[08:26] <cristian_c> Hi
[08:26] <cristian_c> I've purchased a Rii mini i8 bluetooth keyboard
[08:27] <cristian_c> How can i enable the keyboard in lubuntu?
[08:27] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[08:27] <cristian_c> I've paired it
[11:16] <calmer-now> Hi!
[11:19] <calmer-now> i had a misunderstanding with the installer and "replacing windows 7".
[11:20] <TheSchaf> ?
[11:23] <calmer-now> ok, i'll tell thee story. i though, "uh, version 14, the installer is so advanced it will detect the win7-system partition and any deactived partitions or truecrypt containers and will simply install lubuntu into that system-partition and leave everything else untoched", because it says "this will delete blah, blah, blah and any files".
[11:23] <calmer-now> ok, everything in *nix is a file, i got it now.
[11:26] <calmer-now> i am not the brightest, you see, so is there any program to recover something not diving too deep in computer-forensics?
[11:48] <koell> some said lubuntu is dying =( https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2013-November/006187.html
[11:58] <comics_idees> is there a way to run portable apps for windows (.exe files) in lubuntu?
[14:05] <Victory> Hi can I please have some help with getting Ubuntu to install on my laptop
[14:05] <Victory> i'm having a strange error i've never had on any other system
[14:06] <Victory> anyone there?
[14:14] <CodeV> Hi I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu onto my system I'm getting the error /init: line 7: can't open/ dev/ sr0: no medium found when i try and run it in safe mode I really don't understand as I've never had this problem before on other machines.
[14:15] <CodeV> I'm  trying to boot off a USB using an iso.I've checked that the iso is not corrupt also
[16:21] <lubuntu-livecd> userscripts.org down for maintenance or something?
[16:21]  * wxl checks to see if this is #userscripts.org
[16:22] <lubuntu-livecd> :-D
[16:22] <lubuntu-livecd> tx 4 the suggestion
[18:19] <ki7mt> Hellp all, Im trying to help someone that has a P4VP-MX motherboard, not sure if it's a 478 socket, celeron or what, should ask i suppose, but which ISO would be best to start off testing with?
[18:33] <ianorlin> 32 bit it was before 64 bit
[18:34] <ianorlin> if you want more info on processor you could run cat /proc/cpuinfo
[18:37] <ki7mt> ianorlin, Ok, thank, yes Im sure it's not 64bit. was more worried about non pae-kernel support, I'll stat him off with the basic ISO, and go from there. Thanks.
[18:37] <ianorlin> it has pae as is pentium 4
[18:37] <ianorlin> not pentium m
[18:38] <ki7mt> Ok thanks.
[20:45] <ianorlin> hmm my kernel on a trusty system upgrading from raring to saucy to trusty seems to only want to boot the 3.11 kernel when truty uses 3.13 by default synaptic says I have a 3.13 kernel installed but it is not showing up in grub as a kernel to boot
[20:47] <Unit193> 1. Make sure linux-image-generic (or linux-generic) is installed.  2. Run  sudo update-grub  and check the output for the 3.13 kernel.  3. grep /boot/grub/grub.cfg for 3.13
[20:47] <Unit193> Do you have the grub menu hidden or have you changed /etc/default/grub to use the last selected device?
[20:48] <ianorlin> grub menu is not hidden
[20:49] <Unit193> (I personally like GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=y too.)
[21:39] <adam__> Having trouble with gnome-mplayer in lubuntu 14.04. NVIDIA Corporation G86M [GeForce 8400M GS] using nvidia 331.38 driver. Only changes to gnome-mplayer video output set to vdpau.
[21:39] <adam__> Switch to fullscreen and try to seek and video goes black.
[21:42] <adam__> Running mplayer -ao alsa -vo vdpau -vc ffmpeg12vdpau,ffh264vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,ffodivx, filename.mkv from CLI make mplayer work as expected. In fact it is much more responsive and seeking is instant
[21:43] <adam__> Why is gnome-mplayer having problems?
[21:48] <ianorlin> #lubuntu-offtopic
[22:41] <Hiro__> Hi, I'm trying to install Lubuntu on a laptop running Turion 64 x2 TL-50 (bought in 2008) Installation keeps stalling even though I've changed many settings around like noacpi, nomodeset.. I've tried both 32bit and 64bit, and tried ver12.04 and ver14.04 but not with much luck. Does anyone have an idea what else I can try? Has anyone succeeded in installing with on a similar laptop?


[16:35] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: you about?
[16:37] <pleia2> included you on the summary email I sent out this week, and inviting you to the doc
[16:39] <pleia2> the most most MOST important thing about sending out these emails is protecting the addresses of our volunteers, so you MUST use Bcc: when sending the email out
[16:39] <pleia2> and To: goes to the editor account
[17:12] <Pendulum> oh, I keep meaning to poke in here, but I will be around other than tomorrow and the 8th & 9th so am happy to help with UWN in the next 6 weeks or so :)
[17:12] <pleia2> thanks Pendulum :D
[17:12] <Pendulum> tomorrow, though, I have a ticket to watch the Red Sox game from the Green Monster :D
[17:13] <pleia2> woohoo
[17:28] <cprofitt> hey pleia2
[17:34] <pleia2> g'day cprofitt
[18:54] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: sure, don't worry
[18:55] <bkerensa> cprofitt: didnt music and movie suggestions land in unity in 12.04?
[19:02] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: let me know if there's anything else I should take note of


[15:01] <liushuyu> o/
[15:01] <ogayot> o/
[15:01] <slyon> \o
[15:01] <zhsj> o/
[15:01] <dviererbe> Hello o/
[15:01] <mateus-morais> o/
[15:03] <bdmurray> o/
[15:03]  * vorlon waves
[15:03] <enr0n> o/
[15:04] <mclemenceau> o/
[15:04] <vorlon> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:04] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:04:41 UTC.  The chair is vorlon.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[15:04] <vorlon> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:04] <vorlon> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-11-may-2023/35679/6
[15:05] <vorlon> giving everybody some time to read through and ask questions
[15:05] <vorlon> oops, wrong link
[15:05] <vorlon> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-11-may-2023/35679
[15:05] <vorlon> mateus-morais: I think your status went to the last discourse post, not this week's
[15:06] <xypron> o/
[15:06] <mateus-morais> Yep, fixed it already :)
[15:07] <vorlon> aha ok
[15:07] <bdmurray> "man in hat sits on chair" - lol
[15:08] <vorlon> haha
[15:10] <vorlon> everybody had enough time?
[15:10] <vorlon> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:10] <vorlon> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:10] <bdmurray> I made -mm- yesterday
[15:11] <vorlon> LP: #2012698
[15:11] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2012698 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Plymouth is stuck on a plain black screen" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012698
[15:11] <dviererbe> this? https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:12] <bdmurray> indeed
[15:12] <vorlon> bdmurray: thanks, should I drop -ll- from the script going forward?
[15:12] <bdmurray> Well we might need to do some SRUs there
[15:12] <vorlon> ok
[15:12] <slyon> looks like vanvugt is taking care of that plymouth bug
[15:12] <vorlon> yeah the above is a class of issue usually handled in the Desktop Team, nothing for us
[15:13] <vorlon> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:13] <vorlon> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:13] <vorlon> LP: #2016471
[15:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2016471 in eztrace (Ubuntu) "eztrace FTBFS with LTO" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2016471
[15:13] <slyon> I created that one..
[15:14] <slyon> I'd like the toolchain squad to have a look into it. libomp.so is broken when llvm-toolchain is built with LTO
[15:14] <vorlon> slyon: do you expect the fix to be on the eztrace side? that's the task you have in progress
[15:14] <vorlon> ah
[15:14] <slyon> the upstream maintainer of eztrace suggested there might be a workaround possible in the upstream project, but didn't get back to be about it yet
[15:14] <vorlon> that seems like an appropriate thing for us to take
[15:14] <vorlon> shall I target it?
[15:15] <vorlon> (doing)
[15:15] <slyon> so either reaching out to trahay about a eztrace fix or fixing llvm-toolchain are appropriate
[15:16] <vorlon> there may be other packages affected by libomp though
[15:16] <vorlon> (or other third-party projects)
[15:16] <vorlon> LP: #2018721
[15:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2018721 in netkit-telnet-ssl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] netkit-telnet-ssl vs. inetutils-telnet" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2018721
[15:16] <slyon> dviererbe: can you comment on that ^
[15:17] <dviererbe> Well I put the summary in the LP ticket
[15:20] <vorlon> my $.02 is that there aren't advantages that are worth the switching costs
[15:21] <vorlon> dviererbe: are you ok with us declining it on that basis?
[15:22] <dviererbe> yeah, works for me. I just wanted to have a discussion about investigating this.
[15:22] <vorlon> ok thanks
[15:24] <vorlon> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:24] <vorlon> LP: #1999345
[15:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1999345 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "please add luks2 module to the signed grub2 images" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1999345
[15:25] <vorlon> there've been discussions about this internally; I'm a strong -1 on us including this in the signed images
[15:25] <vorlon> because the GRUB LUKS implementation is always trailing the userspace
[15:26] <vorlon> and currently the gaps are that it doesn't support currently-recommended key derivation
[15:26] <vorlon> juliank isn't here to argue for it, but I would just decline this one
[15:26] <vorlon> (and let him reopen it if there are other arguments)
[15:27] <vorlon> any objections?
[15:27] <slyon> sounds good. we have been waiting for any action on that one for too long
[15:28] <juliank> My watch made brr with IRC notification! I'm +1
[15:28] <vorlon> hah
[15:28] <vorlon> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:29] <vorlon> LP: #2015355
[15:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2015355 in util-linux (Ubuntu) "Please backport patches for false atari partition detection to Ubuntu 20.04" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015355
[15:29] <vorlon> this was escalated internally to us
[15:29] <bdmurray> Do we need to keep looking at Focal given Jammy is the latest LTS?
[15:30] <vorlon> based on support team's input I would say yes it's worth fixing
[15:30] <vorlon> or do you mean looking at the report in general for FF?
[15:30] <bdmurray> The report in general but I guess if we didn't we wouldn't have known about this. ;-)
[15:30] <vorlon> right
[15:30] <enr0n> I am planning on working that one, bdmurray pinged me about it before the sprint
[15:31] <vorlon> I mean, we did have the internal discussion, but that's different than ensuring it's tracked
[15:31] <vorlon> so I'll go ahead and target this one
[15:32] <vorlon> ok that's it for bugs
[15:32] <vorlon> let's see if I can speed things up a bit from here :)
[15:32] <vorlon> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:33] <vorlon> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:33] <vorlon> dviererbe: would you mind looking at git? hopefully just needs a retry of linux-lowlatency/arm64 autopkgtest
[15:34] <dviererbe> I can do that
[15:34] <vorlon> argon2 vs cryptsetup: I've looked at this before, argon2 declares versioned breaks: on cryptsetup so this needs solved by a cryptsetup merge.  Any volunteers?
[15:34] <vorlon> bdrung did the last merge but he's not here today
[15:35] <vorlon> adrien: maybe you?
[15:35] <vorlon> if not, I could take it
[15:35] <vorlon> fakeroot: enr0n?
[15:35] <enr0n> vorlon: sure
[15:36] <vorlon> pygments: ogayot?
[15:36] <ogayot> vorlon: ack
[15:36] <adrien> vorlon: I can look at that
[15:36] <vorlon> and then that's it, because 7 was actually 5 because of the double counting of blocked/blocking
[15:36] <vorlon> adrien: thanks
[15:36] <vorlon> ah, 4
[15:37] <vorlon> sbuild also blocking postfix; I'll take that one, it's probably a britney hint issue
[15:38] <vorlon> yeah turns out that when postfix fails to configure on amd64 due to weird infra, all the autopkgtests of its reverse-dependencies fail
[15:38] <vorlon> #topic AOB
[15:38] <vorlon> anything else?
[15:39] <xypron> vorlon: postfix is what I previously looked at.
[15:39]  * vorlon nods
[15:39] <xypron> Should I try to create a patch for that one.
[15:39] <ogayot> I'll be off next Thursday (national holiday) and Friday (swap day)
[15:39] <slyon> same for me ^
[15:40] <adrien> oh, already? I'm going to be away for half of the pulse actually
[15:41] <adrien> I'll be off both thursday and friday
[15:41] <zhsj> i'll be off next friday (swap day)
[15:42] <bdmurray> I'm out this afternoon and tomorrow
[15:43] <vorlon> I have another swap day to take but haven't committed to when
[15:43] <vorlon> around otherwise!
[15:43] <xypron> I have only Monday and Tuesday next week to work.
[15:44] <vorlon> any other other business?
[15:44] <vorlon> #endmeeting
[15:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:44:52 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-05-11-15.04.moin.txt
[15:44] <vorlon> thanks, all!


[17:27] <ripps> Does anybody know if the Natty kernel uses that new autogrouping patch?
[17:42] <apw> ripps, autogrouping ?
[17:43] <ripps> apw: that 200 line patch that's been making buzz on some of the ubuntu/linux blogs
[17:44] <apw> ripps, yes it is currently applied
[17:44] <ripps> apw: cool
[17:45] <apw> ripps, no guarentees it will remain if it collides with updates to -38
[17:45] <ripps> kk
[17:46] <ripps> so your using -38 in Natty, I presume?
[17:46] <apw> ripps, will very likely be yes assumign .37 releases before xmas, which i predict it will
[18:27] <smoser> smb, i'd like your thoughts on bug 682831
[18:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 682831 in plymouth (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "lost console output early in boot (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682831


[07:52] <ertz> hello here
[08:02] <klepas> 'ello
[08:04] <ertz> klepas: how's it going? :)
[08:15] <klepas> it be going good
[08:15] <klepas> and yourself?
[08:20] <ertz> i'm doing fine :) ... doing lots of changes in an icon set :)
[08:21] <klepas> tango or tangerine?
[08:21] <klepas> :)
[08:22] <ertz> none :) one of my own
[08:22] <ertz> Dropline Neu
[08:26] <ertz> I wouldn't like to spoil Tango nor tangerine :P hehe
[08:44] <klepas> ertz: oh, sorry.
[08:44] <klepas> wasn't aware you're the author of that :)
[08:44] <ertz> klepas: hehe... no problem :)
[08:44] <ertz> I'm no great icon designer anyway :p
[08:44] <klepas> cheers to you :)
[08:45] <klepas> you definitely have a lot of skills :)
[08:45] <ertz> well, thanks :)
[08:46] <ertz> I'm still learning ... basic stuff, hehe...
[08:46] <ertz> mostly thanks to Tango Project's guidelines...
[09:10] <klepas> ertz: :o)
[09:10] <ertz> klepas: yes? :)
[09:10] <klepas> oh, i mean i agree
[09:10] <klepas> tango is great
[09:11] <ertz> ahh
[09:11] <ertz> hhehe...
[09:11] <ertz> yeah, it's awesome... best icon set ever
[09:11] <ertz> I bet jimmac heard the same thing a millon times :P
[09:41] <ertz> hmmm... never thought it would be so time consuming to resize icons...
[09:41] <ertz> anyone knows any method to resize SVGs while keeping vectors aligned to a pixel grid?


[07:24] <zequence> linux rt built fine in the PPA
[21:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Hello! At long last I am able to test out the Ubuntu Studio under UEFI situation. I plopped the install into a VM with UEFI in VBox. Now, to see if renaming /EFI/ubuntustudio to /EFI/ubuntu on the ESP works.
[21:08] <SonikkuAmerica> If it does, I'll let you know.
[21:29] <SonikkuAmerica> After testing, it seems that it works on its own on UEFI, with Secure Boot disabled.
[21:29] <SonikkuAmerica> (14.04)
[22:36] <zequence> SonikkuAmerica: AFAIK 14.04 works fine with UEFI
[22:36] <zequence> I tried an installtion with Secure boot enabled, and it worked
[22:37] <zequence> The kernel is now merged with linux-generic, and is maintained by canonical
[22:37] <zequence> We didn't have the signed stuff before, but since 14.04 we have what -generic has
[22:38] <zequence> I did my test install on a machine suited for Windows 8. Currently running Debian on it.
[22:39] <holstein> i was hoping we were done with RT kernels...
[22:39] <zequence> it's not a replacement
[22:40] <zequence> if it performs better than -lowlatency, and it's not too tough to maintain, I'm adding it to the repo
[22:40] <holstein> depends on what one is doing
[22:41] <holstein> if it messes with the battery life on a machine that is not doing audio production, thats worse performance.. but im just saying, i was hoping we were done with them by now.. or would be
[22:41] <zequence> if it doesn't break anything, and it serves a purpose, there's no argument against adding it
[22:41] <zequence> especially since it's me who does the work, not Ubuntu Studio
[22:42] <holstein> there are the known breakages..
[22:42] <zequence> -lowlatency is really what -generic should be (-generic is suited for servers)
[22:42] <zequence> But, it's not good enough in all situations
[22:42] <holstein> i mean, i can and might argue against adding it, but, im interested in testing..
[22:42] <holstein> i havent had my firewire device around to test with since 14.04 went stable
[22:42] <zequence> As I said, it's not replacing -lowlatency
[22:43] <zequence> And, if it serves a purpose, there is no argument against adding it, since it's not breaking anything
[22:43] <zequence> i don't need anyones permission to add a kernel into universe, except for the Ubuntu kernel folks
[22:43] <holstein> sure.. but it *does* break some things...
[22:44] <zequence> How? If it's not our default kernel, how would it breakt things?
[22:44] <holstein> zequence: im not saying you need my permission
[22:44] <zequence> For the third time, it's not a replacement
[22:45] <zequence> on the issue of us adding it as an install option (if we get to that point - we're still haven't even done a single test), then it is a matter for Ubuntu Studio
[22:45] <holstein> zequence: sure.. and i understand,, and really just wanted to say.. i suppose that can also be for the third time, that i was hoping we wouldnt need it anymore
[22:45] <holstein> i look forward to testing with my hardware.. all the cases i have, with both kernels
[22:45] <SonikkuAmerica> And look what I started :P lol
[22:45] <zequence> SonikkuAmerica: We were talking about something esle
[22:46] <SonikkuAmerica> oh
[22:46] <zequence> I'm looking at adding linux-rt back into the repos
[22:46] <SonikkuAmerica> At any rate, I'd say my work with that is done for now :D
[22:46] <zequence> But, this time, syncing linux-rt from Debian
[22:49] <zequence> holstein: -lowlatency will stay default, since it's the best choice. But, for those who need extra low latency - which I happen to need for live audio processing, then you always have a further choice
[22:50] <zequence> Computer hardware today should have no problem doing what we need it to do for audio processing, but most linux devs aren't focusing on that specific area
[22:50] <zequence> And linux is used mostly on servers and embedded devices, not studio desktop machines
[22:51] <zequence> -lowlatency makes things a little bit easier for us, but it's not reliable enough at all times
[22:51] <zequence> In certain situations, you'll get problems
[22:51] <zequence> -rt will probably introduce new problems, but that's how things go
[22:53] <zequence> SonikkuAmerica: It's cool that you put some effort in figuring that stuff out anyhow
[22:53] <SonikkuAmerica> :D
[22:53] <zequence> SonikkuAmerica: I've seen you on a few times, but whenever I tried to answer you, you had logged out already
[22:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, I forgot to put #ubuntustudio-devel on my list of favorites
[23:40] <DalekSec> zequence: Just real quick, have you done much in Debian-multimedia?


[05:08] <kolinar> OMG, I havent been in a chat room for at least a decade!
[05:08] <kolinar> Any guru can answer a lubuntu question?


[05:35] <Tm_T> thanks Pricey, I have "heartbeat" by Yes playing in my head now
[08:10] <Pricey> Tm_T: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mzeUhGsPrw has already been linked
[08:10] <bazhang> shaka, when the walls fell
[08:11] <rww> Pricey: wow, that brought back memories
[08:23] <Tm_T> rww: Pricey: that show runs daily here in Finland
[08:24] <Tm_T> has some good music quite often
[08:33] <Pricey> Tm_T: It's still going?!
[08:56] <bazhang> they've hit multiple channels with that
[08:56] <bazhang> ie galliatech
[08:57] <DJones> At least they asked about posting rather than just spamming regardless
[09:08] <Tm_T> Pricey: last episode released late 2010 apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbeat_(UK_TV_series)
[09:10] <Tm_T> which reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes,_Minister
[09:10] <k1l> @btlogin
[09:22] <k1l> !guidelines > Touhou11
[09:27] <ldunn> ure
[09:27] <ldunn> ack
[09:43] <k1l> [Testy-Bot] (~Testy-Bot@ANancy-652-1-485-197.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr): Testy Bot ;-)   << someone got some action by that?
 huh, Testy-Bot , not nice
[09:45] <DJones> freespirit-girl seems to be getting too far off topic
[09:45] <k1l> yes
[09:55] <ikonia> hey spiderlinux
[09:55] <spiderlinux> yup
[09:55] <ikonia> thanks for joining
[09:55] <spiderlinux> np bro
[09:55] <ikonia> I just wanted 2 minutes of your time, I'll be as quick as possible
[09:55] <spiderlinux> ok
[09:55] <ikonia> the #ubuntu channel is for trying to help other people with ubuntu problems, - that's it's function, that's it's goal
[09:56] <ikonia> if you could please stop messing around in the channel, pointing people to debian, offering silly advice, posting ad links, it would be very much appreciated
[09:56] <spiderlinux> ok np
[09:56] <ikonia> could you please try that, if you want to help someone, actually help them, if you don't just keep quiet
[09:56] <spiderlinux> ok no problem
[09:56] <ikonia> thanks
[09:57] <ikonia> you're welcome to /part here and go back to #ubuntu
[09:57] <spiderlinux> no, no thanks to you
[09:57] <ikonia> ?
[09:57] <ikonia> sorry I don't understand
[09:57] <spiderlinux> cause, can I ask you a favor
[09:57] <spiderlinux> ?
[09:57] <ikonia> what do you need ?
[09:58] <spiderlinux> I looking a song recognizer for a particulary song in a mix
[09:58] <knome> this isn't a support channel
[09:58] <ikonia> I suggest you /part here, and use #ubuntu to ask for your ubuntu help
[09:58] <ikonia> as I said #ubuntu is there to help ubuntu users, if you're an ubuntu user looking for help, it will try to help if it can
[09:58] <ikonia> (the channel)
[09:59] <spiderlinux> ok ok sorry again
[09:59] <ikonia> no problem
[10:02] <ikonia> spiderlinux: if you're done here please type "/part" to exit the channel
[10:44] <ikonia> Mindfart: hey there
[10:44] <Mindfart> hi
[10:44] <Mindfart> why am I banned on ubuntu? heh
[10:44] <ikonia> I forwarded you to this channel after you last left #ubuntu
[10:45] <ikonia> I was wondering if you could change your /part message as it's not really very nice
[10:45] <Mindfart> aah ok
[10:45] <Mindfart> sure
[10:45] <ikonia> thanks
[10:45] <Mindfart> ok, my part and quit message are empty now =)
[10:45] <ikonia> I've removed the forward from #ubuntu to here, so if you /part here and /join #ubuntu you'll be fine
[10:46] <ikonia> thank you for that
[10:46] <Mindfart> thx
[10:46] <Mindfart> no problem!
[15:39] <k1l> someone knows who to ask to confirm this: will the LTS (12.04.4) to LTS (14.04) upgrade path opened on 14.04 release or (just like on 10.04 to 12.04) when it becomes 14.04.1
[15:40] <k1l> i think we will get a lot of "i still dont see the upgrade notification for my LTS upgrade" tomorrow if that is not meant to be done without the -d
[15:41] <phunyguy> hmmm good question
[15:42] <phunyguy> maybe the release notes will say
[15:47] <k1l> ok, adam conrad confirmed, that it will be opend for 14.04.1, so no LTS upgrade until that (besides with the -d option)
[15:50] <k1l> edogg: TheMark: hi, can we help you?
[15:52] <phunyguy> k1l: that makes loads of sense with my laptops... I was going to wait until 14.10 timeframe, but that will actually work out.
[15:53] <phunyguy> maybe even do servers then too.
[16:01] <Flannel> k1l: That's usually how it works.  It helps the servers from being hammered too (and the users from breaking)
[16:13] <phunyguy> Flannel: it makes sense for me.  I didn't realize LTS releases worked like that.  It makes me happy that they do!
[16:14] <hggdh> k1l: the upgrade should work on any of the point releases
[16:21] <k1l> hggdh: yes but only after 14.04 will become 14.04.1
[16:23] <hggdh> oh, ok, you are talking about 12.04.4 over to 14.04. sorry, thought about generic 12.04 over to 14.04*
[16:24] <k1l> yep
[16:24] <Flannel> 12.04.* and 14.04.* are all the same release, except for time... and all sorts of other packages that could get new versions with the new policies depending on your configuration, like the kernel.
[16:24] <Flannel> (that statement used to be so much simpler)
[16:25] <hggdh> and X...
[16:25] <Flannel> yeah, all sorts of important core packages, now have like a dozen upgrade scenarios intead of just one!
[16:25] <hggdh> and Juju/Maas/Openstack
[16:26] <hggdh> it is a static rolling release, I guess
[16:35] <k1l> TheMark: edogg: hi, how can we help you?
[17:08] <ikonia> TheMark: hello
[17:10] <DJones> TheMark: Can #ubuntu ops help you?
[19:05] <daftykins> hello once again
[19:06] <daftykins> today's competitor is 'kanaki' in #ubuntu, who is sending me the same shifty .es links in PM
[19:07] <daftykins><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:07] <daftykins> i presume they keep changing IP why is why your logs aren't helpful for these little spammers? :)
[19:08] <IdleOne> I removed them
[19:10] <daftykins> any word on where they come from? bots on compromised machines or just timewasters?
[19:11] <IdleOne> my guess is time wasting
[19:14] <daftykins> :<
[19:14] <daftykins> ok ty!
[23:00] <ikonia> I'm sorry - someone else is going to have to deal with ubuntu
[23:01] <ikonia> #ubuntu
[23:01] <ikonia> there are too many people with zero idea trying to help
[23:03] <ikonia> request for unopaste in #kubuntu
[23:35] <AlanBell> ikonia: ok, no problem
[23:36] <ikonia> danke
[23:36] <AlanBell> oh, it would need +O of course


[12:08] <brousch> No Reader today
[12:08] <rick_h> what reader?
[12:09] <brousch> Google Reader
[12:09] <rick_h> as I said...what reader :P
[12:11] <brousch> I haven't found a good replacement yet
[12:11] <brousch> I have 2 weeks of podcasts saved then I'm in trouble there too
[12:31] <snap-l> Well, it's not like they didn't warn everyone
[12:32] <snap-l> And every tech pundit didn't have some opinion about it
[12:40] <brousch> I know
[12:49] <rick_h> "Hey, come on over. We've got a great view of the rocket launches since we're just a mile or so down from the range...uh oh..." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/02/russian_rocket_crash/
[13:22] <snap-l> And this is why we need a space program again
[15:32] <rick_h> https://twitter.com/Belmit/status/303208194807824384 I smiled
[16:53] <Blazeix> https://twitter.com/raganwald/status/352089641073127426
[16:54] <rick_h> lol
[16:54] <rick_h> <3
[16:54] <Blazeix> for rss readers, so far http://theoldreader.com/ has kept me happy
[17:05] <brousch> I am trying http://goread.io
[17:05] <brousch> Not bad
[17:13] <snap-l> In the "what are you smoking" dept: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kwang/mini-itx-motherboard-for-the-raspberry-pi-fairywre
[17:15] <rick_h> that's kind of cool
[17:16] <brousch> rick_h++
[17:16] <snap-l> Really?
[17:16] <snap-l> I think it's kind of silly.
[17:16] <rick_h> yea, you can get a regular case for it, stick it in
[17:17] <rick_h> rackmount!
[17:17] <snap-l> I think you'd have to be really attached to the ITX form factor before this even makes sense.
[17:18] <brousch> Well it lets you put it in a "normal" computer case
[17:18] <snap-l> A normal ITX case
[17:18] <snap-l> Which is not terribly common
[17:19] <snap-l> For something that is sized at about 1/4 of the size of ITX
[17:19] <snap-l> where you then add cables to reach the ports
[17:21] <rick_h> well I really hate the way the layout is sticking cords straight into the Pi
[17:21] <rick_h> this way the case/motherboard take up the strain and such.
[17:21] <rick_h> meh, I think it's cool. I don't own a RPi though
[17:21] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64x
[17:22] <snap-l> I think you could put an ITX in this
[17:25] <brousch> With a case it doesn't seem like a lot of strain on the Pi components
[17:32] <jrwren> raspberry pi is soooo last year. BeagleBoneBlack is this year.
[17:35] <rick_h> ok, guy walked into the starbucks with an ipad stuff in the back of his pants like a handgun in a cop movie.
[17:35]  * rick_h is very afraid
[17:35] <greg-g> rick_h: RUN AWAY, he'll shoot you with anti-freedom expensive bullet
[17:35] <greg-g> s
[17:36] <jrwren> I do that all the time?
[17:36] <greg-g> yeah
[17:36] <jrwren> You've never done that ?
[17:36] <greg-g> :)
[17:36] <jrwren> I mean with ipads, not with handguns.
[17:36] <rick_h> no, I've never stuck my tablet down my pants
[17:36] <jrwren> hell, I do it with my 11" macbook air
[17:37]  * rick_h is no afraid of jrwren
[17:39] <greg-g> I can't find it easily, but I have seen an image of a guy in a bathrobe doing dishes with a huge HP (I think) laptop stuck in the backside with his headphones plugged in there
[17:40] <greg-g> jrwren: btw, nice harddrive porn
[18:33] <snap-l> I guess I'm old fashioned but spending $60 for a mount for my Raspberry Pi to fit into a $40+ case is not my idea of money well spent
[18:38] <brousch> Penny pincher
[18:39] <snap-l> brousch: I take that as a compliment from you. ;)
[18:39] <brousch> You should
[19:57] <jrwren> greg-g: its so sweet :)
[19:57] <jrwren> I don't even want to know what 180TB costs from EMC :)
[19:58] <jrwren> snap-l: I agree with you, i have no use for such a mount, but apparently others do
[20:07] <rick_h> greg-g: Google+ says to wish you happy-bday!!!!
[20:13] <greg-g> :) indeed
[20:15] <brousch> How do you celebrate birthdays in SF? A big block of tofu with blunts as candles?
[20:15] <greg-g> brousch: well, I just had an IPA and burger for lunch, so, that's how I'm going about it ;)
[20:16] <brousch> Hm, sounds reasonable
[20:16] <greg-g> ...it was an organic beer ;)
[20:16] <brousch> ah, geez
[20:17] <snap-l> jrwren: I believe EMC uses the standard 1 testicle per TB cost to storage ratio
[20:17] <snap-l> so 180TB = 180 testicles
[20:17] <snap-l> You're welcome


[03:15] <PlainDave> Hey all you Mateys! haha! I love Ubuntu MATE.
[03:17] <PlainDave> and I've installed and tried about all of 'em.
[06:35] <kawasaki14011> mk14011u
[09:01] <ouroumov_> jbicha, you there?
[09:18] <ouroumov_> jbicha, wrt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1666021 I've just experienced this I think. High CPU usage and also massive link-local network activity. Yesterday I installed dnsmasq because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1681912 and I was wondering if when you reinstalled, you did that too?
[10:20] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov_ Hi
[10:20] <flexiondotorg> Can you update the following bug please - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1681912
[10:20] <flexiondotorg> Can you describe how to configure network connection sharing.
[10:21] <flexiondotorg> Also, on your own system, remove dnsmasq and just install dnsmasq-base.
[11:45] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, updated description and replaced dnsmasq with dnsmasq-base,  but I won't be able to re-test until I get home tonight.
[11:49] <flexiondotorg> Thanks.
[11:52] <ouroumov_> I've edited again to remove references to dnsmasq package
[12:32] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: same result on .2, I didnt do the update for "ubuntu-base" but it wasnt those 2
[12:32] <ouroumov_> deskwizard, it's magic
[12:32] <deskwizard> I think I'll stop being thick and use a VM for a little while, will report back
[12:33] <ouroumov_> deskwizard, alternatively maybe you can check out 17.04, it's quite an upgrade. ^^
[12:36] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: yeah I think I'll do that for that machine, I'll do more test in a VM later if I hit the issue on the project HW
[12:38] <ouroumov_> deskwizard, is it a laptop or a desktop btw?
[12:38] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: deskwop
[12:38] <deskwizard> desktop*
[12:39] <deskwizard> the laptop im using atm didnt get the issue, not did the 2 other desktops
[12:39] <ouroumov_> deskwizard, you don't happen to have a spare drive lying around?
[12:40] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: I don't think I do... did full test on the HD last night as you suggested and everything was clean, I'll get 17.04, worse comes to worse I'll ask a friend a favor and borrow a drive
[12:41] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: not having issue with the other OS in dual boot though
[12:42] <ouroumov_> deskwizard, what was really weird from your screenshot is that it's kind of a half theme regression
[12:42] <deskwizard> yeah, really weird indeed
[12:42] <ouroumov_> deskwizard, the 'show desktop' icon in the panel has correct theme, only the desktop icons are weird
[12:43] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: yeah and the UI, iirc the menu itself was fine
[12:44] <deskwizard> I'll double check that in a minute
[12:44] <ouroumov_> deskwizard, yesterday I forgot to ask if you'd checked the checksum for the .iso
[12:45] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: I did not, but I did install successfully with the same images in the past
[12:46] <deskwizard> perhaps I should have, let me see how its done hehehe
[12:47] <ouroumov_> deskwizard, the sha256sum is listed on the website download page
[12:47] <ouroumov_> deskwizard, just open a terminal in the directory where you've got the .iso file then run "sha256sum ubuntu-mate-blabla.iso"
[12:47] <ouroumov_> for 16.04.2 it should be 39cb4d4069dd79a9104b8c1c5d0d4a5b009779eec55fafeceafcf43c7ebcaba4
[12:48] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: yeah, kinda using another OS for making the flash drive atm, yeah I got the SHA256 from the image download page
[12:48] <deskwizard> bbiab, getting that worked out.
[12:50] <deskwizard> yep, image is fine
[12:50] <deskwizard> I think that's gonna be a "get my hammer" situation :P
[12:51] <ouroumov_> ^^
[12:51] <deskwizard> I'll double-check the menu thing and get 17.04 on there
[12:54] <deskwizard> http://i.imgur.com/jT65U5V.jpg yep, menus are fine
[12:58] <ouroumov_> This is so weird. It looks like it affects only caja.
[13:12] <ouroumov_> That was a complete reinstall deskwizard right? (Erase disk and install) you didn't preserve your /home partition or something like that?
[13:13] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: nope, format everytime, I thought I forgot when it first happened hehe
[13:13] <deskwizard> well, when it happened on the first reinstall that is
[13:13] <Astro7467> deskwizard: ouroumov_: not read all the chat. a) what video card? b) what happens if compositor is changed?
[13:14] <deskwizard> Astro7467: very good point, thats the only machine with an nvidia card
[13:15] <Astro7467> was expecting AMD 😀
[13:15] <deskwizard> Astro7467: lol well, the old AMD ones are fine :P (3000 and 4000 series)
[13:16] <Astro7467> see if compositor makes difference.
[13:16] <deskwizard> Astro7467: will look into that, will take a couple minutes for the flash and reinstall, will report back
[13:17] <Astro7467> Okay
[13:18] <deskwizard> just to make sure I do it right, should I cherry pick the updates in case I can see which one causes the issue ?
[13:21] <ouroumov_> I'm not sure how you can do that though
[13:22] <ouroumov_> In your experience does the issue appear after a reboot or right after the update?
[13:26] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: give me a couple minutes to confirm that so I don't give you guys erroneous information
[13:39] <deskwizard> I'll cherry pick the updates then look into the composer thing and your last question
[13:58] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: only after reboot
[13:59] <ouroumov_> Man I just don't get it, no one else has reported this issue. Are you running the OS on some very specific hardware maybe?
[14:01] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: not at all, pretty usual stuff
[14:01] <deskwizard> tried all the compositors, same result
[14:01] <deskwizard> must be the full moon or something :P
[14:02] <ouroumov_> Maybe the machine is cursed.
[14:02] <deskwizard> sounds like it indeed
[14:06] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: found something
[14:06] <deskwizard> if I do "killall caja" it comes back fine
[14:06] <deskwizard> let me see if its sticks after a reboot
[14:09] <deskwizard> and were back
[14:09] <deskwizard> *sigh* that took a while lol
[14:09] <ouroumov_> Verdict?
[14:10] <deskwizard> ouroumov_: solved
[14:15] <deskwizard> your remark about caja did it  ;)
[14:21] <deskwizard> I thought, if I reset caja's settings maybe it'll do the trick, so I searched for that and found this > https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/caja-fm-is-not-skinned-correctly/10943
[15:16] <smart-mirror> question!!!!   There is no sound in hdmi.   Please tell me how to make a sound.
[15:17] <deskwizard> smart-mirror: right click on the volume icon, sound preferences, then select your HDMI out
[15:20] <smart-mirror> The HDMI output selection icon is missing....
[15:23] <deskwizard> smart-mirror: figured it wasn't that easy :P I'm sorry mate I'm quite the noob... I'm sure someone else with skills will chime in
[15:23] <ouroumov_> smart-mirror, what hardware are you using?
[15:26] <smart-mirror> No No No Thank you.      I'm using raspberrypie.
[15:27] <ouroumov_> have you updated and rebooted since install?
[17:35] <biglars> Hello, is the 17.04 version going to be released today?
[17:38] <Astro7467> last update I saw said release was on track for April 13th release.
[17:41] <biglars> Alright!
[17:44] <rasbuntu> Hello, Is ubuntu-mate always available next year?
[18:53] <mate|90053> Is it out yet?
[19:23] <arm1e> Been testing the beta release and noticed that enpass is not installable. The repo does not exist anymore. Is this a known issue?
[19:29] <mate|79846> Hai, the alpha version that you can download now. Will that be updated to the release version or do I have to reinstall it to get the release version?
[20:00] <silicatewielder> Hello, could someone help me with compiling this library?


[05:38] <pitti> Good morning
[06:21] <vibhav> pitti: Since the FF has taken effect, should I still work on autopkgtests
[06:21] <vibhav> Since they (somewhat) "add" new features
[06:21] <pitti> vibhav: if you want -- those are not features in the FFE sense
[06:21] <vibhav> \o/
[07:57] <jibel> good morning
[07:57] <pitti> bonjour jibel
[07:57] <jibel> bonjour pitti
[08:15] <dholbach> good morning
[08:19] <vibhav> pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~vibhavp/ubuntu/raring/libpipeline/add-atuopkgtest/+merge/154883
[08:19] <pitti> vibhav: ah, thanks! giving this a test run, building testbed
[08:21] <vibhav> pitti: fyi, runs perfectly with sh
[08:24] <pitti> vibhav: MP updated with some nitpicks
[08:25] <vibhav> doing
[08:25] <pitti> thanks
[08:26] <vibhav> I had created a script for writing build, maybe it doesn't work
[08:26] <vibhav> pushed
[11:23] <pitti> jibel: is ~/jhbuild-data/jhbuild.modules still the place for edit for retryign modules?
[11:23]  * pitti wants to kick the two that were transient network errors
[11:23] <jibel> pitti, yes it is.
[11:23] <pitti> jibel: merci
[13:45] <lool> pitti: hey, I was wondering whether you started looking at hostapd etc. for wifi testing?  is this based on a new blueprint of yours, or would you want to add to the main network convergence one?
[14:39] <njin> balloons, hallo I'm writing the testcase for JeOS on kvm, do you think I can remove the step to verify that the dimesions of the filesystem needs to be lower than 500MB (actually is 768)
[14:40] <njin> also running uname -r it doesn't return -server, but return -generic kernel (testcase states -server) for amd64
[14:44] <jibel> njin, not really because one of the purpose of JeOS was the reduced size, but you might reconsider the size
[14:49] <njin> jibel, thanks and for the kernel issue ? it has to ship -server kernel or it is right the -generic ?
[14:49] <balloons> njin, hmm.. how big is the installed system atm?
[14:50] <njin> balloons, 768,1
[14:50] <njin> far from 500
[14:51] <jibel> njin, can you point me to the testcase please?
[14:51] <njin> jibel: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1458/info
[14:52] <njin> I'm trying to upgradig it
[14:53] <balloons> njin, yea, that's an oldie :-)
[14:53] <jibel> njin, AFAIK -server doesn't exist anymore and it is now a transitional package that installs -generic, so -generic is ok
[14:54] <njin> ok, thanks
[14:54] <jibel> njin, for the automated test we increased the size to something around 800MB
[14:54] <njin> jibel, balloons, so i keep as right value 800 MB
[14:55] <balloons> njin, sure.. it may continue to go larger over time, heh, but when and as it does we'll want to know about it
[14:56] <jibel> njin, 668000MB on i386 and 761250 on amd64 that was for Quantal, I don't know for Raring
[14:57] <jibel> plars would know probably
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Heyas balloons
[14:59] <plars> I don't recall for certain, but I thought that once it didn't fit on the cd the plan was to keep an eye on it but not stress too hard unless it seemed to grow rapidly and uncontrollably
[14:59] <plars> i.e. nobody wants to see it suddenly jump to 2G
[14:59] <balloons> smartboyhw, hiya!
[15:00] <smartboyhw> balloons, extremely sorry for not attending the Hackfest
[15:00] <balloons> smartboyhw, that's ok. We had a pretty fun time later in the day.. would have been your morning time I think
[15:01] <smartboyhw> balloons, oh.
[15:01] <smartboyhw> And anyway I'm just too hell busy with tests
[15:01] <smartboyhw> I had two coming up on Monday and Tuesday also....
[15:01] <smartboyhw> BAH
[15:01] <balloons> smartboyhw, almost done for summer?
[15:01] <balloons> did you see the ubuntu kylin news?
[15:01] <smartboyhw> balloons, summer?
[15:01] <smartboyhw> and what news?
[15:02]  * smartboyhw wonders why balloons is talking about summer
[15:02] <balloons> smartboyhw,
[15:02] <balloons> http://www.zdnet.com/chinese-government-builds-national-os-around-ubuntu-7000012994/
[15:02] <balloons> lots of news like that coming out
[15:03] <smartboyhw> balloons, I do know. The Chinese government is the one who basically *made* UbuntuKylin
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Does it infuriate the US government? (LOL)
[15:04] <balloons> lol -- well personally I think as ubuntu folks, we're excitied :-)
[15:04] <smartboyhw> balloons, and what about summer!?
[15:05] <balloons> traditionally in the US and europe I believe, people get summers off from school :-)
[15:05] <balloons> otherwise known as summer break, summer vacation, etc
[15:05] <smartboyhw> balloons, bah not yet
[15:05] <smartboyhw> You guys have early ones
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Mine will start at 10th July
[15:05] <balloons> it's like june here
[15:05] <balloons> ahh.. :-)
[15:05] <smartboyhw> balloons, yeah
[15:06] <smartboyhw> And June we will be frightened by the final exam + selection of subjects
[15:09] <balloons> ahh.. yes, I remember stuff like that'
[15:45] <phillw> smartboyhw: it has also been picked up by the BBC.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21895723
[15:59] <smartboyhw> phillw, UbuntuKylin got some fame
[15:59] <smartboyhw> LOL
[16:02] <phillw> smartboyhw: yep, it's rare for the BBC to mention linux, never mind ubuntu! Nice to see the paragraph about the difference between open and closed source as well :D
[16:02] <smartboyhw> :D
[17:40] <xnox> I would like to add debug-ubiquity kernel command line option to the desktop-utah case.
[17:40] <xnox> Can I somehow specify progmatically in the runlist?
[17:41] <xnox> hmm... runlist don't specify preseeds in the lp:ubuntu-test-cases/desktop/
[20:20] <letozaf_> balloons, hey
[20:35] <balloons> letozaf_, hello :-)
[20:35] <balloons> how are you?
[20:36] <letozaf_> balloons, hi I'm fine and you ?
[20:36] <balloons> pretty good
[20:36] <balloons> just readying for cadence stuff
[20:37] <balloons> also, have some surprises coming up.. but :-)
[20:37] <letozaf_> balloons, oh yes for next week :)
[20:37] <letozaf_> balloons, when installing autopilot on a clean Raring you do not need the PPA anymore do you ?
[20:37] <balloons> letozaf_, no you don't.. it's all in raring now :-0
[20:37] <balloons> I still have the ppa installed, but in practice you don't need it
[20:38] <letozaf_> balloons, :( I ran sudo apt-get install python-autopilot, but for instance autopilot launch file-roller does not work :(
[20:39] <letozaf_> balloons, I get Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "autopilot"
[20:41] <balloons> letozaf_, I believe you need the gtk lib too
[20:41] <balloons> doesn't it suggest install it?
[20:42] <balloons> if not, we may want to raise that as an issue
[20:42] <letozaf_> balloons, no
[20:42] <letozaf_> balloons, I think it-s a good idea
[20:42] <letozaf_> balloons, because I didn't know it for instance :)
[20:42] <letozaf_> balloons, at least I do not rember the name of the lib
[20:42] <balloons> if we can confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+filebug
[20:43] <letozaf_> balloons, I will file a bug but what's the libs name libauto what ?
[20:44] <letozaf_> balloons, and maybe we should write it here too : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Autopilot
[20:44] <balloons> letozaf_, let me look
[20:45] <balloons> libautopilot-gtk
[20:45] <balloons> and libautopilot-qt
[20:45] <balloons> did both get installed?
[20:45] <balloons> chilicuil, hello!
[20:46] <chilicuil> balloons: hi, good morning
[20:46] <balloons> oh! middle of the afternoon for me.. what timezone are you?
[20:46] <balloons> always fun to interact with people from "tomorrow" :-p
[20:46] <chilicuil> balloons: utc-6, but I usually wake up at this time =P
[20:47] <balloons> chilicuil, lol.. I'm utc-4
[20:47] <balloons> good morning!
[20:48] <balloons> njin, you about?
[20:49]  * chilicuil go dig into the autopkg docs
[20:49] <njin> balloons, I've uploaded the new tescase for the Jeos valid for kvm and vbos, so the old one needs to be removed
[20:49] <balloons> yes, I was looking at that
[20:49] <balloons> do you want to go ahead and merge it?
[20:49] <balloons> I believe you can
[20:50] <balloons> then I'll help sync it to the tracker
[20:52] <letozaf_> balloons, thanks they both got installed
[20:52] <balloons> letozaf_, where they not installed?
[20:53] <balloons> if so, let's file a bug for packaging
[20:53] <balloons> they should both come in
[20:53] <njin> balloons, what's the branch ? The branch that the source branch will be merged into.
[20:53] <balloons> let me check the pkg
[20:53] <letozaf_> balloons, no they were not installed
[20:53] <balloons> njin, https://code.launchpad.net/~fabiomarconi/ubuntu-manual-tests/Install_JeOS_in_Ubuntu_Server/+merge/155040
[20:53] <balloons> see Merge into: 	lp:ubuntu-manual-tests
[20:53] <balloons> u *should* be able to push to that
[20:53] <balloons> I'll approve the merge
[20:54] <letozaf_> balloons, now autopilot works fine, I mean after I manually installed the two libs
[20:55] <balloons> letozaf_, yea :-)
[20:55] <balloons> yea, so I'll file the bug
[20:55] <balloons> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/python-autopilot
[20:55] <letozaf_> balloons, ok
[20:56] <letozaf_> balloons, thanks
[20:56] <njin> balloons, what's the branch ? The branch that the source branch will be merged into. ?
[20:57] <njin> what I've got to put in that damned box ?
[20:57] <balloons> njin,
[20:57] <balloons> let me help :-)
[20:58] <balloons> ok, so do a checkout of lp:ubuntu-manual-tests
[20:58] <balloons> then do a bzr merge lp:~fabiomarconi/ubuntu-manual-tests/Install_JeOS_in_Ubuntu_Server
[20:59] <balloons> finally, do a bzr commit (to commit your merge) and then a bzr push to push it up
[20:59] <balloons> does that make sense?
[20:59] <balloons> njin, ^^
[21:04] <balloons> letozaf_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1158983
[21:04] <balloons> njin, if it doesn't make sense I can happily merge it for you
[21:04] <balloons> just thought you wanted to do it :-)
[21:05] <balloons> brb
[21:05] <letozaf_> balloons, fine, I will subscribe as  affecting me
[21:06] <letozaf_> balloons, I mean confirm it affects me
[21:15] <balloons> letozaf_, :-) I was thnking of pushing a patch for it..
[21:15] <balloons> but, not sure how they want it
[21:17] <letozaf_> balloons, :)  for sure I do not know how they want it :P but maybe you should just do it


[12:43] <Burgundavia> I got mentioned in lugradio
[01:09] <mpt> Well that makes two of us, Burgundavia :-)
[01:10] <mpt> What were they talking about?
[01:14] <Burgundavia> generally making fun of my name and reading my letter out
[01:15] <Burgundavia> then they talked about non-free launchpad
[02:17] <mpt> ah
[02:17] <mpt> So they discovered non-free Launchpad *after* voting Ubuntu as Least Evil Distribution
[02:20] <Burgundavia> indeed
[02:20] <Burgundavia> well
[02:20] <Burgundavia> technically, launchpad != ubuntu
[02:21] <mpt> sure
[02:21] <Burgundavia> but they are going to be tied together
[02:21] <mpt> and such fine distinctions would certainly be lost on those guys
[02:21] <Burgundavia> http://www.spicetrade.org/ <-- this looks really cool, but has java deps out the wazoo
[04:44] <jsgotangco> morning
[07:16] <jsgotangco> brb
[08:28] <jsgotangco> conglomerate is so buggy
[08:32] <Burgundavia> indeed
[08:32] <Burgundavia> I use bluefish to do my editing
[08:33] <jsgotangco> does bluefish have a template already?
[08:33] <Burgundavia> it has some docbook stuff
[08:33] <froud> Burgundavia: morn, c u have the same problem s as me
[08:33] <Burgundavia> I mostly like to write everything by hand
[08:33] <Burgundavia> froud, with jdub?
[08:33] <froud> It is not just jdub
[08:34] <froud> is a religious question
[08:34] <Burgundavia> just trying to push it forward
[08:34] <froud> give up dont waste your time
[08:34] <Burgundavia> no, I refuse to give up
[08:34] <froud> if they dont care why should we
[08:34] <froud> oh well your funeral
[08:35] <froud> I appreciat eyour support on this but really they have no clue and dont want to listen
[08:35] <froud> personally I dont have the time to waste on such people
[08:36] <froud> this is not the first time
[08:36] <Burgundavia> indeed
[08:36] <froud> so this time I am just not going to worry myself on it
[08:36] <Burgundavia> mark/mdz sounded supportize
[08:36] <Burgundavia> wow, what a word
[08:36] <Burgundavia> supportive, even
[08:36] <froud> well I still wait for responses on several issues
[08:37] <froud> until those are addressed, I hang low
[08:37] <froud> when I get time I will commit
[08:37] <froud> but I am not gonna stess myself for people who dont care to pull back
[08:37] <froud> I can be more productive at the fringes
[08:38] <froud> smaller projects
[08:38] <jsgotangco> :(
[08:38] <froud> like I did before the release on four or five apps
[08:38] <froud> well, must goo, just cam eto say hi and let you know my feelings.
[08:38] <jsgotangco> :(
[08:39] <Burgundavia> now you see why need to keep the momentum jstangco?
[08:40] <Burgundavia> froud did a lot of work with that portal
[08:40] <Burgundavia> just to see it disappear in smoke, or apparently
[08:40] <Burgundavia> that is why I am not going to let it get away
[08:40] <Burgundavia> I intend to be very persistent about making sure something this happens
[08:42] <jsgotangco> well ok the portal can open up a lot of things for us but im not so optimistic about being able to use it in time for breezy
[08:42] <Burgundavia> I am
[08:43] <Burgundavia> I am because I have to be
[08:43] <Burgundavia> docs don't take long to write
[08:43] <jdub> a "religious" issue?
[08:43] <Burgundavia> once the thing is in place
[08:43] <jdub> golly
[08:43] <Burgundavia> java
[08:43] <Burgundavia> froud is seriously pissed
[08:43] <jdub> oh well
[08:44] <jsgotangco> well ok the fridge is supposed to run something that elmo might not want to have but he's willing
[08:44] <Burgundavia> fridge is read only
[08:44] <Burgundavia> very very cool, but not what we are really looking for
[08:44] <jdub> if you and he can only express your point of view in these terms, i'm not really all that fussed
[08:45] <jdub> none of this really matters to a well functioning documentation team anyway
[08:45] <Burgundavia> froud was the person that I spent the longest time convincing to make a portal
[08:46] <Burgundavia> this is not something that we thought up over a weekend and pulled out of our ass
[08:46] <jdub> i don't think anyone's suggesting you did
[08:46] <Burgundavia> that is why I find your attitude very annoyed and condecending, to tell you the truth
[08:46] <jdub> but there are quite a few people suggesting that it's unnecessarily complex for the task at hand
[08:46] <jdub> perhaps you should take a moment to think about it
[08:46] <Burgundavia> like who?
[08:46] <Burgundavia> you?
[08:47] <Burgundavia> I haven't seen anybody say that
[08:47] <jsgotangco> oh boy we could have done a lot of work already without this chit chat
[08:53] <Burgundavia> jdub, what I guess it boils down to, is "if you build it, they will come"
[08:54] <jdub> Burgundavia: this is true of documentation, but not true of a web portal
[08:54] <jdub> Burgundavia: i'm happy to give you a phone call to describe why this entire discussion is a waste of time
[08:54] <Burgundavia> can you suggest something better?
[08:54] <jdub> yes
[08:55] <Burgundavia> the status-quo isn't working
[08:55] <jdub> heh
[08:55] <Burgundavia> I am open to any sort of technology
[08:55] <jdub> the answer is not "more tools" or "bigger infrastructure"
[08:55] <jdub> and "more technology" is *definitely* not the answer to a social problem
[08:56] <Burgundavia> jdub, I found another wiki last night
[08:56] <Burgundavia> one for PPC
[08:56] <Burgundavia> there is reason people are creating these wikis
[08:57] <jdub> i see you related our conversation yesterday as a "failure to communicate"
[08:57] <Burgundavia> they are easy to create docs in
[08:57] <jdub> yes, because our current wiki is very difficult to use and inadequately maintained
[08:57] <jdub> if you still feel we failed to communicate, i'm very happy to call you
[08:57] <Burgundavia> I am happy to have one big wiki for everything
[08:57] <Burgundavia> but froud explained to me that keeping stuff in SVN is very useful
[08:57] <Burgundavia> so I said, how do I marry the two concepts
[08:58] <jdub> for a certain class of documentation, sure
[08:58] <jdub> i think you are getting stuck on concepts and not thinking outside them
[08:58] <Burgundavia> the biggest hole in our docs is short, wiki-style howtos
[08:58] <jdub> i disagree - there are plenty of things we can do to improve our documentation without writing anything at all
[08:59] <Burgundavia> communication of where they are is huge
[08:59] <Burgundavia> part of the portal plan was to move docs to something like help.ubuntu.com
[08:59] <Burgundavia> and then advertise the crap out of it
[08:59] <jdub> and yet, the most important place for documentation is in the distribution itself
[08:59] <Burgundavia> I agree there
[08:59] <jdub> i'm not really interested in this cyclical discussion
[09:00] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:00] <jdub> if you want me to call, send me your details
[09:00] <Burgundavia> 1-250-385-3507
[09:02] <jsgotangco> oh man
[09:04] <jsgotangco> we can't stop people from making their own wikis/guides
[09:05] <jsgotangco> if we make good docs that people trust, users would refer to our docs not to other wiki/guides that are suspect
[09:05] <jsgotangco> :(
[09:05] <jsgotangco> i know
[09:05] <jsgotangco> :(
[09:33] <Burgundavia> off the phone
[09:33] <Burgundavia> I had a good conversation
[09:33] <Burgundavia> jdub can bill it to canonical
[09:33] <jdub> jsgotangco: calling cards - very cheap :-)
[09:34] <Burgundavia> even to Canada
[09:34] <jsgotangco> the Hello! phone cards?
[09:34] <jsgotangco> i bought those
[09:34] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:34] <jsgotangco> $10 can give you 300 minutes
[09:34] <jdub> that's the one :)
[09:35] <Burgundavia> phone cards are a rip for short phone calls, however
[09:35] <jsgotangco> ok so you two had a good chat i assume
[09:35] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:36] <Burgundavia> while not cured of my wanting a web portal, I am more convinced of jdubs way
[09:36] <jsgotangco> hmmm can you elaborate?
[09:36] <Burgundavia> I just had to remember that jdub got his job by being very smart
[09:37] <Burgundavia> basically, the doc team needs some good direction
[09:37] <Burgundavia> he suggested some good ways
[09:37] <Burgundavia> such as finding/sorting/making available is a better way existing upstreamer docs
[09:38] <Burgundavia> I don't you think someone can tell you about how to be smart
[09:38] <jsgotangco> ok go on
[09:39] <Burgundavia> we talked about getting docs into scrollkeeper
[09:39] <Burgundavia> which is the technical side of above
[09:39] <Burgundavia> of which I know next to nothing about, but must learn
[09:39] <Burgundavia> and we talked about the wiki transition
[09:39] <Burgundavia> and wiki farming, etc.
[09:40] <Burgundavia> I guess the biggest thing, was, we don't actually need to write docs
[09:40] <Burgundavia> we just need to organize them more
[09:40] <Burgundavia> which is sort of true
[09:40] <jsgotangco> errmm i always had that thought
[09:41] <Burgundavia> we still need some docs
[09:41] <jsgotangco> the only thing that's stopping me from being the seb128 of docteam is that i know very little of docbook at the moment
[09:41] <Burgundavia> but they can be small and mostly pointers
[09:42] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, I would say then, write in the wiki
[09:42] <Burgundavia> we can worry about docbook closer to release
[09:42] <jsgotangco> i really hate our wiki but i guess there is no point resisting that
[09:42] <Burgundavia> I have a lot of very cool ideas, but then I start writing in docbook, and I got bored really quickly
[09:43] <Burgundavia> docbook is for when you have already written the text
[09:43] <Burgundavia> but writing is not the focus right now
[09:43] <jsgotangco> hmm ok you have a point
[09:43] <Burgundavia> what I am saying is what jdub said, which is completely right
[09:43] <Burgundavia> the problem is that people need a quick and easy place to write
[09:43] <Burgundavia> wiki is one solution
[09:43] <Burgundavia> portal is another
[09:44] <Burgundavia> but the other problem is we need to tell people how to find existing docs
[09:45] <jsgotangco> thats where farming and culling comes in
[09:45] <Burgundavia> which is a really messy thing to even start at
[09:45] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, this is more already packaged stuff
[09:45] <Burgundavia> because there are dozens of forms that they are written in
[09:45] <Burgundavia> and lots and lots of packages
[09:46] <Burgundavia> jdub, you said we should get a script to cut packages apart and look for stuff to register in scrollkeeper?
[09:47] <jsgotangco> do you know any scrollkeeper aware browser?
[09:47] <Burgundavia> no idea
[09:47] <Burgundavia> I am not a developer, nor do I really wish to be one
[09:48] <Burgundavia> I write stuff, do talks and generally produce hot air
[09:48] <jsgotangco> perfect
[09:48] <jdub> jsgotangco: yelp's index is built from the documentation registered with scrollkeeper
[09:49] <jsgotangco> ah right i thought of yelp
[09:49] <jsgotangco> but then scrollkeeper acts as middleman as well
[09:49] <Burgundavia> I thought browser as web browser
[09:51] <jsgotangco> im sure the major help browsers are scrollkeeper aware
[09:51] <Burgundavia> I don't know if khelp is
[09:51] <Burgundavia> that seemed to be a sticking point with scrollkeeper
[09:51] <Burgundavia> I think it is gnome-specific
[09:51] <Burgundavia> but my memory could be bad
[09:51] <jsgotangco> khelpcenter has support
[09:51] <jsgotangco> as well as nautilus
[09:52] <jdub> (nautilus's support was replaced with yelp)
[09:52] <jsgotangco> but yelp replaced nautilus
[09:52] <Burgundavia> you are correct
[09:52] <Burgundavia> my memory was bad
[09:52] <Burgundavia> as usual
[09:53] <Burgundavia> jdub, is scrollkeeper really not had a release in 2 years>
[09:54] <Burgundavia> s/is/has
[09:54] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, are you using xchat?
[09:55] <jsgotangco> i am
[09:55] <Burgundavia> have you noticed this bug?
[09:55] <jsgotangco> where?
[09:55] <Burgundavia> tab completion is sometimes case-sensitive, and sometimes not
[09:55] <jsgotangco> oh
[09:55] <jsgotangco> no i didn't notice that
[09:55] <Burgundavia> I don't know if it a real bug, or my hallucinations
[09:56] <Burgundavia> here is an example
[09:56] <jsgotangco> i will try random
[09:56] <Burgundavia> Andy vs anndy
[09:57] <Burgundavia> if you type an, you will get Andy, but if you back up to An, it won't tab complete to anndy
[09:57] <jsgotangco> no i didn't notice anything like that, unfortunately, i don't have an eye for such details
[09:58] <Burgundavia>  #ubuntu right now has AndyR and anathema
[09:58] <Burgundavia> you can test it out
[09:58] <Burgundavia> to see if I am not on crack
[09:58] <Burgundavia> then I file the bug
[10:03] <jsgotangco> it didnt happen to me
[10:03] <jsgotangco> An still gave me AndyR
[10:03] <jsgotangco> so did an
[10:04] <Burgundavia> say again?
[10:04] <jsgotangco> An and an gave me the same tab completed nick AndyR
[10:05] <Burgundavia> they should
[10:05] <Burgundavia> let AndyR complete
[10:05] <Burgundavia> then deleted to AN
[10:05] <jsgotangco> even if i back up to An it still gave the same result
[10:05] <Burgundavia> sorry
[10:05] <Burgundavia> An
[10:05] <jsgotangco> it still works
[10:06] <Burgundavia> the list for an is AndyR, anubis
[10:06] <Burgundavia> sorry
[10:06] <Burgundavia> is AndyR, anathema
[10:06] <jsgotangco> you get 2 results?
[10:06] <Burgundavia> the list for An is AndyR, Anubis
[10:06] <Burgundavia> that is just the first to results
[10:07] <Burgundavia> as hitting tab again selects the next nick
[10:07] <jsgotangco> i get all an nicks irregardless of case
[10:07] <Burgundavia> odd
[10:07] <Burgundavia> so An and an both get AndyR, then anathema
[10:07] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:07] <jsgotangco> hmm
[10:07] <jsgotangco> wait
[10:08] <jsgotangco> An i only get AndyR and Anubis
[10:08] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:08] <Burgundavia> that is the bug
[10:08] <jsgotangco> but an i get all of them
[10:08] <Burgundavia> I think the devs were trying to be smart
[10:08] <Burgundavia> and think that An would only be looking for capital A
[10:09] <Burgundavia> but they failed to realize what would happen if some tab completed the wrong nick
[10:09] <Burgundavia> and just deleted the number of letters to make it common
[10:09] <jsgotangco> if you type a then tab, you get a list of all A/a nicks
[10:09] <jsgotangco> but if you type A then tab, you only get A nicks
[10:10] <jsgotangco> wrong nick after tab completion happens for fast fingers
[10:10] <Burgundavia> ugh, I have to use sf.net bug tracker
[10:15] <Burgundavia> gah
[10:16] <Burgundavia> I can't wait until malone rocks
[10:17] <jsgotangco> we need docteam love
[10:17] <Burgundavia> docteam love?
[10:17] <Burgundavia> we need a good direction
[10:17] <Burgundavia> I can't provide that
[10:17] <jsgotangco> you can try
[10:18] <Burgundavia> I don't know where we need to go
[10:19] <jsgotangco> ok ill do breezy tommorow and check where we can start
[10:19] <Burgundavia> we need people with clear vision
[10:19] <Burgundavia> I don't have that when it comes to the docteam
[10:20] <Burgundavia> because I don't understand a lot of the technical side of things
[10:21] <jsgotangco> im not good on that either but im learning
[10:21] <Burgundavia> there is the clear disconnect
[10:21] <Burgundavia> it is very frustrating
[10:21] <Burgundavia> because I realise how little interest I actually have in mucking with those kinds of details
[10:22] <jsgotangco> hmm lugradio really trashed ubuntu heh
[10:23] <jsgotangco> the mad philantrophist
[10:23] <jsgotangco> doh
[10:23] <Burgundavia> they even mentioned me
[10:23] <Burgundavia> lugradio actually love ubuntu
[10:24] <jsgotangco> hmmm i probably missed you there
[10:24] <Burgundavia> right at the end, in the email section
[10:24] <Burgundavia> my real name is Corey Burger
[10:24] <jsgotangco> yeah ill just listen to it again tonight
[10:25] <Burgundavia> generally it was good
[10:25] <Burgundavia> even though the linspire guy was pure marketing
[10:25] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:26] <jsgotangco> the only real technical guy here who's capable of this stuff is froud at the moment
[10:26] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:26] <jsgotangco> or jeff perhaps if he's willing?
[10:26] <jsgotangco> jeffsch i mean
[10:27] <Burgundavia> no idea, I have not interacted much with him
[10:27] <jsgotangco> but i think both are quite busy atm
[10:29] <jsgotangco> maybe a devel should mentor us at least?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> that is something I thought of
[10:29] <Burgundavia> jdub is going to email the list with specifics
[10:29] <Burgundavia> and then we can go from there
[10:30] <jsgotangco> thats a good start
[10:46] <jsgotangco> brb
[10:59] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, do you use f-spot?
[11:00] <Burgundavia> nope
[11:00] <Burgundavia> don't own a camera
[11:00] <jsgotangco> ok it just froze on me hmm
[11:00] <Burgundavia> f-spot is very cool, but quite alpha
[11:00] <jsgotangco> very
[11:44] <jsgotangco> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/
[11:44] <jsgotangco> just some photos
[11:51] <Burgundavia> cool
[12:37] <jsgotangco> bye bye
[04:06] <mvirkkil> Burgundavia: Didn't have to be pacient for long, I got the Ubuntu CD:s today (though the bag looked like it had gone to hell and back).
[04:06] <mvirkkil> ^--- patient even
[04:11] <jjesse> is that the free cds from shipit?
[05:49] <mvirkkil> jjesse: Yes. I ordered 8 x86 and one ppc and one amd64. They arrived in an envelope that had been so poorly treated it resembled a bag.
[05:49] <mvirkkil> The envelope had a bubble wrapped inside.
[06:30] <mdke> hi all
[10:10] <thegreedyturtle> jiyuu0- sent you a pm on ubuntuforums.org
[10:12] <thegreedyturtle> you'll have to tell me if the torrent works for ya, luckily ubuntu comes with gnome-torrent preinstalled, so it should be very easy for newbies to get their hands on it


[20:21] <kroq-gar78> Hello, does Launchpad support using native Git repos for build recipes (i.e. without importing the repos into bazaar)?
[20:26] <dobey> not yet
[20:27] <dobey> further integration with launchpad for git repos is still being worked on
[20:27] <kroq-gar78> dobey, sound good
[20:36] <cjwatson> Yup, not in the current batch of work but it'll probably be in the next couple of months.
[20:38] <kroq-gar78> sounds good. One project I've been working on used submodules at one point in Git, so I couldn't import it into bzr at the time. Does bzr support subtrees, or is that still in progress?
[20:38] <cjwatson> That's unlikely to happen.
[20:38] <cjwatson> Overwhelmingly likely that we'll do git mirroring and recipes first ...
[20:40] <cjwatson> (Neither is especially hard; mirroring is basically just some extra bits in the database and some kind of import job; recipes just involve writing a more-or-less-compatible replacement for bzr-builder)
[20:40] <cjwatson> But git submodules -> bzr would be a bunch of fundamental thinking about how to round-trip it, and very probably extensions to bzr that we simply aren't staffed for any more.
[20:41] <cjwatson> So I can see how it might look as though doing it within the existing import-into-bzr framework might be easier, but actually it's the other way round.
[20:42] <cjwatson> (You can certainly run your own manual import if you can hack it up to work, but then any automation of that is up to you)
[20:45] <cjwatson> Current priorities for git support are fixing up a bunch of stuff we cut corners on in the initial deployment, and adding support for webhooks (not really git-specific but that's a major use case)
[20:48] <kroq-gar78> Ah, I understand - seems like a good plan to me. I'll look into manually importing stuff for now, but thanks for the response!


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