[15:24] <powersj> Odd_Bloke, in this SRU we added the man pages https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1859725
[15:24] <powersj> however I don't see man pages when launching instances in lxc or multipass
[15:29] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: I don't think we ever made the packaging branch changes to include them; 796f58081766c51cdb36e770541d32f84f595371 added them to master's packaging.
[15:53] <powersj> ah right, I forgot about the debian dir change
[17:11] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: The minor fix I mentioned in stand-up: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/731
[17:12] <Odd_Bloke> Just to update folks: we have completed validation of the 20.4 SRU (the process by which it is released to stable Ubuntu releases), but given the proximity to the end of the year, we'll be holding off on actually releasing the update until the start of next year.
[18:23] <powersj> rharper, if you didn't see I ran those tests for the openstack timeout. On arm64 you can clearly see the timeout affect boot time on ec2
[20:26] <rharper> powersj: yeah, just saw that ... I didn;t look at the logs yet;   so you didn't see a delay on x86?  I would have expected both ...
[20:27] <rharper> ah, right, we know its *not* openstack on x86 so we don't query
[20:28] <rharper> powersj: so yeah, non-x86 is penalized since we *cant* know
[20:28] <rharper> ok, that makes sense;
[20:28] <powersj> rharper, and this behavior is only on xenial?
[20:28] <powersj> as in the release that goes end of standard support in 4 months?
[20:46] <rharper> powersj: so for arm64 on ec2; newer than xenial, ds-identify will positively identify ec2 and not put Openstack in the datasource list; so that code never will run; on Xenial, we still probe the whole list (even if ds-identify says it's just ec2) to retain existing behavior
[20:47] <rharper> s/arm64/non-x86 xenial
[20:47] <powersj> ok then, could we merge his code and keep a packaging change to revert it on xenial?
[20:57] <rharper> well, it's worth testing a focal arm64 with the change  to confirm;  I guess I'd also like to see about the retry without the extra long timeout ... it doesn't seem quite right to only try the metadata server just once
[21:23] <Odd_Bloke> PR to add more Python versions to CI: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/734
[21:31] <Odd_Bloke> In the course of ^, I discovered that we broke 3.4 (with a SyntaxError, so on import) with a commit in May, which was released in 20.3 (in August).  As we haven't heard any complaints about that, AFAIK, it seems to me like 3.4 support is not really being used.  I'm wondering if we can declare cloud-init 20.2 to be the last cloud-init release with 3.4 support, cut a stable-20.2 branch, and raise our
[21:31] <Odd_Bloke> minimum supported version to 3.5?
[21:31] <Odd_Bloke> What do folks think?
[21:32] <Odd_Bloke> (We won't make a decision until the new year, as plenty of folks are already out; just taking the temperature on the proposal. :)
[21:33] <ajmyyra> are there even any LTS-supported distros that use less than 3.5 by default anymore?
[21:34] <Odd_Bloke> There aren't Ubuntu LTS releases, no (xenial is 3.5); CentOS do still have a supported version that uses 3.4, but my understanding is that cloud-init isn't backported to that particular release.
[21:35] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: Thanks for the review!
[23:03] <powersj> Odd_Bloke, you need to check-in with SuSE re: 3.4
[23:05] <powersj> SuSE was why we kept 3.4 in for a bit longer. I was hoping this last summit we could have decided on a date for moving forward
[23:05] <powersj> as you said xenial is our only 3.5 and that is ending soon as well


[06:17] <Squirm> morning
[06:17] <Kilos> morning Squirm and all others
[06:43] <kbmonkey> morning
[06:43] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[06:43] <kbmonkey> just popping in to say hi
[06:43] <Kilos> ty
[06:44] <Kilos> have a great day
[06:44] <kbmonkey> it is my irc bday today lol
[06:44] <Kilos> how many years
[06:44] <Kilos> hb
[06:44] <kbmonkey> 3
[06:44] <Kilos> how you find when you joined
[06:45] <kbmonkey> you msg nickserv info
[06:45] <kbmonkey> msg nickserv info kilos
[06:46] <Kilos>  34 weeks, 3 days, before you
[06:46] <Kilos> im a bally
[06:46] <kbmonkey> your 4th is coming up in a few 18 weeks or so
[06:46] <kbmonkey> lol
[06:47] <Kilos> does irc tell you when it is or you gotta check yourself
[06:47] <kbmonkey> no I just checked myself
[06:47] <Kilos> ah
[06:47] <kbmonkey> this is not facebook :p
[06:47] <kbmonkey> kekeke
[06:47] <Kilos> eish thank heavens
[06:47] <kbmonkey> okay I must go, at work.. morning meetings soon.
[06:48] <Kilos> enjoy
[06:48] <kbmonkey> yeah, right :p
[06:48] <Kilos> hehe
[06:48] <Kilos> sorry
[06:48] <Kilos> kekeke
[06:48] <kbmonkey> I'd rather be changing my oil filter than sit in  a room with suits ;)
[06:48] <Kilos> lol
[06:48] <kbmonkey> at least the oil smells better!
[06:50] <kbmonkey> we will see if this auto away script works. so good day to you sir Kilos
[06:50] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey
[06:56] <magespawn> good morning all
[06:56] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[07:03] <Kilos-> oh my
[07:03] <Kilos-> hit a hange
[07:03] <Kilos-> hang
[07:06] <magespawn> happens to all sooner or later
[07:06] <magespawn> is the router and the dongle working together now?
[07:06] <Kilos-> nope
[07:07] <magespawn> bleeg
[07:07] <Kilos-> trying to get that working is a pain so i gave up
[07:08] <Kilos-> pity one cant install sakis3g on the router
[07:10] <magespawn> what router was it again?
[07:11] <Kilos-> billion 7300nx
[07:11] <Kilos-> i have the book
[07:12] <Kilos-> and looked many sites about sharing but they all wanna share to cell phone or 3g on the router not let the pc be the gateway
[07:13] <magespawn> i still the default gateway has to be set on the router so that it can let the reat of the network know
[07:13] <magespawn> ^think
[07:13] <magespawn> s/reat/rest
[07:13] <Kilos-> maybe later in week ill try again, not hot head day
[07:14] <magespawn> cool beans
[07:14] <magespawn> i'll chip in if i am around
[07:14] <Kilos-> ty magespawn hows things your side
[07:15] <magespawn> not bad, recovered from sinuses infection last week, bit cool but nice
[07:15] <Kilos-> ah
[07:18] <Kilos-> i go feed sheep
[07:34] <Kilos> oh my
[07:41] <Kilos> hi JoTraGo
[07:47] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:50] <Vince-0> haai
[08:12] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[08:12] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:19] <jac19> good morning people
[08:19] <Kilos> morning jac19
[08:20] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:29] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:29] <Kilos> hi trender
[08:29] <trender> yo
[08:41] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[08:41] <Kilos> im switching to kde
[08:41] <Xethron> hi Kilos
[09:57] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:01] <Kilos> using sudo fsck.ext4 -cDfty -C 0 /dev/sdb1
[10:01] <Kilos>  from maverick to check for bad blocks on unity drive
[10:13] <Kilos> sudo badblocks -v /dev/sdb1
[10:16] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-install.blogspot.com/2010/12/bad-blocks-on-harddisk.html
[10:22] <Kilos> Pass completed, 0 bad blocks found.
[10:22] <Kilos> so why does unity go super slow everytime i open a folder or file
[10:22] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:23] <Kilos> wbb
[10:39] <Kilos> looks like something fixed it
[10:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:50] <Kilos> magespawn, this might help server peeps Advanced Web Statistics (AWStats)  awstats in the repos
[10:53] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[10:53] <Kilos> yw
[17:08] <superfly> awstats is the nicest web stats software I've found
[17:08] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[17:08] <superfly> really pretty
[17:08] <theblazehen> hi superfly
[17:09] <superfly> (i think it's awstats I'm thinking of)
[17:09] <superfly> hi theblazehen
[17:09] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[17:09] <Kilos> thats good superfly  i found it by chance in synaptic
[17:11] <magespawn> evening all
[17:11] <Kilos> hi mage
[17:11] <Kilos> spawn too
[17:15] <Kilos> remastersys has its weaknesses as well
[17:16] <Kilos> after apt-get upgrades and aptitude upgrade i reinstall everything from synaptic and it downloaded another 80 megs about
[17:22] <magespawn> Kilos: you spend your time going through synaptic?
[17:22] <Kilos> all day
[17:22] <Kilos> just finished reinstalling everything
[17:23] <Kilos> also read some stuff i didnt have installed like awstats
[17:23] <Kilos> sounds like a good tool
[17:44] <magespawn> will be useful if you are running a website or web based software
[17:51] <Kilos> ah
[17:56]  * Kilos thinks an early night is in order after a hard day at the office
[17:56] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:34] <smile4ever> Good night! :)
[18:46] <kbmonkey> hello!
[19:23] <superfly> hi kbmonkey
[19:24] <kbmonkey> hello superfly
[19:26] <kbmonkey> man, I can barely open any web page tonight.
[19:27] <kbmonkey> I think I should quit trying and hit some Python XD
[19:31] <superfly> Python is always a good option ;-)
[19:34] <Squirm> yeah, my internet does seem a little down


[06:46] <Myrtti> just occurred to me that iirc ubuntulog_ is irssi. If the infra at canonical plan to upgrade it/them to newer version, I hope they've noticed the sasl auth has changed
[06:47] <Unit193> You sure it uses SASL?  And it is 0.8.15, so don't think you have to worry too much about upgrades.
[06:49] <Myrtti> well isn't latest lts with .15 still? so if they're doing full upgrade come June, I'd hope they'd get .1o
[06:49] <Myrtti> 19
[06:50] <Myrtti> and one certainly would hope they do use sasl
[06:50] <Myrtti> because that would be smart
[06:51] <Myrtti> June, or whenever lts's are recommended to be updated to the .1 release
[06:55] <Unit193> Mmm, forgot yes it is.  Thought 16 was in 14.04.
[07:30] <Myrtti> only reason I know it's not is because I've not kept my vm as lts for that particular reason
[07:31] <Unit193> Backporting a package is easy enough.  And could poke them in #canonical-sysadmin, not sure how far you'd get though.
[07:33] <Myrtti> Yeah, it's not that urgent yet. Just thought I'd say it out loud so I don't need to trust my memory on not forgetting this by breakfast
[13:21] <syko> hello
[13:22] <syko> ?


[23:02] <sarnold> hello, I'm curious why these entries aren't sorted by date: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+publishinghistory   -- eg 2020-08-01 entries are between 2020-07-29 and 2020-07-31


[01:46] <timClicks> I've just published a beta-quality plugin: juju-remove https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/new-plugin-juju-remove/2318
[01:46] <timClicks> hopefully this will prevent some papercuts
[01:53] <wallyworld> timClicks: curious, was that in response to user feedback?
[01:54] <wallyworld> hpidcock: for sometime today, a small 2.7 fix https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10863
[01:54] <hpidcock> happy to do it now, just got myself a coffee
[01:54] <timClicks> wallyworld: no, was definitely in the scratch own itch
[01:54] <timClicks> category
[01:55] <timClicks> I kept tripping over it getting annoyed with juju that there wasn't a single remove command
[01:56] <timClicks> I also wanted an excuse to play around with pylibjuju
[01:56] <wallyworld> one reason is that remove-machine and remove-relation both accept integers
[01:56] <wallyworld> so which one is intended when "2" is supplied
[01:57] <wallyworld> but yeah, a lot of times you know what you want to remove
[01:57] <timClicks> most of the time that's not a problem
[01:57] <wallyworld> except when it is :-)
[01:57] <timClicks> and when it is, the command asks
[01:57] <wallyworld> so if i type juju remove 4
[01:58] <wallyworld> how does it know relation 4 or machine 4
[01:58] <timClicks> right now, it'll treat it as a machine
[01:58] <timClicks> but there is some logic that I haven't committed to extract all named entities and try to find duplicates
[01:59] <wallyworld> might be worth adding 0/lxc/3 to the examples
[01:59] <timClicks> patch welcome
[01:59] <timClicks> there's a todo in the code
[01:59] <timClicks> i decided to pull back from implementing everything and seeing if people like it
[02:07] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: PTAL https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10864
[02:16] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: i think warnings are ok for list/show. explanation in the PR
[02:16] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: k but i disagree with ur other stmts ... do u have a min?
[02:17] <wallyworld> sure
[02:17] <anastasiamac> stdup?
[02:17] <wallyworld> ok
[02:34] <hpidcock> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10863 LGTM
[02:35] <wallyworld> looking
[02:35] <wallyworld> oh
[02:35] <wallyworld> thanks
[02:35] <hpidcock> yeah can you PR your own PR plz :P
[03:59] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: here's some cherry picks from develop into 2.7 rc2 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10865
[04:49] <hpidcock> wallyworld: no rush https://github.com/juju/version/pull/6 but need this for CAAS upgrade code (so we can match version-hash tag in dockerhub)
[04:50] <wallyworld> looking
[04:54] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld: this pr is for adding content interface consumer side to Juju, thanks! https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10857, also updated microk8s side.
[05:04] <wallyworld> kelvinliu_: gr8, looking, just need coffee real quick
[05:10] <wallyworld> kelvinliu_: do we need the install hook anymore? isn't having the connect-peers script sufficient?
[05:15] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld: just went to get some coffee. im not sure if the connect gets created automatically if microk8s was installed first, then Juju.
[05:15] <kelvinliu_> coz I tested by manually creating the connection
[05:17] <kelvinliu_> as we don't pull if the images are there, it might be ok even if the two hooks are all fired,
[05:18] <wallyworld> kelvinliu_: the way i thought the content interface worked is that it would always trigger regardless of install order. i do think the install hookis now redundant
[05:18] <wallyworld> can you do a quick test without the install hook to confirm?
[05:19] <kelvinliu_> not sure how to test this.
[05:19] <wallyworld> delete both. install in different orders. check the hook logs and the microk8s registry
[05:20] <kelvinliu_> snap connect juju:peers microk8s:juju-info
[05:20] <kelvinliu_> no, because we manually connect them
[05:21] <wallyworld> what is "we"
[05:21] <wallyworld> the connection should be done by the snapd infrastructure automatically
[05:21] <kelvinliu_> we -> tester
[05:21] <wallyworld> can we have a HO?
[05:21] <kelvinliu_> hangout?
[05:43] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld: no.. i have to rename the snap and rebuild them, coz the snap name has to be uniq. no namespace concept here.
[05:44] <wallyworld> yup, flat namespace
[06:06] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/approval-for-fwupd-classic-snap/5755/11
[06:07] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld: confined snap can't use plug/slots..
[06:08] <wallyworld> oh
[06:08] <kelvinliu_> snapstore complains   - confinement 'classic' not allowed with plugs/slots when i was trying to push the snap..
[06:09] <wallyworld> fark, ok. i'll email zygmund
[06:10] <kelvinliu_> good to catch this now or next release will be interrupted..
[06:10] <kelvinliu_> well, next edge push, probably not release.
[06:15] <wallyworld> yeah, i've emailed him so we'll see what he says
[06:16] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld: I will keep those two PRs  not merged for now
[06:17] <wallyworld> yup, ty
[06:21] <kelvinliu_> np
[06:50] <wallyworld> kelvinliu_: what exact error did you get from the store? can you paste me the command used and error message?
[06:53] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Tv4ZdqcgzZ/
[06:54] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld: here is the error return from snapstore
[06:56] <wallyworld> ty
[07:02] <kelvinliu_> np
[10:34] <stickupkid> achilleasa, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10862/commits/176c41e5f73709778f2802e4afefb89b0a41c1b0
[10:39] <achilleasa> stickupkid: nice!
[10:42] <stickupkid> achilleasa, review done
[10:46] <achilleasa> stickupkid: regarding the ec2 prefix, doesn't main.sh include all files? or does each test-suite run in a sub-shell and we can't have name clashes for functions?
[10:46] <stickupkid> achilleasa, it only includes files in "includes" everything else is included as required
[10:47] <stickupkid> achilleasa, i'd need to check
[10:47] <achilleasa> I wasn't 100% sure hence the prefix
[10:47] <stickupkid> achilleasa, it only includes "includes" and the test suite in question
[10:48] <stickupkid> achilleasa, if you run the whole suite it will cause conflict
[10:48] <stickupkid> achilleasa, nobody is going to run the whole test suite tbh, maybe we should block running the whole test suite
[10:49] <stickupkid> achilleasa, it would really take a LONG time, also I'm sure it would overwrite old functions with new ones, so should be fine
[10:49] <achilleasa> is it one CI job / suite the pattern we are currently going for?
[10:50] <stickupkid> achilleasa, one CI job per test suite
[10:50] <stickupkid> otherwise it would take way too long
[10:50] <stickupkid> esp. if we're going to try and have 100s
[10:51] <achilleasa> cool. just checking bec the spaces one relies on the presence of a floating nic for each test :D
[10:51] <stickupkid> achilleasa,  you will have to add a jenkins job though
[10:51] <stickupkid> achilleasa, i.e. new suite == jenkins job
[10:52] <achilleasa> stickupkid: yeap; I will leave that for next CI day ;-)
[11:06] <nammn_de> manadart: im currently looking into adding the "list-commits" command. Currently our mongo model does not have something similiar, right?  Like a inc. id number for each commit.  Following the doc I would add one, wdyt?
[11:06] <nammn_de> manadart: ohhh it could be that we have one `_id` : <longchars: <number:>
[11:08] <manadart> nammn_de: You want "GenerationId"
[11:08] <nammn_de> manadart: but afaict the generationid is not unique, right? It "only" tells me whether and how much it has been commited
[11:08] <nammn_de> the doc spec tells me somehing like: juju show-commit 3
[11:09] <nammn_de> is expected
[11:09] <manadart> nammn_de: It is unique, monotonically increasing.
[11:11] <nammn_de> manadart: maybe we are talking about something different. Thats my output from mongo https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/s44W68zccy/
[11:12] <manadart> nammn_de: It will be 0 for any branches that are in flight, or that were aborted. It starts at 1.
[11:12] <nammn_de> manadart: time for a quick ho just to make sure?
[11:13] <manadart> nammn_de: In daily.
[13:17] <hml> stickupkid: related to pr 10862, are we going to require if you  use -l that the controller is the active one?
[13:26] <stickupkid> hml, can you show me the output of juju show-controller --format=json
[13:27] <hml> stickupkid: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/QvZBNZwyqs/
[13:30] <stickupkid> hml, we don't offically support localmaas, or anything but lxd and aws
[13:30] <hml> stickupkid: right, but i’m not trying to use that controller for the tests
[13:31] <stickupkid> the show-controller thinks you are
[13:31] <stickupkid>  juju show-controller <local-controller> --format=json
[13:31] <hml> stickupkid: but i used the -l flag in the cli cmd
[13:32] <stickupkid> can you pastebin that with the local-controller name?
[13:32] <hml> stickupkid: it’s in the first pastbin
[13:32] <hml> pastebin
[13:32] <stickupkid> ah - damn it "localhost"
[13:32] <stickupkid> :(
[13:46] <stickupkid> hml, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10862/commits/6e63b5b60dd08fd94294261967c58939d12107be
[13:56] <hml> stickupkid: will look after the mtg
[13:56] <stickupkid> hml, ta
[14:34] <rick_h> stickupkid:  did that 2.7 edge building work out?
[14:35] <stickupkid> rick_h, it would seem so https://launchpad.net/~juju-qa-bot/+snap/2.7-edge
[14:35] <rick_h> stickupkid:  cool yea looking at the builds. I thought manadart backported this morning but maybe it's not hit yet
[14:36] <stickupkid> rick_h, let me have a look
[14:36] <rick_h> stickupkid:  all good, it  hit an hour ago but these build every 4 I think?
[14:36] <stickupkid> yeah it is
[14:36] <rick_h> stickupkid:  cool cool, just making sure since we're landing stuff like crazy on there :)
[14:45] <stickupkid> manadart, quick CR for a backport https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10869
[14:48] <manadart> stickupkid: Yep.
[14:48] <stickupkid> good man
[14:54] <manadart> stickupkid: Ticked like an old cattle dog.
[14:57] <stickupkid> what's up with the windows unit tests
[14:58] <stickupkid> i think we're smashing the windows box to obilvian
[16:00] <manadart> hml: Minor mechanical one: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10870
[16:40] <hml> manadart:  trade you: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10872  it’s a draft until i get a full set of unit tests run.
[16:40] <hml> manadart: was otp
[16:47] <hml> achilleasa: do you have a few to qa and review ^^ also
[16:50] <achilleasa> hml: sure
[16:52] <stickupkid> rick_h, i'm making a model migration as my first step... I'll add that to trello
[16:54] <rick_h> stickupkid:  sounds like a party
[16:55] <stickupkid> rick_h, it should help me prevent it from breaking whilst i make changes :D
[16:55] <rick_h> stickupkid:  hah sounds good
[17:26] <hml> achilleasa: manadart: looking to see if i can untangle some of the interfaces/mocks/shims between the containerizer and apiserver/provisioner with this.
[17:42] <stickupkid> achilleasa, let isn't available in most shell environments :(
[17:42] <stickupkid> achilleasa, i've updated it to be compatible
[17:43] <achilleasa> stickupkid: really? I have been using let like forever :D... maybe we should just use bash everywhere
[17:43] <stickupkid> achilleasa, i'm adverse to it atm
[17:43] <stickupkid> achilleasa, Constraints Liberate, Liberties Constrain
[17:44] <achilleasa> one shell to rule them all? :
[17:44] <achilleasa> :D
[17:49] <pmatulis> is "workload status" a thing in the juju universe? if so, what does it mean?
[18:05] <stickupkid> anyone want to CR an integration test around model migrations https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10873
[18:05] <stickupkid> ?
[18:06] <stickupkid> i'm still impressed that we can bootstrap 2 controllers, deploy two charms and run a model migration, with a ton of introspection in under 5 minutes
[18:08] <hml> stickupkid: if i get a chance i’ll take a look, have a queue of reviews going :-)
[20:18] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h: Do you know when --series=focal will be available in juju?
[20:24] <N3tw0rK> what can I do if I have a host stuck in waiting/allocating, the node is booted and waiting so im assuming the agent wasnt installed. Is there a way to force the agent to retry?
[20:38] <rick_h> tvansteenburgh:  mid-cycle
[20:39] <rick_h> tvansteenburgh:  we've agreed to track the next series and have it available by mid-cycle
[20:39] <rick_h> N3tw0rK:  hmmm, you can retry-provisioning but might have to check the cloud-init logs to see what wasn't happy
[20:39] <tvansteenburgh> thanks rick_h
[20:57] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld: a tiny intermittent test failure fix, would be great to take a look when u got time, thanks ! https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10866
[23:46] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: this PR backports the doc link fixes to 2.7 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10875
[23:46] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: k
[23:51] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: i didn't want to solve the world for the 2.7 PR as we are past time to finalise that branch; just a straight backport so that we don't ship with stale urls at least. and we can solve it properly or differently in 2.8
[23:51] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: yep, hence +!
[23:52] <anastasiamac> +1 even :D
[23:52] <wallyworld> ! works for me
[23:52] <anastasiamac> :)


[00:00] <zub> by this point I have to say I don't care about being able to go to #ubuntu, though I do wonder why have I got the ban
[00:00] <LjL> zub: the issue is that you appears to have been caught by a ban on some possibly malicious people/bots.
[00:00] <zub> ok, finally some info
[00:00] <zub> after two days of kefkesque replies
[00:00] <LjL> zub: i assume you're very sure you don't have anything to do with them bots?
[00:01] <zub> I am sure and I want to know why and why banned me...
[00:01] <LjL> zub: it's your ident. may i ask what it is? it seems relatively unique.
[00:01] <mneptok> zub: they did not ban *you*. they banned abusive clients and your ident/mask is caught in that net.
[00:01] <zub> from what I know I got the ban on may 15th, and last time I was in #ubuntu was on may 10th
[00:02] <zub> mneptok: aah
[00:02] <zub> I thought the "ident" means me = my registered nick, though obviously I don't know freenode
[00:02] <zub> funny thing is that up to now nobody told me
[00:02] <LjL> zub: nope, your ident appears to be "U2FsdGVkX1"
[00:02] <mneptok> zub: change ident and the problem will resolve itself. however, if it turns out later that you ARE one of the abusive clients (and i'm not saying you are) we will probably escalate the issue to Freenode.
[00:03] <LjL> zub: are you connecting from some sort of institution perhaps?
[00:03] <mneptok> zub: in other words, "tread lightly once that ident is changed"
[00:03] <zub> LjL: yes - http://www-en.fjfi.cvut.cz/DesktopDefault.aspx?ModuleId=1379
[00:04] <LjL> zub: then i assume you can't change that ident. hmm
[00:04] <mneptok> LjL: a previous abusive client with that ident was from chello.nl, so i doubt it's institutional.
[00:04] <zub> well, now I'm finally getting some info, which is good
[00:04] <zub> as for the particular ban - I don't care, it can stay in place
[00:04] <zub> it just that I had the feeling I was banned personally and that made me moderately angry and curious...
[00:05] <mneptok> zub: it wasn't you. but i can ban you personally if you'd like justification for you indignation. ;)
[00:05] <LjL> zub: until we can discuss the issue with the operator who set the ban, if you want, we can set a temporary exemption for you from the ban. but it will have to be reset every time you join. just ask here. would you like one now?
[00:05] <zub> hm, so, before I leave you... could anybody pls. explain this ident thing on freenode?
[00:06] <LjL> zub: type /whois zub
[00:06] <LjL> it will show that [01:06:10] [Whois] zub is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(David)
[00:06] <mneptok> zub: it's not just Freenode. it's part of the IRC RFC.
[00:06] <zub> well, the idents here seem different than what I'm used to
[00:06] <LjL> zub<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is called your "hostmask", and in particular the "U2FsdGVkX1" part is called your ident
[00:06] <mneptok> ident daemons on Unix servers usually use UNAME for ident
[00:07] <zub> well, normally I see ^username or ~username here, not U2FsdGVkX1
[00:07] <LjL> zub: your ident can be set in two ways. either from your client, or from an "identd" daemon running on your machine. in this case, it's the latter - and that means you can't change it yourself, the sysadmin has to
[00:07] <zub> (on ircnet for example)
[00:07] <LjL> zub: well i don't know why that is, but maybe your sysadmin treats freenode specially for some reason unknown to me
[00:08] <zub> ah, I see you have a reasonable ident - so I wonder how come I have this
[00:08] <zub> anyway - I giess that's all I needed to no
[00:08] <LjL> i have no idea
[00:08] <LjL> all i know from the web is this: The first several characters – U2FsdGVkX1/ – are the base64 encoding of “salted__”.
[00:08] <mneptok> zub: also, if your sysadmin uses the same ident string for *every* user, that's an extremely poor idea.
[00:08] <LjL> so this is not a random ident
[00:08] <LjL> but i have no clue why you would have it
[00:08] <zub> mneptok: by "user" I mean $USER = zub
[00:08] <LjL> zub: that's usually what the ident is set to, indeed, the user name on the machine
[00:09] <zub> ok, I'll look into why does it eng up with such ugly string
[00:09] <mneptok> zub: it is possible to tell an ident daemon to return the same ident string for every user. this is a terrible idea. ensure your sysadmin is not doing this, or is struck with a cluebat.
[00:09] <zub> anyway now I know all I needed (apart from why I ahev such ugly ident, which is for me to investigate)
[00:10] <LjL> zub: i'm sorry for the delay in letting you know, but we were a bit puzzled as well.
[00:10] <zub> I got the assumption (wrong one) that freenode just reinterprets the ident somehow
[00:10] <zub> I wodner why, though... I do not wish to pry into your secrets :-P
[00:10] <zub> but it felt kafquesque...
[00:11] <zub> anyway, so I consider this resolved... I don't need any exception and I don't care if the ban stays in place
[00:11] <zub> thanks and bye
[00:11] <LjL> zub: well just pop back here if you do need one later
[00:11] <mneptok> zub: well, i can /kick you, and prove there is an exit. with Kafka, there is *never* an exit. ;)
[00:12] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops zub Please provide an exempt for zub from #ubuntu-ops-monitor when they request one. They're seemingly caught by an ident ban on a bunch of bots.
[00:12] <mneptok> LjL: my wife just discovered the existence of Nutellerias. if there is one near you, we may need to borrow your sofa.
[00:14] <IdleOne> I remember as a kid my grand mother refusing to by any "threats" of any kind but nutella was like buying pasta. we ALWAYS had some in the house
[00:15] <IdleOne> treats*
[00:15] <IdleOne> heh
[00:15] <LjL> we don't have nutellerias :(
[00:15] <IdleOne> she wouldn't buy threats either though
[00:15] <IdleOne> dinner...
[00:16] <mneptok> LjL: apparently there is one in Bologna
[00:16] <popey> i had to google, but also guessed a nutellerias is basically a shop that sells nutella?
[00:17] <mneptok> popey: quite so.
[00:17] <popey> golly
[00:23] <bazhang> uhgtt same one as this ooohwhateverblah
[00:40] <bazhang> hes making no sense
[02:20] <Corey> Time to add a !zune factoid?
[02:20] <Corey> aka "It don't work."
[02:56] <mneptok> "Consult your OEMs published system requirements."
[03:08] <Corey> mneptok: Indeed.
[07:25] <Jordan_U> Anyone mind dealing with bronaugh in #ubuntu-offtopic? (see initial problem in #ubuntu).
[07:37] <Corey> Sure.
[08:28] <ikonia> hello Canis
[08:28] <Canis> Hello
[08:28] <ikonia> how can we help you today ?
[08:28] <Canis> Oh no, I just clicked a link here
[08:29] <Canis> I forgot to exit
[08:29] <Canis> Good day/night
[08:29] <ikonia> ha
[08:29] <ikonia> no problem
[13:35] <bazhang> shockrates = Goliath
[13:36] <Pici> Is he banned?
[13:36] <Pici> I was thinking about removing the bot bug stuff from !bugs
[13:37] <bazhang> not by his cloak, if so
[13:37] <tsimpson> Pici: I think that's probably a good idea and moving that to another factoid
[13:37] <Pici> tsimpson: great, I'll make the change then.
[13:38] <Pici> I'll leave it in !botbugs when I'm done.
[13:38] <tsimpson> great :)
[13:39] <Pici> !botbugs
[13:39] <Pici> !bugs
[13:44] <tsimpson> hopefully I'll get no more ubuntu bugs reported against ubuntu-bots, though that did reduce after ubuntu made it "harder" to use the +reportbug page
[13:44] <Pici> It never really did belong in the !bugs factoid anyway, and the folks more-likely to log a bug against the bot probably know how to do so anyway.
[14:36] <genii-around> Heh, I thought jpds was kidding about international caps lock day, but apparently it really is!
[14:38] <Pici> great.
[14:39] <LjL> GREAT!
[14:40] <jpds> genii-around: WOULD I LIE TO YOU!??!
[14:40] <jpds> Oh, wait... don't answer that.
[14:40] <genii-around> jpds: Hmmm
[14:40] <genii-around> Well, at least caps lock day isn't falling on speak like a pirate day....
[14:45] <jpds> Why do people insist on using unsupport releases.
[14:58] <Pici> le sigh
[15:27] <gord> those people are great :P
[15:27] <gord> bug reports \o/
[17:35] <Pici> PythonSnake: Can we help you?
[17:36] <PythonSnake> No thanks ;D
[17:36] <Pici> PythonSnake: If you have nothing to discuss, then we ask that you depart the channel.
[17:36] <Pici> See /topic
[17:37] <PythonSnake> I was chatting with ubottu
[17:37] <PythonSnake> and entered "anything that is here"
[17:37] <ikonia> I'm getting tired of this
[17:37] <PythonSnake> he answered Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops. Thank you for your attention to detail
[17:38] <PythonSnake> is that a bug ?
[17:38] <Pici> PythonSnake: No, ubottu thought that you were making a factoid edit.
[17:38] <Pici> [something] *is* [something else]
[17:38] <PythonSnake> oh
[17:38] <PythonSnake> sorry
[17:38] <PythonSnake> :)
[17:40] <Pici> !usage > PythonSnake
[18:01] <ikonia> @mark
[18:01] <ikonia> oops
[18:02] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu Puuks was given the answer in the channel to his question, was given the answer in pm to his question after he hassled me directly, then asked again in the channel despite others also telling him the info
[18:03] <Pici> Why not put that on the banforward comment?
[18:04] <ikonia> Pici: I shall
[18:31] <IdleOne> !bot > anonboo
[18:52] <Corey> I probably should have asked here first, but is www.askmebetter.com considered appropriate?
[18:54] <oCean> it's somewhat similar to !details, so I don't see why it would not be appropriate
[18:54] <Corey> !details
[18:54] <Corey> Gotcha.
[18:54] <Corey> I didn't know that was there.
[18:54] <Corey> Thanks!
[18:54] <Pici> nooww you knooowww
[19:41] <shockrates> hey
[19:41] <Pici> Hello
[19:41] <Pici> How can we help you today?
[19:42] <shockrates> can someone please add those 2 deb packages in ubuntu repository? http://pcsxr.codeplex.com/releases/view/50048 Thanks
[19:43] <Pici> shockrates: you should have received information from ubottu on how to go about requesting those be added/
[19:43] <shockrates> Pici: i read it
[19:43] <shockrates> its already packaged
[19:43] <shockrates> someone just should add it. (if i was in archlinux i would have addeded myself)
[19:43] <Pici> shockrates: Okay, and that lead you to this channel how?
[19:43] <maco> shockrates: did you put the source packages on REVU?
[19:44] <maco> shockrates: if so, #ubuntu-motu is the place to go to get the package reviewed and sponsored. if not, go do that
[19:46] <Pici> shockrates: could you answer our questions?
[19:52] <Pici> I need a break from IRC for a few hours. I'm getting edgy.
[20:05] <jussi> Pici: you are an awesome source of info today :)
[20:09] <LjL> s/today//
[20:09] <Pici> Thanks :)
[20:24] <LjL-Yaaic> i am without electricity, no idea when itll come back
[20:24] <oCean> aye
[20:25] <Pici> is your AC tripping your circuit breakers?
[20:29] <jussi> Congratulations to genii-around on being the first IRC member approved by the IRCC :=)
[20:29] <Tm_T> uh, we had a meeting?
[20:29] <genii-around> Coffee for all!
[20:29] <Pici> genii-around: congrats :)
[20:30]  * oCean grabs his mug
[20:30] <Tm_T> genii-around: congratulations and welcome aboard
[20:30] <Corey> Yay!
[20:32] <genii-around> Thanks people
[20:32] <jussi> Tm_T: on sunday, yes
[20:32] <jussi> Tm_T: I expect you were juhannus'ing
[20:32] <Tm_T> jussi: you forget I don't do any of those (:
[20:33] <Tm_T> just like I don't do birthdays or any other holidays
[20:33] <jussi> genii-around: I expect you want a cloak?
[20:33] <genii-around> jussi: Yes please. Do I go ask now in #freenode ?
[20:33] <jussi> no
[20:34] <jussi> Corey: can has cloak for genii-around?
[20:34] <jussi> or nhandler?
[20:34] <tsimpson> or niko
[20:34] <genii-around> Work :( Back in 5-10
[20:35] <niko> hi
[20:35] <niko> ubuntu/member cloak ?
[20:35] <tsimpson> please :)
[20:35] <Pici> o.O
[20:36] <Tm_T> gnii-around?
[20:36] <oCean> gnii !
[20:36] <jussi> niko: ?
[20:36] <jussi> lol
[20:36] <oCean> gniihihihi
[20:36] <Pici> the account name is genii too
[20:36] <niko> lol, sorry
[20:36]  * Tm_T huggles all with all warmness they can
[20:37] <niko> stupid alias
[20:37] <nhandler> Fixed
[20:37] <jussi> 3 different cloaks! :D
[20:37] <Corey> Doh,niko beat me to it.
[20:38] <jussi> haha
[20:38] <genii-around> Cool.
[20:38] <niko> genii-around: you should record that :)
[20:54] <oCean> hi edbian
[20:54] <edbian> We volunteer on this channel to help others.  Are there people that do this support as their job?
[20:54] <edbian> oCean: whatup
[20:54] <edbian> :)
[20:55] <oCean> sure there are 'real' jobs in support
[20:55] <oCean> how come you ask us?
[20:55] <edbian> IDK who else to ask
[20:55] <edbian> :P
[20:55] <edbian> Does Ubuntu offer these jobs?
[20:56] <edbian> Who should I be talking to ?
[20:56] <Tm_T> Ubuntu doesn't offer jobs, its companies like Canonical (:
[20:56] <oCean> well, there's canonical, that does provide support, so they must have jobs for that
[20:57] <edbian> oCean: thanks, I'll check out that site.
[21:00] <oCean> LjL-Yaaic: are you a known troll?
[21:00] <LjL-PowerPlz> oCean: positive
[21:01] <oCean> cool
[21:01] <LjL-PowerPlz> i need a hand crank for my air conditioning
[21:02] <LjL-PowerPlz> and also for 3g, if this lasts much longer :P
[21:03] <oCean> I may have a hand crank radio somewhere...
[21:04] <LjL-PowerPlz> nerd
[21:05] <oCean> and a solar-power-cell-phone-recharger
[21:05] <oCean> never used either one
[21:06] <LjL-PowerPlz> those are expensive
[21:07] <oCean> the recharger? It's like 25 or 30 euros
[21:07] <oCean> it comes with batteries!
[21:07] <LjL-PowerPlz> hmm i've seen them for more
[21:09] <oCean> If I could find it, it'd be yours
[21:09] <oCean> batteries not included :p
[21:12] <jussi> LjL-PowerPlz: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dynamo-hand-crank-usb-cell-phone-emergency-charger-24036 and http://www.dealextreme.com/p/solar-powered-self-recharging-3-led-flashlight-phone-charger-28935 for example
[21:14] <oCean> good ol' dealextreme :)
[21:14] <jussi> dealextreme is awesom
[21:14] <jussi> the first one is under 3$
[21:14] <jussi> :D
[21:19] <LjL-PowerPlz> or maybe i could buy an UPS :P
[21:19] <LjL-PowerPlz> the 800 number says there's blackouts in several streets, will take "about an hour" to fix
[21:20] <LjL-PowerPlz> pity an hour has already passed since this started
[21:20] <oCean> we have this massive V12 diesel generator at work
[21:20] <oCean> it NOISY when it runs
[21:23] <genii-around> LjL-PowerPlz: How long is your phone good for like this?
[21:23] <LjL-PowerPlz> genii-around: not very long i'm afraid, i'm using it as wifi hotspot and it gets VERY hot
[21:23] <LjL-PowerPlz> oh lord now alarms are going off, yay
[21:24] <genii-around> Air Raid!
[21:43] <Tm_T> good night
[21:56] <LjL> maybe it's back for real
[22:04] <Testbe_> hello
[22:04] <Testbe_> i want complain
[22:04] <LjL> hi
[22:04] <Testbe_> LjL: Why can BluesKaj always post  the list
[22:04] <Testbe_> i do not need it
[22:04] <LjL> Testbe_: blueskaj didn't "post a list", he called the ops to deal with you
[22:05] <Testbe_> yes he post it
[22:05] <Testbe_> he did
[22:05] <LjL> ok so he did
[22:05] <LjL> who cares
[22:05] <Testbe_> he typed !ops > and ! ops |
[22:05] <Testbe_> and it annoys me always to get a pm
[22:05] <LjL> Testbe_: the point is, you're really not supposed to say things like "everyone stop talking" and "we can't help you because i need help now" on #Ubuntu
[22:05] <Testbe_> and to get a highlight
[22:05] <LjL> Testbe_: well then perhaps you shouldn't troll the channel
[22:05] <LjL> then people wouldn't call ops on you
[22:05] <Testbe_> and pms are forbidden
[22:05] <LjL> no they aren't
[22:05] <Testbe_> i do not know how he did this
[22:06] <Testbe_> to call an op
[22:06] <Testbe_> s
[22:06] <LjL> PMs are not "forbidden", i don't know where you get that idea
[22:06] <Testbe_> i feel worst harassment
[22:06] <Testbe_> ok
[22:06] <Testbe_> it is the rules
[22:06] <LjL> which rules?
[22:06] <Testbe_> "Ask your question in the channel that is most relevant to your query"
[22:06] <Testbe_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[22:07] <LjL> and that forbids PMs, how?
[22:07] <Testbe_> there stands he should ask in the channel
[22:07] <Testbe_> and not me in the query
[22:07] <genii-around> Testbe_: Which actually in this case when you asked about installing kubuntu, should have been the #kubuntu channel
[22:07] <LjL> you're misreading it.
[22:07] <LjL> that rule absolutely doesn't forbid PMs
[22:07] <Testbe_> ok
[22:07] <Testbe_> you should add this rule
[22:08] <Testbe_> it is very annoying to be highlighted
[22:08] <LjL> no
[22:08] <Corey> Testbe_: Most unlikely.
[22:08] <LjL> we shouldn't
[22:08] <LjL> Testbe_: are you Lars?
[22:08] <Testbe_> no
[22:08] <Testbe_> okay can i get voice
[22:08] <LjL> Testbe_: only if you understand that you are really not supposed to behave like you behaved
[22:08] <Testbe_> ok
[22:08] <LjL> Testbe_: or for that matter, to complain loudly if someone highlights you
[22:08] <Testbe_> less arroganze ?
[22:09] <LjL> Testbe_: less of the whole "i need help so everyone shut up" thing
[22:09] <Testbe_> ok
[22:09] <Testbe_> thanks
[22:09] <Testbe_> but everybody talkes
[22:09] <Testbe_> and writes something
[22:09] <LjL> that's what a big channel causes
[22:09] <LjL> can't be helped
[22:09] <Testbe_> ok ok
[22:09] <Corey> Testbe_: Quite.


[22:01] <Guest36> hi, am trying to install ubuntu from a usb drive but it is crashing - pls any guidance on this
[22:04] <sixwheeledbeast> does the live image work as a live image? can you "try ubuntu"?
[22:26] <Guest45> hi..relogged in, in response to an earlier suggestion…I have tried ‘try ubuntu’ option….got to desktop….i did have one error “Brisk menu has quit unexpectedly”. but anyway am on desktop now…
[22:27] <Guest45> on desktop i can see “install ubuntu mate 18.04.1 lts”…i have tried this but this also crashes
[22:46] <sixwheeledbeast> 18.04 is EOL
[22:46] <sixwheeledbeast> oh