[00:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177346 in nautilus (main) "printer canon dose not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177346
[00:10] <ubotu> New bug: #177347 in gtkdialog (universe) "Examples refer to the wrong executable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177347
[00:15] <ubotu> New bug: #177349 in gnucash-docs (universe) "Mistake in gnucash documentation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177349
[00:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177350 in lvm2 (main) "pvresize can't shrink PVs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177350
[00:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177352 in ubuntu "vert flickering, up and downWARBLE!!!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177352
[00:45] <ubotu> New bug: #177354 in firefox (main) "firefox continually crashes loading pdf on redirect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177354
[00:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177355 in kubuntu-meta (main) "graphic tool for the scanner configuration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177355
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177358 in ubuntu "firefox chrash permanently- 7 times while trying send this report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177358
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #177359 in system-config-printer (main) "system-config-printer.py crashed with SIGSEGV in PyObject_Malloc()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177359
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #177360 in ion3 (multiverse) "ion3 in Gutsy doesn't follow author's License" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177360
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #177361 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "package flashplugin-nonfree <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177361
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #177364 in firefox (main) "no video image, sound only, on fox news site using adobe flash player 9 on an ubuntu system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177364
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #145720 in awn-extras "Stacks unusable with focus-follows-mouse (dup-of: 139997)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145720
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177366 in ubuntu "misspelling found - lowercase 'w' in 'wine'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177366
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177367 in ion3 (multiverse) "Please remove ion3 from hardy" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177367
[04:07] <ubotu> New bug: #177375 in software-properties (main) "Wrong display of key name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177375
[04:07] <ubotu> New bug: #177377 in aptitude (main) "aptitude crashed with SIGSEGV when calling aptitude changelog <package that does not exist>" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177377
[04:07] <ubotu> New bug: #177378 in ubuntu "ear phone and mic jack inoperable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177378
[04:09] <persia> Hobbsee: Where's the core or the trace for that?  Hard to find the problem with the information available :(
[04:09] <Hobbsee> persia: dunno.  i thought apport would fix it
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hrm, odd.
[04:10] <persia> Hobbsee: Maybe there's some apport magic I don't understand, but the lack of trace text in the description makes me think apport doesn't have the data it needs.
[04:10] <Hobbsee> i wonder why it didn't
[04:10] <Hobbsee> it uploaded it in the first place.  i susppect LP ate it
[04:10] <persia> If LP stole it and is feeding apport-retracer, maybe we just have to wait...
[04:11] <Hobbsee> persia: it should be easy enough to reproduce
[04:11] <persia> Hobbsee: Should, but Fujitsu can't, so I suspect some other factor is involved.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> oh, core dump gets removed when it becomes public, i think
[04:13] <blueyed> Yes, when it got retraced successfully.
[04:13] <persia> blueyed: Right, but this didn't even get the description trace entry.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> it never got retraced
[04:13] <blueyed> Cannot reproduce it either.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> odd
[04:14] <persia> Hobbsee: invalid: aptitude hates you.  Submit an apport crash when you can get one.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> persia: yeah.  now apport hates me, and wont trigger
[04:14] <persia> I suggest fixing apport, and then breaking aptitude again.
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177382 in postgresql-8.2 (main) "pg_dump produces invalid SQL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177382
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177384 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "6.06.2 installation in vmware resulted in kernel-oops in ext3_forget" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177384
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #145462 in bzr-gtk (universe) "olive-gtk crashed with "ImportError: No module named dialog"" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145462
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177388 in ubuntu "Both Ubuntu & Kubuntu 7.10 Live CD installations fail at "install grub"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177388
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177389 in ubuntu "postgrey crash cleaning main database during delivery" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177389
[07:26] <ubotu> New bug: #177397 in update-manager (main) "bug in update-manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177397
[07:26] <ubotu> New bug: #177398 in tracker (main) "tray icon appears even when tracker is disabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177398
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177400 in nautilus-share (universe) ""Sharing services are not installed"-Dialog returns without any warnings when there are no such packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177400
[07:53] <Burgundavia> bdmurray: you still up?
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177406 in update-manager (main) "Could not install 'tzdata'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177406
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177407 in update-manager (main) "Could not install 'tzdata'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177407
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177408 in libnet-server-perl (main) "Please upgrade to 0.97" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177408
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177410 in network-manager (main) "When logging off from wireless network, DNS settings remain the same" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177410
[09:04] <ubotu> New bug: #177419 in subversion (main) "Please include svnsync notes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177419
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #177428 in ubuntu "Gutsy shutdown window needs 15 seconds to appear when using restricted graphic drivers " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177428
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #177430 in linux-meta (main) "USB 1.1 automatic fallback if 2.0 fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177430
[10:42] <ubotu> New bug: #177425 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "No mount of nfs4 partition with kernel 2.6.22-14-generic possible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177425
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177431 in epiphany-browser (main) "epiphany-gecko crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177431
[11:19] <ubotu> New bug: #177399 in evolution-exchange (main) "evolution-exchange-storage crashed with SIGSEGV in ldap_int_select()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177399
[11:19] <ubotu> New bug: #177433 in ubuntu "black horizontal bars/glitching on display in bottom right hand corner of screen " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177433
[11:19] <ubotu> New bug: #177434 in pam (main) "Distribution Upgrade stops at libpam0g" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177434
[11:19] <ubotu> New bug: #177435 in ubuntu "mplayer sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177435
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177252 in totem (main) "totem-gstreamer-video-thumbnailer crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_check()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177252
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177351 in evince (main) "evince crashed with SIGSEGV in CairoOutputDev::setCairo()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177351
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177436 in thunderbird (main) "Thunderbird cant manage 150 single jpg attachments" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177436
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135003 in labyrinth (universe) "labyrinth crashed with OSError in get_save_dir() (dup-of: 97064)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135003
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177437 in update-notifier (main) "Daily note to .xsession-errors about "no cdrom: disk"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177437
[11:52] <ubotu> New bug: #177438 in update-manager (main) "Wish: distinct visual indication for skipped updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177438
[11:52] <ubotu> New bug: #177439 in ubuntu "Mounting NFS Shares Causes System Freeze After Kernel Update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177439
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177440 in gcc-defaults (main) "Missing package g++-4.1.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177440
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #177441 in evince (main) "Finnish translation: ‘Avaa linkkki’ should read ‘Avaa linkki’" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177441
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #177442 in ubiquity (main) "DebconfError" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177442
[12:33] <ubotu> New bug: #177443 in photoprint (universe) "photoprint should recommend or require icc-profiles package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177443
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #177444 in gimp-help (main) "gimp-help 2+0.13-1 produces uninstallable binaries:" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177444
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177191 in php5 (main) "php5-cgi crashed with SIGSEGV in virtual_file_ex()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177191
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177195 in php5 (main) "php5-cgi crashed with SIGSEGV in realpath@@GLIBC_2.3()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177195
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177446 in language-support-zh (main) "language-support-zh 1:7.10+20070626 produces uninstallable binaries" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177446
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #177448 in linux-meta (main) "linux-meta <IP_ADDRESS>.1 produces uninstallable binaries" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177448
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177451 in ubuntu "add numlock warning to login windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177451
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #177455 in gnome-utils (main) "Wishlist: baobab: network drives show user quota if available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177455
[13:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177449 in empathy (universe) "empathy-chat-chandler crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177449
[13:56] <ubotu> New bug: #177457 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "[Gutsy] Kernel panic on boot, "run-init: nuking initramfs contents: Directory not empty" (dup-of: 155689)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177457
[13:56] <ubotu> New bug: #177458 in darcs (universe) "darcs shouldn't need an MTA just to send mail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177458
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177460 in evolution (main) "Invalid date value" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177460
[14:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177459 in totem (main) "totem.desktop contains invalid MIME type '-e'" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177459
[14:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177462 in galeon (universe) "galeon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177462
[14:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177465 in kdebase (main) "Cannot use / character in remote:/ network folders" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177465
[14:11] <ubotu> New bug: #177466 in ubuntu "Font hinting doesn't work properly in Dapper Drake" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177466
[14:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177473 in beagle (main) "New upstream release (0.3.1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177473
[14:46] <bddebian> Boo
[14:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177471 in ubuntu ""Installer crashed" during installation at about 74%" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177471
[15:12] <ubotu> New bug: #177477 in libglazedlists-java (multiverse) "Fix FTBFS by adding java-gcj-compat-dev as build dependency" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177477
[15:16] <ubotu> New bug: #177479 in firefox (main) "Firefox Crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177479
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #177480 in firefox (main) "Flash plugin not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177480
[15:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177483 in squirrelmail (universe) "Please sync squirrelmail 2:1.4.13-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177483
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #127904 in notification-daemon (main) "notification-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127904
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "EXA is balls-achingly slow (945)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177492
[15:52] <ubotu> New bug: #177486 in xchat-gnome (main) "temporarily locks up while connecting to networks" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177486
[15:52] <Pici> Hrm... not really appropriate for a bug report.
[15:52] <ubotu> New bug: #177489 in bind (universe) "loss of masters causing bind to become unresponsive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177489
[15:52] <ubotu> New bug: #177490 in ubuntu "X server is restarted only" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177490
[16:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177493 in acpi (main) "DELL Inspiron 6400 won't come back after trying to resume from hibernate with lid closed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177493
[16:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177236 in xchat-gnome (main) "xchat-gnome crashed with SIGSEGV in _gdk_keymap_key_is_modifier() (dup-of: 177197)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177236
[16:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177494 in ubuntu "samsung 2232bw 22" widescreen wrong resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177494
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #177496 in ubuntu "Ubuntu needs an archive of old deb packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177496
[16:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177499 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice.org PDF export incorectness" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177499
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177501 in firefox (main) "[Hardy 8.04 alpha 1, Firefox <IP_ADDRESS>]  Mouse-over navigation submenus are behind adjacent frame containing an Adobe Flash Player 9 display. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177501
[17:03] <ubotu> New bug: #177487 in update-manager (main) "Restart required dialogue issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177487
[17:03] <ubotu> New bug: #177488 in compiz (main) "Hangs on intel i945 (I think when alt-tabbing)" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177488
[17:20] <ubotu> New bug: #177502 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox it's closed only without doing anything" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177502
[17:20] <ubotu> New bug: #177503 in firestarter (universe) "Firestarter exits with segmentation fault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177503
[17:21] <ubotu> New bug: #149686 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "displayconfig-gtk crashed with IndexError in _syncXorgConfig() (dup-of: 147721)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149686
[17:25] <ubotu> New bug: #149811 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "displayconfig-gtk crashed with IndexError in _syncXorgConfig() (dup-of: 147721)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149811
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177504 in kde-guidance (main) "guidance-power-manager crashes on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177504
[18:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177506 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177506
[18:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177507 in openoffice.org (main) "Grafiken Symbolleisten" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177507
[18:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177510 in compiz (main) "Impossible to switch workspace when VirtualBox is opened" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177510
[18:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177511 in synaptic (main) "synaptic crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177511
[18:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177509 in totem (main) "totem-gstreamer won't release fullscreen" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177509
[18:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177512 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Heavy network performance problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177512
[18:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177514 in firefox (main) "firefox 64-bit IcedTea java not working." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177514
[19:11] <ubotu> New bug: #177518 in ubuntu "blender causes hard freeze" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177518
[19:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177522 in totem (main) "only shoes top  portion of vidio. Top of window blank" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177522
[19:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177524 in ubuntu "Tracker has a strange behaviour with word "just"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177524
[19:44] <ubotu> New bug: #177528 in qmail (multiverse) "please package qmail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177528
[19:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177530 in libbonobo (main) "OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177530
[19:56] <ubotu> New bug: #177532 in ubuntu "I can't umount my pendrive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177532
[19:56] <ubotu> New bug: #177533 in traverso (universe) "[Sync request] please sync traverso 0.42.0 from debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177533
[20:04] <ubotu> New bug: #177534 in ubuntu "MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177534
[20:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177537 in clamav (universe) "Remote Code Execution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177537
[20:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177539 in makedev (main) "makedev does not remove rc.d links after upgrade from dapper" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177539
[20:26] <ubotu> New bug: #177540 in grub (main) "spelling mistake in /usr/share/bug/grub/presubj" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177540
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177542 in ubuntu "fsck should not run at boot periodically!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177542
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177543 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install search function crashes the application" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177543
[21:12] <ubotu> New bug: #177545 in emerald (universe) "emerald unable to fetch any themes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177545
[21:26] <ubotu> New bug: #177547 in gnome-media (main) "gnome-volume-control does not affect the output volume " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177547
[21:26] <ubotu> New bug: #177548 in ubuntu "4G RAM on Thinkpad T61p" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177548
[21:35] <ubotu> New bug: #177550 in xine-lib (main) "xine won't run libdvdcss2 when you put a DVD in the drive and xine autoruns DVD's" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177550
[21:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177554 in hotkey-setup (main) "Fujitsu p7120d hotkey codes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177554
[21:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177555 in gnome-keyring (main) "gnome-gpg stopped working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177555
[21:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177556 in ubuntu "La conexiòn inalámbrica a internet se bloquea" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177556
[22:16] <ubotu> New bug: #177560 in openrpg (universe) "OpenRPG current version is out of date." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177560
[22:21] <ubotu> New bug: #177559 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "package nvidia-glx-new None failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/nvidia-xconfig', which is also in package nvidia-xconfig" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177559
[22:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177562 in milter-greylist (universe) "fails to create socket directory at startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177562
[23:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177563 in gnome-system-tools (main) "[hardy] users-admin crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 174915)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177563
[23:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177566 in kdepim (main) "marking a recurring kontact to-do as complete causes application crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177566
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #177569 in bitpim (universe) "Crash during phonebook import" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177569
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #177570 in gnome-power-manager (main) "[hardy] two batteries display when left clicking on g-p-m" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177570
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #177574 in firefox (main) "dueling popup menus on some sites" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177574
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #177575 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Hardy: nvidia-glx-new (100.14.19+<IP_ADDRESS>-2.7) breaks X" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177575
[23:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177576 in linux (main) "rt2x00 badly broken in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177576
[23:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177577 in adept (main) "adept crash after removing "kdmtheme" 1.2.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177577
[23:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177578 in ubuntu "Hardy Fails to Load X After Updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177578
[23:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177579 in nautilus (main) "nautilus freezes on opening ftp connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177579
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177580 in file-roller (main) "crashes when opening a .arj archive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177580


[11:16] <cmaloney> Good morning
[11:21] <cmaloney> http://www.oreilly.com/business/free/build-to-lead.csp
[14:40] <_stink_> if anyone knows a PHP dev who has some other skills and/or has lots of wordpress experience... my team is hiring
[14:47] <cmaloney> heh
[14:50] <widox> "other skills" -- reminds me of a Liam Neeson quote...
[14:51] <widox> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0hZ1KKpV54
[14:52] <_stink_> haha
[20:33] <Scary_Guy> anyone around?  I'm stumped.  Says I have no space for the upgrade and I'm using 8gb of a 1tb drive for the media center for the living room
[20:55] <gamerchick02> that's weird
[20:55] <gamerchick02> do you have to drives?
[20:55] <gamerchick02> *two i mean
[21:09] <Scary_Guy> nope
[21:10] <Scary_Guy> it's a thin client, don't think I could fit two drives in it
[21:12] <Scary_Guy> oh, weird, it's just partitioned stupid
[21:12] <jrwren> i should have suggested that. it was my guess, but I thought... nah...
[21:15] <gamerchick02> oh dang yeah. makes sense. sorry i'm in the bugcast right now and it's really active
[21:19] <Scary_Guy> it's cool, was a shot in the dark anyway.  partition seems okay though so I'm not sure.  I don't partition much and it's encrypted with the unencrypted boot partition in front
[21:19] <Scary_Guy> I'm searching google, was just wondering if anyone here ran into anything similar
[21:24] <gamerchick02> i have not, i'm sorry.


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[00:57] <leftyfb> eggbean: what failures?
[00:58] <eggbean> leftyfb: http://sprunge.us/cRhG45
[00:58] <leftyfb> eggbean: pretty sure you can ignore those
[00:59] <eggbean> Yeah, but the service isn't working
[00:59] <eggbean> It also messes up syslog
[01:00] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release are you running on this system whose hostname is "pop-os"?
[01:00] <leftyfb> eggbean: cat /etc/issue | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:00] <leftyfb> actually, sorry
[01:00] <leftyfb> eggbean: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:00] <oerheks> same here, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vPjRr829kw/
[01:01] <oerheks> but no need for sudo to see status
[01:01] <leftyfb> I also get the same but the service is running just fine and location services also works fine
[01:01] <oerheks> maybe popos does something different
[01:01] <leftyfb> on ubuntu 20.04
[01:01] <eggbean> yeah, I had ^restart^status
[01:01] <eggbean> earlier
[01:02] <leftyfb> eggbean: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:03] <eggbean> leftyfb: It works fine? So if you set the weather app to automatically find your location and set time/date to autoset timezone, you get the correct location, as I always get Nicosia in Cyprus, when I live in London, UK
[01:04] <eggbean> https://termbin.com/te5td
[01:05] <leftyfb> eggbean: yes
[01:05] <leftyfb> eggbean: if you install ubuntu, it'll probably work as it does on mine
[01:05] <leftyfb> eggbean: good luck
[01:06] <oerheks> in gnome-settings > privacy > location service it says turned off.
[01:06] <eggbean> I wanted to determine if it was a pop_os problem or ubuntu or debian
[01:07] <oerheks> hint to get it working https://askubuntu.com/questions/1273726/how-do-i-disable-the-location-in-gnome-maps
[01:09] <eggbean> oerheks: Where? I have confirmed that it is enabled
[01:10] <leftyfb> !popos | eggbean
[01:11] <leftyfb> eggbean: sorry, but popos is not supported here. It's not Ubuntu and we have no way of knowing what the differences are and how they could affect your experience
[01:12] <oerheks> i am not sure, i think i got the geo question while installing, but popos can do things different
[01:12] <oerheks> 21.04
[01:12] <eggbean> There would have been no point in doing that if the problem was upstream. Had some on launchpad say the same about a problem for some other software that did turn out to be from upstream
[01:12] <leftyfb> eggbean: install Ubuntu and we'll be happy to help. But I can probably guarantee you if you install 20.04 it'll work like it does on
[01:12] <eggbean> someone
[01:13] <leftyfb> mine
[01:13] <oerheks> good luck!
[01:13] <eggbean> leftyfb: Well that was what I was here to determine
[01:51] <guiverc> eggbean, it's working for me; reports up 1 week 2 days; but you're off-topic here
[01:52] <eggbean> okay, so I know it works in ubuntu now
[01:55] <michaelrose> Does anyone with Emacs installed want to pastebin the contents of "/usr/share/metainfo/emacs.appdata.xml"
[02:03] <matsaman> michaelrose: you can probably get that right out of the .deb at packages.ubuntu.com, deb2targz, tar -xf
[02:03] <matsaman> and y'know I'm sure there's some magic apt command to re-obtain it also
[02:14] <Trados> Good day. A newbie here. Wanted to ask if it is possible to run a command at startup on Ubuntu 20.04 prior to the binding of the gpu kernel module, whether it is nouvou or amdgpu ?
[02:18] <matsaman> possible yes, but you might have to hunt down the particulars
[02:19] <Trados> @matsaman Glad to hear. I'd appreciate any pointers and I'd go ahead and research it.
[02:19] <matsaman> Trados: what command did you have in mind?
[02:19] <oerheks> what command exactly?
[02:20] <Trados> the command is setpci
[02:20] <matsaman> to do what
[02:22] <Trados> In a nutshell, that Ubuntu machine is running as a virtual machine. the gpu is AMD and it is plagued by the reset-bug. The only way to reset it is by using setpci prior to amdgpu binding to the gpu
[02:23] <oerheks> oke, write a systemD unit, like this
[02:23] <oerheks> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/cb8kh7/setpci_across_reboot/
[02:23] <oerheks> ExecStart=/usr/bin/setpci ...
[02:23] <oerheks> writye it to /etc/systemd/system/<yourservice>
[02:24] <Trados> That is a great idea. I will test that out. Thanks oerheks
[02:24] <oerheks> enable whatever.service makes it work on boot, start whatever.service does it directly
[02:24] <oerheks> have fun!
[02:32] <Trados> I will try to run it before sysinit.target and see if that would execute setpci before the amdgpu kernel module bind to the pci device.
[02:35] <oerheks> hmm yes, if multi-user target does not work
[02:37] <oerheks> WantedBy=display-manager.service
[03:04] <Guest8483> Is this a good place for noob questions?
[03:05] <matsaman> Guest8483: sure
[03:05] <Guest8483> cool, I am having problems with my crontab and i don't know how to diagnose the issue
[03:06] <matsaman> what're you putting in cron tab?
[03:06] <Guest8483> one sec, I am making a pastebin
[03:07] <Guest8483> https://pastebin.com/UpBPCmLX
[03:08] <Guest8483> It is a miecraft server, basically, I want it to restart minecraft on reboot and doa few other tasks on a timer ... some of the stuff works, but the reboot does not
[03:09] <Guest8483> ALL of the commands work when entered manually, just not in crontab
[03:11] <Guest8483> I thought it might be a permissions issue, but adding the commands to the root crontab didn't help
[03:12] <leftyfb> Guest8483: you really should use systemd, not cron for this
[03:12] <Guest8483> OK, what is that?
[03:13] <Guest8483> and how is it differnt?
[03:13] <leftyfb> Guest8483: are you using mcrcon?
[03:13] <Guest8483> no
[03:14] <Guest8483> I am a novice
[03:15] <leftyfb> Guest8483: https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Tutorials/Server_startup_script
[03:15] <leftyfb> though, there's a LOT going on there
[03:16] <leftyfb> Guest8483: https://gist.github.com/dotStart/ea0455714a0942474635
[03:16] <Guest8483> Yeah, i am thinking that could get messed up/broken really easily
[03:16] <leftyfb> you'll need to edit this with your working directory and such
[03:17] <Guest8483> any ideas why the commands are not working in crontab?
[03:19] <leftyfb> running screen in cron is never a good idea
[03:19] <leftyfb> cron isn't the right place for this anyway, it should be a systemd service file that you can manage
[03:21] <Guest8483> I am trying to learn about linux a bit, could you tell a bit about why that is?
[03:21]  * enyc meows leftyfb Guest8483 masita
[03:22] <leftyfb> cron is really only meant for running simple scripts on a schedule. On boot is an afterthough and anything more complex than a script should be a service file
[03:22] <enyc> leftyfb: can be called from /etc/rc.local too...
[03:22] <leftyfb> cron is really only meant for running simple scripts on a schedule. On boot is an afterthough and anything more complex than a script should be a service file
[03:23] <leftyfb> enyc: yes, that's a service file, but the predecessor to systemd which is the modern version of that
[03:23] <leftyfb> that is*
[03:23] <leftyfb> was
[03:25] <SnoopJ> runcontrol-senpai
[03:25] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: ?
[03:25] <leftyfb> wrong window?
[03:26] <SnoopJ> nope
[03:26] <Guest8483> Also, how come this channel blocks VPNs ?
[03:26] <SnoopJ> that's what the rc is, innit? run control?
[03:27] <leftyfb> Guest8483: it doesn't
[03:27] <leftyfb> Guest8483: please don't PM
[03:28] <leftyfb> Guest8483: feel free to go to #libera for help with IRC
[03:28] <Guest8483> i wasn't trying to, I don't know the commands here
[03:28] <SnoopJ> Could be that your VPN is in one of the SASL-only ranges. I think that's still a thing
[07:09] <brotherBox> My initrd appears to ignore my cryptdevice=<device> instruction; any idea why that could be?
[07:50] <Guest23> base-passwd is unable to upgrade reporting 'Error writing group-entry: Invalid argument' on 21.04, any help?
[08:27] <grtestuser> clear
[09:06] <alzgh> ubuntu focal, when I set LANG env var to "es_ES.UTF-8" messages are still in English. Like messages by `ls` . What do I need to install for that?
[09:10] <dan86> alzgh: did you "sudo localctl set-locale en_US.UTF-8" ?
[09:11] <dan86> en_ES*
[09:11] <dan86> es_ES* :D ... sorry, i'm a bit hungover
[09:12] <alzgh> dan86 No, I'm trying to test it on a line as follows: `LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 ls ./tmp`
[09:12] <alzgh> This should temporarily set LANG to spanish for the following command
[09:13] <alzgh> It stayed English, so I assumed it's the fall back because I don't have Spanish.
[09:15] <dan86> so, what's your goal then?
[09:16] <alzgh> I'm learning bash, and want to check how the change of environment variables affects output.
[09:17] <alzgh> 1- setting the variable on a line before a command only has effect for that line.
[09:17] <alzgh> 2- Setting it on an independent line has effect for that session
[09:18] <alzgh> 3- exporting affects all descendant processes
[09:18] <alzgh> things like that :)
[09:24] <CyL> So, I'm willing to install Ubuntu on btrfs with full disk encryption. Is it supported out of the box?
[09:38] <alzgh> had to install language-pack-es-base
[09:42] <xb> hi##
[10:00] <tomreyn> CyL: I don't know. Personally, I would be very careful about using btrfs in any 'layered' scenario. I assume the server installer will be able to set this up for you (I don't think the desktop installer could).
[10:02] <CyL> tomreyn: what do you mean by 'layered' scenario?
[10:06] <CyL> Also, would you mind suggesting the most mature between btrfs or lvm? I have no personal preferences to this respect, I'd just like to use what is more reliable
[10:20] <tomreyn> CyL: layered as in multiple block device layers stacked up, i.e. btrfs on top of something else, such as dmcrypt-luks or software raid. but this is just me being careful, it may just be FUD.
[10:22] <tomreyn> Personally, I won't be using btrfs for any data that matters anytime soon just because of its past horror stories. This doesn't mean you cannot give it a try. If I needed a solution which provides similar to what LVM provides, I'd choose LVM.
[10:30] <CyL> tomreyn: I'd be looking more for the cow and snapshot features, but I may just as well go to the zfs side. And I could do full disk encryption using luks
[10:33] <tomreyn> CyL: if it helps: i know that ext4 on top of lvm on top of dmcrypt-luks on top of mdadm RAID-1 and -10 on top of partitions works fine.
[10:35] <CyL> tomreyn: yeah, I have done that too, and know it works quite well, but it'd still be missing snapshots
[10:36] <tomreyn> LVM can provide snapshots, though it's not the best implementation
[10:37] <CyL> tomreyn: I didn't know that. Does lvm also have send and receive features?
[10:37] <tomreyn> i.e. it works reliable within the limits of what it can do (i think those are documented)
[10:37] <tomreyn> i'm not familiar with send and receive features on a block device layer
[10:40] <tomreyn> you should probably just talk to seomeone else who is more experienced with what you're trying to do.
[10:43] <CyL> tomreyn: well, I appreciate your advice a great deal, I have been asking on #btrfs and #zfs too, people are usually very helpful, but since these are usually seen as "competing" with each other, it is hard to get unbiased info. Also there are matters of personal differences that are very difficult to judge.
[10:44] <CyL> I just want something that would work with the least effort, and allow me the flexibility all this provides.
[10:50] <tomreyn> CyL: if you need the features of zfs and are fine with the out-of-tree-ness and aware of possible opitfalls (some use cases don't work well) then use zfs. (i'd be fine to use zfs for a limited set of features on non production systems, maybe production systems, too.) if you need btrfs features and trust it enough then use that (maybe also after reviewing what is reported to work well). i would not recommend combinign either of these with other
[10:50] <tomreyn> block device layers unless it's well documented that these combinations are safe.
[10:51] <tomreyn> CyL: for everything i need stability for, i would stick to what the large distros use as defaults.
[10:52] <tomreyn> (or what their installers offer, and don't tag as "experimental")
[10:59] <TJ-> CyL: installer doesn't support it, but LUKS + btrfs is fine
[11:00] <TJ-> CyL: I'm at this moment installing a USB>GPT1/EFI-SP,USB>GPT2>LUKS1>/boot,USB>GPT3>LUKS2>LVM-VG>LVM-thinpool>LV-rootfs,LV-var,LV-home
[11:11] <henistein> Does anyone knows how to solve this problem? https://i.stack.imgur.com/9IOjz.png
[11:11] <henistein> my mic works well, but in ubuntu it is maxed with too much static noise
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> try a few tests with pavucontrol perhaps henistein
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> !info pavucontrol
[11:25] <henistein> alright I will try
[12:10] <CyL> tomreyn, TJ-: thanks fo rthe kind help and advice. I guess I'll just go with zfs. This is a production environment, but not a server. It's a ascientific workstation that will handle a lot of data, but can bear some downtime, and iso also expected to be shutdown when not in use.
[13:13] <pycode> hello
[13:13] <pycode> what is the best virtualization system to run a virtual machine with windows 10 ?
[13:15] <coconut> pycode, define "best"?
[13:17] <ravage> for me virt-manager is the "best" way to manage my VMs locally. but that really depends on your usecase
[13:17] <ravage> on a dedicated server i prefer proxmox
[13:55] <wonko[m]> For anyone who cares the solution to the BL2 issue was "reduce texture quality to medium is using the ultra HD DLC" due to newer versions of d9vk using more memory and exceeding the 32-bit address space available to the game.
[13:56] <wonko[m]>  * For anyone who cares the solution to the BL2 issue was "reduce texture quality to medium if using the ultra HD DLC" due to newer versions of d9vk using more memory and exceeding the 32-bit address space available to the game.
[14:00] <Guest9158> hi - can anyone please help me fix an issue with sound? I'm on ubuntu 20.04, I have alsa and pulseaudio and SoundBlaster 3 Play! usb. About two days ago I stopped hearing sound from my speakers.
[14:27] <amcsi> hey, if I have an ubuntu SSD drive and a windows HDD drive, and I have dual booting set up with the EFI partition being on the windows drive, and now I want to replace the windows HDD with a new SSD and install Windows on it, how to I get (dual)-booting working for my ubuntu again? the new EFI partition created by windows would only have the windows EFI bits on i
[14:27] <amcsi> t
[14:58] <tomreyn> TJ-: since you're putting /boot on LUKSv1, does grub in Ubuntu not support v2, yet? I was thinking I read a patch for v2 support had been merged into grub some years ago.
[14:59] <TJ-> tomreyn: Not yet. GRUB v2.06 has partial luks2 support /BUT/ no grub-install grub-probe support at all
[14:59] <tomreyn> oh, thanks, good to know
[14:59] <TJ-> it is also limited to pbkdf and can't use the argon algorithms
[15:00] <tomreyn> i see. well v1 for boot works well enough
[15:00] <TJ-> there's been patches waiting for over a year on the grub-devel mailing list for the initial probe support but the author isn't getting any feedback
[15:01] <tomreyn> that's in terms of code review, or testing, or both?
[15:01] <TJ-> there is also a bug in the current luks2 support - if a crypto device's hash contains a \ it is treated as an escape for the next character (this due to a bug in the JSON handling)
[15:01] <TJ-> tomreyn: both
[15:03] <TJ-> we were working on the latter JSON bug last week and Patrick finally nailed it down to the JSON handling and posted a patch to the list. We'll see how long it takes to filter through. So basically, unless you want unexpected breakage caused by any of the LUKSv2 key-slots, don't use luks2
[15:03] <tomreyn> thanks
[15:03] <TJ-> original detect support patches: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2020-05/msg00239.html
[15:04] <TJ-> JSON bug https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2021-08/msg00049.html
[15:06] <tomreyn> 🖤
[15:06] <TJ-> I've burnt myself twice today ... on USB devices!
[15:07] <tomreyn> ouch, better get some fans pointed at them. usbv3?
[15:08] <TJ-> Once on a LaCie XtremKey USB3 (all metal thankfully so had its own radiator)  I was installing Kubuntu to via VM, and again on USB3.1 external dock
[15:09] <FloofAgain> oh
[15:11] <TJ-> tomreyn: it's quite neat though, using LVM thin provisioning on USB device so despite whatever size the various file-systems are set to, extents only get allocated on use (makes splitting up with / /var/ /home/ so much easier) - kept /boot/ outside that due to GRUB maybe not liking being inside a thin pool
[15:11] <tomreyn> they can get ridiculously hot, i haven't had any plastics melting, yet, but some were too hot to touch really, even when they weren't actually doing anthing, just connected from a top usb mount, so free standing, not close to a vent
[15:12] <TJ-> It's amazing they don't literally melt or suffer thermal cracks due to expansion/contraction
[15:13] <TJ-> I'm just updating my USB Armory USB2 Secure SoC - that's easier and cooler!
[15:14] <tomreyn> it would be nice if there were also 'thin partitioning', then SSD firmwares would have more blocks to juggle around
[15:14] <ghost> I am new Here
[15:14] <tomreyn> hi ghost, welcome to Ubuntu support
[15:15] <Mekaneck> ghost: if you have a Ubuntu support question just ask, offtopic chit chat is in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:15] <ghost> ThankYou
[15:15] <Mekaneck> yw
[15:15] <ghost> but i exploring
[15:20] <grtestuser> i can chat
[15:20] <grtestuser> i can browse gnu.org
[15:21] <grtestuser> and i can look up results in google
[15:21] <tomreyn> grtestuser: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[15:21] <grtestuser> linux
[15:21] <grtestuser> isnt ubuntu?
[15:22] <tomreyn> grtestuser: ubuntu is a linux distribution, linux is not ubuntu
[15:22] <leftyfb> grtestuser: feel free to chat in #ubuntu-oftopic. This is a support channel
[15:22] <leftyfb> sorry, #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:20] <o_O> i know its possible to stream to tv's but what program or what to install because im actaully trying to do it on lubuntu? i asked in #lubuntu but no luck there
[16:22] <WaV> google chrome has the ability to do that. i would imagine Chromium does as well. VLC also has the ability. i guess it also depends on what you watch
[16:22] <ogra> and on your TV too
[16:28] <o_O> i believe its just for chromecast. what im trying to do is cast to a samsung tv with vlc or through a file manager
[16:29] <o_O> vlc has a renderer setting but it doesnt pick up any tvs
[16:34] <MrKeuner> hello, is there a demo api package that I can install on my server to provide some demo endpoints?
[16:34] <MrKeuner> In the reposirroty...
[16:35] <MrKeuner> I was looking for a quicker way than writing something like a spring-boot demo
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> o_O: you could try the screen share in ubuntu's media sharing (systemsettings)
[16:39] <o_O> lotuspsychje, hey longtime no see.. i use to go by sere.
[16:40] <o_O> lotuspsychje, i know with ubuntu i can do exactly just that and send to tv through the file manager but what im wondering is there an apt or something to install to be able to do it in lubuntu
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> good question!
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> o_O: maybe try dconf-editor and see if there's any sharing value in lubuntu, i assume for gnome its org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.sharing
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> prob specific gnome plugin
[16:49] <o_O> lotuspsychje, ok thanks alot i will check it out
[17:33] <tgarder> anyone using Pantheon with 21.04? Having some troubles with the ppa
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: we dont support external ppa's, best to contact the maintainer for those
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: or the derivative's channel you are looking for
[17:36] <tgarder> ah, makes sense :D
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: thats part of elementary right?
[17:36] <tgarder> yeah
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> not sure wich network they on tgarder sorry
[17:37] <tgarder> amazed they haven't switched to here too, I know they had a channel back on freenode. I'll just search on.
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: another idea could be installing ubuntu and tweak it the way pantheon behaves
[17:38] <tgarder> I've got ubuntu running, don't have the energy to actually try elementary OS so thought I'd give it a go by using their ppa's. But wasn't as simple as I thought it would be :D
[17:39] <tgarder> what would life be if you don't change up your desktop environment every 7 minutes
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: or install virtualbox on ubuntu, and give your test distro's a try there
[17:39] <tgarder> yeah that's a good alternative
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: think 'plank' dock can be installed on ubuntu
[17:41] <tgarder> I don't think it supports wayland, not even sure pantheon does that now that I think about it
[17:42] <tgarder> Running ubuntu on a surface laptop 3, wayland has been way better for it than X... something with fractional scaling and the weird hidpi display with 3:2 ratio
[17:42] <tgarder> so so far gnome has been super nice. I just think it's fun to tinker around.
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: https://ubunlog.com/en/plank-installation-configuration-of-this-simple-dock/
[17:44] <tgarder> ah yeah, "Only X11 environments are supported"
[17:44] <tgarder> But thanks though
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: bug #1632841
[17:54] <tgarder> I just gotta say, it feels like pure and glorious blasphemy to run linux on a surface laptop. And it's so good. (Bonus: I will forever miss the alcantara fabric on the keyboard whenever I go back to a bare metal laptop again)
[19:04] <shailangsa> does anybody know why a jnlp java applet file used as a remote desktop client is unable to run https://pastebin.com/HcGcMFvA ?
[19:11] <tomreyn> "Headless check failed. You are forced to run without any graphics. IcedTea-Web can run like this, but your app probably not. This is likely bug in your system."
[19:11] <tomreyn> -> "No X11 DISPLAY variable was set, but this program performed an operation which requires it."
[19:23] <shailangsa> what is that?
[19:23] <tomreyn> quotes from what you posted to pastebin.com. did you read it?
[19:24] <shailangsa> yes, i checked enable x11 forwarding in putty but tht doesnt help, not sure why the error is occuring
[19:25] <matsaman> shailangsa: and did you try providing the variable?
[19:29] <shailangsa> running export DISPLAY=:0 solved it
[19:31] <matsaman> imagine that
[19:31] <matsaman> =P
[19:39] <shailangsa> ?
[19:46] <matsaman> glad you got it working
[19:56] <RedHead> sorry for the noob question: are all the packages that I can download with "apt" is safe? they are coming from ubuntu officialy?
[19:57] <SnoopJ> RedHead, not all of them, no. Ones that come from official ubuntu repositories (the things your system shipped with) should be fine, but they aren't rigorously examined for this property either.
[19:58] <SnoopJ> If you add repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list, there's no telling what's on the other end of the URLs you add, so be careful about doing this if you ever do.
[19:59] <RedHead> there are only *.ubuntu.com *.canonical.com in this file
[19:59] <SnoopJ> right, so those are official
[19:59] <SnoopJ> it is possible to configure apt to look other places that have non-official files, is my point
[20:00] <RedHead> so in my current situation, it's safe to "apt" packages?
[20:00] <RedHead> thanks :)
[20:00] <SnoopJ> probably. Like I said, they aren't rigorously examined, so you get no guarantee of safety, but the official repositories are good
[20:01] <SnoopJ> they have certainly shipped software with security vulnerabilities and will certainly do it again, but this is what updates are for :)
[20:01] <RedHead> yes but nothing completely safe in the world i know :)
[20:03] <SnoopJ> so it is
[20:04] <RedHead> thanks SnoopJ you helped a lot
[20:06] <user__> hello
[20:06] <RedHead> hey
[21:23] <Gaboradon> Hello
[21:23] <Gaboradon> Muon Package Manager has done a "Full Upgrade" mistakenly, anyway to revert ?
[21:24] <Gaboradon> I clicked it by mistake and then hit the BACK key, but the stupid thing staged updates and what the heck it did and then it installed that along with what I was trying to install
[21:24] <Gaboradon> I did not want to update over some of the programs, I need to revert one of the packages immediately
[21:31] <EriC^^> Gaboradon: you could try to remove it and run sudo apt-get install <package>=<old version>
[21:32] <Gaboradon> Thing is, I don't exactly remember what version was the old one, I hoped Muon has some history / cache
[21:35] <EriC^^> Gaboradon: /var/log/apt/history.log and other files there might have what was latest installed
[21:36] <EriC^^> possibly /var/log/apt/terminal.log
[21:36] <EriC^^> *term.log
[21:43] <EriC^^> Gaboradon: try grep -A10 <package name> /var/lib/dpkg/status-old
[21:44] <Gaboradon> Yeah, thanks, indeed, I see the history where I installed it first back in 2020
[22:00] <yarddogg> 18:00
[22:05] <pycurious> natls -lm ==> outputs nothing on my /tmp - any ideas why?
[22:13] <oerheks> i understand now that natls is a snap package, but the -lm part is not really documented?
[22:13] <oerheks> if so, what should it do?
[22:21] <rfm> the natls snap seems to be very confined, I'm seeing all sorts of strange behavior when attempting to look at stuff outside /home
[22:22] <rfm> sometimes accompanied by apparmor messages in syslog, sometimes not
[22:22] <oerheks> software> installed > natls > permissions
[22:22] <oerheks> that would be the obvious place to check


[14:29] <dx_kid> can anyone answer my question about java classpath ?
[14:35] <persia> The key to getting an answer is to ask a question :)


[07:54] <Guido1> Since the last time I used WiFi I had some crashes, boot repairs and updates. Now Xubuntu says that the WiFi adappter is not ready. It is a dual boot with Windows 10. How can I solve it?
[07:56] <moetunes> !wifi
[08:05] <Guido1> moetunes: Looks liek i should follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WirelessTroubleshootingProcedure . Step 2 and 6 results in https://paste.ubuntu.com/24830584/
[08:06] <moetunes> give it a try
[08:07] <Guido1> What have I to do now?
[08:10] <moetunes> rfkill shows it's not blocked
[08:10] <Guido1> moetunes: What do i have to do after the comment on the page?
[08:11] <Guido1> If I switch WiFii on, it says "apparaat not ready"
[08:13] <Guido1> moetunes: it worked a while ago. So maybe something got broken. (If i boot into windows, wifi works)
[08:14] <moetunes> there doesn't seem to be many people having issues with that wifi device
[08:17] <diogenes_> Guido1, you can try: sudo service network-manager restart
[08:19] <moetunes> post 12 here might be the one https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2082305&page=2&s=6dd2ef534e690da83541250dd44ae50c
[10:17] <Guido1> Hello, when I start seamonkey, I can use it, but it seams not to close probaply. So at a restart of the system I get initromfs. Also I can't open another internet program as linux thinks it's seamonkey. Libre office doesn't show up by starting. trying to start it blocks a later start from seamonkey. after a reeboot i get initromfs. What can i do?
[14:08] <juliank> Hey, we installed 16.04.2 here and were wondering how to not immediately turn the screen off after locking?
[14:18] <diogenes_> juliank, install dconf-tools and dconf-editor
[14:23] <juliank> diogenes_: And what would I set in dconf?
[14:25] <diogenes_> juliank, go to org > xfce > power management
[14:25] <diogenes_> and there you will find much more power settings than in the default manager
[14:26] <juliank> diogenes_: The only stuff in org > xfce is is "mousepad"
[14:28] <diogenes_> juliank, then search for power
[14:29] <juliank> diogenes_: Apparently the settings are stored in .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml
[14:29] <juliank> and /xfce4-power-manager.xml
[14:29] <juliank> Or not, not sure?
[14:30] <juliank> In any case, not in dconf
[14:31] <juliank> But I'm not sure how that would solve the problem anyway, AFAIUI the lock screen is handled by lightdm
[14:31] <juliank> (and not as user)
[15:29] <xtuber> hi all. I have the xubuntu 17.04 and I have a computer monitor with sound speakers. I want to tune the Volume Control for streaming all sound stream with hdmi of my monitor
[15:29] <xtuber> how can I do this?
[15:46] <diogenes_> xtuber, sudo apt install pavucontrol
[15:48] <xtuber> Reading package lists... Done
[15:48] <xtuber> Building dependency tree
[15:48] <xtuber> Reading state information... Done
[15:48] <xtuber> pavucontrol is already the newest version (3.0-3build1).
[15:48] <xtuber> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[15:48] <xtuber>   linux-headers-4.10.0-19 linux-headers-4.10.0-19-generic
[15:49] <diogenes_> xtuber, run in terminal: pavucontrol
[15:51] <xtuber> I did it. Here has open the Sound Control. In it I should to tune each program to out its sound from hdmi
[15:53] <xtuber> but I installed the stardict and it by default speaks out words with built-in out
[15:53] <diogenes_> xtuber, go to configuration section
[15:54] <diogenes_> there you choose the profile you want like hdmi+analog
[15:54] <diogenes_> hdmi only
[15:56] <xtuber> I have't here "hdmi only". I set up "built-in - off"
[16:03] <xtuber> diogenes_, after it my stardict has some sound but it not words
[16:07] <diogenes_> xtuber, I don't use hdmi so no huge experience with it
[16:09] <xtuber> diogenes_, thanks
[16:30] <xtuber> anybody use the Stardict here?
[17:22] <kaosu> Could a few people on Xubuntu 17.04 tell me the output for sha1sum /usr/sbin/tcpd ? I want to verify that chkrootkit is falsely identifying it as infected.
[23:07] <EDinNY> What gui program allows me to balance right and left sound?
[23:58] <redblade7> EDinNY: pulseaudio mixer?
[23:58] <redblade7> no
[23:58] <sinewav> EDinNY: try alsamixergui
[23:58] <redblade7> pavucontrol
[23:58] <redblade7> that's what i meant
[23:58] <redblade7> "pulseaudio volume control"
[23:59] <redblade7> it also gives you access to stereo mix
[23:59] <redblade7> and the ability to mute certain programs


[05:16] <_Andrew> Has anyone found any information on setting up launchpad in a production environment?
[05:21] <_Andrew> I would like try and set it up internally for our office however I noticed that it's geared up for just hacking on launchpad.net so I was wondering if someone out there had made a guide to set it up differently or if there was a different branch
[05:34] <wgrant> _Andrew: Note that the images cannot be used except for development and testing.
[05:34] <wgrant> Neither can the name.
[05:35] <_Andrew> Yes, I read that the code launchpad is setup primarily for working on launchpad.net
[05:36] <_Andrew> I was wondering if anyone had already made a branch of this and removed the launchpad.net specific stuff
[05:36] <wgrant> I don't know of one.
[05:36] <_Andrew> ah ok


[01:33] <axw> hml: woot :)
[01:34] <hml> very happy!
[03:20] <axw> wallyworld thumper: I've been through the sizings again. question mark on update-status, needs some spec to figure out what a decent approach is. other than that, I think wallyworld's numbers are fine, but I bumped a few up
[03:21] <thumper> axw: thanks
[03:21] <wallyworld> +1
[03:29] <anastasiamac> axw: fwiw, we had put some details in our sizing with jam... did u see these?
[03:29] <axw> anastasiamac: yes, thanks
[03:29] <anastasiamac> \o/
[04:00] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ping?
[04:05] <wallyworld> hey
[04:06] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: pong
[04:13] <babbageclunk> doh, didn't get a notification for some reason
[04:13] <wallyworld> that happens to me too
[04:13] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: sorry ^. I'm having to hack no-neutron support into the test doubles in goose.
[04:13] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: is this worthwhile?
[04:14] <wallyworld> hmmm. there's no easier way?
[04:14] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: thought I'd check before I got too far down the rabbit hole.
[04:15] <wallyworld> we can't use a monkey patch to simulate lack of neatron?
[04:15] <babbageclunk> Hmm. Maybe by registering a control point for authorisation to chop it out?
[04:15] <babbageclunk> I'll try that
[04:16] <babbageclunk> hang on
[04:16] <wallyworld> yeah that
[04:17] <wallyworld> or return an error that triggers the switch to nova in juju
[04:17] <wallyworld> via the control point mechanism
[04:41] <wallyworld> jam: hey, i'd like to land that network-get PR. are you able to +1?
[04:46] <jam> wallyworld: so the *big* point is that I don't think creating a "public" space is really going to do what you think it will in 2.3
[04:47] <jam> now, whether its still the best compromise that we can think of. I was hoping wpk would give it a look, but it seems he was overloaded with other things yesterday.
[04:47] <jam> I'll check in again with him in about 10 min
[04:47] <jam> I'll give the code a look as well.
[04:48] <wallyworld> ok. i'm not sure why you think creating a space containing subnets from which a public address may be selected won't work. bear in mind though that is optional - just don't bind to anything if you want juju to choose a public address if one is available
[04:48] <wallyworld> you bind the endpoint to a space if you *don't* want a public address to be used
[04:49] <wallyworld> so the user has control of how their offer is consumed
[04:49] <jam> wallyworld: if you don't bind at all, then you can't select a subnet
[04:49] <jam> You might have carved several subnets that don't have public access because you want them to be for your database
[04:50] <jam> so you need other subnets that *do* have public access, and thus you want to *select* them so you don't accidentally provision in the ones that don't have public
[04:53] <jam> that doesn't mean your patch can't land, but it is a discrepancy between what we want to have and what we currently have
[05:39] <axw> wallyworld: FYI, I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1724673
[05:39] <mup> Bug #1724673: unable to destroy-model with offer in it <cross-model> <juju:In Progress by axwalk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724673>
[05:40] <wallyworld> jam: if you don't bind, juju will try and select the machine public address to set as the ingress address. if you want to control what address juju uses, bind to a space
[05:40] <wallyworld> ie you need to decide an an offerer if you want your offer to be public or not
[05:43] <wallyworld> axw: awesome, thanks for picking up that bug
[05:45] <jam> wallyworld: my point is, if I have created 2 subnets on AWS, one that has public internet and one that doesn't. if I don't bind *at all* then Juju randomly selects which subnet it will use
[05:45] <jam> and *might* pick the one that has a public address, so that I can create a public offer
[05:45] <jam> or might not
[05:46] <wallyworld> jam: no it won't it will use the public address
[05:46] <jam> wallyworld: if you deploy to subnet-b *it has not public address*
[05:46] <wallyworld> it calls machine.PublicAddress()
[05:46] <jam> wallyworld: AWS Subnets can have a "create public address" flag
[05:46] <wallyworld> right but using spaces and hence subnets is your choice
[05:46] <jam> wallyworld: so if you can't bind, then you can't say "Make sure to use these subnets that have public addresses"
[05:47] <wallyworld> i'm missing something it seems - i thought in aws, gce etc - all machines got  apublic address
[05:47] <wallyworld> and m.PublicAddress() would return that
[05:47] <wallyworld> and that's what we use in the absense of a binding
[05:48] <jam> wallyworld: see above. There is a flag on a subnet that says "should machines in this subnet get a public address"
[05:48] <jam> you can set that to false
[05:48] <jam> which is what you *want* for your Database
[05:48] <jam> because PCI says that database machines can't have public ingress
[05:48] <wallyworld> not if you are offering it for public consumption
[05:48] <jam> wallyworld: and yes, I don't want to make my db public
[05:48] <jam> but I want my website public
[05:48] <jam> and I can't have it use the database subnet
[05:49] <jam> so I want to select the subnet that has public addresses associated with it
[05:49] <wallyworld> so you can do that just fine
[05:49] <jam> wallyworld: how do I tell it not to use the database subnet without binding?
[05:49] <wallyworld> bind the website endpoint to a space with public addresses and the website db endpoint to a different space
[05:50] <wallyworld> or just bind the db endpoint
[05:50] <jam> wallyworld: you just said that if I bind it to the space that includes the subnet that has public addresses it will get the locally bound subnet address
[05:50] <jam> I have the interview in 10, so I have to go prep, but I'll chat with you about this after
[05:50] <wallyworld> ok, sounds good, i think we are at cross purposes
[05:50] <jam> wpk was oversleeping, so I'll try to get his attention later as well
[05:50] <wallyworld> ok
[07:21] <wallyworld> axw: i think ChangeIngressRules() in sshInstanceConfigurator is wrong? the param should be -A and not -I ?
[07:21] <wallyworld> when i try with -I it fails, but -A works fine
[07:32] <wpk> you mean iptables -I fails?
[07:38] <axw> wallyworld: sorry gotta take charlotte to ballet, I can take a look when I get back. that thing is an abomination
[07:47] <wallyworld> wpk: yeah, but -A works, eg sudo iptables -d <IP_ADDRESS> -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 8 -j ACCEPT
[07:47] <wallyworld> that works but -I doesn't
[07:48] <wpk> whaaa?
[07:48] <wpk> works for me
[07:48] <wallyworld> hmmm
[07:48] <wpk> how it fails?
[07:48] <wallyworld> i sshed into an aws instance and confirmed there also
[07:49] <wallyworld> wpk: wtf, i just tried it again and it worked
[07:50] <wallyworld> last time i got an error message about chained rules or something
[07:50] <wallyworld> nfi
[07:51] <wpk> wallyworld: It got scared that I'll start to debug it. It's called respect.
[07:51] <wallyworld> lol
[09:50] <wallyworld> wpk: if you had time for a smallish review at some stage, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7969
[09:54] <wpk> I'd call it icmp-ping
[09:55] <wallyworld> the sec group calls it just icmp
[09:55] <wallyworld> a single word is better IMO
[09:55] <wallyworld> it's also icmp in iptables
[09:55] <wallyworld> easier to type udp or tcp or icmp
[09:56] <wpk> it's icmp type 8
[09:56] <wpk> (in iptables)
[09:57] <wallyworld> ACCEPT     icmp --  <IP_ADDRESS>/0            <IP_ADDRESS>     icmptype 8
[09:57] <wallyworld> the prot column is icmp
[09:57] <wpk> but there's icmptype 8
[09:58] <wallyworld> but that's not in the prot column
[09:58] <wpk> you're not accepting any icmp, just type 8 (echo)
[09:58] <wallyworld> the type is not specified in the sec groiup is it?
[09:59] <wallyworld> that example was just for iptables, when you open an ip rule in a sec group you just say icmp
[10:00] <wallyworld> the iptables list has these headers: target     prot opt source               destination
[10:00] <wallyworld> the prot values are "icmp" or "tcp" or "udp"
[10:01] <wallyworld> and that's what we specify for IpPerm in aws for example also
[10:01] <wallyworld> we don't specify the sub type
[10:02] <wpk> But just like you're opening a port in tcp/udp here you're saying you're opening "icmp" and only opening one type of it(echo). I'm being pesky, I know....
[10:02] <wpk> but LGTM
[10:03] <wpk> (just there might be someone who'll say that he wanted to open ICMP and only got pings :)
[10:05] <wallyworld> wpk: but we don't specify that we're just opening one type for clouds. the only place we do that is that stupid configurator. i guess i could remove the type from there
[10:05] <wpk> I wonder how it works on AWS. Anyway, as above - LGTM as is.
[10:06] <wallyworld> ok, ty
[10:12] <babbageclunk> jam: could you take another look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7962 plz?
[10:24] <axw> wallyworld: my PR has a bug in it, but highlighted an issue with the relation counting in applicationOffers.Remove. it's possible for a relation to a non-remote application to be removed, and replaced with one to a remote application, and the offer would still be removed
[10:24] <axw> would/could
[10:25] <wallyworld> oh oops
[10:25] <axw> wallyworld: I've just pushed, see state/applicationoffers.go for my TODO(axw)
[10:26] <axw> I'll take a look at fixing that tomorrow
[10:27] <wallyworld> ty, luckily we shouldn't have people hitting this yet
[10:28] <wallyworld> jam: not sure if you saw my last comment on the pr. if we can accept the current behaviour, i'd like to land it tonight so it makes beta2
[10:28] <wallyworld> without the pr, things are sub optimal in a different way - i believe the pr makes things better for more cases we care about
[10:29] <wallyworld> you either want your db publiclly available as an offer or you don't - we support that scenario fine
[10:30] <wpk> damn, I hate fixing tests in state/..
[10:31] <wallyworld> don't we all :-)
[12:51] <jam> so who wants to be a review buddy for mgopurge: https://github.com/juju/mgopurge/pull/22/files
[12:51] <jam> that one is fairly straightforward, at least
[12:52] <wallyworld> jam: lgtm
[12:53] <wallyworld> jam: did you get to ask for a 2nd opinion on the network-get PR?
[12:54] <wallyworld> running out of time to land for beta2
[12:54] <jam> I did, though it seems he hasn't gotten to that, ran into other bugs.
[12:54] <wpk> wallyworld: LGTM for now
[12:54] <wallyworld> ty, we can iterate
[12:54] <wallyworld> i do believe it's a step forward
[12:55] <wallyworld> not perfect yet
[12:55] <wallyworld> i did get the nagios stuff all working today though
[12:57] <jam> wallyworld: is it possible to check if there is a public address corresponding to a given space, rather than just whether there is a binding, or we just don't have that information
[12:57] <jam> we probably don't track a link anyway
[12:57] <jam> anywhere
[12:58] <wallyworld> jam: yeah, we don't model that IIANM
[13:00] <jam> I, Ian, Man ? :)
[13:01] <wpk> jam: Someone recently used 'OIC', I had to look it up in Acronym Finder. The first answer does not seem to be correct...
[13:04] <jam> O I C, yeah
[13:05] <wallyworld> If I Am Not Mistaken
[13:05] <wallyworld> :-)
[13:05] <jam> wallyworld: yeah, I figured it out, I just figured I'd play with it.
[13:05] <jam> its not one I use regularly
[13:05] <jam> IIRC is usually what I use there
[13:09] <wallyworld> wpk: so you ok for me to merge?
[13:13] <jam> looking over it now, myself
[13:16] <wallyworld> ok, ta
[13:16] <jam> wallyworld: I had one comment on it, where you took out a fallback to unit.PrivateAddress() if len(NetworkInfo) == 0
[13:19] <jam> wallyworld: aside from the fallback issue, I think lgtm
[13:20] <wallyworld> jam: ty, i'm rereading the code, but it was intentional as it wasn't needed in that place anymore
[13:24] <jam> k
[13:24] <wallyworld> jam: we now rely on the behaviour in GetNetworkInfoForSpaces(0 to "Do The Right Thing" with regard to populating the bind addresses.
[13:25] <wallyworld> the ingress address still falls back to using private addressfor the default space if it's cross model
[13:25] <wallyworld> and if not, we select the first bind address
[13:32] <jam> babbageclunk: reviewed
[22:31] <wallyworld> externalreality_: i have 10 mins now if you want to chat


[00:10] <balloons> Nothing_Much, yes
[01:12] <Nothing_Much> balloons: nice
[05:07] <pitti> Godo morning
[11:30] <pgb> import patternbook failed, any ideas?
[13:29] <netlar> I want to contribute my time , how can I help?
[13:31] <elfy> hi netlar depends what you can and want to do :) have a look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam
[13:33] <netlar> Well at first maybe just help with documentation or doc review, maybe later with bug squashing
[13:33] <netlar> I have subscibed to the mailing list already, but just not sure how to get involved
[13:37] <netlar> Hello?
[13:55] <elfy> netlar: sorry - am about but was afk
[13:55] <balloons> netlar, howdy
[13:55] <elfy> I don't have anything to do with any of those things - just testing
[13:56] <elfy> slickymasterWork might be able to point you in the right docs directions
[13:58] <elfy> hi balloons
[13:59] <netlar> balloons: Hi
[14:00] <netlar> elfy: Well I am loading the test enviroment now, going to see about testing
[14:00] <netlar> Just heard there is document writers needed too
[14:02] <elfy> netlar: I'd not really know what docs needs - other than like any other part of the community effort it needs people :)
[14:03] <netlar> Just thought I would start here, maybe save some time poking around in the dark
[14:05] <elfy> netlar: lol - there is that, if you want really specific pointers as to what you could do - then I am going to say testing packages and images for Xubuntu :)
[14:06] <netlar> elfy: I am loading the test drive iso as we speak
[14:07] <elfy> I never use it tbh - I just roll my own vbox installs
[14:08] <netlar> I was not sure where to begin, just saw that on the community page
[14:08] <elfy> if you are used to using virtual machines - you're probably going to be better just doing that
[14:08] <elfy> yep - understood :)
[14:09] <netlar> This test drive seems cool, it loads the latest build on the virtual machine and can be done everyday that way. I will see how that works
[14:09] <elfy> does it - no idea :)
[14:10] <elfy> I'm just editing that wiki page actually - it just points at Ubuntu images - there are a whole bunch of other flavours that would love to get help
[14:10] <netlar> How are you editing the wiki?
[14:11] <elfy> logged in
[14:11] <elfy> you will need to get a login, for more or less everything in the *buntu world
[14:12] <netlar> I have an UbuntuOne login already, do I need multiple logins?
[14:12] <elfy> nope - that one will do :)
[14:13] <netlar> cool
[14:20] <elfy> wiki has 4 main flavours now
[14:20] <netlar> How often do you edit it?
[14:20] <elfy> well I edit pages that need editing when I see them
[14:21] <elfy> I don't go out of my way to find them though
[14:21] <netlar> Can you give me an example? Just trying to get a point of reference
[14:21] <elfy> not sure I follow you with that
[14:22] <netlar> LIke something you have edited recently
[14:22] <elfy> of how I edited it?
[14:23] <netlar> no, more of what type of thing you found wrong
[14:23] <elfy> oic - well on looking at it I saw that it pointed at Ubuntu images for testing
[14:23] <elfy> as the Xubuntu QA Lead, that struck me as really really bad :)
[14:24] <netlar> cool
[14:24] <elfy> so I added Xubuntu images in - and because I try to be fair - I also added Kubuntu, Lubuntu and UbuntuGnome :)
[14:24] <elfy> what you'll find is that *this* channel is quality in general - but majority is aimed at Ubuntu
[14:25] <netlar> I am on Ubuntu Unity myself
[14:25] <elfy> you'll also find people like me in here - desperate to get help for their own particular flavour ;)
[14:25] <elfy> I tend to only run Ubuntu if I'm tracking down a bug that Xubuntu has got - to see if it's common
[14:26] <netlar> Makes sense
[14:26] <netlar> Just to let you know, that test drive thing did not work :(
[14:27] <elfy> have you run a virtual machine before?
[14:27] <netlar> Yep
[14:28] <netlar> Never had any problems loading an iso before
[14:28] <elfy> right - then I use the oracle vbox - create a vm for what I'm testing and then use that
[14:28] <netlar> VBOX is my choice too
[14:28] <elfy> the iso that testdrive downloaded will be in ~/.cache/testdrive/iso
[14:28] <elfy> you can point vbox at that
[14:29] <netlar> Great, think I will do that instead, I just tried it from the test drive app
[14:29] <elfy> I have a folder I put iso's in - then I zsync against *today's* iso the next time - so I just grab a partial amount of the iso
[14:30] <netlar> zsync?
[14:30] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage
[14:30] <netlar> wow great
[14:31] <elfy> say tomorrow you want to look again - check the download page for current and there is a zsync listing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds/78735/downloads
[14:31] <elfy> use that in the same place your existing iso is
[14:32] <netlar> Just overwrite it
[14:32] <elfy> for me today against my xubuntu image I get Read utopic-desktop-amd64.iso. Target 82.3% complete.
[14:32] <elfy> so yes - it then overwrites the existing and then saves the original as .iso.zs-old
[14:33] <elfy> if you're on slow connection only needing to grab 18% is a useful thing :)
[14:33] <netlar> Good
[14:34] <netlar> More important for me, not use too much data, my provider has a cap
[14:34] <elfy> yep - very useful then :)
[14:35] <netlar> At this point I am a 50/50 guy
[14:35] <netlar> I appreciate the command line
[14:36] <netlar> But I am a gui guy too, how I started out in computers
[14:36] <elfy> I use it if it's quicker for me
[14:36] <elfy> or if it's quicker to help someone :)
[14:37] <elfy> I can help someone with apt, or Xubuntu GUI - wouldn't have a clue what other DE's have to use
[14:37] <netlar> Very true, the gui side would be hard to know where to go in the different flavors
[14:37] <netlar> cli would be much easier
[14:38] <elfy> yea
[14:39] <elfy> and frankly imo impoirtant for people to at least know how even if they don't use cli - if they can use it and something like nano - having to drop to recovery mode is easier
[14:41] <netlar> Yes
[14:41] <netlar> But I need to say, if my wife was told to do that, she would just go to best buy and buy a windows machine the next day :)
[14:42] <elfy> :)
[14:42] <elfy> and if that broke? ;)
[14:43] <elfy> horses for courses - use what works
[14:43] <netlar> Probably just let it sit in corner broken
[14:43] <elfy> lol
[14:45] <netlar> That is why we have a mac
[14:46] <elfy> ha
[14:49] <netlar> Well thanks for the info, I will be back
[16:29] <elopio> om26er: can you please follow up https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/camera-app/lp1366825_fix_zoom until it lands?
[16:30] <om26er> elopio, oh, crap. I failed to track it. On it
[16:30] <elopio> thanks.
[16:30] <om26er> elopio, did you write the test code for the camera-app in the past ?
[16:31] <om26er> I found that the failure that we are seeing is because sometimes the test clicks on the wrong icon, it is supposed to click on torch icon, it rather clicks on location icon.
[16:31] <elopio> om26er: no. I once tried to move it to py3, but I think somebody else's branch landed for that.
[16:32] <om26er> ah.
[16:33] <om26er> elopio, do you have a clue on how to add objectName here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/trunk/view/head:/OptionsOverlay.qml#L41 ?
[16:37] <elopio> om26er: can't you just put it inside the OptionButton?
[16:38] <om26er> elopio, I tried that it didn;t work, now I am looking at something similar perhaps I will try to make a similar solution here. Will let you know
[16:40] <elopio> ok. If you need a hand, Kaleo I think it's the camera dev.


[08:07] <davmor2> infinity, jibel: no netboot on 14.04.5
[08:08] <jibel> davmor2, in the tracker?
[08:08] <davmor2> jibel: yeap
[08:10] <highvoltage> Edubuntu 14.04.5 LTS version 20160802 testing completed and marking as ready.
[08:11] <tjaalton> where does i965-va-driver get it's Section? it shows universe/oldlibs, while the package source has Section: video
[08:34] <apw> tjaalton, if it is genuinly not from the package, then it may have overrides in te archive
[08:35] <tjaalton> apw: yeah..
[08:35] <tjaalton> guess I can add ubuntu-archive to the bug
[08:35] <tjaalton> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/1603199
[11:00] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept libtest2-suite-perl, this way I can make also libgraphviz-perl migrate
[14:00] <LocutusOfBorg> will trusty receive any lts-yakkety stack?
[14:02] <LocutusOfBorg> in case, please reject https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue  virtualbox-lts-yakkety (source)
[14:02] <LocutusOfBorg> I followed the advice "upload and we accept when the stack is uploaded", but I didn't check if the stack was on the todo
[14:03] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, it will in time, but that is not ready yet for sure
[14:05] <LocutusOfBorg> ok, so lets leave it in the queue
[14:05] <LocutusOfBorg> and accept when the other stuff is ready
[14:05] <LocutusOfBorg> so I don't have complainst about "hey vbox is not installable"
[14:11] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg: no, trusty won't
[14:12] <Sarvatt> no it wont get a lts-yakkety release, it stops at the next lts (xenial)
[14:12] <LocutusOfBorg> because no more point releases, right?
[14:14] <tjaalton> because there is xenial
[14:15] <LocutusOfBorg> so, please reject virtualbox-lts-yakkety from trusty queue
[14:15] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, ^^ :)
[14:16] <tjaalton> done
[14:17] <LocutusOfBorg> <3
[14:55] <apw> oh yeah, derp
[15:03] <slangasek> so, why has the iso tracker just (yesterday) added tags to a bunch of ancient bugs?
[15:04] <slangasek> seem to all be from tests done in 2012, so looks like they can be ignored
[15:21] <dmj_s76> infinity: Any progress on the Nvidia front?
[15:22] <rbasak> infinity: looks like the Ubuntu server 14.04.5 test URLs from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/365/builds/127727/downloads are wrong, and need "trusty/" inserted after "daily/".
[15:22] <rbasak> powersj: ^
[15:24] <powersj> rbasak, after or before daily?
[15:24] <rbasak> Oh sorry, before.
[16:33] <yofel> what would be an easy way to force-badtest all kde packages in proposed? like, permanently? Some tests are known-broken, some tests are regularly building with unsupported package combinations, or different versions across architectures, ...
[16:35] <yofel> or please at least badtest kwin marble kde-cli-tools libkscreen kdepim-runtime kxmlgui extra-cmake-modules kconfigwidgets okteta akonadi-search kidentitymanagement kdelibs4support kwayland libkscreen
[16:35] <yofel> so that qt 5.6 isn't stuck on kde
[16:39] <Mirv> release team ^ ok from my side too, plus add to the list: kde-baseapps
[16:40] <Mirv> unity8 fix should land soon so tomorrow we could see if we could get the migration to happen
[16:43] <infinity> yofel: What's the point of having tests if none of them work? :/
[16:44] <infinity> yofel: And "unsupported package combinations" shouldn't happen.  If it can happen in testing, it can happen for users too.  ie: your dependencies are wrong.
[16:46] <infinity> tjaalton: Did you and tseliot get a chance to look at the nvidia issues?
[16:50] <dmj_s76> I can confirm that the initramfs-tools related nvme bug is fixed in the latest iso, and the nvidia login-loop issue remains.
[16:51] <infinity> dmj_s76: The other nvme bug should be fixed too (the ubiquity one).
[16:53] <dmj_s76> infinity: I'll put one of the nvme drives in a bios machine and let you know the results
[16:53] <yofel> infinity: it's not that none work, but some don't and some testbeds are broken (we mostly got the autopkgtest stuff from debian and don't know what to do with it)
[16:53] <yofel> infinity: after a closer look the package versions are actually ~ok this time - at least inside a package set, but I still see tests where some architectures build for a new version, and some for the old one, which makes all latter architectures useless to me
[16:53] <yofel> and then there's the tests that run on architectures that I cannot even debug even if I wanted...
[16:56] <yofel> it's not that I consider the tests a bad thing, but they're kind of in the way if there's nobody that will fix them
[16:59] <jbicha> speaking of unusual combinations from autopkgtest, there's bug 1606983
[17:01] <infinity> Weird.  pitti may have been playing.
[17:07] <Mirv> yeah Kubuntu has huge amount of tests but if they don't have people to fix the inherited-from-Debian tests, they should be overridden if casual look at them and manual testing doesn't reveal any functionality problems in the said packages (and that has been done)
[17:07] <Mirv> this time around there is actually less failing autopkgtests that than in some previous releases
[17:08] <infinity> We've had (nearly) all of them passing in the past, which is why britney's upset now.
[17:08] <infinity> It only blocks on regressions.
[17:08] <infinity> But I'll look a bit later.
[17:18] <dmj_s76> infinity: cyphermox: I can confirm that nvme installs now work in bios mode using default partitioning!
[17:19] <dmj_s76> tested on latest 14.04.5 iso
[17:41] <tjaalton> infinity: tseliot is looking into it
[17:43] <infinity> tjaalton: Kay.  Time's a factor. :)
[17:43] <infinity> tjaalton: (I can delay the point release for this if I have to, but I'd prefer not to)
[17:47] <tjaalton> yeah he knows
[18:57] <slangasek> infinity: do you suppose it's a bug that we have /var/log/apt/history.log in the liveCD's squashfs?
[18:58] <slangasek> (it does happen to have ultimately come in handy for identifying the install media used in a number of bug reports against shim-signed, where the rest of the data included was lacking...)
[19:01] <infinity> slangasek: It's perhaps an itty bitty bit of wasted space, but I'm not sure I'd see it as a bug.  As you say, it's (very) occasionally useful for debugging, and it'll get rotated into oblivion on an installed system.
[19:01] <infinity> slangasek: Call it an accidental feature? :P
[19:02] <slangasek> infinity: well, I would prefer bug reports that actually show me the version of the install media, instead of having to reverse-engineer this based on dates in that log :)
[19:13] <infinity> slangasek: Do they not generally include that?  apport ones, that is.
[19:15] <infinity> slangasek: Anyhow, I have no strong feeling either way.  It's technically a live-build bug any time it leaves cruft behind that isn't needed for the live or target system, but I also don't have the patience to hunt down every 3k file that we've missed.  Feel free to fix it if you want. :)
[19:16] <slangasek> infinity: they're meant to, but at least for some of these bugs where the install itself is failing (so, before installer logs are copied over), seems not
[19:17] <slangasek> bdmurray: ^^ do you know if apport is meant to know how to report the install image version in a case of a package installation failure before the install is done (e.g., bootloader)?
[19:18] <infinity> It certainly could, if it doesn't currently.
[19:19] <slangasek> at a random guess, the apport that triggers is in the context of the target chroot, so doesn't see the install media at all at that point?
[19:19] <infinity> I wouldn't think so.
[19:19] <slangasek> no?
[19:20] <slangasek> it's not a kernel crash handle
[19:20] <infinity> Oh, maybe.  I'm not sure how segv handlers resolve in that context.
[19:20] <slangasek> it's a dpkg package handle
[19:20] <infinity> Oh.
[19:20] <infinity> Then perhaps it would be the chroot one.
[19:20] <infinity> In which case, the fix would be for us to copy the media info immediately after copying the squashfs.
[19:20] <infinity> Rather than at the end, with the logs.
[19:22]  * slangasek nods
[19:23] <infinity> (does it annoy anyone else that, in the context of storage, "media" has become both plural and singular?)
[19:23] <infinity> We should copy the MEDIUM info right after the squashfs. :P
[19:24] <slangasek> it doesn't bother me at all, because I don't recognize it to be true ;-)
[19:24] <infinity> slangasek: No?  Do you ever say "what medium did you use to install that?"
[19:24] <slangasek> infinity: yes ;)
[19:24] <infinity> If so, you're rare. :P
[19:25] <infinity> ("What medium did you use?" ... "I didn't, I used the large.  Took forever to download.")
[19:31] <cyphermox> infinity: don't mix things up, I keep having mediums call me at home.


[00:42] <infinity> ikepanhc: I guess I don't get metas afterall?
[00:43] <infinity> ikepanhc: (This is what I meant by "if you upload them all at once, you don't have to babysit", cause I could be promoting and moving this mess along by now)
[01:43] <ikepanhc> infinity: just uploaded, shall be done in any minutes.
[01:44] <ikepanhc> infinity: fall to sleep too early yesterday :p
[01:54] <infinity> ikepanhc: My clock's completely backward.
[02:13] <infinity> ikepanhc: Ack.  You still there?
[02:13] <infinity> ikepanhc: You dropped the changes from the last upload in your quantal meta.
[02:13] <infinity> ikepanhc: err, precise, I mean.
[02:14] <ikepanhc> infinity: eh... let me check again
[02:14] <infinity> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/129646059/linux-meta-armadaxp_<IP_ADDRESS>3.19_<IP_ADDRESS>4.19.diff.gz
[02:14] <ikepanhc> infinity: eh, you are right, give me another 10min
[02:14] <infinity> ^-- That should have been <IP_ADDRESS>4.20 and included the changes from <IP_ADDRESS>3.19
[02:18] <infinity> Hrm, it could be that Andy forgot to commit that revision to git.  That would do it.
[02:19] <ikepanhc> I will replay it. Just 10min
[02:30] <ikepanhc> uploaded, wait ppa finishing package verify
[02:31] <infinity> ikepanhc: Would have more sense to keep Andy's previous changelog, and then just do your version bump on top, but oh well.
[02:34] <infinity> ikepanhc: Other than the changelog being weird, this at least produces the same source and binaries, so I'm happy enough with it.
[02:35] <ikepanhc> infinity: is there any guidebook for debian packaging? I am starting to think it would be better if I can read it
[02:36] <infinity> ikepanhc: Well, I'm not sure a guide book here would have helped, it's just common courtesy to not wipe out a previous changelog entry. :)
[02:36] <infinity> (In this case, I doubt Andy cares about attribution, so the diff is just "weird", rather than anything else)
[02:37] <ikepanhc> yes, that's what confusing me, since we have two .1614.19 in changelog. that will make changelog weird in any way
[02:42] <infinity> Well, my suggestion would have been to just include Andy's change, and then change your version to 1614.20, dropping the 1614.19 change entirely.
[02:42] <infinity> But too late now.
[02:42] <infinity> Since you can't reuse 1614.20, and doing ANOTHER upload just to twiddle the changelog more is pretty pointless.
[02:43] <ikepanhc> infinity: btw, thanks for the review. I am glad that you let me know that I shall review the diff after upload
[02:46] <infinity> ikepanhc: s/after/before/
[02:46] <infinity> ikepanhc: Please. :P
[02:47] <infinity> ikepanhc: Grab the old source, and "debdiff old.dsc new.dsc"
[02:47] <ikepanhc> understood.
[02:47] <infinity> After is a little late, especially in the case of "oops, I did something weird and now I can't reuse that version number, so I get to have a strange changelog that documents my mistakes or mysteriously skips version numbers to hide them". :)
[02:48] <infinity> So, for the sake of buildd resources and your own pride, review diffs before upload. :)
[02:48]  * ikepanhc nods
[02:48] <ikepanhc> I can not agree more
[02:49] <infinity> People staging in PPAs actually get it a bit rougher here.
[02:49] <infinity> Cause once you've uploaded to the PPA, the version is used up, and the package has eaten a few buildds.
[02:49] <infinity> People uploading directly to $stable-proposed get to have me yell at them from a queue review, and I can reject the package and they can redo it as if it never existed.
[15:11] <zequence> apw: lowlatency sources are updated. Did you want me to do something more this time?


[12:09] <tim> hi, i have been using make-kpkg regularly to build kernels. trying to build 2.6.33-rc1, i get the following error message, though: http://pastebin.com/d357e706d ... i have been switching kernel versions before, did a make mrproper etc ... any idea, what may be going wrong?
[13:16] <pgraner> tim: you can find 2.6.33-rc1 vanilla kernel builds for Ubuntu here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.33-rc1/
[13:16] <tim> pgraner, i know, i prefer building myself, since i need a custom configuration
[13:17] <tim> pgraner, also, it is hard to bisect a kernel tree with *debs :)
[13:18] <tim> well, i manually edited include/linux/utsrelease.h to match the version now ... still, dkms is unable to determine the target kernel version, too
[13:19] <tim> it seems that something has changed in 2.6.33, that breaks both make-kpkg and dkms :/
[18:28] <zbert> Hello room, anyone in here?
[18:29] <zbert> Looking for some newbie guidance
[18:31] <zbert> Is this room sleeping?
[18:35] <zbert> Wow, this is a disappointment, several rooms for ubuntu development are quiet, how can open source progammers assist if no one works on these projects?
[18:54] <zbert> Anyone in here?  Is there a good starting point to contribute?
[18:58] <Darxus> zbert: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kernel-team
[18:58] <Darxus> You must be new to IRC.  Expecting a prompt response is.. not practical.
[19:00] <Darxus> zbert: Also, see the channel topic.
[19:17] <crimsun> it's also the weekend, and it's close to major holidays.
[19:34] <zbert> Sorry to get back late... thanks for the list...
[19:35] <zbert> Not really expecting a prompt response either.
[19:37] <crimsun> do you have any specific questions?
[19:37] <crimsun> probably one of the easier ways to get involved is via the kernel bugday
[19:37] <crimsun> (this tuesday)
[19:39] <zbert> No, I got my questions answered but thank you.  Unfortunately, I only have time to code on the weekend so Tuesdays are out but I'll remember that if the kids have another snow day this week
[19:54] <crimsun> heh, same here.


[16:50] <wxl> someone have access to our UbuntuOnAir YouTube account so they can revise the incorrect title (look at the date) of the last Ubuntu Hour? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iFE0DBs1C4


[14:30] <didrocks> o/
[14:30] <eslerm> o/
[14:32] <cpaelzer> o/
[14:32] <cpaelzer> give me one sec
[14:32] <cpaelzer> conflicts conflicts ... :-/
[14:33] <joalif> o/
[14:33] <cpaelzer> thank you for the patience
[14:33] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[14:33] <meetingology> Meeting started at 14:33:55 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[14:34] <cpaelzer> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( eslerm dviererbe )
[14:34] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[14:34] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:34] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:34] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:34] <cpaelzer> non-proposed only has false positives and the known rustc case
[14:34] <cpaelzer> and -proposed only adds the known jaraco tree
[14:34] <cpaelzer> nothing new to act on as far as I'm concerned
[14:34] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[14:35] <cpaelzer> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[14:35] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:35] <cpaelzer> three cases, none of them entirely new
[14:35] <cpaelzer> 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rustc/+bug/1957932
[14:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1957932 in rustc (Ubuntu) "[MIR] rustc, cargo, dh-cargo" [Critical, New]
[14:36] <cpaelzer> waits for the three sub-bugs to be complete
[14:37] <cpaelzer> eslerm: wsa driving 1991650 with foundations
[14:38] <cpaelzer> eslerm: sarnold: I have a hard time parsing the state of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/http-parser/+bug/1990655
[14:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1990655 in http-parser (Ubuntu) "MIR: libgit2, http-parser" [High, Incomplete]
[14:38] <eslerm> I did not do the initial review, but the conditional ack which was there seemed unfair
[14:39] <cpaelzer> yeah
[14:39] <cpaelzer> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cargo/+bug/1993819 seems ok
[14:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1993819 in dh-cargo (Ubuntu) "[MIR] cargo, dh-cargo" [High, In Progress]
[14:39] <cpaelzer> but this seems more like "the involved people need to get together, ensure that all is in place and then promote" than a task we can distribute here
[14:39] <didrocks> agreed
[14:39] <cpaelzer> I'd go to the other two cases to have a look
[14:40] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/s390-tools/+bug/2030482
[14:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2030482 in s390-tools (Ubuntu) "[MIR] s390-tools Rust dependencies (vendored)" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[14:40] <cpaelzer> schopin: this looks like waiting for a review
[14:40] <cpaelzer> is that correct?
[14:40] <cpaelzer> I see description updates, setting the state so it shows up here, ...
[14:41] <cpaelzer> I'm totally+20% unable to take on a review atm :-/
[14:41] <cpaelzer> didrocks: joalif: any of you open to have a look at this one?
[14:42] <joalif> i could
[14:42] <cpaelzer> thank you
[14:42] <cpaelzer> next in queue is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libde265/+bug/2004449
[14:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2004449 in libde265 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libde265 (dependency of libheif)" [Undecided, New]
[14:43] <cpaelzer> Known tasks left, setting to incomplete
[14:43] <didrocks> yeah, bad status apparently
[14:43] <cpaelzer> fixed
[14:43] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:43] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:43] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:44] <cpaelzer> most are of last weeks meeting or just now
[14:44] <cpaelzer> the only one in between has been
[14:44] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pappl-retrofit/+bug/2031814
[14:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2031814 in pappl-retrofit (Ubuntu) "[MIR] pappl-retrofit" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[14:45] <didrocks> well, it should stays a NACK for now, no?
[14:45] <cpaelzer> yep
[14:45] <cpaelzer> it just got additionally untergetted from 23.10 - due to that it shows up as recent
[14:45] <cpaelzer> #topic Process/Documentation improvements
[14:45] <cpaelzer> Mission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues
[14:45] <cpaelzer> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls
[14:45] <cpaelzer> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues
[14:46] <cpaelzer> uh
[14:46] <cpaelzer> I missed getting feedback on https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pull/40
[14:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 40 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "Clarify owning team requirement" [Open]
[14:46] <cpaelzer> I can work on that, all seems quick and easy to address
[14:46] <cpaelzer> and thereby closing one of the open issues
[14:47] <cpaelzer> the rest AFAICS are ok to stay as is
[14:47] <cpaelzer> no one had time to make progress on package sets or re-review
[14:47] <didrocks> I’ll look at #40
[14:47] <cpaelzer> and the externally created branch stayed a riddle
[14:47] <cpaelzer> thanks didrocks, I'll myself address anything in the PR tomorrow morning
[14:47] <cpaelzer> and then it most likely is ready to be meregd
[14:47] <cpaelzer> or rather "merged"
[14:48] <cpaelzer> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[14:48] <cpaelzer> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[14:48] <cpaelzer> Some clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place.
[14:48] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:48] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:48] <cpaelzer> Internal link
[14:48] <cpaelzer> - ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect
[14:48] <cpaelzer> - ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much
[14:48] <cpaelzer> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
[14:49] <eslerm> Security is on a sprint, not much to update on our side
[14:49] <cpaelzer> thanks for that info
[14:49] <cpaelzer> I hope you got a nice place to be at
[14:49] <cpaelzer> I see you added the first few perl packages to the queue
[14:49] <cpaelzer> thanks
[14:50] <eslerm> libmysofa is currently waiting for upstream to respond, doesn't look too promising
[14:50] <eslerm> we're in Spain \o/
[14:50] <cpaelzer> yeah
[14:50] <cpaelzer> one question
[14:50] <cpaelzer> and worst case you can carry that to the sprint
[14:50] <cpaelzer> what is the state on  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openscap/+bug/1877696
[14:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1877696 in openscap (Ubuntu) "[MIR] openscap" [Undecided, New]
[14:51] <eslerm> mothballed, the package has serious issues and upstream needs support
[14:51] <cpaelzer> that is mostly a question for intent/timing as otherwise it will sit in the queues forever
[14:51] <cpaelzer> oh really
[14:51] <cpaelzer> mothballed
[14:51] <cpaelzer> hmm
[14:51] <eslerm> owning team (Security) would need to designate engineering time to resolve upstream issues
[14:51] <cpaelzer> will there be a cut-off marking it incomplete and out of the queue then?
[14:52] <eslerm> our oval scanner is based on it
[14:52] <cpaelzer> hmm, ok
[14:52] <cpaelzer> do not remove it then :-)
[14:52] <eslerm> https://ubuntu.com/security/oval
[14:52] <cpaelzer> happy to keep it there, I was just curious
[14:52] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[14:52] <cpaelzer> not from the server team
[14:52] <eslerm> I'll raise this to the team :)
[14:53] <didrocks> nothing for me
[14:53] <cpaelzer> we are short on attendees today
[14:54] <cpaelzer> eslerm: anything from you or security?
[14:54] <eslerm> nothing from us
[14:54] <cpaelzer> then we have everyone
[14:54] <cpaelzer> thank you all
[14:54] <cpaelzer> post FF keeps being the only silent time
[14:54] <cpaelzer> gladly
[14:54] <cpaelzer> o/
[14:54] <didrocks> yeah, gladly :)
[14:54] <eslerm> thanks cpaelzer and didrocks o/
[14:54] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[14:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 14:54:42 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-09-19-14.33.moin.txt
[14:54] <didrocks> thanks cpaelzer, eslerm!
[14:56] <joalif> thanks all :)