[02:24] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: could we have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses in the topic of #ubuntu-bugs-announce please?
[05:03] <akem> Heya.
[05:04] <akem> It's getting colder :X Autumn is here.
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah, stormy here
[17:28] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: done
[17:31] <jeremy31> dinner is done?
[17:31] <hggdh> well, lunch :-)
[17:32] <jeremy31> I guess in Europe
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> thank you hggdh looks great +1
[22:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-focal-upgrades
[22:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ugh... that bot is such a bot. -_-
[22:47] <tomreyn> is it even here?
[22:47] <daftykins> not sure i'd seen a functional one in here in a while
[22:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> ubot5 and ubot9 are here.
[22:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Should read (for everyone's reference): !ubuntustudio-focal-upgrade
[22:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS was the last release with the Xfce desktop environment. Future versions use the KDE Plasma Desktop Environment. Due to this major change, upgrading from Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS to a newer version is not supported; clean install is the only upgrade path.
[22:50] <tomreyn> doh, major change indeed.
[22:51] <tomreyn> looks like you won't get bored anytime soon.
[22:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, the change is done, and it's actually working really well. Just the little things and the polish is all that's left really.
[22:55] <tomreyn> nice :)
[22:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> I actually got done with transitioning the DE back in May, so I've had all of this time to spot-clean, as it were.
[22:57] <tomreyn> that's a good way to spend your sabbatical
[23:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> What sabbatical? 😂


[20:00] <pleia2> elky: when you get a chance, can you update https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-ubuntu-women-project-goals WRT contests? Will we end up doing one this cycle? If not, can it be marked as deferred?
[22:06] <elky> pleia2, mark it as deferred, life has rather got in the way this release unfortunately
[22:06] <elky> If someone else wants to do the legwork then sure, but I can't unfortunately :(
[22:16] <pleia2> elky: ok, I'll mark it as deferred for now and bring it up at our meeting on thursday :)
[22:16] <elky> I did
[22:17] <elky> er, marked it that is
[22:17] <elky> I think, unless it failed to stick
[22:17] <pleia2> oh you did! thanks
[22:17] <pleia2> lp has been loading badly for me all day, had to refresh
[22:18] <AlanBell> pleia2: looks like the wiki theme didn't quite get made available either
[22:19] <pleia2> AlanBell: nope, my last email in RT had some suggestions but they haven't been put into place yet
[22:19] <elky> This was weeks ago, yeah?
[22:20] <pleia2> sunday
[22:20] <pleia2> so just one week ago :)
[22:20] <pleia2> they've been pretty quick to reply lately, this portion is taking a bit longer
[22:21] <elky> Hmm, can't say I've ever had rt respond within a week...
[22:21] <pleia2> yeah, it was shocking - both a -women and an xubuntu ticket I submitted were replied to just a few days
[22:21] <pleia2> still waiting on final xubuntu thing too, but progress++
[22:21] <AlanBell> yeah there was a conversation going on then it kind of stalled


[04:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:50] <daftykins> welcome back!
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> hey there daftykins
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> morning Bashing-om :p
[05:04] <Bashing-om> hey lotuspsychje .. Welcome back .. jumping from the pan into the fire are you ?
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah from the kitchen into irc
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> my collegues dont understand i combine IT job with the kitchen
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> and i was 18 years in truck n trailer company
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> all different things
[05:09] <daftykins> oh what did you do there?
[05:09] <Bashing-om> That is what makes us ... these varied interest .. Me, I stay so immershed in FOSS .
[05:11] <daftykins> i dunno i think cakes make me ;D
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: making alluminium trailes of trucks
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> trailers
[05:14] <daftykins> funky!
[05:15] <daftykins> i'd find that quite interesting
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> howso
[05:15] <daftykins> i dunno, just the process
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> yeah same here
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> it proves we are human and capable of learning without a proof on paper
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> your not your title, but what you have learned yourself
[05:39] <Bashing-om> Rebootung .. see how my xorg.conf file performs .
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> kk
[05:56] <Bashing-om> Nope, I do think -- that if the kernel does not recognize the chip set, ya recompile the kernel OR install a kernel that does recognize ! No cheating .
[06:06] <daftykins> :>
[06:43] <Bashing-om> stick a fork in me ................ I am done, See yall later .
[07:12] <ducasse> hi all
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> hi and bye ducasse , how a nice one mate
[07:33] <ducasse> you too, lotuspsychje
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> tnx :p
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[19:50] <Bashing-om> Once more, I find my self here , Now see where we go .


[08:19] <magespawn> does anybody know what time the meeting is tonight?
[08:21] <maiatoday> magespawn: 19h30
[08:22] <maiatoday> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20101213
[08:30] <superfly> ohi everyone
[09:06] <magespawn> thanks maiatoday i just got two different times
[09:16] <maiatoday> really? magespawn where did you get the other times. We need to change them so that people don't get confused
[09:16] <maiatoday> It used to be 19h00 but that was too early for some people
[09:41] <magespawn> on the email i got there is a little link at the top "more details>>" which takes you to this page https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=b3E2N2MxNXBiNjdtN2dxNjRtbnZkb2Q5bDggdjNsanBjaWVwY25jbWprbDJ0c29hbzcyOTBAZw
[12:09] <morgs> Hmm, I'm not able to resolve za.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:11] <morgs> on google public dns
[12:13] <tumbleweed> morgs: #ubuntu-mirrors
[12:28] <nlsthzn> meeting tonight @ 19H00 GMT+2 again?
[12:29] <cocooncrash> tumbleweed, morgs: Not an ubuntu problem
[12:29] <cocooncrash> za.archive.ubuntu.com.  600     IN      CNAME   ubuntu-archive.mirror.ac.za.
[12:29] <cocooncrash> $ host ubuntu-archive.mirror.ac.za
[12:29] <cocooncrash> Host ubuntu-archive.mirror.ac.za not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[12:29] <morgs> Symm<tab><tab>
[12:30] <tumbleweed> hehe: http://monitor.net.tenet.ac.za/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=3&leaf_id=94
[12:30]  * tumbleweed is glad he stayed home today
[12:30] <tumbleweed> also, ICTS don't seem aware, because thye've been phoning me wondering why I'm not getting e-mail from them
[12:30] <cocooncrash> LOL
[12:31] <maiatoday> wow, what's happening, I thought the students were all gone by now?
[12:32] <tumbleweed> maiatoday: seacom link down by the look of it http://monitor.net.tenet.ac.za/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=6&leaf_id=874
[12:32] <tumbleweed> yeah, undergrads are gone, this is when we (are supposed to) get work done
[12:34] <cocooncrash> haha lol.
[12:51]  * nlsthzn feels neglected :( (sorry for spamming the mailing list... was a noob thing to do I know)
[13:00] <Vhata> did you get a hundred referral signups and gigabytes of free space?
[13:01] <nlsthzn> Vhata: No... which I deserve I guess... sorry about that
[15:25] <nlsthzn> question about the meeting tonight... can I be considered a member or not? I am not in SA and can't join in on any actual meetings etc?
[15:59] <nlsthzn> question about the meeting tonight... can I be considered a member or not? I am not in SA and can't join in on any actual meetings etc?
[16:03] <superfly> nlsthzn: you're welcome to join the meeting
[16:04] <nlsthzn> superfly: thx, but can a participate as a member or just lurk?
[16:05] <superfly> nlsthzn: are you a member of ubuntu-za on launchpad.net?
[16:06] <nlsthzn> superfly: Not sure... I signed up for the mail-list... been a while since I have logged into launchpad... let me go and poke around...
[16:08] <nlsthzn> Neil Oosthuizen is not an active member of any Launchpad teams.
[16:08] <nlsthzn> hmmm
[16:09] <nlsthzn> I am now a MEMBER!!!!
[16:09]  * nlsthzn is the latest member of ubuntu-za team on launchpad
[16:11] <Kilos> evening all
[16:12] <nlsthzn> Kilos: Hey uncle
[16:12] <Kilos> hi nl howzit
[16:13] <Kilos> sorry
[16:13] <Kilos> nlsthzn,
[16:13] <Kilos> missed the tab
[16:13] <nlsthzn> all cool... just joined the ubuntu-za team on launchpad... so maybe I can spam the meeting tonight ;)
[16:13] <Kilos> lol
[16:14] <Kilos> i wont be here. saving last bit of data.
[16:14] <Kilos> tell all i sent greetings
[16:14] <nlsthzn> Kilos: understandable
[16:14] <nlsthzn> k
[16:14] <Kilos> ty
[16:15] <nlsthzn> np
[16:17] <Kilos> have a good meeting. will pop in tomorrow again
[16:20] <nlsthzn> will be back in time for the meeting *eg*
[16:58]  * nlsthzn thinks the lack of activity in this channel is disturbing
[17:01] <nlsthzn> doh, I see the time has changed... still half hour to go
[17:25] <nuvolari> awesome http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=apple_linux_gaming&num=1 (Linux Can Deliver A Faster Gaming Experience Than Mac OS X)
[17:26] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: I take everything from phoronix with a pinch of salt...
[17:26] <maiatoday> Maaz
[17:27]  * nlsthzn has joined ubuntu-za on launchpad... may I partake as a member tonight?
[17:28] <maiatoday> hehe for sure nlsthzn
[17:28] <maiatoday> I saw you joined, welcome
[17:28] <nlsthzn> maiatoday: thanks, and thanks :D
[17:31] <superfly> Meeting time?
[17:31] <maiatoday> yes
[17:31]  * superfly is on his phone this time
[17:32] <maiatoday> I am ready I'll take the chair again unless anyone else wants a go at chasing geeks into a herd
[17:32] <maiatoday> np superfly
[17:32] <nlsthzn> Kilos sends his regards, not enough data to make it btw
[17:33] <maiatoday> I'll give it a few minutes the agend is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20101213
[17:33] <superfly> maiatoday: i have a full keyboard at my disposal, but I also have a toddler climbing on me ;-)
[17:34] <magespawn> evening all
[17:34] <maiatoday> hehe we will excuse random ascii bubbles and bits of food
[17:34] <maiatoday> hi magespawn
[17:34] <nlsthzn> hi all :)
[17:34] <DraZoro> Hellow magaspawn
[17:34] <maiatoday> get agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20101213
[17:35] <maiatoday> drubin, tumbleweed I'll chair this one cause it's easy :)
[17:35]  * nlsthzn studies maiatodays technique to copy it later when needed :)
[17:36]  * maiatoday blushes and twiddles a pencil nervously
[17:37] <maiatoday> Maaz_: start meeting about ubuntu-za monthly meeting
[17:37]  * Maaz_ gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:37] <maiatoday> Maaz_: I am Maia Grotepass
[17:37] <Maaz_> maiatoday: Alrighty
[17:37] <nlsthzn> I am Neil Oosthuizen
[17:37] <maiatoday> new people please tell Maaz_ who you are
[17:37] <nlsthzn> Maaz_: I am Neil Oosthuizen
[17:37] <Maaz_> nlsthzn: Okay
[17:37] <nlsthzn> soz
[17:37] <tumbleweed> Maaz_: I am Stefano Rivera
[17:37] <Maaz_> tumbleweed: Done
[17:38] <smorar> Maaz_: I am Sameer Morar
[17:38] <Maaz_> smorar: Done
[17:38] <DraZoro> Maaz_: I am Clement Mahlangu
[17:38] <Maaz_> DraZoro: Alrighty
[17:38] <magespawn> Maaz_ : I am Greg Eames
[17:38] <Maaz_> magespawn: Okay
[17:38] <maiatoday> the Agenda and minutes again https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20101213
[17:39] <drubin> Maaz_: I am David Rubin
[17:39] <Maaz_> drubin: Okay
[17:39] <maiatoday> Welcome all new people, anybody want to introduce themselves?
[17:39] <nlsthzn> just for the record Kilos sends his regards but his data is a bit low
[17:39] <nlsthzn> Neil from the UAE *waves*
[17:40] <maiatoday> Maaz_: topic review previous meeting minutes
[17:40] <Maaz_> Current Topic: review previous meeting minutes
[17:40] <maiatoday> drubin, did the backup and restore happen?
[17:41] <confluency> Maaz_: I am Adrianna Pińska
[17:41] <Maaz_> confluency: Yessir
[17:41] <smorar> Hello everyone - this is my first ubuntu-za meeting :)
[17:41] <maiatoday> most welcome smorar
[17:41] <DraZoro> smorar : You are welcome ...enjoy :)
[17:41] <smorar> thanks :)
[17:42]  * nlsthzn has lurked in a meeting once before, but is a member now!
[17:42] <maiatoday> superfly is that little event thing on the side of ubuntu-za.org the gcal plugin?
[17:42] <superfly> Maaz_: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:42] <Maaz_> superfly: Sure
[17:42] <superfly> maiatoday yes
[17:43] <maiatoday> cool! Thanks that's great now I must just make sure I don't post weird events on the calendar hehe
[17:43] <superfly> Maiatoday and drubin's backup and restore did happen, iirc
[17:43] <maiatoday> yay we are so efficient, thanks superfly and drubin
[17:44] <maiatoday> we didn't discuss the OpenOffice in schools on the mailing list.
[17:44] <nlsthzn> ... and now school is closed
[17:45] <magespawn> get in for the new year
[17:45] <maiatoday> do we need make a note to do something?
[17:45] <drubin> smorar: shout if you have any questions
[17:45] <smorar> drubin: will do
[17:45] <drubin> maiatoday: we should make a note
[17:45] <drubin> sorry been a bit distracted adn typing is hard
[17:46] <maiatoday> Maaz_: agreed make a discussion on the Mailing list about OpenOffice in schools
[17:46] <Maaz_> Agreed: make a discussion on the Mailing list about OpenOffice in schools
[17:46] <magespawn> may i put something up?
[17:46] <maiatoday> go ahead magespawn
[17:47] <maiatoday> ok the geeknic happened
[17:47] <maiatoday> it was small but fun
[17:47] <maiatoday> very relaxing
[17:48] <maiatoday> I made the link to the facebook group on ubuntu-za.org so that item is done too
[17:48] <nuvolari> great :/ I missed out on the first part of the meeting :P
[17:48] <nuvolari> Maaz_: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:48] <Maaz_> nuvolari: Sure
[17:48] <maiatoday> there will be minutes and archives nuvolari
[17:48] <nuvolari> cool thanks maiatoday
[17:49] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: welcome :)
[17:49] <maiatoday> any comments on fanpage vs group on facebook?
[17:49] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: thanks :>
[17:49] <nuvolari> I vote for fanpage
[17:49]  * nlsthzn thinks facebook is evil and wishes diaspora will hurry up!
[17:49] <superfly> Maiatoday we raised it previously
[17:49] <nuvolari> we do most of the "group" management in other ways
[17:50] <maiatoday> yes I am going through the previous minutes
[17:50] <DraZoro> I vote for fanpage as well.
[17:50] <smorar> I vote for fanpage too
[17:50] <superfly> A group doesn't actually work that well, but a fan page is stuck to one particular person, and you have to ask FB to fix it
[17:50] <nlsthzn> the minustes seem a bit inconplete (as far as I can see)
[17:51] <maiatoday> ok well I am not going to do more facebook maintence than what we currently do, if anyone wants to change this and has experience they are welcome to help out with this
[17:51] <nlsthzn> *minutes *incomplete
[17:51] <superfly> But yes, a fan page is much better
[17:51] <superfly> Maiatoday i can create a page
[17:51] <maiatoday> great!
[17:52] <maiatoday> Maaz_: Agreed superfly will make a fanpage for ubuntu-za
[17:52] <Maaz_> Agreed: superfly will make a fanpage for ubuntu-za
[17:52] <superfly> (when I have Internet again)
[17:52]  * DraZoro hopes magespawn will re-spawn once again
[17:52] <maiatoday> we are having the meeting so I skip over that item
[17:53] <maiatoday> Also I did take the cds to Pretoria and Jo'burg and handed them out at the Ubuntu Hour and at Wits
[17:53] <magespawn> sorry all i am on gprs in a storm
[17:53] <maiatoday> drubin, did we get some cds to cape town?
[17:54]  * DraZoro should distribute in UNISA as well.
[17:54] <drubin> maiatoday: a few not that many
[17:54] <nuvolari> oh dear :'( my 1/! key is on its way out
[17:54] <maiatoday> drubin can people contact you for cds?
[17:54] <drubin> but last one they got 2 boxes
[17:54] <drubin> maiatoday: I have a few yes
[17:55] <nlsthzn> as an official loco, how many CD's of a release do you (we) get?
[17:55] <maiatoday> yikes dunno? drubin ^
[17:56] <maiatoday> are we ready to move onto the agend?
[17:56] <maiatoday> agenda?
[17:56] <superfly> Ya
[17:56] <DraZoro> Yes
[17:56] <nlsthzn> seems so :)
[17:56] <maiatoday> we already talked about the backup, is there anything that needs to be added?
[17:57] <drubin> nlsthzn: +- 300
[17:57]  * drubin is really out of it
[17:57] <nlsthzn> drubin: thanks (good to know)
[17:57] <maiatoday> ok we already talked about the geeknic too :D any comments?
[17:57] <maiatoday> next time I'll try to pick a time when there are more people available
[17:57] <superfly> :( i couldn't make it
[17:58] <maiatoday> next time I'll try to pick a time when there are less bugs bugging people too
[17:58] <nlsthzn> what was the main issue, the time or the venue?
[17:58] <maiatoday> I think the time, becaue the students had left already
[17:58] <superfly> Ya
[17:58] <maiatoday> and people were sick
[17:59] <nlsthzn> sucks
[17:59] <maiatoday> Ok Ubuntu Hour in Durban!!! fantastic
[18:00] <nuvolari> :D
[18:00] <nlsthzn> congrats on the first one!
[18:00] <nlsthzn> lekka by die see
[18:00] <nuvolari> whoop! it was fun
[18:00] <nuvolari> well, not right by the sea
[18:00] <nlsthzn> should have been in the sea :)
[18:00]  * drubin thinks we should wrap up
[18:00] <drubin> considering there aren't any agenda items left
[18:00] <maiatoday> it is the last item drubin
[18:00] <drubin> woohoo
[18:00] <maiatoday> I wanted to say thanks to the ubuntu hour durban people and wrap up
[18:00] <drubin> congrsats guys
[18:00] <superfly> i saw some activity about it on the list today but didn't have a chance to read - was there feedback?
[18:01] <maiatoday> one post
[18:01] <nuvolari> and on the mailing list
[18:01] <nlsthzn> no pics? :(
[18:01] <maiatoday> it would be great to have some pics and a blog post next time too
[18:01] <nuvolari> one reply :P
[18:01] <nuvolari> no :/ was a bit dark for my flash-less android
[18:01]  * nlsthzn thinks Durbanites are to laid back to worry about suck things
[18:01] <nuvolari> we plan to not have one venue
[18:02] <nuvolari> but rather to go places
[18:02] <maiatoday> ok anybody who wants to do an Ubuntu Hour just ask us and we;ll help you with getting all the posts in various spots sorted
[18:02] <nuvolari> as we're kinda scattered over a large area
[18:02] <nlsthzn> seems a decent stratagy
[18:02] <nuvolari> William shared his apt-mirrors
[18:03] <nuvolari> like 60Gb's repos
[18:03] <maiatoday> ok I am gonna end the meeting, going going ....
[18:03] <nlsthzn> when the next one?
[18:03] <maiatoday> gone
[18:03] <nuvolari> ok fine
[18:03] <smorar> :)
[18:03]  * nuvolari sits in the corner
[18:03] <maiatoday> Maaz_: end meeting
[18:03] <Maaz_> Meeting Ended
[18:03] <Maaz_> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2010-12-13-17-37-01.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2010-12-13-17-37-01.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2010-12-13-17-37-01.html
[18:03] <maiatoday> The next meeting will be in Jan,
[18:03] <nlsthzn> lol... you guys in a hurry :)
[18:04] <nlsthzn> its a Monday, nothing good on TV
[18:04] <maiatoday> nah we can chat, I just hate meetings that carry on for ever
[18:04] <superfly> Maiatoday likes to keep things short and sweet
[18:04] <nuvolari> ya, durban isn't important enough :P
[18:04] <Morganvd> haha
[18:04] <nlsthzn> np, thanks for the meeting guys
[18:04] <maiatoday> no sorry nuvolari I didn't mean it that way
[18:04] <Morganvd> maiatoday: what if someone wanted to say something
[18:04] <nlsthzn> if the peeps in the UAE wants to go official I will have some idea what to do, expect
[18:04]  * Morganvd hides
[18:04] <nuvolari> pfft, whatever you say oh queen bee :P
[18:04] <tumbleweed> wow, that was quick and easy
[18:05]  * tumbleweed didn't even have to say anything :)
[18:05] <nuvolari> Maaz_: ping
[18:05] <Maaz_> nuvolari: pong
[18:06] <nlsthzn> tumbleweed: you used the power of your mind
[18:06] <Morganvd> quick question fo rthe gnome users
[18:06] <maiatoday> Morganvd: I am not going to stop anyone from saying anything
[18:06] <Morganvd> its was a joke maiatoday
[18:06] <Morganvd> chillax
[18:07] <Morganvd> what does everyone think about 11.04 desktop goin unity?
[18:07] <nlsthzn> gr8, vbox needs me to add myself to its group then log back in... so I guess I will be back in a few...
[18:07] <maiatoday> hmmm unity on my netbook is sort of sluggish
[18:09] <nuvolari> OT: anyone flying R/C heli's? Need to find out about transmitters capable of connecting to flight simulator software
[18:09] <smorar> Morganvd: I love the unity concept - so assuming that performance and usability issues are mostly sorted, i'll be happy :)
[18:10] <smorar> Morganvd: i have maverick builds for the compiz version of unity a ppa if you're interested in giving it a poke without upgrading yet
[18:11] <nlsthzn> I just wonder if unity is going to be mature enough come 11.04
[18:12] <Morganvd> well it seems its in no matter what
[18:12] <Morganvd> i use it on my netbook
[18:12] <maiatoday> okedoke, minutes updated here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20101213
[18:12] <Morganvd> and must say i loved the 10.04 version alot more than the 10.10
[18:12] <nlsthzn> tried unity on my netbook... just to slow...
[18:12]  * tumbleweed tried unity, it irritates me
[18:13] <tumbleweed> (and it's not slow on my laptop)
[18:13] <maiatoday> somethings are better with unity like the desktops but it is sticky
[18:13] <maiatoday> and I haven't found the magic key to jump to the workspaces view
[18:13] <Morganvd> windows key e
[18:14] <Morganvd> super e
[18:14] <maiatoday> no
[18:14] <maiatoday> doesn't work for me
[18:14] <Morganvd> yip
[18:14] <maiatoday> the super key makes numbers appear on the icons but e does nothing
[18:14] <Morganvd> i c 10.10 changed it
[18:14] <Morganvd> yeah
[18:14] <Morganvd> super + number = app
[18:15] <maiatoday> and the purple workspace icon doesn't have a number :(
[18:15] <maiatoday> and there are only 10 numbers
[18:15] <Morganvd> mine  is super 8
[18:15] <Morganvd> for workspac
[18:16] <Morganvd> you can also install gnome-panel
[18:16] <Morganvd> maiatoday: what netbook do you have
[18:16] <maiatoday> samsung nc10
[18:16] <Morganvd> i have a hp mini 210
[18:17] <Morganvd> ram?
[18:17] <maiatoday> 1 gig I though?
[18:17] <maiatoday> though?
[18:17] <maiatoday> bleargh s/though/thought/
[18:17] <Morganvd> i have 2 gig ddr3 ram
[18:17] <Morganvd> and must say it aint slugis
[18:19] <maiatoday> well I guess if I just surf and irc and such it is ok
[18:20] <maiatoday> hmmm just looking at the hw info of this machine and maybe I must get another gig of ram for xmas
[18:21] <Morganvd> hehe
[18:21] <Morganvd> i bought my wife the HP for her B day
[18:21] <Morganvd> she uses it for work
[18:21] <Morganvd> she unfortunatly is a windows baby
[18:32] <maiatoday> night all


[17:07] <_nohup_> I just installed ubuntu 20.04.3, and apparently there some problems with it's repository. With a cean, new install, you can't install g++ and many other packages because of dependency issues:
[17:07] <_nohup_>  g++ : Depends: g++-9 (>= 9.3.0-3~) but it is not going to be installed
[17:08] <_nohup_> Is this a known problem and is there a way to change the sources in order to be able to install software?
[17:10] <_nohup_> Hang on, I lied. I did install openssd-server, screen, vim and nvidia drivers (using apt-get). Obviously I'd still consider this a bug in the repo, but maybe it clarifies some things.
[17:11] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/h3re8uuq.txt
[17:11] <ravage> fresh container. no problems
[17:12] <_nohup_> Interesting
[17:13] <ravage> 9.3.0-17ubuntu1~20.04 is the package i install
[17:13] <ravage> so maybe you just miss a apt update
[17:14] <_nohup_> I just installed ubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso and did an update/ugrade right after.
[17:15] <coconut> _nohup_, did you try to 'apt update' before 'apt install <package>'?
[17:15] <_nohup_> Of course
[17:15] <_nohup_> Well, apt-get, because I'm old and grey
[17:16] <_nohup_> I'm used to package conflicts years after installation, not after installation :)
[17:18] <ravage> you can try aptitude
[17:18] <ravage> it is usually a bit more aggressive with resolving conficts
[17:18] <matthewcroughan6> all my snap apps have broken upon a reboot, there is no hard disk failure, debugging for about an hour. The problem that I always hit when trying to reinstall apps is something like: - Run configure hook of "discord" snap if present (run hook "configure": cannot snap-exec: open /snap/discord/130/meta/snap.yaml: permission denied)
[17:18] <matthewcroughan6> any advice?
[17:19] <_nohup_> Nah. I'll just reinstall the VM and maybe not do an upgrade right after. I don't want to start off with a messed up package repo. It tends to get worse in the future
[17:20] <_nohup_> I'll log each line I type in order for anyone to reproduce it
[17:23] <cbreak> I've tried both Thunderbird and KOrganizer, and both seem to struggle with google calendar integration
[17:23] <Guest77> @cbreak i have the same problem...
[17:23] <cbreak> especially with my work account, where I have several calendars of my coworkers, in addition to my own
[17:24] <cbreak> so far, korganizer seems to be worse, it actually crashed a few times, and both calendars and events disappeared
[17:24] <cbreak> thunderbird also spits out errors sometimes, and I think it deleted a few of my events from the upstream calendar
[17:25] <cbreak> so far, the only reliable way seems to be the web interface, but that one is also inconvenient
[17:25] <cbreak> I am thinking of sticking with thunderbird, but I'm not entirely happy with it. Anyone got any better suggestion? :(
[17:26] <cbreak> (Oh, in thunderbird I was able to set all calendars to read-only, which stopped the errors / deletion of events
[17:26] <cbreak> not optimal, but ... better than nothing :/
[17:29] <nikolam> Maybe I should be thankful for OOM killer now actaully kills Firefox at some moment, instead of whole machine locking like before..
[17:30] <_nohup_> OOM is your friend if it picks the right victim :)
[17:34] <cbreak> if you're running oom, something else must have gone seriously wrong
[17:34] <GrandPa-G> I have a mail setup on 16.x ubuntu using postfix (I am sure) and now moved to azure 20.4. The old setup works fine. I tried to copy the new the same. It uses gmail as the smtp server in both cases on 587. The new one gets authentication erros. Anyone want to try to help me?
[17:34] <cbreak> I'd expect programs to get allocation failures before you actually run out of memory
[17:35] <cbreak> at least if you have sufficient swap space for buffering
[17:37] <holgersson> GrandPa-G: Not really, but I would look for TLS vs. STARTTLS. Maybe defaults changed in used crypto libs (openssl).
[17:38] <cbreak> does gmail even accept normal authentication anymore these days?
[17:38] <cbreak> instead of oauth / application passphrases?
[17:39] <holgersson> I don't know.
[17:39] <akshayan> i think they do
[17:39] <tomreyn> only if you enable it in the account settings, at least that's how it was ~ 2 years ago
[17:39] <holgersson> GrandPa-G: Side note in case you didn't hear that already: MS added a config daemon in azure linux VMs and left the config "open" to the world and did all of that without a notice to the admins.
[17:39] <tomreyn> but then, thunderbird also supports the auth login
[17:39] <tomreyn> *oauth
[17:40] <GrandPa-G> as I said, it works find on old system now.
[17:40] <GrandPa-G> find -> fine
[17:41] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: what doe those authentication error say, though, and how is authentication set up on the ubuntu side?
[17:42] <holgersson> wrt auth: Google only says TLS (and a static IP, but I assume azure VMs have them): https://support.google.com/a/answer/176600?hl=en
[17:43] <GrandPa-G> status=deferred (SASL authentication failed; server smtp.gmail.com[<IP_ADDRESS>] said: 534-5.7.14 <https://accounts.google.com/signin/continue?sarp=1&scc=1&plt=AKgnsbu?534-5.7.14 Wa9YzrfnBRblS2aNVs2oCvvTLFM3DvTQK20pRJgX4xAyq5AWcSTffCDhHFF0HEsBmY2ck?534-5.7.14 VB-HUvCEEd3kng6Uiu5kGnFQX40oP87ZfLDdUY4nkcnnuNL_GCFNY9X3i4q-72CK>?534-5.7.14 Please log in via your web browser and then try again.?534-5.7.14  Learn more at?534 5.7.14
[17:43] <GrandPa-G> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/78754 b10sm16960025pfl.200 - gsmtp)
[17:43] <GrandPa-G> error in syslog
[17:43] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: and signing in there once does not seem to fix it?
[17:44] <GrandPa-G> I don't think so. I signed into the account that is being used as the user/password for smtp. I can always try again.
[17:44] <tomreyn> the better option would be to use an "app password", though, i guess. see the second link in the error message
[17:45] <tomreyn> there's also #google here, i think (since this seems to be more of a "how do i authenticate to this non ubuntu service" question)
[17:47] <GrandPa-G> just seems strange one works and the other doesn't. I did just sign in again, no change. I will head over to #google. Thanks
[17:49] <tomreyn> good luck.
[18:00] <GrandPa-G> #google has almost noone there
[18:10] <blinux> Should it take like 30+ minutes to install Libfreoffice on an old laptop 10+ years old?
[18:10] <blinux> Also, I did a search in Discover and it only saw the snap. I installed from terminal from the deb.
[18:10] <lotuspsychje__> blinux: that depends on a few factors
[18:11] <lotuspsychje__> blinux: spinner hd or ssd? apt or snap libreoffice? specs of your laptop?
[18:11] <blinux> I'm easily 10+ minutes into the install and it is only 23% progress. It has an HDD only and A6 Vision Quad Core CPU.
[18:12] <lotuspsychje__> blinux: wich flavour of ubuntu are you on?
[18:12] <blinux> I did the apt install.
[18:12] <blinux> I'm using KDE Neon.
[18:13] <tomreyn> how much ram does this system have installed?
[18:13] <blinux> The Kubuntu didn't have the Calamares installer and could not detect the boot partition.
[18:14] <blinux> It has around 5/6gb of ram
[18:14] <tomreyn> oh you're not using an ubuntu flavour, then i don't think we can support here
[18:15] <blinux> Oh, it seems to be going very fast now. It went from about 30% to 90% in two minutes.
[18:15] <tomreyn> you can try #linux or the kde neon channel, if there is one
[18:15] <blinux> Now it is 99%
[18:16] <blinux> Yeah, OK. KDE Neon is very close to Kubuntu.
[18:16] <tomreyn> not close enough for us to support it here
[18:16] <tomreyn> !flavors | blinux
[18:16] <blinux> It has me join this channel by default from Hexchat after installing Hexchat.
[18:17] <blinux> It calls it the Ubuntu server too, even though it is Libera. The package is configured that way.
[18:17] <lotuspsychje__> blinux: does neon have a help docs pointing to this channel?
[18:17] <lotuspsychje__> to the community support of ubuntu?
[18:19] <matthewcroughan6> anyone got the time to ook into my issue with snap that I posted above
[18:19] <matthewcroughan6> or do I have to nuke and start again?
[18:19] <blinux> It looks like the Help program and website does not direct to IRC at all. There is a KDE channel though and I have been asking things there too.
[18:20] <blinux> It finished installing though.
[18:20] <lotuspsychje__> blinux: seems like kde neon points to kde support channels yeah
[18:20] <tomreyn> blinux: so try getting support there, please, we'll be happy to support with your ubuntu flavour, once you run one.
[18:20] <blinux> Where do you see that?
[18:20] <blinux> I will. thanks
[18:21] <lotuspsychje__> matthewcroughan6: feel free to re-ask your question, new volunteers might have joined to help
[18:21] <lotuspsychje__> blinux: https://neon.kde.org/
[18:21] <matthewcroughan6> all my snap apps have broken upon a reboot, there is no hard disk failure, debugging for about an hour. The problem that I always hit when trying to reinstall apps is something like: - Run configure hook of "discord" snap if present (run hook "configure": cannot snap-exec: open /snap/discord/130/meta/snap.yaml: permission denied)
[18:22] <lotuspsychje__> on wich ubuntu release matthewcroughan6 ?
[18:22] <matthewcroughan6> 20.04.3
[18:23] <lotuspsychje__> maybe ogra if he's around^^
[18:25] <lotuspsychje__> matthewcroughan6: did you do anything special before it broke on reboot?
[18:25] <matthewcroughan6> nope
[18:25] <lotuspsychje__> updates of any kind?
[18:27] <matthewcroughan6> Its a friends computer, its possible that they did, but why should that corrupt snap?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje__> matthewcroughan6: thats what we try to investigate, can you pastebin your /var/log/dpkg.log please perhaps more clues there?
[18:30] <matthewcroughan6> https://termbin.com/m285
[18:32] <lotuspsychje__> matthewcroughan6: this could be relevant 2021-10-24 18:12:52 upgrade snapd:amd64 2.51.1+20.04ubuntu2 2.51.1+20.04ubuntu2
[18:33] <lotuspsychje__> matthewcroughan6: maybe bug #1943853
[18:35] <lotuspsychje__> !info snapd focal
[18:38] <lotuspsychje__> matthewcroughan6: #26 suggests they made a fix for that on 2.52
[18:38] <matthewcroughan6> great1
[18:38] <matthewcroughan6> thanks for the advice, automated breakage is never fun
[18:38] <matthewcroughan6> going to try NixOS on their system at some point, avoid that in future
[18:39] <onelegend> oh heyyy
[18:39] <onelegend> I know you matthewcroughan6
[18:40] <onelegend> I saw your stream on twitch
[18:40] <momken> hello
[18:40] <matthewcroughan6> onelegend o/
[18:40] <momken> How could I install activemq on Ubuntu??
[18:40] <momken> I did 'sudo apt install activemq' but its web interface doesn't come
[18:44] <momken> Hello?
[18:45] <momken> Is activemq ubuntu package recommended to install?
[18:45] <tomreyn> !patience | momken
[18:46] <tomreyn> momken: what i can tell you is that activemq is in the universe repository, which contains community maintained packages - it may not get the same level of treatment as packages in 'main' would.
[18:46] <tomreyn> *may*
[18:48] <tomreyn> momken: if the package you installed does not provide the expected functionality (you mentioned a web management interface), i'd refer to its documentation to verify the package actually provides this functionality, in the way you expect. other than that, you could check the developer website to learn what they suggest for how to install on ubuntu.
[18:48] <tomreyn> finally, there's also the bug tracker you could check for related reports: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/activemq/+bugs
[20:30] <jcbjoe2021> Guys if I have the kernel source the patches and the .confit file already how do I compile it? I’d I make menuconfig won’t it create a new .config ?
[20:47] <jeremy31> jcbjoe2021: what are the patches for?
[20:58] <jcbjoe2021> jeremy31: running Ubuntu on my Mac
[20:59] <yukiup> natively?
[21:00] <yukiup> no emulation?
[21:02] <jcbjoe2021> Natively 😀
[21:05] <jeremy31> jcbjoe2021: what do tbe patches do?
[21:06] <jcbjoe2021> jeremy31: WiFi backlight Ethernet etc..
[21:07] <jeremy31> There are times where you are better off just patching and compiling a single module rather than the whole kernel
[21:07] <jeremy31> jcbjoe2021: what wifi and ethernet?
[21:10] <tomreyn> and which mac model exactly?
[21:10] <jcbjoe2021> Mbp mid 2018
[21:11] <jeremy31> Broadcom wifi most likely
[21:18] <tomreyn> there's https://github.com/marcosfad/mbp-ubuntu - but it's for macbook pro 16.1, and i haven't looked at the code.
[23:21] <rwinner> Really lovin mutt slrn and irssi....
[23:30] <jcbjoe2021> I’ve always had a thing for mutt but never figured it out
[23:31] <matsaman> yeah I remember liking mutt
[23:32] <matsaman> don't use email much anymore, except for work
[23:32] <matsaman> and work always uses exchange
[23:32] <matsaman> and it gets complicated to use email where everyone assumes an exchange-oriented email client
[23:32] <matsaman> stupid exchange


[13:43] <frederickjh> I am working on writing an upstart job for a program that has three daemons that must be started in a specific order, stopping is not so important but the prefer order is the same in reverse. Can this be done with one upstart job or is it needed to write one for each daemon?
[15:15] <frederickjh> I am working on writing an upstart job for a program that has three daemons that must be started in a specific order, stopping is not so important but the prefer order is the same in reverse. Can this be done with one upstart job or is it needed to write one for each daemon?
[15:16] <mbiebl> frederickjh: if you want those three daemons monitored by upstart, you need to split them
[15:16] <frederickjh> ok
[15:16] <frederickjh> Thats what I thougt.
[15:17] <frederickjh> I had tried with two as a test in a job but only the second one was running at the end.
[15:17] <mbiebl> two exec lines?
[15:17] <frederickjh> yes
[15:17] <mbiebl> yeah, the parser only takes the last parsed line
[15:17] <frederickjh> ok
[20:42] <frederickjh> I have another question regarding the program with three daemons.  I think it is possible to have another job with the name of the collective program that could emit a job and start the others.
[20:43] <frederickjh> But is it possible to check the status of the "dummy" job and have it return the status of the 3 daemons?
[20:45] <frederickjh> Instead of having to check the status of three daemons individually.
[23:42] <mbiebl> no
[23:43] <Seq> Is it possible to have an upstart script start and stop based on an old sysv script?
[23:50] <mbiebl> Seq: no, not really
[23:51] <mbiebl> afaik, fedora has patched the rc script to emit events when an sysv script is started and stopped
[23:53] <mbiebl> /etc/rc.d/rc, to be specified
[23:53] <Seq> mbiebl: Thanks. I don't control the other init script, so modifying it would be troublesome.
[23:53] <mbiebl> that does not help you though, if you e.g. stop a sysv script via /etc/init.d/<service> stop
[23:54] <Seq> mbiebl: true, I hadn't thought of that.