[14:32] <alkisg> Hi, two schools reported completely corrupted i915 graphics when upgrading from 4.15.0-47-generic to 4.15.0-48-generic:
[14:32] <alkisg> I told them to try the bionic-hwe kernel (4.18) and it works. Is it a known issue, or should I collect logs/file a bug report?
[14:33] <alkisg> Screeshot: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7771.0;attach=5029;image
[14:33] <alkisg> Ah, also it boots with -48 too, but only once; it breaks on reboot; then it works again with cold boot
[14:33] <alkisg> Xorg.0.log with -48 cold boot: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7771.0;attach=5037
[14:34] <alkisg> And dmesg: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7771.0;attach=5038
[14:34] <tjaalton> no idea
[14:34] <alkisg> Ty tjaalton; will collect more info
[14:35] <tjaalton> file a bug against the kernel
[14:35] <alkisg> Thanks
[14:35] <tjaalton> should be easily bisected
[14:35] <alkisg> Both are 32bit installations
[14:36] <alkisg> Will try to reproduce it with a 32bit installation locally
[14:42] <tjaalton> see bug 1819486
[14:42] <tjaalton> only commit to i915 in -48
[14:50] <alkisg> ty, reading


[07:39] <jonathon> So I have a build error (Depends: libscalar-list-utils-perl (>= 1:1.42)), but the necessary package (libscalar-list-utils-perl_1.42-1) is in the same PPA. Is 1:1.42-1 >= 1:1.42 ? Log: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/218076469/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.libtext-bibtex-perl_0.71-1~ubuntu14.04.1york2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[07:40] <jonathon> PPA: https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/texlive/+packages
[07:45] <wgrant> The version in the PPA is actually 1:1.42-1~ubuntu14.04.1york1, which is less than 1:1.42-1, but greater than 1:1.42.
[07:45] <wgrant> So let me see.
[07:46] <jonathon> Thank you :)
[07:47] <wgrant> jonathon: trusty's perl-base declares a Conflicts relationship with libscalar-list-utils-perl
[07:47] <wgrant> They cannot be installed simultaneously.
[07:47] <wgrant> And Replaces.
[07:47] <wgrant> So it's probably not a necessary build dependency.
[07:47] <wgrant> And Provides too.
[07:47] <wgrant> If you drop the version constraint from the build dependency it will work.
[07:48] <wgrant> (perl-base's Provides relationship can satisfy an unversioned dependency, but not a versioned one)
[07:49] <jonathon> Righty, thank you muchly!
[07:49] <wgrant> wily's perl-base only conflicts with old versions of the pacakge.
[07:49] <jonathon> I'll have to check what libtext-bibtex-perl is needed for; I don't really want to have to backport the whole of wily's perl too... :)
[07:50] <wgrant> Heh, yeah, that'd be unpleasant.


[00:09] <SatanicDolphin> Hey is that guy who helped me earlier still here?
[00:14] <SatanicDolphin> Well if you are here you linked me this: http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.pt/2013/04/how-to-install-xubuntu-on-usb-device.html
[00:15] <SatanicDolphin> and i think you misunderstood what i wanted, i wanted the OS running off the usb not just to install off the usb.
[00:25] <SatanicDolphin> :(
[00:31] <ochosi> SatanicDolphin: in case you're in ubuntu/xubuntu, you can also use usb-creator-gtk
[00:32] <ochosi> it has an option to retain your settings and data (you can set how many MB/GB will be used for that)
[00:34] <SatanicDolphin> ahh
[00:35] <SatanicDolphin> is there a linux distro that is best suited to being run off a usb?
[00:37] <SatanicDolphin> wait for xubuntu i should just click try xubuntu and it will save the files correct?
[00:37] <Orioa> yeah
[00:38] <SatanicDolphin> but i don't have a way to bypass that screen so it would automatically try xubuntu?
[00:38] <Orioa> when you shut it down there is an option to save
[00:38] <SatanicDolphin> ahh
[00:40] <Orioa> i use usb to install my xubuntu ..but i used the try xubuntu before you install ans when i exited it asked if i want to save session
[00:41] <SatanicDolphin> i'm going check it out now
[00:41] <SatanicDolphin> thanks
[00:41] <Orioa> np yw
[00:41] <Orioa> glad to help
[02:11] <prbc> Hi, how can I zoom in terminal?
[02:17] <holstein> prbc: i usually just set the font differently
[02:21] <lnostdal> hi guys, i'm looking for something like Ubuntu One, but for use "internally" ..  i.e. only between my own machines and disks; not to the Ubuntu One back-end (Amazon AFAICT) ..  ..any suggestions?
[02:22] <holstein> lnostdal: owncloud
[02:22] <lnostdal> is it good? .. i see it depends on PHP which seems strange
[02:23] <lnostdal> (i think of Wordpress and similar things instantly; security problems etc.)
[02:23] <holstein> lnostdal: "good" is a matter of opinion.. its one of the bigger projects. and security is not an issue on your lan
[02:23] <holstein> http://www.turnkeylinux.org/owncloud is an easy way to try the server
[02:23] <lnostdal> true, i did say internally .. but also sync via Internet ..     still only on my devices though
[02:24] <holstein> lnostdal: its well supported and developed. *anything* can be left unpatched and insecure
[02:24] <lnostdal> ok
[02:26] <prbc> holstein: what happend with the functionality? I used in ubuntu
[02:26] <holstein> prbc: xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. you can use the gnome-terminal if that is what you are used to, but it has changed as well
[02:28] <holstein> prbc: http://askubuntu.com/questions/197822/what-keyboard-shortcut-changes-the-xfce4-terminal-terminal-text-size is relevant
[02:32] <xubuntu317> hello?
[02:32] <holstein> xubuntu317: hello
[02:33] <xubuntu317> anyone here
[02:33] <xubuntu317> im having trouble booting windows xp from usb. switching from xubuntu back to windows
[02:34] <xubuntu317> i get a blinking white line while booting up the laptop
[02:34] <holstein> xubuntu317: you will need to ask microsoft about that.. nothing about xubuntu is preventing your machine from booting usb
[02:34] <holstein> xubuntu317: i dont think microsoft allowed XP installation discs to boot from USB, so, look at however you are making that happen
[02:35] <xubuntu317> alright
[02:35] <xubuntu317> so i cant use something like gparted install another OS without the usb or cd?
[02:35] <prbc> holstein: thank you, I understand now
[02:35] <xubuntu317> or unetbootin
[02:36] <xubuntu317> ?
[02:36] <holstein> xubuntu317: if microsoft, or the OEM allows it, nothing about unetbootin, xubuntu, or linux prevents that
[02:37] <xubuntu317> okay.
[02:37] <holstein> xubuntu317: if your machine boots usb successfully, then the problem is likely with the USB.. you cannot just take an ISO you downloaded for xp and use unetbootin...
[04:52] <uBUXUBu> hello everyone
[09:16] <xubuntu296> morning everyone
[09:19] <cfhowlett> xubuntu296, sez you.  It's 5:18 pm in Beijing.  Greetings.
[09:19] <xubuntu296> 10, 20 in Spain
[09:22] <xubuntu296> Any all in one applet for mail, facebook,pidgin etc?
[12:56] <alin_> hy
[12:56] <alin_> i really love xubuntu
[12:56] <alin_> :)
[12:57] <alin_> someone online?
[13:34] <livram79> hello
[13:35] <livram79> just tried xubuntu 14.04 xmir and all I could see was the mouse and black screen. My laptop is IBM thinkpad R31, uses driver i915 for graphics
[13:35] <livram79> what should I do?
[13:36] <cfhowlett> livram79, you're booting an alpha release.  expect unforeseen consequences
[13:36] <Sysi> you should go for #ubuntu+1
[13:37] <livram79> well, I want to try Xmir
[13:37]  * elfy wasn't even aware we're looking at xmir anyway
[13:37] <cfhowlett> !trusty|livram79,
[13:38] <cfhowlett> livram79, can't help you in this channel.  #ubuntu+1
[13:38] <cfhowlett> elfy, pretty sure you're right.  no mir before 14.10 ...
[13:39] <livram79> ok, thanks
[13:40] <Sysi> there should be more reliable 13.10 xmir images somewhere
[13:40] <cfhowlett> OR we could wait until it's officially released and supported.  just sayin' ...
[13:40] <livram79> I think they use the same version of Xmir
[13:40] <Sysi> but everything else is more stable
[13:43] <elfy> cfhowlett: I think that Unit193 has been playing with it still - but as far as I'm concerned as qa lead - there's nothing going on :p
[13:45] <cfhowlett> elfy, that suggests that mir is NOT heading our way anytime soon?
[13:46] <elfy> if it is it'll come as an enormous surprise to me :p
[13:47] <cfhowlett> elfy, methinks I'll stick with LTS Ubuntustudio, thenkyew
[13:47] <elfy> I expect we'll look again next cycle, but there's nothing written in stone
[13:48] <elfy> given how 14.04 is looking for me atm - I might even end up with an install that doesn't change every 6 months
[13:48] <elfy> that's not happened for a long time
[15:12] <ihavequestion> Hello people. I need some help!
[15:13] <ihavequestion> Does Xubuntu 13 support installing from inside Windows?  The way it was in Xubuntu 10
[15:17] <cub> ihavequestion, I don't think so: http://askubuntu.com/questions/384058/wubi-to-install-xubuntu-13-10
[15:57] <stark> heys guys is the upcoming lts vers. is coming with the xfce 4.11?
[15:59] <baizon> stark: yes and no
[16:00] <baizon> stark: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/expect-xubuntu-14-04-lts
[17:32] <recon_lap> hi all, my xubuntu install is getting seriously unstable, it's locked up twice today. anyone have any suggestions how I might workout whats happening?
[17:33] <baizon> recon_lap: check your memory pls
[17:33] <baizon> and the dmesg messages
[17:34] <recon_lap> the thing hard locks, don't think it gets to put anything in dmesg
[17:34] <baizon> recon_lap: then its a hardware problem i think
[17:34] <baizon> check your memory and HDD
[17:35] <recon_lap> I'll run a mem check tonight.
[17:35] <recon_lap> and these C:\nppdf32Log\debuglog.txt bloody files are appearing everywhere
[17:38] <baizon> recon_lap: this is a windows program?
[17:38] <recon_lap> baizon: no, it some droppings left by .pdf documents
[17:39] <recon_lap> it actually shows up in ls of directories as  "C:\nppdf32Log\debuglog.txt"
[17:39] <baizon> recon_lap: adobe reader?
[17:40] <baizon> recon_lap: this might help... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/1168570
[17:42] <recon_lap> baizon: thats the one :) only a minor annoyance compared to the system lockups. I just wonder if my crashes are related to cooling.
[17:42] <baizon> recon_lap: check temp then :)
[17:43] <recon_lap> I do, but the laptop powers up the fan while booting.
[17:44] <recon_lap> and well, cooling is not the best supported in ubuntu dists on laptops.
[17:57] <recon_lap> lol, damn, it's been so long I've forgotten the few cmd line commands for fault finding that I once knew.
[18:04] <xubuntu026> anyone here?
[18:04] <xubuntu026> i need help resizing a partition
[18:04] <godfree2> ok
[18:05] <xubuntu026> its the ext4 partition and i want to shrink it
[18:05] <godfree2> do you have a boot disk, something like http://partedmagic.com/  ?
[18:06] <xubuntu026> i have gparted if thats the same thing
[18:06] <xubuntu026> or do you mean a live cd or usb?
[18:06] <godfree2> yip that is good
[18:06] <godfree2> either
[18:06] <xubuntu026> nope, no live cd or usb with xubuntu on it
[18:07] <godfree2> gparted is avail in live cd or you can put it on an USB with unetbootin
[18:08] <xubuntu026> i already have gparted installed
[18:08] <godfree2> gparted will work on partitions you are not using
[18:09] <xubuntu026> so i cant shrink the ext4 partition using gparted then..?
[18:09] <godfree2> yip as long you are not using it
[18:09] <godfree2> if not you will need to boot to a CD or USB stick
[18:10] <recon_lap> is there a command that will turn on your cpu fan manualy?
[18:10] <xubuntu026> xubuntu is taking up basically 95% of the laptop. so the only way to shrink is to reinstall xubuntu using a live usb and allocate less space??
[18:11] <godfree2> CPU fan= don't know
[18:11] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: your gparted disk should be bootable, have you tried it?
[18:12] <elfy> recon_lap: I read that as being installed in Xubuntu
[18:12] <xubuntu026> what gparted disk...? gparted is installed as an application.
[18:12] <godfree2> gp is also a bootable mini-linux
[18:12] <elfy> xubuntu026: one way or the other you'll need to boot with a live medium so that xubuntu is not booted
[18:12] <godfree2> agreed
[18:12] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: you need a bootable disk if you want to resize a system partition.
[18:13] <elfy> xubuntu026: try changing piston rings while you're engine is running - similar thing :)
[18:13] <xubuntu026> what is a live medium?
[18:13] <elfy> usb/dvd
[18:13] <xubuntu026> oh. i already said that then
[18:13] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: it's this http://gparted.org/livecd.php
[18:13] <godfree2> if your machine is older than say 2005 you may not be able to boot an USB stick
[18:14] <xubuntu026> So.. booting gparted with a live cd/dvd will allow me to shrink the ext4 partition??
[18:14] <xubuntu026> rather than using the application
[18:14] <godfree2> y
[18:15] <godfree2> sounds like you need to expand more space for XU is that correct?
[18:16] <godfree2> my installs of XU are mostly above 6G in size
[18:16] <xubuntu026> no i want to shrink xubuntu not expand it.. i only have 1GB of unallocated space...
[18:16] <elfy> xubuntu026: yep - that's what you need to boot with - then you'll be able to deal with the partitions - you'll probably need to turn swap off, you can do that in the gparted too
[18:16] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: yes, it will allow you to resize the partition, you cannot use the installed g-parted as it's on the disk you want to resize( well, more like the OS that g-parted is on is using the disk you want to resize).
[18:17] <xubuntu026> alright that makes sense
[18:17] <elfy> xubuntu026: before you start - did you set it up as encrypted home?
[18:18] <xubuntu026> I was having trouble trying to boot another OS using my live USB and i figured the installation wouldnt work because I only had 1 GB of space remaining..
[18:18] <xubuntu026> I got a black screen with a white blinking underscore
[18:19] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: thats not the case, you should be able to boot from a cd/dvd/usb stick even if your computer has no hard drive.
[18:19] <godfree2> i bet your machine can not boot an USB stick, I have a few older computers that do the "blink"
[18:20] <xubuntu026> i guess youre right. i was trying to boot windows vista and xp and i got the blinking underscore
[18:20] <godfree2> my acer laptop wont boot USB on the side USB port but will on the back
[18:22] <godfree2> sounds like you need to shrink down a windows partition by about 2G and then expand XU partition by 2G so you get enough space on XU to do upgrades etc.
[18:22] <xubuntu026> me?
[18:22] <godfree2> y
[18:22] <elfy> godfree2: earlier in the conversation "[18:10] <xubuntu026> xubuntu is taking up basically 95% of the laptop."
[18:23] <elfy> so I'm not sure where you're getting this stuff from :)
[18:23] <xubuntu026> lol thanks
[18:23] <godfree2> 95% of A partition
[18:23] <godfree2> not the entire drive
[18:23] <elfy> xubuntu026: when you installed xubuntu - how did you do it
[18:23] <xubuntu026> i installed xubuntu from a usb
[18:23] <elfy> godfree2: even so - without real data from the OP we're all guessing :)
[18:23] <godfree2> true
[18:24] <elfy> ok - so you can boot with a usb - boot with it again :)
[18:24] <elfy> gparted is installed on the live image
[18:24] <xubuntu026> i erased xubuntu from the usb and put windows vista on it..
[18:24] <elfy> you will need to turn of swap - you can do it in gparted - right click on it - swap off
[18:24] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: on a side note, have you backed up all your important files?
[18:24] <xubuntu026> because i was hoping to return to vista
[18:25] <xubuntu026> theres nothing important on this laptop
[18:25] <elfy> xubuntu026: one way or the other you will need to use a linux type live system to deal with the linux filesystems
[18:25] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: you could just do a fresh install
[18:25] <xubuntu026> i dont see swap off. ext4 is the only partition i have
[18:26] <xubuntu026> alright how will i fresh install? i can do that with a live cd/usb right?
[18:27] <elfy> yes
[18:27] <xubuntu026> sorry i meant without****
[18:27] <xubuntu026> Sort of like System Restore on windows?
[18:27] <elfy> no idea - last windows I used was win2k
[18:27] <elfy> years ago
[18:28] <xubuntu026> lol you must be good with linux then. windows is good for people who arent too into programming.
[18:28] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: no, like reformatting everything from a live USB or DVD , basically erasing everything and repartition the HDD.
[18:28] <godfree2> gparted is the quickest option, get it , burn it to cd, be sure to resize a XU partition of at least 6Gigs
[18:29] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: can you burn a DVD or CD using that ISO file?
[18:30] <xubuntu026> I think my laptop is just having trouble booting Windows OS's from a USB..
[18:31] <xubuntu026> So i dont I have any option but to stick with a form of Ubuntu
[18:31] <xubuntu026> thats what it seems like
[18:32] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: you could call MS support and hand over your CC details to be told you need to order a new install dist from you computer supplier :)
[18:32] <recon_lap> disc*
[18:32] <godfree2> Windows often wpnt give error messages
[18:34] <godfree2> if u shrunk a windows partition it may fail to boot, best to defrag it 1st then have it shrunk
[18:34] <xubuntu026> alright so ill try burning the iso to a disc instead
[18:34] <godfree2> y
[18:34] <xubuntu026> i cant shrink a windows partition because I only have Xubuntu installed
[18:35] <godfree2> oh
[18:35] <godfree2> how big drive
[18:35] <xubuntu026> 28GB drive
[18:36] <xubuntu026> and xubuntu is taking 26.7GB
[18:36] <godfree2> wow that will do
[18:36] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: thats a small HDD
[18:36] <xubuntu026> lmao
[18:36] <godfree2> i put xu on 10g
[18:37] <recon_lap> will windows fit on only 30GB drive?
[18:37] <xubuntu026> I didnt mess with anything during istallation of Xubuntu. 26.7GB was the default I guess. They f*ked me over
[18:38] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: when did you get this computer, and how old is it? the 30gb might just have been the unused space.
[18:38] <godfree2> reboot in rescue mode and select remove unused programs / updated . windows vista will install on 6Gigs but will balloon to >25Gigs on updates
[18:39] <godfree2> command line : df -h
[18:39] <godfree2> that will give disk usage
[18:39] <xubuntu026> In gparted it tells me that ext4 takes up 26.7GB out of 28GB and 1GB is unallocated.
[18:40] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: does it list any other drives ?
[18:40] <xubuntu026> Im assuming ext4 is Xubuntu because when I installed it via USB, i erased the other Windows OS i had installed.
[18:40] <godfree2> ok that is the partition size not what is used
[18:41] <godfree2> run the terminal and type in: df -h
[18:41] <xubuntu026> df -h shows me exactly what gparted shows me
[18:41] <godfree2> 95% used
[18:41] <xubuntu026> ..
[18:41] <godfree2> that is a lot
[18:42] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: can you tell us what computer this is, is it an iPad or somthing like that?
[18:42] <elfy> it's perfectly normal if you let the installer use the whole drive
[18:43] <xubuntu026> Its a netbook
[18:43] <xubuntu026> IBM
[18:43] <xubuntu026> why would it be an ipad lol?
[18:44] <godfree2> :)
[18:44] <recon_lap> well, because 32gb would be the size of a flash type drive.
[18:45] <godfree2> sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:45] <elfy> xubuntu026: really - all you can do at moment is sort out a live boot of some description - all that's happening at the moment is going in cricles
[18:45] <godfree2> try that command in a terminal
[18:45] <godfree2> that should clean up unused old programs etc..
[18:46] <godfree2> how porn did you download under XU anyways? ;-)
[18:47] <xubuntu026> im currently using unetbootin to put Ubuntu on my USB. Im going to see if Ubuntu can boot from my USB
[18:47] <xubuntu026> if it works then I know the Windows ISO is the problem, or rather the laptops inability
[18:48] <godfree2> recap: the hard drive has XU on it and windows ISO is on the USB stick? the USB stick was made with unetbootin
[18:48] <godfree2> ?
[18:49] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: anyways, your mad to try use windows. :P
[18:49] <xubuntu026> Yes
[18:50] <xubuntu026> I actually enjoy Xubuntu, my younger sister just wanted to use Microsoft Powerpoint and Office to do some stuff but I couldnt get them to install..
[18:50] <godfree2> so the boot process is first try USB stick then select an OS?
[18:50] <xubuntu026> So i figured, Windows is more convenient for her.
[18:50] <godfree2> the bootloader installed by XU should be on the hard drive
[18:50] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: with a 28gb hdd I douth they will install in windows.
[18:50] <godfree2> libreoffice under XU is very good
[18:51] <xubuntu026> It already had Windows installed so.. it will work.
[18:51] <xubuntu026> It was running Windows Vista.
[18:51] <recon_lap> I'd guess the school is brainwashing the young with there free educational licenses.
[18:51] <recon_lap> their*
[18:52] <xubuntu026> lol wtf are you talking about good sir?
[18:52] <godfree2> Vista has a lot kill switches and booting from an USB is risky,
[18:53] <recon_lap> your younger sister, being brainwashed into using sub-standard MS propriety software :)
[18:53] <godfree2> if you had the space you could install Vista as a virtual machine inside XU, but not enough space nor power
[18:53] <godfree2> flashing cursor is the bootup going mental.
[18:53] <godfree2> sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:53] <godfree2> try that first to free up space
[18:54] <xubuntu026> Well its not easy to find a Powerpoint equivalent for Linux
[18:54] <xubuntu026> And .exe files are fairly easier to use.
[18:54] <elfy> xubuntu026: have you got this usb loaded with xubuntu yet?
[18:54] <elfy> and can we take the offtopic stuff to #xubuntu-ooftopic
[18:55] <elfy> godfree2: how much space do you think that apt-get autoremove is going to clear?
[18:55] <godfree2> several hundred megs
[18:56] <elfy> right - and what we're trying to achieve here is shrinking a partition by Gb's
[18:56] <godfree2> there must be some hell of a lot of updates unused
[18:56] <godfree2> very odd to have XU using 26Gigs, we don't have the full story
[18:56] <elfy> godfree2: what makes you say that?
[18:57] <xubuntu026_> Alright same problem with Windows ISO on usb...
[18:57] <godfree2> so I'm bowing out since I see where this is going. bye
[18:57] <elfy> godfree2: it is perfectly normal if the partition option was erase and use whole disk
[18:57] <xubuntu026_> Blinking underscore while trying to boot the Ubuntu ISO from usb
[18:58] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: make a CD/DVD if you can, does the netbook have a dvd drive?
[18:59] <xubuntu026_> yes
[18:59] <elfy> xubuntu026_: I thought you said earlier that you used usb to install xubuntu
[18:59] <xubuntu026_> But I had no problem booting Xubuntu from this USB...
[18:59] <xubuntu026_> i did..
[19:00] <elfy> then there is no reason why the ubuntu usb wouldn't work either
[19:00] <xubuntu026_> i put the ISO's on the USB with unetbootin then i rebooted
[19:00] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: do you have more that one usb slot?
[19:01] <xubuntu026_> yup and I tried them all. i guess ill have to try to reinstall xubuntu
[19:02] <xubuntu026_> fat32 is the correct format right??
[19:03] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: don't matter, to reinstall xubuntu you'll have to boot from a usb or cd anyway.
[19:03] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: fat32 is for windows, not linux
[19:03] <xubuntu026_> i know. instead of trying Windows and Ubuntu, ill use a Xubuntu ISO on the usb
[19:03] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: actually fat32 is really just for dos
[19:04] <xubuntu026_> So before i use unetbootin, what do i format the USB to?
[19:05] <recon_lap> I would expect that unetbootin will do it's own formatting
[19:06] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: been years since I used unetbootin
[19:10] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: just looked at unetbootin , it's burning a ISO to the USB, the ISO is a disk image, so it'll already have the format type of the disk.
[19:11] <xubuntu026_> i think the problem with unetbootin is that is "Installs Bootloader" too. isnt it supposed to use grub from xubuntu rather than whatever bootloader is with the ISO i put on the usb?
[19:12] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: circles. just burn a CD.
[19:13] <xubuntu026_> alright
[19:13] <elfy> there is no problem with using unetbootin and grub, and it will work fine with fat32 - I do it half a dozen times a week ;)
[19:14] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: and it should use the bootloader from the USB, it defeats the purpose of a boot disk of it does not use the disks bootloader.
[19:17] <xubuntu026_> lol yea youre right. i used boot repair after unetbootin and i got an error. i thought i was making progress. ill burn the cd once booted up.
[19:19] <recon_lap> old ways are best :P
[19:23] <xubuntu026_> does it matter if the iso is read only?
[19:23] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: no
[19:27] <recon_lap1> 3rd hard lockup today :( this is getting bad.
[19:30] <xubuntu026_> Xfburn won't even open
[19:30] <xubuntu026_> nvm
[19:32] <recon_lap1> dont think it's hdd or temp related, it only crashes when I'm clicking on something
[19:32] <elfy> odd
[19:32] <elfy> /hate hardware issues
[19:32] <recon_lap1> elfy: I'm not convinced it's hardware.
[19:36] <recon_lap1> maybe memory, I'll have to setup a live USB and run a test tonight
[19:36] <xubuntu026_> can i just use unetbootin to istall the ISO over the hard drive rather than a usb or dvd? im having trouble burning it...
[19:37] <recon_lap1> xubuntu026_: no.
[19:37] <xubuntu026_> god
[19:38] <recon_lap1> xubuntu026_: not you day computer wise. but you said you dont want to install windows anymore?
[19:39] <xubuntu026_> i do want to install Windows but i was tried to install Ubuntu to see if it was a problem with the windows bootloader. and neither works
[19:40] <xubuntu026_> I'll just retry Xubuntu and if that doesn't work then something's extremely wrong
[19:43] <elfy> xubuntu026_: it's entirely possible that using a usb to install windows is not as simple as it is for us ;)
[19:44] <xubuntu026_> Well i also tried Ubuntu..
[19:47] <xubuntu026_> what's the .exe equivalent for linux??
[19:48] <recon_lap1> the executable flag (x) when you do ls -l
[19:49] <glenrock> any file on linux can be made executable
[19:49] <glenrock> sometimes those executable files are shell scripts.   extension doesn't matter
[19:51] <xubuntu026_> so will i be able to run a microsoft app such as powerpoint on linux?
[19:51] <Sysi> some versions work on wine
[19:52] <Sysi> or you could just use skydrive.com versions with webbrowser
[19:52] <glenrock> usually you'll use an equivalent that you will install from the software repositories.  for example, LibreOffice Impress is an alternative to PowerPoint
[19:53] <glenrock> like Sysi said, sometimes you can run windows apps directly using WINE
[19:53] <glenrock> what i do is install windows in a "virtual machine" on my linux box.  i install VirtualBox and then set up a windows installation that runs as if it's a program
[19:53] <glenrock> and then i always have access to a windows environment from within linux
[19:53] <xubuntu026_> I'll check those out
[19:53] <recon_lap1> this is a IBM netbook we are talking about here
[19:54] <recon_lap1> with a 30GB hdd
[19:54] <xubuntu026_> actually i used wine and powerpoint didnt work but powerpoint viewer worked -_-
[19:55] <glenrock> ya, wine can be hit or miss.  in the past there have been some efforts wrapped around wine specifically for installing Office.  i haven't looked into them lately though
[19:56] <glenrock> xubuntu026_: http://www.howtogeek.com/171565/how-to-install-microsoft-office-on-linux/
[19:56] <xubuntu940> how do i get USB devices to show up in file manager?
[19:56] <Sysi> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=31
[19:57] <glenrock> when i plug in a usb drive, i automatically get an icon on my desktop
[19:58] <xubuntu026_> your USB is in the media folder
[20:00] <xubuntu940> i have looked there and only floppy shows up. It is an old computer with floppy drive, a 60GB HD and two USB ports. I know that the USB works since it did work on an earlier version of Ubuntu.
[20:00] <xubuntu940> Does anyone know how to view a USB from the console?
[20:01] <lderan> is it mounted?
[20:02] <xubuntu940> Can you please provide a layman's definition of mounted
[20:02] <xubuntu026_> try going to Settings > Settings Manager > Removeable Drives > and check Mount removeable drives
[20:02] <xubuntu026_> Both of them
[20:02] <xubuntu940> that has already been done
[20:02] <xubuntu026_> lol
[20:03] <koegs> xubuntu940: lsusb will list your usb-devices and dmesg will show if it is recognized as a usb-drive
[20:12] <xubuntu026_> Libre is perfect thanks
[20:52] <xubuntu026_> whats the method to remove junk that was posted here?
[20:56] <elfy> xubuntu026_: in this channel?
[21:22] <radiomark> Hi, I'm looking to install xubuntu to a machine with no CD drive
[21:22] <radiomark> Are there USB installation instructions? And specifically, is there a USB image that doesn't require me to have a Mac, Windows or Ubuntu to use it?
[21:24] <knome> !usb | radiomark
[21:25] <knome> the same instructions are valid for xubuntu as well
[21:25] <knome> (and you don't need any existing OS to do that)
[21:25] <knome> (except to create the USB stick, but that can be done with virtually any system)
[21:26] <knome> that should work as long as you can boot from USB with your PC, which you probably can if you don't have a CD drive
[21:26] <radiomark> Thanks knome ... I've actually already seen that docs for Ubuntu; thanks for letting me know they can be used for xubuntu
[21:27] <knome> no problem
[21:27] <radiomark> But I'm finding this a little awkward; is there not a USB image that I can 'dd' to a USB stick?
[21:28] <knome> the regular ISO should do with that
[21:28] <radiomark> Ah, I see there is a paragraph on it; this mustn't be the doc I was reading before
[21:29] <knome> that's possible as well
[21:30] <radiomark> "The method and the script for dd image of iso file to USB device safely are described in the Ubuntu Forums tutorial "Howto make USB boot drives"."
[21:31] <radiomark> ... the link seems to suggest I need to use some special script given
[21:31] <radiomark> Just reading now
[21:34] <radiomark> Is all this shell script going to do is a simple dd? I think I trust you much more than this incredibly wordy documentation :)
[21:36] <radiomark> knome: Thanks! Booting now
[21:37] <radiomark> Really it would be easier if the documentation just said "you can also dd the image to a USB stick"
[21:37] <radiomark> It seems to think that having a script do that for me is easier :)
[21:37] <radiomark> Anyway, looking forward to trying this out... thanks again
[21:47] <knome> radiomark, np, good luck.
[21:54] <attrapereves> Hi, I am having trouble with my USB key. I am able to boot, but nothing ever comes up on the screen after the Xubuntu splash screen. I am able to access a terminal.
[22:08] <holstein> attrapereves: the usb key is a normal installation that boots from the key? or a live USB with persistence? or a USB installer? or just storage on another installation that is on another hard drive?
[22:12] <attrapereves> holstein, did you receive my previous msgs?
[22:13] <TheSheep> attrapereves: no messages appeared from you apart from the first one
[22:13] <holstein> attrapereves: 16:54 < attrapereves> Hi, I am having trouble with my USB key. I am able to boot, but nothing ever comes up on the screen  after the Xubuntu splash screen. I am able to access a terminal.
[22:13] <attrapereves> I downloaded the .ISO and ran usb-creator to create a bootable disk.
[22:14] <attrapereves> I am able to boot the disk, but I only get a black screen after the Xubuntu splash screen.
[22:14] <attrapereves> I am thinking it's a video driver issue
[22:14] <holstein> !nomodeset | attrapereves
[22:14] <holstein> attrapereves: i think it could be the drivers not supporting linux as well
[22:15] <recon_lap1> that(nomodeset) was what I was trying to remember :)
[22:16] <attrapereves> Where do I type nomodeset?
[22:16] <attrapereves> nm, just saw the link
[22:27] <attrapereves> No go with nomodeset
[22:27] <attrapereves> Any other options?
[22:28] <holstein> attrapereves: sure.. test the iso, and the stick. an easy wat to do both is to take the stick to another machine. if it doenst work there, then, its like something with the creation of it, or the iso
[22:28] <holstein> !md5 | attrapereves also can help troubleshoot installation media
[22:29] <attrapereves> holstein, already done. The stick works fine on my other laptop.
[22:30] <holstein> attrapereves: you can just install, and specify an xorg.conf that forces the vesa driver, assuming the grahpics are the issue
[22:36] <chance_> hello people
[22:36] <peyam> Hi
[22:37] <chance_> ive deleted some crucial things from xubuntu now i cant boot
[22:37] <peyam> hehe
[22:37] <chance_> but i can get into recovery and terminal
[22:37] <chance_> do you know a code to install the defaults or restore system?
[22:38] <peyam> xfwm4 --replace with alt+f2
[22:39] <chance_> write that in terminal??
[22:40] <peyam>  sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop  maybe?
[22:40] <peyam> I dont know if it works
[22:41] <holstein> thats the meta-package that pulls everything in, or should. assuming PPA's are not breaking things.. reinstallation usually takes about 8 mintes
[22:42] <chance_> nope just tried it
[22:42] <holstein> xubuntu-desktop is the metapackage.. i agree that that should work
[22:42] <holstein> chance_: tried what? and how?
[22:42] <holstein> and what are the errors?
[22:42] <chance_> i wrote sudo aptitude update && ..... so on
[22:43] <holstein> chance_: try this.. sudo apt-get update ..press return and see that you have no errors..
[22:43] <holstein> chance_: then, assuming that completed, run.. sudo apt-get install xubuntu-destop
[22:43] <holstein> report errors
[22:43] <chance_> no errors
[22:44] <chance_> okay
[22:45] <chance_> this looks like it will work; its reinstalling the things i deleted
[22:45] <peyam> yeah should work I think.. just a guess
[22:46] <chance_> thanks ahead of time, both of you
[22:46] <attrapereves> holstein, any other tips for getting the liveUSB to show anything past the splash screen? I'd really like to test it out before installing fully.
[22:47] <peyam> are you sure u make usb of right version? 64 or 86?
[22:47] <peyam> Well i gotta go sleep now. gnight
[22:47] <attrapereves> It's an AMD cpu, so I downloaded the 64 bit version.
[22:48] <chance_> didnt work after reboot.. the error i get is: "mountall: Plymouth command failed"
[22:49] <chance_> and under that it says "mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth"
[22:56] <chance_> can't find a fix for this Plymouth mess.
[23:15] <juan__> hi all, i dont know why but my system started w/out sound. how can i revert it and turn my sound on again?


[09:38] <richard123> Hi, I have no sound at all on a new installation onto an HP Pavillion dv6 machine, all the settings seem as they should be: anyone with the same experience? Otherwise everything else working fine.
[09:38] <Gryllida> richard123, what is your model?
[09:38] <richard123> gryllida: you following me ;-)
[09:39] <Gryllida> :)
[09:39] <richard123> pavillion dv6
[09:39] <Gryllida> I see
[09:40] <richard123> just changed machine from old IBM thinkpad when all worked fine, same version of ubuntu.
[09:40] <richard123> [Unfortunately, I am not a techie]
[09:41] <Gryllida> I see, I am searching for your model at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam ... don't worry, me knows little, but "me and Google" are a good companion to find an answer ;)
[09:41] <richard123> still its a lot better than windows 7.
[09:41] <Gryllida> Of course... I can't stand Vista and 7, I am on XP now...
[09:42] <Gryllida> I don't see your question above... what worked wrong?
[09:43] <richard123> basically, just no sound at all. Even though mic is on etc and all settings in prefs. in Volume are I believe as they should be.
[09:43] <Gryllida> I see.
[09:44] <Gryllida> I am looking at http://www.google.co.kr/search?q=Pavilion+DV6+Ubuntu+sound and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1192274
[09:45] <richard123> Thank you for your time: I am looking at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[09:45] <richard123> Where are you in the world? I am in australia.
[09:45] <Gryllida> and may look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7299632&postcount=60
[09:46] <Gryllida> Where am I in the world?
[09:47] <Gryllida> This is an unstable question... You will know me much better by going to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/user/4817791
[09:47] <Gryllida> Did any of these threads help you to fix sound?
[09:49] <Gryllida> You know... Google is a powerful tool to help you in MANY cases. But they usually don't say "google it!" at the support channel, like this:
[09:49] <Gryllida> !google
[09:49] <richard123> OK, saw your page:-) I am still working through threads - will take some minutes . .
[09:50] <Gryllida> mmm... find ubottu user in #ubuntu channel and send him a private message "google"... you'll see something interesting (that is their favourite bot)
[09:51] <richard123> i see:-)
[09:52] <Gryllida> But don't say "ops" to it, this is a critical command (calls operators)
[09:52] <Gryllida> you can say "ubuntu", "kde", etc... many things, a sort of Ubuntu dictionary
[09:52] <Gryllida> "ot" is a funny one
[09:55] <richard123> I am still here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449  giving it a try.
[09:55] <Gryllida> richard123, you'll be doing a reboot soon, I think. good luck.
[09:56] <richard123> thanks for your help! Cheers.
[09:57] <Gryllida> You're welcome
[10:24] <Gryllida> hi
[10:25] <richard123> I am still here. No luck yet. It seems that ALSA might not support the sound cards.
[10:26] <Gryllida> ALSA is not ready for Linux experience :) Contact them
[10:27] <Gryllida> maybe you know your sound card's manufacturer's website?
[10:27] <Gryllida> richard123, sometimes such sites have download section with drivers
[10:28] <Gryllida> and also "support" and "contact us" sections too...
[10:29] <Gryllida> you can post your question to the mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/users they can help promptly, too
[10:29] <Gryllida> richard123, do you hear me?
[10:30] <richard123> yes. I cant find the soundcard I have listed :-(
[10:31] <Gryllida> mmm... give me URL of the manufacturer's website and the soundcard #
[10:31] <richard123> There are two: (1) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)
[10:32] <richard123> (2) 01:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation Device 0be2 (rev a1)
[10:32] <richard123> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 3659
[10:33] <Gryllida> Two sound cards? Why could it be? nVidia usually stands for monitors?
[10:35] <richard123> I did: lspci -v as instructed in one of the threads we looked at, and you get a list of devices on the machine.
[10:36] <richard123> maybe the intel one is the main device.
[10:36] <Gryllida> well, we need to research about the audio device, (1)
[10:38] <Gryllida> they seem to have no drivers for Linux... see here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/SearchResult.aspx?lang=eng&ProductFamily=Chipsets&ProductLine=Laptop+Chipsets&ProductProduct=Mobile+Intel%C2%AE+5+Series+Chipset&ProdId=3172&DownloadType=Drivers
[10:39] <richard123> looking
[10:39] <richard123> Isn't Ubuntu meant to match a driver?
[10:40] <richard123> ie ALSA?
[10:47] <Gryllida> Yes, there should be a driver for Ubuntu... now I see drivers only for Windows on that page.
[10:47] <Gryllida> I am not sure at all about what we should do now. I think it would be great to try asking at the support channel #ubuntu , indicating the laptop model and audio card name... this /is/ a support question, as I realize. They will give you lots of ideas, you should only have time and patience to follow them :)
[10:47] <Gryllida> I only think that they did Google it sometime... Google must have given an answer. But real-time support could be much more helpful and fascinating. (Are you installing Ubuntu along with Windows?)
[10:49] <richard123> ubuntu is on the major partiton of the HD. I am emailing ubuntu-users for help.
[10:54] <richard123> OK: I wrote: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2010-February/211536.html and will wait for help.
[10:54] <Gryllida> :)
[10:54] <Gryllida> Good luck!
[10:55] <Gryllida> I got in ny e-mail box since I'm subscribed to that list :)
[10:56] <richard123> thanks:-)


[04:39] <Kilos> hi captine
[04:54] <Kilos> morning all
[05:11] <Kilos> ai!
[05:41] <Kilos> morning superfly
[05:42] <superfly> bye Kilos, church and load-shedding
[05:42] <Kilos> have a good day superfly
[09:21] <stickyboy> God this is sexy: http://gohugo.io/
[09:21] <stickyboy> I love static site generators...
[10:14] <Kilos> i was shed
[10:17] <stickyboy> Power problems in ZA are serious, eh?
[10:17] <stickyboy> My power turned off last night and I ran across the room in the dark to shut off my server.
[10:17] <Kilos> yeah stickyboy
[10:17] <stickyboy> LOL
[10:18] <stickyboy> UPS was beeping, I know I only get 15 seconds or so. Just enough for the blips, or to dash across the room!
[10:18] <Kilos> lol
[10:26] <stickyboy> Kilos: I'm looking at static site generators.
[11:22] <Kilos> good , im outsdie working on a car
[11:23] <Kilos> that nikola works good
[12:46] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[12:46] <magellanic> greets
[12:46] <Kilos> hi Kerbero
[12:51] <magellanic> congrats on debconf in cape town..
[12:57] <captine> noon all
[12:57] <magellanic> hi
[12:59] <captine> quick one to the tech people.  am wanting to learn central server management and am looking at puppet?  anyone have easier alternatives etc?
[12:59] <captine> thinking puppet + nagios
[13:00] <captine> ansible looks good to
[13:15] <magellanic> only heard good things about ansible captine
[13:16] <stickyboy> magellanic: We use Ansible here...
[13:17] <stickyboy> I like that it doesn't need a daemon. Just piggybacks on SSH + key-based authed. w00t.
[13:17] <magellanic> for monitoring I don't like nagios, some of its forks have progressed better, I'd look around, icinga was a promising one
[13:17] <stickyboy> No extra ports in firewall, etc.
[13:18] <magellanic> I have no experience with ansible, but there is a continuous integration guy in the office who swears by it :D
[13:18] <stickyboy> I use ansible to manage my the server hosting my blogs: http://github.com/alanorth/ansible_blog
[13:19] <stickyboy> And I've written about using ansible on my cluster at work: https://mjanja.ch/2014/09/update-hosts-via-ansible-to-mitigate-bash-shellshock-vulnerability/
[13:19] <stickyboy> But many more.
[13:27] <Trixar_za> We've moved on from the shellshock so quickly that it's not even funny :P
[14:02] <zipper> waddup
[14:07] <Kilos> hi zipper
[14:07] <zipper> Kilos: It's all good.
[14:08] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[14:08] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[14:09] <Kilos> you guys been busy hey zipper
[14:09] <zipper> Kilos: Who has been busy?
[14:09] <Kilos> you man
[14:09] <Kilos> you havent been on irc for a week or more
[14:10] <zipper> Kilos: Well I have. There is a haskell project I'm working on.
[14:10] <zipper> Trying to get it right.
[14:10] <Kilos> ah
[14:11] <zipper> Giving it a clean JSON RESTful API. I hate to use such words but I don't know how else to describe it.
[14:11] <Kilos> lol
[14:12] <zipper> Problem is that these guys want it to deploy FAST! but if it's going to be fast it'll be crappy.
[14:13] <Kilos> eish
[14:13] <zipper> Kilos: How are you though?
[14:13] <Kilos> im good ty working on a site for ubuntu-africa
[14:14] <Kilos> just need to learn more about bzr and nikola
[14:14] <Kilos> then once working maybe a site for linux-africa
[14:15] <Kilos> ill get you all together somehow
[14:18] <zipper> Wow linux africa
[14:18] <zipper> May I suggest that linux africa use git instead of BZR?
[14:19] <Kilos> yeah there are so many linux guys in africa and they could all work together instead of each one battling on his own
[14:19] <Kilos> i dont know how to use git
[14:19] <zipper> Kilos: I think git is easier to use than BZR by far.
[14:20] <Trixar_za> Yeah, and git was created by Linus too :P
[14:20] <Kilos> when ive done the ubuntu site then ill come to you guys for guidance and see what the git thing works like
[14:22] <Kilos> i need stuff that easy and simple
[14:23] <Kilos> see this site is cool and fast, thats what im after
[14:23] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org/
[14:24] <zipper> Because git is truly what linus made for linux collaboration and linux is not ubuntu?
[14:24] <Kilos> sites that load slowly are a pupoff from the beginning
[14:24] <Kilos> ill look at it
[14:25] <Kilos> you guys can help when i get the ubuntu site done
[14:25] <zipper> I feel that ubuntu tries to take linux away from the community by the way they deviate. Though deviating is the whole idea of FOSS
[14:25] <zipper> but by ubuntu I mean cannonical
[14:26] <Kilos> read the text on the za site
[14:26] <zipper> So I am contradicting myself. I don't like the way they deviate.
[14:26] <Kilos> linux users are welcome
[14:26] <zipper> Kilos: We are all linux users after all. :)
[14:26] <Kilos> yes
[14:26] <zipper> I just clicked the link
[14:27] <zipper> Kilos: Wow looks good. Did you make that/
[14:27] <zipper> *?
[14:27] <Kilos> no superfly  did and im copying most for the ubuntu-africa site
[14:28] <zipper> Looks good.
[14:28] <Kilos> well of course
[14:30] <zipper> Anyway let me give you a resource for git. The easiest. It's an online book. http://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Getting-Started-About-Version-Control
[14:30] <zipper> The ebook pro-git is free
[14:30] <Kilos> cool ty
[14:30] <zipper> http://git-scm.com/book/en/v2
[14:31] <zipper> Yeah
[14:31] <zipper> I hope I am not forcing anything on anyone. Just an opinion.
[14:31] <zipper> What is nikola?
[14:31] <Kilos> nope ill look into it and use what is easiest for me
[14:32] <superfly> zipper: Having used git, Mercurial and Bazaar, I prefer Bazaar. Git is hopelessly over-complicated
[14:32] <Kilos> nikola generates static sites and converts the text stuff to html i think
[14:32] <zipper> Kilos: Oh I see
[14:32] <superfly> Kilos: if you find bzr difficult to understand, don't even try git.
[14:32] <Kilos> zipper  superfly  knows what id find easier
[14:33] <zipper> superfly: Why are you spreading misinformation based on your opinion?
[14:33] <superfly> zipper: it's not mis-information
[14:33] <zipper> Some things are hard for some and easy for others
[14:33] <superfly> it's true
[14:33] <zipper> Kilos: What language is it in? Since I worked with ruby I've used jekyll.
[14:33] <Kilos> i cant even answer that
[14:33] <superfly> zipper: don't confuse git with github. most people think git is easy because all they've ever used is github.
[14:34] <superfly> zipper: Nikola is written in Python.
[14:34] <zipper> If you want to get with linux or most source project. Basically if you want info that you can apply elsewhere use git.
[14:34] <Kilos> wbb
[14:35] <zipper> superfly: You my friend should be slapped with a wet fish for spreading your opinion as the truth.
[14:36] <zipper> Also git is distributed. That is a big plus.
[14:37] <zipper> Maybe good things can sometimes seem complicated but once you get them it was worth the trouble.
[14:40] <superfly> zipper: dude. step down. I've been around  doing this open source and version control thing for years. Don't tell me I'm talking nonsense. Have you used bzr or hg? Or svn or cvs, for that matter?
[14:40] <zipper> superfly: LOL
[14:40] <zipper> superfly: I've not said it's nonsense
[14:42] <Kilos> zipper  dont fight my fly
[14:42] <superfly> zipper: please do answer my question.
[14:42] <zipper> I once tried learning bzr (when I was on ubuntu and found it complex). If you chose hg I'd be okay because it's distributed version control.
[14:42] <zipper> superfly: I'm not done answering it.
[14:43] <zipper> It's true I'm still in school and I wasn't around when people used stuff like sourceforge and other things. All I've  used is git with github and bitbucket.
[14:44] <zipper> I hear hg has a better "interface/ux"
[14:46] <zipper> I think if you wanted to start an open source project chosing version control that is used by most people would be good. All I know about bzr that I know I wouldn't want is not being a DVCS.
[14:46] <zipper> Now I'm done answering.
[14:46] <Kilos> lol
[14:47] <zipper> Whatever you guys chose I'll be okay with it.
[14:47] <superfly> bzr is DVCS
[14:49] <magellanic> sup superfly
[14:49] <superfly> hey magellanic
[14:49] <zipper> superfly: I didn't know that. So why don't people like bzr?
[14:50] <magellanic> bzr is not open source is it?
[14:50] <zipper> magellanic: It's not?
[14:50] <superfly> zipper: the fact that you don't know that bzr is a DVCS shows me exactly how much you know about version control.  These days it is driven by Canonical.
[14:51] <Symmetria> to the point where loading the damn mp3 player gives me issues initializing the damn library
[14:51] <magellanic> oh right
[14:51] <magellanic> Symmetria: heya
[14:51] <zipper> superfly: No you can't tell me to quiet down because I questioned your choice of using bzr.
[14:51] <Symmetria> lo magellanic
[14:51] <Symmetria> someone recommend me an mp3 player that can handle an insanely huge library properly
[14:52] <zipper> Symmetria: Does rhythmbox not work for you?
[14:52] <Symmetria> zipper heh nope
[14:52] <Symmetria> Total peak : 15.383930 (3910/565633 tracks)
[14:52] <Symmetria> :P
[14:52] <Kilos> zipper  the fly did our site and its great imo.
[14:52] <superfly> zipper: You never questions my use choice of bzr. You just said that I'm spreading misinformation.
[14:52] <superfly> *questioned
[14:52] <zipper> superfly: Anyway after many people are hopefully contributing to the project we'll know whether bzr was a good choice.
[14:52] <Symmetria> heh, its 565 thousand tracks, with a play time of 385 weeks ;p
[14:53] <zipper> Kilos: I have no issue with his programming skills.
[14:53] <Kilos> being a skilled programmer he knows what works best in most situations
[14:53] <superfly> zipper: MySQL uses bzr. Ubuntu uses bzr, there are a number of other big projects that use bzr. I use bzr because it's simpler than git while getting the same job done in a saner way.
[14:56] <magellanic> I've never used bzr, probably should try it out.
[14:57] <zipper> superfly: I still think it's your opinion and not truth.
[14:57] <Kilos> ai!
[14:57] <superfly> zipper: I've been involved in an open source project for over 10 years, you think I don't know what I'm talking about?
[14:58] <zipper> but whatever you chose I am going to be in support of.
[14:58] <Kilos> yay zipper  thats the way to go
[14:58] <Kilos> the fly knows
[14:58] <magellanic> Symmetria: I used to use some xmms clone, can't recall now
[14:58] <zipper> superfly: I am not saying that you don't know whaty you're saying I'm just saying the git learning curve might be worth the trouble.
[14:58] <Symmetria> magellanic,  lol I tried to load em into plex and that fell apart
[14:59] <zipper> superfly: again I think it's more of an opinion
[14:59] <superfly> Symmetria: aplay :-P
[14:59] <zipper> Symmetria: try rhythmbox I guess
[14:59] <magellanic> Symmetria: try http://audacious-media-player.org/
[14:59] <magellanic> I think that's what I had
[15:00] <Symmetria> heh will try that
[15:00] <Symmetria> thanks
[15:00] <Symmetria> Disk /dev/sda: 2.7 TiB,<PHONE_NUMBER>016 bytes,<PHONE_NUMBER> sectors
[15:00] <Symmetria> Disk /dev/sdb: 27.3 TiB,<PHONE_NUMBER>7360 bytes,<PHONE_NUMBER>0 sectors
[15:01] <Symmetria> heh thats my latest in my addition to my disk space ;p
[15:01] <zipper> I have had some trouble rebasing, squashing etc commits in git and I must admit I don't totally get some parts of git that are central to collaboration.
[15:02] <superfly> yeah, no such thing in bzr.
[15:02] <superfly> rebase really does my head in. I always thought that VCS was about recording history... and then with rebase you go and rewrite your history. doesn't make sense to me.
[15:04] <superfly> zipper: then there's this: there seem to be 2 camps in git. Those that are pro-merge and those that are pro-rebase. And I've never been able to see one reason to prefer one over the other (other than the fact that rebase rewrites your history, which seems wrong). http://bemusement.org/rebase-criticism
[15:05] <zipper> hahahaha I am pro rebase just because it has a cleaner commit history.
[15:06] <superfly> "cleaner" - i.e. remove all your history.
[15:06] <zipper> merges are cool I guess because they're easier to wrap ones's head around.
[15:06] <superfly> bzr does it differently you see. it does what rebase does, without losing the history.
[15:06] <zipper> superfly: I believe you can still access the history from a rebase. I can't remember well but it's not easy.
[15:07] <zipper> I read about it in pro git
[15:07] <zipper> However, don't you think that if you wanted an open source project for linux users it should use the VCS that is most popular among linux users?
[15:08] <zipper> or at least hg. I've always wanted to try hg but I've never had the chance.
[15:08] <superfly> zipper: when I started using bzr, git wasn't nearly as popular as it is today, in fact at that stage bzr was more popular than git.
[15:08] <Kilos> zipper try them all and use what suits you best not just whats more popular
[15:10] <zipper> Kilos: but git suits me I think. Plus it's what most open source projects use. Recruiters look at your github not even bitbucket.
[15:10] <superfly> recruiters don't know what git is.
[15:11] <superfly> they just play buzzword bingo
[15:11] <zipper> superfly: Well they're the ones in charge.
[15:11] <zipper> superfly: They look at github specifically which sucks.
[15:11] <superfly> no they're not.
[15:12] <zipper> A lot people ask to look at my GITHUB
[15:12] <Symmetria> lol, games to play when you are bored, network acronyms, cause Im convinced there are more of those than in almost any other area of IT lol
[15:12] <superfly> says the highschooler to the "veteran"
[15:12] <superfly> Symmetria: can't argue with you there.
[15:12] <Symmetria> bgp, isis, eigrp, ospf, rip, mpls, bgp-lu, rsvp, ldp, the list goes on and on ;p
[15:13] <zipper> Symmetria: ISIS?
[15:13] <Symmetria> intermediate system - intermediate system
[15:13] <superfly> zipper: some food for thought: http://toykeeper.net/tutorials/bzr-vs-git/
[15:14] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[15:14] <Tonberry> hi
[15:15] <Symmetria> oh, I left out NAT, RSTP, STP, RFC, MTU, POP, OSI, LAN, LACP, DNS, ARP, ADSL
[15:15] <zipper> superfly: Keep your bzr and I'll do my thing.
[15:15] <Symmetria> :P and I bet I could find a ton more
[15:15] <Symmetria> lol
[15:16] <superfly> zipper: translated: *I'm not listening*
[15:16] <zipper> superfly: No when I told you that people only ask about my github and not even my bitbucket you said some condescending things.
[15:17] <zipper> superfly: So now you  want to rewrite my past experiences.
[15:17] <zipper> superfly: Based on your many years of experience.
[15:18] <superfly> I never said anything of the sort.
[15:19] <zipper> superfly: Dude you said it here "18:09:10   superfly | says the highschooler to the "veteran""
[15:20] <magellanic> Symmetria: try http://audacious-media-player.org/ (not sure if it got here before I dc'd)
[15:22] <zipper> superfly: So yeah I'm done with this. Go with bzr. I hope all linux users in africa contributes.
[15:23] <zipper> s/contributes/contribute/
[15:26] <zipper> However, if you want to make linux africa more of ubuntu africa by forcing all of cannonical's rules on the rest of linux you shall have a hard time.
[15:26] <Kilos> zipper enough now man
[15:27] <Kilos> no one is forcing anything on anyone
[15:27] <Kilos> see the finished product when done then decide for yourself
[15:28] <superfly> zipper: I have better things to do with my time than argue with a stubborn know-it-all. Excuse me, I have supper to make for my family.
[15:30] <zipper> Kilos: I said I'll go by whatever decision you make and I plan on doing that.
[15:30] <Kilos> good man
[15:31] <zipper> Kilos: I'm not even the one doing the name calling. I don't know why I'm the one you're mad at.
[15:32] <Kilos> im not mad at you lad just ive seen peeps before argue with the fly but in the end he is the one that is right
[15:32] <magellanic> anyone got their hands on ubuntu phone or rasp-pi2?
[15:32] <Kilos> many years of using linux professional gives one the background to know what is best normally
[15:35] <Kilos> hi gremble
[15:35] <gremble> Good afternoon fellas
[15:35] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[15:35] <magellanic> damn, gradle fetched 100/160M of dependencies before I dc'd, now it restarted the download
[15:35] <Kilos> ai!
[15:35] <gremble> magellanic: it uses wget if I recall, so it should continue where it leaves off?
[15:35] <magellanic> it sure didn't continue here..
[15:35] <Kilos> wget -c
[15:35] <gremble> Ouch
[15:36] <gremble> That is quite unfortunate. Also hello
[15:36] <magellanic> I don't know where it saves to either
[15:36] <Kilos> wget saves in /home
[15:36] <magellanic> may have found it, in /tmp, brb
[15:39] <magellanic> sigh, tried wget -c, with -o /tmp/partialfile, now I have to restart it
[15:40] <magellanic> -o was wrong :/
[15:41] <Kilos> what happens if you copy what is in /tmp to /home then wget -c
[15:42] <Kilos> hi poppingtonic
[15:42] <poppingtonic> Hi Kilos
[15:42] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:42] <magellanic> the partial file was 120M, I had to use -O, I used -o, which logs output to file, so it started logging to the partial and destroyed it
[15:42] <poppingtonic> thanks. I'm from #nairobilug
[15:43] <Kilos> ah
[15:43] <magellanic> welcome poppingtonic
[15:44] <Kilos> poppingtonic  you can also join #ubuntu-africa
[15:46] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[15:46] <magespawn> good afternoon
[15:47] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[15:47] <Kilos> zipper  why arent you in #ubuntu-africa too
[15:47] <magespawn> did you but any of the ubuntu-afric code in bzr/launchpad?
[15:48] <magespawn> ubuntu-africa
[15:48] <Kilos> yes magespawn  but ive messed up i think, want to get the fly to connect with this pc and see it running locally
[15:49] <Kilos> it runs lekker here
[15:49] <Kilos> but i went wrong routes i think
[15:50] <magespawn> i was going to say, when i had a loo at the link you gave me for launchpad there is no code there
[15:50] <magespawn> s/loo/look
[15:50] <Kilos> i cant get it to push to launchpad
[15:51] <magespawn> ahh
[15:51] <magespawn>  i am sure superfly will be able to tell what is going wrong
[15:51] <Kilos> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(chroot-76781840:///%2Bbranch/ubuntu-za/.bz/lock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport
[15:51] <Kilos> thats what it tells me
[15:52] <magespawn> did you google?
[15:52] <Kilos> no man i feel bad hassling him all the time. he is busy
[15:53] <Kilos> yes google says wow google cannot tind anything
[15:53] <Kilos> s/tind/find
[15:53] <magespawn> hassling google?
[15:54] <Kilos> ive worn google
[15:54] <Kilos> worn out
[15:54] <magespawn> wow that is impressive
[15:54] <Kilos> lol and i hate googling, always get wrong stuff
[15:56] <Kilos> and pages that lead to more and more pages
[15:56] <Kilos> then i get lost
[15:59] <magespawn> i have found some stuff, as soon as it loads and i can read it i will pass the links along
[15:59] <Kilos> ty
[15:59] <Trixar_za> The google-fu is weak in this one
[15:59]  * Trixar_za runs
[16:02] <magespawn> https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/145088
[16:02] <magespawn> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/leo-editor/AsrEMkJkTG8
[16:02] <Kilos> ty
[16:02] <magespawn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/qbzr/+bug/1094810
[16:03] <magespawn> these all seem similar to your problem
[16:03] <magespawn> but have a detailed read and see if it applies
[16:04] <Kilos> lemme try Probably either bzr unlock or bzr unlock2 will solve your problem.
[16:04] <magespawn> this is all new, so we are bound to make mistakes here
[16:05] <Kilos> my hassle came in with getting everything from ubuntu-za i think and then editting the conf files
[16:06] <Kilos> but  it runs so lekker locally
[16:08] <Kilos> ai! bzr: ERROR: unknown command "unlock"
[16:08] <Kilos> with both commands
[16:08]  * Kilos reads further
[16:10] <Kilos> bzr break-lock did something but with no feedback
[16:11] <Kilos> maybe i should wait for fly before i make it worse
[16:12] <magespawn> might be a good idea
[16:12] <Kilos> yeah otherwise he sjamboks me
[16:12] <magespawn> lol
[16:13] <Kilos> hehe
[16:13] <Kilos> they gave him a hippohide one too
[16:18] <Kilos> magespawn  do you have teamviewer?
[16:19] <Kilos> i need to check mine too, didnt work last time ian needed it
[16:21] <gremble> I have a perfectly maintained arch system for the last three years
[16:21] <gremble> I can't even maintain a linux mint system for a couple of months
[16:21] <gremble> haha
[16:22] <gremble> I get a random python error whenever I do something in bash
[16:22] <Kilos> hehe
[16:23] <gremble> I don't even feel bad
[16:23] <gremble> haha
[16:23] <Kilos> this kde 14.04 is about 1 year ols with no hassles apart fro when i zeroed the wrong drive
[16:23] <Kilos> s/ols/old
[16:24] <gremble> I'm going to nuke it
[16:24] <Kilos> haha
[16:24] <gremble> And install windows
[16:24] <Kilos> eish
[16:24]  * gremble vomits
[16:24] <gremble> Ya. I need windows for SAS and Altera
[16:24] <gremble> so I can use my FPGA
[16:25] <gremble> Getting it to work on linux is a hassle
[16:25] <Kilos> what are them things
[16:25] <Kilos> Maaz  define SAS
[16:25] <Maaz> Kilos: SAS n 1: a specialist regiment of the British army that is trained in commando techniques of warfare and used in clandestine operations (especially against terrorist groups) [syn: {Special Air Service}, {SAS}], SAS Session Active Screen (IBM) , SAS Simulation Automation System , SAS Statistical Analysis System , SAS Single Attachment Station (FDDI)
[16:25] <Kilos> hehe
[16:26] <gremble> SAS is some business analytics bullshit programming language thing that we use for statistical analysis
[16:26] <gremble> and an FPGA is a field programmable gate array. It is a piece of hardware on which you develop microchips essentially.
[16:26] <gremble> Hardware simulation etc
[16:26] <Kilos> aha
[16:28] <Kilos> i should actually join a channel for noobs
[16:28] <superfly> gremble: VirtualBox?
[16:28] <superfly> ah, FPGA
[16:29] <gremble> superfly, I have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get it running here
[16:29] <gremble> Hardware wise
[16:29] <superfly> yeah
[16:29] <gremble> So I might as well just skip it all
[16:29] <superfly> I've done some cool stuff emulating serial ports and stuff, but FPGA is a different matter
[16:30] <gremble> I will have to sit and get it to work with linux some time
[16:30] <gremble> But not today
[16:30] <gremble> I just want to play now
[16:30] <Kilos> lol
[16:30] <Kilos> when you do keep detailed records of how to do it
[16:32] <gremble> I'm going to write those records and then sha-512 them and tell the CSIR that I am the only one that knows how to do it
[16:32] <gremble> :P
[16:32] <Kilos> lol
[16:38] <magespawn> hold them to ransom? :)
[16:38] <magellanic> anyone in Cpt interested in the google I/O extended viewing party: https://plus.google.com/events/cqlm8speeh32melhm9r9dp81ccs, you are invited
[17:25] <magespawn> just ran ping, and i got the second packet back first
[17:25] <magespawn> wierd
[17:27] <captine> thanks all that responded to my question.. sorry, my son woke so i dissapeared to sort him out, then mow the lawns etc etc etc
[17:40] <Kilos> haha magellanic  something wrong there
[17:41] <Kilos> ai!
[17:41] <Kilos> that was for magespawn
[17:41] <magellanic> hm?
[17:41] <magellanic> ah
[17:41] <Kilos> sorry
[17:42] <magellanic> np
[17:55] <Kilos> wb magellanic
[17:55] <Kilos> ai!
[17:55] <Kilos> magespawn
[18:17] <superfly> magellanic: are you involved with that sort of thing? GDG, etc?
[18:19] <captine> so... hostname newname and editing /etc/hosts then rebooting does not change my hostname (name at login)...  confusing me
[18:19] <Kilos> lol join the family
[18:20]  * Kilos totally confussed as well
[18:20] <inetpro> captine: see /etc/hostname
[18:20] <inetpro> good evening
[18:20] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[18:20] <captine> thanks inetpro
[18:21] <captine> i am trying to get a script to do the change, for when I clone a kvm machine
[18:21] <magellanic> superfly: yep, I'm one of the organizers for the local gdg
[18:21] <Kilos> inetpro  13 days to complete your wiki page
[18:21] <magellanic> heya inetpro
[18:22] <inetpro> captine: hmm... not sure if it's that simple these day but I think that is how I used to change hostnames
[18:22] <inetpro> magellanic: hi
[18:23] <inetpro> good to see you around again
[18:23] <magespawn> captine: how old is the son now?
[18:23] <captine> the command "sudo hostname newname" is meant to change it, but once rebooting, it goes back to the original
[18:23] <captine> he is 1 year and 1 month
[18:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:23] <captine> few more weeks he will be 1 year and 2 months
[18:23] <Kilos> still small
[18:23] <captine> :).  yip.  his sister arrives in 1.5 weeks...
[18:23] <Kilos> yay
[18:24] <captine> so might go off irc etc for a few weeks/months/years :)
[18:24] <Kilos> just notify us first please
[18:24] <Kilos> we need to pass out the cigars
[18:25] <magespawn> hang on captine i had to do this for my asterisk box on centos
[18:25] <magespawn> let  me think
[18:25] <magellanic> captine: the hostname command changes it on the runtime, does not persist it in config, so it has to be changed in config as well
[18:25] <inetpro> zipper: git was made popular by github but there's nothing wrong with bzr
[18:26] <magellanic>  /etc/hostname sounds about right
[18:26] <captine> magespawn, trying now.. want to do a script once i get the manual method nailed
[18:29] <magespawn> you have to edit /etc/hostname to make it permanent
[18:29] <inetpro> superfly: what is nice about git is that you even get git clients like SGit for Android these days
[18:30] <superfly> magellanic: you know Dale?
[18:30] <magespawn> captine on ubuntu i am assuming
[18:30] <captine> uip
[18:30] <captine> got it to work
[18:31] <magespawn> ineptro i think github has their own app out now too
[18:31] <inetpro> would be nice if we could get an equivalent for bzr
[18:32] <magellanic> superfly: yes. I'm hiren :)
[18:32] <superfly> magellanic: ah!
[18:32] <superfly> magellanic: my apologies, nick<->name
[18:32] <magespawn> captine i think that uses a system script to set the hostname at boot
[18:32] <magellanic> all good ;)
[18:32] <magespawn> let me get a link
[18:33] <magespawn> here you go http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/07/how-to-change-the-hostname-of-a-linux-system/
[18:33] <captine> thanks, script looks like this http://pastebin.com/9hRZm1Dg
[18:33] <zipper> inetpro: LOL you want to bring that up now?
[18:33] <zipper> After all the name calling that I was subjected to?
[18:34] <captine> tried bin.snyman.info from the irc topic, but got a server 500 error or something
[18:34] <captine> going to neaten it up a bit
[18:35] <inetpro> zipper: don't take it personally
[18:36] <zipper> inetpro: It's all good. I won't talk about version control here though.
[18:37] <inetpro> zipper: haha, trust me he has a bit of experience
[18:38] <magellanic> inetpro: how are things your side, long time indeed
[18:38] <inetpro> magellanic: hectic is the new normal
[18:39] <magellanic> in a good way I hope..
[18:40] <inetpro> magellanic: no big stress, just never enough time to do everything that needs to be done
[18:41] <inetpro> all about setting priorities in life
[18:41] <magespawn> never enough time to learn everything that needs to learn't
[18:41] <magellanic> ah yeah, it's a constant battle hey
[18:42] <inetpro> sometimes you get them right, other times you miss the boat a bit
[18:43] <zipper> inetpro: Experience doesn't mean always right and I'm not even afraid because time will tell.
[18:43] <magellanic> indeed magespawn
[18:43] <zipper> inetpro: Whether he was right or not will partly be judged by the uptake of whatever you're doing by the community.
[18:44] <zipper> inetpro: and with that I am almost sure linux users outside ubuntu will feel locked out.
[18:45] <inetpro> zipper: we're a ubuntu channel after all
[18:45] <magellanic> anyone else making a plan during load shedding as this dude? http://www.htxt.co.za/2015/02/10/beat-loadshedding-on-a-budget-take-your-tech-solar-for-r1-271/
[18:46] <magellanic> wondering if I can get those parts in cpt, or alternatives
[18:46] <inetpro> magellanic: that looks a bit cheap
[18:46]  * inetpro has been told to rather spend a bit more on a good battery
[18:47] <magellanic> I want something cheap though, but yeah I hear you
[18:47] <inetpro> if it's cheap it doesn't last long
[18:48] <inetpro> end up wasting your money
[18:48] <zipper> inetpro: True this is why I didn't want to go back to that argument. Because I'm not even from SA so my opinion doesn't matter. What matters is that south african ubuntu users can join and feel at home.
[18:49] <zipper> inetpro: and if bzr is the choice that ubuntu users in SA want to use. It's all good.
[18:50] <inetpro> zipper: ubuntu is a popular distro even outside of South Africa
[18:50] <zipper> inetpro: You're right.
[18:51] <magespawn> inetpro i think those batteries are the small one similar to what you get inside a UPS
[18:51] <zipper> inetpro: and the target is ubuntu users in SA am I wrong?
[18:52] <inetpro> zipper: well for this channel or any other ubuntu-xxx channel obviously we're mostly trying to help other ubuntu users
[18:53] <inetpro> zipper: but there's nothing wrong with people using other Linux distros
[18:53] <magespawn> magellanic the battery they have there is a small one, i would rather be looking at the deep cycle batteries that they use for electric wheel chairs etc
[18:53] <inetpro> canonical is not making our rules
[18:53] <inetpro> we're a local community
[18:55] <magellanic> magespawn: how expensive do they get though, it's hard to shop components with such a wide variety and quality, and I know almost nothing about solar/batteries..
[18:55] <magellanic> digging up a bit over next few days though, before I go out and get something
[18:55] <inetpro> magellanic: you really want deep cycle batteries
[18:56] <magespawn> the deep cycle ones will start at around R800 but would run a laptop for about 12 hours i would reckon
[18:56] <magellanic> okay I'll look into them
[18:56] <inetpro> magellanic: shop around!!! Don't take the first best quote
[18:57] <magellanic> yes I'll look around a bit
[18:57] <magellanic> I like his setup in the link though, panel and battery, and it powers his laptop and 2 pi's during an outage
[18:57] <magespawn> so if you use one of the car charger adaptors so you skip the ac/dc conversion of your laptop power supply
[18:58]  * inetpro still needs to read that in more details, looks interesting indeed
[18:58] <magellanic> magespawn: cool noted, no car charger here, but I'll look into its cost too
[18:59] <magespawn> i do not know what the charge time of those batteries is though, and what size the optima panel would be
[18:59] <inetpro> for me powering up my IT equipment would also be my first priority before anything else
[18:59] <magellanic> yeah, need to take all that into consideration
[19:00] <magespawn> a side note on the gate motor, most are 12v, they run themselves from the batteries, never taking directly form the mains, so how you charge them is up to you
[19:00] <magellanic> oh yes, the link mentions the gate also runs off it
[19:00] <magespawn> and they do use the small batteries found in most ups
[19:00] <magellanic> charged by the panel too
[19:01] <magespawn> if you were going to get really involved you could have the batteries charge from the mains when on and solar when not
[19:02] <inetpro> I can survive with a cold shower and cooking I can do with firewood or gas but
[19:02]  * inetpro can't survive without interwebs these days
[19:03] <magellanic> don't want to get really involved :P cheap as possible, power the internet and laptop/pi
[19:03] <magespawn> 12v led lights and then wire all the lights onto the batteries at the db board so you can have light too
[19:03] <magellanic> yeah that also sounds interesting
[19:03] <magellanic> in terms of cost saving
[19:03] <magespawn> there are 12 v lights that fit normal light fitings but are a tad pricey
[19:04] <magespawn> they are long life though
[19:04] <magespawn> led i think
[19:37] <Kilos> hi octoquad  poppingtonic
[19:37] <octoquad> evening Kilos
[19:38] <poppingtonic> hi Kilos
[20:10] <Kilos> inetpro  fix it
[20:10] <inetpro> fix what Kilos?
[20:11] <Kilos> everything. fly fixed things for me and i broke it again im sure
[20:13] <Kilos> like i have a branch called new-contact-page i think
[20:13] <Kilos> but cant cd to it to work in it
[20:15] <Kilos> like you cd Projects then cd ubuntu-africa
[20:15] <Kilos> then cd trunk
[20:17] <inetpro> ai!
[20:17] <inetpro> Maaz: assumption
[20:17] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[20:18] <Kilos> he helping agin i forgot something
[20:23] <captine> night all
[20:28] <inetpro> Kilos: I can't help you if I'm assuming that you're doing your project based on incorrect assumtions
[20:29] <Kilos> lol
[20:29] <Kilos> ya i assume im doing the right thing but i am not
[20:30] <inetpro> remember, the fly's tutorial starts with having the project code on LP to begin with
[20:32] <Kilos> something wrong here because bzr branch trunk new-contact-page finds 2 trunks
[20:32] <inetpro> you're doing it wrong
[20:32] <Kilos> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/miles/Projects/ubuntu-africa/trunk/trunk/".
[20:33] <Kilos> i dont see the second trunk
[20:34] <Kilos> maybe i must start from scratch
[20:34] <inetpro> Kilos: YDIW
[20:34] <Kilos> YDIW
[20:34] <Kilos> ?
[20:35] <Kilos> Maaz  define YDIW
[20:35] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?
[20:36] <inetpro> Maaz: YDIW
[20:36] <Maaz> YDIW stands for You're Doing It Wrong
[20:36] <Kilos> ai!
[20:37] <Kilos> Maaz  YDIW is <reply> You're Doing It Wrong Twit
[20:37] <Maaz> Kilos: I already know stuff about YDIW
[20:37] <Kilos> Maaz  ydiw
[20:37] <inetpro> is also
[20:37] <Maaz> YDIW stands for You're Doing It Wrong
[20:38] <Kilos> i think ill take everything out of this Projects and move it somewhere else then start again
[20:39] <Kilos> hope i havent messed up anything at launchpad
[20:51] <magellanic> what command throws that error at you?
[20:54] <superfly> magellanic: it's OK, we've sorted it out.
[20:55] <magellanic> okay cool
[20:55]  * Kilos the twit
[20:55] <Kilos> was in wrong directory
[20:55] <magellanic> happens..
[20:55] <Kilos> trying to branch from a branch
[20:56] <Kilos> night superfly  ty for the help
[20:56] <Kilos> sleep lekker
[20:57] <magellanic> yep I'm off too, keep well folks
[20:57] <Kilos> night magellanic
[20:57] <Kilos> nice seeing you here
[20:57] <superfly> Kilos: you can branch from inside a branch too, you just have to use "."  and then branch somewhere externally "../new-branch"
[20:57] <Kilos> eish
[20:58] <superfly> anyways, my eyelids are closing, so I'd better zzz
[20:59] <stickyboy> I'm curious to try FreeBSD or DragonFly.
[20:59] <stickyboy> I like the DragonFly guys.
[20:59] <stickyboy> Serious engineering over there.
[20:59] <magespawn> good night all
[21:09] <Kilos> i go sleep before i mess up more
[21:09] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[00:55] <vindav> Hi there. Am looking to get some advise for using FFmpeg in Ubuntu Linux 10.04 LTS, as I am encountering an increasing audio delay behind the video that I am actually seeing.  Anybody know a fix for this ?
[00:58] <philipballew> your playing the video with ffmpeg?
[02:22] <goddard> holstein: external i thought usually means USB or Firewire where network drive would be a computer haha .. NAS box? but what ever yeah a USB dood
[02:22] <goddard> why can i save files to my network drives ?
[02:22] <goddard> cant?
[04:00] <goddard> there isn't even an option in my save file dialog box
[04:00] <goddard> like when i right click and save a file in Firefox
[04:00] <goddard> how can i save files to a network drive?
[08:49] <nlsthzn> Could someone have a look at this post of mine and give any suggestions as to what the issue may be - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11614760#post11614760
[08:55] <geirha> Do the paths exist? and have you checked their permissions?
[09:03] <nlsthzn> hmmm... two channels for assistance :p
[10:31] <ashickur-noor> how to search in nautilus
[10:31] <ashickur-noor> in previous version of nautilus when I press a char it it start seraching
[10:32] <geirha> That's still the case for me in 11.10
[10:32] <nothingspecial> me too
[10:32] <ashickur-noor> how to active it?
[10:32] <geirha> Make sure the right part of the nautilus window has the focus
[11:30] <coalwater> hello
[11:33] <benonsoftware> Hello coal water
[11:35] <benonsoftware> s/coal water/coalwater
[11:47] <coalwater> s/ // ;) lol
[11:47] <coalwater> hey benonsoftware
[11:47] <coalwater> hows things going
[11:47] <benonsoftware> Fine thanks, yourself
[11:48]  * benonsoftware is hopeing to do a late night coding session
[11:50] <coalwater> what kind of coding
[12:09] <benonsoftware> Website
[12:26]  * ashickur-noor back
[12:27]  * ashickur-noor is tension
[13:07] <coalwater> benonsoftware: php ?
[13:13] <benonsoftware> Na, just HTML and CSS ATM
[13:14] <benonsoftware> coalwater: ^^
[14:43] <nothingspecial> and here as well
[14:43] <nothingspecial> hobgoblin,
[14:44] <hobgoblin> lol
[14:54] <coalwater> benonsoftware: aww lol
[14:54] <coalwater> i want php lol
[14:56] <benonsoftware> coalwater: Well my website is on pho
[14:56] <hobgoblin> coalwater: go to my forum profile - there's a PHP there for you
[14:57] <coalwater> benonsoftware: i think u have a typo in ur post , u wrote Oulenteers
[14:57] <coalwater> in the website
[14:58] <benonsoftware> coalwater: That's iPad auto correct :p
[14:58] <coalwater> stupid auto correct
[14:58] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[14:59] <coalwater> i always disable those
[15:00] <benonsoftware> I should but can't be stuffed with the keyboard
[15:01] <coalwater> stuffed?
[15:02] <hobgoblin> coalwater: bothered
[15:03] <coalwater> thanks :D
[19:02] <MrChrisDruif> JoseeAntonioR; you were having a Unity issue?
[19:02] <JoseeAntonioR> MrChrisDruif Nothing at all.
[19:03] <MrChrisDruif> No?
[19:03] <JoseeAntonioR> MrChrisDruif No, why?
[19:03] <MrChrisDruif> Curious because of the comments in -team
[19:04] <JoseeAntonioR> Unit193 was talking about it.
[19:05] <Unit193> Asking if he had it. Poor MrChrisDruif, so confused
[19:05] <MrChrisDruif> *NOT ANY MORE!* ^_^
[19:32] <danik> helo ?
[19:32] <holstein> danik: just akd
[19:32] <holstein> ask*
[19:33] <danik> ok im new and i just want your help to explain what does suid exactlly do
[19:34] <danik> i just know about permissions and other things but i cant get SUID
[19:34] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid may help
[19:35] <danik> oh shit sorry for wasting your time i googled but didnt found this page
[19:37] <holstein> danik: carefull, we try and keep this a family show :)
[19:39] <danik> holstein look i read that but i cant still get it look we set execute for a otherusers
[19:39] <danik> and we can still use suid too whats the difference ? :(
[19:49] <holstein> danik: what are you trying to do?
[19:50] <danik> holstein : im trying to learn ubuntu sir :P
[19:50] <holstein> danik: i have been using ubuntu/linux for about 6years now exclusively
[19:50] <holstein> i have never needed suid
[19:50] <danik> just wondering whats difference of execute and
[19:50] <danik> *-*
[19:50] <holstein> i can help you find documentation about what it is/does
[19:51] <holstein> i use sudo all the time
[19:51] <holstein> the difference in execute and not is just that
[19:51] <holstein> it's an executable
[19:52] <danik> OH shit i didnt get anything
[19:52] <danik> you mean i put suid  away for now ?
[19:52] <holstein> danik: you need to be cafeful with your language in this channel please
[19:52] <danik> oh sorry :/
[19:53] <holstein> danik: you can just say to me "im tring to execute this script" or "im installing this" or "trying to run whatever.sh"
[19:53] <holstein> i can help with that
[19:53] <danik> ok sir thx alot for your help
[19:54] <holstein> if you want to know the overall need for suid, it seems to allow running as another user
[19:54] <holstein> running executables..
[19:54] <holstein> check out http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1289244/compile-shell-script-so-can-use-suid for example
[19:56] <danik> thank you very much sir
[20:53] <iggy19_> if I turn off an alias, does it stay locked, or can I turn it back on later?
[20:57] <iggy19_> doh!
[20:57] <iggy19_> wrong chan
[21:18] <isiah> hi all
[21:42] <isiah> anyone know a super easy way to setup a website? I was thinking of putting up a tutorial.
[21:44]  * benonsoftware does
[21:45] <benonsoftware> isiah: What do you exactly mean?
[21:46] <tenach> isiah, There are so many ways to put a website online that your question can be taken to be rather vague.
[21:49] <BigOrange> As a complete noob, with no idea how to use dreamweaver, I got on fine with the tools at Godaddy... Turned out I didn't need a website, I just liked the Idea, so got rid, but still as a no nothing noob I found it very easy to understand. Was this the kind of thing you meant? like an all in one package?
[21:51] <holstein> maybe just a wordpress or blogger blog... or something like weebly... an ubutu wiki page if its relavant
[21:52] <Unit193> Many people like drupal and joomla too, those are CMS
[21:58] <benonsoftware> I personal use WordPress for my website
[21:58] <isiah> umm ok. I think I am going to use google blogger for now
[21:59] <holstein> wordpress has a lot of plugs too... i think drupal is my fav
[21:59] <holstein> i use blogger though... the price is right :)
[21:59] <isiah> kinda just want something like all those other tutorial sites
[21:59] <isiah> bunch of links to different pages
[21:59] <isiah> and on each page some code with a description
[22:00] <isiah> i was reading online on how to host it on your computer and it seemed like a bad idea
[22:00] <holstein> isiah: link one, and im sure one of us will know what it is
[22:01] <holstein> isiah: its not easy... and i say its not necessary with free sites like blogger and wordpress
[22:01] <isiah> kinda like this
[22:02] <isiah> http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/
[22:02] <holstein> if you want to know how, its not all that complex... just something you want to read up about the security of
[22:02] <holstein> yeah, you can have a look like that with anything really
[22:02] <isiah> yeah i know it is simple but I have no idea where to get started
[22:03] <holstein> isiah:  just pick one, and dive in... in blogger, you can edit the layout easily
[22:03] <isiah> and well I am writing a guide for work on this anyhow so i figured i would make a webpage while i am at it
[22:03] <holstein> i usually suggest these appliances http://www.turnkeylinux.org/
[22:04] <holstein> they run great live, and are great learning tools.. easy to virtualize too if you have the resources
[22:07] <isiah> ok something to look into i guess
[22:08] <isiah> I will continue writing the guide for now.
[22:16] <BigOrange> Isiah: Just wanted to thank you for bringing this up, made me check an old email address to see who I used and realised I've got a subscription to LiveJournal going out next week I don't want to pay  ;)
[22:24] <isiah> bigorange: ha, glad i could be of help
[23:05] <cjm> hello
[23:32] <BigOrange> cjm: hello!