[00:30] <djshotglass> xubuntu have and dists without X?
[00:31] <djshotglass> (command line only)
[00:55] <Guest60089> hello
[00:57] <meglo> http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/2009/02/27/not-the-best-friday/#more-581
[00:58] <meglo> Is anything this guy says valid, like suspend/hibernate... that would be linux acpi specific or ???
[01:01] <meglo> openbsd doesn't use hal eh
[01:02] <meglo> wrong channel :x
[03:35] <Searingheart> hai guise
[03:36] <meglo> out get
[03:36] <Searingheart> wat
[03:36] <meglo> :>
[03:37] <Searingheart> dont go breakin mah <3
[07:32] <toehio2> Other than Xubuntu uses XFCE instead of GDM, what makes it more suitable for older machines?
[07:32] <Sysi> xubuntu use gdm too
[07:33] <Sysi> ubuntu has gnome which needs more memory
[07:33] <Sysi> but gnome use gdm also
[07:33] <toehio2> sorry, I meant Gnome
[07:34] <toehio2> if I were to use Gnome on xubuntu, would it be faster than using Gnome on ubuntu?
[07:34] <Sysi> no
[07:34] <toehio2> so the only difference is the window manager?
[07:34] <Sysi> and some programs are different
[07:36] <toehio2> yeah
[07:36] <toehio2> OK, I guess that answers my query
[07:36] <toehio2> Thank you!
[07:43] <mikubuntu> anybody have any sperience w vuze, formerly azureus?
[09:10] <zniavre> hello /bonjour
[09:55] <evilfrits> hi
[11:34] <dsdeiz> hello, how do i remove this "New Item" icon from the Desktop?
[11:39] <SiDi> dsdeiz: i never heard of such an icon
[11:39] <SiDi> May you take a screenshot please ?
[11:42] <dsdeiz> doing it now
[11:43] <dsdeiz> http://yfrog.com/03200909091839101280x800sp <- here
[11:44] <dsdeiz> i think you call it a panel?
[11:59] <SiDi> dsdeiz: yes, this is a panel
[12:00] <SiDi> dsdeiz: it looks like you deleted your top and bottom panel and added an empty one afterwards
[12:00] <SiDi> (you or someone with access to your computer / this can also be a bug but i've just never seen that happening before)
[12:01] <SiDi> dsdeiz: you can right click that panel, and click on 'Configure panel' if you want to restore it to the top / bottom, add another one, etc
[12:01] <dsdeiz> yups. got it working now
[12:01] <SiDi> however it might be faster to just destroy the current panel configuration and let xubuntu restore a new one
[12:02] <dsdeiz> hmm, actually i have ubuntu and just installed xfce
[12:02] <SiDi> oh
[12:02] <SiDi> did you install xfce4 ?
[12:02] <dsdeiz> yups
[12:02] <SiDi> okey
[12:02] <SiDi> you should have installed xubuntu-desktop instead :)
[12:02] <dsdeiz> oh?
[12:02] <SiDi> it comes with a default xfce configuration, which can be practical
[12:02] <dsdeiz> dang
[12:02] <dsdeiz> oh i see
[12:02] <SiDi> i propose you to boot back to ubuntu+gnome
[12:02] <dsdeiz> i'll check on it
[12:03] <SiDi> then, delete .config/xfce4/ folder, and install xubuntu-desktop
[12:03] <SiDi> so that the next time you boot on xfce you'll have a proper configuration setup
[12:03] <dsdeiz> ahh, so with that, i get the xubuntu setup of xfce?
[12:03] <SiDi> yes
[12:04] <SiDi> And you'll have more XFCE applications installed than just the core
[12:04] <dsdeiz> dang, why didn't i see that. ok, got it. thanks ;)
[12:04] <SiDi> (xfce is very modular, xfce4 itself is only the panel, the file manager and the window manager)
[12:04] <dsdeiz> is there like a list of what apps are being installed with xubuntu-desktop?
[12:04] <SiDi> It will show you when you install it
[12:05] <SiDi> Basically, aside from those you have, there are mousepad, abiword, gnumeric
[12:05] <SiDi> and gpicview
[12:05] <SiDi> of course you can delete those afterwards if you dont need them
[12:05] <SiDi> (and also listen music player and orage calendar will be installed, which you can remove too if you dont need them. orage is cool though)
[12:06] <dsdeiz> hmm, yeah. some gnome-apps are being listed too
[12:07] <dsdeiz> anyways, i'm good with xfce4 for now. but i shall definitely install xubuntu-desktop on my other computer
[12:07] <dsdeiz> get the xubuntu iso rather
[12:09] <SiDi> (you can still install xubuntu-artwork on your machine though :P)
[12:10] <dsdeiz> ahh, apt-get'ing it now
[12:10] <SiDi> xfce4-appfinder xfce4-governor-plugin xfce4-mixer xfce4-screenshooter xfce4-settings and xfce4-xfapplet-plugin may also interest you
[12:11] <dsdeiz> noo! stop! lolz. i think i actually have orage already :P
[12:12] <dsdeiz> so how do i use this xubuntu-artwork?
[12:12] <SiDi> it added a gtk theme, xfwm themes, a cool wallpaper, and most important of all, THE gdm theme
[12:13] <SiDi>  /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-jaunty.png and xubuntu-jaunty-ws.png are now available
[13:55] <dsdeiz> hello, how do i make use of xubuntu-artwork again?
[13:56] <SiDi> dsdeiz: once its installed it will just add a gdm theme, a wallpaper (in /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/) and a gtk and icon themes
[13:56] <dsdeiz> SiDi: so how do i try to change my icons?
[13:56] <SiDi> so you can get them through the theming utilities available for each component
[13:56] <SiDi> Applications -> Settings -> Appearence
[13:56] <SiDi> same for the theme
[13:56] <SiDi> GDM themes are in Applications -> System -> Login window
[13:56] <SiDi> Wallpapers are in Applications -> Settings -> Desktop
[13:57] <SiDi> The applications menu is automatically added with xubuntu-desktop but you can add it manually to your panel, it's the XFCE Menu
[13:57] <dsdeiz> SiDi: i went for window in Appearance but it doesn't seem to change anything
[13:57] <SiDi> Do you run compiz / metacity ?
[13:58] <SiDi> (show me a screenshot of your windows please)
[13:58] <dsdeiz> ok
[14:00] <dsdeiz> http://img406.yfrog.com/i/200909092059401280x800s.png/
[14:01] <dsdeiz> is it like xfce's window manager that i need?
[14:09] <dsdeiz> SiDi: ahh, got it working now
[14:10] <SiDi> What is that window on your screenshot ?
[14:10] <SiDi> I've never seen this
[14:11] <dsdeiz> oh? that's what i got when i went to menu > Settings > Appearance.
[14:11] <dsdeiz> maybe it's an app from Gnome?
[14:15] <SiDi> What do you see if you type xfce4-appearence-settings in a terminal ?
[14:15] <SiDi> Should look like the one on the right on this screenshot : http://imagebin.ca/view/SHRHBq-P.html
[14:27] <dsdeiz> SiDi: i don't have that command
[14:27] <PeterDarkness> O.o
[14:28] <dsdeiz> bash: xfce4-appearence-settings: command not found
[14:28] <PeterDarkness> yeah, what is that? haha
[14:30] <knome> dsdeiz, looks like you have lxde.
[14:30] <dsdeiz> ahh right
[14:30] <dsdeiz> yeah, i also have that
[14:30] <dsdeiz> :D
[14:31] <knome> no, you're running it.
[14:31] <dsdeiz> oh?
[14:31] <knome> as it turns out, yes.
[14:31] <dsdeiz> may i ask how would i know?
[14:31] <knome> judged by how it looks.
[14:31] <dsdeiz> i just actually found it in the xfce menu
[14:31] <SiDi> this window you have shown me, its the LXDE appearence settings
[14:32] <SiDi> I seriously recommend you to install xubuntu-desktop and to delete your ~/.config/xfce/ folder from your gnome / lxde session so you can start on sane bases
[14:32] <dsdeiz> hmm, can i have two de's running?
[14:32] <SiDi> no, but you can have apps from two DEs running, which seems to be the case
[14:32] <dsdeiz> right
[14:33] <dsdeiz> correct, though knome says i have it running
[14:33] <knome> dsdeiz, it is possible you run xfce also, but this app is from lxde for sure
[14:34] <dsdeiz> oh ok. right.. i think it's from lxde too
[14:34] <knome> dsdeiz, anyway, you'd need to run the xfce appearance settings.
[14:34] <dsdeiz> is it xfce-setting-show?
[14:36] <knome> no, xfce4-appearance-settings
[14:36] <dsdeiz> well, it isn't available on my case
[14:36] <SiDi> You apparently lack xfce4-settings
[14:36] <SiDi> i wouldnt be surprised if you lack many other things like xfce4-session
[14:36] <dsdeiz> hmm, i have xfce4-session
[14:37] <dsdeiz> though i've already found how to change its settings, so i'm good
[14:37] <dsdeiz> thanks guys ;)
[14:38] <SiDi> you're welcome
[15:40] <miguelonnnn> hii
[15:40] <miguelonnnn> please i got a question, would anybody help me? it's about my nic
[15:44] <knome> !ask | miguelonnnn
[15:45] <miguelonnnn> hi ! ok ok
[15:45] <miguelonnnn> well, networkmanager lists the ap's, i can connect to them, and theres no problem at all, so i guess the kernel driver module is loaded well, and everything is fine
[15:46] <miguelonnnn> but the iwlist scan won't work , it keeps saying "interface doesn't support scaning"
[15:46] <miguelonnnn> it keeps saying "interface doesn't support scanning", i don't know how to solve it
[15:52] <knome> miguelonnnn, maybe the interface really doesn't support scanning with the driver it uses at the moment.
[15:52] <knome> miguelonnnn, if i remember correctly, some chipsets can use networks, but not scan them with open source drivers.
[15:53] <miguelonnnn> hmm
[15:53] <knome> miguelonnnn, you should google for your wifi card/dongle and its linux-compatibility
[15:53] <miguelonnnn> but then why networkmanager can scan?
[15:53] <miguelonnnn> but i can connect to lans with the networkmanager applet
[15:54] <miguelonnnn> i've googled many times, but couldn't find any solution
[15:54] <knome> but you can't do what then?
[15:54] <miguelonnnn> i can't scan with iwlist scan command
[15:54] <knome> why should you do that?
[15:54] <miguelonnnn> because i don't like networkmanager
[15:54] <knome> use wicd then, for example
[15:55] <miguelonnnn> it's too slow to detect wifi lans, i make it and it takes 15 -20 seconds to find it,
[15:55] <knome> i'm not sure if iwlist would be any faster.
[15:55] <miguelonnnn> yeah, but anyway that doesn't solve the problem with iwlist, it should let me find scans, shouldn't it?
[15:56] <miguelonnnn> i simply get "interface doesn't support scaning"
[15:56] <knome> i don't know, but to be honest, as long as networkmanager works for you, i have no intention to find out. if you want to get iwlist working, you should file a bug.
[15:57] <miguelonnnn> hmm and where do i send it?
[15:57] <knome> !bugs | miguelonnnn
[15:57] <miguelonnnn> mmm nice hehe thanks i'll try
[15:57] <miguelonnnn> but will they help me?
[15:57] <miguelonnnn> cause i don't thing this is a bug
[15:58] <knome> there is no guarantee somebody will fix it right now.
[15:59] <miguelonnnn> hmmm then it won't help me, i don't thing this is a bug, it's simply something about my config
[15:59] <miguelonnnn> because airoscript neither lets me scan
[15:59] <knome> miguelonnnn, did you use sudo with iwlisT?
[15:59] <miguelonnnn>  i think it has to do with the way i use them, maybe i should config any file first or .... don't know
[16:00] <miguelonnnn> nope, w8 please i'll try
[16:00] <miguelonnnn> lol
[16:00] <miguelonnnn> that worked!!!!1
[16:00] <miguelonnnn> yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh how did you know?
[16:00] <knome> i googled "iwlist interface doesn't support scanning"
[16:00] <knome> and read the first search result
[16:01] <miguelonnnn> wow, nice try, i typed "interface doesn't suport scanning" and didn't find anything
[16:01] <knome> which is from ubuntuforums.org
[16:02] <miguelonnnn> greattttt and it's much better than networkmanager, cause it tells me a lot of info: frequency, channel, mode, quality, bit rates...
[16:02] <abhifx> my multimedia keys doesn't work? how to enable them?
[16:02] <miguelonnnn> mine neither, i can't even use funciton keys lol xd
[16:02] <knome> abhifx, http://open.knome.fi/2009/07/05/panels-disappearing-and-other-frequently-asked-questions/
[16:03] <knome> abhifx, see the near bottom
[16:03] <knome> miguelonnnn, function keys for what?
[16:03] <abhifx> knome : ok m going to check it. thank you.
[16:04] <knome> abhifx, you're welcome. hope it fixes your problem.
[16:04] <miguelonnnn> for f1, f2... you know
[16:04] <miguelonnnn> for example alt+f2 to runc ommands won't work
[16:05] <miguelonnnn> but hey, i'm not such exigent, i have enough if the usual keys work
[16:05] <abhifx> knome : hmm... i didnt undertood.... i just couldnt make it work
[16:06] <knome> abhifx, okay, so go into the keyboard settings
[16:06] <abhifx> knome: i get the option of cancel. i think i am just too dumb, can you explain me a bit
[16:07] <abhifx> knome : i am at the settings
[16:07] <knome> abhifx, when you get the window with "cancel", you should press the multimedia key which you are setting.
[16:08] <abhifx> knome : oh i did it, just had to press the key
[16:08] <knome> abhifx, press which key? cancel?
[16:08] <abhifx> knome : heh heh, well thank you very much
[16:09] <knome> okay, no problem.
[16:12] <abhifx> knome : is there a full list for all keys
[16:13] <knome> abhifx, you mean all the keys in your keyboard?
[16:13] <knome> abhifx, just look down ;)
[16:13] <abhifx> knome : and i was wondering, your nick is knome... and i just visited the site knome...hmmm... whats the connection
[16:13] <knome> i've written that article
[16:13] <abhifx> knome : all the multimedia keys i.e.
[16:13] <knome> it's my open source blog :)
[16:14] <knome> do you mean the commands that should be linked with the keys?
[16:15] <abhifx> knome : i mean my multimedia keys and their respective commands like for next, pause etc. btw nice blog
[16:15] <knome> abhifx, that depends on your music player.
[16:16] <knome> abhifx, which one you are using? (and thanks for the compliment)
[16:17] <abhifx> knome, i use all of them, mostly banshee and songbird. i have the plugins installed
[16:18] <knome> i don't know those apps, sorry. but i suppose at least banshee supports global shortcuts
[16:19] <knome> abhifx, if you have a windows key on your kb, you can try WIN+B for next track
[16:20] <abhifx> knome, but i have dedicated multimedia keys for that, i just want to know the command.
[16:21] <abhifx> knome, like for volume up command was amixer sset Master 5%+
[16:23] <knome> abhifx, oh well, i'll install banshee. just a moment
[16:24] <abhifx> knome, ahem...
[16:25] <knome> abhifx, banshee --play
[16:25] <knome> abhifx, banshee --previous, banshee --next, banshee --stop
[16:26] <knome> abhifx, + see banshee --help-playback on terminal
[16:26] <abhifx> knome, hmm... so it has to be per application
[16:26] <knome> yes.
[16:27] <abhifx> knome, thanks for your efforts.i really appreciate it
[16:28] <knome> absolutely no problem.
[16:29] <abhifx> knome, just 1 more question, are you somekind of developer of xubuntu?
[16:30] <knome> abhifx, i'm the marketing lead
[16:30] <knome> abhifx, working on artwork, websites, community and well.. marketing
[16:31] <abhifx> knome, wow! can i add a suggestion
[16:31] <knome> abhifx, sure
[16:32] <abhifx> knome, i would love to see xubuntu looking less like gnomish. it looks more like mini gnome
[16:33] <knome> abhifx, what could that difference be?
[16:33] <knome> i think gnome is going bit away from the traditional DE look, where xfce on the other hand wants to stay in
[16:34] <abhifx> knome, well the arrangement of the panels, menu etc
[16:34] <abhifx> knome, actually when i installed xfce, i was hoping for some new experiance, but it felt like gnome
[16:35] <knome> abhifx, well, it is a bit like gnome, i agree.
[16:37] <abhifx> knome, anyway it was just a suggestion since you are also in the artwork department
[16:37] <knome> yeah. i think this is more a suggestion/idea for the xfce team
[16:37] <knome> we are thinking of a dark theme, but that is just a theme
[16:41] <abhifx> knome, dark theme would be great, ooh and a dark special effect kinda wallpaper
[16:42] <abhifx> knome, here is what i did, i made gnome look like...well...gnome like, kde looks like windows and i added cairo-dock at the bottom so it looks like a mac
[16:44] <knome> abhifx, we have a good looking wallpaper ready ;)
[16:46] <abhifx> knome, gud to hear. since i am a graphic artist i like to see a cool wallpaper. hope ur wallpaper meets the expectation
[16:47] <knome> abhifx, see privmsg
[16:50] <abhifx> knome, yeah i actually responded to ur prevois msg
[16:50] <knome> abhifx, hmm, can't see the reply.
[16:51] <abhifx> knome, wait i hv a crappy net, let me load the page
[16:59] <abhifx> sorry for a long wait. the wallpaper is much better than current, albeit less flashy for my taste
[17:03] <abhifx> knome, i just had a great idea for the wallpaper too, i will try in blender today. will tell you directly
[17:12] <knome> okay
[17:12] <knome> no problem
[18:42] <RadSurfer2> Hello. We are trying to install some HamRadio packages and need to know what Repositiories we need please.
[18:42] <RadSurfer2> I was going to edit 'sources.list' from UbuntuStudio which works, but didn't want to corrupt xubuntu...
[18:49] <KittyKatt> [AmsG] brb
[19:13] <KittyKatt>  brb: Restarting
[20:27] <nikihr> Hey i cant bind alt-a to switch to workspace 1? :O
[20:27] <nikihr> but alt-s can i bind for workspace 2 etc etc
[20:56] <lsemple_> can u use emerald without compiz?
[20:57] <Sysi> yes
[20:57] <lsemple_> cool
[20:58] <Sysi> but i didn't get compiz without emerald :/
[20:58] <lsemple_> yeah Im not sure this computer is fast enough for compiz