[10:07] <melanie> calamari: i'll remember :)
[10:07] <calamari> I should install xmms and see if my midi daughterboard works
[10:08] <melazyboy> Does anyone know if xorg and fglrx are fixed yet?
[10:08] <calamari> can't right now though, because I'm in the middle of installing wine on dialup
[10:08] <Hikaru79> fglrx needs to be 'fixed'??
[10:09] <daniels> melazyboy: no
[10:09] <daniels> melazyboy: (as in, no it isn't)
[10:09] <melazyboy> *crys*
[10:09] <Hikaru79> So *that's* why my friends card wasn't working
[10:09] <melazyboy> Hikaru79: Fglrx isn't compatable with hoary xorg
[10:09] <im_ka> are 16bit pcmcia lan cards different to 32bit ones in shape, size?
[10:09] <Hikaru79> Oh, hoary
[10:09] <Hikaru79> Never mind
[10:10] <melazyboy> daniels: did those two links i sent you thursday help at all?
[10:11] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Sorry my wife ambushed me with something that had to be done..
[10:11] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, heh... ;)
[10:11] <ztonzy> that's the way of life
[10:12] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: yeah thats for sure...heh....  I have no idea why the packages are broken...
[10:12] <TheCan> i didnt find the source for the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel from ubuntu. do i need this deb-src entry for it?
[10:13] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Found another problem with Ubuntu...it thinks my printer is stopped and I can't select resume to print...
[10:13] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, there are a menu for fix broken packages in synaptic...look for it
[10:13] <im_ka> are 16bit pcmcia lan cards different to 32bit ones in shape, size?
[10:13] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Ok
[10:13] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, ack! sorry, I dont use printer here lol
[10:13] <sjoerd> im_ka: the 32 bit ones are cardbus not pcmcia
[10:13] <swim> hi, is there a grub file where I can add noapic to the boot parameters?
[10:14] <giannicola> ho
[10:14] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: yeah that didn't work either
[10:14] <swim> can anyone read this?
[10:14] <Zugwrack> swim: yes
[10:14] <swim> thanks
[10:14] <calamari> is there a way to have my modem connection more equally shared between applications?  It seems like synaptic hogs all my bandwidth
[10:14] <sjoerd> im_ka: size is the same though
[10:14] <NewNick> has fglrx been patched to work with XORG yet?
[10:14] <daniels> NewNick: ni
[10:15] <im_ka> sjoerd my problem is that the 32bit card i got is not sitting firmly in the socket
[10:15] <NewNick> damn
[10:15] <ljlane> swim, try grub.conf or menu.lst in /boot/grub/
[10:15] <swim> thanks ljlane
[10:15] <swim> brb
[10:15] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, sorry, wished I knew how to help you
[10:15] <im_ka> i can unplug it w/o any resistance or using the lil button
[10:15] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Let me ask you....how do I upgrade the whole bleedin thing to Hoary?
[10:15] <giannicola> hi
[10:15] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Least that can happen is that it won't work either...
[10:16] <melazyboy> Zugwrack: s/warty/hoary/g in /etc/atp/sources.list
[10:16] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, just change name to Hoary in repositries instead of Warthy (or how it is spelled) but I wont do it
[10:16] <melazyboy> then update, and dist-upgrade in apt-get
[10:16] <giannicola> do you know where i can find the gnome theme that seem to be using an apple pc?
[10:16] <ljlane> swim: there a graphical app name grubconf too. I don't know if it's in ubuntu.
[10:16] <giannicola> and what is it's name?
[10:16] <Zugwrack> melazyboy: just like the syntax you gave?
[10:17] <melazyboy> Zugwrack: s/warty/hoary/g, is a regex, its more of a notatation replace all isntances of warty with hoary
[10:17] <calamari> is there a way to change the background color so that it isn't as bright white?
[10:18] <TheCan> calamari, right click on the desktop and click change background
[10:18] <giannicola> do you know where i can find the gnome theme that seem to be using an apple pc?
[10:18] <giannicola> and what is it's name?
[10:18] <calamari> TheCan: sorry, I mean the window backgrounds
[10:18] <calamari> TheCan: I think I need to modify a theme
[10:18] <TheCan> calamari, you need a different theme for this
[10:18] <TheCan> just get one from themes.org for example
[10:19] <TheCan> if you like the darker backgrounds like in solaris, i propose mist-solaris theme
[10:19] <calamari> can I just edit a theme for a different background color?
[10:19] <calamari> I like the windows-grey color, it doesn't hurt my eyes as much
[10:19] <TheCan> calamari, yes sure
[10:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> did Ive lost con?
[10:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> ls
[10:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> ops wrong terminal =)
[10:21] <calamari> hmm, there's Redmond95, but that has way ugly controls.. Industrial is much better :)
[10:21] <strixy> <-- New user
[10:21] <strixy> heloo
[10:22] <calamari> do you know where the themes are located?  I might try to hack one up
[10:22] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: wish me luck...be back in a little while...heh
[10:22] <strixy> I was wondering how I configure services in Ubuntu
[10:23] <TheCan> calamari, maybe ask in #gnome ?
[10:24] <calamari> 'k
[10:24] <swim> hi, Im getting a problem when booting ubuntu, I guess it boots into x I can here a little ubuntu sound and I get a black screen, but do not see gnome...
[10:24] <swim> could it be something to do with nvidia?
[10:25] <swim> I havent installed the drivers yet
[10:25] <calamari> swim: try pushing ctrl-alt minus
[10:25] <swim> calamari: when I see the black screen?
[10:25] <calamari> swim: yeah... mine was displaying an invalid video mode
[10:25] <calamari> ctrl-alt +/- change your video mode
[10:25] <swim> oh ok Ill try that...
[10:25] <Faustus> does ubuntu set up a firewall by default?
[10:26] <swim> brb thanks
[10:26] <calamari> swim: good luck
[10:28] <fissy> hiya.... how would i create a .deb package from a tar.gz archive?
[10:28] <strixy> Faustus, A. No. Reason is here -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/firewall
[10:29] <fissy> would be nice if firestarter were a supported package though...
[10:29] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Updating...
[10:29] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, works ?
[10:29] <Zugwrack> melazyboy: do you know if the smp kernels are available yet in Hoary?
[10:30] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: won't know for about another 14 minutes..heh
[10:30] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, hehe...how many packages ?
[10:30] <strixy> fissy. Alien, parhaps would help.Alien allows you to convert LSB, Red Hat, Stampede and Slackware Packages
[10:30] <strixy> into Debian packages, which can be installed with dpkg.
[10:30] <strixy> It can also generate packages of any of the other formats.
[10:30] <strixy> This is a tool only suitable for binary packages.
[10:30] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: 600 using the smart selection
[10:30] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, I got only 292 :)
[10:31] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Yes, but this is also a macintosh version...
[10:31] <swim> hi again... calamari that didnt work :(  any other ideas?
[10:31] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: So you are running Hoary, or Warty?
[10:31] <ztonzy> warty
[10:31] <Zugwrack> Ahhh
[10:32] <ztonzy> wont update to hoary until final release
[10:32] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Ahhh...don't be scared..heh
[10:32] <Zugwrack> All that can happen is I will have to re-install...
[10:32] <fissy> strixy, i've installed beep 0.9.7 and some of the plugins for it from source, and i'd like to install them on a friends computer without going through the hassle of installing all the dev packages like i had to.
[10:32] <Zugwrack> Only takes about 15-20 mins on my g4
[10:32] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, I just had issues with laggy gnome, that's enough ;)
[10:33] <swim> Im getting a problem when I boot ubuntu, I think it starts x but all I get is a black screen... (I think I hear gnome starting though) help? do I need to install the nvidia drivers first?
[10:33] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Yes but wasn't that just trying to upgrade Gnome? and not the whole system?
[10:33] <_|Imanewbie|_> swim: wich is you video card?
[10:33] <LinuxNT> Good day! Where to check snapshots from Ubuntu?
[10:34] <swim> _|Imanewbie|_: Ive got a geforce 4 440 I think
[10:34] <calamari> swim: nope, sorry... I'm pretty new
[10:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> swim: I got no problems with my nvidia
[10:34] <swim> _|Imanewbie|_: you didnt install new nvidia drivers ?
[10:34] <strixy> I just migrated from FC2 and was wondering how, in Ubuntu, I can configure services. Specifically, turn daemons on at boot.
[10:34] <carbomb> Hi everyone... I am new to linux and I'm trying to install ubuntu on my PC.  I go through the install process after booting from the CD, and everything seems fine.  After the installer finishes, it asks me to remove the CD and reboot.  When I do, I only get the message "Grub Loading, Please Wait" and then the machine stops responding.  Any idea how I can resolve this?
[10:35] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, no, just some gnome parts
[10:35] <_|Imanewbie|_> swim: Ive made the normal install and AFTER (it booted all oki) Ive installed nvdia, but my gnome worked out of of the box
[10:35] <calamari> swim: nope you don't need to install new drivers (I'm running NVidia Ti4200)
[10:35] <swim> hrmm
[10:35] <ztonzy> stupid...wouldnt do it again...basic install should be enough :P
[10:35] <LinuxNT> ...
[10:35] <swim> so what the heck is going on?
[10:35] <_|Imanewbie|_> swim: What kind of monitor are you using?
[10:35] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: you have any idea how to update the menu(with script) to add items that don't just pop in after install?
[10:36] <swim> _|Imanewbie|_: its a laptop... lcd
[10:36] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, hmm, in Gnome main menu ?
[10:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> swim: I have no previous experiences with laptops sorry =(
[10:37] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Yes..like under games or whatever...I installed tuxkart...but it didn't add to the games menu
[10:37] <Zugwrack> ztonzy:or use the configuration editor?
[10:37] <cuga> Hey, I have accelerated ATI drivers installed, which I had to overwrite some gl libs, but now i can't apt-get anything cause it says my gl libs dependencies are unmet, how can i make it not look at tha package?
[10:38] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, no I dont...I am not that long time linux user...but if you knew where it is installed you could just rightclick in menu add it yourself
[10:38] <ztonzy> quite easy in gnome 2.8
[10:38] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Ok...Mandrake has a little script update-menus..that addresses this small problem
[10:39] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, gnome or kde ?
[10:39] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: kde
[10:39] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, yepp...I think I have seen it once or so
[10:40] <swim> can anyone help? I boot ubuntu, but instead of getting gnome I get a black screen, and can hear gnome starting...  (Im on a laptop btw)
[10:40] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: however I am about 45 packages away from crashing horribly or being upgraded to a Hoary..heh
[10:40] <Zugwrack> BRB
[10:40] <ztonzy> lol
[10:40] <carbomb> Hi everyone... I am new to linux and I'm trying to install ubuntu on my PC.  I go through the install process after booting from the CD, and everything seems fine.  After the installer finishes, it asks me to remove the CD and reboot.  When I do, I only get the message "Grub Loading, Please Wait" and then the machine stops responding.  Any idea how I can resolve this?
[10:41] <sebb> I have problems installing alsa 1.0.7, saying that I don't have my kernel sources, while I have them
[10:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> carbomb: Maybe, 90% sure your grub is crashed, I would suggest you to try boot from a floppy disk
[10:42] <ztonzy> carbomb, dualboot with windows xp ?
[10:42] <strixy> Question? Is there a GUI system config tool in Ubuntu?
[10:42] <strixy> or am I editing by hand?
[10:42] <_|Imanewbie|_> strixy: Wich kind of config? You have gnome gui
[10:44] <carbomb> Imanewbie: OK, is there a GRUB boot floppy I can download?  ztonzy: No dual boot... ubuntu is the only thing on the HD... the installer automatically partitioned the entire drive.
[10:45] <ztonzy> carbomb, sometimes when i have had problems I set hd's to LBA in BIOS
[10:45] <_|Imanewbie|_> carbomb: Did you mess up your partitiosn right?
[10:46] <_|Imanewbie|_> carbomb: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/
[10:46] <the_stick> Hi
[10:46] <carbomb> ztonzy: I can check the BIOS and try that.  Will I have to reinstall the OS, or should just changing it to LBA work?
[10:46] <the_stick> what's the command to copy a file in the terminal?
[10:46] <carbomb> Imanewbie: I didn't manually do anything to the partitions... I just let the ubuntu setup cd do its thing automatically.
[10:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> ops
[10:47] <Vince-0> sup
[10:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> how can I close a tab on irsii?
[10:47] <carbomb> Imanewbie: I didn't manually do anything to the partitions... I just let the ubuntu setup cd do its thing automatically
[10:47] <Vince-0> dunno
[10:47] <strixy> Imanewbie: I'm looking to edit system config files for services. I'm in Gnome.
[10:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> strixy: wich kind of service?
[10:48] <strixy> specifically? LAMP
[10:48] (EfaistOs/#ubuntu) how to refresh the desktop ? i have downloaded some jpeg on desktop but they dont appear *
[10:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> carbomb: didnt you install grub during the commom installing process?
[10:48] <strixy> Apache, Mysql, PHP
[10:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> strixy: I think you dont havea guy for it by default
[10:49] <carbomb> imanewbie: GRUB wsa installed during the Ubuntu setup process, but it didn't give me any options to set.  It was handled automatically by the installer.
[10:49] <apoka> debmod in ubuntu?
[10:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> carbomb: so the problem is grub inst there or your windows partition is missing?
[10:49] <strixy> is there something post-install I can look for or should I just start hacking init.d
[10:51] <the_stick> whats the command ?
[10:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> carbomb: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-legacy-support.en.html here you can have grub support, faq and howtos
[10:51] <the_stick> I want to copy a file from /home/Desktop to /etc/X11/gdm
[10:51] <swoon> is there a tool to configure X? like monitor and stuff?
[10:52] <strixy> carbomb: are you trying to install Ubuntu as a dual-boot with Win?
[10:52] <the_stick> any kind person willing to help ?
[10:52] <carbomb> strixy: It shouldn't have a windows partition.  No dual boot, just ubuntu.
[10:53] <rapha> the_stick: "sudo cp /home/Desktop/my/file /etc/X11/gdm"
[10:53] <strixy> (I can't remember, help me a sec) Did Ubuntu allow you to install GRUB to your MBR?
[10:53] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I register my nickname on irc?
[10:53] <swoon> ... hmm anyone?
[10:54] <rapha> strixy: Well, mine is there. Not sure if it got there by way of the Ubuntu installer though.
[10:54] <Faustus> thnks strixy
[10:54] <strixy> NP :)
[10:54] <carbomb> strixy: it didn't give me any options at all for installing GRUB.  The only thing I had to do in the ubuntu installer was pick country, language, and tell it to automatically partition my drives.
[10:54] <giannicola> hi
[10:55] <giannicola> today in italy was LINUX DAY
[10:55] <giannicola> fantastic!
[10:55] <bwlang> giannicola: every day is linux day in my house ;)  did you help anyboy install ubuntu?
[10:55] <strixy> carbomb: How are you online now? (2nd box?)
[10:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> wee registered my nick
[10:56] <giannicola> yes
[10:56] <carbomb> strixy: I am using the version of ubuntu that runs off of CD-ROM and doesn't require an install.
[10:56] <giannicola> and we made troubleshooting
[10:56] <giannicola> very very crowded
[10:56] <giannicola> and tomorrow install fest!
[10:57] <strixy> carbomb: What type of processor, mobo and HD are you using?
[10:58] <apoka> debmod in ubuntu
[10:58] <apoka> ?
[10:58] <apoka> howto
[10:58] <apoka> ?
[10:58] <Quest-Master> KMid isn't working for me at all :(
[10:58] <carbomb> strixy: Intel P4 2.8ghz, some intel MB (not sure of model) Maxtor 120GB hd.  Using the ubuntu 4.10 install CD that came in the mail yesterday.
[10:59] <Quest-Master> It says it can't get access to /dev/sequencer and that their might me another program running it
[10:59] <Quest-Master> But there isn't
[10:59] <Quest-Master> And, I tried running it as su
[11:01] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I close a chat tab on irsii?
[11:02] <Xenguy> _|Imanewbie|_: /unq
[11:02] <Xenguy> _|Imanewbie|_: mnemonic -> unquery
[11:02] <Quest-Master> Anyone have any idea why it won't work?
[11:03] <swim> can anyone tell me how to turn off start X at boot?
[11:04] <Xenguy> swim: I bet that is a FAQ by now, but one way is to apt-get install rcconf, then use rcconf to turn off gdm startup at boot
[11:05] <swim> Iknow that there is a gdm file somewhere that you can just rename and it will stop loading at boot
[11:05] <swim> I just dont know where
[11:05] <Xenguy> /etc/init.d/gdm
[11:05] <swim> ah thanks
[11:05] <Xenguy> swim: yw
[11:06] <strixy> carbomb: I'm wondering what would happen if you were to try "grub-install /dev/hda" from your current environment and then try to install.
[11:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> daamm /nickserv identify doesnt work
[11:06] <bwlang> swim: it's not generally a good idea to just delete files...   you might want to have a look at update-rc.d
[11:06] <Quest-Master> _|Imanewbie|_: Try /ns IDENTIFY
[11:06] <egon_spengler> _|Imanewbie|_: Try /msg nickserv identify
[11:07] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Whew....made it...doesn't look like anything is broken...
[11:07] <carbomb> strixy: hold on, I'll give that a try.
[11:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> egon_spengler: thanks it worked =)
[11:07] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, yay
[11:07] <ztonzy> :)
[11:08] <egon_spengler> NP _|Imanewbie|_
[11:08] <carbomb> strixy:  root@ubuntu:/home/warty # grub-install /dev/hda
[11:08] <carbomb> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[11:08] <carbomb> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[11:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I close tabs on irsii I promisse this time I will take note =)
[11:09] <carbomb> I am running off the LiveCD, and it looks like when I do it puts the HDA in read-only mode.  I'm not sure if that is what caused this error.
[11:09] <egon_spengler> _|Imanewbie|_: Are you through with that window?
[11:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> solved =)
[11:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> egon_spengler: yes
[11:10] <egon_spengler> try /part
[11:10] <strixy> It's reading your CD as HDa
[11:10] <strixy> not your harddrive
[11:10] <strixy> I guess that
[11:10] <strixy> 's to be expected
[11:11] <carbomb> I don't know strixy... when I access HDA, the drive light goes on.
[11:11] <Hikaru79> Is there any sort of app that will allow more than one program to use the sound card at once? At the moment, if I have a program like cgoban running, .avi's will run without sound and vice versa
[11:11] <Hikaru79> Any workaround?
[11:11] <strixy> What extension is it giving your HD?
[11:11] <strixy> HDb?
[11:11] <carbomb> HDA1
[11:13] <bwlang> Hikaru79: alsa has support for something called dmix that will do what you want ... but you could also use arts (kde) or esd (gnome) or nasd, or jack... etc.
[11:13] <Gwildor> umm, guys, ctrl-H isnt working, i cant unhide files....hoary
[11:14] <tseng> view - hidden files works
[11:14] <Zugwrack> Hey I need some help...I don't understand why after I mount one of my firewire hard drive partitions..the first tree node under the partition is rwx..but then the node underneath that is mounted read only?
[11:15] <Gwildor> thank you, any idea why ctrl-h doesnt work tseng ?
[11:15] <xzgv> hile_, is it true there is no 'modconf' in the ubuntu repositories?
[11:15] <xzgv> i meant hi
[11:15] <Zugwrack> Example... Albums is the main directory...under that are all the individual album music for a given artist...these are all marked read only??
[11:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> xzgv: try adding universe
[11:16] <xzgv> add universe to the repositories?
[11:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> go to your sorces.list and add universe to it
[11:16] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: I am updating to KDE in Hoary as I type...heh
[11:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> xzgv: yes
[11:16] <xzgv> thanks a lot bud
[11:17] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: was is necessary for you to reboot after install...or just log out?
[11:18] <Gwildor> i cant install hoary....missing some dependancies
[11:18] <Gwildor> err....kde
[11:18] <Gwildor> kde in hoary
[11:18] <Zugwrack> Gwildor: I am doing it right now...
[11:18] <Zugwrack> some packages seem to be broken...just select kdebase and see what happens...your mileage will vary from there..
[11:19] <Gwildor> Zugwrack, i need kdeaddons  kdegraphics  kdeutils
[11:19] <Gwildor> oh...ok
[11:19] <Quest-Master> KMid >:
[11:19] <Nap_> good evening
[11:20] <Gwildor> Zugwrack, good, i feel better about that ne ways...less K stuff to install
[11:20] <Zugwrack> Gwildor: Give me a sec to see what happens...it is still installing my packages I selected...
[11:20] <king_arthur> Nap_: Hi
[11:20] <Gwildor> Zugwrack, too late...installing now
[11:20] <Nap_> I have a problem with ndiswrapper
[11:20] <Nap_> mahe:/home/francois# modprobe ndiswrapper
[11:20] <Nap_> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[11:20] <Zugwrack> Gwildor: ;->))
[11:21] <Gwildor> Zugwrack, good luck.....ill ttyl..............brb
[11:21] <Nap_> Is it a problem with the k7 kernel ?
[11:21] <bob2> Nap_: reinstall whatever package it came from
[11:21] <calamari> anyone using wine with Ubuntu?  Just installed it and it's getting Seg faults, even on sol.exe
[11:22] <Nap_> bob2: the kernel module is shiped with the kernel package
[11:22] <bob2> Nap_: no it's not
[11:22] <bob2> I mean, I really hope we're not actually including ndiswrapper in the default kernels
[11:22] <Nap_> the only ndiswrapper package is ndiswrapper-utils which provide the user space utilities
[11:23] <bob2> ouch
[11:23] <Zugwrack> Well it appears that kcontrol package is broken...it is erroring out...and deselecting it won't let the install of kde complete
[11:23] <Riddell> Gwildor: hoary seems to have a strange mix of KDE 3.2 and KDE 3.3
[11:23] <Zugwrack> Riddell: Any sage words of advice for me?
[11:24] <Riddell> Gwildor: my packages fill in the gaps "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main"
[11:24] <Nap_> bob2: look at the file list of the kernel package
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Girl: "Forgive me father for i have sinned."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Priest:"What have you done my child?"

[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Girl:"Because he touched my hand."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Priest:"Like this?" (as he touches her hand)
[11:24] <Nap_> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Girl:"Yes father."

[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Girl:"Then he touched my bleep."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Priest:"Like this?" (as he touches her bleep)
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Girl:"Yes father."

[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Girl:"Then he took off my clothes, father."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Priest:"Like this?" (as he takes off her clothes)
[11:24] <Riddell> Zugwrack: if you're using hoary try my packages
[11:24] <Zugwrack> Riddell: Can you send them..or point me where to get them?
[11:24] <Zugwrack> Riddell: It shouldn't matter that I am using PPC?
[11:25] <Riddell> Zugwrack: ah, they're not compiled for ppc
[11:25] <Zugwrack> Riddell: now that is a bummer...yep I upgraded to Hoary..and the only package not to work is kcontrol...I can't get the darn thing installed
[11:25] <Nap_> so does someone have heard of a problem with the ndiswrapper module of the k7 kernel ?
[11:33] <melazyboy> did PorscheBoy get a perma ban?
[11:34] <melazyboy> Ha thats funny
[11:34] <melazyboy> only a nick ban
[11:35] <bob2> what's the point of banning a dyamic ip?
[11:36] <daniels> and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is pointless, 'cause he'll just change his username
[11:36] <bob2> plus I've seen a moron by that nick before
[11:36] <siimo> hi is there a CLI command to check memory usage that will show the value that gkrellm shows? (not top)
[11:36] <ik5pvx> vmstat?
[11:37] <melazyboy> bob2: Not saying there is a point, you should probably go ahead and ban any nick with a car manufacture embedded in it... stupid car fanatics
[11:38] <melazyboy> there all irritating anyway
[11:41] <jmhodges> thats odd..
[11:42] <jmhodges> i have a dvdom and a cdrw on this machine.. but ubuntu only shows the dvdrom..
[11:42] <Quest-Master> I am going to kill myself unless I find a freaking solution to fixing KMid
[11:42] <Quest-Master> x_x
[11:43] <jmhodges> the cdrw turns on its "active" light .. but leaves it on..
[11:43] <jmhodges> i can burn to it, but i can't mount it
[11:43] <jmhodges> it works fine in the windows partition i have set up
[11:43] <ernie> hello all
[11:44] <TheCan> re
[11:44] <TheCan> damn..where can i get the ubuntu kernel source from?
[11:44] <Cualti> Hello, I am new to Ubuntu Linux and I was wondering if there is a command you can execute to strip down the system? I dont need everything Ubuntu has to offer
[11:44] <davmor2> hi guys a newbie here I would like to install NVIDIA's own drivers but how do I exit x and have a runlevel 3 so i can install them and is there any benefit
[11:44] <bob2> TheCan: from the ubuntu archive
[11:45] <bob2> apt-get install linux-source-2.6
[11:45] <bob2> Cualti: do a custom install
[11:45] <TheCan> but do i get then really <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[11:45] <bob2> davmor2: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:45] <bob2> switching to runlevel 3 does nothing, this is not redhat
[11:45] <Cualti> Ive already installed everything
[11:45] <bob2> TheCan: erm, yes?
[11:45] <bob2> Cualti: then uninstall stuff with apt./aptitude/dselect
[11:46] <TheCan> bob2, ok, thx!
[11:46] <Cualti> thanks
[11:46] <bob2> there's no simple way for aptitude to guess what you want to install
[11:47] <Zugwrack> Who in here is involved with Ubuntu development for Hoary?
[11:48] <moj0rising> would anyone here know why I get the message "failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root:...
[11:48] <bob2> lots of people
[11:48] <moj0rising> ...CHild terminated with 1 status"
[11:48] <moj0rising> when I try to run synaptic?
[11:48] <bob2> melazyboy: hint: when asking a question, provide detail so it's possibel to answer at all
[11:48] <ernie> hey -- newbeee here.....I installed Warty - it did not give me a chance to dual boot my Win disc
[11:48] <Zugwrack> bob2: I just wanted to report on Hoary for PPC since there aren't many running NewWorld Mac
[11:48] <bob2> for instance, say a) how you're running it, b) what you've done to your system lately, c) what version of ubuntu
[11:48] <bob2> ernie: it should have detected it
[11:49] <bob2> Zugwrack: there are lots of us running new world macs
[11:49] <ernie> bob2:  I know, but it didn't....so how do I get into Win on hd0,0??
[11:49] <Zugwrack> bob2: Well then why don't you reply when questions are asked...for example...regarding Warty
[11:49] <Zugwrack> I have an external Firewire drive that wouldn't load the partitions at boot time...
[11:49] <bob2> Zugwrack: sorry I don't read every single line ever said in this channel
[11:50] <bob2> I'm a terrible person
[11:50] <Zugwrack> bob2: I am not attempting to infer that you do...
[11:50] <ernie> don't take it so hard, bob2
[11:50] <bob2> ernie: you need to edit /boot/grub.lst or so, the format is pretty obvious from the other sections in there
[11:50] <davmor2> bob2 can you help me please i would like to know how to exit x and have a runlevel of 3 so I can install nvidia drivers
[11:50] <bob2> Zugwrack: 'Well then why don't you reply when questions are asked'
[11:51] <Cualti> you have to edit /etc/inittab
[11:51] <bob2> davmor2: 08:45:30           bob2 | davmor2: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:51] <Cualti> and set the runlevel to 3
[11:51] <bob2> Cualti: no you don't
[11:51] <ernie> ah ha -- I tried, but the "no root password" thingy kept stopping me
[11:51] <bob2> please don't give people horribly broken advice
[11:51] <bob2> davmor2: 08:45:37           bob2 | switching to runlevel 3 does nothing, this is not redhat
[11:51] <Zugwrack> Usually one expects some response when a channel question such as "Is anyone here running PPC" is asked...I do I have been here most of the day..and when I have good information based on my limited knowledge of *nix I do offer it..
[11:51] <bob2> Zugwrack: no, that's stupid
[11:52] <bob2> since having 20 people say "I run it on ppc!" would make everyone's screens scroll by 20 lines for no reason
[11:52] <davmor2> bob2 i did shutdown -H to get out of x and it said i had a runlevel of 1 and it need to be 3
[11:52] <bob2> you ask your question and then if someone knows, they will answer
[11:52] <daniels> (and then no-one knows why FireWire is broken in this particular case anyway)
[11:52] <bob2> davmor2: no, read the actual wiki page I told you about
[11:52] <bob2> you do not need to be in level 3
[11:52] <davmor2> bob2 but ta for the wiki info
[11:53] <TheCan> bob2, where does the package put the source?
[11:53] <bob2> TheCan: /usr/sbin/
[11:53] <amer_> where can i set my network card to use half-duplex instead of full-duplex in ubuntu?
[11:53] <bob2> er, /usr/src/
[11:53] <Zugwrack> bob2: My intention is not to be contentious with anyone...I have asked questions pertinent to PPC noting that is the case since this is a mixed group...sorry you feel that kind of question is stupid...
[11:53] <bob2> amer_: mii-tool might be able to do it
[11:53] <TheCan> i dont see it there :7
[11:53] <bob2> Zugwrack: it's highly annoying and wasteful, and 90% of the time quesionts are not arch-specific
[11:53] <bob2> TheCan: dpkg -L linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:54] <TheCan> bob2, ah i see
[11:54] <TheCan> it doesnt unpack the source
[11:55] <bob2> right
[11:55] <Zugwrack> bob2: Here is the question then... When using Warty and adding the appropriate entries to fstab...it woulb bomb out and say it could not mount special filesystem /dev/sdb9 for example... Why?
[11:55] <usual> is their a 2.6.9 kernel image in hoary? I see a few 2.6.9 packages but no image
[11:55] <bob2> Zugwrack: this is the sort of thing you can investigate.
[11:55] <burtie> hello, is the package ubuntu-desktop really needed?
[11:55] <bob2> Zugwrack: is /dev/sdb9 correct?  does a manual mount work?
[11:55] <amer_> bob2, how do i check if it works? ifconfig wont show what duplex im running
[11:56] <bob2> amer_: mii-tool.
[11:56] <bob2> burtie: it is needed if you want smooth upgrades in the future
[11:57] <bob2> usual: kernel-source is a Debian kernel, not a Ubuntu one
[11:57] <Zugwrack> bob2: Of course it did...I also noted that in the orignial post..it looked like to me that the /dev/sdb wasn't being intialized before the call was made to read fstab...this is just a guess since my experience with Linux in general is limited..
[11:58] <bob2> Zugwrack: another tip is to ask "how do I ...?" questions instead of long complicated stories about how things you've tried aren't working
[11:58] <burtie> how does it help upgrades, am new to this world
[11:58] <bob2> Zugwrack: for example, in this case, just having the firewire drive plugged in should have it get mounted by gnome-volume-manager automatically
[11:58] <bob2> burtie: by ensuring you get new ubuntu desktop-system packages in future
[11:58] <bob2> burtie: if you don't understand, just leave it installed
[11:59] <amer_> bob2, my internet seems  very slow, i get low ms to hosts i ping, but it takes forever to ping them


[00:01] <Ahmuck> i don't seem to have sound prefrences
[00:01] <Ahmuck>     2. Navigate there via the System menu: System -> Preferences -> Sound.
[00:01] <Ahmuck> via 8237
[00:02] <kanliot>  ya, sound prefs is ubuntu
[00:02] <kanliot> not on lubuntu
[00:02] <Ahmuck> k, so troubleshooting doesn't seem to work.
[00:07] <kanliot> what step are you on?
[00:12] <Ahmuck> OsoVerde:~$ grep "Codec:" /proc/asound/card*/codec*
[00:12] <Ahmuck> shows nothing
[00:12] <Ahmuck> i assume this means that the OS is not recognizing the sound card
[00:13] <kanliot> what page is that on?
[00:13] <Ahmuck> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/HDAGeneric
[00:13] <Ahmuck> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[00:15] <kanliot> can you do sudo aplay -l
[00:15] <kanliot> sudo aplay -l
[00:25] <W4sp> `Marshall: marshall__ Are you still there....?
[00:27] <marshall__> yes
[00:27] <W4sp> Hey, how's it going?
[00:28] <marshall__> just got back to the house.. had to get some food
[00:28] <W4sp> marshall__: lucky you. Let me know when you are ready as I figured out something that may help.
[00:28] <marshall__> i'm ready
[00:29] <W4sp> OK, first of all we need to get your font in TErminal big enough so that you can actually work with it. ;-)
[00:30] <marshall__> i can ssh into this box from another computer ;)
[00:30] <W4sp> I would recommend to open a terminal and type 'xterm -fa Mono -fs 16 or whatever suits you best.
[00:32] <marshall__> actually.. i think i have an idea
[00:32] <W4sp> Very good. Let's do it. SSH into the box and go to the home folder where you need to apply some changes.
[00:32] <W4sp> Shoot.
[00:32] <Ahmuck> i have forgotten my sudo password
[00:33] <W4sp> Do you want me to hack your root account? ;-)
[00:33] <W4sp> Sorry Ahmuck. I thought it was someone else talking to me.
[00:33] <kanliot> Ahmuck, do you use your passw to login?
[00:34] <Ahmuck> yes
[00:34] <Ahmuck> i suppose
[00:35] <kanliot> that should be you sudo pw
[00:35] <W4sp> marshall__: `Marshall Are you ready?
[00:36] <marshall__> not quite
[00:36] <marshall__> i'm on a roll i think
[00:36] <marshall__> :D
[00:36] <marshall__> what does that command do, btw?
[00:37] <W4sp> marshall__: It opens xterm from xterm with larger font so you can read it.
[00:38] <W4sp> marshall__: Is there a long way to open a terminal?
[00:38] <Ahmuck> k, not sure how to retrive password
[00:38] <Ahmuck> so, i hear low sound, barely, which means it is working somewhat.  is there a way to boost the power output
[00:39] <marshall__> a long way?
[00:41] <kanliot>  Ahmuck, you have a laptop?
[00:42] <W4sp> marshall__: OK, however. At some point you have a terminal. See if you have in ~/.config a directory lxsession. If it's not there create it. It lxsession create another directory LXDE. cp two files into it. cp /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart and desktop.conf to /home/<you>/.config/lxsession/LXDE
[00:43] <marshall__> O.o
[00:43] <marshall__> i'm a newbie..
[00:43] <marshall__> soo
[00:43] <Ahmuck> yes, i have a laptop
[00:44] <marshall__> i was talking to a guy from LXDE.. he has me on another mission with GTK Theme Switch
[00:44] <marshall__> any idea how to access that with lubuntu?
[00:45] <kanliot> Ahmuck, use alsamixer to turn up volume, also check if laptop has volume turned up, its usually the "fucntion" key with combination with some keys marked volume up/down
[00:45] <W4sp> marshall__: Then vi desktop.conf and change sGtk/FontName=Sans 16 or even higher should you need it.
[00:46] <kanliot> W4sp, is this just to change font in xchat?
[00:46] <Ahmuck> kanliot: this is a desktop
[00:46] <Ahmuck> i have the volume up on alsamixer all the way
[00:46] <kanliot> Ahmuck, there are several mixers
[00:46] <W4sp> marshall__: kanliot That's to change the font of menues in LXDE
[00:46] <kanliot> if both mixers are up, then i can'thelp
[00:47] <kanliot> did you check the font size in "look and feel"?
[00:47] <kanliot> "default font size"
[00:47] <W4sp> marshall__: kanliot It will effect everything, including menues and x-chat.
[00:47] <marshall__> W4sp, sorry... where is /config?
[00:48] <kanliot> well if he opens "look and feel" and it works, then that would be easier
[00:48] <W4sp> kanliot: Could you guide hime through please.
[00:49] <kanliot> use the start menu to find "custom look and feel" under perferences.
[00:49] <kanliot> change default font
[00:49] <kanliot> that's it
[00:50] <W4sp> Thanks kanliot
[00:51] <kanliot> :)
[00:54] <W4sp> !cookies | kanliot
[00:56] <marshall__> kanliot, i've tried that
[00:56] <Ahmuck> iirc i can reset password with a boot disk
[00:56] <Ahmuck> correct?
[00:56] <kanliot> Ahmuck, your sudo password is same as login password on ubuntu
[00:56] <kanliot> k?
[00:57] <Ahmuck> computer is autologging in
[00:57] <kanliot> marshall__, please install and run xchat-gnome
[00:57] <marshall__> it;s not an xchat issue
[00:57] <kanliot> ?
[00:58] <kanliot> Ahmuck, try this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[01:00] <marshall__> kanliot, what happened was.. i've been using LXDE.. i upgraded to a 32" monitor (for videos) since then.. when using LXDE _ALL_ my text is extremely small. sans web browsers (chrome/firefox)
[01:00] <kanliot> marshall__, did you reboot?
[01:01] <marshall__> so, we're talking my taskbar, my clock, my desktop, any programs (terminal, look and feel, xchat, etc) ... everything
[01:01] <marshall__> sigh.. :\
[01:07] <Ahmuck> kewl, ready now
[01:08] <Ahmuck> http://pastebin.com/G9nFKceB
[01:08] <Ahmuck> ther is the output for sudo aplay -l
[01:09] <kanliot> Ahmuck, you said audio is working, but very softly
[01:09] <kanliot> you need to mess around with alsamixer
[01:09] <kanliot> make sure audio is set to maximum
[01:10] <W4sp> marshall__: `Marshall OK, where are we now? Did you logout/login again?
[01:10] <Ahmuck> all settings are at 77\
[01:10] <marshall__> W4sp, why am i logging out and back in?
[01:11] <marshall__> i haven't made any changes
[01:11] <W4sp> marshall__: Because kanliot suggested you make the changes and reboot the system.  My question was it it worked.
[01:13] <marshall__> i havent made any changes, i was under the impression kanliot was advising to change font size with lxappearance
[01:13] <kanliot> after rebooting
[01:13] <kanliot> i've had similar problems with font size when running WINE
[01:13] <marshall__> i've rebooted many times
[01:13] <W4sp> marshall__: Did you apply the changes kanliot suggested?
[01:14] <marshall__> lxappearance only changes active menu windows it seems
[01:14] <marshall__> yes. no hel[p
[01:14] <marshall__> *help
[01:15] <W4sp> marshall__: OK, do you think you can SSH into the box or run xterm from the box in question and follow my suggestion to copy and change a few files. I can give you the exact commands but I need your feedback on what's going on.
[01:16] <marshall__> W4sp, yes. give me 5 min
[01:16] <marshall__> and thank you
[01:17] <W4sp> marshall__: OK, I will now log out again and get back to my LXDE as I use a different DE.
[01:17] <kanliot> marshall__, do you have an xorg.conf?  i'm thinking this: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/204669
[01:26] <W4sp> marshall__ I'm back.
[01:26] <marshall__> ok
[01:26] <marshall__> i'm ready
[01:26] <marshall__> let me check for xorg
[01:27] <W4sp> marshall__: What was the nick of the other person who assited you?
[01:27] <W4sp> marshall__: OK, gotcha. kanliot
[01:28] <marshall__> reading that now
[01:30] <marshall__> Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
[01:30] <marshall__> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[01:30] <marshall__>                   Device section "Default Device" must have a Driver line.
[01:30] <marshall__> Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'
[01:30] <marshall__> New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[01:30] <W4sp> !pastebin marshall__
[01:31] <W4sp> !flood marshall__
[01:31] <marshall__> oh yeah
[01:31] <W4sp> !flood | marshall__
[01:31] <W4sp> !pastebin | marshall__
[01:35] <marshall__> ok
[01:35] <marshall__> have to reboot
[01:36] <marshall__> brb!
[01:39] <`Marshall> almos up
[01:40] <`Marshall> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[01:40] <`Marshall> :D
[01:47] <`Marshall> whatever that was fixed it i believe
[01:48] <kanliot> what did you do?
[01:50] <`Marshall> cant find the link
[01:50] <`Marshall> do you still have it W4sp ?
[01:53] <`Marshall> thanks W4sp !
[02:01] <W4sp> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/204669
[02:01] <W4sp> But it came from kanliot. It was kanliot 's idea to fix it that way.
[02:04] <kanliot> :) one of the reasons i use ubuntu is to avoid configging xorg.conf
[02:07] <`Marshall> oh
[02:07] <`Marshall> thanks kanliot !
[03:01] <Ahmuck> how do i get version # of lubuntu
[03:14] <kanliot> 0.
[04:24] <Ahmuck> what is the default photo viewer for lubuntu
[04:25] <Ahmuck> ?
[04:25] <Unit193> gpicview.
[09:58] <leszek> hi
[10:06] <smile> hi leszek :)
[14:21] <n150p> hi all
[14:28] <n150p> is there a way to deselect some of the default packages while installing lubuntu from a livedisk?
[14:30] <smile> n150p: no, but you can try to use the minimal install if you like? or remove packages afterwards? :)
[14:31] <silverarrow> hi
[14:32] <silverarrow> does anyone know about printers with ink cartridges ?
[14:32] <n150p> smile, thank you.
[14:32] <smile> n150p: you are welcome
[14:32] <silverarrow> there should be a way to clean cartrige heads or something
[14:33] <smile> silverarrow: well printers are always difficult. Try and look for yourself on google.com - I always do that myself. Every model is different :(
[14:33] <silverarrow> yeah, in windows I do it from printer setup
[14:34] <silverarrow> I cannot find the equivalent function in lubuntu
[14:34] <smile> there is a printer function also :)
[14:34] <smile> in your menu
[14:34] <silverarrow> the printer works
[14:35] <smile> the administration submenu maybe? :)
[14:35] <silverarrow> I have added printer and it prints, but the cleaning function is missing I think
[14:46] <n150p> silverarrow, as far as i know you need an appropriate driver for such operations. chances are, there is none. you should write in with the support of the printer's manufacturer
[14:46] <silverarrow> darn
[14:47] <silverarrow> turned out to be rather cumbersome
[14:47] <n150p> yep. printing is easy, maintenance is not.
[14:47] <n150p> one can consider buying hardware from linux-friendly brands the next time ;)
[14:48] <silverarrow> true
[14:48] <silverarrow> this is a regular hp thing, deskjet something, rather old too,
[14:49] <silverarrow> However, after installing a new cartridge it works fine
[14:49] <silverarrow> the first page was a bit smudgy, second sharp and clean
[14:50] <n150p> congrats ;)
[14:50] <n150p> you solved the problem
[14:50] <silverarrow> I did :-) , or it sort of sorted it`s self out after test printing
[16:02] <veneco> hi... I have lubuntu on my laptop... but some programs slow down my laptop... and I want to install gnome desktop ( I don't want unity 3D)....
[16:02] <veneco> if I use  this instruction:  apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[16:02] <veneco> I get unity 3D or gnome session?
[16:03] <holstein> veneco: even gnome is diffrent now.. ubuntu is using unity, so that will get you unity
[16:03] <holstein> veneco: gnome 3 is quite unity like.. if you are looking for gnome2, you might consider XFCE... xubuntu-desktop
[16:04] <holstein> though, lubuntu (LXDE) is quite light and lean, and i doubt you will find a change increases the performance of any applications
[16:04] <holstein> i would start by having realistic expectations of the hardware...
[16:05] <veneco> holstein: When I run some programs... for example QT design..... my laptop changes very mucho... it's very slow....
[16:06] <veneco> I have a Intel Core 2 Duo, with 4 GB Ram and NVidia 256 MB
[16:06] <holstein> veneco: feel free and try gnome or whatever.. but i think you'll find that the performance is likely the same.. if its pulled in KDE libs, and using QT, i find QT just a bit "pokey" by comparison
[16:10] <veneco> holstein: I had Ubuntu 12.04, the laptop runs a little slow but Qt ran very good.... and now.... with ldxe desktop... My laptop runs very well but Qt isn't working
[16:11] <veneco> I think that I install gnome, is possible that Qt runs fine... isn't?
[16:11] <holstein> veneco: should have not effect.. you can try running from the command line and look for error messages
[16:12] <holstein> you can try XFC, or install gnome-shell if you want.. gnome3
[16:12] <holstein> XFCE*
[16:17] <veneco> holstein: I'm sorry for this question, but, gnome-shell IS NOT the GUI desktop by default on Ubuntu.... right?
[16:18] <bioterror> ha
[16:18] <bioterror> veneco, you want Mate desktop
[16:18] <bioterror> that's exactly what you're after
[16:18] <bioterror> I'm running SalixOS 13.37 with Mate on my sluggish laptop and it performs better than Lubuntu :P
[16:20] <veneco> bioterror: I want a gui-desktop based on gnome
[16:21] <bioterror> Mate = fork of Gnome 2
[16:21] <veneco> but I don't want unity
[16:21] <veneco> bioterror: thanks....
[16:21] <bioterror> unfortunately Ubuntu doesnt have mate version, yet. I think
[16:21] <veneco> jejejeje....
[16:22] <bioterror> https://picasaweb.google.com/112221415637723651000/Salix1337MATEScreenshots
[16:22] <holstein> veneco: ubuntu has unity.. ubuntu-desktop will install unity
[16:22] <bioterror> that's how it looks like
[16:22] <holstein> the default desktop in ubuntu 12.04 is unity
[16:22] <holstein> veneco: gnome2 is gone.. gnome3 is installable
[16:22] <bioterror> holstein, Gnome 2 is not gone
[16:22] <bioterror> Tue19:21 <bioterror> Mate = fork of Gnome 2
[16:23] <bioterror> there's also this "Cinnamon"?
[16:23] <holstein> bioterror: have you tried it?.. its not for me
[16:23] <bioterror> holstein, I'm using it all the time ;)
[16:24] <bioterror> do I have to take you a screenshot where I'm using it and showing terminal of our conversation?-)
[16:24] <holstein> bioterror: i believe you... i should try it again... i tried it 6 months ago? something like that.. not for me
[16:25] <bioterror> there has been some rapid development, I think
[16:25] <bioterror> but from all the Mate distros, I chose Salix becouse they are small group of innovative people with love to their project
[16:26] <holstein> ive read great things about salix... mostly about the team
[16:27] <bioterror> their installer is quite good ;)
[16:31] <veneco> bioterror, holstein: thanks for your help....
[16:31] <veneco> I installed xfce desktop...
[16:31] <holstein> all is good?
[16:32] <veneco> holstein: I don't know.... I'm going to use right now... I'll be back in few minutes....
[16:36] <veneco> Hi again
[16:36] <veneco> at this moment... I'm using xfce desktop...
[16:36] <veneco> it's very ugly... but Qt runs very well
[16:37] <veneco> I want to use Qt Designer
[16:37] <veneco> into lxde I can't use it
[16:37] <veneco> thansk again
[17:08] <silverarrow> hi
[17:08] <silverarrow> is anyone clever with cannon camera and image viewing in lubuntu?
[17:11] <silverarrow> when I plug in camera, file manager opens and detects the pictures as fpeg
[17:11] <silverarrow> they are all listed individually like square frames, but image is not showing
[17:11] <silverarrow> am I here?
[17:14] <Ahmuck> whois sliverarrow
[17:17] <taoseeker> better connections this time I hope
[17:18] <taoseeker> is anyone using image viewer and load pictures from camera to computer in lubuntu?
[17:18] <taoseeker> I have trouble with a cannon camera, when I plug in it filemanager detects it, and there is a list of pictures, frames, but no image
[17:19] <Ahmuck> correct.
[17:21] <taoseeker> Ahmuck, is that a common issue?
[17:26] <Ahmuck> its not really an issue.  i click on the photo and then am able to see the photo and cycle through them.  its the photo viewer your using i believe
[17:32] <Ahmuck> taoseeker: i am going to reboot for a upgrade
[17:33] <Ahmuck> were you able to figure it out.  i think your looking for thumbnail views of the photos and i don´t believe the file system folder does this
[17:33] <Ahmuck> but there are others here that might have better answers
[17:35] <bioterror> taoseeker, and you canon camera is DSLR or just something smaller?
[17:35] <bioterror> *your
[18:12] <silverarrow> is there a way to check how much space is left on hard drive?
[18:13] <wxl> silverarrow: df
[18:13] <silverarrow> thanks
[18:14] <silverarrow> I can`t remember the commands
[18:14] <silverarrow> I shall have to note them down on a board
[18:15] <silverarrow> 32%
[18:16] <wxl> or you can use the gui
[18:16] <wxl> the new one i guess is gnome-disks
[18:16] <wxl> old was palimpsest
[18:17] <silverarrow> I just noticed file manger shows how many  GB is left, down right corner
[18:18] <silverarrow> thanks
[18:27] <smile> bye :p
[18:33] <Ahmuck> heh, re-install to 12.x went well. what software has the pull down terminal.  gsomething?
[18:34] <bioterror> ?
[18:34] <bioterror> guake?
[18:35] <Ahmuck> yep, thx
[18:54] <Ahmuck> what package is ace games listeed as?
[18:55] <bioterror> you mean ace of penguins?
[18:57] <Ahmuck> sure
[19:00] <Unit193> ace-of-penguins
[19:00] <bioterror> dpkg -l penguins ;)
[22:15] <micheg> hi, i see mysql user in ligthdm login how i can configure ligthdm to not show some user
[22:33] <moveer-envigado> i can't play any videos in youtube
[23:36] <Medic> what is the difference between ubuntu and lubuntu?
[23:37] <Unit193> Default applications, config, userinterface (LXDE)
[23:37] <Unit193> !lubuntu
[23:37] <Medic> is it easy to transition from one to the other?
[23:38] <wxl> !easybutton
[23:38] <wxl> darn, no easy button
[23:38]  * wxl calls staples
[23:39] <micheg> i have trouble with external monitor
[23:39] <wxl> all seriousness aside Medic LXDE is kind of a no frills environment. there will be a couple things that aren't how you expect them. whether or not it's easy it's hard to say, but i like to think it's fairly simple.
[23:39] <wxl> it's nothing like having to do everything out of the command line
[23:39] <Unit193> !purelubuntu
[23:40] <wxl> but yes if you mean the actual physical process of converting an ubuntu system to a lubuntu system see above
[23:40] <Medic> ok, wasnt sure how "light" it really was. I like ubuntu but seems to be slowing down fo whatever reason as time goes by.
[23:40] <wxl> then you'll love lubuntu
[23:41] <Medic> I am going to assume that i will lose all data in the process correct?
[23:41] <wxl> if you just install the lubuntu metapackages, no
[23:41] <wxl> essentially if you do that and follow that purelxde link, all you're doing is installing and removing packages
[23:42] <wxl> if you want to wipe ubuntu completely off and start with a fresh lubuntu, that would involve losing data. unless you dual booted.
[23:43] <Medic> what packages are being removed? Gnome obviously but, what will i lose as far as stuff i may have use for...
[23:43] <wxl> essentially the packages remove anything that relates to kde, gnome, and xfce
[23:44] <wxl> the specifics of which depends on your own system
[23:44] <Medic> gnome is the interface that makes it look fancy correct? what are xfce and kde?
[23:44] <wxl> yep; more of the same
[23:46] <Medic> ok so nothing that would have anything to do with wireless or other hardware? just stuff that uses ram to make it look cool.
[23:47] <wxl> yep
[23:49] <Medic> ok that makes sense. I know I had to install some packages that I can't recall the name of at the moment to get certain things to work correctly on the laptop that is running ubuntu. I don't want to go through the hassle of doing it again if I don't have to.
[23:49] <Medic> I think one was for wireless
[23:51] <Medic> Thanks for the assistance, I will be checking out the website descibed above!
[23:52] <wxl> Medic: before you go, one more thing
[23:53] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall sort of describes the install you're doing
[23:53] <Medic> What's up? I have to wait for it to update to 11.04 before I can do anything anyways
[23:54] <Medic> Sweet! appreciate it...
[23:54] <wxl> in other words you want to install one or both of the metapackages lubuntu-core and lubuntu-desktop


[10:25] <Bean6754> Hi :)
[10:52] <bx758> hello all, it seems http://docs.xubuntu.org/ is down (503 Service Unavailable).
[10:53] <flocculant> bx758: yea, been down for a day or so - we've been in touch with canonical about that
[10:54] <bx758> ok thanks
[10:56] <bx758> I also have a personal question. Why xubuntu is not default DE for ubuntu? I think unity is too heavy
[10:56] <flocculant> well
[10:57] <flocculant> they want to use their unity thing - we prefer xfce, which is why xubuntu is :)
[11:01] <bx758> ok.thank you. have a nice day/night


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[23:22] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Are you where you can unsubscribe > "Spacecaptain<EMAIL_ADDRESS>: Hello, I'd like to unsubscribe from this newsletter".
[23:24] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, a little later I can just got home and a check was waiting in the mail I have to go deposit it real quick before they close
[23:24] <Bashing-om> ^^ :D is a no hurry kind of thing .


[00:13] <davecheney> great, now my ppc64 machines are offline
[01:09] <davecheney> thumper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11087681/
[01:09] <davecheney> what is this test trying to test ?
[01:09] <davecheney> what should be listening on port 19034
[01:20] <natefinch> katco: you still around?
[01:27] <natefinch> davecheney: I'd like your insight on a review comment.  I have a struct that implements an interface from the same package. The struct has no exported methods other than the ones on the interface, and no exported data fields.  I have a constructor function for the struct... I had made the struct non-exported and had the constructor just return the interface. I was given a review comment that returning an interface is an an
[01:27] <natefinch> tipattern, and to just have it return the concrete value.  I had made it return the interface to keep the package's API smaller.  What are your thoughts?
[01:28] <davecheney> natefinch: link to review ?
[01:28] <natefinch> davecheney: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1619/
[01:29]  * davecheney looks
[01:29] <natefinch> I converted cmd/jujud/agent/AgentConf from a struct to an interface to make it testable... I don't necessarily like making an interface just to make something testable, but it seemed like the most reasonable solution.
[01:33] <natefinch> davecheney: the relevant changes are from revision 1 to revision 2
[01:34] <davecheney> kk
[01:41] <thumper> davecheney: looking now
[01:42] <menn0> wallyworld, thumper: update on the CI blocker. I have a working fix that I've manually tested in a variety of bootstrap, upgrade and HA scenarios.
[01:42] <menn0> wallyworld, thumper: tests need updating though and that'll take a while
[01:42] <thumper> menn0: ETA?
[01:45] <menn0> thumper: no idea. anywhere from 30 to 90 mins?
[01:45] <thumper> menn0: ack
[01:46]  * natefinch thinks he has a different definition than menn0 has of what "no idea" means.
[01:46] <menn0> natefinch: :)
[01:47] <natefinch> :)
[01:55] <mwhudson> somewhere between a femtosecond and a millenium
[01:55] <natefinch> now that's more like it.
[01:59] <davecheney> thumper: any idea what is going on there ?
[01:59] <thumper> davecheney: sorry, there wasn't quite enough context
[02:00] <thumper> davecheney: which test?
[02:00] <thumper> davecheney: the proxy detection was probably part of the auto-proxy detection
[02:00] <thumper> but the error I'm guessing would be the test trying to get to cdimages
[02:00] <thumper> no?
[02:02] <natefinch> davecheney: any thoughts on that review?  No big deal if you don't have time, just wanted anything you had off the top of your head.
[02:31] <davecheney> thumper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11087681/
[02:31] <menn0> wallyworld, thumper: here's the blocker fix for 1.23. http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1654/
[02:32] <davecheney> what is this test looking for on port 19034 ?
[02:32] <wallyworld> looking
[02:34] <thumper> davecheney: likely to be the random port number assigned to either mongo or the api server
[02:37] <davecheney> not random
[02:37] <davecheney> happens over and over again
[02:37] <thumper> hmm..
[02:37] <davecheney> all the way through the test
[02:37] <davecheney> all the way through the test suite
[02:37] <thumper> /home/tim/go/src/github.com/juju/juju/testing/environ.go:
[02:37] <thumper>    52: 		"state-port":                19034,
[02:38] <davecheney> so the state server didn't start up ?
[02:38]  * thumper shrugs...
[02:38] <thumper> maybe
[02:38] <davecheney> righto
[02:38] <davecheney> thanks
[02:38] <thumper> davecheney: or...
[02:38] <davecheney> hang on
[02:38] <thumper> davecheney: the test isn't a mgo suite so no mongo started, but the code is expecting it to be started?
[02:39] <davecheney> if that port isn't random
[02:39] <davecheney> and two tests using that suite run at the same time ...
[02:39] <davecheney> they'll fight over the port
[02:39] <thumper> ack
[02:39] <davecheney> how the f did this ever work ?
[02:39] <thumper> I didn't think we ran things in parallel
[02:39] <davecheney> go test github.com/juju/juju/...
[02:40] <thumper> don't we compile in parallel, but run in serial?
[02:40] <davecheney> ^ will run n cores of tests concurrently
[02:40] <thumper> not sure that is how gocheck works
[02:40] <davecheney> gocheck is a test
[02:40] <wallyworld> menn0: lgtm, a question about var name
[02:40] <davecheney> but each packge is it's own test runner
[02:40] <davecheney> and up to n cores of them will be running at any time
[02:41] <thumper> davecheney: I thought that for most of the tests, we used random port assignment
[02:41] <thumper> davecheney: and the fixed numbers were only used for static checks
[02:41] <davecheney> indeed
[02:41] <thumper> but perhaps I'm wrong
[02:42] <davecheney> maybe this suite is only used by one provider
[02:42] <davecheney> the local provider tests
[02:42] <thumper> I have certainly run tests in parallel before
[02:42] <thumper> in multiple terminals
[02:42] <menn0> wallyworld: yeah, I might call it needReplicasetInit and change the sense. good call.
[02:42] <davecheney> if you pass multiple packages to go test
[02:42] <davecheney> they will be run in parallel
[02:46] <thumper> ah fark
[02:46] <thumper> adding lxd ppa brought in golang 1.3.3
[02:47] <thumper> my build .a files are now all fubared
[02:47]  * thumper goes to delete stuff
[02:48] <thumper> ...
[02:48] <thumper> why is rm -r pkg not working?
[02:50]  * thumper is going crazy
[02:51] <thumper> davecheney: sanity check plz
[02:54] <thumper> damn it
[02:54]  * thumper reboots
[03:12] <bradm> anyone about?  I'm seeing weird errors from a juju bootstrap
[03:12] <bradm> WARNING juju.replicaset replicaset.go:87 Initiate: fetching replication status failed: cannot get replica set status: can't get local.system.replset config from self or any seed (EMPTYCONFIG)
[03:13] <davecheney> natefinch: i read that review twice
[03:13] <davecheney> are you testing AgentConf ? or the thing that consumes AgentConf ?
[03:14] <natefinch> davecheney: the thing that consumes it
[03:14] <natefinch> davecheney: which is why I wanted to make it an interface so that I could mock out its behavior
[03:14] <davecheney> in that case, I agree
[03:14] <natefinch> that returning the interface is ok?
[03:14] <davecheney> although dogmatic, it seems like a good rule of thumb that functions should return concrete types and consume interfaces
[03:14] <natefinch> oh, ok
[03:15] <natefinch> I'm cool with that
[03:15] <davecheney> and consuming an interface gives you heaps of flexibilty to control the _outputs_ of that interface
[03:15] <davecheney> so i think this change is good
[03:16] <davecheney> but i am reminded of this quote
[03:16] <davecheney> Don’t be trapped by dogma – which is living with the results of other people’s thinking.
[03:28] <bradm> ah, LP#1412621 and LP#1441913 seems similar-ish.
[03:38] <_thumper_> davecheney: got a minute? I have an x509 cert question, and I found your name in the source :)
[03:43]  * thumper stabs x509 and asn.1 in the face
[03:44]  * thumper goes to make coffee
[03:44]  * thumper guesses davecheney is having lunch
[03:53] <menn0> wallyworld: trying to merge this CI blocker but so far i've had good ol' "bad record mac" and EC2 failures
[03:53] <wallyworld> ffs
[03:53] <thumper> :(
[03:53] <menn0> bad record MAC happens so often
[03:54] <wallyworld> fixed in 2.6, we need to get off 2.4
[03:55]  * thumper nods
[03:57] <wallyworld> thumper: menn0: we need to get onto 2.8+ to get rid of the noisy logs, but W only has 2.6 so there's a packaging process that has to be followed
[03:57]  * thumper grunts
[03:57] <davecheney> thumper: i'm just off for lunch
[03:58] <davecheney> what line ?
[03:58] <davecheney> this was probabl somethig about the ASN.1 decoding
[03:58] <thumper> wallyworld: we need some packaging monkey at our beck and call
[03:58] <wallyworld> yes we do
[03:58] <thumper> davecheney: I have a cert pool, and I get the subjects out
[03:58] <thumper> davecheney: I was wanting some meaningful decoding for the test
[03:59] <thumper> davecheney: but asn1.Unmarshall with a pkix.Name fails
[03:59] <thumper> when I assumed it would work
[03:59] <thumper> given that it is what is passed in to the cert
[03:59] <davecheney> what's the error
[03:59] <thumper> asn1.StructuralError{Msg:"tags don't match (16 vs {class:0 tag:17 length:13 isCompound:true}) {optional:false explicit:false application:false defaultValue:<nil> tag:<nil> stringType:0 set:false omitEmpty:false}  @2"}
[04:00] <davecheney> urgh, it's been 4 years since I left that comment turd
[04:00] <thumper> asn1 marshalling looks a bit ick
[04:00] <davecheney> yueah, there are lots of non obivious differences between a stirng
[04:00] <davecheney> a mature string (or seomthing)
[04:00] <thumper> looking at the raw bytes, it looks like it definitely has the Org and CN
[04:00] <davecheney> an empty string
[04:00] <davecheney> a raw string
[04:00] <davecheney> a set of raw bytes
[04:00] <davecheney> etc
[04:01] <davecheney> none of them map cleanly on to the string "tim"
[04:01] <davecheney> 16	SEQUENCE, SEQUENCE OF
[04:01] <davecheney> 17	SET, SET OF
[04:01] <davecheney> map vs [] i'd say
[04:01] <davecheney> whatever you're doing now
[04:01] <davecheney> do the opposite
[04:01] <thumper> davecheney: ugh... I'm using pxik.Name which uses []string for members
[04:02] <davecheney> nfi sorry
[04:02] <davecheney> it's been 4 years
[04:02] <davecheney> and I think I only fixed it enogh last time to decode some SNMP records
[04:03] <thumper> hmm... for the test, the CN would be fine
[04:03] <thumper> perhaps I should just define a struct that uses just that...
[04:05] <thumper> davecheney: don't stress, I'm just kinda gunna ignore it
[04:05] <thumper> and assume if the loading of the pool worked, a count of certs should be fine
[04:17] <menn0> wallyworld: while testing upgrades of HA envs (1.20 to 1.23 on EC2) I ran into a failure of the "migrate tools into environment storage" upgrade step
[04:17] <menn0> wallyworld: something about an invalid URL
[04:17] <wallyworld> oh joy
[04:17] <wallyworld> got an error message?
[04:18] <menn0> pgrade step "migrate tools into environment storage" failed: cannot find tools in provider storage: cannot read product data, invalid URL "https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/46494ee31f7046468790ca9b1ac37795/tools/streams/v1/com.ubuntu.juju:released:tools.json?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAI3NTF6NNI5343APQ%2F20150512%2Fus-west-2%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20150512T040240Z&X-Amz-Expires=604800&X-Amz-Signature=3
[04:18] <menn0> 131f68ef4919a36267d56a20490b4746208423247196fbac578dc637d370144&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host" not found
[04:22] <wallyworld> menn0: i *think* we have now switched to V4 auth for S3, perhaps there's an issue in that region or something
[04:23] <menn0> wallyworld: file a bug?
[04:23] <wallyworld> hmmm, i think i truncated to url, fixing that gave a sig mismatch which i think might be expected if i just cut and paste
[04:24] <wallyworld> but it could also be a real issue
[04:24] <wallyworld> did it happen all the time?
[04:24] <wallyworld> or just the once?
[04:25] <menn0> i've only tried this particular upgrade (1.20 to 1.23) once
[04:25] <wallyworld> aws does not always work all the time
[04:25] <wallyworld> CI needs to often retry
[04:26] <menn0> wallyworld: but there were a bunch of attempts to hit that URL and they all failed
[04:26] <wallyworld> sometimes though there are cloud outages
[04:26] <wallyworld> i can't see offhand where any juju bug would be
[04:26] <menn0> wallyworld: ok it could be that
[04:26] <wallyworld> the url looks correct
[04:27] <menn0> wallyworld: the upgrade retried 5 times and has now given up
[04:28] <wallyworld> not sure what to do - juju is asking S3 for a file and S3 says f*ck off
[04:30] <menn0> wallyworld: so we hit that URL something like 50 times over 10 minutes and it didn't work
[04:32] <wallyworld> hmmmm, NFi offhand
[04:35] <wallyworld> menn0: if i try the url without the auth stuff i get a weird redirect from aws. not sure if that's relevant but i've not seen that before
[04:36] <menn0> wallyworld: here's the full correct URL
[04:36] <menn0> https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/46494ee31f7046468790ca9b1ac37795/tools/streams/v1/com.ubuntu.juju:released:tools.json?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAI3NTF6NNI5343APQ%2F20150512%2Fus-west-2%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20150512T043517Z&X-Amz-Expires=604800&X-Amz-Signature=3754e068be3d7588022c5ed7d485fff4f3c2df1fd917ed12c29fa7bd9a430a12&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host
[04:36] <menn0> wallyworld: the error is about signing: The request signature we calculated does not match the signature you provided. Check your key and signing method.
[04:36] <wallyworld> yes, but i've seen that will url pastes before
[04:37] <menn0> wallyworld: ok right
[04:37] <wallyworld> it may be relevant here but i can't be sure off hand
[04:37] <menn0> wallyworld: i've just searched the logs and I see the same error there
[04:37] <wallyworld> i wonder if you specified an explicit region would it work
[04:37] <wallyworld> hmmm, maybe that region is having issues with V4
[04:41] <thumper> menn0: it merged \o/
[04:43] <menn0> thumper: thank $deity for that
[04:43] <thumper> menn0: I think $deity should be Odin
[04:43] <thumper> was always partial to Norse
[04:43] <menn0> thumper: that fits you so well
[04:46] <menn0> getting the 1.24 and master merges ready now
[04:49] <thumper> menn0: although perhaps it should be Loki as he was god of mischief, and that fits the intermittent nature better I think
[04:50] <menn0> thumper:  ha :)
[04:50] <mup> Bug #1454043 was opened: Machine.SetAddresses should not generate transactions for noop changes <stakeholder> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454043>
[04:57] <anastasiamac_> thumper: if we r voting, i'd say Odin
[04:58] <anastasiamac_> thumper: Odin's "special" warriors were berserkers
[05:23] <thumper> davecheney: remember this 10 minute go test timeout thing...
[05:23] <thumper> davecheney: are you sure that `go test -test.timeout=1200s ` doesn't increase that to 20 minutes?
[05:42] <menn0> wallyworld, thumper: the fix for the CI blocker is now merged into 1.23, 1.24 and master
[05:42] <wallyworld> huzah
[05:44] <menn0> wallyworld: CI hasn't run the functional-ha-backup-restore job with the new code yet
[05:44] <wallyworld> yeah, have to wait to unblock
[05:45] <menn0> wallyworld: i'll add a note to the ticket to make it clear when it can be unblocked
[05:46] <wallyworld> sounds good, ty
[05:48] <thumper> menn0: hoo ray
[05:52] <jam> axw: ping
[05:54] <mup> Bug #1454059 was opened: SetTools fills up transaction log <stakeholder> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454059>
[06:30] <jam> TheMue: ping
[07:53] <TheMue> morning
[07:53] <TheMue> jam: pong
[07:53] <jam> hi TheMue just looking for someone from the team. We found a bug in the instance poller and were wondering who did the Addresses consolidation.
[07:54] <jam> dimiter might be more knowledgeable if he's around today
[07:54] <TheMue> jam: yeah, but he's out until thursday
[07:55] <TheMue> jam: Address poller? hmm, could you tell me more about it?
[07:58] <jam> TheMue: basic bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1454043
[07:58] <mup> Bug #1454043: Machine.SetAddresses should not generate transactions for noop changes <stakeholder> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454043>
[07:58] <jam> TheMue: essentially the InstancePoller is doing a check
[07:58] <jam> If machine.Addresses() != cloud.Addresses() { machine.SetAddresses(cloud.Addresses))
[07:58] <jam> TheMue: however, machine.Addresses() merges "machine" addresses with "cloud" addresses
[07:59] <jam> thus once you have any machine addresses, the comparison *always* fails.
[07:59] <TheMue> iiirks
[07:59] <jam> TheMue: essentially SetAddress() && Addresses() gives you a different value
[07:59] <jam> which isn't a great API internally :)
[08:00] <TheMue> hmmm, will be hard to disagree ;)
[08:01] <voidspace> morning all
[08:02] <TheMue> voidspace: heya
[08:02]  * TheMue is taking a deeper look
[08:04] <mattyw> voidspace, morning
[08:05] <mattyw> voidspace, you did work on the networking stuff right?
[08:08] <voidspace> TheMue: o/
[08:08] <voidspace> mattyw: uhm... yes...
[08:08] <mattyw> voidspace, I've not really started looking at it - so be prepared for a totally daft question....
[08:09] <voidspace> mattyw: back in a minute, ask the question and I'll answer
[08:09] <mattyw> voidspace, is it possible to move a unit from one space to another?
[08:09] <voidspace> mattyw: oh
[08:09] <voidspace> mattyw: units aren't "in spaces"
[08:09] <voidspace> mattyw: units are on machines, machines are on networks / have interfaces - and those networks / interfaces have subnets that are in spaces
[08:10] <voidspace> mattyw: you specify the space constraints at *deploy time* (so we can pick a machine0
[08:10] <voidspace> mattyw: and then a unit endpoint can get an address on any subnet available to the machine
[08:10] <voidspace> mattyw: that is how it *will* work  I believe
[08:10] <voidspace> mattyw: not implemented yet
[08:11] <mattyw> voidspace, ok understood - so I can't use networking to cause partitions in a running service (for testing purposes)
[08:11] <voidspace> mattyw: but it's machines that are "in spaces", and we pick a machine for the unit based on the spaces you specify (for endpoint bindings) at deploy time
[08:11] <voidspace> mattyw: not dynamically no
[08:12] <mattyw> voidspace, understood
[08:15] <TheMue> mattyw: as I understand it you can install a charm with a different name in a different space, but not different units of one service
[08:15] <mattyw> TheMue, that makes a lot of sense
[08:32] <TheMue> jam: I like your solution, always had my troubles with the mixing of both address sets.
[08:45] <mup> Bug #1454143 was opened: Deployer failure upgrading to proposed 1.23.3 from 1.23.2 client <landscape> <juju-core:New> <juju-deployer:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454143>
[09:02] <dooferlad> voidspace: hangout
[09:02] <voidspace> dooferlad: omw
[11:12] <voidspace> TheMue: dooferlad: oh, forgot to mention in standup - but last night I spent a bit of time on my HP Microserver
[11:12] <TheMue> voidspace: and now, up and running?
[11:12] <voidspace> TheMue: dooferlad: got the ram and HD fitted. Unfortunately failed to get an OS installed as the flash drive I made from 15.04 was corrupt
[11:12] <voidspace> TheMue: dooferlad: I did find a python interface to the OneView HP RESTful API
[11:12] <voidspace> * ashipika has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[11:12] <voidspace> oops...
[11:13] <TheMue> hehe
[11:13] <voidspace> https://github.com/HewlettPackard/python-hpOneView
[11:13] <voidspace> Not clear if it supports the functionality we need - but a good place to start.
[11:13] <TheMue> voidspace: could you point me with an URL to the HW?
[11:14] <voidspace> TheMue: the doc by dooferlad has a link to the device on ebuyer (UK site of course)
[11:14] <voidspace> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jjw80acrwVMITCiAKI3UJ5FoZFuN9kuBcG0mtHRmMIA/edit
[11:14] <voidspace> it's the G1610T HP Proliant Microserver
[11:14] <TheMue> voidspace: thx
[11:14] <ashipika> ?
[11:16] <voidspace> ashipika: heh
[11:16] <voidspace> ashipika: I managed to get the wrong thing in my copy-paste buffer...
[11:16] <voidspace> ashipika: meant to post a link instead... sorry
[11:17] <ashipika> voidspace: np :)
[11:20] <dooferlad> voidspace, TheMue: The API spec is in that document. We only need a single endpoint: {"Action": "Reset", "ResetType": <foo>} where <foo> can be "On", "ForceOff". That is it.
[11:21] <dooferlad> As long as you can find the IP address that the management interface is listening on we are fine.
[11:22] <dooferlad> voidspace: you don't need to install an OS, you just need to get in the BIOS to set up network booting.
[11:35] <voidspace> dooferlad: sure, but I want to make sure it works and have something to play with :-)
[11:35] <voidspace> dooferlad: pretty sure it network boots by default
[11:35] <voidspace> dooferlad: it's definitely looking for pxe
[11:36] <wallyworld> TheMue: hey, did you see that 1.24 bug i assigned you? it appeared as if you were the last one to touch that code :-) looks like a simple fix. are you able to fix it?
[11:37] <TheMue> wallyworld: not yet seen, one moment
[11:37] <perrito666> morning
[11:37] <TheMue> wallyworld: #1437266?
[11:38] <TheMue> perrito666: heya
[11:38] <wallyworld> perrito666: morning, i haven't landed the 1.24 merge into master which will bring in the charm.v5 stuff you need because 1.24 was blocked; should be unblocked soon
[11:38] <perrito666> np
[11:43] <wallyworld> TheMue: yeah, that's the one
[11:44] <TheMue> wallyworld: ok, will do it
[11:44] <TheMue> ... now
[11:44] <wallyworld> \o/ ty
[11:52] <voidspace> wallyworld: as you're here, quick question
[11:53] <voidspace> wallyworld: when setting the instance ID on a newly provisioned machine I need to set the instance id on a bunch (potentially) of IP addresses as well
[11:53] <voidspace> wallyworld: state already has a method to fetch all the IP addresses associated with the machine
[11:53] <voidspace> wallyworld: after the successful transaction, ok to just call addr.SetInstanceId on them all
[11:54] <voidspace> wallyworld: or is it significantly preferred that I build this in as part of the transaction (by extending []txn.Op for setting the instance id on the instanceData record)
[11:54] <voidspace> ?
[11:54] <wallyworld> voidspace: give me a few minutes to check, i can't recall the code 100%
[11:55] <voidspace> wallyworld: well, it's mostly new code
[11:55] <voidspace> wallyworld: specifically I'm looking at state.Machine.SetProvisioned
[11:56] <voidspace> setting the instance id is a method call on machine, so it seems having a method to set the instance id on the addresses fits
[11:56] <voidspace> but it means a few extra DB calls instead of building it into a single transaction
[11:57] <wallyworld> voidspace: if the method is on state and hence talking to mongo directly, a few extra calls isn't so bad in general
[11:57] <wallyworld> we do that elsewhere
[11:57] <voidspace> wallyworld: well, it's on state.IPAddress which has a direct connection to state
[11:57] <voidspace> wallyworld: cool, thanks
[11:57] <voidspace> it's directly working with state entities, no extra layers
[11:58] <wallyworld> if depends if we expect all the data to be written at once for integrity
[11:58] <voidspace> hmmm... although these are cross collection anyway
[11:58] <voidspace> so the transaction doesn't guarantee that I don't think
[11:59] <voidspace> instanceDataC and ipaddressesC
[11:59] <voidspace> IIRC
[11:59] <wallyworld> yeah, cross collection txns i think can be an issue
[12:00] <wallyworld> is it an issue if the instance ids are not all set at once?
[12:01] <voidspace> wallyworld: nope. They're only used on machine destruction.
[12:02] <voidspace> wallyworld: so unless you can set the instance id on the machine and then destroy the machine (EnsureDead *and* Remove) before they're set
[12:02] <voidspace> which I'm pretty sure you can't...
[12:02] <wallyworld> voidspace: i think then it sounds ok to set individually via repeated direct calls to mgo from state
[12:02] <wallyworld> seing the final code would help
[12:04] <voidspace> wallyworld: cool, thanks
[12:05] <voidspace> wallyworld: I'll link you to the wip code to get a clearer idea.
[12:05] <wallyworld> sorry i was only vague
[12:06] <voidspace> hmmm... problem as always is what to do with the error
[12:06] <voidspace> if setting the id on an address fails *after* the transaction succeeds returning an error will make it look like setting the instance id failed
[12:07] <voidspace> maybe better to do it in the transaction so we get a single failure
[12:07] <voidspace> slightly more fiddly code which I was hoping to avoid
[12:12] <perrito666> davecheney: are you still around?
[12:13] <wallyworld> voidspace: another option is to rollback using a defer
[12:21] <voidspace> wallyworld: right, thanks
[12:39] <wallyworld> rogpeppe1: hiya, i have a question for you if  you are free at some point
[12:39] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: go ahead.
[12:40] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: i am fairly busy but will time-slice :)
[12:41] <wallyworld> rogpeppe1: so, there's a bug. deployer calls AllWatcher.Next(). this errors with an error that appears to come from an update() call at some point on one of the backing objects. 1. does this sound plausible that an error generated during an update() callback on megawatcher would appear when Next() is called?
[12:41] <wallyworld> 2. the error seems "impossible"
[12:42] <wallyworld> the error is due to a missing status record for a unit
[12:42] <wallyworld> but when units are created, they get a status record as part of the txn ops
[12:42] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: perhaps Next is returning the error from an underlying tomb?
[12:43] <wallyworld> could be i guess. i didn't realise the update() on the mulitwatcher set the tomb error
[12:43] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: if that tomb is killed with an error, all watchers will die with that error.
[12:43] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: i don't know either
[12:43] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: it's a random guess without looking at the code
[12:43] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: (which i haven't looked at in ages and ages)
[12:44] <wallyworld> ok, , i'll keep digging, ty
[12:44] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: np, good luck!
[12:44] <wallyworld> i'll need it :-)
[13:07] <wallyworld> sinzui: can we unblock 1.24? bug 1453805 seem sot have fixed the HA functional tests in CI
[13:09] <sinzui> wallyworld, Not until i understand all the failures.
[13:10] <wallyworld> sinzui: you talking about the maas 1.7 failure?
[13:11] <sinzui> wallyworld, I am talking about all maas failures and kvm failures
[13:11] <sinzui> no maas passed.
[13:11] <wallyworld> oh ok, i just saw the onw maas 1.7 one
[13:12] <sinzui> wallyworld, CI will unblock when the branch was blessed, so CI thinks wont unblock until QA proves Juju wasn't at fault for any of the failures
[13:13] <wallyworld> ok, i was hoping that as soon as the recorded blocking bug was seen to be fixed we could unblock
[13:14] <sinzui> wallyworld, yes, and CI recognises that as a blessed branch. CI doesn't care about a specific test. It cares about having a releasable branch
[13:16] <wallyworld> ok, so that means that even though the bug causing the original blockage is fixed, we still need to wait in case there are new bugs oto be raised
[13:22] <sinzui> katco, We need someone to look into bug 1454143. We may not be able to the finale release of 1.23.3
[14:04] <wwitzel3> katco: sorry, omw, was chatting with cory_fu and lost track of time
[14:04] <katco> dpb1: hey can you provide any guidance on bug 1454143
[14:05] <dpb1> #1454143
[14:05] <cory_fu> Don't go blaming me.  ;)
[14:05]  * dpb1 kicks mup
[14:05] <katco> <fake mup>: hi! here's bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1454143
[14:05]  * ericsnow worries that mup might not be well
[14:05] <dpb1> LOL
[14:06]  * perrito666 kicks his computer in anger because nothing works well today
[14:06] <dpb1> niemeyer has been pinged, he's probably looking at it
[14:15] <jcastro> mgz, still no luck on dreamcompute, I'm stuck, any help someone on your team could provide would be most welcome!
[14:18] <mgz> jcastro: okay, I'll try to have a go myself today
[14:18] <mgz> I saw you hadn't got a response to your mail
[14:18] <jcastro> heh
[14:19] <jcastro> Will we be testing on dreamcompute in the future for releases?
[14:19] <mgz> we haven't got a plan to at the moment, it seems reasonable though
[15:29] <sinzui> ericsnow, wallyworld 1.23 and 1.24. bug 1392407 was the involved in a system failure caused by a held lock
[15:30] <sinzui> ericsnow, wallyworld CI blessed and opened 1.24. I opened 1.23 because I think I accounted for every failure as a cloud or substrate issue
[15:30] <ericsnow> sinzui: cool, thanks!
[15:40] <lazyPower> o/  - Juju's amazon provider does not understand how to leverage the VPC correct? Thats still something we do manually, and then use the manual provider to consume?
[15:47] <alexisb> lazyPower, that is correct VPC support is still under development
[15:47] <lazyPower> alexisb: thanks, thast what I thought :)
[15:47] <lazyPower> just making sure i hadn't missed an update
[16:24] <natefinch> ericsnow: you around?
[16:24] <ericsnow> natefinch: otp
[16:24] <ericsnow> natefinch: what's up?
[16:27] <mgz> ocr: can I get a stamp on backport http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1660/
[17:26] <lazyPower> I'm running into a weird issue bootstrapping on AWS in a VPC w/ 1.24 and 1.23 - i've confirmed the issue affects both - https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1412621
[17:26] <mup> Bug #1412621: replica set EMPTYCONFIG MAAS bootstrap <bootstrap> <maas-provider> <mongodb> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1412621>
[17:26] <lazyPower> i attached here as it was the same issue - but the bug title seems to scope it to maas.
[17:29] <lazyPower> and I think i see whats happening, its inserted a host that is the NAT'd address as the replset configuration, and not the local address of the unit
[17:40] <lazyPower> updated the bug w/ the workaround/steps to fix the bootstrap issue - now the system appears stuck when issuing "juju status"
[17:41] <mup> Bug #1454359 was opened: Unexpected api shutdown followed by panic <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454359>
[17:42] <mgz> is there anyone around to do reviews atm?
[18:36] <katco> cherylj: perrito666: wwitzel3: have time for a hangout?
[18:37] <cherylj> katco: sure
[18:37] <katco> cherylj: perrito666: wwitzel3: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/moonstone?authuser=1
[18:37] <katco> getting some tea brt
[18:38] <mup> Bug #1453805 changed: Juju takes more than 20 minutes to enable voting <blocker> <ci> <ensure-availability> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <juju-core:Fix
[18:38] <mup> Released by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.23:Fix Released by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.24:Fix Released by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453805>
[18:40] <katco> cherylj: i'm in there now. is perrito666 out today?
[18:41] <cherylj> katco: can't seem to join.  keeps timing out :(
[18:41] <katco> cherylj: weird...
[18:50] <mup> Bug #1453805 was opened: Juju takes more than 20 minutes to enable voting <blocker> <ci> <ensure-availability> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <juju-core:Fix
[18:50] <mup> Released by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.23:Fix Released by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.24:Fix Released by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453805>
[18:53] <mup> Bug #1453805 changed: Juju takes more than 20 minutes to enable voting <blocker> <ci> <ensure-availability> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <juju-core:Fix
[18:53] <mup> Released by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.23:Fix Released by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.24:Fix Released by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453805>
[18:53] <alexisb> katco, can you have cmars join that
[18:53] <alexisb> katco, he mgiht have some volunteers available on his team as well
[18:54] <katco> alexisb: sure, cmars you're welcome to join
[18:56] <sinzui> mgz, katco can either of you take a moment to review http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1663/
[18:57] <mgz> sinzui: shipit
[18:57] <sinzui> thank you mgz
[19:26] <mgz> perrito666: I have three backport branches up, 1660, 1664, 1665, when you have a minute can you eyeball and stamp them?
[19:28] <katco> mgz: i haven't heard anything from him since this morning
[19:29] <katco> mgz: he mentioned nothing working well, so i wonder if his computer is on the blink
[19:29] <mgz> katco: hm, do I have to bug you then? have seen a dearth of other reviewers on this afternoon
[19:29] <katco> mgz: if i can find a spare moment... how big are the diffs?
[19:30] <mgz> small, nice sane ones (hardest bit is one dep change)
[19:48] <perrito666> Hey quick update I am working offline until tonight when I get the time to fix whatever the last update of vivid broke on my laptops network
[19:48] <perrito666> If you need me please reach me through email as the constant up and down of irc drives me crazy
[19:49] <mgz> perrito666: aha!
[19:49] <mgz> perrito666: how offline?
[19:49] <mgz> too offline to do reviews?
[19:49] <perrito666> Meh no matter how many times I type it, this phone keeps trying to correct irc as Orc
[19:49] <perrito666> Mgz nope shoot
[19:50] <mgz> perrito666: I have three backport bug fixes up, 1660, 1664, 1665
[19:50] <mgz> they should all be straightforward to stamp
[20:55] <perrito666> mgz: are you sure 1665 doesn' t break backup restore CI tests?
[21:12] <wallyworld> perrito666: i also need you to look at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1658/ if you have time
[21:13] <perrito666> ffs man do you ever sleep?
[21:17] <wallyworld> sometimes
[21:25] <katco> wallyworld: thumper: sorry i reversed the meeting invites
[21:25] <wallyworld> :-)
[21:27] <katco> isn't menn0 in NZ?
[21:27] <katco> how was he talking to me this morning?
[21:27] <menn0> katco: yes, I am in NZ
[21:28] <perrito666> katco: nobody in this team sleeps anymore
[21:28] <katco> menn0: what time was it for you when we talked yesterday (my this morning)?
[21:30] <wallyworld> katco: fyi i can't make the very next sky meeting as i have a conflict with another meeting
[21:30] <katco> wallyworld: no worries, but do need at least 1 lead to hand off to
[21:31]  * wallyworld looks at thumper
[21:31] <davecheney>  sinzui is arm64 tested as part of ci ?
[21:31] <thumper> standup
[21:31] <davecheney> sinzui: or to say it another way, some tests are being run on ppc64, are those also being run on arm64 ?
[21:31]  * thumper has calls for the next 1.5 hours
[21:31] <thumper> right now
[21:32] <perrito666> wallyworld: shipit
[21:33] <wallyworld> perrito666: tyvm :-)
[21:33] <katco> menn0: sorry for the meeting spam... my brain was playing tricks on me
[21:33] <menn0> katco: did we actually talk during your morning?
[21:33] <sinzui> davecheney, not in many months. and even then. not really. The machine we were given never had to power to run unit tests, are do a local deployment.
[21:33] <menn0> katco: I thought it was your evening
[21:33] <katco> menn0: i don't think so haha
[21:33] <katco> menn0: i think i was thinking of your yesterday morning
[21:34] <sinzui> davecheney, the slave is up and listed as dead by jenkins.
[21:34] <davecheney> sinzui: ah
[21:34] <menn0> katco: that make sense
[21:34] <davecheney> thanks for confirming
[21:57] <thumper> cmars: I'm going to have to skip out on our call again
[21:57] <thumper> cmars: have yet another clash
[21:57] <cmars> thumper, ok, i see how it is
[21:58] <cmars> thumper, :) np. we should catch up at some point though
[21:58] <thumper> cmars: yeah, sorry, but katco is more important
[21:58] <thumper> cmars: definitely
[21:58] <cmars> thumper, sky?
[21:58] <thumper> cmars: blue today, slight cloud
[21:58] <thumper> thanks for asking
[21:58] <cmars> thumper, rainy here all day
[21:59]  * thumper smirks to himself
[21:59] <thumper> oh man, so much rain yesterday
[21:59] <thumper> at least today I should get outside at some stage
[21:59] <thumper> get that vitamin D
[22:00] <katco> cmars: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/sky-handoff?authuser=1
[22:53] <wallyworld> ericsnow: ffs
[22:53] <wallyworld> provider/vsphere/ova_import_manager.go:166: arg resp.StatusCode for printf verb %s of wrong type: int
[22:53] <wallyworld> provider/vsphere/ova_import_manager.go:251: missing verb at end of format string in Debugf call
[22:53] <ericsnow> wallyworld: gah
[22:53] <wallyworld> go vet is sad
[22:53] <ericsnow> wallyworld: will fix
[22:53] <wallyworld> ty :-)
[22:53] <ericsnow> wallyworld: I could swear I fixed those (twice)
[22:54] <wallyworld> we've all been there :-)
[22:55] <ericsnow> wallyworld: hmm, I'm not seeing any problems with 1.24, nor with the branch that's merging right now
[22:56] <ericsnow> wallyworld: (rather, just merged :) )
[22:58] <voidspace> wwitzel3: ping
[23:46] <katco> ericsnow: make sure you're taking time off from work please


[01:22] <Guest9494> hum
[01:23] <Guest9494> oi
[02:00] <blackbelt_jones> https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/video-shows-gate-was-intact-when-cwe-couple-pointed-guns-at-protesters/63-14a1582a-9372-4494-b8ee-41d5d4d71b61
 Hi everyone! Any idea when the update process from Kubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 will be considered ready for prime time?
 Did not see a prompt yet.
[04:11] <guiverc> @linuxophil, when deemed most stable for all LTS users, (ie. not just kubuntu, but other flavors, servers etc), refer https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-1-lts-point-release-status-tracking/17604  (you'll note upgrades from 18.04 are still disabled .. working through a few upgrade blockers)
 @guiverc, great to know! thanks for the info. Other scenario. A friend has a Kubuntu 19.10 still running. Can I safely upgrade there or do the same blocks apply? P.S.: I know 19.10 is already out of support.
[04:19] <guiverc> my 2c is upgrade asap; upgrades from 19.10 to 20.04 should already have occurred as far as I recall. yeah eoan/focal was delayed somewhat too, but pushed ahead b/c of eoan's EOL status was approaching; I stopped watching eoan so I'm not current anymore
[05:23] <valorie> guiverc: !eol
[05:23] <valorie> oops
[05:23] <valorie> !eol
[05:24] <valorie> the above link might help with that 19.10 upgrade
[06:02] <Guest55066> Good morning
 I'm on Kubuntu 18.04. Recently, when I try to suspend, the screen gets locked but the suspend doesn't complete. How can I check what's wrong?
 @abhishekbatra, No idea, but very similar things happen to me. On suspend my Laptop just restarts cold instead of just waking up!
 Mine doesn't respond at all
 On Kubuntu 20
 Currently as I'm trying to restart, I see the error message "Failed deactivating swap /dev/zram2"
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[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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[17:43] <abilash> Hi, Tap-to-click and natural scrolling stops working suddenly, any fix?
 @abilash, Some laptop have a very intermittent bug on wake where the pointer moves but does not register clicks or gestures.  Usually closing the lid to force sleep, and reopening will "fix" it.  I have attempted a command line fix, but have yet to find such a command.
[21:15] <Copesito> Hi, I was wondering, can I run kubuntu?. I have a pretty sh*tty internet that goes at like 50kbps download, So before downloading Kubuntu ISO I wanted to know first hand if I will be able to run it, I have an old notebook with 2gb ram, an intel 2.3Ghz dual core cpu with the intel IGPU. that's all
 you know what CPU specifically=
 although on 2GB RAM I would personally rather run Lubuntu
[21:26] <tomreyn> thanks to the "pretty sh*tty internet", they're long gone
[21:27] <tomreyn> well, 3 minutes before you posted ;)
 oh
 sad
[23:23] <disillusion> hey I have to say, whoever configured the default sounds settings for vlc on kubuntu 20.04 did a great job. I like the base level.
[23:23] <disillusion> bass level
[23:23] <disillusion> 128k streams sound great
[23:25] <disillusion> I keep the volume in vlc at about 70% and use the system volume to adjust it.
[23:26] <disillusion> Every distro version and app seem to all have their own personality. Sometimes like line up just right. vlc and kubuntu 20 seem to be getting along really well.