[00:00] <platzhirsch> I'll go for 15.04 then, because it's newer
[00:01] <EriC^^> you'll have to upgrade in 7months
[00:01] <[Saint]> In that's your metric, install 15.10 :)
[00:01] <regedit> how can i install a later version of NVIDIA drivers?
[00:01] <[Saint]> EriC^^: he won't /have/ to.
[00:01] <[Saint]> *If that
[00:02] <regedit> the UI shows me 346.59, i'd like 349.12
[00:02] <EriC^^> [Saint]: are you here to argue or help dude?
[00:02] <platzhirsch> Probably there won't be an upgrade but a reinstall if it goes as well as this time
[00:02] <[Saint]> EriC^^: neither, but, if you saw misinformation, wouldn't you stomp on it too?
[00:03] <[Saint]> Is what I said untrue?
[00:03] <OerHeks> platzhirsch, check your VPN vendor, what images are available. usually they stick to LTS
[00:03] <platzhirsch> They offered me 15.04
[00:03] <platzhirsch> guess I'll take the LTS, seems more reasonbale for a server
[00:04] <EriC^^> [Saint]: if he doesn't upgrade he'll be running a server with an eol release
[00:04] <[Saint]> EriC^^: yes, that's true - but it doesn't mean he has to upgrade now does it?
[00:04] <[Saint]> want to? sure. have to? no.
[00:05] <EriC^^> [Saint]: lol
[00:05] <EriC^^> you're being impractical and illogical
[00:05] <EriC^^> and failing at being pedantic
[00:05] <EriC^^> just shut up.
[00:05] <platzhirsch> Calm down
[00:06] <[Saint]> I'm doing nothing but stating a fact hun.
[00:06] <platzhirsch> It's not that important
[00:06] <EriC^^> [Saint]: if you jump out of an airplane there's a<PHONE_NUMBER> chance you will survive
[00:06] <EriC^^> - Fact
[00:07] <platzhirsch> world of wonder
[00:07] <EriC^^> it *could* happen, maybe you have the skull of a superhuman ?
[00:07] <EriC^^> could it not?
[00:07] <bazhang> lets take this elsewhere Please
[00:07]  * [Saint] thinks about how deliciously ironic it is that EriC^^ now seems to be intentionally derailing the conversation and deliberately argumentative.
[00:07] <[Saint]> Well done.
[00:08] <bazhang> back on topic Please
[00:08] <platzhirsch> my machine is up and running with 14.04. Thanks for all the support
[00:08] <platzhirsch> *scares away from bazhang*
[00:08] <bazhang> not the channels for arguments, thats elsewhere
[00:12] <keith_> hello?
[00:12] <keith_> Im new to linux and need some help please
[00:13] <bazhang> !manual | keith_ have a read
[00:13] <Bashing-om> !ask | keith_ All ya got to do is ask :
[00:14] <keith_> Ok thanks. I have a Geforce GTX 970 GPU and have no idea on how to install all the drivers for it
[00:14] <Bashing-om> keith_: Depends, what release are we talking about ?
[00:15] <keith_> its the asus strix
[00:15] <[Saint]> I'm guessing you're not wanting the open drivers?
[00:15] <Bashing-om> keith_: And 14.04 ubuntu running on it ?
[00:16] <keith_> I dont even know lol. I'm just coming from windows so its a little confusing but i want to learn as much as i can
[00:16] <[Saint]> the easy route is System Settings - Software & Updates - Additional Drivers
[00:16] <keith_> I tried that but nothing shows up
[00:16] <keith_> i can try it again
[00:17] <OerHeks> The 343 driver supports that NV970 >> http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/77844/en-us
[00:17] <Bashing-om> keith_: No problem, we were all new at one time, we get ya up to speed. So we want to know the 'buntu release. post back the output of terminal command 'cat /etc/issue ' . and we see what path we take to install a driver .
[00:18] <cyclonis> im getting unable to install chntpw on ubuntu 14.04
[00:18] <cyclonis> anyone seen this issue before
[00:18] <cyclonis> ?
[00:18] <keith_> elementary OS Freya
[00:18] <bazhang> #elementary keith_
[00:18] <OerHeks> !info chntpw
[00:18] <bazhang> its not supported here keith_
[00:19] <OerHeks> make sure you have universe repo enabled
[00:19] <Bashing-om> keith_: Hate to be the bearr of sad news, but EOS is not ubuntu. Seek support in their channel .
[00:19] <keith_> how do i go about that lol?
[00:19] <keith_> in software center?
[00:19] <EriC^^> keith_: type /join #elementary
[00:19] <Bashing-om> !elementary | keith_
[00:20] <keith_> k thanks guys
[00:20] <Bashing-om> KeithIMyers__: :) install ubuntu, and welcome back .
[00:21] <bazhang> he is gone
[00:21] <Bashing-om> ooopppsss .
[00:22] <convict_> #anonnet
[00:27] <cyclonis> when resetting the windows password do i need to download the desktop version or LTS
[00:27] <cyclonis> ?
[00:28] <f343nce> cyclonis: This a chroot to change the user password?
[00:28] <Bashing-om> cyclonis: Unclear; Do you mean to reset your username password ?
[00:30] <irong33k> hows everyone holding up their summer
[00:31] <f343nce> caffiene here
[00:31] <Nozdormu> Hola
[00:32] <irong33k> como esta ? :)
[00:34] <vlaght> sleep :3
[00:41] <gt8ost4l> anyone know how to save sessions in libre writer
[00:43] <f343nce> gt8ost4l: number of ways, can we have some context?
[00:44] <gt8ost4l> what do you mean by context
[00:44] <gt8ost4l> i just want libre write when i open it to go where i left off
[00:45] <f343nce> gt8ost4l: Than click the last document used
[00:46] <gt8ost4l> i did do that and still the same problem it just goes to the top
[00:47] <SudoMatt> trying to remove unused shortcuts in the sidebar and need to edit a config file.  where can I find ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs?
[00:47] <f343nce> gt8ost4l: what you want than is the cursor where you left it it seems, I think there is a libre channel here as well if needed, not sure myself.
[00:48] <gt8ost4l> is that channel active?
[00:50] <psusi> SudoMatt, asking "where do I find a file that is at this location" is a non question
[00:50] <Bashing-om> SudoMatt: "~/.config/user-dirs.dirs" where " user-dirs ' is the application name of reference .
[00:50] <f343nce> gt8ost4l: Lot of people in #libreoffice just a suggested option.
[00:51] <SudoMatt> Apologies.  for reference, please see askubuntu entry.  https://askubuntu.com/questions/79150/how-to-remove-bookmarks-from-the-nautilus-sidebar
[00:53] <f343nce> SudoMatt: If you want a gui pad run gksudo gedit /your destination
[00:56] <Bashing-om> SudoMatt: What is your end goal that requires to edit a .config file ?? And specific advise may be given .
[01:01] <Alives> whats the proper way to dhclient an ethernet nic in trusty and up now?
[01:02] <Alives> eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[01:03] <jin7>  I create  a desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications. But it doesn't work.    Linux mint 17.1 cinnamon 32-bit.
[01:03] <jin7> only when I move ~/.local/share/applications/myfile.desktop to /usr/share/applications,can it  work.
[01:03] <somsip> !mint | jin7
[01:04] <jin7> OK
[01:04] <_cake> hello!
[01:05] <_cake> I just lost all my data! Do I install ubuntu or arch
[01:05] <Koyaanis> _cake I guess ubuntu.
[01:05] <Koyaanis> Since you alrealy are in the right channel :P
[01:05] <bazhang> its an ubuntu support channel _cake
[01:06] <_cake> I joined both #ubuntu and #archlinux
[01:06] <cyclonis> unable to log into windows after clearing the passwd using ubuntu
[01:06] <cyclonis> live cd
[01:06] <cyclonis> ughhh
[01:06] <bazhang> _cake install one, dont poll
[01:06] <cyclonis> user logon service failed
[01:06] <Koyaanis> Ah, well I like ubuntu, I don't even know arch :p
[01:06] <_cake> thanks bazhang
[01:06] <_cake> 10/10
[01:07] <[Saint]> SudoMatt: did you get it sorted out? There were a few non-answers, and one incorrect one. ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs is the exact path of the file you want, but you probably have your directory view set to not show hidden files and folders, which is the default. You can simply do "gedit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs" to edit this file.
[01:08] <[Saint]> Or nano, or vi{m}, or whatever editor floats your boat.
[01:09] <[Saint]> SudoMatt: alternatively, you can select the "View" header and then select "Show hidden files"
[01:13] <[Saint]> Hmmmm.
[01:13] <[Saint]> What the? >.>
[01:13] <[Saint]> ~/.ecryptfs/auto-mount isn't present, yet, ~ is still getting automatically decrypted on local login.
[01:14] <[Saint]> bah.
[01:38] <xerox_> !list
[01:41] <SudoMatt> Saint: Sorry for the long delay, went down a rabbit hole learning more about Ubuntu.  I learned that "~/" is a shorthand for the current user's home folder.  Then, I had to learn how to find hidden files.  Once I did that, it was a piece of cake.  Thanks for following up
[01:43] <chegney> anyone used the minecraft server on azure marktplace?
[01:44] <SchrodingersScat> what is azure?
[01:44] <chegney> i cant find how it is being started on boot
[01:44] <OerHeks> Azure is windows cloud.
[01:44] <chegney> microsoft azure
[01:44] <Bashing-om> SudoMatt: :) You do good work .
[01:44] <chegney> its a server runig ubuntu
[01:45] <chegney> cant find where minecraft server is being started
[01:45] <chegney> its not a service
[01:46] <chegney> any ideas where I cood loo>
[01:46] <chegney> look
[01:46] <OerHeks> chegney, what tutorial did you follow for that minecraftserver?
[01:47] <chegney> didn't follow a tutorial, there is already a sere on the marketplace
[01:48] <backbox> hi
[01:48] <OerHeks> I have a slight idea that this is not running on ubuntu, as we do not have marketplace.
[01:49] <chegney> i know, it's teh windows azure marketplace
[01:49] <chegney> but it i an ubuntu vm
[01:49] <chegney> lts 14.04
[01:54] <OerHeks> chegney, i think you need to contact the author of that image, their site says: connect to it using the DNS name (e.g. name.cloudapp.net) of the virtual machine on port 25565. http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/partners/microsoft/minecraftserver/
[01:55] <SudoMatt> Should I install flash on my machine?  I see they stopped supporting Linux and I hear it's buggy/full of security holes.  Can I do without it?
[01:56] <OerHeks> SudoMatt, install restricted extras, it gives adobe-flashplugin installer and codecs and such
[01:56] <OerHeks> i use chrome with build-in pepperflash
[01:57] <xangua> SudoMatt: should or you should not, only you can answer that. Flash for linux will continue to get security updates up until 2017 or you can just (sight) install Google Chrome
[01:57] <SudoMatt> Oh Chrome...how I love/hate thee
[01:59] <B0g4r7> I had one machine where running Flash tended to hang the entire OS.  Then I've had others that were just fine running it.
[02:00] <OerHeks> B0g4r7, results may vary, depending on the GPU/driver
[02:01] <Guest88183> if a laptop is encypted(fully) will it slow down access to those files?
[02:01] <OerHeks> Guest88183, yes. Not sure how to measure the difference, but surely it takes more time
[02:01] <Guest88183> also would logging in and startup time increase aswell?
[02:02] <OerHeks> Guest88183, yes.
[02:02] <Guest88183> ok thanks
[02:03] <B0g4r7> Guest88183, slow down would depend on a number of factors.  If the CPU were fast and mostly idle while the disk was slow, there may be no noticeable difference.  You get the idea.
[02:03] <OerHeks> If it was faster than unencrypted, i would be surprised.
[02:03] <Guest88183> but for a laptop, probably would be difference in the average laptop
[02:03] <B0g4r7> On a laptop you would almost surely have a reduction in battery cycle time.
[02:03] <Guest88183> also would algorithm change tht time needed for boot?
[02:04] <Guest88183> ie stronger encryption will need more time?
[02:04] <B0g4r7> It could.
[02:05] <B0g4r7> Some CPUs have special instructions to accelerate AES operations (Intel AES-NI.)
[02:05] <izinucs> driver management says I'm using Broadcom BCM4313 wireless adaptor and the bcmwl-kernel-source .. the other option is "Processor microcode firmware for IntelCPUs from intel-microcode" . What's my better functioning option?
[02:07] <Guest88183> and when i am encrypting in linux luks would be used right?
[02:07] <OerHeks> izinucs, microcode firmware does not affect working BCM43xx  AFAIK
[02:08] <chegney> yeah that's the site for the server on the marketplace and gives zero information on the configuration
[02:08] <B0g4r7> Guest88183, you would likely use dm-crypt, with or without LUKS.  LUKS will probably make things easier.
[02:08] <chegney> is there a good site that talkes about systemd configuration that would hellp
[02:08] <chegney> me understand where it is being started
[02:08] <Guest88183> thanks, will look into that
[02:08] <izinucs> OerHeks: then I'm confused .. the system is presenting an either or option for the wireless adaptor.
[02:08] <chegney> does't look like it was started by systemctl
[02:09] <OerHeks> chegney, we didn'tprovide that minecraft image, nor can we test it ( without azure) and 14.04 does not come with SystemD
[02:10] <OerHeks> izinucs, BCM43xx driver is appart from microcode.
[02:11] <izinucs> so is microcode for intel video or something else?
[02:12] <OerHeks> izinucs, no, for your CPU
[02:12] <chegney> really? because systemctl is available and that is how sshd is controled
[02:12] <OerHeks> Theer is an AMD version too, if you happen to have an AMD cpu
[02:13] <OerHeks> chegney, that confuses me, and we have no answer to azure images, it is beyond our control and support
[02:13] <doublethinker> hello. i'm having trouble updating with software updater
[02:14] <chegney> not asking you to support, just advice on where things start at boot
[02:14] <izinucs> OerHeks: ok.. I enabled it.
[02:15] <promet> Hi, I need to downgrade a package (ant). I purged the current version, and am trying to use "apt-get install ant=<version_#>, but I can't seem to find the right string for the earlier package. Is there a way to determine this? I've checked repo lists and ant page, for release number but they're pretty convoluted and not resolving.
[02:16] <promet> I had 1.9.4, but it's causing problems and would like to go back to, maybe 1.9.0?
[02:18] <promet> also, while I'm asking, I'd like to "lock" this version so apt-get update, etc. doesn't change it
[02:20] <Bashing-om> promet: 14.04 ' apt-cache show ant ' >> Version: 1.9.3-2build . Will that work for ya ?
[02:20] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ant/+packages
[02:21] <doublethinker> Bashing-om, I'm having the same issue I asked about before
[02:23] <Bashing-om> doublethinker: Let's look: ' sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade ' into the pastebin .
[02:23] <promet> Bashing-om, thank you, let me give that a go
[02:23] <promet> OerHeks, thanks
[02:24] <Bashing-om> !pin | promet
[02:27] <promet> Bashing-om, OerHeks, using "sudo apt-get install ant=1.9.3-2build" I get "E: Version '1.9.3-2build' for 'ant' was not found" is my syntax wrong?
[02:27] <promet> I am on 15.04, btw...
[02:28] <Bashing-om> promet: ' apt-get install ant ' should install version  1.9.3-2build if you are on release 14.04 .
[02:28] <promet> Bashing-om, !pin got you, thanks!
[02:28] <Bashing-om> sudo apt-get install **
[02:28] <promet> Bashing-om, 15.04 actually, am I borked?
[02:28] <OerHeks> promet, you will need to download the package manually, and install it with dpkg -i <package>.deb
[02:29] <promet> OerHeks, roger that, Bashing-om and then !pin it, yes?
[02:30] <doublethinker> Bashing-om, i've run that and then run the software updater again and it still lists the updates
[02:31] <Bashing-om> promet: That will work . I do not see that "ant" is available in 15.04 however . I would not think in that event that pinning to be an issue .
[02:33] <Bashing-om> doublethinker: yeah, but I want to see those outputs to know where the error is ' sudo apt-get update | pastebinit ; sudo apt-get upgrade | pastbinit ' . Then we may have an idea of waht to do .
[02:56] <ordnas> hellu
[03:04] <wafflej0ck> anyone got systemjs with Jasmine, it doesn't seem to be firing the beforeEach calls anymore, not sure what to do
[03:08] <wafflej0ck> ah sorry wrong chat
[03:11] <regedit> is it possible / ok to install latest NVIDIA drivers downloaded diretly from NVIDIA? or is it best to stick to distro provided
[03:12] <Bashing-om> regedit: Nvidia site is not directly supported here, AND can you cope with re-installing the driver each time the kernel and Xorg is updated ?
[03:13] <regedit> must i?
[03:13] <regedit> what is this Driver Manager (in Kubuntu)
[03:14] <Bashing-om> If you install from Nvidia's site, then yes you must. As the driver buildt againt the present kernel will break with the new kernel install .
[03:14] <regedit> hm
[03:14] <Bashing-om> regedit: If you stick with the repo, the system will take care of it .
[03:14] <Guest73405> who
[03:15] <regedit> Bashing-om: i see, thanks for explaining!
[03:16] <Bashing-om> regedit: If you can cope with the breakage, you are welcome to test Nvidia's driver .
[03:28] <xentity1x> can anyone help me figure out why no audio is being sent to my bluetooth speaker
[03:28] <svetlana> because it's connected
[03:39] <JinjaNinja> Are there any patches to fix an error with my AMD processor upon wakeup? Sometimes when I wake up my computer there's like, a command prompt that issues a little error of some sort, then it goes away
[03:43] <vnmsdfsidf> how do I remove gdm and lightdm from ubuntu?
[03:43] <vnmsdfsidf> i dont want any display managers
[03:43] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: why?
[03:43] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: cause I dont want them
[03:44] <cfhowlett> vnmsdfsidf, ubuntu server has no DM
[03:44] <vnmsdfsidf> i have ubuntu minimal
[03:44] <vnmsdfsidf> when i install xorg it installs gdm and doesnt let me remove
[03:44] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: you can boot to text if you want
[03:44] <vnmsdfsidf> when i try to remove gdm it installs lightdm
[03:44] <EriC^> add text to the kernel line in /etc/default/grub
[03:45] <vnmsdfsidf> .....
[03:45] <vnmsdfsidf> how do I remove all display managers?
[03:46] <vnmsdfsidf> well this is disappointing...
[03:47] <cfhowlett> vnmsdfsidf, install ubuntu server.  do not install display manager.  done.
[03:47] <vnmsdfsidf> cfhowlett: 1) i dont want to install ubuntu server 2) I did not explicitly install a display manager
[03:47] <vnmsdfsidf> 3) that doesnt answer my question
[03:50] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, then install ubuntu minimal and only install the packages you need. Removing excessive packages takes longer and is more likely to break ubuntu
[03:50] <mobile3> how to install yum ?
[03:50] <cfhowlett> !yum | mobile3
[03:50] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, If you did not install a display manager, who did ?
[03:51] <vnmsdfsidf> bodhi_zazen: it installs it when you install xorg
[03:51] <bodhi_zazen> mobile3, yum is Fedora < 22 , and yum is depreciated on Fedora 22 +
[03:51] <le_pig> lol
[03:51] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, no it does not
[03:51] <vnmsdfsidf> yes it does
[03:51] <mobile3> ubottu: I don't know about !apt
[03:51] <vnmsdfsidf> thats literally the only package I installed
[03:51] <bodhi_zazen> so remove xorg
[03:51] <vnmsdfsidf> i need xorg
[03:51] <bodhi_zazen> then use xorg
[03:51] <vnmsdfsidf> which part of this is not clear?
[03:51] <mobile3> ubottu: ??
[03:52] <mobile3> bodhi_zazen: I want to install it on ubuntu
[03:52] <cfhowlett> mobile3, wrong distro.  no yum for debian based distros including ubuntu
[03:52] <bodhi_zazen> "I don't want a display manager but I need a display manager" - lol
[03:53] <cfhowlett> mobile3, you can't, it won't work.  if you want/need yum, install redhat or a derivative.
[03:53] <vnmsdfsidf> bodhi_zazen: where did I say I want a display manager?
[03:53] <vnmsdfsidf> bodhi_zazen: is reading really that hard?
[03:53] <mobile3> cfhowlett: actually I want to uninstall nano... I searched and found ... yum remove nano
[03:54] <cfhowlett> vnmsdfsidf, little less attitude goes far to getting assistance.  we're all volunteers here.
[03:54] <cfhowlett> mobile3, sudo apt-get purge nano
[03:54] <vnmsdfsidf> so far all I've gotten is trollish uselessness
[03:54] <vnmsdfsidf> when I asked a simple and straightforward question
[03:54] <vnmsdfsidf> check your own attitude
[03:55] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, why did you install xorg ?
[03:55] <mobile3> sfhowlett:-bash: sudo: command not found
[03:55] <cfhowlett> vnmsdfsidf, so you respond with sarcasm?  yeah, no ...
[03:55] <vnmsdfsidf> bodhi_zazen: that doesnt matter
[03:55] <mobile3> cfhowlett:-bash: sudo: command not found
[03:55] <vnmsdfsidf> cfhowlett: if you have nothing useful to add, then dont say anything
[03:55] <bodhi_zazen> OK, well good luck to you then
[03:56] <vnmsdfsidf> bodhi_zazen: okay, go pretend to not be useless with someone else
[03:56] <bodhi_zazen> If you "vnmsdfsidf> i need xorg" then you have to live with the dependencies
[03:57] <cfhowlett> mobile3, true.  sudo is not a command.  paste the output of lsb_release -a
[03:57] <vnmsdfsidf> gdm is not a xorg dependency in a sane distro
[03:57] <vnmsdfsidf> thats just retarded
[03:57] <vnmsdfsidf> thats like having kde as a dependency for xorg
[03:57] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: hey dude ubuntu is made to be used with lightdm/gdm etc.
[03:57] <mobile3> cfhowlett: No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS Release:        14.04 Codename:       trusty
[03:58] <EriC^> take it or leave it or modify it by your own but dont come here asking for support expecting that and then whine about it
[03:58] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, gdm is not a xorg dependency - http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/xorg
[03:58] <OerHeks> What would one do with Xorg without dm ?
[03:58] <cfhowlett> mobile3, sudo apt-get purge nano
[03:59] <mobile3> cfhowlett: -bash: sudo: command not found
[03:59] <EriC^> mobile3: type echo $PATH
[03:59] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: I asked a simple question, is expecting a straight answer too much for your highness?
[03:59] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: if you don't know the answer, say 'I don't know.'
[04:00] <EriC^> not highness, i already explained, ubuntu uses lightdm it's made for that, you'r now SUPPOSED to use startx
[04:00] <mobile3> cfhowlett: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games
[04:00] <EriC^> get it? now you can use text in the kernel line, and i told you that
[04:00] <EriC^> so that's that, /join ##linux and ask about modifying it if you want
[04:01] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: that does not remove the display manager
[04:01] <vnmsdfsidf> get it?
[04:01] <vnmsdfsidf> I'm not trying to modify any code here
[04:01] <vnmsdfsidf> get it?
[04:01] <EriC^> k
[04:01] <EriC^> i get it:P
[04:01] <EriC^> :D
[04:01] <mobile3> cfhowlet: apt-get purge nano
[04:02] <mobile3> it worked
[04:02] <cfhowlett> mobile3, cool.  EriC^ why did the command fail in the first place??
[04:03] <mobile3> I removed sudo
[04:03] <EriC^> mobile3: he's using the root account
[04:03] <EriC^> cfhowlett: ^
[04:03] <Turnip_Green> New question for the evening.  How does one go about setting up a gaming type mouse for Ubuntu?  I'd like to use all the functionality of my fancy new 7 button gaming mouse.
[04:03] <cfhowlett> EriC^, oh no way?  people still use root?  SHAME!
[04:04] <vnmsdfsidf> god
[04:04] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, root@banshee:/# apt-get -s install xorg | grep gdm
[04:04] <bodhi_zazen> root@banshee:/# apt-get -s install xorg | grep lightdm
[04:04] <bodhi_zazen> root@banshee:/#
[04:04] <bodhi_zazen> nope, no gdm or lightdm with xorg
[04:04] <bodhi_zazen> so you must have installed something else
[04:05] <vnmsdfsidf> no
[04:06] <OerHeks> vnmsdfsidf, so what is your goal, displayserver without displaymanager ?
[04:07] <vnmsdfsidf> OerHeks: my goal is to have xorg and not have any display managers for a start
[04:08] <bodhi_zazen> apt-get purge lightdm gdm
[04:08] <vnmsdfsidf> it literally pops up a screen and forces me to select a display manager to use when I try to uninstall one
[04:08] <vnmsdfsidf> cant get much more retarded than that
[04:09] <OerHeks> vnmsdfsidf, well, any desktop relies on a DM, so pick your choise or install ubuntu server and install xorg manually.
[04:09] <OerHeks> vnmsdfsidf, is it retarded?
[04:09] <vnmsdfsidf> OerHeks: not thats just false
[04:10] <vnmsdfsidf> OerHeks: I did install xorg manually
[04:10] <vnmsdfsidf> 'any desktop relies on a DM' - wtf
[04:10] <kunji> The nautilus-dropbox package seems pretty broken on 14.04... keeps asking for root access, the .deb file direct from dropbox is working perfectly.
[04:11] <kunji> vnmsdfsidf: ... is it still a desktop without?  :P
[04:12] <vnmsdfsidf> kunji: yes....
[04:14] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: why do you have a problem with using text?
[04:14] <EriC^> what's the big deal?
[04:14] <ghostz> anyone running their linux box in a VM right now?
[04:14] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: I know how to use text, and that's not the question I asked
[04:14] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: it's not a matter of you knowing, what's the issue?
[04:14] <bodhi_zazen> ghostz, you taking a poll ? ;p
[04:14] <EriC^> you won't even know the dm is there
[04:15] <vnmsdfsidf> yes I will
[04:15] <ghostz> bodhi_zazen just curious how many like myself
[04:15] <vnmsdfsidf> anyway I managed to get it working by forcefully terminating the retarded uninstall procedure before it installed the other dm
[04:16] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: the issue is that a dm is installed, and I don't want it to be installed
[04:16] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: you probably have dpkg in an unconfigured state right now
[04:16] <EriC^> you can't install anything else unless you do sudo apt-get -f install
[04:16] <vnmsdfsidf> I'm not trying to find a compromise
[04:16] <EriC^> which will install lightdm
[04:16] <vnmsdfsidf> im trying to solve a problem
[04:17] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: no, I just installed dwm and it worked
[04:17] <EriC^> ok dpkg -l | awk '$1 ~ /dm$/' returns what?
[04:17] <EriC^> sorry, dpkg -l | awk '$2 ~ /dm$/' returns what?
[04:18] <bodhi_zazen> ghostz, virtualization is popular, I run a few servers virtual, and often I package on a VM
[04:18] <bodhi_zazen> sort of nice to keep development independent of my desktop
[04:19] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: anyways, it might reinstall it if you run sudo apt-get -f install , so maybe create a lightdm dummy package, or just manually remove the files or something
[04:19] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, best thing about opensource - if you break it you get to keep both pieces
[04:19] <Hamled> Is LVM2 still the recommended software to use on Ubuntu 14.04, for doing LVM-like stuff
[04:20] <bodhi_zazen> Hamled, lol
[04:20] <ubuntu552> that was funny bodhi_zazen
[04:20] <bodhi_zazen> Hamled, if it is in the repos, it is recommended ;p
[04:20] <Hamled> bodhi_zazen, okay a better question is
[04:20] <Hamled> I have four disks I want to treat as a single volume but I don't really need raid
[04:20] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: nah, if I ever see this shit installed again, I'm removing ubuntu and going to a proper distro
[04:21] <Hamled> is lvm2 still the thing to use for that
[04:21] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: that command returns nothing btw
[04:21] <bodhi_zazen> Hamled, if you do not want RAID, yes LVM is the way to go
[04:21] <Hamled> thanks
[04:21] <cfhowlett> !guidelines | vnmsdfsidf no profanity per the IRC user guidelines.  thank you.
[04:21] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: good, it means the package isn't in dpkg
[04:21] <Hamled> didn't want to go real far into getting it setup and then find out it's been replaced by something elese
[04:22] <bodhi_zazen> Just keep in mind, with LVM it is easy to ADD additional space / volumes
[04:23] <bodhi_zazen> but it is difficult to REMOVE or downsize
[04:23] <Hamled> yah
[04:25] <yourname> what is RAID
[04:25] <cfhowlett> !raid | yourname
[04:25] <moondog> kunji: I experienced a similar issue with the dropbox package on 14.04
[04:26] <moondog> the one from the repo seems broken. grabbing it off the dropbox site worked fine.
[04:28]  * hide4
[04:41] <mach20x> I tried to reinstall  fglrx , when I used this command sudo amdconfig --adapter=all --initial ...the output was no adapters
[04:44] <mach20x> from the beginning it seems as though I was missing the xorg.conf file I'm currently on a normal boot with the lowest settings for gui 640x480
[04:47] <jonathan_> hey, is this the right room for wifi card support?
[04:48] <cfhowlett> jonathan_, yes.  details.  ask
[04:48] <jonathan_> I'm setting up a desktop for a friend, using a broadcom 4321 card
[04:49] <cfhowlett> !broadcom | jonathan_
[04:49] <jonathan_> I don't have any network connection, so I went with those instructions
[04:50] <jonathan_> I put the tar on the computer, extracted, ran install, and it's showing the network, but it times out on trying to connect
[04:56] <jonathan_> I'll try the sta driver
[05:14] <Xip> Dear Ubuntu friends.. I have a serious question here..
[05:15] <OerHeks> Xip, just ask, wait and see.
[05:17] <easyOnMe> how do I delete a file from a portable hard disk in ubuntu when you are shown a message like this
[05:17] <easyOnMe> Error when getting information for file '/media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/FormTable': Input/output error
[05:17] <easyOnMe> thanks in advance
[05:18] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, is that folder there? is that file there? is the filesystem healty ?
[05:18] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: yeah the folder is there
[05:19] <easyOnMe> but i do not know the file system is healthy or not
[05:20] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, what filesystem is it? ntfs, ext4?
[05:22] <dacorr_> Anyone know if Synology Note can be used via ubuntu without having to login to the NAS?
[05:22] <regedit> um, ksystraycmd does not exist?
[05:22] <easyOnMe> ntfs
[05:22] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: ntfs
[05:23] <ghostz> load that thing in windows
[05:23] <ghostz> scan disk, delete
[05:23] <ghostz> or use file "unlocker" to delete
[05:24] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, i would use windows to run a filecheck, or from ubuntu > ntfsfix /dev/sdXX # where sdxx is your external hdd, sdb1 or something like that
[05:25] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: what command will I use on the terminal then
[05:25] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: the name of my external hard disk is Erwin Novo
[05:25] <easyOnMe> and it is currently mounted
[05:26] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, find out what name that partiotion has, sudo fdisk -l  # will tell you
[05:26] <OerHeks> and unmount it before fixing
[05:26] <regedit> hello i have Kubuntu 15.04 with KDE Plasma 5.2.2, any reason ksystraycmd does not exist?
[05:26] <easyOnMe> ok
[05:26] <easyOnMe> give me a sec will do it now
[05:28] <OerHeks> regedit, you might want to ask in #kubuntu too, as it is kubuntu specific.
[05:29] <regedit> OerHeks: or...is it? but yeah thanks, i did ask there too
[05:29] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: http://imgur.com/GE31Tuh
[05:30] <easyOnMe> that is what I got after I type fdisk -l command on the termina
[05:30] <easyOnMe> terminal
[05:30] <easyOnMe> my concern is I do not know which one is the hard disk
[05:30] <liquidee> you should be looking for ntfs one
[05:30] <liquidee> and its the one that has /dev/sdb1 partition in it
[05:31] <liquidee> right?
[05:31] <easyOnMe> liquidee: man I am only using Linux these past few months
[05:31] <easyOnMe> I am really not sure
[05:31] <easyOnMe> sorry newbie here
[05:32] <liquidee> there are two disks listed: sda and sdb
[05:32] <liquidee> and under each, there are partitions listed
[05:32] <liquidee> the first disk, sda, is 320 GB and contains 4 partitions with various linux filesystems
[05:33] <liquidee> the other one is 80GB sdb which contains sdb1 partition with NTFS
[05:33] <easyOnMe> ntfsfix /dev/sdb1
[05:33] <kunji> moondog: I'm not sure if there is an official bug report or not on that...
[05:33] <easyOnMe> I just gave that command on the terminal just now and it says OK
[05:33] <liquidee> try to delete that file now
[05:34] <easyOnMe> liquidee: I still cannot delete
[05:34] <easyOnMe> this is nuts man
[05:34] <easyOnMe> lol
[05:34] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: what file?
[05:34] <kunji> That's what I was about to ask
[05:35] <easyOnMe> liquidee: Error removing file: Directory not empty
[05:35] <liquidee> i guess this one: /media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/FormTable
[05:35] <easyOnMe> when I open the folder there is nothing inside it
[05:35] <easyOnMe> when I press CTRL H
[05:35] <easyOnMe> nothing ever shows up
[05:35] <kunji> Sounds exactly like a broken filesystem to me
[05:35] <easyOnMe> kunji: this is an NTFS
[05:36] <easyOnMe> just run ntfsfix command and says OK
[05:36] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: are you using the terminal to remove it?
[05:36] <easyOnMe> no
[05:36] <easyOnMe> GUI
[05:36] <EriC^^> try using the terminal
[05:36] <liquidee> try "sudo rm -rf /media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/FormTable"
[05:36] <liquidee> and check if thats the file you want to remove
[05:36] <easyOnMe> I am looking at the current folder inside the external hard disk
[05:36] <xrfang> hi, I try to install vmware-view-client following this post: http://askubuntu.com/questions/486549/how-to-install-vmware-view-client
[05:36] <kunji> easyOnMe: Yeah, which makes it worse because ntfsfix is not very useful, it is not a proper filesystem fixing application.
[05:36] <liquidee> im just guessing :D
[05:36] <xrfang> it does not work (package not found). I am running 15.04.
[05:37] <xrfang> any ideas please?
[05:37] <kunji> easyOnMe: You'll probably need to get some real chkdsk running
[05:37] <easyOnMe> kunji: like?
[05:37] <kunji> easyOnMe: The one included with Windows T.T
[05:37] <OerHeks> easyOnMe,  so if ntfsfix says oke, then there is nothing wrong, you can perform "ntfsfix -d /dev/sdb1 "will clear the dirty bit on an NTFS volume.
[05:38] <easyOnMe> liquidee: didn't work in the terminal
[05:38] <kunji> OerHeks: That should be the case, but he also shouldn't have been able to mount it if only the dirty bit was the problem
[05:38] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: what did it say?
[05:38] <OerHeks> kunji, also true, i recommend windows for these troubles.
[05:39] <liquidee> EriC^^ it might be because he has spaces in the path i pasted - my bad
[05:39] <EriC^^> no problem
[05:39] <kunji> liquidee: I'm pretty sure that's a different error though, isn't that a folder cannot be found/does not exist, something like that?
[05:39] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: open the terminal, type rm -r and drag the dir you want to delete from nautilus to the terminal
[05:39] <MACscr> I have ubuntu trusty running within a xen guest and im trying to upgrade grub from 1 to 2. Any advice on this error? http://pastie.org/pastes/10242424/text
[05:40] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: ok one sec
[05:41] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: this is what I got after following your instructions
[05:41] <easyOnMe> http://imgur.com/hY27I5f
[05:41] <MACscr> its a PVM guest, so it is using its own kernel
[05:42] <liquidee> kunji:  i guess you were right :)
[05:42] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: try it again, make sure there's a ' at the end
[05:43] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: correct
[05:43] <kunji> Eric^^: There is
[05:43] <easyOnMe> that was what I did
[05:43] <easyOnMe> there is
[05:43] <EriC^^> kunji: nah, it took the file as \n\n at the end
[05:43] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: nope, you had to add the ' later
[05:43] <EriC^^> after it said >
[05:44] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, please no space in that line, /media/erwin/Erwin/Novo/etc ....
[05:44] <kunji> Eric^^: It was still ended with the ', he just got some new lines in there :P
[05:44] <EriC^^> kunji: yeah :P
[05:48] <gagalicious> any major difference between ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server other than the server version does not come pre packaged with a gui? i mean deb wise, is it gonna be significant difference? i would like to use the desktop version for some of my server because there's a gui. that's about all. not the server farm production.
[05:48] <OerHeks> gagalicious, no, they use the same repos
[05:50] <liquidee> gagalicious: there should be no problem with using a desktop for server
[05:51] <gagalicious> OerHeks: thanks
[05:51] <gagalicious> liquidee: thanks
[05:52] <gagalicious> i cant believe ubuntu server and desktop use the same repo... that's totally different from the way fedora and centos works.
[05:52] <gagalicious> oh well...
[05:53] <OerHeks> same repo, different package selections
[05:53] <EriC^^> well that's linux, lots of options and different ways to do stuff :>
[06:12] <mobile3> what is the command to restart apache ?
[06:13] <mobile3> it was something like that httpd....
[06:14] <mobile3> what is the command to restart apache ?
[06:15] <Ben64> what version of ubuntu
[06:18] <Tex_Nick> mobile3: try /etc/init.d/apache2 start for later virsions of ubuntu ?
[06:19] <EriC^^> mobile3: sudo service apache2 restart
[06:19] <Ben64> i think the command is different on 15.04+
[06:19] <EriC^^> Ben64: nah, it has a service script that converts the command to a systemd systemctl command
[06:20] <mobile3> Tex_Nick: -bash: /etc/init.d/apache2: No such file or directory
[06:21] <mobile3> EriC^^:apache2: unrecognized service
[06:21] <mobile3> I used this  service httpd restart
[06:22] <mobile3> I don't know whether it worked or not but now I am able to access my website
[06:24] <murcha> have you came across a good backup script for site's files so it shouldn't create daily backup, instead it should only update a backup file.?
[06:27] <nrdb> why does the an 'apt-get purge <package>' ask to do a 'apt-get -f install' first
[06:28] <EriC^^> nrdb: you probably have unmet dependencies
[06:29] <nrdb> EriC^^, so why does doing a purge care about unmet dependencies?  ... I am trying to get rid of something (grub-common in this case)
[06:30] <EriC^^> nrdb: it might purge something that needs to have something else replaced for stability
[06:30] <EriC^^> so it needs to make sure everything is ok before proceeding
[06:31] <EriC^^> (just guessing)
[06:31] <nrdb> I am sure wishing that when a package is held it would say held ... and not get install latter.
[06:45] <Tex_Nick> out of curosity, why is it that nautilus, or any other mainline GUI OS file manager (Apple, Mac) allow a simple directory printout (with options) ?
[06:45] <Tex_Nick> win also ^^^
[06:46] <EriC^^> there's gvfs-tree
[06:48] <Tex_Nick> EriC^^: hmmm ok ... thanks my friend, I'll have a look at it ... tis esay enough to do in terminal ... but would be nice as an option in nautilus
[06:48] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: this is what I got
[06:48] <easyOnMe> http://imgur.com/y0DLPGf
[06:48] <easyOnMe> after you wanted me to delete the extra spaces
[06:49] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: type rm -r , press space, then drag the dir there
[06:49] <easyOnMe> ok one sec
[06:50] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, why a space in that line  /media/erwin Erwin/Novo/etc ....  /media/erwin/Erwin/Novo/etc ....
[06:50] <OerHeks> even a ' does not solve that
[06:50] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: well I did try deleting the space but it is still the same
[06:50] <EriC^^> OerHeks: the dir has a space in it, it's ok though cause of '
[06:51] <OerHeks> ehm ... /media/erwin/Erwin/Novo/etc should work, you miss a /
[06:51] <OerHeks> so rm sees it as 2 folders, no?
[06:51] <EriC^^> OerHeks: nah, the dir actually has a space in it
[06:51] <auronandace_> why not just tab complete it instead?
[06:52] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: I do not know for no reason
[06:52] <Tex_Nick> EriC^^: hmmm gvfs-tree looks like a command line utility ... not a nautilus gui utility ?
[06:52] <easyOnMe> whenever I drag and drop the folder into the terminal
[06:52] <easyOnMe> this is what happens
[06:52] <easyOnMe> http://imgur.com/5AnuALH
[06:52] <EriC^^> Tex_Nick: yes
[06:52] <Tex_Nick> ahhh ok sir
[06:53] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: just type rm -r , press space then drag
[06:53] <EriC^^> and hit enter
[06:54] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: that's what I did
[06:55] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: it keeps on saying no such file or directory
[06:55] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: ok, this is the syntax, rm -r '/path/to file/with spaces/you want to delete'
[06:56] <Ben64> just type it and use tab to complete
[06:56] <Ben64> so much easier
[06:56] <EriC^^> notice a ' at the start of the path, a  ' at the end, and space between rm -r and the '/path' part
[06:56] <EriC^^> Ben64: it's like the longest path in history
[06:56] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: just did but it keeps on saying folder or directory not empty
[06:56] <easyOnMe> I check the folder is empty
[06:56] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: can you paste the output?
[06:56] <easyOnMe> I press CTRL H
[06:56] <easyOnMe> no files shows up
[06:57] <easyOnMe> erwin@erwin-M720SRS:~$ rm -r '/media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/Form'
[06:57] <easyOnMe> rm: cannot remove ‘/media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/Form’: Directory not empty
[06:57] <easyOnMe> erwin@erwin-M720SRS:~$
[06:57] <liquidee> guys, i think he did it right
[06:57] <EriC^^> yeah this time it was right
[06:57] <liquidee> he did it right last time we talked, but he has some filesystem issues
[06:57] <easyOnMe> my issue here is it claims directory is not empty when it is
[06:58] <easyOnMe> you press CTRL H nothing shows up
[06:58] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: try it with rm -rf this time
[06:58] <easyOnMe> when you do it inside the Form folder
[06:58] <easyOnMe> ok wait
[06:58] <liquidee> try to do "ls -al <this_dir>" and rm -rf <this_dir>
[06:58] <Ben64> rm -r should remove directories that aren't empty
[06:58] <liquidee> ye
[06:58] <liquidee> he had some filesystems issues. this is an ntfs drive
[06:59] <easyOnMe> erwin@erwin-M720SRS:~$ rm -rf '/media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/Form'
[06:59] <easyOnMe> rm: cannot remove ‘/media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/Form’: Directory not empty
[06:59] <easyOnMe> erwin@erwin-M720SRS:~$
[06:59] <easyOnMe> that is the result even if we force it
[06:59] <easyOnMe> this is nuts
[06:59] <easyOnMe> lol
[06:59] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: try it with sudo, worth a shot
[06:59] <EriC^^> sudo rm -rf
[06:59] <liquidee> lol
[07:00] <EriC^^> i think it know what's wrong
[07:00] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: type alias rm
[07:01] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: and then what
[07:01] <easyOnMe> erwin@erwin-M720SRS:~$ type alias rm
[07:01] <easyOnMe> alias is a shell builtin
[07:01] <easyOnMe> rm is hashed (/bin/rm)
[07:01] <easyOnMe> erwin@erwin-M720SRS:~$
[07:01] <EriC^^> nevermind, i thought it might be aliased to rmdir
[07:01] <easyOnMe> ok
[07:01] <liquidee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1551719
[07:02] <Ben64> uh, you're supposed to type "alias rm" not "type alias rm"
[07:03] <easyOnMe> liquidee: but I close all nautilus windows alredy
[07:03] <easyOnMe> already
[07:03] <liquidee> try that command
[07:03] <liquidee> mentioned in the thread
[07:04] <easyOnMe> liquidee: you mean the while command
[07:04] <easyOnMe> are you referring to that
[07:04] <liquidee> no
[07:04] <easyOnMe> fuser
[07:04] <EriC^^> this seems interesting https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=185824
[07:04] <EriC^^> says a corruption in filesystem
[07:04] <liquidee> fuser -m <dir>
[07:05] <liquidee> he should do a ntfs check with windows
[07:05] <easyOnMe> liquidee: I just did nothing happens
[07:06] <OerHeks> Why didn't you try to remove it within windows then?
[07:07] <easyOnMe> ok guys
[07:07] <EriC^^> i think you should use windows to repair the filesystem or something
[07:07] <easyOnMe> thanks for all the help
[07:07] <EriC^^> /join ##windows and they should be able to help
[07:07] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: that is why I am using ubuntu because I do not use windows
[07:07] <easyOnMe> anyway
[07:07] <easyOnMe> I will look for a windows laptop
[07:07] <easyOnMe> thanks for all your help
[07:08] <robbix> what's up?
[07:08] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, oh i understood you did a ntfs check from within windows..
[07:09] <easyOnMe> I will once I get my hands on windows
[07:09] <easyOnMe> gtg
[07:09] <easyOnMe> thanks everyone
[07:14] <murcha> is it possible to mound ubuntu's var partition from windows server 2008?
[07:15] <EriC^^> murcha: yeah, you need to install some stuff though, i don't recall the name though
[07:15] <murcha> install in ubuntu?
[07:15] <EriC^^> no, in windows
[07:15] <EriC^^> so you can mount ext partitions
[07:17] <murcha> Ext2Fsd?
[07:17] <EriC^^> i think it's it
[07:17] <murcha> i can access ubuntu thourgh ssh connection.
[07:17] <NicholasC> I've got several Ubuntu VMs on HyperV that randomly enter Read-only FS states. Whilst we're looking for the cause, I need something that automatically reboots the machine and runs fsck -y. I've currently got this up and running via an errors=panic in my fstab, followed by a reboot after kernel panic, but this obviously doesn't have the benefit that errors=remount-ro provides. Is there any way to detect when remount-ro fires and reboot
[07:17] <NicholasC> after it's finished?
[07:36] <stevenmcqueeven> anyone here?
[07:37] <OerHeks> :-)
[07:37] <ESphynx> are people @ Canonical paying attention to LP #1268257 ? :P
[07:37] <ESphynx> people are getting infuriated :P
[07:38] <beeto> hi there
[07:39] <deicider> Hello. When will 3.19. kernel be backported to 14.04?
[07:39] <stevenmcqueeven> I can't get ubuntu to download
[07:39] <stevenmcqueeven> and I need help lol
[07:39] <OerHeks> ESphynx, nvidia 331, isn't that a old version, I thought 340 is current now?
[07:40] <ESphynx> OerHeks: it may be, but it was the latest for a long while and still seems to be what I get by default on 14.04 ?
[07:40] <ESphynx> (aka the LTS)
[07:41] <ESphynx> I may even have 14.10 ...
[07:42] <ESphynx> yeah, 14.10 installed and still what comes up
[07:42] <OerHeks> ESphynx, i would check the driver tool again, and install 340.
[07:43] <ESphynx> OerHeks: wouldn't apt-get upgrade do that for you?
[07:44] <ESphynx> "OerHeks: The device is using the reocmmended driver"
[07:44] <ESphynx> everytime an nVidia user using LTS or 14.10 does an upgrade, nasty cras reports appear.
[07:44] <ESphynx> this has been going on for more than a whole year.
[07:45] <OerHeks> No, apt-get upgrade does nothing with the closed nvidia driver, you have to select it yourself in the drivermenu
[07:46] <ESphynx> OerHeks: it wouldn't make any sense not to select a version known to work better with apt-get upgrade
[07:46] <ESphynx> but as I said above, there's nothing else to select anyways.
[07:47] <ESphynx> as much as I'd like nVidia to give out specs so that we can write good open-source drivers, if the proprietary drivers work better, users should use the proprietary drivers to get their graphics performance
[07:47] <ESphynx> so treating closed driver users as secondclass users is just wrong
[07:47] <OerHeks> ESphynx, oh i see, i am wrong, 340 isn't out for 14.04 .. http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/trusty/misc/
[07:47] <TJ-> ESphynx: crash reports involving nvidia might be to do with a kernel upgrade. If, for example, the systems are using a newer kernel (from the hardware enablement pack) the source of older nvidia version's may fail to build correctly when the DKMS hook is called during kernel installation. I've had to modify the nvidia source a couple of times for nvidia 346 since I use mainline kernels with 14.04
[07:47] <ESphynx> OerHeks: neither is it for 14.10
[07:48] <ESphynx> TJ-: yes that might be waht it is.
[07:48] <ESphynx> but the apparent indifference for more than a year is the issue here.
[07:48] <ESphynx> Both the LTS and 14.10 suffers from thi
[07:48] <Ben64> ESphynx: you just gotta do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-331" after updating until they fix the bug
[07:48] <ESphynx> Ben64: i.e. at every update?
[07:48] <TJ-> ESphynx: if that is the cause there should be a very prominent warning from DKMS when the kernel is being installed. That should be caught in the crash report details that are being reported to the user
[07:49] <Ben64> ESphynx: every kernel update, sure
[07:49] <goutham> Hey guys!
[07:49] <ESphynx> Ben64: but why can't there be a way to automate that process and submit that?
[07:49] <goutham> I have accidently rewmoved python2.7
[07:49] <ESphynx> Ubuntu is supposed to be Linux for grandmas.
[07:49] <OerHeks> Ben64 +1  .. the header says so, plus "after that... $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-331-uvm"
[07:49] <TJ-> ESphynx: This sohuldn't happen for the 14.04 standard kernels with the nvida packages for 14.04
[07:50] <ESphynx> TJ-: I think the fact that this bug is still open and people are screaming is that it still does.
[07:50] <Ben64> TJ-: it does
[07:50] <OerHeks> goutham, time to reinstall ubuntu, as python 2,7 is needed for softwareinstall AFAIK.
[07:51] <TJ-> ESphynx: what's the bug number? I only just came into the channel
[07:51] <ESphynx> 1268257
[07:51] <ESphynx> and a zillion others.
[07:51] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1268257
[07:52] <ESphynx> the last comment is describing the situation very nicely :P
[07:52] <goutham> @OerHeks is there anyway I can do without reinstalling ubuntu
[07:52] <Ben64> ESphynx: check comment #323
[07:53] <ESphynx> Ben64: +1 on that :)
[07:53] <OerHeks> goutham, removing python2.7 also removed a lot of dependencies ..
[07:54] <TJ-> OK, it's not a trivial fix so that explains the delay see bug #1431753
[07:54] <goutham> Ya will upgrade work fine here?
[07:54] <Jackwv> why can't my dvd cd driver load?
[07:54] <OerHeks> goutham, there is no quick fix
[07:55] <ESphynx> TJ-: that's insightful
[07:55] <TJ-> In summary, one package relies on the build product of another package, something that is not supposed to happen in Debian land, so it requires merging both packages into one and providing a non-breaking transition for upgrades
[07:55] <deicider> OerHeks: But, can't he just reinstall python? Assuming he didn't autoremove everything
[07:55] <Jackwv> i can't get my external hardrive to load either is there a easy and quick solution
[07:56] <OerHeks> deicider, if there was, i would say so.. and assumption is wrong, removing python2.7 removes a lot, probably half desktop
[07:56] <Ben64> TJ-: over 2500 people are affected by it, and no real updates on progress in over a year
[07:56] <TJ-> ESphynx: I've not hit that issue, maybe because I'm using the nvidia 340 driver from the Xorg edgers PPA: 340.76-0ubuntu1~xedgers14.04.4
[07:56] <Ben64> TJ-: its quite annoying
[07:56] <Ben64> TJ-: the ppa doesn't have the problem
[07:57] <goutham> OerHeks Thanks :)
[07:58] <ESphynx> Ben64: a large portion of those users probably gave up on Ubuntu already. Apparently Mint doesn't suffer from it either.
[07:58] <ikonia> that seems unlikley
[07:58] <OerHeks> ESphynx, other solution, use the regular 331 driver, not the update?
[07:58] <TJ-> Ben64: ESphynx Let me see if I can figure out a quick workaround to get the module to build, aside from merging packages - something that will at least get the local system to build correctly.
[07:59] <ESphynx> OerHeks: I just use whatever Ubuntu recommends / sets up
[07:59] <ESphynx> It's actually not a big problem, stuff still works
[07:59] <Ben64> i'd say its a big problem
[07:59] <ESphynx> but everytime an upgrade happens nasty crash messages occur
[07:59] <Ben64> and if you don't build the module using dpkg-reconfigure, you get no graphics after rebooting
[07:59] <ESphynx> Ben64: it's a big problem on the big picture, not for me personally.
[08:00] <TJ-> ESphynx: how about suppressing those messages temporarily?
[08:00] <ESphynx> Ben64: perhaps that's what has been causing my system to stop working
[08:00] <Ben64> well i've worked around the problem by doing a dpkg-reconfigure
[08:00] <ESphynx> I keep having to do weird tweaks, maybe that is what is casing it
[08:00] <Ben64> but that is hardly a solution
[08:00] <Ben64> most people won't know how or what to do
[08:00] <ESphynx> I think I fixed it with another apt-get upgrade or what not
[08:00] <ESphynx> Ben64: definitely.
[08:00] <ESphynx> then it's terrible.
[08:01] <ESphynx> I just don't understand why this isn't the top priority at Canonical?
[08:01] <ESphynx> nVidia driver users is a large chunk of users
[08:02] <TJ-> ESphynx: because most focus inside Canonical now is on server, cloud, and phone
[08:02] <Ben64> if i knew who to talk to, i would have
[08:02] <Ben64> besides this, 14.04 is so smooth and easy
[08:03] <TJ-> I'm creating a backported package from Vivid now; I'll upload it to my PPA shortly
[08:07] <TJ-> ESphynx: If you're able to test it and confirm it works I can attach the fixed branch to the bug report and propose it for an SRU
[08:07] <ESphynx> TJ-: that's a pity :(
[08:08] <TJ-> ESphynx: pity?
[08:08] <ESphynx> server/cloud/phone
[08:08] <TJ-> ESphynx: that's where the money is
[08:08] <histo>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/12
[08:17] <TJ-> I've just been reminded why I do _not_ like bzr DVCS!
[08:18] <ESphynx> :)
[08:19] <freakynl> Hi, I have a SAS disk with some bad sectors and was running badblocks against it. By default badblocks will use Direct I/O, but it only does ~7MB/s with that, with the -B option (use buffered I/O instead of direct I/O) it does ~120MB/s. Any idea what causes this?
[08:19] <histo> freakynl: have you ever used dd?
[08:20] <metalice> hi, what is your opinion about swap partition and ssd ?
[08:20] <freakynl> histo: sure
[08:21] <freakynl> metalice: if there's enough ram I don't use swap, then again, if there's enough ram linux won't use swap easily under normal circumstances anyways
[08:21] <histo> freakynl: do you understand when you use a bigger block size why it speeds up?
[08:23] <freakynl> histo: yes because it can fill the buffer/cache on the disk which makes it easier for it to keep on writing continously. Is there a difference between SATA and SAS how this works? Have ran badblocks against SATA disks plenty of times and they don't exhibit this behaviour (perhaps write caching is off by default on SAS I suppose then?)
[08:24] <hpekdemir> hi all. how would you interpret this output from smartctl?
[08:24] <hpekdemir> 7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   063   060   030    Pre-fail  Always       -<PHONE_NUMBER>
[08:25] <hpekdemir> 9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       63
[08:25] <hpekdemir> isn't that weird?
[08:25] <OerHeks> !paste
[08:25] <histo> hpekdemir: pipe the output to | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:25] <hpekdemir> histo: I only pasted these two lines
[08:25] <hpekdemir> no need for more
[08:26] <hpekdemir> this is a new disk arrvied last week.
[08:26] <histo> hpekdemir: and the column headers for 063 060 030?
[08:26] <hpekdemir> you see its not running for long. how come I get these seek error yet
[08:27] <hpekdemir> VALUE . WORST and THRESH
[08:27] <hpekdemir> in that order.
[08:27] <histo> hpekdemir: and we're supposed to interpret that from your two lines?
[08:27] <hpekdemir> let me nopaste.
[08:28] <histo> hpekdemir: z4x f8* () ?^|
[08:29] <histo> hpekdemir: 01100100 01110010 01101001 01110110   that's the first part of my answer in binary
[08:29] <hpekdemir> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/488414
[08:33] <crazyhorse18> how do i copy my encrypted home directory data to another drive so that it is not encrypted on the other drive?
[08:33] <EriC^^> crazyhorse18: decrypt and mount it
[08:33] <EriC^^> then copy
[08:34] <crazyhorse18> i've read 20 articles on this, and i'm still confused
[08:34] <hpekdemir> now I pasted. and no answer. haha
[08:34] <ESphynx> TJ-: let me know if you have smoething to test :) heading to bed
[08:34] <crazyhorse18> i've tried manually mounting the encrypted drive
[08:34] <EriC^^> crazyhorse18: are you booted into the installation? or a live usb?
[08:34] <crazyhorse18> but i can't get it to work.. i'm booted into the installation
[08:34] <EriC^^> it should already be decrypted
[08:34] <EriC^^> if you've logged in
[08:35] <crazyhorse18> i just exlcude the ./encryptfs directory from my rsync command ?
[08:35] <OerHeks> hpekdemir, seek error rares are extremely high
[08:35] <EriC^^> yeah, i guess, are all your files there?
[08:35] <ESphynx> good night guys
[08:35] <OerHeks> should be 0 on a healthy disc
[08:36] <hpekdemir> OerHeks: but could it be because of the UDMA errors?
[08:36] <hpekdemir> lose cable etc.
[08:36] <crazyhorse18> EriC^^, I'm not sure because i dont' know the mechanics of how this encryptfs drive works
[08:36] <crazyhorse18> i mean to me they just look like normal files
[08:36] <histo> hpekdemir: how old is the drive?
[08:36] <crazyhorse18> but i don't know if it's just decrypting them as they are accessed or..
[08:37] <EriC^^> crazyhorse18: i think you should be able to copy them all correctly
[08:37] <histo> crazyhorse18: you can just copy the files if you see them. It won't encrypt them on the other end.
[08:37] <murcha> I have compressed 60GB of folder(out of 120gb) using tar, but the session terminated. If i restart the tar, will it start after 60GB or from zero?
[08:37] <crazyhorse18> ok.. so i just exclude the encrypt js directory from the rsycn right?
[08:37] <hpekdemir> histo: as you can see 63 hours.
[08:37] <hpekdemir> arrived last week.
[08:38] <histo> crazyhorse18: you can copy that directory as well allthough you won't need it.
[08:38] <histo> hpekdemir: I would warranty it personally
[08:39] <OerHeks> hpekdemir, loose cable .. not sure that can cause this, easy to fix, cables are not that expensive
[08:39] <crazyhorse18> histo: ok
[08:39] <hpekdemir> OerHeks: ok
[08:39] <hpekdemir> I will check the cables
[08:39] <javnut> I have a program (java) which needs to use notification bubbles, but I don't want to use the default bubbles because there's no close button
[08:39] <javnut> what's a good alternative?
[08:41] <histo> javnut: try asking your question in a java room
[08:41] <javnut> I don't need a java specific answer
[08:42] <ikonia> the default buttons ?
[08:42] <histo> javnut: are you writing this program?
[08:42] <javnut> histo: yes
[08:42] <histo> javnut: this is ubuntu related how?
[08:42] <ikonia> do you mean linking it into the desktop, or using java graphical libraries to create bubbles ?
[08:42] <ikonia> could you please define what you mean by bubbles please
[08:42] <javnut> ikonia: no, linking it to a desktop. similar to notify-osd which I'm calling now
[08:43] <ikonia> so that will depend on the desktop/theme
[08:43] <javnut> I'm basically calling notify-send right now with my parameters, I was hoping there's another similar application which I can use which does the same thing
[08:43] <dama> helo
[08:44] <ikonia> not really, if you're trying to hook it into the desktop enviornment you have to depened on what the desktop libraries will display
[08:44] <dama> i want to install windows 8 on ubuntu but did not work
[08:44] <javnut> I don't necesserily want to change my default notification-daemon
[08:44] <murcha> when i apply this on terminal "tar -uvf file.tar folder/ " the htop shows the process as "D tar-uvf file.tar folder/ "?
[08:45] <ikonia> dama: "on ubuntu" ?
[08:45] <ikonia> murcha: and ?
[08:45] <dama> yes using virtual box
[08:45] <javnut> well aren't there specific standalone programs which just display messages, or maybe Gtk libraries?
[08:45] <javnut> actually, I'm going to go look at the Gtk libraries. thanks
[08:45] <murcha> ikonia: why it is a D (uninterrupted sleep) process
[08:45] <OerHeks> javnut, notify-send does not come with an close button whatsoever >  markshuttleworth.com/archives/253 specifically this part: The most controversial part of the proposal is the idea that notifications should not have actions associated with them. In other words, no buttons
[08:46] <ikonia> javnut: there are loads of graphics libraries, but you'll have to depend on someone having those libraries on their system - where as the desktop will always exist
[08:46] <ikonia> murcha: because it's working
[08:46] <javnut> OerHeks: yes, I know
[08:46] <javnut> ikonia: this is a personal application, not meant for distribution
[08:47] <OerHeks> dama, you might want to seek help in #virtualbox or ##windows
[08:47] <dama> can some one assist me, how to install windows 8 on ubuntu using virtual box
[08:47] <ikonia> dama: how did it fail ?
[08:48] <murcha> ikonia: i used ctrl-c to cancel the job "tar -uvf file.tar folder/", because of the D process issue.  Is it safe to restart the job?
[08:48] <OerHeks> win8 can detect vbox AFAIK
[08:48] <dama> dosnt pick the windows cd
[08:48] <ikonia> why did you cancel the job based on a htop output ?
[08:48] <ikonia> just let it run it's job
[08:48] <ikonia> dama: then it suggests either the guest is not set to boot from a virtual CD - or the CD is wrong
[08:49] <murcha> ikonia: because the -v flag doesn't show any output from the tar jobs?
[08:50] <ikonia> what is the exact tar command you are running
[08:52] <murcha> ikonia: sudo tar -uvf  /mnt/backupdisk/remote_server/full/2015/23/site2-2015-06-01.tar /var/www/site2/
[08:52] <ikonia> murcha: so is the tar file actually getting updated ?
[08:53] <murcha> ikonia: i used the -v flag to see what happens, but there is no any output
[08:53] <dama> It reports the error vt-x is disabled
[08:53] <BuzzardBuzz> http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Windows-8-in-VirtualBox
[08:54] <OerHeks> dama, ahhh, shutdown, go into your bios, and enable vt-x
[08:54] <ikonia> murcha: seems odd, can you create a new archive of that directory ?
[08:54] <freakynl> histo: so is it the write caching? It is a sequential write nonetheless so still some confused about the insanely huge difference
[08:55] <murcha> ikonia: it is possible to create new archive. Actually i wanted to shorten the time by updating the old archive.
[08:56] <murcha> about 120GB of data
[08:57] <ikonia> murcha: understand that, but I thought if you can confirm you can create a new archive / not you may get better output which may give you a clue as to why it's not updating
[08:57] <ikonia> murcha: try updating the archive with ah test file in /tmp/1k.file for example
[08:59] <mcphail> murcha: even if it is working, running tar over a remote connection to update a 120GB archive is going to take ages. How long did you wait to see output?
[08:59] <gagalicious> is there a gui firewall that pops up and inform u that if someone is trying to access ur system through a port like avg?
[08:59] <TJ-> murcha: Are there a lot of files in that 120GB, if so, it'll take tar a long time to scan that before it starts accessing the file-system, since an update means it has to shuffle data around inside the existing archive and potentially create a temporary copy of the entire 120GB
[08:59] <histo> freakynl: when you use the buffer you are sacrificing memory by reducing calls
[09:00] <murcha> mcphail: when i create new archive it shows rapidly the output. but when i update an old archive it shows nothing
[09:00] <mcphail> murcha: of course it is quicker to create new - you don't have to check what needs added
[09:01] <mcphail> murcha: this is why tools like rsync are popular
[09:01] <murcha> TJ-: so it is safe to continue with update, isn't it?
[09:02] <murcha> mcphail: yes. updating a tar file should also work
[09:03] <mcphail> murcha: of course, but you need patience. A lot of it, in this case
[09:03] <histo> freakynl: those calls are the source of your slow donw
[09:03] <murcha> mcphail: sure thanks for hints.
[09:05] <mcphail> murcha: I like to use rsnapshot for this kind of things - an rsync wrapper which creates sequetial backups using hard-links for files which haven't changed. You can then tar the backup if you so desire
[09:05] <eduardo> is there any person who knows about hacking/security ? bit offtopic sorry
[09:06] <histo> eduardo: what is your question
[09:06] <murcha> mcphail: it is a great if i can manage squential backups
[09:07] <JordiF> exit
[09:07] <k1l_> eduardo: this channels focus is ubuntu support. and the community obviously cant help on malicious intentions
[09:08] <murcha> ikonia: i tested on my local ubuntu machine and the -v flag works gives and output of updated file.
[09:09] <hl_> Hi, everyone. I have installed Windows 7 on my hard drive, some time ago I installed Ubuntu on another sector same hard drive, after reboot, only Windows 7 started, how can I see grub menu to select OS?
[09:09] <murcha> mcphail: I have compressed 60GB of folder(out of 120gb) using tar, but the session terminated. If i restart the tar, will it start after 60GB or from zero?
[09:10] <EriC^^> hl_: are you in a live usb right now or windows?
[09:10] <OerHeks> hl_, if you installed ubuntu after windows7, hold shift @ boot .. if you installed windows7 after ubuntu, you need to reinstall grub2
[09:11] <mcphail> murcha: I've never used tar for very large archives. I _think_ it starts at 60GB but will take ages working out where to start and what to add. May be quicker starting fresh
[09:11] <arcsky> hey how can i give me full access to a tool called hping3 ?
[09:11] <Guiri> Is there an openssh PPA to update it beyond 6.6 in Trusty?
[09:11] <murcha> mcphail: ok
[09:11] <histo> Guiri: you can search for ppa's on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[09:11] <histo> Guiri: they are not supported here
[09:11] <arcsky> my friend*
[09:12] <hl_> OerHeks, I've installed Ubuntu after Windows 7. sorry, what does mean @hold shitf @ boot .. ?
[09:12] <TJ-> arcsky: Do you mean, give one user elevated privileges to run a single executable?
[09:12] <EriC^^> hl_: do you have uefi?
[09:13] <OerHeks> hl_, while booting, hold shift.
[09:13] <arcsky> TJ-: yeah
[09:13] <EriC^^> i don't think it'll help, he says windows is booting straight away
[09:13] <OerHeks> EriC^^, that is why i asked what is installed last ..
[09:13] <TJ-> hl_: Windows will have overwritten the GRUB boot loader with its own. You'll need to reinstall the GRUB boot loader
[09:14] <EriC^^> TJ-: he said he installed ubuntu after windows 7, yet windows boot straight away
[09:14] <EriC^^> could it be win7 uefi? or just grub-install didn't work in the installer?
[09:14] <hl_> EriC^^, hm I dont know
[09:14] <ikonia> because he's installed grub on the wrong place
[09:14] <TJ-> EriC^^: I read that the opposite way around
[09:14] <EriC^^> or that ^
[09:14] <ikonia> $10 says he installed from a USB disk
[09:15] <ikonia> and grub got put on the USB disk as it's sda
[09:15] <ikonia> because of his bios boot ordering
[09:15] <Johnny_Linux> ill put $20.00 in
[09:15] <ankk> hi
[09:15] <hl_> How can I check is uefi motherboard?
[09:16] <BuzzardBuzz> your bios will tell you
[09:16] <TJ-> hl_: Maybe it's a UEFI system with FastBoot enabled?
[09:16] <EriC^^> hl_: are you in a live usb right now?
[09:16] <BuzzardBuzz> if uefi
[09:16] <ankk> i have a sony svs151290x notebook and i use ubuntu right now. when i check processes kworker was using high cpu and i checked via `powertop` and it seems that acpi using high cpu
[09:16] <ankk> how can i find the true problem
[09:17] <hl_> EriC^^, now usb is not detected while booting
[09:18] <TJ-> ankk: possibly the Sony ACPI implementation is slightly buggy and Linux isn't able to operate correctly with it. There are a lot of ACPI kernel options that might help, but you'd need to do testing with them or search forums, etc., for someone with the same model that's already solved that issue
[09:19] <dionysus69> how to i install many .ttf font files at once?
[09:19] <EriC^^> hl_: ok, type msinfo32 and check what the bios mode says
[09:20] <gagalicious> is there a gui firewall that pops up and inform u that if someone is trying to access ur system through a port like avg?
[09:20] <hl_> EriC^^, sorry, I'm newbie, where should I type this?
[09:20] <mcphail> gagalicious: not sure if Ubuntu has anything quite so annoying! :)
[09:21] <gagalicious> :)
[09:21] <gagalicious> how do i make my Dlink NAS Dns 323 use compressed filesystem?
[09:22] <mcphail> Are you running Ubuntu on your NAS?
[09:22] <TJ-> gagalicious: the most common intrusion detection system is "snort". There may be GUI interfaces to thast
[09:22] <EriC^^> hl_: nevermind, it doesn't seem to work for win7, open this file C:\Windows\Panther\setupact.log and press ctrl+f, and search for the line Detected boot environment
[09:23] <mach20x> So I uninstalled fglrx on my machine and the HDMI still works and it would appear that I am not experiencing the issues I had before.
[09:23] <ubuntu089> Гайс
[09:23] <ubuntu089> Такая проблема
[09:23] <ikonia> !ru | ubuntu089
[09:23] <mcphail> mach20x: the open source radeon drivers are very good for some cards
[09:24] <TJ-> gagalicious: see for example: http://blog.snort.org/2011/10/comparison-of-3-popular-snort-guis.html
[09:24] <mach20x> HDMI never worked on my install of 14.10
[09:25] <mach20x> only after I installed fglrx did it post to my monitor (I installed it after the update to 15.04)
[09:25] <mcphail> aah
[09:26] <mcphail> 3.19 kernel may have helped
[09:28] <mach20x> Probably has, though for the record I will say that it would appear to be working for my two radeon 3600 series graphics cards.
[09:29] <mach20x> is there an output I can dump to provide solid confirmation for development purposes?
[09:32] <javnut> how can I get the old gnome notifications back in precise pangolin?
[09:34] <ikonia> not going to happen
[09:35] <javnut> ikonia: I'm using gnome-flashback, it can happen
[09:36] <javnut> there's tutorials on how to do it, but they're a bit outdated
[09:36] <Jakey2> can someone explain to me what active mq is
[09:36] <Jakey2> ?
[09:37] <asdf_> Every time I boot ubuntu, I have to disable and enable my wired network before it works
[09:38] <k1l_> javnut: the gnome-flashback is just a trimmed down version. it doesnt offer all what gnome2 did offer.
[09:38] <asdf_> I may have changed my /etc/network/interfaces file, but even when I revert to what it was, I still have to do it
[09:38] <asdf_> How do I make sure that my wired connection is working on boot?
[09:40] <BuzzardBuzz> asdf could be flakey hardware issue, you sure it works ok with a boot stick?
[09:41] <mach20x> has anyone posed the idea of creating an option to wishlist apps in the Ubuntu Software Center, or a place where one can view past installed applications?
[09:50] <crazyhorse18> i've just copied my hard drive to a backup drive using rsync, is there anyway i can validate that the copy has been succesfull?
[09:52] <EriC^^> crazyhorse18: rsync does a checksum, you can md5sum if you want
[09:53] <crazyhorse18> hehe, i'm just worried i've just missed files
[09:54] <mcphail> crazyhorse18: rsync is the Chuck Norris of backup tools. If it has missed files, it knows you don't need them :)
[09:56] <mach20x> I'll check to see if the screen freezes tomorrow when I video chat on Hangouts. That has been a little bit of a trouble spot of late. If there are problems I'll report them here.
[09:56] <namerus> ы
[09:57] <namerus> ребята
[10:00] <mach20x> is  Grsync good as well?
[10:25] <TJ-> Ben64: For anyone who wants to test the Trusty fix for bug #1431753 and bug #1268257 https://launchpad.net/~tj/+archive/ubuntu/nvidia
[10:36] <metalice> someone here have hp envy laptop with fingerprint and managed to get it to work?
[10:36] <Mion> metalice: FP readers are horrible, don't use them as your single auth
[10:37] <Mion> metalice: half the time they wont accept valid prints, and the other half you can thrik them with a piece of paper and some spit
[10:37] <metalice> i cant get it to work so its not any auth..
[10:37] <OerHeks> metalice, step 1: check if your FP device is listed here .. https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui
[10:38] <metalice> mine is 138a:0050 and its not listed there :(
[10:39] <OerHeks> metalice, bad luck :-(
[10:39] <metalice> OerHeks: yes indeed.. so no driver yet? or workaround?
[10:40] <OerHeks> malinator, this list is universal for all linux's... so no
[10:40] <TJ-> metalice: If the use case is for security, you should only use a Fingerprint reader for identity *not* authentication. As in, the fingerprint provides the login username not the authentication token
[10:40] <Mion> it is quite bad for identity too
[10:41] <TJ-> Mion: no different to typing a username
[10:41] <Mion> that list is not complete btw
[10:41] <metalice> TJ-: i want to get it work first..
[10:41] <Mion> TJ-: except much less reliable
[10:41]  * Mion have worked on professional FP systems in access control etc
[10:41] <TJ-> metalice: The chipsets for those devices don't get a lot of open-source driver love from their manufacturers
[10:42] <TJ-> many of us have
[10:42] <irondev> Hey guys I am running Ubuntu Desktop 15.04 on my MacBook(Aluminum) 2008 and I just started it up and now the trackpad is not operational
[10:42] <Johnny_Linux> is there am app for open source driver love ??
[10:42] <irondev> A USB mouse works tho
[10:42] <Mion> irondev: kill switch?
[10:42] <irondev> Mion ?
[10:42] <TJ-> Johnny_Linux: yeah... "Linux" :)
[10:43] <metalice> TJ-: so solution is to wait? lol..
[10:43] <Mion> Johnny_Linux: http://arch.har-ikkje.net/gfx/desulove.jpg
[10:43] <Mion> irondev: many laptops have a button to enable/disable touchpads
[10:43] <irondev> Mion Nope
[10:44] <TJ-> metalice: And ignore it. It won't provide any added benefit and might lull you into a false sense of security. I know it is nice to get all the hardware working with Linux but sometimes you have to pass over it :)
[10:44] <OerHeks> metalice, there has been a request since 2013 ... http://home.ullrich-online.cc/fingerprint/Forum/topic.php?TopicId=347
[10:45] <badbodh> linux devs believe fingerprint isn't secure. anyone can chop your thumb off and voila
[10:46] <OerHeks> .. but i use my left ring-finger :-D
[10:46] <metalice> OerHeks: so i wont get too much hope if 2 years already it didnt came out..
[10:46] <jpds> badbodh: Not just linux devs.
[10:46] <irondev> badbodh What about face recognition
[10:46] <freakynl> badbodh: you can lift someones fingerprints from nearly everything they touch
[10:46] <badbodh> password on the other hand has more security layers. a chopped thumb, few chopped fingers, a threat to your kidnapped family, and voila
[10:46] <irondev> freakynl True
[10:47] <irondev> badbodh KonBoot :D
[10:47] <TJ-> badbodh: fingerprints are zero use as an authentication token.. you leave them lying about everywhere...  that's how the cops used to catch burglars
[10:47] <badbodh> devs would rather work on fixing unity than writing a driver for fingerprints.
[10:47] <freakynl> badbodh: not to mention carjacking, that came when cars got alarms that prevented them from starting. If they have no issue killing you in front of a traffic light for your car, do you really want to secure stuff with your bodyparts?... ;)
[10:48] <badbodh> yes.
[10:48] <TJ-> !offtopic
[10:48] <metalice> all of you write *but* its still a nice tool if you dont care from the machine security too much...
[10:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:48] <badbodh> irondev, face recognition :D you watch game of thrones ?
[10:48] <metalice> *right
[10:48] <TJ-> BluesKaj: morning
[10:48] <irondev> badbodh Nope
[10:49] <BluesKaj> 'Morning TJ-
[10:49] <metalice> badbodh: you probably mean the god with many faces.. lol :)
[10:49] <badbodh> yep
[10:50] <irondev> badbodh lol
[10:54] <arcsky> anyone have tested to use ssh to authenticate with Windows AD or windows NPS?
[11:08] <dreamcat5> hi. i'm on 15.04 and would like to run a script / command(s) whenever the wired networking is connected or disconnected (but not the wifi one). how to do that please ?
[11:12] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[11:12] <ShapeShifter499> I really want to run a ubuntu chroot under my arch linux system for the purpose of building for android (I tried building in arch but I could never get touch working on my android device). But I'm confused, chroot or schroot?   is there a reason to use one over the other?
[11:12] <st_d3vil> post-ip post-down in /etc/network/interfaces
[11:12] <st_d3vil> post-up
[11:13] <OerHeks> dreamcat5, use something like : cat /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate  # which should give you " up "  when connected.
[11:13] <lord4163> where do I find a list with snappy packages that I can install?
[11:14] <cfhowlett> !snappy | lord4163
[11:15] <scarey> Ok, ubuntu server straight out of the box. create user using sudo adduser --/home/folder thisuser
[11:16] <scarey> but root cannot see the home directory of the new user in ftp
[11:16] <scarey> anyone active?
[11:17] <neetz> I get this error everytime Processing was halted because there were too many errors. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) , looks like there is some python package reoved from the system
[11:17] <neetz> what nexT ?
[11:17] <NicholasC> It hasn't even been a minute, scarey. Calm down.
[11:19] <ShapeShifter499> I'm guessing schroot adds a user to a chroot so it can be ran without root?
[11:20] <bazhang> !chroot | ShapeShifter499 have a read
[11:20] <neetz> any suggestion ?
[11:21] <k1l_> neetz: can you pastebin the whole output?
[11:21] <k1l_> !paste | neetz
[11:21] <bazhang> neetz, using some PPA?
[11:21] <ShapeShifter499> bazhang: "Install the dchroot and debootstrap packages. "   that cannot be right can it?
[11:21] <k1l_> neetz: and did you change or remove the python packages?
[11:22] <scarey> any thoughts on my root not being able to see users issue?
[11:22] <ShapeShifter499> bazhang: I found that under https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot#Creating_a_chroot     I read somewhere that dchroot was deprecated for schroot
[11:22] <neetz> k1l_:  yes
[11:22] <neetz> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11724293/
[11:22] <neetz> ubottu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11724293/
[11:22] <EriC^^> scarey: are you sure passing --<home> is the way?
[11:22] <EriC^^> adduser --/home/something ?
[11:23] <bazhang> ShapeShifter499, have you tried either; both are in the repos
[11:23] <scarey>  sudo adduser --home /home/folder thisuser
[11:23] <ShapeShifter499> bazhang: I'm not working out of ubuntu, I'm attempting a Arch Linux chroot
[11:23] <scarey> this is the command i used
[11:23] <kuba7447> hello
[11:23] <ShapeShifter499> bazhang: er
[11:24] <ShapeShifter499> bazhang: I mean a ubuntu chroot from inside arch linux
[11:24] <bazhang> ShapeShifter499, no idea sorry
[11:24] <k1l_> neetz: so you changed python?
[11:25] <neetz> k1l_:  i removed python 2.7 ,
[11:25] <scarey> Eric^^: did you catch that?
[11:25] <k1l_> neetz: manually?
[11:25] <neetz> k1l_:  command
[11:25] <edakiri> Where do you search non-free packages via WWW?
[11:25] <k1l_> neetz: details matter. what ubuntu, what did you do exactly? what output? etc etc
[11:25] <EriC^^> scarey: yeah
[11:26] <EriC^^> scarey: seems correct
[11:26] <k1l_> neetz: it sounds like you screwed the whole system with manually removing python 2.7.
[11:26] <edakiri> found it. the package was only named differently than I thought.
[11:26] <EriC^^> scarey: ls -l /home/.. doesn't exist?
[11:27] <neetz> k1l_:  first i removed python 2.7 , thru sudo apt-get auto-remove python  and then I removed bin files inside usr/bin both python and python 2.7 folders
[11:27] <scarey> EriC^^: I dont know what that command means
[11:27] <neetz> k1l_:  ubuntu version 14.04
[11:27] <k1l_> neetz: programs like dpkg rely on python
[11:28] <neetz> k1l_:  i know >_<
[11:28] <neetz> k1l_:  what's the solution now ?
[11:28] <OerHeks> neetz, reinstall ubuntu, as installing software needs python2.7
[11:29] <k1l_> imho, a reinstall is the most clean and fast solution.
[11:29] <ShapeShifter499> bazhang: :/
[11:29] <neetz> k1l_:  I've a lot of data and packages and stuff like configu , some other solution ? like system restore is also a trouble ?
[11:29] <k1l_> could take hours to get a proper working state again and a lot of effort to put manually everything back where it belongs. th
[11:30] <k1l_> well if you have system backups or disk images, revert that, yes.
[11:31] <neetz> k1l_:  does ubuntu create snapshots automatically ?
[11:31] <ikonia> neetz: you asked this earlier as the user Goutham - and where told what you neded to do
[11:31] <k1l_> neetz: no
[11:31] <ikonia> why have you come back asking the same thing again as a different user
[11:31] <neetz> ikonia:  no idea who is GOutham :/
[11:31] <ikonia> neetz: it's you - so lets not play games
[11:32] <neetz> ikonia:  dude , I've no idea what you're talking about , so stop fuckin around , i have so many problems
[11:32] <cfhowlett> neetz, stop the profanity.  now.
[11:33] <OerHeks> neetz/Goutham, anyway, backup your data and reinstall
[11:38] <dreamcat5> st_d3vil: thanks. i have done that now. BTW it seems (in 15.04) there is only 'if-up.d/', no 'if-post-up.d/'
[11:39] <st_d3vil> welcome, may be
[11:41] <dreamcat5> st_d3vil: clearly i'm plugging-unplugging right now to test it. it works :) just had to move the script in if-up.d/ folder
[11:41] <foofoobar> Hi. For testing I want to enable password auth for my sshd again. I set „PasswordAuthentication yes“ in my sshd_config and then tried to connect by: ssh -o PreferredAuthentications=keyboard-interactive -o PubkeyAuthentication=no user@host
[11:41] <foofoobar> But when connecting I get: Permission denied (publickey,password).
[11:42] <TJ-> foofoobar: did you restart the sshd first?
[11:42] <foofoobar> TJ-: ofc. sudo service ssh restart
[11:43] <TJ-> foofoobar: is there anything in the target user's ~/.ssh/config to prevent it?
[11:44] <foofoobar> TJ-: no config file in the user’s .ssh folder.
[11:45] <foofoobar> When connecting with -v I get: debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password; debug1: No more authentication methods to try.; Permission denied (publickey,password).
[11:45] <foofoobar> So it looks like „password“ is a valid auth method, why is this not used?
[11:46] <TJ-> foofoobar: any clues in the sshd log file?
[11:46] <foofoobar> TJ-: Is there a separate log file for the sshd?
[11:48] <foofoobar> TJ-: There is a „sshd[19116]: error: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ed25519_key“, but this entry does also appear when connecting by pubkey.
[11:52] <foofoobar> TJ-: It’s a wrong ssh command to connect...
[11:52] <foofoobar> „keyboard-interfactive“ should be „password"
[12:04] <austin4315> Hey guys! I need help for configuring the x11vnc server on my machine running Ubuntu GNOME 15.04
[12:04] <austin4315> According to the x11vnc faq: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/faq.html#faq-gone-lock I can lock my screen after my session completes
[12:04] <austin4315> However, how do I configure it to work on gnome?
[12:08] <rpdaly> join #stench
[12:10] <DreamPCs> Hey guys, hopefully a quick question. How can I assign a  internal domain for a local machine? For instance, my desktop is running Fedora and I can get to it over the network by pointing to fedoradesktop.local (i.e. ssh fedoradesktop.local)
[12:11] <ikonia> try asking in #fedora ?
[12:11] <DreamPCs> I have an Ubuntu machine running as an HTPC, how can I assign a domain to that? (Preferably htpc.local)
[12:11] <ikonia> or have I miss-understood
[12:11] <ikonia> you do that via the resolver
[12:12] <ikonia> so either DNS/Ldap/Hostfiles
[12:12] <DreamPCs> ikonia: I'm just trying to emulate what I've seen done in an Fedora install but I want to do it to an ubuntu installation
[12:12] <mcphail> DreamPCs: that is provided by avahi. Is it running on your htpc?
[12:12] <ikonia> you need name resolution
[12:12] <ikonia> how does avahi impact name resolution ?
[12:12] <DreamPCs> mcphail: Don't know, checking now
[12:13] <DreamPCs> It's installed but I don't think it's running
[12:13] <DreamPCs> (headless btw most things are done via ssh)
[12:14] <DreamPCs> but I will say this, my desktop machine doesn't have avahi installed and this one can be reached at fedoradesktop.local
[12:14] <mcphail> DreamPCs: usually runs automatically, and resolves to "hostname.local", so just set your hostname to whatever you want
[12:15] <DreamPCs> mcphail: my host name is already set to "HTPC"
[12:15] <DreamPCs> ikona: could you possibly be a little more specific?
[12:15] <mcphail> DreamPCs: and HTPC.local doesn't resolve?
[12:15] <DreamPCs> mcphail that thought just popped into my head, I'll check
[12:16] <ikonia> DreamPCs: sorry, which part is not clear
[12:16] <ikonia> mcphail: how does avahi impact name resolution ?
[12:16] <DreamPCs> ikonia: No worries, I think we got it
[12:16] <DreamPCs> mcphail: It does resolve! lol I should have checked that.
[12:16] <TJ-> ikonia: avahi does mDNS
[12:16] <Isai> Hi, I was installing Ubuntu 15.04 in a VM but Ubuntu doesn't recognize my keyboard. I try to type but Ubuntu doesn't do anything.
[12:16] <DreamPCs> I don't think my ssh key is working though, still asking for a password.
[12:17] <mcphail> DreamPCs: ha!
[12:17] <DreamPCs> Isai: what virtualization software are you using?
[12:17] <mcphail> ikonia: avahi is the linux equivalent of bonjour etc
[12:17] <Isai> DreamPCs: VMware Player
[12:17] <ikonia> yeah, so it's not actually doing any name resolution, it's broadcase response ?
[12:17] <Isai> on Windows Server
[12:18] <mcphail> ikonia: to my tiny brain it is doing name resolution :)
[12:18] <DreamPCs> mcphail: I got it working including the ssh keys, thanks for your help and you also ikonia
[12:18] <mcphail> DreamPCs: np. enjoy
[12:18] <TJ-> ikonia: avahi m-DNS does name resolution. See http://www.multicastdns.org/
[12:18] <DreamPCs> Isai, does your mouse work in the virtual machine? And is the keyboard a standard usb keyboard?
[12:19] <ikonia> TJ-: yes, thats basically broadcast response
[12:19] <ikonia> which makes sense
[12:19] <mcphail> ikonia: I don't claim to understand it, but know it works
[12:19] <ikonia> mcphail: no, it' useful for me too, I've not done much with it
[12:19] <Isai> DreamPCs: the mouse works perfectly, I'm RDP'ing into my Windows Server from my phone (it isn't my phone, I can type on Notepad perfectly)
[12:20] <DreamPCs> Ok so let me get this straight: You are using a virtual machine hosted on a Windows server being accessed by RDP from a mobile device?
[12:21] <DreamPCs> There's a lot of jumps here, do you have physical access to the Windows server?
[12:21] <berz3rk1> Why did development stop on Ubuntu Next http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/ ?
[12:22] <Isai> DreamPCs: no, it's a server in Canada
[12:22] <Isai> I've tried using the "On-screen Keyboard" but that also fails
[12:23] <DreamPCs> Isai: I don't know for certain but I would imagine is has something to do with going over the RDP. Can you install any other screen sharing software like VNC?
[12:23] <DreamPCs>  (On the server)
[12:23] <Isai> I've also tried that
[12:23] <DreamPCs> hmmm
[12:23] <Isai> I'm stuck on the installation (as I can't type)
[12:24] <DreamPCs> When you said you tried the on screen keyboard, are you referring to the Windows on screen keyboard or the one in Ubuntu?
[12:24] <Isai> DreamPCs: on Windows
[12:24] <DreamPCs> Try the on screen keyboard in Ubuntu
[12:25] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, is has not stopped, fresh image 2 days old >> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/20150614/
[12:25] <DreamPCs> I don't know if vmware even detects keys from Windows on screen keyboard
[12:25] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: its not very usable right
[12:25] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, err, wrong url, this one >> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-preinstalled/20150615/
[12:25] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: can I run X11 applications
[12:26] <Isai> DreamPCs: How can I access the on-screen keyboard on Ubuntu (as I said, I'm stuck on the Ubuntu installation because I can't type)?
[12:26] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, is is just an impression, to run live. not to install.
[12:26] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: but i can install 15.10 right
[12:26] <berz3rk1> normal ubuntu development is so boring for the years already ;(
[12:26] <DreamPCs> Isai: I'm assuming your using some type of live media (lve usb image?) from Ubuntu, if so just boot into the live system and install from there
[12:26] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, sure, upgrade to the -d development version.
[12:26] <berz3rk1> the normal ubuntu interface didnt change for years
[12:27] <DreamPCs> If your mouse works, once you boot into the live system you should be able to open the on screen keyboard
[12:27] <Isai> Ah, I see.
[12:27] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, "didn't change for years"  .. really?
[12:27] <berz3rk1> yes
[12:27] <DreamPCs> And I did a quick google search for "vm on screen keyboard" and most of the links I see talk about vmware, try using something like virtualbox
[12:27] <berz3rk1> unity 8 gets all the new stuff, but unity 7 comes with 15.10 .. so sad
[12:28] <berz3rk1> unity 7 is several years old and has no new features
[12:28] <Isai> DreamPCs: Thanks! Looks like it's a VMware error.
[12:28] <DreamPCs> Let us know how it works out.
[12:28] <TJ-> berz3rk1: That's really the point of moving on to version 8... that's where development continues
[12:29] <muh2000> hm
[12:29] <muh2000> i cannot get nvidia driver loaded. what can i do?
[12:29] <berz3rk1> TJ-: but its not ready yet..
[12:29]  * DreamPCs has to use the restroom, brb.
[12:30] <muh2000> same issue with nouveau :(
[12:30] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: but what if i want to install it
[12:30] <muh2000> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nouveau': Invalid argument
[12:30] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, nobody said unity 8 is ready :-D
[12:30] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: what am i supposed to do with this tar gz file
[12:30] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, step 1: join #ubuntu+1 for 15.10/unity-8, as we do not support it untill release.
[12:31] <berz3rk1> im there
[12:31] <OerHeks> well, have fun
[12:31] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: ?
[12:33] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, there are only iso's on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/20150614/
[12:33] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: Ubuntu gnome is something competly different..
[12:35] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, oh, then you have to use the one you had already.
[12:40] <fyuza21> how to change key config for nautilus for recent versions? editing the accels file does not seem to do the trick anymore
[12:41] <austin4315> yo ikonia its me, austin
[12:41] <austin4315> I need help for configuring the x11vnc server on my machine running Ubuntu GNOME 15.04
[12:41] <austin4315> According to the x11vnc faq: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/faq.html#faq-gone-lock I can lock my screen after my session completes
[12:41] <austin4315> However, how do I configure it to work on gnome?
[12:58] <kkfwefe> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/sRCP6qLvTs2hmINfaGos
[13:04] <heipa> hi folks I have used logical vol management soft to reduce size of lvm, now I have free space which I want to use to make ntfs vol
[13:04] <heipa> how can I do it?
[13:06] <kappa1> Anyone knows a good application for ubuntu to edit PDFs? (basically text)
[13:06] <kappa1> I just want to fill in text in some forms
[13:07] <bazhang> !info pdftk
[13:07] <bazhang> kappa1, ^
[13:08] <kappa1> bazhang, are you sure I can write text on PDFs with that tool?
[13:08] <kappa1> It seems that its purpose is just to merge and split pdfs
[13:08] <bazhang> kappa1, try it
[13:09] <kappa1> bazhang, but it is command line based right?
[13:10] <OerHeks> pdf editting on comandline, that is new for me
[13:10] <bazhang> kappa1, apt-cache search pdf for other options
[13:10] <kappa1> ok
[13:12] <xrfang> hello, when I use sshfs or curlftpfs to mount a remote url to local folder, the mounted directory automatically belongs to root, so that I cannot write into it unless using sudo.  How to prevent this? thanks
[13:20] <YamakasY> anyone a clue why a ppa is ignored when I'm asking for a policy on a package ?
[13:21] <OerHeks> YamakasY, on what ubuntu version, and what ppa?
[13:26] <moses> My computer had a shut down error ive never seen last night. Any commands to repair that?
[13:27] <chegney> where can I find what upstart termination status numbers mean?
[13:27] <chegney> I have a post-stop script that terminated with status 2
[13:27] <chegney> dmesg doesn't give any more information than that
[13:29] <OerHeks> moses, hard to say, without error details.. check .xsessions-errors or /var/log/kern.log
[13:29] <infolinux> Hi All, I have just upgrade apache from 2.2 to 2.4. But I need mod-jk module. If i install it with apt libapache2-mod-jk. It needs dependency: apache2.2-common
[13:30] <infolinux> Anybody advise to get the correct mod-jk?
[13:30] <infolinux> Ubuntu version: 12.04
[13:30] <YamakasY> OerHeks: trusty https://launchpad.net/~sssd/+archive/ubuntu/updates
[13:31] <chotaz`w> Hey guys, my ubuntu box is freezing from time to time and I'm not being able to figure out what causes this. I think it fires a kernel panic somehow upon not having more available memory, because all I can do when it freezes is REISUB. What could I do to figure out whats causing this to my system?
[13:31] <OerHeks> YamakasY, and what ubuntu version ?
[13:32] <YamakasY> OerHeks: as I said, trusty
[13:33] <chegney> where can I find what upstart termination status numbers mean? I have a post-stop script that terminated with status 2 in dmesg, but I have no more information than that
[13:34] <OerHeks> YamakasY, and what package were you looking for?
[13:34] <YamakasY> sssd
[13:34] <YamakasY> OerHeks: it should work, but I still get 1.11 instead of 1..12
[13:35] <OerHeks> YamakasY, hmm odd, did you add that PPA recently, and did you update ??
[13:35] <k1l> YamakasY: "sudo apt update"
[13:35] <k1l> YamakasY: and after that please show a "apt-cache policy sssd" in a pastebin
[13:36] <OerHeks> infolinux, how did you update apache to the trusty version??
[13:36] <OerHeks> infolinux, you might better upgrade to 14.04....
[13:36] <infolinux> Yes that´s not a option
[13:37] <OerHeks> infolinux, well, upgrading outside the supported repos can give you these headaches...
[13:38] <infolinux> OerHeks: I have enabled this repo: ppa:ondrej/php5
[13:40] <YamakasY> k1l: as I said, only the default is shown
[13:40] <YamakasY> I even pinned it a higher number
[13:40] <YamakasY> OerHeks: sure I did
[13:41] <OerHeks> infolinux, contact that maintainer, to put libapache2-mod-jk in it? nothing much we can do about that
[13:42] <IrfanAlam> How to installl ffmpeg ?
[13:42] <infolinux> OerHeks: ok, that makes sense
[13:42] <infolinux> thx
[13:43] <OerHeks> infolinux, grabbing the trusty version can get into other issues, i am afraid .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapache-mod-jk
[13:43] <infolinux> Going to manually install it
[13:45] <YamakasY> so it's weird it isn't showed at all
[13:46] <k1l> !paste | YamakasY
[13:47] <YamakasY> k1l: I only see the default repository in there, I know what it should show, both and a pin
[13:48] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, up to 14.10 ffmpeg was replaced with avconv, due to security issues. as of 15.04 ffmpeg is back
[13:48] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: how to install avconv?
[13:48] <YamakasY> OerHeks: ffmpeg is in 14.04 if you ask me
[13:49] <k1l> YamakasY: ok, then make sure the ppa is setup right and its working. but dont ask how to do since you refuse to show requested infos.
[13:49] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, softwarecenter? take a read about it http://askubuntu.com/questions/432542/is-ffmpeg-missing-from-the-official-repositories-in-14-04
[13:50] <YamakasY> k1l: you want to see unrelated stuff, no show is no show... it's setup OK and it's hit during an update... but not for the package
[13:50] <YamakasY> OerHeks: I have ffmpeg in my manifests and it installs great
[13:50] <OerHeks> YamakasY, that is just a dummy package, pointing to avconv
[13:50] <YamakasY> on 14.04
[13:50] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks :I have to install it on my webserver !
[13:50] <k1l> YamakasY: its not unrelated. but your call. but dont expect others to help you if you play that game
[13:50] <YamakasY> OerHeks: but doing the same with the same commands ?
[13:51] <YamakasY> k1l: I don't play a game, nothing is more shown than default... it's like asking for a testdrive of a car you already own
[13:51] <k1l> *sigh*
[13:51] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, i think you need to install the metapackage  libav-tools
[13:51] <Dr_ST> hi folks
[13:52] <Dr_ST> I'm encountering a problem to backport mod_wsgi in lucid with python2.7...
[13:52] <IrfanAlam>  OerHeks: how ?
[13:52] <k1l> and there is _no_ ffmpeg in 14.04. that is just a false information.
[13:52] <Dr_ST>  /python2.7.10/lib/libpython2.7.a(abstract.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata.str1.8' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[13:52] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, sudo apt-get install <package>
[13:53] <genii> !info ffmpeg trusty
[13:53] <IrfanAlam> which package ?
[13:53] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: which package ?
[13:53] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, why do i have to repeat ..
[13:54] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: I am very new to Linux... Please give me the direct command
[13:55] <OerHeks> libav-tools
[13:55] <k1l> IrfanAlam: install "libav-tools" with any package manager you like
[13:55] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: just give me the command to enter into ssh...
[13:55] <Semiarty> he just did
[13:55] <Semiarty> man
[13:55] <Semiarty> [16:52:44] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, sudo apt-get install <package>
[13:56] <Semiarty> sudo apt-get install libav-tools, you can't ask for more
[13:57] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: Semiarty: sudo apt-get install <package> -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[13:58] <k1l> IrfanAlam: come on. dont be a baby that needs spoonfeeding. you need to replace <package> with the actual package name you want to install.
[13:58] <juergen_> hi
[14:00] <IrfanAlam> sudo apt-get install avconv Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package avconv
[14:00] <k1l> IrfanAlam: stop
[14:00] <Semiarty> :|
[14:01] <IrfanAlam> k1l: E: Unable to locate package avconv
[14:01] <BluesKaj> IrfanAlam,  libav-tools and ffmpeg perhaps
[14:01] <Semiarty> is there a way to find out external IP of my ubuntu server? in terminal obviously
[14:01] <k1l> IrfanAlam: we have told you already 3 times the right package name in this channel: <k1l> IrfanAlam: install "libav-tools" with any package manager you like.  and Semiarty even gave you the whole line you need to put into a cli. please think before you ruin your whole system because of blindly putting commands there
[14:02] <YamakasY> fixed
[14:03] <zykotick9> Semiarty: w3m (text broswer) goto google.com, and search for "whats my ip", at the top of the results google will display it <- one option
[14:03] <OerHeks> Semiarty, wget -qO- icanhazip.com
[14:04] <IrfanAlam> k1l: I installed libav-tools still I am getting same error
[14:04] <TvFred> Hi all, new here.  How can I start chromium-browser automatically in kiosk mode as root after LXDE starts ??
[14:04] <k1l> IrfanAlam: which error?
[14:05] <k1l> TvFred: are you sure about the "as root" part?
[14:05] <IrfanAlam> E: Unable to locate package avconv
[14:05] <k1l> IrfanAlam: from which command?
[14:05] <IrfanAlam> k1l:apt-get install avconv
[14:05] <OerHeks> TvFred, browser as root, in kiosk mode is bad.
[14:05] <Semiarty> thanks zykotick9, OerHeks
[14:05] <k1l> IrfanAlam: that command is useless since there is no avconv package
[14:06] <Guest1976> Hi $Ubuntu! Trying this guide: http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/UbuntuKVMWalkthrough. But when I execute the virt-install (3d cmd)it fails because apparmor denies a method call... Anyone know how to resolve this?
[14:06] <IrfanAlam> k1l: OerHeks told me to install avconv
[14:06] <fyuza21> how to change key config for nautilus for recent versions? editing the accels file does not seem to do the trick anymore
[14:07] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, avconv <>  libav-tools
[14:07] <TvFred> k1l: it's a touchscreen device with webpages pointing to localhost in which some scripts should be ran as root (not a networked unit)
[14:07] <k1l> IrfanAlam: the program is called avconv. but the package in ubuntu is called libav-tools.
[14:08] <juergen_> aha
[14:09] <chotaz`w> Hey guys, my ubuntu box is freezing from time to time and I'm not being able to figure out what causes this. I think it fires a kernel panic somehow upon not having more available memory, because all I can do when it freezes is REISUB.What system log or tools would be helpful into finding what's really causing my system to hang? I'm completely blank here
[14:09] <IrfanAlam> k1l: I installed libav-tools, still it is showing Command line program avconv or ffmpeg not available
[14:10] <k1l> IrfanAlam: what command exactly?
[14:10] <sen_> hi friends
[14:10] <IrfanAlam> k1l: see this and solve all the No problems
[14:10] <IrfanAlam> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/nhcefiles.com/web/_h5ai/
[14:11] <TvFred> just tried to insert  chromium-browser --user-data-dir --kiosk &  into /etc/rc.local but it is executed before LXDE , in fact if I recall /etc/rc.local from LXDE terminal all is working ok
[14:11] <juergen_> IrfanAlam: hi
[14:11] <IrfanAlam> juergen_:hi
[14:13] <k1l> IrfanAlam: its hard to help you if we dont know what you actually do there and what program requests avconv or ffmpeg.
[14:13] <tobis> hello everyone
[14:14] <wad> So I had something working previously, then I had to reboot, and so I set it up again, just the way it was before, but it no longer works. Been hammering on it for half an hour, and still nothing. Maybe one of you guys can give ma clue what I'm doing wrong.
[14:15] <wad> I've got a cron job that runs a script that ssh's to some other machines.
[14:15] <tobis> I have an issue with a corrupted PAM lib, and I'm unable to log on my server, any ideas to fix this ?
[14:15] <kalib> Hello guys, since yesterday one of my machines was running ubuntu 14.10. Well, working fine. But after upgrading it to ubuntu 15.04, it started to get very hot. My processor seems to be working all the time in max speed. I have that intel new technology (turbo booster).
[14:16] <kalib> Is anything known about it? About ubuntu using the max speed and turbo booster? It shouldn´t be automatic? Use less when we don´t need it in max speed?
[14:16] <wad> So it needs my keys in the agent. So to do that, I kill any running ssh-agent, then launch it again with "ssh-agent -s > file.foo". Then I add my keys to the running agent with "ssh-add". I see them with "ssh-add -l". My script (run via cron) sources file.foo first thing. THIS WAS WORKING THIS MORNING, but no longer. What's wrong with me?
[14:17] <k1l> kalib: see in system settings > updates and addition software > last tab "prop. drivers" if the intel microcode is activated
[14:17] <kalib> k1l, I will... can´t check it now, because I´m at work and my machine is at home. But I will, thanks for the tip.
[14:19] <PretreSLT> hi guys
[14:22] <tobis> I have an issue with a corrupted PAM lib, and I'm unable to log on my server, any ideas to fix this ?
[14:24] <PretreSLT> Cannot add new user through the User Accounts interface, it's unlock(ed) + button grey out, and cannot do anything from there. This is a GUI related question btw ;-) Thanks.
[14:25] <VastRiver> #linuxba
[14:29] <ricard> It is very noticeable on the computer have to be ram 1400MHz 1600mhz ram
[14:29] <wad> Ah, I figured out what I was doing wrong.
[14:46] <IrfanAlam_> jellow: are you there ?
[14:48] <IrfanAlam_> how to send message to specific people in IRC ?
[14:48] <jellow> IrfanAlam_ hi
[14:48] <somsip> IrfanAlam_: /msg jellow are you there
[14:49] <jellow> IrfanAlam_ what version ubuntu you running?
[14:49] <IrfanAlam_> jellow: 14.04
[14:49] <jellow>   IrfanAlam_ better to get support on main channel as other can help.
[14:50] <IrfanAlam_> somsip: hi , you helped me some day ago
[14:51] <jellow> IrfanAlam_: can you install libav ( sudo apt-get install libav)
[14:51] <IrfanAlam_> jellow: apt-get install libav Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package libav
[14:52] <jellow> IrfanAlam_  figured its libav-tools but you've already installed it.
[14:52] <IrfanAlam_> jellow: so what to do now ?
[14:53] <Semiarty> what do you want to do IrfanAlam_ ?
[14:53] <jellow> IrfanAlam_:  does this return anything ? whereis avconv
[14:54] <IrfanAlam_> jellow: avconv: /usr/bin/avconv /usr/share/avconv /usr/share/man/man1/avconv.1.gz
[14:54] <IrfanAlam_> Semiary: I have to install ffmpeg
[14:55] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  no, simply use avconv
[14:55] <IrfanAlam_> Semiarty: I have to install ffmpeg
[14:55] <IrfanAlam_> MonkeyDust: how ?
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  in a terminal, type avconv ... or use winff, a nice gui tool
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> !info winff
[14:57] <IrfanAlam_> MonkeyDust: On webserver
[14:59] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  sudo apt-get install libav-tools
[14:59] <Semiarty> MonkeyDust he has been told to do that countless times today
[15:00] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  what happens when you install libav-tools?
[15:00] <IrfanAlam_> It got successfully installed
[15:01] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  great, now, in a terminal, type avconv
[15:01] <tyteen4a03> Hi, I just got a "Timed out waiting for dev-disk-by-id 5baf3c76-ad4f-4888-a792-5859aba6c7cf to load" when booting up. It is a encrypted RAID10 drive and all cables are connected correctly; I don't know what's the problem
[15:17] <IrfanAlam_> anyone there ??
[15:18] <lapion> Yes
[15:18] <lapion> I am somewhere that could be called there, of course it depends where you meant with there.
[15:19] <pbx> IrfanAlam_, just go ahead and ask your question
[15:21] <mibit> hello
[15:21] <mibit> I have a question that maybe someone can help with
[15:21] <neewubee> do ask!
[15:22] <mibit> I am looking to install Ubuntu onto an external USB 3.0 hard disk drive.  I want to boot my system from this external drive.  I've successfully installed Ubuntu onto this drive.  But I can't boot the system.  The computer doesn't see this drive.
[15:23] <mibit> This is unusual because I first did a test by installing Win7 onto a USB stick, and then installed Tails on a USB stick.  I was aable to boot the computer from a USB stick using these systems.  But once I use an external drive with a USB cable, it doesn't work.
[15:23] <mibit> So I think that I am missing a step.  Any idea?
[15:24] <mibit> I know that when I installed Win7 onto the USB stick, I had to prep the stick with a program (I forget the name of it right now.
[15:25] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  typed avconv? problem solved?
[15:25] <IrfanAlam_> it webserver
[15:25] <IrfanAlam_> its a webserver
[15:25] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  yes, what happens when you type avconv
[15:25] <IrfanAlam_> avconv version 9.18-6:9.18-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>, Copyright (c) 2000-2014 the Libav developers   built on Mar 16 2015 13:20:58 with gcc 4.8 (Ubuntu 4.8.2-19ubuntu1) Hyper fast Audio and Video encoder usage: avconv [options] [[infile options] -i infile]... {[outfile options] outfile}...  Use -h to get full help or, even better, run 'man avconv'
[15:26] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  voilÃa, that's all, type avconv -h to learn how to use it
[15:26] <csb> mibit, Are you able to select the USB drive from the bios boot menu?
[15:27] <IrfanAlam_> MonkeyDust: still it is showing that it is not availablem
[15:28] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  what is the exact error mesaage? use a pastebin for multiple lines
[15:28] <mibit> CSB, no it is not listed.  But what I was able to do in the part is select the USB stick from the boot menu when the system starts
[15:31] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  keep it in the channel please
[15:32] <IrfanAlam> MonkeyDust: are you there ?
[15:32] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  i'm here, so, what happens when you type avconv -h
[15:34] <IrfanAlam> http://pastebin.com/zqXVvPD8
[15:35] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  ok, looks like the problem is solved... now get familiar with avconv
[15:36] <IrfanAlam> still the same error is showing
[15:36] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  pastebin the error please
[15:36] <IrfanAlam> MonkeyDust: can you message me ? I will let you know in that...
[15:37] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  no, keep it in the channel, no need for pm
[15:38] <IrfanAlam> I will tell you my website link
[15:39] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  please, i'm losing patience, paste the link here
[15:39] <IrfanAlam> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/nhcefiles.com/web/_h5ai/
[15:40] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  it needs a password
[15:40] <IrfanAlam> empty, just need login
[15:41] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  ok, now what's the problem
[15:41] <IrfanAlam> solve all the NO problems
[15:44] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  looks like a webdesign error or so, not sure how to integrate bash command into html
[15:44] <k1l> IrfanAlam: best is to ask the h5ai guys that they are looking for the wrong stuff for avconv
[15:44] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  it's not ubuntu related
[15:45] <boodllebat__> is it possible to use both key and password authentication ? like key comes first if key is there then password authentication ?
[15:46] <chotaz`w> Hey guys, my ubuntu box is freezing from time to time and I'm not being able to figure out what causes this. I think it fires a kernel panic(?) because all I can do when it freezes is REISUB.What system log or tools would be helpful into finding what's really causing my system to hang? I'm completely blank here, but I've already ran a memtest to make sure my memory hasn't any big issues.
[15:49] <jayjo> with crontab, can I say just run every two hours? How do i do that?
[15:49] <polyzium> hey guys
[15:49] <jayjo> I know how to do every day at 10 am etc
[15:49] <polyzium> where grub2 config is located?
[15:50] <jayjo> would I just do * for days (all), and then */2?
[15:50] <jayjo> Is that every 2
[15:50] <Pici> jayjo: yes. See man 5 crontab
[15:51] <polyzium> where grub2 config is located?
[15:51] <EriC^^> polyzium: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[15:51] <polyzium> but it says do not edit this file
[15:52] <EriC^^> what are you trying to do?
[15:52] <k1l> polyzium: the changes are made in other files. like the running scripts or the default file.
[15:52] <k1l> polyzium: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[15:53] <polyzium> EriC^^, i deleted my old linux partition and expanded my new one. after expanding i rebooted my computer and grub says no such partition
[15:53] <EriC^^> polyzium: are you in a live usb right now?
[15:53] <polyzium> yup
[15:53] <polyzium> bootrepair again?
[15:54] <polyzium> i just need to change the partition to sda6
[15:54] <EriC^^> no, follow this guide from step 6 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot
[15:54] <Heather3Ever> hello
[15:54] <Semiarty> I dont get it, I am trying to create private/public keys, I created it and then copied the public key to the remote server and placed it in /.ssh/ and renamed to authorized_keys, however when I try to connect to that remote server I get enquired for passphrase everytime, what I am doing wrong?
[15:55] <EriC^^> Semiarty: what's the permissions of the file?
[15:55] <Semiarty> on the remote server?
[15:55] <EriC^^> yes
[15:55] <polyzium> omg this is so complex
[15:56] <Pinkamena_D> So today I woke up my laptop after undokcing it and the screen was black (no power to it), but the hdd light blinked a few times and the lock lights still worked - I think that the screen was just not correctly resumed after the undocking but the kernal was still running. It where any kind of keyboard short I can make which will re-initialize the display in this case so I do not have to do a hard reboot?
[15:56] <EriC^^> polyzium: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:56] <Semiarty> rw
[15:56] <EriC^^> rw-------- ?
[15:56] <Semiarty> -rw-------
[15:57] <EriC^^> ok
[15:57] <EriC^^> who owns the file?
[15:57] <Semiarty> I do?
[15:57] <EriC^^> k
[15:58] <boodllebat> Hello i have already public-key authetication i want like this if user logins with key successfully he should be asked for a key
[15:58] <Heather3Ever> http://puu.sh/ir4YU/e731810bfd.jpg
[15:58] <enterprisey> Heather3Ever: /r/riskyclicks is thataway
[15:59] <mj_> Quick question: how can I join the official Ubuntu phone mailing list?
[15:59] <Semiarty> so EriC^^? anything to add?
[16:00] <OerHeks> mj_, join #ubuntu-touch please. the topic has all info
[16:00] <mj_> ok thank
[16:00] <EriC^^> Semiarty: what's the permissions of ~/.ssh
[16:01] <mj_> just to let you know, please feel free to join our fb community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/iuseubuntu
[16:01] <Semiarty> it just shows the list of files in that folder
[16:01] <ikonia> mj_: please dont spam that
[16:01] <EriC^^> Semiarty: type ls -ld ~/.ssh
[16:02] <Semiarty> drwx------
[16:02] <EriC^^> ok, try ssh -vvv to get more info
[16:03] <Semiarty> it says you ahve to specify host and then a variety of options
[16:03] <Semiarty> I guess I have to check the host of the remote server of interest?
[16:03] <EriC^^> ssh -vvv user@host
[16:03] <Semiarty> when I do I have a huge list of lines with debugX (where X 1 2 3 ... )
[16:04] <Gargoyle> Does any part of Ubuntu (or Linux, generally) have anything like common services that all applications can call upon via libraries/APIs for managing things like AddressBook Contacts, etc?
[16:04] <OerHeks> Semiarty, after editting, did you restart ssh ?
[16:04] <Semiarty> well, I did not restart my own server if that's what you're refering to
[16:05] <Semiarty> what should I see EriC^^?
[16:06] <bstarek> Semiarty, sudo service ssh restart
[16:06] <EriC^^> Semiarty: paste the output in paste.ubuntu.com
[16:07] <OerHeks> bstarek, could be one of these 2: sudo service ssh restart / systemctl restart sshd.service (15.04/systemD)
[16:08] <Semiarty> the thing is, that I had it working, but when there was no passphrase (I just clicked enter each time I was asked for it)
[16:08] <bstarek> OerHeks, sorry, true, i am still doing it the old way
[16:08] <Semiarty> but then I decided get one
[16:08] <Semiarty> and then it stopped working properly
[16:08] <Heather3Ever> http://puu.sh/ir673/1aa0cd3832.jpg
[16:09] <OerHeks> Heather3Ever, should we click that and why ?
[16:10] <bstarek> OerHeks, i am systemED yet =)
[16:10] <bstarek> NOT
[16:10] <OerHeks> bstarek, no problem, just saying, and as a reminder of those reading us
[16:11] <bstarek> OerHeks, you are right.
[16:11] <OerHeks> c/of-to
[16:12] <Semiarty> OerHeks I just created a new publc/private key to try and again did not use any passphrase and now I did not have to type in the password to the remote server
[16:12] <Semiarty> zz
[16:13] <OerHeks> Semiarty, nice, have fun!
[16:14] <Semiarty> well, the point is that its not what I want
[16:14] <Semiarty> I want one working with passphrase :|
[16:14] <OerHeks> err pass + keys ?
[16:16] <EriC^^> Semiarty: you have to set that up when you make the keys i think
[16:16] <EriC^^> it asks you for a passphrase when you type ssh-keygen
[16:16] <bstarek> would "update-rc.d johdone defaults" still work with systemd?
[16:17] <Semiarty> yes, EriC^^, so that was my problem
[16:17] <Semiarty> when I did in fact include a passphrase, it wouldn't work properly and I would ask for that prhase everytime I connected to a remote server
[16:17] <Semiarty> when I left it empty (just clicked enter) - it works
[16:17] <OerHeks> In Fedora you can use "RequiredAuthentications2 pubkey,password " not sure this is available for debian/ubuntu too ....
[16:17] <EriC^^> that's what the passphrase is, it's normal
[16:18] <Semiarty> oh
[16:18] <Semiarty> I see
[16:18] <Semiarty> so I just misunderstood the concept
[16:18] <EriC^^> it unlocks the keys so you can use them, in case your laptop gets stolen so nobody can ssh in and you have enough time to change the keys
[16:19] <Semiarty> does the public key has to be named authorized_keys? or it can be any other name?
[16:19] <Semiarty> always*
[16:19] <IrfanAlam> how to install command line
[16:19] <EriC^^> i think it has to be authorized_keys , and it has strict permissions too
[16:20] <myndzi> where does the result of crontab -e go?
[16:20] <ikonia> what do you mean where does it go
[16:20] <EriC^^> myndzi: /var/spool/cron/......
[16:20] <myndzi> i mean, when i run 'crontab -e' i get an editor
[16:20] <myndzi> i put some things in the editor
[16:20] <myndzi> and it says "installing crontab"
[16:20] <ikonia> correct
[16:20] <myndzi> where do the things i typed wind up?
[16:21] <myndzi> since they don't seem to have run and i can't seem to find them
[16:21] <ikonia> it is a syntax specific editor
[16:21] <ikonia> why don't you give us an example of one of your entries
[16:21] <ikonia> rather than trying to fight how cron works
[16:21] <myndzi> the output, i mean, the result; what does the editor do with them
[16:21] <ikonia> lets fix your problem
[16:21] <OerHeks> Semiarty, also there is an excellent wiki about ssh https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[16:21] <IrfanAlam> Eric^^: how to install command line
[16:21] <EriC^^> myndzi: the editor saves them in /var/spool/cron/..... but that's irrelevant to your problem i think
[16:21] <myndzi> i mean after that
[16:22] <myndzi> crontab takes that file and puts it somewhere yes?
[16:22] <ikonia> myndzi: lets see one of your failing jobs
[16:22] <myndzi> (that directory doesn't have anything)
[16:22] <ikonia> myndzi: show us one of your problem jobs
[16:22] <EriC^^> cron runs them, if you want to see if it ran check /var/log/syslog
[16:22] <t0by> Don't know if this is the right channel, but I am running Ubuntu 14.04 on a Thinkpad T400, it's a P8600. Now, it's sluggish. I have 8GB RAM, but it's sluggish. The disk seems to be thrashing a lot. Do you think an SSD would be an improvement?
[16:22] <myndzi> 01 2 * * * myndzi cd /home/myndzi/dailyscrape && ./scrape
[16:22] <ikonia> myndzi: so thats not going to work
[16:22] <gambl0re> is it ok to have more than one package manager? for example i already have rpm but i need to install npm. is this gonna be an issue?
[16:22] <myndzi> i mean, it's a simple question; presumably when it gets "installed" it gets installed somewhere i can look at
[16:22] <EriC^^> first you don't put your username there
[16:22] <ikonia> as you don't have a full path to ./scrape
[16:22] <EriC^^> that's just for /etc/crontab
[16:22] <myndzi> that's what the cd is for, the script wants a cwd
[16:22] <t0by> gambl0re, yes and no.
[16:23] <ikonia> myndzi: you don't change directory
[16:23] <ikonia> is wrong
[16:23] <ikonia> myndzi: you also don't use your username
[16:23] <ikonia> so your whole format is
[16:23] <ikonia> myndzi: cron is not a shell
[16:23] <myndzi> okay, i was told that crontab -e was supposed to alert me to errors ;(
[16:23] <ikonia> myndzi: it is  job schedule
[16:23] <gambl0re> so what should i do then
[16:23] <t0by> Theoretically nothing stops you. Practically it defeats the whole purpouse of a package manager. npm (or pip, tex-live, etc) is an exception because it's not a stystemwide package manager but int only works for a particular subsystem
[16:23] <gambl0re> i need for rpm for ruby and i need npm for javascript..
[16:23] <AlveKatt> Anyone know how I turn off 3d acceleration in ubuntu 14?
[16:24] <myndzi> EriC^^: why is /etc/crontab different? how should i launch a specific script in a specific working directory as a specific user, then?
[16:24] <auronandace> gambl0re: ubuntu is not an rpm based distribution
[16:24] <t0by> gambl0re, to give you an idea, I once read a console log that had "yum install apt-get" followed by "apt-get install npm". The guy became the laughing stock of the office because of the former line.
[16:24] <kuba7447> .deb based
[16:24] <ikonia> myndzi: forget /etc/crontab
[16:24] <bstarek> would "update-rc.d johdone defaults" still work with systemd?
[16:24] <t0by> auronandace, maybe he's running Fedora or something?
[16:24] <ikonia> myndzi: crontab -e is the correct tool, and I've told ou the problems
[16:24] <myndzi> i'm glad you've told me the problems, but that doesn't help me solve them :P
[16:25] <AlveKatt> Anyone know how I turn off noveau 3d acceleration in ubuntu 14?
[16:25] <ikonia> myndzi: yes it does
[16:25] <ikonia> myndzi: if you fix the problems - it will work
[16:25] <kuba7447> if you want a RPM based distro, use fedora
[16:25] <myndzi> i assume so
[16:25] <myndzi> the question is how? if i'm not just executing a shell command, how do i set the CWD?
[16:25] <EriC^^> myndzi: just remove your username and it should work, also specify the full path to the script straight away
[16:25] <ikonia> myndzi: you don't
[16:25] <ikonia> myndzi: you call the full path
[16:25] <EriC^^> myndzi: /path/to/script is the same as cd /path/to && ./script
[16:25] <gambl0re> too late, im already using ubuntu. i need to install emberjs and they require npm...
[16:26] <HoloPed> hey all, I'm trying to mount a USB drive and I get this error : wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1
[16:26] <HoloPed> what does it mean ?
[16:26] <myndzi> EriC^^: ok, tahnks
[16:26] <ikonia> myndzi: you're going to find it easier if you write a script that does what you want, then call that script from cron
[16:26] <t0by> EriC^^, except working directory etc.
[16:26] <myndzi> thanks*
[16:26] <gambl0re> what could happen if i have two packaged managers?
[16:26] <EriC^^> t0by: ah
[16:26] <t0by> gambl0re, it's okay. npm is more than okay. apt-get install npm and then npm install whatever. npm is a package manager specfically for the node.js usbsystem.
[16:26] <myndzi> seems like every time i try to work with the default system tools i find they're clunky as all hell :P
[16:26] <t0by> EriC^^, you know, if script contains an rm -R *
[16:26] <myndzi> i've now banged my head against syslog, upstart (the shitty centos version) and cron
[16:26] <t0by> stuff could get funny
[16:26] <myndzi> :|
[16:27] <gambl0re> ok thanks
[16:27] <ikonia> myndzi: they are not clunky at all
[16:27] <kuba7447> im my opinion, synaptic is the best package manager
[16:27] <t0by> gambl0re, btw rpm != npm
[16:27] <ikonia> myndzi: you're not learning how to use them, you're just doing random things with them, then being upset that they don't work
[16:27] <myndzi> "not being able to execute a command like you could from the shell" seems pretty clunky compared to alternatievs
[16:27] <t0by> ikonia, you know, that was my thing with women at the age of 16
[16:27] <myndzi> and i'm not mad, just apathetic at this point :P
[16:27] <ikonia> myndzi: no, it's  not meant for that
[16:27] <ikonia> myndzi: it's a job scheduler
[16:28] <ikonia> not a command line tool
[16:28] <myndzi> i keep trying to veer away from things that reinvent the wheel, but it turns out maybe new wheels are useful :)
[16:28] <ikonia> again - you're trying to do the wrong thing  with the wrong tool
[16:28] <ikonia> myndzi: re-invent the whel
[16:28] <t0by> ikonia, yes, I got a lot of that too
[16:28] <ikonia> wheel ?
[16:28] <ikonia> cron has been a solid tool for 20+ years
[16:28] <myndzi> right, so when i say 'this tool is clunky for my purpose' and you say 'no it's not, you're just trying to do something this tool doesn't work for', that's kind of self contradictory :)
[16:28] <ikonia> do you think a.) it's wrong b.) you're using it wrong
[16:28] <ikonia> I think b seems more likely
[16:28] <myndzi> b is obvious, but that doesn't mean it's not clunky :P
[16:29] <ikonia> myndzi: it is not clunky
[16:29] <ikonia> you are using the wrong tool
[16:29] <t0by> myndzi, enjoy the windows task scheduler.
[16:29] <myndzi> i think you just want to argue about everything you possibly can
[16:29] <myndzi> so i'm going to stop responding
[16:29] <ikonia> myndzi: and you can execute command line argument with it
[16:29] <t0by> myndzi, or that5 crappy thing they had on old Sun machines :P
[16:29] <ikonia> I don't want to argue with you at all
[16:29] <ikonia> I want you to use the right tools and get the right results, whih is why I'm giving you info on how to use cron properly
[16:30] <t0by> myndzi, trust ikonia. he has his shit together.
[16:30] <ikonia> t0by: tone the language down please
[16:30] <myndzi> it should be enough presumably to add a 'cd /absolute/path' at the top of the shell script
[16:30] <myndzi> to get the cwd right
[16:30] <ikonia> myndzi: no
[16:30] <ikonia> again - it is not a "shell"
[16:30] <ikonia> it's a job scheduler
[16:30] <myndzi> i mean in the script that cron is referencing
[16:30] <myndzi> not in the crontab file
[16:30] <t0by> ikonia, he has his... his... "he knows where his towel is"?
[16:31] <AlveKatt> How do I turn off noveau 3d acceleration in ubuntu 14.something?
[16:31] <ikonia> myndzi: you don't use "cd"
[16:31] <myndzi> so i can call it from anywhere and it will be in the right directory
[16:31] <ikonia> myndzi: call the script/command from the full path
[16:31] <auronandace> !behelpful | t0by
[16:31] <ikonia> no, you use the full path
[16:31] <myndzi> yes, i understand that
[16:31] <t0by> myndzi, using cd will NOT work because it's not a shell, it doesn't have the *concept* of cworking directory
[16:31] <myndzi> and the full path to the script/command
[16:31] <myndzi> itself
[16:31] <ikonia> myndzi: great, so you have no need for "cd"
[16:31] <myndzi> will get me a script that executes, yes?
[16:31] <myndzi> now if i want that script to execute in a specific directory, inside of that script, i should be able to cd to that directory, yes?
[16:32] <ikonia> myndzi: you can do that from within the script, yes
[16:32] <t0by> auronandace, I'm... familiar with cron? I was just agreeing with ikonia. myndzi kind of seems in need of hearing people telling him ikonia is speaking perfect sense. Which he is.
[16:32] <myndzi> that's all i was saying
[16:32] <myndzi> and it will run as the user that executed 'crontab -e' ?
[16:33] <ikonia> myndzi: correct
[16:33] <ikonia> myndzi: do you want to try an example entry so we can check it for you
[16:33] <myndzi> i followed everything just fine :)
[16:33] <myndzi> absolute path, no cd, remove username
[16:33] <ikonia> can you show us your example entry
[16:33] <Semiarty> well, I was wondering if I could connect to a 2nd remote server with one command? at the moment I have to ssh host1 and then ssh host2 to get to host2, could I do something that I would only have to write lets say ssh host2fast and I would  get from my server to the host2? I have private/public keys on both servers in a chain order, so I don't need passwords to connect to them
[16:33] <ikonia> lets take a look at it
[16:33] <myndzi> 01 2 * * * /home/myndzi/dailyscrape/scrape
[16:33] <ikonia> much better
[16:34] <myndzi> and at the top of that file under the hashbang, cd /home/myndzi/dailyscrape
[16:34] <myndzi> i realize it would be better not to make it depend on the cwd but it's calling external tools
[16:34] <myndzi> and they don't have that ability (yet)
[16:35] <EriC^^> Semiarty: does ssh user@host1 "ssh user@host2" work ?
[16:35] <Semiarty> ill try
[16:36] <Semiarty> no EriC^^, it says "pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal"
[16:36] <histo> Semiarty: don't use the quotes
[16:36] <Semiarty> same
[16:37] <Semiarty> it connects to host1 and I get this message fyi
[16:37] <histo> Semiarty: why can't you reach host2 from your machine?
[16:37] <myndzi> ikonia: thank you for your help
[16:37] <histo> kind of silly pivoting through another box
[16:37] <Semiarty> because host2 is a local server behind a host1 network
[16:38] <Semiarty> I have to ssh to uni's network and then ssh to a research computing server
[16:38] <Semiarty> which I cannot access externally
[16:38] <ikonia> myndzi: no problem
[16:38] <IrfanAlam> hey how to install command line ?
[16:40] <histo> IrfanAlam: ?
[16:40] <histo> IrfanAlam: you mean a command line only system.
[16:40] <gambl0re> open up your terminal...
[16:40] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, is this related to your webserver-page ?
[16:40] <histo> Semiarty: I'm still thinking of a way to do whatyou want. hold up
[16:40] <Semiarty> yeah, I thought so
[16:40] <IrfanAlam> yes
[16:40] <Semiarty> I tried tunneling as well, but the intermediate host (uni network) does not have netcat
[16:40] <IrfanAlam> the error is Php command line not detected
[16:41] <t0by> Don't know if this is the right channel, but I am running Ubuntu 14.04 on a Thinkpad T400, it's a P8600. Now, it's sluggish. I have 8GB RAM, but it's sluggish. The disk seems to be thrashing a lot. Do you think an SSD would be an improvement?
[16:41] <Semiarty> http://sshmenu.sourceforge.net/articles/transparent-mulithop.html this one
[16:41] <histo> Semiarty: tried -t
[16:41] <ikonia> t0by: have a look at why the disk is thrashing
[16:41] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: Yes
[16:41] <ikonia> that will tell you more
[16:41] <t0by> ikonia, it's not swapping.