[00:00] <crimsun_> faketang: hmm?  The source is available since dapper.
[00:00] <soren> faketang: Did you try the command crimsun_ wrote?
[00:01] <_Angelus_> ah it would be good mjg59, because when first gutsy was out, i had to compile a custom kernel for my system to get it to work
[00:02] <faketang> crimsun_ / soren: I see main-menu in the main pool for security, but it's not showing up in hardy
[00:02] <soren> ...
[00:02] <soren> faketang: type: "apt-get source main-menu"
[00:02] <crimsun_> also, is(are) your deb-src line(s) for main active?
[00:03] <soren> faketang: Or grab it from bzr. See https://edge.launchpad.net/main-menu
[00:03] <taggart> aren't there automatically generated diffs between debian and ubuntu packages? I found http://merges.ubuntu.com/ but it doesn't seem to have the package I'm looking for (ia32-libs)
[00:03] <LaserJock> hmm, for me it doesn't show up in an apt-cache search but apt-get source works fine
[00:03] <soren> LaserJock: apt-cache doesn't show d-i compontents.
[00:03] <soren> or components.
[00:03] <LaserJock> taggart: patches.ubuntu.com
[00:03] <LaserJock> soren: yeah, that's interesting
[00:04] <taggart> LaserJock: looking thanks
[00:04] <soren> LaserJock: Not really.
[00:04] <soren> LaserJock: They're not in Packages{,.gz,.bz2}
[00:04] <taggart> LaserJock: found it, great!
[00:05] <LaserJock> soren: I guess I would have expected it to find the source package, but thinking about I don't know why I'd expect that :-)
[00:05] <faketang> interesting -- as LaserJock noted, it's only in sources but not as a compiled package
[00:05] <soren> LaserJock: :)
[00:06] <soren> LaserJock: apt-cache showsrc main-menu will show it, thoug.
[00:06] <soren> though.
[00:06] <LaserJock> right
[00:06] <_Angelus_> mjg59: the guide worked
[00:06] <LaserJock> I just thought apt-cache search would be a bit more inclusive ;-)
[00:06] <mjg59> _Angelus_: Yes, it will do. But now you have vesafb, and so there's the potential for other things to go wrong
[00:08] <_Angelus_> what i did was , added fbcon vesafb vga16fb /etc/initramfs-tools/modules , and commented vesafb
[00:08] <_Angelus_> vga16fb from /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer. then updated the initramfs image
[00:08] <_Angelus_> mjg59: well, better then a blank screen or a bunch of words comming out dough
[00:09] <_Angelus_> mjg59:  can i make you a small question before i go ?
[00:10] <mjg59> Sure
[00:11] <_Angelus_> mjg59: i saw nvidiafb commented in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.  is there only a kernel nvidiafb  or the binary package from nvidia provides an nvidiafb too? if so, which is better, vesafb or nvidiafb?
[00:13] <mjg59> There's only a kernel one, and it doesn't support newer nvidia hardware
[00:14] <_Angelus_> oh
[00:14] <_Angelus_> ok
[00:15] <_Angelus_> thanks alot mjg59 :) see ya dude, and try to fix the bootup splash for the next release :P
[00:15] <_Angelus_> peaze
[00:47] <emgent> pitti, ping
[00:50] <TheMuso> emgent: He is not likely to be around at this time.
[00:50] <TheMuso> emgent: Either email him, or hilight him with the question/statement you would like to let him know about.
[00:50] <TheMuso> highlight
[00:50] <emgent> TheMuso, hehehe thnks :P
[00:50] <emgent> s/thnks/thanks/
[00:56]  * StevenK searches for 'bzr restore'
[01:07] <RAOF> StevenK: Do you mean 'bzr revert'?
[01:08] <StevenK> RAOF: Yes. My brain was promoting restore, probably from the output of svn revert
[01:08] <StevenK> prompting, even
[01:09] <RAOF> Heh.
[01:09] <lifeless> ?
[01:09] <StevenK> lifeless: Do you have a highlight for bzr and svn or something? :-)
[01:10] <RAOF> lifeless: bzr has a serious bug.  It can't guess what command the user wanted to run when presented with a word that's similar to the bzr command they were after :)
[01:10] <StevenK> Haha
[01:11] <slangasek> bzr needs smarter merging, it should figure out what I want to merge without being told
[01:11] <selckin> s/bzr/git/ win
[01:11]  * RAOF has unleashed the whirlwind.
[01:12] <StevenK> RAOF: Do you feel suitably abashed?
[01:14] <RAOF> Eh.  Whirlwinds can be fun.
[01:14]  * RAOF wishes this machine wasn't under such memory pressure that only my current task is paged in.
[01:15] <ion_> lifeless: Oh, btw, one of the annoyances: i don’t like that what goes to ~/.bazaar/locations.conf is, well, there instead of under project/.bzr
[01:21] <zoke> What are the specific reasons for not adopting a Fedora style philosophy for keeping packages more updated ?
[01:21] <soren> And what is this "Fedora style philosophy" of which you speak?
[01:22] <zoke> keeping with upstream changes, bringing them quickly and keeping the delta as small as possible
[01:23] <zoke> could is be done via -updates or -backports ?
[01:23] <mjg59> -backports would be the appropriate place
[01:24] <zoke> -backports is unoffical though, yes ?
[01:24] <mjg59> No
[01:25] <RAOF> No.  It's official.  There are processes & such, and the repositories are hosted on Ubuntu mirrors.
[01:25] <zoke> oh, never mind then
[01:25] <RAOF> Backports *could* do with more people testing, of course.
[01:26] <ln-> if you already like Fedora, why not use Fedora?
[01:27] <zoke> I like Ubuntu, it's just some times the lack of sync with upstream irks me slightly
[01:29] <lifeless> selckin: really, thats quite a silly comment
[01:30] <lifeless> ion_: you can put most things in .bzr/branch/branch.conf if you want
[01:30] <selckin> lifeless: agreed
[01:33] <ion_> lifeless: Can bzr push --remember do that?
[01:33] <lifeless> ion_: it does in tag supporting branches
[01:36] <ion_> Ok, thanks
[02:23] <pochu> Any archive admin who can do the sync from bug 189243 before slangasek changes the topic? Thanks
[02:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189243 in libcrypto++ "please sync libcrypto++ 5.5.2-1 from Debian testing" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189243
[02:26] <jaldhar> hello I'm trying to solve a problem in the Debian pgp4pine package where on Ubuntu the user gets *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/pgp4pine terminated
[02:26] <jaldhar> but recompiling it with gutsy doesn't help.  What should I look for?
[02:32] <superm1> StevenK, thanks for catching that issue with bluez-utils.  I was starting to get rather frustrated that my BT mouse stopped working a few days ago.  I just apt-get source'd it and then saw your changes :)
[02:32] <StevenK> superm1: No problem :-)
[02:34] <TheMuso> StevenK: Get that SDL stuff sorted?
[02:36] <StevenK> TheMuso: Nope.
[02:36] <TheMuso> StevenK: Damn.
[04:23] <Talcite> hey guys, I'm looking for the Totem-plparser 2.21 source code. Would it be sitting it bugzilla or anything like that?
[04:31] <pochu> Talcite: svn.gnome.org
[04:31] <Talcite> pochu: thanks
[05:36] <thegodfather> superm1: do you have any idea why mythfilldb and mythbackend are crashorama?
[05:37] <thegodfather> superm1: and btw.. the Predepend thing is wrong.. because we run the backup in preinst, at that time mysql is still down. it means that we need to do some more hacking in that direction i think
[05:37] <thegodfather> Predepend will try to configure mysql before mythtv, but that guarantees only that the mythtv postinst will run after mysql is up
[05:45] <superm1> thegodfather, the backup doesn't happen in the preinst anymore
[05:45] <superm1> the backend process does it itself
[05:45] <superm1> after it starts up
[05:45] <superm1> so the predepend should be right now
[05:46] <thegodfather> superm1: ok cool
[05:47] <thegodfather> superm1: did you ping anybody to get mythtv-common out of NEW?
[05:47] <superm1> libmyth-python is whats stuck in new right now
[05:47] <thegodfather> yeah i know that :)
[05:47] <superm1> i haven't since there is a very large line ahead of it
[05:47] <thegodfather> ok
[05:47] <superm1> but if you'd like to feel free :)
[05:49] <thegodfather> well more than i like, i need
[05:49] <thegodfather> otherwise my frontends can't upgrade and connect to the backends :)
[05:49] <superm1> have you seen any performance problems with recent packages?
[05:50] <superm1> because I change mcpu/mtune to march
[05:50] <thegodfather> superm1: not sure really.. i noticed some skipping with dvd player, but i can't pinpoint the problem to be mythtv
[05:50] <superm1> and i've seen some indications from people that its not working as well for them.  I've been having issues myself performance wise before that, but wasnt sure if it got worse
[05:50] <thegodfather> superm1: the main frontend is slow generally
[05:50] <superm1> yeah
[05:51] <thegodfather> superm1: can you be more specific on what kind of perf problems you see?
[05:51] <superm1> well particularly video playback on higher resolutions is where the issue would see
[05:51] <superm1> like > 720x480
[05:53] <thegodfather> what kind of video...
[05:53] <thegodfather> i have that setup (>720x480) but i got it running 2 days ago
[05:53] <thegodfather> so i don't have much to compare
[05:53] <thegodfather> and no HD sources yet
[05:53] <thegodfather> (real HD)
[05:53] <superm1> ah i see
[05:54] <superm1> well i'm doing some ppa builds for users to compare with the old cpu/tune and the new arch to see if there are performance differences
[05:54] <superm1> so those will be ready in a few hours
[06:15] <thegodfather> dmb: hi, are you awake by any chance?
[06:15] <dmb> yes
[06:15] <dmb> can i help you?
[06:15] <thegodfather> dmb: one quick question.. are you the same dmb that has been hacking on the HVR4000/HVR3000 in cx88 driver?
[06:16] <dmb> i'm guessing no, because i don't even know what that is
[06:16] <dmb> what is the cx88 driver?
[06:16] <thegodfather> dmb: hehe ok thanks :) worth a shot
[06:16] <thegodfather> dmb: v4l-dvb upstream
[06:16] <dmb> oh
[06:16] <dmb> didn't know any other dmb's existed besides me :P
[06:17] <thegodfather> well no big deal.. just curious :)
[06:17] <dmb> np
[06:39] <warp10> Good morning
[06:40] <superm1> cjwatson, I branched from cdimage at http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline/ to add a mythbuntu alternate disk.  Would you be able to review if these changes are sufficient for building us an alternate disk?  I don't have the ability to build a local mirror as that calls for, so I can't verify it.  I pushed them to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/ubuntu-cdimage/mythbuntu-cdimage/
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:12] <ion_> good evening
[07:12] <dholbach> hi ion_
[07:13] <ion_> Howdy
[07:15] <AnAnt> Hello, I filed bug #191933 and #192053 , who should I subcribe them too ? and are there any tags to add to them ?
[07:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191933 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all "mozilla-firefox-locale-all conflicts with firefox 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191933
[07:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192053 in ubuntu "update-java-alternatives does not handle alternatives for firefox-addons-javaplugin.so" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192053
[07:40] <slomo> slangasek: FF did not happen yet?
[07:52] <tkamppeter> h pitti
[07:53] <tkamppeter> hi pitti
[08:05] <pitti> Good morning
[08:05] <pitti> emgent: contentless pong
[08:05] <pitti> hi tkamppeter
[08:05] <emgent> hehehe :P
[08:28] <pitti> erk, why is ndiswrapper in main? *shudder*
[08:30] <\sh> moins
[08:32] <slytherin> Doesn't synaptic support the 'Homepage' field yet?
[08:38] <tkamppeter> pitti, it seems that your upload of s-c-p got stuck.
[08:38] <pitti> tkamppeter: I saw your mail
[08:38] <pitti> I didn't get a reject mail
[08:38] <pitti> I'll just reupload it
[08:41] <pitti> tkamppeter: done
[08:51] <tkamppeter> pitti, now I got a reject message telling that mandatory info in the dsc file is missing, not telling which info. Strange, as I have only replaced the upstream source, I did not change anything in debian/control or so.
[08:54] <pitti> tkamppeter: what does it say exactly?
[08:55] <pitti> tkamppeter: hm, that's weird, it didn't even get signed here
[08:55] <pitti> tkamppeter: I'll rebuild the source pakcage here and try again
[09:02] <LucidFox> seb128> yes, I did post the F-Spot galleryexport bug upstream, and it already got fixed in SVN :)
[09:02] <LucidFox> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516620
[09:02] <ubotu> Gnome bug 516620 in General "[0.4.2] GalleryExport makefile tries to delete /usr/lib/f-spot/extensions/GalleryExport.addin.xml" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[09:03] <seb128> LucidFox: ok, thanks
[09:03] <seb128> LucidFox: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PatchTaggingGuidelines, following that would be nice
[09:03] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, you gave me two different sets of files, one with a broken version number
[09:04] <pitti> tkamppeter: I reuploaded, should have worked now
[09:04] <LucidFox> I'll follow that in the future, thanks
[09:05] <seb128> LucidFox: thank you
[09:11] <pitti> mvo: hm, I got a cron.daily email now
[09:11] <pitti> mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4603/
[09:11] <pitti> mvo: can this be quiesced?
[09:12] <mvo> pitti: thanks. I know why, it will happen only once or when the key changes. but its probably best to file a bug so that I can ensure that the initial one is quite as well
[09:13] <pitti> ok, will do
[09:13] <mvo> thanks
[09:15] <pitti> mvo: bug 192074
[09:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192074 in apt "uninteresting cron mail about key update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192074
[09:25] <MacSlow> argx... package retrieval is broken
[09:40] <pitti> mvo: any idea about bug 75273?
[09:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 75273 in apt "Apt constantly sigsevs on edgy" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75273
[09:41] <mvo> pitti: let me check
[09:42] <pitti> mvo: at least a shallow apt-get update/apt-get install/apt-get dist-upgrade test would be nice
[09:42] <pitti> to know that it wasn't broken for some silly reasons
[09:42] <mvo> pitti: right, I add test instructions
[09:42] <mvo> pitti: sorry for delay
[09:42] <pitti> NP, I just thought it was a bit urgent
[09:43] <mvo> hm, there are test instructions already, I will poke bdmurray or pedro about #75273
[09:44] <pitti> mvo: and update-manager 0.45.4 sits in edgy-proposed for ~300 days now, too
[09:44] <mvo> pitti: what is the bugnumber for it?
[09:45] <pitti> bug  #109216
[09:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109216 in update-manager "upgrade not possible with 0.45.3" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109216
[09:45] <pitti> mvo: there might be more, -proposed has two versions
[09:46]  * mvo checks
[09:52] <mvo> pitti: bug #109216 updated
[09:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109216 in update-manager "upgrade not possible with 0.45.3" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109216
[09:53] <pitti> mvo: I sub'ed sru-verification
[09:53] <mvo> thanks pitti
[09:53] <mvo> I do #107716 next
[09:55] <ion_> I really, really, really wish Hugin 0.7 gets released in time to still get to hardy.
[10:28] <pitti> Riddell: can you please seed jockey-kde? I just NEWed it
[10:30] <Riddell> pitti: ok
[10:36] <tjaalton> pitti: hey, aren't you _the_ hal-wizard, or do you know one?-) I've got a problem with hal-set-property, it refuses to work when run from a hal script, but the same command works when run by hand. sent an email to hal list but so far no replies
[10:36] <pitti> tjaalton: it's run as different users?
[10:37] <tjaalton> pitti: basically so, hal scripts are apparently run as haldaemon? but it's strange that it can't connect to hald which is run with the same privs?
[10:38] <pitti> tjaalton: I have only used it as root so far
[10:39] <pitti> tjaalton: usually hal addons are run as root
[10:39] <pitti> but they might choose to setuid() of course (and some do)
[10:39] <tjaalton> hmm, ok. I'll try to debug more
[10:40] <tjaalton> the script would set the xkb layout etc for input-hotplug..
[10:40] <BenderUnit22> càxmotoap
[10:40] <BenderUnit22> Sorry. :/
[10:40] <pitti> yay we know your password now
[10:41] <BenderUnit22> Nah, cat. :)
[10:41] <tjaalton> oh she knows it as well?-)
[10:41] <BenderUnit22> :)
[11:24] <Fujitsu> Can somebody please give back geda-(gattrib|gnetlist|gschem|gsymcheck|utils) on all architectures?
[11:28] <pitti> zul: ping @ 189589
[11:28] <pitti> zul: ^ bug
[11:29] <pitti> Fujitsu: done; next time, please use {a,b,c} shell globs :)
[11:30] <Fujitsu> pitti: Thanks, will do so in future.
[11:45] <MacSlow> is there anyway I can inject a -j4 for make when doing packagbuilding to leverage the two cores of my cpu?
[11:46] <MacSlow> I just want that to be locally maybe picked up from some env-var instead of stuffing it permanently in the package (some file under debian) itself
[12:03] <awalton__> MacSlow, I think there's a variable called MAKEFLAGS you can set that will be passed to all the children of make.. it might get nasty though with lots of recursive make calss.
[12:03] <awalton__> *calls
[12:03] <asac> MacSlow: dpkg-buildpackage has a -j flag too
[12:03] <asac> according to man it will set MAKEFLAGS accordingly
[12:04] <ogra> in pbuilder its --debbuildoptions (gets handed through to dpkg-buildpackage)
[12:26] <slytherin> Can anyone please explain this condition - db_get bcm43xx-fwcutter/cut_firmware || true
[12:27] <pitti> tkamppeter: just looking at the Brother Software Open License Agreement; this looks sufficiently free for universe to me; do you think otherwise: ISTR that you wanted to have it in multiverse?
[12:29] <zul> pitti: hi
[12:30] <zul> yeah we didnt realize they were in universe already at the time.
[12:30] <pitti> tkamppeter: oh, I see; no source code
[12:31] <pitti> tkamppeter: (I was just reading the license before)
[12:32] <mjg59> pitti: Haha
[12:32] <pitti> zul: 'they'?
[12:33] <zul> pitti: dendorbates
[12:33] <zul> ill close it
[12:33] <pitti> you guys confuse me today :)
[12:33] <slytherin> pitti: I tried testing the latest jockey for broadcom chipset. I have one question though.
[12:33] <pitti> zul: ah, you mean xen-3.2 binaries are already in universe; ok
[12:34] <pitti> slytherin: sure?
[12:34] <zul> pitti: yeah sorry about it I just woke up as well
[12:34]  * pitti hugs zul; sorry, was just lacking context :)
[12:35] <slytherin> pitti: jockey is supposed to use b43-fwcutter for firmware extraction right? And it (jockey) should show a dialog for selecting a local file or downloading from net right?
[12:36] <pitti> slytherin: it currently doesn't show a download dialog, no; it leaves the downloading and install to b43-fwcutter
[12:37] <pitti> I'd like to add the dialog for local files again, though
[12:37] <slytherin> pitti: Yes, that is what I wanted to ask. Also I am trying to fix a problem with b43-fwcutter. Can you explain what this condition is - db_get bcm43xx-fwcutter/cut_firmware || true
[12:38] <pitti> slytherin: I think it tries to guess the answer from the old bcm43xx-fwcutter package
[12:38] <pitti> thus, if you already answered the 'download?' debconf question for bcm43xx, it won't ask you again
[12:39] <pitti> tkamppeter: *grumpf* this brother thing uses /usr/bin/brprintconfcl1 and /usr/local/Brother</data stuff>; this is horrible
[12:39] <slytherin> pitti: What if question from bcm43xx-fwcutter package is not present? Will it assume the answer to be true? (|| true part)
[12:39] <jaldhar> I asked this last night but I guess no one was around
[12:40] <pitti> slytherin: no, the || true just means that the script doesn't abort if the answer is not present in the debconf db
[12:40] <jaldhar> I'm trying to solve a problem in the Debian pgp4pine package where on Ubuntu the user gets *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/pgp4pine terminated
[12:40] <jaldhar> but recompiling it with gutsy doesn't help.  What should I look for?
[12:40] <pitti> hi jaldhar
[12:40] <pitti> jaldhar: does this result in a SIGSEGV?
[12:41] <pitti> jaldhar: in that case, apport should have picked it up and generated a crash report
[12:42] <jaldhar> heh actually it just kills my xterm
[12:42] <jaldhar> no crash report
[12:43] <pitti> !
[12:43] <pitti> your xterm? wow, that's harsh
[12:43] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in 17 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[12:45] <slytherin> pitti: Ok. if I understand it correctly the script will go ahead and try to download the firmware if old answer is not found. This is kind of problematic as the user may not have access to net and it will throw an error. Please let me know when you have added the old dialog again so that I will file a bug against the fwcutter package.
[12:46] <jaldhar> pitti: the debian bug is #457947 if you would like to take a look.  The submitter has provided some extra information
[12:48] <pitti> jaldhar: ah, I see, SIGABRT; we explicitly ignore this since we got too many crash reports for cases where abort() was called, which weren't actually package bugs
[12:49] <pitti> jaldhar: I'm afraid that involves a real gdb session
[12:50] <jaldhar> ok.  So let me see what I can come up with.  Thanks.
[13:01] <SlimG> ArneGoetje: I got some issues with my norwegian characters (they look like this now: æøå, they should look like this: Ã¦Ã¸Ã¥) at my keyboard in kubuntu hardy after the last update, Riddell told me to ask you, here's the output of locale (three errors): http://pastebin.com/m21925474
[13:25] <MacSlow> asac, ah cool thanks for the tip
[13:26] <MacSlow> mvo, just wondering... do you know why zoom was kicked from compiz-fusion-plugins-main?
[13:27] <mvo> MacSlow: zoom is part of the compiz-plugins package, fusion-plugs-main has ezoom
[13:27] <mvo> MacSlow: do you use zoom? I found ezoom superior in  a lot of ways
[13:28] <MacSlow> the only use for zoom I have is taking closer tools to certain UI-elements now and then... and for that I prefer this "zoom-to-selection" of the normal zoom-plugin
[13:28] <MacSlow> ezoom does not offer that
[13:30] <mvo> MacSlow: ok, zoom should still be there, no sure if we enable it by default, because of ezoom
[13:37] <MacSlow> mvo, only moved in category
[13:45] <slytherin> is there a problem with main mirror?
[14:14] <LucidFox> If any buildd admins are here, please rerun build for midori https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/midori/0.0.17-1 on architectures other than i386
[14:14] <LucidFox> (they failed due to dependence on a package in NEW)
[14:17] <pitti> LucidFox: kicked
[14:21]  * pitti looks at ogra -- "etc/ /" and "usr /" in classmate-tools-0.1/debian/classmate-tools.install ???
[14:23] <ogra> pitti, do ysou insist in having a makefile ?
[14:24] <pitti> ogra: no, but I wonder why you install upstream /etc/* and /usr/* into /
[14:24] <ogra> oh, the slashes
[14:24] <pitti> sholdn't that just be "etc" and "usr" ?
[14:24] <ogra> hmm, i wonder why they dont end up in /
[14:25] <ogra> yeah, actually it should, but the binary looks ok
[14:25] <pitti> hm, dh_install should fail on that
[14:25] <pitti> ogra: ok, if it actually works, fine for me; I just wondered, because it looks weird
[14:26] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/4609/
[14:26] <ogra> well, its surely ugly
[14:26] <pitti> ogra: man dh_install says "the
[14:26] <pitti>        installation directory is given relative to the package build directory."
[14:26] <ogra> but the result is ok
[14:26] <pitti> I guess that could also be interpreted as "whatever you specify, we'll prepend debian/package"
[14:26] <ogra> hmm
[14:26] <pitti> ogra: ok, thanks for the heads-up
[14:26] <ogra> i'll clean it up anyway
[14:27] <pitti> just confusing, but apparently it is correct under above interpretation
[14:30] <pitti> "useradd -c "ClassmatePC Admin User" -m -p '$1$HNdD8xtG$ZYTwxGjrIBCyw3DYvtUoA0' -s /bin/bash" in classmate-settings.postinst?
[14:30] <pitti> ogra: ^ I heavily object to a static default password; that's not really a secret then :)
[14:31] <pitti> ogra: shouldn't this be locked by default and instead get a debconf/other interactive dialog to set passwords?
[14:31] <ogra> nop
[14:31] <pitti> oh, it's even written in a comment ("edubuntu")
[14:32] <ogra> that wont stay this way
[14:32] <ogra> (see pm for details)
[15:00] <jdong> anyone know where isight_usb went with the latest hardy kernel?
[15:00] <jdong> uvcvideo can't cope with the isight
[15:01] <mjg59> jdong: Fabio's the right person to ask about that - he touched it last
[15:01] <mjg59> My hardware got stolen, so I've no clue
[15:03] <dholbach> mjg59: ugh... what got stolen?
[15:03] <mjg59> dholbach: My Mac and a Dell
[15:03] <dholbach> shit :(
[15:03] <mjg59> Plus some other bits and pieces
[15:03] <dholbach> how did that happen?
[15:03] <mjg59> SOmeone broke in through the back door
[15:04] <mjg59> Which reminds me, I need to phone the insurance company
[15:04] <dholbach> it might be tough to find something there, but did you check on ebay?
[15:04] <mjg59> Heh. Not really worth it
[15:04] <dholbach> I at least tried it, when they stole my car
[15:04] <mjg59> No important data on it
[15:05] <mjg59> And this way I get a hardware upgrade :)
[15:05] <dholbach> OK
[15:05] <jdong> mjg59: ouch :(
[15:06] <dholbach> are the buildds/archive/something in manual mode or something?
[15:09] <pitti> dholbach: no, why?
[15:10] <dholbach> oh, I'm still waiting for the fix that asac uploaded this morning
[15:10] <pochu> sladen: hi, am I late for FeatureFreeze? The topic here says the archive is open for development... is it ok if I upload a new aMule (universe) which also finish the libcrypto++ transition?
[15:10] <pochu> slangasek: ^ that was for you.
[15:10] <pochu> sladen: sorry
[15:10] <pitti> dholbach: given that I chase binary NEW since this morning I can tell you that the buildds are operating full speed :)
[15:10] <asac> dholbach: the mirrors still don't have those locales?
[15:11] <dholbach> ok
[15:11] <pitti> pochu: that sounds like a bug fix
[15:11] <pochu> pitti: yes but it's also a new upstream snapshot
[15:12] <pitti> pochu: if it has new features, please ask the new motu-release team
[15:12] <pochu> pitti: alright, thanks.
[15:47] <asac> doko: Xb-Npp- headers got lost for the sun-java plugin packages :( ... maybe commit them to svn and send them to debian as well (I assume you prefer to sync)?
[15:47] <\sh> doko: could you explain why we can't ship the java-doc zip packages, which are needed by sun-java*-doc package? :)
[15:53] <dholbach> bdmurray, thekorn: do you think it'd make sense to upload py-lp-bugs / bughelper to the bughelper-dev team ppa for older releases too?
[15:54] <dholbach> bdmurray, thekorn: it's not really supported for older releases, but it might make sense - what do you think?
[15:55] <doko> \sh: read the license agreement they require, on download
[15:55] <doko> asac: really? I'll look at it next week
[15:58] <asac> doko: thanks.
[16:03] <bdmurray> dholbach: so kind of like backports? that makes sense to me
[16:04] <dholbach> bdmurray: we just need to make sure we upload it as    <version>~gutsy1 , etc
[16:05] <bdmurray> dholbach: okay, I'll try to get to it before the class next week then
[16:05] <dholbach> rock on
[16:05]  * dholbach hugs super-bdmurray
[16:06]  * bdmurray hugs dholbach
[16:10] <sistpoty|work> dholbach: just had the idea to maybe use gobby for the library session during the open dev week... do we have a gobby server somewhere, which I could use?
[16:10] <dholbach> sistpoty|work: gobby.ubuntu.com
[16:11] <dholbach> IRC could work too :)
[16:11] <sistpoty|work> dholbach: cool, thx!
[16:11] <dholbach> mako: nxvl_work just told me that there is a edubuntu meeting at the same time we plan the CC meeting
[16:12] <nxvl_work> mako: 20 Feb 20:00: Education Team
[16:12] <mathiaz> dholbach: and there is a server team meeting one hour after
[16:18] <dholbach> nxvl_work: I mailed him in case he's not around here
[16:20] <nxvl_work> dholbach: i think he must be online, as he has just edited the wiki, just not pending on the IRC
[16:20] <nxvl_work> dholbach: but thats ok, i will wait :D thanks!
[16:26] <mako> nxvl_work: you are off by one day, i think
[16:26] <mako> nxvl_work: proposed cc meeting is *at* 20 on the 21st
[16:26] <mako> apparently, i typed it incorrectly into the wiki :)
[16:26] <mako> sorry about that!
[16:27] <nxvl_work> mako: not on the wiki
[16:27] <nxvl_work> mako: heh, ok
[16:27] <nxvl_work> :D
[16:33] <mako> sorry for the confusion
[16:57] <tgelter> morning all
[16:57] <tgelter> I can't get a custom config I've created to be recognized by debian/rules when I try to build
[16:58] <tgelter> $ AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules
[16:58] <tgelter> binary-thinkpadmake: *** No rule to make target `binary-thinkpad'.  Stop.
[16:58] <tgelter> any ideas?
[17:00] <tgelter> all: ping
[17:19] <seb128> does anybody knows why we use /media for windows partitions mounting? the fhs describes it as "This directory contains subdirectories which are used as mount points for removeable media such as floppy disks, cdroms and zip disks."
[17:20] <seb128> I'm having a discussion with the mandriva GNOME maintainer about how what gvfs should be listing
[17:20] <seb128> and they have the windows partitions mounted under /mnt so they think /mnt should be listed
[17:21] <seb128> where we use /media and don't list things in /mnt in nautilus
[17:29] <persia> seb128: I'd prefer unmounted partitions not to be in /media.  I have a couple partitions I only mount manually, and it is odd that there is a difference between calling `sudo mount /data` and double-clicking the icon for the partition in nautilus.  This isn't directly related to Windows partitions, but I suspect a change for Windows partitions would also address my use case.
[17:29] <persia> The justification being that fixed partitions not listed as automount in /etc/fstab aren't "removable media".
[17:30] <seb128> persia: well, they should not be in /media then, but they are
[17:30] <seb128> persia: and unmounted partitions are nowhere since they are not mounted
[17:31] <seb128> persia: nautilus uses gnome-mount and do the mounting when you double click on something not mounted
[17:31] <persia> seb128: Right, but if I double-click the icon in "Computer", it mounts to /media, whereas if I run `mount /dev/sdb1` it mounts to /data.
[17:32] <persia> (maybe I have a different issue, and should go research it and report a bug)
[17:32] <seb128> why would it mount to data?
[17:32] <seb128> when using mount you need to either have it in fstab or specify the mountpoint
[17:32] <persia> seb128: Because there is an entry in the fstab to mount it there, but not to mount on boot.
[17:32] <seb128> ok, that's something you added
[17:32] <seb128> and gnome-mount should probably respect it
[17:33] <seb128> that's a gnome-mount bug and I different issue than my question ;-)
[17:33] <persia> Ah.  Nevermind then, I have a different bug.  I'll dig up some details, and report it then.
[17:33] <persia> I still think fixed disks aren't removable media, and support not mounting them in /media
[17:34] <seb128> well, that's not what we do now
[17:34] <seb128> and why was my question ;-)
[17:35] <jeromeg> hello
[17:36] <sistpoty|work> seb128: /mnt seems an equally bad choice (temporarily mounted partitions) to me... not too sure where it *should* go then though
[17:36] <jeromeg> seb128: once metacity 2.22 is released, are you against a backport to gutsy ?
[17:36] <mario_limonciell> seb128, now that gmyth is in universe, I've attached a patch for totem to that bug to activate it (it just modifies build depends in control.in), and verified it.  slomo_ offered to upload it, so was there anything else related to this that would be troublesome?
[17:37] <persia> My memory of Mandrake (which may not apply to Mandriva) is that there were many subdirectories under /mnt used to mount different things.
[17:40] <seb128> jeromeg: no, why should we? I'm not in the backport team and don't do backports anyway
[17:40] <seb128> mario_limonciell: I've seen that but I've quite busy at the moment, will look later
[17:40] <mario_limonciell> seb128, okay thank you.
[17:41] <jeromeg> seb128: yep yep, I know, but as it's maintained by the desktop team which you are one of the leaders, I just wanted to know your thoughts on this
[17:41] <seb128> jeromeg: I don't see the interest, that's only a window manager, new versions are not bringing a lot and I don't expect many users still running gutsy when hardy will be available
[17:41] <jeromeg> seb128: well, it brings the compositor
[17:42] <jeromeg> except that, yes, it has no real interest
[17:42] <seb128> echos I've had is that's it not that fancy and quite slow for many users
[17:42] <seb128> but as said I'm not part of the backport team, they can backport it if they want, I've no objection
[17:42] <seb128> doesn't seem a priority to me though
[17:42] <jeromeg> ok
[17:43] <jeromeg> thank you
[17:43] <seb128> you are welcome
[17:49] <jeromeg> got to go bye
[18:13] <persia> seb128: No evidence that this was the basis, but the best documentation I can find is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PartitionConfigure
[18:15] <seb128> persia: that spec has been deprecated
[18:16] <persia> seb128: Right.  Like I said "No evidence that was the basis".  Still, if that was discussed at uds-mtv, it may have germinated the discussion that led to the current state.  Anyway, I can't find anything else :(
[18:29] <persia> seb128: Maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PartitionProber (although old and possibly pre-specs)
[18:30] <persia> Aha!  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mount-all-local-filesystems specifies /media/
[19:20] <mario_limonciell> bdmurray, ping, i had a question about one of the debugging pages you wrote
[19:21] <bdmurray> mario_limonciell: okay, I might have just been the last person that edited it but what is your question?
[19:21] <slangasek> Amaranth: I see that you set the milestone yourself for bug #184720; is this being worked on?
[19:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184720 in compiz "readd intel 965 to blacklist" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184720
[19:22] <Amaranth> slangasek: ah, well...
[19:22] <mario_limonciell> bddebian, well I'm attempting to debug a suspend related issue as described here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend, and after the failed suspend continue to reboot.  well since the RTC has a completely wrong value due to the nature of this, fsck is forced.  this ends up taking longer than 3 minutes, and institutes a reboot afterward as well
[19:22] <mario_limonciell> corrupting the rtc and losing the valuable data
[19:22] <Amaranth> slangasek: I'd have to talk to bryce, tjaalton, and mvo about what we're going to do with the 965.
[19:23] <bdmurray> mario_limonciell: "You can avoid a long fsck delay by using 'tune2fs'"
[19:23] <mario_limonciell> bdmurray, oh but nvm it looks like i completely missed an option above
[19:23] <mario_limonciell> yeah
[19:23] <bryce> Amaranth: yeah we need to get that sorted out soon
[19:23] <mario_limonciell> bdmurray, sorry for bothering you :)
[19:23] <bdmurray> mario_limonciell: np if you discover what options to use somebody seems to have asked about that
[19:24] <slangasek> Amaranth: ok; I'm marking it as 'beta' for the milestone then so it doesn't distract from critical bugs that should be worked on immediately for alpha-5, but please don't let that stop you from working it out sooner :)
[19:24] <bdmurray> mario_limonciell: I mean the default ones
[19:24] <Amaranth> slangasek: just need to get everyone on at the same time to figure it out
[19:24] <Amaranth> I just pinged them, maybe they'll show up :)
[19:24] <Amaranth> oh, here is bryce already :)
[19:24] <bryce> Amaranth: tjaalton says 965 with greedy turned on, exa is ok.  I'm not sure what we'd need to change to make that the default for 965.  Maybe just some dexconf logic?
[19:25] <bryce> for non-965 I think we'd like to stay with XAA for now
[19:25] <Amaranth> bryce: That'd be something you'd want to do for only that 965 so it should be a change inside the driver itself
[19:26] <bryce> I could probably code the change, but I'd need more direction about exactly what the change needs to be (I've not tested with greedy yet myself)
[19:27] <mario_limonciell> bdmurray, ah yeah I'll add the default one to that page.  Thanks
[19:27] <bdmurray> mario_limonciell: thank you!
[19:39] <tjaalton> bryce, Amaranth: right, change the driver itself since changing dexconf is always fragile, and it doesn't help those who upgrade
[19:39] <Amaranth> tjaalton: You're going to do this, then?
[19:40] <tjaalton> btw, my irssi doesn't highlight the channels where my nick has been mentioned other than in the beginning of the msg. did I break my config?
[19:40] <persia> tjaalton: I'm fiddling with recommends for nvidia-settings, just in case you happen to bump into the same thing.
[19:40] <tjaalton> Amaranth: maybe we can coordinate this with bryce
[19:41] <tjaalton> persia: lrm suggests it, isn't that enough?
[19:42] <persia> tjaalton: Except nvidia-settings has a versioned Recommends: on nvidia-glx, which wasn't satisfied by Provides: .  I'm testing a solution (as even Dapper has a new enough nvidia-glx we shouldn't have to specify a version), and will upload within the hour.
[19:42] <tjaalton> persia: oh ok, please fix it :)
[19:42] <persia> The issue is that the driver recommended the settings package, which recommended the old driver, which self-conflicted :)
[19:43] <tjaalton> heh
[19:44] <bryce> tjaalton, Amaranth, I can take a look at making changes to the driver, if you can give me a bit more detail about what would need changed specifically?
[19:45] <tjaalton> bryce: I need to look at the code first ;)
[19:47] <mario_limonciell> when suspending with g-p-m, is /etc/acpi/sleep.sh still called, or is it all pm-utils stuff that doesn't touch sleep.sh anymore?
[19:48] <bryce> tjaalton: what is the option that needs to be switched on?  (grep -i greedy in the source returns nothing)
[19:54] <frafu> Hello, I would like to have a piece of information about mir and feature freeze: mousetweaks is a module in the process to pass mir. As feature freeze has passed, a freeze exception is required. My questions: Who is supposed to ask for the freeze exception: the person from the mir team that accepts mousetweaks into main, or the person that submitted mousetweaks to mir (that would be me) ?
[19:54] <bryce> ah, Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
[19:56] <tjaalton> bryce: yes, it's actually an option for EXA, so maybe it's passed on to the server
[19:58] <eddie> so, is the latest version of hardy doing?
[19:59] <tortoise> I'm the developer of onboard and python-virtkey which are both in main, who do I contact to update them in Hardy?
[20:01] <persia> tortoise: You've just missed the deadline to make it easy.  Your best bet is to file a bug, and follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess, although https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResponsibilities may help you identify someone to help.
[20:02] <ScottK2> tortoise: Additionally, indicate if they've been updated in Debian already as sync'ing from there takes a lot less work and is considered lower risk.
[20:03] <mvo> slangasek: the "Could not calculate the upgrade" you reported, did it mention firefox anywhere?
[20:03] <bryce> tjaalton, Amaranth, ok, working on a patch...
[20:09] <slangasek> mvo: update-manager said nothing except for that error message, which seems to discourage debugging. :)  apt-get dist-upgrade reports a firefox problem, yes.
[20:09] <mvo> slangasek: ok, thanks
[20:14] <bryce> hmm, just need to sort out how to pass an option back *up* to the server from the driver.  hrm
[20:15] <tjaalton> bryce: or match the device there
[20:15] <tjaalton> and patch the server too
[20:15] <bryce> yeah possibly
[20:15] <tjaalton> or only the server
[20:21] <bryce> tjaalton: hmm, so far I'm not finding other instances of options being passed back to the server; perhaps it's not allowed to do it
[20:23] <tjaalton> bryce: jbarnes seems to be online, why not ask him directly :)
[20:23] <tjaalton> if this is possible or not
[20:25] <bryce> tjaalton: heh, that's exactly what I was thinking... already asked
[20:26] <tjaalton> cool :)
[20:41] <ion_> Re: the new background image: WTF? :-)
[20:51] <jwendell> seb128, around?
[20:52] <seb128> jwendell: yes
[20:52] <jwendell> seb128, does hardy support system-bus activation ? (This is a question in a bug I've opened)
[20:52] <jwendell> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513138
[20:52] <ubotu> Gnome bug 513138 in clock ""Set" button in locations doesn't work" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[20:52] <seb128> jwendell: yes
[20:53] <jwendell> seb128, thanks
[20:53] <seb128> jwendell: the service is installed and bus activation is working
[21:07] <asac> bryce: stupid question. should XRenderComposite work for all drivers?
[21:08] <bryce> asac, it should for most of the major drivers, but no, not all of them
[21:09] <asac> bryce: are there different operations, where one might work for all and some other operation won't work (e.g. especially tile)
[21:09] <asac> (sorry i have not clue at all ... just looking at cairo code :))
[21:09] <bryce> asac, not sure - Amaranth may know
[21:10] <asac> bryce: ok, one more: is tile an operation for xrendercomposite or is that something different?
[21:11] <Amaranth> err, Render compositing is different from the Composite extension
[21:11] <Amaranth> anything that has to do with Render should work everything
[21:11] <Amaranth> err, everywhere
[21:11] <bryce> ah ok
[21:11] <Amaranth> worst case (most of the time, actually) it just happens in software
[21:11] <asac> Amaranth: i have no clue. i just see that if cairo uses XRenderComposite for tiled backgrounds we get garbage for some drivers, and if we use XTile it works :)
[21:11] <Amaranth> this is why EXA is important, actual hardware accelerated Render :)
[21:12] <asac> the garbage happens for XAA
[21:12] <Amaranth> asac: what drivers?
[21:12] <Amaranth> when using XAA with intel and ati basically the entire Render extension is done in software
[21:12] <asac> i know about fglrx, ati and i think intel (but not sure about that)
[21:12] <asac> Amaranth: do you have intel?
[21:12] <asac> you could try by using preview on ubuntu wiki with ffox 3
[21:13] <Amaranth> nope, i have nvidia
[21:13] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/corrupted1.png
[21:13] <asac> darn
[21:13] <asac> i think jorge confirmed that it happened for him with intel + XAA as well
[21:13] <Amaranth> fglrx, ati, and intel would all be using the same software version
[21:13] <asac> yeah ... where is that?
[21:13] <Amaranth> nvidia has their own code
[21:14] <Amaranth> Somewhere in the X server, I guess
[21:14] <asac> makes sense then
[21:14] <asac> hehe
[21:14] <asac> bryce: ^^
[21:14] <ion_> asac: That looks like a good mode to browse the Ubuntu forums. You’re guaranteed to get more informative and sensible content.
[21:14] <asac> lol
[21:14] <keescook> okay, this always eludes me, and I can never find good examples.  If I'm moving a file from one binpkg to another binpkg in the same srcpkg, how do I set up the conflict/replace bits?
[21:15] <mjj29> from A to B then B replaces/conflicts A (<< ${binary:Version})
[21:16] <keescook> mjj29: hm, perhaps I had it backwords.  I will try again.  thanks!
[21:16] <bryce> asac, I've not seen that particular issue with firefox 3 on -intel with EXA
[21:17] <bryce> asac: maybe pop into #cairo and we can question cworth on it?
[21:17] <asac> bryce: read above: XAA
[21:17] <asac> bryce: well ... cworth already knows about this issue :)
[21:27] <bryce> tjaalton: ok, hacked up a couple patches to fix exa / 965, posted to bug 177492
[21:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177492
[21:28] <tjaalton> bryce: that was quick
[21:28] <bryce> tjaalton: I've not tested that they apply or work or anything
[21:35] <sistpoty> tjaalton: are there plans to make nvidia-glx a virtual package?
[21:35] <bryce> tjaalton: lemme know if you get a chance to test those patches; I'm going to grab lunch and then get back on the xrandr gui stuff
[21:36] <tjaalton> sistpoty: no plans, what's the use case?
[21:36] <tjaalton> bryce: yep, I have all the hardware right here ;)
[21:36] <sistpoty> tjaalton: no idea... just saw an upload of nvidia-settings from which I guessed that
[21:37] <tjaalton> sistpoty: ah, no there was a "conflict" before that change
[21:38] <sistpoty> tjaalton: ah, k... I'm adding the proper conflicts now btw. :)
[21:38] <sistpoty> (maybe not proper, but rather defensive...)
[22:42] <tjaalton> bryce: intel compiled, xserver failed but probably not due to the patch
[22:43] <bryce> failed on compile or boot?
[22:43] <tjaalton> bryce: btw, intel needs another patch to force xaa for !I965G
[22:43] <tjaalton> compile
[22:45] <tjaalton> right, I had some git master version of mesa sources
[22:45] <bryce> ahh
[22:46] <tjaalton> another try
[22:57] <tjaalton> could an archive admin push the latest lrm (built) to the archive? there was a silly bug which makes nvidia owners very sad
[22:57] <tjaalton> bryce: ha, now the build failed again
[22:58] <tjaalton> bryce: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/4623/
[22:58] <bryce> tjaalton: er, odd I thought I left that out of the patch, one sec
[22:59] <tjaalton> hmm, maybe I had a wrong version then
[22:59] <bryce> oh whoops no I see my error
[23:00] <bryce> the xserver patch should say:
[23:00] <bryce> +    if (pScreenInfo->flags & EXA_MIGRATION_GREEDY) {
[23:00] <bryce> +        pExaScr->migration = ExaMigrationGreedy;
[23:00] <bryce> +    }
[23:00] <bryce>
[23:00] <bryce> ...uploading fixed patch to the bug...
[23:02] <jdong> bryce: schweet! fixing -intel slowness?
[23:02] <bryce> jdong: yeah
[23:02] <jdong> that's always a good thing :)
[23:02] <bryce> jdong: well more of a workaround
[23:03] <jdong> meh fix workaround.... X will be faster :)
[23:03] <bryce> jdong: but tjaalton says it'll let us close a whole mess of EXA/965 bugs. dell, intel, and many others will become happy
[23:04] <tjaalton> it's not perfect but satisfactory
[23:05] <jdong> awesome, that's good to hear
[23:06] <bryce> tjaalton: originally I had implemented my change by adding a new boolean parameter migrationGreedy to the pScreenInfo data structure, but then I realized it would be better to put it in the flags param since that'd be less invasive and wouldn't risk ABI issues
[23:07] <bryce> but I forgot to change that one part of the xserver patch over
[23:07] <tjaalton> heh, right
[23:19] <tjaalton> bryce: ok here goes..
[23:21] <jdong> tjaalton: aaah X doesn't start anymore (kidding :D)
[23:27] <tjaalton> jdong, bryce: starts, but the hack doesn't seem to work yet :/
[23:27] <tjaalton> I got broken shadows and stuff
[23:29] <bryce> hrmble
[23:30] <tjaalton> there's no mention on the log about forcing it
[23:33] <bryce> tjaalton: ok, well I'm in the midst of xrandr hackery, but will plan to look into it more when I get some time
[23:34] <bryce> maybe one of the other options also needs set or something
[23:34] <bryce> or maybe there's too many checks in the patch, and something is preventing it from turning on
[23:35] <tjaalton> bryce: maybe the first defined(I830_USE_EXA)?
[23:36] <tjaalton> hmm no
[23:37] <bryce> did you build the -intel driver after installing the patched xserver?
[23:37] <bryce> if it's done the other way 'round, then the greedy stuff won't get compiled in
[23:37] <tjaalton> ah
[23:40] <tjaalton> ok, another try
[23:42] <tjaalton> nope, the same
[23:45] <tjaalton> bryce: I'll check it again in the morning
[23:45] <tjaalton> night ->
[23:46] <bryce> tjaalton: thx, night


 @DarinMiller https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pipewire/0.3.19-3
 I believe you had issues?
 Yes, I did have an issue with pipewire not consistently recognizing my wireless headset. And this could possibly fix the problem.  This will 0.3.13-3  be in 21.04?
 @DarinMiller, That in in proposed fro 21.04 right now
 Anyway, just FYI if you might like to test ;)
 Thanks!
 As far I can tell with limited testing, 3.13-3 seems to be working.  On plasma 5.21, the advance sound panel is gone.  The advanced sound panel reported if both BT microphone and headset were working as expected where as now sound hw only appears in the Audio Volume  Tray panel.
 Sound volume control is "delayed" with BT headphones...
 Non-pipewire (PA)  is also delayed, but pw seems slightly more delayed... both usable though....
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Hi folks


[02:36] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:59] <ducasse> hi guys
[09:39] <marcoagpinto> heya
[09:39] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:39] <marcoagpinto> working on the projects
[09:40] <marcoagpinto> "a developer's work is never resumed"
[16:45] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[16:54] <MacSlow> Anybody present with an AMD-laptop that is equipped with a gyro/3D-accelerometer? Please ping me.
[16:58] <MacSlow> FYI... I want to see if my dbus-skills to read from net.hadess.SensorProxy work "outside" of the all-intel world. I am currently writing the sensor-reading part to a patch for kmscon, in order to have it automatically rotate the output based on the laptop/tablet orientation.
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> Imagine telling someone to run apport-collect, they run it, and then they delete the apport information from the bug description. *facepalm*
[20:12] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: :O
[20:12] <arraybolt3> Wait, seriously?
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> Yep. Had to get it from the email.
[20:12] <arraybolt3> Did they even say why?
[20:13] <arraybolt3> Probably something about being worried about personal info leaking?
[20:13] <Eickmeyer> They haven't. They just deleted it without saying anything after it uploaded the logs and updated the description even though it had already updated the description. I put it back from the records I had in email.
[20:14] <arraybolt3> Weird. I mean I guess I've been worried about stuff like that before, but they're already running our OS, if they're that worried about us taking their personal info, maybe they should consider that we already have software on their system with full root access ;-)
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> Heh. I mean, the logs they uploaded have more information than the mere description info.
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> I just needed the package version and media info, which the logs don't have.
[20:16] <arraybolt3> Reminds me of when me and some people in #linux had to do everything short of beg for an unedited dmesg log for debugging a bad flash drive. The person still redacted some of the info XD Thankfully there was enough left to figure out what happened.
[20:16] <Eickmeyer> bug 2003731 if you're wondering.
[20:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Bug 2003731 in studio-controls (Ubuntu) "ssh logins as other users kills autojack session on desktop" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2003731
[20:18] <arraybolt3> Maybe they thought that all of the tons of extra comments were spammy and thought something had gone wrong.
[20:18] <arraybolt3> Op, Simon's saying something in an important channel, /me goes and finds out what
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> Meh, I need them to check the newer version of Studio Controls.
[21:20] <Bashing-om> UWN:Issue771 now available to our reading public: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue771 :D


[00:52] <zxq9> iirc there was a live-cd/usb image that is made just for fixing/reinstalling grub2.
[01:19] <R13ose> Can I remote into my Ubuntu laptop from Android 8.1.0 phone to take over the desktop and use the keyboard of the Android phone?
[01:21] <gogeta> R13ose: you meean vnc in yes
[01:23] <R13ose> gogeta: will allow me to take control of desktop and keyboard?
[01:24] <gogeta> R13ose: yes there is tons of vnc apps out there
[01:25] <gogeta> R13ose: do note having anything like that open to the internet bad things can happen
[01:26] <R13ose> gogeta: no way to use internal ips?
[01:26] <gogeta> R13ose: you can
[01:27] <gogeta> R13ose: if you configure ufw to only let local ips use the vnc port
[01:27] <R13ose> Thanks.  I might try
[01:29] <gogeta> R13ose: x11vnc is the one thats easy to deal with
[01:29] <gogeta> R13ose: as it mirrors your corrent display
[01:29] <gogeta> R13ose: one you have your vnc server working any vnc client app can network in
[01:31] <R13ose> Great.  Thanks again
[01:44] <halcyon_> is there a fix in progress for the slow networking speeds on Kubuntu 18.04 ?
[02:01] <R13ose> gogeta: can I setup vnc server with a GUI application?
[03:04] <Guest10283> hi all
[03:05] <Guest10283> hi alle i did irc
[03:06] <TheSolenya> do you have a question?
[03:08] <Guest10283> have question
[03:12] <Guest10283> ihave kubuntu 18.04lts 64 bit how do i see  network shares and connect to them my first expereance with linuxwasin 20002 i ren a wedserver off mandrake linux a fork  off redhat  learning again
[05:14] <cbpye> so I may have installed myself into a bit of a bind here.  At the moment, I've booted off of the install media.  I've already (presumably) successfully installed Kubuntu, but I never saw an opportunity to press 'e' and add nomodeset to my boot line.  Booting into the new install now presents me with an unusable display thanks to the noveau driver.
[05:16] <cbpye> is there a tool on the install media that allows one to modify the GRUB configuration?
[05:24] <scorlupka> hello, guys
[05:25] <scorlupka> do someone know where I can find icons for main menu?
[05:25] <scorlupka> becuase the default one is pretty horrible
[05:25] <scorlupka> tried to google but didn't find any site
[05:28] <viewer|30091> Can anyone help me dual boot kubuntu and windows 10?
[05:47] <Larson-> hello people, are the 18.04.1 images final/safe to use? (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/18.04.1/release/)
[05:52] <acheronuk> Larson-: should be. just been a delay in updating our download page
[05:53] <Larson-> swell
[05:53] <Larson-> thanks for the update
[05:54] <acheronuk> in fact, I'll update that page right now
[05:54] <Larson-> lol :)
[05:55] <Larson-> my contribution to kubuntu: "pushing" the devs to update the download page :D
[05:56] <scorlupka> good job anyway
[05:57] <acheronuk> to be fair, edit permissions are limited, and some people have been unwell
[05:58] <acheronuk> scorlupka: you want the location of the current 18.04 one?
[05:59] <acheronuk> that is /usr/share/plasma/desktoptheme/kubuntu/icons/start.svgz
[05:59] <scorlupka> acheronuk: no, I am good. It took a lot of time to get previous version to work
[05:59] <acheronuk> ok. np
[05:59] <scorlupka> acheronuk: I just need new icon for main menu
[05:59] <scorlupka> but there is no place in the universe where I can download it :D
[06:00] <scorlupka> acheronuk: ASUS doesn't like linux, you know
[06:02] <acheronuk> scorlupka: DL https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-settings/tree/desktop/theme/desktoptheme/kubuntu/icons?h=kubuntu_bionic_archive
[06:02] <acheronuk> also the original KDE sources in you know where to look :P
[06:03] <acheronuk> so just not the obvious places in this universe
[06:04] <scorlupka> acheronuk: thank you!
 Hey there! … I wanted to ask, if there is a shortcut to hide the top-edge of a window (where on the right corner are the options to minimize, maximize and close a window etc.) ?
[07:41] <cbpye> does kubuntu 18.04 enable Weyland instead of Xorg by default?
[07:56] <scorlupka> cbpye: no
[09:16] <silv3r_m00n> i cant find kdesudo command on ubuntu 18.04 now what should i do to launch dolphin with root privileges ?
[09:35] <Tin_man> silv3r_m00n, from what I've read you have to hack Dolphin to run in root.  I don't like Dolphin, (myself), and Installed Nautilus, which will run as root.
[10:00] <silv3r_m00n> Tin_man: but where is kdesudo ?
[10:01] <Tin_man> just use sudo
[10:01] <Tin_man> sudo nautilus
[10:57] <gogeta> Tin_man: no hacks nedded
[11:08] <gogeta> silv3r_m00n: dolphin will not run as root. but if a root action is nedded it will prompt you
[11:11] <gogeta> silv3r_m00n: if your looking to copy and move files you need to enable that
[11:29] <vegaaaaaaa> Are the most known bugs ironed out since the last LTS release in Kubuntu?
[11:29] <vegaaaaaaa> If there were any at all... :)
[11:32] <vegaaaaaaa> I mean since the LTS came out.
[11:38] <BluesKaj> vegaaaaaaa, depends on your HW and installed drivers and apps etc
[11:40] <vegaaaaaaa> BluesKaj: True. I run Manjaro KDE and Linux Mint Cinnamon the most these days. I want something stable with an Ubuntu foundation. And with fresh KDE software. So Kubuntu is probably the best choice for me at the moment. I didn't have a good experience with neon.
[11:42] <vegaaaaaaa> On my quest for installing drivers for my Nvidia and AMD graphics cards on Mint I fcked up my install. So Kubuntu next.
[11:42] <BluesKaj> vegaaaaaaa, yeah, neon is more bleeding edge than Kubuntu. There can be problems with it alright.
[11:43] <vegaaaaaaa> I see. How minimal is the minimal Kubuntu installation?
[11:43] <BluesKaj> vegaaaaaaa, is this an Optimus equipped lartop ?
[11:43] <BluesKaj> err laptop
[11:44] <vegaaaaaaa> On the laptop I have Manjaro KDE and the WiFi isn't working properly. Most likely some bleeding edge updates that the computer didn't like. Maybe the kernel. It is on the desktop computer I will install Kubuntu.
[11:45] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:45] <vegaaaaaaa> It has an Nvidia 1070 and an AMD RX570 or something.
[11:46] <vegaaaaaaa> Not sure which of those drivers that ruined the Mint installation. I think the amdgpu did the havoc.
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Kubuntu can handle most desktop HW quite well, but 2 different brand gpu can pose a problem in some cases , especially with multiple monitors
[11:48] <vegaaaaaaa> I see. I use 1-2 monitors.
[11:48] <vegaaaaaaa> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports is the official KDE backport?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> I don't know much about using multiple gpus/monitors
[11:49] <vegaaaaaaa> Hmm. Unsupported packages from untrusted PPA?
[11:52] <BluesKaj> from launchpad ?
[11:53] <vegaaaaaaa> Yeah
[11:53] <vegaaaaaaa> But I guess it's just a typical warning since it is not the standard experience
[11:54] <BluesKaj> you can find it here with instructions
[11:54] <BluesKaj> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[11:54] <BluesKaj> yeah, backports are development repos
[11:55] <BluesKaj> for early adopters
[11:55] <vegaaaaaaa> But it sounds more stable to use Kubuntu+KDE-PPA than neon or Manjaro. Right?
[11:56] <vegaaaaaaa> No bashing intended at all. Just trying to navigate the jungle.
[11:57] <BluesKaj> dunno about manjaro, but Kubuntu backport ppas are usually quite stable
[11:59] <vegaaaaaaa> Manjaro has been stable for me, KDE included, but I want the Ubuntu docs, support and guides. And I do not trust the AUR. So I think I will be happy with Kubuntu again. :)
[12:00] <vegaaaaaaa> Thanks for your input BluesKaj!
[12:00] <BluesKaj> vegaaaaaaa,  glad to help :-)
[12:43] <vegaaaaaaa> When is 5.13 landing in the backports?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> vegaaaaaaa, not sure , but you can add the ninjas ppa if you're feeling adventurous https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ubuntu/plasma/+index
[12:56] <BluesKaj> brb
[13:12] <BluesKaj> vegaaaaaaa, just installed plasma 5.13.3 and all is well so far, but I'm a Kubuntu tester so I run Kubuntu Cosmic 18.10 development OS.
[13:13] <BluesKaj> stuff to do for a few mins...bbl
[13:23] <vegaaaaaaa> BluesKaj: Nice. I will just wait for it to land in the backports PPA. No problem.
[13:27] <BluesKaj> vegaaaaaaa, yeah, gonna remove the ninja ppa now since it's stable as is. That way no conflits will come up until it's in the backports by default
[13:28] <BluesKaj> this is a normal procedure for testing edgy ppas
[13:33] <BluesKaj> ok, bbl, gonna try it on 18,04
[16:19] <phoenix_firebrd> does digikam have a official irc channel?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, yes
[16:25] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: is it #digikam?
[16:26] <BluesKaj>  one # indicates it's official
[16:27] <BluesKaj> bbl
[16:27] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[16:27] <GutterKid> Hello all
[16:40] <vegaaaaaaaaaaaaa> Is "# dd bs=4M if=/path/to/kubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdx status=progress oflag=sync" fine for putting Kubuntu on an USB?
[16:41] <vegaaaaaaaaaaaaa> Should I tweak the bs-value?
[17:11] <ed4567876> hi, I am on laptop and my ctrl (both keys) dont work, not even detected by xev, what can I do
[17:11] <ed4567876> ?
[21:23] <chrs> Does anyone on here use Kmymoney that would be willing to answer a few questions?
[21:25] <oft_gegong> that would be NotKmymoney
[21:25] <oft_gegong> j/king
[21:31] <chrs> Just curious. I've never used it and I'm curious about it. Why does it ask for account information during setup?
[21:31] <oft_gegong> probably because it's primarily a client
[21:32] <chrs> Does it transfer any of my banking information over the internet or access my account directly online?
[21:33] <oft_gegong> I've never heard of a KDE application that accesses bank information, let me do some check ups..
[21:34] <chrs> Awesome thank you. I did some research myself but I wasn't able to find the infromation I was looking for. If its only a local-only thing, then I dont mind, but if its wanting to do outside communication, I'm not too srue. lol
[21:35] <oft_gegong> so it's like Quicken, which is money manager software. And also like Microsoft's MS-money. I'm guessing it does things like transaction/withdrawal/deposit accounting, keeping track of money. You'll probably have to see if you bank is compatible with kmymoney
[21:36] <oft_gegong> honestly I've been using a computer a long time, my bank I usually go through their website
[21:36] <oft_gegong> with like firefox or seamonkey web browser
[21:37] <oft_gegong> it looks/appears like a 95% "outside" thing. But the logging into banking online services might be optional through a command-line switch.
[21:51] <chrs> Sorry to whoever I was speaking with about Kmymoney. My computer crashed.  aha!
[22:02] <oft_gegong> chrs_:   `apt-cache show kmymoney' to show a summary of the package without having to install it


[09:00] <parijat> Hello everybody. Can anyone give me pointer to setting up ubuntu quickly with emacs instead of editing inside gedit


[08:26] <tjaalton> mesa 7.10.2, go/no-go ?
[10:28] <RAOF> tjaalton: The diffstat is (somewhat surprisingly) not too scary.  Everything seems to work, too.
[10:28] <tjaalton> RAOF: oh, you've tested it already?
[10:28] <RAOF> A bit today.
[10:28] <tjaalton> ok, nice
[10:30] <tjaalton> next week the kernel will be frozen, so if we want to disable nouveau acceleration by default we should make it now
[10:30] <tjaalton> OTOH fedora doesn't do it anymore
[10:30] <tjaalton> so maybe it would be too invasive a change at this point
[10:31] <RAOF> And we don't seem to have users screaming about it, either.
[10:31] <tjaalton> right
[10:31] <tjaalton> let's keep status quo then
[10:32] <RAOF> I've got a nouveau upload that supposedly fixes an EXA crash, but, again, people don't seem to be hitting it.
[10:32] <tjaalton> got a link to a bug?
[10:32] <RAOF> No; it was just talking with darktama.\
[10:32] <tjaalton> ok
[12:01] <tjaalton> great, can't install maverick on a spare machine because of ati kms fail
[12:02] <tjaalton> have to use a dvi-dsub dongle, and it doesn't seem to recognize it
[12:08] <tjaalton> radeon.modeset=0 to the rescue, of course..
[12:20] <tjaalton> except X still doesn't work
[12:22] <tseliot> is it a new card?
[12:24] <tjaalton> no, an ancient X800
[12:24] <tjaalton> hum no, some firegl device actually, but from the same era
[12:24] <tjaalton> I'll try natty next
[12:26] <tseliot> hmm..
[12:26] <tjaalton> x starts, just no picture to prove it
[12:26] <tjaalton> logfile looks innocent as well
[12:57] <tjaalton> same with natty
[13:03] <tjaalton> works with the dvi cable
[13:41] <tseliot> tjaalton: what cable was the one that didn't work?
[13:52] <tjaalton> tseliot: d-sub, with a dvi dongle
[13:52] <tseliot> ah, ok
[16:55] <kklimonda> hey, any chance that one of you, X people have seen something like that on nouveau: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kklimonda/wtf.png ?
[21:35] <bryceh_> heya sarvatt
[21:44] <Sarvatt_> heyo! sorry, swapping between 4 different machines and missed IRC
[21:45] <Sarvatt_> btw
[21:45] <Sarvatt_> Error:  Failure creating backup file for /etc/default/grub.  Changes not applied.
[21:45] <Sarvatt_> [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/etc/default/grub.bak'
[21:46] <Sarvatt_> bryceh_: doesn't look like this runs update-grub after?
[21:48] <Sarvatt_> bryceh_: hrm, second run thinks "disable bootloader graphics" isn't applied 100% of the time
[21:48] <Sarvatt_> but its there
[21:56] <bryceh_> Sarvatt, yeah I just added update-grub yesterday
[21:56] <bryceh_> Sarvatt, those errors are because it has to run as sudo
[21:56] <bryceh_> need to figure out gksudo or some such to request privs
[21:57] <bryceh_> Sarvatt, yeah sorted the disable bootloader graphics issue out yesterday too; that was kind of a hard one
[21:59] <bryceh_> Sarvatt, fixes pushed to bzr
[22:00] <Sarvatt_> bryceh_: cool, everything working now
[22:01] <bryceh_> I also got the packaging squared away.  Just need to test it on a virgin machine then I think I can upload.
[22:53] <bryceh_> ok, X blueprints filed
[22:53] <bryceh_> I made 3, one for stakeholders, one for discussing tools/processes/debugging/etc., one team huddle one
[22:55] <bryceh_> RAOF, ^ please review and see if I missed anything
[22:57] <tjaalton> subscribed to them
[22:59] <bryceh_> tjaalton, I'm looking forward to having so many X folks at one UDS :-)
[23:02] <tjaalton> bryceh_: yeah, there might even be <gasp> discussions :)
[23:02] <tjaalton> the previous planning session I attended took maybe 15min :)
[23:03] <bryceh_> yeah
[23:03] <Sarvatt_> hopefully they dont overlap private sessions I have to go to this time around :)
[23:03] <tjaalton> uds-j
[23:03] <bryceh_> tjaalton, Sarvatt_, yeah make sure you're subbed as essential to these so you don't get too cross-scheduled
[23:04] <bryceh_> tjaalton, Sarvatt, also if you guys think we need additional topics just shout.
[23:04] <bryceh_> although it seems from past uds's that 3 X sessions was about right
[23:06] <bryceh_> but now that there's more of us we could probably handle more if we see the need
[23:09] <tjaalton> sure
[23:10] <bryceh_> tjaalton, sarvatt: I'm kind of disappointed -intel is still proving quite buggy - http://tinyurl.com/3jrqgat
[23:11] <tjaalton> yeah..
[23:11] <bryceh_> I have been pumping bug reports upstream but the patches we've been getting have been more miss than hit lately
[23:12] <tjaalton> btw, was the apport-collect script broken for a while?
[23:12] <bryceh_> I'm kinda stuck on what else to do... any ideas?
[23:12] <bryceh_> tjaalton, yeah, a couple typos
[23:12] <tjaalton> ok, that's why ubuntu-bug reported ~empty bugs
[23:13] <bryceh_> sorry about that; have them run apport-collect <bug-nr> and that should fix them up
[23:15] <tjaalton> so are these intel bugs without the trigger-happy apport script?
[23:15] <tjaalton> ie. nothing we can turn off?-)
[23:15] <tjaalton> left
[23:15] <bryceh_> the GPU lockup ones are from the gpu lockup hook, and are mostly legit bugs
[23:15] <tjaalton> right
[23:16] <bryceh_> I think I got the script a lot less trigger-happy now, although the vesafb conflict or whatever that causes the false positives is still  there
[23:16] <bryceh_> bugs with ESR 0x00000010 are often that issue
[23:17] <tjaalton> ok, so unless we educate ourselves as gpu programmers there's not much to do than report them upstream and be nice to ickle :)
[23:18] <bryceh_> bug #2 is whatever causes freezes on 915/945, we get tons of those, and upstream tends to dupe them all together, point to a patch, and close as fixed.  Then we have to pull that fix in, and wait for another series of 915/945 bugs to get reported.  Rinse, lather, repeat.
[23:18] <ubot4`> bryceh_: Bug 2 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/2 is private
[23:18] <bryceh_> there's a third class which is arrandale specific
[23:19] <bryceh_> I had thought the new ia32-libs would resolve that since it seems to only affect x86_64, but we're still getting bugs reported
[23:19] <bryceh_> so like "[arrandale] GPU lockup (ESR: 0x00000001 IPEHR: 0x02000024)" is typical error codes on that
[23:20] <tjaalton> ah
[23:20] <bryceh_> fourth class is 965-specific, bug #686388
[23:20] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 686388 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Natty) (and 4 other projects) "[i965gm] GPU lockup - Invalid GTT entry during Display B Fetch (affects: 11) (dups: 8) (heat: 80)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686388
[23:20] <bryceh_> I think that covers the common classes for the gpu lockups
[23:20] <bryceh_> then there's a whole bunch of other random assorted bugs
[23:21] <bryceh_> oh, and various 865 lockups, but we just wontfix those
[23:22] <bryceh_> tjaalton, yeah I think you're right regarding needing gpu programming education ;-)
[23:23] <tjaalton> i'll probably buy a second hand fujitsu laptop (v5535) with sis 671 on it, and see how the damn driver works first :)
[23:23] <tjaalton> or, rather, doesn't
[23:24] <bryceh_> heh
[23:24] <bryceh_> well, like one thing I'm wondering is it'd be nice if when Intel posts a patch that "fixes" it, that we have some easy way to roll a kernel with that patch so reporter can easily verify that no, it doesn't
[23:25] <tjaalton> don't the kernel team do that, provide a ppa with a kernel that has a proposed patch
[23:25] <bryceh_> we have daily builds of intel-drm-next, but I think they're being stricter about putting untested patches into that
[23:25] <bryceh_> tjaalton, yeah they do, but I wonder if bugging them each time there is a patch needing packaged is the right solution?
[23:26] <bryceh_> and maybe it is; technically they are kernel bugs after all...
[23:26] <tjaalton> bryceh_: no, but can't we make use of the infrastructure directly?
[23:26] <Sarvatt_> tjaalton: do you have an account on tangerine? its so friggin fast for building kernels, I can walk ya through it tomorrow if you want
[23:26] <bryceh_> right, that's what I'm wondering
[23:27] <tjaalton> Sarvatt_: t.c.c?
[23:27] <Sarvatt_> tangerine.buildd
[23:27] <tjaalton> doesn't seem like I do
[23:28] <tjaalton> "Permission denied (publickey)."
[23:28] <Sarvatt_> gotta pivot in from chinstrap
[23:29] <tjaalton> that's where i tried from
[23:29] <Sarvatt_> you'd know if you had an account, lets see
[23:30] <Sarvatt_> its a 64 core 64gb ram machine in one of the datacenters for kernel building, takes <10 minutes for a kernel build
[23:30] <tjaalton> hah
[23:32] <tjaalton> hmm, at my previous job I built mesa in 8min on a shell server, which had 12cores + hyperthreading, and 96GB RAM
[23:32] <tjaalton> can't remember the time it took, but it was fast
[23:32] <tjaalton> could've been less than 8min
[23:36] <bryceh_> it would be totally awesome if we could go from a) patch posted in upstream bug tracker, to b) built kernel (or mesa) .debs for reporter to test, in under 10 min
[23:37] <bryceh_> heck, even 30 min would be nice
[23:37] <bryceh_> currently it seems the turnaround is >5 hrs for such a case
[23:38] <JanC> tjaalton: I once talked with somebody who builds a kernel in < 1 min at his job  ;)
[23:39] <tjaalton> yep, it should be doable. like create a branch, pull the fix, push the package to the builder (with some script, lp# as an argument) and then the bug would get the link
[23:39] <tjaalton> JanC: ok, that's quick :)
[23:39] <JanC> he works/worked at http://sara.nl/ though  :P
[23:40] <Sarvatt_> thats a really freaking good idea
[23:40] <tjaalton> i got a couple of friends at http://csc.fi
[23:40] <tjaalton> they have all the toys :,I
[23:44] <Sarvatt_> bryceh_: https://wiki.canonical.com/KernelTeam/BuildResources


[00:03] <cengique> Sarnold We got it by running microstack v 218 there is now a working control/compute node setup
[00:05] <sarnold> cengique: oh sweet :D now you get to work on whatever it was you were interested in doing in the first place, if you can still remember it :)
[00:22] <tds> TJ-: do you have v6 forwarding enabled?
[00:25] <TJ-> tds: yeah --- this is the weird part; all the usual bits are there, but the host doesn't do anything with the neighbour discovery broadcasts
[00:27] <TJ-> tds: just to be sure I'm not going loopey - proxy_ndp =1 on the 'upstream' interface (in my case wlp4s0) is the correct i/d to enable it on?
[00:27] <TJ-> this is the interface receiving the NS broadcasts
[00:27] <tds> yes
[00:27] <tds> you'll need to make sure you have the weird forwarding sysctl enabled there as well
[00:28] <TJ-> tds: yes: /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/wlp4s0/forwarding:1
[00:28] <TJ-> tds: could this need mc_forwarding too?
[00:28] <tds> i don't think so
[00:29] <tds> you're not throwing away the NSes with nft/ip6tables or similar?
[00:29] <TJ-> tds: no - nothing in ip6tables except 'ACCEPT' inc. policies on the chains
[00:33] <TJ-> tds: in case it gives a clue - I noticed the entry in the proxy table is removed by something a while after I add it (maybe 5-10 minutes) - maybe that is normal
[00:40] <tds> TJ-: might be interesting to try testing inside the machine, or something like that
[00:40] <tds> eg bring up a veth pair between that and another netns, and try proxy ndp over that
[00:40] <TJ-> tds: hmmm, good idea
[00:41] <tds> (fwiw, testing on a 20.04 box here, proxy ndp works ok between two netnses)
[01:07] <TJ-> tds: hmmm, maybe I'm setting it up incorrectly. Just tried creating 'test1' adding global IPv6 addresses in a /64 from our prefix. Can ping in and out host<>netns (as with the libvirt guest) but remote (gateway router) NS's not getting a reply from my laptop
[01:08] <tds> so what if you set the host to proxy ndp an extra address in that /64, does test1 get replies to NSes?
[01:09] <TJ-> oh hang on, I forgot on this one to add a specific proxy-ed address
[01:13] <TJ-> tds: ahhh, got it for the netns. Had to add the proxy address and recall to re-add the host's default route to the gateway
[01:16] <TJ-> tds: and now it works!!
[01:17] <TJ-> tds: I think I was being messed about by doing this with NetworkManager managing the wlp4s0 interface and removing settings behind my back, such as the ipv6 default route
[05:37] <benl90> Hello, I need some help. I use netplan on 18.04.5 and for about 4 month no problem with resolving the DNS, but suddenly yesterday the same config won't run and nslookup won't work, cause massive queue of email, for now I only can solve domain via overwriting /etc/resolve.conf which always change everytime, I never encounter this and this's really strange. any help is appriciated. Thanks
[06:24] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:25] <lordievader> benl90: What issues are you seeing exactly?
[06:25] <lordievader> Timeouts, actual errors, something else?
[11:30] <benl90> lordievader, nah It's timeout. But somewhat strange using systemd/resolve.conf it works,using netplan it don't
[11:31] <lordievader> Is netplan writing different resolvers to /etc/resolv.conf?
[11:41] <mgedmin> netplan is not touching /etc/resolv.conf; netplan generates configuration files either for NetworkManager or for systemd-networkd
[13:35] <benl90> mgedmin, nah That's what I know, but when I sudo systemd-resolve --status it doesn't have any DNS record. It's strange. But if I put "DNS=<IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>" at /etc/systemd/resolve.conf it works.
[14:17] <lordievader> benl90: What are the contents of `/etc/resolv.conf` when you get the timeouts?
[14:30] <robertparkerx> how can I install webp ?
[15:09] <robertparkerx> nevermind
[15:09] <robertparkerx> apt-get install webp
[15:09] <robertparkerx> ty
[22:11] <BC64> Is this an ok place to ask questions about microk8s, MaaS, Juju, etc?
[22:13] <powersj> BC64, there are separate channels for maas and juju, but you might get what you are looking for here
[22:17] <BC64> I'm trying to decide between microk8s and k3s for use in a small production cluster. I want to deploy Rancher on this cluster to deploy Kubernetes on a separate OpenStack cluster deployed using MaaS and Juju.
[22:18] <BC64> As I typed that, I'm trying to figure out why I wouldn't just use Juju to deploy the Kubernetes cluster on OpenStack...
[22:19] <BC64> I really like Rancher's GUI for the kube-illiterate


[01:16] <_stink__> did it go badly?
[05:00] <jrwren> hehe, it canceled adn i took it as a sign.
[13:45] <cmaloney> I might run it in a VM


[02:02] <netameta> how do i add more extensions to php on ubuntu - specifically sqlsrv
[06:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:17] <rbasak> smoser: are you going to take care of the bcache-tools MIR?
[08:36] <rbasak> frediz: around?
[13:46] <Demon_Jester> Hey guys, if someone can help me out, I am trying to install ubuntu server on hp media center pc (old one) and it keeps hanging at
[13:46] <Demon_Jester> "retrieving grub-mount-udeb"
[14:14] <smoser> rbasak, filed. http://pad.lv/1429857
[14:20] <rbasak> smoser: thank kyou!
[14:47] <devster31> hi, I got the message that some packages need upgrading, how can I know if any of them require server reboot before upgrading?
[14:50] <rbasak> jamespage: doko is asking why we haven't updated to golang 1.4 in Vivid?
[14:50] <rbasak> I think you had a reason!
[14:50] <jamespage> rbasak, other than no time todo it
[14:50] <jamespage> no reason
[14:50] <jamespage> rbasak, oh wait - docker.io 1.3.3 has some 1.4 problems
[14:51] <jamespage> we'd need to update to 1.4.x or 1.5.x - I'm trying to find time to help tianon do that in Debian (experimental)
[14:51] <rbasak> OK, thanks
[14:51] <jamespage> but that appears to be aluding me right now
[15:35] <yogg> Hi
[15:35] <yogg> I have a apt-get repo over apache. Now I wan't to use https with an self signed certificate. I tired this: http://pastebin.com/E1vDn8kk      but it does not work :(  (ubuntu 12.04 Server)
[15:59] <alchemistswl> Hallo there. I have a problem regarding permissions and apache2. I set the www-data folder to /mnt/hdd/httpd and added myself to the www-data group. Everytime I upload a picture from my user, it's permission denied. I have set permissions for read/write too, didn't help much. Tried this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/19898/whats-the-simplest-way-to-edit-and-add-files-to-var-www Every help appreciated.
[16:06] <MoPac> Howdy. I'm having what I think is a me-being-stupid problem with installing headless java runtime environments. I'm installing a .deb package (ciphermail) that depends on java6-runtime. Which is a virtual package provided by openjdk-[6][7]-jre or default-jre. I have the headless versions of those installed, but the unmet dependency is still showing up.
[16:06] <MoPac> This program surely isn't meant to be requiring a whole X11 environment, so I know I must be going wrong in trying to install the non-headless versions...
[17:08] <squisher> rbasak, ping -- I forgot to ask when you're usually on, but I guess I'll find out :)
[17:20] <MoPac> Alternate question: if I install all of the X11 windowing and audio components that the non-headless java runtime depends on, is there necessarily any performance hit to doing that, or do the packages just take up space on the drive? This is a cloud-hosted VPS, so it wouldn't generally be connected to a display or sound card...
[17:45] <squisher> MoPac, there's no performance hit unless you are actually running some of that stuff
[17:45] <MoPac> squisher: cool; thanks
[17:51] <rbasak> squisher: o/
[17:51] <squisher> MoPac, btw, the correct solution to your problem is of course to ask the provider of the deb to actually list correct dependencies
[17:51] <rbasak> squisher: 9-6 In EUrope/London normally
[17:52] <squisher> rbasak, I was guessing as much :) I'm in UTC-6, so I just have to remember to check in early in the day
[17:52] <rbasak> squisher: so I favour git-buildpackage, unless you want to use git-dpm
[17:52] <squisher> +1 for gbp, that's what I was using before too
[17:53] <rbasak> squisher: so I think the upstream branch should probably be identical to the agreed upstream VCS
[17:53] <rbasak> The master branch would have just the debian packaging delta, and we should start off with that being the same as what is in unstable.
[17:53] <rbasak> I don't mind if the master branch misses my history to get there (currently in my Github), but we could have that in.
[17:54] <rbasak> squisher: how's your git-fu to arrange that? Or I can do it if you like?
[17:54] <squisher> well, why not? I don't think there's much extra effort required to do that if we're already importing upstream vcs
[17:55] <rbasak> I'm not sure what other maintainers do with the pristine upstream tarball with this arrangement though.
[17:55] <squisher> my git foo is a good medium ;-) this one seems rather straight forward
[17:55] <rbasak> I favour using pristine-tar, but I don't know where to get that tar from.
[17:55] <rbasak> OK - I'll leave it to you then? Feel free to force push when you're ready.
[17:55] <squisher> yeah, pristine tar doesn't make much sense, but I think I had a branch for it anyway -- but I don't remember right now how I created the tarball
[17:56] <squisher> seems kinda superflous though, or should we keep doing pristine-tar when there is no official tarball?
[17:56] <rbasak> The reason I'd like it is that I think we should keep a record of what orig.tar.gz we did upload in a pristine-tar branch, even if upstream doesn't publish it.
[17:56] <squisher> ok, sure
[17:57] <squisher> so I'd guess that the pristine-tar branch then doesn't need an update even, but I'll double check
[17:57] <rbasak> Yes that sounds right
[17:58] <squisher> great. Do you know how that "description" thing works?
[17:58] <squisher> just for the anon-git web listing
[18:02] <rbasak> squisher: https://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/gitweb.html suggests "git config gitweb.description" or a flat file with the contents. Both of which I think maybe need jamespage to amend for us.
[18:03] <squisher> rbasak, not a high prio of course but I think it'd be nice to have
[18:03] <squisher> let's get the initial layout done first, then request that
[18:04] <rbasak> OK
[18:06] <squisher> rbasak, I'll try to get that stuff done tonight and will ping you again afterwards
[18:06] <rbasak> Thanks!
[19:48] <Mik3Silv3r> hi
[19:48] <Mik3Silv3r> how you are?
[19:49] <Mik3Silv3r> i need help with samba shares... any?
[19:50] <Mik3Silv3r> i need to define a block access a subfolder of a share, the share is access for all, but i need that one user not access
[19:51] <Mik3Silv3r> i need to define a block access a subfolder of a share, the share is access for all, but i need that one user not access it
[19:59] <haithar> re
[20:00] <haithar> Does anyone have a hint whether Ubuntu 10 LTS will actually end in beginning of April or end of April?
[20:00] <haithar> unfortunately this matters to us (don't ask..;))
[20:01] <mdeslaur> haithar: april 29th 2015
[20:01] <haithar> mdeslaur: a load off my mind, thank you kind sir! :)
[20:02] <mdeslaur> haithar: yw
[20:13] <haithar> Also, I don't understand the full bugfix lifecycle, can someone tell me if this is now ready to be coming with a Tahr upgrade or needs more work/support? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid3/+bug/1336742
[20:38] <pmatulis> haithar: nothing has been done for 14.04 and it's not clear if anything will
[20:45] <haithar> pmatulis: thanks! About understanding "sponsorship" in this context, do you think comments 16 and 18 suggest that I can contact him and offer money to Oleg / his favourite charity /... to keep pushing it so it gets into trusty?
[21:09] <pmatulis> haithar: ubuntu development is not a free-for-all.  changes are backported according to certain guidelines.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[21:12] <Robert_Labrie> I'm on LTS, and I don't need to be, how can I get on vivid? Is it just updating my sources.list or is there some ubuntu way of doing it right?
[21:14] <shauno> you probably need to change for 'lts' to 'normal' in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades  and then run do-release-upgrade
[21:14] <shauno> (but personally I'd stick on lts unles you have a good reason not to, particularly on -server)
[21:15] <Robert_Labrie> shauno thanks! It's a sandbox, when I downloaded the ISO I just grabbed the first one it said
[21:17] <Robert_Labrie> I use server so it doesn't harangue me to install the desktop on what's going to be a headless VM that I SSH/CIFS into
[21:17] <Robert_Labrie> but dude, thanks so much for the tip
[21:23] <aboSamoor> hi, I am getting a dependency error while installing libffi-dev (http://paste.ubuntu.com/10570803/) I am using ubuntu 14.04 server
[21:30] <rharper> rbasak: smoser: either of you played with overlayfs in vivid yet?  when I mount something up it complains that the merged mount point isn't in fstab;  if I just put an entry with the mount point in there, it all works fine;  overlayfs (probably the older version in trusty) doesn't ask for an entry in fstab
[21:32] <rbasak> rharper: I've not tried it directly no. Does mount not put it in the fstab when you mount with it?
[21:32] <rbasak> Oh, hold on. I'm thinking mtab.
[21:33] <syeekick> about to install ubuntu server tommorow on my xeon machine. I was wondering what apps i should use to stream to a standalone smart tv?
[21:35] <squisher> syeekick, I haven't used it very extensive, but I think minidlna may be worth looking at
[21:37] <rharper> rbasak: it seems not;  also I tried to do an ubuntu-bug on vivid, but it says my kernel isn't supported (which seems odd to me, but I'm probably missing something here)
[21:41] <sarnold> aboSamoor: apt-get update first?
[21:44] <aboSamoor> sarnold: it did not fix the problem, still unmet dependency!
[21:48] <sarnold> aboSamoor: try dpkg --get-selections | grep -v install
[21:53] <rharper> rbasak: I think I've been putting an error the mount command, and it just spits that error out;  I've got something working now (sudo mount -t overlay overlay -olower=X,upper=Y,workdir=Z /path/to/merged   -- that's working.  so nm then
[21:58] <aboSamoor> sarnold: the list is empty
[21:58] <sarnold> aboSamoor: dang, sorry, no more obvious ideas from me :(
[22:02] <teward> sarnold: stupid question but what do you know about bind DNS servers?
[22:03] <teward> sarnold: any idea if i can have the master being at my network, the 'slaves' all slaving from my 'master', and then have my domains' NS records point at the slaves?
[22:04] <sarnold> teward: not much about bind itself, but that setup shuold work fine, so long as the slaves are in glue
[22:13] <alchemistswl> Since nobody yet could help me I ask here, kinda OT but here we go: I have a problem regarding permissions and apache2. I set the www-data folder to /mnt/hdd/httpd and added myself to the www-data group. Everytime I upload a picture from my user, it's permission denied. I have set permissions for read/write too, didn't help much. Tried this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/19898/whats-the-simplest-way-to-edit-and-add-files-to-va
[22:31] <smoser> rharper, i guess based on no other information ...
[22:31] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/+bug/1430025
[23:46] <TJ-> Got an issue with apache 2.2 on Linux, using mod_dav_fs. When PUTing a file that ends ".pdf" the server issues a "403 Forbidden", but simply changing the file extension solves it. What should I be looking at in the server configuration that would affect this? I've already grep-ed for 'pdf' and can only find the mime-type