[00:00] <sambagirl> the current release
[00:00] <L3top> 810?
[00:00] <wingnut2626> anyone have any experience sshing into a linux box from a chrooted linux android phone?
[00:00] <sambagirl> l3top LinuxMCE-8.10-final.iso
[00:00] <L3top> You should use my 1004 snapshot. Much kinder... The 810 installer is not likely to be happy with wubi.
[00:01] <duality> so how could i copy ssh keys from my server so i don't have to type password? :) i know there is a command for it, just forgot it -.-
[00:01] <sambagirl> can i have it or is it private for developers? i even have it on my iphone :D
[00:01] <L3top> sambagirl: http://linuxmce.iptp.org/snapshots/
[00:01] <sambagirl> do you use your iphone to control stuff?
[00:01] <sambagirl> is zoneminder incorporated or are they using somethign else?
[00:01] <[deXter]> wingnut2626, Yes
[00:02] <L3top> this is a bit off topic for ubuntu sambagirl. They explicitly do not support lmce, and I feel that I am monopolizing the chat. Feel free to drop into #linuxmce and I will prattle on as much as you can stand.
[00:02] <wingnut2626> ok dexter, what am i doing wrong here?  i started the service 'sudo service start ssh'  then chrooted into my debian on the phone, ran the command 'sudo ssh 'username@ipaddress' and im get 'connection timed out'
[00:03] <fuzzynurfhurter> l3top this what im getting  Package avant-windows-navigator is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[00:03] <fuzzynurfhurter> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[00:03] <fuzzynurfhurter> is only available from another source
[00:03] <fuzzynurfhurter> E: Package 'avant-windows-navigator' has no installation candidate
[00:03] <[deXter]> wingnut2626, you don't need sudo ssh, just go ssh
[00:03] <L3top> fuzzynurfhurter: apt-cache search avant
[00:03] <[deXter]> wingnut2626, also the problem could be the ip addressing.. are both devices on the same local network?
[00:03] <init[dot]d> fuzzynurfhurter, do you have the correct repos in sources.list?
[00:04] <fuzzynurfhurter> i dont know
[00:04] <Lounge> i need to restart X whats the command?
[00:04] <th0r> [deXter], try service ssh start
[00:04] <wingnut2626> yes both are on the same LAN....im using the wlan0 inet address as the accesspoint
[00:04] <sambagirl> ok
[00:04] <[deXter]> th0r, that's for wingnut2626 not me. :P
[00:04] <th0r> Lounge, startx?
[00:04] <init[dot]d> Lounge, sudo kill x && startx
[00:04] <sambagirl> it's amazing that they even have a iphone app for it :D
[00:04] <th0r> [deXter], yup...was too busy making sure I had it right <smile>
[00:05] <L3top> You should see what is happening with qorbiter
[00:05] <[deXter]> wingnut2626, well first of all see if you can ping your ubuntu box from your phone
[00:06] <Lounge> init[dot]d: that returned garbage process x
[00:06] <init[dot]d> brb
[00:06] <init[dot]d> nother reboot to clean up
[00:06] <sambagirl> i was in a webinar for orbiter last year
[00:06] <fuzzynurfhurter> l3top it showed a bunch of stuff
[00:06] <init[dot]d> Lounge,  sudo ps aux | grep x
[00:06] <init[dot]d> then use the PID to sudo kill (PID) && startx
[00:07] <wingnut2626> ping is successful
[00:08] <roger__> allo
[00:08] <[deXter]> wingnut2626, hmm, well looks like you'll have to configure the ssh service on your ubuntu box first..
[00:09] <wingnut2626> configure what exactly?
[00:09] <wifiman> wingnut2626: does  ssh localhost  work from your ubuntu box?
[00:09] <[deXter]> wingnut2626, like which accounts are allowed ssh access and stuff
[00:10] <fuzzynurfhurter> l3 do i need to dl that??
[00:10] <wingnut2626> ssh localhost is successful
[00:10] <wifiman> wingnut2626: probably either you have the wrong IP address or you have a firewall blocking port 22
[00:11] <wingnut2626> the address is correct....its the 'inet' address on the wlan0 since its all wireless here......would a verizon router have a firewall built in?
[00:11] <orchata> messed up my sources list. It is empty now. What to do?
[00:12] <wifiman> wingnut2626: wlan0 on the ubuntu box, right?
[00:12] <wingnut2626> yessir
[00:12] <fuzzynurfhurter> l3top i found it in the software center lol
[00:13] <tbrown2012fb> Watching the Social Network:) I love this movie:)
[00:13] <OerHeks> orchata, you didn't make a backup first? you can generate a fresh sources list @ http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[00:15] <hylian> hello all.
[00:15] <fuzzynurfhurter> hi ya
[00:16] <wifiman> wingnut2626: do you have any firewall rules on the ubuntu box?  (iptables -nL  if in doubt)
[00:16] <wifiman> oops sudo iptables -nL
[00:16] <orchata> OerHeks: thanks
[00:17] <wingnut2626> i dont see any values that would reject port 22
[00:17] <jagginess> anyone knows the theora codec ? (good?)
[00:18] <OerHeks> wingnut2626, did you make ssh pub & private keys?
[00:18] <orchata> Ok. Now I have another problem. When I open update manager and check for updates it give me no internet error
[00:19] <wifiman> wingnut2626: might also be a firewall rule on the phone
[00:19] <hylian> wingnut2626: never heard of theora..?? what file type is the codec for?
[00:19] <Jordan_U> !anyone | jagginess
[00:20] <ClientAlive> is there someone who can help me with my screen resolution issue? The vm is useable but only used about half the real estate on my monitor.
[00:20] <wingnut2626> i did not make public and private keys
[00:20] <wingnut2626> would that cause a connection time out?
[00:20] <IveBeenBit> How do I turn off all the "so and so joined" and "so and so" left messages in IRC? Is there a command for that?
[00:21] <hylian> wingnut2626: who are you asking?
[00:21] <jagginess> Jordan_U: it's not a poll, there's very few open source codecs out there.. so i dont see how it can be one..
[00:21] <jagginess> lol
[00:21] <init[dot]d> wingnut2626, no
[00:21] <wifiman> IveBeenBit: i suspect it would be specific to your client
[00:22] <wifiman> wingnut2626: no
[00:22] <IveBeenBit> wifiman - I'm using the web client so probably a slash command - / ....?
[00:22] <Jordan_U> jagginess: I don't understand your question at all. Please rephrase it.
[00:22] <jagginess> Jordan_U: I doubt you know theora.. that's fine to me..
[00:22] <wifiman> IveBeenBit: never used it but /help might give you a command list
[00:23] <wingnut2626> so im just beat it seems....
[00:23] <IveBeenBit> OK never mind. I tried finding something earlier. Thanks tho.
[00:23] <IveBeenBit> I'm trying to install Ubuntu right now and am not sure where to go from here. I need to choose the correct partition to put it on, but the problem is I have 4 HDs in my computer and don't want to overwrite anything important. I already have Windows 7 on and am trying to get a dual boot. I want both Win 7 and Ubuntu to be on my "system" drives, which are 2 x 300 GB drives that are RAID striped via the bios for a total of 600 GB.
[00:24] <wifiman> wingnut2626: no relevant firewall rules on the phone?
[00:24] <IveBeenBit> My 600 GB (total) drive is partitianed already with windows on 1 partiton and the other one is blank
[00:24] <init[dot]d> IveBeenBit, A fast google search will show you some great tutorials
[00:25] <IveBeenBit> init[dot]d - you mean on ubuntu or on IRC?
[00:25] <OerHeks> !google
[00:25] <init[dot]d> http://lifehacker.com/5403100/dual+boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-in-perfect-harmony
[00:25] <IveBeenBit> I think I read that already
[00:25] <init[dot]d> I was looking it up
[00:25] <IveBeenBit> let me see
[00:25] <init[dot]d> So where are you at now?
[00:26] <wingnut2626> how would i find those?
[00:26] <wifiman> wingnut2626: iptables -nL  should work fine inside the chroot
[00:26] <IveBeenBit> Yeah I read that already. My problem is the Ubuntu install is asking me what partition. I have 4 hard drives, 2 in a RAID 0 and 2 in a RAID 1 partiton
[00:27] <IveBeenBit> I just want to make sure I put Ubuntu in the right place. I have a choice of 12 according to the installer
[00:27] <IveBeenBit> otherwise I will overwrite Windows and stuff
[00:27] <hylian> wingnut2626: who are you talking to, me? And about what exactly? I never did quite understand your question...
[00:28] <IveBeenBit> There's all this "/dev/mapper" stuff that refers to some existing partitions that I don't want to screw with.
[00:28] <Lounge> i've gotta a major issue wtih x, everything went to hell after i removed compizconfig-settings-manager, it tainted fglrx, had to reinstall that, no whenever i try to login its just goes right back to the login screen
[00:29] <wingnut2626> negative hylian, im talking to wifiman
[00:29] <wingnut2626> and no wifiman, iptables is not a valid command inside of the chroot
[00:29] <inashdeen> .j #ubuntu-motu
[00:30] <skypce> hello people
[00:30] <skypce> can you helpme to parse a redirect parameter to this url:https://www.odesk.com/jobs/rss?from=find-work&q=css&q?=_redirect
[00:31] <wifiman> wingnut2626: might be worth checking outside the chroot as well; some phones ship with it
[00:32] <wingnut2626> checked the iptalbles from the native OS and i have nothing there either, no rules
[00:32] <orchata> hi guys, I try to update using update manager and at the beginning it starts updating then suddenly "Failed to download repository information. Check you internet connection " error appears
[00:33] <wingnut2626> i started a thread on ubuntuforums too to see if there is any support....man this is wack
[00:33] <mindmelt> Im using Debian but I was wondering how many programs Ubuntu has that can be downloaded?
[00:33] <wifiman> orchata: suspect your internet connection or your ubuntu mirror (if you selected one)
[00:33] <orchata> Internet connection is fine
[00:33] <OerHeks> mindmelt 30000+
[00:34] <mindmelt> OerHeks apt-cache pkgnames | wc -l
[00:34] <TyroneSlothrop> orchata: also verify that you do not have the Install CD as a repo
[00:34] <mindmelt> OerHeks I just got 36650
[00:35] <mindmelt> OerHeks Could you  plz give me the actually number and the version of Ubuntu you are using.
[00:36] <domino14> i'm trying ot install python 2.6 on ubuntu 12.04 and i found this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~fkrull/+archive/deadsnakes
[00:36] <init[dot]d> where did Lounge go?
[00:36] <OerHeks> mindmelt i did not count them actually, i am on 12.04
[00:36] <domino14> i wanna know if there's a good way to tell that the PPA is trusted
[00:36] <domino14> i.e. that it's not full of iranian trojan russian viruses
[00:36] <init[dot]d> domino14, python is in the us Ubuntu mirrors
[00:37] <mindmelt> OerHeks this cmd will tell you apt-cache pkgnames | wc -l   you don't need sudo.
[00:37] <domino14> python 2.6 isn't on precise
[00:37] <IveBeenBit> how about #ubuntu4btc? :-D
[00:38] <OerHeks> mindmelt, 38411
[00:38] <mindmelt> OerHeks dang. Do you have the Universal stuff and non free enabled?
[00:38] <orchata> after about half of the updates it gives me this http://pastebin.com/TaW3rcGi
[00:39] <OerHeks> mindmelt, yes, and partner and some ppa's so my count is not representive
[00:39] <xangua> orchata: natty is no longer supported
[00:39] <xangua> !eol | orchata
[00:39] <ceti331> hi
[00:39] <mindmelt> OerHeks OK that might explain a bit then. Thx for the info.
[00:40] <ceti331> is there debug in ubuntu that can reveal if the trackpad supports 3 fingers (e.g commandline debug..)
[00:40] <orchata> so how to I upgrade to 12.04? Because my update managers suggests me to update to 11.10
[00:40] <zykotick9> !natty | xangua doesn't seem EOL to me?
[00:41] <xangua> zykotick9: still june, lost track of time :P
[00:41] <init[dot]d> orchata, is your distro 10.10?
[00:41] <orchata> 11.04
[00:41] <Daekdroom> orchata, it looks to me that you're using PPAs that no longer exist or that no longer support natty.
[00:41] <orchata> It is netbook. I left it alone for about a year
[00:41] <orchata> and now wanted to upgrade
[00:41] <init[dot]d> ohhh
[00:41] <wifiman> ceti331: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should have it
[00:42] <init[dot]d> orchata, whats your sources.list look like? sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:43] <MageofHope> does anyone know if there's a
[00:43] <wifiman> ceti331: there should be a line like  (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: buttons: left right double triple
[00:43] <MageofHope> updated repository for synaptics drivers?
[00:43] <orchata> init[dot]d: http://pastebin.com/T1YBFFN6
[00:43] <MageofHope> My synaptic touchpad is only recognizing two fingers, but on windows i've got support for at least three
[00:44] <MageofHope> I assume the issue is with precise because apparently it's happening for others
[00:46] <init[dot]d> orchata, and what is the error when you try to upgrade?
[00:47] <wifiman> MageofHope: just guessing here; what output do you get from  synclient|grep Button3
[00:48] <MageofHope> i get a 0
[00:48] <wifiman> MageofHope: aha, try  synclient TapButton3=2
[00:48] <wifiman> or 3 for right-click
[00:49] <orchata> init[dot]d: first it starts downloading at pretty much high speed. Then suddenly window with update progresses closes, opens new one with Failed to download repository information Check your Internet connection.
[00:49] <MageofHope> wifiman: the terminal accepted the command but i'm not sure how to check if it worked
[00:49] <MageofHope> holding down 3 fingers with the touchpad still doesn't seem to do anythign
[00:49] <MageofHope> anything*
[00:50] <wifiman> MageofHope: what is that supposed to do?
[00:51] <MageofHope> I don't know, nothing really? In Unity I understand that using three fingers acts as a middle mouse click and lets you move the window around
[00:51] <MageofHope> I've been hoping to enable three fingers to activate the gnome shell overlay
[00:53] <wifiman> MageofHope: that command should map a three-finger tap to a middle-click, and it should work for tap-and-drag in the same way as for one finger
[00:53] <ClientAlive> has anyone heard if the fixed the spice bug with ubuntu vm's?
[00:53] <MageofHope> it doesn't seem to be doing anything, no :(
[00:53] <MageofHope> unless i have middle clicks disabled somehow?
[00:53] <MageofHope> i guess...that'd explain it?
[00:54] <wifiman> dunno
[00:54] <wifiman> you could probably test by opening a terminal, selecting some text, and middle-clicking (which should paste the selected text)
[00:54] <MageofHope> yeah
[00:55] <MageofHope> it just opens the right-click menu
[00:55] <Kitty_> What is currently the best release for Ubuntu?
[00:55] <MageofHope> as if i was tapping with two fingers
[00:55] <ceti331> has anyone here got "touchegg" working for 3finger gestures on a sony laptop (synaptics trackpad ?)
[00:55] <MageofHope> I've been trying! But touchegg is broken for Precise :')
[00:55] <MageofHope> Gotta wait for the dev to update touchegg
[00:56] <ceti331> ah thats what i'm getting
[00:56] <ceti331> running touchegg , it crashes;
[00:57] <ceti331> Precise = 12.04 ?
[00:57] <domino14> precisely
[00:57] <ceti331> oh well i've got 2 finger scroll at least which is better than windows..
[00:57] <ceti331> did touchegg work in 11.08
[00:58] <MageofHope> ceti331: my understanding is that it did
[00:58] <MageofHope> It broke/breaks with every update, and the dev has to update it to complement the new API
[00:58] <wifiman> MageofHope: i'd guess either the terminal's being weird or the touchpad isn't detecting fingers reliably (in which case you might try spacing them further apart and making sure they hit the surface at about the same time)
[00:58] <MageofHope> but so far the dev hasnt done so yet
[00:59] <wifiman> MageofHope: oh, you could check the terminal by pressing the hardware buttons at the same time to send a middle-click
[00:59] <MageofHope> o..oh!
[00:59] <MageofHope> oh nevermind it totally works
[00:59] <ceti331> damn apple mac... got me addicted to 3 finger desktop switching & expose
[01:00] <MageofHope> but it seems that when i do it on the terminal at least it tries to start a program called "ton3"
[01:00] <MageofHope> on any other window, it does nothing
[01:00] <MageofHope> thanks for the tip about spacing them out, wifiman
[01:00] <MageofHope> i'm not sure what you mean about hardware buttons?
[01:01] <ceti331> maybe OT here, but does "touchegg" work with other distros
[01:01] <MageofHope> well
[01:01] <MageofHope> the problem isn't really with the distros themselves
[01:01] <wifiman> hardware buttons as in mechanical buttons around the touchpad
[01:01] <MageofHope> it's the version of uTouch that precise has
[01:01] <MageofHope> oh, ok
[01:02] <MageofHope> yeah! i tried it again
[01:02] <MageofHope> it works
[01:02] <init[dot]d> orchata, you still around?
[01:02] <orchata> init[dot]d: yes
[01:02] <MageofHope> is there any way i can configure the middle click to do a specific action besides copy pasting things, wifiman?
[01:02] <MageofHope> also, hopefully find out if I can use more fingers, i guess? Touchegg doesn't work so i've been trying to configure multi touch settings by hand for now
[01:03] <orchata> init[dot]d: http://pastebin.com/hYjYEfLg
[01:03] <orchata> init[dot]d: already opened
[01:03] <MageofHope> ceti331: The problem isn't distros, it's the version of uTouch, which is a framework for multitouch input
[01:03] <MageofHope> in the newer distros, utouch has been updated, and now touchegg's API is out of date from utouch's and won't work
[01:03] <Kitty_> Okay, anyone know how I update graphics drivers? Using an Intel 82945G and seriously need an update.
[01:03] <MageofHope> hence why we have to wait for a touchegg update.
[01:04] <MageofHope> Hopefully if the dev can't do it soon someone with programming skills will pick it up and patch it themselves? that'd be nice
[01:04] <wifiman> i wonder if there's still a mesa PPA
[01:05] <ceti331> i am a C/C++ coder
[01:06] <ceti331> but i dont know much about x11, device drivers..
[01:06] <wifiman> MageofHope: afaik the synaptics driver doesn't support more than three fingers; the man page seems to confirm this
[01:06] <ceti331> I'd be willing to try and patch it
[01:06] <ceti331> 3 fingers is enough for me
[01:06] <MageofHope> I thought the xorg-edgers ppa included updates to intel/nvidia/ati drivers?
[01:06] <MageofHope> wifiman: thank you. Yeah, its enough for me too as long as i can configure it. I was just curious
[01:07] <ceti331> 3 finger up=expo down=scale left=next workspace right=prev workspace, that would be fine
[01:07] <MageofHope> It'd be cool if I could get zoom in/out and swipes working but they arent too big a deal except to show off :')
[01:07] <ceti331> on the contrary MageofHope
[01:08] <ceti331> i found multitouch trackpad + expose/spaces allowed a small laptop to punch above its weight for screenspace
[01:08] <ceti331> i think its genuinely useful- its easy to remember gestures and free up hotkey combos
[01:08] <MageofHope> anyway, ceti331 you...might wanna at least take a look at the code then and try it, I guess? As far as I understand the code is already all...there. it just needs to be updated to the current uTouch language, apparently?
[01:09] <MageofHope> I know nothing about code so i wouldn't even know where to start :')
[01:09] <MageofHope> also, I actually agree
[01:09] <ceti331> its worth a try, if i can get this i'll be truly pleased
[01:09] <MageofHope> but i never used gestures before
[01:09] <MageofHope> i had a macbook but i guess it just
[01:09] <MageofHope> never occured to me?
[01:09] <MageofHope> to try them?
[01:09] <MageofHope> but now with gnome shell, I see how useful they would be
[01:09] <ceti331> it was the combination of expose+spaces... 2 zoom levels - it was awesome - the best desktop environment ever
[01:09] <MageofHope> and i kinda wanna experiment and see what i can do
[01:09] <MageofHope> but RIP TOUCHEGG IS BROKEN
[01:10] <FloodBot1> MageofHope: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:10] <MageofHope> i've been trying to make it work for like a month oh...oops sorry
[01:10] <ceti331> MageofHope: i even miss "mission control" , the gestures made it good
[01:10] <MageofHope> :') yeah
[01:11] <ceti331> i fried my mac.. leaky rucksack :(
[01:11] <MageofHope> if you get it working make sure you let me know! Do you want a link to the issue page that says what's wrong with precise and stuff?
[01:11] <ceti331> i've found that page
[01:12] <MageofHope> oh ok, yay. Well I'll be happy to have been of help if you get it working :') i'd really love to make gestures work
[01:12] <tonesfrommars> Hey all, I've been hanging back in 10.10 for a while since this box is my workhorse and I just haven't had the time or courage to sally forth into another version. But now I want to check out GIMP 2.8. Am I asking for trouble if I try to build it myself?
[01:12] <ceti331> 3finger drag is another awesome mac option
[01:13] <MageofHope> as much as i dislike macs they really do have multi touch down, pat
[01:13] <ceti331> OSX is great - just such a bitch to install hehe
[01:13] <MageofHope> i hope touchegg is that useful. have you ever used it before or?
[01:13] <ceti331> never heard of it till 30 mins ago
[01:14] <MageofHope> personally i like linux more than OS X, i guess i just really like Gnome Shell honestly I prefer the interface to just about anything i'm in love :')
[01:14] <MageofHope> tonesfrommars: have you ever compiled anything before?
[01:15] <MageofHope> anyway,  i dont think you're likely to break your system or anything, it's just gimp
[01:15] <tonesfrommars> yeah, I compiled a newer version of Octave recently, so I've dabbbled a bit.
[01:15] <ceti331> when MissionControl gets "expose" back in mountain lion , it will be the best desktop-manager
[01:16] <wifiman> tonesfrommars: if you install it to /usr, yes; if you install it to /usr/local, it might be a pain to uninstall all the various files if you decide to remove it; if you install it to its own prefix, no, but it'll be more of a pain to set up paths and whatnot
[01:17] <wifiman> tonesfrommars: even better would be building it as a package so you can install it to /usr but still have it managed
[01:18] <tonesfrommars> thanks MageofHope: can you recommend any resources on that approach? (I don't quite grok what the difference would be)
[01:19] <MageofHope> personally? I'd just try and find a .deb file somewhere or look for a repository specifically for Gimp
[01:19] <MageofHope> shouldn't be too hard to find, probably
[01:20] <MageofHope> but if you want to build it yourself im not sure what to say, other than to make sure you have build-essential installed as well as configure?? i'm kind of a simpleton with compilation sorry :(
[01:21] <ring0_> good morning
[01:21] <blackbear008> morning.
[01:22] <idlemonkey> good morning
[01:22] <blackbear008> ring0_, are you in Asian?
[01:22] <Lounge> this is terrible, i can't get past the login screen >.<
[01:22] <Lounge> keeps comming back to login
[01:22] <ring0_> Who had used the OWASP zap?
[01:23] <wifiman> Lounge: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[01:23] <Lounge> wifiman: give me a moment
[01:23] <ring0_> yes asia
[01:23] <ring0_> How do you know?
[01:24] <blackbear008> I am in morning.
[01:24] <bazhang> !ot | blackbear008 ring0_
[01:24] <wifiman> Lounge: also might want to check .xsession-errors in your home directory; if the session crashed it cause exactly that problem
[01:24] <Lounge> wifiman:  i can't pastebin, i'm in ttys atm
[01:24] <wifiman> *it would
[01:24] <OerHeks> !pastebinit
[01:24] <wifiman> Lounge: curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us < /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[01:24] <bazhang> Lounge, install pastebinit
[01:25] <OerHeks> or wifiman way
[01:28] <IceGuest_77> Okay, so
[01:28] <IceGuest_77> I installed umbuntu to my flashdrive
[01:28] <IceGuest_77> and it booted up fine
[01:28] <MageofHope> sigh im so dissapointed that theres no easy way to downgrade packages
[01:28] <IceGuest_77> but when i created an account
[01:28] <IceGuest_77> and rebooted
[01:28] <IceGuest_77> my account wasn't there
[01:28] <IceGuest_77> I tried this multiple times
[01:30] <MageofHope> has anyone here ever USED touchegg? I'd like to know how well it works :(
[01:30] <BlueEagle> MageofHope: That is something that Ubuntu is not good at. Well it's an issue with debian at large I guess. Installing older versions of packages was easy enough on Gentoo iirc.
[01:31] <OerHeks> MageofHope, there is an #ubuntu-touch irc channel here on #freenode, maybe they can help?
[01:31] <MageofHope> oh! ok, I wasnt aware
[01:31] <ceti331> +i saw interesting youtube video of multitouch window dragging on a tablet
[01:32] <Lounge> wifiman: that line doesn't work, says unsupported in libcurl
[01:32] <bazhang> Lounge, then install pastebinit
[01:32] <Lounge> bazhang: what do i do with that?
[01:33] <OerHeks> Lounge, works here fine > http://sprunge.us/MPPf
[01:33] <bazhang> Lounge, read the bot link about it above
[01:33] <BlueEagle> !pastebinit | Lounge
[01:33] <wifiman> BlueEagle: still is, although occasionally one needs to pull the ebuild from the attic or something
[01:34] <L3top> MageofHope: you can pin versions of packages to be used... but downgrading is explicitly unsupported.
[01:34] <MageofHope> yeah it seemed super..complicated also i couldn't do it because the version i needed was from an earlier release of ubuntu
[01:34] <L3top> MageofHope: what package are you trying to get at what version?
[01:35] <L3top> MageofHope: version being package version
[01:35] <MageofHope> the entire utouch architecture from Oneiric
[01:35] <MageofHope> since that's the only way to make it...work :')
[01:35] <MageofHope> i'm not sure what number version i need
[01:36] <Lounge> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058416
[01:36] <Lounge> i think
[01:37] <L3top> !info utouch oneiric
[01:37] <fuzzynurfhurter> hi all
[01:37] <wifiman> Lounge: looks like it's still trying to use fglrx; probably an issue with /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:37] <Lounge> i thought fglrx was correct
[01:37] <L3top> wifiman: did you ever give me the output of lspci | grep VGA
[01:37] <wifiman> oops, i may have misread something you said earlier
[01:37] <MageofHope> I guess it's 1.1
[01:38] <wifiman> L3top: i think i missed that message… one moment
[01:38] <MageofHope> !utouch Precise
[01:38] <wifiman> L3top: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Manhattan [Mobility Radeon HD 5430 Series]
[01:38] <MageofHope> !info utouch precise
[01:38] <MageofHope> right. yeah, i need 1.1
[01:38] <L3top> yes, you should use fglrx wifiman.
[01:38] <Lounge> wifiman: i have an ati radeon, what driver should it be using?
[01:38] <wifiman> Lounge: fglrx for good 3D performance, radeon for everything else
[01:39] <MageofHope> but i dont know if downgrading utouch would downgrade all its associated packages, either
[01:39] <wifiman> except apparently HDMI audio on some setups
[01:39] <wifiman> L3top: well, i guess i'm screwed
[01:39] <Lounge> im not so sure if its the drivers, this all started when i removed compizconfig-settings-manager
[01:39] <L3top> fglrx is closed source. The only reason not to use it if you can is personal ethics IMO
[01:40] <Lounge> and after reboot i cant get past the loging
[01:40] <wifiman> when i last used it i remember its Xv support was terrible, although it's been a few years now
[01:40] <L3top> wifiman: this was an hdmi audio problem to begin with yes?
[01:41] <Lounge> does anyone have an idea on how to get the login to work when i can see the desktop again?
[01:41] <wifiman> L3top: my only issue is the audio
[01:41] <wifiman> L3top: everything else works fine on my system
[01:41] <BlueEagle> Lounge: could you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf aswell?
[01:41] <L3top> wifiman: can I get that aplay -l paste again? You probably have to blacklist
[01:42] <Kaizen>  /j #monit
[01:42] <wifiman> L3top: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058306
[01:43] <L3top> can I also please get a pastebin of your /etc/asound.conf wifiman?
[01:43] <wifiman> i've tried unloading both radeon and snd_hda_intel (which creates the HDMI alsa device) and then reloading just radeon with audio=1, didn't work
[01:43] <wifiman> one moment
[01:43] <wifiman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058314
[01:43] <Lounge> alright, i think its a setting in my /home somewhere
[01:44] <wifiman> Lounge: do you have the fglrx kernel module loaded?  (lsmod|grep fglrx)
[01:44] <L3top> wifiman: lastly lsmod | grep snd
[01:45] <aakside> Can I use this kernel with with Precise? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.5-rc4-quantal/
[01:45] <wifiman> L3top: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058429/
[01:45] <Lounge> yes but i just created a new test-user and it logged in successfully
[01:45] <bazhang> aakside, no
[01:46] <wifiman> L3top: confusingly, snd_hda_intel is also the driver for the onboard audio in this system
[01:46] <aakside> bazhang, thanks
[01:46] <Lounge> so its gotta be somewhere in my home settings
[01:46] <tbrown2012fb> I been trying to install wine on OpenSuse?
[01:46] <wifiman> Lounge: i'd bet .xsession-errors in your home directory has something interesting in it
[01:47] <L3top> one second wifiman... making files for you
[01:47] <Lounge> wifiman:  ok i'll cat it and see
[01:50] <L3top> briefly wifiman... does speaker-test -c 2 -t sine -D hw:2,3        make noise?
[01:51] <L3top> speaker-test -c 2 -t sine -l 1 -D hw:2,3    is probably less annoying.
[01:51] <fuzzynurfhurter> i cant get in software package manager anymore says at-get is doing something with it
[01:52] <wifiman> L3top: no sound
[01:52] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, you need to wait til it's finished
[01:53] <L3top> wifiman: using sudo... and does it return errors?
[01:53] <wifiman> L3top: also, i'm getting “Time per period” lines showing about 0.5 when it has run less than .25 second, so i'm guessing it's also running too fast
[01:53] <wifiman> L3top: using sudo, yes; no errors
[01:54] <L3top> wifiman: try speaker-test -c 2 -t sine -D -l 1 plughw:2,3
[01:55] <wifiman> ALSA lib pcm.c:2212:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM -l
[01:55] <wifiman> moved -l 1 to the end of the command and it ran once
[01:55] <L3top> ok..
[01:55] <L3top> that should have gone before the -D sorry
[01:55] <L3top> sloppy edit
[01:56] <L3top> Of course made no noise... right wifiman?
[01:56] <wifiman> right
[01:56] <L3top> please add: options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=0 index=-2         to the end of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[01:56] <L3top> you will need to reboot wifiman after ^
[01:57] <wifiman> reloading snd_hda_intel won't work?
[01:57] <L3top> wifiman: you could also add: options snd-hda-intel model=auto          as well frankly
[01:58] <L3top> wifiman: I am just running through the process I have automated after heaps of testing to do this without interference. Depending on what is using once, simply reloading can cause problems, so I recommend rebooting. Doesn't take that long.
[01:59] <wifiman> alright
[01:59] <L3top> run aplay -l when you return and see if anything has changed w regards to assignment
[01:59] <wifiman> unfortunately i'm using that machine for NAT also; i'll test a module reload first and then reboot if that fails
[01:59] <L3top> no problem wifiman.
[02:00] <myhero> how to install flash player offline....(dont ask why...and suggest software center or apt-get)...i have flashplayer***.deb and its dependency libnspe***.deb but then its downloading adobeflahplayer***.tar.gz.....when i downloaded the same to the same directory as flash***.deb and libnspr***.deb then also its downloading adobeflash****.tar.gz....and without downloading its giving errors....what to do ?
[02:00] <bazhang> myhero, why offline
[02:01] <myhero> bazhang: brother dont ask why....
[02:01] <bazhang> myhero, why not
[02:01] <bazhang> !offline > myhero
[02:01] <myhero> bazhang: very long story....
[02:01] <bazhang> myhero, check the bot link
[02:02] <fuzzynurfhurter> i dl avant window navigator and it wond even appear
[02:02] <myhero> bazhang: yea read it...
[02:02] <fuzzynurfhurter> when i clicak on it
[02:02] <vientosolar> Hi to all. How I can solve this error? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058442/
[02:02] <bazhang> myhero, if you want help, then you need to answer some questions.
[02:02] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, downloaded it from where
[02:03] <myhero> ok thnx....
[02:03] <myhero> bye
[02:03] <myhero> exit
[02:03] <fuzzynurfhurter> on software center
[02:04] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, it wont appear when you click on it? what are you clicking on then
[02:04] <fuzzynurfhurter> it did then would never let me back in to it then i rebooted
[02:04] <fuzzynurfhurter> the icon in the menu for it
[02:04] <L3top> vientosolar: it looks like you have a malformed/bad sources.list can you pastebin the output of /etc/apt/sources.list and ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d ?
[02:04] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, for USC? for AWN? or what
[02:05] <L3top> vientosolar: the first should read cat /etc/apt/sources.list    sorry
[02:05] <fuzzynurfhurter> i dont know what that is
[02:05] <vientosolar> ok
[02:05] <bazhang> ubuntu software center = usc
[02:05] <bazhang> avant window navigator = awn
[02:05] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, ^
[02:05] <Anxi80> anyone else having trouble downloading Quickly off the Ubuntu Software Center?
[02:05] <fuzzynurfhurter> awn
[02:06] <fuzzynurfhurter> i still think im lost man
[02:06] <vientosolar> This is sources.list L3top
[02:06] <sacarlson> Anxi80: if it's slow you might try change the repository window to another country
[02:06] <vientosolar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058448/
[02:07] <sacarlson> Anxi80: change to another mirror repository
[02:07] <Anxi80> sacarlson: it's not that its slow but that it fails everytime
[02:07] <sacarlson> Anxi80: I have you tried another repository mirror already?  like japan?
[02:08] <L3top> That looks pretty normal vientosolar... gimme a minute to look closer.
[02:08] <Anxi80> sacarlson: I have never tried to switch repositories for things I get through USC
[02:08] <xi32> I have a modem that is compatible with the csc acm driver although Ubuntu does not detect/load/setup everything upon insertion that it should. It uses the same chipset as another modem (but with a different device id) that is detected and does get setup automatically. if I plug that modem in first, unplug it, and then plug in the other modem everything works.
[02:09] <xi32> any idea how to fix this?
[02:09] <sacarlson> Anxi80: I norrmaly get fast connections from univisity thailand but at times there repository is incomplete or in the process of sync, so I change and it works
[02:10] <fuzzynurfhurter> bazhang it says its install on the system but i cant get it to start up
[02:11] <bazhang> how are you trying to start it fuzzynurfhurter
[02:11] <Anxi80> sacarlson: Can I change the repo just for this particular application in USC or does it change the repo for all apps in USC?
[02:11] <bazhang> Anxi80, all
[02:11] <Anxi80> bazhang, ok thanks
[02:11] <fuzzynurfhurter> double clicking it in the menu
[02:11] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, try alt f2
[02:12] <sacarlson> Anxi80: it's a simple change in the synaptic gui,  you can change it back later when USC works
[02:12] <fuzzynurfhurter> nothing
[02:12] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, what did you do, and what was the result
[02:13] <fuzzynurfhurter> what do u mean??
[02:13] <sacarlson> Anxi80: the repo is the same it's just a different mirror,  just the files needed for the app installed are effected
[02:13] <pmp6nl> Hello, does anyone know how to supress the following error from being logged? Thanks.  [UFW BLOCK] IN= OUT=wlan0 SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=<IP_ADDRESS> LEN=140 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=21327 DPT=21327 LEN=120
[02:13] <luwei> join #linuxjournal
[02:13] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, type alt f2   a run box will appear. in the run box type the name of the application
[02:14] <fuzzynurfhurter>  i installed it it did it closed it all then tried to get into software center again and it wouldnt
[02:14] <fuzzynurfhurter> i did that already it did nothing
[02:14] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, you're not listening to my instructions
[02:15] <conley> Is there a way to set multimonitor settings for the login screen?
[02:15] <Anxi80> sacarlson, thanks for the help
[02:15] <fuzzynurfhurter> i did alt f2 and put in avant windows navigator and it did nothing
[02:15] <sacarlson> Anxi80: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[02:15] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, what exactly did you type.
[02:16] <loneclock> what command can i use to mount my windows directory to my desktop i tried sudo mount -ro /dev/sda2 mnt
[02:16] <fuzzynurfhurter> avant and then something came up on it and i selected that 1
[02:17] <yugnay> Guys, How amule relevant to Firefox with Ed2k ?
[02:17] <bazhang> avant-window-navigator   <----- cut and paste that exactly into alt f2 fuzzynurfhurter
[02:17] <yugnay> Freshman in Ubuntu Studio
[02:17] <bazhang> yugnay, thats not on topic here
[02:17] <fuzzynurfhurter> it wont let me cut and paste of of irc chat
[02:18] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, sure it will. highlight it then middle click to paste it
[02:18] <fuzzynurfhurter> no such file or directory
[02:19] <fuzzynurfhurter> it just give me the settings stuff when i do that
[02:19] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, open the terminal, and type it then
[02:19] <sacarlson> loneclock: that might work if the directory mnt exists
[02:20] <merk_> Hello all. Can anyone tell me how to restart x.org and unity using the command line? My graphical interface has crashed =/
[02:20] <fuzzynurfhurter> bazhang  (avant-window-navigator:2256): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_key_file_load_from_data: assertion `length != 0' failed
[02:20] <fuzzynurfhurter> ** ERROR **: awn-app.vala:87: Unable to retrieve panels config value: Key file does not have group 'panels'
[02:20] <fuzzynurfhurter> Trace/breakpoint trap
[02:20] <sacarlson> loneclock: note you didn't put /mnt  so it might end up at ~/mnt I guess
[02:20] <FloodBot1> fuzzynurfhurter: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:20] <Strategos> Heya hiya.
[02:22] <fuzzynurfhurter> could i apt-get it again and try to get the files??
[02:24] <fuzzynurfhurter> what is command to remove stuff the apt get
[02:25] <Strategos>  sudo apt-get remove "package-name"
[02:25] <Strategos> No quotations.
[02:25] <wifiman> L3top: cards 0 and 2 (onboard and HDMI) got swapped; same symptoms except aplay with /dev/urandom no longer shows underruns (but top reveals it's still running way too fast)
[02:26] <merk_> Does anyone know how to restart the x server using the command line?
[02:26] <Strategos> sudo restart kdm
[02:26] <lduros> startx starts it
[02:26] <lduros> no?
[02:27] <L3top> and can you test audio with the speaker-test and appropriate card?
[02:27] <wifiman> L3top: speaker-test had exactly the same result
[02:27] <fuzzynurfhurter> will just have to uninstall it and do over again lol
[02:27] <merk_> unknown service kdm
[02:28] <merk_> and it's already starrted, i need to restart it
[02:28] <merk_> because the graphical interface crashed
[02:28] <wifiman> merk_: try gdm or lightdm in place of kdm
[02:28] <L3top> wifiman: to be clear... you have opened alsamixer and unmuted everything right?
[02:28] <merk_> and apparently ctrl-alt-baackspace/delete doesn't work anymore in the new ubuntu
[02:28] <wifiman> L3top: the only control for HDMI (now card 0) is S/PDIF, and it is unmuted
[02:29] <L3top> wifiman: if not... you can just run sudo amixdigital=$(amixer | grep "Simple" | cut -d' ' -f4,5,6 | sort | uniq); for output in $amixdigital; do amixer sset $output unmute; done 2>/dev/null; alsactl store
[02:29] <merk_> thank you wifiman, that did it
[02:29] <merk_> exit
[02:29] <L3top> skip the sudo actually wifiman...
[02:29] <xmint9> hello
[02:29] <xmint9> everyone
[02:29] <Strategos> Heya hiya, Xmint.
[02:29] <xmint9> have a good day
[02:29] <xmint9> :)
[02:30] <L3top> hmmm... ok wifiman... I am going to give you a very different asound.conf... so back yours up in /etc
[02:30] <Strategos> I'm so glad there's hardware support in Ubuntu.  This is running so much better than PC-BSD.
[02:30] <Strategos> And there's actually support documentation that's current.
[02:33] <L3top> Im sorry wifiman... I need to see your current aplay -l again now that things are different.
[02:34] <Nom-> Anyone know if there's some backported slapd 2.4.31 packages around for lucid?
[02:34] <wifiman> L3top: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058472/
[02:36] <Guest58658> I am new to programming just building things with my brother trying to get some experience he is camping and I cant remember what command in terminal for copying what i just did so that it shows on local host.
[02:36] <L3top> wifiman: and just to be clear, speaker-test on 2,1 produces nothing?
[02:37] <guest-KVmtZJ> Ok so now whenever I log into my main account it flashes a black terminal for a second and then restarts
[02:37] <guest-KVmtZJ> But when I log into my guest account its fine
[02:37] <wifiman> L3top: 2,1 is the optical output i've been using (when it was 0,1), and there's no cable connecting the mainboard to the video card, but i can check anyway
[02:37] <xmint9> O:-)
[02:37] <guest-KVmtZJ> This is right after I tried to sudo restart lightdm to get it working after the graphical interface crashed
[02:37] <L3top> wifiman:  I expected that it was toslink... just wanted confirm
[02:38] <guest-KVmtZJ> That worked into restarting the x server but then I couldn't log into my main account
[02:40] <guest-KVmtZJ> Anyone? When I log into my main user accoutn right after I authenticate with the password it immediately restarts the lightdm so I have to relogin ad nasaeum
[02:40] <guest-KVmtZJ> But when I use the guest account it's fine
[02:40] <wifiman> L3top: confirmed; it's still running optical and not HDMI
[02:40] <matti_> hi what package supports 2.1 speaker system on laptops ?
[02:41] <wifiman> matti_: the kernel should handle that out-of-the-box; you can get a list of the devices it detected with  aplay -l
[02:41] <Anxi80> sacarlson, finally it turns out running Software Updater and rebooting fixed my problem. Quickly installed successfully through USC. Thanks again for the help.
[02:42] <sacarlson> Anxi80: oh I should of thought of the update,  good move
[02:42] <wifiman> matti_: 2.1 systems are usually just treated as stereo, with the hardware doing mixdown for the subwoofer, but it might be wired separately
[02:43] <L3top> wifiman: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058476/   give that a try... but... I really do want you to reboot. Reloading alsa is just... not remarkably foolproof... but.. your call.
[02:43] <Linux_Guy> most 2.1s use the standard jack that I've seen
[02:43] <wifiman> L3top: i rejoined after rebooting with the module options you gave me
[02:43] <matti_> wifiman, well the test fails and the sound sound only in the left speaker and not the right one  ...
[02:44] <ylmfos>
[02:44] <Strategos>
[02:44] <matti_> and is at max tried with alsa mixer but no good result, i remember that i used to have some kind of alsa mixer to control all speakers but can not remember now ...
[02:44] <wifiman> L3top: the Download as text link is redirecting me to some sort of login page
[02:45] <L3top> bah
[02:45] <Valtam> have an issue on 12.04, keyboard repeat is not working, even though it is enabled
[02:46] <L3top> wifiman: http://pastebin.com/1HEeQebU
[02:46] <notguest> Whenever I log into my account on lightdm it restarts lightdm, but not with my guest account, can anyone help?
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> Valtam:  as a test. see if it works in the  console. i recall seeeing similer bugs in the past.. but its been a long time
[02:46] <Linux_Guy> have you tried making another user account?
[02:46] <notguest> THis is right after my graphical interface crashed so i tried to sudo restart lightdm on my commandline, now it won't stop restarting it
[02:47] <Valtam> Dr_Willis, works in a terminal
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> notguest:  try stopping  lightdm totally.  and then from the console. try startx to see if it works,, and if any error messages show up.
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> Valtam:  you mean the alt-ctrl-f1-f6 consoles?
[02:47] <Linux_Guy> and try a system reboot if you have not done that already
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> Valtam:  or you mean terminals in X ?
[02:48] <wifiman> L3top: aplay: main:660: audio open error: No such file or directory
[02:48] <Valtam> Dr_Willis, I mean terminals in X
[02:48] <wifiman> L3top: i'll retry with hdmi:0,3 instead of hdmi:0
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> Valtam:  in gnome-terminal? or some other terminal app?
[02:49] <matti_> wifiman, how do i check what kind of sound card it have detected ???, aplay -l does not work for me with ubuntu 12.04
[02:49] <L3top> that was going to be the suggestion... but... I do not expect that is the issue. It will usually just fire... I think it is the converter plugs
[02:49] <Valtam> xfce terminal emulator
[02:49] <notguest> So yes I created a new account and I can log into that just fine
[02:49] <Linux_Guy> grep | sysinfo I think it is
[02:49] <notguest> But I need access to the account that is crashing
[02:50] <notguest> Why would lightdm restart upon successful login?
[02:50] <Valtam> Dr_Willis, it is not working anywhere in the system, web browser etc etc
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> notguest:  you could reset various desktop settings in the problem account.
[02:50] <wifiman> L3top: that's odd… the line before that is a dmix error, but dmix isn't in that PCM chain
[02:50] <Linux_Guy> or migrate to the new user account and delete the problematic one
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> Valtam:  so it works in xfce terms, but not in gnome-terminal, or in firefox. or gedit.
[02:50] <wifiman> L3top: and root has no ~/.asoundrc
[02:51] <Valtam> in anything
[02:51] <xmint9> --help
[02:51] <Valtam> doesnt work in anything
[02:51] <Valtam> system wide
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> you justsaid it worked in terminals...
[02:51] <Valtam> Valtam> Dr_Willis, it is not working anywhere in the system, web browser etc etc
[02:52] <notguest> Dr_Willis, how would I do that?
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> try the CONSOLE on alt-ctrl f1 and see if it works there.
[02:52] <wifiman> matti_: if aplay -l shows no cards, then there's probably no driver loaded, and i wouldn't know where to go from there… sorry
[02:52] <xmint9> what is "guake", is it the duplicate of gnome-terminal? or else?
[02:52] <notguest> xmint9, it's a terminal that overlays your working environment, its pretty neat. try it out I use it for all my terminal needs =]
[02:53] <matti_> wifiman, the function aplay does not exist as an command in mine .. what repo have that command ??
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> notguest:  theres various . directories that hold most of the users settings.  you could rename them. the webupd8 blog site has the proper commands to totally reset unity, and compiz also.
[02:53] <matti_> wifiman,  or install it separately with package manager
[02:53] <xmint9> notguest: so is it... hai wakarimashita...
[02:54] <sacarlson> !find aplay
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> they really need tomake some backup/restore/reset user settings tool....
[02:55] <Linux_Guy> ubuntu tweak
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> an official tool...
[02:55] <sacarlson> Dr_Willis: agreed
[02:55] <Linux_Guy> even so
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> one that could  arvchive to your ubuntu one account would be nice.
[02:56] <Linux_Guy> yes it would
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> ive seen  some  hacks to sort of do that with your actual settings. linking them to your U1 dir.. but i bet that could cause even worse issues. ;)
[02:56] <Valtam> fixed it, System, Keyboard, Layout, unticked 'Use System Defaults'
[02:56] <Linux_Guy> but then regular backups should be everyone's philosophy :)  I try to do it often.. don't always do it as I should but hey, no one is perfect
[02:57] <Valtam> funny that System Defaults are fail
[02:57] <Valtam> :s
[02:57]  * L3top takes that as an excellent cue to start a backup... been a minute.
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> backup your backups while backing up...
[02:57] <L3top> wifiman: I am very confuzled by your circumstance.
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[02:58] <matti_> wifiman,
[02:58] <matti_> wifiman,  alsa-utils was missing, working now yahooooooooooooo
[02:58] <Linux_Guy> I know I borked my user account. backed up everything to a new account and that solved it
[02:58] <matti_> wifiman,  Thnak you
[02:59] <matti_> wifiman,  Thank you very much
[02:59] <L3top> wifiman: frankly, if you have it in aplay and cant test it... and it isn't muted... (which that long command I gave you would make sure it isn't) then... not much I do trying to configure it to use it automagic is going to really work.
[02:59] <Linux_Guy> matti_,  that is awesome :) always good to have sound working
[02:59] <matti_> yes, it is like night and day ...
[02:59] <Linux_Guy> indeed
[03:00] <matti_> alsa-utils not installed but i installed it with synaptic package manager that i installed separately ... :)
[03:00] <Dr_Willis> !info alsa-utils
[03:00] <Dr_Willis> odd tht you  needed to install that..
[03:01] <Linux_Guy> yeah sometimes you have to go outside the usc
[03:01] <L3top> It is not an auto dl with alsa-base... but... as a general distro install it would be weird
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> .. only avail for 'linux-any'  hmm.. that just seems.. weird also..
[03:01] <matti_> ubottu,  should be installed, saves a lot so head ache ...
[03:04] <bugaloo> guys... I have a .so file, like /usr/lib/something.so... is there any command to find what package this is part of?
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> !info apt-file
[03:04] <bugaloo> I mean...  But keep in mind......
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> ;P
[03:05] <bugaloo> :P
[03:06] <Dr_Willis> irc bots talking to each other on irc.. learning.. evoloving..
[03:08] <bugaloo> it worked great, that's what I needed, thanks again
[03:09] <wifiman> L3top: i suspect it's some sort of driver or firmware issue
[03:09] <wifiman> L3top: in any case, thanks for your help
[03:09] <matti_> Hi, well get the soubnd to work but now the volume control is not as expected, missing something else except alsa-utils
[03:10] <brian418_> does anyone have an idea as to why I cannot run ltsp build-client w/o getting a 'failed getting release file' error? 10.04 LTS server.
[03:10] <wifiman> it's a shame AES/EBU never became popular for this stuff…
[03:10] <fuzzynurfhurter> how in the lxde session can i change the desktop?
[03:10] <bugaloo> matti_, what's the version of ubuntu and your sound card?
[03:10] <matti_> ubottu,  other usefull alsa -utils programs
[03:10] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, get back to the login window and select there
[03:11] <matti_> i have 12.04
[03:11] <bazhang> matti_, /msg ubottu
[03:11] <bugaloo> matti_, it's not a vaio laptop, is it? hehe
[03:12] <fuzzynurfhurter> no i mean im in lxde but i cant change the background screen
[03:12] <matti_> bugaloo,  ubuntu 12-04 but i can not check sound car version , no it is dell inspiron e1705
[03:12] <bazhang> fuzzynurfhurter, the wallpaper?
[03:12] <wifiman> matti_: maybe try running alsamixer and playing around with the controls
[03:12] <SrPx> Is there a replacement for Everything on Ubuntu?
[03:12] <fuzzynurfhurter> yes
[03:13] <bugaloo> matti_, can't you check it on lspci?
[03:13] <SrPx> what?
[03:13] <matti_> wifiman,  that workls but one on youtube only one speakers is controlled ...
[03:13] <bazhang> SrPx, whats that mean
[03:13] <matti_> bugaloo,  let me try the aplay -l did not exist, pretty strange ... hold on
[03:14] <SrPx> ?
[03:15] <SrPx> bazhang: everything , a tool that indexes all your files and lets you search fastly
[03:15] <bazhang> SrPx, the system db?
[03:15] <SrPx> pardon bazhang
[03:16] <matti_> bugaloo,  can not find it but i guess it is intel
[03:16] <bazhang> SrPx, db = database
[03:16] <bugaloo> matti_, if you can't see it on lspci, something very strange is happening hehe
[03:16] <matti_> bugaloo,  sorry here it is : Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (r
[03:16] <asterismo> hey i need help with something
[03:16] <asterismo> i'm using xubuntu 12.04
[03:16] <matti_> asterismo,  just ask the question  and somebody will try to help ...
[03:17] <asterismo> i'm trying to set a keyboard shortcut in XFCE
[03:17] <asterismo> the the command i want to run is "amixer set Master toggle"
[03:17] <asterismo> and the key is XF86AudioMute
[03:17] <asterismo> and the command does not execute
[03:18] <asterismo> it does execute with other key combination
[03:18] <asterismo> but that key is in my keyboard indicating the mute funciton
[03:18] <asterismo> why it cannot be setup like this?
[03:19] <wifiman> asterismo: maybe something else already has that key bound; probably the XFCE volume control applet
[03:19] <asterismo> the key does not work for anything else
[03:19] <asterismo> i press and nothing happens
[03:19] <Linux_Guy> even so it may still be bound
[03:19] <asterismo> so i want to associate that key to run the mute command
[03:19] <wifiman> try running the command    xev
[03:19] <Linux_Guy> I've seen that happen before
[03:20] <wifiman> then click on the window that appears and press the key
[03:20] <sacarlson> asterismo: I think in gnome you can go to System>preference>keyboard shortcuts,  but I'm not sure how xfce is setup
[03:20] <wifiman> if the terminal that xev was run from doesn't show anything about XF86AudioMute when you press or release it, then something else has already grabbed the key
[03:20] <asterismo> sacarlson, sorry, in #xubuntu channel nobody answers me since 2 days
[03:21] <arooni-mobile> \seeking recommendations for the idea EQ setting for my ubuntu 12.04 laptop;  i normally listen to electronic music through my ultimateears earphones
[03:21] <asterismo> so i'm asking here
[03:21] <fuzzynurfhurter> k i got it now bazhang
[03:22] <sacarlson> asterismo: maybe try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/90513/how-do-i-change-my-keyboard-shortcuts-in-xubuntu
[03:23] <sacarlson> arooni-mobile: crank then noobs till you like what it sounds like,  that's what the noobs are for
[03:24] <Dr_Willis> knobs...
[03:24] <sacarlson> Dr_Willis: ya knooobs
[03:24] <Dr_Willis> noobs.. sounds.. dirty. ;)
[03:24] <agc93> Anyone else here getting regular segfaults in the nvidia driver??
[03:25] <asterismo> sacarlson, that is for changing of workspace
[03:25] <Noc2> I did running arch.  But not with ubuntu lts
[03:25] <asterismo> i'm trying to launch a command from a keyboard shortcut
[03:25] <asterismo> the command is "amixer set Master toggle"
[03:25] <asterismo> but the shortcut do not work, althought it works from terminal
[03:26] <asterismo> the command works from terminal...
[03:26] <sacarlson> asterismo: you can use a keyboard short cut to do anything you want that was just there example
[03:26] <asterismo> so i do not see why it would not work from a key combination
[03:26] <wifiman> asterismo: if you can prevent the volume control from running at login, it should work
[03:26] <wifiman> i think it's something like Settings→Config Manager→Session and Startup
[03:27] <asterismo> volume control?
[03:27] <asterismo> what is that app?
[03:27] <asterismo> xfce4-volumed you mean¿?
[03:28] <asterismo> wifiman, so you say that xfce4-volumed captures the key before the actual key shortcut applies?
[03:28] <wifiman> asterismo: pretty much yeah
[03:28] <Noc2> anyone had a chance to tinker with a raspberry pi yet?
[03:28] <wifiman> asterismo: and yeah disabling xfce4-volumed and logging out and back in should make it work
[03:28] <wifiman> asterismo: although this will probably remove the normal behavior of any other volume keys
[03:28] <asterismo> wifiman, but would i lost my volume notifications?
[03:29] <wifiman> asterismo: possibly, idk
[03:29] <asterismo> no i setup manually every key
[03:29] <OerHeks> asterismo, "amixer --quiet set 'Master Front' toggle" > http://www.ubunturoot.com/2011/08/control-volume-via-keyboard.html
[03:30] <asterismo> is there anyway to get rid of pulseaudio and still have banshee and totem in XFCE?
[03:30] <asterismo> because i don't like parole or gmusicbrowser
[03:30] <asterismo> OerHeks, but still have to disable xfce4-volumed
[03:31] <wifiman> asterismo: i was thinking at least banshee supports alsa
[03:31] <ironhoof> I am installing ubuntu on a friends machine, and he has a USB camera mic, I loaded pulse audio volume control, and selected the mic but it gives a timed out error and it hangs for a moment.
[03:31] <fuzzynurfhurter> 3 hrs to get wine sucks ass
[03:32] <ironhoof> it works sometimes, but its lost on restart
[03:32] <IdleOne> fuzzynurfhurter: please watch the language
[03:32] <fuzzynurfhurter> sry almost worse than a sailor
[03:32] <asterismo> and totem is older than pulseaudio, so it must support alsa
[03:33] <ironhoof>  kernel: [  494.217647] 3:3:3: usb_set_interface failed
[03:33] <Abaza> Merhaba. Nasılsın?
[03:34] <wifiman> ironhoof: does unplugging and re-plugging the camera do anything?
[03:34] <ironhoof> Yes it shows back up in pulse, and seems like it works, but when trying to initialize it as default in pulse audio control it gives a time oout error
[03:35] <ironhoof> i also found this:  mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 8 was not an MTP device
[03:37] <fuzzynurfhurter> hey how would u get the session to be saved??
[03:39] <ironhoof> I think i found another error
[03:39] <ironhoof> [alsa-source] alsa-source.c: Failed to set hardware parameters: Input/output error
[03:39] <sambagirl> save a session?
[03:39] <sambagirl> run it as a vm?
[03:40] <fuzzynurfhurter> yeah it never loads the wallpaper i want it to
[03:40] <fuzzynurfhurter> ??
[03:40] <prime_> @search secret codes
[03:40] <sambagirl> what os are you using?>
[03:40] <sambagirl> ver?
[03:40] <sambagirl> i run 10.10 never have a problem with anything
[03:41] <sambagirl> you snhould just set your wallpaper
[03:41] <fuzzynurfhurter> lxde xubuntu 11.10
[03:41] <sambagirl> umm i didnt like 11.10 so i kept to 10.10.
[03:41] <sambagirl> sorry i can't help you
[03:41] <fuzzynurfhurter> i want it to load when linux does
[03:41] <sambagirl> oh you mean like a splash screen?
[03:42] <fuzzynurfhurter> sambagirl Linux Laptop 3.0.0-21-generic
[03:44] <fuzzynurfhurter> should i update??
[03:45] <fuzzynurfhurter> sambagirl
[03:47] <kantian> christian bale has been tapped to play jerry sandusky in "American Pedo"
[03:47] <Linux_Guy> lol
[03:47] <fuzzynurfhurter> lol
[03:48] <kantian> jerry lewis is suing sandusky, claiming he has the trademark on "jerry's kids"
[03:51] <OY1R> how can i look at what is coming in the serial port in the terminal ?
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> OY1R:  years ago you could do somthing like 'sudo cat /dev/ttyS0'
[03:53] <Sam_L> How would I give one of my users permission to edit/mike files owned by www-data?
[03:53] <Sam_L> make*
[03:53] <Dr_Willis> or whatever device the serial port is
[03:53] <vexati0n> How do i mount a CIFS share from /etc/fstab, so that all users on my system have full read/write access?
[03:53] <vexati0n> file_mode/dir_mode apparently have no effect at all.
[03:54] <OY1R> Dr_Willis, how do i set the baud rate to 4800 ?
[03:54] <wifiman> Sam_L: you'll either need to make those files writable by a group the users belong to, or add an ACL to each file for each user
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> OY1R:  i recall there being a setserial command. last i messed with serial ports was like 6+ years ago
[03:55] <Sam_L> wifiman: I did make a group and added my user to it then chowned the files, but it still won't work. Do you know of any good tutorials to setup ACL?
[03:55] <wifiman> OY1R: picocom -b 4800 /dev/ttyS0
[03:55] <asterismo> wifiman, i removed pulseaudio
[03:55] <OY1R> thanks
[03:55] <asterismo> and the keys work very nice
[03:55] <asterismo> now
[03:55] <asterismo> totem wont play a souund
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> terminal app makes things easier. :) if thats what you want
[03:55] <asterismo> as well as gnome-mplayer
[03:55] <wifiman> Sam_L: note that chown only sets group if you use a colon, and you'll need to chmod as well
[03:55] <asterismo> now i only have alsa
[03:56] <Sam_L> wifiman: I did set the colon. What would I need to chmod?
[03:56] <keo-w> hrm, i just moved an ubuntu box from one esxi server to another and its missing its nic now. anyone seen this?:)
[03:56] <bugaloo> ok, one problem solved :) let's to the next... I have a vaio laptop that doesn't recognize Fn buttons. I'd like to get it to work, specially the Brightness controle, for battery save mostly... any leads?
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> players need to be set touse alsa instead of Pulse audio perhaps
[03:56] <OY1R> i have serial port term installed, i just wanted to know how to see it in the normal terminal
[03:56] <wifiman> Sam_L: all the files need to be group-writable (chmod g+w file1 file2…)
[03:56] <asterismo> parole vs totem?
[03:56] <Sam_L> wifiman: Does that open up any exploits? Since these are web files.
[03:57] <wifiman> Sam_L: group writable only means that the file group now has write access; if any web scripts run with that group, you might want to create a different group for this purpose
[03:58] <curiouserandcuri> im just a curious person, how does one get a VIRUS on a linux system, i know its pretty hard to do, but how does a virus get ONTO a linux computer?
[03:58] <Sam_L> wifiman: Thank you.
[03:58] <wifiman> curiouserandcuri: same way it gets onto a windows system; security hole, someone downloading and running an untrusted program, someone tampering with the computer…
[03:59] <curiouserandcuri> wifiman, hmm i havent gotten one since *shrug*
[03:59] <wifiman> OY1R: picocom will run in a terminal, but if you want to access the port directly, you might be able to set the baud rate with stty
[04:01] <notkevin>  have a MacBook Pro (MacBookPro5,4 if it matters) and the touchpad is too sensitive, almost to the point of not being usable.  Anyone have any tips? I have been playing with synclient for a few days but I can't seem to find the right settings.  I am having lots of accidental clicks and when I do try to click the pointer jumps around.
[04:02] <wifiman> curiouserandcuri: using proper package management reduces the attack surface significantly; you only have to trust the package repositories you use, instead of some random website a program was downloaded from
[04:02] <curiouserandcuri> wifiman, oh yeah haha i have that common computer knowledge, i just wondered if there was some secret way
[04:04] <Sam_L> Also, I'm trying to setup a simple mail server so that PHP can send mail. What would be the utmost easist way to do this?
[04:04] <wifiman> notkevin: you might be able to reduce the sensitivity with the synclient program
[04:05] <wifiman> notkevin: synclient|grep Speed
[04:05] <waterfoul_> I was trying to move /home onto another partition and now every time I try to login to the gui It kicks back to the login screen.... I went digging around and found "** (nautilus:1858): CRITICAL **: syncdaemon_status_info_get_online: assertion `SYNCDAEMON_IS_STATUS_INFO (sinfo)' failed" in ~/.xsession-errors How do I fix it?
[04:05] <wifiman> notkevin: and then set the MinSpeed and MaxSpeed values lower with a command like   synclient MinSpeed=.5 MaxSpeed=.5
[04:06] <notkevin> wifiman: i have tried playing with the different setting but I cant seem to find which ones control what, there seems to be a serious lack of documentation on it. The man page is not helpful.
[04:07] <wifiman> notkevin: this might also mean that the touchpad's dimensions are set wrong, which could be fixed with the various Edge parameters
[04:07] <wifiman> notkevin: the parameters are specified in the synaptics man page
[04:08] <notkevin> wifiman: I have not looked into the dimensions yet. Thanks for the tip about the info in the synaptics man page, I didn't know that information was in there.
[04:09] <waterfoul_> I was trying to move /home onto another partition and now every time I try to login to the gui It kicks back to the login screen.... I went digging around and found "** (nautilus:1858): CRITICAL **: syncdaemon_status_info_get_online: assertion `SYNCDAEMON_IS_STATUS_INFO (sinfo)' failed" in ~/.xsession-errors How do I fix it? (P.S. I can get into the guest account)
[04:10] <SeedThisBook> too soon for 12.10?
[04:11] <wifiman> waterfoul_: just guessing here… maybe a file was in use during the move?
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> waterfoul_:  as a test try making a new user. see if it works for them. if it does. that would point to a problem with  the problem users settings files. perhaps an ownership issue
[04:11] <waterfoul_> thanks thats it!
[04:12] <Dr_Willis> i always copy, then remount home to the new place. :)) never just move..
[04:12] <waterfoul_> is there any way to get the .* globbing to not catch ..?
[04:13] <wifiman> waterfoul_: .[!.]* will match a dot followed by a non-dot
[04:13] <waterfoul_> ok thanks.... every other linux distro's bash binaries' globbing woudl avoid this problem.....
[04:14] <tr3nton> in a dual gpu system, is there any way to actually find which gpu is in use?
[04:14] <wifiman> waterfoul_: i think you can set GLOBIGNORE to avoid matching . and ..
[04:16] <wifiman> oops, i should've included ..?*
[04:21] <jerry_l> hello room
[04:21] <tr3nton> !amd
[04:21] <tr3nton> !ati
[04:21] <xiangjianfeng> hello jierry_l
[04:21] <Sam_L> I'm trying to setup a simple mail server so that PHP can send mail. What would be a simple way to do this?
[04:22] <tr3nton> !status
[04:23] <xiangjianfeng> sorry,i don't know
[04:23] <jerry_l> got new android tablet os 2.3.4 with ubuntu kernel ver ..... checking booting...
[04:23] <jerry_l> sam is smtp already set up?
[04:24] <eph3meral> so I made my own shared lib with gcc -shared but I cannot for the life of me get it installed in the library path
[04:24] <eph3meral> LD_LIBRARY_PATH is deprecated on Ubuntu as I found out
[04:24] <eph3meral> you're allowed to use /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf though, so I added my own file there
[04:24] <eph3meral> with /usr/local/lib/mylib in it
[04:25] <eph3meral> but when I attempt to use -lmylib i keep getting not found
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> eph3meral:  you rerean sudo ldconfig ?
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> reran
[04:26] <jerry_l> kernel <IP_ADDRESS> @ubuntu #0
[04:26] <Dr_Willis> been ages since ive messed with  libs. ;) i recall each tome you add a new dir to the pathyou rerun ldconfig to get it cached/scanned/used
[04:26] <eph3meral> Dr_Willis, yes
[04:26] <eph3meral> Dr_Willis, sudo ldconfig -v
[04:26] <jerry_l> how do i get the rox file manager from puppy linux on to my tablet?
[04:26] <eph3meral> is what I ran
[04:27] <eph3meral> so I realized this, though it hasn't been mentioned in *any* of the docs I'm reading
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> jerry_l:  its in the repos last i looked
[04:27] <eph3meral> do I need to add my header file(s) ?
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> jerry_l:  called rox-filer i think
[04:27] <eph3meral> like to /usr/local/include for example?
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> !info rox-filer
[04:27] <eph3meral> or is that a m00t point with an .so file?
[04:28] <wifiman> eph3meral: header files are only used by the preprocessor, at compile time
[04:28] <eph3meral> also, does anyone happen to know which is more lightweight, openbox or fluxbox?
[04:28] <eph3meral> i know it seems trivial, but this virtual machine runs pretty darn slow
[04:28] <Dr_Willis> eph3meral:  i would guess they are very very close..
[04:28] <wifiman> eph3meral: any reason you can't install it in /usr/local/lib directly?
[04:28] <jerry_l> i just bought an android tablet 7" and it has an okay file manager... but is there a way to get the rox from puppy onto my tablet?
[04:28] <eph3meral> wifiman, uhh, well no, but i don't see why that would matter either
[04:28] <eph3meral> I don't believe /usr/local/lib is default for ubuntu
[04:28] <eph3meral> only /lib and /usr/lib
[04:28] <Dr_Willis> jerry_l:  if its running android.. check out the various android file maangers.. i tend to use astro
[04:29] <eph3meral> there's a couple folders in /usr/local/lib already one for python and something else i don't remember
[04:29] <wifiman> eph3meral: i suspect it's in the default ld.so path, but i'm not sure
[04:29] <eph3meral> aight i'll try at least, why not, one sec
[04:29] <jerry_l> i read that astro was replaced with what came on my tablet..  ES FILE EXPLORER.
[04:30] <eph3meral> wifiman, huh, ok yeah so that does work
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> jerry_l:  havent noticed the name change here.. you may want to check in #android
[04:30] <eph3meral> wifiman, when I just place it directly in /usr/local/lib it works fine
[04:30] <wifiman> eph3meral: LD_DEBUG=libs will make ld.so display its search path
[04:30] <eph3meral> wifiman, so what's up with the /etc/ld.so.config.d/mylib.conf not working?
[04:30] <eph3meral> ok one sec
[04:30] <wifiman> jerry_l: that wouldn't happen to be an A10?
[04:30] <eph3meral> er, wait, LD_DEBUG=libs where? :)
[04:30] <jerry_l> #android requires registration
[04:30] <eph3meral> where do I put that
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> jerry_l:  so regiester your nick..
[04:31] <wifiman> eph3meral: before the command will work
[04:31] <eph3meral> sorry to be so verbose/thick/etc but
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> !register
[04:31] <eph3meral> wifiman, which command? :P
[04:31] <wifiman> eph3meral: whatever needs to load that library
[04:31] <jerry_l> levano a1_07
[04:32] <jerry_l> thanks ubott.. trying to do laundry at same time...
[04:33] <eph3meral> wifiman, hmm, ok well that wasn't really very informative for me, unfortunately :/
[04:34] <eph3meral> it didn't say anything at all about my library during the linking process
[04:34] <eph3meral> wifiman, also, it appears to be retrieving from ld.so.cache, is there a way to force regeneration of the cache file?
[04:34] <eph3meral> does that happen on boot?
[04:35] <wifiman> eph3meral: i think that's what ldconfig does
[04:35] <eph3meral> wifiman, ok yeah I reran ldconfig, but the library doesn't seem to be getting found when it's in its own folder
[04:38] <wifiman> eph3meral: this wouldn't happen to be a program with an apparmor policy?
[04:38] <eph3meral> wifiman, nope, it's pretty super simple actually
[04:38] <eph3meral> it's just a handful of functions, that's about it
[04:38] <eph3meral> it uses sockets, but other than that it's pretty much just POSIX standard-ish
[04:38] <eph3meral> regular old C
[04:39] <wifiman> incidentally, the socket function is in POSIX
[04:39] <wifiman> :-D
[04:40] <wifiman> i'm guessing making a symlink in /usr/local/lib wouldn't be useful
[04:40] <eph3meral> wifiman, eh, I dunno, I just wanna understand how this whole shared linkning subsystem works
[04:40] <eph3meral> and be able to use the basics of it myself
[04:40] <eph3meral> wifiman, it works if I use -L. with gcc
[04:40] <eph3meral> it works if I just specify the .so on the command line
[04:40] <eph3meral> it works if I put it in /usr/local/lib
[04:41] <wifiman> ohh build-time
[04:41] <eph3meral> but not if I put it in my own folder in /usr/local/lib and then add that folder to the /etc/ld.so.conf/mylib.conf file
[04:41] <wifiman> i think that's handled by some binutils config file somewhere
[04:41] <wifiman> a common way to handle this is pkg-config, although then you need all the .pc files in a system directory anyway…
[04:42] <eph3meral> i mean, there's plenty of stuff in /lib it all works, there's a number of files already in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ so I assume that subsystem "works" but I don't know how to get it to work for me :(
[04:42] <eph3meral> wifiman, hmm, ok what it pkg-config?
[04:42] <eph3meral> derp, s/what it/what is/
[04:42] <eph3meral> is it necessary to use pkg-config if I want to add an .so to a custom place in the library path?
[04:42] <wifiman> tool for keeping track of CFLAGS and LDFLAGS/LIBS additions for using libraries
[04:42] <wifiman> it shouldn't be
[04:43] <wifiman> but generally that's how non-standard library paths are handled
[04:43] <wifiman> does your additional library path work at runtime?
[04:43] <eph3meral> wifiman, no
[04:43] <Ironbutt> hello
[04:43] <Ironbutt> I'm looking for a bit of help with the ubuntu software center
[04:44] <eph3meral> wifiman, i created a folder /usr/local/lib/mylib and in it i placed a file, /usr/local/lib/mylib/libmylib.so
[04:44] <eph3meral> wifiman, then I did, essentially, this: echo "/usr/local/lib/mylib" > /etc/ld.so.conf.d/mylib.conf
[04:44] <xiangjianfeng> what's wrong with the ubuntu software center?
[04:44] <eph3meral> but I did it manually, just using sudo vim
[04:44] <eph3meral> xiangjianfeng, it sucks :)
[04:44] <Ironbutt> So my problem is, I'm trying to download psychonauts from it, it's a 4GB download.
[04:44] <superxgl> hmm....coo
[04:44] <superxgl> cool
[04:44] <eph3meral> xiangjianfeng, use aptitude or synaptic instead :)
[04:45] <Ironbutt> my internet drops out for a few seconds every now and then, usually at about 1GB or 2GB
[04:45] <wifiman> eph3meral: so after the program is linked with an -L option pointing to the library directory, it won't run?
[04:45] <Ironbutt> which then causes the software center to seemingly delete the download cache, and start over.
[04:45] <eph3meral> wifiman, er, I was hoping not to have to explicitly use -L
[04:45] <Ironbutt> it's unnaceptable for me as I don't have unlimited download quota
[04:45] <eph3meral> wifiman, i can build the software, now I want to try building it as a library
[04:45] <eph3meral> and "installing" that library in the system so I can build other software against it
[04:45] <wifiman> eph3meral: so it uses the correct library path at runtime but not at build time?
[04:45] <eph3meral> by just specifying -lmylib
[04:46] <eph3meral> wifiman, er, well I can't even get it to build :)
[04:46] <eph3meral> so I have no idea what it does at runtime
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> wonder if you can wget that games .deb from somewhere.
[04:46] <Ironbutt> I got it via humble bundle
[04:46] <Ironbutt> I can probably torrent the .deb
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> they may have a direct download link. but torrents would be  more easially resumed
[04:46] <Ironbutt> it would be better ifthis issue was fixed
[04:47] <Ironbutt> and at the same time, the .deb from the humble bundle might not work for ubuntu, I'm not very good with linux.
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> ive never seen a single 4 gb .deb
[04:47] <Ironbutt> But as far as I know, debian .deb files don't work with ubuntu
[04:47] <wifiman> eph3meral: i'm confused
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> Ironbutt:  i doubt if they have differnt debs for ubuntu and debian.  only one way to find out i guess..'
[04:47] <eph3meral> wifiman, hahah, sorry, um... let me give you some background, one sec...
[04:48] <Ironbutt> well I guess I'll be doing that approach
[04:48] <eph3meral> wifiman, I'm just re-learning/re-teaching myself C and C++, I've written an app using basic sockets, it works fine
[04:48] <Ironbutt> where can I complain about this lack of a download cache for the osftware center?
[04:48] <eph3meral> wifiman, I know there are many libraries for sockets and many other things, but I'm doing this for learning, so I don't really care
[04:48] <Ironbutt> something that definitely needs fixing
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> I recall getting that game for windows ages ago.. had to find a no-cd crack for it to evcen run..
[04:48] <eph3meral> wifiman, I now have about a dozen or so functions, all that are my own handy wrappers around the regular linux system calls for sockets
[04:49] <eph3meral> wifiman, right now I build the app about like this:
[04:49] <eph3meral> wifiman, gcc -c mysock.c server.c client.c; gcc -o server server.o; gcc -o client client.o;
[04:50] <eph3meral> wifiman, pretty simple. each of those other files simply does an include "minsock.h" which I have in the main project-root of my source tree, same place as all the other *.c files
[04:50] <Ironbutt> this download from the torrent from umble bundle, it's a bin file
[04:50] <eph3meral> wifiman, anyway, now, I want to compile mysock.c into a shared library so that I can build "other software" on top of that library
[04:50] <Ironbutt> how do I run those? do I just open the terminal in the folder and type the name in?
[04:50] <eph3meral> and I want to have it "installed" in the main system, similar to if I do sudo apt-get install libsomething-dev
[04:50] <eph3meral> so I can build software with it/against it
[04:50] <niocora> Ironbutt: .bin files?
[04:51] <wifiman> eph3meral: /usr/local would be the standard prefix for doing exactly that
[04:51] <eph3meral> wifiman, yes like I said, I put my lib in /usr/local/lib and it works fine
[04:51] <Ironbutt> yeah I think it is a .bin file
[04:51] <eph3meral> but when I try to use /etc/ld.so.conf to add my own custom folder
[04:51] <eph3meral> it no workey
[04:51] <Ironbutt> doesn't explicitly say .bin, it actually says -bin
[04:51] <wifiman> eph3meral: why are you putting it in its own lib directory?
[04:51] <eph3meral> i just get "-lmysock not found" when compiling
[04:51] <eph3meral> wifiman, cuz I can? :P
[04:52] <eph3meral> I thought that was my ability to do, using /etc/ld.so.conf.d files?
[04:52] <niocora> Ironbutt: Double-click does?
[04:52] <Ironbutt> alright, I'll try that
[04:52] <eph3meral> wifiman, again, i'm really just learning, just trying to understand how these systems work
[04:52] <Ironbutt> gotta wait for it to download first
[04:52] <eph3meral> I thought it was a legit thing to create my own folder, like, just for the hell of it
[04:52] <eph3meral> if that's a "Bad Idea (TM)" then I believe you and that's cool
[04:52] <niocora> Ironbutt: Are you sure it is for linux?
[04:52] <wifiman> eph3meral: typically stuff gets installed in standard prefixes; if a lib uses custom directories then it needs a way to configure that, like pkg-config
[04:52] <eph3meral> again, i'm just learning, and none of these darned online tutorials learned me much of anything good yet :P
[04:53] <Ironbutt> yeah
[04:53] <Ironbutt> it's for linux
[04:53] <eph3meral> wifiman, ok cool that's what I needed to know, thx then :)
[04:53] <wifiman> eph3meral: fwiw, performance suffers when you add extra directories; filesystems cannot optimize for that situation
[04:53] <infinitux> after my ubuntu 12.04 install failing to upgrade i've finally got apt-get -f install to work, now x doesn't want to start up. reinstalled the driver and x runs, but for some reason lightdm won't load the login greeter.
[04:53] <eph3meral> ahh, gotcha
[04:53] <eph3meral> ok no worries, i'll just stick with /usr/local/lib
[04:53] <Ironbutt> i ot it from te umble indie bundle 5
[04:53] <eph3meral> wifiman, it's this kind of information that's lacking in so many tutorials
[04:53] <Ironbutt> also my  and  keys aren't workin
[04:53] <Ironbutt> asdfjkl
[04:53] <eph3meral> real world applications and stuff
[04:53] <Ironbutt> wats u wit tat
[04:54] <Ironbutt> gghhh oh there we go
[04:54] <wifiman> eph3meral: likewise you'll probably want to put the relevant header file in /usr/local/include
[04:54] <infinitux> somebody please help?
[04:54] <niocora> Ironbutt: It is kind of hard to understand your abbreviations, please try to write clearly.
[04:55] <niocora> infinitux: What driver?
[04:55] <eph3meral> wifiman, ok that was going to be my next question, thanks
[04:55] <Ironbutt> sorry, I wasn't abbreviating, my g and h keys had stopped working for a bit
[04:55] <infinitux> nvidia
[04:55] <eph3meral> wifiman, I've got more flexibility there, right?
[04:55] <eph3meral> like I can put it in a folder there, I just have to reference said folder in the include statement right?
[04:55] <eph3meral> #include "somefolderofmychoosing/mylib.h"
[04:55] <wifiman> eph3meral: yup; no performance issues or special flags, you can just change #include <somefile.h> to #include <somedir/somefile.h>
[04:55] <tron> nvidia doesnt work well with linux
[04:55] <eph3meral> yeah ok cool thanks
[04:55] <niocora> infinitux: From the repositorie or nvidia website?
[04:55] <infinitux> nvidia website.
[04:55] <niocora> repositories*
[04:55] <Ironbutt> oh here's a problem. I'm downloading with transmission bittorrent program. I checked the speed limit to 100kb/s
[04:56] <Ironbutt> but it's still downloading at 500+kbps
[04:56] <infinitux> it didn't work from the repo either
[04:56] <infinitux> i'm gonna leave irc
[04:56] <eph3meral> wifiman, awesome, ok so what would be the easiest way to make that in to a package then? a .deb?
[04:56] <infinitux> i'll come back for support later. thanks for trying to help but i've gotta go
[04:56] <wifiman> eph3meral: #include <blah> and #include "blah" have different search behaviors; <> is used for system dirs and "" is generaly for stuff in the source directory
[04:56] <eph3meral> wifiman, it's like 3 commands, the gcc command to build, copy .so to local/lib and copy .h to local/include
[04:57] <eph3meral> wifiman, yep ok I did know that about "" and <> thx :)
[04:57] <wifiman> eph3meral: i don't know much about debian/ubuntu packaging, but i know there are some tutorials
[04:57] <eph3meral> eh, so far they've all sucked :(
[04:57] <eph3meral> the tutorials on packaging that is
[04:58] <wifiman> eph3meral: with multiple source files you'll probably want to use a Makefile to simplify building (so you can just run make and have it recompile changed files)
[04:58] <eph3meral> I have a makefile alread
[04:58] <wifiman> oh awesome
[04:58] <eph3meral> yeah I'm not totally n00b :)
[04:58] <wifiman> and you should usually have -fPIC in CFLAGS if you're building a .so
[04:59] <Loshki> eph3meral: I couldn't agree more. If there's a good packaging tutorial, I haven't found it yet. I suspect it's deliberate, to keep the riff-raff away...
[04:59] <eph3meral> only like 3/4 n00b when it comes to C and C++... I started on them 10 years ago and then got stuck in the web world
[04:59] <eph3meral> wifiman, yeah I used -fPIC
[04:59] <eph3meral> wifiman, the lib works fine, I was just trying to wrangle the ld system, but now i've got more clarity on it
[04:59] <eph3meral> and everything is building fine
[04:59] <wifiman> cool
[05:00] <Ironbutt> it won't slow down arg
[05:00] <eph3meral> Loshki, happen to know the easiest way to package a lib like that?
[05:00] <wifiman> might be worth fetching some .dsc files as examples
[05:00] <niocora> Ironbutt: Total traffic 500 or download?
[05:01] <Loshki> eph3meral: also, gcc -L <path> will get passed to the loader for library searching. See man ld
[05:01] <Ironbutt> in transmission bittorrent, it is saying at 400 to 600 kB/s
[05:01] <eph3meral> Loshki, yeah it's all working now, thanks
[05:01] <Ironbutt> doesn't matter what I set the option to limit the speed to
[05:01] <eph3meral> Loshki, now I wanna figure out how to make a basic .deb out of this thing
[05:01] <eph3meral> also, aside, jeez, IDEs are not so smart these days :)
[05:01] <niocora> Ironbutt: Set the upload speed as well.
[05:01] <eph3meral> Code::Blocks is not so hot, all I have to say on that
[05:02] <Ironbutt> yeah, they were both checked
[05:02] <Loshki> eph3meral: you ask them faster than I can type. For simple, personal packages, I use checkinstall. It doesn't always work, and apparently the result isn't a 'true' debian package suitable for distribution, but it's quick and easy...
[05:02] <eph3meral> hmm, yeah I have read about that
[05:02] <eph3meral> there's another tool that's similar, but yeah I heard they don't make "good" packages all the time
[05:04] <Ironbutt> I guess transmission must be broken or something
[05:04] <serdotlin> how about dh-make, guys? Is it easy to compile?
[05:04] <Ironbutt> oh well, guess I'll just have to live with it
[05:05] <bsdfreak> < bsdfreak> anyone have experience working on hybrid video setups in ubuntu 12.04/x64?  having some issues with an intel/amd configuration on a lenovo ideapad y470p.
[05:05] <wifiman> eph3meral: try picking apart something relatively simple like xtris  http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xtris/
[05:06] <serdotlin> since i'm using Ubuntu, i want to know the right way to compile sources tarball and make a .deb packages for an easy compilation.
[05:06] <wifiman> eph3meral: iirc the .orig.tar.gz file is unpacked, the diff is applied, and the .dsc file specifies metadata like dependencies
[05:06] <Ironbutt> grr
[05:06] <Ironbutt> software centre did it again, dropped connection while installing wine
[05:07] <tr3nton> !xdg
[05:09] <Linux_Guy> urban terror still fighting with me
[05:09] <serdotlin> Ironbutt: try synaptic
[05:09] <mynameisthom> hello, I'd like to ask about how could I remove the pic album on my-every mp3???
[05:10] <niocora> mynameisthom: You mean remove the album cover?
[05:10] <serdotlin> you can try delete it from terminal.
[05:10] <mynameisthom> niocora: yep. That's what i mean
[05:11] <niocora> mynameisthom: Right-click properties.
[05:12] <niocora> mynameisthom: Click the album cover then press open on a directory.
[05:13] <niocora> mynameisthom: Or use a music player program like Amarok and remove the album cover for the whole album at once.
[05:14] <mynameisthom> niocora: Ach so..  I dont know if the picture on properties is clickable.. -___-"
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> Psyconauts for linux runs in wine?
[05:14] <mynameisthom> Thank you niocora :) I owe you :D
[05:14] <Linux_Guy> sadly
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> definatly passing on that game then...
[05:14] <niocora> mynameisthom: I only just discovered that out then trying to find the answer for you.
[05:14] <Ironbutt> I'm getting a native linux psychonauts as far as I know
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> then why are you needing wine?
[05:15] <Linux_Guy> I'm hoping this "optimized" urban terror install actually works
[05:15] <niocora> Dr_Willis: Other programs?
[05:16] <Ironbutt> for steam of course
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> so you are now trying to get psyconauts to work  in steam? or did i miss somthing...
[05:17] <Ironbutt> you missed something
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> spend all day downloading games.. instead of playing them... ;P
[05:18] <Ironbutt> hmm
[05:18] <Ironbutt> here's another querie I have
[05:18] <Ironbutt> this amd flgrx driver
[05:18] <Ironbutt> in the proprietary drivers manager, there is a post release updates thing
[05:18] <Ironbutt> what does that mean? I try to install it but it never works
[05:18] <niocora> Ironbutt: Use that one without question.
[05:18] <Ironbutt> so I install the other one, but now I have a AMD Unsupported hardware
[05:18] <Ironbutt> watermark on my desktop
[05:19] <niocora> Ironbutt: post-release updates means it uses the most up-to-date driver from AMD.
[05:19] <Ironbutt> it just fails to install the post release updates one
[05:19] <niocora> Ironbutt: That is the driver I use.
[05:19] <Ironbutt> I should note that I'm using an NCG 7750
[05:19] <Ironbutt> GCN I mean
[05:19] <Ironbutt> sorry
[05:19] <Ironbutt> Graphics Core Next
[05:20] <niocora> Search fglrx-updates in the software center.
[05:20] <Ironbutt> alright
[05:20] <niocora> Ironbutt: ^
[05:20] <Ironbutt> when wine finally finixhes installing, I shall
[05:21] <Linux_Guy> so amd cards are not as bad on linux as they used to be?
[05:21] <Ironbutt> installing
[05:21] <Ironbutt> wish me luck
[05:21] <niocora> Ironbutt: Luck.,
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[05:22] <FloodBot1> rapevan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:23] <Ironbutt> well that was interesting
[05:23] <Linux_Guy> indeed
[05:23] <wifiman> totally wasted on my variable-width font
[05:23] <Ironbutt> I'm gonna restart my computer
[05:23] <Ironbutt> see what happens
[05:23] <niocora> figlet
[05:23] <wifiman> ah that explains it
[05:23] <niocora> He should have used -k
[05:23] <niocora> Which stops the letters from smooshing together.
[05:25] <Arash> hello :-)
[05:25] <niocora> Arash: Hi.
[05:27] <Ironbutt> alright I'm back
[05:28] <Ironbutt> the unsupported hardware message is still there
[05:28] <Ironbutt> but at least the computer hasn't ceased functioning
[05:28] <niocora> Ironbutt: Good news.
[05:28]  * niocora typed that last message before the message about the hardware.
[05:28]  * niocora did not mean it is good that Ironbutt's hardware is unsupported.
[05:28] <Ironbutt> the computer seems to still work in a useful state
[05:29] <Ironbutt> i.e. blender seems to work fine in 3d
[05:29] <niocora> Ironbutt: glxgears in a terminal.
[05:29] <niocora> Ironbutt: Alt+Z?
[05:29] <niocora> Textured mode?
[05:30] <Ironbutt> alt z isnt opening a terminal
[05:30] <niocora> Ironbutt: I meant in blender.
[05:31] <niocora> Ironbutt: But glxgears in a terminal.
[05:31] <Ironbutt> aparently i have to install it with mesa-utils
[05:32] <niocora> Ironbutt: And textured mode in blender?
[05:32] <Ironbutt> glxgears seems to be working fine
[05:33] <niocora> Ironbutt: What fps?
[05:33] <Ironbutt> yeah, textured mode works fine
[05:33] <Ironbutt> 59.913
[05:33] <Ironbutt> guess there is some vsync going on there
[05:33] <niocora> Ironbutt: Then your GPU is working fine.
[05:33] <Ironbutt> yeah
[05:33] <Ironbutt> the monitor just wont turn off
[05:34] <Ironbutt> so i have to push the button
[05:34] <Linux_Guy> figured most people would push the button
[05:34]  * niocora gets 2109.773 FPS.
[05:35] <Ironbutt> how do i disable frame locking
[05:45] <Spectacle_K> I have a laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 on it. I hook it up to a bigger monitor and want to have a dual-screen. Everything works but all my apps and windows open on the laptop screen off to my left instead of the big monitor in front of me. How do I get windows and apps to open on a certain monitor only?
[05:46] <niocora> Spectacle_K: Use your driver settings to pick your default monitor.
[05:46] <Spectacle_K> "driver settings"?
[05:46] <Spectacle_K> Where would I access this?
[05:46] <niocora> Spectacle_K: What graphics card do you have?
[05:47] <Spectacle_K> Intel Core i3.
[05:47] <Spectacle_K> Intel HD Graphics
[05:47] <niocora> Spectacle_K: Sorry, I only know how to do it for AMD or nvidia users.
[05:48] <Spectacle_K> Does the graphics card have everything to do with getting windows to open on a certain monitor?
[05:48] <wifiman> some particular drivers include utilities that change that
[05:49] <Linux_Guy> intel graphics drivers in linux dont seem to work as nicely as a real gpu
[05:49] <Spectacle_K> Ahh, so that's why I've been getting all the crashes and whatnot.
[05:49] <wifiman> they're pretty much known for low-power stuff
[05:49] <wifiman> oh
[05:49] <niocora> Spectacle_K: Yes, the driver chooses which monitor is the default and then ubuntu starts programs on the main monitor.
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> if you are using 2 monitors as one 'wide' desktop. the compiz/ccsm plugins may  be able to force them to optn at specific positions
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> to open. ;)
[05:50] <Spectacle_K> Well the toolbar at the top of the screen copied itself on both monitors, does anyone know how to make the toolbar disappear on one monitor and stay on another?
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> Spectacle_K:  setting in the displays tool.  top right gear icon, displays.
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> i think you can have it only appear on the primary monitor
[05:52] <Spectacle_K> Ok well thanks.
[05:53] <mehmetali> regular user can mount anything but when try to umount same location why need to be root?
[05:55] <jrdnn> mehtali So user can't umount somewhere with files used by system and replace with their own drive?
[05:55] <madpup> you can do it with a live cd
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> i think more details may be needed.  like what filesystems are you refering to.
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> if the fs. is in use. a user would be  restricted from unmounting it.. root could forcethe unmount.
[05:56] <mehmetali> i used curlftpfs
[05:56] <sudododo> im downloading an ubuntu iso and im getting reddy to install ubuntu, any pointers?
[05:56] <wifiman> a regular user can do FUSE mounts but they're only accessible to that user
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> sudododo:  make backups of inpporntant stuff first.
[05:57] <sertaconay> sudododo good luck
[05:57] <wifiman> and they can be unmounted with  fusermount -u
[05:57] <sudododo> nah its a computer i dont care about theres nuthing on it i care about lol
[05:57] <madpup> sudododo: tick the install codec tick box, oh and good luck
[05:58] <sudododo> i hope its not slow and clunky for my hardware
[05:58] <mehmetali> Hmm, thank you wifiman.
[05:58] <fidel> ahoi
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> sudododo:  theres always Lubuntu ;)
[05:59] <sudododo> whats that?
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> !lubuntu
[05:59] <madpup> its really good
[06:00] <sudododo> hmm i didnt see that dl in the repo
[06:00] <dj_ryan> MACBOOK PRO Y U NO BOOT MY USB UBUNTU KEY
[06:00] <dj_ryan> anyone know whys?
[06:00] <tron> cause its a mac
[06:00] <tron> lose the caps, no need to yell
[06:00] <sudododo> ^  XD
[06:00] <dj_ryan> tron: shut upt
[06:00] <dj_ryan> also i love caps
[06:00] <madpup> i think you have to do a weird key combo on boot to get in to the ufi boot selecter
[06:01] <dj_ryan> madpup: intriguing
[06:01] <fidel> pressing ALT on macs usualy shows all booting devices (this is at least valid for a default osx install without refit etc)
[06:01] <sudododo> hey how can i get lubuntu iso file?
[06:02] <dj_ryan> yesss i did the alt, but the USB thing doesnt show up
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> !download
[06:02] <fidel> sudododo: in case you have ubuntu installed-  there is no need to reinstall. just install the related lubuntu-packages
[06:03] <sudododo> im useing win2k
[06:03] <madpup> looks like your going to have to burn a cd.................sorry bro
[06:03] <tron> .tj?
[06:03] <dj_ryan> nevarrrrrr
[06:03] <dj_ryan> cds are dead
[06:03] <dj_ryan> ditto dvds
[06:03] <sudododo> its kule, i got plenty of cdrs
[06:03] <madpup> do it!!!
[06:03] <dj_ryan> i wont ahve my machines or servers adulterated with wasted space of cds
[06:04] <sudododo> theres always one annoying person in ever chatroom... *cough* djryan
[06:04] <dj_ryan> pxebootftwmofo
[06:04] <dj_ryan> sudododo: yay!
[06:04] <dj_ryan> ITS CALLED SARCASTIC CAPS CANT YOU TELL
[06:05] <sudododo> NO
[06:05] <madpup> my ears are bleeding........
[06:05] <dj_ryan> its pride weekend, dont be homophobic
[06:05] <sudododo> gayppl =   :(
[06:05] <glitsj16> can we keep things ubuntu support related please
[06:05] <dj_ryan> ubuntu advanced the gay agenda
[06:06] <Linux_Guy> sudo shut up
[06:06] <oCean> ok, stop bickering
[06:06] <oCean> dj_ryan: start behaving
[06:06] <glitsj16> dj_ryan: and how is that support related exactly?
[06:06] <sudododo> hehehe
[06:06] <madpup> how did we get from macs to gays??? im getting the troll-repelant spray
[06:06] <oCean> let's move on please
[06:06] <sudododo> macs = gay / gays
[06:07] <madpup> damn i fed a troll
[06:07] <oCean> now STOP and move back to support topic
[06:07] <dj_ryan> ok well why doesnt my mac see my usb key
[06:07] <tron> move it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:07] <LenovoG470> hello, my 11.10 built-in mic is cannot record
[06:08] <dj_ryan> also ubuntu y so crashy
[06:08] <oCean> tron: guidelines apply there as well, so that is not good advice
[06:08] <dj_ryan> i think i'll just make those canonical dudes who are moving into my office to fix it
[06:08] <madpup> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20using%20USB%20Stick
[06:09] <madpup> hope this helps
[06:09] <madpup> bye all
[06:13] <robotdevil> ubuntu on dual core smart phone yet?
[06:15] <jerry_l> kindle fire is supposed to be a dual 1ghz cpu @ $199.99
[06:16]  * Linux_Guy still likes "real" tablets, rather than e-readers posing as them
[06:21] <jerry_l> dual 1ghz cpu and 16gb internal storage and touch screen does not work as a real tablet? i would like one. mine is a levano 1ghz/ 16gb/ 7"/ 512mb
[06:22] <vodoo_> hi all
[06:22] <vodoo_> when i using a 32 bit ubuntu. one file size is showed as 1g but when I using 64 bit ubuntu it is showed less then 1gb WHY?
[06:25] <vodoo_> when i using a 32 bit ubuntu. one file size is showed as 1g but when I using 64 bit ubuntu it is showed less then 1gb WHY?
[06:25] <jerry_l> vodoo it is a matter of preferances- 1gb = 1024mb and if you want to round up or down then:
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> vodoo_: how are you displaing the sizes and whats the exact sizes they are showing
[06:25] <vodoo_> it is displayed in my file manager app
[06:25] <jerry_l> 999mb rounds to 1gb even though the 1gb is actually 1024mb.
[06:25] <NictraSavios> Hello, would it be safe to use the same partition for /tmp on two separate ubuntu installs?
[06:26] <vodoo_> yes i know but it is different under 32 and 64 bit OS
[06:26] <vodoo_> it is interesting so anyone know WHY?
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> NictraSavios:  may be safer to have them both use differnt directories In some place you mount that partition to.
[06:27] <jerry_l> yes /tmp can be shared but i would use a script to empty it at sutdown.
[06:27] <NictraSavios> jerry_l, Wrong. One MB is 1GB _is_ 1000MB. 1GiB is 1024MiB.
[06:27] <NictraSavios> jerry_l, Never mix your notations :P
[06:27] <LenovoG470> Appreciate it if any one can help out why my built-in mic is dumb, but the VU meter of the mic in  alsamixer Volume control is moving.
[06:27] <NictraSavios> Dr_Willis, Alrght
[06:28] <NictraSavios> jerry_l, 1GB _is_ 1000MB. 1GiB is 1024MiB.* Sorry, Screwed up the sentence when I got distracted.
[06:29] <jerry_l> vodoo for a much better answer look at byte on wiki
[06:29] <jerry_l> me to. trying to android program and type and tv at same time and web hunt android help/
[06:30] <NictraSavios> vodoo_, Here how it works. Anything like KB, MB and GB uses powers of 1000. KB is 1000, MB is 1000^2, GB is 1000^3. got that?
[06:31] <vodoo_> no
[06:31] <vodoo_> when i using a 32 bit ubuntu. one file size is showed as 1g but when I using 64 bit ubuntu it is showed less then 1gb WHY? this is my question
[06:31] <jerry_l> video games megaICE,gigaHEALl,teraFIRE
[06:31] <NictraSavios> vodoo_, But KiB, MiB and GiB use powers of 2 (or 1024 if you want), KiB is 2^10, (1024), MiB is 2^20 (or 1024^2), GiB is 2^30 (1024^3)
[06:31] <vodoo_> i know what is GB what is MB i want to know why it is different under different OS 32 bit and 64 bit
[06:32] <jerry_l> question is about WUI
[06:32] <tron> vodoo your question has been answered
[06:32] <vodoo_> in Linux it just 1000 MB = 1 GB in windows it is 1024MB = 1GB
[06:32] <NictraSavios> vodoo_, Its like meters and feet. Different ways of measuring. And, maybe its how they address them or maybe 64 uses the powers of 2 scheme while 32 uses powers of 1000.
[06:32] <jerry_l> it is rounding up or down and not telling you which one it is.
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> actually ive seen differnt linux apps use 1000 or 1024
[06:32] <tron> more like meters/yards
[06:33] <jerry_l> true tron :)
[06:33] <Flannel> vodoo_: Exactly how big is the file?
[06:33] <NictraSavios> vodoo_, Other way around. Windows AND Linux uses 1000 system. But In Linux its also very fragmented (we all know that) so some use the 1024 sceheme
[06:34] <vodoo_> 1.0 GB (1,033,324,394 bytes)
[06:34]  * dzup /join #windoze
[06:34] <NictraSavios> vodoo_, OSX and I *think* BSD use the 1000 system by default.
[06:34] <Flannel> vodoo_: And what does the 32bit one say it is?
[06:34] <Flannel> vodoo_: Also, what versions of Ubuntu are each, the 32 and 64bit?
[06:34] <vodoo_> so you means ubuntu 32 bit uses 1000 schema and ubuntu 64bit use 1024 schema
[06:34] <NictraSavios> Whoops, Messed up, Windows and linux use 1024* , but some linux apps use 1000.
[06:34] <dzup> naaaa 1024 , where you get 100's bsd uses 1024
[06:34] <vodoo_> 1.0 GB (1,033,324,394 bytes) this is the 32 bit OS says
[06:34] <Flannel> For those of you who (apparently) haven't been paying attention: Ubuntu 32bit says "1GB" and Ubuntu 32 says something else.  He's not mixing OSes, please stop answering the wrong question.  Thanks.
[06:35] <Ironbutt> hey, how do i check how much ram my ubuntu studio is using?
[06:35] <NictraSavios> dzup, Thank you aha.
[06:35] <dzup> and 1000 is not by anymeans a right way to messure bytes, its 1024
[06:35] <vodoo_> 64 bits says some number around 9xx
[06:35] <Flannel> vodoo_: And then the 64bit version says what?
[06:35] <Flannel> vodoo_: Alright, and what versions of Ubuntu are each of these?
[06:35] <dubey> Hello
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> Ironbutt:  the  'free' command i recall
[06:35] <NictraSavios> And are you sure one isnt using the 1024 system and one is using the 1000...
[06:36] <Ironbutt> just into terminal?
[06:36] <dubey>  I am getting this error on Ubuntu 12.04 : FATAL: Module jfs not found.
[06:36] <vodoo_> 12.04 both 32bit and 64 bit
[06:36] <Ironbutt> yep, thanks
[06:36] <Flannel> vodoo_: They're both 12.04?  Are you sure?
[06:36] <NictraSavios> dubey, Are you using the jfs file system?
[06:36] <vodoo_> yes sure
[06:36] <Ironbutt> hmm, I can't tell in detail what's going on though
[06:36] <Flannel> vodoo_: That's interesting.
[06:36] <dubey> Nictrasavios: yes
[06:36] <dzup> and if windows or any other OS messures hardspace or memory or  whatever in 1000s , they must be in other dimension
[06:36] <uglyoldbob> I have bunch of files with a name of the format "DSC_xxxx.tif". How can I rename them to "DSC_xxxx+1.tif" (Where xxxx is some number that should be incremented)
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> Ironbutt:  we dont know your full problem. ;)
[06:36] <Flannel> dzup: Hate to break it to you, but recent versions of Ubuntu does.
[06:36] <Ironbutt> operating systems measure memory in 1024
[06:37] <vodoo_> yes so it is interesting question it may be something about the VFS module inside kernel
[06:37] <dzup> in this dimension where am at is 1024's
[06:37] <NictraSavios> dubey, Then there's your problem :P, chroot in and install jfs-utils then rebuilt the initrd image
[06:37] <Ironbutt> hard drive manufacturers measure them in 1000s
[06:37] <vodoo_> or the block device module
[06:37] <Ironbutt> my problem is I want to know how much memory is currently being used in gigabytes/megabytes
[06:37] <Ironbutt> the task manager gives me a percentage
[06:37] <vodoo_> ok thx anyway it should be the same
[06:37] <Ironbutt> but it's not much to work with
[06:37] <dubey> NictraSavios: can you pls. guide me or any good doc, i never tried to rebuiild initrd image
[06:37] <dzup> Flannel:  really? thats weird, i never ear that, probes? links?
[06:38] <Flannel> vodoo_: Yeah, there's something odd going on.  Your best course of action is probably to file a bug, that'll get it answered, and maybe fix the problem for the next guy who comes along.
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> uglyoldbob:  theres several bulk rename tools in the repos. or you could use some script.  I cheat and use wine and the 'bulk rename utilty' tool.. just because im so used to that speccific tool. or on linux i use the 'qmv' tool combined with a text editor
[06:38] <vodoo_> it should be the same, right? this is the question
[06:38] <NictraSavios> dubey, initrd -u is the command I belive
[06:39] <Flannel> dzup: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy
[06:39] <NictraSavios> dubey, But in a chrooted system, I suggest you specify :P initrd /boot/{kernel image}.img
[06:39] <Flannel> vodoo_: They should be the same, yes.  Unless you've configured one to use SI and th other to use IEC or something, but if you haven't done that, yeah, they should be the same.
[06:40] <Flannel> vodoo_: That's why the different-ubuntu-version question came up, because there has been some changes related to default display somewhat recently
[06:40] <vodoo_> thx
[06:40] <vodoo_> i will pay a attention
[06:41] <NictraSavios> dubey, As for chroot.... Commands are: "mount /dev/{root} /mnt" and any other partitions you have (/boot? /var?) (/mnt/boot? /mnt/var?). then "cd /mnt" "mount -t proc proc proc/" "mount -t sysfs sys sys/" "mount -o bind /dev dev/" "mount -t devpts devpts dev/pts"
[06:42] <NictraSavios> dubey, Finish it off with "chroot ./ /bin/bash"
[06:42] <dzup> Flannel: wow thats really wierd, but i belive is for "calling stuff" so people knows more easy, in reallty this is just nots
[06:42] <tron> eww sonic
[06:42] <dubey> NictraSavios: can you guide me step- by - step
[06:42] <NictraSavios> dubey, Not for Ubuntu, but these commands are universal. Heres a guide > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_from_Existing_Linux#Chroot
[06:43] <dzup> believe*
[06:43] <vodoo_> what is SI what is IEC Flannel ?
[06:43] <NictraSavios> dubey, Plus, if you don't know stuff like this.. what are you doing with a jfs file system?  Thanks
[06:48] <bugaloo> LenovoG470, did you try "alsamixer" on terminal? check the volume there
[06:48] <LenovoG470> bugaloo, yes, i did
[06:50] <LenovoG470> Bugaloo, and even the VU bars in PulseAudio Volume Control is moving, but no sound recorded
[06:56] <beelzebobby> What's the easiest way to get a minimal Ubuntu system (without stripping it manually from Server)?
[06:57] <glitsj16> LenovoG470: what setting is active in pavucontrol's 'Configuration' tab for Built-in Audio? i guess it needs analog stereo duplex
[06:59] <LenovoG470> @glitsj16, yes, i got analog stereo duplex highlighted [and this is a new machine, Arhhh]
[07:03] <Ironbutt> hey
[07:03] <Ironbutt> I need some help
[07:03] <Ironbutt> I'm trying to copy a file from one directory to another
[07:03] <Ironbutt> it gives me an error: no such file or directory
[07:04] <blackbear008> show me your command
[07:04] <glitsj16> LenovoG470: what do the sound preferences say for input and connector?
[07:04] <Ironbutt> right click copy
[07:04] <Ironbutt> right click paste
[07:04] <Julieta> o.o
[07:04] <blackbear008> lol
[07:04] <blackbear008> sorry,  I usually use command
[07:05] <Ironbutt> drag and drop seems to have worked
[07:05] <Ironbutt> weird
[07:05] <Ironbutt> linux is still pretty unstable
[07:05] <Ironbutt> you would think with thousands of developers it would be a teeny tiny bit better... oh well, it's still cool.
[07:05] <blackbear008> not linux. may be your Xwindow problems.
[07:05] <saefulbahri> quit
[07:05] <glitsj16> LenovoG470: this time not from pavucontrol, but the sound preferences opened through the sound indicator applet
[07:06] <saefulbahri> you
[07:06] <vsMS> Is it possible to use something similar to DPkg::Options {"--force-confnew";} in debian-insitaller?
[07:06] <saint|2> It seems like my net is really slow on ubuntu, is there any fix to this?
[07:07] <Ironbutt> saint 2
[07:07] <Ironbutt> are you on wireless?
[07:07] <saint|2> Yes.
[07:07] <Ironbutt> well it's a problem with driver clashes
[07:07] <blackbear008> check your driver.
[07:07] <Ironbutt> I don't know how to fix, the simplest way is to just buy another usb wireless card, or use a wired connection
[07:07] <vsMS> and if it's possible: How do I do it?
[07:07] <Ironbutt> but you can fix it
[07:08] <saint|2> How do I check my driver?
[07:08] <Ironbutt> I don't know how though
[07:08] <Ironbutt> sorry
[07:10] <jen> what can I use for animation or to make an animated pixel image?
[07:10] <Guest68815> its linux I cant use photoshop
[07:11] <Ironbutt> is there any way to hide this amd unsupported hardware message
[07:12] <fuzzylinux> what can I use for animation or to make an animated pixel image?
[07:12] <Ironbutt> you can use blender maybe?
[07:12] <Ironbutt> that has a video editor
[07:13] <Thor^^> or gimp?
[07:13] <LenovoG470> glitsj16, sorry I just miss your last line, I was out thanks
[07:14] <Dr_Willis>  Ironbutt  i seem to recall there being an option in the  ati control panel. or you can set in the xorg.conf file to hide that.
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> gimp has animation addons
[07:15] <glitsj16> LenovoG470: np
[07:15] <fuzzylinux> x-x im lost on gimp
[07:15] <fuzzylinux> i need windows, i need someone to teach me how to dual boot windows on here
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> fuzzylinux:  install windows...leave part of the hd unallocated to install linux on.. install linux
[07:16] <Ironbutt> I would recommend virtualisation over a dual boot
[07:16] <fuzzylinux> but I dont wanna loose all my crap
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> or better yet - seperate hd for each os
[07:16] <fuzzylinux> my virtualbox sucks big time
[07:16] <Ironbutt> I've got a separate hard drive
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> fuzzylinux:  more details would be.. handy
[07:16] <Ironbutt> I dont have a dual boot set up
[07:17] <Ironbutt> I just unplug the linux hard drive
[07:17] <Ironbutt> and boot into windows
[07:17] <fuzzylinux> about what?
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> we dontknow what your current setup is...
[07:18] <fuzzylinux> ubuntu ocelot, im so lost in updates i dont even know
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> !11.10
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> ok.. so you have ONLY linux on the machine?
[07:19] <fishbait> how do i install macbuntu 12.04
[07:19] <fishbait> how do i install macbuntu on ubuntu 12.04
[07:20] <Dr_Willis>  fishbait  best advice... DONT... dont even try.. forget macbuntu even  exists
[07:20] <fishbait> why broken packages?
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> its outdated, and a dead project. and caused issues when it was being updated
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> and its broke many an install back then..
[07:21] <fishbait> ah ty i was lucky then i already attempted buth the dock didn't work how do install just the theme then?
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> plus you  i imagine its not 'oficially supported' bu this channel either.
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> fishbait:  the theme may  be for gnome2. so wont work in 12.04
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> there are differnt docks in 12.04 you can use.
[07:22] <fishbait> it did only the dock didn't work
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> !dock
[07:22] <dwakar> i am using Natty now, and i'm considering to upgrade to 12.04, but i tested it in my virtual box , the mouse wheel doesn't work on any program, should I upgrade?
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> avant and cairo are both  themable to look like osx
[07:23] <fishbait> hmm i shall have to do it manually then
[07:23] <Ironbutt> hey, so I just launched natural selection 2 via wine
[07:23] <Ironbutt> it crashed
[07:23] <Ironbutt> and then I was stuck with the crashed screen
[07:23] <Ironbutt> had to force a restart of my computer
[07:23] <fishbait> how do i activate cairo-dock?
[07:23] <Ironbutt> is there any way I can alt tab like stuff in windows?
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> fishbait:  install it and run it..
[07:23] <fishbait> okay
[07:25] <dwakar> i am using Natty now, and i'm considering to upgrade to 12.04,  but i tested it in my virtual box , the mouse wheel doesn't  work on any program, should I upgrade?
[07:25] <dwakar> is there a workaround
[07:25] <fishbait> i'm getting dependencies error it won't install
[07:26] <LenovoG470> anyone would like to bother about setting a dumb built-in mic right in Ubuntu 11.10?
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> dwakar:  perhaps  you need the vbox guest addations.
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> !vbox
[07:26] <dwakar> Dr_Willis so it is not 12.04 bug?
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> dwakar:  my mouse wheel works fine... you could test it with a live cd...
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> I dont use  ubuntu in vbox..
[07:27] <Ironbutt> hey, is there a wine channel anywhere?
[07:27] <linuxman> hi everyone
[07:27] <Dr_Willis>  #wineh
[07:27] <Dr_Willis>  #winehq
[07:27] <linuxman> im new to linux
[07:27] <SEEVCar> hi linuxman
[07:27] <linuxman> can you help me?
[07:27] <wookienz> thats nice!
[07:27] <dwakar> ok will do Dr_willis
[07:27] <sx2020> anyone know why if i run: # node script.js   it works, but not if i run: # node ./somedir/script.js   ?
[07:28] <sx2020> i thought the script's reference path would be relative to where it is located, not from where it is called.
[07:28] <Ironbutt> thanks
[07:28] <wookienz> linuxman, just ask what you want
[07:28] <linuxman> im using ubuntu 9.04
[07:28] <linuxman> why wont .exe files work in ubuntu 9.04
[07:28] <linuxman> ?
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> !9.04
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> !wine | linuxman
[07:29] <linuxman> what do you mean by wine?
[07:29] <linuxman> i dont drink
 ubuntu 12.04 better
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> read what the bot said....
[07:29] <fishbait> sudo ap-get install docky gets me E: unable to correct problems you have held broken packages how do i fix this?
[07:30] <Ironbutt> WINE Is Not an Emulator
[07:30] <linuxman> doesnt ubuntu 12.04 have like a 500 pound waist size unity?
[07:30] <Ironbutt> just get lubuntu
[07:30] <Ironbutt> or ubuntu studio
[07:30] <Ironbutt> or xubuntu
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> fishbait:  pastebin the whole of the error message perhaps. If your 'macbuntu' script sort of worked.. it may have things in a confused state
[07:30] <Ironbutt> or any other ubuntu that isn't ubuntu
[07:30] <FloodBot1> Ironbutt: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> fishbait:  a 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' might make it install whats needed..
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> fishbait:  or sudo apt-get -f install
[07:31] <sacarlson> sx2020: that would depend on how the script is writen
[07:32] <fishbait> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058706
[07:32] <linuxman> how can ir be ubuntuif it isnt ubuntu?
[07:32] <linuxman> like zorin?
[07:32] <Ironbutt> like lubuntu
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> lubuntu is an official ubuntu variant
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> zorin is not.
[07:32] <Ironbutt> which is ubuntu, it has access to all the ubuntu programs, interfaces etc but it comes pre loaded with a different set of programs, and also has the lfcxe or however you say it interface which is very light weight and fast
[07:33] <linuxman> isnt lununtu still ubuntu but with the letter L?
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> !lubuntu
[07:33] <linuxman> what is lxde and what is garden gnome?
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> go read the wiki page.
[07:34] <Kartagis> !dock
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> i think that dock list is a little out of date.
[07:34] <linuxman> whats a wiki page?? is it someting you read when your on the can?
[07:34] <Kartagis> okay, I installed cairo-dock. how do I configure it?
[07:35] <LenovoG470> anyone in the mood of helping me getting my dumb built-in mic to record? Thanks alot
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> run it.. click on its configure icon in the dock it made, or right click on the panel it made
[07:35] <Sam_L> Anyone alive that can help me with postfix?
[07:36] <BlueEagle> linuxman: It is ok to ask questions, but please avoid ones that can easily be answered by typing them into google.
[07:36] <linuxman> ok so i google it
[07:36] <linuxman> ?
[07:37] <BlueEagle> linuxman: Well, sir, the questions you are asking are reminiscent of those a troll would ask.
[07:37] <sacarlson> LenovoG470: be sure to read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[07:37] <linuxman> no its just that im new to linux
[07:37] <linuxman> and i need help
[07:37] <linuxman> i want to get the full experience of linux
[07:38] <fishbait> hmm i'm on the gnome-session fallback would installing gnome development files work?
[07:38] <BlueEagle> linuxman: "What is lubuntu", "what is a wiki" "how do I run .exe-files in linux" are all very well answered by Google.
[07:38] <BlueEagle> !enter > linuxman
[07:38] <Armageddon> sudo apt-get install gentoo
[07:39] <glitsj16> Kartagis: cairo-dock is complex, visit http://www.glx-dock.org/index.php and check the wiki from there ... has a wealth of info
[07:39] <linuxman> ok army ill try that
[07:40] <Armageddon> I still get these weird errors when I try to sudo apt-get install gentoo
[07:40] <moggy> hello
[07:40] <Myrtti> Armageddon: did you have a Ubuntu question or a problem? a real one?
[07:40] <linuxman> so sudo apt-get install gentoo will install gentoo 12.04 LTS?
[07:40] <moggy> gentoo?
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> gentoo is a dual pane file manager.. and a disrto.
[07:40] <hellyeah> hey
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> !info gentoo
[07:41] <Armageddon> Myrtti, see
[07:41] <moggy> is that a fork of unbuntu
[07:41] <hellyeah> i have a problem about grub i cannot use my keyboard  nothing worked when grub was open
[07:41] <intore> good morning, i have problem with the microphone of my dell laptop. The reproduced sound after registration has loud noises and i don't know how fix it. could you hlep me please?
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> the gentoo file manager. has some neat features. ive used it a lot in the past
[07:41] <fishbait> ... ins't gentoo the distro that custom compiles to fit the machine but has a super complex install process?
[07:42] <Armageddon> yes it is
[07:42] <hellyeah> pls help
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> gentoo is a dual pane file manager.. and a disrto.........
[07:42] <Kartagis> can you help me figure out why chrome won't show up in alt-tab list? it only happens with chrome
[07:42] <vibhav> fishbait: There are 2 gentoos : A file Manager, and a linux distribution
[07:42] <Armageddon> and super complex is relative
[07:42] <fishbait> vibhav: i know i was talking about the distro
[07:42] <moggy> where do you get gentoo
[07:43] <BlueEagle> hellyeah: You may need to enable legacy usb support for keyboard in your BIOS. Please check your motherboard manufacturer documentation for how to do so.
[07:43] <fishbait> moggy: the file manager?
[07:43] <Armageddon> moggy, www.gentoo.org
[07:43] <sacarlson> hellyeah: a none working keyboard in grub might be you have a usb keyboard, if so make sure to activate legacy keyboard in your bios at boot
[07:43] <Kartagis> moggy: the distro? gentoo.org
[07:43] <moggy> is that debian
[07:43] <Kartagis> bah, I was slow
[07:43] <Armageddon> nah
[07:43] <linuxman> or is it puppy linux
[07:43] <linuxman> ?
[07:43] <SEEVCar> has anyone tried Opera 12 in ubuntu 12
[07:43] <linuxman> is gentoo puppy linux?
[07:43] <Armageddon> well it kills puppies
[07:43] <fishbait> uh no its a whole other base distro
[07:43] <BlueEagle> SEEVCar: I have.
[07:43] <hellyeah> sacarlson:  actually it has worked  two days ago i start not working
[07:43] <SEEVCar> sweet
[07:43] <Kartagis> is it a bird? is it a plane? no, it's gentoo
[07:44] <BlueEagle> !ot | EVERYONE
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> Is it OT? ... yes...
[07:44] <fishbait> quick turn on the gentoo signal!
[07:44] <SEEVCar> BlueEagle: how did it go?
[07:44] <linuxman> i use fedora 17
[07:44] <fishbait> but back to the issue at hand
[07:44] <BlueEagle> SEEVCar: It went well.
[07:44] <Armageddon> I use a real OS
[07:45] <Kartagis> linuxman: if you have an ubuntu related support question, ask. otherwise, refrain from trolling,
[07:45] <SEEVCar> BlueEagle: fast ae?
[07:46] <BlueEagle> SEEVCar: It is suitable for my needs. I am not going to start a flame war over browsers in here.
[07:46] <BlueEagle> SEEVCar: If you are contemplating using Opera in Linux please install it and try for yourself. Don't rely on others to make up your mind.
[07:47] <SEEVCar> BlueEagle: better than the bogged down firefox and chrome
[07:47] <vibhav> !ot > SEEVCar
[07:47] <vibhav> SEEVCar: We provide support here, instead of debating browsers
[07:48] <SEEVCar> oops sorry
[07:49] <SEEVCar> just bad experence with other browsers
[07:50] <BlueEagle> !ot | SEEVCar
[07:50] <aetoxx>  /j #coq
[07:51] <hellyeah> wtf i removed grub-pc when i try to reinstall it gives dependaency error
[07:51] <hellyeah> wtf wtf wtf
[07:51] <fishbait> hmm i think dock-managaer is broken
[07:51] <BlueEagle> hellyeah: Not sure why you would want to remove grub-pc to begin with. Would tiy mind pastebin-ing your error message(s)?
[07:52] <BlueEagle> fishbait: I think it has been spelled wrong. :P
[07:52] <hellyeah> Blue1:  my keyboard didnt work on grub i cannot pick os
[07:52] <BlueEagle> hellyeah: Did you enable legacy keyboard support in BIOS?
[07:52] <fishbait> well it showed as broken when i did it through synaptic pacakage manager
[07:53] <moggy> hi all
[07:53] <BlueEagle> hellyeah: ...as two people has already suggested in here.
[07:53] <hellyeah> Blue1:  it was working dude
[07:53] <preecher> moggy---mog dog?
[07:53] <moggy> good a
[07:53] <hellyeah> 2 days ago this happened
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> try a ps2 keybord. if you got a ps2 port?
[07:54] <hellyeah> my keyboard working now
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> could be bios got reset and legacy usb got turned off also..
[07:54] <BlueEagle> hellyeah: Why did you not say so in your original help request? What happened to your system two days ago? Is your keyboard connected to a powered USB-hub? Have you tried removing all power cables?
[07:54] <hellyeah> it is not working on grub only
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> ive had to enable legacy usb on several pcs to get grub menus workingith them.
[07:55] <hellyeah> i have a laptop and i am using keyboard of laptop
[07:55] <sacarlson> hellyeah: did you look in bios at boot for legacy?
[07:55] <BlueEagle> hellyeah: That would also have been useful information.
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> dead bios battery in one pc - i had to enable the legacy usb every boot up.
[07:55] <hellyeah> i dont have  "boot for legacy" in bios
[07:56] <hellyeah> i didnt see any menu like that
[07:57] <BlueEagle> hellyeah: It would read more like "legacy usb support". Do you have anything at all connected to your laptop? Monitor? Extra mouse? Extra keyboard? Docking station? USB harddisk?
[07:57] <Dr_Willis>  'Legacy USB  device support'
[07:57] <BlueEagle> power supply?
[07:58] <sacarlson> hellyeah: and if your using the built in laptop keyboard maybe try a usb keyboard if you have one around to try
[07:59] <fishbait> okay cairo dock install and macbuntu is functioning perfectly
[07:59] <hellyeah> unfortunately i dont have
[07:59] <fishbait> now how do i make gnome not show the bottom bar?
[07:59] <hellyeah> the only thing i dont understand not i am in ubuntu my keyboard works
[07:59] <hellyeah> but on the grub it didnt work
[08:00] <Guest1> are there any PCs that meet the minimal requirements for ubuntu, but yet are for some reason incompatable?
[08:00] <sacarlson> hellyeah: then last option you can install grubcustomizer gui so you can pick the next system that will boot by default
[08:00] <BlueEagle> hellyeah: That is because Ubuntu does have other USB keyboard drivers installed.
[08:01] <BlueEagle> Guest1: I don't understand the purpouse of the question. Are you asking if there exists any low-cost hardware at all that does not have a linux driver and if such hardware is known to exist in any commercially available packages?
[08:02] <hellyeah> grubcustomizer is a package
[08:02] <hellyeah> there is no package like that
[08:02] <Guest1> BlueEagle, I'm asking if there are just certain PCs, that even though they are well and above the system requirements, just impossable to install ubuntu on (more specifically 12.04)
[08:02] <berniukas_trauki> hello
[08:02] <sacarlson> hellyeah: http://askubuntu.com/questions/100232/how-do-i-change-the-grub-boot-order
[08:03] <BlueEagle> Guest1: I do not know of such a PC, however I do not have a list of every conceivable piece of hardware that has ever been produced so your question is impossible to answer.
[08:03] <hellyeah> ha yeah i got it
[08:03] <hellyeah> sacarlson:
[08:03] <hellyeah> there is a file grub.conf or something
[08:03] <Myrtti> Guest1: meeting minimal requirements doesn't outrule the possibility of other parts of hardware not working after the install
[08:04] <berniukas_trauki> i have an encrypted partition. And after power down an error comes up with subsequent "press ctrl+d for mainteinance". How do i make the partition not to mount and cause no "ctrl+d" in case of server restart?
[08:05] <BlueEagle> !hardware | Guest1: This may help
[08:05] <donkeyboy> I am connecting to a windows server 2008 instance via remote desktop viewer using RDP protocol. How can I make it fullscreen? it only uses a tiny portion of the screen.  Every time, no matter how I do it, I get a message saying "The installer encountered an unrecoverable error. A desktop session will now be run so that you may investigate the problem or try installing again"
[08:05] <linuxinor> i have an encrypted partition. And after power down an error comes up with subsequent "press ctrl+d for mainteinance". How do i make the partition not to mount and cause no "ctrl+d" in case of server restart?
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> berniukas_trauki:  theres the  'noauto' option in fstab. but then you  would have to mount the partition some other way when needed
[08:06] <BlueEagle> Guest1: Are you using RAID in any way shape or form?
[08:06] <linuxinor> Dr_Willis, like for example "mount" command?
[08:06] <Guest1> BlueEagle let me google what that is, I'm guessing no, since I don't know what it is
[08:07] <BlueEagle> Guest1: After you have found the anwer it would also be helpful to know which install media you are using and where in the install process the error is occuring.
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> linuxinor:  but when to mount it...  from rc.local?  let the users auto mount..  what if it needs fscked.. then what. ;)
[08:08] <Guest1> BlueEagle I burned a cd for 12.04, Im not using raid, my hard drives are IDE, and look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall
[08:08] <linuxinor> Dr_Willis, one partition is encrypted in some way and after reboot its unrecognizable. So if a pc reboots, i will have to run some kilometers to manualy reboot it as it is stuck on ctrl+d:) And i will also have to rob some employee of his monitor, what i really dont want:)
[08:09] <Guest1> BlueEagle, my install craps out after figure 7 but before figure 8
[08:09] <ikonia> Guest1: as I told you yesterday stop using phrases like "craps out" - explain the problem, "craps out" gives no information to the person helping you
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> linuxinor: souinds like its failing a fsck. may be  aa sign of a deeper issue.
[08:10] <BlueEagle> Guest1: When you enter info into the "Who are you"-window, do you enter a computer name that may already exist on your network?
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> linuxinor: dirty work around woulld be to use noauto in fstab and mount the partitions from rc.local
[08:10] <linuxinor> Dr_Willis, no its not. as i mentioned, a partition is encrypted in some special way. and if it boots normally, some other wise guy that did the encryption would ssh and complete the fixing
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> special way? ...  no idea tthen
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> other then let him also ssh in and mount it.
[08:11] <Guest1> BlueEagle, no, I tried entering "Ubuntu" for the name, but it told me there was already that name on my network (thats news to me...). So I entered "UbuntuPC" as the name
[08:12] <linuxinor> LUKS or some other stuff. i dont know. and if the pc is stuck on ctrl+d then he wont be able to ssh.
[08:12] <linuxinor> i guess i will just have to mess with rc.local
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu name was the live cd system. :)
[08:12] <linuxinor> :)
[08:13] <sacarlson> linuxinor: what is in the encrypted partition?  anything from /home/?
[08:14] <BlueEagle> Guest1: You could try it again and call the computer Betelguse and see if that helps. If someone on your network is using the same netbios name this may cause such an issue.
[08:14] <linuxinor> sacarlson, no. some data the company owner wants to protect:)
[08:14] <Kartagis> can you help me figure out why chrome won't show up in alt-tab list? it only happens with chrome and unity. on cairo-dock it's there
[08:14] <linuxinor> that partition is on another physical disk
[08:15] <sacarlson> linuxinor: ok then I guess it shouldn't be needed at boot so can be mounted manualy or at some later time
[08:15] <aetoxx> When visiting https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging, I get warned for malware.
[08:15] <BlueEagle> linuxinor: It seems to me that the initrd may not know how to decrypt your encrypted partition and as such is having a fit. That is just guesswork by me, but it does seem to fit the bill. Updating your initrd so it knows how to decrypt the partition may help. Note: I don't know how you would go about making the changes nor which changes would need to be made.
[08:17] <Guest1> BlueEagle what is a computer Betelguse? Google is not helping me with that term.
[08:17] <BlueEagle> Guest1: It's a name that noone else on your network i using. You could call it Antarctica, but there are no ants on the north pole so that doesn't make any sense.
[08:18] <linuxinor> i guess i will just edit the rc.local so the pc starts up
[08:18] <linuxinor> and let the wise guy do the rest of work
[08:18] <linuxinor> thank you, guys and gals:)
[08:19] <Guest1> BlueEagle OOOOH, I completely misunderstood the context of what you were saying. I thought you were telling me to call someone, on the telephone, but didn't know who you were talking about.