[00:13] <pjotter> Hello all :) A question about Thunar, if I may...
[00:14] <pjotter> When in Thunar, you can navigate to a certain file by just typing the beginning of the name. The first file that matches will be highlighted. How can I move on to the next file that starts with the same sequence?
[00:22] <bluesabre> pjotter: up/down seem to do the trick
[00:22] <pjotter> bluesabre: Is that page-up and down? I'm using Thunar 1.6.3 atm
[00:23] <bluesabre> up/down arrows
[00:23] <pjotter> Hey, It works:) thanks!! Have been looking for the answer for a while
[00:23] <bluesabre> np, glad to help
[04:46] <abuasma> i've downloaded xampp installer. but i cant install it
[04:47] <ObrienDave> what's the file extension?
[04:48] <abuasma> there is a box says, "there has been an error. this installer requires root privilages. please become superuser before executng the installer."
[04:48] <abuasma> .run
[04:48] <abuasma> i've also changed the permission
[04:48] <ObrienDave> are you sure you want to install this?
[04:49] <abuasma> actually i need this app (xampp)
[04:49] <ObrienDave> ok, in terminal, sudo sh <file_name>.run
[04:49] <abuasma> is there a problem obriendave?
[04:49] <cfhowlett> abuasma, permissions problem = use sudo
[04:51] <abuasma> sudo sh xampp-linux-1.8.2-6-installer.run
[04:51] <abuasma> [sudo] password for abuasma:
[04:51] <abuasma> xampp-linux-1.8.2-6-installer.run: 1: xampp-linux-1.8.2-6-installer.run: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[04:52] <abuasma> is there a promblem
[04:53] <taropalo> Hello. Does anyone have idea what is wrong because my login window is stretched and when I login and go settings manager I change resolution to something else and back then everything is fine
[04:53] <ObrienDave> abuasma, sounds like a bad download
[04:56] <abuasma> hmm so i need to get another one?
[04:57] <ObrienDave> did you check the md5 sum?
[04:58] <ObrienDave> well, i don't see any md5 sums there LOL
[05:00] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, every ubuntu package has an md5sum = possibly at the main package site.
[05:01] <ObrienDave> this is from sourceforge
[05:01] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, even so ...
[05:01] <ObrienDave> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xampp/files/XAMPP%20Linux/1.8.2/
[05:05] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, nah.  If a package doesn't include a hashsum for integrity checking, I don't mess with it.
[05:09] <ObrienDave> don't blame ya. but thought it might save them another D/L
[05:21] <Vampi> приветики :)
[05:21] <cfhowlett> !ru | Vampi,
[05:22] <Vampi> cfhowlett: ацтань :)
[05:23] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, speaks russian also? ;P
[05:23] <cfhowlett> Vampi, ... you're welcome.
[05:23] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, black russian
[05:24]  * cfhowlett sips his tasty beverage
[05:24] <ObrienDave> white russian lol
[05:26]  * Vampi is listening [Lindsey Stirling - Crystallize] [Crystallize] [0:07/4:20] [1706kbps]
[05:26] <Unit193> Vampi: Please don't use scripts like that in here, thank you.
[05:27] <cfhowlett> Unit193, looks like a "what I'm listening to" notification?
[05:28] <Vampi> Unit193: хорошо, больше не буду :)
[05:45] <vrkalak> hey, Unit193 ... o/
[05:47] <Unit193> Howdy.
[05:48] <vrkalak> Unit193, as I said, i don't were a maintainer for "inxi"
[05:48] <Unit193> Heh, that I am. :)
[05:51] <vrkalak> Unit193, I use Sid  ... last week I had a hard getting inxi to install ... got it - finally
[05:55] <RobertJDohnert> Im with Linus Torvalds on this, I have never been able to get Debian to install
[05:56] <RobertJDohnert> It will install but fails to install the bootloader
[06:20] <pikpik> Hi all, here some french speaking people ?
[06:21] <baizon> !fr
[06:21] <pikpik> Thanks baizon !
[06:21] <pikpik> See you
[06:23] <baizon> ciao
[06:38] <ObrienDave> ummm, isn't ciao italian? ;P
[06:49] <Gatis> Hi
[06:49] <Gatis> Just installed ubunut :)
[08:32] <wlxmhls> mint-xfce vs xubuntu, which is faster on low spec laptop?
[08:32] <ObrienDave> !crosspost
[08:34] <wlxmhls> ... ignore this question pls
[08:51] <xubuntu621> Hey, is it possible to install xubuntu 14.4.1 with software raid? 14.4.1 doesnt seem to have an alternate version
[09:01] <cfhowlett> !raid | xubuntu621
[10:03] <DJJeff> the indicator plugin does not use the same theme as the rest of the system ?
[10:03] <DJJeff> in xfce panel
[10:04] <DJJeff> if I choose solid color in the panel settings that works
[10:04] <DJJeff> if I goto none use system style its diff
[10:05] <ObrienDave> did you change notifications?
[10:05] <DJJeff> I do not think so
[10:05] <ObrienDave> what is different for you?
[10:06] <DJJeff> like in panel settings it has items I have whisker menu window buttons
[10:07] <DJJeff> notification area (external) works with theme
[10:07] <DJJeff> indicator plugin (external) is just white
[10:07] <ObrienDave> hmm, i don't have whisker menu
[10:08] <ObrienDave> try changing icons, or notification settings. might be a sticky toggle somewhere
[10:09] <DJJeff> I do not even understand why they have both notification area and indicator plugin
[10:09] <ObrienDave> two different things
[10:10] <DJJeff> like xchat shows up in notification and sound network bluetooth show up in indicator
[10:11] <ObrienDave> yup, don't know what to tell ya
[10:11] <DJJeff> this is what happens when you have too much freedom
[10:11] <DJJeff> no universal standard
[10:12] <ObrienDave> right
[10:12] <brainwash> uhm, the indicator area is used to display indicators from unity
[10:12] <DJJeff> like in windows its just a system tray
[10:12] <DJJeff> and call it a day
[10:12] <ObrienDave> this is not windoze
[10:13] <DJJeff> open source is nice when things just work... would be nice to also look good too
[10:13] <brainwash> you can just remove the indicator area if you don't need it
[10:14] <brainwash> it's optional after all
[10:14] <DJJeff> true
[10:16] <DJJeff> whisker menu is a nice touch
[10:17] <xubuntu614> hello there, I'm trying to run GShutDown as a startup app on a regular user, but I need to prevent that user to stop the app or to modify de parameters, how can I do that ? I'm using Xunbuntu 14.04.1 with Ofris to lock the user. Thank you
[12:24] <user____> morning, since the latest xorg edgers updates last night (i feel thats what it must have been) my xubuntu session just keeps restarting most randomly. is there any way i can investigate this? dmesg doesnt show anything
[12:29] <user____>  this is incredibly annoying.. could anyone point me to a log file? my xubuntu session keeps crashing, sending me back to the lightdm greeter thingy
[12:30] <brainwash> user____: /var/log
[12:31] <user____> brainwash: which file? lightdm just says open close session etc
[12:31] <brainwash> mainly Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old
[12:34] <user____> brainwash: thanks, i feel its related to some xorg-edgers updates last night (nvidia free software driver). .0.log is boring, .0.log.old shows a segfault server aborting "server terminated with error"
[12:35] <brainwash> there you go, a segfault will most likely result in a crash -> restart of lightdm
[12:35] <user____> brainwash: yes, perfect, thanks. is there a simple way of rolling back to last xedgers versions so i can get my desktop back on the road and submit bug reports etc?
[12:36] <user____> the segfault mentions some drivers/intel_drv.so line, which is interesting. ive got two external monitors on one laptop, i guess the one connected to the vga out must be fed from the onboard intel graphics chip. this works out of box in linux or used to anyway. disconnecting this monitor has sadly not helped the situation
[12:36] <brainwash> well, you can find a limited amount of previously downloaded packages in /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:38] <brainwash> I suggest that you report the segfault on the upstream bug tracker https://bugs.freedesktop.org/
[12:38] <brainwash> also, please join #intel-gfx
[12:40] <user____> brainwash: thanks!!
[14:38] <RedDeath> hello xubuntu
[14:38] <RedDeath> best distro ever i use
[15:23] <james0r> i have to agree.
[16:24] <xubuntu231> the thunar on xubu 14.04 has "suddenly" stopped showing "previews" for files
[16:24] <xubuntu231> so, there are no previews for jpg, png, pdf, mov, avi, wmv, mp4, etc files
[16:24] <xubuntu231> this used to work earlier (till about a month ago)
[16:24] <xubuntu231> any hints on how i can fix this?
[16:26] <holstein> not likely easy, since there is a month to work with there.. i would just do some basic troubleshooting.. apply updates.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".. try as the guest user or another user, and reset my users /.config files if things are only "broken" in my users account
[16:26] <xubuntu231> sorry! forgot to mention that all updates have been applied.
[16:27] <xubuntu231> also, I removed ~/.config/Thunar
[16:27] <holstein> the config issue would look like "mv ~/.config/Thunar ~/.config/Thunar.bak" if you go that route.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1561446
[16:27] <xubuntu231> oops! I deleted that dir! :( could that be a problem?
[16:27] <holstein> xubuntu231: then, *after* you see that the issue is happening as other users, and you determine its an issue with thunar and not your user, you can look at thunar "fixes".. or look at sources you could have added.. ppa's, etc
[16:28] <xubuntu231> great set of suggestions @holstein
[16:28] <xubuntu231> i have done most of those.
[16:29] <xubuntu231> let me ask you one more thing:
[16:29] <xubuntu231> in the directory /usr/share/thumbnailers ... how many files do you have?
[16:30] <holstein> xubuntu231: im not infront of stock xubuntu right now, but i have not changed those, or added any sources that would have
[16:30] <xubuntu231> and just to be clear (and in my defense) I did NOT delete any files from that folder, but, yesterday when I was looking through it I found that it had only one file for evince
[16:30] <xubuntu231> neither have I! I promise
[16:31] <xubuntu231> but, I can also assure you that I was seeing thumbnails for all media files till about 2 to 3 updates back
[16:31] <xubuntu231> weird that no one has logged a bug against this
[16:31] <xubuntu231> @holstein, will u be around for some more time. let me quickly try out the "guest" user thingie here
[16:32] <holstein> xubuntu231: sure
[16:32] <xubuntu231> and also check for any new ppa-s I might have added
[16:32] <xubuntu231> where would you want me to check on the ppa-s?
[16:32] <holstein> i use the sources GUI.. but, you can view the soures as you please
[16:33] <xubuntu231> got it! give me at most 10 minutes and I will be right back. hopefully I shouldn't have to log out of this session ....
[16:45] <xubuntu231> @holstein, still there?
[16:46] <holstein> xubuntu231: yes
[16:46] <xubuntu231> alright! checked my ppa-s. nothing abnormal: only extra ppa is for google-chrome
[16:47] <xubuntu231> logged in as another user and tried looking at media files. no previews for icons! :(
[16:47] <xubuntu231> i am fairly certain that this is a file-manager (Thunar) rendering problem.
[16:49] <holstein> sure.. sounds like it to me.. i would try reinstalling the thumbnailer
[16:49] <xubuntu231> ok!
[16:49] <xubuntu231> but wait ... the thumbnailer is part of evince package
[16:52] <xubuntu231> ok! just confirmed that the evince-thumbnailer command works. created a thumbnail for a pdf file I had locally on my system and viewed it in gthumb.
[16:52] <xubuntu231> so, evince-thumbnailer cannot be a problem
[16:54] <holstein> xubuntu231: i would follow this in the GUI http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2004296
[20:10] <boldfilter1> Having trouble when I log in, sometimes the wallpapers different and themes will not apply
[20:11] <holstein> boldfilter1: any ideas on "sometimes" ? and what may be causing that? is that for all users? do you have ppa's added? are you up to date with upgrades?
[20:11] <holstein> was this working and broke, or never worked?
[20:11] <boldfilter1> There's only one user
[20:12] <boldfilter1> The only solution is to restart and hope it works
[20:13] <boldfilter1> Um, I do have ppa's added probably
[20:13] <holstein> boldfilter1: you mean, thats the way you have addressed the issue.. its not a "solution" if its not solved.. how about the other questions?
[20:13] <boldfilter1> I tried clearing sessions
[20:13] <holstein> boldfilter1: you can check your sources for ppa's.. ppa's can break what you are referring to
[20:13] <holstein> boldfilter1: trying as another user is an easy way to see if the issue is sytem-wide, or in your users config
[20:15] <boldfilter1> Okay, trying it now brb
[20:36] <xubuntu164> hallo!!!
[22:47] <lxmahyar> I create autokey icon for panel which match with other xubuntu icons
[22:47] <lxmahyar> https://www.dropbox.com/s/d1a2ubbz6mqxjfv/autokey-status.svg?dl=0
[22:47] <lxmahyar> replace with /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/autokey-status.svg
[23:04] <bluesabre> writing_novel: a one-liner to get stock xfce4-panel in xubuntu
[23:04] <bluesabre> xfce4-panel --quit; killall xfconfd; cp /etc/xdg/xfce4/panel/default.xml ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml && sleep 2 && (xfconfd &) && (xfce4-panel &)
[23:05] <bluesabre> or any xfce-based distro
[23:10] <bluesabre> restoring xubuntu-config: xfce4-panel --quit; killall xfconfd;rm ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml && sleep 2 && (xfconfd &) && (xfce4-panel &)
[23:11] <writing_novel> I will have to reinstall it and try that!
[23:12] <writing_novel> let me cut and paste it before it scrolls off!
[23:14] <writing_novel> I do not understand why people in the Open Source world do this kinda stuff. XFCE has a particular look to it, and people change the look but not the name
[23:14] <writing_novel> crazy stuff
[23:16] <bluesabre> It's all about the users... we believe that our configuration works better than stock xfce.  Other distributions agree.  Debian and Fedora ship stock everything, so they will have the standard look.  We've been doing this for years, and we've had a lot of praise for the work that we do.
[23:17] <writing_novel> I am not saying what you did is substandard or not interesting to users, I am saying that holding out Xubuntu as "Ubuntu + XFCE" is not truthful since it looks nothing like it! If the interface is so great (I disagree, but hey, people must think so), then why not call it ABC or XYZ or PDQ, XFCE means something different - of course people will be confused and react like WTF? Its not XFCE is it?
[23:17] <bluesabre> (other distros agree that stock is not necessarily best, that is)
[23:18] <writing_novel> it doesn't look like XFCE so saying it is kinda misleads people
[23:19] <bluesabre> It's not about appearance, its about the applications that power the experience. Xfce is modular and lightweight, and can be shaped into anything.
[23:19] <writing_novel> I think you are missing the point, I am not arguing the goodness of your non-XFCE style interface, I am saying, fine, if 1/2 world likes it, wonderful, just articulate that its "a highly modified XFCE" or that kind thing.
[23:20] <writing_novel> XFCE IS EVERYTHING about the appearance! It is what was formed when GNOME2 CHANGED its appearance in GNOME3!
[23:20] <writing_novel> That is what XFCE is all about and why it was created
[23:20] <bluesabre> Nope
[23:20] <writing_novel> you need to look at their website
[23:20] <bluesabre> Xfce is waaaay old
[23:20] <bluesabre> and you are thinking of MATE
[23:20] <writing_novel> no
[23:20] <writing_novel> XFCE says that on their website
[23:21] <bluesabre> show me
[23:22] <writing_novel> The point is not what they say, its what you say, if you have changed XFCE into something better, and lets presume it is better, why purposely confuse people by saying, "Oh this is XFCE, it just looks nothing like it." It is as if I wear a green shirt and say, oh no, this shirt is not green! Why it used to be yellow and I added blue but its not green!
[23:23] <writing_novel> XFCE means something
[23:23] <writing_novel> if you called it ABCD that would mean your better interface
[23:23] <bluesabre> http://xfce.org/about
[23:24] <bluesabre> also, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument
[23:24] <bluesabre> "While Xubuntu uses Xfce, it is not specifically targeted to Xfce enthusiasts or projects and software being hosted by the Xfce project or associating (officially or unofficially) with Xfce are not guaranteed for inclusion in Xubuntu. "
[23:25] <brainwash> it's Xfce, not XFCE :)
[23:25] <bluesabre> and we do not claim to be "Ubuntu + XFCE", we are Xubuntu
[23:25] <writing_novel> Whatever, the point is you do not look like Xfce is
[23:26] <brainwash> does Xfce look like Xfce? take a look at http://xfce.org/
[23:26] <writing_novel> you sure do, do you not look at your own website? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFlavors
[23:26] <pleia2> writing_novel: that site says nothing about it being pure Xfce, please stop
[23:26] <bluesabre> from your link, "Xubuntu provides a light, stable and configurable desktop environment with conservative workflows. Xubuntu uses Xfce as the desktop environment."
[23:27] <writing_novel> You know, all I asked was how to get Ubuntu to have a regular XFCE interface, I never was interested in debating which is better
[23:27] <writing_novel> I just want what I want
[23:27] <writing_novel> and asked why it was different and how to reverse it
[23:27] <writing_novel> you folks are all arguing about its merits
[23:27] <bluesabre> and now you have a handy command to make it thus
[23:27] <bluesabre> :)
[23:27] <writing_novel> I just want what Xfce looks like normally.
[23:27] <pleia2> rearranging panels is not difficult, what are you having trouble with?
[23:27] <writing_novel> And I did thank you for it
[23:27] <Unit193> writing_novel: And we told you, then you went into this big argument.  This isn't the channel for it either.  Please. Stop.
[23:28] <writing_novel> I didn't start this read the freaking back log
[23:28] <writing_novel> All I said is if you make something different you ought call it something different, that is all I meant, otherwise people naturally get confused.
[23:29] <writing_novel> I did not ever mean to argue what I think is better, my opinion matters not - and that is fine by me if the entire world disagrees, I just was looking for (and finally got) a way (after I test it) to get the normal Xfce interface
[23:29] <writing_novel> thats all I was ever asking for
[23:30] <writing_novel> Bluesabre finally answered it (granted, I have yet to re-install the Xubuntu to try it, but I will later tonight)
[23:30] <bluesabre> ok, hope it works for you (it definitely should)
[23:31] <writing_novel> I hope it does too!
[23:32] <writing_novel> I like Ubuntu what I detest is GNOME3 and wanted a much more GNOME2 like interface. Problem is that a stock Ubuntu install has a lot of other rubbish with it for unity and I need to do a new fresh install anyway so I figured it'd be a good time to figure out how to not have a retro fitted desktop and get it right from the start this time.
[23:33] <xangua> writing_novel: next release there will be a new mate flavor
[23:36] <writing_novel> Mate also is more of a windowized look too, isn't it? I haven't checked it in a while honestly.
[23:36] <writing_novel> I like the kinda cascading as you go easy interface that GNOME2 gave and its derivatives like Xfce.
[23:36] <xangua> Mate is a gnome 2 fork
[23:37] <writing_novel> Ah ok, I didn't realize that as the mast few MATEs I looked at were not like GNOME2 really
[23:37] <writing_novel> (at least the last few on Linux Mint)
[23:37] <xangua> Xfce is not a gnome derivate either
[23:37] <writing_novel> but maybe they did to Mate what you did to Xfce
[23:38] <writing_novel> I know but it has that kind of interface with cascading gnome2 style menues
[23:38] <writing_novel> (they begin Linux Mint I mean)
[23:38] <writing_novel> begin=being
[23:52] <nomic> how to change (make thinner) window title in xfce