[22:52] <Sal__> i should just restart inetd ?
[22:52] <geirha> Tyr: In synaptic, find the package, mark it for install, then at the top-left menu you can choose to create a download script that will download all needed packages
[22:52] <billybigrigger_\> anyone here play wolf:et or true combate elite?
[22:52] <chu_> Just wait, I'm finding the location of the cahe for you.
[22:52] <rhys> Huufarted: I suggest using unison, not rsync wiehn dealing with music.
[22:52] <chu_> cache*
[22:52] <KronK0321> Hi, I've got what I believe to be an xorg.conf problem on an old IBM i Series Thinkpad. I get a black screen whenever I try to launch X. This happens for both Gnome and now Xfce as well.
[22:53] <fx3> LightKnight, if there aren any major ram problems you should see errors raking in quickly
[22:53] <Failasaur> Sal__: to what i know /etc/hosts editing works right away
[22:53] <Huufarted> rhys, I would but the other machine is a WindowsXP machine and I can't get Unison to work that way.  May I ask why Unison over rsync?
[22:53] <billybigrigger_\> i keep getting kicked by punkbuster saying violation #20004 game integrity
[22:53] <geirha> Tyr: you might also want to look at aptoncd
[22:53] <Brandano> It does so on Win32, I'd find it odd if it didn't on a real OS
[22:53] <chu_> Tyr, check out /var/cache/apt/archives to see what is there.
[22:53] <Tyr> ok
[22:53] <Sal__> heh im logged in and its still showing up user@oldmask
[22:53] <meoblast> hi
[22:53] <Sal__> guess i need to relogin ?
[22:54] <guntbert> !who | Sal__
[22:54] <B1OS> how can i view a files permissions at the terminal?
[22:54] <fx3> LightKnight, have you read that thread i posted?
[22:54] <Tyr> kk
[22:54] <guntbert> B1OS: ls -l
[22:54] <georgy_28> B10S, : ls -l file
[22:54] <Huufarted> Sal__: Have you tried a reboot?
[22:55] <georgy_28> burn
[22:55] <LightKnight> fx3: it's rather long, I've got it still under hand :)
[22:55] <thedoc^> Hi, I have a laptop and want to dual boot. I read through the faq but have some questions . I already installed XP on laptop (10gb) I have 20gb free - I am in the manual partition setup now. I wanted 10gb free for ubuntu / 2gb for swap / and remainder for a shared folder for xp and ubuntu - I'm not sure on the order needed - right now i have
[22:55] <rhys> Huufarted: unison does a space/time trade off. It stores 500kb (for me) against my 50GB of music, and can synchronize both ways in a very short amount of time. Syncing from a windows machine never seems to work, as rsync can only check for a) timestamps which seem to be wrong and b) checksums which takes forever with alot of music. So rsync has a habit of transfering everything or nothing.
[22:55] <ivnrca> i need wolfet help, no sound problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/119452/   thanks
[22:55] <Sal__> Failasaur: its still the old hostname :(
[22:55] <fx3> LightKnight, most of it you can ignore since they are talking about booting the OS from disk
[22:55] <Sal__> user@ubuntu863173
[22:55] <B1OS> guntbert: thanks
[22:55] <spatry> mpeg
[22:55] <Sal__> failasaur: event after i relogin :(
[22:55] <Jufis> this is interesting
[22:55] <Failasaur> Sal__: you mean the prompt ?
[22:55] <Sal__> yes
[22:55] <guntbert> B1OS: yw
[22:56] <meoblast> hi
[22:56] <meoblast> i need some help
[22:56] <Failasaur> Sal__: cat /etc/hostname
[22:56] <Jufis> the system clock says its 12:55 AM. how is this possible? shouldn't it say 00:55 AM?
[22:56] <chu_> hey meoblast
[22:56] <LightKnight> fx3: ok
[22:56] <meoblast> how do you make a new screen in screen?
[22:56] <Tyr> Thedoc, i liked installing Ubuntu from windows myself very much since all the other complete install options from the cd-boot seemed pretty destructive to my primary windows partition
[22:56] <Huufarted> rhys: I can't seem to get Unison to work when pulling data from the XP machine to my Linux box.
[22:56] <ikonia> meoblast: not a good idea
[22:56] <chu_> Ctrl+Alt<Fx>
[22:56] <ikonia> meoblast: don't embed screens
[22:56] <chu_> Where x is 1 - 6?
[22:56] <meoblast> ikonia: no i mean.. i need a new window
[22:56] <Sal__> Failasaur: it's mydomain.com
[22:56] <fx3> LightKnight, ahh yea, its because the windows didnt shut down properly i thinks, sounds wierd but read last 2 pages
[22:56] <Huufarted> rhys:  I'm really just wanting to mirror what's on my server, only updating what's on my laptop
[22:56] <rhys> meoblast: ctrl+a c
[22:56] <Sal__> it was the ubuntu0000
[22:56] <ikonia> meoblast: gnome-terminal
[22:57] <ikonia> Sal__: ?
[22:57] <meoblast> rhys: that did nothing
[22:57] <meoblast> ok nevermind
[22:57] <meoblast> i got it
[22:57] <rhys> meoblast: :)
[22:57] <Sal__> Failasure: I changed /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts both to use mydomain.com, but the prompt still comes up the user@ubuntu0000
[22:57] <meoblast> now how do i switch windows in irssi
[22:57] <geirha> meoblast: alt+number
[22:57] <fx3> Sal__, you have to relogin
[22:58] <Sal__> fx3: i did
[22:58] <Sal__> fx3: no change
[22:58] <thedoc^> should i have the prepare partitions like this: sda1(ntfs) is my XP / sda5(ext3) is my swap 2gb / sda6(ext3) is where ubuntu install goes? / sda7 - should i put this to ext3 or FAT32 if i want both OS's to see folder?
[22:58] <fx3> Sal__, did you change it with command 'sudo hostname <hostname>'
[22:58] <rhys> Huufarted: rdiff-backup maybe? i just find rsync can only fix files that exist on one but not the other, but when you go to update ID3 tags, it cant tell.
[22:58] <Tyr> Ubuntu can work with NTFS :-D
[22:58] <fx3> that will change it at runtime
[22:58] <ikonia> Tyr: it is not advisable to install ubuntu to ntfs
[22:58] <Sal__> fx3: if i type hostname, it returns my domain
[22:58] <fx3> what is your new hostname?
[22:58] <meoblast> ok..... now how do i get that program up where i can disable programs from startup?
[22:58] <IntuitiveNipple> gaintsura: I stay as far away from python as possible, but...
[22:58] <Failasaur> Sal__: that hostname command above might do it
[22:58] <ikonia> Sal__: hostname returns your hostname
[22:58] <Sal__> fx3: mydomain.com
[22:58] <ifroog> Question, How to change qt themes from gnome?
[22:58] <Tyr> erm, i installed to NTFS using the "install from windows" option
[22:58] <Sal__> Failasaur: just tried it, no change :l
[22:58] <chu_> meoblast, find sessions?
[22:59] <fx3> Sal__, then type 'sudo hostname mydomain.com'
[22:59] <Huufarted> rhys, so if I update the ID3 tags, it won't update that modified file back to my Ubuntu box the next time I rsync?
[22:59] <ikonia> Tyr: ahh wubi
[22:59] <Tyr> i know
[22:59] <chu_> meoblast, System->Preferences perhaps.
[22:59] <soreau> thedoc^: The file system doesn't matter too much.. xp can r/w ext3 and linux can r/w ntfs
[22:59] <tangentcollision> I never use sudo
[22:59] <Tyr> newb me
[22:59] <tangentcollision> sudo is such a security hazard
[22:59] <IntuitiveNipple> gaintsura: According to this link the relative form .. was introduced in 2.5 but I note that the error is in 2.4 (http://docs.python.org/tutorial/modules.html#intra-package-references)
[22:59] <Sal__> fx3: already did, no change
[22:59] <soreau> thedoc^: Probably better to stick with ntfs and ext3
[22:59] <Huufarted> soreau: How do I get my XP box to r/w ext3?
[22:59] <soreau> Huufarted:)
[22:59] <guntbert> tangentcollision: ??
[22:59] <fx3> and logout after that too?
[22:59] <soreau> Huufarted: Google it, there is a driver
[22:59] <chu_> what's wrong with sudo?
[22:59] <tangentcollision> guntbert: su is a lot more secure
[23:00] <ivnrca> cya guys, ill try to get help later. thanks. http://paste.ubuntu.com/119452/
[23:00] <Huufarted> soreau, checking for it now.
[23:00] <ikonia> tangentcollision: please don't talk nonsense
[23:00] <Bamboon> lol yeah no joke ..
[23:00] <ikonia> tangentcollision: they both use the same authentication library
[23:00] <tangentcollision> sudo lets you run scripts as root reguardless of what they are
[23:00] <rhys> Huufarted: It will check the time stamps, and between windows/linux I have not had good luck with that. I feel like I have been doing something wrong, but I have never been able to get that to work. You cant check by checksums. So unison works much much better.
[23:00] <guntbert> tangentcollision: thats simply not true
[23:00] <meoblast> chu_: no i need to disable gdm
[23:00] <LightKnight> fx3: no errors in memtest by now...
[23:00] <ikonia> tangentcollision: please - if you don't understand the words you are saying - don't speak
[23:00] <meoblast> how do i disable GDM?
[23:00] <tangentcollision> sudo devs advise against it
[23:00] <ikonia> tangentcollision: it is not nice to miss-lead people
[23:00] <rhys> tangentcollision: there is an admin group.
[23:01] <Huufarted> Rhys, what if the windows share is mounted locally on Ubuntu?  Does that not work, either?
[23:01] <Bamboon> lol good stuff
[23:01] <chu_> meoblast, there should be an option to load gdm, it should be the last "process" in the sessions screen.
[23:01] <callerten> Is it possible to automatically answer or disable the 'key fingerprint' prompt for ssh?
[23:01] <Huufarted> rhys, or does it still not translate the modified times properly?
[23:01] <B1OS> how would you chowm of /var/www/php.php (just the file php.php) ?
[23:01] <rhys> Huufarted: expecially there. I tried.
[23:01] <fx3> LightKnight, i dont know, im not experienced enough. youll have to wait till one of the more experienced people can answer this question
[23:01] <tangentcollision> okay, so call my opinion a fallaxy
[23:01] <tangentcollision> fallacy
[23:01] <meoblast> chu_: i remember this being possible via CLI
[23:01] <geirha> meoblast: man update-rc.d
[23:01] <LightKnight> fx3: OK, thank you for now :)
[23:01] <Brandano> Huufarted: got it working! I had the wrong loopback address in my tunnel settings
[23:01] <Huufarted> rhys, well then I'll let you know what I find.  I'll try and get Unison working again.
[23:01] <Huufarted> Congrats, Brandano.  :)
[23:01] <chu_> meoblast, most probably :p
[23:01] <Failasaur> B10S: sudo chown user:group  /var/www/php.php
[23:01] <gaintsura> IntuitiveNipple: would adding the python2.5 package help or do I need to remove 2.4 first?
[23:01] <rhys> Huufarted: unison is sweet for me.
[23:02] <fx3> LightKnight, it might possibly has something to do with either your architecture 32 bit, 64bit or what they are talking about in the forum thread, vista not properly shut down
[23:02] <Huufarted> Rhys, do you use it on your Linux machine to pull from XP?
[23:02] <meoblast> geirha: i remember there being an interface with checkboxes i could uncheck
[23:02] <meoblast> geirha: 8 per program
[23:02] <rhys> Huufarted: all linux. sorry. i don't use windows at all.
[23:02] <LightKnight> fx3: It's Windows XP, don't think it's a 64.
[23:02] <IntuitiveNipple> rhys: With rsync you can use checksum comparisons using -c
[23:02] <Sal__> err
[23:02] <Sal__> fx3: now its coming up user@alias
[23:02] <Sal__> fx3: instead of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:03] <rhys> IntuitiveNipple: i know that, and it takes forever and is idiotic to do each sync with 50gbs of music files.
[23:03] <thedoc^> soreau - okay does the order of the swap file matter? i have it like : sda1(ntfs)34% xp is on here sda5(ext3) 6% is my swap file(2gb) sda6(ext3) 33%(ubuntu) sda7(ext3) 25% for both OS's i guess... i set up no mount points - and selected "logical" and "beginning" is this ok?
[23:03] <Huufarted> rhys, yeah.  That's the dilemma for me.  If I had an extra Terabyte HDD floating around, I'd install Ubuntu on it and move everything to that.
[23:03] <fx3> Sal__, what happends when you type just hostname?
[23:03] <Huufarted> but I don't
[23:03] <meoblast> geirha: i know about the patience and me needing to be patient but i have to leave soon and this is urgent i have gdm disabled
[23:03] <Sal__> shows mydomain.com
[23:03] <Failasaur> Sal__: find where you put that alias word and edit it ?
[23:03] <Sal__> Fail: i just did
[23:03] <rhys> Huufarted: 5 harddrives, ~2TB on that machine
[23:03] <geirha> meoblast: Can't remember seeing any program like that I'm afraid
[23:03] <fx3> Sal__, are you sure your prompt is set correctly?
[23:03] <Davedan> in what path should I put eclipse on ubuntu?
[23:03] <Sal__> pretty sure
[23:03] <meoblast> geirha: no one ever told me i could only s witch between 2 windows in screen at a time
[23:03] <soreau> thedoc^: The ordering does not matter from a technical standpoint. But, some take their partitioning scheming almost as an art form ;)
[23:04] <meoblast> eos anyone know of the program that i can use to disable GDM?
[23:04] <IntuitiveNipple> gaintsura: I'm not sure, if you've got a set of site-packages in 2.4 - the key issue looks to be that that python-wxgtk-2.8 includes 2.5 specific syntax. You could try installing your python apps to 2.5 and using 2.5 as your default, but I'm not sure how that would affect whatever you use them for
[23:04] <ikonia> meoblast: disable the init script
[23:04] <B1OS> Failasaur: do i leave the group as is?
[23:04] <meoblast> ikonia: how?
[23:04] <ikonia> meoblast: update-rc.d or remove the script
[23:04] <Sal__> heh now its stuck on the alias
[23:04] <Sal__> ugh so aggrivating ;l
[23:04] <geirha> meoblast: google suggests services-admin
[23:05] <meoblast> geirha: i'll try that
[23:05] <B1OS> Failasaur: and change user to my user
[23:05] <Failasaur> B10S: if you want to leave it as is then just  sudo chown user  /var/www/php.php
[23:05] <IntuitiveNipple> rhys: Ahh sorry, from the fragments of what I saw you say I thought your problem was not trusting time-stamps :)
[23:05] <georgy_28> thedoc^, : and windows can't read ext3, will be beter in fat or ntfs
[23:05] <meoblast> as soon as retarded screen will let me get to my third screen
[23:05] <jhonnyboy> I have no system sound, but i can hear all the other sound(movies, youtube, etc...) Does anyone know why this would be happening?
[23:05] <enriquei> Is there a way I can run the network install from a normal ubuntu servfer install cd?
[23:05] <IntuitiveNipple> rhys: I used rsync -c recently to track down corruption in a 160GB transfer
[23:05] <B1OS> Failasaur: thanks
[23:06] <meoblast> screen sucks
[23:06] <kivod> georgy_28, yes it can, but with a driver
[23:06] <enriquei> kind of like using the expert param?
[23:06] <Failasaur> B10S: np
[23:06] <geirha> meoblast: and rcconf seems to be a console equivalent
[23:06] <meoblast> control A only switches between 2 screens at a time
[23:06] <meoblast> and control a + number fails
[23:06] <georgy_28> kivod, : ok
[23:06] <rhys> IntuitiveNipple: yea, just found rsync not to be the best for music. timestamps are never right. OHHH. I just realized why Huufarted. defaults for most drives are "relatime" or similar.
[23:06] <guntbert> meoblast: ctrl a n
[23:06] <meoblast> guntbert: the letter n?
[23:06] <joerack> hello
[23:06] <Huufarted> gotcha, Rhys.  Didn't think about that.
[23:07] <rhys> Huufarted: maybe. I never remember, and i use NTFS,JFS,EXT3, and Reiser...so I never remember.
[23:07] <joerack> Does anybody know how to install skype 3 on linux?
[23:07] <geirha> meoblast: screen works nicely for me ...
[23:07] <guntbert> meoblast: yes, for "next"
[23:07] <thedoc^> right - soreau - cool, i needed 2 partitions as i mentioned - 1 for ubuntu and 1 for both OS's - i can leave them as EXT3 ? do i leave these all logical and what about the "location for the new partion?" what does beginning vs end mean? thanks again - i just didnt want to screw this up... never did a dual boot
[23:07] <glitsj16> jhonnyboy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcanberra/+bug/273507 might be helpfull
[23:07] <dracula_> french?
[23:07] <jhonnyboy> thanks glitsj16
[23:07] <rww> !screen | meoblast: screen introduction
[23:07] <meoblast> guntbert: that doesnt work.... cuz holding control a swiftly switches between the last 2 windows
[23:07] <enriquei> Is there any way I can start up a network install from a normal server install CD?
[23:08] <rww> !fr | dracula_
[23:08] <meoblast> i can't click links
[23:08] <meoblast> i have no GUI
[23:08] <LightKnight> fx3: just for information: Pass complete, no errors. Let's try something else :)
[23:08] <jhonnyboy> I'm afraid this won't work.
[23:08] <meoblast> well i'll brb
[23:08] <KevDog_> aircrack users here?
[23:08] <fx3> LightKnight, do you have any other linux live CDs around?
[23:08] <jhonnyboy> This should all be working by default, this is a brand new installation of ubuntu
[23:08] <guntbert> meoblast: <ctrl> a, then "n"
[23:08] <chu_> hey cellefellow
[23:08] <fx3> hey KevDog_
[23:09] <sensae> Can anyone recommend a music player written in GTK that supports compilation albums?
[23:09] <cellofellow> chu_: hey there
[23:09] <Huufarted> sensae, the only music player that I'll recommend right now is Amarok
[23:09] <LightKnight> fx3: got a blank CD, I was thinking of System Rescue CD or something.
[23:09] <Schuenemann> is it safe to delete the kernel sources under /usr/src?
[23:09] <soreau> thedoc^: TBH, I am not going to walk you through this completely. I will restate what I've already said which is that you should stick with ext3 and ntfs since both are practical and both are r/w from either OS. The ubuntu live install makes it very easy to scheme your partitions. If you do not like it, you can simply reorganize them again
[23:10] <fx3> you dont have any ubuntu live CDs around? they are worth their weight in low quality gold =)
[23:10] <sensae> Huufarted: that's what I'm using, but I dislike the inconsistent styling.
[23:10] <soreau> fx3: lol ;)
[23:10] <LightKnight> fx3: uhm, IIRC, not :-P
[23:10] <KevDog_> Hi
[23:10] <sensae> Huufarted: and even it is kind of weak when it comes to compilation albums.
[23:11] <billybigrigger_\> anyone here play true combat elite?
[23:11] <guntbert> !ot | sensae
[23:11] <chu_> sensae - songbird? though I know nothing about it
[23:11] <Tyr> live CD's for the win :D
[23:11] <thedoc^> soreau - ot
[23:11] <thedoc^> soreau - it's cool, thanks - i got my answer here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=528065
[23:11] <Failasaur> Schuenemann: for running things you don't need the sources. Bute some install procedures, like when installing nvidia drivers from nvidia, require it.
[23:12] <soreau> thedoc^: Perfect. Have fun, hope you figure get it how you want it
[23:12] <Schuenemann> Failasaur,  at least I can delete the older ones, right?
[23:12] <thedoc^> soreau - thanks again for the advice. just had those minor questions...
[23:12] <KevDog> No aircrack broadcom users here?
[23:12] <Failasaur> Schuenemann: i'd say so yea
[23:12] <soreau> thedoc^: I mean, I hope you get it how you want it. If not, there's an infinite next time ;)
[23:12] <enriquei> Is anyone here familiar with the ubuntu installer?
[23:12] <thedoc^> :)
[23:12] <Schuenemann> Failasaur,  and if I want to compile the kernel myself, I should use the one there, too?
[23:13] <rww> !anyone | enriquei
[23:13] <KevDog> !ubottu
[23:13] <KevDog> Bots suck!
[23:13] <keres> KevDog: amen.
[23:13] <soreau> enriquei: No, we all use magic to install ubuntu
[23:13] <Failasaur> Schuenemann: compiling the kernel needs them yes. different kernel version, different kernel tre
[23:13] <Failasaur> tree*
[23:13] <enriquei> =\
[23:14] <Schuenemann> Failasaur,  ok, thanks
[23:14] <KevDog> MasterKernel has a great thread about how to compile kernels in the Tutorials and Tips section in the forums
[23:14] <Failasaur> Schuenemann: np
[23:14] <chu_> Do you reckon Linus' machine has complete support? lol
[23:14] <Failasaur> im off. good night all
[23:14] <chu_> night
[23:14] <blizzle> Linus runs Redhat.
[23:15] <KevDog> I thought Redhat was dead
[23:15] <enriquei> soreau: Is there anyway to kick off a network install from a normal, full sized, install cd?
[23:15] <ikonia> Gents, pleaes can we get back to the topic of ubuntu support
[23:15] <blizzle> KevDog, Dead? Not by a long shot.
[23:15] <chu_> Does he contribute to Red Hat? (outside the obvious kernel and git)
[23:15] <soreau> enriquei: I have no idea
[23:15] <rww> !ot
[23:15] <chu_> Sorry ikonia, taking it to ot
[23:16] <KevDog> My mistake
[23:16] <jhonnyboy> Ok everyone i just did a speaker test and all my speakers are working correctly as 5.1 surround sound. But when i play movies it's not surround sound, it's only my front speakers. Does anyone know why?
[23:16] <rww> enriquei: Have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Server%20and%20network%20installations ?
[23:17] <fx3> bah, bedtime for me, cant get my head around this bind thing
[23:18] <LightKnight> fx3: nite and thank you again :)
[23:18] <enriquei> thank you rrw: I will take a look
[23:19] <fx3> LightKnight, i hope you resuce your data, i strongly suggest takinng out the harddrive from the laptop =). good luck.
[23:19] <hlm> are there any GUI programs for C++ projects?
[23:19] <bruenig> hlm: gedit
[23:19] <guntbert> !ide | hlm
[23:19] <JC_Denton_> trying to run processing but it's reporting errors: incorrect classpath:~/GNUstep/Library/Libraries/Java . thinking I need to reset the classpath..
[23:20] <hlm> I dont think you understand, I need something that opens a whole project, not just parts of it
[23:21] <guntbert> !attitude | hlm
[23:21] <JC_Denton_> monodevelop works with C++
[23:21] <hlm> guntbert, im sorry :-(
[23:21] <tintin> hey i need some quick help, i have just attempted to install ubuntu on top of windows
[23:22] <thedoc^> hey soreau - if i have a drive set as ext3, would i be able to read/move/copy files that are from XP for example? or should i make it to fat32? i know from ubuntu, i can read ntfs drives.... perhaps on the install cd there's a way to format that drive to ntfs instead of fat?
[23:22] <DJNomad> how did the attemt fail ?
[23:22] <BlackBeast> hi can somebody help me?
[23:22] <BlackBeast> i have some trouble
[23:22] <Brandano> hlm: never used it, but I think eclipse does C as well?
[23:22]  * jexmex pulls up chair and beer
[23:23] <guntbert> hlm: its ok :-), you will have to look and test yourself, and of course every ide has its own projects
[23:23] <BlackBeast> i'm trying to uninstall ubuntu.. but i can't
[23:23] <soreau> thedoc^: As I said before, ntfs and ext3 are r/w from either OS (linux and windows). There is no need for fat*
[23:23] <hlm> is there some way to convert a windows dsw to something usable?
[23:23] <Brandano> BlackBeast: apart from the usual "why?" but what's the problem?
[23:23] <jexmex> BlackBeast: Why would you want to do that?!
[23:23] <IntuitiveNipple> hlm: You could look at Anjuta (light-weight) or Eclipse CDT (heavy-weight)
[23:23] <thedoc^> okay cool soreau - just double checking! :) i could have sworn it wasn't like that a few years back...
[23:23] <mrwes> what does the & symbol do when used after an executable command?
[23:23] <hlm> thankyou everyone!
[23:24] <tintin> i repartitioned the hard drive ok however i fiddled with the advanced settings which resulted in the boot loader not being installed now i cannot get ubuntu off the live session, i changed the default setting from (hd0) to (sdb) which did not work i restarted hoping i could format the new partitions however they are locked when i boot the live cd again
[23:24] <soreau> BlackBeast: Why would you want to do such a thing? ;)
[23:24] <KevDog> mrwes: runs the process in the background
[23:24] <mrwes> KevDog, Ok..thought so, how to I get back to that job?
[23:24] <mlissner> mrwes: be aware though that you can't close the terminal once you've done that.
[23:24] <mrwes> mlissner, I found that out :)
[23:24] <guntbert> mrwes: fg
[23:24] <Brandano> BlackBeast: I think youi might be confusing "I am trying to uninstall Ubuntu" with " I am trying to install windows, and it's failing"
[23:25] <mrwes> guntbert, Ok...and jobs -l will list the jobs?
[23:25] <soreau> thedoc^: You're right. ntfs was officially supported only a few or more years back. Before then, FAT32 was required
[23:25] <Brandano> BlackBeast: in any case, nothing that can't be fixed with fdisk
[23:25] <mlissner> mrwes:  I think that's right.
[23:25] <Brandano> Just make sure you save ALL your data first
[23:25] <guntbert> mrwes: I use jobs alone, but yes
[23:25] <mlissner> mrwes: You can also do things like fg %1, which will bring the first process to the foreground.
[23:26] <mlissner> mrwes: or fg %2, etc.
[23:26] <KevDog> broadcom/aircrack users
[23:26] <KevDog> ?
[23:26] <mrwes> mlissner, Ok..I understand that. and ctrl + Z puts it back into the background?
[23:26] <talntid> any experienced server admins care to give me a hand with a broken package issue? it's not a simple question. it involves broken packages and apt wants to uninstall a LOT of base packages.
[23:26] <Sal__> fx3: any idea ?
[23:26] <Sal__> its still the alias, even though i changed the alias
[23:26] <mlissner> mrwes: That sounds about right
[23:26] <mrwes> mlissner, very nice...thanks guys
[23:26] <talntid> KevDog: broadcom isn't real good with aircrack.
[23:27] <talntid> matter of fact, I don't think it works at all
[23:27] <DJNomad> whenever someone is not busy and knows how to mount a flashdrive holla at me
[23:27] <mlissner> mrwes: no prob. good luck getting to know the terminal. it's good stuff.
[23:27] <jj_galvez> odd synaptic question - I installed a deb package (downloaded from getdeb) and it seems to have installed properly, however I can't find it in synaptic.  I know this is wrong because its not how my computer at home works
[23:27] <mlissner> DJNomad: What happens when you stick it in?
[23:27] <mrwes> mlissner, yah I'm a fan of the terminal, I just have not used the jobs side of it
[23:27] <DJNomad> it shows (i have 2 ways of attaching it )
[23:28] <mlissner> DJNomad: I'm confused what the problem is then....
[23:28] <DJNomad> its a 4 gig micro sd via usb cable through phone(says unmountable) or a usb card adapter says insert media
[23:28] <DJNomad> shows but wont mount
[23:28] <mrwes> mlissner, is running jobs better than using screen?
[23:29] <mrwes> stick it in? hrmm...
[23:29] <mrwes> jk
[23:29] <DJNomad> hehe
[23:29] <mlissner> mrwes: I haven't used screen, but I have a friend that swears by it. It seemed overly complicated to me.
[23:29] <DJNomad> thats the wrong slot
[23:29] <KevDog> talntid: That info is incorrect.  I can confirm they work together (at least part ofthe way)!
[23:30] <mlissner> DJNomad: I shouldn't profess too much knowledge on this. Maybe somebody else knows, but I think if you run fdisk, it will give you more info about it...
[23:30] <talntid> KevDog: you can successfully inject using broadcom?
[23:30] <DJNomad> i can also do it via bluetooth but it will only do my pics and not my songs
[23:30] <KevDog> talntid: YES!
[23:31] <mikewu> DJNomad: run dmesg after sticking it in and you should see that it attaches on sdx1 where x is some letter
[23:31] <talntid> nice, does it inject quickly?
[23:31] <KevDog> talntid: I have no idea ofthe speed, using b43 driver/2.6.27 kernel
[23:31] <talntid> via ndiswrapper?
[23:31] <mikewu> DJNomad: then mount -t vfat -o uid=username,gid=users /dev/sdx1 /media/usb
[23:32] <mlissner> DJNomad: if you're trying to get info off a phone, good luck to you. They are a pain in many ways.
[23:32] <jj_galvez> installed package not showing up in syaptic
[23:32] <KevDog> talntid: Forget ndiswrapper -- you cant packet inject with ndiswrapper
[23:32] <BlackBeast> mmm
[23:32] <BlackBeast> Brandano: what?
[23:33] <tintin> hey need some help i resized my hard drive and installed ubuntu however i attempted to change where the boot loader is installed to and it failed during the install at 98% i am new to ubuntu and all linux distributions how can i install a boot loader so i can stop using the live session and reclaim my windows install (as it cannot find the MBR)
[23:33] <glitsj16> jj_galvez: odd indeed, using "dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall | grep <fill-in-packagename-in-question>" you might find out if it actually installed ok. Does that return anything usefull ?
[23:33] <Brandano> Well, how's your system setup? Dual boot with windows?
[23:33] <Brandano> hem, sorry, meeant that for BlackBeast and forgot the netiquette for a second
[23:33] <BlackBeast> Brandano: well that's exactly the problem that i have
[23:34] <BlackBeast> Brandano: sorry if my what was a little big!
[23:34] <DJNomad> that command(first one) came up w errors device not ready
[23:34] <tintin> yes windows is installed however i am attempting to dual boot windows with ubuntu
[23:34] <Brandano> BlackBeast: ok, so what you want to do is to remove the boot manager and extend the fat32 partition back to the whole disk
[23:34] <jj_galvez> glitsj16: that reports install
[23:35] <BlackBeast> Brandano: yes!exactly,im trying to instal windows (not for me :S)
[23:35] <McShane> gnome-system-monitor crashes when I try to start it. Running it from the terminal gives me this error: http://pastebin.com/d6a4bda95. Invoking sudo bypasses the Gio error.
[23:35] <BlackBeast> install*
[23:35] <Brandano> BlackBeast: there's no automated way to do so AFAIK, but you should be able to get back to the origin by resizing the partition using a livecd, and then run an fdisk -mbr to restore the boot record from a windows recovery prompt
[23:35] <junglist_> Can anyone help me decipher this error I am getting when I try to update?   http://paste.ubuntu.com/120351/       Thanks!
[23:35] <hlm> does clamav have a GUI?
[23:35] <Brandano> BlackBeast: ah, if you just want to install windows, just format the drive
[23:36] <Brandano> BlackBeast: better ask in #windows, though
[23:36] <glitsj16> jj_galvez: in that case you might run "sudo dpkg -r <packagename> to remove it and try reinstalling it again .. what package is causing the trouble by the way ? might be a bug on it, hard to tell without more info i suppose ...
[23:36] <BlackBeast> Brandano: yes, but i don't have the live cd
[23:36] <Brandano> download one
[23:36] <Ienorand> I'm having trouble uninstalling vmware player on ubuntu: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/Z6IYoz any suggestions?
[23:36] <jj_galvez> glitsj16: its gsmartcontrol I downloaded it from getdeb
[23:37] <hlm> is there a clamav support channel?
[23:37] <DJNomad> its dev sdf tho
[23:37] <Tyr> Blackbeast: its recommended to buy a legal copy of Windows on a disc in order to get all future most necessary security update on the MS-OS
[23:37] <ActionParsnip1> BlackBeast: if you can boot to recovery root console you may be able to do whatever it is from command line.
[23:37] <Brandano> Ienorand: that mibbit link probably won't lead anywhere
[23:37] <mikewu> DJNomad: try the mount command with /dev/sdf1
[23:37] <ActionParsnip1> him: yes, theres 38 people there #clamav
[23:37] <Tyr> if you not want pay for the OS stick with linux :D
[23:38] <DJNomad> is the mount command "mount"?
[23:38] <hlm> ActionParsnip1, thankyou
[23:38] <Hyena> hey! anyone who can help a newbe for some secounds
[23:38] <DJNomad> so mount /dev/sdf1
[23:38] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: indeed
[23:38] <DJNomad> kk
[23:38] <Ienorand> Brandano: it lead to pastebin...
[23:38] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: no, you need to mount it to a folder
[23:38] <DIFH-iceroot> !anyone | Hyena
[23:38] <BlackBeast> Tyr: it's not for me
[23:38] <glitsj16> jj_galvez: thanks, trying it now to see if i get the same result, hang on please
[23:38] <rfizzle> Hello. Can someone help me. Every time I boot I have this DRDY ERR and it takes it like 6 minutes to boot up.
[23:38] <Brandano> Ienorand: Ah, didn't know mibbit had a pastebin... sorry
[23:38] <mikewu> DJNomad: look at what i entered above
[23:38] <jj_galvez> glitsj16: ok, thanks
[23:38] <Tyr> still.. copied versions of windows dont update since they got authentication tool
[23:39] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: sudo mount <device <folder to mount to> -t <type> -o <options>
[23:39] <junglist_> Can anyone help me decipher this error I am getting when I try to update?   http://paste.ubuntu.com/120351/       Thanks!
[23:39] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: -t and -o are optional but can give greater options (and sometimes are necessary)
[23:39] <Brandano> Ienorand: Aaagh, perl... this wasn't installed with apt-get, right?
[23:39] <MadsRH> I have a PVR-150 TV-tuner card, which application should I use to watch TV other than MythTV?
[23:39] <RJN> how to change login in root user.....
[23:39] <ActionParsnip1> junglist_: i wish we had a factoid for this one
[23:40] <BlackBeast> Tyr: well, except for Windows unnatended edition
[23:40] <ActionParsnip1> RJN: you dont use a root user, use your own and use sudo
[23:40] <Tyr> Blackbeast, you could download Hirens boot cd so you have at least a live cd with Fdisk on to format the drive
[23:40] <Hyena> I have two graphic cards (one pci one agp). ubuntu only uses the pci card with 800x600 resolution. i can see the both cards in 'lspci -v'.. how do i get them both to go good in higher resolution?
[23:40] <unop> Brandano, perl is installed with the base system
[23:40] <junglist_> ActionParsnip1: What does that mean? :) Is this common?
[23:40] <DJNomad> thanks for the effort but I aint getting it I notepadded everything tho and will try to get it workin
[23:40] <Brandano> unop: yep, but I don't think it's used to manage packages?
[23:40] <ActionParsnip1> junglist_: http://gentoo-blog.de/?p=501
[23:40] <RJN> ActionParsnip1:  that 1 i  can use but i need to configure the permission on my second hdd
[23:40] <DJNomad> I just dunno what to do with folders etc
[23:41] <ActionParsnip1> junglist_: hugely, its quite annoying but easy to fix
[23:41] <BlackBeast> Tyr: well let me download the live CD
[23:41] <RJN> so, how to configure that
[23:41] <djungelmums> how do i resume this: There are screens on:
[23:41] <djungelmums>         2300.pts-3.djungelfrukt (02/20/2009 12:31:54 AM)        (Attached)
[23:41] <djungelmums>         31072.pts-0.djungelfrukt        (02/19/2009 06:49:49 PM)        (Attached)
[23:41] <Tyr> lots other usefull tools on that too :-)
[23:41] <Brandano> BlackBeast: it's always a good idea to keep a recent livecd in your backpack
[23:41] <Hyena> låter gott
[23:41] <junglist_> ActionParsnip1: Thank you!
[23:41] <ActionParsnip1> RJN: do not log on as root, here is a help for your mounting issue: http://www.hafenscher.net/wiki/index.php?page=Mount_USB_stick_read_and_writable_for_users
[23:42] <DJNomad> i got ultimate ubuntu last night and i am loving it
[23:42] <DJNomad> cept for this phone thing lol
[23:42] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: its not supported here
[23:42] <ActionParsnip1> !ultimate
[23:42] <DJNomad> it runs better than xfce did for me
[23:42] <unop> Brandano, it's used by some front-ends to APT like apt-file, debconf, etc -- so it has an indirect relationship
[23:42] <Brandano> The trouble with names like "ultimate" is that there's always something more ultimate coming out next week
[23:42] <RJN> i add another hdd but after i format it ..... ther is only a folder named lost+found. and i cant add any files on the hdd
[23:42] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: xfce is a desktop environment, ubuntu is an operating system, you cannot compare between the two
[23:43] <Ienorand> Djungelmums: What are you talking about?
[23:43] <l337ingDisorder> is there a way to list all partitions on the command line?
[23:43] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: you can use xfce IN ubuntu instead of the default GNOME / KDE
[23:43] <DJNomad> yeah but that desktop environment is suppose to be faster than gnome
[23:43] <ActionParsnip1> l337ingDisorder: sudo fdisk -l
[23:43] <sharef_> i need the advice of a X11 pro
[23:43] <Brandano> DJNomad: ever tried a terminal window?
[23:44] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: it is made for lower resource systems so yes
[23:44] <ActionParsnip1> !ask | sharef
[23:44] <DJNomad> terminal is too much for me now
[23:44] <l337ingDisorder> ActionParsnip1: fdisk -l will give a list of all the partitions but it also has the sizes and all kinds of stuff... all I want is a list like  /dev/sda1 \n /dev/sda2 \n /dev/sdb1
[23:44] <DJNomad> lol
[23:44] <Liothen> DJNomad: try openbox, fluxbox, or blackbox those are even faster :P
[23:44] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: you can install xubuntu and have ubuntu with xfce as its desktop and be supported
[23:44] <DJNomad> im stupid havent you figured that out yet?
[23:44] <glitsj16> jj_galvez: it installed cleanly and here it does show up properly in synaptic ... did you install the .deb manually or via double-clicking ?
[23:45] <DJNomad> i tried lxde too
[23:45] <ActionParsnip1> l337ingDisorder: it will show the disk, then sda1, sda2 etc for each disk
[23:45] <BlackBeast> Brandano: can you give me a link with the last live CD?
[23:45] <Liothen> i have to admit the packages available for fluxbox on ubuntu suck.
[23:45] <l337ingDisorder> ActionParsnip1: can I /msg you?
[23:45] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: i use fluxbox, its way more configurable than xfce
[23:45] <IntuitiveNipple> l337ingDisorder: cat /proc/partitions
[23:45] <ActionParsnip1> l337ingDisorder: sure
[23:45] <sharef_> i want to set up my laptop and desktop to act like 1 computer with 2 screens
[23:45] <jj_galvez> glitsj16: double clicking initially, then manually after doing the dpkg -r thing
[23:45] <Brandano> BlackBeast: probably. I'd have to go to www.ubuntu.com and browse a bit, though...
[23:45] <malibu> Hi, I torrent downloaded ubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso.... is this not the alternate install CD?  The installation looks the same as the normal CD!
[23:45] <DJNomad> i have just barely tried flux
[23:46] <Hyena> how do i enable my geforce card?
[23:46] <sharef_> specifically window drag/drop functions and shared clipboard
[23:46] <l337ingDisorder> IntuitiveNipple: that's getting closer but still lists the major, minor, and #blocks... all I want is the partition names
[23:46] <DJNomad> i used xfce for a bitabout a week or 2
[23:46] <glitsj16> jj_galvez: odd indeed, still nothing showing up i take it ?
[23:46] <DJNomad> i liked how its panel floated
[23:46] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: try putting my name at the start of the line, so it highlights like i highlight yours
[23:46] <unop> l337ingDisorder,  ls /dev/[sh]d[a-z]*
[23:46] <DJNomad> not takin up any room
[23:46] <Brandano> BlackBeast: then find the link, copy it here, paste it... by the time I am done you could have already started to download it...
[23:46] <Liothen> enlightenment is fairly good aswell
[23:46] <McShane> gnome-system-monitor crashes when I try to start it. Running it from the terminal gives me this error: http://pastebin.com/d6a4bda95. Invoking sudo bypasses the Gio error.
[23:46] <McShane> but I'd like to be able to run the monitor from the Gnome menu
[23:46] <jj_galvez> glitsj16: nothing, really odd, like I said I did the same thing at home and its showing up in synaptic as it should there, just not on this computer at work
[23:47] <l337ingDisorder> unop: Woah that's pretty much exactly what I need! Any way to have it return them on individual lines?
[23:47] <IntuitiveNipple> l337ingDisorder: pipe it through cut
[23:47] <unop> l337ingDisorder,  ls -1 /dev/[sh]d[a-z]*
[23:47] <mrwes> if you have multiple detached screens, when you type screen -r which one does it retach to?
[23:47] <DJNomad> ActionParsnip1 k will tdo
[23:47] <mrwes> attach that is
[23:48] <KevDog> enlightenment is good but schizophrenic
[23:48] <georgy_28> KevDog, : why ?
[23:49] <glitsj16> jj_galvez: i'm afraid i can't really think of anything else to try ... might be different synaptic preferences between those machines, that's a longshot guess .. goodluck :)
[23:49] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: makes it easier ina room of 1400 users
[23:49] <l337ingDisorder> unop you're a maniac! Thanks a million, that's exactly what I need
[23:49] <flx_> I have a weird problem. When I do large amounts of transfer on a cheap SD media card I picked up, something bad happens and the write fails.
[23:49] <unop> l337ingDisorder, maniac? i almost resent that :)
[23:49] <KevDog> e17 is basically in svn code -- which for the most part is stable, however depending on how you are applying your updates, sometimes things break!
[23:49] <flx_> Anyone got any ideas on whether its hardware or sfotware?
[23:49] <jj_galvez> glitsj16: thanks, I've got a meeting to go to anyway I'll try googling some.  Thanks for the help
[23:49] <BlackBeast> Brandano: and there is not an apliccation that do a partition on ubuntu?
[23:49] <Brandano> BlackBeast: this seems the place: http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/
[23:49] <DJNomad> ActionParsnip1 yeah i imagine sorry im new to this busy chat and also irc and also linux
[23:50] <Brandano> BlackBeast: PartED
[23:50] <l337ingDisorder> unop: well, linux maniac... not like.. axe-murdering/carrot-farming maniac
[23:50] <hlm> #clamav is giving me no support, does anyone in here no if clamav has a GUI?
[23:50] <unop> ha ha
[23:50] <IntuitiveNipple> unop: l337ingDisorder That ls won't pick up device-mapper partitions
[23:50] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: np man, just remember to address folks, don't be a div and dont flood with huge pastes
[23:50] <Brandano> hlm: clamwin does
[23:50] <IntuitiveNipple> l337ingDisorder: cat /proc/partitions | awk '{print $4}'
[23:50] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: keep on topic and you are golden
[23:50] <Brandano> AFAIK clamav does not
[23:50] <flx_> hlm: avscan
[23:50] <rfizzle> I have some sort of boot problem. everytime I boot I get this DRDY ERR and it takes it like 6 mins to go through to boot up
[23:50] <flx_> hlm: Also clamtk
[23:50] <DJNomad> ActionParsnip1 kk i know about pastebin
[23:50] <hlm> flx_, thankyou
[23:50] <Brandano> hlm: or perhaps it has several
[23:51] <ivnrca> hi, i need help with sound in wolfestein enemy territory. this is my terminal log screen http://paste.ubuntu.com/119452/     thanks
[23:51] <DJNomad> ActionParsnip1 so thats a plus lol
[23:51] <flx_> hlm: "apt-cache search clamav | grep front" was what I looked for
[23:51] <hlm> thank you everyone
[23:51] <flx_> hlm: Often they call it a "frontend"
[23:51] <hlm> flx_, okay, im a linux newbie :-(
[23:51] <DJNomad> ActionParsnip1
[23:51] <flx_> hlm: Not a problem! (But you probably don't need antivirus if you're just a normal desktop user.)
[23:51] <DJNomad> ActionParsnip1 so do i make a folder for the flashdrive or is there one already ?
[23:51] <NemsSs> what eans grep front
[23:51] <Brandano> Well, technically a frontend is not an integrated GUI. practically they feel the same
[23:52] <KevDog> Im running e17 and like it a lot, however some may not!
[23:52] <Brandano> NemsSs: grep searches for text in a list of strings
[23:52] <ghee> hi guys a little sound question for the gurus in the house...
[23:52] <unop> IntuitiveNipple,  ls -1 /dev/{[sh]d[a-z]*,dm-*}
[23:52] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: you will need to make one if its not automounting for you
[23:52] <top1> hello
[23:52] <NemsSs> Brandano, yes but where
[23:52] <l337ingDisorder> IntuitiveNipple: Hmm you have a very good point there..
[23:52] <Huufarted> !ask | ghee
[23:52] <NemsSs> in which list
[23:52] <hlm> flx_, I am planning on using it to scan a windows network
[23:52] <BlackBeast> Brandano: what works with a laptop?
[23:52] <Brandano> in the one piped by apt-cache
[23:52] <ghee> are the "capabilites" listed after my sound card using lshw the "options" that can be called for it?
[23:52] <flx_> hlm: Aha, there ya go.
[23:52] <top1> who can say me please where the german ubuntu channel is?
[23:53] <georgy_28> KevDog, : I'm running e17 too, and i find it great
[23:53] <unop> l337ingDisorder,  ls -1 /dev/{[sh]d[a-z]*,dm-*}
[23:53] <ActionParsnip1> !de | top1
[23:53] <ghee> and if so, how do i found out what they mean?
[23:53] <DJNomad> ActionParsnip1 ok thanks would i want to do that in my home folder?
[23:53] <l337ingDisorder> IntuitiveNipple: Ok so then is there something I can do to remove the frist two lines of the output? (ie, the "name" line and the blank line, so all I get is a list of partitions?
[23:53] <top1> danke
[23:53] <hlm> flx_, I am using Gnome, will I have to install KDE to use a KDE frontend?
[23:53] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: you can do it ANYWHERE, just not in /proc
[23:53] <Brandano> BlackBeast: Laptops are real buggers for graphic adapters
[23:53] <KevDog> georgy_28: How did you install?
[23:53] <TTT_Travis> how does LVM store data? Does it just write to one drive until it fills up then switches to the next drive? Ideally if my drive were to fail I would want to only lose data from a certain time frame
[23:53] <ifroog> Question, How to change qt themes from gnome?
[23:53] <georgy_28> KevDog, : deb file
[23:53] <DJNomad> ActionParsnip1 I have dolphin so I can make it in any folder permission wise
[23:53] <ActionParsnip1> him: if you want to use kwin instead of metacity you will have to install a full kde
[23:54] <flx_> Flare183: Not sure. Give it a shot?
[23:54] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: sure, most users use: sudo mkdir /media/usbdisk    or similar
[23:54] <flx_> Flare183: sorry, wrong personl
[23:54] <flx_> hlm: I think you'll need to install some libs... but not everthing. Lemme check.
[23:54] <tanzib> i'm using usb audio and only flash sound works
[23:54] <tanzib> can anyone help?
[23:54] <IntuitiveNipple> l337ingDisorder: unop's modified ls ... will handle the disk-mapper entries too
[23:54] <ActionParsnip1> !sound  tanzib
[23:55] <Brandano> BlackBeast: I'd try that USB based version. It intrigues me... I don't know if it's a live distro though
[23:55] <tanzib> thanks anyway
[23:55] <flx_> hlm: Yeah you need a few libs but I don't think its too bad...
[23:55] <jj_galvez> glitsj16: this is even odder, I found it under ulilities, but if I enter the package name in the search box nothing comes up
[23:55] <KevDog> georgy_28: Not from here?: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=916690
[23:55] <hlm> flx_, okay, thankyou for doing that for me; I wouldve done it myself but I have one synaptics running
[23:56] <IntuitiveNipple> l337ingDisorder: For example: for part in /dev/{[sh]d[a-z]*,dm-*}; do echo -n "$part "; done; echo
[23:56] <unop> l337ingDisorder, this might be better as it removes some of the duplicates.   for i in /dev/disk/by-uuid/*; do readlink -f "$i"; done
[23:56] <malibu> racecar56: Hey there.. how do I do the command line install?
[23:56] <DJNomad> ActionParsnip1, "usbdisk does not have to be named whatever my computer see's it as does it?
[23:56] <ivnrca> :) hi, i need help with sound in wolfestein enemy territory. this is my terminal log screen http://paste.ubuntu.com/119452/ (no sound when im runing the program)
[23:56] <BlackBeast> Brandano: i ndon't understand, i don't know much about english
[23:56] <ActionParsnip1> him: you can run: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop if you want kde, it will also install a load of kde apps for you to use but you can use your gnome ones too as you have the gnome libs
[23:56] <malibu> racecar56: I don't see the option
[23:56] <Hyena> how do i enable my second GFX-card?
[23:56] <eli_> my god, why can't I check this out of subversion. I just want to figgen download this god damn project and it won't let me, http://www.mono-project.com/Bitsharp
[23:56] <georgy_28> KevDog, : no, to much time, just form here :http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu
[23:57] <ActionParsnip1> DJNomad: nope you can call it anything you like, just don't put space in the folder name for ease of use
[23:57] <glitsj16> jj_galvez: looks like it made a mess of things indeed ... i would be inclined to purge it and try again installing it via gdebi-gtk
[23:57] <Brandano> ivnrca: lines 79 and 80 seem the culprits
[23:57] <hlm> how do I build and compile a windows c++ dsp project?
[23:57] <ActionParsnip1> !ohmy | eli_
[23:57] <jj_galvez> glitsj16: sounds like a really good idea
[23:57] <jj_galvez> glitsj16: thanks again
[23:57] <Brandano> ivnrca: apparently it can't write to /dev/dsp
[23:57] <eli_> Can someone tar this project for me because I can't download it with svn. http://www.mono-project.com/Bitsharp
[23:58] <eli_> i just need the source
[23:58] <ivnrca> what i have to do?
[23:58] <glitsj16> jj_galvez: very welcome, hope you get things fixed
[23:58] <IntuitiveNipple> l337ingDisorder: unop: Here's another variation, *only* lists partitions not raw block devices: for part in /dev/{[sh]d[a-z][0-9]*,dm-*}; do echo -n "$part "; done; echo
[23:58] <JPSman> I dual boot, and my windows has a virus im trying to cleanse from ubuntu.  How can I edit my windows registry from ubuntu??
[23:58] <flx_> eli_: have you looked up how to check stuff out of an SVN/
[23:58]  * nikrud looks at channel title, relaxes
[23:58] <eli_> yea it said the svn has moved
[23:58] <l337ingDisorder> unop: IntuitiveNipple: yeah for i in /dev/disk/by-uuid/*; do readlink -f "$i"; done seems to be perfect... many thanks :)
[23:59] <Brandano> JPSman: not sure you can. Can't you just boot windows in safe mode?
[23:59] <flx_> eli_: Have you gone to their channel / mailing list / whatever and asked them about that?
[23:59] <IntuitiveNipple> l337ingDisorder: Remember that not all devices will have a UUID
[23:59] <nikrud> IntuitiveNipple, they should ....
[23:59] <IntuitiveNipple> nikrud: but don't always, depends on their heritage
[23:59] <l337ingDisorder> IntuitiveNipple: I see... so for part in /dev/{[sh]d[a-z][0-9]*,dm-*}; do echo -n "$part "; done; echo would be the way to go then...
[23:59] <flx_> JPSman: http://www.arsgeek.com/2008/02/27/use-your-ubuntu-partition-to-fix-a-corrupt-registry-on-a-windows-xp-partition/ Just googled it... Might be similar


[02:19] <mhall119> ahoneybun: congratulations, by the way
[04:44] <Nothing_Much> single-fatherhood*
[04:44] <Nothing_Much> or something
[11:20] <ahoneybun> thanks mhall119 :)
[11:28]  * ahoneybun wonders where is the log from that meeting
[12:56] <danstoner> Is there a special "hardware certification edition" bootable usb image?
[12:57] <danstoner> the thing that runs the tests for hardware (e.g.  http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/  )
[12:57] <danstoner> I would like to boot from a USB stick and run something that says "yes, this laptop should work ok"
[13:33] <mhall119> balloons: ^^ can you answer that?
[13:35] <balloons> danstoner, the closest you will get to that I suppose is checkbox
[13:36] <balloons> but the 'tests' are not all automated (though you could only run the automated ones I guess). Some are semi-automated and require you to interact and interpert
[13:36] <danstoner> I thought sure I saw at one point a bootable USB image that included the same hardware tests used by "partners"
[13:38] <balloons> for what purpose?
[13:39] <danstoner> Walk into Best Buy, walk out with a laptop that should work with ubuntu.
[13:40] <balloons> right, I suspected as much
[13:41] <balloons> there's not going to be any magic there.. Although just bringing the livecd will more or less achieve the same thing. It has audio and video on it and you can test trackpad, etc
[13:41] <balloons> but checkbox would do the trick in that case if you wanted to sort of run through things
[14:36] <danstoner> or a Pawn Shop.


 Ok good to know (re @franksmcb: Please note that there will be a another respin coming very soon for Ubuntu and most flavours.)
 Are you actually helping out with testing or are you just keep posting random, non-constructive replies like in the other groups and channels...? (re @Swift110: Ok good to know)
 Are you actually helping out with testing or do you just keep posting random, non-constructive replies like in the other groups and channels...? (edited) (re @Swift110: Ok good to know)
 That was the plan but I see that you like to keep having something negative to say to me and I don't appreciate it. (re @Maik_aD: Are you actually helping out with testing or do you just keep posting random, non-constructive replies like in the other groups and channels...?)
 That was the plan but I see that you like to keep having something negative to say to me and I don't appreciate it.
 Frankly I don't care who you are or who you think you are but your always the one with the problem.  They fact that I respond "good to know when someone gives information shouldn't be something that triggers you to comment like that. (edited) (re @Maik_aD: Are you actually helping out with testing or do you just keep posting random, non-constructive replies like in the other groups
 I am curious as to what this respin will bring it course.
 you can download it and try it if you want :)
 Ok so basically you have found problems and are redoing things so those problems don't persist? (re @Jibel: not all the flavours are respun. We are rebuilding Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Budgie, Mate and Kylin)
 bugfixing, yes and then re-building the iso's that had those issue.
 bugfixing, yes and then re-building the iso's that had those issue. At least from what i understood. (edited)
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> im experience a snapt-store bug in fossa where teamviewer doesnt list under installed apps, i have to synaptic to purge it, might be interesting to test this on groovy too
 Hi all, there will be one last respin to fix a sound issue on intel hardware https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-lib/<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3
 we're waiting for the package to migrate before triggering new image builds
 stay tuned
 Besides, the fix for the nVidia issue from yesterday has been verified successfully.
[12:10] <guiverc> :)
[12:10] <guiverc> thanks @jibel
 @Jibel thanks for letting us know. I hope i'm able to give it a quick test spin later on.
 sure thing. Thanks for your help
 anytime :)
 is not release soon ?
 read the backlog ;) (re @bittin1: is not release soon ?)
 release is coming, but new build first
 libasound just migrated and builds have been triggered.
 great :)
 just in time at home to download when they are ready
 ah alright (re @Jibel: libasound just migrated and builds have been triggered.)
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 New builds 20201022 available on the tracker
 only smoke testing
 got it, just finished the usb stick
 booting into the live environment now
 sound level is fixed and working as should \o/
[15:06] <guiverc> :)
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 Forwarded from unknown: Ubuntu Unity 20.10 “Groovy Gorilla” is now available 🎉Details are available at https://ubuntuunity.org/2020/10/22/ubuntu-unity-20-10-groovy-gorilla-released/ :
 Forwarded from unknown:
 Forwarded from unknown:
 Downloading the torrent now, was busy hanging out a bit with dad
 Make sure you release UbuntuEd too (re @rs2009: )
 20.10 isn't released yet, there hasn't been an official announcement made so far. (re @bittin1: Downloading the torrent now, was busy hanging out a bit with dad)
 oh
 in mailing list
 the official Ubuntu and it's flavors that is (re @h: oh)
 UU is not a official flavor and Rudra can actually release whenever he feels like it
 if the announcement appears here THEN it's official: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-October/thread.html
 uh
 I think its official
 https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop
 On the ubuntu site the 20.10 download is available
 So I guess the announcement will come out any second onw
 So I guess the announcement will come out any mintue now (edited)
 WOOSH
 its finally here
 ffas
 *ffs
 5 hour upload

 rip
 rip means Rest In Peace... (re @h: rip)
 yes
 rip internet speed
 according to Eickmeyer it's only official when it appears on the mailinglist... but whatever. (re @ItzSwirlz: So I guess the announcement will come out any mintue now)
 in internet terms 'rip' is used all the time
 The mailing list announcement* will come out any minute now (re @Maik_aD: according to Eickmeyer it's only official when it appears on the mailinglist... but whatever.)
[18:19] <Eickmeyer> This is the single source of truth: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-October/thread.html
 ^^^
 well then
[18:20] <Deano59> "final beta released" :(
[18:20] <Deano59> Maik: are you a bot? lol
[18:21] <Maik> no
[18:21] <Deano59> then Maik_AD is. because they make no sense. :D
[18:21] <Maik> stop fooling around, thanks
 ^
 they are the same people
[18:22] <Deano59> "<ubuntutestingbot> [telegram] <Maik_aD> rip means Rest In Peace... (re @h: rip)"
[18:22] <Maik> i'm on both irc and telegram
[18:22] <Deano59> think *everyone* knows that...
[18:23] <Maik> Deano59: lets not polute this channel with offtopic chit-chat. We have #ubuntu-offtopic for that
 maybe by kids (re @ItzSwirlz: in internet terms 'rip' is used all the time)
 Yeah, it is by kids.
 Back to work
 have fun :)
 it's official: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-October/000263.html
[18:34] <luna_> congrats on the release :)
 NICE
 Yeah I just saw this
 https://twitter.com/ubuntu_mate/status/1319345647842168834
 Told ya any minute (re @Maik_aD: it's official: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-October/000263.html)
 Forwarded from unknown: Ubuntu Cinnamon Remix 20.10 "Groovy Gorilla" has been released!
 Learn More, and make sure you join our new Discord Server, all information here:
 https://ubuntucinnamon.org/ubuntu-cinnamon-remix-20-10-groovy-gorilla-released/
 https://ubuntustudio.org/2020/10/ubuntu-studio-20-10-released/
[20:14] <Deano59> it's been fun! bye (until next time... :D)


[18:43] <realtime-neil> Is this the right place to ask autopkgtest questions? How do I tell autopkgtest to run the things in `/path/to/foobar/debian/tests/control` against the already-built Debian artifacts `/tmp/libfoobar-dev_0.4.2_amd64.deb` `/tmp/libfoobar0_0.4.2_amd64.deb` ?


[07:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:00] <diplo> Morning all, anyone know how to change the banner name in qmail ?
[08:01] <SuperMatt> I'll bet you're using a plesk server
[08:02] <diplo> Nope, worse SME Server
[08:02] <diplo> I've found info on how to do it from 2004 so far :D
[08:06] <foobarry> diplo: do you still use redmine?
[08:07] <diplo> Didn't get the company to use it know, keep showing it to them every 6 months and don't get anywhere :/
[08:07] <foobarry> probably been using it for 10yrs now
[08:07] <diplo> I looked at phabricator or something recently that solus guys use, looks good too
[08:08] <foobarry> i keep going to meetings where companies are complaining that their super expensive ITIL service desk doesn't actually let users raise tickets
[08:08] <foobarry> the reason i asked is because performance in firefox sucks for some reason
[08:08] <foobarry> chrome is fine
[08:10] <diplo> The developers doing some wizardry that Chrome doesn't like ?
[08:10] <foobarry> i think firefox just sucks a bundle
[08:12] <diplo> See I've moved back to FF
[08:12] <diplo> :)
[08:12] <diplo> Got fed up with Chrome caching everything
[08:16] <foobarry> you can disable cache easily on chrime
[08:24] <diplo> yeah, thought I'd give FF a go, and to be honest had no issues at all in the last couple of months
[08:29] <foobarry> are you running multi process?
[08:35] <zmoylan-pi> i moved to vivaldi with firefox as my backup browser
[08:39] <diplo> I run stock 64bit FF with U origins and Badger thing
[08:50] <SuperMatt> I'm on FF too. I especially like the containers feature
[08:56] <diplo> Not looked/used that yet. read about it ages ago
[08:56] <diplo> is it a manual thing?
[09:03] <SuperMatt> Kinda Sorta
[09:03] <SuperMatt> but you can now force certain sites to work in certain containers
[09:03] <SuperMatt> so inbox.google.com is always in my personal container, as with facebook
[09:03] <popey> Good morning
[09:04] <SuperMatt> but all other sites are browsed through a container with no tracking cookies
[09:07] <foobarry> today is PR approval day
[09:08] <foobarry> its funny how nearly all your teams work lives on github where 3 years ago, none of it was
[09:12] <popey> Bit sad that we're all putting our free software in a non-free platform.
[09:13] <BigRedS> as long as you don't end up reliant on github-only things, it's still a free format/protocol, though
[09:14] <BigRedS> there is *some* vendor lock-in with github, but it's not as bad as it might be (from the bits I've seen)
[09:34] <sebsebseb> London tower block news hmm
[09:35] <sebsebseb> awful really
[09:39] <zmoylan-pi> there are fires all the time... i wonder what went wrong for this one to spread as it did
[09:46] <SuperMatt> It spead on the outside. I think there was some coating put on the outside which probably accelerated the fire
[09:46] <SuperMatt> also, with the summer heat, many people would have slept with windows open - making the curtains a nice thing for a fire to catch on to
[09:49] <foobarry> sure and we have a github enterprise internal appliance too
[09:49] <foobarry> the features they are adding all the time  are excellent though and really help our workflow
[09:50] <foobarry> even just the simple stuff such as PR reviews etc
[10:02] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: SuperMatt  apparantly this is the worst fire like that in the country or whatever BBC Said, and yes something was on the outside of builiding that appreantly sprad it
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> so it looks like they've been spraying the buildings with a cladding that is aluminium... the material that caused the hindenburg... the same material in the solid rocket boosters of the space shuttle...
[10:48] <TwistedLucidity> Aluminium is perfectly stable and safe. Until you scratch it....
[10:48] <zmoylan-pi> and then it's rocket fuel...
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> throw in an iron cored building and you have the ingredients of thermite...
[10:49] <foobarry> my missis said that BBC named and shamed someone as the cause of the fire
[10:49] <foobarry> hardly helpful
[10:50] <zmoylan-pi> far too soon. and i'm more worried that other buildings are now fire traps
[10:53] <sebsebseb> foobarry: named who?  apparnatly it was a fridge that exploded that caused it
[10:54] <foobarry> yeah
[10:54] <sebsebseb> they didn't put a name though
[10:54] <foobarry> they still named the fridge owner
[10:54] <sebsebseb> did they ?
[10:54] <sebsebseb> where?
[10:54] <sebsebseb> I been watching the report on tv, but  no name
[10:54] <foobarry> they interviewed his neighbour
[10:54] <sebsebseb> ah right I see like that ok
[10:55] <sebsebseb> foobarry: they weren't so keen on the guy earlier who swore on his report, but then was like, but this shows the general anger, after
[11:01] <foobarry> i am definitely not watching
[11:02] <sebsebseb> foobarry: how come?
[11:02] <foobarry> media is too depressing
[11:02] <sebsebseb> ah right yeah
[11:02] <sebsebseb> I should turn off in a way , since seen enough of this already, but going to get ready for something in a bit anyway etc
[11:04] <sebsebseb> foobarry: media is to depressing in general ?
[11:04] <sebsebseb> bad things that hapapended
[11:06] <foobarry> in general, plus the constant obsessing over political landscape is turning everyone into permanently worried and angry ppl
[11:07] <sebsebseb> foobarry: or I sort of turn  off but not quite h eh,  I just changed to sky news.  seen bbc for about two hours already so.  but I am actsaully gettng away from tv and getting ready for something in a bit anyway
[11:07] <sebsebseb> that's quite differnet courage
[11:09] <sebsebseb> foobarry: yeah and media likes to scare in general
[11:13] <jbassett_> Hello all
[11:13] <jbassett_> Just starting to get my head around Ansibel
[11:14] <jbassett_> Success with a .yml file to install ubuntu updates but having trouble getting it working to install a package
[11:14] <jbassett_> tried the syntax from the official manual on website as well as various other methods I have found online, all fail
[11:15] <jbassett_> Trying this but fails
[11:15] <jbassett_> - name: Ensure aptitude package is installed
[11:15] <jbassett_> apt: name=aptitude state=present
[11:15] <jbassett_> Returns ERROR! Syntax Error while loading YAML.
[11:15] <jbassett_> Where an I going wrong?
[12:20] <awilkins> Is apt indented at the same level as name?
[12:21] <awilkins> Could always try the name and state params on separate lines like all the examples in the docs : http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/apt_module.html
[13:57] <foobarry> nobody told me a new release of http://www.templeos.org/ came out in march!
[13:59] <zmoylan-pi> we released a white dove as notification...
[14:04] <foobarry> please don't watch the youtube links
[14:04] <foobarry> if you don't want to be offended bit a stream of racist werid schizo ranting
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> ...so like every other online conversation...
[14:07] <foobarry> worse
[14:10] <SuperMatt> I have no words
[14:21] <foobarry> oh no , you clicked?
[14:28] <SuperMatt> I only looked at the front few pages. I didn't follow any links
[14:28] <foobarry> ah few
[14:30] <SuperEngineer> Just been decommosioning my old Dell Dimension E520 pc.  Damn, that thing is well built [lessons could still be learned by other manufacturers!
[14:30] <foobarry> lots of metal
[14:31] <SuperEngineer> foobarry: most definitely
[14:32] <SuperEngineer> Rescued the 2 spinning rusts [recently DBAN'd], the old basic [but stil with own fan] Gforce 220 card
[14:33] <foobarry> waiting for my 10 rpi to arrive any moment now
[14:33] <SuperEngineer> ...& for somew unknown reason, the 4:-)
[14:34] <SuperEngineer> Just pulled the old DIMs from it as well... resisted temptation to pull the psu & cd drive ;-)
[14:35] <SuperEngineer> ...just realised, even the 1 jumper on m/b has a hand-pull on it... that's just boasting, Dell!
[14:36]  * SuperEngineer rescues kand pull endowed jumper!
[14:38] <SuperEngineer> Anybody here want an old Dell Dimension E520? [need to supply own spinning rust, vid card, memory... and jumper :-D
[14:39] <SuperEngineer> [& need to supply own SATA leads] ;-)
[14:41] <SuperEngineer> fooberr10 rpi = "10 revs per inch" or "will post to SuperEngineer when recieved"?
[14:41] <foobarry> or will eat
[14:42] <SuperEngineer> :-)
[15:19] <foobarry> any R users in here? had a script fail with Rscript but not R --no-restore, wondered why
[16:21] <dogmatic69> having some strange issues. Sound is disabled in the top bar but plays fine. Cant adjust the volume.
[16:21] <dogmatic69> sound settings shows nothing that can play sound
[16:23] <dogmatic69> http://i.imgur.com/EvAmtxi.png
[16:23] <dogmatic69> see the icon is grayed out, mute is ticked and cant be un-ticked. sound settings show no devices
[16:32] <dogmatic69_> Just tried to restart and see if that would fix it and now ont boot
[16:32] <dogmatic69_> Won't boot*
[16:37] <dogmatic69__> anyone seen my messages? cant see them in the logs
[16:38] <dogmatic69__> just restarted and its stuck on a bliking cursor
[16:54] <dogmatic69__> failsafe boot does not work either :(
[17:20] <diddledan> :'( london can't catch a break
[20:49] <dogmatic69_> ok, I am now trying to reinstall ubuntu and on the installation it does not give the reinstall option. says its not detected any OS
[20:50] <dogmatic69_> any ideas why it does not find the install, the disk if viewable, I can see all files etc.
[20:50] <dogmatic69_> its mounted from/as /dev/sda5


[00:11] <RAOF> Oh!  *That's* what all the ?Xorg assert failure: *** glibc detected *** $STUFF? bugs are.
[00:11] <RAOF> It's our apport-integration patch working slightly too well :)
[00:53] <Sarvatt> RAOF: you've actually seen xorg assert failure bugs? I haven't since karmic
[00:53] <Sarvatt> we used to get craploads of them
[00:54] <RAOF> bug #839039 is one.
[00:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 839039 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg assert failure: *** glibc detected *** X: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x0000000001970070 *** (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/839039
[14:11] <ashams> Hi
[14:12] <ashams> a bug report suggests a change to the default config
[14:12] <ashams> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/850923
[14:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 850923 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "Two-finger scrolling is off by default (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[14:12] <ashams> we need an opinion there to continue triagging
[14:35] <tjaalton> ashams: done
[14:36] <ashams> tjaalton: thanks
[14:37] <jcristau> tjaalton: but, but mac os x does it the other way!
[14:37] <tjaalton> jcristau: indeed!
[14:38] <tjaalton> I'd like the abomination called lenovo touchpad disabled by default, but doubt that it'll happen :P
[14:39] <tjaalton> or maybe the driver could tell if it's my palm hitting it instead of the finger
[14:39] <tjaalton> that would be something
[14:48] <bjsnider> how could the driver accomplish that?
[15:18] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: install gpointing-device-settings
[15:18] <Sarvatt> screw with the palm detection sliders
[15:18] <Sarvatt> you can do it manually via synclient too
[15:19] <Sarvatt> but its just magic numbers you have to guess in 3 values, easier with a slider you can adjust in real time to see
[15:22] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: ooh, will try it out
[15:28] <tjaalton> oh well, looks like it's just parts of my lower thumb hitting it, so even the narrowest detection range isn't small enough..
[15:28] <tjaalton> best to just disable it locally
[18:58] <bryceh> tjaalton, you around?
[19:59] <soreau> Hey guys, I installed xorg-edgers on natty but glxinfo still reports OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.10.2 while mesa master I built reports OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.12-devel (git-47b556f)
[20:00] <soreau> What's the deal?
[20:01] <bryceh> soreau, I would suspect the edgers scripts don't substitute in the version string, so it'd just be whatever's provided by upstream
[20:01] <Sarvatt> it's working here
[20:01] <Sarvatt> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2
[20:01] <Sarvatt> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.12-devel
[20:01] <Sarvatt> (natty edgers)
[20:01] <bryceh> although I'd expect it'd show something newer than 7.10.2 if that's the case
[20:01] <soreau> huh
[20:02] <bryceh> soreau, did you reboot after installing edgers?
[20:02] <soreau> bryceh: of course
[20:02] <soreau> How can I check what's going wrong?
[20:02] <soreau> It installed all the usual packages, X mesa, ddx
[20:02] <Sarvatt> soreau: pastebin  ldd `which glxinfo` and LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo 1>/dev/null outputs?
[20:02] <soreau> Oh wait..
[20:03] <soreau> The following packages have been kept back:  libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa-drivers libffi-dev libgbm1 libgl1-mesa-dri  libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental xserver-xorg-core
[20:03] <soreau> wtf?
[20:03] <Sarvatt> hmm
[20:03] <Sarvatt> does apt-get dist-upgrade work instead of apt-get upgrade?
[20:03] <soreau> let me try after this upgrade completes
[20:04] <Sarvatt> thats odd though
[20:08] <Sarvatt> if anything try installing xserver-xorg-core or libgl1-mesa-dri individually to see more info on why its held back
[20:49] <Sarvatt> soreau: figure it out?
[20:49] <soreau> Sarvatt: Oh I got a million things going
[20:49]  * soreau goes to try it
[20:49] <soreau> Sarvatt: Yep, dist-upgrade is doing it
[20:49] <Sarvatt> oh no worries, ya just got me interested in case it's a problem with the PPA packages and not just your local setup
[20:49] <Sarvatt> oh ok
[20:49] <soreau> sorry for the delay
[20:50] <Sarvatt> probably the libffi transition that had to be done because of multiarch
[20:50] <soreau> I don't really understand why some things are reserved for dist-upgrade
[20:51] <Sarvatt> upgrade wont remove packages
[20:51] <Sarvatt> but things have to be removed so the newer one that conflicts can be installed
[20:52] <Sarvatt> not sure why xorg-server was in that list but libffi5->libffi6 transition would cause that
[20:53] <soreau> I see
[20:53] <soreau> Thanks Sarvatt
[20:54] <Sarvatt> no worries, glad it was something easy and not the PPA being busted :)
[20:54] <soreau> Yea me too
[20:54] <Sarvatt> by the way, are you on amd64? if you ever feel adventurous multiarch is enabled in there so you can install the i386 stuff directly
[20:55] <soreau> Nope, I a=only have 32bit systems available
[20:55] <soreau> erm.. only*
[20:55] <Sarvatt> ah gotcha, only have i386 for natty also because ia32-libs mesa for wine is a nightmare :)
[20:55] <soreau> Oh yes...
[20:56] <soreau> As a matter of fact, I'm investigating a bug right now where wine+steam+portal causes a hard lock
[20:56] <soreau> on rv350
[20:56] <Sarvatt> multiarch fixes that though if you go oneiric, can install the 32 bit mesa directly
[20:56] <soreau> Yea I heard on 64bit it's somewhat of a nightmare trying to get 32bit wine stuff going
[21:05] <tjaalton> bryceh: sitting on a bus, what's up?
[21:08] <tjaalton> will jump off soon :)
[21:10] <bryceh> tjaalton, nevermind, just had a question about a wacom fix, but figured it otu
[21:12] <Sarvatt> I think we've passed jaunty in the most frequently broken development release awards, this cycle is nuts :)
[21:14] <Sarvatt> granted i started with the intrepid dev cycle
[21:15] <tjaalton> bryceh: oh cool
[21:15] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: my thoughts exactly
[21:17] <bryceh> Sarvatt, what are you seeing as the main sources of breakages?  lightdm, gnome3 transition, ?
[21:17] <Sarvatt> compiz, unity, lightdm, upstart
[21:18] <bryceh> so, basically everything we do development on in-house.  heh
[21:18] <Sarvatt> ha, never thought of that
[21:19] <tjaalton> :P
[21:19] <bryceh> good thing you don't use ubuntu-one
[21:19] <Sarvatt> i gave up on that 2 cycles ago, perpetually broken in development releases
[21:19] <seb128> half of those which didn't really change this cycle (i.e compiz and upstart)
[21:20] <bryceh> (presumably it's not upstart itself which was broken but rather upstart scripts in various services?)
[21:20] <jcristau> bryceh: the breakage for everything else gets to rawhide instead? :)
[21:21] <Sarvatt> seb128: more specifically upstart rules changing, adding 2 minutes boot time that looks like the system is hung on every system I have and deciding a release note is the way to go, speeding up the already racy init process and exposing breakage other places
[21:21] <bryceh> Sarvatt, suspect compiz problems were due to unity exercising it in unexpected ways?
[21:21] <bryceh> jcristau, yay fedora
[21:21] <tjaalton> rolling rolling rolling..
[21:22] <seb128> Sarvatt, ok, seems other are more lucky than you ;-)
[21:22] <Sarvatt> yeah definitely feels that way :)
[21:22] <seb128> we have reviewed some bootcharts in #ubuntu-desktop and nobody has such hangs
[21:23] <Sarvatt> the +2 minutes was from ubiquity adding an "auto eth0" line during the install process due to the way I installed
[21:23] <Sarvatt> wifi doesnt work on lots of these prerelease machines, so i have to plug in an ethernet cable
[21:23] <seb128> some people have xorg getting busy for 1 second at each screen,resolution probes from g-s-d though
[21:23] <Sarvatt> and it adds that entry if you're on ethernet, but when you later dont have ethernet plugged in it adds 2 minutes to the boot time
[21:23] <seb128> which it tends to do a few times at logging
[21:24] <Sarvatt> (real common use case on laptops I'd think)
[21:24] <seb128> urg
[21:24] <seb128> well just a bug during an unstable cycle, it will probably be fixed before stable ;-)
[21:27] <bryceh> seb128, I talked to keithp and jbarnes about the VGA probe 1 second delay at XDS
[21:27] <Sarvatt> compiz/unity problems are mostly just soname transitions every thursday/friday and accidentally letting it remove packages, thats my fault
[21:28] <bryceh> they said it was a known issue but no patch available yet
[21:28] <seb128> ok
[21:28] <seb128> is that being worked in some way, or just on a stack of "known issues nobody has time to work on"?
[21:29] <bryceh> seb128, sounded in between the two
[21:29] <Sarvatt> I fear the latter which means we're going to ship with it this close to release
[21:29] <bryceh> I can escalate it to Intel officially, if there's a bug# open for it
[21:30] <seb128> it has been discussed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/828112
[21:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 828112 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Password field feedback slow at times (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 30)" [High,Triaged]
[21:30] <seb128> not sure if somebody opened a clear xorg or linux bug
[21:30] <bryceh> yeah I'd need a discrete report, I don't think intel would accept that for an escalation
[21:31] <seb128> ok, I will ask somebody who gets the bug to open one using ubuntu-bug
[21:31] <seb128> i.e jasoncwarner gets it on his box
[21:31] <Sarvatt> what bugs me is I cant reproduce it on anything here and i've got way too many machines
[21:31] <seb128> dholbach as well
[21:32] <seb128> they both have recent thinkpads x2.. I think
[21:32] <seb128> dholbach has a x220
[21:32] <bryceh> seb128, great thanks; yeah file against xorg so it'll attach the usual files.  I can handle sending it to fdo and gettingn eyeballs on it
[21:32] <seb128> bryceh, ok, will do, thanks
[21:33] <Sarvatt> x220 both of them, it really seems limited to lenovo machines and i dont know if the lenovo platform driver is aggrevating it (thats my first hunch)
[21:33] <bryceh> "platform driver"?
[21:34] <Sarvatt> thinkpad-acpi
[21:34] <bryceh> ah
[21:34] <Sarvatt> thinkpad_acpi rather
[21:35] <bryceh> well, if that's really just acpi I should doubt it'd affect vga probing but who knows, acpi is dark magick
[21:35] <seb128> interesting comment on #ubuntu-desktop btw
[21:44] <soreau> Now it says OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.12-devel, at least
[21:45] <soreau> wonder why it doesn't have the git id string
[21:45] <Sarvatt> bryceh: chrisccoulson's numbers are more in line with the regression intel is talking about, its the insane thinkpad delays i'm confused about
[21:45] <Sarvatt> thats why i'm wondering wtf is going on, thinkpad_acpi is my first guess
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> we've sort-of mitigated it a little bit, by reducing the amount of times we do the probing at session start
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> but that doesn't help with the crazy thinkpad numbers
[21:46] <Sarvatt> lightdm is borderline unusable just on thinkpad machines from what i can see
[21:46] <bryceh> Sarvatt, maybe try blacklisting thinkpad_acpi and see if the numbers return to sanity?
[21:46] <Sarvatt> that 5 second xrandr probe is making lightdm run at 1fps and its super laggy
[21:47] <bryceh> nice
[21:48] <Sarvatt> good call, asking someone with a x220 to try thinkpad_acpi.diediedie=1 so it doesnt load
[21:53] <Sarvatt> bryceh: "felt a tad more responsive typing wise, but still laggy trackpad/touchpoint wise"
[21:53] <Sarvatt> so probably not thinkpad_acpi, hrm
[22:00] <soreau> Sarvatt: Can you tell me where the real libGL.so lives?
[22:00] <soreau> Is it /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so or /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so?
[22:02] <soreau> Well I guess one is a symlink to the other which is a symlink to libGL.so.1 which is a symlink to libGL.so.1.2
[22:02] <soreau> what a chain :P
[22:03] <bryceh> ls -l /etc/alternatives/gl_conf
[22:07] <Sarvatt> soreau: second one
[22:08] <soreau> Sarvatt: Like I said, they're all symlinks so I found out
[22:08] <soreau> pointing to libGL.so.1.2
[22:09] <Sarvatt> sorry i'm slow, yeah you got it :)
[22:09] <soreau> I don't understand why it works that way anyhow. Why can't there just be a single file instead of a lot of confusion
[22:09] <soreau> rhetorical question because I know there's some insane, in depth theory behind it
[22:11] <Sarvatt> you nailed it, very involved :)
[22:11] <RAOF> soreau: Because you only install one file - libGL.so.$SOVERSION.$WHATEVER_MINOR_VERSION_YOU_WANT and the linker looks for libGL.so.$SOVERSION.
[22:13] <soreau> RAOF: There's no obvious sane reason for all of that overcomplexity.   How would you be able to parallel install different minor versions of libGL if it were otherwise :)
[22:14] <soreau> You don't. You install a new version of whatever package provides libGL.so and be done with it
[22:15] <Sarvatt> its supposed to be api compatible between minor version updates but not the major ones, the actual lib is version .1.2 but things link against the .1 and the links work out the rest so you dont have to worry if you go from .1.1 to .1.2
[22:15]  * Sarvatt hopes that makes sense after beer o'clock
[22:16] <soreau> I'm sure it's beer-thirty somewhere..
[22:16] <soreau> maybe I should go to the store :P
[22:16] <bryceh> soreau, people like to have multiple video drivers installed simultaneously for various reasons
[22:16] <soreau> bryceh: Yes, because they're crazy
[22:16] <soreau> which isn't always necessarily a bad thing
[22:17] <Sarvatt> glxgears wants libGL.so.1, libGL.so.1 is a link to libGL.so.1.2, if it was bumped to libGL.so.1.3 that libGL.so.1 sould still exist but if it went to libGL.so.2 it wouldnt
[22:17] <soreau> Sarvatt: And the version is tied to the file name exclusively..
[22:17] <Sarvatt> glxgears would have to be recompiled and link aganst libGL.so.2 instead
[22:18] <soreau> ie, you can't just grab libGL.so and check what version it is somehow
[22:19] <RAOF> Actually, you can; it's embedded in the file as the SONAME.
[22:19] <Sarvatt> .so isn't a runtime, its what the thing gets compiled against, the .so points to whatever the current one is
[22:19] <RAOF> So you could consider the links as a performance optimisation if you like.
[22:20] <RAOF> Because reading a dentry is much faster than reading the dentry, reading a bunch of the file, and parsing out the SONAME.
[22:20]  * soreau wishes people wouldn't answer questions labeled rhetorical
[22:20] <soreau> This is about as pointless as trying to discuss why politics, computers and humans all suck
[22:22] <Sarvatt> noted, non-sensical answering stopped now :)
[22:26] <soreau> RAOF: I guess :P
[23:38] <bjsnider> soreau, we also need the alternatives for libgl.so because the nvidia driver provides its own, and if we don't do alternatives it will likely overwrite and destroy mesa's file
[23:38] <bjsnider> that creates an extra set of links
[23:42] <soreau> bjsnider: So the nvidia driver just creates one libGL.so, which is the real one?
[23:42] <soreau> IIRC, fglrx does that too..
[23:42] <bjsnider> no, i think fglrx uses mesa, but i'm not sure
[23:42] <soreau> No, it does not
[23:42] <bjsnider> if you have the nvidia driver installed, you have 2 libgl.so files
[23:43] <bjsnider> alternatives then switches to link everything to nvidia's libs instead of mesa
[23:43] <bjsnider> when you remove the nvidia driver, hte links are switched back to mesa
[23:44] <bjsnider> nvidia doesn't use mesa in any way as far as i can tell, and it has its own memory manager, so it doesn't use gem or ttm either