[06:46] <SunmanXII> hi im having problem playing movies in totem - for some reason the movies are playing very slow with no sound... how do i fix this?
[06:46] <tzanger> beatlesfan: I bet there are some BIG datasets there!
[06:46] <beatlesfan> tzanger, uhh, yeah, there are
[06:47] <losher> beatlesfan: bummer. I'm here on Saturday night because it's fun...
[06:47] <blz> tzanger:  I must be doing it wrong then.  My buffer runs out occasionally and the video feed will stutter
[06:47] <zeromod> bet there are some mighty penetrable systems there too lol
[06:47] <beatlesfan> our biggest issue - everything was built 30 years ago, in silo mode
[06:47]  * zeromod waits to see who wan't to play hack the .gov
[06:47] <tzanger> blz: so I've got RAID1/RAID5 arrays which are PVs, then they go into the VG and I carve out a bucnh of areas there... movies, livetv, work data, VMs, etc.
[06:47] <mzz> blz: what kind of video stream?
[06:47] <tzanger> this is all on a tired old Pentium4 workstation system
[06:47] <blz> tzanger:  input from the remote will also get backed up for liek 5 minutes at a time and then BOOM OVER9000 CHANNEL CHANGES
[06:47] <mobi-sheep> SunmanXII: You might want to use VLC or MPlayer.  I avoid totem.  :3
[06:47] <denon> beatlesfan: storagetek++
[06:47] <beatlesfan> dslam, bet yourself a copy of ERwin data Modeler
[06:47] <beatlesfan> get
[06:47] <blz> mzz:  live tv via cable
[06:47] <tzanger> blz: ?? wow I've never run into that
[06:48] <blz> tzanger:  yeah it weirded me out...
[06:48] <beatlesfan> load your current model in and run Model Validator
[06:48] <dSlaM> noted, thanx, beatlesfan
[06:48] <tzanger> I get live TV from FTA and ATSC sources
[06:48] <tzanger> then I also grab some stuff online
[06:48] <mzz> blz: surprised it can't keep up with that, those streams aren't that high-bandwidth, right?
[06:48] <SunnyDP> tzanger: FTA roxxxxxx
[06:48] <blz> tzanger:  and i'm using a standard pvr150 with the included remote too...
[06:48] <tzanger> wife loves the commercial skipping
[06:48] <royalwarecast> my graphic card's driver is on the format of "deb"  I can extract it but how to build it in "pkg.tar.gz"?
[06:48] <tzanger> she gets right pissed off when it doesn't work :-)
[06:48] <beatlesfan> that will show you some stuff
[06:48] <blz> mzz:  nope sdtv on a raid0 array
[06:48] <tzanger> PVR150 is good, I had the 350 for a while
[06:48] <tzanger> THAT added a fair bit of latency :-)
[06:48] <blz> mzz:  the box itself is a 3.6 mhz single core with 3 gigs of ram...
[06:49] <blz> mzz:  so afaik, it should run smoothly, right?
[06:49] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: it runw on MS OS'es
[06:49] <mzz> blz: for just playing back the single stream definitely
[06:49] <dSlaM> :'
[06:49] <dSlaM> run*
[06:49] <mzz> blz: (both with and without raid)
[06:49] <beatlesfan> Dslam, yeah, runs on Windows XP
[06:49] <tzanger> mzz: if you're not using hardware accel (avivo/vdpau) you'll get stuttering no matter what it is you've got, in my experience
[06:49] <tzanger> but SDTV yeah no worries
[06:49] <blz> mzz:  right.  I had two installations prior to that w/o raid and they worked fine... I wonder if it's a seek-latency issue?
[06:49] <beatlesfan> dslam, it can import or reverse engineer just about any database
[06:50] <beatlesfan> Computer Associates - ERwin Data Modeler
[06:50] <beatlesfan> very good product
[06:50] <fxfitz> Hello! I just installed Intrepid and I just plugged in my second monitor. Is it possible for the second monitor to be the "primary" one?
[06:50] <tzanger> end_request: I/O error, dev hdm, sector 374622591
[06:50] <mzz> tzanger: well, xv is desirable. Was going to ask about gpu and those drivers next, probably :)
[06:50] <tzanger> oh for fuck sakes
[06:50] <almost> tzanger: would this howto work on 8.04 do you think http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=594094&highlight=loop-aes
[06:50] <blz> mzz:  i mean it seems far-fetched, but maybe the lag from 2 disks (as opposed to 1) seeking causes a backup of data that has to be written before myth can execute other commands?
[06:50] <juancarlos> olaaaaaaa
[06:50] <juancarlos> holaa
[06:50] <tzanger> almost: what's that for
[06:50] <juancarlos> holaa
[06:50] <juancarlos> ayuda
[06:50] <FloodBot1> juancarlos: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:50] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: ok thanks i'll try it out at work, i don't have any MS OS'es around here
[06:50] <beatlesfan> hola, que tal?
[06:51] <mzz> blz: that really shouldn't happen unless for some reason it's not buffering in ram at all, which makes no sense
[06:51] <tzanger> hmm both arrays are up, I guess it was just a hard read failure
[06:51] <beatlesfan> dslam, what OS are you running?
[06:51] <blz> blz:  hmm... maybe it's not buffering then? is there an easy way to check that?
[06:51] <blz> mzz:  that was meant for you lol
[06:51] <zeromod> beatles you are ruining it
[06:51] <mzz> blz: not familiar with myth, sorry
[06:51] <almost> tzanger: well in the end I hope to use for encrypting a usb stick
[06:51] <beatlesfan> what am I ruining?
[06:51] <denon> no PureFTPd users in here?
[06:51] <zeromod> dont ask nmap him lol fingerprint the homeland offices
[06:51] <zeromod> :P
[06:51] <juancarlos> hola.....lo que  pasa que cunado minimizo cual quiro cosa en kde  desaparece  y no se como activar eso nuevamente
[06:51] <blz> mzz:  oh lol. sorry
[06:51] <fxfitz> Is it possible to make my secondary monitor the "primary" monitor when its plugged in?
[06:52] <denon> man, are no FTP admins alive on irc? sucks
[06:52] <juancarlos> ??
[06:52]  * zeromod in best government guy voice  "we've detected heavy scanning sir"
[06:52] <blz> losher:  what was the name of that miniature distro you used again?
[06:52] <losher> blz: I use a 2Mhz Pentium/512M memory, regular ext3 filesystem, pvr50, and for SDTV there's no stuttering. So maybe it *is* your raid stuff
[06:52] <joot> !es | juancarlos
[06:52] <tzanger> blz: I used minimyth
[06:52] <juancarlos> holaaaaa
[06:52] <tzanger> juancarlos: you're asking for a ban
[06:52] <blz> oh right, it was tzanger. thanks!
[06:52] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: but for the record i think the db is fully normalized, the guy who designed it is very young (~20 when he joined the company) and well i think he did it with his scolar experience, my guess is your idea of denormalize it can be very helpfull
[06:52] <mudittuli> after last ubuntu update, my screen resolution is messed up!, how to correct it ?
[06:52] <baryah1> hello
[06:53] <losher> blz: it was tzanger using minimyth. I use mythtv 0.22 on 8.04.2 LTS
[06:53] <BonezAU> hi all, i am running 64 bit ubuntu 9.04, i have an nvidia 9600GT (512mb) graph card and am using the 64 bit flash player from the repos. as soon as I try to full screen a youtube clip or something it goes all slow and choppy. This does not happen on my laptop...only diff is I am running nvidia dualview with 2x 22" monitors. Can anyone suggest how I can improve the flash performance?
[06:53] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: anyway, thanks for your help
[06:53] <zeromod> 2mhz is pretty fast losher
[06:53] <beatlesfan> sure, no problem
[06:53] <juancarlos> el panel de aabjo cada vez q minimizo desaprece como vuelvo a la nomrmalidad ...active kde  pero desaparecio
[06:53] <mudittuli> i think its my graphic driver messed up !, but don't know what to do !
[06:53] <zeromod> how does that handle minesweeper?
[06:53] <baryah1> i am having problem with the ati drivers version 9.3 on ubuntu 8.10 ..
[06:53] <tzanger> juancarlos: you may want to try #ubuntu-es
[06:53] <tzanger> (guessing that was spanish)
[06:53] <blz> losher:  it's the only thing that's changed (besides version-to-version stuff) so maybe.  Losher, was that you who used the raid1/5 or tzanger?
[06:54] <tzanger> blz: that was me as well :-)
[06:54] <zeromod> probably isn't your video card drivers more than likely flash plugin non free doing what it does best.
[06:54] <baryah1> i have a dell latitude d531 .. with ati x1270
[06:54] <blz> tzanger:  do you record sdtv?
[06:54] <tzanger> blz: yes
[06:54] <tzanger> and HDTV
[06:54]  * dSlaM still wondering wtf he's doing here, since when xchat autojoin this chan ?
[06:54] <almost> tzanger: ok just some of the commands in howto i unclear here is one  sudo m-a fakesource what does m-a mean
[06:54] <tzanger> CBC-HD on ATSC FTW
[06:54] <blz> tzanger:  and you don't get any stuttering?
[06:54] <tzanger> blz: hell no
[06:54] <zeromod> Bonez
[06:54] <losher> blz, zeromod: oops. Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz
[06:55] <blz> hmm.... well... I guess I'll try to reinstall without raid when i get a chance
[06:55] <tzanger> almost: that's a good question
[06:55] <blz> or maybe i'll try with raid1
[06:55] <zeromod> losher I know just joshing ya
[06:55] <blz> 500GB ain't shabby
[06:55] <saiki> is there a firewall in xubuntu by default (and is it usually on?)
[06:55] <tzanger> blz: as I said I have two drives in RAID1 and 4 or 5 in RAID5
[06:55] <mzz> !firewall
[06:55] <blz> saiki:  there's UCF, but it's off by default
[06:55] <dSlaM> iptables XD
[06:55] <icauchy> is here a bot?
[06:55] <losher> zeromod: no, good catch. Might as well get it right...
[06:55] <tzanger> both of those software raid disks are PVs in the LVM
[06:56] <blz> what's a PV, tzanger?
[06:56] <tzanger> then I carve XFS filesystems out of it
[06:56] <mzz> saiki: see what ubottu said, but I doubt it's configured by default (this is not a problem because there are no services listening by default either)
[06:56] <tzanger> PV = physical volume; they're the physical disks that the LVM uses to assign "blobs" of storage to a given VG
[06:56] <dSlaM> hey guys, some of you tried et4 ?
[06:56] <tzanger> VG = volume group, a logical blob of storage
[06:56] <zeromod> killall ufw who needs protection lol
[06:56] <dSlaM> ext4* ?
[06:57] <blz> tzanger:  so what do you mean by the software raid disk being PVs in the LVM?
[06:57] <zeromod> do the same in the router and click yest to anything that implies dmz
[06:57] <tzanger> bl
[06:57] <tzanger> er blz
[06:57] <tzanger> blz: I have 7 drives in my system
[06:57] <mneptok> zeromod: usually people that use "lol" as punctuation
[06:57] <blz> right...
[06:57] <tzanger> blz: I use software RAID for everything (more than fast enough for my needs)
[06:57] <frozenvu> hi
[06:57] <SunmanXII>  hi im having problem playing movies in totem - for some reason the movies are playing very slow with no sound...  same issue presents in VLC and mplayer just plays the first two seconds of the movie...how do i fix this?
[06:57] <icauchy> hi
[06:57] <tzanger> blz: 2 drives are RAID1 and give me a logical device md0
[06:57] <tzanger> blz: 4 drives are RAID5 and give me a logical device md1
[06:58] <zeromod> mneptok good eye lol
[06:58] <frozenvu> hey guy
[06:58] <kellyh> tzanger: modern dual/quad core cpus can take the extra cpu hit i find
[06:58] <blz> tzanger:  aah okay
[06:58] <tzanger> blz: I "tag" both of these as PVs
[06:58] <zeromod> see that time it was out of spite not because i was laughing
[06:58] <losher>  mzz, saiki: there's a lot to be said for that extra feeling of safety running behind a $40 linksys gives you
[06:58] <BonezAU> hi all, i am running 64 bit ubuntu 9.04, i have an nvidia 9600GT (512mb) graph card and am using the 64 bit flash player from the repos. as soon as I try to full screen a youtube clip or something it goes all slow and choppy. This does not happen on my laptop...only diff is I am running nvidia dualview with 2x 22" monitors. Can anyone suggest how I can improve the flash performance?
[06:58] <frozenvu> how to set class path variable?
[06:58] <bullgard4> NetworkManager applet <IP_ADDRESS> > left-click shows me 3 radio network items. All three are shown with a symbol to the left of the field strength symbol. It symbolizes a monopole antenna radiation pattern with a shield in the lower right. What is the name of this symbol (icon)?
[06:58] <blz> tzanger:  that's where you lose me... what does that mean?
[06:58] <tzanger> kellyh: I'm running off of a single P4 (not Pentium D, not 64-bit, not virtualizable... a regular old P4)
[06:58] <mzz> losher: I'm behind a headless box running linux instead
[06:58] <dSlaM> frozenvu: eclipse ?
[06:59] <zeromod> BonezAU it sounds like flash non free plugin issue how does it perform on other sites that are heavy in flash? www.daddysmonsters.com try my page it's very flash driven
[06:59] <frozenvu> yes
[06:59] <tzanger> blz: LVM creates a "blob" of storage called a volume group (VG).  that VG has to have real storage somewhere to actually store what it's asked to store
[06:59] <zeromod> daddysmonsters as in my kids btw lol
[06:59] <dSlaM> frozenvu: project / properties / classpath
[06:59] <bullgard4> frozenvu:  A 'class path variable' in what context?
[06:59] <blz> right
[06:59] <tzanger> blz: those "storage units" are known as physical volumes (PV)s
[06:59] <kellyh> BonezAU: its a known bug with the 64bit flash w/nvidia. There is no official 64bit native flash for linux, only an alpha which is buggy i found. The flash plugin in firefox etc, runs in a compatibility wrapper as its 32bit only
[06:59] <frozenvu> ok,
[06:59] <frozenvu> thanks
[06:59] <losher> mzz: as long as your behind something. I don't like to sit "naked" on the internet. A nat box is cheap protection
[06:59] <tzanger> blz: so my PVs are actually RAID devices which are composed of physical disks
[06:59] <zeromod> good catch kelly
[07:00] <zeromod> and for the record flash isn't the best in native 32bit either
[07:00] <tzanger> (hdc hde) -> md0, which is a PV for my VG
[07:00] <blz> tzanger... so you have RAID on top of physical disks... the RAID volume allocates data to the physical volumes in accordance with the RAID type...
[07:00] <kellyh> tzanger: even a P4 has enough grunt to cope. I used to use software raid5 (3x36Gb SCSI, 3x500Gb SATA) on a dual pIII/1.26Ghz without issue. paired with XFS, works like a charm :)
[07:00] <zeromod> I saw a considerable performance loss with the last flash pluging
[07:00] <tzanger> (hdg hdi hdk hdm) -> md1, which is another PV for my VG
[07:00] <SunmanXII> hi im having problem playing movies in totem - for some reason the movies are playing very slow with no sound...  same issue presents in VLC and mplayer just plays the first two seconds of the movie...how do i fix this?
[07:00] <tzanger> then the VG is just this "blob" of available storage
[07:00] <blz> tzanger:  then you treat both of those raid disks as one PV? lolwut?
[07:01] <tzanger> kellyh: yep it works great and the overhead is minimal
[07:01] <tzanger> blz: no
[07:01] <kellyh> though I had issues with RAID5 + Intel ICHR7, caused a lot of problems with DMA and NCT etc... switching to a ICHR9 board solved that thankfully
[07:01] <RKR> Hi does any body tell me how to install and configure ubuntu server edition
[07:01] <tzanger> blz: I have two PVs, one for each RAID device
[07:01] <kellyh> tzanger: though at present, i don't use LVM, just RAID + XFS
[07:01] <tzanger> the VG can have up to something like 256 PVs
[07:01] <tzanger> I have only two right now
[07:01] <dSlaM> RKR: errrr just dl the distro ? XD
[07:01] <tzanger> kellyh: I love LVM and software RAID
[07:01] <tzanger> I don' thave to worry about the controller dying and taking my array :-)
[07:01] <blz> blz:  okay so the first half of that was right, but then you make each raid device a Physical Volume?  I'm not sure what that last bit does...
[07:02] <`brandon> how do i un rar a rar file
[07:02] <blz> tzanger:  again, that was meant for you lol not me
[07:02] <blz> i fail a typing
[07:02] <tzanger> blz: as I said, the LVM system needs to have PVs
[07:02] <mzz> blz: lvm lets you allocate, resize and move around logical volumes (which you treat as partitions, put filesystems on etc) across physical volumes on the fly, as long as the pvs are all in the same group
[07:02] <dSlaM> `brandon: apt-get install unrar
[07:02] <losher> blz: before you get busy with raid, why not try a plain old ext3 filesystem and see if the stuttering goes away first?
[07:02] <tzanger> you make a storage device a PV by "marking" it so the LVM system can find it
[07:02] <kellyh> tzanger: thats one of the biggest plus points.. i had a hardware raid controller die, was damned lucky i had a spare
[07:02] <zeromod> brandon make sure you have unrar first
[07:02] <blz> OOOOH!
[07:02] <RKR> dSlaM: I have the CD and i tried to install but i cant get the gui environment
[07:02] <zeromod> brandon sudo apt-get install unrar    type that into a terminal
[07:02] <zeromod> brandon then right click the rar file and extract as normal
[07:02] <saiki> I lothe firewalls, I'm on DMZ and no firewall enabled, windows on linux
[07:02] <tzanger> kellyh: most people who use hardware RAID controllers are smart enough to have physical hardware backups on the shelf... I could never get the budget for a spare to be lying around
[07:02] <saiki> or*
[07:02] <mzz> blz: so you can add another raid array to the system, create a pv on it, add that pv to the group, and then grow one of the existing lvs to make use of the space (or add more)
[07:02] <blz> I just flashed back to when I was installing my RAID array... and you select the option "pysical volume for RAID"
[07:03] <joot> tzanger, blz, are you doing ubuntu support?
[07:03] <tzanger> and nobody ever noticed any kind of performance issue because it was always on a 100mbit network
[07:03] <tzanger> joot: if something catches my eye I can try to help
[07:03] <blz> joot:  yeah. depends on your problem
[07:03] <tzanger> blz: no not quite the same, but close
[07:03] <kellyh> tzanger: i got lucky, was given two identical servers, which both had the same identical hardware raid controllers
[07:03] <joot> tzanger, blz, 10 4
[07:03] <tzanger> RAID of course needs to know what physical disks it is creating an array out of
[07:03] <blz> tzanger:  oh god.  mind = raeped
[07:04] <tzanger> the LVM needs to know which "physical" devices it is using for the storage for the VGs you create
[07:04] <dSlaM> RKR: i'm not familiar with the server edition, but when i tried it i couldn't get any GUI environment (actually not any graph gard known, my guess is you have to install it or just go with the CLI, it's a server edition after all)
[07:04] <blz> So in any RAID array, you have to have a physical disk, on top of which an lvm is set up, on top of which a RAID array is set up, on top of which a PV is set up?
[07:04] <mzz> blz: close, but not quite
[07:04] <tzanger> kellyh: for sure, and a lot of high-end RAID cards are fully compatible with arrays created by other hardware of the same vendor
[07:04] <blz> so "physical device" is the filesystem?
[07:04] <tzanger> kellyh: but again... I've never had that luxury :-)
[07:04] <losher> blz: sounds like a lot of work just to record some TV....
[07:04] <blz> I apologize again for my utter stupidity...
[07:04] <tzanger> blz: let me try again :-)
[07:05] <tzanger> the RAID array needs physical disks to make an array out of
[07:05] <tzanger> so I give it physical disks
[07:05] <mzz> blz: physical disks -> multiple raids, each raid acts as a pv in a single lvm volume group, any number of lvs (logical volumes) uses space from that group
[07:05] <RKR> dSlaM: could you tell me how to configure the server as a DHCP server?
[07:05] <kellyh> tzanger: i had to ditch the thing in the end, too noisy for home use lol, core2duo 1.86ghz + SATA works for me now
[07:05] <heshan1> I'm a new to Ubuntu, I installed it on my Windows version, then I installed xampp on that, but I cnnot edit php.ini file , says no permission, how to acquire permission for me?
[07:05] <tzanger> RAID then gives me a logical disk which is redundant (because it uses the physical hardware in such a way that it enhances the reliability)
[07:05] <tzanger> i.e. by mirroring or striping + parity
[07:06] <tzanger> so now I have these "better" devices... the two RAID disks
[07:06] <zeromod> heshan1 open a termina   and   type  "man chmod" no quotes
[07:06] <RKR> heshan1: Did you logeed on as a SUDO user?
[07:06] <tzanger> now LVM takes devices and makes them appear as one big disk
[07:06] <blz> mzz:  oh. i think i'm getting confused because there's only 1 pv in my logical volume group...
[07:06] <dSlaM> RKR: (didn't do it for a very long time, apologies if i'm wrong)  apt-get install dhcpd
[07:06] <blz> or no.. i guess there's 2 since i'm running raid0
[07:06] <tzanger> I say "this array here, and that array there... both of these can be used to store data"
[07:06] <zeromod> heshan1 be careful how you set permissions you don't want everyone to have read write access to your files sounds like especially  a php.ini file
[07:06] <dSlaM> RKR: then edit /etc/dhcp***something
[07:06] <mzz> blz: yeah, but he has two separate raid arrays, so two pvs
[07:07] <RKR> dSlaM: No Problem
[07:07] <tzanger> so the LVM system says "awesome, so array1 is 250G and array2 is 600G, you now have 850G of storage available in the volume group"
[07:07] <mzz> blz: err, wait, are you running raid or lvm or both?
[07:07] <sleepingcreep> salve a tutti
[07:07] <blz> mzz:  RAID0 ... i'm assuming on top of an LVM
[07:07] <tzanger> RAID0 is a terrible idea. most people who use it never hit the performance benefits anyway
[07:07] <mzz> blz: if you're assuming you don't have any lvm set up :)
[07:07] <zeromod> hshan1 you could also open a terminal and type  "sudo gedit  /path/to/file  and edit it that way
[07:07] <anom01y> how would I go about upgrading my kubuntu 8.04 to xubuntu 9.04 ?
[07:07] <blz> tzanger:  yes... i've noticed lol =)
[07:07] <anom01y> or do I need to reinstall entirety
[07:07] <zeromod> hshan1 that would be safer that chmod 0777 something that sounds like it's going to be on a web server
[07:08] <anom01y> !upgrade
[07:08] <tzanger> blz: think of it this way: RAID gives you more reliable storage by using disks to store the data redundantly... any one disk failure won't make your data go away. right?
[07:08] <kellyh> tzanger: RAID10 or RAID50 can work well... if you've the discs
[07:08] <dSlaM> RKR: i took a course about that several months ago, if you can't manage to do it with just that tell me i'll look for the stuffs i've written
[07:08] <heshan1> RKR: zeromod: I cannot even copy a file to htdocs
[07:08] <blz> mzz:  but when I used the althernate cd to set it up, I selected the option of physical volume for raid... I assumed that was lvm-based
[07:08] <mneptok> !sudo > heshan1
[07:08] <tzanger> kellyh: yeah RAID1/5 for me does it, and IIRC linux's implementation automatically stripes as well
[07:08] <blz> tzanger:  yeah i know about the dangers of raid0... i just tried it because I didn't *really* care about losing my shows
[07:08] <mzz> blz: the nice thing about lvm is that you can create any number of partitions with a human-readable name, which you can resize and move across any number of underlying "physical" volumes (can be actual drives, can be raid devices like what tzanger has)
[07:08] <mneptok> zeromod: don;t recommend chmod when sudo will do, please
[07:09] <RKR> heshan1: Tell me did you logged on as a SUDO user?
[07:09] <mzz> blz: I'm pretty sure "physical volume for raid" just means you're using the entire physical drive in a raid (no separate partitions on the drive)
[07:09] <blz> mzz:  ah but there are parititons on the drive
[07:09] <tzanger> blz: ok. so where RAID uses disks to make your data safer, LVM uses disks and creates a "blob" of storage that can span any number of the disks it is told it can use
[07:09] <heshan1> RKR: how can I login to SUDO?
[07:09] <Kalmi> !sudo
[07:09] <mneptok> heshan1: see the bot's .msg
[07:09] <Kalmi> !root
[07:09] <blz> mzz:  maybe this is why my performance sucks too... but I have a raid1 /boot, a raid0 swap, and a raid0 /
[07:09] <tzanger> blz: LVM does not (normally) offer any better reliability, just the ability to use multiple disks as if they were one
[07:10] <p-suti_> if i update my ubuntu, do my staff disappear from my hd
[07:10] <zeromod> heshan1 you are straying off course bro. One issue at a time, the reason you can't move a file is probably the same reason you can't edit one. Permissions. You should learn how to chmod files and be safe especially since it sounds like you want to run a web server. Or as a quick safer approach at editing the file just open a terminal and without quotes type  "sudo gedit /path/to/your/file.ini"
[07:10] <dSlaM> sudo bash
[07:10] <blz> tzanger;  so if I wanted to, I could just make one regular filesystem (no raid) span across 2 disks...
[07:10] <p-suti_> stuff :)
[07:10] <dSlaM> AHAHAH I'm king of the box
[07:10] <tzanger> blz: EXACTLY
[07:10] <mneptok> zeromod: don't recommend chmod when sudo will do, please (x2)
[07:10] <mzz> blz: that shouldn't suck, apart from obvious problems like the drives sharing a controller, and even then I'd expect it to keep up until load's really heavy
[07:10] <mneptok> zeromod: don't make me ask a third time
[07:10] <kellyh> tzanger: main advantage of LVM is not needing to delete partitions when adding more drives
[07:10] <tzanger> blz: think of your disks as car seats
[07:10] <blz> tzanger;  I see.  Now, if one of those disks bit the dust, would *all* my data be gone or just the data on that disk?
[07:11] <p-suti_> ?
[07:11] <RKR> heshan1: Are you the only user for that system?
[07:11] <lyrae> Hi. I have a webcam working in skype. is there a program I can use to alter the brightness/hue/etc?
[07:11] <tzanger> blz: if you have a fat guy who won't fit in one car seat, you can't have him sit comfortably in two
[07:11] <anom01y> what happens when ubuntu 8.04 support runs out ?
[07:11] <zeromod> mneptok if you read both lines you'll see i explained the dangers of chmod i also said man page the chmod command and then explained to use sudo and edit it
[07:11] <mzz> blz: and even nicer is that you can move the data to a different physical drive (or make it extend onto another physical drive) without having to umount it or edit fstab or whatever
[07:11] <anom01y> should I upgrade to 9.04 ?
[07:11] <anom01y> or stay at 8.04 if everything is working ?
[07:11] <Gnome_Danny> Hey, I got one question, How come I can't get desktop cube enabled on compiz fusion but everything else works fine
[07:11] <dSlaM> tzanger: Ryan Air apparently doesn't have any problem with that
[07:11] <tzanger> LVM gives you a car with no seats whatsoever.  and you can then custom-build as many seats in any sizes you want, as long as they'll all physically fit in the car
[07:11] <mneptok> zeromod: why *even mention* chmod? answer? don't.
[07:11] <anom01y> anyone ere run 8.04 ?
[07:11] <tzanger> dSlaM: ryan air?
[07:12] <mneptok> anom01y: i do
[07:12] <tzanger> blz: and yes, if you have one of hte PVs die in an LVM, you're screwed.
[07:12] <blz> mzz: but maybe that's why it sutters?  because of conflicts between writing to swap and / ... and that might be compounded by having to heads seek each time?   He will need to know what should NOT be 0777 else he's not learning anything he's just typing what I tell him to in the console.
[07:12] <anom01y> all right
[07:12] <RKR> heshan1: Does any other have some other user account in your system?
[07:12] <blz> mzz:  hmm. so the original problem persists...
[07:12] <tzanger> blz: yes for the most part.  you CAN tell LVM to do RAID1-like stuff
[07:12] <mzz> blz: (and if you're hitting swap regularly on a mythtv box with several GiB of ram something really weird is going on)
[07:13] <blz> mzz:  also true
[07:13] <mneptok> zeromod: do NOT metion chmod when sudo is the preferred method. clear?!
[07:13] <tzanger> blz: for the most part though I am happy to let RAID do its thing, and just give LVM already-redundant storage
[07:13] <Kalmi> !upgrade > anom01y
[07:13] <tzanger> blz: now
[07:13] <tzanger> blz: this is only one part of LVM's good stuff
[07:13] <tzanger> blz: LVM also lets you take filesystem snapshots
[07:13] <zeromod> OK roger dodger mighty waiving his sysops like arms guy
[07:13] <blz> tzanger:  is that so?
[07:13] <blz> i'm listening
[07:13] <tzanger> blz: LVM also lets you carve out filesystems without disturbing ohters
[07:13] <zeromod> happy you get to kick someone now
[07:13] <blz> what does that mean?
[07:13] <tzanger> blz: and LVM also lets you resize the areas you've carved out
[07:13] <RKR> dSlaM: PLs see my private message!
[07:13] <U-b-u-n-t-u> in the ifconfig which one is the mac address to use for wireless mac filtering
[07:13] <Kalmi> tzanger, carve?
[07:13] <mneptok> zeromod: it's "chanops"
[07:14] <tzanger> blz: snapshots? say you want to take a backup.  you normally have to make the filesystem "quiet" for the time you take the backup or your backup can be inconsistent
[07:14]  * zeromod attention everyone chmod is no longer a valid command as mneptok does not approve of it
[07:14] <tzanger> blz: and backups can take a long time
[07:14] <mneptok> zeromod: but it's nice to know you're uninformed about other things, too
[07:14] <blz> tzanger:  no i mean carving
[07:14] <kellyh> U-b-u-n-t-u: the xx:xx:xx:xx:xx line
[07:14]  * zeromod also we are banning lsmod as its just too hard to read
[07:14] <tzanger> blz:  so you what you do is you make the filesystem quiet, tell LVM to take a snapshot, then start everything back up
[07:14] <U-b-u-n-t-u> kellyh, there are 2
[07:14] <losher> anom01y: 8.04.2 LTS is supported until 2011. No need to upgrade unless there's something specific you need that you can't get in 8.04
[07:14] <tzanger> and you can take your backup while the system still runs normally, sinc the snapshot is "quiet" (doesn't move)
[07:14] <U-b-u-n-t-u> kellyh, one by the eth and one by the wlan
[07:15] <tzanger> when your backup's done, you release the snapshot
[07:15] <heshan> RKR: I have own my account, which is created when I install Ubuntu, the thing is how can I setup development environment in Ubuntu, I installed xampp, but I cannot copy my existing PHP project to htdocs or edit any existing file, this is for local only
[07:15] <iintens> !dvd
[07:15] <kellyh> U-b-u-n-t-u: it'll be prefixed with HWaddr most likely
[07:15] <tzanger> blz: carving out -- what I mean is once you have this "blob" of storage you can make fielsystems as big as you want
[07:15] <tzanger> and you can delete them and create other ones, or resize them... all on a "hot" system
[07:15] <blz> aah okay
[07:16] <tzanger> blz: LVM is a pretty nice technology for servers
[07:16] <tzanger> I can also (hardware permitting)
[07:16] <blz> tzanger:  so for example, I could have an lvm spanning over 2 500gb disks
[07:16] <Kalmi> !botabuse > iintens
[07:16] <kellyh> tzanger: if you use XFS then LVM snapshots arent really needed, xfsdump/xfsrestore handles it all pretty much ;)
[07:16] <tzanger> add a new disk or disks to the system and "assign" them to the VG
[07:16] <blz> and then I could add a third disk, and boom, more storage?
[07:16] <mzz> blz: filesystems don't have to be completely contiguous on the underlying pvs, so you can resize them, or delete two non-contiguous ones and create a new one using all space freed up, and so on
[07:16] <tzanger> now I have more storage without even shutting off the machine
[07:16] <tzanger> kellyh: really?
[07:16] <tzanger> I haven't taken a good look at xfsdump
[07:16] <joot> zeromod, mneptok, could you not have done that in private????
[07:17] <blz> i see... interesting
[07:17] <kellyh> tzanger: yep
[07:17] <mzz> blz: and yes, you can add/remove space (pvs) from the group, and move logical volumes (think "partitions") onto and off that space as necessary, all without having to take stuff offline
[07:17] <RKR> heshan: You select the file right click on it and select the permission tab and make a tickmark on the box for Allow the file execution as a program!
[07:17] <blz> So could I even add a USB storage device to an LVM?
[07:17] <ZeroBeholder> "as a hardware guy, I always feel that hardware raid/disk agglomeration should be controlled by hardware...
[07:17] <tzanger> kellyh: how does xfsdump do that
[07:17] <kellyh> tzanger: its pretty good, xfsdump can take a filesystem level dump to tape, file, another disk, across network, you can do incremental dumps etc too
[07:17] <mneptok> joot: enforcement of channel policy is never offtopic.
[07:17] <tzanger> the filesystem needs to be in a consistent state for the entirety of the dump, no?
[07:17] <mzz> blz: should work, although I don't know how well that works in practice if the usb drive isn't always available.
[07:18] <ZeroBeholder> ACC/3WARE make a wide range of suitable inexpensive alternatives
[07:18] <tzanger> kellyh: yes, but if a DB server's running, your files on disk are NOT consistent
[07:18] <mneptok> joot: feel free to /join #ubuntu-ops for a second opinion
[07:18] <kellyh> tzanger: you can use xfs_freeze for that
[07:18] <varun> hello everyone
[07:18] <blz> mzz:  right, I was assuming it was always plugged in and running
[07:18] <blz> big assumption though
[07:18] <Kalmi> !hi | varun
[07:18] <joot> zeromod, mneptok, I did not infer that it is is just looks pretty ugly
[07:18] <blz> mzz:  but an lvm is not strictly necessary for RAID, correct?
[07:18] <mneptok> joot: welcome to #ubuntu
[07:18] <tzanger> kellyh: to take a snapshot, right?
[07:18] <kellyh> tzanger: yep
[07:19] <mzz> blz: I use lvm just because I occasionally rearrange partitions and that's *really* messy without it (dealing with partition numbers, having to unmount everything involved to move partitions around on the drive, etc)
[07:19] <joot> zeromod, mneptok, many thanks
[07:19] <tzanger> kellyh: because a filesystem-level tool will NOT know if a filesystem is in a consistent state if a userspace app is holding data in memory
[07:19] <telexicon> so, the brightness controls on my keyboard for my laptop haven't worked for a few ubuntu releases now, are there any fixes for this?
[07:19] <anom01y> Kalmi, mneptok, is it possible to switch from kubuntu to xubuntu without using a cd ?
[07:19] <kellyh> tzanger: for backup/restore of XFS filesystems xfsdump is pretty darned good
[07:19] <ZeroBeholder> sorry screen scrolling, reading
[07:19] <telexicon> tzanger, why not?
[07:19] <mneptok> anom01y: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:19] <Gnome_Danny> hey does anybody remember that bundles all these video codecs, etc?
[07:19] <varun> am trying to install acetoneiso 2.0.3 but getting this error:dependency not satisfyable libqt4-webkit on intrepid
[07:19] <telexicon> tzanger, the data wouldnt be consistent, but the filesystem metadata is
[07:19] <varun> hello kalmi and ubottu
[07:19] <Gnome_Danny> Somebody helped me with this last time, I reinstalled ....
[07:19] <tzanger> kellyh: so the procedure's pretty much tell DB to flush/prepare for snapshot, xfs_freeze, tell db to continue, then xfs_dump?
[07:19] <varun> u guys from the US
[07:19] <kellyh> XFS is all about the metadata
[07:20] <tzanger> telexicon: filesystem metadata is of no use if the DB will barf because the backup was not of a consistent dataset
[07:20] <blz> tzanger:  just to be clear, a RAID array does not necessarily require an lvm, correct?
[07:20] <tux91> Hello. I'm trying to install ubuntu on my flash drive using usb-creator. The capicity of the stick is 1G, but usb-creator says it's only about 300 megs and cannot continue. The stick is formatted with a single FAT16 partition. Any ideas?
[07:20] <telexicon> tzanger, no
[07:20] <kellyh> tzanger: yep probably
[07:20] <telexicon> tzanger, what database are you using?
[07:20] <tzanger> blz: hell no
[07:20] <rgmz> how do i get permission to edit and save text using text editor
[07:20] <mzz> blz: you can use raid without lvm, you can use lvm without raid
[07:20] <telexicon> tzanger, most database software makes sure to be consistent at any point in time, its part of being ACID compliant
[07:20] <tzanger> telexicon: anything -- doesn't have to be a DB but thye're usually the most notorious. postgres, mysql, etc.
[07:20] <mzz> blz: they do make a pretty convenient combination though.
[07:20] <tzanger> telexicon: no
[07:20] <tzanger> telexicon: ACID compliance is on the SQL end
[07:20] <tzanger> not the filesystem end
[07:20] <telexicon> tzanger, if you take a snapshot of postgres, or mysql (using innodb), it will be consistent at any point in time
[07:20] <bullgard4> NetworkManager applet <IP_ADDRESS> > left-click shows me 3 radio network items. All three are shown with a symbol to the left of the field strength symbol. It symbolizes a monopole antenna radiation pattern with a shield in the lower right. What is the name of this symbol (icon)?
[07:20] <Kalmi> varun, you could install the xubuntu-desktop package and switch desktop environment at the login screen
[07:21] <tzanger> if I have to flush() after every transaction my performance would grind to a halt
[07:21] <telexicon> tzanger, but to do it on the SQL end
[07:21] <tzanger> ACID just means that the SQL-visible data is always consistent
[07:21] <telexicon> tzanger, it has to do it on the filesystem side
[07:21] <varun> so I cant do it with ubuntu
[07:21] <varun> ??
[07:21] <rgmz> how do i get permission to edit and save text using text editor
[07:21] <Kalmi> varun, yes, you can
[07:21] <telexicon> tzanger, no it means, when you commit a transaction, it is safely stored on disk
[07:21] <tzanger> telexicon: no, if I take a snapshot of postgres without telling it to flush all data to disk, the restored backup may not be in a good state
[07:21] <mzz> rgmz: save text where?
[07:21] <blz> tzanger, mzz:  okay... brace for dumb question.  if losing one disk in the lvm borks your whole system, doesn't it make RAID1 useless?
[07:21] <Kalmi> varun, all you need to do is install the xubuntu-desktop package
[07:21] <tzanger> telexicon: I do not believe that ACID has anything to do with the safety of data
[07:21] <telexicon> tzanger, the database will be consistent, all committed transactions will be there
[07:22] <tzanger> COMMIT does not mean flushed to disk
[07:22] <telexicon> yes it does
[07:22] <tzanger> COMMIT means that the next query will see it
[07:22] <rgmz> mzz i want edit grub menu.lst
[07:22] <tzanger> where's our DHS guy
[07:22] <mzz> blz: the lvm gets unhappy if one of its pvs dies. But if those pvs are actually mirrored raid devices, those devices can deal with one drive dropping out (the lvm never even notices)
[07:22] <tzanger> dSlaM: you still around?
[07:22] <Juzman-EeePC> any reason why i cant update to 9.10?
[07:22] <quibbler> rgmz-> if it is a system file you need to be root use  gksudo gedit /path/to/file
[07:22] <Juzman-EeePC> i ran: sudo do-release-upgrade but says no updates
[07:22] <mzz> rgmz: you'd have to run the editor as root (I usually use a terminal-based editor for that, but something like "gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst" should work too
[07:23] <blz> mzz:  oooh, so the lvm-specific data is also mirrored? if that makes sense...
[07:23] <varun> I am new to ubuntu so gimme a way to do this.The problem with xubntu package is I donot have enough space on my home drive
[07:23] <kellyh> Juzman-EeePC: its not released yet.
[07:23] <Kalmi> Juzman-EeePC, 9.10 is not yet out...
[07:23] <varun> btw is it available in the repos in intrepid
[07:23] <blz> so the LVM, is on top of the raid array?
[07:23] <Juzman-EeePC> Kalmi: But it'sin alpha, yeah?
[07:23] <mzz> blz: that's the idea, yes
[07:23] <rgmz> mzz thanks
[07:23] <kellyh> the 10 in 9.10 is for october, just as the 04 in 9.04 is for April
[07:23] <tzanger> blz: RAID does not need LVM to be useful, and LVM does not need RAID to be useful
[07:23] <rgmz> quibbler thanks
[07:23] <Kalmi> Juzman-EeePC, pre-pre-alpha
[07:23] <tzanger> blz: I just really like the benefit of creating LVMs out of RAIDed arrays
[07:23] <telexicon> tzanger, ill just ask, but im pretty sure thats how it rolls
[07:23] <blz> tzanger, mzz:  it's all starting to make sense now... thanks for putting up with me
[07:23] <ZeroBeholder> If you have fairly static and long term partitions, I suggest RAID.  However, if you find yourself resizing partitions and performance is of less concern, then software  agglomeration like lvm is more than acceptable as the other person has suggested (specifically lvm).
[07:24] <mzz> blz: if you lose one drive in the raid the raid device remains available. So if you run lvm on top of that raid device the lvm volume group doesn't notice the drive dropping out at all
[07:24] <mathias> hi, how to I install xen on jaunty? I can find any xen kernel image for use as dom0
[07:24] <dSlaM> tzanger: yep ??
[07:24] <Juzman-EeePC> Kalmi: according to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-1/ it's Alpha 1
[07:24] <lyrae> How can i find out which driver a webcam is using?
[07:24] <ZeroBeholder> sorry for the redundant redundancy...
[07:24] <Kalmi> Juzman-EeePC, why would you want to install it?
[07:24] <tzanger> telexicon: it's been a whle since I've done DBA, but as I recall, a COMMIT just means that other SQL queries will now see the updated data state, and any queries that occur BEFOR the COMMIT wil see the old data
[07:25] <tzanger> dSlaM: COMMIT has nothing to do with the data being stored properly on disk does it?
[07:25] <RHorse> lyrae lshw, lsusb?
[07:25] <telexicon> tzanger, well thats true on the SQL side, but the database software (i have postgres in mind), makes guarantees about the data integrity
[07:25] <tzanger> COMMIT and transactions just ensure ACID compliance, and that has nothing to do with on-disk
[07:25] <klenix> advice me ubuntu application for electronic schematic drawing.
[07:25] <blz> so bottom line for me (since I rarely mess with my partitions), I'm looking at either an LVM if I want to morph two drives into one logical drive, or RAID1 if I want redundancy, but not both
[07:25] <lyrae> RHorse: lsusb didnt give much. let me try others
[07:25] <ZeroBeholder> If I remember correctly COMMIT forces queued actions to be written to disk.
[07:25] <Juzman-EeePC> Kalmi: Newer kernel / gnome / gcc
[07:25] <tzanger> telexicon: with fsync=true, sure, but no sane system runs that way for performance reasons
[07:25] <BonezAU> hi all, i am running 64 bit ubuntu 9.04, i have an nvidia 9600GT (512mb) graph card and am using the 64 bit flash player from the repos. as soon as I try to full screen a youtube clip or something it goes all slow and choppy. This does not happen on my laptop...only diff is I am running nvidia dualview with 2x 22" monitors. Can anyone suggest how I can improve the flash performance?
[07:25] <mathias> hi, how to I install xen on jaunty? I can find any xen kernel image for use as dom0
[07:26] <varun> @Kalmi couldnt I just install something smaller like some correct dependencies to get the acetoneiso working
[07:26] <dSlaM> tzanger: not at all
[07:26] <ozzmosis> klenix: Kicad .. http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad/
[07:26] <kellyh> Juzman-EeePC: it could well be broken in a lot of places
[07:26] <Juzman-EeePC> kellyh: Then report bugs ;-)
[07:26] <telexicon> tzanger, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACID#Durability
[07:26] <dSlaM> tzanger: sorry i didn't read, i assume you mean SVN commit ?
[07:26] <Kalmi> Juzman-EeePC:, aren't you happy with jaunty?
[07:26] <kubuntuGuy> hi
[07:26] <telexicon> dSlaM, SQL COMMIT
[07:26] <tzanger> dSlaM: no, SQL transactions
[07:27] <dSlaM> lol sorry
[07:27] <telexicon> tzanger, most databases use a transaction log
[07:27] <mzz> blz: no, both makes perfect sense
[07:27] <telexicon> tzanger, that is fsync'd to disk as transactions are committed
[07:27] <blz> mzz:  for me? why?
[07:27] <kellyh> Juzman-EeePC: depends if you're using it for something critical or not
[07:27] <dSlaM> tzanger: i'll need a little more explanations to answer then, what was the question already ?
[07:27] <ozzmosis> BonezAU: Adobe's Flash plugin is just slow.  For youtube stuff you can use youtube-dl, then mplayer to watch in fullscreen.
[07:27] <xUltra> i just installed Ubuntu for the first time, and getting dual monitors setup. I am using the nvidia driver.. but it looks like the nvidia twinview isnt launching on startup... and ive figured out that when i start 'sudo nvidia-settings' in the terminal the other monitor finally starts working
[07:27] <RKR> heshan:  Are you online?
[07:27] <ZeroBeholder> Most databases will line up a few transactions before writing to make use of sequential read/write on the platters.  Which with spindles (conventional SATA/PATA/SCSI hard drives) can drive performance up.  COMMIT forces an early write.
[07:27] <kubuntuGuy> I am having a hard time installing ubuntu 9.04 on my emac, the onboard dvd player is dead and I cant seem to get it to boot off of a usb drive or external cd rom.
[07:28] <tzanger> telexicon: hmm, yes I suppose the transaction log would be consistered safe (and fsync()'d) -- but there is no guarantee that the transation log is on the same filesystem as the main database
[07:28] <BonezAU> ozzmosis, how come it plays fine in windows but not ubuntu?
[07:28] <kellyh> ozzmosis: its cos it is 32bit in a 64bit wrapper on 64bit Linux
[07:28] <mzz> blz: if you have more than one partition you'd have to partition both drives identically, then create one separate software raid device per partition if you don't use lvm, because iirc linux doesn't let you put regular partitions on top of a software raid device (correct me if I'm spreading fud here)
[07:28] <DaZ> BonezAU: what processor
[07:28] <tzanger> telexicon: and in fact often is not for various performance reasons, much the same way swap is not kept on the same spindle of high performance systems
[07:28] <BonezAU> DaZ: AMD dual core 6000+
[07:28] <telexicon> tzanger, sure, why not
[07:28] <ozzmosis> kellyh: that may be part of it, but it's slow even on 32-bit systems.
[07:28] <heshan> RKR: I don't have permission to modify ot
[07:28] <BonezAU> kellyh, it is the native 64 bit, not the 32 bit in the wrapper
[07:28] <heshan> *it
[07:28] <mzz> blz: with lvm you can create one single software raid device, then run lvm on top of that device (with only a single pv). This is more flexible and equally safe.
[07:28] <kellyh> BonezAU: you're running 32bit Windows i take it?
[07:28] <costin> helloo
[07:29] <klenix> ozzmosis: does it has complete library
[07:29] <BonezAU> kellyh, yes
[07:29] <tzanger> dSlaM: I'm just trying to remember if ACID compliance means that once a transaction is COMMITted, it is safe on the disk
[07:29] <ozzmosis> klenix: I don't know
[07:29] <kellyh> BonezAU: there is no official native 64bit
[07:29] <DaZ> i have the same graphic card, intel7200 and it works smoothly <:
[07:29] <ozzmosis> kellyh: there is a beta, afaik
[07:29] <DaZ> there is -.-
[07:29] <BonezAU> kellyh, well im running the one in the ubuntu repos
[07:29] <kellyh> the only native 64bit from Adobe is alpha
[07:29] <tzanger> dSlaM: i.e. if the system were to hardlock immediately after a COMMIT, if that transaction would be safe
[07:29] <ozzmosis> ok, alpha
[07:29] <BonezAU> in my firefox addons it shows "Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22"
[07:29] <dSlaM> tzanger: oh ok
[07:30] <ozzmosis> BonezAU: blame Adobe, essentially
[07:30] <kellyh> and its buggy :/ it fixes some bugs, but breaks other things (iPlayer caused firefox to bomb i found)
[07:30] <dSlaM> tzanger: i'm not sure of that
[07:30] <bullgard4> '~$ iwconfig; eth1 NOT READY! ESSID:off/any." 'sudo ifdown eth1; ifdown: interface eth1 not configured.' '~$ sudo ifup eth1; Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1'. How can I configure interface eth1?
[07:30] <ozzmosis> klenix: apt-get install kicad .. it's not a big download
[07:30] <Juzman-EeePC> Kalmi: Yeah. Jaunty is fine. I just like trying newer things
[07:30] <BonezAU> so am I better off using the alpha 64 bit version from adobe or the 32 bit version in the wrapper?
[07:30] <kubuntuGuy> going to bed
[07:30] <kubuntuGuy> ttyle
[07:30] <kellyh> BonezAU: what does it say along with that?
[07:30] <blz> mzz:  Let me get this straight.  As of right now each disk has 3 equally-sized partitions (/boot, swap, /), but with an lvm, I could set up both disks as RAID1 and then make an lvm on top of that, and then set up any partitioning scheme I want?
[07:30] <DaZ> BonezAU: 64bit
[07:31] <ZeroBeholder> mzz,blz > Depends on the controller, we have a few we sell that can do some really gnarly stuff...
[07:31] <mzz> blz: well, /boot is a bit of a problem.
[07:31] <kellyh> BonezAU: ie, what filename
[07:31] <blz> mzz:  doesn't that ammount to the same thing?
[07:31] <tzanger> dSlaM: your'e a professinal data modeller and work iwth DBs on a far more initmate level than me, so I didn't want to say "for sure" unless I knew... AFAIK the durability part of ACID just meant that the DB was in a consistent state as far as the DB was concerned, not necessarily the system
[07:31] <dSlaM> tzanger: IMO if a transaction is transmitted it's like the query was written, but like any query if the system crash the table data might be compromised aren't they ?
[07:31] <kellyh> (in about:plugins in firefox)
[07:31] <mzz> ZeroBeholder: I'm thinking software raid here
[07:31] <klenix> ozzmosis: yes already, thanks man.
[07:31] <telexicon> what
[07:31]  * DaZ thought ubuntu has 64bit flashplayer in repo
[07:31] <telexicon> tzanger, why would they design a system that way?
[07:31] <tzanger> dSlaM: the wikipedia page seems to suggest that the transaction log will be flushed after every commit, but that seems like an awful performance impact
[07:31] <Kalmi> Juzman-EeePC, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=upgrade+to+karmic+koala&l=1
[07:31] <RKR> heshan: Go for system-> Administration->Users and groups   at first you unlock it by providing your password here you can set your own permissions!
[07:31] <BonezAU> kellyh, there is no filename. but when i look in synaptic, the 'flashplugin-nonfree' package description is: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2 (which is the exact same alpha version that you download from the adobe site, in 64 bit)
[07:31] <telexicon> tzanger, what performance impact?
[07:31] <blz> mzz:  my point is that I have 2 disks, so I still don't see what an lvm has to offer... maybe I'm just missing the point
[07:32] <tzanger> telexicon: of doing a fsync() after every commit
[07:32] <telexicon> tzanger, say, its a linear log, and you're processing many transactions per second
[07:32] <dSlaM> tzanger: yep that's my thounght, the DB is in a consistant state ("ACID" view") but if the system was to crach, i'm not sure of the result
[07:32] <mzz> blz: you'd still win a bit if you ever add drives, but yeah, not that much point if you'll never have more than two logical volumes in the group
[07:32] <telexicon> tzanger, then it'd probably group COMMITs and fsync() multiple transactions as a group
[07:32] <tzanger> right
[07:32] <tzanger> but again
[07:32] <tzanger> let's say there are 5 commits pending
[07:32] <mzz> blz: I have *one* physical disk in this system and still use lvm, just because partitioning is more convenient.
[07:32] <tzanger> you crash.
[07:32] <telexicon> tzanger, also, since its a log, its just moving forward across the disk instead of random access
[07:32] <kellyh> BonezAU: it shows 10.0 r22 in my firefox, and its from the repos, but it also shows: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
[07:32] <tzanger> those 5 commits would NOT necessarily be on disk.
[07:32] <BonezAU> kellyh, let me look again
[07:32] <ZeroBeholder> Follow the other guy's advice then.  We don't make any money off of software RAID, so that is where most of my knowledge comes from.  I will be of less use.
[07:32] <telexicon> tzanger, right
[07:33] <U-b-u-n-t-u> in the ifconfig which one is the mac address to use for wireless mac filtering
[07:33] <Kalmi> !karmic | Juzman-EeePC
[07:33] <telexicon> tzanger, say, from an API level
[07:33] <ZeroBeholder> Night all.
[07:33] <tzanger> telexicon: that's what I'm talking about
[07:33] <tzanger> the filesystem does not know it has data to write yet
[07:33] <dSlaM> tzanger: really ? that's a pretty good question actually,
[07:33] <telexicon> tzanger, you make a commit() call, its not committed until the function returns
[07:33] <mzz> tzanger: depends on how the db is configured, I'm pretty sure
[07:33] <Kalmi> ZeroBeholder, morning all
[07:33] <BonezAU> kellyh, no, all mine says is "Shockwave Flash" and on the next line it says "Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22"
[07:33] <losher> tzanger: I'm far from a DB expert, but I thought a commit was about consistency of the data, which doesn't necessarily imply a disk write, whereas durability refers to whether the data will survive e.g. a power cycle, which in practice requires some kind of disk write....
[07:33] <kellyh> npwrapper is the cause of all the performance issues (and/or compiz apparently)
[07:33] <telexicon> tzanger, if you're using an asynchronous request, its not committed until you get a success response
[07:33] <kellyh> BonezAU: hmm
[07:33] <mzz> losher: yep
[07:33] <tzanger> mzz: yes, I know that postgres in particular has options to control how often to fsync() to actually flush the cache to disk
[07:33] <kellyh> BonezAU: which repo are you using to get that?
[07:33] <mzz> tzanger: yep
[07:33] <blz> mzz:  right, i get that.  but since I never parition and I only have two phisical HDDs, there's no point.  I should pick lvm or RAID1 depending on my goals (unified storage or redundancy)
[07:33] <Juzman-EeePC> Kalmi: ty
[07:33] <telexicon> tzanger, it doesnt send the success response until fsync() returns
[07:33] <U-b-u-n-t-u> kellyh, they both had the HWaddr
[07:33] <BonezAU> the only repos I use are the normal ubuntu ones and medibuntu
[07:34] <kellyh> BonezAU: medibuntu?
[07:34] <BonezAU> kellyh, yes
[07:34] <tzanger> telexicon: yes, but you don't necessarily fsync() after every commit. that's my point; if you aren't fsync()ing after every commit, then the DISK state is not necessarily consistent when you take a backup
[07:34] <DaZ> !medibuntu > kellyh
[07:34] <U-b-u-n-t-u> kellyh,  there are two mac address both start with  HWaddr  one is in wlan0 and one in ether0
[07:34] <DaZ> \o/
[07:34] <dsdeiz> how do i start xmms2 in gui? :D
[07:34] <mattwj20021> hi guys I need some help....when I try to play video in ubuntu I get a black screen but audio plays fine
[07:34] <BonezAU> !medibuntu > BonezAU
[07:34] <quibbler> !medibunt | kellyh
[07:34] <dSlaM> losher: i'm not a DB expert either, but i work with them everyday, and actually i was sure that the consistancy of the data were assured in a DB POINT OF VIEW, (therefore not in the "disk" point of view"
[07:34] <dSlaM> i don't know if i'm understood
[07:35] <quibbler> !medibuntu | kellyh
[07:35] <mattwj20021> it looks like the video is playing on a secondary screen or something
[07:35] <lyrae> RHorse: didnt work
[07:35] <mattwj20021> help would really be appreciated
[07:35] <kellyh> BonezAU: hmm, thats te exact same package i've installed, npwrapper is the 32bit wrapper thingy
[07:35] <mzz> tzanger: gets even trickier because unless your hardware's decent even an fsync doesn't necessarily guarantee it's safely on disk :)
[07:35] <lyrae> RHorse: it listed usb ports, but not devices connected to it
[07:35] <tzanger> mzz: yes, but as a hardware engineer I know ther eare tricks for that too
[07:35] <bullgard4> NetworkManager applet <IP_ADDRESS> > left-click shows me 3 radio network items. All three are shown with a symbol to the left of the field strength symbol. It symbolizes a monopole antenna radiation pattern with a shield in the lower right. What is the name of this symbol (icon)?
[07:35] <BonezAU> kellyh, i have no package called npwrapper installed
[07:35] <mattwj20021> anyone have any ideas?
[07:35] <tzanger> you can flush to disk and the on-disk cache may return "data's safe" when it's not
[07:36] <kellyh> U-b-u-n-t-u: wlan0 is your wifi, ether0 is likely onboard ethernet
[07:36] <RHorse> lyrae nothing under lshw or lspci?
[07:36] <mzz> tzanger: which makes for great benchmark scores!
[07:36] <BonezAU> kellyh, open synaptic and search for 'flashplugin' and see if you have two packages that show up, one called flashplugin-nonfree and one called flashplugin-installer
[07:36] <telexicon> tzanger, theres stuff like barriers, and battery backed cache
[07:36] <mzz> tzanger: and we all care about those!
[07:36] <dSlaM> i'm sure people already experienced a corrup DB evene if the data were written before
[07:36] <BonezAU> kellyh, then tell me what the version numbers are
[07:36] <tzanger> but there are little tricks there too, like when disk power fails it uses the rotating spindles to give enough juice to write cache to disk as the disk spins down... but that's a dangerous game as well
[07:36] <tzanger> telexicon: yep
[07:36] <blz> alright guys... I'm going to bed
[07:36] <blz> thanks for the help
[07:36] <dSlaM> that's why my first thought was, commit doesn't necessarilly mean datais written
[07:36] <kellyh> <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2 BonezAU
[07:37] <blz> mzz, tzanger:  special thanks to you guys
[07:37] <mattwj20021> I am thinking it might be a driver issue or something
[07:37] <mattwj20021> :(
[07:37] <telexicon> but if it returns commit success, and then there is power loss
[07:37] <tzanger> all kinds of things you can do... but again from a disk point of view, you still have to tell the DB "I am gonna need this on disk now", *THEN* xfs_freeze/LVM snapshot, *THEN* tell the DB to continue, *THEN* backup.
[07:37] <telexicon> then it fails the D in ACID
[07:37] <BonezAU> kellyh, exact same as me. do you have problems with crappy playback in full screen?
[07:37] <U-b-u-n-t-u> kellyh, that is obvious I want to know which one to use in my mac filtering for the router
[07:37] <kellyh> BonezAU: not tried fullscreen tbh
[07:37] <RHorse> mattwj20021 have you dl'd all the codecs?
[07:37] <tzanger> telexicon: I definitely agree with you in theory, but I also know that the difference between theory and practise is that in theory, there is no difference between theory and practise. :-)
[07:38] <kellyh> i had issues with slowdown and screen going grey, turning compiz off fixed that for the most part though
[07:38] <BonezAU> kellyh, ok
[07:38] <telexicon> tzanger, lol
[07:38] <JackGray> U-b-u-n-t-u: start with don't use mac filtering
[07:38] <telexicon> tzanger, i remember reading something in the mysql docs about this
[07:38] <mattwj2002> !medibuntu > mattwj2002
[07:38] <BonezAU> kellyh, i am going to try turning off all my desktop effects and see what happens in full screen, brb
[07:38] <kellyh> U-b-u-n-t-u: the wlan0 if you want to add your wifi to your mac filter on your router
[07:38] <telexicon> tzanger, myisam isnt ACID compliant, so you'd have to do something like you recommend, telling the db before you make a backup
[07:38] <telexicon> tzanger, but InnoDB you can just snapshot
[07:38] <tzanger> telexicon: I have never trusted mysql ever since they started claiming they were ACID compliant by virtue of redefining what ACID meant :-)
[07:38] <bullgard4> [Ubuntu 9.0 after thawing.] '~$ iwconfig; eth1 NOT READY! ESSID:off/any.' 'sudo ifdown eth1; ifdown: interface eth1 not configured.' '~$ sudo ifup eth1; Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1'. How can I configure the interface eth1?
[07:38] <telexicon> tzanger, let me see if i can reference that
[07:38] <tzanger> now granted that was a LONG time ago
[07:38] <kraut> moin
[07:38] <Kalmi> U-b-u-n-t-u: go back to #windows!
[07:39] <trupheenix> hi i'm having an issue where i am unable to connect to my nokia phone over bluetooth. i do lsusb, my usb device shows up. however when i do hcitool scan, it says no device found. :(
[07:39] <dSlaM> tzanger: as telexicon says, innodb "should" be acid compliant ;)
[07:39] <trupheenix> hcitool dev also gives nothing
[07:39] <tzanger> trupheenix: is the module loaded for your particular BT dongle?
[07:39] <lyrae> RHorse: nope. lsusb says 'Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:a133 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd Gateway Webcam' but not the driver its using
[07:39] <JackGray> Kalmi: aw that's not nice what was that for...
[07:39] <trupheenix> however with lsusb it shows up
[07:40] <tzanger> trupheenix: what does lsusb | grep -i blue say
[07:40] <tzanger> should only be one line
[07:40] <trupheenix> tzanger: hmmm it's an internal bluetooth adapter in my laptop
[07:40] <tzanger> trupheenix: ok, bluetooth dongle, internal bluetooth dongle...s ame thing :-)
[07:40] <telexicon> tzanger, "For cases of operating system crashes or power failures, we can assume that MySQL's disk data is available after a restart. The InnoDB data files might not contain consistent data due to the crash, but InnoDB reads its logs and finds in them the list of pending committed and non-committed transactions that have not been flushed to the data files. InnoDB automatically rolls back those transactions that were not committed, and flushes to
[07:40] <telexicon>  its data files those that were committed"
[07:40] <trupheenix> tzanger: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 413c:8126 Dell Computer Corp. Wireless 355 Bluetooth
[07:40] <tzanger> telexicon: hmm, ok
[07:40] <lazyangel> how do i set the env for ruby? /usr/bin/env: ruby: No such file or directory
[07:41] <kellyh> odd, medibuntu doesn't list any flash player on the packages list
[07:41] <tzanger> trupheenix: sounds like an HCI_USB device
[07:41] <kellyh> so BonezAU flash can't be coming from there, unless they've missed it off...
[07:41] <trupheenix> tzanger: yea but nothing under the dev tree
[07:41] <dSlaM> trupheenix: i got a BT dongle as well,  couldn't make it work with my sony-ericson S500I, until i installed.... gbluetooth...... can't figure out what was the problem, but it worked.... god do whatever he does in mysterious ways
[07:42] <tzanger> trupheenix: lsmod | grep hci_uart
[07:42] <tzanger> trupheenix: what's that show
[07:42] <BonezAU> kellyh, it seems to be working heaps better now that i've turned off all my visual effects... what a bummer
[07:43] <tzanger> BonezAU: what video card?
[07:43] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[07:43] <dSlaM> telexicon: what happens in the same case with myisam ?
[07:43] <mattwj2002> can I get some help please?
[07:43] <BonezAU> tzanger, Nvidia 9600GT 512mb
[07:43] <dsdeiz> anyone knows what xmms client he is using here? http://linuxreviews.org/software/media-sound/
[07:43] <tzanger> BonezAU: ahh okay... can't help you there :-)
[07:43] <JackGray> mattwj2002: ask and ye shall receive young grasshopper...
[07:43] <quibbler> !ask | mattwj2002
[07:43] <dsdeiz> the #4 in the screenshot :D
[07:43] <trupheenix> tzanger: nothin
[07:43] <mattwj2002> thank you
[07:43] <BonezAU> tzanger, ah well at least i know what the issue is now :)
[07:43] <Kalmi> !ask | mattwj2002
[07:43] <tzanger> trupheenix: hmm okay
[07:43] <BonezAU> kellyh, cheers for ur help
[07:43] <dSlaM> telexicon: transaction apart of course, let's say "insert into" is being performed
[07:44] <NuclearStat> boo!
[07:44] <mattwj2002> I am getting a black screen when I try to play video with ubuntu
[07:44] <kellyh> BonezAU: yeah i think its a combination bug, between flash, nvidia drivers (You're using the nvidia binary drivers yes?) and compiz/visual effects
[07:44] <mattwj2002> I found a work around but it is a pain
[07:44] <SetiAmon> Hey just out of curiosity what irc client do you guys use?I use konversation
[07:44] <locker> sdfsf
[07:44] <NuclearStat> pidgeontoe
[07:44] <kellyh> SetiAmon: X-Chat
[07:44] <mattwj2002> if I switch the output in vlc for example to x11 it work
[07:44] <BonezAU> kellyh, yes, nvidia binary from repos, all makes sense now too. thank you
[07:44] <mattwj2002> *works
[07:44] <dSlaM> xchat too
[07:44] <Kalmi> !offtopic | |SetiAmon
[07:44]  * DaZ uses flash, nvidia drivers and composite and... it works :f
[07:45] <tzanger> trupheenix: google's indicating that there may be some trickiness to getting that particular dongle to work with linux
[07:45] <kellyh> BonezAU: an irritating bug to be sure, hopefully it'll be resolved soon/by 9.10
[07:45] <mattwj2002> what is causing this blank screen?
[07:45] <SetiAmon> not really off topic Kalmi as these are clients that come packed with ubuntu
[07:45] <Gnome_Danny> Hey, Any idea on how to increase fan rates on a dell laptop using linux?
[07:45] <Kalmi> mattwj2002, try disabling desktp effect
[07:45] <BonezAU> kellyh, that would be nice
[07:45] <NuclearStat> anyone know an easy way to get SATA DVD to work with linux
[07:45] <tzanger> trupheenix: hciconfig -a gives anything ?
[07:45] <losher> dsdeiz: if you follow the links, it looks like xmms 1.2.11. There are ubuntu packages...
[07:45] <lazyangel> how do i set the env for ruby? /usr/bin/env: ruby: No such file or directory
[07:45] <Chr|s> !anyone
[07:45] <kellyh> NuclearStat: should just work if the SATA controller is supported
[07:45] <tzanger> Chr|s: he did ask his question..
[07:46] <mattwj2002> :O
[07:46] <mattwj2002> it works!
[07:46] <mattwj2002> :D
[07:46] <dsdeiz> losher: I only see xmms2 in the repo
[07:46] <NuclearStat> SATA CDROMS don't seem to want to boot, for me...
[07:46] <dsdeiz> is that the same? :S
[07:46]  * mattwj2002 buys Kalmi a beer
[07:46] <kellyh> NuclearStat: might be your bios can't boot cdroms from sata?
[07:46] <trupheenix> tzanger: nothing
[07:46] <Kalmi> mattwj2002, but you have lost the pretty effects... what kind of video card do you have?
[07:46] <tzanger> hmm... I'm not sure if I can help
[07:46] <NuclearStat> IDE proliferations are weakest at boot time POST errors, galore.
[07:47] <losher> dsdeiz: sorry, dunno then. I don't use it myself...
[07:47] <mzz> lazyangel: that translates to "you don't have ruby installed, or the main executable isn't called just "ruby""
[07:47] <jmarsden> lazyangel: sudo apt-get install ruby   # to install it ?
[07:47] <mattwj2002> ati express x1150 I think
[07:47] <NuclearStat> Even UltimateBOOT CD won't cut it.
[07:47] <mzz> lazyangel: so yeah, what jmarsden said
[07:47] <kellyh> NuclearStat: what kind of POST errors?
[07:47] <NuclearStat> Poor little old FreeDos, nuthin'
[07:48] <tzanger> trupheenix: you have installed the bluez-utils package?
[07:48] <NuclearStat> xcdrom driver is under development, I hope.
[07:48] <SetiAmon> I haven't tried my cdrom yet,it loaded off the livecd so i imagine it would work.
[07:49] <losher> dsdeiz: I went to http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~knuta/xmms/jaunty/ and I see debs for xmms 1.2.11 as promised...
[07:49] <NuclearStat> i ain't goin' bak to IDE.  forget it, already.
[07:49] <SetiAmon> I thought IDE was discontinued awhile ago
[07:49] <mattwj2002> now my HDTV works
[07:49] <mattwj2002> :D
[07:49] <dSlaM> NuclearStat: why that ? :)
[07:49] <NuclearStat> don't like ide's
[07:49] <dsdeiz> losher: thanks for the info, mate :)
[07:49] <dSlaM> hehehe
[07:50] <trupheenix> tzanger: let me checks
[07:50] <kellyh> NuclearStat: the drives are the same apart from the connector
[07:50] <SetiAmon> 10 years ago i had a lot of problems with linux.infact the only linux that worked on my pc was SuSE
[07:50] <NuclearStat> xcdrom is the issue, and I can't find a suitable copy for compile.
[07:50] <trupheenix> tzanger: yes installed
[07:50] <dSlaM> NuclearStat: what's your problem already ? cnat' find it from this mess
[07:51] <tzanger> trupheenix: just for fun
[07:51] <tzanger> trupheenix: sudo modinfo hci_uart
[07:51] <tzanger> er
[07:51] <NuclearStat> ubuntu boots fine, but utilities are sparse.  and WD doesn't even talk to me, much
[07:51] <tzanger> trupheenix: sudo modprobe hci_uart
[07:51] <dSlaM> mmmmm okay
[07:51] <losher> NuclearStat: you sound confused. You don't like IDE but your sata dvd won't boot. What's left? Telepathy?
[07:51] <trupheenix> tzanger: already done... no use :(
[07:51] <bullgard4> [Ubuntu 9.0 after thawing.] '~$ iwconfig; eth1 NOT READY! ESSID:off/any.' 'sudo ifdown eth1; ifdown: interface eth1 not configured.' '~$ sudo ifup eth1; Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1'. How can I configure the interface eth1?
[07:51] <NuclearStat> Yes, get a check. up?
[07:52] <NuclearStat> don't make me go nuclear, already!
[07:52] <tzanger> trupheenix: you don't have bluetooth disabled or something do you? ("radio" button/switch)
[07:52] <dSlaM> losher: wasn'it a time were hdd were in serial os an even worst format ? perhaps it would do the job
[07:52] <owen1> i have nvidia and got 2 monitors. how to make both work (not as one big screen but two seperate)?
[07:52] <Kalmi> bullgard4, have you added anything to /etc/network/interfaces?
[07:52] <trupheenix> tzanger: no it's very much enabled. bluetooth led is on.
[07:52] <tzanger> trupheenix: google mentioned having to boot to windows and make sure it was enabled in that OS
[07:52] <tzanger> trupheenix: sorry then... I don't know what else to do with that particular issue
[07:53] <kellyh> owen1: you need to use the nvida settings tool and configure them for twinview
[07:53] <trupheenix> tzanger: if bluetooth was disabled, it wouldn't even show up in lsusb
[07:53] <tzanger> trupheenix: generally speaking that is true
[07:53] <NuclearStat> losher, basically it's the driver __xcdrom__ for SATA.  Can't get it to work with my setup.
[07:53] <dSlaM> he left !!! :!'(
[07:53] <owen1> kellyh: i tried. isn't twinview makes them one giant screen?
[07:53] <kellyh> owen1: no, twinview is what makes them seperate
[07:54] <kellyh> owen1: both DVI? or VGA?
[07:54] <dSlaM> NuclearStat: oh it's not a hdd problem ???
[07:54] <owen1> kellyh: one vga one dvi
[07:54] <NuclearStat> Not really.  Boot issue on SATA DVD writer.  Ubuntu fine, repartition at BOOT level.  No go, no zeroing the disk.
[07:54] <owen1> kellyh: in nvidia-settings, sohuld i choose 'seperate X screen' for each of them?
[07:54] <losher> NuclearStat: some older bioses don't support booting from SATA. Are you sure yours does
[07:55] <bullgard4> Kalmi: 'cat /etc/network/interfaces; auto lo; iface lo inet loopback'.
[07:55] <kellyh> owen1: yes
[07:55] <NuclearStat> Yes, UBUNTU is great.  Love 9,04
[07:55] <kellyh> owen1: was just reminding myself as you asked
[07:55] <Kalmi> bullgard4, ok... you didn't touch it...
[07:55] <dSlaM> NuclearStat: i assume the questiopn was already asked, can't you fink another cd reader, IDE or something ?
[07:55] <NuclearStat> absolutey, ain't gonna'
[07:55] <kellyh> NuclearStat: what SATA chipset?
[07:55] <dSlaM> ok
[07:55] <owen1> kellyh: i get error when trying to do that. give me a second to paste it here. (can't copy paste, it's on the UI, not terminal)
[07:55] <dSlaM> mmm
[07:56] <NuclearStat> NVIDIA 8200
[07:56] <NuclearStat> cpu 7750
[07:56] <NuclearStat> no overclock
[07:56] <dSlaM> sorry can't help you on that one, never dealt with sata cd drives
[07:56] <gio> alguem fala português?
[07:56] <NuclearStat> It's my first SATA, and Inet searches yield little.
[07:56] <losher> !br | gio
[07:56] <kellyh> never heard of nvidia 8200 chipset
[07:56] <dSlaM> gio> nop, you might want to go to an #ubunto-XX chan where XX is your country
[07:56] <maxmahem> Any help in getting a bluetooth mouse to pair reliably/automatically? I can pair it with hidd -search but it doesn't last after a suspend. Also where can I find any documentation on this stuff?
[07:56] <NuclearStat> ASUS M3N78 motherboard, cheap
[07:57] <gio> eu que agradeço! abraços
[07:57] <lazyangel> how do i set the env for ruby? /usr/bin/env: ruby: No such file or directory
[07:57] <owen1> kellyh: should i enable the 'xinerama' checkbox as well? and should i click on 'save to X configuration file'?
[07:57] <gio> #ubuntu-br
[07:57] <skrite> hey all
[07:57] <dSlaM> gio: you got it ;)
[07:57] <kellyh> owen1: not sure to the first one, yes to second
[07:58] <J-_> How would I download all the files in this directory: http://ia301514.us.archive.org/1/items/12rec.015/ I've looked at the wget man page, various other resources from google and I can't seem to do it.
[07:58] <Kalmi> bullgard4, you shouldn't need to use ifup... Why can't you just use Network Manager?
[07:58] <dSlaM> lazyangel: what's the problem ?
[07:58] <skrite> the new desktop OSD that is the way cool thing in new Ubuntu, what package provides that?
[07:58] <owen1> kellyh: ok. btw, there is a drawing of two monitors, and they overlap (the small one is inside the area of the big one) is it ok?
[07:58] <Kalmi> J-_, google: wget spider
[07:59] <losher> NuclearStat: done a goodle search for 'ASUS M3N78 sata boot' ?
[07:59] <NuclearStat> I'll keep checking on SATA xcdrom drivers, thanks
[07:59] <MaXXou> hello
[07:59] <bullgard4> Kalmi: The NetworkManager is installed.
[07:59] <SetiAmon> Gotz some Lays and gots sum Budz
[07:59] <SetiAmon> err
[07:59] <owen1> kellyh: i see position 'absolute' for both. should i keep that?
[07:59] <SetiAmon> wrong window sorryw
[07:59] <NuclearStat> losher, it's a no go with most popular utils, thanks.
[07:59] <kellyh> owen1: the other should be to one side of the other
[07:59] <Kalmi> bullgard4, what happens if you try to use it?
[07:59] <lazyangel> dSlaM: if i try to run a ruby program, i get that output
[08:00] <Gnome_Danny> Hello, how come there is a line running threw the right hand side of avant window navigator, I am trying to install mac4lin
[08:00] <rgmz> how can i configure my fingerprint reader
[08:00] <dSlaM> lazyangel:  add /usr/bin/ruby1.9 to your ENVPATH
[08:01] <owen1> kellyh: ok. one is absolute and the other is 'to the right of' and now they apear next to each other. i will hit save to X and hit apply and try to paste the error message i get.
[08:01] <bullgard4> Kalmi: "use" is such a general word. I'm using NetworkManager every day. Still, the problem exists.
[08:01] <dSlaM> lazyangel: (and you might want to check in your ruby src file if the path is correctly set to this path)
[08:01] <kellyh> owen1: ok
[08:01] <MaXXou> how to change the theme of the single application!
[08:01] <Kalmi> bullgard4, what happens if you try to connect to a wireless network?
[08:01] <rgmz> how can i configure my fingerprint reader
[08:01] <dSlaM> lazyangel: (and you might want to install ruby XD apt-get install ruby1.9..... not sure about the orthograph
[08:02] <owen1> kellyh: Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.con.   and in the terminal i see: PARSE ERROR:  Parse error on line 47 of section Module in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf. "Disable" is not a valid keyword in this section.
[08:02] <MaXXou> or how not to apply the theme general gnome has an application?
[08:03] <lazyangel> dslam i have installed ruby1.9 but it didn't set the ENVPATH
[08:03] <bullgard4> The computer does not connect.  --  What command-line command do you recommend me to issue?
[08:03] <kellyh> owen1: not sure sorry
[08:03] <bullgard4> Kalmi: The computer does not connect.  --  What command-line command do you recommend me to issue?
[08:03] <maxmahem> hmm... I may have figured it out.
[08:03] <owen1> kellyh: i am googling for it. thanks. at least i know i should use nvidia-settings.
[08:03] <maxmahem> They really need some more/easier to find documentation on this bluetooth stuff.
[08:03] <lazyangel> dSlaM: but how do i add it to ENVPATH?
[08:04] <dSlaM> lazyangel: do it manually : /home/you/.bashrc
[08:04] <kellyh> owen1: yep, nvidia-settings with 9.04 worked for me with it
[08:04] <dSlaM> export PATH=${PATH}:/usr/bin/ruby1.9
[08:04] <dSlaM> ( lazyangel )
[08:04] <lazyangel> dSlaM: thanks
[08:04] <Kalmi> bullgard4, so... you see the list of wireless networks... you click on one of them... what happensd then? does it ask for a password?
[08:04] <owen1> kellyh: what window manager/desktop environment are u using?
[08:04] <dSlaM> np
[08:05] <kellyh> owen1: Gnome/Metacity
[08:05] <alan_simmonds> morning
[08:05] <dSlaM> lazyangel: you have to close and relaunch your tem after that
[08:05] <alan_simmonds> so here is a question
[08:05] <maxmahem> the stupid gnome bluetooth aplet thing is worthless. It list's my device with a little star beside it. There is also a star button I can click. Course I have no idea what it means or what it does!!!
[08:05] <dSlaM> r*
[08:05] <alan_simmonds> do you think that lates wine could cause my network to stop working/
[08:05] <lazyangel> dSlaM: didnt know that ENVPATH and PATH was the same thing :)
[08:05] <bullgard4> Kalmi: Wait a few minutes. I will repeat the procedure.
[08:05] <dSlaM> hehe ;)
[08:05] <owen1> kellyh: i am using ubuntu with no desktop environment. only awesome wm. maybe i need to enable something like nvidia drivers or something?
[08:06] <kellyh> owen1: not sure sorry. need to go now. hope you fix it.
[08:06] <maxmahem> also question: is there a way I can turn the -v verbose option for stuff like rm, chmod, and what not on by default in bash?
[08:07] <dSlaM> ( lazyangel: actually i dont really understand why this doens't work, 'cause the path include /usr/bin in my experience !!???? )
[08:07] <dSlaM> (so ruby should be in it
[08:07] <dSlaM> )
[08:08] <lazyangel> dSlaM: now i get /usr/bin/env: ruby: Not a directory
[08:09] <alan_simmonds> anyone think it is a possibility that wine could have killed my network in jaunty
[08:09] <DaZ> alan_simmonds: no
[08:09] <dSlaM> lazyangel: what's the first line of your ruby file ?
[08:10] <lazyangel> dSlaM: #!/usr/bin/env ruby
[08:10] <alan_simmonds> Daz: bugger
[08:10] <lazyangel> dSlaM: i think it has to be the directory for the ruby, not the executable
[08:10] <dSlaM> trey to change it to #!/usr/bin/ruby1.9
[08:10] <dSlaM> try*
[08:11] <lazyangel> dSlaM: didnt help
[08:11] <christopher_> is there a image program that can read images by the pixels rather than the file name to find duplicates? say you have multiple images with different file names
[08:11] <dSlaM> ok wait a sec
[08:12] <alan_simmonds> anyone had thier jaunty network stop working and been able to fix it?
[08:12] <lazyangel> dSlaM: guess the easiest is to change the first line :)
[08:13] <dSlaM> lazyangel: yep buty you have to do that in every ruby file, quite annoying, there is a command to do that, like env -u or something like that, i'm trying to fin the good one
[08:14] <mobi-sheep> christopher_: I think F-Spot does that.
[08:14] <dSlaM> (anyone can help me on this one ??)
[08:15] <dSlaM> man env, tells :
[08:15] <christopher_> ah true, sounds great
[08:15] <dSlaM>  env [OPTION]... [-] [NAME=VALUE]
[08:15] <christopher_> i will have a nosey, thnaks
[08:15] <dSlaM> lazyangel: i guess env ruby=/usr/bin/ruby1.9
[08:15] <dSlaM> lazyangel: should do the trick
[08:16] <alan_simmonds> anyone have a clue about why my network in jaunty stopped working?
[08:16] <dSlaM> lazyangel: but u have to have install ruby 1.9 first
[08:18] <skrite> hey all, testing a notify script, would someone respond pls?
[08:18] <dSlaM> skrite: plop
[08:18] <lazyangel> dSlaM: it didnt, but this worked: sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.9 /usr/bin/ruby
[08:19] <dSlaM> hehe gg, will remember :)
[08:19] <kraut> does anybody know, if the usb-dongle of a ventus weather station is supported in any way?
[08:19] <lazyangel> dSlaM: thanks for helping me :)
[08:19] <dSlaM> np, i guess i didn't help much but anyway :)
[08:22] <owen1> when using 2 monitores as seperate screens (not as one giant screen) do they have to use the same resolution?
[08:23] <Bllasae> is it safe/possible to defragment Ubuntu's partition from the Windows Defragmenter?
[08:23] <bullgard4> Kalmi: No, I do not see that list of wireless networks  in NetworkManager applet.
[08:23] <skrite> \quit
[08:23] <skrite> \quit
[08:23] <Bllasae> it's /quit
[08:23] <dSlaM> owen1: last time i used 2 monitors, i was still running widows... one monitor in 1024*768, the other one in 800*600, i'm guessing you won't have any problem doeing this with ubuntu
[08:24] <Jasper> dSlaM is right, it should work fine
[08:24] <Bllasae> is it safe/possible to defragment Ubuntu's partition from the Windows Defragmenter?
[08:25] <owen1> dSlaM: i just both 23' and i don't want to 'downgrade' it to 1024x768 because of the old monitor.
[08:25] <Jasper> owen1: Are you using Jaunty?
[08:25] <dSlaM> Bllasae: gnu/linux filesystem are not meant to be defragmented, even if you "can"
[08:25] <owen1> Jasper: yes
[08:25] <Bllasae> Alright
[08:26] <Soren123> nope
[08:26] <dSlaM> owen1: don't worry about it it'll work fine
[08:26] <Bllasae> Well, what if I want to defragment my C:/ drive, where the Ubuntu partition is
[08:26] <Bllasae> Will it survive?
[08:26] <Soren123> completely different
[08:26] <Soren123> :D
[08:26] <dSlaM> Bllasae: wtf ??????
[08:26] <Jasper> I did it before, altough you may have to install ubuntu with both screens connected, as it's easiest
[08:26] <mypapit_prob> !wtf|dslam
[08:26] <Guest24812> No driver support for ati video cards?
[08:26] <dSlaM> yep i know sorry
[08:27] <dSlaM> anyway
[08:27] <Guest24812> you talking to me?
[08:27] <skyl> WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!
[08:27] <dSlaM> Bllasae: how can u have an "ubuntu" partitiuon" on your C: drive ?
[08:27] <skyl> postgres
[08:27] <owen1> dSlaM: Jasper i get this error when trying to apply changes in nvidia-settings: Failed to set MetaMode (1) 'CRT-0: nvidia-auto-select @1024x768 +0+0' (Mode 1024x768, id: 0) on X screen 0.
[08:27] <Bllasae> I partitioned it
[08:27] <skyl> and pretty much everythin else I've been installing
[08:27] <skyl> what does this mean?
[08:27] <Bllasae> and made one part of it Ubuntu
[08:28] <Bllasae> and the rest Windows
[08:28] <dSlaM> Bllasae: then it's not on the same partition, don't worry about linux, defragment your windows partition but not the ext* one
[08:28] <Jasper> Did you execute nvidia-settings as root?
[08:28] <Bllasae> okay thanks
[08:28] <owen1> dSlaM: Jasper screen 0 is my old vga (1024x768)
[08:29] <alan_simmonds> ok here is the question and problem. i upgraded to jaunty, 2 days ago it stopped recieving dhcp from the router, and even when i made it a static ip i couldnt ping out, i tried the liv ibex cd which normally works and got the same problem, when i boot to windows it does work, so the network card does work..it is onboard realtek and usually works in ubuntu..nay ideas?
[08:29] <dSlaM> owen1: sorry, as i said before i didn't try it for a long time, someone here will better answer this
[08:29] <Bluespuke> hi, i have a running ubuntu (9.04) but it's a little screwed up (coming from kubuntu->xubuntu->ubuntu 8.04) and now i would like to format and reinstall 9.04 but i can't burn a cd neither my laptop has a floppy drive or can boot from usb... any suggestions?
[08:30] <tank-man> run on sentence ;)
[08:30] <alan_simmonds> now it works again...i dont get it
[08:30] <alan_simmonds> thanks anyways:)
[08:32] <Kalmi> bullgard4, you could try the commands here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiWithSomeoneElsesRouter
[08:32] <Kalmi> !wireless | bullgard4
[08:32] <Cantcme> has anyone successfully setup multiseat in ubuntu 9.04?
[08:32] <dSlaM> "multiseat" ?
[08:32] <bullgard4> Kalmi: I will read that. --  Thank you.
[08:33] <genii> dSlaM: A single computer with multiple monitor/keyboard/mounse
[08:33] <genii> *mouse
[08:33] <Cantcme> yeh thats it
[08:33] <dSlaM> oh ok
[08:33] <nick2> hi i'm a fresh installer, but with a bit of a specific network / no dvd drive problem. can anyone advise?
[08:33] <dSlaM> (sorry france here)
[08:33] <genii> dSlaM: So 2-3+ people can use the same system but as if they were at differemt
[08:34] <Cantcme> yeh ive been having trouble getting it to work on 9.04
[08:34] <dSlaM> Cantcme: sorry can't help here, when needed at work we do it with vn
[08:34] <dSlaM> c
[08:34] <Bluespuke> hi, i have a running ubuntu (9.04) but it's a little screwed up (coming from kubuntu->xubuntu->ubuntu 8.04) and now i would like to format and reinstall 9.04 but i can't burn a cd neither my laptop has a floppy drive or can boot from usb... any suggestions?
[08:35] <dSlaM> Bluespuke: network install ?
[08:35] <tank-man> just update
[08:35] <genii> Bluespuke: You have another linux machine?
[08:35] <Bluespuke> no that's the only one...
[08:36] <Bluespuke> but i have a windows xp besides
[08:36] <Cantcme> Bluespuke, if you have the ISO try going system -> Administration -> usb startup disc
[08:36] <dSlaM> Bluespuke: install on an usb key, then boot from an ubuntu live-cd (even old) and install grub ?
[08:37] <Nahy> hi im using hardy and it's been a while i've lost my internet connection (as my machine is a client of a LAN)
[08:37] <njathan> i have an intel core2duo processor laptop. Should i use Ubuntu 32bit? or 64bit iso?
[08:38] <rawDawg> i decided i want to get into linux, any tips on some good reads?
[08:38] <Ranakah> you can use 64 or 32 bit
[08:38] <dSlaM> njathan: how many ram ?
[08:38] <njathan> 2 gigs
[08:38] <dSlaM> 32 will works fine
[08:38] <njathan> dSlaM, 2 gigs of it
[08:38] <bullgard4> Cantcme: http://people.freedesktop.org/~mccann/doc/ConsoleKit/ConsoleKit.html#id2527455: "True, hardware, multi-seat capabilities will be added in a later release."
[08:38] <owen1> i have 2 monitors. can i make the focus on the big one and not the small?
[08:39] <matt098> hello, can ne one help me out with an ati radeon hd 4870 video card problem ?????
[08:39] <Cantcme> bullgard4, thanks for that but im very impatient lol
[08:39] <Kalmi> rawDawg, just download the Ubuntu Desktop CD install it and get back here if you have any problems
[08:39] <SetiAmon> You know what i like about linux in general?
[08:39] <infinityxi> I am having a problem sending large files over sftp using nautilus. It craps out after a dozen or so megabytes. Anyone know the deal with that? Also the ssh server is running on a windows machine via cygwin
[08:39] <SetiAmon> there is always people up in the middle of the night,talking
[08:39] <Chr|s> SetiAmon: save it for #ubuntu-offtopic please :D
[08:40] <SetiAmon> k
[08:40] <Cantcme> not to mention its 6pm here
[08:40] <dSlaM> njathan: u can run both of em, but in my experience the prime advantage of 64 bits is the "takingg account of more than 4g RAM" (sorry for the english here)
[08:40] <SetiAmon> were you at?
[08:40] <mobi-sheep> infinityxi: You might want to try Filezilla.
[08:40] <dSlaM> france
[08:40] <Nahy> PLEASE someone help me about this:hi im using hardy and it's been a while i've lost my internet connection (as my machine is a client of a LAN)
[08:40] <Cantcme> aus
[08:40] <Chr|s> Cantcme: its not 6pm it could be 6:40pm
[08:40] <Cantcme> well actually its 5:40pm just rounded it off
[08:40] <Kalmi> SetiAmon, it's only 10 am :)
[08:40] <infinityxi> mobi-sheep: I know I can use something else but do you think it's a bug. I mean after it craps out i cannot connect to it or even unmount it
[08:40] <njathan> i just downloaded and tried to install the 64 bit version, however i encountered the following error:http://pastebin.com/d6380762
[08:41] <Chr|s> Cantcme: ahh that works too
[08:41] <p-f> is there a tool that would allow me to execute a command everytime a file is changed? I imagine there must be some sort of watch/inotify hybrid out there.
[08:41] <dSlaM> hehehe 9:40here ^^
[08:41] <SetiAmon> I'm in california
[08:41] <SetiAmon> were are you guys,china?
[08:41] <SetiAmon> N/M
[08:41] <Chr|s> NY here
[08:41] <dSlaM> France my friend
[08:41] <infinityxi> mobi-sheep: I was just using it to check it out and noticed the issue. I can always use samba because the host box is a windows machine
[08:41] <Ultimate_darknes> !cedega
[08:41] <Ibanor> hello everyone, I am adding an hdd to my system and I am about to update my /etc/fstab and add the new drive to my mounts. But I see that ubuntu already use some kind of UUID with /dev/mapper and I am wondering if there is an ubuntu procedure to add drives.
[08:41] <Ibanor> ?
[08:42] <dSlaM> 9:40 am should i precise, YES RIGHT sunday !!! XD
[08:42] <p-f> found one, nevermind: inotify-tools
[08:42] <mobi-sheep> infinityxi: I don't know really. I stick with Filezilla when transferring files.  I wouldn't want to be connected with samba all times as the network may degrade over time.
[08:42] <Nahy> PLEASE someone help me about this:hi im using hardy and it's been a while i've lost my internet connection (as my machine is a client of a LAN)
[08:43] <mobi-sheep> infinityxi: Try Filezilla and if nothing funny happened, then you kinda know what to avoid. :>
[08:43] <dSlaM> Nahy: more info ?$
[08:43] <Cantcme> http://www.automation.dn.ua/linux/3d-multiseat_en.html would this multiseat guide work with 1 nvidia and 1 ati card on 9.04?
[08:44] <Nahy> what d u want?
[08:44] <infinityxi> mobi-sheep: point taken, thanks. I am going to file a bug report or see if the issue is there either way.
[08:44] <dSlaM> Cantcme: question not related, where does your nick come from ? :)
[08:44] <Cantcme> just thought of it on the spot
[08:44] <zhism> can someone tell me, why mdpscribble is not saving my songs in mpdscribble.cache when im offline !!!?
[08:44] <Nahy> i manually enter the gateway adresses  and etc
[08:45] <dSlaM> Nahy: topology of the network ? when dit it stop working and why if uy know it, etc  ???
[08:45] <wanna_learn_more> !bonding
[08:45] <Cantcme> !multiseat
[08:45] <genii> Cantcme: Somewhere I have a multi-seat *buntu howto in my bookmarks. Give me a few minutes
[08:45] <dSlaM> Cantcme: hehehe ok thought it was WWE related
[08:45] <Cantcme> genii thank you :)
[08:45] <Nahy> i can't find what made it not working
[08:45] <wanna_learn_more> !vip
[08:46] <dSlaM> Nahy: ok fine, help me here, what's the topology of the network ?
[08:46] <genii> Cantcme: Oldie but goodie: http://netpatia.blogspot.com/2006/09/multiseat-computer-with-ubuntu.html
[08:46] <Nahy> what d u mean by topology??????????????
[08:47] <Nahy> static
[08:47] <dSlaM> @ddress of the router, gateway, config of your hot, etc
[08:47] <dSlaM> host*
[08:47] <genii> Cantcme: He has also from there now a howto for 8.04
[08:47] <Cantcme> genii, but xephyr hasnt got 3d acceleration?
[08:47] <Nahy> gate way <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:48] <Nahy> Genmask 255.255.255.o
[08:48] <genii> Cantcme: Don't know, never bothered with 3d accel much
[08:48] <Nahy> Genmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:48] <ventz> I just installed Ubuntu (v9, desktop), and after everything was working perfectly, i ran 'compiz', at which point my GUI crashed. Now the system has "Unknown" for monitor, and a really crapy resolution. I am not sure what to do at this point, and I don't want to re-install. I've tried dpkg-reconfigure of xorg, and rescue "fix graphics". Any other suggestions?
[08:48] <ventz> I am almost betting that my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is incorrect, but I am not sure how to generate the old one
[08:49] <tzanger> isn't it something like sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-common?
[08:49] <dSlaM> Nahy: you say you lost your internet connection, are you aware you're on the internet right now ? :p
[08:49] <ventz> yea, I've tried running that, but it only generates a 'generic one' that doesn't have the correct settings
[08:49] <dSlaM> (just kidding)
[08:49] <Nahy> Dgenius im using another machin
[08:50] <dSlaM> XD
[08:50] <Nahy> ok
[08:50] <ventz> tzanger: under the display preferences, the monitor is "unknown" and hitting "Detect monitors" is not doing anything
[08:50] <Nahy> got me
[08:50] <alan_simmonds> howdy
[08:50] <alan_simmonds> so just a question, could my dhcp lease time be the reason i couldnt connect for 2 days?
[08:50] <dSlaM> Nahy: same network ? (your actuel connection)
[08:50] <dSlaM> a*
[08:51] <Cantcme> alan_simmonds, if all your ip's in the ip range were taken up
[08:51] <Nahy> as a matter of fact i found that the admin of network have made me
[08:51] <Nahy> :D
[08:51] <dSlaM> loool
[08:51] <dSlaM> what did you do ? ^^
[08:51] <Nahy> one of numbers was incorrect
[08:52] <Nahy> fixed it
[08:52] <alan_simmonds> Cantcme: thing is that right now it gave me the same ip that my windows boot is using, does it assign a specific ip to a specific mac adress or soemthing?
[08:52] <Nahy> thank u anyway buddy
[08:52] <dSlaM> Nahy: i'm french and don't now any bad word that can fit into this chan, but you deserve some XD XD
[08:52] <Cantcme> alan_simmonds, na i think dhcp will ping the ip everynow and then and if it doesnt reply it will release it so you can use it again
[08:53] <Nahy> yeah yeah certainly
[08:53] <dSlaM> gg anyway, damn admin ^^p
[08:53] <Cantcme> is your windows dual boot or another machine completely?
[08:53] <Nahy> im not english too
[08:53] <Nahy> yeah
[08:53] <dSlaM> where u from ?
[08:53] <Ibanor> Montpellier, Herault
[08:53] <dSlaM> oh un français
[08:54] <Nahy> the country that everyone has different ideas about it
[08:54] <dSlaM> :)
[08:54] <Nahy> IRANIAN
[08:54] <Ibanor> holland?
[08:54] <dSlaM> Nahy: england !!! ;)
[08:54] <alan_simmonds> Cantcme: how long does it hold it for? and yep, for now, trying to migrate to ubuntu for sound, just taking a while to get it all going..wierd on the dhcp thing, i dont want to be without a conncetion for another 2 days:P
[08:54] <dSlaM> ooops
[08:54] <dSlaM> ;)
[08:54] <Nahy> yeah
[08:54] <Nahy> ok
[08:54] <Cantcme> alan_simmonds, simple solution would be to statically assign IP's
[08:55] <Cantcme> outside of the dhcp pool
[08:55] <Nahy> im gonna feel some linux after many days
[08:55] <dSlaM> Ibanor: même pas un bonjour d'un compatriote ??
[08:55] <Nahy> thank you all a lot
[08:55] <dSlaM> Nahy: np ;)
[08:55] <dSlaM> Nahy: hi to you sysadmin ;)
[08:55] <alan_simmonds> Cantcme: well the thing is that when i couldnt connect i tried to assign a static ip and that didnt work..i wonder if i do it now..let me try real quick
[08:55] <Ibanor> well for those who would want to try, yesterday I woke and told myself I would install NFS on my ubuntu server and access the share from my vista desktop. I was not so surprised to see that only vista enterprise or ultimate support NFS
[08:56] <Nahy> off course
[08:56] <dSlaM> Ibanor: dis you try it with seven ?
[08:56] <Ibanor> dSlaM: je pensais que la reponse a ta question faisait office de bonjour et de clin d oeil
[08:56] <Cantcme> alan_simmonds, when you do static ip's make sure you specify default gateway and dns servers
[08:56] <Ibanor> dSlaM: well not yet since seven if only a beta
[08:56] <dSlaM> Ibanor: c'etait bien le cas ;)
[08:57] <Ibanor> dSlaM: with winxp it was possible to install Unix Services
[08:57] <Cantcme> if your doing this on a home router then the dns server will usually be the routers ip (default gateway)
[08:57] <Slotir> ±
[08:57] <peabody> I'm trying to shrink a raid-1 partition by 10GB and move it's start point 10GB closer to the end of the disk  so I can grow the partition before it
[08:57] <peabody> I followed this guide here: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-resize-lvm-software-raid1-partitions-shrink-and-grow
[08:58] <dSlaM> Ibanor: the RC was released, we could at least expect this kind of things were featured, i didn't touch any MS systems since more trhan 2 years and was wondering if it couls be worth trying
[08:58] <peabody> and the linux partition is resized, but I don't see how to resize the Extended partition and move it.. is tehre any guides that can help with this?
[08:59] <Ibanor> dSlaM: well you dont need windows unless you dev C#, play games or are addicted to adobe softwares
[09:00] <Ibanor> dSlaM: the funny part about my setup is that I have vista with gimp pidgin and eclipse installed
[09:00] <Kalmi> Ibanor, :D
[09:01] <peabody> when I try to use resize2fs on the extended partition, it throws an error it can't find a valid filesystem superblock
[09:01] <Kalmi> peabody, why don't you just use gparted...
[09:01] <peabody> I can't login to any display
[09:02] <peabody> I tried booting from the CD
[09:02] <Ibanor> peabody: why cant you login?
[09:02] <Kalmi> peabody, livecd?
[09:02] <peabody> and using the partition manager, but it doesn't resize or move
[09:02] <Ibanor> peabody: if you run the livecd you will be able to use gparted
[09:03] <ghindo> What's the default vorbis command-line encoder?
[09:03] <dSlaM> Ibanor: actually i don't play, at all.... and as far as i'm concerned the only thing i need adobe for is my taxes declarations, and i just found out it cannot be done with Gnu/Linux.... :/  BUT i learn C# at school, and unfortunately whereas i try to keep it out of my computer i need to have a windows operating system running somewhere... :/ anyway, funny how you turn vista in a "free software operating system" ;)
[09:03] <peabody> I have kubuntu livecd which doesn't include gparted tmk
[09:04] <Kalmi> dSlaM, mono is quite good for basic tasks
[09:04] <peabody> but that's a good idea.. I could just download the ubuntu live cd
[09:04] <Kalmi> peabody, you can install it
[09:04] <dSlaM> Kalmi: like what ?
[09:04] <Ibanor> dSlaM: there is also a nice software called winscp that I am addicted to, I am not sure there is such a thing out of the box with gnome
[09:04] <dSlaM> Ibanor: tell me more :)
[09:04] <Kalmi> peabody, you can install gparted while running the kubuntu livecd
[09:05] <Kalmi> dSlaM, for simple c# programming
[09:05] <dSlaM> really ?
[09:05] <peabody> and it won't change anything on my filesystem right?
[09:05] <Ultimate_darknes> !info allegro
[09:05] <Kalmi> dSlaM, no... actually it sucks... Visual Studio is too good :(
[09:05] <dSlaM> lol
[09:05] <peabody> I've gone through great lengths to keep all the gtk stuff out of my kde installation
[09:05] <dSlaM> i like you :)
[09:06] <dSlaM> Kalmi: really, teell me more pllease
[09:06] <Mooooooouse> huntxu: why are you here
[09:06] <Kalmi> peabody, installing something while running the livecd won't chahnge your real installation
[09:07] <subtwo> peabody: strange. I've gone to great lengths to keep all QT/KDE stuff out of my gnome installation ;-)
[09:07] <Kalmi> dSlaM, about mono?
[09:07] <dSlaM>  yep
[09:07] <Mooooooouse> how can i read rfc document after install doc-rfc
[09:07] <Kalmi> !mono
[09:07] <Slotir> Kalmi: Yeah I agree. Visual Studio is a really wonderful IDE... to bad it's just about .net :D
[09:07] <clepto> hi im trying to learn how to program and im having a problem. i copied down a code example exacty as my book says and it still wont compile i think im missing some of the pre req stuff to compile could anyone help me? or is there a better channel for this?
[09:07] <peabody> subtwo: it only makes sense!
[09:07] <bazhang> clepto, install build-essential
[09:08] <laxa8831> hi, im having trouble with samba.
[09:08] <dSlaM> Kalmi: keeping in mind i'm used to eclipse ;)
[09:08] <Kalmi> Slotir, you could have a look at the mono-projects web page: http://www.mono-project.com
[09:08] <Ibanor> clepto: which language are you using?
[09:08] <peabody> clepto did you add the package build-essentials?
[09:08] <dSlaM> thx i will take a look at that
[09:08] <Kalmi> Slotir, mono supports (almost) everything that is in .net 2.0
[09:09] <clepto> it says its installed and its C
[09:09] <laxa8831> other users cant open files, it open an mp3 or movie, off a share on my ubuntu box, and i cant open a file on an xp box. but we can copy files fine.
[09:09] <Slotir> Kalmi: Yeah, even a lot in 3.0 nowadays
[09:09] <laxa8831> this happened before?
[09:09] <Ibanor> clepto: you need a makefile
[09:09] <Slotir> kalmi, but .Net 4 is about to release. VS2010 just released as public beta
[09:09] <dSlaM> Kalmi: if i'm not mistaken C# is in version 4
[09:09] <clepto> im trying to do the hello.c app here ill paste bin what im getting hold on
[09:09] <dSlaM> will it work ?
[09:10] <Kalmi> dSlaM, .net versions and c# versions are not the same
[09:10] <Ibanor> clepto: get yourself a nice linux c programming tutorial and start over
[09:10] <clepto> lol i have one its the sams teach yourself linux one
[09:10] <dSlaM> Kalmi: ok ok, can you explain it to me ?
[09:10] <clepto> i mean C
[09:10] <evocallaghan> Hi, What is the name of the current Xen DomU Ubuntu 9.04 kernel so that I may use APT to install it?
[09:11] <dSlaM> français...
[09:11] <Ibanor> clepto: this one ? http://www.linfo.org/create_c1.html
[09:12] <Kalmi> dSlaM, http://blogs.msdn.com/johnwpowell/archive/2008/03/16/c-and-net-framework-features-by-version-quick-reference.aspx
[09:12] <clepto> this is what im getting http://pastebin.com/d7b737f77
[09:12] <dSlaM> Kalmi: thx man
[09:12] <lstarnes> clepto: it's stdio.h, not studio.h
[09:12] <Flumdahl> how do i activate my coax port on my sound card in ubuntu ?
[09:12] <clepto> ahhhh
[09:12] <Ibanor> lol
[09:12] <clepto> lol
[09:12] <Kalmi> .)
[09:12] <imp0steur> Help! .. The NetworkManager applet always prompts me for password .. says its trying to access the default keyring .. but its locked
[09:12] <clepto> thats what i get for doing this tired
[09:13] <dSlaM> Kalmi: it doesn't mention the 4.0 framework, do you know something about it ?
[09:13] <Flumdahl> i wanna change between 5.1 to normal stereo sound
[09:13] <Flumdahl> but i dont know how or where
[09:13] <imp0steur> can anybody tell me how to make networkmanager remember the password??
[09:14] <clepto> sweet
[09:14] <clepto> got it to work
[09:14] <dSlaM> imp0steur: there is something about it on the officiel website, but you should know it's not advised, security speaking
[09:14] <clepto> <-- = total noob
[09:14] <Ibanor> clepto: C it is not the easiest programming language to start with, I recommend you to try python first
[09:14] <evocallaghan> Oh for crying out. Don't know I bother.
[09:15] <peabody> well the boot-cd solution worked, thanks :)
[09:15] <dSlaM> Ibanor: IMO python is quite difficult to start with, don't you think ?
[09:15] <Kalmi> dSlaM, These 2 articles discuss the various versions of .NET and C# concisely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_.NET#Versions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_(programming_language)
[09:15] <clepto> Ibanor: yeah i was considering that but my dad gave me the C book and im to poor to buy a book on my own and i dont learn well if i read stuff online or on a computer i work better with an actual book in my hands
[09:16] <Ibanor> well since python is a scripting language it is less difficult ;x
[09:16] <Ibanor> *script
[09:16] <imp0steur> dSIaM: There was a link that said to add @include common-pamkeyring to /etc/pam.d/gdm and then remove the default keyring .. but that doesn't work
[09:16] <dSlaM> Kalmi: big thanks to you, all of this goes directly to my bookmarks, will read quietly
[09:16] <Ibanor> dSlaM: no compilation and easier to debug
[09:17] <Ibanor> clepto: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
[09:17] <Ibanor> it is free
[09:17] <imp0steur> I find python easy to lean than when I first started learning c ..
[09:18] <Slotir> Ibanor: That isn't true just because it is a scripting language... look at PHP, i hate debugging PHP :D
[09:18] <imp0steur> dSIaM: can my problem be solved??
[09:18] <clepto> I'll check it out, but id like to actually right programs and not macro's and such
[09:18] <Ibanor> Slotir: you should try cakephp
[09:18] <imp0steur> PHP sucks
[09:18] <Slotir> Ibanor: Yeah, I know about it. But I just ment generally :)
[09:19] <clepto> write that is
[09:19] <clepto> meh my brain to hands filter is kinda iffy at the moment
[09:19] <far44cry> hello everyone
[09:19] <dSlaM> Ibanor: frankly i don't know python, i learned firstly with php (my bad, but we were in 1998 at the time) and switched to Java, and even today even if i dmire python i find it really difficult to understane, maybe i houldn't have gegin with thoses languages but he, i really might be wrong
[09:19] <aleksi> irc.quakenet.org
[09:20] <far44cry> I need i.explorer working on jaunty
[09:20] <dSlaM> wow many mistakes when i type, my bad
[09:20] <far44cry> ies4linux hangsup after download
[09:20] <imp0steur> anybody please help me out to solve my nm-applet default keyring locked problem .. me <-- linux n00b
[09:21] <alex881> morning ppl!
[09:22] <dSlaM> i saw someone saying "php sucks" a few lines ago.... seriously try Symfony, best framework ever for a php developer
[09:22] <alex881> hi, i'm trying to use www.alonweb.com free vpn service on linux
[09:22] <alex881> i've downloaded the config file, started openvpn with /etc/init.d/openvpn
[09:22] <alex881> prompted me for user & pass, it says ok but no connectivity
[09:22] <FloodBot1> alex881: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:23] <imp0steur> nevermind I think I solved it
[09:23] <Ibanor> dSlaM: I have to disagree with symfony, last time I tryed was version 1 I think, and I remember it as being spoiled with propel
[09:24] <Ibanor> dSlaM: I mean propel is real pain in da a..
[09:24] <Slotir> Ibanor: You don't have to use Propel though, Doctrine works just as well ;)
[09:25] <dSlaM> Ibanor: propel is the default ORM for now, but i t will be switched for another soon (actually doctrine is the next default ORM, still in test but available in Symfony)
[09:25] <Ibanor> dSlaM: I ll give it another shot then
[09:28] <dSlaM> and all i have to say, SYMFONY rocks !! really i recommand you to try it, it's a wonderfull tool for any PHP dev., i mean, you'll understand me "php c'est un langage de goret", for the english speakers, php is a pig language, symfony manage to reduce it and take it to a real programming language IMO....
[09:28] <dSlaM> (waiting for PHP6 of course)
[09:29] <Ibanor> dSlaM: tu ne serais pas un peu chauvin?
[09:31] <Flumdahl> how hard can it be to enable sound over my coaxial cable ?
[09:31] <dSlaM> Ibanor: pas du tout, vraiment je trouve que c'est un bon outil, je dev en PHP depuis un moment, et je reconnais que c'est un langage de porc, on peut faire tout et n'importe quoi avec, et symfony met un peu d'ordre dans tout ca, après je suis d'accord avec toi il y 'a du chemin afaire.... mais c'est un excellent début d'après moi compte tenu d'où on part, a savoir un langage faiblement typé, où la moindre erreur peut-etre contournée via
[09:31] <dSlaM> des subtilités propres au langage, et tout ça
[09:31] <olmari> Introduction to my problem: I am trying to have Jaunty live as PXE, but it doesn't work
[09:32] <olmari> PXE itself seems to work, as vmlinuz and initrd-gz loads up fine, then there comes that boot-time texts, until it stops at "eth0: link up"
[09:32] <Myrtti> !fr | dSlaM
[09:32] <dSlaM> (dls je l'aurais bien ecrit en english pour le partager mais je ne suis pas assez doué)
[09:33] <Ibanor> dSlaM: behave yourself!
[09:33] <olmari> and the NFS-share in question can be mounted manually just fine so I know NFS itself is working
[09:33] <dSlaM> Myrtti: i was just saying i would have loved writing this in english, but i really am not that good, unfortunately, and the guy i was speaking with was french, like me, i'lll make an effort for the next debate^^)
[09:34] <sysdoc> !jockey-gtk
[09:34] <sysdoc> !jockey
[09:34] <dSlaM> Ibanor: ;)
[09:34] <Ibanor> !ru \ Ibanor
[09:34] <Ibanor> !ru | Ibanor
[09:35] <achilles> hello guys, I have installed a new router from new ISP for 1 week trial period, I'm looking for a tool, script or something that reports the bandwidth, internet speed along days automatically, can you help me finding some ?
[09:35] <dSlaM> Ibanor: i'd like your answer to my message, i'm really thinking its an interesting debate
[09:35] <matt098> nite all
[09:36] <dSlaM> Ibanor: actually, if you can lend me new technologies i would be glad to hear about it
[09:36] <Ibanor> dSlaM: well i seriously been into cakephp lately and I think I need to try symfony again so I can forge myself a new opinion
[09:37] <Ibanor> achilles: so you had 1 week free router and you returned it to your isp?
[09:37] <dSlaM> Ibanor: ok thanks, i'll give a try to cakephp i must admit i've never tried it
[09:38] <Ibanor> achilles: if you have a very old computer at home with two NIC, you can always setup pfsense on it
[09:38] <oDesk> i can't login to the system "Ubuntu karmic" unless i picked the "recovery mode" option on startup!!
[09:38] <achilles> Ibanor, thank you, pfsense .. I will look for it
[09:38] <crom09> hello. I have 2 users and want both to share the Music folder. How can i set that up?
[09:39] <Ibanor> dSlaM: feel free to visit #cakephp or #cakephp-fr during work hours
[09:39] <dSlaM> noted, sincerely :)
[09:39] <Gnome_Danny> Hello, Is it possible to connect to a bluetooth pan network on linux
[09:39] <olmari> So... I don't know what am I doing wrong with it :-/
[09:39] <Gnome_Danny> I have a bluetooth chip installed on my laptop
[09:40] <Ibanor> achilles: http://www.pfsense.org/screenshots/
[09:40] <dSlaM> Ibanor: i visited their website what, 1 or 2 years ago, and mly first thought was "it's an amateur project", but i'm sure i'm wrong, and i will definitely try it, espcially now, since it  had the time to grow
[09:41] <Ibanor> dSlaM: we are talking about cake?
[09:41] <dSlaM> yep
[09:41] <koshari1> Gnome_Danny dunno about connecting to a network but file transfer is easy
[09:42] <dSlaM> and as i said i'm surely mistaken about the size of the project and will listen to you and try it :)
[09:42] <achilles> Ibanor, than you, seems interesting very much
[09:42] <oDesk> the kernel will not work with " ro quiet splash "  but works with " ro single "
[09:42] <Gnome_Danny> kosharil: Yes I know, but I need to connect to a bluetooth network
[09:42] <maniel> hi
[09:42] <oDesk> which is the recovery mode
[09:42] <maniel> how can i make grub-restart work?
[09:43] <neo> hi
[09:43] <dSlaM> (my only experience is with symfony, and its HUGE community, that's why i didnt't give a damn about everey other projetcs, but i'll definitely look at them
[09:43] <neo> network manager applet doesnt really work after an upgrade
[09:43] <neo> any work arounds?
[09:44] <crom09> hello. I have 2 users and want both of them to share the Music folder. How can i set that up?
[09:44] <oDesk> oh i found this, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=464550  might be a help for me
[09:44] <maniel> i mean it it sets one time flag for restarting to another system/kernel without need to choos it in grub menu, but it doesn't work for me [i still see grub menu]
[09:44] <dSlaM> (ps: wtf are you doiing on the iinterweb at 11am on sunday ?? ??? XD  )
[09:44] <lazermouse> hi
[09:45] <dSlaM> crom09: still want help ?
[09:45] <crom09> yes
[09:45] <Jerusalem420> if I'm in ~/foo/bar/ and I want to open a navigator window there, is there a way to do it from the command line?
[09:46] <crom09> dslam: i want to have only one folder for the music, not one for each user
[09:46] <dSlaM> crom09: many way to do so, the most easiest for me being : you create a folde, make it belonng to a specified group you created, and add the users to the group
[09:47] <MrNaz> why does it take a long time to delete large files under ext3 ? i thought it just needs to make the change in the allocation table
[09:47] <crom09> dslam: yes but there are many things configured to point to the music folder
[09:47] <Guest39385> for jerusalem: nautilus ~/foo/bar/ doesn't work?
[09:47] <crom09> dslam: which would be empty
[09:47] <neo> did someone hear my Q?
[09:47] <dSlaM> crom09: and ? what's the problem with that ?
[09:47] <neo> network-manager applet doesnt work for me
[09:48] <neo> am currently on 9.04
[09:48] <ozzmosis> MrNaz: yeah, I noticed deleting a 4 GB file took a second or two on an older PC I have here.
[09:48] <KeithWeisshar> does the dvd version of ubuntu have more installation modes?
[09:48] <crom09> dslam: hmmm, not the end of the world but ...
[09:49] <dSlaM> crom09: actually i don't understand your problem
[09:49] <Guest39385> i have a litle problem, my skype doesn't launch today
[09:49] <crom09> dslam: isn't there something like an environment variable that says which folder is the music folder of a user?
[09:49] <dSlaM> ah ok
[09:49] <Guest39385> i tried many times, but nothing happen
[09:50] <dSlaM> first, you have to ask yourself, is your user allowed to access this foler ? if not if his group allex ?
[09:50] <dSlaM> allowed*
[09:52] <crom09> dslam: ok, so step 1) set up a common folder where the appropiate users have appropiate permissions. i understand
[09:52] <Jerusalem420> guest39385 yes it does.
[09:52] <Jerusalem420> i'm a command line noivce
[09:52] <dSlaM> crom09:  in fact, i beggin to understand the suation beneath the first one
[09:52] <Guest39385> :)
[09:53] <dSlaM> crom09: you want the "Music folder to point to a very speific foler for all of your use
[09:53] <crom09> dslam: but, step 2) make that folder look like it is the music folder. that is when i go to home/Music, i want to see that folder
[09:53] <dSlaM> rr
[09:53] <crom09> dslam: that's it
[09:53] <dSlaM> sok
[09:53] <crom09> dslam: is that possible?
[09:53] <dSlaM> ok
[09:54] <dSlaM> don't move ;)
[09:54] <crom09> dslam: ok
[09:54] <dSlaM> i've never tried it actually, but i'll try
[09:55] <crom09> good luck, I'll wait. :)
[09:57] <KeithWeisshar> are ubuntu dvd's official
[09:57] <Guest39385> yes
[09:57] <dSlaM> crom09: dis you try just renaming the link in nautilus ?
[09:57] <Guest39385> you can buy it, in libraries
[09:57] <KeithWeisshar> what's the difference between the cd edition and the dvd edition
[09:58] <KeithWeisshar> which libraries can ubuntu be bought in
[09:58] <crom09> dslam: ?
[09:58] <ozzmosis> KeithWeisshar: why buy it when you can download it? :)
[09:59] <crom09> dslam: could you explain that?
[09:59] <KeithWeisshar> amazon doesn't have the latest version
[09:59] <Ahtenus> Can i use the same swap partition for debian and ubuntu? (D
[09:59] <KeithWeisshar> they only have 8.10
[10:00] <ozzmosis> Ahtenus: possibly
[10:00] <ozzmosis> Ahtenus: except it might screw up if you use hibernation
[10:00] <Guest39385> in all i think,it's often included in a reviex talking about ubuntu
[10:00] <maniel> hi
[10:00] <Gingerbread-Man> ahthenus yes
[10:00] <KeithWeisshar> what iso burner should i use when burning from windows
[10:00] <maniel> what entries i need to place in menu.lst to make `grub-reboot` or `echo "savedefault --default=1 --once quit" | sudo grub` or kde's 'restart to'  features work?:>
[10:00] <dSlaM> crom09: forgett about that i think it work just one way
[10:01] <Ahtenus> ozzmosis: Ok, than i won't
[10:01] <ziroday> KeithWeisshar: err one sec
[10:02] <ziroday> KeithWeisshar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto will be helpful, it recommends infra recorder
[10:02] <Lao> Anyone availible to help me figure out my soundcard? it shows up usin lspci, but alsa won't detect it in alsaconf
[10:02] <ozzmosis> Lao: what does cat /dev/sndstat say?
[10:03] <Lao> no file/directory
[10:03] <tbtroj> I'm about to switch back to Ubuntu (using GNOME) but would like to replace metacity with a tiling WM, but still be compatible with GNOME. Anyone have any suggestions (on how to do this and what tiling WM to use)?
[10:03] <KeithWeisshar> i have roxio creator 2009 and cdburner xp
[10:03] <ozzmosis> Lao: looks like the kernel isn't supporting it
[10:03] <ozzmosis> Lao: lspci just says the kernel sees it
[10:03] <ziroday> KeithWeisshar: both should work
[10:03] <ozzmosis> Lao: what card is it?
[10:04] <Lao> what lscpi shows
[10:04] <Lao> 00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic Crystal CS4281 PCI Audio (rev 01)
[10:04] <Lao> 00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
[10:04] <KeithWeisshar> do you use cdburnerxp?
[10:04] <sriramoman> how do i switch off indicator applet in jaunty
[10:05] <ziroday> KeithWeisshar: no I use infra recorder
[10:05] <dSlaM> plop.
[10:05] <ziroday> sriramoman: right-click and remove it
[10:05] <sriramoman> ziroday: notifications are continued to be shown even without the applet:(
[10:05] <KeithWeisshar> infrarecorder doesn't support blu-ray as cdburnerxp does
[10:05] <Slotir> Internets<3 I'm ordering pizza online
[10:05] <ziroday> sriramoman: if you want to get rid of the whole notification system then install gnome-stracciatella-session
[10:05] <dSlaM> Ibanor: aaaaaaaaaaaaahahah
[10:06] <ziroday> KeithWeisshar: why are you burning it to a bluray disc?
[10:06] <NCS_One> hmmm
[10:06] <Ibanor> dSlaM: ?
[10:06] <KeithWeisshar> not for ubuntu
[10:06] <dSlaM> nothing :)
[10:06] <ziroday> KeithWeisshar: we can't help you with windows here, sorry
[10:07] <Ibanor> dSlaM: something interesting?
[10:07] <dSlaM> not at all :)
[10:07] <ozzmosis> Lao: yeah, my guess is it's not supported.  a bit of googling should confirm that though.
[10:08] <KeithWeisshar> why is the default real name banned from this channel when using searchirc java client
[10:08] <Flannel> KeithWeisshar: #ubuntu-ops is the place to discuss those sorts of things
[10:08] <Lao> ok, thanks
[10:08] <KeithWeisshar> i had to use config and enter my real name
[10:09] <sriramoman> KeithWeisshar: it seems to still continue. i started gnome-stracciatella-session and still it continues the notifications :(
[10:09] <ozzmosis> Lao: is it onboard sound?  I think most of them are supported.
[10:09] <dSlaM> someone as an experiance swithing LAMP to Java/posstgre/tomcat ? quel sont les retours ???
[10:10] <Lao> its not onboard, its a pci card
[10:10] <ozzmosis> Lao: ok.  it's just that onboard stuff comes up in lspci too.  it's just hardwired :)
[10:10] <kjetilho> hey guys, how can I make belocs generate *all* locales?
[10:10] <Lao> lol
[10:11] <ozzmosis> Lao: eg. as far as any OS is concerned, onboard realtek (for eg.) is no different to a realtek pci sound card with the same chipset on it.
[10:11] <Lao> ah, didn't know that
[10:13] <slemming> Hi, can I create an audio-cd iso with cdrtools, or emulate a burner which would instead burn to an image file?
[10:14] <thomas_> s
[10:16] <prayii> bleh
[10:16] <kjetilho> slemming: you can't burn audio-cd with an image, it's a different mode
[10:16] <Lao> slightly off question, i got a pair of usb headphones, those create a seperate sound device for themselves right?
[10:16] <ozzmosis> Lao: right
[10:16] <slemming> kjetilho: Can I make any type of audio image file?
[10:17] <ozzmosis> Lao: just like my Behringer USB audio module
[10:17] <`Ned> hello I'm trying to edit an /etc file but it says 'You do not have the permissions necessary to save the file. Please check that you typed the location correctly and try again.' what do I do?
[10:17] <gazut> il y a des français ici?
[10:17] <ozzmosis> !fr | gazut
[10:17] <ozzmosis> `Ned: are you using sudo?
[10:18] <ozzmosis> `Ned: eg. gksudo gedit /etc/filename
[10:18] <ozzmosis> `Ned: or sudo nano /etc/filename
[10:18] <fantomas> Hi all. I have problem with switching input locale on my laptop - it doesn't change if I switch it on external USB keyboard. Any ideas?
[10:19] <The_Toxic_Mite> Hello guys!
[10:19] <The_Toxic_Mite> :D
[10:19] <gazut> mmm! ok, thank ;)
[10:19] <Lao> how do i tell if the usb headphones are supported? just plugged them in (lsusb: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 046d:0a01 Logitech, Inc. USB Headset)
[10:19] <Lao> )
[10:19] <`Ned> ozzmosis, oh I see, I was following a website and I typed alt + f2 then gedit /etc...
[10:20] <ozzmosis> `Ned: everything under /etc/ is owned by root, so you have to sudo first
[10:20] <ozzmosis> `Ned: it's a security feature
[10:20] <Gnome_Danny> Hey, Anyone know how to connect to a bluetooth pan network on ubuntu
[10:20] <ozzmosis> Lao: it should appear in the drop down list when you double click on the speaker icon in the top panel
[10:21] <`Ned> ozzloy, thanks for the info
[10:21] <`Ned> ozzmosis, I meant
[10:21] <Lao> just shows the null output pulseaudio :/
[10:22] <Lao> i recall seein the logitech one in there before i reinstalled alsa, but dunno
[10:24] <Gnome_Danny> so anyone know how to connect to a bluetooth pan network in linux?
[10:24] <Ojii> hi all, I tried to get SCIM running on my jaunty but it doesn't work. pressing ctrl+space doesn't do anything. I followed the guide on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Japanese_Input_and_Fonts_in_Ubuntu_8.10_using_SCIM. can anyone help with that?
[10:26] <m0p0> hi all
[10:26] <ohir> !.jp | Ojii
[10:26] <dabbler> seems very quiet here :)
[10:26] <greenhousewarrio> does anyone know why the nice id of my programs would keep changing?
[10:27] <m0p0> general language on this channel is EnglishH???
[10:27] <Ojii> ohir: I'm not japanese
[10:27] <greenhousewarrio> by themselves
[10:27] <dabbler> no
[10:27] <bidossessi> Ojii, do you see the scim icon on your desktop?
[10:27] <magnetron> greenhousewarrio: maybe you restart them
[10:27] <Ojii> yes i do bidossessi
[10:27] <ohir> Ojii: ok :)
[10:27] <greenhousewarrio> no
[10:27] <Ojii> but not the scim bar
[10:28] <bidossessi> Ojii, give me a few minutes. this is something i routinely do on opensuse, but haven't tried on ubuntu yet
[10:28] <bidossessi> along with rikaichan and all
[10:28] <Ojii> none of the keybindings works (switching input methods, get the bar, blah)
[10:28] <nevermore> got a question about installting software from source that already exists in the repos.
[10:29] <nevermore> I want to install libmtp0.3.7
[10:29] <fantomas> How to switch input locale on external USB keyboard?
[10:30] <nevermore> the version that exists in teh repos is libMtp 3.0
[10:30] <nevermore> (on Jaunty)
[10:30] <nevermore> there was a quite a few bugfixes between teh versions
[10:31] <nevermore> but how do I install the new version without messing up dependencies and that
[10:31] <nevermore> because I don't want to install it while old package is installed, but if I uninstall odl package, stuff breaks.
[10:33] <th0r> nevermore: you might be able to install it alongside the old one and just change the link in /usr/lib
[10:33] <kalmi> is NetworkManager's Internet Sharing working for anyone in jaunty?
[10:34] <Ojii> there is internet sharing in jaunty?
[10:34] <nevermore> th0r: So compile new one, install files in same place as current one?
[10:34] <th0r> nevermore: but a search of 9.04 shows libmtp 8.0
[10:35] <NCS_One> hmmm
[10:35] <prayii> mmmm
[10:35] <kalmi> !botsnack
[10:35] <fantomas> Does ANYone use external keyboard with laptop?
[10:36] <th0r> nevermore: in /usr/lib you should see two entries for libmtp...in my install there is libmtp.so.8 and libmtp.so.8.0.0. The first is what the programs grab, but it is just a link to the second.
[10:36] <nevermore> th0r libmtp 8 doesn't exist. it says libmtp8, but that != libmtp 8.0
[10:36] <nevermore> ah k
[10:36] <kalmi> !anyone | fantomas
[10:36] <nevermore> so replace the secodn with the new one, and bob's your uncle?
[10:36] <th0r> nevermore: so you should be able to install libmtp 3.0.7 in /usr/lib alongside the old version and just change the link
[10:37] <baryah> can anyone help me with ati driver version 9.3 on ubuntu 8.10, on Dell Latitude D531
[10:37] <nevermore> reet
[10:38] <nevermore> will give it a go
[10:38] <fantomas> kalmi: i did. I can't switch input locale on external keyboard
[10:38] <baryah> can anyone help me with ati driver version 9.3 on ubuntu 8.10, on Dell Latitude D531
[10:39] <kalmi> Ojii, yes... NetworkManager is supposed to be able able to do internet sharing... it seems to use dnsmasq for DHCP and DNS.... dnsmasq returns "refused" for each dns request and I can't ping anything by ip either...
[10:39] <kalmi> Ojii, from the other machines...
[10:40] <kalmi> Ojii, the internet work fine on the "sharer"
[10:40] <NCS_One> hmmm
[10:40] <kalmi> Ojii, DHCP works fine
[10:42] <prayii> mm
[10:42] <nevermore> ok so make install has installed revlent libs and binaries in /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib rspectively
[10:43] <nevermore> so now I turn the files in /usr/bin and /usr/lib relating to libMTP into links to these?
[10:43] <ubuntu> Is it possible to install hp scanjet g3110 under ubuntu 9.04
[10:43] <Slart> ubuntu: have you checked at linuxprinting.org?
[10:44] <Seveas> nevermore, in the configure step, don't use ./configure but ./configure --prefix=/usr
[10:44] <Seveas> then it'll install into /usr
[10:44] <fireman> when i tri to modify a config file it said thjat i dont have the permission necessary to save the file
[10:44] <Guest17010> hi guys, im having a problem with my wireless card, my wireless internet is very slow
[10:44] <Slart> ubuntu: or wait.. sorry.. a scanner.. that would be the sane site then..
[10:45] <liquidee> how to check what wireless card i have?
[10:45] <liquidee> is it possible to do thru console?
[10:45] <Seveas> liquidee, lspci or lsusb
[10:45] <fireman> when i trie to modify a config file it said thjat i dont have the permission necessary to save the file
[10:45] <fireman> how to get that permission
[10:45] <Slart> ubuntu: you can search this site.. there is a database with scanners and how well they are supported.. http://www.sane-project.org
[10:45] <Seveas> fireman, run your editor with gksudo
[10:46] <fireman> Seveas: thanks
[10:46] <liquidee> this is the ethernet controller or network controller?
[10:47] <marco_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAvyEwEztLw
[10:47] <baryah> my screen is all sr\crewed up
[10:47] <fireman> Seveas: thanks a lot it works properly, thanks again
[10:47] <baryah> the desktop wraps around from the right end of the screen to the left
[10:47] <nevermore> Seveas- I didn't see this.
[10:48] <nevermore> have done it the softlink way now
[10:48] <nevermore> but that's less likely to mess up packages anyway
[10:48] <baryah> but the mouse points at the position it should
[10:48] <navid_> i accidentally fixed my problem with not connectin to the LAN that provides me internet but every now and then it kicks me out and i have to recheck connection
[10:48] <baryah> so mouse points somewhere else and effect occurs somewhere else
[10:48] <liquidee> i am experiencing trouble with my wireless connection. The lag prevents me from using skype, and the wlan connection is veeeery slow
[10:48] <alan_simmonds> so does anyone know how to tell a router to clear dhcp data?
[10:49] <Slart> baryah: I don't quite understand you.. what is happening?
[10:50] <frojnd> Hello tehre. In ubuntu 8.04. I right clicked on a folder and make it share. It also installed samba. After that I've restart samba: /etc/inint.d/samba restart but when I click on Network it says: Unable to mount location Failed to retrieve list from the server. Why is that?
[10:50] <frojnd> What does that mean?
[10:50] <navid_> any ideas how to make that changes permanent in the network connection settings?
[10:50] <Slart> baryah: you can move the mouse across the entire screen, correct? it stops when you get to the edge of the physical screen, correct?
[10:50] <frojnd> I'd lilke to share trough samba with windows users and they musb be guest.. no password needed for accessing my files..
[10:51] <isiah> I have a usb powered fan. I want to switch it off and on by the terminal. How can I do this?
[10:51] <webhosting> i want to run my virtualhosts on a set of computers, is there any solution to make a distributed computing system?
[10:51] <frojnd> Any ideas on this one'
[10:51] <frojnd> !samba
[10:51] <Slart> isiah: I'm not sure if you can control usb power supply by software.. but if you can it would probably be documented in some usb specs or such..
[10:52] <frojnd> bah I don't need server guide
[10:52] <navid_> any ideas how to make that changes permanent in the network connection settings?
[10:53] <Slart> isiah: this might give you some ideas http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/1192932.html
[10:53] <isiah> Slart: would you know of any all purpose unix command for this. Like one command that controls all usb activity?
[10:53] <kalmi> navid_, they should be permanent by default...
[10:53] <kalmi> navetz_, what kind of changes are not permanent and how do you set them?
[10:53] <ubuntu> 10x Slart, I have found it as hp3900 (Basic support)
[10:53] <Slart> isiah: nah.. i've never seen any linux command to do this.. if it's possible I'm guessing you'll have to do it using something like c/c++/python/perl
[10:54] <Slart> ubuntu: ah.. well.. basic support is better than none..
[10:54] <isiah> Thank you. My goal is to see if I can made a variable speed motor driver
[10:55] <liquidee> do anyone has any idea how to fix a super slow wireless connection? It works well on windows though
[10:55] <gartral> hi, anyone here know where to get/post new theme for awn?
[10:55] <kalmi> gartral, #awn
[10:56] <`Ned> is there a text editor in ubuntu 8.10 that will put a number on each line?
[10:56] <navid_> please help me