[01:02] <forgotmynick> am i the only one who feels like rsyslog has the worst documentation
[01:03] <user__> XD yes
[01:04] <forgotmynick> bruv
[01:09] <forgotmynick> With `$AddUnixListenSocket /home/forgotmynick/dev/log` (and one for each user) how do I create filters/rules (if x = y) based on the socket?
[03:14] <croran_44[m]> Anyone running 22.04? Good luck with it so far?
[03:15] <croran_44[m]> any major issues or must-have features?
[03:15] <arraybolt3[m]> croran_44: So far it's been perfect for me.
[03:15] <arraybolt3[m]> The one real problem I've seen is the Snap version of Firefox, which occasionally interferes with things like smart cards and the like. For that, you just uninstall the Snap firefox and install it from a PPA or from the tarball.
[03:15] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or you install Chrome like I did.)
[03:16] <Unit193> I'd say it depends on if you run a server, and if that server requires php 7.x.
[03:17] <croran_44[m]> ah interesting
[03:17] <croran_44[m]> Unit193: why's that? 7.x no longer available?
[03:17] <Unit193> php 8.x is what's in Jammy, yes.  This specifically hits dokuwiki.
[03:31] <croran_44[m]> ah. well the sooner php goes away the better, as far as I'm concerned.
[03:31] <croran_44[m]> I'd rather run perl cgi. lol.
[04:31] <wbrawner> /list win
[04:51] <TunaCanOut> For some reason I am missing Canonical certs apparently? I run into the same issue this person on github is having. But for me it is when I am compiling my kernel https://github.com/intel-gpu/kernel/issues/3
[05:04] <TunaCanOut> Seems I found a solution to it? Even so, Is there a way to build the certs
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> hmmm anyone got nautilus language diffferent then his own native language after recent jammy updates?
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> changed from dutch ==> english on my side
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> lets c if a reboot gonna fix that
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> ah reboot fixed it, no sweat
[06:55] <catbeard> is there an ubuntu way to get nginx to flush buffer='d access logs other than sending SIGUSR1 like maybe a systemctl command?
[09:07] <maum> hello
[09:07] <maum> how can I install pyart ?
[09:23] <gordonjcp> maum: depends how it's packaged
[09:24] <gordonjcp> maum: in general since it's a Python lib, you'd want to consider whether it's packaged as a .deb or not, and if it is a .deb is it recent enough
[09:24] <gordonjcp> maum: probably you'll need to install it with pip
[09:24] <gordonjcp> maum: you probably want to look into using virtualenvs
[09:29] <gordonjcp> bMVHGf
[09:29] <gordonjcp> 76rDDDDDDDDDDD#
[09:31] <gordonjcp> ,bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb·
[09:32] <gordonjcp> ... Ralph says hi
[10:11] <nikolam> How to kill defunct process that won't die even with kill -9.. ?
[10:12] <ravage> reboot
[10:15] <nikolam> so the cause could be something nasty.. fs or soemthing..
[10:16] <nckx> Good news it ain't.
[11:03] <dane9> Hi
[11:03] <EriC^^> hello
[11:04] <dane9> I need help making Ubuntu dual boot with windows 10 on my Dell Laptop
[11:04] <EriC^^> what exactly is the problem/question?
[11:04] <dane9> when I choose ubuntu on bootup it just lands back on Windows 10 everytime
[11:04] <propus> dane9: install windows first then install ubuntu.
[11:05] <EriC^^> dane9: can you boot a live usb to troubleshoot?
[11:05] <dane9> I used this guide:
[11:05] <dane9> https://itsfoss.com/dual-boot-hdd-ssd/
[11:05] <EriC^^> dane9: just to be clear, it never boots ubuntu right?
[11:05] <dane9> The Laptop came with Windows (10 I think) Home
[11:05] <dane9> Yes it doesn't boot into Ubuntu
[11:06] <dane9> even after selecting the option on bootup
[11:06] <dane9> I have 2 harddisks, a 256 GB SSD & a 1 TB HDD
[11:06] <EriC^^> ok, try first to disable secureboot in the bios, if it still doesnt work boot a live usb to troubleshoot
[11:07] <EriC^^> dane9: do you get the grub menu at all?
[11:07] <dane9> that's why I tried to follow that guide that suggested putting a 30 GB '/' root partition on the SSD & '/home' on the HDD (300 GB)
[11:07] <dane9> I disabled Secure Boot
[11:08] <EriC^^> ok, any grub menu?
[11:08] <dane9> When I hit F12... it gives me the option to choose Ubuntu, so I think that is the GRUB?
[11:08] <EriC^^> no, i think that's the bios boot menu
[11:08] <dane9> I'm not sure what the GRUB is
[11:08] <dane9> ok
[11:09] <dane9> If I boot with USB it might be easier to troubleshoot?
[11:09] <EriC^^> this is grub https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/sshot428.png?trim=1,1&bg-color=000&pad=1,1
[11:09] <EriC^^> yeah da
[11:09] <EriC^^> dane9
[11:10] <dane9> Also I think I didn't create a '/swap' partition, could that be a possible problem? I think that guide I read missed mentioning '/swap' though I've seen '/swap' mentioned in almost every other guide
[11:11] <dane9> Oh the GRUB I get only when the USB with Ubuntu on it is plugged in
[11:12] <EriC^> sorry i got d/c dane9
[11:12] <dane9> No Problem
[11:12] <EriC^^> anyways let me know when the live usb is up and running
[11:12] <dane9> "Oh the GRUB I get only when the USB with Ubuntu on it is plugged in" in case the message was when you got disconnected
[11:12] <EriC^^> ah i see
[11:13] <EriC^^> what dell model is it?
[11:13] <dane9> And do you think not creating a '/swap' partition could be a problem?
[11:13] <EriC^^> no, ubuntu these days uses a swapfile, same thing
[11:14] <dane9> It's a dell inspiron 3583 (couple of years old)
[11:15] <dane9> I'll try to get back after trying to boot from the USB
[11:16] <EriC^^> dane9: did you try it at all with secureboot on by any chance? it might be that dell needs secureboot enabled to boot ubuntu
[11:17] <dane9> Hmmm I could try turning secure boot on
[11:17] <EriC^^> try that, it will ask for a password i think, and that's normal for dell
[11:17] <dane9> I'll give that a shot and be back
[11:17] <EriC^^> ok
[11:17] <dane9> Yes I remember it asked me for some password when I switched secure boot off
[11:17] <EriC^^> aha
[11:18] <dane9> That password is in my hotmail ID .. I can get it again
[11:18] <dane9> I guess I'll give this a shot and be back later
[11:35] <Swift110-mobile> Ok
[11:42] <matt3> hello
[11:43] <matt3> would you like to talk about opensource ?
[11:43] <lotuspsychje_> !discuss | matt3 yes here
[11:44] <matt3> ok, thanks ...
[11:45] <matt3> a source is a txt archive with rules inside to build an app ...
[11:47] <matt3> opensource = a source ... txt files with rules + you can share legally ... ;)
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> not here please matt3
[11:47] <matt3> ok
[11:48] <matt3> ah, offtopic ?
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> or -discuss
[11:49] <matt3> ah, discuss ... ok ... thanks and i apologize ...
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:53] <dane9> Nothing worked
[12:54] <dane9> @EriC^^ still here?
[12:55] <dane9> I couldn't figure out how to install hexchat on the USB drive loaded Ubuntu
[12:55] <dane9> even tried a reinstall of the Ubuntu
[12:57] <dane9> Can someone help?
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> dane9: re-state your issue, where other volunteer(s) have left so new joiners can pickup on your issue
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> !details | dane9
[13:00] <dane9> Ok, I have a Dell Inspiron 3583 which can with Windows 10 Home. I have 2 hardisks and have tried to setup Ubuntu as dual boot. But when I choose ubuntu from the boot menu, it goes into Dell Support Assist (Performance check or something) and then lands back at Windows 10 everytime
[13:00] <dane9> Which came* with
[13:02] <dane9> I followed this https://itsfoss.com/dual-boot-hdd-ssd/
[13:07] <dane9> Someone suggested toggling secure boot on/off tried that too
[14:11] <transhumanist> please let me know if this is a topic for ubuntu-discuss instead: but how on ubuntu 22.04 do i install cuda_nvcc and cuda_llvm I tried installing nvida-cuda-dev and also nvidia-cuda-toolkit as well as libnvvm4 but ffmpeg still dumps the same config error WARNING: Disabled scale_cuda_filter because not any dependency is satisfied: cuda_nvcc cuda_llvm NOTE I have nvidia-515 installed
[14:12] <transhumanist> also I would like this configuration to also work with machine learning capability in general , but am begining to see that maybe the two are in oposition to one another
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> transhumanist: try this, but for 22.04 https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-cuda-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux
[14:14] <transhumanist> I see that one adds one command I did not use, thanks will try it
[14:18] <newbiewee> hello
[14:28] <arraybolt3[m]> dane9: You're selecting Ubuntu from the GRUB menu and it's doing this weirdness?
[14:45] <TomyLobo> I'm struggling a bit with snap. https://github.com/docker-snap/docker-snap this says there's a 20.10.17 version of the docker snap, but "snap refresh docker" won't update it even though it's on 20.10.14
[14:47] <TomyLobo> https://snapcraft.io/docker this also says "Last updated 4 May 2022", while the version I'm on is from march
[14:47] <TomyLobo> oh, .17 is considered edge
[19:09] <magga> i have this driver:  Epson ET-3750. i can find it in my Printers, but im not able to print. when i look further on the details i can't see that it finds any suitable driver. do i need to manually install a driver u guys think?
[19:09] <magga> i meant printer btw ^
[19:13] <Jeremy31> magga: might want to search on that model number with ubuntu and see if they have something on Epson website
[19:14] <magga> they did and i installed it, but nothing happend after
[19:15] <magga> https://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=EN&CN2=&DSCMI=137647&DSCCHK=ae517de606661a7af2137ef3f7c38cccc0dfb74d
[19:15] <magga> i installed that one.
[19:15] <magga> from a .deb package
[19:17] <magga> had to reboot and now it worked
[19:17] <magga> all of my 7 pending test pgaes came out xD
[19:26] <bougyman> OI, I can't get around this... https://gist.github.com/bougyman/abb38bf4bf248a9b878e4c384e4bfecd
[19:26] <bougyman> Yes, it's PopOS, I know it's off-topic-ish. But strictly dpkg-related, I've never seen this.
[19:26] <bougyman> Already done dpkg-reconfigure --force libc6:i386 (no errors) and can't get around it.
[19:27] <bougyman> Can't uninstall any of the packages that are having problems, it keeps looping on dependencies.
[19:32] <jhutchins> bougyman: Try installing Ubuntu, see if it has the same problem.  If so, we might be able to help you.
[19:32] <jhutchins> bougyman: Just because it's dpkg doesn't mean it's like Ubuntu.
[19:33] <bougyman> jhutchins: Yeah, I get that.
[19:33] <bougyman> Thought there might be some magic --force that I didn't know about.
[19:33] <bougyman> I've tried every trick I know.
[19:33] <Chunkyz> bougyman: try popos support, also read /channel
[19:33] <bougyman> This is a frame.work, so I generally stick with Pop.
[19:34] <jhutchins> Sticking with Pop is fine, just not supported here.
[19:34] <Chunkyz> Exactly 😂
[19:34] <jhutchins> bougyman: No judgement, not being mean, it's just not the same thing.
[19:34] <bougyman> Ack. Only thought someone might know a magic dpkg incantation.
[19:34] <bougyman> I've already reached out to pop support.
[19:34] <Chunkyz> Then wait.
[19:34] <bougyman> I'm not good at waiting.
[19:34] <bougyman> But I'm waiting.
[19:34] <Chunkyz> Tough.
[19:35] <jhutchins> bougyman: Do a parallel install of Ubuntu, see if it happens there.
[19:35] <jhutchins> bougyman: Something to do while you wait.
[19:36] <bougyman> jhutchins: that's not really apples to apples. I'm sure if I did a fresh install of Ubuntu _or_ Pop it wouldn't happen. This is related to upgrade path action.
[19:36] <bougyman> And it's 99% a fault in the Pop side. I was just trying to circumvent it.
[19:37] <bougyman> Usually I can uninstall the offending stuff then reinstall it and all is well.
[19:37] <bougyman> In this case, I can't get anything to uninstall.
[19:37] <bougyman> Too many layers of the onion deep, on the revdeps.
[19:38] <Chunkyz> Not #ubuntu, use your distros channel.
[19:39] <bougyman> Chunkyz: I get it. And if I don't get something satisfactory from support on this one I'll throwing official Ubuntu on this thing. I dealt with a few pop quirks already, this would be the last straw.
[20:18] <cbreak> i386? :O
[20:19] <ogra> for wine ... steam ... and some printer driverd ...
[20:19] <ogra> *drivers
[20:30] <linux_n> I ran foremost recovery and it has taken hours and still running is it suppose to take that long?
[20:31] <arraybolt3[m]> linux_n: Data recovery programs may take an extreme amount of time to function - hours sounds about right to me.
[20:33] <linux_n> arraybolt3[m]: Ok thanks.
[20:48] <bougyman> update: installing and running ppa-purge handled it
[21:18] <magga> any good suggestions for clipboard list like (windows+V) on windows has?
[21:21] <oerheks> !info copyq
[21:21] <oerheks> works good with wayland
[21:29] <magga> thanks oerheks
[21:51] <jhutchins> magga: apt search clipboard
[21:52] <jhutchins> magga: google://linux clipboard
[21:52] <jhutchins> magga: There are a lot of options, much more than Windows has.
[23:37] <morganu> Dell Optiplex 9020, 20.04: Memtest86+ locks in first cycle aka immediatly. What do I do to trace down this problem? ( I have checked temp, nope. I have switched the SIMM cards too.)
[23:43] <tomreyn> morganu: i'm not sure what you mean by "I have switched the SIMM cards too", do you mean you swapped DIMMs across available memory banks?
[23:48] <oerheks> seems like a uefi machine, maybe you need the iso from memtest itself that is compatible
[23:52] <tomreyn> morganu: with the computer locking up, you should undo any overclocking / non default optimizations and retry. if it still locks up, remove all but one DIMM, and test just that. repeat until you identify the one which causes it to freeze. if it freezes with multiple, make sure your power supply is sufficient and, if any, the extra power cable for the cpu (4 or 8 pins, or a combination of those) is connected.


[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:44] <Alexfrench> hello all
[15:45] <Alexfrench> to acces windows files from kubuntu i have to edite conf samba file ???
[15:45] <Alexfrench> samba is installed
[15:46] <Alexfrench> at this time nothing on the network icon
[15:46] <Alexfrench> both computers are on wifi
[15:47] <BluesKaj> make sure the windows files are shared
[15:47] <BluesKaj> on windows
[15:48] <Alexfrench> yes they are
[15:52] <BluesKaj> Alexfrench, I use the network>'add network folder 'on dolphin places, then choose the 'microsoft windows network drive', fill in the fields and click on 'save and connect'
[15:53] <BluesKaj> it uses the smb protocol like samba does
[15:53] <Alexfrench> i haven't microsoft drive
[15:54] <Alexfrench> only goggle
[16:03] <Alexfrench> but who cares right ??
[16:04] <BluesKaj> accessing files on another linux computer? just use add network folder with the secure shell setting
[16:05] <Alexfrench> no i said from mi kubuntu computer access to windows files through the network
[16:06] <Alexfrench> and be able to share files, music etc
[16:06] <Alexfrench> as a local network
[16:07] <BluesKaj> Alexfrench, what do you mean by "windows files"?
[16:08] <BluesKaj> microsoft windows?
[16:08] <Alexfrench> yes
[16:09] <Alexfrench> i have one principal computer on win10
[16:09] <Alexfrench> and one laptop on kubuntu
[16:09] <Alexfrench> an older one
[16:10] <BluesKaj> "microsoft windows network drive" doesn't mean a cloud drive, it means a windows pc on your network
[16:22] <Alexfrench> i said i haven't microsoft references
[16:25] <BluesKaj> you have know the windows pc pw and IP
[16:26] <BluesKaj> pw=password
[16:31] <BluesKaj> you can find the windows IP addresson the windows pc by using cmd in the search and ipconfig for IP address
[16:40] <Alexfrench> i did ip a now on kubuntu yes
[17:04] <BluesKaj> get the windows pc IP with the commands I posted ^
[17:04] <BluesKaj> have to leave for 20mins or so...bbl
[17:06] <Alexfrench> ok
[17:30] <BluesKaj> Alexfrench, can you go to the windows pc and do the commands above?


[05:25] <ikt> yay free time
[05:27] <ikt> anyone running the 12.04 final beta?
[05:29] <sagaci> yup
[05:31] <ikt> whatcha think so far?
[05:31] <sagaci> it's good so far
[05:32] <ikt> I'm getting over the anti-unity stuff pretty fast these days
[05:32] <sagaci> 11.04 unity was pretty meh but it's certainly got a lot better
[05:32] <ikt> If you hate unity so much why not use Lubuntu or Xubuntu or Kubuntu or Mint or Debian Mint or any of the thousands of other distros ?? this is linux, you're not forced to use a certain DE
[05:32] <ikt> 11.04 was the worst release of ubuntu ever I think :/
[05:32] <ikt> but then I read that instagram is running on ubuntu 11.04
[05:35] <sagaci> yup, I'll install ubuntu and kubuntu
[05:37] <benonsoftware> I'll install 12.04 when APC has it on their cover DVD
[05:38] <ikt> ah
[05:38] <ikt> you're taking the first month off to see if they fix major bugs?
[05:38] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, You don't have unmetered access to a repo through bigpond, iinet, etc?
[05:38] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Nope :(
[05:38] <ikt> http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2012/04/another-billion-dollar-open-source-company-instagram/index.htm
[05:38] <ikt> We run Ubuntu Linux 11.04 (“Natty Narwhal”) on Amazon EC2. We’ve found previous versions of Ubuntu had all sorts of unpredictable freezing episodes on EC2 under high traffic, but Natty has been solid.
[05:38] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, Who are you with?
[05:39] <benonsoftware> Telstra, but pre-paid
[05:39] <benonsoftware> and I believe they don't have unmetered stuff
[05:39] <jaddi27> ah, ok. That is quite annoying then
[05:40] <benonsoftware> Yeah that is a pain
[05:42] <benonsoftware> Price for it is bad but it will cost $300 to change ISPs
[05:42] <jaddi27> post-paid bigpond wireless gets unmetered content from http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au
[05:43] <jaddi27> i guess you could try a small file from there to see what happens
[05:43] <benonsoftware> Tired it a while, counted :(
[05:43] <benonsoftware> Post-paid bigpong is great if you have two or more things with them
[05:43] <benonsoftware> I just have the internet and that's all
[05:43] <jaddi27> ok. maybe time to write a letter to them saying it would be great if they would offer it on prepaid
[05:44] <benonsoftware> I was thinking that before, might do that when I get a free weekend
[05:56] <ikt> I don't think they'll offer it
[05:56] <ikt> just my jaded view :P
[05:56] <ikt> waiting for the nbn!
[05:57] <jaddi27> probably not, but it can't hurt to try
[06:15] <ikt> fairly happy with 12.04, I'm not sure where else ubuntu can go though
[06:15] <ikt> maybe canonical will have more support services?
[06:15] <ikt> like ubuntu one
[06:20] <sagaci> ikt: what do you mean, desktop-wise?
[06:36] <ikt> yeah
[06:36] <ikt> I don't see where else ubuntu can go DE wise
[06:39] <sagaci> there's still probably a lot of tweaks and little things to be done
[07:27] <ikt> yeah true
[07:27] <ikt> sagaci, do you have a link to the team meeting log?
[07:34] <sagaci> ikt: there wasn't an April meeting
[07:34] <ikt> oh :)
[07:34] <ikt> :( *
[07:34] <ikt> how come?
[07:38] <sagaci> everyone way busy eating chocolate
[07:53] <ikt> oh true
[10:40] <jaddi27> welcome back head_victim
[10:49] <head_victim> Evening jaddi27
[10:49] <head_victim> Just got home from a whirlwind tour of central qld
[10:50] <jaddi27> That sounds like it should have been interesting
[10:50] <head_victim> It was, I've driven about 1000kms today
[10:51] <jaddi27> That is certainly a long day then
[10:51] <jaddi27> On wednesday I drove most of the way back from Fraser Island - that drive was not as interesting as your drive would have been
[10:57] <head_victim> I drove back from an hour west of Emerald and started around 630 in the morning
[10:57] <head_victim> After the first 8 hours I got into a bit of a trance I think
[11:00] <sagaci> the wheels on the car go round and round
[11:02] <head_victim> And if you're on qld roads they even go up and down a bit too much
[11:10] <jaddi27> head_victim, What are the general guidelines on re-applying for membership? I only got 2/4 votes at the meeting during the week, so was unsuccessful in the application
[11:10] <head_victim> I actually logged in and saw that. As long as you address the feedback provided there is no set timeline.
[11:10] <head_victim> From what I read they didn't see enough supporting documentation (testimonials)
[11:11] <jaddi27> Ok. The only feedback I got was more testimonials
[11:11] <jaddi27> yes
[11:11] <head_victim> If that was the only concern raised then once you've fixed that issue I'd reapply.
[11:11] <head_victim> I was going to suggest you ask around but I saw you already had a couple of volunteers to write some.
[11:11] <jaddi27> Ok. What are the general number of testimonials you need?
[11:12] <jaddi27> I got one from sagaci - it was just slightly too late for the meeting
[11:12] <head_victim> Enough to prove to other random members that the claims you've made in your wiki application are supported.
[11:12] <jaddi27> and benonsoftware said that he would try to do one during the week
[11:12] <head_victim> So if you're claiming to triage 100s of bugs you'd expect to see a couple of known bug team members giving testimonials.
[11:13] <jaddi27> Right. I have mainly just done translations and loco things, so the main people would be you, sagaci and benonsoftware that I know more
[11:13] <head_victim> Pretty much sounds like it.
[11:14] <jaddi27> Hopefully that will be enough
[11:14] <head_victim> I must admit if I only saw one testimonial on an applicants page I'd be a bit unsure myself.
[11:14] <jaddi27> Yes, I was about to take my name off the list for the last meeting
[11:15] <jaddi27> I can completely understand why they thought that
[11:18] <sagaci> the next A/O meeting is during UDS
[11:18] <sagaci> around 4am Oakland time
[11:18] <jaddi27> So I am guessing you won't be there sagaci?
[11:19] <jaddi27> Should I wait for another month after that?
[11:19] <sagaci> nah
[11:19] <head_victim> As long as it's written on the wiki page and "signed" (using the @SIG@ wiki command) it should be just as good as being there
[11:20] <sagaci> actually 3am
[11:20] <jaddi27> Well that's a bit better then :P
[11:21] <sagaci> sydney event in 6 days
[11:22] <jaddi27> The facebook event has been created, but it did not automatically invite all the group members,which is annoying
[11:23] <head_victim> I can tweet/dent it if no one else gets a cahnce. If anyone else has time and wants to do it go ahead. Just make sure you link to the loco.u.c event page with the details
[11:26] <head_victim> jaddi27: nice work with the lp as well
[11:27] <jaddi27> head_victim, I can tweet it if you want
[11:27] <head_victim> jaddi27: go for it, as long as it's team related and we're not sending 10 a day feel free
[11:28] <jaddi27> Ok
[11:28] <jaddi27> I will just set something up, and then tweet it
[11:28] <jaddi27> dent it, actually
[11:29] <head_victim> Yeah it's set up if you send it to the identica account it will autopopulate to the twitter one
[11:29] <head_victim> The only gotcha is identica will allow a couple extra characters in it's limit I think so don't cut it too close or it doesn't go across to twitter.
[12:06] <sagaci> chrom{e,ium} has a shocking en_AU dictionary
[12:54] <jaddi27> sagaci, time to change to firefox :)
[12:55] <sagaci> but chrome is much better is other ways
[12:55] <sagaci> and up until two days ago, I was a retired translator
[12:56] <jaddi27> i can do more tomorrow - i have an exam tomorrow, so am doing study for that instead of translations at the moment
[12:56] <jaddi27> sorry about that
[12:57] <sagaci> I'm doing them in order of priority
[12:57] <sagaci> I doubt we'll get 17,000 done in 10 days


[11:20] <bilalakhtar> good morning
[11:32] <megabraker> hi everyone, am a python dev using tkinter , is it possible to insert flash animations in a tkinter canvas ? is gif animmation would be aother choice? and thanks
[11:32] <megabraker> *animation *another
[11:32] <megabraker> sory
[11:32] <megabraker> i thought my self in tcl chanel
[11:32] <megabraker> XD
[13:12] <zaytsev> Ahoj
[13:12] <zaytsev> Could someone please tell me what would be the procedure to claim ownership of pre-created LP projects, such as this one: https://launchpad.net/mc
[13:13] <zaytsev> I dropped a message to the owner, but didn't get any response at all after few months
[13:15] <sladen> zaytsev: I'm not sure, and chances are that they aren't around at the weekend anyway.  If you file something on:  https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug  hopefully it'll get answered during the week
[13:19] <zaytsev> sladen, thanks, filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/618198 .
[13:23] <sladen> zaytsev: thanks!  If you haven't got it solved during this week, come back to me and I'll try and find somebody directly
[13:24] <sladen> zaytsev: (but hopefully you will have!)
[13:24] <zaytsev> sladen, thanks again :) let's see


[02:26] <daftykins> tum-te-tum
[03:24] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoytS3930aY - GTA V PC 60fps trailer
[05:00] <mapps> this series american crime is good
[05:13] <mapps> will prob start game of thrones soon;)
[05:14] <daftykins> i've never been into that more fantasy type stuff
[05:16] <mapps> i wasnt interested..but everyone rants and raves about it..so i figure i should check it
[05:16] <mapps> gonna see fast and frious 7 on monday
[05:16] <mapps> O_o
[05:18] <daftykins> lol
[09:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:57] <zmoylan-pi> greetings mammals, reptiles, amphibians, bacteria.  but not viruses...
[10:04] <brobostigon> morning zmoylan-pi
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> so has everyone stuffed their faces with easter eggs?
[12:29] <brobostigon> no.
[12:42] <zmoylan-pi> holding out till tomorrow when they'll all be on sale? :-P
[12:44] <brobostigon> nah, i dont get chocolate eggs, due to being allergic to cows milk.
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> no chocolate at all...
[12:45] <brobostigon> they do make chocolate with soya milk/
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> hands up those who think that is chocolate... :-)
[12:50] <shauno> I don't do easter eggs because it feels like there's some rule against buying them for yourself :)
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> that's why you buy a few for friends and accidently have one left over... :-)
[12:53] <brobostigon> :)
[12:54] <shauno> I did go out to the aran islands though, so the 'holiday weekend' doesn't feel like a complete wash
[12:54] <zmoylan-pi> it's a desolate barren wasteland... :-)
[12:56] <shauno> ah it's fun to go cycle around.  and I met some rather enthusiastic folk from saskatchewan
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> is it this weekend they have the fr. ted celebration there?
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> ah, last month
[16:49] <Myrtti> the best usage for a 4K display: watching youtube videos of frying bacon.
[16:49] <Myrtti> well, actually I disagree, the best video so far was mini cooking
[16:54] <Myrtti> pocket cooking 4k
[17:00] <m0nkey_> He likes his new toy, huh?
[17:03] <diddledan> I want new toys
[17:03] <Myrtti> he does.
[17:03] <m0nkey_> I'm waiting for my new PC parts to be delivered. Hopefully they're show up tomorrow.
[17:04] <diddledan> bank holiday here tomorrow
[17:04] <m0nkey_> Not here
[17:04] <m0nkey_> UPS is open tomorrow.
[17:04] <diddledan> bloomin foreigners :-p
[17:04] <Myrtti> expats
[17:04] <Myrtti> or emigrants
[17:04] <diddledan> same diff :-D
[17:04] <diddledan> treehee
[17:04]  * m0nkey_ drools thinking about his i5 and GTX960
[17:05] <diddledan> grr
[17:05] <diddledan> I do fancy myself a titan-x
[17:05] <diddledan> overkill somewhat methinks :-p
[17:06] <m0nkey_> This is everything I ordered. Minus the Windows license.. http://secure.newegg.ca/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=20107689
[17:06] <m0nkey_> Also, didn't get the RAM or Blu-ray.. Have RAM, have a DVD-burner I'm going to use in the mean time.
[17:07] <zmoylan-pi> no floppy drive? :-)
[17:07] <diddledan> I don't suppose ther mobo has an FDC
[17:07] <zmoylan-pi> 5.25" just to confuse people...
[17:07] <m0nkey_> Only SATA. IDE and AT connections are surprisingly absent.
[17:08] <zmoylan-pi> not connected or anything, just in the front of the case connected to power so it lights up...
[17:08] <directhex> it's 2015.
[17:08] <diddledan> I've got a 5.25" fdd in my c2q machine
[17:08] <zmoylan-pi> so no punch cards!! :-P
[17:08] <directhex> including an IDE connector involves adding an entire PCI bus, to add a PCI IDE controller
[17:09] <m0nkey_> I think I went a little overboard with a 500GB SSD :)
[17:10] <zmoylan-pi> when you could have gotten a 4tb hdd cheaper... :-)
[17:10] <diddledan> I've got an evo 1TB in my desktop
[17:10] <m0nkey_> Heh, that's what the NAS is for.
[17:10] <m0nkey_> Got 4x2TB drives in that
[17:10] <directhex> all of which are discontinued now anyway
[17:26] <shauno> I was actually just looking at a NAS.  I'm not entirely clear on what Synology are trying to do?
[17:26] <shauno> they seem to have a good reputation, but it says it has a dhcp server but not a dhcp client, vpn support, etc .. it seems like it's trying to be more than a disk in a box?
[17:27] <zmoylan-pi> i think all the nas try to be more than a nas these days.
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> a cpu with delusions of server
[17:30] <m0nkey_> shauno, built my own running FreeNAS
[17:31] <m0nkey_> Depends on how much you want to spend.  For me, it was the latter.
[17:32] <m0nkey_> Got an E3 Xeon, 16GB ECC, 4x2TB for about the price of a fully loaded Synology.
[17:32] <shauno> I was looking at that, but the mythical cheap hp microservers don't seem to exist here
[17:33] <m0nkey_> Wow, the british pound is a rip-off right now.
[17:34] <m0nkey_> Same box over here is under $400 .. http://www.ebuyer.com/670719-lenovo-thinkserver-ts140-4gb-xeon-e3-1226-v3-3-3ghz-1tb-hdd-tower-server-70a50022uk
[17:34] <zmoylan-pi> strong currency = less exports but great if you want to go on holiday
[17:34] <m0nkey_> This is another box popular with FreeNAS. http://www.ebuyer.com/517760-hp-proliant-gen8-g1610t-microserver-712317-421
[17:35] <shauno> yeah, that's the one I was looking at.  the irish price is quite a bit higher  lol
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> might have a look around dublin for pi 2 again, and pick up more ammo for my nerfs
[17:35] <m0nkey_> I forgot you're in Ireland now.
[17:36] <shauno> HP list it starting over 500e :/
[17:36] <diddledan> ooh, the microserver has cashback again
[17:37] <shauno> yeah.  that's the other catch.  the cashback thing doesn't run very often here.  not since christmas 2013 :/
[17:37] <diddledan> 119.99 is an awesome deal
[17:37] <shauno> and ebuyer don't deliver to ireland anymore because they're still stamping their feet over the VAT thing :/
[17:37] <diddledan> grr
[17:39] <m0nkey_> shauno, don't you get the 1 quid trips to the UK? :)
[17:40] <shauno> heh, that wouldn't help much .. everything's mail-order these days
[17:40] <shauno> (and HP won't honor the £100 cashback thing here, you have to wait until the irish version is running)
[17:41] <mapps> argh
[17:41] <mapps> i set windows to 'do nothing' when i plug in my android phone..now i cant get it to show the phone as a usb mass storage device..ow can i reset that so when i plug the phone in it opens the drive up in a folder view
[17:44] <mapps> grmpf
[17:44] <diddledan> phones don't default to mass storag3e mode
[17:45] <diddledan> if it's android you need to select the option from the notifications dropdown
[17:45] <mapps> im on windows8..i cant see that
[17:45] <diddledan> pulldown**
[17:45] <mapps> diddledan i mean before whe ni plugged the phone in it came up asking what to do
[17:45] <mapps> i chose do nothing
[17:45] <mapps> oops:P
[17:46] <diddledan> on the phone, not in windows
[17:46] <mapps> yea
[17:46] <mapps> i get what you mean therebut when you plug a phone into a windows machine it has that popup remember saying what do you want to do
[17:46] <mapps> open files etc
[17:47] <diddledan> yes I know
[17:47] <diddledan> that won't magically put the phone in mass storage mode tho
[17:47] <mapps> yea i went to storag and ie ticked media device (mtp)
[17:47] <mapps> but it still doesnt show in windows..it doesnt bring that window up since i clicked do nothing
[17:48] <diddledan> tried using explorer?
[17:48] <mapps> yep
[17:48] <diddledan> 'cos if it's mounted you'll see it there
[17:48] <diddledan> if it ain't then  windows doesn't kno9w what it is
[17:49] <mapps> yea
[17:49] <mapps> because i selected do nothing no?
[17:49] <mapps> gah
[17:49] <mapps> this sucks
[17:49] <diddledan> no
[17:49] <zmoylan-pi> the flaw as i see it is you're using windows... :-)
[17:49] <mapps> well it's set asmedia device (mtp) on the phone
[17:49] <diddledan> do nothing just tells it not to open new windows
[17:50] <diddledan> it'll still mount if it would have shown you that prompt but doesn't because you said not to
[17:50] <diddledan> mtp isn't mass storage
[17:51] <mapps> thought it was
[17:51] <mapps> well then how do i set it as mass storage
[17:51] <diddledan> mtp is a shim because the phone would need to unmount to allow the computer exclusiver access
[17:51] <mapps> i only see
[17:51] <mapps> mtp or ptp]
[17:52] <diddledan> ptp is for photos
[17:52] <diddledan> mtp is for music
[17:52] <mapps> ya
[17:52] <mapps> wheres mass storage option then i see nothing
[17:53] <diddledan> tried prodding the mtp  notice?
[17:53] <mapps> notice? i ticked the tickbox on the android settings and nothing else happens;)
[17:54] <diddledan> have you even looked in the notifications pulldoiwn that I said to at the beginning?
[17:54] <mapps> yea
[17:54] <mapps> nothing there
[17:54] <diddledan> there should be a notice that usb is connected
[17:55] <mapps> honestly nothing
[17:55] <diddledan> if there isn't then usb isn't connected
[17:55] <mapps> its connected to the laptop
[17:55] <mapps> but no notification
[17:56] <mapps> aha
[17:56] <mapps> now it says connected as camera
[17:56] <mapps> yay its working again:DDD
[17:56] <diddledan> what did you change?
[17:57] <mapps> just unplugged cvable a few times
[17:57] <mapps> maybe its just a dodgy cable;/
[17:57] <zmoylan-pi> and logged in as nsa... :-)
[17:57] <mapps> altho it did make the noise that a usb device was plugged in
[17:59] <mapps> but its connected as a media device
[17:59] <mapps> so i cant transfer files
[17:59] <mapps> lol
[18:01] <directhex> you can do mostly arbitrary file transfer over MTP
[18:01] <mapps> hm
[18:01] <directhex> but iirc MSC as an option is gone in stock android
[18:01] <mapps> yea it is
[18:01] <mapps> im just getting pesky errors
[18:01] <mapps> device is disconnected or not responding but i can browse the fs
[18:01] <mapps> and i can use the phone so it is working;)
[18:14] <popey> \o/ mtp
[18:40] <dogmatic69_> eh, you can get steam gift cards at tesco now
[19:40] <penguin42> blade runner is still a great film
[19:44] <zmoylan-pi> which version? :-)
[19:45] <penguin42> final, just seen it in a cinema
[19:46] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, saw it had been rereleased, have it on dvd but might make a pilgramage to see it on big screen
[19:48] <penguin42> yeh, always wanted to see it on the big screen
[19:48] <zmoylan-pi> with good sound system for vangelis soundtrack
[19:49] <penguin42> yes, excellent - and it was digital projection
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> like 2001 before it set the standard by which scifi was measured and still has resonance today
[19:52] <penguin42> nod
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> and considering it was done before cgi the effects were excellent
[19:53] <penguin42> actually the cityscapes work great on the big screen which really shows you how well done it is
[21:52] <shauno> silly question, but does steam still work for everyone else?
[21:54] <popey> wfm
[21:55] <shauno> hm.  I keep getting "cannot connect to the steam network"
[21:55] <popey> lemme close / reopen it
[21:55] <zmoylan-pi> maybe a ddos?
[21:55] <popey> hah
[21:55] <popey> you bast
[21:55] <popey> I can't connect now :)
[21:56] <shauno> lol, you're welcome
[21:56] <popey> re-entered my pw and its back in
[21:56] <shauno> this is the problem I'm having.  I don't know my password.  and the recovery bit seems even more out-of-service than the login bit
[21:56] <popey> i spy bigcalm playing games
[21:59] <bigcalm> Is Steam telling tails?
[22:00] <popey> ya
[22:01] <bigcalm> Hopefully it will be saying that I'm playing GTA V on the 14th
[22:02] <bigcalm> E_TOO_MUCH_CHOCOLATE
[22:02]  * bigcalm wanders off to his Easter coma
[22:04] <diddledan> well done, bigcalm
[22:06]  * penguin42 isn't sure such an overflow condition is possible
[22:09]  * bashrc has not consumed much chocolate
[22:12] <Myrtti> our Cities started crashing and got it working by putting Steam on offline mode.
[22:12] <Myrtti> that was weird
[22:12] <Myrtti> happened few hours ago tho
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> i had some cheap choccy digestives with coffee earlier. was never into easter eggs, they always seem such bad value
[22:12] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: That's why I start hunting them on Tuesday
[22:12] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: oh you should try the Finnish Mignon eggs
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> be careful, a cornered easter egg is dangerous... :-)
[22:12] <Myrtti> unless you're allergic to eggs or hazelnuts
[22:13] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: I can imagine, they're not used to corners
[22:13] <Myrtti> too bad they can't really be found anywhere
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> i used to like kinder eggs but the toys in them over the last decade have gotten terrible
[22:13] <Myrtti> mignon eggs are hazelnut nougat filled real eggshells
[22:14] <Myrtti> it's like five tablespoons of solid Nutella
[22:14] <Myrtti> well actually it's tastes even better than Nutella
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> used to be you got tiny parts to assemble but health and safety eliminated those
[22:16] <zmoylan-pi> and they changed the recipie of cadbury creme eggs
[22:20] <popey> 23:01 < bigcalm> Hopefully it will be saying that I'm playing GTA V on the 14th
[22:20] <popey> same
[22:20] <popey> I may take the day off
[22:20] <popey> assuming it downloads ahead of time
[22:20] <popey> also need to consider a new video card
[22:28] <m0nkey_> PCMR still don't have GTA V?
[22:31] <popey> yeah, 9 days
[22:32] <m0nkey_> Heh, I've played through it twice. Once on PS3, then again on PS4. In fact, still play online on PS4. Great fun, you're going to love it!
[22:32] <m0nkey_> I may even triple dip and get for PC too
[22:33] <popey> :)
[22:33] <popey> I've not played at all
[22:33] <popey> Just watched quite a lot of youtubers playing it
[22:33] <m0nkey_> Seriously, you're in for a treat!
[22:34] <popey> \o/
[22:34] <m0nkey_> It's fantastic on PS4, can only imaging what it'll be like on PC.
[22:34]  * m0nkey_ 's PC parts should arrive tomorrow
[22:34] <popey> I have not pre-ordered on steam before
[22:34] <popey> what video card you getting / got?
[22:34] <m0nkey_> Erm..
[22:34] <m0nkey_> ASUS Strix GTX 960
[22:35]  * popey adds to list to look at
[22:35] <m0nkey_> All of this: http://secure.newegg.ca/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=20107689
[22:35] <m0nkey_> Minus the RAM, Win8.1 and Blu-ray
[22:36] <m0nkey_> I have RAM, I have a DVD-writer. They can wait to be upgraded.
[22:36] <popey> i5, interesting
[22:36] <m0nkey_> The Strix GTX960 is supposed to be almost silent.
[22:36] <m0nkey_> Fans only come on under heavy load
[22:36] <m0nkey_> PSU is also silent
[22:36] <popey> is this to go under telly?
[22:37] <popey> i like the case
[22:37] <m0nkey_> Nope, but it is in the living room, so I want it to be quiet.
[22:37] <m0nkey_> They case is gorgeous! I have that part already.
[22:37] <popey> wise
[22:37] <popey> ooh, bed time
[22:37] <popey> will look at that in the morning, thanks!
[22:37] <m0nkey_> All vents have dust guards
[22:39] <m0nkey_> I may get a 240mm radiator for CPU liquid cooling, but going to start off with stock.
[22:41] <penguin42> I found the stock i7 cooler on my i7-860 (5 years old now ish) was awful - CPU hit 90c, put a decent fan on and it never blinks
[22:46] <m0nkey_> Hmm, Windows 8.1 is $107. It appears to have gone down $12.
[22:46] <m0nkey_> Going to need a Windows license for my Windows only gaming :/
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> could surround the case with cushions for sound dampening... finally a use for cushions... :-)
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> does a windows licence give you the right to hunt a windows pc? :-P
[22:50] <m0nkey_> Something like that
[22:51] <webpigeon> Careful it's not an upgrade licence or something
[22:52] <m0nkey_> It's a retail license
[22:52] <m0nkey_> Direct from the MS store
[23:50] <daftykins> m0nkey_: hrmm i wouldn't bother if i were you :P
[23:50] <daftykins> the pirates are getting 10 free! :)
[23:51] <m0nkey_> meh
[23:51] <m0nkey_> there's got to be a catch
[23:52] <daftykins> it is possible that they'll charge a nominal fee, but they've been quite vague about it so far
[23:53] <zmoylan-pi> suspiciously vague
[23:53] <m0nkey_> to be fair, I don't mind paying. had I still be at home, living with my parents, then yeah.. I'd pirate it. But today, I don't mind paying for software where it's warranted.
[23:53] <daftykins> :)
[23:54] <daftykins> i've always bought Windows when there's been a good new version
[23:54] <daftykins> XP back in the day, then 7
[23:54] <m0nkey_> I'm probably the only person in the world that has a legal Office 2010 license
[23:54] <daftykins> i did foolishly get the £20 win8 upgrade but i somewhat regret that
[23:54] <daftykins> haha
[23:54] <zmoylan-pi> windows for workgroups 3.11 :-)
[23:54] <m0nkey_> I think 8.1 is pretty good.
[23:54] <zmoylan-pi> peer to peer networking, printer sharing...
[23:55] <m0nkey_> I bought Windows 7 back when, I bought Windows 8 upgrade when they did the promo. 8 sucked, 8.1 is pretty good.
[23:55] <daftykins> i'm still not very fond since if i lay my finger down on the centre-right of the touchpad, it brings up the charms menu
[23:56] <daftykins> i'm sure there are ways to stop the kinda 'hot zones' but i'm still not fond
[23:56] <zmoylan-pi> charms on windows 8 was unusable, i think they've eliminated them on 10
[23:56] <m0nkey_> anywho.. Win10 will be a free upgrade
[23:56] <daftykins> seems that way yeah
[23:57] <m0nkey_> So, I either buy 8.1 now, or wait till July.
[23:57] <daftykins> indeed! i'm feeling oddly quite excited about 10
[23:57] <daftykins> right time to get some food on :P
[23:57] <m0nkey_> the tech preview is actually pretty good


[14:03] <brainwash> please mark bug 1202793 as "wishlist"
[14:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1202793 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "disable caps lock needed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202793