[00:37] <Genyar> testing
[00:37] <Genyar> Who is here?
[00:38] <Genyar> Am I alone?
[00:38] <Genyar> How many users are here?
[00:39] <Genyar> This is an IRC test by a neophyte
[00:40] <Artakha> you are alone in the dark dark void of #zandronum
[00:40] <Artakha> oh wait wrong channel
[00:41] <Genyar> damn
[00:41] <Artakha> you are alone in the dark dark void of #kubuntu then :P
[00:41]  * Artakha brainfart
[00:41] <Genyar> It says there are 241 users here
[00:41] <Artakha> it is a lie
[00:41] <Genyar> But I only see one user chatting besides me
[00:41] <Artakha> (there's actually 224)
[00:41] <Artakha> 244, agh
[00:41] <Artakha> anyway uh not all of them are active
[00:42] <Genyar> I have never been here before
[00:42] <Genyar> Are there computer techs here?
[00:42] <Artakha> welcome to irc then :P
[00:42] <Genyar> thank you
[00:42] <Artakha> as for computer techs.. that's quite a vague term
[00:43] <dagoberto> hola
[00:43] <Genyar> I am looking for computer gurus who are knowledgeable with Kubuntu
[00:43] <dagoberto> algien hay
[00:43] <Genyar> and Linux
[00:43] <Artakha> if you have a problem then you're best off going straight to the point
[00:44] <Genyar> I want to update my internet security
[00:45] <Genyar> And I would like to find out why I'm getting unencrypted warnings of third party threats when using Firefox
[00:45] <dagoberto> algien de chile???
[00:47] <Genyar> I am using Kubuntu 11.04, and I am getting warnings from Firefox, that I have requested an encrypted page that contains unencrypted info that can be read by a 3rd party
[00:48] <Genyar> it happens whenever I go on Yahoo chess or YouTube
[00:51] <Genyar> Is this an IRC chatroom?
[00:52] <Artakha> well
[00:52] <Artakha> yes this is an irc chatroom
[00:52] <Genyar> ok
[00:52] <Genyar> so, can you help me?
[00:52] <Artakha> well i'm not exactly sure what that message is but i don't bother with it
[00:52] <Artakha> you could ask #mozilla or whatever their channel is
[00:52] <Artakha> oh, no it's #firefox
[00:52] <Genyar> How do I get there?
[00:53] <Artakha> type /join #firefox as if it were just text
[00:53] <Artakha> anything that begins with a / is an irc client command
[00:53] <Genyar> ok, I should try it now?
[00:53] <Artakha> i guess?
[02:57] <Genyar> everyone is leaving?
[03:16] <rottingdead> Hmm, what's going on with Kubuntu that doesn't like my system? It keeps freezing up or something, I can't even install it, =(.
[03:18] <rottingdead> I know it's something to do with my computer here, had somebody else check it, worked fine on their system.
[04:43] <mrngan> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[04:43] <mrngan> help>>
[04:43] <mrngan> error E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[04:43] <mrngan> ????
[05:05] <zeekzack> hello there...i m in bit of trouble..
[05:06] <zeekzack> my kubuntu desktop in not showing after login except blank background and cursor
[05:07] <zeekzack> can somebody tell how to get out of it??
[05:23] <valorie> zeekzack: can you login to a console?
[05:24] <valorie> actually, it sounds as if you are in one
[05:24] <zeekzack> in recovery mode , i got access to root shell
[05:24] <zeekzack> i tried apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, but it dint work
[05:25] <valorie> from ubuntu?
[05:25] <zeekzack> right now logged in to desktop pc..
[05:26] <valorie> zeekzack: you might try 'apt-get -f install' from a console
[05:26] <valorie> see if whatever got kludged, gets unstuck
[05:27] <valorie> from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto
[05:28] <zeekzack> btw this problem happened after i got my machine accidently powered off
[05:29] <valorie> yes, that might help
[05:29] <valorie> linux is often easy to heal
[05:30] <valorie> but pulling the plug is usually not a good thing
[05:30] <zeekzack> i know...it was by mistake
[05:31] <zeekzack> how to get out of this??
[05:31] <valorie> you might try 'apt-get -f install' from a console
[05:31] <valorie> I gave you the link about apt
[05:31] <valorie> !apt
[05:32] <zeekzack> i know basic of it..but in recovery mode root shell i hv tried various commands including "apt-get update" and "apt-get -f install"
[05:33] <zeekzack> but failed
[05:33] <valorie> by failed, what do you mean?
[05:33] <zeekzack> i dont remember the exact error message..
[05:34] <valorie> :(
[05:34] <valorie> exact error messages are important
[05:34] <valorie> what happens when you try again?
[05:35] <zeekzack> even when i tried to open an application from there, it said 'cannot conncet to x server'
[05:37] <valorie> you can try 'sudo restart lightdm' if you have  recent version
[05:37] <valorie> sudo restart gdm if it's an older ubuntu
[05:51] <zeekzack1> when i type apt-get -f install, i get following
[05:52] <zeekzack1> 0 upgraded, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[05:52] <valorie> :(
[05:52] <zeekzack1> when i type 'kate' in root shell of recovery mode i got 'connect to X server'
[05:53] <valorie> did you see my suggestion about  'sudo restart lightdm'
[05:53] <valorie> or sudo restart gdm if it's an older ubuntu
[05:53] <zeekzack1> i was logged off...
[05:53] <zeekzack1> trying this now
[05:54] <hateball> Seems more likely to be kdm than gdm, if it's Kubuntu
[05:54] <zeekzack1> i got "restart: unknown job"
[05:54] <valorie> hateball: he was just trying to install kubuntu
[05:54] <hateball> valorie: Alright
[05:55] <valorie> so try with gdm and kdm
[05:55] <valorie> it generally is going to be one of the three
[05:55] <zeekzack1> got "unknown instance"
[05:55] <zeekzack1> let me rephrase my problem:
[05:56] <hateball> Also wouldnt you want to do "sudo service lightdm restart", or "sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm restart"  ?
[05:56] <hateball> or any of the other login managers
[05:56] <zeekzack1> while using kubuntu, my desktop accidently cut off from power, when started it again, after loggin again i got only a blank background and cursor..
[05:57] <valorie> hateball: I guess that is worth trying, but I believe that's the old way
[05:58] <hateball> zeekzack1: so you were actually presented with a login screen?
[05:58] <valorie> !xserver
[05:58] <valorie> !x
[05:59] <valorie> ha, ubottu agrees with you, hateball
[05:59] <valorie> but since lightdm is left out, I still think that's ol
[05:59] <valorie> old
[05:59] <hateball> If you were presented with a graphical login screen, and it stopped working after that, I'd assume the KDE configs got messed up. So one could try moving the KDE config to a backup and login again
[06:06] <zeekzack1_> hateball: got unrecognized service when i typed sudo service lightdm restart
[06:06] <zeekzack1_> hateball, valorie: sorry guyz, due to this old xp pc, was disconnected
[06:07] <hateball> zeekzack1_: Then you can try "sudo service kdm restart"
[06:08] <hateball> I don't know which release you're using, and even so you could still choose to be on kdm rather than lightdm, so
[06:09] <zeekzack1_> after applying command and logging in got this: Warning : Cannot open consoleKit session Unable to open session Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_spocket:
[06:10] <zeekzack1_> i m using kubuntu 12.04 with linux kernel 3.2.37
[06:10] <zeekzack1_> now same black background with only cursor appears...
[06:10] <zeekzack1_> nothing else..
[06:11] <hateball> zeekzack1_: ok, you can try this back in the console then "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[06:13] <zeekzack1_> dpkg: error: unable to access dpkg status area: Read only file system..
[06:15] <valorie> !
[06:15] <zeekzack1_> hateball: der??
[06:15] <valorie> this sounds really badly hosed
[06:20] <zeekzack1_> valorie: unfortunately i m stuck here...i have to get out of this soon..
[06:25] <valorie> you didn't say what was installed before you tried to add kubuntu-desktop
[06:27] <zeekzack1_> i have been using kubuntu 12.04...in order to get back to normal situation, i thoght i should try to install again from shell kubuntu desktop
[06:27] <zeekzack1_> i think u got me wrong sumwhere
[06:27] <valorie> ah
[06:28] <valorie> what was wrong before you tried to reinstall kubuntu-desktop?
[06:28] <valorie> and did you purge first, or what?
[06:28] <valorie> you never told the whole story
[06:30] <zeekzack1_> telling again whole scenario:my desktop was cut off from power accidently..next tym i logged in startup screen of kubuntu, i got only blackscreen...there were no windows or icon or anything else...
[06:30] <zeekzack1_> so i rebooted again, and went to recovery mode from grub
[06:30] <zeekzack1_> where i choose root shell prompt..
[06:31] <zeekzack1_> nd tried some commands there..
[06:31] <valorie> I see
[06:31] <zeekzack1_> r u getting my situation??
[06:31] <valorie> yes
[06:32] <valorie> it may be time to re-install, after backing up your ~/home to other media
[06:32] <valorie> when the xserver and dpkg don't work, your system is rather severely damaged
[06:34] <zeekzack1_> when i change directory to home and apply 'ls' nothing shows up...so how to backup things??
[06:35] <valorie> !
[06:36] <valorie> that explains a lot, zeekzack1_
[06:36] <valorie> if you have lost your home dir, you've lost your config files
[06:37] <zeekzack1_> so any way to recover them??
[06:37] <valorie> well, there are ways to get raw files from hard drives
[06:37] <valorie> but you have to think about whether or not that's worthwhile
[06:38] <valorie> if it wasn't worth backing up before, is it worth the work to recover it?
[06:39] <zeekzack1_> :-D
[06:40] <valorie> !dd
[06:41] <valorie> if you are interested, look at DD and DDrescue
[06:44] <zeekzack1_> okay, googling it...thanks!
[06:53] <zeekzack1_> valorie: when i boot from usb, i can see my whole hdd intact..
[06:53] <valorie> cool!
[06:54] <valorie> in that case, backing up would be worthwhile
[06:54] <valorie> and then reinstall
[06:55] <zeekzack1_> is there a way to repair current installation?
[06:55] <valorie> you can chance it without backing up
[06:55] <valorie> but that sounds risky
[06:56] <valorie> backup drives are getting cheaper all the time
[06:56] <valorie> my 1.5 T drive is much cheaper than when I bought it a year ago
[06:56] <zeekzack1_> :-D so i m backing up in my external...i own one
[06:56] <valorie> great!
[07:59] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:22] <yossarianuk> hey
[11:32] <yossarianuk> (offtopic but this is mental - Westboro baptist church going to picket the funerials of the dead in boston .... )
[11:32] <monkeyjuice> why would you care what they do .
[11:33] <bazhang> yossarianuk, #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:34] <yossarianuk> ok - sorry just amazed and outraged.... will remain on-topic.....
[15:03] <Mmike> Hello. When I click on 'additional drivers' and select a driver marked with a green dot, the text at the bottom of the window says 'this driver is activated but currently not in use'
[15:03] <Mmike> how do I make it 'being in use'?
[15:03] <Mmike> i'm using kubuntu 12.10 (upgraded from 12.04), with nvidia-current (304.something)
[15:12] <ovidiu-florin> is Muon part of KDE or kubuntu?
[15:15] <genii-around> ovidiu-florin: I'm pretty sure it's Kubuntu stufff
[15:16] <ovidiu-florin> for the update part does it have a cronjob or something like that?
[15:16] <ovidiu-florin> could it be ported to Arch?
[15:21] <genii-around> ovidiu-florin: You'd probably have to find one of the developers like Jonathan Thomas and ask them.
[15:29] <ovidiu-florin> is that one or two persons?
[15:37] <genii-around> ovidiu-florin: 1
[15:38] <ovidiu-florin> how do I find him?
[15:39] <genii-around> ovidiu-florin: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Hmm why do you need JontheEchidna?
[15:41] <ovidiu-florin> I was thinking to port Muon to Arch linux if that's possible
[15:42] <ovidiu-florin> I have to go now, I'll be back in a couple of hours ;)
[15:42] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin: Better discussion on #kubuntu-devel
[16:15] <Ohad> Is there anyone here that can support?
[16:16] <Ohad> ^^
[16:16] <lordievader> Ohad: Sure there is ;)
[16:17] <lordievader> !ask
[16:17] <Ohad> It consists of some
[16:17] <Ohad> in crontab
[16:17] <Ohad> ^^
[16:18] <genii-around> We require more detailed information on your goal or specific problem
[16:19] <Ohad> I'm trying to create a file in crontab it does not save us
[16:28] <totalanonymous> i need your help :) ... well i just want to set up a VPN connection via network manager and i need to set a chiffre  but i cannot select one . It says something like  "cant find Open-VPN-chiffre"
[16:28] <totalanonymous> ideas ?
[16:29] <sonofzeus> hi
[16:29] <totalanonymous> hi
[16:29] <sonofzeus> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LXDE_desktop_full.png how shall I getvthis theme?
[16:30] <sonofzeus> ive lxde installed
[16:30] <totalanonymous> u need to install lxde as your  desktop manager
[16:30] <sonofzeus> i have lxde installed already
[16:31] <totalanonymous> ok then u can select it at your login screen  there must be a small symbol  and by clicking on it u can selecte which manager u want to use
[16:32] <sonofzeus> well i have lubuntu installed with lxde but still I cant se that theme.
[16:32] <totalanonymous> its not a theme its a complete different windows manager
[16:33] <sonofzeus> yeah its lxde right?
[16:33] <sonofzeus> i have lxde installed
[16:33] <totalanonymous> and by doing what i told u before u can change from ubuntu "unity" to  lxde
[16:34] <sonofzeus> okay hold on i will try that.
[16:34] <totalanonymous> k
[16:34] <sonofzeus> please wait bud.
[16:34] <sonofzeus> thc
[16:34] <sonofzeus> thx
[16:35] <sonofzeus> im at the login screen
[16:36] <totalanonymous> while u are writing with me ? :)
[16:36] <sonofzeus> yes im on a mobile
[16:36] <sonofzeus> android
[16:36] <totalanonymous> ok :D ... ok next to the prompt where u can type in your password there must be a symbol
[16:37] <totalanonymous> click on it
[16:37] <sonofzeus> a blue one with a stickman pic
[16:37] <sonofzeus> its on the top right
[16:37] <totalanonymous> ok a list appears and it probably says something like  Unity , LXDE, TWM  and so on
[16:38] <sonofzeus> nah
[16:38] <sonofzeus> it just says lubuntu lubuntu net book and openbox
[16:39] <totalanonymous> it is lubuntu
[16:39] <totalanonymous> lubuntu is ubuntu using lxde
[16:39] <sonofzeus> yes i know
[16:39] <sonofzeus> but i still cant see the theme in the pic
[16:39] <sonofzeus> lol
[16:40] <sonofzeus> I want to install the theme in the pic
[16:40] <totalanonymous> which theme ? the background ?
[16:41] <sonofzeus> yes
[16:42] <totalanonymous> maybe you  right click at your desktop @ desktop preferences
[16:42] <totalanonymous> under wallpaper  its not included ?
[16:42] <sonofzeus> ok?
[16:42] <sonofzeus> nah
[16:42] <ti_tux> @sonofzeus your theme is named nuoveXT2
[16:42] <sonofzeus> where can i find it?
[16:43] <sonofzeus> ti tux
[16:43] <ti_tux> you can find it as lxde-icon-theme in the repos
[16:43] <sonofzeus> is installing themes safe?
[16:43] <sonofzeus> just a noob
[16:44] <ti_tux> of course ! it is in the ubuntu repos
[16:44] <sonofzeus> how to open the repos sorry
[16:45] <ti_tux> type in a terminal sudo apt-get install lxde-icon-theme
[16:45] <ti_tux> to install the theme
[16:45] <sonofzeus> im on lubuntu is that ok?
[16:45] <ti_tux> it's ok
[16:45] <sonofzeus> the command
[16:45] <sonofzeus> k
[16:46] <sonofzeus> thx a lot man
[16:46] <ti_tux> don't worry about that, it's the same for all debian based distros
[16:48] <ti_tux> for the wallpaper you should find it /usr/share/lxde/wallpapers/
[16:48] <ti_tux> *at
[16:58] <sonofzeus> stupid q but how do i open terminal on a lubuntu pc
[16:59] <sonofzeus> pls help
[17:01] <sonofzeus> nvm i think its lxterminal
[17:04] <sonofzeus> hey ti tux i installed it
[17:04] <sonofzeus> but cant find the theme
[17:09] <captain__> i just installed kubunt and now trying to install firefox, but i get this failure message
[17:11] <ti_tux> @sonofzeus, you have to reboot, then on the welcome screen where you type your login/password you can choose the desktop, so you choose LXDE and not Lubuntu
[17:25] <captain__> how to install firefox?
[17:27] <ti_tux> clic on the firefox installer
[17:27] <captain__> then i get this failure message
[17:27] <captain__> http://paste.kde.org/725756/
[17:27] <ti_tux> what msg?
[17:27] <ti_tux> ok
[17:29] <ti_tux> You have clicked on the installer ? or you've tried to install it via konsole ?
[17:29] <captain__> both same failure
[17:29] <lordievader> I have seen this bug before captain__, let me lookup what the fix was.
[17:29] <captain__> i have removed the installer now and installed firefox, seems to work
[17:30] <ti_tux> ok
[17:30] <ti_tux> but you are in 12.04 or 12.10 ?
[17:30] <lordievader> Its bug 1168152
[17:30] <captain__> 12.10
[17:31] <captain__> no it doesn't work
[17:31] <lordievader> captain__: Use the --force-overwrite option for apt.
[17:44] <captain__> sudo apt-get install --forcer-overwrite firefox?
[17:44] <captain__> is that right
[17:44] <captain__> ?
[17:46] <lordievader> captain__: sudo apt-get install --force-overwrite firefox, yes that should work.
[17:51] <captain__> --force-overwrite doesn't work
[17:56] <lordievader> captain__: You get the same error?
[17:56] <captain__> no
[17:56] <lordievader> captain__: What error do you get?
[17:57] <captain__> it says --force-overwrite could not ...
[17:57] <captain__> i dont know the english word for it
[17:57] <captain__> evaluate?
[18:00] <lordievader> captain__: Could be, you might try translate.google.com for a translation.
[18:01] <captain__> E: Command line option - force-overwrite could not be evaluated
[18:04] <lordievader> captain__: Ah it's a dpkg option, sorry. You'll have to find the firefox package in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and then install the firefox package with "sudo dpkg --force-overwrite <package-name>"
[18:06] <ti_tux> @captain__: sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install firefox
[18:06] <ti_tux> this should work
[18:07] <lordievader> ti_tux: That is the same thing ;)
[18:07] <lordievader> Granted it is a bit easier :)
[18:07] <ti_tux> yes of course ^^
[18:09] <captain___> yes that worked, thanks a lor
[18:09] <captain___> lot
[18:28] <wxl> hey since there's some life here, anyone know how to get unicode going in konsole? ctrl-shift-u + hex don't seem to work.
[18:34] <lordievader> wxl: Could you pastebin the output of locale?
[18:37] <wxl> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5713936/
[18:37] <wxl> sorry had to install pastebinit :)
[18:39] <lordievader> That looks ok, what makes you think unicode doesn't work?
[18:40] <wxl> lordievader: because i can't enter it the same way as i had on lubuntu, for example.
[18:41] <wxl> lordievader: ctrl-shift-u seems to delete lines rather than enter hex input mode
[18:41] <wxl> lordievader: it's not in shortcuts
[18:43] <wxl> lordievader: i'm not seeing anything in keybindings
[18:44] <wxl> lordievader: that's the reaction konsole has, at least. kate just does nothing.
[18:45] <lordievader> wxl: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this has anything to do with unicode.
[18:45] <wxl> lordievader: unicode input
[18:46] <wxl> lordievader: i.e. i know an ellipsis is hexcode 2203. normally i can just enter ti with ctrl-shift-u 2203. don't work in kubuntu.
[18:47] <lordievader> wxl: You might find this interesting: http://superuser.com/questions/74763/how-to-type-unicode-characters-in-kde
[18:47] <raven_wolf> hi all, im running kubuntu 12.04 x64 and after uprgade KDE to 4.10.2 there is no login screen? i have to login from a shell then type  startx ?
[18:50] <raven_wolf> what is rong here?  can you help fix this?
[18:50] <wxl> lordievader: well, t he bug is taking forever to load so i don't know what the deal is, but it's obvious that the problem is kde just can't do it. bummer.
[19:44] <Nexus_Russia> Hi all. I have a question-how to make the browser (eg, Google Chrome) open link type [b] ts3server :/ / [/ b] (TeamSpeak3) directly in Teamspeak? I understand that this is busy xdg-open, but he did not want to open the link. Where you can already register for the MIME types for opening this link open Teamspeak? Thank you.
[19:44] <Nexus_Russia> P.S. OS Kubuntu 12.10
[19:44] <Nexus_Russia> Sorry my bad english
[19:49] <lordievader> !ru | Nexus_Russia
[19:52] <Nexus_Russia> thx
[21:15] <AlexZion> hi everyone; i need some help with amarok 2.6.0 on kde 4.9.5 with Kubuntu 12.10 , just sometime it seems nearly freezed and it use a lot of cpu, but I didn't find any reason ....
[21:31] <cybermoron_> hey new here
[21:42] <Obsidian1723> hi cybermoron_
[21:45] <cybermoron__> hi
[21:45] <cybermoron__> hi Obsidian1723


[05:09] <jeroth1> Is ubuntu one password reset broken? Ive had it send me a confirmation code 3 times over 4 days. I use gmail and have checked my junk folder.
[05:09] <jeroth1> No email recieved.
[05:14] <jeroth1> sorry lost connection didnt see if someone answered my question.
[05:21] <jeroth1> honk
[05:21] <jeroth1> lol
[09:02] <duanedesign> jeroth1: hello
[09:02] <jeroth1> Duanedesign: Hello
[09:02] <duanedesign> jeroth1: so you had an issue with the password reset?
[09:03] <jeroth1> Yes sir, I have been trying to reset the password on my account for a few days now. I tried 3 times over 4 days, and no email. I checked my spam folder and I am using a gmail address.
[09:05] <jeroth1> I am at a loss at what to do next.
[09:06] <duanedesign> jeroth1: sure. I can try and help there
[09:07] <duanedesign> if you can idle here for a bit rye should be here any minute now. He can help you with your issue. Or you can email support if you have to got. Let me get you the address...
[09:08] <duanedesign> https://one.ubuntu.com/support/contact/
[09:08] <duanedesign> s/got/go
[09:12] <jeroth1> I apologize my network is having issues. Did you get my messages?
[09:13] <duanedesign> hello jeroth1
[09:13] <duanedesign> jeroth1: i did not
[09:13] <jeroth1> Ah, okay.
[09:13] <duanedesign> jeroth1: I saw you are having a problem with resetting your password
[09:14] <jeroth1> I said, I have tried 3 times over the past 4 days to change my ubuntu one password. I have not recieved an email at all. I have a gmail address, and i have checked my spam folder.
[09:14] <duanedesign> jeroth1: if your network holds up rye might be able to help you
[09:14] <duanedesign> otherwise you might need to email:   https://one.ubuntu.com/support/contact/
[09:18] <jeroth1> I apologize duanedesign, I think comcast is having a seizure.
[09:19] <jeroth1> I said, I have tried 3 times over the past 4 days to change my ubuntu one password. I have not recieved an email at all. I have a gmail address, and i have checked my spam folder.
[09:19] <jeroth1> I hope you got that.
[09:20] <jeroth1> *this is what i get for being online at 4:20am
[09:21] <duanedesign> i got it :)
[09:21] <jeroth1> Awesome.
[09:22] <duanedesign> rye: are you aware of any issue with resetting passwords?
[09:27] <jeroth1> I tried it alittle over an hour ago and still no email.
[09:37] <rye> jerboa, hm, are you using login.ubuntu.com, right?
[09:38] <rye> Ubuntu One does not store passwords, Ubuntu SSO service does, so if there a hick-up, i'll poke ISD team
[09:41] <jeroth> I apologize for wasting you time duanedesign, my modem is failing on me. I will come back once I get that resolved. Thanks for your time.
[10:13]  * ryetest is testing the translation
[10:13] <ryetest> still broken
[12:43] <karni> hi all :)
[12:47] <rye> karni, hi karni :)
[12:47] <karni> hi rye ^ ^
[12:48] <karni> I'm watching UDS N Ubuntu One Visibility and Integration with Unity on youtube
[12:48] <karni> Android has been mentioned as a reply to question by aquarius ^-^
[12:49] <karni> rye: you heard they want to change something about syncing folders? I don't quite get that
[12:49] <karni> rye: it sounded something like dropping sync of folders, and substitute that with I'm not sure what
[12:49] <karni> rye: or maybe they were talking about sharing
[12:50] <karni> It also sounds like U1 needs a little work on Unity
[12:50] <rye> karni, dropping? No, i don't think so, I heard something about automatic subscription to UDFs for all computers, but don't quite remember.
[12:50] <karni> rye: I see
[12:50] <rye> karni, I know that nautilus-plugin was going to be rewritten since it is not that awesome now
[12:50] <karni> rye: so if I have a UDF, it's not synced over with other computers by default (currently) ?
[12:51] <rye> karni, it is
[12:51] <karni> rye: what's that automatic subscription to UDFs then? :)
[12:51] <rye> karni, anyway, i am not really prepared to tell about the future
[12:51] <karni> rye: sure ^ ^ np rye
[12:51] <rye> karni, i mean that it was going to be set to no-automatic subscription
[12:51] <karni> rye: you're one of most knowledgable guys here!
[12:51] <karni> aha
[12:51] <rye> karni, even though I really want to find out what's going to happen.
[12:52] <karni> rye: I guess when they wrap up UDS, there'll be some blog articles all over the place :)
[12:53] <rye> karni, yes, UDS usually takes a lot of CPU power (usually, yeah, right, i have been there only once :) )
[12:53] <karni> rye: ^-^
[12:53] <karni> rye: you're based in Europe, aren't you?
[12:54] <karni> rye: I'm guessing you'll have a chance for going to next UDS :)
[12:54] <rye> karni, yup, well, eastern europe to be precise, Ukraine to be GPS-precise
[12:54] <karni> rye: I'm from Poland, so we're quite near ;D
[12:55] <rye> hm... Current event is no longer current
[13:10] <karni> rye: god that indicator/launcher discussion took quite a piece of the session. I don't get it why would they want to push stuff into the launcher instead of indicator (like yours, which is great).
[13:11] <karni> rye: I think the indicator should be there by default, and just give a user to hide/remove it, if they wish so.
[13:11] <rye> karni, i don't think I follow you...
[13:12] <karni> rye: the guy on the left, on that clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fst1GeD-SLU , suggested to put 'U1 status' related stuff in the launcher
[13:12] <karni> rye: which I understand is the content of MeMenu
[13:12] <karni> rye: where is the 'Ubuntu One' option already.
[13:12] <rye> karni, oooh, video, shiny!
[13:12] <karni> rye: and they where discussing *if* there should be an indicator
[13:13] <rye> 42 minutes, wow
[13:13] <karni> rye: aquarius said that, since this indicates stuff, it should be an *indicator* whereas there where suggestions that this should be in the launcher (bottom of me menu?) or nowhere at all.
[13:13] <karni> rye: happy watching ;)
[13:14] <karni> rye: the acustics could be a little better, but it's watchable ;)
[13:17] <karni> rye: I might have confused launcher with meMenu, but I'm definitely for the indicator icon/applet
[13:19]  * rye needs to find out how to make my 5530 dl that video and show me it some time later... well, dl is simple
[13:19] <karni> :)
[13:33] <ubuntu4shane> rye, I logged on to the laptop, and my files were still there!  Hoooraaayy!  I archived the log from this computer too, and as soon as I can remember how to sign into my launchpad account, I will post them with the bug
[13:34] <rye> ubuntu4shane, by "still there" you mean that they were not missing as on the another computer?
[13:34] <rye> ubuntu4shane, i.e. the files disappeared on another computer but are still here on your laptop, right?
[13:34] <ubuntu4shane> correct
[13:35] <ubuntu4shane> right
[13:35] <rye> ubuntu4shane, could you please make a backup, just in case?
[13:35] <ubuntu4shane> done
[13:35] <rye> ubuntu4shane, is ubuntuone-client connected?
[13:35] <rye> ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[13:35] <ubuntu4shane> as soon as I booted it up I disconnected u1, and copied over my backup script, and then backed up those files
[13:36] <ubuntu4shane> no not yet, I'm copying those files over to my desktop, then I will connect
[13:36] <rye> ubuntu4shane, uh huh. Ok, u1 is running but disconnected, right?
[13:37] <rye> ubuntu4shane, could you please run u1sdtool --info $filename on one of these files that went missing on another machine?
[13:37] <ubuntu4shane> hmm, I ran u1sdtool -q when I started, and then backed everything up to a different directory
[13:37] <ubuntu4shane> very interesting, one of the files has a .u1conflict tag on the end of it.
[13:41] <ubuntu4shane> rye, http://paste.ubuntu.com/521398/
[13:43] <rye> ubuntu4shane, ok, well, you may want to try setting up the debug log level - in ~/.config/ubuntuone/logging.conf set [logging]
[13:43] <rye> level.default = TRACE
[13:43] <rye> ah, i am running with TRACE level, nice
[13:44] <ubuntu4shane> hmm, all I have is a syncdaemon.conf no logging.conf ?
[13:44] <ubuntu4shane> should I create it?
[13:45] <ubuntu4shane> same on the desktop
[13:47] <rye> ubuntu4shane, yes, please create that file
[13:47] <ubuntu4shane> rye, with just what you specified there right?  "level.default = TRACE"
[13:48] <rye> ubuntu4shane, yup, section [logging], level = TRACE is sufficient
[13:48]  * rye needs to run away as he has to do some government<->bank-related things
[13:49] <ubuntu4shane> no prob, thanks rye
[14:06] <jeroth3> Alright, now that my ISP has sorted itself out. I need help with the ubuntu one password reset page.
[14:16] <ubuntu4shane> jeroth3, reseting it on the web page, or on your computer?
[14:16] <jeroth3> On the web page
[14:17] <jeroth3> I have tried to 3 times over the past 4 days (or so), and i never recieve a confirmation email. I use a gmail address and I have checked my spam folder.
[14:17] <ubuntu4shane> karni, or duanedesign may be better off to help you with that if they are around
[14:18] <karni> rye: ↑ actually rye would be best to answer that question, however he's not here at the moment
[14:18] <karni> duanedesign: ↑ any idea what might be causing login problems?
[14:18] <jeroth3> Yeah Duanedesign tried helping me before, however, my ISP was quitting out on me.
[14:19] <karni> jeroth3: ISP ? have you successfully signed in with your current browser before?
[14:19] <jeroth3> Yes
[14:19] <karni> jeroth3: once I had issue with my citi bank page. worked with FF, not with chrome.
[14:19] <jeroth3> It was a whole other issue.
[14:19]  * ubuntu4shane thinks ahhh, cache
[14:19] <jeroth3> Duanedesign was trying to help me, and my ISP was having connectivity issues.
[14:20] <karni> jeroth3: oh, I see. he should see your question soon. we've mentioned his nick quite a few times already :)
[14:20] <karni> jeroth3: just idle in the channel, guys should msg you soon if you're around
[14:20] <ubuntu4shane> jeroth3, have you cleared your cache? as well as stored passwords?
[14:20] <jeroth3> :-) no problem, I appreciate it. I hate to be a bother.
[14:20] <jeroth3> Yes ubuntu4shane.
[14:20] <jeroth3> I am using firefox as browser.
[14:21] <ubuntu4shane> hmm, ok, I haven't messed with web login at all, so I'm not really sure on that one.
[14:21] <jeroth3> All i really need is a password reset. Thats what ive been trying to do.
[14:22] <jeroth3> But for some reason, when I select that option and put in my email. The confirmation code doesn't arrive.
[14:24] <ubuntu4shane> is there a way to keep u1 from syncing a file in a folder that is synced?
[14:24] <karni> ubuntu4shane: no that I know of.
[14:24] <ubuntu4shane> karni, ok, thanks
[14:24] <karni> ubuntu4shane: if you sync a folder, you want U1 to sync that folder. I'm not sure if you can unsubscribe a single file in a subscribed folder
[14:25] <ubuntu4shane> I didn't see it, so I just unsubscribed the folder
[14:36] <ubuntu4shane> ok, when I click on a folder and select stop syncing it doesn't do it.
[14:51] <karni> ubuntu4shane: you could try $ u1sdtool --unsubscribe-folder=/path/to/folder
[14:59] <ubuntu4shane> karni, thanks!  I think I have another problem perhaps, it won't connect now let me tinker around and see
[14:59] <karni> ubuntu4shane: np
[15:01] <ubuntu4shane> karni, is there a config place I can see what folders are subscribed?
[15:02] <karni> ubuntu4shane: there's the syncdaemon log ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/ somewhere, you can also list shares and shared folders with u1sdtool. but I don't see listing of UDFs
[15:02] <karni> ubuntu4shane: u1sdtool --list-folders :D
[15:04] <ubuntu4shane> karni, hmm, it is listed, and when I unsubscribe, it says it doesn't exist
[15:07] <karni> ubuntu4shane: that's quite funny ;D
[15:08] <karni> ubuntu4shane: and strange. no idea what's going on. is it connected? u1sdtool --status
[15:08] <ubuntu4shane> karni, I just disconnected it, because it is worrying me
[15:08] <karni> ubuntu4shane: I see, I understand
[15:09] <karni> ubuntu4shane: that was good thinking.
[15:09] <karni> ubuntu4shane: tell me about that folder
[15:09] <karni> ubuntu4shane: it's a UDF and you want to stop sync'ing it, right?
[15:09] <ubuntu4shane> it is my /home/username/bin
[15:09] <ubuntu4shane> right
[15:09] <karni> ubuntu4shane: and rightclick -> Stop sync does not work
[15:09] <ubuntu4shane> correct
[15:10] <karni> it's still listed under u1sdtool --list-folders, correct?
[15:10] <ubuntu4shane> right
[15:10] <karni> rye: duanedesign: ↑ ubuntu4shane can't unsubscribe a UDF with right click -> Stop sync, and it's listed under u1sdtool --list-folders
[15:11] <karni> ubuntu4shane: wait for one of them to appear. they are the masterminds of debugging u1
[15:11] <karni> *troubleshooting
[15:12] <ubuntu4shane> ok, rye had me add a logging.config to .config/ubuntuone/ but I removed it, perhaps I didn't write the config right
[15:12] <karni> ubuntu4shane: that's already more then I know about desktop client, sorry
[15:12] <ubuntu4shane> karni, no prob
[15:13] <ubuntu4shane> ok, be back later, gotta run
[15:13] <karni> ubuntu4shane: if you have questions on the storage-protocol, let me know ;D
[15:13] <karni> bye
[15:13] <ubuntu4shane> karni, thanks
[15:26] <duanedesign> hello ubuntu4shane
[15:53] <rye> ubuntu4shane, u1sdtool --waiting-meta ?
[15:54] <rye> ubuntu4shane, just in case - here's how logging.conf should look http://paste.ubuntu.com/521471/
[16:06] <iklow> hi, is there a way to automatically connect to u1 on startup?
[16:07] <e-squizo> UbuntuOne keeps warning me that my Documents folder is not being synched
[16:07] <e-squizo> which is *exactly* the way I want it, but there's no obvious way to turn off the warning
[16:07] <e-squizo> am I missing anything?
[16:07] <e-squizo> honk
[16:07] <commodoor> iklow, it should connect automaticly
[16:08] <rye> e-squizo, sorry about that, please go to Documents folder, right click on any free spot, select Ubuntu One -> Hide ribbon in selected folders
[16:09] <e-squizo> rye: didn't work
[16:09] <e-squizo> ribbon still there
[16:09] <rye> e-squizo, please go up one level and then return to Documents folder
[16:10] <rye> e-squizo, nautilus does not let us change the view immediately
[16:10] <e-squizo> ok, now it worked
[16:10] <gord> ubuntu one has been attempting to sync a shared folder for days now, but failing, u1sdtool status that its WORKING_ON_CONTENT, anyone has any idea?
[16:11] <e-squizo> still... it should be easier. Since you are adding a ribbon, you could just as well add a "dismiss this warning" button to it
[16:12] <Chipaca> e-squizo: yes, we could, but
[16:12] <iklow> commodoor: that's good to know, but it doesn't do it here. I have to start the capplet (sometimes the indictor seems to work as well, but apparently not always)
[16:13] <shane4ubuntu> rye sure enough, I didn't have the logging file right
[16:13] <Chipaca> e-squizo: the discoverability of the menu is low, which would make it impossible for somebody to find it once they'd hidden the ribbon by mistake
[16:14] <Chipaca> e-squizo: if that doesn't make sense, I can try saying it again while standing on my head
[16:14] <commodoor> iklow, does it fails to connect, or start? what does indicator says?
[16:14] <Chipaca> e-squizo: rye: instead of "right click any free spot", you could say "go to files in the nautilus menu"
[16:15] <e-squizo> Chipaca: that's corpspeak for "we don't want people hiding them"? :-)
[16:15] <e-squizo> because I can argue it the other way around
[16:15] <iklow> commodoor: well, the capplet says "Disconnected", the applet says different things...
[16:16] <Chipaca> e-squizo: no... and yes, you can. I was just pointing out that it's not as simple as adding a button to make it better
[16:16] <Chipaca> e-squizo: it's more nuanced
[16:16] <e-squizo> if people enable syncing of those directories by mistake, they won't be able to disable it because the menus have low discoverability
[16:17] <rye> Chipaca, AND confirmation dialog before enabling syncing, that would be a terrific thing! Especially containing some info about Ubuntu One
[16:17] <Chipaca> e-squizo: if they enabled syncing via the menu, they know where to disable it
[16:17] <rye> Chipaca, since now it is "oops"!
[16:17] <Chipaca> e-squizo: if they enabled it via the checkbox, they can disable it from the checkbox
[16:17] <shane4ubuntu> rye, ok, fixed logging, and, cannot un-sync a folder
[16:18] <iklow> commodoor: sometimes that it's waiting to connect (or similar), but does not offer to. when i start the capplet and press connect, it starts to work
[16:18] <e-squizo> Chipaca: anyway, I'll settle for a "how do I disable this?" link.
[16:18] <Chipaca> e-squizo: if they enable syncing via the checkbox, hit the hypothetical "hide this ribbon i don't want to talk to ubuntu one ver again" button, and then say "oh darn i shoulda disabled syncing first", they'd hate us a lot more
[16:18] <commodoor> iklow, i think alot of people having that issue but it should got fixed with update
[16:19] <iklow> commodoor: ok, will this update be in maverick?
[16:20] <shane4ubuntu> tried unsubscribing folder with the folder ID number, and it doesn't work. :(
[16:20] <rye> Chipaca, apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r`; use nautilus to navigate to that folder, click 'Synchronize'. Now try Unsynchronize it. It will be unsynchronized in about... 17 hours when all metadata for MakeFiles/MakeDir is processed first
[16:21] <rye> shane4ubuntu, so you have a UDF you want to unsubscribe or remove completely?
[16:21] <shane4ubuntu> rye, unsubscribe
[16:21] <shane4ubuntu> and remove it from the server, but not from my computers
[16:21] <rye> shane4ubuntu, ok, what u1sdtool --list-folders say ? and what is current meta queue - u1sdtool --waiting-meta ?
[16:21] <Chipaca> rye: yes, that is an issue. But it *will* get unsynchronized.
[16:22] <commodoor> iklow, the update should be out, you had to enable one thing first.
[16:22] <rye> Chipaca, i vote for confirmation dialog for everything that could cause not-easily-revertible changes
[16:23] <duanedesign> gord: did you get your folder synced?
[16:23] <shane4ubuntu> rye, this folder:  id=3b9095c9-3cf5-420f-b1c6-867529b15347 subscribed=True path=/home/shane/bin  I have tried to remove it by clicking on the gui in nautilus and select stop syncing, and using the command line u1sdtool --unsubscribe-folder=folderid
[16:23] <Chipaca> "you're about to untar a file. Are you sure?"
[16:23] <commodoor> iklow, go to software resources > updates > and enable maverick-proposed
[16:24] <shane4ubuntu> rye, waiting-meta and content show a lot of stuff waiting
[16:24] <rye> shane4ubuntu, that's why it does not unsubscribe
[16:24] <gord> duanedesign, i'm not sure i follow, which folder?
[16:24] <rye> shane4ubuntu, it has to process all meta queue first
[16:24] <duanedesign> < gord> ubuntu one has been attempting to sync a shared folder for days now, but failing, u1sdtool status  that its WORKING_ON_CONTENT, anyone has any idea?
[16:25] <shane4ubuntu> wow, ok, rye I guess I will have to wait, how about removing it ?
[16:25] <gord> duanedesign, i'm waiting for it to sync from someone else, ie; they shared a folder with me and its not showing up on my computer, i can access it via the web ui and u1 has been in a cosntant state of "sync" since
[16:25] <rye> shane4ubuntu, here's what can be done. Btw, Chipaca, that's what we had to come up with due to that: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ#How%20do%20I%20stop%20syncing%20a%20folder%20outside%20~/Ubuntu%20One?
[16:26] <rye> and I vote for trash-backed unlinking for everything.
[16:26] <duanedesign> gord: what does this command say   u1sdtool -s
[16:27] <gord> duanedesign, hrm nevermind, files are finally starting to show up now, thanks anyway
[16:28] <duanedesign> gord: \o/
[16:31] <shane4ubuntu> rye, I think that is what I was going to say, is why doesn't u1 send stuff to the trash bin on the local machine instead of deleting it?  As a thought for future, I know you are busy, so I won't bother you.
[16:31] <rye> shane4ubuntu, exactly, that's what I am pushing for
[16:31] <shane4ubuntu> that would be very safe, for the time being, then in the future implement the server "trash bin"
[16:31] <Chipaca> shane4ubuntu: rye: how would that fix this?
[16:32] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca, the files that disappeared off my computer would just be in the Trash and I could recover them locally
[16:32] <rye> Chipaca, shane4ubuntu got files removed from Ubuntu-One controlled folder. On another machine these files were still there so that was not that critical. Server-side recovery attempt failed.
[16:33] <Chipaca> rye: ah, so not "the files are taking too long to delete" :)
[16:33] <Chipaca> shane4ubuntu: they deleted with no intervention?
[16:33] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca, right, I went to the folder and to my surprise it was empty!
[16:33] <Chipaca> shane4ubuntu: and the folder wasn't shared?
[16:33] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca, no, I haven't messed with sharring yet
[16:34] <shane4ubuntu> sharing*
[16:35] <rye> Chipaca, anyway I just don't like when I cannot undo something that was done. And I don't understand the "no backup" approach. Even if that is user error, moving trees to trash would give more confidence in the software. And if files are moved to trash then they are more recoverable locally.
[16:35] <Chipaca> rye: that (data loss) is the highest priority bug for foundations; if we have server logs, please set to critical and assign to lucio directly
[16:35] <Chipaca> sorry, no, i mean
[16:35] <Chipaca> if we have *debug* logs
[16:36] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca, here is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/667499
[16:36] <ubot4`> shane4ubuntu: Error: Bug #667499 is private.
[16:36] <Chipaca> (in absence of those, if you can track down server-side logs, awesome -- but it's herculean)
[16:36] <rye> Chipaca, debug logs are not usually available beforehand. Sorry, no time machine here. First files get removed, then we find out about that.
[16:37] <Chipaca> shane4ubuntu: ah, so it's the same issue I just answered via email :)
[16:37] <rye> Chipaca, one of the files that were backed up locally did not have server-hash at all.
[16:38] <rye> Chipaca, filing bugs for data loss issue is ok, better to have plan B beforehand than to find the reason after no recovery is possible
[16:41] <shane4ubuntu> I'm in and out, will leave this open for any pertinent info, just ping me.
[17:10] <karni> anyone familiar with storage protocol getDelta capability ?
[17:10] <karni> Chipaca: facundobatista: ↑
[17:10] <karni> verterok is not around, so I'd ask someone else if it's possible
[17:11] <karni> it's a general question
[17:12] <karni> The client can ask for getDelta(..) providing volume id and generation number. It should provide last generation he knows and the delta is the difference from that generation till last generation?
[17:12] <facundobatista> karni, yes
[17:13] <karni> facundobatista: hi facundobatista. so, if we have, say, generation 1, I upload a file and then we have generation 2. if the client asks for getDelta(1) he should get 2-1 == last uploaded file?
[17:14] <facundobatista> karni, yes
[17:14] <karni> facundobatista: thank you
[17:14] <facundobatista> karni, you can see this very easily in the logs
[17:14] <facundobatista> karni, put your client in debug mode, and upload a file through the web page
[17:14] <facundobatista> karni, the client will receive a "new generation for this volume", and will ask for a delta
[17:15] <karni> facundobatista: the thing is, I'm messing with verterok's Java client and I want to know how to ask for delta :)
[17:15] <karni> facundobatista: but I'll do what you said, and see the results
[17:15] <karni> facundobatista: thanks for suggestion
[17:16] <facundobatista> karni, np
[17:16] <karni> Auth kinda feels faster. I'm not sure if it's the difference between PC and my HTC Hero, but that's a good sign.
[17:17] <karni> Auth took the longest during initial connect.
[17:36] <karni> facundobatista: perfect :) it's working. I forgot to chain .getDeferred(); to getDelta call, and Java wasn't complaining about that.
[17:37] <facundobatista> karni, :)
[17:37] <karni> facundobatista: this is awesome. this will make Android client much faster.
[17:38] <facundobatista> karni, indeed!
[19:23] <vbabiy> Is there a way to see what is the sync queue because I bought a song and its been 24 and it has not been synced yet
[19:23] <vbabiy> I can see it on the webui
[19:23] <vbabiy> u1sdtool --current-transfers
[19:23] <vbabiy> Current uploads: 0
[19:23] <vbabiy> Current downloads: 0
[19:24] <karni> u1sdtool --waiting-content
[19:24] <karni> vbabiy: however, I doubt that i'll be waiting, it should be pushed to you from the server side
[19:24] <karni> duanedesign: any hints for vbabiy ↑ ?
[19:25] <vbabiy> So there is about 200 files in the u1sdtool --waiting-content
[19:25] <vbabiy> but still nothing in crrent-transfers
[19:26] <vbabiy> But the U1 desktop ui sais sync is in progress and has been that way for at least 12 hours
[19:26] <karni> vbabiy: u1sdtool --status
[19:26] <karni> paste here
[19:26] <vbabiy> u1sdtool --status
[19:26] <vbabiy> State: AUTHENTICATE
[19:26] <vbabiy>     connection: With User With Network
[19:26] <vbabiy>     description: doing auth dance
[19:26] <vbabiy>     is_connected: True
[19:26] <vbabiy>     is_error: False
[19:26] <vbabiy>     is_online: False
[19:27] <vbabiy> well that explains it
[19:27] <karni> vbabiy: it's because it seems that it's stuck on authentication
[19:27] <vbabiy> Well I will remove this box and add it again
[19:27] <vbabiy> lets see if this fixes it
[19:32] <vbabiy> Removed and added this computer and still stuck in auth and then went in to:
[19:32] <vbabiy> State: WAITING
[19:32] <vbabiy>     connection: With User With Network
[19:32] <vbabiy>     description: waiting before try connecting again
[19:32] <vbabiy>     is_connected: False
[19:32] <vbabiy>     is_error: False
[19:32] <vbabiy>     is_online: False
[19:32] <vbabiy>     queues: WORKING_ON_CONTENT
[19:32] <karni> vbabiy: now it's working on your local content, that's good
[19:32] <vbabiy> and back to the dance
[19:32] <karni> vbabiy: check in a while, it sould be.. ok, that's good
[19:32] <karni> vbabiy: has it connected?
[19:33] <vbabiy> nope still dancing :)
[19:33] <karni> vbabiy: I suggest you reauthenticate.
[19:33] <karni> vbabiy: to to me menu -> ubuntu one
[19:33] <karni> vbabiy: click disconnect
[19:34] <karni> vbabiy: alt+F2 seahorse <enter>
[19:34] <karni> vbabiy: find and remove ubuntu one token
[19:34] <karni> vbabiy: then killall ubuntu-sso-login; u1sdtool -q; u1sdtool -c
[19:35] <vbabiy> alright one second
[19:35] <karni> vbabiy: you should see either captcha on maverick or browser show up on lucid
[19:39] <karni> vbabiy: how did it go?
[19:41] <vbabiy> looks like it is stuck on auth dance
[19:41] <vbabiy> should I remove this machine using the webui
[19:42] <vbabiy> I am also running nightly u1
[19:42] <karni> vbabiy: you can, since you already removed the token manually from seahorse
[19:43] <karni> vbabiy: nightly? you could have said that earlier ;) can't help, no idea what they're rolling out daily
[19:43] <vbabiy> Sorry :D
[19:43] <karni> vbabiy: np ;)
[19:43] <karni> vbabiy: i'm on lucid, so quite far from that problem/bug
[19:44] <vbabiy> ah
[19:45] <vbabiy> Yeah looks like I can't connect :( tried removing from the website also
[19:45] <vbabiy> always gets stuck in the auth dance
[19:46] <karni> vbabiy: you can always downgrade :)
[19:46] <karni> u1, that is
[19:46] <vbabiy> Yeah I am thinking abou tit
[19:46] <vbabiy> what would be the best way to do that
[19:48] <vbabiy> wait looks like I made progess State: SERVER_RESCAN
[19:48] <vbabiy>     connection: With User With Network
[19:48] <vbabiy>     description: doing server rescan
[19:49] <karni> vbabiy: yes, that's good
[19:51] <mahen> hi there
[20:05] <vbabiy> When I look in banshee this is the state of the song Transferring to your Ubuntu One storage
[20:07] <karni> vbabiy: that's good I guess? :)
[20:07] <vbabiy> not when its been like that for a day
[20:07] <vbabiy> :(
[20:11] <karni> vbabiy: try during the day tomorrow
[20:11] <karni> guys are probably away already
[20:11] <karni> plus, many of them are at UDS
[21:18] <shane4ubuntu> karni, what is that UDS I have heard that a time or two now
[21:18] <karni> shane4ubuntu: Ubuntu Developer Summit, currently in Orlando
[21:19] <shane4ubuntu> ohhh, I should have figured something Ubuntu, I just couldn't pull it out of the acronym


[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[07:21] <nigelb> Morning dholbach, had a good weekend?
[07:22] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:22] <dholbach> yeah, I did :)
[07:23] <dholbach> fête de la musique on friday, bought a bicycle and had a bbq with friends on saturday and took the bike for a ride outside Berlin to a lake to visit some friends yesterday - vegan pizza to finish off the day :)
[07:23] <dholbach> so I can't complain :)
[07:23] <dholbach> how about yourself?
[07:23] <nigelb> Nice.
[07:24] <nigelb> Heh, I went bowling, playing air hockey, and shooting zoombies with a friend.
[07:24] <nigelb> Oh, and vietnamese dinner.
[07:24] <dholbach> mmmmmhhhh! :)
[07:24] <nigelb> My arm still hurts from the bowling, and I'm craving the coconut sorbet I had. Otherwise, I can't complain too :)
[09:34]  * dholbach relocates
[09:34] <dholbach> brb
[11:37] <dholbach> brb
[13:00] <smartboyhw> Guys, our QA Classroom sessions starts 1 hour later. Make sure you join us through #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat!
[13:01] <smartboyhw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Saucy
[13:02] <Pici> 1 hour later than what?
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Pici, now:P
[13:04] <Pici> o
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Or actually, 57 minutes.
[13:30] <smartboyhw> I got it wrong guys, it's 60 minutes from now:)
[13:36] <balloons> smartboyhw, your not the only one to mess up the time :-)
[13:36] <smartboyhw> balloons, you too I know. Cheers:)
[13:36] <balloons> it's always fun during daylight savings time
[13:38] <smartboyhw> balloons, yeah!
[13:40] <jared> That's why I always use UTC for everything.
[13:40] <smartboyhw> jared, me too.
[13:41] <smartboyhw> HKT = UTC+8
[13:53] <jcastro> elfy: did IS get to those tickets?
[13:53] <jcastro> iirc there were 2 of them
[13:54] <elfy> no idea jcastro - not been really about much to check - just got in from work
[13:54] <jcastro> ok
[13:55] <jcastro> I'll ask him when he's in
[13:55] <jcastro> ~1 hour from now
[13:55] <elfy> tbh - we've got so many of them I've lost track of which I was looking at :)
[13:55] <elfy> I think s.fox was doing these 2
[13:55] <jcastro> I also don't remember the numbers, all I know is that there were 2
[13:56] <elfy> aah staging and thread prefixes perhaps were the ones
[13:56] <elfy> bah - nope
[13:56] <elfy> vbulletin account
[13:57] <elfy> jcastro: nothing done on that one https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=22280
[13:57] <elfy> and the staging down one https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=22165
[13:57] <jcastro> k
[13:58] <elfy> cheers
[13:58] <elfy> jcastro: as far as discourse and issues - codinghorror is aware we are sorting one out to post there
[13:59] <jcastro> k
[15:00] <jono> dpm, will be there in a min
[15:01] <jono> dpm, there now
[15:01] <dpm> jono, ok, wrapping up a call, coming
[15:01] <jono> dpm, np
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, dpm, balloons planning call now
[16:01] <dholbach> jono, waiting for you guys already :)
[16:01]  * balloons notes hippies are in!
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, we are already there
[16:01] <dholbach> jono, was it the call from the calendar?
[16:02] <jono> dholbach, balloons, spm https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1e03548ffb3848c6a90a8d854db3204735815858
[16:02] <jono> dpm ^
[16:02] <dpm> jono, coming
[16:40] <cjohnston> jono: scroll just below the list of people and their work items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/canonical-community.html
[16:40] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day - see youuuuuuuuuuu!
[16:40] <jono> cjohnston, yeah?
[16:41] <jono> cjohnston, why?
[16:41] <jono> :-)
[16:41] <jono> night dh
[16:41] <cjohnston> Links to your milestones
[16:41] <balloons> cjohnston, I saw that this morning :-)
[16:41] <balloons> <#
[16:41] <balloons> <3
[16:41] <cjohnston> The first one looks like icecream.. I'll settle for that
[16:43] <balloons> mm ice cream.. my wife is making some homemade ice cream :-)
[16:43] <cjohnston> :-(
[16:43] <cjohnston> mhall119 invites me over every time I drive past him. you didn't invite me over
[16:49] <balloons> the ice cream is literally churning now
[16:50] <balloons> it'll be ready tomorrow.. if your here, you can have some :-)
[16:50] <mhall119> tomorrow?  that's a slow icecream machine
[16:52] <balloons> mhall119, lol.. handchurned all the way
[16:54] <mhall119> tomorrow? that's a lot of churning
[16:55] <balloons> start to finish it's a multiday thing if you want to allow time for deepfreezing between steps -- including the last step before you eat it :-)
[16:56] <balloons> no shortcuts here, only the best for cjohnston
[16:58] <cjohnston> balloons: I'll be too busy up here with guns and stuff to drive down for ice cream :-)
[16:58] <balloons> cjohnston, you can swing by on the way back. Meet my in-laws, it'll already be a full house :-)
[16:59] <cjohnston> lol
[16:59] <cjohnston> Probably a little too far from 95
[16:59]  * balloons notes this is why cjohnston doesn't get invited
[16:59] <cjohnston> lol
[17:00] <balloons> ok enough teasing.. hope your enjoy yourself.
[17:00] <balloons> *hope you are enjoying yourself
[17:00] <cjohnston> I can't help the fact that I could throw a rock from the highway and hit mhall119's house
[17:00]  * balloons won't ask if cjohnston has done so
[17:00] <cjohnston> hehehe
[17:08] <mhall119> so that's who it was
[17:18] <IdleOne> jono or anybodywho can answer: Does Ubuntu/Canonical have a EUFI genius who would be willing to give a -classroom class, with some video perhaps and screenshots. We are seeing a lot of broken install in #ubuntu because of this ?
[17:19] <jono> IdleOne, EUFI?
[17:19] <IdleOne> EUFI/EFI that new buios thingy
[17:19] <IdleOne> bios*
[17:20] <IdleOne> sorry UEFI
[17:21] <IdleOne> this garbage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
[17:24] <IdleOne> We do have https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI but still there seems to be a lot of confusion and failed installs, we are seeing a lot of people saying that they are unable to boot to windows after trying to and failing ubuntu installs
[17:30] <Tm_T> I had one indian guy asking help via video call the other day with that
[18:21] <balloons> IdleOne, hmm, the best person to have cover that is probably cjwatson and/or slangasek.. the core foundations guys
[18:22] <IdleOne> balloons: thank you.
[18:22] <balloons> that said I'm not sure it would help necessarily.. uefi and locked bootloaders in general increased the requirements on an enduser to be able to install there own os
[18:22] <balloons> which is sad, but ;-(
[18:23] <IdleOne> I don't have any setups with uefi, but from what I can tell it is a pain.
[19:11] <jono> jcastro, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNe45s7Xr2E
[19:11] <jono> jcastro, that first song is *awesome*
[19:27] <jcastro> I'm on noaudio mode right now
[19:28] <jcastro> I'll check it later, doing a screencast
[19:37] <jcastro> jono: heya this screencast is being annoying today, if we can go early today so I can concentrate on it post-call that would be <3
[19:38] <jono> jcastro, need to wrap a blog post and then I can go early
[19:39] <jcastro> no worries
[19:51] <jono> Ubuntu Weekly Update Videocast, Mir Interview, and More Interviews - http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/06/24/ubuntu-weekly-update-videocast-mir-interview-and-more-interviews/ - keeping the information flowin'!
[19:52] <jcastro> jono: you're two paragraphs over!
[19:53] <jono> jcastro, lol
[19:53] <jono> jcastro, ok, reboot and then I will be there
[20:31] <mhall119> jcastro: hey man, you should show off juju for this: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/intro-guide-to-android-client-server-communication/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+xda-developers%2FShsH+%28xda-developers%29&utm_content=FaceBook
[21:12] <bkerensa> Chromium in Ubuntu needs some security love
[21:15] <daker> bkerensa: what what ?
[21:16] <bkerensa> daker: Ubuntu is shipping Chromium 25. Upstream is at 28 and the amount of CVE's between 25 and 27 alone is pretty high while there are even more between 27 and 28
[21:17] <daker> bkerensa: yes i use the ppa i am running "27.0.1453.6 Ubuntu 12.10 (191032)"
[21:17] <bkerensa> yeah even there is a small gap with some CVE's
[21:17] <bkerensa> but the normal package in Ubuntu is a big block of swiss cheese
[21:19] <bkerensa> daker: in 28 a security bug was fixed that allows flash apps to to take control of your camera and mike
[21:20] <bkerensa> mic*
[21:20] <bkerensa> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=249335
[21:20] <bkerensa> :)
[21:20] <daker> whaoo
[21:20] <bkerensa> daker: you been dancing in front of your mic while playing flash games on russian sites lately? :)
[21:20] <bkerensa> cam/mic*
[21:21] <daker> bkerensa: my mic is always muted, my cam is hidden with a small sticker
[21:22] <bkerensa> :)
[21:22] <daker> bkerensa: i don't want to use the ppa anymore, we need to update the package
[21:23] <bkerensa> daker: the PPA is actually better than what is shipping without it :) but its still got a lot of security gaps
[21:23] <jcastro> qengho is working on updating the packaging
[21:24] <ajmitch> yes, I see he's got a daily build PPA
[21:26]  * popey notes chromium is in universe
[21:28] <jcastro> 330525
[21:31] <daker> popey: ya but which version ?
[21:31] <jcastro> 25
[21:31] <jcastro> it's inprogress to be updated in distro
[21:31] <jcastro> there was some issue with arm builders or something
[21:55] <daker> 25 is __very__old, we are in Rapid Release Development cycle :(
[21:58] <jcastro> yep
[22:11] <bkerensa> daker: do work :P you are a chromium user :)
[22:12] <daker> bkerensa: i was a firefox user since 2007, but with time FF start eating a lot of mem with its UI change back in 2009
[22:13] <daker> i lost bockmarks more than once
[22:13] <bkerensa> daker: do you enable telemetry and FHR? Also the nightly builds are insanely fast :)
[22:13] <bkerensa> telemetry and FHR helps Mozilla make performance improvements across all the things
[22:14] <daker> i lost bookmarks more than once
[22:14] <daker> and i am still waiting for per tab process for years now :(
[22:15] <bkerensa> daker: some awesome stuff is in the nightly and some amazing new features are coming :)
[22:15] <bkerensa> new sync is a example of one of the awesome things coming :)
[22:16] <daker> bkerensa: see http://i.imgur.com/anGzogN.png
[22:17] <daker> i am a webdeveloper so i need both of them
[22:18] <bkerensa> daker: I just use browser shots for cross-platform testing
[22:19] <bkerensa> but yeah
[22:46] <daker> bkerensa: other thing about FF, why do we need all menus :D ?
[22:46] <daker> those*
[22:47] <bkerensa> daker: have you tried the Australis? There are major UI changes coming
[22:49] <daker> i saw the mockups
[22:49] <bkerensa> daker: I encourage you to use the feedback feature to submit feedback... Its actually listened and also enable FHR and Telemetry
[22:50] <daker> bkerensa: and how to enable that ?
[22:50] <bkerensa> daker: about:telemetry
[22:50] <bkerensa> then click enable
[22:50] <bkerensa> and I'm not sure if FHR is in the stable repo
[22:50] <bkerensa> but you can add the nightly ppa and run that
[22:50] <bkerensa> its just as stable and has all the recent improvements to firefox
[22:51] <daker> do you have a link
[22:51] <daker> ?
[22:51] <bkerensa> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/924510
[22:52] <bkerensa> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-health-report-understand-your-browser-perf
[22:52] <bkerensa> http://blog.mozilla.org/tglek/2011/05/13/firefox-telemetry/
[22:52] <bkerensa> I would say 99% of Firefox Linux users do not have Telemetry enabled
[22:53] <bkerensa> without it enabled FF Team has no way of knowing of FF performs on Linux since no measurement occurs
[22:54] <daker> bkerensa: also the implementation of componement in GTK is ALWAYS bad http://i.imgur.com/Imqq8bF.png
[22:54] <daker> so i would say the wrench menu will look very bad :)
[22:55] <daker> compared to mac os & windows
[22:55] <bkerensa> daker: submit that feedback
[22:55] <daker> i don't know if a GTK limitation or ...
[22:56] <bkerensa> daker: Help -> Submit Feedback
[22:56] <bkerensa> tell them the UI could be improved and share the screenshot ;)
[22:56] <daker> ah got it
[22:59] <bkerensa> daker: one thing to note is that Ubuntu doesn't use the same libraries that Mozilla ships in its Linux builds
[22:59] <bkerensa> which is why some performance issues are hard to tack down
[23:08] <daker> bkerensa: can you try this link https://triggerrally.com/
[23:09] <bkerensa> daker: works for me
[23:09] <daker> FF 21 crashes :(
[23:10] <daker> 20 & 21
[23:11] <daker> https://plus.google.com/113862800338869870683/posts/gxpzq1kFFy8
[23:27] <daker> bkerensa: i just see the same UI :(