[00:05] <ralsina> mmcc: twisted throws an exception that says "connection closed cleanly". So not surprised there :-(
[08:06] <JamesTait> Happy middle-of-the-week, everyone! :-D
[08:15]  * czajkowski waves to mandel
[10:32] <czajkowski> I spy mandel
[11:11] <gatox> good morning!
[12:01] <alecu> hello all!
[12:05] <gatox> alecu, hi
[12:12] <gatox> alecu,  i have the example syncmenu working with python..... i don't know if you saw my email.... i was missing the new method..... because App was creating the instance and it says that it doeesn't take any arg.... now its working :D
[12:13] <alecu> gatox: great!
[12:13] <alecu> gatox: yes, I saw the email from charles too.
[12:14] <mandel> alecu, sorr for yesterday.. I left suddenly cause I managed to badly break my machine
[12:14] <mandel> to the point of re-install..
[12:14] <alecu> mandel: ugh!
[12:15] <mandel> alecu, yes, I wasted a few hours fixing the thing..
[12:15] <mandel> alecu, the good news is that I've started fixing the dash bugs because the preview is 'done' (waiting on a visual design with details about fonts, spaces etc..)
[12:16] <mandel> alecu, first one I'm tackling is the PreviewStateMachine which is the one that is not showing the second preview correctly
[12:16] <alecu> mandel: awesome!
[12:16] <mandel> and that guy I already have 'hacked' to just show the back button with payment preview but not the right one, so we get the preview for payment and can get back to the other
[12:16] <mandel> alecu, need to talk with ux about it though
[12:17] <alecu> mandel: awesome.
[12:17] <mandel> alecu, other bug is the focus of key events that are all hidden by the global search, I know where to look at, no idea if I'll be able to fix it..
[12:18] <mandel> I'm off to lunch with chipaca, catch you after lunch :)
[12:18] <alecu> mandel: right... well, is that nux stuff or dash stuff?
[12:18] <alecu> mandel: sure, have lunch, let's mumble when you get back.
[12:19] <mandel> alecu,  dash problems, nux does it ok
[12:35] <dobey> hmm
[12:35] <dobey> gatox: ah, you had to call SyncMenu.App.new()?
[12:36] <dobey> so the gir is broken i guess :)
[12:36] <gatox> dobey, yap
[12:52] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:53] <ralsina> I am again in a bar because apparently my internet connection fails every morning at 9:10 AM
[12:57] <gatox> ralsina, hi!
[12:57] <ralsina> hi gatox, saw your emails, so, did that work?
[12:57] <gatox> ralsina, yep..... i'm moving forward
[13:01] <ralsina> awesome
[13:04] <gatox> ralsina, it was a silly thing.... but causes a lot of segmentation faults :P
[13:04] <ralsina> yes saw it, missing optional mandatory parameter ;-)
[13:05] <gatox> the funny thing is that i tried to do it on App('id')..... but it says that it doesn't take any arg..... so, i dismiss it
[13:07] <gatox> brb
[13:12] <vila_> mmcc: pingeling
[13:12] <ralsina> vila_: still a bit early formmcc
[13:12] <ralsina> vila_: probably in an hour or so
[13:13] <ralsina> vila_: we need to schedule the testing later in the day, sorry for not noticing
[13:14] <gatox> back
[13:45] <dobey> ralsina: review for https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client-data/update-4-0/+merge/123965 please?
[13:45] <ralsina> dobey: got it
[14:08] <rye> ralsina: are we getting an indicator this cycle for Ubuntu?
[14:08] <ralsina> rye: yes
[14:08] <ralsina> rye: actually, we are getting integrated into unity's new "sync menu"
[14:09] <ralsina> dobey: +1
[14:10] <rye> ralsina: i can has sync menu, i am on Quantal!
[14:10] <rye> ?
[14:11] <ralsina> rye: it's still ... not finished? ;)
[14:12] <dobey> doh, forgot to tweak the reviewer/subscription settings
[14:12] <ralsina> rye: you can have almost the same functionality by installing sni-qt and running u1cp --with-icon
[14:12] <ralsina> rye: the final integrated version will not require you to run u1cp all the time, though
[14:16] <chaselivingston> hey guys, got a new darwin build i can test? :)
[14:17] <ralsina> mmcc: ping ^
[14:17] <ralsina> chaselivingston: mmcc was doing one last night, but I have not seen it
[14:17] <rye> ralsina: http://ubuntuone.com/4o0qdudDJxlRdYQBvzXFd1 :)
[14:18] <rye> ralsina: it was this way for 5 seconds then loaded properly
[14:18] <ralsina> rye: looking...
[14:18] <chaselivingston> ralsina: gotcha, was just chatting w/ roberta and she mentioned there were plans to send something to QA soon so i wanted to try and get that build, the one i currently have doesn't work very well :)
[14:18] <ralsina> chaselivingston: yes, the plan was getting it done today
[14:19] <ralsina> rye: ugh, but yes, that has been happening lately
[15:00] <ralsina> me
[15:00] <dobey> me
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:00] <mmcc> me
[15:01] <briancurtin> me
[15:01] <ralsina> alecu, thisfred: say me
[15:01] <alecu> me
[15:01] <ralsina> thisfred: you are last.  Get the same C example working on Python. Start looking at ubuntuone-client to see where it should be integrated.
[15:02] <gatox> TODO:
[15:02] <gatox> Write the tests and implement the SyncMenu in u1-client
[15:02] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:02] <gatox> No
[15:02] <gatox> mmcc, go
[15:02] <mmcc> DONE: testing launchd daemon, quit problems
[15:02] <mmcc> TODO: build, qa,
[15:02] <mmcc> NEXT: briancurtin
[15:02] <briancurtin> DONE: webclient porting, 1-1
[15:02] <briancurtin> TODO: keep pushing on to reduce failures, working on webclient oauth tests right now
[15:02] <briancurtin> NEXT: alecu
[15:02] <alecu> DONE: dug deeper in the depths of vala and our webservices
[15:02] <alecu> TODO: find a vala way to turn async code inside out
[15:02] <alecu> BLOCKED: kinda
[15:02] <alecu> NEXT: thisfred
[15:03] <thisfred> DONE: u1db basic auth / server playlists TODO: u1db server playlists BLOCKED: no
[15:03] <ralsina> ok, comments?
[15:03] <alecu> gatox: "Get the same C example working on Python." <- great!
[15:03] <gatox> alecu, thx :D
[15:04] <ralsina> EOM then
[15:05] <mmcc> I saw the pings - I didn't get back to the computer last night, building a new .app now.
[15:05] <ralsina> mmcc: cool
[15:11] <thisfred> ralsina, reminder that I will be gone for 2 weeks starting sept. 24, on account of getting the hell out of Dodge/Baltimore.
[15:12] <ralsina> thisfred: awesome :-)
[15:12] <ralsina> thisfred: to Portland right?
[15:13] <thisfred> yep, we found a place
[15:13] <ralsina> thisfred: cool
[15:13] <mmcc> thisfred: what part of town will you be in?
[15:13] <thisfred> mmcc, north east of the river, I think it's called Boise
[15:13] <ralsina> Isn't Boise the capital of Idaho?
[15:14] <ralsina> random inaccurate data, brought to you by ralsina, encyclopedia of useless and slightly off data.
[15:14] <pedronis> ralsina: name reuse is popular anyway
[15:15] <chaselivingston> mmcc: any news on an updated darwin build?
[15:15] <thisfred> ralsina, it is, but it's also the name of the neighbourhood
[15:15] <ralsina> pedronis: goes to show cartography is not real science. Imagine if we called random animals "dogs" just because.
[15:15] <mmcc> chaselivingston: in progress now. my apologies for not having it yesterday
[15:16] <chaselivingston> mmcc: not a problem, just making sure i hadn't missed it :)
[15:16] <ralsina> thisfred: hope the rat population is under control there :-)
[15:16] <ralsina> thisfred: and that they are not part of the typical local cuisine
[15:16] <thisfred> ralsina, it is physically impossible that it is worse than here
[15:16] <ralsina> thisfred: and other random scary fake anecdotes about baltimore you have fed me over two years ;-)
[15:17] <thisfred> it's not all bad, but the bad parts are pretty bad.
[15:17] <briancurtin> ralsina: you should watch the TV series "The Wire"
[15:17] <pedronis> ralsina: oh the big fun of when people give you a city name and a street name in the US but not the state
[15:17] <ralsina> pedronis: evergreen avenue, springfield!
[15:17] <thisfred> and Baltimore the good parts might be thinner than Javascript the good parts ;)
[15:17] <briancurtin> *evergreen terrace
[15:17] <ralsina> oops, sorry
[15:17] <dobey> heh
[15:17] <ralsina> it's 'avenida siempreviva' in spanish, so I was guessing ;-)
[15:18] <thisfred> actually Matt Groening is from Portland
[15:18] <dobey> so are skinny jeans
[15:18] <ralsina> so is cement?
[15:19] <thisfred> so is Stumptown Coffee, so I still win :)
[15:19] <mmcc> ralsina: Isle of Portland in Dorset
[15:19] <thisfred> not to mention Voodoo donuts
[15:19] <dobey> eh
[15:20] <mmcc> btw thisfred, you are ~3 miles from Kenny & Zuke's Delicatessen.  "Better." "Better?" "Better get a bucket."
[15:21] <ralsina> thisfred: it's my <ol>  of buckets
[15:21] <thisfred> mmcc, have heard great things about Pok Pok. I think they recently opened a restaurant in NY too
[15:22] <dobey> there's a Nando's in Washington D.C. now
[15:23] <dobey> and mattgriffin still wins. he has the moth
[15:24] <thisfred> That's a great place, I admit. But there's great restaurants in Baltimore too. Portland just has a ton more, and a lot more cheap and good options.
[15:24] <thisfred> lots of food trucks too
[15:26] <dobey> hooray; ubuntuone-installer is gone.
[15:26] <thisfred> also, we have a brewery across the street. This could prove a mistake.
[15:26] <dobey> now if we can get rid of ubuntuone-couch
[15:27] <thisfred> dobey, or at least rename it to u1-auth or something, and take out the couch parts
[15:27] <dobey> well, that was one of the other many projects i didn't get around to this cycle
[15:28] <dobey> moving all the "credentials" stuff for u1 into ubuntuone-credentials, and getting rid of u1-couch
[15:28] <thisfred> yeah
[15:28] <dobey> but maybe i'll do that first thing after the 12.10 release
[15:28] <dobey> just to get it done
[15:29] <ralsina> dobey: good idea
[15:29] <ralsina> dobey: we could clean up a lot of that sort of things
[15:29] <dobey> or maybe today if i get furious enough
[15:30] <dobey> i'm sure release team would ♥ me doing another FFE/newpackage/MIR today
[15:31] <ralsina> dobey: have some calmdown tea :-)
[15:32] <ralsina> dobey: and let's set aside a couple of weeks right after release to wreak havoc
[15:32] <thisfred> that's not the one made from coca leaves
[15:33] <mmcc> thisfred: just noticed that http://slappycakes.com/ isn't on that list… if you like breakfast foods, that's a fun spot
[15:33] <ralsina> thisfred: coca tea is both delicious, and seriously WAKEUPDUDE effective
[15:33] <thisfred> Yeah I had it in Cordoba
[15:34] <mmcc> oops, this build will have the share links tab in it again…
[15:34] <thisfred> thx, another one for the list
[15:37] <dobey> thisfred: you were not there for the platform sprint were you?
[15:38]  * dobey doesn't remember
[15:38] <mmcc> ugh, moving a big .zip into a watched folder with the root daemon generates a MakeFile but no upload action…
[15:39] <mmcc> >_<
[15:39] <thisfred> dobey, where? Portland? no, I've only ever been there when I was going to a wedding in Seattle.
[15:39]  * gatox lunch
[15:40] <dobey> thisfred: yeah. this place was pretty good: http://www.veritablequandary.com/
[15:41] <thisfred> menu looks awesome yeah
[15:41] <thisfred> and brunch
[15:41] <mmcc> mmmm, brunch
[15:41] <dobey> mmm, elevensies
[15:45] <mmcc> here's the most recent build of the mac client: http://ubuntuone.com/6WRvVdrg5EJc1alQM6EFb9
[15:45] <mmcc> cc chaselivingston ---^
[15:45] <chaselivingston> mmcc: thanks :)
[15:46] <mmcc> you will have to change or delete your syncdaemon.conf to enable the new daemon. there's info in the README inside that .zip
[15:46] <chaselivingston> mmcc: cool, thanks for the heads up
[15:46] <ralsina> vila: ^
[15:47] <mmcc> btw, chaselivingston and vila - this has a non-working share links tab. I will need to re-remove (or fix) that for our public release. but fyi, don't expect that to work
[15:48] <chaselivingston> mmcc: ack
[15:48] <vila> mmcc: ghaa, just finished my tests :-/
[15:48] <mmcc> vila: d'oh
[15:48] <vila> mmcc: which went pretty well, so we certainly do need more ;)
[15:49] <mmcc> vila: confused - need more tests?
[15:50] <ralsina> mmcc: of course. There are always bugs, so if the tests pass, we need more tests :-)
[15:51] <vila> mmcc: if you mention some fix to remove or things that don't work and I didn't encounter any issues, I need to have more tests that would have reveal that ;)
[15:51] <mmcc> aha. and here I thought I could just go to brunch :)
[15:51] <vila> mmcc: go to brunch !
[15:52] <mmcc> :) kidding, I just got here. I'm going to see if I can reproduce this sync bug with the new daemon that I ran into trying to upload the new build
[15:54] <chaselivingston> mmcc: remind me how to see the waiting transfers and such w/ u1sdtool?
[15:54] <mmcc> % ./UbuntuOne.app/Contents/Resources/U1SDTool.app/Contents/MacOS/u1sdtool --current-transfers
[15:56] <chaselivingston> mmcc: ack, thanks
[15:56] <mmcc> brb, coffee
[15:59] <chaselivingston> mmcc: seem to be stuck at file sync starting… fwiw i wasn't asked for my admin password
[16:05] <ralsina> I am running out of battery, so will have to head back home, and either hope the internet there works, or grab the power adapter and head bac out.
[16:05] <ralsina> So, will be back eventually.
[16:11] <dobey> need to get lunch, bbiab
[16:15] <thisfred> all this talk of brunch made me fry eggs and bacon
[16:23] <mmcc> chaselivingston: hmm. you should've been asked. can you paste the contents of your controlpanel.log?
[16:24] <chaselivingston> mmcc: where is that located?
[16:25] <mmcc> chaselivingston: ~/Library/Caches/ubuntuone/log/controlpanel.log
[16:25] <mmcc> chaselivingston: also, can you check if you have more than one ubuntuone-syncdaemon process running?
[16:26] <chaselivingston> mmcc: https://pastebin.canonical.com/74338/
[16:26] <chaselivingston> mmcc: did check that, only saw one
[16:27]  * mmcc had to go get my phone for 2-factor… looking now
[16:28] <mmcc> chaselivingston: ok, it looks like maybe you already had the daemon installed from one of the earlier builds. this shouldn't be a problem for people who only had the alpha from two weeks ago, but you've been using other builds, right?
[16:29] <chaselivingston> mmcc: right
[16:29] <mmcc> so can you paste the results of 'sudo launchctl list com.ubuntu.one.fsevents'
[16:30] <chaselivingston> mmcc: https://pastebin.canonical.com/74339/
[16:30] <mmcc> and the resultlts of 'grep com.ubuntu /var/log/system.log'
[16:32] <chaselivingston> mmcc: https://pastebin.canonical.com/74340/
[16:34] <mmcc> ok, I think it's an old version - so, quit the app, make sure syncdaemon is dead, then remove the existing daemon with 'sudo launchctl remove com.ubuntu.one.fsevents', and try restarting the app again. it should ask for your password then
[16:35] <chaselivingston> mmcc: ah, there we go, asked for password and now file sync is in progress
[16:38] <chaselivingston> mmcc: seems to be syncing as well
[16:41] <mmcc> chaselivingston: great. If you have a chance, can you test dragging a file into the watched folder using the finder works? That's the bug I ran into. I have a hunch that it's ignoring some event flags, but I wanted to be sure it's not just me
[16:42] <chaselivingston> mmcc: i actually did that earlier and it shows up on the web
[16:42] <mmcc> hrm. ok, thanks!
[16:42] <chaselivingston> mmcc: no problem!
[16:44] <mandel> I cannot believe that compiz crashes as much as it does..
[17:28]  * alecu is off to have lunch and run some errands
[18:24] <alecu> and I'm back
[18:43] <gatox> brb
[18:50] <gatox> back
[19:06] <dobey> meh; going to take forever to build stuff in a PPA today
[19:15] <mmcc> so, a couple people had issues with today's build because a previous build installed the old non-working root daemon. I'm adding better daemon version checking so we can avoid having to tell people to 'sudo launchctl remove' the daemon before running a new build
[19:16] <ralsina> mmcc: ok
[19:16] <mmcc> it always checked the version, now it does something with that :)
[19:16] <mmcc> this was on the list after 'get it working'
[19:17] <ralsina> hahaha
[19:24] <dobey> bah, i really want some soft pretzels right now
[19:25] <dobey> or an alternative form of lots of carbs/sugar might be acceptable. like beer
[19:26] <ralsina> dobey: since you are in core hours, make that light beer.
[19:26] <ralsina> or some non-alcoholic beverage, like Budweiser.
[19:26] <dobey> lol
[19:27] <dobey> in only drink light beers… like Chimay
[19:36] <ralsina> hmmmm chimay
[19:47] <mmcc> still far from beer time here - I'm drinking Ubuntu Coffee
[19:47] <mmcc> really - http://www.allegrocoffee.com/coffee/coffee-products/coffee-blends#cafe-ubuntu
[20:02] <mmcc> thisfred, if you're still around, just saw this on twitter: http://xoxofest.com/guide/  -- a guide to cool stuff in portland
[20:03] <thisfred> mmcc, awesome, thx!
[20:14] <gatox> people, eod for me..... see you tomorrow!! enjoy :D
[20:15] <ralsina> bye gatox!
[20:15] <gatox> ralsina, bye
[20:59] <mmcc> lunch
[21:08] <ralsina> EOD for me, as usual, will do reviews at night on request
[21:08] <ralsina> bye!
[21:44] <dobey> ok, am off as well. have a good evening all
[21:48] <mmcc> back from lunch
[22:41] <mmcc> so ctypes uses a single underscore for the _fields_ magic variable. only, code using wrong double underscores worked fine without it. what is it even for?
[23:01] <mmcc> have to go now, ctypes is making it hard to print the errors so I can tell why I don't have permission to remove the old daemon from code…
[23:02] <mmcc> will try to get back to this tonight


[02:02] <cjwatson> skaet: do you know why bug 901741 refuses to vanish from http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-mgr-p-tracking-bugs.html?  I untagged it nearly a week ago.
[02:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 901741 in debsums "perl-modules lucid->precise upgrade failure: debsums is noisy when Perl-related packages are inconsistent" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901741
[02:02]  * skaet looking
[02:04] <skaet> cjwatson,  that's weird.  yeah it shouldn't be there.
[02:05] <skaet> I'll work with bjf on it tomorrow to see if we can figure out, what could be happening... weird.
[02:05] <cjwatson> thanks
[03:01] <ScottK> cjwatson: I screwed up and accepted libzip2 binaries into Universe.  Would you please promote them?
[03:01] <ScottK> (or maybe slangasek)
[03:01] <infinity> ScottK: I can.
[03:01] <ScottK> infinity: Yes.  Please.
[03:02] <infinity> ScottK: Err, which source package?
[03:02] <ScottK> libzip
[03:02] <infinity> Oh, SOVER bump.  Yeah.  On it.
[03:02] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:03] <ScottK> I've got all the rdepends ready to upload.
[03:04] <infinity> Sadly, we just missed the publisher while talking.
[03:04] <infinity> But it'll resolve in the :33 run.  If there is a :33 run. :P
[03:05] <infinity> ScottK: Committed.
[03:05] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:05] <ScottK> All but one are in Universe, so it's not so bad.
[03:06] <infinity> We have this source package in main for exactly one rdep?
[03:06] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:06] <infinity> That seems suboptimal.
[03:06] <ScottK> Which is in main for one rdep.
[03:07]  * ScottK just uploaded the lot.
[03:07] <ScottK> I'll retry the main one after the promotion is done.
[03:07] <infinity> Erm.
[03:07] <ScottK> It ends up losing some data formats from okular if it's not there.
[03:08] <infinity> Oh, just a confused tool.
[03:08] <infinity> I saw the rbuild-dep, but no binary dep.
[03:08] <infinity> But there it is.
[03:08] <infinity> Just our checkrdeps tool confused because libzip1 is no longer related to libzip.
[03:10] <infinity> ScottK: I might actually have to give Kubuntu a spin sometime.
[03:11] <ScottK> Some people seem to like it.
[03:11] <ScottK> Come on over.
[03:11] <ScottK> The water is fine.
[03:11] <infinity> ScottK: I was doing KDE installer testing/fixing today, probably the first time I've genuinely looked at KDE in almost a decade.  It's kinda shiny.
[03:11] <ScottK> :-)
[03:12] <infinity> How well does it do at theming GTK+ apps to not look like crap?
[03:15] <ScottK> Pretty good.
[03:15] <ScottK> Better with gtk2 than gtk3 at tihs point, but that's coming along.
[03:15] <infinity> That's okay, I have no GTK3 theming at all on my Xubuntu desktop right now. :P
[03:16] <infinity> (My own fault, because I'm using the old GTK2 Human theme, but yeah.  Ugly square grey buttons in evince, FTL)
[03:16] <ScottK> Okular is one of the best KDE apps.  You won't need to worry about Evince.
[03:17] <infinity> I really need to find a round tuit to port Human to GTK3 and sneak it into precise.
[03:17] <infinity> ScottK: Oh, I assume I don't need to worry about GTK apps much in general, but there's always the one or two.
[03:17] <ScottK> Yes.  You'll still want FF/Chromium and LO if you use an office suite.
[03:18] <ScottK> Maybe Gimp.
[03:18] <ScottK> Other than that, I use all KDE stuff.
[03:19] <infinity> Well, Chromium never looks right on Ubuntu anyway.
[03:19] <infinity> But we do put some solid effort into making Mozilla apps play nicely and fit in.
[03:21] <ScottK> We had a very nice set of KDE patches for FF, but they've been dropped for LTS due to too much trouble with the new Mozilla rapid release process.
[03:22] <ScottK> I've uploaded enough stuff to guarantee a :33 publisher run.
[03:32] <infinity> ScottK: It's not about enough stuff being uploaded, but if the :03 run takes more then 30 minutes.
[03:32] <ScottK> Oh.
[03:32] <ScottK> Well there's also the no uploads option.
[03:32] <infinity> s/then/than/
[03:33] <infinity> ScottK: Looks like a :33 run is happening.
[03:33] <ScottK> Great.
[03:33] <ScottK> When do they normally finish?
[03:33] <infinity> Anywhere between 15 and 30 minutes.
[03:34] <ScottK> In the good old days, I remember it was start at :03 and finish :44 - :47.
[03:34] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:40] <ScottK> I need to do a better job of getting you engrained in the list of archive admins that live to the west of me.
[03:41] <infinity> I'm probably more accurate described as the archive admin that doesn't sleep.
[03:43] <ScottK> That too.
[03:43] <ScottK> Then there's pitti, who is generally well east of me, but gets up early, so we often overlap before I go to bed.
[03:45] <ScottK> So I'm looking at libzip2_0.10-1_i386.deb in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libz/libzip/ and yet the package still fails because it's not there?
[03:45] <ScottK> Is there a better place to tell which it's shown up and is available to build with?
[03:46] <infinity> Packages.gz
[03:46] <infinity> Pool location is largely irrelevant, and often a strange lie for packages with main/universe splits.
[03:47] <micahg> there's rmadison output as well
[03:47] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[03:47] <infinity> rmadison is just Packages.gz with a nice wrapper. :P
[03:47] <infinity> (And a bit of lag)
[03:47] <infinity> ScottK: I could just tell you when the publisher's done.
[03:48] <infinity> ScottK: Since all you care about is ftpmaster, not archive (archive being a mirror and all)
[03:48] <ScottK> That would work too.
[03:48] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:48] <ScottK> Right, but if archive is good, the ftpmaster should be as well.
[03:48] <infinity> True.
[03:50] <ajmitch> once that's published, that could fix a couple more haskell packages as well :)
[03:50] <micahg> right, which is why I mentioned it to fabo in the first place ;)
[03:51] <ajmitch> aha
[03:51] <infinity> ScottK: Should be good to go now.
[03:53] <ScottK> OK.
[03:53]  * ScottK mashes retry
[03:54] <ScottK> Thanks.  All mashed.
[08:37] <Riddell> a video driver uploaded presumably for universe with "All Rights Reserved" in the copyright file, should I reject on the grounds that means we have no copying licence at all?
[08:52] <Laney> ScottK: oh, you took the libzip SONAME bump — that means haskell-libzip is saved!
[10:01] <Riddell> ubuntu-sru: bug 901959 is over 4 weeks old
[10:01] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 901959 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Clipping in libreoffice welcome screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901959
[10:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Does it have a free license otherwise?
[10:57] <Riddell> ScottK: no
[10:57] <Riddell> I assume it's for rejected but jani asked for it to be rejected while he worked on the copying file
[10:58] <Riddell> s/rejected/restricted/  similar works :)
[10:58] <ScottK> Agree, it should be rejected.
[10:59] <ScottK> "All rights reserved" seems to get interpreted as "All other rights reserved" if there's a free license, but you've got to have that ...
[10:59] <ScottK> Even for restricted it's got to be distributable.
[11:16] <knome> cjwatson, you around?
[12:17] <brendand> Daviey, i think beta1 has boned the network card on one of our servers :(
[12:20] <brendand> but i need to check with the lab engineer to make sure it's not something more obvious (like unpluggies)
[12:25] <Daviey> brendand: eeek
[12:25] <Daviey> brendand: dmesg have anything of interest ?
[12:27] <brendand> eth0: link is not ready
[12:27] <brendand> ?
[12:28] <brendand> and
[12:28] <brendand> eth0: No IPv6 routers present
[12:29] <brendand> Daviey, in ifconfig it is an inet6 addr only
[12:32] <Daviey> brendand: nothing earlier in the dmesg?
[12:32] <Daviey> brendand: I'm expecting missing firmware or something, in which case - it's a kernel bug.
[12:34] <brendand> there is a missing firmware message, but i don't know for sure it's for the network card
[12:35] <brendand> err, not missing firmware
[12:35] <brendand> vpd r/w failed?
[12:35] <brendand> let me see if i can get the log to you
[12:37] <Daviey> brendand: See if you can pastebin the whole dmesg
[12:40] <cjwatson> knome: yes, now
[13:34] <knome> cjwatson, https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/debian-cd/xubuntu-logo-precise/+merge/98396
[13:35] <cjwatson> right, saw that in mail, thanks
[13:35] <knome> great :)
[13:42] <brendand> Daviey - i can't get anything off the server right now (unless there's a feature of this Raritan KVM i don't know about)
[13:42] <brendand> Daviey, no network access
[13:49] <Daviey> brendand: no serial console?
[13:49] <brendand> Daviey, not that i know of...
[13:49]  * brendand checks
[13:51] <brendand> Daviey, the IS page claims there's one but i can't access it
[15:07] <brendand> Daviey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/892292/
[15:10] <Daviey> brendand: thanks :)
[15:12] <Daviey> brendand: yeah, looks like a kernel issue.. can i ask you to raise a bug and throw this on there.. I'll follow it up with the kernel folks.
[15:12] <brendand> Daviey, oh cool. what gave it away?
[15:14] <Daviey> brendand: tg3 0000:01:00.0: vpd r/w failed.  This is likely a firmware bug on this device.  Contact the card vendor for a firmware update. ... tg3 is a broadcom network adapter.
[15:15] <Daviey> I find it hard to believe that the newer kernel requires a firmware update, which makes me think something in the kernel is doing something wrong.
[15:15] <Daviey> If i knew what the something's were, i'd be happy :)
[15:36] <slangasek> Riddell: "all rights reserved" is a standard statement that copyright exists and is orthogonal to the license; so seeing that doesn't necessarily mean it will be bound for restricted afterwards, though of course we need debian/copyright to reflect whatever license we actually have
[15:39] <brendand> Daviey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/960311
[15:39] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 960311 in linux "Networking on Dell PowerEdge R300 with Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5722 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express is not functional" [Undecided,New]
[15:41] <Daviey> brendand: thanks
[15:42] <brendand> Daviey, i'd get all the logs i could but apport isn't installed and obviously i can't install it myself
[15:42] <Daviey> brendand: groovy!
[15:45] <knome> doko, i'm not sure if this could be related, but i heard another guy had problems with wireless in the daily builds too, but he confirmed it was only under vbox...
[15:45] <knome> Daviey, ^ even
[15:54] <Daviey> knome: wireless in vbox? :o
[16:47] <greyback> Hi guys, a UIFe request: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/960194
[16:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 960194 in unity-2d "[UIFe] Use average color of wallpaper to tint launcher/dash/panel/hud" [Low,Confirmed]
[16:48] <skaet> cjwatson,  901741 no longer showing up in the list.   Seems we have a problem in the code that tracks bugs rather than querying to launchpad.  Full regeneration of the table, pulling the information directly from launchpad sorted it.
[16:49] <cjwatson> skaet: neat, thanks - might this recur for other bugs then?
[16:50] <skaet> cjwatson,  unfortunately yes,  we probably need bdmurray to look at the code a bit.   If you spot another one,  flag it to him as well.
[17:09] <brendand> Daviey, looks like bug 960311 is happening with Oneiric too
[17:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 960311 in linux "Networking on Dell PowerEdge R300 with Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5722 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express is not functional" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/960311
[17:10] <brendand> Daviey, i reckon the firmware got updated on that system recently (i wasn't aware it was though)
[17:10] <brendand> Daviey, so if this is a bug it could have been around for a while
[17:13] <brendand> Daviey, i added a comment. got to go now but i'll make sure to test with the daily image tomorrow and try and get someone to install the upstream kernel for me
[18:49] <cyphermox> hey, I know it's getting quite late for this, but if someone could review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/960494 ; there's two changes in NM especially which make me uncertain to upload NM <IP_ADDRESS> as just bugfix
[18:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 960494 in network-manager "[FFe] update to NetworkManager <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,New]
[18:50] <cyphermox> Also, in that bug I'm mentioning "will be released by March 23", because it's supposed to be released today or tomorrow, and definitely before the end of the week as the upstream lead developer will be on vacation after that
[20:11] <infinity> cyphermox: Commented.
[20:40] <cyphermox> infinity: thanks; yeah, I'm making sure of that right now
[20:41] <cyphermox> I suspect there might still be some additional changes but they are supposed to be just bugfix; upstream is aware of our schedules and also commented on the "it's too late for features now"
[20:42] <cyphermox> the ipv6 things they just landed just work on what's already applied; partly because the person who wanted these changes are submitted the patch keeps bugging me and dcbw to land them in Ubuntu :)
[21:43] <ScottK> psycopg2 and pymilter both have binary renames and are in New for i386 only (FFe approved).  Since there's archive skew until they are out, I'd appreciate it if someone would have a look.
[21:55] <knome> cjwatson, can we expect the new logo appear on debian-cd now?
[21:59] <cjwatson> knome: yes, any builds after I set that bug to Fix Released will have it
[21:59] <knome> cjwatson, which bug? :) #955396 is pending on other stuff too
[22:00] <cjwatson> er I mean since the merge proposal went to Merged
[22:00] <knome> hehe, okay, thanks :)
[22:00] <knome> as i thought, just wanted to make sure that's it
[22:40] <infinity> ScottK: Done.
[22:40] <ScottK> infinity: thanks
[22:42] <infinity> zul: "* New upstream release" is nowhere near enough of a changelog for a package that introduces new binary packages.
[22:59] <ScottK> Let me guess.  No FFe?


[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[08:49] <dholbach> dpm, maybe we should talk about devdocs :)
[08:49] <dpm> hey dholbach, sure, what's up?
[08:50] <dholbach> dpm, where do you store the update-packaging-guide script?
[08:51] <dpm> dholbach, under site-packages/update-packaging-guide
[08:52] <dpm> it's a straight check out from bzr, so whenever there is an update, I just do a 'bzr pull' in there
[08:53] <dholbach> ok, I don't have permissions and can't use the devdocs user
[08:53] <dholbach> I'll ask #is
[08:53] <dpm> ok, yeah, that's in the devdocs home folder
[08:55] <dholbach> yep
[10:57] <vibhav> Good morning
[15:09] <dholbach> dpm, http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tools/packaging/
[15:09] <dholbach> can anyone help confirm the links on the page are working - for me it looks all right
[15:11] <dpm> dholbach, works well for me :)
[15:11] <dholbach> I moved the English bits and pieces to C/
[15:11] <dholbach> which will break some bookmarks, but it makes things a lot easier
[15:11] <smartboyhw> dholbach, good for me also
[15:11] <dholbach> I'll announce in a bit
[15:11] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[15:11] <dholbach> I'm *SO* please
[15:11] <dholbach> d
[15:11] <dholbach> finally a translated packaging guide
[15:12] <dholbach> this is a huge milestone
[15:12] <dholbach> we've talked about it for years
[15:12] <dpm> indeed, and most especially, it is easy to translate :)
[15:12] <dholbach> (and easy to break the translations ;-))
[15:12] <dpm> otherwise it wouldn't be fun, would it? ;-)
[15:13] <dholbach> but yeah, as far as I'm concerned it's one of the best things we've done for ages
[15:13] <dpm> sphinx rocks
[15:14] <dholbach> bah, ./C/ breaks LOTS of wiki links
[15:14]  * dholbach cries bitter tears
[15:14] <dholbach> I'll go and change it
[15:14] <dholbach> but leave ./es/
[15:19] <dholbach> ok, done
[15:50] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[15:51] <dholbach> hello SergioMeneses
[15:52] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, hey hey I saw your email about the Spanish packing guide
[15:52] <SergioMeneses> awesome
[15:52] <dholbach> yeah, finally
[15:52] <dholbach> :-D
[15:52] <dholbach> now it's time for the other language teams to catch up :)
[15:53] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, that's right
[15:53] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, https://twitter.com/sergiomeneses/status/276353456082669569
[15:55] <dholbach> :-D
[15:57] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:00] <jono> hey dholbach
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, jcastro_, balloons, dpm, mhall119 setting it up
[16:00] <jcastro_> AWWWWW YEAHHHH.
[16:00] <balloons> woot
[16:01]  * balloons hopes g+ likes him today
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, jcastro_, balloons, dpm, mhall119 invite sent
[16:06] <vibhav> I probably mail my team for the packaging guide translations too
[16:08] <vibhav> dholbach : ping
[16:08] <dholbach> vibhav, in a call, bug yeah - pong :)
[16:09] <vibhav> dholbach : any plans to have the packaging guide as a SRU exception?
[16:09] <dholbach> yes
[16:09] <dholbach> it will take a bit longer
[16:09] <vibhav> Ah wait, take your time
[16:09] <dholbach> because it might need a fixed sphinx
[16:09] <vibhav> dholbach : we could have a talk with developers on it
[16:10] <dholbach> yes, we'll talk about it
[16:11] <dholbach> mitya57 is a good guy to talk to about it
[16:11] <vibhav> Nice
[16:25] <balloons> I knew it was too good to last
[16:58] <balloons> g+ dropped me again.. so toodles to all.. enjoy dpm and dholbach
[16:58] <dholbach> balloons, I dropped from g+ on purpose
[16:58] <dholbach> I got tired of the whining
[16:58] <dholbach> :-P
[16:58] <balloons> :-p
[16:58] <dpm> thanks balloons, this time it's bank holiday in Spain only, so dholbach is a bit behind on holiday count... ;)
[16:58] <balloons> aww.. dholbach  sorry mate!
[17:00] <dholbach> it's not my fault your politicians deprive you of holidays - but last I counted the number of holidays in Berlin and in the US were the same, plus we don't have the concept of bank holidays - if a public holiday is on a Sunday or Saturday, bad luck
[17:00] <dholbach> but I've said this like 500 times before already, I shut up now :)
[17:01] <balloons> dholbach, if you got more i would be happy for you ;-)
[17:01] <balloons> nothing wrong with getting time off
[17:01] <dholbach> balloons, you're the only friend I have in this team
[17:01]  * dholbach hugs balloons
[17:01] <dholbach> but now I really shut up :)
[17:03]  * dholbach goes and replies to some translated-packaging-guide emails
[17:03] <balloons> dholbach, toujours mon ami
[17:03] <dholbach> :-)
[17:26] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day
[17:27] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:30] <mhall119> jono: will be a couple more minutes
[17:32] <mhall119> jono: ok, ready when you are
[17:33] <jono> mhall119, will be a few mins
[17:39] <jono> mhall119, setting it up
[17:40] <jono> mhall119, invite sent
[17:43] <jcastro_> http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6853117/look-at-this-instagram-nickelback-parody
[17:43] <jcastro_> this is excellent
[18:11] <jono> dpm, invite sent
[18:12] <dpm> jono, joining in...
[18:38] <SergioMeneses> jcastro_, jajajaja
[20:39] <jono> mhall119, what is the status of the doc day wiki page and pad pages?
[20:39] <jono> mhall119, I would like to blog about it today if poss
[21:40] <jcastro_> jono: hey real quick
[21:41] <jcastro_> since I happen to be in juju docs right now
[21:41] <jcastro_> which docs do you have in mind?
[21:41] <jcastro_> when we've been randomly talking about docs today?
[21:41] <jcastro_> you mean just general ubuntu docs on the wiki or docs in bzr somewhere?
[21:42] <jono> jcastro_, you mean in the context of the u.c/community discussion?
[21:42] <jcastro_> yeah
[21:42] <jono> for now I just want us to get the existing docs with some improvements on the new site
[21:42] <jono> but then we can always widen the scope
[21:42] <jono> jcastro_, btw, just finishing off something and then I will get the juju commercial email draft written
[21:43] <jcastro_> jono: ok, so in your case, just a wordpress page
[21:43] <jcastro_> I had a thought today on how to integrate generated docs into wordpress
[21:43] <jcastro_> then just now I realized I'm not the only guy with that problem
[21:44] <jono> jcastro_, yeah, right now just WP pages
[21:44] <jono> yeah, but I think we can explore the d.u.c approach to integrated docs in the future
[21:44] <jcastro_> yeah so marco was thinking of writing a WP plugin that would take autogenerated docs and expose them to wordpress
[21:44] <jcastro_> so we can have our cake and eat it too
[21:46] <jcastro_> anyway I was just wondering ...
[21:51] <jono> jcastro_, that sounds awesome
[21:51] <jono> I am wondering if we should think of WP + Sphinx for our help.ubuntu.com side of things
[22:55] <nigelb> technoviking: Oh hey, a familiar face :D http://www.droid-life.com/2012/12/05/microsofts-new-droidrage-twitter-campaign-against-android-backfires/#more-91134


[10:36] <ElPasmo> Hi all, I think bug 428231 should be set to triaged with a Medium importance. Can someone do it for me please? (I had problems adding a bugwatch there, if someone can check it too that'd be great)
[10:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 428231 in azureus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Badly under-reports bandwidth usage. (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428231
[11:31] <njin> hello to all, is konqueror the default browser in kubuntu-karmic ?
[11:41] <ElPasmo> I think bug 428231 should be set to Triaged with a Low importance. Can anyone do it for me please?
[11:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 428231 in azureus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Badly under-reports bandwidth usage. (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428231
[12:20] <ElPasmo> I think bug 525310 should be set to Won't fix. Can anyone do it for me please?
[12:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 525310 in ubuntu-mono (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Azureus need Monochrome icon (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525310
[15:12] <yofel> have to go, could someone review bug 693915 ? That makes bazaar pretty much useless in natty
[15:12] <ubot2> yofel: Bug 693915 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/693915 is private
[15:15] <devildante> yofel: what do you mean by reviewing?
[15:54] <daker> devildante, http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/604/detail/
[15:55] <devildante> daker: great! :)
[15:55] <daker> :D
[15:56] <devildante> daker: moreover, I live in Rabat
[16:21] <BUGabundo> My most dear online friends, best wishes of an Happy Merry Xtmas for you all and your Families!
[16:22] <devildante> BUGabundo: to you to :)
[20:53] <penguin42> hmm, that's got to be the most minimal report I've seen - bug 694187
[20:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 694187 in ubuntu "/var/log/syslog y /var/log/partman: (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/694187
[20:54] <charlie-tca> agreed. and did not even use apport, huh?
[20:54] <penguin42> can you do that for an install failure?
[20:56] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[20:56] <charlie-tca> from the live desktop
[20:57] <penguin42> oh ok, I guess it depends if it actually got to the live desktop
[20:57] <penguin42> hmm it's obviously the day for odd errors; bugs 694156 and 694147 - looks like someone misunderstanding ubuntu-bug but I'm not sure what he was actually trying to report
[20:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 694156 in evince (Ubuntu) "In 11 sections (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/694156
[20:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 694147 in evince (Ubuntu) "when I clicked for sending report no applet window seen (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/694147
[21:09] <hggdh> well, the first one I answered; the second... IDK what is wanted, yet.
[21:09] <yofel> good question, 694156 is intended apport behaviour, and 694147... well, var/lib/dpkg/info has 8326 files here, intentional. *.mo are compiled gettext translation files, usually one per language. And /usr/share/bug/ has the reportbug scripts from debian. Not to mention that the title is pretty much unrelated


[16:40] <jbicha> mdke: will we be doing any more oneiric ubuntu-docs releases for typos and such? bug 902822
[16:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 902822 in ubuntu-docs "Typo string 419" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902822
[16:41] <jbicha> I've not really understood how we handle string freeze
[16:50] <jbicha> mdke: also see http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/unity-shortcut-overlay-coming-to-ubuntu-12-04/


[07:54] <alkisg> Hi, I'm a developer of a software called epoptes.org. At some dialog I want to display to the user something like:
[07:54] <alkisg> VGA card: i915 [15ad:0405]
[07:54] <alkisg> I.e. the driver that manages the card, and its pci-id, if it exists (I think e.g. in raspberry pi it doesn't exist).
[07:54] <alkisg> What's the best way to get that info via shell, even if xorg isn't running? Currently I'm using lspci, but it's not doing a very good job...
[07:54] <alkisg> I was thinking of checking something under /sys
[07:55] <alkisg> /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0f.0# cat uevent
[07:55] <alkisg> DRIVER=vmwgfx
[07:55] <alkisg> PCI_CLASS=30000
[07:55] <alkisg> PCI_ID=15AD:0405
[07:56] <alkisg> That would be fine for my needs, but I'm not sure which /sys path to check there, it's too different in various systems that I check
[07:57] <alkisg> Would `find /sys/ -name boot_vga` show me the path I'm interested in?
[07:58] <tjaalton> probably not the best place to ask :)
[07:59] <tjaalton> but that might be a start
[07:59] <alkisg> Thank you tjaalton, I'll test that in 20-30 systems and see if it's solid enough
[07:59] <tjaalton> and then you get a hybrid
[08:00] <tjaalton> where it doesn't necessarily show what you mean
[08:00] <alkisg> I don't mind if it shows the wrong vga in multi-vga systems
[08:00] <tjaalton> k
[08:03]  * alkisg tries: cat $(find /sys/devices -name boot_vga -printf %h)/uevent
[08:10] <alkisg> One problem only so far, under virtualbox, uevent doesn't have a DRIVER= line.... while `lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA` does show "Kernel modules: vboxvideo".
[08:11] <alkisg> In all the other 20 systems, no problems whatsoever :)
[10:00] <alkisg> I'm testing with an ancient trident card under 16.04. I don't get a DRIVER= line in the uevent file and Xorg.7.log tells me that it couldn't load the "trident" module.
[10:00] <alkisg> Then I run "modprobe tridentfb" and I do get a DRIVER line etc.
[10:00] <alkisg> Questions...
[10:00] <alkisg> 1) Does that mean that no drivers were managing the card until I ran modprobe tridentfb?
[10:00] <alkisg> 2) Should I expect the card to work better after modprobe tridentfb?
[10:00] <alkisg> 3) Should I put that modprobe tridentfb somewhere in e.g. /etc/modules so that it's automatically loaded on boot?
[10:01] <tjaalton> trident doesn't have a kms driver, not sure tridentfb makes anything better
[10:03] <alkisg> So which module makes that card work by default, is it modesetting_drv?
[10:03] <alkisg> fbdev?
[10:03] <alkisg> vesa?
[10:03] <alkisg> ...all of the above? :D
[10:06] <tjaalton> vesa
[10:06] <tjaalton> check the xorg log
[10:06] <alkisg> It reports all those 3
[10:06] <tjaalton> modesetting only loads on drivers that do kms
[10:06] <tjaalton> look closer
[10:06] <alkisg> looking... :)
[10:07] <tjaalton> if you have tridentfb loaded the it's probably fbdev on x
[10:09] <alkisg> http://paste.debian.net/413858/
[10:10] <alkisg> I'm still not sure... in this log, I haven't loaded tridentfb
[10:10] <tjaalton> vesa
[10:10] <alkisg> And I see all of the 3 above
[10:11] <tjaalton> and modesetting & fbdev are unloaded
[10:11] <tjaalton> so vesa remains
[10:11] <alkisg> So it tries the modules in turn, and keeps one of them...
[10:11] <alkisg> Thank you very much tjaalton, that cleared some things for me
[11:11] <alkisg> x11perf -putimagexy500 results: 54 rep/sec on tridentfb, 6 rep/sec on vesa
[11:11] <alkisg> On such slow PCs it does make the difference of "usable vs unusable"
[11:12] <alkisg> ...unfortunately metacity can't start under tridentfb, so... unusable :D
[11:52] <alkisg> Same for s3fb, it's 10 times faster than vesa, but crashes metacity
[11:54] <tjaalton> why don't you have x-x-v-trident installed?
[12:53] <alkisg> Thanks for the hint, I thought all of the x-x-v* were installed by default but apparently they aren't, installing...
[12:54] <tjaalton> only for kms-capable hw, plus fallback drivers
[12:56] <alkisg> That epoptes dialog where we're showing the client info is a very nice place to notify sysadmins about obsolete hardware or missing drivers etc
[12:56] <alkisg> I'll see to it that we make it very visible when a driver is missing
[12:57] <tjaalton> all hw without a kms driver is obsolete :)
[16:14] <alkisg> Do I need to have xserver-xorg-legacy installed to run with non-kms drivers?
[16:26] <tjaalton> yes
[16:28] <alkisg> ty, installing... (maybe those legacy drivers should depend on it?)
[16:34] <tjaalton> maybe
[18:57] <alkisg> Meh, the big difference in putimage was due to "modprobe tridentfb" making xorg start with 8bpp as the default, not 24bpp...
[18:57] <alkisg> After forcing 24bpp, the putimage results are similar with or without tridentfb (and metacity etc are much more stable)
[18:59] <alkisg> It does sound lame to have 0.7 putimages / second in e.g. tnt vanda though, the card's bandwidth should be hundreds of times faster than that...
[19:13] <alkisg> trident: 8bpp => 50 putimage/sec, 16bpp => 20 putimage/sec, 24 bpp => 6 putimage/sec
[19:13] <alkisg> With 16bpp it's not crashing and it's fast enough to be usable
[19:19] <ricotz> tjaalton, hi, I wondering why intel-gpu-tools is not maintained by xorg team
[19:20] <tjaalton> ricotz: what do you mean?
[19:20] <ricotz> this package https://packages.qa.debian.org/i/intel-gpu-tools.html
[19:20] <tjaalton> Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:20] <tjaalton> hmm maybe mine is old
[19:21] <ricotz> oh, I misread that then
[19:21] <ricotz> there is 1.14 release
[19:23] <tjaalton> let's update it then
[19:28] <ricotz> tjaalton, might require python-docutils and libxv-dev
[19:29] <tjaalton> new build-deps?
[19:29] <ricotz> tjaalton, yes, but I am looking at git master
[19:29] <tjaalton> configure at least passed fine
[19:30] <tjaalton> and built too
[19:30] <ricotz> rst2man
[19:30] <ricotz> in a clean chroot? ;)
[19:30] <tjaalton> yes
[19:30] <tjaalton> sbuild
[19:31] <ricotz> the manpages are not built without rst2man
[19:31] <tjaalton> -rw-r--r-- root/root       641 2016-03-10 21:30 ./usr/share/man/man1/intel_aubdump.1.gz
[19:31] <tjaalton> bollocks :)
[19:31] <ricotz> hmm, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/247417011/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.intel-gpu-tools_1.14+git20160310.3e2443f8-0ubuntu1~16.04~ricotz0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:32] <ricotz> checking for rst2man... no
[19:32] <ricotz> checking for OVERLAY_XVLIB... no
[19:33] <tjaalton> those are not new things
[19:35] <ricotz> I warned you though ;)
[19:37] <tjaalton> there is no rst2man
[19:37] <tjaalton> btw
[19:38] <ricotz> python-docutils: /usr/share/docutils/scripts/python2/rst2man
[19:38] <tjaalton> oh sorry
[19:38] <tjaalton> riiht
[19:38] <tjaalton> +g
[19:49] <tjaalton> intel-gpu-overlay isn't installed, needs manual handling
[19:50] <tjaalton> and it's only built on x86
[19:51] <ricotz> only on x86?
[19:52] <ricotz> intel-gpu-tools: /usr/bin/intel-gpu-overlay on x86_64
[19:52] <ricotz> (maybe a fixed buildsys problem)
[19:52] <tjaalton> hmm
[19:53] <tjaalton> 1.14 checks the arch before checking for xvlib
[19:54] <ricotz> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/247418929/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.intel-gpu-tools_1.14+git20160310.3e2443f8-0ubuntu1~16.04~ricotz1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:58] <tjaalton> x86 archs so _64 too
[19:59] <tjaalton> anyway, since it actually is installed that means I don't need to adjust anything
[20:00] <tjaalton> and it already was built just without xvlbi
[20:00] <tjaalton> -lib
[20:00] <tjaalton> bah
[22:30] <furkan> tjaalton: did you notice that some fonts look sort of bold/fuzzy after upgrading to Xorg 1.18?
[22:32] <furkan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mbl5z6y4zqtplpe/fuzzyfont1.png?dl=0
[22:32] <furkan> i just upgraded and restarted my PC
[22:32] <furkan> the font on the buttons is messed up
[22:32] <furkan> and "60 Hz", and "Aperture Priority Mode"
[22:33] <furkan> for the dropdown menus, i wonder if it's because the 2 strings are being rendered on top of each other
[22:34] <tjaalton> probably freetype update breaking it
[22:34] <furkan> because when i click on the dropdown
[22:34] <furkan> and the choices appear, the fonts look normal
[22:34] <furkan> seems to happen with dropdowns and buttons
[22:34] <furkan> same thing w/ calculator
[22:35] <tjaalton> on intel hw?
[22:35] <furkan> radeon
[22:35] <tjaalton> k
[22:35] <tjaalton> file a bug
[22:35] <tjaalton> actually no
[22:35] <tjaalton> this is freetype
[22:36] <furkan> do you see the same thing in calculator?
[22:36] <furkan> if you switch to scientific mode you get the dropdown menus for degrees/radians
[22:36] <furkan> when you click the dropdown and the choices appear, the fonts are normal
[22:36] <furkan> but after you select one, it goes fuzzy
[22:37] <tjaalton> file a bug against freetype
[22:37] <furkan> alright
[22:37] <tjaalton> unless there is already
[22:37] <tjaalton> i use a custom build to revert a change
[22:38] <furkan> xorg 1.18 just hit yesterday
[22:38] <furkan> so it might not have been noticed by many people yet
[22:38] <tjaalton> it's not caused by it
[22:39] <furkan> i mean the bug itself could be in freetype, but it must have been triggered by the xorg update because that's what i just updated
[22:40] <furkan> ok actually i had an update to freetype as well
[22:40] <tjaalton> try reverting that
[22:41] <tjaalton> sounds like you haven't updated in quite a while then
[22:41] <tjaalton> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xenial-changes/2016-February/007209.html
[22:42] <furkan> yeah actually i was using a mirror that was out of date
[22:43] <furkan> i had picked a mirror that was nearby
[22:44] <furkan> then realized today that i wasn't getting the xorg update so i switched to a different one
[22:46] <furkan> ok reverted back to libfreetype6_2.5.2
[22:47] <furkan> will see what happens
[22:48] <furkan> ok yeah, still the same problem
[22:49] <furkan> actually in january or february i had added the x-staging ppa to try out xorg 1.18, and i had noticed this then as well
[22:49] <furkan> i dunno if there are any other packages that got pulled down from that ppa
[22:50] <furkan> packages which could have contributed
[22:54] <tjaalton> test a daily live that's old enough
[22:58] <furkan> like a daily live CD?
[22:58] <tjaalton> yes
[22:58] <furkan> is there an archive of those?
[22:58] <tjaalton> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[22:58] <tjaalton> 20160307 should be old enough
[22:59] <furkan> oh great, yeah it should be
[23:17] <furkan> ok it works fine with 20160307
[23:17] <furkan> i guess after 2 years, it's time for a clean installation
[23:19] <furkan> i've been upgrading releases since 14.04, there must be dirty config files that have been left over along the way or something
[23:19] <furkan> after that last dist-upgrade, my volume buttons don't work at all, even after a fresh boot
[23:19] <furkan> but they worked with the live CD
[23:20] <furkan> i guess this time i'll stick with 16.04 for as long as i can
[23:29] <furkan> tjaalton: i just realized i totally confused myself - the whole point of trying the older image was to verify the absence of the bug
[23:29] <furkan> does the 20160310 build contain xorg 1.18?
[23:30] <furkan> ok yeah it does (just checked the manifest)
[23:31] <furkan> i'll try that out to make sure that it's not a problem with my configuration


[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[09:47] <arkar> Ubuntu dvd from barcampX doesn't work when I boot with it ! I tried it with usb drive. Why can't I ? Plz answer me !


[15:46] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: I recall last year that you told me about phone carriers ( Verizon AT&T and whatnot ) don't really like dealing with developing and maintaining Android versions, is that true?
[15:47] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: I don't have any insider knowledge, but it seems common sense to me that this is a big expense for them to do
[15:47] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: the Ubuntu proposition, that they just add a layer of customization on top of an OS image we maintain, has been very popular with them from what I've heard
[15:50] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: So that's confirmation that the phone carriers would rather have an Ubuntu model rather than an Android model where instead of maintaining the entire OS, they just maintain the updated promotions on the phone and a specific look and feel to it.
[15:50] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: I would say so, yes
[15:50] <Nothing_Much> But wouldn't that mean phone manufacturers wouldn't have an excuse to not force people to upgrade phones every 2 years?
[15:51] <mhall119> I think the 2 years cycle is based more on contract plans with carriers than with software updates
[15:52] <Nothing_Much> Ah
[15:53] <Nothing_Much> I can only assume the reason why there's incredibly outdated Android versions on some low-end model phones is because of architecture differences that each carrier has to deal with?
[15:54] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: from my understanding most phones have very small margins, the low-end ones probably less that most, so *any* cost associated with them is going to make them less profitable. It's likely that OEMs don't provide new versions of Android for them simply because it costs them too much to do so
[15:54] <mhall119> if Canonical/Ubuntu is doing that for them, that's a win for them
[15:57] <Nothing_Much> Is it because you guys are mostly FOSS? :P
[16:10] <mhall119> is what because of that?
[16:49] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: OEMs don't provide new versions of Android because it costs them too much to do so, but you guys maintain Ubuntu, so it saves them money
[16:59] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: yes, though that's not so much because it's FOSS (AOSP is FOSS), and more to do with the fact that we allow customization with Scopes
[17:04] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: I really want to use scopes on the Ubuntu Phone, because when I use my desktop, I forget about the scopes in my desktop :(


[01:54] <mhall119> cprofitt: ping
[01:57] <mhall119> I added the address + logitude/latitude for your global jam event to http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/venues/11/detail/ so it'll show up on the map
[01:59] <mhall119> cjohnston: you still need to register your attendance for http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/729/detail/
[02:12] <cjohnston> :-P
[02:12] <cjohnston> i havent had a chance to review the code
[02:12] <cjohnston> cant keep conected to the internet long enough due to calls
[03:19] <cprofitt> mhall119: pong
[03:20] <cprofitt> mhall119: thanks... I appreciate that
[03:20] <cprofitt> can us 'regular' folks edit our venues to add the long/lat?
[03:22] <cprofitt> ... I see we can... cool
[03:23] <cprofitt> I will try to get that done over the next few weeks with my other locations
[03:24] <cprofitt> night all
[04:27] <nigelb> morning
[12:42] <Eua> 有人在吗
[18:25] <Ronnie> cjohnston: already some news about the top-nav?
[18:26] <Ronnie> mhall119: hows the admin-bug going?
[18:39] <cjohnston> Ronnie: I have a meeting tuesday
[18:40] <cjohnston> I didnt have a chance to review it yesterday cause I couldn't keep an internet connection long enough
[19:10] <nigelb> o/
[19:11] <Ronnie> hey nigelb ;)
[19:11] <nigelb> hello hello
[19:11]  * nigelb is back from a lovely party
[19:46]  * cjohnston thinks nigelb should to some reviews
[19:46] <cjohnston> ;-)
[23:19] <JanC> hm, when are locoteam reports for February due?
[23:24] <YoBoY> tomorow ? ^^
[23:45] <JanC> YoBoY: in theory, but if they won't publish them tomorrow I don't have to write a report *now* (previous reports were almost always published weeks/months later ;) )
[23:46] <JanC> (well, previous ones since we started writing them)
[23:47] <YoBoY> yes, it's not like before since amber left the news team :(
[23:48] <YoBoY> she was doing an amazing job with the uwn


[23:37] <penguin42> hmm bug 863504 is back to being 'unkown' importance by the bug updater - I don't think I understand how that bug is setup
[23:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863504 in ubuntu "Steelseries Xai mouse causing slow resume from suspend" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863504


[00:01] <Sylphid> I have a 1U server I just bought but the wife is complaining bout the noise from the fans ... how can i modify fan speeds?
[00:03] <J_5> lolz,  darn wife's
[00:04]  * Sylphid nods
[00:05] <J_5> fans, for the power supply? cpu? or all
[00:06] <Sylphid> theres 4-5 chassis fans those are the main ones
[00:06] <Sylphid> i dont wanna mess with the cpu fan if i can help it and its only a small PS fan so it cant be making to much noise
[00:10] <J_5> hmm, im stumped on adjusting the thoes to. all i can find is how to adjust the CPU :(
[00:11] <Sylphid> ugh... might have do disconnect 1 or 2 of em
[00:11] <J_5> http://ubuntuforums.org/tags.php?tag=fan+speed
[00:11] <J_5> is what im searching...if that helps
[00:12] <jmedina> Sylphid: go put your 1U in the basement and plug a wifi card
[00:12] <jmedina> :P
[00:13] <jmedina> put it under the bed doesnt help
[00:13] <Sylphid> aww then i cant use my gig E
[00:13] <J_5> well, then, just put your wife in the basement :0
[00:13] <jmedina> is it going to stay at home that server?
[00:13] <jmedina> or yous temporaly while setup?
[00:14] <Sylphid> depends on if my employer lets me colo for free =D
[00:15] <Sylphid> right now im anticipating that it will prolly stay at home
[00:17]  * jmedina thinks there is nothing better than working aside form a 2U rack with lots of fans under presure :P
[00:19]  * Sylphid wishes his wife felt the same
[00:19] <Sylphid> i got 3 cisco's i cant turn on unless i need em cuz of the noise....
[00:23] <Sylphid> i love my desk =D 1 lappy , 3x desktops and a 1U server on a kvm and a rack with 3 cisco devices in it
[00:24] <J_5> =D. if only your other half shared that love
[00:24] <jmedina> I bet your wife doesnt loves your the same...
[00:25] <J_5> still searching...i can find anything on adjusting the fans. only thing i locate is CPU fans and such
[00:25] <J_5> cant*
[00:27] <jmedina> does that mobo even support it?
[00:33] <Sylphid> should ... it has 3 settings in bios... but even the lowest is "to loud"
[00:36] <Sylphid> mobo is a PDSMi if that helps
[00:39] <J_5> oh, so you are able to set then in the bios?
[00:39] <J_5> them*
[00:53] <Sylphid> not manually
[00:53] <Sylphid> all i can do is select full speed server or workstation
[00:54] <Sylphid> workstation being the slowest but its apparently still to loud
[01:00] <Sylphid> gonna try updating bios ... well see
[03:22] <kirkland> kees: i do have an mdadm patch awaiting sponsorship, though
[03:59] <ScottK> nxvl: I don't think your real problem is libtool.
[03:59] <ScottK> nxvl: If I give you a hint, would you take another shot at it?
[04:04] <nxvl> ScottK: yeah
[04:04] <nxvl> for sure
[04:04] <ScottK> nxvl: If the package fails because you need to relibtoolize, how come the debian package will build on Ubuntu?
[04:05] <nxvl> it actually doesn't even build on experimental
[04:05] <nxvl> i tried that
[04:05] <nxvl> (the debian package)
[04:06] <ScottK> I just built the Debian package on my Intrepid pbuilder and the Ubuntu package failed in my Sid pbuilder.
[04:07] <ScottK> Let me attach my diff to the bug (I found a few more things that needed changing.
[04:07] <nxvl> let my tried
[04:07] <nxvl> but that's odd
[04:08] <nxvl> since i loged in into my experimental pbuilder downloaded the source
[04:08] <nxvl> and then tried to build it using debuild
[04:08] <nxvl> and it failed with the same error
[04:11] <ScottK> My diff is in the bug
[04:11] <ScottK> Actually I got it backwards.
[04:11] <ScottK> My diff builds on Sid, but not Intrepid.
[04:11] <ScottK> The Debian revision fails on Intrepid.
[04:11] <nxvl> the problem is that intrepid uses experimental libtool's version
[04:11] <ScottK> There's one rules change in there about trying to avoid parallel builds.  You may want to look into the (I don't think I specified it correctly)
[04:12] <nxvl> and sid the same as hardy
[04:12] <ScottK> Ah.
[04:12] <ScottK> I see.
[04:13] <nxvl> yep
[04:13] <nxvl> same error with the original debian pcakage
[04:14] <ScottK> Argh.
[04:14] <ScottK> OK.
[04:28] <J_5> is there something i can install to tell me what files have been changed? for security
[04:48] <tacone> J_5: have you searched synaptic for "files changed" ?
[04:50] <J_5> no.can i search via the command line?
[04:51] <tacone> I have no first hand experience, but I guess "fileschanged" ora "aide" packages could help you
[04:52] <J_5> ok,thanks
[04:53] <tacone> np
[05:10] <lukehasnoname> attn everyone: I will mail $20 to the first person to publish a book on KVM: Installation, getting guests up and running, saving/loading machines, advanced features and tasks, and available graphical tools to manage virtual servers, like virt-manager, oVirt, enomalism. Also cover vm-builder, p2v (or similar tool), plug Ubuntu JeOS.
[05:11] <lukehasnoname> You could release it like "Dive into Python": Under the FDL but get it published by Apress or No Starch or O'Reilly
[05:13] <sommer> there's no book better than experience
[05:13] <nxvl> sommer: that is SO true
[05:13] <lukehasnoname> they're called 'guides' for a reason
[05:14] <sommer> man is short of manual :)
[05:14] <nxvl> ubuntu-vm-builder is an awesome tool for kvm
[05:15] <sommer> and I'd be willing to bet that when such a book is released it'll be more like $40-$50... just fyi
[05:15] <lukehasnoname> I'm not going to argue the merit of books in helping people learn topics. They're helpful. And without good, clear, detailed, (prevalent) documentation, KVM will not be as useful to as many people
[05:16] <lukehasnoname> and sommer I know, that's why I don't buy books that often.
[05:18] <sommer> I don't disagree, but KVM is relatively new and has a rapid pace of development, which means it may be a while... at least IMHO
[05:19] <sommer> in the mean time trying stuff out in a test environment is the best way to learn... from my experience :)
[05:19] <lukehasnoname> which is what I plan do much more of beginning next week
[05:19]  * nxvl waves on sommer
[05:21] <sommer> nxvl: I try enlighten, I try... heh
[05:21] <nxvl> :D
[05:30] <lukehasnoname> next week I'm going to be back in my dorm for a week before school starts and I'm going to set up an Ubuntu/KVM machine, then load up a FreeBSD/Xen machine, then maybe an ESXi machine, and see which one I find easiest/fastest, etc. based on completely unscientific methods.
[05:34] <sommer> lukehasnoname: that's cool, you should blog about your results
[05:34] <lukehasnoname> I don't have a blag
[05:35] <sommer> but it'll be more scientific if you publish :(
[05:35]  * nealmcb arrives home after 3.5 weeks :)
[05:36] <lukehasnoname> hi nealmcb
[05:36] <nealmcb> lukehasnoname: howdy!
[05:36] <lukehasnoname> sommer, link me up or tell me some commands on testing disk speed and CPU usage of virtual machines with those hypervisors and I'll use a scientific method. <_< Or I'll look it up myself some time.
[05:37] <sommer> lukehasnoname: only one I can think of off hand is hdparm... never tested it in a vm myself though
[05:41] <To1> hello - I was wondering how to solve an apt-get which complains about dependencies ?
[05:48] <lukehasnoname> details
[06:02] <To1> lukehasnoname: its in the opsview-users mailing list "Installation troubles"
[06:03] <To1> mm sory thought it was #opsview here lol
[06:03] <lukehasnoname> heh.
[06:03] <To1> I cant even completely remove it from linux
[06:03] <To1> tried sudo dpkg –remove –force-depends –force-remove-reinstreq
[06:04] <To1> --purge and all
[06:04] <To1> yet apt-get install -f still tries to install it
[06:07] <mdadmfrusterated> hey everyone.i am really having trouble with setting up a raid. im trying to use mdadm and now i have a lot of extra stuff "md0p1-md0p4" so i have 2 hard drives and both are 750gb and i just want to make a raid 0
[06:07] <mdadmfrusterated> and i am trying to make it all ntfs
[06:09] <hads> Umm. NTFS?
[06:09] <mdadmfrusterated> well its a file server for a windows network
[06:10] <mdadmfrusterated>  mdadm --detail /dev/md0 shows that its doing ok but now im worried about the md0p4 stuff
[06:11] <mdadmfrusterated> and when i go to parted i get the following message when i try to "print all" "Error: Unable to open /dev/sda - unrecognised disk label.
[06:11] <mdadmfrusterated> "
[06:11] <mdadmfrusterated> and that is scary because sda is one of the drives making up the raid
[06:12] <hads> Jut because you're serving a Windows network doesn't mean you need to use NTFS on the server. That's where Samba comes in.
[06:13] <mdadmfrusterated> but i want the fiel speed to go as fast as possible thats why im excited to utilize ntfs-3g
[06:14] <hads> Use ext3 or JFS or XFS
[06:14] <mdadmfrusterated> well filesystem aside whats up with the md0p4 stuff? should i worry about the disk label thing?
[06:18] <mdadmfrusterated> hads: well even if i decide to use ext3... which would possibly work for me here i still need to lay out my drives and partitions first..
[07:17] <lukehasnoname> sommer, a gift for you http://tinyurl.com/sommer1
[07:52] <kraut> moin
[07:55] <lukehasnoname> morning
[08:16] <Ontolog> Some things I'm not sure how to do from the command line. Now that I am using Ubuntu Server I am a little lost. How do I change the Software Sources stuff from the cli?
[08:17] <soren> Look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:17] <Ontolog> I have to change all that shit by hand?
[08:18] <soren> How would I know?
[08:18] <_ruben> find and replace ftw! :p
[08:18] <soren> What are you trying to do?
[08:18] <Ontolog> i want to set the mirror to the finland ones
[08:18] <soren> And what's it pointing at now?
[08:18] <Ontolog> can I just copy this sources.list from another box that has the correct setup?
[08:18] <soren> Sure.
[08:18] <Ontolog> now it's pointing at the HK ones
[08:18] <_ruben> if its same version, yes
[08:19] <Ontolog> my other box is desktop
[08:19] <_ruben> version as in hardy/gutsy/etc
[08:19] <Ontolog> but both are 8.04
[08:19] <soren> sed -ie 's/hk.archive.ubuntu/fi.archive.ubuntu/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:19] <Ontolog> ok
[08:19] <_ruben> with a sudo in front ;)
[08:19] <Ontolog> haha but that doesn't setup which lists i want
[08:19] <Ontolog> i also want restricted stuff
[08:20] <_ruben> then copying over from other box is easiest
[08:20] <_ruben> might wanna make a backup of ur current sources.list in case smth breaks
[08:20] <soren> Ontolog: I don't mean to be offensive, but if something as simple as changing your sources.list makes you react this way, you're in for a rough, rough ride with Ubuntu server.
[08:21] <Ontolog> yeah i learned ubuntu starting with desktop
[08:21] <Ontolog> i have no idea how it's all structured underneath the gui
[08:22] <Ontolog> i'm trying to run: apt-get update
[08:22] <Ontolog> but i get loads of  Bad header line errors
[08:22] <soren> Well, that's fair enough. We've all been there at some point.
[08:23] <soren> I'm just saying that if modifying sources.list makes you exclaim "I have to change all that shit by hand?", pretty much everything else you're going to need to do on that server is going to be no fun at all.
[08:24] <Ontolog> i see, i just didn't realize all the URIs were the same
[08:25] <lukehasnoname> when will compiz be ready for the grub menu?
[08:25] <lukehasnoname> >_>
[08:25] <Ontolog> what's up with all this bad header line stuff?
[08:25] <Ontolog> what does it mean?
[08:28] <Ontolog> anyone?
[08:28]  * _ruben wonders how compiz/grub/ubuntu-server relate to eachother
[08:28] <_ruben> Ontolog: whats the exact error you get?
[08:28] <Ontolog> Bad header line
[08:29] <Ontolog> i'll paste the entire thing if you want
[08:29] <_ruben> please do, to a pastebin ofcourse :)
[08:30] <Ontolog> http://pastebin.com/d59eda2c
[08:30] <lukehasnoname> _ruben, don't worry about it
[08:30] <_ruben> Ontolog: pastebin your sources.list as well
[08:31] <Ontolog> i have tried several sources.list files all the same result
[08:31] <Ontolog> http://pastebin.com/d41f94ab6
[08:32] <Ontolog> i have also tried with the hk and fi mirrors
[08:35] <_ruben> hmm .. are you behind some kind of proxy perhaps?
[08:36] <Ontolog> no
[08:36] <Ontolog> shouldn't be
[08:36] <Ontolog> i have no problem on my laptop
[08:36] <Ontolog> just on new installations i have this problem
[08:36] <Ontolog> pita
[08:42] <Ontolog> fuck fuck fuck
[08:44] <lukehasnoname> rofl
[08:47] <hads> !language
[08:48] <Ontolog> yes yes I know the problem
[08:48] <Ontolog> my ducking lovely IT department
[08:48] <Ontolog> putting the HTTP firewall up against machines in the server room
[08:48] <Ontolog> DUCKING MORONS
[08:54] <\sh> which is a very good idea
[08:56] <Ontolog> no
[08:56] <Ontolog> it's retarded
[08:56] <Ontolog>  because you need a web browser to "log in" to the firewall
[08:57] <Ontolog> obviously you can't do that with a server (that has no GUI installed and such)
[08:58] <\sh> Ontolog: well, you shouldn't have a server in your office network...but apt knows very well to use a proxy server
[08:59] <Ontolog> exactly, we shouldn't have the server on our office network
[08:59] <Ontolog> when they were assigning the IP address
[08:59] <Ontolog> they asked me what's the IP of my desktop machine
[08:59] <Ontolog> ducking retards
[09:00] <hads> Do we have an !attitude?
[09:00] <Ontolog> haha
[09:00] <Ontolog> yes I do have an
[09:00] <Ontolog> !attitude
[09:00] <Ontolog> not appropriate, i have an attitude against those i work with not against those in the channel
[09:02] <\sh> Ontolog: I think it's better you go to your it department and discuss your company policy with them...your problem is definitly not solvable by us...please ask your sysadmin to help you
[09:02] <Ontolog> haha yes I know that
[09:02] <Ontolog> thanks
[09:02] <Ontolog> i am just complaining
[09:02] <Ontolog> not seeking you folks to solve retardation in my IT department
[09:09] <\sh> well, as most of us are working here as sysadmins I'll take that as a compliment that the IT people actually did something right...
[09:09] <dusty_> Anyone with experience using iptables module recent, could you explain this to me: http://rafb.net/p/XGD4zc77.html I am trying to figure it out, how long does an ip stay in the blacklist for ?
[09:15] <Ontolog> Trust me, any of the people in my IT department would never be found in an IRC channel
[09:15] <Ontolog> They don't even know what IRC is
[09:15] <Ontolog> (not joking)
[09:16]  * lukehasnoname is away: sleep
[09:32] <edmoore> I asked yesterday about putting a gui (ubuntu-desktop) on my server for occassional desktop use - electronics hobby related stuff, mainly - and was linked to the ubuntu wiki that first warned me how dodgy it was for servers and how it'll add crap you don't need. I'd still find it useful for the occassional use - maybe a couple of times a month. Is there a way to completely sandbox the GUI part? Not have it start normally, but instead ha
[09:34] <_ruben> edmoore: why not do stuff that requires a gui on a/your workstation?
[09:35] <edmoore> good question - I have a mac and the tools are linux based, but i could still virtualise. However, being electronics development, it invariabley requires ye olde serial ports and parallel ports, which my server mobo does have, but my macbook doesn't
[09:36] <_ruben> ic
[09:36] <edmoore> that said, I will investigate squirting stuff over ethernet and having the server do the actual comms bit, and maybe forward it to my mac
[09:36] <edmoore> but I am green with all this linux stuff, so I'm not sure how possible that is
[09:37] <edmoore> and maybe the server could also do the compiling for the fpga too.
[09:38] <_ruben> the only "sandboxing" solution i can come up with is the (in your case not-usefull) virtualization approach
[09:39] <edmoore> well I dont necessarily need sandbox, I guess I was wondering if it is equivalent to just start and stop the gnome stuff as I use it/finish with it
[09:39] <edmoore> and once I finish it, for any of the associated insecurities of cpu-cycle-munching bits to go away with it
[09:39] <edmoore> insecurities or*
[10:26] <exalt__> hello, what you think guys to backup my HD into another HD inside the same box
[10:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you rephrase that?
[10:27] <micheluntu> exalt__: if you want the exact copy you could use dd
[10:28] <micheluntu> exalt__: otherwise you can do it with rsync
[10:29] <exalt__> maybe rsync better .. cause dd will kill my box
[10:30] <micheluntu> I'm trying to find where asterisk package searches for sound files, somebody knows?
[10:41] <_ruben> micheluntu: /usr/share/asterisk/sounds and/or /usr/local/share/asterisk/sounds it seems
[10:41] <micheluntu> _ruben: me too... but: file.c:871 ast_streamfile: Unable to open were-sorry (format 0x100 (g729)): No such file or directory
[10:42] <micheluntu> _ruben: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/37380/
[10:43] <micheluntu> I was going crazy with keys directory... In all documents I found asterisk looks for keys in /var/lib/asterisk/keys..
[10:44] <micheluntu> in ubuntu searchs only in /usr/share/asterisk/keys ...
[10:44] <_ruben> my collegue is our asterisk expert, but he's on vacation atm .. only know the very basics myself
[10:44] <micheluntu> _ruben: you run asterisk on ubuntu-server?
[10:45] <_ruben> yes (migrated it off an fedore box like 1-2 weeks ago)
[10:46] <micheluntu> _ruben: I think it could be a good idea to create a ubuntu-server-voip group
[10:47] <micheluntu> to promote asterisk on ubuntu
[10:47] <hads> From memory Asterisk will warn for files that don't exist while it's looking for different formats.
[10:49] <micheluntu> hads: ah.. maybe asterisk expects no .gsm codecs ?
[10:50] <hads> It's looking for g729 sounds files there which you quite possibly don't have. It should fall back to some other format.
[10:50] <micheluntu> hads: yes it is on the upper warning... Unable to find a codec translation path from g729 to gsm :-(
[10:51] <hads> You don't have g729 licenses?
[10:51] <hads> If you want to transcode from/to g729 you need a license.
[10:51] <micheluntu> hads: no i don't. I'll try to use another codec
[10:51] <hads> From memory it's 'show translation' or something from the Asterisk CLI
[10:52] <hads> That will show you what you can use.
[10:52] <hads> If you're on a LAN go for g711
[10:52] <micheluntu> fine now command is core show translations
[10:53] <micheluntu> no, g723 isn't supported
[10:53] <hads> Yah, I haven't used Asterisk for a while, they've change a bit in that time.
[10:53] <hads> Are you on a LAN or WAN?
[10:54] <micheluntu> hads: now i'm on a lan
[10:54] <hads> Use g711 then
[10:54] <hads> alaw/ulaw
[10:54] <micheluntu> ok
[10:54] <hads> That's the highest quality you'll get without going wideband.
[10:55] <micheluntu> ok done
[10:57] <micheluntu> you are great! works!!
[10:57] <hads> Cool, easy fix :)
[10:58] <micheluntu> and the dir is:
[10:58] <micheluntu> /usr/share/asterisk/sounds
[10:58] <_ruben> yay! ;)
[10:58] <hads> Sounds about right
[10:59] <hads> Like _ruben said :)
[10:59] <micheluntu> _ruben: about your architecture, how many asterisk do you have?
[11:00] <hads> If you're just starting out you should take the time to look into FreeSWITCH - it's really very nice.
[11:00] <_ruben> just one .. well .. 2 .. one active, one cold standby
[11:01] <micheluntu> hads: usually we use trixbox
[11:01] <_ruben> hooked up to a isdn15 i think .. and roughly 100 sip clients
[11:01] <micheluntu> and it works fine for several clients
[11:01] <micheluntu> now a big client asked us for a very complicated project
[11:02] <_ruben> been looking into trixbox and the likes for home use .. but dont really have to the time figure out all the details (concerning the trunks and stuff)
[11:02] <hads> Asterisk is scary
[11:04] <micheluntu> hads: yes... but is there something else?
[11:05] <hads> 22:00:31 < hads> If you're just starting out you should take the time to look into FreeSWITCH - it's really very nice.
[11:07] <micheluntu> ah sorry I think it was an asterisk interface
[11:07] <hads> Ah no, it's a competing product.
[11:55] <byte_slave> hello everyone!
[11:57] <byte_slave> weird situation here: in crontab i've 1 bash script that just runs fine just after i've other entry pointing to an perl script. both were set as executable files, why perl doesn't run and the other does.... regarding syslog no error appears. if i run that perl script from command line works fine
[11:57] <byte_slave> anything i'm missing?
[11:58] <micheluntu> byte_slave: path?
[11:58] <byte_slave> of that script?
[11:59] <`6og> byte_slave, is the perl script in crons path
[11:59] <micheluntu> byte_slave: maybe I don't understand, pastebin crontab
[12:00] <byte_slave> ok
[12:01] <hads> And make sure shebang is correct
[12:01] <byte_slave> http://pastebin.com/dda0c9b6
[12:01] <byte_slave> yeap she bang is ok. shebang = #!/usr/bin/perl -w
[12:02] <hads> And file is executable?
[12:02] <byte_slave> yes file = chmod +x
[12:03] <hads> Odd. Have you tried doing a `sudo -i` and then trying to run the script?
[12:05] <byte_slave> the script runs fine from commandline
[12:05] <micheluntu> try running: sudo sh -c /root/scripts/est_disk_space_monitor.pl
[12:05] <byte_slave> ok, ill do that
[12:09] <byte_slave> micheluntu, in command line runs ok but via cron no luck :(
[12:09] <micheluntu> ok, now we'll see why
[12:12] <micheluntu> byte_slave: see here http://pastebin.com/d373cebe i'll come back in few minuts, now i'm going to eat something..
[12:13] <byte_slave> micheluntu, sure dont be starved bc of me! thanks ill check it out ;)
[12:25] <byte_slave> micheluntu, FYI that script doesn't produce any output - it sends an email only. The pastebin solution you gave me seems that doesn't work
[12:25] <byte_slave> :(
[12:59] <micheluntu> byte_slave: is the email emtpy?
[13:04] <devius> i just wanted to ask if i should update my hardy heron alpha release via internet or download and make a new installation
[13:17] <lamont> ScottK: sorry - I got distracted a little by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:17] <lamont> I'll get your feedback today
[13:17] <lamont> rather I'll get you feedback today
[13:57] <byte_slave> micheluntu, im back sorry...i has to eat something as well ;)
[13:57] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #241142 in samba (main) "cannot access network shares on a local-only connection" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/241142
[13:59] <byte_slave> micheluntu, email empty? you mean the mail box? sure... it is, when i execute the command manually i receive the mail with no prob.... only cron couldn't execute the job
[14:03] <micheluntu> byte_slave: so /tmp/est_disk_space_monitor.log is empty?
[14:04] <byte_slave> yap
[14:04] <byte_slave> but im not printing anything from inside the perl script file
[14:07] <micheluntu> byte_slave: yes..sorry  I forget a "little" piece..
[14:22] <byte_slave> and what is that little piece?
[14:27] <micheluntu> byte_slave: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/37414/
[14:32] <byte_slave> micheluntu, stills nopt working.... never thought that would be that hard...
[14:33] <micheluntu> and the /tmp/xxx.log is still empty?
[14:40] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #257893 in postfix (main) "Please sync postfix 2.5.2-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257893
[14:41] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #257892 in php5 (main) "PHP (Cli) generates invalid output when it exceeds 4kB" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257892
[14:42] <lamont> gar
[14:42] <lamont> dear requestsync: please let me edit the subject of the bug before submittal as well.
[14:43] <lamont> there.  title of Bug#257893 fix0red
[14:51] <byte_slave> micheluntu, nope
[14:52] <byte_slave> it has this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/37427
[14:59] <trakinas> hi all! Im having problems with a cronjob which is loaded but not being executed
[15:00] <trakinas> if any one can help me, id be glad.
[15:01] <trakinas> *anyone
[15:06] <byte_slave> pastebin the cron and script entry plz
[15:37] <trakinas> byte_slave: sorry for the delay. I was busy with other things. here it is: http://pastebin.us/?show=d38a8c2d
[15:46] <[yzf600]> howdy
[15:47] <[yzf600]> I've got group issues when using LDAP and local files
[15:47] <[yzf600]> I have an ubuntu client, connected to an LDAP server
[15:47] <[yzf600]> the LDAP server config has been changed to remove me from some groups
[15:48] <[yzf600]> problem is, any terminals I run under gnome still show me being a member of the old groups
[15:48] <[yzf600]> if I login via text console (ctl-alt-f1), the groups show up correctly
[15:49] <[yzf600]> I even re-booted and the old group memberships still show up
[15:49] <[yzf600]> is there some sort of groups cache somehwere  >
[15:52] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #257909 in bind9 (main) "bind9 doesn't bind to IPv6 interfaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257909
[16:46] <jazzkutya> i've zeroed out raid superblocks with mdadm --zero-superblock after booting with init=/bin/sh rw. now boot stops at "Begin: Starting up RAIDs. Please wait, the process may take a long time!"
[16:46] <jazzkutya> how can i resolve this and remove raid completely?
[16:46] <jazzkutya> it were raid1 arrays, i want to separate the 2 drives. currently only one drive in the pc
[16:46] <jazzkutya> boot stops here even when booting with noinitrd init=/bin/sh rw
[17:00] <jazzkutya> how can i disable initramfs on booting?
[17:05] <symtab> hello
[17:05] <symtab> in ubuntu /etc/fstab is not the same as in other distributions
[17:05] <symtab> will the old mounting work?
[17:05] <symtab> or only based on UUID?
[17:06] <jazzkutya> on ubuntu you can use either uuid or /dev/sdX, both will work
[17:07] <symtab> ok
[17:07] <symtab> thanks
[17:18] <Fenix|work> Greetings
[17:19] <Fenix|work> I'm setting up a secondary IP address on a single homed box... I've modified interfaces and added auto eth0:1 and the appropriate iface eth0:1 inet static and entered in an address, netmask and gateway...
[17:19] <Fenix|work> ... when I restart the networking process I get a SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address       [ OK ]
[17:20] <Fenix|work> everything appears to work, as I can ping the new address... but I'm not sure if everything is alright.
[17:20] <Fenix|work> what can I do to check
[17:33] <Fenix|work> Is there a Gutsy to Hardy upgrade doc?
[17:33] <Fenix|work> or is it stupid simple?
[17:55] <leonel> Fenix|work: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading  <-- if you have all updated   a     do-release-upgrade  will do ..
[18:29]  * delcoyote hi
[18:43] <kirkland> mathiaz: ping
[18:45] <mathiaz> kirkland: howdy ! :)
[18:45] <kirkland> mathiaz: dendrobates pointed me to you for a package review
[18:45] <kirkland> mathiaz: i suppose we should move this over to #ubuntu-motu
[18:54] <byte_slave> exit
[18:54] <byte_slave> exit
[19:37] <Fenix|work> I seem to have a bit of a problem... running do-release-upgrade, I appear to be stuck on 'Generating locales...'
[19:55] <Fenix|work> anyone awake?
[19:56] <slicslak> just us bots!
[19:56] <Fenix|work> nice
[19:58] <Mez> Fenix|work, that can sometimes take time... just let it ride...
[19:58] <Goosemoose> hi guys
[19:58] <Goosemoose> anyone installed ubuntu in a hyper-v virtual machine before?
[19:59] <Goosemoose> i have it installed but can't seem to get a network connection
[20:01] <Fenix|work> Mez, 13343 pts/1    R+    36:28 localedef --no-archive --magic=20051014 -i en_CA -c -f UTF-8 en_CA.UTF-8
[20:02] <Mez> Fenix|work, R+ means it's running...
[20:02] <Fenix|work> never seen is run for so long
[20:04] <Fenix|work> 40 minutes now
[20:08] <Fenix|work> Mez, any way I can verify that it is indeed running?
[20:08] <Mez> the R+ says it is...
[20:15] <Fenix|work> I've found bugs...
[20:15] <Fenix|work> bug 249340
[20:15] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 249340 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Gutsy->Hardy upgrade hangs in localedef" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249340
[20:29] <Fenix|work> Maz, I think there is something wrong... 64 minutes @ 100% CPU.  That can't be normal.
[20:37] <nxvl> kirkland: i'm shocked about persia's comment
[20:37] <nxvl> :S
[20:52] <edmoore> trying to set up a wireless point as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint
[20:52] <edmoore> however, when I get to 'sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'
[20:52] <edmoore> I get permission denied
[20:52] <edmoore> any ideas?
[21:00] <sommer> edmoore: try sudo sh -c "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
[21:01] <edmoore> seem to not be able to log int through ssh after restart
[21:01] <edmoore> might have broken it somehow
[21:08] <lamont> ScottK: and 2937 is a bug that only exists if you have an insanely stupid config (/var/mail mode 1777)
[22:10] <Fenix|work> how do I install an unstable debian package?
[22:12] <jmedina> Fenix|work: dpkg?
[22:12] <jmedina> Fenix|work: which package?
[22:12] <Fenix|work> libapache2-mod-xmlrpc2
[22:13] <jmedina> isnt it in intrepid?
[22:14] <jmedina> I guess you want to install it in hardy
[22:14] <Fenix|work> the 8.04 version doesn't work (see bug 157424), so the recommendation is the unstable version
[22:14] <Fenix|work> bug 157424
[22:14] <uvirtbot`> Fenix|work: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[22:14] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 157424 in libapache2-mod-xmlrpc2 "mod_xmlrpc.so: undefined symbol: xmlrpc_registry_new" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157424
[22:15] <Fenix|work> jmedina, yes, in hardy :)
[22:15] <Fenix|work> but I have no clue on unstable packages
[22:15] <Fenix|work> I just download the unstable one from debian and use dpkg?
[22:16] <jmedina> if nothing bracks, you can download the package and installit
[22:16] <jmedina> previos backup of coure
[22:23] <Fenix|work> where do I find the unstable version?
[22:25] <jmedina> packages.debian.org
[22:26] <Fenix|work> how do I find out the version I'm currently running?
[22:27] <jmedina> dpkg -l | grep libapache-mod-xmlrpc2
[22:44] <gopatwork> what a good backup tool for ubuntu server
[22:44] <gopatwork> that will do differtianals
[22:45] <gopatwork> !backup
[22:45] <jmedina> gopatwork: a really good one, I would recomend bacula
[22:45] <jmedina> gopatwork: but it depends what you want to backup
[22:45] <jmedina> I use bacula as a network backup solution
[22:46] <jmedina> backuing up from freebsd, linux, windows, to har disk, tape and lately dvds
[22:46] <gopatwork> backing linux apache server to terra station
[22:46] <gopatwork> i.e. NAS
[22:47] <jmedina> jeje, then you can use cp
[22:47] <jmedina> :P
[22:47] <jmedina> rsnapshot it is simple
[22:47] <jmedina> rdiff
[22:47] <gopatwork> but that won't create a image of the whole drive
[22:47] <gopatwork> oh
[22:47] <gopatwork> heheheh
[22:47] <jmedina> nop
[22:47] <jmedina> you never said that
[22:48] <gopatwork> I want a recovery image, incase the system goes down
[22:48] <gopatwork> that I can recover
[22:49] <jmedina> mondo


[11:15] <bluesabre> Uploaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/4.16.2-1ubuntu1
[11:34] <bluesabre> Uploaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-systemload-plugin/1:1.3.1-1ubuntu1
[11:37] <bluesabre> Unit193: any reason we're holding on mousepad, xfce4-sensors-plugin (I feel like there was a build issue here), or xfce4-time-out-plugin? If not, I can package those up shortly.
[20:52] <Unit193> bluesabre: Mousepad thinks it's a library now, but no pc file or anything so wasn't sure if I should bother packaging it as a library, Corsac doesn't want to repeat xfce4-panel, but we're both leaning towards just keeping it in one package.  sensors fails on an arch we don't care about, but we're supposed to.  time-out I just haven't done.
[20:52] <Unit193> Also: I've been out of state this weekend, still am.


[01:06] <guiverc> i'm giving up trying to paste UWN to fb on this box.. endless 'something-went-wrong; please reload' on fb...   I'll paste later when on a different box (later in day)
[01:30] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Me thinks ^ better you than me :D (Wife thinks I am a barbarian in that I refuse to FaceBook)
[01:36] <guiverc> I don't trust fb... open it in a [firefox/chromium] browser & I get "An error occurred during a connection to facebook.com." as I like.  When doing QA I just use a QA-install box which will be wiped next day (too early in cycle for them though)..   I used to go & turn on another box to paste; no longer desire doing that.. I'll be using other boxes later in day so plan on doing it like I did last week  (I sure don't want to 'unlockdown' on
[01:36] <guiverc> this box!)
[01:40] <Bashing-om> guiverc: :D
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[11:46] <guiverc> uwn 734 posted to fb
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