[00:45] <callmepk> good morning
[01:22] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[01:22] <callmepk> morning duflu
[04:33] <didrocks> good morning
[05:47] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[05:54] <duflu> Oops
[05:55] <duflu> Good morning didrocks and oSoMoN
[05:55] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[05:55] <jamesh> hi didrocks, oSoMoN, duflu
[05:55] <oSoMoN> hey jamesh
[05:55] <duflu> My weekend was so long I forgot to check IRC occasionally
[05:55] <oSoMoN> it's happened to me more than once
[05:56] <oSoMoN> like these days I forgot to connect to IRC altogether, and only realized towards the end of the day when thinking "what a productive day"
[05:57] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[05:58] <didrocks> hey duflu, jamesh, salut oSoMoN
[05:59] <didrocks> disabling notifications worked for me some years ago!
[07:00] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk duflu didrocks oSoMoN jamesh
[07:01] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[07:01] <callmepk> hey marcustomlinson didrocks oSoMoN jamesh
[07:01] <jamesh> hi marcustomlinson, callmepk
[07:11] <jamesh> marcustomlinson: I put in a request to add 'slots-per-plug: *' to gtk-common-themes and gtk-theme-traditionalhumanized, which should help test that autoconnect of multiple theme snaps actually works: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/auto-connect-and-greedy-plug-behaviour-for-for-gtk-common-themes-and-gtk-theme-traditionalhumanized-snaps/19113?u=jamesh
[07:18] <marcustomlinson> jamesh: excellent! thanks
[07:18] <jamesh> marcustomlinson: in theory it should mean installing the extra snap autoconnects to all existing apps, and gets autoconnected to future app snaps
[07:18] <jamesh> hopefully practice matches theory
[07:19] <marcustomlinson> yeah had a read
[07:20] <marcustomlinson> jamesh: does this mean all theme snap developers need to make this request?
[07:21] <jamesh> marcustomlinson: yes.  Although once we have good automated review in place, it shouldn't require much bureaucracy
[07:22] <jamesh> without a snap-declaration from the store, the content interface won't autoconnect across publishers
[07:23] <marcustomlinson> makes sense yeah
[07:38] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson, callmepk
[07:58] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:58] <marcustomlinson> hi seb128
[07:59] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you?
[08:00] <marcustomlinson> seb128: pretty good thanks, had a decent sleep for a change :) you?
[08:01] <Laney> moin oin oin oin
[08:05] <didrocks> hey seb128, ça va ?
[08:06] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:06] <jibel> salut seb128
[08:06] <jibel> and all
[08:06] <duflu> And hi jibel
[08:07] <marcustomlinson> hi Laney and jibel
[08:07] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[08:23] <Laney>  wb jibel!
[08:23] <Laney> you're looking sun tanned
[08:23] <Laney> moin marcustomlinson & didrocks
[08:27] <seb128> hey Laney, didrocks, duflu
[08:27] <seb128> wb jibel, did you have nice holidays?
[08:27] <seb128> marcustomlinson, I'm alright but could do with some extra sleep!
[08:29]  * didrocks opens the weather forecast for the next days and close it
[08:29] <didrocks> want to time travel on Sunday
[08:29] <jibel> seb128, thanks. holidays were nice and much needed.
[08:30] <seb128> great :-)
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks, I don't remember, do you have a/c in the new house?
[08:32] <oSoMoN> good morning callmepk, marcustomlinson, seb128, jibel, Laney
[08:32] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:32] <seb128> lut oSoMoN!
[08:37] <Laney> sup seb128 oSoMoN duflu
[08:37] <didrocks> seb128: we don’t, it’s 28 inside right now
[08:37] <didrocks> seb128: issue with the little one, who got fever yesterday :/
[08:38] <didrocks> seb128: ah, and same with the new one, no a/c
[08:43] <seb128> :-(
[09:13] <Laney> didrocks: and nice big glass windows facing to the south?
[09:17] <didrocks> Laney: rrrrrrrrrrrright
[09:17] <Laney> good for growing tomatoes!
[10:04] <luna_> morning
[10:04] <luna_> FX 79 release day today
[10:21] <oSoMoN> good morning luna_
[10:22] <oSoMoN> I'm doing final validation of the Ubuntu packages for the RC, everything is on track
[10:50] <seb128> jamesh, hey, any idea how to debug bug #1889067 ?
[10:50] <seb128> GoaBackend: WARNING: Error logging in snapd: (most recent call last): (snapd-error-quark, 10)
[11:01] <jamesh> seb128: I'm not even sure what code this is.  Let me see.
[11:20] <jamesh> seb128: I'm not sure where the "(most recent call last):" message comes from.  The "(snapd-error-quark, 10)" bit indicates this is SNAPD_ERROR_FAILED, which is the non-specific error produced by snapd-glib
[11:22] <jamesh> seb128: I suspect this is the first line of a Python traceback from a service snapd is talking to, somehow truncated down and passed back to the client
[11:43] <seb128> jamesh, ok, thanks, I will try to check with Robert
[13:31] <Wimpress> Afternoon desktopers
[13:31] <oSoMoN> hey Wimpress
[13:31] <Wimpress> seb128: Do you want to drive this or shall I?
[13:31] <didrocks> hey hey Wimpress
[13:31] <seb128> Wimpress, I'm fine either way
[13:31] <seb128> feel free to do it if you are around
[13:32] <Wimpress> Sure thing.
[13:32] <seb128> thx
[13:32] <hellsworth> hi folks
[13:32] <Wimpress> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-07-28
[13:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 28 13:32:16 2020 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[13:32] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[13:32] <Wimpress> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, ji_bel (out), ken_vandine (out), Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk
[13:32] <oSoMoN> 🐼/
[13:32] <seb128> _o/
[13:32] <marcustomlinson> ☝
[13:32] <Trevinho> o/
[13:32] <hellsworth> \o
[13:33] <jibel> o/
[13:33] <Wimpress> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[13:33] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks
[13:33] <Wimpress> Looks in hand.
[13:33] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:34] <Wimpress> Everything is assigned there.
[13:34] <Wimpress> #topic rls-ff-bugs
[13:34] <seb128> wooot :)
[13:34] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:35] <Wimpress> All fine
[13:35] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:36] <Wimpress> Some Unassigned but Fix committed.
[13:36] <didrocks> (magically fixed? :p)
[13:36] <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virt-manager/+bug/1872527
[13:36] <seb128> we already discuss that one and stated it was handled by the server team iirc
[13:37] <didrocks> yeah, the last comment from Christian
[13:37] <Wimpress> I think that is the only one.
[13:37] <Wimpress> So many unassigned fixes!
[13:38] <didrocks> ghost devs
[13:38] <Wimpress> 👻
[13:38] <Wimpress> #topic rls-gg-bugs
[13:38] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.htm
[13:38] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.htm
[13:39] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:39] <Wimpress> 😊
[13:39] <Wimpress> Looks good.
[13:39] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:40] <Wimpress> Also in good shape.
[13:40] <Wimpress> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:40] <Wimpress> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:41] <seb128> I can handle that part
[13:41] <Wimpress> Anthing in there anyone need help with?
[13:41] <seb128> not much in fact
[13:42] <seb128> the current issues on pygobject and software-properties are being handled by foundations afaik
[13:42] <seb128> firefox oSoMoN knows about it
[13:42] <oSoMoN> firefox: I'm on the case, slow progress
[13:42] <marcustomlinson> ♡
[13:42] <seb128> the other ones are new expected fun following the gcc10 landing and new icu transition
[13:43] <seb128> some usual libreoffice retries to be done on arm
[13:43] <Wimpress> oSoMoN: Is that a new nodejs build regression?
[13:43] <seb128> and that's it
[13:43] <oSoMoN> Wimpress, the new britney now blocks migrations from -proposed on build deps, and nodejs is a build-dep for firefox
[13:44] <oSoMoN> and nodejs is blocked on a bunch of reverse dependencies that need fixes for the new major version
[13:44] <Wimpress> Ah.
[13:44] <oSoMoN> there are too many node-* packages in the archive, if you ask me
[13:44] <seb128> shotgun those out
[13:44] <seb128> :-)
[13:45] <Wimpress> Same for golang-* IMO
[13:45] <marcustomlinson> I've never heard anyone complain about "too many" node packages
[13:45] <didrocks> (vendorize all the things \o/)
[13:45] <seb128> and haskell ...
[13:45] <Laney> this bloody 'distro'
[13:46] <seb128> Wimpress, I think we can move on to AOB :)
[13:46] <Wimpress> #topic AOB
[13:46] <Wimpress> Anyone have anything?
[13:46] <jibel> me
[13:47] <jibel> reminder: It's 20.04.1 this week
[13:47] <jibel> any help for testing is welcome
[13:47] <didrocks> RC is already out or are we waiting on a new respin?
[13:47] <jibel> there is a respin coming with a new ubuntu-drivers
[13:47] <seb128> we should probably have a post on discourse about that?
[13:47] <jibel> but it's almost there
[13:48] <seb128> would reach more people than the IRC meeting
[13:48] <jibel> yeah, I'll post something
[13:48] <seb128> thx
[13:48] <Wimpress> I'll see what we can do to get more community involvemtn.
[13:48] <jibel> just back from holidays, expect a small delay :)
[13:48]  * didrocks will allocate some testing time once you give the go :)
[13:48] <seb128> didrocks, thursday, 16h? :p
[13:48]  * seb128 hides
[13:49] <didrocks> seb128: exactly! :)
[13:49] <Wimpress> Anything else?
[13:49] <seb128> sorry I think it's the heat, turning troll mode on today
[13:49] <seb128> I'm just going to mention that GNOME 3.37 rc is in 10 days
[13:50] <seb128> sounds like a good time to start onboarding with the new serie, so I will set up a trello board and start working on those updates, probalby next week, help is welcome as usual
[13:50] <Wimpress> Nice :-)
[13:50] <Wimpress> OK, are we all done?
[13:50] <seb128> I think so
[13:50] <Wimpress> Thanks everyone!
[13:50] <seb128> thanks!
[13:50] <Wimpress> #endmeeting
[13:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 28 13:50:58 2020 UTC.
[13:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-07-28-13.32.moin.txt
[13:51] <didrocks> (seb128: don’t complain about the heat, just looking at the temperature where you are :p)
[13:51] <seb128> Wimpress turned on the efficiency mode
[13:51] <didrocks> Thanks!
[13:51] <hellsworth> thanks!
[13:51] <seb128> didrocks, man, 27°C yesterday ...
[13:51] <seb128> ok, I hide again now :p
[13:51] <marcustomlinson> nice one Wimpress
[13:51] <didrocks> seb128: less than what I have inside the appartment right now :p
[14:15] <Laney> 20 in here
[14:15] <Laney> quite nice
[14:54] <seb128> is anyone else having issues with the Canonical infrastructure?
[14:55] <jibel> not me
[14:57] <seb128> k, I disconnected/reconnected the VPN and now it's fine
[14:57] <seb128> thx
[15:15] <luna_> this months all Firefox releases is done now


[01:54] <cc> can we use wechat on ubuntu phone now?i mean not web
[07:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[12:31] <popey> Hm. Did we invalidate the credentials for U1 on the devices again? All my devices want me to login today.
[12:32] <popey> Hm, I sign in and it tells me I need to again.. known bug sil2100 ?
[12:33] <sil2100> hm, didn't see this yet
[12:33] <sil2100> rc-proposed?
[12:34] <popey> yes
[12:34] <popey> bah, updated to latest daily and reboot and the sign in button is gone again
[12:34] <popey> :)
[12:35] <popey> bah, now I get HTTP 401 when updating apps
[12:35] <popey> getting this on multiple devices on todays image
[12:36] <popey> E1115 12:35:02.086297  4023 file_download.cpp:527]  Download ID{ 4419b6e2656a4475bcfbee83d4bf5ed9 }  https://public.apps.ubuntu.com/download/t-mon/swipeout.t-mon/swipeout.t-mon_0.5.4_multi.click ERROR::Network error AuthenticationRequiredError: the remote server requires authentication to serve the content but the credentials provided were not accepted (if any).
[12:36] <popey> bah!
[12:38] <popey> yeah, my u1 account has disappeared on the reboot
[12:45] <popey> re-add it, and it still "Update failed"
[12:46] <popey> reboot, still broken. Yeah, sil2100 looks like a problem.
[12:53] <Kiryat8_> Nexus4 Dual Boot bq_aquaris rc update yesterday,ubuntu splash screen starts then phone shuts off because of Unity8 link bug.In Android,UbuntuDualBoot says Ver 65.
[12:53] <Kiryat8_> Ver 65 has the bug.Is there any hint on when it will be fixed? Can I help in anyway?
[13:37] <davmor2> Kiryat8_: known bug will be fixed when it is fixed not sure how you can repair it on dual boot I assume you can do it from the android side
[13:38] <DeadSquirrel01> MDSS_MAX_BW_LIMIT_CAMERA
[13:43] <Kiryat8_> I get notification in Ubuntu and then update in Android. At least that is how the new rc broke. Guess I should have stayed on stable and not rc. I could always use adb and revert I think.
[13:44] <Kiryat8_> Just how will I know when another rc is released?
[13:44] <mr_> any tips for a noob trying to install touch on a nexus 7?
[14:01] <davmor2> Kiryat8_: talk to sil2100 nicely but on the whole you can probably check http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc/bq-aquaris.en/mako/
[14:12] <Kiryat8_> thanks
[15:36] <navdeepsingh13>  phablet-dev-bootstrap phablet/ is not working
[15:36] <navdeepsingh13> any ideas ??
[19:25] <Arrudagates> Hey i need help
[19:30] <aiyion> Arrudagates: Most probably. this is exactly what you need:
[19:30] <aiyion> https://rurounijones.github.io/blog/2009/03/17/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
[19:34] <aiyion> well then he doesn't...
[20:23] <Danuu> hey
[20:23] <Danuu> root
[20:24] <Danuu> :root
[20:27] <DeadSquirrel01> Wat
[21:30] <taiebot> I have installed to play around the app drawer silo. It's a very interesting concept. Wondering what will happen to the full left swipe why have both the launch panel and this app drawer, why not only have the app drawer? Hopefully design will explain this concept. But for me the left swipe back to the favorite dash should be kept the app drawer should replace the left launcher.
[21:43] <taiebot> Hey also looking at the ubuntu designer call. Do you have to be in London to participate it's not very clear from the form. https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSek1NDFra6qIhq-uq1MCcrwItBqmLsksMutyQ1N4TjQniE-4Q/viewform
[21:44] <taiebot> https://twitter.com/ubuntudesigners


[00:31] <OpusContinuum> So what alternatives to ath5k wifi driver is there? I have a  US dlink DWL-G510 Rev. B their website offers no help since it is phased out
[00:33] <XRS1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/DWL-G510
[00:33] <XRS1> have you seen that?
[00:43] <OpusContinuum> no i have not thanks a ton I just pieced this system from the local recycling plant just using all open sources but it is my first go at linux


[01:57] <magic_ninja> are there any remote-desktop type applications like teamviewer that don't require a ton of intensive configuration and don't use remote servers?
[01:57] <magic_ninja> I just want something local.
 Something like remmina?
[02:00] <magic_ninja> remmina is a client if I remember correctly
 Yes, correct. (I should have read your question more carefully.)
[02:04] <magic_ninja> I'm thinking maybe nomachine
[02:06] <moffa> There is VNC or XRDP
 How about chrome remote desktop? It's over internet like teamviewer. …  VNC or XRDP , machines must be in the same network,.
[02:14] <magic_ninja> I'll have to keep looking. I was not really wanting to do VNC. I guess if I want something nice and easy like teamviewer, I should use teamviewer.
[02:16] <moffa> Yes,  if you want to connect through a company's server I think you should use TeamViewer or Chrome Remote Desktop.  Nomachine's open-source fork is X2Go, but again you'd connect to your machine, not through another server
 teamviewer worked great a couple years the last time I used it.
[02:16] <magic_ninja> I found x2go to be pretty buggy
[02:16] <magic_ninja> Rather, to have pretty poor performance.
[02:18] <magic_ninja> I have a VPN server, so I'm more interested in just local functionality
[02:18] <magic_ninja> I think I might give xrdp a shot
[02:19] <magic_ninja> I wonder if I can configure it to use my current session.
[02:24] <moffa> Just so you know, XRDP is just VNC over RDP. If you don't want to use remote servers, I think VNC is your best option
[12:09] <blippitybloopy-M> Why can't I upgrade to focal-fossa?
[12:09] <blippitybloopy-M> I am on 18.04
[12:11] <RikMills> blippitybloopy-M: the ubuntu release team have delayed switching on upgrades, as there are some blocking bugs that need to be fixed 1st
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:50] <blippitybloopy-M> Thanks for info
[12:50] <blippitybloopy-M> <RikMills "blippity bloopy: the ubuntu rele"> Its already august
[14:08] <karelinux> hello
[18:46] <userCHarles> Trying to move directory "Document" to directory with more space
[18:47] <userCHarles> Sorry, Trying to move directory "Document" to disk partition with more space
 Symlink to the new location?  Very easy in Dolphin.
 Can someone tell me why I have the version 4 of Korganizer and I am not able to upgrade to 5 on my kubuntu 20.04.1? I have the newer one on another pc with kubuntu 20.04.1 with no problems btw
 If go on discover I can just download ver. 4
 @Franzpow, I think you might be confusing the version number with the EPOCH.   For instance, I see v. 4:19.12.3 in 20.04.  In, NEON is see 4:20.08.   Ignore the 4: (the EPOCH as this is usually a tracking number indicating the Ubuntu repo's version differ slightly from debian)
 mmm I understand
 but why the EPOCH is different between two machines with the same kubuntu?
 @DarinMiller I can see 4.19 version release date 05/03 while on my other pc is version 5 released on August
[22:13] <dad> how can i install missing gnome icon theme on kubuntu? Like the butytons are missing on gparted etc?
[22:13] <dad> do i have to add ppa?


[04:37] <DenBeiren> hi,.. still someone awake :-)
[04:37] <DenBeiren> i’m having problems purging old kernels
[04:38] <DenBeiren> anyone able to help out?
[05:30] <WJB> May I ask a crontab ? on here?
[06:10] <ochoroch> Good Morning ... i'm still havin problems running Ubuntu 14.04 on HyperV (2012 R2). It becomes unavailable after some time (6-10 hours). i have setup a cronjob so see if mysql comes up again ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/8611033/
[06:10] <ochoroch> but i'm now more worried about the last line
[06:11] <ochoroch> "HV_FCOPY: open /dev/vmbus/hv_fcopy failed;" <- is this causing the server being unavailable, (no ssh, no apache)....
[06:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:52] <RSchilder> Hellp ! I'm wondering if there Is someone who can help me? I'm trying to compile to PHp 4.5.33 in Ubuntu 14.04. Everything works till make-intall then I got the error: I got the error: cp: cannot stat 'sapi/cli/php.1' : No such file or directory. Make: *** [install-cli] error 1
[06:57] <RSchilder> I'm sorry PHP 5.4.33
[07:51] <_ruben> I'm still at a complete loss as how to get a properly functioning cluster using pacemaker/corosync (or any alternatives for that matter) .. none of the howtos I've found sofar match what's available on 14.04
[10:31] <thejoecarroll> anyone here using etckeeper with git on any of their servers?
[12:03] <coreycb> zul, jamespage: 2014.1.3 has been released to -updates
[12:03] <zul> coreycb: cool i know :)
[12:03] <jamespage> coreycb, I saw it flush through to the CA staging area as well - zul - there are xen and libvirt updates which ftbfs as well right now
[12:04] <zul> jamespage:  ill get that today
[12:04] <jamespage> zul, awesome
[12:04] <coreycb> jamespage, ah good, the movement to the CA is at least semi-automatic
[12:04] <coreycb> zul, thanks
[14:38] <zul> jamespage/coreycb: xen and libvirt updated
[14:44] <coreycb> zul, thanks
[15:19] <ruben23> hi guys i have install ubuntu sererv 14.0 LTS ---> is it possible to chnage my default web directory..? how to do it..?
[15:19] <smoser> smb, hey. https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1377308
[15:21] <smoser> you have any ideas what would do that ? essentially, boot without initramfs hangs on ppc64el and arm. see comment 3 for the cause of the regression.
[15:22] <smoser> i tried diffing kernel configs http://paste.ubuntu.com/8616137/
[15:22] <smoser> but there is a lot of stuff.
[15:23] <smb> smoser, not right away. give a minute to read through stuff
[15:23] <smoser> i was hoping for CONFIG_DEVTMPFS is not set
[15:23] <smoser> but did not get so lucky.
[15:24] <genii> ruben23: Change the DocumentRoot in whatever sites you have enabled in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
[15:29] <smb> smoser, was 3.13.0-30 actually the last good kernel? As for bad you have a 3.13.0-36 version
[15:30] <smoser> no. its not kernel related.
[15:30] <smoser> its cloud-init's botched expectation
[15:30] <smoser> on intel, somehow /run ends up getting mounted correctly.
[15:31] <smoser> where on ppc64 and arm it doesnt. and thus blocks boot
[15:32]  * genii ponders /run versus /var/run
[15:32] <lordievader> genii: Isn't one a symlink to the other?
[15:33] <genii> Supposed to be, AFAIK
[15:33] <smb> smoser, Have you tried adding a "debug" to the kernel command line and maybe initcall_debug as a second step. MAybe that shows more clearly where it stops
[15:33] <smoser> debug or --debug
[15:34] <smb> smb, The only next thing in the current logs is probably a message caused by the udev failsave gfx device script.  "debug" makes the kernel more verbose
[15:39] <smb> smoser, So actually, do you say it probably never worked on arm64/ppc64el without initrd?
[15:41] <smb> If so that might be some module (maybe framebuffer) that is in the initrd for those arches...
[15:43] <smoser> probably.
[15:43] <smoser> smb, really. you think fb module could cause that ?
[15:45] <smb> smoser, wild guess. mostly because of the "* Stopping Send an event to indicate plymouth is up" as the first event later than those in the bad case.
[15:47] <smoser> smb, just attached full '--debug' logs.
[15:47] <smb> smoser, But "initcall_debug" maybe shows better what is going on
[15:47] <smoser> you want initcall_debug also ?
[15:47] <smoser> is that upstart or kernel ?
[15:47] <smb> smoser, I did not want --debug in the first place :-P
[15:48] <smoser> alright . debug initcall_debug coming
[15:48] <smb> smoser, But give me a sec, maybe upstart debug is doing  enough
[15:49] <smb> smoser, Erm.... that looks like it was with initrd (or at least came up)
[15:50] <smoser> ?
[15:50] <smoser> why do you say that ?
[15:51] <smoser> the kvm line is there. you can see '-append' is honored (ie, it came from qemu loading kernel)
[15:52] <smb> smoser, Because if you could give me the log with --debug from a start that hangs it would be simpler to figure out what the last thing started was
[15:54] <smoser> smb, i gave you that, no?
[15:54] <mdeslaur> hallyn: any progress on getting the qemu and libvirt SRUs accepted?
[15:54] <mdeslaur> hallyn: I'm waiting for security updates
[15:54] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1377308
[15:54] <smoser> i have a suspicion
[15:55] <smb> smoser, meh, my fault you gave me amd64 and ppc64el and I looked at amd64 thinking it to be arm64
[15:56] <smoser> ah.
[15:56] <smoser> yeah, those strings are way to similar.
[15:56] <smoser> i think this is it:
[15:56] <smoser> [    0.258368] init: plymouth-upstart-bridge main process (76) terminated with status 1
[15:56] <smoser> [    0.258506] init: plymouth-upstart-bridge main process ended, respawning
[15:56] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1370913
[15:57] <smoser> and this smells related.
[15:57] <smb> smoser, apparently that happens more often than not. may mean nothing
[15:57] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1370913
[16:00] <smoser> see comment 17 at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1160079
[16:03] <hallyn> mdeslaur: i'll takea  look in a bit and see if i can push it along
[16:08] <smb> smoser, So maybe it is in some way related to something about console. As it is working with initrd this sounds something is in there that makes it work. Though I am not that familiar with those two arches
[16:08] <smb> I 'll ask around
[16:15] <mdeslaur> thanks hallyn
[16:24] <mgw> I have a question on how packaging is commonly handled with regard to repositories -- e.g., if I want to maintain a package (for several OS releases) for a git project that has no /debian dir... what is the normal way to set up my own repo?
[16:46] <mgw> Is there an ubuntu or debian packaging channel?
[16:48] <RoyK> "unexpectedly shrunk window" <-- anyone that knows how I can stop the kernel from logging this?
[18:42] <dine909> do i have to source /etc/fstab.d/*.conf in /etc/fstab for it to work?
[18:44] <sarnold_> hah, never seen that before..
[18:45] <sarnold_> I suspect it should work without any modifications to /etc/fstab
[18:45] <dine909> hmm
[18:45] <dine909> not so
[18:46] <dine909> http://askubuntu.com/questions/168290/why-cant-mount-read-files-in-etc-fstab-d
[18:46] <dine909> not sure what this means:
[18:46] <dine909> 	•	The feature has been added in the latest util-linux 2.21 (the https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/v2.21/v2.21-ReleaseNotes say "Use filter arg of scandir* to pickup /etc/fstab.d/*.fstab files")
[18:47] <dine909> just tried a file called /etc/fstab.d/data.fstab
[18:48] <dine909> ah
[18:48] <dine909> right under it
[18:48] <dine909> "The /etc/fstab.d support has been reverted from mount(8) after upstream http://marc.info/?l=util-linux-ng&m=132740311801201&w=2"
[18:48] <dine909> thought it was too good to be true
[18:49] <sarnold_> interesting
[18:49] <dine909> i'll do it in upstart i guess
[18:49] <dine909> same post roughs out a way to mount from a fragment of an fstab
[18:50] <dine909> i'm generally liking the .d of things lately
[18:52] <sarnold_> it took me a while to come around to it
[18:52] <sarnold_> when it was xinet.d I hated it, I really liked inetd :)
[18:52] <dine909> makes so much more sense from a packaging aspect
[18:52] <qman__> Makes upgrades a lot easier
[18:53] <qman__> Package maintainer can change his files without affecting mine
[18:53] <dine909> being able to sneak an interface.d file in is so much nicer than having scripts to mangle interfaces file
[18:54] <dine909> has anyone found a nice way to clean up a package repo from old packages
[18:55] <raijin> hello, I have two libc6's installed and it is causing dep issues
[18:57] <bekks> How did you manage to install two of them?
[19:01] <raijin> bekks: it came like this
[19:16] <raijin> bekks: it seems to be actually some name issue
[19:17] <bekks> raijin: Can you be way more precise please? :)
[19:20] <raijin> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8618614/
[19:22] <bekks> raijin: Can you pastebin "apt-cache policy libc6" too, please?
[19:22] <raijin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8618628/
[19:22] <raijin> ok
[19:23] <bekks> raijin: Can you pastebin "apt-cache policy libc6" too, please?
[19:23] <raijin> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8618643/
[19:24] <bekks> raijin: That looks like an odd package source.
[19:25] <raijin> it is correct, I was having resolution issues as well
[19:25] <dasjoe> It's (one of) us.archive.ubuntu.com's IP address(es)
[19:26] <raijin> s/was/am
[19:26] <raijin> my vps was corrupted and I am attempting to configure the new one, and it came with all these issues
[19:27] <bekks> raijin: Can you pastebin a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" then?
[19:28] <raijin> I will try it
[19:30] <raijin> same error
[19:31] <bekks> Whats the output of the commands asked?
[19:32] <Alina-malina> how to know what OS is running on current machine, i am in ssh, but i dont know what it is running, because apt-get doesnt work for me:-/
[19:34] <Alina-malina> no nano as well :-/
[19:36] <teward> Alina-malina: lsb_release -a
[19:36] <teward> maybe?
[19:37] <Alina-malina> no that doenst work as well :-/
[19:37] <raijin> bekks: i posted the pastebin
[19:38] <sarnold_> Alina-malina: cat /etc/*release*
[19:38] <Alina-malina> oh super
[19:38] <Alina-malina> it is centOS
[19:38] <Alina-malina> :-/
[19:38] <Alina-malina> how i do the stuff there eh
[19:38] <bekks> raijin: The last pastebin isnt showing the commands I gave you.
[19:38] <raijin> yes it is
[19:38] <sarnold_> Alina-malina: iirc, yum install <foo>
[19:38] <raijin> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8618643/
[19:38] <teward> sarnold_: you're right but the package names vary substantially
[19:38] <raijin> oh
[19:38] <Alina-malina> what is iirc ? do i need to add thate everytime?
[19:38] <teward> !centos | Alina-malina
[19:39] <Alina-malina> and there is no nano:(
[19:39] <Alina-malina> oh
[19:39] <Alina-malina> sorry
[19:39] <sarnold_> Alina-malina: sorry, "if I recall correctly"
[19:39] <raijin> bekks: you want the dist-upgrade results?
[19:39] <teward> Alina-malina: `iirc` is "I I Recall Correctly"
[19:39] <teward> or "If I Remember Correctly"
[19:39] <teward> booo ubottu
[19:39] <bekks> raijin: I want the output of: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[19:39] <Alina-malina> oh:)
[19:39] <Alina-malina> hehe
[19:39] <Alina-malina> alreayd:))
[19:39] <Alina-malina> alright
[19:39] <Alina-malina> *
[19:40] <raijin> bekks: sorry , here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/8618794/
[19:41] <teward> sarnold_: quick question - is there any harm in running `do-release-upgrade -s` to see what breaks and stuff?
[19:41] <teward> durig the upgrade process, that is
[19:41] <teward> (LTS-to-LTS, that is)
[19:41] <sarnold_> teward: sorry, no idea, never tried it..
[19:41]  * teward shrugs
[19:41] <teward> meh, i'll backup my home dir... i'm going to need a new hard drive first...
[19:41] <teward> hmm
[19:41] <teward> (this is on my server :P)
[20:25] <keithzg> Hmphh. Gmail's thoroughly unhelpful refusal to connect to my SMTP server continues to annoy me. "We are having trouble authenticating with your other mail service" explains nothing, especially since STARTTLS connections from desktop clients work fine. Sigh.
[20:41] <smoser> jdstrand, i think you can just answer.
[20:41] <smoser> i'm looking to do a sru to trusty of curtin
[20:42] <smoser> curtin is at 0.1.0~bzr190-0ubuntu1 in utopic
[20:42] <smoser> and want to bring the same (0.1.0~bzr190) to trusty
[20:42] <smoser> trusty is now at 0.1.0~bzr126-0ubuntu1
[20:42] <smoser> what version string should i use for trusty-prposed upload ?
[20:42] <smoser> 0.1.0~bzr190-0ubuntu1~14.04 ?
[22:01] <dine909> i run ubuntu machines in exhibition / kiosk type scenarios, where process monitoring is key - i'm looking for a monitoring agent and server - any i should avoid or marry?
[22:02] <dine909> apart from opennms which should be taken out back and shot
[22:04] <sauce> hey, i have ubuntu server 12.04. I am missing /usr/bin/Mail.  so i tried to apt-get install update-alternatives, but the package doesn't exist. anyone know what i'm talkin about?
[22:06] <dine909> sauce, try "sudo apt-get install mailutils"
[22:09] <sauce> dine909 sorry for the confusion, /usr/bin/mail is installed. I am missing the /usr/bin/Mail (upper M)
[22:10] <dine909> not sure what package that might be, definitely not a standard ubuntu package
[22:10] <sauce> opsview requires that path. no idea why. there is some historical reason for it
[22:10] <sauce> even opsview's apt packages from their repo
[22:12] <dine909> try running it under strace
[22:12] <dine909> see if you can work out exactly why it needs it and then symlink in the required file
[22:13] <dine909> or make a decision based on the strace output
[22:13] <dine909> pastebin it
[23:28] <Kawaiola> Hey All, can I use any desktop distro as a desktop environment for ubuntu server?


[12:14] <dewman> where would i find a list of the current fixes? IE this last update that I just received is g06c8142, i checked the wiki page but it seems that the update is not listed. Is that a ubuntu version number?
[15:08] <mrand> dewman: yeah, the wiki lags to varying degrees, and if it was minor enough, won't list it at all.  https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commits/fixes%2F0.24/ lists the changes.  If you search 06c8142 on that page, you'll find it.The date that is prefixed helps get you close if it is an older revision/commit.
[15:08] <Zinn> [github.com] Commit History for MythTV's mythtv - GitHub
[15:50] <dewman> mrand, thanks. I keep forgetting to look at github... ;)
[18:09] <Gibby> anyone have troubles disabling nouveau lately on new installs?
[18:09] <patdk-lap> nope
[18:11] <Gibby> ahhh, i am following my own how to for network booting because i borked my img and now i can't get the darn thing to go away to i can install the nvidia drivers
[21:14] <Gibby> having issues with metadata, http://pastebin.com/mnf6LM3w
[21:14] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] mythtv@00012e2b829b:/usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Mov
[21:37] <cal_> X crashes randomly after installing 10.10 .. however when running just the LiveCD it is very stable. not sure what to check for?
[22:10] <mrand> cal_: perhaps Bug 660833?
[22:10] <Zinn> Bug 660833 in mythtv (Ubuntu) "Mythfrontend and Xorg crash/restart back to login screen when starting playback/LiveTV" [High, Fix Released] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/660833
[22:32] <cal_> nah, its random. even clicking on links in firefox can do it.
[22:33] <cal_> i have 64bit installed. going to try 32 bit, since the livecd runs in 32 bit mode


[22:09] <Vigo> jove: Yes, there are a couple, what ActionParsnip said are good.
[22:09] <sp0spo> what is the laptop channel for ubuntu? xwindows reboots after about 10 minutes while on my laptop. IO don't know why
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> llutz: sure but root can also mount the ext3 etc as ro, thus root has the power and therefore (ipso-facto) the ownership
[22:10] <trism> sie: users with a uid less than 1000 won't show up in the gdm menu
[22:10] <jove> Vigo: does it have the GUI to run or run from CMD ?
[22:10] <sie> trism: They'll be counted as users for apps, like mpd/mysql?
[22:10] <Vigo> jove: Look at ddrescue and in that area also, they are mainly terminal.
[22:11] <sam555> gnea: any ideas?
[22:11] <Losha> nmvictor: run apt-cache depends moc and it should tell you...
[22:11] <llutz> ActionParsnip: lots possibilities, but i was refering  this, which is definetly wrong for unix-fs -> [23:06:47] <ActionParsnip> zongo__: technically yes, then you can mount it with certain options to give uer access
[22:11] <sp0spo> what is the laptop channel for ubuntu? xwindows reboots after about 10 minutes while on my laptop. IO don't know why
[22:11] <mgolisch> squelos: either you didnt add your public key tp the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 file on the server or something else is wrong
[22:12] <obiwan_> hey guys anybody syncs his itouch/iphone with libgpod?
[22:12] <squelos> authorized_keys2 ?
[22:12] <datadigger> sp0spo: After 10 minutes of inactivity, or also when you use keyboard/mouse all the time?
[22:12] <Gnea> sam555: if you have pastebinit installed, you can paste the whole log without copy 'n paste
[22:12] <Vigo> jove: In Synaptic Package Manager just enter Hard Drive or Disk Utilities in the search section.
[22:12] <sp0spo> when i am typing and using the keyboard and mouse
[22:12] <terry_> sp0spo: Don't know that we have a "laptop channel", but may be a heat issue.
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> llutz: given
[22:12] <mgolisch> squelos: did you add you public key to the server at all?
[22:13] <sam555> Gnea: k, do I just do apt-get install pastebin?
[22:13] <squelos> i did, but to the authorized_keys, not authorized_keys2. It might be because its a debian serv, but i tried  SSH a few weeks ago on a karmic, and i didnt see authorized_keys2
[22:14] <nmvictor> jrib: so now that the compiled version is temporarly installed, wont intslling the repos version result in a mixup?
[22:14] <Vigo> !pastebinit
[22:14] <squelos> mgolisch  i did, but to the authorized_keys, not authorized_keys2. It might be because its a debian serv, but i tried  SSH a few weeks ago on a karmic, and i didnt see authorized_keys2
[22:14] <jrib> squelos, mgolisch: do you guys mean ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, not ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2?
[22:14] <Losha> nmvictor: installing the repo version should simply overwrite the version you installed....
[22:14] <edd> I have installed ndiswrapper from source ... tried to remove can't seem to succeed
[22:14] <sie> How do I manage sessions for gdm?
[22:14] <jrib> nmvictor: no, but depnding on where you installed your compiled version, you should remove it
[22:15] <trism> sie: well, I'm not sure it really matters, but actual users usually have uids greater than 1000, while users that run services usually have less, which is probably why gdm does it this way
[22:15] <LateralForce> Is it possible display the separate core loads in System Monitor Applet?
[22:15] <Gnea> !info pastebinit
[22:15] <mgolisch> squelos: id read the logs on the server
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> edd: because you used source, if you'd made a deb fdrom the compiled binarys and installed that then removal is simple
[22:15] <squelos> jrib : i never heard of the authorized_keys2. I added to the authorized_keys. So i dunno know :/ What if i delete the /etc/ssh/sshd_config. will it restablish it to default ?
[22:15] <terry_> sie: gdmsetup
[22:16] <terry_> sie  What exactly do you want to do?
[22:16] <mgolisch> squelos: like auth.log, sshd usualy refuses login if the permissions on the homedir are borked, like world writeable etc
[22:16] <jrib> squelos: I just kept seeing authorized_keys2 and wanted to point out the file does not have a '2'.  Where exactly did you add your key?
[22:16] <Losha> LateralForce: dunno about System Monitor Applet, but 'top' will show you separate core load if you type "1"
[22:16] <madjoe> Losha: ssmtp works like a charm.. thanks, for the best advice regarding my question!
[22:16] <Losha> madjoe: excellent...
[22:17] <squelos> jrib : ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for both regular user and root. mgolisch : hum, i dont remember changer permissions.
[22:17] <LateralForce> Losha, ok thanks. kinda sucks to not see the separate cores in the applet.. i have to click it when ever i want to check the loads
[22:17] <Gnea> sam555: did you catch that?
[22:17] <nom_nom> for networking, i'm assuming there's supposed to be a network icon in the places menu? if so, i have a problem, 'cause mine's not there.
[22:17] <jrib> squelos: right, you need to make sure you have the right permissions
[22:17] <nmvictor> Losha: yea, jrib is right, in just installed the repos version and i still get the error, is the default install directory /usr/local/? i dint pass any parameters to the ./configure script
[22:18] <jrib> nmvictor: it's usually /usr/local/, yes.  So when you type 'moc', it's probably calling /usr/local/bin/moc and not the repository's version
[22:18] <squelos> jrib => yeah, well i tried them, but i never really used permissions before, so i dont know which ones to apply. btw, its a debian server so its in CLI.
[22:18] <LateralForce> Losha, do you know where i can post feature requests to System Monitor?
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> nom_nom: run: nm-applet in the alt+f2 thing  you will get an icon in the notification area
[22:18] <nmvictor> jrib: so whats should i do?
[22:18] <jrib> squelos: well just give ~/.ssh/ 700 and ~/.ssh/authorized_keys 600
[22:19] <jrib> nmvictor: uninstall the version you compiled
[22:19] <sam555> Gnea: i installed it, but I don't know how to use it and i've been searching the lrc chat for directions
[22:19] <squelos> thats what im just after doing :D
[22:19] <squelos> do i need to restart the daemon ?
[22:19] <Losha> LateralForce: um, not sure. Maybe http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[22:19] <datadigger> squelos: no
[22:19] <mgolisch> squelos: only if you modify its config
[22:20] <chai> is there any way to test if my swap is working? like... a program/command that forces my system to use swap?
[22:20] <nom_nom> ActionParsnip: nothing's coming up...
[22:20] <Gnea> sam555: ah, try this:  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit
[22:20] <sam555> Gnea: kk
[22:20] <jrib> chai: swapon -s
[22:20] <squelos> same :/
[22:21] <nmvictor> jrib: thanks, it worked, now here comes another problem
[22:21] <penguinv> Computer not freezing today. CD-drive empty. Been playing NO videos.:   Now on my igoogle page I see that the target ad only shows one tiny square. In Chrome. Wot in FF? It says I  musst haev Javascript enabled. I look at preferences and I do. FF shows none of the Target ad.
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> nom_nom: usually it runs, strange, maybe its in administration
[22:21] <jrib> squelos: can you use password logins?
[22:21] <sam555> Gnea:where do I find the paste?
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> nom_nom: i dont use gnome so not sure
[22:21] <squelos> so i dont know what to do. Im gonna give up i think. Its just my personnal computer at home anyways.
[22:21] <Gnea> sam555: wait and it will spit out a url
[22:21] <chai> jrib, yea, that works, but if i do 'free -m' i'm not using any of my swap. i opened up a bunch of programs and still no swap is used
[22:21] <jrib> chai: so, that means you don't need to use swap, that's a good thing...
[22:21] <squelos> jrib : yeah, but i put them to no to try the key auth
[22:21] <mgolisch> nom_nom: do you have any nic thats not configured by the interfaces file at all?
[22:22] <rahduke> someone please tell me how to fix my computer! It's completely useless this way! please help!
[22:22] <jrib> squelos: ok, well the easy way to setup keys is to allow passwords and just use ssh-copy-id command
[22:22] <squelos> jrib : that is what i used at first :D
[22:22] <mgolisch> nom_nom: i think nm-applet wont show if all availiable interfaces are configured via interfaces file
[22:22] <sie> terry_: I want to run musca in school's ubuntu. :]
[22:22] <chai> jrib, true, so there's no way to test it? i put swappiness up to 10, still nothing
[22:22] <squelos> jrib : can i just delete the ssh config files, and retry ?
[22:22] <sam555> it just said http://pastebin.com
[22:22] <chai> jrib, maybe useless, i just wanted to force my system to use swap
[22:22] <rahduke> when i minimize applications the animation shows it minimizing to the panel instead of my dock, how can i set the minimize animation to minimize to dock instead of panel in compiz????
[22:23] <xangua> rahduke: remove the 'window list' applet
[22:23] <jrib> chai: it's fine.  But you need high swappiness to have the system use swap more aggressively methinks
[22:23] <nmvictor> I installed ubuntu in my iBook which is what i am running but its <enter> key is disfunctional, so the is a key next to the arrow keys which has been finctioning as the return key, however, mocp and emacs cant detect this key for return functions, is their a workaround here?
[22:23] <nom_nom> okay, looks like i have more research to do
[22:23] <rahduke> xangua: what do you mean sir?
[22:23] <jrib> squelos: umm, you can delete ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server, sure
[22:24] <jrib> squelos: you should probably add some verbose flags when you ssh and read the server's sshd log I guess if you are still stuck
[22:24] <xangua> rahduke: right clic in the 'windows list apple' and select 'remove'
[22:24] <abstrakt> nmvictor, sure... use vim :P
[22:24] <penguinv> Computer not freezing today. CD-drive empty. Been playing NO videos.:   Now on my igoogle page I see that the target ad only shows one tiny square. In Chrome. Wot in FF? It says I  musst haev Javascript enabled. I look at preferences and I do. FF shows none of the Target ad.  OK here's my syslog thing.   http://paste.ubuntu.com/396963/

[22:24] <ActionParsnip> nmvictor: does it create an event in xev ?
[22:24] <rahduke> xangua: where is the window list applet? do you mean my notification area?
[22:25] <nmvictor> abstrakt: i like emacs and i think i wanna stick with it
[22:25] <penguinv> <--- wants to learn how to read the syslog by myself.
[22:25] <nmvictor> ActionParsnip: how do i check that?
[22:25] <xangua> rahduke: no, your windwos list applet, where your windows appear....sic.......listed  horizontaly normaly in the inferior panel
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> nmvictor: run the command in terminal and press the enter key
[22:25] <squelos> jrib : and, any idea of how i could socksify a whole application thru my SSH tunnel ?
[22:26] <sam555> Gnea: can i cut and paste it the regular way?
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> nmvictor: xev shows the codes generated when the system recieves input
[22:27] <Gnea> sam555: is it not returning to the prompt?
[22:27] <jrib> squelos: well -D lets you create a port that you can point apps to, but maybe you are asking about tsocks?
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> nmvictor: does the enter key make an event?
[22:28] <sam555> Gnea: http://paste.ubuntu.com/396967/
[22:28] <squelos> yeah, i know about the -D. If i want to tunnel for example ports UDP port ranging from 200 to 300 thru my SSH tunnel, how should i do ?
[22:28] <nmvictor> ActionParsnip: ok, it works at the terminal, e.g w3m <followed_by_the_key> launches w3m, or did you mean a running command that leaves the terminal input open?
[22:28] <sam555> Gnea: that is from hand.  the pastebinit just returned the http://pastebin.com link without numbers
[22:28] <henkpoley> Is there any documentation on the "recovery+" system of 10.04 ? Is there anything I need to do after the empty screen blinking cursor ?
[22:28] <jrib> !10.04 | henkpoley
[22:28]  * penguinv flexes biceps to get attention.
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> nmvictor: leave the terminal open and press keys, you will see the output update with codes etc, once you knwo whats what, press the offending key
[22:29] <Losha> squelos: tuneling udp ports over ssh requires extra help, see udptunnel...
[22:29] <henkpoley> Also, there used to be a way to boot linux like boot=/bin/bash what is the equivalent for Ubuntu ?
[22:29] <sam555> Gnea: i need to relocate. brb in 15
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> henkpoley: i had that with a partition in fstab that wasnt physically present, also check xorg.conf if you made one
[22:30] <xubi> hi
[22:30] <nmvictor> ActionParsnip: i know what you are asking for, it works with command like you said but i dont have an example,would you please give me one common such command?
[22:30] <xubi> ubuntu 10.04 beta 1 is opened to download ?
[22:30] <henkpoley> ActionParsnip: I don't get *in* the system at the moment, I'll probably roll back (vmware) and try again later, but if I can fix it just by hacking in the regular ways I'd try that
[22:30] <Gnea> sam555: ok
[22:30] <chai> just got an "outofmemory" error in java. swap still not being used... i'm convinced something's up
[22:31] <squelos> losha : is udptunnel a chan ? or are u talking about a program ?
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> henkpoley: boot to liveCD then
[22:31] <henkpoley> I'll see if I have one around
[22:31] <llutz> squelos: a package: udptunnel - Tunnel UDP packets over a TCP connection
[22:31] <Losha> squelos: udptunnel is a program (apt-cache search udptunnel). SSH only tunnels tcp, you need udptunnel to tunnel udp packets....
[22:31] <xubi> ubuntu 10.04 beta 1 is opened to download ?
[22:32] <henkpoley> It's init=/bin/bash btw
[22:32] <squelos> yeah im just after ready. damn. thought it was gonna be easy.
[22:32] <gui1> hi everyone, i was wondering if i can see who is using what bandwidth in my home network
[22:32] <nonewmsgs> i am having a terrible time with ac'97 drivers.  i have tried numerous things and i just want to know if there are any cheap linux pci soundcards
[22:32] <PenguinV> I dont get any sound on this page.  http://spacemachines.net/ampache/   --- backstory = <penguinv> Computer not freezing today. difference? CD-drive empty. Been playing NO videos.: BUT today on igoogle page I see that the target ad only shows one tiny square -In Chrome. Wot in FF? FF shows none of the Target ad, says "must have Javascript enabled," Preferences says I do.  --- OK here's my syslog thing for today.   http://paste.ubuntu.com/396963
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> !shortcuts | nmvictor
[22:33] <xubi> ubuntu 10.04 beta 1 is opened to download ?
[22:33] <Losha> nonewmsgs: sound is always an issue with linux systems. Search newegg for cheap PCI cards and check the reviews to find one which people say works with ubuntu...
[22:34] <nmvictor> ActionParsnip: ok, it tried a command though i am not sure if it was the best example, but i dint see any characters
[22:34] <nonewmsgs> losha thanks
[22:34] <Gnea> PenguinV: why are you giving us syslog?
[22:34] <gui1> hi, how can i search for chat rooms in here?
[22:34] <Gnea> gui1: that question is better asked in #freenode
[22:34] <CharbeL> i installed adobe flash player for firefox but when i join an application in facebook it doesn't work properly can anyone help ?
[22:34] <PenguinV> Gnea because they asked me for it yesterday.. so I thought I'd plan ahead.
[22:34] <gui1> ok thanks
[22:35] <llutz>  gui1  /msg ALIS help
[22:35] <Losha> gui1: what are you looking for? Google irc + subject ...
[22:35] <Gnea> PenguinV: firefox and syslog do not tend to interact.
[22:36] <PenguinV> gui1 /list but look in the freenode window for you example. Warning might be long. could limit it by /list -something or other try help list
[22:36] <gui1> llutz, sorry i don't understand
[22:36] <Losha> PenguinV: I noticed your overly large biceps. There's nothing interesting in your syslog. Try #firefox...?
[22:36] <llutz>  gui1  type into your irc input-line:      /msg ALIS help
[22:36] <xubi> ubuntu 10.04 beta 1 is opened to download ?5D
[22:36] <Gnea> PenguinV: do you have any addons for firefox installed, like noscript?
[22:36] <gui1> Losha, i would like to know if there is a way to know who is using what bandwidth on my network
[22:36] <Gnea> gui1: don't.
[22:37] <llutz> !repeat >xubi  ask at #ubuntu+1
[22:37] <gui1> :S
[22:37] <PenguinV> gnea, I'm going to reboot and see it it changes. thanks for telling me that. (now that you mention it I remember I read that yesterday on a web page. so much to learn so little time. Yesterday it was freezing.)
[22:38] <Duncan-NC> 
[22:39] <Losha> gui1: um, see http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-linux.html
[22:40] <Gnea> gui1: so yeah, /msg alis help   will work
[22:41] <CharbeL> hi
[22:41] <CharbeL> anyone can help ?
[22:41] <The_Tick> with what?
[22:41] <CharbeL> i installed adobe flash player for firefox but when i join an application in facebook it doesn't work properly can anyone help ?
[22:41] <llutz> m(
[22:42] <digitalfiz> is there a tool for ubuntu like little snitch for osx?
[22:42] <The_Tick> CharbeL: does flash work on other sites?
[22:42] <The_Tick> digitalfiz: you're looking for a firewall I think
[22:42] <digitalfiz> a very verbal firewall
[22:42] <CharbeL> The_Tick, yes
[22:42] <necrologist> hi, could someone please tell me a command to recursively copy .epub files only?
[22:42] <gui1> Gnea, why did you tell me not to type that in the first place, is there a risk?
[22:42] <Vigo> CharbeL: Did you install it from the repositories?
[22:42] <llutz> gui1: its just a command to get help
[22:42] <gui1> Losha: thanks
[22:43] <sam555> gnea: i'm back.  Any ideas?
[22:43] <Gnea> gui1: had to make sure it was legit
[22:43] <CharbeL> Vigo, i installed it using terminal command
[22:43] <snxs> anyone know where i can download a linux-installer.sh for unreal tournament 2004 ?
[22:43] <nonewmsgs> the few ubuntu users said this is good.  anyone else have any opinion http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829130001&cm_re=sound_card_pci-_-29-130-001-_-Product
[22:43] <The_Tick> digitalfiz: why you'd actually want that, I don't know
[22:43] <Gnea> sam555: not seeing anything too odd, what about syslog?
[22:44] <The_Tick> digitalfiz: basically it's an outbound connection firewall which pauses connections to the network until they are approved
[22:44] <digitalfiz> The_Tick, just nice to get alerts when an application tries to make an outgoing connection without me giving permission first
[22:44] <sam555> Gnea: Can I just copy the whole thing again instead of pastebinit
[22:44] <The_Tick> so find something which is the equivalent
[22:44] <Vigo> CharbeL: Was it or is it a deb package and or did it come from an Official Source?
[22:44] <The_Tick> digitalfiz: try searching freshmeat first
[22:44] <gui1> llutz, i know now, but Gnea wasn't sure, my question is he/she was so cautious? is there a risk of something, what did he/she belive it could be?
[22:44] <The_Tick> ok, what is Landscape?
[22:45] <The_Tick> oh nevermind
[22:45] <The_Tick> some web app for updating servers
[22:45] <llutz> gui1: no idea, i  hadn't realized that i have to ask him before giving help
[22:45] <Gnea> sam555: pastebinit is really easier and safer, plus you can tell it to use a different pastebin site, just look at the manpage
[22:45] <sam555> Gnea: syslog or syslog 1 or syslog 2.gz?
[22:45] <Gnea> sam555: syslog
[22:45] <CharbeL> Vigo,  i donno
[22:45] <sam555> Gnea
[22:45] <sam555> kk
[22:45] <Vigo> CharbeL: I ask this because Adobe10 is in the Repositories, that is about as official or safe as you can get.
[22:45] <Losha> necrologist: you would use find e.g. something like: find . -name \*.epub -exec cp '{}' targetdir \; <-- note all the weird quotes and backslashes, they matter!
[22:45] <Gnea> gui1: some people like to troll
[22:46] <nmvictor> I installed ubuntu in my iBook which is what i am running but its <enter> key is disfunctional, so the is a key next to the arrow keys which has been finctioning as the return key, however, mocp and emacs cant detect this key for return functions, is their a workaround here?
[22:46] <Vigo> CharbeL: Did go to Adobe site and follow directions from there?
[22:47] <sam555> Gnea: I have to run some people off property.  brb :(
[22:47] <necrologist> Losha: thanks
[22:47] <CharbeL> Vigo, when i installed ubuntu there wasn't adobe flash package
[22:47] <Vigo> CharbeL: There is, now
[22:47] <Typos_King> CharbeL    you can install it from the repos ->   sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree;
[22:47] <CharbeL> Vigo, yes i used to search in the website it works the same
[22:48] <nmvictor> i get this errro during bootup and so my iBook wont connect to any wireless: eth1: error loading firmware agere_sta_fw.bin
[22:48] <Losha> nonewmsgs: those reviews for ubuntu are as good as it gets. The only way to do better would be to buy it locally from somewhere you could return it if it doesn't work...
[22:48] <gui1> Gnea, ok so there are no risks by typing anything here, are there? (except when i click an external link..)
[22:49] <Vigo> CharbeL: What Typos_King put is correct, or look in the Software Center and install it from there, I think 10 is the version.
[22:49] <Gnea> gui1: nope, alis is safe
[22:49] <Losha> digitalfiz: I'd like something like 'little snitch' for Ubuntu too. Did you find anything?
[22:50] <CharbeL> Typos_King,
[22:50] <CharbeL> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[22:50] <CharbeL>   flashplugin-nonfree
[22:50] <CharbeL> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:50] <CharbeL> Need to get 1,770B of archives.
[22:50] <CharbeL> After this operation, 41.0kB of additional disk space will be used.
[22:50] <FloodBot4> CharbeL: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:50] <The_Tick> which file do I configure the dns servers list in?
[22:50] <gui1> Gnea, ok but i mean in general, every chat is secure?
[22:50] <nonewmsgs> Losha, the other one i was looking at is this http://cgi.ebay.com/mini-USB-External-Sound-Card-Vista-XP-2000-Mac-Linux_W0QQitemZ120531636672QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c103ed1c0
[22:50] <Vigo> !pastebin | Charbel
[22:51] <madsen> I'm having a really weird Gnome related font issue here. If I type only numbers, they're rendered in serif, but once a letter is introduced, it all changes to sans (and I'm using a sans font)...
[22:51] <CharbeL> sorry
[22:51] <Vigo> Charbel: That looks correct , from what I could see of it.
[22:51] <CharbeL> ok Vigo
[22:51] <squelos> still having trouble ... i restarted the whole thing to get the keys to work but this is what i get after try to log in using the key i just created http://pastebin.com/txDYP5Fx
[22:52] <digitalfiz> Losha, the only thing i found is a brainstorming session at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/23333/
[22:53] <Losha> nonewmsgs: I'm not crazy about the ebay usb device. There's not even a model number, you only have their word for it that it works on "Linux". I'd go for the pci card...
[22:53] <acsia> hello
[22:53] <madsen> I've got screenshots of the font weirdness too: http://lillesvin.net/stuff/ff-fonts-1.png (without letters) and http://lillesvin.net/stuff/ff-fonts-2.png (with letters in the string). Anyone?
[22:53] <acsia> I have a question about disk transfer
[22:54] <nonewmsgs> losha thanks a lot bro!  i will go for the pci cards
[22:54] <acsia> when I transfer files to my pen drive, it goes from 20m/s to 3/4 and evertyhign is slow
[22:54] <acsia> cpu high etc...
[22:54] <madsen> I've googled and googled, but I can't seem to find anything on this particular font issue. :(
[22:54] <Lord-Readman> hello what package has Gnome > System > Admin > printing ?
[22:54] <Typos_King> madsen:    can't tell myself
[22:54] <Gnea> gui1: pretty much
[22:54] <acsia> it looks to be wa fault
[22:54] <madsen> Typos_King: ?
[22:54] <acsia> but can t figure out how to debug/solve this
[22:55] <Vigo> Lord-Readman: I think that is cups
[22:55] <acsia> tons online with nothing straighforward
[22:55] <madsen> Typos_King: You got it too?
[22:55] <Vigo> !cups | Lord-Readman
[22:55] <Losha> digitalfiz: thanks, I added my vote for it...
[22:55] <Typos_King> madsen:    could be many really
[22:56] <madsen> Typos_King: I'll be happy to try any idea you may have. I'm at my wits end here.
[22:56] <acsia> anybody?
[22:56] <Sato1> hello, i am new to ubuntu. Using Gnome
[22:56] <acsia> good tips on configuring hard drive
[22:56] <madsen> Typos_King: I installed KDE just to test. No problem there.
[22:56] <gui1> Gnea, ok thanks
[22:56] <darolu> Lord-Readman, system-config-printer?
[22:56] <Sato1> can anyone help me about how to keep and  delete chat logs ?
[22:57] <darolu> !enter | acsia
[22:58] <Vigo> Sato1: Is in a few logs. One is kept by this service, one is stored on your machine.
[22:58] <acsia> all my system goes down when data transfer is in progress, any clues?
[22:59] <Sato1> i am using linux, acer aspire. New to all these things
[22:59] <acsia> darolu, better?
[22:59] <Sato1> where can i find the logs on my machine ?
[22:59] <darolu> Sato1, /var/log
[23:00] <Sato1> thanks
[23:00] <Vigo> Sato1: Welcome to Freedom to be Free, Please take a long look at the Forums and Official Documentation.
[23:00] <madsen> No ideas for my font problem?
[23:01] <sam555> gnea: it's' faster to paste it all then for me to read how to make pastebinit work :(
[23:01] <Vigo> madsen: I saw Fonts, are you installing or adding fonts or is it a display thing?
[23:01] <Gnea> sam555: seriously, just:  cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit     it's a lot of text, so it will take a little time
[23:01] <darolu> acsia, yeah better, now we can see what you are talking about =) (earlier I only read "anybody?"); check how many free RAM you have with "free -m", if you are transfering a very large file, make sure the file-system you are writting to supports it.
[23:02] <madsen> Vigo: It's a display/rendering thing.
[23:02] <acovrig> !botsnack
[23:02] <Vigo> madsen: Do you have Desktop Effects enabled, there are three selections in that.
[23:02] <Gnea> sam555: but I'm seeing a similar problem where it's outputting the url
[23:03] <madsen> Vigo: http://lillesvin.net/stuff/ff-fonts-1.png vs. http://lillesvin.net/stuff/ff-fonts-2.png (it changes the rendering when I type a letter).
[23:03] <Gnea> sam555: try it like this:  cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[23:03] <acsia> darolu the transfer starts at 25 and goes down to 2 after 10/15s
[23:04] <acsia> top mention wa
[23:04] <acsia> but can't seem to find any info on configuration
[23:04] <Vigo> madsen: Yes, I see, what are the settings in the Effects area?
[23:05] <madsen> Vigo: By 'effects', you mean Compiz?
[23:05] <eremite> acsia, try using ONE line instead of several in a row, it makes it easier to read and follow.
[23:05] <markvandenborre> any recent problems with gmail and the firefox version in ubuntu 9.10?
[23:05] <Vigo> madsen: Right click desktop, look at Visual Settings
[23:05] <sam555> Gnea: http://paste.ubuntu.com/396983/
[23:05] <eremite> markvandenborre,  no, why would there be?
[23:06] <markvandenborre> eremite: because firefox and other gecko-based browsers crash out of it since tonight
[23:06] <markvandenborre> rather strange
[23:06] <madsen> Vigo: Same problem with Compiz off (no effects) and on (my own custom settings).
[23:06] <eremite> markvandenborre, FireFox and family have always worked for Gmail on my machines.  Always.
[23:06] <markvandenborre> eremite: same thing here
[23:07] <Vigo> madsen: Ok, it was a shot, let me look at the forums.
[23:07] <eremite> markvandenborre, sounds like a Mozilla problem, not an Ubuntu-specific problem.  Could also be on the server side of things, ie: Gmails fault.
[23:07] <sam555> Gnea: http://paste.ubuntu.com/396983/
[23:08] <sam555> Gnea: it worked with the -b to ubuntu pastebin
[23:08] <mustafa> I've installed OpenVPN on Ubuntu, and after installation when I go to the page to manage the client it asks me for the root username and password while there is no root on Ubuntu. And when I try to use my own username it refuses and says this account doesn't have permissions. Any ideas?
[23:08] <markvandenborre> eremite: I suspect it to be on the server side, since all gecko based browsers segfault
[23:08] <darolu> markvandenborre, open firefox's errors console with Ctrl+Shift+J while using gmail to see what the problem is.
[23:08] <madsen> Vigo: I've already searched the forums, but you may be luckier (or more skilled) at it. :)
[23:08] <Gnea> sam555: awesome. okay, what is the make/model of your projector?
[23:08] <madsen> Vigo: I even created a new user, just to see if it was there by default - it was. :-/
[23:08] <Vigo> madsen: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1114918&highlight=dektop+effects and more on the way....
[23:08] <markvandenborre> darolu: hard to do so when it segfaults after less than three seconds
[23:08] <Doorbuster> i have downloaded virtual box and start my session, but it says "FATAL: No bootable medium found!  system halted!  Any help?
[23:09] <ilovethislinuxst> help
[23:09] <darolu> markvandenborre, launching firefox from cli may give useful (or any) information too
[23:09] <mneptok> markvandenborre: works fne here in both Firefox and Prism. maybe you have an extension that's causing the problem?
[23:09] <ilovethislinuxst> help
[23:09] <eremite> Doorbuster, you have to set an iso or CD to boot first.
[23:09] <darolu> !ask | ilovethislinuxst
[23:09] <arand> Doorbuster: have you attavhed a bootable media to it?
[23:09] <markvandenborre> mneptok: no, other gecko-based browsers have the same issues (and no extensions)
[23:10] <markvandenborre> darolu: it segfaults, that's the only useful info I get
[23:10] <ilovethislinuxst> i need to know if i'm signed in
[23:10] <markvandenborre> on the cli
[23:10] <mneptok> markvandenborre: like i said, it works fine for me using both Firefox and Prism on 9.10.
[23:10] <markvandenborre> mneptok: thanks for that information
[23:10] <ilovethislinuxst> help
[23:10] <mneptok> markvandenborre: you're welcome.
[23:11] <archman> hello, guys - do you know if there's a way to get the remaining time from the "sleep" command? I want to get the remaining time for some script i'm doing. anything possible?
[23:11] <ilovethislinuxst> help
[23:11] <Doorbuster> I have looked in my old OS files, where do I need to look for or how do i set an ISO to boot first?
[23:11] <madsen> Vigo: I may be missing something, but how is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1114918&highlight=dektop+effects related to my problem?
[23:11] <mneptok> ilovethislinuxst: with what? signed in to what? what are you asking for help with?
[23:11] <CalmvsKhaos> ilovethislinuxst, its nice that they unbanned you, but saying help 3 times in a row isnt gonna help , now 4 times. ask the question already and wait
[23:12] <ilovethislinuxst> i need to know how to sign in to nickserve and what are you talking about banning?
[23:12] <mneptok> ilovethislinuxst: ask in #freenode
[23:12] <sam555> gnea: i'm looking at the syslog and i don't see the even that caused the projector crash.  That was between 8:00 am to 9:00 am.
[23:12] <ilovethislinuxst> ok, ty
[23:12] <sam555> Gnea: i think I'm gonna have to go and make it happen again so that it will show up in the log.
[23:12] <Vigo> madsen: #4, Picksen
[23:12] <madsen> ilovethislinuxst: /msg nickserv help
[23:12] <darolu> markvandenborre, I just checked and gmail works fine in my machine, you can use the binary you download from mozilla's website, see if that one fails too; it's really weird
[23:12] <eremite> Doorbuster, read the help documentation that came with VirtualBox or go to YouTueb and search for VirtualBox tutorials.  You should research an application before downloading it.
[23:12] <Vigo> madsen: srry, Picklesworth
[23:13] <Doorbuster> thanks
[23:13] <CalmvsKhaos> ilovethislinuxst, ummm im pretty sure my memory serves me right, but if not, nevermind :D
[23:13] <Gnea> sam555: I can see the reboot switches, but wasn't sure if that was due to the projector or not
[23:13] <eremite> Doorbuster, how to use virtual box http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-DiPRrE3Bg  This user uses windows, but everything is the same during setup.
[23:13] <pyro_> any gurus bored for a nvidia card issue?
[23:13] <ikonia> just ask the question
[23:13] <Doorbuster> Awesome!!  thanks a bunch!
[23:14] <Vigo> madsen: That person makes alot of sense, if you remember Beryl, then you will understand Compiz a little better.
[23:14] <eremite> Doorbuster, Google is yoru friend.  Usually, if you ask for help here someone is just going to google the answer and echo it in here.  Sometimes its easier if you just skip the whole irc step and just google it yourself.
[23:14] <markvandenborre> darolu: it seems to be a problem with all gecko based browsers I've tested so far
[23:14] <pyro_> I am running ubuntu 9.10 using a nvidia 7600 gs, before installing then nvid drivers, i had setup for tv out put and it worked fine, once i upgraded the tv went blue
[23:15] <markvandenborre> darolu: thanks for the help, but it's after midnight over here
[23:15] <markvandenborre> off to bed
[23:15] <Vigo> pyro_: Not BLUE! meep!
[23:15] <madsen> Vigo: Thanks, but I still don't get it. He's just talking about WM's/DE's. Nothing about font rendering issues that I can see...?
[23:15] <sam555> gnea: the reboots I did were before the 9:15 one.  I rebooted at 9:15 for software install.
[23:15] <sam555> Gnea: http://www.projectorcentral.com/Sony-VPD-MX10.htm
[23:16] <pyro_> the picture is still there but just extreme blue hue
[23:16] <claptrap> Anyone know how I can get Dolphin to just MOVE files when I drag them, without showing that little popup asking which action I wanna do?
[23:16] <sam555> Gnea: so do you need the reboot info from the projector?  I can make that happen in 20 min if that's ok.
[23:16] <FeiRuoWa> hi! jw...anybody have a good tofu recipe? query, please! ty!
[23:16] <Gnea> sam555: sounds good
[23:16] <msquared86> hey guys i have a wacom bamboo pen and i ahve it restricted to my left monitor but i have to use seperate x screens to do so and i would rather have twin view anyone know how i can use twin view and restrict my tablet to my one monitor?
[23:16] <MHz128> hello world
[23:17] <sam555> Gnea: also, do you want a better pastebin of xorg, or that also needs to be updated when I switch on the projector?
[23:17] <Vigo> madsen: Right, he is and is not, I would have to search the official Compiz and then Ubuntu sites to see what and where the error is, that is a bug, or appears to be, did you report it?
[23:17] <Gnea> sam555: just an FYI, I'm waiting for some hardware to show up, should be here any minute. I will need to shut the system down to install it at some point.
[23:17] <MHz128> what is the name of the program for recording videos(with audio) from the desktop? (rtpm streams more specifically)
[23:17] <Gnea> sam555: sure, both would be fine
[23:17] <sam555> Gnea: gotcha.  Will you be back on again?
[23:17] <Gnea> sam555: I'm always on :)
[23:17] <sam555> Gnea: awesome! your awesome!
[23:18] <sam555> gnea: i'm gonna move to the projector location.  see you in a bit
[23:18] <Gnea> ok
[23:18] <madsen> Vigo: I don't think the issue is related to Compiz, since it's also present when Compiz is turned off. (Even in EvilWM.)
[23:18] <shadyboy> hey guys. Just a quick question if anyone knows. I have an Xpress 1100 card in my labtop, and I know that the last "official" drivers for that card, is in Catalyst 9.3 . Thing I am wondering on, is if I can install Catalyst 9.3 in Ubuntu 8.04 LTS?
[23:19] <Soul_Sample> how can I change the default cpu freq scaling to 100%? it's always ondemand by default, and I don't like ondemand
[23:19] <Vigo> madsen: There is a bug reporting tool in Ubuntu.
[23:19] <Vigo> madsen: after re-boot?
[23:19] <Ghost1227> anyone know a way of changing the gnome panel icon under 9.10 that actually works?
[23:19] <madsen> Vigo: I would report it, but it wouldn't make much sense before I know a little more about where the bug is. Right now I only know it's probably related to Gnome/GTK - or the way they use the font rendering libraries.
[23:19] <madsen> Vigo: Well, after turning off Compiz and restarting X.
[23:20] <madsen> pyro_: Pyro? Of UrT / Pistols and Spas fame? :)
[23:20] <Vigo> madsen: Oh ok, you seem to know a bit, have you tried JWM , or Flux and such and tested the rendering om those?
[23:21] <pyro_> ....?
[23:21] <madsen> pyro_: Sorry, apparently not. Thought you were someone else. Sorry.
[23:21] <pyro_> its aight
[23:21] <pyro_> i get that alot
[23:21] <Ghost1227> no one huh
[23:21] <madsen> Vigo: Tried Fluxbox. Still there in the GTK apps (so a GTK issue I guess).
[23:21] <Soul_Sample> Ghost1227: if you mean the icon next to the Applications menu, the easiest way to change it is in ubuntu-tweak
[23:22] <pyro_> still no help with my tv out blue hint issue?
[23:22] <ruge> hey folks
[23:22] <Ghost1227> Soul_Sample: i read that it didn't work in 9.10
[23:22] <madsen> pyro_: If I knew, I'd help you. :)
[23:22] <Soul_Sample> Ghost1227: i changed it today in 9.10
[23:22] <ruge> "sudo nvidia-settings" is to access the nvidia driver as admin yes?
[23:22] <Vigo> madsen: Sure sounds like it, have yo9u tried a new spin like LXDE?
[23:22] <madsen> Vigo: Yup - still there.
[23:22] <Lord-Readman> Hi, cups and printer config were not the right packages
[23:23] <Losha> pyro_: all I can suggest is to review /var/log/dpgk.log to see what packages were upgraded, and to use synaptic to back out any upgrade that looks video-related...
[23:23] <Lord-Readman> looking for the package that has the Gnome > System > Admin > Printing
[23:23] <madsen> Vigo: Funny thing is, it's not present on my gf's netbook, but she upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 - I did a fresh install of 9.10.
[23:23] <Soul_Sample> is there a way to change the default cpu frequency in ubuntu?
[23:23] <dmdevotee> hay people
[23:24] <Vigo> madsen: Ok, is either Gnome, which it sounds like, or a hardware thing. I think the Launchpad Bug Report tool also interacts with Gnome, but let me confirm that.
[23:24] <Boondoklife> hay dmdevotee!
[23:24] <claptrap> Anyone know a way to just /move/ files in Dolphin without needing to go through the little menu that pops up?
[23:24] <dmdevotee> anybody knows if there is a plugin for gnome for "bit to bit" file comparison?
[23:24] <dmdevotee> or any software?
[23:24] <henkpoley> Soul_Sample: personally I just gave up about that, there are about 3 or 4 systems in parallel setting cpufreq
[23:25] <dmdevotee> for gnome commander?
[23:25] <madsen> Vigo: It's ok. I can check that out myself. Could be a hardware thing too - I AM on a MacBook.
[23:25] <Losha> dmdevotee: there are cli apps for file comparison e.g. cmp and/or diff if that's what you mean?
[23:25] <henkpoley> Soul_Sample: Though I had some success by manipulating the min and max frequencies that the kernel allows
[23:25] <pyro_> Losha: tryed to gedit that blank file, sry kinda noobish here
[23:25] <Soul_Sample> henkpoley: i know, it's really bugging me. the default is "ondemand", and it's not doing it for me, i would liek to make it 100%, BUT since I have 4 cores i have to use 4 cpu applets and it looks messy and unnecessary :S
[23:25] <nishanth> hey can someone tell me how to degrade to karmic kaola from lucid lynx?
[23:25] <Vigo> madsen: Ok, sounds more like Hardware, as you stated, it works fine on one, and not on yours.
[23:26] <dmdevotee> losha: yes, i mean, an app like "total commander"
[23:26] <jrib> !downgrade | nishanth
[23:26] <madsen> Vigo: Well, she did upgrade. Plus, I'm using some experimental repos (I like my apps fresh and buggy), so it could be both I guess.
[23:26] <CharbeL> Vigo, adobe flush player still not working properly
[23:26] <bartek> gg
[23:26] <daftykins> what logs would a hard lockup be shown in on Jaunty, post-reset?
[23:27] <Vigo> madsen: If you wanna sell that Mac, nevermind, I have one in the works now,,,
[23:27] <ruge> can someone help me with an nvidia problem? :O
[23:27] <jrib> ruge: best to just ask the channel your actual question (on a single line)
[23:27] <Losha> pyro_: open a terminal and type more /var/log/dpkg.log. In it, every package change is listed chronologically. If you know when you did the upgrade, find video-related packages (that's the hard part) that changed on that date and then use synaptic to install the previous version again...
[23:27] <dmdevotee> there is an option into total commander that compares files, and it gives "different" or "equal"
[23:27] <madsen> Vigo: Well, it's 3 years old and I'm NOT buying a Mac next time around. :)
[23:27] <CalmvsKhaos> eeeks there was both a xorg and kernel update recently!!, i really get nervous when updating those two, has anyone had any issues with it?
[23:27] <madsen> CharbeL: How is it "not working properly"?
[23:27] <Losha> dmdevotee: man cmp and man diff....
[23:28] <Vigo> CharbeL: Did you purge,remove the old package/file?
[23:28] <dmdevotee> but diff can make folders and selection?
[23:28] <ruge> I just installed 9.10 and got the latest 185 nvidia driver. I try to set my resolution using "sudo nvidia-settings" but everytime I want to save it says "failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'!
[23:28] <Vigo> madsen: going OT now, splitscreen.
[23:28] <CharbeL> madsen, facebook applications are not opening properly it always have lists missed
[23:28] <Losha> dmdevotee: diff can work on folders. Dunno what you mean by 'selection'?
[23:28] <sam555> Gnea: can you show me the command you had again?
[23:29] <CharbeL> Vigo, no
[23:29] <dmdevotee> i want a gui to do that, in fact, i am searching for a gui in every action on linux
[23:29] <madsen> Vigo: :) Thanks for your help. :)
[23:29] <sam555> Gnea: the one to get to paste to ubuntu pastebin?
[23:29] <CharbeL> how can i remove the old one ?
[23:29] <epaphus> hello... how can I disable the memory slot (sd card) in the OS level at ubuntu? also i need to disable wireless driver permanently and network driver. Possible?
[23:29] <ruge> VALIDATION ERROR:  Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[23:29] <jastor> hmm .. whicj of the scim-<blablabal> programs is it that popups the annoying "input help" popup in the lower right corner? killed all four applications before realizing i should see which ones which ;)
[23:29] <nishanth> so it there no way to downgrade to karmic kaola?
[23:29] <Gnea> sam555: cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[23:29] <Gnea> sam555: and my hardware just showed up
[23:29] <sam555> Gnea: thank you!
[23:29] <dmdevotee> losha, i mean, in a folder, compare some files with some files in other folder
[23:29] <Vigo> CharbeL: You may want to or need to do that, one moment let me find the page that explains that for you better.
[23:29] <jrib> nishanth: not supported, reinstall if you believe you must
[23:30] <Spaztic_One> Is there a way to install updates without needing to restart your computer; Karmic
[23:30] <jrib> Spaztic_One: sure, as long as you don't install a new kernel
[23:30] <CharbeL> ok Vigo
[23:30] <Gnea> Spaztic_One: the only reason you'd need to restart is if it installs a new kernel
[23:30] <madsen> Spaztic_One: Just don't restart it... You won't get the benefits of the new kernel, but logging out and back in should give you the benefits of the rest of the upgrades.
[23:30] <pyro_> Losha: how do i skip to the end :P
[23:31] <Spaztic_One> =\ I've had two or three updates lately that have said that I needed a restart for all of the updates to finish.
[23:31] <nishanth> too many problems with lucid lynx
[23:31] <Losha> dmdevotee: both cmp and diff can compare two files which you name...
[23:31] <Gnea> Spaztic_One: yeah, rebooting isn't essential as it is in windows, but it can't hurt. you could also tell the system not to install upgrades as much.
[23:31] <sam555> Gnea: http://paste.ubuntu.com/396991/
[23:31] <dmdevotee> thanks losha, but it's too uncomfortable for everyday use
[23:31] <Losha> pyro_: tail -100 /var/log/dpkg.log | more  will show the last 100 lines...
[23:32] <jrib> dmdevotee: what's your use case?
[23:32] <Losha> dmdevotee: you compare files daily?
[23:32] <madsen> Spaztic_One: All upgrades are completely installed BEFORE restart. It just won't boot your new kernel unless you restart (obviously).
[23:32] <Gnea> sam555: okay, did you try to plug it in then?
[23:32] <Losha> nishanth: it's beta code. By definition, it has problems...
[23:32] <nishanth> the login screen does not appear when i boot the computer
[23:32] <sam555> Gnea: http://paste.ubuntu.com/396992/
[23:32] <dmdevotee> no, but frecuently...
[23:33] <jrib> nishanth: #ubuntu+1 for help with lucid
[23:33] <Vigo> CharbeL: This may help, but still searching because you stated that you are in the discovery mode..and yes, there is a learning curve here, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1428223&highlight=remove+flash
[23:33] <sam555> Gnea: that was after it was plugged in and I had to rebooted
[23:33] <Losha> dmdevotee: why?
[23:33] <Gnea> sam555: okay. have you ever read this?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221908
[23:33] <sam555> Gnea: i plug it in and it does nothing.  I hit fn+f5 to switch to the projector and the screen on the laptop goes black.  the projector does not recognize it.  then it won't go back to the regular screen
[23:33] <madsen> lol, diff too uncomfortable for every day use? I don't think I've EVER heard that before.
[23:33] <dmdevotee> sometimes i don't want to know what differences are between some files, only want to know if the files are the same
[23:34] <Losha> dmdevotee: cmp does that...
[23:34] <jrib> dmdevotee: but *why*?
[23:34] <sam555> Gnea: have not...reading
[23:34] <dmdevotee> cause i like to have full control, and i get some files corrupted...
[23:34] <Losha> madsen: :-)
[23:34] <jrib> dmdevotee: that sounds ridiculous, fix the corruption issue then :)
[23:34] <CharbeL> ok thx Vigo
[23:34] <mark__> need help
[23:34] <madsen> dmdevotee: 'diff -q <file1> <file2>' - that'll just tell you whether or not they're the same.
[23:35] <Spaztic_One> When Lucid is out, is that going to be an update, or ..?
[23:35] <CalmvsKhaos> is there a way to create a separate /home if its already been created?
[23:35] <mark__> trying to install network driver from cd using synaptic and synaptic does not see the disk
[23:35] <jrib> dmdevotee: it really seems to me like you want to accomplish something else and think it's the best way when in fact it's probably not
[23:35] <CalmvsKhaos> i mean move my /home to a separate partition, not create
[23:35] <mark__> when i try to install get a error saying to insert the disk
[23:35] <Vigo> CharbeL: Maybe this one also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver
[23:35] <mark__> ubuntu sees it but for some reason synaptic does not
[23:35] <jrib> !separatehome | CalmvsKhaos
[23:36] <Vigo> CharbeL: I am still looking for the Flash one,,
[23:36] <CalmvsKhaos> jrib, ty
[23:36] <jrib> Spaztic_One: yes, update-manager will offer it to you
[23:36] <CharbeL> ok Vigo
[23:36] <dmdevotee> jrib: in fact, i am searching for a plugin or program, that does like the "sincronice directories" of total commander
[23:36] <TheMozart> how do I install Virtualbox in Ubuntu so I can install XP from Ubuntu?
[23:36] <jrib> dmdevotee: unison or rsync then
[23:37] <mark__> trying to install network from cd synaptic for some reason does not see the cd but ubuntu does
[23:37] <Losha> mark__: synaptic doesn't install from disk normally. Can you do a manual install from the files on the cd?
[23:37] <TheMozart> !virtualbox
[23:37] <n-iCe> hi, why when I use sudo zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc1 says permission denied :|
[23:37] <mark__> @losha how do i do that
[23:37] <dmdevotee> thanks!
[23:37] <Vigo> CharbeL: This is a little older, but the Restricted Extras does apply: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1067107.html
[23:37] <KruyKaze> how do i reconfigure grub in karmic?
[23:38] <jrib> n-iCe: because the redirection is being done by your shell which is run by your user.  Use something like: zcat file | sudo tee other-file
[23:38] <Losha> dmdevotee: so you're never going to tell us why you have so many corruptions?
[23:38] <jrib> !grub2 | KruyKaze
[23:38] <CharbeL> thx Vigo
[23:38] <dmdevotee> i dunno...
[23:38] <dmdevotee> i think
[23:38] <dmdevotee> it's a network media tank i have
[23:38] <Losha> mark__: depends on what's on the CD. Can you see its contents?
[23:38] <mark__> ?
[23:38] <mark__> ?
[23:39] <mark__> @losha yes its a ubuntu insstall disk
[23:39] <Vigo> CharbeL: The 3rd post on this one sorta explains the purge of Adobe. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1310288
[23:39] <dmdevotee> that corrupted a lot of isos
[23:39] <mark__> @losha ubuntu sees the disk fine synaptic does not
[23:39] <Losha> mark__: er, what exactly are you trying to install?
[23:39] <mark__> @losha network driver
[23:39] <Spaztic_One> jrib madsen Gnea :: Thanks for the info. =)
[23:39] <dmdevotee> and it's very useful on jdownloader
[23:40] <Vigo> CharbeL: /purge is a Terminal Command, and is very strong,
[23:40] <mark__> @losha i use a usb dvd drive
[23:40] <sharperguy> How do I just connect to a normal windows VNC server? All the documentation I can find just gives me special situations. I installed a client but it doesn't give me an option to authenticate
[23:40] <dmdevotee> because it extracyt everything in same folder
[23:40] <mark__> @losha does synaptic have issues with usb drives?
[23:40] <CharbeL> ok Vigo
[23:40] <CharbeL> thx
[23:40] <ePax> I can not get clear command to work in chrooted shell... /usr/bin/clear and clear_console exist but im getting this error clear: 'xterm': unknown terminal type
[23:40] <madsen> mark__: You have to enable the CD source in System > Administration > Software Sources - it's in the Ubuntu Software tab.
[23:41] <n-iCe> jrib:  I don't get it
[23:41] <dmdevotee> and i extract the files on a sub-folder, and then delete the files on the other folder (by comparing them)
[23:41] <mark__> @madsen ive done that
[23:41] <jrib> n-iCe: what don't you get exactly?
[23:41] <n-iCe> how to use it jrib
[23:41] <ReciprocalofZero> Why is it so hard to get devoiced/banned in here?
[23:41] <madsen> mark__: Have you pressed 'reload' in Synaptic?
[23:42] <jrib> n-iCe: instead of doing "sudo zcat X > Y" instead do "zcat X | sudo tee Y"
[23:42] <jrib> ReciprocalofZero: erm, what do you mean?
[23:42] <sam555> gnea: not sure if I gave you this one http://paste.ubuntu.com/396992/
[23:42] <ReciprocalofZero> I want to make this my BIOS boot screen: http://www.madonnashots.com/hp1.jpg
[23:42] <mark__> @madsen yes i can see the update cannot install it synaptic is not seeing the cd
[23:42] <pyro_> ok, asking again tv out is has a harsh blue tint, happened when install of nvid drivers, before was fine
[23:42] <jrib> ReciprocalofZero: ok?
[23:42] <jrib> ReciprocalofZero: what does that have to do with banning people?
[23:43] <madsen> mark__: Oh, in that fashion. Does it give you any errors?
[23:43] <n-iCe> jrib:  sudo zcat boot.img.gz | sudo tee /dev/sdc1
[23:43] <Losha> pyro_: what drivers were you using before you installed the nvidia drivers?
[23:43] <jrib> n-iCe: no need to sudo at the beginning
[23:43] <Vigo> CharbeL: I do not care who says or directs you to run a command, use common sense and make backups, one mistake or one letter in a terminal can pretty much wipe a system of all or basic data.
[23:43] <pyro_> Losha: whatever the ubuntu install had i guess, installed nvid to use desktop effects
[23:43] <mark__> @madsen yes please insert the disk labeled ubuntu 9.10 karmic koala release i386 in drive /cdrom/
[23:44] <jrtayloriv> My sound works fine unless I have headphones plugged in. How can I diagnose and fix this?
[23:44] <Vigo> CharbeL: And that is not just Ubuntu, that is any OS.
[23:44] <jrib> n-iCe: except I guess you probably don't want the junk also printed to stdout, so maybe redirect stdout to /dev/null, or just use sudo -i, do what you must with the redirection, and then get out
[23:45] <CharbeL> ok Vigo
[23:45] <madsen> mark__: And you're sure that your cdrom is mounted on /cdrom and not /media/cdrom (or /media/cdrom0)?
[23:45] <mark__> @madsen ill check
[23:45] <Losha> pyro_: look in /etc/X11. Is there an xorg.conf and an xorg.conf.bak or something like it?
[23:45] <cdsboy> can some help me figure out how to make /dev/sdc1? It is supposed to exist but for some reason when i start up it isn't given a device page. Relevant info here http://pastebin.com/MqkMjwbs
[23:46] <mark__> @madsen for some reason i have two cd roms drives
[23:46] <mark__> listed
[23:46] <Vigo> CharbeL: Take a look at and most likely download this PDF, it has been around for a while and is very useful. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1052065&highlight=user
[23:46] <pyro_> Losha: there is one i had to manually save it to get tv out working again as the nvid wouldnt let me save
[23:46] <madsen> mark__: I bet that's the problem. Synaptic's (ie. APT) is looking at the wrong one.
[23:47] <bagz> connect
[23:47] <mark__> @madsen removed second one still not working
[23:47] <n-iCe> jrib: a lot of weird characters and sybols are being showed is it normal
[23:47] <jrib> n-iCe: yes, see my last message
[23:47] <mark__> @madsen second one was my flash drive i use u3
[23:47] <madsen> mark__: Removed?!? What? How?
[23:47] <mark__> @madsen read above
[23:48] <madsen> mark__: Oh, but still... Do you have both /cdrom and /media/cdrom ?
[23:48] <Losha> pyro_: I think you can edit the file to not use the nvidia drivers. Can you paste your current xorg.conf to http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[23:48] <madsen> mark__: What does 'ls -l /cdrom' give you?
[23:49] <neezer> is there a way to tell if I have LAMP on my server at home? I did a desktop install, so I doubt it but I'd like to know.
[23:49] <CharbeL> ok Vigo thx for helping
[23:49] <dmdevotee> hey please, how can i execute unison or rsync??
[23:49] <pyro_> Losha: how i give you a link?
[23:49] <tuxuser> cdsboy: you don't "make" sdc1, it comes up automagically. If it doesn't show there's likely a hw problem... cabmes or disk dying
[23:50] <mark__> root root 11 2010-03-17 15:17 /cdro > media/cdrom
[23:50] <Losha> pyro_: just type the url it gave you here.
[23:50] <madsen> mark__: Ok, cool.  You /dev/sdd and /dev/sde look a mess though...
[23:50] <haavaros> Hi everyone! I'm trying to make a USB live "disk" from an image on a network share on LAN. I can't find the path to it, but the link to the share is on my desktop and I have access. What do I do now?
[23:51] <mark__> @madsen i had this very same problem before the way it was fixed was someone had me re add the cdrom drive
[23:51] <madsen> neezer: LAMP is Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP, so look for those. If you're running Ubuntu, you can put a check mark next to 'Linux'. :)
[23:51] <CharbeL> thx
[23:51] <mark__> @madsen i had wipped out my cdrom and we have to readd it once that happend it worked
[23:51] <Thuuugs> Just wanted to confirm the ubuntu kernel 2.6.31-20 has trim enabled or?
[23:51] <tuxuser> neezer: search for apache mysql and php or perl in the package manager.
[23:51] <Take0n> I don't know what I have done but everytime I login to ubuntu I have to manually run metacity and then compiz settings otherwise I have no window borders etc. can this be solved somehow?
[23:52] <Thuuugs> or is there a way if i grab <IP_ADDRESS> from kernel.org that I can enable trim within ubuntu?
[23:52] <gerrin> is there anyway that i can see someone on my networks itunes library and transfer files with my ubuntu laptop
[23:52] <Losha> pyro_: line 60 is where it tells your system to use the nvidia driver. Any idea what the previous xorg.conf had for that line?
[23:52] <Thuuugs> apparently its disabled by default and the ubuntu team enabled it?
[23:52] <neezer> tuxuser, madsen, is this what I would use to put a website on my home server?
[23:52] <cdsboy> Losha: it won't mount, see bottom on the log
[23:52] <madsen> mark__: Hmm... I'm sorry. I'm afraid I'm all out of ideas. :(
[23:52] <tuxuser> dmdevotee: apt-get install rsync && man rsync
[23:53] <pyro_> Losha: i didnt back up before saving, so no idea, i imagine default drivers of some sort
[23:53] <madsen> Losha: Doesn't xorg.conf get backed up automatically when it's overwritten by a script?
[23:53] <madsen> Losha: Oh nvm, I see now that it wasn't overwritten by a script.
[23:53] <cdsboy> Losha: and i realize the others are messed up xD
[23:54] <tuxuser> neezer: short answer is: yes, most open source cms are written in php and require apache + mysql, e.g. joomla
[23:54] <mark__> is there a way for me to put a driver from synaptic onto a usb drive and install it on another computer
[23:54] <Losha> madsen: pyro_: yeah, it's supposed to make a backup. I think pyro_ overwrote it though. Try "nv" instead, I *think* that's the default nvidia driver...
[23:54] <neezer> thanks tuxuser
[23:55] <eremite> how do I access synaptic packages via the terminal?
[23:55] <tuxuser> neezer: glad to help :-)
[23:55] <madsen> eremite: apt-get and apt-cache. :)
[23:55] <terry_> mark__: Sure
[23:55] <mark__> how would i go about doing it?
[23:55] <pyro_> Losha: well i guess i will type it in and save and see what happens?
[23:55] <Losha> cdsboy: definitely not normal, I dunno what to do about it. Have you tried rebooting?
[23:55] <eremite> madsen, I know apt-get.  Does apt-cache read the list of packages?
[23:56] <terry_> mark__: Just tell synaptic to just download.
[23:56] <LongDouble> how do I block someone on empathy?
[23:56] <LongDouble> help
[23:56] <cdsboy> Losha: yes.
[23:56] <Losha> pyro_: well, keep a backup copy of the one that (almost) working, in case we mess it up royally...
[23:56] <terry_> mark__: Download only.
[23:56] <tuxuser> eremite: aptitude search <some name>, then apt-get -s install <package> just to see what would be downloaded and installed, then apt-get install <package> to actually install it.
[23:56] <madsen> eremite: You mean, like searching?
[23:57] <pyro_> Loasha: well if i can see anything after reboot i'll be back in a min
[23:57] <eremite> tuxuser, madsen : I want to look at a complet list of packages in synaptic, not do a keyword search nor search for a specific package and dependancies.  Is it possible to list the entire list of packages with one command?
[23:57] <tuxuser> mark_: download the .deb file containing the driver, and copy that file to the usb stick.
[23:57] <Losha> pyro_: don't need to reboot, just restart the X server....
[23:57] <haavaros> I'm trying to make a live USB, but with the disk creator i can't browse to my server on my LAN to specify the iso image. Any way I can change that?
[23:58] <Blue1> how to you create a volume label in ubuntu (i.e. how do you have a hard drive a name/label?)
[23:58] <jrib> !label | Blue1
[23:58] <Losha> cdsboy: the only thing that occurs to me is maybe the volume needs to be chkdsk'ed. You need a windows system for that....
[23:58] <Aggrav8d> hi, ubuntu.  I just got my brand new box and before I go install crazy i wanted to get some advice.  basically, i want to run win7 and ubuntu at the same time.  my understanding is i need vmware to do this.  correct?
[23:58] <madsen> eremite: Hmm, I don't know actually... I know how to list all installed packages from a command line, but to just list all packages...? Sorry, no.
[23:59] <pyro_> Losha: ok how.....
[23:59] <jrib> Aggrav8d: vmware is one option
[23:59] <jrib> !virtualizers | Aggrav8d
[23:59] <Vigo> pyro_: There is a list at Debian and Ubuntu.
[23:59] <Blue1> thanks
[23:59] <madsen> eremite: apt-cache search ".*"   gives me 29262 results. My guess is that's all packages (in my repos).
[23:59] <Aggrav8d> jrib - i'd still like to be able to play some of th newer games.  what do you recommend?
[23:59] <Myrtti> Aggrav8d: at the same time, or on the same computer?
[23:59] <digitalfiz> Aggrav8d, i recommend virtualbox its free and works perfect
[23:59] <MozillaGuerrilla> Tried doing a ubuntu install on a XP system & I kept hitting a blue "UNMOUNTABLE_BOOT" screen. Finally I F1'd it into a BIOS setting but still cldnt manage to do it. Anything anyone can think of to help get past this problem? The guy said the printer wldnt print anythng from the HD, Im thinking the Hard disc must be fried?