[01:53] <pepee> hmm, yeah, the odd firefox bug is a kwin thing... the workaround is to run "kwin --replace"
[01:54] <pepee> err, s/firefox/windows freezing/
[05:36] <viewer|98211> Is there a way to run Unity alongside KDE? I have installed KDE and I am wondering if I can install unity so I can switch back and forth between the two.
[05:41] <valorie> pfff, stick around if you want answers!
[06:05] <ffmamk> hello is there a channel for questions concerning the tv series "person of interest"?  i want to know who tailored harold's suits
[06:08] <valorie> !alis | ffmamk
[06:08] <ffmamk> ty valorie <3
[06:09] <valorie> personally I would ask in the imdb forums
[06:09] <valorie> you aren't likely to get much interest in technical irc channels!
[06:11] <ffmamk> so what kind of people are usually hanging around here? i mean besides hackers and vendors for illegal stuff hahahah
[06:14] <valorie> this is the quiet time, between the Americas and Europe
[06:15] <valorie> mostly kubuntu people, willing to help others
[06:15] <valorie> illegal anything is immediately removed
[06:16] <ffmamk> im in europe right now
[06:17] <ffmamk> i like #kubuntu, you guys helped me a lot getting started
[06:18] <valorie> that's why we're here
[06:18] <valorie> we also have a chat channel: #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:19] <valorie> which is where we should move this unless you need support using kubuntu
[06:22] <ffmamk> alright, one more question. is there a list of irc code? i just saw some +R or +i
[06:24] <valorie> those are channel flags
[06:24] <valorie> I think that freenode has some docs
[06:25] <valorie> read the motd on your channel tab
[06:25] <valorie> motd=message of the day
[06:41] <hateball> something something broken multimonitor
[06:42] <valorie> in what version of kubuntu, hateball?
[06:43] <hateball> valorie: 16.04 + backports
[06:43] <hateball> I saw 5.8 was in landing now
[06:43] <hateball> Things have behaved for like 2 weeks, but this mornings boot had me at 1 monitor again and every panel being all messed up. Ugh.
[06:44] <valorie> :(
[06:44] <valorie> dangit
[06:44] <valorie> well, backports doesn't have magic in it
[06:44] <valorie> backports-landing might
[06:45] <valorie> but my test on 16.04 was not successful
[06:45] <valorie> so I would only advise it on sacrificable kit
[06:45] <valorie> and make sure you have ppa-purge installed
[06:46] <valorie> !ppapurge
[06:46] <hateball> Yeah this is my work machine, so I'll make do with the current state of brokenness rather than try landing-brokenness :p
[06:47] <valorie> we do need more testers though
[06:47] <valorie> but not work machines
[06:48] <valorie> :-)
[06:49] <hateball> Yeah, I only have 1 monitor at home tho so it's hard to test
[07:35] <amichair> do kde releases still get backported? e.g. plasma 5.8 in kubuntu 16.10?
[07:47] <hateball> amichair: https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-and-linux-mint-doing-plasma-5-8-testing/
[07:54] <amichair> hateball: thanks
[07:55] <amichair> hateball: I didn't know about backports-landing, is that a new thing?
[07:56] <amichair> how is it different than backports ppa?
[07:57] <amichair> when is it planned to go into backports, if at all?
[07:57] <hateball> amichair: I think that is known by those in #kubuntu-devel
[07:58] <amichair> hateball: ok, thanks
[11:11] <starsailor> hey
[11:11] <Jollamies-> hi
[11:12] <starsailor> I am new sory I dont know rulles
[11:13] <Jollamies-> you're welcome
[11:58] <user|8165> for update what i do
[11:59] <user|8165> ubunto 10.04 LTS
[12:00] <hateball> !eolupgrade | user|8165
[12:01] <user|8165> Thanks you for all
[12:01] <user|8165> i m testing
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:45] <kante> hallo, wie heißt der offtopic kanal?
[15:50] <yofel> kante: #kubuntu-offtopic (englisch), #ubuntu-de-offtopic (deutsch)
[16:15] <Guest3399> hello
[18:12] <inna> ю
[18:46] <piotr> Hi, I'm looking for XFCE replacement of genmon plugin (http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-genmon-plugin) in KDE Plasma, any suggestions?
[19:22] <fmhans> good $daytime
[19:23] <fmhans> i have a weird problem with using external screens on an intel HD5300. nothing above 1920x1080 in interlaced(!) mode results in any output
[20:06] <efeciftci> Hi, would it be possible if Plasma 5.8 in xenial backports-landing ppa was shipped with Qt 5.6.2 instead of 5.6.1? Qt 5.6.1 has a bug in QTimeZone component that affects Plasma desktop and which seems to be fixed in 5.6.2 ( https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-53071 ). Although it is possible to work around this bug by manually modifying qml files of plasma lockscreen and digital clock, it is not suitable solution for all timezones.


[12:30] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +306 cases (now 1.6 million), +7 deaths (now 27841), +19951 tests (now 10.3 million) since 21 hours ago


[12:21] <mup> Bug #1881892 opened: CPU usage bar not shown in UI for KVMs <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881892>
[13:15] <mup> Bug #1881901 opened: Functional VLAN tagged bonding interfaces are shown as disconnected   <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881901>
[13:27] <mup> Bug #1881901 changed: Functional VLAN tagged bonding interfaces are shown as disconnected   <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881901>
[13:33] <mup> Bug #1881901 opened: Functional VLAN tagged bonding interfaces are shown as disconnected   <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881901>
[14:36] <mup> Bug #1881916 opened: [feature] Additional commissioning script parameters <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881916>
[14:36] <mup> Bug #1881919 opened: [feature] Manually run commissioning scripts <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881919>
[14:36] <mup> Bug #1881922 opened: [feature] Allow API to use AND and OR boolean operators <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881922>
[18:43] <mup> Bug #1881948 opened: IPv6 address for power control fails <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881948>
[19:01] <mup> Bug #1881952 opened: Adding KVM host using LXD fails on IPv6 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881952>
[19:10] <mup> Bug #1881954 opened: UI uses absolute URLs for machine entries (2.8) <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881954>
[23:07] <mup> Bug #1881977 opened: Ubuntu 14.04 failing to deploy on UEFI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881977>
[23:13] <mup> Bug #1881977 changed: Ubuntu 14.04 failing to deploy on UEFI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881977>
[23:16] <mup> Bug #1881977 opened: Ubuntu 14.04 failing to deploy on UEFI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881977>


[00:06] <Kamilion> cfoch: this advice may or may not help after what you mentioned about your father changing PCs; but I'd suggest picking up a used i5 off ebay or something, like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Compaq-Elite-8300-SFF-PC-Core-i5-3470-3-20GHz-8GB-RAM-500GB-HDD-Win10Pro/113811367268
[00:07] <cfoch> bot ^ ?
[00:07] <Kamilion> No. I'm human.
[00:07] <wxl> sounds like something a bot would say
[00:07] <cfoch> Yeah haha
[00:07] <Kamilion> Just saying, $90 can get you a very reasonable system instead of sticking with a Pentium 4 room-heater.
[00:07] <wxl> hahahahah i love that description
[00:08] <lynorian> that is why I stopped testing on my desktop pentium IVs
[00:08] <Kamilion> it's hard to justify keeping something as old as a P4 alive when used quadcores go for less than the price of a brand new copy of a retail microsoft OS
[00:09] <Kamilion> there was a $75 one without windows, but it only had 4GB of ram... *grin*
[00:10] <cfoch> Will the alternate Lubuntu 18.04 image fit in a CD? As I see in Wikipedia max size of a CD is 737.280 MB and the image size is 749.7 MB
[00:10] <Kamilion> but it's getting to be about the time where 32bit-only systems should be praised for their service and honorably retired.
[00:11] <Kamilion> yes, use an 80 minute blank CD
[00:11] <Kamilion> versus the 74 minute blank cd. I havn't seen a lot of those around anymore; generally only old audio cd players need them
[00:13] <Kamilion> and there's a couple 86 minute discs that support 800MB out there from sony
[00:14] <Kamilion> in general though, the image will be fine as long as it's written in disc-at-once mode.
[00:15] <Kamilion> the alternative is writing the image onto a 1GB or larger USB stick, although at this point I'm having trouble finding stock under 16GB sticks. My local frys doesn't seem to carry 8GBs at all anymore.
[00:16] <Kamilion> and the 16GBs are under $10
 although some pentium IVs won't boot from USB
 I know dell dimension 3000 won't and those were quite common
[00:17] <Kamilion> IIRC it was the athlon/pentium2/3 era that had the most issues with booting from USB2.0 devices
[00:18] <cfoch> Brasero tells it does not fit in a CD
[00:18] <cfoch> https://i.imgur.com/t72furr.png
[00:18] <Kamilion> is it a 74minute disc?
[00:18] <cfoch> it's a PRINCO 80 min disc
[00:18] <Kamilion> huh...
[00:19] <Kamilion> there should be a smaller netinstall iso
[00:19] <cfoch> could you give the link?
[00:19] <cfoch> please :)
[00:19] <Kamilion> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[00:20] <Kamilion> that will fetch everything over the network
[00:22] <Kamilion> also, I should point out, hybrid-iso with a MBR has one of the highest chances of working on older USB1.1 boards, though sometimes one would have to locate and enable an IDE superfloppy compatiblity option
[00:22] <Kamilion> that was one of the ways around those grumpy dells
[00:23] <cfoch> how am I supposed to use that? will it load a list of available distros on the network and download and install the one I select "on demand"?
[00:23] <Kamilion> yeah.
[00:23] <Kamilion> you'll get a 'tasksel list'
[00:23] <Kamilion> which will show lxde / Lubuntu
[00:23] <cfoch> and by network do you mean the Internet or a local network?
[00:23] <Kamilion> internet
[00:24] <Kamilion> although if you had a second computer, you could certainly spend time setting up a local network repository. No real benefit to it though.
[00:25] <Kamilion> I'm on a local network with hundreds of systems; so for me; it makes more sense. (and for that, I use apt-squid-proxy and apt-squid-proxy-client )
[00:27] <Kamilion> I do have a nice 32GB USB3.0 stick with a persistant install of lubuntu on it, that I bring with me everywhere.
[00:27] <Kamilion> https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-32GB-Traveler-DT50/dp/B01JHE505Y
[00:28] <Kamilion> it's kinda chunky, but it never gets hot and I can't really complain for $6
[00:34] <cfoch> just to confirm, although I would think that it is for 32 bits because of "installer-i386" , http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso is for 32 bits right?
[00:34] <Kamilion> yes
[00:35] <Kamilion> as intel's 64bit platform itanium failed, they inherited AMD's 64bit platform, so http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso applies to any modern 64bit PC.
[00:36] <Kamilion> that includes the entire intel Core line
[00:39] <Kamilion> I should also mention, Debian Buster 10.0 just released; which still supports the 32bit pentium 4 platform. I've heard it may be dropped in the 11.0 release; but that's pretty far off in... 2021? something like that.
[00:40] <Kamilion> debian and ubuntu are sibling distros; so it's another option you may consider
[00:41] <Kamilion> and they do have a 32bit lxqt build available, which I've been meaning to try since hearing of the release last weekend
[00:43] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/DSTZI/3853dd548c.png  The 64bit build has been quite nice so far
[00:45] <Kamilion> I could even go so far to say "It still feels like lubuntu to me", after trying and failing to use debian's own lxde packages in 8.x and 9.x (yick, no antialiased fonts!)
[00:45] <cfoch> awesome, the mini image does not recognize the keyboard!
[00:46] <Kamilion> USB keyboard? try unplugging and plugging it back in.
[00:46] <Kamilion> if it's the round one; I dunno what to say
[00:46] <Kamilion> but unplugging it won't help (if it's the round PS/2 style)
[00:47] <cfoch> yes,USB
[00:47] <cfoch> not working
[00:47] <wxl> try different ports?
[00:47] <Kamilion> If it's plugged into a hub or monitor, try plugging it directly into the computer.
[00:47] <wxl> the necessary drivers should be right there in the kernel
[00:48] <cfoch> yes, will try in the worst case with another keyboard I guess
[00:48] <wxl> i'd try different ports first
[00:48] <Kamilion> he could have the dreaded Via USB chip of dread... I hated those things. Never could get them to work right until the PCIExpress era.
[00:49] <Kamilion> and those were one of the biggest reasons why USB boot failed to work in a lot of machines... *grumbles*
[00:50] <Kamilion> I think it was the later Pentium 4 machines that implimented UHCI in the south bridge, and finally brought an end to the UHCI/OHCI struggle
[00:51] <Kamilion> (with USB2.0 being represented by EHCI universally across all controllers, and USB3.0 being represented by XHCI universally across all controllers, chasing after how AHCI destroyed the IDE/SATA aftermarket controllers)
[00:53] <cfoch> trying with a PS2 keyboard and works :)
[00:53] <cfoch> now I wonder if my USB mouse will work
[00:54] <wxl> PS/2 is super reliable. just not hot-swapable.
[00:57] <Kamilion> yeah, i was just thinking outside, and came back in to mention one of those USB to PS/2 purple or green dongles might help if the system still has a PS/2 port available.
[00:57] <cfoch> Do I just enter "Install"?
[00:58] <Kamilion> yeah
[00:58] <cfoch> it blocks for a while... not sure if because trying to fetch available distros or why
[00:58] <Kamilion> it'll first prompt you for language, keyboard, then network setup, grab the packages it needs to handle partitioning and stuff, install the base system, then prompt you for tasks (like lubuntu)
[00:59] <Kamilion> followed by the bootloader install, then a reboot prompt.
[00:59] <Kamilion> off the top of my head
[01:07] <cfoch> it is asking me to create a new user before asking me to select among different distros
[01:07] <Kamilion> ah yeah, forgot about that
[01:07] <Kamilion> part of the base system install.
[01:07] <Kamilion> be a bit of time before you get to the tasksel screen, lemme see if I can locate a screenshot to make you more comfortable.
[01:09] <Kamilion> https://i.stack.imgur.com/Nu44s.jpg
[01:10] <cfoch> oh i see
[01:10] <Kamilion> scroll down to Lubuntu Desktop and hit space, then tab to move to the Continue button.
[01:11] <Kamilion> I generally also select Basic Ubuntu Server and OpenSSH Server, but I ignore all the others.
[01:11] <Kamilion> https://askubuntu.com/questions/153265/what-does-the-basic-ubuntu-server-package-contain-in-software-selection-during
[01:11] <Kamilion> screenshot's from there.
[01:11] <cfoch> it's a computer for an accountant/layer... I do not think he will need Ubuntu Server or OpenSSH
[01:12] <Kamilion> probably not, and anything that IS needed from the list from the server packages, will be installed automatically on demand
[01:12] <Kamilion> OpenSSH will only be needed if you need to remotely manage the system securely from another physical location.
[01:13] <Kamilion> otherwise, you'll probably want the 'unattended-updates' package set to automatically apply security updates.
[01:14] <Kamilion> if I recall correctly, you should get a prompt about that late in the install process.
[01:15] <cfoch> would 15 GB be enough for / ? Only office stuff is intended to be used
[01:16] <Kamilion> yes
[01:16] <Kamilion> my lubuntu installations generally do not exceed 5GB in system data
[01:17] <Kamilion> since this is an older pentium 4, I'm assuming it has around 2GB of ram; there should be no reason to exceed a swap size of 4GB for office applications and light web browsing.
[01:19] <wxl> there *SHOULD* be lubuntu-desktop and lubuntu-core or something like that
[01:21] <Kamilion> if this is a SATA disk below 80GB, there's a good chance that it's nearing the end of it's service life. Once the system's installed, open the disks control panel and check it's SMART data for any red-colored text.
[01:21] <Kamilion> hopefully it should report "Disk is OK."
[01:22] <Kamilion> it's lasted this long; so in theory it'll keep on keeping on if it doesn't overtemperature
[01:23] <Kamilion> but since it's a buisness machine, a backup strategy is highly recommended. And it's not a backup unless it's been successfully restored from -- it's just a mere copy, if it's never seen a restore. ;)
[01:54] <cfoch> hey, how do I know if http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso will install 18.04LTS ?
[01:56] <Kamilion> as it's part of the bionic-updates stream.
 is trojita support calendar also?
 @ctisme [is trojita support calendar also?], nope
 noted
[03:42] <cfoch> well, thanks, folks
[03:42] <cfoch> Lubuntu installed :-)
 is it normal that my bash terminal doesn't log the history command...
 it since 3 weeks ago
[04:39] <wxl> so `history` produces nothing?
 $ history                                                                   │ …     1  sudo apt install -y speedcrunch                                             │ …     2  at                                                                          │ …     3  at 11:46
[04:41] <wxl> dude don't be pasting stuff in here
[04:41] <wxl> you can use pastebinit or something
 then if i press history
 none
[04:41] <wxl> so your answer is "that is correct?"
 not correct
[04:43] <wxl> so `history` DOES do something?
 it only log when the session running but after we create new session the history is gone
[04:45] <wxl> so it does work
[04:45] <wxl> how do you "create a new session?"
[15:44] <heysoundude> Hello all - can someone tell me what I should see when I run dpkg -l | grep linux
[15:45] <heysoundude> mine is quite lengthy and I'm wondering if a little cleanup might be in order to streamline things
[15:46] <apt-ghetto> `sudo apt autoremove` or ` sudo apt autoremove --purge`
[16:07] <mindsout> Hi, does Lubuntu have a feature that lets you check for updates like in Windows 10 or is it automatic?
[16:11] <apt-ghetto> mindsout: I am using always the terminal: `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`
[16:13] <apt-ghetto> And, as far as I know, there is an automatic daily check for updates
[16:14] <mindsout> Thanks a lot!
 depends on the version
 actually in 18.10 and 19.04 there isn't an app at this moment
 But we're working on it.
[16:34] <wxl> apt-ghetto: fyi that won't automatically install all updates. see the unattended-upgrades package
[16:35] <apt-ghetto> It will install only the security updates?
[16:36] <wxl> yuuup
[16:36] <heysoundude> I have linux-images that go all the way back to 4.10.0-19
[16:37] <wxl> wow that's quite a collection. congratulations!
[16:37] <wxl> unfortunately i don't think kernels are like pokemon
[16:38] <heysoundude> pokemon?
[16:38] <heysoundude> I don't know that game
[16:39] <wxl> there's a "catch them all" phrase that goes with it
[16:39] <heysoundude> so you're saying leave them be
[16:39] <apt-ghetto> heysoundude: You need help? If yes => `dpkg -l 'linux-[ghi]*' | pastebinit`
[16:39] <wxl> no, i'm saying get rid of them
[16:40] <heysoundude> how far back?
[16:40] <heysoundude> i figure the 4.10 through 4.13 stuff
[16:40] <wxl> you really only need the one you're using
[16:41] <wxl> but if you want to be safe, keep the one before
[16:41] <heysoundude> i Like safe :)
[16:41] <heysoundude> ...that's a lot of typing....
[16:42] <heysoundude> same thing for the -extras ?
[16:44] <mindsout> Hi, what's the point of "desktop 1-4"? Is it for multitasking?
[16:44] <lynorian> mindsout: yes
[16:44] <wxl> yep
[16:46] <heysoundude> was that yep for me, wxl?
[16:46] <wxl> both actually
[16:47] <heysoundude> awesome thanks
[16:50] <heysoundude> the first column when I dpkg -l | grep linux has a 2 letter code:  ii, rc and ri - what do they mean?
[16:50] <heysoundude> which manpage can i look that up on?  grep or dpkg?
[16:50] <wxl> dpkg
[16:51] <wxl> there's two indications: package state and package selection state
[16:51] <wxl> so ii means it's installed and was selected for installation
[16:52] <wxl> oh there's actually three things there i guess
[16:52] <wxl> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[16:52] <wxl> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[16:52] <wxl> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[16:52] <wxl> it's just that the third one is usually none
[16:57] <heysoundude> sudo apt-get remove linux-image-4.10.0-whatever returned a package not installed...it's tagged with rc, but why is it still listed?
[16:59] <wxl> rc = selected for Removal, but Conf-files are still lingering about
[17:02] <heysoundude> ah!  so I need to hunt those down.  (this is turning into a bunch of work - will it lead to better performance or just a cleaner hard drive?)
[17:03] <wxl> yes
[17:03] <heysoundude> both then...oh boy.  maybe a clean install would be in my best interest?
[17:03] <apt-ghetto> `dpkg -l 'linux-[ihs]*' | sed '/^ii/!d;/'"$(uname -r | sed "s/\([-0-9]*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/")"'/d;s/^[^ ]* [^ ]* \([^ ]*\).*/\1/;/[0-9]/!d' | tee old_kernels.txt`
[17:04] <apt-ghetto> Should give you a text file with your kernel
[17:05] <apt-ghetto> Check the list and if it contains only kernel you want to remove, then `cat old_kernels.txt | xargs sudo apt purge`
[17:06] <heysoundude> i want the garbage gone, not another system text file, apt-ghetto.  that'll do what I want?
[17:06] <heysoundude> sorry, we were typing at the same time
[17:08] <heysoundude> just to confirm, I need to make a txt file of the unused stuff, and then point to it to get rid of them - right?
[17:08] <apt-ghetto> You can copy&paste the first, long and unreadable command
[17:08] <apt-ghetto> After executing it, you have a new text file
[17:08] <apt-ghetto> You can edit this file with your favourite text editor
[17:09] <apt-ghetto> If the file contains only older kernel, then you can execute the second step: purging them
[17:10] <heysoundude> thank you...wish me luck
[17:10] <apt-ghetto> To check, which is your currently running kernel: `uname -r`
[17:11] <Guest65705> Hi, what type of partitions do you recommend to create? for a solid state disk of 128 GB (MBR or GPT)
[17:11] <wxl> if you want to be pedantic, mbr/gpt don't describe partitions
[17:11] <apt-ghetto> Guest65705: You plan to have a dual boot with Windows?
[17:12] <Guest65705> no, only linux
[17:12] <heysoundude> uname says I'm running 4.15.0-54-generic, the long dpkg command says -4.15.0-52-generic
[17:13] <heysoundude> seems theres not much to clean up
[17:13] <apt-ghetto> Guest65705: Then, I recommend GPT with UEFI
[17:14] <apt-ghetto> heyson
[17:14] <apt-ghetto> heysoundude: Then you have only some config files left
[17:15] <Guest65705> apt-ghetto: I'm not sure if my computer brings UEFI, let me see, thank you very much for your recommendation
[17:15] <heysoundude> the cat command auto-aborted
[17:17] <apt-ghetto> heysoundude: With an error message?
[17:20] <apt-ghetto> Guest65705: If you have a real BIOS (< 2010), then I recommend you MBR, (GPT is part of the UEFI standard)
[17:25] <heysoundude> nope, it simply says Abort at "do you want to continue Y/n"
[17:26] <heysoundude> it said it needed to install something, as well as some suggested packages, then said it would remove some and a new package would be installed....8k of archives required to free 261 MB of space, but it auto-aborted
[17:27] <Guest65705> ok thanks
[17:27] <heysoundude> cat old_kernels.txt | xargs sudo apt purge
[17:27] <heysoundude> Reading package lists... Done
[17:27] <heysoundude> Building dependency tree
[17:27] <heysoundude> Reading state information... Done
[17:27] <heysoundude> The following additional packages will be installed:
[17:27] <heysoundude>   linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-52-generic
[17:27] <heysoundude> Suggested packages:
[17:30] <heysoundude> I guess I can't copy/paste what happened here for you to see
[17:30] <apt-ghetto> !paste | heysoundude
[17:31] <heysoundude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s8fnBZCcm3/
[17:31] <apt-ghetto> If you have only two kernel installed, let them be and execute from time to time: `sudo apt autoremove --purge` which should remove unused packages and older kernel
[17:32] <heysoundude> that's what seems to be the case.  thank you, I'll do that
[19:19] <Guest65705> recommend creating or not creating swap partition on ssd drives
[19:20] <diogenes_> Guest65705, i would create.
[19:22] <Guest65705> diogenes_: Would you create it on a solid state disk in file or partition?
[19:22] <diogenes_> partition.
[19:25] <Guest65705> Ok, 1024 MB will be good?
[19:26] <diogenes_> Guest65705, if you intend to use hibernation, then as much as ram.
[19:28] <Guest65705> diogenes_: How much swap do I recommend if I want to hibernate?
[19:29] <Guest65705> I have 6 GB in RAM
[19:29] <diogenes_> Guest65705, so 6 gb swap then.
[19:31] <Guest65705> so much!?
[19:32] <diogenes_> yes because it has to remember all the running state of the system and write it to swap before hibernating.
[19:33] <Guest65705> Ok, in the previous installation I left 5 GB and sincerely I never saw that I got to use nor 1GB of Swap in heavy tasks.
[19:35] <diogenes_> hehe because you haven't compiled something like qtwebengine, then it will take even 20 GB of swap.
[19:37] <Guest65705> Wow! ok ok excelent heheheheh tanks very much. diogenes_
[19:38] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
[20:25] <mindsout> Hi, can I transfer MP3 files from Lubuntu to my phone?
[20:26] <lynorian> mindsout: what kind of phone  but normally yes pcmanfm does mtp
[20:26] <mindsout> Leagoo T8s
[20:27] <lynorian> mindsout probably but you will need to allow your phone to connect to computer
[20:27] <mindsout> Alright, thanks!


[08:16] <dholbach> good morning
[08:24] <xdatap1> dholbach, good morning!
[08:47] <dholbach> hey xdatap1
[13:29] <highvoltage> good morning


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[00:33] <cyberanger> Unit193: I can beat it with a hammer & nails
[00:33]  * cyberanger pounds & pounds for awhile, then realizes he forgot the nails
[00:36] <binarymutant> Terra Nova = Primeval, bbc show
[00:37]  * Unit193 was watching Doctor Who, but got a ping
[00:37] <binarymutant> Unit193: which season?
[00:37] <binarymutant> or should I say which Doctor...
[00:39] <Unit193> binarymutant: 612
[00:39] <Unit193> Matt Smith :/
[00:39] <binarymutant> haven't seen it yet, I think I stopped on 604
[00:39] <binarymutant> Matt Smith might not be the best, but Karen Gillan :D
[00:40] <Unit193> :D
[00:44] <Unit193> binarymutant: I can't tell you a few things about it, hurry up and watch them!
[00:44] <binarymutant> def. need to catch up
[01:00]  * cyberanger has an idea, hands binarymutant some old rocket motors
[01:02] <binarymutant> hmmm?
[01:04] <Unit193> To help you catch up...
[01:04] <Unit193> You use Hulu?
[01:09] <binarymutant> I've seen it, no acct though
[01:09] <Unit193> I don't like it so I don't use it. I was wondering where you watch 'em
[01:09] <binarymutant> the less than legal ways :P
[01:11] <binarymutant> ah but I think it is on onDemand, so-yeah I watch it onDemand
[01:15] <binarymutant> cyberanger: I might need an ftl drive to catch up :P
[01:16] <Unit193> Or just use the TARDIS....
[01:16] <binarymutant> can't use the tardis without a good looking companion lol
[01:17] <Unit193> Rules me out...
[01:19] <binarymutant> so when is Fox going to cancel Tera Nova? Place bets now
[01:20] <binarymutant> 3 weeks
[01:21] <Unit193> Tera Nova being Primeval (What you said up ^^ )  I didn't even know they were doing it
[01:22] <binarymutant> it's very similar. Like Primeval, Stargate, and family values smashed together
[01:23] <binarymutant> that was probably how they pitched it to the producers
[02:17] <binarymutant> only Doctors should be allowed to time travel [last I'll say on Terra Nova]
[03:07] <cyberanger> binarymutant: I'll presume that "Doc" is a doctor (too much of a "Back to the Future" fan I guess) and comedy specials are allowed (different genre after all)
[03:10] <binarymutant> Doc IS a doctor
[03:11] <binarymutant> my arguement is irrelavent though, because the mother on Terra Nova is a doctor too :(
 Just discovered luakit <<<<<>>>>>
[03:41] <Unit193> cyberanger: Oh, forgot to tell you. You know my translate script? Works well except when you are talking to someone with the nick "pl" :P
[03:44] <Unit193> binarymutant: I don't know lua, but looks awesome if you do
[03:48] <binarymutant> I learned lua for awesomeWM, these lua folks rock. Like `awesome` with `dwm`, `luakit` took another app I was using called `surf`
[03:59] <binarymutant> the only bad thing about switching from suckless to 'random lua project based on suckless' is the LOC differences
[04:04] <binarymutant> -and more deps obviously
[06:31] <vychune> anybody home?
[06:46] <binarymutant> Only me :P
[06:52] <Unit193> The rest are sleeping
[06:58] <binarymutant> yes, but not me
[06:58] <binarymutant> 4 energy drinksa; no sleep
[07:02] <binarymutant> very worried about my /home partition right now
[07:02] <binarymutant> need to reinstall a min. iso
[07:03] <binarymutant> when did Ubuntu become so bloated??
[07:03] <Unit193> Too large? rm -r :P
[07:03] <binarymutant> 2GB root partition got filled way to quick
[07:04] <binarymutant> too*
[07:05] <Unit193> Cyber used to be the other late person, but he's actually been busy (Great if it gets him a job)
[07:05] <Unit193> Openbox too?
[07:05] <binarymutant> awesome wm, smaller than openbox
[07:05] <binarymutant> tiling wm
[07:06] <Unit193> Yep, used it before
[07:06] <binarymutant> very worried about my /home partition. I's scared
[07:06] <binarymutant> wish there way to slim it down without reinstalling
[07:07] <Unit193> purge things you don't need and delete things from /home (du -h)
[07:07] <Unit193> Reinstall works well though
[07:09] <binarymutant> need a cd
[07:10] <binarymutant> grr I don't want to!
[07:12] <binarymutant> maybe going through each pkg in synaptic will help...
[10:16] <binarymutant> using fluxbox while I recompile awesome
[10:16] <Unit193> How are you liking it?
[10:17] <binarymutant> it's a *box
[10:17] <binarymutant> I forgot how small terminals are :D
[10:57] <binarymutant> wow that sucked, reinstalling *again*
[17:20] <cyberanger> Unit193: lemme guess, it took that for polish
[17:26] <cyberanger> Unit193: ^ the translate script with nick pl?
[17:28] <wrst> howdy jamdatadude
[17:43] <cyberanger> Juzzy: welcome to the Ubuntu Tennessee LoCo
[17:43] <cyberanger> dang tabcomplete foul
[17:44] <cyberanger> jamdatadude: welcome to the Ubuntu Tennessee LoCo
[17:47] <Juzzy> heh ok
[17:53] <cyberanger> Juzzy: your welcome here too of course :-)
[17:53] <cyberanger> Juzzy: tried the new pfsense yet?
[18:52] <Unit193> cyberanger: Yep
[18:53] <cyberanger> Unit193: you have tried pfsense 2.0?
[18:53] <Unit193> Nope
[18:54] <cyberanger> oh, the translate issue?
[18:55] <cyberanger> sorry, too many topics today
[18:56] <Unit193> It happens
[18:56] <jamdatadude> hey guys just saying hi and introducing myself as a new loco guy
[18:58] <cyberanger> Unit193: that does sound like an issue
[18:59] <cyberanger> jamdatadude: glad to have you, where from?
[18:59] <cyberanger> (East, Middle or West Tennessee)
[19:14] <xpistos> What up yal!
[19:14] <xpistos> jamdatadude: How is it going!
[19:14] <xpistos> wrst
[19:15] <xpistos> what up peeps!
[19:15] <xpistos> See that I jump in , meet a new member and pay respect all in 60 seconds
[19:15]  * xpistos breaks his arm patting himslef on the back because he is more humble than YOU!
[19:15] <xpistos> ZING!
[20:01] <jamdatadude> hehe sorry boss grabbed me
[20:01] <jamdatadude> It's going great I'm middle TN
[20:01] <jamdatadude> murfreesboro
[20:04] <xpistos> hey should I be freaked out by this - http://thehackernews.com/2011/09/https-ssl-encryption-vulnerable-to.html
[20:13] <jamdatadude> haven't seen the full details of the exposure yet
[20:13] <jamdatadude> but seems to me to require access to either the client or server side of the network for injection
[20:14] <jamdatadude> if you are tight on your side should be good unless that BEAST tool turns out to not need that access to simulate man in the middle
[20:23] <xpistos> It looks like there are a lot of ifs involved in this as well.
[20:24] <jamdatadude> yeah


[06:46] <ducasse> AndrzejL: aiui gnome has dropped support for tray icons, or it's coming soon. could be related to that. steam probably uses an indicator instead.
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> indicators will come to right upper corner indeed instead of tray applet at left down corner
[07:02] <ducasse> don't you now need an extension for the tray icons?
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: the extension will be vanilla installed, canonical forked one
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> indicators + dash to dock are installed by default
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> i got both enabled, but didnt see indicators yet
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> perhaps still worked on?
[07:04] <ducasse> dunno, i just read about it a while back.
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> i can manage them with gnome-tweak-tool on/off
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> knotify..something
[07:08]  * ducasse nods
[15:06] <nacc> ducasse: interesting, thanks for that info!
[15:09] <ducasse> nacc: np, i'll try to test a few electron snaps myself on both 17.04 and 17.10 to check when i find the time. should i just try the ones that have been mentioned so far?
[15:10] <nacc> ducasse: that's probably easiest
[15:10] <ducasse> ok, will do - hopefully tomorrow.
[17:07] <sary> Is there 17.10 desktop iso image other than the daily build?
[17:11] <oerheks> Not that i know of, for desktop.
[17:24] <ducasse> sary: there's the beta image afaik
[17:26] <AndrzejL> ducasse:
[17:27] <AndrzejL> So you reckon they will fix the tray icons?
[17:27] <AndrzejL> Or did they get rid of them?
[17:28] <ducasse> AndrzejL: read what lotus said following me, he knows gnome better as i don't use it myself
[17:29] <AndrzejL> Ah yes
[17:30] <AndrzejL> I am a fresh meat to gnome myself
[17:30] <sary> ducasse: I searched the web for the beta1 image and the alpha's , but didn't find any.
[17:30] <AndrzejL> KDE / plasma is my desktop of choice but I like the Ubuntu Gnome and want to give it a spin before installing plasma
[17:31] <AndrzejL> Altho recently I find myself being bored with Plasma.. maybe its time for change...
[17:34] <sary> someone is experiencing freezes with the daily build image on an actual install and the live session with a 7th Gen. Intel i5 + Intel 620 GPU.
[17:37] <flocculant> sary: if you're talking about ubuntu - then nothing other than dailies for that
[17:43] <sary> flocculant: Hiya, Yes Ubuntu, not the flavors! Noted, Thanks.
[17:43] <oerheks> sary,  someone = you ?
[17:45] <sary> oerheks: not me, someone else #See https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2370990
[17:46] <oerheks> oke, so it does not affect you?
[17:47] <sary> No, am flyin' xubuntu for awhile with no such issue.
[17:47] <flocculant> sary: \o/
[18:59] <nettlejam> Question about the tomcat8 package... Debian Stable ('stretch') has version 8.5.14, but Artful still only includes 8.0.38. I haven't gone digging but I'm assuming that since versino 8.5 is in Debian stable, it's been available for a fairly long time. Is there a reason Ubuntu will still ship an older version?
[19:01] <brainwash> the ubuntu tomcat package carries additional patches, there it will not be auto synced with debian
[19:02] <brainwash> therefore I mean
[19:04] <brainwash> nettlejam: I suggest opening a bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat8
[19:06] <nettlejam> brainwash - thanks, i'll do that
[19:06] <brainwash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[19:07] <brainwash> the first paragraph explains how it works
[19:15] <nettlejam> Well, filed - hope i did it right :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat8/+bug/1716471
[19:17] <brainwash> I think adding the correct Tags will help
[19:18] <brainwash> "upgrade-software-version"
[19:19] <nettlejam> ah, thanks
[19:20] <nettlejam> sorry - not familiar with the process
[19:21] <brainwash> so, the bad news is that it's too late in the dev cycle to upgrade the version
[19:23] <brainwash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule
[19:24] <nettlejam> Do you think this will at least raise the issue so that it may be included in the 18.04 release?
[19:24] <brainwash> of course
[19:25] <nettlejam> That works for me then :)
[19:25] <nettlejam> Thanks for the help
[19:26] <brainwash> you're welcome


[01:59] <tsimonq2> Is this still relevant? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[15:59] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Hey, my name is Simon and I applied for Bug Squad 13 hours ago, do you mind taking a look? I really would like to start fixing bugs soon!
[16:00] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: joining the bug squad isn't a prerequiste for fixing bugs.
[16:00] <tsimonq2> What I meant is to triage them! Sorry!
[16:01] <bdmurray> No problem. It's also still possible to triage bugs w/o being in a team. (And thanks for helping out.)
[16:02] <tsimonq2> I thought the Bug Squad had triaging permissions, though!
[16:03] <bdmurray> The Ubuntu Bug Control team has some special permissions but work can still be done without being a member of that team.
[16:03] <tsimonq2> And either way, don't I fit the requirements to be accepted for the Bug Squad?
[16:05] <tsimonq2> bdmurray
[16:05] <bdmurray> Right, I'm double checking.
[16:05] <tsimonq2> Ok
[16:05] <tsimonq2> Sorry
[16:05] <bdmurray> No problem. What kind of bugs will you be looking at?
[16:05] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu bugs mostly. Untriaged Lubuntu bugs.
[16:07] <bdmurray> Cool. I've added you, let me know if you have any questions.
[16:07] <tsimonq2> Ok!
[16:07] <tsimonq2> Thanks!\