 Hello. I participate in the Ubuntu Unity project and ended up discovering this group by chance.  I had these ideas for logos, I'll leave it here with you:

 I think we already have a logo for this, but thank you!
[06:47] <Maik> you gotta love the telegram bridges..... yikes
 I love it
 This group typically becomes active a lot more pre-release


[00:00] <surunveri> any ideas what kubuntu-related or kubuntu-update-related  might suddenly cause extra load for the computer
[00:00] <surunveri> ?
[00:01] <kaddi> Hi, I keep getting these errors with kubuntu: http://pastebin.com/DjjsrZVb and during those the system will temporarily freeze. Is there soemthing I can do to fix this? I ran fsck a couple of times already but it doesnt seem to be helping
[01:14] <Lykanthrop> hi there
[01:16] <Lykanthrop> somebody can help me with a sound problem under kubuntu 10.10 maverick?
[01:17] <bajk-tragbar> hm
[01:17] <bajk-tragbar> any ideas what causes gthose constant wifi drops?
[01:18] <bajk-tragbar> I can connect to the Wifi network and ikt works fine
[01:18] <bajk-tragbar> but after a short time, i recognize icq being disconnected and no response to browser webpages
[01:18] <bajk-tragbar> but network manager still states it being ocnnected
[01:18] <bajk-tragbar> neither the signal strengh, nor the ip or something dropps or is forgotten but i just get no connection anymore
[01:18] <bajk-tragbar> pinging the router doesnt work for example as well
[01:22] <howlymowly> hi poeple..  short question:   I am trying to use the nm-applet with kubuntu 10.10 bit it lways says:  "an instance of nm-applet is already running",  when I try to start it...
[01:23] <howlymowly> do I first have to close the knetworkmanager applet?  and if so.. how do i do that? i think its a plasma-widgte..  I disabled it in the systray..  but still no effect
[01:23] <Daskreech> killall nm-applet ?
[01:23] <howlymowly> Daskreech: that has no effect....
[01:24] <howlymowly> "no process found" :)
[01:24] <Daskreech> Right click the network applet -> remove this applet ?
[01:24] <howlymowly> Daskreech: already done,  no effect...
[01:25] <Daskreech> ps aux | grep nm ?
[01:25] <howlymowly> I also search in system activities but there is nothing like knetworkmanager or nm-applet running in there...
[01:26] <howlymowly> hmm.. Daskreechnow with your command there is something...  hold on
[01:27] <howlymowly> Daskreech: http://www.pasteall.org/17814
[01:28] <Daskreech> you can kill that process id but methinks you'll drop from the net
[01:29] <howlymowly> hmm...  kk.. let me ty
[01:30] <bajk-tragbar> lol, now tethering my wlan via cellphone..
[01:30] <howlymowly> hmm... Daskreech  dhclient gets immediatly restartet
[01:30] <bajk-tragbar> since otherwise the connection drops permanenty
[01:31] <bajk-tragbar> any ideas why wlan stops workign after a few seconds of connection?
[01:37] <howlymowly> Daskreech: solved it:   system-settings  -> startup and shutdown -> service manager
[01:37] <howlymowly> ther you disable "network manager user settings"
[01:38] <howlymowly> :)  just in case another one has the same question
[01:46] <harolddong> with 4.6 rc i'm an error saying that "akonadi server is too old".  Does this mean it still needs to be updated for the rc or is something else going on?
[01:59] <Lykanthrop> anyone has an idea for my problem, described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1652696 ?
[03:54] <royale1223> Hi
[04:14] <FloridaGuy> whats the best file system for a live usb stick
[04:44] <rtdos> @floridaguy, dolphin.
[04:44] <rtdos> are there any basic interpreters for linux command line?
[05:33] <abusski> i want a software and it password breKING WESTERN UNION ACCOUNTs
[06:03] <rtdos> how do i permanently disable fast user switching?
[06:35] <weslin> hello
[06:35] <weslin> is anybody there?
[07:32] <Thrik_> ran last night's security update for 10.04. After reboot, i'm not getting sound in flightgear or via the browser (youtube). amarok and startup audio works fine. i read online but none of the solutions work for my problem. this is the output in flightgearhttp://pastebin.ca/2029469
[07:48] <Thrik_> ran last night's security update for 10.04. After reboot, i'm not getting sound in flightgear or via the browser (youtube). amarok and startup audio works fine. i read online but none of the solutions work for my problem. this is the output in flightgear http://pastebin.ca/2029469
[08:42] <pingusman> How can have the wallpapers of compiz in KDE without kill the plasma-desktop ?
[08:54] <Torch> pingusman: you can have any wallpaper you like in plasma desktop, from compiz or anywhere else
[08:55] <Torch> pingusman: just right click the desktop, pick desktop settings and set the wallpaper in the dialog.
[08:58] <pingusman> Torch: I want different wallpaper on each side of compiz cube
[09:00] <Torch> pingusman: i can't really follow you... do you perhaps mean you want different wallpapers on each virtual desktop?
[09:02] <pingusman> How can disable the color option in the Desktop Settings or how can make it transparent ?
[09:09] <Yandzee> hi there
[09:10] <Yandzee> people, tell me please name of gtk theme for kde
[09:12] <yofel> the default gtk theme used by ubuntu should be QtCurve
[09:12] <yofel> *used by Kubuntu
[09:14] <Yandzee> i want a normal theme gtk+ for kde (to see gtk+ apps)
[09:14] <Yandzee> i found it!
[09:15] <Yandzee> how to install theme?
[09:25] <Yandzee> how to install oxygen-gtk-1.0.0 theme?
[09:25] <rork> Yandzee: you can set the theme in System Settings > Appearance > GTK+ Appearance
[09:26] <voicu> this is stupid, where did the advanced settings tab go in system settings?
[09:26] <Yandzee> i know. how to add theme in that list?
[09:27] <rork> voicu: which kubuntu version?
[09:27] <voicu> 10.10
[09:28] <voicu> i think some of the settings that were in the advanced tab are now in the main window but not all of them
[09:28] <rork> voicu: I thought General and Advanced were merged there
[09:28] <voicu> rork: ye, but some are missing
[09:29] <rork> voicu: what are you looking for then?
[09:29] <voicu> the grub editor
[09:30] <rork> Yandzee: in that menu there's a button "Change search paths" did you copy the theme in any of the paths listed there?
[09:30] <Yandzee> i'm trying now
[09:32] <Yandzee> CMake Error: your CXX compiler: "CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER-NOTFOUND" was not found.   Please set CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER to a valid compiler path or name.
[09:32] <Yandzee> how to fix this?
[09:32] <rork> voicu: I don't have a grub editor in 10.04's advanced system settings
[09:33] <voicu> Yandzee: apt-get install build-essential
[09:33] <Torch> Yandzee: you need a working c++ compiler.
[09:33] <Yandzee> gcc is installed
[09:33] <Torch> Yandzee: g++ apparently is not
[09:33] <voicu> rork: hmm ok, maybe i need to install a package ?
[09:36] <Torch> voicu: the grub editor module is not part of the KDE SC, so when it's gone this has nothing to do with the systemsettings reorganisation
[09:37] <voicu> Torch: aha, do you know the package for the grub editor?
[09:38] <Torch> voicu: no, sorry.
[09:38] <voicu> ok, i'll look some more then
[09:39] <rork> voicu: startupmanager seems to give you some basic options: set the default OS, and change the resolution
[09:42] <voicu> rork: ye it's good, thanks :)
[09:43] <rork> you're welcome
[09:51] <speedvin> Hello!
[09:56] <merch> люди
[09:56] <merch> какой клиент под аську посоветуете?
[09:58] <volodya> !ru
[10:54] <pingusman> How can have the wallpapers of compiz in KDE without kill the plasma-desktop ?
[11:13] <wootz> hey guys
[11:25] <miniBill> I cannot play an audio CD
[11:32] <wootz> care to elaborate there miniBill?
[11:32] <miniBill> I tried various methods
[11:33] <miniBill> play with amarok from the menu of removable devices
[11:33] <miniBill> drag 'n drop of .wav files from cd directory to amarok
[11:33] <miniBill> pressing play in dolphin
[11:33] <miniBill> none worked
[11:33] <miniBill> audio works fine, though
[11:33] <wootz> do other cds work?
[11:34] <miniBill> no
[11:34] <miniBill> but dolphin shows the correct number of tracks, as .wav
[11:34] <wootz> you tried rythembox aswell?
[11:35] <miniBill> I've never used rythmbox, how to play cd from it?
[11:36] <wootz> sorry gotta run. just run rythembox with the cd in it should recognize it.
[11:36] <miniBill> it doesnt :(
[11:37]  * miniBill solved with rythmbox
[12:16] <Guschti> Hallo
[12:20] <kifeur> hi
[12:21] <kifeur> I've installed kubuntu on this pc. how do I install skype?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> kifeur: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[12:34] <kifeur> thanks a lot @ gnomefreak
[12:34] <gnomefreak> np
[12:35]  * gnomefreak likes easy questions :)
[12:53] <chonlatee> my kubuntu crash when i open kmess and kopete
[13:06] <Guschti> Grr
[13:42] <kifeur> hi
[13:43] <kifeur> I've installed kubuntu and vlc
[13:43] <kifeur> but I'm not able to play a dvd. some codecs seems to be missing
[13:43] <kifeur> how can I install all the main video codecs
[13:43] <kifeur> ?
[13:45] <Guest18014> kifeur: you need to install libdvdcss package to run encrypted dvds
[13:46] <kifeur> thanks
[13:46] <Guest18014>  sudo apt-get install libdvdread4
[13:46] <Guest18014>  sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[13:46] <Guest18014> then it should work
[13:48] <kifeur> thanks a lot
[13:55] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:58] <alpha-aquilae> hi everybody. I want to make some modifications (in the source code) in a desktop widget. how can i do this?
[14:04] <whilo> hey, i have a problem with lp.
[14:05] <whilo> the ktorrent build here: https://launchpad.net/~christian-weilbach/+archive/magneticlove/+packages says that it can't resolve the dependency to libktorrent although the strings of version match?
[14:06] <whilo> i have had a higher misconcepted version string before, but have deleted the files and retried building since yesterday
[14:06] <whilo> am i right here?
[14:15] <yofel> whilo: let me look
[14:15] <sourcemaker> The use of GnuPG Agent is enabled in GnuPG's configuration file... However, the agent does not seem to be running. What wrong?
[14:16] <yofel> whilo: ktorrent should build depend on 'libktorrent-dev (>= 1.1~beta0~)' - not >= 1.1~beta0
[14:16] <yofel> since your libktorrent is << 1.1~beta0
[14:16] <yofel> adding the ~ should make it work
[14:18] <yofel> whilo: a better place to ask this would be #ubuntu-packaging though
[14:31] <BluesKaj> whilo, maybe you could just use the default ktorrent from the package manager , sometimes "builds" aren't worth the troubles that come with dev apps
[14:31] <BluesKaj> personally I prefer deluge
[14:37] <rtdos> how do i permanently disable fast user switching?
[14:44] <whilo> BluesKaj: well in this case i need this upstream version for my own package
[14:44] <whilo> ktorrent 4.1beta1 will likely be released soon
[14:47] <BluesKaj> whilo,you could ask in #ktorrent
[14:50] <yofel> since this is purely packaging related asking in #ktorrent probably won't help though
[14:57] <whilo> ok rebuilding now, thanks for the help guys!
[15:05] <BluesKaj> interesting that some ppl feel they need the devel/upstream versions , unless they are developers themselves . I"m using a dev build of mplayer , but the resulting app wasn't worth all the trouble of building the app from tar and make and make install plus acouple of warnings about libs that were missing
[15:30] <whilo> build worked, thx!
[16:02] <ubuntu_> kjf
[16:11] <kgbra> hi. I'd like to know if I can install kde with my ubuntu ?
[16:11] <kgbra> I already tried it but I always had sound problems
[16:11] <kgbra> In the new 10.10 version*
[16:11] <kgbra> I didnt have any sound
[16:11] <rtdos> how do i replace OpenJava with SunJava?
[16:12] <rtdos> OpenJava does not work on certain sites. :-(
[16:13] <kgbra> certains sites ?
[16:13] <rtdos> www.pogo.com for example.
[16:13] <rtdos> it just hangs when loading a java applet.
[16:18] <kgbra> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/java read it if you understand 'la langue de Molière"
[16:24] <BluesKaj> kgbra, if you have sound probs , make sure you have the (k)ubuntu-restricted-extras installed, that will take care of java and flash and plugins for browsers etc
[16:24] <BajK_> Where's the policykit configuration tool in systemsettings? o.O
[16:25] <mfraz74> BluesKaj: I didn't think kubunu-restricted-extras installed java anymore
[16:25] <BajK_> I want to enable me installing packages without having to enter my password but entering "Policies" (Berechtigungen, German) in the search box renders all icons grey but the term is recognized (in the dropdown list)
[16:31] <BluesKaj> kgbra, also open alsamixer in the terminal and make sure all the boxes at the bottom are unmuted using the M key , and the arrow keys to navigate and ctrl the volume
[16:32] <BluesKaj> unmuted=00
[16:33] <mats> My Kontact is broken in Lucid after updating. It needs libkontactinterface.so.4, but I can't install the libkontactinterface4 package. Help! What repositories should I use?
[16:35] <mats> I can't find libkontactinterface4 anywhere; Kubuntu PPA, backports, ...
[16:36] <janik> hi @ all
[16:36] <mats> I tried downgrading Kontact to two different older versions, but they all need libkontactinterface.so.4.
[16:37] <mats> There is a bug report that says to manually install the libkontactinterface4 package, but that does not work if it is not available.
[16:37] <mats> Is there another package I should use instead?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> mats, did you update from 9.10 ?
[16:37] <mats> I use lucid + backports.
[16:38] <janik> mats: seems you have the same trouble as me with kontact crash, don't you?
[16:38] <mats> /usr/bin/kontact
[16:38] <mats> /usr/bin/kontact: error while loading shared libraries: libkontactinterface.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:38] <janik> KMail encountered a fatal error and will terminate now.
[16:38] <janik> The error was: Protocol version 27 found, expected at least 28
[16:38] <janik> mats: okay, its a different one
[16:38] <mats> I does not crash becay
[16:39] <mats> because it does not start.
[16:39] <janik> hmmm
[16:40] <mats> I'm willing to use any combination of repositories and any reasonable recent KDE versio, but right now nothing is working.
[16:50] <yofel> mats: that's odd, if you have the backports ppa enabled then you should have libkontactinterface4, as it *is* there
[16:51] <yofel> (part of kdepimlibs)
[16:51] <amelie> hi
[16:51] <amelie> please help with several issues
[16:52] <amelie> Hi I installed Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS
[16:52] <BajK_> amelie: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[16:53] <amelie> and I have several problems
[16:53] <amelie> kubuntu
[16:53] <BajK_> okay, those problems consist of...?
[16:53] <amelie> 1. i install widgets that I don't see
[16:54] <amelie> 2. i tried to use the combination key alt+control+backspace, doesn't work
[16:54] <amelie> 3. i'm trying to play dvd's,
[16:54] <mats> yofel: Can't find it there. Aptitude and online package search can't find it. It should be here, no: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid-backports/allpackages Trying to downgrade to 4.4.2 right now.
[16:54] <BajK_> amelie: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is disabled in Ubuntu by default
[16:54] <amelie> vlc mediaplayer doesn't work, dragonplayer doesn't work, gxine doesn't work
[16:54] <BajK_> hold on, I'm going to tell you the wiki articles concerning DVD and killing X
[16:55] <amelie> 4. desktop effects doesn't work either
[16:55] <BluesKaj> amelie, explain what happens
[16:55] <yofel> mats: wait, you meant official backports, no - it's not there, what's your kontact version?
[16:55] <mats> Right now: 4.5.1
[16:55] <BajK_> amelie: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs DVD playback
[16:55] <amelie> ok, my favorite players are gxine and vlc for specific reasons
[16:55] <amelie> i have a segmentation fault error in gxine
[16:56] <yofel> mats: I mean, what does 'apt-cache policy kontact' give you in a Konsole as Installed?
[16:56] <yofel> I don't think we ever had kontact 4.5.1
[16:56] <BluesKaj> amelie, install libdvdcss2 , kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:56] <mats> yofel: That gives 4.4.2 now actually.
[16:57] <mats> Was trying to force everything back to there.
[16:57] <yofel> well, it should work without libkontactinterface4 then now
[16:58] <mats> The "about" boxen give 4.5.1.
[16:58] <BluesKaj> amelie, gxine is a pita on kde , best to just use the defaulrt xine
[16:58] <mats> yofel: It does not...
[16:58] <yofel> mats: did you ever enable the kubuntu backports ppa?
[16:58] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[16:58] <yofel> that had 4.5.1 for lucid at one point
[16:59] <mats> yofel: Probably...
[16:59] <yofel> now it has 4.5.3, you can get libkontactinterface4 from there if you need it
[17:00] <mats> Yofel: Is that the same as: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu ?
[17:01] <amelie> Blueska; i'm installing the restricted extras, but can't find the libdvdcss2
[17:01] <DarthFrog> !medibuntu | amelie
[17:02] <yofel> mats: no, that's the kubuntu updates ppa, which has 4.4.5 for lucid
[17:02] <DarthFrog> amelie: it's in medibuntu.
[17:02] <amelie> thanks darth
[17:02] <BluesKaj> thanks DarthFrog , was about to suggest that
[17:02] <amelie> thanks Blueskkaj for your help
[17:02] <amelie> i'm fixing that...
[17:03] <BluesKaj> amelie, you can thank us after everything is working :)
[17:03] <amelie> :D
[17:06] <BluesKaj> ok, time to go ..have a good holiday everyone !
[17:09] <amelie> hello guys
[17:09] <amelie> vlc it's seems to be working fine
[17:09] <amelie> i removed gxine
[17:09] <amelie> tried to install xine
[17:10] <amelie> but, it says the package is missing or obsolete
[17:13] <yofel> amelie: right, the 'xine' package is obsolete, what did you want to install?
[17:13] <amelie> i want gxine
[17:13] <amelie> for an specific reason
[17:13] <amelie> my system volume it's lower in kubuntu
[17:14] <amelie> and with gxine I can increase it for the movies
[17:14] <amelie> more than vlc
[17:14] <mats> yofel: Finally. I bet that will work: "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu lucid main". Thank you so much! You have averted total Christmas disaster around here. Thanks!!
[17:14] <yofel> mats: that should work when you add it yes
[17:15] <amelie> but everytime i tried to install gxine, it has a segmentation fault error
[17:15] <amelie> the same with kaffeine
[17:15] <amelie> this didn't happened with earlier versions of kubuntu
[17:15] <amelie> :)
[17:15] <amelie> :(
[17:15] <yofel> amelie: tried smplayer? mplayer allows you to set the volume multiplier yourself in the settings
[17:16] <yofel> kaffeine works fine here, not sure why it would crash, you would have to get a backtrace of that
[17:16] <amelie> i'm not a experienced user like you guys...
[17:16] <amelie> there's a lot of things I don't have idea to do in linux.....
[17:17] <yofel> amelie: don't you get a crash notification window when it crashes?
[17:18] <amelie> in gxine it just says "fatal error: segmentation fault"
[17:19] <yofel> and kaffeine?
[17:19] <amelie> it opens a window "kde crash handler"
[17:19] <fujioka> I upgraded to 4.6 and now my daisy applet doesn't work, which isn't a big deal but I can't remove the broken Daisy from my desktop, how can I do that?
[17:22] <yofel> amelie: that can give you a backtrace, but try smplayer, maybe that works
[17:23] <wqapol> When I newly newly installed Kubuntu there was a twitter widget thing which appeared on desktop. I closed it, but can't seem to enable it again. There is no widget named twitter. Any ideas how I can get back that twitter widget?
[17:24] <amelie> thanks smplayer seems to be working fine
[17:24] <yofel> wqapol: that's kdemicroblogging (kdeµblog)
[17:24] <amelie> :D
[17:24] <amelie> now, the other thing that worries me
[17:24] <amelie> downloaded widgets are not shown on the desktop
[17:25] <wqapol> yofel: There is no widget named kdemicroblogging too. How can I enable it?
[17:25] <Arran> Test
[17:26] <yofel> wqapol: it's called 'Microblogging' in my plasma widgets list
[17:26] <fujioka> wqapol: Microblogging. It's a little blue notebook.
[17:27] <yofel> !test | Arran
[17:27] <wqapol> Thanks yofel, its named Microblogging.
[17:31] <wqapol> I remember, when newly installed, Microbloggin was showing only tweets from kde, even without any account configured. But now its asking for username pass. I just want to see the tweets of my VPS provider for any updates.
[17:31] <rtdos> is there anything similar to M$ GPO in Kubuntu? I'd like to disable user switching.
[17:34] <Funny> hey
[17:34] <Funny> anybody there???
[17:35] <yofel> !anyone
[17:36] <fujioka> rtdos: GPO?
[17:36] <Funny> i didn` get ya ubottu....
[17:36] <fujioka> Funny: ask your question.
[17:37] <rtdos> group policy objects.
[17:37] <fujioka> How can I kill a certain plasmoid that's broken? It won't let me just 'remove' it..
[17:37] <Funny> hey anybody from india?
[17:38] <Snowhog> Funny: This is not a 'chat' channel. It's a Kubuntu support channel. If you have a question about Kubuntu, please just ask it.
[17:38] <Funny> Ok i am sorry,,
[17:38] <raidy> Hello - I try to install Kubuntu Maverick on a RAID10; everything works well until the installer tries to install grub. Although I select the RAID array /dev/md0 in the installer, grub is installed to /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde - which fail miserably with an fatal error. What did do wrong? Any ideas?
[17:40] <amelie> well guys, thank you very much for your hellp
[17:40] <amelie> help
[17:40] <amelie> have a nice day
[17:40] <amelie> bye
[17:40] <FloodBotK2> amelie: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:50] <Funny> can anybody tell me a c compiler and interface for maverick??
[17:51] <yofel> C compiler would be gcc, and if you mean an IDE with interface try KDevelop or codeblocks
[17:55] <Arran_> Second test
[17:56] <Arran_> Working. I'm leaving now.
[17:56] <Funny> but yofel codeblocks or any other ide is not recognizing conio.h??
[17:57] <yofel> Funny: what are you trying to do?
[17:58] <Funny> trying to compile a c program
[17:58] <yofel> sure, and what do you need conio.h for?
[17:58] <Funny> for the getch() command
[17:59] <Funny> i tried it in all of the ide`s i installed but i vain
[17:59] <yofel> ah, you need to make sure conio.h is available, here's what I found, not sure which one you need: http://paste.ubuntu.com/547761/
[18:01] <kifeur> hi
[18:01] <kifeur> whats the package name of the ssh deamon server?
[18:01] <kifeur> in kubuntu
[18:01] <yofel> kifeur: openssh-server
[18:01] <kifeur> thanks a lot
[18:27] <thomas_> fnfhhfgn
[18:27] <tsimpson> back at ya
[20:03] <javier_> Hi. I was fixing some problems in my user in kubuntu but I cannot fix this one: I cannot get admin privileges, it says, my user is not in the sudoers file. How can I change it? (this is my personal laptop)
[20:06] <yofel> javier_: you need to be in the admin group for sudo permissions
[20:07] <javier_> yofel: yes... that's it. How to be back there?
[20:10] <yofel> javier_: boot into recovery mode, go to root shell, 'adduser <your user name> admin'
[20:28] <MrUnagi> I am running kubuntu in a vm and i am wondering how to i ssh into the vm from outside of the network, instead of trying to ssh into the host machine
[20:31] <javier_> yofel: how to go to root shell? sudo su?
[21:15] <speedvin> I need to go bye
[21:37] <rtdos> how do i disable user switching in kubuntu?
[21:44] <Tallken> hello! I need to understand why does my intel seem not to update screen portions on KDE with and without  QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM="raster", but more noticeable with
[21:49] <geyper> hi
[21:49] <geyper> hi you there
[21:50] <geyper> anybody can help my with the 'walwt subsystem'?
[21:51] <Tallken> hello! I need to understand why does my intel seem not to update screen portions on KDE with and without  QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM="raster", but more noticeable with
[21:51] <Tallken> ups
[21:51] <Tallken> sorry
[21:52] <surunveri> Hi
[21:52] <surunveri> could anyone help me with kubuntu suddenly working very slowly? :D
[21:55] <rork> surunveri: you can open "System Monitor" and check if there's a process using a lot of recources. It might also be that it got slow after some event, for example an update.
[21:59] <surunveri> yes
[21:59] <surunveri> update was probably the event
[21:59] <surunveri> well i had a non-official kubuntu repository or ppa whatever it is in use
[21:59] <surunveri> after changing to the official one
[21:59] <surunveri> everything got slow but
[21:59] <surunveri> i didnt notice it at first because i wasnt doing aynthing that would require system resources
[22:00] <surunveri> so that's only the only cause i can think of
[22:00] <surunveri> i checked monitor but there isnt anything
[22:00] <surunveri> how could there be a process using too many resources?
[22:00] <surunveri> can kubuntu get malware or such?
[22:00] <surunveri> :D
[22:01] <Lycanthrop> hi there
[22:01] <Lycanthrop> i have a probleme with kubuntu 10.10
[22:02] <Lycanthrop> kde tells me about removed sound devices
[22:02] <Lycanthrop> and lists my HDA NVidia sounddevice
[22:02] <Lycanthrop> eventhough I didn't remove it
[22:02] <Lycanthrop> and alsamixer still detects it
[22:02] <Lycanthrop> but in the settings for phonon
[22:03] <Lycanthrop> it isn't shown anymore, so I have no 5.1 sound (only stereo, since phonon doesn't recognise my correct sounddevice)
[22:04] <Lycanthrop> anyone knows, how to handle this?
[22:04] <Lycanthrop> i think I'm gonna die without my music
[22:05] <surunveri> anyone?
[22:05] <surunveri> is there a recent update that may affect performance coz the difference is pretty huge
[22:06] <surunveri> it's amazing how much trouble this OS manages to cause
[22:06] <surunveri> :D
[22:07] <Lycanthrop> well
[22:07] <Lycanthrop> I never had problems
[22:07] <Lycanthrop> this time is the first time
[22:07] <Lycanthrop> i have trouble with kubuntu
[22:07] <Lycanthrop> 3 years without any problem
[22:07] <Lycanthrop> than upgraded to 10.10 and my sound doesn't work correct anymore -.-
[22:07] <Lycanthrop> then*
[22:08] <surunveri> yea i've had kubuntu for 6 months and have had to reinstall it several times by now :D
[22:08] <rork> surunveri: I don't know, I just have some questions that might help others to fix your problem: which repository/ppa did you use and do you use and which version of kubuntu do you use?
[22:08] <surunveri> 10.04 kubuntu
[22:09] <surunveri> ktorrent didnt work because i wasnt using corret ppa i dont remember what it was but it suddenly stopped working after some update
[22:09] <surunveri> so i come to this channel, and people ask questions and such and they figure out i've incorrect ppa
[22:09] <surunveri> so i change to the correct ppa and isntall ktorrent again and it works fine
[22:09] <surunveri> later though i just notice now everything is reallly slow
[22:09] <surunveri> so im assuming that after changing the ppa and updating it got something that affects performance
[22:10] <Lycanthrop> kubuntu's kde isn't the fastest one ^^
[22:10] <surunveri> yea
[22:10] <surunveri> i've a slow computer that probably has a lot to do with it
[22:10] <Lycanthrop> maybe
[22:10] <surunveri> but still some applications went from perfectly usable into seriously annoying
[22:10] <surunveri> due to the difference in performance
[22:10] <surunveri> a change that's clearly observable :D
[22:11] <Lycanthrop> was your kubuntu slow all the time, or was it faster before you updated it?
[22:11] <surunveri> as i already tried to say it was faster before the update
[22:11] <rork> There's no such update in the standard kubuntu 10.04 repositories that I'm aware of, it might be in the ppa you're using though
[22:12] <surunveri> i think the ppa is teh standard
[22:12] <surunveri> it was given by people on this channel
[22:14] <surunveri> so is the only solution now to
[22:14] <surunveri> install kubuntu for the Nth time
[22:14] <surunveri> and then be reasonable and not apply any system updates?
[22:14] <surunveri> :D
[22:17] <rork> You may want to see if there is a problem in the ppa's and wether it's fixed in the next update. Many updates are security updates so not updating is a bad idea, maybe just don't use ppa's or only the stable ones.
[22:18] <surunveri> so you're saying that
[22:18] <surunveri> kubuntu isnt safe because you need the security updates?
[22:18] <amichair> I copied a large directory over smb to an ntfs partition, but the file timestamps are all set to the copying time. How do I preserve the original creation/modification times?
[22:18] <surunveri> i dont even know what ppa means actually i think it's like a source of system uppdates?
[22:19] <Dragnslcr> amichair- if you do it from a shell, cp -a should work
[22:20] <Snowhog> surunveri: ppa=personal package archive
[22:20] <amichair> Dragnslcr: it's impossible to do over smb (network share copying)?
[22:21] <surunveri> hi snowhow
[22:21] <surunveri> surprise
[22:21] <surunveri> :---------------D
[22:21] <FloodBotK2> surunveri: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:23] <surunveri> i get so much trouble with kubuntu it looks like im trying to proove it's not good :D
[22:25] <Dragnslcr> amichair- you're doing it through smbclient?
[22:25] <rork> surunveri: yes, but that's the same for any other OS. At least it's relatively safe because there are security updates ;).
[22:25] <surunveri> except it isnt
[22:25] <surunveri> :D
[22:25] <amichair> Dragnslcr: I just copied it over using dolphin, the source being and smb share, and the target an internal ntfs partition
[22:25] <surunveri> i had xp before using kubuntu and i was only forced to change because my harddrive died and tbh
[22:25] <Snowhog> surunveri: If you start 'fresh' - a formated HD; both root and /home partitions - and install Kubuntu and stick with the 'official' repositories it comes with, you won't have the issues you seem to be having. It's when you start adding ppas and/or downloading applications directly - not using KPackagekit (or Synaptic if you install it) - that issues can occur.
[22:26] <surunveri> i didnt have ever any security problems or viruses or performance problems
[22:26] <surunveri> i didnt add teh ppas myself
[22:26] <surunveri> though i did get maybe 6 security fixes for xp total
[22:26] <Dragnslcr> amichair- if you have the Samba share mounted, try cp -a and see if it works. I'm not certain if it will or not
[22:27] <surunveri> which were selected from the blur of useless updates
[22:27] <Snowhog> surunveri: IF the ppas were part of the installation you did, then the .iso you got/burned isn't "official"
[22:27] <surunveri> i dont know i think i got it from a seemigly official source
[22:27] <amichair> Dragnslcr: ok, and since it's a huge directory, is there a way to only copy/update the attributes to the new files rather than copy all of the content from scratch?
[22:27] <surunveri> but tbh i cant think of a single reason why i would prefer this OS
[22:27] <Dragnslcr> amichair- not that I can think of, short of maybe some bash wizardry
[22:28] <amichair> Dragnslcr: oh well. thanks for your help!
[22:28] <Snowhog> surunveri: "seeminly" doesn't cut it. Get your .iso from http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[22:28] <surunveri> seriously i dont remember where i got it from
[22:28] <surunveri> i think it was from that source though
[22:29] <surunveri> and yes i've started 'fresh' because i've had to install this OS several times by now
[22:29] <surunveri> :D
[22:29] <amichair> surunveri: you should check the iso's hash against the officially published hash to make sure it's the real deal
[22:29] <surunveri> yeah i could do that if i gets to the point where i've to reinstall this thing
[22:29] <surunveri> but right now the way im feeling it is that i'll do my best to install some other OS at that point
[22:30] <surunveri> but does anyone have any idea how using the standard PPA may have caused system performance to drop?
[22:31] <Snowhog> surunveri: It wouldn't. We simply don't have sufficient information about your PC to even begin to profer an informed reply.
[22:31] <amichair> surunveri: btw, the ppas aren't officially supported as far as I know (even though the kubuntu developers create and use them) - only the official repositories are
[22:31] <surunveri> so
[22:32] <surunveri> christ this is getting ridiculous
[22:32] <Dragnslcr> surunveri- sure, if you upgraded a program to a version that has performance problems
[22:32] <amichair> surunveri: assuming you're talking about the kubuntu ppas... otherwise they are completely unrelated to kubuntu devs too
[22:32] <surunveri> so i shouldnt have gotten the ppa that made ktorrent work because it's not actually supported officially?
[22:32] <surunveri> .D
[22:32] <surunveri> which was given by snowhog on this channel too
[22:33] <surunveri> so conclusion is ? with  Kubuntu, either way you're screwed
[22:33] <amichair> surunveri: they usually work, and are usually useful (I use them too). But they're still not officiall supported... just sayin'.
[22:33] <Snowhog> surunveri: This is a support channel, not a 'bash Kubuntu' channel. Please be careful.
[22:33] <surunveri> sure
[22:33] <surunveri> but you must understand where this is coming from? :D
[22:34] <amichair> surunveri: going through the full testing required for official support takes time. If you wait for the next official release, things will probably be updated and fixed and tested.
[22:34] <surunveri> i've problem: ktorrent that is installed with kubuntu no longer works because of package inconsistency. Ok I dont know about that stuff. I come to this channel and you say 'I've wrong ppa, get the standard ppa' ok i do that and after wasting both your and my time for about 2 hours, the ktorrent works again, all the while im cursing how much trouble this causes
[22:35] <surunveri> then it turns out that fixing the ktorrent caused another problem because i shouldnt have used the ppa in the first place, which then results to that i come here again udnerstandably disappointed when the 'fix' to this problem seems to be reinstalling kubuntu again
[22:35] <rork> surunveri: the conclusion is you shouldn't use ppa's unless you know what you're doing. Can you !pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.lost so we at least know which ppa's you're currently using?
[22:35] <surunveri> so ok yeah it's not a bash kubuntu channel but i wouldnt be here if i didnt have a problem and i know it's not your fault that i do have this problem
[22:35] <surunveri> how do i get that?
[22:36] <amichair> the ktorrent in the official kubuntu installation doesn't have any dependency issues that I know of...
[22:36] <Lycanthrop> well now
[22:36] <Lycanthrop> anybody knows, why kde tells me that my main sounddevice (HDA NVidia) was removed, eventhough it WAS NOT removed?
[22:36] <surunveri> and just so you know the ktorrent problem was caused by applying system updates in the first place, which leads to a natural conclusion, to avoid problems, dont apply system updates
[22:36] <Lycanthrop> phonon also doesn't show it
[22:36] <rork> surunveri: open it in a text editor (Kate for example) or `cat /etc/apt/sources.list`
[22:37] <surunveri> to counter that you're arguing that kubuntu isnt secure so you should get the security updates
[22:37] <surunveri> :D
[22:37] <surunveri> ok
[22:38] <surunveri> http://pastebin.com/Z55k7L1C
[22:38] <Dragnslcr> Lycanthrop- I get that too, but my sound seems to still work fine
[22:38] <amichair> Lycanthrop: I got that too for a while after every reboot, eventually clicked the "stop bugging me" button, and never heard from it again (and everything works fine). Never did figure out what caused the message to appear.
[22:40] <Lycanthrop> well
[22:40] <Lycanthrop> for me
[22:40] <Lycanthrop> it doesn't work fine
[22:40] <Lycanthrop> since
[22:40] <Lycanthrop> phonon only shows me "Internal Audio Analog Stereo"
[22:41] <Lycanthrop> and not the correct HDA NVidia
[22:41] <Lycanthrop> so I cannot configure my 5.1 sound
[22:41] <Lycanthrop> because
[22:41] <Lycanthrop> kubuntu or at least phonon thinks I only have a stereo soundcard ...
[22:42] <Lycanthrop> worked fine in in 10.04, then I upgraded to maverick
[22:42] <Lycanthrop> and now sound doesn't work correct anymore
[22:43] <amichair> surunveri: most security updates are not specific to kubuntu, but the ubuntu core packages, linux kernel, etc. And yes, no system is 100% secure (but some are relatively more secure than others). And normal  security updates are generally well tested to not break anything... you shouldn't fear them
[22:45] <amichair> Lycanthrop: I have the nvidia devices listed (though I don't use 5.1). maybe it also has to do with Pulse Audio which began started being installed by default (and I manually removed)... I don't know enough about it though
[22:45] <Lycanthrop> well even pulse isn't shown :/
[22:45] <surunveri> yea sure but i have problems because of updates
[22:45] <surunveri> it's only natural to avoid them
[22:47] <amichair> surunveri: from what u said, the updates came from outside the official repositories, no?
[22:48] <Lycanthrop> it only show this shitty "Internal Audio Analog Stereo"
[22:48] <Lycanthrop> u can see here: http://www.abload.de/img/soundqx9n.png
[22:48] <amichair> surunveri: kubuntu is not flawless, but it sounds like you got yourself into a bit of a pickle
[22:50] <amichair> Lycanthrop: That looks familiar, I think removing PA brought it back for me (if I remember correctly)
[22:52] <Lycanthrop> how can I remove PulseAudio?
[22:52] <Lycanthrop> When I try to remove it
[22:52] <Lycanthrop> apt-get tells me
[22:52] <Lycanthrop> that kubuntu-desktop depends on it oO
[22:52] <Lycanthrop> oh
[22:52] <Lycanthrop> no
[22:53] <Lycanthrop> it doesn't
[22:53] <Lycanthrop> ahh
[22:53] <Lycanthrop> before I tried to reinstall alsa
[22:53] <Lycanthrop> not pa
[22:53] <amichair> yeah, I just 'apt-get remove pulseaudio'-ed
[22:53] <amichair> and that was that.
[22:53] <Lycanthrop> yeah
[22:53] <Snowhog> Lycanthrop: Please stop using your Enter key as punctuation. Type out your whole comment then press enter.
[22:53] <Lycanthrop> sorry
[22:54] <Lycanthrop> yeah, l will try, wether this will work. i hope so ^^
[23:08] <amelie> hi
[23:08] <amelie> i have trouble with the following
[23:08] <amelie> tried to install widgets and doesn't work
[23:13] <Snowhog> surunveri: This might help: http://pastebin.com/GeFjWSt2
[23:15] <Snowhog> amelie: Onto the Panel or to the Desktop?
[23:16] <amelie> on to the desktop
[23:16] <amelie> i mean
[23:16] <amelie> i hit the upper right corner, it opens the widget panel window
[23:16] <Lycanthrop> thanks to amichair, removing pa worked
[23:16] <amelie> then, it has a button to download more widgets
[23:17] <amichair> Lycanthrop: cool :-)
[23:17] <amelie> i do, the windows says they are "installed" but they don't show up in my desktop
[23:17] <Snowhog> amelie: They won't. Downloading new widgets isn't  the same as selcting from the available and installing.
[23:18] <Lycanthrop> pulseaudio seems to be as crappy, as everyone said :D
[23:18] <amelie> in earlier versions of kubuntu i just selected it and already been installed
[23:18] <Snowhog> amelie: Right-click on the desktop and select Add widgets. Find what you want in the list and double-click on it.
[23:19] <amelie> i mean "get new widgets" not the one that are already in the system
[23:20] <Snowhog> amelie: "get new widgest" does not install them.
[23:22] <Lycanthrop> amichair: do you have the same strange thing, that the jacks have different positions under linux? (e. g. under windows front speaker goes into the red slot, under kubuntu into the green one) oO
[23:22] <amelie> so, how do i install them?
[23:22] <amichair> Lycanthrop: nope, jacks are ok
[23:23] <Lycanthrop> well
[23:23] <Lycanthrop> wondering why i have this strange effect here
[23:23] <Lycanthrop> annoying, always to change the jacks, when I boot another os
[23:24] <amichair> Lycanthrop: how bizarre
[23:24] <Lycanthrop> VERY bizarre I think
[23:24] <Lycanthrop> also in 10.04 i had the jacks always same as in windows
[23:26] <Snowhog> amelie: After you have "Installed" it - clicking on Install, you have to select it from the Add widgets list. Again, right-click on the desktop or the Panel, select Add widgets and search/look for what you installed. Then double-click on it.
[23:33] <ubuntu> hhhhola
[23:35] <surunveri> is there some services that could be shut down in kubuntu to improve performance?
[23:35] <surunveri> like for an example what's this KDED remote base url notifier ?
[23:36] <amichair> surunveri: strigi/nepomuk (desktop search and semantic desktop stuff), for one
[23:36] <amichair> surunveri: in system settings -> desktop search
[23:36] <amichair> it will also save you a whole lot of disk space
[23:37] <surunveri> kk
[23:37] <surunveri> well is there anything i could turn off to make this run better? :D
[23:37] <amichair> surunveri: you can first try to find which processes are using up your cpu/ram, what your bottleneck is, etc.
[23:38] <surunveri> idk
[23:38] <surunveri> there aint really anything in system monitor using CPU
[23:38] <surunveri> but it still runs poorly which is confusing
[23:38] <amichair> what exactly runs poorly?
[23:39] <surunveri> also in the footer section of system monitor CPU load is 100% a lot of the time while it actually isnt 100
[23:42] <amichair> surunveri: I like using htop and iotop to see resource usage


[10:45] <Newbe-help> Hey all, I have just one question. I have installed a russian version of opensuse with LXDE. When trying to connet to a wifi network, i was asked to enter a chiffre prior to enter the WPA2 key. What is this chiffre?
[10:46] <Newbe-help> Can I change it afterwards? If yes, how? Thank You all
[17:05] <randomdude999> I have figured out how to show/hide drives in pcmanfm's sidebar. Is it also possible to hide the "unmount" button for some drives?
[18:36] <Guest9866> hi
[18:36] <Guest9866> anyone alive?
[18:39] <Guest9866> Iǘe installed some themes but they dont change the start menu button. is this normal?
[18:58] <Guest9866> themes dont come with a start button?
[19:16] <diogenes_> Guest9866, afaik, themes don't affect start buttons
[19:18] <Guest9866> yeah, it hasnt changed, so I have installed a dark green theme and its odd to see the lubuntu bird logo in blue!
[19:19] <Guest9866> I was wondering if themes normally do install them too or not
[19:21] <diogenes_> Guest9866, nope, maybe if you right click on the button you will find the path to the icon and there you can change it
[19:21] <diogenes_> soory i use a different distro so i don't know for sure
[19:21] <Guest9866> although the screenshots I see from people with new themes they install, the start button seems always matching that theme... so Im not sure
[19:22] <Guest9866> yes, I can locate the button and downloaded a few ones, but when I pass the mouse over it, the original blue color appears
[19:25] <Guest9866> these downloaded buttons from the net were just a single png file. I thot the should be more cos of the change in color needed when it is pressed or depressed, you know
[19:48] <Guest9866> bye


[10:32] <smartboyhw> zequence-work: Should we update the Plymouth theme if madeinkobaia will be doing a new wallpaper?
[10:35] <zequence-work> smartboyhw: We'll probably be updating all of our art
[10:35] <zequence-work> The CoF, and therefore anything that has it
[10:35] <smartboyhw> zequence-work: whoa, sure
[10:35] <smartboyhw> What? We are updaating the CoF?
[10:35] <zequence-work> For 14.04 that is
[10:36] <zequence-work> For now, we just roll with what we have - madeinkobaia might have time for a WP for this release, but if he hasn't, there's no sweat
[10:36] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, OK....
[11:10] <cub> I chatted with madeinkobaia, maybe a couple of weeks ago, and it sounded that he was hoping to finish a new WP för 13.10 that could be used for the G+, web and in my case the Youtube tutorials.
[11:14] <DarkEra> he's kinda busy he told me in a mail
[11:17] <cub> yup
[11:19] <cub> OvenWerk1, is the new installer up on the daily build for Saucy? I downloaded yesterday and installed and thought it would be much different, but it was mostly straightforward. With the exception of two screen of Ubuntu One (even though I had marked that I didn't have an internet connection :P )
[11:23] <cub> And in Grub it was called "Ubuntu" only.
[11:24] <cub> While my previous, main OS was changed (unrelated to saucy installation though) to "Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS (12.04)" That was a nice touch.
[11:25] <cub> ttoine, your gparted strategy worked out perfectly. :)
[11:32] <ttoine> cub, hehe
[11:32] <ttoine> I am a gparted master ;-)
[11:33] <cub> It took the whole day with a very buzzing cpu fan, but finally I got where it should be
[11:33] <ttoine> yes, it tool times. sometimes, it is frightening
[11:33] <cub> gparted, Tetris for the adventurous
[11:33] <ttoine> it is always good to back up data, before
[11:35] <cub> oh yeah. I have three. and Dropbox. And Bitcasa.
[11:35] <cub> And I'm still nervous each time. :D
[11:35] <cub> one concern I have now is that the power supply to one of my backup drives have failed. :/
[11:36] <cub> 500 GB of precious data unavailble.
[11:43] <ttoine> f..k
[11:43] <ttoine> buy a new box
[11:44] <cub> I hope to be able to buy a new power supply. If not, try to hook it up in another computer. I only have laptops myself.
[12:19] <OvenWerk1> cub: There are four new packages uploaded, but they are still in proposed and have yet to make it to the wild. They are waiting for -installer to make it out of NEW.
[12:20] <cub> I guessed that was the case.
[12:20] <cub> Will that clean up my grub? ;)
[12:20] <OvenWerk1> I will anounce when they are out. IN the mean time our ISO didn't build yesterdaqy
[12:20] <cub> mm I saw. Any idea why?
[12:20] <OvenWerk1> Yes the new settings has two grub fixes
[12:21] <OvenWerk1> I can never remember where the build logs are kept.
[12:28] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, we ARE participating in Saucy Beta 1 right?
[12:28] <smartboyhw> (Don't tell me we aren't...)
[12:28] <cub> So, what happens after FF tomorrow? Is it business as usual or do we have a certain plan for testing and bug fixing until 13.10 launch?
[12:29] <knome> smartboyhw, i thought you were the release manager deciding on that.
[12:31] <smartboyhw> knome, final discretion at zequence-work
[12:31] <knome> smartboyhw, i didn't sense any discretion from your side... :P
[12:32] <smartboyhw> knome, well I want to participate
[12:32] <smartboyhw> Just confirming
[12:32] <smartboyhw> We did talk about that before and it's a yes, but just want to confirm;)
[12:33] <smartboyhw> cub, we will test Beta 1, fix all bugs before Beta 2. Beta 2 should be as close as RC status (even it technically isn't
[12:33] <smartboyhw> That's the schedule, at least
[12:33] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: +1
[12:34] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, up so early huh?
[12:38] <cub> smartboyhw, yeah, I was thinking of in more detail. Like a project plan with tasks, but I'm a bit damage from my daily work. ;)
[12:38] <smartboyhw> cub, well, zequence (and probably OvenWerk1) will start the planning process for 14.04 LTS when they see fit:)
[12:40] <cub> smartboyhw, 14.04 is another thing. I was wondering about from tomorrow until the launch of 13.10. So we don't run all tests in panic the night before release.
[12:41] <smartboyhw> cub, uh hum, test the daily now please
[12:41] <smartboyhw> (I do get reports that ubiquity is failing in other distros_)
[12:41] <cub> Just did. ;) Installed this morning.
[12:41] <smartboyhw> cub, how's it?
[12:41] <cub> working fine. Though, I downloaded yesterday. hmm.
[12:42] <cub> but yeah, the build failed tonight.
[12:42] <smartboyhw> cub, yeah:(
[12:43] <OvenWerk1> However our beta 1 needs All our packages out into the wild.
[12:44] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, I will send the email with reminders to get packages out of NEW after zequence-work confirms Beta 1 participation
[12:44] <cub> OvenWerk1, are the packages waiting for review?
[12:45] <smartboyhw> cub, yes
[12:45] <OvenWerk1> They are in the que, but so are a lot of packages :)
[12:45] <smartboyhw> The review must be done by an archive admin
[12:45] <OvenWerk1> I was told maybe a week.
[12:45] <smartboyhw> Which, nobody in the Xubuntu or Ubuntu Studio-related teams is:P
[12:46] <cub> aha
[12:46] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: when is beta 1?
[12:46] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, next Thurs
[12:46] <cub> Did anyone tune in on the vUDS yesterday? (I know smartboyhw didn't ;)
[12:47] <OvenWerk1> nope
[12:47] <smartboyhw> cub, yep, you know I didn't.
[12:47] <cub> hehe
[12:47] <smartboyhw> My blog post infuriated a lot of comments, lOL
[12:50] <cub> I listened to the keynote with Jono and Mark quite good but nothing revolutionary
[12:54] <zequence-work> smartboyhw: Yes. We're participating :)
[13:10] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, :)
[13:18] <smartboyhw> cub, OvenWerk1, zequence-work seemingly an archive admin (Riddell) wants to review the Ubuntu studio packages:)
[13:19] <cub> Is that good or bad?
[13:19] <smartboyhw> cub, of course it's good
[13:19] <smartboyhw> That means it probably will go in faster:)
[13:20] <cub> sweet
[13:24] <OvenWerk1> Installer is into proposed :)
[13:25] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, although actually, Riddell doesn't understand why on Earth we need that package:P
[13:25] <OvenWerk1> Most people don't... tunnel vision.
[13:26] <OvenWerk1> The idea of supporting more than one flavour without dragging in tones of libs is not in most people think
[13:26] <OvenWerk1> USC does the same job after all.
[13:27] <OvenWerk1> Can you imagine a user who has installed lubuntu not being upset at USC showing up?
[13:28] <OvenWerk1> (or KDE for that matter)
[13:28] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, Lubuntu has their own Software Center
[13:29] <cub> was a discussion similar to that topic just yesterday in the #ubuntustudio
[13:29] <OvenWerk1> LSC does not take CL arguments, I looked at it.
[13:30] <cub> well not on the installer but on "I don't want to run ubuntu studio because the USC showed things that costs money". :) holstein did a great job explaining everything
[13:30] <smartboyhw> cub, ;)
[13:31] <OvenWerk1> Also, to use a different installer for each DE means checking what is there and running it, much more work than just writng new software.
[13:31] <cub> My favorite quote: "holstein: not usuing ubuntu because there is commercial software in the software center is a bit like not shopping at a grocery store becuase they sell cigarettes"
[13:31] <zequence-work> I'd like everyones opinion now. Is this ok? http://ubuntustudio.org/merchandise/
[13:32] <zequence-work> OvenWerk1: smartboyhw: ttoine: cub: astraljava: holstein: (and anyone else interested)
[13:33] <OvenWerk1> zequence-work: Looks good to me. I like the bottom mug
[13:33]  * OvenWerk1 wants stickers :)
[13:33] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, ack
[13:33] <smartboyhw> zequence-work ^
[13:34] <smartboyhw> We need to announce it though
[13:34] <zequence-work> OvenWerk1: Right. What was that place again? Unix stickers something
[13:34] <cub> Nice zequence-work
[13:34] <zequence-work> smartboyhw: Yes, once it is decided it's ready for release. That's why I'm asking for opinions BEFORE I announce it
[13:35] <cub> http://www.unixstickers.com/
[13:35] <OvenWerk1> I think "Conditions for this license is" is should are or the s should come off Conditions.
[13:35] <zequence-work> ttoine: If you have some time in the future, perhaps you could take a look at that? Other flavors are using that, and we should too, I think.
[13:36] <OvenWerk1> zequence-work: ^^
[13:36] <zequence-work> OvenWerk1: Right. There are more conditions, I guess. But that one is the only one relevant to our users - I was going to write down more otherwise
[13:36] <zequence-work> Good catch
[13:37] <zequence-work> Changing it to "A condition.."
[13:37] <cub> The dark grey shirt with all white print looks really nice too. No issue with the quality there.
[13:38]  * cub is actually wearing an Ubuntu Studio t-shirt right now..:*)
[13:38] <zequence-work> People are free to try more examples, but those are specifically designed by us
[13:38] <zequence-work> It's kind of cool to have the freedom to mix different colors
[13:38] <cub> Stallman would be happy. ;)
[13:39] <smartboyhw> cub, LOL
[13:46] <ttoine> zequence-work, nice work on wordpress
[13:47] <ttoine> zequence, for the stickers, I am already looking at way to do it
[13:48] <ttoine> OvenWerk1, thanks for the link
[13:53] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, knome it would be good if we can update the copyright line at the pageend
[13:53] <smartboyhw> It's still 2012
[13:54] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: I missed tha somehow :P
[13:55] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, LOL
[13:55] <OvenWerk1> I did actually read that line too.
[13:56] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, OK
[13:56] <smartboyhw> I actually read the line you talked abuot too
[13:56] <zequence-work> The website was created in 2012, so I think that's fine
[13:57] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, but the contents aren't
[13:57] <smartboyhw> (Not all at least)
[13:57] <knome> it's trivial to change, but you'll need to get IS upload a new version of the theme (iirc the year is hardcoded to the theme)
[13:57] <smartboyhw> knome, OK, that's unexpected
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Well, IS would probably ignore the request till 2014.....
[13:59] <knome> is it part of the asian culture to have such a negative view on things? i thought it was the western state of mind.
[14:00] <smartboyhw> knome, OK, I'm pessimistic:P
[14:01] <zequence-work> I'm getting thrown out from here. I'll make the announcements tonight, when I get home.
[14:01] <knome> i agree that IS have not always delivered stuff on time (yes, we waited for a subdomain redirection for 2+ years), but that doesn't warrant mocking them up. they have been getting better and if you work with them and give them any information they need, they are ok
[14:01] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, thrown off?
[14:01] <smartboyhw> *thrown out
[14:02] <OvenWerk1> made sense to me.
[14:02] <smartboyhw> knome, so, can you do the change?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> I can do the ticket filing
[14:03] <knome> smartboyhw, okay.
[14:03] <cub> IS?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> cub, Canonical Internet Services
[14:04] <smartboyhw> They manage all of Ubuntu and their flavours' webserver
[14:04] <cub> ok
[14:04] <smartboyhw> So, such changes need to go through them to implement
[14:04] <smartboyhw> cub, you are learning one new thing per day:{
[14:04] <smartboyhw> :{P
[14:04] <cub> at least!
[14:04] <smartboyhw> OUCH
[14:04] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:04] <cub> it's my life mission. Learn something new each day.
[14:04] <smartboyhw> cub, want to learn packaging?:P
[14:05] <smartboyhw> I can give you a pretty haunting experience;P
[14:05] <cub> yes, but that have to wait until tomorrow. I've filled my learning quota for today. ;)
[14:05] <smartboyhw> cub, well, that at least takes 2-3 days
[14:06] <cub> knome, so even though it's based on wordpress zequence can't change the theme himself?
[14:06] <smartboyhw> cub, he can
[14:06] <knome> cub, the year is hardcoded in the theme.
[14:06] <smartboyhw> But, the implementation is done through IS
[14:06] <knome> cub, we can make it dynamic, but i don't see any reason to do so
[14:07] <smartboyhw> knome, less maintenance/
[14:07] <knome> smartboyhw, it's a one-off change to add the dash.
[14:07] <cub> I don't follow. Let's say we design a new theme. It needs to be sent to IS to arrive on the site?
[14:07] <smartboyhw> cub, yes.
[14:07] <smartboyhw> WE MUST
[14:08] <knome> smartboyhw, and you could argue it's more maintenance because you have to make sure the code pulling it dynamically from the database needs to be maintained
[14:08] <smartboyhw> knome, oh, OK then
[14:08] <smartboyhw> But anyways knome plz do the change and I can bug IS:P
[14:08] <knome> i'm on it
[14:09] <cub> but...it's wordpress. Wouldn't it be dead simple to allow each webmaster to set whatever theme they like?
[14:09] <knome> smartboyhw, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-website/ubuntustudio-resources/website-wordpress/revision/10
[14:09] <smartboyhw> knome, thanks
[14:09] <knome> cub, yes, but the themes need to be installed on the server.
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Which IS controls
[14:09] <knome> cub, and if you want to change them, the theme files need to be changed.
[14:09] <cub> which you can do in the admin interface in a standard WP installation.
[14:09] <knome> cub, only IS has file access to those production servers
[14:10] <cub> Ok
[14:10] <knome> cub, yes, if the user running the webserver has the access to file system, which is disabled on canonical servers
[14:10] <knome> cub, so no, there is no workaround, all code/themes need to go through IS so they can do their security review and what not.
[14:13] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: I am just going through the blu prints and notice meantion of the xfce logo in the installer.
[14:14] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, em?
[14:14] <OvenWerk1> Is that still a problem? I thought it was fixed in R
[14:14] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, no (Not in S)
[14:14] <smartboyhw> WEIRD
[14:15] <OvenWerk1> I am just wondering if the blueprint item was carried over but should have been "DONE"ed
[14:15]  * smartboyhw goes over why the build failed today
[14:15] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: thankyou
[14:16] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, jeez, it's catfish
[14:17] <OvenWerk1> OK new catfish coming.
[14:17] <OvenWerk1> xubuntu will have the same issue.
[14:18] <cub> aha. I removed catfish on my other saucy yesterday because of all trouble. :D
[14:18]  * smartboyhw restarts a build to check
[14:27]  * OvenWerk1 needs another monitor...
[14:28]  * knome monitors OvenWerk1
[14:28] <OvenWerk1> :)
[14:29] <OvenWerk1> knome I am sharing one monitor with two computers right now
[14:29] <knome> that sounds like you need (at least) 3 new monitors
[14:30] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, good, help test Mir's new multi-monitor feature, we need you;)
[14:30] <OvenWerk1> The penny jar doesn't even cover one...
[14:30]  * knome pops in a penny
[14:30]  * OvenWerk1 will probably get a ubuntustudio mug first
[14:31]  * knome pops in another penny for that
[14:32] <smartboyhw> knome, give me $10million USD now:P
[14:32] <smartboyhw> (Since you seem to be so generous)
[14:32]  * knome slaps smartboyhw
[14:32] <OvenWerk1> Harder :)
[14:32]  * smartboyhw lands right on knome
[14:33] <OvenWerk1> excess money seems to be a ruiner of people...
[14:33] <knome> that's not a hard task, there's a lot of surface to land on
[14:33] <OvenWerk1> :)
[14:34] <knome> yeah, it's usually the poorest who give the most (at least by percentage)
[14:50] <smartboyhw> knome, zequence Canonical IS completed the work! (I pinged somebody in #canonical-sysadmin and that did the trick)
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Hey madeinkobaia :)
[15:45] <smartboyhw> We finally get to see you:P
[15:47] <madeinkobaia> Hey smartboyhw : )
[15:47] <madeinkobaia> Yep :P
[15:48] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, so, are you gonna make a 13.10 wallpaper for us?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> (Just asking, no pressure)
[15:48] <smartboyhw> If you can't do it, we will just ship with what's in here now
[15:51] <madeinkobaia> Normally I will create 2 wallpaper. One minimal, with a simple design, and one more "arty". Then we will decide witch one could be usable as default for the 13.10.
[15:52] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, just to remind you: UserInterfaceFreeze is on September 19th
[15:54] <madeinkobaia> Yes I know that ;)
[15:55]  * smartboyhw would suggest to hold a artwork contest next cycle
[15:55] <smartboyhw> The wallpapers in our G+ community is awesome
[15:58] <madeinkobaia> The wallpaper contest is a good idea. I think it is already planned for the 14.04. About witch wp in particular you're talking about ?
[15:59] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, all, tbh
[15:59] <smartboyhw> ALL ARE GREAT WORK:P
[15:59] <smartboyhw> (because I certainly can't make one of these)
[15:59] <madeinkobaia> Ok ;p
[17:20] <cub> hehe smartboyhc's blog was discussed in the Community Roundtable
[17:45] <zequence> cub: Cool
[17:48] <cub> spent 15 minutes talking about G hangout and alternatives
[18:47] <madeinkobaia> See you all : )
[21:45] <OvenWerk1> Yahoo! ubuntustudio-installer, ubuntustudio-menu, ubuntustudio-default-settings and ubuntustudio-icon-theme are all updated to the wild.
[21:45] <knome> :)
[21:45] <knome> congrats
[21:46] <OvenWerk1> All we need is a respin.
[21:46] <OvenWerk1> (tomorrow is fine
[21:47]  * OvenWerk1 is also happy to have a console working on his new MB
[22:15] <zequence> Just finished the announcement for the merchandise http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/08/ubuntu-studio-merchandise/
[23:03] <OvenWerk1> Ok, that one is (c) 2011. I think we went the wrong way
[23:04] <OvenWerk1> The photo looks squashed on my screen though.
[23:05] <knome> OvenWerk1, no, i changed it to 2011 (that was in html <meta>)
[23:05] <knome> the photo looks fine to me
[23:20] <OvenWerk1> knome: must be rekonq then. The desktop has round icons...
[23:21] <knome> desktop? :)
[23:21] <knome> was referring to http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/08/ubuntu-studio-merchandise/...
[23:23] <OvenWerk1> Ya, its the browser, FF is fine...
[23:24] <OvenWerk1> WHat I was saying is that the desktop itself has round not squashed cirecles.
[23:24] <OvenWerk1> *circles
[23:26] <knome> heh
[23:26] <OvenWerk1> In fact, now that I look at it, The rest of that page is correct, it is just the way the browsers reder the photo. weird
[23:26] <knome> was wondering if you thought kaj's shirt was a desktop...
[23:26] <OvenWerk1> Na, I would like a nicer backdrop :P


[12:51] <cmaloney> Good mornin
[13:06] <rick_h_> wet morning :(
[13:25] <cmaloney> Yeah it is
[13:25] <cmaloney> I kind of dig it
[13:32] <brousch> I'll bet you'll find worms
[13:34] <rick_h_> ruining my work outside streak
[13:34] <jrwren> :)
[13:34] <jrwren> I've been in my basement too long. I really need to do some porch work
[13:34] <rick_h_> had a guy come out and quote an awning for the top deck
[13:34] <jrwren> $10,000?
[13:34] <rick_h_> should ahve told him to just install it while he was here :P
[13:35] <rick_h_> jrwren: 3k power awning with lights/wind sensor including install
[13:35] <jrwren> nice!
[13:35] <rick_h_> yea, just have to talk the wife into it
[13:35] <rick_h_> tough while they're here working on the bathroom and such lol
[13:35] <jrwren> I setup a temp sail shade thing for 1 day. it was nice, but I don't want to do the work to make it permanent :)
[13:36] <rick_h_> yea, I should look at that. I got a couple of tarps for camping with the big poles and such thinking it'd be cool to setup more shade when camping
[13:36] <rick_h_> I wonder if I could zip-tie the poles to the deck and hang the tarp up for a couple of days to try it out
[13:37] <cmaloney> Power awning. That sounds like something JoDee would like
[13:37] <cmaloney> though I like our little falling-apart porch in back
[13:37] <rick_h_> https://www.marygrove.com/retractable-awnings/
[13:38] <rick_h_> I didn't want power, but they need to do the roof mount to get it up high enough and can't reach it with a pole to do manual :(
[13:38] <jrwren> how big is it?
[13:39] <rick_h_> for my area it's a 12x10
[13:40] <cmaloney> funnily enough we wondered if anyone did awnings still
[13:40] <cmaloney> good to see they still do
[13:40] <rick_h_> just for the upper part of https://photos.app.goo.gl/WzLFHHAGDLZ481EHA
[13:40] <cmaloney> right
[14:02] <jrwren> cmaloney: there are still awning infomercials on old-people-tv-channels
[14:18] <brousch> Are you implying cmaloney should have seen them?
[14:19] <jrwren> no.
[14:19] <jrwren> i'm explicitly saying that I have. :)
[14:23] <brousch> You're not allowed to watch old man channels because that means I could be watching old man channels
[14:24] <jrwren> well... i really like startrek so sometimes I watch it on H&I
[14:24] <jrwren> that is an old people channel
[14:51] <cmaloney> I think this is an old people channel. ;)
[14:51] <jrwren> its becoming one.
[14:51]  * rick_h_ waves from one old man to the other old men
[14:51] <rick_h_> jrwren: every year, closer to that very goal :P
[14:51] <cmaloney> Senior Discounts?
[14:52] <jrwren> I was about to say, when was the last time new folks, who may be young, joined here. but now that I think of it, we've had some new chatters.
[14:52] <jrwren> hopefully we are welcoming and they stick around.
[14:52] <cmaloney> I passed by a sign for the community center: Senior blah blah, 50+.
[14:52] <cmaloney> and I'm like "Fuck you, sign"
[14:52] <jrwren> are you 50 now?
[14:52] <cmaloney> Not yet
[14:53] <cmaloney> but I remember thinking that 50+ was a long way off
[14:53] <cmaloney> and it's not so long-way-off-now
[14:55] <rick_h_> Yay! I FINALLY got the update to Android Messages so I can do texts on my laptop
[14:55] <cmaloney> nice!
[14:55] <rick_h_> google voice transition is now complete and no need for hangouts
[14:55] <cmaloney> I still use Hangouts
[14:56] <cmaloney> but yeah, it seems Hangouts are the eldest sibling of the Google Messaging ecosystem
[14:56] <cmaloney> supposed to be responsible and not change much
[14:57] <rick_h_> the thing is that I end up with "where did I get that?" and have to check texts, hangouts, email, etc. It'll be good to drop one finally
[14:57] <cmaloney> but with Google thinking that Hangouts will somehow become Slack for Busines I wonder what will happen to it
[14:58] <rick_h_> smartass :P
[14:58] <cmaloney> Heh
[14:58] <cmaloney> Nothing says Love like sending rick_h_ a message on a platform he's trying to sundown
[14:59] <cmaloney> my worry is they'll phase out Google Voice and then I'll have to pay for SMS again
[15:00] <cmaloney> and give out a "real" phone number
[15:00] <cmaloney> ugh
[15:03] <jrwren> its a terrible system.
[15:03] <cmaloney> which?
[15:03] <jrwren> google's messages systems
[15:03] <jrwren> hangsouts/meet/hello/gtalk
[15:03] <jrwren> all separate.
[15:03] <jrwren> but why should goog care? they don't make money on any of those.
[15:03] <jrwren> I love teh texts to laptop feature though. Its one of my fav apple features.
[15:04] <cmaloney> Well, Google had one that I was pretty convinced wouldn't go anywhere
[15:04] <cmaloney> Duo or Allo. Not sure which
[15:05] <cmaloney> https://www.androidauthority.com/google-messaging-apps-867843/
[15:05] <cmaloney> I agree with this article: Hangouts is the best at what it does. That's likely why Google keeps wanting to kill it.
[15:09] <cmaloney> After reading it I think Duo and Allo should both be tanked
[15:10] <jrwren> yup
[15:10] <jrwren> and meet too.
[15:11] <cmaloney> *eyeroll*
[15:11] <jrwren> what?
[15:11] <jrwren> thre's still be hangouts.
[15:11] <jrwren> hahahaha... I was about to say... imagine if MS made 3 wordprocessors instead of just word.
[15:11] <jrwren> but then I remember that they did.
[15:11] <cmaloney> I'm just waiting for Google to screw up Hangouts
[15:12] <cmaloney> Yeah, Works, Word, and ... something else
[15:12] <jrwren> there was/is write/wordpad, the one in msworks, and mspublisher and all that was confusing.
[15:12] <jrwren> hahaha, yup
[15:12] <cmaloney> Publisher was a purchased program
[15:12] <cmaloney> but yeah, Wordpad, Word, and Works were confusing little fucks
[15:13] <cmaloney> Sorry, but Wordpad was most frustrating of all
[15:13] <cmaloney> since it was a crapshoot betwheen whether Notepad or Wordpad would open any file on the machine
[15:13] <cmaloney> and the myriad cries of "Wordpad is not an editor"
[15:14] <jrwren> publisher was confusing for a lot of people too because a lot of folks used WORD to try to do what publisher was meant to do.
[15:15] <cmaloney> That was the whole reason I taught my mom how to use Publisher instead of Word
[15:15] <cmaloney> now she uses it for everything
[15:15] <cmaloney> and I can't get her to stop
[15:15] <jrwren> ha!
[15:16] <cmaloney> I tried to get her to use Scribus, but Scribus is not intuitive at the best of times
[15:16] <jrwren> nope
[15:17] <cmaloney> I'm just going to sit here and hope that federated protocols take over the world
[15:18] <cmaloney> and folks will magically start using Libreoffice, Mastodon / ActivityPub, and the like
[15:18] <cmaloney> and perhaps magical unicorns will descend from fairy-land to sprinkle us with fairy dust
[15:19] <jrwren> remember in cathedral and bazaar how it was mentioned that some software which isn't widely used may not make sense for open source? I wonder if video chat is one of those.
[15:19] <jrwren> the bazaar economics don't fit?
[15:20] <cmaloney> http://i.imgur.com/bnIq54u.png
[15:20] <jrwren> lol
[15:20] <cmaloney> I don't think it's economics as much as the protocols / clients are half-baked and unintuitive
[15:21] <cmaloney> Trying to explain XMPP to someone who just wants to chat is akin to telling someone they need to hum sine-wave patterns to dial a phone
[15:22] <brousch> Video chat is used a lot now in business
[15:22] <cmaloney> or tell an operator that you want to call the Jiffy Lube in United States, Michigan, Royal Oak, 13 Mile, Telegraph, 5150 Telegraph, Bob.
[15:23] <brousch> skype and hangouts here, facetime is popular for consumers
[15:23] <cmaloney> Yeah