[00:08] <berling> is there any solution for lubuntu freezing on old pcs?
[00:12] <stlsaint> we would need more a explanation of the error
[00:12] <stlsaint> and any error reports you get...
[00:13] <stlsaint> berling: ??
[00:29] <berling> just searched logs. Usually happens after using firefox or chrome.
[00:30] <berling> ntpd_initres[985]: parent died before we finished, exiting
[00:40] <berling> and final log:
[00:41] <berling> kernel: [   50.136353] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,commit=600
[00:57] <stwobe> just installed sox - but cannot convert form wav to m3 - error says "SoX was compiled without MP3 encoding support". Even though I installed every Sox realed thing in Synaptic.
[00:57] <stwobe> mp3 I mean in the above -not m3
[03:16] <cmdrtebok> hey I was wondering what the minimum amount of hard drive space needed for lubuntu was
[03:56] <phillw> cmdrtebok: it *can* fit on 512MB
[04:26] <stlsaint> cmdrtebok: to functionally run i suggest 1-4 gb (thats giving room for installing programs)
[04:26] <stlsaint> :)
[04:30] <bioterror> hahaha
[04:31] <bioterror> my Arch is on 2TB drive :D
[04:31] <bioterror> thanks to grub 2 :D
[04:31] <bioterror> feels weird if someone has less than 20GB hdd
[04:33] <stlsaint> bioterror: feels weird for me if less than 200GB lol
[04:33] <stlsaint> bioterror: its like anything less then 250 and i cant function properly lol
[04:40] <bioterror> yeah
[04:40] <bioterror> you dont need to install much stuff and you're way beyond 3GB
[05:17] <stlsaint> MonthOLDpickle: SPAM!!
[10:50] <Goodgame> hello
[10:51] <Goodgame> I've got a question on ubuntu, (same on lubuntu I guess). How do we cut/paste files from an user to another?
[12:18] <wyclif> hey
[12:22] <wyclif> liking lubuntu a lot
[12:25] <bioterror> good wyclif
[14:23] <sligo> hello. i am new to linux and what i learned in ubuntu doesn't always apply to lubuntu.  i downloaded a package from Moneydance which is my financial software.  is there anyway to make an icon executable from the same place the chromium icon is located and get rid of the chromium icon?
[14:24] <sligo> if this is the wrong place for this question, my apologies
[16:41]  * woodzy is away: I'm busy
[17:03] <woodzy> does anyone know how to disable the touch pad on a laptop when a usb or ps/2 mouse is plugged in?
[21:06] <GaryD> hello all. does anyone know why mplayer goes black after a few minutes? i have the video output set on x11.
[21:07] <kosaidpoo> GaryD: why not use vlc its cooler
[21:07] <GaryD> because I can't seem to get the mozilla-vlc-plugin to ever work.
[21:08] <kosaidpoo> GaryD: ahhi tho u jst askin abt the desktop app
[21:08] <GaryD> it never plays videos in firefox.
[21:08] <kosaidpoo> GaryD: does it give you any error msg ?
[21:10] <GaryD> kosaidpoo: no. the screen just goes blank. i am using gnome-mplayer.
[21:10] <GaryD> i still get sound, though?
[21:13] <Yorvyk> GaryD, is that not the screensaver kicking in
[21:13] <kosaidpoo> GaryD: uhmm weird
[21:15] <GaryD> Yorvyk: i have the screensaver disabled. It doesn't happen all the time either, mainly in embedded videos, but it does happen on local videos too.
[21:16] <Yorvyk> uhmm weird :/
[21:17] <GaryD> yep. a friend of mine is having the same problem.
[21:19] <Yorvyk> GaryD, Have you tried starting it from the command line to see if it throes any error out?
[21:21] <GaryD> Yorvyk: no, i haven't. i will do that next time. does anyone else have this problem? i notice on the forums and mailing lists that others are having the same problem, but only with vdpau output. also, i do have unclutter enabled. coudl that causea problem? i notice that sometimes it happens when the mouse disappears. not always though.
[21:22] <Yorvyk> GaryD, I've not had the problem.
[21:23] <GaryD> and you use gnome-mplayer?
[21:23] <Yorvyk> Does it happen only with a certain format or any format
[21:23] <Yorvyk> yes gnome mplayer
[21:24] <GaryD> what is your video output?
[21:25] <Yorvyk> Intel or SiS
[21:25] <GaryD> oh
[21:26] <Yorvyk> vdpau is nVidia?
[21:27] <GaryD> i am using x11. on my computer i have nvidea card. on my friend's computer there is xserver-xorg-video-intel.
[21:29] <Yorvyk> Sorry I see, it is X11 yes
[21:29] <Yorvyk> BRB
[21:34] <Yorvyk> GaryD, is this on full-screen
[21:34] <GaryD> Yorvyk: yes.
[21:37] <Yorvyk> Do certain videos all ways fail?
[21:40] <GaryD> No. It seems to be totally random, but it nearly always happens with embedded videos.
[21:42] <GaryD> i would just use vlc, but as i said, the mozilla plugin never works...not even sometimes.
[21:42] <GaryD> and what is up with that?
[21:42] <GaryD> also, if there was any other player besides mplayer or vlc with a browser plugin for firefox, i would use that.
[21:43] <GaryD> and even with chrome, i seem to always have multimedia problems. even with all the extras installed.
[21:46] <GaryD> it is very annoying.
[21:47] <Yorvyk> The only probelms I get a stuttering or the audio out of sync with the video
[21:48] <Yorvyk> There does seem to be people having trouble with vdpau and no solutions
[21:49] <GaryD> I have seen that. i don't even have vdpau installed. i have the proprietary nvidia driver and xserver-xorg-video-nv.
[21:50] <GaryD> someone told me to install smplayer and it would "automagically" fix the problem...what do you think?
[21:52] <Yorvyk> One can but try.  Although I'm surprised VLC won't work for you.
[21:54] <GaryD> vlc works great. it is my player of choice. it is just that no videos will load in the browser. i get a "video loading" thing on the video screen and it never loads. i have waited a long time before too. at least 20 minutes.
[22:13] <GaryD> i get no errors when ran from the command line.
[22:17] <Yorvyk> GaryD, not helpful :(
[22:18] <jhrjd> hi all
[22:19] <jhrjd> i need help, who could help me, please?
[22:19] <Yorvyk> jhrjd, If you ask we can try :)
[22:20] <jhrjd> ok thank you very much, only wanted to know if i may, so i explain my request:
[22:21] <jhrjd> sorry for my english, i'm italian, i would add at the under bar, the pulsant: lock application blocked
[22:21] <jhrjd> i remember that there is one like in ubuntu
[22:21] <Yorvyk> GaryD, have you tried different video outputs?
[22:22] <jhrjd> now i would use lubuntu and i would like to add the similar pulsant
[22:24] <Yorvyk> jhrjd, Sorry I don't understand, can you explain it another way
[22:24] <jhrjd> yes certainly
[22:24] <jhrjd> i mean a button that is useful to unlock the software has gone in crash
[22:25] <GaryD> Yorvyk: yes. they all don't work. also, do you think post-processing could have something to do with it?
[22:26] <Yorvyk> GaryD, just looking at I have Minimal set on this machine.  I'm not really sure what it does
[22:26] <GaryD> hmmm...dang
[22:27] <Yorvyk> jhrjd, I know what you mean now
[22:27] <jhrjd> and i used it on using ubuntu, adding it to the taskbar located in the downside of the desktop
[22:27] <jhrjd> and my problem is that i don't know the way to find it on distro lubuntu
[22:29] <jhrjd> i tried to click with right mouse on taskbar but i did not find in the possible options
[22:30] <GaryD> i set post-processing to max. no good.
[22:30] <Yorvyk> jhrjd, I think i know what you mean but can't remember the name
[22:30] <Yorvyk> GaryD, it seems to alter the picture quality as far as I can tell
[22:31] <jhrjd> ok thanks
[22:32] <Yorvyk> jhrjd, is it the skull and cross bones looking thing?
[22:33] <jhrjd> i think not
[22:34] <GaryD> what the crap. i have seen this exact problem go unsolved on nearly all versions of ubuntu. from 8.04 to now. why hasn't this been fixed yet? also, why does lubuntu use a player for default that doesn't work properly? as far as that goes, why is it that the only player that works in a browser seem to be totem?
[22:34] <Yorvyk> jhrjd, Is it called 'Force Quit'
[22:35] <jhrjd> yes, that one
[22:35] <jhrjd> is there a similar one in lubuntu too?
[22:35] <Yorvyk> GaryD, I can't get Totem to work exept with Xubuntu
[22:36] <GaryD> Yorvyk: totem comes with ubuntu by default. i have never had a problem with it. this is wierd.
[22:37] <Yorvyk> jhrjd, No and I'm not sure if the Ubuntu one would work, give me a moment to find it.
[22:38] <Yorvyk> GaryD, I know I used to install VLC in Ubuntu to get things to work.
[22:39] <GaryD> lol...that's crazy!
[22:39] <jhrjd> Yorvyk, okay, as long as you want, thanks again for your help
[22:39] <GaryD> i wonder why i have these problems....also it doesn't make any sense since it is random and even my friend with a much older computer is having the same exact problems.
[22:41] <GaryD> i hate this. i talked up lubuntu a lot and now i have a lot of problems.
[22:42] <jhrjd> GaryD: are you saying to me?
[22:44] <GaryD> jhrjd: nope. just saying ingeneral.
[22:44] <GaryD> in general
[22:45] <jhrjd> ok i see
[22:47] <Yorvyk> GaryD, the problem is, nobody seems to know what the problem is.  It appears, to me, that certain combinations of software just won't work on some machines.
[22:50] <GaryD> Yorvyk: i hear ya. so what do you suggest i do? convert back to windows?
[22:50] <Yorvyk> jhrjd, There skull and cross bones one I was thinking of is 'xkill'. If you open the terminal and type xkill it turns the cursor into a skull and cross bones and you click on the window you want to kill.
[22:50] <Yorvyk> GaryD, have you tried smplayer?
[22:52] <jhrjd> ok thank you, i will do in that way
[22:52] <GaryD> Yorvyk: i have not. although, the mozilla plugin depends on gnome-mplayer. so i would still have the problem with embedded videos, right?
[22:53] <jhrjd> thank you very much, now i go, good night all
[22:53] <GaryD> night
[22:54] <GaryD> also, smplayer is a qt frontend.
[22:56] <bioterror> pcmanfm > thunar
[22:56] <bioterror> that one is clear thing
[22:57] <GaryD> bioterror: what?
[22:57] <Yorvyk> GaryD, forgot about the Qt thing.  It drags a lot of dependencies in as I remember.
[22:58] <GaryD> Yorvyk: yeah, unfortunately
[22:58] <GaryD> bioterror: pcmanfm rocks
[23:02] <Yorvyk> GaryD, pity pcmanfm can't play movies :)
[23:02] <GaryD> Yorvyk: i support that.
[23:04] <Yorvyk> GaryD, I rarely play video at full screen, but just tried Sintel and it went blank about 15 mins in and the sound is continuing
[23:04] <GaryD> Yorvyk: that is the problem.
[23:04] <Yorvyk> I'll leave it to see if it comes back on.  No error messages though.
[23:05] <GaryD> I watch all videos in fullscreen. my family watches movies at night. we get tired of this black screen. even my 6 year old recognizes the player and says "please daddy, not that one, it will mess up!"
[23:06] <GaryD> btw...sintel rocks
[23:06] <Yorvyk> Have you tried just maximising the window rather than using full-screen?
[23:07] <GaryD> I could, but it kinda defeats the purpose of seeing nothing but the video.
[23:08] <Yorvyk> I just wondered if that would work.
[23:08] <GaryD> i think the problem is just with fullscreen. not sure though.
[23:09] <Yorvyk> If it did then the problem is with full-screen mode and may help the developer(s)
[23:09] <GaryD> right. i will try that.
[23:13] <GaryD> ok. thanks for all the help and suggestions. i have to go, but will be back sometime tomorrow with a follow up.


[00:27] <GreekFreak> hi all
[00:28] <GreekFreak> I've been using Ubuntu for a while, but it won't run on my 2nd very old laptop. I was recommended Lubuntu and wanted to know if anyone can compare it to Crunchbang for me. thanx
[00:31] <Unit193> Well, crunchbang would be a little faster as it only uses OpenBox, Lubuntu uses LXDE (which also uses OpenBox)
[00:32] <GreekFreak> Unit193, so it's more resource heavy by comparisson? (excuse the noob questions, I'm fairly new)
[00:33] <Unit193> Well, they use different desktops, and #! isn't Ubuntu based, so that'd be a reason it could be. (Been a while since I compared, so things could have changed)
[00:35] <GreekFreak> Unit193, thank you. One problem I am encountering though, is that in crunchbang I have some dependency problems when installing rvm, whereas I didn't have that in Ubuntu
[00:37] <Unit193> Lubuntu wouldn't have a problem then (Ruby-rvm?  I did an apt-get install to make sure, no errors)
[00:39] <GreekFreak> Unit193, yes, ruby-rvm. It's giving me issues with the libsqlite3-dev package, that it requires a libsqlite3-0 that is older than the one that Debian "squeeze" has installed for me.
[00:40] <GreekFreak> good to know that lubuntu has no errors though, so I might just make a switch
[00:40] <Unit193> You can always build from the !mini too if you'd rather.
[00:42] <GreekFreak> Unit193, I heard about that one. If I'm not mistaken it comes with bare minimum and I add what I need, right?
[00:42] <Unit193> Yep.
[00:42] <Unit193> !mini
[00:45] <GreekFreak> Unit193, thank you
[00:49] <Unit193> Sure.
[02:09] <seb_> How do I downgrade flash from 11 to 10.x ? the new version does not work with my computer.
[06:15] <windbuntu> phil is that u?
[07:52] <Zexanima__> Hello. Would anyone happen to know why audio and video(webcam) would go out after being in a Skype call for a while?
[07:53] <Zexanima__> The audio goes out for everything. I have to reboot before it will work again.
[11:33] <roshan> Hello, I would like to know where to edit the lightdm files for changing the location of the password field in the login screen
[11:35] <roshan> Hello
[14:22] <cheryl_> Hi
[14:22] <cheryl_> Unit193, You here Batman?? :)
[15:00] <leszek> hi
[15:09] <epzil0n> hello
[16:05] <Rodrigo> someone knows how to install java on lubuntu?
[16:05] <bioterror> !java
[16:06] <Rodrigo> ty
[16:07] <Rodrigo> ty found it
[16:07] <Rodrigo> ^
[16:07] <Rodrigo> clear
[16:07] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo all
[16:07] <Rodrigo> gratz for such a leighweight distro :) my pc allways suffers from overheat
[16:07] <Rodrigo> but with this distro is awesome, it is also good for me (a newbie in linux)
[16:07] <Rodrigo> also the temperature is really low ;)
[16:14] <Rodrigo> also
[16:14] <Rodrigo> someone knows where i can find a link to help translate lubuntu into my native language?
[18:32] <smile4linux> bye :)
[20:51] <Guest24231> Hi I'm on lubuntu 12 and I got a problem with sound and clock : I can't change 'em
[20:51] <Guest24231> a right clic gives me nothin  : settings are greyed
[21:33] <CellTech> Lubuntu is broken!
[23:20] <souliaq> How I can enable, multiple login of users?How I can enable, multiple login of users in LXDE (Ubuntu)?
[23:20] <souliaq> sorry.


[19:02] <rbasak> amurray: FYI, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2022-February/019178.html got moderated through earlier
[19:03] <rbasak> I don't know if you would take any specific action on that or not that isn't already covered by your CVE triage.
[19:49] <sarnold> thanks rbasak :)
[20:34] <amurray> rbasak: thanks for the heads up - will take a look later today


[06:39] <cob-olp> I've built ubuntu-tv on my pandaboard
[06:39] <cob-olp> using official ubuntu 12.04
[06:39] <cob-olp> but now I'm not sure how to run it
[06:48] <smartboyhw> Hi cob-olp
[06:55] <cob-olp> hi
[06:55] <smartboyhw> Hi cob-olp. Why aren
[06:55] <smartboyhw> 't you sure how to run it?
[06:56] <cob-olp> because it does not start when I use suggested commands
[06:56] <smartboyhw> You mean ./shell/app/unity-2d-shell -opengl ?
[06:56] <cob-olp> yes
[06:57] <smartboyhw> Er... You followed the instructions clearly?
[06:59] <cob-olp> you mean wrom this page?
[06:59] <cob-olp> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Contributing
[06:59] <smartboyhw> Yes.
[06:59] <smartboyhw> Follow it, except of course the ppa in the first line has changed:)
[07:00] <cob-olp> so I still have to do the lens point?
[07:00] <smartboyhw> Yes. The video lens are the same thing.
[07:00] <smartboyhw> Sorry, I mean the third line:)
[07:01] <cob-olp> but in this case I use exact lines?
[07:01] <smartboyhw> Yes.
[07:01] <cob-olp> ok
[07:02] <smartboyhw> Next time I'll make a video on how to compile for 12.04 I think
[07:02] <smartboyhw> Or maybe bobweaver will do it:)
[07:11] <cob-olp> still the same problem
[07:11] <cob-olp> last line is critical error
[07:11] <cob-olp> Another instance of Shell already exists.
[07:12] <smartboyhw> Paste it.
[07:12] <smartboyhw> To paste.ubuntu.com of course:)
[07:16] <smartboyhw> OK, give me the paste:)
[07:16] <cob-olp> one moment
[07:16] <cob-olp> have to transfer it from the board
[07:16] <smartboyhw> :)
[07:16] <smartboyhw> OK
[07:17] <cob-olp> paste.ubuntu.com/1173311
[07:18] <smartboyhw> Wait, are you on Unity or Unity 2D?
[07:19] <cob-olp> during the login I set unity
[07:19] <cob-olp> not unity-3d
[07:19] <cob-olp> so it should be unity 2d
[07:19] <smartboyhw> OK, then you should not have ran replace if you do NOT use Unity 3D
[07:19] <cob-olp> ran replace?
[07:20] <cob-olp> o
[07:20] <cob-olp> so I switched to 3d?
[07:20] <smartboyhw> dam@adam-desktop:~/ubuntu-tv/precise_merge$ metacity --replace &
[07:20] <smartboyhw> This one.
[07:20] <smartboyhw> If you are in 3D you don't need to run it.
[07:20] <smartboyhw> Sorry, I mean in 2D:)
[07:20] <cob-olp> ok
[07:20] <cob-olp> will try
[07:21] <cob-olp> after reboot of the board
[07:21] <smartboyhw> OK.  Did you get it running now?
[07:26] <cob-olp> I mean if web browser can be opened when I try to run it
[07:26] <cob-olp> however, I have still the same error
[07:26] <smartboyhw> Why?
[07:27] <cob-olp> why what?
[07:28] <smartboyhw> Well, looks like we've got a problem
[07:28] <smartboyhw> Give me the result of echo $DESKTOP_SESSION in terminal
[07:28] <smartboyhw> "echo $DESKTOP_SESSION" type it in terminal (without quotes)
[07:29] <cob-olp> ubuntu-2d
[07:29] <smartboyhw> OK
[07:29] <smartboyhw> Run killall unity-2d-{panel,places,launcher,spread} && killall unity-2d-{panel,places,launcher,spread}
[07:29] <cob-olp> done
[07:30] <smartboyhw> OK, then run it again
[07:31] <cob-olp> still error
[07:31] <smartboyhw> What?
[07:31] <smartboyhw> Hmm...
[07:31] <cob-olp> it looks that something is trying to start
[07:31] <smartboyhw> Did you use Saviq's ppa?
[07:31] <Saviq> I _have_ _no_ _ppa_
[07:32] <cob-olp> the left pannel moves away for a moment
[07:32] <smartboyhw> Sorry, I keep messing it up:(
[07:32] <cob-olp> but then goes back and there is this critical error
[07:32] <smartboyhw> it should go back
[07:33] <cob-olp> I use lp:~saviq/ubuntutv/precise_merge
[07:33] <smartboyhw> OK.
[07:33] <smartboyhw> Did you install the video lens?
[07:33] <cob-olp> yes
[07:34] <smartboyhw> Hmm...... Kill the process again.
[07:34] <smartboyhw> Then run it again... It shouldn't happen
[07:34] <smartboyhw> Saviq: A question: Is there Ubuntu TV for 12.10?
[07:34] <Saviq> no
[07:34] <cob-olp> I've killed them so many times :)
[07:34] <smartboyhw> Hmm....
[07:35] <cob-olp> should the top panel appear?
[07:35] <smartboyhw> Because by killing it it should not have a shell error.
[07:35] <cob-olp> because it dissapears for a moment
[07:35] <smartboyhw> It should disappear
[07:35] <cob-olp> and appears again
[07:35] <smartboyhw> Wait, do you get unity-2d-panel: no process found
[07:35] <smartboyhw> unity-2d-places: no process found
[07:35] <smartboyhw> unity-2d-launcher: no process found
[07:35] <smartboyhw> unity-2d-spread: no process found?
[07:36] <cob-olp> no "unity-2d-panel: no process found"
[07:36] <smartboyhw> OK
[07:36] <smartboyhw> Hmm, then I don't know:(
[07:36] <cob-olp> now it appeared
[07:36] <cob-olp> and there is no panel
[07:37] <cob-olp> after subsequent killing
[07:37] <smartboyhw> Hmm.....
[07:37] <cob-olp> still does not start
[07:37] <smartboyhw> You still get the shell critical error?
[07:37] <cob-olp> yes
[07:38] <smartboyhw> Uh oh, then I don't know
[07:38] <cob-olp> o yeah
[07:39] <cob-olp> I killed unity-2d-shell many times and...
[07:39] <smartboyhw> Sorry.
[07:39] <cob-olp> it seams to work
[07:39] <cob-olp> :)
[07:39] <cob-olp> seems
[07:39] <smartboyhw> Hmm...
[07:39] <cob-olp> no mouse
[07:40] <cob-olp> ...
[07:40] <smartboyhw> What do you mean by no mouse?
[07:40] <cob-olp> I see no pointer
[07:40] <cob-olp> and it is so slow
[07:40] <smartboyhw> You mean Ubuntu TV?
[07:40] <cob-olp> yes
[07:41] <smartboyhw> Well, there IS supposed to be no pointer for now, use F1, F2, F3 and the arrow keys:)
[07:41] <smartboyhw> At least you got it working, that's great:)
[07:42] <cob-olp> but is to slow
[07:42] <cob-olp> too
[07:42] <smartboyhw> cob-olp: Don't worry about performance
[07:42] <cob-olp> yes I know
[07:43] <cob-olp> but I have to wait 10s when I press right arrow
[07:43] <cob-olp> to change celected rectangle
[07:43] <cob-olp> because there are no images
[07:43] <cob-olp> don't know if there should be any
[07:44] <cob-olp> maybe I have to do something more on pandaboard to accelerate this?
[07:44] <smartboyhw> Now that's slow. I need only 1 to 2 second
[07:45] <smartboyhw> On ARM questions, go to #ubuntu-arm :)
[07:45] <smartboyhw> !ARM
[07:45] <smartboyhw> Er, there should be a ubottu here:(
[07:45] <cob-olp> ubottu?
[07:45] <smartboyhw> The bot:)
[07:45] <cob-olp> to ban me?
[07:46] <smartboyhw> No.
[07:46] <smartboyhw> To provide info.
[07:47] <cob-olp> I will ask there
[07:47] <cob-olp> should there be images in rectangles?
[07:47] <cob-olp> in Purchased?
[07:47] <smartboyhw> Should:)
[07:48] <smartboyhw> Anyway you got it running:) That's great!
[08:07] <smartboyhw> popey: I think I know why bobweaver is so angry yesterday about not letting people in the team:(
[08:08] <popey> hmm?
[08:08] <popey> i don't know what you're talking about, sorry
[08:08] <smartboyhw> Well, because he cannot upload to the branches and that means that he couldn't directly edit the code
[08:08] <smartboyhw> popey: Look at the channel backlog
[08:09] <popey> i just arrived
[08:10] <smartboyhw> OK. Look at the log and you'll know what happened around 13:00-16:00 UTC yesterday
[08:10] <popey> ok
[12:25] <smartboyhw> jhodapp: I know why bobweaver is angry yesterday I think
[12:26] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, oh?
[12:26] <smartboyhw> Because bobweaver actually does not have the right to upload the code directly to the TV branch.
[12:27] <jhodapp> did he say that to you?
[12:28] <smartboyhw> NO. I think of it myself
[12:28] <jhodapp> ok, but he can certainly make merge requests, in which case they will get reviewed and applied if they do add great value to the source
[12:36] <smartboyhw> :)
[12:36] <smartboyhw> Maybe it's because he doesn't fell acknowledged.
[13:10] <smartboyhw> jhodapp: ping
[13:10] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, one min, I'll ping you in one min
[13:11] <smartboyhw> OK
[13:15] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, ok, back
[13:15] <jhodapp> what's up?
[13:15] <smartboyhw> Hmm, is there a 12.10 package for Ubuntu  TV?
[13:16] <jhodapp> no
[13:16] <smartboyhw> ... What?
[13:16] <jhodapp> you mean the demo code right?
[13:16] <smartboyhw> Yep
[13:16] <jhodapp> no there's not
[13:17] <smartboyhw> ...:_(
[13:17] <jhodapp> what's the problem?
[13:17] <smartboyhw> I've just upgraded, and now I can't enjoy Ubuntu TV:(
[13:18] <jhodapp> it's just a demo
[13:19] <jhodapp> it'll be replaced in the coming months
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Cry...
[13:57] <smartboyhw> o/ bobweaver
[13:57] <bobweaver> :)
[13:57] <smartboyhw> How are ya?
[13:57] <smartboyhw> I'm sad that there's no demo TV for 12.10:(
[13:57] <bobweaver> I am good
[13:57] <bobweaver> there might be after all how knows
[13:58] <bobweaver> you can change the cmake files to make it so that the calls call the reight things
[13:58] <smartboyhw> ...


[01:42] <ola> ola
[07:05] <Guest77> maybe someone can help? what does this mean? N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-i36/Packages' as repository 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu impish InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i36'
[08:41] <guiverc> Guest77, i36 is not a valid architecture... amd64 is, i386 is (a typo likely in your sources)
[09:08] <Guest77> in what file exactly?
[09:09] <Guest77> guiverc
[09:18] <guiverc> you didn't say what command shows that error; if it was `sudo apt update` then it'd be /etc/apt/sources.list if you added it there, or if you added via add-apt-repository command then it'll be in a file inside /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory ; whomever added the typo will have put it somewhere only that person will exactly know
[09:19] <guiverc> Guest77, ^
[19:56] <lubuntu> Si
[19:58] <lubuntu> Ahora


[02:46] <blackboxsw> tribaal: for tomorrow, can you add some background on the need for the set-passwords override in the merge proposal https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/371823  .   I wasn't sure if there was a limitation in the platform that disallowed changing the instance-id in your metadata after a console operation to update passwords
[15:24] <tribaal> hi blackboxsw - so regardig your question (I'll discuss it here and then add a comment on the PR):
[15:26] <tribaal> indeed, we currently only set an instance-id per, well, instance. That is - each time a user decides "give me a new VM", our code sets this VM's id as instance-id. While it would be possible to change the instance id between an instance creation and its end of life, it feels weird to me - the user password is not a defining characteristic of the instance, I don't think resetting the password should
[15:26] <tribaal> regenerate an instance id
[15:28] <tribaal> however, resetting the user password (whatever the appropriate user is for that particular os - ubuntu, root, etc...) is a feature we offer our users and so would like to keep. The current flow is something like "press this button in the UI and we regenerate a password for you, then you reboot your instance and voila, new password"
[15:29] <tribaal> but this requires the cloud-init module to be run "always" unless I'm mistaken. It's the same instance - but the password might have changed.
[15:30] <tribaal> resetting the instance id would trigger other modules to re-run as well when resetting the password - for instance, I guess per-instance runs of cloud-config's "runcmd" would run again if we changed the instance id?
[15:33] <blackboxsw> sounds good tribaal we were talking about this in standup at the same time as your ping here
[15:33] <tribaal> ah :)
[15:33] <tribaal> blackboxsw: if you want to hop in a call I can do a live demo of the feature, if that would help
[15:49] <blackboxsw> sure tribaal. join if you'd like https://meet.google.com/bxm-azib-mtj
[15:50] <blackboxsw> your ears are probably burning  :)
[15:50] <blackboxsw> as we are talking about you
[15:50] <tribaal> haha
[16:54] <blackboxsw> tribaal: I have a fix, but I'm still working on unit test fixe s
[16:54] <blackboxsw> will unfortunately be > 1 hr as I have an errand
[16:55] <blackboxsw> pushing what I have if you want to look
[16:55] <blackboxsw> deb won't build because of unit test failure
[17:30] <tribaal> blackboxsw: ack
[17:32] <tribaal> blackboxsw: rharper: the only thing I thought about in between is that the semaphore-nuking approach will be a little be strange from a logs perspective - the logs will show something along the lines of "set-passwords ran with frequency once-per-instance" yet it will run more than once per instance.
[17:32] <rharper> tribaal: yes
[17:32] <rharper> I think if we also log in the datasource what we're doing it's explainable
[17:33] <tribaal> yes, that is probably enough
[18:20] <blackboxsw> <- back
[18:20] <blackboxsw> working on the unittest fixup now
[18:21] <blackboxsw> and adding a log message about set-password frequency override
[18:51] <blackboxsw> tribaal: rharper just force pushed the exoscale branch
[18:51] <blackboxsw> unit tests fixed
[18:51] <blackboxsw> testing now on my exoscale branch
[18:52] <blackboxsw> s/branch/vm
[18:58] <blackboxsw> bah get_ipath not available at that spot in the datasource. fixing
[19:52] <tribaal> blackboxsw: thanks - I kicked off a test, but unfortunately it hit a bump in the road (nothing tragic as far as I can see though)
[19:53] <tribaal> blackboxsw: I imported your keys in "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you want to poke around (similar setup as the prvious machine - an Eoan snapshot on our preprod infra)
[19:59] <blackboxsw> thanks tribaal
[20:00] <blackboxsw> tribaal: that's stale :/
[20:00] <blackboxsw> ahh tribaal I forgot to push my fix will have that up in about ~20
[20:21] <blackboxsw> tribaal: I fixed for your tomorrow. testing again now on a live instance
[20:36] <blackboxsw> rharper: tribaal I just tested current 576531c33b7c5bf215b5bc59dbff84eb9feaf981 of https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/371823 with success
[20:37]  * blackboxsw runs to an errand
[20:42] <rharper> blackboxsw: thanks, I'll review
[21:13]  * tribaal tries again
[21:37] <blackboxsw> rharper: per using sem_path = self.paths.get_ipath_cur('sem')  that was coming up None on Exoscale datasource, in my earlier pass on this, the datasource wasn't attached to self.paths for some reason
[21:37] <rharper> it should be it's in the base class
[21:37] <rharper> right ?
[21:37] <blackboxsw> ahh wait I was using get_ipath() not get_ipath_cur. will try it now
[21:37] <rharper> yes
[21:37] <rharper> I saw the same thing with get_ipath vs cur
[21:38] <rharper> smells like a bug, but I've not studied the Paths() object enough to know why
[21:40] <blackboxsw> thanks  rharper. I'll make a note to file a bug about that behavior. Ok I can flip back to my previous unittests then which make use of get_ipath_cur then.
[21:41] <rharper> cool
[21:41] <blackboxsw> and I owe you a review
[21:55] <blackboxsw> rharper: I reworked https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/371823
[21:55] <blackboxsw> taking your suggestions thanks
[21:55] <blackboxsw> pushing it now. and testing live
[21:59]  * blackboxsw is reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/371906 now
[22:00] <rharper> blackboxsw: ok
[22:06] <blackboxsw> tribaal: validated latest on the vm you gave me. I've shut down that vm now so I have no more access.
[22:12] <blackboxsw> rharper: per secondary vnic v1 or v2, why are we emitting netmask and gateway in v1, but not providing either a /<prefix> in addresses or routes?
[22:25] <blackboxsw> rharper: also a followup unrelated question, would you expect that the global DNS defined in this sample should show up as sysconfig rendered config for eth0  as DNS1=<IP_ADDRESS> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZMVk5mNGNm/
[22:26] <blackboxsw> that question is part of the openstack v2 network config outstanding unit test failures I have. I'm reflecting global DNS service entries onto every device that doesn't have dhcp or it's own DNS defined
[22:28] <blackboxsw> .tox/py3/bin/nosetests tests/unittests/test_net.py on https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/feature/openstack-network-v2-multi-nic
[23:09] <blackboxsw> ahh so rharper v2 is lossy w.r.t. 'global dns'. Since v2 defines top top-level dns service values, (and we reflect dns values to each interface) sysconfig renderer doesn't know if it needs to setup /etc/resolv.conf
[23:10] <blackboxsw> *Since network v2 defines *no* top-level dns service values*
[23:11] <blackboxsw> I wonder if we need sysconfig renderer to be 'smarter' and check v2 config to see if nameservers config on each interface is the same and if identical, reflect that dns information up to top-level /etc/resolv.conf
[23:11] <blackboxsw> or if not sysconfig renderer, maybe network_state needs to be smarted about it's dns_nameservers property
[23:12] <blackboxsw> smarter rather
[23:39] <rharper> blackboxsw: re: global dns, it's only interfaces that _have_ an IP, but not dns (and we skip subnets with dhcp)
[23:41] <rharper> blackboxsw: so the goal with a global dns is to just ensure that it shows up on any interface that won't already get dns from somewhere else (like dhcp)
[23:41] <rharper> blackboxsw: so, yes, in your paste, I would expect a DNS entry in ifcfg-eth0
[23:42] <rharper> b2 does not define top-level dns, rather it's per interface under the type:  so ethernets: eth0: {nameservers: [], search: []}, eth1: {nameservers: [], search: []}, vlans: eth0.23: {nameservers: [], search: []}}}
[23:42] <rharper> s/b2/v2
[23:43] <blackboxsw> rharper: only that it is a slight difference in behavior now, instead of emitting an /etc/resolv.conf, we now append DNS1 on each etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
[23:43] <rharper> which will end up in resolv.conf
[23:43] <rharper> per distro networking
[23:43] <rharper> otherwise, what's the point of DNS value in sysconfig ?
[23:44] <blackboxsw> ahh right: dunno if we need to shore up that difference and have network_state.dns_servers track nameservers under each v1 'ethernets' object
[23:44] <blackboxsw> good pt
[23:44] <rharper> hrm, so looking at sysconfig
[23:44] <rharper> we pick up dns_nameservers from the network_state iface subnet config
[23:45] <rharper> that really shoud end up in resolv.conf
[23:46] <rharper> blackboxsw: can you paste out a dump of your network_state dict after openstack -> v2 -> network_state ?
[23:46] <rharper> I think we print the object in the unittest in a few places
[23:46] <rharper> and do you have a branch up that I can see your converter ?
[23:49] <rharper> blackboxsw: if we wanted to stay the same, then I think in network_state parsing v2, as we read in per-interface dns data, we could also append to the network_state.dns_nameservers (if the value isn't already present);
[23:51] <blackboxsw> rharper: that last statement is what I was questioning. we could do something just like that to retain top-level DNS references, though if we had distinct DNS-per interface, just leave it hanging under the interface
[23:55] <rharper> blackboxsw: some quick experiements in centos7, shows that nameserver values already in /etc/resolv.conf get overriden by DNS values from ifcfg files
[23:56] <rharper> so I really think that per-interface DNS really is the right way since global isn't really a thing
[23:56] <blackboxsw> rharper: so we could promote common dns values up to top-level via network_state.dns_servers settings. and allow unique dns to continue to live on the interface
[23:56] <blackboxsw> rharper: that works. I can leave it per interface then
[23:56] <rharper> blackboxsw: so, the only case I can think of that we should verify is that if we have a global dns in the source config, ala openstack, but no interface to put it on
[23:56] <blackboxsw> rharper: we'll have global dns in network_data.json :/
[23:57] <rharper> no, I mean ,no where to put it
[23:57] <rharper> network_data.json either gives us a static ip
[23:57] <rharper> or they dhcp
[23:57] <blackboxsw> hrm right.
[23:57] <rharper> so we always have a place to put the dns value
[23:57] <rharper> it's not really *global*