[02:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> Is there any reason why openexr is on the i386 whitelist? Excuses show the new version won't migrate due to missing imath, but afaict there's no build of imath for i386.
[04:11] <jbicha> Eickmeyer[m]: openexr is used by gst-plugins-bad1.0 . ubuntu-archive can add more dependencies to build on i386
[04:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> jbicha: I see. Looks like we need to add imath to i386 so openexr can migrate. I need that openexr for darktable 4.0.
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[05:49] <vorlon> Eickmeyer[m], jbicha: imath whitelisted, but it build-depends on python3-numpy; I'm not building that horror show on i386, I'll patch imath to skip python3-imath on i386
[05:59] <vorlon> oops, I built an empty python3-imath package instead; eh close enough
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[14:22] <ricotz> ddstreet, thank you!
[16:09] <vorlon> well that's curious, how did the ubuntucinnamon packages wind up as 'priority: important' https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/priority-mismatches.html
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[16:12] <luis220413> vorlon: It is because the debian/control file for its source package has 'Priority: important'. I will file a bug for this.
[16:13] <luis220413> vorlon: Bug 1987213
[16:20] <luis220413> vorlon: This also occurs in ubuntucinnamon-wallpapers.
[16:34] <jbicha> luis220413: btw, there are several examples of "ubuntu1" versioning in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[16:39] <luis220413> jbicha: I believe all that versioning is mistakes. That versioning can cause regressions on upgrade.
[16:39] <jbicha> luis220413: many of those uploads are from me :)
[16:42] <luis220413> jbicha: Yes, I see 7 uploads from you with versions ending in ubuntu1. But you just need to make sure that Kinetic has a higher version.
[16:42] <luis220413> To be complete: You just need to make sure that later supported Ubuntu releases and the current development release have higher versions.
[16:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> luis220413: Do you understand how versioning in Ubuntu works for ubuntu-specific packages?
[16:44] <luis220413> Yes. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update_the_packaging
[16:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> luis220413: I'd caution against telling more experienced and tenured developers how it works when they're the ones who basically wrote that document as they're the ones in this channel.
[16:46] <luis220413> Eickmeyer[m]: Sorry, but then I walked back. I always increment the second Ubuntu version (the Y in ubuntuX.Y) to be more professional.
[16:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> luis220413: That doesn't matter. When you have more experience and have more tenure, you have more authority. Ubuntu is a meritocracy. I've told you to stop this demanding and authoritative behavior before, I'm telling you again.
[16:48] <luis220413> OK
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[19:57] <RikMills> ricotz: if you are still interested, Qt 6.3.1 is now migrating
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[23:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted endeavour [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed) [42.0-2]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qt-advanced-docking-system [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed) [3.8.3-1]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qt-color-widgets [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed) [2.2.0-1]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-predicates-tree [armhf] (kinetic-proposed) [1.0.5-1]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted benchmark [s390x] (kinetic-proposed) [1.7.0-2]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qt-color-widgets [armhf] (kinetic-proposed) [2.2.0-1]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted xrt [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [202<IP_ADDRESS>6+dfsg-5]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted endeavour [s390x] (kinetic-proposed) [42.0-2]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-predicates-tree [arm64] (kinetic-proposed) [1.0.5-1]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted benchmark [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [1.7.0-2]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted otf2 [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [3.0-2]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qt-color-widgets [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [2.2.0-1]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unuran [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [1.9.0-1]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wayout [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed) [0.1.2-2]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted endeavour [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [42.0-2]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-predicates-tree [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed) [1.0.5-1]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted zcfan [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [1.2.1-1]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qt-advanced-docking-system [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [3.8.3-1]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wayout [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [0.1.2-2]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted benchmark [i386] (kinetic-proposed) [1.7.0-2]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-predicates-tree [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [1.0.5-1]
[23:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted guider [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [3.9.8-1]
[23:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted vdt [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [0.4.4-1]
[23:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: qt-advanced-docking-system [riscv64] (kinetic-proposed/none) [3.8.3-1] (no packageset)
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[23:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: benchmark [riscv64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [1.7.0-2] (i386-whitelist)
[23:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: qt-color-widgets [riscv64] (kinetic-proposed/none) [2.2.0-1] (no packageset)
[23:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: wayout [riscv64] (kinetic-proposed/none) [0.1.2-2] (no packageset)
[23:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: unuran [riscv64] (kinetic-proposed/none) [1.9.0-1] (no packageset)


[15:01] <chiluk> o/ ???  all alone.
[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <chiluk> I have a feeling my chances of reaching quorum are going to be difficult this week.
[15:02] <chiluk> what about xnox, and cyphermox, and the rest of the DMB peeps?
[15:02]  * xnox is here
[15:02] <cyphermox> o/
[15:02] <sil2100> cyphermox is around for sure, just talked with him on -devel
[15:02] <sil2100> chiluk: weren't you applying 2 weeks ago? ;)
[15:02] <cyphermox> I pinged infinity already
[15:03] <chiluk> sil2100: I was... but we couldn't get quorum
[15:03] <cyphermox> micahg: are you around after all?
[15:03] <sil2100> Ah, ok
[15:03] <chiluk> so the vote was postponed.
[15:03] <cyphermox> stgraber: poke
[15:03] <sil2100> oh, some ocaml leftovers in NBS
[15:03] <sil2100> That won't look good on my resume
[15:05] <cyphermox> sil2100: it happens, that was nice transition
[15:05]  * sil2100 promises to deal with those this week
[15:06] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[15:06] <chiluk> I have a feeling infinity is either asleep, on vacation or both.
[15:06] <cyphermox> oh, that might be the case
[15:06] <chiluk> it's thanksgiving week for us Americans.
[15:06] <cyphermox> yep
[15:06] <chiluk> cyphermox how many do you need for quorum.
[15:06] <cyphermox> 4 people
[15:06] <cyphermox> we're two right now
[15:07] <cyphermox> of course the two most important, impartial, and kind people are around
[15:07] <cyphermox> humble, too ;)
[15:07] <cyphermox> bdmurray: around?
[15:08] <cyphermox> Laney: poke poke.
[15:08]  * sil2100 pokes stgraber just in case
[15:09] <cyphermox> I may be able to call stgraber if necessary, but I don't have a way to reach others if not through IRC
[15:10] <chiluk> you guys are killing me.. at this rate, I'll be applying for coredev instead of UCD...
[15:10] <cyphermox> chiluk: hehe
[15:11] <cyphermox> I wish people tried harder to make it to the meetings, but I'm often guilty of forgetting about it too.
[15:11] <chiluk> yeah I was just making a joke.. I was fearful two weeks ago that this would happen due to the holiday here.
[15:12] <sil2100> Isn't Adam in Canada now anyway?
[15:12] <chiluk> doesn't mean he'd be awake.
[15:12] <cyphermox> Stephane and Adam have no excuse, it's not thanksgiving in Canada ;)
[15:12] <sil2100> I thought the turkey-thing was only for the US guys
[15:12] <sil2100> ;)
[15:13] <chiluk> it is but I thought Adam was american by birth.. we bring our holidays with us wherever we go.
[15:14] <cyphermox> stgraber should be around soon
[15:14] <chiluk> including xnox that would make 4.
[15:14]  * stgraber waves :)
[15:15] <chiluk> Hey Hey!
[15:15] <sil2100> \o/
[15:15] <cyphermox> just need one more DMB member.
[15:16] <xnox> !dbm-ping
[15:16] <cyphermox> !dmb-ping
[15:17] <chiluk> isn't there some double jeopardy clause in the by-laws such that if an applicant can't be voted on for more than one meeting they are automatically accepted?
[15:17] <chiluk> please please...
[15:17] <cyphermox> chiluk: we can certainly do it by email
[15:17] <Laney> I'm here
[15:17] <Laney> sorry
[15:17] <Laney> !dmb-ping
[15:17] <chiluk> wooHOO!
[15:17] <cyphermox> yay
[15:17] <Laney> full of cold
[15:17] <sil2100> \o/
[15:18] <chiluk> let's get this party started.
[15:18] <chiluk> I know you guys have more important things to do.
[15:18] <cyphermox> micah's turn to chair but he's not around. stgraber can you do it?
[15:19]  * xnox is confused if we have all or not.
[15:19] <stgraber> yup
[15:19] <Laney> all what?
[15:19] <cyphermox> xnox: we have quorum
[15:20] <stgraber> #startmeeting DMB meeting
[15:20] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Nov 23 15:20:04 2015 UTC.  The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:20] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:20] <cyphermox> 4 DMB members, as I recall
[15:20] <xnox> cyphermox, cool.
[15:21] <stgraber> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:21] <stgraber> Laney to start an onboarding page for new dmb members
[15:21] <stgraber> Laney: has that been done or should we carry this one over?
[15:22] <Laney> I did it
[15:22] <Laney> I mailed a link to the list asking for comments
[15:22] <Laney> didn't get any
[15:22] <cyphermox> can you share the link here for the minutes/
[15:22]  * xnox does not recall.... =(
[15:23] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase
[15:23]  * cyphermox searches
[15:23] <stgraber> oh yeah, just found the e-mail
[15:23] <Laney> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:52:51 +0100
[15:23] <stgraber> DMB members who didn't consent to fill in feedback to Noskcaj
[15:26]  * xnox ducks
[15:26] <stgraber> I think we need to keep this one as I'm not seeing evidence that this happened :)
[15:26] <cyphermox> yes
[15:26] <stgraber> #topic Confirm whether we grant membership for uploaders by default
[15:26] <xnox> last meeting we converged to the following: if one wants membership one should apply as contributing developer, motu, or core-dev.
[15:27] <xnox> per-package(set) uploaders do not assume membership.
[15:27] <Laney> erm
[15:27] <cyphermox> Laney: we had some discussion about this at the last meeting but it seemed like we couldn't quite get to an agreement
[15:27] <Laney> you decided to change the criteria?
[15:27] <xnox> if one wants PPU + membership, one should explicitely apply for PPU+contributing developer.
[15:27] <Laney> oh geez
[15:27] <xnox> Laney, yeah, this is summary of a (new) opinion, some board members had.
[15:28] <xnox> i.e. myself and (micahg?!) can't remember now.
[15:28] <cyphermox> could we perhaps move ahead to voting on this proposition, or decide to amend it?
[15:28] <stgraber> yeah, we can vote but by the sounds of it, it won't pass
[15:29] <cyphermox> which won't pass? ;)
[15:29] <stgraber> we're only 4 around, if we don't get 4 +1s it'll fail
[15:29] <cyphermox> right
[15:29] <xnox> we can vote as is. I will vote -1 on "grant membership for uploaders by default". And say that there is already mechanism for that -> contributing developer.
[15:29] <xnox> i can be convinced that i'm being illogical =)
[15:29] <stgraber> the proposal on the agenda is to by default assume that PPU means membership unless we decide otherwise
[15:29] <cyphermox> well, then it needs to be amended, and we probably should take this to email instead so everyone can bring up their points
[15:29] <xnox> and that e.g. contributing member -> is membership without any upload rights, and that membership is needed for uploading anything.
[15:30] <Laney> It's too much of a burden to assume that people will understand this, and doesn't make sense to make the DMB explicitly make this determination fro every application
[15:30] <Laney> whatever
[15:30] <cyphermox> doesn't it kind of involve sustained contributions at least to even be considered for PPU?
[15:30] <stgraber> I agree with Laney, it's way easier for us to determine when someone shouldn't be getting membership and make it clear then rather than require EVERYONE to request both
[15:31] <cyphermox> in which case Laney's proposition is simple and straightforward
[15:31] <xnox> oh, if we grant it when people are eligble, that makes sense.
[15:32] <xnox> and it's up to us to be diligent, and say "yeah cool you can upload but no membership yet, come back for it" that sounds sensible.
[15:32] <cyphermox> xnox: sounds to me like that is what Laney means :)
[15:32] <xnox> i guess at each PPU grant, we do a second mini-vote whether or not to grant membership too?
[15:32] <Laney> No
[15:32] <xnox> why would we do that, instead of granting contributing developer?
[15:33] <cyphermox> I wouldn't even bother
[15:33] <Laney> You just have the vote in the negative case
[15:33] <Laney> in most cases it is implied
[15:33] <xnox> to PPUs, when PPUs apply, and are eligible for membership?
[15:33] <Laney> it really hardly ever comes up in practie
[15:33] <Laney> practice
[15:33] <Laney> so it's not sensible to put the burden on the normal case
[15:33] <xnox> "This does not happen automatically - they must be added to the ~ubuntu-dev team." -> can we not add people to contributing developer instead?
[15:34]  * xnox ponders if we should move on to email.
[15:34] <Laney> ucd isn't in ubuntu-dev
[15:36] <Laney> I'm only happy moving to email if people will actually reply. :)
[15:36] <stgraber> ubuntu-dev is only for Ubuntu members who have upload rights, so being in UCD doesn't get you that
[15:36] <xnox> stgraber, ack.
[15:36] <Laney> it gets you bug control and other teams that UCD doesn't
[15:37] <Laney> because UCD is just membership
[15:37] <xnox> i see.
[15:37] <stgraber> we can also vote for it now and then you can get the rest of the members to vote on the list, may be enough to have this pass
[15:38] <Laney> OK
[15:38] <stgraber> #vote Do we grant Ubuntu membership by default for PPUs (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-August/000815.html)?
[15:38] <meetingology> Please vote on: Do we grant Ubuntu membership by default for PPUs (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-August/000815.html)?
[15:38] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:38] <xnox> +1
[15:38] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[15:38] <stgraber> +1
[15:38] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:38] <cyphermox> +1
[15:38] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[15:38] <Laney> +1
[15:38] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:38] <Laney> nice
[15:38] <stgraber> #endvote
[15:38] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Do we grant Ubuntu membership by default for PPUs (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-August/000815.html)?
[15:38] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:38] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:38] <stgraber> there, done :)
[15:39] <stgraber> Laney: is there any documentation we need updating?
[15:39] <Laney> well, it's the status quo, so no
[15:39] <Laney> in theory
[15:39] <xnox> stgraber, i guess XXX needs removal from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase under teams to add uploaders to
[15:39] <Laney> ah
[15:39] <Laney> I was just going to say that I should add this somewhere
[15:40] <Laney> OK let me edit that
[15:40] <stgraber> cool
[15:40] <stgraber> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications
[15:40] <Laney> that ubuntu-uploaders sentence is utter lies
[15:40]  * Laney fixes that too
[15:41] <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-October/000856.html
[15:42] <stgraber> Laney: ok, so this item is just about adding a new package set for the ubuntu qt stuff and adding a few more packages to the existing qt set?
[15:43] <stgraber> qt5 set today: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/qt5
[15:43] <Laney> I think so
[15:43] <Laney> because they don't fit the description there
[15:44] <stgraber> ok, should we just vote on this then, seems pretty straightforward to me
[15:44] <Laney> Probably, just want to know what a Qt package is
[15:44] <Laney> anything which build-depends on qt at all?
[15:45] <cyphermox> seems wrong
[15:45]  * xnox 'd just update qt5 packageset description to include all qt5* base stuff, irrespective of origin.
[15:45] <cyphermox> plus it probably should be unity8-desktop as a name or something to the effect that it's unity8 things, not necessarily qt
[15:45] <stgraber> proposed description is:
[15:45] <stgraber> Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the
[15:45] <stgraber> upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers
[15:46] <cyphermox> right
[15:46] <stgraber> so not all rdepends of qt, more like tight version rdepends (due to private symbols)
[15:46] <xnox> sounds good. and just stick that as ".. and" into qt5 package set, and update the lot.
[15:46] <stgraber> proposed set of package is:
[15:46] <stgraber> appmenu-qt5 ciborium fcitx-qt5 gsettings-qt maliit-framework oxide-qt
[15:46] <stgraber> qtmir qtmir-gles qtubuntu qtubuntu-gles qtvideo-node ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[15:46] <stgraber> ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles unity8 webbrowser-app
[15:46] <cyphermox> except I can see more people wanting to upload these packages in the future, and things being added that might not be qt5
[15:47] <xnox> existing uploaders know how to upload those, as far as I remember. Or have been co-operating with "private ubuntu qt5" uploads in the past (~kubuntu-dev)
[15:47] <cyphermox> on top of that, all these packages usually go through the CI train, not usually direct uploads
[15:48] <cyphermox> (or, at least most of them, possibly exception being fcitx-qt5 and gsettings-qt
[15:48]  * xnox sides at making timo core-dev, and stop adding new qt packagesets or packages, and then timo can be go to person for ci landing of those components ;-)
[15:48] <stgraber> the proposed set name and description don't specifically mention qt5, just says ubuntu specific stuff using private qt symbols, so typically ubuntu sdk and related libs, with unity8 being a special one
[15:49] <cyphermox> stgraber: there's lots of stuff surrounding that current set that are make with go, and so don't have any qt symbols
[15:49] <cyphermox> or at least, that was my understanding
[15:50] <cyphermox> I mostly just don't like the qt/using qt headers being a criteria for a packageset, I guess
[15:50] <sil2100> Mirv wants to try for core-dev, but said he'll do it after I become a core-dev first
[15:50] <sil2100> Soooo... just saying.. you know...
[15:50] <sil2100> ;)
[15:50] <cyphermox> vote or not, and then move on?
[15:50] <xnox> sil2100, i shall not be peer pressured.
[15:51]  * Laney watches money slide under the table
[15:51] <sil2100> I'm not implying anything! My intentions are as clear as mountain water
[15:51]  * sil2100 goes quiet now
[15:52] <Laney> I'm happy to vote this
[15:52] <stgraber> cyphermox: the static go stuff would never be in that set because if statically built (instead of using cgo), you won't need rebuild/changing when private symbols change in the archive, since it bundles its own copy
[15:52] <stgraber> #vote Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers"
[15:52] <meetingology> Please vote on: Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers"
[15:52] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:52] <cyphermox> stgraber: I'm saying by this that it feels to specific
[15:52] <stgraber> +1
[15:52] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:52] <Laney> I'd be happy to amend this by mail
[15:52] <Laney> it's not the best
[15:52] <Laney> +1
[15:52] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:52] <cyphermox> +0. seems to specific to me, but I won't block if everyone agrees already.
[15:52] <meetingology> +0. seems to specific to me, but I won't block if everyone agrees already. received from cyphermox
[15:52] <stgraber> cyphermox: I like too specific, it's easier to make it less specific than more specific later :)
[15:53] <xnox> +1
[15:53] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[15:53] <cyphermox> I'd rather fewer random packagesets for random things
[15:53] <stgraber> #endvote
[15:53] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers"
[15:53] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[15:53] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:53] <cyphermox> ^ motion carried
[15:53] <Laney> false
[15:53] <stgraber> yeah, that's wrong
[15:53] <Laney> deferred to email
[15:53] <xnox> true.
[15:53] <cyphermox> no, consider it fine for me tbh
[15:53] <Laney> or next meeting
[15:53] <Laney> then you need to vote +1 :P
[15:54] <cyphermox> did you not read what was next to +0? ;)
[15:54] <xnox> we have quorum, and we only need to have possitive outcome.
[15:54] <cyphermox> let's move on
[15:54] <Laney> ffs
[15:54] <stgraber> we need quorum and 4 +1s to have a motion pass, this wasn't the case here
[15:55] <stgraber> so if cyphermox feels like +1ing instead, we can re-vote, otherwise this is moving to ML to get the remaining votes
[15:55] <cyphermox> arf
[15:55] <cyphermox> sure, let's quickly revote
[15:55] <stgraber> #vote Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers"
[15:55] <meetingology> Please vote on: Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers"
[15:55] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:55] <stgraber> +1
[15:55] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:55] <cyphermox> +1
[15:55] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[15:55] <xnox> +1
[15:55] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[15:55] <Laney> +1
[15:55] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:56] <Laney> haha
[15:56] <stgraber> #endvote
[15:56] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers"
[15:56] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:56] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:56] <Laney> thanks!
[15:56] <stgraber> there we go :)
[15:56] <cyphermox> thar.
[15:56] <stgraber> #action stgraber to implement changes listed in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-October/000856.html
[15:56] <meetingology> ACTION: stgraber to implement changes listed in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-October/000856.html
[15:56] <stgraber> #topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications
[15:56] <stgraber> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/chiluk
[15:56] <stgraber> chiluk: still around?
[15:57] <chiluk> yes..
[15:57] <stgraber> can you give us a quick intro on who you are and what you've been doing?
[15:57] <cyphermox> I know chiluk, he definitely did not bribe me to +1.
[15:57] <chiluk> hah.
[15:57] <xnox> I know chiluk, he definitely did not bribe me to +1.
[15:57] <chiluk> Alright, well I work for Canonical on sustaining old releases.
[15:58] <chiluk> mostly for paying customers, but I do my best to get out on public launchpad as often as I can.
[15:58] <chiluk> as such my work is very scatter-brained and unfocussed.
[15:58] <chiluk> I'm not requesting PPU for that reason.
[15:58] <stgraber> sounds like everyone's ready to vote already so let's do it then :)
[15:59] <chiluk> there are very few packages that I will ever touch twice.
[15:59] <chiluk> hah.
[15:59] <stgraber> #startvote UCD for chiluk
[15:59] <chiluk> alright guys.
[15:59] <stgraber> #vote UCD for chiluk
[15:59] <meetingology> Please vote on: UCD for chiluk
[15:59] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:59] <stgraber> +1
[15:59] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:59] <cyphermox> +1
[15:59] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[15:59] <Laney> +!
[15:59] <Laney> 1!!
[15:59] <Laney> +1
[15:59] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:59] <xnox> +1
[15:59] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[15:59] <Laney> PLUS BANG
[15:59] <chiluk> someone should -1 for infinity
[15:59] <stgraber> #endvote
[15:59] <meetingology> Voting ended on: UCD for chiluk
[15:59] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:59] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:59] <sil2100> Man, I should have brought screwdrivers with me to the sprint too...
[15:59] <chiluk> sil2100: why when, I live in town.
[16:00] <cyphermox> chiluk: my only request would be for you to fix https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/8.21-1ubuntu5.2
[16:00] <stgraber> oh, is that how you bribed cyphermox? :)
[16:00] <chiluk> cyphermox, yeah I'm on that.
[16:00] <chiluk> cyphermox, the test never ran before my upload.
[16:00] <cyphermox> stgraber: nah, there was no alcohol, just tools.
[16:00] <chiluk> now it's being run and failing
[16:00] <xnox> chiluk, fyi have you seen https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/8.21-1ubuntu5.2 ? =)
[16:00] <chiluk> although it only fails ont eh buildds.
[16:01] <chiluk> yeah I've been looking into it.
[16:01] <xnox> rightyoh.
[16:01] <chiluk> the test that fails was never getting run before because df couldn't read the mount table, and would thus skip the test.
[16:01] <stgraber> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer application for Łukasz Zemczak
[16:01] <chiluk> so it works better.
[16:01] <xnox> chiluk, "Kernel version: Linux lgw01-46 3.19.0-33-generic #38~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 6 18:17:28 UTC 2015 x86_64" =)
[16:01] <stgraber> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaszZemczak/CoreDeveloperApplication
[16:01] <sil2100> o/
[16:01] <stgraber> good, you're still around :)
[16:02]  * chiluk goes to figure out how to get ubuntu business cards for conferences.
[16:02] <stgraber> sil2100: can you introduce yourself, what you're working on and why you'd like to become a core developer?
[16:02] <sil2100> Sure!
[16:03] <sil2100> I'm Łukasz, working for Canonical for quite a while, currently the semi release-manager for Ubuntu Touch, one of the co-maintainers of the infameous CI Train and current co-maintainer of system-image
[16:03] <sil2100> I'm also a MOTU since over a year
[16:04] <sil2100> Been doing two +1 maintenance sessions, with the most recent one a bit more fruitful than the first
[16:05] <sil2100> I have worked a bit more on main packages recently and decided to re-apply - becoming a core-dev would make my development work much easier, not only from the CI Train side, but also during my patch-pilot and +1 maintenance sessions
[16:06] <sil2100> I'm also the maintainer of the ubuntu-touch seeds and even though the package itself is in universe, the owner of the branches is ubuntu-core-dev, so well ;) I would like to stop bothering people all the time
[16:07] <sil2100> And I think that's basically it, becoming a core-dev is my long-standing goal
[16:08] <Laney> so this isn't your first application
[16:08] <Laney> what's changed since last time? :)
[16:08] <sil2100> No, last time I applied I basically didn't have too much main experience as during all my piloting sessions and archive work I was concentrating on universe, the place where I had power
[16:08] <Mirv> (thanks for the Qt PPU additions. with those I'd manage through Qt 5.5 before applying for core-dev)
[16:09] <sil2100> So since that time I started actually working on main packages as advised by xnox, helping out in the wily FTBFS from the test-rebuilds right before release
[16:09]  * xnox notices abi transitions work from sil as well
[16:09] <sil2100> Then I wanted to help out and resolve the ocaml transition, but sadly most of the packages there were in universe
[16:10] <sil2100> And just now noticed that I have some leftovers in NBS from the transition, ouch! But resolving those now inbetween things
[16:10] <xnox> sil2100, which tools did you use to assist you with ocaml transition?
[16:11] <sil2100> xnox: reverse-depends, a xenial-proposed chroot, I used chdist for checking installability on different platforms (at first I used the porterboxes, but chdist was faster)
[16:11] <xnox> sil2100, any websites at all? e.g. launchpad...?
[16:11] <sil2100> I created a few scripts that were helping me in the no-change rebuilds, checking for installability problems first and then outputting dependencies etc.
[16:12] <sil2100> xnox: used launchpad too, but my scripts were fetching the most required information using LP API
[16:12] <sil2100> Like which archs FTBFS, what binaries are provided by the packages
[16:13] <sil2100> At first I was checking those manually through launchpad, but seeing ~100 packages in the transition, I got tired and wrote some stupid-helpers
[16:13] <xnox> sil2100, have you used transition tracker at all?
[16:13] <sil2100> Of course
[16:14] <xnox> cool.
[16:14] <sil2100> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/ocaml.html
[16:14] <sil2100> That was the main page I was using for the transition
[16:14] <sil2100> (e.g. which packages needed my attention)
[16:17] <sil2100> I see that something causes now ocaml to have installability issues, will look at that later
[16:17] <Laney> any more?
[16:19] <stgraber> #vote Ubuntu Core Developer membership for sil2100
[16:19] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubuntu Core Developer membership for sil2100
[16:19] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[16:21] <xnox> +1
[16:21] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[16:21] <cyphermox> +1
[16:21] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[16:21] <Laney> +1
[16:21] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[16:21] <stgraber> +1
[16:21] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[16:21] <stgraber> #endvote
[16:21] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubuntu Core Developer membership for sil2100
[16:21] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[16:21] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:21] <sil2100> \o/ Thank you!
[16:22] <Na3iL> congrats sil2100 :)
[16:22] <Mirv> congrats sil2100!
[16:22] <cyphermox> thanks sil2100
[16:23] <cyphermox> I hope that doesn't mean I hear less from you for citrain silo reviews ;)
[16:23] <sil2100> hah ;)
[16:24] <sil2100> Interesting, all ocaml binaries look installable here, maybe I'll have to dig a bit deeper
[16:24]  * xnox /o\ what have we done. anway, i shall have sil2100 on speed dial for any ci train issues =)
[16:24] <sil2100> But I noticed that the ben is not to be trusted in 100%
[16:25] <stgraber> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (following alphabetical order of first names)
[16:25] <sil2100> No worries! I'll get bad karma if I publish too many bad packages through the train
[16:25] <stgraber> that will be micahg, I'll move my name last in the list
[16:25]  * sil2100 only likes good karma
[16:25] <stgraber> #topic AOB
[16:25] <stgraber> anything?
[16:26] <cyphermox> I don't know
[16:26] <stgraber> I've already done the packageset changes we agreed on, added chiluk to UCD and sil2100 to core-dev, so we should be good action-wise.
[16:26] <sil2100> stgraber: thanks!
[16:26] <cyphermox> I responded to Timo by email to say the pkgset was done
[16:26] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:27] <chiluk> thanks stgraber, cyphermox, Laney, xnox
[16:27] <cyphermox> chiluk: looking forward to sponsoring requests from you to eventually +1 a core-dev application
[16:28] <chiluk> that's the goal.
[16:28] <stgraber> agenda updated too
[16:29] <Laney> thanks
[16:29] <stgraber> and replied to the applications saying they've been approved and Cced the news-team
[16:29] <stgraber> so I think we're all done
[16:29] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[16:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 16:29:50 2015 UTC.
[16:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-11-23-15.20.moin.txt
[16:32] <tyhicks> hello
[16:32] <jjohansen> \o
[16:32] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Nov 23 16:32:47 2015 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:32] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:32] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:32] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:33] <tyhicks> Andrew Starr-Bochicchio (asomething) provided debdiffs for trusty-wily for libpng (LP: #1516592)
[16:33] <tyhicks> Bas Couwenberg (sebastic) provided debdiffs for trusty-vivid for freexl (LP: #1516257)
[16:33] <tyhicks> Thank you for your assistance in keeping Ubuntu users secure! :)
[16:33] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:33] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:34] <mdeslaur> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:35] <mdeslaur> I'm testing some icedtea-web updates, and I have an embargoed update to test
[16:35] <mdeslaur> after that, I'll be going down the list, as usual
[16:35] <mdeslaur> that's it
[16:35] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:35] <sbeattie> I'm on cve triage this week
[16:36] <sbeattie> I'm currently digging in to a couple of build failures I hit after building the vast majority of main with gcc-pie
[16:36] <sbeattie> I also have openjdk-7 packages to test
[16:36] <sbeattie> and that will probably consume my short week this week (US thanksgiving)
[16:37] <sbeattie> tyhicks: you're up
[16:37] <tyhicks> I need to restart the mapplauncherd review (preempted last week by another code review)
[16:37] <tyhicks> I want to start working on AppArmor policy loads inside of a user namespace
[16:38] <tyhicks> and I need to do some snappy sprint prep
[16:38] <tyhicks> short week for me (US holiday + I'm off Wed)
[16:38] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:38] <jjohansen> its a short week for me too due to the thanksgiving holiday, I need to finish up with bug 1446906, and send out a couple more patches for the apparmor kernel SRU for review, and the get back to working on stacking
[16:39] <jjohansen> thats it for /me sarnold you're up
[16:40] <sarnold> I'm on community this week; short week, thanksgiving; I'm finishing the libmicrohttp* MIR, starting DPDK, and reviewing some of the apparmor kernel patches that I assume are headed my way
[16:40] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> I've got a chromium update to sponsor this week, I'm also still waiting for a thunderbird release
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> I shall be preparing an Oxide release for next week as well
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> In addition to that, I've got quite a lot of reviews to get through. I've just done one
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> I'm currently trying to get the camera working in the browser - it's just crashing atm, but I hope to have that done this week
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> Then I plan to work on what we discussed at the sprint for bug 1447345
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> I think that's it
[16:42] <tyhicks> busy week :)
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> (no short week for me)
[16:43] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:43] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:43] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/rope.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tntnet.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ldns.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libfpdi-php.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/snack.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:44] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:46] <tyhicks> mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!
[16:46] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:46] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 16:46:18 2015 UTC.
[16:46] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-11-23-16.32.moin.txt
[16:46] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[16:46] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!
[16:46] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks
[16:46] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks


[22:07] <Gorian> so, I'd done a bit of googling, but no luck so far. I'm trying to disable my FIRST video card so I can use it for kvm GPU passthrough, but no luck so far. The secondary video card is also nvidia, so apparently I should do anything like neaveau.blacklist=1 or whatever, as that blacklists the driver they both used. I've followed this guide: https://f
[22:07] <Gorian> orums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=231&t=212692 but upon setting up the vfio stuff, it freezes on boot and I have to boot into single user mode


 I managed to successfully change language... except internet browser. Maybe I should remove this one and install international version, but the software manager just stays like this: http://pasteboard.co/fEqoL2rPP.png
[12:49] <TheWild> how to deal with it?
[12:53] <TheWild> I could try to run the software manager in terminal to see debug messages, but it is hard to know what process name it is
[12:55] <TheWild> ok, that was "gnome-software". sudo gnome-software helped to run it, but first impressions weren't very good.
[12:59] <Castor_Troy> Audio is not working on my xubuntu, how can i fix it ?
[13:04] <TheWild> Removing Firefox failed. Oh wait, there are updates to Firefox. Maybe this will help.
[13:08] <MildlySeriousCat> Always do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y" after installing Xubuntu :p It dont install from net during install
[13:09] <TheWild> I always wonder why it isn't done automatically?
[13:09] <TheWild> I'm after update, but not upgrade
[13:10] <TheWild> It's live session btw
[13:10] <MildlySeriousCat> Nvm, think it do have an option to install from net. Anyway it is good to do to be sure
[13:21] <TheWild> downloaded firefox-49.0.1.tar.bz2. I can't "just install" it. I opened it to see what's inside and it seems like there are binaries inside instead of source code. Fine, maybe I can extract it and run it via ./firefox
[13:22] <TheWild> Archive manager just disappears while extracting
[13:30] <flocculant> TheWild: if you want newer on the live session - just do what MildlySeriousCat says for update and upgrade
[13:30] <flocculant> why would you want to update packages and then not upgrade it?
[13:31] <TheWild> ^ that happened because I exhausted virtual disk free space on live session. I'm restarting it and going to do update and upgrade.
[13:32] <TheWild> I'm generally new to linux
[13:33] <flocculant> TheWild: aah right, well update just updates package list - upgrade grabs new package and installs it over old package (generally)
[13:47] <TheWild> Windows 7 on my parents notebook once got fundamental reinstallation (not recovery). It worked fine for few months until it started displaying message about being non-genuine. Maybe it's good time to go open-source instead of bugging Microsoft to fix the issue.
[13:49] <TheWild> However, I'm afraid that some day they hit a problem with new OS and I won't be able to help them.
[13:53] <MildlySeriousCat> DOnt give them the root password or a sudo abilities and they cant destroy it :p
[13:53] <TheWild> sure
[14:43] <SlabDabs> TheWild: honestly i'd just crack it
[14:43] <SlabDabs> if you can't get it to reauthenticate
[14:44] <SlabDabs> you have a key for it obviously, so morally i don't see much of an objection
[15:22] <xubuntu94i> hey


[02:37] <swift110> sup
[04:18] <Jackson> Hello
[04:33] <swift110> how are you Jackson
[04:34] <Jackson> Hi guy OK so far u?
[04:35] <Jackson> Bunch of pain but I survive
[04:38] <Jackson> swift110: it was a nice day in western pa today
[04:42] <swift110> how so Jackson
[04:42] <swift110> oh sorry to hear that man
[04:44] <Jackson> Had 3 back operations L2 to S3 fused with screws and 10 rods
[04:45] <Jackson> But again I am surviving
[04:45] <Jackson> :)
[04:47] <Jackson> ATM I am watching Stanley Meyers It runs on water
[04:47] <Jackson> Utube
[04:48] <Jackson> Hydrogen energy
[05:06] <swift110> oh that sucks
[09:55] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else


[12:45] <BrianHechinger[m> Hmm, Carla isn't picking up the plugins in my home dir. `/home/wonko/.lv2` is in the config, but I can't see the plugins that live in that dir. Looking for my noise cancelling plugin. :(
[12:55] <Eickmeyer> BrianHechinger[m: Do me a favor and file a bug report for it. There was a point release 6 days ago that should fix that but was *way* too late for inclusion, so that might be key to getting it in an SRU.
[12:55] <Eickmeyer> "ubuntu-bug carla"
[12:56] <Eickmeyer> https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/releases/tag/v2.4.3
[13:58] <BrianHechinger[m> will that get released into the repo any time soon or should I figure out how to manually update?
[14:04] <BrianHechinger[m> OvenWerk1: Why are there two of you and which is the correct one? :-D
[14:09] <Eickmeyer> BrianHechinger[m: If I have a bug report to convert to a Stable Release Update bug I can get it in, but I haven't experienced that bug myself so I can't justify it.
[14:11] <BrianHechinger[m> Ok, let me open a bug report
[14:14] <Eickmeyer> BrianHechinger[m: I'll also have to wait until the next release cycle opens so I can get it in there first. Kinda standard procedure there.
[14:20] <BrianHechinger[m> You have a bug report
[14:21] <BrianHechinger[m> No worries on the timing, just want to make sure it gets out there as soon as possible because this is rather annoying. :-D
[14:22] <Eickmeyer> BrianHechinger[m: Realistically, it'll be a couple weeks.
[14:27] <BrianHechinger[m> Alright, again, not a huge deal, so thanks!
[14:29] <BrianHechinger[m> building it doesn't seem to work great for me. Why is this sort of things so hard? 🤣
[14:29] <BrianHechinger[m> I'll just wait then
[14:32] <Eickmeyer> BrianHechinger[m: You reported the bug wrong. I gave you explicit instructions to type "ubuntu-bug carla" in a terminal window, instead you filed a bug against someting completely unrelated. Please redo the bug report.
[14:34] <Eickmeyer> I understand you haven't done it before, but it when you do it that way, it contains very important logs and information that others might need, including myself.
[14:35] <BrianHechinger[m> Eickmeyer @Eickmeyer:libera.chat: did a message not come through or something? I don't see you saying anything about `ubuntu-bug carla`
[14:36] <Eickmeyer> Checking Matrix... maybe it didn't get through.
[14:38] <Eickmeyer> Ah, yes, that didn't make it through. My apologies. Either way, could you just copy/paste what you wrote into the window that comes up when you type that command in a terminal window? It'll pop-up a web browser for you.
[14:38] <BrianHechinger[m> Sure thing
[14:41] <BrianHechinger[m> Why does ubuntu-bug open chrome when firefox is my default browser/
[14:41] <BrianHechinger[m> s///?/
[14:41] <BrianHechinger[m> that's super annoying
[14:42] <Eickmeyer> You might have to configure your default browser in system settings.
[14:48] <BrianHechinger[m> Firefox is my default browser in system settings
[14:48] <Eickmeyer> Weird....
[14:48] <BrianHechinger[m> anyway, bug report submitted, I marked the first one as a duplicate
[14:48] <Eickmeyer> Ok, do you have the bug number?
[14:49] <Eickmeyer> Nvm, I got it.
[14:49] <Eickmeyer> bug 1969798
[14:50] <Eickmeyer> Expect me to add to the bug report in the SRU fashion later, possibly today.
[14:52] <BrianHechinger[m> perfect, thanks!
[14:52] <BrianHechinger[m> Now to figure out why I can't switch to FFADO
[14:55] <Eickmeyer> That seems odd.
[14:55] <Eickmeyer> That's an OvenWerk1 question.
[14:55] <Eickmeyer> As for why there's two of him, that's a bridge issue since I only see one on the IRC end.
[14:56] <BrianHechinger[m> which do you see on the IRC end?
[14:56] <BrianHechinger[m> Let's assume that's the real one. :-D
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> Usually means he had an IRC error at some point.
[14:56] <BrianHechinger[m> Hmm, ok. Well, we're all on matrix, right? So one of him should respond to me. :-D
[14:58] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, he'll respond. He's bridged via IRC (as am I using this account), so while not technically using Matrix, he'll see and respond.
[14:58] <BrianHechinger[m> Oh, he's directly on IRC then? Didn't realize that
[14:59] <BrianHechinger[m> I'm glad to see Carla is still rubbish at saving the patchbay layout when run under a session manager. Wouldn't know what to do with myself if that just worked. 🤣
[15:00] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I think that might be a known bug that falktx isn't sure what to do with.
[15:01] <BrianHechinger[m> That was the status last time I talked to him, but that was a while ago, so I can't verify it's still the/an issue.
[15:04] <Eickmeyer> Sounds like what I saw last I looked.
[15:40] <BrianHechinger[m> Hmm, new RaySession is pretty nice. I don't really need Carla for patch management anymore.
[15:40] <BrianHechinger[m> Although I guess I'll still end up using Carla-Rack unless there is a better option.
[15:54] <Eickmeyer> Have you tried Agordejo?
[16:22] <BrianHechinger[m> Yes, and I hated it.
[16:22] <BrianHechinger[m> :-D
[16:22] <BrianHechinger[m> I hated it last time I tried to use it and this time as well
[16:23]  * BrianHechinger[m uploaded an image: (335KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/4amlunch.net/f713a5acc72802bd4a2b7d9adf5b1269926050ff/Screenshot_20220421_172255.png >
[16:23] <BrianHechinger[m> This is the new RaySession btw
[16:23] <BrianHechinger[m> If you haven't seen it
[16:24] <Eickmeyer> Oh, that's nice.
[16:24] <Eickmeyer> Houston4444 has definitely improved things since last I checked.
[16:28] <BrianHechinger[m> Yeah, that's basically all I was using Carla for anyway other than running the one plugin, but honestly I could just run that directly in Ardour.
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I run pretty much everything directly in Harrison Mixbus myself (Ardour's downstream).
[16:32] <BrianHechinger[m> Now, can I route MIDI control into the plugin with it being in Ardour directly
[16:33] <BrianHechinger[m> Ah, indeed I can
[16:33] <BrianHechinger[m> Once you select "show controls" you can do the learning stuff on the control that shows up. Very slick!
[16:35] <BrianHechinger[m> The only weird thing is with RaySession I have this Fluid Synth thing there that only has the MIDI inputs but no outputs to wire to anything.
[18:33] <OvenWerk1> BrianHechinger[m: how do you mean "switch to FFADO"? In system tweaks select firewire module select and choose use FFADO firewire modules. Then in the Jack master tab the jack backend will allow firewire.
[18:34] <OvenWerk1> BrianHechinger[m: I have a number of other irc groups I follow and choose to only use irc client.
[18:44] <BrianHechinger[m> So I go to system tweaks, choose FFADO (which requires a reboot), Apply settings, reboot and it's back to ALSA after the reboot.
[18:44] <BrianHechinger[m> OvenWerk1: ^^
[18:54] <OvenWerk1> Interesting. there should be a file created in /etc/modprobe.d called blacklist-studio.conf do you see that?
[18:55] <OvenWerk1> BrianHechinger[m: studio-controls looks for that file at startup to determine if firewire should be allowed and to set that selector
[18:56] <BrianHechinger[m> OvenWerk1: No, I don't see that file.
[18:57] <OvenWerk1> run studio-controls and select use ffado firewire modules and see if it is there before the reboot
[18:58] <OvenWerk1> maybe run studio-control from command line to see if there is an error shown when selecting that.
[18:58] <OvenWerk1> BrianHechinger[m: ^^
[19:00] <BrianHechinger[m> When I choose the selector (either switch from ALAS -> FFADO or the other way around) I get this error:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/681478f49a4718b527cb6855b887417980ecb3a3)
[19:00] <BrianHechinger[m> and no modprobe file gets created
[19:06] <OvenWerk1> BrianHechinger[m: ubuntu-bug studio-controls  :)
[19:08] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: I don't think I can one off fix that one without adding a lot more changes. The version for backports shoulld be ready soon though.
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: If it's a bug and well-documented that the changes are necessary to resolve it, then it's completely fine for an SRU.
[19:10] <BrianHechinger[m> bug 1969827
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> I'd just need some help with that as I don't have firewire.
[19:10] <BrianHechinger[m> I can help test if you need
[19:10] <OvenWerk1> BrianHechinger[m: you should find a copy of what that file should be in /usr/share/studio-controls and you can manually sudo cp /usr/share/studio-controls/blacklist-studio.conf /etc/modprobe.d/
[19:10] <BrianHechinger[m> and this isn't a super high priority, 2/256 is perfectly fine for what I'm doing right now.
[19:12] <BrianHechinger[m> ok, copied the blacklist file, now is actually a good time for a quick reboot so let's check it out. :-D
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: Is the mechanism to symlink that in /etc/modprobe.d or a wholesale copy?
[19:12] <OvenWerk1> Copy I think
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> Symlink might be preferable.
[19:13] <OvenWerk1> doesn't matter anyway
[19:13] <OvenWerk1> why?
[19:13] <OvenWerk1> The file is very small and either one requires root access
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> True, but keeps a single source of truth.
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> I think that bug can be easily justified as an SRU.
[19:18] <BrianHechinger[m> Ok, so, now I have FFADO selected, but I still can't change the buffer size to lower than 256 (get the message about needed to use FFADO) and Ardour doesn't want to start.
[19:19] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: master has moved on 400 or so lines of code since last release
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> oof
[19:19] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: unless you want to patch the package
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> I can patch the package.
[19:19] <BrianHechinger[m> `20:19:14    Ardour (ardour): terminated itself.`
[19:19] <OvenWerk1>  I may be able to come up with a package patch
[19:20] <OvenWerk1> BrianHechinger[m: did you change the jack backend to firewirer?
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: pull-lp-source is your friend.
[19:20] <BrianHechinger[m> OvenWerk1: yes, backend changed to FFADO, blacklist file in place
[19:20] <BrianHechinger[m> ERROR: control open "hw:AudioFire4" (No such device)
[19:21] <BrianHechinger[m> ERROR: Cannot initialize driver
[19:21] <OvenWerk1> brucekomike[m]: no I mean in the Jack master settings there is a JACK backend drop down
[19:21] <OvenWerk1> That needs to say "firewire"
[19:21] <BrianHechinger[m> ahhh, forgot about that
[19:22] <BrianHechinger[m> jack is now starting
[19:24] <BrianHechinger[m> ok, running 2/256 with ffado now, let's take that down as low as it'll go.
[19:29] <BrianHechinger[m> 2/16 fails to start at all, 2/32 tried to start but then dies and leaves everything a mess.
[19:35] <OvenWerk1> BrianHechinger[m: is your's the audiofire?
[19:36] <BrianHechinger[m> yes
[19:36] <BrianHechinger[m> and now it claims it's creating the bridges, but never creates the bridges.
[19:37] <BrianHechinger[m> I'll have to pick this back up in the morning, need to go spend time with the family
[19:37] <OvenWerk1> I wonder if they use cheaper codecs for the cheaper interfaces. (like the delta66 has cheaper codecs than the delta1010 and the delta 1010LT uses cheaper codecs yet)
[19:38] <OvenWerk1> because my AF12 runs at 16/2 no problem
[19:38] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: is that the whole command? seems like something is missing.
[19:39] <BrianHechinger[m> I'm starting to think that as well
[19:39] <BrianHechinger[m> Because I've never been able to run this thing very low
[19:39] <BrianHechinger[m> Or could i?
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: pull-lp-source studio-controls will give you the package and source.
[19:40] <BrianHechinger[m> I vaguely remember 2/64 or 2/32 being possible if plagued by xruns
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> Sorry guys, ${DAYJOB} is going on too.
[19:42] <ThomasWard[m]> welcome to my world lol
[19:42] <ErichEickmeyer[m> ThomasWard[m]: Dude, I'm living it.
[19:43] <BrianHechinger[m> These past two days have been full of not getting a lot accomplished for my day job.
[20:22] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: bug 1969827 has been fixed in master (there are two of them)... now I just have to figure out how to patch the package
[20:23] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: Probably go back to your last tag, create a branch, and fix it in that?
[20:23] <Eickmeyer> Then it's just a matter of turning the commit into a patch, which Github does automatically.
[20:24] <OvenWerk1> wow pull-lp-source sure installs a bunch of sw
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, it's part of the ubuntu-dev-tools package.
[20:25] <OvenWerk1> yeah I think you are right I'll do the tag branch and fix
[20:25] <OvenWerk1>  So I can just ship you the patch file?
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> That might be easier for you than pull-lp-source.
[20:25] <OvenWerk1>  or add it to the bug I guess
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> Yep, you can just shoot me the link to the commit, actually.
[20:48] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: Like this? https://github.com/ovenwerks/studio-controls/commit/5379047d8a88b7b59a36c818e0cea268ac79a97f
[20:49] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: Yeah, because you can also just do this: https://github.com/ovenwerks/studio-controls/commit/5379047d8a88b7b59a36c818e0cea268ac79a97f.patch
[20:49] <Eickmeyer> I'll get the SRU written-up and a new upload with the patch ASAP.
[20:50] <Eickmeyer> Probably in a few hours, got my job and kid to pick up from school first.
[20:51]  * OvenWerk1 is not in a rush
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> Got it in the package ready to go, just need to do the SRU and upload. The SRU in the bug report is what takes time and capacity that I don't have atm.


[04:41] <Sarvatt> sorry for the build failure mail spam, obviously only test building on i386 before uploading to the backports ppa's isn't enough
[05:59] <bryceh> Sarvatt, hey do you know why that xrecord crash bug came to be?  did chase's earlier xrecord fix expose the bug or something?
[05:59] <bryceh> I'm going through all the recent X crash reports and it appears like 80% of them at least are dupes of this one
[08:30] <bryceh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/774978/comments/38
[08:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 774978 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "xserver crashes in RecordAReply when XRecord is enabled in syndaemon (affects: 188) (dups: 34) (heat: 640)" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[08:42] <bryceh> cnd, Sarvatt, ^^ please review, you might have more to add to the story
[10:15] <braintorch> Hello. Will there be 270.41.19 nvidia driver for lucid in ubuntu-x repo? Somewhat nasty bug affecting flash video playing was fixed in this version.
[10:19] <bryceh> braintorch, probably in xorg-edgers, maybe in x-updates.  probably not in natty-updates tho.
[10:28] <braintorch> I see it was packaged for oneric and for natty in x-updates but not for maveric or lucid. That's why I interested.
[10:35] <jussi> tjaalton: bah, the original bug I mentioned (about the screen not coming back from sleep) is still there. I guess I didnt wait long enough last time :/
[10:36] <jussi> also, saving the default settings in kubuntu doesnt actually save it, it always reboots with the same settings.
[12:00] <tjaalton> jussi: ok, try with .39-rc3 to see if it's fixed there
[15:45] <cnd> bryceh, wow, that XRecord stuff looks like a festering wound
[15:45] <cnd> good analysis in the bug comment :)
[15:45] <cnd> so are we going to patch up g-s-d to not use -R?
[15:46] <jcristau> do we enable record by default?
[15:47] <jcristau> maybe that's not such a great idea...
[15:47] <cnd> jcristau, apparently g-s-d now tells syndaemon to use XRecord instead of polling the keyboard state
[15:48] <jcristau> record sounds like it makes keyloggers kind of trivial
[15:50] <cnd> heh
[15:52] <Sarvatt> syndaemon itself uses record by default if its built with support for it
[15:52] <Sarvatt> -R doesn't have any affect in that case :(
[15:56] <Sarvatt> bryceh: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~sarvatt/sandybridge-10.04-live/ \o/
[16:00] <tjaalton> yeah, I tested that and it worked here too
[16:01] <tjaalton> glxgears acted funny though
[16:01] <tjaalton> when trying to move the window
[16:03] <Sarvatt> stutters?
[16:04] <Sarvatt> you should see it with current git if you think thats bad, at least the gears dont flash teal and yellow while it happens
[16:05] <tjaalton> heh ok
[16:05] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: oh you're on a GT1, i've got to try it out on that
[16:05] <Sarvatt> wouldn't be surprised if mesa 7.10.2 is messed up there
[16:08] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: btw you probably want to use i915.semaphores=1 on that thing..
[16:09] <Sarvatt> it'll fix the stuttering if thats the problem you had
[16:09] <tjaalton> seems to be on natty too
[16:10] <tjaalton> which is hardly surprising
[16:13] <Sarvatt> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1117258/VID_20110608_111152.m4v
[16:15] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: try vblank_mode=0 glxgears if you want some real fun
[16:21] <tjaalton> riight, ~1000 fps, though it looks like ~2
[16:22] <Sarvatt> check dmesg
[16:23] <tjaalton> heh
[16:26] <Sarvatt> ricotz: i dont think the 3.0 kernel is going to work without a module-init-tools update too so probably not a good idea to copy that to edgers right away
[16:36] <ricotz> Sarvatt, ok, so the updated module-init-tools package from oneiric isnt working yet? havent tried to building 3.0 myself yet
[16:38] <ricotz> Sarvatt, looks like the m-i-t update works - ppa:apw/red
[16:38] <Sarvatt> cool, looks like it went into oneiric directly this morning too
[16:39] <Sarvatt> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/2011-June/002607.html
[16:39] <ricotz> ;)
[16:39] <apw> Sarvatt, we are still sorting out the numbering... the last bits are being fixed now
[16:40] <apw> be careful about uploading the meta to the xorg-edgers without it being fixed
[16:40]  * Sarvatt nods
[16:40] <ricotz> there will be no meta in edgers anyway
[16:40] <Sarvatt> haven't been putting meta's in edgers as of yet
[16:40] <apw> we are hedging our bets right now as to whether to use 3.0 or 3.0.0 for sanity
[16:40] <apw> and so uploading 3.0 kernel with a 3,0,0 meta as unexpectedly we can switch either way that way going forward
[16:41] <Sarvatt> i'm probably a little too cautious about keeping things in there stable :P
[16:41] <ricotz> apw, you are doing an abi bump for stable releases anyway, so perhaps using the stable release version as base?
[16:42] <apw> ricotz, yeah we simply hedging.  i think we'd like to call it 3.0 but module-init-tools is just the tip of the iceberg on whats fooked by the number change
[16:42] <ricotz> this would mean using 3.0.0, 3.0.1, ...
[16:42] <apw> ps all gets angry too
[16:42] <apw> ricotz, yet a third option indeed
[16:43] <ricotz> so 3.0.0-0.1, {stable version}-{ubuntu-revision}
[16:44] <ricotz> just an idea ;)
[16:44] <apw> that does force us to bump abi whenever we take stable which we don't currently always do
[16:44] <Sarvatt> ugh
[16:44] <ricotz> apw, ok, i though it is needed quite everytime
[16:44] <apw> i know, which is why we are hedging :)
[16:45] <apw> ricotz, there have been a number of .7 is huge, .8 is one patch to unbreak .7 which is not a bumper
[16:45] <ricotz> alright
[16:47] <Sarvatt> it would be nice to have the version number reflect reality even though thats a pain in the butt. i constantly get asked by upstreams what 2.6.38-7 maps to for example :P
[16:56] <ricotz> Sarvatt, +1, right, using the actual full upstream version in some kind would be nice
[16:58] <jcristau> Sarvatt: it's never going to map exactly to an upstream version anyway
[16:58] <jcristau> each distro kernel is patch in its own spethial way
[16:58] <jcristau> *patched
[17:09] <Sarvatt> sheesh, mesa tarball is bigger than it was with demos in it now
[17:17] <ricotz> Sarvatt, switching to 3.0 and using bz2 might be nice ;)
[20:43] <cnd> bryceh, Sarvatt: I'm trying out oneiric, but every time I log in I get "Oh no! something wrong has happened." message
[20:43] <cnd> do you know how to get around that?
[20:48] <Sarvatt> cnd: i've never even heard of that dialog
[20:48] <Sarvatt> hmm
[20:49] <cnd> it's this really terrible window that comes up
[20:49] <Sarvatt> apparently its a gnome 3 one
[20:49] <cnd> there's no information
[20:49] <cnd> I have no clue what to do to debug it
[20:49] <cnd> 0 info
[20:49] <cnd> I understand the point, but really it's more aggravating than anything
[20:50] <Sarvatt> looks like it's a gnome-menus problem when it happened in fedora
[20:51] <cnd> I think it manifests from many different error paths...
[20:51] <cnd> I just want to get behind it
[20:51] <cnd> I can relaunch services and stuff if I need
[20:51] <cnd> and it shouldn't be happening when I try a non-gnome 3 session
[20:54] <bryceh> I haven't ever seen that either
[21:00] <Sarvatt> i think this is the longest i've ever gone without updating to the devel release on all any of my systems, not looking forward to gnome 3 pain..
[21:00] <Sarvatt> but i guess its time, starting an upgrade
[21:01] <Sarvatt> cnd:
[21:01] <Sarvatt> Jun 02 06:24:07 <chrisccoulson>	i did try gnome-shell from our archive last night
[21:01] <Sarvatt> Jun 03 03:37:15 <chrisccoulson>	so, this silly window that takes up my entire screen when i dock my laptop,and shows a sad face telling me i need to log out is actually from gnome-session
[21:01] <Sarvatt> Jun 03 04:00:27 <seb128>	chrisccoulson, by reading gnome-session code that screen is displayed when the session fails to respawn something that quited
[21:01] <Sarvatt> Jun 03 04:03:35 <seb128>	run gnome-session --debug maybe and dock your laptop and look at the session log
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> we really need to kill that error, it's totally ridiculous
[21:03] <cnd> yeah
[21:03] <cnd> Sarvatt, thanks for digging that up!
[21:04] <cnd> oh wait
[21:04] <cnd> I get that error at login
[21:04] <cnd> how do I enable debug for gnome-session like that?
[21:07] <Sarvatt> is there nothing that stands out in ~/.xsession-errors?
[21:08] <cnd> Sarvatt, http://paste.ubuntu.com/622020/
[21:08] <cnd> doesn't look like it :(
[21:13] <Sarvatt> i'm seriously going to regret this upgrade tomorrow no doubt :)
[21:17] <cnd> heh
[21:18] <cnd> I wonder if it's possible to use the natty gnome-session
[21:23] <cnd> I was able to downgrade
[21:24] <cnd> lets see if it helps
[21:25] <cnd> alright, progress
[21:25] <cnd> but I don't have a window decorator...
[22:49] <pentarex> hey guys I'm having some issue with HP G62 with two videocards, INTEL and ATI RADEON 5470, I've installed kubuntu 11.04 and now I cant log in - I see the log in sign, then the screen goes black(blank) and the fan goes off
[22:49] <pentarex> can anyone help me please
[23:23] <Sarvatt> bryceh, RAOF: they snuck up like ninjas when we were drinking :P http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Oneiric/17103699_kzzLF6/1/1296062040_6SsNNkg#1296215224_r26Dfnz
[23:51] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Yeah, I know.


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