[01:58] <diddledan> the night manager is suspendersfull
[03:32] <mappps> hi
[08:19] <knightwise> good morning everyone
[08:53] <zmoylan-pi> be careful out there, it's monday
[08:57] <knightwise> hey zmoylan-pi :) yep , i had my share of monday :)
[08:59] <popey> morning
[09:01] <knightwise> hey popey
[09:01] <knightwise> congrats for you Nan turning centenial :)
[09:12] <popey> :)
[09:12] <popey> apparently she's managed 85 billion miles around the sun
[09:14] <davmor2> popey: are we talking about how trumps beauty therapist keeps him so orange?
[09:14] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:17] <zmoylan-pi> trump needs to be tangoed by the only person more orange than himself...
[09:19] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: hahahaha
[09:20] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: you mean David Dickenson and Dale Winton needs to tango Trump I could see that being an awesome advert :D
[09:23] <zmoylan-pi> none of the oompa loompas from willy wonkas factory available...
[09:57] <foobarry> we have chickenpox in our house :(
[09:59] <diplo> Morning all, anyone here had to deal with a domain dispute before? No any details. Basically a customer of ours company was bought out, along with staff, the guy still owns the company names, but the staff had the domain registered to his name and the new company won't release it to him
[09:59] <zmoylan-pi> get back to me when you have shingles... :-)
[10:03] <foobarry> i don't think i can catch shingles from chickenpox
[10:03] <foobarry> but you can catch chickenpox from shingles i think
[10:04] <foobarry> sounds messy diplo
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> nah, you usually get chickenpox as a kid and then the virus waits till you're older and comes back as shingles
[10:05] <diplo> Yeah it is, the customer isn't technical and is totally lost :/
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> i got shingles at 14...
[10:05] <foobarry> oof
[10:05] <diplo> I've never had to deal with disputes before, just with everything else comain related
[10:05] <diplo> domain*
[10:08] <knightwise> morning diplo foobarry
[10:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:10] <foobarry> o/
[10:11] <knightwise> Homebrow is the chizzle on OSx :)
[10:12] <knightwise> Nice Linux commands straight from the osx commandline :)
[10:12] <knightwise> Like Youtube-dl, ranger and mpv
[10:13] <zmoylan-pi> and you can now imitate windows and install ransomware now :-D
[10:14] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: i heard. apparently a lot of apps are impacted (Vlc, transmission etc ? )
[10:16] <foobarry> . However, the varicella zoster virus can be spread from a person with shingles to someone who has never had chicken pox. The unfortunate recipient might develop chicken pox, but not shingles.
[10:17] <knightwise> actually set ClamAV to update its virus defenitions daily and scan on a weekly basis.
[10:17] <foobarry> clamav, thats a blast from teh past
[10:17] <zmoylan-pi> running av on a mac... just seems wrong...
[10:20] <knightwise> foobarry: its one of the few AV's that is available for the mac
[10:20] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: i think its a reality. Never caught anything except some exe files in my mail cache
[10:20] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:20] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[10:21] <MooDoo> knightwise: I only heard about transmission, but VLC as well?  ouch
[10:24] <knightwise> Yep ,
[10:35] <knightwise> Looks like OSX finally hit puberty :)
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> the difference is osx will slam windows... :-P
[10:38] <knightwise> hmm.. still don't think one os will win over the other. MS has matured a lot over the last couple of years.
[10:39] <knightwise> both platforms have a lot to offer.
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> telemtry... ugly ui...
[10:55] <knightwise> Just deleted transmission off the mac. Needz a new torrent client now.
[10:57] <diplo> Transmission on your PI using the webui or a remote client :)
[11:08] <knightwise> Already using that :) Transmission-cli does what it needs to do :)
[11:11] <diplo> Me to
[11:12] <\sve> Hey how to set up a basic vpr server using my laptop (Asus k53u) as the server and my Nexus 7 as the client (tablet runs Android and the laptop runs Ubuntu desktop)
[11:12] <MooDoo> knightwise: can you get qbittorrent for the mac?
[11:14] <\sve> VPN server rather
[11:14] <\sve> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-openvpn-server-on-ubuntu-14-04 found this but not sure if it's a server or desktop thing?
[11:17] <diplo> \sve: Not sure there will be desktop support for the server side of openvpn so that would probably suffice, all depends whether your laptop is directly connected to the internet or whether you're nat'd
[11:19] <\sve> Diplo sorry do you mean directly connected to the network via cat5?
[11:21] <diplo> Nope, as in that you'll need to forward your connection to your laptop via router if the laptop is not connected directly to the internet, as most likely it'll be nat'd
[11:22] <\sve> I don't understand. "Nat'd"
[11:24] <diplo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation
[13:08] <knightwise> I have the sweetest twenty one year old intern next to me who is completely clueless about how to handle social media
[13:09] <knightwise> showed her around in the "podcasting world" and she now thinks i'm a rockstar :) Hilarious
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> mutter mutter... powercut...
[14:07] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: well if you insist /me cuts zmoylan-pi power
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> it's odd how you react when power goes. i just flipped over to battery powered devices.  had enough power for 24hours on ancient devices v 4-8 on modern devices
[18:57] <diddledan> ebenink
[19:58] <daftykins> o hai
[19:58] <daftykins> the channel was so clear i could see the coastline of France the other day - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v5c89h6yjrhn1ex/AAAfcmLMN7ZLakiiMs8dP5nUa?dl=0
[20:46] <m0nkey_> wut? https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/03/07/announcing-sql-server-on-linux/
[20:47] <daftykins> ooh-err
[20:48] <zmoylan-pi> well you do want it as far away as possible from your exchange server... :-P
[20:52] <diddledan> wut?
[20:53] <diddledan> so is this a reinvention of "embrace extend extinguish" or do MS really believe in linux?
[21:01] <zmoylan-pi> ms wants linux dead, if that means putting their software on linux so that people using linux end up paying for it then so be it
[21:02] <zmoylan-pi> anything to reduce the number of techs who have no knowledge whatsoever of ms and their products
[21:03]  * diddledan tries running WordPress against SQLServer :-p
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> apt install ...
[21:21] <diddledan> so my UPS overheated while I was away at the weekend
[21:21] <diddledan> it was rather warm when I got home yesterday
[21:21] <diddledan> I've unplugged it and disconnected the battery entirely
[21:23] <diddledan> to disconnect the battery I pulled the manual circuit breaker out from the back of the unit
[21:24] <diddledan> (I think it's designed for shipping but it will suffice for this purpose :-p)
[21:24] <popey> hm
[21:24] <popey> my bank has a "download as xls" thing
[21:24] <popey> but when I download, it aint an xls file
[21:24] <diddledan> oooh
[21:24] <daftykins> csv?
[21:24] <diddledan> funky
[21:24] <diddledan> xlsx?
[21:24] <zmoylan-pi> pdf? :-)
[21:24] <daftykins> didn't you have some UPS trouble recently too, or was it someone else?
[21:24] <diddledan> daftykins, my mac battery is dangerous
[21:24] <popey> it's just html
[21:24] <zmoylan-pi> it's a ups, it's supposed to give trouble :-)
[21:24] <popey> a table
[21:25] <daftykins> diddledan: oh yeah, that! how'd it go with Apple?
[21:25] <diddledan> I've not contacted them yet
[21:25] <daftykins> =|
[21:25] <diddledan> haven't touched the mac since, so it's not caught fire through being used
[21:26] <daftykins> may as well crack the lid and remove it i'd think?
[21:26] <diddledan> I decided not to do that due to the packages being flexipacks
[21:26] <diddledan> there's no substance other than the innards
[21:30] <daftykins> the bound up cells?
[21:31] <daftykins> i wonder if it's done any damage to the casing
[21:33] <diddledan> the batteries are pretty much similar to voyager's gelpacks :-p
[21:35] <awilkins> Only they don't think or become infected by cheese bacteria
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> might depend on the type of cheese...
[21:37] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, athlete's foot cheese
[21:40] <diddledan> seriously how do random people decide they should follow me on twitter? https://twitter.com/MissMonicaOriel just followed me out of the blue - I've never heard of her
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> twitter does recommends, some people just follow random names, some are bots...
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> i'll often click on a persons tweets who has followed me to see if they tweet interesting things.  i may (<10% of the time) follow back
[21:42] <zmoylan-pi> or i may not follow but add them to a twitterlist
[23:05] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/mOBQXuu_5Zw
[23:07] <diddledan> swarm-logic ai is impressive
[23:10] <diddledan> does azure run windows? https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Azure-Friday/FAQ-with-Mark-Russinovich-Does-Windows-Azure-run-Windows-
[23:15] <diddledan> MAME is free finally: http://mamedev.org/?p=422
[23:23] <popey> \o/
[23:23] <popey> I remember the first time I heard about MAME was... hmmm
[23:23] <popey> some time ago
[23:23] <popey> 1995 maybe?
[23:23] <popey> 93?
[23:23] <diddledan> you're old :-p
[23:23] <popey> oh, 1997 apparently was the first release
[23:24] <diddledan> regarding emulation in general - I have a copy of Bleem! here
[23:24] <diddledan> that was the commercial thing to emulate the original PlayStation on a PC
[23:24] <diddledan> got sued out of existence \o/
[23:24] <popey> i recall that
[23:25] <popey> Around the time of MAME first version there was another multi-system emulator which had a nice UI
[23:26] <popey> sparcade iirc
[23:26] <diddledan> I fancy trying to build one of these: https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-80946/l/pik3a-the-raspberry-pi-3-ikea-retro-gaming-table
[23:26] <popey> http://www.sparcade.freeserve.co.uk/ woah
[23:26] <popey> I have a picade
[23:26] <popey> just updated it to pi 3
[23:26] <popey> it's ace
[23:26] <diddledan> nice
[23:26] <popey> running retropie (thanks exobuzz)
[23:27] <exobuzz> :-)
[23:27] <popey> scraping takes a while
[23:27] <exobuzz> 110000 downloads of retropie 3.6
[23:27] <popey> (when you have 20K spectrum games)
[23:27] <popey> wow
[23:27] <exobuzz> popey, you using the scraper from retropie-setup setup/configuration menu ?
[23:28] <exobuzz> it's much quicker than the one built into emulationstation
[23:28] <popey> uh
[23:28] <popey> yeah, the one in emulationstation
[23:28] <popey> feels like it's rate limited by the backend server
[23:28] <exobuzz> try sselph's scraper - you need to exit emulationstation and then cd ~/RetroPie-Setup; sudo ./retropie-setup.sh
[23:29] <exobuzz> (it can't be run at the same time as ES since it messes with ES gameslists)
[23:29] <popey> kk
[23:29] <exobuzz> 20k speccy games ? so long as you have  batty and chaos in there
[23:29] <exobuzz> was playing batty yesterday
[23:30] <mapps> hi :D
[23:31] <mapps> picade hmm
[23:31] <popey> oh i loved batty when it first came out
[23:32] <popey> loved that covertape
[23:32] <exobuzz> yeh was a goodun
[23:32] <mapps> hmmm maye i should try retropi
[23:33] <popey> exobuzz: where is the scraper in setup?
[23:33] <popey> oh, 319!
[23:33] <popey> got it
[23:33] <popey> This. Is. Magic.
[23:38] <mapps> i found playing roms to always be a huge pain:D
[23:45] <exobuzz> popey, quicker ? I have to admit I don't think I ever tested it for speccy stuff
[23:46] <popey> it's chugging away now :)
[23:54] <daftykins> diddledan: was it yourself speaking of the likelihood of PHP7 on 16.04 - do you know if it is or not?
[23:54] <diddledan> I believe 7 is in the repo now
[23:54] <daftykins> ah har, ta - user asking over in #ubuntu
[23:54] <diddledan> the package has been renamed to php7.0 to not conflict with php or php5.0


[23:45] <soreau> TrueColors: I have no idea what you're trying to do but it sounds like you should seek a channel or forum that's more specific to what you're trying to find out
[23:46] <zykotick9> pants_, flash creates and deletes the file right away.  To capture them first run "lsof | grep Flash" to find out the proc #### being used then "cat /proc/####/fd/XX > flash.flv" the XX will be for each video you're watching.  Sorry best directions I can give over IRC.  Good luck.
[23:46] <soreau> pants_: Download helper is *way* easier :)
[23:46] <zykotick9> soreau, +1
[23:47] <pants_> yeah i know
[23:48] <soreau> pants_: Then why are you asking?
[23:49] <pants_> i don't know, i've read about scripts that'll take it out of the cache folder and move it so you can watch it later
[23:49] <soreau> pants_: Download. Helper.
[23:49] <soreau> Firefox. Add-on.
[23:49] <zykotick9> pants_, those are outdated - flash files used to be stored in /tmp
[23:49] <soreau> indeed
[23:49] <soreau> It used to be easy
[23:49] <tetsu> is there a channel for UEC?
[23:50] <soreau> tetsu: What is UEC in this context?
[23:50] <tetsu> ubuntu enterprise cloud
[23:50] <pants_> i have download helper i just wanted to be a little tricky i guess?
[23:50] <pants_> at any rate i learned a bit about bash today so
[23:50] <soreau> pants_: Why???
[23:50] <repnop> pants: another way is to use wireshark and just wget the flv file
[23:50] <soreau> repnop: With download helper, you can just copy the download link
[23:51] <repnop> afaik you need some headers set
[23:51] <repnop> otherwise it'll return a 403?
[23:51] <soreau> no, you don't
[23:51] <CoreXeT> anonymous?
[23:51] <repnop> but just giving him another route
[23:52] <soreau> repnop: Well I guess if he wants to use the most difficult way imaginable, he may as well just switch from firefox to links
[23:55] <roooot> is there any diff between xubuntu and ubuntu?
[23:55] <roooot> Like a MAIN difference?
[23:56] <aeon-ltd> roooot: xfce not gnome
[23:56] <roooot> is that the only diff?
[23:56] <smw> roooot, different default installed programs
[23:56] <smw> roooot, different desktop environment
[23:56] <aeon-ltd> dude you don't understand how big that diff is
[23:57] <roooot> Lol im just tryin to decide which one to install..
[23:57] <aeon-ltd> it changes everything, all gui apps are different, only the ubuntu 'core' non-x stuff is the same
[23:57] <smw> roooot, the only difference is one is gnome and the other xfce
[23:57] <roooot> is one fast then another? or no cause same kernel
[23:58] <roooot> i heard xubuntu is lighter cuz no gnome
[23:58] <aeon-ltd> yes
[23:58] <Maarten> xubuntu is more geared to lower-end hardware, xfce does not take up as many resources as gnome, so on older hardware, it is generally faster. On newer hardware, it does not matter much
[23:58] <aeon-ltd> frankly though if you want light don't even use DEs
[23:58] <zykotick9> roooot, they both use the same repository, so you can install the same things on either xubuntu or ubuntu or kubuntu or etc.
[23:58] <smw> thunar > nautilus (from a speed perspective)
[23:59] <roooot> well im running intel core i7... 6 gb ram..
[23:59] <roooot> i tryed ubuntu kinda sloppy ;s
[23:59] <aeon-ltd> heh he heh
[23:59] <smw> roooot, get normal ubuntu. If you later want, you can try xfce
[23:59] <roooot> i tryed ubuntu alrdy.. and sometimes it hangs
[23:59] <aeon-ltd> roooot: sloppy how? laggy if so try classic or disabling compiz/unity


[02:06] <e87hd> is there a way to get old versions of software from the software centre?
[02:07] <holstein> e87hd: updating the packages
[02:08] <e87hd> what do you mean?
[02:09] <holstein> e87hd: lets say, for example, you run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".. update updates the cache, meaning old versions wont be shown as installation candidates.. and dist-upgrade installs newer packages from your sources over the older ones you have installed
[02:09] <e87hd> ok
[02:09] <holstein> you can do that from *any* package manager.. "reload" in synaptic, for example is kind of like "sudp apt-get update"
[02:09] <e87hd> I specifically want to download a certain version of a package
[02:10] <holstein> e87hd: sure.. why? and what package?
[02:10] <holstein> you may find that you can use synaptic to easily "force older version" of some package
[02:10] <e87hd> oh
[02:10] <e87hd> how do I do that?
[02:10] <holstein> if you want a newer one, then, thats a different story.. is that the case?
[02:11] <e87hd> nope, I want an old version
[02:11] <e87hd> where is the force older version?
[02:11] <holstein> e87hd: in the synaptic package manager, its in the menu
[02:12] <holstein> e87hd: i used to just search for the package by name, right click or highlight and use force version from the menu
[02:12] <e87hd> I dont see synaptic package manager
[02:12] <e87hd> I am in xubuntu 14.04
[02:13] <holstein> sure.. you can easily install it
[02:13] <holstein> sudo apt-get install synaptic ..or whatever package manager you are using.. its another GUI package manager
[02:13] <holstein> !info synaptic
[02:15] <e87hd> ok
[02:15] <e87hd> they dont have the version I need
[02:15] <e87hd> I will just build from source
[03:19] <xubuntu073> hello anyone got a moment to help a newb
[03:19] <holstein> xubuntu073: just ask.. a volunteer may be able to assist
[03:20] <xubuntu073> its rather embarassing i would prefer to have a 1 on 1 discussion if thats ok
[03:21] <holstein> xubuntu073: this is the xubuntu channel.. anything related to the xubuntu operating system support
[03:40]  * cfhowlett grabs popcorn and leans back ...
[06:43] <xubuntu432> manda
[09:22] <rmyc> hey what is the best open source language-learning software?
[09:31] <akis> hi all. i am trying to find the best driver for my 8300gd nvidia and i download the 340.32 driver from official site. now i am running 173. do maybe know how can i change to 340.32. it is not in available driver list of additional driver to choose it.
[11:41] <akis> hello dear friends. i want to ask if in /home there are stored information about display driver's configuration and if yes in which dir are they stored?
[11:59] <brainwash> akis: user-specific information? like screen resolution?
[12:06] <akis> brainwash: screen resolution maybe, or refresh rate, or specific driver used or anything else concerned to display driver.
[12:08] <brainwash> akis: take a look at ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml
[12:19] <akis> brainwash: no displays.xml there.
[12:19] <brainwash> what are you trying to fix or do anyway?
[12:30] <akis> brainwash: no nothing. i just setup another machine and i want to copy-paste my /home to this. this  copy/paste works and save time but as the source machine is a laptop and the desti nation machine is a desktop and they have absolutely different hardware configuration i am wondering if this copy-paste makes any damage to system configuration
[12:32] <brainwash> I guess it won't
[12:32] <brainwash> the displays.xml usually stores settings like screen resolution and display setup
[12:33] <brainwash> and is only created if the user manually changes any of these settings
[12:34] <akis> i have the same opinion but i am not sure. i was faced with a driver's issue on my desktop system which uses an nvidia 8300 gs and i first want to exclude this possibility
[12:39] <elfy> nothing in ~/ for nvidia here
[12:39] <akis> elfy: thank you. good news.
[12:40] <akis> have you maybe read or heard anything about the nouveau nvidia driver?
[12:41] <elfy> any changes you'd make with nvidia settings would only save to xorg.conf afaik
[12:41] <elfy> akis: you'd need to be more specific - of course I have read and heard about it
[12:45] <akis> elfy: ok i will describe the issue.  in my desktop system where i installed xubuntu 14.04 (clean installation) was installed by default Xorg "nouveau driver" but although it works very fast it pixelized for several seconds the screen after user's login and before it loads the background. So i installed 173 from the alternative drivers list because with this one the system run smoothly under 12.04. Unfortunately i realized that now (under 14.04)
[12:45] <akis>  173 works very slow and for example FireFox is very slow if i move up and own a visited page. Also there is a big lag every time i click on the xubuntu logo icon to open whisky menu. So i have to turn back to "nouveau driver". I tried also 340.32 from official site but it behaves at the same way as "noveau drive". Any idea on this?
[13:05] <elfy> akis: I don't know anymore than I did yesterday ;)
[13:07] <akis> elfy: ok my friend. i am trying to find other users reports using google.
[13:16] <malmalmal> Hello, I have a question, thanks in advance for your help; a friend for who I have installed Xubuntu run into "not enough diskspace for update". It seems she rebooted after that without doing anything in particular, and now xubuntu is not bootable nor does it appear as a partition under windows xp (dual boot machine)
[13:16] <malmalmal> last xubuntu
[13:17] <malmalmal> I am about to go usb live on that pc but I am not sure what exactly happened
[13:17] <cfhowlett> malmalmal, /boot       is full of kernels.
[13:17] <malmalmal> But why should it not boot ?
[13:17] <malmalmal> thanks for replying
[13:18] <malmalmal> may it be that it broke the partition someway ?
[13:19] <cfhowlett> malmalmal, true ... partial/broken update?  can you boot into text mode?
[13:19] <malmalmal> checking
[13:19] <cfhowlett> malmalmal, also suggest you bring this to main channel - more eyes on the prize.
[13:20] <malmalmal> what is main channel ?
[13:20] <cfhowlett> malmalmal, #ubuntu
[13:20] <malmalmal> aaaah
[13:20] <malmalmal> do you want to try to help me first ?
[13:21] <malmalmal> normal booting results in black screen
[13:21] <malmalmal> can I boot into text from grub ?
[13:21] <cfhowlett> malmalmal, nah, bring it to main, please.  more talent than I have is available.
[13:21] <malmalmal> ok thanks !
[17:26] <xubuntu645> hello
[17:30] <xubuntu645>  just installed XUbuntu but i see that  Wireless is disabled by hardware switch.
[17:31] <cfhowlett> xubuntu645, what would the switch be on windows?
[17:32] <xubuntu645> i haven't windows
[17:32] <cfhowlett> xubuntu645, not what I asked.  look at your keyboard.
[17:33] <xubuntu645> nothing
[17:33] <cfhowlett> xubuntu645, your keyboard doesn't show the wifi toggle?
[17:34] <xubuntu645> no wifi toggle
[17:35] <xubuntu645> ...packard bell easynote e4000d
[17:56] <slit> Hi! Colud someone help me with my broadcom wifi drivers. When I install them through synaptic it works but after restarting, I don't have wifi anymore. But drivers are marked at synaptic
[17:57] <slit> I am running xubuntu 14.04
[17:59] <Boom_Farmer> I just upgraded to 14.04 from 13.10, and I see in the release notes that Light Locker replaces xscreensaver.
[18:00] <Boom_Farmer> Under xscreensaver, I was able to Win-L to trigger xflock4, then walk away while programs cnotinued running.
[18:00] <Boom_Farmer> A notable example of programs that I want to continue running and continue having access to things like speakers would be the alarm clock application.
[18:01] <Boom_Farmer> This morning, i discovered to my chagrin that LightLocker does not allow the alarm clock to be loud and play music while the screen is locked.
[18:01] <Boom_Farmer> It also does something weird with swapping around the video outputs on my montirs, essentiallygoing back to the boot login screen.
[18:02] <Boom_Farmer> Question: Why should I keep LightLocker, and not replace it with xscreensaver?
[18:02] <Soelen> hello, I am having some sort of weird display issue atm
[18:03] <brainwash> Boom_Farmer: there is no reason to keep it if it breaks functionality
[18:03] <Soelen> I lost connection to my second screen for the moment because I plugged the calbe out, when I plugged it back, I was able to scroll to the right when I moved my mouse to the end of the screen
[18:03] <Soelen> everything is blank at this point
[18:03] <brainwash> Boom_Farmer: please read http://xubuntu.org/news/screen-locking-in-xubuntu-14-04/
[18:03] <Soelen> nevertheless I don't know how to disable this
[18:04] <Boom_Farmer> brainwash: I have found that, and am reading it. THanks.
[18:05] <brainwash> Soelen: it this a reproducible problem?
[18:06] <Soelen> brainwash: I don't think so, I don't know exactly what this caused
[18:07] <Boom_Farmer> brainwash: I found the lighlocker settings and disabled it. Xscreensaver works now. THanks!
[18:07] <Boom_Farmer> Is there a karma bot hereabouts?
[18:07] <brainwash> Boom_Farmer: awesome :)
[18:08] <Soelen> I can't even screenshot this
[18:08] <Soelen> when I screenshot it does take a screenshot from both screens as usual
[18:08] <Boom_Farmer> What do you mean "I was able to scroll to the right?:
[18:09] <Soelen> well
[18:11] <Soelen> imagine a screen infront of you and a second screen on the right side. Normally when you move your mouse to the right side you would reach the second screen, but in my case the first screen keeps scrolling as if it would extend the second screen
[18:11] <Soelen> it is hard to describe
[18:11] <Soelen> is there a way to reset display behaviour
[18:11] <Boom_Farmer> So the image that would normally be displayed across both monitors is now only displayed on one, and scrolls to ensure the mouse is visible.
[18:11] <Boom_Farmer> Are you using Nvidia drivers?
[18:12] <brainwash> I guess a relog should fix this
[18:13] <Boom_Farmer> GOing into your driver video settings or the Xubuntu System Settings>Display might let you reenable the other monitor.
[18:13] <Soelen> Boom_Farmer: yes nvidia drivers, you are almost correct except the I am on the second screen with my mouse as well
[18:13] <Soelen> brainwash: I relogged, unfortunatly that did not do the trick
[18:14] <Boom_Farmer> In the Nvidia settings, there's a "X Server Display Configuration" item on the left.
[18:14] <Boom_Farmer> When you click it, there's a representation of your two monitors.
[18:14] <Boom_Farmer> Are they overlapping? You should be able to drag them apart.
[18:14] <Soelen> Boom_Farmer: I am in there, no there are not overlapping
[18:15] <Soelen> but
[18:15] <Soelen> that's quite interesting
[18:15] <Soelen> let me make a screenshot
[18:19] <Soelen> http://imgur.com/hdhVJFs
[18:19] <Soelen> editing images with that weird effect is a pain in the ass
[18:19] <Boom_Farmer> What happens if you click on the blank panel?
[18:19] <Boom_Farmer> As a temporary fix, drag the bottom monitor up to the blank panel.
[18:20] <Soelen> anyway, as you can see on the left side screen1, at the bottom screen2 (I moved it down just for the sake to play wit it a bit) and some sort of 3rd? screen which extends or causes the scroll behaviour on screen 1
[18:20] <Soelen> Boom_Farmer: I cant, screen1 is follwing that blank panel down
[18:20] <Boom_Farmer> O.o
[18:20] <Boom_Farmer> Can you click on the blank panel and disable it?
[18:21] <Soelen> when I click on the blank panel I click on screen 1
[18:21] <Soelen> ow
[18:21] <Soelen> when I click on advanced
[18:21] <Soelen> I see panning is enabled
[18:21] <Soelen> panning:3840x1080
[18:22] <Boom_Farmer> And your desktop appears to be on blank?
[18:22] <Boom_Farmer> Er, on Screen 1?
[18:22] <Soelen> no
[18:22] <Boom_Farmer> Or is it on X Screen 0?
[18:22] <Soelen> well yes, sometimes it is blank
[18:22] <Soelen> sometimes it extends screen 2
[18:23] <Soelen> but nevermind
[18:23] <Soelen> I set panning back to 1920x1080
[18:23] <Soelen> it seems to be ok again
[18:23] <Boom_Farmer> Punch the Detect Displays button, see what you've got?
[18:24] <Soelen> Boom_Farmer: nothing is happening, no clue why, but don't mind that, it is working now : P thanks for the tip with the nvidia display settings
[18:24] <Soelen> the normal display settings is not showing those panning values for some reason
[20:45] <xubuntu990> Shud i install xubuntu-restricted-extras before or after the updates ? and why is the flashplugin in this extras when it come with installation anyway ?
[20:47] <Azelphur> xubuntu990: it doesn't matter what order you install it in, and flashplugin doesn't come by default
[20:47] <Azelphur> the reason why all those things are in separate packages is because they are proprietary or have licensing restrictions, the goal is to ship an open source operating system.
[20:50] <xubuntu990> I allways have flashplayer after i install xubuntu. is flashplugin something else a plugin for the mediaplayer ?
[20:51] <Azelphur> xubuntu990: adobe flash player is for flash content in the web browser, video / games websites make use of it
[20:51] <Azelphur> it's nothing to do with the media player
[20:52] <xubuntu990> After instll xubunt there is flashplayer anyway.
[20:52] <Azelphur> xubuntu990: nope, xubuntu does not ship with flash player
[20:52] <xubuntu990> it is.
[20:52] <Azelphur> unless you tick the "install restricted extras" button in the installer (which is disabled by default)
[20:52] <Azelphur> xubuntu990: no it's not, it'd be a breach of copyright law if it was.
[20:53] <xubuntu990> I mark tow extra boxes i think it is from there when install.
[20:53] <Azelphur> xubuntu990: if you tick the extra boxes, xubuntu connects to the internet and downloads adobe flash player from adobes website and installs it for you.
[20:54] <xubuntu990> yes.
[20:54] <Azelphur> but, it most certainly doesn't ship with flash player, because that'd be a breach of copyright law as I say :)
[20:54] <xubuntu990> Is this allmost the same as restricted extras ? and maybe i dont need this package ?
[20:54] <Azelphur> the restricted tickbox in the installer literally installes xubuntu-restricted-extras afaik
[20:54] <Azelphur> so, it's one and the same
[20:56] <xubuntu990> So with these 2 boxes i have the same anyway maybe.
[20:56] <Azelphur> yup, exactly
[20:56] <Azelphur> install updates runs sudo apt-get upgrade after installing
[20:56] <Azelphur> install restricted extras runs sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:56] <Azelphur> essentially.
[20:57] <xubuntu990> I meen the boxes in start of instalation.
[20:57] <xubuntu990> there is 2.
[20:58] <Azelphur> yup, that's what I'm talking about too.
[20:58] <xubuntu990> ok
[20:59] <xubuntu990> is it other things i shud install ? Or is xubuntu ready to use after instalation and the updates ?
[21:00] <Azelphur> xubuntu990: it's ready to use after installation and updates, you don't even /need/ the restricted extras tbh
[22:07] <ewerton> i started the use xubuntu !
[22:07] <ewerton> very best so
[22:07] <HedgeMage> :)


[09:51] <airurando> morning all.
[09:56] <slashtom> good morning!
[09:56] <slashtom> is it death to the ubuntu hour?
[09:59] <airurando> ha ha
[09:59] <airurando> to be decided at a meeting I think
[10:00] <airurando> shame really
[10:00] <airurando> I can see both sides to the story
[10:00] <airurando> UH is different in purpose to PoTD
[10:00]  * slashtom suggests all those who vote to keep it turn up to the Ubuntu Hour
[10:01] <airurando> however that purpose doesn't seem to working here at the moment
[10:01] <airurando> slashtom: good point but that is not always possible
[10:02] <airurando> As I see it PoTD is a social get together for uber linux geeks
[10:03] <slashtom> isn't that what Ubuntu Hour is?
[10:03] <airurando> As far as I know it's not.
[10:04] <airurando> UH is a very social event for users or wamma be users of Ubuntu
[10:04] <airurando> *wanna
[10:04] <airurando> far less uber geeks
[10:04] <slashtom> ok, PoTD is pretty much the same but for all Linux users not just the Ubuntu ones
[10:04] <airurando> drop in event for folks to find out more about Ubuntu
[10:05] <slashtom> has that happened?
[10:05] <airurando> yeah but I'd argue that PoTD is a lot more intimidating to wanna be ubuntu users.
[10:06] <airurando> has that happened? no you are absolutely right
[10:06] <airurando> and that is the problem
[10:06] <airurando> maybe we haven't promoted it right?
[10:07] <airurando> maybe Irish folks are not interested enough to attend one?
[10:07] <airurando>  maybe Irish wanna be users are to shy or not confident enough to attend one?
[10:07] <airurando> lots of possibilities
[10:08] <slashtom> or people who want to find out more or solve their problems are using the internet?
[10:08] <airurando> indeed
[10:08] <airurando> as I said slashtom I see both sides.
[10:08] <airurando> It's not working for us at present for whatever reason.
[10:09] <airurando> but UH is a seperate type of event to PoTD.
[10:19] <airurando> slashtom: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[10:19] <airurando> first line states what UH should be.
[10:32] <slashtom> if you want to be different to PoTD...
[10:32] <slashtom> why not a coffee shop, first saturday of the month or something
[10:33] <airurando> aye indeed
[10:34] <airurando> slashtom: Its not that I or we want to be different from PoTD.
[10:34] <airurando> simply UH is an event with a different purpose.
[10:34] <airurando> thats all I'm saying
[10:36] <airurando> speaking as one of those lesser geeks UH was more apealing to me that PoTD.
[10:39] <ebel> hmm, regular weekend coffee shop...
[11:20] <airurando> anyone going to oggcamp?
[12:04] <ShaneM> airurando: Yep
[12:28] <airurando> Hi ShaneM
[12:28] <airurando> good for you.
[12:28] <airurando> do you know modes of transportation from Gatwick to Farnham
[12:30] <slashtom> http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/
[12:30] <airurando> in fact does anyone know the best way to get from Gatwick to Farnham?
[12:31] <airurando> thanks slashtom.
[12:31] <ShaneM> airurando: I've no idea to be honest.
[12:31] <ShaneM> airurando: I'm going to try and get a flight from Cork.
[12:32] <slashtom> i would have thought heathrow would be better
[12:32] <slashtom> but out of the cheap airports, gatwick would be much better than luton or stansted
[12:32] <airurando> ShaneM: I'm mulling over the possibility
[12:33] <airurando> slashtom: really?
[12:34] <slashtom> unless you get a hire car from gatwick
[12:34] <ShaneM> airurando: I haven't really looked at anything yet to be honest.
[12:35] <ShaneM> Probably will at the end of the month or so
[12:36] <ebel> gatwick is a larger airport
[12:36] <ebel> and has a trainstation
[12:36] <ebel> you can get from gatwick to the center of london on the gatwick express for something like £15 ?
[12:36] <slashtom> heathrow is not bad either
[12:36] <ebel> train station is right in the airport
[12:37] <ebel> heathrow has a tube station in it
[12:37] <slashtom> but best to avoid luton and stansted
[12:37] <slashtom> it does
[12:37] <ebel> birmingham airport also has a train station in it, real easy to get into birmingham city centre from the airport
[12:37] <airurando> rudimentary understanding of the map of the area.  Thought Gatwick would be best.
[12:37] <airurando> so long as transport was available to farnham
[12:38] <slashtom> airurando: from gatwick you're going via central london
[12:39] <slashtom> even by car, it's longer as you would be going via motorway
[12:39] <slashtom> i don't know about heathrow
[12:40]  * airurando knows nothing
[12:40] <airurando> :(
[12:41] <airurando> not sue I can swing it yet
[12:41] <airurando> needs to be cheap
[12:41] <slashtom> you know skyscanner.net?
[12:41] <airurando> I am off work for the first time and the flights currently look cheap...hmm
[12:42] <airurando> slashtom; no I don't.
[12:42] <slashtom> remember, no hand luggage ;)
[12:44] <airurando> Eh?
[12:50]  * airurando dashes off to collect the youngest kid from school
[13:35] <ebel> airurando: i.e. fly with a budget airline and only take hand luggage
[13:35] <ebel> makes the flights might cheaper
[15:06] <airurando> I see the Zorin OS guys are branching into hardware.
[15:06] <airurando> http://zorinpc.com/
[15:06] <airurando> Good luck to them.
[15:10] <airurando> ebel: if I'm going that was my plan it's just slashtoms last statement said remember, no hand luggage ;)
[15:11] <airurando> presume that was just sarcasm?
[15:11] <ebel> hehe he probabaly mistyped
[15:11] <ebel> My mum fly *loads* of times with a check in bag. twas silly
[15:11] <ebel> once the bag-on-wheels weighed 7 kg.
[15:11] <ebel> she was paying €20 for that.
[15:12] <ebel> sometimes people can forget about these things...
[15:15] <slashtom> aye, my mum gets no choice... i book her flights
[15:15] <slashtom> ebel: your sister is just as bad


[02:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd039067ee5ca: Start custom actions section] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd039067ee5ca
[03:11] <lynorian> what does the type=action thing in the desktop spec mean
[06:54] <guiverc> task34/41:  (smart package removal); where would I go to look for how it's done in ubiquity?  or is grabbing the `apt install source` the best approach?
[13:13] <BlakeCarrington[> Hi. Running lxqt atm.but cannot get trojita email client to connect to a hotmail account i use. The imap and smtp settings are correct but my folders wont download
[13:32] <kc2bez> BlakeCarrington[: This question is probably better for the support channel.
[13:32] <kc2bez> !support | BlakeCarrington[
[15:07] <BlakeCarrington[> Thanks
[17:26] <wxl> https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/why-not-contribute/87
[17:27] <wxl> ^ most of you don't need to read that, but..
 👌
[18:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL488b77fb7876: Add create file in example for custom actions] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL488b77fb7876
 wxl we more need to share it
[18:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL459d6e5e21eb: Add open in featherpad the desktop file] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL459d6e5e21eb
[18:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6cb3cc3be05b: Add pcmanfm-qt open in terminal example desktop file but still has some problems] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6cb3cc3be05b
[19:03] <wxl> @lynorian: toot away my friend :)
[19:05] <lynorian> I have a need to know what the desktop spec is for current directory
[19:07]  * kc2bez forwarded your forum post to the Telegram announcement channel wxl
[19:08] <wxl> danke
[19:11] <wxl> could you provide some context @lynorian ?
[19:12] <lynorian> trying to actually provide an example for custom actions for open in terminal
[19:12] <lynorian> trying qterminal -w to open that file path but need the current directory
[19:13] <wxl> these are qterminal custom actions?
[19:13] <lynorian> no in pcmanfm-qt as an exmpale somewhat different than the manjaro ones
[19:14] <wxl> ah ok
[19:14] <wxl> so here's the section on actions https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html#extra-actions
[19:15] <wxl> the section on the exec key is relevant as it tells you about all the variables https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html#exec-variables
[19:16] <lynorian> I actually don't see one there unfortanetly
[19:16] <wxl> if you need to act only on a current directory, make sure to set MimeTypes=inode/directory;
[19:16] <wxl> and then you could use %f
[19:16] <lynorian> ok
[19:17] <wxl> i wish there was more consistency between terminals
[19:18] <wxl> `x-terminal-emulator -e 'cd %f'`  or something of the sort might be more portable
[19:35] <wxl> OOOOOH an expandable terminal emulator with tons of features that does not require a UI toolkit. it uses OpenGL, leaving all rendering to the GPU, so less footprint on the overall system. it's got a cute logo, too. https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/
[19:35] <wxl> c + python
[19:35] <wxl> latest commit 5 hours ago
[19:36] <lynorian> wxl not sure I would want that in a vm though
[19:36] <wxl> right right
 I know a guy that raves about kitty. I haven't tried it myself yet.
[19:37] <wxl> looks pretty rad given the feature list. i'm not one to change terminals but this is tempting
 Sounds cool. I may have to give it a go.
[19:38] <lynorian> I mean it is cool like how I like xfs but understand a good reason for it not being default is not able to be shrunk.
[19:39] <wxl> if and when zfs becomes rock solid, i'm all for making it default :)
 x!=z
[19:40] <wxl> i am aware, incidentially
[20:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL004518e8e06c: Add restart via stop and start in gui] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL004518e8e06c
 I got in touch with the Ubuntu dev who helps with the ISO tester for Ubuntu and I'll email him tonight to ask how we can automate iso testing. Once I figure out how to deploy that app, I'll host it on my Digital Ocean droplet via a cronjob daily and I'll figure out how to get it to send out related reports
 *via LinkedIn. He gave me his email address thankfully as well so I'll keep in touch with him.
[22:22] <wxl> neat
 @SamuelBanya [I got in touch with the Ubuntu dev who helps with the ISO tester for Ubuntu and …], jibel?
 Joshua Powers
 ohhhh
 yeah I know him
 I also tried emailing the following mailing list but was told I was emailing the wrong one to get help with porting redshift<EMAIL_ADDRESS> I'll try emailing the qt one instead of the gtk one as well
 ah
[22:25] <wxl> progress is good
 @SamuelBanya [I got in touch with the Ubuntu dev who helps with the ISO tester for Ubuntu and …], We have a Jenkins instance you can use :)
 Ok whatever works in that case
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[01:55] <tsimonq2> pleia2: BTW, how was UbuCon? And where can I find the tracks to hunt down video recordings? :D
[01:56] <pleia2> it was great :)
[01:56] <pleia2> I think https://www.youtube.com/user/socallinuxexpo/videos has (some of?) them, but I haven't looked carefully
[01:58] <pleia2> not sure if it's being split up into individual talks, but this is the user track on Thursday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY4d4OoYVEw
[01:58] <tsimonq2> ahh okay thanks pleia2 :)
[01:59] <pleia2> here are the dev room talks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C8T4Mp9aSM
[01:59] <pleia2> and sabdfl's keynote and stuff here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXJIBLI8AGM
[02:00] <pleia2> ...continues here (after technical difficulties?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1wj0BaBFRk
[02:00] <pleia2> I need to go to the airplane now
[02:00] <tsimonq2> bai pleia2
[02:05] <tsimonq2> pleia2: would this go anywhere? it's pretty major, especially for Ubuntu, https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160123


[22:57] <Unit193> abiword 3.0.0-8 was just uploaded, we're a couple behind.  Latest one fixes Debian #766845.
[22:57] <Unit193> !info abiword vivid
[23:42] <Noskcaj> Unit193, also, upstream has a new point release. Should we package that or just merge debian's changes?
[23:42] <Noskcaj> http://www.abisource.com/release-notes/3.0.1.phtml


[05:09] <cob-olp1> bobweaver: nice idea
[05:12] <cob-olp1> bobweaver: I'm trying to do something similar, but on pandaboard which we have in a company that I work for
[17:32] <bobweaver> So I am uploading ISO of what I got for others to play with says it is going to take abut 7 hrs or so
[17:35] <bobweaver> and yes I am still porting to nux and yes it is a pain in the butt and yes I am not sure that I can do this :) have a good one I am off to set up demo of Ubuntu TV at a local computer shop .
[19:45] <bobweaver> ping popey
[19:45] <popey> yo bobweaver
[19:45] <bobweaver> hey there
[19:45] <bobweaver> I have some questions
[19:45] <popey> fire away
[19:45] <bobweaver> I just got 13 stores that want to carry Ubuntu
[19:46] <bobweaver> I get live cds from my head loco guy
[19:46] <popey> carry as in have the cds on show in store?
[19:46] <bobweaver> but I do not have enough and I am also running out of time for all of the things that I am doing
[19:46] <popey> or carry as in ship machines with it pre-installed?
[19:46] <bobweaver> yes and preinstalled also
[19:46] <bobweaver> one store wants me to set up a puppet center
[19:47] <popey> sounds exciting
[19:47] <bobweaver> they are a computer recycling center that sells used computers
[19:47] <bobweaver> How can I talk to some one at canonical about this ?
[19:47] <bobweaver> or who to get a-hold of
[19:47] <popey> about which aspect?
[19:47] <bobweaver> the cds
[19:47] <popey> you can order CDs from the store
[19:48] <popey> or burn your own of course
[19:48] <bobweaver> getting more then my loco guy gives me
[19:48] <popey> or get someone to burn them for you
[19:48] <popey> we generally ship more cds to people for events / conferences and the like
[19:48] <popey> not for businesses to sell/use
[19:48] <popey> but of course some may find their way into the hands of people who run businesses, we can't control that
[19:48] <bobweaver> think about he ammount of people that will get it thou
[19:49] <popey> sure
[19:49] <popey> but it doesnt scale
[19:49] <popey> if everyone did that in their town we woudl spend all our money on making cds
[19:49] <bobweaver> maybe if I make like a fake package like windows does
[19:49] <popey> and none on developers making the software ☺
[19:49] <bobweaver> lol
[19:49] <popey> great though it is to advocate ubuntu \o/
[19:49] <popey> we cant really finance every business wanting to use it
[19:50] <bobweaver> I could just have like the cardboard shefs
[19:50] <popey> we provide the artwork and iso image.. all you need is a cd
[19:50] <bobweaver> that is what I am looking for not the cds them selfs
[19:50] <bobweaver> and stands
[19:50] <bobweaver> stuff like that
[19:50] <popey> yeah, we used to do those cardboard trays
[19:50] <bobweaver> not the acuaual cds
[19:50] <popey> but we don't anymore
[19:50] <bobweaver> dang
[19:50] <popey> we don't have point of sale stuff
[19:50] <popey> somoene should design that
[19:51] <popey> and put the designs on spreadubuntu or something
[19:51] <bobweaver> like lemon ?
[19:51] <popey> that would be awesome
[19:51] <popey> then people could make their own
[19:51] <popey> or get a company to make them for them
[19:51] <popey> those cardboard things last longer than the CDs they contain, so you wouldn't need to buy them as consumables
[19:52] <bobweaver> My idea is to have a peice of cardboard that a person picks up and brings to the counter then they install on computer
[19:52] <popey> you'd need what, 2 per store, thats not many
[19:52] <bobweaver> one store gets over 500 people a day
[19:52] <bobweaver> I am going to have to train there staff
[19:53] <bobweaver> but if there was like 3 things more that I need
[19:53] <bobweaver> er
[19:53] <bobweaver> one the piece of cardboard that I am talking about
[19:53] <bobweaver> two ) where to get support via advantage and also community
[19:54] <popey> you can buy advantage from the online store
[19:54] <bobweaver> 3) displays cardboard for the pre-installed computers
[19:54] <bobweaver> yup ^^
[19:54] <popey> but we dont have the other stuff
[19:55] <bobweaver> but the docs I have here that I print out http://ubuntustreetteam.tk/UA.pdf
[19:55] <popey> Be good to put the call out to someone like Martin Owens and see if he could design something for you, he loves this stuff
[19:55] <bobweaver> how to kick some one to say we need to make this
[19:55] <bobweaver> thanks for the name
[19:55] <popey> doctormo on irc
[19:57] <bobweaver> thanks popey  you are awesome !
[20:03] <popey> np
[20:03] <popey> anytime
[20:04] <bobweaver> :)


[00:34] <Ursinha> hahahahaha
[00:36] <wgrant> That sounded mildly evil.
[09:26] <ara> morning all :-)
[09:26] <ara> quick question: do you guys know if there is a way to change a project's name? how?
[09:33] <thumper> ara: you need to ask an LP admin
[09:34] <thumper> ara: the correct way is to ask a question on the launchpad project (https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion)
[09:36] <ara> thumper: thanks
[10:23] <Ziroday> Hi, we are trying to register our loco on launchpad, however someone has taken the team address (ubuntu-sg) already
[10:24] <Ziroday> however he does not seem to be actively using that account
[10:24] <Ziroday> any ideas?
[10:27] <intellectronica> Ziroday: you could contact them and ask
[10:27] <Ziroday> intellectronica: there is no address left
[10:29] <intellectronica> Ziroday: yeah, i can see. well, guess you'll have to use a different name, then
[10:30] <Ziroday> intellectronica: bummer
[10:31] <intellectronica> Ziroday: it's just a name. why do you feel so strongly about it?
[10:31] <Ziroday> intellectronica: no, its for the loco every other loco follows the same format
[10:31] <intellectronica> Ziroday: is it following some king of convention
[10:32] <intellectronica> ah i see
[10:32] <Ziroday> intellectronica: but nevermind, we shall be different :)
[10:32] <intellectronica> :)
[10:34] <intellectronica> Ziroday: anyway, the username can be changed, so if you do manage to make contact with sg later on you can still try to persuade him to give your team the name
[10:34] <Ziroday> intellectronica: sweet
[10:34] <Ziroday> intellectronica: thanks
[10:45] <ara> another question, how can I set up a bzr branch hosted in LP to be open for any user to upload changes?
[10:45] <wgrant> Does Ubuntu not have jurisdiction over ubuntu*, like on Freenode?
[10:46] <wgrant> ara: You would have to create a team with an open membership policy, and tell people to join that team.
[10:46] <ara> wgrant: thanks
[10:55] <cyberix> Does Launchpad provide any way for estimating how many people are affected by a bug?
[11:01] <cyberix> eg. I'd like to see a list of the most active/commented bugs in Ubuntu
[11:01] <cyberix> can I get that somehow?
[11:08] <wgrant> cyberix: You can order bug listings by number of comments or duplicates.
[11:10] <gour> morning
[11:16] <gour> heh, found the answer :-)
[11:22] <wgrant> Hrmph. Staging is behind edge.
[11:23] <wgrant> mpt: Why does the (accept/decline) button just show separate Accept and Decline buttons?
[11:23] <wgrant> Why aren't those buttons just shown by default?
[11:26] <mpt> wgrant, for bug report nominations?
[11:26] <wgrant> mpt: That's correct, sorry.
[11:26] <mpt> I don't really know.
[11:26] <mpt> It's not as if the table would be too tall if they were shown by default.
[11:27] <wgrant> It wouldn't be significantly taller if they were where the almost-link is now.
[11:27] <mpt> Possibly it's because it was implemented using the same mechanism as the normal status changing, and it was easier not to special case it and say "this one should be expanded all the time".
[11:27] <mpt> I'll report a bug if you won't. :-)
[11:28] <wgrant> I will.
[11:32] <techno_freak> hi, where can I find my LP OpenID Login? I can't find it in my LP profile
[11:32] <wgrant> techno_freak: Only members of launchpad-beta-testers can see it, AFAIK.
[11:33] <techno_freak> wgrant, ah ok, thanks
[12:08] <dholbach> can somebody change the owner the owner of ~motu-release from ~jr to ~motu-council?
[12:09] <Riddell> or tell us who can do it (besides launchpad admins) since the current owner can't
[12:10] <wgrant> Riddell: You don't have a 'Change owner' action?
[12:10] <wgrant> What happens if you go to +reassign?
[12:10] <Riddell> wgrant: I do, but I don't have permission when I try and follow it
[12:10] <Riddell> "Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page."
[12:11] <wgrant> Maybe you need to be a member of the team (which would be a bug).
[12:11] <wgrant> But I can do it on a team of which I am an admin and owner.
[12:11] <dholbach> Riddell: shall I make you an admin again? :)
[12:11] <wgrant> You might be able to get a more useful error message if you try on dogfood.
[12:12] <Riddell> dholbach: oh go on
[12:13] <dholbach> Riddell: hum... reactivated you, but you're not an admin
[12:13] <dholbach> I can't do that
[12:13] <dholbach> did that help? :)
[12:13] <wgrant> That's interesting.
[12:14] <wgrant> One doesn't have launchpad.Owner unless one is an admin too, it appears.
[12:14] <wgrant> Erm.
[12:14] <wgrant> This is really really broken.
[12:14] <Riddell> still don't have permission to change owner
[12:14]  * wgrant files some bugs.
[12:14] <wgrant> You'll need an admin.
[12:15] <dholbach> Riddell: can you make yourself an admin?
[12:15] <wgrant> Only the owner can add admins, but one doesn't get owner privileges unless one is a member.
[12:15] <Riddell> yep done that
[12:15] <Riddell> and now I can change owner, groovy
[12:15] <dholbach> ROCK
[12:15] <wgrant> Oh.
[12:15] <wgrant> Hmm.
[12:15]  * dholbach hugs Riddell and wgrant
[12:15] <wgrant> Something is different on dogfood.
[12:15] <wgrant> Oh.
[12:16] <dholbach> Riddell: I'll deactivate motu-council and you, OK?
[12:16] <dholbach> now that ownership is transferred
[12:17] <Riddell> dholbach: ok
[12:17] <Riddell> dholbach: and if you want to, add ubuntu-release
[12:28] <gour> no luck with that svn repo. bzr-svn always crashes...
[12:28] <gour> oops, wrong channel
[12:29] <dholbach> thanks Riddell, thanks wgrant
[12:37] <mpt> wgrant, you said "as of today's rollout"
[12:37] <mpt> hasn't it always been like that?
[12:37] <mpt> (about the approve/decline buttons)
[12:38] <wgrant> mpt: It only started using JS in the past couple of days, AFAIK.
[12:38] <wgrant> Previously it went to another page.
[12:38] <wgrant> (see staging)
[12:39] <mpt> I'm not powerful enough to approve or decline anything :-P
[12:39] <wgrant> Ah, true.
[12:39] <mpt> but testing it locally, I seem to remember it using JS a couple of months ago, at least
[12:39] <wgrant> Well, on staging it is blue and a normal link.
[12:39] <Ng> does anyone have any sneaky scripts or other tips for mass marking Fix Committed bugs as Fix Released? (this is in an upstream project, so not something that a debian/changelog will affect)
[12:39] <wgrant> On edge, it is green and uses JS to display the two buttons underneath.
[12:40] <wgrant> bzr log may be your friend.
[12:48] <ignas> hi
[12:48] <ignas> mwhudson: are you there? ;)
[12:55] <thekorn_> Ng, maybe the first one on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Dev/python-launchpad-bugs/Examples
[13:01] <Ng> thekorn_: interesting, thanks
[13:01] <thekorn_> Ng, I just added a new one, which might me more helpfull
[13:02] <Ng> nice
[13:26] <aantn> hello
[13:26] <aantn> how can I set up a project milestone?
[13:28] <wgrant> aantn: You need to create a milestone within a release series for your project.
[13:52] <VladimirMelo> hello, anyone can tell me when intrepid translations are going to be available?
[13:53] <VladimirMelo> on rosetta
[13:55] <VladimirMelo> any rosetta developer or contributor?
[13:56] <beuno> jtv, ^
[13:57] <beuno> VladimirMelo, he's in a meeting, so it may take him a bit to answer
[13:58] <VladimirMelo> beuno: ok, thanks
[14:09] <aantn> wgrant: thanks
[15:33] <ricardokirkner> hi. I am having some issues with bzr and launchpad. were I work they filter ssh, so my only choice is https. I could download my branch via https
[15:33] <ricardokirkner> but can I push to it?
[15:33] <ricardokirkner> i tried bzr+http and bzr+https, but no success so far
[15:34] <andrea-bs> ricardokirkner: have you tried sftp?
[15:34] <beuno> ricardokirkner, you can't push via http
[15:34] <beuno> it's read only
[15:35] <ricardokirkner> sftp... what would the format be?
[15:35] <beuno> ricardokirkner, sftp://...
[15:35] <andrea-bs><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:36] <ricardokirkner> thanks
[15:36] <ricardokirkner> I'll try that now
[15:38] <ricardokirkner> mhhh. no. it's also filtered
[15:39] <ricardokirkner> so, there is no way to push unless you are using ssh/sftp, right?
[15:39] <beuno> yeap
[15:39] <beuno> because it uses ssh keys to authenticate
[15:39] <ricardokirkner> grmphf
[15:58] <rockstar> ricardokirkner, how do they filter ssh?
[15:58] <rockstar> Or do they just block it?
[16:00] <ricardokirkner> they block at firewall level
[16:51] <VladimirMelo> jtv isn't around?
[17:04] <Ursinha> andrea-bs, are you there by chance?
[17:05] <andrea-bs> Ursinha: yep
[17:05] <Ursinha> andrea-bs, i'll give the answer to your question today yet, i promise :)
[17:05] <andrea-bs> Ursinha: thanks :)
[17:05] <Ursinha> :)
[17:08] <lamalex> Can I give someone else write access to my branch in LP or do I need to start a team
[17:24] <lamalex> eh? anyone?
[17:31] <thekorn> you have to start a team
[17:33] <lamalex> bah ok
[17:35] <andrea-bs> lamalex: you can also use the merge proposals; it's not the same as giving someone else the access, but you don't have to start a new team
[17:35] <lamalex> yeah, I just made a branch for someone but I think that it was wasted effort
[17:36] <lamalex> is that something that would be worth writing up a blueprint for?
[17:38] <andrea-bs> I think it's better a bug report, even if I think that it'll be rejected, but I'm not the right person to ask to :)
[17:48] <RainCT> Is it possible to filter https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/+me to only see bugs in Ubuntu?
[17:51] <andrea-bs> RainCT: currently no, because you cannot select the project/package from the person search
[17:51] <andrea-bs> RainCT: I think there's a bug about that
[17:52] <RainCT> andrea-bs: ah, thanks
[17:53] <andrea-bs> RainCT: bug 182066
[18:22] <jkakar> Interesting, if you click on the django-support branch at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/storm/+activereviews you get to a page for which none of the [Details|Merging|Source Code] tabs are highlighted.
[18:40] <timing> Hey
[18:41] <timing> Someone asked me to open a new bug and tag this one with 'linux-2.6.27'
[18:41] <timing> but i didn't know there was a tagging system?
[18:41] <timing> and i can't find it
[18:42] <timing> so i used the binary package hint: linux-image-2.6.27-1-generic
[18:42] <timing> is that the way to go then?
[18:43] <radix> timing: there's an "edit description / tags" link on bug pages
[18:43] <radix> sorry, "Update description / tags"
[18:43] <timing> oohw
[18:43] <timing> so first post the bug, then edit the tags
[18:43] <radix> yeah, you can't do it up front
[18:44] <radix> just like most things in the bug report system (milestone, importance, etc)
[18:44] <timing> yeah
[18:44] <timing> but tags seem pretty important?
[19:11] <Ju> hello !
[19:13] <Ju> I have a question about https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/TracPlugin here is a good place ?
[20:02] <jwendell> is there a way to know how many people are subscribed to a lp mailing list?
[20:02] <jwendell> or yet: mass subscribe?
[20:04] <emgent> barry: around ?
[20:33] <barry> emgent:only kind of.  not feeling well today
[20:33] <barry> emgent: what can i help you with?
[20:35] <emgent> barry: no problem, we can talk later. :)
[20:37] <barry> emgent: ok, cool :)  i won't be around on monday (us holiday), but ping me next week okay?
[20:39] <emgent> sure np, thanks :)
[23:31] <mdke> Rinchen: around?
[23:32] <mdke> does anyone know if he is on holiday at the moment?
[23:33] <beuno> mdke, he's probably asleep
[23:34] <beuno> we've been on a sprint
[23:34] <beuno> and he's on holiday next week
[23:34] <mdke> beuno: aha, thanks
[23:34] <mdke> I'll send him an email
[23:35] <beuno> mdke, cool. If I see him in the morning, I'll tell him you're looking for him
[23:35] <mdke> beuno: cheers :)
[23:36] <beuno> mdke, :)