[16:18] <cjwatson> xnox: partman-auto-lvm> same question about partman-crypto - can I merge that?  (I'll time out at some point tomorrow and JFDI, rather than leaving the partitioner broken over my vacation)
[21:53] <xnox> cjwatson: please do....
[21:53] <xnox> cjwatson: i've just had to travel to swindon (half way to bristol) on first great western, my head is still buzzing.


[02:13] <mup> Bug #1539806 changed: [ARM64][LXD Provider][ 2.0-alpha1-0ubuntu1~16.04.1~juju1] kibana 'hook failed: "install"' <juju-core:Invalid> <kibana (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539806>
[02:26] <mup> Bug #1539806 opened: [ARM64][LXD Provider][ 2.0-alpha1-0ubuntu1~16.04.1~juju1] kibana 'hook failed: "install"' <juju-core:Invalid> <kibana (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539806>
[02:29] <mup> Bug #1539806 changed: [ARM64][LXD Provider][ 2.0-alpha1-0ubuntu1~16.04.1~juju1] kibana 'hook failed: "install"' <juju-core:Invalid> <kibana (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539806>
[03:45] <cherylj> wallyworld: I am able to recreate that leadership failure on my maas
[03:46] <cherylj> using the api-command-rename branch
[09:47] <mup> Bug #1539873 opened: debug-log non-functional with xenial bootstrap unit <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539873>
[09:50] <mup> Bug #1539873 changed: debug-log non-functional with xenial bootstrap unit <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539873>
[09:56] <mup> Bug #1539873 opened: debug-log non-functional with xenial bootstrap unit <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539873>
[09:59] <mup> Bug #1539873 changed: debug-log non-functional with xenial bootstrap unit <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539873>
[10:03] <mup> Bug #1539873 opened: debug-log non-functional with xenial bootstrap unit <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539873>
[16:39] <mup> Bug #1539873 changed: debug-log non-functional with xenial bootstrap unit <openstack> <xenial> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539873>
[16:43] <mup> Bug #1539873 opened: debug-log non-functional with xenial bootstrap unit <openstack> <xenial> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539873>
[16:52] <mup> Bug #1539873 changed: debug-log non-functional with xenial bootstrap unit <openstack> <xenial> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539873>


[00:18] <Guest22825> Hi, I have a question about the command "apt-get dist-upgrade".
[00:19] <Guest22825> If I want to stay with the exact the same kernel number that come with the 14.04.4
[00:19] <pilne> unless it is studio specific i might be able to help
[00:19] <Guest22825> I will never use such command correct?
[00:20] <pilne> well dist-upgrade also updates packages that require changes/removal of other packages, not just the kernel
[00:21] <pilne> this might be a better way to manage locking the kernel version, but might also restrict you to using synaptic for package management: http://askubuntu.com/questions/3379/is-there-a-way-to-disable-kernel-updates
[00:22] <Guest22825> I have just installed 14.04.4 yesterday, and right now my kernel number is 4.2, and I don't know how to avoid it :)
[00:22] <pilne> not sure why you would?
[00:23] <Guest22825> Here is my situation, I try my best not to use any ppa.
[00:24] <Guest22825> But there is this super important ppa that I added in order to install the most recent flashplayer from google.
[00:24] <pilne> ok
[00:26] <Guest22825> That ppa is "http://ppa.launchpad.net/nilarimogard/webupd8/ubuntu".
[00:27] <Guest22825> Here is the sequece of my command.
[00:27] <Guest22825> "sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer"
[00:27] <derp_commander> coming to you from the world's latest installation of Ubuntu Studio :-)
[00:27] <Guest22825> "sudo apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin"
[00:27] <Guest22825> "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8"
[00:28] <Guest22825> "sudo apt-get update"
[00:28] <Guest22825> "sudo apt-get install freshplayerplugin"
[00:28] <derp_commander> I've heard it's better aptitude as an end user, because aptitude does conflict resolution
[00:28] <Guest22825> "sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree"
[00:28] <derp_commander> apt-get is the low-level system command
[00:28] <Guest22825> "sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install"
[00:29] <derp_commander> *better to use aptitude
[00:29] <Guest22825> Can you explain what aptitude is?
[00:30] <pilne> if i'm not mistaken, apt has been "updated" to be as good as aptitude in the recent past
[00:31] <pilne> i don't even see pepperflash in that repository
[00:31] <derp_commander> pilne: the apt command is a little more user-friendly than aptitude, but like *Nix in general, it's still very selective of who its friends are ;-P
[00:32] <pilne> hah, so very true
[00:33] <pilne> now that i've finally gotten comfortable with virtualenv for python, and stack for haskell, i'm not quite sure i'm a programmer at heart (i'm glad it is just a hobby) but i constantly have drum patterns and bass lines going through my head, so... why not try this stuff out (:
[00:34] <pilne> i see a "freshplayerplugin"
[00:35] <derp_commander> apt/apt-get versus aptitude is somewhat of a personal preference, and aptitude no longer comes installed by default on ubuntu, but I tend to prefer it (even if it's more to type :-P)
[00:35] <Guest22825> I see
[00:35] <pilne> i do use both, i usually use aptitude if apt is giving me the runaround
[00:35] <pilne> but i tend to go for apt first
[00:36] <pilne> and frig i need a new mouse.... even compressed air has not remedied my dying left mouse button >.<
[00:38] <pilne> and really, i'm not a fan of pinning a kernel version... so i've never really researched it
[00:38] <Guest22825> Now, beside the commands I gave you. I ended it with "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[00:39] <Guest22825> I should not end my command with "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" right?
[00:39] <pilne> i'm really not sure why you wouldn't exactly?
[00:40] <Guest22825> Because of "dist-upgrade", too many update came with it.
[00:41] <Guest22825> I think that is how I got my kernel number updated.
[00:42] <pilne> unless the updates "break" something, why would it be too many? if you want to just get the updates that are packages already installed without massive changes, just do sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:42] <Guest22825> I shouldn't because, I should be able to install my flash player without dist-upgrade.
[00:43] <pilne> if the flash player installed, there is no need to run upgrade or dist-upgrade to use it afaik
[00:44] <pilne> also, if that ppa has anything newer of what you have installed, it will use those to update your local copies by default
[00:45] <Guest22825> I always think I need to run three command everyday "sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get upgrade", and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
[00:46] <Guest22825> How do I know if I need those newer ones or not?
[00:46] <pilne> i run the first two, and only run dist-upgrade if i get the "packages have been held back" message. In general newer software is better software unless you are living on the bleeding edge (IMHO).
[00:47] <Guest22825> What if I never want the newer ones?
[00:47] <pilne> why on earth wouldn't you want potential bugfixes and improvements???
[00:47] <Guest22825> Because I am afraid it would break something else.
[00:48] <Guest22825> I see. I might be able to trust what might come with this ppa, then?
[00:49] <Guest22825> I always wonder what this ppa may do....
[00:49] <pilne> i've never used that one, but i have used webupd8 stuff in general without any issues. ppa's are always a bit of a risk due to the fact they are community maintained and not as rigorously tested as "cannon" repos.
[00:50] <Guest22825> I see.
[00:54] <Guest22825> One more question about kernel update. If 14.04.4 comes with kernel 3.19, why the os would update the kernel to 4.2 later?
[00:56] <Guest22825> I think I should lock my os. By looking at the link you gave, I can lock my kernel :)
[00:56] <Guest22825> Should I lock anything else from update, however?
[00:57] <krytarik> !hwe | Guest22825
[01:00] <Guest22825> I see.
[01:01] <Guest22825> I saw Ubuntu Studio 14.04.4, which was released yesterday, and I keep thinking it is not ready for kernel 4.2
[01:01] <Guest22825> Because it came with kernel 3.19.
[01:01] <Guest22825> Now, I learn something.
[01:01] <Guest22825> Thank you.
[01:02] <Guest22825> Now, one more question, please.
[01:03] <Guest22825> I heard from someone over the internet, that he/she would lock his/her kernel.
[01:03] <Guest22825> Because he/she thinks the OS would be more stable.
[01:04] <Guest22825> What else that person may lock?
[01:04] <Guest22825> I also heard that he/she would use super minimum ppa.
[01:12] <sakrecoer_> Guest22825: if by "locking" you mean "securing", you should probably ask in #ubuntu.
[01:19] <sakrecoer_> The percs of having a production-machine _off-line_ : you don't need security updates. i know 2stations are not given to all, but sometimes we forget internet still has an offplugg. :)
[01:23] <Guest22825> I see.
[01:24] <Guest22825> Thank you.
[01:24] <Guest22825> See you.
[04:10] <derp_commander> reporting to you LIVE from the tallest building in Tokyo :-P


[07:37] <ppisati> moin
[08:39] <psino> Is there any fix equivalent to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=914737 in the pipeline (or even already implemented?) for ubuntu?
[08:39] <ubot2> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 914737 in kernel "Fedora 18 on EC2 kernel panic due to cgroups" [Unspecified,On_qa]
[08:55] <smb> psino, When I look at the discussion on Xen-devel about the resulting patch it seems that at least the initial version got turned down. So right now that would mean no. Until there is an upstream fix for it and marked for stable.
[08:59] <apw> one assumes the 'final' version once available will make it to us via that route
[09:00] <smb> apw, Probably needs a reminder as that discussion was about a month ago...
[09:00] <apw> smb, yeah probabally ... have fun :)
[09:03] <psino> hmm. I heard there were at least one other patch proposed as a fix. if I recall correctly, it was turned down at least partly because it caused a minor performance regression on bare metal, but maybe other things as well.
[09:03] <psino> so I assume if I'm being hit pretty badly by that bug right now, the suggested route is to build my own kernel with that patch or a similar one and see if it works for me until an official version comes out?
[09:06] <smb> psino, Or even better try to make it working mostly with upstream changes and as soon as all parts are there make sure they go to upstream-stable. Probably also create a new lp bug for it since the one that is referenced in the redhat bugzilla seems closeed
[09:07]  * smb just pinged Konrad as well to find out in parallel
[14:12] <smb> psino, Are you still around?
[14:21] <psino> smb: yes, on and off :)
[14:23] <smb> psino, It sounds like upstream is waiting on someone to confirm that two patches will solve the issue you asked about. So I think either if you open a launchpad bug report and let me know, I could provide test kernels and we then can let them know. Or you could build your own and tell them directly
[14:25] <psino> where do I find the two patches? its probably better if it can be fixed upstream, as it will benefit more people. does it take long from patches being applied upstream to new official ubuntu kernel builds are available?
[14:27] <smb> psino, Oh, the feedback would go upstream in both cases. The main thread about it starts at: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/2/28/568 one reply mentions the other part
[14:29] <smb> After it goes upstream (with cc stable) it depends a bit. Our kernels are updated in about a three weekly cycle.
[14:30] <psino> smb: ok, I'll have a look at the thread when I get some free time. thanks for your help so far :)
[14:30] <smb> psino, np :)
[16:23] <infinity> apw: Yo, vars.generic is uncleverly x86-specific.  Is there any point to abstracting to the point where one loses flexibility?
[17:09] <apw> infinity, sorry ?
[17:10] <apw> infinity, oh i see if we wanted to have an arm generic as well you mean
[17:10] <infinity> apw: Yeah.
[17:10] <infinity> apw: I think I've sort of sorted it with Paolo.
[17:11] <infinity> apw: By arch-specifying all those bootloader deps.
[17:11] <infinity> (ie: grub [i386 amd64 x32], flash-kernel [armhf arm64])
[17:11] <infinity> Untested, but if that's being substituted into a master control file, then parsed by dpkg-gencontrol at build time, it should DTRT.
[17:11] <apw> yeah i guess we have no choice other than to do that
[17:12] <apw> as (i assume) we cannot have two Package: linux-image-generic stanzas with different arches
[17:12] <infinity> Definitely not.
[17:13] <apw> infinity, vile, but ...
[17:14] <infinity> Well, that's how debian/control and dpkg-gencontrol work.  Not all THAT vile, except that it sort of defeats the purpose of the vars.foo abstraction. :P
[17:14] <infinity> Maybe that would be saner if it was extended to var.foo.$arch and pulled the right one based on DEB_HOST_ARCH
[17:14] <infinity> Then the descriptions could actually change and such.
[17:15] <apw> yeah that would be the other way, but then the control on the source would be 'wronger' than it is now
[17:15] <apw> not that it is very right
[17:15] <apw> right now
[17:15] <infinity> Yeah, it's pretty wrong regardless.
[17:47] <jbaron> hi - how do i figure out the dependency of a specific kernel on the linux-firmware package?
[17:47] <jpds> jbaron: $ apt-cache rdepends linux-firmware
[17:59] <jbaron> hmmm...there no dependency listed there on linux-generic
[18:00] <jbaron> i think its really the other way around that I'm looking
[18:00] <jbaron> for
[18:00] <jbaron> i can do:
[18:00] <jbaron> s linux-generic
[18:00] <jbaron> linux-generic
[18:00] <jbaron>   Depends: linux-image-generic
[18:00] <jbaron> sorry:
[18:00] <jbaron> $ apt-cache depends linux-generic
[18:00] <jbaron> linux-generic
[18:00] <jbaron>   Depends: linux-image-generic
[18:00] <jbaron> $ apt-cache depends linux-image-generic
[18:00] <jbaron> linux-image-generic
[18:00] <jbaron>   Depends: linux-image-2.6.32-45-generic
[18:00] <jbaron>   Depends: linux-firmware
[18:01] <jbaron> and i think see that linux-generic depends on 'linux-firmware'
[18:01] <jbaron> but i don't see a specific version ?
[18:01] <jpds> jbaron: Does it need a specific version?
[18:02] <jbaron> i would think so
[18:02] <jbaron> maybe not - i'm not sure
[18:02] <jbaron> if the drivers update in the kernel - they'll need specific firmware versions
[18:22] <infinity> jbaron: We don't force versions, no.
[18:22] <infinity> jbaron: firmware is more tightly coupled with hardware than drivers.
[18:22] <infinity> jbaron: Is there a specific problem you're trying to solve here, or just a curiosity?
[18:23] <jbaron> yeah - i'm trying to re-build the ubuntu kernel out of the git tree
[18:23] <jbaron> and i'm trying to figure out which firmware to include
[18:24] <jbaron> since the firmware is dropped from the git tree
[18:24] <infinity> apt-get install linux-firmware?
[18:24] <infinity> Like, I'm not sure what you mean here. :P
[18:24] <jbaron> right - but i want to make sure it matches up with the kernel I'm building
[18:24] <infinity> They don't "match".
[18:24] <jbaron> the drivers do request specific firmware files
[18:25] <infinity> If you want the newest, get the linux-firmware from raring.
[18:25] <jbaron> request_firmware()
[18:25] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/1.104
[18:26] <infinity> It's maintained outside the kernel tree.
[18:27] <jbaron> if you look at the request_firmware() call in the kernel it asks for specific firmware files:
[18:28] <jbaron> ie "BCM2033-FW.bin"
[18:28] <jbaron> so maybe the linux-firmware pkg for a release keeps all the old ones ?
[18:28] <jbaron> (in the case the driver is updated)
[18:29] <infinity> Yes, I'm aware of what request_firmware does.  I'm saying that there is no "matching" firmware for any specific kernel.  We ship the latest, according to what we need, and what bugs get filed to include new things.
[18:30] <infinity> Some from linux-firmware.git, some from elsewhere occasionally.
[18:30] <bjf> jbaron, which kernel tree are you building ?
[18:32] <jbaron> quantal - I guess if i include all the firmware from linux-firmare i'll be safe
[18:32] <bjf> jbaron, do you have quantal installed and you are just building your own quantal kernel?
[18:33] <jbaron> yes
[18:33] <bjf> jbaron, if so, you probably don't need to worry about firmware, build your kernel and try running it
[18:33] <bjf> jbaron, the worse that can happen is that not everything works and you just boot up the previous kernel via grub
[18:34] <jbaron> ok, thanks
[18:34] <infinity> jbaron: I'm still not sure why you think you need to "include" firmware at all?
[18:35] <infinity> jbaron: If you're on quantal and you have linux-firmware installed, you have the firmware.  You don't need it AGAIN in your kernel build.
[18:38] <bjf> jbaron, if you don't mind me asking, why are you building your own kernel? just for the experience or for a particular issue?
[18:39] <jbaron> ok, thanks guys, I was just trying to better understand how firmware updates work
[19:41] <bryce> jsalisbury, #1156077 has a kernel patch from upstream that needs tested/integrated
[19:48] <apw> bug #1156077
[19:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1156077 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "Black screen when booting after a fresh install on chromebook" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156077
[19:51] <jsalisbury> bryce, ack


[05:28] <imlxh> Hey. Complete linux noob here running into problems with JACK.
[05:28] <imlxh> I...I literally know NOTHING about linux. Just giving you fair warning.
[05:28]  * sSs recommends #opensourcemusicians or #jack
[05:29] <imlxh> Ah, okay
[05:29] <imlxh> Thank you
[05:29] <sSs> here is good too but i know nothing either
[12:48] <Akshayr> i am new to ubuntu studio
[12:48] <Akshayr> hw and wer shld i start
[12:49] <cfhowlett> Akshayr, create something cool!
[12:49] <cfhowlett> Akshayr, edit a photo with gimp, make a quick movie with openshot ...
[12:54] <zequence> Akshayr: We have a community doc page with some information. http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio
[12:55] <zequence> The user guide is not even started. I should remove that link from the header..
[12:56] <cfhowlett> zequence, you know what I miss?  Back when I first 'buntu'd there was a tutorial to create the ubuntu logo in gimp.  sadly, gone now ...  easy, quick project though
[12:59] <zequence> cfhowlett: Where did you originally find it?
[13:00] <zequence> I think that sort of docs can be linked to in smart ways
[13:00] <zequence> Surely there are tons of resources on multiple other sites
[13:00] <zequence> Would be good for us to have our wikis and homepage be a good center point for that kind of stuff
[13:01] <cfhowlett> zequence, 7.04 iirc ... seem to recall it was a url but it might have been included in the /documents ...
[13:03] <cfhowlett> zequence, perhaps an introductory project of sorts for the major media:  How to make a short movie with OpenShot, How to edit a picture with Gimp sort of thing might be a welcome addition.  Fedora Design has a nice url  http://linuxgrrl.com/learn/Introduction_To_Inkscape
[13:04] <zequence> cfhowlett: I would greatly appreciate if you could add some links to this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Resources
[13:05] <zequence> It's only started, really. And is not meant as the final product, so to speak. We could just as easily put a page on our main site with this sort of stuff
[13:06] <cfhowlett> zequence, bookmarked.  Will do.
[13:24] <zequence> cfhowlett: And if you feel like giving us feedback on anything, or even put some time on contributing either writing docs, doing testing, or developing (doesn't nessecarily mean coding, could mean just selecting pre-installed packages and making sure they have sane default settings), then don't feel a stranger. We hang out a lot at #ubuntustudio-devel
[13:25] <cfhowlett> Thanks.  I'll definitely contribute in some manner.
[13:26] <smartboyhw> cfhowlett, many thanks to you:)
[16:14] <famax8> hi anyone
[16:37] <famax8_> !ubuntu
[16:38] <famax8_> !ubuntuforums
[19:20] <holstein> famax8_: o/
[19:21] <famax8_> wat?
[19:21] <holstein> hello
[20:03] <contrapunctus> Hey, what's up, holstein? :)
[20:03] <holstein> not much... and you?
[20:05] <contrapunctus> working on something in Pd again...always drives me nuts :))
[20:05] <holstein> yeah.. its way over my head
[20:12] <contrapunctus> Well, I'm faring better than usual...for now xD
[20:12] <contrapunctus> Say, you a UbSt dev?
[20:20] <holstein> contrapunctus: well, im a developing contributor
[20:20] <holstein> i dont do any "heavy lifting"
[20:20] <contrapunctus> o.o
[20:27] <contrapunctus> Sounds like you're needed in #ubuntu, holstein :)


[06:14] <JackFrost> schopin: Not sure it's on your radar, but libtorrent-rasterbar is fixed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtorrent-rasterbar/1.2.14-1.1
[09:39] <schopin> JackFrost: that'll teach me not to autolaunch IRC on login. I've just been looking into the version that's stuck in Debian NEW, but it seems I don't have to anymore :). Thanks for the heads up!
[09:40] <JackFrost> I mean I'm sure that'd be nicer, but this'll do. :P
[09:42] <RikMills> also means I could sync new qbittorent :D
[09:47] <schopin> qbittorrent is exactly the reason why I was keeping an eye on the situation :D
[16:03] <rbasak> !dmb-ping
[16:04] <teward> rbasak: wont be able to make it - the log4j stuff is a Red Alert matter at FT job and i'm neck deep in vuln scanning and results of them atm for hunting
[17:47] <juliank> grub 2.06 in jammy-proposed should now boot correctly on BIOS and UEFI x86 machines
[17:48] <juliank> More testing welcome, but  this will probably land in release pocket tomorrow
[17:48] <juliank> It turned out we do not have support for secure boot on arm64, see bug 1954683
[17:49] <juliank> (Even in 2.04, you could not upgrade grub or install new kernels on a secure boot ARM machine, as the grub-check-signatures check fails to validate the kernels and aborts the install)
[17:49] <juliank> (in 2.06, grub also cannot boot them anymore in secure boot, as it verifies before decompression)
[17:49] <juliank> (I plan to address those tomorrow)
[17:51] <juliank> I should try to boot the autopkgtest images in the cloud and reboot them too before removing block-proposed


[08:03] <Embryonic> ALLO
[08:04] <Embryonic> Anyone here?
[08:04] <Embryonic> Guess not, Ok so i'll leave a message and you can get back to me
[08:06] <Embryonic> I went to install Ubuntu Studio this morning, followed the on screen instructions, Guided install using the Entire disk, I selected my secondary drive, which is 80Gigs, It wiped it clean, and installed there, but along the way for some reason it also wiped my 250 Gig Windows drive. I'm not really happy seeing as I lost about 5000 songs, and at the very least 500 pictures from my wedding. Any idea on what I can do to actually in
[08:06] <Embryonic> stall Studio without worrying about if its going to destroy my primary drive again?
[08:10] <Embryonic> please Email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I'm trying to recover my stuff, got most of my pictures back thank god for Picasa
[20:12] <jay_> hey all, considering upgrading from ubuntu 10.04 to ubuntu studio, but it looks like studio is at 9.10 status still, is this an issue?
[20:15] <l0xin> studio is on 10.04 as well. 10.10 due this coming week I believe
[20:15] <jay_> ah ok, the wiki must be behind
[20:16] <l0xin> yeah, I think it's released at pretty much the same time as standard Ubuntu is
[20:16] <jay_> essentially studio is just more packages/apps?
[20:16] <jay_> same underlyings?
[20:17] <l0xin> yeah
[20:17] <jay_> ok, thanks- I have issues with my medion tablet, wondering if studio would remedy this
[20:18] <l0xin> extra packages grouped into specialist areas (graphics / video / sound)
[20:18] <jay_> I'll try 10.10 first I think
[20:22] <l0xin> probably for that best.


[10:58] <TheMuso> NCommander: is it just me, or is the link to the launchpad blueprint from your ports discussion page on the wiki broken?
[10:59] <NCommander> TheMuso, the fact that you can make it to the wiki is better than me ATM
[11:05] <TheMuso> NCommander: eh ok.
[11:05] <TheMuso> s/eh/heh/
[11:06] <NCommander> TheMuso, when is that session, I don't see it on the summit page
[11:14] <TheMuso> NCommander: Its later in the week, I'd have to check again.
[11:14] <NCommander> yeah, the internet here just has some serious issues
[11:16] <TheMuso> Its fine here. I am sitting out in the lobby and I am browsing etc just fine.
[11:16] <TheMuso> Although, I will need power very soon.
[11:17] <TheMuso> NCommander: 15:10 on Wednesday
[11:17] <TheMuso> NCommander: Its under the server track.
[11:18] <NCommander> TheMuso, ah
[19:01] <jbailey> fabbione, There?
[20:59] <fabbione> jbailey: yeah now
[20:59] <fabbione> what's up?
[20:59] <jbailey> fabbione, HEya
[20:59] <jbailey> fabbione, Can you please send chanserv away?
[21:00] <fabbione> eh.. i wish i remember how
[21:00] <jbailey> I think there's a steady enough set of people here that we don't need the babysitter, and having it here means that xchat sends answers to chanserv commands to the channel instead of to me directly.
[21:00] <jbailey>  /msg chanserv set #ubuntu-ports guard off
[21:00] <fabbione> let me figure it out a sec
[21:01] <jbailey> Thanks.
[21:01] <fabbione> there
[21:01] <fabbione> no worries :)
[21:01] <jbailey> How's things?
[21:01] <fabbione> pretty good
[21:01] <fabbione> going throug the painfull process of learning autoconf/make/libtool & friends
[21:01] <jbailey> join #autotools =)
[21:02] <fabbione> that's ok.. Jim Meyering hangs on #linux-cluster ;)
[21:02] <jbailey> Hah, awesome. =)
[21:02] <fabbione> yeah he is a really good guy :)
[21:02] <jbailey> There's 4 or 5 of us in #autotools if you can't find him, though.
[21:03] <fabbione> eheh that's o
[21:03] <fabbione> k
[21:03] <fabbione> your employer is pretty helpful on this matter
[21:03] <jbailey> It's true ;)
[21:03] <fabbione> so far I only had very small things to get fixed
[21:03] <fabbione> and he did mostly cleanup or improvements
[21:05] <jbailey> meyering probably doesn't know about #autotools
[21:05] <jbailey> we only made it a few months ago.
[21:05] <jbailey> So that I could help an IBM guy with some stuff and not polute #glibc.
[21:05] <fabbione> ehehe
[21:05] <jbailey> But it gathered some people fairly quickly.
[21:06] <fabbione> ehehe nice


[00:37] <homebrewcider> hey there using Xubuntu, and Krusader, trying to copy files to server, can view files okay in server, but when copying get error message that failed to write file to xxx
[00:39] <ryguy> give it a little while, once someone notices someone asked a question they'll start helpin ya
[00:39] <ryguy> I'd help if I knew =/
[00:39] <ryguy> did you try opening krusader as root then copying them?
[00:40] <homebrewcider> first lot worked okay, now nothing
[00:40] <homebrewcider> that's what is confusing me
[00:41] <ryguy> try running this command `sudo cp FILE_HERE DESTINATION_HERE`
[00:41] <homebrewcider> in krusader?
[00:41] <ryguy> if it works as root it means your permissions have been messed up
[00:42] <ryguy> huh? in the terminal
[00:46] <jim___> .
[00:46] <ryguy> .?
[00:47] <ryguy> homebreacider: you come up with anything?
[00:48] <jim___> Hi. I'm a noob and just installed 8.04.1 on a thinkpad t30 p4 2.2 512mb, and it takes exactly 4 minutes to boot
[00:48] <jim___> Ideas?
[00:49] <ryguy> whats your computer specs?
[00:49] <jim___> P4 2.2ghz 512mb
[00:50] <jim___> What else do you need to know?
[00:50] <homebrewcider> not yet
[00:51] <homebrewcider> not thinking straight
[00:52] <ryguy> when you boot, does it say anything about "Booting from network" or anything like that? My computer tries to do that and I cant set it not to in the IOS so I have to press ESC everytime
[00:52] <ryguy> and that saves me at least 4~5 minutes
[00:53] <ryguy> where does it take long
[00:53] <jim___> I've never seen a dialogue, it just hangs when the progress bar is at about 1/4
[00:53] <jim___> Is there a way to boot it verbose so I can see what it's doing?
[00:54] <ryguy> im I dunno, lemme google around real quick =p
[00:54] <jim___> I tried some of that and this was one of the first hits :p
[00:54] <homebrewcider> as far as copying from one comp to another via command line "sudo cp (file on local computer) (location on remote computer where I want to copy to?)"
[00:55] <ryguy> jim___: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=499374
[00:55] <jim___> Thx
[00:55] <ryguy> homebrewcider oh I see what you're trying to do
[00:56] <ryguy> are you logged in as the same user as the last time it worked?
[00:56] <homebrewcider> yes, it finished copying one lot and wouldn't do the same thing again
[00:56] <homebrewcider> that was yesterday
[00:56] <homebrewcider> went to bed, trying again todfay
[00:56] <ryguy> jim then see what it hangs on, see if its unnecessary then turn it off in "Startup Applications"
[00:57] <ryguy> homebrew: you didnt reboot or anything?
[00:57] <homebrewcider> not at the time , no
[00:57] <ryguy> homebrew: what version of xubuntu are you on?
[00:57] <homebrewcider> 9.04
[00:58] <ryguy> did you try doing it in thundar?
[00:58] <homebrewcider> haven't got server showing up in thunar
[00:58] <ryguy> I recently switched to regular ubuntu, xubuntu was giving me too many problems
[01:03] <ryguy> could you send me a snapshot of whats going on here?
[01:03] <tehC0unt> hey ryguy
[01:04] <homebrewcider> can you give me a cli command to check permissions onthe server box? I'm logged in now via putty
[01:05] <ryguy> err.. not sure
[01:19] <WantsXubuntu> got my new xubuntu disc, on ubuntu now, anyone want to help me put in my puter
[01:19] <WantsXubuntu> dont want to mess up my clean ubu OS though
[01:23] <knome> so what do you want to do exactly?
[01:23] <knome> install xubuntu and remove ubuntu? have both?
[01:27] <WantsXubuntu> on ubuntu now bought xubuntu disc also
[01:27] <jim___> Bought?
[01:27] <knome> yes, what do you want to do?
[01:27] <WantsXubuntu> want a partition for xubu with opera 10 turbo form more speed
[01:28]  * jim___ starts selling xubuntu discs
[01:28] <knome> jim___, ondisc.com "sells" xubuntu discs for the price of *shipping*
[01:28] <WantsXubuntu> will leave this part for ubuntu with FF for all the bloated software
[01:28] <knome> jim___, it's actually illegal to ask more than burning/material/shipping costs.
[01:28] <ryguy> I bought two xubuntu cds as well =p
[01:29] <knome> WantsXubuntu, i'm not sure if you should create a new partition. just install package xubuntu-desktop (you don't actually even need the cd) and you can use xubuntu - just select xfce session from the gdm login screen.
[01:29] <ryguy> yeah "sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop"
[01:29] <knome> ryguy, we're probably going to update the artwork for the cd soon after karmic so you might have to buy a few more ;)
[01:30] <ryguy> I'm prolly gonna, if xubuntu decides to keep up with its bugs =/ I had alot of problems
[01:30] <ryguy> I got them for repairing computers and running on super slow computers
[01:30] <knome> ryguy, i hope they got fixed. we do everything we can.
[01:31] <ryguy> I'd help if I knew C
[01:31] <ryguy> =/ I'm a ruby guy
[01:31] <ryguy> anyways WantsXubuntu: run that command then...
[01:31] <ryguy> ah
[01:31] <ryguy> nvm
[01:31] <knome> there's also need for triaging bugs
[01:31] <ryguy> Well alot of the bugs I encountered were specific to xubuntu, but came from third party apps
[01:31] <ryguy> like conky
[01:32] <knome> conky? what's that :)
[01:32] <ryguy> I only encountered the problem on xubuntu
[01:32] <ryguy> =O
[01:32] <ryguy> its..amazing
[01:32] <ryguy> hold on lemme get you a screenie
[01:33] <Balsaq> laptop battery dies was just heare as WantsXubuntu its me
[01:33] <ryguy> http://linuxowns.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/conky.png
[01:33] <knome> ryguy, right :)
[01:34] <ryguy> It runs on your desktop and updates at a set interval, completely customizable
[01:34] <ryguy> and awesome
[01:34] <knome> Balsaq, my comment:: i'm not sure if you should create a new partition. just install package xubuntu-desktop (you don't actually even need the cd) and you can use xubuntu - just select xfce session from the gdm login screen.
[01:34] <ryguy> anyways, Balsaq: open terminal and type "sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop"
[01:34] <knome> ryguy, i see it can be the reason some people might want to migrate to linux
[01:34] <ryguy> then when its done, logout and goto sessions and click Xubuntu
[01:35] <knome> ryguy, i want (need) a clearest possible desktop though
[01:35] <Balsaq> dont want the desktop? want the speed of the OS or is it not faster than ubu?
[01:35] <ryguy> balsaq, no we're talking about an application.
[01:35] <ryguy> xubuntu just uses less memory
[01:35] <knome> Balsaq, the reason why xubuntu is faster is because of it's desktop environment etc., and xubuntu-desktop installs those packages for you
[01:36] <ryguy> cause of the window manager is xfce
[01:36] <Balsaq> my impression was xub is like ubu with less stuff in too make it faster is that right?
[01:36] <ryguy> different applicatiolns
[01:36] <knome> Balsaq, no, not really.
[01:36] <ryguy> with smaller memory footprints
[01:36] <Balsaq> you say if i change my destop it make it faster
[01:37] <Balsaq> so i thought,,,hmmm ubub is runnin good now, lets have some fun, put xubub on it own partition and test them side by side
[01:37] <ryguy> isnt it a live disk?
[01:37] <ryguy> just throw in in there and run the live version and see if you like it
[01:37] <Balsaq> i have 10g HD still have 3.5 left over
[01:38] <ryguy> 10g..? whats your system specs?
[01:38] <Balsaq> i have it on the dosk yes boughtit
[01:38] <Balsaq> 400mgz dell dim xps r400 675sdram 10g hd 8mb ati
[01:38] <Balsaq> 768sdram i meant
[01:39] <ryguy> yikes
[01:39] <Balsaq> old but runs ubu well
[01:39] <Balsaq> want more speed but dont want to messup the ubu
[01:40] <ryguy> yeah, just open up the terminal
[01:40] <Balsaq> was slow then today put a new flatscreen on her and now is reallly fast once i get on the net?
[01:40] <ryguy> type "sudo aptitude intsall xubuntu-desktop" (without the quotes)
[01:40] <ryguy> bah
[01:40] <ryguy> "sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop"
[01:40] <Balsaq> dont know anyhting bout runnin apps/
[01:41] <ryguy> okay, listen
[01:41] <ryguy> follow me step by step now
[01:41] <ryguy> goto Applications > Accessories > Terminal
[01:41] <Balsaq> and want to keep my ubub desk as is want al clean partition install of xubu
[01:41] <ryguy> no listen you dont need to do that
[01:42] <ryguy> you'll still have all your applications and everything
[01:42] <Balsaq> yeah but if i do i will feel like i havent touched my ubu...i am  afakin puter d*mbas*
[01:42] <Balsaq> freakin puter d*mmy here
[01:42] <ryguy> lol alright
[01:42] <ryguy> its okay
[01:42] <Balsaq> now you see...
[01:42] <ryguy> you want ubuntu, but faster right?
[01:42] <Balsaq> very superstuious
[01:43] <ryguy> so you want to install xubuntu which is based on ubuntu only looks different and is faster
[01:43] <Balsaq> gut ubub in here flippin perfect will never risk it
[01:43] <elninja> What's ubub?
[01:43] <Balsaq> well i thought xubu had a lot less in it and ran al ot faster and would match it with opera 10 turbo
[01:43] <Balsaq> ubuntu
[01:43] <Balsaq> is ubu poor typing skills
[01:43] <elninja> oh
[01:43] <ryguy> it doesnt have less
[01:44] <ryguy> it has applications that do the same thing as the applications you currently have only they run faster
[01:44] <Balsaq> try to answer fst...and a couple coors
[01:44] <Balsaq> like to keep everything separate
[01:44] <ryguy> then get a separate computer -_-
[01:45] <Balsaq> ubub with ff over here...xubu with opera over her
[01:45] <Balsaq> well now that you mention it i have another old dell business puter on the way as we speak
[01:45] <knome> Balsaq, there's really just no sense in that.
[01:45] <Balsaq> only 4 years old or so
[01:45] <ryguy> i know ut thats what he wants..
[01:46] <ryguy> alright then pop in the disk, then when the setup comes to the partition manager, choose the option to "Create partition in remaining space" or something along those lines
[01:46] <knome> Balsaq, xubuntu does not run any slower if you install with ubuntu. also, it doesn't "touch" your ubuntu any way. and if it does, you can remove it.
[01:46] <Balsaq> wiil not mess with this set up unless separate partition till i have a flippin clue
[01:46] <knome> okay...
[01:46] <Balsaq> i get it done but once everything works i get reeeaaalllyyy friggin touchy
[01:47] <Balsaq> the wholem kill w98 ubuntu install took 6 hours
[01:47] <Balsaq> then took 3 hours when i took 9.04
[01:47]  * ryguy facepalms
[01:48] <Balsaq> so i guess we'll throw it on the business puter i got comin in then...wil it run faster..sound like you all think its just the same
[01:49] <ryguy> what? thats exactly the opposite of what we've been saying..
[01:49] <Balsaq> well you guy donwant to help partiton the xubu in here right?
[01:49] <ryguy> xUBUNTU is UBUNTU running Xfce
[01:50] <ryguy> x/UBUNTU/ is /UBUNTU/ running /X/fce
[01:50] <Balsaq> o
 alright then pop in the disk, then when the setup comes to the partition manager, choose the option to "Create partition in remaining space" or something along those lines
[01:51] <Balsaq> will it "mingle" with my ubu?
[01:51] <ryguy> how could it if its on another partition
[01:52] <Balsaq> so that partition offering is unascapable....wil happen no matter what
[01:53] <ryguy> I have no idea what you mean, or what you want. you could easily do this without making a new partition
[02:00] <Balsaq> i love clean install, i have upgrades or desktos that sort of mold in...if i choose...can i boot xubuntu-as aclean install even though i have ubuntu in here now, and not mess up the ubuntu, but actually end up with 2 partition, (1)ubuntu with FF (2.) xubuntu with opera...and actually do all this with ever risking my perfect clean ubuntu install? if there is any chance an idiot computer dikwad like me can mess that up i will put i
 alright then pop in the disk, then when the setup comes to the partition manager, choose the option to "Create partition in remaining space" or something along those lines
[02:05] <Balsaq> ok now, i  have 10g hard drive, 3.5 is gone, wha does xubu take up?
[02:06] <ryguy> umm 1 second
[02:06] <Balsaq> just so you know i tried this with my new puppy disc earlier and the guy in there couldnt get it done...
[02:07] <Balsaq> when it was supposed to boot puppy it sounded like a boot and then came right back to my ubuntu log inscren every time
[02:08] <ryguy> did you press ESC to get into grub?
[02:08] <Balsaq> i still have a bruise on my forehad from beating it on the wall as i tried over and over to poung it into the dell
[02:08] <ryguy> lol
[02:09] <ryguy> well this guy at a forum said: I've put Xubuntu on a 233Mhz/128Mb/2Gb
[02:09] <Balsaq> no the esc thing happened so fast i didnt have time and didnt kn0w enought to risk a fast move like that
[02:09] <Balsaq> but i saw that blinkin escape line now that you mentioned it
[02:09] <ryguy> lol you really are new to computers in general wrnt ya?
[02:09] <Legendre> howdy
[02:09] <ryguy> you just tap esc a bunch of times when you turn on the computer
[02:10] <ryguy> howdy thar
[02:10] <Legendre> So phase1 of the Edgy-2-Jaunty upgrade went reasonably well today
[02:10] <Legendre> but I've run into some oddities.. mostly with adding new users
[02:11] <ryguy> what? you realize that karmic is comming out in less than a month right
[02:11] <Legendre> for instance, when I call up the users/groups applet, it never asks for a password, and hence I can't add users or make any other changes.
[02:11] <Balsaq> but is xubu so close to ubu that it really is a non isuues or is it faster
[02:12] <Legendre> ryguy: this was my oppy' to get the work done, while the system was out of use for a week
[02:12] <Legendre> I'll load up II when it's available..
[02:12] <Legendre> err, KK
[02:13] <ryguy> oh my god balsaq. listen to me for the hundrenth time. x/UBUNTU/ is /UBUNTU/ running /X/fce. It has the same program types (text editor, music player, video player) that do the ssame things but just run faster
[02:13] <ryguy> its still UBUNTU
[02:13] <Legendre> so is this a known issue with JJ?
[02:14] <Legendre> yeah Balsaq, listen to ryguy.. same OS, different default desktop
[02:14] <Legendre> and trimmed to suit that desktop. Otherwise, all functionality remains or is available
[02:14] <ryguy> are you root when you try to make the changes?
[02:14] <Balsaq> so does it come in with FF on it
[02:14] <Legendre> yes
[02:15] <Legendre> Firefox is std.
[02:15] <ryguy> but you can uninstall it and install opera if you want
[02:15] <Balsaq> can i dump ff free up space and throw opera in ther
[02:15] <ryguy> "sudo aptitude purge firefox"
[02:15] <Balsaq> ok my screen doesnt always roll up?
[02:15] <knome> Balsaq, yes you can, but if you run a shared installation, firefox will also disappear from ubuntu.
[02:15] <Legendre> ryguy: I dont have the root act activated.. I have never activated it on *ubuntu
[02:16] <ryguy> Legendre, I mean like adding the users through sudo command
[02:16] <Legendre> with sudo ... what is it, adduser-app or something?
[02:16] <ryguy> not sure, I never added users before =s
[02:17] <Balsaq> no i wont do a shered one, want 2 separate installs on 2 separate patritions
[02:17] <Legendre> that's what I had to do, but it should have just begged for the pw when I called up the app.
[02:17] <Balsaq> gnome here....xge here.....ff here.....opera here
[02:17] <ryguy> Balsaq. for fucks sake
[02:17] <ryguy> for the third time
[02:17] <Legendre> as it has done in the past, on EE etc
 alright then pop in the disk, then when the setup comes to the partition manager, choose the option to "Create partition in remaining space" or something along those lines
[02:17] <ryguy> fourth now actually
[02:18] <Balsaq> ok here goes..will do it when i get the g4 up and running
[02:18] <knome> !language | ryguy
[02:18] <Legendre> Other odd thing.. When I create new users, they don't get the same homedir config as the 1st user
[02:19] <Legendre> for instance, no ~/Desktop
[02:19]  * ryguy grumbles
[02:20] <Legendre> it's like there's no /etc/skel
[02:20] <Legendre> guess I should take a look and see if it's there, come to think.. though I don't even know if the user-add app reads /etc/skel
[02:21] <knome> Legendre, use 'adduser' if you insist on adding users from command line
[02:27] <knome> i'm going to bed. good night/day everybody and enjoy xubuntu.
[02:28] <ryguy> night
[02:31] <balsaqgoingforit> losy my connection for a bit
[02:31] <balsaqgoingforit> now i logged into ubu and i see the xub icon on my desk
[02:32] <balsaqgoingforit> wants me too click on start pkg manager
[02:33] <balsaqgoingforit> i think my DOS screnns ran so fast that all mt partition choice flew by me at light speed
[02:34] <balsaqgoingforit> still here ryguy?
[02:40] <balsaqgoingforit> if i got xubuntu on my desktop does that mean it wants to run it off the live cd?
[03:01] <Mueslix> Hi, is anyone online right now?
[03:01] <Legendre> hi
[03:02] <Mueslix> Hey I was just wondering about how I would go about installing the 9.04 jaunty jackalope on my computer without a CD drive.
[03:03] <Mueslix> ok uh nevermind... I mixed up the version of xfce with the release of xubuntu
[03:04] <Mueslix> i'm already running 9.04
[03:04] <Mueslix> Thanks for all the help!
[03:04] <Legendre> =)
[03:37] <Legendre> So, anyone know about the new user creation issues in JJ?
[03:37] <Legendre> how to fix them?
[04:32] <Legendre> Whistling along, with the tumbling tumbleweeds..
[06:14] <balsaq> when i was at staples today, i spoke to a computer tech who informed of a type of buntu that is designed specifically for people who watch o lot of online videos. he said it had a lot of features built in to make them run right straight out of the box. has anyone heard of the name of this particular form of buntu...or tried it?
[06:16] <balsaq> cause my you tube vids arent palyin right...vids are falling wwwaaayyy behind the music?
[08:40] <twocarlo> anybody would like to recomen a good scanner for xubuntu
[12:49] <Whippy> hello
[12:50] <Whippy> i just installed 9.04 on my ps3 but the commands i try in the terminal to change the screen res give me an error
[12:52] <Whippy> "error open :-1"
[12:52] <Whippy> any help would be greatly appreciated
[12:53] <ablomen> what are the commands you are trying?
[12:56] <Whippy> sorry
[12:56] <Whippy> was afk
[12:57] <Whippy> i can get to the screen that shows the example and all the video sizes
[12:58] <Whippy> so i just tried the command in the .eg but modified to the correct standards for me
[12:58] <Whippy> and yea i just keep getting that "error open :-1" message
[13:02] <TheSheep> Whippy: what are the commands?
[13:05] <Whippy> ps3videomode -f 5
[13:05] <Whippy> is the one i need
[13:05] <Whippy> fullscreen yuv 1080p
[13:08] <TheSheep> !ps3
[13:09] <Whippy> oh my bad
[13:09] <Whippy> thx
[13:09] <TheSheep> no problem, we jsut know little about ps3
[14:34] <vojacekj> hi
[14:34] <vojacekj> i have one problem
[14:34] <vojacekj> I had xubuntu 8.10
[14:35] <vojacekj> and now i reinstall it to xubuntu 9.04
[14:35] <vojacekj> but my g-pen 450 is not working
[14:35] <vojacekj> can someone help me
[14:35] <vojacekj> ?
[14:37] <TheSheep> !broken
[14:42] <vojacekj> ok i tried to make it with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TabletSetup
[14:42] <vojacekj> but wehn i calibrate it and change the files and restart xubuntu the tablet is not workink
[14:43] <vojacekj> the mouse isnot moving
[14:44] <vojacekj> it is not broken i try it on windows and it worked
[14:45] <vinnl> vojacekj, the point is that we can't help until you say what exactly doesn't work
[14:46] <vinnl> !tablet
[14:46] <vinnl> Hmm :S
[14:46] <vojacekj> the kurzor isnt moving and pc doesnt detect tablet
[14:47] <vojacekj> in xubuntu 8.10 it work with the drivers from these page
[14:47] <vojacekj> but now not and i dont know where is problem
[15:24] <ubuntu> hi guys, i have installed xubuntu on a pendrive, to help me recover files from a broken windows installation... How do i map my windows partition for use in xubuntu?
[16:09] <twocarlo> hey ubuntu can you change your nick please
[16:10] <ajm> ok back in a while
[16:13] <KXDTRAU_MU> hello, i need help :)
[16:13] <vinnl> !ask
[16:13] <vinnl> :)
[16:13] <KXDTRAU_MU> i lost the taskbar :)
[16:13] <KXDTRAU_MU> somehow and now i cant find it
[16:13] <vinnl> !xfce4-panel
[16:14] <KXDTRAU_MU> oh..from applications menu?
[16:14] <vinnl> ubottu is wisdom itself :)
[16:14] <vinnl> KXDTRAU_MU, no, just press Alt+F2
[16:14] <vinnl> KXDTRAU_MU, do you still have the applicatiosn menu?
[16:14] <KXDTRAU_MU> The command "!xfce4-panel" failed to run:
[16:14] <KXDTRAU_MU> Failed to execute child process "!xfce4-panel" (No such file or directory)
[16:14] <KXDTRAU_MU> this is the error i get
[16:15] <KXDTRAU_MU> i did write it with ALT-F2
[16:15] <vinnl> KXDTRAU_MU, you have to run "xfce4-panel", without the exclamation mark (and without the quotes)
[16:15] <KXDTRAU_MU> ow yes :) now its working
[16:16] <vinnl> :)
[16:16] <KXDTRAU_MU> thanx a lot :)
[16:16] <KXDTRAU_MU> i started loving this,fantastic :)
[16:16] <vinnl> ^.^
[16:16] <KXDTRAU_MU> ok so
[16:16] <KXDTRAU_MU> i have another question
[16:16] <KXDTRAU_MU> i have 1.70 celeron and 300mb ram approx
[16:16] <KXDTRAU_MU> 256+218
[16:16] <KXDTRAU_MU> 128
[16:16] <KXDTRAU_MU> and when i open youtube
[16:17] <KXDTRAU_MU> some videos are so slow
[16:17] <KXDTRAU_MU> some are ok
[16:17] <vinnl> !enter
[16:17] <KXDTRAU_MU> how can i make all the videos?
[16:17] <KXDTRAU_MU> fast
[16:17] <vinnl> Don't really know, I sometimes have the problem as well, seems to be a problem with Flash since I also experience it on other operating systems
[16:17] <KXDTRAU_MU> for example, hd videos are impossible to watch
[16:18] <KXDTRAU_MU> i installed the flash,it is working great. WAV files were problem.
[16:18] <vinnl> KXDTRAU_MU, oh, that is probably because your computer isn't fast enough
[16:18] <KXDTRAU_MU> :)
[16:18] <KXDTRAU_MU> hehe 1.70 celeron its.from the dark ages :)
[16:19] <KXDTRAU_MU> which linux version do you offer?
[16:19] <KXDTRAU_MU> few people told me netbook
[16:19] <KXDTRAU_MU> Netbook from pendrivelinux website
[16:20] <vinnl> That's not a Linux version, that's a hardware type
[16:20] <KXDTRAU_MU> there is one version of it with 976mb
[16:20] <KXDTRAU_MU> as img file
[16:20] <KXDTRAU_MU> works from usb
[16:20] <KXDTRAU_MU> xubuntu
[16:20] <KXDTRAU_MU> netbook edition it was i guess.
[16:20] <KXDTRAU_MU> its in my other computer
[16:21] <vinnl> So what is your question? :P
[16:21] <KXDTRAU_MU> how can i make it faster or if i install other version,does it work faster?  :)
[16:22] <vinnl> There are other Linux distributions than Xubuntu which are (way) faster, but also less easy to use
[16:22] <vinnl> So basically, it depends on how much usability you're willing to sacrifice and how much work you're willing to invest in it
[16:22] <KXDTRAU_MU> hmmm
[16:23] <KXDTRAU_MU> actually,its ok with memory usage but i do see the cpu usage is always over 70 percent
[16:23] <KXDTRAU_MU> is this normal?
[16:23] <vinnl> Don't think so, but I know next to nothing about CPU
[16:23] <TheSheep> it's not
[16:23] <vinnl> You can open Applications->System->System monitor and check what it using all the CPU power
[16:23] <KXDTRAU_MU> hmmmm
[16:23] <TheSheep> use the system monitor to see what's using it
[16:24] <KXDTRAU_MU> yes,i was using it :)
[16:24] <vinnl> So, what is it? Firefox?
[16:24] <Sysi> my 2.4ghz celeron is on it's knees with flash..
[16:24] <KXDTRAU_MU> yes
[16:25] <KXDTRAU_MU> :)
[16:25] <vinnl> So does CPU usage drop when you close Firefox?
[16:25] <KXDTRAU_MU> nope
[16:25] <KXDTRAU_MU> its always over 35
[16:25] <KXDTRAU_MU> minimum 35 i did see
[16:26] <KXDTRAU_MU> anyway,in the next days i might find more options :)
[16:26] <KXDTRAU_MU> now its 1:30 in Sydney time :)
[16:26] <KXDTRAU_MU> thanks alot to everyone :) have a nice linuxy days. :)
[16:27] <KXDTRAU_MU> byes
[16:28] <vinnl> So, who wakes up in the morning and thinks "what a nice linuxy day it is again, today"? :P
[16:54] <floating> vinnl: I might. karmic beta is being released tomorrow, and am gonna try it
[16:54] <vinnl> floating, yeah, I need to get myself a CD burned as well... I need a fresh install anyways because I've kinda broken my current installation - just hope the liveCD stops freezing on me, otherwise I'll have to install using the Alternate CD, if that works
[16:55] <floating> i have not been very succesful with the livecd either, so i have been thinking same kind of things :)
[17:13] <MaloenBCN> Hi guise, having my friends IBM T30, curretnly with XUBU, how do i do graphics(compiz/screenlets) and audio?
[17:13] <MaloenBCN> i checked all the internets but no joy
[17:14] <TheSheep> "do"?
[17:14] <MaloenBCN> or should i DL hardy instead and follow this http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_8.04_(Hardy_Heron)_on_a_ThinkPad_T30
[17:14] <MaloenBCN> well, u know, drivers pls or ideas how to config
[17:16] <TheSheep> it should work out of the box
[17:16] <TheSheep> it doesnt?
[17:16] <MaloenBCN> well no audio and the graphics card is an ati radeon mobility 7500, that means no compiz
[17:17] <TheSheep> xubuntu doesn't come with compiz anyways
[17:17] <MaloenBCN> everything works fine, wifi card does with ndiswrapper
[17:17] <TheSheep> did you try the application->system->drivers?
[17:17] <MaloenBCN> yes i intalled from add/remove
[17:17] <TheSheep> !ati
[17:18] <MaloenBCN> u mean the hardware drivers? yes but did not detect anything
[17:20] <MaloenBCN> cool, and how should i proceed with the audio
[17:22] <TheSheep> !sound
[17:28] <MaloenBCN> cheers its copypasted, hell yeah i got work to do kthxbye
[17:54] <Ido_> Hey guys, I have a question. I'm talking from a machine with Xubuntu, and I want to install Samba, but I don't really know where to go in their website to install a version that fits Xubuntu...help please?
[17:57] <TheSheep> just install it from the xubuntu repository
[17:57] <TheSheep> using synaptic
[17:58] <likemindead> Or open a terminal and enter (without the quotes) "sudo apt-get install samba" Ido_.
[18:03] <Ido_> Guys, what's the keyboard shortcut for Terminal?
[18:05] <likemindead> Hmm...
[18:05] <likemindead> I'm not actually in Xubuntu at the moment. :-\
[18:07] <TheSheep> Ido_: there is none by default, you can set one up in keyboard settings
[18:07] <likemindead> That's what I thought. (It's Super+t in CrunchBang...)
[18:08] <Ido_> Alright...where can I find it in the Applications list meanwhile? (Sorry, really new to it)
[18:09] <TheSheep> Ido_: settings->keyboard settings
[18:13] <likemindead> Tilda FTW!
[18:13] <likemindead> Oh... :-\
[18:51] <premorphos> is there any better alternative to alsa in the latest dist?
[18:57] <likemindead> You should be able to use Pulse or OSS, premorphos.
[18:57] <likemindead> (As alternatives.)
[18:59] <premorphos> tnx likemindead are you using alsa and have you encountered any problems with mic capture
[19:00] <likemindead> I am using ALSA, but haven't used a mic at all.
[19:01] <Balsaq> was suggested to me thant if i change my desktop to xubuntu, rather than ubuntu 904-which i have now, that it may fix the problem i am having playing youtube videos. ..problem is they play real slow and the music plays great...but the video lags way behind the music?
[19:02] <Balsaq> 400mgz 768sdram 8mb ati
[19:02] <Balsaq> i know my puter cand di it cause it was doing it good on youtube with w98
[19:02] <likemindead> Your processor is 400MHz, Balsaq?
[19:02] <likemindead> 0_o
[19:03] <Balsaq> yup
[19:03] <Balsaq> 512 cache
[19:03] <likemindead> I'd try a lighter distro.
[19:03] <Balsaq> mmx p2
[19:03] <Balsaq> dont know distro
[19:03] <likemindead> CrunchBang would be my suggestion.
[19:03] <Balsaq> computer friggen dork here
[19:03] <Balsaq> cant program my way out of a wet paper bag
[19:04] <likemindead> distro is short for distribution. There are 300+ active Linux distros. :-)
[19:04] <Balsaq> heard the was a linux called linux mint all set up for playing videos online
[19:04] <Balsaq> but this OS i have is running perfect...just the youtube slow thing?
[19:04] <premorphos> im having the same problem but mine is 2,8GHz
[19:05] <Balsaq> wow 2.8?
[19:05] <Balsaq> thats why i think its just a driver or something
[19:05] <Balsaq> cause in my OS it says i have no drivers
[19:05] <Balsaq> got flash in here though
[19:06] <Balsaq> premorshos: what vidoe card do you have?
[19:06] <premorphos> i have have worked on this problem only thing i havent tried is the propetery drivers for the video card
[19:07] <premorphos> ati 9000igp
[19:07] <Balsaq> whew sounds like a big one
[19:07] <Balsaq> my puter is 11 years old
[19:07] <premorphos> same as yours?
[19:07] <premorphos> wow
[19:07] <Balsaq> same as mine?
[19:07] <premorphos> card
[19:08] <Balsaq> 8mb ati card here from 1998
[19:08] <Balsaq> i know ot can do it becasue it was doing it well with w98, but w98 couldnt do anything else ket freezing so i wiped it clean for ubuntu
[19:09] <Balsaq> runs like a new puter now, except for the utube...weird
[19:09] <premorphos> well this is an interesting problem. i had the same problem with xp there for i now have xubuntu
[19:10] <premorphos> it must be the ati.. culd it?
[19:10] <Balsaq> yeah at work we have xp pro on 4-5 year old dells and they struggle with utube
[19:11] <Balsaq> but yet my 11 year old dell was doing it fine even with the 8mb ati
[19:11] <Balsaq> and w98?
[19:11] <Balsaq> we need to find a driver to dpowmload i know it
[19:11]  * likemindead loathes ATI. :-(
[19:12] <premorphos> hav eyou tried any flash outside fire fox?
[19:12] <likemindead> Balsaq, I'd get an old NVIDIA card off of eBay for cheap.
[19:12] <Balsaq> well would love too, even just for fun..i guess it could be that ubuntu hates ols ati's
[19:13] <Balsaq> old*
[19:13] <premorphos> or get the propetery driver working. it might work
[19:14] <Balsaq> but my thing is...shouldnt i have had to download drivers when i went to ubuntu...driver that went along with the flash thing i did. a tech on here had me go into a part of buntu thatsaid which vid drivers i had and i went there and it was empty?
[19:15] <Balsaq> he said he would sleep on it and get back too me...he also told me which ubuntu features interefere and we checked it out and all the ones that interefere were laready NOT checked in add remove...buy i wrote em down if you want them
[19:16] <kakabates> Hello?
[19:16] <likemindead> !hi
[19:17] <kakabates> Wow...cool I got to the right place.
[19:17] <Balsaq> likeminded: if i do the ebay nvivida thing, how do i know if i can stuuf the card in my old dell?
[19:17] <likemindead> Balsaq, the free, open source drivers are included in the initial install.
[19:17] <Balsaq> o.thought you might says that, but yet none were listed in my place where it shows drivers accoerding to a tech guy in here
[19:18] <likemindead> Make sure you know whether your old Dell is PCI, PCI Express (PCI-E), or AGP, Balsaq.
[19:18] <kakabates> this is my first time on IRC.
[19:18] <Balsaq> ok i will look up the pci thing now have my original paperwork!
[19:18] <likemindead> I'd bet you have just PCI.
[19:18] <likemindead> But you might have an AGP slot.
[19:19] <likemindead> Something like an old GeForce 6200 might work for you.
[19:19] <likemindead> That's what I have in my ancient HP. It's PCI.
[19:20] <Balsaq> ati xpert 98d 8mb 3d 2x agp graphics card factory install???
[19:20] <Balsaq> pci dvd decoder card factory install
[19:20] <kakabates> Can I ask for help with getting a Xubuntu wireless connection to work properly?
[19:21] <premorphos> kakabates: yes you can
[19:21] <Balsaq> turtle beach montego a3d 64 voice pci sound card....sounds like i got pci's and agp's here!
[19:21] <premorphos> welcome by the way
[19:22] <kakabates> lucky me.....looks like i'm connected but i can't get the browser or any other app to access anything online
[19:22] <kakabates> ty
[19:23] <premorphos> Balsaq: if it does work for you, you got to tell me cus i could kill for getting to play flash games
[19:23] <Balsaq> youm mean if the nividia idea works?
[19:24] <premorphos> precise
[19:24] <Balsaq> see i was told by many people at dell and techy people that the video card helps with intensive things like games or engineering software, but for simple things like online videos it wont help???
[19:26] <Balsaq> that pat makes no sence too me, but then again...i am a computer flippin moron!
[19:26] <premorphos> kakabates: you are online since you are in an icq channel.. but what do you see if you click youre connection settings icon in the top right corner?
[19:26] <kakabates> ahhh....I know.  New to Linux sort of. Or at least new to the inner workings of linux. I just installed karmic from the alternate ISO on an old Satellite 4030 CDT
[19:27] <kakabates> on my my main computer right now and i have laptop next to me.
[19:29] <premorphos> !karmic
[19:30] <kakabates> ok let me get my head together so i can ask the right questions in the right places
[19:30] <premorphos> kakabates: try the #ubuntu+1 channel   this one is focused on xubuntu
[19:31] <Balsaq> premorphos: likemindead: do you agree with my statement at14:24?
[19:31] <kakabates> thanks prem....i should also grab myself a list of IRC commands.
[19:32] <premorphos> no prob
[19:33] <premorphos> Balsaq: i wasnt loged on at that time.. plz paste it
[19:33] <Balsaq> was told vid cards help with intense games but wont help play online vids (dell and techy people said it)
[19:38] <premorphos> oh yes i was logged on.. different timeline. well i wuled have  agreed till i tryed linux. since the driver that comes with the os is built by oss programers without the help of ati it does strange things
[19:40] <Balsaq> ok i see...now when the techy dude told me go look in aplace where it shoed my drivers, why is there no drivers listed? do you show drivers listed in your puter?
[19:40] <premorphos> companys like ati wasent much helpful towards the oss comunety before
[19:40] <Balsaq> yeah i can imagine that...but my puters says i have no drivers installed?
[19:41] <premorphos> mayby do you mean add/remove?
[19:41] <premorphos> under applications
[19:41] <vinnl> Balsaq, where does it say that?
[19:42] <Balsaq> well in add remove it has these ones checked: macro, adobe, movie....BUT the tech dude had me look somewhere in some driver file thingie and it was empty and he was stumped?
[19:42] <vinnl> Balsaq, did the tech dude know you were using Xubuntu?
[19:42] <vinnl> And what was the driver fiel thingy?
[19:42] <Balsaq> so i felt like there should be some drivers in that driver file box he led me into
[19:43] <Balsaq> no he knew i was on ubuntu but said try xubuntu
[19:43] <Balsaq> he thinks that xubuntu will take less of my power thus le tthe vids play at correct speed
[19:44] <Balsaq> then he said he will research it and get back too me...seemed confused cause my same puter ran the vids great with w98
[19:45] <Balsaq> yet the whole puter runs waaayyyy better on ubuntu
[19:45] <vinnl> Again: what was the driver file box? Was it Applications->System->Hardware Drivers?
[19:45] <Balsaq> yeah that one!!!
[19:46] <Balsaq> i have none in there i seem toremember him telling me to go there
[19:46] <vinnl> And what was your graphics card?
[19:46] <Balsaq> 8mb ati
[19:46] <Balsaq> but it worked great on w98
[19:46] <Balsaq> so i know i can do it
[19:47] <vinnl> Yeah I got that
[19:47] <vinnl> Do you have the exact card name?
[19:48] <Balsaq> yes in fact ahve all my original papers...ati xpert 98d 8mb 3d 2x agp graphics card factory install
[19:48] <TheSheep> !ati | Balsaq
[19:51] <Balsaq> binary drive? i am a comlete computer moron?
[19:51] <vinnl> drive*r*
[19:55] <Balsaq> nice like there but it seems to stop at ati radeon stuff 9300 and what have you....my old timer isnt listed
[19:55] <Balsaq> like =link i meant to say
[19:56] <Balsaq> no mention of ati xpert stuf on the link
[19:56] <Balsaq> i suppose i could follow the link instruction for ati cards that are not mine and pray...
[19:57] <vinnl> Not sure if that's wise
[19:57] <Balsaq> yeah i didnt think so...thats why i usually dont do the links everytime i go there as the bots tell me its not for me
[19:59] <Balsaq> but if i never solve i still will never put windows back i nhere it tortured me  every day for 11 years and this buntu runs perfect all the time
[19:59] <Balsaq> then...yesterday i bouth a new cheapie acer 18.5 in monitor an it runs even faster?
[20:00] <vinnl> Balsaq, something that *might* (but probably won't) work is to run an older version (preferably that still receives security updates, such as 6.06), which might still support your older card
[20:00] <Balsaq> bouth-bought*
[20:00] <vinnl> Ah, and you might buy a new graphics card :P
[20:00] <Balsaq> yeah not a bad idea...never thoought of the  6.06 idea?
[20:01] <Balsaq> i have installed ram...is an vid card install a big hassle?
[20:01] <vinnl> No idea, I've never done it :P
[20:02] <Balsaq> when i experimented with sdram i put double the amount in that dell says i can have and it worked great
[20:03] <premorphos> my RS300M AGP [Radeon Mobility 9100IGP] isnt listed
[20:04] <Balsaq> see what i mean
[20:05] <Balsaq> wellluckily youtune vids are way down on my priority list...and out lil g4 lapper runs perfect
[20:06] <premorphos> vinnl: is there any other solution. you think R200 9100 might work?
[20:06] <vinnl> premorphos, what's your problem?
[20:08] <premorphos> same as Balsaq
[20:08] <vinnl> premorphos, and do you see a driver under Hardware Drivers?
[20:11] <premorphos> only a modem driver
[20:15] <premorphos> vinnl: in add/remove i can find the ati propetery driver but it is not installd
[20:15] <vinnl> premorphos, if it's not under Hardware Drivers then it's probably not meant for your card
[20:18] <premorphos> but still there is someting wrong since i cant even se the smallest flash vidd
[20:27] <Balsaq> premorphos: when you go into system-hardware drivers is your empt as is mine?
[20:27] <Balsaq> empty i meant?
[20:27] <premorphos> nope i have a modem driver there
[20:28] <Balsaq> say no proprietay drivers in use on this system and is empty when i go there
[20:28] <Balsaq> so can it hurt if i go load up on some"proprietary drivers"?
[20:29] <Balsaq> does this mean i have a chance!
[20:29] <vinnl> Balsaq, if proprietary drivers are listed there activating them might help
[20:29] <Balsaq> as i say...it says i have none and there is nothing listed at all
[20:30] <Balsaq> so do i have to put them in there
[20:30] <vinnl> No, if there are proprietary drivers available they should appear there automatically
[20:32] <Balsaq> so thats it then...no drivers
[20:32] <vinnl> Well, that's it when it comes to my help, but perhaps someone else reads this who can help
[20:33] <Balsaq> so i guess i go into the ubuntu driver place and see if any of those cards can be stuffed in my old dell...if they can go in my dell then i will know i can get the drivers for them? does that makes sence? kind of goin in backwards i guess?
[20:34] <vinnl> If that Dell also has Ubuntu then yes
[20:35] <Balsaq> well i am on the dell now and yes i put ubuntu 904 in it running it now
[21:22] <erik___> hey; i'm trying to get norwegian special keys to work in aterm - they work in the default xubuntu terminal - but i've been unsuccesful so far. my menus etc. are in english, and my LANG is en_US-UTF8..
[21:29] <Vinky> Hi, Im trying to install xubuntu on my laptop, but on the reboot it fails with /dev/disk/by-uuid/... does not exist
[21:33] <Vinky> trying in #ubuntu too
[21:56] <vinnl> NickDeNeger, nice name xD
[23:32] <Ido_> Hey guys, i'd like to know how to get to the Terminal program(?) in Xubuntu...


[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <robru> \o
[15:02] <cyphermox> o/
[15:02]  * slangasek waves
[15:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug 11 15:03:04 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson)
[15:03] <slangasek> robru caribou cyphermox mwhudson sil2100 xnox infinity bdmurray pitti slangasek doko chiluk barry tdaitx
[15:03] <robru> yay!
[15:03] <cyphermox> oh, so close
[15:03] <robru> very short week due to vacation mon-wed
[15:03] <chiluk> slangasek: caribou is on vacation this week.
[15:04] <robru> started porting publish job from jenkins to bileto, but just a tiny stub, not functional yet
[15:04] <robru> (done)
[15:04] <slangasek> chiluk: copy, thanks
[15:04] <slangasek> cyphermox:
[15:04] <cyphermox> trusty:
[15:04] <cyphermox> - investigate upgrade prompt bug for shim-signed (bug LP: #1607929)
[15:04] <cyphermox> yakkety:
[15:04] <cyphermox> - NetworkManager bugs (bug LP: #1589401)
[15:04] <cyphermox> - check legacy grub uses in grub-installer
[15:04] <cyphermox>  - console-conf networking code
[15:04] <cyphermox> - debug ubiquity non-english translation crash (bug LP: #1611010)
[15:04] <cyphermox> - debugging network-manager openvpn split-tunnelling (bug LP: #1603898)
[15:04] <cyphermox> - shim extendedKeyUsage code
[15:04] <cyphermox> - test & upload new shim
[15:04] <cyphermox> - validate grub -> grub2 upgrade path
[15:04] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:05] <sil2100> Is mwhudson actually around at this time? ;)
[15:05] <cyphermox> doubtful
[15:05] <sil2100> Ok, so my turn
[15:05] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:05] <sil2100> - RTM status meetings
[15:05] <sil2100> - Touch xenial:
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Reverted repowerd on xenial as well (which has now re-landed with fixes)
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Reviewed libhybris arm64-fix branches, coordinating landing
[15:05] <sil2100> - Experimenting with snappy and snaps
[15:05] <sil2100> - Update touch seeds per management requests
[15:05] <sil2100> - Staging a golang-1.6 forward-port from trusty with package rebuilds
[15:05] <sil2100> - Various updates to landing-team-tools, cleanup
[15:05] <sil2100> - Re-spinning snapshot-based OTA-12 emulator images + copying to stable
[15:05] <sil2100> - Familiarizing with bileto code, proposing small bugfix for PPA descriptions
[15:05] <sil2100> - zeromq3 update request:
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Experimented with libzmq git snapshot package, refreshed patches
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Prepped syncing zmqpp from upstream + the required patch from devel
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Built test packages
[15:06] <sil2100> - Looked into the general migration issues in yakkety for touch-based packages
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Prepared chroot, tried parsing update_output, waiting for transitions to finish
[15:06] <sil2100> (done)
[15:06] <xnox> * merging all the things
[15:06] <xnox> * Build atlas with zEC12 optimisations on s390x, and POWER8 timings on ppc64el (with coordination in Debian)
[15:06] <xnox> * fix FTBFS dbus-cpp (gcc-6)
[15:06] <xnox> * coordinate improved s390x support upstream in screenfetch, upload to yakkety
[15:06] <xnox> * oprofile SRU to xenial for goldmont & z13 support
[15:06] <xnox> * openssl SRU to xenial in the unapproved queue
[15:06] <xnox> * zua - implement whitelist builds only
[15:06] <xnox> *  s390x bugproxy wants new kernels, but apw is on holiday =)
[15:06] <xnox> ..
[15:06] <doko> they are working on the kernel, I'm told ...
[15:07] <infinity>  * glibc 2.24 work, still sorting out some locale issues
[15:07] <infinity>  * a bit of kernel SRU help
[15:07] <infinity> (done)
[15:07] <xnox> well, i'm not building a kernel on a debie's laptop and giving IBM to take that for a spin on their mainframes ;-)
[15:07] <infinity> xnox: "new kernel" in what sense?
[15:07] <xnox> infinity, 4.7 or 4.8
[15:08] <bdmurray> modified mojo spec / charms to use swift for apport code storage
[15:08] <bdmurray> investigation into RT 90399 daisy Traceback
[15:08] <bdmurray> submitted test crashes to lift and shift ET (rt 90399)
[15:08] <bdmurray> update daisy to stop accepting / retracing wily crashes
[15:08] <bdmurray> submitted RT to have daisy updated in staging / production
[15:08] <infinity> xnox: Well, 4.6 is landing soon.  4.7 will follow.
[15:08] <bdmurray> uploaded update-manager HWE support wording changes
[15:08] <bdmurray> wrote HWE support test case for testers
[15:08] <bdmurray> research into / fixing of HWE support multi-arch issue
[15:08] <bdmurray> uploaded update-manager HWE multi-arch fix
[15:08] <bdmurray> reported bug 1611982 re missing packages in HWE X stack
[15:08] <bdmurray> updated update-notifier w/ hwe support for Trusty
[15:08] <bdmurray> uploaded improved fix for LP: #1579834
[15:08] <bdmurray> updated bug bot with 16.04.1 iso ident information
[15:08] <bdmurray> uploaded u-r-u for X fixing LP: #1611909
[15:08] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:08] <slangasek> pitti is on vacation
[15:09] <slangasek>  * slow week, taking me a long time to recover from cold
[15:09] <slangasek>  * ubuntu-image spec finalization
[15:09] <slangasek>  * console-conf design discussions
[15:09] <slangasek>  * finishing a handful of merges before Feature Freeze
[15:09] <slangasek>  * proposed-migration nudging
[15:09] <slangasek> (done)
[15:09] <slangasek> doko:
[15:09] <doko> - binutils 2.27
[15:09] <doko> - got gnat-6 into the release pocket
[15:09] <doko> - working on build failures, transitions ...
[15:09] <doko> - look at gcc bugs, upstream, ...
[15:09] <doko> - prepare GCC linaro builds
[15:09] <doko> - look at "Killed" build failures, reduce parallelism during the build. not sure if that is the right way ...
[15:09] <doko> - openjdk-9 update
[15:10] <doko> (done)
[15:10] <chiluk> - just opened lp#1612294 - not sure if anything can be done, but it's annoying.
[15:10] <chiluk> - other than that, mostly working ceph cases as most of my team have been on vacation the last few weeks.
[15:10] <chiluk> - Vacation Friday - Got Lasik
[15:10] <chiluk> (done)
[15:10] <barry> ubuntu-image: LP: #1605434 (more-parsing branch); gadget-yaml branch (WIP); prepare-image branch; sample-data branch
[15:10] <barry> debuntu: python-coverage sponsorship; pyparsing 2.1.6+dfsg1-1; LP: #1611503; various other discussions; claws-mail merge from Debian before FF (WIP)
[15:10] <barry> --done--
[15:11] <tdaitx> = OpenJDK security update
[15:11] <tdaitx> - Fixed broken JamVM: 2 new native methods were introduced in sun.misc.Unsafe and had to be implemented in JamVM as well (LP: #1611598); a bug has been reported to both JamVM and IcedTea and fixes have been provided for review
[15:11] <tdaitx> - OpenJDK 8 packages with JamVM seem to be broken as well but jtreg is not being run, working on that
[15:11] <tdaitx> - Waiting for 8u102 backport to be approved on aarch64-port to update the source package
[15:11] <tdaitx> - OpenJDK 7 builds still segfaults on Trusty on Arm64 (but it doe eventually passes); it used to be that building on trusty-security only segfaulted and trust-updates didn't, but now both have the same version; under investigation
[15:11] <tdaitx> - Keeping an eye on errors report related to LP: #1609190
[15:11] <tdaitx> = Other
[15:11] <tdaitx> - Went through a few bug reports
[15:11] <tdaitx> = AOB
[15:11] <tdaitx> - landline+adsl installed and working at 50/6 Mbps, torrents ups and running (for ISOs I say); also got a new battery for my UPS (does anyone else calls it a "no-break" besides Brazilians?)
[15:11] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:12] <xnox> bug #1612294
[15:12] <doko> tdaitx, is this with pch enabled? if yes, please can you try to disable that?
[15:14] <slangasek> chiluk: the timestamp is added by the syslog server, which systemd can only dump to once syslog is started
[15:14] <slangasek> so systemd can either send this info or not, but not control the timestamp
[15:14] <xnox> read journal?
[15:14] <chiluk> slangasek: Yeah I'm aware.. doesn't mean I can't bitch about it .. or at least get it documented.
[15:14] <slangasek> ok
[15:15] <slangasek> any questions over status?
[15:15] <infinity> Can't reasonably fix the timestamp thing, but the order is definitely a bug.
[15:15] <chiluk> slangasek ... If there's ever a discussion about switching away from systemd.. this will just be one more bit of ammo.
[15:15] <xnox> do we even have syslog by default? i thought we just use journal, and make that syslog.
[15:15] <slangasek> chiluk: switching away from systemd to what? :)
[15:15]  * chiluk misses upstart..
[15:15]  * xnox systeme
[15:15] <infinity> xnox: We definitely have syslog.
[15:16] <slangasek> xnox: absolutely not.  we don't bury our logs in a non-standard binary db :)
[15:16] <xnox> ok. I can't tell with my frankenstein machines =)
[15:16] <infinity> slangasek: Of course it's a standard, Lennart declared it thus.
[15:16]  * xnox ponders if we should make journal dump plaintext logs and rotate that.
[15:17] <xnox> aka pg_dump for journald
[15:17] <slangasek> orrr we could continue using the perfectly good syslog that we already have infrastructure for
[15:17] <infinity> xnox: And that would be better than a standard syslog interface how?
[15:17] <sil2100> Asking for the last time: anyone against me updating zeromq3 to the latest git snapshot? ;)
[15:18] <infinity> sil2100: So, sorry, I'm only half awake.  You said this was for scopes people, which implies maybe phone work?
[15:18] <infinity> sil2100: Which implies they'd want this in xenial?
[15:18] <sil2100> infinity: yes, actually for ubuntu-personal
[15:18] <infinity> sil2100: s/phone/unity8/ then.
[15:18] <tdaitx> doko, thanks, I will check that
[15:18] <sil2100> Since they need that to get things working for snappy
[15:18] <sil2100> Yeah
[15:19] <infinity> sil2100: If this is only for yakkety *and* a real upstream release is around the corner, then fine.  If this is for xenial, then hahahaha no.
[15:19] <xnox> sil2100, snap zeromq3 ? =/
[15:19] <infinity> Or tell people that relying on features in git isn't really the way forward?
[15:19] <sil2100> I'm prepping it for yakkety right now, don't know anything about xenial - but who knows ;)
[15:19] <sil2100> Anyway yeah, the new version will be out soonish I guess
[15:19] <doko> sil2100, well, if all rdeps work with it ...
[15:20] <xnox> wait they want to put zeromq3 on every client? isn't that a bit heavy weight?
[15:20] <sil2100> No changes in symbols, just a few ones added
[15:20] <infinity> xnox: It's not.
[15:20] <infinity> xnox: It's quite little, in fact, which is the appeal.
[15:21] <xnox> ok.
[15:21] <infinity> xnox: Think of it like the sqlite of the MQ world.
[15:21] <infinity> xnox: An MQ with no engine, just a library and a socket.
[15:22] <slangasek> and incorrect case-insensitive matching behavior? :)
[15:23] <infinity> slangasek: I'm not sure the sqlite analogy extends that far. ;)
[15:23] <xnox> "like sqlite" ?! =)
[15:23] <slangasek> xnox: he didn't say "like couchdb", so it must be ok
[15:23] <infinity> (But it probably has similar failings... The size tradeoff is likely similarly worth it, though)
[15:24] <infinity> So, since we seem to have devolved into AOB, despite a topic change...
[15:24] <infinity> despite a lack of topic change.
[15:25] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:25] <infinity> Has anyone seen bizarre issues on Intel GPUs with an up-to-date yakkety?
[15:25] <sil2100> I'll be on holidays on Monday
[15:25] <infinity> Like, flickering, render tearing, world exploding spectacularly requiring a reboot...
[15:25] <sil2100> I mean, one-day national holiday
[15:25]  * xnox points out that Cold Water by Justin Bieber & Make me by Britney Spears are amazing songs
[15:26] <tdaitx> doko, so, I do have your latest patches (from debian's 7u111-2.6.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> for arm64 pch) but the build is not using disable-precompiled-headers, I will retry it with that and see how it goes
[15:26]  * sil2100 still didn't figure out when to take his holidays
[15:26] <xnox> infinity, define bizarre?
[15:26] <xnox> and desktop / mobile / ultramobile graphics?
[15:26] <bdmurray> infinity: I've seen flickering
[15:26] <xnox> flickering yes.
[15:26] <infinity> xnox: Broadwell-U
[15:26] <xnox> also disable / uninstall flash plugin
[15:26] <cyphermox> secure boot magic win, yay.
[15:26] <xnox> oh the worst of them all.
[15:26] <cyphermox> ^ that was AOB ;)
[15:27] <slangasek> "secure boot magic win"?
[15:27] <xnox> I'm on skylake and it's ok. I don't think Broadwell-U was ever fixed.
[15:27] <cyphermox> https://rol.im/securegoldenkeyboot/
[15:27] <infinity> Alright, if everyone's seeing flickering, I at least know not to assume my laptop is dying.
[15:27] <slangasek> the magic won? you won the magic?
[15:27] <infinity> Now to figure out who to yell at.
[15:27] <cyphermox> nah
[15:27] <cyphermox> there was no magic
[15:27] <cyphermox> and much less won.
[15:27] <xnox> is that just ARM keys, or x86_64 keys too?
[15:27] <slangasek> well, /we/ win, because now we can put Ubuntu on all the Windows ARM devices :)
[15:27] <cyphermox> shrugs
[15:28] <slangasek> xnox: ARM only
[15:28] <cyphermox> I checked, it doesn't include any of our shim hashes
[15:28] <xnox> cause if it is just ARM keys, then it's intentional leak to open up the platform, as microsoft todate refused / didn't sign anybody else for that.
[15:28] <slangasek> uhm
[15:28] <slangasek> conspiracy theory much? :)
[15:29] <cyphermox> I wasn't under the impression this was only ARM though.
[15:29] <infinity> slangasek: Have you met Dmitri?
[15:29] <cyphermox> did the reptilian overlords already get him?
[15:30]  * xnox saw new star trek, was very confused about lack of either aliens or predators
[15:31] <barry> xnox: saw it in imax 3d the day it premiered.  still pretty awesome
[15:32] <infinity> xnox: Pretty sure Kirk is a predator.
[15:32] <barry> infinity: only the shatnerkirk
[15:33] <barry> aoaob?
[15:33] <infinity> barry: Nah, the new Kirk is too.  They set that up in the very first movie.
[15:35] <bdmurray> he was even hiding under a bed in that one
[15:35] <barry> shatner would have never hid under a bed
[15:35] <barry> s/would/could/
[15:36] <infinity> That's because Shatner's Kirk lived in a 60s sci-fi world where beds were either welded to the ground or floating 4 feet in the air.
[15:36] <cyphermox> heh. I still have total respect for McCoy, who had the worst job of them all
[15:36] <infinity> cyphermox: McCoy worked on Secure Boot?
[15:37] <cyphermox> no, he cured Kirk's STDs.
[15:37] <infinity> Similar.
[15:37] <cyphermox> that's still a little bit above working on Secure Boot ;)
[15:37] <barry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pNQYHvhnms
[15:37] <barry> the 60s were so awesome
[15:38] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Aug 11 15:38:22 2016 UTC.
[15:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-08-11-15.03.moin.txt
[15:38] <slangasek> thanks, all :)
[15:38] <barry> slangasek is so herbert
[15:38] <barry> :)
[15:38] <barry> thanks!


[12:17] <oslo> hi any fr ?
[12:18] <oslo> i can't use my samba local network on feisty !
[12:18] <oslo> it's see my shared folder but i can't enter in !
[02:47] <toma> Hobbsee: !
[02:47] <Hobbsee> toma!!!
[03:01] <toma> time to sleep
[03:01] <toma> nite
[04:08] <nixternal> hey, which one of you did that customizing KDE/Kubuntu guide?
[04:08] <nixternal> I have some work for you if want it, I need documentation help
[04:08] <nixternal> you don't need to know anything but english and typing :)
[04:08] <nixternal> hell, you don't even need to know english all that well, as long as I can understand what you are saying :)
[09:34] <_StefanS_> hi there
[11:08] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[11:11] <_StefanS_> hi
[11:15] <dinosaur-rus> what do you think about "cleanup" feature of Adept -- remove redundant packages (packages that are not referenced by any of installed ones)
[11:24] <stdin> it's highly dependant on the right meta-packages being installed
[11:49] <dinosaur-rus> I have konqueror-plugin-gnash package installed, by Konq doesn't even see it
[12:39] <vinboy> hi
[12:39] <vinboy> i have the feisty CD, but there is a fault with the installer, qtparted problem
[12:39] <vinboy> any idea how to bypass it?
[12:41] <Riddell> click Next?
[12:41] <vinboy> doesn't work
[12:41] <vinboy> the qtparted is stuck
[01:02] <dinosaur-rus> KDE logout screen has only icons, but no text. is that correct behavior?
[01:04] <Riddell> jmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnfgv b
[01:06] <dinosaur-rus> Riddel: what was that?
[01:08] <toma> slow cat?
[01:10] <Sime> did anyone notice that gamma settings in edgy are not being restored after login...
[01:16] <dinosaur-rus> Sime: did you set it with xgamma?
[01:16] <Sime> nope
[01:16] <Sime> displayconfig
[01:17] <Sime> we had a problem with power saving settings being messed after login on edgy. Does anyone know which patch fixed that?
[01:17] <Sime> I think it is related to the gamma problem I see now.
[01:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ping ?
[02:49] <zakame> evening all :)
[02:50] <zakame> yo Jucato
[03:52] <GNUro> hello!
[04:07] <Lure> Sime: we had problem with display power saving - problem is that kenergy module is active and had bug
[04:08] <Sime> Lure: ok, kenergy didn't do anything with gamma I guess.
[04:08] <Sime> Lure: maybe kdm / xorg behaviour has changed.
[04:08] <Lure> Sime: I doubt it
[04:08] <Lure> Sime: or kgamma get activated and overrides guidance setup?
[04:09] <Sime> Lure: maybe, before when you log out , kdm didn't reset the gamma. I can't believe that a bug like this wasn't seen earlier.
[04:09] <Lure> Sime: it may be that we did not disable these modules correctly with latest kde (kenergy, kgamma)
[04:09] <Sime> Lure: how can I find out if kgamma is disabled?
[04:09] <Lure> Sime: I doubt people use gamma setting that much
[04:09] <Sime> Lure: True. I just got a laptop and I need it now. :-/
[04:10] <Sime> Lure: either way, I'm going to have to fix it so that gamma is set on login.
[04:10] <Lure> Sime: good for us ;-)
[04:10] <Sime> Lure: just like power saving.
[04:41] <Lure> Any core-dev sponsor for acpid upload: bug 84480
[04:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84480 in acpid "power button is ignored by acpi scripts when running kpowersave" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84480
[05:06] <freeflying> Lure: the new logout diolog is too gnomeish  :)
[05:06] <Lure> freeflying: talk to Riddell and _StefanS_
[05:06] <freeflying> Lure: thanks
[05:06] <Lure> freeflying: Riddell likes it that way, but you can still switch to old behaviour
[05:07] <freeflying> Lure: it's seems not like kde now, but we are kubuntu  :)
[05:07] <Lure> freeflying: just add this to you ksmserverrc:
[05:07] <Lure> [Logout]
[05:07] <Lure> doUbuntuLogout=0
[05:08] <freeflying> Lure: I see, but it will stand defaultly in kubuntu feisty
[05:09] <Lure> freeflying: I think so - but it is still time to improve it...
[05:17] <nixternal> someone explain Konqueror Flash Plugin Installer and now allows installation of Flash 9?
[05:18] <nixternal> I have had it intalled in Konqi for a long time, is there a new package just for this?
[05:33] <Lure> nixternal: ask Tonio_
[05:54] <_StefanS_> Lure: I got that tabulation and arrow up/down working in the logout thingy. Have a concept working of the grub menu (the dropdown box)
[05:54] <_StefanS_> Lure: hopefully there will be an update very soon, if all behaves well
[06:01] <Lure> _StefanS_: did you also fixed problem with small resolution?
[06:01] <Lure> _StefanS_: if you provide a .deb or patch I can test it for you
[06:06] <Sime> Lure: I've just ported back a heap of fixes from guidance trunk to the 0.7 branch.
[06:07] <Lure> Sime: are we ready for 0.7.1 release?
[06:07] <Sime> Lure: you're name shows up quite often in the svn commit logs. :-)
[06:07] <Lure> Sime: just for powermanager ;-)
[06:08] <Sime> Lure: I got a laptop the other week, and I've noticed that a few things are broken in guidance... ggrrr (edgy install BTW).
[06:24] <Sime> Lure: there are a couple of bugs I want to fix before 0.7.1 comes out. And 0.7.1 needs to be tested first a bit. (I merged in a fair bit of stuff).
[06:32] <sebas> Sime: We do have trunk / branch?
[06:32] <sebas> Since when, and what did I miss?
[06:33] <Sime> sebas: /branches/guidance/0.7
[06:33] <Sime> sebas: been there for ages.
[06:33] <Sime> sebas: I'm talking about edgy fixes.
[06:53] <Sime> sebas: I added a README.developers file to guidance.
[07:03] <LeeJunFan> man, I've got a long hang-time before X starts with feisty, guess I'll have to track that down and file a boog.
[07:33] <sebas> Sime: Thanks, I see it.
[07:33] <sebas> Gotta set the commitfilter to branches/guidance as well.
[07:44] <nixternal> how much is the artwork changing for Feisty?
[07:44] <bddebian> Heya
[07:44] <nixternal> it seems they scheduled the string freeze before the artwork freeze
[07:44] <nixternal> boo
[07:44] <nixternal> hiya bddebian
[07:44] <bddebian> Hi nixternal
[07:47] <hellcattrav> Oi Oi, I'm a new kubuntu/linux noob and can't get my wireless up and running, could anyone help me wiht this?
[07:48] <nixternal> hellcattrav: #kubuntu is the support channel, better luck getting the answer there than you would in a developers channel :)
[07:51] <hellcattrav> yeah but see im over there, and they're doing bugger all
[07:51] <hellcattrav> so i figuried i could at least try over here- sorry if i broke into the inner sanctum
[07:55] <nixternal> hehe, the inner sanctum is enjoying their Sunday
[08:01] <hellcattrav> oh well then ill just go away then
[08:13] <_StefanS_> hi
[08:25] <manchicken> Hmmm... Sunday....
[09:24] <jjesse> is there going to be a new background or theme for feisty?
[09:25] <kwwii> jjesse: nothing ground breakingly new, just tweaking the stuff from edgy
[09:25] <kwwii> but we are going to use a new style (polyester)
[09:27] <nixternal> yay!
[09:27] <nixternal> kwwii: same color scheme just different style?
[09:27] <nixternal> so if we take screenshots with the Polyester theme we will be OK?
[09:27] <nixternal> jjesse_: the book will use b/w pictures correct?
[09:28] <jjesse> black and white?
[09:28] <nixternal> yes
[09:28] <jjesse> yeah
[09:28] <jjesse> but i take them as is
[09:29] <nixternal> I use the Qt Curve theme on my main setup, but I am setting up VMWare for my screen shots now
[09:29] <jjesse> me too
[09:29] <jjesse> i actually use edgy on my laptop
[09:29] <nixternal> I am using Feisty on my laptop now
[09:29] <nixternal> I decided the heck with it and went ahead and went through with the dist-upgrade
[09:29] <nixternal> flawlessly I might add
[09:29] <jjesse> good to hear
[09:30] <kwwii> nixternal: the colorscheme has been tweaked, but only very slightly
[09:30] <nixternal> kwwii: is the color scheme current with updates yet?
[09:31] <kwwii> nixternal: yepp
[09:31] <nixternal> groovy
[09:34] <manchicken> Riddell: You about?
[09:35] <manchicken> Where's the repo for 3.5.6?
[09:38] <manchicken> Does anybody know if the kubuntu.org repo for kde-356 also has deb-src?
[09:49] <Sime> sebas: I want to fix a problem with gamma settings, and a problem with displayconfig and my acer lappie, then 0.7.1 can come out on edgy.
[09:55] <Lure> manchicken: it should have src too
[09:55] <Lure> Sime: 0.7.1 might be hard for edgy - SRU policy is very strict
[09:56] <Lure> Sime: but would be great to have non-svn release for feisty
[09:56] <Lure> Sime: and I think we can request backport when we have it in feisty
[10:03] <manchicken> Restarting K
[10:06] <manchicken> Anything cool and/or new in K 3.5.6?
[10:07] <yuriy> just bugfixes i think, i haven't noticed anything neat
[10:11] <yuriy> Riddell: software-properties-kde is not installed by default?
[10:13] <manchicken> Looks like quite a few fixes are in there.
[10:19] <nixternal> anyone successfully installed Virtualbox?
[10:19] <nixternal> I can't get it to install in Edgy no Feisty
[10:20] <Lure> yuriy: I think not yet, but that is the plan (afair)
[10:21] <yuriy> Lure: oh ok
[10:37] <Sime> Lure: I've only backported bug fixes to 0.7, BTW. A lot of the fixes reference LP bugs #s.
[10:38] <Lure> Sime: yep, we have used references when possible
[10:38] <Lure> Sime: ok, then we might release 0.8.0 with improved powermanager (cpufreq, idle) + wineconfig (maybe grubconfig too)
[10:39] <Lure> Sime: SRU policy is still very restricted - not all LP bugs clasify for SRU