[21:50] <Jowi> mike-ekim, you can also use ssh -X (to launch a graphical app on the remote machine but display it on yours in case the machine you connect from is Linux)
[21:50] <mike-ekim> right but i need to have the applications running as is without killing
[21:51] <Jowi> !vnc | mike-ekim
[21:51] <ubotu> mike-ekim: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[21:51] <ichat> mike-ekim:  - 2 choices id concidere  either vnc  or   xserv-over-ip
[21:51] <Ademan> mike-ekim: if you want to log into existing sessions you probably want vnc
[21:51] <BoemLauw> Just bumping in the conversation here, but can it be that what you are looking for is somthing like http://www.nomachine.com/ ?
[21:51] <mike-ekim> right
[21:51] <mike-ekim> Ademan: i am having a trouble setting it up though via remote shell
[21:51] <BoemLauw> remote x / fast / free etc
[21:51] <Seba_> Hi, does anyone know a program like MAPLE for ubuntu??
[21:52] <mike-ekim> and i have no physical access to login
[21:52] <zboy417> i have GeForce2 MX/MX 400
[21:52] <zboy417> and ubuntu 8.04
[21:52] <Ademan> mike-ekim: unfortunately i've never used vnc, but i can vouch for freenx, i used it to log into a friend's machine and it was really, really, really fast, i was impressed, i figured it'd be crap (since my connection is crap) but it was good
[21:52] <Slart> Seba_: wxmaxima... or maple.. I think it's available for linux
[21:52] <zboy417> and edgy didn't work
[21:52] <Slart> Seba_: sorry.. vxmaxima
[21:52] <hwilde_> !enter | zboy417
[21:52] <ubotu> zboy417: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[21:52] <Seba_> nice... thanx, Slart : )
[21:52] <zboy417> sorry
[21:52] <curley_sue> zboy417: I can't tell you. all I can say is that I had it and I fixed it installing envy, running it and playing with the xorg: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64033/ (attached there)
[21:52] <Ademan> mike-ekim: vnc might be just as fast, i dunno, but as you can tell, freenx impressed me lol
[21:52] <BoemLauw> Ademan: You might want to check out http://www.nomachine.com  (vnc is slowwwww)
[21:53] <curley_sue> can anyone help reinstalling soundcard?
[21:53] <Ademan> BoemLauw: lol, yeah, that's freenx, which i used :-)
[21:53] <Ademan> well
[21:53] <Ademan> freenx is the client i believe
[21:53] <zboy417> is this the only irc chat for ubuntu (or do the developers have one)
[21:53] <BoemLauw> ow, sorry bout that :) Again just bumping in
[21:53] <hwilde_> zboy417, what is your question
[21:54] <Ademan> zboy417: there's a development channel, ones for different languages, one that's celebrating the next release of ubuntu, usually a channel for support for the next ubuntu release etc etc
[21:54] <zboy417> does the nvidia update (update manager) fix the [GeForce2 MX/MX 400 bug
[21:54] <frogscott> question for any takers: best method for transfering a large zip file from a windows OS laptop to my unbuntu pc
[21:54] <zboy417> i have 8.04 that is the next release
[21:54] <BoemLauw> zboy417 why don't you download the drivers from nvidia ?
[21:54] <hwilde_> zboy417, you should definitely get all of the updates.
[21:54] <woodwizzle> #banshee
[21:54] <woodwizzle> oops =)
[21:54] <spanther> lol
[21:55] <oxtailsoup> hi, im installing a ubuntu os on my pc at this moment
[21:55] <oxtailsoup> how big should the swap partition be?
[21:55] <Ademan> frogscott: "best" method would be rsync, "easiest" would probably be samba
[21:55] <hwilde_> oxtailsoup, 2x your ram
[21:55] <zboy417> minimum of 2 GB
[21:55] <frogscott> samba is?
[21:55] <oxtailsoup> thanks
[21:55] <BoemLauw> zboy417.. ^^^
[21:55] <hwilde_> frogscott, just get winscp for your windows device, and scp it over to the linux box
[21:56] <zboy417> boemlauw...what did i do?
[21:56] <BoemLauw> zboy417 why don't you download the drivers from nvidia ?
[21:56] <zboy417> oh...sorry... right now i'm installing the update
[21:56] <Jowi> oxtailsoup, I never used more than 20% of a 512MB swap. depends on what you plan to use the computer for.
[21:56] <frogscott> samba or wnscp? whats easier?
[21:56] <zboy417> btw....i'm new at Ubuntu...so i don't know many of the coding stuff
[21:56] <spanther> BoemLauw: because then with every kernel update he has no 3D acceleration again
[21:56] <mojo> doh!  ubuntu+1 for hardy rc, right?
[21:56] <Cheesypieces> hi guys, should i buy a bmw 1-series coupe or an alfa romeo gt?
[21:56] <whiteeagle> how can I remove KDE, KDE4 and XFCE from my computer
[21:57] <whiteeagle> ?
[21:57] <BoemLauw> ok, but I may be mistaken, but the accel. drivers only come from nvidia. That again it isn't a 9800GX2 offcourse :)
[21:57] <frogscott> neither...buy a Bentley
[21:57] <ikonia> whiteeagle: remove the packages
[21:57] <mojo> Cheesypieces::  buy a hybrid if you can afford those.  be an example, not another vanity victim
[21:57] <ikonia> whiteeagle: same way you do with any packages in the repo
[21:57] <undecim> whiteeagle: sudo aptitude remove <package name>
[21:57] <BoemLauw> spanther thats why you `rerun` the file after you update the kernel :)
[21:57] <whiteeagle> yeah, but which packages ikonia
[21:57] <BoemLauw> Just did
[21:57] <zboy417> for once only...the Edgy NG didn't work
[21:57] <acidBURN> is ubuntu studio a off shot from ubuntu ??
[21:57] <Cheesypieces> frogscott: bentley's a bit out of my league
[21:57] <spanther> BoemLauw: its that easy? :D
[21:57] <oxtailsoup> okay... let's take a look how long installation whil last
[21:57] <ikonia> whiteeagle: anything refereincg kde
[21:57] <spanther> okay *g*
[21:57] <zboy417> edgy always worked on the last version
[21:57] <hwilde_> !studio | acidBURN
[21:57] <ubotu> acidBURN: UbuntuStudio is a collection of packages for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best Audio/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories. For more info and install instructions, join #ubuntustudio or see http://ubuntustudio.org
[21:57] <Cheesypieces> mojo: i don't like any hybrids
[21:57] <llama_> Hey uh..
[21:57] <frogscott> ok then new Shelby Cobra only 500k
[21:58]  * Pelo wonders why he has two instances of gdm running and if he realy needs tracker
[21:58] <llama_> How do I get my mp3 player to show up so I can add songs?
[21:58] <frogscott> lol
[21:58] <unop> whiteeagle, you could do something like this.   sudo aptitude purge $(dpkg -l | grep -iE "kde|xfce" | cut -c 3-30)
[21:58] <hwilde_> !mp3 | llama_
[21:58] <ubotu> llama_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:58] <Ademan> unop: hahaha
[21:58] <Slart> Pelo: tracker is optional.. it's a desktop search thingy.. like google desktop
[21:58] <BoemLauw> spanther, yeah. Linux sux these days. It used to be hard :)
[21:58] <Cheesypieces> frogscott: i have no idea what that is... i don't think we have them in the uk lol
[21:58] <Pelo> llama_, usb ? just plug it in , it should mount to the desktop automaticaly
[21:58] <unop> Ademan, ??
[21:58] <frogscott> look it up...simply the best car ever made
[21:58] <spanther> BoemLauw:  no it doesnt xD
[21:58] <Tolkien> Hi
[21:59] <Tolkien> Is there anyone here that could maybe help me in PVMSG?
[21:59] <ikonia> Tolkien: people will help you in here
[21:59] <Slart> Pelo: gdm.. that's like kidneys. everyone has two.. noone knows why =)
[21:59] <ikonia> Tolkien: ask your question
[21:59] <oxtailsoup> wow, 2 minutes and already 33%
[21:59] <Ademan> unop: just a rather convoluted solution lol (especially considering there's a switch to auto remove un depended packages iirc)
[21:59] <whiteeagle> unop: thanks!
[21:59] <Pelo> Slart, ;-)
[21:59] <BoemLauw> Remember the RH3.x days.. You have a new video card. GOOD LUCK !
[21:59] <mojo> Cheesypieces::  for what reason?... n/m it's off channel.  i used to want a Mercedes sport coupe and coulda afforded it, but now i have a different view of the world around me and my relationship to it.
[21:59] <zboy417> oxtailsoup: This installs VERY fast
[21:59] <ikonia> !offtopic | BoemLauw
[21:59] <ubotu> BoemLauw: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[21:59] <runa_> what kind of partitions might this be http://pastebin.com/m237caa98
[21:59] <Tolkien> ikonia: It's kind of a situation and I need to explain it and the chat is moving too fast
[21:59] <spanther> BoemLauw:  i do have geforce8800gt actually now :P
[21:59] <ikonia> Tolkien: keep it breif, and post an overview, use pastebin if you have to
[21:59] <unop> Ademan, i'm really interested if you know of a better way.
[22:00] <BoemLauw> sorry
[22:00] <undecim> Pelo: You can remove tracker, but you will need to run locate -u every once in a while to keep your file searching working
[22:00] <Pelo> Slart, any idea what gnome-at-visuel is ?
[22:00] <whiteeagle> unop: I need to clean my computer so I can make the upgrade to hardy smaller
[22:00] <Tolkien> ikonia: I can't maybe private message you?
[22:00]  * BoemLauw spanther: I got to 8800Ultra's. You should see my glxgears :)
[22:00] <ichat> [question] -    looking for a network enviroment - comparible  to  say  netware or ms Active dir.... -    google mostly just shows all kinds of ways how to set up samba, but i really say - if i would have wanted to keep  MS active dir - i wouldn't atempt to switch to ubuntu... - - what should i look for
[22:00] <spanther> BoemLauw: glxgears lol xD
[22:01] <ikonia> Tolkien: no, as I said, if you give a breif overview, you can also use the pastebin service if you have to
[22:01] <Pelo> undecim, won't it just rescan my FS from scratch when i search ?
[22:01] <unop> whiteeagle, that'll remove all kde and xfce packages, which i suppose is what you want
[22:01] <whiteeagle> unop: exactly
[22:01] <Slart> Pelo: I have no idea.. sounds like either a gui for "at".. or some kind of assistive tech (low vision, hearing imp. etc)
[22:01] <oxtailsoup> okay, 50% now the time is about 4 minutes
[22:01]  * Pelo keeps disabling bluetooth but it keeps comming back
[22:01] <Openuser> hi, can someone say me if is this a joke or what: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1   ?
[22:01] <runa_> what kind of partitions might this be http://pastebin.com/m237caa98
[22:01] <Slart> Openuser: serious bug, if I remember correctly
[22:02] <undecim> Pelo: I don't know. I figured that was what tracker was for, to keep your file search database up to date
[22:02] <stefg> runa_: looks more like a hosed partition table. you might want to try testdisk if you need to recover datea from that drive
[22:02] <spanther> BoemLauw: well i do get 110285 frames in 5 seconds means 22017,596 FPS  :)
[22:02] <BoemLauw> Pelo, I feel your pain. Same go's with the ISDN service :-)
[22:02] <Slart> Openuser: with a little smile on the side
[22:02] <Tolkien> I installed a fresh, new version of Ubuntu yesterday on my tablet pc notebook, It worked fine. Now whenever I boot it, it loads me into BusyBox - I can only launch into ubuntu through safemode. I have integrated graphics.
[22:02] <Ademan> unop: aptitude --purge-unused    looks useful, lemme look further, but like i said i'm pretty sure there's a switch
[22:02] <Pelo> undecim, for the related tracker applet yes but I don'T expect for old cli commands like locate
[22:03]  * Pelo looks at jockey with murderous intent
[22:03] <oxtailsoup> btw, I'm from Germany so please excuse my english ;) here it is 11pm right now, whats the time where you're at home?
[22:03] <Openuser> Slart: and it is rated with critical importance mark
[22:03] <Openuser> Slart: xd
[22:03] <BoemLauw> spanther i'll double that AFTER i force it run in split screen SLI :-D
[22:03] <jesselucas> Is it possible to have two groups have different permissions for the same folders/files?
[22:03] <aklen> hi
[22:03] <Pelo> oxtailsoup, there are ppl from the whole world here,  we've got everytime
[22:03] <jrib> jesselucas: sure, with ACLs
[22:03] <Tolkien> ikonia: Question has been asked? :)
[22:03] <oxtailsoup> nice thing ^^
[22:03] <undecim> Pelo: Okay, scratch that. It doesn't make any difference with or without tracker when I search my comp for newly created files
[22:03] <stefg> !permissions | jesselucas
[22:03] <spanther> BoemLauw:  i didn't know linux could handle SLI :)
[22:03] <ubotu> jesselucas: An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[22:03] <Pelo> jesselucas, that's waht groups are for
[22:03] <Slart> Openuser: well.. if they can solve that one.. I guess lots of other things will follow.. almost by themselves =)
[22:04] <unop> Ademan, well, i think what you are looking for is something like "apt-get autoremove" but it probably won't work as his kde/xfce packages (and their depends) are still needed
[22:04]  * BoemLauw spanther It should ... right ? lemmie check :)
[22:04] <Openuser> by the way, is enough stable ubuntu rc to use at home?
[22:04] <spanther> BoemLauw: gimmeh 160euro and an SLI board then i have two 8800gt :P
[22:04]  * kindofabuzz gives spanther
[22:05] <spanther> lol
[22:05] <Pelo> Openuser, wait 2days
[22:05] <ikonia> Tolkien: so safemode from the boot menu on your laptop works, but normal boot doesn't
[22:05] <oxtailsoup> me too plz
[22:05] <BoemLauw> It runs sli just fine, but you need nvidia's drivers
[22:05] <unop> Ademan, i don't see it as any different from searching for all packages named 'kde' or 'xfce' in synaptic and then marking them to be removed
[22:05] <rwycuff> Openuser ...wait till thursaday
[22:05] <Tolkien> ikonia: Exactly. it boots me into BusyBox, whatever that is
[22:05] <spanther> BoemLauw: arent these restricred drives linux installs (ubuntu) from nvidia ?
[22:06] <ikonia> Tolkien: you mention the graphics card, what makes you think the graphics card is any relation to the problem ?
[22:06]  * BoemLauw spanther Hey i got mine working as an male escort
[22:06] <Ademan> unop: well i like the idea of removing based on a dependency tree rather than name, since   a ficticious package markdepends would match your 'kde' search and be removed
[22:06] <Openuser> Pelo: :-S ok , let's wait xd
[22:06] <Tolkien> ikonia: NetEcho did :D
[22:06] <NetEcho> ikonia at first when he brought the issue up I thought it might have been a gfx card issue
[22:06] <NetEcho> until I got further information
[22:06] <BoemLauw> spanther dunno, i don't use ubuntu's (I'll go for the closed beta's)
[22:06] <Ademan> unop: i suppose you could probably craft a more specific search, but it's still rather unreliable imho
[22:06] <ikonia> NetEcho: what pointed you at graphics card
[22:06] <unop> Ademan, which is his objective, unless i understood it wrong.
[22:06] <spanther> BoemLauw: but glxgears is a nice burn in test :) my graka fan is noisy xD not loud but i can hear it good :)
[22:07] <NetEcho> ikonia I had a similar issue with safemode and normalmode with my ati card but busybox was not part of the issue
[22:07] <zboy417> what's the 8.04 irc chat again?
[22:07] <zboy417> i had to reboot
[22:07] <spanther> ubuntu+1 ?
[22:07] <Exteris> zboy417, #ubuntu+1
[22:07] <zboy417> thanks
[22:07] <Pelo> Openuser, a few of us got 100meg + of updates today for the RC , we expect that by thuesday we'll probably have had enought updated to amount to a full release,  if you install RC you'll spend the next two days updating anyway, it's not worth it
[22:07] <NetEcho> but he's running a intel chipset gfx
[22:07] <Ademan> unop: i assumed he just wanted to remove kubuntu-desktop and anything it depends on that no longer needs
[22:07] <Styx^> hi
[22:07] <Styx^> I have a big problem
[22:07] <Styx^> big big
[22:08] <Ademan> !ask
[22:08] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[22:08] <ikonia> Tolkien: thats quite unusual, I wouldn't expect safe mode/normal to react so different.
[22:08] <Styx^> on a server of a friend, I cant do a sudo -s
[22:08] <BoemLauw> Yups, still the mother of all burnins comes with maya :-) No matter how fast you muti-million cluster may be. Maya will bring it DOWN :)
[22:08] <unop> Ademan, but, removing/puring kubuntu-desktop is unlikely to do anything .. not many packages depend on it
[22:08] <Styx^> I cant be root
[22:08] <BoemLauw> cpu/gpu wise
[22:08] <ikonia> Tolkien: would you say your tablet had any sort of unusual hardware in it ?
[22:08] <Tolkien> ikonia: Everything unusual always happens to me.
[22:08] <unop> s/puring/purging/
[22:08] <Tolkien> ikonia: Not really, just the tablet screen and thats about it
[22:08] <NetEcho> ikonia http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Q106/ViperC/1008804sp2.shtml  <-- thats the list of the hardware he has
[22:08] <Pelo> Styx^, don'T be root, it's not your system, be nice and do it on command at a time,  and it's sudo -su
[22:09] <oxtailsoup> Tolkien: don't be sad... Everything unusual always happens to me, too
[22:09] <Pici> Pelo: no, sudo -s is correct.
[22:09] <joaquine> hey everryone
[22:09] <Styx^> no Pelo, you dont understand sorry
[22:09]  * Pelo stands corrected
[22:09] <Ademan> unop: well see that's why it needs to go the other way around, remove everything that ONLY kubuntu-desktop depended on, since that would represent everything that was installed for the sake of kubuntu-desktop
[22:09] <ikonia> Tolkien: I'm guessing (and this is a guess without doing debugging) it's to do with your disk controller, in that it can't see the disks to boot properly
[22:09] <BoemLauw> sudo su - ? :)
[22:09] <Styx^> I know the password
[22:09] <ikonia> BoemLauw: no
[22:10] <compbrain> BoemLauw: sudo -s/sudo -i ftw
[22:10] <Tolkien> ikonia: Ok, so what am I supposed to do?
[22:10] <Ademan> Styx^: only certain users can sudo
[22:10] <Styx^> it is my friend, but, when I enter sudo -s
[22:10] <whiteeagle> Ademan: I don't need any kde or xfce app
[22:10] <Styx^> nothing !!
[22:10] <Pici> Styx^: Is your user in the admin group?
[22:10] <BoemLauw> Damn you, i was wrong all these years :P
[22:10] <Styx^> Ademan: I know, he is in the group admin
[22:10] <CelticLord> nuit!!
[22:10] <Tolkien> ikonia: If it helps, I have two external harddrives attached, one is always attached to the computer via SD plug.
[22:10] <jhoc2x_> help
[22:10] <Styx^> in the file sudoers
[22:10] <whiteeagle> actually this will remove 907MB from my system
[22:10] <ichat> [question] -    looking for a network enviroment - comparible  to  say  netware or ms Active dir.... -    google mostly just shows all kinds of ways how to set up samba, but i really say - if i would have wanted to keep  MS active dir - i wouldn't atempt to switch to ubuntu... - - what should i look for
[22:10] <ikonia> Tolkien: sd plug ?
[22:10] <Pici> jhoc2x_: You need to ask a question first
[22:10] <jhoc2x_> anyone have this problem?? my screen fixes at 640x480 resolution..
[22:11] <Tolkien> ikonia: For the SD card
[22:11] <ikonia> ooh
[22:11] <Pici> !ldap | ichat
[22:11] <ubotu> ichat: LDAP is the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol. For more information and installation instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer
[22:11] <Styx^> do you understand my problem ?
[22:11]  * Pelo is going to reboot , I knwo I know but I just remove a but load of services
[22:11] <Styx^> there are no way to be root
[22:11] <ichat> pici -so thats what to look for thanks
[22:11] <Styx^> capi@capix:~$ sudo -s
[22:11] <Styx^> capi@capix:~$
[22:11] <Styx^> just that
[22:11] <undecim> I've been having some problems with my Ubuntu 7.10 laptop recently. Every once in a while, It will completely freeze everything except the mouse. Ctrl+Alt+Backspce, Ctrl+Alt+F1, etc. stop working and I have to either hold down the power button or SysRq+Atl+R,E,I,S,U,B
[22:11] <BoemLauw> ah
[22:11] <beener> how do i hot key the master volume
[22:11] <Ademan> Styx^: you probably already know this, but when you do sudo, you enter your user's account password as opposed to a root password
[22:12] <kadakas> My Bluetooth laser mouse disconnects when im not using it for 30+ minutes. It reconnects like 3-5minutes, so can I just make Ubuntu keep the connection alive forever?
[22:12] <Styx^> I know Ademan
[22:12] <unop> Ademan, maybe, but afaik, there is no easy way to caclulate that tree - except maybe putting 'apt-cache depends ..' through a recursive loop
[22:12] <Styx^> can you see ?
[22:12] <Styx^> capi@capix:~$ sudo -s
[22:12] <Styx^> capi@capix:~$
[22:12] <FloodBot2> Styx^: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:12] <Styx^> nothing
[22:12] <NetEcho> Styx^ you enter it once per session
[22:12] <ikonia> Tolkien: for me, I'd look at the safe mode kernel options and do a test boot / few, with some of the safe mode options to try to guess what is causing the hardware problem, I would also try issuing "vga=ask" to the kernel boot line to put the framebuffer into multiple modes to make sure the graphics cards are causing issues
[22:12] <jhoc2x_> Pici: i dont know what just happen, after changing setting on wine, my screen is fixed at 680  reso  ..  after playing a game.. i cant change back ro 1024
[22:12] <joaquine> hey  everyone
[22:12] <Styx^> NetEcho: I know
[22:12] <Styx^> but I am not root
[22:12] <whiteeagle> jhoc2x_: kill the wine app
[22:12] <rwycuff> joaquine:hi
[22:12] <jhoc2x_> i did
[22:12] <Ademan> unop: maybe i'll write a little perl script lol
[22:12]  * BoemLauw ademan unless
[22:13] <BoemLauw> # Defaults targetpw    # ask for the password of the target user i.e. root
[22:13] <whiteeagle> jhoc2x_: actually, kill all wine apps
[22:13] <BoemLauw> # ALL ALL=(ALL) ALL # WARNING! Only use this together with 'Defaults targetpw'!
[22:13] <beener> im trying to get my hp media controle to work right in ubunut
[22:13] <dirtbag666> hi there
[22:13] <whiteeagle> !pastebin |
[22:13] <ubotu> : pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[22:13] <Exteris> Styx^, id -u ?
[22:13] <joaquine> anyyonee no hoow to chaange my typing speed bak
[22:13] <Tolkien> ikonia: I dont understand what you said. I'm technologically disabled
[22:13] <Styx^> 1000
[22:13] <BoemLauw> lol
[22:13] <jhoc2x_> whiteeagle:  i did.. i restarted my system.. still i cant change back to 1024
[22:13] <ikonia> Tolkien: thats not a quick process though, I appriciate I'm sending you down a long road
[22:13] <NetEcho> lol
[22:13] <dirtbag666> is there a good channels for issues with awk or may I ask somebody in here?
[22:13] <unop> Ademan, i've already written a perl script .. but it's overkill really, there really isn't anything wrong with the way i did it, it's been tried and tested quite a few times :)
[22:13] <whiteeagle> jhoc2x_: what drivers are you using
[22:13] <jhoc2x_> all im can see at the options is 640 down..
[22:13] <whiteeagle> jhoc2x_: better yet, what g. card do you have
[22:13] <jhoc2x_> glx
[22:14] <Tolkien> ikonia: I have no time
[22:14] <jhoc2x_> whiteeagle: mx4000
[22:14] <BoemLauw> God damn, this channel is on amfetamine
[22:14] <Ademan> unop: lol
[22:14] <Styx^> so ?
[22:14] <Styx^> any solutions ?
[22:14] <Ademan> BoemLauw: lightspeed
[22:14] <acidBURN> 2x of your total ram
[22:14] <ikonia> Tolkien: well, we are stuck thenm
[22:14] <ikonia> then
[22:15]  * Pelo is back to booting under 200 meg
[22:15] <Ademan> bah
[22:15] <BoemLauw> any ubuntu `lounce` channels ? :)
[22:15] <Tolkien> Alrighty
[22:15] <Tolkien> Take care buddy.
[22:15] <Ademan> i've never used swap EVER
[22:15] <beener> how do i make the hp media controls work right they dont play/pause, stop, and volume (though volume works but only the headphones
[22:15] <flagel> if virtualbox is installed, shouldn't it appear in the main Applications menu?
[22:15] <Ademan> the 2x memory rule pretty much falls apart after 1gb ram
[22:15] <Ademan> still good to do
[22:15] <jhoc2x_> how to reset vcard.. or is there a way to restore my settings??? or anything..
[22:15] <BoemLauw> Ademan better don't get involved in 3d then :D
[22:15] <whiteeagle> jhoc2x_: hmm... I can say I am partly fammiliar with your problem, because that also happened to me, but all I did was reboot, and everything was good after that, Note: I have an ATi card
[22:16] <Ademan> BoemLauw: lol, i don't render, but i develop...
[22:16] <jhoc2x_> whiteeagle: i did reboot 2 times.. hoping it will be gone.. ;)
[22:16] <jhoc2x_> but no luck on that
[22:16] <BoemLauw> Ademan, me to. But with colors :-D
[22:16] <jhoc2x_> whiteeagle: what comman to restart or restore anything?
[22:16] <Styx^> Ademan, Pici, can you help me ? I am deseperate :(
[22:16] <rwycuff> beener: thats gonna be something hardware specific you may wanna google those features with ubuntu and also the funtions would be in your xorg config some place for key setup
[22:17] <jhoc2x_> i even set the appearance to no effects..
[22:17] <jhoc2x_> still no luck
[22:17] <whiteeagle> jhoc2x_: just reboot from the menu
[22:17] <Nick123> Hello there can someone help me resize a partition in windows so i cn install ubuntu
[22:17] <beener> hm kubuntu set it automaticly.
[22:17] <jhoc2x_> whiteeagle: I did several times..
[22:17] <beener> alright ill google that
[22:17] <kristjans> heya, i have a problem. i have a 19" widescreen monitor, but it is too big. i need a window manager that would use my screen space more optimally, my attention span is not 19" :-(
[22:18] <whiteeagle> jhoc2x_: I don't know how to help you other than this
[22:18] <Nick123> Hello there can someone help me resize a partition in windows so i cn install ubuntu
[22:18] <whiteeagle> see the !forums
[22:18] <whiteeagle> !forums | jhoc2x_
[22:18] <ubotu> jhoc2x_: The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[22:18] <jhoc2x_> sad ... ;(
[22:18] <Ademan> Styx^: can you make a paste of your /etc/group file? (with specific mention of what user you are?
[22:18] <Ademan> !paste
[22:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[22:18] <whiteeagle> jhoc2x_: I'm sure you'll get a fast answer
[22:18] <BoemLauw> Nick123, why don't you go with vmware instead ?
[22:18] <rwycuff> kristjans: you jsut need to look up how to set xorg resolutions
[22:19] <oxtailsoup> Nick123 start the partition editor from the live CD you wanna install ubuntu from
[22:19] <Nick123> boemlauw: vmware?
[22:19] <Styx^> Ademan: http://pastebin.com/d56562fdc
[22:19] <Styx^> my user is capi
[22:19] <Nick123> oxtailsoup: it jut froze up
[22:19] <BoemLauw> the whole `resize ntfs` thing is as stable as charles manson on crack. Be aware
[22:19] <jhoc2x_> before.. last year i have same kind but not exactly same problem.. some guys told me how to edit the config file.. i dont recall the how to's...
[22:20]  * BoemLauw Nick123 or another `virtual` tool
[22:20] <LainIwakura> Are the forums down?
[22:20] <Ademan> Styx^: that looks like /etc/passwd not /etc/group
[22:20] <Styx^> oh, sorry
[22:20] <arooni_> i'm looking for software that lets me turn a couple of shorter characters into several paragraphs (macro type thing) within firefox at least (and other apps would be awesome, but its not required).  i'm running ubuntu gutsy, and have already checked addons.mozilla.org ... ideas?
[22:20] <whiteeagle> LainIwakura: yeah, sometimes there are because of the "upgrade" to newer vbulletin
[22:20] <Ademan> Styx^: no problem
[22:20] <andre_pl> i've seen posts on using setterm to disable console-blanking, but how can I make this change permanent?
[22:20] <LainIwakura> whiteeagle: Okay, thanks.
[22:20] <Pelo> jhoc2x_, can you restate your problem for me ?
[22:21] <whiteeagle> more like a downgrade if you're asking me
[22:21] <Styx^> http://pastebin.com/m3bf35c59
[22:21] <koro> I have a problem with the system->preferences->sound menu
[22:21] <koro> when i click on "help" it seems that the info that shows up describes a completely different window
[22:21] <Ademan> By the way, I should mention that everyone should be stocking up on packages today, the ubuntu servers are going to be overwhelmed for probably a week after hardy releases, so download your stuff NOW!
[22:21] <mlst> can i format ubuntu 8.04 on PATA HDD ?
[22:21] <koro> it talks about "general", "sound events" and "system bell" tabs
[22:21] <Nick123> boemlauw: vmware?
[22:22] <ikonia> delta94
[22:22] <BoemLauw> Nick123 yeah, www.vmware.com
[22:22] <koro> when what i see is "devices", "sounds" and " system beep"  tabs
[22:22] <Pelo> koro,  there might not be a help page for that specific tab
[22:22] <koro> anyone gets the same?
[22:22] <ikonia> open22
[22:22] <koro> Pelo: it is clearly a help page for a tab analogous to the one i'm seeing, except that different
[22:22] <Nick123> boemlauw: does it resize partitions
[22:22] <jhoc2x_> Pelo: i think im in safe mode or something
[22:22] <koro> this seems to be some kind of mistake, as if the tab was from an old version (or the help file was from an old version)
[22:22] <Pelo> koro, it is possibly that it has not been updated yet
[22:23] <koro> can someone confirm that they get the same thing?
[22:23] <jhoc2x_> Pelo: just like in windows xp.. when i go to safe mode, i can only choose a lower screen resolutions..
[22:23] <koro> i'm on gutsy btw
[22:23] <Pelo> jhoc2x_, what's your video card ?
[22:23] <BoemLauw> Nick123 now, but thats why I asked. Do you `really` want to do that. Just for installing linux. Is it an option for you to install linux as a virtual ? If not. Skip it.
[22:23] <sploby> Could some one help me with dual monitor, It seen to not work with me
[22:23] <jhoc2x_> Pelo: geforce mx4000
[22:23] <jhoc2x_> Pelo: an hour ago, it was working fine
[22:23] <Pelo> jhoc2x_,  did you install the restricted driver ?
[22:24] <jhoc2x_> Pelo: yes i did.. infact i played several windows game.. resoulution 1024x768
[22:24] <sploby> where do i get
[22:24] <Pelo> jhoc2x_, go in meny < system < admin < restricted driver   see if it is still being used
[22:24] <jhoc2x_> Pelo: ok..
[22:24] <koro> additionally, the sound options don't seem to be working properly
[22:24] <Styx^> Ademan: http://pastebin.com/m3bf35c59 solution ?
[22:25] <Nick123> boemlauw: o i see what it is
[22:25] <jhoc2x_> Pelo: check... all green.. in use..
[22:25] <sploby> Yes, but every time i fix in there i can't log in anymore
[22:25] <Nick123> anyone know how to resize partitons in windows
[22:25] <Pelo> !sound > koro check for a private message windows with instructions from ubotu
[22:25] <koro> i have " play system sounds" enabled, but i don't get any except the logon/logoff sounds
[22:25] <Pelo> jhoc2x_, gforce is ati right ?
[22:25] <oxtailsoup> Nick123 resize it with the linux live CD
[22:25] <jhoc2x_> Pelo: no.. im afraid not
[22:25] <woj> gn8
[22:25] <jhoc2x_> Pelo: geforce is geforce..
[22:26] <jhoc2x_> Pelo: Ati is their counterpart.
[22:26] <Nick123> oxtailsoup: it forze up
[22:26]  * milia se kana 8wro or so
[22:26] <koro> Pelo: thanks but i have none of those problems
[22:26] <Ademan> Styx^: i'm asking around, one moment
[22:26] <Nick123> oxtailsoup: said it was goign to take very long time
[22:26] <Styx^> Ademan: I have found
[22:26] <BoemLauw> Nick123 What windows are we talking about ? resising vista ntfs can results in psychotic aggressive behavior.
[22:26] <Nick123> boemlauw: xp
[22:26] <BoemLauw> ok
[22:26] <Styx^> friends on #ubuntu-fr have found
[22:26] <Styx^> admin:x:111:capi:styx
[22:26] <Pelo> jhoc2x_, ok try this, open a terminal type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  ,  let it autodetect , always leave the default answers unless you abslutely know better , then restart X
[22:26] <Styx^> here, the syntax
[22:27] <Pelo> jhoc2x_,  I mean I beleive that ati is the manufacturer,  but nvm
[22:27] <jhoc2x_> Pelo: ok.. i'll do that.. thanks..
[22:27] <oxtailsoup> Nick123 is the xp installed on  the partition you wanna make smaller?
[22:27] <Nick123> oxtailsoup: yep
[22:27] <scorp123> Hi all
[22:28] <scorp123> Sorry if this has been asked before ... Does anyone know what's wrong with the Ubuntu Forums?
[22:28] <Ademan> Styx^: i dunno what's wrong, one possibility is that admin is not specified as being able to sudo within /etc/sudoers
[22:28] <Odd-rationale> scorp123: it is being updated...
[22:28] <oxtailsoup> mh, i don't think, that you can do this with windows xp running
[22:28] <Styx^> Ademan: it is just the syntax
[22:28] <Ademan> Styx^: ah k
[22:28] <Styx^> Ademan: admin:x:111:capi:styx
[22:28]  * BoemLauw Nick123 Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntfsresize
[22:28] <sploby> what is the sudo code to install the ATI drivers?
[22:28] <Balkan> selam
[22:28] <Styx^> now, I have f....
[22:29] <scorp123> Odd-rationale: ah, OK ... that explains why the web site is not reachable. Thank you.
[22:29] <Ademan> Styx^: ah instead of a comma?
[22:29] <Styx^> am*
[22:29] <Pelo> scorp123, they got an owerhaul yesterday,  aren't they fine now ?  try crtl+f5  to force clear your cache
[22:29] <jhoc2x_> ok.. i'll have to restar now.. brb
[22:29] <Styx^> i dont understand sorry what you say
[22:29] <acidBURN> have they fix the flash problem with firefox
[22:29] <Nick123> oxtailsoup: dam
[22:29] <Odd-rationale> scorp123: http://www.mikesplanet.net/2008/04/ubuntu-forums-upgraded/
[22:29] <oxtailsoup> okay, the installation of ubuntu was completet, but when i reboot, Grub is now saying Error 17 and i can't start windows or ubuntu
[22:29] <scorp123> Pelo: I tried from multiple locations / multiple computers / multiple providers .... I am sure it isn't my cache ;)
[22:29] <BoemLauw> acidBURN. With THEY you mean macromedia ? :)
[22:29] <acidBURN> yes , adobe
[22:30] <acidBURN> there where several sites, that could not be view due to a older flash mod
[22:30] <BoemLauw> No, as expected. 32bit firefox on 64bit os will do
[22:31] <koro> So, could someone using gutsy gibbon try and go to system->preferences->sound and check if the help page that you get when you click on " help" describes something different than what you see?
[22:31] <koro> in particular, do you get a " general sound preferences" tab in there?
[22:31] <koro> 'cos it seems that i need that tab to configure what i want, but it's not showing up
[22:31] <djzn> why are there still people doing a /boot partition separately from /
[22:31] <oxtailsoup> can you help me? my GRUB shows Error 17 before I can choose the OS (installed is Ubuntu and Windows XP)
[22:31] <scorp123> djzn: because it's desirable to have that ... at least for me it is.
[22:32] <Odd-rationale> djzn: becuase in the old days, the boot partition needed to be first...
[22:32] <djzn> Odd-rationale: that means, it is no no longer required... just like the "rule of thumb" which says swap should be 2*RAM
[22:32]  * BoemLauw djzn Because linux can't boot from  XFS
[22:33] <SidToner> heylo
[22:33] <scorp123> djzn: for servers that would still be true ;)
[22:33] <Odd-rationale> djzn: the second is still a good rule if you plan to suspend to disk...
[22:33] <pinksoviet> Erm, would this be the right place to ask for help about sysfs?
[22:33]  * BoemLauw loves to explain that at work. That whould be a 128GB swapfile !
[22:33] <djzn> the other day I did a test
[22:33] <remu> hey all, is the forum down?
[22:33] <scorp123> remu: yes.
[22:34] <Odd-rationale> remu: it is being updated
[22:34] <scorp123> remu: I just asked the same :)
[22:34] <Odd-rationale> remu: http://www.mikesplanet.net/2008/04/ubuntu-forums-upgraded/
[22:34] <koro> i'm like, pleeease, someone :( it's just a matter of 2 clicks, do you have "general sound preferences" tab under system->preferences->sound or not?
[22:34] <SidToner> i just installed a new video card in 8.04 and tried to reconfigure xorg.conf but it skips over the video card part and only does the keyboard stuff... any ideas how to do it the usual way?
[22:34] <remu> scorp123: lol, thanks
[22:34] <koro> i want to know if something is broken in my install or this is a general problem
[22:34] <remu> Odd-rationale: thanks
[22:34] <djzn> i loaded 20 windows of firefox, 18 windows from OpenOffice.org, opened Brasero, editors, I think I actually opened almost all applications in ubuntu and left it open, then I checked with "free"... the swap was 98 bytes...!!LOL LOL
[22:35] <scorp123> koro: don't know what you mean
[22:35] <koro> scorp123: i need someone to check in their system->preferences-> sound menu
[22:35] <pinksoviet> I can't get my sysfsutils to start up at boot, but oddly enough it does start up at boot if Ubuntu does a disk check... is there any way to rectify the problem?
[22:35] <Whosrodney> sorry if this has been asked been before, but is the repo server down?
[22:35] <scorp123> djzn: how much RAM do you have in that system then?
[22:35] <koro> i want to know if they see a "general sound preferences" tab in that menu
[22:35]  * BoemLauw koro I do
[22:35] <djzn> scorp123: 2GB of RAM
[22:35] <koro> BoemLauw: are you on gutsy?
[22:35] <ramis> hello guys....i need some help with postfix on gutsy........
[22:35] <oxtailsoup> does anyone know what GRUB Error 17 means?
[22:35] <scorp123> koro: yes?
[22:35] <koro> damn... wth is wrong with my system then
[22:35] <tony_> Can anybody tell me if Ubuntu forum is down?
[22:36] <Odd-rationale> tony_: yes http://www.mikesplanet.net/2008/04/ubuntu-forums-upgraded/
[22:36] <ramis> yes it is down for update
[22:36] <scorp123> koro: What's the problem?
[22:36] <koro> scorp123: i don't see that tab
[22:36] <scorp123> djzn: same here @home
[22:36] <koro> in fact i don't see any of the tabs described in the help file
[22:36] <Whosrodney> is the repo server also down?
[22:36] <scorp123> djzn: but at work we have 8 GB RAM per machine and more.
[22:36] <Whosrodney> i'm getting weird errors when update
[22:36] <koro> i see "devices" "sounds" and "system beep"
[22:36] <BoemLauw> No the hardy, but under gutsy i had it as well
[22:36] <SidToner> did something change in 8.04 to make reconfigure xorg.conf not work right ?
[22:36] <djzn> scorp123: even with suspend-to-disk.... it wouldn't be 2GB needed at all ????
[22:36] <tony_> Thanks
[22:36] <samu> oxtailsoup: it means you are trying to access an invalid device driver
[22:36] <zvacet>   oxtailsoup :                 http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm#17
[22:37] <koro> BoemLauw: oh maybe it's a hardy thing
[22:37] <scorp123> koro: are you sure you are not following some old instructions or something? Sometimes the look of a program will change between releases.
[22:37] <Whosrodney> anybody?
[22:37] <Whosrodney> having errors when doing aptitude update?
[22:37] <ramis> guys, my mail.log is getting full too fast.....i only have like 10 email accounts as very light users....
[22:37] <scorp123> koro: e.g. some progs looked differently in old Ubuntu releases than they look now
[22:37] <remu> sorry to poll people here, but other than pidgin, what would you say is one of the better irc clients for ubuntu (when i say better, i mean, faster, less resource intensive, yet "pretty" (meaning functional and not fugly))
[22:37] <zvacet> Whosrodney :  what kind of errors?
[22:37] <Ryanhedge> Hello can anyone point me to a list of compatible MP3 players that work on Linux
[22:38] <koro> scorp123: i'm not following instructions, i just go to system->preferences->sound and i see diffferent things than what is described in the help section of that very window
[22:38] <scorp123> koro: if you are following some instructions or something and they are too old, chances are that what you see will not be the same what is described in the "how to" or whatever text you are reading.
[22:38] <Whosrodney> zvacet: Err http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/main Translation-en_US
[22:38] <Whosrodney> zvacet: Connection failed
[22:38] <Whosrodney> zvacet: 99% [5 Translation-en_US bzip2 0] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers]bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
[22:38] <Whosrodney> zvacet: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2  Connection faile
[22:39] <koro> scorp123: i'm just trying to see why i'm not getting the system sounds (like checkboxes and such things). I *do* have working sound, i even get the logon/logoff sounds properly, but not the sounds from clicking checkboxes and such stuff
[22:39] <DanikarPN> Ryanhedge: Look in Add/Remove programs
[22:39] <SidToner> i'm trying to install a new video card with 8.04 installed tried reconfiguring xorg by using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; and it doesn't work right... any ideas?
[22:39] <zvacet> Whosrodney : i tried sec ago and it is working.I mean it is not down.
[22:39] <Odd-rationale> Ryanhedge: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices
[22:39]  * mojo is away: Away
[22:39] <Ryanhedge> No I mean as in an Ipod or Usb MP3 player not software.
[22:39] <Ryanhedge> Oh thanks Odd.
[22:39] <koro> when i click on "help" under system->preferences->sound, i see a description of things that are not in that window (for example they talk about a " general sound preferences" tab which i'm not seeing)
[22:39]  * BoemLauw koro What is ?
[22:39] <DanikarPN> Ryanhedge: sorry about that =)
[22:40] <Odd-rationale> Ryanhedge: although not listed, my choice would be a cowon
[22:40] <scorp123> koro: sudo apt-get install esound libesd-alsa0 libsdl1.2debian-all
[22:40] <Ryanhedge> cowon?
[22:40]  * BoemLauw loking
[22:40] <pinksoviet> Cowon!
[22:40] <pinksoviet> Their D2's are nice..
[22:40] <SidToner> ok
[22:40] <scorp123> koro: and make sure "ESD" is selected as sound system
[22:40] <zvacet> Whosrodney : In system<admin>software sources chanfe server to main
[22:40] <SidToner> let me try this another way... how would you reccomend installing a new video card?
[22:41] <koro> scorp123: ok i'm trying that
[22:41] <zvacet>  *change
[22:41] <Odd-rationale> Ryanhedge: http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/ cowon's products can be used just like a portable flashdrive in linux
[22:41] <Ryanhedge> Good.
[22:41] <scorp123> koro: don't worry about the messages you will get about removing packages and stuff ... everything will be fine in the end.
[22:41] <BoemLauw> hmmm
[22:41] <Whosrodney> zvacet: ok
[22:41] <SidToner> i hate you all
[22:42] <guja_nebeska> What's with ubuntuforums.org ?
[22:42] <Odd-rationale> Ryanhedge: plus it is one of the few that supports flac and ogg natively!
[22:42] <BoemLauw> SidToner Cool :)
[22:42] <Ruairidh> guja_nebeska?
[22:42] <zvacet> Whosrodney Meaning it is working now or what
[22:42] <Odd-rationale> guja_nebeska: updated
[22:42] <scorp123> guja_nebeska: software update
[22:42] <Ruairidh> They're pretty nice
[22:42] <guja_nebeska> Ruairidh, can't find server.
[22:42] <guja_nebeska> Won't load page.
[22:42] <Ruairidh> Though the categories can be kinda overwhelming
[22:42] <Ruairidh> Oh?
[22:42] <seamus7> How can I get Twhirl and Pidgin to open links in Firefox again .. what should I do to get them reconnected in that way?
[22:42]  * Ruairidh tries
[22:42] <Odd-rationale> guja_nebeska: http://www.mikesplanet.net/2008/04/ubuntu-forums-upgraded/
[22:42] <agibby5> in everyones opinion, is it safe to install Hardy on a daily used 7.10 computer today?  I'm dying to get some of the features...
[22:42] <scorp123> guja_nebeska: software update. They are updating the forum. That's why.
[22:43] <Ruairidh> Ah yeah
[22:43] <Ryanhedge> Do all the models work?
[22:43] <SidToner> BoemLauw: just trying to get what should be a simple question answered... or at least someone say that they haven't a clue
[22:43] <BoemLauw> apt-get install linuxlogo (Best tool ever created !)
[22:43] <guja_nebeska> When it's going to be done?
[22:43] <guja_nebeska> Update.
[22:43] <Whosrodney> agibby5: I wouldn't
[22:43] <Odd-rationale> Ryanhedge: i beleive so...
[22:43] <Ruairidh> guja_nebeska: I'd imagine 2 hours max?
[22:43] <scorp123> guja_nebeska: see the link that was given to you
[22:43] <guja_nebeska> Okay.
[22:43] <Ruairidh> Though I don't have any official word :p
[22:43] <guja_nebeska> Thanks.
[22:43] <agibby5> Whosrodney: reason?
[22:43] <BoemLauw> SidToner i'm sorry, must have overlooked it. Can you ask it again. (I ain't browsing this chan)
[22:43] <NW2190> Hi, does anyone know how to use a .debdiff file?
[22:43] <SidToner> i'm trying to install a new video card with 8.04 installed tried reconfiguring xorg by using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; and it doesn't work right... any ideas?
[22:43] <BoemLauw> Hit me
[22:43] <pinksoviet> Could anybody help me with sysfsutils? It wont start up on boot... or when Ubuntu loads, that is.
[22:43] <tawt> how do i register my nick?
[22:44] <Whosrodney> agibby5: I've had bad luck before when I upgraded too early
[22:44] <Ruairidh> Do /ns register password
[22:44] <scorp123> SidToner: what video card is that?
[22:44] <Odd-rationale> !register | tawt
[22:44] <Bucky> I'm having some trouble with slow X forwarding (e.g. ssh -Y host firefox). Anyone else experience this in the last few versions (7x 8x) and know a solution?
[22:44] <BoemLauw> SidToner What type of video card are we talking about ?
[22:44] <SidToner> radeon 9550
[22:44] <ubotu> tawt: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[22:44] <eimajentha1> Hello, I need to setup a file server (samba, ftp, http, rsync), with a software RAID0 configuration on IDE drives.  Would prefer no GUI.  Am I better off with the alternate install CD, or the server install CD?
[22:44] <seamus7> agibby5: I think what's available now is pretty much the final product minus a few last minute updates .. of course no one can guarantee how your system will react .. but my laptop is working smoothly since I upgraded two days ago
[22:44] <agibby5> Whosrodney: i already have hardy on a test computer that I use... but didn't know if it was wise to put on my daily use computer.  its only 2 days out...
[22:44] <agibby5> seamus7: exactly... thats what i was thinking since we're only about 2 days from release
[22:44] <scorp123> SidToner: and what was the previous card?
[22:44] <Whosrodney> agibby5: your choice
[22:44] <BoemLauw> Bucky you got your DNS resolving right on the boxes ?
[22:44] <agibby5> Whosrodney: true, tru
[22:44] <agibby5> Whosrodney: true, true**
[22:45] <Bucky> Yes.
[22:45] <SidToner> BoemLauw: radeon 9550 not a great card but i'm getting about 100% cpu usage just displaying a window... it was a 9200
[22:45] <koro> scorp123: this doesn't seem to be what i need
[22:45] <koro> my sound works just fine
[22:45] <koro> alsa works prefectly
[22:45] <seamus7> agibby5: I like to get it a few days early cause the day of release is a major headache when downloading
[22:45] <BoemLauw> SidToner ai... Me not ati owning. However, why don't you download the driver/installer from ati ?
[22:45] <agibby5> true, good point...
[22:45] <koro> i have a problem with the context menus displaying different things than what they should be displaying
[22:45] <BoemLauw> Their drivers are closed, but hey. They are FAST like they should be
[22:45] <scorp123> SidToner: so it was a radeon too? Hmmm ... I would suppose it should "just work" because it uses the same driver?
[22:45] <zvacet> seamus7 :does it have to be first day of release?
[22:46] <RodGo> if i am a blogger who just moved to ubuntu, what is the best rss feed reader you recommend me to use?
[22:46] <Bucky> It's more of a general thing when connecting to my Ubuntu machines (multilpe boxes in multiple places running various X servers). I'm thinking there is a configuration issue on my end, but I've not found it.
[22:46] <agibby5> seamus7: i'm gonna move my /home directory, etc... and try to upgrade tonight.   if i upgrade  using online sources rather than burning a cd, is that the same as downloading the rc iso?
[22:46] <SidToner> BoemLauw: usually the one installed automatically works best... at least for me in the past... that's why iwas trying to just do the auto reconfigure
[22:46] <zvacet> agibby5 yes
[22:46] <seamus7> zvacet: yes if you're unable to be adult about the whole thing
[22:46] <agibby5> zvacet: figured...
[22:46] <Odd-rationale> RodGo: I really like akregator, lifera didn;t quite cut it for me...
[22:47] <ianliu_88> Do someone use wxMaxima here?
[22:47] <RodGo> where can i see instructions to install it?
[22:47] <eimajentha1> Hello, I need to setup a file server (samba, ftp, http, rsync), with a software RAID0 configuration on IDE drives.  Would prefer no GUI.  Am I better off with the alternate install CD, or the server install CD?
[22:47] <BoemLauw> SidToner that isn't true. It works, but thats all it does. No accel. Your eye candy comes are a price.
[22:47] <mlst> Can i instal ubuntu 8.04 on pata hdd ???
[22:47] <zvacet> seamus7 : sorry don´ understand
[22:47] <RodGo> am using gnome
[22:47] <RodGo> can i install it anyway?
[22:47] <BoemLauw> Don't be afraid to try their drivers. My mom can do it. (I think)
[22:47] <Odd-rationale> RodGo: search synaptic for akgregator.
[22:47] <Bucky> When I say slow response I'm referring to X painting slowly (ssh -Y host firefox). Even xclock is slow.
[22:47] <Odd-rationale> RodGo: or just search for rss to see all rss news feeder...
[22:48] <SidToner> BoemLauw: no eye candy needed... nothing fancy ... trying to get this to work as a media center pc... playing movie files mostly... but i will give that a try... thanks
[22:48] <seamus7> zvacet: those of us who cant' delay gratification MUST upgrade to Hardy asap
[22:48] <BoemLauw> Bucky are you on a LAN or WAN ?
[22:48] <BoemLauw> movie files without accel = CPU intensive
[22:48] <beener> anyone here have a hp pvailion lappy?
[22:48] <BoemLauw> But hey, you're box. You're call
[22:48] <koro> ubuntuforums is down?
[22:49] <BoemLauw> I had one
[22:49] <Bucky> Currently LAN, but both are slow.
[22:49] <zvacet> seamus7 :O.K.
[22:49] <ianliu_88> I am trying to apt-get install build-essential, but Ubuntu is requesting me to put the CD-ROM. Why he can't get from Web??
[22:49] <SidToner> BoemLauw: i am going to try the regular driver... thanks again
[22:49] <beener> im lookin but i cant figure how to get the media controls to work
[22:49] <SidToner> BoemLauw: the one you reccomended that is
[22:49] <mlst> Can i instal ubuntu 8.04 on pata hdd ???
[22:49] <SidToner> mlst: yes
[22:49] <BoemLauw> X is a SLOW protocol. but in a lan it should work `normal` hmm
[22:49] <seamus7> agibby5: I upgraded via the update manager .. some people would rather download the iso and do complete fresh install .. but my upgrade went well so I just took that route since it was a lot easier
[22:50] <BoemLauw> SidToner I'll look it up for you. Hang tight
[22:50] <SidToner> mlst:  that is what i'm doing now
[22:50] <agibby5> seamus7: that's what i did on my test machine... no issues
[22:50] <SidToner> BoemLauw: no prob i'll just use the restricted driver installer :)
[22:50] <BoemLauw> This release of the ATI Catalyst. Linux driver introduces early look support for Ubuntu 8.04 which is also known as Hardy Heron.
[22:50] <Starnestommy> ianliu_88: go to System > Administration > Software Sources then tell it to not use the cdrom
[22:50] <BoemLauw> http://core.tweakers.net/meuktracker/17563/ati-catalyst-linux-display-driver-84.html
[22:50] <Ryanhedge> Thanks for the help
[22:50] <zvacet> ianliu_88  : gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list      and put # in front of line cdrom ( I think it is first one).Save and close. sudo apt-get update
[22:50]  * BoemLauw SidToner Thats a waste of GPU power my friend.
[22:50] <pinksoviet> Sorry if I'm repeating my question too much, but does anybody have a way to make sysfsutils start at boot? It's for my trackpoint configuration, and I really don't want to type sudo /etc/init.d/sysfsutils start in terminal every time I start Ubuntu.
[22:51] <koro> ok i just found a post saying that the problem of sound preferences not matching the help file is a general problem in gutsy
[22:51] <Speedy> pinksoviet,  yes
[22:51] <Speedy> easy
[22:51] <SidToner> BoemLauw: that's not same driver? oh damn
[22:51] <pinksoviet> Oh?
[22:51] <Bucky> ssh -Y forwarding of Eclipse is faster under Ubuntu 6 than Ubuntu 8 on considerably better hardware
[22:51] <seamus7> agibby5: I did make the mistake of choosing to keep my old menu.lst during the upgrade and ended up using the old kernel .. didn't realize it at first until I noticed the compiz effects were buggy .. I updated grub to the new kernel and all was smooth again :)
[22:51] <BoemLauw> SidToner no, it's ATI's
[22:51] <Speedy> pinksoviet, you can use a small bash script and tell the sessions manager to run it at boot
[22:52] <Twi|ighT> ssh -Y? is that like ssh -X?
[22:52] <pinksoviet> Forgive me, but I'm not familiar with a bash script.
[22:52] <Bucky> Yes
[22:52] <Twi|ighT> Bucky, ?
[22:52] <SidToner> BoemLauw: getting the ati one now
[22:52] <pinksoviet> For some odd reason, sysfsutils DOES start at boot whenever Ubuntu conducts a disk check, but only then... oddly enough.
[22:52] <WhoNeedszzz> Hello all, I have an HP Pavillion dv 6000 series laptop and am trying to install ubuntu. It comes up saying about running in low-graphics mode and if i continue it fails. How do I configure it properly; I don't know what to select for the monitor and such.
[22:53]  * BoemLauw SidToner thank me later when your desktop changes into a 24 style CTU workstation
[22:53] <Bucky> We have a few people at the office that prefer Ubuntu, and I run a few Ubuntu servers in production. Lately I've spent more time usng ssh X11 forwarding and I'm noticing a performance difference between Ubuntu 6 and 7 or 8.
[22:53] <zvacet> WhoNeedszzz : hit F1 and start from there
[22:53] <SidToner> BoemLauw: lol thanks... it's an older card but i hope it will do
[22:53] <WhoNeedszzz> zvacet: ?
[22:54] <Speedy> pinksoviet,
[22:54] <Speedy> #!/bin/bash
[22:54] <Speedy> /etc/init.d/sysfsutils
[22:54] <Speedy> save that and make it executable
[22:54] <alexissoft> hi
[22:54] <remu> WhoNeedszzz: I have a dv2700, its similar I believe, but a smaller screen, I had this problem when trying to install from the livecd, however the livecd wouldnt boot up, so i used the alternate cd to install, and then the nvidia drivers were installed from the restricted drivers once i booted into the new install
[22:54] <Speedy> then tell the session manager to run it at book
[22:54] <Speedy> *boot
[22:54] <Twi|ighT> Bucky, that must be related to X
[22:54] <FloodBot2> Speedy: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:54] <pinksoviet> Ah, okay.
[22:54] <alexissoft> i've just installed kubuntu on my brand new xps m1530
[22:54] <alexissoft> and
[22:54] <alexissoft> hoooooooo
[22:54] <alexissoft> the x86_64 repos are nearly empty
[22:54] <BoemLauw> Still, the 9800 drivers from ati are about 8000 times faster then the `boring` ones
[22:54] <pinksoviet> Thank you in advance!
[22:54] <alexissoft> mencoder doesn't exist
[22:54] <Twi|ighT> it seems sytrange though
[22:54] <FloodBot2> alexissoft: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:54] <alexissoft> FloodBot2: THANKS !
[22:54] <WhoNeedszzz> remu, oh ok. u didn't install the nvidia binary?
[22:54] <zvacet> WhoNeedszzz : when you boot you can press F1 for help and then see what you can do with graphic
[22:54] <alexissoft> and so libfaac
[22:54] <Speedy> pinksoviet,  you might wanna make the file your executing executable by your user rather than just root aswell
[22:54] <alexissoft> and so on
[22:54] <Odd-rationale> alexissoft: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.lst ?
[22:55] <alexissoft> Odd-rationale: np
[22:55] <pinksoviet> Okay then.
[22:55] <alexissoft> Odd-rationale: i have universe/multiverse throug
[22:55] <WhoNeedszzz> zvacet: ah
[22:55] <Slart> alexissoft: I'm almost certain the repos aren't anywhere near empty.. at least not the ones I'm using
[22:55] <remu> WhoNeedszzz: I just installed the alternate, then when I booted into ubuntu the first time, I went in with the lowgraphics thing, then installed the nvidia driver from the restricted drivers manager
[22:55] <yowshi> hmmm i need a burner better then k3b
[22:55] <alexissoft> http://rafb.net/p/gmYthp95.html
[22:55] <DanikarPN> Does anyone know if the special function keys on keyboards work with ubuntu well? I am thinking about getting a new keyboard, but want to make sure I can get all the features to work
[22:56] <alexissoft> when i mean the repos are empty
[22:56] <Bucky> At first I thought it was related to my local X server (e.g. either Cygwin or X-Win32) but I'm getting the same repaint issue under Ubuntu 7.10 when connecting to my newly built 8.04 beta machine.
[22:56] <alexissoft> that some important software doesn't exist
[22:56] <yowshi> k3b isnt handling the burning i need it cant burn .img files or apparent bin/cue files and such
[22:56] <alexissoft> because they are built for amd64
[22:56] <WhoNeedszzz> remu, ok but i just heard that the restricted driver isn't as good
[22:56] <alexissoft> and not x86_64
[22:56] <yowshi> anyone know of a better burner?
[22:56] <Slart> yowshi: gnome-baker, brasero are two... I use brasero myself
[22:56] <WhoNeedszzz> remu, i use the binary on my desktop
[22:56] <yowshi> for amd64
[22:56] <alexissoft> (and x86_64 > amd64)
[22:56] <Odd-rationale> alexissoft: is that the whole thing?
[22:56] <alexissoft> yes
[22:56] <yowshi> Slart: tried brasero it couldnt do it
[22:56] <Odd-rationale> alexissoft: you seem to be missing some repos... Did it come that way?
[22:56] <Slart> alexissoft: is there a difference? I thought amd64 was to be used for all 64bit cpus..
[22:57] <remu> WhoNeedszzz: oh okay, I've been using the restricted, and its worked best and easiest for me, allows me to play most of the games i want and everything, i had one laptop with a geforce go 6150, and now mine is the 8400m
[22:57] <Slart> !amd64
[22:57] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[22:57] <alexissoft> Slart: no, i have a core2duo here
[22:57]  * BoemLauw Slart not `all`
[22:57] <alexissoft> which is EMT64
[22:57] <alexissoft> and AMD64 and EMT64 are x86_64 based
[22:57] <guja_nebeska> ubuntuforums started working again.
[22:57] <guja_nebeska> Just to let u know.
[22:57] <alexissoft> this is the gcd of the two :)
[22:57] <remu> WhoNeedszzz: the restricted one is not open-source, but it works better and easier than anything else ive seen
[22:57] <yowshi> Slart: brasero cant find the .img file even though it is in the same directory as the .cue file
[22:57] <jhoc2x> hey..!! im back.. thanks it work.. i have manage to get back at higher resolution.. thanks..
[22:57] <RoAkSoAx> alex-weej, EMT64 are Intel Processors that support OSs of 64bit
[22:58] <WhoNeedszzz> remu, yeah the m is really messed up, they altered it and thus need there own drivers
[22:58] <alexissoft> i know
[22:58] <alexissoft> i'm on 64bit here
[22:58] <WhoNeedszzz> remu, i hate it
[22:58] <alexissoft> but EMT64 doesn't support AMD64 because EMT64 is intel and AMD64 is AMD
[22:58] <_elemental> what does /etc really stand for, not et cetera... but.....
[22:58] <remu> WhoNeedszzz: what video card do you have?
[22:58] <Odd-rationale> _elemental: yes, et cetera... :)
[22:58] <Slart> alexissoft: are you really really really sure about this.. I thought all 64-bit cpus used the amd64 version..
[22:58] <alexissoft> x86_64 is the GCD of EMT64 and AMD64, so if mencoder is built for the amd64 architecture, the emt64 users will miss it
[22:58]  * BoemLauw remu, why run a restricted driver for your video card ? It's like buying a ferrari with mud flaps
[22:58] <Starnestommy> _elemental: that's that it stands for
[22:58] <Illbiteyournose> can anyone help me out with dvd playback issue?
[22:58] <RoAkSoAx> alexissoft, nobody saud that AMD64 supported EMT64
[22:58] <alexissoft> ah ok
[22:58] <WhoNeedszzz> remu, can't remember offhand
[22:58] <alexissoft> so i can tell apt to force using amd64 repos
[22:59] <Slart> yowshi: is the path correct in the cue file?
[22:59] <remu> BoemLauw: im new to linux (4 months or so) and the restricted was the easiest for me
[22:59] <_elemental> Odd-rationale, Starnestommy: know where I can find that documented?  I got a bet ridding on this... :)
[22:59] <RoAkSoAx> alexissoft, both, amd64 and emt64 are fully supported, so you shouldn't have any probs
[22:59] <prakriti> has anybody tried getting Rhythmbox to work with a UPnP server?
[23:00] <prakriti> I installed all the py modules the "DLNA/UPnP Sharing and controll support" plugin needed
[23:00] <remu> BoemLauw: is there a better way to install the nvidia drivers? i'd love to try it out if there is
[23:00] <prakriti> but I cant see any servers, or even hit the configure button
[23:00] <Exlax> is there any way to control fanspeed for Nvidia GPU's in ubuntu?
[23:00] <cjae> Hi, is there a way in 7.10 to make the screen saver work on my plasma to prevent burn in but still be able to use my monitor? My xorg.conf is setup as two separate screens (independent tv out) not twinview or anything
[23:00] <cjae> nvidia of course
[23:01] <prakriti> turn the tv off?
[23:01] <prakriti> hehe
[23:01] <cjae> lol
[23:01] <Slart> Exlax: yes.. if you're using the binary driver.. can't remember the command.. nvclock or something
[23:01]  * BoemLauw remu Ok well thats a reason. But hey i'll walk you right trough the install
[23:01] <BoemLauw> It's dead easy
[23:01] <cjae> not for me it for others that use this box and forget to turn the tv off
[23:02] <billgoldberg> Are the ubuntuforums.org down or is it only me?
[23:02] <Odd-rationale> billgoldberg: it is being updated
[23:02] <remu> BoemLauw: that sounds great, I just installed the hardy rc, and its bugging me to do the updates, should i do that first, or do the driver first? I'm running the restricted right now
[23:02] <DanikarP1> billgoldberg: they are down
[23:02] <billgoldberg> ok
[23:02] <billgoldberg> i'll wait a few hours
[23:02] <Slart> alexissoft: from the ubuntu site.. description for the amd64 iso "Choose this to take full advantage of computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon). If you have a non-64-bit processor made by AMD, or if you need full support for 32-bit code, use the Intel x86 images instead."
[23:02] <matt___> how can i download all the images here:
[23:02] <matt___> http://www.archives.gov/research/ww2/photos/images/ww2-85.jpg
[23:02] <Illbiteyournose> can anyone here help with dvd playback in Gutsy?
[23:03] <alexissoft> I'VE UNDERSTOOD !
[23:03]  * BoemLauw remu what nvidia card do you have now ? and are you running 32 or 64bit ?
[23:03] <alexissoft> sorry.
[23:03] <alexissoft> i wrote "multivers"
[23:03] <alexissoft> and not "multiverse"
[23:03] <FloodBot2> alexissoft: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:03] <alexissoft> .........
[23:03] <proq> matt___: you just listed one image...
[23:03] <matt___> i tried to download all the images http://www.archives.gov/research/ww2/photos/images/**** in that directory by using wget http://www.archives.gov/research/ww2/photos/images/*.jpg but it didn't work...
[23:03] <Slart> alexissoft: =) sorry.. I was just away googling to find some info on it... didn't mean to rub it in =)
[23:03] <matt___> proq:
[23:03] <remu> BoemLauw: I have the nvidia 8400m gs, and am running hardy rc amd64
[23:03] <alexissoft> sorry ...
[23:03] <alexissoft> and thanks !
[23:03] <billgoldberg> sure,  for dvd playblack, click this link http://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/media-and-ubuntu/
[23:03] <matt___> proq: any method will work...
[23:04] <alexissoft> yeah : it works far better now :D
[23:04]  * BoemLauw Well lucky you, thats my setup :-) You haved got the Dell D830 by any change huh ? :)
[23:04] <proq> matt___: wget globs by default
[23:04] <Illbiteyournose> its not a normal error, its weird, it reads the FBI warnings but then crashes when it gets to the menu
[23:04] <remu> BoemLauw: haha thats cool, no I have the hp dv2700
[23:04] <matt___> proq: meaning?
[23:04] <matt___> proq: and can i use wget if i make it not glob?
[23:04] <proq> matt___: meaning *.jpg should work
[23:04] <remu> BoemLauw: what kind of games can you run on linux with wine with your setup?
[23:05] <Speedy> try    sudo rm-rf /etc/X11    then hit ctrl alt backspace
[23:05] <matt___> proq: for me, it says wildcards not supported in http
[23:05] <Exlax> Slart: Says my card isn't supported yet, i have a 8800GTX.
[23:06]  * BoemLauw Good question. I only play games on my Vista box (BF2142/Crysis) but on on linux ... dunno. Better go for the linux games while your add it.
[23:06] <BoemLauw> Doom 3 etc
[23:06] <matt___> proq: what happens if you try it?
[23:06] <Slart> Exlax: hmm.. I have a 8800GTX too.. and I've changed the fan-speed on mine.. what version of the nvidia driver do you use?
[23:06] <remu> BoemLauw: i dual boot vista for games
[23:06] <yowshi> Slart: FILE "Final Fantasy 7 [CD1][NTSC-U].img" BINARY is what the cue file has
[23:06] <mneptok> matt___: wget -r -l1 --no-parent -A.jpg http://www.server.com/dir/
[23:06]  * BoemLauw remu wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/173.08/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.08-pkg2.run
[23:06] <remu> BoemLauw: so you say the restricted drivers are not that good eh? wanna walk me through changing it?
[23:06] <remu> cool
[23:07] <BoemLauw> remu beat you in the process :)
[23:07] <matt___> mneptok: if this works, i love you
[23:07] <Exlax> Slart: how can i tell?
[23:07] <wildman> hello there, I'm on ubuntu 7.1 x86 and 'free' shows 3.2GB out of the 4GB installed, besides installing the -server kernels, or compiling one myself, is there any parameter I can pass to the default kernel for it to 'see' the full 4GB?
[23:07] <BoemLauw> remu chmod +x NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.08-pkg2.run
[23:07] <_20eric06_> Hello, I've just bought a new computer which has Ubuntu, and I want to double-boot XP with it, but I don't know how to use the GNU Parted
[23:07] <mneptok> remu: please use the packaged drivers
[23:07] <_20eric06_> Could anyone help me?
[23:07] <remu> BoemLauw: mind if we do this in a private window? I don't want to miss any steps
[23:07] <mneptok> remu: downloading drivers from nVidia is not the recommended way to do things
[23:07] <remu> mneptok: you mean the restricted drivers?
[23:07] <Slart> yowshi: it could be the spaces in that filename.. but I'm not sure... if I were you I'd try renaming the img file to something simple.. with just plain ascii characters.. and then try again
[23:07] <elliott> can anyone help me install hardy rc1 on my mac mini? It says it installs correctly, but when I go to restart it doesn't boot. when I re-enter the install CD and select "boot from first hard disk", i get a blinking cursor and the computer hangs. someone else told me to make sure I was using the cirrect architecture, and I am.
[23:08] <BoemLauw> Now here is a catch, i'm not sure how you go to init 3 in ubunto since init 3 doesn't seem to work but hey, if all fails grep a hammer
[23:08] <mneptok> remu: yes
[23:08] <matt___> mneptok: thank you...
[23:08] <mneptok> remu: do they not work in some way>
[23:08] <_20eric06_> Hello, anyone?
[23:08] <mneptok> matt___: np
[23:08] <BoemLauw> . /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[23:08] <BoemLauw> Then as root run ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.08-pkg2.run
[23:08] <BoemLauw> (from the console)
[23:08] <wildman> _20eric06_, the recommended way is to install Windows 1st, then to install Linux
[23:08] <Cheesypieces> hi guys, can you tell me how to make it so that alt-tab shows all processes on all workspaces, not just the current one?
[23:08] <jacob_> what's the name of the package that install kde desktop environment that allows me to select gnome and kde at the beginning of a session
[23:08] <_20eric06_> wildman: That's the problem, I don't have the Ubuntu CD
[23:08] <billgoldberg> eric, you don't need gparted, the ubuntu cd will allow you to resize your partition when you install it, you just need to enter how much space you want to give ubuntu. Grub will then let you pick xp or ubuntu on boot
[23:09] <Slart> Exlax: run nvidia-settings.. it's in there somewhere
[23:09] <Odd-rationale> jacob_: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[23:09] <_20eric06_> It came with the computer
[23:09] <Exlax> Slart: Nvidia settings says 100.14.19
[23:09] <BoemLauw> It says `can't find yadadayada` just ok it and let it compile you a driver
[23:09] <proq> _20eric06_: download it
[23:09] <jacob_> ok thank you
[23:09] <wildman> _20eric06_, though Windows XP "may" add a boot entry for existing Linux, or you may be able to add it afterwards
[23:09] <cab86> hello, I am having permission issues. I was successful @ installing the ATI drivers, I have dri in root but not in usr.
[23:09] <remu> mneptok: no, they work well, BoemLauw was just telling me that the restricted arent that great, so I thought I might try it out, so you reccommend otherwise?
[23:09] <wildman> _20eric06_, well, you can always download it from the net
[23:09] <_20eric06_> http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_linux_and_windows_xp_linux_installed_first.htm I'm following this
[23:09] <mneptok> remu: i do. in the strongest possible terms.
[23:09] <_20eric06_> wildman: I'd rather not download large files with my slow internet
[23:09] <_20eric06_> I just want to know how to use Parted
[23:10] <remu> mneptok: lol, alright, thanks
[23:10] <eax> Hello :) Can anyone tell me how to browse an Audio CD, I'm using feisty and it will only allow me to rip the cd :S
[23:10] <seamus7> Cheesypieces: you likely just need to go into Advanced Desktop Effects and find the plugin which Alt-Tab initiates .. .then change the plugin's settings to show all workspaces when initiated ... something like that
[23:10] <Slart> Exlax: hmm.. I have 169.12, but I use the driver from nvidias site.. I think that's newer
[23:10] <wildman> _20eric06_, I'm not a parted expert, but doesn't it have an intuitive GUI?
[23:10] <jhoc2x_> is pelo around?
[23:10] <seamus7> !compiz
[23:10] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[23:10] <Cheesypieces> seamus7: ok i'll give it a try. thanks
[23:10] <Exlax> Slart: I don't know how to install the one from nvidias site.
[23:10] <jhoc2x_> i think not.. ^_^
[23:10] <billgoldberg> it's pretty easy to use gparted. Pop-in the live cd and rezise the windows partition, then format the free space to ext3.
[23:10] <mneptok> Cheesypieces: do you use Compiz?
[23:10]  * BoemLauw remu join the #ubuntu-chillout-channel
[23:10] <remu> BoemLauw: mneptok talked me out of it, that and the continuous up scrolling of the messages, lol, I'm still new to ubuntu and not a 100% comfortable playing under the hood
[23:10] <Slart> Exlax: then just wait until the day after tomorrow.. then you can update to hardy.. I think it has a newer version of the nvidia driver
[23:11] <_20eric06_> wildman: No, it's on the terminal
[23:11] <wildman> billgoldberg, he doesn't have a live CD :P Ubuntu is already installed on his system
[23:11] <billgoldberg> oh, missed that
[23:11] <Exlax> Slart: Okay, thanks.
[23:11] <jhoc2x_> remu: are you from philippines?
[23:11] <Slart> Exlax: you're welcome
[23:11] <BoemLauw> remu you are going to regret it... but hey your call. (Remeber it's just a driver, don't like it ? go back to ubuntu's)
[23:11] <_20eric06_> There must be a GUI, but I don't know how to access it
[23:11] <billgoldberg> so he wants to add xp after he added ubuntu
[23:11] <billgoldberg> ?
[23:12] <zvacet>      _20eric06_ :               http://gparted.sourceforge.net/documentation.php
[23:12] <marko-_-> _20eric06_, install gparted from apt-get and then start it with the command "gparted"
[23:12] <wildman> zvacet, thx :)
[23:12] <billgoldberg> I don't think it's possible to resize the harddrive if you are using it. So you will need that live cd.
[23:12] <_20eric06_> marko-_-: Ubuntu does not recognize my internet
[23:12] <proq> billgoldberg: on the things-to-try ubuntu list, that one ranks as easy  :)
[23:12] <marko-_-> right
[23:12] <wildman> billgoldberg, indeed, resizing active (mounted) partitions my not be posible
[23:12] <billgoldberg> proq, i'm not sure about that
[23:13] <wildman> _20eric06_, type 'help' inside parted and read :)
[23:13] <_20eric06_> Ubuntu has Parted, but not Gparted
[23:13] <_20eric06_> wildman: I did
[23:13] <cab86> anyone who can tell me how to fix a permission issue with my ati drivers?
[23:13] <zvacet> wildman : np
[23:13] <jhoc2x_> Ubuntu is way far more suprising than of windows.. i can tell you that.. ^_^  even if im new to this, i can see it clearly..
[23:13] <reggae> what size is the minimum ubuntu livecd?
[23:13] <proq> billgoldberg: anything which has a short howto online ranks as easy
[23:13] <_20eric06_> But I'm afraid I didn't completly understand everything
[23:13] <wildman> _20eric06_, looks like you can use the 'print' command, to list existing partitions, then the 'resize' command to resize 'em
[23:13] <Ravenkin> Anyone know how to minimize evolution to the notification area?
[23:13] <elliott> can anyone help me install hardy rc1 on my mac mini? It says it installs correctly, but when I go to restart it doesn't boot. when I re-enter the install CD and select "boot from first hard disk", i get a blinking cursor and the computer hangs. someone else told me to make sure I was using the cirrect architecture, and I am.
[23:13] <Odd-rationale> reggae: <10mb
[23:13] <reggae> o.o
[23:13] <_20eric06_> wildman: It says it can't access /dev/scd0
[23:13] <wildman> _20eric06_, as billgoldberg points it may be impossible for you to resize a mounted partition (and believe me, your Ubuntu partition is mounted)
[23:14] <Odd-rationale> reggae: it is text mode
[23:14] <billgoldberg> wildman, thats what I tought
[23:14] <wildman> _20eric06_, that's the usual name for CD/DVD drives, not hard disks
[23:14] <reggae> Odd-rationale, i can imagine that
[23:14] <_20eric06_> wildman: I just typed print, I don't know what to do then
[23:14] <gtT> hey all, sziasztok! not ubuntu related, but maybe sbdy can help. How do you translate "interpersonal skills" to Hungarian??
[23:14] <proq> _20eric06_: the first step is for you to burn an ubuntu desktop cd so you can repartition
[23:14] <wildman> _20eric06_, read 'resize' command help
[23:14] <zvacet> _20eric06_ : it is just live CD of same program that you have in Ubuntu maybe even with more options.You need lice CD ( Ubuntu or Gparted)
[23:14] <Odd-rationale> reggae: I wouldn't reccomend it unless you have decent internet connection...
[23:14] <wildman> _20eric06_, it looks like you are in a catch-22 situation...
[23:14] <yowshi> how do i make craserop disc NOT eject the cdrom?
[23:15] <jhoc2x_> lol.. im happy someone guided me on how to play WoW using wine.. now my life is back.. ^_^
[23:15] <proq> _20eric06_: I take that back, the very first step is to back up your files
[23:15] <yowshi> because it is being very annoying in doing it every time it fails
[23:15] <_20eric06_> Is there how to make a install CD/DVD from my current Ubuntu install and then reinstall it?
[23:15] <_20eric06_> I have no files on this computer yet
[23:15] <_20eric06_> Apart from Ubuntu
[23:15] <cab86> :P download a new install :P... j/k
[23:15] <_20eric06_> It's brand new, came with Ubuntu, and I have no CD for it
[23:15] <wildman> zvacet, you can get http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page which is small (around 100MB) and has ALL tools you need
[23:15] <wildman> oups!
[23:15] <billgoldberg> While I'm here, does anyone has any experience with the ati drivers and hardy? On gutsy they didn't play 3d games at all. (ati radeon xpress 1100 or 200)
[23:15] <yowshi> !brasero
[23:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brasero - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:16] <wildman> zvacet, sorry, I'll kill my TAB key
[23:16] <zeld> hi to all.. anyone use bmpx?
[23:16] <wildman> _20eric06_, you can get http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page which is small (around 100MB) and has ALL tools you need
[23:16] <proq> _20eric06_: such things exist, yes. but that is not as easy as backing up, burning an ubuntu cd
[23:16] <zeld> i've a little problem with the output server..
[23:16] <zeld> if i set pulseaudio and restart bmpx it take only jack!
[23:16] <zeld> and jackd is DEATH!
[23:16] <wildman> _20eric06_, either that, or you ask a friend with broadband connection to download the 700MB Ubuntu 7.1 CD
[23:16] <zvacet> wildman : tnx for link
[23:16] <Odd-rationale> !info brasero | yowshi
[23:16] <ubotu> yowshi: brasero (source: brasero): CD/DVD burning application for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.1-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1049 kB, installed size 3236 kB
[23:17] <mEck0> Hi! does anyone know if laptop battery time should be increased in hardy stable release? and if suspend and hibernate will work? with gnome, I got about 3h 20min of battery time, in constrast to windows vista where I got about 5h 25min... What is it that eats so much battery in gnu/linux? since the system should be more efficient than windows
[23:17] <wildman> zvacet, it was meant for _20eric06_, but anyway... ;)
[23:17] <yggwork> http://www.marcelgagne.com/node/561
[23:17] <zeld> i' wont to use pulseaudio... anyone can help me?
[23:17] <_20eric06_> proq: Is there how to burn the entire Ubuntu system (2gb apparently) on a DVD, format, instal XP, repartition and then install Ubuntu?
[23:17] <jhoc2x_> is there a new ubuntu version coming?
[23:17] <thiebaude> yup 8.04
[23:17] <cab86> jhoc, yes 3 days
[23:17] <yowshi> Odd-rationale: that doesnt tell me anything like how to change it's settings so it doesnt eject the cdrom tray
[23:17] <Odd-rationale> jhoc2x_: yes. on the 24th
[23:17] <kleinet> mn jn
[23:17] <thiebaude> im usingit now
[23:17] <Zelta> !hardy | jhoc2x
[23:17] <ubotu> jhoc2x: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[23:17] <ikonia> _20eric06_: not really very straight forward
[23:17] <proq> _20eric06_: yes, but those are separate howtos. again, I wouldn't try making a DVD from your system. it's harder
[23:17] <kleinet> ?
[23:17] <Odd-rationale> yowshi: oh that? i dunno.
[23:17] <_20eric06_> wildman: I do have broadband, 200k cable
[23:17] <thiebaude> bye bye micro....
[23:18] <ng0n> y does do my network file transfers fail unless i have an active session running to the internet ?
[23:18] <wildman> _20eric06_, as you can see from what the rest is typing, there's a new Ubuntu coming in 2 days
[23:18] <kleinet> what is this fucking chat
[23:18] <_20eric06_> I just hate downloading large files
[23:18] <jhoc2x_> nice.. .. im looking forward to try
[23:18] <kleinet> helppppppppppppp
[23:18] <zvacet> wildman : I knmow but tnx anyway
[23:18] <wildman> _20eric06_, and what's the problem with your broadband connection then?
[23:18] <Pici> !language | kleinet
[23:18] <ubotu> kleinet: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:18] <jhoc2x_> did kleinet just use the "F" word?
[23:18] <_20eric06_> wildman: It takes too long for 700mb files
[23:18] <proq> jhoc2x_: he did
[23:18] <amenado> ng0n-> how is it going to happen if you were not active?
[23:18] <kleinet> welllllllllllllllllllll
[23:18] <wildman> kleinet, whatch your language please
[23:18] <billgoldberg> eric, the whole ubuntu os is only 700mb. Put in the xp cd, let it use the whole hard drive. Then put it the ubuntu cd, use the guided size (something like that) to install ubuntu.  Anyone have an FTP client recommendation using GTK?
[23:19] <_20eric06_> Well, I might download Ubuntu later then, but I'd havee no use for it.
[23:19] <wildman> _20eric06_, get the 100MB sysrescd
[23:19] <Pici> kleinet: This is the official Ubuntu Support Channel
[23:19] <zeld> guy o gay?
[23:19] <zeld> :D
[23:19] <thiebaude> hi klein
[23:19] <_20eric06_> I'll just install Windows then, thanks anyways
[23:19] <kleinet> ok sory
[23:19] <zeld> ikonia, ok
[23:19] <_20eric06_> I just thought I could save this current install
[23:19] <yowshi> Slart: grrr even when i tell it nto burn the .img file itself it wont do it. says it cant get the file size and stuff cause it cant find it
[23:19] <_20eric06_> That'd be the only reason for me to have Ubuntu
[23:19] <proq> kleinet: that didn't look like hebrew  ;)
[23:19] <billgoldberg> you can, try the official forums, might get better support there
[23:19] <Tyler> Anyone here an expert with Unison
[23:19] <jhoc2x_> _20eric06_: i can tell you ubuntu if far greater than windows dude!
[23:19] <yowshi> Slart: FinalFantasy7CD1.img is the img file name
[23:19] <wildman> _20eric06_, if you don't have any LiveCD available it's not possible to do what you need
[23:19] <kleinet> where  can i fing girls here?
[23:20] <ng0n> try a 60 gig transfer sometime
[23:20] <wildman> kleinet, wrong channel, this is not a dating channel ;)
[23:20] <thiebaude> ubuntu is superior
[23:20] <ant__> elo
[23:20] <J-Unit> is it possible for firefox to add a website (http://www.leconjugueur.com/php/newconjugue.php?v=promouvoir)
[23:20] <jhoc2x_> _20eric06_: why not request for a copy at ubuntu's??? i got 4 cd's from them..
[23:20] <kleinet> don't u like israel here?
[23:20] <_20eric06_> jhoc2x: But it doesn't have as much games as Windows :P
[23:20] <kleinet> i will go away
[23:20] <wildman> kleinet, I do, that's not the pb
[23:20] <proq> kleinet: sure I do
[23:20] <jhoc2x_> _20eric06_: it does actually
[23:20] <_20eric06_> And I am a big games
[23:20] <_20eric06_> gamer*
[23:20] <ant__> do you know how to install global menu ?
[23:20] <ikonia> wildman: please don't feed him
[23:20] <Odd-rationale> !offtopic | kleinet
[23:20] <ubotu> kleinet: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[23:20] <clem85> hello
[23:21] <wildman> ikonia, OK boss ;)
[23:21] <zvacet> _20eric06_ : why don´t you dual boot?
[23:21] <jhoc2x_> _20eric06_: and can run windows games, applications as well..
[23:21] <_20eric06_> And Ubuntu wasn't recognizing my internet connection
[23:21] <wildman> zvacet, he wants, but he cannot ;)
[23:21] <_20eric06_> zvacet: I was trying that since I entered this channel
[23:21] <pidus> where do i ask about a query regarding svn?
[23:21] <wildman> zvacet, don't add to his frustration ;)
[23:21] <clem85> anyone have already do a RIS server with linux to deploy windows systems ?
[23:21] <proq> _20eric06_: windows doesn't have as many games as playstation. maybe that's what you need
[23:21] <jhoc2x_> _20eric06_: some of them might not work though.. wine is still not that perfect..
[23:22] <elliott> can anyone help me install hardy rc1 on my mac mini? It says it installs correctly, but when I go to restart it doesn't boot. when I re-enter the install CD and select "boot from first hard disk", i get a blinking cursor and the computer hangs. someone else told me to make sure I was using the cirrect architecture, and I am.
[23:22] <wildman> pidus, u can try here, you may be lucky
[23:22] <jhoc2x_> lol.. ps2
[23:22] <yowshi> and while i am on it anyone know where i can get everything i need to run pcsx?
[23:22] <thiebaude> im glad i dont dual boot into ,   well that other os from redmond, haha
[23:22] <zvacet> _20eric06_ :sorry,sorry,sorry
[23:22] <ikonia> !hardy > elliott
[23:22] <ikonia> elliott: see the pm from ubotu
[23:22] <billgoldberg> can't help, never touched a mac in my life
[23:22] <proq> _20eric06_: on top of that, you can still run ubuntu on playstation
[23:22] <jhoc2x_> _20eric06_: just this early, i played world of warcraft..
[23:22] <pidus> i want to revert back to an older checkout of a svn repository. How do i do that?
[23:22] <wildman> hello there, I'm on ubuntu 7.1 x86 and 'free' shows 3.2GB out of the 4GB installed, besides installing the -server kernels, or compiling one myself, is there any parameter I can pass to the default kernel for it to 'see' the full 4GB?
[23:22] <billgoldberg> I run ubuntu on my ps3 , haha, talk about the best of 2 worlds
[23:22] <ikonia> pidus: join #subversion
[23:22] <andre_pl> i've seen posts on using setterm to disable console-blanking, but how can I make this change permanent?
[23:22] <jhoc2x_> proq: are you serious? run ubuntu on playstation?
[23:22] <Pici> pidus: You can try asking here or in #svn
[23:22]  * wildman just rethrew his original Q
[23:23] <cab86> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!
[23:23] <proq> jhoc2x_: yes, people run ubuntu on playstation
[23:23] <andre_pl> jhoc2x_: I am running it on ps3 right now
[23:23] <_20eric06_> ...I have an E: partition?!
[23:23] <ikonia> cab86: please don't do that
[23:23] <pidus> thanks ikonia
[23:23] <ikonia> cab86: please just as a question clearly
[23:23] <pidus> and pici
[23:23] <_20eric06_> This computer is brand new, I wonder what could be in this partition
[23:23] <jhoc2x_> wow..
[23:23] <cab86> well, i've been asking questions for a while and notthing has happened ikonia
[23:23] <ikonia> cab86: then wait patiently, your approach is the best way to be ignored
[23:23] <RoAkSoAx> _20eric06_, is it a Raw partition?
[23:23] <jhoc2x_> using the live CD on playstation??? hmmm.. i got here ps2 ... will it run?
[23:23] <ikonia> cab86: please ask your question clearly
[23:23] <cab86> i was ignored to start with...
[23:24] <_20eric06_> RoAkSoAx: I don't know
[23:24] <billgoldberg> jhoc, no only on a ps3
[23:24] <_20eric06_> Both are unknown
[23:24] <jhoc2x_> awwwwwww.. sad then.. ^_^
[23:24] <_20eric06_> I'm on Windows XP's installation
[23:24] <RoAkSoAx> _20eric06_, does it have a size or something like that?
[23:24] <wildman> cab86, you have at least 2 person's attention now
[23:24] <thiebaude> not by intention cab86
[23:24] <andre_pl> jhoc2x_: ps2 needs a special distro I think, and an external HDD
[23:24] <wildman> cab86, use it wisely :)
[23:24] <_20eric06_> One is 232566 mb (232565 mb free)
[23:24] <ikonia> !offtopic | andre_pl
[23:24] <ubotu> andre_pl: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[23:24] <proq> jhoc2x_: http://playstation2-linux.com/
[23:24] <cab86> I have dri in root mode but not in usr... it keeps reporting that the driver could not be loaded due to permission denied... how can I change those permission to have it work properly
[23:24] <cab86> ?
[23:24] <wildman> _20eric06_, E: may be the way Windows recognizes Ubuntu's partitions
[23:24] <_20eric06_> Another is 5907 mb (5906 mb free)
[23:25] <ikonia> cab86: what is reporting that error ?
[23:25] <_20eric06_> Hm, could this mean it's ready to dualboot?
[23:25] <proq> _20eric06_: that's not much space
[23:25] <cab86> one sec..
[23:25] <_20eric06_> proq: It's not.
[23:25] <wildman> _20eric06_, usually Linux has 2 partitions, one for root filesystem (/), the other for swap (virtual memory)
[23:25] <proq> _20eric06_: is that a rescue partition?
[23:26] <_20eric06_> I don't know
[23:26] <cab86>  LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo, fglrxinfo, fgl_glxgears ...
[23:26] <_20eric06_> This computer is brand new, I don't know what it could be
[23:26] <billgoldberg> if it's a new pc, that 5gb will the the recovery partition
[23:26] <ikonia> cab86: where did you get the driver ?
[23:26] <_20eric06_> oh
[23:26] <wildman> err... 5907MB = 5GB and 232000+MB = 232+GB... that's a lot of space to me... unless I made a mistake in my calculus
[23:26] <cab86> all those work under root but don't work  properly under usr...   it's the ATI driver, i think it's the repos one....
[23:27] <_20eric06_> wildman: Yeah, 250gb hd
[23:27] <ikonia> cab86: how can they work under root ?
[23:27] <setner> good evening
[23:27] <ikonia> cab86: what are you doing to launch an Xserver as root ?
[23:27] <_20eric06_> So I delete C partition and make a new one there for windows?
[23:27] <_20eric06_> Or do I let 10gb for a possible future linux install?
[23:27] <wildman> _20eric06_, if on the Ubuntu system, I bet the big one (200GB+) is the root partition (where everything is installed) and the other is swap (though almost 6GB for swap is a lot)
[23:27] <jhoc2x__> waaaaaaaaa... i am disconnected again.. jezz...
[23:28] <_20eric06_> Maybe the 5gb one is Linux?
[23:28] <Lowkey421> how do I force close a program?
[23:28] <wildman> _20eric06_, nope, 200GB+ is
[23:28] <cab86> I originaly installed the ati ones manualy, didn't work, the commands would segfault, so I used envy, same result, I reinstalled the ATI ones differently, still didn't work... then i allowed the ones from the repos, then the commands worked
[23:28] <proq> _20eric06_: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda  will tell you if it's swap
[23:28] <wildman> _20eric06_, bah, both are :)
[23:28] <_20eric06_> Hm,
[23:28] <billgoldberg> pkill or killall followed by the name
[23:28] <Pici> cab86: what commands?
[23:28] <_20eric06_> proq: I'm not on linux
[23:28] <_20eric06_> I'm on Windows XP's install
[23:28] <Lowkey421> billgoldberg: In terminal?
[23:28] <cab86> fglrxinfo, glxinfo, fgl_glxgears
[23:28] <billgoldberg> yes
[23:28] <ikonia> cab86: in that case I don't want to support you, as you've messed up your driver system and I chose to not take the time unpicking it. The ubuntu repo's provide supported drivers for a good reason
[23:29] <billgoldberg> but there is an panel applet that's easier to use
[23:29] <Lowkey421> billgoldberg: what if the program is package installer
[23:29] <cab86> ikonia, i haven't finished though
[23:29] <Lowkey421> pkill package-installer ?
[23:29] <bad_cables> ubustu rules!
[23:29] <jhoc2x__> anyone downloading mp3's???? what's the top downloader?? pls give link
[23:29] <wildman> _20eric06_, C: is Windows way of saying 1st partition, while E: is well... Windows way of saying 2nd partition (it actually would be D: but I guess D: is your CD/DVD drive)
[23:29] <ikonia> cab86: I don't want to take it any futher, your system is in a mess
[23:29] <ikonia> bad_cables: we don't need to see that. This is a busy support channel
[23:29] <billgoldberg> maybe, use the panel applet, that way you just click the program and it force quits
[23:29] <cab86> when I run my openGL programs using sudo, it works...  when I try to run it as user it doesnt
[23:29] <agibby5> i copied my /home to /media/sdb1/home but can't mount /dev/sdb1/home... its saying 'mount: special device /dev/sdb1/home does not exist'. ideas?
[23:29] <Pici> jhoc2x__: Piracy is *not* supported here.
[23:29] <_20eric06_> proq: Should I delete the 233gb partition, make a new 213 one for windows, leaving 20gb for Linux?
[23:29] <pidus> nobody speaks ar #svn :(
[23:29] <Lowkey421> what panel applet/
[23:29] <Lowkey421> :(
[23:30] <wildman> _20eric06_, if you don't want/cannot get those LiveCD CDs (Ubuntu's 700MB or system rescue CD's 100MB), then why not kill all partitions...
[23:30] <jhoc2x__> sorry.. ^_^
[23:30] <ikonia> pidus: they do, I've had great info, keep with it
[23:30] <Zelta> _20eric06_: How you allocate space to your operating systems is your own choice
[23:30] <jhoc2x__> Pici: sorry.. ^_^ i just want my fav songs..^_6
[23:30] <wildman> _20eric06_, then install Windows XP, and then download Ubuntu 8.04 and install it resizing and all when it's available?
[23:30] <proq> _20eric06_: you also need a swap partition, and possibly anything else you want on a partition
[23:30] <_20eric06_> wildman: But what is in E:?
[23:30] <Jobias> i've read that installing .deb files directly using dpkg isn't good practice, especially once you start accumulating lots of apps, and that it's better to use apt to manage your apps. the problem is that the app i'm looking it doesn't exist in any repository i know of. should i set up my own repository to handle apps i'm interested in? or is there another way to get apt-get to work with individual .deb files?
[23:30] <cab86> ikonia, even by totaly removing them... when I reinstall new ones it still gives me the same result
[23:30] <wildman> _20eric06_, you'll loose all your current data, of course
[23:30] <billgoldberg> on the top gnome panel, right click and press 'add to panel' select force quit
[23:30] <wildman> _20eric06_, Ubuntu's SWAP space
[23:30] <billgoldberg> it's easiers and faster
[23:30] <Lowkey421> ok thanks :D
[23:30] <_20eric06_> So is it safe to delete it?
[23:30] <Pici> Jobias: What program are you looking for?
[23:30] <wildman> _20eric06_, swap = virtual memory
[23:30] <_20eric06_> I know what swap it
[23:30] <_20eric06_> is*
[23:31] <billgoldberg> no prob :p
[23:31] <jhoc2x__> or you can use 2 hard drives.. one is Ubuntu, the other is WinXP
[23:31] <ikonia> cab86: I've said twice now, I'm not interested in progressing support further with you due to the state your system is in, it is totally unknown
[23:31] <pidus> ikonia: hope they do, sometime soon.
[23:31] <_20eric06_> jhoc2x_: I don't have 2 hds...
[23:31] <ikonia> pidus: I assure you they do
[23:31] <jhoc2x__> i see..
[23:31] <asizemore> hey, I would like to know how to mount this harddrive I just got as a storage drive on my server
[23:31] <Jobias> Pici: guake, a terminal emulator that replicates a quake-like terminal
[23:31] <cab86> wow, this is pointless...  there was no support at all
[23:32] <_20eric06_> wildman: So I'll delete both partitions, make a new one for windows taking up the whole HD, if I ever get Ubuntu then I can simply resize the partition, freeing up 20 gb for linux?
[23:32] <zeld> good night guys :)
[23:32] <ikonia> cab86: no, you have "done your own thing" and put your system in an unknown state.
[23:32] <billgoldberg> eric: yes
[23:32] <wildman> _20eric06_, yes
[23:32] <_20eric06_> Sounds fair.
[23:32] <Lowkey421> billgoldberg: PM
[23:32] <_20eric06_> Farewell, Ubuntu
[23:32] <wildman> _20eric06_, BEWARE, you'll loose ALL data on that disk!!! :)
[23:32] <jhoc2x__> well, it work for me, first i install windows making 2 partitions.. then, ubuntu installation at 2nd partition.. it work fine..
[23:32] <wildman> _20eric06_, I'd rather say: till next week Ubuntu :)
[23:32] <jhoc2x__> lol
[23:32] <Pici> Jobias: Theres both kakuake and tilde in the Ubuntu repos, anyway, setting up a repo just to install a few debs is not good practice either.
[23:33] <_20eric06_> wildman: I know
[23:33] <wildman> _20eric06_, good luck
[23:33] <Jobias> Pici: hmm, alright. are either of those GTK?
[23:33] <asizemore> my father's external drive died, so I removed it and put it in an enclosure. I would like to use this drive as a storage drive accessable from FTP. I've already got the server set up for SSH and ftp, but if I add this drive in (as ATA IDE), how can I mount the new drive and use it?
[23:33] <_20eric06_> I don't have anything on the disk apart from ubuntu itself
[23:33] <wildman> _20eric06_, and sorry if that's the only workable solution with your current constraints
[23:33] <_20eric06_> I understand partitions :)
[23:33] <ikonia> asizemore: how can you use a drive if it's dead
[23:33] <_20eric06_> wildman: It's fine
[23:33] <Pici> Jobias: tilde is designed for gnome, I assume it uses gtk
[23:33] <_20eric06_> I just don't like download big files
[23:33] <Jobias> Pici: alrighty, thanks
[23:33] <asizemore> ikonia: the enclosure was dead
[23:33] <asizemore> ikonia: not the drive
[23:33] <LadyNikon> anyone know of a gdesklet channel?
[23:34] <ikonia> asizemore: ok, partition it, format it with a file system and mount it as any other scsi disk
[23:34] <Lowkey421> billgoldberg?
[23:34] <SkinnYPupp> alt+c shows all channels available
[23:34] <Pici> SkinnYPupp: hm?
[23:34] <billgoldberg> yes
[23:34] <LadyNikon> SkinnYPupp: that depends on the client
[23:34] <proq> LadyNikon: type /list and search for one
[23:35] <LadyNikon> proq: i woudlnt do a /list on this network :p
[23:35] <LadyNikon> proq: just wondering if someone knew of one off hand
[23:35] <proq> LadyNikon: why? I do
[23:35] <asizemore> ikonia: I can't format it, that's the problem
[23:35] <Pici> LadyNikon: you can /msg chanserv list *search*pattern*
[23:35] <asizemore> it's a fat32 drive
[23:35] <ikonia> asizemore: what are you doing to put a file system on it ?
[23:35] <LadyNikon> Pici: pattern?
[23:35] <ikonia> asizemore: so ? put a file system on it
[23:35] <Lowkey421> I sent you a PM
[23:35] <linkmaster03> Why is Tilda showing these Gdk and Gtk errors? (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64043/) The first error is only on startup, the last two errors come up any time that I try to retract/pull out the Tilda terminal.
[23:35] <asizemore> it has a file system on it and 300GB of files
[23:35] <billgoldberg> how do I read it, first time using irc?
[23:35] <ikonia> asizemore: ok, so just mount it as vfat
[23:36] <Lowkey421> Oh, join #lowkey
[23:36] <asizemore> ikonia: that's what I'm asking how to do
[23:36] <ikonia> asizemore: mount -t vfat /dev/drive /mount_point
[23:36] <Pici> LadyNikon: Just a string with wildcards
[23:36] <asizemore> thank you
[23:36] <Lowkey421> in pidgin: crtl+c
[23:36] <asizemore> ikonia: much appreciated
[23:36] <ikonia> asizemore: your welcome
[23:36] <LadyNikon> Pici: heh found desklet irc program :S
[23:36] <_20eric06_> Holy crap, formatting is slow.
[23:37] <pinksoviet> Hey Speedy, your suggestion unfortunately did not work.
[23:37] <jhoc2x__> by the way, guys, is this okey?  i am currently copying a game (WoW) on my other disk, and put it at wine directory.. is this fine?
[23:37] <LadyNikon> anyways.. gdesklets keeps freezing on me.  Wanted to get some help with that
[23:37] <ilpark5> ㅗㅑ
[23:37] <ilpark5> hi
[23:37] <pinksoviet> But thank you for helping me.
[23:38] <jhoc2x__> anyone?
[23:39] <proq> jhoc2x__: you would put it where it normally goes on windows
[23:39] <proq> jhoc2x__: like Program Files, etc.
[23:39] <linkmaster03> Why is Tilda showing these Gdk and Gtk errors? (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64043/) The first error is only on startup, the last two errors come up any time that I try to retract/pull out the Tilda terminal.
[23:39] <proq> jhoc2x__: there should be a howto on WoW with wine
[23:41] <Zemus> What's with gparted not booting into gnome on more than half the computers I've ever tried it on?
[23:41] <proq> Zemus: gparted isn't a bootloader
[23:42] <Zemus> proq, so?
[23:42] <proq> Zemus: so I don't get what you mean
[23:42] <Zemus> proq, gparted is supposed to boot into gnome. Half the time, x fails to initialize.
[23:42] <crdlb> Zemus: you're confused
[23:42] <atlef> Zemus: gparted livecd?
[23:43] <Zemus> Yes, the gparted livecd.
[23:43] <Zemus> When I've used it, and it has worked, it boots into a live graphical desktop environment. Gnome.
[23:43] <crdlb> doesn't the gparted livecd use fluxbox?
[23:43] <proq> Zemus: it failed to detect the video card or monitor then
[23:43] <Zemus> Perhaps it is fluxbox, I just assumed it to be gnome, heh.
[23:43] <Odd-rationale> I remember that the gparted livecd used fluxbox...
[23:43] <Zemus> But yeah, it fails to detect the video card or monitor more than half the time.
[23:43] <Zemus> Like, I've used it on five or six computers at this point, and it's failed on most of them.
[23:44] <up_the_irons> hey guys, question about the "runit" package on 7.10.  No /etc/inittab exists on my system, so the install fails b/c runit wants to add an entry to /etc/inittab.  Suggestions?
[23:44] <Zemus> ahhh, and I just used it on another machine
[23:44] <benanzo> what is the difference between "cat FILE | grep string" and "grep string FILE" ??
[23:44] <Zemus> "X.org: You need a graphical environment to run GParted. The graphical environment configuration should have been done automatically, Unfortunately it did not since you are back at the bash! So please run Forcevideo Script, and you will be asked for Video Driver and Reslution. VESA driver should always work, and so should 1024x768"
[23:44] <proq> Zemus: you don't really *need* gparted though. fdisk works better
[23:44] <Zemus> It gives that almost every time. Awesome.
[23:44] <crdlb> benanzo: nothing
[23:44] <atlef> Zemus: try PartedMagic LiveCD http://partedmagic.com/wiki/PartedMagic.php
[23:44] <crdlb> benanzo: except the first one unncessarily uses cat ;)
[23:44] <up_the_irons> benanzo: nothing
[23:44] <Zemus> proq, no, but a lot of the time we need to give it to someone who doesn't know what they're doing and will inevitably make mistakes in a CLI environment.
[23:44] <atlef> Zemus: or change the options in the bootmenu
[23:45] <benanzo> crdlb: but does grep load the whole file into memory like cat does?  or just one line at a time?
[23:45] <up_the_irons> benanzo: except purists will heckle you for using "cat file | ..."
[23:45] <proq> Zemus: it helps to use popular or known-supported hardware in that situation
[23:45] <crdlb> benanzo: it's read line-by-line either way
[23:45] <linkmaster03> Why is Tilda showing these Gdk and Gtk errors? (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64043/) The first error is only on startup, the last two errors come up any time that I try to retract/pull out the Tilda terminal.
[23:45] <Zemus> proq, yeah. I have nothing but. :P
[23:46] <benanzo> Yes but in either case is the whole file in memory?
[23:46] <Zemus> I'm not using weird graphics cards or anything. These are very common Nvidia cards, usually.
[23:46] <benanzo> or just one line at a time -- not whether it reads it a line at a time, I know that
[23:46] <WildChild7> howdy.. I can run my x only as sudox. But this is not safe.. How can I run my gnome without super user prvilegies ?
[23:47] <NaNO2x> high-freq, i was wondering if there was a good way to merge a split avi file, i've tried catting and the end keep being cut off, i'm unsure if it is because i'm catting to many files or the last file is missing, it's 20 files all about 100mb
[23:47] <benanzo> but with a 500+ MB log file using "cat | grep string" can save disk IO at the expense of avail memory?
[23:47] <fxd> i'm looking for help with grip, can anyone help me?
[23:47] <Nith> NaNO2x: you need to unencode then reencode the files
[23:48] <Nith> NaNO2x: I'd suggest virtualdub but I dunno if it's available for linux
[23:48] <NaNO2x> well catting worked fine with like 8 files, it's just this last one that's not working
[23:48] <WildChild7> How can I run x as normal user and not as a super user ? where can that be set ?
[23:48] <crdlb> benanzo: avoiding the cat is definitely more efficient
[23:49] <Nith> WildChild7: I think you can do that from a tty, but not from within an x server
[23:50] <proq> WildChild7: X is normally launched by root
[23:51] <WildChild7> proq: if i run x by root... I can't use sudo anyomore
[23:52] <WildChild7> I start sudox and I can't evene update :)
[23:52] <sap> !clone
[23:52] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[23:52] <proq> WildChild7: your system is supposed to start X at boot
[23:52] <WildChild7> I mean sudo startx
[23:52] <Bidget> has anyone installed support for a logitech g15 keyboard that can help me do it?
[23:52] <WildChild7> proq: I don't wannt it..
[23:52] <proq> WildChild7: sudo startx&
[23:52] <proq> WildChild7: you have other ttys you know...
[23:53] <WildChild7> proq: I'm connected to the computer cia ssh...
[23:53] <WildChild7> cai=via
[23:53] <alanmatoso> #ubuntu
[23:54] <alanmatoso> #ubuntu-br
[23:54] <WildChild7> proq: if I write sudo startx& I am in the next line and if I write a pssword it's seen
[23:54] <demonspork>  Bidget, it was hard when I did it, I had to compile all the packages to run it from their source code, such as g15daemon, g15lcd, graphlcd and a few others to get the screen running. I never did get the mappings for the extra G keys working quite right and eventually gave up on them
[23:54] <fxd> I'm using Grip to rip and encode cds, but it doesn't encode them. any help?
[23:55] <Bidget> demonspork, yeah Ive tried doing that but I run into errors with dependencies when compiling all the packages and nobody seems to be able to help me hahaha. I don't even really care about the lcd screen or the g keys, I just want my media keys to work
[23:55] <alanmatoso> qual o canal do Ubuntu brasil?
[23:55] <Bidget> demonspork, I'm trying to get them to control xmms but I'm not sure what my computer recognizes the media keys as so I cant bind commands to them :(
[23:56] <alanmatoso> alguém pode me informar qual o canal do ubuntu br?
[23:56] <cyclonut> okay noob question: I need to transfer files to a remote server
[23:56] <atlef> !br
[23:56] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[23:57] <NaNO2x> so any idea on how to check this?
[23:57] <alanmatoso> thak
[23:57] <alanmatoso> #ubuntu-br
[23:57] <drobvice> is Quake Wars: Enemy Territory worth $5?  It's linux native and on clearance at Target.
[23:57] <linkmaster03> you are on irc in target? nice
[23:57] <Mark_G> drobvice: only if you like the game
[23:57] <Bidget> alanmatoso, you must type "/join #ubuntu-br"
[23:57] <demonspork> what is the command to monitor keystrokes that are in the window?
[23:58] <proq> drobvice: try the demo
[23:58] <basso> i think i sleep
[23:58] <Bidget> demonspork, I believe it's "xev" but when I pressed the media keys it would show up with a whoooolle bunch of weird information
[23:58] <drobvice> Hmm...demo, good idea!
[23:58] <proq> Bidget: that's because xev is for debugging x events
[23:58] <Bidget> ah I see
[23:58] <newbie> when I try to set my wireless card to monitor mode, I got this errors: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64045/. This happened after I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04. Anyone knows how to fix this problem?
[23:59] <Bidget> proq, is there another utility that might tell me what the key would be called?
[23:59] <Mark_G> newbie: Hardy support is currently in /join #ubuntu+1
[23:59] <basso> blæh i really need to find a gf..
[23:59] <Bidget> lol
[23:59] <newbie> Mark_G, I already post in there, but nobody answers