[00:04] <SolidLog> I think I tried that & it didn't work
[00:04] <SolidLog> Probably m fingers fault
[00:04] <SolidLog> my*
[00:09] <SolidLog> Side question. Have you guys tried the Steam OS?
[00:10] <knome> !offtopic | SolidLog
[00:12] <SolidLog> My apologies
[00:13] <xubuntu986> Hello everyone!
[00:15] <David-A> !hi
[00:57] <cubed_root> what limitations might i see by installing a 32-bit xubuntu on a 64-bit machine>
[00:58] <cubed_root> just realized this is what i did, installed xubuntu about a week ago
[00:58] <Unit193> You can't use 64bit programs.
[00:59] <cubed_root> that's it?  are there limits to the RAM i can use? i have 6GB
[00:59] <cubed_root> *limits to the RAM the OS can access i should say
[01:00] <bazhang> !pae
[01:00] <Unit193> Sniped.
[01:00] <bazhang> thats out of date
[01:01] <Unit193> Yep, it's enabled by default.
[01:01] <bazhang> all of them are PAE iirc
[01:01] <bazhang> yep
[01:01] <cubed_root> so xubuntu has access to > 3.2 RAM?
[01:01] <cubed_root> i guess i can check my task mgr
[01:02] <SolidLog> Reinstall 64-bit
[01:03] <cubed_root> can i do that over my current 32-bit installation?
[01:03] <SolidLog> Just wipe over it
[01:03] <SolidLog> Backup files you've made
[01:04] <SolidLog> And put them back on after the 64-bit install
[01:04] <cubed_root> i might do that
[01:04] <cubed_root> i've made a lot of customizations though
[01:05] <SolidLog> Go make a document listing what you've done & back that document up?
[01:05] <SolidLog> I'm wondering if Ubuntu Software Centre or Ubuntu One (Idk if xubuntu has that) will sync/backup settings you've made
[01:06] <Unit193> You should be able to use all the ram, but if you specifically want 64bit, you can do the re-install.
[01:06] <cubed_root> SolidLog: by 'make a document listing' do you mean manually document the changes i've made
[01:09] <SolidLog> cubed_root: Yeah, I couldn't think of any other way, just go look at what you've done or just wing it on the re-install. I still wonder if you can use ubuntu one/ubuntu software centre to remember settings or programs you've installed & let it sync up when you sign into that service next time
[01:09] <cubed_root> yea, it wouldn't be the end of the world if just started over again, but i might wait until i have more time.  but in the meantime i'll dig around for an upgrade optin
[01:09] <cubed_root> option
[01:10] <SolidLog> cubed_root: If you have a 64-bit pc & 6gbs of Ram you still definitely want to install the 64-bit version.
[01:10] <SolidLog> I don't think you can upgrade from 32-bit to 64-bit
[01:10] <SolidLog> Has to be a fresh install
[01:10] <bazhang> reinstall is it
[01:11] <cubed_root> hm.. what's the easist way to see if how much ram i'm using in total right now?
[01:11] <cubed_root> task mgr is only showing me individual processes
[01:13] <cubed_root> n/m system profiler is showing me total mem: 6 mil kB, free mem: 5 mil kB
[01:13] <cubed_root> sorry 4 mil kB free
[01:15] <SolidLog> I'm on Ubuntu Studio (Which is supposed to be very similar to xubuntu) & I honestly find going through settings to find that kind of info a maze without an end.
[01:16] <SolidLog> Look for System Monitor
[01:16] <SolidLog> cube_root: System Monitor shows my ram
[01:17] <cubed_root> lol - i hear you solidlog
[01:17] <cubed_root> yes -- i see it in system monitor too, very good thanks!
[01:17] <cubed_root> it's showing 6GB
[01:18] <SolidLog> Really?
[01:18] <SolidLog> That's weird. Run a few servers or VM's & see if you can use it all
[01:28] <Unit193> SolidLog: As we said, PAE lets you use more ram than standard 32bit.
[01:29] <Unit193> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
[01:30] <SolidLog> Unit193: What about the rest of the 64-bit function though? On a 32-bit o/s will that PAE let the CPU use its full 64-bit potential though? Or can you even install 64-bit programs?
[01:30] <SolidLog> That was my main concern
[01:31] <SolidLog> Figured skip jumping through hoops of fire & just re-install it with a 64-bit o/s so that he doesn't have to worry about not getting full function out of the pc. I'm no pc pro, only one way to learn I suppose.
[01:39] <cubed_root> i think i'll reinstall but need to finish a few things for work first
[01:47] <cubed_root> irc messages aren't secure, correct? more like http than https?
[01:49] <bazhang> publically logged channel messages? or private messages
[01:49] <Unit193> !logs
[01:50] <bazhang> or !1984
[01:50] <cubed_root> PMs I guess I mean
[01:51] <cubed_root> i'm thinking of the password i send to nickserv
[01:51] <bazhang> sure they are
[01:51] <cubed_root> ok cool
[01:51] <bazhang> just use the server window of your client
[01:51] <bazhang> are you logged in using sasl?
[01:52] <Unit193> Enable SSL and you'll be in better shape.
[01:53] <cubed_root> on my irc client?
[02:26] <cubed_root> wow, loving the linux world -- can't believe this much OS power is free
[06:31] <WalterN> herm... I get a kernel panic when I try to boot up the netinstall ISO
[06:31] <WalterN> for 13.10
[06:47] <WalterN> oh maybe its because of UEFI
[06:49] <Unit193> Panic?
[06:50] <WalterN> yeah, a lot panic
[06:51] <WalterN> it could also be because of the new AMD A10-7850k processor?
[06:52] <WalterN> also, vodka is magic
[09:54] <poopuser> Hi. I got problem with 13.10. The operating system does not recognize my phone (sony experia). It can access other usb media. The phone works on rhel installed on different pc. This is output of dmsg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6848533/
[09:56] <cfhowlett> poopuser, sounds like an MTP issue.  google up.
[09:57] <poopuser> cfhowlett: will od. Thanks.
[09:58] <cfhowlett> poopuser, don't know what you doing, but see Airdroid android app for quick/easy transfers
[10:45] <poopuser> cfhowlett: I've just noticed that file transfer is set as massive storage not MTP. I am wandering: does the MTP still applies to this situation?
[10:45] <cfhowlett> poopuser, per your android settings, you should be able to switch your device to "camera" mode
[10:49] <KeyboardNotFound> How to view which xubuntu version Do I have ?
[10:50] <cfhowlett> KeyboardNotFound, in a terminal lsb_release -a
[10:50] <KeyboardNotFound> cfhowlett, thanks man :)
[10:50] <cfhowlett> KeyboardNotFound, no prob
[11:16] <xubuntu572> hi
[11:17] <xubuntu572> i have a question
[11:17] <xubuntu572> What do you think about this
[11:17] <xubuntu572> Hi, I am a glad user Xubuntu 12.04 LTS. Why? I have graphics card ATI RADEON 5450 (official is this series 4xxx). I need proprietary drivers (steam and more). In later versions can not be used only free drivers.Therefore, I ask whether the new LTS version is going to use, as in 12.04 LTS or no non-free drivers we just unlucky?  Thanks for the answer.
[13:27] <xubuntu666> salve a tutti! ci sono italiani?
[13:28] <xubuntu666> ho una richiesta, ho un pc abbastanza potente con 4 giga di ram un processore 2.7 dual cose e 500 giga di memoria, volevo sapere qual'era la versione ubuntu ecc più potente  da installare? grazie!!
[13:30] <xubuntu666> hi, I need some help is someone free to talk with me five seconds?
[13:30] <elfy> !ask
[13:31] <xubuntu666> thnk you!!!
[13:32] <xubuntu666> I would like to know whic is the latest version to install? I've got a pc with 4 giga ram 2.7giga dual core processor anda more than 500 giga hard disk... I want to change from windows 8.1 what version should I take?
[13:36] <Myrtti> well the latest is the latest, if you want the latest then that's 13.10 as 14.04 is still three months away
[13:36] <Myrtti> unless you specifically want to use alpha2 level stuff
[13:38] <xubuntu666> thank you very much, is just like what I was thinking :)
[16:43] <xubuntu803> hi! someone speak italian?
[16:43] <xubuntu803> .......
[16:44] <baizon> !it
[16:45] <xubuntu803> thank you
[17:04] <starrats> here's a link to checkout!    http://www.lwks.com/  it came from the ubuntu page on FB!
[17:04] <starrats> xubuntu page from FB, sorry
[17:15] <leftist> afternoon. i am trying to find an environment that is closest to 10.04 ubuntu. is xubuntu 12.04 close?
[17:16] <leftist> i cant stand all this unity shit. i know what i like and the closet i have is centos but i prefer to use something else for my laptop. i use centos server primarily but it's kinda strict as a desktop enviornment. not as flexable as debian/ubuntu enviornments for apps etc.
[17:16] <elfy> if you are looking to not use unity - then I moved to xubuntu for that reason - but it's not the same
[17:16] <elfy> !language
[17:17] <leftist> well heck what the kids listen to on the radio is a million times worse than what i said. laugh.
[17:17] <leftist> elfy so your saying xubuntu is more flexable?
[17:18] <elfy> I find it fine for me yes
[17:18] <leftist> i really prefer gnome 2.x
[17:18] <elfy> well it's not that
[17:18] <elfy> get the live cd/usb and check it out - best help I can give you :)
[17:18] <leftist> we still have laptops we use with 10.04 /10.10 because of the frustration level with all the otehr desktop management systems.
[17:19] <leftist> okie dokie
[17:44] <xubuntu705> hi
[17:45] <xubuntu705> hello hellooooo
[18:22] <tim_> hi....i need some help to config steam under xubuntu....
[18:23] <tim_> after installing steam and downloading a free2play-game it doesnt start when i am trying!
[18:25] <elfy> tim_: I have no idea - I'd wait and see if someone else does - but you might actually like to try #ubuntu-steam
[18:40] <21WACA4GV> tim_: what game
[19:21] <kaerhon> hi xubuntu
[19:21] <kaerhon> i need help
[19:21] <kaerhon> i just re-install my os
[19:22] <kaerhon> i was on lubuntu 32 bits for more than one year
[19:22] <kaerhon> i made something stupid, didn't understand it well, and thought it was time to clear everything to work on a clean base
[19:23] <kaerhon> someone told me that my processor was 64b
[19:23] <kaerhon> so i installed xubuntu 12.04 64
[19:23] <kaerhon> the problem is that it is slow
[19:23] <kaerhon> could it be the 64b os fault?
[19:23] <kaerhon> as my computer is 5 years old
[19:24] <kaerhon> and ran well before setup
[19:24] <kaerhon> i think it is really slow only for firefox
[19:26] <holstein> kaerhon: how much memory do you have? you have lots of differences that i see.. likely, you had lubuntu 12.04 and you installed xubuntu 13.10.. you used to run an older version that was 32bit running lxde.. now you have 64bit xfce based that is not the same version
[19:28] <kaerhon> i installed xubuntu 12.04
[19:28] <kaerhon> memory, RAM?
[19:28] <kaerhon> the label on my laptop tells me 4 GB DDR2
[19:28] <holstein> kaerhon: ok.. so, thats one of the variables.. was lubuntu 12.04?
[19:29] <kaerhon> yes
[19:29] <kaerhon> it was a lubuntu installed after the initial setup
[19:29] <holstein> kaerhon: so, the other differences are to be explored, then. 4g'bs is when i consider running 64bit versions
[19:32] <kaerhon> so i can consider that 64b os to be well fed with my config
[19:32] <kaerhon> hmm
[19:32] <kaerhon> i think the real is firefox's speed
[19:33] <kaerhon> the real issue, sorry
[19:33] <kaerhon> it's slow
[19:33] <kaerhon> everything else seems to be fine, that's that i open ff first
[19:34] <kaerhon> i need to try something
[19:35] <holstein> kaerhon: did you bring a config with you for firefox?
[19:36] <kaerhon> yes
[19:36] <kaerhon> i just erased it
[19:37] <kaerhon> that's what i wanted to try
[19:37] <kaerhon> (now i only save and import bookmarks)
[19:37] <holstein> kaerhon: then, remove it from the equation
[19:37] <holstein> kaerhon: you can test ff from the guest account, or move your config temporarily
[19:37] <kaerhon> yes
[19:38] <kaerhon> i'll connect to guest account
[19:38] <kaerhon> brb
[19:40] <guest-CaAbF3> hi again
[19:43] <kaerhon> it's slow again
[19:43] <kaerhon> even with no bookmarks
[19:44] <holstein> kaerhon: all i can suggest is troubleshooting and removing the above variables and differences
[19:44] <kaerhon> should i go back to 32b lubuntu?
[19:45] <kaerhon> with all those lost RAM gbs?
[19:45] <holstein> kaerhon: you dont lose anything
[19:45] <kaerhon> can 64b firefox be that much heavy than his 32b self?
[19:45] <kaerhon> oh
[19:46] <holstein> kaerhon: the PAE 32bit kernel supports all 4
[19:46] <kaerhon> oh
[19:46] <kaerhon> nice
[19:46] <holstein> kaerhon: you cannot assume this is a 32/64bit thing
[19:46] <kaerhon> yeah
[19:46] <kaerhon> can it be a GC driver issue,
[19:46] <kaerhon> ?
[19:47] <holstein> kaerhon: GC = graphics ?
[19:47] <kaerhon> yes
[19:47] <kaerhon> card
[19:47] <holstein> kaerhon: sure.. could be anything. i would try and remove the variables and see what the issue is
[19:47] <kaerhon> ok
[19:47] <kaerhon> i'l try to change the driver, then
[19:48] <holstein> what driver were you using before?
[19:48] <kaerhon> but i'm affraid, because yesterday i chose the wrong driver and x didn't start anymore, and i'm not levelled enough to ride the machine in commandline mode
[19:49] <kaerhon> second problem is that i do not remember what nvidia driver version was in charge yesterday, before the mistake
[19:49] <holstein> kaerhon: dont be afraid.. you literally just installed, and are 8 minutes from a fresh install
[19:49] <kaerhon> yes
[19:49] <holstein> kaerhon: i typically install, and fool about with drivers, and other software. then, i might do a fresh install and go with what worked well in my testing
[19:50] <kaerhon> i'm an obsessive person, ready to jump in avery way to be afraid :p
[19:50] <kaerhon> ok
[19:50] <kaerhon> so i take a paper, take notes, and fool that b***h over
[19:50] <kaerhon> (could it be flash?
[19:50] <kaerhon> or java?)
[19:51] <holstein> kaerhon: sure.. is flash slow?
[19:51] <holstein> kaerhon: you said "firefox".. not flash
[19:52] <kaerhon> yes, but flash isn't installed yet
[19:52] <kaerhon> maybe it is lacking?
[19:52] <kaerhon> don't know if it is possible
[19:52] <holstein> kaerhon: are you having issues with flash content?
[19:52] <holstein> kaerhon: you said "firefox" generally..
[19:52] <kaerhon> (even moving firefox is laggy)
[19:53] <kaerhon> no issues with flash contents, flash is absent
[19:53] <holstein> kaerhon: sure. but why? is it the graphics card driver? is it compositing?
[19:53] <kaerhon> hmm
[19:53] <kaerhon> other windows don't lag
[19:53] <holstein> kaerhon: then, its likely not flash causing the issue.. i would try turning off compositing.. i would try different graphics drivers
[19:53] <holstein> kaerhon: then, try another browser
[19:53] <kaerhon> ok
[19:54] <holstein> kaerhon: have you updated? are you using the most recent firefox? were you using the most recent firefox?
[19:54] <kaerhon> i have updated
[19:54] <kaerhon> was using the most recent, i think
[19:54] <kaerhon> now, firefox is 26.0
[19:54] <holstein> kaerhon: then, you dont know.. and that difference in version could be causing this.. *if* thats a different version
[19:55] <holstein> kaerhon: you have many variables
[19:55] <kaerhon> i just disabled compositing
[19:55] <kaerhon> no
[19:55] <holstein> thats a difference.. lubuntu doesnt have that
[19:55] <kaerhon> compositing is not in cause
[19:56] <holstein> kaerhon: and the graphics driver? i would install the same one you have before
[19:56] <kaerhon> :D
[19:56] <holstein> i would try a different browser
[19:56] <kaerhon> what browser do you suggest?
[19:57] <kaerhon> i don't know if konqueror would be a good choice, as it would bringeven more variables with his kde stuff
[19:57] <holstein> kaerhon: literally *any* as a test
[19:57] <kaerhon> ok
[19:57] <holstein> kaerhon: dont worry about "good".. just do different
[19:58] <holstein> kaerhon: chromium is in the repos and not KDE related.. midori is light
[19:58] <holstein> kaerhon: im not saying "switch to this browser".. this is literally a test.. is firefox the problem? i dont konw, but this is one way to see
[19:58] <kaerhon>  ithink the guest session is blocking me
[19:58] <kaerhon> brb
[19:59] <kaerhon> yeah i see what you mean
[19:59] <kaerhon> i'm gonna try all of these if needed
[19:59] <kaerhon> and finish by graphics card drivers, as i don't want to mess with live cds again
[19:59] <holstein> kaerhon: or, just install what was working before, and add xfce, or xubuntu-desktop
[20:00] <kaerhon> isn't xubuntu-desktop in the xubuntu installation?
[20:00] <kaerhon> aaah
[20:00] <kaerhon> ok
[20:00] <kaerhon> brb, i go to my session
[20:00] <holstein> kaerhon: xubuntu-desktop is in the repos.. its available from lubuntu
[20:00] <kaerhon> ok
[20:06] <loula> back
[20:06] <kaerhon> chuta
[20:06] <kaerhon> installing lubuntu-desktop
[20:07] <kaerhon> so much packages not found
[20:10] <kaerhon> lubuntu + chromium works well
[20:11]  * kaerhon launching firefox
[20:11] <kaerhon> oh
[20:11] <kaerhon> that works well
[20:12] <kaerhon> there's something between firefow and xfce i think
[20:12] <kaerhon> on my machine
[20:12] <kaerhon> thank you for your time
[20:12] <kaerhon> and your help
[20:13] <kaerhon> i'm now ready to do my job
[20:13] <kaerhon> :D
[21:10] <kaerhon> hi again
[21:10] <kaerhon> problem is solved
[21:11] <kaerhon> about slow firefox after install
[21:11] <kaerhon> it was nvidia drivers
[21:56] <danmc> xubuntu 13.10, older P4/3GHz system with onboard intel video.  Almost all is good except for flash (youtube, etc).  Those look like: http://imagebin.org/289831  Any suggestions on how to debug/fix?
[21:57] <kaerhon64> wow
[21:57] <kaerhon64> no idea, sorry
[21:58] <Unit193> Mhmm, yep.
[21:58] <danmc> its like the video is trying to play in a different resolution than the rest of everything.
[21:58] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1173649
[22:01] <danmc> reading....
[22:01] <Unit193> Several comments down has a fix.
[22:03] <Unit193> If you have a LP account, feel free to comment if you can provide more information.
[22:07] <danmc> Unit193:  trying that now.  I do have a LP account so will add to it.
[22:10] <Unit193> http://paste.progval.net/show/0RlTSGrypiYP53VELxB3 I had to use a slightly different one.
[22:15] <danmc> hmm.  that had an unfortunate effect.  Installed that 00-xorg.conf, set permissions to match the other files there.  Rebooted.  The xubuntu graphic showed briefly and now I'm sitting on a blank screen.
[22:15] <danmc> no login window
[22:16] <Unit193> Can you move to a TTY?
[22:17] <danmc> how does one do that with xubuntu?  I didn't turn on sshd.
[22:17] <Unit193> Ctrl+Alt+F3
[22:18] <danmc> hmmm.  no go there either.
[22:20] <Unit193> Can't get to that?  If not, change the boot from ..."quiet splash" to "text"
[22:25] <danmc> ctrl+alt+f3 didn't do anything.
[22:27] <danmc> where does the boot stuff get configured?  I suppose I can boot from a live cd and comment out that xorg.conf bit.
[22:29] <Unit193> That'd work too.  You just edit the grub line, it'll only be used for one boot.  Left shift when booting.
[22:43] <danmc> Unit193:  it turns out that if I don't make a typo on that config file (space between "Default" and "Depth") it works better!  I really appreciate your help.  Video looks great now!
[22:44] <danmc> will chime in on LP
[22:44] <Unit193> XD
[22:44] <Unit193> danmc: Sure, any time.
[23:44] <KoreanZombie> hey, I have a question that may be kinda stupid so sorry if it is but are R9 280X's considered to be in the HD 7900 series? that's what I get when I type "sudo actionfig --adapter=all --odgt"
[23:48] <KoreanZombie> anyone?


[00:02] <shadeslayer> yeah
[00:02] <shadeslayer> too bad :/
[00:14] <ahoneybun__> I need to see crimson horror before I can watch the rest
[00:14] <ahoneybun__> valorie: did you get to it yet ?
[00:34] <Darkwing> sup guys
[00:36] <shadeslayer> so much dust
[00:58] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: hello
[01:08] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[01:13] <ahoneybun> does anyone hear me>
[01:25] <skellat> ahoneybun: Howdy
[01:25] <ahoneybun> skellat: hello
[01:27] <ahoneybun> seems they are busy then
[01:29] <skellat> Sounds like it
[01:29] <skellat> /s/Sounds/Seems/
[01:30] <skellat> Bah
[01:46] <ahoneybun> hey bkerensa
[01:46] <bkerensa> hm
[01:50] <seele> ahoneybun: were you available for an interview?
[01:51] <ahoneybun> seele: sure
[01:51] <seele> awesome
[01:51] <valorie> I just watched Crimson Horror the other night, yeah
[01:52] <valorie> I'm trying to stretch 'em out, since it's so long until the new season starts!
[01:52] <ahoneybun> valorie: I can't find a source to get that ep
[01:53] <valorie> which one? Crimson Horror?
[01:53] <valorie> I watch them on BBC America
[01:53] <ahoneybun> yea I don't have access to that
[01:53] <valorie> I'm sure all of them are torrented though
[01:54] <valorie> otherwise how does apachelogger get them so quickly?
[01:54] <ahoneybun> I did not find it on my choice of torrent site
[01:55] <valorie> eh, I just usually google 'torrent whatever' and look at the matches
[01:55] <ahoneybun> I try to stick to a site
[01:55] <ahoneybun> that I know
[01:56] <valorie> most of what I want is out of print but not out of copyright books for my kindle
[01:56] <ahoneybun> valorie: did you get to look at the page?
[01:56] <valorie> nope, was fixing/eating dinner
[01:56] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[02:08] <ahoneybun> so we have a few more people working on it
[02:18] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: ping
[02:18] <ahoneybun> valorie: you busy?
[02:30] <valorie> nope, back
[02:35] <ahoneybun> what happened to darkwing
[02:45] <ahoneybun> valorie: were you on when darkwing was?
[02:46] <valorie> I have a bnc, so I always see backlog
[02:47] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:54] <ahoneybun> I want to know how we are going to present the Docs
[02:55] <valorie> do you think we are mostly done with the content?
[02:55] <valorie> IMO that comes first
[02:55] <ahoneybun> are the pages in current state what we want
[02:56] <valorie> getting there
[02:56] <ahoneybun> like the number of pages
[02:57] <valorie> might be time to write to the devel list and ask for read-through and suggestions for more content
[02:57] <valorie> niggle question: isn't Jockey called KDE-Jockey now?
[02:58] <ScottK> We need to switch to ubuntu-drivers this cycle anyway.
[02:58] <ScottK> We're the only user of Jockey left and it's not maintained anymore.
[02:59] <valorie> apt-cache search doesn't find even *jockey*!
[02:59] <ahoneybun> if you use krunner you can find it installed
[02:59] <ScottK> apt-cache show jockey-kde
[02:59] <valorie> oops, I shouldn't have used *
[03:00] <valorie> so for saucy there will be no more jockey?
[03:00] <ScottK> Depends on if we get the work done or not.
[03:00] <valorie> ok
[03:01] <ScottK> Regardless of if it's called Ubuntu Drivers or Jockey, I don't think it'll be a big difference to the users.
[03:01] <valorie> is it part of the devel todo?
[03:01] <ScottK> I don't recall.  It's on my list.
[03:01] <valorie> gotcha
[03:01] <ScottK> That list isn't going very well so far.
[03:01] <ahoneybun> ScottK: anything I can help with?
[03:02] <ScottK> I got more than slightly distracted by Debian releasing than then doko almost immediately starting two uncoordinated python transitions and since I'm his co-maintainer I feel some obligation to clean up.
[03:02] <ScottK> ahoneybun: Make the docs rock.
[03:03] <ScottK> I mostly need some free time when pitti is available to discuss details with him of what needs doing.
[03:03] <ahoneybun> ScottK: will do!
[03:03]  * valorie is editing /Basic atm
[03:03] <ahoneybun> so it does not matter what jockey is called?
[03:04] <ahoneybun> valorie: nice
[03:04] <ScottK> Despite Monday being a holiday, I'm stuck 50+ hours on site with a customer this week.
[03:04] <ScottK> ahoneybun: Not much.  Part of the plan is to reuse the current jockey-kde front end with the new Ubuntu Drivers back end, so it'll look and ~work the same (just fewer bugs).
[03:05] <ScottK> We'll probably rename it, but changing the name is one search/replace.
[03:05] <ahoneybun> ScottK: it's always better with fewer bugs
[03:05] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:06] <ahoneybun> valorie: I think we would need more then 3 pages, if we don't expand the subpages of /Basic out at least
[03:09] <valorie> as you know, I prefer more and smaller pages
[03:09] <ahoneybun> yea span them out
[03:13] <ahoneybun> right?
[03:17] <valorie> I'm not sure what you mean by span them out?
[03:17] <ahoneybun> well the basic page has like 2 or 3 subpages
[03:24] <ahoneybun> I wish to move those subpages to a Advanced page or remove the commandline and repositories
[03:29] <valorie> that sounds ok to me, however I think you and darkwing should arm-wrestle over that
[03:29] <ahoneybun> lol
[03:29] <valorie> I've finished editing the basic page for now
[03:29] <valorie> tightened it up a bit
[03:29] <valorie> and hopefully fixed the grammar problems
[03:30] <ahoneybun> I don't see you in the revision history
[03:30] <valorie> I'm beginning to think that high schools have dropped teaching about comma splice sentences
[03:30] <ahoneybun> oh
[03:30] <valorie> well, the effing thing saved
[03:30] <valorie> so
[03:31] <ahoneybun> I see that you edited
[03:31] <valorie> ok
[03:31] <valorie> good
[03:31] <ahoneybun> did you add that (Muon) part
[03:31] <valorie> yes
[03:32] <ahoneybun> ok so I see your changes
[03:32] <valorie> awesome
[03:32] <ahoneybun> for sure
[03:32] <valorie> that page is extremely long
[03:32] <valorie> the problem I see is that it's easy to get a morass of sub-pages too
[03:32] <ahoneybun> I know thats why I said to expand it to more then one page
[03:33] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:33] <valorie> anyway, the key thing is to get the content written
[03:33] <valorie> then it can be massaged into shape/presentation
[03:33] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:33] <valorie> now, turning on the news
[03:34] <valorie> Later I'll look at the contributing part
[03:34] <valorie> ok?
[03:34] <valorie> for now my fingers are tired
[03:34] <ahoneybun> ok so I need more pages to add content, I sent that message to list
[03:34] <valorie> cool
[03:34] <ahoneybun> valorie: sure can you add more content to that page or are you fixing the content there
[03:34] <valorie> do you think we should mention Calligra?
[03:35] <valorie> right now not editing anything
[03:35] <valorie> because so far we're leaving out art applications
[03:35] <ahoneybun> valorie: yea sure
[03:35] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:35] <valorie> I mean, by default we are anyway, but Krita is awesome
[03:36] <ahoneybun> well calligra is not installed by default
[03:36] <valorie> I have to say I use office stuff so infrequently I haven't tried out calligra yet
[03:36] <valorie> but I do have krita installed, since I got a drawing tablet for xmas
[03:36] <valorie> a bamboo
[03:36] <ahoneybun> it's still nice but libreoffice has awesome features
[03:37] <valorie> I'm not advocating changing the default
[03:37] <ahoneybun> are we going to read about programs not installed by default
[03:37] <valorie> just mentioning/linking to it
[03:37] <ahoneybun> o ok
[03:37] <valorie> since it is the KDE default
[03:38] <valorie> seriously, that's why I wanted Konvi in there, not because I <3 it
[03:40] <ahoneybun> I added GIMP, Krita, and Calligra in the todo
[03:40] <ahoneybun> well on the trello
[03:42] <ahoneybun> later if you can add what you think it needs to the trello
[03:44] <valorie> maybe we should have a page for graphics software
[03:44] <ahoneybun> or a page for additional software to put gimp, calligra, krita and a few others
[03:45] <valorie> gimp, krita, and others
[03:45] <valorie> yeah
[03:45] <valorie> calligra is office, not art -- but krita is part of it
[03:45] <ahoneybun> but it should be a additional software
[03:45] <valorie> right
[03:45] <ahoneybun> "additional software" not "graphics software"
[03:45] <valorie> the only reason i raise the question is that calligra is KDE standard
[03:45] <ahoneybun> yea Qt toolkit
[03:46] <ahoneybun> but konvi is non-default
[03:46] <valorie> could have a page for development software, with KCreator (?) and QtCreator or whatever they are called
[03:47] <valorie> konvi IS the KDE default
[03:47] <ahoneybun> QtCreator, and KDevelop
[03:47] <valorie> Quassel is not KDE software
[03:47] <ahoneybun> not Kubuntu default
[03:47] <valorie> it's Qt
[03:47] <valorie> not KDE
[03:47] <valorie> Sput is a cool guy, but not totally KDE
[03:48] <valorie> I understand, but we vary from KDE by offering Quassel by default
[03:48] <valorie> fine, I disagree with that, but majority rules
[03:48] <valorie> that doesn't mean it is KDE default
[03:48] <ahoneybun> I know
[03:48] <valorie> ok
[03:48] <valorie> anyway: news now
[03:49] <ahoneybun> ok we'll talk later with the mailing list since the timezone
[03:57] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[04:04] <ScottK> valorie: What's the KDE SC IRC client?
[04:07] <ahoneybun> valorie: I'm using konversation
[04:17] <Noskcaj_school> ScottK: ping
[04:18] <ScottK> Pong.
[04:18] <Noskcaj_school> canyou add yourself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/WhoWeAre
[04:18] <ScottK> ahoneybun: It's fine.  Konversation is a good IRC client and it's at least a KDE project.
[04:19] <ScottK> Noskcaj_school: I'll be honest and confess the chances of me having time for that and remembering to do at at one of the times when I can are roughly nil.
[04:19] <Noskcaj_school> ok
[04:20] <ScottK> I have to get up in 4 1/2 hours and I'm trying to get an upstream release of a project done to fix a serious bug and then two Debian uploads before I sleep.
[04:20] <ScottK> I don't mind if someone else does it.
[04:21] <Noskcaj_school> i'll add you to it, at least how much i know about you
[04:21] <ScottK> w.u.c/ScottKitterman exists.
[04:22] <Noskcaj_school> forgot about that
[04:23] <valorie> ScottK: fair enough
[04:23] <Noskcaj_school> what timezone are you ScottK?
[04:24] <ScottK> valorie: If we were starting from scratch now, I think we should pick Konversation, but having had Quassel as a default for some time, I think we need a strong reason to change.
[04:24] <ScottK> Noskcaj_school: -0400.
[04:24] <Noskcaj_school> ok, ty
[04:25] <valorie> ScottK: I agree, which is why I'm not asking for a change
[04:26] <valorie> I just think that we should mention KDE alternatives when we have non-KDE software offered as the default
[04:26] <valorie> in our docs
[04:26] <ScottK> I think that's reasonable.
[04:26] <ScottK> That also exposes people to the idea of installing additional packages and that they have choices.
[04:26] <valorie> right
[04:41] <jessie> Does QT 5 not actually exist in 13.04?
[04:44] <valorie> jessie: as I understand it, Qt5 is just starting to be linked against in most KDE software
[04:44] <valorie> it's brand new
[04:44] <jessie> :-/ https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper This page lies then.
[04:44] <jessie> Unless I'm terribly mistaken on my time, in which case 13.04 isn't *actually* out yet. :-P
[04:44] <valorie> ok, but that's edgers, and for touch
[04:45] <valorie> not desktop
[04:45] <valorie> so that's devel stuff, not user stuff
[04:45] <ScottK> jessie: A lot of Qt5 is in 13.04.
[04:45] <ScottK> KDE doesn't use it yet, however.
[04:45] <jessie> ScottK: How can I install dev headers and what not?
[04:45] <jessie> Some software I am trying to use requires QT 5
[04:46] <ScottK> Mirv: ^^^
[04:46] <ScottK> He'll know.
[04:47] <jessie> Okay, well I might be going to bed soon. I've spent too much time on it tonight as is.
[04:49] <jessie> Actually, I think the edgers stuff and settings QT_LIBRARY=qt5 or whatever worked.
[04:50] <jessie> QT_SELECT=qt5 did it. :-3
[04:54] <Mirv> jessie: good :) either that or installing qt5-default, or using -qt=qt5 when calling Qt executables
[04:55] <jessie> Awesome. But now I have other issues. :-/ Stupid code.
[07:51] <apachelogger> valorie: access to a uk based server one needs
[07:51] <valorie> oh, for what, sir?
[07:51] <valorie> ah, for the doctor
[07:52] <shadeslayer> I don't think all the episodes are kept online
[07:53] <shadeslayer> I think they're removed after a certain time period
[07:53] <shadeslayer> for eg. I couldn't find S7 Part 1 episodes
[07:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ Any ideas?
[07:55] <valorie> netflix
[07:56] <shadeslayer> ah netflix
[07:56] <shadeslayer> again, I have access to that, but can't play on Linux
[07:57] <shadeslayer> which is just shitty :/
[07:57] <shadeslayer> maybe time to have a Windows VM just for Netflix
[07:59] <jussi> shadeslayer: you have a android tablet though... ?
[08:00] <shadeslayer> Can't install the app because I get the Indian Play Store
[08:00] <shadeslayer> :P
[08:01] <valorie> ah, we use the blu-ray player for netflix
[08:01] <valorie> and my husband uses windows
[08:01] <valorie> I don't want to watch any movies or whatever on my laptop
[08:01] <valorie> I hate that
[08:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: what what?
[08:02] <jussi> shadeslayer: bollocks
[08:02] <shadeslayer> indeed
[08:03] <shadeslayer> you'd think the idea was to get as many users to watch the show
[08:03] <Riddell> mm, 1044 e-mails to read today
[08:03] <Riddell> easy peasy
[08:05] <valorie> control-A
[08:05] <valorie> mark read
[08:05] <valorie> done!
[08:06] <shadeslayer> ^^
[08:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: I can get URLs for anything you want
[08:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Does BBC store older episodes of Dr. Who ?
[08:06]  * shadeslayer wants to watch S7 part 1
[08:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, but not publically
[08:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: all episodes?
[08:08] <shadeslayer> bah :/
[08:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so all 6 episodes
[08:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes
[08:11] <Riddell> I'll see what I can do
[08:11] <shadeslayer> thx :)
[08:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: actually it's only 5
[08:12] <Riddell> assuming you've seen 2011 christmas special
[08:12] <shadeslayer> well, I didn't count them :P
[08:12] <shadeslayer> no I don't
[08:12] <shadeslayer> I basically just streamed all of Season 7 Part 2 :D
[08:15]  * valorie goes off to watch an almost new ep of the doctor -- loving these Clara eps so much
[08:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I could just torrent them off xD
[10:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: bcooksley's chat with dfaure in #kde-devel might be interesting re qt 5 in neon
[10:34] <apachelogger> mh, the issue with submodules is general so we'd need some solution for it in some capacity at some point anyway
[10:36] <soee> good morning
[11:12] <yofel> apachelogger: what's your plan for qt5? Build all repositories by themselves or make one big qt5 package?
[11:16] <yofel> I haven't given it another look after I noticed the imports failing. I'll do so once I clean up after 4.11 is branched
[11:45] <apachelogger> yofel: latter
[12:03] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1180196] qtchooser operation prevented by PATH forcing under KDE @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180196 (by Nathan Osman)
[12:53] <seele> anyone have about 30 minutes for an interview about your kde notifications? it will earn a $5 donation to the kde e.v. for your participation.
[12:56] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1180196] qtchooser operation prevented by PATH forcing under KDE @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180196 (by Nathan Osman)
[12:57] <Darkwing> seele: I looked for ya last night but I think I was on too late.
[12:57] <seele> Darkwing: ah, i didnt see any name highlights
[12:57] <seele> do you have time now or later?
[12:57] <Darkwing> seele: I have some time now. :)
[12:57] <seele> cool
[13:07] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1176686] qtchooser does not properly work with multiarch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1176686 (by Harald Sitter)
[13:39]  * Riddell publishes http://blogs.kde.org/2013/05/29/subject-kubuntu-love
[13:48] <Riddell> anyone remember who does this website? http://kubuntu.hu/
[13:51] <ryanakca> No, sorry. `whois` on the domain isn't very useful. Google translate claims that "MikroVPS" is sponsoring it though. Maybe they'd know the contact person?
[13:52] <Riddell> a hungarian person was asking about if he could help, I sent him to find out as the first helpful bit
[14:56] <apachelogger> afiestas_: thoughts on bug 1182272
[14:57] <afiestas_> apachelogger: I thought it was already included
[14:57] <afiestas_> I saw it on a news
[14:57] <afiestas_> in that thing we have after each release
[14:57] <afiestas_> showing what is new
[14:58] <afiestas_> a wait, 12.04 lts
[14:58] <afiestas_> mmm
[14:58] <apachelogger> yeah lts
[14:58] <afiestas_> it will be quite useless if you don't update the underlaying libmtp
[14:58] <apachelogger> !info kdelibs-data precise
[14:58] <apachelogger> -.-
[14:58] <apachelogger> !info libmtp-dev precise
[14:58] <apachelogger> !info libmtp-dev
[14:58] <apachelogger> afiestas_: 113 so different from 115?
[14:59] <apachelogger> !info kdelibs5 precise
[14:59] <afiestas_> don't know the details, but it might be
[14:59] <apachelogger> afiestas_: and is 4.8.5 good enough ^^
[14:59] <afiestas_> actually it might not even compile with 113, you can try
[15:00] <apachelogger> yeah, I can't ... my kf5 builder is eating all bandwith and cpu ^^
[15:00] <apachelogger> anyone got an idle machine?
[15:01] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: I am wondering if a trello client would be useful
[15:01] <apachelogger> probably only nice to have though
[15:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm, why?
[15:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: I have a personal card saying "play with trello api' ;)
[15:02] <apachelogger> http://apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-us/app/trello/bd4fa6c1-0994-4caa-b0e1-04eec135667b
[15:03] <Riddell> ug, they take a nice system and make it windows 8..
[15:04] <apachelogger> I like my windows 8
[15:04] <apachelogger> oh wait, I have none
[15:04] <apachelogger> trololo
[15:21] <jessie> vHanda: You around today?
[15:21] <vHanda> hey! Yes
[15:21] <vHanda> I was just writing a blog post
[15:22] <jessie> Excellent! Cause my Nepomuk is dead again. :-/
[15:22] <vHanda> send me the db?
[15:22] <vHanda> all of the files
[15:23] <jessie> vHanda: So in ~/.local/akonadi/akonadiserver.error I have this: http://pastebin.com/YmLNGcEa
[15:24] <vHanda> kill everything which has the word nepomuk in it
[15:24] <vHanda> and run the nepomukserver
[15:24] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:24] <vHanda> afternoon!
[15:24] <baltolkien> afternoon!
[15:25] <lordievader> Hey vHanda, baltolkien. How are you both?
[15:25] <vHanda> I'm good. What about you?
[15:25] <lordievader> Doing good too :)
[15:26] <jessie> vHanda: http://paste.kde.org/753092/
[15:26] <baltolkien> Good, trying to solve my problem with nepomuk :(
[15:26] <vHanda> yeah. It's the same thing as last time
[15:26] <baltolkien> Yes.... :(
[15:26] <vHanda> please zip up all the files in .kde/share/apps/nepomuk
[15:26] <vHanda> and send them to me
[15:26] <baltolkien> OK
[15:27] <vHanda> preferably via email so that i can look at this later
[15:27] <baltolkien> via email?
[15:27] <baltolkien> ok
[15:27] <jessie> vHanda: Was that to me or baltolkien?
[15:27] <vHanda> jessie: you :)
[15:28] <vHanda> uhhh. baltolkien, do you have some problem with nepomuk?
[15:28] <baltolkien> Ouch!
[15:28] <vHanda> I'm confused
[15:28] <baltolkien> Sorry
[15:28] <baltolkien> vHanda
[15:28] <baltolkien> Sorry, I'm newbe with irc...
[15:29] <baltolkien> Yes, Nepomuk doesn't work in my Kubuntu 13.04
[15:29] <baltolkien> How can desactivate all nepomuk processes?
[15:29] <Riddell> !testers | 4.10.3 needing testing in raring-proposed, bug 1176358
[15:30] <baltolkien> It's normal have a soprano-virtuoso.db of 1,9 Gb?
[15:31] <vHanda> yes
[15:31] <baltolkien> Wow
[15:31] <vHanda> yeah. I know :/
[15:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: see #kde, rance is having issues after a kde upgrade there....
[15:32] <lordievader> Riddell: Do you mean 4.10.3 is in raring-proposed and need testing? All I need to do for that is enable the proposed repo and update right?
[15:33] <apachelogger> lordievader: yes
[15:33] <lordievader> Cool, will do :D
[15:33] <Riddell> lordievader: yep
[15:37] <jessie> vHanda: Sent.
[15:38] <lordievader> Updating now to 4.10.3 :)
[15:46] <baltolkien> well
[15:47] <baltolkien> I have a problem with the clock....
[15:47] <baltolkien> I can't change the time... It's 2 hours bad.
[15:47] <baltolkien> I try to change but I can't.
[15:51] <jessie> Hmmm... Anyone else have this problem: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=150420
[15:51] <jessie> Can't add widgets to anything. When I try to drag + drop them places, I just get a red crossed out circle.
[15:54] <lordievader> Riddell, apachelogger: 4.10.3 seems to be fine on 13.04 64bit. Boots fine anyhow.
[16:02] <apachelogger> pull-lp-source: Downloading kio-mtp version 0+git20130315-0ubuntu1
[16:02] <apachelogger> mhh
[16:02] <apachelogger> git snapshot
[16:02] <apachelogger> that makes me confident in backproting to LTS being a good idea
[16:04] <apachelogger> >>> grep -ri i18n . && ls po/
[16:04] <apachelogger> ./kio_mtp.cpp:        error ( ERR_UNSUPPORTED_ACTION, i18n( "Cannot copy/move files on the device itself" ) );
[16:04] <apachelogger> ls: cannot access po/: No such file or directory
[16:04] <apachelogger> ....
[16:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: !!@#%!@
[16:15] <apachelogger> Riddell, afiestas_: kio-mtp actually builds on 12.04, so we probably should look into LTS for hardware support
[16:15]  * apachelogger away now
[16:25] <jessie> :-/ I'm trying to compile a QT + OpenGL application, but I get "fatal error: QOpenGLFunctions_4_3_Core: No such file or directory"
[16:25] <jessie> I have libqt-opengl-dev installed.
[16:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, LTSs generally don't get new features
[19:19] <soee> can i change partition size when running system ?
[19:20] <Peace-> soee: mmm i guess no
[19:20] <jessie> soee: It depends on which partition.
[19:21] <Peace-> soee: i mean root
[19:21] <jessie> If you're using the partition, no, if you can unmount it, then you can resize it.
[19:21] <soee> well i have one on my laptop and wubi used some space to install kubuntu here
[19:21] <soee> now i would like to create ne 30 GB  partition
[19:21] <soee> i think i have to boot some livecd and than resize
[19:29] <ahoneybunn> Hello people
[19:30] <ahoneybunn> Hello people
[19:35] <yofel> soee: you installed with wubi?
[19:35] <soee> yofel, yes
[19:36] <yofel> IIRC wubi creates a partition in a file on NTFS and loop-mounts that
[19:37] <yofel> I can't remember offhand how you can resize that, but that's what you'll need to look for
[19:37] <soee> im not sure how it does exactly :) what i want is to create separate partition :)
[19:37] <soee> atm i have windows / kubuntu on my lap
[19:38] <lordievader> soee: You know Wubi has a 30Gb limit?
[19:39] <yofel> soee: lets move to #kubuntu, this is support
[19:39] <soee> lordievader, now i dont care about wubi, kubuntu is running fine but i need separate partition (need to resize original partition)
[21:03] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: :/
[22:19]  * Quintasan goes to 4.10.3 testing
[22:27] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: 0.6.2 all done?
[22:30] <soee> where can i found chromium daily build or sources ?
[22:32] <shadeslayer_> wrong channel?
[22:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: barely, I didn't even touch it because my hdd died
[22:45] <Quintasan> good thing I had a backup
[22:45] <Quintasan> 4.10.3 running all good
[22:46] <shadeslayer_> heh
[22:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: Will do it friday probably.
[22:47]  * Quintasan hits the bed
[23:44] <ahoneybunn> Darkwing:are you there??