[04:45] <saran> after login to ubuntu
[04:45] <saran> showing blank
[04:45] <saran> how to fix it please help


[00:01] <ernstp> Sarvatt, nope, radeon 4770, desktop
[00:01] <ernstp> Sarvatt, goes something like this:
[00:02] <ernstp> blinking vga cursor for a while, then some error message
[00:02] <Sarvatt> flickering as in, brightness changing while the ubuntu logo is on the screen?
[00:02] <ernstp> then plymouth boot
[00:02] <ernstp> then vga again, then plymouth boot
[00:02] <ernstp> then black, then gdm
[00:03] <ernstp> no, only between vga+black and plymouth/gdm
[00:03] <ernstp> 2/3 times depending on how you count
[00:04] <Sarvatt> bryceh: did you include the bgnr patch with the latest ati upload?
[00:04] <ernstp> kms works fine generally
[00:04] <Sarvatt> ernstp: you're using stock lucid packages?
[00:04] <ernstp> but there's nothing smooth about my boot
[00:04] <Sarvatt> (because I dont have the splash integration stuff on xorg-edgers)
[00:05] <ernstp> Sarvatt, yes! I've actually made a point of that, usually don't :-)
[00:05] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yep, why, is there a problem?
[00:05] <Sarvatt> yeah 100_radeon-6.9.0-bgnr-enable.patch is there so its not that
[00:06] <ernstp> bryceh, plymouth problems...
[00:06] <Sarvatt> bryceh: just ernstp saying thats not working for him and that was my first idea :D
[00:06] <ernstp> it's switching to vga two times during boot
[00:06] <Sarvatt> ernstp: pastebin your dmesg?
[00:06] <ernstp> no smooth transition between plymouth and gdm
[00:07] <ernstp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/407302/
[00:08] <ernstp> kms generally working very well etc
[00:08] <ernstp> Sarvatt, bryceh, plymouth-log-viewer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/407303/
[00:11] <Sarvatt> nothing there showing what you're saying happening of course, do you have multiple monitors or anything?
[00:11] <ernstp> nope
[00:11] <ernstp> 1650x1080
[00:12] <Sarvatt> been happening for awhile or just recently?
[00:12] <ernstp> awhile
[00:12] <ernstp> quite consistent between the different plymouth updates I would say actually
[00:12] <ernstp> not sure about that though
[00:13] <ernstp> let me reboot and note exactly what happens
[00:13] <Sarvatt> try echo FRAMEBUFFER=y | sudo tee /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash and then sudo update-initramfs -u and see if its any different?
[00:13] <ernstp> oki
[00:16] <ernstp> Sarvatt, ok, that was one flicker less
[00:16] <Sarvatt> transition work?
[00:17] <ernstp> Grub -> vga 3 seconds -> 2 sec monitor off pause -> plymouth 6-7 secs -> vga 1 sec -> gdm no transition
[00:18] <Sarvatt> by gdm no transition you mean you see a black screen for awhile right?
[00:19] <ernstp> yeah, black vga 1 secs between plymouth and gdm
[00:19] <Sarvatt> it'd be way more than 1 second if it wasn't working, you never have a mouse cursor over the ubuntu logo?
[00:20] <ernstp> oops
 it'd be way more than 1 second if it wasn't working, you never have a mouse cursor over the ubuntu logo?
[00:20] <ernstp> did I miss anything?
[00:20] <ernstp> before your change I usually had a mouse cursor on plymouth really quickly, then black, then gdm
[00:21] <ernstp> didn't see one now
[00:21] <Sarvatt> if you have a mouse cursor ever with the ubuntu logo on the screen the transition is working
[00:21] <ernstp> except it get's interrupted by a black vga screen
[00:21] <ernstp> so it's not a nice transition
[00:22] <Sarvatt> its kind of delayed now too since gdm doesn't show the cursor initially either, but plymouth is long since quit by the time a cursor is shown
[00:23] <Sarvatt> ernstp: /var/log/Xorg.0.log now please :D
[00:24] <ernstp> pastebin commandlinetool?
[00:24] <Sarvatt> it's something setting a new mode after gdm startup probably, your xrandr config maybe?
[00:24] <Sarvatt> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit
[00:24] <ernstp> can I have a xrandr config in gdm?
[00:24] <RAOF> You don't happen to have a second monitor plugged in, do you?
[00:25] <ernstp> http://pastebin.com/rTs5WFm9
[00:25] <ernstp> nope
[00:25] <RAOF> Sarvatt: UUOC :) - that can be accomplished more simply by “pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log” :)
[00:26] <ernstp> let me write down exactly what happens wiht FRAMEBUFFER=n
[00:26] <Sarvatt> ernstp: open gconf-editor, go to apps/gdm/simple-greeter/settings-manager-plugin
[00:26] <Sarvatt> xrandr, uncheck the enable box
[00:27] <ernstp> done
[00:27] <ernstp> ok, try again
[00:33] <Sarvatt> RAOF: huh, that works? it didn't used to and I use it so much hence my overuse of cat | grep :D
[00:33] <ernstp_> hmm, that helped a bit I guess
[00:34] <ernstp_> now set FRAMEBUFFER=n
[00:34] <Sarvatt> just delete that file and update-initramfs -u
[00:35] <ernstp_> vga 10 seconds, then plymouth, then gdm, no transitions
[00:35] <Sarvatt> i'd leave it in the initrd though if you dont want things to be ugly :D
[00:36] <ernstp_> that was with FRAMEBUFFER=n
[00:36] <ernstp_> now with =y again
[00:36] <Sarvatt> ernstp_: i'm 100% positive the transition is working for you, it's something changing the mode after startup
[00:37] <Azelphur> don't suppose there is a command I can use to make X clean up leaked memory?
[00:37] <ernstp> now I don't get any hint of transition at all..
[00:37] <Sarvatt> sudo jockey-text -d xorg:nvidia_current works :D
[00:37] <ernstp> with FRAMEBUFFER=y its:
[00:37] <Azelphur> 47.1% of 8GB for Xorg is fun :P
[00:38] <ernstp> 1 sec vga, 10 sec plymouth, black screen, then gdm all loaded and complete
[00:38] <ernstp> well have to got to bed now, hope that gave something :-)
[00:38] <ernstp> thanks Sarvatt, cya!
[00:40] <Sarvatt> ernstp: I dont think you've ever booted without the transition patches to -ati, you wouldn't see the ubuntu logo for more than a second without them :D
[01:07] <Sarvatt> so apparently the x segfaults when closing clutter apps only happen with libclutter-1.0-0_1.2.4-0ubuntu1 and go away with libclutter-1.0-0_1.0.6-0ubuntu1
[01:08] <Sarvatt> which is odd since i thought debian had clutter 0.8.x still and they were getting it too
[01:19] <Sarvatt> seems like a problem not really specific to upstream because the glx bump to 1.4 on xserver 1.7 branch isn't upstream
[01:22] <jcristau> debian has clutter 1.0.8 in sid and 1.2.4 in experimental fwiw
[01:42] <superm1> Sarvatt, you were right, moving the mouse to the top of the screen when gnome terminal goes all wonky fixes it. how bizarre
[02:32] <Sarvatt> oh superm1? same darn bug then
[02:44] <bryceh> new intel-gpu-tools git snapshot uploaded
[02:44] <desrt> Sarvatt: hey.  got that xorg driver update you wanted me to try?
[02:45] <ScottK> Is Intel 865 expected to work on Lucid after the latest uploads get built?
[02:46] <Sarvatt> desrt: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/bugs/+sourcepub/1013559/+listing-archive-extra
[02:46] <desrt> cheers
[02:47] <bryceh> ScottK, "expected" is such a strong word
[02:48] <bryceh> ScottK, it's worth re-testing but don't hold your breath
[02:48] <ScottK> OK.
[02:48] <ScottK> Is 865 on the list of things you want to get working?
[02:49] <bryceh> everything is on that list ;-)
[02:49] <bryceh> but no, I have no additional 8xx enablement work planned in my todo list
[02:49] <desrt> Sarvatt: ok.  i've installed.  i'm going to reboot and try to login and out a few times to see if i can get the crash
[02:49] <desrt> bbiab.
[02:50] <bryceh> actually I have one other potential todo which is to do kms blacklists of any 8xx chips that we find work with ums but not kms
[02:50] <ScottK> OK.  Sounds like time to find that stack of CD-Rs.
[02:50] <ScottK> Thanks.
[02:50] <bryceh> but I need testing feedback from 8xx owners in order to do that
[02:51] <ScottK> Right, I would be one of those, thus finding the CD-Rs.
[02:52] <ScottK> How's 945 looking?
[02:53] <bryceh> I've backported most of the 8xx changes that looked safe and easy.  There's some more which are harder to backport due to massive refactoring upstream, but which might help - I think those can be tested via xorg-edgers.  If xorg-edgers is found to solve the issues then I guess we could take a deeper look into those patches
[02:53] <bryceh> but so much of upstream's changes are "Remove..." "Kill..." "Drop..." that it's a bit scary to wade through
[02:53] <ScottK> OK.  I'll try to do some testing this weekend.
[02:53] <bryceh> 945 should be fine, and afaik what issues remain need kernel fixes
[02:54] <bryceh> the issues were lid and suspend/resume and plymouth/boot-prettiness related things
[02:55] <desrt> Sarvatt: ok... after one bootup, no crash
[02:55] <desrt> but osmething odd happened on logout
[02:55] <ScottK> Worse comes to worse I guess I do a chassis swap.  I have a 945 box I'm using as a server and an 865 box as a desktop.  I also have 945 desktops too.
[02:56] <desrt> Sarvatt: now i'm getting these instead: (EE) intel(0): Failed to submit batch buffer, expect rendering corruption or even a frozen display: No space left on device.
[02:56] <desrt> Sarvatt: but to be honest with you, i was experiencing some random display corruption even on karmic
[02:57] <desrt> Sarvatt: i wouldn't be surprised if that message was appearing in the log before and i just didn't notice it because i wasn't really looking
[02:58] <desrt> ok.  corruption is actually much worse now than it was under karmic
[02:58] <desrt> so i'm actually not sure if it's related
[03:00] <Sarvatt> desrt: can ya give me the xorg log?
[03:00] <desrt> Sarvatt: also: i think i've determine that when the crashes happen they're not taking out all of userspace
[03:00] <desrt> rather, they appear to be taking out the *harddrive*
[03:01] <desrt> i can do anything that was already in cache
[03:01] <desrt> when i try to access something not in cache ,the process goes into D-state
[03:02] <desrt> i wonder if maybe the harddrive and the graphics share an irq or something
[03:02] <Sarvatt> i want to see the framebuffer adjustment line with the patch
[03:02] <Sarvatt> just before the batchbuffer error
[03:03] <bryceh> new radeontool 1.6.1 uploaded
[03:04] <desrt> (II) intel(0): Allocate new frame buffer 2400x1920 stride 9728
[03:04] <desrt> that one?
[03:04] <desrt> note: no errors so far
[03:04] <desrt> i'll just paste the hold lot.  just a sec.
[03:05] <desrt> http://pastebin.org/130005
[03:06] <desrt> all those lines except for the very last one happen up to the login scren
[03:06] <desrt> the very last one happens when i login
[03:07] <desrt> gonna do the glaringly obvious thing and try to go into the bios and max out the amount of shared memory allocated to the graphics.
[03:08] <desrt> i'm getting graphics corruption this time in the form of the cursor in gnome-terminal being corrupted when it moves
[03:08] <desrt> but no message about it in the log
[03:14] <Sarvatt> desrt: wait, so you have *3* monitors running?
[03:14] <desrt> only 2, really
[03:14] <desrt> it's a laptop with 3 external display ports
[03:14] <desrt> i am using 2 of them
[03:14] <desrt> and i have the laptop LCD disabled
[03:15] <desrt> the laptop itself has a VGA out
[03:15] <desrt> which i am not using
[03:16] <desrt> it's sitting on a docking station ('ultrabase') that has VGA and DisplayPort out, both of which i have connected to 1920x1200 dell 24" flatpanels xrandr'd sideways
[03:16] <Sarvatt> try forcing off LVDS
[03:16] <Sarvatt> i think its video=LVDS-1:off
[03:17] <desrt> kernel commandline option?
[03:17] <Sarvatt> yeah
[03:17] <desrt> LVDS-1 or LVDS1?
[03:17] <desrt> xrandr lists it as the latter
[03:17] <Sarvatt> not sure
[03:17] <Sarvatt> lessee
[03:17] <desrt> btw: your patch has stopped the crash-on-login thing, it seems
[03:17] <desrt> 4 boots now, without a crash
[03:17] <desrt> but it introduced the corruption
[03:18] <desrt> i never had corruption like this before your patch
[03:19] <desrt> i'd almost prefer the crash since it only happens half the time :)
[03:19] <Sarvatt> yeah thats because they downgraded batchbuffer errors to not take the server down post 2.9.1
[03:19] <desrt> ahh
[03:19] <Sarvatt> i think your setup is pushing the little laptop way too hard with all those screens :D
[03:19] <desrt> worked fine on karmic :p
[03:20] <desrt> but maybe you're right.  it might do me good to downgrade my setup a bit for the time being
[03:20] <Sarvatt> just disabling the LVDS should fix it
[03:20] <Sarvatt> trying to find the kernel parameter now
[03:20] <desrt> xrandr has it turned off...
[03:20] <desrt> but i guess it should be dead from the start
[03:20] <Sarvatt> it *should* be video=LVDS-1:off
[03:21] <desrt> i'm surprised LVDS is even getting DCC
[03:21] <Sarvatt> if :off is the right way
[03:21] <desrt> k.  i'll try that.
[03:21] <desrt> i know it works if the output disappears from xrandr?
[03:21] <desrt> DCC -> DDC?
[03:21] <desrt> the panel is currently sitting at the other end of my desk :p
[03:24] <desrt> new grub is a trip :)
[03:25] <desrt> lvds1 is still listed in xrandr and the corruption remains
[03:25] <desrt> i'm gonna try going down to just one screen
[03:26] <desrt> still have corruption issues ,even on one screen with low resolution
[03:26] <desrt> i think that's just how your driver is.....
[03:30] <desrt> i'm just gonna go back to stock using the normal driver
[03:30] <desrt> i think you're right -- i'm just driving this thing too hard
[03:30] <desrt> i got away with it in karmic, but probably just barely
[03:31] <Sarvatt> 1 extra *should* be fine, i just think there might be problems with 3 huge displays running at the same time, still haven't found the proper way to disable LVDS yet
[03:35] <desrt> i can deal with this for now
[03:35] <desrt> i have a new laptop on the way soon
[03:35] <desrt> well, in a couple of weeks anyway
[03:36] <desrt> also: i can't really afford to waste more time on this issue, sorry :/
[03:37] <desrt> but definitely note that there is something nasty in that driver you had me install.  even with a modest screen configuration it has corruption
[03:40] <bryceh> beta2 has reached freeze
[03:40] <Sarvatt> no worries desrt, sorry I couldn't help ya more
[03:43] <desrt> Sarvatt: you tried lots.  thanks :)
[03:43] <desrt> see you in brussels?
[03:43] <Sarvatt> hopefully, no word on sponsorship yet :D
[03:43] <desrt> best of luck :)
[03:43] <desrt> cheers
[03:44] <Sarvatt> anyone not using intel that wouldn't mind running a little program that'll probably crash your X? :D
[03:45] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Of course!
[03:45] <RAOF> Let me fire up my sacrificial netbook
[03:45] <Sarvatt> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=34041
[03:45] <Sarvatt> \o/ thanks RAOF
[03:46] <Sarvatt> trying to dig into this clutter crashing bug more, seems when swrast is used the app just segfaults instead of crashing the whole xserver like it does when intel is
[03:47] <bryceh> wow, I sure snuck in a lot of stuff just under the wire
[03:47] <bryceh> just two bits didn't make it (but both are new packages for universe so maybe can still do them)
[03:47] <Sarvatt> RAOF: can you do it with edgers 3D support? :D
[03:48]  * Sarvatt is a pain in the butt, sorry
[03:48] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Yup.  Assuming this netbook will boot.
[03:48] <RAOF> And it might need a little updating first...
[03:49] <RAOF> Universe doesn't get frozen for beta 2, does it?
[03:51] <bryceh> slangasek's email indicated the packages need archive admins to put them in, but no approvals are needed
[03:51] <bryceh> or something like that
[03:51] <bryceh> I didn't get to xorg-server, however most everything I want to go into that are regular bugs and probably acceptable under freeze rules
[03:52] <RAOF> Oooh.    How did that happen?  It hasn't been turned on for a couple of days!
[03:59]  * bryceh uploads newly repackaged xserver-xorg-video-displaylink
[04:06] <Sarvatt> ok well maybe debugging more into why it segfaults with swrast will help me figure out why with dri2 it's is taking down the server :D
[05:03] <Sarvatt> bryceh: WHOOPS - http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/commit/?id=bc93395b3eb5e3511c1b62af90693269f4fa6e13
[05:04] <bryceh> Sarvatt, mm, do we have a LP# for this issue?
[05:04] <bryceh> (I ask because now that we're in freeze, we're gonna need paperwork to get bug fixes in)
[05:06] <Sarvatt> just keep an eye out for bugs about the system being unbearably slow after a few hours uptime on r600-r700 :D
[05:07] <Sarvatt> darnit, forgot to --disable-gallium in this mesa debug build, going to take forever
[05:08] <bryceh> I just checked through the source code, we don't have anything matching that stanza of code
[05:08] <bryceh> so perhaps that's a regression they introduced in code newer than ours
[05:08]  * bryceh "Ha! Take that phoronix peanut gallery!  Saved by the not-shipping-bleeding-edge-crap."
[05:09] <Sarvatt> oh i thought we had a post 6.12.192
[05:10] <bryceh> we do, but doesn't look like we have this code
[05:10] <bryceh> what we have now is basically Debian's 6.12.192-2
[05:11] <bryceh> which is 192 plus up to commit 5c256808
[05:11] <Sarvatt> ahhh ok i thought that part was added in the post 192 commit that was fixing the problem in 192 but it was r6xx+ EXA/Xv: add a R600SetAccelState function that added it
[05:11] <bryceh> plus our bgnr patch and the manpage fix I just stuck in (but it's not gone through yet)
[05:12] <Sarvatt> phew
[05:12] <bryceh> :-)
[05:12] <bryceh> btw with freeze in effect I'm hacking on arsenal a bit
[05:12] <bryceh> and I've just posted a new report:
[05:13] <bryceh> http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/upstream-fixed.html
[05:13] <bryceh> these are bugs that have been marked as fixed upstream
[05:13] <bryceh> there's a surprising amount
[05:13] <bryceh> (44)
[05:13] <virtuald> can someone help me with this, or point me somewhere: [    1.333067] [drm] MTRR allocation failed.  Graphics performance may suffer.
[05:15] <Sarvatt> virtuald: boot with enable_mtrr_cleanup mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1
[05:15] <Sarvatt> virtuald: let me guess, acer aspire one?
[05:15] <virtuald> yes
[05:15] <Sarvatt> :D
[05:15] <bryceh> smokin' sarvatt
[05:15] <Sarvatt> these things have buggy bioses
[05:15] <virtuald> :>
[05:15] <virtuald> ok
[05:16] <virtuald> i thought about trying a bios upgrade
[05:16] <Sarvatt> theres no bios upgrade that fixes it for these :(
[05:16] <virtuald> ok
[05:16] <Sarvatt> you have a AOA110 or AOA150 model?
[05:17] <virtuald> AOA150
[05:17] <virtuald> ZG5
[05:17] <Sarvatt> i just added it to /etc/default/grub on this line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash enable_mtrr_cleanup mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1"
[05:18] <virtuald> and that fixed it?
[05:18] <Sarvatt> yepyep update-grub after
[05:18] <virtuald> of course
[05:19] <Sarvatt> yeah no fixed bioses for AOA150, thats what I have too
[05:19] <virtuald> i also have usbcore.autosuspend=1 in there, i hope it does something
[05:20] <Sarvatt> did you know there's a gateway bios you can use for your machine that'll most likely add a *ton* more backlight brightness levels?
[05:20] <virtuald> no hehe
[05:20] <virtuald> sounds like black magic
[05:21] <Sarvatt> grep -m 1 AUO /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:21] <Sarvatt> whats that say?
[05:21] <virtuald> (II) intel(0): Manufacturer: AUO  Model: 11c2  Serial#: 0
[05:22] <Sarvatt> acer disabled the lower brightness levels on some of the AUO panels in AOA150's because they flicker during hdd accesses
[05:22] <Sarvatt> i get over an hour longer on battery if i put up with the flicker :D
[05:23] <Sarvatt> how many brightness levels do you have now?
[05:23] <virtuald> :-O
[05:23] <virtuald> let's see
[05:23] <Sarvatt> there should be 9 steps if you go slow
[05:23] <Sarvatt> thats what i get with the gateway bios
[05:23] <virtuald> yes it's 9
[05:23] <Sarvatt> ah ok your LCD isn't blacklisted then
[05:24] <virtuald> :)
[05:24] <Sarvatt> i had 2 before
[05:29] <Sarvatt> bryceh: wow 44?
[05:30] <RAOF> Some are false-positive
[05:32] <RAOF> But that does seem a lot.
[05:33] <Sarvatt> one day this netbook will finish compiling mesa so I can move on to xserver.. :D
[05:34] <virtuald> hehe
[05:38] <Sarvatt> virtuald: how big a battery do you have with yours? i get about 10 hours battery life with this 9 cell, definitely worth picking up :D
[05:39] <virtuald> the small one that came with it..
[05:40] <Sarvatt> think i paid around 40 bucks on ebay for the 9 cell, made this thing a billion times more useful
[05:40]  * RAOF has just got a 9 cell for his x200s in preparation for UDS travel.
[05:41] <virtuald> i can't find how long it takes to empty in gnome-power-statistics
[05:41] <virtuald> 8]
[05:42] <Sarvatt> i'm not sure i'll be going to UDS, thought I was supposed to hear something by the 26th about it
[05:42] <ScottK> Sarvatt: AFAIK no one has heard yet.  I think the 25th was the application deadline.
[05:43] <Sarvatt> RAOF: x200s is what you bought? thats not a netbook!
[05:43] <virtuald> is it the manic manatee?
[05:43] <virtuald> :>
[05:43] <Sarvatt> ahh thanks for the info ScottK, I must have misread it
[05:44] <RAOF> Sarvatt: No, the x200s is not a netbook.  It's too useful to be a netbook :)
[05:45] <Sarvatt> oh thats right, you did say the netbook had an atom :D
[05:45] <RAOF> Right. N270, where the 'N' stands for Not fast enough :)
[05:45] <Sarvatt> RAOF: do you have problems with that x200s? i've seen a lot of intel issues with them
[05:46] <RAOF> My hardware *always* magically avoids all the problems I'd like to debug.
[05:46] <Sarvatt> hey, it's only taken 30 minutes to compile dri with just swrast and i915 drivers!
[05:47] <Sarvatt> mklib: Making Linux shared library:  libEGL.so.1.0
[05:47] <Sarvatt> yay thanks for avoiding my explicit --disable-egl mesa!
[05:48] <virtuald> 8]
[11:29] <tjaalton> tseliot: good news, mesa 7.7.1 merged and will upload once it's accepted
[11:30] <tseliot> tjaalton: fantastic news, please let me know when it's uploaded so that I can refresh ia32-libs from canonical's computers
[11:30] <tjaalton> tseliot: sure thing
[11:31] <tseliot> thanks
[11:31] <AtomicSpark> Seems that ATI drivers are now out. They don't seem to support KMS. Less shiny plymouth splash is :(
[11:32] <tseliot> -ati does, fglrx doesn't
[11:33] <AtomicSpark> Does -ati support multiple displays?
[11:34] <tseliot> yes, of course
[11:43] <AtomicSpark> Oh great I broke it. Apparently display rotation makes fglrx flip out a bit.
[11:59] <AtomicSpark> Okay, now it's not doing it. Sillyness.
[12:38] <tjaalton> tseliot: no mesa tarball available yet, so I'll push it to the queue once it is
[13:23] <tseliot> tjaalton: ok, thanks
[16:58] <Sarvatt> huh.. #2  0x00ff6bf9 in DRI2GetScreen (pScreen=0xffffffff) at ../../../../hw/xfree86/dri2/dri2.c:78
[17:24] <jcristau> tjaalton: you can probably ask brice for the mesa tarball.  it's not world-readable in the upload queue.
[18:56] <apparle> hi guys plz help me with this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/475466
[19:02] <Sarvatt> apparle: attach your dmesg output to the bug please
[19:03] <apparle> Sarvatt: I will have to make a bootable USB for it... I formatted the other one...
[19:04] <apparle> Sarvatt: the code seems alright... so why am I getting this problem..
[19:04] <Sarvatt> drm isn't loading right, need to see your dmesg
[19:07] <apparle> Sarvatt: no... the card is being detected as AGP.. where as it should be seen as PCI
[19:13] <Sarvatt> bryceh: ok so I fixed *clutter* apps closing crashing the server, but i'm still able to take down the server with the testcase. this commit stops quadrapassel from crashing the server on our 1.7.6 - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/dri2-no-blit.patch
[19:14] <bryceh> Sarvatt, cool, where'd you find that?
[19:20] <apparle> what all cards come under CHIP_FAMILY_RS400 in radeon driver?
[19:21] <Sarvatt> apparle: you're using KMS on lucid, that xorg.conf option has no effect afaik. you need to pass radeon.agpmode=-1 for the same effect now and we'd really need to see your dmesg to see whats wrong in the first place
[19:21] <Sarvatt> apparle: or just boot with radeon.modeset=0
[19:22] <apparle> Sarvatt: you missed the point..... the bug was fixed and I didn't need the setting at all
[19:22] <Sarvatt> ok
[19:23] <apparle> Sarvatt: see here
[19:23] <apparle> Sarvatt: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/tree/src/radeon_driver.c
[19:24] <apparle> Sarvatt: see the line no 2037,2038,2039
[19:25] <bryceh> Sarvatt, I'm adding the patch to xserver, but would like to know a bit more about how this solves the issue if you have any more info?
[19:28] <apparle> Sarvatt: so what all cards come under CHIP_FAMILY_RS400 in radeon driver?
[19:30] <bryceh> Sarvatt, I wonder if that patch doesn't stop the crashes but just avoids it or race-conditions it away
[19:45] <apparle> what's the nick of Tormod Volden
[20:33] <Sarvatt> bryceh: I wouldn't apply it just yet, no idea if it is sane.. sorry I have been testing it out between jobs and haven't been around to answer you or note it on the bug but I just commented on the fdo bug about it
[21:36] <BUG_vacations> evening


[01:27] <arraybolt3> guiverc: I am able to reproduce the crash with the LXQt monitor configuration app in a VM locally using the latest Lunar ISO.
[01:29]  * guiverc writing latest lunary ISO to thumb-drive now... plan to re-install on one of my boxes as test when I get there... (I was sending you a reply when this came in...)
[01:29] <guiverc> s/lunary/lunar... ^
[01:33] <guiverc> thanks arraybolt3 (not great about it being re-proudcable though... does mean I'm not fully at fault with my mess here though :)
[01:33] <arraybolt3> Probably just the KScreen transition, hopefully it will clear with time.
[01:33] <arraybolt3> And glad to help :)
[01:34] <guiverc> :)
[03:09] <guiverc> I've got the issue on a live lunar system... bug report coming up..  (lxqt-config-monitor not running anyway..  maybe related to the issues on my primary & another lunar box)
[03:13] <arraybolt3> I hit the problem on a live system.
[03:14]  * guiverc & my bad memory... it suggests one I filed 5 hours ago & couldn't remember!!!????
[03:15] <arraybolt3> lol you think that's bad, you should see my personal life. I'm forgetting things every 15 minutes or less, it seems like.
 Hello, there is a weird bug in Qterminal, when I close a terminal tab, press No or X it still close. It works normal when I close the big terminal (not closing tab)
 @Kien1 Which version of Lubuntu?
 22.04.1 LTS (re @tsimonq2: @Kien1 Which version of Lubuntu?)
[18:25] <arraybolt3> @Kien1: Did you enable the Backports repository? Or is this just with the stock version of LXQt that comes with 22.04.1?
 I dont know about Backports repos, just a Windows user switch to Lubuntu.
 I did several fresh installs on Virtualbox and did not do any configs.
[18:37] <arraybolt3> OK, I'll take a look and see if I can reproduce this. Thank you!
[19:05] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Dang. So this is new. I guess many messy three-way merges now :D
[19:10] <arraybolt3> Sigh. /me scraps my current LXQt folder and starts afresh
[19:11] <arraybolt3> I should also probably put an announcement that upgrades on Lunar are going to be broken since libfm-qt is almost without question going to mess things up.
[19:12] <arraybolt3> Sprint time! :D
[20:59] <arraybolt3> (Didn't end up needing to do three-way merges after all, I just revert the sync, pull over anything valuable ensuring to keep proper attribution, and then do a packaging update, then done.)
[21:06] <arraybolt3> !!! WARNING - Force-syncing over lxqt-themes-packaging, it has changes that aren't in the Ubuntu archive yet that I'm modifying. WARNING !!!
[21:07] <arraybolt3> ubot93: :P
[21:07] <arraybolt3> (Announcing this loudly as requested in the past.)
[21:10] <arraybolt3> (Namely, I'm modifying a commit that updates debian/copyright so that it's actually up-to-date now in 2023.)


[21:12] <rinser> hi guys
[21:12] <rinser> how do I upload art work to wiki.ubuntu.com ?? anyone?
[21:14] <rinser> I created an account and logged in, but still cannot upload anything


[06:01] <christel> good morning
[06:14] <knightwise> hey christel
[07:13] <diplo> Morningall
[07:15] <mattt> morning
[07:18] <knightwise> hey mattt , diplo
[07:19] <knightwise> hmm.. conky acting up
[07:19] <christel> hullu you all :D
[07:19] <knightwise> when I configure it on my system , it floats OVER all the other windows
[07:19] <knightwise> 0/ *** christel
[07:42] <diplo> I've not used conky in years
[07:42] <AlanBell> nom nom nom, fried eggs from the garden
[07:49] <diplo> Amazed those chickens still make eggs after being scared from the BBQ :P
[07:58] <jellybean> Hey all
[07:59] <jellybean> Does anyone know a decent guide or have a recommended procedure to to install Ubuntu Server to a compact flash card?
[08:00] <jellybean> Normally I would use EXT2 and use tmpfs for tmp etc to try to reduce writes but I'm wondering if there's a better way to do it these days?
[08:00] <popey> morning
[08:01] <bittin^work> morning
[08:01] <jellybean> Good morning
[08:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:08] <SuperMatt> lots of nice fixes this morning
[08:08] <SuperMatt> thanks all
[08:08] <SuperMatt> <3
[08:09] <knightwise> dkjml
[08:09] <knightwise> sorry
[08:09] <knightwise> hmm.. still fighting conky
[08:10] <knightwise> Grr
[08:10] <bittin^work> is you the famous knightwise ?
[08:10] <knightwise> Famous ? :) erm .. yes
[08:10] <bittin^work> http://knightwise.com/tag/podcast-2/
[08:10] <bittin^work> :>
[08:10] <jellybean> How is the 12.10 beta looking?  I'm just in the process of reinstalling my home server/desktop.  I'll put 12.04 on the server for LTS, but just wondering whether it's worth installing the beta of 12.10 or waiting a few more weeks for the release.
[08:11] <bittin^work> cool used to listen to your podcast :p
[08:11] <SuperMatt> YES
[08:11] <SuperMatt> it's totally worth it
[08:11] <knightwise> bittin^work: yes .. guilty :) that iZ me :)
[08:11] <bittin^work> :p
[08:11] <SuperMatt> last night they put out unity 6.8 and there are a lot of nice fixes
[08:11] <knightwise> you a listener  ?
[08:11] <bittin^work> yes
[08:12] <jellybean> SuperMatt, is it stable enough for daily use without frustration?
[08:12] <SuperMatt> jellybean: yes. yes it is
[08:12] <SuperMatt> I've been salivating all morning
[08:12] <jellybean> SuperMatt, thanks I'll try 12.10 then
[08:12] <SuperMatt> s/all morning/ since ten to nine
[08:12] <popey> amazon are silly
[08:12] <popey> beh
[08:13] <jellybean> popey, Why's that?
[08:13] <knightwise> bittin^work: you should listen again :) ... We have the famous popey coming up :)
[08:14] <bittin^work> =>
[08:14] <bittin^work> nice
[08:14] <popey> haha
[08:24] <jellybean> Setting up a home server: Should I bother with LDAP for auth/samba/etc?
[08:25] <awilkins> What are your clients and how many do you have>
[08:25] <awilkins> The answer is probably "no" though.
[08:26] <MooDoo> I've not bothered with ldap, just setup samba
[08:26] <jellybean> My clients are me, and I've been thinking that the answer is probably no but like the idea of keeping everything in one place
[08:26] <jellybean> Not got much experience with it though so it might be more hassle than its worth
[08:26] <AlanBell> jellybean: I just did a a standard install to an SD card
[08:26] <awilkins> FWIW I just do all my file transfers with SFTP
[08:27] <AlanBell> ext4
[08:27] <bittin^work> sshfs <3
[08:27] <awilkins> Samba is acceptable for those *ick* Windows clients
[08:28] <jellybean> AlanBell, Thanks
[08:28] <AlanBell> and yes, on the desktop go straight to 12.10, do not pass go, do not install 12.04
[08:28] <bittin^work> i haven't played with Samba for years
[08:29] <jellybean> Well there is one other user on the network (I.e. the other half) who uses windows and would like files available via samba
[08:31] <gord> i use samba everywhere because its less of a windows thing and more of a anything can use it thing
[08:31] <diplo> +1 gord  :)
[08:31] <diplo> I'm the same as it 'just works'
[08:32] <MooDoo> I just setup samba for the windows machine i'm using at home, got it working eventually, pah fancy windows home not having an NFS client.
[08:32] <jellybean> I guess I could just use samba and allow guest writes to all the shares and it (Sort of) solves the problem
[08:33] <diplo> yeah mine is totally open jellybean, my kids aren't old enough to break anything yet
[08:33] <diplo> When it comes time to need to do that I can
[08:40]  * awilkins strikes the desk with his head, for the git who wrote this code ran it through an autoformatter set to 3 spaces. But only some of it. So now every possible formatting config for his editor is wrong.
[08:48] <kirrus> awilkins: it could always be worse though...
[08:48] <kirrus> I regularily have to wade through obsfucated/compressed javascript to find bad code :(
[08:49] <knightwise> hmmm
[08:49] <knightwise> builderman yanked mah internetz
[08:49] <BigRedS> I just found a bunch of bad code by grepping for Windows linebreaks :)
[08:49] <kirrus> BigRedS: that's cheating
[08:49]  * kirrus is aware we're supposed to cheat
[08:50] <awilkins> This code is *hideous*
[08:50] <awilkins> Using reflection to display data instead of MVC
[08:51] <awilkins> The UI element is passing Method objects to another object so it knows which field to read
[08:51]  * awilkins throws up in his mouth a little
[08:52] <knightwise> makes me think about lunch
[08:52] <knightwise> hmm.. hungry
[08:52] <awilkins> If your UI element knows enough about your bloody class to pass a method to another class.... just have it use the method it passed in the first place....
[08:53] <knightwise> anybody know anything about conky ?
[08:53] <awilkins> At least that's just lazy and poor abstraction, not horribly complex and prone to failure if you ever refactor it
[09:06] <jellybean> This is probably a stupid question, but do GIDs on ubuntu server and ubuntu desktop correspond to the same groups?
[09:19] <BigRedS> Generally, <100 they're defined by policy
[09:19] <BigRedS> so www-data is always UID/GID 33 for example
[09:20] <BigRedS> It's expected that <100 is up to Ubuntu to define, >100,<1000 is for your use for systemy users, >1000 is for humans who want to log in
[09:20] <BigRedS> I think
[09:20]  * czajkowski stabs BigRedS
[09:21]  * AlanBell takes sharp objects away from czajkowski
[09:23]  * BigRedS bleeds a bit
[09:23]  * MartijnVdS calls The Cleaner
[09:23] <BigRedS> Before the paramedic? Cheers!
[09:23] <AlanBell> czajkowski: how is the emerald isle today?
[09:24] <bittin^work> hmm why is my virtual machine not booting today
[09:24] <bittin^work> yay now it is :p
[09:24] <czajkowski> not wet :)
[09:24] <czajkowski> did have nice saussages and white pudding and eggs there for breakie :D
[09:25] <AlanBell> mmm white pudding
[09:25] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:26] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[09:26] <bittin^work> morning brobostigon
[09:26] <czajkowski> AlanBell: and superquinn saussages and galtee bacon
[09:26] <brobostigon> hey knightwise and bittin^work
[09:27] <knightwise> 0/
[09:27] <knightwise> ok , dumb question , can I still display video's that require silverlight in Ubuntu ?
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: sometimes
[09:27] <knightwise> ( I know , i wouldn't dream of visiting a site that requires it .. ) but I need to grab some video's with Kazam for work
[09:28] <bittin^work> cool a Metro version of TuneinRadio :)
[09:29] <AlanBell> czajkowski: bit of brown bread with that?
[09:29] <czajkowski> no no soda bread here
[09:29] <czajkowski> :(
[09:29]  * BigRedS is going to UDS apparently
[09:30] <czajkowski> BigRedS: really :D
[09:31] <AlanBell> BigRedS: excellent!
[09:31] <AlanBell> I am not going this time, but it is pretty cool
[09:31] <Darael> knightwise: My memory of it all's a bit old, but there's Silverlight?
[09:32] <Darael> s/Silverlight/Moonlight
[09:32] <knightwise> aha , found it , there is a plugin for chromium
[09:32] <knightwise> gonna try that
[09:32] <knightwise> hmm
[09:32] <knightwise> doenst work :(
[09:36] <BigRedS> czajkowski: yeah, just for a day. Work rang and asked what I was up to on the 30th and if I had a passport
[09:37] <popey> which day?
[09:37] <popey> oh, 30th :)
[09:37] <BigRedS> haha
[09:37] <Laney> is that the friday?
[09:37] <Laney> i.e. not a UDS day :(
[09:38] <czajkowski> tuesday
[09:38] <czajkowski> UDS 29/10 - 1/11
[09:39] <knightwise>
[09:39] <Laney> oh cool beans
[09:39] <BigRedS> so I shall be wandering around loudly advocating swap files, since that's all I can think of that I'd particularly like to get into 13.04 :)
[09:39] <Laney> I was looking at November, when the 30th is a Friday
[09:40] <BigRedS> that or listening to people :)
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Swap-to-RAM
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> +disk
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> that's the future!
[09:40] <BigRedS> haha, yes!
[09:40] <BigRedS> I'm going to start offering that to people who keep swapping
[09:40] <knightwise> anyone know a fix for a conky window that keeps floating OVER every other window ?
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: in-memory gzipped ramdisk
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: re-invent MagnaRAM
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagnaRAM#MagnaRAM
[09:43] <BigRedS> Sometimes I'm a bit pleased that I didn't have to deal with all these pre-about-2001 great ideas in computers
[09:56] <mungojerry> anyone noticed that giffgaff are changing their unlimited internet tariff?
[09:56] <mungojerry> the £10pm one gets tehtering allowed, but usage is now 500mb
[09:57] <mungojerry> the unlimited one (no tether) is £12
[09:59] <psst_> oh that's cool
[09:59] <psst_> must tether my wife's laptop and phone, because she uses that tariff and doesn't run up much Internet
[10:02] <BigRedS> I still don't see why mobile providers should know or care whether I'm tethering or not. 1GB is 1G whether it stops at my phone or carries on into a laptop
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:03] <psst_> yeah, I agree that they shouldn't be introspecting our data and charging differently according to characteristics they discern
[10:03] <Darael> BigRedS: It makes a certain amount of sense for unlimited data plans because poeple are likely to use more data if they're tethering, and it's probably "unlimited" based on assumptions about how much people use from a phone.
[10:03] <mungojerry> BigRedS, it was unlimited, so i guess unlimited is OK, so long as the portion of users using around 100-300mb in reality is manageable, but if abused by tetheres, it could habitually be 2-5gb
[10:03] <diplo> mungojerry: yeah it's 1gb thoughnot 500 ?
[10:03]  * mungojerry checks
[10:04] <diplo> Well that's what my email said yesterday
[10:04] <mungojerry> correct 1gb http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Blog/Upcoming-goodybag-and-tariff-changes/ba-p/6203900
[10:04] <psst_> and when is this effective from? Can I tether right now?
[10:04] <mungojerry> didn't get the mail though
[10:04] <mungojerry> psst_, 6th november
[10:04] <diplo> it was my payment one
[10:04] <psst_> bah!
[10:04] <psst_> I want it now!
[10:05] <mungojerry> i have recurring goodybag
[10:05] <mungojerry> just happened to read it on blog
[10:05] <diplo> yeah same  here
[10:05] <psst_> so does my wife
[10:05] <mungojerry> you already have GG?
[10:05] <mungojerry> switched my wife this week
[10:05] <psst_> (I work from home and get by on an occasional £5 goodybag
[10:05] <mungojerry> might be able to use the £5 one now
[10:05] <psst_> mungojerry: is the new wife any better?
[10:06] <mungojerry> badum -chish
[10:06] <mungojerry> how long does credit last?
[10:07] <psst_> ooh - no idea.  I just assumed it lasted indefinitely if you didn't leave the phone unused for a long time
[10:07] <psst_> I went away for 7 weeks and lost nothing.
[10:07] <mungojerry> maybe i can get £5pm and have £5 credit for non GG calls that should last me a few months at least
[10:10] <psst_> yeah, actually I'm wondering whether I even need to buy goodybags any more.  I still don't have data working (never bothered) and I use about 10 texts a month and only really call giffgaff  or 0800 numbers, and the occasional landline
[10:11] <mungojerry> wow
[10:11] <mungojerry> my talktalk broadband price has increased around 25% latly
[10:11] <psst_> to what?
[10:12] <mungojerry> about £28
[10:12] <mungojerry> was more like 20-22
[10:12] <mungojerry> bb+phone
[10:12] <mungojerry> hardly use phone either
[10:14] <psst_> I pay just under £45 for 60MBs bb+unused phone+cable+1TB tivo
[10:15] <psst_> I certainly missed the broadband when I worked over a 3G+ connection from remote foreign parts
[10:17] <psst_> probably too much given that we manage to watch at most 5 hours of non-free tv a week
[10:18] <Darael> Try a 10s-latency CDMA connection in Remote Foreign Parts some time.
[10:18]  * Darael shudders*
[10:19] <Darael> ...Where did that asterisk come from?
[10:19] <Dave2> probably from Digium.
[10:19] <Darael> I think I'll just blame Typo Gremlins.
[10:19] <psst_> Darael: it's one you sent several years ago over that high-latency connection
[10:19]  * davmor2 doesn't know
[10:20] <Darael> psst_: As good an explanation as any.  I'll take it.
[10:20] <psst_> that'll be £45, please
[10:21] <Darael> Hmm.  I'm not carrying cash.  Can I interest you in a top-quality domesticated reason, instead?  I have several.  Trying to crossbreed them with excuses.
[10:21] <davmor2> Darael: I'd go for voodoo myself
[10:22] <psst_> Darael: if you have one that will satisfy the wife when she finds I haven't done any washing up or packing for the weekend yet, I'll take it
[10:24] <davmor2> psst_: well the obvious thing there is to do it :P
[10:24]  * psst_ gasps
[10:25] <psst_> ok, she just texted to say she's stuck in a traffic jam
[10:25] <psst_> that gives me a few mins.
[10:25] <psst_> Thanks for all the info, guys
[10:44] <BigRedS> Hm. what's the current fashionable thing to use to run an apt repositiory? I tried to add some packages to my reprepro one yesterday and realised I had no idea what I was doing.
[10:44] <BigRedS> is there a new thing I should be doing?
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> reprepro?
[11:02] <Laney> that's what I use
[11:02] <Laney> I just have the correct incantation in my history
[11:03] <Laney> reprepro --ignore=missingfile -Vb ~/public_html/packages include quantal gnome-desktop3_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2_amd64.changes
[11:03] <Laney> \o/
[11:04]  * czajkowski breaks Laneys reprepro
[11:04]  * Laney breaks the whole archive :(
[11:05] <Laney> (or annoys czajkowski for rescoring? ^_^)
[11:05] <czajkowski> oh do not even go there
[11:05] <BigRedS> Laney: aha, ta!
[11:05]  * czajkowski headdesks
[11:05]  * Laney giggles
[11:06] <czajkowski> >:(
[11:06] <Laney> BigRedS: there's a bit of initial setup to do too
[11:06] <czajkowski> I've not been giggling
[11:06] <BigRedS> yeah, it used to work
[11:06] <Laney> to make the indices
[11:06] <BigRedS> I used to have a script for it but I can't find it now... I think I accidentally tidied it
[11:06] <Laney> but I only need that once every six months, so …
[11:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: Prod
[11:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: don't let Laney annoy you, you know thats my job :D
[11:17] <mungojerry> what's the cheapest bband + phone packages you guys got?
[11:19]  * popey has virgin cable
[11:29] <knightwi1e> Eeevnin
[11:30] <knightwi1e> oops
[11:30] <knightwi1e> looks like i"m  allready here !
[11:34] <davmor2> mungojerry: I'm with popey but I have Phone, Tv and BB
[11:42] <mungojerry> on the phone to talktalk
[11:42] <mungojerry> struggling a bit to drive them down
[11:44] <AlanBell> plusnet ftw
[11:45] <mungojerry> AlanBell, is that a bt LINE?
[11:46] <AlanBell> yeah,BT infinity without BT
[11:47] <mungojerry> i would have to change provider since i have tt line
[11:48] <mungojerry> what do they do when they taptap on the keybaord? nothing i guess
[11:50] <mungojerry> accordingly i cannot offer you more than half price rental for more than 3 months
[12:06] <dwatkins> ooh, is that fibre to the cabinet, AlanBell?
[12:07] <AlanBell> dwatkins: yeah, 70Mbps down
[12:07] <dwatkins> nice
[12:08] <dwatkins> according to their website I could get 40 MBit.
[12:08] <dwatkins> If the upload speed is to be believed, it's ten times what I get now.
[12:08]  * dwatkins wonders if there's an unlimited option with a static IP address
[12:09] <AlanBell> I have static
[12:09] <AlanBell> the extra packages have static IP
[12:09] <dwatkins> 250GB seems pretty good, though as a limit.
[12:09] <dwatkins> I'm currently with BeThere, they seem to let me do what I want.
[12:09] <gord> i have 80mbit down fibre, use about 150gb a month
[12:09] <gord> with zen not plusnet
[12:10] <AlanBell> yeah, I don't think I could get close to 250GB
[12:10] <gord> i could, but the 400gb package is the next one up for me, might upgrade just for piece of mind
[12:11] <AlanBell> 41.44GB last month
[12:11] <AlanBell> 26.88GB the month before
[12:12] <AlanBell> and midnight to 8am doesn't count
[12:12] <AlanBell> I had 6GB of midnight to 8am last month
[12:12] <bittin^work> anyone wanna play songpop?
[12:12] <dwatkins> I don't think I can tell how much internets I use. If I look at eth0 on my server, it includes internal traffic.
[12:13] <gord> my router has a little measuring thing
[12:13] <AlanBell> this is from the plus.net customer console
[12:14] <dwatkins> yeah, bethere has no such tool, probably because they're not counting it
[12:14] <gord> i switched from be, they can't get their act together with reguards to fibre and didn't like that they started blocking websites cos of that court order thingy
[12:15] <dwatkins> I thought everyone had to comply with those court orders to block certain websites.
[12:15] <gord> only companies that were part of the thing, its not a law it was a court order
[12:17] <dwatkins> ah ok
[12:30] <mungojerry> phone lines are such a swindle
[12:31] <mungojerry> even with fibre they discourage you (with ££) from unbdundling your phone from the package
[12:31] <dwatkins> I barely use my landline at home any more.
[12:32] <mungojerry> yeah, but you pay almost the same as your mobile for it
[12:32] <dwatkins> If I could persuade my parents to call me via Skype, I'd only keep it for emergencies.
[12:32] <dwatkins> more, I think - my mobile costs me 13 a month.
[12:32] <dwatkins> oops, that was supposed to have a pound symbol
[12:33] <popey> my wife is on the phone for hours in the evening
[12:33] <mungojerry> to the same person each time popey ?
[12:33] <dwatkins> to people who own computers, popey? ;)
[12:33] <mungojerry> using popey's sip gateway?
[12:33] <dwatkins> I wonder if I can get my brothers to call me via sipgate
[12:33] <dwatkins> haha
[12:34] <popey> hmm, interesting, maybe one day I'll setup asterisk
[12:34] <popey> i have a sip phone on my desk
[12:34] <popey> cisco 7940
[12:34] <mungojerry> either that or you can buy a skype phone thingy
[12:34] <mungojerry> for the house
[12:34] <dwatkins> I assume my Cisco phone at work uses SIP or some other kind of VoiP.
[12:34] <dwatkins> there's always the mobile apps for Skype or SIP, too.
[12:34] <mungojerry> skype quality sucks though
[12:34] <dwatkins> I can make 0800 calls from my mobile for free with sipgate's app and a free account.
[12:35] <mungojerry> dwatkins, how much per minute are the sipgate charges?
[12:35] <mungojerry> couldn't work out if 0.02p or £0.02
[12:35] <dwatkins> mungojerry: no idea, I've never paid them a penny ;) http://www.sipgate.co.uk/ has details I imagine
[12:36] <dwatkins> looks like 1.19 pence per minute to UK landlines
[12:37] <mungojerry> what a rip off, walker release new crisps that look like mcocys and are in big bags, but only weigh 28g ass opposed to the mccoys
[12:38] <dwatkins> I remember crisps.
[12:38] <mungojerry> i remember them every day at lunch time, and eat them
[12:38] <dwatkins> I miss them a little.
[12:38] <mungojerry> i miss curry and spicy food :(
[12:39] <dwatkins> I'd be gutted to have had to give that up
[12:39] <mungojerry> yeah
[12:40] <dwatkins> I also miss sugar a little, but not too badly.
[12:40] <mungojerry> however if i'm ever convicted or murder i'll eat a doner kebab with chilli sauce, and a hot curry
[12:40] <mungojerry> before being sent to the chair
[12:40] <dwatkins> are you allergic to hot spicy food, mungojerry? :-/;
[12:40] <AlanBell> we don't do chairs
[12:40] <mungojerry> intolerant to the effect of extreme appendicitis-like pain
[12:41] <dwatkins> AlanBell: after what some parliaments have done to the UK, nothing would surprise me, sadly.
[12:41] <dwatkins> mungojerry: eek
[12:41] <dwatkins> I'm lactose-intolerant, but it's easily worked-around and even agrees with my diet.
[12:41] <mungojerry> i'm probably something else intolerant as i can't gain weight, and feel tired a lot, but dunno what
[12:42] <dwatkins> I feel much better for having given up carbs and sugars, less fluctuation in energy levels.
[12:42] <mungojerry> but...but...minstrels
[12:42] <mungojerry> and haribo
[12:43] <dwatkins> I know
[12:43] <dwatkins> those are the things I miss - I sometimes am naughty
[12:45] <mungojerry> my drawer at work is legendary
[12:45] <mungojerry> monster munch, chocolate and haribo, and biccies
[12:46] <mungojerry> as part of a balanced diet of course
[12:46] <dwatkins> whereas I have lots of screwdrivers and cables...
[12:46] <dwatkins> even the internal support guy comes to me for stuff sometimes
[12:46] <mungojerry> and i don't/can't really drink beer anymore either
[12:46] <dwatkins> a balanced diet of monster munch and haribo sounds wonderful ;)
[12:56] <shauno> nothing makes a fun day like a library where every single included example fails to run :/
[13:20] <gord> its like raaayhaaain, on your wedding day
[13:21] <davmor2> a traffic jam when your already late
[13:21]  * czajkowski sticks a gobstoppper in gord
[13:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: Why?
[13:23] <czajkowski> wy not
[13:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: that doesn't answer the question posed, if you'd said cause he likes sweets I could of gone with that but no :D
[13:27] <czajkowski> it's been a long day/week Laney will vouch for it
[13:27] <davmor2> Laney: don't vouch it's a trap
[13:29] <Laney> it's FRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDAY
[13:30] <davmor2> \o/
[13:31]  * brobostigon eyes up some beer
[13:31]  * davmor2 added the pompom's to annoy czajkowski some more
[13:40] <Laney> god, it's freezing today
[13:41]  * Laney resists the urge to turn the heating on
[13:43]  * dwatkins resists the urge to turn the desk fan on
[13:43] <dwatkins> I think our air conditioning thinks it's the dead of winter
[13:45] <gord> i put on the heating hours ago :P
[13:48] <diplo> heating....! It's only October!
[13:49] <mungojerry> its because you're still wearing summer gear
[13:53] <diplo> I'm just a stingy git :)
[13:53] <diplo> Bought blankets for the kids instead
[13:58]  * czajkowski has her electric blanket on these days
[13:58] <czajkowski> Heavenly!
[14:03] <BigRedS> wuss
[14:08] <czajkowski> it's cold!
[14:10] <gord> and more importantly, warm things are great
[14:10] <BigRedS> it's not cold! Water is still liquid!
[14:11] <kirrus> It's cold.
[14:11] <kirrus> We might be having an argument about whether the aircon goes on in the office or not...
[14:12] <diplo> Electric blankets, my gran used to have electric blankets, didn't know they still did them
[14:13] <kirrus> Yeah.. I should probably pull mine out at some point..
[14:13] <kirrus> cheaper than putting the heating on
[14:15] <diplo> I just go without the heating and get nice and warm under the duvet
[14:18] <kirrus> sometimes I think that all it'd take to make BigRedS really *really* happy would be an infinitly-full and eternally hot mug of coffee...
[14:21] <BigRedS> cold coffee's good, too, sometimes
[14:31] <Linuxriv> org
[14:31] <czajkowski> ewww
[14:31] <czajkowski> Tea
[14:31] <czajkowski> :)
[14:32] <AlanBell> tomato juice \o/
[14:32] <AlanBell> popey: did you get yours yet?
[14:32] <SuperMatt> pear drops \o/
[14:32] <czajkowski> pear juice or pineapple juice is lovely
[14:32] <AlanBell> grapefruit are also nom
[14:32] <SuperMatt> I love pineapple juice
[14:33] <popey> AlanBell, no, i moaned about it on twitter, and HDNL (Yodel) found my moan and followed me and figured out the problem
[14:34] <popey> "Hi. Unfortunately the Tomato Juice was damaged so was disposed of. I'm glad Amazon are sending more! If"
[14:34] <popey> I replied "Kinda alarming that I had to go off to twitter and find out that product was damaged, got no notification otherwise."
[14:34] <popey> "I understand mate. As soon as you get that tracking number, DM me with it and I will keep an eye on your parcel. Danny :-)"
[14:34] <popey> I don't like people I don't know calling me "mate"
[14:35] <jpds> popey: Better go and tell him that.
[14:36] <AlanBell> interesting to see how they are using twitter
[14:36] <Laney> "I'm not your mate"
[14:36] <Laney> Then you square up to him
[14:37] <AlanBell> not sure if I should wear a warm coat or a waterproof
[14:39] <diplo> Waterproof, it's not that cold outside :)
[15:14] <gord> warm and take a brolly, brollys are more fun
[15:16] <Azelphur> I don't want to pay £10 for this cable, but I can't find it anywhere else cheaper. http://www.tabletchargersandcases.co.uk/double-male-55mm-x-25mm-55x25-connect-dc-lead-cable-1816-p.asp :(
[15:16] <mungojerry> he's just trying to be nice though
[15:16] <popey> make one?
[15:16] <gord> you can't take two others and just solder them together?
[15:16] <Azelphur> don't really wanna make one, mostly because I'm lazy
[15:17] <Azelphur> xD
[15:17] <popey> pay the £10 lazy tax then :)
[15:17] <awilkins> It's one of those teach-a-man-to-fish-and-buy-him-a-soldering-iron things
[15:17] <Azelphur> guess so, haha
[15:18] <awilkins> AlanBell, I prefer a hat to a brolly
[15:19] <awilkins> AlanBell, a wide-brim hat requires no hands. And breaks less than brollies in wind. Get a crushable one and you can stuff it in your coat if it's really windy
[15:19] <AlanBell> I have one
[15:19] <awilkins> Plus of course, hats are cool
[15:19] <AlanBell> they are

[15:21] <AlanBell> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-TOA5hh_e5Ww/T0n1VF9o7MI/AAAAAAAACCM/KxPYHEUnKFg/s480/2012-02-26+09.00.05.jpg
[15:21] <Azelphur> ebay is nice and logical with it's delivery options, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/October/2012-10-05-161910_250x105_scrot.png
[15:21] <awilkins> AlanBell, If I had a mirror in the hallway, I could take a picture strangely familiar to that one
[15:22] <awilkins> For a moment, I thought it was me.
[15:22] <gord> one day aliens are gonna land, find all these pictures of people holding up phones and assume its some sort of way of communicating. it'll get awkward as they hold up plastic black things at us
[15:23] <AlanBell> gord: indeed, especially as they would probably be holding copies of last years iPhone
[15:23] <gord> how embarassing
[15:24] <AlanBell> inorite
[15:24] <gord> yarly
[15:24] <awilkins> "Your phone doesn't even do NFC?
[15:35] <davmor2> awilkins: no Bow ties are cool
[15:36] <awilkins> And Stetsons
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> and fezes
[15:58] <diplo> Guys if anyone is still about
[15:58] <diplo> thoughts
[15:58] <diplo> We run a statement run that creates files with names like sp10.000.randomnumber
[15:59] <diplo> We have had a code change for statements, I'm testing it.. pre code had 307 docs out
[15:59] <diplo> post 304
[15:59] <diplo> because of randomnumber i can't diff the files
[15:59] <diplo> Any thoughts of a way of diffing them, basically has customer address/accnt number and invoices listed
[16:00] <gord> if the files don't change, just md5 them
[16:00] <diplo> Ooh now that's a thought, no don't change apart from filename
[16:01] <diplo> cheers gord, will try that tuesday
[16:01] <diplo> Offhome
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> woo
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> Fibre date has been re-re-re-re-determined
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> it's nov-19 now
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> first time it's actually moved _closer_ instead of further away :)
[16:42] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: don't let them know that they'll move it twice else once back to where it was and then once further back ;)
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Nah, cables have been under my window for over a year now.. they're really coming :)
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: everyone else in town is finally getting connected
[16:43] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: they were now you just get sadtrombone.com ;)
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: flat life :(
[16:44] <ch3sh1r> ping
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> pong!
[16:46] <ch3sh1r> ok
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://goo.gl/maps/CrXyl up there somewhere :)
[16:47] <davmor2> Who'd of thought that turtle was the best tool to teach yourself to program?
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: what would you call a building like that in English? And a house in it?
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> (you can turn around in the street view to see another one)
[16:49] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: if it's 2 story homes in a block it's a maisonette if it's all single floors then it's a block of flats
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: it's all single floors
[16:50] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: unless your down south then it become an appartment block because it doesn't sound like it is a council Flat :D
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> ok, that's very close to what we call it in Dutch ("flat", both for the building and one single house in it)
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: it used to be "government-sponsored housing" (i.e. lower-class), but it's being sold now to "improve the neighborhood"
[16:57] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: http://goo.gl/maps/AYkrN I've no idea what you are talking about :)  this is where I live and if you go further up the road it gets worse :)
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: at least I don't have to watch out for falling bags of garbage anymore ;)
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> people used to throw those down from their balconies..
[16:59] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: to be fair our lot are pretty good at using the shute rooms for the bins
[18:15] <AlanBell> evening all
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> \o AlanBell
[18:17]  * AlanBell is on the third pint
[18:17]  * MartijnVdS on the 0th
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> My brothers made a special Bock for my dad's birthday.. had enough yesterday :)
[19:05] <davmor2> night all have a great weekend
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:49] <diplo> Evening all
[19:50] <diplo> Trying Quantal after being recommended
[19:51] <diplo> 2 things, no sound, under sound settings all I have is dummy sound
[19:51] <diplo> Second issue is, installing dropbox, linitial says that dropbox deb isn't a good package, anyone else have an issue with it ?
[19:54] <popey> diplo, yeah, get dropbox from their website
[19:54] <diplo> yeah i did, I can force the install
[19:55] <diplo> But thought I;d ask here if it's ok to
[19:59] <diplo> Got to say Quantal seems a lot faster / more refined
[20:37] <popey> quiet evening
[20:47] <jacobw> kinda
[21:06] <directhex> everyone's busy playing borderlands 2
[21:42] <Azelphur> christel: if you happen to be about, could you boot shellmix123 off #limnoria? he's mass flood highlighting and no ops are about :)
[21:46] <Azelphur> sorted now
[23:35] <Azelphur> has anyone got face authentication working in 12.04+ yet?
[23:51] <mattt> that exists?
[23:53] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: not sure about on ubuntu, but when it came out on mac you could use a photograph. Would not trust it too much.
[23:56] <Azelphur> it exists, it's just broken on 12.04
[23:56] <Azelphur> and yea, I know you can use a photo


[10:07] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:31] <donofrio> andone know how to resolve this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kPhRT6CJ8s/
[11:31] <donofrio> anyone I meant
[15:05] <Ian_Corne> enyc: did you get answer
[15:09] <enyc> Ian_Corne: about...?
[16:42] <donofrio> fwiw I needed this workaround to get apt-get working - https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/1761#issuecomment-392578042 (it was the udev-fix part that made it work for my hosts)
[17:15] <nacc> donofrio: sounds like a WSL issue, not related to ubuntu
[17:16] <nacc> because WSL is *not* Ubuntu :)
[18:53] <Ian_Corne> about ppa's
[19:24] <nacc> Ian_Corne: ?
[20:28] <guntbert> nacc: can you point me to a source for "WSL is *not* Ubuntu" ?