? (unity/hud/indicators)
[13:10] <sil2100> HUD, indicators, unity and webapps - HUD fails to build, waiting for Wellark or tedg, I see tedg is here so I'll poke him now
[13:10] <sil2100> The rest I shall check check
[13:10] <didrocks> and check? ;)
[13:10] <kenvandine> sil2100, yup
[13:10] <kenvandine> sil2100, i am publishing it now
[13:10] <sil2100> kenvandine: publishing webcreds?
[13:11] <sil2100> Ok ;)
[13:11] <sil2100> tedg: boing
[13:11]  * tedg puts on his spring-proof suit
[13:12] <sil2100> tedg: a hud test is failing, oh noes! It seems like it's bamf related, since armhf passes
[13:12] <tedg> sil2100, The ones from yesterday?  those seemed like BAMF to me.  At least it's the one throwing up error messages.
[13:12] <sil2100> tedg: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/142214118/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.hud_13.10.1daily13.06.12-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:13] <sil2100> tedg: actually, this time it's failing to build, as there's a unit test failing as well
[13:13] <sil2100> tedg: test-application-list
[13:13] <tedg> Hmm, I started getting that error on another branch last night.
[13:13] <tedg> Bother.
[13:13] <tedg> At least that confirms it's a saucy issue and not my branch.
[13:13] <sil2100> Maybe there are some changes in bamf lately?
[13:14] <tedg> sil2100, Yes, it's basically rewritten with the migration to gdbus
[13:21] <sil2100> tedg: will you take a look? Give me a sign once this is resolved and I will re-run the stack then ;)
[13:22] <sil2100> tedg: would be nice to have a HUD release soon, since a lot of stuff has been changing lately
[13:22] <sil2100> tedg: hud and unity are rather tightly bound so we can't release one without the other
[13:22] <tedg> sil2100, Sure, but I think this is only an issue with the tests.  I don't think it'll fix the stack issues you saw yesterday.
[13:23] <tedg> sil2100, Not really... I mean they only share one API that hasn't changed in over a year.
[13:42] <seb128> Laney, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5758253/
[13:42] <seb128> Laney, that's a small patch for your background panel (the personal category works with ubuntu-system-settings trunk)
[13:42] <seb128> Laney, I've also dropped the entry since according to the design that panel is an icon in the grid
[13:46] <sil2100> attente: ping
[13:47] <attente> sil2100, pong
[13:47] <sil2100> attente: on the indicator stack, it seems we get some u-g-m AP test failures, could you take a look?
[13:47] <sil2100> attente: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/94/testReport/
[13:48] <attente> sil2100, sure
[13:48] <seb128> Laney, the updates that just landed include
[13:48] <seb128> account-plugins (0.11daily13.06.12-0ubuntu1) saucy; urgency=low
[13:48] <seb128>   [ Alberto Mardegan ]
[13:48] <seb128>   * Fix Google authentication, which was broken with the lasted QUrl query
[13:48] <seb128>     handling in Qt5.
[13:48] <seb128> Laney, that might fix your "can't add google accounts"
[13:48] <sil2100> attente: thanks!
[13:52] <Laney> seb128: thanks, will apply that
[13:52] <Laney> I could push my junk branch to something under that team as well
[13:52] <seb128> Laney, I don't think you can do merge request against junk
[13:52] <Laney> no, but then you could commit
[13:53] <seb128> Laney, you should probably just merge it in u-s-s if you want peer reviews for commits, etc
[13:53] <seb128> well, once you are happy enough with the first codedrop
[13:53] <Laney> sure
[14:05] <attente> sil2100, what autopilot version is jenkins using?
[14:06] <sil2100> attente: I would have to check, but I guess the latest one in lp:autopilot
[14:07] <attente> sil2100, is there anything i can do to better replicate the jenkins test environment?
[14:09] <sil2100> attente: it's using autopilot 1.3.1daily13.06.12-0ubuntu1 if anything - you can check the package list if anything
[14:09] <seb128> bah
[14:09] <sil2100> Maybe there are some packages that are different
[14:09] <seb128> is there any way on github to ask for a .patch from a diff?
[14:10] <seb128> on the web ui I mean
[14:10] <Laney> I think you put .patch or .diff on the end of the commit url
[14:11] <seb128> Laney, \o/ thanks
[14:20] <mfisch> didrocks: ping
[14:21] <didrocks> mfisch: pong
[14:22] <mfisch> didrocks: any questions on the rhythmbx stuff?
[14:22] <didrocks> mfisch: I think I got what you meant (precise instead of raring)
[14:22] <didrocks> and I sponsored that :)
[14:22] <mfisch> yeah sorry about that ;)
[14:22] <mfisch> didrocks: so its in proposed?
[14:23] <didrocks> mfisch: well, it's un UNAPPROVED :)
[14:23] <didrocks> then, you can bribe SRU team members to accept it
[14:24] <didrocks> (no French on that team, so wine and bread doesn't help)
[14:24] <mfisch> didrocks: just reading the process, so I'll mark the bug as In Progress since its been uploaded
[14:24] <didrocks> mfisch: yeah, sounds good :)
[14:24] <mfisch> didrocks: merci
[14:28] <didrocks> mfisch: de rien :)
[14:51] <attente> is there a way to get a backtrace from a /var/crash log?
[14:53] <Laney> attente: apport-retrace
[14:54] <attente> Laney, thanks!
[14:57] <sil2100> attente: if you would need the 'snapshot' of the disk from the jenkins test run, just give me a sign
[14:57] <sil2100> attente: as with otto it is now possible \o/
[14:58] <attente> sil2100, that's good to know, thanks :)
[15:04] <cyphermox> GunnarHj: thanks for your indicator-datetime patch -- I'm done testing, and just approved the merge
[15:04] <cyphermox> sorry it took so long
[15:17] <sil2100> didrocks: ok, related to the libtelepathy-qt5 requirement, tiagosh says that the <IP_ADDRESS> requirement is necessary
[15:17] <sil2100> didrocks: so we'll have to get that into distro...
[15:26] <sil2100> didrocks: there also seems to be a problem, the required telepathy-qt changes did not get accepted upstream yet...
[16:04] <jbicha_> sil2100: could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/gnome-control-center-unity/rename-desktop-for-38/+merge/167608 for me?
[16:04] <Laney> jbicha_: I pushed a patch to eds; feel free to upload it now at your leisure
[16:05] <Laney> it'll need some changes for upstream but the outcome is ok as is
[16:06] <jbicha_> Laney: thanks
[16:07] <jbicha_> seb128: I see that UOA has individual toggle switches so that you can use say Google for Shotwell but not Empathy
[16:07] <jbicha_> and UOA works with Google 2-factor authentication but GOA still has problems with that
[16:15] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, I guess rsalveti is in touch with upstream, so maybe better to check with him
[16:16]  * rsalveti reading backlog
[16:17] <rsalveti> sil2100: didrocks: what is the issue with telepathy-qt?
[16:18] <rsalveti> we uploaded telepathy-qt5 instead basically to handle the possible conflicts and issues with such patches
[16:19] <didrocks> rsalveti: we need  libtelepathy-qt5-dev (>= <IP_ADDRESS>) for telepath-ofono apparently
[16:20] <didrocks> the day I checked, we had  0.9.3-0ubuntu5 in distro
[16:20] <didrocks> let me recheck now :)
[16:20] <rsalveti> didrocks: right, so we might need to rebase our patches
[16:20] <rsalveti> I'll sync with tiago
[16:20] <didrocks> rsalveti: ok, tell me if we can help you in any way :)
[16:22] <seb128> jbicha_, hey, right
[16:22] <seb128> jbicha_, thanks for fixing the gnome-keyring build, there is an issue with your upload though, you should use a maintscript to clean the leftover conffile in etc
[16:23] <seb128> jbicha_, (which is the main reason I didn't fix it friday)
[16:24] <jbicha_> seb128: ah ok, I thought it was pretty neat how the packaging was the same as what we used in the gnome3 raring ppa but the build failed in saucy
[16:24] <seb128> jbicha_, the build worked when I did the update, I had it on my disk for 10 days before noticing I forgot to dput
[16:25] <seb128> jbicha_, but someone updated p11-kit in between... ;-)
[16:31] <rsalveti> didrocks: oh, got it
[16:32] <rsalveti> didrocks: the last .3 in the package version was kind of internal, as it became native
[16:32] <rsalveti> so we don't need >= <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:32] <rsalveti> just 0.9.3 is enough
[16:32] <didrocks> rsalveti: ah, excellent, sil2100 ^
[16:32] <didrocks> sil2100: seems that the .3 is not needed afterwards, who did you ask?
[16:37] <jbicha_> Laney: should that EDS desktop have an icon?
[16:38] <Laney> jbicha_: no, didn't seem to take effect, not entirely sure why
[16:39] <jbicha_> kenvandine: could you kick https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/dee/have-dev-depend-on-gir/+merge/168030
[16:39] <Laney> so maybe that's actually "ideally yes, but I know that it doesn't"
[16:39] <kenvandine> jbicha_, done
[17:01] <seb128> mterry, hey, want to get some easy launchpad karma? ;-) https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/gnome-control-center-unity/use-correct-color/+merge/168800
[17:01] <seb128> mterry, that's the fix for the color issue I described yesterday
[17:11] <jbicha_> seb128: do you think Saucy should still include dconf-editor by default?
[17:12] <seb128> jbicha_, it doesn't hurt to have it I guess, but I've no strong opinion
[17:12] <seb128> mterry, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/gnome-control-center-unity/use-correct-color-raring/+merge/169011 as well (raring backport)
[17:13] <jbicha_> once your Unity MP lands, nothing will pull dconf-editor in
[17:13] <seb128> we should seed it I guess
[17:22] <mterry> seb128, looking
[17:25] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[17:50] <rickspencer3> did robert_cancel just write a euchre implementation?
[17:57] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, robert cancel? :-D
[17:57] <rickspencer3> lol
[17:57] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, from his post it sure looked like he did
[17:58] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, crazy
[17:58] <rickspencer3> it seems to work nicely so far!
[17:58] <kenvandine> i hope he did :)
[17:58] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, well, I thought he may have found an upstream project
[17:58] <rickspencer3> bit it looks like pure QML
[18:00] <kenvandine> looks like he started from scratch
[18:00] <kenvandine> based on the bzr log
[18:00] <kenvandine> just a week ago :)
[18:30] <jasoncwarner> hey seb128 and Laney, just saw the note earlier. you think I should send to ubuntu-devel mailing list as well? should be fun :)
[18:43] <seb128> jasoncwarner, hey, your call, it's always tricky to know when things are desktop or devel material, I often end up going for devel (mostly because I don't like crossposting and don't want to include both)
[18:44] <jasoncwarner> seb128 I'll see how much action it gets today and tomorrow. if not much, I'll broaden it to devel for the weekend etc
[18:45] <seb128> jasoncwarner, yeah, I think enough people care about the browser that it might make sense to go on devel for it
[18:45] <jasoncwarner> thanks, seb128
[18:47] <jasoncwarner> hey seb128, silly question, but I just updated my travel machine to sausy and noticed the toolbars are, uh, weird? is that just me or maybe a known issue?
[18:48] <seb128> jasoncwarner, how weird?
[18:49] <jasoncwarner> seb128: you know what, nm, rebooted and they are working. :/ spoke too soon. false alarm!
[18:49] <seb128> cool
[18:51] <sil2100> rsalveti: thanks for the telepathy-qt version change
[18:52] <sil2100> rsalveti: I asked tiagosh, who basically is the author? And he said that some changes were needed that were only in .3
[18:53] <rsalveti> sil2100: right, but that was because of the internal/ppa numbering we had
[18:53] <rsalveti> once pushed to the archive I fixed the upstream version
[18:54] <rsalveti> as we don't want to change the upstream version when doing packaging changes
[19:20] <sil2100> rsalveti: aah, ok!
[19:23] <sil2100> attente: ping!
[19:23] <sil2100> attente: any luck with the u-g-m failures?
[19:25] <attente> sil2100, hey, i only managed to track it down to this bug
[19:26] <attente> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1063212
[19:26] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1063212 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in panel_indicator_entry_accessible_ref_child() from atk_object_ref_accessible_child() from append_cache_item() from g_hash_table_foreach() from spi_cache_foreach()" [High,Triaged]
[19:26] <sil2100> Unity bug then, ok
[19:26] <sil2100> Let's get some unity guys looking at that
[20:02] <maxb> Is there any way to tell totem to default to subtitles=None, always? Mine seems to have decided to turn on subtitles whenever opening a video file that includes subtitle data
[21:50] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, hey man
[21:50] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, yo
[21:50] <rickspencer3> mind getting your euchre ppa built for the phone?
[21:50] <rickspencer3> https://dev.launchpad.net/CommunityARMBuilds
[21:51] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, mhall119 just pushed it into https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/collection - that should work (it's all pure QML so it doesn't need compiling)
[21:51] <rickspencer3> woah
[21:51] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, did you just fire that game out over the weekend?
[21:52] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, over that last week
[21:52] <rickspencer3> pretty cool
[21:52] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, I was looking for a test project with a bit more meat than animal farm, and your post gave me the inspiration :)
[21:52] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, I was thinking of taking a look and seeing if I could extract a card game framework from it
[21:52] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, yeah, please do
[21:53] <rickspencer3> should take me like a year or less ;)_
[21:53] <robert_ancell> the code is a bit unstructured, which is the downside of using something like JS
[21:53] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, well, you *can* make nicely laid code in JS
[21:53] <mhall119> the upside is developing a card game in a few days
[21:53] <rickspencer3> but, it's easy for it to get out of control
[21:53] <rickspencer3> in my experience, anyway
[21:54] <robert_ancell> mhall119, yep :)
[21:54] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, yeah, I could feel it getting out of control, but I didn't want to invest the time to do it right :)
[21:54] <mhall119> robert_ancell: are you using one of the gnome card graphics packages?
[21:54] <rickspencer3> lol
[21:54] <robert_ancell> mhall119, yes, I rendered the aisleriot cards from svg to pngs
[21:54] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, that is such a typical app developer experience to have
[21:55] <mhall119> rickspencer3: I'm pretty sure that's still Facebook's guiding principle :)
[21:59] <rickspencer3> my son's graduation ceremony is tonight
[21:59] <rickspencer3> I'm desperate to get Euchre on my phone before then
[22:01] <mhall119> I hope that's only because you already have working still and video camera support :)
[22:06] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, oh, the image of Ubuntu phone I'm running only shows the top 6 apps, so Euchre doesn't make the list alphabetically. So I hacked the .desktop file to 0Euchre and then debuild and install it to workaround that. Also qmlscene crashes when the screen turns off. So you might want to disable that somehow
[22:07] <robert_ancell> Not sure if you've got a nicer build from somewhere (this is phablet-flash -l). Also the OSK isn't working :(
[22:07] <robert_ancell> (on Nexus 4)
[22:07] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, hmmm, Monday's build is working fine on my Nexus 4
[22:08] <rickspencer3> well "fine" within eason
[22:08] <rickspencer3> reason*
[22:09] <robert_ancell> This is build 158, though I had the same issues in 151.
[22:10] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, I'm on 160
[22:10] <robert_ancell> ok, I'll have to update
[22:15] <robert_ancell> hmm, I run phablet-flash and now it's downloading 147..
[22:19] <popey> robert_ancell: perl -p -i -e 's/expandable\:\ false/expandable\:\ true/' /usr/share/qml-phone-shell/Dash/Apps/ApplicationsFilterGrid.qml
[22:19] <popey> do that on-device and all apps will show up in the apps lens
[22:20] <robert_ancell> popey, \o/ thanks!
[22:20] <popey> robert_ancell: np, from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/add_apps.sh  which i run post-flashing to re-add apps
[22:20] <popey> nice work on that card game, looks great!
[22:21] <popey> be good to get that in the collections ppa... https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/collection?field.series_filter=raring
[22:21] <popey> so lots of people can test without monkeying with PPAs
[22:23] <robert_ancell> popey, it's in there but as saucy
[22:24] <popey> ah, mhall119 added it a few mins ago
[22:25] <mhall119> popey: I added them to the touch-collection meta-package branch too
[22:25] <mhall119> will dput that as soon as they're built
[22:25] <popey> great! did you copy it for raring too?
[22:26] <mhall119> popey: no, once the binaries are built I'll copy them for raring
[22:26] <popey> super!
[22:26] <popey> look forward to trying that (although I have no clue how to actually play that game)
[22:26] <mhall119> me either, should go find instructions
[22:26] <popey> i had a real-world problem with the calendar app while out at a restaurant this evening
[22:27] <robert_ancell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euchre :)
[22:27] <popey> someone told me they're getting married and on a specific date next year. there's no way to skip forwards a year in the calendar
[22:27] <popey> which kinda threw me ☻
[22:27] <popey> I knew that was a problem, but this is the first time I've encountered it while dogfooding
[22:27] <mhall119> popey: yeah, that's a concern for the datepicker widget too
[22:27] <mhall119> popey: did you tell them to get married sometime in 2013 instead?
[22:27] <popey> I did ☻
[22:28] <mhall119> good man :)
[22:28] <popey> preferably after october "when this will work"
[23:02] <jbicha_> Laney: you can open gedit from terminal now, right?


[21:01] <csgeek> so.. I'm trying to write a script to start N number of nodes.  (node being a java process that does some computations )   is there a recommended way of doing this.. ideally I could just do service start nodes though I don't mind doing multiple .conf files if there can be a master one a user could call


[21:30] <fo0bar> test
[21:38] <balloons> ohh, does this mean we have logging now?
[21:38] <balloons> yay
[21:54] <flocculant> balloons: I could get you a xmas present with a penny - seems you're easily pleased :D
[22:02] <balloons> indeed, hah


[02:09] <pdr> hi, um, just wondering if debuginfo will be in edgy for systemtap use?
[03:34] <mjg59> BenC: Yo
[04:19] <BenC> mjg59: hey, do you know anything about an oops durng suspend/hibernate on t40 laptops?
[04:20] <BenC> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/64430
[12:43] <porkpie_> BenC:any luck with the kernel
[03:03] <traveller> i'm trying to compile a via raid kernel but i'm getting a warning from the kernel source before the compilation stopped
[03:03] <traveller> is it a problem with the kernel source or something else?
[07:31] <mjg59> BenC: I've put two patches in launchpad and mailed you another one
[07:31] <mjg59> All fixing regressions in dapper->edgy
[07:31] <BenC> mjg59: Thanks
[07:31] <mjg59> BenC: Can I give you a patch that removes the irritating "disabling MMCONFIG" messages that appear on boot?
[07:32] <BenC> yeah
[07:32] <mjg59> They're not there long enough for people to read beforeusplash comes up
[07:37] <zul_> hmmm...looks like xensource is doing the same thing as mozila so we are going to have rename zen
[07:37] <zul_> xen
[07:40] <mjg59> Ha
[07:40] <mjg59> I wonder whose fault that is
[07:47] <mjg59> BenC: Ok, got one that gets rid of the most irritating errors
[07:47] <mjg59> Just downgrades them to warnings (since the machine boots /anyway/)
[07:47] <BenC> ok
[07:48] <mjg59> BenC: Turns out that the problem with the Toshiba and Sony hotkeys was that acpi_bus_register_driver used to return the number of devices matched, and now returns 0 on success
[07:50] <mjg59> BenC: Ok, mailed
[08:29] <BenC> mjg59: Thanks
[11:54] <porkpie_> BenC:Hi
[11:55] <porkpie_> BenC:Did you manager to finish the kernel :)
[12:06] <jldugger> how do i tell if im running 2.6.17-10.27?
[12:07] <crimsun> jldugger: look at the timestamp for build in dmesg, and look at dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[12:08] <jldugger> ah
[12:08] <jldugger> heh, says im running 2.6.17-10.28
[12:10] <BenC> jlde: cat /proc/version_signature too
[12:11] <jldugger> alrighty. just wanted to see if there was a newer build of the kernel floating around that might fix toshiba acpi.  guess i'll wait till i get an email about it


[06:16] <Whoopie> Hi, I see an issue with ldconfig that it can't follow symlinks in /etc/ld.so.conf.d, e.g. the virtualbox-guest-x11 package adds an alternatives link into this folder and ldconfig shows:
[06:19] <Whoopie> http://paste.debian.net/1020221/
[06:22] <Whoopie> http://paste.debian.net/1020222/
[06:33] <Whoopie> this is under ubuntu 18.04, it works under 16.04
[10:16] <joelkraehemann> hi all
[10:17] <joelkraehemann> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsequencer/1.4.24-1ubuntu1
[10:17] <joelkraehemann> ^^ you can't run the functional tests parallel
[10:17] <joelkraehemann> There is a good reason why they were excluded from build
[10:20] <joelkraehemann> xvfb-run --server-args="-screen 0 1920x1080x24" -a dh_auto_test
[10:20] <joelkraehemann> 	make -j4 -O check VERBOSE=1
[10:20] <joelkraehemann> ^^ this won't work
[10:20] <joelkraehemann> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/365175407/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-s390x.gsequencer_1.4.24-1ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:28] <tsimonq2> joelkraehemann: If you have a debdiff fixing this, I will happily sponsor it.
[10:30] <joelkraehemann> tsimonq2: It is here https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/gsequencer/blob/master/debian/patches/disable-functional-tests.patch
[10:30] <joelkraehemann> the person running the build disabled the patch by intention
[10:31]  * tsimonq2 grabs the Ubuntu source
[10:32] <tsimonq2> joelkraehemann: It's in the series file here...
[10:33] <tsimonq2> Hmm.
[10:33] <joelkraehemann> sorry my mistake
[10:33] <joelkraehemann> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/364133581/fix-missing-symbol.patch
[10:34] <tsimonq2> That's also in the series file. :P
[10:34] <joelkraehemann> the tests are enabled, again
[10:34] <tsimonq2> ohhhh
[10:35] <joelkraehemann> I provide a fixed patch, soon
[10:36] <tsimonq2> OK.
[10:36] <tsimonq2> Ping me and I'll be happy to upload it.
[10:38] <joelkraehemann> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/365263160/fix-missing-symbol.patch
[10:38] <joelkraehemann> tsimonq2: I just removed the wrong part of the diff
[10:42] <tsimonq2> joelkraehemann: Uploaded.
[13:08] <joelkraehemann> tsimonq2: thank you
[13:08] <joelkraehemann> everything is fine, now
[13:08] <joelkraehemann> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsequencer/1.4.24-1ubuntu2
[13:15] <tsimonq2> \o/
[22:52] <mwhudson> rbasak, balloons: yeah i have no idea who uploaded to debian or why, it certainly wasn't me!
[22:52] <mwhudson> i am in the debian go team though so i *can* upload it if required...
[22:54] <jbicha> mwhudson: sorry to bother you on the weekend, but could you look into bug 1759540 when you can? I guess that's waiting on you now?
[22:54] <mwhudson> jbicha: ok, tomorrow :)
[22:55] <jbicha> juliank: could you look into the apport autopkgtest failures? test_install_package_from_a_ppa
[22:57] <jbicha> maybe the problem is "WARNING: cannot connect to: https://api.launchpad.net/devel/~fooser/+archive/ubuntu/bar-ppa"


[12:44] <cmaloney> morning
[13:00] <mrgoodcat> morning
[13:24] <rick_h> Party
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> you have to warn people before sending pictures of amputated legs
[14:07] <brousch> That escalated quickly
[14:23] <rick_h> lol
[14:27] <jrwren> I use meta-backspace to "delete word" in bash to quickly edit command lines. It uses special chars as word boundary. Does anyone know if there is a similar binding which will delete to whitespace? sometimes it would be nice to backspace through ALL of the paths instead of path part at a time.
[14:30] <jrwren> so... AFTER I asked that, I figured I should read the bash man page, and bash/readline DOES have a command, but it is not bound by default.  YAY!
[14:33] <_stink_> jrwren: does ctrl-w do what you want?
[14:35] <jrwren> exactly what I wanted. Thanks _stink_
[14:35] <_stink_> o/ i think cmaloney tipped me to that some time ago.
[14:36] <rick_h> vim binding ftw
[14:36] <rick_h> dt[char]
[14:36] <jrwren> subtle diff to M-rubout  :)
[14:37] <jrwren> rick_h: do you `set -o vi`?
[14:38] <jrwren> what is the vim key for rubout anyway?  can you bs-t-[char] ?
[14:38] <rick_h> jrwren: using zsh and a bunch of vimy stuff. jj works for esc like in my editor, have some stuff in my prompt for cmd mode vs edit mode
[14:39] <jrwren> hahaha, I don't know vi commands well enough to do the equiv of what I just did with emacs. As a long time vim user, that is pretty sad.
[14:39] <jrwren> I just tried teh equiv and when I did, I realized that in vim, I'd have navigated back adn then used forward remove instead of simply using back remove.
[14:40] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, was just trying myself and realized that's what I'd do
[14:40] <rick_h> bbdt]
[14:40] <jrwren> :)
[14:40] <rick_h> or get inside some chars and di[ and all that jazz
[14:40] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: bash prompt does a lot of emacs keybindings by default
[14:41] <mrgoodcat> so delete word comes from that
[14:41] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: yup, but the subtle difference between "word" adn "unix word" is waht I was asking and _stink_ delivered.
[14:41] <jrwren> any emacs users know if that works in emacs too?
[14:41] <jrwren> or is it a readline thing?
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> it works in emacs iirc
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> it comes from emacs
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> nope
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> ctrl+w "mark is set now"
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> in completely unconfigured emacs
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> must be readline
[14:44] <jrwren> cool!
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> ah
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> "mark is not set"
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> is what it said
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i'm just slow
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> ctrl+space sets the mark
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> ctrl+w deletes from current location to the mark
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> so ctrl+w in readline just behaves as if the mark is set at the start of the previous word
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i guess
[16:26] <cmaloney> be careful with vim readline though: some prompts that use it start acting strange
[16:26] <cmaloney> eg: the guile REPL doesn't do parens matching if I have vi mode set
[16:27] <cmaloney> I think that's common on some GNU REPLs because there's a heavy emacs bias. ;)
[17:27] <dickweed> i'm not sure i'll ever want to work without ANC headphones ever again
[17:27] <dickweed> day 1 was a booming success
[17:27] <jrwren> ANC?
[17:32] <dickweed> active noice cancelling
[17:32] <cmaloney> Just get larger speakers
[17:33] <dickweed> my workplace has a program we call PDP that is basically a training program for onsite consultants. its a 6month program consisting of 95% recent college grads. so they get really loud sometimes
[17:33] <cmaloney> https://www.sweetwater.com/c35--Yamaha--PA_Systems_and_Speakers
[17:33] <dickweed> the best part of these is that i can listen to music at a reasonable volume and still drown them out
[17:33] <dickweed> very quiet music is the only thing i can hear
[17:33] <cmaloney> Here we go: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DSR112
[17:33] <dickweed> much more relaxing than the volume i had to listen at before
[17:33] <dickweed> haha
[17:34] <cmaloney> yeah, I love my etymotics
[17:34] <dickweed> > in order to defend myself from really loud noise, i'm going to make louder noise
[17:34] <cmaloney> passive noise canceling is the way for me
[17:34] <cmaloney> like adding ear plugs and headphones
[17:34] <brousch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4iGo0dqsZE
[17:34] <cmaloney> I can't handle noice cancling headphones
[17:35] <dickweed> brousch: +1
[17:35] <cmaloney> +1
[17:36] <rick_h> cmaloney: oh man I live off them. so much better at starbucks/etc
[17:36] <brousch> "reasonable volume" always takes me there
[17:37] <cmaloney> rick_h: Absolutely
[17:37] <cmaloney> That and I can listen to classical music or ambient music
[17:37] <cmaloney> makes the music choices much wider
[17:37] <dickweed> rick_h: you mean anc or isolating?
[17:37] <cmaloney> instead of always having to jam death metal
[17:38] <cmaloney> (which is not a bad thing, but I like variety)
[17:38] <rick_h> dickweed: cancelling, basically my qc20's I can't live without
[17:38] <dickweed> i got mdr-1000x
[17:39] <dickweed> it was between these and qc35, but the 35s don't have a regular TRS
[17:39] <dickweed> these do
[17:40] <cmaloney> Tandy Radio Shack?
[17:40] <cmaloney> Minimus 7 4 lyfe
[17:40] <dickweed> 3.5mm
[19:07] <mrgoodcat> woops
[19:07] <mrgoodcat> changed nick in the wrong window and didn't notice
[19:09] <cmaloney> heh
[19:20] <notlikethesoup> lol
[19:20] <notlikethesoup> way to go dickweed
[19:21] <twitch> i mean
[19:21] <twitch> way to go dickweed
[20:22] <mrgoodcat1> yay netsplit
[20:23] <mrgoodcat> notlikethesoup: i knew who you were before the switch
[20:23] <mrgoodcat> for the record
[20:23] <notlikethesoup> i know
[20:23] <mrgoodcat> also i like notlikethesoup better
[20:23] <notlikethesoup> me too :(
[20:23] <notlikethesoup> it's just so long
[20:23] <mrgoodcat> not<tab.
[20:24] <mrgoodcat> s/\./>/
[20:24] <cmaloney> Yay netsplit
[20:24] <notlikethesoup> true


[11:18] <Ankhwatcher> hey hey hey!
[11:19] <Ankhwatcher> I want to create a 200GB partition on one of my Hard drives and migrate all of myth's storage to there. Any advice?
[11:50] <dewman> I must be getting old or something because I cant seem to find the recording profile screen anywhere.
[12:34] <dewman> Recording profile screen isnt on the backend setup is it? (.25 fixes)
[13:48] <dewman> I am pretty sure i have gone through every menu in the front end looking for the recording profile's screen and still cant find it.
[13:51] <rhpot1991> dewman: I think it is in mythtv-setup
[13:51] <rhpot1991> and then you choose which one on the recordings rules
[13:52] <rhpot1991> Ankhwatcher: is the old storage area going away?  is it currently a separate partition?
[13:52] <dewman> rhpot1991, via the front end?
[13:56] <rhpot1991> dewman: I believe the executable is only on your backend
[13:56] <rhpot1991> checking
[13:56] <rhpot1991> confirmed
[13:57] <dewman> DOHH!
[13:58] <dewman> I could have sworn in was on the frontend.
[13:59] <dewman> boy do i feel silly.
[14:30] <Ankhwatcher> rhpot1991: the old storage and the new storage will exist at the same time
[14:30] <Ankhwatcher> it is on a different set of hard-drives
[15:03] <rhpot1991> Ankhwatcher: what I would do is format and mount the new drive and add it to your storage group so you can use both
[15:19] <dekarl> if you expirience very high mysql cpu usage on an idle backend since shortly it might be the leap second that happend on June 30th. See http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1282232/mysql-high-cpu-usage (add sudo and use of service instead of init.d) It worked for me :)
[15:19] <Zinn> [stackoverflow.com] MySQL high CPU usage - Stack Overflow
[16:48] <DarthFrog> Nuisance.  Mythbuntu.org is down.
[16:51] <tgm4883> DarthFrog, thanks for the info, I can't even ping the machine so I've pinged the guy that can look at it
[16:52] <tgm4883> was there something you were looking for?
[16:52] <DarthFrog> Yes.  I want to download the latest ISO.
[16:52] <tgm4883> DarthFrog, in the US?
[16:53] <DarthFrog> Canada.
[16:53] <tgm4883> DarthFrog, this is probably the closest mirror http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mythbuntu/
[16:53] <Zinn> [ftp.osuosl.org] ftp.osuosl.org :: Oregon State University Open Source Lab
[16:53] <DarthFrog> Thanks!
[16:53] <tgm4883> DarthFrog, yw
[16:57] <DarthFrog> Its a fast mirror, too.  I'm getting 650 - 700 K download speed. :-)
[16:57] <tgm4883> yea it's a fast mirror
[17:01] <tgm4883> website is back up
[17:01] <DarthFrog> Oh good, that means I can get updates once I install it on my client's machine. :-)
[17:02] <DarthFrog> And can get the MD5sums. :-)
[17:09] <rhpot1991> dekarl: I got bit by that issue last night, ruined a few of my recordings
[17:10] <rhpot1991> luckily they reaired later in the night
[17:16] <DarthFrog> tgm4883:  Got the ISO, many thanks.  MD5Sum checked out OK and I'm now burning it to CD.
[20:03] <fleers> having an issue with frontend - OSD never comes up on the screen but I don't see any errors :
[20:03] <fleers> http://pastebin.com/AS4aQypN
[20:03] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] me@t00fe:~$ mythfrontend -v all QGtkStyle was unable to detect the current GTK+ - Pastebin.com
[20:11] <fleers> disregard - I did have a config error


[10:12] <Riddell> happy happy Monday
[10:33] <\sh> Riddell: happy? ok spain won..but my head is not happy today ;)
[10:49] <Xand3r> hi @ all
[10:49] <Xand3r> apachelogger: are you there?
[10:49] <Xand3r> are you here?^^
[10:50] <Riddell> hi Xand3r
[10:51] <Xand3r> hi Riddell i have a question, have you some time for me?
[10:51] <Riddell> what's the question?
[10:52] <Xand3r> i have a problem with the soname of a lib in my package
[10:52] <Xand3r> cause there is no soname
[10:53] <Xand3r> so how i can get one?
[10:53] <Riddell> I expect it means upstream doesn't want to give it one
[10:54] <Xand3r> ok, can i ignore that error?
[10:55] <Xand3r> or what have i to do?
[10:55] <Riddell> I expect so
[10:55] <Riddell> what's the library part of?
[10:56] <Xand3r> rubberband
[10:56] <Riddell> which is what?
[10:57] <Xand3r> maybe i dont got the question right
[10:57] <Riddell> what is rubberband?
[10:57] <smarter> hey there
[10:57] <Riddell> hi smarter
[10:57] <smarter> hey Riddell
[10:57] <smarter> his package is here: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=rubberband
[10:59] <Xand3r> for the changelog * FTBFS resolved with the patch from Gentoo
[10:59] <Xand3r> is that ok?
[11:00] <jussi01> rabbuerband home page: http://breakfastquay.com/rubberband/
[11:01] <Riddell> Xand3r: I always like to include the filename of the patch, so in future you know which one it refers to
[11:01] <Xand3r> ok
[11:03] <Xand3r>   * FTBFS solved with the rubberband-1.0.1-gcc43-ftbfs.patch from Gentoo
[11:03] <Riddell> perfect
[11:03] <Riddell> Xand3r: does anything make use of that rubberband library?
[11:04] <Xand3r> of course
[11:04] <Xand3r> much of programms use rubberband for example superlooper does
[11:05] <Riddell> hum, that really should be versioned then
[11:06] <Xand3r> how?
[11:06] <Xand3r> i will do it
[11:09] <Xand3r> smarter:  my new control http://paste.ubuntu.com/23920/
[11:09] <Xand3r> what dou you think about
[11:09] <Riddell> I think you'd need to ask upsteam
[11:09] <Xand3r> i included now the ehing with the dot
[11:10] <Riddell> their automake setup seems quite basic and I don't know how to add versioning to it
[11:10] <Riddell> and it depends on their versioning policy anyway
[11:10] <smarter> Xand3r: the "Audio time-stretching and pitch-shifting program - shared library" should be on the first line of the Description, not at the end
[11:10] <Riddell> it might be best to just ignore the .so and only create the -dev package
[11:10] <smarter> Xand3r: at the end you could put something like: "This package contains the shared library"
[11:11] <Riddell> the /usr/bin/rubberband app doesn't seem to actually use the .so
[11:11] <Xand3r> dont know
[11:12] <Xand3r> smarter: why saying two times it is shared library?
[11:13] <smarter> Xand3r: the first line of the description is used in the output of apt-cache search
[11:13] <smarter> the other lines are used when you do apt-cache show nameofthepackage
[11:13] <smarter> Xand3r: try apt-cache search firefox
[11:14] <Xand3r> ok i will do it
[11:15] <Xand3r> but i have to go to  the medic
[11:15] <Xand3r> thaks for help, i will come back soon, i hope
[11:15] <Xand3r> cya
[11:16] <smarter> bye
[11:38] <apachelogger> gmorning, gday, gevening, gnight
[11:38] <Nightrose> 'lo apachelogger :)
[11:39] <jpds> apachelogger: you been watcheing the Truman show?
[11:39] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:39] <apachelogger> no?
[11:39]  * apachelogger pokes \sh
[11:40]  * \sh is not online...only his body is watching...bug brain is dead ,)
[11:40] <apachelogger> meh
[11:41] <\sh> apachelogger: when it has something to do with leonov, please #leonov :)
[13:13] <Xand3r> back from the medic
[13:14]  * apachelogger hands Xand3r a cookie
[13:14] <Xand3r> thx
[13:15] <apachelogger> \sh: uscan would appreciate number-only-versions ... Newest version on remote site is 0.0.1, local version is 0.0.1a
[13:15] <\sh> apachelogger: uscan that brainfcked? ;)
[13:16] <\sh> apachelogger: i'll work on a different layout on releases.leonov.tv
[13:16] <apachelogger> \sh: well, just attach another diget
[13:16] <apachelogger> amaork also got <IP_ADDRESS> ;-)
[13:17] <Xand3r> scan is a good point, i need a copy program, only 3 things it just had to have, choos scanner choos printer, choos color and than the copy buton, is there somthing likthis
[13:19] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what do you think about the soname problem?
[13:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r: mail upstream
[13:20] <Xand3r> ok
[13:20] <apachelogger> wanna include r in ubuntu... blah blah.... can't because no soname/version ... blah blah .... hope you can fix it ASAP .. blah blah ... cookies!
[13:20] <Xand3r> have i inform him about  the patch?
[13:21] <apachelogger> better it is
[13:21] <apachelogger> he could just do a new release featuring that patch and proper library versioning
[13:22] <Xand3r> ok
[13:30] <Xand3r> i have sended the mail
[13:30] <Xand3r> hope he answers soon
[13:32] <Xand3r> another problem i have installet an gtk-qt-kde4 engin but in the dayly build it seems not to work, why, apachelogger is the reason the dayly build?
[13:33] <apachelogger> different paths
[13:33] <apachelogger> you will have to compile the engine against neon
[13:34] <Xand3r> ok thx
[13:47] <Xand3r> apachelogger: do you know a stupid-save copy/scan program?
[13:47] <apachelogger> skanlite? :P
[13:47]  * apachelogger only scans on vista
[13:47] <Xand3r> available for hardy?
[13:47] <apachelogger> scanning on vista is luvly :D
[13:47] <apachelogger> Xand3r: probably
[13:48] <apachelogger> otherwise... you know how to build a package ;-)
[13:48] <Xand3r> apachelogger: .p
[13:51] <Xand3r> urg there is no one
[13:56] <Xand3r> apachelogger: is sanlite a qt or an kde app
[13:56] <apachelogger> kde
[13:57] <apachelogger> Xand3r: dood
[13:57] <apachelogger> Xand3r: didn't you work on that?
[13:57] <apachelogger> Xand3r: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skanlite-kde4
[13:59] <Xand3r> ooohh
[13:59] <Xand3r> i remember^^
[13:59] <Xand3r> gosh my brain lost things i done a day befor
[14:01] <apachelogger> happens from time to time
[14:01] <Xand3r> no
[14:01] <Xand3r> every day
[14:01]  * JontheEchidna tosses Xand3r the notes plasmoid and cookies
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:02] <Xand3r> thx
[14:02] <Xand3r> cookies are good
[14:03] <Xand3r> apachelogger: there is a problem, the person who needs this program has kde3
[14:06] <Riddell> use kooka
[14:07] <apachelogger> well
[14:07] <Riddell> works for me
[14:07] <apachelogger> kooka is horrible broken
[14:07] <Riddell> I've never had any problems from it
[14:07] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[14:08]  * apachelogger never heard a good thing about kooka from his friends
[14:08] <Xand3r> Riddell: for you not for my mum, she need a program where you  choos scanner, choos printer, choos color and than the copy buton, is there somthing like this?
[14:09] <Riddell> not that I know of
[14:09] <Xand3r> sad
[14:10] <Xand3r> if i hade knowled about a programlanguage an qt i would creat one, but i dont have
[14:18] <jussi01> Xand3r: surely kooka cant be that hard - it asks which scanner on start up, you click preview, select the area/leave it for the whole thing, the click final scan
[14:20] <Xand3r> jussi01: i know, but people who dont work the hole day on a computer, are iritate of every sympol button and text they dont need
[14:20] <Xand3r> so i search a realy easy on
[14:20] <jussi01> dont some of the image editors have an "acquire" ?
[14:21] <Xand3r> jussi01: acquire?
[14:23] <jussi01> Xand3r: yes, in some image editing programs there is an acquire in the menu, where you can say from scanner, and it gives you a dialogue to scan
[14:23] <Xand3r> hmm i dont know, i have to teach the person using kooka
[14:41] <Xand3r> apachelogger: kooka is realy... you know, em dou you know some one who may be could creat suche a program?
[14:51] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[14:51] <apachelogger> Xand3r: mail the skanlite author(s)
[14:51] <apachelogger> if someone is goint to creat such an application it will be for kde4 anyway
[14:53] <Xand3r> hmmm, but i need a kde3 app, so i dont waste theire time
[14:55] <Xand3r> apachelogger: has skanlite a projekt homepage?
[14:55] <apachelogger> Xand3r: do I look like google? :P
[14:56] <Xand3r> maybe _p
[14:56] <Xand3r> .p
[14:59] <Xand3r> i have an hour time, what could i do?
[15:00] <Xand3r> apachelogger: please have a look in the query
[15:02] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:02] <Xand3r> hi nixternal
[15:06] <nixternal> howdy
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> So does anybody from Kubuntu read the ubuntu-art list?
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> Or is there a better way to send art submissions to kubuntu?
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/oxyconnex-06.jpg
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/oxyconnex2.png
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+Connections?content=84047
[15:12] <Riddell> we're not really looking for submissions for intrepid since the plan is to go with KDE's artwork
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> Ok, the default theme is nice anyway. :)
[15:19] <Arby>  Riddell: around?
[15:19] <Arby> Riddell: I'm back to trying to sort out kdepim-dev
[15:20] <Riddell> hi Arby
[15:20] <Arby> having rebuilt my broken chroot
[15:20] <Arby> I'm getting blocked on uninstallable dependencies
[15:20] <Arby> specifically mysql-server-5.0
[15:20] <Arby> which stops akonadi from installing
[15:21] <Riddell> what's uninstallable about it?
[15:21] <Arby> hang on let me pastebin the output
[15:23] <Arby> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23968/
[15:24] <Arby> basically the initscript fails for an unknown reason
[15:24] <Riddell> rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst
[15:24] <Arby> success!
[15:24] <Arby> thanks
[15:25] <Arby> that just leaves kdelibs5-dev
[15:25] <Arby> which eventually goes back to
[15:25] <Arby> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:25] <Arby>   libgnutls-dev: Depends: libgnutls13 (= 2.0.4-1ubuntu2) but 2.0.4-1ubuntu2.1 is to be installed
[15:25] <Arby> after much dependency chasing
[15:26] <Arby> it looks like that should be '>=' rather than just '>'
[15:27] <Arby> what can I do other than rebuild libgnutls13 ?
[15:28] <Riddell> Arby: are you on amd64?
[15:28] <Arby> no
[15:32] <Arby> hmm, I think remove and reinstall has fixed it
[15:32] <Arby> waiting for stuff to finish installing
[15:47]  * Arby commences building kdepim. back in 3 days
[17:17] <apachelogger> jussi01: can you please testbuild quassel on gutsy and feisty for bug 243890
[18:02] <james_w> apachelogger: hi, are you around?
[18:04] <apachelogger> hey james_w
[18:04] <james_w> hey
[18:05] <james_w> I'm looking at the amarok packaging, would you have a minute for a couple of questions?
[18:05] <apachelogger> sure
[18:06] <james_w> I'm looking at the diff to Debian, and there's a few things that I can't work out, and that aren't explicitly documented.
[18:06] <james_w> firstly the addition of python, python-qt3 and libqt0-ruby1.8 to Suggests.
[18:07] <apachelogger> necessary for the stock amarok scripts
[18:08] <james_w> so they would be applicable to Debian?
[18:08] <apachelogger> totally
[18:08] <james_w> cool, the next is "-   - Track "mood" display (requires moodbar package installed)"
[18:09] <james_w> from the description, the package is still suggested, so it seems that it's not that support has gone away, was it perhaps just a mistake during a merge that the line was removed?
[18:09] <apachelogger> !info moodbar
[18:09] <apachelogger> james_w: one moment please
[18:10] <ubott2> moodbar (source: moodbar): Analysis program for creating a colorful visual representation of an audio file. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.1.2-2ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 34 kB, installed size 168 kB
[18:10] <apachelogger> james_w: yes, merge mistake
[18:10] <james_w> cool, would you like a bug report for that?
[18:12] <apachelogger> not necessary, I just fixed it
[18:13] <james_w> great, thanks.
[18:13] <james_w> the last is the addition of the amarok-engine virtual package, is there another engine that the user may wish to install from elsewhere?
[18:15] <apachelogger> actually I think that can be dropped
[18:16] <apachelogger> wanted to hear some opinions on that, IMO a virtual package is pretty much pointless for the engines
[18:17] <apachelogger> since we need to require on specific -engine- packages, as the ABI tends to break for most releases
[18:17] <apachelogger> that said, the engines will disappear in amarok2 anyway, so...
[18:20] <james_w> actually I just found another little one. It seems from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308099 that symlinking amarokapp is not necessary any more.
[18:20] <ubott2> Debian bug 308099 in amarok "amarokapp doesn't belong into /usr/lib/amarok" [Important,Closed]
[18:22] <apachelogger> james_w: don't know about that one
[18:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you know why we link usr/bin/amarok to usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp?
[18:23] <james_w> from the changelog "Closes bugs #16474, #52360."
[18:24] <james_w> one of those mentions that Debian bug (or rather its duplicate)
[18:24] <james_w> and also one on bugs.kde.org.
[18:24] <ubott2> james_w: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/16474/+text)
[18:24] <ubott2> james_w: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The connect operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/52360/+text)
[18:24] <jussio1> wha?
[18:24] <jussio1> hrm
[18:25] <apachelogger> james_w: well I imagine we link due to compability reasons
[18:25] <apachelogger> amarokapp was literally placed in usr/lib/amarok/
[18:25] <apachelogger> while now it is in bin and we link to lib
[18:25] <apachelogger> I don't see a usecase though ;-)
[19:59] <milian-laptop> stdin: apachelogger told me that I should get in contact with you. I noticed that some KDE 4.1 packages (i.e. step-kde4) don't really include anything
[19:59] <milian-laptop> a dpkg -L yields only README, debian changelog and license
[19:59] <milian-laptop> all in /usr/share/doc/step-kde4
[19:59] <milian-laptop> that's it
[20:07] <stdin> milian-laptop: I probably messed something up, give me a min
[20:07] <milian-laptop> yes of course
[20:07] <milian-laptop> shall I check which packages are affected?
[20:07] <stdin> probably all of kdeedu
[20:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: we don't link usr/bin/amarok to usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp
[20:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah, we link /usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp to usr/bin/amarok
[20:18] <Riddell> which is probably just historical
[20:18] <apachelogger> 	ln -s /usr/bin/amarokapp debian/amarok/usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp
[20:25] <stdin> milian-laptop: ~ppa4 should fix it, probably published in around 40 mins
[20:26] <milian-laptop> ty stdin
[20:30] <milian-laptop> stdin: http://pastebin.com/m132da22e <-- this is a list of all the packages I have installed, which end on -kde4 and which do not have a binary with of that name (without trailing -kde4)
[20:30] <milian-laptop> there are some false positives in there
[20:30] <milian-laptop> i.e. meta packages
[20:31] <milian-laptop> maybe this is really only kdeedu - but I wanted to make sure
[20:53] <Arby> Riddell: finally got kdepim-dev sorted
[20:53] <Arby> everything builds properly
[20:54] <Arby> and the package is installable
[20:54] <Arby> given a bit of dependency chasing
[20:54] <Arby> files are in the usual place
[20:55] <Arby> my only concern is that I had to install libkdepim4 manually to keep shlibs happy
[20:55] <Arby> does that matter?
[20:57] <Riddell> that should be fine
[20:57] <Arby> good
[21:06] <Arby> Riddell: kopete-crypto done now as well.
[21:07] <Arby> Riddell: did anything else in extragear get done?
[21:07] <Arby> or can I just carry on at will
[21:21] <Riddell> Arby: done are kcoloredit  kfax  kgrab  kgraphviewer  kiconedit  kio-gopher  kmldonkey
[21:21] <Arby> ok I'll carry on with the rest then
[21:23] <Riddell> Arby: ah, we also have http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=skanlite
[21:24] <Arby> good, that's one less for me to do :)
[21:29] <Arby> Riddell: kpovmodeler done
[21:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: Anything else before I ask Chris to redirect the DNS?
[21:49] <Arby> Riddell: trying to merge kphotoalbum but blocked on a build-dep
[21:49] <Arby> Riddell: kphotoalbum build-deps on libkexif1-dev but
[21:49] <Arby> libkexif1-dev: Depends: kdelibs4-dev but it is not going to be installed
[21:50] <Arby> we already have kdelibs5-dev
[21:50] <Arby> and the two seem to be mutually exclusive
[21:50] <Arby> do we need to update libkexif1-dev?
[21:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: nevermind, I found something
[21:58] <Riddell> ryanakca: found something?  what you updated to the current articles?
[21:59] <Riddell> Arby: mm, I need to ponder what to do about those libraries
[21:59] <Riddell> there's new versions and they overlap somewhat
[21:59] <Arby> Riddell: ok, no rush
[22:00] <Arby> just let me know when we have a solution (or if you want me to package one)
[22:00] <Arby> I can work on something else in the meantime
[22:01] <ryanakca> Riddell: user uploaded images don't show up if you aren't logged in.
[22:20] <Riddell> ryanakca: how hard can it be to set up this website?
[22:20] <Riddell> (rhetorical)
[23:07] <vorian> o/ hello everyone :)
[23:17] <apachelogger> hey vorian
[23:17] <vorian> how are things?
[23:19] <apachelogger> Kayish, I'd say ;-)
[23:19] <apachelogger> vorian: when are you applying for MOTU?
[23:19] <vorian> apachelogger: mmmm, maybe after a few more uploads
[23:20] <apachelogger> hm
[23:20] <apachelogger> vorian: you could write an MIR ;-)
[23:20] <vorian> what's MIR?
[23:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess you didn't file one for libqca2-plugin-ossl yet
[23:20] <apachelogger> vorian: main inclusion report
[23:20] <apachelogger> vorian: necessary to get a package into main
[23:20] <vorian> hahaa
[23:21] <apachelogger> vorian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[23:21] <vorian> i was just about to say /me looks :D
[23:22] <vorian> these are for each of the main KDE packages?
[23:22] <apachelogger> vorian: pardon?
[23:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's that for?
[23:23] <vorian> apachelogger: i was wondering which package I should write a MIR for :)
[23:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: ssl jabber
[23:23] <apachelogger> the new version of libqca-tsl
[23:23] <apachelogger> tls
[23:24] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportQCATLS?highlight=%28qca%29
[23:24] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qca2-plugin-ossl
[23:24] <apachelogger> vorian: the last url
[23:24] <vorian> i see
[23:26] <apachelogger> actually -tls can be moved to universe http://paste.ubuntu.com/24094/
[23:26] <apachelogger> no main dependencies anymore
[23:28] <apachelogger> oh boy, I choose disconnected imap
[23:28]  * apachelogger headdesks
[23:29] <vorian> :(


[12:36] <poningru> gnomefreak: I have time today to learn the packaging
[12:36] <poningru> are you available today?
[12:37] <Admiral_Chicago> poningru: i don't think John will be available...but I don't speak for him
[12:38] <poningru> I am gonna package todays ff
[12:38] <poningru> hopefully...
[12:39] <poningru> k thanks
[12:40] <Admiral_Chicago> poningru: maybe alexander can help when he gets back
[12:40] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, did you get the email John sent out?
[12:42] <poningru> mmm dont think so
[12:42] <poningru> holy shite I am not subscribed
[12:49] <gnomefreak> i will be here in and out but mainly until i leave i will be working on crashreports to clean them up. poningru packaing a new version of ff will need to be merged before package can be built merging is  a bitch if you have never done it. I think i have once.
[11:45] <asac> hi all
[12:12] <gnomefreak> hi
[12:12] <asac> hey still here
[12:12] <asac> thought you will leave?
[12:12] <gnomefreak> next week tues/wed
[12:14] <gnomefreak> whats with tags on bug 63230
[12:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63230 in firefox "firefox crash after opening totem in a tab" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63230
[12:17] <asac> let me see
[12:18] <asac> yes ... messy .. as usual mt-needretrace mt-needsummary i would say
[12:20] <asac> gnomefreak: what do you think about team council, goverance and stuff like that? ... i must admit that I share the concerns of AlexLatchford ... at least a bit.
[12:20] <gnomefreak> i didnt read email yet
[12:21] <asac> ah ok
[12:21] <gnomefreak> i havent seen alexs concerns i will in a bit
[12:30] <gnomefreak> do you think there are enough retraces on this bug? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/45008 while you look ill check email :)
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45008 in firefox "Firefox Crashes on Saving Files  [@nsFilePicker::Show] " [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:30] <asac> bug 43393
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43393 in firefox "Doesn't show thai language correctly" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43393
[12:30] <asac> gnomefreak: .... yeah ... lets close this bug
[12:31] <gnomefreak> 45008?
[12:31] <asac> e.g. summary update: [CLOSED]  ... and in description DON'T POST ANY MORE CRASEHS HERE
[12:31] <asac> :)
[12:31] <gnomefreak> has it been fixed?
[12:31] <asac> not closed as in fixed :)
[12:31] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:31] <asac> closed as in Thread-Locked :)
[12:31] <asac> how many reports are untraced?
[12:32] <asac> in there?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> 2 or so but cant do them due to no coredump
[12:33] <gnomefreak> should i add this all to summary. keep whats there and add [CLOSED]  in summary and that at beginning of desciption add dont post....
[12:33] <asac> yes please
[12:34] <asac> and don't bother about the non-coredump crashers
[12:34] <gnomefreak> k
[12:34] <gnomefreak> its done :) just waiting for page to reload
[12:34] <gnomefreak> pull all tags off?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> i added mt-confirm for the ones i just did on that bug.
[12:46] <asac> yes
[12:46] <asac> thats good
[01:23] <asac> gnomefreak: before you leave, can you please post some brief words on what -dbg packages to install and what apport-retrace command to run in order to do the retrace as you are doing?
[01:23] <asac> i am thinking about writing a script to semi-automate this stuff
[01:23] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:23] <asac> i think it will take time until martin will come up with something automatic
[01:24] <gnomefreak> well he needs to update feisty and edgy repos badly :(
[01:24] <asac> he won't
[01:25] <asac> he has no time atm.
[01:25] <asac> however, nothing official
[01:25] <asac> just my own experience tells me that this will take time to work out
[01:26] <gnomefreak> oh im sure
[01:26] <asac> just a few words, what packages to install to get somehow good results and how to run which version of apport-retrace
[01:27] <asac> we have to pull in feisty version for processing edgy reports, right?
[01:27] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:28] <gnomefreak> im using 0.50 but any version should work
[01:28] <gnomefreak> i will update my apport to newest feisty and see if it works as good
[01:28] <asac> okok .. superb
[01:29] <gnomefreak> i will send commands and packages out to mailing list sometime this week. im trying to get most cleaned up before next week
[01:29] <gnomefreak> down to like 32 of them for ff
[01:30] <asac> 32 reports untraced?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> yep from 54 i think it was
[01:32] <gnomefreak> got most of feistys done i left a few for 64bit
[01:34] <gnomefreak> alot
[01:35] <gnomefreak> but im almost done with the high priority retraces :)
[01:52] <asac> Bug 61229
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61229 in thunderbird-locales "Please provide missing locale (lt) for Thunderbird" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61229
[02:08] <gnomefreak> email is being sent
[02:08] <asac> about gvernance et al? or what?
[02:08] <gnomefreak> asac: i worked on that but you might want to take it.
[02:08] <gnomefreak> that too
[02:08] <gnomefreak> i sent that one and the retrace one
[02:09] <gnomefreak> i also gave examples on the retrace one
[02:16] <asac> will take a look in a minute ... you sent to ml?
[02:17] <gnomefreak> asac: you might want to take bug 61229 i havent had a chance to look at it too much i couldnt find wher eto put the .xpi but i think you said in enigmail but havent gotten to far on that. as for the patch you wanted me to try and apply i used the path in each section of the patch but kept telling me no file found i will have to take a few daays of steady working on that (its not as easy as it seems) output i got (if of any help i
[02:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61229 in thunderbird-locales "Please provide missing locale (lt) for Thunderbird" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61229
[02:17] <gnomefreak> yes i sent it to ML
[02:20] <asac> gnomefreak: your message above has been truncated somehow
[02:20] <asac> thunderbird-locales ... apt-get source thunderbird-locales
[02:20] <asac> then look where the .xpi are in there
[02:20] <gnomefreak> oh than rebuild the locals
[02:21] <gnomefreak> i just grabbed source mozilla-thunderbird  :(
[02:21] <asac> drop it there ... extend debian/control ... then take a look at debian/rules if all .xpis are manually listed there somewhere ...
[02:21] <asac> hehe
[02:21] <asac> no its a package on its own
[02:21] <asac> thunderbird-locales is your candidate :)
[02:21] <gnomefreak> ah no wonder why i couldnt find them
[02:22] <gnomefreak> i will try it again little later today
[02:23] <asac> np ... take your time ... the task is getting bigger though: we need to replace all .xpi files :) because we want official branding and .xpis currently included are stripped ... maybe do that first :) just replace all .xpi ... and build a new orig.tar.gz from that.
[02:23] <asac> then if that is done, we can add -lt
[02:23] <asac> :)
[02:23] <gnomefreak> k
[02:32] <asac> gnomefreak: good ... (retraces) ... for feisty we don't need to download reports?
[02:32] <asac> its done automagically?
[02:32] <gnomefreak> nope
[02:32] <gnomefreak> just the bug #
[02:32] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:33] <gnomefreak> it takes longer to do than edgys
[02:33] <asac> so no download?
[02:33] <asac> i will try :)
[02:33] <gnomefreak> not for feisty
[02:33] <asac> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/86562
[02:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86562 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall() on close" [High,Needs info]
[02:33] <asac> that one?
[02:34] <asac> should work
[02:34] <asac> lets try :)
[02:34] <gnomefreak> asac: the problem you will see with feistys is alot of conflicting package versions and you cant downgrade to them using apt
[02:34] <asac> lets see
[02:36] <asac> what happens if there are more than one crash reports attached?
[02:37] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont know truthfully i would ask seb or martin about that. i havent had one with more than one report yet
[02:37] <asac> hmmm we need an sources.list line for the -dbgsym repo?
[02:37] <asac> ok
[02:37] <gnomefreak> seb started me on feistys reports and i came up with other options to use
[02:37] <gnomefreak> yes i think you do (i do)
[02:37] <asac> hmmm ... you have the lines?
[02:38] <asac> i would like to add them to the mail
[02:38] <gnomefreak> feisty or edgy?
[02:38] <gnomefreak> well same just replace the dist.
[02:39] <gnomefreak> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs feisty main restricted universe multiverse
[02:39] <gnomefreak> change feisty to edgy for edgy
[02:39] <gnomefreak> and you know about adding: danielhollocher's retrace.
[02:39] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/48772/comments/2
[02:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48772 in firefox "Firefox randomly crashes" [Medium,Needs info]
[02:39] <gnomefreak> when more than one report
[02:40] <gnomefreak> oops forgot to add assign it back to team and change tags
[02:45] <gnomefreak> and -v is important to use so you know what is going on once you get comfortable with it IMHO
[02:53] <gnomefreak> grrr
[02:53] <gnomefreak> cant do bug 63230
[02:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63230 in firefox "firefox crash after opening totem in a tab" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63230
[02:54] <asac> gnomefreak: ok ... but i can retrace as user ... or do i need to be root to install -dbgsym packages et al?
[02:54] <gnomefreak> user
[02:54] <asac> fine
[02:56] <asac> gnomefreak: yes thats fine ... in fact I think that we should add a boilerplate text for lots of cases ... in this case we should apologize a bit that we didn't process bug earlier :)
[02:56] <asac> <-- about bug 63230
[02:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63230 in firefox "firefox crash after opening totem in a tab" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63230
[02:57] <gnomefreak> ok
[03:02] <gnomefreak> k let me know how retrace goes
[03:41] <asac> retraces look good
[03:42] <asac> though I still don't see why they look different when -dbg package installed vs. not installed
[03:47] <gnomefreak> maybe the -dbg packages are still used incase the -dbgsym packages cant be found? i dont know that much about apport but it would help to know
[03:50] <asac> yeah ... probably
[05:02] <gnomefreak> asac: did you send totem fix to seb128? or are we waiting for something?
[05:03] <asac> meeting :)
[05:03] <asac> will do
[05:03] <asac> after
[05:03] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[05:03] <asac> what was master bug?
[05:04] <gnomefreak> ill get it in a few minutes as soon as retrace is done. retrace likes to lock me up
[05:07] <gnomefreak> bug 86265
[05:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86265 in firefox "[apport]  firefox crash [@totemScriptablePlugin::~totemScriptablePlugin] " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86265
[05:07] <gnomefreak> that would be it
[05:17] <gnomefreak> lol only 1 problem with that topic in the meeting X isnt fully merged and is breaking beryl
[05:59] <asac> ok
[05:59] <asac> next week i will have some topics i guess :)
[06:00] <asac> gnomefreak: ... how can i add another package to a bug in lp? ... i am lost somehow ... or blind or whatever
[06:01] <asac> also affects distribution?
[06:01] <asac> gues thats it ... ubuntu
[06:08] <asac> ok ... done
[06:10] <gnomefreak> yep that is it
[06:10] <gnomefreak> sorry was getting ready to leave
[06:13] <asac> np
[06:13] <asac> ok ... cu then
[06:14] <asac> take care
[06:14] <asac> !
[08:04] <gnomefreak> damn i hate amarok
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: blasphmy
[08:06] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: cant listen to music and retrace at same time
[08:06] <gnomefreak> god forbid i might beablet o multitask
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> really? that's probably a bug in there
[08:07] <gnomefreak> its in apport if i had to guess or its just the way apport works
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> yes.
[08:20] <gnomefreak> wtf is wrong with apport :(
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> i could take apart apport and look it up but i have to studp right now
[08:24] <gnomefreak> asac: you around?
[08:25] <Admiral_Chicago> stuy* bbl
[08:25] <gnomefreak> apport is failing to upload coredumps (atleast one bug so far that i found) <feisty>
[08:25] <gnomefreak> study
[08:25] <gnomefreak> :)
[09:07] <asac> gnomefreak: heh?
[10:59] <AlexLatchford> bug 84716
[10:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84716 in firefox "firefox crashes, screen divides after applying orca screen reader" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84716
[10:59] <AlexLatchford> hmm, take a look at the Activity Log
[10:59] <AlexLatchford> says asac has commented, but it isn't showing for me
[11:02] <gnomefreak> looking
[11:02] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: you feel like chairing the next meeting?
[11:02] <AlexLatchford> yeah sure
[11:02] <gnomefreak> i might be there but i doubt it
[11:03] <gnomefreak> i dont see any comment from him
[11:03] <AlexLatchford> take a look in the activity log
[11:03] <gnomefreak> he might have changed something than changed it back
[11:03] <gnomefreak> where is it
[11:03] <AlexLatchford> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/84716/+activity
[11:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84716 in firefox "firefox crashes, screen divides after applying orca screen reader" [High,Needs info]
[11:03] <gnomefreak> nvm found it
[11:03] <AlexLatchford> see the comment there?
[11:04] <gnomefreak> yeah
[11:04] <AlexLatchford> interesting
[11:04] <AlexLatchford> Ill file a Malone bug
[11:05] <gnomefreak> maybe it didnt take but the importance took (Lp is messed up anyway. notice your karma hasnt changed in a week
[11:05] <AlexLatchford> yeah, ill file it anyway
[11:05] <AlexLatchford> keep the team on its toes
[11:05] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:06] <AlexLatchford> meh, think they have a few similar, think ill leave it
[11:28] <asac> so is that the only maybe accessibility report we have?
[11:28] <asac> activity is broken?
[11:35] <asac> AlexLatchford: can you please use pgp/mime to sign your messages? mutt just hates inline signatures :/
[11:36] <AlexLatchford> yeah sure
[11:36] <AlexLatchford> ill make the changes later
[11:41] <asac> AlexLatchford: have you seen other comments disappear?
[11:41] <asac> or just mine?
[11:41] <AlexLatchford> just that 1 thus far
[11:41] <asac> hmm ... what is the lp bug ... you already filed?
[11:42] <AlexLatchford> nah I didn't bother, there seems to be several around the same issue if you search
[11:42] <asac> ok
[11:54] <gnomefreak> has anyone figured out how to get time stamp in gnome-terminal :(
[11:55] <gnomefreak> its been on my to do list since breezy and i still havent figured it out
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> there is a timer if you precede the command with time
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> so.. 'time ls'
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> but I dunno about timestamps
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> 'time cat'
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> is a funny command
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> hit Ctrl+D to stop the timer
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> (time cat is a stopwatch)
[12:01] <AlexLatchford> okay sleep time I think
[12:01] <AlexLatchford> night
[12:06] <asac> gnomefreak: depends  on what shell you use
[12:06] <asac> if bash
[12:06] <asac> edit .bashrc
[12:06] <gnomefreak> yeah bash
[12:06] <asac> PS1 variabe
[12:06] <asac> variable
[12:06] <asac> see man bash
[12:07] <asac> search for PS1
[12:07] <gnomefreak> k
[12:07] <asac> then play around by
[12:08] <asac> e.g. test
[12:09] <asac> export PS1='\T'
[12:09] <asac> :)
[12:09] <asac> maybe: export PS1='\T@\h$ '
[12:11] <asac> for me export PS1='\T@\h:\W$ ' would work a bit
[12:14] <gnomefreak> :) ty
[12:15] <asac> poningru: you are a painter?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> 06:15:27@FeistyFawn:~$  does that look right?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> i guess it drops username for time because of length
[12:18] <asac> no
[12:18] <asac> user name is not included in template
[12:18] <asac> man bash
[12:18] <asac> search for PS1 a few times
[12:18] <asac> there is a table what means what
[12:19] <asac> currently I don't have it anymore ... still need to migrate my bashrc from my old box ... if that is done, I can tell what i have :)
[12:20] <asac> but google PS1 bash
[12:20] <asac> there should be plenty of common usages
[12:20] <gnomefreak> ah ok ty