[00:19] <gyg> i made a javascript screensaver that crashes the computer heh
[00:26] <cartdrige> Is it the one that tries to print the numbers of Elon Musk Mars bank account?
[00:27] <gyg> no just a bug like uses all the memory over a couple minutes
[00:28] <gyg> i did it by accident. found one on firefox too like 4 years ago
[00:30] <cartdrige> normally the kernel would kill your program because it uses too much resources.
[00:30] <gyg> i gurss linux mint doesnt
[00:31] <gyg> i know ubuntu does though
[00:33] <gyg> you used to able to crash chrome by loading too big jpg
[00:33] <gyg> they fixed it though
[00:42] <gyg> used to be able to crash hexchat by sending a bunch of euro doller symbols too
[00:42] <gyg> kinda funny how much stuff you can crash just by sending too much data
[00:43] <gyg> i crashed my routher log in too
[00:43] <gyg> i guess its maybe cause c and c++ language
[01:00] <cartdrige> yeah hexchat had bugstring crash. but they been fixed.
[01:03] <wildsquid> ah
[01:06] <wildsquid> ios had one where you could crash the text message by sending 100000 characters or something. the guy got money too for finding it
[01:06] <wildsquid> anyways
[01:09] <dob1> how can I add memtest86+ to grub menu?
[01:09] <dob1> just install it?
[01:11] <murmel> dob1: are you on uefi or legacy boot?
[01:11] <dob1> murmel: uefi
[01:12] <murmel> dob1: memtest86+ doesn't support uefi (for now), you would need to use memtest86 (nonplus) or grab a newer testing version. but honestly not sure how good those testversions are
[01:14] <dob1> murmel: ah!
[01:15] <dob1> murmel: are you sure?
[01:15] <murmel> dob1: just as an extra information memtest86.com is closed source. some people don't like it because of it
[01:15] <murmel> dob1: yes
[01:15] <dob1> from their page I read  Memtest86+ can be loaded and run either directly by a PC BIOS (legacy or UEFI)
[01:16] <murmel> dob1: yes, as that's the new version ;)
[01:16] <dob1> murmel: so you were refering to the one that ship with ubuntu
[01:17] <murmel> dob1: are you on 22.04?
[01:17] <dob1> murmel: yes I am
[01:17] <murmel> dob1: which ships v5, which doesn't support uefi
[01:17] <murmel> v6 does
[01:17] <dob1> got it
[01:18] <dob1> I need to create a boot cd then
[01:18] <dob1> usb not cd :)
[01:18] <dob1> thanks for the infos murmel
[01:18] <murmel> but interesting that they already released v6, didn't notice it
[01:19] <murmel> dob1: yw :)
[01:19] <murmel> oh roughly a month ago
[01:33] <Bashing-om> !info memtester | dob1
[01:34] <Bashing-om> !info memtester jammy | dob1
[02:10] <sarnold> WaV, leftyfb, heh https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/zaunsd/for_no_reason_today_updates_fd_my_system/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/zavmvl/latest_update_kind_of_hosed_system/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/zawvlv/ubuntu_insists_on_installing_the_oracle_kernel/
[02:12] <WaV> sarnold: Wow! Another user who got a orcale kernel installed for no reason. Interesting.
[02:17] <sarnold> WaV: several of them, even
[02:19] <murmel> kind of reminds me also about the gcc-12 stuff getting pulled in, as the dependencies got messed up
[02:25] <WaV> I just discovered a bluetooth issue as well, but I'm not sure its related. I had to install bluez and a couple other packages, which I thought I had already previously installed when i first installed 22.04 several months ago but not sure. bluetooth audio wasn't working.
[02:26] <murmel> hm, bluez is definitely installed by default
[02:27] <WaV> I did install it none-the-less. I just checked my bash_history
[02:29] <WaV> Or at least attempt to install it at some point, but if you say its installed by default then it probably didn't do anything.
[02:31] <WaV> Oh well, I'm going to get some frustration out at the gym, lol. Glad I'm not the only one, but sucks that it's happening.
[02:31] <sarnold> WaV: excellent idea :)
[04:10] <devNulled> Bah ... I have a script that literally does nothing more than restart the bluetooth drivers on my Linux host... I think it's a situation where the adapters fall asleep. Bluetooth is always finicky because unlike WiFi, it doesn't always make sense to always have it picking up signals etc.
[04:11] <sarnold> some devices have mechanisms to disable low power mode
[04:11] <devNulled> Yeah, I know ...
[04:11] <sarnold> ahah
[04:11] <sarnold> just 'aha', rather
[04:11] <devNulled> But I'm too lazy to manually edit the configs for that and when I do, the updates break them ... so I just have a script that literally is something like systemctl restart ... systemctl ...
[04:12] <devNulled> If I wanted to get super lazy, I could turn it into a cron job, haha
[04:12] <devNulled> But then it would do that while I'm actually using it
[06:07] <Angrysug> hi good people
[06:07] <Angrysug> im looking for all the deb files so that i can archive them for offline usage
[06:07] <Angrysug> after installation though, i have gotten hold of a handful of them
[06:07] <Angrysug> i use apt for instance
[06:08] <Angrysug> looking here /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:08] <Angrysug> and hardly find any
[06:08] <Angrysug> I woud like to know where the deb files for remmina are
[06:08] <Angrysug> xfe
[06:08] <Angrysug> element-desktop
[06:08] <Angrysug> truecrypt
[06:09] <Angrysug> just to name a handful
[06:09] <Angrysug> does anyone have a clue where to look?
[06:09] <Angrysug> also tried ls -l |grepping
[06:10] <Angrysug> they are just not there, mind you, im a new ubuntu user migrating from windows
[06:12] <WaV> if they aren't there, you can always apt-get download mypackage1 mypackage2
[06:13] <WaV> the directory probably got cleaned
[06:22] <Angrysug> hmm, thanks WaV
[06:22] <Angrysug> Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/var/cache/apt/archives/remmina_1.4.25+dfsg-1_amd64.deb' couldn't be accessed by user
[06:22] <Angrysug> i get ^ problem
[06:22] <Angrysug> how do i unsandbox myself?
[06:23] <rbox> what?
[06:25] <Angrysug> i tried downloading remmina via sudo apt-get download and got the above error
[06:25] <rbox> dont use sudo
[06:26] <Angrysug> ah, all right
[06:26] <Angrysug> it worked, thanks so much!
[06:27] <Angrysug> (why is linux so COMPLICATED on EVERY level... :D )
[06:27] <rbox> its not?
[06:27] <murmel> Angrysug: it's not complicated, but you are used to windows, which definitely works differently
[06:27] <Angrysug> (LAYERS upon LAYERS...this is the 5-6th time im trying to migrate from window sto ubuntu, this time im staying since all the drivers work automatically)
[06:28] <murmel> Angrysug: take your time to get adjusted to it. ootb windows puts you as an administrator, which is definitely a nogo in linux
[06:28] <Angrysug> (drivers working out of the box is KEY for mass migration to ubuntu/linux)
[06:29] <Angrysug> murmel, yeah, it is just not safe, ive hated windows since day 1... 30 years ago
[06:53] <Guest89> a pid file is being deleted when I run cat server.pid | xargs kill, does this mean the process is handling the signal and removing the pid file?
[06:54] <Guest89> would it be more idempotent to delete the server.pid myself after the kill
[09:34] <wifwfr> network manager adds default route on connection activation, how to stop this_
[09:36] <Angrysug> i traded convenience for safety...for 30 years.
[09:36] <Angrysug> not anymore.
[09:36] <Angrysug> thanks for all the help.
[09:38] <igor> Sometime ago i selected nvidia-driver-520 and after an update i have "continue using a manually installed driver" in an additional drivers settings. And i cannot select another driver anymore. Why is it? Also nvidia-driver-520 has been kept back for some reason after that update.
[10:45] <Guest55> Hi All; I want to activate Ubuntu Pro and Live Patch on Ubuntu 20.04 but I am afraid about any problems for my WiFi card which uses a DKMS driver. (https://ubuntu.com/certified/component/760 && https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/rtl8821ce-dkms) any idea or suggestion?
[11:23] <Guest55> (SO SORY but again) >>> Hi All; I want to activate Ubuntu Pro and Live Patch on Ubuntu 20.04 but I am afraid about any problems for my WiFi card which uses a DKMS driver. (https://ubuntu.com/certified/component/760 && https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/rtl8821ce-dkms) any idea or suggestion?
[11:39] <Angrysug> has anyone gotten adobe photoshop to work on ubuntu 22?
[11:39] <Angrysug> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF7nvzaIITg
[11:40] <Angrysug> ive followed the installation process of adobe on my ubuntu 22.04 lts and it installs fine, problem is that when i try to run it, it wont start
[11:41] <Angrysug> (it SEEMS to me that it installs fine)
[11:41] <Angrysug> how can one go about to try to troubleshoot where the problem lies?
[11:41] <Angrysug> (clean install ubuntu 22.04 lts and then just followed his step by step method and things seemed to install fine)
[11:47] <nedbat> I have a github action that uses the deadsnakes ppa to install nightly versions of Python. When deadsnakes removes a version, it finds it in focal-updates instead.  How can I insist that it come from deadsnakes, or to fail the installation?  https://github.com/nedbat/coveragepy/actions/runs/3590447527/jobs/6043849821
[11:59] <Guest55> i think old IRC died :)
[12:00] <Guest55> (SO SORY but again x2) >>> Hi All; I want to activate Ubuntu Pro and Live Patch on Ubuntu 20.04 but I am afraid about any problems for my WiFi card which uses a DKMS driver. (https://ubuntu.com/certified/component/760 && https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/rtl8821ce-dkms) any idea or suggestion?
[13:04] <cosmicrajiv> is dualboot ubuntu 22.04 alongside win11 safe?
[13:05] <cosmicrajiv> i have a 512 gb nvme ssd out of which 115 gb unallocated is remaining. i wanted to install ubuntu 22.04 in this free space.
[13:06] <cosmicrajiv> windows 11 is already installed.
[13:24] <cosmicrajiv> anyone?
[13:26] <mtn> normally it should be fine. try it and see
[13:26] <cosmicrajiv> ok
[13:26] <mtn> cosmicrajiv: and of course, you already have your personal data backed up, right?
[13:27] <cosmicrajiv> yes
[13:27] <mtn> good
[13:35] <aaii> Hi guys, Do you know any free Data Loss Prevention (DLP) for debian or ubuntu?
[13:45] <devNulled> If anyone knows how to stop the permissions on Software center from regularly breaking, by all means share. I have to edit the configs manually ever month or so to fix it to so that I don't have to open up the GUI with sudo ... And that is not the default behavior. I use this tutorial every time:
[13:45] <devNulled> https://askubuntu.com/questions/18222/how-to-prevent-system-applications-like-the-software-center-from-asking-for-pa ... And I think this would never happen on Debian.
[13:47] <devNulled> ... I think the answer might come down to managing the sudoers file which is always risky but if it comes to that I will
[13:49] <webchat93> Hi does anybody online and able to give soem help and directions how can i solve one issue, what i have with Authenticator-Two Factor (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/auth-helper/?src=external-github) for one site (geni.com), previous through the terminal done  update na dupgrade, and did't excpect that will be erased, and again
[13:49] <webchat93> need to added a same. But every time again when i try, no result. Thx in advance.
[13:50] <devNulled> Yeah, somebody needs to help that guy more than me. That's a phishing accident waiting to happen.
[13:52] <webchat93> devNulled, isa maybe your answer to me? I- realy looking for this above help how can I continue work on the same site
[13:54] <devNulled> I guess since I commented I should help. Hold on
[13:55] <devNulled> Let me fix my sudoers file. Give me a second. If I make even one error - mess up a single line - it will break the entire system depending on what it is, and I am not a fan of having to drop shells out of my xterm sessions.
[13:55] <devNulled> Haha, anyone who is not a noob on here will be in the non-fan camp with that
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:25] <Guest63> I need some help fixing my ubuntu
[14:25] <Guest63> When I boot into recovery mode, the terminal is partially overlaying the recovery menu
[14:26] <Guest63> and I can see the prompt 'Press enter for maintenance'
[14:26] <Guest63> even once I get into a root shell
[14:26] <Guest63> what I type isn't correct
[14:26] <Guest63> ill type for example 'clear'
[14:27] <Guest63> then it would say 'no such command "lear"
[14:27] <Guest63> its super random so I'm unable to fix anything from the root shell either
[14:29] <Guest63> this is really frustrating, as I did the software upgrade and then it broke
[14:38] <bingJACKPOT> ... This actually worked, did it.
[14:39] <bingJACKPOT> I'll be damned. This is my entrance using HexChat. I must say, so far so good.
[14:39] <bingJACKPOT> Yet, I misspelled my nick
[14:40] <bingoJACKPOT> It's looking better now
[14:42] <bingoJACKPOT> Can someone say something even if it's inane noise so that I know my client is working?
[14:43] <BenC> inane noise
[14:44] <bingoJACKPOT> Good enough for me. Thanks, BenC... I don't like how this isn't requiring me to authenticate. Hexchat did not ask for my credentials and I don't care if they're stored on my host, I like the authentication ... makes me feel safe.
[14:59] <BluesKaj> bingoJACKPOT, you'll be safer if you ask for a "cloak" in the #libera chat
[15:03] <Guest63> if I do a upgrade, will I lose all my stuff like chrome
[15:03] <Guest63> ?
[15:07] <BenC> I doubt you’ll lose anything. What type of upgrade (version from and to) and how did you install chrome?
[15:12] <webchat93> Anybody who can help  with one issue
[15:13] <tomreyn> Guest63: you can try typing "reset" next time there are issues with input on a terminal
[15:13] <tomreyn> hi webchat93
[15:13] <tomreyn> !ask | webchat93
[15:13] <Guest63> Ill try
[15:14] <Guest63> from what I can see the upgrade broke my system
[15:14] <tomreyn> Guest63: which upgrade, which system?
[15:14] <Guest63> ubuntu 18
[15:15] <Guest63> I did just a upgrade using the gui, since my other apps were outdated
[15:15] <Guest63> now I'm unable to boot back in
[15:15] <Guest63> what I found was some error like this
[15:16] <Guest63> "systemd-udev.service:26: executeable path is not absolute"
[15:16] <Guest63> I did a grub repair already, didnt help
[15:16] <webchat93> I have a issue with https://authenticator.cc/docs/en/quickstart after when i done update and upgrade on last version Ubuntu 22.04.01 LTS, previous was deleted, so again i added and try to use for geni.com with my login and account but no result
[15:18] <ForeverNoob[m]> Hi, I seem to vaguely remember that in order to enable setting of full resolution of my Ubuntu 22.04 guest VM (QEMU/KVM/virt-manager), I had to install a bunch of packages, but I can't seem to recall which ones. So what packages do I have to install?
[15:19] <tomreyn> Guest63: it doesn't seem like anyone else reported getting this error message. i'm wondering whether you maybe had third party software installed which modified udev, and this caused this.
[15:20] <Guest63> I got a root shell now, the reset seemed to help a bit, it seems very slow, I can only type like 1 char per 2 seconds
[15:20] <Guest63> what should I do to find the error?
[15:21] <tomreyn> Guest63: systemctl cat systemd-udev.service |& nc termbin.com 9999
[15:22] <webchat93> Seems that issue cannot be solved in my case?
[15:23] <Guest63> nevermind, now the recovery menu just popped up agian
[15:23] <Guest63> wth
[15:23] <tomreyn> webchat93: sorry, i know nothing about this very browser externsion. you can wait and see whether soemone else knows about the issue you're describing, or, maybe a better approach, use any support options its developers offer.
[15:24] <Guest63> and now I'm back to being unable to type commands
[15:24] <Guest63> it just fills it with nonsense
[15:25] <ForeverNoob[m]> @webchat93: Also this sounds like a browser / extension question than one for Ubuntu specifically.
[15:28] <tomreyn> Guest63: i guess this means your best option is a fresh installation. note that release upgrades should not be done when you have 3rd party software installed through apt / dpkg.
[15:28] <Guest63> If I had chome installed before, will I lose all the profile data with it?
[15:29] <ForeverNoob[m]> You can back that directory up.
[15:29] <Guest63> what about extensions?
[15:30] <webchat93> ForeverNoob[m] yes but in Ubuntu need to regulate, i tried couple times but no result, problem is became when i done update/upgrade in terminal and new version installed and after that everthing was deleted and also this extesion.
[15:30] <ForeverNoob[m]> IIRC a Chrome profile contains all of those (though check how to back one up on Linux first)
[15:31] <Guest63> there must be a way to get a root shell without having to go thru the menu
[15:31] <tomreyn> chrome is not part of ubuntu (although there can be a snap), so it's not really supported here. but it is probably similar to chromium, so it probably containss all the extensions in the configuration directory in your $HOME
[15:32] <nedbat> I have a github action that uses the deadsnakes ppa to install nightly versions of Python. When deadsnakes removes a version, it finds it in focal-updates instead.  How can I insist that it come from deadsnakes, or to fail the installation?  https://github.com/nedbat/coveragepy/actions/runs/3590447527/jobs/6043849821
[15:34] <tomreyn> !pinning | nedbat
[15:34] <ForeverNoob[m]> @Guest63: You might want to try one of the TTY after you've finished the boot sequence (by default Ctrl+Alt+F2 (or F3, F4 etc.)
[15:36] <nedbat> tomreyn: thanks. the examples there show editing /etc files, which I'm not sure I can do in a GitHub Action.  is there a pure apt-get invocation that will limit the installation to just the deadsnakes ppa?
[15:37] <Guest63> When I try TTY f2 or any others its just blank screen
[15:38] <tomreyn> nedbat: there is -t to apt-get, also -o let's you pass any apt configurations to apt on the CLI.
[15:38] <tomreyn> (overriding what is configured in files)
[15:39] <ForeverNoob[m]> @Guest63: Even after pressing Enter ?
[15:40] <Guest63> yes, just a blinking char
[15:40] <Guest63> and now the recovery menu just popped up again
[15:40] <Guest63> then I'm unable to type commands anymore
[15:40] <tomreyn> nedbat: i do not know whether you can pass apt preferences (pinning) into apt-get with -o, though
[15:41] <nedbat> tomreyn: seems like maybe I just need ` -t deadsnakes `?
[15:41] <ForeverNoob[m]> @Guest63: What if you just boot normally (so not in recovery)
[15:42] <Guest63> it just loads forever
[15:42] <Guest63> this issue looks the same more or less
[15:42] <Guest63> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1357563/ubuntu-server-18-04-5-upgrade-to-20-04-fails
[15:43] <tomreyn> nedbat: it seems unlikely that this is the release name this PPA would set, but sure, you can try. i suggest also getting help from github, since you are not dealing with a standard ubuntu installation
[15:43] <nedbat> tomreyn: ok, thanks.
[15:45] <dollard> Hi
[15:46] <dollard> 🤘
[15:49] <tomreyn> Guest63: you can try recovering the system from a live usb / cd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure
[15:51] <tomreyn> on a system with separate boot file system, you may also need to mount that file systemto /mnt/boot and on a efi booting system, you'd also want to mount /boot/efi /mnt/boot/efi
[15:51] <tomreyn> but this is a bit complicated, so that's why i suggested reinstalling
[15:53] <ForeverNoob[m]> @Guest63: Just an FYI: I've never did an upgrade like that (heard too much horror stories before) - I just backup all of my important data, do a fresh install and then restore that data back.
[15:53] <Guest63> I just wanted to update my browsers, but it updated everything
[15:53] <Guest63> I really need my browser data to be recoverable
[15:54] <tomreyn> you just need to copy it off the disk, most likely
[15:54] <tomreyn> then move it back
[15:54] <tomreyn> (after install)
[16:00] <Guest63> Im gonna keep trying to see if I can boot up the original system
[16:00] <Guest63> just to be 100% sure
[16:00] <Guest63> if I lose all my browser data, especially the extensions, its rip
[16:11] <ForeverNoob[m]> Is your homedir encrypted? If so, you'll have to look up the instructions to decrypt it first before attempting any kind of backup.
[16:11] <BlackOps> Bah
[16:13] <tomreyn> BlackOps: what makes you say that?
[16:14] <Guest63> ForeverNoob[m] no not encrypted
[16:14] <BlackOps> Hard pass on honoring that question. Do I have to engage in a discussion or can I make random glib comments and plead ignorance or insanity?
[16:14] <tomreyn> BlackOps: you are welcome to ask and answer questions on this support channel.
[16:14] <leftyfb> BlackOps: #ubuntu-offtopc would be better for random glib comments
[16:15] <BlackOps> (I have extremely hardcore thoughts on encrypted but I didn't want to annoy anyone and out of deference to those who wish to stay on topic, I couldn't think of what to type so that came out. The short end of a long story is that I think you should encrypt your whole entire world as if your life depends on it.)
[16:15] <BlackOps> *on encryption
[16:16] <leftyfb> BlackOps: feel free to discuss your opinions in #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:22] <ForeverNoob[m]> Does Ubuntu 18.04 use LUKS for encrypting the /home directories?
[16:25] <oerheks> ForeverNoob[m], sure
[16:25] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: no. Before 18.04 it used to be eCryptfs which was removed as a default installer option in 16.04 I think due to it being buggy and not maintained
[16:25] <oerheks> full disk encryption
[16:25] <leftyfb> LUKS only does FDE
[16:27] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: I think your only options for only encrypting /home are eCryptfs or EncFS. I only have mildly annoying experience with the former. I would personally only recommend FDE with LUKS.
[16:28] <ForeverNoob[m]> What does the default installer option use? I always choose to encrypt home dir during installation.
[16:29] <oerheks> default = non encryption
[16:29] <leftyfb> the default installer no longer allows you to encrypt only your home directory. Not in any supported release of ubuntu anyway. The only option in the installer is FDE
[16:32] <BlackOps> The only distinct advantage to not encrypting something is that the files load faster and it's much much quicker to back up or clone
[16:33] <ForeverNoob[m]> @BlackOps: And eliminating possible point of failure (in case of lost password etc.)
[16:34] <leftyfb> don't lose your password
[16:34] <BlackOps> But if you lose your password, you don't want someone to find it
[16:34] <ForeverNoob[m]> Not even yourself? :p
[16:34] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: the only solution to losing your password is having a backup of the data
[16:34] <BlackOps> You don't want someone to find photos you took on your honeymoon with your spouse etc... That's no one's damn business.
[16:35] <mrlee> h
[16:35] <ForeverNoob[m]> True, but I usually encrypt that backup as well :p
[16:35] <mrlee> heyal.
[16:35] <mrlee> what's up?
[16:35] <leftyfb> mrlee: hello. What can we help you with today?
[16:35] <BlackOps> I can only think of one case where a company overdoes it on privacy but it is off topic: And that's Apple products. And, it's not so much overdoing it, it's that they constantly force you to give permission to the point where the end user is treated like a toddler
[16:36] <BlackOps> Yes, encrypting the backup is a must. I do that with Clonezilla
[16:36] <BlackOps> I love Clonezilla
[16:38] <BlackOps> I will never run for president of my country but one day ... if Ubuntu will let me, I will become president of Clonezilla
[16:38] <leftyfb> BlackOps: please stay on topic
[16:38] <BlackOps> k
[16:39] <BlackOps> Has anyone tried running Ubuntu on something like Parallels over the M1 or M2 processors
[16:40] <leftyfb> BlackOps: people have tried. But there's no sense in trying to troubleshoot hypotheticals. It's also not officially supported AFAIK
[16:41] <BlackOps> Yeah, surely it's been tried many times over ... I just was curious and that was my attempt to remain on topic but I will fall silent again and help whomever needs help if or when I can.
[16:41] <leftyfb> BlackOps: again, this isn't a discussion topic. It's for support. I really think you would do well to /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:41] <leftyfb> topic/channel
[16:50] <tatsumaru> hey guys, I installed ubuntu in a VM without using a local storage (ramdrive only), however when I run apt-get update and upgrade, I hear a lot of hard disk spinning from my PC. why is the hdd spinning if ubuntu is running on ram with no swap?
[17:14] <tatsumaru> what happens if you run 'apt-get --fix-missing upgrade' any chance this downloads all packages on the repo?
[17:18] <gray233> Hi, may I ask a question. I have a very simple bcc script which fails to run on Ubuntu.
[17:18] <gray233> ~ $ uname -a
[17:18] <gray233> Linux gray-Alienware-m15-R6 5.15.0-56-generic #62-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 22 19:54:14 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:18] <gray233> ~ $ lsb_release -a
[17:18] <gray233> No LSB modules are available.
[17:18] <gray233> Distributor ID:    Ubuntu
[17:47] <Guest63> YES IM BACK IN
[17:47] <Guest63> THE GUI IS BIT BROKEN, BUT IM IN
[17:47] <poisone> LET ME IN
[17:48] <respawn> no need for caps
[17:48] <respawn> this is ubuntu help channel if you need help ask here
[17:49] <respawn> for general chat go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:49] <poisone> need for caps
[17:49] <respawn> suit your self and get banned
[18:20] <eelstrebor> last nights update of 20.04 on a laptop messed up the desktop. don't know what caused it. might have something the logs to try to pinpoint the problem but i decided to upgrade it to 22.04 and see if that fixes it. if not i'll have to do a fresh install. i hate it when this happens
[18:22] <alkisg> Define "messed up" :)
[18:22] <alkisg> But yeh I'd go for the 22.04 upgrade too
[18:25] <pjstirling123> Hi, I have a DigitalOcean droplet that has gone very wrong while upgrading its OS, I have access to the recovery console and have chroot()ed into the installed OS, and I am getting errors when trying apt:
[18:25] <pjstirling123> Setting up debianutils (5.5-1ubuntu2)
[18:25] <pjstirling123> mv: can't move '/var/lib/shells.state.tmp' to '/var/lib/shells.state': No such file or directory
[18:27] <pjstirling123> It's right that there's no file or directory for either path, but I'm not sure what they should look like
[18:30] <eelstrebor> alkisg, no menus
[18:30] <tomreyn> which OS is it?
[18:30] <tomreyn> pjstirling123: ^
[18:31] <alkisg> eelstrebor: which DE, GNOME?
[18:31] <eelstrebor> gnome
[18:31] <eelstrebor> wallpaper went black also
[18:31] <alkisg> I'd check sudo dmesg and sudo journalctl -b -pwarning
[18:36] <pjstirling123> Tomreyn: lsb_release -c says jammy
[18:38] <tomreyn> pjstirling123: so you're apparently saying that you have an Ubuntu 22.04 LTS installation, is this after or before the upgrade? what do apt sources point to?
[18:38] <pjstirling123> Tomreyn: apt disc-upgrade gives a "supported-versions: WARNING: Unknown Ubuntu release: 22.04"
[18:40] <tomreyn> pjstirling123: i'm not familiar with this "supported-versions" script, i dont think this is part of Ubuntu.
[18:41] <tomreyn> actually there is /usr/share/postgresql-common/supported-versions
[18:41] <tomreyn> i think you should provide more context
[18:41] <tomreyn> can youi show full commands you run and full outputs they generate, on a pastebin, please?
[18:43] <pjstirling123> The recovery console doesn't support copy-paste ☹
[18:43] <tomreyn> do you have network access from it?
[18:43] <tomreyn> ping -c 1 <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:43] <tomreyn> this will either succeed to transfer a packet or fail, telling you whether you have internet access
[18:44] <pjstirling123> Yeah, it has net access
[18:44] <tomreyn> then you can pipe output into    |& nc termbin.com 9999
[18:46] <alkisg> Hi ogra! In 22.04, apt purge snap fails with `can't erase /var/snap/firefox/common/host-hunspell/en_CA.dic', read only file system.
[18:46] <alkisg> I think that when firefox.snap is purged, it needs to run `snap disconnect firefox:host-hunspell` in its... postrm?
[18:46] <alkisg> Should I file a bug about that, and if so where?
[18:46] <tomreyn> pjstirling123: normally you can just ran, for example:  cat /etc/os-release |& nc termbin.com 9999
[18:48] <tomreyn> pjstirling123: but termbin closes the connection when commands take longer than a second ot 3 to execute. so for longer-runnning commands such as apt-get you may need to redirect output to a file first, then post that:
[18:48] <tomreyn> sudo apt-get -y update > /tmp/apt 2>&1 && cat /tmp/apt |& nc termbin.com 9999
[18:48] <tomreyn> actually, this would be better:   sudo apt-get -y update &> /tmp/apt; cat /tmp/apt |& nc termbin.com 9999
[18:49] <pjstirling123> Oki, working on that
[18:53] <pjstirling123> https://termbin.com/3m46
[18:55] <tomreyn> pjstirling123: that's output from which command?
[18:55] <pjstirling123> Apt Dist-upgrade
[18:58] <tomreyn> pjstirling123: i would run "sudo apt update", then "sudo apt -f install", then "sudo apt upgrade" in this situation. if all of this succeeded, you can run "usdo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:59] <tomreyn> *sudo
[19:00] <pjstirling123> Apt update succeeds, apt -f install fails in the same way
[19:02] <tomreyn> pjstirling123: i guess you could manually    sudo touch /var/lib/shells.state.tmp    which may help this script to succeed
[19:02] <tomreyn> pjstirling123: i'm not finding this error message on a web search, though
[19:05] <tomreyn> pjstirling123: no ubuntu package in 20.04 LTS or 22.04 LTS provides the file /var/lib/shells.state (it could be that this file is created post-installation, though)
[19:06] <tomreyn> pjstirling123: i'm guessing you have third party packages instlled, which can complicate release upgrades, as you are seeing now.
[19:06] <pjstirling123> Yeah, I'm not very happy with digital ocean right now
[19:07] <tomreyn> this may or may not be a result of the DO image
[19:08] <tomreyn> apt policy    will show you where your package updates are installed from
[19:09] <tomreyn> or, better: sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} |& nc termbin.com 9999
[19:14] <zterm86> Hi, I was wondering on some tips to understand where my RAM usage is coming from. I'm running 'free' 'top' 'htop' and the amount free shows 209.7 free, while nothing seems to be running. I'm using Ubuntu Jammy on a 16GB system. This is truly bizarre.
[19:17] <ravage> zterm86: https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[19:19] <Brotherhood> List!
[19:20] <Havis> zterm86, dont panic :) , most of your ram is probably used as filesystem cache :)
[19:20] <tomreyn> Brotherhood: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[19:21] <Havis> installed deborphan package, and it always list docker:all as package that is orphaned, bug/no-bug?
[19:22] <tomreyn> Havis: not a bug
[19:22] <tomreyn> unless you're on 18.04 LTS, then it might be
[19:23] <Havis> I'm on 22.10amd64
[19:23] <zterm86> Thanks, I'll read this. oom_killer was triggering and I never saw my ram go down after stopping numerous programs.
[19:23] <tomreyn> Havis: https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/docker - note "transitional package"
[19:24] <Havis> zterm just install zram-tools and you wont have ram problems :)
[19:25] <tomreyn> instead you may have a cpu problem
[19:25] <VIA> hi all
[19:25] <VIA> i went into recovery mode to check whole file system, but didnt work
[19:25] <VIA> it changed some (i htink NTFS) to "Nonwrite"
[19:25] <zterm86> Thanks! I'llgive that a try.
[19:26] <Havis> zterm86, edit /etc/default/zramswap   uncomment the PERCENT=50 line
[19:26] <VIA> so now im geting isssues ... how can i normalize/return this drive back to its normal state ?
[19:26] <tomreyn> VIA: boot windows
[19:26] <tomreyn> and do a file system check there
[19:26] <VIA> also checking/repair in recovery movde did not work it claims "coudl not resolve archive.uvuntu.(x, forgot tld)
[19:27] <VIA> has the URL changed and my OS isnt fresh or is it something else
[19:27] <tomreyn> if you have a wired network connection, you can select the option to enable networking in the recovery menu, and thus have network access
[19:28] <tomreyn> zhe reason you initially don't have network access from the recovery shell is that the system is not fully started at this point.
[19:29] <VIA> id anyone could drop me a hin on how to return my drive(1partition of it) nack to R/W mode thats much appreciated!
[19:29] <VIA> *hint
[19:30] <mybalzitch> sudo mount -o remount,rw /mounted/path/goes/here
[19:30] <mybalzitch> but if its gone ro, it probably did htat for a reason
[19:30] <VIA> yes and now
[19:30] <VIA> lnx messed up also im a target
[19:31] <VIA> and this recovery/fix did not work at alll because the domain "could  not be resolved
[19:32] <oerheks> VIA,  why not? ubuntu does not boot from ntfs, so you can use disks to repair. if it is beyond repair, replace disks. or try from windows
[19:32] <VIA> netwowk works fine, 1time "enable ntwrk" took a few seconds, now when i repeat its just a flash and back to menu to fast to read
[19:32] <VIA> cnanot windows atm
[19:32] <VIA> need to fix it
[19:32] <VIA> i just need to change R/W mode
[19:32] <VIA> let me "google" so i find what my drives are
[19:33] <VIA> its a shared partition that should be accessible from any device, hence its NTFS
[19:33] <VIA> exfat3 might be an option newer win supports it i think
[19:34] <oerheks> but you claimed ntfs.. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/fix-corrupted-windows-ntfs-filesystem-ubuntu/
[19:34] <oerheks> install ntfs-3g, and use ntfsfix
[19:35] <WaV> you cant change the partition type without losing data.
[19:35] <VIA> what i totallly do not understand is the fact that after inspection/repair- or trial thereof, how come the tool does not revert important changes like the master setting of a drive/partition ???
[19:35] <VIA> oerheks: i claimed NTFS in which contex? I dont recall pls quote
[19:36] <VIA> "i claimed NTFS" ... o_O
[19:36] <tomreyn> ntfsfix is, as its man page says, very limited in what it can do. there is no suitable file system repair tool for ntfs file systems in Ubuntu
[19:36] <VIA> i claimed an NTFS partition went from RW to R only which is nothing but an error by design imo
[19:36] <oerheks> VIA, no. read back yourself.
[19:36] <tomreyn> that's why you probably should not rely on Ubuntu to fix NTFS file systems, and not use them if that's a limitation you cannot live with
[19:37] <VIA> mine linux whatever doesnt boot from ntfs obviously
[19:37] <VIA> oerheks: making claims dont want to say "accuse of" cause i see no crime, only dumb
[19:37] <VIA> great job and by
[19:37] <VIA> bb*
[19:39] <WaV> if you still need help you are going about it the wrong way. oerherks is only trying to help you. you are reading too deep into what he said.
[19:40] <tomreyn> when booting up, ubuntu checks whether file systems have the "dirty bit" set or are otherwise looking like they can contain serious file system inconsistencies. if that's the case, it runs a file system check against them to repair that - where that's possible. where that's not possible, it mounts them in read-only mode instead, so that file system corruption cannot get worse, but readable data can be available.
[19:41] <ubuntu-mate-uer> will network-manager-openvpn 1.10.2 be released for kinetic? the OpenVPN 2.6 integration in 1.10.0 is broken and only fixed the version released for lunar
[19:41] <ubuntu-mate-uer> the lunar package seems to work fine for kinetc, but I had to manually install it
[19:43] <oerheks> ubuntu-mate-uer, this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+bug/1993634
[19:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1993634 in network-manager-openvpn (Ubuntu) "network-manager-openvpn: --cipher option deprecated in OpenVPN 2.6, no option to set suggested --data-ciphers flag instead" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[19:43] <tomreyn> ubuntu-mate-uer: it's more likely to see backported bug fixes in LTS releases, but you can file a bug report nevertheless, and see what happens.
[19:43] <ubuntu-mate-uer> oerheks yes that's the bug
[19:44] <ubuntu-mate-uer> the bug is already fixed, just not released to kinetc. or is this a bug in itself?
[19:45] <oerheks> i have no clue why it is not backported yet..
[19:46] <ubuntu-mate-uer> ok thank you, I'll try to comment on that bug
[19:46] <tomreyn> ubuntu-mate-uer: this bug is *not* yet fixed in 22.10, if you were referring to this.
[19:46] <tomreyn> you can tag the bug as "affects me" top left
[19:46] <ubuntu-mate-uer> tomreyn but it's fixed in lunar (23.04?)
[19:47] <tomreyn> ubuntu-mate-uer: probably due to a different upstream version?
[19:47] <ubuntu-mate-uer> @tomr
[19:47] <ubuntu-mate-uer> tomreyn yes, lunar uses 1.10.2 which includes the fix
[19:47] <ubuntu-mate-uer> kinetc uses 1.10.0
[19:47] <tomreyn> !info network-manager-openvpn lunar
[19:48] <tomreyn> right, different upstream version
[19:48] <tomreyn> the issue was probably fixed between these upstream releases
[19:49] <tomreyn> but kinetic was released with 1.10.0, so it would require a backported patch which can apply to this version
[19:49] <ubuntu-mate-uer> and is kinetic likely to receive that new upstream version? since it's a patch version (1.10.0 vs 1.10.2) not a feature release
[19:49] <tomreyn> !latest
[19:49] <ubuntu-mate-uer> !backports
[19:50] <tomreyn> this "!backports" factoid may be misleading, i was rather referring to !SRU
[19:50] <ubuntu-mate-uer> !SRU
[19:51] <tomreyn> just that does not necessarily happen for non LTS releases.
[19:52] <ubuntu-mate-uer> ok got it. most likely I'll just stick to the manually installed packed until lunar arrives. will this be automatically resolved when I update my system or will the manually installed package cause issues in the future?
[19:53] <tomreyn> that's a matter of spherical glass inspection
[19:53] <tomreyn> it will probably be ok
[19:53] <morgan-u2> situation: chrome quits.(sarnold, I dont know "log lines that look relevant" - I just quit chrome  because it was basically stopped (took minutes to quit) -- re terminal: the audit lines are mostly something DENIED, as well as a lot of lines from discord. There are lines that are blue and lines that are all in white and IDK the difference. Reminder: from journalctl -f
[19:53] <ubuntu-mate-uer> thanks
[19:54] <tomreyn> ubuntu-mate-uer: ...for this specific package and version upgrade - please don't generalize this
[19:54] <ubuntu-mate-uer> yea sure. I was just curious if a manually installed package always has priority over repository updates
[19:55] <tomreyn> depends on version number, default release, apt pinning / preferences
[19:55] <morgan-u2> and one line in yellow:  it wont copy.  Dec 03 11:54... : kauditd_printk_skb:  116 callboacks suppressed <-- so I type it hee myself.
[19:55] <ubuntu-mate-uer> oh nice, my apt-get upgrade already reports a broken installation with unmet dependencies xD
[19:56] <morgan-u2> sarnold,  and one line in yellow:  it wont copy.  Dec 03 11:54... : kauditd_printk_skb:  116 callboacks suppressed <-- so I type it hee myself.
[19:56] <ubuntu-mate-uer> well, works for now
[19:57] <tomreyn> ubuntu-mate-uer: which unresolved deps are there?
[19:58] <morgan-u2> LOL I cant get to the end of the journal feed. I think it makes output fate than I can scroll forward. That's a wonder.
[19:59] <ubuntu-mate-uer> network-manager-openvpn-gnome depends on = 1.10.0 of network-manager-openvpn (I just installed the latter)
[19:59] <ubuntu-mate-uer> most likely I could fix it by installing network-manager-openvpn-gnome from lunar, too. But I'm a bit afraid to run into a gnome compatibility issue
[19:59] <morgan-u2> wonder? wondergirl here just found the scrollbar and the end. It is a bunch of DENIED.
[20:01] <tomreyn> ubuntu-mate-uer: you could inspect its package description file (in the .deb, in the debian/ directory)
[20:01] <ubuntu-mate-uer> will try :-)
[20:01] <tomreyn> ...and compare to https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[20:01] <tomreyn> unfortunately we have no such web page for lunar, yet
[20:01] <morgan-u2> Anyone why is the journalctl feed giving a bunch of denied requests from discord, and why cnat I copy it from the terminal window.
[20:03] <tomreyn> morgan-u2: discord tends to violate a lot of apparmor restrictions, which is then reported. i can't comment on the second question, but it may berelated to the -f (follow the output) passed to journalctl#
[20:03] <morgan-u2> Anyone why is the journalctl feed giving a bunch of denied requests from discord, and why cant I copy it from the terminal window.
[20:03] <tomreyn> !patience | morgan-u2
[20:05] <morgan-u2> tomreyn, well I quit that window and started a new one. I am not impatient except I kept seeing details I thought shoud be in there. This is the 2..3 year old questio of what is happening when chrome slows and freezes all opeations on this PC - starting with 20;04
[20:06] <oerheks> nobody can tell why, as we dont know what tabs/urls are open?
[20:06] <VIA> FUCKCKCKCKKC
[20:06] <VIA> im late
[20:07] <oerheks> please keep this channel family friendly, VIA
[20:09] <tomreyn> !language | VIA
[20:10] <VIA> wrong window ubottu
[20:10] <VIA> mybad
[20:20] <tomreyn> morgan-u2: you posted an identical line twice, that's why i triggered the factoid. have you tried reproducing this with a software that's available in ubuntu?
[20:24] <explodes> It has been a while since setting up a VM on ubuntu. Is virtual box still a good easy way to get a windows os running on an ubunutu host?
[20:25] <oerheks> no, i would use KVM
[20:26] <explodes> is kvm headless only?
[20:26] <explodes> I do need graphical
[20:26] <oerheks> no, also graphical..
[20:26] <oerheks> !kvm
[20:27] <tomreyn> if you need a user friendly UI, i guess virtualbox is the slightly better of the free options. there are gnome-boxes and virt-manager for KVM, though, which can be ok, too.
[20:27] <explodes> There was a github repo like 5-7 years back that had a CLI for automatically downloading and setting up windows guests for various versions of windows
[20:30] <oerheks> https://www.maketecheasier.com/legally-download-windows-virtual-machine/
[20:31] <oerheks> times have changed
[20:46] <explodes> Dang 90 days and it just resets
[20:47] <oerheks> So? buy a license..
[20:48] <explodes> Well first I need to see if this works; if not I'm going to set up dual booting
[20:48] <explodes> I really should just be going taht route anyway
[20:59] <explodes> amazing that the windows installer cannot format a harddrive to NTFS for you
[21:02] <explodes> So, I'm installing Windows on 1 of a few harddrives on this machine. I assume I can set up Grub on the primary boot partition later and point grub to the existing ubuntu installation, and the new windows installation?
[21:04] <EriC^^> yeah explodes
[21:06] <EriC^^> explodes: you'll want to install ubuntu and windows both in the same mode uefi/legacy
[21:07] <explodes> I just finished installing windows. Changing the BIOS settings to boot on that disk results in booting to blank black termininal with a blinking 1-char underline.
[21:10] <EriC^^> can you boot an ubuntu live usb to troubleshoot?
[21:11] <explodes> I can boot into my  exsiting Ubuntu installation just fine
[21:11] <explodes> What would you have me do?
[21:11] <explodes> The NTFS windows disk is readable just fine, and looks like windows to me
[21:11] <explodes> (from ubuntu)
[21:12] <tomreyn> so, from this channel's point of view, there is no problem, congratulations!
[21:12] <explodes> ex dee
[21:12] <explodes> I did ask the question in ##windows if that would be more appropriate
[21:12] <oerheks> explodes> Dang 90 days and it just resets 🤣
[21:15] <EriC^^> explodes: share the output of 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999'
[21:15] <Billy> so
[21:15] <Billy> Half Moon Bay maritime station is doing some type of propagation test
[21:15] <Billy> on 16.104
[21:16] <explodes>  Why can't I boot this disk as UEFI? Or change a setting? Is that normal or something I'm doing wrong?
[21:16] <leftyfb> !ot | Billy
[21:16] <explodes> EriC^^: ok one second
[21:16] <Billy> holy crap, wrong channel
[21:16] <Billy> i meant to type in the ham radio channel!
[21:16] <Billy> sorry!
[21:16] <explodes> Get hammed
[21:18] <explodes> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/gazp
[21:18] <explodes> /dev/sda is the windows partition
[21:19] <explodes> /dev/nvme0n1 ubuntu
[21:20] <jhutchins> Billy: Which channel is the ham radio channel?
[21:20] <EriC^^> explodes: yeah windows is not booting, it's using a gpt partition table and no efi partition
[21:21] <EriC^^> explodes: you need to install windows in uefi mode
[21:21] <explodes> Ok, I'll retry the install w/ different settings. Don't know what I chose wrong;
[21:22] <EriC^^> explodes: it's a matter of how you boot it, not any settings, you have to boot the installer in that mode
[21:22] <EriC^^> use the boot menu to choose 'uefi usb blabla' to boot it
[21:22] <explodes> I have Ventoy as the disk to load the windows iso, which is being started in UEFI
[21:23] <EriC^^> explodes: aha, try in the installer to make an efi partition and set it to use it
[21:24] <explodes> Only option the install has is a Format option, and now that I had already formatted the drive to NTFS in ubuntu, it is now available
[21:24] <explodes> I'll try using their Format tool and reinstalling there
[21:25] <EriC^^> explodes: yeah, remove the partition you made i.e. sda1 and leave the partition table blank, then let windows fill in its own efi+ntfs
[21:25] <explodes> right right, cool. sounds like this could be it. fingers crossed
[21:25] <EriC^^> it'll probably make 3, 1 being some small reserve thing
[21:26] <explodes> god i hate windows
[21:27] <Guest20> explodes i dont hate it but the installation proces after installing ubuntu makes me wonder life choices
[21:28] <tomreyn> !chat
[21:30] <explodes> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/ffaw
[21:30] <explodes> It is not a UEFI boot disk :/ This past does include the Ventoy flash drive tho
[21:30] <explodes> This paste*
[21:31] <explodes> BIOS recognizes the Ventoy drive as UEFI.
[21:31] <explodes> /dev/sda1 is still labelled as legacy
[21:34] <EriC^^> explodes: yeah, the disk wont be labeled as uefi, you'll(windows) will add it to the motherboard uefi list and point it to the efi partition windows file
[21:35] <explodes> How do I do that if I can't actually boot into windows?
[21:35] <explodes> Or do you mean the installer?
[21:35] <EriC^^> yeah the installer
[21:36] <EriC^^> just delete sda1, boot the usb in uefi mode, in the installer see if it makes an efi partition for you before continuing
[21:36] <explodes> I see a setting in the BIOS: "Windows OS Configuration > BIOS UEFI/CSM Mode: CSM"
[21:36] <EriC^^> csm means legacy
[21:37] <explodes> So, when I boot the installer (boot the Ventoy drive) it _has_ been booting in UEFI mode (as indicated by a U icon in and UEFI prefix in the BIOS)
[21:38] <explodes> Maybe disabling CSM altogether and reinstalling is necessary?
[21:38] <EriC^^> yeah, worth a shot
[21:39] <EriC^^> still do what i mentioned above
[21:39] <explodes> Possible that since "legacy" is detected by the windows installer it doesnt do the UEFI registration step. But I'm just making guesses
[21:40] <EriC^^> *shrug*
[21:40] <alkisg> explodes: did windows install itself to the efi partition? ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:40] <explodes> > see if it makes an efi partition for you before continuing
[21:41] <alkisg> Windows reuses the Ubuntu EFI partition normally,it installs itself there
[21:41] <explodes> When I format the destination, the 250GB drive, it gives no hint that it is efi
[21:41] <alkisg> Yes, it wouldn't
[21:41] <alkisg> It reuses the existing efi on the other disk
[21:41] <EriC^^> explodes: there should be some kind of 'advanced' partitioning menu
[21:41] <explodes> alkisg: I am still able to boot to my ubuntu disk normally when I give that drive boot priority. That means windwos didn't destroy my stuff, right?
[21:42] <explodes> EriC^^: I am in advanced, it gives no indication
[21:42] <alkisg> explodes: boot ubuntu,run the command I said
[21:42] <alkisg> explodes: I think you just need to tell grub to find windows
[21:42] <EriC^^> in any case it's better to let windows have its own efi partition, so its a standalone disk, imho
[21:42] <explodes> alkisg: Even if I can't boot directly windows, you're saying that could work?
[21:43] <alkisg> Windows won't do that unless you remove the ubuntu disk on installation
[21:43] <alkisg> (if I recall correctly, there was an MS article about it)
[21:43] <alkisg> explodes: yes
[21:43] <alkisg> If windows was installed in uefi mode, that is
[21:44] <explodes> Ok after this reinstall I'll paste the above command
[21:44] <alkisg> You're currently reinstalling windows?
[21:44] <explodes> Only positive experience about installing windows is that it is super fast
[21:44] <explodes> alkisg: yes, with CSM disabled
[21:44] <alkisg> If I'm gone, note to set GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false and run update-grub; google that word for more instructions
[21:44] <EriC^^> explodes: it should show you a bunch of partitions like so https://www.ctrl.blog/media/image/windows-setup-550mib-esp.png
[21:45] <EriC^^> not just 1 single primary
[21:45] <explodes> EriC^^: Yep, only shows ONE partition for the destination drive.
[21:46] <EriC^^> you could try pressing new and see if you can add an efi partition first and it uses the rest for the ntfs one
[21:46] <explodes> "New" is disabled
[21:46] <explodes> termbin.com/zefg3
[21:46] <EriC^^> explodes: did you delete all the partitions?
[21:46] <explodes> http://termbin.com/zefg3
[21:47] <explodes> EriC^^: there only was ever one partition on that drive
[21:47] <EriC^^> explodes: yeah, i mean try to delete it, then see if the new button appears
[21:48] <explodes> I mean, I do see /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft now though
[21:48] <explodes> Do you think Grub will just work at this point?
[21:48] <EriC^^> yeah, it's as alkisg mentioned, seems windows used the ubuntu efi partition
[21:48] <explodes> That sonavu...
[21:48] <EriC^^> yeah it should, but if you ever remove the ubuntu disk it wont boot anymore
[21:49] <explodes> Good to know
[21:49] <explodes> Any links for setting up grub from my current state?
[21:49] <alkisg> explodes: so now you've reinstalled windows, it shows grub on boot, and you want to add it as an option to the grub menu?
[21:50] <explodes> I do not have grub on boot, currently
[21:50] <explodes> It just drops right in to ubuntu
[21:50] <alkisg> OK, so hidden grub
[21:50] <explodes> Well maybe there is GRUB but it just skips the UI? idk
[21:50] <EriC^^> explodes: start with trying 'sudo update-grub' to see if it mentions windows
[21:50] <explodes> ok
[21:50] <alkisg> grep -i windows /boot/grub/grub.cfg => does that show anything?
[21:50] <alkisg> Or what eric said
[21:51] <explodes> Should I run `GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false sudo update-grub` or just `sudo update-grub` ?
[21:51] <alkisg> It's like this:
[21:51] <alkisg> sudo -i <enter> echo GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false >/etc/default/grub.d/local.cfg <enter> update-grub
[21:52] <alkisg> And at that point update-grub should mention windows
[21:52] <explodes> looks like it added windows.
[21:53] <explodes> is grub automatically unhidden now?
[21:53] <explodes> (rebooting!)
[21:53] <alkisg> It should be; if not, come back for another option :)
[21:54] <explodes> Sweet. Grub showed up and I'm in windows
[21:54] <explodes> Thank you both very much
[21:54] <alkisg> 👍
[21:55] <explodes> Could I create a partition on my windows disk, copy the EFI stuff over, and update grub to load windows from that partition?
[21:55] <explodes> that way windows and ubuntu are actually independent, save for grub?
[21:55] <explodes> nvm nvm that sounds like a pain
[21:56] <alkisg> Windows it a bit weird regarding changes, you might need to use bcdedit and rebuild its boot options
[21:56] <alkisg> I'd suggest removing the ubuntu disk and reinstalling if the goal is separate disks
[21:56] <EriC^^> explodes: just remove the ubuntu disk temporarily and reinstall windows
[21:57] <alkisg> Also note that in uefi you can press f12 and boot windows from the ...bios boot manager, before  getting to grub
[21:57] <explodes> and run update-grub, with GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false, and it will Just Work?
[21:57] <alkisg> I.e. even before you did the GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false change
[21:58] <alkisg> I'm not sure if grub will be able to boot windows from the other efi; at that point you might need to use f12 > bios boot manager all the time, or create a custom grub entry, not sure
[21:58] <EriC^^> explodes: you could try to create the efi partition from ubuntu manually on the windowws disk and see if windows uses it instead
[21:59] <alkisg> Or do the opposite: remove the ubuntu disk. reinstall windows, tell it to wipe the first disk; it will create an efi partition. Then move ubuntu's grub to the first disk if it's ever needed, as moving ubuntu's grub is a whole lot easier
[22:02] <explodes> So fun. The mobo wifi isn't working and sound is only coming from the subwoofer, not the main speakers
[22:23] <explodes> thanks again!!
 morgan-u2: you posted an identical line twice, <<I added a person's name>>  have you tried reproducing THIS with a software that's available in ubuntu?   - - What was THIS? SOrry I got lost on it.
[23:59] <tomreyn> !irclogs | morgan-u2


[01:31] <kristian-aalborg> I'm moving a ton of files via scp... now it's going back to a folder it already moved?
[01:32] <kristian-aalborg> copying, that is
[01:32] <kristian-aalborg> also, the order seems... random?
[01:33] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: music box almost up and running :)
[02:27] <SkrappJaw> hp printer issues
[02:52] <Guest460372> i have had good luck with tcp/ip printers, but other printers have taken some tinkering to get working
[08:19] <fds2> I've swapped mainboard from my machine and got to the CLI using edited GRUB2 menu, but how do I bring up the Xwindow?
[08:20] <Abhijit> fds2, startx
[08:32] <fds2> Abhijit: "FATAL: nvidia not found." Fatal server error: no screens found.  Currently, I am booted under onboard video (but video is nvida AGP).   How do I tell it to forget about nvidia?
[08:33] <Abhijit> fds2, no idea
[08:33] <fds2> ok ty
[11:22] <tdn> How do I make the multitouch touchpad work on a Mac Book Pro?
[11:22] <tdn> I have tried following instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-1/Natty#15-inch and 17-inch
[11:23] <tdn> I have just installed Ubuntu on a new MacBook Pro. In the lower right cornor there is an AMD logo saying Unsuoported hardware. How do I get rid og this? Also, how to I make wlan work?
[11:45] <bioterror> use OS X and Fink/Mac ports
[11:45] <bioterror> I dont pay huge ammount of money for bentley and put 1.4 l polo motor inside it
[11:57] <tdn> bioterror, fink?
[11:58] <kristian-aalborg> hi
[12:03] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, setfont command not working .
[12:03] <kristian-aalborg> all I get is "cannot find default font"
[12:32] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, found a workaround... but still odd, never seen something like that
[12:50] <suprengr> Going back to AlanBell's comment & this weeks podcast - I quote from weather forecast... "Temperature: 10°C (50°F), Wind Direction: SW, Wind Speed: 10mph, Relative Humidity: 95%, Pressure: 1013mb, rising, Visibility: Very good" ... was the weather forecast using PornView?
[12:51] <suprengr> ;)
[12:51] <suprengr> ... o/ peeps
[15:30] <malvin> hello
[15:30] <malvin> can some one please help me
[15:30] <IAmNotThatGuy> !ask malvin
[15:30] <ubot2> Factoid 'ask malvin' not found
[15:31] <IAmNotThatGuy> !ask | malvin
[15:31] <ubot2> malvin: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[15:31]  * IAmNotThatGuy is getting some memory loss these days
[15:31] <malvin> i have a touchpad problem
[15:33] <IAmNotThatGuy> malvin, what happens?
[15:40] <malvin> hello sorry my internet stoped, so as i said i have a tuchpad problem, when i used the live version of the ubuntu netboot 10.10 the tuchpad worked just fine, but now afther i installed it is not working any more so i have to use a mouse.   PS im really new to ubuntu just a few minutes old , and i have a small netbook an acer aspire one a110\
[15:41] <malvin> ...?
[15:42] <holstein> malvin: i would check for a hardware switch
[15:42] <malvin> ok and that means sorry im really new to these
[15:42] <malvin> the tuchpad works but left click doesent work and not even the tap click
[15:46] <MrChrisDruif> malvin: holstein means a button on your Acer to turn you mousepad on or off
[15:46] <holstein> malvin: i would upgrad
[15:46] <holstein> upgrade
[15:46] <holstein> get all updates
[15:46] <holstein> and check again after rebooting
[17:52] <gwark> Hi, I am having some problems with installing Ubuntu 10.10 and am looking for some help
[17:54] <holstein> gwark: do tell..
[17:54] <gwark> thanks.  The installer fails to install a boot loader.
[17:54] <gwark> this is a re-install, and it worked before
[17:54] <Guest43956> hi guys. need help with connecting to a wifi network. any help welcome. i'm using ubuntu 10.10 maverick meerkat on a samsung n510 netbook
[17:54] <holstein> !grub2
[17:54] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[17:55] <gwark> target is a 20GB partition /dev/sda1
[17:55] <holstein> gwark: maybe try restoring grub
[17:55] <gwark> there are no other partitions / oses involved
[17:55] <holstein> the way i do it
[17:55] <holstein> if i already have linux installed
[17:55] <holstein> i usually dont install grub
[17:55] <holstein> for example
[17:55] <gwark> I wiped the drive first
[17:55] <holstein> i have 10.04 installed
[17:55] <holstein> and i installed 10.10 and 11.04
[17:55] <holstein> without grub
[17:55] <holstein> when i go back to 10.04
[17:56] <gwark> new partition table, new partition, new fs ext4
[17:56] <holstein> i run sudo update-grub
[17:56] <holstein> and that grub picks up the new installations
[17:56] <holstein> Guest43956: can you plug it into wired internet?
[17:56] <gwark> I even tried dding /dev/zero to the first 4MB of /dev/sda to make sure it was clean.  This is my third attempt
[17:56] <holstein> and see if there are proprietary drivers
[17:56] <holstein> ?
[17:56] <holstein> that can be installed
[17:57] <Guest43956> yeah, I'm currently online via wire network
[17:57] <holstein> gwark: have you tried not installing grub
[17:57] <holstein> and restoring it via live CD ?
[17:57] <Guest43956> holstein i'm using wicd 1.7.0 by the way
[17:57] <gwark> I'm booted in via a USB pen install right now, so I can do anything to the drive you'd like me to try
[17:58] <holstein> gwark: try reading that page about recovering grub
[17:58] <holstein> see if that works for you
[17:58] <holstein> i find https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 very informative
[17:58] <holstein> Guest43956: i dont use wicd
[17:59] <holstein> did the normal gnome network tools not work?
[17:59] <holstein> is it driver related?
[17:59] <holstein> or did you just prefer wicd?
[18:00] <Guest43956> holstein: well, first I uninstalled network-manager, because wifi didn't work, so I changed to wicd, but the problem remains
[18:00] <gwark> holstein: assuming I can make grub work manually, I still have the problem that the ubuntu installer doesn't continue
[18:00] <gwark> I'm at a menu that says: "Bootloader install failed".  It says "How would you like to proceed", there are 3 options.  I can choose "Continue without a bootloader".  But when I press the "OK" button, nothing happens.
[18:01] <holstein> Guest43956: i would try troubleshooting the issue as if it were a driver issue
[18:01] <holstein> since the network tool provided works
[18:01] <holstein> just not with your specific hardware
[18:01] <gwark> in fact, it appears nothing in this UI works.  I can't even close this dialog, nor do any of the options work.
[18:01] <Guest43956> holstein: I'm a ubuntu newbie, so I don't know much about installing or reconfiguring drivers in ubuntu. do you think it is a driver problem? do you know how to reset the drivers of the ethernet card?
[18:01] <holstein> gwark: i would not install grub there, and try moving on
[18:02] <holstein> double check the md5 sum
[18:02] <gwark> I don't know what "try moving on" means?  The UI does not advance.
[18:02] <holstein> make sure the disc burn is good
[18:02] <holstein> gwark: trying other things
[18:02] <holstein> like the above suggestions
[18:02] <holstein> about the disc integretiy
[18:02] <gwark> I'll try rebuilding the flash drive
[18:02] <Guest43956> holstein: the netbook was delivered with windows 7, but I uninstalled it and changed to ubuntu. maybe that's the source of the problem? wifi worked when running windows
[18:02] <holstein> i usually format
[18:02] <holstein> clean
[18:02] <holstein> and use unetbootin
[18:03] <holstein> Guest43956: the issue is
[18:03] <holstein> you probably dont have driver support
[18:03] <holstein> just like in windows7
[18:03] <holstein> it does not "come" with support for your wireless hardware
[18:03] <holstein> when possible
[18:03] <holstein> ubuntu and other linux distrobutions
[18:03] <holstein> provide driver support out of the box
[18:04] <holstein> but, with some WIFI devices
[18:04] <holstein> such as broadcom
[18:04] <holstein> they *cannot* be provided
[18:04] <holstein> Guest43956: im just suggesting that changing network tools is not going to help
[18:04] <holstein> you probably have a broadcom chip or something else tricky to configure
[18:04] <holstein> you can run in a terminal
[18:04] <holstein> lspci
[18:05] <Guest43956> holstein: ok just a sec
[18:05] <holstein> and see what the wireless device is
[18:05] <holstein> and then google
[18:05] <holstein> ubuntu whatever wireless device
[18:05] <holstein> and probably find lots of information about bugs
[18:05] <holstein> or how-to's
[18:05] <holstein> or how-not-to's ;)
[18:06] <Guest43956> holstein: alright, it's a RTL8192E Wireless LAN Controller
[18:06] <Guest43956> holstein: so I need the ubuntu-adapted drivers for this controller?
[18:06] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1359808
[18:06] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/550043
[18:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 550043 in linux "Dosn't work Wireless RTL8192E at TOSHIBA satellite U505 in the Ubuntu 10.04 beta1" [Undecided,Expired]
[18:06] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/674663
[18:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 674663 in linux "RTL8192E wireless no longer works after first update to 10.10 [rtl819xE:ERR in init_firmware()]" [High,In progress]
[18:07] <holstein> ^ id say those are a good place to start
[18:07] <holstein> Guest43956: im just saying switching to wicd
[18:07] <holstein> or whatever
[18:07] <holstein> wont help
[18:07] <holstein> if you dont address the main issue
[18:08] <Guest43956> holstein: that's understood.
[18:08] <holstein> you can also try the windows driver for it
[18:08] <holstein> thats easy enough
[18:08] <beta0x64> Guest43956, I had this error
[18:09] <beta0x64> I overcame it with wicd and the latest realtek drivers.
[18:09] <holstein> beta0x64: how did you deal?
[18:09] <holstein> cool :)
[18:09] <holstein> there you go Guest43956 ^
[18:09] <beta0x64> It worked for a while with network-manager
[18:09] <beta0x64> let me check my drivers.
[18:09] <Guest43956> holstein:_ thank you for help. i'll download the windows driver and run it through ndiswrapper
[18:09] <Guest43956> beta0x64: let me hear :-)
[18:10] <holstein> Guest43956: or do what beta0x64 is suggesting
[18:10] <holstein> since beta0x64 has the hardware
[18:10] <beta0x64> my realtek in the release notes is: Release driver version = 0002.0320.2009
[18:10] <beta0x64> I have rtl8192SE
[18:10] <beta0x64> it is not correctly recognized by lspci I think
[18:11] <Guest43956> beta0x64 uhu. so you have a different card
[18:11] <beta0x64> are you sure it is rtl8192E or rtl8192se?
[18:12] <beta0x64> mine is recognized in lspci as rtl8191seva
[18:12] <beta0x64> but it's not...
[18:12] <Guest43956> its rtl8192e for sure
[18:12] <Guest43956> at least this is what lspci tells me
[18:12] <beta0x64> I always recommend downloading the firmware from realtek. it stopped working a week or two ago. I ended up installing wicd and reinstalling the driver
[18:13] <Guest43956> i guess realtek doesn't have ubuntu drivers for the card? so I need ndiswrapper, correct?
[18:14] <beta0x64> that wasn't my case. they had drivers but they were old.
[18:14] <beta0x64> I don't have ndiswrapper running. I have ubuntu 10.10, realtek drivers, wicd installed.
[18:15] <Guest43956> and the drivers work although they're old?
[18:16] <beta0x64> for me, yes.
[18:16] <beta0x64> some people were even saying that it was power management shuttnig it off.
[18:16] <beta0x64> my problem was that I would be connected for about 15 minutes, then it would fail.
[18:17] <beta0x64> this was only after restarting into windows (ew) and connecting then rebooting into ubuntu
[18:17] <Guest43956> i understand. i'm on the realtek website right nox, looking for the driver
[18:17] <beta0x64> do you want me to upload the ones that I used?
[18:17] <Guest43956> that would be even better
[18:19] <beta0x64> one moment. I have no guarantee on these btw
[18:19] <beta0x64> http://ubuntuone.com/p/kk2/
[18:20] <Guest43956> that's alright. how can I install them btw? via terminal? unfortunately I have no experience in installing programs in ubuntu
[18:20] <beta0x64> one minute
[18:22] <beta0x64> well assuming that these are your drivers...
[18:22] <beta0x64> open the terminal, travel to where you saved it.
[18:23] <Guest43956> alright. downloaded it. how can i travel to the directory?
[18:23] <beta0x64> open the terminal. type in these commands.
[18:23] <beta0x64> cd ~/Downloads
[18:24] <beta0x64> tar -xvf rtl8192 (now hit tab, that will complete the filename for you)
[18:24] <beta0x64> without the space btw
[18:24] <Guest43956> command not found
[18:24] <beta0x64> what is the command not found?
[18:25] <beta0x64> tar -xvf rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0010.1211.2009.tar.gz
[18:25] <Guest43956> cd: /home/joerg/downloads: file or directory not found
[18:25] <beta0x64> capital D
[18:26] <beta0x64> cd ~/Downloads
[18:26] <Guest43956> uh, ok
[18:26] <Guest43956> worked
[18:26] <beta0x64> did you do tar -xvf yet?
[18:27] <Guest43956> doing it right now. having problems with strg-c and -v ;-)
[18:27] <Guest43956> ctrl-c
[18:29] <Guest43956> couldn't execute read
[18:30] <Guest43956> I'm translating btw. system language is german
[18:30] <beta0x64> okay
[18:31] <beta0x64> tar -xvf rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0010.1211.2009.tar.gz
[18:31] <beta0x64> that should work, really.
[18:32] <Guest43956> worked
[18:32] <Guest43956> and now?
[18:33] <beta0x64> cd rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0010.1211.2009
[18:34] <Guest43956> done
[18:34] <beta0x64> okay
[18:34] <beta0x64> after you run these commands you will get a bunch of text
[18:35] <beta0x64> this is the process of making the drivers then installing them
[18:35] <beta0x64> type in this
[18:35] <Guest43956> ok
[18:35] <beta0x64> make
[18:35] <beta0x64> then I think you have to be root for make install
[18:36] <Guest43956> entering directory...
[18:36] <beta0x64> it's working
[18:36] <beta0x64> it'll tell you errors at the end before it breaks if something is wrong
[18:37] <Guest43956> ok
[18:37] <Guest43956> left the directory. where can I see the errors?
[18:38] <beta0x64> it would say in between brackets [Error .. blah blah blah
[18:38] <Guest43956> uh ok. just a sec
[18:38] <beta0x64> it'd be kinda obvious I think but look over the end part
[18:38] <Guest43956> /home/joerg/Downloads/rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0010.1211.2009/HAL/rtl8192/r8192S_phy.c: In function ‘rtl8192_phy_setTxPower’:
[18:38] <Guest43956> /home/joerg/Downloads/rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0010.1211.2009/HAL/rtl8192/r8192S_phy.c:1785: warning: enumeration value ‘RF_TYPE_MIN’ not handled in switch
[18:38] <Guest43956> /home/joerg/Downloads/rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0010.1211.2009/HAL/rtl8192/r8192S_phy.c:1785: warning: enumeration value ‘RF_PSEUDO_11N’ not handled in switch
[18:39] <Guest43956> these are the lines that look "unusual" to me
[18:39] <beta0x64> nope
[18:39] <Guest43956> at the end it says
[18:39] <beta0x64> warnings are okay
[18:39] <beta0x64> errors ar ebad
[18:39] <beta0x64> are*
[18:39] <Guest43956>  Building modules, stage 2.
[18:39] <Guest43956>   MODPOST 1 modules
[18:39] <Guest43956>   CC      /home/joerg/Downloads/rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0010.1211.2009/HAL/rtl8192/r8192se_pci.mod.o
[18:39] <Guest43956>   LD [M]  /home/joerg/Downloads/rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0010.1211.2009/HAL/rtl8192/r8192se_pci.ko
[18:39] <Guest43956> these are the last 4 lines
[18:39] <beta0x64> it's good then
[18:39] <Guest43956> alright.
[18:40] <beta0x64> now I think you should become root.
[18:40] <Guest43956> joerg@joerg-N510:~/Downloads/rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0010.1211.2009$
[18:40] <Guest43956> this is the line I'm in at the moment
[18:40] <beta0x64> type this in:
[18:40] <beta0x64> sudo su -
[18:40] <beta0x64> then your password
[18:41] <Guest43956> root@joerg-N510:~#
[18:41] <Guest43956> is where i'm now
[18:42] <beta0x64> cd /home/joerg/Downloads/rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0010.1211.2009
[18:42] <beta0x64> make install
[18:43] <Guest43956> it seems to work
[18:43] <beta0x64> now you have to restart
[18:43] <beta0x64> as root, type
[18:43] <beta0x64> reboot
[18:43] <beta0x64> AFTER you save
[18:44] <Guest43956> save what?
[18:44] <beta0x64> whatever you are doing. I dont want you to lose any files or anything. close out of all your programs and restart
[18:44] <beta0x64> then see if it works with wicd now
[18:45] <pavanai>  i got struck while booting to ubuntu ultimate edition 2.8
[18:46] <Guest43956> alright. I'll be back in a minute. if not, I'll probably be surfing via wifi ;-) thank you very much for your patience and help. you rescued my day.
[18:46] <beta0x64> we'll see!
[18:47] <beta0x64> have a good one, hopefully
[18:47] <Guest43956> thx. bye
[18:48] <pavanai> help me!!!!!
[18:49] <beta0x64> what's wrong pavanai ?
[18:49] <Abhijit> pavanai, ultimate edition is not supported
[18:50] <beta0x64> hi Joerg.
[18:51] <Guest19025> hi. it tried to connect to my preferred wifi, but it said: "wrong password" this is a problem I've already experienced. but after that, it still can't find a wifi network
[18:51] <beta0x64> strange.
[18:51] <beta0x64> you can't search for any wifi network?
[18:51] <Guest19025> password is correct. it also didn't work when I turned off wpa
[18:51] <Guest19025> nope
[18:52] <pavanai> beta0x64, after showing the logo of ue 2.8 no progress
[18:52] <beta0x64> hmmm.
[18:52] <pavanai> Abhijit, do u hav a solution?
[18:53] <charlie-tca> pavanai: exactly why ultimate edition is not supported. Do they have any support anywhere?
[18:53] <Abhijit> pavanai, i dont have solution. and ultimate edition is not supported here
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Otherwise, you could download and install the real Ubuntu release
[18:55] <pavanai> charlie-tca, everybdy says d same NOT SUPPORTED.....but ver shud i go 4 support?
[18:55] <charlie-tca> You have to read their docs where you got it from. Ubuntu does not support Ultimate Edition because it does not work!
[18:56] <pavanai> ok thnx
[18:56] <charlie-tca> You will not get support for it in any #ubuntu- channel
[18:56] <Abhijit> pavanai, read their homepage
[18:56] <Abhijit> pavanai, they have all info about irc channel, forum, etc everything is there in their homepage
[18:57] <pavanai> Abhijit, thnx a lot
[18:57] <charlie-tca> Even after you get it installed, it will not be supported by Ubuntu
[18:58] <Guest19025> beta0x64: no idea?
[18:58] <pavanai> charlie-tca, how to setup a local repository on a network?
[18:58] <charlie-tca> don't know
[19:00] <pavanai> ok
[19:27] <gwark> holstein: clean install of the OS from a new pen drive didn't work.
[19:27] <gwark> same problem.  RMA'ing the box
[19:27] <gwark> thanks for the help
[20:46] <hillary_> I just installed Ubuntu, and my monitor is blurring everything. Can anyone tell me a possible reason for this and how to solve it?
[20:48] <hillary_> To be more specific, my display has offset horizontal stripes that are moving and shaking constantly.
[20:50] <real> can some1 help me with ati drivers?
[20:50] <holstein> hillary_: you might just have one of those tricky graphics card
[20:50] <holstein> cards*
[20:50] <holstein> i would probably try a custom xorg.conf
[20:51] <holstein> sometimes i try knoppix live
[20:51] <hillary_> ok
[20:51] <holstein> and steal the xorg from it
[20:51] <hillary_> can you ecplain how to do that?
[20:51] <holstein> real: in what way?
[20:51] <real> alright so when I download the default drivers from ubuntu download manager or something ubuntu wont boot up I had to go into the manager and uninstall it to get it to work
[20:51] <real> my monitor supports 1920X1080 res but ubuntu only supports 160x1200
[20:51] <holstein> hillary_: it really depends on your hardware
[20:51] <holstein> hillary_: have you installed yet?
[20:52] <real> and whne i tried the drivers from amd's site it says the format isnt recognized and they wont install
[20:52] <hillary_> Yes I have.
[20:52] <holstein> you can try some things with a live CD
[20:52] <holstein> hillary_: also, update if you can
[20:52] <holstein> use control+alt+F2
[20:53] <holstein> login
[20:53] <holstein> and do sudo apt-get update
[20:53] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrage
[20:53] <holstein> upgrade*
[20:53] <hillary_> thanks
[20:53] <holstein> IF you still have problems after upgrading
[20:54] <holstein> you can experiment with other things
[20:54] <holstein> like vesa driver
[20:54] <real> anyone have any ideas for my problem :(
[20:54] <holstein> real: what drivers are you trying to download?
[20:54] <holstein> the windows drivers?
[20:54] <real> ati drivers
[20:55] <real> for my gpu
[20:55] <real> so i can display my native res
[20:55] <holstein> right
[20:55] <holstein> for linux?
[20:55] <real> yes
[20:55] <real> my monitor is 1920x1080
[20:55] <holstein> yeah
[20:55] <holstein> i get that
[20:55] <holstein> can you link me to the drivers?
[20:55] <real> k holdon
[20:56] <real> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=<IP_ADDRESS>.42&lang=English
[20:57] <holstein> real: youve read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ?
[20:57] <real> no i didnt know that existed
[20:58] <real> yea i already had the fglrx driver
[20:58] <real> it made ubuntu crash
[20:58] <real> i had to uninstall it
[21:00] <holstein> real: be sure you google around for bugs related to your specific hardware
[21:00] <holstein> that can be helpful
[21:01] <real> driver manager says the fglrx driver is working but when i type in fglrx in terminal it says it isnt l
[21:13] <real> sudo sh ati-driver-installer-11-2-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/maverick
[21:13] <real> does any1 know how to fix that
[21:13] <real> sh: Can't open ati-driver-installer-11-2-x86.x86_64.run
[21:13] <real> i mean that
[21:13] <holstein> real: thats the package you downloaded right?
[21:15] <real> accidently clicked something, so did anyone answer?
[21:15] <holstein> real: thats the package you downloaded right?
[21:15] <real> yes
[21:16] <real> from ati site
[21:16] <real> it cant run it
[21:16] <holstein> i would try and trouble shoot the ubuntu packaged version
[21:16] <real> ?????
[21:16] <holstein> the one in the repos
[21:16] <holstein> that didnt work for you
[21:16] <real> i had ubuntu for the past hour i have no idea what any of that means lol
[21:16] <holstein> ubuntu packages that driver
[21:17] <holstein> and its probably an older one
[21:17] <holstein> but, its still the one the kernel *should* be expecting
[21:17] <holstein> and other packages in ubuntu
[21:17] <real> hm
[21:17] <real> when i had that one and started ubuntu it crashed
[21:17] <real> etc
[21:18] <holstein> right
[21:18] <holstein> have you searched for a related bug report?
[21:18] <holstein> are your pacakges up to date?
[21:19] <real> ye
[21:19] <real> alright i think i got it
[21:19] <real> i gave it permission to run as a program
[21:19] <real> and its working'
[21:19] <holstein> cool
[21:19] <holstein> i usually try and go with whats in the repos
[21:19] <holstein> when possible
[21:19] <real> holstein do u have a link to a guide about ubuntu
[21:19] <real> cause its hard to understand what ur saying lol
[21:20] <holstein> this is the guide you should read fully
[21:20] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[21:20] <holstein> real: you can always just ask about what you dont understand
[21:20] <real> repos packages everything
[21:21] <holstein> what im trying to suggest is that it could be better to *not* use the driver you are downloading
[21:21] <holstein> but, you can always undo what you are doing
[21:21] <holstein> in theory
[21:21] <holstein> so go for it
[21:21] <real> yea
[21:21] <holstein> you're at the beginning here, so worst case, you reinstall
[21:21] <real> lol
[21:27] <fds2> I've dropped my HD into a different mainboard, Ubuntu stalled upon startup, so I'd like to wipe and reinstall (using Natty beta).  However, I'd like to copy /home from the system partition to another partition from the CLI.  Been reading several websites, still not sure of the steps.  Can anyone help?
[21:27] <holstein> fds2: can you go back to the other machine?
[21:27] <holstein> maybe its just the graphics driver?
[21:27] <holstein> or some other customization making it not boot
[21:28] <holstein> anyways, if i were you, i would just get a live cd
[21:28] <holstein> and copy in the GUI
[21:28] <holstein> if thats what you are used to seeing
[21:28] <holstein> if not, just google command line commands
[21:48] <Guest61407> hi guys. can someone help me with a wifi issue?
[21:48] <fds2> holstein: booted to Natty beta LiveCD, cannot copy home folder because I do not have permissions to read it
[21:55] <Guest61407> realtek rtl8192e won't detect any wireless networks after installing linux driver. any suggestions?
[22:20] <malvin> hello i need some help after i installed the ubuntu netbook 10.10 updates my touchpad stopt working, i have a acer aspire one the a110 model, can some one help me...?
[22:23] <malvin> hello i need some help after i installed the ubuntu netbook 10.10 updates my touchpad stopt working, i have a acer aspire one the a110 model, can some one help me...? ps im a rooky
[22:28] <bioterror> malvin, fn+f7
[22:28] <bioterror> does it work after that key combination
[22:28] <malvin> it doesent work
[22:28] <malvin> no:'(
[22:28] <malvin> it shows that it is activated but not working
[22:29] <malvin> what can i do to fix these problem..?
[22:30] <bioterror> boot from CD or USB and check if it works there
[22:31] <malvin> yes it worked..
[22:32] <malvin> it worked before the install and the updates
[22:32] <malvin> but now not even that..?
[22:35] <malvin> im really new to linux you can say that im 5 hours  old to it
[22:36] <bioterror> 5 hours
[22:37] <malvin> yea i want to get rid of windows
[22:38] <malvin> can you help me....?
[22:39] <bioterror> wonderng which could cause the problem
[22:39] <MrChrisDruif> ...I'm not gonna say what I'm thinking :D
[22:39] <malvin> do you have skype....?
[22:40] <bioterror> I have skype on my phone :D
[22:40] <malvin> please help me if you can
[22:40] <bioterror> I can chat with it
[22:40] <malvin> ...
[22:40] <MrChrisDruif> What did you try so far malvin?
[22:40] <malvin> whel
[22:40] <malvin> i have an acer aspire one a110
[22:40] <malvin> it had his ssd broken
[22:41] <malvin> so now i instaled ubuntu netbook 10.10 on a flash drive
[22:41] <malvin> it worked perfectly wen it was in live mode
[22:41] <malvin> but now the touchpad stoepd working afther i insstaled the updates
[22:42] <MrChrisDruif> If the SSD is really broken, then there isn't much you can do other then swapping the SSD
[22:42] <bioterror> probably a kernel update broke it
[22:43] <malvin> how can i check that..?
[22:43] <malvin> or better said how can i fix it..?
[22:44] <malvin> yea i know
[22:45] <malvin> but honestly im not able to do that
[22:48] <bioterror> malvin, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[22:48] <MrChrisDruif> That might also be a good idea
[22:49] <malvin> these i have to type in an terminal right
[22:49] <bioterror> I would suggest to do that, yes
[22:50] <bioterror> hmmm
[22:50] <bioterror> do we really have +5C outside
[22:51] <malvin> ok i did that
[22:51] <malvin> and it instaled
[22:51] <bioterror> did it install it
[22:51] <malvin> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[22:52] <malvin> Reading package lists... Done
[22:52] <malvin> Building dependency tree
[22:52] <malvin> Reading state information... Done
[22:52] <malvin> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is already the newest version.
[22:52] <malvin> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[22:52] <malvin>   linux-headers-2.6.35-22 linux-headers-2.6.35-22-generic
[22:52] <malvin> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[22:52] <malvin> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:52] <bioterror> hoho
[22:52] <bioterror> can you choose from the boot menu that kernel 2.6.35-22?
[22:52] <malvin> ....?
[22:53] <malvin> can some one explain to me step buy step how i have to do that...?
[22:53] <MrChrisDruif> The grub I mentioned malvin
[22:53] <malvin> or em i asking to much
[22:53] <MrChrisDruif> I just can't remember how to get there
[22:53] <bioterror> press shift during boot
[22:54] <bioterror> right after the BIOS
[22:54] <malvin> yes
[22:54] <malvin> and then..?
[22:54] <bioterror> choose older kernel
[22:54] <malvin> is there an old list
[22:54] <malvin> or how
[22:54] <bioterror> well
[22:55] <bioterror> I'm off to bed, it's 00:55 and i have to get up 06:00
[22:55] <bioterror> someone else will continue from here on
[22:55] <bioterror> maybe our american friends
[22:55] <malvin> im from romania
[22:55] <MrChrisDruif> Or your Dutch friend. I'll try for a while bioterror
[22:56] <bioterror> yeah
[22:56] <malvin> uhu
[22:56] <bioterror> I tried to write job application email, but lack of motivation :D
[22:57] <MrChrisDruif> Not motivated to get a new job bioterror?
[22:57] <bioterror> or write about myself :D
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> So malvin: you press shift after/during bios so you get to a selection screen with installed kernels :)
[23:01] <malvin> ok
[23:01] <malvin> and then
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> And just select the oldest kernel (lowest number) in the list
[23:01] <malvin> .....
[23:01] <malvin> aa
[23:02] <malvin> and if that works
[23:02] <malvin> it is dome
[23:02] <malvin> right...?
[23:02] <MrChrisDruif> Then should the mousepad be working. At least I hope :)
[23:02] <malvin> ok
[23:02] <malvin> so brb then
[23:02] <malvin> i will see you right
[23:02] <malvin> or you have to go....
[23:03] <malvin> MrCrisDruif: wiill you still be here afther i tried to select the old kernel
[23:03] <MrChrisDruif> I'll try :)
[23:04] <malvin> ok
[23:04] <MrChrisDruif> It's just been midnight here
[23:12] <malvin> MrCrisDruift: nop stil now working :'(
[23:15] <MrChrisDruif> Alright..
[23:15] <MrChrisDruif> Did it ever work when installed?
[23:17] <malvin> no
[23:17] <malvin> it worked
[23:17] <malvin> but not clicking
[23:17] <malvin> and thous things
[23:17] <malvin> it just moved
[23:17] <malvin> but now not even that
[23:19] <MrChrisDruif> Did you select update while installing?
[23:19] <malvin> no
[23:19] <malvin> i instaled afther
[23:20] <malvin> the updates
[23:20] <MrChrisDruif> You installed after the updates?
[23:20] <malvin> yea
[23:20] <MrChrisDruif> So you first updated and then installed?
[23:21] <malvin> nop i instaled ubuntu
[23:21] <malvin> the left click didnt work
[23:21] <malvin> not even the double tap
[23:21] <malvin> so i did the updates
[23:23] <MrChrisDruif> And then nothing worked?
[23:28] <MrChrisDruif> malvin: Isn't it ~1:30 at your timezone?
[23:28] <malvin> yea
[23:29] <malvin> yes afther then nothing worked
[23:29] <MrChrisDruif> Wouldn't it be best if you tried again tomorrow? It seems you and bioterror are in the same timezone
[23:29] <malvin> i dont know ususly when i want to get some thing done i dont stop
[23:30] <malvin> but if you think these is the best solution
[23:30] <malvin> i will do that
[23:31] <MrChrisDruif> It's your own decision of course :)
[23:31] <MrChrisDruif> But I'm at a loss, I don't know what else you could try
[23:31] <malvin> do you know some one alce who can help me
[23:32] <MrChrisDruif> Well, in general anyone in this room should be able to help, if he/she knows what to do :)
[23:32] <malvin> in linus isent these some thing like remote desktop so some one could take a look at my pc and work with it
[23:32] <MrChrisDruif> You could also try in #ubuntu, but it's hectic over there :)
[23:32] <malvin> i know
[23:32] <malvin> i realised
[23:33] <malvin> i tried for 1 hour but no one said nothing
[23:33] <MrChrisDruif> In that channel it might be better to pull someone in private channel when they respond, otherwise you might miss what's being said to you
[23:33] <malvin> ook
[23:34] <malvin> how should i put the question
[23:34] <MrChrisDruif> Something like this:
[23:34] <malvin> because now you know better what is my problem
[23:35] <malvin> .....
[23:37] <holstein> fds2: you'll have to sudo
[23:38] <holstein> gksudo nautilus if you want *should work
[23:39] <MrChrisDruif> Hai everyone: I've got a mousepad issue on my Acer Aspire A110. With the livecd of the netbook edition everything worked, but after installation my left mouse button and double tap didn't work. After updating my entire mouse stopped working. I've tried installing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, but it was up-to-date. I also tried booting to an older kernel, but that didn't work either. Does anybody know what else I can try?
[23:39] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry, had to formulate your question :)
[23:39] <malvin> ok thx
[23:40] <malvin> thx chris
[23:41] <holstein> malvin: are you up to date?
[23:41] <holstein> with upgrades?
[23:41] <malvin> yes
[23:41] <holstein> malvin: try booting in with just gnome
[23:42] <malvin> what is that
[23:43] <holstein> the normal desktop mode
[23:43] <holstein> without the netbook remix
[23:43] <malvin> is it a netbook remix these one
[23:44] <holstein> yeah
[23:44] <holstein> i have all kinds of netbooks *not* running the netbook remix
[23:44] <malvin> so netbook 10.10 is a remix version
[23:44] <malvin> ...?
[23:44] <holstein> but, thats a seperate suggestion
[23:45] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1600177
[23:45] <MrChrisDruif> malvin: Yes, it's unity instead of gnome
[23:45] <holstein> looks like you are not alone
[23:46] <holstein> this might be relevant http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne#Touchpad


[12:04] <tonio_> ok
[12:04] <jrib> alright
[12:04] <jrib> try 'nspluginwrapper -a -i -v'
[12:05] <tonio_> how did ubuntu work about upgrade,n is something like urpmi exist  and soft database exist ?
[12:05] <jrib> !upgrade
[12:05] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:05] <tonio_> w8t, downloading the files
[12:05] <jrib> you get security updates and every 6 months you can upgrade to the latest stable release
[12:05] <tonio_> ok
[12:06] <tonio_> i typre nspluginwrapper -a -i -v
[12:06] <tonio_> no output
[12:07] <jrib> it probably worked then
[12:07] <jrib> restart your browser and visit badgerbadgerbadger.com
[12:10] <tonio_> cool it work !!
[12:10] <jrib> great
[12:11] <tonio_> nice guy !!!!
[12:11] <tonio_> cool*
[12:11] <tonio_> i do a test with blender , with and AMD x2 64 3800.....
[12:11] <tonio_> slower than my sgi..... :)
[12:12] <tonio_> 4m25....with my bench scene
[12:12] <jrib> be careful with blender on amd64
[12:12] <tonio_> with ??
[12:12] <tonio_> why ?
[12:12] <jrib> let me find you the bug report
[12:12] <tonio_> ok
[12:13] <jrib> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blender/+bug/110323
[12:13] <tonio_> i do bench with my 64 cpu Origin2000
[12:14] <tonio_> ok ok
[12:14] <tonio_> thkx
[12:14] <jrib> it's fixed if you have feisty-backports it seems
[12:14] <tonio_> i have 2.43.... so the buggy one
[12:14] <jrib> !backports
[12:14] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[12:14] <tonio_> and about beryl.....
[12:15] <tonio_> i have a basci one, without preference about window manager....
[12:16] <tonio_> compiz work, but beryl crash...
[12:17] <tonio_> Checking maximum texture size                   : passed (4096x4096)
[12:17] <tonio_> *** glibc detected *** beryl: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0000000000667da0 ***
[12:17] <tonio_> [12:20] <jrib> try #ubuntu-effects for help with beryl tonio_
[12:23] <tonio_> ok, jrib , thankx for flash ! :)
[12:23] <jrib> np
[01:07] <eX|Joe> i need help with grub.  I'm doing a dual boot windows xp / ubuntu.  I installed XP first, followed by Ubuntu.  XP is on SATA (hd0) and XP is on IDE (hd1).  When I start grub to xp it does "Starting Up" and stays there...  Does not ever truely boot.
[01:08] <eX|Joe> It will boot Ubuntu find tho.
[01:08] <eX|Joe> This is my Menu.1st
[01:08] <eX|Joe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26182/
[10:19] <asdasd> >_>
[10:53] <jrib> frolle: hi
[10:53] <frolle> jrib: hi :)
[10:53] <jrib> lets start from scratch
[10:53] <frolle> yeah
[10:53] <jrib> create a new directory,  mkdir changebg
[10:53] <jrib> then download the original tar.gz in there
[10:54] <jrib> and cd to it,  cd changebg
[10:55] <frolle> yeah
[10:55] <jrib> alright, now we extract it:  tar xf 33520-Simple\ Elegance.tar.gz
[10:55] <frolle> done
[10:56] <jrib> ok, modify background.png:  gimp Simple\ Elegance/background.png
[10:56] <frolle> done
[10:56] <jrib> modify the file directly instead of replacing it for now
[10:57] <jrib> alright and now we repackage: tar czvf newSimpleElegance.tar.gz Simple\ Elegance
[10:57] <jrib> now try adding newSimpleElegance.tar.gz
[10:58] <frolle> hm
[10:58] <frolle> the background didnt change
[10:59] <frolle> hmm maybe it did
[10:59] <frolle> the screenshot is just different, right?
[10:59] <jrib> I think the preview is stored as a file
[10:59] <jrib> "screenshot.png" is my guess
[11:01] <frolle> yeah
[11:04] <frolle> i come back, ill try it :)
[11:04] <frolle> thanks for the help


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[15:31] <FernandoMiguel> guud afternoon
[17:44] <astroo-> ola pessoal
[17:57] <kimus> olá
[17:58] <FernandoMiguel> olha o kimus
[17:58] <kimus> onde?
[17:59] <FernandoMiguel> MIND BLOWN! Watch in horror as Damian writes a Perl program to extract square roots using nothing but quantum mechanics, general relativit http://yow.eventer.com/events/1004/talks/1028
[17:59] <FernandoMiguel> tens q ver isto
[17:59] <FernandoMiguel> BRUTAL
[18:06] <kimus> ?


[15:25] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:25] <czajkowski> did anyone reply to barrys mail at all ?
[15:29] <ebel> er
[15:35] <slashbel> hey czajkowski, welcome back!
[15:36] <czajkowski> cheers
[15:36] <czajkowski> am having lovely chocolate to celebrate
[15:37] <slashbel> desert after supermacs?
[15:37] <czajkowski> still denied it
[15:37] <czajkowski> :(
[15:37] <czajkowski> working and none near me
[15:37] <slashbel> not even red lemonade?
[15:38] <czajkowski> ah I can get that now as Jon likes it
[15:38] <czajkowski> :)
[15:38] <czajkowski> just pop to Asda
[15:38]  * slashbel has yet to see that stuff in Dublin
[15:39] <slashbel> how about a nice cup of tea instead?
[15:39] <slashbel> that english tea isn't the same
[15:41] <czajkowski> barrys also sold in asda :0
[15:42] <czajkowski> I get 2 boxes of 80 at a time
[15:42] <ebel> :)
[15:42] <ebel> who's denying you supermacs?
[15:43] <czajkowski> the mothership
[15:43] <slashbel> on the grounds that it's shite?
[15:43] <slashbel> or that you're not drunk enough to appreciate it?
[15:44] <czajkowski> on the grounds last night I was to come home and not go AWOL till all hours
[15:44] <czajkowski> may have to sneak out post work and pre meetings tonight
[15:47] <ebel> hehehe
[15:47] <ebel> sounds like the old thing of parents treating you like a kid
[15:48] <czajkowski> ah yes indeed
[15:48] <czajkowski> adn given I live out in the stix
[15:48] <czajkowski> I'm kinda at the mercy of lifts unless I nick her car
[15:48] <czajkowski> was gonna rent one
[15:48] <slashbel> no car?
[15:48] <czajkowski> but then left it so late to rent a car for 5 days was like 750 quid
[15:49] <slashbel> aye, my family live in the english countryside… so we rent a car when we visit
[15:49] <ebel> our
[15:49] <ebel> *ouch
[15:49] <slashbel> czajkowski: that's very high
[15:49] <czajkowski> yeah if I did it 8 weeks ago when I viewed it was was about 260
[15:49] <czajkowski> but then forgot about it
[15:49] <czajkowski> :/
[15:50] <slashbel> i did hertz via the ryanair website… €70 for 3 days
[15:51] <slashbel> sorry, 4 days
[15:51] <slashbel> credit to ryanair, you book your flights and it already has all times and dates filled in for hertz
[15:52] <slashbel> buy them together
[15:52] <czajkowski> nods
[15:52] <slashbel> that reminds me, ebel we need to checkin
[15:53] <czajkowski> 813.86 EUR
[15:53] <czajkowski> from the 22nd -> 26th dec
[15:53] <czajkowski> or prepay and it comes down to 742.24 EUR
[15:53] <czajkowski> on hertz.ie
[15:54] <slashbel> if you hire a car in limerick it would may be cheaper than shannon (no airport fees)
[15:56] <slashbel> or you could cycle ;)
[15:57] <czajkowski> oh
[15:57] <czajkowski> really
[15:58] <slashbel> :P
[15:58] <slashbel> sign up to LimerickBikes™
[15:59] <czajkowski> wow you're right
[16:00] <czajkowski> can get it for about 311 for the days needed
[16:00] <czajkowski> thanks tom
[16:00] <slashbel> no problem, airports usual trick of trying to rip you off
[16:03]  * ebel wonders about picking it up further from limerick...
[16:03] <ebel> Tullamore Car Hire Ltd, etc... :P
[16:05] <slashbel> i doubt that would make too much difference
[16:05] <czajkowski> its the dropping it back then
[16:05] <slashbel> aye, that's where the airports get you with the convenience
[16:06] <slashbel> we land in BHX late evening, it's just so much easier to collect the car there
[16:06] <ebel> aye
[16:07] <slashbel> also, city centre rental places only usually work office hours