[04:16] <persia> Vuokko, No, it's not supposed to be an idling-only channel, but not a lot of people were here.
[04:17] <persia> I'd suggest trying mobile for that device, if you're willing to run beta software (intrepid).  You can get a live USB image to test from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/current/
[04:20] <kavon> well not that many devices that are affordable can run Ubuntu Mobile
[04:21] <kavon> usually around 1,000 dollars, only for people who truly need somthing like that
[04:21] <kavon> i just bought a nokia n810, only $350 and runs a linux based OS
[04:23] <kavon> pretty good linux in your pocket device
[04:23] <kavon> but has ARM processor
[04:23] <kavon> (i'm talking to Vuokko)
[04:31] <persia> kavon, Well, that's part of why for intrepid we'll have Ubuntu MID (for pocketable devices), and Ubuntu Mobile (for the larger ones).  Ubuntu Mobile should be good even for the EeePC, which has gotten pretty cheap in some places.
[04:44] <MoonshineX> Persia, do you know if intrepid works on an jax-10/Aigo device yet?
[04:45] <persia> MoonshineX, I don't.  I know that I need to use the vesa video driver on my D4, so I'm fairly sure the same applies for that deviice.
[04:46] <kavon> persia: :o so we'll have an arm compatible/nokia n810 compatible version?
[04:46] <persia> MoonshineX, Given the form-factor of those, I'd recommend Ubuntu MID over Ubuntu Mobile anyway : although it looks really pretty, I think it's a little cluttered on that small a screen.
[04:46] <kavon> persia: :D ubuntu MID makes me a happy person
[04:46] <persia> There's nothing architecture-specific in Ubuntu Mobile, so that mostly depends on whether Launchpad provides ARM buildds.
[04:48] <persia> For Ubuntu MID, there's still some hardcoded architecture-specific stuff, which needs to get split out, so Ubuntu MID depends on *both* Launchpad getting buildds and some code changes.
[04:49] <persia> kavon, Ubuntu MID 8.10 is not that different than Ubuntu Mobile 8.04, except for version bumps of software, a couple software selection changes, and support for using one's full secondary storage.
[04:49] <StevenK> And a shiny new launcher
[04:50] <persia> Yes, and a very shiny new launcher, with *lots* more flexibility, and support for such strange use cases as installing more software from the repositories :)
[04:54] <MoonshineX> was afk sorry
[04:55] <persia> kavon, No issues.  Do you have an Aigo?  Would you be willing to test a live image and see how well/poorly the intrepid candidates work?
[04:55] <persia> kavon, Sorry.
[04:56] <persia> MoonshineX, ^^
[04:56] <MoonshineX> yes
[04:56] <MoonshineX> i would
[04:56] <MoonshineX> imnot toconfident of the touchscreen driver though
[04:56] <persia> MoonshineX, Daily images are available from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/current
[04:56] <MoonshineX> yea i was looking at those
[04:56] <persia> I haven't tried today's on real hardware yet, but it booted in KVM.
[04:58] <kavon> persia: nope i have a nokia n810 in the mail
[04:59] <persia> kavon, Can't help you much with that then.  With luck, the mojo.handhelds.org project should recompile intrepid for ARM sometime after release, and there's a chance that you can just install ubuntu-mid (although you'll need to be tricky about the install)
[05:00] <kavon> persia: maemo is good enough for my purposes, debian based too
[05:00] <kavon> persia: most everything i would want to use has been ported already to it
[05:00] <persia> kavon, heh.  That works too :)
[05:01] <kavon> persia: (aka ssh, aircrack, pidgin, vim)
[05:02] <MoonshineX> downloading
[05:04] <persia> MoonshineX, Thanks!  I would expect issues with the video driver, but other than that it ought to mostly work.  I'm curious about things like touchscreen, hardware buttons, networking, etc.
[05:04] <persia> (the networking for my D4 is not working very well)
[05:04] <MoonshineX> d4
[05:04] <MoonshineX> sharp?
[05:05] <persia> Yep.
[05:06] <MoonshineX> sweep..thats a neat gadget
[05:06] <MoonshineX> sweet
[05:06] <persia> Well, it needs a much better battery, and selling it as a "phone" is very odd, but otherwise I like it.
[05:07] <MoonshineX> yea i heard of battery issues
[05:07] <persia> Basically, the batter lasts long enough for 2 daily rides on the train, and maybe a bit of lunch (and that's with the *extended* battery).
[05:07] <MoonshineX> does the installgive yoiu many options?
[05:08] <persia> How do you mean?
[05:08] <MoonshineX> aigo has 2 2gb drives
[05:08] <MoonshineX> not much room
[05:08] <MoonshineX> not sure if there are optional components
[05:09] <persia> There aren't many options, but it ought fit.  I'd recommend "manual partitioning", and set one drive as / and the other as /home
[05:09] <MoonshineX> im sure it doesnt matter
[05:09] <persia> Not much room to add extra software, but if it doesn't work at all, that's a different issue.
[05:09] <MoonshineX> yea good ideabut im moreon the noob side of things :)
[05:09] <MoonshineX> brb in a while
[05:09] <MoonshineX> thx!
[07:48] <lool> morning
[08:35] <davmor2> persia: ping
[08:35] <persia> davmor2, Yes?
[08:35] <davmor2> testcase creation time Dude :)
[08:36] <persia> RIght.  I want basic ubiquity install tests.  That's about it.
[08:37] <davmor2> Right how much of the installer do you got through and how do you get the image onto the device (these are thing general pulic/new tester will need to know)
[08:39] <persia> For -mobile the installer isn't any different than for -desktop.  For -mid, it might have fewer questions, but that's not working yet.
[08:39] <persia> The daily images are USB images.  You can boot them with KVM as a hard drive, or dd them onto a USB stick for hardware tests (dd if=ubuntu-mobile.img of=/dev/sdq bs=1024k)
[08:40] <davmor2> Right so we'll leave mid for jaunty and concentrate on mobile then.
[08:40] <persia> Well, drop the final 'k' if you don't have lots of spare RAM.
[08:40] <persia> I expect -mid to be working in the next couple days.
[08:40] <davmor2> will that be out in time for rc then?
[08:41] <persia> The only outstanding issue right now is bug #280014, because some MIDs don't have keyboards, and it's not sufficiently integrated with the accessibility framework to allow entering authentication from the on-screen keyboards.
[08:41] <davmor2> and somewhere near stable
[08:41] <persia> Yes.
[08:42] <persia> It works now, it's just that it's not ideal for users without keyboards, as there is a password.
[08:42] <persia> (or it would work if there hadn't been a problem with creating today's image)
[08:42] <davmor2> I know there are a few dailies not biult
[08:43] <davmor2> Right on to apps then
[08:43] <persia> No app testing required this cycle.
[08:43] <davmor2> right so just installer then?
[08:44] <persia> cgregan did a lot of work recently to prep some cases for -mobile apps, but I'm not sure we have enough active users to complete the test cases in time.
[08:44] <persia> For -mid I don't think we've updated the test cases since Hardy, and several things have changed.
[08:44] <persia> Yes, just the installer for now.  As much as anything, I just want to get the images blessed as known working for RC, so we don't have issues with people complaining they can't install.
[08:45] <davmor2> mid is for small touch screen device like the samsung q1u and mobile is for the netbooks correct?
[08:45] <persia> The fact that the installer can be run is a sufficient test of the live image at this stage.  As we get more users, it matters.
[08:46] <persia> davmor2, I think the samsung q1u works better with -mobile : it's not that small.  -mid is mostly for the Aigo MID, the Sharp D4, and other stuff not yet available retail.
[08:46] <persia> Think something palm-size vs. something trade paperback size
[08:47] <davmor2> persia: okay cool it's only so I can add a distinction between the 2
[08:48] <persia> davmor2, I usually describe them in terms of screen size.  -mid is 4-6", and -mobile is 7-9".  I know someone installed -mobile on a 4.5" screen, but they are a little obsessed :)
[08:49] <davmor2> it wasn't ogra by any chance was it ;)
[08:52] <persia> Erm.  How did you guess?
[08:53] <persia> davmor2, So, what do you need from me?  Is it more than just pointing at the existing test cases for the installs?
[08:54] <davmor2> persia: no that should be it.  I'll ping you later when I've done and you can check it's right okay :)
[08:54] <persia> davmor2, Certainly.  Either here or in -testing.  Thanks for looking at it.
[08:55] <davmor2> no worries
[08:55] <persia> I believe we have enough users to provide test coverage on hardware for -mid.  I'm less sure about -mobile, but there's a lot of traffic on the mailing list, so a call for testing may help there.
[08:55] <persia> Do you know if any of the regular testers have hardware suitable for -mobile?
[08:57] <davmor2> I got the acer aspire one pass on every one else
[08:57] <davmor2> they all have vm though
[08:59] <persia> You know about the issue with installing from USB images on VMs, right?
[08:59] <persia> (I presume there are some usb-creator test cases)
[08:59] <persia> I believe evand is working on it, but I don't think it's fixed yet.
[09:23] <davmor2> persia: one last question on partitioning and warnings.  Do you automatically take over the whole drive? If so is there a warning screen to let you know this?
[09:24] <persia> davmor2, It's just ubiquity.  Same options as for anything else.
[09:24] <davmor2> persia: okay ta
[09:24] <persia> davmor2, Hardy *did* just randomly reformat the drive, but that was a bug :)
[09:36] <davmor2> persia: That's what I've thrown together for now I'll add links and stuff after breakfast but is that alright for now ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/Mobile
[09:37] <persia> davmor2, So, only five more impossible things to do before you eat?
[09:38] <persia> davmor2, Looks good to me.  I presume that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/MID could essentially be a mirror of the same?
[09:46] <davmor2> persia: Mid is basically the update for ume isn't it?
[09:47] <davmor2> If so I can have a quick flick through the apps and update as appropriate and mid is done :)
[09:48] <persia> Well, "ume" was never released, as there were two projects that claimed that name.
[09:48] <davmor2> yes but the testcases are already in place
[09:48] <persia> For -mid, don't bother creating app test cases for intrepid: there's not enough time to fix stuff that doesn't match the old cases.
[09:49] <persia> For Jaunty, that would be a great step though, and we can then either invalidate the test cases, or fix the bugs, and get something more solid.
[09:54] <davmor2> persia: no worries.  I think I already updated how to install it in kvm and I can't remember if Chris updated how you got it on the device or not, so I'll go and look at that in a bit :)
[09:55] <davmor2> mobile is pretty much done now header links etc are in :)
[09:55] <persia> Cool.  Thanks a lot for your help with this.
[09:57] <davmor2> np's
[10:47] <zender> hello i would like to install ubuntu mobile on my eee could you please tell me how
[10:57] <zender> helloooo
[10:57] <zender> come on im sure its easy just tell me what should i use mid or image from the download section of the site
[11:07] <persia> zender, download the image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/current dd it to a USB stick, and boot off that.  If you like it, run the installer.
[11:10] <zender> ok thx ill try that just now
[11:10] <ogra> if you dont like dd, use usb-imagewriter from https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+archive
[11:10] <zender> what does dd mean ?
[11:11] <ogra> it does a binary copy of your image to a device (i.e. a USB key)
[11:11] <zender> i was using unetbooting to write the image to the flash drive
[11:12] <persia> zender, You could try that.  No idea if it works with the Ubuntu Mobile image.
[11:13]  * ogra ponders setting up a gdebi howto for usb-imagewriter
[11:14] <persia> ogra, It would make sense.  Fleshing out the wiki for -mobile is something needs doing anyway.
[11:15] <zender> 6 mins until i finish downloading the image
[11:16] <zender> i saw at one point a ubuntu that would boot directly from ram.. which took seconds to boot up.. having only internet messenger and some games.. not waiting the hdds to boot
[11:19] <zender> quick quesiton.. where should i install the bootloader? i dont want to mess up my xp so im planning not to install it on hd0
[11:20] <zender> or can i ?
[11:20] <zender> i know that in order to dual boot i have to do some magic tricks to get it to work if i plan on instaling the dualbooter on second partition
[11:20] <zender> the bootloader*
[11:21] <ogra> in the installer near the end there is a "advanced" button in the bottom right corner ... that enables you to select different options for te bootloader
[11:22] <zender> where do you recommand to instal it
[11:22] <zender> as a note i dont want it to mess up my xp partition
[11:22] <zender> is it safe to leave it to hd0?
[11:23] <persia> zender, The isntaller should detect your XP partition, and help construct a boot entry that allows you to dual-boot.
[11:24] <zender> even if at parititoning stage i choose manual and install the linux on my second partition?
[11:26] <zender> ok it oficially doesnt work with unetbooting
[11:26] <persia> Right.  The partitioning check and the bootloader menu construction check are different.
[11:26] <persia> You might report that to the unetbootin team : maybe they want to add support?
[11:26] <zender> please tell me how to use image writer
[11:27] <ogra> do you have an ubuntu desktop system ?
[11:27] <persia> Install.  Run.  Select an image.  Select a USB drive.  Done.
[11:27] <zender> im under windows atm
[11:27] <zender> i saw some tgr extensions
[11:28] <ogra> well, we dont have a windows version yet
[11:28] <zender> ok one sec to boot ubuntu on my laptop
[11:28] <zender> i have eeexubuntu but cant get the wifi to work
[11:28] <zender> and it loads so and so .. i want something QUICK for internet at univeristy
[11:29] <zender> and i stumbled on ubuntu mobile
[11:29] <ogra> mobile uses the same bootprocess desktop uses currently
[11:29] <davmor2> persia: is it me or does mobile have a real issue raising the brightness?
[11:32] <persia> davmor2, Not sure.  I've not tried that.
[11:32] <davmor2> brightness down seems fine only up seems to be an issue
[11:34] <persia> ogra, Does it work for you?  I think you've tested more than most.
[11:35] <ogra> works fine here
[11:35] <ogra> what HW are you testing on ?
[11:36] <davmor2> persia: ogra: it works it's just sluggish increasing brightness.  Acer Aspire One
[11:37] <ogra> ah, well, i never tested on a netbook....
[11:38] <persia> ogra, That slab you have isn't that different from a netbook : it just has a lousy keyboard.
[11:38] <ogra> heh
[11:39] <zender> am i supposed to download all 4 files?
[11:39] <zender> for usb imagewriter
[11:40] <zender> from your site
[11:40] <ogra> no
[11:40]  * ogra is just writing a howto ...
[11:40] <ogra> just click on the .deb file
[11:40] <ogra> firefox will offer you to open it with gdebi
[11:41] <ogra> click ok there ... and it should just install
[11:41] <zender> omg im a bit emberessed.. i use windows bcuz as i said i dont have internet on my xubuntu.. and i was planning on copying the image and the usb installer on the flash and copying them again in the xubuntu
[11:41] <zender> and taking it from there
[11:42] <zender> i have 1 pc - windows and 1 laptop - xubuntu
[11:43] <persia> zender, Just copy the usb-installer .deb to xubuntu, and open it in thunar.  That should work.
[11:43] <persia> (you might miss some dependencies, but gdebi should complain, and I don't think there are any)
[11:44] <zender> omg brb i will just boot from ubuntu on my pc. didnt want to loose connection with u guys
[11:44] <zender> be right back
[11:50] <ogra> there is pygtk and glade
[11:50] <ogra> should both be there on xubuntu
[11:50] <persia> That's what I thought, but as I don't have a xubuntu installation, I figured it's better to be safe.
[11:56] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageWriting
[11:57] <persia> Woohoo!
[11:57] <persia> Now we only wait on the installer team fixing the USB-install case, and we're golden :)
[11:59] <zender> omg
[11:59] <zender> it took ages to start irc on ubuntu
[11:59] <zender> can you please give me again the usb installer link?
[12:00] <persia> launchpad.net/~ogra/+archive
[12:01] <ogra> zender, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageWriting
[12:01] <ogra> just follow the howto :)
[12:01] <persia> zender, Or give https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageWriting a shot, and comment on the quality of the documentation.
[12:02] <ogra> yeah, its still very short :)
[12:02] <ogra> but should be enough
[12:02] <zender> While trying to retrieve the URL: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageWriting  The following error was encountered:      * Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> Failed   The system returned:      (111) Connection refused
[12:02] <persia> Try with https
[12:03] <persia> ogra, For better performance you might want to use the http://ppa.launchpad.net/ogra/ubuntu/... link rather than the librarian link.
[12:04] <zender> with https it works
[12:05] <zender> when clicking on the link to download the usb image installer i get a No Such Resource  No such resource error
[12:06] <persia> zender, Grab it from http://ppa.launchpad.net/ogra/ubuntu/pool/main/u/usb-imagewriter/
[12:06] <ogra> werid, worked a minute ago, but you are right
[12:06] <persia> ogra, Maybe a referrer check?
[12:07] <ogra> woah
[12:07]  * ogra was just logged out
[12:07] <ogra> evil wiki
[12:09] <ogra> ok, link fixed
[12:11] <zender> be right back to give you feedback
[12:22] <zender> how much space does the ubunut mobile need in order to run ?
[12:23] <crevette> hey persia
[12:24] <persia> crevette, Hey.
[12:24] <crevette> I have one question regarding Bluez-gnome 1.x
[12:24] <persia> zender, Recommended minimum allocation is 4GB.
[12:24] <persia> crevette, Yes?
[12:25] <crevette> does the file sharing is really desactivated or only removed from the UI
[12:26] <crevette> because I was thinking for people like me who were using file sharing and how it impact the migration
[12:26] <crevette> impacts
[12:27] <zender> is it ok if i set the ext0 to 10 gb, swap 2 gb and rest of hdd make it fat so i can see it in windows as well?
[12:27] <ogra> 10G is more than enough
[12:28] <ogra> the install occupies 2.5G
[12:29] <persia> crevette, Should just be removed from the UI.  Right-clicking on the applet still lets me browse other devices.
[12:30] <persia> (but only once, and then it crashes, as you have seen)
[12:31] <zender>  what should i use for paritioning so that the hd would be recognised in windows ? fat?
[12:31] <crevette> persia: not browsing but sharing
[12:31] <persia> fat32 or ntfs are probably best.  fat32 is probably easiest.
[12:32] <persia> crevette, Ah.  Yeah, that functionality isn't in bluez-gnome anymore at all.
[12:32] <persia> It now needs gnome-user-share, which is fine, except that people are complaining about the dependency on apache2.
[12:33] <persia> I don't know the right resolution to this, and was hoping you had a good set of ideas.
[12:33] <crevette> persia: Yeah I know
[12:33] <crevette> implement a web server in twisted
[12:33] <crevette> ?
[12:33] <crevette> :)
[12:34] <crevette> pulling out a web server is not ideal, but apache is not that heavy
[12:34] <crevette> the only problem is that enable also the web service at system level
[12:34] <persia> Yeah, but there's not really any space on the CDs already...
[12:34] <crevette> ah
[12:35] <persia> So trying to use something significantly smaller would be ideal.
[12:35] <crevette> that's a different issue, I was thinking on system security also
[12:35] <crevette> Ideal we need a user space web server
[12:35] <persia> Yeah, there's that too, but I'm more concerned about CD size.  The server team does a pretty good job of making sure apache2 is fairly secure.
[12:35] <crevette> which run *only* for the user
[12:36] <zender> omg this is crazy.. the instalation doesnt let me to create a 3rd partition. says unusable space and doesnt let me press NEW PARTITION
[12:36] <zender> after creating the first 2: ext0 and swap
[12:37] <persia> zender, You might be getting hit by the limit of DOS partition maps to 4 primary partitions.
[12:37] <zender> i have only 2.. and the last one i try to split in into 3
[12:49] <zender> cant ubuntu mobile connect to wireless network without setup?
[12:49] <zender> unprotected ones
[12:50] <persia> zender, Should be able to do so : it's the same kernel as for Xubuntu.
[12:51]  * ogra thinks there is still a bug that makes it ask for a gnome-keyring password every boot
[12:51] <zender> lol wifi didint work for me in xubuntu
[12:51] <ogra> but thats supposed to be fixed in final
[12:51] <persia> crevette, Would dhttpd meet the requirements?
[12:52] <crevette> persia: I have no idea
[12:53] <persia> crevette, OK.  My problem is that I don't understand why it needs apache2 at all.  Looking through packages, dhttpd is only 139k installed, and says "can be run from a user account" which makes me think it might be a good choice for this.
[12:55] <crevette> persia: we could discuss with upstream who works also for redhat
[12:55] <crevette> he is hadess on Gimpnet and freenode
[12:55] <crevette> I'm in a middle on something else
[12:56] <crevette> I'm finishing that and I'm back
[12:56] <persia> crevette, OK.  I'm falling asleep and have a couple meetings left tonight, so I won't be much help until tomorrow.
[12:57] <crevette> okay
[12:57] <crevette> tomorrow is when for you ? 8 hours ?
[12:58] <persia> more like 12, as I'll be attending meetings for the next 3 at least, and probably have to chase some stuff after that.
[13:03] <persia> So, the Mobile Team meeting is starting in #ubuntu-meeting, if anyone is interested.
[13:03]  * crevette goes there to see what look like an IRC meeting
[15:14] <persia> Hurrah!  Successful -mid install with only two tweaks to the image.  The next set of dailies should be clean.
[15:15]  * ogra applauds
[15:16] <persia> It's really quite impressive the number of different places one needs to do the exact same thing for that to work.
[18:18] <mrxmike> the normal ubuntu intrepid (kernel) does' not run on my atom based intel d945gclf
[18:19] <mrxmike> system, a bit sorry if you ask me.....
[18:29] <zender> could you please tell me how to make ubuntu mobile to search wireless networks ?
[18:36] <ogra> zender, if it detected your wlan card it should just list the available accesspoints in the little applet at the top right
[18:37] <ogra> mrxmike, what makes you think that ?
[18:38] <zender> ogra if i type iwconfig i get no wireless extension
[18:38] <zender> and the wifi led is ON
[18:38] <zender> and in windows it works fine
[18:38] <ogra> looks liek the kernel has no driver for your card, do you know which card that is?
[18:38] <zender> no i have eee 1000 h
[18:39] <zender> just tell me where to search and ill do it
[18:41] <ogra> lspci should list all builtin devices
[18:41] <ogra> open a terminal and type that in
[18:42] <ogra> then look for wlan or wireless in the ouput
[18:44] <zender> no wlan or wireless only network controler and ehternet controller
[18:45] <ogra> do you have a BIOS setting for the wlan device ? probably its switched off in the bios
[18:45] <ogra> there is also the lsusb command in case your wlan device is usb btw
[18:46] <zender> one sec to check the wlan
[18:46] <zender> but if its set to 0 in bios
[18:47] <zender> shouldnt that mean its off in windows as well?\
[18:47] <ogra> likely, but it still helps to check :)
[18:47] <ogra> do you have any HW killswitch on the outside of the case that could be off ?
[18:48] <zender> in bios onboard wlan is enabled
[18:48] <zender> no man.. its a simple laptop.. and wifi led is ON everytime
[18:48] <ogra> well, anything in lsusb ?
[18:49]  * ogra wonders where the wlan device is hiding
[18:49] <zender> 1 sec its booting up
[18:49] <zender> took a trip to bios
[18:50] <zender> man but can't i rearange the icons position on the upward taskbar?\
[18:50] <ogra> sure
[18:51] <ogra> you need to unlock them first
[18:51] <ogra> right click and uncheck the "locked" in the contxt menu
[18:53] <zender> ok i can move the one to the left of the clock.. but what about the ones on the right ?
[18:53] <zender> sound and battery etc
[18:53] <ogra> battery sits in the notification area
[18:53] <zender> lsusb doesnt show anything with wlan included
[18:53] <ogra> you can only move the whole area
[18:54] <ogra> volume control and brigntens are on their own, you can eparately move them
[18:54] <ian_brasil> zender: did you put your device into suspend ever?
[18:54] <ogra> well, thats a bit weird, so your system doesnt have a wireless card apparently :P
[18:54] <zender> no.. i just instaled the ubuntu
[18:55] <ogra> he means under windows
[18:55] <zender> well.. it should have one as in windows i can use it
[18:55] <ogra> did you ever suspend it under windows ?
[18:55] <zender> what do you mean by suspend?
[18:55] <ogra> some windows drivers have a bad habit to disable devices if you put it to sleep
[18:56] <zender> close down the monitor sure
[18:56] <zender> but the wifi its still working after its live again
[18:57] <ian_brasil> windows can put your card into deep sleep so nothing else can see it
[18:58] <zender> so what do you recommand
[18:59] <ian_brasil> if you have a net connection (sorry i missed the first part of your conversation) try this command in a shell
[18:59] <ian_brasil> sudo -C network
[18:59] <zender> i did try to connect my ethernet cable but ubuntu didnt react in any way
[19:00] <ian_brasil> oope ...sudo lshw -C network
[19:00] <ogra> ah, finally
[19:00] <ogra> it has an RT2700E
[19:00]  * ogra wonders why its so hard to find any proper spec for that device
[19:00] <zender> are you talking about my laptop ?
[19:01] <ogra> yes
[19:01] <zender> is that good or bad?
[19:02] <zender> sudo lshw command not found
[19:02] <ian_brasil> apt-get install lshw
[19:03] <ian_brasil> it shows info about hardware configuration
[19:03] <zender> could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/log - open )13 permission denied)
[19:03] <zender> unable to lock the administration directory
[19:03] <ian_brasil> sudo in front
[19:03] <zender> couldnt find package lshw
[19:04] <ogra> ian_brasil, he would have to install lshw from the net anyway
[19:04] <ogra> which kind of doesnt work without network :)
[19:04] <mrxmike> ogra: well.. 64bit intrepid desktop/server kernel crashes (of the livecd)
[19:05] <ogra> 64bit ??
[19:05] <mrxmike> yes
[19:05] <ogra> atom is definately not 64bit
[19:05] <zender> ian_brasil can i copy it from windows from internet somewhere? and unpack it in ubuntu?
[19:05] <ian_brasil> ah, i thought zender was just debugging a wifi problem
[19:05] <ogra> he is
[19:05] <mrxmike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverthorne_(CPU)
[19:05] <mrxmike> ogra: atom is 64bit
[19:05] <mrxmike> supports full EMT64 set
[19:06] <Nanojit> Those Atoms in netbooks aren't 64-bit :X
[19:06] <ian_brasil> zender: you have an ethernet connection
[19:06] <zender> im not sure.. at first i tried to instal a 64bit ubuntu and it didnt work
[19:06] <mrxmike> "Instruction set 	x86, x86-64"
[19:06] <zender> ian_brasil yes but not recognised by ubuntu
[19:07] <ian_brasil> zender: the card is not recognised or you do not get an IP address?
[19:07] <ogra> mrxmike, afaik silvethrone is a 686
[19:07] <mrxmike> it is
[19:07] <mrxmike> with 64bit instructions
[19:07] <mrxmike> check the wiki
[19:07] <zender> ian_brasil if i plug in the ethernet cable nothing happens
[19:07] <ian_brasil> try opening a terminal and typing sudo dhclient
[19:08] <zender> the lspci shows a ethernet nad network controller
[19:08] <zender> and
[19:08] <ogra> mrxmike, well, then the wiki knows more than me all the atoms i'v seen and had in my hands yet are 32bit
[19:08] <ian_brasil> with the ethernet cable plugged in obviously
[19:08] <zender> :)
[19:08] <zender> if i do that i loose conection with you
[19:09] <ian_brasil> well try it and see what happens ..people here hang around for hours normally :)
[19:09] <mrxmike> ogra: http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/06/24/atom_230_4.jpg
[19:09] <mrxmike> EM64T you see that?
[19:09] <zender> ok 1 sec
[19:10] <zender> btw if i get connection can i activate it somehow?
[19:10] <zender> so that i chat from there
[19:10] <ian_brasil> when you get a connection just open a browser
[19:11] <ogra> mrxmike, i wont argue with you, i personally have seen a lot of atoms in the last two years, none of them would have been 64bit capable but that doesnt mean they dont exist
[19:11] <ian_brasil> zender do this
[19:11] <zender> be right back
[19:11] <zender> shoot
[19:11] <ian_brasil> reboot with the cable in
[19:11] <ian_brasil> open a terminal and type
[19:11] <ian_brasil> sudo dhclient
[19:12] <mrxmike> ogra: well.. we can discus without 'having a fight' > i mean -> im talking about the "Atom 230" single core
[19:12] <ian_brasil> and then type ifconfig
[19:12] <ogra> mrxmike, and none of them had even a Z in its versioning
[19:12] <mrxmike> it reports as 64bit
[19:12] <mrxmike> Z?
[19:12] <ogra> you pointed to a Z530
[19:12] <ian_brasil> the first command will try to get a connection
[19:12] <Nanojit> The 64-bit versions are  of the desktop variant.
[19:13] <ian_brasil> and the second will show if you are connected or not
[19:13] <mrxmike> ogra: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/b3nnylase/giga_atom/cpuz2000.png
[19:13] <ogra> Nanojit, right, rarely found in any of the mobile devices :)
[19:13] <mrxmike> that was a cpu-z thing i think...
[19:14] <zender> anything else ian_brasil
[19:14] <ian_brasil> well try to remember what the commands say ;)
[19:14] <zender> wrote them down
[19:14] <zender> thx
[19:14] <zender> be right back
[19:14] <ian_brasil> if you do not get a connection that is
[19:15] <mrxmike> ogra: are you a dev as well? ;)
[19:15] <ogra> mrxmike, http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/06/24/atom_230_4.jpg Name: "Intel Atom Z530" ... but no point in discussing that here, as Nanojit says, thats likely a server CPU, you would be better off to discuss it in #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu-kernel, nobody in this channel will have had his hands on a 64bit capable atom on a mobile device
[19:15] <ogra> mrxmike, yes
[19:16] <mrxmike> a 'server cpu'? :S
[19:16] <mrxmike> ahh well
[19:16] <mrxmike> you're right
[19:16] <ogra> well, you wont find it in a UMPC or MID :)
[19:16] <Nanojit> The eee Box uses it.
[19:16] <Nanojit> I guess.
[19:16] <ogra> with luck there might be laptops or desktops with it
[19:16] <mrxmike> no ok, and we are not gonna argue about silly things :)
[19:17] <mrxmike> ogra: i bought a D945GCLF board with one of those atom 230's for 50euro
[19:17] <ogra> Nanojit, the biggest i have seen in a eee was a dual core atom yet
[19:17] <mrxmike> (bundled)
[19:17] <mrxmike> its for workstations/netops, not servers
[19:18] <ogra> well, i doubt anyone hes done any work of integrating that into linux then, if it doesnt use a plain amd64 instruction set it simply might not work
[19:20] <Nanojit> mrxmike, you tried the daily builds?
[19:20] <ogra> it might have some obscue enhancements that are not supported yet ...
[19:20] <mrxmike> Nanojit: yep :)
[19:20] <ogra> did you try any 32bit variant ?
[19:20] <mrxmike> ogra: im willing to do some work
[19:20] <mrxmike> ogra: currently installing 32bit ver. all seems good ... so far.. its nearly done installing, bit slow though
[19:21] <ogra> mrxmike, then -kernel is the right place :)
[19:21] <ogra> they will surely appreciate help if the 64bit version doesnt work yet
[19:29] <tonyespy> nxvl: have you already initiated the sync??
[19:44] <ogra> ah, zenders eee uses a Atheros AR8121 apparently
[19:44]  * ogra wonders if madwifi supports that
[19:45] <zender2> ok
[19:45] <zender2> im in
[19:45] <zender2> got the network to work
[19:45] <zender2> what now
[19:45] <zender2> ian_brasil,
[19:45] <zender2> ethernet is working.. not wifi
[19:46] <ian_brasil> cool, some progree then
[19:46] <ogra> zender2, so i found another spec, that says your wlan could be Atheros AR8121
[19:46] <ogra> which should actually be supported out of the box
[19:47] <ogra> at least with the ubuntu-mobile image
[19:47] <zender2> what should i type to check that
[19:47] <zender2> ok lshw works
[19:47] <ogra> well, lspci should show it actually
[19:48] <ian_brasil> ]what is the output of lshw
[19:48]  * ogra has to go now
[19:48] <zender2> lots of info
[19:48] <ian_brasil> lshw -C network
[19:48] <zender2> ok thx ogra for all the help
[19:49] <ian_brasil> caio ogra
[19:49] <zender2> 3 networks with a *
[19:50] <zender2> one unclaimed one disabled and one ethernet
[19:51] <zender2> u still there?
[19:51] <ian_brasil> yes
[19:52] <ian_brasil> which is disabled?
[19:52] <zender2> do  you want copy paste
[19:52] <zender2> description: ethernet interface
[19:52] <zender2> a mac adress
[19:53] <ian_brasil> paste it into paste.ubuntu.com
[19:55] <zender2> done
[19:55] <zender2> zender the user
[19:56] <zender2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/55753/
[19:57] <zender2> and btw i cant get java to work
[19:58] <zender2> or install
[19:58] <zender2> from the get plugin option when accesing a java requiring site
[19:59] <zender2> are you still there?
[20:00] <zender2> just help me get wifi on
[20:00] <zender2> if you can
[20:02] <ian_brasil> i am here..i got called away for a second
[20:05] <ian_brasil> well it seems according to the paste you do not have a wireless interface
[20:06] <zender2> can u trust my word i have it in windows
[20:06] <ian_brasil> what about the output of lspci
[20:08] <zender2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/55755/
[20:13] <zender2> so?
[20:14] <zender2> no problem man ill try to fix it myself
[20:14] <zender2> thx for everything ye
[20:14] <zender2> bye
[20:16] <zender> im still around but on the pc
[20:20] <ian_brasil> ok
[20:20] <ian_brasil> what does lspci say
[20:21] <ian_brasil> it looks to me like suspend has put your wireless card into a deep sleep mode
[20:21] <ian_brasil> so it is not visible
[20:23] <ian_brasil> zender: maybe try booting in windows to find out the name of your card
[20:24] <ian_brasil> if lspci outputs nothing
[20:25] <zender> so how do i do that in windows?
[20:25] <zender> anyway im on my way to installing ubuntu eee
[20:25] <zender> ok i found the wireless card
[20:25] <zender> its ralink
[20:26] <zender> the one that was unused
[20:26] <ian_brasil> ah ok
[20:27] <ian_brasil> so lspci ouputs something like
[20:27] <ian_brasil> 0000:01:02.0 Network controller: RaLink: Unknown device 0302
[20:30] <ian_brasil> zender: if so you need the drivers..a good tutorial for this is here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=132980
[20:34] <zender> thx man ill try that if it doesnt work with ubuntu eee
[20:35] <ian_brasil> this card works so you should be ok
[21:39] <zender> ian_brasil
[21:39] <zender> u there?
[21:42] <ian_brasil> sim
[21:42] <ian_brasil> oops..yes
[21:42] <zender> man i just installed ubuntu eee and its great
[21:42] <zender> wifi is so on
[21:42] <zender> and i want to get it to work even faster
[21:42] <zender> and they say to upgrade to this kernerl
[21:42] <zender> http://www.array.org/ubuntu/
[21:42] <zender> but i dont know what to press :)
[21:45] <ian_brasil> you followed this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC/
[21:46] <ian_brasil> if i were you i would do some of these tweaks first http://www.nerdlogger.com/2008/05/asus-eeepc-installing-ubuntu-804.html https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC/Using
[21:47] <zender> no i didnt follow the first tutorial u gave me
[21:47] <zender> what is the tweaking going to improve ?
[21:48] <ian_brasil> ok..so that is sort of the canonical url for eeepc stuff
[21:50] <zender> can u please tell me what should i do to instal this kernel? http://www.array.org/ubuntu/
[21:52] <Nanojit> http://www.array.org/ubuntu/setup.html <-- Have you tried this?
[21:52] <Nanojit> It seems pretty straightforward.
[21:53] <zender> yup just wanted to make sure.. cuz i saw lots of things like updates
[21:54] <zender> and didnt know if i had to instal those as well
[21:54] <Nanojit> Updates will be taken care of if you do as that page says.
[22:00] <zender> is netbook remix any good? does it reload faster?
[22:01] <zender> boot
[22:42] <FreeSoul> hi guys!
[22:43] <FreeSoul> does ubuntu mobile can be run as live?
[22:43] <FreeSoul> or it can be just installed?
[22:45] <Nanojit> It also works as a live system.
[22:45] <FreeSoul> yohooooooooooooooooo :D
[22:45] <Vuokko> it should be installed but it is also live system
[22:45] <FreeSoul> yeah this is a great idea!!!
[22:45] <FreeSoul> and anybody tested it on a Benq mid s6?
[22:46] <FreeSoul> i'm gonna try it on saturday i think
[22:46] <FreeSoul> i really hope it works because I don't like midinux all that much
[22:54] <zender> can you tell me how to remove name and password requirement when i boot up linux?


[12:25] <mhb> Riddell: thank you for the positive mid-term survey.
[12:26] <mhb> Riddell: that means - I don't know what you wrote about me, but you answered "yes" on the most important question of all :o)
[12:31] <odla> ScottK: no memory problems thus far ... it's now installing the upgrades
[12:32] <ScottK> OK.
[12:33] <odla> ScottK: do you know if there is some long that i should to ubuntu about this when it completes or fails?
[12:33] <odla> s long/log
[12:34] <ScottK> File bugs if there are problems.
[12:34] <ScottK> Also see the Tribe 3 announcement on kubuntu.org for a link to where you can leave comments.
[12:35] <odla> ScottK: ok ... thanks for the help
[12:35] <ScottK> no problem
[12:35] <odla> he he ... powermanager says the battery has been removed
[12:36] <odla> one other quick question ... why not include krita by default, sort of as a kde GIMP replacement?
[12:36] <ScottK> Dunno
[12:37] <ScottK> I'm currently trying to fix the upgrader bug, so I'm still on Feisty.
[01:00] <odla> crashed during clean up phase and bug comment added :)
[01:25] <lontra> the onscreen LCD for volume control is called kmilo right?
[01:27] <manchicken> Yeah, but it's an OSD
[01:27] <lontra> manchicken: he he ... right ;)
[01:43] <ryanakca> Riddell: since kwwii isn't here at the moment (I'll pass it by him on Monday when I get back from camping), the "Fixed" kdm Dialog.png are (pick the one you like best) available at http://blog.ryanak.ca/archives/35
[01:43] <ryanakca> (they're dark in the thumbnail, click on them to see fullsized, white background)
[01:50] <mhb> This post is password protected. To view it please enter your password below:
[01:50] <mhb> ryanakca: ^^
[02:03] <DaSkreech> So I get Broadband today
[02:03] <DaSkreech> What shall I test it on?
[02:04] <DaSkreech> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-3/
[02:04] <DaSkreech>  :-)
[02:39] <xerosis> mhb: password is 'kubuntu'
[02:56] <mhb> xerosis: I thought it would be something like "kubuntu" or "ryan"
[03:49] <ryanakca> mhb: hehe, wow, I thought I had removed that, oh well
[03:49] <ryanakca> mhb: which one do you like
[03:50] <ryanakca> mhb: there, I managed to take it off
[03:55] <lontra> there isn't a kde-games meta package in gutsy?
[03:55] <lontra> why?
[03:55] <lontra> sorry ... nevermind
[03:59] <mhb> ryanakca: I like the idea of having a not-so-gradienty login "window"
[04:00] <ryanakca> mhb: when you put them into KDM, the transparency really kicks in...
[04:00] <mhb> ryanakca: I'd like them plainer, to be honest
[04:00] <ryanakca> mhb: they are just as gradiently. All I did was mess with the logo size, and the ration of logo to box
[04:00] <ryanakca> s/ration/ratio
[04:01] <ryanakca> it's the same box. The whole idea behind it was to fix the 'line' from the circular/elliptical gradient next to the last "u" in Kubuntu...
[04:01] <mhb> I got to talk to Kenneth about dropping some of those gradients.
[04:02] <mhb> ryanakca: I'm probably too tired to see the difference/judge the best one :o)
[04:02] <ryanakca> mhb: go right ahead. Or, download the .svg , drop them yourself, and give him your proposal
[04:03] <mhb> ryanakca: ah, neat, thanks
[04:54] <DasKreech> :-D
[05:00] <Tm_P> hrr
[05:03] <Tm_P> wheee
[05:21] <DasKreech> >_<
[05:22] <DasKreech> can't test compiz on the Live CD
[06:53] <nixternal> hrmm, it seems that Kubuntu won't be apart of the Ubuntu training stuff
[06:54] <DasKreech> Why not?
[06:56] <nixternal> don't know, but it is kind of upsetting
[06:58] <nixternal> I kind of get sick of the feeling of being put on a back burner..
[06:59] <nixternal> the talent that is here tends to get overlooked...just think, a majority of these people are responsible for creating what could be the most popular KDE distro among the community
[07:00] <nixternal> if you use KDE, and are into the whole free software thing, 3 OS's come to mind for offering top knotch KDE implementations, Kubuntu, openSUSE, and BSD
[07:00] <nixternal> granted KDE 4 is a PITA to get running on BSD ;p
[07:05] <DasKreech> :-)
[07:05] <DasKreech> Does MacOSX count?
[07:15] <nixternal> well, they just got my 2 cents
[07:15] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[07:16] <nixternal> gotta take the garbage out..brb
[07:16] <Hobbsee> heya nixternal!
[07:18] <DasKreech> !hobbsee
[07:18] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[07:19] <Hobbsee> hiya DasKreech
[07:20] <DasKreech> how areyou?
[07:29] <DasKreech> Still Not sold on dolphin
[07:31] <DasKreech> nixternal: Ping
[07:32] <nixternal> yo yo
[07:35] <DasKreech> How the heck does strigi work?
[07:35] <DasKreech> The Konqueror thing crashes it?
[07:36] <nixternal> I have no clue..I haven't used it in a while
[07:37] <DasKreech> The Dolphin here isn't the same as the Dolphin in KDE4?
[07:39] <nixternal> it is close
[07:39] <DasKreech> :-)
[07:40] <DasKreech> without the nice Line views
[10:09] <_StefanS_> morning
[10:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: could you commit directly to k-d-s?
[11:03] <tmske> Hi, When I try to open something with kaffeine X crahses, kaffeine does seem to play because I can hear some sound of the movie (like 1 or 2 seconds).  How can I find debug info about what causes the crash?
[11:06] <Riddell> run it through gdb?
[11:08] <tmske> I'm not familiar with gdb but I'm willing to try, I'll first read some tutorials
[11:11] <Tm_P> hmm, kaffeine with xine or gst?
[11:11] <Tm_P> I wonder if it could be xv problem
[11:12] <Tm_P> saw something about Crash happy xv somewhere, but Can't remember
[11:12] <tmske> Tm_P: kaffeine with xine I suppose, haven't changed it
[11:17] <tmske> well, X just crashed again, I was just playing a movie with mplayer, driver: xv but it's the first time x crashed while playing a movie with mplayer
[12:01] <Tonio_> hi
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry for the 2 ftbfs uploads yesterday..... I was just so busy that I didn't upload the good packages, once again...
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: katapult is fixes this time :)
[12:07] <Riddell> can't say I even noticed them :)
[12:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: how come you deleted session/kmix from k-d-s?
[01:07] <pgquiles_> are freetype and X.org in gutsy compiled with subpixel rendering?
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: because it is useless
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is no need of this for kmix to start
[01:08] <Tonio_> just add kmix to ksmserverrc is enough, same thing for katapult
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not even sure ksmserver considers session files that aren't in the user profile to be honnest
[01:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: does it start minimised?
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: would be interesting to test this on a new profile btw :)
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: but here it starts minimized, as does katapult
[01:10] <Riddell> the reason for the file was to make it minimised
[01:11] <Riddell> or hidden even, only in the system tray
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: if it doesn't we'll notice this testing the next tribe, we can switch back then
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I already tested removing the session entries for the french parliament, and didn't notice any regression on that point
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: so on the very first start it wasn't minimized before this ?
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I'll test and readd the file if I notice any regression
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test that toonight
[01:12] <Riddell> as far as I remember, it was done in hoary time
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki, well it may have sense than the application state was in the session file
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that's not required for katapult for example, that's why it would be nice testing this :)
[01:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes, but, which one should I commit?
[01:18] <pgquiles_> Riddell: are freetype and X.org in gutsy compiled with subpixel rendering?
[01:23] <Riddell> ryanakca: I can't see much difference between the ones you have posted, but I would just remove the white background blur entirely
[01:24] <Riddell> ryanakca: not number 3, big logo nicer
[01:42] <kwwii> erm, posted? where?
[01:42] <ryanakca> Riddell: so, get rid of the white blur behind the logo?
[01:44] <kwwii> ryanakca: link?
[01:44] <ryanakca> http://blog.ryanak.ca/archives/35
[01:46] <kwwii> ryanakca: it would probably be easier to judge the logos if they were overlaid on the background
[01:47] <kwwii> as one would not notice the white gradient behind the logos so much
[01:47] <ryanakca> kwwii: *nods*
[01:49] <ryanakca> kwwii: sorry, I have to go to my "Life Guard"-ing lesson, erm. I'll try to do that this afternoon when I get back, before going camping, or, when I get back from camping (unless you want to do it meanwhile)
[01:49] <kwwii> no problem, I am online all day and night :-)
[01:49] <ryanakca> :)
[01:49] <kwwii> I might find some time on the weekend to play with things as well
[01:50] <ryanakca> well, late Sunday
[02:13] <kwwii> ryanakca: have a fun camping trip
[02:18] <mhb> kwwii: another one of my stupid, ugly ideas: how about making the KDM "foreground window" with less gloss? http://bayimg.com/naEecAAbc
[03:10] <hunger> mhb: I am for it... as long as that ugly user list vanishes;-)
[03:12] <mhb> hunger: removing user list was not what I intended to do, it's just the side effect of using a mockup without it
[03:12] <hunger> mhb: I assumed that, but I still had hope;-)
[03:25] <Riddell> mhb: how's restricted-manager progressing?
[03:37] <manchicken> Amarok seems to be having a hard time reading from postgres.
[03:40] <manchicken> Lots of updates this morning.
[03:45] <kwwii> mhb: probably a good idea, I think
[03:48] <hunger> yakuake is behaving really strange ever since I updated my xserver.
[03:49] <hunger> Does no longer stay properly in the foreground.
[03:49] <manchicken> Unfortunately, the newest version of amarok doesn't like some of its existing configs.
[03:50] <manchicken> I just had to create a new table for amarok and reset the scan directory.
[03:50] <manchicken> Simple... but annoying.
[03:57] <manchicken> kmail needs better threading or something.
[03:57] <manchicken> It's really annoying when the mail editor locks up during a mail sync.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hurrah, commit access to debian qt kde svn...
[04:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[04:43] <Riddell> rebonjour
[04:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe :)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_!
[04:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: wanted to know if you have knowledge in dcop
[04:44] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee :)
[04:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: just in case you might be able to help on the kdesudo part on that point
[04:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: we just miss one command line function to make it possible to replace the all kdesu, so we're not that far to be able to put it in gutsy
[04:45] <Riddell> excellent, I've been using it today for this kiosk work
[04:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: and as mhb is a bit alone on that part, I though any other developper miht be able to help :)
[04:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, the ida is just to reproduce the same functionnality as kdesu as
[04:46] <Tonio_> unfortunatelly I can't help on that point....
[04:47] <mhb> I must admit that I'm pretty lousy, when it comes to DCOP and handling connections using ICEAUTHORITY and such
[04:47] <Tonio_> mhb: nobody's perfect :)
[04:47] <Tonio_> mhb: I though manchicken could eventually help on that point
[04:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you think you might have a bit of time to help on that point before it is too late to test and eventually consider a default inclusion on kubuntu ?
[04:54] <ryanakca> kwwii: back
[04:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the issue?
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: adding the command line option
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: nonewdcop, which is used in  kcontrol, to let a kcm module go administrator
[04:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: that currently doesn't with kdesudo because of this missing command line option
[04:56] <Tonio_> mhb: can you describe the issue eventually, you might have more infos than me on that point :)
[04:57] <Riddell> hunger: what has it secured?
[04:57] <hunger> No idea:-)
[04:57] <Riddell> that's handy then
[04:58] <mhb> Riddell: the elevated application should reconnect to the user's dcop server
[04:58] <hunger> Actually the stuff looks pretty broken for ubuntu... Granting read access to X on /usr/X11R6 and stuff.
[04:58] <hunger> Riddell: Looks like it covers a couple of services only... and those are disabled by default.
[04:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: tricky stuff that, I'll try and take a look soon
[04:59] <mhb> Riddell: I was trying to copy the code over from the kdesu (actually from the stub, I think), but my code segfaults after mkstemp()...
[04:59] <Riddell> poke me if I forget
[04:59] <mhb> Riddell: you can check out my pointless attempt at http://mhb.ath.cx/tmp/dcop/ , not sure if it helps, though.
[05:00] <hunger> Riddell: Anyway, apparmor makes me feel more secure:-) I guess that is all that counts anyway.
[05:03] <kwwii> ryanakca: feel free to send me an email of anything, or just put it in if you feel happy with it, we can still work out the fine points later
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't mind, I'll poke you ;) mhb knows I'm very capable of poking people everyday ;)
[05:14] <jjesse> mroning
[05:15] <nixternal> mornin'
[05:15] <jjesse> morning nixternal
[05:15] <nixternal> OK, I know Kubuntu has been adopted by some fairly large agencies..but the only one I can remember is the French government..who else has switched to Kubuntu or uses Kubuntu that is somewhat high profile?
[05:16] <nixternal> jjesse: that training stuff annoys me
[05:16] <jjesse> nixternal: yeah?  focusing only on ubuntu again
[05:16] <ryanakca> kwwii: ok
[05:17] <nixternal> they want it to be able to train corporate users, yet they have games, music and video stuff...silly
[05:17] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, and I don't remember some large success story about Ubuntu just yet besides everyone and there mother using it
[05:17] <Riddell> ..Dell
[05:17] <ryanakca> kwwii: mhb was talking about getting rid of the gradient in the box? I'm thinking maybe of something 'frosty' for it? No clue how one would draw that, I'm just starting to learn Inkscape...
[05:17] <nixternal> ya, but that was a biased deal if you ask me
[05:18] <Riddell> nixternal: Kubuntu users are Canary island schools and Georgia schools
[05:18] <nixternal> I am glad it happened of course
[05:18] <nixternal> Riddell: and Google? :)
[05:18] <Riddell> also there's a company in venzualia shifting 100,000 Kubuntu machines in some way which I forget
[05:18] <ryanakca> hmm... *wonders how he can convince his School board to switch from SUSE to Kubuntu*.
[05:18] <nixternal> ryanakca: I have been trying here
[05:18] <Riddell> nixternal: sure, they Ubuntu with whichever desktop the individual wants
[05:19] <nixternal> their Goobuntu is based off of Kubuntu supposedly
[05:19] <Riddell> "they Ubuntu with whichever desktop the individual wants"
[05:19] <nixternal> hehe
[05:20] <Riddell> if your school board is already running free software I don't see much point in trying to change their distro
[05:20] <ryanakca> nixternal: Umm... dunno if it counts, but the local theatre (where I volunteer) is considering setting up a desktop with Ubuntu Studio for video/audio editing, and having an Ubuntu Server that burns Audio recordings of the shows for sale within 10 minutes after the Concert...
[05:21] <nixternal> our courthouse uses Ubuntu in their kiosks...which is pretty good
[05:21] <ryanakca> Riddell: they aren't... yet. They plan on switching in the next couple years, at least that's what I hear from the school techie
[05:21] <nixternal> our school uses Novell because of the support conracts..so we have SLES and SLED as well
[05:25] <kwwii> ryanakca: yeah, I liked the idea of not using such a glassy look (and then we would not need so many boxes))
[05:29] <ryanakca> kwwii: would it be better to have a plain glass, with a bit of shine in a corner, and shading in the other, or frosted glass or ?
[05:30] <kwwii> I am guessing that putting some shininess in the corners or such would look nice
[05:30] <kwwii> in the end it is a matter of playing around until you're happy
[05:31] <Riddell> that pretty much sums up doing artwork :)
[05:31] <ryanakca> hehe :{
[05:31] <ryanakca> :)
[05:31] <kwwii> Riddell: it is just fun and games :p
[05:33] <kwwii> ok, I'm off for dinner...bbl
[05:38] <rbrunhuber> Hi, nice to see Tribe 3 released, although the part on kde 4 is extremely scarce on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe3/Kubuntu#head-4035e326d1c2905c11a346a48f553f8d93e0c570
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why would one use a control.in file, instead fo a plain control file?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: please feel free to work with nixternal on it for tribe 4
[05:42] <Hobbsee> oh bleh.  isee.
[05:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: only if you are insane, packages doing that are very likely to be rejected from NEW
[05:44] <Hobbsee> right
[05:45] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee, Riddell: I did not find any information myself... . Tried to use the kubuntu.org way for the first kde release but did not work.
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good thing it's to debian, not ubuntu
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: besides, was i ever sane?
[05:51] <Riddell> ryanakca: what's up with it?
[06:30] <nixternal> so, what do we have on the plate for today?
[06:30] <Hobbsee> nixternal: fix bugs.
[06:31] <Hobbsee> nixternal: report all of the kdenetwork bugs upstream that are applicable, please.
[06:31] <nixternal> roger dodger
[06:31] <Hobbsee> good man :)
[06:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: what's up with what?
[06:43] <Riddell> I ment rbrunhuber
[06:44] <Riddell> nixternal: how was Phil R?
[06:46] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: Where is the how to use the kde4 packages documented?
[06:48] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: it isn't yet, I need someone to test and tell me they're ok
[06:49] <nixternal> Riddell: we are going to meet on Sunday..he was super busy yesterday
[06:50] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: This is a hen and egg problem then. How to test the packages if there is no how to use the packages?
[06:50] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: install kde4base, set the environement variables as for previous versions, run
[06:51] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : As documented on kubuntu.org for older versions?
[06:52] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php. I'll tried this with version from a few days ago but that did not work. Will make an upgrade and retry then.  I have a window and a clock here ;p
[07:04] <jjesse> sometimes it seems like that
[07:04] <nixternal> haha
[07:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: doesnt say that htey're right though..
[07:04] <jjesse> i come in say hi and want to do somehting else, but then i leave
[07:04] <nixternal> Hobbsee: depending on where you are at I guess
[07:04] <nixternal> hehe
[07:04] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:19] <jjesse> so now that the adept-gutsy spec is obsolete is there another spec to help track changes to adept for gutsy?
[07:32] <Riddell> kubuntu-gutsy-adept
[07:32] <Riddell> jjesse: ^^
[07:32] <jjesse> thanks Riddell
[07:32] <jjesse> Riddell: cleared w/ boss today trip to UDS boston
[07:33] <Riddell> jjesse: oh, groovy, although nothing is final on our side yet mind
[07:33] <Riddell> but they don't have a past record of refusing the people I've requested
[07:34] <jjesse> Riddell: i totally understand that, but needed to get vacation requests for 4th qtr yet
[07:34] <jjesse> already
[07:34] <Riddell> nasty
[07:34] <jjesse> yeah it is but when you are a consultant on multiple 4-8 week jobs, they get scheduled early
[07:40] <nixternal> man, I wish the government was that fast. I have been waiting almost 3 weeks to see if they approved me missing class for a week
[07:41] <jjesse> wow
[07:41] <nixternal> I keep checking the mail for my letter
[07:41] <nixternal> the last one they said no because it wasn't business related..so this time I went the "educational" route
[07:44] <jjesse_> is that for UDS Boston or just a class you missed?
[07:44] <nixternal> uds boston
[07:45] <nixternal> I can't miss class
[07:45] <jjesse_> you better make it :)
[07:45] <nixternal> hehe, it is sooooo close
[07:45] <nixternal> well not that close, but closer
[08:32] <jjesse_> slow friday eh?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> seems so.  saturday here
[08:33] <jjesse_> does that mean you have the new harry potter already?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> nope.  4.5 hours
[08:33] <jjesse_>  oh are you getting it today then?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> i actually havent read the last 6 recently, so probably wont get it tomorrow anyway
[08:34] <Hobbsee> as i'll want to read it frist
[08:34] <jjesse_> me wife and i jsut finished ready 6 again so we can't wait for UPS to show up tomorrow
[08:37] <Hobbsee> !jdong is <reply> Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:37] <jdong> lol
[08:37] <jdong> the bots not listening to you :D
[08:37] <Hobbsee> this bot hates me
[08:37] <jdong> !jdong is <reply> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:37] <jdong> lol it's definitely not gonna listen to me
[08:38] <jjesse_> interesting UPS tracking shows the book is headig here today
[08:38] <jjesse_> now i can't wait to get home ;)
[08:38] <Hobbsee> !foo
[08:38] <ubotu> foo is bar
[08:38] <Hobbsee> !forget foo
[08:38] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Hobbsee
[08:38] <Hobbsee> !foo is bar
[08:38] <ubotu> But foo already means something else!
[08:38] <Hobbsee> !foo
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about foo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:39] <Hobbsee> !no foo is bar
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about foo yet, Hobbsee
[08:39] <Hobbsee> !foo is bar
[08:39] <Hobbsee> %whoami
[08:39] <ubotu> Hobbsee
[08:39] <Hobbsee> !jdong is <reply> Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:39] <Hobbsee> !jdongcrack is <reply> Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:39] <jdong> LOL
[08:39] <Hobbsee> !jdongcrack is <reply> Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:39] <Hobbsee> okay, so i do get an error for that
[08:40] <Hobbsee> !jdongcrack is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:40] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[08:40] <Hobbsee> !jdong is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:40] <mhb> we're getting a bit offtopic here, don't we?
[08:40] <mhb> aren't we?
[08:40] <jdong> mhb: it's for a good cause?
[08:40] <jdong> ;-)
[08:40] <Hobbsee> mhb: it was in -motu, but eagles is there...
[08:40] <jdong> !jdong
[08:40] <ubotu> jdong is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:40] <Hobbsee> woo!
[08:40] <jdong> somewhat clobbered :)
[08:40] <Hobbsee> that works
[08:40] <jdong> actually that sums up my childhood..
[08:41] <Hobbsee> the bot is a bit stuffed, and has been since seveas took a break, i think
[08:45] <nixternal> Hobbsee: didn't you just go to sleep?
[08:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: supposedly
[08:45] <nixternal> that is what I thought
[08:49] <nixternal> silly bot...  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[08:54] <Hobbsee> haha :)
[08:55] <nixternal> I put it back...it just doesn't have the ring unless that is it
[08:55] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:55] <nixternal> plus the chicago guys love abusing that one on me
[08:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:55] <jdong> LOL I love that
[08:55] <jdong> nixternal: oh have you played with SUA on Vista?
[08:56] <nixternal> I have never even played with Vista
[08:56] <nixternal> haha
[08:56] <nixternal> that is the great part about that
[08:56] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[08:58] <jjesse_> what do you mean SUA on Vista?
[08:59] <jdong> jjesse_: SUA is an implementation of POSIX/*NIX in the Vista Kernel
[08:59] <jjesse_> cool
[08:59] <jdong> jjesse_: it's basically Cygwin at the kernel level; so the NT kernel speaks POSIX in the same way it speaks Win32
[09:00] <jdong> it is actually IMO the best way right now to get *nix on Windows... you honestly don't feel it being horribly slow like cygwin
[09:00] <jdong> it's the only way I can live with vista :)
[09:01] <jjesse_> i'll have to try it, i have a bunch of computers to play w/ this week
[09:01] <jjesse_> Dell optiplex 745 w/ 4 gigs of RAM
[09:03] <jdong> cool
[09:03] <jdong> yeah, the odd thing is that SUA is implemented in the same level as Win32, so Vista effectively natively "speaks" POSIX :)
[09:04] <jdong> there's been good progress in making pkgsrc work on Vista, so you'd have access to basically the NetBSD Ports tree
[09:05] <jjesse_> interesting
[09:10] <TheInfinity> hello ... the bug with dist-upgrade in already known in alpha3?
[09:11] <TheInfinity> its an kde problem :)
[09:12] <Hobbsee> please file a bug, under upgrade-manager, including all logs
[09:12] <Hobbsee> i doubt it works yet anyway
[09:13] <TheInfinity> i had to make it via bash because on 7.04 i had no xorg - nv drivers dont work in 7.2
[09:13] <TheInfinity> its a mac book pro, 1 week old ...
[09:16] <TheInfinity> report it anyway?
[09:16] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:16] <Hobbsee> if it's no use, we can just reject it
[09:17] <TheInfinity> oh an adept crash D
[09:17] <TheInfinity> :D
[09:48] <nixternal> mmm, good lunch :)
[09:48] <nixternal> jjesse_: I went to Giordanos last night, that pizza place we went to when you were here..I had a couple of left over pieces..mmm mmm good!
[09:52] <jjesse_> oh yeah that place was great
[09:54] <nixternal> holy smokes...did anyone happen to catch the image on the planet? man that is going to cause a crapstorm
[09:54] <DaSkreech> Someone put an Image on the planet?
[09:54] <DaSkreech>  That a pretty big texture map
[09:54] <DaSkreech> Is it of a busH?
[09:55] <nixternal> heh, cartoon pr0n
[10:01] <jjesse_> wow just saw the image
[10:02] <nixternal> haha
[10:03] <nixternal> Microsoft stocks rise, and Google gets in trouble with the investors
[10:03] <nixternal> lovely
[10:05] <nixternal> has anyone downloaded music from iTunes and used it with Linux?
[10:05] <nixternal> there is 1 song I want, and it is only on iTunes
[10:08] <mhb> nixternal: so who's the next one to leave Kubuntu? :o)
[10:08] <mhb> or ubuntu
[10:09] <nixternal> who has left?
[10:09] <nixternal> ahh
[10:09] <nixternal> I get it
[10:09] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:09] <jjesse_> what do you mean?
[10:09] <nixternal> think of the last crap storm that happened from a blog post
[10:13] <mhb> planet is nothing compared to the stuff that happens in the czech linux community :o)
[10:20] <TheInfinity> mhb: what happens there?
[10:22] <mhb> TheInfinity: oh well, important people (in the translation teams) insulting ubuntu and wondering why nobody from U. cooperates with them
[10:23] <mhb> TheInfinity: then there are people who insult Ubuntu translations just because their opinion was not the opinion of the majority, etc.
[10:23] <TheInfinity> tz ...
[10:24] <TheInfinity> hmm ... okay with translations we never had problems (germany)
[10:25] <TheInfinity> seems like the usual conflict which is default in almost every linux project - some people like to get very famous and thing their opinion is the best in the world ...
[10:25] <mhb> TheInfinity: no personal attacks from other teams? Then you are a happy translation team :o)
[10:25] <TheInfinity> mhb: we had some time ago other problems - some guys who wanted to make money out of the kubuntu website
[10:26] <TheInfinity> making a shop around it - and so on
[10:28] <TheInfinity> hmm ...
[10:30] <mhb> TheInfinity: it's not a bad idea, but nobody should make profit out of it
[10:30] <TheInfinity> that was the problem ;)
[10:30] <TheInfinity> thats the reason why theres kubuntu.de and kubuntu-de.org ... kubuntu-de.org is the "official" site ...
[10:31] <TheInfinity> hmm ...
[10:31] <TheInfinity> is there a problem known with gutsy and networkmanager?
[10:32] <mhb> TheInfinity: well, I've used several wireless cards and all of them had some trouble with n-m :o)
[10:32] <mhb> TheInfinity: what do you mean?
[10:32] <lontra> TheInfinity: works here with ndiswrapper
[10:33] <TheInfinity> hmm ... eth0 kicks itself with dynamic ip :/
[10:33] <TheInfinity> my wireless lan does not work at all
[10:34] <lontra> shouldn't theme manager be in system settings -> appearance?
[10:39] <_StefanS_> evening
[10:42] <lontra> so there are plans to include kickoff officially in kubuntu in 7.10?
[10:45] <_StefanS_> lontra: I havent heard anything about it.. AFAIK its alot of patches to make it work
[11:29] <DaSkreech> And kickoff sucks?
[12:05] <lontra> minor bug ... but ... after upgrading to gutsy all my artwork changed except ksplash.  ksplash still uses the old default background.  is there a workaround for this so that i can get ksplash to use the up-to-date version that uses the gutsy background?
[12:07] <seele> "Cheney to be in charge during Bush colonoscopy"
[12:07] <seele> that, by the way, is a CNN headline
[12:07] <seele> lol
[12:07] <seele> "Now George, you got to loosen those buttcheeks"


 It's in Vista class
[06:06] <Kilos> but you should be like me and wait for the major bugs to be sorted first
[06:07] <mazal> Last time I install before .1 that's for sure
[06:07] <Kilos> things are advancing too fast so bugs can be expected
[06:08] <mazal> Problem is , it's very very very basic stuff this thing struggle with. It's not even new stuff
[06:09] <mazal> Going back to 14.04.04 and will maybe try again in a year's time
[06:09] <Kilos> the new stuff is keeping guys busy so they missing the little things
[06:10] <mazal> My home pc I will keep on 16.04 , untill that breaks down also or become stable. Whichever comes first
[06:10] <Kilos> ok
[06:11] <mazal> How was the weekend oom ? Is the flu better ?
[06:11] <Kilos> worse
[06:11] <mazal> Ag nee :(
[06:11] <Kilos> slegte een
[06:11] <mazal> Are oom under the covers ?
[06:11] <mazal> Stay warm and stay still.
[06:11] <Kilos> ek moes al hekke oop maak 7.30
[06:12] <mazal> Ai !
[06:12] <Kilos> and the sheep cant stay locked up
[06:12] <mazal> is there nobody that can help ?
[06:12] <Kilos> at least sheep are when sun shines
[06:12] <paddatrapper> Morning
[06:13] <Kilos> swaar in dier bed met die gripe
[06:13] <Kilos> sis is werk toe al hoesend
[06:13] <mazal> Ai man , sterkte oom
[06:13] <mazal> Morning paddatrapper
[06:13] <Kilos> dankie man
[06:14] <Kilos> paddatrapper you well
[06:14] <paddatrapper> Yeah thanks, you Kilos?
[06:15] <Kilos> you need to keep me enlightened as to your schedule so i know when studying or writing or loafing
[06:15] <paddatrapper> Last 2 exams this week - tomorrow and Wednesday
[06:15] <Kilos> study lad
[06:16] <paddatrapper> I plan on it! Final push before I can do fun stuff again
[06:16] <Kilos> good luck
[06:16] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[06:23] <paddatrapper> Thanks
[08:45] <superfly> o/
[08:47] <theblazehen> hi superfly
[08:49] <gremble> Hey superfly theblazehen
[08:49] <theblazehen> hey gremble
[08:50] <gremble> theblazehen, Did you figure out the issues with php that you had yesterday?
[08:51] <theblazehen> gremble: Turned out to be html. Did you know that if you have site.com, and a <img src="some/file.jpg"> the browser will try and load http://site.com/site.com/some/file.jpg ?!
[08:51] <superfly> yes
[08:51] <superfly> actually, no
[08:51] <superfly> it shouldn't
[08:52] <superfly> it depends on what your current url is
[08:53] <theblazehen> current url was http://site.com/
[08:53] <theblazehen> I have a pic
[08:53] <theblazehen> 1 sec
[09:05] <theblazehen> superfly: http://imgur.com/cioZnAb
[09:05] <theblazehen> Sorry for bad pic
[09:07] <superfly> theblazehen: my guess is because of the link before, which is incorrect
[09:08] <theblazehen> the <a>? Why would that affect the <img> though?
[09:08] <theblazehen> And yeah, I know the <a> was incorrect
[09:09] <superfly> theblazehen: I'm just guessing
[09:09] <theblazehen> Was fixed by adding http:// to the start of the links
[09:19] <magespawn> by adding the http the links are no longer relative to the source of the command, i think, therefore resolve correctly
[09:22] <MaNI> /some/file.jpg would likely be just as good
[09:42] <theblazehen> magespawn: Yes, I know why the fix worked. I just don't know why it didn't break in the way I expected it to break
[10:00] <magespawn> theblazehen: i see, how did you expect it to break?
[10:00] <theblazehen> Actually wait no. I expected the img to work, but the a to break
[10:33] <mazal> Shees that took a long time
[10:34] <theblazehen> mazal: What was that?
[10:34] <mazal> theblazehen, installed 16.04 unity
[10:34] <theblazehen> ah
[10:34] <mazal> The install and updates took aaaaaaaaaaaaaages
[10:35] <mazal> Now for all the additional software and configs
[10:35] <theblazehen> yeah heh
[10:35] <mazal> Ag , needs to reboot again
[10:50] <Kilos> wb zipper
[10:50] <zipper> Kilos: Hello
[10:50] <zipper> LOL messed up arch install with efi
[10:50] <zipper> now must start over
[10:51] <Kilos> oh i thought someone stepped on the slug
[10:51] <mazal> oom Kilos
[10:51] <mazal> A favor please
[10:51] <MaNI> surely you can just boot in via a livecd and then chroot and continue the install where it went wrong?
[10:51] <Kilos> ya seun
[10:51] <MaNI> I mean starting over seems extreme :p
[10:51] <mazal> Wait 5 seconds then say my name please Kilos
[10:51] <Kilos> ok
[10:52] <Kilos> mazal
[10:52] <Kilos> mazal
[10:52] <Kilos> mazal
[10:52] <zipper> Kilos: :)
[10:52] <Kilos> hehe
[10:52] <mazal> thanx
[10:52] <mazal> Doesn't work though
[10:53] <Kilos> yw
[10:53] <Kilos> ai!
[10:54] <mazal> again please oom
[10:54] <Kilos> ok
[10:54] <Kilos> mazal
[10:54] <Kilos> mazal
[10:54] <mazal> ah there we go , thanx oom
[10:54] <Kilos> yay
[10:54] <mazal> Hexchat
[10:55] <mazal> Have to find all the settings again first. Haven't used it in a while
[10:56]  * mazal ponders if he must install rss again
[10:58] <mazal> That thing is dangerous :P
[10:58] <Kilos> you think all the 16.04 bugs were on the kde side
[10:58] <mazal> Kilos, we'll see
[10:58] <mazal> This is plan B , if this is messy as well then it's plan c
[11:03] <Kilos> hi iqbal
[11:04] <iqbal> hi Kilos
[11:04] <Kilos> what broke
[11:04] <iqbal> nothing lol
[11:04] <Kilos> hehe
[11:04] <iqbal> how are you?
[11:04] <Kilos> flu but ok ty and you?
[11:05] <iqbal> good thanks
[11:05] <anton_may> Oh thank goodness I'm not the only with the flu
[11:06] <iqbal> I'm so used to using Autocomplete on my smartphones and tablets, is there a way to use Autocomplete on my laptop?
[11:06] <Kilos> for nicks?
[11:07] <anton_may> tab ;)
[11:07] <iqbal> sorry, for when typing text, i'm a lazy bugger
[11:08] <Kilos> hehe
[11:10] <mazal> 3 less bugs already
[11:10] <mazal> Mail system icon works , feeds sort correctly , update checking actually works
[11:11] <mazal> Will test the rest as I go on
[11:11] <Kilos> lol
[11:11] <mazal> Oh and I was actually allowed to log in
[11:12] <mazal> Now the long part , install of all the additional apps :P
[11:24] <mazal> What's 16.04's default disk burner ? I see brasero not there anymore
[12:15] <anton_may> \0/ yea my first 16.04 server up and running
[12:15] <theblazehen> anton_may: Nice
[12:15] <theblazehen> Mine is also back up and running :D Got new disks, in a raid 6
[12:16] <theblazehen> anton_may: Do you mind checking if you can reach asciinema.home.theblazehen.com for me? ty
[12:16] <anton_may> Yip going put 4x2TB in raid
[12:16] <anton_may> ping?
[12:16] <theblazehen> http
[12:16] <anton_may> k hold on
[12:17] <anton_may> i can
[12:17] <theblazehen> Yay! Ty
[12:17] <theblazehen> running nginx as a reverse proxy. haproxy on pfsense didn't do what I wanted :(
[12:18] <anton_may> urg ok
[12:21] <theblazehen> Yeah. GUI configuration is nice until it isn't. Which is more often than not
[12:22] <anton_may> yip, I like to stick with stuff I know and I can setup in a matter of min, apache2 with virtual dirs
[12:37] <theblazehen> Nginx can match on the hostname, so it reads asciinema.home.theblazehen.com, does a dns lookup for asciinema.home.theblazehen.com on the dns server on pfsense, then routes to that ip
[12:38] <theblazehen> So internally it would then get <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:38] <theblazehen> Yes. I'm using a /16. Because I don't wanna run out of space in a /24
[12:39] <theblazehen> Assuming I have 254 hosts that means that currently they could each have 129 MB RAM. Yeah..
[12:40] <theblazehen> I haven't even got a second host running yet
[12:47] <Squirm> Afternoon
[12:47] <theblazehen> hi Squirm
[13:03] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[13:14] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[13:57] <anton_may> Have a good evening all, lekker slaap
[14:31] <pavlushka> Afternoon everyone!
[14:31] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos !
[14:33] <magespawn> hi pavlushka
[14:33] <pavlushka> Hey magespawn !
[14:34] <pavlushka> how are you?
[14:34] <magespawn> good and you?
[14:34] <pavlushka> me too, thanks!
[14:36] <pavlushka> magespawn: my joomla test site is up at localhost, teach me to administer it.
[14:36] <magespawn> theblazehen: planning on running a large network there then
[14:36] <magespawn> the apache side or the joomla side?
[14:36] <theblazehen> magespawn: Lets just say that I like to be prepared for what I like to imagine having..
[14:37] <theblazehen> Not sure when I'll have 254+ hosts running at home though
[14:37] <pavlushka> magespawn: joomla side?
[14:37] <pavlushka> hello theblazehen !
[14:37] <theblazehen> 253*
[14:37] <theblazehen> hey pavlushka.  Sorry to hear. Fine this side thks Kilos
[15:42] <Kilos> en my klank weg op die skoot rekeneaar nou
[15:42] <Langjan> dis daai kde ding...
[15:43] <Langjan> lmga
[15:43] <Langjan> how's the neck?
[15:43] <Kilos> my neck?
[15:44] <Langjan> headACHES
[15:44] <Kilos> oh that, not too bad today ty
[15:44] <Langjan> maybe better not to remind you
[15:45] <Kilos> no time to think about it when blowing nose every 5 mins
[15:45] <Langjan> eish, not nice! and the rent money and visa  any news?
[15:45] <Kilos> waiting to hear about rent money refund
[15:45] <Kilos> hopefully
[15:46] <Kilos> nothing from visa peeps
[15:46] <Langjan> Ok just wanted some updates, have been rolling skew balls like its going out of fashion
[15:46] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:47] <Kilos> enjoy yourself while you can
[15:47] <Langjan> rolled more than 800 since we last chatted
[15:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:48] <Langjan> ok will leave you to sort out your sound, try unity!
[15:48] <Kilos> wont help there is a unity bug filed for it
[15:48] <Kilos> and no solution
[15:48] <Kilos> haha
[15:48] <Langjan> oh my
[15:48] <Langjan> lmga
[15:48] <Kilos> since 12.04
[15:48] <Langjan> whew
[15:49] <Langjan> why does mine work?
[15:49] <Kilos> headfones work though
[15:49] <Kilos> you havent got a t410
[15:49] <Langjan> ok
[15:49] <Langjan> hardware related?
[15:50] <Langjan> or hardware specific
[15:50] <Kilos> i dont know i have tried everything they talked about in the bug report
[15:50] <Kilos> seems its a t410 ubuntu =hassle
[15:51] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2211531
[15:51] <Kilos> grrrr
[15:52] <Langjan> Good luck with it, frustrating!
[15:52] <Kilos> maybe a good klap will  fix it
[15:53] <Langjan> So you Skype to Oz with that?
[15:53] <Langjan> or break it completely...
[15:53] <Kilos> its intermittent
[15:53] <Kilos> reboot fixes it
[15:53] <Langjan> So I see
[15:53] <Kilos> seems when i play freecell that crashes it
[15:54] <Kilos> ill investigate more
[15:54] <Kilos> or else inetpro will fix it
[15:54] <Kilos> make me look is syslogs
[15:54] <Langjan> Strongs, best I can do is pray over it, don't underestimate power of prayer
[15:55] <Kilos> ty sir
[15:55] <Kilos> have a warm evening
[15:55] <Kilos> freezing here already
[15:55] <Kilos> and ty for the visit
[15:55] <Kilos> without breaking anything
[15:56] <Langjan> OK Kilos I will love and leave you, not too bad here, still over 10 deg max, how do you do the degrees thing again so I can make a note this time?
[15:56] <Kilos> oh
[15:56] <Kilos> compose key and 2 times o
[15:56] <Kilos> °
[15:57] <Langjan> °
[15:57] <Langjan> °
[15:57] <Langjan> sharp
[15:57] <Langjan> thks
[15:58] <Langjan> Lekker aand vir jou
[15:58] <Kilos> keep well
[15:58] <Langjan> mooi loop
[15:58] <Langjan> thks Kilos
[15:58] <Kilos> jy ook dankie
[15:58] <Langjan> dankie!
[16:01] <magespawn> home time, later all
[16:02] <Kilos> go safe
[16:16] <gremble> Hey Kilos.I am well thanks, just studying haha
[16:40] <pavlushka> Kilos:
[16:40] <pavlushka> Kilos: 00
[16:40] <Kilos> yes?
[16:40] <pavlushka> trying to type degree
[16:41] <Kilos> haha
[16:41] <pavlushka> which one is the compose key?
[16:41] <Kilos> have you made a compose key
[16:41] <Kilos> you have to choose it in settings
[17:50] <theblazehen> Maaz tell pavlushka take the unicode code (00B0) and then do Ctrl+Shift+U + (code), so Ctrl+Shift+U+0, Ctrl+Shift+U+0, Ctrl+Shift+U+B, Ctrl+Shift+U+0.  °
[17:50] <Maaz> theblazehen: Sure, I'll tell pavlushka on freenode
[18:06] <Kilos> wb pavlushka
[18:06] <Kilos> what did you break
[18:06] <pavlushka> thank you Kilos !
[18:06] <pavlushka> Kilos: who, me?
[18:07] <Kilos> yes you were looking for a compose key and went offline
[18:08] <pavlushka> Kilos: Its the power who is playing hide & seek with me, :p
[18:08] <Kilos> aha
[18:08] <pavlushka> ()
[18:19] <Kilos> SilverCode you still active?
[18:20] <Kilos> and alive?
[18:20] <Kilos> and well?
[18:44] <superfly> .
[18:45] <theblazehen> superfly:  ACK
[18:45] <Maaz> theblazehen: By the way, pavlushka on freenode told me "tell theblazehen that it looks like playing piano when I do it." 42 minutes and 28 seconds ago
[19:13] <Kilos> hmm... pro is hiding so he doesnt have to work
[19:22] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:22] <theblazehen> night Kilos
[23:35] <rwbx> anyone on?


[00:01] <Unit193> PCLine_: Heh, nah.  Just someone messing with me. :)
[19:50] <skellat> .wx kbys
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[19:51] <skellat> .wx kely
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[19:51] <skellat> .wx khzy
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[00:35] <jegHegy> well this failed horribly :( the intel xorg driver throws some garbage and crashes X after login
[00:36] <jegHegy> on vesa now
[00:43] <jegHegy> looks a lot like bug #277709
[07:33] <ara> morning all :-)
[07:42] <ara>  I remember you that today is a Ubuntu Testing Day
[07:42] <ara>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20081006
[07:42] <ara> We will be focusing on upgrade testing
[07:42] <ara>  If you are willing to upgrade from Hardy to Intrepid (beta) this is the perfect timing to do it while helping to make Ubuntu better
[07:47] <Tallken> ara: I'm doing my job now: filling bug reports :D
[07:47] <Tallken> 'job'
[07:47] <ara> Tallken: :D
[07:47] <ara> Tallken: cool, thanks :-)
[07:47] <Tallken> ok, I can't find a easy match to Google for an error
[07:48] <Tallken> I only have printk's and a irq 23 error
[07:48] <ara> Tallken: when reported, could you post here the bug number, so others can know about it?
[07:48] <Tallken> ok
[07:49] <Tallken> I don't have the time to reproduce the error to be 100% right, however it is at least the second time it happens with a fairly recognizable procedure, will mention this fact at the bug report
[07:49] <Tallken> (be 100% right in the procedure)
[07:57] <Tallken> my connection is going wacko
[08:16] <Tallken_> ara: I'm unable to reproduce it :'( but it happened at least twice with similar procedure
[08:16] <Tallken_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/278924
[08:16] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 278924 in linux "[unable to reproduce for now] huawei e220 (option module?) triggers weird usb behaviour and module crash" [Undecided,New]
[08:18] <Tallken_> lol, that's mine all right
[08:20] <Tallken_> ok, is it normal a revision for a PCI line being "(rev ff)" ?
[08:22] <davmor2> Good Morning Everybody
[08:22] <Tallken_> ok seems so
[08:22] <Tallken_> hello davmor2
[08:23] <Tallken_> or if it isn't it normal, it has been since 7.04
[08:23] <Tallken_> that issue with 0xFF all over Intel's Gigabit Ethernet adapter got me panicking anytime I see an 0xFF...
[08:23] <ara> morning davmor2
[08:25] <Tallken> meant 8.04, not 7.04
[08:43] <davmor2> Tallken: did you report it as a bug in 8.04?
[08:50] <Tallken> davmor2: hum? no? I'm just complaining my lspci reports a revision as being 0xFF, I suppose it's not a bug, it's just a device of mine who has a funny revision, I guess...
[08:50] <Tallken> 07:09.4 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev ff)
[08:51] <davmor2> Tallken: but it should be displayed correctly so it is a bug :)  Write a bug put in what it does get called and what it should be called etc
[08:53] <Tallken> davmor2: should I consider this a bug as well? :
[08:53] <Tallken> 07:09.4 System peripheral [0880]: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller [1180:0852] (rev ff) (prog-if ff)
[08:53] <Tallken>         !!! Unknown header type 7f
[08:53] <ubot5`> Tallken: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[08:54] <davmor2> Yeap probably part of the same issue if the device isn't recognised correctly then these are the kinda errors that can arise.
[08:56] <Tallken> davmor2: ok :) will fill bug report when I 've time
[09:01] <DJones> Hi, just wondered whether anybody had reported problems with the alternate intrepid beta cd? I had various difficulties over the weekend doing an install (All solved in the end), the main issue I had with the alternate was that on a Toshiba Equium L20 laptop with ATI Radeon Xpress 200M graphics, I couldn't get the display working during install, it brought up the install screen & let me select install, and then a plain black screen, I tried us
[09:09] <ara> DJones: is that reproducible?
[09:09] <ara> DJones: how did you solve it in the end?
[09:10] <ara> DJones: you can check here for the bugs that have been filed for the alternate cd: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/1973
[09:11] <DJones> ara: It kept happing every time I booted with the alternate cd, the only solution i found was using an external monitor for the display during install which worked with no problems, i'd tried changing the boot paramaters to use vesa and vga=771 etc with no sucess
[09:11] <DJones> ara: Thanks I'll have a look at the bugs filed
[09:11] <ara> DJones: do you have an account in the ISO tracker?
[09:12] <ara> DJones: if not, create one, so you can add your findings to the ISO testing
[09:12] <DJones> ara: No, I don't, this is the first time I've found somthing reportable, I will do, thanks for the suggestion
[09:12] <davmor2> DJones: is it something similar to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/274290
[09:12] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 274290 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Intrepid daily, X Server hangs on ATI Radeon 9200 SE RV280" [High,Confirmed]
[09:14] <davmor2> Guys If you don't already know about it I recommend firefox-launchpad-integration it adds launchpad type stuff to the search bar in FF
[09:16] <DJones> davmor2: I don't think so, the laptop is always a PITA to install on so I end up using the alternate, I can get the desktop cd to get to the install setup by using vesa as a boot parameter, but then hangs (maybe I'm not giving it enough time because the cd & hdd lights still flicker as though data is being read - But after 45 minutes I had to give up) Its been that way from Edgy onwards with the desktop cd
[09:18] <schwuk> Morning all
[09:18] <schwuk> davmor2: I didn't know about that package - thanks
[09:20] <ara> morning schwuk!
[09:30] <schwuk> ara: did you have a look at mvo's sandbox-upgrader?
[09:30] <ara> schwuk: no, i didn't. did you?
[09:34] <schwuk> Yes, but it's failed horribly both times :(
[09:34] <schwuk> Wondered if it was just me...
[09:34] <davmor2> DJones: I think  know what it is.  I think it might be the edid of the monitor screwing things up for you.  The newer Xorgs set the display by the edid reported to it by the monitor check out https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/151311 or this with related bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xresprobe/+bug/127008
[09:34] <ara> schwuk: I am going to try it now
[09:34] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 151311 in xorg-server "DDC report some ridiculous physical screen size - causes wacky font sizes on login screen" [High,In progress]
[09:35] <davmor2> Morning schwuk Np's only found it myself by accident :)
[09:38] <schwuk> davmor2: useful. I've tried the GNOME Do LP plugins, but then I'm switching away from the browser to go back to the browser...
[09:41] <davmor2> schwuk: Yes I found it useful this morning :) I was looking through the repo list in nbr to find an app I couldn't remember the name of and stumbled across it and thought that a cool idea :)
[09:49] <davmor2> morning heno :)
[09:49] <heno> hey davmor2
[09:49] <heno> happy testing day!
[09:50] <davmor2> could it be anything other than a happy testing day :)
[09:58] <jegHegy> after upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10, i have a bunch of packages in update-manager that can't be checked for install. where do i look for a log that gives me more info?
[10:05] <ara> jegHegy: /var/log/dist-upgrade
[10:08] <jegHegy> aha, they all have a broken dep on libmp3lame0
[10:12] <ara> jegHegy: are the packages with the broken dependencies part of a non ubuntu archive? (medibuntu or similar)
[10:13] <jegHegy> no, it's in multiverse
[10:13] <jegHegy> oh, libmp3lame0 is, i mean
[10:13] <jegHegy> the broken ones might be in universe
[10:14] <jegHegy> i turned off all third party repos before upgrading
[10:15] <jegHegy> (sidenote: rhythmbox while watching youtube, YEAH :D)
[10:19] <schwuk> jegHegy: have you tried doing `sudo apt-get install libmp3lame0` from a terminal?
[10:19] <schwuk> If it's can't install, it should at least tell you why.
[10:22] <jegHegy> i did so, now it's upgrading the broken dep'd packages :O
[10:22] <jegHegy> looks like a conflict with some third party packages as it removed some in the process
[10:24] <jegHegy> everything seems to be in order :)
[10:24] <ara> jegHegy: have you tried running sudo apt-get install -f ?
[10:25] <jegHegy> the packages seem to be fine now
[10:26] <jegHegy> this would've been quite confusing though if i didn't know where to look for help
[10:27] <jegHegy> somehow there needs to be a way to help users through things like this, preferably with a UI
[10:27] <davmor2> jegHegy: you'll probably find that it will work flawlessly tomorrow and that someone is already updating the package I find it quite often upgrading :)
[10:27] <jegHegy> i know this is not something that's going to be worked on after a beta release, just letting it out :)
[10:27] <jegHegy> davmor2: cheers :)
[10:28] <jegHegy> so what i encountered was a problem with packages themselves?
[10:31] <davmor2> jegHegy: nine time out of 10 one app will request libmp3lame0-ubuntu10 and libmp3lame0-ubuntu9 is in the repo as upgrading libmp3lame0 is the next on the devs agenda he just ran out of time the day before :)
[10:32] <jegHegy> ah :)
[10:32] <jegHegy> well other than this fiasco and a crashing intel xorg driver, the upgrade went real smooth :)
[10:34] <jegHegy> i'm gonna grab some breakfast and then try to get a backtrace
[10:34] <jegHegy> looks like #277709 from the symptoms
[11:19] <jegHegy> ok, i've ran into a bit of a problem while trying to get a backtrace of X
[11:19] <jegHegy> no sort of networking is brought up until gdm login and the crash i'm trying to get at happens at login
[11:19] <jegHegy> so i can't ssh in to run gdb :/
[11:21] <jegHegy> tried booting into recovery mode and running /etc/init.d/networking as root, but ifconfig still only shows the loopback device
[11:21] <jegHegy> ifup doesn't help
[11:28] <davmor2> jegHegy: does nothing show up in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[11:30] <jegHegy> i looked at it last night, nothing too helpful in it apart from telling me it's gonna die
[11:35] <davmor2> jegHegy: might be enough for the bryce's of the world :)
[11:36] <jegHegy> maybe :) i guess i'll just post the log and see if he needs a trace from me too
[11:36] <jegHegy> brb
[11:42]  * popey files bug 278998
[11:42]  * popey pokes schwuk
[11:46] <micr1> hi anyone out there?
[11:46] <schwuk> #278998
[11:46] <ara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsnapshot/+bug/278998
[11:46] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 278998 in rsnapshot "[intrepid] rsnapshot.conf comments out common parameters" [Undecided,New]
[11:46] <ara> micr1: yes, welcome :-)
[11:46] <ara> popey: thanks for sharing
[11:47] <popey> np
[12:08] <ara> nice split :-)
[12:08] <brobostigon> we lost half the room over at ubuntu-uk
[12:16] <abePdIta> Hi everybody, running test!
[12:18] <brobostigon> whats the status of the powerpc version, i have 7.10 still on my mac, and am looking for something newer, will the 8.10 version for powerpc be usable and stable, this is my laptop i use for work so it has to be stable,?
[12:30] <ara> brobostigon: 8.10 is beta now. It is not meant to be installed in production servers, or important desktop/laptops. 8.04 is the stable release now
[12:30] <ara> abePdIta: cool, what are you testing?
[12:31] <brobostigon> ara: ok, thank you, how is 8.04 on powerpc, do you happen to know, by chance,?
[12:33] <abePdIta> .. =) just following instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/UbuntuDesktop
[12:34] <ara> abePdIta: cool :-)
[12:34] <ara> brobostigon: you can download it from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/hardy/release/
[12:34] <ara> brobostigon: it should be stable enough, but sorry, i cannot tell, as I am running under intel
[12:36] <brobostigon> ara: ok, thank  you, i will give the live one a try first.
[12:47]  * ara -> lunch
[12:48] <heno> heh, tried installing every single firefox plugin in the archive - it works but it looks a bit messy :)
[12:48] <heno> (this was Hardy - will now upgrade from there)
[12:57] <davmor2> heno: can you have a word about the bug bot to get it so it works if you type in the bug number please?
[13:06] <heno> davmor2: who runs that Sevaas?
[13:06] <heno> ara (when you're back): Is the testing library only available f
[13:07] <heno> ..or intrepid?
[13:07] <heno> I'm trying to set up automated an upgrade test from Hardy to Intrepid
[13:08] <davmor2> heno: no idea I'm afraid that's why I asked you :)
[13:37] <ara> heno: I am afraid their only available for intrepid, but there are ldtp 1.2. ppas for hardy. Installing those, and the intrepid tests packages in hardy, should work
[13:37] <ara> heno: https://launchpad.net/~apulido/+archive
[13:40] <heno> ara: ok, thanks - will try
[13:59] <ara> the split day
[14:04] <heno> yay, I've got it launching update-manager!
[14:04] <heno> but it fails to check and install updates
[14:05] <heno> ara: what's the recommended way to file bugs against the test suite - attach the report html page?
[14:05] <ara> well, there is a way to debug a bit more
[14:06] <ara> (i need to write a guide about that)
[14:06] <ara> heno: ^ report first with the html
[14:06] <heno> ok
[14:07] <ara> and then you can improve the information running again the test, but having set the local variable LDTP_DEBUG=2
[14:07] <ara> that should print a lot more information to the terminal
[14:07] <heno> right. perhaps we should just enable that by default for now?
[14:14] <ara> heno: well, we could enable that variable as part of the installation process, but I don't know if that's a good idea
[14:16] <heno> ara: right, I see now it's quite verbose too. docs will be fine
[14:24] <heno> ara: bug 279068
[14:27] <ara> heno: which file have you changed to put your password?
[14:28] <heno> ara: update_system.py
[14:29] <ara> heno: no, it is not the way to run it. you have the instructions here
[14:29] <ara> heno: the file to be modified is update_manager_data.xml, and you have to run it using run_test.sh
[14:30] <heno> ok, I'll try that. I used run_test.sh update_system.xml
[14:32] <ara> heno: cool, that's the way, but you have to modified update_manager_data.xml
[14:32] <ara> heno: I have updated the bug report as well
[14:44] <heno> ara: that worked nicely :)
[14:45] <ara> heno: good news :-)
[14:45] <heno> now, can we make a system_upgrade version?
[14:46] <ara> I am afraid we can't, but you could file that in ubuntu desktop testing project as a wishlist :-)
[14:46] <heno> OK, will do. what are the blockers?
[14:46] <ara> heno: could you please read my latest comment at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/276657 and give me some feed back?
[14:46] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 276657 in ubiquity "Main menu is still in English after installation from LiveCD" [Critical,Fix released]
[14:46] <ara> heno: no blockers
[14:48] <heno> for one thing it would have to be launched from a terminal as 'update-manager -d', not from the menu
[14:49] <ara> heno: sure, but we could add that as an option. in ldtp you can run applications without the menu as well
[14:50] <heno> ara: ok. it would be nice to automate upgrade testing as we approach release
[14:51] <ara> heno: ok, I will work on it as soon as I clean some other tasks
[14:52] <heno> ara: cool. I'm preparing some kvm images that can be used for regular upgrade tests
[15:04] <charlie-tca> Any objections to my updating the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/XubuntuDesktop today?
[15:08] <davmor2> charlie-tca: help yourself but we intend setting up new pages any way :)  But it's always good to have it first hand :)
[15:08] <charlie-tca> Thanks. I'll do that
[15:22] <davmor2> charlie-tca: give me a ping ehwn you finish :)
[15:23] <charlie-tca> Okay
[15:23] <davmor2> s/ehwn/when
[15:28] <charlie-tca> davmor2: I think I have it for now. Anything else should be trivial
[15:29] <davmor2> charlie-tca: cool :)
[15:29] <charlie-tca> :)
[16:00] <cr3> hi folks, it's 15h00 UTC and time for a Checkbox tutorial
[16:01] <ara> join cr3 at #ubuntu-classroom
[17:05] <ara> ok, I am leaving now, enjoy the rest of the testing day!
[18:01] <davmor2> cr3: You need a logo for checkbox, the obvious one would be a box with a tick in it :)
[18:04] <cr3> davmor2: thanks, I've already contracted Kenneth Wimer for the job. I think the tick will be it
[18:04] <WastePotato> Yo.
[18:05] <WastePotato> Is it meant to be testing day today?
[18:09] <davmor2> yes
[18:10] <davmor2> WastePotato: It is indeed
[18:19] <WastePotato> Right. Where can I get the .iso?
[18:19] <davmor2> WastePotato: which one?
[18:20] <WastePotato> The Ibex Live CD. Not too sure I want to install it yet.
[18:21] <davmor2> WastePotato: ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu?
[18:21] <WastePotato> Um. I'll just try Ubuntu.
[18:22] <davmor2> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso
[18:22] <WastePotato> Thanks. :)
[18:27] <davmor2> heno: m-a and wubi I think are pretty much tested to death now :)
[18:49] <heno> davmor2: I'd suggest people could start playing a bit with automation
[18:49] <heno> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation
[18:49] <heno> perhaps it's best to run it in a VM
[18:50] <davmor2> heno: might look at that tomorrow while I take images of Kubuntu for the wiki :)
[20:00] <coucouf> Hi there, may I tell my Intrepid upgrade experience here ? I saw the post on the planet and wanted to give a hand.
[20:05] <Zergy> You can if you want, this is the right channel.
[20:07] <coucouf> Well it could be summed up like this : today there is no suitable X driver for an HD3850 graphic card.
[20:09] <Zergy> I don't know, I'm using a nVidia graphic card. :/ Anyway, the ATI graphic card always have some driver's problems on Linux
[20:10] <Zergy> You can use the "ati" drivers insted of the officiel fglrx if it don't work ("ati" is a 2D only driver)
[20:13] <coucouf> fglrx doesn't work (bug #247376), radeon/ati doesn't work (bug #264462) and radeonhd flickers (bug #278471)... Bad luck. :-(
[20:15] <Zergy> vesa ? :/
[20:16] <coucouf> yes :D
[20:18] <coucouf> At least the problems are known and the bugs are filed in Launchpad, but I really hope either of them is solved until Intrepid is released.
[20:19] <Zergy> Yep, beaucoup vesa is not the greatest drivers for every day use. ^^
[20:19] <Zergy> *beaucoup -> because


[09:38] <cjwatson> stieg: what boot parameters are you using?
[10:10] <cjwatson> stieg: oh, never mind, you're using ubiquity not d-i
[10:11] <cjwatson> stieg: somebody else mentioned the same regression, it's in my queue to look at.  In the meantime, I suspect that if you replace console-setup/layoutcode with keyboard-configuration/layoutcode (NOT keyboard-configuration/layout), and similarly for variantcode or modelcode if you have those set, then that should work around it
[10:48] <cjwatson> ooh ooh ooh
[10:48] <cjwatson> I think I may have found the root cause of the second part of why wubildr's failing
[12:51]  * ogra sighs
[12:51] <ogra> so oem-config-debconf seems to randomly like to come up on tty1 or the serial console, there seems no way to tell it to always start on serial
[13:23] <cjwatson> ev: could you please upgrade your Wubi build system to grub-pc 1.99~rc1-3ubuntu4 once it's available, and do an updated build of Wubi? You might as well update to Wubi r205 at the same time.
[13:24] <cjwatson> (copy of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubiquity/+bug/693671/comments/22)
[13:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 693671 in grub2 "wubi install will not boot - phase 2 stops with: Try (hd0,0): NTFS5" [Critical,In progress]
[13:28] <cjwatson> ev: sorry, make that 1.99~rc1-3ubuntu5
[18:01] <stieg> cjwatson: Thanks for the reply.  I will give it try and let you know.
[21:48] <stieg> cjwatson: That seems to have done it; I no longer get the prompt.  If there is already a bug tracking the issue on LP do you know what it is offhand?
[21:59] <stieg> cjwatson: Specifically adding "ubiquity       keyboard-configuration/modelcode        string  SKIP" is the fix
[22:22] <stieg> hrmm... now it seems that I am hitting the last message about install being complete and needing a reboot.  I currently have 'd-i finish-install/reboot_in_progress note' in the preseed file as well.
[22:24] <stieg> By the way, I sent an email to the ubuntu-installers list but never received a response (it was waiting for admin approval).  I assume you got it since you (cjwatson) got it since you mentioned stuff about my preseed file but it would be good to know if it made it or not