[00:01] <nosrednaekim> hah... no docs for the compiz python bindings.. the suggestion was "look at CCSM"
[00:02] <Nightrose> nixternal: :( why was it a waste of time?
[00:02] <Jmanfoo> Hey folks, it's been a while
[00:03] <cheguevara> nosrednaekim, ouch
[00:03] <Jmanfoo> I've got an installation guide that I've written for Kubuntu, which I emailed to Jonathan Riddell, and he suggested it be included in the documentation on the live CD
[00:04] <Jmanfoo> however i'm not sure how to go about integrating it into that, beyond adjusting the visual elements to match
[00:04] <nosrednaekim> cheguevara: yeah......
[00:04] <Jmanfoo> especially since I don't primarily use kubuntu :P
[00:05] <Jmanfoo> not anymore anyway
[00:05] <cheguevara> Jmanfoo, ping Riddell
[00:05] <Riddell> hi Jmanfoo
[00:05] <cheguevara> nm :P
[00:05] <Jmanfoo> Riddell:  hi :)
[00:05] <Riddell> Jmanfoo: I think the thing to do would be to branch the docs and add your changes to the About Kubuntu guide
[00:05] <Riddell> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-hardy
[00:05] <Riddell> it's in bzr
[00:05] <Riddell> and written in docbook
[00:06] <nixternal> Nightrose: 1 person shows up, and the person who set up the event, he decided to sleep in and not show up
[00:06] <Nightrose> nixternal: ouch that s*cks
[00:06] <nixternal> I am going to change my concentration from the LoCos back to Kubuntu
[00:06] <nixternal> ya it does
[00:07] <Jmanfoo> Riddell: looking at it now
[00:30] <cheguevara> this is pretty crappy
[00:30] <cheguevara> either kde 4 or java 7
[00:30] <cheguevara> can't install both....
[00:30] <yuriy> there's a java 7? :O
[00:30] <nixternal> icedtea
[00:31] <cheguevara> yeah
[00:31] <cheguevara> libgif4 vs libungif4
[00:31] <yuriy> is it GPL?
[00:31] <nixternal> ya
[00:31] <nixternal> cheguevara: I noticed that yesterday
[00:31] <yuriy> cause if it is i think it should be included by default
[00:31] <nixternal> I purged libgif4 and said screw icedtea
[00:32] <cheguevara> yeah i had to do the same
[00:32] <cheguevara> yuriy, its still alpha
[00:32] <nixternal> it is getting better as well
[00:32] <Riddell> cheguevara: that's a job for someone to do, recompile everything that uses libungif against libgif
[00:32] <Riddell> cheguevara: it needs talking to tech board about first though
[00:33] <nixternal> I was unable to build svn kde4 with libgif4 as well
[00:34] <Riddell> hmm, really?
[00:34] <cheguevara> Riddell, oh right, well i could do recompiles/tests/debdiffs but then you will have to do the talking to tech board :P
[00:34] <Riddell> libungif is dead upstream
[00:34] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, I had all kinds of trouble
[00:34] <cheguevara> hmmm
[00:34] <nixternal> as soon as I removed libgif4 and went back to libungif4 it went back to building nicely
[00:34] <cheguevara> then failures should be reported upstream
[00:34] <nixternal> I haven't had a chance to look into it
[00:35] <cheguevara> Riddell, do you want me to start trying kde 4 with libgif and see what fails
[00:35] <nixternal> Riddell: have you had any problems building kdepim-kde4 at all with mysql support?
[00:35] <nixternal> it seems to only be an amd64 issue
[00:36] <nixternal> it works fine on my lappy, but my desktop I had to build kdepim for kde4 w/o mysql support
[00:36] <nixternal> desktop == amd64
[00:37] <Riddell> cheguevara: sure, can do
[00:37] <Riddell> nixternal: I've had linker errors with mysql before on amd64
[00:37] <Riddell> -fPIC complaints I think
[00:37] <nixternal> ya
[00:37] <Riddell> koffice2 possibly
[00:37] <nixternal> koffice2 had no problem, kontact was an issue for me
[00:37] <Riddell> mostly I just removed the mysql build dep for lack of time to look at it
[00:37] <nixternal> err, kdepim
[00:37] <Riddell> maybe it was kdepim
[00:38] <nixternal> someone in kde4-devel said it needs to be reported upstream
[00:38] <cheguevara> w00t i fount a bug in adept :P
[00:38] <nixternal> cheguevara: just one? :p
[00:38] <Riddell> cheguevara: shuely shome mishtake
[00:38] <nixternal> haha
[00:38] <cheguevara> lol
[00:39] <cheguevara> if you select say libungif4g it tries to get the changelog from /changelogs/pool/main/l/libungif4/libungif4_4.1.4-5/changelog when its in /changelogs/pool/main/libu/libungif4/
[00:39]  * cheguevara wants a medal
[00:39] <cheguevara> lol j/k
[00:39] <Riddell> oh the changelog thing is problematic
[00:39] <Riddell> it can be a bit random about what it shows
[00:46] <cheguevara> whats the QT 4 package manager
[00:46] <cheguevara> keep forgetting thename
[00:46] <nosrednaekim> don'tthink there is one.
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> kpackage?
[00:47] <nixternal> kpackage
[00:47] <nixternal> it doesn't work w/o some backend...can't remember off the top of my head
[00:48] <nosrednaekim> smart
[00:48] <Riddell> doesn't have a qt frontend that I know of
[00:49] <Riddell> stdin: comments added to kfax-kde4 and kopete-cryto
[00:49] <Riddell> cheguevara: comments added to kcolouredit
[00:53] <cheguevara> Riddell, thx, but the last 2 comments mean that 2 packages that are in the new queue got the same problem
[00:53] <cheguevara> the wrapper one
[00:54] <Riddell> cheguevara: are they your packages?
[00:54] <cheguevara> yar
[00:54] <Riddell> cheguevara: I can reject them from New if you want and you can get versions with that added uploaded
[00:55] <cheguevara> yeah Riddell can you please
[00:55] <cheguevara> forgot we now want kde4 apps visible in kde 3
[00:55] <cheguevara> its ktorrent and kmldonkey
[00:55] <Riddell> Rejecting ktorrent-kde4
[00:55] <Riddell> Rejecting kmldonkey-kde4
[00:55] <Riddell> done
[00:55] <cheguevara> cheers
[00:56] <Riddell> cheguevara: when you add that scripting stuff make sure it works for both indep builds and arch only builds (do  debuild -B for arch only testing)
[00:56] <Riddell> if it's just one binary in the package then it should be fine
[00:56] <cheguevara> will do
[00:59] <cheguevara> Riddell, install/kfax-kde4:: <-- the scripting stuff under there right?
[01:00] <Riddell> cheguevara: that's the wone
[01:00] <Riddell> one
[01:01] <Riddell> you need to change the rule target of course
[01:01]  * Riddell sleeps
[01:01] <cheguevara> yeah of course
[01:01] <cheguevara> good night
[01:03] <stdin> Riddell: for kfax-kde4 some files are GPL v2 only, I've emailed the authors about this and had 2 replies. Bernd Wuebben says it's OK to re-license to GPLv2+ but Helge Deller says that the files were intentionally GPL2 only
[01:05] <nixternal> k'nite Riddell
[01:10] <cheguevara> hmmm gentoo doesn't even have libungif
[01:12] <nixternal> probably why people are complaining they are having kde4 build issues with it :)
[01:13] <cheguevara> i've built it on gentoo before
[01:13] <cheguevara> worked fine
[01:13] <cheguevara> both 3 and 4
[01:13] <cheguevara> gentoo was too much compiling for me to use at home
[01:13] <cheguevara> though its still on my servers :P
[01:15] <cheguevara> things compile very nicely on a quad core with 4 gigs of ram
[01:16] <cheguevara> stdin, are you gonna do more extragear? just so we don't end up doing the same thing
[01:17] <stdin> cheguevara: I may, it's just finding the time :p if you want I'll put up a wiki page with the apps on extragear and you just put your name next to the package you're packaging?
[01:18] <cheguevara> yeah that'll be great
[01:18] <cheguevara> and we can check off which ones are done
[01:19] <cheguevara> and also stdin does kdesdk build for you
[01:20] <stdin> the RC2 one ?
[01:20] <cheguevara> yeah
[01:21] <stdin> well I haven't built it here, but it builds on the PPAs (except for lpia but that's no surprise)
[01:21] <nixternal> lol
[01:21] <cheguevara> lol
[01:21] <cheguevara> weird
[01:21] <cheguevara> FTBFS for me with pdebuild
[01:22] <stdin> does your pbuilder have the PPA repositories?
[01:22] <cheguevara> do i need them in hardy?
[01:22] <stdin> no, but I think just about everything is broken in hardy :p
[01:23] <cheguevara> thats nice lol
 CMake Error: This project requires some variables to be set,
 and cmake can not find them.
 Please set the following variables:
 KICKER_WORKSPACE_LIBRARY
[01:24] <cheguevara> is what i got
[01:25] <stdin> try updating the pbuilder base.tgz, it may be using an older package list
[01:26] <cheguevara> stdin: as in "pbuilder update"
[01:26] <stdin> yeah
[01:26] <cheguevara> done it just before i built it :P
[01:27] <cheguevara> wonder what the hell that var is supposed to do
[01:31] <Jmanfoo> is bazaar slow or are these docs just huge?
[01:38] <nixternal> Jmanfoo: which docs?
[01:38] <nixternal> kubuntu-docs?
[01:38] <Jmanfoo> yeah
[01:39] <nixternal> kubuntu-docs are fairly large, but bzr is very slow as well
[01:39] <nixternal> you could probably updated 4 windows machines before that bzr checkout finishes :)
[01:39] <Jmanfoo> maybe, but who would want to :P
[01:39] <nixternal> and if you work on any of the docs, make sure you send me your diffs so I can look at them and see about uploading them
[01:40] <nixternal> also if you have some ideas, toss them my way and we can see what we can do
[01:40] <Jmanfoo> i'm going to see about converting http://www.opensourcesociety.org/2007/12/14/the-easiest-installation-guide-ever/ to docbook format and putting it in the docs
[01:41] <nixternal> I will have to look it over, an install guide would probably be best suited for a wiki, as we have switched over to a more topic-based system
[01:41] <ardchoille> Found something very interesting: http://pastebin.ca/819564
[01:44] <stdin> cheguevara: ok, go ahead and edit https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ExtragearPackaging
[01:49] <cheguevara> stdin, kk
[02:10] <Jmanfoo> heh, a wiki certainly would be quicker
[02:12] <cheguevara> nixternal, god i shoul've just asked you or wait for tomorrow (see #ubuntu-motu) lol
[02:24] <jjesse> evening :)
[02:29] <cheguevara> evening
[02:35] <cheguevara> stdin, I think by the time we get all of these actually packaged and pass revu + new RC 3 will be out lol
[02:35] <stdin> what RC3 ?
[02:36] <cheguevara> kde 4
[02:36] <stdin> I don't think there is an RC3 coming, it'll be released in less than a month
[02:36] <nixternal> there is not going to be an RC 3 last I heard
[02:36] <cheguevara> oh are we not having another RC
[02:37] <cheguevara> huh thats weird I remember reading somewhere that they decided to do 1
[02:37] <cheguevara> meh bad move imho
[02:37] <cheguevara> 4.0 will be buggy :P
[02:37] <stdin> they decided to do an RC2 (that wan't going to happen)
[02:38] <cheguevara> oh yeah you are right
[02:38] <cheguevara> heh she didn't stay long
[02:39] <jjesse> wow
[02:39] <jjesse> :)
[02:43] <cheguevara> hey Hobbsee
[02:43] <Hobbsee> heya!
[02:44] <cheguevara> how is it going
[02:45] <Hobbsee> going OK
[02:45] <Hobbsee> switched back to hardy for a bit
[02:45] <Hobbsee> then remembered about switching back to metacity :)
[02:45] <cheguevara> ewww gnome :P
[02:46]  * Hobbsee shrugs
[02:46] <Hobbsee> it's got some nice stuff with it
[02:46] <Hobbsee> and doesnt' get uploaded every day, too...
[02:46] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[02:46] <Hobbsee> heya jjesse!
[02:46] <cheguevara> Hobbsee, meh name one
[02:46] <cheguevara> oh yeah and Riddell wanted you to give back kde packages
[02:47] <Hobbsee> you can drag adn drop the applications on the equivalent-kicker.
[02:47] <cheguevara> but you are right about uploaded every day lol
[02:48] <cheguevara> but let me know Hobbsee when gnome can restore things from the recycle bin :P
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ah yes, it appears that you still have to drag and drop things
[02:49]  * Hobbsee also misses the move to / copy to dialogs
[02:49] <Hobbsee> er, menus
[02:49] <cheguevara> and actually being able to configure stuff :P
[02:51] <Hobbsee> actually, gnome has gotten better in configuration - it's not as confusing as it once was
[02:51]  * Hobbsee rather likes the split panels, etc, too
[02:51] <Hobbsee> and the update-manager is nice
[02:51] <cheguevara> guess its a taste thing
[02:51] <cheguevara> gnome just drives me crazy
[02:51] <cheguevara> i honestly rather use windows then gnome
[02:52] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:52] <crimsun> which version of Windows?
[02:52]  * Hobbsee has made the windeco look like polyester :P
[02:52] <crimsun> I'd much rather use GNOME than any version of Windows.  Not that it matters.  :-)
[02:53] <cheguevara> probably xp and above
[02:53] <cheguevara> i might choose gnome if it was over it and ME
[02:53] <cheguevara> :P
[02:54] <cheguevara> Hobbsee, you got time for some REVU ?
[02:55]  * Hobbsee stomps on pidgin
[02:55] <Hobbsee> cheguevara: not really
[02:55]  * Hobbsee probably shouldn't review :P
[02:55] <cheguevara> aww :(
[02:58] <cheguevara> whats the command to see what packages depend on a certain package
[02:59] <stdin> apt-cache rdepends <package>
[03:13] <jjesse> Jmanfoo: what are you working on?
[03:14] <jjesse> Jmanfoo: is it something with the docteam?
[03:25] <Jmanfoo> Yeah, converting an article I did on my blog into a section for the docbook
[03:25] <jjesse> as a part of kubuntu-docs?
[03:25] <Jmanfoo> Yup
[03:25] <jjesse> do you have access to commit to the bzr branch?
[03:25] <cheguevara> hmmm where are the font hinting configuration on kde 4
[03:26] <Jmanfoo> no, Riddell told me to make my own branch
[03:26] <cheguevara> s/are/is/
[03:26] <jjesse> we don't use seperate individual branches, we all commit to the same branch
[03:26] <Jmanfoo> in that case no I don't have access
[03:26] <jjesse> so to get it uploaded, need to email ubuntu-doc mailing list
[03:26] <jjesse> the .diff file
[03:34] <Jmanfoo> heh ok let me start from the beginning, i wrote an article for my blog, intended to be an installation guide for Kubuntu that anyone with basic typing skills could follow
[03:34] <jjesse> ok sounds useful
[03:34] <jjesse> would it best found on the wiki or on within the docs?
[03:34] <Jmanfoo> i sent an email to Jonathan Riddell suggesting he might want to add a link to it from the kubuntu site, and he wrote back saying i should get it included in the docs that are n the LiveCD
[03:35] <Jmanfoo> well personally i think it should be on the wiki, but i'm worried someone might not have access to it during an actual installation that way
[03:36] <jjesse> i understand, i wonder if this is something that should be addressed within the doc team<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:37] <Jmanfoo> Ok, should I just send a link to the original article and say "hey I thought this might be useful somewhere?" heh
[03:38] <jjesse> yeah i think so
[03:38] <Jmanfoo> excellent, thanks for your help jjesse :)
[03:38] <jjesse> mention Riddell wanted it to be included in a link fomr about kubuntu
[03:38] <jjesse> Jmanfoo: no problem, just want to make sure things are done in the correct way :)
[03:55] <cheguevara> damn rebuilding kdelibs takes so long
[04:46] <cheguevara> stdin, you still around?
[04:46] <stdin> yep
[04:46] <cheguevara> at this time? :P
[04:46] <cheguevara> anywas was gonna say i just re-compiled kdelibs5 against giflib, seems to compile fine
[04:46] <stdin> my sleep rhythm is off because I'm ill :(
[04:47] <cheguevara> heh i slept at day time, now don't want to go to sleep
[04:47] <cheguevara> let me file a bug with the debdiff
[04:52] <cheguevara> stdin, do you happen to remember is kde4libs the only one that links with ungif out of kde 4
[04:54] <stdin> from the debian/control files, it is
[04:56] <cheguevara> ah good
[05:08] <cheguevara> stdin, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10931090/debdiff << looks sane?
[05:10] <stdin> are you sure that nothing actually needs libungif and libgif is ok?
[05:10] <cheguevara> pretty sure
[05:10] <cheguevara> because other distros link against it
[05:11] <cheguevara> the kde's cmake configures both
[05:11] <cheguevara> *then
[05:11] <cheguevara> arrgh
[05:11] <cheguevara> kde's cmake configure accepts both
[05:11] <nixternal> booyahkah
[05:12] <cheguevara> and the fact that they are really the same thing, just one can't save compressed gifs :P
[05:12] <stdin> the diff looks good to me
[05:13] <cheguevara> i'll show Riddell tomorrow we'll see what he says
[05:15] <stdin> I take it that bug 126266 won't be an issue here?
[05:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126266 in kde4libs "depends on wrong giflib" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126266
[05:17] <cheguevara> so it did depend on libgif before
[05:17] <cheguevara> sec looking at rdepends
[05:18] <stdin> and installing libgif4 wants to remove quite a bit... http://stdin.pastebin.com/d3ee9a6db
[05:19] <cheguevara> well most of it is kde stuff
[05:19] <cheguevara> that piles up because libs is built against ungif
[05:20] <cheguevara> mplayer seems to be built against ungif though
[05:21] <stdin> ffmpeg too
[05:21] <stdin> seems like quite a large rebuild of a sources to have a smooth transition to libgif
[05:22] <cheguevara> its gotta be done sooner or later (imagine there's a security bug tomorrow)
[05:23] <cheguevara> but yeah its not a kubuntu only issue
[05:23] <cheguevara> but new packages like icedtea are built against libgif
[05:23] <stdin> but a big rebuild like that is never done inside a release, it'd have to be done for hardy
[05:24] <stdin> and in that case it may not be done until after kde4 release anyway
[05:24] <cheguevara> there's a bigger issue as well
[05:24] <cheguevara> libgif is in universe
[05:24] <cheguevara> when ungif is in main
[05:25] <cheguevara> so it'll probably have to go through a main inclusion process
[05:25] <stdin> well that sux :p
[05:25] <stdin> so yeah, it'll be a long process for all that to happen
[05:25] <cheguevara> and its up to techboard anyway
[05:26] <cheguevara> right i think on this note i can go to sleep
[05:27] <stdin> sleep is for the week, caffeine is for the strong :)
[05:27] <cheguevara> heh
[05:27] <cheguevara> got to wake up at around 11
[05:27] <cheguevara> which is only like 6 and a half hours...
[05:28] <nixternal> stdin: I would love to sleep for a week :)
[05:28] <nixternal> I am just looking at finishing out the next 3 days of class strong, and then getting back to Kooooooboooooontooooooo
[05:28] <cheguevara> :P
[05:29] <cheguevara> good night
[05:29]  * stdin hits nixternal over the head with a book called "Why Windows Sux" and sends him into a week long coma
[05:29] <nixternal> k'nite
[05:29] <nixternal> hahahahahahaha
[05:29] <nixternal> I read that as "My Windows Sux"
[05:29] <stdin> well, yours too :)
[05:34] <nixternal> hehe
[08:02] <ubiq> Why does debsign skip my secret key?
[08:02] <ubiq> It works with the -k flag, and I have the .bashrc global variables set.
[08:31] <ubiq> never mind. I just discovered the DEBSIGN_KEYID variable!
[08:58] <Lure> Riddell: what is going on with apt transition (adept+kubuntu-desktop would be removed with dist-upgrade)
[09:03] <hads> Lure: I discovered that /usr/bin/kmail will segfault here if kdepim-kde4 is installed (in case you were interested from the other day).
[09:04] <Lure> hads: that is bad :-( Does kdepim-kde4 installs something on regular dirs (not separeated from kde3)?
[09:05] <hads> Nope, everything is below /usr/lib/kde4 or /usr/share/doc/
[09:09] <hads> Ah, I get it. It's because of LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/lib
[09:10] <Lure> hads: yep, if you start kde3 apps in kde4 session, you need to ensure that it is run with proper LD_LIBRARY_PATH and KDEHOME
[09:11] <hads> Yeah, sorry for the noise. I should have figured that out earlier.
[09:11] <Lure> hads: this is what kde4 developers suggest for your .bashrc: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48517/
[09:12] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^ how should this work properly (coexistance of kde3 and kde4
[09:13] <hads> In this KDE4 session kmail points to /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kmail if it's installed but I can't start that at the moment (undefined symbol: _ZN15KConfigSkeleton11setDefaultsEv) so I was trying to use KDE3 kmail.
[09:13] <hads> Thanks for the .bashrc tip
[11:37] <Tonio_> hi all
[11:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll release kdesudo toonight, didn't have time this we for this...
[11:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: december is generally a hard month at work, so sorry for the delay
[11:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: tonight is all good
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: great, I'll have a lot of contrib days to take in the next weeks, which is a good point
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: but atm, I'm busy about 100h a week.... hard to be there in case of problems
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, adept is broken due to new libapt relased :)
[11:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, I know, discussing with mvo and enrico
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[11:48] <cheguevara> morning
[11:49] <Riddell> hi cheguevara, I see the motus were giving you a hard time last night :)
[11:49] <cheguevara> no kidding lol
[11:49] <cheguevara> got 3 packages in revu now
[11:50] <cheguevara> did you see the libgif conversation i had with stdin yesterday Riddell
[11:51] <Riddell> Lure: I'm not sure why kontact wouldn't work with LD-LIBRARY_PATh set
[11:52] <Lure> Riddell: I think it loads some plugins dynamically and therefore from kde4 path instead of kde3
[11:52] <Lure> Riddell: when do we set LD_LIBRARY_PATH for kde4 session? globally for session or individually (in desktop files or soo)?
[11:53] <Riddell> Lure: globally in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde
[11:53] <Lure> Riddell: I do not understand how this is supposed to work together
[11:53] <Riddell> Lure: libraries should be versioned
[11:53] <Lure> Riddell: yes, but if you  start kde3 app then, they will use KDEHOME for !/.kde4
[11:54] <Lure> Riddell: yes, but if you  start kde3 app then, they will use KDEHOME for ~/.kde4
[11:54] <Riddell> Lure: we don't set KDEHOME
[11:54] <Lure> Riddell: libraries yes, but what about plugins (.desktop files)?
[11:55] <Lure> Riddell: so kde4 writes config to ~/.kde? Isn't that a bit dangeourus?
[11:55] <Riddell> Lure: no kde 4 apps use ~/.kde4
[11:55] <Riddell> that's set in kdelibs
[11:55] <Lure> Riddell: when do we set KDEHOME then?
[11:55] <Lure> ok, right
[11:56] <Riddell> plugins, hmm, yes
[11:56] <Lure> Riddell: is it possible that both kde3 and kde4 pim install plugins in /usr/share/services/
[11:57] <Lure> Riddell: check dpkg -L kontact and you will see what is installed
[11:57] <Lure> Riddell: then check kde4 package
[11:57] <Lure> Riddell: on the other hand: why do we care about kde4pim at all - it will not be released in 4.0.0
[11:57]  * Lure has to run
[12:05] <cheguevara> Riddell, basically kde4libs rebuilt against libgif perfectly fine, debdiff at bug #176836, but this needs to be decided by ubuntu core dev probably, since you can't have both libraries and most things are still compiled against ungif
[12:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176836 in kde4libs "Rebuild kde4libs against libgif instead of libungif" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176836
[12:05] <cheguevara> plus ungif is in main and gif is in universe
[12:07] <cheguevara> icedtea is about the only thing that is built against libgif (don't know why doko did that)
[12:17] <cheguevara> off to work cya
[13:08] <nixternal> wooo, c++ final today
[13:09] <Riddell> nixternal: have you memorised this? http://jriddell.org/const-in-cpp.html
[13:18] <nixternal> yay const :)
[13:20] <nixternal> there will definitely be pointers and const on this test no doubt
[13:20] <nixternal> as well as stacks, queues, linked lists, and vectors
[13:20] <tyfon> const int*const mymethod(const int*const&)const
[13:20] <tyfon> nice
[13:21] <nixternal> just remembering which one uses push_back(), push_front(), push(), pop(), top(), back(), and so on is waking me up
[13:21] <nixternal> easy stuff
[14:22] <Riddell> Lure: do you know anything that uses qt4 dbus?
[14:23] <Lure> Riddell: kde4? ;-)
[14:23] <tyfon> skype afaik
[14:24] <Riddell> Lure: python qt4 dbus I ment
[14:27] <nixternal> avahi
[14:30] <nixternal> what about guidance? is that going to be ported to qt4? if so, wouldn't that use it?
[14:38] <Riddell> ooh, I think I have something working
[14:38] <Riddell> nixternal: it's not ported yet
[14:38] <nixternal> ok, wasn't sure
[14:55] <Lure> Riddell: there is powermanager qt4 port somewhere in kde svn
[14:55] <Lure> Riddell: ask sebas
[15:21] <fdoving> nice, kde4 is actually usable.
[15:22] <Riddell> rock on printer setup http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/printer-setup.png
[15:32] <Lure> Riddell: when is your archive day? ;-) it would be good to get digikam/kipi-plugins rc/beta in next Hardy Alpha
[15:32] <Riddell> Lure: do they just need syncing?
[15:33] <Lure> Riddell: yes, sync bugs are in LP
[16:23] <bddebian> Heya
[16:38] <stdin> I missed writing code, so I wrote the simplest LAN messenger ever :) http://stdin.me.uk/code/qmessenger/
[17:03] <iRon> stdin: write qt backend for libpurple (pidgin) ;-)
[17:04] <stdin> heh, I doubt I'd be able to do anything like that
[17:05] <iRon> :-(
[17:11] <iRon> stdin: i want to have a skinnable contact list.. like in Adium on OSX. Kopete doesn't provide this feature :(
[17:13] <stdin> iRon: well that little app I made is about the limit of my coding ability right now, so hacking on kopete is a bit beyond me :p
[17:20] <iRon> stdin: nice messenger :) works like public chat..
[17:21] <stdin> yep, very simple. just broadcasts a UDP message
[17:40] <Riddell> cheguevara: you win most talkative :)  http://ubuntuircstats.org/kubuntu-devel.html
[17:42] <stdin> Riddell: but you win most used word :p
[17:45] <Riddell> new printer configuration goodness https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kde-port
[17:51] <apachelogger> cheguevara: why did ktorrent get rejected?
[17:54] <cheguevara> back
[17:54] <cheguevara> apachelogger, it didn't get rejected
[17:54] <apachelogger> meh
[17:54] <cheguevara> i requested Riddell to reject it
[17:54] <apachelogger> ah
[17:54] <apachelogger> ok
[17:54] <cheguevara> because I forgot that we need to install icons for kde 3
[17:54] <cheguevara> so thats the only change
[17:54] <apachelogger> why? :P
[17:54] <cheguevara> + an added watch
[17:54] <apachelogger> please always state such reasons in the revu upload
[17:55] <apachelogger> uhm
[17:55] <apachelogger> well
[17:55] <cheguevara> oh sorry, i stated on kmldonkey
[17:55] <cheguevara> but forget on ktorrent
[17:55] <apachelogger> watch file is missing a new line at the end
[17:55] <cheguevara> bah
[17:55] <apachelogger> get-orig-source doesn't work http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2814/
[17:56] <apachelogger> hooray
[17:56] <cheguevara> meh shouldn't have even bothered with it
[17:57] <apachelogger> my laptops kde4 is br0ken
[17:57] <cheguevara> congrats :P
[17:57] <apachelogger> hence I can't log in
[17:57] <apachelogger> hence can't pbuild ktorrent
[17:57] <apachelogger> hence can't advocate :P
[17:57] <apachelogger> cheguevara: oh, well, I totally agree on the not bothering part :P
[17:57] <cheguevara> yeah well persia made me :P
[17:57] <cheguevara> apachelogger, you don't really need a kde 4 env to build/run it
[17:58] <apachelogger> nah but a gui :P
[17:58] <cheguevara> yeah true that lol
[17:58] <apachelogger> cheguevara: there is no point in doing a get-orig for _one_ release
[17:58] <cheguevara> yeah thats what i was saying
[17:58] <apachelogger> same for the addition to copying
[17:59] <apachelogger> cheguevara: MOTUs aren't always right ;-)
[17:59] <apachelogger> just mostly
[17:59] <cheguevara> i think i'll just bug people around here to advocate in the future, because you guys know about kde 4 specifics, etc
[18:00] <apachelogger> lol
[18:00] <nalioth> hi y'all
[18:00] <apachelogger> we have a lower latency anyway :P
[18:00] <apachelogger> ahoy nalioth
[18:00] <cheguevara> yeah true
[18:00] <cheguevara> persia told me to do the watch file, then after i re uploaded he didn't even check it again lol
[18:00] <nalioth> i'd like to offer a powerpc machine for building kde4 packages, if anyone is interested
[18:01] <apachelogger> cheguevara: well, persia usually does revus on revu-day (i.e. monday)
[18:01] <apachelogger> the rest of the week he just gives feedback to have good packages to revu
[18:02] <cheguevara> oh i see
[18:03] <apachelogger> meh
[18:03] <apachelogger> now my X went wocka as well -.-
[18:04] <cheguevara> :(
[18:05]  * cheguevara smells a re-install
[18:05] <cheguevara> Riddell, you got long to go to catch up with me :P
[18:07] <cheguevara> ok i just b0rked my system as well
[18:15] <cheguevara> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 FTBFS again
[18:17] <Riddell> anyone encountering bug #115970
[18:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115970 in qt4-x11 "qtconfig-qt4 doesn't start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115970
[18:17] <Riddell> it all seems to work for me
[18:38] <apachelogger> meh
[18:39] <apachelogger> so only my user is b0rked
[18:39] <apachelogger> kde-devel is working just fine
[18:40] <fdoving> hey apachelogger, got some secs to give me an compile-amarok-from-svn hint?
[18:40] <fdoving> when trying to compile amarok 2 from svn cmake says : Please set the following variables: TAGLIB_INCLUDES, any hints?
[18:40] <apachelogger> uhm
[18:40] <apachelogger> install libtag1-dev
[18:40] <fdoving> i have taglib from svn.
[18:40] <fdoving> but i have also tried libtag1-dev
[18:40] <fdoving> no difference.
[18:41] <apachelogger> hum
[18:42] <apachelogger> fdoving: somehow it doesn't show up in your include paths I'd say
[18:42] <apachelogger> fdoving: maybe this helps: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/2.0_Development_HowTo
[18:43] <fdoving> it does find taglib, -- Taglib found: -L/home/frode/kde4/lib -ltag, atleast the shared object.
[18:48] <cheguevara> Riddell, min, i'll check
[18:51] <stdin> qtconfig-qt4 works fine for me
[18:52] <Riddell> stdin: turns out it's in gutsy
[18:52] <Riddell> but I still can't recreate it
[18:52] <stdin> I'm in gutsy now
[18:52] <Riddell> stdin: do you have -updates installed?
[18:52] <stdin> yep
[18:53] <Riddell> ok, so neither of us can recreate it
[18:53]  * stdin runs dist-upgrade to check
[18:53] <Riddell> but it's being reported by multiple people
[18:53] <stdin> yep, fully up-to-date
[18:57] <Riddell> stdin: can you try lastfm from their sources? http://www.last.fm/download/?showplatform=Linux
[18:57] <Riddell> their binary rather
[19:00] <stdin> Riddell: seems to work fine
[19:05] <stdin> although, I'm not sure what a bunny has to do with it http://apt.last.fm/
[19:06] <cheguevara> lol
[19:15] <apachelogger> stdin: kfax: debian/changelog: bug fix should be LP: #xxxxx  the # is important ... also you should merge the closes line with the intial release - Initial release (LP: #xxx)
[19:15] <apachelogger> for KDE4 isn't exactly true, it's more like for hardy really ;-)
[19:15] <apachelogger> I'd just drump that part
[19:17] <apachelogger> stdin: has COPYING COPYING.LIB also be added to upstream SVN? if so, please mention that you changed the tarball cause the files have been added upstream. if not, you shouldn't edit the tarball.
[19:17] <stdin> they have, and I'll mention that
[19:17] <apachelogger> stdin: by mention I mean a note in debian/changelog btw ;-)
[19:18] <stdin> yeah, I got that :p
[19:18] <nixternal> 2 finals down, 2 to go!
[19:18]  * apachelogger ships more luck over to nixternal
[19:18] <nixternal> hehe
[19:19] <nixternal> the c++ test was a pita, who uses binary trees anyways?
[19:19] <apachelogger> stdin: also please state that viewfax.h is LGPL in debian/copyright + short version of license
[19:19] <cheguevara> :P
[19:19] <mhb> nixternal: the whole mathematics department here, I'm sure.
[19:19] <stdin> apachelogger: the kde3 package description is "G3/G4 fax viewer for KDE" so I just slapped a 4 on the end
[19:19] <mhb> nixternal: at least the folks researching graph theory.
[19:20] <cheguevara> brb reboot
[19:20] <nixternal> well, I never plan on researching that stuff
[19:20] <apachelogger> stdin: should be enough for now
[19:20] <apachelogger> meh
[19:20] <nixternal> and I never plan on writing a calculator, so postfix, prefix, and infix is all a blur now :)
[19:20]  * apachelogger needs a nu kate
[19:21] <apachelogger> can't revu without it's revu features :P
[19:21] <mhb> nixternal: well, if your life consisted only of the stuff you can make use of...
[19:21] <mhb> that'd be pretty boring, wouldn't it? :o)
[19:22] <apachelogger> stdin: are you a debian qt/kde maintainer?
[19:22] <stdin> apachelogger: nope
[19:22] <apachelogger> stdin: then the xsbc-original-maintainer needs to be changed :P
[19:23] <apachelogger> a watch file would be nice
[19:24] <stdin> let's see if I can remember how to make one ;)
[19:25] <apachelogger> hehe
[19:25] <apachelogger> stdin: you can pretty much use the one from ktorrent-kde4
[19:25] <apachelogger> just change the app name and add a newline at the end of the file
[19:25] <apachelogger> stdin: please don't exceed 80 characters in Build-Depends
[19:26] <stdin> apachelogger: I changed that already because I knew you'd say that :)
[19:26] <apachelogger> debian/copyright: line32: GNU/GPL should be GNU GPL
[19:26] <apachelogger> stdin: okay ;-)
[19:26] <stdin> and that :)
[19:26] <apachelogger> we are getting somewhere
[19:27]  * apachelogger updates pbuilder
[19:28] <stdin> and you'll have a new kfax to look at in about 2 mins
[19:28] <apachelogger> sweet :D
[19:33] <cheguevara> yay for making iwl3945 work with 2.6.24
[19:35] <cheguevara> apachelogger, so what do you think is best, just get rid of the watch file or fix it up
[19:35] <apachelogger> cheguevara: get rid of get-orig-source, fix the watch file :P
[19:36] <apachelogger> latter just needs a nu line
[19:36] <cheguevara> kk min
[19:36] <apachelogger> stdin: why did you change the description from KDE4 to KDE?
[19:36] <cheguevara> i'll keep the copyright notice to make the nazis happy :P
[19:36] <apachelogger> cheguevara: we decided to not use the term nazi anymore, we are now talking about pedantic motus :P
[19:37] <cheguevara> yeah sounds more politically correct :P
[19:37] <jpatrick> cheguevara: kmldonkey-kde4 got rejected, no idea why
[19:37] <apachelogger> jpatrick: requested by him
[19:38] <jpatrick> ah right
[19:38] <apachelogger> should be good to advocate again
[19:38] <stdin> apachelogger: bah, I accidentally removed the description so I just copy+paste from the kde3 version
[19:38] <cheguevara> its all a plot :P
[19:38] <apachelogger> gotta check kfax fist though
[19:38] <cheguevara> hold on with kmldonkey 'cause I added the damn get-orig-source to there as well I think
[19:38] <apachelogger> stdin: just readd, I'm doing finally check right now
[19:39] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[19:39] <apachelogger> stdin: some issue with the tarball
[19:39] <apachelogger> COPYINGs seem to have a 1970's timestamp
[19:39] <apachelogger> please investigate
[19:39] <cheguevara> lol
[19:39] <stdin> heh, that's odd
[19:40] <apachelogger> stdin: debian/changelog: line3: bug should be (LP: #xxxxx) it doesn't get marked as fixed automagically without the #
[19:40] <stdin> I thought I added that
[19:40] <apachelogger> maybe ye forgot to save
[19:41] <apachelogger> or maybe it got lost in the time travel from 1970 to $today :P
[19:42] <apachelogger> stdin: debian/copyright: line63 missing ` at the very end of the URL quote
[19:42] <apachelogger> apart from that it is advocatable
[19:43] <apachelogger> cheguevara: I guess you just copied the install/ktorrent-kde4:: bit?
[19:44] <cheguevara> yeah from stdin's kfax
[19:44] <apachelogger> stdin: I guess you just copied as well?
[19:44] <cheguevara> ouch kmldonkey says ktorrent eh
[19:44] <apachelogger> hum
[19:44] <apachelogger> indeed
[19:44] <apachelogger> :P
[19:44] <stdin> apachelogger: yeah, from kdebase-kde4 :)
[19:45] <apachelogger> okay, was a theoretical question anyway, since kfax's files look good ;-)
[19:45] <apachelogger> cheguevara: you might also add a watch file to kmldonkey
[19:45] <cheguevara> yep oing it now :P
[19:45] <cheguevara> *doing
[19:47] <apachelogger> stdin: please also adapt kopete-crypt to latest knowledge ;-)
[19:47]  * apachelogger checks ktorrent meanwhile
[19:47] <cheguevara> there's a new one in incoming/
[19:48] <apachelogger> hooray
[19:48]  * apachelogger starts with the color thing then
[19:48] <cheguevara> hold on with that also
[19:48] <cheguevara> let me get rid of the get-orig-source
[19:49] <apachelogger> meh -.-
[19:49]  * apachelogger goes for a cigarette
[19:49] <cheguevara> lol
[19:50] <apachelogger> cheguevara: btw, date string in copyright and changelog of the color thingy don't match :P
[19:50] <cheguevara> you just had to tell me that right after i pressed enter to dput
[19:50] <cheguevara> :P
[19:51] <cheguevara> kmldonkey and ktorrent up for review
[19:52]  * cheguevara pokes jpatrick also :P
[19:53] <jpatrick> cheguevara: have to do some other stuff first, but I'll poke it later
[19:53] <cheguevara> thanks :P
[19:57] <apachelogger> cheguevara: Description: BitTorrent client for KDE4 <-- four!!! :P
[19:58] <cheguevara> apachelogger, s/KDE4/KDE 4/ ?
[19:58] <apachelogger> s/KDE/KDE4
[19:58] <cheguevara> oh right
[19:58] <apachelogger> also remove DEBIAN_DIR from rules
[19:58] <apachelogger> isn't needed anymore
[19:58] <cheguevara> oh crap
[19:58] <cheguevara> duh
[19:59] <cheguevara> anything else in ktorrent
[19:59] <apachelogger> nope
[20:00] <apachelogger> Description: KDE GUI for MLDonkey <- also a four missing there
[20:00] <cheguevara> yeah
[20:01]  * apachelogger builds kmldonkey
[20:02] <apachelogger> cheguevara: copyright's and changelog's date string still don't match
[20:03] <apachelogger> remove DEBIAN_DIR from it's debian/rules
[20:03] <cheguevara> must've not saved something
[20:06] <cheguevara> nice all 3 of my packages are in incoming
[20:06] <cheguevara> :P
[20:07] <cheguevara> apachelogger, in which package datest dont match
[20:07] <apachelogger> hm
[20:07] <apachelogger> I'd say
[20:07] <apachelogger> flood
[20:07] <apachelogger> cheguevara: kcolorthingy
[20:07] <cheguevara> yeah thats in incoming
[20:08] <cheguevara> quickly added a 4 there as well
[20:08] <cheguevara> before you complain :P
[20:08] <cheguevara> stdin, i am taking kphotoalbum next btw
[20:08]  * apachelogger notes that cheguevara already has 1 package more than stdin :P
[20:09] <apachelogger> cheguevara: maybe get something from kde-apps ;-)
[20:09] <cheguevara> might as well finish extragear
[20:09] <stdin> apachelogger: you forget the rest of kde4 :p
[20:10] <cheguevara> then at least when the final is out all we have to do is bump
[20:10] <apachelogger> pfft
[20:10] <apachelogger> tha real geeks use an hourly compiled  source :P
[20:10] <cheguevara> lol
[20:10] <cheguevara> all 3 packages out of incoming btw
[20:12] <apachelogger> now
[20:12] <nixternal> shoot, up until a week or so ago, I had my desktop svn up and go through the directories and build every day
[20:12] <apachelogger> who is going to log me in?
[20:13] <nixternal> I have since stopped that
[20:13] <apachelogger> my kwallet on kde3 somehow won't start -.-
[20:13] <apachelogger> nixternal: this really should be automated and put in a cron ;-)
[20:13] <nixternal> that is how I had it
[20:13] <cheguevara> i wonder why i suddenly have no sound in kde 4
[20:14] <apachelogger> b0rked
[20:14] <apachelogger> everything is b0rked
[20:14] <cheguevara> do we have kmixer for kde 4
[20:14] <apachelogger> ah
[20:14] <apachelogger> there is my password
[20:14] <apachelogger> wooohooo
[20:14]  * apachelogger logs in
[20:14] <apachelogger> cheguevara: should be in kdemultimedia
[20:15] <apachelogger> cheguevara: ktorrent advocated
[20:15] <cheguevara> why the hell would i want a comic strip on my desktop....
[20:15] <cheguevara> thanks apachelogger
[20:15] <apachelogger> cheguevara: for reading maybe :P
[20:16] <cheguevara> yeah but out of all the useful plasmoids that should take priority, they code a comic strip...
[20:17] <apachelogger> cheguevara: which plasmoids would that be?
[20:17] <cheguevara> i knew that was coming
[20:17] <cheguevara> :P
[20:17] <apachelogger> btw, any plasmoid is a good code example :P
[20:17] <apachelogger> kmldonkey +1 aswell
[20:18] <apachelogger> ha!
[20:18] <cheguevara> "i can has desktop iconz?"
[20:18] <cheguevara> :P
[20:18]  * jpatrick dislikes desktop icons
[20:18] <apachelogger> kcolor -> debian/control: line15 exceeds 80 characters
[20:18] <apachelogger> muahahahahahahaa
[20:18] <cheguevara> oh noes
[20:19] <cheguevara> so close :p
[20:19] <cheguevara> apachelogger, second line of description right?
[20:20] <apachelogger> yes
[20:20] <apachelogger> well
[20:20] <apachelogger> we call it long description :P
[20:20] <apachelogger> which doesn't necessarily mean the line has to be long
[20:20] <cheguevara> yeah yeah :P
[20:21] <apachelogger> stdin: note about changed orig.tar.gz missing in kopete-crypt
[20:22]  * apachelogger is wondering why it build-deps on kdepim-kde4
[20:22] <stdin> don't know, but cmake told me it needed it when I ran it through pbuild
[20:22] <jpatrick> it needs a kopete header file thingy?
[20:23] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:23] <apachelogger> jpatrick: why would that be in kdepim?
[20:23] <apachelogger> stdin: kopete-crypt also got the 1970's issue
[20:23] <jpatrick> apachelogger: maybe intergation with something
[20:24] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[20:24] <apachelogger> oh, with the kleopatra thingy maybe
[20:24]  * apachelogger checks
[20:27] <apachelogger> hm
[20:27] <apachelogger> indeed
[20:27] <apachelogger> very strange, but may it be
[20:27] <apachelogger> stdin: btw, very good work on the desktopfile/wrapper script, I didn't even think about that :)
[20:28] <stdin> well this is a GPG plugin, that does sound like it's in the realm of pim
[20:28] <stdin> thanks :)
[20:28] <ScottK> stdin: What are you building?
[20:29] <stdin> kopete-cryptography from extragear
[20:29] <apachelogger> there is probably just a conspiracy between kopete and kdepim to promote each other's software :P
[20:30] <cheguevara> lol
[20:30] <ScottK> IIRC Kleopatra is just used for S/MIME, so there should be no need for that.
[20:30] <cheguevara> fixed kcoloredit up
[20:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: nope, cmake doesn't want to build without kdepim
[20:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm not disgreeing, I just don't think Kleopatra would be the reason.
[20:31] <ScottK> Of course I've just looked at KDE3, so mabe the KDE4 version does more.  Dunno.
[20:31] <apachelogger> well there is at least some gpg interaction thingy in kdepim
[20:31] <apachelogger> used for kmail
[20:32] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdepim/libkpgp/
[20:35] <iRon> Is there any guide/policy how to create proper patch files? I've done with user disk mounting.. So, this is not all what I need to do, but you could start testing it.. ;-)
[20:36] <jpatrick> iRon: I'd upload it somewhere and poke Riddell about it :)
[20:37] <iRon> jpatrick: so, i need just to do diff.. ?
[20:38] <jpatrick> yes
[20:38] <iRon> ok
[20:38] <stdin> "diff -u orig new"
[20:38] <jpatrick> diff -Nurp orig.file new.file
[20:39] <stdin> if you want to be complicated :p
[20:40] <apachelogger> meh
[20:41] <apachelogger> stdin: there are also lgpl files
[20:41] <stdin> in kopete-cryptography or kfax?
[20:41] <apachelogger> kopete
[20:41] <apachelogger> stdin: ok, please add
[20:42] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=749771
[20:43] <cheguevara> apachelogger, you got kde svn commit access?
[20:44] <cheguevara> oh yeah amarok
[20:44] <cheguevara> nm :P
[20:44] <apachelogger> cheguevara: I'm probably more active in downstream than I am here :P
[20:44] <apachelogger> s/downstream/upstream
[20:44]  * apachelogger also could use some sleep
[20:45] <cheguevara> check "color thingy" (tm) first :P
[20:45] <apachelogger> I'm at kfax right now :P
[20:49] <apachelogger> stdin: kfax advocated
[20:49] <stdin> new kopete-cryptography should be there in a min too :)
[20:51] <iRon> jpatrick: Files that I've changed already has some debian patches. So, what do you mean by "orig"? One with applied debian patch, or one from original kdebase sources?
[20:51] <stdin> dang, copying and copying.doc are still from the '70s
[20:51] <apachelogger> cheguevara: color thingy advocated
[20:51] <apachelogger> stdin: strange, I think your filesystem is b0rked :P
[20:52] <stdin> apachelogger: nah, it's because I used konqueror's svn:/ ioslave to get them
[20:52] <cheguevara> apachelogger, thank you
[20:52] <jpatrick> iRon: hmm, well, just see if they apply and deapply properly together and it should be fine
[20:52] <apachelogger> stdin: touch COPYING COPYING.DOC
[20:52] <apachelogger> stdin: +cryptography_export.h - GNU GPL version 2 or later
[20:52] <apachelogger> forgot the L ;-)
[20:52] <apachelogger> hm
[20:53] <apachelogger> the L Word :P
[20:53] <mhb> Love?
[20:53] <apachelogger> stdin: oh and touch COPYING.LIB I guess
[20:53] <mhb> LaTeX?
[20:53] <apachelogger> mhb: I never pointed that out
[20:53]  * mhb wonders which one he likes better.
[20:53] <apachelogger> oh
[20:53] <apachelogger> omg
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I think you Love Latex..
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> :D
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> ummm yeah, wait... that sounded. wrong.
[20:54] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:54] <cheguevara> haha
[20:54] <jpatrick> eh..
[20:54] <apachelogger> stdin: you added the COPYING.LIB to the diff not to the orig.tar
[20:55] <stdin> apachelogger: yeah I've fixed that and uploaded
[20:55] <apachelogger> hoooray
[21:00] <jpatrick> iRon: put your patch in debian/patches and from the source package root do: "debian/rules apply-patches" and "debian/rules reverse-patches" and that should be enough to test
[21:00] <doc__> hi there
[21:00] <iRon> jpatrick: will do, thanks!
[21:01] <doc__> hi
[21:01] <jpatrick> iRon: another thing is that it works in binary later :)
[21:01] <jpatrick> what's up doc__ ?
[21:02] <doc__> nah
[21:04] <apachelogger> stdin: kopete-crypt advocated
[21:05] <apachelogger> finally
[21:05] <apachelogger> no more kde4 packages to revu :D
[21:05] <apachelogger> muhahahahahaa
[21:07] <cheguevara> :)
[21:11] <stdin> :D wooh
[21:11] <nixternal> awooga
[21:11] <nixternal> isn't that a JR thing
[21:14] <mhb> eh?
[21:14] <nixternal> the awooga
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> hmmm should we use the kconfig backend for compiz? the flat file one seems a lot easier
[21:16] <jpatrick> nixternal: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=awooga hmmm
[21:17] <nixternal> oh man, you are about as bad as matt east with that urban dictionary
[21:17] <nixternal> I call everyone a home skillet, and he freakin' found it in that
[21:17] <nixternal> I thought I was original
[21:17] <nixternal> nope, just a fake, nothing new to see here people, move along
[21:18] <cheguevara> :P
[21:36] <cheguevara_> damn wifi
[21:40] <ilia_k> hi, cheguevara
[21:40] <CheGuevara> hey ilia_k
[21:40] <CheGuevara> how is it going
[21:40] <stdin> don't you just hate it when *every* PC in the house decides to go wrong at the same time, and you're the *only* person that can fix them...
[21:41] <ilia_k> fine!
[21:41] <ilia_k> you know, several bug I've reported to KDE was already fixed in SVN
[21:41] <CheGuevara> ilia_k, like which ones
[21:42] <ilia_k> CheGuevara: I'm checking...
[21:44] <CheGuevara> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 2.3 FTBFS again
[21:44] <CheGuevara> lol
[21:46] <iRon> My patch works fine with debian/rules apply-patch/reverse-patch.. Where could I upload it? I've no personal http/ftp server yet :)
[21:47] <CheGuevara><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:47] <CheGuevara> i'll upload it for you
[21:47] <stdin> report a bug and attach it
[21:47] <CheGuevara> or that
[21:47] <CheGuevara> :P
[21:47] <jpatrick> iRon: file a bug at Launchpad and attach it
[21:48] <iRon> jpatrick: ok.. i guess i need to read KubuntuTutorialsDay logs :)
[21:49] <ilia_k> CheGuevara, these are duplicates:
[21:49] <ilia_k> kde bug 154093
[21:49] <ilia_k> kde bug 154144
[21:49] <ilia_k> But these still not fixed:
[21:49] <ilia_k> kde bug 154098
[21:49] <ilia_k> kde bug 154095
[21:49] <ubotu> KDE bug 154093 in general ""enable flow control using Ctrl+S, Ctrl+Q" option does not work" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154093
[21:49] <ubotu> KDE bug 154144 in general "Ctrl+Shift+Insert no longer works in Konsole" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154144
[21:49] <ubotu> KDE bug 154098 in ftp "bugs in ftp protocol handler, when using proxy" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154098
[21:49] <ubotu> KDE bug 154095 in http ""Could not connect to host Proxy  at port -1" message is displayed when proxy is not defined for HTTPS" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154095
[21:49] <ilia_k> good boy, ubotu ::)
[21:50] <ilia_k> CheGuevara:  I thought, is it possible to build locally packages for SVN version?
[21:51] <ilia_k> so I won't report alredy fixed things
[21:51] <CheGuevara> yeah you can build from svn, there are instructions on kde tech wiki for that
[21:51] <CheGuevara> or
[21:51] <CheGuevara> http://dot.kde.org/1195829316/
[21:51] <CheGuevara> this might be useful
[21:53] <ilia_k> KDE4Daily looks interesting, I'll try it
[21:53] <ilia_k> you know, installing kde4 from PPA break my KDE3 :(
[21:53] <ilia_k> all things, which are related to MIME
[21:55] <ilia_k> for example, Kopete just crashed :(
[21:55] <ilia_k> (it not MIME related, though)
[21:56] <ilia_k> Is there a way to fix MIME types for KDE3 without removing KDE4?
[22:07] <CheGuevara> ilia_k, i am not really sure, because I don't have any problems with kde 3
[22:07] <CheGuevara> but i use hardy
[22:07] <CheGuevara> stdin might be able to tell you more
[22:08] <ilia_k> CheGuevara:  in any case, I'll try KDE4daily, it may be a workaround
[22:09] <stdin> make sure you've installed the updates
[22:09] <stdin> I uploaded the fix the other day and packages have been out for a while
[22:12] <Tm_T> laa
[22:20] <jpatrick> sii
[22:26] <iRon> jpatrick: #177036
[22:27] <wolfger> bug #177036
[22:27] <Tm_T> ubotu: bug
[22:27] <Tm_T> oh boy
[22:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177036 in kdebase "unable to mount hard disks which are not already mounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177036
[22:27] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[22:27] <CheGuevara> laggy
[22:28] <stdin> !lag
[22:28] <jpatrick> considering the number of channels it's on...
[22:28] <ubotu> You have lag, I don't have lag
[22:28]  * stdin hugs ubotu
[22:29] <CheGuevara> lol
[22:30] <jpatrick> iRon: nice, now wait for Riddell to review
[22:31] <iRon> if he confirms, i'll need to finish it..
[22:32] <iRon> oh, and what to do with i18n? there is some text messages in code..
[22:33] <iRon> is there any policy for such things?
[22:33] <jpatrick> i18n("string") - i think
[22:36] <iRon> what about "message freezes" like in http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Localization/i18n_Challenges
[22:36] <iRon> do i need to report to translation teams?
[22:37] <jpatrick> iRon: we still have some time for ours: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyReleaseSchedule - and LP should pick up the translations itself
[22:52] <Tm_T> kay: welcome
[22:53] <kay> hello, is someone in here who can trigger rebuild of adept?
[22:53] <Tm_T> yes here is someone
[22:54] <kay> due to some upgrade of apt, adept and therefore kubuntu-desktop are broken in hardy alpha right now
[22:54] <cheguevara_> yeah we know
[22:54] <cheguevara_> it can't be rebuilt until new libept is there
[22:54] <cheguevara_> and it FTBFS right now
[22:55] <kay> FTBFS?
[22:55] <cheguevara_> fails to build from source
[22:55] <Tm_T> Failed To Build From Source
[22:55] <cheguevara_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libept/0.5.11ubuntu1/
[22:55] <kay> ah ...
[22:56] <kay> ok, justed wanted to know somebody is aware of this
[22:56] <Tm_T> kay: thanks :)
[22:56] <cheguevara_> thanks :)
[22:58] <mhb> hmm, KDE4 still not good enough to my liking.
[22:58] <kay> why is libept broken?
[22:58] <mhb> it couldn't even place the desktop icons right.
[22:58] <cheguevara_> because it fails tests
[22:58] <cheguevara_> see http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10901016/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.libept_0.5.11ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:02] <yuriy> what's a desktop icon? :P
[23:05] <kay> thanks for the response, bye
[23:38] <blizzzek> what can i do to get the keyboard shortcuts back in kde4 (from ppa kubuntu-member-kde4)? somehow every profile is empty, but i cannot imagine which change lead to that :-/


[15:42] <arscariosus> mga sir
[15:42] <arscariosus> paano nakakakuha ng magandang cloak?
[16:27] <Terminus> arscariosus: if you're affiliated with a project, you can get one. otherwise, ask a freenode staffer for an unaffiliated cloak.
[16:28] <zakame> hi hi
[16:28] <Terminus> heya zakame. what's new?
[16:35] <zakame> CDs have arrived
[16:35] <zakame> I'll just make a count of them and get them shipped to requestors
[16:38] <Terminus> nice. i've been giving 12.04 a whirl and so far it's ok. been digging up the bugs.
[16:39] <zakame> hehehe
[16:39] <zakame> I haven't been on 12.04 though for close to a month now
[16:39] <Terminus> i also got tired of my old mushy keyboard so i splurged on a keyboard with mechanical switches. =D
[16:39] <zakame> since getting a new personal laptop
[16:39] <zakame> yeah I saw on fb
[16:40]  * zakame thinking of sniping that model m replica he saw on ebay.ph earlier
[16:40] <Terminus> i haven't even been on 12.04 for a month yet. i waited till it was released then i added it to my debmirror config.
[16:40] <zakame> hehehe
[16:42] <Terminus> haha. i've been dreaming of a realforce or hhk2 keyboard but i don't think i can justify $300 to $500 on a keyboard right now. shipping a leopold would be expensive as well. found the blackwidow and the price wasn't too far off the razer store so i decided to just go and get it.
[16:42] <Terminus> i stuffed a centos 6 vm with zimbra on my 12.04 install earlier. thought it could handle it. nope. brought my box to a crawl.
[16:42] <zakame> hehehe
[16:43] <zakame> still depends on my unlaziness... I'm so used to chiclet keyboards now
[16:43] <zakame> over libvirt?
[16:44] <Terminus> after using the blackwidow, my macbook's chiclet keyboard started feeling mushy. >_<
[16:44] <Terminus> nah... vmware player. i haven't tried kvm yet.
[16:44] <zakame> ah
[16:45] <Terminus> the problem was, i was running it on an i3-2100 with 4GB ram. XD
[16:45] <zakame> hehehe
[16:45] <Terminus> i tried my hand at stock market trading as well. it's addicting. haha
[16:46] <zakame> for real?
[16:46] <zakame> or those simulators?
[16:47] <Terminus> zakame: yeah. i opened a trading account with BPI. i did my first buy order earlier. made triple what i put in at the end of march.
[16:47] <Terminus> by yeah i mean for real. hehe
[16:47] <zakame> ooh
[16:47] <zakame> ncie
[16:47] <zakame> *nice
[16:47] <Terminus> errr... first sell order i mean.
[16:48] <Terminus> i plan to buy the same stock again when the price goes down. i think it peaked earlier.
[16:48] <zakame> hehehe
[16:49] <zakame> my aunt was encouraging me to do the same, I'll probably go for it later in the year
[16:49] <Terminus> this is the nice thing about being the sysad. unrestricted internet connection so i can trade during office hours. the majority of the office has net connections blocked. hehe
[16:49] <zakame> hehehe
[16:50] <Terminus> BPI has been pretty convenient so far. only need two accounts. one has a maintaining balance of 3000, the other, 500 so low overhead.
[16:51] <zakame> ooh
[16:51] <zakame> so you're doing the brokering yourself?
[16:53] <Terminus> well, technically BPI is the broker but i'm the one posting the buy and sell orders. just input stock symbol, volume, and price and if there's a match, PSE will approve the transaction. happens in a second according to the timestamps.
[16:53] <zakame> ah
[16:53] <Terminus> i'm using https://www.bpitrade.com/
[16:55] <zakame> nice
[16:57] <zakame> i haven't had a bpi account in ages
[16:59] <Terminus> i've never had a bpi account till now. hehe
[16:59] <zakame> hehe
[16:59] <zakame> that was my first bank account as a kid back in the 90s
[17:00] <zakame> never was serious about it though, so I ended up closing it
[17:01] <zakame> brb
[17:30] <zakame> back
[17:35] <Terminus> wb. =)
[17:37] <zakame> hehe
[17:38] <Terminus> had to put the gf to bed.


[00:45] <rneese> hey guys
[00:45] <rneese> we are building a new arm64 install based on ubuntu/debian
[00:46] <rneese> I need to output a dpkg -l but with only the file installed with out the version mbr and such
[00:46] <rneese> I just want the list of files so we can merge with our install
[00:47] <rneese> this is armbian os we are using wich is ubuntu and or debian
[00:52] <leftyfb> rneese: your question is not an ubuntu support question. Try #debian or #armbian.
[00:54] <rneese> no the question is how to make dpkg output the list from the iso for ubuntu dde
[00:54] <rneese> just pkg names only
[00:56] <leftyfb> rneese: apt list --installed|awk -F/ '{print $1}'  # this will give you a list of all the packages installed on your ubuntu install
[00:58] <rneese> ok tanks
[00:59] <leftyfb> rneese: someone trying to create their own distro should know some basic shell scripting
[01:35] <arooni_team_b> hey team; trying to mount a samba network file drive; but running into trouble with "sudo mount -t cifs -o sec=none "
[01:36] <arooni_team_b>  sudo mount -t cifs -o guest //<IP_ADDRESS> /media/HardDriveArooni;; rather ; getting "mount error(22): Invalid argument"
[01:36] <Chuckfu> ok trying to add this to the ~/.bashrc  export PATH $MINDSROOT=/home/kdmiller45/minds and get the error -bash: export: `=/home/kdmiller45/minds/': not a valid identifier
[01:44] <Chuckfu> can anyone help with that question
[01:56] <pavlos> Chuckfu: export MINDSROOT=/home/kdmiller45/minds       then echo $MINDSROOT should give you that path
[02:00] <pavlos> arooni_team_b: I do not see an exported share after //<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:00] <arooni_team_b> do i need one?
[02:00] <arooni_team_b> router doesnt seem to indicate what the name of the shar eis
[02:01] <pavlos> your samba server <IP_ADDRESS> should have a section at the end [myshare] path = ... guest ok = yes
[02:01] <pavlos> then it should be in the doc of the router what is the default share
[02:04] <arooni_team_b> ah ha;  didnt know that;  i need to create a network share first
[02:04] <arooni_team_b> not sure how to format the drive for use with linksys
[02:04] <pavlos> format the external drive as ntfs so that linux,win clients can access
[02:05] <pavlos> if you have only linux, ext4 is ok
[02:07] <arooni_team_b> apparently linksys only supports fat32 or ntfs
[02:07] <arooni_team_b> so i need to do ntfs i suppose
[02:19] <pavlos> arooni_team_b: example: sudo mount -t cifs -o username=John,password=********,vers=1.0 //<IP_ADDRESS>/Seagate /media/drive/
[02:56] <UbuntuLostUser> I tried joining #ubuntu-helpteam. I have a question about an issue I have with fresh install of ubuntu on a new laptop that had windows 10. Its only showing half my hard drive. Is this the appropriate channel?
[02:56] <Chuckfu>    @pavlos thank you had to leave for a while
[03:03] <Bashing-om> UbuntuLostUser: Sure, this is a good place to ask. Pastebin ' sudo parted -l ' so we see what there is to work with.
[03:03] <UbuntuLostUser> Model: ATA Hitachi HTS72321 (scsi)Disk /dev/sda: 160GBSector size (logical/physical): 512B/512BPartition Table: msdosDisk Flags: Number  Start  End  Size  Type  File system  FlagsModel: Linux device-mapper (linear) (dm)Disk /dev/mapper/vgubuntu-root: 158GBSector size (logical/physical): 512B/512BPartition Table: loopDisk Flags: Number  Start  End
[03:03] <UbuntuLostUser> Size   File system  Flags 1      0,00B  158GB  158GB  ext4Error: /dev/mapper/vgubuntu-swap_1: unrecognised disk labelModel: Linux device-mapper (linear) (dm)                                  Disk /dev/mapper/vgubuntu-swap_1: 1023MBSector size (logical/physical): 512B/512BPartition Table: unknownDisk Flags: Error: /dev/mapper/sda6_crypt:
[03:03] <UbuntuLostUser> unrecognised disk labelModel: Linux device-mapper (crypt) (dm)                                   Disk /dev/mapper/sda6_crypt: 159GBSector size (logical/physical): 512B/512BPartition Table: unknownDisk Flags:
[03:04] <Bashing-om> !paste | UbuntuLostUser
[03:04] <UbuntuLostUser> oh pastebin. wow. im sorry. im such an idiot
[03:04] <Bashing-om> UbuntuLostUser: All in the process of learning - even IRC :P
[03:04] <UbuntuLostUser> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VtxKHDxv4s/
[03:06] <UbuntuLostUser> Ive been going crazy. This laptop started off with Windows 10. I tried to put Kali linux on here and noticed its not as friendly as Ubuntu and I decided to get rid of it. Well i noticed that it wiped over my Windows 10 so I just installed Ubuntu over everything. It shows only half my hard drive =/. Thank you in advance everyone I have been trying
[03:06] <UbuntuLostUser> to fix this for over 8 hours
[03:07] <Bashing-om> UbuntuLostUser: Sorry - I do not know encryption. others here will have to aid.
[03:08] <UbuntuLostUser> I appreciate the attempt at least. Im open minded to anything really. Was wondering if there was a way to install some program on my flash drive that would wipe everything completely clean on my entire hard drive.
[03:09] <Bashing-om> UbuntuLostUser: In the installer of ubuntu is "wipe disk and install ububntu". Will do exactly that.
[03:09] <UbuntuLostUser> When I do that it only shows half my hard drive 160 gb when I have 320gb.
[03:11] <UbuntuLostUser> Did a reinstall 2 different times with Ubuntu and the second time i tried encryption and to wipe over empty space
[03:11] <Bashing-om> UbuntuLostUser: "sudo wipefs /dev/sda". Note that you should not just trust me that that command is safe (even though it is), you should run "man wipefs" and confirm for yourself that the command will just list all visible filesystems (and in this case, RAID metadata) and their offsets.
[03:13] <UbuntuLostUser> You seem like a trusting person :)  . So by typing this it will fix my issue you believe? I have a lot to learn but I am eager to learn I just need to get this running from my morning python lessons :/
[03:16] <Bashing-om> UbuntuLostUser: Will not fix - info as to the why the drive shows as 160 GB. Maybe the system is not lyeing ?
[03:17] <UbuntuLostUser> Well initially i had 320 gb and i partitioned my drive into 2 sections. Half of it was supposed to be Windows 10 for work but it disappeared. Dont see it on boot or anything. Also my paperwork shows 320gb
[03:17] <UbuntuLostUser> I bought a new laptop for work and decided this is going to be my linux only machine
[03:18] <SCHAPiE> Why doesn't work pay for the machine?
[03:18] <SCHAPiE> *the company
[03:19] <UbuntuLostUser> Thats a good question. They probably would have but i panicked and got a new one. This has all happened today. Now im just trying to salvage this machine in hopes that its not forever a half drive laptop lol
[03:20] <UbuntuLostUser> yesterday*
[03:20] <Bashing-om> UbuntuLostUser: Reasonabe then that the partition table is hosed - Nothing on the table to reflect the missing 160 GB. But again, I do not know encryption :(
[03:21] <UbuntuLostUser> Ugh.. *smashes head on keyboard*. Give it to me to lose half a hard drive in some crazy fashion haha. I hope someone can guide me on this. You would be doing me a huge favor.
[03:22] <UbuntuLostUser> I tried going to safe mode in shell and still cant find it. Tried every command i could duckduckgo
[03:22] <Bashing-om> UbuntuLostUser: We are here to help. Pastebin that "wipefs" output for a place to start the looking.
[03:23] <UbuntuLostUser> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gBMk7qh9Pp/
[03:24] <Bashing-om> UbuntuLostUser: ^^ "sudo wipefs /dev/sda"
[03:25] <CarlFK> UbuntuLostUser: do you want to also boot into Win?
[03:26] <UbuntuLostUser> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/snCgBnF4VP/
[03:26] <UbuntuLostUser> Definitely not. I want windows off of here. I only want this beautiful distro called Ubuntu on here. Nothing more nothing less
[03:28] <pavlos> can you pastebin this ... sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[03:29] <UbuntuLostUser> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M8DNhg27W2/
[03:29] <CarlFK> Hitachi HTS72321 seems to be a 160gig drive
[03:31] <pavlos> are you see the disk was 320 GB ... the model as CarlFK wrote is 160 GB
[03:31] <pavlos>  change see to sure
[03:32] <UbuntuLostUser> ....wow.. I bought this refurbished pc from Rakuten. It shows 360gb on the paperwork. I could have sworn initially it said 320gb when i partitioned it
[03:33] <UbuntuLostUser> ohhh... they ripped me off. wow
[03:33] <UbuntuLostUser> I have a HP Elitebook 8460p corei5 vpro
[03:34] <CarlFK> that implies intent.  good chance someone said "paperwork says 320, charge that much" ;)
[03:35] <CarlFK> UbuntuLostUser: good news (really) you have a SSD
[03:35] <CarlFK> https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02753879  " Solid state drive:    128/160GB   "
[03:35] <CarlFK> Ill take a 160 ssd over a 320 spinny disk any day
[03:36] <CarlFK> go give Rakuten a thank you card ;)
[03:36] <UbuntuLostUser> lol i have so much to learn ><
[03:37] <UbuntuLostUser> I appreciate you all for helping me. So basically 160ssd beats a 320 any day eh? Originally they were supposed to send a Lenovot420 LT Core i52-5.Ghz, 4gb ram, 320gb HDD. So your telling me that this 160 ssd is better ?
[03:38] <pavlos> yes, ssd's are much faster than spinning disks (hdd)
[03:38] <CarlFK> ssd is electronics, no moving parts.  think memory or SD card.  so it is fast and no motor, so doesn't need as much battery
[03:40] <UbuntuLostUser> Less space though unfortunately. I guess i dont need much space plus i do got a 128gb 3.1 flash drive so i guess im good
[03:40] <UbuntuLostUser> Im glad there isnt half my hard drive taken up at least. Had me worried for security purposes.
[03:42] <pavlos> a 120GB SSD on eBay goes for about $20-25
[03:46] <CarlFK> https://www.hitachivantara.com/en-us/products.html  if someone can find model number Hitachi HTS72321
[04:00] <CarlFK> the laptop came with a 160 gig ssd, but I think someone swapped it for a 160g spinny
[05:53] <luiserebii> Hello, I'm on Ubuntu 20.04, with GNOME. My Caps Lock and left Shift key spontaneously stopped working. Is there some way to diagnose this issue?
[05:56] <tuxakadjseb> Is it the same in several softwares ? And a terminal ?
[06:01] <luiserebii> Yup, appears to be consistent everywhere
[06:01] <luiserebii> I tested this in Firefox, the terminal, and a GUI text editor
[06:02] <luiserebii> Ahhh, the key that corresponds to the Windows icon also does not register. Forgot to mention.
[06:03] <luiserebii> So that makes three keys: Caps Lock, left Shift, and the Windows key.
[06:16] <Maik> keyboard dying?
[06:17] <tuxakadjseb> You can clean those three keys.
[06:23] <luiserebii> I would hope not... they seem to work fine for a brief moment when I'm turning on the computer...?
[06:25] <Maik> could still be possible, maybe the contacts ar dirty
[06:25] <Maik> ar/are
[06:26] <luiserebii> I suppose so. I have to admit that I've never cleaned a keyboard before, I'll check out some guides online
[06:27] <Maik> is it a usb keyboard or is it one on a laptop?
[06:28] <luiserebii> Laptop keyboard
[06:30] <Maik> if you have a usb keyboard or maybe even a bluetooth keyboard you could test and see if it works. If so then there's a issue with the keyboard on the laptop.
[06:30] <luiserebii> I do; I'll try that now
[06:32] <luiserebii> The keys work perfectly on the usb keyboard... things might be grim for my laptop keyboard maybe
[06:32] <Maik> I have a lenovo on which my son spilled some milk on years ago by accident, i cleaned it as good as possible but there are still some issues with a few keys. I gues in need to try some contact spray to clean out the leftovers.
[06:36] <luiserebii> The thing that had changed with this laptop, was mainly that the adapter had stopped working seemingly
[06:37] <luiserebii> so I stopped using it for around a week or two until the new adapter arrived in the mail.
[06:37] <luiserebii> Now that I've booted back into it, it's having this issue
[06:37] <luiserebii> It seems to be the only thing that changed that I'm aware of
[06:41] <Maik> adapter as in power supply?
[06:41] <Maik> if so let's hope it's the right one
[06:59] <luiserebii> yup, power supply, sorry for the delay
[07:00] <luiserebii> it does seem to work, anyways
[07:11] <Maik> luiserebii: if i'm not mistaken a wrong power supply can damage a computer due excessive voltage, insufficient voltage and wrong polarity.
[07:11] <Maik> that's what i've been told once
[07:13] <Maik> anyway, i'm off to bed. See you all later. :)
[07:54] <diverdude> Will this command not look into DOT files (like .env.dev) ? find . -iname "*" -type f -exec grep -Hni "DJANGO_CORS_ORIGIN_WHITELIST" {} \;
[08:07] <bodsda> diverdude: yeah, seems to work fine with dotfiles - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MWBtgg7xqy/
[08:07] <diverdude> thx
[11:10] <topoi> Hello folks. Is there some ubuntu touch channel?
[11:31] <jeremy31> topoi: #ubuntu-touch
[11:47] <osse> 7
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:59] <Artabasdos> Hi, Does anyone know how to fix the bug with the "Removable Media" section in the Settings not remembering your settings?
[16:59] <Artabasdos> It keeps automatically switching to the first thing in the application list...
[17:00] <Maik> Artabasdos: which Ubuntu?
[17:00] <Artabasdos> 20.04.1
[17:00] <Artabasdos> fully updated
[17:02] <Artabasdos> I;m guessing it's a gconf setting or something, but Google has been no help.
[17:02] <Artabasdos> It has happened after a reinstall too.
[17:03] <Maik> I couldn't find anything yet on the web about the matter. Maybe it's best to file a bug report on launchpad.
[17:04] <Artabasdos> Given I don't know what is exactly glitching, I', not sure the report would be much use
[17:04] <Artabasdos> i'm*
[17:06] <Maik> every report with sufficient info is usefull otherwise, IF it's a bug, the devs can fix it
[17:07] <Artabasdos> It's the sufficent info I'm worried about.
[17:07] <Artabasdos> I don't know what logs would be required.
[17:09] <Maik> please don't PM, everything related to ubuntu and bug reporting can be asked here. That's what these channels are for. :)
[17:09] <Artabasdos> ok, sorry.
[17:09] <Maik> when it comes to logs they'll let you know
[17:10] <Artabasdos> ok, i'll try my best. thanks
[17:12] <Artabasdos> er, how do i start a new bug reort?
[17:12] <Artabasdos> i'm not seeing an option
[17:12] <Artabasdos> report*
[17:13] <Maik> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[17:14] <Artabasdos> yeah, this is what i was afraid of
[17:14] <Artabasdos> i don't know the name of the application that's malfunctioning
[17:15] <Artabasdos> therefore i can't run the bug command
[17:15] <Maik> ok, np. Then wait until someone comes around to help you with the issue or come back later and ask again.
[17:16] <Artabasdos> nevermind, apparently i can run it with an open window
[17:16] <Artabasdos> thanks
[17:18] <Maik> so it's working... nice
[17:27] <Artabasdos> reported
[17:27] <Artabasdos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1896337
[17:42] <grubfailure> if i have an unresponsive kernel that doesn't allow me to ssh in, what other than mounting the drive to a working instance can I do to secure the instance? After mounting I tried purging the most recent image via chroot but it's still unresponsive
[17:44] <tomreyn> some more context may help here
[17:46] <tomreyn> you're running some (which?) ubuntu release which some (which?) kernel on a guest system on some (which kind of) virtualization and this system runs the default openssh server provided by this release (right?) but logging in remotely through ssh fails with an error message (which?).
[17:56] <grubfailure> 20.04
[17:56] <grubfailure> this is an aws ec2 instance
[18:05] <tomreyn> grubfailure: you could inspect the logs while you have the storage connected to the other, working, system. you could also install SSM on it, but that's a bit advanced, and more of a topic for ##aws
[18:27] <grubfailure> my concern is not really with stabilizing the kernel so much as getting a mysqldump and just terminating the troubled instance but I can't seem to login while chrooted
[18:41] <tomreyn> grubfailure: so you get an error message while you try to chroot into the 'broken' system which is mounted to the other system, with all needed virtual fiel systems mounted in advance?
[18:42] <grubfailure> no i can chroot into the mounted drive just fine, i just can't connect to mysql while chrooted
[18:52] <tomreyn> grubfailure: did you start the service, though? and did it start up fine?
[18:54] <tomreyn> any error messages there? are the distro and kernel you're running the same or similar?
[19:17] <laza> I just updated some packages on my ubuntu 20.04 machine. Before that the compose-key was displayed as a kind of infinity symbol and the sequence was displayed as well. Finally the entered characters were replaced by the composed character. Now nothing will be displayed, although using the compose key + sequence still works. But now nothing is shown. Why the change?
[19:19] <tomreyn> displayed where, by what?
[19:20] <tomreyn> which packages got updated?
[19:23] <grubfailure> i was able to get into mysql in chroot, but it's not to the mounted mysql, only the primary system
[19:29] <tomreyn> well, if you also run a mysql server on the main OS, you'll want to stop that before trying to start the on in the chroot
[19:30] <tomreyn> (or at least ensure they won't interfere with one another)
[19:31] <laza> tomreyn: where? anywhere I could enter text. what? so pressing the compose key inserted a small inifinity like symbol in the text area where I was just typing. Then eg pressing u would insert the character u after that little infinity symbol. Then eg pressing " would complete the sequence removing the little infinity symbol and the u and replacing both with the now composed char ü . This is now all not happening an
[19:31] <laza> ymore. I can enter the sequence of compose key, u, " and get a ü, but without the visual feedback that was there before.
[19:32] <grubfailure> the restrictions on chroot is the challenging part of this. i can't utilize systemctl to start mariadb on the chroot. it says ignored request
[19:34] <tomreyn> laza: hmm, i haven't seen this with the infinity symbol before, maybe that's a feature specific to your graphical desktop. i haven't run 20.04 much, though.
[19:35] <laza> tomreyn: This describes my situation pretty well: https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/eu3wim/how_to_configure_compose_key_visual_feedback/
[19:35] <tomreyn> grubfailure: this may be apparmor getting in the way. maybe you can just copy everything to a system configured the same way.
[19:36] <tomreyn> laza: do you have this on a tty as well?
[19:37] <tomreyn> on a proper, non virtual, terminal?
[19:38] <tomreyn> oh wait, you *used* to have the compose character, no longer have it, so you wont be able to tell now.
[19:39] <laza> tomreyn: To compose chars is a X11 feature (as far as I can tell)
[19:40] <laza> tomreyn: composing of chars still works. Only the visial feedback is missing now.
[19:40] <grubfailure> the web directory i copied the files just fine. it's the database that's the problem. i created a copy of /var/lib/mysql/database and moved it to a new instance but it's not recognizing it (yes, i changed the owner back to the mysql user). if i connect to the database itself i can physically see it but i get "table doesn't exist in engine" errors.
[19:40] <grubfailure> so I don't think a hard copy is really working which is why i was hoping to just get a dump
[19:41] <tomreyn> laza: hmm, yes, i think you'Re right it's X based. i don't think i'm able to help, really, other than by re-suggesting to review which packages got updated between when it worked and stopped working.
[19:43] <tomreyn> grubfailure: you'd need to copy all of /var/lib/mysql as well as /etc/mysql (or wherever the configuration for yours is stored) to the replacement system. and run the exact same mysql server version and variant (fork) there.
[19:44] <tomreyn> (a different patch level may be ok)
[19:44] <laza> tomreyn: thanks anyway. Is there a log or history which packages got updated lately on an ubuntu system. I did something like apt update && apt dist-upgrade and can't tell which packages got updated (around 30)
[19:44] <tomreyn> laza: /var/log/apt/
[19:45] <laza> tomreyn: thanks
[19:45] <tomreyn> also /var/log/unattended-upgrades/ if you have that
[19:54] <IntelCore> software updater failed to download repository information.. hung.. ubuntu 20.04.1 ??
[19:54] <tomreyn> yes
[19:54] <IntelCore> sit n spins
[19:54] <tomreyn> no
[19:55] <IntelCore> What?
[19:55] <tomreyn> exactly. please provide more information.
[19:55] <IntelCore> the updater.. says that
[19:56] <tomreyn> run "sudo apt update" on a temrinal and share the output
[19:57] <tomreyn> on a pastebin
[19:59] <IntelCore> https://pastebin.com/VqEUaxce
[20:01] <tomreyn> disable the 'screenlets' PPA (http://ppa.launchpad.net/screenlets/ppa/ubuntu) and uninstall any packages you have instaleld from it.
[20:01] <IntelCore> buhhh i like'em
[20:02] <IntelCore> an the settings is still in spinning
[20:02] <IntelCore> guru
[20:02] <tomreyn> this repository doesn't provide any packages compatible with your ubuntu release
[20:02] <IntelCore> huh?
[20:02] <IntelCore> oh noes
[20:03] <tomreyn> maybe you can find a different apt source which does provide the same software for your release.
[20:03] <IntelCore> rite'o
[20:04] <IntelCore> so, how stop software updater
[20:05] <tomreyn> i guess you can just kill the process, or reboot.
[20:05] <IntelCore> rite
[20:05] <tomreyn> since you were able to run apt update, apt itself seems to be fine
[20:05] <tomreyn> i'm not sure why the software updater would have frozen, though
[20:06] <tomreyn> i also don't know what "screenlets" are or were, but you can maybe find other unsupported repositories offering this software for focal (20.04) here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=screenlets
[20:08] <tomreyn> hmm this software seems to have been unmainteind for a long time. i wouldn't recommend using it.
[20:14] <IntelCore> ye before Vivid
[20:15] <IntelCore> tmreyn - why does vivid appear as an update - and Xenial on 20.04.1?
[20:16] <tomreyn> before you configure PPAs, and whenever you do a release upgrade, check every single PPA ou have to ensure it is still both maintained and provides packages for your ubuntu release.
[20:16] <IntelCore> news ty
[20:16] <tomreyn> i don't know what you mean by "why does vivid appear as an update - and Xenial on 20.04.1"
[20:16] <tomreyn> !vivid
[20:16] <IntelCore> I'll find.
[20:16] <tomreyn> !xenial
[20:17] <IntelCore> yes can still get updates for them
[20:17] <tomreyn> not for vivid, no.
[20:17] <IntelCore> i did in-place upgrades since vivid
[20:17] <tomreyn> that doesn't make vivid supported
[20:18] <IntelCore> hmm.started with on vivid install..kernel updates, I think that what I saw.
[20:19] <IntelCore> let me knock out ppa.. and come back
[20:19] <tomreyn> you shouldn't have those 'xenial' apt sources on your 20.04 system
[20:19] <tomreyn> and you should certainly remove any software installed form there, too.
[20:20] <tomreyn> it's most likely not compatible with 20.04. but i think you were told that mixing software across ubuntu releases is not supported (and a bad idea most of the time) many times before.
[20:57] <grubfailure> i tried copying over the entirety of /etc/mysql and /var/lib/mysql and get the same result "table doesn't exist in engine"
[22:03] <mustmodify_slow> Howdy. I'm trying to troubleshoot some mysterious slowness on my dell laptop running 18.04. Seemed to coincide with installing a large number of updates a few days ago.
[22:04] <mustmodify_slow> Probably not related, but this isn't what I was expecting from `df -h` -- can anyone tell me if this output shows anything troublesome?
[22:04] <mustmodify_slow> https://termbin.com/w7t6
[22:05] <mustmodify_slow> Also, as a sanity check, can someone do `time curl www.google.com > /dev/null`
[22:06] <mustmodify_slow> two or three times and tell me what kind of times you get?
[22:06] <mustmodify_slow> I have tried several networks and I'm getting times from 1.5 to 25s.
[22:08] <retran> it wouldnt matter what values someone else got
[22:09] <retran> it would just be testing googles peerage
[22:09] <retran> which is probably great
[22:10] <mustmodify_slow> Well either way, I'm experiencing some kind of insanity here. I am not sure whether it's in the network, or it's something that is just affecting the network.
[22:10] <retran> you should be getting like 50ms for that on decent wired broadband
[22:10] <retran> maybe 100ms if your wifi is poop
[22:11] <mustmodify_slow> I'm on wifi. Still, often above 5s is nutso.
[22:11] <retran> you should test speeds between nodes o  your own network then
[22:11] <mustmodify_slow> I'm experiencing some kind of insanity here. I am not sure whether it's in the network, or it's something that is just affecting the network.
[22:11] <mustmodify_slow> like. curling the router?
[22:12] <retran> stop saying that and test your own nodes
[22:12] <retran> sure. or ping
[22:12] <retran> why not start with ping!
[22:13] <mattfly> netcat: invalid option -- 'U ??? in ubuntu 20.04
[22:13] <mustmodify_slow> times seem great.
[22:14] <mustmodify_slow> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.806/9.689/51.827/18.850 m
[22:14] <mustmodify_slow> but ping times for google are also good-ish.
[22:15] <mustmodify_slow> 20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19030msrtt min/avg/max/mdev = 35.588/38.603/59.686/5.132 ms
[22:16] <mustmodify_slow> but for the router, using `time curl <IP_ADDRESS> > /dev/null`, I get times like 0.014s 0.019s, 0.024s... very different from Google.
[22:17] <mustmodify_slow> (Just a note, it isn't only google ... every website is increadibly slow. Many pages take 45 seconds to 5 minutes to load.)
[22:18] <retran> what about using a diff device on your same network
[22:19] <mustmodify_slow> For all three networks, other devices (phone, my wife's laptop) the network is fast.
[22:19] <retran> is there a vpn youre using?
[22:19] <mustmodify_slow> no
[22:19] <mustmodify_slow> good thought though
[22:23] <mustmodify_slow> Can anyone tell me if this result for `df -h` is "healthy"? https://termbin.com/w7t6
[22:23] <mustmodify_slow> I wasn't expecting to see all those `/snap` entries.
[22:24] <jpds> mustmodify_slow: That's fine, ubuntu uses snapd out of the box
[22:25] <mustmodify_slow> ok. Well, I'm open to any ideas. I'm on a road trip and really need a laptop of some kind -- if I can't figure this out will have to reinstall from factory default, which would be windows. :(
[22:26] <oerheks> mustmodify_slow, all you need to know is: /dev/nvme0n1p2  468G   35G  410G   8% /
[22:27] <mustmodify_slow> ?
[22:27] <oerheks> That would be your actual status; 8% used, 410g free
[22:28] <mustmodify_slow> right.
[22:28] <mustmodify_slow> I just thought there was something else I wasn't seeing.
[22:28] <mustmodify_slow> or understanding.
[22:29] <mustmodify_slow> If I did this correctly, here's a list of the packages I updated a few days ago. (It's so long that I'm not sure it's helpful.) https://termbin.com/sy10
[22:30] <mustmodify_slow> retran: any other thoughts?
[22:35] <mustmodify_slow> Is there some other channel where I could get some help diagnosing this issue?
[22:44] <mustmodify_slow> Final call for help with this networking issue before I restore from factory default.
[22:45] <Guest_6145> is wubi dead? trying to install ubuntu on this old windows 7 computer someone gave my mom
[22:45] <Guest_6145> I don't have a USB thumb drive or blank CD and trying to install it just from the main harddrive somehow
[22:46] <Guest_6145> I already created a 350GB partition for it but I have no bootable media
[22:46] <oerheks> Yes, wubi is dead.
[22:46] <oerheks> and without grub already installed, there is no way to install from iso on the harddrive.
[22:47] <Guest_6145> damn
[22:47] <Guest_6145> she's stuck with windows 7 for now i guess
[22:47] <Guest_6145> this thing came with the ask toolbar and firefox 5.0.1
[22:48] <oerheks> oh, i am working on a "Vista" machine
[22:48] <oerheks> find a 4 gb usb drive
[22:49] <Guest_6145> yeah if i get lucky maybe she has one
[22:50] <Guest_6145> my mom does not know how to use a computer
[22:50] <Guest_6145> even windows
[22:51] <Guest_6145> I get to set her up with linux for her to learn how to use a computer for the first time, she'll be a linux user for life
[23:45] <basenode> im having trouble getting gitmux working, putting => set -g status-right '#(gitmux "#{pane_current_path}") <= in .tmux.conf shows nothing in status right
[23:45] <basenode> any ideas?
[23:58] <oerheks> seems a mac issue? https://github.com/arl/gitmux/issues/17
[23:58] <oerheks> or wsl2?
[23:59] <oerheks> some ditch VSCode for neovim over such thingy