[09:53] <melazyboy> miggumike: sudo passwd root
[09:53] <Se7h> i got all apps playiong sound 100%
[09:53] <Se7h> skype its the only stupid one
[09:53] <Se7h> lol
[09:56] <Se7h> "Problem with sound device"
[09:56] <melazyboy> lol
[09:56] <melazyboy> when you ran that command i gave you did you hear sound?
[09:57] <miggumike> how can i add the volume adjustment icon near my clock in kde?
[09:58] <melazyboy> that i don't know.. i hate kde. kde=bad
[09:59] <Se7h> melazyboy yes i didd
[10:00] <melazyboy> then alsa must work
[10:00] <miggumike> melazyboy: when i do sudo passwd root it doesn't ask my for my old password.
[10:00] <miggumike> will this work?
[10:00] <bruceh> miggumike: right click on the panel, choose Add->Application Button->Multimedia->Sound->Kmix
[10:00] <melazyboy> miggumike: did you have an old password, or was the account disabled without a password?
[10:01] <miggumike> i thikn the account might be disable because i can't login it when i start kde
[10:02] <melazyboy> after you run sudo passwd it is enabled.
[10:02] <melazyboy> you have to run w/ -l to disable it now
[10:03] <miggumike> :/
[10:03] <melazyboy> are you needing help with this?
[10:03] <bruceh> well, that's annoying - two installs, both seem fine, exept won't boot. grub exits with error 18, which i think means it couldn't find an operating system
[10:03] <Se7h> miggumike why u want root ?
[10:03] <miggumike> yes. may i message you?
[10:03] <miggumike> i want to change my root password
[10:03] <melazyboy> sudo passwd root [enter]  foo [enter]  logout [enter]  root [enter]  foo [enter]  =DD
[10:03] <Se7h> for ur safety u shouldn't enable it
[10:04] <Se7h> LOL
[10:04] <Se7h> login hack or what ?
[10:04] <Se7h> ;P
[10:04] <melazyboy> no i just figured the confusion was with the enter key
[10:04] <melazyboy> lol
[10:05] <cenerentola> miggumike: sorry?
[10:05] <melazyboy> auctually i happen to be very much for the arguement that the root account is bad for the ubuntu demograph, so im going to side with Se7h you probably shoulden't enable it
[10:05] <cenerentola> miggumike: you don't need to use the root account..
[10:05] <miggumike> i want to change my root password
[10:06] <cenerentola> miggumike: actually you dont have a root password
[10:06] <cenerentola> miggumike: what do you mean precisely?
[10:06] <Se7h> "why u want root if u can sudo?
[10:06] <Se7h> hmm
[10:06] <Se7h> this would be geek in a t-shirt
[10:06] <Se7h> lol
[10:06] <miggumike> look mate when i do something like sudo apt-get mozilla i'll need to use a password
[10:06] <miggumike> what password is that, my root's?
[10:06] <melazyboy> 'sudo -s' == single console root access privledge login
[10:07] <cef> sudo uses YOUR password
[10:07] <cenerentola> no is your user's one.
[10:07] <Se7h> yes = user pass
[10:07] <melazyboy> miggumike: You can't ever, ever, read a password they are MD5 encrypted with shadow storage
[10:07] <miggumike> ok?
[10:07] <cenerentola> melazyboy: hes not talking about reading it..
[10:07] <cenerentola> miggumike: i got what you mean
[10:07] <cenerentola> so...
[10:07] <cenerentola> go in your gnome menu
[10:07] <miggumike> <- kde
[10:08] <cenerentola> miggumike: go away ;0
[10:08] <melazyboy> miggumike: when you passwd w/ sudo you just give the account a password and it overwrites the prior one, because you issued the command as a user with sufficient privledges
[10:08] <cenerentola> so "sudo passwd yourusername"
[10:08] <cef> kde needs a lot of work for integration with sudo
[10:09] <cenerentola> cef: sudo was invented by suse's dudes
[10:09] <melazyboy> cef: kde need lots of work period.
[10:09] <cenerentola> cef: suse uses kde
[10:09] <miggumike> my backspace button doesn't repeat now.
[10:09] <miggumike> the wonderful world of linux
[10:09] <melazyboy> miggumike: Remap backspace to caps lock, be a true geek
[10:09] <cef> cenerentola: perhaps, but KDE as it stands in debian (and hence how it got into ubuntu) uses the real root password in lots of places
[10:10] <miggumike> lol melazyboy, that doesn't sound like a bad idea
[10:10] <cenerentola> cef: so its debian packaged kde..
[10:10] <cenerentola> miggumike: so did you do that*?
[10:10] <miggumike> cenerentola: did what?
[10:11] <cenerentola> "sudo passwd yourusername"
[10:11] <cenerentola> then it asks for
[10:11] <miggumike> yeah
[10:11] <miggumike> i did
[10:11] <cenerentola> password: enter your actual password
[10:11] <cenerentola> miggumike: and?
[10:11] <miggumike> and i changed my accounts password
[10:11] <cenerentola> so its over now, right?
[10:11] <miggumike> i wanted to know how to change the roots password
[10:11] <miggumike> root's*
[10:11] <melazyboy> miggumike: now try su, or login root
[10:11] <cenerentola> you dont have a root password my friend...
[10:12] <miggumike> ok
[10:12] <miggumike> so there is no root.
[10:12] <cenerentola> miggumike: not a usable one
[10:12] <karlos> hi all
[10:13] <cenerentola> miggumike: actually if you look into your pass* and shadow files, there's an entry for user root... but it doesnt have a password so you cant use it..
[10:13] <cenerentola> karlos: ciao
[10:13] <miggumike> brb i'm going to switch to gnome
[10:13] <karlos> $ sudo passwd root
[10:14] <melazyboy> miggumike: In order to halt the windows-user-habbit of staying perma-logged in as root, ubuntu disabled it by default (passwd -l root) in order to activate that account you issue the command 'password root'
[10:15] <cenerentola> karlos: stop writing bad words: "sudo passed root" ;)
[10:15] <karlos> passwd
[10:15] <karlos> it worked on my machine to make a root account
[10:16] <cenerentola> karlos: its not, really, a good idea
[10:16] <karlos> i know
[10:16] <cenerentola> nice ;)
[10:16] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti
[10:16] <karlos> but i'm inherently stupid so there you go
[10:17] <Se7h> btw
[10:17] <Se7h> does anyone knows an app to comunicate with webcam
[10:18] <Se7h> ...like msn or so
[10:18] <stuNNed_> Se7h: gnomemeeting afaik
[10:18] <miggumike> so gnome a lighter xwindow than kde?
[10:18] <karlos> actually i'm getting used to this sudo business and ive now turned me root account off
[10:18] <atropus> I can't mount my cdrom. special device /dev/hdc does not exist? plz help
[10:19] <melazyboy> gnome meeting
[10:19] <Se7h> stuNNed_ i've tried that
[10:19] <Se7h> i mean
[10:19] <Se7h> i think i did
[10:19] <Se7h> using windows
[10:19] <melazyboy> Se7h: gnome meeting
[10:19] <Se7h> what would the other side have to use
[10:19] <Se7h> ?
[10:20] <bruceh> dammit, install failed. third try.
[10:20] <stuNNed_> Se7h: whatever, but that is the most common
[10:21] <Se7h> o.0
[10:21] <melazyboy> Se7h: I think gnome meeting can communicate with netmeeting
[10:21] <Se7h> melazyboy yes it can
[10:22] <Se7h> but netmeeting tend to desapear
[10:22] <Se7h> disapear
[10:22] <melazyboy> Se7h: well i think because any app can communicate with netmeeting gnome meeting can communicate with any app..
[10:23] <Se7h> callto:
[10:23] <Se7h> and
[10:23] <Se7h> h323
[10:23] <Se7h> or something like that
[10:23] <Se7h> but i've tried calling a netmeeting user
[10:23] <Se7h> and...no good
[10:24] <Se7h> is anyone using it btw ?
[10:24] <melazyboy> Se7h: firewall maybe"
[10:24] <melazyboy> ?
[10:24] <Se7h> sould be
[10:25] <Se7h> but i configured it
[10:25] <Se7h> and still hte same
[10:27] <karlos> any one know of a firewall app other than lokkit...i can't get that to work
[10:28] <stuNNed_> karlos: firestarter or shorewall
[10:28] <karlos> cheers
[10:28] <stuNNed_> karlos: afaik firestarter has a bunch of redundant rules and shorewall is text based but has alot of features
[10:28] <karlos> im the firestarter...teisted instigator
[10:29] <karlos> twisted
[10:30] <monoxide> hi everyone, im having trouble with my sound...
[10:31] <Se7h> ...
[10:32] <monoxide> xmms is playing but no sound
[10:32] <bruceh> monoxide, you using kde?
[10:32] <monoxide> gnome
[10:32] <bruceh> hmm... perhaps the sound is muted in gnome?
[10:33] <monoxide> i have checked the volume controls, everything is on full volume, and unmuted
[10:33] <monoxide> and cd player seems to work, just not xmms
[10:35] <hazza96> How do I make it so that the apps don;t stack on top of one another
[10:37] <bruceh> monoxide, have you checked that xmms is using the correct output plugin?
[10:39] <monoxide> well there it goes... very badly, but there it goes :)
[10:40] <monoxide> far too loud for my speakers
[10:40] <bruceh> was it the output plugin?
[10:41] <monoxide> yea, and the config of said plugin...
[10:41] <bruceh> cool
[10:42] <monoxide> alsa, not oss, and i have 2 cards, and it was on the wrong card :)
[10:42] <bruceh> fourth install, now grub exits with error 17. This is getting annoying.
[10:42] <monoxide> ahhh... music to my ears :)
[10:42] <monoxide> what is error 17?
[10:43] <bruceh> I don't know
[10:43] <bruceh> I suppose grub can't find the operating system.
[10:44] <Se7h> what does itt sais ?
[10:45] <monoxide> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2002-11/msg00029.html
[10:45] <monoxide> have a look there, no idea if it will help but my little contribution
[10:45] <monoxide> night all
[10:45] <bruceh> "Error 17" -- that's all, very cryptic
[10:48] <bruceh> I think I'll try using lilo instead.
[10:49] <mdke> hi all, mega problems with hoary: i can't start gnome. I also can't do an upgrade because of a problem related to python-orbit. Can anyone help me?
[10:50] <Aure> apt-get -f install
[10:50] <mdke> Aure: I've tried that but it fails because of the python-orbit problem
[10:51] <Aure> remove the python-orbit package
[10:51] <mdke> should i force it?
[10:51] <mdke> i can't remove it normally
[10:51] <C001M4N> ation, Inc
[10:51] <C001M4N> Ubuntu is a Linux distribution that starts with the breadth of Debian and adds regular releases (every six months), a clear focus on the user and usability (it should "Just Work", TM) and a commitment to security updates with 18 months of support for every release. Ubuntu ships with the latest Gnome release as well as a selection of server and desktop software that makes for a comfortable desktop experience off a single installation CD.
[10:51] <C001M4N> What makes Ubuntu special? Why do people choose Ubuntu as their favourite Linux for work and play?
[10:51] <C001M4N> Regular and Predictable ReleasesThe Ubuntu team releases a fresh Ubuntu every six months.  I'm sure he runs windows (pirated) and lots of warez .. sure certain people would be interested
[11:04] <JStrike> mdke : I also have a problem with python-orbit
[11:04] <C001M4N>  i just ordered 100 cdz
[11:04] <mdke> JStrike: of what nature?
[11:04] <Botox> hi, i ran into the same problem this person is having here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8384 any ideas how to solve it?
[11:04] <mdke> C001M4N: using a proxy right?
[11:04] <JStrike> It fails to install properly
[11:04] <C001M4N> no
[11:05] <C001M4N> whats a proxy
[11:05] <mdke> C001M4N: it stops people from seeing your real address
[11:05] <C001M4N> what if they see my real address?
[11:05] <gustavor> I would like to learn how-to make deb packages for ubuntu... is there a good document to start with?
[11:05] <mdke> JStrike: apt-get remove python-orbit has done the trick for me.
[11:05] <mdke> C001M4N: then they know your IP address and your house address
[11:06] <JStrike> mdke : But doesn't GVM depend on it?
[11:06] <C001M4N> so.....................
[11:06] <C001M4N> i don't think they will come after me
[11:07] <mdke> JStrike: not sure. I am planning to reinstall it afterwards, its just a question of a version change I think
[11:07] <mdke> someone make sure those cds arent sent: it would be a waste
[11:08] <cef> C001M4N: hope you like waiting for your cd's.. the delivery delay is long
[11:08] <mdke> hopefully indefinite
[11:09] <mdke> oooh a new gnome menu
[11:09] <mdke> funky
[11:09] <C001M4N> no
[11:09] <C001M4N> i
[11:09] <C001M4N> only
[11:10] <C001M4N> order
[11:10] <C001M4N> 1
[11:10] <C001M4N> :)
[11:10] <C001M4N> i can't wait to get my ubuntu
[11:10] <mdke> ok i really like that new gnome menu. great idea to have the locations separate.
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[11:11] <hazza96> stop the spamming
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[11:12] <hazza96> that's it where is the ignore button
[11:12] <mdke> omg
[11:12] <mdke> operator please
[11:12] <bitserf> hi, anyyone have any idea where the autoconf info files reside? there is no autoconf-doc package, unexpectedly
[11:12] <hazza96> just use ignore
[11:13] <hazza96> is he still doing it?
[11:13] <mdke> nope
[11:13] <mdke> hes left
[11:13] <hazza96> oh good
[11:13] <mdke> i'm off too
[11:13] <mdke> Aure: thanks for your help
[11:13] <mdke> have a good sunday all
[11:14] <hazza96> cya
[11:14] <bitserf> gah, i bring you this gem from autoconf's README.Debian: "No documentation, because the Debian project has decided that the GNU
[11:14] <bitserf> FDL is not an acceptable license for documentation"....
[11:15] <bitserf> that TOTALLY SUCKS
[11:15] <DoktorTomoe> hi
[11:15] <bitserf> an example of license nazism gone crazy :(
[11:16] <DoktorTomoe> bitserf: What seems to be the problem? I just came and didn't get your prevorius lines.
[11:17] <bitserf> doktor: debian (and thus by extension ubuntu) has no documentation for autoconf, because the GNU FDL is not "free enough". talk about being anal at the expense of your users..
[11:17] <bitserf> there is autobook, but i'm looking for the info files because i need reference material
[11:18] <DoktorTomoe> being "free enough" always has been a problem to debian ... did you try google?
[11:19] <bitserf> well, yeah, sure, i solved the problem. i have a problem with that attitude though. so much. especially for something as widely used as autoconf...ffs
[11:19] <DoktorTomoe> I totally agree with that ...
[11:20] <DoktorTomoe> How "stuck" is ubuntu with debian's licence policy anyway? Would it be a problem just to change it for ubuntu distribution?
[11:20] <bitserf> i'm going to file a bug report regardless, what a pain in the ass..
[11:21] <bitserf> its worse than non-free driver stuff in my opinion
[11:21] <DoktorTomoe> be sure to give me a link so that I'm able to participate.
[11:25] <bitserf> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4800
[11:26] <bitserf> i had slippery fingers though, so committed without initial comment :|
[11:28] <DoktorTomoe> Hm, I really like to help with this Rosetta thing.
[11:28] <DoktorTomoe> Whom can I contact?
[11:30] <hazza96> what Rosetta thing?
[11:32] <DoktorTomoe> hatta96: Seems to be some translaters project for ubuntu: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta
[11:33] <Napsask> guys where can i find a daemons/services tutorial for ubuntu?
[11:33] <DoktorTomoe> A notice on ubuntulinux.com celebrated it as "open" :?
[11:34] <DoktorTomoe> creating a daemon or just invoking it?
[11:34] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: managing all system daemons
[11:34] <Napsask> apache etc
[11:34] <hazza96> my sound has disappeared
[11:34] <hazza96> xmms says that I don't have any devices
[11:34] <DoktorTomoe> Napsask: Try searching on google, but use debian instead of ubuntu. That'll help
[11:35] <hazza96> I can't play sound in other apps either
[11:35] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: like @boot&runlevels etc
[11:35] <fab> bonjour
[11:36] <Ribs> HELLO!
[11:36] <fab> how are u??
[11:36] <hazza96> how do i let other users run the Synaptic package management
[11:36] <fab> is there french people here?
[11:37] <DoktorTomoe> hazza96: sudo synaptic? But I see no reason for doing it...
[11:37] <DoktorTomoe> hazza96: There is a reason for locking it up to root :)
[11:38] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: if i wanted to add apache on runlevel 5 on what would be the command?
[11:38] <hazza96> ok I should point out the user trying to run sudo is a NIS auth user
[11:39] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: can u tell me?
[11:40] <DoktorTomoe> Napsask: man init
[11:40] <DoktorTomoe> :)
[11:40] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: plz just give me the command
[11:41] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: i want just to see it...?
[11:41] <DoktorTomoe> doing some research, just a moment (I am kind of a debian newbie)
[11:42] <Napsask> k
[11:43] <DoktorTomoe> Napsask: Tage a look at the /etc/init.d/rc script. Add the appropriate command to the runlevel you like...
[11:44] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: so i just make links of a script to the rcx.d right?
[11:44] <DoktorTomoe> jup, that should to the trick
[11:45] <Napsask> still doesnt work
[11:45] <Napsask> :/
[11:45] <DoktorTomoe> got some error messages?
[11:45] <Napsask> np
[11:45] <Napsask> i just remove some links of my default runlevel
[11:45] <Napsask> by still the start
[11:46] <Napsask> *but
[11:54] <Adrenal> anyone know where i can download ub_human14.xpm.gz?
[11:54] <Adrenal> the wiki page has no links
[11:55] <Adrenal> anyone?
[12:02] <crimsun> I don't see one
[12:03] <Speirsje> toch wel...
[12:04] <Speirsje> Hi, I have a big problem....
[12:04] <Speirsje> I dont get into Windows anymore
[12:04] <Speirsje> and I am in Ubuntu now...
[12:04] <iz> Speirsje, join #ubuntu-nl for dutch
[12:05] <Speirsje> thx
[12:06] <Timerever> don't take me wrong but i dunno where else to ask this.... is it possible too use Freetype in Windoze instead of ClearType?
[12:06] <crimsun> not that I'm aware.
[12:07] <JStrike> And don't substitute a "z" in Windows
[12:08] <Timerever> :-(
[12:09] <Timerever> i have this question also... a bit wierd but....
[12:09] <Timerever> when you install ubuntu it has XFree4.3
[12:10] <Timerever> if you install X.org 6.8 you won't have nice (and slow) shadow on gnome,cause it wasn't compiled with support for it isn't?
[12:10] <JStrike> yep
[12:10] <JStrike> Metacity doesn't have the compositor enabled yet
[12:10] <crimsun> you don't want the X.Org in Hoary anyhow
[12:11] <Timerever> ?
[12:12] <Timerever> is X.org broken in beta ubuntu (sorry forgot it's codename)
[12:13] <crimsun> yes.
[12:13] <JStrike> XOrg just really isn't much different to XFree unless you have a WM that does compositing etc
[12:13] <crimsun> (codename Hoary)
[12:13] <Timerever> compositing is nice :)
[12:13] <murf> hello, my mouse dont work after i install ubuntu warty ... it is standart ps2 mouse, i have [Driver mouse, Device /dev/input/mice, Protocol auto]  in the XF86Config, anybody know what shall i do?
[12:13] <HcE> which WM uses compositing?
[12:13] <Timerever> and freetype too :(
[12:14] <Timerever> XfWM
[12:14] <JStrike> HcE : None of the major ones atm
[12:14] <Timerever> it uses it
[12:14] <HcE> so Gnome or Openbox dosn't?
[12:14] <crimsun> xfwm uses its own composite methods
[12:14] <Timerever> :)
[12:14] <Timerever> doh
[12:14] <JStrike> But metacity should have it soon. The code has been in for ages (in unstable form)
[12:16] <murf> nobody have some suggestion?
[12:17] <crimsun> murf: when you move the mouse, does `cat /dev/input/mice' report anything?
[12:17] <douglas> use /dev/psaux
[12:17] <Timerever> well going away now
[12:17] <Timerever> bye
[12:19] <murf> crimsun: nothing in cat /dev/input/mice when i move the mouse
[12:19] <HcE> murf: you say it's a ps2 mouse, and you use /dev/input/mice ?
[12:20] <crimsun> what about douglas's /dev/psaux?
[12:20] <HcE> I thought that was for USB
[12:20] <crimsun> HcE: it's device-neutral
[12:20] <HcE> mhm, /dev/psaux would be my choice
[12:20] <murf> there is no such device psaux, so i create psaux via MAKEDEV ....
[12:20] <HcE> crw-------  1 root root 10, 1 2002-10-08 14:03 /dev/psaux
[12:23] <douglas> yep
[12:23] <douglas> /dev/psaux is working on my machine
[12:23] <mjg59> psaux is just a repeater for input/mice in 2.6
[12:24] <mjg59> You'll get exactly the same thing out of the two of them
[12:24] <HcE> oh
[12:24] <magnon> murf: you're on ubuntu? makedev won't help you since there's udev
[12:26] <murf> magnon: nop i install ubuntu and there is no udev
[12:29] <murf> hmmm psaux doesnt work either :-(
[12:37] <murf> mjg59: so why it doesn't work when i use psaux or mice ?
[12:38] <adnans> anyone else experiencing broken xorg on hoary?
[12:44] <rico_k> zdar. je tu niekto z ciech alebo slovenska ?
[12:44] <alexissoft> coucou
[12:46] <adnans> ah ok
[12:49] <chibifs> Does anyone here use gmail? o_o;
[12:54] <daniels> (yeah, X is broken in hoary, fix on the way)
[12:56] <berceco> Does anyone know what will happen if i boot with the noacpi option ??
[12:58] <Mabus> greetings! I'm running on the latest xorg packages from hoary, and I'm having a bit of trouble starting X. It claims the bitmap and pcidata modules don't exist. Any thoughts ?
[12:59] <daniels> Mabus: fix is on the way
[12:59] <scizzo> hi daniels
[12:59] <daniels> yo
[12:59] <Mabus> daniels: oh, great! A couple of hours, or ?
[01:00] <daniels> Mabus: hopefully 2h
[01:00] <Mabus> very good
[01:03] <Shufla> hello :)
[01:04] <scizzo> hi
[01:04] <Shufla> I'd like to start polish documentation in ubuntu... am I allowed to setup wiki's PolishDocumentation page and add there pages with docs in polish?
[01:09] <Tomcat_> Shufla: I'm pretty sure you can do that.
[01:10] <Tomcat_> There's already GermanDocumentation, so I see no problems.
[01:11] <Shufla> great :D
[01:12] <Shufla> where are guidelines for fresh commiters to wiki?
[01:12] <Shufla> (my inet connection is slow and browsing web is painful, sorry :( )
[01:23] <Pozac> Is xorg broken everywhere or just here? :(
[01:23] <Ribs> works here
[01:23] <Shufla> work[ed]  here
[01:24] <Ribs> did you just upgrade?
[01:24] <Pozac> yeah
[01:24] <Pozac> yesterday
[01:24] <Ribs> hoary, right?
[01:24] <Pozac> now I'm missing base modules like pcidata and bitmap
[01:24] <Pozac> of course :)
[01:24] <Ribs> right, thanks for telling me
[01:25] <Ribs> I think I might go back to Warty now
[01:25] <Ribs> The backports project is looking good
[01:25] <scizzo> it is suppose to be fixed later today
[01:26] <Pozac> cool
[01:26] <scizzo> in a few hours or so
[01:26] <scizzo> and hoary == development so things will break
[01:26] <Pozac> yeah, I know
[01:26] <Pozac> thanks :)
[01:27] <xevil> my experience with Debian unstable was similar to yours Pozac... something was always broken
[01:27] <Ribs> That's why it's called unstable :)
[01:27] <xevil> no doubt...
[01:27] <Pozac> This is the first problem I've had with Hoary :)
[01:28] <foxfuz> hi *
[01:28] <Pozac> So I'm not complaining.
[01:28] <Pozac> hi
[01:29] <Pozac> + download over dialup
[01:30] <scizzo> Pozac: oo..that is a nice one
[01:31] <scizzo> Pozac: sitting counting money while downloading
[01:31] <xevil> Pozac I feel your pain... I'm in "the sticks" as well stuck with a dialup :(
[01:31] <Pozac> :)
[01:32] <Pozac> So who can suggest me an console activity for the next couple of hours sin ce I won't be X'ing? :)
[01:32] <xevil> Pozac boggle?
[01:33] <Pozac> boggle?
[01:33] <xevil> Pozac word puzzles
[01:34] <xevil> it's in the bsdgames package
[01:34] <Pozac> ohthanks, vil
[01:34] <Pozac> xevil, even.
[01:34] <Pozac> This is my first time with xchat-text.
[01:35] <xevil> hangman is in there as well
[01:36] <scizzo> Pozac: irssi is nice.. :)
[01:36] <xevil> or epic
[01:37] <xevil> I alternate between epic and bitchx
[01:37] <Pozac> I've used epic and bx in the past
[01:39] <Pozac> From where do I get irssi?
[01:39] <Auke> Pozac: apt-get?
[01:40] <xevil> it's in ubuntu's repository
[01:40] <Pozac> It has no installation candidate. :( What does that mean?
[01:41] <Pozac> The worst thing about Ubuntu is the inherited lame debian error msgs :(
[01:41] <Shufla> Pozac: apt-cache search irssi?
[01:42] <Pozac> oh
[01:42] <Shufla> Pozac: 'cos irssi in console is irssi-text, not irssi
[01:42] <Pozac> thanks, Shufla :)
[01:42] <Shufla> n/p
[01:43] <Shufla> support@work support@home :D
[01:43] <Pozac> Thats the spirit :)
[01:44] <Shufla> i hope that hoary will be mature enough to implement it as main workstation in company i'm working for :D
[01:45] <Shufla> eh, brb
[01:47] <Shufla> re :D
[01:47] <Pozac> Shufla: Yeah, Hoary is coming along nicely.. Can hardly wait till April.
[01:48] <xevil> is that the release date for Hoary?
[01:48] <ruben> is it normal that xorg breaks after an upgrade?
[01:48] <Shufla> Pozac: Huh... But I won't implement it :( Linux in general is to...geek-like for ordinary secretary. But Ubuntu will change it shortly :D
[01:48] <ruben> my X is completely dead
[01:48] <Shufla> ruben, did you upgrade warty->hoary?
[01:48] <ruben> it can't load the modules pcidata & bitmap
[01:48] <ruben> Shufla: I have been running hoary for a while now
[01:48] <daniels> ruben: no, but a fix is about to be uploaded, will be in the archive within 2h
[01:49] <ruben> after this morning's upgrade, it died
[01:49] <xevil> ruben yours and otheres as well... it a broken package
[01:49] <Shufla> ruben, well, velkom in world of instability :D
[01:49] <ruben> daniels: ok, great
[01:49] <ruben> Shufla: I'm coming from gentoo, hoary is incredibly stable :D
[01:49] <Auke> heh lucky me for downgrading hoary -> warthy then :-)
[01:49] <chand> ruben : https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4797
[01:49] <Shufla> ruben, but it may change in any time - that's diffrent with gentoo :D
[01:49] <ruben> This means I have 2 hours of study up ahead then ;)
[01:50] <Shufla> i'm running warty right now with backported firefox-1.0 from hoary :D
[01:50] <chand> ruebn downgrade xserver-xorg package or rebuild xorg ;)
[01:50] <chand> ruben worry
[01:50] <chand> who
[01:50] <chand> s/worry/sorry
[01:50] <Auke> say, those of you who know hoary and warthy both have seen the difference in the default panels right? ( applications|computer vs. applications|locations|system)
[01:51] <ruben> nah, I can live with the breakage for a while ;)
[01:51] <ruben> Auke: uhu
[01:51] <Shufla> Auke, yes, it was disscussed on -devel list. they want to make better and more understandalbe structure of menu
[01:51] <Auke> ruben: any clue where I can find this menu configuration?
[01:52] <Auke> I think ubuntu is doing great in that aspect... I just didn't like the locations bar so i'd like to strip it out
[01:52] <shoka> May be obvious, but do I get  Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: from Ubunto Warty when trying to start a remote X session, but the same host works fine from Fedora 3.
[01:52] <shoka> why do I dooh
[01:52] <Shufla> shoka, you sshed to remote host?
[01:52] <shoka> yep
[01:52] <Shufla> shoka, try to ssh -X, works?
[01:52] <chand> u need to use ssh -X host or ssh -Y with latest ssh
[01:53] <daniels> does anyone here run amd64?
[01:53] <Auke> -Y ?
[01:53] <chand> and check if X11Forwading is set to yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[01:53] <Auke> chand: that's only for accepting ssh connections, not for making them
[01:54] <chand> The behavior of ssh clients that are invoked with the -X flag has changed. In OpenSSH 3.8 and later, X11 forwarding is performed in a way that applications run as untrusted clients by default
[01:54] <Auke> chand: as in, that way you enable others to use -X to _your_ machine
[01:54] <chand> To forward X11 so that applications are run as trusted clients, invoke ssh with the -Y flag instead of the -X flag, or set ForwardX11Trusted in the ~/.ssh/config file.
[01:54] <chand> Auke : ok
[01:54] <Shufla>  man ssh | grep 'Enables X11 forwarding'
[01:55] <Auke> chand: it's ssh*D*_config remember :-P
[01:55] <shoka> Ta, thats a fix :) :) :). When did that happen, and why?
[01:55] <ruben> there's a bug in the locations bar imho
[01:55] <Auke> shoka: I think it's a difference in the default ssh-client configuration in ubuntu and fedora
[01:56] <ruben> It opens mounted FTP's with firefox instead of nautilus
[01:56] <Auke> chand: and do you know the technical difference between trusted and untrusted clients?
[01:56] <Auke> lol
[01:57] <Shufla> blah... i cannot type uppercase polish letters... and i've forgot solution :(
[01:58] <shoka> Thanks all superb service, back to playing with remote Ethereal
[01:59] <chand> ;)
[02:00] <Auke> ruben: do you know which file contains the 'Applications | COmputer' menu items in my panel?
[02:01] <erich> Auke: this is not a single file, but comes from .desktop files IIRC
[02:01] <erich> Auke: so when a new program is installed it will just drop another .desktop file there and appears in the menu
[02:01] <ruben> there is some file in /etc, but as erich said, it's mainly from the .desktop
[02:01] <Auke> hmm.. I assumed it was somewhere in /usr/share or something, because it's the same for all users
[02:01] <chand> Auke : all clients are trusted ;)
[02:02] <Auke> chand: so there is no real difference between -X and -Y :P that's rich
[02:03] <Auke> and I can see the strategey with .desktop files.. but if I want to make a change _above_ that level, for instance add a menu next to applications and computer?
[02:04] <Shufla> ok :D
[02:04] <Shufla> oldie go to university :D
[02:04] <Shufla> have a nice day :D
[02:04] <ruben> Auke: my guess wil be: /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/
[02:04] <erich> Auke: i think they are hardcoded in the panel source these menus. You can of course add panel folders, or add some separate applet.
[02:04] <ruben> however, i'm not sure if this is used with gnome-menus
[02:04] <erich> ruben: bad guess i'd expect. this is about VFS
[02:04] <ruben> i'm not at all familiar with the panel config
[02:05] <Auke> hmm.. could be hard-coded.. that would explain why I could find it
[02:05] <ruben> erich: applications are defined in some file (atleast, that's what it looks like at first sight)
[02:06] <Pozac> whats this about a new menu spec in the new gnome-panel?
[02:06] <erich> ruben: these files do the opposite - map the virtual file system applications:// to reflect the menus contents
[02:06] <Auke> I get the feeling that <somewhere> they define that applications and computer should show up, and then /usr/share/applications/*.desktop specify what's in those...
[02:07] <Pozac> Auke: gconf maybe?
[02:07] <ruben> erich: hmmm, interesting, my aplications:// has been dead for ages though
[02:08] <erich> Auke: /usr/share/applications
[02:08] <erich> Auke: IIRC these files are used to make the menu
[02:08] <Auke> erich: indeed, I change / add those if I want new entries in a menu
[02:09] <Auke> erich: however, this time I'd like to add a whole new menu
[02:09] <erich> dpkg -L gnome-panel
[02:10] <erich> must be one of these, or maybe in gnome-panel-data
[02:11] <Auke> ...
[02:11] <Auke> it's a bloody miracle that whole gnome menu even works
[02:11] <ruben> Auke:
[02:11] <ruben> try this: /etc/xdg/menus/
[02:12] <Auke> don't have that one
[02:12] <ruben> you don't have gnome-menus installed?
[02:12] <ruben> the new menu depends on that one
[02:13] <Pozac> ruben: He needs hoary and the newest gnome-panel for that.
[02:13] <Auke> the package doesnt even exist in my repository (warthy)
[02:13] <ruben> ohhh
[02:13] <Pozac> xdg = freedesktop.org
[02:13] <ruben> i thought you wanted to edit the new panel
[02:13] <Pozac> somehow
[02:13] <ruben> the old one is a source patch afaik
[02:14] <Auke> (ask)
[02:14] <Auke> (aFk)
[02:15] <hazza96> how do you set a different wallpaper for each workspace?
[02:16] <umarmung> hazza96, gnome can't do this, you have to install an app like wallpapoz
[02:16] <Pozac> ls
[02:16] <Pozac> duh
[02:17] <hazza96> bugger
[02:17] <hazza96> KDE can
[02:17] <hazza96> :)
[02:17] <Pozac> Gnome is not a toy
[02:17] <hazza96> lol
[02:17] <Pozac> You have to have a valid use for a computer to use Gnome.
[02:17] <Pozac> :)
[02:18] <scizzo> hazza96: actually..that is nautilus
[02:19] <hazza96> huh?
[02:19] <scizzo> nautilus sets the wallpaper
[02:19] <hazza96> oh
[02:19] <hazza96> and what is nautilus?
[02:20] <Pozac> the crappy broken filemanager that sets the wallpaper
[02:20] <Pozac> :)
[02:20] <scizzo> filemanager that is built into gnome...
[02:20] <scizzo> but nautilus handles the look of the desktop also...
[02:20] <lupus_> like explorer.exe in winhoos :)
[02:21] <Pozac> except not as much
[02:21] <hazza96> what else can you use on Ubuntu if Nautilus is so crappy
[02:21] <Pozac> Your computer will function without it.
[02:21] <scizzo> the application to set the wallpaper is gnome...but nautilus makes it show on the desktop
[02:21] <scizzo> what is wrong with nautilus?
[02:21] <scizzo> I like nautilus
[02:21] <scizzo> works just fine
[02:21] <Pozac> so do I
[02:21] <Pozac> yup
[02:21] <Pozac> it's gotten a lot better in the last couple of years
[02:22] <scizzo> Pozac: so why is it crappy? like you said?
[02:22] <hazza96> (23:20:04) Pozac: the crappy broken filemanager that sets the wallpaper
[02:22] <Pozac> nonetheless it's the least crappy filemanager
[02:22] <Pozac> they all need a lot of stuff totally unrelated to file managing
[02:22] <Auke> "all file browsers suck, this one just sucks less"
[02:23] <hazza96> why can't a new user run Synaptic but the original user can
[02:23] <scizzo> hazza96: because the first user has sudo rights
[02:23] <Pozac> edit /etc/sudoers
[02:23] <scizzo> hazza96: sudo visudo
[02:24] <Pozac> oh well
[02:24] <Auke> Pozac: make sure to use 'visudo' ;)
[02:24] <scizzo> Pozac: you need visudo for that
[02:24] <Pozac> scizzo: And here I've been nano -w'ing it always
[02:24] <Auke> I usually do something like %wheel: ALL= NOPASSWD: ALL
[02:24] <Pozac> gosh darn.
[02:24] <Pozac> Yeah, I do what Auke does too.
[02:25] <Pozac> So why do I need to use visudo?
[02:26] <Pozac> oh
[02:26] <Pozac> locking and stuff. Sorry for asking.
[02:26] <scizzo> Pozac: ls -l /etc/sudoers
[02:26] <Auke> and checking mostly
[02:26] <scizzo> Pozac: man sudo
[02:26] <Pozac> (stupid man and all it's answers)
[02:26] <Auke> ghehe... imagine the impact of making a small typo in a production system :P
[02:27] <scizzo> Pozac: can also look at man visudo
[02:28] <Pozac> scizzo: just did.
[02:30] <hazza96> visudo is much easier, you don't have to chmod the file or even change into the /etc dir
[02:31] <Pozac> Enjoy.
[02:31] <Auke> yay :)
[02:32] <Auke> anyone know the release date of KotoR ] [ ?
[02:32] <Auke> (PC version?)
[02:32] <Auke> ghe, ok, ok, I get the point- its a linux-world :P ok, see ya
[02:35] <lupus_> does anyoneknow a way to let python show which functions that I'm using on my project are deprecated
[02:36] <douglas> it does it automatic
[02:36] <douglas> when you use a deprecated function it shows you in a warning
[02:37] <lupus_> hmm weird
[02:37] <lupus_> when I use the String.replace function
[02:37] <lupus_> I seem to have never gotten any errors about this
[02:37] <douglas> wich is your python version ?
[02:38] <lupus_> first python 2.3
[02:38] <lupus_> now python 2.4 but haven't tested with that
[02:39] <douglas> im using py 2.4
[02:40] <lupus_> my project uses python-gnome2
[02:40] <douglas> yep
[02:40] <lupus_> so I have to wait till that is available for 2.4
[02:40] <douglas> and it just python 2.3
[02:40] <douglas> hehehe
[02:41] <lupus_> this is my project: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-schedule/src/
[02:42] <lupus_> but like I said it didn't said to me the String.replace was deprecrated (I had to read it in the manual :p)
[02:43] <douglas> im testing that now
[02:44] <lupus_> K :)
[02:50] <douglas> hey lupus
[02:50] <douglas> i was wrong
[02:50] <douglas> try python -W
[02:51] <lupus_> k thx
[02:51] <douglas> okz
[02:55] <marais> hi :))
[02:55] <douglas> hi :)
[02:56] <marais> I've got a question but I don't know id it's the right place to expose it
[02:56] <marais> :)
[02:56] <Gwildor> try here
[02:56] <marais> thks a lot :)
[02:56] <Gwildor> :)
[02:56] <marais> I've got installed in my computer w2000 and ubuntu
[02:56] <marais> each one in one partition
[02:56] <Gwildor> ok
[02:56] <marais> w2000 was ok until I installed ubuntu..
[02:57] <marais> qhen I try to start it apprears a message saying:
[02:57] <marais> disk e (the one con ubuntu) is with a systems file fat32
[02:57] <marais> the systema starts checking it and dos not let me init w2000
[02:58] <marais> it starts but at a certain point gets stopped..
[02:58] <marais> exactly at the point after configuring net connexions
[03:07] <Pozac> marais: If windows fails checking it, the disc is probably broken.
[03:07] <marais> mnnn
[03:07] <marais> but it's this disk:)
[03:08] <Pozac> or did the check complete?
[03:08] <Pozac> yes
[03:08] <marais> I have no problems in linux
[03:08] <marais> the check gets completed
[03:08] <Pozac> hmm
[03:08] <marais> after there is a notice very short that i can never read
[03:08] <marais> and then starts initing
[03:09] <marais> very slowly but it does it
[03:09] <Pozac> can you start windows failsafe?
[03:09] <marais> sip:)
[03:09] <marais> that I can do..
[03:09] <Pozac> Somewhere there is an option to reboot on errors... Not sure where though :(
[03:09] <marais> yes I do :)
[03:09] <marais> F8
[03:10] <Pozac> turning that off will prevent the machine from rebooting immidiatly so you can read the error
[03:10] <marais> mnnn
[03:10] <marais> I will try...
[03:10] <Pozac> You should have asked me pre-Ubuntu :(
[03:10] <marais> I could start the machine though in safe way mode
[03:10] <hazza96> I have found the font handling in Gnome on Ubuntu is much much better than KDE on Mandrake
[03:11] <marais> thanks a lot again Pozac :)
[03:11] <Pozac> no problem, sorry I couldnt help further
[03:12] <marais> :)
[03:13] <lupus_> that ms does this is total crap
[03:13] <lupus_> there solution for the blue windows :p
[03:13] <lupus_> reboot :)
[03:13] <marais> jajajajaja
[03:13] <Pozac> hazza96: If you got nothing to do the next 10-16 weeks, I recommend you try out gentoo. I've had my best font results there, after moderate tweaking.
[03:13] <marais> yes :)
[03:13] <Pozac> agreed :)
[03:13] <lupus_> marais, dutch? :P
[03:13] <marais> nop :)
[03:13] <marais> spanish
[03:13] <lupus_> in my language ja = yes
[03:14] <marais> ahhh oki :)
[03:15] <Pozac> Man, I could sure go for an updated xorg package right about now.
[03:15] <lupus_> why? :)
[03:15] <Pozac> It's broken in hoary :(
[03:15] <lupus_> haven't noticed any problems
[03:16] <lupus_> other gnome stuff is broken :s
[03:16] <Pozac> So you don't get the missing base modules error?
[03:16] <hazza96> Pozac: i have started then abandonded installing Gentoo 10-15 times
[03:17] <lupus_> oh crap :)
[03:17] <lupus_> I haven't restart C
[03:17] <lupus_> X
[03:17] <Pozac> hazza96: Well, you need the 10-16 weeks.
[03:17] <lupus_> after todays update
[03:17] <hazza96> I have Ubuntu running fine thanks
[03:17] <Pozac> lupus_: I recommend you keep her humming then. :)
[03:17] <lupus_> bleh :S
[03:17] <hazza96> It only took me two days because I was living in a Mnadrake world before that
[03:18] <hazza96> I get much better FPS on Ubuntu in Americas Army
[03:18] <hazza96> even on the older drivers
[03:19] <Pozac> I havent tried the newer Mandrakes, but the older ones I've tried sure sure weren't lean.
[03:19] <Pozac> -/+ sure.
[03:19] <Pozac> Ubuntu is lean and sweet.
[03:19] <lupus_> I was a slackware user before ubuntu
[03:20] <lupus_> and before that fedora
[03:21] <Pozac> btw, does anyone know when we will start seeing some of the recent boot optimizations in ubuntu?
[03:21] <Pozac> 30 second boot is a wonderful thing.
[03:23] <lexhider> pozac: hoary which will ship in April.
[03:24] <Pozac> lexhider: Yeah well, I'm using hoary now.
[03:25] <Pozac> Perhaps I'm just used to the gentoo way of a day or two from action to results. :)
[03:25] <lexhider> pozac: sorry, I had assumed that stuff was in hoary already. I'm currently upgrading to hoary so I don't know.
[03:27] <Pozac> lexhider: Enjoy the upgrade, lots of exciting new software :)
[03:27] <odo> Is hoary like debian sid? meaning, is everything every now and then broken? ;P
[03:28] <lexhider> odo: yes, AFAIK
[03:28] <marais> how do you update?
[03:28] <odo> lexhider: ok
[03:28] <Mabus> Xorg is broken in hoary atm, for example.
[03:29] <Pozac> I believe they try hard to keep it working though
[03:29] <odo> I will most likely upgrade to hoary when it is released as stable...I rather have working system with older packages...
[03:29] <odo> especially on a laptop, I want a system that I don't have to be repairing all the time...
[03:29] <Pozac> odo: That's what people who run win98 say.
[03:29] <Pozac> :)
[03:30] <odo> haha
[03:30] <lexhider> ubuntu releases every 6 months so you can expect the development branch to break early on in the cycle and to be pretty stable later on.
[03:30] <odo> I used Gentoo up until 2 days ago on my laptop...it was a nightmare ;P
[03:30] <Pozac> This is the only update that has left my laptop broken
[03:31] <Pozac> odo: I even bought a 7200 rpm disc for my ThinkPad X21 because of Gentoo.
[03:31] <odo> :)
[03:31] <odo> I decided that Gentoo is more trouble than its worth :)
[03:31] <Pozac> Ditto :)
[03:31] <odo> But I still run it on my fileserver
[03:31] <Pozac> I installed ubuntu in my workstation a couple of months ago - an hour later I switched my laptop too
[03:32] <urdalen> ;)
[03:32] <Pozac> odo: it's easier when you don't run ~x86 ;)
[03:33] <odo> it is
[03:34] <odo> gentoo was good about a year ago...now portage is too bloated and almost every emerge -u world gets something broken
[03:34] <Pozac> I miss the compiling sometimes though
[03:35] <Pozac> odo: And now Ubuntu takes the cake.
[03:35] <Pozac> root__: You should log in as a user.
[03:36] <root__> woops, if that's me
[03:36] <Pozac> it is
[03:37] <Pozac> rturner: Much better. :)
[03:37] <rturner> hi, I just upgraded hoary, which contained an xorg update, now the xserver can't find modules bitmap and pcidata, any ideas?
[03:37] <Pozac> It's known
[03:37] <rturner> Pozac , thanks for the root tip off :)
[03:37] <Pozac> An hour or more I believe.
[03:37] <rturner> ok good news
[03:38] <rturner> Pozac , thanks
[03:38] <Pozac> rturner: I'm also IRC'ing in text mode because of this. ;)
[03:38] <rturner> hehe :)
[03:39] <odo> ok, I got to go now, bbl
[03:39] <Pozac> rturner: It should be possible to install the previous version, if you're impatient.
[03:39] <Pozac> Not sure exactly how, though.
[03:40] <rturner> i'm ok, I know these guys won't take long to fix
[03:40] <rturner> Pozac , there's something very minamalist and satisfying about text mode :)
[03:41] <rturner> Pozac  what does that mean?
[03:41] <Pozac> rturner: Indeed. Also, bitchX is very oldschool. :)
[03:41] <rturner> what VERSION
[03:41] <u> hi, anyone can tell me why sometime i can't read floppy, I have a "Unable to mount the selected volume" when i double click the floppy 1 ?
[03:41] <Pozac> rturner: I was recommended irssi-text
[03:42] <rturner> Pozac : it was the only one i could remember offhand, has a very memorable name
[03:42] <Pozac> rturner: lol, yeah. And a cool icon, if you've seen that.
[03:42] <rturner> Pozac , so what's the state of the art in irc clients, usually when i have X i use xchat?
[03:43] <rturner> ah ok
[03:43] <Pozac> rturner: I use xchat too, or Gaim, when I'm the gay-smiley-acceptance-mood.
[03:45] <miausX> hi :)
[03:45] <Pozac> rturner: irssi is quite cool, actually. Might try the X version, when I get my X back.
[03:45] <Pozac> hi miausX :)
[03:45] <daniels> Pozac: you know you can disable the smileys in gaim?
[03:45] <miausX> hia Pozac! ;D
[03:45] <rturner> Pozac , I'll remember the name, I'm not a big irc user tho
[03:46] <rturner> Pozac, only when the system fries :)
[03:46] <miausX> Pozac, irssi rocks :)
[03:46] <Pozac> daniels: I can? Sweet.
[03:46] <Mabus> Pozac:  you can also download other smiley sets.
[03:46] <Pozac> I'll be sure to check that out soon.
[03:47] <Pozac> Mabus: I currently don't have an emoticon for how I'm feeling.
[03:47] <Pozac> ;)
[03:47] <Mabus> hehe :)
[03:47] <miausX> hum, I need MySQL Administrator (mysql-admin in Debian Sid). Can I install it with dpkg -i or that is dangerous? there is a binary package ready to use in the mysql homepage too :)
[03:48] <Pozac> hmm
[03:48] <Pozac> Have you checked universe and multiverse?
[03:49] <Pozac> It's in hoary.
[03:49] <miausX> yep, both Pozac :)
[03:49] <miausX> hum... I'm in warty... I'm thinking about to install hoary package :)
[03:49] <Pozac> miausX: Try googling for backports
[03:49] <miausX> oks :D
[03:49] <u> hi, anyone can tell me why sometime i can't read floppy, I have a "Unable to mount the selected volume" when i double click the floppy 1 ?
[03:50] <miausX> thank you Pozac!
[03:50] <Pozac> np
[03:50] <miausX> Pozac, here is a shot --> http://www.mysql.com/products/administrator/mysqladmin_health_linux-small.png
[03:50] <Pozac> u: Isnt there an "advanced"-button or something?
[03:50] <miausX> looks great! :D
[03:50] <Pozac> miausX: My X is broken :(
[03:50] <miausX> oh, oks :)
[03:51] <u> Pozac: i dont see any advance bouton?
[03:51] <miausX> Pozac, problems with the X package in hoary?
[03:51] <u> button*
[03:51] <Pozac> miausX: Yes, daniels is working on it.
[03:51] <miausX> aha, oks :))
[03:52] <miausX> oh, daniels is a Ubuntu developer? great job, daniels... THANK YOU :D
[03:52] <Pozac> u: hmm..  :D
[03:54] <Pozac> I think you need to unmount it first
[03:54] <u> yep, but still useful some time
[03:54] <Pozac> miausX: I hear that.
[03:54] <u> ok ! but if i didnt do it, how do i fix it now?
[03:55] <Pozac> sudo umount -f /mnt/floppy
[03:55] <Pozac> I think
[03:55] <miausX> u, can you mount it from the terminal?
[03:55] <miausX> O.o
[03:55] <mathieu__> sorry, i got disconnet
[03:55] <mathieu__> lol, im U
[03:55] <mathieu__> :P
[03:55] <mathieu__> mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[03:56] <Pozac> hehe
[03:56] <Pozac> oh
[03:56] <Pozac> is it formatted?
[03:56] <womp> Pozac: don't forget slow
[03:56] <mathieu__> thats what i get when i try to read a floppy
[03:56] <womp> ;)
[03:56] <Pozac> womp: Right. And noise and fragile.
[03:56] <mathieu__> all floppy i tried have this error
[03:56] <DJCarras> pos eso
[03:56] <Pozac> try mount -t fat /mnt/floppy
[03:56] <mathieu__> yesterday i have been able to read a disk
[03:57] <miausX> hummmm
[03:57] <DJCarras> try mount -t auto /dev/fd0
[03:57] <lexhider> isn't it vfat?
[03:57] <Pozac> for floppies?
[03:57] <mathieu__> with a floppy in or not?
[03:57] <Pozac> in
[03:57] <miausX>   $ sudo -s
[03:57] <miausX>   # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0/
[03:57] <miausX> that is :)
[03:57] <Pozac> ok then
[03:57] <DJCarras> for example
[03:57] <DJCarras> :d
[03:58] <DJCarras> :XD
[03:58] <DJCarras> ups
[03:58] <miausX> :D
[03:58] <DJCarras> XDD
[03:58] <Pozac> Doesn't it usually autodetect vfat?
[03:58] <DJCarras> yes
[03:58] <mathieu__> mount -t auto /dev/fd0 = i have to be root, but i'm root, im the only user
[03:58] <mathieu__> ?
[03:58] <miausX> Pozac, yes, but it fails with some floppies, I don't know why :)
[03:58] <DJCarras> mount -t /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[03:58] <Pozac> mathieu__: sudo mount -t auto /dev/fd0
[03:58] <DJCarras> ups
[03:59] <DJCarras> mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[03:59] <Pozac> mathieu__: sudo is what ubuntu uses to gain root priviliges.
[03:59] <miausX> yep
[03:59] <Pozac> Read more on ubuntulinux.org
[03:59] <mathieu__> ok
[03:59] <miausX> mathieu__, type whoami in a terminal :)
[04:00] <Pozac> The root user is only accesible through sudo
[04:00] <miausX> before and after to type sudo -s
[04:00] <imka> hi
[04:00] <Pozac> You can set a root password if you want to enable the root user
[04:00] <Pozac> hi imka
[04:00] <mathieu__> ho, i know im real newbi, i start learning linux like a week or two
[04:00] <imka> i have a strange problem in gnome.
[04:00] <mathieu__> so
[04:00] <mathieu__> sorry if i'm that noob
[04:00] <miausX> Pozac, yes, sudo for execute a single command, sudo -s tu start a session as root (pipes, redirections, etc)
[04:00] <Pozac> mathieu__: It's cool to be noob
[04:00] <miausX> yeah :D
[04:00] <Pozac> miausX: neat.
[04:01] <imka> i've installed skype, and when i start it (most of the time), its icon is not in the tray but on the desktop
[04:01] <Pozac> miausX: I've been using the old sudo su - trick
[04:01] <miausX> hehehe, I use sudo -s, when I finish CTRL+d and all done :)
[04:01] <rturner> if you just give the root a password you can login as root, or something like that, can't remember
[04:01] <mathieu__> miausX, thanks, that works
[04:01] <mathieu__> :P
[04:01] <miausX> imka, sorry, no idea about skipe :S
[04:01] <rturner> but it was easy
[04:02] <mathieu__> thanks a lot
[04:02] <miausX> mathieu__, no prob ;)
[04:02] <Pozac> imka: I don't know skype, but there has been a couple of different ways the tray has been handled. skype --help perhaps ?
[04:02] <Pozac> rturner: yup
[04:02] <imka> skype is great, but the only problem is that it's qt
[04:02] <imka> Pozac i check
[04:02] <miausX> mathieu__, don't forget to umount the floppy BEFORE remove it from the drive! :)
[04:02] <intinig> Hello all
[04:03] <miausX> hi intinig!
[04:03] <intinig> After yesterday's xorg update
[04:03] <Pozac> Its known
[04:03] <miausX> lol! this channel grows from day to day :D
[04:03] <Pozac> an hour or so
[04:03] <intinig> I can't get a gui anymore :)
[04:03] <Pozac> intinig: Missing bitmap and pcidata?
[04:03] <intinig> Pozac yep. Known problem?
[04:03] <daniels> i just uploaded x.org, if you dist-upgrade in two hours or so it'll be fixed
[04:03] <Pozac> intinig: Yup, an hour or so.
[04:03] <Pozac> two hours or so.
[04:03] <intinig> Cool, thanks guys
[04:03] <Pozac> ;)
[04:04] <miausX> :D
[04:04] <intinig> I know I don't have to worry
[04:04] <intinig> with ubuntu :)
[04:04] <daniels> yeah, lost connection for a while, turned out the wired network here is totally stuffed
[04:04] <daniels> but wireless works fine, go figure
[04:04] <miausX> hehehehe
[04:04] <intinig> kudos to the python guy that fixed python orbit too
[04:05] <DJCarras> weno gente
[04:05] <miausX> oh, talking about python... yesterday I found txt2tags, beautiful program :))
[04:05] <DJCarras> uno q se marcha
[04:05] <miausX> ta hora DJCarras :)
[04:05] <DJCarras> ciaoooo
[04:05] <intinig> ciao
[04:05] <DJCarras> byeeeeee
[04:05] <Pozac> daniels: Any idea about when mono will be back?
[04:06] <miausX> hum, mono come's from ximian?
 I tried to unmount the floppy before removing it, but i got error. "unable to unmount... " ?
[04:07] <mathieu__> :)
[04:07] <Pozac> I updated yesterday, and mono was removed
[04:07] <womp> miausX: miguel de icaza is the godfather of mono
[04:07] <intinig> I'll take a nap while I wait for xorg, thanks and goodbye to all
[04:07] <mathieu__> i know why :) i have to be root, so i'll go and do it in the term
[04:08] <viktor_> daniels: is X supposed to work now? cause I just ran update and dist-upgrade and still got the bitmap and pcidata errors...
[04:08] <Pozac> womp: and Gnome.
[04:08] <miausX> hahahahaha, that is... ximian logo is a monkey, and mono == monkey in spanish :D
[04:08] <Pozac> viktor_: 2 hours.
[04:09] <mathieu__> device is busy ? :)
[04:09] <womp> miausX: a ximian is a kind of monkey :D
[04:09] <miausX> Pozac, no no, Miguel de Icaza is the creator of Ximian Gnome, that is not Gnome :)
[04:09] <Pozac> miausX: And the original Gnome !!
[04:09] <miausX> womp, oh! I don't know that :D
[04:10] <mathieu__> How can i set me as root ?
[04:10] <miausX> Pozac, uh! I don't know that too ! :D
[04:10] <viktor_> Pozac, ah ok. I just came back to the machine seeing what daniels said without knowing what he said... :)
[04:10] <womp> mathieu__: why do you want to do that?
[04:10] <miausX> mathieu__, root -s --> begin a session as root and CTRL+d ends
[04:10] <Pozac> sudo -s
[04:10] <miausX> errrr... sudo -s, sorry :)
[04:10] <viktor_> Pozac, man I'm dumb. without knowing when he said it I meant..
[04:10] <Pozac> ;)
[04:10] <mathieu__> because i need to unmount the floppy
[04:10] <womp> Pozac: not really, gnome is a GNU project, it's not really miguel's pet ;)
[04:11] <daniels> viktor_: only when you get 6.8.1-1ubuntu8 in a dist-upgrade
[04:11] <daniels> Pozac: weird, I'm not sure, sorry
[04:11] <Pozac> viktor_: hehe ok... he said it 6-7 minutes ago :)
[04:11] <mathieu__> if i do it in terminal: root@ubuntu:~ # umount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[04:11] <mathieu__> umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[04:11] <mathieu__> ?
[04:11] <miausX> mathieu__, you are trying to umount the floppy from it is mounted
[04:12] <miausX> mathieu__, cd && umount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[04:12] <viktor_> daniels, ok. thanks. I guess I can revert to xfree or a cached version of xorg right?
[04:12] <mathieu__> ill try this
[04:12] <lexhider> lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2004-December/001116.html
[04:12] <mathieu__> but can you tell me what the cd && stand for?
[04:13] <Pozac> cd = move to home dir
[04:13] <Pozac> pwd
[04:13] <Pozac> = current dir.
[04:13] <lexhider> cd is the "change directory" command
[04:13] <miausX> cd --> go to your home directory and && is used to execute a command after the first
[04:13] <lexhider> && means logical and
[04:13] <Pozac> if your current dir is the floppy dir, it is in use by you.
[04:13] <miausX> yeah :)
[04:13] <mathieu__> ok
[04:13] <mathieu__> thanks :)
[04:13] <miausX> no prob ;)
[04:14] <mathieu__> but still do the same thing, device is busy
[04:14] <ivan> Hi - when I put a wifi caed in a laptop after I suitch on how do I get it to start?
[04:14] <Pozac> mathieu__: any nautilus windows open?
[04:14] <miausX> mathieu__, lsof /dev/fd0
[04:14] <mathieu__> nautilus ???
[04:14] <Pozac> mathieu__: file manager :)
[04:14] <miausX> lsof tells you what program are using the floppy device :)
[04:14] <mathieu__> no
[04:14] <miausX> Pozac, hehehe
[04:15] <Pozac> ;)
[04:15] <miausX> mathieu__, try lsof /dev/fd0
[04:15] <mathieu__> famd    2993 mathieu   26r   DIR    2,0 7168    1 /media/floppy0
[04:15] <mathieu__> thats the respond i got
[04:15] <Pozac> kill 2993
[04:15] <Pozac> :)
[04:15] <miausX> hum!!
[04:15] <miausX> I have an idea
[04:16] <mathieu__> lol, what is 2993 ?
[04:16] <Pozac> hehe
[04:16] <miausX> maybe it is out of that directory as root, but remains in it as user
[04:16] <Pozac> no
[04:16] <Pozac> fam just hangs because it is stupid
[04:16] <miausX> hahahahaha! lol
[04:16] <Pozac> fam is the File Alteration Monitor, which tells nautilus The File Manager when the files on the disc have changed
[04:16] <miausX> mathieu__, 2993 is the PID if famd (PID = proccess ID)
[04:17] <miausX> ups! SPLIT!!! to the barricade!!!
[04:17] <Pozac> It is supposed to let go of the files on the disc, but sometimes it gets confused and hangs
[04:17] <Pozac> mathieu__: When did you last upgrade your system?
[04:17] <anir> hi guys..
[04:18] <Pozac> hi
[04:18] <miausX> hi anir :)
[04:18] <mathieu__> never since i have linux installed
[04:18] <anir> may i ask for a help here
[04:18] <Synek> anir: sure :)
[04:18] <anir> hi misusx how are you
[04:18] <miausX> mathieu__, that is a BAD thing :)
[04:18] <mathieu__> ?
[04:18] <mathieu__> lol !
[04:18] <anir> miausx how are you
[04:18] <Pozac> mathieu__: You might want to open up synaptic and update it now.
[04:18] <miausX> anir, very well thanks! can I help you?  If you don't update, you don't give people a chance to fix their errors before you run into them :)
[04:19] <miausX> mathieu__, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:19] <Pozac> synaptic is really a nice tool.
[04:20] <mathieu__> miausX: do you always use the terminal ?
[04:20] <miausX> Pozac, I love apt or aptitude (you know... I love console) :D
[04:20] <anir> anyone???
[04:20] <mathieu__> yep, that what i was thinking, synaptic
[04:20] <anir> knock knock..
[04:20] <miausX> mathieu__, no no, I'm in xchat and gnome right now, but I love the terminal :)
[04:20] <mathieu__> :)
[04:20] <mathieu__> yep
[04:20] <mathieu__> :)
[04:20] <miausX> anir, me! whats the problem?
[04:21] <mathieu__> ill try synaptic, and ill do it in console ! that way i'll learn to work with both of them
[04:21] <mathieu__> :)
[04:21] <miausX> hehehe, good :))
[04:21] <anir> miausx which software should i use to play mpeg files?
[04:22] <miausX> anir, oh, there is a page in the ubuntu wiki talking about that, give me one moment
[04:22] <anir> sure
[04:22] <mathieu__> Pozac: can you point me out where to update in synaptic ? :)
[04:22] <miausX> anir, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:23] <Pozac> mathieu__: The leftmost button in the toolbar gets a list of new software
[04:23] <Pozac> mathieu__: Then there's a "Mark all upgrades"-button and an "Apply"-button
[04:24] <anir> u got it miausx
[04:24] <miausX> anir, :D
[04:24] <mathieu__> Pozac: i did the left most button (Reload) , than i click mark all, but the apply button is gray and i cant click
[04:24] <mathieu__> ?
[04:24] <daniels> viktor_: yeah, xorg 6.8.1-1ubuntu6 is fine
[04:25] <miausX> Pozac, how is hoary? can I use it as a desktop?
[04:25] <Pozac> miausX: No, X is broken. :) But in 2 hours you can, no mono apps though.
[04:25] <miausX> oh no problem... :D
[04:25] <mathieu__> i think i update it yesterday without knowing it :) i install wine, so maybe i did an update at same time
[04:25] <Pozac> miausX: Overall the stability is on par or better than gentoo ~x86.
[04:25] <mathieu__> :)
[04:26] <miausX> Pozac, are there many problems?
[04:26] <Pozac> mathieu__: seems that you did :)
[04:26] <miausX> O.o WOW!!!
[04:26] <Pozac> miausX: no
[04:26] <njs12345> does anyone here have gdesklets working under hoary?
[04:26] <mathieu__> ok, :) great
[04:26] <Pozac> miausX: This X thing is my first problem.
[04:26] <miausX> :O
[04:26] <miausX> oh my god.... upgrading in two hours :D
[04:26] <miausX> Pozac, thanks, it rocks :D
[04:27] <Pozac> mathieu__: Then you should be good to go. In the development edition, which will be released in April, the FAM has been replaced.
[04:28] <mathieu__> ok, fam ?
[04:28] <mathieu__> :)
[04:28] <Pozac> mathieu__: You can use sudo /etc/init.d/fam restart
[04:28] <njs12345> Pozac: yeah, by gamin, right?
[04:28] <Pozac> mathieu__: to restart fam, so it releases your floppy.
[04:28] <Pozac> njs12345: yeah
[04:29] <scizzo> if anyone is interested gimp 2.2.0 is out
[04:29] <Pozac> njs12345: And it's called famd instead of fam.
[04:29] <mathieu__> ok, thanks pozac
[04:29] <mathieu__> what is FAM ?
[04:29] <njs12345> (F)ile (A)lteration (M)onitor
[04:29] <anir> where will i find 'libid3tad0'??
[04:30] <Pozac> mathieu__: It's the File Alteration Monitor, which notifies the File Manager when files have changed
[04:30] <njs12345> basically, lets programs know when a file has been changed or renamed et
[04:30] <anir> 'libid3tag0'
[04:30] <mathieu__> ok
[04:30] <Mabus> daniels: how long does it take for the upload to propagate to the server ?
[04:30] <miausX> Mabus, two hours?
[04:30] <Pozac> mathieu__: It is only supposed to be running when you have windows open, but sometimes it gets confused.
[04:30] <anir> hi denials where will i find 'libid3tag0'?
[04:30] <Pozac> miausX: Maybe we're down to an hour and a half
[04:31] <mathieu__> ok,
[04:31] <mathieu__> ill try to find out a bit more about this, ill re-mount the drive, open and close windows, try to find if still confused
[04:31] <colin_> I upgraded X in hoary and it's fubar
[04:31] <daniels> Mabus: i uploaded it a while ago, now it has to be noticed by the build daemons, built, and then mirrored to the public archive.  the process usually takes about 2h from start to finish -- there's a bit less than that now.
[04:31] <daniels> colin_: known issue, fix uploaded.
[04:31] <marsjays> anyone got WPA working? having some problems..
[04:31] <daniels> anir: just sudo apt-get install libid3tag0
[04:31] <colin_> daniels: roger
[04:31] <colin_> ty
[04:31] <Pozac> anir: apt-cache search libid3
[04:32] <Pozac> anir: Try that.
[04:32] <Pozac> how
[04:32] <Pozac> ow
[04:32] <Mabus> daniels: thanks alot. I'm looking forward to seeing if your holy smashing of the server affects start time or not :)
[04:33] <daniels> Mabus: a combination of making gdm start earlier plus the part of the 'holy smashing' that I've uploaded, plus another part of that to come yet, plus the cupsys work, plus ...
[04:33] <Mabus> ooo, I can't wait.
[04:33] <daniels> i still have gdm to upload, but that's going to wait until after the new year (my holidays apparently started two days ago)
[04:33] <Mabus> to bad 2.6.10-rc3-mm1 didn't work here, since it had the readahead stuff as well.
[04:34] <Mabus> hehe
[04:35] <miausX> lol
[04:35] <Pozac> Next up, Gnome startup.
[04:35] <Pozac> Any takers?
[04:35] <Pozac> It needs to be a lot faster.
[04:35] <cef> daniels: did you break xorg?
[04:35] <Mabus> daniels: I don't know if you're interested or not, but with 2.6.10-rc3-mm1, XOrg refused to start, saying that it couldn't lock the ~/.Xauthority file.
[04:35] <Mabus> just a general FYI.
[04:36] <daniels> cef: yeah
[04:36] <daniels> Mabus: um, weird
[04:36] <Mabus> (same .config as 2.6.10-rc2-mmX, which works)
[04:36] <cef> daniels: thought so! heh.. so when do we expect a fix?
[04:36] <daniels> Pozac: the two main issues that we profiled with gnome startup are the gtk icon cache (there's a patch in 2.6.x aiui) and just needing to do readahead for the session
[04:37] <miausX> lunch time! :D
[04:37] <daniels> cef: already uploaded, dude, get with the times :P
[04:37] <Pozac> yeah, scroll up.
[04:37] <daniels> cef: (i had *.so modules lying around from a previous install, so it worked for me)
[04:37] <Rhodan> hello all
[04:37] <cef> daniels: cool. what's the latest xorg now? (just upgrading a box from warty)
[04:37] <daniels> cef: 6.8.1-1ubuntu8, which is actually the entire 6.8.x branch
[04:38] <Pozac> daniels: I think I saw somewhere that nautilus sets a gconf value on startup, which makes gconf sync the ~/.gconf hiearchy
[04:38] <mathieu__> if i want to copy a file to a floppy, is this command correct: cp /home/mathieu/lsass.exe /dev/fd0?
[04:38] <njs12345> mathieu__: no
[04:38] <Rhodan> can anyone tell me how I can md5 check the ubuntu cd in windows ?
[04:38] <njs12345> you need to mount it first
[04:38] <Pozac> mathieu__: To the mount point :)
[04:38] <mathieu__> lol, ok
[04:38] <mathieu__> the device is mount
[04:38] <mathieu__> the floppy, i mean
[04:39] <cef> daniels: hrm.. I just did an update, and the repo's still say -1ubuntu7 is the latest.. doh!
[04:39] <Pozac> mathieu__: Everything is a file or folder. You mount the floppy file (which is really the floppy drive) onto the main filesystem somewhere you can find it, and access the files on it this way.
[04:39] <mathieu__> ok
[04:39] <Rhodan> anyone /
[04:39] <Pozac> mathieu__: /dev = This is where the device files are :)
[04:39] <mathieu__> ok :)
[04:40] <Pozac> Rhodan: Sorry, not me :(
[04:40] <mathieu__> yes. like, fd0 for the floppy
[04:40] <TheCan> hi. how does this work with the --added-version when builing a custom kernel? i want my new kernel to have a different version number from the old one
[04:40] <Rhodan> ok, sigh
[04:40] <umarmung> Rhodan, search for digestIT
[04:40] <cef> daniels: trying to create a dev box.. since I am actually officially on holidays, perhaps I can get some shit done *grin*
[04:40] <mathieu__> what would be the correct command for what i need
[04:40] <daniels> cef: yeah, hasn't built on the buildds yet
[04:40] <daniels> cef: heh
[04:41] <Pozac> mathieu__: I cannot remember where you mounted it. If you type 'mount' with no arguments, it will tell you what is mounted
[04:41] <Pozac> and where
[04:41] <mathieu__> ok
[04:41] <cef> daniels: cool..
[04:41] <mathieu__> ./media/floppy0
[04:42] <lexhider> daniels: are you back in oz now?
[04:42] <Pozac> mathieu__: So cp /home/mathieu/lsass.exe /media/floppy
[04:42] <daniels> lexhider: nope, not for a few days yet; i'm sitting in an internet cafe in barcelona basically babysitting x through to the archive, at which point i'll go investigate food and possibly hit the beach again
[04:42] <Rhodan> umarmung: thank you
[04:42] <mathieu__> yep
[04:42] <mathieu__> that worked
[04:42] <mathieu__> thanks  a lot again :)
[04:43] <lexhider> daniels: such is life.
[04:43] <mathieu__> thanks to all ! seeya !
[04:43] <lexhider> was there much X action at the conf?
[04:44] <cef> lexhider: well, they broke it. *grin*
[04:44] <daniels> lexhider: aside from the startup stuff, not much
[04:44] <daniels> cef: heh no, I broke it yesterday
[04:44] <cef> daniels: same thing. *grin*
[04:44] <cef> daniels: though I knew it was your fault, even without confirmation. you always break it *grin*
[04:46] <lexhider> anyone know why amd64 doesn't have lilo?
[04:48] <cef> nfi. only one thing I like about lilo over grub.. when you actually update kernel images, it tells you if it can't find all the bits for them
[04:49] <JohnnyBGood> lo all
[04:50] <lexhider> what's nfi stand for?
[04:50] <JohnnyBGood> no f#cking idea
[04:50] <cef> no f...... idea
[04:50] <lexhider> ok
[04:50] <JohnnyBGood> :)
[04:50] <lexhider> a bit like SFA
[04:51] <JohnnyBGood> I would assume so.... if I knew what SFA was
[04:51] <cef> sweet f... all
[04:52] <JohnnyBGood> aaah
[04:52] <JohnnyBGood> ta cef
[04:52] <JohnnyBGood> not quite tho, one is an answer, and one is a statement
[04:52] <JohnnyBGood> close enough for me to stop being a pedantic pain in the arse
[04:52] <lexhider> I installed amd64 on my brothers new machine and we couldn't get grub to boot the XP partition, I thought I'd give lilo a spin but I couldn't find it.
[04:56] <Rhodan> can anyone please help with a problem I'm having trying to install ubuntu ?
[04:56] <Pozac> cef: So you prefer grubs wicked device naming scheme? :)
[04:56] <Rhodan> the problem is exactly the same as this, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8361
[04:57] <Rhodan> any idea's ?
[04:58] <Mabus> Rhodan: is that 2.6 ? I know I had the same problem once.
[04:58] <lexhider> not off the top of my head.
[04:58] <Mabus> bah, can't remember what I did to solve it.
[04:59] <Rhodan> yes 2.6
[04:59] <scoon> anyone here notice that samba can't be restarted after security fix
[04:59] <Rhodan> if I install it in VMWARE, it works fine
[04:59] <zenwhen> thats odd
[04:59] <Rhodan> so I know it's not the cd/drive
[04:59] <Mabus> Rhodan:  do you have a floppy drive ?
[04:59] <Rhodan> yup
[04:59] <Mabus> hmm
[04:59] <zenwhen> I am ON ubuntu with a P4 system and am currently installing it on my P3 server.
[05:01] <gpled> Rhodan: does you ubuntu install, but die when asked to update from the internet?
[05:01] <Rhodan> no, this is right at the beginning of the install, when it's installing the base system and it gets to the kernel part
[05:01] <Rhodan> I've just installed it no problem in VMWARE with the same cd
[05:02] <gpled> this 4.10?
[05:02] <Rhodan> yes
[05:02] <Mabus> I'd try installing in expert mode
[05:02] <Mabus> and then just disable all the modules you don't need to load
[05:02] <Mabus> I think that's what I did, and it worked.
[05:02] <Rhodan> but I'm not an expert =)
[05:02] <Mabus> become one
[05:03] <Mabus> ;)
[05:03] <Pozac> Fake being one.
[05:03] <Rhodan> wish I could
[05:03] <Pozac> Get a MSCE while you are at it.
[05:03] <Pozac> :)
[05:03] <scoon> anyone care to fake some samba help ?
[05:03] <JohnnyBGood> MCSE if I may be a pain in the arse
[05:03] <Rhodan> lol
[05:04] <Pozac> scoon: I'll fake.
[05:04] <gpled> A+ looks nice too
[05:04] <scoon> Pozac, thanks
[05:04] <Pozac> scoon: All my samba daemons have just been restarted?
[05:04] <JohnnyBGood> fake it... chicks do it all the time
[05:04] <Pozac> In hoary.
[05:04] <gpled> lol
[05:04] <scoon> Pozac, after updating warty's samba, i can't restart the daemon
[05:05] <scoon> Pozac, the only way it works is by a restart.  I know it is a problem w/ the init.d
[05:05] <scoon> Pozac, but want to see if anyone else has this problem.
[05:05] <Pozac> scoon: I really can't fake any further. :(
[05:05] <scoon> Pozac, damn
[05:05] <scoon> Pozac, but you could test something out for me.
[05:05] <JohnnyBGood> lol
[05:05] <scoon> Pozac, are you running samba now ?
[05:05] <Pozac> yeah
[05:06] <Pozac> hoary's
[05:06] <scoon> Pozac, can you smbclient into your share ?
[05:06] <odo> I'm at my friend's place...I got him to install ubuntu...yay :)
[05:06] <Pozac> scoon: yep
[05:06] <scoon> Pozac, now do a /etc/init.d/samba restart and try smbclient again
[05:06] <scoon> Pozac, does it still work ?
[05:07] <Pozac> scoon: Yes
[05:07] <Pozac> odo: Sweet.
[05:07] <scoon> Pozac, might be time to seek out a bug then for this.
[05:07] <scoon> Pozac, thx
[05:07] <lexhider> g/night.
[05:07] <Pozac> scoon: np
[05:08] <scoon> Pozac, unless of course you faked all of those samba requests.
[05:08] <Pozac> lol
[05:08] <scoon> Pozac, then i will send my midnite army of pimp midgets out to get you.
[05:08] <scoon> bitch
[05:08] <scoon> >:)
[05:08] <Pozac> ow
[05:08] <gir_> Hi, I was wondering about a html design program for ubuntu that my mother could use, has to be easy, any suggestions?
[05:08] <Pozac> that hurt, man
[05:09] <gpled> Rhodan: only thing i can think of: open the box and make sure no one has the ide drives in strange.  i found one box that had the hd hooked to a pci-ide card.
[05:09] <scoon> Pozac, nice, nice.
[05:09] <Pozac> You know I wouldn't be faking no samba requests.
[05:09] <scoon> Pozac, just needed to flex my intent.  that's all.
[05:09] <Rhodan> gpled: it's a sata drive
[05:09] <scoon> Pozac, i know how peeps get about their samba
[05:09] <gpled> Rhodan: can you put an ide master drive in?
[05:10] <Pozac> scoon: My samba is my life.
[05:10] <Pozac> ok, that was a bit fake.
[05:10] <Rhodan> nope don't have one
[05:10] <scoon> Pozac, doh.  that is no good.  run don't walk to the nearest liquor store and quit now.
[05:10] <Rhodan> just a sata drive with windows xp on
[05:10] <scoon> Pozac, if that is the case just give up.
[05:10] <scoon> :)
[05:11] <gpled> Rhodan: do you have an ide controler on the motherboard?
[05:11] <Pozac> Never give up; Never surrender.
[05:11] <Rhodan> gpled: yes
[05:11] <scoon> Pozac, quitters always win
[05:11] <Pozac> scoon: Yeah well, then I'm a born loser.
[05:11] <scoon> Pozac, look up at down and know that is the best it will be.
[05:11] <Pozac> lol
[05:12] <Pozac> Now I'm just confused.
[05:12] <gpled> Rhodan: i would almost bet that is what is going on.  whish you where near me. i would give you a drive to test
[05:12] <gpled> Rhodan: is their a LUG near you?
[05:12] <scoon> Pozac, me too.  let's just give up here
[05:12] <scoon> Pozac, thanks for the help........
[05:12] <Pozac> scoon: help?
[05:12] <Pozac> hehe
[05:13] <Rhodan> gpled: nope
[05:13] <scoon> :|
[05:13] <Pozac> gpled: Maybe he needs kernel options?
[05:13] <Rhodan> why would it be the drive, if it's having a problem with copying the kernel over ?
[05:13] <Pozac> So that the right driver gets loaded
[05:14] <Rhodan> thats like at 80% of the install
[05:14] <njs12345> gir_: Mozilla Composer?
[05:14] <Pozac> Damn memory, but I can't remember which modules, one is ide only and one is ide+sata
[05:14] <gir_> composer? I'll take a look. I was thinking dreamweaver type prog for linux
[05:14] <gir_> thanks
[05:14] <Pozac> I'll just go eat some marzipan
[05:15] <njs12345> oh right
[05:15] <njs12345> perhaps Nvu then
[05:15] <Pozac> Bye all, thanks for the help, I'll be back.
[05:15] <njs12345> although I'd point her at http://alistapart.com and tell her to handcode ;)
[05:15] <gpled> Rhodan: like Pozac is saying.  if you can pass a kernel option, you might get it going.
[05:15] <Rhodan> gpled: Ok, any idea's what I can try ?
[05:16] <gpled> Rhodan: my bet is if you put an ide drive in, and installed to that, it would work.
[05:17] <Rhodan> gpled: I think so too, as it installed fine in vmare, but that does not solve my SATA problem which is the drive I have and want to use
[05:17] <gpled> does anyone know, if the kernel has setting for sata drives in it?
[05:18] <gpled> Rhodan: i hear you.  SATA drives are the new things out, and are not going away.  was wondering, did they give you a shielded sata cable with that?
[05:19] <Rhodan> gpled: yup
[05:20] <gir_> does anyone know a program that can handle M$ Publisher files?
[05:20] <gpled> Rhodan: good to see manufatures finally doing that.
[05:22] <gpled> how can i tell what dns servers, a dsl modem is telling ubuntu, when making a dhcp request?
[05:23] <njs12345> gir_: No, but Scribus is better than Publisher in terms of functionality
[05:23] <njs12345> http://www.scribus.org.uk/index.php
[05:24] <gpled> the dsl/dhcp modem is using dynamic to get dns.  i know what the dns for isp is.  but i keep getting <IP_ADDRESS> for dns.
[05:24] <gpled> dns server
[05:24] <gir_> njs12345: I've got that and it seems pretty good but we have some older mms pub files from the windows days that need to be opened
[05:24] <loststryk> .0.1 is your router
[05:24] <loststryk> what is your isp ?
[05:25] <gpled> that is the ip of the dsl modem.  if i hand edit /etc/resolv.conf to the correct values (take out <IP_ADDRESS>) life is good.
[05:25] <gpled> isp is qwest. dsl modem is actiontec
[05:25] <loststryk> ask qwest for the correct dns servers
[05:25] <gpled> have that
[05:25] <loststryk> :)
[05:25] <gir_> mjs12345: i have access to mac osx and ubuntu linux but no windows
[05:26] <njs12345> oh right, I dunno then - I did some searching but couldn't find anything
[05:26] <Amaranth> any luck with xorg today with hoary?
[05:26] <gpled> if i reboot (re-request dhcp) my /etc/resolv.conf ends up with the <IP_ADDRESS> back in, which i then have to take out.
[05:27] <gir_> njs12345: thanks anyway, i think i'll try to save them as another file format if i can get to a windows box
[05:27] <njs12345> Office 2004 for Mac might be able to open them
[05:27] <Amaranth> gpled: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script
[05:27] <Amaranth> replace the contents of the make_resolv_conf() function with echo "Nothing to do for resolv.conf"
[05:32] <king_arthur> hi there! i was just looking for somebody who has installed ndiswrapper recently
[05:33] <gir_> njs12345: that's a good idea i'll try that now
[05:34] <king_arthur> I have downloaded the .deb for it but I am left without internet connection during installation does it need any other packages to satisfy dependencies?
[05:34] <king_arthur> would be nice if somebody has done this before
[05:34] <diego> daniels, assuming your nick is the same as the man of the forums, my happiness is in your hands. /me bows.
[05:34] <king_arthur> and could advice
[05:35] <Amaranth> anyone figure out a solution to the xorg issues with hoary?
[05:36] <diego> Amaranth uses ubuntu? 1337
[05:36] <Amaranth> diego: since it got slashdotted :)
[05:36] <diego> Amaranth, 'daniels' of the forums claims to have broken it and is actively fixing it
[05:36] <diego> according to the forum thread about this
[05:37] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:37] <Amaranth> i know he broke it :P
[05:37] <Amaranth> i was wondering if anyone had a fix or a workaround that isn't installing xfree86
[05:38] <diego> one person suggested installing an older xorg .deb from your previously downloaded files
[05:38] <diego> another guy suggested compiling xorg, roofle
[05:39] <diego> i can't wait to play tuxracer again!!!!!!!!
[05:39] <speel> lol
[05:40] <Amaranth> yeah, i'm downgrading to ubuntu6
[05:41] <bruceh> ok, I got ubuntu installed last night, and it downloaded all the updates during the install process. Now that it boots into gnome, it claims there is not a network device available. What gives?
[05:42] <diego> bruceh: what devices does 'ifconfig' list?
[05:42] <bruceh> nothing, not even loopback
[05:44] <diego> odd...are your nic modules loaded?
[05:45] <gpled> Amaranth: how did you know about the dhclient-script?  did you have the samething happen to you?
[05:45] <Amaranth> gpled: Yeah, my qwest service with an actiontec modem happened to me. :P
[05:45] <bruceh> diego, hmm... lsmod does not show anything that looks like a nic module, so no.
[05:45] <gpled> Amaranth: did quest have a clue?
[05:45] <bruceh> what module should I be loading?
[05:45] <Amaranth> didn't call them
[05:46] <Amaranth> they would have told me to reboot the modem :P
[05:46] <diego> bruceh: the module depends on your NIC. google is your friend and i'm not - i gotta shower
[05:46] <Amaranth> and to do things to windows
[05:46] <diego> bye all
[05:46] <bruceh> ok, thanks...
[05:46] <strat50s> hi
[05:46] <Amaranth> i setup the modem in windows then installed linux :)
[05:46] <strat50s> mmm just let me ask you a question
[05:47] <diego> strat50s, NO
[05:47] <strat50s> I've installed ubuntu packages for X.org on my iBook G4... and well they installed ok
[05:47] <strat50s> :D
[05:47] <strat50s> why not diego? ;)
[05:47] <gpled> Amaranth: knoppix does note seem to have trouble with it.  When I have some time, i am going to try and figure out what they are doing diffrent.
[05:47] <strat50s> well I carry on
[05:47] <strat50s> the installed great and xcompmgr works great with its shadows
[05:48] <strat50s> but when i use transset on any window, it moves painfully slow
[05:48] <strat50s> I have a 32 MB ATI Mobility Radeon 9200...
[05:48] <strat50s> and... G4 is at 933 Mhz so... I think the problem is not the machine...
[05:48] <strat50s> I think it's about configuration
[05:49] <strat50s> does anybody have had the same problem?
[05:50] <strat50s> no clue?
[05:51] <gpled> wow, starting to see a lot of G4s out there.  is everyone buying these off of ebay?
[05:51] <strat50s> mmm I bought it directly from Apple Store gpled
[05:51] <strat50s> a year ago...
[06:04] <davyd> hey all
[06:04] <davyd> is anyone else noticing missing schema for some things in GNOME?
[06:04] <davyd> like gnome-applets?
[06:05] <seb128> davyd: no
[06:05] <murf> how can i install kde on ubuntu? apt-get -s install kde show me that it is not available ... i have update warty main and restricted
[06:05] <njs12345> hey davyd
[06:05] <davyd> seb128: hmm, so it's just me then...
[06:05] <seb128> yes
[06:05] <davyd> this is not so crash hot
[06:05] <njs12345> missing schema? how do you mean?
[06:05] <Riddell> murf: try kde-core
[06:06] <murf> Riddell: it reports couldn't find package
[06:06] <murf> does anybody here use kde instead of gnome ?
[06:06] <seb128> davyd: which schemas are broken ?
[06:07] <Tr1ed> How can i set my internet configuration if my ip is never the same?
[06:07] <davyd> seb128: well some gnome-applets by the looks of things...
[06:07] <davyd> perhaps others...
[06:07] <seb128> davyd: ie ?
[06:07] <davyd> mini-commander
[06:07] <thenuke> have anyone used ubuntu with 64megs of ram
[06:07] <seb128> davyd: give me one example so I can check here
[06:07] <Riddell> murf: have you added universe?
[06:08] <seb128> /usr/share/gconf/schemas/mini-commander.schemas and /usr/share/gconf/schemas/mini-commander-global.schemas are here
[06:08] <murf> Riddell: no ... only warty, main and restricted
[06:08] <seb128> $ grep commander /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-applets-data.postinst         SCHEMA_FILES="battstat.schemas charpick.schemas cpufreq-applet.schemas drivemount.schemas geyes.schemas gkb.schemas gswitchit.schemas gtik.schemas gweather.schemas mini-commander-global.schemas mini-commander.schemas mixer.schemas modemlights.schemas multiload.schemas stickynotes.schemas "
[06:08] <seb128> davyd: looks ok
[06:08] <davyd> seb128: see I don't have -global.schemas
[06:08] <davyd> and the files are there
[06:08] <davyd> they just don't seem to be doing anything effectual
[06:09] <seb128> davyd: ie ?
[06:09] <davyd> well I have schema files, but if I browse in gconf-editor I see a lot of <no values>
[06:09] <seb128> davyd: dpkg -L gnome-applets-data | grep commander ?
[06:09] <murf> Riddell: oh it seems thats the problem
[06:09] <murf> Riddell: Ubuntu probably dont officialy support kde
[06:09] <seb128> davyd: hum ... dpkg -l gnome-applets-data ?
[06:10] <murf> Riddell: dont -> doesnt
[06:10] <davyd> hmm, it says they're installed in /usr/share/gconf/schemas
[06:10] <davyd> so what is in /etc/gconf/schemas then?
[06:10] <seb128> davyd: I've /apps/mini-commander/macro_commands and /apps/mini-commander/macro_patterns in gconf
[06:11] <seb128> davyd: /etc/gconf is the old location, we are moving to /usr/share/gconf
[06:11] <davyd> seb128: see, I don't have that location... but I should
[06:11] <davyd> I wrote the code ;)
[06:11] <seb128> davyd: but since files in /etc are conffiles we don't remove them (an admin could have changed them)
[06:12] <seb128> davyd: dpkg -l gnome-applets-data ?
[06:12] <davyd> iU ?
[06:12] <Haukkari> Hello
[06:13] <seb128> look on the first lines
[06:13] <Haukkari> Does anyone know why apt-get says Get *blahblahpackagename*: Err http://mirrorname/packagename Error reading from server blahblah connection reset by peer
[06:13] <seb128> i = installed
[06:13] <Haukkari> The server is archive.ubuntu.com
[06:13] <njs12345> iU is unpacked
[06:13] <njs12345> well
[06:13] <Haukkari> I'm trying to install Gnome
[06:13] <njs12345> U is unpacked
[06:13] <seb128> U = Unpacked
[06:14] <seb128> davyd: the package is not correctly installed
[06:14] <seb128> davyd: apt-get -f install
[06:14] <davyd> aah
[06:14] <davyd> yay for obscure dpkg flags
[06:15] <Haukkari> :/
[06:15] <Tr1ed> Hey, i am on DSL, and i'd try to set my internet configuration, but i cannot. my ip changes everytime i reboot and i'd like some help plz.
[06:15] <rturner> looks like the new hoary xorg packages are avail
[06:15] <Haukkari> Any idea why archive.ubuntu.com is giving me a "Connection reset by peer" when I try to install gnome via apt?
[06:15] <rturner> looks like the new hoary xorg packages are avail
[06:15] <Haukkari> Is it broken?
[06:16] <gpled> Haukkari: who is your isp, and what modem do you have?
[06:16] <Haukkari> gpled: my ISP is OPOY (Oulu Telephone Company) and I have a Cisco LRE bridge box. I use PPPoE from my desktop to connect to the internet.
[06:16] <seb128> davyd: the lettre are explained on the first line when you dpkg -l
[06:17] <davyd> seb128: so I see, doesn't mean I've ever noticed them ever
[06:17] <davyd> not until you mentioned them in fact
[06:17] <davyd> curse my human brain
[06:17] <gpled> Haukkari: cat /etc/resolv.conf, and make sure it does not have your modem ip address in it, for nameserver. should have your isp's nameservers.
[06:17] <Haukkari> gpled: ah
[06:18] <txepox> buenas... alguien me puede ayudar a instalar la tarjeta de audio (atiixp en un porttil)?
[06:18] <Haukkari> gpled: nope, didn't help
[06:18] <Haukkari> gpled: it already had right nameservers
[06:18] <Haukkari> gpled: :/
[06:19] <Haukkari> gpled: and apt did get a few packages.. about half of the gnome packages
[06:19] <seb128> davyd: you probably had a dist-upgraded which stopped due to some bug (probably an overwrite in the massive python updates)
[06:19] <seb128> davyd: and the "config" phase has not been runned
[06:19] <Haukkari> Any known problems with the archive.ubuntu.com mirrors right now?
[06:19] <davyd> seb128: I seem to recall seeing that, yes
[06:19] <gpled> Haukkari: i suspect something is going on with the server
[06:19] <davyd> seb128: it all becomes clear now
[06:19] <seb128> :)
[06:20] <gpled> Haukkari: i had an install keep baling on the xwindow part
[06:20] <scizzo> is xorg fixed in hoary now? if anyone knows?
[06:20] <davyd> also, cutest bug ever, try having two people logged into gdm
[06:20] <davyd> and insert an audio CD
[06:20] <Haukkari> gpled: aha. The server doesn't have the packages apt-get update told it
[06:20] <gpled> Haukkari: then out of the blue it worked. on install 5 or so.
[06:20] <seb128> davyd: next time just run apt-get -f install when you get a such problem
[06:20] <davyd> and then wonder where on earth the music is coming from
[06:20] <seb128> ah ah
[06:20] <Haukkari> gpled: the developers are apparently screwing something up
[06:20] <gpled> Haukkari: is this for 4.10?
[06:21] <njs12345> davyd: I had something like that under windows.. I was in the middle of a game of Counter-Strike and all of a sudden music started playing :D
[06:21] <Haukkari> gpled: yep
[06:21] <Haukkari> gpled: maybe I should try Hoary
[06:21] <njs12345> hmm
[06:21] <njs12345> which packages are the standard C library manpages in?
[06:21] <Haukkari> Are there any developers on this channel?
[06:22] <gpled> Haukkari: i feel your pain.  i had the additional problem of my modem telling ubuntu it was a nameserver.
[06:22] <odo> Haukkari: maybe first try other mirror? :)
[06:22] <Haukkari> odo: ...
[06:22] <Haukkari> odo: well, maaaayyybe
[06:22] <davyd> gpled: perhaps your modem is a nameserver?
[06:22] <Haukkari> odo: but that would be too easy, now wouldn't it?
[06:22] <odo> sure
[06:22] <davyd> usually they pass useful things via DHCP
[06:22] <Haukkari> odo: where can I get a list of mirrors?
[06:23] <davyd> the only time I've ever had anything majorly broken was modems trying to pass non-routable default routes, although thankfully I don't think you get those kind of problems any more
[06:23] <odo> This works...haukkari is sitting next to me and we communicate via irc
[06:24] <gpled> davyd: all i know, is that when my <IP_ADDRESS> shows up in /etc/resolv.conf, i can not use a web browser. can ping and dig, but will not browse the internet.
[06:24] <njs12345> my worst ubuntu problem was my ati card, but that's a crappy POS anyway, so I don't really blame ubuntu
[06:24] <davyd> gpled: hmm, sounds like some magic proxy server crack
[06:25] <davyd> perhaps your modem is getting name info from the root servers via anycast
[06:25] <njs12345> all the other problems I've brought onto myself by upgrading to hoary
[06:25] <davyd> whereas in your browser you're using a proxy whose name is only exported internally via your ISPs DNS
[06:25] <gpled> davyd: the modem says the nameservers are 205.1712.65.  i know they are <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:26] <Haukkari> boohoo
[06:26] <Haukkari> Damn you, ubuntu
[06:26] <JDahl> is gnome in hoary broken? I can only start X in failsafe terminal mode, and .xsession-errors gives me this: "Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1"
[06:26] <gpled> davyd: lynx does it too
[06:26] <davyd> gpled: do you have a proxy set in your environment?
[06:26] <Haukkari> JDahl: even warty seems borken
[06:27] <davyd> gpled: since that sounds broken
[06:27] <gpled> davyd: nope. and if i use another isp/modem/dsl, i have no trouble
[06:27] <davyd> in that ISP-broken sort of way
[06:27] <JDahl> Haukkari, is that confirmed by other people also?
[06:27] <gpled> davyd: think the isp is trying to save ip address
[06:27] <Haukkari> JDahl: well, warty mirror is broken
[06:28] <gpled> and doing some kind of bridge/magic
[06:28] <Haukkari> JDahl: it doesn't need to be confirmed by other people. Package.list says something is there and I checked with links: those packages are not there
[06:28] <gpled> strange thing, is knoppix has no trouble with this.
[06:28] <davyd> I'm not sure what sort of weird bridgy shit you could do that would break something like that
[06:29] <gpled> it is almost as if http is using its own resolver.  a diffrent one then ping and dig use.
[06:29] <davyd> personally I think we should have just let IBM have it's way, the entire internet should have been one big layer 2
[06:29] <davyd> that would have been so nice...
[06:30] <gpled> the work around is to set nameservers, and tell ubuntu/dhcp, hands off the /etc/recolv.conf file
[06:30] <karlos> hi all
[06:30] <vafnord> hi
[06:30] <karlos> ive buggered me gaim up
[06:30] <davyd> gpled: still, sounds whacky
[06:31] <karlos> i tried to install the latest version
[06:31] <superted> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3804&highlight=bluefish <- how does one open or save the files in bluefish like this dude can
[06:31] <karlos> now it complains about ssl libraryies
[06:31] <vafnord> while messing around with gnome keyboard shortcuts, i have totally disabled
[06:31] <davyd> it really sounds like your modem is anycasting, but I can't think of a way to prove that
[06:31] <gpled> davyd: was tough to figure out what was going on. i would setup a computer at my house, take it to a friends house, and tell him, it was working realy, i saw it :)
[06:32] <vafnord> my "c" key
[06:32] <davyd> gpled: what sort of modem what it out of interest?
[06:32] <gpled> davyd: i thought ubuntu was hanging on to my route setting some how
[06:32] <gpled> actiontec
[06:32] <gpled> qwest
[06:32] <davyd> hmm, never heard of it
[06:33] <gpled> i have a diffrent isp/modem.  i have no trouble
[06:33] <davyd> yeah, sounds about right
[06:33] <davyd> thankfully non of the ISPs here do anything weird really nowadays
[06:33] <gpled> even apt-get can use the modem. just not any web browsers.
[06:33] <davyd> except for Telstra Cable with it's 'heart beat'
[06:34] <davyd> the weirdest authentication method ever
[06:34] <gpled> smells of the msn isp days.
[06:34] <davyd> basically, you plug in a cable modem, and you can dhcp an IP on it
[06:34] <intinig> I got my guy back :)
[06:34] <vafnord> does anyone know where gnome keyboard shortcuts are stored?
[06:35] <davyd> or plug it into a switch, and DHCP an ip for every machine
[06:35] <davyd> but to be able to send traffic, you first need to send a UDP packet to a magic port on a magic IP
[06:35] <davyd> with your username and password
[06:35] <davyd> which activates that IP for 5 minutes
[06:35] <superted> is it difficult to downgrade to warty from hoary?
[06:35] <davyd> so you send one of these every 5 minutes
[06:35] <davyd> superted: undoubtedly
[06:35] <vafnord> I've looked in ~/.gnome ~/.gnome2 ~/.gconf and I an't find them
[06:35] <davyd> superted: it's generically hard to downgrade in debian
[06:36] <superted> davyd: :\
[06:36] <davyd> vafnord: use gconf-editor to search gconf
[06:40] <bruceh> how can I get vnc server started?
[06:41] <njs12345> davyd: I remember on #gnome yesterday you were talking about how to redefine the GNOME shortcuts
[06:41] <davyd> njs12345: sounds possible
[06:41] <njs12345> like ctrl+space goes to gnome-terminal
[06:41] <davyd> alt-space
[06:42] <njs12345> yup, that's the one
[06:42] <njs12345> how do you do that?
[06:42] <davyd> in gconf:/apps/metacity/something
[06:42] <davyd> hmm, I need to flush crap out of my system, need to restart X
[06:42] <njs12345> aha
[06:42] <davyd> bbiab
[06:43] <speel> does ubuntu have a changelog for the next release?
[06:44] <davyd> significantly less broken
[06:44] <vafnord> davyd: Thanks, but I checked there and the binding that are giving me trouble do not appear to be set
[06:45] <davyd> vafnord: what sort of binding is this?
[06:45] <vafnord> davyd: I stupidly bound "c" alone as a shortcut and now the key won't work
[06:45] <njs12345> speel: they have a roadmap sorta thing on the wiki
[06:45] <Gordan> hi, i have a question guys, there's a recent version of Alien in the Ubuntu repo?
[06:45] <davyd> vafnord: hmm, it shouldn't even let you do that
[06:46] <davyd> vafnord: where did you bind it?
[06:46] <njs12345> Gordan: I have alien installed and I don't remember installing it, I think it might be installed by default
[06:46] <Gordan> ok tnx njs
[06:46] <vafnord> davyd: In "computer -> desktop preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[06:47] <njs12345> if not then it's probably in universe or multiverse (look in /etc/apt/sources.list)
[06:47] <davyd> vafnord: and you can't click on it and press delete?
[06:47] <Gordan> fine, tnx again
[06:47] <deadshell> n1 else get their ubuntu cd already
[06:47] <vafnord> davyd: I did, and according to that dialog those bindings are gone, but the two keys still don't work
[06:47] <njs12345> deadshell: mine should be arriving soon.. but I lost my patience and d/led and burned it ages ago
[06:48] <davyd> vafnord: out of interest, have you tried logged out and back in, in case something is jammed up?
[06:48] <deadshell> me too but now i have 10 each of powerPC and x86
[06:49] <vafnord> davyd: Sure did.  Haven't tried rebooting yet.  Maybe I should try restarting the x server.
[06:49] <davyd> vafnord: yeah, I would
[06:49] <davyd> or gnome-settings-daemon
[06:49] <davyd> if that was still running, it might be choking things up
[06:49] <vafnord> Hmmmmm
[06:49] <njs12345> lol
[06:49] <vafnord> davyd: tnx for the ideas
[06:50] <njs12345> I ordered ten anyway deadshell, despite the fact that I'm the only person I know in RL who even knows what linux is
[06:51] <davyd> njs12345: you're not looking hard enough ;)
[06:51] <davyd> unless you're a hermit
[06:51] <njs12345> lol no
[06:51] <deadshell> lol njs12345  i'm not sure who would be getting these either but i can't pass up free stuff
[06:52] <njs12345> I wonder what would happen if you ordered like 10,000
[06:52] <speel> is it me or does anyone else find the wiki all disorganized
[06:52] <vafnord> davyd: Hooray!  Killing gnome-settings-daemon worked.  Thanks so much!
[06:52] <davyd> njs12345: they would be personally delivered from SPACE!
[06:52] <davyd> by non other then Mr Shuttleworth himself
[06:53] <njs12345> you wake up in the morning and one day your house is snowed in
[06:53] <njs12345> except instead of snow, it's Ubuntu CDs
[06:53] <deadshell> they came from zurich
[06:54] <njs12345> deadshell: where are you?
[06:54] <deadshell> Swiss made?
[06:54] <deadshell> njs12345,  home
[06:54] <njs12345> I mean like what country ;)
[06:54] <deadshell> njs12345,  j/k im in NJ usa
[06:54] <deadshell> aren't i funny
[06:55] <JDahl> something seems to be wrong with gnome in hoary... right now I have to work (yes, I know - dont use developer's ver for a work machine), and I need a quick fix; what lightweight window managers are the easier to install, wmaker?
[06:55] <njs12345> *cough*no*cough* :D
[06:55] <seb128> JDahl: what's broken in hoary ?
[06:55] <njs12345> davyd, you're the same davyd on p.g.o right?
[06:55] <speel> enlightment , fluxbox
[06:55] <davyd> njs12345: that'd be me, there aren't many of us ;)
[06:56] <njs12345> lol
[06:56] <njs12345> This year Stephanie and I will be giving someone a present involving free software.
[06:56] <njs12345> that's a pretty good idea
[06:56] <JDahl> seb128: I havent had time to put my finger on in... gnome freezes right after the panels come up (X is fine)
[06:56] <njs12345> the cost of one CDR, and they won't know it :D
[06:57] <davyd> njs12345: it comes with an awfully expensive digital camera ;)
[06:57] <seb128> JDahl: killall gnome-panel gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus trashapplet
[06:57] <seb128> JDahl: that's a known bug of gnome-vfs-daemon
[06:57] <njs12345> I get that a lot as well
[06:57] <davyd> my immediate family-in-law wanted to buy my father-in-law a new digital camera
[06:57] <JDahl> seb128: thanks, I will try that
[06:57] <njs12345> if that doesn't work then I just delete all the gnome conf directories
[06:57] <davyd> only they wanted to buy some nasty one
[06:57] <davyd> "because it came with photoshop"
[06:58] <davyd> I looked it up at work and discovered it was Photoshop Elements (as I expected)
[06:58] <njs12345> rm -rf ~/.gnome2 ~/.gnome ~/.gconf ~/.gnome2_private
[06:58] <davyd> so instead I ordered a Sony for pretty much the same price
[06:58] <RubenV> njs12345: that must be the worst solution ever :)
[06:58] <njs12345> RubenV: it's not that bad for me
[06:59] <AndyFitz> davyd: what are you doing awake at this hour.  arent you in perth ?
[06:59] <njs12345> I don't customize gnome that much, and the only thing I actually lose is my rhythmbox playlists (which I backed up first)
[06:59] <vafnord> Eww, sony=proprietary memory
[06:59] <njs12345> my cousin is into photography and he uses Photoshop Album
[07:00] <davyd> AndyFitz: I dunno, and yes
[07:00] <njs12345> but he's not talented with computers really..
[07:00] <AndyFitz> its harder to convince relatives gimp is a wiser choice when they want something easy to use.   things like the new f-spot concepts look promising for home users
[07:00] <speel> BAH GIMP
[07:00] <njs12345> f-spot looks cool
[07:00] <davyd> f-spot isn't bad, but is seriously alpha
[07:00] <AndyFitz> yeah not nearly stable yet
[07:00] <davyd> gthumb works better, but lacks the coolness
[07:01] <davyd> AndyFitz: aren't you in Brisbane though?
[07:01] <njs12345> I would install it and mess around (maybe even hack on it, I dunno.. even though I hate c#) but I can't get mono working
[07:01] <davyd> so it's almost the other side of the night for you
[07:01] <AndyFitz> davyd:  yeah and its 4am here
[07:01] <AndyFitz> gmt+10
[07:01] <davyd> hmm, that's right, no daylight savings in Queensland
[07:01] <davyd> stupid 5 timezone summer
[07:01] <AndyFitz> yep lol
[07:02] <RubenV> gimp ain't really for organizing pictures
[07:02] <njs12345> yeah, gimp's more like Photoshop really
[07:02] <AndyFitz> ruben: its only meant to be good at manipulating them
[07:02] <AndyFitz> gthumb is my fav but only because I owned acdSee back in days of yore when I used windows
[07:03] <njs12345> davyd: I did my first patch against gnome-applets :) (I'm Nicholas J. Skehin)
[07:03] <AndyFitz> f-spots timeline concept looks really swanky
[07:03] <davyd> njs12345: you'll have to remind me... I see a lot of patches
[07:04] <njs12345> a one-line XML patch to add Belgium to the locations list
[07:04] <RubenV> njs12345: yeah! :D
[07:04] <davyd> aah right
[07:04] <AndyFitz> be right back, changing machines
[07:04] <davyd> yeah, I've got to commit those later on
[07:05] <njs12345> I'm working on DVD blanking support for n-c-b, but that's a bit harder
[07:05] <njs12345> mainly because it actually involves writing C and it's not one line
[07:06] <davyd> heh
[07:06] <njs12345> while I was doing it though, a found a bug
[07:09] <anir> hi guys
[07:09] <anir> tell me which one is better.. LongHorn or Ubuntu
[07:09] <njs12345> lol
[07:09] <njs12345> Ubuntu, mainly because it's not vaporware
[07:09] <davyd> anir: I don't know, we still haven't seen Longhonn ;)
[07:10] <njs12345> well.. most people haven't, unless you regularly go into certain channels on efnet
[07:10] <anir> i am using a transformation pack of LongHorn on Xp davyd
[07:10] <davyd> njs12345: I have an MSDN release around somewhere that I was sent
[07:10] <anir> what is vaporware njs12345
[07:10] <Ribs> Well, Longhorn will have some nice undocumented features
[07:10] <davyd> I couldn't be bothered firing it up
[07:10] <JDahl> what seb128 suggested to fix gnome didnt help.. I install enlightenment, but I cannot choose it from gdm.. does it use xdm?
[07:11] <Ribs> and a few security holes, which is always a nice thing in a OS
[07:11] <seb128> JDahl: you use the drive applet ?
[07:11] <Ribs> but on the other side Ubuntu won't run like a compile pile of shit...
[07:11] <davyd> avalon looked coolish
[07:11] <njs12345> anir: vaporware? it's a product that hasn't showed up on the market yet
[07:11] <davyd> but we'll see if it ever ships
[07:11] <speel> we dont need to see longhorn all we know is its made by microsoft which automaticly makes it horrid
[07:11] <speel> ;)
[07:12] <anir> i was just mistaking by comparing windows with linux..
[07:12] <njs12345> it's like
[07:12] <anir> now i understand that both are different
[07:12] <davyd> speel: if you employ the best software engineers in the world, minus maybe about 10. You do come up with cool features
[07:12] <JDahl> seb128: yes... (in fact .xsession-errors gave some errors about mounting which I thought was irrelevant)
[07:12] <davyd> speel: of course, that doesn't mean it won't be horrid ;)
[07:12] <anir> what is the use of WINE
[07:12] <seb128> JDahl: oh ok, so you need to kill it too
[07:12] <anir> i am a new user of linux..switched a day back
[07:13] <SeFoKumA> re
[07:13] <njs12345> WINE lets you run windows apps under linux
[07:13] <Ribs> anir: see www.winehq.com
[07:13] <njs12345> but only some
[07:13] <njs12345> and rarely perfectly
[07:13] <seb128> JDahl: you are loosing a ton of time, the GNOME pb is solved in 10s
[07:13] <Ribs> ... yet :)
[07:13] <seb128> JDahl: just killall what I said before and add drive_... (don't remember the name exactly, look on ps)
[07:13] <anir> yea but i am just not so happy with the limited software of linux..
[07:14] <speel> limited?
[07:14] <njs12345> anir: it's not limited - you just need to look hard
[07:14] <anir> i mean compitable
[07:14] <njs12345> except with games maybe.. that's why I keep xp around
[07:14] <speel> anir have you used synaptic?
[07:14] <anir> now i want to play mpeg4 files... what should i use?
[07:14] <anir> yes speel..
[07:14] <njs12345> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:14] <Bandit> whats synaptic
[07:15] <anir> thats what .. restricted ..
[07:15] <njs12345> a GUI tool to apt, Debian/Ubuntu's package manager
[07:15] <JDahl> seb128: nothing matches ps -ef | grep drive
[07:15] <speel> anir: http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/
[07:15] <njs12345> they're not allowed to ship the video players/etc because it violates patents and such
[07:15] <anir> speel what is that?
[07:15] <seb128> JDahl: GNOME is started ?
[07:16] <JDahl> seb128: no.. should it be?
[07:16] <speel> the starter guide to help you setup whatcha need
[07:16] <seb128> yes
[07:16] <seb128> JDahl: start GNOME as usual
[07:16] <seb128> if it hangs just do the kill in a console
[07:16] <anir> speel i dont know much about kernels ..can i use linux?
[07:16] <JDahl> seb128: bingo... you have a pretty solid gnome knowledge.. developer?
[07:17] <seb128> JDahl: yep
[07:17] <anir> i am not been able to load xawtv on  my system speel
[07:17] <JDahl> anyway... thanks a lot - now I can work (and leave the hell of console mode irc behind me)
[07:18] <seb128> np
[07:18] <speel> you need the codecs i belive
[07:18] <anir> yea the codes
[07:18] <anir> i dont know how to use them
[07:18] <njs12345> seb128: Debian and GNOME right? :D
[07:18] <speel> that site i sent you can help you with whatcha need plus more
[07:21] <seb128> njs12345: yep
[07:21] <njs12345>  /whois works wonder
[07:21] <njs12345> *wonders
[07:23] <Hikaru79> Man, I love Ubuntu
[07:23] <nakee> what version of kde comes with Ubuntu?
[07:23] <anir> ha ha.. i loved it too... still i do. but i have some problem with it
[07:23] <Haukkari> Anyone still had any problems with apt-get tonight?
[07:24] <Riddell> nakee: warty has KDE 3.2, hoary mostly has 3.3
[07:24] <Haukkari> My apt-get won't find the right packages
[07:24] <Hikaru79> anir, what problems? :(
[07:24] <Haukkari> And therefore can't install almost anything... some packages it does find but, well. It won't install those if it can't download all the dependencies. :(
[07:24] <siretart> could somebody help me to debug gnome? after my partial upgrade gnome-panel does not seem to be started at all: metacity seems to run, but I dont see background or menu panel
[07:24] <nakee> Riddell: thanks:)
[07:24] <anir> i cant play mpeg4 files
[07:25] <seb128> siretart: start GNOME and then killall gnome-panel gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus trashapplet in a console
[07:25] <Haukkari> Why doesn't the damn apt work?! Any developers around?
[07:26] <Riddell> Haukkari: what doesn't work about it?
[07:26] <siretart> seb128: ok, and now?
[07:27] <davyd> anir: there is information about that in the wiki
[07:27] <Haukkari> Riddell: well, when I type apt-get install gnome... I get this:
[07:27] <Haukkari> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main portmap 5-4ubuntu5 [22.4kB]
[07:27] <Haukkari> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main portmap 5-4ubuntu5
[07:27] <Haukkari>   Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)
[07:27] <Haukkari> Riddell: and I did apt-get update 10 seconds ago
[07:27] <davyd> anir: you're not allowed to ship mpeg4 codecs without an appropriate license
[07:27] <pantz_> hi people - debian newbie here - what package do i need for the kernel source?
[07:27] <Mabus> daniels: X works fine :) However, I'm getting repeated crashes in gnome-panel now.
[07:28] <siretart> pantz_: linux-source-`uname -r`
[07:28] <Riddell> Haukkari: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list for archive.ubuntu.com ?
[07:28] <Haukkari> Riddell: lots of stuff. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted to start with
[07:28] <Haukkari> Riddell: then I have universe
[07:28] <anir> davyd .. tell me in details
[07:29] <Mabus> daniels: I'm not sure where to look for logs or anything, so if you want any details, please help me locate them.
[07:29] <davyd> anir: I don't recall the details
[07:29] <Haukkari> Riddell: both are warty, of course.
[07:29] <pantz_> siretart, when i search synaptic for linux - i don't see a linux-source-xxx package?
[07:29] <davyd> which is why they are in the wiki ;)
[07:29] <Gwildor> (hoary) i have bittorrent installed, bittorrent-gui also, but i cant use it, nothing i have tried will launch it.
[07:29] <anir> davyd i just want to play my cds but its not playing
[07:31] <Haukkari> Riddell: any ideas? :/
[07:31] <Gwildor> pAntZ, are you searching "xxx" or pluging in actual numbers?
[07:31] <pantz_> Gwildor, btdownloadcurses.py is not bad - kinda gui-ish
[07:31] <Haukkari> Maybe I should just wait until tomorrow and hope it'll be fixed by then
[07:31] <pantz_> Gwildor, just the word linux
[07:31] <Gwildor> kk
[07:31] <Gwildor> :)
[07:31] <siretart> pantz_: I see a linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[07:31] <davyd> anir: try the application goobox
[07:32] <anir> goobox..
[07:32] <anir> cool
[07:32] <Riddell> Haukkari: are you using a proxy?
[07:32] <Haukkari> Riddell: not that I know of. :)
[07:32] <seb128> siretart: should, work ... it doesn't ?
[07:33] <Haukkari> Riddell: and I did get some packages from there
[07:33] <siretart> seb128: nope, I see a mouse curser, and my gnome-terminal. nothing more
[07:33] <anir> davyd how can i install it?
[07:33] <Haukkari> Riddell: the packages apt tried to get and failed aren't there according to links. So packages.list is broken or something very weird is going on.
[07:33] <seb128> siretart: do you use the drive applet ?
[07:33] <pantz_> siretart, i haven't updated from the base install kernel yet - have to wait until my bandwidth is reset tomorrow or i will have to pay - could it be that the source for that kernel is not in the repo?
[07:33] <crimsun> Amaranth: / scizzo: X.Org 6.8.1-1ubuntu8 is available.
[07:33] <siretart> seb128: what is drive applet? (i suppose no)
[07:33] <Amaranth> crimsun: already using it :P
[07:33] <pantz_>  # uname -a
[07:33] <pantz_> Linux ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:33] <Riddell> Haukkari: what does "grep -r roxy /etc/apt/*" give you?
[07:34] <seb128> siretart: and applet for GNOME which has small picture of the drives to mount/umount
[07:34] <Haukkari> Riddell: nothing.
[07:34] <Haukkari> I installed Ubuntu just a few hours ago from the minicd
[07:35] <siretart> seb128: should I use it or could that be the culprit?
[07:35] <seb128> siretart: you need to killall all the stuff use gnome-vfs
[07:35] <seb128> siretart: in the gt, ps ax | grep drive ?
[07:37] <siretart> seb128: there is no drive
[07:37] <seb128> siretart: you have the panel freezing ?
[07:37] <siretart> but I think I managed it, gnome just started, but i dont now whz
[07:37] <seb128> and killall nautilus gnome-vfs-daemon gnome-applets trashapplet doesn't help ?
[07:38] <workGremlin> popey: o/
[07:38] <ACIDnet> hey all
[07:38] <popey> ola!
[07:38] <Riddell> Haukkari: I'm out of ideas I'm afraid, are other people having problems downloading portmap?
[07:38] <siretart> seb128: now the panel works. Now I'm rebooting to be sure..
[07:38] <joaquinz> hi
[07:38] <seb128> siretart: ok
[07:38] <joaquinz> could anybody get work the framebuffer in ubuntu?
[07:39] <Haukkari> Riddell: no idea. :/
[07:39] <stuNNed_> is latest xorg in unstable broken?
[07:39] <Haukkari> Riddell: it does the same with almost every other package too
[07:39] <crimsun> stuNNed_: in Hoary? No, it's fixed. 6.8.1-1ubuntu8
[07:39] <Haukkari> Riddell: only the most basic stuff seems to install... like aumix and stuff
[07:39] <crimsun> stuNNed_: -7 is broken
[07:39] <stuNNed_> crimsun: you da man thanks :D
[07:40] <joaquinz> i've tryied compiling my own 2.6.9 kernel but while booting the screen shutdowns,  but this kind of shutdowns because high resolution or frequence
[07:40] <workGremlin> popey: Are you an Ubuntu user yet?
[07:40] <anir> crimsun what do u think about slakeware
[07:40] <popey> workGremlin, no, not yet
[07:40] <crimsun> anir: it's a fine distro.
[07:40] <popey> workGremlin, I use debian exclusively
[07:41] <Haukkari> Riddell: eh
[07:41] <siretart> seb128: thanks for your help, now the beast works but I dont know what the problem was..
[07:41] <popey> (at the moment)
[07:41] <joaquinz> i dont know what to do, in my last debian sid box i had not this problem...
[07:41] <anir> is it better than ubuntu? crimsun
[07:41] <Haukkari> Riddell: when I told apt-get install portmap it installed it
[07:41] <workGremlin> I either need to try Ubuntu again, or Gentoo.
[07:41] <seb128> siretart: np
[07:41] <Haukkari> Riddell: but then apt-get install gnome had the next package, that is aalib1, to complain about
[07:41] <popey> workGremlin, yeah, I can't decide which to use either
[07:41] <crimsun> anir: you can't compare distros like that.
[07:41] <Riddell> Haukkari: very strange
[07:41] <Haukkari> Riddell: and I don't want to install 190 packages by hand. :/
[07:41] <joaquinz> does anybody have an idea?
[07:41] <anir> what is dostros crimsun?
[07:41] <ACIDnet> ive just installed ubuntu on my PC :D :D :D :D
[07:41] <crimsun> anir: you can compare _versions_ of the same distro but not different Linux distros.
[07:42] <workGremlin> popey: I dunno if Gentoo might be better for me - I'll get bored if everything works straight away, might be nicer to watch it compile and break stuff in an optimised way :)
[07:42] <anir> okay.. crimsun
[07:42] <popey> workGremlin, ricer
[07:42] <workGremlin> popey: Rice?  We're having curry?
[07:42] <anir> i mean is mandrake is better for a new user crimsun
[07:42] <joaquinz> ?
[07:42] <crimsun> joaquinz: perhaps you need to set a fb mode using gtf?
[07:43] <crimsun> anir: again, you can't compare them like that
[07:43] <ACIDnet> just out of interest, i have about 20Gb spare, and i was wondering if i could break that into 4 * 5Gb partitons and install 4 different distros on there - is it easy???  How can I mark a task to be installed in aptitude?
[07:43] <anir> crimsun i am not comparing.. i am asking which version is good for a new usercrimsun
[07:43] <billytwowilly> apt-get installl packagename
[07:44] <joaquinz> crimsun : what?
[07:44] <crimsun> anir: they're both good for a new user
[07:44] <crimsun> joaquinz: a fb modeline.
[07:44] <anir> okay..
[07:45] <joaquinz> crimsun : i've put video=vesafb,mtrr vga=792 in my grub config file
[07:45] <Xenguy> anir: Ubu is very impressive and will only get better; you should try it if you are trying different distros :-)
[07:45] <joaquinz> and then in boot my screen shutdowns... i can use the computer in X mode, but not in console mode
[07:45] <anir> okay
[07:45] <crimsun> joaquinz: it works with vga=normal, correct?
[07:46] <joaquinz> crimsun : yes
[07:46] <joaquinz> wait
[07:46] <ACIDnet> is installing other distros easy?? Will they auto be added to gurb??
[07:46] <joaquinz> vga=normal is the same to dont put vga=xxx?
[07:48] <joaquinz> ?
[07:48] <crimsun> joaquinz: yes
[07:48] <crimsun> joaquinz: did you compile vesafb in with "y"?
[07:49] <joaquinz> crimsun : obviously :)
[07:50] <crimsun> joaquinz: have you read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=279648 ?
[07:51] <Eagle101> hello everyone...can someone please please help me out...my ubuntu box wont start after i updated the system...it starts but all i see is the wallpaper and my cursor
[07:51] <joaquinz> crimsun : are you god? :)
[07:51] <crimsun> joaquinz: no, I just read before asking.
[07:52] <Xenguy> heh
[07:52] <joaquinz> crimsun : so, do i have to wait the bug resolves?
[07:52] <crimsun> joaquinz: no, you can recompile your kernel to use either of the workarounds outlined there
[07:53] <Xenguy> Eagle101: what did you update anyway?
[07:53] <Eagle101> Xenguy: apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:53] <alzen> one problem i have, ubuntu can't see partition table on my hd, it is caviar 120gb disk; arch linux has problems with it too, only mdk from these 3 distros can see partitions properly, anyone knows what can be the reason?
[07:53] <Xenguy> Eagle101: you 'upgraded' to Hoary?
[07:53] <joaquinz> crimsun : sorry , really but i didnt understand very well.. if i download again the kernel-source package, will it come with the bug-fix'
[07:54] <crimsun> joaquinz: no.
[07:54] <Eagle101> no no..i have warthy...i just wanted to update my own system
[07:54] <crimsun> joaquinz: you have to do one of the following: 1) compile vesafb as "m" and rebuild the initrd, or 2) revert the changes in modular-vesafb
[07:55] <Xenguy> Eagle101: My knowledge of Ubuntu is limited still, but I have used Debian for some years...
[07:55] <joaquinz> and how can i revert the changes in modular-vesafb? recompiling modules? (make modules)  ?
[07:55] <Amroc> lamont you here yet?
[07:56] <Eagle101> Xenguy: because now i can get to shell, but i cant even use the apt-get becasue it says that its corrupted and i have to use apt-get install -f , but stil that wont help
[07:56] <Xenguy> AFAIK, the 'apt-get dist-upgrade' command is only for moving to a new version (e.g. moving from Warty -> Hoary, or something similar)...
[07:57] <neighborlee> could someone do me a favor and try and install mplayer...I seem to have the right repositories in place but trying to install it gives me several dependency errors...( few of them are libartsc0 and libfribidi0 ) ??
[07:57] <crimsun> Xenguy: it's used anytime packages need to be added and/or removed in addition to upgraded
[07:58] <Xenguy> Eagle101: If you want to make sure your Warty install is completely up-to-date, then something like this should work -> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:58] <Eagle101> Xenguy: i think you are wrong, apt-get dist-upgrade is to update all the applications and sucn things to the latest version...doesnt have to do anything with hoary
[07:58] <ACIDnet> hmmm,  i dont like Xchat's theme - whats a good colour combie?
[07:58] <Xenguy> Eagle101: maybe I am wrong -> see what crimsun said
[07:58] <crimsun> joaquinz: no, change your kernel config to make vesafb support as a module, then recompile
[07:59] <crimsun> Xenguy: no, what you said is mostly correct.
[07:59] <crimsun> (if one is an astute user, dist-upgrade is safe for daily use)
[07:59] <Eagle101> Xenguy: i knew that apt-get update is only to upate the sources.list , and i never heard of apt-get upgrade
[08:00] <Dko> Hello could someone answer a newb question please?  Im trying to move files and folders around with the GUI (typing out commands is driving me insane.) But I don't seam to get a password so I can edit root folders/files which makes it impossible to do it thru the Gui.  What can I do?
[08:00] <Xenguy> Eagle101: so what to do now? ...
[08:00] <crimsun> Dko: FAQ. You use `sudo' with your _own_ passwd.
[08:01] <Eagle101> Xenguy: i dont know man, is there any way that i can ubuntu back on
[08:01] <joaquinz> crimsun: ok, thx u
[08:01] <Dko> I know about sudo.  But I don't wana use the command line every time. Id rather use the gui.
[08:01] <Xenguy> Eagle101: what happens if you do what I said above? (or perhaps crimsun has better advice?)
[08:02] <popey> dko "sudo nautilus"
[08:02] <Eagle101> Xenguy: you mean go back to ubuntu shell and type apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade
[08:02] <kipod> hello :) does some here knows how i can add a right click > play in xmms  option ( when the mouse is over an Mp3 folder  )
[08:03] <Eagle101> kipod: in gnome?
[08:03] <kipod> Eagle101,  yeah ^^
[08:03] <Xenguy> Eagle101: yeah, that's one idea (also be aware that on the few occasions I did 'apt-get dist-upgrade' with debian, I would sometimes need to repeat the command several times for all the dependencies to synchronize to a stable state)
[08:04] <Xenguy> Eagle101: also, if I noticed an error on a particular piece of software, I would sometimes need to uninstall that one, and re-run the dist-upgrade -- stuff like that
[08:04] <Eagle101> kipod: right click on a file, and go to some tab there(forgot which one) and choose xmms default
[08:04] <Dko> Ok thanks.  Thats doing the trick
[08:05] <Eagle101> Xenguy: o ok...but also when i went to the shell. and i tryed to install kde, it wont let me, it says that apt-get is corrupted or soemthing
[08:05] <kipod> Eagle101,  ^^ yeah  but i want to add this option for a folder
[08:05] <Xenguy> Eagle101: In that situation you do *not* want to complicate things with KDE...
[08:05] <Eagle101> kipod: only for that particular folder, or for all the files .mp3
[08:06] <Xenguy> Eagle101: you're trying to get your system back to a sane state...
[08:06] <Riddell> Eagle101: try apt-get install kde-core
[08:06] <Xenguy> Eagle101: since no one is suggesting anything different, try what I said and then report the exact error messages, if any
[08:06] <kipod> Eagle101,  to all the folders that contian MUSIC fils
[08:06] <Eagle101> Xenguy: well then how would i go to fix that apt-get corrupt thing
[08:06] <Xenguy> Riddell: no no
[08:07] <Shufla> hello :)
[08:07] <veran> what I have done when system is messed up, is remove all the base X packages, which kills all the X apps, then start installing only what I want
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[08:07] <Dko> Ok just one more question and im gone. :P  Is there any possible way to adjust my gamma settings? Or get a program that will allow me too?  My monitor isn't very bright even with its brightness setting at max. ><
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> anyone here using Samsung Samtron 56V monitor? plese its urgent!
[08:07] <Eagle101> kipod: yea, that worked for me, just select one file and make xmms default, then xmms will play that file automatically
[08:08] <Eagle101> Xenguy: ok let me go and ill be back
[08:08] <Xenguy> Eagle101: OK
[08:08] <kipod> Eagle101,   i don't want it to play a file i want it to play a folder ... like with WinAmp on WINDOWS
[08:09] <veran> why not just add the folder your playlist in xmms?
[08:09] <Dko> I guess there isn't a way.  ohh welll... :/
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> anyone know why i am epxeriencing display corruption in i810 on knoppix 3.6
[08:10] <veran> what kind of curroption?
[08:10] <veran> anything interesting when you tail the XFree86 log?
[08:10] <kipod> cuse its much more easy to just right click it and mark play folder on XMMS
[08:10] <kipod> veran,  ^ look up
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> anyone know why i am epxeriencing display corruption in i810 on knoppix 3.6
[08:11] <speel> try a knoppix channel
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> speel: no one is responding out there
[08:12] <speel> bah umm have you tryed linuxquestions?
[08:12] <speel> www.linuxquestions.org
[08:12] <jirah> hola
[08:13] <jirah> ?alguien habla espa?ol?
[08:13] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you might try a newer version of Knoppix
[08:13] <jirah> o meor aun..alguien escribe en espa?ol?
[08:13] <yam> jirah: un poco
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok. thanks. anyway, can i fix this version?
[08:13] <jirah> mmmm...kooll
[08:13] <crimsun> jirah: #ubuntu-es tambien
[08:13] <jirah> tu sabes si ubuntu soporta la Ati radeon 9200
[08:14] <jirah> aaaa...ok...thank you
[08:14] <jirah> :D
[08:14] <crimsun> de nada
[08:17] <Shufla> funny...
[08:18] <Shufla> smth has happen to my password on ubuntu.com...
[08:18] <Eagle101> Xenguy: u there
[08:18] <Xenguy> Eagle101: yes
[08:18] <miausX> see you later guys :)
[08:19] <WW> Is it possible to tell Firefox to ignore certain web sites or URLs?
[08:19] <Eagle101> Xenguy: i went and did apt-get update and finished successfully...then when i did apt-get upgrade, i get this error message
[08:19] <Eagle101> Xenguy: Reading package list..Done
[08:19] <WW> I can't find something like this in the preferences window.
[08:19] <Eagle101> Xenguy: Building Dependency Tree...Done
[08:20] <Eagle101> Xenguy: You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these....The following packages habe umet dependency...gnome panel: depends: libecal6(>=1.0.2) but it isnt installed
[08:21] <Eagle101> Xenguy: also Depends: libedataservers (>=1.0.2) but it isnt installed...E: Umet dependencies, Try using -f
[08:21] <Eagle101> Xenguy: thats the error message
[08:22] <Xenguy> Eagle101: good - got it...
[08:22] <crimsun> Eagle101: you appear to have mixed apt sources, and at least 'libedataservers' doesn't exist as a package
[08:22] <Amaranth> WW: You looking for something like AdBlock?
[08:23] <WW> Amaranth: I'm not sure what AdBlock is, but it sounds like what I'm looking for!
[08:23] <Eagle101> so what do you think i should do
[08:25] <crimsun> Eagle101: what distro did you upgrade from?
[08:25] <Eagle101> crimsun: i installed ubuntu fresh on this new hard disk
[08:26] <njs12345> WW: http://adblock.mozdev.org
[08:26] <WW> Amaranth: I found the AdBlock web page Thanks for the suggestion.
[08:26] <WW> :)
[08:27] <Xenguy> Eagle101: if you do have mixed apt sources, as crimsun thinks, then there must be some reason for this - did you do anything out of the ordinary along the way?
[08:27] <joh> I'm unable to start X (xorg) on hoary. It says it's unable to load the base modules "bitmap" and "pcidata" which does not exist. Anyone experienced a similar problem?
[08:27] <Xenguy> Eagle101: oh BTW, are you dual-booting?
[08:28] <Eagle101> Xenguy: yes i am dual booting...and i dont think i did something ordinary
[08:28] <Xenguy> Eagle101: OK, here's one idea...
[08:28] <nakee> joh: look in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules see if libpcidata is there
[08:28] <Shufla> cu
[08:28] <Xenguy> Eagle101: I wonder if it is possible to get rid of 'gnome panel' (since that is causing the error), then re-run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' ?
[08:28] <Eagle101> how do i do that...?
[08:29] <Xenguy> Eagle101: this is my typical approach, BTW -- if I get errors regarding a piece of software, I remove the offending party :-)
[08:29] <joh> nakee: it's not
[08:29] <ACIDnet> how do I tell what codecs i have installed - like divx, xvid, mo3
[08:29] <joh> nakee: only libpcidata.a
[08:30] <nakee> yea
[08:30] <joh> nakee: this is after downgrading, wait...
[08:30] <nakee> joh: check your xorg.conf and see what's the module path
[08:30] <Xenguy> Eagle101: we need to find what package contains 'gnome panel'...
[08:30] <Eagle101> Xenguy: can it also be because my friend gave me his sources.list and i copied them into my sources.list
[08:31] <jo> I tried to create an account on the ubuntu website using the join_form. But it keeps on loading until I get a timeout error. Any ideas?
[08:31] <Xenguy> Eagle101: maybe we should have a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[08:31] <crimsun> joh: known issue. It's fixed in 8 as of several hours ago.
[08:31] <neighborlee> in gnome how do I add a new menu item..i'm trying in nautilus > Applications:/// < but its not allowing me to choose type 'directory' from list ???
[08:32] <crimsun> joh: the auth portion is temporarily down
[08:32] <crimsun> err
[08:32] <crimsun> jo: the auth portion is temporarily down
[08:32] <tolstoy> neighborlee, good question. that feature seems to be gone from the latest hoary builds
[08:32] <Xenguy> Eagle101: how many files get listed when you do -> cd /etc/apt && ls -l sources*
[08:33] <neighborlee> tolstoy, lemme slap whomever made that decision < LOL
[08:33] <jo> crimsun, oh ok. And when will it be up again?
[08:33] <neighborlee> tolstoy, I suppose it was buggy then ;(
[08:33] <tolstoy> neighborlee, i added an "evolution" menu item when evo wasn't being added, now i have two!  and "pan" disappeared.
[08:33] <Eagle101> Xenguy: only one...sources.list
[08:34] <tolstoy> neighborlee, nautilus folks have a habit of just removing things by policy: like no right-click to get a terminal, no "extract", etc.
[08:34] <Xenguy> Eagle101: OK, backup that file first
[08:34] <joh> crimsun: auth portion?
[08:34] <Eagle101> Xenguy: why you think it can be from the sources.list too?
[08:34] <crimsun> joh: no, read what I said about 8. The "auth portion" is directed to 'jo'.
[08:34] <jo> :-)
[08:35] <neighborlee> tolstoy, happy joy
[08:35] <joh> crimsun: ah, ok, thanks.
[08:35] <crimsun> jo: I don't have an ETA, sorry.
[08:35] <neighborlee> tolstoy, and then we wonder why kde is more popular
[08:35] <Eagle101> brb
[08:36] <jo> crimsun: ok, no problem.
[08:37] <tolstoy> neighborlee, speaking of which, I did something, somehow and nautilus covered up all windows with its background.  in other words, by workspace switch "saw" windows, but I couldn't.  fun!
[08:37] <neighborlee> tolstoy, i'm going to ask in  #gnome LOL
[08:37] <cabrilo> hello. I want to loop mount an iso but I keep getting "mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#"
[08:37] <cabrilo> any ideas?
[08:37] <tolstoy> neighborlee, who knows, maybe it's that pesky xcompmgr I keep using.
[08:37] <neighborlee> tolstoy, haha
[08:38] <tolstoy> neighborlee, once you have drop shadows, it's hard to give 'em up.  not to mention windows fading in and out.
[08:39] <neighborlee> tolstoy, like that eyecandy ey ? LOL
[08:39] <neighborlee> o_0
[08:42] <tolstoy> neighborlee, actually, the dropshadows are _great_ for having many windows (say, source files) on the screen.  so, candy==good, but i find it actually improves usability
[08:43] <neighborlee> tolstoy, where is this feature located
[08:43] <tolstoy> neighborlee, are you using hoary?
[08:44] <wasabi_> Anybody have any suggestions for deploying ubuntu over the network?
[08:44] <wasabi_> Does the d-i let you do that?
[08:44] <neighborlee> no..all ive done is apt-get upgrade..im half afraid to dist-upgrade LOL
[08:45] <tolstoy> neighborlee, well, if you've got the x.org version of X, you just make a couple of mods to xorg.conf, then apt-get xcompmgr (helps to have, say, nvidia)
[08:45] <Xenguy> wasabi_: there is a tool called 'FAI' (fully automatic install)...
[08:45] <wasabi_> FAI sucks.
[08:45] <Xenguy> wasabi_: but I don't know more than that, and there may be a simpler way for you - consider it just a pointer :-)
[08:46] <Xenguy> wasabi_: you have tried that tool?
[08:46] <wasabi_> yes
[08:46] <Xenguy> wasabi_: what is the main reason it "sucks" (I am curious) ?
[08:46] <neighborlee> tolstoy, lemme check
[08:46] <wasabi_> It reimplements d-i, silently.
[08:46] <wasabi_> Using debootstrap.
[08:46] <wasabi_> So, no good hardware detections, etc.
[08:47] <Xenguy> hrm
[08:47] <neighborlee> tolstoy, if I  had x.org i'd have x.conf in /etc/X11 right
[08:47] <wasabi_> I think I just found a page about preseeing d-i.
[08:47] <wasabi_> That might be better.
[08:47] <neighborlee> tolstoy, dont think I do as i just have XF86Config-4  there now...
[08:47] <Gwildor> (hoary) i have bittorrent installed, bittorrent-gui also, but i cant use it, nothing i have tried will launch it.
[08:47] <neighborlee> tolstoy: hmm i'm glad they are moving to x.org
[08:47] <tolstoy> dpkg -l | grep xserver ought to tell you for sure
[08:48] <njs12345> or X -version
[08:48] <tolstoy> njs12345, and give up the chance you use cmd-line pipes while we still can?  bah! ;)
[08:48] <neighborlee> lol
[08:49] <neighborlee> tolstoy, XFree86 Version <IP_ADDRESS> (Ubuntu 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25.1<PHONE_NUMBER>4039 root@)
[08:49] <neighborlee> tolstoy, so your telling me I prob. should dist-upgrade <G>
[08:49] <neighborlee> tolstoy, and maybe backup first ?LOL
[08:50] <tolstoy> neighborlee, well, i don't know.  i've managed to deal with hoary probs so far, but ymmv, of course
[08:50] <crimsun> Hoary really is quite manageable _if you don't upgrade everyday_
[08:51] <crimsun> granted, that removes the edge
[08:51] <crimsun> ;)
[08:51] <tolstoy> crimsun, some of us are addicted.   I have a crontab that updates every 30 mins. :D
[08:53] <njs12345> lol
[08:53] <njs12345> well
[08:53] <njs12345> I've written a custom daemon that updates whenever it senses I have the spare CPU cycles