[02:10] <marathon> Hello
[02:12] <marathon> :|
[04:51] <RonWhoCares> Does anyone recognize this: I've just received this error after upgrading to Ubuntu 18.04 .  Any ideas? Using AVStream.codec to pass codec parameters to muxers is deprecated, use AVStream.codecpar instead.
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> RonWhoCares: its not reccomended to upgrade to bionic at this stage
[04:53] <RonWhoCares> It was an accident
[04:53] <RonWhoCares> I meant to go to 17.04
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> RonWhoCares: clean install 18.04 to help testing mate
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> RonWhoCares: leftovers from broken upgrades are not gonna be helpfull to bug out real issues
[05:04] <valorie> RonWhoCares: to 17.04? that is long out of support
[05:04] <valorie> 17.10 is the current
[05:12] <RonWhoCares> yes
[05:12] <RonWhoCares> When is 18.04 released
[05:16] <valorie> the link is in the /topic, RonWhoCares
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> RonWhoCares: april 2018 = 18.04
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> RonWhoCares: so you upgraded to 17.04? or upgraded to 18.04?
[05:19] <RonWhoCares> 18.04
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> RonWhoCares: from wich version and how?
[05:57] <RonWhoCares> I am playing an MP4.  It is showing *all* green
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> RonWhoCares: install 18.04 clean
[13:01] <Boyette> hi
[13:02] <Boyette> i have a problem
[13:14] <Boyette> its fixed now thx
[15:34] <BLZbubba> Boyette: glad we could help :P
[16:56] <Odd_Bloke> :D
[20:02] <john_rambo> When I select "use nvidia proprietary driver 384" and click apply it immediately reverts back to nouveau
[20:04] <john_rambo> ?
[20:09] <ckrumme> I have tried both on a Core2 system, and things were very flakey.
[21:34] <marathon> Hey folks
[21:35] <marathon> anyone noticing GDM3 not accepting mouse clicks after today's update?
[21:37] <marathon> hm OK everyone napping?
[22:34] <Boyette> h
[22:34] <Boyette> hi
[22:35] <Boyette> How do i make a systemoverview ?
[22:35] <Boyette> so someone can look at it.. to see if i need to improve something
[22:35] <Odd_Bloke> Boyette: I'm not sure what you're describing; could you give an example?
[22:35] <nacc> Boyette: not really a thing
[22:36] <nacc> Boyette: i see you asked the same in #ubuntu
[22:39] <Boyette> yes
[22:39] <Boyette> like i make a pastebin about installed packages and hardware
[22:39] <Boyette> so maybe someone can check if there are missing packages or something
[22:39] <nacc> inxi ?
[22:39] <nacc> Boyette: 'missing packges'?
[22:39] <nacc> Boyette: i feel like you are assuming something
[22:39] <Boyette> thats just hardware
[22:39] <nacc> Boyette: are you actually hitting an issue
[22:40] <nacc> Boyette: no it's not.
[22:40] <Boyette> ourput for inxi =
[22:40] <Boyette> https://pastebin.com/SS0zr6uW
[22:41] <Boyette> i have mostly problems with graphics but maybe because i need to use mesa
[22:41] <Boyette> and its not very well developed for my hardware
[22:47] <Boyette> i think
[22:48] <nacc> Boyette: are you using 18.04?
[22:51] <Boyette> No LSB modules are available.
[22:51] <Boyette> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[22:51] <Boyette> Description:	Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch)
[22:51] <Boyette> Release:	18.04
[22:51] <Boyette> Codename:	bionic
[23:07] <nacc> Boyette: ok
[23:10] <Boyette> https://pastebin.com/TBP5bL5t


[11:14] <PatrickDickey> teolemon: Did you ever get an answer about QuickShot? I saw you asked about it yesterday.
[11:18] <PatrickDickey> teolemon: In case you didn't get the answer that you want (as i'll be leaving shortly), QuickShot is based on Quickly. But neither application has been developed for the more recent versions of Ubuntu. If you're a programmer, or want to take a shot at getting them working, I'd say to send Kevin Godby (godbyk) and email about it.


[19:42] <ronal> alguien habla español?
[19:42] <saitoh183_> ok sec
[19:42] <brohan_> Hello all. I have a laptop with a 1TB HDD, that even with Win8 dual boot has a lot of room left on it. Unfortunately the drive is failing. The machine has room for 2 drives. I am considering adding on an SSD. What size would be best? What should I put on it?
[19:42] <backbox> dothis
[19:42] <nacc> !es | ronal
[19:42] <brohan_> I figure /boot /swap and root
[19:42] <backbox> many ethenticationmay required
[19:42] <nacc> brohan_: if the drive is failing, shouldn't you back up everytyhing?
[19:42] <brohan_> nacc: I am currently doing a dd of my /home partition
[19:42] <ericb2> ioria, I'm OpenOffice dev
[19:43] <saitoh183_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19205174/
[19:43] <TiK> How do I edit a docx file?
[19:43] <ioria> ericb2, that's ok, then
[19:43] <ericb2> ioria, and I forked OpenOffice.org long time ago
[19:43] <nacc> saitoh183_: ppa support must come from the ppa owner, sorry
[19:43] <nacc> saitoh183_: if you are willing to purge the ppa and try install phpmyadmin again, i can try and help
[19:43] <saitoh183_> i added the nijel after trying for many hours with the ubuntu
[19:44] <nacc> saitoh183_: i can only cite what i have said a few times, i just did an `apt-get install phpmyadmin` in a fresh xenial environment and had no issues.
[19:44] <nacc> TiK: openoffice/libreoffice?
[19:44] <k1l> backbox: see the bots message where to get help with backbox. the other talk is offtopic in here
[19:45] <nacc> brohan_: sorry, confused by what you are asking then?
[19:45] <TiK> nacc: tried that... I can't edit anything
[19:45] <saitoh183_> nacc: yeah...i did that also and it seemed to work and i had to remove it and i could not get it back to that point
[19:45] <Exagone313> TiK: you may have issues with this proprietary format, if possible, try to switch and ask around to use the opendocument format (odt, odp...)
[19:45] <Exagone313> if no one ask for that, it won't move
[19:46] <nacc> TiK: ah, it might depend on the particular document; wonder if google docs or something can help (not sure)
[19:46] <nacc> saitoh183_: ok, so you had it working ... then removed it?
[19:47] <saitoh183_> yeah cuz i had a access denied error with root @localhost and i decided to start from scratch and since then, i cant get it to the db portion
[19:48] <nacc> saitoh183_: if i had to make a guess, that means you didn't actually purge the db settings and so it's not asking to reconfigure what is already configured; try `dpkg-reconfigure -plow phpmyadmin` ?
[19:48] <nacc> saitoh183_: did you not give root a password?
[19:48] <heap_> hi, which ubuntu is more stable jessie or xenial?
[19:48] <b-yeezi> Hi all, I have a question about accessing a mongodb server running in an LXC container from the host
[19:48] <nacc> heap_: jessie is debian, not ubuntu.
[19:48] <k1l> heap_: there is no jessie
[19:49] <heap_> oh ok sorry
[19:49] <nacc> b-yeezi: just ask, you might get more help in #ubuntu-server, though (or an LXC channel if it's a LXC issue)
[19:49] <amsb> so I've had no luck in #linux-mint or ##linux as it seems no one is in either channel...may I ask my derivative distro question in here?
[19:49] <b-yeezi> nacc I will try that. Thanks.
[19:50] <TiK> how do I add music to an Iphone without vbox/itunes?
[19:50] <amsb> motherMayI
[19:50] <k1l> TiK: i guess you dont. since apple doesnt want you to
[19:51] <TiK> k1l: :)
[19:51] <DJones> amsb: If you're using Ubuntu, then yes
[19:51] <TiK> k1l: I miss my andriod phone  could just drag drop into a Music folder
[19:51] <k1l> amsb: we can only support ubuntu in here. see the mint forums if you need help with mint and the mint channels are dead
[19:51] <b-yeezi> I am just trying to connect to it, but it say connection refused by server.  I can ping it, I made sure the port is open. Still no luck
[19:52] <b-yeezi> I can see a new lxbr0 network device, and when I ping the container, I see that it's using that device's gateway
[19:54] <saitoh183_> nacc: dpkg-reconfigure -plow phpmyadmin just get the web application choice...hit ok and it closes
[19:55] <nacc> saitoh183_: with the ubuntu package?
[19:57] <SebastianRasor01> Hey guys, I'm looking for a way to encrypt my Ubuntu system due to Veracrypt not supporting system encryption.
[19:58] <saitoh183_> nacc: with both...i have been trying with the ubuntu package since yesterday...about 1 hour ago i saw the nijel ppa and gave it a try
[19:58] <sidiling> hello
[19:58] <nacc> saitoh183_: unfortunately i can't help at all with the ppa package, you need to go back to the official ubuntu package if you want support here
[19:58] <sidiling> just installed ubuntu but my samson usb mic has super low input
[19:58] <k1l> SebastianRasor01: why not use LUKS for full disk encryption? that is the standard
[19:59] <sidiling> i maxed the mic boosts to no avail
[19:59] <sidiling> anyone else run into this issue before?
[19:59] <saitoh183_> nacc: i can if that is what it takes...
[19:59] <SebastianRasor01> k1l, I'm new to Ubuntu, I'll look into it. Thanks!
[19:59] <k1l> SebastianRasor01: luks is what the installer can do automatically
[19:59] <GhostEcho> Hello All
[20:00] <SebastianRasor01> Is there a hidden OS option like in VeraCrypt? That's one of the reasons I use VeraCrypt.
[20:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> GhostEcho, hi
[20:01] <minimec> sidiling: Have you tried to search the net for your problem? Maybe also try if you can tune the settings with 'alsamixer' in a terminal.
[20:01] <saitoh183_> nacc: so here is a valid guide https://www.unixmen.com/how-to-install-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu-16-04/ ... you agree?
[20:02] <saitoh183_> just for the phpmyadmin portion
[20:03] <nacc> saitoh183_: that also has out of date pictures; i don't trust it.
[20:03] <GhostEcho> Guys Im new to Ubuntu.. is it safe to install Nixnote2 as when i download it Chrome throws security warnings.. apologies if these kind of question is not supported
[20:03] <saitoh183_> nacc: do you have it installed?
[20:04] <nacc> saitoh183_: do i have what installed?
[20:04] <saitoh183_> phpmyadmin
[20:04] <nacc> saitoh183_: yes, i have told you that 3 times now.
[20:05] <amsb> I've read some wikis but I still have a question about some I/O redirecting
[20:06] <saitoh183_> nacc: lol..sorry i though you just tested it really fast to see if it did install.. ok...so you have a phpmyadmin db in your mysql?
[20:07] <amsb> can someone give me a simplified explanation of what is happening here?: 2>&1
[20:07] <ducasse> amsb: you're still not on ubuntu...
[20:07] <amsb> *sigh*
[20:07] <k1l> amsb: ask in ##linux for general linux support if you dont use ubuntu
[20:07] <amsb> okay sorry
[20:08] <amsb> k1l: there's basically no one in there
[20:08] <nacc> saitoh183_: yes.
[20:09] <k1l> amsb: 2300 people are more than enough in ##linux
[20:09] <amsb> I have a separate, curious question that may be a stupid one
[20:10] <k1l> amsb: we played that game now often enough. you can ask in #ubuntu-ops to lift that mute if you use ubuntu one day and need support. thanks
[20:12] <saitoh183_> nacc: well that is what i dont have which is suppose to be created during the installation
[20:14] <saitoh183_> nacc: so i removed the third party ppa and did a pruge of phpmyadmin*, followed by a autoremove and autoclean
[20:15] <nacc> saitoh183_: ok
[20:20] <NomadJim> How can I install firefox 47.01 on ubuntu 14.04? I need it to work with selenium as firefox 47 doesn't seem to
[20:21] <k1l> !info firefox trusty
[20:22] <NomadJim> yeah I need 47.01
[20:23] <NomadJim> Do I just have to do it manually from https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/47.0.1/linux-x86_64/en-US/ ?
[20:25] <k1l> NomadJim: i dont know when the 0.1 will be packaged for the repos. maybe ask a question or file a bug on launchpad.
[20:25] <NomadJim> roger that
[20:32] <NomadJim> Is this the right channel to ask How can I make an alias to the firefox binary that's in a random folder in /usr/local/bin?
[20:33] <jatt> with ln
[20:33] <NomadJim> thx
[20:36] <OerHeks> NomadJim, 2016-06-30 firefox (47.0.1-1) unstable https://launchpad.net/debian/sid/+source/firefox ... and i see the mozilla-next team working on 48 already .. so i guess it will hit the updates soon
[20:37] <NomadJim> nice
[20:37] <NomadJim> I get spoiled by ubuntu doing everything automatically that I forget how to do it manually
[20:41] <wad> Any of you guys try running Windows in a VirtualBox under Ubuntu? I've enabled bi-directional clipboard sharing, but neither direction works.
[20:42] <administrateur> Hello Ubuntu user's :)
[20:42] <jatt> hello 😸
[20:42] <administrateur> :)
[20:43] <Jack__934> Hi!
[20:43] <administrateur> :)
[20:45] <administrateur> Soon Microsoft programs will be available on Linux?
[20:45] <tgm4883> administrateur: not a support question, you're looking for #ubuntu-discuss
[20:46] <Jack__934> Who developer on C?
[20:46] <administrateur> Okay :(
[20:47] <administrateur> Me before but it's been a year I have to touch the C
[20:47] <OerHeks> !ubuwin
[20:47] <administrateur> thanks ubottu
[20:47] <OerHeks> you are welcome in that dedicated support channel :-)
[20:48] <tgm4883> OerHeks: that's not at all what he was asking though
[20:48] <dax> #ubuntu-for-windows is for Ubuntu on Windows, not Microsoft products on Ubuntu.
[20:48] <forgx> Can you use ufw to allow only a domain? (for dynamic dns)
[20:48] <deepesh> Hi can anyone help me  installing java on ubuntu ...
[20:48] <forgx> deepesh: yep
[20:49] <bekks> !java | deepesh
[20:49] <k1l> deepesh: what java and what ubuntu exactly?
[20:50] <administrateur> how to help the staff of Wine ? Wine is dead in developement ?
[20:51] <dax> talk to #winehq about that
[20:51] <administrateur> okay
[20:51] <administrateur> thanks
[20:52] <deepesh> kll,  ubotttu .. i have followed these steps : https://www.unixmen.com/installing-java-jrejdk-ubuntu-16-04/
[20:53] <deepesh> but i think  there is some issue with  it
[20:54] <deepesh> coz when am trying to   source /etc/environment it says PATH: command not found
[20:54] <ash_workz> what do you call the key sequence using super (ie: super+c+= is €) ?
[20:55] <deepesh> forgx, bekks, ubottu,  any help ?
[20:55] <forgx> Yep
[20:55] <forgx> deepesh: Do you know if it's possible to set up ufw/iptables to allow a dynamic ip? (I already have a dynamic dns).
[20:56] <k1l> ash_workz: super is the key that is labeled with the windows logo on most pcs
[20:56] <ash_workz> erm
[20:56] <ash_workz> the right alt
[20:56] <beginner> bashing-om: so seems like it worked out... i gonna restart the pc... see you in a bit hoping in a good upgrade... for now thanks...
[20:56] <k1l> ash_workz: no
[20:56] <ash_workz> altGR I guess
[20:57] <Bashing-om> beginner: Outstanding .. remember .. 1st thing is to update/upgrade as soon as you are back up .
[20:57] <k1l> ash_workz: no. super is "super". or "windows key". or "apple key".
[20:57] <deepesh> forgx,  no i dont
[20:57] <ash_workz> sorry; forget I said super
[20:58] <deepesh> i think i have messed up something
[20:58] <ducasse> ash_workz: you are thinking of the 'compose key', i think.
[20:58] <ash_workz> ducasse: yes! thanks
[21:01] <jonky> hi
[21:01] <deepesh> forgx, can u pls guide me how can i get clean java installed
[21:01] <forgx> deepesh: Ubuntu version, java version.
[21:01] <jonky> under universal access, I enabled control cursor using the keypad. now I can't click on anything. i disabled it using the keyboard, but it's still not working.  im running 15.10
[21:02] <jonky> does anyone have a suggestion?
[21:02] <deepesh> forgx, btw this is what i have in my /etc/environment -
[21:02] <deepesh> https://www.unixmen.com/installing-java-jrejdk-ubuntu-16-04/
[21:02] <deepesh> sorry --
[21:02] <bekks> deepesh: Ubottu already told you.
[21:02] <jonky> actually im going to reboot then come ask for help
[21:07] <deepesh> forgx, ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[21:08] <forgx> deepesh: If the official ubuntu tutorial didn't work, try: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-java-on-ubuntu-with-apt-get
[21:08] <forgx> (Remove previous versions first)
[21:08] <deepesh> forgx, and this is my /etc/environment
[21:08] <deepesh> PATH ="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0_03/bin"
[21:08] <deepesh> JAVA_HOME ="/usr/lib/jvm/jdk<IP_ADDRESS>"
[21:08] <forgx> What error are you getting, again?
[21:09] <deepesh> coz when am trying to   source /etc/environment it says PATH: command not found
[21:09] <deepesh> forgx, how do i remove previous versions  ?
[21:10] <forgx> deepesh: sudo apt-get purge openjdk* java* oracle8*
[21:10] <forgx> And try to remove any changes to the /etc/enviroment you made.
[21:13] <almark> good evening is there a  way to fix the theme differences in 16.04 unity?
[21:14] <almark> scrollbar in firefox differs from thunderbird etc....
[21:14] <deepesh> forgx, the link u have shared again list so many java versions
[21:14] <deepesh> so i need to get all ofthem
[21:14] <forgx> deepesh: no, choose one.
[21:14] <k1l> almark: i guess its due to firefox using gtk3 now and thunderbird doesnt
[21:14] <deepesh> as in default one or oracle ..correct ?
[21:14] <forgx> deepesh: I recommend the openjdk ones.
[21:15] <almark> nautilus idem ditto
[21:15] <forgx> deepesh: openjdk is a open source alternative to the original oracle-jdk
[21:16] <deepesh> forgx, and what about  the default
[21:16] <forgx> deepesh: What do you mean with "the default"?
[21:16] <JanGo17> Best laptop to buy for linux ?
[21:17] <beginner> bashing-om: IT WORKED OOOOUUUUUT!!!!! THANKS BRO!!!!
[21:19] <beginner> bashing-om: thank you very much for your help!!! i gonna play a bit with the new futures!!! your tips are been more than helpful... thanks again... Bless!!
[21:23] <Bashing-om> beginner: Glad to henp .. and to be of help .
[21:31] <deepesh> forgx, by default i meant this : sudo apt-get install default-jre
[21:32] <forgx> deepesh: Yes, it's also a option.
[21:32] <forgx> But keep in mind
[21:32] <forgx> deepesh: if you are using 12.04, then you will get java 6, which is very old. I recommend installing openjdk.
[21:33] <deepesh> ok
[21:37] <paranoidabhi> hi
[21:37] <paranoidabhi> please suggest something for this http://askubuntu.com/questions/795169/kde-slow-boot-on-kubuntu-16-04
[21:38] <daum_> hi guys - i have 3 network cards that are all on different networks.  my em1 and em3 both have public internet.  I can ping out to any ip fine over em1, however over em3 i can only ping/ssh/curl other ips on the exact same network.  I can't get outside of it's own subnet of ips though as well nothing from outside can reach it on that interface unless it's on the same subnet..  Any idea what i'm doing wrong? here is an example of my setup:
[21:38] <daum_>  http://pastebin.com/m8skcvPc
[21:39] <davibc> oi
[21:40] <k1l> paranoidabhi: any reason to run a 4.7 kernel? that is not a standard ubuntu one
[21:41] <j625-x> i have an interesting problem, i have a 64-bit tablet computer - it has an external keyboard option, but i do not want to use the keyboard. I have it working pretty well without one - but the one challenge that I have is that I want full disk encryption for this device, but I would need a physical keyboard to unlock LUKS! I'm exploring strategies for not needing the keyboard, i can put the key on a USB without a passphrase (not cool).
[21:41] <j625-x> should i possibly look at some kind of chain booting setup?
[21:41] <Jordan_U> daum_: How do you want this to work? If a connection is initiated from this host to an internet addressible ip what interface do you want it to use?
[21:43] <Kirito> o.O where is mpv pulling youtube-dl from
[21:43] <Kirito> It's apparently not actually the youtube-dl package
[21:43] <k1l> paranoidabhi: and i would look out for an bios update for your laptop. there are some bugs in the bios, the syslog tells
[21:43] <deepesh> forgx,
[21:43] <forgx> yes?
[21:43] <deepesh> am getting the same error
[21:43] <Jordan_U> j625-x: You can have /boot/ be unencrypted and include enough in the initramfs to use an on screen keyboard (the former being easy, the latter likely nlt so much).
[21:44] <deepesh> JAVA_HOME command not found
[21:44] <daum_> for majority of the time em1
[21:44] <daum_> Jordan_U, if the connection starts on em3 it should start/finish on it
[21:45] <j625-x> Jordan_U: that would be IDEAL! But is there an on screen keyboard that doesn't require X?
[21:45] <Jordan_U> daum_: A connnection initiated from that host doesn't "start" from any interface though, which was why I asked.
[21:46]  * Kirito really wishes more motherboards would support FDE
[21:46] <Kirito> I have never actually come across a single laptop that actually supports it. </sigh>
[21:47] <daum_> Jordan_U, right for that i was just testing with pings/curls specifying the em3 interface
[21:47] <daum_> my main thing is for if an outside host connects over the ip that em3 is on, it should complete over that ip
[21:49] <daum_> right now it seems to work just fine if from one host on that subnet i do a curl --interface em3 yyy.yy.yyy.98/ready, but if i try it for example from my local computer it doesn't get any response
[21:49] <Kirito> and I am under the impression that Ubuntu's mpv package has youtube-dl statically built into it somehow o_O
[21:49] <Jordan_U> daum_: I've never dealt with a situation where there are essentially two "default" routes on one host before. Network namespaces might help.
[21:51] <daum_> Jordan_U, should the server at least respond to pings on it's em3 public ip?  just trying to decide if there is an issue with the network outside the server, or if this is more of a server setup itself
[21:51] <noobface> okay, im trying to make a bootable cd of ubuntu. The cd is burned but i can't figure out what additional software i need to get it running. Also my current OS seems to be having issues thus the reason why i can't do this on a usb (note- it is not possible to make a bootable usb at the moment)
[21:52] <Ben64> noobface: you boot off the cd if you burned it properly
[21:53] <Jordan_U> Kirito: 1: Statically including libraries is against Debian/Ubuntu packaging guidelines and 2: youtube-dl is a terminal based app, not a library 3: Is written in python and 4: is packaged in the youtube-dl package. So I find that unlikely.
[21:53] <Ben64> noobface: although i'm curious as to which iso you used, since ubuntu hasnt fit on a cd for a while now
[21:53] <daum_> i'm leaning towards there is someting going on with the network itself, as they can ping/curl themselves over the interfaces and get a response, but anything else can't get tem
[21:54] <Kirito> Jordan_U, wrong terminology but it's definitely pulling ytdl from somewhere else.
[21:55] <daum_> Jordan_U, but that may be due to the fact they are on the same network and not tehn trying to use the default gateway which is on the other nic
[22:00] <noobface> ben64 sorry for delay. I didn't know you need a particular type. Which one will work and can you update the OS once you install it?
[22:01] <Ben64> noobface: how about you explain more of what you did
[22:04] <noobface> ok, downloaded ubuntu -16.04-desktop-amd64.iso.part, and burned it to the cd with Brasero Disc Burner. The prompt didn't give an option to make it bootable and when i took it back out and inserted again then the file manager prompt came up with the ubuntu folder on the cd but when i tried to open it it said something had to be on there to install.
[22:04] <noobface> or actually to be opened
[22:05] <Ben64> .part ?
[22:05] <SpeccyMan> the clue is in the filename, .part means it is incomplete!
[22:06] <noobface> correct..
[22:06] <noobface> oh i see. oh sec while i redownload
[22:06] <noobface> actually before i do is there a version you'd recommend for cd install
[22:06] <Ben64> well it isn't going to fit on a cd
[22:08] <noobface> okay well my problem with the usb is that i can't seem to get rufus (to actually install) to install or run and i keep running into this problem
[22:09] <noobface> thats why i thought cd would be easier
[22:09] <tgm4883> rufus?
[22:09] <Bashing-om> noobface: There is a minimal install that will fit on a CD .. that, however, is not for the faint-at-heart .
[22:09] <tgm4883> noobface: why are you trying to use rufus on linux? Or are you using Brasero on windows?
[22:09] <Ben64> tgm4883: windows software to put isos on usb
[22:09] <noobface> yes tgm4883
[22:10] <Ben64> oh wait i missed the brasero bit earlier
[22:10] <tgm4883> noobface: you're using brasero on windows?
[22:10] <YankDownUnder> If "Rufus" is causing issues, there is "WinUSB" that lives in the Ubuntu repo's that can be used to create Windows bootable USB drives - and as well,  USB's should be properly formatted and partitioned prior to use (they do get corrupt, ya know)
[22:10] <noobface> no im on ubuntu right now
[22:10] <noobface> im trying to install to my other desktop
[22:10] <tgm4883> noobface: if you are on ubuntu, then you should use the built in usb creator
[22:10] <Ben64> or dd
[22:10] <tgm4883> rufus is recommended for windows users
[22:11] <noobface> oh i see the problem. Well my other computer came with windows 10 on it
[22:12] <noobface> also not that that computer doesn't have an OS at all and it currently stuck in a loop of .. search for os, no os loop back
[22:12] <Ben64> rufus is windows software for running on windows. since you're trying to make the bootable usb on linux, you wouldn't use windows software to do it
[22:12] <YankDownUnder> "WinUSB" runs natively on Ubuntu.
[22:14] <noobface> I can't find winusb on the command line I just did: sudo apt install "WinUSB says- unable to locate package then I did: sudo apt search WinUSB .. it just says sorting...full text search.. done
[22:15] <YankDownUnder> http://www.webupd8.org/2016/06/make-bootable-windows-10-usb-install.html
[22:15] <Ben64> it's called "winusb"
[22:15] <YankDownUnder> Have to add the PPA and it's yours.
[22:15] <Ben64> no
[22:15] <Ben64> no ppa, and winusb isn't even what you want
[22:15] <Ben64> use the usb creator
[22:16] <Ben64> or dd
[22:16] <noobface> i thought winusb WAS the usb creator
[22:16] <Ben64> winusb is for making windows bootable usb's, you said you're trying to put ubuntu on a usb
[22:18] <noobface> thats right
[22:20] <noobface> ok, what software do i need to download Ben64 to make my usb bootable
[22:21] <Ben64> usb-creator-gtk
[22:22] <noobface> aha! got it up there :) thank ben64
[22:36] <Kirito> Has anyone here by chance used the Liquorix with current Ubuntu?
[22:37] <Jack__934> Hello! :)
[22:38] <DMA> Hello. My aunt's got an old laptop with 12.04 and updated it to 12.04.5 but her WiFi stopped working (chipset is Ralink RT3290). Seems like the driver needs to be compiled, but I'm thinking on upgrading it to 16.04. What would be the best way? do-release-upgrade gives me a 404 error as well as the software updater (which I guess calls do-release-upgrade)
[22:38] <Ben64> DMA: what is the exact error
[22:39] <DMA> Ben64: do-release-upgrade fails when getting a signature, quantal.tar.gz.gpg
[22:39] <Ben64> change the upgrade setting to LTS only
[22:43] <DMA> same thing
[22:45] <noobface> Okay Ben64, i just put the usb into my other computer for install and the usb was recognize, the first screen popped us for*Install Ubuntu, OEM, or set up but it only stays there just a minute and then shuts off. i press the power button and it doesnt respond. i even unplagged everything and held the power button for 30 seconds and repluged and it powered on again but then it would just repreat the loop
[22:47] <noobface> i just did it again and the second i do install ubuntu, enter it powers off, any suggestions?
[22:50] <DMA> Ben64: rebooting made the update to 12.10 button change to 14.04 and looks like it's working
[22:51] <fuwindoof> #ubuntu-de
[22:51] <fuwindoof> wanna change to german server
[22:52] <YankDownUnder> fuwindoof: Use: "/join #ubuntu-de"
[22:52] <Jordan_U> DMA: It might still end up being easier to re-install (preserving /home/). Is all of her important data backed up?
[22:53] <gbaker_> Good afternoon everyone.
[22:54] <DMA> Jordan_U: dunno. She bought it and learned to use it, I have barely touched it, except now that her wifi is not working
[22:55] <x23> hi
[22:55] <Bassem> how to keep num lock on while ubuntu loading?
[22:55] <hellcook_> Hi
[22:55] <x23> i'm using retroarch in ubuntu 16.04, but the option down or top in my josting don't work
[22:56] <YankDownUnder> Bassem: Do you have the option in your BIOS to have "NUMLOCK" on? Because that's the easiest way...
[22:56] <gbaker_> Bassem I had that issue before but I found it in the BIOS
[22:56] <gbaker_> lol
[22:56] <Bassem> YankDownUnder, yes it's on
[22:57] <hellcook_> Has anyone tried the Dell xps13 developer 2016 edition? I have seen some bad feedback on the Web. What's your experience ?
[22:57] <Bassem> YankDownUnder, ubuntu turn it off
[22:57] <Jordan_U> DMA: Make sure that she does. Most people don't keep backups, and all too often there is a disaster (hardware failure, fire, mistake) that ends up losing a lot of data, when such a loss is easily preventible.
[22:57] <YankDownUnder> Bassem: Did you choose the proper keyboard layout when you installed? That might be an issue...
[22:57] <noobface> (ill repaste this because I don't think Ben64 is with us anymore) i just put the usb into my other computer for install and the usb was recognize, the first screen popped us for*Install Ubuntu, OEM, or set up but it only stays there just a minute and then shuts off. i press the power button and it doesnt respond. i even unplagged everything and held the power button for 30 seconds and repluged and it powered on again but then it
[22:57] <noobface> would just repreat the loop
[22:57] <Bassem> YankDownUnder, yes i did
[22:58] <YankDownUnder> Bassem: Worth a read: http://askubuntu.com/questions/155679/how-to-enable-numlock-at-boot-time-for-login-screen
[22:59] <gbaker_> I keep 2 backups, I use one of the hard drives in my laptop just as a backup, and I also keep an external.
[23:01] <noobface> oh wait nevermind i just had to get to safe mode
[23:02] <Bassem> how to move the unity bar to bottom...do i need unity tweak
[23:04] <YankDownUnder> Bassem: The dock?
[23:05] <YankDownUnder> Bassem: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/03/ubuntu-16-04-move-unity-launcher-to-bottom/
[23:07] <Bassem> what is the difference between Winetricks and Configure Wine
[23:08] <YankDownUnder> Bassem: "Configure WINE" is for the actual configuration of WINE, whereas "WINE Tricks" adds some "bits and bobs" to further and tweak the functionality of WINE. Does that make sense?
[23:09] <Bassem> YankDownUnder, how can i get wine
[23:09] <YankDownUnder> Bassem: "sudo apt-get install wine"
[23:09] <Bassem> YankDownUnder, i want to know what aplication can wine run first
[23:10] <nacc> Bassem: you're really jumping around on questions
[23:10] <YankDownUnder> Bassem: WINE can run, well, heaps of things...and in most installations, there are a few "Windows" apps that are added in the installation (like Notepad)
[23:10] <Bassem> nacc, im new to ubuntu
[23:10] <nacc> Bassem: why do you need wine?
[23:11] <Bassem> nacc, to run some games
[23:11] <Bassem> nacc, i want to check if wine can run certain game
[23:11] <YankDownUnder> Bassem: https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
[23:11] <Ben64> !appdb | Bassem
[23:11] <gbaker_> https://appdb.winehq.org/
[23:16] <gbaker_> Bassem: you can also check out PlayOnLinux, it's basically a front end for wine and has scripts for installing some apps a bit easier.  https://www.playonlinux.com/en/
[23:16] <AndChat|180336> Just a test, don't mind this message, sorry
[23:16] <Bassem> gbaker_, thanks alot
[23:17] <gbaker_> What game are you trying to install?\
[23:17] <Bassem> gbaker_, starcraft
[23:18] <gbaker_> Yeah that will run, the only Blizz game that doesn't work quite yet is Overwatch
[23:18] <hellcook_> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=149
[23:24] <gbaker_> It's back to quiet again :)
[23:25] <YankDownUnder> Quiet is a good thing.
[23:27] <Bassem> gbaker_, do i need playonlinux or wine is enough
[23:28] <YankDownUnder> Bassem: If you want to "keep it simple", just install "PlayonLinux" and you're done, hmm?
[23:28] <gbaker_> PlayOnLinux would be your best bet
[23:28] <Bassem> gbaker_, ok
[23:28] <Bassem> gbaker_, is it free?
[23:28] <gbaker_> It will set everything up.
[23:29] <gbaker_> yes it's free
[23:30] <noobface> hey, so im installing ubuntu 16.04 from a usb and i want to know how much swap area i should leave if i have 16004 space available
[23:30] <noobface> 16004 MB btw
[23:31] <cheche> noobface: how much ram do you have on your system?
[23:31] <noobface> 8gb
[23:31] <cheche> I am unable to execute terminal from dash on ubuntu 16.04
[23:31] <aitlkaid> hi
[23:32] <cheche> noobface: the 16Gb are ssd drive right?
[23:32] <Bassem> gbaker_, Ubuntu Precise (and superior) users : You must install the package wine:i386 to get PlayOnLinux working is that me?
[23:32] <noobface> yes
[23:33] <noobface> but it says i have only 16004 mb of free space left after the /dev/sda
[23:33] <setuid> Ok, this is an odd one... I ssh from A -> B, keys are set up, not prompted for auth. Perfect. I then ssh from B -> C, and am prompted for a password. (keys from B->C are set up, I should NOT be prompted).
[23:33] <gbaker_> Yes, but it should just install it as a dependency
[23:34] <noobface> BUT the /dev/sda/ doesn't show size
[23:34] <setuid> But... If I open another terminal, ssh from A -> B, then B -> C, I am NOT prompted, and can ssh right into C without auth from B.
[23:34] <setuid> But ONLY when I have done an initial ssh in that first session, and keep the shell open to C
[23:34] <setuid> ssh-agent is not used anywhere here, and should not be
[23:34] <Bassem> gbaker_, there's 3 options For the Trusty version For the Saucy version For the Precise version which is mine?
[23:34] <setuid> So why does A->B->C work the second time, but not the first, if the keys are set up the same across all three hosts?
[23:35] <Bassem> gbaker_, im on this page if you can guide me https://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html
[23:35] <precise> So I have a directory of files that are arbitrarily named ebooks, using the file util, I can get the majority of their titles from Meta data. I would like to bulk rename the files based on said Meta data. Here is my script along with my output and 2 stack excange posts that I referred to: http://pastebin.com/fW9b4zYV
[23:35] <DMA> setuid: check the security log on B and C to see what's different the second time you SSH A->B->C
[23:36] <precise> Obviously the output is not what I am looking for, hence the echo control.
[23:36] <gbaker_> You shouldn't need to download from site, use the package manager
[23:36] <Bassem> gbaker_, how?
[23:37] <cheche> noobface: normaly the sugessted swap size is double RAM size.
[23:37] <precise> ignore line 3, snuck in there on accident
[23:37] <setuid> DMA, Nothing different
[23:37] <noobface> then that's be the whole things
[23:37] <setuid> DMA, But if the keys are set up right (they are), then auth should work every time, not only the 2nd to nth time
[23:38] <gbaker_> just open a terminal and paste this     sudo apt-get install playonlinux
[23:38] <DMA> setuid: just a theory: perhaps there are some weird configs in sshd_config
[23:38] <Bassem> gbaker_, is apt-get working in ubuntu 16 or apt only
[23:38] <precise> both
[23:38] <DMA> setuid: the log you checked was /var/log/sshd or which one?
[23:39] <gbaker_> both
[23:39] <setuid> The first login prompts for auth, but as long as I keep that session open, the other ssh's into C are unprompted
[23:39] <precise> So any ideas for my renaming BASH script?
[23:39] <setuid> DMA, /var/log/auth shows nothing obvious, keys are found, etc.
[23:40] <DMA> setuid: Looks like there's another kind of agent doing the auth, that's why I think there might be another uncommon configuration elsewhere
[23:41] <DMA> Perhaps a Host or User section in sshd_config?
[23:41] <setuid> DMA, no agents doing auth that I know of, other than pam
[23:42] <b-yeezi> Hi all,
[23:42] <gbaker_> Hey
[23:43] <b-yeezi> Anyone else have an issue with slow opening apps in 16.04?
[23:43] <Bassem> gbaker_, should i add 32 bit  libraries?
[23:43] <gbaker_> Yeah, might as well :)
[23:44] <precise> I hate to be pushy, I just don't want my issue to get buried in the wall of text. Any ideas on my script? When I use the file util it gives in quotes the title, so I want to select said quoted area, strip the quotes and rename the arbitrarily named file to the grepped text. Why isn't it doing so?
[23:44] <Bassem> gbaker_, with that command sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[23:44] <gbaker_> Sorry nothing is slow on my laptop. It's so quick I even make myself jealous
[23:45] <b-yeezi> I have 2 pcs with m2 sata ssds, one with i7 and one with i5
[23:45] <gbaker_> Bassem I believe that is correct
[23:45] <Bassem> gbaker_, on more thing the sound notification is missing in hexchat what can i do?
[23:45] <b-yeezi> my i7 opens apps using a single thread instead of using all available 8
[23:46] <minimec> !next
[23:46] <gbaker_> Hmmm, never checked for sound notifications
[23:46] <allen___> Sorry about non-Ubuntu question but does anyone know a good distro which can live on a USB, load into RAM, and save files and settings onto the USB. A persistent USB distro like how Dream Linux used to be?
[23:46] <BootHelp> how can i create a custom UEFI boot entry in NVRAM table. "efibootmgr --create"? how do i pass the efi file i want to boot? and not the default elilo.efi
[23:47] <DMA> precise: you might ask in #sed or in #bash
[23:47] <allen___> live on a USB flash drive I mean
[23:47] <precise> Thanks for the tip DMA, heading there now.
[23:48] <precise> allen___: ubuntu should be able to do that. On Windows look up YUMI USB creator, on Linux look up unetbootin. Check for persistence options.
[23:48] <allen___> oh cool, thanks
[23:49] <DMA> precise: and that ".*" regex will match a plain pair of double-quotes; after stripping them you'll end up with a zero-lenth string filename
[23:50] <DMA> precise: second, if you got a file named "part1"-then-"part2" you'll get TWO results from grep (in two different lines) and that'll probably be a problem
[23:50] <cheche> How can I find where dash search find the applications? I am unable to find any.
[23:50] <DMA> Or maybe not, but you might end up with a two-line-filename file
[23:50] <minimec> allen___: I even use a standard ubuntu and fedora installation on a USB3 stick. I mount the /tmp directory into ram via /etc/fstab @boot. Working quiet well...
[23:50] <mutante> cheche: maybe the "which" command helps here
[23:51] <DMA> cheche: try which your-app-name
[23:51] <DMA> I know there are better alternatives in BASH but as you're talking about DASH...
[23:51] <cheche> sorry I am taling about the unity stuff.
[23:53] <allen___> awesome minimec, I might try that. Though if there's a distro specifically made for persistent USB installs (like Dream Linux used to be) I'd try that first, because they made sure to minimize writes to the flash drive to reduce wear. I think most things were kept in RAM until shutdown, then saved to disk
[23:53] <cheche> you click on the windows symbol on your keyboard. screen gets darked and you are able to type to search for your documents music and applications.
[23:53] <setuid> DMA, /etc/ssh/sshd_config is IDENTICAL on both hosts, byte-for-byte
[23:54] <cheche> I thought that it was called dash search.
[23:55] <minimec> allen___: You probably get the most write cicles in /tmp and in the browser cache folder. These are the two I mount into ram. And... this story about USB sticks wearing out is getting 'old' with SSD technology now 'imho'
[23:56] <allen___> yeah I know, there's different opinions on that
[23:56] <allen___> anyway thanks, I'll look into that :)
[23:56] <DMA> setuid: uhm... I just can think of increasing sshd's verbosity (if possible) and checking again the logs from A->B until B->C. If you got a different behaviour the first and second time, there's gotta be a clue somehere on why
[23:59] <Bassem> sound notification is missing in hexchat what can i do?


[00:08] <wgrant> savvas: Ubuntu packages will never disappear.
[00:09] <wgrant> savvas: And in general, if something's on the Internet for more than a day or two, it can never be got rid of.
[00:13] <savvas> wgrant: hm? :)
[00:13] <savvas> ah ok
[00:13] <savvas> noted!
[00:15] <savvas> I finally said to them that it will just "fade away", since their name wasn't in newer package releases as far as I've understood
[01:36] <Laney> What does "  Build for superseded Source" mean?
[01:37] <Ampelbein> Laney: What package? This could mean you have a build-depend on libfoo-dev (<=0.10) but libfoo-dev 0.11 is now in the archive thus superseeding your build-dep)
[01:38] <Laney> Ampelbein: Asterisk
[01:38] <Laney> it's on the build status page for old releases
[01:38] <Laney> package releases, that is
[01:38] <Laney> Ampelbein: See https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/asterisk/1:<IP_ADDRESS>~dfsg-2ubuntu2 for an example
[01:47] <Ampelbein> Laney: hmm. seems that the build finished when next version was already uploaded. perhaps the lpia builds were stalled and when the package finally got built, -3ubuntu1 was already uploaded?
[02:03] <wgrant> Laney: It means that the build wasn't started before its source was superseded.
[02:03] <wgrant> Laney: So either the buildds were behind, or a new source was uploaded very soon after the first one.
[02:04] <Laney> wgrant: There is a gap of about 2 months between one of the uploads where it says this
[02:07] <wgrant> Laney: Possibly it FTBFS, and there was a give back.
[02:08] <wgrant> Or the build was doing Bad Things, and somebody killed the build manually.
[02:08] <Laney> it definitely ftbfs
[02:08] <Laney> But several uploads in a row for asterisk lpia say this, just made me curious
[02:08] <wgrant> Laney: That could be it, then - if there was a mass give-back, there would have been a window of a few days where a new upload would have caused that.
[02:09]  * wgrant looks at these builds.
[02:10] <wgrant> That build was queued on 2008-12-22, which was the day a new upload occurred. So that's reasonable.
[11:06] <savvas> does the launchpad name (not username, name) have to match the gpg key name when uploading a package to a PPA?
[11:07] <hyperair> no.
[11:07] <hyperair> as long as you've registered your key in launchpad
[11:07] <hyperair> it'll match by the hash string
[11:07] <savvas> ah cool :P
[11:16] <stefanlsd> Is it possible to delete a ppa?  (not package ,but archive)
[11:17] <hyperair> stefanlsd: i believe it is, but i haven't tried.
[11:18] <stefanlsd> hyperair: i cant find a delete button...
[11:18] <hyperair> hmm
[11:19] <LarstiQ> stefanlsd: I think that amounts to filing a question on the launchpad product
[11:20] <hyperair> ah
[11:22] <stefanlsd> seems silly that you cant do it yourself?
[11:39] <savvas> why would you open a ppa and then close it? I think it's to track down when and where it happened :)
[11:40] <savvas> so people who were using it, don't come asking "where did that ppa go?" hehe
[11:42] <stefanlsd> savvas: mm. in this case i thought i would prefer a different short name.  not the end of the world tho
[11:43] <LarstiQ> stefanlsd: shouldn't that be easy to change without having to delete it?
[11:44] <savvas> I think the first ppa is always "ppa"
[11:46] <stefanlsd> LarstiQ: seems like you can change the name that is displayed, but cant change where directory on disk.  ie.   +archive/name
[11:46] <LarstiQ> stefanlsd: which makes sense, otherwise apt would break
[11:49] <hyperair> savvas: no i think that back when you could only have one ppa per person/team, it didn't have names, and this got transitioned as a ppa named "ppa".
[11:53] <savvas> hyperair: just checking it out on staging.launchpad.net with a newly created team, for the first ppa you can just enter the display name :)
[11:53] <hyperair> =)
[11:54] <savvas> the second one however, you can name it hyperair-goodies :P
[11:55] <hyperair> heh i see
[13:16] <MagicFab> Is anyone getting timeouts on launchpad.net ? THere's no mention of downtime at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-announce/2009-April/thread.html
[14:27] <thewrath> hey anyone awake yet?
[14:27] <thewrath> i have a question with bzr and launchpad
[14:28] <thewrath> when i select when i commit it is for certain bugs and it says 'tag:id' i am confused on what i am suppoesd to enter there
[16:04] <savvas> does anyone know how to use the email interface of launchpad? can I do that through gmail?
[16:04] <savvas> e.g. I've sent a message to bug 286529 "milestone 0.3.0" and it just sent it as a comment
[16:24] <savvas> ah ok, got it, <space>command
[16:54] <seiflotfy1> hi guys
[16:54] <seiflotfy1> i am behind a proxy
[16:54] <seiflotfy1> how can i push and pull from behind a proxy
[16:55] <LarstiQ> what kind of proxy? what are your difficulties?
[16:56] <seiflotfy1> i need to set up a http https and ftp rpoxy to browse
[16:56] <seiflotfy1> the internet
[16:57] <seiflotfy1> however they r not used by bzr
[16:58] <LarstiQ> seiflotfy1: bzr respects the 'http_proxy' environment variable.
[16:59] <seiflotfy1> so if i set it in the shell it is supposed ot espect it
[16:59] <seiflotfy1> ?
[16:59] <seiflotfy1> i already set it in my environemnt
[17:00] <seiflotfy1> it does not
[17:00] <LarstiQ> seiflotfy1: how did you set it?
[17:01] <seiflotfy1> via  System -> Preferences -> Network Proxy
[17:01] <LarstiQ> so what is the value of the http_proxy variable?
[17:02] <seiflotfy1> proxy.tu-darmstadt.de:80
[17:02] <LarstiQ> seiflotfy1: prefix that with http://
[17:02] <seiflotfy1> it works for everything else though
[17:03] <seiflotfy1> it wont allow me to do that in the netwrok proxy
[17:04] <seiflotfy1> export http_proxy=http://proxy.tu-darmstadt.de:80
[17:04] <seiflotfy1> seif@Schroeder:~/Projects/gnome-zeitgeist$ bzr pull
[17:04] <seiflotfy1> Using saved parent location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gnome-zeitgeist/gnome-zeitgeist/gnome-zeitgeist/
[17:04] <seiflotfy1> /      0kB @    0kB/s
[17:04] <seiflotfy1> doens not do anything
[17:07] <LarstiQ> seiflotfy1: you're using bzr+ssh there, that won't go through an http proxy
[17:08] <seiflotfy1> how do i change it
[17:08]  * LarstiQ wouldn't
[17:08] <seiflotfy1> huh?
[17:08] <LarstiQ> seiflotfy1: can you ssh out at all?
[17:08] <LarstiQ> seiflotfy1: blocking port 22 would be very evil
[17:08] <seiflotfy1> nope
[17:08] <seiflotfy1> cant ssh
[17:08] <seiflotfy1> :(
[17:08] <LarstiQ> ...
[17:09] <hyperair> use tsocks.
[17:09] <seiflotfy1> huh?
[17:09] <hyperair> dpkg-divert /usr/bin/ssh
[17:09] <hyperair> cat > /usr/bin/ssh <<EOF
[17:09] <hyperair> #!/bin/sh
[17:09] <hyperair> tsocks /usr/bin/ssh.dist
[17:10] <hyperair> whoops
[17:10] <hyperair> i meant tsocks /usr/bin/ssh.dist "$@"
[17:10] <hyperair> actually i'm not sure how to use tsocks
[17:11] <hyperair> hmm
[17:11] <spiv> seiflotfy1: you can pull from bazaar.launchpad.net via http, just replace "bzr+ssh" with "http" in the URL
[17:11] <spiv> seiflotfy1: you can't push to it via http, though.
[17:12]  * spiv goes to bed
[17:12] <hyperair> make noise regarding port 22
[17:12] <hyperair> that's what some ubuntu-my member did in his uni
[17:38] <cl2> hi, can anybody tell me how i add release tarbars to a release series?
[17:39] <cl2> under "Seriers trunk" i see a "Releases" table header, but i can't see an option to add releases there
[17:41] <beuno> cl2, you have to create a milestone first
[17:41] <beuno> that's being fixed very very soon
[17:41] <beuno> but that's the way to do it the next few weeks
[17:42] <cl2> beuno: ah ok, thanks! :-)
[19:41] <Hohoo> Hello
[19:42] <jimi_hendrix> is launchpad down again
[19:42] <Hohoo> Yes.
[19:42] <intellectronica> really?!
[19:43] <Hohoo> And apparently Openshot video editor has no other place to get the source.
[19:43] <intellectronica> jimi_hendrix, Hohoo: works fine for me. what's the problem?
[19:44] <jimi_hendrix> heh up now
[19:44] <jimi_hendrix> i went to a page earlier and it didnt load
[19:44] <jimi_hendrix> a refresh a few seconds ago didnt fix it
[19:44] <intellectronica> jimi_hendrix: what do you mean by "didn't load"?
[19:44] <jimi_hendrix> 'We are sorry, we are having an issue' message or whatever it says
[19:45] <Hohoo> Any Launchpad admins here?
[19:45] <intellectronica> jimi_hendrix: URL?
[19:46] <jimi_hendrix> intellectronica, it works now
[19:46] <intellectronica> Hohoo: i think spm is the next one and he won't be up for a bit
[19:46] <intellectronica> jimi_hendrix: i know, but i still would like to know what is the URL that didn't work
[19:49] <Hohoo> Hey, has anybody got a copy of the Openshot video editor sources?
[19:49] <jimi_hendrix> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jimi-hendrix/comserv/main/files
[19:49] <jimi_hendrix> ^^ still wont work
[19:50] <intellectronica> jimi_hendrix: ah, the source viewer never works very well. this is not uncommon. we're working on it
[19:51] <jimi_hendrix> ok
[19:51] <intellectronica> kiko!
[19:59] <Hohoo> Is there any alternative to the source viewer?
[20:02] <Hohoo> It works now.
[20:04] <LarstiQ> Hohoo: you don't need the source viewer to branch the code
[20:05] <Hohoo> I'm not familiar with Bazaar.
[20:06] <LarstiQ> Hohoo: what do you want to do with the code?
[20:07] <Hohoo> I want to get the source. I think I got it, but why on Earth did they choose "branch"?
[20:09] <intellectronica> Hohoo: you don't need to use the viewer to get the source. you want to use bzr
[20:09] <mdke> Hohoo: trees have them
[20:09] <intellectronica> Hohoo: and 'branch' is pretty standard terminology in version control systems, especially distributed ones
[20:13] <LarstiQ> right


[00:01] <kwwii> lol, he lasted 9 minutes before he gave up
[00:01] <kwwii> nice
[00:41] <dashua> _MMA_: Got the Menu Bar to my liking, darker, not as bright and obtrusive.
[00:41] <dashua> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_9.png
[00:42] <dashua> Just testing different glazestyles on it.
[00:43] <_MMA_> dashua: Ahh... Cool. Seems better.
[00:48] <dashua> Yeah, the other was a bit too bright.
[00:49] <dashua> This fixes the highlight over the GNOME clock.  Was silver before.
[01:26] <Cimi> jawn
[02:18] <_MMA_> I'm gonna be out of channel from now through tomorrow. Gonna spend more time with Gabe (my son) and take care of some things around the house. I'll be on Freenode or you can email if it's important. (I'll attend to anything on the list)
[08:10] <savvas> is it just me or do drop-down boxes appear pitch black in dust?
[08:10] <savvas> (the text too)
[08:38] <savvas> I think I need dustfox enabled :\
[11:56] <dashua> Wow! Nice new gdm.
[17:16]  * tretle groans at the new gdm in jaunty :(
[17:18] <tretle> panel at the bottom looks like vista or windows 7 and the 3d ubuntu logo looks dated, even worse is the fact its placed in the bottom right corner with everything else black giving it the feeling that its going to keel over :(
[17:18] <tretle> no symmetry to it :(
[17:30] <thorwil> got a screenshot?
[18:22] <savvas> thorwil: I think this is dust-theme related, I got a black background with black text colour in drop down list boxes: http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs536&d=09092&f=black-drop-down-box-list618.png
[18:23] <thorwil> savvas: i meant a screenshot of the new gdm ;)
[18:24] <thorwil> nothing i can do or say regarding issues with dust
[18:26] <savvas> darn
[20:03] <tretle> thorwil - http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=104500&d=1235482870
[20:03] <thorwil> tretle: thanks
[20:03] <tretle> soz for the late reply, had to at lots of pancakes
[20:04] <tretle> :)
[20:04] <tretle> so far my favorite artwork for the gdm and wallpaper was for the hardy release
[20:05] <thorwil> tretle: i have the suspicion mr. shuttleworth is a sucker for lighting from below. orangish, preferable
[20:05] <thorwil> it's in the human folder, was in the briefing for the entirely new theme for hardy that didn't happen
[20:05] <thorwil> and here we have it again
[20:05] <tretle> the start page for google was also allot nicer than intrepid
[20:06] <tretle> but the gdm panel at the bottom looks like the windows 7 one
[20:07] <tretle> I'm hoping the new gdm lands in time and the greeter rewrite gets done so macslows clutter gdm can replace this
[20:07] <thorwil> can't let them have a monopol on glassy transparency ;)
[20:07] <thorwil> tretle: won't happen for jaunty
[20:07] <tretle> I know
[20:07] <tretle> karmic though
[20:08] <tretle> dont like that 3d ubuntu logo
[20:08] <thorwil> wouldn't hold my breath for it
[20:09] <thorwil> tretle: i withhold judgement until i see it on my own screen ... allthough it looks cheap on that shot
[20:10] <tretle> omg........ I was wondering what the 3d logo reminded me of
[20:10] <tretle> the gentoo logo
[20:10] <tretle> just as cheap looking
[20:10] <tretle> :D
[20:11]  * tretle is going to be pissed if the new ubuntu icon theme is based off oxegen
[20:12]  * thorwil had 3 glasses of wine and now works with alcohol-based markers ... oh oh
[20:13] <tretle> lol


[10:53] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4418 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[10:53] <CIA-28> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: apt-setup
[10:53] <CIA-28> ubiquity: 1:0.45ubuntu4, choose-mirror 2.33ubuntu3.
[11:02] <CIA-28> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4419 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/plugininstall.py):
[11:02] <CIA-28> ubiquity: Log which package (albeit only the first one) caused us to declare
[11:02] <CIA-28> ubiquity: language support incomplete.
[11:03] <CIA-28> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4420 ubiquity/scripts/plugininstall.py: say you're happy now, once more with syntax
[18:09] <CIA-28> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4421 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-language.py):
[18:09] <CIA-28> ubiquity: Initialise release_notes_found in KDE prepare plugin, so that it doesn't
[18:09] <CIA-28> ubiquity: break in oem-config mode (LP: #656983).
[19:55] <soren> Slightly on the edge of the channel's topic, but I'm curious if you're aware that installs to XFS filesystems is horrendously slow? dpkg unpack takes /ages/.


[10:11] <idmbe> hello
[18:35] <ItzSwirlz> Hi IRC Team! I just setup #ubuntucinnamon and #ubuntucinnamon-dev for Ubuntu Cinnamon on IRC. I've read Wiki pages and registered the channels to myself, is there anything else I can do to start the process of making it an official channel (adding ubottu/making it logged, etc.)?
[21:50] <Unit193> ItzSwirlz: To be in the namespace, you really want #ubuntu-cinnamon and likely to follow suit (findability, etc) with others #ubuntu-cinnamon-devel might make sense.  For the logging, you'll have to send a message to Canonical rt, but I can handle ubottu.
[22:51] <Eickmeyer> Unit193: I disagree on behalf of #ubuntustudio.
[22:51] <Eickmeyer> Also, the name of the .iso is ubuntucinnamon.
[22:52] <Unit193> "Follow suit" was -dev vs -devel. "to be in the namespace" is also valid.
[22:52] <Eickmeyer> So, it really doesn't matter. ItzSwirlz has already said he wants it to be one word.
[22:52] <Unit193> Ah, OK.  Well, then we'll just have to adjust the namespace.
[22:52] <Eickmeyer> Yes, I agree on -devel
[22:53] <Eickmeyer> #ubuntustudio should already be in the namespace.
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> If it's not, that's an oversight.
[22:54] <Unit193> But the channel we're talking about here is cinnamon, which isn't presently.
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> Right.
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> I'm just saying that the separation of words shouldn't be a factor.
[22:54] <Unit193> ItzSwirlz: Sounds like you strongly prefer single word, so that's fine.  I'd strongly recommend -devel over -dev, but that's up to you.
[22:55] <Unit193> Eickmeyer: But it is, soo..
[22:55] <Eickmeyer> If it were, then we need to close #ubuntustudio and I will be very, very unhappy there.
[22:55] <Eickmeyer> Just for the sake of uniformity.
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> I'm also on the Ubuntu Cinnamon team, so that's part of why I'm chiming in.


[07:13] <Icept> well, in theory, windows was never broken per se
[07:14] <Icept> it was just unaccessible due to hardware/software settings
[07:16] <hawksmoor> all right, it seems that my problem is bug n.1291... now how do I know if it is fixed, or under testing?
[07:21] <Kamion> Icept: "break" is shorthand :)
[07:21] <Icept> :D
[07:26] <punkass> if i enter iwconfig wlan0 essid <someid>  and   iwconfig wlan0 key restricted <somekey> and  then do a iwconfig the values are not set....where should i look?
[07:26] <hawksmoor> wife calling for dinner, see ya soon, and many many thanks, yuo're all very kind with newbies lile me .-)
[07:31] <Keybuk> punkass: try setting the key before setting the essdid?
[07:32] <Keybuk> in the time it takes you to type the key, the card might've tried the essid and abandoned it as a lost cause
[07:32] <punkass> well neither is being set
[07:32] <punkass> ah
[07:33] <ish> Can I get gnome to run xrdb over my .Xdefaults file on login?
[07:34] <daniels> i think it uses .Xdefaults anyway
[07:34] <daniels> if not, just use .Xresources :)
[07:38] <punkass> Keybuk: so the key does get set, but not the essid
[07:39] <Keybuk> punkass: iwconfig doesn't quite "set" things, like ifconfig does ... it more "hints" to the card what it might want to try next
[07:39] <punkass> hmmm...
[07:40] <punkass> the essid stays as off/any
[07:40] <Keybuk> what's the card?
[07:40] <punkass> so i cant connect to the router
[07:40] <punkass> its a onboard broadcom in a dell d600 using ndiswrapper
[07:40] <Keybuk> oh, it could be that the essid setting doesn't work then
[07:41] <punkass> the bizarre thing is that i have connected before....but i dont remember doing anything different
[07:41] <Keybuk> odd
[07:42] <darut> Hi, what is so special in Ubuntu that makes this distro so popular?
[07:44] <MyKq3> try and c
[07:44] <MyKq3> itz gr8
[07:46] <darut> in what is it better than for example Mepis?
[07:46] <MyKq3> if u ask me then i can't anser u cuse i have not tryed Mepis
[07:47] <MyKq3> but i can tell ya that i have beed useing ManDrakeLinux for lotz of time ... and Utuntu is much faster on my P3 machine
[07:48] <punkass> Keybuk: well i little more reading, it seems that its a common problem with ndiswrapper
[07:49] <AlanH> I'd like to find out more about the proposed Live CD version of Ubuntu
[07:49] <AlanH> does it exist already?  I heard it wasn't included in the recent release
[07:51] <Kamion> AlanH: Alex is working on an updated version, should be available soon
[07:51] <AlanH> how safe it is to try the ISO here http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fLiveCD
[07:51] <AlanH> Kamion the same Alex that is behind Morphix?  (sounds very promising)
[07:52] <Kamion> AlanH: yes, same guy
[07:52] <Kamion> AlanH: the ISOs there are no longer available at that location, and there have been security updates since, so I'd advise against it for now
[07:53] <AlanH> my test machine would not have an internet connection anyway and I dont intend to install to a local disk yet, so if you could point me to an ISO image i'd appreciate it
[07:54] <AlanH> i've had bad luck with Morphix detecting my hardware in the past, and if the Ubuntu Live CD is Morphix based I think it is time I should try again and track down the problem if it still exists
[07:55] <kuroishi> where is the ubuntu grub conf?
[07:56] <alextreme> there've been heaps of hw detection updates lately, and that ubuntu livecd just popped out my burner :)
[07:59] <AlanH> hi alextreme, i was looking forward to trying the LiveCd and even more now that I know it is based on your morphix work
[07:59] <Kamion> AlanH: the old one is at http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mdz/ubuntu-live/
[07:59] <Kamion> but might want to wait for alextreme to say how long the new version will be :)
[07:59] <AlanH> Kamion thank you, I'll start burning that in just a few minutes
[07:59] <alextreme> it'll take a few hours to have it uploaded. the old version was pretty buggy
[07:59] <mdz> alextreme: great, looking forward to it
[07:59] <AlanH> alextreme i've got a stack of cheap CDs, so i dont mind burning a CD today and another tomorrow
[08:00] <AlanH> it is more convenient than the other options i have available
[08:00] <alextreme> AlanH: well, your call, i'd hate to wait too just don't expect too much of that one
[08:01] <AlanH> alextreme warning duly noted
[08:01] <alextreme> mdz: think you've been looking forward to it for some time, looking at the severity updates to my bug :)
[08:01] <dieman> mdz: yeah, my test box only has 1gb of memory
[08:01] <dieman> mdz: would have to steal from someone to get more
[08:01] <mdz> alextreme: not only that, every day someone asks in here for a live CD :-)
[08:04] <kuroishi> does ubuntu have a JRE by default?
[08:08] <mic_> is the AMD64 Version able to run 32bit apps?
[08:08] <mic_> or is it a 64Bit only version?
[08:08] <Kamion> there's an ia32-libs package providing some 32-bit compatibility
[08:08] <Kamion> it may well not be complete, though
[08:08] <daniels> Kamion: isn't it used for ooo?
[08:08] <Kamion> daniels: yep
[08:09] <Kamion> I think ooo has some of its own hacks as well
[08:09] <daniels> Kamion: so you'd assume it was reasonably complete :) either that, or ooo is disappointing
[08:09] <mic_> so..will it be able to run the win32 codecs and mplayer?
[08:09] <Kamion> right, but I have no idea what mic_ needs :)
[08:09] <mic_> now you see :-)
[08:09] <Kamion> aha, that will be interesting because mplayer depends on some odd libraries
[08:10] <Kamion> try it and find out :-)
[08:10] <daniels> heh
[08:11] <pisuke> installing totem-xine is another way of being able to run win32 codecs ;-)
[08:13] <cliff> daniels: whats ooo?
[08:13] <daniels> cliff: openoffice.org
[08:13] <cliff> oh right, I'm used to it being called just "oo"
[08:15] <olivier__> hi
[08:15] <olivier__> anyone knows if there is floppies for installing ubuntu ??
[08:16] <lamont> olivier__: I don't believe so
[08:16] <olivier__> ...
[08:17] <olivier__> i have a laptop with no cdrom ...
[08:17] <lamont> although the mini-cd's kinda fit in the floppy drive... :-)
[08:17] <lamont> although it had one, just no bios support.
[08:18] <lamont> olivier__: what about network boot, does your bios allow that?
[08:18] <olivier__> i dont know i try
[08:18] <olivier__> ...
[08:18] <AlanH> on the Ubuntu bounties page Sodipodi is mentioned, does that mean Ubuntu will be using Sodipodi rather than Inkscape?
[08:19] <olivier__> no cannot boot from network
[08:20] <daniels> AlanH: we'll continue to see which one is better, and if either one matures enough to put in our standard distribution, we'll use that
[08:20] <olivier__> so i can do that with a floppy
[08:22] <AlanH> daniels my opinion is that the Inkscape user interface is already much easier for ordinary users but you have answer my question, the field is still open and there hasn't been any firm decision already
[08:23] <daniels> AlanH: for Warty, it was felt that neither was quite ready, so we decided to defer and make a decision later
[08:24] <pisuke> i'd prefer inkscape. maybe you should start a poll :-)
[08:24] <Kamion> we tend to go for quality rather than democracy ;)
[08:25] <plovs> pitti, i added one more hal-bug (minor) https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1866
[08:25] <daniels> we'd end up shipping cowboyneal as our default desktop environment
[08:25] <AlanH> daniels inkscape is rather rough around the edges, I have a list of minor UI flaws I intend to ask them to look at
[08:26] <AlanH> daniels I'm very worried what the "cowboy neal" desktop might look like
[08:27] <chapeaurouge> anyone knows if there is a gaim-encryption out there for ubuntu (alone, not combined with gaim) ?
[08:28] <cliff> version 1.0 has it built in as far as I understand.
[08:28] <chapeaurouge> really?
[08:29] <cliff> gaim.sf.net will tell you
[08:29] <chapeaurouge> it's not in the list
[08:29] <ema> I do not have an ubuntu install right now, is it possible to see which packages are part of main?
[08:30] <daesotho> chapeaurouge: your dialect allows a first-person null copula?
[08:30] <daesotho> chapeaurouge: thats weird
[08:30] <daesotho> chapeaurouge: where are you from?
[08:30] <chapeaurouge> daesotho, what are you talking about?
[08:31] <daesotho> "* chapeaurouge looking"
[08:31] <cliff> chapeaurouge: sorry, I'm mistaken, it's not included yet.
[08:31] <chapeaurouge> i implied looking at the gaim plugin list
[08:31] <daesotho> yeah
[08:31] <chapeaurouge> cliff, np
[08:31] <phin|work> i must say. ubuntu is running PERFECT on my k6-2 300 64 meg laptop :)
[08:31] <phin|work> very snappy
[08:31] <cliff> http://gaim-encryption.sourceforge.net/
[08:31] <phin|work> running openbox with gnome-panel
[08:32] <daesotho> in my dialect, that would have to be /me is looking, but apparently your dialect can ellide the copula
[08:32] <chapeaurouge> cliff, yea been there.. just wanted to avoid compiling, or downloaded that .deb... it's gaim+encryption, not just encryption
[08:32] <cliff> daesotho: I'm pretty sure he was just being lazy.
[08:32] <phin|work> thou i would like to be able to find a lighter panel, that still offers task grouping, but i have yet to find one. i've been chatting with the guy from pypanel
[08:33] <chapeaurouge> cliff, deasotho: indeed.. just lazyness...
[08:33] <chapeaurouge> and english is not my native laguage either
[08:33] <chapeaurouge> language*
[08:33] <cliff> chapeaurouge: you're a tad pedantic. ;p
[08:33] <chapeaurouge> :P
[08:34] <daesotho> chapeaurouge: what is your native language?
[08:34] <chapeaurouge> french
[08:34] <phin|work> anyone suggest another panel program that has task grouping?
[08:36] <neighborlee> anyone else seeing the gnome panel 'died unexpectedly' warning ?..twice now within few minutes ;(
[08:36] <neighborlee> new install as in five minutes ago
[08:37] <neighborlee> all I did was remove top panel and add bottom one and added the menus to it...
[08:37] <chapeaurouge> neighborlee, i had that at the beginning too.. kinda went away
[08:37] <neighborlee> chapeaurouge, weird ;-)
[08:37] <chapeaurouge> i may have done a upgrade after that...
[08:37] <neighborlee> chapeaurouge, do you know if bug report has been filed ?
[08:37] <chapeaurouge> neighborlee, i don't know. I haven't done one.
[08:38] <neighborlee> ok
[08:38] <neighborlee> chapeaurouge, so its not done it to you for a longtime then ?
[08:39] <chapeaurouge> neighborlee, not ever since those first few times
[08:39] <chapeaurouge> works like a charm now
[08:39] <neighborlee> odd indeed LOL
[08:41] <WW> I see that k3b is in universe, and I didn't see any reports about it in bugzilla.  According to the www.k3b.org, k3b should not (or can not) be used with kernel 2.6.8 or <IP_ADDRESS>.  Is this correct?  Is anyone using k3b?
[08:41] <chapeaurouge> yes
[08:41] <phin|work> ive used it with <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:41] <phin|work> on a debian install
[08:41] <chapeaurouge> WW, this is correct. it won't detect your cd-writer apparently.
[08:41] <chapeaurouge> WW, i haven't investigated at all though, as Nautilus burner is usually all i need.
[08:41] <Kamion> the Ubuntu kernel is patched to fix the CD-writing problems in 2.6.8
[08:42] <chapeaurouge> Kamion, ah. well, I guess mine didn't pick that up...
[08:42] <phin|work> i dont use a ubuntu kernel
[08:42] <Kamion> as is the Debian kernel, I believe
[08:42] <phin|work> i made my own ck8 kernel
[08:42] <WW> Kamion: So the note at www.k3b.org is already "old"?  Nice.
[08:43] <Kamion> WW: well, it's accurate for 2.6.8 and <IP_ADDRESS> as released by upstream
[08:43] <chapeaurouge> WW, Kamion: im on ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-2-686-smp right now, and it's not working for me.
[08:47] <neighborlee> Kamion, is it known yet why the installer is failing during 'connect to internet for updates' ?
[08:48] <WW> chapeaurouge, Kamion: I see.  Looks like I should just try it myself.  Thanks for the info.
[08:48] <Setsquare> can anyone help me with the gnome "network" feature
[08:49] <tolo> Hi to all
[08:49] <neighborlee> Kamion, once I went back in and said 'no ' to internet update then install with without a hitch.....and faik my internet has been working just fine..this was an issue I thought had been fixed sometime ago
[08:49] <neighborlee> tolo, hi ;-0
[08:50] <Setsquare> i see my machines but cant open them cos it they desktop configuration files
[08:52] <LinuxJones> Hi tolo
[08:53] <tolo> hae anyone seen trukulo around?
[08:53] <tolo> has, sorry
[08:54] <ema> mdz: is there a particular reason why you do prefer not supporting spamassassin?
[08:55] <mdz> ema: yes; its design is problematic and difficult to maintain
[08:55] <Kamion> neighborlee: "failing" in what way?
[08:57] <zoidi> could anybody tell me where to find the kernel-sources for ubuntu?
[08:57] <neighborlee> Kamion, well it comes up and says 'unable to install software'..please resort to using aptitude to try and fix things
[08:57] <Kamion> wasn't that just a bug in the recent daily CD?
[08:58] <Kamion> was this a daily, or the preview?
[08:58] <LinuxJones> zoidi, apt-cache search kernel-source
[08:59] <neighborlee> Kamion, no idea
[09:00] <zoidi> LinuxJones: the problem is, I don't have a net connection yet - i need to compile my wlan driver first, and therefore, I nedd the sources. Could you point my to the directory of the repository?
[09:00] <neighborlee> Kamion, I'd have to look at the CD assuming relevant info is there to tell me
[09:00] <LinuxJones> zoidi, you mean on the cd ?
[09:01] <LinuxJones> zoidi, you have another machine connected to the internet ??
[09:01] <LinuxJones> zoidi, you mean
[09:01] <LinuxJones> zoidi, 1 sec
[09:01] <zoidi> LinuxJones: yes, i have another machine - this one I'm typing on :-)
[09:01] <zoidi> LinuxJones: thank you
[09:02] <Setsquare> does the "network" browser work for anyone else in here ?
[09:02] <neighborlee> Kamion: #define DISKNAME  Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" - Unofficial i386 Binary-1 < file on my CD fyi
[09:03] <im_ka> hey all
[09:03] <im_ka> i though i'm not a distrowhore anymore but i'm about to download ubuntu
[09:03] <chapeaurouge> Setsquare, this is still a "new" application...
[09:04] <chapeaurouge> Setsquare, I don't trust it fully yet, it has given me unwanted results at time
[09:04] <chapeaurouge> Setsquare, but it's a nice step forward :) it will be very useful (it is already when it dont bug out)
[09:04] <kuroishi> hmm, is there a way to install all the needed developer packages?  i know on deb you can use tasksel and get gcc, make, etc etc
[09:04] <Setsquare> i remember it was like that from Fedora too ... probly a gnome problem then
[09:04] <chapeaurouge> Setsquare, yes. gnome related.
[09:05] <im_ka> how is ubuntu's speed?
[09:05] <chapeaurouge> im_ka, way fasat.
[09:05] <chapeaurouge> fast*
[09:05] <AlanH> alextreme you said you were uploading the Live CD, where to?
[09:05] <ema> kuroishi: check if there is the build-essential package
[09:06] <im_ka> i'm using yoper at the moment, but i'm not satisfied with some things and i prefer gnome over kde. but yoper is really fast so i'm still hesitating
[09:06] <kuroishi> ema, indeed there is, thanks.
[09:06] <chapeaurouge> im_ka, you should give a try to ubuntu. I am a long time slackware usage, and ubuntu seduced me.
[09:06] <chapeaurouge> s/usage/user/
[09:07] <kuroishi> im_ka, yoper is a hacked together piece of crap.
[09:07] <neighborlee> im_ka, denial ? <G>
[09:07] <kuroishi> i was playing with yoper yesterday
[09:07] <LinuxJones> zoidi, I can't find them either :(
[09:08] <chapeaurouge> kuroishi, lol
[09:08] <im_ka> kuroisihi very hars but somehow true
[09:08] <kuroishi> while it was amusing, i can't see running it for long.
[09:08] <zoidi> LinuxJones: thanks for trying
[09:08] <zoidi> i can't believe nobody has used the kernel sources yet
[09:08] <alextreme> AlanH: to my homedir at ubuntu. but i'm not uploading it yet
[09:10] <LinuxJones> zoidi, here you go >> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kernel-source-2.6.7/
[09:11] <zoidi> LinuxJones: I've seen those before, but ubuntu is running <IP_ADDRESS> - I won't be able to use my module with it if I compile it with 2.6.7
[09:11] <Kamion> neighborlee: where did you download it from?
[09:12] <Kamion> LinuxJones: nope ...
[09:12] <Kamion> zoidi: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>/
[09:12] <Kamion> zoidi: surely you just need the linux-headers-* packages though, which are on the CD in current daily builds
[09:13] <neighborlee> Kamion, its been too long now to remember..but i'd imagine from here: http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/warty/preview/
[09:13] <zoidi> Kamion: thank you! i didn't think of looking for linux-sources - have been using debian too long, it seems
[09:14] <hazmat> just finished installing ubuntu on a powerbook, very smooth.. one question when it first boots up i get an error about bad permissions on /dev/pmu any reason why?
[09:14] <Kamion> neighborlee: ok, I haven't tested recently but the archive has shifted somewhat since the preview; if it's just package drift, that won't happen in the final release
[09:14] <Kamion> hazmat: known bug, the error message should be silenced
[09:14] <minghua> hazmat: that is a know bug
[09:14] <hazmat> k, thanks
[09:15] <neighborlee> Kamion, yup np
[09:20] <hkcc2> anyone get gpdf working?
[09:20] <phin|work> hkcc2: what do you mean? it just works for me
[09:20] <hkcc2> phin|work: it goes into a loop when i open a pdf
[09:20] <phin|work> hmm
[09:20] <phin|work> not sure :-\
[09:20] <scara> i get that on debian.
[09:20] <phin|work> ive yet to have an issue
[09:21] <kuroishi> does ubuntu have the same licensing snafu's as debian?
[09:21] <Deft> is there some trick to making grub boot a ntfs partition?
[09:21] <Deft> kuroishi: if you mean "only free stuff on the disk", then yes
[09:22] <kuroishi> Deft, i'm wondering the same, i can't seem to find a grub.conf o.o
[09:22] <Kamion> kuroishi: we are a juicier target than Debian by virtue of being backed by a certain amount of money
[09:22] <vrln> kuroishi: I'm not sure, but I think it's because the win32 codecs aren't quite legal to distribute + mplayer might ship something that might be "grey" too
[09:22] <Kamion> kuroishi: therefore being more cavalier than Debian in areas that actually stand a good chance of getting us sued is not a good plan
[09:22] <vrln> most distributions don't have mplayer+codecs because of that
[09:22] <Deft> grub is configured in /boot/grub, but I get an unknown filesystem type error
[09:23] <vrln> someone correct me if I'm wrong, that was just what I remember reading somewhere :J
[09:32] <phin|work> so do all cardbus usb 2.0 cards require an external power adaptor?
[09:32] <LinuxJones> well with the realease of Theora/Ogg folks should be encoding their stuff in those formats anyway.
[09:33] <mic_> vrln  yes mplayer is breaking several patents, copyrights, licenses etc..but the gyus don't care...
[09:34] <mic_> and I respect that :-)
[09:34] <scara> ditto :)
[09:34] <scara> but if you're gonna get your ass sued, perhaps then is the time for a more "pragmatic" approach :(
[09:34] <mic_> of course..a dsitro shouldn't have them included
[09:35] <mic_> even libdvdcss is critical
[09:35] <Deft> pragmatic? they're in hungary aren't they? nothing bad ever happens there
[09:35] <LinuxJones> mic_, that depends on what country you are living in
[09:36] <scara> i was referring to people who might get sued, like ubunto, or redhat or whatever
[09:36] <longsleep_> where does one change the default keyboard layout in ubuntu?
[09:37] <ioslipstream> computer>desktop preferences>keyboard>layout
[09:37] <Keybuk> longsleep_: Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Keyboard [Layouts]
[09:38] <ioslipstream> heh, quickdraw
[09:38] <ioslipstream> =p
[09:38] <ema> longsleep_: there is also a gnome applet for switching keyboard layout, if you need it
[09:38] <longsleep_> ioslipstream, Keybuk thanks i did that and it only changed it for the user .. i want it changed globally
[09:38] <longsleep_> eg in gdm
[09:39] <ioslipstream> you could edit it in xfree86config
[09:39] <longsleep_> ioslipstream, and what about non x sessions ?
[09:39] <ioslipstream> ya got me there
[09:39] <ema> locales?
[09:39] <LinuxJones> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:39] <longsleep_> ema, the locale affects the keyboard layout as well?
[09:40] <ema> longsleep_: yep
[09:41] <Keybuk> really? I would've thought dpkg-reconfigure console-data would serve you better :)
[09:41] <Keybuk> but yes, the GUI changes it for the user
[09:41] <Keybuk> to change it for the gdm login screen, you'd need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:41] <Keybuk> to change it for the console, you need to dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[09:41] <longsleep_> Keybuk, the locale setting does not affect gdm?
[09:41] <Keybuk> no
[09:42] <ema> Keybuk: you're right :)
[09:42] <Keybuk> X has its own idea of how the keyboard works
[09:42] <longsleep_> ok :)
[09:42] <Keybuk> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 -- to edit the X configuration cutely
[09:42] <longsleep_> so i changed the locale .. now i got german translated console apps but still english keyboard
[09:44] <Deft> someday someone will see that X doesn't really need its own drivers for everything...
[09:44] <neighborlee> this is a bit OT but > how do I fix this kind of error message during ./configure,- ie: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check ? :(
[09:46] <Deft> neighborlee: are you sure you have all the packages? (build-essential etc)
[09:47] <longsleep_> Keybuk, you were right dpkg-reconfigure console-data allows to change the keymaps
[09:47] <neighborlee> Deft, faik yes...this seems more of a file size error to me but i've never seen it before....this code compiles on other distros so atm I just dont know LOL
[09:50] <Cope57> How do you get root access with ubuntu?
[09:50] <neighborlee> Cope57, sudo
[09:51] <Deft> Cope57: sudo <command> and sudo -s for a shell
[09:51] <neighborlee> Cope57, or su but its less secure
[09:51] <Cope57> thx
[09:51] <zenwhen> buttewig
[09:51] <neighborlee> Cope57, sudo stays current for 5 minutes ;-)
[09:51] <chutwig> butt
[09:51] <zenwhen> a butte
[09:51] <neighborlee> lol
[09:51] <Deft> what uses the sudo group?
[09:52] <kuroishi> sudo =P
[09:53] <Deft> thought it might be, but how does it relates to sudoers?
[09:53] <october> so there is only one ISO to download?
[09:53] <october> for x86 that is...
[09:53] <LinuxJones> october, yep
[09:53] <Deft> october: yes, that's all you need to install
[09:53] <chutwig> yeah, and then a hilarious amount of updates
[09:54] <october> wow, how refreshing
[09:54] <october> well... does it have apt or something?
[09:54] <october> sorry for the stupid questions..
[09:54] <chutwig> yes
[09:54] <Deft> ha yes, I just installed my preview cd again, found 178 megs of updates before the installer even finished
[09:55] <chutwig> it'll flux less once the release comes out
[09:55] <october> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/helpcenter_view  whoever maintains that page should change the font colors of the red boxes in the middle as they are hard to read.
[09:55] <longsleep_> my gksudo only exits with 1 status when i launch root aps from menu .. any way to fix that?
[09:55] <Deft> almost not at all in fact, hopefully
[09:56] <Deft> longsleep_: have you tried from a terminal/checked you actually are allowed to sudo?
[09:56] <longsleep_> Deft, well i can sudo from the terminal yes
[09:56] <Deft> try gksudo from a terminal then
[09:57] <october> you guys recommend grabbing the daily builds?
[09:58] <longsleep_> Deft, mhm it tells me wrong password on the console
[09:58] <longsleep_> Deft, ahh the keymapping tricked me again
[09:58] <LinuxJones> longsleep_, you enter your user password not root password , I had that problem too :D
[09:58] <longsleep_> LinuxJones, sure :)
[09:59] <Cope57> So what you are saying is that you use user as root?
[09:59] <longsleep_> Deft, works now .. i suggest to give back a better error for wrong passwords in gksudo
[09:59] <Cope57> There is no root? Just user with root privledges?
[09:59] <Keybuk> Cope57: no, there is a root user
[09:59] <hkcc2> october: i am using a daily build with firefox 1.0pr and gaim 1.0
[10:00] <Keybuk> the user created during installation has privilege to become that root user using sudo
[10:00] <minghua> Cope57: there is a root user but you can't login as root
[10:00] <Deft> longsleep_: file a bug, they'll probably appreciate it
[10:00] <minghua> Cope57: the password for root is disabled
[10:00] <october> hkcc2: cool
[10:01] <Cope57> sudo only for modifications huh?
[10:01] <Cope57> ok, thnx
[10:02] <longsleep_> ok .. after one and a half day using ubuntu .. great work .. great distro .. everybody use ubuntu!
[10:03] <october> longsleep_: heh
[10:04] <LinuxJones> lol
[10:04] <october> I'm guessing ubuntu is debian based... or does it use apt for rpm.  the FAQ seems to hint it's debian based.
[10:04] <october> which is cool
[10:04] <Keybuk> Debian based
[10:04] <chutwig> debian-based
[10:04] <october> danke
[10:04] <october> I used debian for 3 years a while back.
[10:04] <october> and enjoyed it but have been using RH/Fedora for like 3 or 4 years now
[10:05] <LinuxJones> I used Debian for 3 years as well
[10:05] <october> hope it deals with my nVidia card nicely.
[10:05] <october> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]  (rev a3)
[10:05] <LinuxJones> october, check out the faq
[10:06] <october> k
[10:06] <october> XFree86 or X.org ?
[10:07] <sabdfl> hey guys, anybody speak german here?
[10:07] <calc> october: hi trae :)
[10:07] <stevedeo> october, Xfree for now
[10:07] <october> calc: heh, hi
[10:07] <LinuxJones> october, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions see # 3
[10:07] <calc> been a long time since i've seen you around
[10:07] <october> calc: been a long time since a rock and roll
[10:07] <october> :)
[10:08] <october> yeah, things are going good
[10:08] <october> check out my geek fitness site:   fitgeek.org
[10:09] <calc> cool
[10:11] <neighborlee> will synatpic upgrade me to the latest fixes somehow ?
[10:11] <october> maswan: hehe howdy :)
[10:11] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, yes
[10:12] <october> you guys ever heard my band?
[10:12] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, click mark all upgrades
[10:12] <october> http://theinterference.com/

[10:12] <LinuxJones> october, what kind of music is it ?
[10:12] <neighborlee> LinuxJones, oh ok..I wasnt sure about that thinking it would pull try to upgrade too much..but ok thx
[10:12] <october> we lost our drummer in May, but have recently picked up a new one, and a kick butt bass player.  I was filling in on bass, but will concentrate on lead singing and acoustic guitar.
[10:13] <october> LinuxJones: U2, REM, Beatles, Oasis, some of our influences.
[10:13] <LinuxJones> october, ahh
[10:13] <october> LinuxJones: triple your money back if not 100% satisfied
[10:13] <october> I'd recommend:
[10:13] <october> http://theinterference.com/music/mp3/shadow_sessions1/ti-sooner_or_later.mp3
[10:14] <LinuxJones> october, lol, I like Rush and Iron Maiden and really stopped listning to most music in like 1986 :D
[10:14] <october> http://theinterference.com/music/ogg/shadow_sessions1/ti-sooner_or_later.ogg
[10:14] <neighborlee> LinuxJones, so do I want default instead of smart since i'm only wanting security and fixes ?
[10:15] <october> I wouldn't mind talking with whoever is the head of Ubuntu about distro'ing our songs with it.
[10:15] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, smart
[10:15] <october> I got one of my backgrounds included in Fedora Core 1.0 :)
[10:15] <october> http://mccombs.nu/gallery/trae_bgs/frosty_pipes
[10:15] <october> http://mccombs.nu/gallery/trae_bgs  <-- these are all free for public use.
[10:16] <maswan> october: ehm, nope, but then I don't listen to music. :)
[10:16] <october> maswan: aww, you gotta give mine a quick listen ;)
[10:16] <maswan> october: Ok. :)
[10:16] <october> maswan: even posted an ogg in case there are ogg nazi's around
[10:16] <scara> maswan: u got widescreen versions/
[10:16] <neighborlee> LinuxJones, I wodner though if thats safe even if I"ve uncommented 'universe' in sources.list ?
[10:17] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, there is one way to find out ... muaaggghhhh
[10:17] <neighborlee> lol
[10:18] <LinuxJones> october, that didn't sound too bad where are you guys based out of ?
[10:18] <october> LinuxJones: thanks.... Macon, GA.
[10:18] <maswan> scara: ehm. what?
[10:18] <october> http://theinterference.com/music/ogg/shadow_sessions1/ti-dont_come_back.ogg
[10:18] <scara> for those of us at 1280x854 :)
[10:18] <october> LinuxJones: one more for ya ;)
[10:18] <maswan> scara: of what?
[10:18] <october> w000p, 1min to go on my dl
[10:18] <scara> desktop backgrounds, they look fantastic
[10:19] <LinuxJones> october, I had my first taste of grits in Georgia about 15 years ago :D
[10:19] <october> LinuxJones: haha
[10:19] <maswan> scara: sure you don't have me confused with someone else?
[10:19] <scara> oh october, hehe
[10:19] <october> scara: :)
[10:19] <scara> looks like my eyes haven't opened fully yet today :P
[10:19] <october> hehe, it happens
[10:20] <october> LinuxJones: we have a kick butt bass player now too... (I wasn't half-bad, but was self taught)
[10:20] <LinuxJones> october, bass had some nice progressions in that tune
[10:20] <october> cool... Ok... now to burn the ISO
[10:24] <october> w00p, burning now
[10:25] <october> cdrecord -v speed=48 dev=1,0,0 -pad -dao ~october/warty-i386.iso
[10:25] <october> :)
[10:26] <october> probably don't need pad
[10:26] <werewolf> hi, there is any problem with archive.ubuntu.org?
[10:27] <october> done.... wish me luck peeps :)
[10:27] <october> tx for your pre-help
[10:27] <aragirn> hi, I'm just curious if anyone has had a problem with the installer hanging on the detection of network hardware screen?
[10:28] <aragirn> both of my NIC cards are intel pro 10/100 so it's not like they're exotic
[10:28] <aragirn> and the debian installer CDs have never given me any problems
[10:28] <chutwig> word up aragirn
[10:28] <aragirn> hi chutwig how's it going?
[10:28] <Kamion> werewolf: archive.ubuntu.com or archive.ubuntulinux.org would be better choices
[10:29] <mdz> sladen: ping?
[10:29] <werewolf> Kamion: sorry, .com, I mispelled, now is working, bah!
[10:33] <mwh_> is it posible to install ubuntu from the cd, without installing X/Gnome?
[10:34] <stevedeo> Is RAR a closed standard?
[10:34] <LinuxJones> stevedeo, yes
[10:35] <stevedeo> Well crud.
[10:41] <LuSH|School> hey all, how can i check what video driver im using?
[10:41] <sladen> mdz: pong
[10:41] <LuSH|School> it seems im using the onboard when i should be using my ATI driver
[10:44] <october> heh
[10:44] <october> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting hw_random (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random.ko): No such device
[10:45] <inklingx> LuSH|School: did you disable the onboard in your bios?
[10:45] <october> that's after the initial install (which went fine)  then it ejects the CD and reboots the system.
[10:45] <october> and I got that error upon rebooting.
[10:46] <october> anyone have a clue?
[10:46] <inklingx> october: motherboard with intel chipset?
[10:46] <Kosai> october: Ignore it.
[10:46] <october> kosai: it's dead in the water.
[10:46] <october> inklingx: hmmm yeah
[10:46] <Kosai> Oh, I see.  Huh.
[10:47] <inklingx> same probe here, but not dead in the water ;)
[10:47] <kuroishi> does Cedega still have a CVS?
[10:47] <neighborlee> kuroishi, what do you need cedega for?
[10:47] <chapium> is there a listing somewhere of whats in the repository?
[10:47] <neighborlee> kuroishi, there might be a linux native version of it <G>
[10:47] <october> AX4B-533 R1.11 AOpen bios  P2.4 G
[10:47] <mdz> october: harmless error (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1552)
[10:47] <october> mdz: system won't boot
[10:48] <mdz> october: if something goes wrong after that, it's unrelated
[10:48] <mdz> october: is that the last thing you see?
[10:48] <october> yah
[10:48] <october> does the hotplug, finds USB...
[10:48] <october> then poof...
[10:48] <inklingx> october: external usb hard drive?
[10:48] <october> I get that error and then my USB mouse shuts off
[10:48] <theantix> wow, the mouse scroll wheel over the volume applet changes the volume -- how slick is that?!
[10:49] <october> inklingx: nope... just usb keyboard/mouse
[10:49] <october> didn't change anything...
[10:49] <october> this is the daily ISO if that means anything.
[10:49] <LuSH|School> inklingx nope, if i have an ATI Mobility, thats seperate from onboard right?
[10:49] <inklingx> october:; i had the same problem when my usb mouse and external HD ware connected, if i unplugged one of them: the system booted normal
[10:49] <chapium> theantix: nice aint it
[10:49] <october> hmm
[10:49] <october> let me try that
[10:50] <october> taking out mouse and printer (both USB) leaving USB keyboard hookedup for grins
[10:50] <theantix> chapium, you learn something new every day :-)
[10:51] <october> ahhh
[10:51] <october> it booted this time.
[10:51] <october> same error..
[10:52] <october> it just booted.
[10:52] <october> that should be looked at[tm]
[10:52] <october> ;)
[10:52] <inklingx> hwd_random error is noting serious
[10:52] <inklingx> usb problem exists on every distro with <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[10:52] <october> ink: when you can't boot up.it's pretty serious (looks bad for ubuntu, even though the fix was easy)
[10:53] <october> but I'm sure these things will get ironed out
[10:53] <inklingx> the hwd_random problem has nothing to do with the not booting problem
[10:54] <inklingx> i solved the usb problem in <IP_ADDRESS> by compiling the kernel myself 'without initrd)
[10:54] <october> inklingx: heh, been using linux since 96, and am tired of compiling kernels... I want clicky clicky easy
[10:54] <october> :)
[10:54] <inklingx> i had the same problem in slackware
[10:54] <october> ahh
[10:55] <october> probably some 2.6 thing.
[10:55] <october> some voodoo
[10:55] <inklingx> it is something in the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel i guess, 2.6.7 : no problem
[10:56] <chapium> is there a listing of what software is in ubutu's repository?
[10:56] <october> inklingx: well,you helped meout there,sothanks ;)
[10:57] <inklingx> october: no prob - saving others time is my mission ;)
[10:57] <october> hehe
[10:58] <october> now to get xfree86 working with my nvidia card... I bookmarked that link somene(you?) gave me from the FAQ
[10:59] <october> several suggestions there
[10:59] <october> on that FAQ
[10:59] <inklingx> october: you can get rid of the hw_randow error by adding the line hw_random to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[11:00] <october> inklingx: cool beans.
[11:00] <october> it's nice to have debian and not to have to answer 40 billion questions from dpkg
[11:01] <inklingx> :)
[11:02] <krischan> Does anyone uses the newest version of the Mozilla Firefox browser (0.99+1.0PR-0ubuntu3)? Because there's a strange behaviour I'd like to discuss.
[11:03] <october> inklingx:  just add:  +hw_random        or      hw_random ?
[11:03] <october> didn't know if epic was adding a + in there or not.
[11:03] <dieman>  /win 2
[11:03] <dieman> ack
[11:03] <october> dieman: hehe
[11:03] <dieman> lamont: btw, you around?
[11:04] <inklingx> just hw_random
[11:04] <october> k
[11:05] <october> whoa... X even works with my video card without upgrading ;)
[11:05] <october> hehe
[11:05] <inklingx> ubuntu is very nice, even for an old slackware user like me ;)
[11:05] <october> yah
[11:06] <chapium> anyone have any issues with ubuntu?
[11:06] <inklingx> now learning to make .debs :)
[11:06] <october> that seems to have worked like a peach
[11:06] <chapium> i have debian installed, but i managed to break the sound and networking while trying to make something work
[11:06] <october> inklingx: right on
[11:07] <chapium> if it "just works" i wont have to break it... arhhhh
[11:07] <october> eeek
[11:07] <october> baby crying, bbiab
[11:08] <inklingx> chapium: debian or ubuntu? ;)
[11:11] <mdz> october: does it help if you boot with pci=noacpi?
[11:12] <chapeaurouge> where is that debian kernel how-to? can't find it anymore
[11:13] <aspuru> is there an easy way to configure twinview on an nvidia card?
[11:13] <aspuru> i mean on ubuntu ?
[11:14] <chapium> debian, thinking about trying something else next time I install.  Probably later this year
[11:14] <chapeaurouge> found it. blep.
[11:19] <inklingx> mdz:  pci=noacpi didn't help with me
[11:21] <LinuxJones> Ubuntu Review >> http://usalug.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4125
[11:21] <inklingx> mdz: not on ubuntu and not on slackware with <IP_ADDRESS> kernel from testing
[11:21] <Kosai> Uh oh.  A review as a phpBB article.  Think I'll give that one a miss..
[11:22] <Kosai> Slightly too many ubuntu reviews of the form "Now, I haven't actually used Linux before, but Ubuntu sucks because [random Linux missing-the-point] ."
[11:31] <vrln> the osnews preview is quite good
[11:32] <aTypical> Hello.  Could someone please tell me what version of xorg/XFree comes with ubuntu?  I can't seem to find a package list.
[11:33] <inklingx> vrln: too bad he doesn't mention the state of gnome in arch linux ;)
[11:34] <vrln> hehe
[11:34] <inklingx> aTypical: XFree86 Version <IP_ADDRESS> (Ubuntu 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu22)
[11:34] <aTypical> inklingx, thank you.
[11:39] <inklingx> aTypical: more info about ubuntu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view
[11:41] <punkass> anyone know how well ubuntu plays with dell d600 laptop power managment stuff
[11:41] <mwh_> anyone know if synaptic will support marking dependencies to go away when the package which they are denpendencies to go
[11:42] <punkass> i put it on my bosses laptop...he left for the day and closed the lid (without powering down) and when he opened it up later he said it was cookin hot...like it never went into hibernate/sleep mode
[11:44] <Deft> mental note: don't VNC your own screen...
[11:45] <ioslipstream> heh
[11:49] <punkass> lol
[11:50] <dialtone> when is xorg planned for ubuntu?
[11:51] <hkcc2_> dialtone: hoary i believe
[11:56] <manou_> dialtone, when it will be in sid
[11:56] <manou_> I guess
[11:57] <dialtone> aaahhh got it, thx
[11:57] <Deft> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog,  X.org
[11:58] <Anna> wow, lots of people online
[11:59] <chapium> wow, bittorrent downloaded warty in 10 minutes


[15:27] <holstein> OvenWerks: question.. does the USC not show *any* metas? or just ours?
[15:27] <holstein> is that something we should talk about?
[15:28] <holstein> tbh, i just dont use the USC...
[15:28] <OvenWerks> USC shows metas if you search for the exact name
[15:28] <holstein> OvenWerks: O I C
[15:28] <OvenWerks> synaptic will let you search ubuntustudio
[15:28] <holstein> thats fine.. as long as its possible to get to them