[07:13] <coz_> good day
[14:46] <Amaranth> DBO: 3-5" of snow in dallas tomorrow :/
[15:58] <AbsintheSyringe> what's unity team email address
[15:58] <AbsintheSyringe> I want to repackage unity for Debian and I need this field correct
[17:46] <coz_> hey guys.. ok so ,, what about that eye sore icon  in ccsm for unity plugin?
[17:48] <coz_> what that icon actually does is  create a visual bug in ccsm
[17:49] <coz_> I see two ways of dealing with this... either remove it and put in the original icon  or  create a an entire set of icons based on the ubutu unity icon for that ...any opinions?
[17:50] <coz_> the problem with the second option is that there would have to be 2 sets of icons...one for 11.04  ccsm and one for  classic gnome ccsm ... I dont know how easy that would be to  switch depending on which desktop is being used
[17:52] <coz_> rather one for  unity desktop and one for classic gonme desktop


[23:42] <bjorkintosh> jrib, when it's crashing, everything freezes and i can't do anything at all!
[23:43] <bruenig> edbian: calm down
[23:43] <epicreviews> edbian, I guess I'm screwed then because I remember doing that and it failed
[23:43] <jrib> bjorkintosh: what video drivers?
[23:43] <moymoy> epicreviews: what error messages do you get?
[23:43] <edbian> StrangeCharm: /bin is system binaries.  /sbin is binaries that can only be run as root.
[23:43] <erUSUL> StrangeCharm: sbin holds binaries only intended for root to run
[23:43] <jrib> !lfs > StrangeCharm
[23:43] <bjorkintosh> jrib, it's an old machine from 2005.
[23:43] <frib__> StrangeCharm: /bin are usually static binaries
[23:43] <mickster04> jrib, you legend!!
[23:43] <bjorkintosh> never had problems with it until now.
[23:43] <mickster04> just gona check youtube works
[23:43] <jrib> !fhs > StrangeCharm
[23:43] <funcky1> jrib: like i said it just comes up in dialogue windows
[23:43]  * jrib wonders how that happened
[23:43] <bruenig> lfs is linux from scratch, what is this ubottu heresy?
[23:43] <edbian> epicreviews: Do you remember any errors it threw?  What exactly is your problem?
[23:43] <epicreviews> edbian: E: The package portos-archive-keyring needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[23:43] <jrib> bruenig: I was 2 for 3!
[23:44] <erUSUL> bruenig: linux standar base --> lfs
[23:44] <l33tHAXOR6669> why is my wlan light blinking like crazy?
[23:44] <l33tHAXOR6669> it should be solid
[23:44] <bruenig> epicreviews: apt-get update
[23:44] <mickster04> jrib, awesome man, ill remember that one!
[23:44] <jrib> StrangeCharm: ignore ubottu's first message of course...
[23:44] <StrangeCharm> thanks for those explanations and links, edbian erUSUL frib__ jrib
[23:44] <gartral> moymoy: here have a screen shot http://imagebin.org/56055
[23:44] <mickster04> cookie | jrib
[23:44] <edbian> epicreviews: Is that dpkg saying it can't find an archive?  Or is that you.
[23:44] <mickster04> !cookie | jrib
[23:44] <epicreviews> that's dpkg
[23:44] <epicreviews> @edbian
[23:44] <mickster04> jrib, thats been doin my head in for ages!!!!
[23:45] <moymoy> gartral: i just inserted a CD and i know what you're talking about
[23:45] <edbian> epicreviews: Odd.  Try using the CD as a repo?
[23:45] <l33tHAXOR6669> anyone here work for ubuntu, or are we just users?
[23:45] <edbian> epicreviews: Although I'm not sure that package is on the CD at all.
[23:45] <moymoy> gartral: that sucks... but not much i can do for you
[23:45] <jrib> !ot | l33tHAXOR6669
[23:45] <epicreviews> edbian, it's not an official .deb file I installed
[23:45] <notRoot> I am trying to install VMware Player but, I dont know which to download. My choices are .rpm and .bundle
[23:45] <nouri> hi
[23:45] <gartral> moymoy: yea... how do I get them too go away... and never rear there ugliness ever again?
[23:45] <epicreviews> I'm aware of my past mistakes, I'm trying to undo them
[23:45] <l33tHAXOR6669> -_-
[23:45] <edbian> epicreviews: Can you sudo dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> ??
[23:45] <jrib> funcky1: ok, but it might be helpful for me to tell you if it happens here as well
[23:45] <phix> hey
[23:46] <bruenig> epicreviews: dpkg -r --force-all portos-archive-keyring
[23:46] <phix> I am having issues getting an Upsonic DS1000 UPS working in Ubuntu
[23:46] <bjorkintosh> i really wish i'd split my disk into partitions from the beginning...
[23:46] <phix> any one had experience with this device?
[23:46] <l33tHAXOR6669> stupid wlan lights....i guess ill know all the packets coing into my pc
[23:46] <StrangeCharm> so, jrib, the best place to put a piece of software that i have download and compile myself is /opt ?
[23:46] <bjorkintosh> replacing this ... crap with plain old debian would have been a snap.
[23:46] <notRoot> phix: what kind of problems?
[23:46] <moymoy> gartral: i don't know.. i have that problem myself.. but i did take out all the buttons and left the location bar to make nautilus look a bit nicer
[23:46] <bruenig> StrangeCharm: just make a deb out of it
[23:46] <jrib> StrangeCharm: well I like /usr/local/ for unixy software and /opt for "other" stuff
[23:46] <gartral> !attitude | bjorkintosh
[23:47] <notRoot> I am trying to install VMware Player but, I dont know which to download. My choices are .rpm and .bundle
[23:47] <bjorkintosh> eh. i know.
[23:47] <epicreviews> edbian and bruenig, both commands failed
[23:47] <jrib> !vmware > notRoot
[23:47] <bjorkintosh> i'm terribly frustrated is all.
[23:47] <gartral> moymoy: i use the buttons daily, but these dumby bars are really getting on my nerves
[23:47] <zanberdo> hoping for some help with a problem I'm having with mail. specifically I have a server which I have configured with postfix and mailx. Postfix has been configured for local only mail, but when I send mail to myself and check it with mail I find nothing waiting. I'm not that familiar with diagnosing this (it's always just worked on other servers).
[23:47] <bruenig> epicreviews: what it say
[23:48] <epicreviews> bruenig: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove portos-archive-keyring, only the config
[23:48] <epicreviews>  files of which are on the system.  Use --purge to remove them too.
[23:48] <StrangeCharm> bruenig-  that's beyond my level of expertise. also, i don't have all the 'twiddly bits' like the /etc/init.d script, or getting it to run at boot sorted yet, in fact, i was looking for somewhere to put it long-term *before* i wrote those
[23:48] <notRoot> jrib: My proff uses VMware and I need to be 100% that he will be able to run my files at the end of term
[23:49] <jrib> notRoot: I understand, was ubottu's link not helpful?  He should have sent you instructions
[23:49] <bruenig> StrangeCharm: deb is probably the hardest package format to make of any, but it is still doable
[23:49] <erUSUL> !checkinstall | StrangeCharm
[23:49] <epicreviews> bruenig, any other suggestions?
[23:50] <epicreviews> or anyone actually, I'm guessing a complete reinstall of Ubuntu will be neccessary
[23:50] <gastaufdemast> bye @ll
[23:50] <notRoot> jrib: eh... it offered alternatives but, I must use VMware. If I cant use VMware I will have to use an OS so terrible I will not speak of it
[23:50] <jrib> notRoot: ubottu also gave you a link
[23:50] <erUSUL> !vmware
[23:51] <bruenig> epicreviews: deb is fickle, I would mess around in /var to get rid of all the stuff myself
[23:51] <erUSUL> notRoot: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[23:51] <bucky> epicreviews: portos-archive-keyring isn't even in the repos for jaunty.. where did you get it?
[23:51] <gartral> moymoy: I have a DAP plugged in, and when i brose the folder it mounts too, it says in these obnoxiously huge bars "These files are on a Picture CD" and "These files are on a digital audio player" the first is wrong, the second is obvious
[23:51] <gartral> sorry moymoy
[23:51] <epicreviews> bruenig, would you consider using remote control to do it for me?
[23:51] <notRoot> jrib: Ohh
[23:51] <mrwes> heh
[23:51] <spikemcc> !paste
[23:51] <jrib> epicreviews: I wouldn't recommend giving anyone on irc access to your computer
[23:52] <epicreviews> bucky, I got it from a friend, we were working on something, he encoded the .deb wrong. We all make mistakes, just trying to fix it
[23:52] <gartral> OK I have a DAP plugged in, and when i browse the folder it mounts too, it says in these obnoxiously huge bars "These files are on a Picture CD" and "These files are on a digital audio player" the first is wrong, the second is obvious heres a screen shot http://imagebin.org/56055 how do i get them to gtfa
[23:52] <epicreviews> jrib: they don't know my sudo password, so I'm good
[23:52] <Hattory> #mac
[23:52] <Hattory> sorry
[23:52] <jrib> epicreviews: in that case how would the person accomplish anything?
[23:53] <epicreviews> I would type the pass jrib... but only when it's safe to.
[23:53] <jrib> epicreviews: you're free to ignore my advice, but it's not a good idea
[23:54] <jrib> epicreviews: fwiw bruenig is a regular
[23:54] <epicreviews> jrib, it's either remote control or kill Ubuntu
[23:54] <moymoy> epicreviews: sudo rm -v /var/lib/dpkg/info/portos-archive-keyring*  .. then do the same thing here  sudo rm -v /var/cache/apt/archives/portos-archive-keyring* .. then go to synaptic and purge that program
[23:54] <fccf> epicreviews: I'd give remote a try if you like ... I am extremly fast at figuring things out
[23:55] <bruenig> moymoy is ruining my fun
[23:55] <bruenig> jrib!
[23:55] <moymoy> bruenig: lol you're sshing his computer?
[23:56] <bruenig> nah, I just ignored him when he said to remote, but still
[23:56] <epicreviews> moymoy your method failed as well
[23:56] <epicreviews> "no such file or directory"
[23:56] <moymoy> for which command?
[23:56] <bruenig> giggle
[23:56] <moymoy> epic for which command?
[23:56] <spikemcc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/219366/ here are xorg.conf to help me reconfigurate mine ... 1st and 2nd are for the same hardware as me, 3rd is my xorg.conf but graphic part is bugged and the last one is another hardware setup xorg.conf but with mesa open source driver to help me reconfigurate my xorg.conf with that open source driver
[23:57] <moymoy> epicreviews: for which command?
[23:57] <spikemcc> can you help me make a new xorg.conf that will work well ?
[23:57] <epicreviews> moymoy: BOTH
[23:58] <StrangeCharm> how are init.d scripts constructed?
[23:58] <bucky> StrangeCharm: with an editor
[23:58] <bruenig> StrangeCharm: vim!
[23:58] <moymoy> epicreviews: has to be in there if you installed with a deb
[23:58] <StrangeCharm> bucky-  thanks for that :p is there a ref document for their structure
[23:59] <jrib> StrangeCharm: take a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton
[23:59] <epicreviews> moymoy... remember this isn't official and it went buggy
[23:59] <bruenig> StrangeCharm: just take a look at the ones in /etc/init.d
[23:59] <bruenig> should respond to start,restart,stop
[23:59] <bruenig> maybe reload too?
[23:59] <bruenig> who knows
[23:59] <StrangeCharm> bruenig-  i obviously use xemacs, because it's a superior editor in every way :p
[23:59] <erUSUL> StrangeCharm: /etc/init.d/skeleton <<< this is an example
[23:59] <StrangeCharm> thanks jrib
[23:59]  * jrib regrets helping the heathen


[17:30] <viperhoot> goooool !
[17:33] <kuadrosx> goool
[17:33] <kuadrosx> xD
[17:33] <viperhoot> kuadrosx: o/
[17:33] <viperhoot> goooooool !
[17:34] <kuadrosx> jejeje


[01:34] <mmcc> ok, that's enough for today
[08:17] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, folks! :-D
[08:48] <mandel> morning all!
[11:14] <gatox> good morning!
[11:24] <mandel> gatox, hola!
[11:24] <gatox> mandel, feliz cumpleaños!! :D
[11:24] <gatox> mandel, i can't believe you are already here jejej
[11:24] <mandel> gatox, gracias!
[11:25] <mandel> gatox, I'm getting too old for this hehehe
[11:25] <gatox> jejej
[11:28] <gatox> mandel, i'm not going to deny that you are old......
[11:28] <gatox> jejjee
[12:14] <alecu> hello all!
[12:15] <alecu> hola mandel, happy happy, joy joy!
[12:16] <mandel> alecu, lol thx!
[12:16] <gatox> alecu, hi
[12:18] <mandel> I'm off to have lunch :)
[12:18]  * mandel lunch
[12:37] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:38] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[13:41] <ralsina> gatox: you are in trouble mister
[13:42] <gatox> ralsina, oh oh.....
[13:42] <gatox> ralsina, what happend?
[13:42] <ralsina> gatox: I just approved your NZ trip and now you don't have enough free days left to cover the company christmas shutdown
[13:42] <ralsina> gatox: you are going to have to work national holidays
[13:42] <gatox> ralsina, i have one holiday and a couple of remaining swap before the end of the year
[13:43] <alecu> gatox: stop slacking!
[13:43] <ralsina> gatox: what swaps? ;-)
[13:43] <ralsina> gatox: remember that you have to load the swaps before you swap them (not sure if you did that)
[13:44] <gatox> ralsina, obtober 12, november 20, december 8 still didn't happend
[13:44] <ralsina> gatox: ok, so you are going to work national holidays. Ok!
[13:44] <gatox> ralsina, yap!
[13:44] <gatox> that was the plan
[13:44] <ralsina> gatox: just so you can see hobbiton
[13:45] <ralsina> gatox: ;-)
[13:45]  * gatox is tooooo excited about this trip .P
[13:45] <gatox> :P
[13:45] <briancurtin> ralsina: as an alternative to working the nat'l holidays in that case, it's also an option to not work the holiday but also not get paid for that day, right?
[13:45] <ralsina> gatox: feel free to setup the swaps in canonicaladmin soon so we don't forget
[13:45] <ralsina> briancurtin: yes, I think
[13:45] <gatox> ralsina, ok...... doing it now!
[13:45] <ralsina> briancurtin: but I think unpaid vacation is frowned upon
[13:46] <briancurtin> certainly
[13:46] <alecu> gatox: and august 20, too: http://bit.ly/feriados-AR-2012
[13:46] <gatox> alecu, i'm going to take that one :P i only need 3
[13:46] <gatox> jeje
[13:46] <briancurtin> ralsina: how many days do we need to keep around for the christmas shutdown?
[13:47] <ralsina> briancurtin: depends on what days are holidays where you live
[13:47] <alecu> gatox: and do you have enough days for pyconar and for pyday?
[13:47] <ralsina> for example in the UK the 26th is a holiday, and here in .ar it isn't
[13:47]  * mandel back
[13:47] <gatox> alecu, pyday is on saturday, and i'm going to skip pycon for this
[13:48] <alecu> gatox: makes a lot of sense :-)
[13:53] <mandel> gatox, so you are going to pycon nz and not ar..
[13:54] <gatox> mandel, yap..... when i realize you were coming to this one, i cancel the trip
[13:54] <gatox> jejeje
[13:54] <beuno> mandel, I think gatox sees it as PyCon LOR
[13:54] <gatox> mandel, but you can come a couple of days to cordoba if you want ejeje
[13:55] <mandel> gatox, ein.. probably not hehe
[13:55] <mandel> I'm going o also have problems with holidays at the end of the year..
[13:55] <gatox> mandel, jeje
[14:08] <ralsina> mandel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkEhWVazBqc !
[14:08] <mandel> ralsina, puf.. we also had those here.. miliki era un pesado!
[14:08] <mandel> :)
[14:35] <mmcc> hi folks. bit of a late start this morning…
[14:35] <dobey> hi mmcc
[14:38] <briancurtin> rebooting...suddenly i have no sound, which is great
[14:53] <briancurtin> for hangout, besides mandel's personal gmail, does anyone have any special address to be invited from?
[14:54] <briancurtin> (i still haven't figured out the automatic hangout, doing this one manually)
[14:54] <ralsina> briancurtin: my personal gmail too
[14:54] <ralsina> briancurtin: roberto.alsina @ gmail
[14:54] <alecu> alecura @
[14:55] <gatox> diego.sarmentero @
[14:55] <mmcc> michael.mccracken@
[14:58] <ralsina> my chromium is "having trouble connecting to the plugin"
[14:59] <gatox> alecu, ralsina a small review if you can: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/menu/+merge/118117 (i'm doing this in small independent branches, to avoid complex and long branches :P)
[14:59] <ralsina> gatox: sure
[15:00] <ralsina> Sorry people, my hangout is broken
[15:00] <ralsina> so mumble
[15:01] <thisfred> let's hope mumble doesn't crash my compiz again then ;)
[15:01] <dobey> probability of mumble being broken for someone is very high
[15:01] <dobey> also
[15:01] <dobey> don't forget joshuahoover this time
[15:02] <ralsina> joshuahoover: we are in mumble
[15:02] <ralsina> joshuahoover: because my hangout exploded
[15:02] <ralsina> and thisfred ping
[15:02] <thisfred> ping?
[15:02] <ralsina> oh, you joined
[15:02] <ralsina> nevermind
[15:17] <briancurtin> alecu: two metaclasses - one in ipc impl, one in an ipc test
[15:20] <alecu> briancurtin: I'd be very happy if we get rid of those before porting to 3
[15:22] <briancurtin> alecu: that was my first thought. get rid of it if we can, if not, port it
[15:48] <thisfred> buenas vacaciones manuel!
[15:49] <dobey> heh
[15:49] <ralsina> thisfred: tu español está mejorando!
[15:49] <thisfred> yo sabe! :P
[15:49] <thisfred> sabo
[15:49] <thisfred> doh
[15:49] <ralsina> and there goes the neighborhood ;-)
[15:49] <ralsina> sé
[15:50] <ralsina> irregular verb
[15:50] <thisfred> ah
[15:50] <thisfred> hate those
[15:50] <dobey> it's spanish. all the verbs are irregular
[15:50] <thisfred> hoy como con el juez
[15:50] <ralsina> thisfred: o the 5 most used verbs in spanish only 3 are irregular!
[15:51] <dobey> heh
[15:51] <thisfred> ralsina, much better than Dutch then
[15:51] <ralsina> or english where verb conjugation is basically luck
[15:51] <dobey> ralsina: doing a test build in pbuilder of cp with the scrollbar patch, and will upload to q when it's done building (so in like 3 hours or so because for some reason it's insanely slow for me now)
[15:51] <dobey> and with that, off to lunch :)
[15:51] <thisfred> yeah, english is not really a language
[15:51] <ralsina> dobey: awesome!
[15:51] <ralsina> thisfred: he
[15:52] <thisfred> buen almuerzo
[16:05]  * gatox lunch!
[17:18] <dobey> ugh; marking a bug as a dup in lp is now more work :-/
[17:18]  * briancurtin lunch
[17:18] <dobey> gatox: please file bugs as bugs, not as tasks
[17:19] <gatox> dobey, ok
[17:19] <dobey> ie, describe the problem, not the fix
[17:21] <gatox> dobey, like this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1032659
[17:24] <dobey> gatox: "There is no way to access recent and current transfers information over IPC." might be a better description, and the summary should summarize the problem as well, not the solution :)
[17:26] <dobey> hrmm, i wonder if the pbuilder and apt-get speed issues i'm having are because i'm running kernel 3.5 on 12.04; or if it's just because it's new hardware (the controller)
[17:47]  * briancurtin back
[18:07] <dobey> doh
[18:38] <dobey> brb
[19:19] <dobey> oops.
[19:21] <thisfred> burp
[19:21] <dobey> wtf
[19:21] <dobey> how can assertTrue and assertFalse both not fail on the same thing?
[19:22] <thisfred> if they test for is False / is True respectively?
[19:22] <thisfred> and that thing is neither?
[19:22] <gatox> dobey, http://youtu.be/x0yQg8kHVcI
[19:23] <dobey> thisfred: how can a value that is assigned to False both be False and True?
[19:23] <dobey> also, why is print() not working for me now in this test :(
[19:23] <thisfred> dobey, that does not make sense, you cannot assign to False
[19:24] <thisfred> so a variable is set to False, and then assertFalse fails?
[19:24] <dobey> thisfred: no, assertFalse and assertTrue are both failing to fail
[19:24] <thisfred> dobey, well if it's False I would assume assertFalse to succeed, so that's not strange
[19:25] <thisfred> dobey, do you have a code sample demonstrating this?
[19:27] <thisfred> alternatively, you could read up on intuitionism
[19:28] <thisfred> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuitionism
[19:29] <dobey> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1127669/
[19:29] <thisfred> looking
[19:30] <thisfred> dobey, what does print repr(options['foo']) tell you?
[19:30] <dobey> it doesn't print
[19:30] <dobey> anything
[19:31] <thisfred> that is pretty unlikely
[19:31] <thisfred> repr should print something even if it's only None
[19:31] <thisfred> or ''
[19:31] <dobey> well it's not going to the console
[19:31] <dobey> wherever it is going
[19:32] <thisfred> dobey, perhaps the test is not succeeding at all, and the deferred in the setup is messing things up?
[19:32] <dobey> could be, but not sure how to get around that; it doesn't like me using unittest.TestCase :(
[19:34] <thisfred> dobey, if it doesn't print anything, it's likely the test is never executed, so we're not actually testing anything
[19:35] <dobey> it's not printing anything
[19:35] <ralsina> dobey: False = True; assertFalse(False)
[19:35] <ralsina> dobey: although that doesn't work on python 3 ;-)
[19:35] <dobey> and i added a thing to open a log file and write the data to that instead, and there is no log file
[19:36] <thisfred> dobey, that's what I'm saying: this test is never executed
[19:36] <ralsina> maybe a typo in the test name? It happened to me once ;-)
[19:36] <dobey> ralsina: typo how?
[19:36] <thisfred> nah, it is called
[19:36] <dobey> trial is saying it is being executed :)
[19:36] <ralsina> dobey: _test_foo instead of test_foo
[19:36] <ralsina> ok, so not that
[19:36] <thisfred> it just never gets past setUp, is my intuition
[19:36] <dobey> nope, it's definitely being called
[19:37] <dobey> thisfred: indeed. if i add assertFalse(True) to seUp, all the tests fail
[19:37] <thisfred> dobey, if you take out the super call, or just do it without the defer/inline?
[19:38] <dobey> thisfred: well i can, but our check for that will fail, so the test won't run; because we check for the inlineCallbacks/yield for twisted test case stuff
[19:38] <thisfred> I hate twisted
[19:38] <thisfred> it's like herpes
[19:39] <thisfred> once you have it, it never goes away
[19:39] <dobey> oh
[19:39] <dobey> i am an idiot
[19:39] <dobey> __init__ != setUp
[19:39] <ralsina> is setUp returninga deferred?
[19:39] <thisfred> ha
[19:39]  * dobey wonders how to test for that
[19:39] <thisfred> I would have never spotted that in a million years
[19:39] <dobey> 'make sure super is actually calling the right thing'
[19:40] <thisfred> dobey, won't pylint tell you you're not calling the method on the super class?
[19:41] <thisfred> or is it as stupid as I fear it is, and only looks for the word super
[19:41] <dobey> yeah pylint doesn't complain
[19:43] <thisfred> dobey, you have found a pretty good way to make all tests pass if we're ever in a hurry ;)
[19:44] <dobey> heh, indeed
[19:44] <dobey> but it sucks when i want them to fail because i know things are broken :)
[19:47]  * mmcc heads to the cheese shop for lunch
[19:48] <dobey> and apparently i know nothing about ast
[19:56] <briancurtin> alecu: if you're still around, http://ubuntuone.com/7O01iFMjvTQSFWtZIKdcaI is a 3.0.2 installer with PyQt 4.9.4 (Qt 4.8.2)
[19:56] <dobey> so how the heck do i check that super is calling the right method
[19:56] <briancurtin> alecu: i haven't changed any versioning or anything like that yet. it's just 3.0.2 with the updated PyQt/Qt
[19:57] <thisfred> dobey, sounds like the kind of evil that Chipaca do
[19:58] <gatox> dobey, maybe i can help you with ast if you need..... i've been playing with that a lot
[20:02] <dobey> gatox: do you know how to match the bar in super(foo).bar()?
[20:05] <gatox> dobey, all that line should be a Call..... and "super" should be Attribute, and "bar" should be accesible from Attribute.attr..... which should be Call also..... i can check exactly how to do it if you want
[20:06] <dobey> gatox: that would be a big help, thanks
[20:06] <gatox> dobey, give me a couple of minutes
[20:09]  * dobey files a bug about that
[20:15] <gatox> dobey, let me know if this helps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1127745/
[20:17] <gatox> dobey, maybe this is better: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1127749/
[20:17] <gatox> there you can see super and __init__
[20:19] <gatox> dobey, there you can have the idea how to process each line in the body of the function __init__ and check if it is a super expression and what the "bar" part is
[20:21] <alecu> gatox: you've probably seen this branch failing on tarmac, right? https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/darwin-tests-refactoring/+merge/113289
[20:21] <alecu> briancurtin: looking
[20:22] <gatox> dobey, little improve: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1127754/
[20:22] <gatox> alecu, nop.... i miss that
[20:22]  * alecu would have loved a pycon talk about ast by gatox
[20:23] <gatox> alecu, i wasn't sure if propose it, because..... it not something that is fun for everyone.... but you can do a lot of crazy things with that
[20:24] <gatox> alecu, i'll probably going to give a lightning talk about kanzen in the PyDayCba
[20:24] <gatox> (kanzen: the code completion module of ninja-ide)
[20:24] <gatox> alecu, i'm doing another tool right now using ast.... maybe i could propose a talk about that next year :P
[20:25] <alecu> briancurtin: is there a way to name the installer package (and the corresponding installed bits) say "3.0.2b" instead of "3.0.2" ?
[20:25] <alecu> gatox: or on pyday!!!!
[20:25] <alecu> gatox: btw: what talk should I submit to your pyday?
[20:25] <gatox> alecu,  i've the impression that people is going to fall asleep listening a talk about ast jeje
[20:26] <gatox> alecu, twisted? :P
[20:26] <gatox> alecu, you can submit more than once also..... twisted and dbus
[20:26] <alecu> gatox: no way. A lot of people interested in compilers are your target
[20:26] <alecu> gatox: booooring!
[20:26] <gatox> or if you are doing something python-related to arduino also insteresting
[20:26] <alecu> gatox: yup, arduino would be much better.
[20:26] <gatox> yap!
[20:27] <alecu> gatox: though I've not done any python+arduino yet.
[20:27] <gatox> alecu, nice chance to learn :P
[20:27] <gatox> wowwwwwww....... 5:27 already!
[20:27] <alecu> :-)
[20:28] <dobey> ugh
[20:28] <dobey> this code is broken anyway :(
[20:29] <gatox> dobey, i can show you a trick to use when ast fails because of broken code... but is not clean :P
[20:29] <gatox> alecu, btw..... i already submit two talks to pyday.... but we should see with the other people in the organization which ones are going to be the best....... i submit: "Creating Games and fanzy UI with QML", and "Small steps to start developing ninja-ide"
[20:29] <dobey> gatox: i mean the code we're using already is broken; and i'm not sure how to fix it :(
[20:29] <alecu> gatox: QML FTW!
[20:30] <gatox> dobey, ahhhhh i thought the ast compiler was failing
[20:30] <alecu> gatox: there's been no QML talk ever in our PyCons!
[20:30] <gatox> alecu, yes, also..... is really cool how you can do awesome games 100% in qml..... and that can be executed from a python or c++ app or from a mobile
[20:30] <dobey> gatox: no, the current check is not exactly right
[20:30] <gatox> ah
[20:32] <ralsina> gatox: "fancy" != "fanzy" :-)
[20:32] <ralsina> gatox: but +1 on QML talks, QML rocks
[20:33] <gatox> ralsina, which one is for cool and elegant?
[20:33] <ralsina> if QML components were actually release quality, it would make little sense to develop in other things
[20:33] <ralsina> fancy
[20:33] <gatox> ralsina, thx
[20:33] <ralsina> but I would rather use sleek :)
[20:34] <gatox> ralsina, the title of the talk was in spanish anyway.... jejee i translate it for this channel :P
[20:37] <gatox> ok..... eod for me!! have a nice weekend everyone!
[20:37] <thisfred_> crear juegos y UI elegante con QML
[20:38] <gatox> thisfred_, groso!
[20:38] <thisfred_> :D
[20:38] <gatox> bye people!! see you on monday!
[20:38] <thisfred_> I have been doing duolingo :)
[20:38] <thisfred_> adios!
[20:39] <gatox> thisfred_, ahhhhh yes, doulingo seems really cool!
[20:39] <thisfred_> it is
[20:39] <thisfred_> goes pretty fast
[20:39] <dobey> bah; getting nowhere fast, here
[20:41] <ralsina> thisfred_: en 2013 te esperamos para hablar en pycon argentina ;-)
[20:41] <thisfred_> heh, that may be a bit ambitious, but who knows :)
[20:43] <ralsina> thisfred_: you can't do worse than Leah Culver
[20:43] <dobey> she did a talk in spanish at pycon.ar?
[20:43] <ralsina> dobey: no
[20:43] <thisfred_> pyoauth wasn't that bad
[20:43] <thisfred_> :)
[20:43] <ralsina> dobey: just a very very bad talk
[20:43] <dobey> oh
[20:44] <thisfred_> I'll just have to work a lot of horses and turtles and blue shirts into my code examples ;)
[20:45] <dobey> the turtle with the purple mask
[20:46] <thisfred_> la tortuga con la mascára ppura
[20:46] <thisfred_> púrpura
[20:46] <thisfred_> I need to change my dead key
[20:47] <ralsina> donatello?
[20:47]  * ralsina is rusty re: mutant ninja turtles
[20:50] <ralsina> thisfred_: how do you feel about doing a u1db screencast?
[20:50] <ralsina> thisfred_: I can put it in planet python and other interesting places :-)
[20:54] <thisfred_> ralsina, I hate screencasts, that sounds more like a job for aquarius, who is actually good at that kind of thing
[20:55] <ralsina> thisfred_: ack
[20:55] <ralsina> thisfred_: I am planning on doing one myself eventually
[20:56] <thisfred_> I just hate to hear myself talk :)
[20:56] <thisfred_> I know everybody does. I do so more ;)
[20:57] <ralsina> thisfred_: you can always use a voice synthetizer
[20:57] <thisfred_> oooh, vocoder
[20:57] <thisfred_> that *is* tempting
[20:57] <thisfred_> pac jam!
[20:58] <ralsina> there was a site that took a script and made 3d movies with it (with bunnies and things like that as characters)
[20:58] <thisfred_> yeah I know. I still get spam from them
[20:58] <ralsina> or a darth vader helmet
[20:59] <thisfred_> maybe the robot woman who is teaching me spanish at duolingo has time ;)
[20:59] <ralsina> thisfred_: do yu have the name of that site handy?
[20:59] <ralsina> the one that did the movies. I just can't recall it.
[21:00] <thisfred_> no, I forget. If I think of it again I'll tell you. Didn't the mongo is webscale video use it?
[21:00] <thisfred_> maybe you can find it that way
[21:01] <dobey> u1db is web scale?
[21:02] <thisfred_> dobey, it's 1.35 webscale
[21:02] <dobey> heh
[21:02] <aquarius> thisfred_, ya, that's a me thing, I think
[21:02] <thisfred_> hey!
[21:02] <thisfred_> welcome back
[21:03]  * aquarius is indeed back
[21:03] <thisfred_> and go to bed or go get drunk or summat
[21:03] <aquarius> ha
[21:03] <aquarius> am staying in tonight. I drank a lot on holiday :)
[21:03] <thisfred_> no really?
[21:03] <thisfred_> ;)
[21:05] <dobey> aquarius: hey. did you see my request re: u1db docs/
[21:05] <aquarius> I didn't, sorry
[21:05] <aquarius> couldn't face looking back through a week of stuff to find the highlighted lines :)
[21:06] <thisfred_> we'll just assume you agree to everything
[21:06] <briancurtin> alecu: whoops, didn't see your earlier messages. i think we can do that, let me try in the installer. the least we could do is probably change the name that shows up in the log files
[21:06] <thisfred_> you'll look great in a bunny suit
[21:06] <dobey> aquarius: ah, well it was only from last night. but can you make your u1db-docs/ dir on people.c.c redirect to packages.python.org/u1db/ instead?
[21:06] <dobey> aquarius: since we have docs on there now thanks to pypi uploads
[21:06] <aquarius> ooh, good idea
[21:07] <aquarius> um
[21:07] <aquarius> actually... can I? Am I allowed htaccess files on pcc?
[21:07] <aquarius> I suppose I could just meta refresh
[21:07] <aquarius> party like it's 1995
[21:07] <thisfred_> hehe
[21:07] <dobey> well presumably you can acces your .htaccess
[21:07] <alecu> briancurtin: no hurry. I should still test this one installer first :-)
[21:07] <dobey> i don't know if mod_rewrite is enabled though
[21:08] <dobey> also, for what it's worth, i have no idea how to put files on that server anyway :)
[21:08] <aquarius> ssh people.c.c :)
[21:08] <dobey> ah, well then
[21:09] <aquarius> it is never a good day when I have to read the mod_rewrite documentation
[21:09] <dobey> oh, people.u.c i can't get to i guess
[21:09] <ralsina> thisfred_: yay, mongo is webscale was done with that thanks
[21:09] <dobey> anyways
[21:10] <ralsina> And the site is http://www.xtranormal.com/
[21:10] <dobey> at least i have got some tests written and working now (and some small issues fixed as a result)
[21:10] <thisfred_> ralsina, in the US it was used in TV commercials even though I forget for whom
[21:10] <dobey> maybe sprint used it for the htc evo vs. iphone 4 one
[21:10] <ralsina> thisfred_: must have been the cheapest commercial ever :-)
[21:10] <thisfred_> probably geico, since every other commercial is geico
[21:11] <briancurtin> haha, the mongodb webscale video was done by a guy i know from the local python meetup
[21:11] <dobey> autotune-screencast ftw.
[21:11] <thisfred_> ralsina, yeah the point of the commercial was that it was made in 15 minutes
[21:12] <thisfred_> I think
[21:13] <thisfred_> while we're (not really) on the topic: who remembers dictionaraoke?
[21:13] <thisfred_> that was fun
[21:14] <aquarius> werq
[21:14] <aquarius> it is done
[21:14] <aquarius> and mod_alias is enabled on the server,  usefully
[21:14] <aquarius> no rewriterule needed!
[21:14] <thisfred_> awesome
[21:15] <thisfred_> now I need to check in some incendiary documentation
[21:16] <thisfred_> and share the p.c.c link
[21:16] <aquarius> good catch, dobey
[21:20] <dobey> eh, someone asked for updated docs on your page last night. figured it was time to point them at the new place :)
[21:20] <dobey> now, how do i get the name of the function i'm in, in python?
[21:21] <dobey> have to inspect?
[21:22] <dobey> eh, i guess it doesn't matter :-/
[21:25]  * dobey wonders how to test the TestRunner class exactly
[21:27] <ralsina> dobey: you can't
[21:27] <ralsina> dobey: "get the name of the function you're in" I mean
[21:28] <dobey> yeah, it doesn't matter i found. i can't do what i wanted with it anyway
[21:30] <thisfred_> ok, have a good weekend all, I gotta walk some dogs
[21:31] <dobey> later
[21:32] <mmcc> dobey, would this work for you? inspect.currentframe().f_code.co_name ?
[21:34] <dobey> probably; aside from the being able to do what i wanted bit
[21:35] <mmcc> oh. what is it that you wanted to do?
[21:37] <dobey> twisted's option parsing requires you to define an opt_foo() method for the options, even the flags which are just boolean toggles, so to change the value from 0 to 1 (or false to true), you have to define a method to assign the variable; so i wanted to define an opt_flag and have it infer the name of the option (since it's not passed in), and just do opt_otherflag = opt_flag, and have it work right
[21:38] <dobey> and the weird thing is, for another flag, i don't have to define that method in the class
[21:38] <dobey> yay twisted :(
[21:40] <mmcc> I see. hmmm.
[21:40] <ralsina> mmcc: that gives you the name of where it's defined, but yes, close enough :-)
[21:41] <ralsina> ok, EOW for me, have fun!
[21:45] <mmcc> ok, have a good weekend ralsina
[21:48] <mmcc> maybe something with a set_option_name(name, val) then functools.partial and setattr(self, "opt_%s" %optname)
[21:48]  * mmcc did not actually try any of that
[21:54] <dobey> eh, it's only the one flag that is causing issues right now, so i just defined it
[22:02] <mmcc> dobey: is this about adding -3 to u1trial?
[22:03] <mmcc> also, I'm sure just defining it was the right way to go. fun to mess around with other ways though
[22:03] <dobey> no
[22:03] <dobey> fixing a bug in the refactor
[22:05] <mmcc> ah ok
[22:05] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-dev-tools/fix-coverage/+merge/118207
[22:20] <dobey> well, time to go. later all, have a good weekend.


[02:08] <kane> hi
[02:08] <kane> Any support here
[02:08] <kane> Is there a easier way to find the Ubuntu room
[02:09] <Hobbsee> wow.
[02:11] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:11] <Burgundavia> why would you go to a chan called -meeting and expect people?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> or -devel....
[02:12] <Hobbsee> in fact, he's gone to -devel first, has been told to read the topic, presumably has done so, then has tried here.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> like i say...wow.
[02:12] <Burgundavia> and he ain't in #ubuntu yet
[03:40] <dthacker> @Chicago
[04:02] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[04:02] <nixternal> ;)
[07:45] <Raas|wtf> morning...
[07:45] <Raas|wtf> im a windows user.. looking at kubuntu; any recommendations for/against?
[07:46] <emgent> Raas|wtf: join #kubuntu
[07:46] <emgent> ubuntu-meeting is not the right room. :)
[07:47] <Raas|wtf> ah.. didn't see the -meeting my room list :)
[07:52] <Hobbsee> neither is +1.


[00:03] <Misio> Ok, I will survive without them :)
[00:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello folks
[00:07] <Sachse_Siechtum> I need some help.
[00:11] <charlie-tca__> !help
[00:13] <VickKleen> say isn't xubuntu suppose to have /etc/X11/xorg.conf after the installation of Xubuntu? I'm running this on an old box that's going to use vesa, but there isn't any xorg.conf, so not sure X got setup correct
[00:13] <lighta> how does I remove ttf-mscorefronts-installer from symantic ?
[00:14] <VickKleen> I tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it didn't do anything, then I booted into recovery mode to try and run it as root, still nothing
[00:14] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok. I have a problem. I use xubuntu karmic koala. I have the nvidia drivers installed....and on every start I login, and the screen goes black and then I'm back at the login screen.
[00:14] <Sachse_Siechtum> after several tries I finally manage to login.
[00:15] <Sachse_Siechtum> the number differs...sometimes I need 5 tries sometimes 20...
[00:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> automatic login doesnt work too...
[00:16] <VickKleen> uninstall the drivers and try another version to see if that helps
[00:17] <Sachse_Siechtum> I tried ...I used to have version 185 active...now I have version173 active....no change...not even sure, if the driver is the cause...
[00:18] <VickKleen> look at the logs
[00:19] <Sachse_Siechtum> where do I find them?
[00:20] <VickKleen> ---> open a terminal ---> cd /var/log/
[00:20] <VickKleen> then
[00:20] <VickKleen> sudo nano dmesg
[00:20] <VickKleen> if nothing in there then:
[00:21] <VickKleen> sudo nano messages
[00:21] <VickKleen> if nothing in there then:
[00:21] <VickKleen> sudo nano Xorg.0.log
[00:21] <VickKleen> hopefully in one of them you'll get an error about booting in
[00:21] <VickKleen> actually CHECK Xorg.0.log first
[00:22] <Sachse_Siechtum> .just a moment...
[00:26] <VickKleen> Sachse_Siechtum: so you don't have to dig through the whole thing, check just the last 20 lines like this
[00:26] <VickKleen> ----> tail -n 20 Xorg.0.log
[00:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[00:26] <VickKleen> but if there is nothing there increase the number from like 20 to 30
[00:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> xorg.0 is empty
[00:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> nano dmesg is huge.
[00:27] <VickKleen> my bad, look to see if your Xorg file is just Xorg.log is all
[00:27] <VickKleen> type ---> ls
[00:27] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[00:27] <Sachse_Siechtum> what do I type to get out of the text editor?
[00:27] <VickKleen> in nano ctrl x
[00:29] <VickKleen> at the bottom of nano screen shows the prompts the ^ means ctrl
[00:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok got it :-)
[00:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> xorg.log is empty too...checking nano messages
[00:30] <VickKleen> so you have xorg.log?
[00:30] <VickKleen> you've never logged in before to xubuntu?
[00:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> dunno..there is no text in it
[00:30] <VickKleen> cause if you had then the log should be full
[00:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmm...
[00:31] <VickKleen> make sure you type 'sudo'
[00:31] <VickKleen> hehe
[00:31] <VickKleen> sudo nano Xorg.log
[00:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> I got text in messages
[00:34] <VickKleen> k
[00:34] <VickKleen> but have you ever logged in before?
[00:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> xorg.log is empty.
[00:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> yes
[00:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> as root and with my username
[00:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> in the login screen
[00:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> Jan  6 00:49:51 jurek-desktop Thunar: Trash directory /media/3CE8AB8BE8AB424E/.Trash-1000 exists, but didn't pass the sec$
[00:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> Jan  6 00:49:51 jurek-desktop Thunar: Trash directory /media/3CE8AB8BE8AB424E/.Trash-1000 exists, but didn't pass the sec$
[00:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> ??
[00:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmm...random
[00:36] <VickKleen> not sure about those entries
[00:36] <VickKleen> looks like something to do with trash is all
[00:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> so the trash function might cause the login problem?
[00:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> because I got this message several times in a row
[00:38] <Sachse_Siechtum> and I got this: Jan  6 00:46:48 jurek-desktop kernel: [   84.268563] ondemand governor failed, too long transition latency of HW, fallbac$
[00:38] <Sachse_Siechtum> Jan  6 00:46:50 jurek-desktop kernel: [   85.113799] agpgart-nvidia 0000:00:00.0: AGP 3.0 bridge
[00:38] <Sachse_Siechtum> Jan  6 00:46:50 jurek-desktop kernel: [   85.113816] agpgart-nvidia 0000:00:00.0: putting AGP V3 device into 8x mode
[00:40] <VickKleen> trash I doubt it, but never know
[00:40] <VickKleen> that ondemand could be more of a problem actually
[00:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> I think so too
[00:40] <VickKleen> that's to help with cpu scaling and if not working then well not sure, but don't see why that would stop X from booting
[00:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> I have no clue what that message means, btw.
[00:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> started using Xubuntu 2 Months ago.
[00:41] <VickKleen> possibly that the scaling isn't supported on your cpu is all
[00:41] <VickKleen> do you have the two latest kernels installed?
[00:42] <VickKleen> 14 & 16
[00:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh yeah...before it goes into login screen I see a message shortly...something with...splash....1600x1400 failed
[00:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> yes
[00:42] <VickKleen> that fail is ok
[00:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[00:42] <VickKleen> try booting the other kernel
[00:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> well I had this problem the other kernel also...
[00:42] <VickKleen> ok
[00:43] <VickKleen> because you are at the login I suspect it's the video is all
[00:44] <VickKleen> I know in Ubuntu you can run this to reconfigure X at least in Kola you could, for Karmic not sure
[00:44] <VickKleen> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> what does that command do?
[00:44] <VickKleen> I tried that in xubuntu and it did nothing
[00:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok a moment...
[00:44] <VickKleen> for configuring X if you need to reconfigure it
[00:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh I have compiz and cairo dock installed...
[00:45] <VickKleen> compiz could be causing a problem
[00:45] <VickKleen> do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> a moment
[00:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh cant exec reconfigure xserver..have to be root
[00:46] <VickKleen> yeah run as sudo
[00:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> I have that file
[00:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> xorg.conf
[00:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> Section "Screen"
[00:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[00:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> 	DefaultDepth	24
[00:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> EndSection
[00:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> Section "Module"
[00:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> 	Load	"glx"
[00:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> EndSection
[00:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> Section "Device"
[00:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> 	Identifier	"Default Device"
[00:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> 	Driver	"nvidia"
[00:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> 	Option	"NoLogo"	"True"
[00:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> EndSection
[00:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> I just exec the reconfigure command with sudo...nothing happened...
[00:49] <VickKleen> change Driver "nvidia" to ----> Driver "nv"
[00:49] <VickKleen> then see if you can login with that, nv is the default X driver for nvidia
[00:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> damn I cant save it....
[00:50] <VickKleen> sudo nano xorg.conf
[00:50] <VickKleen> LOL
[00:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> I just wanted to do that *g*
[00:51] <VickKleen> you have to sudo all the time to gain root access
[00:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah I know what sudo means.....I read about it....temp root rights :-)
[00:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok done.....
[00:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> reboot?
[00:56] <charlie-tca__> That only works if you have the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file built already
[00:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> well it is saved....
[00:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> built?
[00:57] <charlie-tca__> sorry, meant that for VickKleen
[00:57] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah ok
[00:57] <charlie-tca__> Xubuntu quit building the file in about version 9.04
[00:57] <Sachse_Siechtum> what does building mean?
[00:57] <Sachse_Siechtum> like compiling?
[00:59] <charlie-tca__> In this case means putting that file in by default
[00:59] <Sachse_Siechtum> I see
[01:00] <Sachse_Siechtum> so the xorg.conf is not used by Xubuntu when it boots?
[01:00] <DKre8ive1> anyone here know what setting I have to put in Mplayer prefrences for audio and video on a ps3 xubuntu 9.10 install
[01:00] <VickKleen> so what's the replacement now for xorg.conf, how is the stuff loaded?
[01:01] <charlie-tca__> It is all automatic loading. There is no replacement.
[01:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok so I gonna reboot now.
[01:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> right?
[01:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok brb
[01:05] <charlie-tca__> VickKleen: the only time xorg.conf is used now is if the user builds it. Most of the time, things just work without it.
[01:06] <VickKleen> ok
[01:06] <VickKleen> bbl
[01:06] <charlie-tca__> Couple of pages I found helpful are : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution
[01:06] <charlie-tca__> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[01:06] <charlie-tca__> although it seems really hard to make work sometimes, too.
[03:14] <aletheia8556> can anybody help me with a screen resolution problem??
[05:08] <owen1> i can't remove any file on my shuffle since it's all read-only. how to change it? sudo chmod 777 *  is not doing it.
[05:28] <Venim> hey guys, my xfce is all borked up and i can't seem to figure out why
[05:28] <Venim> first off, my windows open on the top panel
[05:28] <Venim> so i can't move them
[05:28] <Venim> also, my desktop isnt' allowing the for the space provided by the panel
[05:28] <Venim> and my workspaces won't work
[05:29] <pegassus> seems to be a compiz trouble
[05:29] <Venim> compiz is gone
[05:29] <Venim> at least i thought it was
[05:29] <pegassus> install the icon compiz and reload your windows manager via compiz icon
[05:30] <Venim> apt-get install icon compiz?
[05:31] <pegassus> or in synaptic
[05:31] <Venim> fusion-icon
[05:31] <Venim> yeah, i think i didn't restart since i uninstalled compiz
[05:32] <Venim> or 'uninstalled'
[05:32] <Venim> ah, there we go
[05:33] <pegassus> ok
[05:33] <Venim> now is there a way to make that not happen?
[05:35] <pegassus> only isf you put on starup sesion
[05:36] <Venim> how would i go about that?
[05:37] <Venim> like, i had compiz installed
[05:37] <Venim> and i want to completely get rid of it
[05:38] <pegassus> as you see I don't speak english very well. but I try to explain
[05:38] <Venim> ok thanks
[05:39] <Venim> as long as you help, you can insult me all you want
[05:40] <pegassus> well, in youmenu aplication there are a menu named administratoof configuration of xcfe4
[05:40] <pegassus> then an icon starup sesion
[05:40] <Venim> ok, you don't have to be an asshole about it
[05:41] <pegassus> jajajaja ok
[05:41] <pegassus> you don't beleive me that I don know english
[05:41] <Venim> ooooo\
[05:42] <Venim> i thought that you said I don't know how to speak english
[05:42] <Venim> my bad
[05:42] <pegassus> I kearn only reading tutos
[05:42] <pegassus> ok in that icon ther a tabs
[05:43] <Venim> i've lost you
[05:43] <pegassus> ok
[05:43] <pegassus> open you app menu and then go to config
[05:43] <Venim> what app menu
[05:44] <Venim> theres no config in that menu
[05:45] <pegassus> lok for menu that siad configuration of xcfe4
[05:45] <Venim> ok, i think i found it
[05:45] <pegassus> config or preference don't kow in engkish
[05:45] <Venim> what exactly do i need to change
[05:46] <pegassus> startup sesion
[05:46] <pegassus> a tab named autostar aplications
[05:46] <Venim> o, i have to make xfwm start?
[05:47] <pegassus> you don't use xubuntu?
[05:47] <Venim> i do
[05:47] <Venim> that's why i'm here
[05:47] <pegassus> ok
[05:48] <Venim> i'll put xfwm4 in there and hopefully that should work
[05:48] <pegassus> in that tab you can put an aplication to automatic starup whit you system
[05:48] <Venim> yeah, i know
[05:48] <Venim> i don't know why the window manager isn't starting up
[05:48] <pegassus> uuffffff
[05:48] <Venim> you think it would
[05:49] <mavyrick> does anyone here have a 13" macbook pro???
[05:51] <Venim> no, why?
[05:52] <mavyrick> nvm then
[05:52] <Balsaq> gotta 13" g4...
[05:54] <pegassus> if you choose emeral like your windows manager, that why
[05:54] <Venim> mavyrick: why the 13" specifically
[05:54] <Venim> i have a macbook pro
[05:54] <Venim> ok
[05:54] <Venim> thanks
[05:57] <Balsaq> nice job pegassus...
[05:57] <pegassus> Hoo thanks
[05:57] <Balsaq> i try to understand what the problems is and...BANG you already know and nailed it!
[05:58] <pegassus> well I don't know everything but if I can help
[06:34] <sunny6789> hi
[06:35] <sunny6789> some times my computer just freezes up and i have to restart , no other key would work ,can ne1 tell me whts wrong?? i have 512 RAM and using Xubuntu
[06:36] <sunny6789> 9.10
[06:38] <sunny6789> ne one in th r?????
[07:27] <drcode> hi all
[07:27] <drcode> whats up
[11:33] <jarnos> Why shutdown is behind password in Karmic?
[11:58] <mkultra_> why did xubuntu go to install only
[11:59] <mkultra_> must have xubuntu in live cd form
[12:07] <jarnos> mkultra_: Desktop cd is a live & install cd
[12:07] <mkultra_> hmmm
[12:07] <mkultra_> i told someone on net diagnosing pc issues to get xubuntu
[12:08] <mkultra_> they said no live cd
[12:08] <mkultra_> i even pointed them at images of the live boot they said it was install only
[12:57] <rapii701> 하이~
[12:57] <knome> !!-
[14:36] <tavasti> where I can find bluetooth client program for transfering pictures from mobile phone
[14:36] <tavasti> using Xubuntu Karmic
[14:57] <jarnos> sudo sdparm --command=stop <disk> used to work in intrepid; no more in jaunty.
[14:57] <jarnos> It should stop disk from spinning.
[15:05] <jarnos> Also usb disk can't be auto mounted after it has been ejected by sudo sh -c 'echo 1 >/sys/block/$1/device/delete' goodbye "$diskname"
[15:13] <R4v> Hey
[15:13] <R4v> Can someone help me with something? =]
[15:13] <Sysi> @ask
[15:13] <Sysi> !ask
[15:13] <Pres-Gas> tavasti, you could try blueman http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/blueman and http://blueman-project.org/
[15:14] <R4v> I'm trying to install xubuntu on a 2gig usb key.
[15:14] <Pres-Gas> tavasti, gigolo also seems to do obex connections and should already be installed
[15:14] <R4v> So i can save files on it, updatet he software i want, remove what i don't, etc.
[15:15] <R4v> is this the right thing:
[15:15] <Sysi> "install" with unetbootin or install, with booting to installer?
[15:15] <R4v> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/create-a-xubuntu-9-10-flash-drive-using-windows/
[15:15] <R4v> Sysi, AFAIK unetbootin isn't persistant is it? so i wont be able to save files, etc.
[15:15] <Sysi> but usb-creator etc
[15:16] <R4v> Also, i HAVe to do this from window.
[15:16] <tavasti> Pres-Gas, ok, thanks
[15:16] <R4v> I don't understand this casper thing.
[15:16] <tavasti> for now solved problem with installing gnome-bluetooth, but it wants to use nautilus
[15:37] <Pres-Gas> tavasti, that was why I pointed to the other solutions above
[15:54] <tavasti> also blueman opens nautilus...
[15:58] <tavasti> 'Using gconf config backend'
[16:05] <Pres-Gas> hmmmm...that was the debug output, tavasti?
[16:06] <Pres-Gas> I would say that either gconf needs to be modified or update-alternatives needs to be used.
[16:19] <al2cand> Hi, I would like to know if it is possible to install a wireless router WRT120N from linksys on my xubuntu?
[16:36] <tavasti> Pres-Gas, I started blueman-applet from command-line, and when I say 'browse device' that appears on terminal
[16:41] <genii> al2cand: Since it has a web-based control panel, I'd hazard "yes". Plug it in wired first time, configure it thru the it's control panel for the wifi setup, etc
[16:42] <petsounds> good evening. i just install xubuntu karmic. i can't make thunar open a new tab with ctrl-t. what did i miss? thanks
[17:07] <Pres-Gas> petsounds, Thunar does not support tabs  http://forum.xfce.org/index.php?topic=4780.0
[17:21] <petsounds> Pres-Gas, ok thanks
[17:37] <likemindead> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/tips_tricks_and_scripts_thunar_file_browser
[17:40]  * petsounds checks the link
[17:42] <Pres-Gas> likemindead, I am not seeing tab action in that article.  Hold my hand?
[17:47] <TheSheep> The file canvas (background) is not configurable, there is no tab facility, no split screen option or many of the other features you find in other file managers. Nor should there be.
[17:50] <likemindead> :-\
[17:51] <Pres-Gas> I like a nice, trim file manager
[19:25] <Airris> hi
[19:26] <Ov3rf10w> hi Airris
[19:28] <Airris> um, I just had a hopefully quick question, assuming that I can get this computer to boot properly again, how do I find the error log or what not for ubuntu. Something is occasionally causing this other computer not to boot properly and I want to try and figure out what's up
[19:29] <Airris> It's a computer I salvaged out of electronic recycling so I wouldn't be surprised if there's more hardware elements that I need to replace :P
[19:29] <TheSheep>  /var/log/* generally
[19:30] <Airris> ah. K
[19:31] <ron_o>  /var/log/messages   and I had to initiate bootlogd
[19:34] <Airris> at least recovery mode still boots so I have options *starts to tinker*
[19:37] <Airris> woh. ok, there's a lot of logs in here, any idea which one i should be looking at? It gets to the xubuntu mouse, then near the end of it quickly throws some kind of message then the screen goes black and the system just sits there. If I could just read whatever that was saying it'd probably clear this up
[19:39] <likemindead> Airris, can you "Alt+Ctrl+F2" to a command line? If so, I'd do that & then run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to see if it sorts out your problem.
[19:40] <Airris> i can give that a shot.
[19:40] <Airris> hmm, also. note to self: "cat messages" = useless idea :P
[19:46] <Airris> running those commands presently. It looks like it did find some things to update
[19:52] <Airris> updates done: hmm. it can normal boot to a commandline out of recovery mode, but still that black screen problem for a completely regular boot. This time it did not appear to throw any kind of message before the black screen
[19:57] <benchik>  hello
[19:57] <Airris> hi
[19:57] <Airris> right, ok now onto ron's suggestion, turning on bootlogd and seeing if that generates any useful feedback
[19:57] <benchik> so... Xubuntu is less light than Ubuntu. Has Xubuntu lost its' edge?
[19:57] <Airris> huh?
[19:59]  * likemindead thinks benchik is quite mistaken.
[20:00] <Airris> um, ok how do I turn on bootlogd so it logs things the *next* time the system starts to boot. I turned it on and it did a lovely recording... of me shutting down the system so i could try and reboot it normally
[20:00] <Airris> :P
[20:01] <benchik> likemindead: well when i check RAM usage, Xubuntu uses same or more than Ubuntu
[20:01] <Ov3rf10w> benchik, no
[20:02] <benchik> Ov3rf10w: i checked and that's what i saw
[20:02] <Ov3rf10w> gnome takes more RAM than a Xfce and KDE
[20:03] <Ov3rf10w> xubunu is a lightweight os
[20:03] <Ov3rf10w> xubuntu*
[20:05] <benchik> Ov3rf10w: ok, i know what it SHOULD be, and once it was. But it's no longer lighter than Gnome
[20:06] <Ov3rf10w> why is not?
[20:06] <benchik> i.e. Xubuntu typically uses about 350MB while Ubuntu 280MB
[20:07] <Ov3rf10w> hmmm....
[20:08] <Ov3rf10w> Most people would agree with that
[20:08] <Ov3rf10w> wouldn't*
[20:09] <benchik> wonder what happened?
[20:10] <Ov3rf10w> i don't know
[20:10] <Airris> perhaps depending on what things you have installed and running
[20:11] <Ov3rf10w> maybe some  application use much of ram
[20:11] <Airris> since there's also sorts of background widgets and doodads
[20:11] <Airris> *all sorts
[20:11] <benchik> I still like xfce cause  it's very stable and has it's own compositor. but on my laptop i use Ubuntu cause it has better battery management over GUI
[20:11] <benchik> Ov3rf10w: actually i googled and found several posts of people stating what i said
[20:12] <Ov3rf10w> Most people today do not know what is Xubuntu :D
[20:13] <Airris> can I interrupt for a sec, still not sure how to get bootlogd to keep running after i reboot
[20:13] <Airris> well not keep running i guess, but have it start up when i reboot
[20:13] <benchik> i see
[20:14] <benchik> didn't check one against the other out of the box
[20:14] <benchik> another thing:
[20:15] <benchik> i was wondering whether to upgrade to 10.04 alpha, since i have my laptop as a production system. depending how stable is the alpha (relatively)
[20:15] <Ov3rf10w> ....
[20:16] <Ov3rf10w> i don't know
[20:16] <Ov3rf10w> :D
[20:16] <Airris> always good to be honest
[20:17] <Ov3rf10w> i use 9.04 :D
[20:17] <Airris> hmm, possible alternative solution, i'm in the commandline mode, is there a way to start up xcfe from here? I'm starting to suspect the problem might be with running the gui
[20:18] <Airris> so if I just turn logging on then try and turn that on, it might bug out and I can catch the error messages since i'll have previously ran bootlogd
[20:19] <benchik> Ov3rf10w: i use 8.04
[20:20] <Ov3rf10w> very old :D
[20:20] <Ov3rf10w> 9.04 is the much better
[20:21] <Ov3rf10w> i tried karmic but don't like it
[20:21]  * petsounds agrees
[20:22] <Airris> hmm, i'm running karmic
[20:22] <Airris> what don't you like about it
[20:22] <Ov3rf10w> all
[20:22] <Ov3rf10w> xD
[20:22] <Ov3rf10w> lot of bugs
[20:22] <Airris> other than the problems i'm having which i think are more this computers fault than the software, I haven't found anything disagreeable
[20:22] <Airris> like I said: this is a salvaged computer, I'm expecting that this problem is due to a hardware failure, I just need to figure out *what* is failing :P
[20:23] <Airris> hehe
[20:23] <Ov3rf10w> :D
[20:23] <Airris> it's really hard to narrow that down too since it only bugs out like this erratically
[20:23] <Airris> if i change some of the parts around it might boot up right
[20:23] <Airris> but there's no telling if it just decided to boot up correctly that time and would have worked without any part changing :P
[20:25] <Airris> huh, that is *wierd* ok so I figured out on my own how to turn on the GUI, and it worked just fine. Perhaps lets see if it boots completely normally if i restart now
[20:26] <Airris> it's back to booting again *shrug*
[20:26] <Airris> drat. I can't diagnose this problem anymore then until it starts to break again :P
[20:29] <Airris> although: theory based on symptoms. I remember when we were trying to get this computer to run a knoppix live cd (to see what was on the harddrive before i blanked it), knoppix kept having problems recognizing the display mode. Now we have the apparent thing that when this computer decides to not boot, it can boot commandline but not a normal boot with the GUI.
[20:29] <Airris> This computer has some integrated graphics that might be a little funky and perhaps xubuntu can't reliably handle it or something???
[20:29] <Airris> just a guess until i can find some way to confirm it
[20:38] <knome> Airris, try the live cd
[20:53] <Airris> it seems to be taking quite some time to consider the live cd
[20:55] <Airris> and now appears to have hung up
[20:55] <Airris> hmmm
[21:00] <Airris> and we're back to the same problem if i try and boot it up normally
[21:00] <Airris> huh.
[21:06] <Airris> and yet if i go in through recovery mode, then do the normal boot option and turn on the gdm manually
[21:06] <Airris> it works
[21:06] <Airris> a bit of an extended/annoying process but hmm
[21:28] <Airris> ah well, i'll worry about it later
[21:28]  * Airris bows and exits
[22:47] <Edo> anyone have experience in openvpn?
[23:40] <Andrew__> Hello, can anyone help me?
[23:41] <Andrew__> ...
[23:41] <Andrew__> ?
[23:41] <Andrew__> Anyone?
[23:41] <Andrew__> :/
[23:46] <fabio> Hi
[23:46] <fabio> has anyone here installed xubuntu on a dell mini 9?


[16:36] <jbicha> fossfreedom: hi, did you figure out what the difference was?
[20:29] <fossfreedom> jbicha: with regards to build-essential?  I guess its because UG has gstreamer components which strangely pulls in build-essential - whereas UB we no longer ship totem so dont pull in gstreamer.
[20:30] <jbicha> fossfreedom: see the backlog in #ubuntu-release
[20:31] <jbicha> summary: it was a bug for build-essential to be installed by default so that will be fixed
[20:32] <fossfreedom> ah - thanks.
[20:38] <fossfreedom> jbicha: just reading the backlog - so to clarify - no need to explicitly seed either build-essential or dpkg-dev ? or just for live not for the desktop ?
[20:47] <jbicha> you don't have to seed anything, it's already covered by ship-live
[20:48] <fossfreedom> k - I'll backout dpkg-dev that I added today (seemingly mistakenly)


 ;) I hope the trees in front of our house will survive those gusts.
[10:59] <koolhead11> TheMue:
[10:59] <koolhead11> :P
[11:01] <TheMue> koolhead11: Hey   :S
[11:02] <TheMue> koolhead11: But so far everything is ok. ;)
[11:02] <koolhead17> TheMue: the sounds good.
[11:02] <TheMue> koolhead17: yep
[12:41] <freeflying> wondering how can I get juju + lxc works on a laptop, anyone has any clues?
[12:47] <therve> freeflying, https://juju.ubuntu.com/CharmSchool should have the necessary bits
[12:51] <freeflying> therve: I did following that pages tells, but no lucky at all on oneiric, bootstrap is fine, afterwards, all machines will be just pending there
[12:52] <therve> freeflying, did you reboot in the process?
[12:53] <freeflying> therve: after libvit-bin installed, yes
[12:53] <therve> I don't know then
[12:53] <therve> it used to work at least
[14:22] <jcastro> woo, back to the grind folks!
[14:23] <koolhead17> hey jcastro :)
[14:33] <m_3> morning gang
[14:53] <marcoceppi> Morning
[14:58] <freeflying> still have problem with juju + lxc on laptop, container started successfully after deploy, but juju status shows them in pending, can ssh into the container, anyone has ideas on this?
[14:59] <koolhead17> freeflying: it takes sometime i suppose :)
[15:01] <freeflying> koolhead17: usually how long does it take? :)
[15:01] <koolhead17> freeflying: pastebin juju -v status
[15:02] <koolhead17> freeflying: on machine like mine with 2 gigs RAM long enough :P
[15:04] <freeflying> koolhead17: http://paste.ubuntu.com/791723/
[15:06] <freeflying> koolhead17: I'm going to leave my laptop running alone there :), and get into bed, hope everthing will be going as expected in 8 hrs :P
[15:06] <koolhead17> freeflying: another thing you can do is check log inside your data-dir
[15:07] <koolhead17> freeflying: hehehe. i guess it will take less time :P
[15:07] <koolhead17> freeflying: if your interested in debugging i can show u the way :P
[15:08] <freeflying> koolhead17: I'd love to, since I'm going to give a talk on juju in couple of days at a confenrence :P
[15:09] <koolhead17> jcastro: wont it be good idea to modify the documentation and come up with some starred kind of thing saying about memory and time taken for juju to bring up instance?
[15:09] <jcastro> yeah, I need to talk to hazmat about docs
[15:09] <koolhead17> freeflying: awesome, well in that there are other folks here who can help you as they are more knowledgeable than me :P
[15:10] <jcastro> freeflying: is this the first time you're running it?
[15:10] <jcastro> the first time takes a while
[15:10] <jcastro> after that when everything is cached it's like a few seconds for me
[15:10] <freeflying> jcastro: actually I tried before, but not sure if I gave it enough time before I destroy them :)
[15:11] <koolhead17> freeflying: one simple suggestion
[15:12] <koolhead17> try installing only mysql charm
[15:12] <koolhead17> and unless/until it comes in running mode dont deploy wordpress charm
[15:12] <koolhead17> i remember facing same in first time :P
[15:14] <freeflying> koolhead17: ok, just destroyed previous environment, and re-deploy mysql only
[15:14] <koolhead17> freeflying: cool
[15:15] <freeflying> koolhead17: how can I check whether the charm has been deployed into the container?
[15:16] <koolhead17> freeflying: juju -v status will give you information about the container <id>
[15:17] <koolhead17> in the environments.yaml you must have provided juju data-dir
[15:17] <koolhead17> go there
[15:18] <koolhead17> you will find something like <username>-sample
[15:18] <koolhead17> inside there u will have a directory units
[15:18] <koolhead17> it has all the meat u require :P
[15:21] <hazmat> jcastro, pong
[15:23] <freeflying> koolhead17: ssh into the container just deployed(not with juju ssh), and there is nothing running inside the container shows mysql will be deployed
[15:24] <koolhead17> freeflying: is mysql charm finally running"?
[15:25] <freeflying> koolhead17: no, juju status told its still in pending
[15:25] <hazmat> freeflying, do you see the containers twice in the output of lxc-ls ?
[15:25] <hazmat> lxc-ls shows all extant containers, and does a separate line for running containers (so its listed twice if running)
[15:26] <freeflying> koolhead17: yes
[15:26] <freeflying> hazmat: yes
[15:26] <freeflying> freeflying@x200:~$ sudo lxc-ls
[15:26] <freeflying> freeflying-lxc-0-template  freeflying-lxc-mysql-0
[15:26] <freeflying> freeflying-lxc-mysql-0
[15:28] <m_3> marcoceppi: do you have a gist for using the ch downloader/verifier?
[15:28] <koolhead17> jcastro: around
[15:29] <marcoceppi> m_3: Not really, I could make one if you like
[15:29] <m_3> marcoceppi: nah, just wondering if you had one in place already... thanks tho!
[15:30] <koolhead17> freeflying: did you install Juju from PPA?
[15:32] <freeflying> koolhead17: yes
[15:32] <koolhead17> freeflying: juju -v status
[15:32] <koolhead17> if any luck
[15:33] <koolhead17> :P
[15:33]  * koolhead17 being optimist
[15:33] <hazmat> freeflying, inside of $data-dir/units/mysql-0 there should be logs from the unit agent that might be helpful here
[15:33] <hazmat> also worthwhile to verify the unit agent is running via  ps aux | grep juju
[15:33] <hazmat> should show the machine agent for local host and the unit agent for the container
[15:36] <freeflying> hazmat: only the one for on host is running
[15:37] <hazmat> freeflying, hmm.. could you pastebin the master-customize.log in $data-dir
[15:37] <hazmat> freeflying, typically if the unit agent doesn't come up its a problem getting the initial container setup correctly
[15:37] <koolhead17> nijaba: i have been able to get few off the issues in owncloud charm as you pointed getting fixed :P
[15:38] <nijaba> koolhead17: sounds great! Tell me when you need another review
[15:39] <koolhead17> nijaba: by this week end sir :)
[15:39] <nijaba> koolhead17: looking forward to it
[15:39] <koolhead17> thanks
[15:41] <freeflying> hazmat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/791761/
[15:54] <koolhead17> hazmat: any idea when are we getting done with the juju bug so it works with eucalyptus?
[16:10] <hazmat> freeflying, it looks like the install failed into the template container
[16:10] <hazmat>  Hash Sum mismatch and failed to fetch some archives
[16:11] <jcastro> oh neat, cacti over the break
[16:11] <jcastro> marcoceppi: thanks for the review
[16:40] <marcoceppi> jcastro:  Yeah, still writing the full review, there's a lot left do to for that one
[16:40]  * jcastro nods
[16:40] <jcastro> I'm just happy to see a guy show up!
[16:43] <SpamapS> koolhead17: I'm not sure there is a bug in the latest Ubuntu+juju
[16:43] <SpamapS> koolhead17: IIRC the problem was that txaws was too old on lucid
[16:45] <koolhead17> SpamapS: so we need to try juju+eucalyptus+oneiric to get that particular doubt/issue whatever fixed
[16:49] <SpamapS> koolhead17: eucalyptus can be on any platform, but juju should be run on oneiric talking to the eucalyptus box
[16:50] <SpamapS> We should probably try to get a euca and an openstack setup and run our ftests against it
[16:50] <koolhead17> SpamapS: that would be awesome.
[16:51] <koolhead17> SpamapS: also as you mentioned i need to get an oneirc instance running via eucalyptus and get juju configured on that.? am i correct sir ?
[16:55] <SpamapS> koolhead17: um, no. ;)
[16:56] <SpamapS> koolhead17: you just need oneiric *somewhere* that can communicate with eucalyptus
[16:56] <SpamapS> koolhead17: it could be an instance, or a VM on a laptop, or something else.
[17:00]  * koolhead17 scratches his head 5 times
[17:54] <nijaba> SpamapS: do you have time to work on my buildd issue?
[18:07] <SpamapS> nijaba: sure, remind me where to start.
[18:07] <nijaba> I'll resend my last email which is a nice summary
[18:08] <nijaba> SpamapS: see your inbox
[18:14]  * SpamapS recoils in horror upon seeing his swollen bloated spam infested inbox
[18:15] <nijaba> SpamapS: I can pastbin my email if you prefer :)
[18:18] <SpamapS> nijaba: regarding your question, I think I should change the Makefile to only run tests on 'make check' instead of also on 'make install'. This makes sense, make install is run with fakeroot, while make check is not.
[18:18]  * SpamapS does that
[18:18]  * nijaba does happy dance
[18:20] <SpamapS> nijaba: ok, pushed
[18:20] <SpamapS> nijaba: you should be able to kick off the auto-build from code.launchpad.net/charm-tools
[18:21] <nijaba> SpamapS: I am, but I need to reauest a merge of take-trois first
[18:26] <nijaba> SpamapS: merge review requested
[18:30] <SpamapS> hm looks good, testing now.. but I just noticed a bug in my code..
[18:30] <SpamapS> using exit 0 where the test should really return 0 or something. Hrm.
[18:30] <SpamapS> may have to refactor the tests a bit to stick them each in their own function so they can skip themselves.
[18:31] <nijaba> ah, true...
[18:31] <SpamapS> Fine for now though
[18:32] <SpamapS> tests/helpers/helpers.sh: 39: /home/clint/src/charm/buildd-fixes-take-trois/tests/helpers/test_peer.sh: cannot create /tmp/tmp-juju-log: Permission denied
[18:33] <SpamapS> looks like that needs to be a mktemp -d
[18:33] <SpamapS> tests/helpers/helpers.sh: 190: /home/clint/src/charm/buildd-fixes-take-trois/tests/helpers/test_peer.sh: cannot create /tmp/result: Permission denied
[18:33] <nijaba> SpamapS: it's a file actually, and I wanted to keep the same name over multiple runs
[18:34] <SpamapS> nijaba: then you'll need to put the username in it
[18:34] <nijaba> SpamapS: ??
[18:34] <SpamapS> I can't run "as a test user"
[18:34] <SpamapS> because I ran as my regular user already
[18:34] <nijaba> SpamapS: ah, right! will fix
[18:35] <SpamapS> should probably clean those files up on success
[18:35] <SpamapS> /tmp/result is also a bad file name. ;)
[18:35] <nijaba> SpamapS: I truncate on each run
[18:36] <SpamapS> yeah but you can't just use /tmp/result .. mktemp
[18:36] <nijaba> SpamapS: you are right
[18:36] <SpamapS> (and then make sure that file is cleaned up in your trap if it exists)
[18:37] <SpamapS> Otherwise it works fine once I rm those two files from my main user
[18:47] <nijaba> SpamapS: ok, changes pushed
[18:48] <jcastro> m_3: I'm going to give zenoss one day or so to catch up with the new years and then I'm going to ask for a call this week or next
[19:15] <SpamapS> nijaba: you can't just rm tempfiles after you're done with them. You have to do it in the exit trap.
[19:15] <SpamapS> nijaba: otherwise an error leaves files sitting in /tmp
[19:15] <SpamapS> not the end of the world
[19:15] <SpamapS> but bad form. ;)
[19:16] <SpamapS> actually I think you're ok here..
[19:16] <SpamapS> there's no possibility for error.
[19:16] <SpamapS> unless echo fails. ;)
[19:18] <SpamapS> nijaba: note that you don't actually need that result file.. you could just | grep
[19:18] <SpamapS> 2>&1 | grep anyway
[19:41] <nijaba> SpamapS: noted
[19:41] <nijaba> thanks
[19:42] <m_3> jcastro: sounds good on zenoss... anytime's good for me
[19:42] <m_3> jcastro: maybe before budapest tho?
[19:42] <jcastro> yeah so, this week
[19:43] <m_3> jcastro: should I talk to the guys I know there beforehand?
[19:43] <jcastro> oh I didn't know you knew people
[19:43]  * m_3 gets around
[19:43] <jcastro> m_3: sigh, I failed to include you on CC
[19:43] <jcastro> fwding the info now
[19:43] <m_3> (beach boys stuck in my head now)
[20:09] <mchenetz> Good afternoon and Happy Holidays!
[20:37] <jcastro> hey mchenetz!
[20:37] <jcastro> how were your holidays?
[20:37] <mchenetz> jcastro: they were good and yours?
[20:37] <jcastro> good good!
[20:38] <mchenetz> I was busy during the holidays… However, i am getting back to the OSX implementation now
[21:04] <jcastro> SpamapS: Got time soonish?
[21:47] <SpamapS> jcastro: now's good
[21:48] <jcastro> SpamapS: I just sent you a mail with the text.
[21:48] <jcastro> G+?
[21:48] <SpamapS> sure let me grab my G+ machine
[21:50] <SpamapS> jcastro: invite when ready
[21:57] <SpamapS> I hate technology
[21:59] <jcastro> SpamapS: I can hear the feedback when I yell
[21:59] <jcastro> so I think it's getting to your laptop
[22:01] <jcastro> phone?
[22:01] <jcastro> or irc is fine
[22:13] <EvilBill> Wow, back here from the holidays.
[22:13] <EvilBill> Big fun.
[23:42] <SpamapS> EvilBill: w/b
[23:55] <freeflying>  /win 34