[10:23] <pooki> how to run ubuntu with internet?
[10:49] <jussi01> pooki: #ubuntu is for support :)
[11:10] <pooki> ok, what is this for
[13:20] <h00k> The friendly LoCo Council Meeting Minutes said that LoCo Channel Ops should idle, so here I am!
[13:20] <andrew> ditto
[14:41] <Tm_T> h00k: welcome (:
[14:41] <Tm_T> welcome to all other new faces too
[14:42] <h00k> Tm_T: thanks!
[19:29] <juliux> hi
[19:29] <andrew> hi
[19:29] <juliux> if somebody of the council ot the mail from barristan regarding #ubuntu-de-offtopic i am here to talk about the situation, just give me a ping.
[19:30] <juliux> s/ot/got
[21:03] <guntbert> regarding the new ops application process - will it be possible (for "everyone") to see who has applied?
[21:14] <tsimpson> guntbert: if you look on the members page(s) you should see the pending members
[21:14] <tsimpson> *team members page(s)
[21:14] <guntbert> tsimpson: thx
[22:30] <m4v> Elie in #ubuntu is in a join/part cycle, for some days now


[00:00] <Cheesehead> Hang on...
[00:00] <jrgifford> yeah, it looks like an untitled document here as well.
[00:00] <Cheesehead> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VOmTgEqCzIW8oITV2d5fIRD3xsiKRVMd39OUlpx6xQ/edit?hl=en_US
[00:00] <Cheesehead> I missed part of the tail the the previous paste. Apologies.
[00:01] <jrgifford> ok, it's loading how. thanks Cheesehead. :)
[00:01]  * Cheesehead waits to see if the list comes up...
[00:01] <Cheesehead> The way I plan to run my sessions is Very Little Lecture (TM)
[00:01]  * Cheesehead jokes about trademarks becasue he thinks it's funny. Nobody else does
[00:02] <Cheesehead> Thanks, narrator.
[00:02] <jrgifford> heh, i joke about trademarks all the time. :D
[00:02] <Cheesehead> Mostly sharing stories
[00:02] <jrgifford> they be funny
[00:02] <Cheesehead> A shill or two in the audience (assistant) to keep the conversation moving
[00:02]  * philipballew learns to read
[00:02]  * philipballew reads document
[00:02] <Cheesehead> And as each story touches on an important point, the trainer just hilights it.
[00:03] <philipballew> so what happens when I sign up for a topic?
[00:03] <Cheesehead> It's a style that works well with 5-8 participants
[00:03] <Cheesehead> When you sign up for a topic, I get notified (because I subscribe to the page)
[00:03] <Cheesehead> And when I create the schedule, I put you on it.
[00:04] <philipballew> so am i leading a session on this topic?
[00:04] <Cheesehead> If someone is uncomfortable or nervaouss and wants to do a 10-minute practice run, that can be easily arranged.
[00:05] <Cheesehead> If you sign up as a trainer, you are volunteering to lead a workshop.
[00:05] <Cheesehead> Any skills strike you? (Any not on the list, too?)
[00:08]  * Cheesehead fills the dishwasher
[00:10] <Cheesehead> If you sign up as an assistant, then you're supporting the trainer however they need.
[00:10] <philipballew> ChanServ, I have run sessions both in ubuntu user days and ubuntu open week
[00:10] <philipballew> no...
[00:10] <philipballew> Cheesehead, ^
[00:10] <philipballew> I am okay in that area
[00:11]  * Cheesehead is confused
[00:11] <Cheesehead> Which area?
[00:11] <jrgifford> in the public-irc-speaking area
[00:12] <Cheesehead> That's an important skill right there.
[00:12] <Cheesehead> Speaking on what topics?
[00:12] <jrgifford> he should teach us that
[00:12] <philipballew> here, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/philipballew
[00:13]  * Cheesehead reads
[00:13] <philipballew> its on the table of contents on ubuntu classroom
[00:15]  * Cheesehead still reads
[00:16]  * philipballew still pretends to know what he is doing
[00:16]  * Cheesehead also pretends to know what he is doing
[00:19]  * Cheesehead still reads while cleaning the kitchen
[00:19]  * philipballew does homework
[00:20] <philipballew> correction
[00:20]  * philipballew attempts homework
[00:21] <Cheesehead> I see on your blog you planned and executed a successful Ubuntu Hour, and followed it up with more ideas to improve it. That's another whole session right there.
[00:23] <Cheesehead> How comfortable are you with facilitating discussions instead of the more-common lecture format?
[00:24] <jrgifford> i don't think you're asking me, but i'm somewhat familiar.
[00:24]  * Cheesehead is trying to recruit jrgifford, too
[00:24] <jrgifford> hehe.
[00:24] <philipballew> Cheesehead, I run a ubuntu hour all the time
[00:24] <Cheesehead> jrgifford: How about your favorite skills from the list?
[00:25] <philipballew> have run two different ones
[00:25] <jrgifford> Cheesehead: reading it right now
[00:25] <philipballew> creating discussion. I can do that. I am currently blogging about what to do when noone comes to your ubuntu hour
[00:25] <philipballew> it happened last night :)
[00:25] <jrgifford> I like turning lurkers into awesome folks
[00:26] <jrgifford> i'm not good, but I like trying.
[00:26] <philipballew> all the main people were at uds
[00:26] <Cheesehead> philipballew: I run one, too. And nobody comes. So I think Ubuntu Hour Strategies and Tactics is a rich field for discussion.
[00:26] <philipballew> or catholic church
[00:26] <philipballew> I will talk about that and try to get people talking
[00:27] <Cheesehead> philipballew: Would you *please* add that skill to the googledocs list? and then, *pretty please* sign up as a trainer for that subject on the wiki page?
[00:27] <philipballew> alright.
[00:27]  * philipballew again attempts to act like he knows what he is doing
[00:28] <Cheesehead> On the wiki, please put me down as an assistant. I'll be there anyway, so I may as well help...
[00:28] <philipballew> alright. I would love to
[00:29]  * Cheesehead snaps the chain shut around philipballew's ankle
[00:29] <philipballew> UBUNTU FOR LIFE!!!!
[00:30] <Cheesehead> philipballew: Whose life? (or what object's life?)
[00:30] <philipballew> My life . lol
[00:30] <philipballew> where's the wiki from this afternoon?
[00:31] <Cheesehead> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19370/community-p-leadership-team/
[00:31] <Cheesehead> ?
[00:32] <philipballew> yeah, this
[00:32] <philipballew> well i can use this to get to the page to add my name
[00:33] <Cheesehead> Add your name?
[00:34]  * Cheesehead meant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects#skills for IRC workshops
[00:34] <philipballew> well Cheesehead is that not where I should add my name?
[00:35] <Cheesehead> Please add your name to the wiki link. You can add your name to the summit link if you wish -of course-, but the wiki link is what I'm using for the IRC planning
[00:36] <philipballew> Cheesehead, ok, so what is the exact link you need me to have
[00:36]  * philipballew has seen to many links today
[00:39] <philipballew> Cheesehead, https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VOmTgEqCzIW8oITV2d5fIRD3xsiKRVMd39OUlpx6xQ/edit?hl=en_US is that look good
[00:39] <Cheesehead> philipballew: Er, would you mind terribly moving your additions down to #37-ish?
[00:40]  * Cheesehead shuts up when he sees philipballew is ahead of me
[00:40] <philipballew> :)
[00:40] <Cheesehead> Gentlemen, those three ideas look great.
[00:41] <Cheesehead> next step is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects#skills
[00:41] <philipballew> I have no problem running all the discussions on these ideas here I have presented
[00:41] <Cheesehead> philipballew: Then do *please* sign yourself up on the wiki link  I just posted...
[00:41] <philipballew> Cheesehead, what exactly is assistant and trainer?
[00:42] <philipballew> so I know what's up around here these days
[00:42] <jrgifford> excellent, Cheesehead you be organized
[00:42] <Cheesehead> Trainer is primary. Assistant is whatever help is needed or wanted.
[00:42] <Cheesehead> Trainer is the subject expert, assistant need not be an expert.
[00:42] <Cheesehead> For example, my assistants will help facilitate slow conversation.
[00:43] <Cheesehead> As the trainer, it's the ace up my sleeve to prevent a slow class.
[00:43] <jrgifford> ok, i'll add myself in the morning, need to go now.
[00:43] <jrgifford> awesome, I love the way this is going.
[00:43] <Cheesehead> jrgifford: Thank you! Have a good night.
[00:44]  * jrgifford is going to steal some tricks from Cheesehead for the ubuntu power users group. :D
[00:44] <Cheesehead> That's what sharing is for :) It's only stealing if you gove nothing back...
[00:45] <Cheesehead> like better spelling
[00:45] <philipballew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects
[00:45] <philipballew> ^look at the mess I might have made
[00:46] <Cheesehead> Fabulous.
[00:48]  * philipballew gets dinner
[00:48] <philipballew> nothing beats school cafeteria food
[00:49] <Cheesehead> philipballew: Thanks for getting involved, and for digging until you found gold!
[00:49] <Cheesehead> I plan to work up a tentative schedule Friday, I'll send it 'round e-mail.
[00:50] <philipballew> alright. i want to see this take off. it looks cool!
[00:50] <Cheesehead> For feedback. Since, of course, trainers need to be able to make their sessions!
[00:50]  * Cheesehead mus go off to put kids to bed
[00:50] <Cheesehead> Have agood night, everybody!
[00:50]  * Cheesehead looks at his fingers in disbelief
[00:51]  * Cheesehead departs
[02:13] <Cheesehead> valorie, DarwinSurvivor, philipballew : IRC session tentative schedule at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects . I would certainly love input, especially about how to make the time zones work....
[02:14] <philipballew> I live in California
[02:14] <Cheesehead> philipballew: Right. I don;t want you to have to get up in the middle of the night to teach. that would be silly.
[02:14] <Cheesehead> But it's just as silly for us to ignore Ubuntu members at the antipodes
[02:15] <philipballew> I would rather do that then like 6 am
[02:15] <DarwinSurvivor> Cheesehead: i think we should find out what time zones people are in that want to attend
[02:15] <philipballew> thats when I get up for uds this week
[02:15] <DarwinSurvivor> if someone isn't planning on attending, no point in working their time-zone into it
[02:16] <Cheesehead> DarwinSurvivor: True, but then are we guilty of North-America-centrism?
[02:16] <DarwinSurvivor> not if there is no interrest outside of north ameria
[02:16] <DarwinSurvivor> *america
[02:17] <philipballew> What time will these be in regular people time?
[02:17] <DarwinSurvivor> if someone from europe/china/japan/africa/etc wants to attend, we can try to work the schedule to accomodate them
[02:17] <DarwinSurvivor> philipballew: define "regular people time" :P
[02:17] <philipballew> This is going to sound bad now
[02:17] <Cheesehead> I think some time-shifting (morning and evening) will be needed. That;s one option.
[02:17] <philipballew> California Time
[02:18] <DarwinSurvivor> well, that works for me! (british columbia)
[02:18] <Cheesehead> Well, 0500 in CA is 2200 in Tokyo
[02:18] <DarwinSurvivor> although we really should post everything in UTC, so people only need to convert once.
[02:19] <Cheesehead> But evening people in CA and morning people in JP get annoyed by that.
[02:19] <Cheesehead> (I'm a morning person)
[02:19] <DarwinSurvivor> when do we find out who is interrested?
[02:19] <Cheesehead> Agreed, final time posting will be in UTC - that's an accepted standard in the community
[02:19] <Cheesehead> DarwinSurvivor: Ah, there;s the rub
[02:19] <DarwinSurvivor> do we get some notice, or do they just "show up"?
[02:19] <Cheesehead> Show up
[02:20] <DarwinSurvivor> ah....
[02:20] <DarwinSurvivor> how is it advertised?
[02:20] <philipballew> i will blog to the planet
[02:20] <Cheesehead> Well, blog, planet, fridge, IRC Chatter, e-mail, etc. Everything except TV.
[02:20] <DarwinSurvivor> so it's just everyone personally sending out where-ever?
[02:21] <DarwinSurvivor> will there be anything on the ubuntu site? other than the fridge
[02:21] <Cheesehead> Ubuntu site?
[02:22] <Cheesehead> I think most of our interested folks keep an eye on the planet, UWN, and their favorite team meetings.
[02:22] <DarwinSurvivor> basically, is canonical going to be doing any announcements about upcoming training sessions, or is it 100% up to us?
[02:22] <Cheesehead> 100% us
[02:22] <Cheesehead> Anything from Canonical is a bonus.
[02:23] <Cheesehead> It's not their project.
[02:23] <philipballew> it wont happen from them
[02:23] <Cheesehead> philipballew: We don;t know that.
[02:23] <philipballew> I guess not
[02:23] <DarwinSurvivor> ok
[02:24] <Cheesehead> Sure, we could launch a "Hey, Jono, please blog about this"..and he probably would. But is that going to get any extra participants on board?
[02:24] <DarwinSurvivor> does anyone remember that site we used a while back to pick meeting times? (voting for time slots)
[02:25] <Cheesehead> I'm heading off to bed in a minute. We don't need to decide this tonight. Just think about the issues - how can we plan the times for maximum participation and minimum confusion?
[02:26] <Cheesehead> (and take a look at that wiki link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects to see if the general flow makes sense)
[02:26] <philipballew> it looks good.
[02:27] <philipballew> what is going to be the governing structure here you think?
[02:27] <Cheesehead> structure?
[02:27] <philipballew> well we have people in charge here, or will it be more all in charge?
[02:28] <Cheesehead> Well, me have a lot of polite people here, too.
[02:28] <Cheesehead> My topics involve a lot of sharing, so I plan to use that gregariousness
[02:29] <Cheesehead> I also plan to have a shill in the audience to help keep things flowing the right direction
[02:30] <Cheesehead> PLus, if needed, the channel can be moderated
[02:30] <Cheesehead> Am I addressing structure?
[02:33] <Cheesehead> I wonder about Dec 6 and Dec 20. They are closely related. I must ask them if they want to build on each other's session, or if I should split them up.
[02:33]  * Cheesehead yawns
[02:33] <Cheesehead> Ah, my toothbrush is calling. Good night!
[02:34]  * Cheesehead departs
[06:46] <benonsoftware> Hello all
[07:05] <valorie> hi folks -- I'm willing to do my session any time, or twice, or whatever works
[07:06] <valorie> I"m NOT a morning person, but I'll prepare
[07:06] <valorie> and if it's 5am, I'll go back to bed afterwards
[07:06] <valorie> :-)
[07:15] <valorie> of course, I would prefer afternoons and evenings my time, PDT
[07:16] <benonsoftware> kkkl
[07:16] <benonsoftware> Sorry
[10:03]  * Cheesehead reads scrollback and sees valorie's input. Thanks.
[13:51] <NRWlion> hey there
[13:51] <jrgifford> hello NRWlion!
[23:43] <Cheesehead> pleia2: Thanks for the classroom e-mail response. That's exactly what I needed to update the "Guidance for Trainers" wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects . Do you mind if I copy-and-paste your description of the three IRC channels?


[08:13] <Saviq> Morn'
[09:29] <alan_g[m]> Anything in-flight we want to land before starting a 2.12 branch?
[09:39] <Saviq> Don't think so, no
[10:56] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2788](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2788): UdevWrapperDeathTest.DereferencingEndReturnsInvalidObject getting stuck in CI... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/8941d629ba4c8dda618c56c4ac018eb8b67697c3>)
[11:58] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2787](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2787): Drop fake-mir-kiosk.sh - it is obsolete and contains bashisms
[12:08] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [pull request #2770](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2770): examples/miral-kiosk/fake-mir-kiosk.sh: Contains bashisms, thus use /…
[12:25] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #2789](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2789): Release 2.12.0
[12:29] <alan_g[m]> Oh! there's the pp64el failures to look at too
[16:35] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths marked [pull request #2789](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2789): Release 2.12.0 as ready for review
[17:09] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** OPNA2608 pushed something to [pull request #2786](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2786): Better concatenation for pkg-config values, better use of GNUInstallDirs variables
[17:32] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [issue #2790](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2790): [Xwayland] "surface observer should have been deleted, but was not"... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/acf4b8aa7aa1540d2e2a7f2955f261540b045e65>)
[17:41] <Saviq> Good night o/


[05:56] <White_Light> Is it possible to relax the dependency on the header files from openssl 1.1.0g to 1.0.2g? Currently 16.04 and 17.10 cannot install mainline header files
[08:53] <apw> White_Light, presumably that dependency is there because the build related binaries in there are linked to openssl -- i assume that there is an abi break in the ssl library
[10:00] <mamarley> Yes, there is definitely an ABI break between OpenSSL 1.0.x and 1.1.x.
[17:21] <White_Light> that's a shame, I believe (relatively) a lot of people run those mainline builds on 16.04 and 17.10
[17:21] <White_Light> wish there would have been a heads up about that breakage
[19:39] <apw> White_Light, they are not really intended for anything other than testing, running them long term is not recommended
[19:43] <apw> White_Light, the problem with later kernels is they need to be built with later packages, which cause issues on the older releases
[21:24] <White_Light> apw, well they are a big reason why I stick to ubuntu, but I guess I'll just compile my own kernels now


[00:15] <ivoks> kirkland: thank you! :D
[00:15] <kirkland> ivoks: no problem
[00:15] <kirkland> ivoks: on your bash patch
[00:15] <kirkland> ivoks: i recommend fixing the bashism
[00:15] <kirkland> ivoks: rather than using /bin/bash ;-)
[00:15] <kirkland> ivoks: but not a blocker
[00:15] <ivoks> kirkland: i'll do that once it is in main
[00:15] <ivoks> or universe
[00:16] <ivoks> i just need features in before FF
[00:27] <ivoks> that's it from me for today, see you tomorrow
[00:35] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, how can I see all the VM's created using virt-manager with virsh?
[00:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: virsh list ?
[00:36] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, yeah I do that but does not work
[00:36] <RoAkSoAx> i mean
[00:36] <RoAkSoAx> does not list anything
[00:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sudo virsh list ?
[00:36] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, not even sudoing
[00:37] <RoAkSoAx> that's why I ask :)
[00:38] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sorry, i don't know
[00:38] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: you might ask in #virt on irc.oftc.net
[00:39] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ok will do... thanks :)
[00:48] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, btw.. I did create /patch/to/xml/file, which is the xml file that was created by virt-manager and now it is showed
[00:48] <RoAkSoAx> i guess there's a but there
[00:50] <RoAkSoAx> s/but/bug
[00:50]  * bihuhn (Away Grund : Auto Away nach 60 min | Pager : OFF )
[01:03] <Roxyhart0> hi there i am blackilist frequenly (my server is NAT) and i got few users at the moment. there are any change that my server got virus?
[02:01] <Roxyhart0> hi, how i can run a C program, i mean program.C?
[02:03] <Insyte> Roxyhart0: It needs to be compiled.
[02:03] <Insyte> Roxyhart0: At its simplest, that's done by running 'gcc -o program program.c'
[02:04] <Insyte> But that assumes a lot about how the program was written.
[02:04] <Insyte> It can be quite a bit more complex.
[02:06] <twb> If I had to describe how most programs are written, it would be "badly"
[02:06] <Insyte> Or "drunkenly"
[02:07] <Roxyhart0> :S
[02:16] <cef> Any libvirt people: Does libvirt have an upstart script in Lucid?
[02:16] <cef> (as apposed to karmic)
[02:23] <twb> cef: apt-file should tell you
[02:25] <twb> oooh, libvirt-bin no longer depends on crappy ol' hal
[02:27] <cef> twb: I'm currently using karmic, which is why I'm asking.. trying to decide if I upgrade this kvm host to lucid and work on a bridging issue (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/495394 )
[02:27] <twb> cef: you can get the file list from packages.u.c, too
[02:46] <cef> twb: arggg.. for whatever reason when I looked at that yesterday, I missed the 'list of files' bit. *sigh*
[02:47] <twb> cef: np
[02:47] <cef> hrm.. now, do I upgrade this machine to lucid? hrmmmm
[02:48] <twb> ubottu: karmic->lucid
[02:48] <twb> Crappy bot
[02:48] <cef> it's not running production or anything
[02:48] <twb> !upgrade
[02:48] <cef> oh I know how to upgrade. :P
[02:48] <cef> only upgraded to karmic on this box a week ago. ;)
[02:49] <twb> If your way involve dist-upgrade, that's not the official way
[02:49] <twb> But I can't remember what the "right" way in Ubuntu is, since it's some damn silly separate tool
[02:49] <cef> nup, using do-release-upgrade, after installing update-manager-core
[02:49] <twb> Ah, sorry, I misread you "do I upgrade" as "how do I upgrade"
[02:50] <cef> <-- no desktop install on said box
[02:50] <cef> ;)
[02:50] <cef> not enough coffee eh?
[02:50] <twb> cef: I'm still absorbing it
[02:52] <cef> hrm, upgrade I guess and then time to seriously learn about upstart
[02:57] <JanC> dist-upgrade works fine too, if you're prepared to do all the work that do-release-upgrade does by hand  ;)
[02:58] <twb> JanC: but how do you know what that work is?
[02:58] <twb> Do you RTFS of update-manager?
[02:58] <ja660k> hey, can someone give a guide as how to a printer and cups??
[02:58] <ja660k> set up a printer*
[02:58] <twb> ja660k: have you already tried the ubuntu-serverguide?
[02:59] <ja660k> uhh?
[02:59] <ja660k> i dont think so
[02:59] <JanC> twb: I've used it (through aptitude or synaptic) when the official way didn't work (on a system that had lots of non-official packages etc.)
[03:00] <JanC> just check what it wants to do, and if you don't like it, try to find why it's doing it, add/remove offending packges, repeat  ;)
[03:01] <twb> How do you check what it wants to do?  Or by "it" do you mean aptitude?
[03:01] <JanC> but if possible I use the recommended way too of course
[03:01]  * twb installs update-manager-core in a pbuilder chroot
[03:01] <JanC> twb: when you use it interactively it shows what will be removed etc.
[03:01] <JanC> and yes I mean aptitude/synaptic/...
[03:02] <JanC> after I saw the official way tried to remove half of what I used  ;-)
[03:02] <JanC> worst example of that was on a desktop anyway
[03:02] <twb> JanC: I'm perfectly happy to full-upgrade by hand, since that's what I've been doing since Woody.  But I want to upgrade documentation to tell me what the transition edge cases are, instead of just saying "use this wizard and hope it all works"
[03:03] <JanC> they can't document all edge cases, as they don't know what unofficial packages you have
[03:03] <ja660k> is there anything i need to enable in order to use ssh tunneling to my server as socks5 host?
[03:03] <JanC> and nobody can test all combinations of official packages either
[03:04] <twb> JanC: I mean I want them to document known edge cases -- i.e. I want the Debian upgrade process, not the hand-holdy Ubuntu desktop upgrade process.
[03:04] <JanC> twb: I agree documenting what update-manager does would be useful
[03:04] <JanC> even if it were only on soem wiki page
[03:04] <twb> If nothing else, there should be an update-manager-core --dry-run --verbose
[03:07] <twb> It looks like the only thing there is "-s, --sandbox         Test upgrade with a sandbox aufs overlay"
[03:07] <JanC> twb: the GUI version shows you what it's going to do before actually doing it, so shouldn't be too difficult to implement?
[03:07] <twb> There's a --proposed, but it looks like it doesn't DTRT
[03:07] <twb> JanC: NFI.
[03:09] <JanC> it shows what new packages will be installed, what packages will be removed, what packages will be upgraded
[03:10] <JanC> if on a GNOME desktop it wants to remove all of GNOME, you know it's time to do amanual upgrade  ;)
[03:11] <JanC> same should be possible on the CLI-version for servers IMHO
[03:11] <cef> btw: 'do-release-upgrade' does that as well
[03:12] <cef> no idea if it has other options (eg: show what will be done, etc)
[03:12] <twb> Well, let's try it in a scratch hardy chroot
[03:12] <twb> The lucid chroot failed because, obviously, there wasn't anything to upgrade to :-)
[03:13] <cef> twb: heh.. I'm actually about to upgrade this karmic host to lucid, so I guess I'll find out soon enough
[03:15] <genii> I am looking at Intel fibre network cards... would anyone know about Pro/1000 XF (pci-x) or the Pro/1000 PF (pci-e)  ? I have boards with both these ports
[03:18] <twb> Looks like update-manager needs an internet connection, too -- you can't just give it a lucid debmirror.
[03:18] <twb> That means I can't use it on my secure sites, at least.
[03:19] <cef> twb: doh!
[03:19] <twb> Haha, and a ^C causes the app to backtrace instead of exiting cleanly
[03:19] <twb> Crappy python crap
[03:20] <twb> And the prompt says "Continue [yN]", but just hitting enter isn't the same as N
[03:20] <Roxyhart0>  HI I am getting error to join the domain and do wbinfo:  http://pastebin.com/dbf34dcb any idea?
[03:21] <twb> It's also interesting on Hardy, it seems to assume that I'm doing LTS -> LTS, because unless I supply --devel-release, it claims there's no release after hardy.
[03:23] <cef> will just scp my vm guests to a backup machine before I upgrade this vm host to lucid methinks ;)
[03:24] <twb> Haha, ^C-ing do-release-upgrade leaves sources.list in a fucked-up state.
[03:27] <twb> I can't work out why, but even if I restore sources.list and aptitude update, it still can't see packages from hardy.  I was gonna install man(1) so I could read the do-update-manager manpage.
[03:27] <cef> twb: it's a python script btw
[03:27] <twb> Which is a waste of time, because it has no manpage.  Fucking idiots...
[03:29] <cef> yeah, no man page in karmic either
[03:29] <twb> If this was Debian, that would be a policy violation.
[03:34] <cef> hrm, looks like libvirt 0.7.6 might solve the bridge not being up issue, or at least, without fscking with upstart scripts.. hrmm oh well.
[03:37] <twb> cef: ow ow ow ow ow -- guess what else it does.
[03:37] <twb> cef: it ignores your local, unmetere, FAST mirror and always uses archive.ubuntu.com
[03:38] <cef> twb: that iis fixed in jaunty+ at least
[03:38] <cef> it used my approxx mirror
[03:38] <twb> cef: hmm, do you have that in /etc/apt/sources.list, or in a sources.list.d/foo file?
[03:38] <twb> Maybe it doesn't understand the former
[03:39] <cef> apt/sources.list
[03:39] <twb> Oh well.
[03:39] <cef> I think it didn't use it prior to jaunty
[03:40] <twb> Certainly looks like update-manager-core is waaay too flaky for me to use for LTS->LTS upgrade
[03:45] <cef> they should backport a later version back to hardy before lucid ships, at any rate
[03:46] <twb> Well, I don't turn on backports for production servers.
[03:46] <twb> Because new versions = new bugs
[03:47] <Roxyhart0> twb do you have any ide about my problem?  http://pastebin.com/dbf34dcb any idea?
[03:47] <twb> It's not like a server needs a stupidly new firefox 3.5 :-)
[03:47] <cef> no as in backport the script into main - as in traditional meaning of backport, rather than a repo meaning
[03:48] <twb> cef: oh, right
[03:48] <cef> :P
[03:55] <ehnde> is there a way to block port scanners from my server?
[03:55] <twb> ehnde: unplug it
[03:56] <ehnde> and...just saw an entry in my apache access.log coming from something trying to find an zencart vulnerability :|
[03:57] <cef> ehnde: you can use an iptables firewall, but it won't block someone who hits the right port
[03:57] <twb> cef: depends if you mean xtables -m dscan
[03:57] <cef> twb: yeah, but if it's a public webserver on port 80.. welll
[03:57] <twb> ehnde: such a log entry isn't generated by port scanning.
[03:57] <ehnde> two different episodes twb
[03:58] <Roxyhart0> hi just a question can you read that because i think i am invisible?
[03:58] <twb> cef: if you're having iptables *detect port scanning*, you can use that to selectively blacklist access from that IP -- including access to the otherwise open port 80
[03:58] <cef> Roxyhart0: you're not invisible.. I just don't know the answer to your question, sorry!
[03:58] <Roxyhart0> thanks
[03:58] <cef> twb: yeqah, assuming they hit a different port first. but yes, I agree, that would work
[03:59] <twb> Sorry, it's -m psd, not -m dscan
[03:59] <twb> I don't know how reliable it is; I've never deployed it.
[04:00] <twb> From the manpage, I get the impression that psd will only detect sequential probing of a large port range.
[04:00] <twb> So e.g. a typical port knocker won't inadvertently trip it
[04:02] <Roxyhart0> nad sombody know how i can install a package which is .tar i got samba 3.4.5 package in tar format
[04:03] <lifeless> thats not a package for ubuntu
[04:03] <lifeless> its either a bsd package (can't use) or its a source tarball (need to package it up)
[04:04] <twb> lifeless: what isn't?
[04:04] <ehnde> Address <IP_ADDRESS> maps to asus.bmstu.ru, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT!
[04:04] <MTecknology> what's the tool that shows me a pretty graph of where my network usage is going?
[04:04] <ehnde> i'd love to somehow blacklist stuff like that
[04:04] <twb> MTecknology: rrdtool?  Munin?  Cacti?
[04:04] <lifeless> twb: what Roxyhart0, the personal that asked the question, is asking about.
[04:04] <Roxyhart0> i just download it from ubuntu
[04:04] <twb> lifeless: oh, sorry, I have /ignored Roxyhart0.
[04:04] <MTecknology> twb: nope, is was a pretty little cli tool, showed source/dest/usage
[04:04] <Roxyhart0> yes so i am invisible for you
[04:05] <twb> MTecknology: by "cli" do you mean it emits an image file, or do you mean it's an interactive ncurses UI?
[04:06] <Roxyhart0> sorry i just download this package because i have a bug and the guys from ubuntu-log told me i should instal samba 3.4.5 but i dont know how to do it. I just download form whe webpage a tar file. any idea ?
[04:06] <MTecknology> twb: ncurses
[04:06] <twb> MTecknology: I got no idea.
[04:10] <MTecknology> twb: any ideas what the cause would be?
[04:11] <MTecknology> twb: any ideas what that tool is called? I just forgot the name ***
[04:11] <twb> MTecknology: nope, sorry
[04:12] <MTecknology> twb: I remember exactly what it looks like; but for the life of me, I can't remember the name
[04:12] <twb> MTecknology: try feeding debtags and keywords into aptitude's filter.
[04:12] <twb> aptitude search ~dgraph~dtraffic~Gcurses or so
[04:16] <MTecknology> gah.. I used this last time to find who was doing a dos attack on my system...
[04:19] <MTecknology> jnettop
[04:19] <MTecknology> there!
[04:19] <twb> I hope that j doesn't designate java
[04:19] <MTecknology> no
[04:31] <MTecknology> is it possible to limit use of a port based on IP?
[04:32] <twb> Anybody seen this failure before?  I'm trying to install syslinux in a lucid chroot.  http://pastebin.com/f1ade18c
[04:34] <twb> Hmm, maybe it's whatever live-helper is doing AFTER syslinux is installed?
[05:20] <Roxyhart0> him one question the first time when i was setting samba wbinfo -u was working but i uninstall winbind and install again and it does work any more. maybe i miss some package?
[05:34] <cef> ok, upgrading this karmic box to lucid. wish me luck!
[05:59] <lenios> good luck!
[06:05] <cef> hrm, no workie. couldn't configure pre-depend for libplymouth2 for mountall
[06:15] <twb> The lucid images I'm building switch to an 80x30 framebuffer when booting.  This breaks qemu -curses -- how do I turn it off?
[06:16] <twb> If I try vga=normal, the kernel segfaults.
[06:24] <cef> hrm, another bug to follow for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/514012
[06:30] <twb> "[   18.699679] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30"
[06:44] <kaushal> hi
[06:44] <kaushal> is there a way to download only particular repositoties
[06:45] <cef> twb: btw: known alpha2 bug is that it leaves the fb device up after a boot, and you need to switch the VT *sigh*
[06:46] <twb> cef: that's a different issue
[06:46] <cef> ahh ok.. thought it might be related
[06:46] <twb> I don't have X, I don't have ubuntu-minimal, I don't even have a root filesystem
[06:46] <cef> it happens on server specifically btw
[06:46] <twb> I boot a kernel and a ramdisk, and *even when I tell it not to*, it loads vga16fb
[06:46] <twb> This is with the -generic kernel
[06:47] <twb> Lemme pastebin for you
[06:47] <cef> yeah afaik it's not specific to -server kernel.. it's something to do with the initrd.img I think
[06:48] <twb> They might be related errors, but I'm not convinced it's the same error
[06:49] <cef> Bug #506297 (from Known Issues @ http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2 fwiw)
[06:50] <twb> http://pastebin.com/f30a1022b
[06:53] <cef> actually that might be another thing I saw.. something about lucid images not booting in kvm .. or was it UEC? hrm
[06:56] <twb> Also, WTF is the point of making a swap partition IN RAM?
[06:56] <twb> sed 1d /proc/swaps ==> /dev/ramzswap0 partition 29632 0 100
[07:01] <twb> cef: I just checked, and sending ctrl-alt-f1 to the screen after vga16fb is loaded doesn't help -- as expected, it's enabling the framebuffer on all ttys
[07:01] <cef> twb: ugh
[07:01] <twb> It wouldn't normally matter, because you're looking at an analogue signal anyway
[07:02] <twb> But because I'm in qemu, I can get 80x25 console visible as text, which you can just copy/paste.  That's not the case for vga/vesa framebuffers
[07:04] <cef> ok, I'm off home.. have fun ppl!
[07:05] <twb> So now I try to reproduce this with a Debian kernel, so I can report it to them instead of using launchpad...
[07:22] <Roxyhart0> hi guys i got saba 3.4.5 and i want to install on ubuntu 9.10 somebody know how to do that?
[07:30] <ivoks> ttx: morning
[07:30] <ttx> ivoks: yo
[07:31] <ivoks> ttx: could you sponsor two of my packages?
[07:32] <ttx> ivoks: shoot
[07:32] <ivoks> ttx: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ha/+archive/lucid-cluster
[07:32] <ivoks> corosync and openais
[07:42] <Roxyhart0> hi guys please help how i can install samba 3.4.5 in ubuntu
[07:42] <twb> Fuck, this problem is Ubuntu-specific
[07:42] <twb> So now I have to fight apport and/or malone's mail gateway
[07:43] <Roxyhart0> twb what mean you "Fuck"?
[07:45] <Roxyhart0> i am a lady please respect!
[07:47] <ttx> ivoks: for corosync, quilt is no longer needed, you prefer to keep it in ?
[07:47] <ivoks> hm...
[07:47] <ivoks> yes, keep it, so that we don't add diff to debian
[07:47] <ttx> ok
[07:47] <ivoks> this is something that should be fixed there
[07:47] <ivoks> iirc
[07:47] <ivoks> oh
[07:47] <ivoks> no!
[07:48] <ttx> you removed the last patch :)
[07:48] <ivoks> i added quilt
[07:48] <ivoks> :D
[07:48] <twb> Hey, guess what else is retarded?
[07:48] <ttx> ok, removing
[07:48] <ivoks> i woke up 20 minutes ago..
[07:48] <twb> postinst scripts that call start(8) instead of invoke-rc.d(8), and thus IGNORE POLICY-RC.D
[07:53] <Bacta> Am I allowed to speak in this channel if I don't run Ubuntu as a server?
[07:54] <ball> Bacta: Hopefully, otherwise I'd be gagged too.
[07:54] <Bacta> :P
[07:54] <Bacta> Good
[07:54] <Bacta> I got a +q in +1 for apparently not running lucid
[07:56] <JanC> most likely it was for asking questions that weren't relevant for lucid
[07:56] <JanC> and doing so repeatedly
[07:56] <Bacta> JanC: I didn't say or do anything :P An op there hated me, found out what distro I was using and banned me
[07:56] <Bacta> Then felt bad and made it a +q ;)
[07:57]  * ttx uploads 2 minutes before EOD westcoast time
[07:58] <ivoks> ttx: wait... that's it? :)
[07:59] <ttx> corosync done
[07:59] <ivoks> it's 10PM on tahiti :)
[07:59] <ttx> openais in progress
[07:59] <ivoks> thanks
[07:59] <ttx> I'd have difficulties to prove I'm on tahiti.
[07:59] <twb> Sigh.  So "apport-cli" apparently sent a bug to ubuntu, but I can't open the URL it gave me without digging out my stupid account details
[07:59] <ttx> aloha
[07:59] <ivoks> :)
[08:00] <ttx> openais uploaded
[08:01] <ivoks> thank you
[08:01] <ttx> ivoks: now if you need more you need a Tahitian coredev :)
[08:01] <ivoks> :)
[08:01] <ttx> (or a FFe) :P
[08:01] <ivoks> FFe from now on...
[08:01] <ttx> you should at least apply for ha stack upload rights
[08:02] <ivoks> i'll apply for core dev
[08:02] <ivoks> this is silly...
[08:02] <ttx> it's not as if I tested those better than you did :)
[08:08] <ivoks> now, that's great...
[08:09] <ivoks> all that's left now is wait for MIRs to get accepted and then upload new rhcs, ocfs2-tools and lvm and finally demote parts of rhcs :)
[08:10] <baffle> ivoks: Oh, you've created all the MIRs? :)
[08:10] <baffle> Or, well, ttx. :)
[08:11] <ivoks> baffle: turns out, 99% of them weren't needed
[08:11] <ivoks> but don't tell that anyone, cause i'll look stupid
[08:11] <ivoks> :)
[08:11] <baffle> ivoks: Is there really a functioning cluster in Karmic? I have it *running* on a set of machines, but it seems a bit.. Off...
[08:11] <baffle> ivoks: :-)
[08:11] <baffle> ivoks: (I figure since you have been working with cluster for lucid you might know the state of 9.10)
[08:11] <ivoks> baffle: rhcs isn't really maintained, and pacemaker in karmic was still non working solution
[08:12] <baffle> ivoks: Hmm, okay.. Because what I have now seems to be a bit hit'n'miss..
[08:12] <ivoks> but lucid should have gfs2, ocfs2, clvmd and lots of other goodies with pacemaker
[08:13] <baffle> ivoks: It seems to be using corosync.. But it takes many minutes to get it to actually join the cluster, and on a different setup clvm doesn't work and all.
[08:13] <ivoks> corosync is just one part of the story
[08:13] <ivoks> both pacemaker and rhcs use it
[08:13] <ivoks> clvm on the other hand, in karmic, is compiled with support only for rhcs2
[08:14] <baffle> ivoks: And it also seems LVM does not fall back to local locking when I've set up cluster locking? Wich is a problem since I have / on a local LVM VG. Wich means servers won't boot, since there is no cluster at initramfs stage.
[08:14] <ivoks> that should all be fixed in lucid
[08:14] <baffle> ivoks: Great.
[08:15] <ivoks> i've seen that bug report of your complains on irc
[08:15] <baffle> ivoks: Is it working in Lucid now, or are you waiting for the MIRs?
[08:15] <ivoks> i'll look into it, once everything is there
[08:15] <ivoks> at the moment, i don't consider we have clvm at all :)
[08:15] <baffle> ivoks: I don't think I ever got aroudn to reporting a proper bug, since I haven't digged enough into it to be 100% sure it isn't PEBKAC.
[08:15] <ivoks> baffle: clvm stuff? not yet... we need to recompile it with support for corosync
[08:16] <baffle> ivoks: Oh, so clvm doesn't use corosync? What does clvm use in Karmic?
[08:16] <ivoks> ttx: could you that for me? :)
[08:16] <ivoks> ttx: i could send you a patch and you would patch this loveley small meaningless package, called lvm
[08:16] <ttx> huh
[08:16] <ivoks> :)
[08:17] <ttx> ...no :)
[08:17] <ivoks> ok... i'll ask kees then
[08:17] <ttx> key to survival is to stay away from big predators.
[08:17] <ivoks> :)
[08:18] <ivoks> depends how you see surviving
[08:18] <ivoks> just staying alive or taking other lives :D
[08:18] <twb> Man, I'm confused
[08:18] <twb> Did remoras work out how to get on IRC?
[08:21] <ivoks> well, see you later
[08:41] <acalvo> anyone can recommend an online log viewer for a centralised rsyslog server? (something like splunk but open-source)
[08:41] <twb> logcheck
[08:42] <twb> logwatch if you enjoy writing perl modules or having critical security events silently discarded
[08:42] <acalvo> I'll check both options
[09:13] <tsimpson> Bacta: I remind you to keep channel topics in mind
[09:19] <RoyK> hrmf. if I mount an nfs filesystem and the server dies, it seems the client needs to be rebooted after the server comes up. volume is mounted with -o rw,bg,intr,soft
[09:21] <qman__> yeah, I have that same problem with my nfs mounts
[09:23] <qman__> never really looked into it because the server doesn't go down that often
[09:24] <RoyK> doesn't matter, really. the connection should reopen
[09:24] <RoyK> not just hang
[09:25] <jiboumans> morning
[09:28] <ivoks> morning
[09:29] <RoyK> morning
[09:35] <nijaba> good morning
[09:38] <soren> jiboumans: 'morning.
[09:38] <jiboumans> hey soren, how's life?
[09:39] <soren> jiboumans: Much better now, thanks.
[09:40] <qman__> I just ran chkrootkit on all my servers, and on my router it detected dhclient3 and dhcpd3 as packet sniffers
[09:40] <huayra> I got an instance with Vanilla Ubuntu Server LTS 8.04 with nothing else than SSH
[09:40] <qman__> is this a false positive/normal, or do I have a problem?
[09:40] <huayra> is there an easy way to install the LAMP stack?
[09:41] <huayra> I had hoped to get it finished out of the box, but I didn't...
[09:41] <qman__> huayra, sudo tasksel install lamp
[09:41] <huayra> Anyone can point to a how-to or give me the apt-get install list
[09:41] <huayra> qman__, you rule!
[09:41] <huayra> thx
[09:41] <huayra> it gives me some locale failure
[09:42] <huayra> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[09:42] <huayra> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[09:42] <huayra> 	LANGUAGE = (unset),
[09:42] <huayra> 	LC_ALL = (unset),
[09:42] <huayra> 	LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
[09:42] <huayra>     are supported and installed on your system.
[09:42] <huayra> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[09:42] <acalvo> huayra: pastebin please
[09:43] <qman__> huayra, sudo apt-get install language-pack-en (or whichever language you use)
[09:43] <huayra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/378942/
[09:46] <huayra> thanks a lot. it was lamp-server
[09:46] <huayra> ;)
[09:46] <huayra> this community makes me believe!
[09:46] <huayra> :)
[09:48] <Cybert1nus> I've moved my Ubuntu Server install from one partition to another. I have a seperate /boot partition. I've done this before (with the same install) and then it worked. Now it doesn't. When I boot Grub2 works fine, but during the boot Linux can't find the root filesystem. I've checked the UUID it wants to mount, and it is the correct one. So it looks like my InitRD has lost the RAID drivers or something (I'm running on softraid level 1). Anybody any advi
[09:48] <Cybert1nus> but I checked /proc/modules and the raid1 module gets loaded
[09:49] <henkjan> huayra: sudo locale-gen en_US.UTF-8
[09:49] <ivoks> would someone sponsor my amavisd-new-postfix thingie?
[09:50] <Cybert1nus> I also updated /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf with the new situation and /etc/fstab too
[09:51]  * ivoks looking for core devs
[09:58] <ivoks> anyone? small feature before FF?
[09:58] <ivoks> http://www.init.hr/dev/amavisd-new.debdiff <- it isn't that scary :)
[09:59] <Cybert1nus> when I run update-grub on a LiveCD (I've mounted my Ubuntu install on it, and chrooted to it) I get the error "Cannot find list of partitions!". I've Googled for this error, but nothing simular to my problem came up, only really old stuff (Ubuntu 6.06 :S). I don't know if it has something to do with my problem?
[09:59] <ivoks> why would you update grub on live cd?
[10:00] <ivoks> CD is a read only medium
[10:00] <Cybert1nus> I know
[10:00] <ivoks> you can't update anything
[10:00] <Cybert1nus> but I boot a live CD, and then mount my Ubuntu install and update Grub in my Ubuntu install ;)
[10:01] <ivoks> you chroot before you run update grub?
[10:01] <Cybert1nus> yes
[10:02] <ivoks> you mounted all dirs?
[10:02] <Cybert1nus> yes
[10:02] <ivoks> so, this is how i would do it:
[10:02] <Cybert1nus> all my partitions, /dev and /proc
[10:02] <ivoks> sudo mount /dev/sdXY /mnt
[10:02] <ivoks> sudo mount -t sysfs /mnt/sys
[10:02] <ivoks> sudo mount -t proc /mnt/proc
[10:02] <ivoks> sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[10:02] <ivoks> sudo update-grub2
[10:03] <ivoks> i'd also run:
[10:03] <ivoks> sudo update-initramfs -k all
[10:03] <ivoks> and then update-grub
[10:06] <Cybert1nus> hmm, trying that now ivoks
[10:07] <Cybert1nus> I didn't mount sysfs
[10:07] <Cybert1nus> and update-initramfs -k all -u I didn't run
[10:08] <Cybert1nus> updated everything, rebooting now :)
[10:11] <Cybert1nus> ivoks: it didn't work :(, my /root device still can't be found :(
[10:11] <ivoks> does it drop to the busybox?
[10:11] <Cybert1nus> yeah
[10:12] <acalvo> just to know your opinion: I've a bunch of ubuntu server 9.04 running with some services (apache2, openldap, samba, mysql...). I know that maybe it wasn't the best move to install a non-LTS system. My question is, is it worth (and safe) to upgrade to 9.10 and then to the next LTS (10.04 I assume)?
[10:12] <ivoks> acalvo: don't
[10:12] <ivoks> wait for lts
[10:13] <ivoks> Cybert1nus: and your root is?
[10:13] <acalvo> ivoks: ok, seems fine. thanks
[10:13] <ivoks> Cybert1nus: /dev/...?
[10:13] <Cybert1nus> ivoks: /dev/md3
[10:13] <ivoks> Cybert1nus: and is there /dev/md3?
[10:13] <Cybert1nus> no
[10:14] <ivoks> how about lsmod
[10:14] <Cybert1nus> command not found
[10:14] <ivoks> does it show any modules?
[10:14] <ivoks> cat /proc/modules
[10:14] <Cybert1nus> cat /proc/modules does list modules
[10:14] <Cybert1nus> including the raid1 module
[10:17] <Cybert1nus> any ideas ivoks?
[10:17] <ivoks> Cybert1nus: you are looking for md_mod module
[10:18] <ivoks> and dm_mirror
[10:18] <Cybert1nus> hmm
[10:18] <Cybert1nus> problem found, I would say
[10:18] <Cybert1nus> cat /proc/modules | grep md_
[10:18] <Cybert1nus> doesn't return any lines
[10:19] <Cybert1nus> how to add those? :)
[10:19] <ivoks> try loading it
[10:19] <ivoks> modprobe md_mod
[10:20] <Cybert1nus> done
[10:20] <Cybert1nus> now I've got a lot of md* devices in /dev
[10:21] <ivoks> wait, i have a fire over here
[10:21] <Cybert1nus> no /dev/md3, only /dev/md3_0p1 till /dev/md3_0p4 and /dev/md_d3
[10:21] <Cybert1nus> ok
[10:22] <ivoks> you need to rebuild initramfs
[10:24] <ivoks> boot into live cd, mount patitions and add md_mod to /etc/modules
[10:24] <Cybert1nus> indeed, with md_mod and md_mirro in it
[10:24] <ivoks> and update initramfs
[10:24] <Cybert1nus> ok
[10:24] <Cybert1nus> booting live CD now
[10:24] <ivoks> dm_mirror
[10:24] <ivoks> md_mod
[10:24] <Cybert1nus> indeed, typo ;)
[10:24] <ivoks> take care, got to run
[10:24] <Cybert1nus> ok, good luck
[10:25] <Cybert1nus> thnx for you're help
[10:25] <Cybert1nus> your*
[10:58] <ichat> i have strange problem,  i have a raid set of  4x sata 1tb disks,   -  first partition on all 4 drives is a  1gb  /boot parttion  (raid 1)   -  now when i installed  ubuntu server 9.10 grub fails to install,  when i install  ubuntu-alternate-desktop (text only install)  it works fine...
[10:58] <maxagaz> why nmap isn't installed on ubuntu by default, should i use something else ?
[10:59] <soren> maxagaz: We don't install random utilities like that by default.
[10:59] <soren> maxagaz:
[10:59] <soren> Whoops
[11:00] <maxagaz> soren, nmap, a random utility ?
[11:00] <soren> maxagaz: Yes?
[11:00] <maxagaz> why?
[11:00] <soren> Why what?
[11:01] <soren> Why we don't install them by default?
[11:01] <maxagaz> i mean, what else should I use to check wether a port is opened/filtered/closed ?
[11:02] <soren> nmap
[11:02] <soren> It's the right tool for the job.
[11:02] <maxagaz> ok
[11:02] <soren> That doesn't mean it should be installed by default, though.
[11:06] <maxagaz> where can I check where does fail2ban put the banned addresses ?
[11:07] <liva> soren > id like to understand why it doesn't make sense to have nmap install by default
[11:08] <soren> liva: Becuase it's dead simple to install it when you need it, and there's no need bloating a default install with every little utility that someone finds useful.
[11:08] <maxagaz> it's in the Chain fail2ban-ssh when checking iptables -L, right ?
[11:08] <liva> Ok i understand
[11:08] <soren> liva: If we installed every little utility that someone finds useful, the default install would easily grow to 5 GB.
[11:08] <soren> liva: Or 10.
[11:09] <soren> liva: Or more. I don't know. A lot, for sure.
[11:09] <liva> yep true
[11:10] <liva> maxagaz > yes
[11:46] <Roxyhart0> Hi i got a NAT and some of the client machines are with virus so my domain is blacklisted frequently. there any way to check the packages and stop when a virus is transfer?
[12:07] <Roxyhart0> hi i need to install a antivirus and antisyware for my nat. any diea?
[12:07] <Roxyhart0> idea
[12:10] <soren> clamav is the antivirus thing in Ubuntu.
[12:12] <Roxyhart0> but are not working i got a confiker
[12:15] <soren> Are you using clamav to scan all your traffic?
[12:16] <Roxyhart0> yes but doesnt work
[12:16] <Roxyhart0> or do i need to config something else on clamav
[12:16] <soren> "something else"? What have you done so far?
[12:16] <thafreak> Morning server folks...I'm still wondering if anyone can point me to any docs on how to configure CLVM?
[12:17] <Roxyhart0> it is checking emails but not sure about traffic about HTTP
[12:17] <soren> Do you know how the virus got in?
[12:17] <soren> Well, if you want to scan HTTP traffic you need a proxy of some sort.
[12:17] <soren> Google for squid and clamav, and I'm sure you'll find something useful.
[12:17] <Roxyhart0> because i am blacklist (my domain) many times this week and they say is comming for virus, troyan or blabla
[12:18] <soren> No, /how/ the virus got in. Mail? Web? Something else?
[12:18] <Roxyhart0> web apparently or IRC
[12:21] <Roxyhart0> i got this one http://mtc.sri.com/Conficker/contrib/plugin.html
[12:31] <kaushal> hi
[12:32] <kaushal> while installing ubuntu 8.04 server using net install i get "No root file system is defined" on Dell Poweredge 1950 64 Bit Server
[12:32] <kaushal> i am using pxe install
[12:33] <kaushal> It says Please correct this from paritioning menu
[12:34] <kaushal> and when i click on <Go Back> i dont see that option
[12:34] <kaushal> please suggest
[12:35] <soren> Did you go through the partitioning?
[12:36] <kaushal> soren: i am not able to see that option
[12:36] <kaushal> I am using kickstart
[12:37] <kaushal> shall i pastebin the ks.cfg file ?
[12:41] <soren> I won't be able to make much sense of it anyway.
[12:41] <soren> kaushal: Does it work if you're not using kickstart?
[12:44] <kaushal> soren: yes
[12:48] <soren> kaushal: Ok, try posting your kickstart file.
[12:48] <soren> Gah, /me needs lunch
[12:48] <zul> morning
[12:49] <soren> lies
[12:49] <kaushal> sure
[12:50]  * soren goes to lunch
[12:52] <kaushal> soren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/379041/
[12:54] <Ford121> Hi, I tried to install phpmyadmin from the console but when I goto the URL it downloads a file called download
[12:57] <Ford121> Hi, I tried to install phpmyadmin from the console but when I goto the URL it downloads a file called download
[13:01] <Ford121> come on, please help
[13:05] <Ford121> Hi, I tried to install phpmyadmin from the console but when I goto the URL it downloads a file called download
[13:07] <Ford121> come on, please help
[13:09] <blackbear> where can i find out about a good implimentation of file encryption?
[13:09] <blackbear> do i have to encrypt a whole drive or is it possible to simply do a set of files?
[13:10] <Ford121> Hi, I tried to install phpmyadmin from the console but when I goto the URL it downloads a file called download
[13:23] <liva> Ford121 > then you should download it and check which file is this.
[13:24] <os_> I want to have a digital library that server for sharing ebooks  audiobooks videos with cataloging system what technology is available please  I googled a lot but I came in to situations like ILS(integrated Library System) but I want for storing content
[13:35] <os_> Any one who has seen my question the question about the digital library I just want small hint please a keyword for google search is enough for me , I am waiting for you . People the precious kingdom
[13:37] <mdeslaur> soren: any idea what bug #523589 could be?
[13:38] <soren> mdeslaur: GNOME stuff. Very annoying. Haven't completely tracked it down.
[13:38] <soren> mdeslaur: gdm sets my $LANG to da_DK.utf8 rather than da_DK.UTF-8, like it used to.
[13:39] <soren> mdeslaur: and like it should be doing. No idea why. Yet.
[13:39] <mdeslaur> soren: oh, right...it used to be UTF-8...I though something looked odd about it yesterday
[13:40] <mdeslaur> even locale -a shows utf8
[13:40] <os_> Is any one around among the 204 users or only your clients are there am I in the wrong channel I thought great ideas comes from server guys at least you have faced it at some part of your life or heard about it and I am looking for great  ideas from you
[13:41] <mdeslaur> os_: noone answered you because no one knows of anything to suggest
[13:42] <os_> It is only about digital resource sharing
[13:43] <kaushal> soren: just checking in with you for my query ?
[13:43] <os_> am I wrong to call it digital library I am thinking of implementing it to an educational orgainization and I am looking for possible technology solutionsl
[13:43] <soren> kaushal: I have no idea. Perhaps #ubuntu-install will be of help.
[13:43] <kaushal> soren: Thanks
[13:44] <kaushal> soren: there is no one in that channel :(
[13:44] <kaushal> is that correct ?
[13:48] <os_> As linux server administrator what task's do you do I am new to linux with only 2 years of experience but I can see there is no thing attractive in information technology world what types of tasks are done as a server administrator
[13:48] <soren> kaushal: sorry, #ubuntu-installer
[13:48] <screen-x> os_: Backups, updates, script writing.
[13:49] <os_> like configuring web servers ldap kerberos .... all of nothing is attractive
[13:49] <os_> but is this the only task of admin guy
[13:49] <os_> is there some thing better  I just want to have good time with IT
[13:49] <screen-x> os_: depends entirely on the situation. How big the company is etc.
[13:50] <screen-x> os_: What do you enjoy working on? Once you figure that out, you can look for a suitable job.
[13:51] <os_> but is there some thing attractive I like things like big works innovation and some thing great not routine works
[13:52] <os_> I like computer and I shifted from windows administration to linux  to satisfy myself  but I found nothing special just an overwhelming bunch of configuration files and command line options
[13:52] <os_> I don't know what I can I do on earth
[13:53] <os_> everything seems nonsense  and useless of useless
[13:53] <os_> How do you guy's around the world indulge yourself with your work
[13:53] <screen-x> os_: sounds like your issues are deeper than which OS you are administering.
[13:54] <os_> yeah but  I am interested in computer works
[13:55] <os_> you know even if I master linux still I am left with a lot of things like web integration with windows
[13:55] <os_> hardware
[13:56] <os_> etc what good thing is there on earth
[13:56] <screen-x> os_: you can get apache to authenticate users against AD.
[13:56] <os_> I thing you are guy's around the world from a lot of countries thank's for the internet
[13:57] <os_> but this is a small thing you know what is the next step
[13:57] <os_> How can I work a great thing for myself and the world
[13:57] <os_> I want to bring some relief to the human life
[13:58] <os_> but
[13:58] <smoser> good morning all.
[13:58] <os_> but
[13:58] <os_> good morning  to you too
[13:59] <os_> screen-x are you with me
[13:59] <os_> screen-x: are you with me and the other guys too
[14:00]  * screen-x backs away slowly and points os_ at ##philosophy
[14:01] <swift> hi guys,,, how often is it required for an ubunt server to be updated?
[14:01] <os_> I am having a lot to say but I don't want to shift the purpose of this channel but every one I would like to remind you about yourself
[14:01] <os_> Are you using the LTS version or the other versions
[14:02] <swift> os_ using ubunt 8.04
[14:02] <zul> hey smoser
[14:02] <swift> ubuntu 8.04, LTS
[14:02] <swift> Also, do we need to reboot the server after the updates?
[14:03] <corden> hello guys
[14:03] <os_> I usually update it every 2 to 3 weeks and I reboot it if it is update like kernel update but sorry for not giving solid answer I would to leave it for the other great guys
[14:04] <os_> the guys around in this channel
[14:04] <corden> just want to ask what recommended partition scheme for ubuntu server
[14:04] <corden> any site that you can point
[14:05] <swift> please advise.. great guys
[14:05] <corden> i've used ubuntu quite sometimes now and i want to learn the server side of it.
[14:05] <corden> tnx in advance
[14:07] <screen-x> swift: depends if there was a kernel update
[14:08] <swift> screen-x.. what is the frequency?
[14:08] <swift> i mean... do i need to do this every month?
[14:08] <swift> or is it safe to do it quarterly?
[14:08] <screen-x> corden: I tend to use a boot partition and the rest of the disk with LVM. But with grub2, you may not need a boot partition.
[14:09] <os_> To interrupt Any one who would tell me any software  or web based for digital library content sharing system I prefer web based
[14:09] <swift> screen-x... im trying to get a "best practice" here
[14:09] <os_> this is my last question sorry
[14:10] <screen-x> swift: If you server is internet facing then you definitely need to stau up to date with the updates in the security repos, you can get apticron or something like that to email you when they are available, then only reboot if there is a kernel update involved.
[14:10] <swift> ok
[14:11] <screen-x> os_: resourcespace, greenstone?
[14:11] <corden> screen-x, oic. but i want to experiment with server partitioning
[14:12] <screen-x> corden: LVM is great for that, you can create/delete/shrink/grow LVs, you can move them between disks and do all sorts.
[14:12] <corden> i open lot of informative site but have mix partition scheme
[14:12] <corden> but i guess i will try what you suggested
[14:13] <corden> since i only got 10GB hdd
[14:13] <os_> thank you screen-x now I got a great  keyword to google for this is enough from people like you
[14:13] <os_> Let me copy and paste them to fire fox
[14:13] <corden> and by the way which of the two you use? selinux or apparmor(default)
[14:14] <screen-x> corden: I use apparmor, but I also use virtualisation to separate applications.
[14:16] <corden> ah, separating your lamp, file other type of servers? i uses vbox in vmachine
[14:17] <screen-x> corden: yeah, I'm currently using *cough* vmware, but hope to be able to move to UEC or something kvm based.
[14:18] <corden> :)
[14:18] <corden> ok tnx for the info
[14:20] <blackbear> is there a channel for security / encryption?
[14:23] <swift> guys, what command will tell me the linux distro?
[14:24] <swift> uname -a f\doesnt give the necessary info
[14:24] <soren> lsb_release
[14:24] <swift> No LSB modules are available.
[14:24] <swift> i got that message
[14:26] <soren> That's the Right Way[tm] to do it.
[14:26] <Pici> swift: lsb_release -a
[14:26] <soren> Do you need to do this programatically?
[14:26] <soren> Or are you just poking around from a shell?
[14:26] <swift> shell
[14:26] <swift> bash
[14:26] <soren> swift: /etc/issue usually has a hint.
[14:27] <swift> ok thanks!
[14:27] <swift> got it
[14:27] <heynow> hey all is there a way to inject module mptsas into 8.04 installer?
[14:28] <heynow> 9.10 picks up the controller and loads the modules but not from the LTS installer
[14:28] <jiboumans> zul: morning!
[14:28] <zul> jiboumans: hey
[14:29] <jiboumans> zul: thanks for being flexible; can i give you a call now?
[14:29] <zul> jiboumans: sure
[14:54] <zul> wow
[14:54] <zul> i havent used virt-manager on lucid yet
[15:16] <BeardedChimp> How can I restart the usb system so that udev is forced to redetect the devices without having to reboot the system (n.b. I can't just plug and unplug them)
[15:17] <thafreak> In lucid, will clvm not depend on cman then?
[15:17] <thafreak> I've done some reading and it seems possible to use clvm with openais, but you need to rebuild the clvm package to do that...
[15:17] <BeardedChimp> Oh and I'm running jaunty
[15:18] <thafreak> Since it seems RHCS is being demoted, are there any plans to update clvm?
[15:19] <ivoks> thafreak: yes
[15:21] <thafreak> ivoks: so for lucid, clvm will be able to use openais?
[15:21] <ivoks> thafreak: openais and corosync
[15:21] <thafreak> Is there a bug of blueprint for this I can subscribe to?
[15:21] <thafreak> oops, bug or blueprint
[15:22] <ivoks> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-cluster-stack
[15:22] <ivoks> but there's nothing specific for clvm
[15:24] <thafreak> That's fine...I'll probably hold off on trying to set up clvm until lucid then.
[15:24] <thafreak> Are the changes to clvm in the current alpha?
[15:25] <thafreak> I guess I could get a head start on testing with an alpha...
[15:25] <ivoks> thafreak: nope, it still depends on cman
[15:25] <ivoks> hopefully, this change would get in before alpha3
[15:26] <thafreak> excellent, when's alpha3 scheduled for release?
[15:27] <ivoks> next week
[15:27] <ivoks> but if you want, you could add my ppa and use clvm from there
[15:27] <ivoks> any testing is welcome
[15:27] <thafreak> cool...I may just do that...
[15:28] <thafreak> what's your launchpad id?
[15:28] <ivoks> ivoks
[15:28] <thafreak> ok, wasn't sure if it differed from your irc handle...thanks for your help
[15:33] <ttx> smoser: around ?
[15:41] <ivoks> zul: around?
[15:42] <zul> ivoks: kind of? whats up
[15:43] <ivoks> zul: i was wondering if you would have time to sponsor my amavisd-new-postfix addition for amavisd-new
[15:43] <zul> ivoks: sure
[15:43] <zul> bzr branch or debdiff?
[15:44] <ivoks> debdiff
[15:44] <zul> k url?
[15:44] <ivoks> zul: http://www.init.hr/dev/amavisd-new.debdiff
[15:44] <zul> ivoks: dont you need a ffe?
[15:45] <ivoks> i probably do
[15:45] <ivoks> i'll file it up with the rest of them
[15:45] <zul> ivoks: please do so and then ping me again
[15:46] <ivoks> zul: will do
[15:46] <zul> thanks
[15:47] <ivoks> thafreak: there, clvm is packaged
[15:47] <ivoks> in ppa
[15:47] <thafreak> Cool, thanks!
[15:48] <ivoks> please test it
[15:48] <ivoks> i haven't had time to do that
[15:48] <ivoks>   locking_type not set correctly in lvm.conf, cluster operations will not work.
[15:48] <ivoks> that sounds promissing :)
[15:51] <ivoks> thafreak: i just noticed that ocf is missing
[15:52] <thafreak> ivoks: ocf? as in oracly filesystem?
[15:53] <thafreak> I'm purely interested in clvm, nothing else...
[15:53] <ivoks> no
[15:53] <ivoks> ocf resource, for pacemaker
[15:53] <thafreak> Ah, ok...is that needed for clvm to work?
[15:53] <ivoks> well, if you want to tie it with pacemaker, yes
[15:54] <thafreak> I'm sort of new to this...I've only ever used RHCS on redhat and that was a while ago (and a giant pain)
[15:54] <ivoks> pacemaker is much easier
[15:54] <thafreak> pacemaker, does that do the heartbeat/failover stuff?
[15:54] <ivoks> yes
[15:55] <thafreak> hmm...well I will be interested in that eventually, but not necessarily ATM
[15:55] <thafreak> I'm setting up 2 KVM hosts, with shared iscsi between them...so I want clvm so I can use LV's for vm storage
[15:56] <thafreak> eventually, it'd be nice to support migration if there's hardware failure, and I'm guessing pacemaker would be needed then...
[15:56] <thafreak> but initially, I don't mind doing manual failover...
[15:57] <ivoks> http://oss.clusterlabs.org/pipermail/pacemaker/attachments/20090427/a62cf2ac/attachment.dll
[15:57] <ivoks> there it is
[16:00]  * RoAkSoAx frustrated cause loadbalancers dont loadbalance... I wonder if that's because Im using VMs?
[16:05] <Jeeves__> RoAkSoAx: What are you loadbalancing?
[16:06] <RoAkSoAx> Jeeves__, webservice. I;m actually testing keepalived/ipvsadm to backport latest keepalived to Karmic :)
[16:06] <Jeeves__> RoAkSoAx: You could assume that ipvsadm tries to keep sessions together
[16:07] <RoAkSoAx> Jeeves__, ivpsadm sends directly to inActConn
[16:07] <RoAkSoAx> Jeeves__, you can follow it up here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/496932
[16:08] <RoAkSoAx> however I'm seriously thinking is because I'm using a VM Testing Environment and for some weird reason, ipvsadm is not able to NAT to the real servers
[16:15] <kaushal> hi
[16:15] <kaushal> ivoks, hi again
[16:15] <kaushal> Thanks for your email
[16:16] <kaushal> I have replied you on that email thread
[16:16] <kaushal> please suggest
[16:16] <ivoks> thafreak: http://pastebin.com/m3865011f
[16:17] <ivoks> thafreak: it's doable; next lvm upload will include RA file (OCF)
[16:17] <ivoks> kaushal: i haven't seen your mail
[16:17] <ivoks> kaushal: did you download ubuntu 8.04.4?
[16:17] <kaushal> yes
[16:18] <ivoks> and does installation work?
[16:18] <ivoks> from cd
[16:18] <kaushal> ivoks, it worked fine with 8.04 too
[16:18] <kaushal> I enabled SAS Controller in the bios
[16:18] <ivoks> so, only pxe install doesn't work?
[16:18] <kaushal> yeah
[16:18] <kaushal> i get that message
[16:18] <ivoks> i said, you need to update pxe boot
[16:18] <ivoks> on server that has tftpd
[16:18] <ivoks> it's serving old kernel
[16:19] <ivoks> and when installer starts and connects to internet
[16:19] <ivoks> it looks for modules for that kernel
[16:19] <ivoks> and there are no modules for it
[16:19] <ivoks> therefor it can not find your controler
[16:19] <kaushal> ok
[16:20] <ivoks> is another ubuntu server providing tftp service?
[16:20] <kaushal> are you referring to tftpd /diskless kernel image or /var/www/ubuntu folder structure ?
[16:20] <kaushal> did not understand that
[16:20] <ivoks> kernel image
[16:21] <ivoks>  on my server, it's in /var/lib/tftpboot
[16:21] <ivoks> it's very easy to fix it
[16:21] <ivoks> just remove everything from there
[16:22] <ivoks> and download latest hardy netboot
[16:22] <ivoks> there's a really nice howto
[16:22] <ivoks> https://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install
[16:22] <kaushal> ah you mean netboot image
[16:22] <kaushal> ?
[16:22] <ivoks> you can't miss with these
[16:22] <kaushal> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[16:22] <ivoks> that's right
[16:22] <kaushal> got it
[16:22] <kaushal> Thanks a Lot
[16:23] <kaushal> sorry for the trouble
[16:23] <ivoks> just mirror that to your server
[16:23] <kaushal> sure
[16:23] <ivoks> lftp -c "open http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/; mirror"
[16:23] <ivoks> or amd64
[16:23] <kaushal> ok
[16:24] <kaushal> so run that command in the command line
[16:26] <ivoks> inside your tftp directory
[16:26] <ivoks> i don't know which tftpd you use
[16:26] <ivoks> i've provided you a link that covers everything
[16:26] <kaushal> sure
[16:26] <kaushal> i use tftp-hpa
[16:26] <kaushal> ivoks, Thanks again
[16:26] <ivoks> then go to /var/lib/tftpboot
[16:27] <ivoks> delete everything inside
[16:27] <ivoks> and run that command
[16:27] <ivoks> then boot your server
[16:27] <ivoks> mathiaz: http://pastebin.com/m3865011f
[16:27] <kaushal> ok
[16:27] <ivoks> mathiaz: isn't that awesome? :)
[16:28] <mathiaz> ivoks: cool!
[16:28] <ttx> kirkland: bug 523826
[16:28] <mathiaz> ivoks: is that with packages from the ubuntu-ha ppa?
[16:29] <mathiaz> ivoks: or with packages from the lucid archive?
[16:29] <ivoks> mathiaz: yes, with addition of lvm2 from my ppa
[16:29] <ivoks> mathiaz: well, corosync and openais are from ubuntu-ha
[16:29] <ttx> kirkland: feel free to box it with a few of your fixes and release, we need it for a3 candidates
[16:29] <ivoks> mathiaz: cluster-glue, cluster-agents, pacemaker and heartbeat are still in the queue on launchpad
[16:30] <ivoks> mathiaz: but there are no differences; those on ubuntu-ha or my ppa are the same as those sent to lucid archive
[16:30] <mathiaz> ivoks: so what's the state of the cluster stack spec now that FF is in effect?
[16:30] <mathiaz> ivoks: have all the packages been uploaded to the lucid archive?
[16:30] <ivoks> mathiaz: all componentes are in archive
[16:31] <ivoks> mathiaz: all deps have mir filled and except one all are already 'fix commited'
[16:31] <mathiaz> ivoks: great! Looks like everything is on the right track then
[16:31] <ivoks> mathiaz: once openhpi is also accepted, cluster-glue|agents, heartbeat, pacemaker go to main
[16:32] <ivoks> i'd say it is
[16:32] <mathiaz> ivoks: awesome work!
[16:32] <ivoks> lets wait till is done completly
[16:33] <ivoks> we might decide on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openhpi/+bug/515976
[16:33] <kirkland> ttx: please go ahead and release as soon as you have a fix you're happy with
[16:33] <ivoks> pitti asks if we are commited to support openhpi
[16:33] <kirkland> ttx: no need to wait on me to roll fixes together, IMO
[16:33] <ttx> I'm happy with my fix. I kinda like patches that are one character long
[16:34] <kirkland> ttx: :-D
[16:34] <mathiaz> ivoks: what do we loose if openhpi doesn't go into main?
[16:34] <ttx> kirkland: ok, releasing then
[16:34] <ivoks> mathiaz: support for IBM BladeCenter
[16:34] <smoser> ttx, here now.
[16:34] <ivoks> mathiaz: it's used to stonith servers in blade
[16:35] <smoser> i just saw the euca call topic, and wished i would have called in
[16:35] <ttx> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/523832
[16:35] <smoser> yeah. i just see. :-(
[16:35] <smoser> shouldn't fail to completly boot
[16:35] <ttx> smoser: On the good news side, i didn't reproduce mathiaz's issue :)
[16:35] <smoser> everything else shoudl be up, just the motd busted.
[16:36] <mathiaz> ttx: which one?
[16:36] <ttx> mathiaz: bug 522292
[16:36] <ttx> mathiaz: mine starts to boot alright
[16:36] <ttx> it even keeps on "running"
[16:37] <ttx> smoser: I just can't ssh in
[16:37] <ttx> and there are those scary messages in console-output
[16:37] <ttx> "time is not defined", speaking like Einstein
[16:37] <mathiaz> ivoks: what's the level of maintainaince in Debian for openhpi?
[16:38] <smoser> ttx, ssh should function.
[16:38] <mathiaz> zul: so no php 5.3 in lucid?
[16:38] <smoser> the fix is easy, but i'll look at it.
[16:38] <zul> mathiaz: no im looking at FFE
[16:38] <ivoks> mathiaz: i'd say quite good
[16:39] <ivoks> mathiaz: http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openhpi.html
[16:39] <ivoks> same maintainer for 4 years
[16:39] <kaushal> ivoks, what does l mean in lftp ?
[16:39] <kaushal> just curious to know
[16:39] <ivoks> it's the name of the program
[16:39] <ttx> smoser: no key shown in output, looks like it blocks quite early
[16:39] <ttx> smoser: maybe the blockage is unrelated to the error message ?
[16:39] <smoser> probably. i'll look at it though.
[16:40] <zul> mathiaz: the debian guys are still fixing up the testsuite
[16:40] <ivoks> take care, i'm off for today
[16:41] <smoser> ttx, i'll get it fixed asap
[16:43] <ttx> mathiaz, kirkland: I rewrote Dustin's PHP script in python and started configuration-filing it at lp:~ttx/+junk/boot-uec
[16:43] <kirkland> ttx: nice!
[16:43] <ttx> kirkland: trying to get rid of those tmpfile and system calls :)
[16:44] <ttx> Still struggling with some of the language support, to get the right keyboard
[16:44] <mathiaz> ttx: I did the same as well: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/+junk/install-srv/files
[16:44] <mathiaz> ttx: I didn't port everything though
[16:45] <mathiaz> ttx: and the boot.py script was built around http support in gPXE
[16:45] <ttx> mathiaz: I just couldn't get gPXE running correctly
[16:45] <ttx> didn't find the time to fully debug why
[16:45] <mathiaz> ttx: now that we have 3 scripts in some different variant we should schedule a session at UDS to merge all of this
[16:45] <ttx> mathiaz: sure !
[16:45] <ttx> mathiaz: mine includes the magic "run eucalytpus from local repo"
[16:46] <ttx> so you publish to a local repo and check the "use local repo" checkbox.
[16:46] <mathiaz> ttx: and I think there's already a blueprint registered about that a PXE installation service
[16:46] <ttx> and voila
[16:46] <mathiaz> ttx: and there is cobbler as well ;)
[16:47] <ttx> mathiaz: you did see my email about PXE booting a UEC installer from mirror+localrepo ?
[16:47] <ttx> mathiaz: there are a few nice hoops to jump through to succeed
[16:47] <mathiaz> ttx: I think so
[16:47] <mathiaz> ttx: it's in my archive somewhere
[16:48] <ttx> mathiaz: I just integrated much of those hoops into my branch
[16:48] <ttx> mathiaz: also used the yaml config to outsource differences between dustin's setup and mine
[16:48] <mathiaz> ttx: IIRC it's mostly about generating the correct preseed
[16:49] <ttx> mathiaz: yes, a creepy early_command and a few other classic preseed values.
[16:49] <ttx> + some mangling of Release files in your localrepo
[16:49] <ttx> (but that's separate)
[16:49] <ttx> makes me think, I should publish that as well.
[16:52] <zul> mathiaz: fyi mysql is fixed
[16:52] <mathiaz> zul: great - how did it get fixed?
[16:52] <zul> mathiaz: the soyuz guys fixed it
[16:52] <mathiaz> zul: by doing what?
[16:54] <zul> mathiaz: black magic im not sure slangasek told me its fixed
[17:02] <smoser> ttx, are you able to test a fix on that ?
[17:02] <smoser> would require cracking open image and re-registering
[17:03] <ttx> smoser: hm, I just closed my cloud
[17:03] <ttx> smoser: explain
[17:03] <KristianDK> Do you guys know how i can install the da locale package?
[17:03] <smoser> see my comment in bug.
[17:03]  * ttx restarts
[17:03] <smoser> the fix is easy as 'import time' in cloudinit/boto_utils.py
[17:04] <smoser> but unfortunately, the fact that htat code was hit means the metadata service wasn't around
[17:04] <smoser> which may point to Euca thing. with the 'import time' it would sleep and try again
[17:05] <ttx> smoser: i suppose you should commit the fix anyway ?
[17:05] <smoser> well yes
[17:05] <smoser> :)
[17:05] <juliux> hi
[17:05] <smoser> but i'm just interested in seeing if there is a Euca bug now
[17:05] <ttx> smoser: then i'll test tomorrow's images, it's EOD here :)
[17:05] <smoser> alright.
[17:05] <ttx> smoser: or convince Dustin to run it :)
[17:05] <juliux> is it right that there is no xen kernel for lucid?
[17:06] <smoser> so, ttx, or kirkland, or mathiaz where would you suggest i start to install a UEC right now
[17:06] <kirkland> ttx: i'm just about to install UEC on the test drig
[17:06] <smoser> ie, install from media
[17:06] <kirkland> smoser: local hardware?
[17:06] <ttx> kirkland: running todays image you'll fall into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/523832
[17:06] <ttx> kirkland: follow smoser's advice to pass the first hurdle
[17:06] <kirkland> ttx: k
[17:07] <smoser> i think you *may* fall into that
[17:07] <ttx> kirkland: correction: you /may/ fall into that bug
[17:07] <smoser> its possible its timing
[17:07] <ttx> heh
[17:07] <smoser> but if not timing then more
[17:07] <ttx> Only tried once, I must admit
[17:07] <ttx> and on first image registration
[17:07] <smoser> but i've never seen the "no metadata service up yet" bug for euca, only on ec2
[17:07] <ttx> anyway, confirming it would be a good data point
[17:07]  * ttx EODs
[17:09] <kaushal> while installing Ubuntu 8.04 amd64 Bit server using CD Image, does it fetch the kernel image from the internet ?
[17:10] <kaushal> since pxe install has kernel image in /var/lib/tftpboot
[17:11] <kaushal> am i understanding it correctly ?
[17:11] <kaushal> the reason why i am asking is the CD install works perfectly fine
[17:11] <kaushal> while the pxe install fails
[17:12] <kaushal> since netboot kernel image is obsolete
[17:14] <kaushal> has ivoks left for the day here ?
[17:18] <smoser> kirkland, where are you starting for an UEC install ?
[17:18] <kaushal> ivoks you around ?
[17:18] <RoAkSoAx> kaushal, most probably
[17:19] <kaushal> RoAkSoAx, ?
[17:20] <RoAkSoAx> kaushal, ivoks gone for the day
[17:20] <kaushal> ah ok
[17:20] <kaushal> Thanks
[17:20] <kirkland> smoser: on the machines in Canonical's test lab
[17:20] <kaushal> can someone answer to my query ?
[17:27] <smoser> mathiaz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/523625
[17:27] <smoser> why "wrong archive mirror" ?
[17:27] <raendeer> trying to install hardy-lts from usb to a sata drive.. the installer only shows the usb drive, not the sata
[17:27] <smoser> what is wrong about it ? i thought you said it was right
[17:28] <dhastha> need help: how to configure and install heartbeat in ubuntu
[17:28] <mathiaz> smoser: it's right at the *end* of the boot process
[17:28] <mathiaz> smoser: but not during the boot process
[17:28] <mathiaz> smoser: IIUC this is what happens:
[17:28] <mathiaz> smoser: cloud-config-puppet: apt-get update -> fetches from archive.ubuntu.com
[17:29] <mathiaz> smoser: then apt sources.list is modified to use the local ec2 mirrors
[17:29] <smoser> right. so your 'started' does not indicate finished
[17:29] <raendeer> trying to install hardy-lts from usb to a sata drive.. the installer only shows the usb drive, not the sata drives? with amd64
[17:29] <mathiaz> smoser: then cloud-config-puppet: apt-get install puppet fails
[17:29] <smoser> but 'started'
[17:29] <smoser> ie: start on started cloud-apt-update-upgrade
[17:29] <mathiaz> smoser: right - that's what I though as well
[17:29] <smoser> thats what i was asking about.
[17:30] <smoser> (thats what i was asking about yesterday)
[17:30] <kaushal> :(
[17:30] <smoser> you need to run after that thing finishes.
[17:30] <dhastha> need help on heartbeat installation
[17:38] <dhastha> anybody know about heatbeat
[17:58] <kaushal> checking in again for my query ?
[18:05] <nunor> hi
[18:10] <nunor> I have an ubuntu server 9.10 running. Fixed public IP but no reverse DNS possible (for smtp use). I have another linux server who acts as smtp server (with rdns) and I have whitelisted my ubuntu server. How can I configure postfix to send the mails to my another server instead of sending it directly to the internet? Thanks
[18:58] <sherr> nunor: see "relayhost" and http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[19:26] <inveratulo> At what point can I choose to install JeOS ?
[19:27] <ksoviero> inveratulo, at boot, when you hit f6 (i think) it lets you choose JeOS
[19:29] <inveratulo> ksoviero: hrm, not seeing it there...
[19:29] <inveratulo> says I can install a minimal virtual machine, but I'm trying to get a host OS up and running
[19:31] <inveratulo> I think I figured it out
[19:32] <ksoviero> inveratulo, at boot, when you hit f6 (i think) it lets you choose JeOS VMs.
[19:32] <ksoviero> woopse
[19:33] <ksoviero> inveratulo, i meant, JeOS is for VMs, or at least meant for it, but can be used elsewhere
[19:34] <inveratulo> ksoviero: yea i understand that, i'm trying to make sure i install ubuntu-server with the jeos kernel, looks like i'll have ot do it through expert mode
[19:52] <smoser> mathiaz, you want to sponsor bug 523625
[19:52] <smoser> please ?
[20:07] <wathek> hello all
[20:08] <wathek> can I add this repos to my sources.list : deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
[20:10] <aleyva> i've seen a strange behavior with open-iscsi in 9.04 and 9.10, is this the right place to ask?
[20:12] <zul> mdeslaur: i updated the apparmor rule for mysql finally
[20:13] <smoser> well, seeing as mathiaz isn't around, can someone (zul) sponsor the cloud-utils package at bug 523625
[20:13] <mdeslaur> zul: uh...I'm not aware of that...jdstrand maybe?
[20:13] <zul> jdstrand: ^^^
[20:13] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: thanks zul
[20:13] <jdstrand> heh
[20:13] <jdstrand> zul: thanks
[20:13] <zul> smoser: yeah sure gimme a sec
[20:13] <mdeslaur> zul: thanks
[20:13] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: just stay out of it already!
[20:13] <mdeslaur> zzzzzz
[20:13] <jdstrand> :)
[20:13] <aleyva> we have an equallogic and a poweredge with four nic's, two of them are connected to the equallogic, the PE is running ubuntu 9.04
[20:14] <jdstrand> I don't know how I typed that...
[20:14] <aleyva> we have the eql LUN's running fine, with open-iscsi
[20:14] <aleyva> but when we reboot the server dont login to the targets
[20:14] <aleyva> in /etc/init.d/open-iscsi, at line 93, we have:
[20:14] <aleyva>         ISCSI_TARGET_NB=$(cat /etc/iscsi/nodes/*/*/iface* 2>/dev/null| grep -c automatic)
[20:15] <aleyva> the original line is:
[20:15] <aleyva>         ISCSI_TARGET_NB=$(cat /etc/iscsi/nodes/*/*/default 2>/dev/null| grep -c automatic)
[20:15] <aleyva> the problem is that we dont have a "default" file at each node dir, thats why we have changed it to "iface*"
[20:15] <aleyva> i dont know if we should have a "default" file
[20:17] <zul> smoser: umm...did you bump the changelog entry?
[20:17] <smoser> i thought so
[20:17] <smoser> yeah
[20:17] <smoser> archive is 0.5.5-0ubuntu1
[20:17] <zul> so there isnt a -ubuntu2?
[20:17] <zul> ok
[20:17] <zul> ill do it
[20:18] <smoser> this is 0.5.5-0ubuntu2
[20:19] <smoser> zul, http://paste.ubuntu.com/379301/
[20:22] <smoser> zul, i just tested
[20:22] <zul> smoser: k done
[20:26] <tbc> aleyva: I don't have an answer to your open-iscsi questions. If no one speaks up on this channel, you may have simply missed being online at the same time as a knowledgeable person who can help. You may want to write to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(list info <https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server>)
[20:30] <ChmEarl> on karmic, does the r8169 driver work for RTL8111/8168B nic?
[20:31] <ChmEarl> for latest kernel 2.6.31-19-server?
[20:32] <ChmEarl> I went into rescue mode and the nic works with the generic kernel, but fails with the server kernel
[20:32] <smoser> zul thanks.
[20:33] <ChmEarl> can I do a kernel update in rescue mode (booting from CD)?
[20:38] <David_B> hello. i have a machine which i can install ubuntu desktop on fine, but will not correctly install server. i am not sure why this is the case
[20:39] <David_B> the issue is at the grub bootloader stage of install
[20:41] <ChmEarl> David_B, if you are multi-booting with other distros, you don't need to use that bootloader
[20:41] <David_B> ChmEarl: new machine, nothing else on there
[20:42] <ChmEarl> k, you are stuck with it :)
[20:43] <David_B> chmeark: aye, but it won't instal!
[20:43] <ChmEarl> do you have /boot partition and its ext2?
[20:43] <ChmEarl> did you install with all defaults?
[20:44] <David_B> don't know, and yes
[20:46] <DrNick_> silly question, i assume a reboot is still required after updating the kernel or kernel modules? only I remember reading something somewhere about it not being required in some situations
[20:46] <ChmEarl> David_B, so the install failed. Did you try to go into rescue mode and see if root is OK?
[20:46] <David_B> chmearl: hmm, no, let me boot from cd again
[20:48] <DrNick_> David_B: out of interest did you set up RAID or LVM voluems on the root device?  grub can't boot from an LVM partition, you'd have to use LILO in that instance
[20:48] <David_B> AHA
[20:48] <David_B> That must be it
[20:48] <David_B> yeah, was just doing defaults and 'LVM' was default
[20:48] <DrNick_> :)  it should offer to install LILO for you however
[20:49] <David_B> hmm, i seem to remember trying that, and it not working
[20:49] <DrNick_> odd
[20:49] <David_B> but I'll try again
[20:49] <DrNick_> if in any doubt however, create a partition for /boot which isn't on an LVM or RAID volume, then boot from that and set everything else up as you please
[20:50] <DrNick_> only needs to be 100MB or so
[20:50] <David_B> err, I only have my raid disks
[20:50] <David_B> would a USB pen drive do?
[20:50] <DrNick_> well no, reserve 100MB or so at the start of one drive for the /boot partition then use the rest of the drive for your linux RAID partitions
[20:51] <David_B> right… so would i need to un-raid my drives, partition them using the installer and then re raid them?
[20:51] <David_B> it's hardware raid off my modo
[20:51] <DrNick_> i'm afraid so yes
[20:51] <David_B> *mobo
[20:51] <DrNick_> ah
[20:52] <DrNick_> i thought you meant you were using linux's softraid
[20:52] <David_B> nope
[20:52] <DrNick_> in that case that does somewhat confuse things... at least it can do.
[20:52] <David_B> ok… would i be best off starting off without raid and going from there?
[20:52] <DrNick_> does the linux install program see your RAID'd drives as a single disk or as individual drives?
[20:52] <David_B> single disk i think
[20:53] <David_B> well, used to… now it see it as all kinds of rubbish as i've installed and reinstalled and fiddlled around so much
[20:53] <DrNick_> my advice - disable the RAID on the mobo, and use linux software RAID which is probably faster anyway if the truth is told
[20:53] <David_B> ok, I always thought hardware raid was faster, but this is just for a home web server so I guess it doesn't matter too much
[20:54] <DrNick_> most if not all "RAID" chips on  motherboards aren't true hardware RAID anyway and are usually more trouble than they're worth.  disable it, and set up RAID under linux if you need/want it
[20:54] <David_B> and I should be able to use grub with that? do you still recommend having a /boot partition on one disk?
[20:54] <DrNick_> grub can boot from mirrored drives just fine
[20:55] <David_B> so i install unraided, and then can I set up RAID after it's all booting ok?
[20:55] <DrNick_> but if it's RAID5 you want, forget it you need a /boot partition.  if it's just disk mirroring you're doing however then you're fine
[20:55] <David_B> no, RAID1
[20:56] <David_B> by the way, thanks very much, you've been extremely helpful
[20:56] <DrNick_> the steps you take should roughly be 1) disable RAID on the mobo, 2) boot the installer, 3) when asked about partitioning, nuke any and all partitions on your disks, i.e. initialise the partition table on each.  then set up the partitions as you like.  if you want RAID, create linux raid partitions on the drives, then you can do all your RAID setup from the installer itself
[20:56] <David_B> excellent, I'll give it a go!
[20:56] <DrNick_> :)
[20:56] <DrNick_> good luck
[20:59] <David_B> should I use LVM?
[21:00] <David_B> bearing in mind I'm not entirely sure what it actually is
[21:03] <DrNick_> if you're not entirely sure about it then either take the time to read up on it a little first (as there are concepts involved you really should understand before using it), or don't bother using it.
[21:03] <DrNick_> in general i wouldn't think it'd be required for a web server anyway
[21:04] <DrNick_> out of interest, i assume no one else had the answer to my original question then
[21:04] <ChmEarl> DrNick_, I had to reboot after kernel update, so yes
[21:05] <DrNick_> ok thanks ChmEarl
[21:05] <ChmEarl> and my new kernel was picked fine
[21:06] <David_B> I cannot seem to delete all the partitions, they say they are in use by 'ubuntuserver'
[21:07] <DrNick_> select each disk in the list and press <Enter>, it should tell you it's about to initialise the partition table
[21:07] <guntbert> David_B: you have to do it from the install/live CD - not from a running system (rescue counts as running)
[21:08] <David_B> I am doing it from the instal
[21:08] <David_B> the following things are listed: LVM VG ubuntu server, LV root - 497.4 GB
[21:08] <David_B> LVM VG ubuntuserver, LV swap_1 −2.3GB
[21:09] <David_B> Then my two hard drives, each with a 499.7 GB primary LVM partition and 361.9 of free space
[21:10] <DrNick_> yeah, that must be from before... you migt have to go in and remove the LVM volumes first.... or actually restart the install, and when asked if you wish to activate existing LVM volumes say NO
[21:10] <David_B> there doesn't appear to be an option to remove I'm afraid
[21:10] <DrNick_> then you should be able to nuke all the patitions and start again
[21:10] <David_B> how would i do that?
[21:11] <David_B> I can't see any 'nuke' option :P
[21:11] <DrNick_> reboot it.  restart the install, when it asks if you want to activate your LVM volumes say NO.  then you'll get the list as before, but without the LVM volumes listed at the bottom.  then you'll be able to remove the existing partitions and start agian
[21:12] <David_B> ok, I'll try that, thank you
[21:15] <David_B> err, the installer didn't ask me about lvm options
[21:15] <David_B> do I need to go into a more advanced mode?
[21:15] <DrNick_> what happens when you select the first hard disk in the list and press <Enter> with the highlight over it
[21:16] <David_B> it says I cannot modify the disk because the primary partition is in use by the ubuntuserver lvm thing
[21:18] <DrNick_> ok, what you'll have to do then, there will be a menu option for modifying the LVM config.  go into that, remove all the logical volumes, then remove the volume group.  basically you'll get a further menu with options, use that to remove the LVM volumes
[21:18] <DrNick_> they're what the installer from before would have created
[21:19] <David_B> ok
[21:21] <ChmEarl> for managing services in Centos, I used chkconfig. What to use here for karmic?
[21:22] <ChmEarl> I know about /etc/init.d/<srvc>
[21:22] <David_B> ok, Dr Nick, that half worked… I was able to delete the logcal volumes and the volume group
[21:23] <David_B> and then could go back and delete all the partitions on one of the disks
[21:23] <DrNick_> ok good
[21:23] <DrNick_> but... lol
[21:23] <David_B> though there is still one LVM partition on one disk that won't go away (same issue as before)
[21:23] <David_B> lvm volume group in use by ubuntu server
[21:24] <David_B> oh wait, did it again
[21:24] <David_B> needed to do it for both disks :p
[21:24] <DrNick_> :)
[21:30] <DrNick_> ChmEarl: best thing to use is possibly sysv-rc-conf
[21:31] <ChmEarl> checking it out now
[21:58] <sherr> ChmEarl: update-rc.d is the most similar - fairly straightforward.
[21:58] <sherr> ChmEarl: see also : man service
[21:59] <DrNick_> i wouldn't recommend update-rc.d - as it says in the man page, it's mostly for use in scripts.  sysv-rc-conf is most like chkconfig and has a nice menu interface also if required
[22:14] <RoyK> PROCS CRITICAL: 411 processes with STATE = RSZDT
[22:43] <lijil> if i install the bugzilla 3.2 package in karmic, then manually install the latest bugzilla from bugzilla.org, will apt overwrite if ubuntu pushes out a new release in the future?
[22:44] <lijil> this may apply to some of the other 'web' apps that there are packages for, like mediawiki
[22:45] <mathiaz> kirkland: hey - are you done with the UEC testing on tamarind?
[22:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: mostly
[22:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm running an instance
[22:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: i can't ssh to it though
[22:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: do you plan to do any more reinstall?
[22:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: oh, i'm on the wrong machine
[22:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: i think i'm done
[22:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: you can have it
[22:47] <mathiaz> kirkland: great - I'll test the iso support then
[22:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: i marked the functional tests task i have done
[22:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: i don't think i can do any scalability/performance testing
[22:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: can it?
[22:47] <mathiaz> kirkland: that's what config_multi.yaml is for - in uec-testing-scripts
[22:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: hmm
[22:48] <mathiaz> kirkland: it'll start as many instances as you want
[22:48] <mathiaz> kirkland: and ssh into them
[22:48] <mathiaz> kirkland: it tests the scability of starting/stoppping instances
[22:48] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay
[22:48] <kirkland> mathiaz: after you're done, i'll try that
[22:48] <mathiaz> kirkland: making that sure that 1000 instances can be correctly started for example
[22:49] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'll reinstall a topo1 then
[22:49] <mathiaz> kirkland: with 4 NCs and one CLC+Walrus+CC+SC
[22:49] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'll drop all serial consoles
[23:05] <cef> anyone got a suggestion for getting past Bug #514012 when upgrading from karmic to lucid (server, no X)?