[00:05] <Deithrian> do i ask questions about Xubuntu Natty here or in #Xubuntu?
[00:06] <charlie-tca> here
[00:06] <charlie-tca> Everything +1 goes here
[00:07] <Deithrian> Ok using nvidia-settings in Xubuntu to setup dual monitors, it doesn't take into account the "Make this my primary display" setting and it makes the other monitor primary
[00:07] <charlie-tca> There are several people that hang out here and run Xubuntu Natty
[00:07] <Deithrian> also after i enabled the second monitor with twin view the bar that shows at the bottom of the screen no longer functions
[00:07] <Deithrian> it loads on startup then hides then i can't make it popup when i go to the bottom of the screen
[00:07] <charlie-tca> right, panels in dual monitor is broken
[00:08] <charlie-tca> What about making it not hide?
[00:08] <Deithrian> it's just gone
[00:08] <Deithrian> umm where do i make it non hide?
[00:08] <charlie-tca> click the logo, Settings -> Panel
[00:08] <Deithrian> oh found it
[00:09] <Deithrian> weird
[00:09] <charlie-tca> make panel1 on top, uncheck the automatically hide
[00:09] <Deithrian> panel is "LockPanel option selected auto hide is not selected
[00:09] <charlie-tca> oops, check the Lock panel, uncheck the Automatically show and hide
[00:10] <charlie-tca> It should let it show up then
[00:10] <charlie-tca> not panel 1, panel 2
[00:10] <charlie-tca> panel 1 is always the top panel, panel 2 is the bottom
[00:10] <Deithrian> ok when i'm in that menu the bottom panel shows up when i close the menu the bottom panel drops down and it's gone again meaning i can't make it show with the mouse
[00:11] <Deithrian> ohh ok
[00:11] <Deithrian> panel 2 :)
[00:11] <Deithrian> ok it's working now
[00:11] <charlie-tca> right, select the panel 2, uncheck automatically show and hide for it
[00:11] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to make dual monitors work right
[00:11] <Deithrian> charlie-tca any way to make the primary monitor thing work? my second monitor is smaller and to the left :/
[00:12] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I only run a single monitor on each of my three computers
[00:12] <Deithrian> charlie-tca it's strange because the splash screen loads correctly on my main monitor and second monitor works as it should in splash screen
[00:12] <charlie-tca> You might have to ask that in #xfce.
[00:13] <Deithrian> ok thank you :)
[00:16] <Deithrian> btw this is gorgeous interface ^_^
[00:16] <charlie-tca> Thank you. I can pass that on to the artist
[00:17] <penguin42> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/01/ubuntu1004_beta_review/  is pretty scathing
[00:23] <ceed^> Hi. anyone else seeing these dependency problems right now when trying to upgrade: http://pastebin.com/a1X2hu5L
[00:24] <Deithrian> i think i figured it out o-o for some reason with twin view my second monitor is missing from the nvidia generated config huh
[00:29] <thiebaude> im on 11.04 so far so good :)
[00:31] <gordonjcp> I really want to like Unity but it just makes me seasick
[00:32] <gordonjcp> and the deep drop-shadows make my eyes hurt
[00:34] <thiebaude> im going check out classic gnome see i like it better :)
[00:35] <ceed^> I had decided to hate Unity, but I can't. It's simple and works. Buggy though.
[00:36] <syn-ack> I still prefer Gnome Shell, myself.
[00:36] <syn-ack> Unity is faster tho...
[00:38] <Sonja> what´s the differences between chrome and chromium
[00:38] <Sonja> i have both now
[00:38] <gordonjcp> ceed^: about the only thing I can't really get past is the lack of a taskbar
[00:39] <gordonjcp> there's no easy way to see which apps are running
[00:39] <TheBuntu> im useing the 2.6.39 rc1 kernel..in 10.10....how can i add the nvidia 270.26...repo
[00:40] <BUGabundo> Sonja: chromium is the community build of the code of chromium
[00:40] <Sonja> my chromium is all configured as i like it
[00:40] <BUGabundo> chrome is the binary built (who know how and for what target) and distribuited by google
[00:40] <Sonja> after the upgrade to natty, i now have a chrome available too
[00:40] <BUGabundo> I doubt it
[00:41] <BUGabundo> *we* don't provide chrome
[00:41] <Sonja> it might just be chromium packaged as chrome?
[00:41] <Sonja> i have the old blue chromium and the pan-african coloured chrome available
[00:41] <BUGabundo> no
[00:41] <Sonja> they open different windows
[00:41] <Sonja> have different settings in them
[00:45] <TheBuntu> im useing the 2.6.39 rc1 kernel..in 10.10....how can i add the nvidia 270.26...repo ???
[00:45] <deithrian> charlie-tca well i placed the left monitor on the right side of the main monitor in nvidia-settings and now it works as it should have o-o left monitor is secondary right monitor is main although in nvidia-settings it's the opposite, also the bottom panel works as well with autohide weird
[00:51] <shaneo> can someone give me a hand with a vm error
[00:51] <shaneo> Apr 01 19:49:36.526: app-3077564096| Building module with command: /usr/bin/make -C /tmp/vmware-root/modules/vmmon-only auto-build SUPPORT_SMP=1 HEADER_DIR=/lib/modules/2.6.38-7-generic/build/include CC=/usr/bin/gcc GREP=/usr/bin/make IS_GCC_3=no VMCCVER=4.5.2
[00:51] <shaneo> Apr 01 19:49:43.430: app-3077564096| Failed to compile module vmmon!
[00:58] <TheBuntu> im useing the 2.6.39 rc1 kernel..in 10.10....how can i add the nvidia 270.26...repo
[00:59] <_skpl> can i get supprt for natty here?
[00:59] <bjsnider> TheBuntu, unsupported and offtopic
[01:00] <thiebaude> TheBuntu, try #ubuntu
[01:00] <thiebaude> :)
[01:01] <TheBuntu> how #ubuntu...going to tell me how to add a natty repo
[01:03] <thiebaude> TheBuntu, its not good to mix and match repos like that
[01:05] <bjsnider> TheBuntu, the 270 blob for maverick is in the x-updates ppa
[01:06] <bjsnider> but it may not work with that kernel, and if it doesn't, there's nothing anybody can do about it
[01:07] <TheBuntu> thiebaude: i know..but i been running the natty kernel on 10.10 every sence 2.6.38.rc1...with no trouble...just now on 2.6.39.rc1...the 10.10 nvidia dont want to activate..thats why i wanted natty nvidia repo
[01:07] <jkorkean> itaylor57: http://pastebin.com/Zgqc41Qq
[01:08] <thiebaude> ok TheBuntu  :)
[01:08] <thiebaude> i sure dont know how to add it
[01:09] <TheBuntu> bjsnider: where do i get the ppa x-update
[01:09] <bjsnider> TheBuntu, google is your friend
[01:11] <jkorkean> itaylor57: any idea?
[01:12] <TheBuntu> bjsnider: is this what i want...    sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[01:12] <jkorkean> i heard notification area is nowadays picky on what it accepts, but reinstalling should have resolved that (i guess)
[01:13] <itaylor57> jkorkean: no
[01:14] <jkorkean> ok, ill file a bug on this
[01:26] <ethana2> Hello all, I have just installed and updated/dist-upgraded Ubuntu 11.04 on this computer
[01:26] <ethana2> I would like to install Nouveau 3d and get Unity running, how should I go about it?
[01:29] <Daekdroom> ethana2, install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental package, but have in mind that it is an unsupported package.
[01:30] <eekTheCat> is it possible to change the shortcut keys the unity panel uses?
[01:30] <_skpl> i install natty neta but when the machine logs on i dont get a panel or anything.
[01:30] <eekTheCat> from mod4+1, mod4+2 and so on to something else
[01:30] <eekTheCat> i've always used those keys to change desktops
[01:32] <ethana2> Daekdroom: I've been using Nouveau for about a year on different machines-- does it seem to generally be functional at the moment?
[01:32] <ethana2> like, if it explodes, i can deal-- but what's the probability of that right now?
[01:32] <Daekdroom> The 3d? I wouldn't count on it.
[01:32] <Daekdroom> I mean, I've seen people test that package, and it couldn't run unity
[01:33] <ethana2> Daekdroom: hrmm.. so just because it can run compiz on a machine with a previous release doesn't mean it can run unity on it with 11.04?
[01:34] <Daekdroom> ethana2, it's possible.
[01:34] <ethana2> Daekdroom: if it explodes, will removing that package fix it?
[01:35] <Daekdroom> ethana2, yes, unless it actually explodes ;)
[01:35] <Daekdroom> Which is not going to happen
[01:35] <ethana2> Daekdroom: well, Nouveau has caused a gpu of mine to explode, kind of
[01:35] <ethana2> Daekdroom: if you remember the whole bad manufacturing nVidia debacle
[01:35] <Daekdroom> Sort of.
[01:36] <ethana2> Daekdroom: filed on the class action, waiting for my airbill'd box to send it in one last time
[01:36] <BUGabundo> bed(NOW)
[01:40] <eekTheCat> from what i'm reading this panel thing isn't even remotely customizable is it
[01:43] <ethana2> ok, Unity is running :D ...only the little ubuntu icon in the top left isn't there
[01:43] <Kurdistan> hey guys how are unity going on in ubuntu?
[01:43] <Kurdistan> how stabile will it be in release day?
[01:43] <Kurdistan> how will 11.04 perform in boot, battery time etc?
[01:43] <Kurdistan> better then 10.10?
[01:45] <coz_> Kurdistan,  I dont use it on a laptop so I couldnt say here
[01:46] <coz_> Kurdistan,  it  has its issues... of course... it seems to be running decently but thinks can certainly change within these next few weeks :)
[01:46] <Kurdistan> nobody here that can tell me?
[01:48] <bazhang> Kurdistan, as its not released yet, no
[01:49] <Kurdistan> but this is for people that use ubuntu 11.04 beta?
[01:49] <coz_> Kurdistan,  this channel is yes
[01:50] <coz_> Kurdistan,   hang out here,, someone running this on a laptop may have some info for you,, however,, its not released and as I said , things can change in the next few weeks
[01:51] <Kurdistan> coz_, I hope becuase there is many unity haters out there.
[01:51] <Kurdistan> they would love to see unity fall.
[01:51] <coz_> Kurdistan,  :)  well I am not a lover of it here :)  I change the session to classic gnome
[01:51] <coz_> Kurdistan,  on a desktop Unity + global menu is  too difficutlt to deal with
[01:52] <Kurdistan> okey, It looks really good.
[01:52] <lcb> Kurdistan, is running nice on my laptop. try it first on a virtual machine though
[01:52] <coz_> Kurdistan,  it does have a nice look to it
[01:52] <Kurdistan> better then all ubuntu version I have tried past years.
[01:54] <Kurdistan> classic gnome is good. I think gnome 3 will be apart of 11.10?
[01:54] <lcb> Kurdistan, natty is a much more improved 10.10 with a different interface. however you can easily use "10.10" desktop (here called Classic Desktop)
[01:54] <coz_> Kurdistan,  not sure about that,,, I doubt it
[01:56] <lcb> Kurdistan, about the haters, they probably will became eaters on april 28th
[01:57] <Kurdistan> thx girls/guys
[01:57] <coz_> Kurdistan,  guy here :)
[01:57] <Kurdistan> will battery time be better?
[01:57] <lcb> i'll tell my girl :)
[01:57] <lcb> Kurdistan, seems better, yes
[01:57] <coz_> Kurdistan,  I think th at was one of the working ideas  when this was planned
[01:57] <ethana2> lcb: how much better?
[01:57] <Kurdistan> how is boot-time? any improvement? 10.4 was big improvement compare to 9.10.
[01:57] <lcb> Kurdistan, all core system is upgraded, so imagine
[01:58] <Kurdistan> 10.10 same boot-time as 10.04
[01:59] <lcb> i have no way of comparing it now. but on this laptop my cpu fan is not working no much as on 10.10. didn't check the rates though
[01:59] <lcb> no much /so much*
[01:59] <Kurdistan> oki... thx anyway
[02:00] <lcb> Kurdistan, try it and cameback so you'll know if you will be one of the eaters :p
[02:00] <Kurdistan> lcb I have only one laptop
[02:00] <Kurdistan> I am student :P I dont have time anymore to play around
[02:01] <lcb> Kurdistan, try it on a VirtualBox machine, it's easy to set it up, all
[02:01] <Kurdistan> I want it just to work and tired of install different dist...
[02:01] <Kurdistan> lcb true, but I am lazzzzzzy...
[02:01] <lcb> Kurdistan, have in mind, at the moment unity desktop, now called simply 'Ubuntu', doesn't have gnome /tree menus
[02:02] <lcb> Kurdistan, from kurdistan to portugal is not so far, so came here and i'll do it for you.
[02:04] <Kurdistan> lcb hahaha :P you are cool
[02:05] <lcb> Kurdistan, are you from Turkey, Iraqi, Iran or Syria?
[02:06] <lcb> all - kurdistan "land of kurds"
[02:06] <Kurdistan> lcb nice one that knows about kurdistan and kurds.
[02:06] <Kurdistan> from the turkish part of Kurdistan
[02:07] <lcb> Kurdistan, i'm not so lazzzzzzy to check wikipedia :p
[02:07] <Kurdistan> lcb I hate wikipedia
[02:07] <lcb> anyway, i knew a bit about it
[02:07] <Kurdistan> many crapy facts
[02:07] <lcb> Kurdistan, Internet - the big new encyclopedia - wikipedia a small part of internet
[02:08] <Kurdistan> lcb true
[02:08] <lcb> yeap
[02:10] <lcb> Kurdistan, damn small linux runs very well on all diskettes. too bad is not developed anymore. you can tell that to the 'haters'
[02:11] <Kurdistan> lcb yeah I have read about it before.
[02:11] <Kurdistan> slitaz was the last distro I tried in virtualbox
[02:12] <Kurdistan> really lightweighted
[02:12] <lcb> there are a couple, nowadays
[02:13] <Kurdistan> yes...
[02:14] <lcb> i even made a computer from a pocket calculator, a small satellite dish with a cooking pan for internet and all in BASIC.
[02:14] <lcb> j/k
[02:15] <Kurdistan> lol
[02:15] <Kurdistan> have nice time peepz
[02:15] <lcb> you too :)
[02:17] <Guest64094> charlie-tca i think the bug may be in Xubuntu, when i checked, panel 1 was set to "auto" and when i selected "monitor 1" it displayed at the right position.
[02:20] <Chat0439> canada!
[02:21] <Guest64094> Tetsu!
[02:21] <Chat0439> casagea
[02:22] <arand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+bug/747824 is affecting eveyrone isn't it?
[02:34] <nkiesel1> just upgraded to 11.04 beta1 and have some basic problems with unity on my netbook
[02:35] <coz_> nkiesel1,   if you tell everyone the issues ,, anyone familiar with them may be able to help :)
[02:35] <nkiesel1> example: only app running is firefox in full-screen mode.  How to I access the unity side-bar from this state?
[02:36] <coz_> nkiesel1,   move your mouse up to the upper left corner where the ubuntu logo is
[02:36] <nkiesel1> right now the only way I know is to either minimize or non-fullscreen firefox
[02:36] <nkiesel1> there is no logo in full-screen mode
[02:36] <coz_> nkiesel1,   ok it should still show when you move the mouse up there
[02:37] <coz_> nkiesel1,   can you open ccsm...click on the Unity plugin to see if it is ticked for autohide
[02:37] <nkiesel1> it shows the tab bar
[02:37] <nkiesel1> of firefox when I go to the top-left corner
[02:37] <nkiesel1> ccsm?
[02:38] <coz_> nkiesel1,   yeah compiz config settings manager
[02:39] <coz_> nkiesel1,  if you close firefox ,, in the launcher it is a white icon with a crecent wrrench  icon
[02:40] <nkiesel1> ccsm is not installed right now
[02:40] <coz_> nkiesel1,  oh ,, ok
[02:40] <coz_> nkiesel1,  mm
[02:40] <nkiesel1> i'm willing to install if that helps
[02:40] <coz_> nkiesel1,   well it con tains the plugin settings for compiz...
[02:42] <nkiesel1> applying changes...
[02:43] <coz_> nkiesel1,  I assume the video driver is already installed ...yes?
[02:44] <nkiesel1> good Q.  i clearly have "a" video driver
[02:44] <nkiesel1> i now started ccsm and clicked on the unity plugin
[02:47] <coz_> nkiesel1,  ok the "Hide Launcher" pull down should be set to  Dodge windows
[02:47] <nkiesel1> it is
[02:47] <coz_> nkiesel1,  mm
[02:47] <coz_> nkiesel1,  then it should open when you mouse over the upper left corner of the screen  ...left corner,.left side
[02:47] <nkiesel1> key to put keyboard-focus on launcher is set to <Alt>F1
[02:48] <coz_> yes
[02:48] <nkiesel1> upper-left corner: it does, unless I'm in a full-screen mode
[02:48] <nkiesel1> then it does nothing (visible)
[02:48] <coz_> nkiesel1,  mm  that sounds unreasonable
[02:49] <coz_> nkiesel1,  sounds more like a bug  than normal behavior,, hopefully
[02:50] <coz_> nkiesel1,  try just maximizing firefox instead of full screen
[02:50] <nkiesel1> I don't see the top panel (with ubuntu icon in top left, time etc in top right) in full-screen mode, and of course I don't want to
[02:50] <nkiesel1> will try maximize
[02:50] <Randolf> how do I get empathy to let pidgin handle im?
[02:50] <coz_> Randolf,  ooo I dont use either sorry
[02:52] <nkiesel1> maximize works, but waists about 10% of my precious screen height because it now shows top-panel, tab-bar, and url bar
[02:53] <coz_> nkiesel1,  right understood
[02:53] <coz_> nkiesel1,  well I am going to assume it is a bug,,, on a netbook,, accessing the launcher is absolutely necessary,, I cant imagine this is a "feature"
[02:53] <nkiesel1> i guess I'm just looking for a way to make Alt-F1 work even in full-screen mode
[02:54] <nkiesel1> coz_: should I file a bug? where (was first on the unity irc, but they sent me here)
[02:54] <nkiesel1> thanks for your help btw
[02:55] <coz_> nkiesel1,  well I would stick around here  and ask again just in case,, personally I would file a but report  and explain how necessary the launcher accessibility is when full screen window is opened
[02:57] <nkiesel1> only workaround I have right now is to have a 2nd app running in non-fullscreen mode (e.g. gnome-terminal), and the <Alt>Tab to that, and access the launcher from there
[02:58] <coz_> nkiesel1,  mm  well.. as I said ,, I would report this.. see what they say
[02:58] <coz_> nkiesel1,  or go back to #ayatana ,, which is where the developers are,, and ask there
[02:58] <nkiesel1> (and of course I then start working in the terminal and thus full-screen that as well, and I'm back to square 1 :-)
[02:59] <coz_> nkiesel1,  yeah this sounds like inconvenience and that is not suppose to be on a net book,, accessing the launcher, in my opinion, is critical on netbook
[03:01] <ubuntuguest> Hey guys, I have a quick question to ask
[03:01] <ubuntuguest> I will be installing Natty to an external USB drive later tonight and wanted to know if the installer still has the "Advanced" options so I can change the location of GRUB. Also I would like to know which screen it is on if anyone knows
[03:02] <bazhang> ubuntuguest, near the end of the installation process iirc
[03:03] <bazhang> ubuntuguest, the live cd or the debian-installer?
[03:03] <ubuntuguest> bazhang: LiveUSB
[03:03] <bazhang> should prompt you near the end if I recall correctly
[03:03] <trism> ubuntuguest: you can select the location of grub on the manual partitioning screen, as far as I know, for the moment though, you can only choose not to install grub by running: ubiquity -b;
[03:03] <bazhang> not used the live cd for awhile though
[03:04] <trism> they changed it considerably for natty
[03:04] <bin_bash> Hello
[03:04] <bazhang> hi
[03:04] <ubuntuguest> trism: so I can change to location on the Manual partition screen? I want it to install GRUB to the external drive's MBR and not the Internal
[03:05] <ubuntuguest> *the location
[03:05] <bin_bash> I have a MacBook Pro 8,1 with a 2.3 GHz i5 processor. I wanted to know if I should try running Natty or if I could stick with Lynx or Maverick. I haven't installed any of them yet, as I just got the computer today. ANY help is appreciated.
[03:05] <trism> ubuntuguest: I believe I saw the option there, because I was trying to select to not install grub, but that wasn't in the combo box
[03:05] <ubuntuguest> trism: Ok, thanks I will keep that in mind when installing later tonight :)
[03:06] <foxmike> exit
[03:06] <ubuntuguest> I was using the LiveUSB of the Beta earlier and I am really enjoying it, this release of Ubuntu is going to be amazing!
[03:08] <arand> trism: Is it full out a combo box nowadays, you can't write in it no more?
[03:09] <bin_bash> Anyone?
[03:09] <bazhang> bin_bash, stick with a release
[03:09] <bazhang> bin_bash, wait for the end of april for natty
[03:09] <arand> bin_bash: Natty is beta, consider it unstable.
[03:09] <coz_> bin_bash,   ubuntu 10.04 is the LTS  version
[03:09] <bazhang> april 28 or thereabouts
[03:10] <bin_bash> bazhang: I've heard that 10.04 or 10.10 might not be compatible with my processor. I have NO Idea how to find this out
[03:10] <coz_> bin_bash,  i would probably go with that or  if you want  ubuntu 10.10
[03:10] <trism> arand: yeah, it only let you choose from a set number of locations, last time I checked during alpha 3 anyway
[03:10] <coz_> bin_bash,  oh mm thats interesting about the cpu
[03:10] <arand> bin_bash: Run liveCDs and test the different release
[03:10] <bazhang> bin_bash, you could try natty, but its hardly completely stable right now
[03:10] <bin_bash> coz: yeah, apparently Sandy Bridge is not compatible or something. When I ran the live CD everything looked okay, but I have no idea if it'll reflect how it'll behave once actually installed.
[03:11] <bin_bash> I'm also worried I won't be able to find the drivers I need
[03:11] <arand> It should reflect it reasonably...
[03:12] <coz_> bin_bash,   well are you intending to dual boot?
[03:12] <bin_bash> coz_: Yes, with OS X.
[03:12] <coz_> bin_bash,  well  then you will have that partitioned off ,, and at the worst you would just reformat it for mac and use it as storage,, yes?
[03:13] <bin_bash> Yeah I guess. I already used GParted to partition
[03:13] <coz_> bin_bash,  then cant hurt to try,, which version did you use the live cd ?
[03:13] <bin_bash> 10.04
[03:13] <bin_bash> It's the only version I had downloaded.
[03:13] <coz_> bin_bash,  ok thats the LTS  long term support
[03:14] <bin_bash> coz_: yeah, it's the version I had been using.
[03:14] <coz_> bin_bash,  so give it a try,, if it worked as live cd  it is more liekly to work installed as well
[03:14] <bin_bash> Basically I had another MacBook Pro that was supported with 10.04 (5,5) but then it got messed up, and so they replaced it for free. But I didn't know this processor was potentially incompatible
[03:14] <coz_> bin_bash,  I use live cd to test clients systems... I have not had it  fail on install once the live cd worked
[03:14] <bin_bash> Also, I'm concerned about finding the drivers I need.
[03:15] <bin_bash> coz_: I was able to get into gnome and use gparted and everything.
[03:15] <coz_> bin_bash,  well jump in.. as I said if it fails,, seems unlikely,, you can reformat that partition
[03:15] <bin_bash> this is true.
[03:16] <bin_bash> coz_: How can I make sure I find the right drivers? the wireless one is especially important.
[03:16] <coz_> bin_bash,  but it would be interesting to hear about the results
[03:19] <bin_bash> I can't find anything about drivers. I don't even kjnow what kind of wireless card this is.
[03:21] <arand> You will probably be able to find out using "lspci" whence in ubuntu.
[03:22] <arand> bin_bash: And, as it were, in most cases the drivers are already present in the kernel, or easily installable using the "additional drivers" (jockey-gtk) application
[03:23] <bin_bash> okay this might be an insane question
[03:23] <bin_bash> but i found these files in this "linux" folder
[03:23] <bin_bash> do you know what this is
[03:23] <bin_bash> bcmwl-kernel-source_<IP_ADDRESS>+bdcom-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[03:25] <arand> Kernel source for the broadcom wireless driver module, for a 32bit debian/ubuntu system I would venture a guess...
[03:26] <arand> That package will be available to install from the repositories.
[03:27] <id10t> Hello, I was running a dual boot of 10.10 and win7, normally I use g-parted to remove my linux partition and then install a different version with no problem. Tried the same method with natty beta1 but grub loaded to rescue, I repaired grub but natty failed to load. any ideas?
[03:29] <bin_bash> Do you guise know what this is?
[03:29] <bin_bash> dkms_<IP_ADDRESS>-2fakesync1_all.deb
[03:29] <arand> repaired grub how? failed to load how?
[03:29] <id10t> I am guessing this channel is for natty
[03:29] <arand> id10t: Indeed
[03:30] <id10t> arand, I repaired grub using the live cd... then when I select natty to load from grub, it loads partially and then freezes
[03:30] <arand> dkms is stuff for kompiling kernel modules...
[03:30] <bin_bash> Okay
[03:30] <bin_bash> Well I'll put this stuff on the flash drive in case i need it
[03:30] <bin_bash> I'll be back soon hopefully.
[03:31] <arand> id10t: So you get the ubuntu splash screen?
[03:31] <bin_bash> Wish me luck in installing 10.04!
[03:31] <arand> bin_bash: 11.04*
[03:31] <id10t> arand, no splash, just text
[03:31] <bin_bash> No, 10.04
[03:31] <id10t> arand, sorry I will load it and give the exact point of freeze
[03:31] <arand> bin_bash: Ah, right, then you have support in #ubuntu
[03:31] <id10t> 1 moment
[03:32] <arand> id10t: But the kernel starts initiating?
[03:32] <bin_bash> arand: I'm just hoping it doesn't totally eff up my system
[03:32] <arand> bin_bash: Well, there's something for making backups at key points in time...
[03:33] <id10t> arand, hmmmm..... not sure what just happened, but it loaded....
[03:33] <arand> Of at least the most important data...
[03:33] <bin_bash> arand: yeah I have my ubuntu home folder and my entire OS X partition backed up
[03:33] <id10t> well anyway, I had to reinstall grub because it didn't load from the cd (install along side other operating system) method didn't work
[03:34] <arand> So you get the grub menu with kernel options though?
[03:36] <id10t> arand, only after re-installing grub from the live cd
[03:36] <arand> And if it does manage to load up the kernel, I would say the problem doesn't lie in grub, but further on in the boot process
[03:36] <id10t> initally, I only got grub rescue
[03:37] <arand> Hmm, the installer is normally supposed to reinstall grub in a sane way.. but anyways, atm, i think your problem is past grub
[03:38] <id10t> Curious, natty beta has a much longer load time than 10.10, think this will change with final release?
[03:39] <arand> I do not know, if you run bootchart and try to pin down specifics and bug report it, it might ;)
[03:41] <id10t> I wish I was better with this stuff, everything I do is trial and error... I dont know what bootchart is..
[03:42] <arand> It's an application, install it and look at the charts in /var/log/bootchart I think
[03:43] <id10t> I'll give it a shot
[03:43] <arand> Though having a reference to the old faster system would be quite helpful in that case, unless there is stuff that is obvious
[03:44] <id10t> Maybe I should have mentioned the system I am running it on, thinkpad x120e, 4 gig's of ram
[03:44] <arand> Also, note that there is optimisation going on during the first boot(s?) So the boot speed won't be representative the first boot around
[03:45] <id10t> I did not know that... thanks
[04:19] <Randolf> why do compiz window decoration shadow settings get overrode?
[04:36] <bin_bash> Well, 10.04 installed successfully.
[04:42] <TheBuntu> in 11.04.... what replaced /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:45] <bazhang> TheBuntu, its replaced long ago
[04:45] <DrakasX> Hello all
[04:46] <bazhang> !grub2
[04:46] <rigved> hi everyone...i am talking about bug 458872...i want to test a fix which I have created for it. how do i do that? specifically, i want to introduce cruft into my system. how do i do that?
[04:46] <bazhang> TheBuntu, ^
[04:46] <DrakasX> I'm currently preparing to upgrade to 11.04 and i was wondering if the Broadcom wireless driver is unsupported, since i noticed it on the list of packages to be removed.
[04:47] <DrakasX> I forgot to mention i am upgrading via network
[04:47] <TheBuntu> i just need to know where the file went to that i can edit the kernel line
[04:48] <bazhang> TheBuntu, check that link?
[04:49] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2   <---- TheBuntu
[04:54] <TheBuntu> bazhang: its telling me what i thought and asked where it went to.../boot/grub/menu.lst......i have no menu.lst in there....and plus im geting...sudo kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst........ No protocol specified
[04:54] <TheBuntu> kwrite: cannot connect to X server :0
[05:11] <arand> TheBuntu: grub2 has /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[05:11] <lazyPower> Question about the Natty Beta, how do you change the screen resolution? the system-applet has been removed (As far as i can tell) and its not using xorg, so i'm at a loss on how to change it. Maybe my google-fu is weak tonight?
[05:12] <TheBuntu> arand: i found that....so thats where i edit the kernel line then right
[05:17] <Amaranth> lazyPower: It's using xorg, open the unity dash (click the ubuntu logo) and type in monitor
[05:17] <Amaranth> lazyPower: Or if you're in classic click the Ubuntu logo, go to preferences, click on monitors
[05:18] <ubudork> hola... i just updated 10.10 to 11.04... after i have logged in i see my new desktop, i can move the mouse around  but that is it. no response to keyboard or clicking on any item. all seems frozen... heeeelp!
[05:21] <ubudork> no one able to help out here?
[05:22] <Amaranth> ubudork: Is that in the unity interface?
[05:22] <Amaranth> ubudork: does pressing caps lock turn the light on?
[05:22] <Amaranth> also, is that intel video?
[05:23] <ubudork> it is nvidia video, caps lock turns light on
[05:23] <ubudork> yes seems unity is set default¨
[05:23] <Amaranth> ubudork: See if it happens with classic
[05:24] <Amaranth> ubudork: Try regular classic first then try classic (no effects)
[05:24] <Amaranth> you can choose those on the gdm login screen after you choose your user but before you put in your password
[05:24] <ubudork> i tried ctrl alt delete now.... after one two minutes the computer responded and shut down
[05:25] <Griemak> Boot it back up and see if a "Kernel panic" message occurs, it is posible the Nvidia driver failed install?
[05:27] <ubudork> same frozen experience in classic. will try no fx now
[05:28] <Griemak> Which Nvidia card do you have?  Have you installed the Nvidia driver yet?
[05:28] <ubudork> no fx works... puh
[05:29] <ubudork> i think i saw that the 260.something was installed
[05:29] <Griemak> which Nvidia card do you have?  the 260.something may be incorrect
[05:30] <ubudork> will check now. not sure what card. it is a old lenovo 300n200 laptop
[05:31] <Griemak> You may want the NVidia-173, not NVidia-Current, check the Nvidia model to see
[05:31] <benzaldehyde> is the upgrade from maverick to natty the same route from lucid to maverick, i.e. can i mount the iso and let the upgrade manager do the rest?
[05:33] <ubudork> well the current driver is the only one appearing in the thirdpasrty driver window
[05:34] <ubudork> do i use synaptic then?
[05:35] <Griemak> perhaps, were you able to track down your gpu to see if it can handle the 270.x version?
[05:36] <ubudork> no luck identifying the adapter
[05:36] <rigved> benzaldehyde: just for your info, natty is still in beta stage. so do not do this for a production system. but otherwise, upgrade is still the same process
[05:37] <Griemak> try the "auto find" beta application at Nvidia's website, under "Drivers" from nvidia.com
[05:37] <ubudork> if i install the 173 driver ubuntu-desktop and a whole lot of x-org files will be removed
[05:38] <benzaldehyde> rigved: I just figured out i have both alternate iso all ready burned to discs, shwew, this is going to be cake. appreciatete the advice though--playstation 3 home use though thanks
[05:38] <bin_bash> Alright, I think I'm going to have to wipe and install natty. While 10.04 installed, nothing works. I can't get any internet. The people in #ubuntu can't seem to help. Any advice?
[05:39] <ubudork> it is the Nvidia GeForce Go7300
[05:42] <benzaldehyde> rigved: this channel is less busy than the other buntu chans--nice to not have ten thousand people asking 90 different questions at once
[05:44] <rigved> benzaldehyde: this channel is for 11.04 related questions only. #ubuntu for question related to 10.04 and 10.10 (9.10 will reach end-of-life soon). #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat
[05:44] <Griemak> That GPU is listed as being the 270.x version.  what do you get when you run "nvidia-settings"?
[05:46] <ubudork> a whole lot of errors
[05:47] <ubudork> unable to asign cursor shadow.. etc... (no display connection
[05:49] <ubudork> all in all just a bunch of: Unable to assign.... Errors
[05:51] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: when i get to 11.04 i will see if i can mirror the error on ppc64 architecture if you can tell me what you are running into
[05:51] <Griemak> doesn't sound like it was loaded/installed properly...  'sudo apt-get remove nvidia-current --purge' followed by a 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-current' may help?
[05:51] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: oh nvm, nvidia
[05:52] <ubudork> benzaldehyde: ??
[05:52] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: i was saying i would try to reproduce the error on my end but i don't have that hardware
[05:53] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: i stepped in half-way through your discussion, just trying to get acclimated
[05:53] <Griemak> I had issues with the Nvidia driver as well, turned out the Kernal (dkms) was corrupt
[05:53] <ubudork> ah.. ok :)
[05:53] <benzaldehyde> you are welcome 'dork' :3
[05:56] <id10t> Hello, Anyone else experience this. Install proprietary ATI 11.3 drivers and unity becomes disabled?
[06:00] <id10t> well im sure if its a real issue a dev will address it....
[06:00] <ubudork> purged and reinstalled... same problem
[06:01] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: you are basicaly dealing with a hardware issue, correct?
[06:01] <ubudork> i dont know..
[06:02] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: k, but i see a lot of talk about nvidia. am i to assume this is the focus of the issue
[06:02] <ubudork> i am only able to use desktop in non FX mode
[06:03] <Griemak> benzaldehyde: my amateur assumption: when he boots no fx, he's fine, otherwise he is frozen and 'nvidia-Settings' is throwing errors
[06:03] <Griemak> whoops... or "her", assuming male is bad :(
[06:03] <ubudork> yes sir
[06:03] <benzaldehyde> Griemak: could it be  conflict with another package?
[06:04] <ubudork> i am a he-man
[06:04] <Griemak> Yes, it could.  He purged and reinstalled nvidia-current and his GPU supports the latest version. Nouveu conflict?
[06:04] <ubudork> Griemak: is correct in the assumption
[06:06] <id10t> Has anyone been able to install the proprietary ati 11.3 drivers and have unity function correctly?
[06:07] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: i know this might not work for you but i had a problem using my mouse, it turned out to be a conflict with xserver-xorg-input-synaptics so i guess what i am saying is keep purging until something does happen but write it down because you may want to install what you take out later
[06:10] <ubudork> hmmmm......  not sure i am up to that. dont really know where to start... and for sure not where to continue
[06:10] <Suhn_> hello
[06:11] <benzaldehyde> Suhn_: numma numma hey, ello
[06:11] <ubudork> guess i will have to wait for a fix or something
[06:11] <Suhn_> i have a bad problam
[06:11] <Suhn_> I just updated to 11.04
[06:11] <Suhn_> But on the boot manager when i select ubuntu, it just restarts the computer
[06:12] <nit-wit> Suhn_, did it upgrade with no errors?
[06:12] <rww> see /topic if you're using Wubi.
[06:12] <Griemak> ubudork: if time permits, you could try a reburn of the ISO and install again with the Beta that was recently pushed
[06:12] <Suhn_> Idk
[06:12] <Suhn_> It might have failed to read a mirror
[06:12] <id10t> Suhn_: if you can load from a live cd/usb follow this tutorial:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202
[06:12] <rww> although iono if it applies to upgrades
[06:12] <Suhn_> i thought i saw something like that
[06:12] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: why not try to purge the same xserver-xorg-input-synaptics seeing how it was a culprit in one instance it may be a source of all hardware probs
[06:12] <Suhn_> I dont have a cd/usb
[06:13] <Suhn_> i had 10.10
[06:13] <id10t> ....
[06:13] <Suhn_> and i did upgrade-manager
[06:13] <Suhn_> at the end of the installation process, it restarts teh computer
[06:13] <Suhn_> well, when it tries to boot up ubuntu it just restarts the computer right when i select ubuntu in the boot manager
[06:14] <nit-wit> Suhn_, you need a cd to reload grub to the mbr
[06:14] <id10t> do you mean grub?
[06:14] <Suhn_> I have no idea what that means
[06:15] <id10t> please read this tutorial, I had the same problem and this fixed it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202
[06:15] <Suhn_> ok
[06:15] <Suhn_> ill do it tomorrow
[06:15] <Suhn_> g2g
[06:15] <nit-wit> perfect link.:)
[06:15] <Suhn_> ugh
[06:15] <Suhn_> what a hastle
[06:15] <id10t> it takes a couple min's top
[06:15] <ubudork> benzaldehyde: what is culprit? do you mean that i should pugre all xserver-xorg packets?
[06:16] <Suhn_> I cant do any of that
[06:16] <Suhn_> because i cant get access to ubuntu tho
[06:16] <id10t> have faith in your self
[06:16] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: no, just give that one a try. if it does not do the deed, reinstall
[06:16] <id10t> use a live cd
[06:16] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: the package, not the entire system
[06:16] <ubudork> ok.. ill try
[06:16] <Suhn_> Ok
[06:17] <Suhn_> the only thing i can get to is windows
[06:17] <Suhn_> Do i boot from the cd?
[06:17] <id10t> yes
[06:17] <id10t> boot from a live cd of ubuntu then follow the tutorial I linked you to
[06:17] <Suhn_> This is a huge document what does it do?
[06:18] <ubudork> will i be able to use the mouse pad then
[06:18] <ubudork> ?
[06:18] <id10t> Grub is a boot manager, you need to reinstall it. The section you need to read is relatively short
[06:18] <ubudork> if not im lost :P
[06:19] <Suhn_> Im not sure what section it is but....
[06:19] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: you ought to. purging this was the solution for my non ability to use th mouse pad
[06:20] <ubudork> ok.. ill have to take the chance then
[06:21] <ubudork> i also want to remove xserver-xorg-input-all
[06:21] <ubudork> not i... it
[06:21] <ubudork> synaptic
[06:21] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: if however you can not, just alt+ctrl+f1 for a shell and sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and it should be back. might have to cycle gdm, i.e. sudo service gdm stop/start
[06:22] <ubudork> ok
[06:22] <ubudork> mouse still works :)
[06:23] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: what about the FX
[06:23] <ubudork> reinstalling nvidia now
[06:24] <ubudork> maybe that was not nessecary?
[06:24] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: balancing wireless keyboard on top of skull
[06:24] <ubudork> :P
[06:25] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: what was not neccessary?
[06:25] <thiebaude> since i dont use compiz, i did not install my nvidia drivers :)
[06:25] <slyrus> so... I've got a natty system that I want to migrate to a larger volume... any suggestions on how I need to partition the drive/boot flags/etc...?
[06:26] <ubudork> the reinstall?
[06:26] <slyrus> df -k
[06:26] <slyrus> q
[06:27] <slyrus> oops.. wrong keyboard...
[06:27] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: well your card depends on that package, does it not?
[06:28] <ubudork> still no luck
[06:28] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: crap crap double crap
[06:29] <ubudork> yes sir
[06:29] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: what is the specs of this card and name of the package
[06:29] <Griemak> ubudork: have you rebooted to build the kernal module?
[06:30] <ubudork> and i think i  will have to reinstall the input packages.. i have a over sensitive mouse pad now
[06:30] <ubudork> :)
[06:30] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: yeah it was only a conflict for me in 9.10, it was a long shot
[06:31] <DrakasX> Natty definitely runs smoother in Ubuntu Classic, Unity ran horribly
[06:32] <ubudork> ok.. i forgott to mention that everything worked just fine in 10.10 before upgrade. dont remember what nvidia driver it was. but it was the current for 10.10
[06:33] <DrakasX> Having nVidia problems?
[06:33] <DrakasX> whats your chipset?
[06:34] <ubudork> it is the Nvidia GeForce Go7300
[06:34] <DrakasX> did you check for Additional Drivers?
[06:34] <ubudork> in synaptic?
[06:35] <DrakasX> System>Administration>Additional Drivers
[06:35] <ubudork> only the current present there
[06:36] <DrakasX> is it activated/installed?
[06:36] <ubudork> activated and installed
[06:37] <ubudork> nvidia-settings give alot of assignment errors
[06:37] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: activated, installed but you can't get any use out of it
[06:37] <ubudork> yes sir
[06:38] <DrakasX> restart the service?
[06:38] <benzaldehyde> DrakasX: isn't there a gnome safe mode?
[06:38] <benzaldehyde> DrakasX: that ubudork could try
[06:38] <DrakasX> yeah but you have to boot in to it via grub
[06:38] <ubudork> i have restarted the computer many times.. does that count for restarting service?
[06:39] <benzaldehyde> DrakasX: i meant before logging in when you start up the gui at the bottom, i vaguely remember seeing another gnome choice in that box
[06:40] <DrakasX> benzaldehyde: I'm not sure, don't remember seeing that
[06:40] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: click switch user and see if you can switch gnome at the bottom
[06:40] <DrakasX> did you try $ nvidia-xconfig  ?
[06:41] <benzaldehyde> ubudork: i would try it but i am upgrading
[06:43] <ubudork> nvidia-xconfig gives some warnings and a error
[06:43] <Griemak> ubudork: a clean install  may be needed instead of an upgrade, did you do the upgrade while the Beta was being pushed out? (package conflict)
[06:44] <ubudork> it is a upgrade yes
[06:45] <DrakasX> I think im gonna start updating with pre-release updates
[06:46] <Griemak> try a 'sudo apt-get update' followed by 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' in a terminal window and see if any packages need updating (probably not, worth a shot)
[06:46] <DrakasX> cant he go in to recovery and run dpkg? or computer janitor it up?
[06:47] <ubudork> ah good idea.. but then i will have to log off here meanwhile. im using a mobile modem and am on my windows computer atm..
[06:54] <lazyPower> Amaranth: uhm, one problem. I dont see the ubuntu logo
[06:55] <lazyPower> its just a grey bar with applets on it
[07:15] <spirals> !radeon
[07:21] <Chr|s> I tried to upgrade to latest beta, was unable to nagigate properly. everything turned black when opened and moved around. It was quite odd
[07:22] <Chr|s> any suggestions?
[07:50] <phibxr> What is the purpose of the backlight in Unity? The colors seem quite random to me.
[08:01] <Lars__> hi
[08:01] <Lars__> sb here ?
[08:06] <bazhang> yes
[08:10] <Lars__> I'm interested in your! openion
[08:10] <Lars__> Do you like the unity ?
[08:11] <bazhang> Lars__, #ubuntu-offtopic for chat please
[08:12] <Lars__> ok
[08:21] <spirals> got the nepomuk crash on login in KDE 4.6/11.04, purged akonadi/nepomuk/kontact and their dependencies then reinstalled them per http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3115999.0
[08:48] <doodoo> unity is really laggy with fglrx....anyone know how to solve this?
[08:57] <benzaldehyde> Okay so i upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 by placing 10.10 alternate in the drive. that went great. now comes the sucky part, i put the 11.04 alternate in the drive, nothing happened. am i missing something? i thought this was an easy one two operation
[09:03] <trance> ok i'm having an issue with 11.04 (yes i know it's beta), and ics
[09:03] <benzaldehyde> has anyone upgraded to 11.04 from 10.10?
[09:03] <trance> i'm trying to share a wifi internet connection through another adapter, both adapters are recognized, and i've done this on windows so i know everything is set up right
[09:03] <trance> i can share it
[09:04] <trance> but for some reason i can't get UbuntuAdhoc to go to wep, if it's unsecured it gets ip etc fine, but if i enable wep it doesn't work for some reason
[09:04] <trance> also when i do enable wep, upon rebooting, the network appears (showing from other computers) and is connectable to, without security
[09:04] <benzaldehyde> trance: how did you get from 10.10 to 11.04
[09:04] <trance> even though i set it up for a wep key and saved it
[09:04] <trance> i didn't
[09:04] <trance> i downloaded 11.04 and installed it
[09:04] <trance> via usb flash drive
[09:05] <trance> mind you i have a ubuntu router set up (that's being used too but it isn't good for my phone thus i use an ad-hoc network for my phone and ubuntu-router for my other pc)
[09:05] <trance> so i know what it should look like somewhat
[09:06] <trance> with wep enabled it seems the only issue is i can't get an ip from the ad-hoc network on other devices
[09:06] <benzaldehyde> trance: if you were had 10.10 installed how could you upgrade to 11.04 if say you had a disc with 11.04 on it
[09:06] <trance> when did i say i upgraded?
[09:06] <benzaldehyde> trance: this is the 11.04 room
[09:07] <trance> yes
[09:07] <trance> and i didn't have ubuntu installed before, i have used it before, but it wasn't installed, i did a fresh install from the 11.04 disk
[09:07] <benzaldehyde> trance: oh
[09:07] <trance> i fail to see how that's relevant to my issue though
[09:08] <benzaldehyde> trance: it'snot
[09:08] <benzaldehyde> trance: before you came along i was asking how to upgrade, no one responded
[09:08] <trance> because if you read the main page for 11.04 you would know
[09:09] <benzaldehyde> trance: i do a lot of reading, i've been from 9.10 to 10.04 to 10.10, i was here earlier and someone had mentioned the process was the same
[09:11] <trance> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[09:11] <trance> To upgrade from Ubuntu 10.10 on a desktop system, press Alt+F2, type in "update-manager -d" (without the quotes), and press Enter. Update Manager will open up and display the message, "New distribution release '11.04' is available." Click Upgrade and follow the on-screen instructions.
[09:11] <benzaldehyde> trance: i have done that, it errored
[09:12] <benzaldehyde> trance: said d:\\\yaddayaddaydadda
[09:14] <trance> yeah fuck this
[09:14] <trance> how many years now and something as simple as ics still fucks up
[09:14] <trance> back to winblows, at least it works without 3 hours of bullshit
[09:14] <rww> trance: watch the language, please.
[09:16] <benzaldehyde> rww: what is ics
[09:16] <rww> !ics
[09:16] <rww> (Internet Connection Sharing)
[09:18] <benzaldehyde> rww: so basically he was using his ubuntu machine as a router for another computer?
[09:18] <rww> benzaldehyde: that's one way of looking at it
[09:20] <benzaldehyde> rww: would that mean that he was wired and then runing his adapter in ad hoc to boost the signal into the air for another to capture and connect to it?
[09:22] <benzaldehyde> i need to reboot, bbl
[09:33] <Lars__> who from you like the unity ?
[09:38] <carli2> hi
[09:38] <carli2> when i press the super button, the menu appears after a delay
[09:38] <Lars__> carli2: do you like new unity
[09:38] <Lars__> carli: what ubuntu what hard ware
[09:38] <carli2> i found no settings manager which can handle this
[09:38] <carli2> natty,
[09:38] <carli2> unity
[09:38] <carli2> atom cpu+intel onboard
[09:39] <Lars__> okay
[09:39] <Lars__> expert says to slow
[09:39] <Lars__> too
[09:39] <carli2> Lars_: good in general, but menu delays are annoying me and i have problems to find the right settings managers
[09:39] <carli2> i found out how to set the alt+tab delay to 0ms and it works
[09:40] <carli2> is there a way to turn of slide in animations of the left bar?
[09:41] <Lars__> yes
[09:41] <Lars__> compiz must be removed then
[09:42] <carli2> isnt there a compiz setting like it was with alt+tab switcher?
[09:42] <Lars__> must
[09:42] <Lars__> look in compiz
[09:42] <Lars__> there is something like this
[09:42] <Lars__> but i dont know in reminder
[09:43] <carli2> for the animation i could switch between some animation kinds, but there was no option "none"
[09:44] <carli2> natty should have a clear settings manager list menu
[09:45] <Lars__> yes
[09:46] <carli2> the global menu in synaptics is buggy
[09:46] <carli2> it has a local menu and in the global menu there is only a "file->close"
[09:47] <carli2> how many developers are working at natty in the moment?
[09:49] <carli2> ah, this time the decorator crashed it was able to restart :)
[09:50] <carli2> and the pidgin menu completely fails
[09:50] <carli2> how can i disable the global menu?
[09:53] <carli2> the left menu also hides parts of my maximized window
[09:57] <carli2> re
[09:59] <Lars__> wb
[10:00] <cousin_mario> Hello.
[10:01] <cousin_mario> Unity stinks so much it crashes Virtualbox.
[10:01] <carli2> :D
[10:09] <gb__> ello
[10:09] <gb__> how do i enable compiz on new natty?
[10:10] <gb__> i dont see desktop effect option
[10:11] <gb__> anyone?
[10:12] <Lars__> you need the graphics driver
[10:12] <gb__> LarsTorben:  ok
[10:13] <LarsTorben> you can install it by jockey
[10:26] <mongy> is fglrx ok to install?
[10:27] <carli2> which graphics card do you have?
[10:35] <mongy> radeon 4650hd
[10:35] <mongy> 1gig 4650hd, mobility version
[10:36] <mongy> I know it works in 10.10, just asking if its 'ok' in natty yet
[10:36] <mrdeb> are you on 11.04
[10:36] <mongy> yeah
[10:36] <mrdeb> do you like unity
[10:36] <mrdeb> i find it harder to find things and it's slower
[10:36] <mongy> default driver is chugging along :(
[10:37] <carli2> mongy: you should use fglrx or use the ppa from xorg-edgers
[10:37] <mongy> I like it as a concept and it will help the less experienced users a bit more I think than default gnome desktop, but I will most likely use compizconfig gestures and 1 panel.  just find it simpler and more efficient
[10:38] <mongy> same as I use 10.10
[10:38] <SwedeMike> I couldn't even find terminal at all using unity, I gave up after a few minutes and logged out and logged in using "classic ubuntu"
[10:38] <mongy> carli2, Ill give fglrx a try, see if it trashes my system or not :
[10:38] <mrdeb> yeah
[10:38] <mrdeb> you have to hit the windows key and A
[10:38] <mrdeb> or ctrl alt t
[10:38] <mrdeb> the classic desktop is also messed up kind of
[10:39] <mongy> hit the lense, type ter , see terminal, click
[10:39] <carli2> mongy: fglrx is stable, but a lot of features (console resolution, dri2) do not work
[10:39] <mongy> mrdeb, yeah, I have to remove indicator-appmenu and soemthing else to get traditional desktop setup right
[10:39] <carli2> yeah what i like on unity is the windows-like windows-button where i can start programs
[10:40] <mrdeb> i dont know
[10:40] <mrdeb> i alays start programs with alt f2
[10:40] <mrdeb> so the icons are a waste of both space and cpu resource to me
[10:40] <mrdeb> but it is good for beginners
[10:40] <mongy> I much prefer desktop wall sliding to be paralax and not this visual full desktop switch... any idea how to fix it?
[10:41] <mongy> at the mo when I scroll wheel on free area it switches viewport, but its ugly
[10:41] <mongy> Id like it the same as 10.10
[10:42] <carli2> how to set the default gnome browser to opera instead of firefox?
[10:42] <mongy> 'preferred applications'
[10:43] <carli2> ctrl+backspace does not work in edit window of unity
[10:43] <carli2> i can only chose firefox in pref.apps
[10:43] <carli2> theres no way to set another
[10:43] <mongy> hmm, odd.  works with chrome
[10:44] <carli2> its a list with one item
[10:44] <carli2> where can i extend this list?
[10:44] <mongy> I think there is some dpkg-reconfigure command for browser
[10:45] <carli2> what if the browser does not make an entry to the gnome-list?
[10:45] <carli2> there should be a second way to make this entry
[10:49] <carli2> user-unfriendly to let the user set the browser via gconf-editor
[10:54] <carli2> i also cannot set the default browser in gconf
[10:54] <carli2> :D
[10:54] <carli2> :S
[10:59] <carli2> mongy: reconfigure did not work
[11:01] <mongy> fglrx just gave me a blacked out screen.  I could see the session menu when I blindly clicked on it, and a patch or 2 of wallpaper but totally unusable.
[11:02] <mongy> and an expo mode when I initiated (bottom left corner)... it was a lot smoother, as I expected..
[11:02] <carli2> mesa driver is better, but a but slower. you should build from souce, that garantees that bugs are fixed permanently
[11:03] <carli2> opera is not in the list of browsers :S
[11:03] <carli2> where can i add it manually?
[11:03] <robin0800> where is the settings for dash or lens in unity 2d need to change browser?
[11:04] <Chr|s> I must say I don't care for Unity
[11:34] <rick__> Hello I´ve a problem with Natty
[11:34] <rick__> The screen is completely dark on my Acer Aspire 5732z notebook
[11:35] <rick__> GPU: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[11:36] <rick__> Can somebody help my?
[11:43] <coz_> good day all
[11:50] <mrdeb> what is good about kernel 38
[11:50] <MikeChelen> is there any way to disable ubuntu one notifications, without disabling ubuntu one itself?
[11:56] <mongy> in the u1 program, devices
[12:03] <kroson> hi people what is the better one? unity or gnome shell?
[12:03] <kroson> haven't tried any so far
[12:03] <kroson> xD
[12:04] <SwedeMike> try it and find out. It's subjective.
[12:05] <kroson> SwedeMike: what do u think of both?
[12:05] <docx_cz_most> Hi, I'm testing 11.04 beta, and my question is: how can I change the default app shortcuts in lancher? (firefox,evolution,shotwell and rhythmbox?)
[12:05] <coz_> kroson,   in my opinion,, based on the last time I used gnome-shell...Unity is by far less resource intensive and much smoother
[12:05] <SwedeMike> kroson: I don't like unity.
[12:06] <coz_> docx_cz_most,  well   open an application,, the launcher icon for that application will show up and you just right click and Keep on launcher
[12:06] <coz_> docx_cz_most,  or right click and remove one
[12:06] <SwedeMike> or... I don't really know what I'm talking about, I don't like the default way 11.04 presents itself to its user with menus etc.
[12:06] <kroson> coz_: gnome-shell is close to final now
[12:06] <kroson> SwedeMike: its still not final
[12:06] <coz_> kroson,  oh!  but it uses mutter  ,, I prefer compiz as a compositor
[12:06] <SwedeMike> kroson: I am well aware of that, thanks.
[12:07] <kroson> coz_: is mutter more limited?
[12:07] <docx_cz_most> coz_: Maybe I wrote it wrong :) I mean shortcuts when you click on the "ubuntu button"
[12:07] <coz_> SwedeMike,  you can log off  then  log onto the classic gnome desktop
[12:07] <coz_> kroson,  well it was far more resource intensive  last time I tried , to the point, I gave up on it
[12:07] <SwedeMike> coz_: yes, I discovered that, it helps.
[12:08] <coz_> docx_cz_most,  oh!  isnt there now a launcher for  for open search etc ?
[12:08] <kroson> SwedeMike: i think unity will be perfect only for 12.04 LTS
[12:08] <kroson> in that time it will be brilliant xD
[12:08] <SwedeMike> but then again, I tend to run "classic mode" on windows xp and later, as well.
[12:09] <coz_> I dont intend to use Unity other than for support , perhaps,, I dont like it and it is absolutely useless on screens larger than 15"  and I will always say that
[12:10] <docx_cz_most> coz_: there are search box at the top and 4 "folders" (media apps, internet apps,..) and 4 apps icons below - these I like to change :).
[12:10] <kroson> coz_: in terms of usability, whats the difference between unity and gnome-shell?
[12:10] <coz_> kroson,  last time..again... it was odd looking,,, not easily understood by average user,, resource intensive,, and plain ugly
[12:10] <kroson> coz_: i think it takes a similar approach to mac/iOS
[12:10] <kroson> with some things that make windows good, too
[12:11] <coz_> docx_cz_most,  I am not sure then guy
[12:11] <SwedeMike> kroson: there are plenty of articles to be found that looks into this topic, for instance http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/gnome-shell-vs-ubuntu-unity-which-desktop-wins/2291
[12:12] <coz_> The problem with Unity on a desktop system, is that most people no longer have small monitors.. global menu,, on unity,, is nearly the same as mac's menuing system,,,  but people forget that the reason mac had that was because they only had 9" screens,, it saved realestate and traveling from the window to closing it was right above the window
[12:13] <coz_> on large screens or dual monitors global menu is a hinderance and by no means   an advantage ,, it slows work time buy at least 1/3
[12:13] <coz_> I cant understand apple still using that menuing system
[12:13] <docx_cz_most> coz_: i mean this (http://img705.imageshack.us/i/unityshortcuts.png/) :)
[12:14] <coz_> docx_cz_most,  ah yes,, I generally havent used that one,, on the launcher panel ...there should be 2 clear backgrounded icons at the bottom...one of them is a menu ,, I generall use that one
[12:15] <coz_> docx_cz_most,  as far as chaning those icons on that screenshot,  I  really dont know if its possible,, you may want to stick around here and ask some of the people more experienced or knowledgeable about that
[12:15] <docx_cz_most> coz_: ok, thank you :)
[12:16] <coz_> docx_cz_most,  just stick around I am sure someone will have a yes or no  answer for that
[12:16] <coz_> docx_cz_most,  you can also go to the #ayatana  channel where most of the developers are... i am not sure how open they are to questions like this..so be  easy going :)
[12:17] <hacknslash> Well I like the unity interface, however it is not functional on my little netbook. So I have reverted to the usual desktop.
[12:18] <kroson> hacknslash: yea, you will have that option
[12:18] <kroson> i think unity has potential to be great, but needs time
[12:18] <hacknslash> kroson,  i agree
[12:18] <hacknslash> kroson, I like the single file menu too
[12:18] <kroson> but i praise canonical for trying to be different
[12:19] <kroson> with unity, ubuntu will be different from others, that will use kde or gnome-shell
[12:19] <docx_cz_most> coz_: ok then, I'll try luck there :) But i discovered that system setting's "preffered apps" is connected with this, but only web and email client.. other (music and photo) not :(
[12:19] <hacknslash> kroson, me too, and all the developer bods too
[12:19] <coz_> docx_cz_most,  ok,, sorry I couldnt help,, I havent been playing with Unity for a few weeks now
[12:20] <docx_cz_most> coz_: its ok, i understand :) but thank you for answer. bye
[12:20] <coz_> no problem
[12:28] <phibxr> How are the backlight colors in Unity for different applications picked, and what is the reason for them being there?
[12:29] <kroson> can we disable compiz in unity?
[12:30] <phibxr> kroson, you can run unity-2d.
[12:30] <kroson> phibxr: but inside unity 3d, it cant be disabled?
[12:31] <Sentynel> Hi guys, testing 11.04 beta and it looks like something in libglib2.0-dev is wonky and it's failing on its own includes - http://pastebin.com/9MBTeD6p example errors here, but I've had the same with more than one project. Where do I need to report this?
[12:32] <phibxr> kroson, I don't think so, no.
[12:35] <coz_> kroson,  yeah there should be 4 options under sessions when  you log in,,, Unity...Unity-2d..classic gnome...classic gnome(no effects)
[12:35] <coz_> kroson,  Unity and classic gnome use compiz   the other two do not
[12:36] <kroson> ok
[12:36] <robin0800> coz unity 2d has to be installed
[12:36] <kroson> but why 3D gfx cards will get 3d unity by default and 2d gfx cards wont get unity 2d?
[12:36] <coz_> robin0800,  ah yes sorry ,, I forgot,,
[12:37] <coz_> kroson,   install Unity-2d from synaptic package manager,,,lof off and choose that session
[12:37] <coz_> log off rather
[12:39] <coz_> although , it seems reasonble to have Unity-2d already installed
[12:39] <robin0800> kroson, note if you use the software centre it does not install all the packages needed
[12:40] <kroson> coz_: i agree
[12:40] <robin0800> think its a space thing
[12:40] <coz_> robin0800,  maybe so I didnt check the packages  size
[12:41] <robin0800> coz no room on cd
[12:41] <coz_> let me check on the natty machine
[12:44] <coz_> robin0800,  mm all the unity packages total just over 2 megs
[12:45] <coz_> rather Unity-2d packages
[12:51] <kroson> do you know if unity 3d is already working with fglrx latest version?
[13:01] <hacknslash> bummer, cant install ubuntu-tweak_0.5.10-1_all.deb using gdebi
[13:02] <Sentynel> It looks like the includes for a bunch of things have ended up partially in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu with the rest in /usr/include as expected, and as a result it goes tits up when trying to build. Fixed glib by symlinking the offending file, and I have the same issue with dbus.
[13:04] <Dart> i can't find wine apps in any catagory in dash...where to find them?
[13:10]  * penguin42 is having issues with wifi on +1 on an eeepc, it's not authenticating; is this general or just for this hardware - Lucid is working
[13:13] <bazhang> penguin42, what chipset
[13:14] <bazhang> the attansic?
[13:14] <penguin42> rt3090 according to lspci
[13:14] <bazhang> ah right , a newer eeepc then
[13:14] <penguin42> yeh, it's a 1001ha
[13:15] <bazhang> the attansic is in the kernel iirc, original 701 4G
[13:15] <penguin42> bazhang: Thing is it shows up, finds the network and asks for the password but then never connects
[13:15] <bazhang> penguin42, thats odd. maybe launchpad has something
[13:16] <agrab> I noticed I was asked to install fglrx when I downloaded the beta. Does this mean they've been updated to work with unity?
[13:16] <penguin42> yeh I'll have a dig when I get home
[13:17] <kroson> agrab: wanted to know the same
[13:17] <bazhang> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/541620
[13:18] <bazhang> seems to be it
[13:18] <bazhang> still an issue with natty
[13:20] <bazhang> penguin42, ^
[13:22] <storrgie> In 11.04 how do I mount remote locations (ssh) graphically?
[13:22] <penguin42> bazhang: Ah thanks
[13:23] <bazhang> ssh +X ?
[13:23] <penguin42> bazhang: I think what I'm seeing is one of the comments near the end - two drivers are getting loaded and neither ends up working
[13:24] <bazhang> penguin42, seems to be
[13:25] <psypher246> hello all\
[13:25] <bazhang> hi
[13:25] <psypher246> is there anyone here who can help me with a packge removal problem
[13:25] <penguin42> psypher246: What happens?
[13:25] <psypher246> i tried installing sbackup and that has broken apt completely now
[13:25] <penguin42> how does it error?
[13:25] <psypher246> due to a bug in sbackup installation
[13:25] <penguin42> what is the error?
[13:26] <psypher246> when trying to install anything i get:
[13:26] <psypher246> Extracting templates from packages: 100%
[13:26] <psypher246> Preconfiguring packages ...
[13:26] <psypher246> (Reading database ... 191831 files and directories currently installed.)
[13:26] <psypher246> Removing sbackup-gtk ...
[13:26] <psypher246> gtk-update-icon-cache: The generated cache was invalid.
[13:26] <psypher246> dpkg: error processing sbackup-gtk (--remove):
[13:26] <bazhang> pastebin
[13:26] <psypher246>  subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[13:26] <psypher246> Errors were encountered while processing:
[13:26] <psypher246>  sbackup-gtk
[13:26] <psypher246> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[13:26] <psypher246> and nothing i am doing will remomve the sbackup
[13:26] <bazhang> :/
[13:27] <psypher246> tried: sudo apt-get remove sbackup-gtk --purge
[13:27] <psypher246> sudo dpkg --force-all -r sbackup-gtk
[13:27] <psypher246> still same error
[13:27] <psypher246> so now i can;t run updates or install new apps
[13:28] <penguin42> hmm looks related to the icon cache error
[13:28] <psypher246> any workaroubnds?
[13:28] <penguin42> what happens if you run sudo gtk-update-icon-cache  ?
[13:29] <psypher246> nopthing
[13:30] <penguin42> hmm it's just the  psypher246: gtk-update-icon-cache: The generated cache was invalid. line looks like the issue
[13:33] <psypher246> penguin42: so any ideas? is there anyway to clear the pkg cache and start again, really don't want to reinstall but pat- is now stuck
[13:33] <psypher246> apt*
[13:34] <penguin42> give me  a sec
[13:36] <penguin42> ok, can you do a find / -name \*.cache
[13:36] <penguin42> I think it might be worth deleting the cache file
[13:38] <delac> hey, does anyone know if the compiz 0.9.4 in Natty has the new "minimized window preview"-property?
[13:39] <psypher246> penguin42: as root?
[13:41] <penguin42> psypher246: Yeh
[13:42] <psypher246> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/588603/
[13:43] <penguin42> psypher246: Try nuking everything called icon-theme.cache
[13:44] <penguin42> psypher246: I think the following command could do it but BE CAREFUL IT MIGHT DO HORRIBLE THINGS - find / -name \*icon-theme.cache -exec rm {} \;
[13:45] <psypher246> penguin42: done
[13:45] <penguin42> ok, now try removing that package
[13:45] <psypher246> nope :(
[13:45] <penguin42> same error?
[13:46] <psypher246> yeah
[13:46] <penguin42> hmph
[13:48] <penguin42> ok, can you look in /var/lib/dpkg/info there should be an sbuilder.blah where blah is prerm and postrm etc
[13:49] <psypher246> you mean sbackup, but yes i see those files
[13:53] <psypher246> penguin42: must i delete them?
[13:53] <penguin42> psypher246: I think you should be able to get dpkg to --purge a package and not run the remvoe scripts, or you can attack those remove files to get them to skip the cache stuff that's breaking
[13:54] <penguin42> shouldn't need to however
[13:55] <psypher246> dpkg --purge doesn;t work
[13:55] <mnk> hi all
[13:55] <psypher246> so which files should i remove, i read i just need to delete the postrm but that didn't work
[13:56] <psypher246> weird
[13:56] <psypher246> i just remnoved it again and NOW it's working
[13:56] <mnk> anyone know how to enable the corner hotspots which allow me to move my mouse to a corner and then for example show desktop, or to another corner to see all workspaces?
[13:56] <mnk> in natty of course
[13:56] <mnk> btw unity rocks
[13:57] <psypher246> mnk: yeah i'm LOVING it
[13:57] <mnk> i think it's a great start
[13:57] <psypher246> spacially the use of super key and numbers
[13:57] <psypher246> super 1 firefox open
[13:57] <psypher246> super shit 1 new firefox open
[13:57] <psypher246> super 1 again scale all open firefox windows
[13:57] <mnk> i think u mean shift ;)
[13:57] <psypher246> super ctrl 1 and all firefox wibndows are in foreground\
[13:58] <penguin42> psypher246: OK, be careful - it shouldn't need to have had that hack
[13:58] <psypher246> lol yes shift
[13:58] <psypher246> so friggen cool
[13:58] <mnk> haha penguin42
[13:58] <psypher246> penguin42: yeah thanks will keep in mind
[13:58] <psypher246> but yeah upgrading now, so can try new features
[13:58] <psypher246> :D
[13:59] <mnk> unity takes no crap from its users i say
[13:59] <mnk> ;)
[13:59] <mnk> ahem
[13:59] <mnk> anyway back to my question
[13:59] <mnk> anyone know the answer?
[13:59] <psypher246> sorry
[13:59] <psypher246> um
[14:00] <delac> mnk: unfortunately I couldnt myself get the ccsm installed (couldnt get the repos to load), but the settings are there and you can edit them from gconf -> apps ->compiz
[14:00] <mnk> i want to enable the corner hotspots which allow me to move my mouse to a corner and then for example show desktop, or to another corner to see all workspaces in natty
[14:00] <mnk> aah
[14:00] <mnk> so will compiz show all workspaces in unity?
[14:00] <mnk> like the way it does when u click on 'workspaces' in the launcher?
[14:00] <psypher246> for the all workspaces one, try expo edge setting
[14:01] <delac> mnk: yes
[14:01] <mnk> wooohoooo
[14:01] <mnk> it worked :)
[14:01] <mnk> expo edge setting it was
[14:02] <delac> mnk:  and you can set the number of workspaces from the compiz->general (hsize, vsize)
[14:02] <mnk> so what would be the show desktop one?
[14:02] <mnk> thanks delac
[14:03] <mnk> and psypher246
[14:04] <mnk> aah it's in general
[14:05] <psypher246> super s will also show the edxpo mode
[14:05] <mnk> cool
[14:05] <mnk> i like
[14:06] <mnk> aaah
[14:06] <mnk> now we're talking
[14:06] <mnk> it is saving me like a zillion clicks
[14:06] <mnk> i love it
[14:07] <mnk> ok next thing
[14:07] <mnk> how do i get the panel indicators back???
[14:07] <mnk> i want that network speed applet!!!!!!!
[14:09] <delac> mnk: unfortunately for that you need to start the desktop in the gnome classic mode
[14:09] <mnk> oh great. now my global menu has gone mad. i can only see 'file -> close' and nothing else in anything, fiefox, terminal, etc
[14:09] <mnk> drat delac
[14:09] <delac> mnk: I had the same bug too
[14:10] <mnk> how did u fix it?
[14:10] <mnk> don't say restart the session!!!!
[14:10] <delac> mnk: I think it was enough to restart the program
[14:10] <mnk> it's for every program
[14:10] <mnk> lol
[14:11] <delac> mnk: for me it was only Terminal, and only on one instance
[14:11] <mnk> hmm
[14:12] <mnk> i restarted ff and it's ok now
[14:12] <mnk> but i guess i'll have to restart everything
[14:12] <mnk> grr
[14:13] <delac> mnk: yes, this thing is quite not ready for production use yet
[14:16] <mongy> talkin of compiz and expo, I normally have left edge - button 2 as expo, button3 something, button 1 yadayada, well, in natty edges dont work.
[14:17] <mongy> not edges with clicks anyway.  I can set a straight simple screen edge to trigger them..but not what I really want.
[14:29] <delac> mongy: well, you are right, it doesn't seem to work anymore. At least not with the same gconf value (<XEdge>ButtonN) as it used to. I recommend you file a bug.
[14:31] <carli2> hi
[14:32] <carli2> i cannot set my standardbrowser with unity
[14:32] <carli2> there is a dropdown list with only one item
[14:32] <carli2> no more text input field
[14:32] <carli2> i want to use opera as my browser
[14:32] <carli2> i also tried to edit gconf, but no effect
[14:33] <carli2> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser is also set
[14:35] <carli2> >:O gnome-www-browser has a firefox-only-starter-script
[14:36] <delac> I'm been trying to get the new keep_minimized_windows (in workarounds) to work with expo. The workaround does show preview of minimized windows in e.g. alt-tab, but expo still wont show them at all. Any way to force expo to show minimized windows too?
[14:36] <carli2> and i dont find any settings in unity...
[14:37] <carli2> except i know the exact name of the settings dialog
[14:37] <carli2> guys, instead of unity, i could also use a console and have more power
[14:38] <penguin42> carli2: There is some magic involving the xdg- tools as well that involves mappings of where the tools for particular file types are stored - not quite sure where it stores it though, and I'm not sure if web browsers are included in the xdg stuff
[14:39] <carli2> when i try to set the url launcher in pidgin, it leads me to a settings dialog with one list item: firefox
[14:39] <carli2> i dont know where the list comes from
[14:39] <carli2> or if it is a fixed item and an unfinished dialog
[14:41] <carli2> /etc/xdg does not contain the word "firefox"
[14:41] <carli2> maybe i should simply simlink opera to firefox-bin?
[14:41] <carli2> what would happen if i remove firefox? would gnome fail to boot?
[14:42] <carli2> where is that list?
[14:44] <penguin42> carli2: for the x-www-browser look at the update-alternatives commands, not sure about xdg
[14:44] <penguin42> carli2: I'm surprised opera haven't set this up (I don't use it myself)
[14:44] <charlie-tca> carli2: firefox is not needed to boot.
[14:44] <carli2> opera set this up (in ubuntu 10.10 it worked)
[14:44] <carli2> but just tell me where it is set up
[14:45] <penguin42> charlie-tca: It would be a scary distro that needed it!
[14:45] <Suhn> Hey anyonehy here?
[14:45] <bazhang> yes
[14:45] <charlie-tca> Windows needs IE to boot
[14:46] <Atamisk> is it a well known bug that the appearance of the top-menu in natty just sort of does it's own thing?
[14:46] <Suhn> Ok, so last night, i updated to ubuntu 11.04. At the end of the installation process it prompted for reboot. I rebooted. I got to the screen where i select between windows and ubuntu. (Boot manager). And when i hit ubuntu it just restarts my computer and im right back to the boot manager
[14:47] <carli2> Suhn: try to not touch your touchpad
[14:47] <Suhn> um i dont
[14:48] <penguin42> Suhn: Does it immediately reboot having selected ubuntu or is there any stuff on the screen? Did you use wubi installer?
[14:48] <Atamisk> like if i change the appearance & colour of the windows, the top-menu stays the same color. but when i restart X, it shows up as something entirely different from both my settings AND the default. wtf?
[14:48] <carli2> the browser is set in update-alternatives :o
[14:48] <Suhn> I used wubi for my initial install of 10.10. It has a line of words before it shuts off but they pop up to fast the read
[14:49] <penguin42> Suhn: It's just there is a note saying that wubi is broken in the natty images
[14:49] <penguin42> but I've never used it so I'm not sure what the implications are
[14:49] <carli2> ARRGH gnome ignores the alternative settings
[14:49] <carli2> i will remove firefox and see what happpens
[14:50] <carli2> maybe i can set a symlink then
[14:50] <Atamisk> carli2: what's firefox doing?
[14:50] <carli2> Atmisk: it's launching when i click on links
[14:50] <Suhn> penguin42: i was told something about reinstalling grub
[14:51] <Atamisk> in the main menu or on a launcher button?
[14:51] <carli2> Atamisk: i cannot set alternatives to firefox. but update-alternatives said i already installed them
[14:52] <Atamisk> hmm
[14:52] <carli2> so i now remove it and set a symlink from firefox-bin to opera
[14:52] <Atamisk> does links come up if you type links into a terminal?
[14:52] <Atamisk> ah
[14:52] <carli2> i try to set the default browser.
[14:52] <Atamisk> well, if that works for you, i can't see a problem with it!
[14:52] <carli2> but there is no alternative
[14:53] <Atamisk> yes, i've run into that issue
[14:53] <carli2> opera is installed, but it's not on the list
[14:53] <carli2> in 10.10 it was
[14:53] <carli2> and it's also set up in alternatives/
[14:54] <carli2> ah :)
[14:54] <carli2> removing firefox fixed the issue
[14:54] <Atamisk> good!
[14:54] <carli2> ubuntu becomes more and more like windows
[14:55] <Suhn> penguin24: you still there?
[14:55] <bazhang> not really topical carli2
[14:55] <trancegeek> after installing the ati proprietary drivers on 11.04 fully up-to-date and restarting the screen is full of black boxes that move around when you move the mouse/click on things etc, any ideas how i can resolve this?
[14:55] <bazhang> feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic though carli2
[14:55] <trancegeek> using an onboard radeon 4250 i believe
[14:55] <carli2> bazhang: when sth. does not work after the upgrade to natty is offtopic?
[14:55] <Suhn>  Ok, so last night, i updated to ubuntu 11.04. At the end of the installation process it prompted for reboot. I rebooted. I got to the screen where i select between windows and ubuntu. (Boot manager). And when i hit ubuntu it just restarts my computer and im right back to the boot manager
[14:55] <Atamisk> anyway, anyone know why i can't change the appearance of the main menu in GNOME?
[14:55] <bazhang> carli2, saying its more like windows
[14:56] <trancegeek> ATI Radeon HD 4250
[14:58] <carli2> trancegeek: try to build mesa from source or use an (outdated) ppa
[14:58] <trancegeek> hmm
[14:58] <trancegeek> well see
[14:58] <trancegeek> it works without the drivers
[14:58] <trancegeek> but flash is laggy
[14:59] <carli2> the open source drivers improved a lot.
[14:59] <trancegeek> which it shouldn't be, i'm on a 6 core amd phenom 2 x6 1090t with 2gb ddr3 and an ATI Radeon HD 4250
[14:59] <mongy> open driver is faster in 10.10 for me
[14:59] <trancegeek> i see, so mesa is the open source drivers?
[14:59] <carli2> yes
[14:59] <trancegeek> i'm pretty unfamiliar with linux for desktop usage, i mainly use it for servers
[14:59] <carli2> but use gallium, not the classic driver
[14:59] <trancegeek> ok do you have a link to somewhat friendly instructions?
[15:00] <mongy> faster than it is now..  I always use fglrx anyway when its available.  not working at the mo
[15:00] <carli2> trancegeek: join #radeon
[15:00] <Suhn> Is anyone here?
[15:00] <trancegeek> ok and ask for help in there or are you going to help me in there?
[15:00] <bazhang> Suhn, yes
[15:00] <carli2> mongy: fglrx will not support wayland, so it will not have that big future
[15:00] <kujules> Suhn, i got the same problem!!!
[15:01] <carli2> btw: when will wayland be available for compiz, qt and gtk?
[15:01] <Suhn> bazhang: Wow, is it from updateing to 11,04 to?
[15:01] <kujules> yes
[15:01] <kujules> i upgrade to 11.04, and got kicked by system to log-in screen every time
[15:02] <Suhn> I get restarted at boot manager every time
[15:02] <carli2> kujules: upgrading never really worked for ubuntu
[15:03] <kujules> i am now upgrading again, maybe this time i have more luck
[15:03] <Suhn> Does anyone know how to get it to boot again?
[15:03] <trancegeek> carli2: why must you send me to the arrogance room?
[15:03] <carli2> ??
 OK, well there's no real reason to compile anything.  Certainly Ubuntu 11.04 comes with the open source drivers.
[15:04] <trancegeek> response i got when asking in radeon how to compile the mesa drivers for 11.04
[15:05] <carli2> trancegeek: the ubuntu drivers are the stable ones, i use git-master because not every r600/evergreen feature (=none) is merged into the release branches
[15:06] <Suhn>  Ok, so last night, i updated to ubuntu 11.04. At the end of the installation process it prompted for reboot. I rebooted. I got to the screen where i select between windows and ubuntu. (Boot manager). And when i hit ubuntu it just restarts my computer and im right back to the boot manager
[15:07] <trancegeek> why must everything with linux be so damn complicated?
[15:08] <charlie-tca> You install a development version not ready for use and ask that?
[15:08] <carli2> trancegeek: because there too less people paid for polishing up the usability
[15:08] <Suhn> HALP
[15:08] <trancegeek> charlie, things have always been this complicated with ubuntu
[15:09] <trancegeek> i've tested it god knows how many times on god knows how many computers and there's always graphic, flash, etc issues, with stable versions, i've been testing it off and on for like 5 years now
[15:11] <Suhn>  Ok, so last night, i updated to ubuntu 11.04. At the end of the installation process it prompted for reboot. I rebooted. I got to the screen where i select between windows and ubuntu. (Boot manager). And when i hit ubuntu it just restarts my computer and im right back to the boot manager
[15:12] <charlie-tca> Suhn: what happens if you go to recovery mode/menu instead?
[15:12] <Suhn> I cant get to recovery mode
[15:13] <Suhn> The second i select ubuntu it just restarts my computer
[15:13] <charlie-tca> try editing the boot line then? maybe remove quiet/splash and see if it tells anything
[15:14] <charlie-tca> or is that a windows menu instead of the Grub menu?
[15:14] <trancegeek> ok so as i'm told by someone who looked at this (http://pastebin.com/amSfvbEg) i'm already using the gallium3d version of mesa
[15:14] <Suhn> Theres no windows menu
[15:14] <trancegeek> from the most recent release at that
[15:14] <Suhn> When i boot up my laptop. i get a screen that has me select what to boot into
[15:14] <Suhn> ubunutu
[15:15] <Suhn> or windows
[15:15] <Suhn> I was told something about installing GRUB
[15:15] <Suhn> But i cant get any access into ubuntu so idk how i would install grub
[15:15] <charlie-tca> !grub2
[15:16] <Suhn> No, i installed windows, then ubuntu 10.10
[15:16] <trancegeek> ok is there a version of flash that works with chromium x64 that doesn't suck?
[15:16] <Suhn> Last night, i did update-magager -d
[15:16] <charlie-tca> I don't know then, either. That page has a lot of information about reinstalling grub
[15:16] <Suhn> and upgraded to 11.04
[15:16] <Suhn> I read that page, but i cant do any of it without being in ubuntu
[15:17] <carli2> i see, there are too many basic problems before anyone can care about usability and adjustability
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Suhn: might be connected to this - http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta#Using%20Ubuntu%2011.04%20Beta%201%20with%20WUBI%20is%20not%20recommended%20at%20this%20time
[15:18] <Suhn> I did that
[15:21] <Suhn> D:
[15:22] <charlie-tca> you did what was not recommended?
[15:22] <Suhn> no
[15:22] <Suhn> i did what was recommended
[15:23] <Suhn> i didnt use wubi
[15:25] <Suhn> Do you understand like what im saying about the boot manager?
[15:26] <Suhn> Where you select between OS
[15:27] <charlie-tca> I don't have windows, makes it a bit difficult
[15:31] <arand> Is anyone else running btrfs and seeing huge fails after the last fsck.btrfs enabling?
[15:35] <carli2> how can i use the unity program starter (or a menu like that) for my classic desktop?
[15:35] <ceed^> arand:  I had that happen and went back to ext4 after loosing my whole / partition.
[15:36] <arand> ceed^: Was that recently, as in within the last 48h?
[15:36] <ceed^> arand: Three days ago I think
[15:36] <arand> Right, then it wasn't this issue likely
[15:37] <ceed^> arand: I haven't had that kind of disaster with a file system since I tried reiserfs a few years ago. Btrfs is blazingly fast though
[15:38] <Suhn>    Ok, so last night, i updated to ubuntu 11.04. At the end of the installation process it prompted for reboot. I rebooted. I got to the screen where i select between windows and ubuntu. (Boot manager). And when i hit ubuntu it just restarts my computer and im right back to the boot manager
[15:39] <kujules> Suhn, i am using now 11.04, it works stably... :-)
[15:39] <Suhn> kujules: mine wont even boot
[15:40] <Suhn> Something is wrong with the linux booting
[15:40] <kujules> wait till 28.04 :-)
[15:40] <Suhn> lol
[15:41] <trancegeek> is there anything like gnome-look.org that works for unity? or does gnome-look still work for unity? as far as theming ubuntu up
[15:41] <kujules> 3 weeks
[15:42] <trancegeek> suhn, i installed ubuntu in a dualboot environment with windows 7 x64 and it worked fine, however i installed ubuntu from the disk from scratch, no upgrade
[15:42] <Suhn> I upgraded from 10.10
[15:43] <trancegeek> ok and are you able to access your menu.lst?
[15:43] <Suhn> nope
[15:43] <Suhn> I initially installed 10.10 from windows
[15:43] <Daekdroom> Suhn, using wubi?
[15:43] <Suhn> No
[15:43] <Suhn> From 10.10!
[15:43]  * ceed^ is so glad he doesn't dual boot.
[15:44] <Suhn> update-manager -d
[15:44] <trancegeek> no
[15:44] <trancegeek> zomg
[15:44] <trancegeek> ok
[15:44] <trancegeek> it's not that effing hard
[15:44] <Suhn> dual booting is not bad
[15:44] <trancegeek> you prob just need to re-install and configure grub, have you done this?
[15:44] <trancegeek> dual booting is simple as piss
[15:44]  * thiebaude ceed^  for sure :)
[15:44] <Suhn> No
[15:44] <trancegeek> i didn't have to select a single thing
[15:44] <Suhn> but i cant install grub without being in ubuntus terminal
[15:44] <tim> hi, after upgrading to 11.04, programs which are launched via sudo cannot connect to the x server any more. is this a known issue?
[15:44] <trancegeek> right
[15:44] <thiebaude> i use to the do the dual boot thing,lol
[15:44] <trancegeek> which is why you download the ubuntu 11.04 livecd
[15:45] <trancegeek> or...
[15:45] <ceed^> It's two OS's. It's not bad, its a little more complicated :)
[15:45] <trancegeek> does grub actually load?
[15:45] <Suhn> I never had grub
[15:45] <trancegeek> to where you can hit the key to manually enter commands?
[15:45] <trancegeek> wtf?
[15:45] <trancegeek> then how did you boot?
[15:45] <Suhn> It was all through the pc
[15:45] <Suhn> I selected ubuntu over windows
[15:45]  * trancegeek /quits
[15:46] <trancegeek> don't use beta software if you're not computer literate enough to understand how to fix basic fuck ups
[15:46] <thiebaude> ceed^, i have done so many dual boots in the past, i can almost do them with my eyes closed,lol
[15:46] <Suhn> Im trying to learn
[15:46] <trancegeek> don't learn with beta software
[15:46] <Suhn> Well, i was told last night, its easy  to use
[15:46] <trancegeek> see point about beta = unstable
[15:46] <trancegeek> learning on unstable software is bad practice
[15:47] <Suhn> I have a newer laptop that has lots of hardware not supported by 10.10
[15:47] <Suhn> Hey trancgeek
[15:47] <Suhn> if im gonna figure out how to do this
[15:47] <Suhn> then thats quite a bit of learning for me
[15:47] <trancegeek> exactly
[15:47] <trancegeek> you're learning how to do something advanced without learning the basics
[15:47] <Suhn> :D
[15:47] <trancegeek> it's like hopping on a bike without training wheels when you've never rode a trike
[15:48] <ceed^> thiebaude: I've done plenty myself. Gotten too lazy and doesn't need two os's when one simply works :)
[15:48] <kujules> we are normal users and trust in ubuntu software :D
[15:48] <trancegeek> or diving into the deep end from the high board when you've never swam before
[15:48] <Suhn> Well, i was told by an expierienced user to upgrade
[15:48] <Suhn> i fully let him know that i am new to ubuntu
[15:48] <trancegeek> tell him to fix it then, it's his dumbass fault
[15:48] <thiebaude> exactly, everything i did in windows i can now do on ubuntu except watch netflix movies
[15:49] <trancegeek> thiebaude needs to learn the magic of a virtual machine
[15:49] <ceed^> thiebaude: there's always bt ... :)
[15:49] <kujules> not really everything
[15:49] <kujules> that is true and sad
[15:49] <thiebaude> trancegeek, i might not have enough ram for a vm
[15:49] <Suhn> So you have no idea how to fix my problem?
[15:49] <trancegeek> how much do you have?
[15:49] <thiebaude> 2 gigs
[15:49] <trancegeek> suhn, i told you how
[15:49] <trancegeek> you have plenty thiebaude
[15:49] <Suhn> No you didnt
[15:49] <trancegeek> allocate 512mb to an xp virtual machine
[15:50] <thiebaude> im not even using my nvidia drivers on here,lol
 you prob just need to re-install and configure grub, have you done this?
[15:50] <trancegeek> try reading
[15:50] <kujules> Suhn, best way you install 10.10 and use till 28.04
[15:50] <trancegeek> or do what kujules said, that's the best option imo
[15:50] <Suhn> trancegeek: i can not reinstall grub because i have no access to an ubuntu terminal
[15:50] <Suhn> I read the tuturial
[15:50] <trancegeek> suhn, which is why you shouldn't have installed beta software
[15:50] <mhall119> trancegeek: if you're going to provide support, it's better to do so kindly
[15:50] <thiebaude> i did not need the fancy stuff so im sticking to gnome :)
[15:51] <thiebaude> trancegeek, any good vm tutorial links?
[15:51] <trancegeek> download the 11.04 x86 or 64 bit version depending on what you used, and burn it to disk, put it on a usb drive, however you choose
[15:51] <trancegeek> then boot into that, there is an option to install/repair grub from that
[15:51] <Suhn> Ok, so i have to reinstall ubuntu and ive lost all of my files on the old one
[15:51] <trancegeek> thiebaude, i'm only familiar with vmware and that isn't free so i'm not sure if that's what you want
[15:52] <trancegeek> i've heard there is one that's good
[15:52] <mhall119> virtualbox is good
[15:52] <thiebaude> thanks anyway but i prefer free,lol
[15:52] <trancegeek> grub is your bootloader
[15:52] <mongy> vmware player is free
[15:52] <thiebaude> trancegeek,
[15:52] <coz_> I thought there was a free version of vmware in the repository ?
[15:52] <thiebaude> from sun?
[15:52] <thiebaude> vm
[15:52] <mongy> well, non-free...
[15:52] <trancegeek> i wasn't aware there was a free version, i use the paid one anyway
[15:52] <mhall119> oracle now, but yes
[15:52] <coz_> checking now
[15:52] <Daekdroom> Nope, that is VirtualBox
[15:52] <thiebaude> i thought sun had  afree one
[15:52] <mhall119> virtualbox-ose is in the Ubuntu repos I think
[15:53] <thiebaude> ahh ok thanks
[15:53] <thiebaude> mhall119,
[15:53] <mongy> vbox 4.0 is now free, until you add extensions
[15:53] <trancegeek> suhn: grub is your bootloader, if you reinstall/repair grub it doesn't mess with the ubuntu install, everything will be the same with the install, it just fixes the bootloader
[15:53] <Daekdroom> VMWare has VMWare Player that is free for use (closed source, tho), but can't create virtual machines, only run them
[15:53] <coz_> mm there is a vmware view open client
[15:53] <mongy> Daekdroom, it can create them
[15:53] <trancegeek> the bootloader basically hands control of the pc over to ubuntu, it goes bios>bootloader>operating system
[15:53] <Random832> i've created virtual machines in vmware player
[15:53] <Daekdroom> mongy, I've never been able to do it
[15:53] <mongy> Daekdroom, I used it few months ago, created them fine...
[15:53] <trancegeek> your bios is the first screen that shows, whether it's an image or white letters on a black screen
[15:53] <Suhn> I know what grub is.
[15:53] <trancegeek> the bootloader is grub
[15:54] <trancegeek> well then why are you telling me you don't have it?
[15:54] <Suhn> I dont know how to reinstall it without ubuntu
[15:54] <trancegeek> omfg
[15:54] <trancegeek> nvm
[15:54] <bazhang> trancegeek, watch the language and attitude
[15:54] <BluesKaj> it's a gamble to try alpha or beta OSs on virtual machines in the first place
[15:54] <bazhang> !grub2 | Suhn please read this
[15:55] <thiebaude> i would see no reasom why i would have to be in a vm,lol :)
[15:55] <trancegeek> i'm not giving him an attitude i'm trying to teach him, you can't get tone of voice through text, so it sounds/reads like an attitude but there is none, if i had an attitude with him i wouldn't help at all
[15:55] <thiebaude> reason
[15:55] <bazhang> trancegeek, it comes across that way, and no need for the invective
[15:55] <trancegeek> invective?
[15:55] <mongy> oo, never noticed the top left app button turn blue as well when an app needs some attention.
[15:56] <bazhang> cursing. lets move on
[15:56] <Suhn> Ok, so i need to make a liveCD of grub
[15:56] <trancegeek> ahh
[15:56] <bazhang> Suhn, no, you need to read the link provided
[15:56] <trancegeek> i was just clarifying, i'm frustrated yes but no attitude towards him i was there once too
[15:56] <bazhang> okay thanks
[15:56] <Suhn> I did
[15:57] <trancegeek> suhn, read it again :P
[15:57] <bazhang> Suhn, then you nee d to clearly explain what in that link does not work for you
[15:57] <kujules> :D
[15:57] <Suhn> Ok ok, which section do i need to read
[15:57] <bazhang> the entire thing
[15:57] <Suhn> I read the part about reinstalling grub
[15:57] <trancegeek> zomg
[15:58] <Suhn> Do you know how much info is on that page????
[15:58] <bazhang> Suhn, then clearly explain what exactly you are getting caught on in the link
[15:58] <bazhang> Suhn, yes
[15:58] <trancegeek> lots, it's worth the read if you really want to use ubuntu
[15:58] <charlie-tca> I read it many times, just to get grub reinstalled when I needed to
[15:58] <trancegeek> if you try and skim the documents you will miss important information that will help you later down the road
[15:58] <bazhang> yep
[15:58] <trancegeek> 30 minutes of reading could save you hours or even days of troubleshooting
[15:58] <charlie-tca> It is very informative, and can be extremely helpful
[15:58] <bazhang> its hardly that long, but yeah
[15:59] <trancegeek> it will take you less time to read that entire document, than it would to sit here asking for help and get the issue resolved without reading it
[15:59] <kujules> its complicated to normal users. i must admit
[15:59] <bazhang> then ask exactly what is catching you up
[15:59] <trancegeek> although i can't say i've read it, i guess i always just understood how to reinstall grub from the livecd :P
[16:00] <charlie-tca> kujules: normal users should not be using development versions
[16:00] <trancegeek> charlie, i explained this
[16:00] <trancegeek> he persists so i guess it's his choice
[16:00] <kujules> i used 11.04, and its.. stable, i got same problem like suhn, but its now disappeared :D
[16:01]  * BluesKaj wonders what the definition of normal users means here :)
[16:01] <thiebaude> end user,lol
[16:01] <thiebaude> :)
[16:01] <trancegeek> non tech savvy user
[16:01] <kujules> non-it-people
[16:02] <Suhn> k
[16:02] <BluesKaj> never worked in IT in my life
[16:02] <Suhn> when i select windows it says
[16:02] <Suhn> no wubilder
[16:02] <kujules> BluesKaj < no?
[16:02] <trancegeek> ok suhn
[16:02] <trancegeek> urgh
[16:02] <trancegeek> you need grub
[16:03] <bazhang> Suhn, so it is wubi
[16:03] <Suhn> Alright
[16:03] <trancegeek> i'm not sure if you have it (never used wubi)
[16:03] <BluesKaj> nope , kujules
[16:03] <trancegeek> 11.04 is not compatible with wubu
[16:03] <kujules> i think many people give help here are it-specialists or at least it-students
[16:03] <trancegeek> wubi*
[16:03] <Suhn> I originaly installed 10.10 with wubi
[16:03] <trancegeek> ok
[16:03] <bazhang> there you are
[16:03] <trancegeek> so my guess is you would need to install grub manually from the livecd (a fairly simple task last time i tried it)
[16:04] <Suhn> Ok, on grub, here is where i get confused, it says "Reinstall Grub using a Live CD" then it gives a bunch of ubuntu terminal commands
[16:04] <trancegeek> right
[16:04] <BluesKaj> well, I'm not a student nor an IT guy ...just an interested linux user
[16:04] <Suhn> Boot into a live cd using 9.10 or later
[16:04] <trancegeek> the live cd is the iso image you downloaded to install 10.10
[16:04] <thiebaude> BluesKaj, same here
[16:04] <Suhn> I used wubi
[16:05] <trancegeek> so i would go download the 11.04 live cd iso, and burn that to a cd
[16:05] <Suhn> "Windows installer"
[16:05] <trancegeek> yes
[16:05] <Suhn> ok one sec
[16:05] <trancegeek> and it states specifically on the 11.04 main page that it is not compatible with wubi
[16:05] <trancegeek> thus, you need to install grub manually as the upgrade didn't do that for you
[16:05] <Suhn> Yea thats why i tried updateing straight from ubuntu 10.10
[16:05] <Suhn> Ok
[16:06] <Suhn> Where can i get the files for 11.04
[16:06] <Suhn> to make an iso
[16:06] <trancegeek> right, the proper way to do this for future reference, would have been to install grub from 10.10, get it set up and working, and then install/upgrade to 11.04
[16:06] <mhall119> y/w 55
[16:06] <trancegeek> you don't make an iso
[16:06] <trancegeek> you download the iso image and burn it to a cd
[16:06] <trancegeek> do you have windows 7?
[16:06] <Suhn> thats what i mean
[16:06] <Suhn> yes i do
[16:06] <trancegeek> ok so you know how to burn an iso file to cd?
[16:06] <Suhn> yes
[16:06] <trancegeek> ok
[16:06] <Suhn> i have a burner
[16:07] <trancegeek> and you know how to properly burn an iso?
[16:07] <Suhn> yes
[16:07] <trancegeek> you don't just burn the iso file itself to the cd
[16:07] <Suhn> i have an iso for 10.04 for another pc
[16:07] <trancegeek> you right click on it and select burn iso to disk or similar
[16:07] <Suhn> yes i know
[16:07] <trancegeek> ok
[16:07] <trancegeek> just making sure
[16:07] <Suhn> i have made an ubuntu disk
[16:07] <trancegeek> are you using 32 or 64 bit?
[16:07] <Suhn> 64
[16:08] <trancegeek> http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ubuntu-11.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:09] <trancegeek> you want to download that and burn it to a cd
[16:09] <Suhn> Alright
[16:09]  * thiebaude first time yesterday in my life i messed up burning dvd,lol
[16:10] <trancegeek> i always messed up the first time till like 3 years ago with everything to do with computers lol
[16:10] <trancegeek> i used to be banned from every computer that wasn't mine xD
[16:10] <kujules> never burnt a cd in kubuntu, will do that in 28.04 ...
[16:10] <trancegeek> but i learned the first time and didn't mess that process up again at least lol
[16:12] <trancegeek> suhn: once you've burned that to a cd, and booted the pc in question from it, you will follow that guide to reinstall grub, then after you reboot the pc and remove the cd, and it should boot into both ubuntu and windows
[16:12] <trancegeek> whichever you select
[16:13] <thiebaude> and even now the graphical installer on the 11.04 live dont work, so i did text install
[16:13] <trancegeek> it did for me
[16:13] <Suhn> trancegeek, am i going to have to go through the whole ubuntu installation process again?
[16:13] <trancegeek> no suhn
[16:13] <Suhn> last time i did this, it had to install ubuntu again
[16:14] <Suhn> or at least
[16:14] <trancegeek> this will be a fairly quick process, all it does is fix the menu you use to select between windows and ubuntu
[16:14] <Suhn> that was with a computer that didnt have it already
[16:14] <trancegeek> yes you *can* install ubuntu from that cd
[16:14] <trancegeek> but there are multiple uses
[16:14] <Suhn> How do i boot from it without installing?
[16:14] <trancegeek> it's basically the ubuntu you have on your pc, but without all your personal settings etc, and it's on the cd
[16:15] <trancegeek> any changes made with the cd version won't affect the one you have installed
[16:15] <Suhn> alright
[16:15] <Suhn> how do i boot from the cd without installing?
[16:15] <trancegeek> you insert it in your drive, and when your computer restarts it will tell you to press a key to enter boot menu (if not we can get around that), and you press that key and select cd
[16:15] <Suhn> alright
[16:15] <Suhn> thats what i was guessing
[16:16] <Suhn> ill just have to find out the boot manager key on this computer
[16:16] <trancegeek> you may not even need to
[16:16] <trancegeek> some computers will automatically boot from the cd if it's inserted, depends on the settings though
[16:16] <Suhn> true
[16:16] <charlie-tca> If that is an 11.04 desktop cd, you start with it in the drive. It will eventually come to a screen with two choices, Try Ubuntu or Install Ubuntu. Pick Try
[16:16] <trancegeek> right
[16:17] <Suhn> alright
[16:22] <Suhn> I suppose i should pring those grub directions
[16:23] <Suhn> so i know the commands
[16:29] <ceed^> Anyone know if Ubuntu ONE works in natty? I'm trying, but the files aren't being uploaded to the cloud.
[16:39] <trancegeek> ceed^, give me a min i'll test it
[16:46] <trancegeek> ceed^, i just synced a file to ubuntu one successfully
[16:46] <trancegeek> on natty
[16:46] <trancegeek> with all updates
[16:50] <Suhn> Still burning
[16:55] <ceed^> trancegeek: I rebooted and now itseems to work. Slow tho..
[16:56] <ceed^> trancegeek: Do you know Ubuntu ONE well?
[16:56] <benzaldehyde> i'm trying to upgrade from an Alternate image via the gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade" method and it says Could not calculate the upgrade
[16:56] <benzaldehyde> any ideas?
[16:56] <trancegeek> not really
[16:56] <trancegeek> that was actually my first time using it lol
[16:57] <trancegeek> and prob my last, i don't have much use for it
[16:57] <trancegeek> i thought it could sync files to my android phone but apparently it cannot
[16:57] <ceed^> Do you know that if you share pictures they show up in an album like DropBox?
[16:57] <trancegeek> no
[16:57] <trancegeek> i don't share pictures lol
[16:57] <ceed^> yikes
[16:57] <ceed^> lol
[16:58] <ceed^> Guess I'll stick to DropBox then.
[16:58] <benzaldehyde> trancegeek: did you get your ics set
[16:58] <trancegeek> yeah
[16:59] <trancegeek> not ad hoc
[16:59] <benzaldehyde> trancegeek: i'm about ready to scrap my install
[16:59] <trancegeek> lol
[16:59] <trancegeek> why?
[17:00] <benzaldehyde> trancegeek: i added some non supported software--i think that is why it won't let me upgrade
[17:00] <trancegeek> ahh
[17:01] <benzaldehyde> unless this is a "pre-release version of Ubuntu"
[17:02] <benzaldehyde> all i added were some codecs
[17:02] <trancegeek> it us
[17:02] <trancegeek> is*
[17:03] <benzaldehyde> just doesn't make sense does it, why include "cdromupgrade"?
[17:04] <benzaldehyde> no milk with cookies is just evil
[17:05] <niooins> hello, im writing an article about ubuntu on a local newspaper. does anyone know a resource i can find info about m.shuttleworth's work as a debian developer?
[17:06] <niooins> the newspaper is free btw, and the community is small. dont expect my article to be on the news
[17:06] <benzaldehyde> why don't you ask him yourself he's a member
[17:06] <niooins> a member of what?
[17:06] <benzaldehyde> hey shuttleworth aka trancegeek are you there?
[17:06] <trancegeek> shuttleworth?
[17:06]  * benzaldehyde nudges trancegeek
[17:07] <benzaldehyde> you misspelled it honeybunches, it's one t, mr shutleworth hates it when ppl get his name wrong
[17:07] <niooins> shuttleworth isnt a geek. and i doubt he listens to trance
[17:08] <benzaldehyde> trancegeek: are you going to stand for that mister shutleworth :D
[17:08] <trancegeek> well if you know so much about him why do you need to find more info?
[17:08] <niooins> i know a particular piece of info i cant seem to find
[17:08] <trancegeek> there's probably good reason for that
[17:09] <niooins> im not a  paparazzi or anything. i dont care what he does on his bed :p
[17:09] <niooins> trancegeek: like?
[17:09] <trancegeek> he doesn't want you to know
[17:10] <niooins> heh
[17:11] <benzaldehyde> so what doea mister scuttlebutt do that interests 'local' news
[17:12] <trancegeek> i'm so posting an ad in that newspaper the following week letting everyone know the author of the last ubuntu-related article's irc id is 'niooins'
[17:14] <niooins> i consider myself an actual journalist. its gonna be an in depth article, not overhyped bs. 'zomg ubuntu' easy for everyone to understand but with content
[17:14] <trancegeek> mhmm
[17:14] <niooins> plus i own half the newspaper. that means i own mostly debts :)
[17:15] <benzaldehyde> trancegeek: can you imagine not being able to afford an entire newspaper mister scuttlebutt?
[17:15] <benzaldehyde> trancegeek: they are only 50 cents on the weekday
[17:15] <benzaldehyde> :D
[17:15] <trancegeek> well working as an open source developer, i too have been there
[17:16] <niooins> seems you cant seem to be able help fine. i'll try to find the info  from somewhere else. good afternoon folks (-:
[17:17] <trancegeek> trolololololololol
[17:17] <benzaldehyde> :P
[17:17] <benzaldehyde> ha-huh-ha-huh-ha-trololololo
[17:17] <WL> so what happened to the latest ubuntu? :-s
[17:18] <coz_> WL,  what do you mean?
[17:18] <WL> what is this annoying dock thing doing on my desktop instead of the menu i'm used to?
[17:18] <WL> i cannot even start a terminal!
[17:18] <trancegeek> lawl
[17:18] <WL> and i cannot see any firefox menu
[17:18] <coz_> WL, oh  well... 11.04 will default to the Unity desktop
[17:18] <WL> like file, etc
[17:18] <trancegeek> wl, have you used windows 7 before?
[17:18] <hype> WL, you just can disable Unity using Compiz COnfig settings manager
[17:18] <coz_> WL,  what you need to do is to log out  and  change the session to classic gnome
[17:18] <WL> trancegeek: yes
[17:18] <trancegeek> ok
[17:18] <benzaldehyde> trancegeek: me tpp
[17:18] <trancegeek> think of the interface as windows 7's
[17:18] <trancegeek> it's very similar
[17:18] <trancegeek> you get window snapping
[17:18] <WL> this is horrifying though....
[17:19] <trancegeek> the taskbar is on the left
[17:19] <trancegeek> no
[17:19] <trancegeek> it's great
[17:19] <trancegeek> it just takes a second to get used to
[17:19] <WL> it's not great :s
[17:19] <trancegeek> put your mouse in the top left corner
[17:19] <coz_> WL,   just log out and change session to classic gnome
[17:19] <trancegeek> that's the windows 7 taskbar
[17:19] <trancegeek> no unity rocks screw that
[17:19] <WL> coz_: will that remain supported?
[17:19] <trancegeek> learn it live it love it
[17:19] <coz_> WL,  sure will
[17:19] <trancegeek> no it won't wl
[17:19] <trancegeek> you must use unity
[17:19] <WL> ok nice
[17:19] <trancegeek> they're removing the normal gnome in 11.10
[17:20] <WL> aha
[17:20] <benzaldehyde> trancegeek: working as a delevoper i :D
[17:20] <coz_> WL,   he is kidding... i hope
[17:20] <benzaldehyde> trancegeek: what was that?
[17:20] <WL> i hope too but i think i read this too
[17:20] <coz_> WL,  Unity is "strictly" for net book systems
[17:20] <trancegeek> ummm no it's definitely not
[17:20] <coz_> WL,  classic gnome for regular laptops and desktops
[17:20] <WL> pff, it's just a dock
[17:20] <trancegeek> negative
[17:20] <WL> nothing more
[17:20] <trancegeek> wl is not for netbook systems
[17:20] <trancegeek> it is not just a dock either
[17:21] <WL> ok tell me what's special about it?
[17:21] <WL> and what makes it so great
[17:21] <trancegeek> ok see, it's awesome
[17:21] <WL> i'll try it out quickly
[17:21] <coz_> WL,  well   it is designed for saving reslestate on the screen
[17:21] <trancegeek> you get window snapping like aero in 7 has
[17:21] <trancegeek> drag windows to the top, left, or right
[17:21] <coz_> WL,  it is most definitly designed as netbook
[17:21] <trancegeek> put your mouse in the top left corner and the taskbar appears
[17:22] <trancegeek> you can put shortcuts on the taskbar just like in windows 7, and those shortcuts are used as the taskbar button when that application is open
[17:22] <coz_> WL,  it cant hurt to play around with it,,, however if your monitor is larger than 15"  you will find global menu a pain in the rear
[17:22] <WL> it's just slow imho
[17:22] <coz_> WL,  indeed
[17:22] <trancegeek> click on the top left corner, and your applications are in the box that appears, you can search for an application, and drag/drop it to your taskbar
[17:22] <WL> eyecandy over functionality maybe even
[17:22] <trancegeek> i don't see all the eyecandy you're speaking of...
[17:22] <trancegeek> beryl is eyecandy
[17:22] <trancegeek> this is not
[17:23] <WL> i don't think this will be a good thing for new users either imho :(
[17:23] <trancegeek> this is minimalist
[17:23] <trancegeek> i like it tbh
[17:23] <trancegeek> i'm not new though
[17:23] <WL> i'm not new either
[17:23] <trancegeek> windows 7 aero window snapping is one of the major reasons i didn't use ubuntu
[17:23] <trancegeek> as soon as i saw that had been added i installed 11.04
[17:23] <coz_> trancegeek,  that is available in compiz
[17:24] <coz_> oh ok
[17:24] <WL> doesn't seem like that big a feature :s
[17:24] <coz_> WL,  it is not for a netbook no
[17:24] <trancegeek> yes coz but it's a halfassed implementation that works like turd
[17:24] <coz_> WL,   window snap is great for large screens
[17:24] <trancegeek> has a 21.5'' 1080p screen
[17:24] <WL> its handy but i don't use it a lot with 7 either
[17:24] <trancegeek> i use it ALL the time
[17:24] <WL> windows 3.11 could even do the splitting
[17:24] <KM0201> anyone gotten skype to install on 11.04?
[17:25] <coz_> WL,  well play with Unity to see what it offers,, the bottom two icons on the Launcher bar  are key icons.. one is for a menu of sorts
[17:25] <WL> coz_: trying to find out how to find my terminal
[17:25] <coz_> KM0201,  sorry I dont use skype
[17:25] <trancegeek> it felt clunky to me at first, use it for a day, trust me you'll like it
[17:25] <WL> also how do i get in the firefox preferences?
[17:25] <trancegeek> wl
[17:25] <coz_> WL,  it should be listed on the Launcher panel already
[17:25] <WL> this is nothing short of horrible
[17:25] <trancegeek> click in the top-left on the ubuntu icon
[17:25] <coz_> WL,   see if  alt+F2  works and type in   gnome-terminal
[17:25] <trancegeek> then type in "terminal"
[17:26] <WL> ah ok thanks
[17:26] <KM0201> np, i'll figure it out eventually... it errors out and says the package is unsafe, so i forced it, and it says something is missing... (libqt or something).. i just uninstalled it, so I'll check around and see what i come up.
[17:26] <KM0201> with
[17:26] <trancegeek> to get to firefox preferences you open firefox and bring it to the front, and the top bar on the screen will have the menu items
[17:26] <coz_> WL,  if that opens  then look at the launcher for the terminal icon ,,, right click and keep on dock or launcher
[17:27] <trancegeek> all of your applications are in the menu that appears when you click the ubuntu icon on the top bar wl
[17:27] <coz_> KM0201,  oh  ok ,,, it may be missing dependencies.. from where did you get the package for skype?
[17:27] <trancegeek> you just type in the search box to find them
[17:27] <WL> yeah still no firefox preferences though
[17:27] <trancegeek> oh wait
[17:27] <trancegeek> no they aren't
[17:27] <trancegeek> sorry
[17:27] <WL> i can guarantee you most people will dislike this crap
[17:27]  * WL switches to gnome
[17:27] <WL> brb
[17:27] <trancegeek> the magnifying glass with a + in it
[17:27] <trancegeek> that's where they are :D
[17:27] <trancegeek> lol
[17:27] <trancegeek> he doesn't know what he's missing
[17:27] <trancegeek> aero snap is badass
[17:28] <thiebaude> im just using gnome, cos i just use the ubuntu default graphics drivers :)
[17:28] <thiebaude> gnome-classic
[17:28] <benzaldehyde> trancegeek: i want all the information on mister shuttleworth, name name damnit
[17:30] <MAmama> hi
[17:30] <benzaldehyde> hi mom
[17:30] <benzaldehyde> MAmama: where is father?
[17:31] <MAmama> kaa
[17:31] <MAmama> xD
[17:31] <KM0201> benzaldehyde, lol, all the info on shuttleworth?.. why?..
[17:32]  * benzaldehyde waterboards trancegeek. NAME NAMES!
[17:32] <benzaldehyde> :D
[17:32] <KM0201> coz_, sorry, i got distracted, I got it from skype.com (it's for ubuntu 8.10, but it has always worked no matter what version of ubuntu i put it on.) i might have to enable the maverick partner repo.. dunno.
[17:32] <coz_> KM0201,  mm I am wondering if that is a good idea,, I believe  ubuntutweak has it offered in their ppa s
[17:33] <coz_> KM0201,  not sure ubuntutweak works on natty ,, let me check hold on
[17:34] <KM0201> coz_, i think i just discovered whatmight be theissue, but i wanna try onemore thing....  http://ubuntuguide.net/install-skype-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal-3264-bit
[17:35] <benzaldehyde> that's what she said
[17:36] <coz_> KM0201,  ah ok that link looks better and ubuntu tweak does not install onto natty yet   python version errors
[17:37] <KM0201> coz_, yeah, but thats still just the ubuntu 8.10 package.
[17:37] <benzaldehyde> ubudork_: \o/
[17:37] <ubudork_> hi
[17:37] <KM0201> i don't really think it matters, i'venever had an issue w/it before.
[17:37] <ubudork_> >(
[17:37] <benzaldehyde> ubudork_: oh sorry i thought you were someone else
[17:37] <ubudork_> we talked this moring
[17:38] <KM0201> i figure one of these light years, skype will update their linux version past 2.1 beta 2...lol.
[17:38] <ubudork_> i had really bad luc
[17:38] <ubudork_> k
[17:38] <benzaldehyde> ubudork_: i never forget a conversation, what did we talk about ? :D
[17:38] <ubudork_> i purged the  nvidia driver
[17:39] <ubudork_> and now i am not able to even log in
[17:39] <goruka> awesome
[17:39] <ubudork_> running from live cd now
[17:39] <benzaldehyde> ubudork_: the white whale
[17:39] <goruka> Question: How can I make the unity dock horizontal? I have a 4:3 monitor and it being vertical is pretty annoying
[17:40] <KM0201> coz_, it's in maverick partner... maybe i'll just add maverick partner, install it, then remove the repo.
[17:40] <coz_> KM0201,  for skype?
[17:40] <KM0201> coz_, yup
[17:41] <coz_> KM0201,   as long as it doesn want a specific version of a library that should work
[17:41] <KM0201> yeah, i'm gonna try that now.
[17:41] <KM0201> i wonder why it'snot in natty partner?
[17:41]  * KM0201 doesn't particularly care for unity... thank goodness for the "classic" look.
[17:42] <coz_> guys I am sorry,.,, i have to break here,,, be back in a bit
[17:42] <goruka> KM0201, I'm trying to use unity but it seems it's only designed for widescreen monitors
[17:42] <ubudork_> benzaldehyde> i dont know much about whales. but you tried to help me this morning with som driver problems after i did a update from 10.10 to 11.04
[17:42] <KM0201> goruka, it looks ok on my laptop, looks awful on  my dual screen PC
[17:43] <goruka> also i can't right click anywhere for settings, and settings are hidden between all the compizconfig clutter
[17:43] <thiebaude> when i had unity it looked good on my 20 in screen
[17:43] <KM0201> i much prefer the classic look..
[17:43] <benzaldehyde> ubudork_: you upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04 via update-manager?
[17:43] <KM0201> goruka, that was one fo thethings i really disliked about it (right clicking)
[17:44] <KM0201> woot, got skype working
[17:44] <goruka> I like the idea and how it works, but unity is totally unusable for a beta
[17:45] <KM0201> goruka, well, some people really like it.. you just can't figure out how to make it work.. for doing basic desktop stuff, etc.. it works fine.. if you like tweaking your desktop, it's not all that great.
[17:45] <LarsTorben> hello
[17:46] <benzaldehyde> ubudork_: ambergris is made from whale, it's essentially whale vomit--people from back in the day used it as lotion becuase of it's aroma. not it's aroma right away, but left out to ferment a bit
[17:46] <goruka> KM0201, I can imagine that people with a widescreen monitor likes it more than me (4:3)
[17:46] <thiebaude> actually i liked an older version of gnome-shell that i seen on youtube better than unity
[17:46] <LarsTorben> somebody here who hates unity
[17:46] <thiebaude> LarsTorben, its just not for me :)
[17:46]  * KM0201 has never liked unity... ever
[17:46] <LarsTorben> thiebaude hate it ?
[17:46] <thiebaude> i have used gnome since ubuntu 6.06
[17:47] <ubbudork> benzaldehyde: ok :P
[17:47] <thiebaude> yes i do
[17:47] <LarsTorben> ok
[17:47] <thiebaude> imho
[17:47] <LarsTorben> then you can test
[17:47] <thiebaude> :)
[17:47] <goruka> same here about unity, the concept is great but it really needs more work
[17:47] <LarsTorben> Snowlinux its  as
[17:47] <LarsTorben> based on ubuntu 11.04 but ordinary desktop gnome 2
[17:47] <thiebaude> im on 11.04 now and i love the classic gnome
[17:47] <LarsTorben>
[17:47] <thiebaude> low memory usage
[17:47] <LarsTorben> thiebaude: yes but 11.10 dont contain classic anymore
[17:47] <KM0201> thiebaude, yup... my opinion as well.
[17:48] <thiebaude> i just hope ubuntu never gets rid of gnome, imho
[17:48] <LarsTorben> it do
[17:48] <KM0201> LarsTorben, well, at that point it will be time to move on to Debian.. :)
[17:48] <thiebaude> or i might have to install one of the other cd's dvds i ahve,lol :)
[17:48] <thiebaude> have
[17:48] <LarsTorben> ubuntu 11.10 only contains unity 3d, unity 2d as alternativee
[17:48] <benzaldehyde> thiebaude: i use fluxbox
[17:49] <KM0201> LarsTorben, my guess is, you'll be able to install "ubuntu-classic" w/o to much difficulty if you want to.
[17:49] <benzaldehyde> thiebaude: gnome is sleek but slugish on ppc64
[17:49] <thiebaude> i tried it in 11.04 did not like the purple wallpaper in fluxbox
[17:49] <thiebaude> benzaldehyde,
[17:49] <goruka> LarsTorben, i like how it works, but i can't figure out why it doesn't support an horizontal dock. There's still plenty of people with 4:3 monitors like me
[17:49] <arand> Anyone else can confirm Bug #748340 ?
[17:49] <LarsTorben> if you want you can test snowlinux too
[17:50] <thiebaude> i just wonder after 11.04 is released, what the furte of unity is
[17:50] <LarsTorben> it base on ubuntu 11.04
[17:50] <thiebaude> future
[17:51] <LarsTorben> snowlinux is my work :)
[17:51] <benzaldehyde> i can't seem to upgrade from gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade" it is giving me an error, anyone else have that hapen?
[17:51] <serialhex> hey, i just installed kubuntu 11.4 and it removed my nvidia driver, and the one it provided me with is wonky... but when i try and install it again it says i have to uninstall xorg & a bunch of other things... whats up?  how can i fix that?
[17:52] <brontosaurusrex>  would unity allow positioning that launcher on the right or bottom of the screen or is it hardcoded to the left?
[17:52] <LarsTorben> hardcoded
[17:52] <brontosaurusrex> LarsTorben, serously?
[17:52] <brontosaurusrex> seriously *
[17:52] <LarsTorben> do not know but i also looked for it
[17:52] <benzaldehyde> serialhex: i do not know but there was a 'ubudork' with the same problem, you just missed him
[17:52] <LarsTorben> that
[17:53] <LarsTorben> and dont found
[17:53] <LarsTorben> it
[17:53] <ubbudork> how do i go in to bash before the usual login sreen. i reinstalled the nvidia driver and now i do not even get to the login screen
[17:54] <benzaldehyde> ubbudork: hm?
[17:54] <ubbudork> * Checking battery state... [ok] it says and is stuck there
[17:54] <benzaldehyde> ubbudork: alt+ctl+f1
[17:55] <ubbudork> tnx
[17:55] <benzaldehyde> ubbudork: not a prob bob
[17:55] <shadaloo> yo nigras
[17:56] <brontosaurusrex> uhmm, so is some sort of gnome-a-like desktop included as well?
[17:56] <shadaloo> gdm start does not work - " could not acquire name; bailing out "
[17:56] <shadaloo> any suggestions?
[17:56] <ubbudork> how to fix xorg.conf i am afraid it got fu....
[17:56] <ubbudork> is there a backup?
[17:57] <benzaldehyde> ubbudork: i still say that you shouldn't have to use that .conf file, it has got to be a conflict with a package somehwere down the line
[17:57] <ubbudork> found it
[17:58] <serialhex> ubbudork: so you were having trouble with the nvidia driver too?
[17:58] <ubbudork> yeah but now im not even able to log in????
[17:58] <ubbudork> yes sir
[17:58] <shadaloo> you guys
[17:58] <shadaloo> what do I do to fix my nvidia
[17:58] <ubbudork> BIG trouble¨
[17:58] <shadaloo> day 1 of beta I got verticle lines when tryign to boot
[17:58] <serialhex> how are you resolving it? cause when i try & install the propritary one it wants to remove xorg & a bunch of other crap
[17:58] <shadaloo> now I get blank screen
[17:59] <serialhex> ...and then there were three :P
[17:59] <benzaldehyde> natty is single handedly crashing nvida's stock
[17:59]  * shadaloo facepalm
[17:59] <thiebaude> but i have to say i do love the global menu
[18:00] <serialhex> yeah, i never really had a problem with their propritary drivers... they work & they're stable... why change them?
[18:00] <shadaloo> is there anyway to revert back to x until this issue gets resolved? -.-
[18:00] <goruka> can i show cpu load on unity desktop somewhere? :)
[18:00] <shadaloo> or -
[18:01] <shadaloo> can someone recomment a lightweight graphical interface
[18:01] <shadaloo> recommend*
[18:01] <ubbudork> serialhex: new drivers seem to be needed for the 3d desktop???
[18:01] <serialhex> *is thinking of reinstalling 10.10*
[18:01] <benzaldehyde> shadaloo: a gui?
[18:01] <shadaloo> benzaldehyde: yea
[18:01] <benzaldehyde> shadaloo: fluxbox
[18:01] <shadaloo> good call
[18:01] <serialhex> ubbudork: i've never had problems with 3d & nvidia...
[18:02] <ubbudork> not me either
[18:02] <shadaloo> i bet ubuntu people mostly run ati
[18:02] <serialhex> ubbudork: in fact, the 'wiggle windows' option for kde (idk if it's in gnome too) is jerky with the new drivers, the old ones it was smooth as silk
[18:03] <thiebaude> i have nvidia 8400 gs
[18:03] <ubbudork> but if you uninstall the new 270 driver and install ie the 173 driver ubuntu-destop also must be removed for some reason
[18:03] <brontosaurusrex> shadaloo, 2/3 of my machines is nvidia, why ati?
[18:03] <serialhex> ubbudork: and i'm running a fx 5200 & p4 3ghz... a >5yr old machine :-/
[18:03] <serialhex> thats weird!
[18:04] <thiebaude> even the propietary nvidia drivers in 11.04 i had no problems
[18:04] <shadaloo> brontosaurusrex: they are forced to be more competitive with nvidia the reigning champ so their cost/value is higher
[18:04] <ubbudork> puh.... restoring xorg.conf regained access to the standard login
[18:04] <shadaloo> not proven
[18:04] <serialhex> yeah when i try & install the propritary drivers it wants top remove xorg & kde & like 7938472 other things :P
[18:04] <shadaloo> ofc
[18:04] <ubbudork> serialhex: i have a quite old one too
[18:04] <kdog> alled natty beta in a virtualbox and when I log in, nothing appears on the desktop. Unity must not be coming up. I do have "3d" checked in the vb monitors. Any hints?
[18:05] <kdog> whoops. That starts with "I inst" :-p
[18:05] <shadaloo> I cannot connect to Xserver with fluxbox, how can I reactive X?
[18:05] <kdog> I was able to right click on the desktop and create a launcher for "gnome-terminal"
[18:05] <brontosaurusrex> shadaloo, you mean they are supposed to do more for the same  money as nvidia?
[18:05] <serialhex> i understood kdog :P  but idk how to fix it :-/
[18:05] <shadaloo> brontosaurusrex: exactly
[18:05] <bandit5432> run it without unity :P
[18:07] <benzaldehyde> 5 ERROR NvidiaDetection returned a error: __init__() got $
[18:07] <bandit5432> kdog,  see this thread http://askubuntu.com/questions/17937/why-cant-unity-run-in-virtual-machines
[18:07] <kdog> bandit5432: thanks!
[18:08] <benzaldehyde> 5 ERROR NvidiaDetection returned a error: __init__() got $got an unexpected keyword argument 'datadir'
[18:08] <bandit5432> are you running the latets version of virtualbox?
[18:08] <benzaldehyde> that was in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[18:08] <goruka> uh... screen repaint is broken in katepart, wtf :|
[18:08] <bandit5432> kdog, the info on that says its fixed in virtualbox 4.0.4
[18:09] <bandit5432> kdog, lol they broke it again
[18:09] <bandit5432> see here http://www.webupd8.org/2010/12/how-to-test-ubuntu-1104-with-unity-in.html
[18:10] <bandit5432> ok now why i came here
[18:10] <bandit5432> i have an issue with a borked upgrade to 11.04
[18:11] <bandit5432> Traceback (most recent call last):
[18:11] <bandit5432>   File "/usr/bin/update-manager", line 29, in <module>
[18:11] <bandit5432>     import gtk
[18:11] <bandit5432> ImportError: No module named gtk
[18:11] <shadaloo> anyone know why 2.6.35-25 is saying it failed due to missing headers?
[18:11] <benzaldehyde> shadaloo: reactivate x? sudo service gdm start
[18:11] <shadaloo> benzaldehyde: I will try it
[18:11] <bandit5432> now i have a partly upgraded system that i cant finish the upgrade
[18:12] <bandit5432> when i try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -f
[18:13] <bandit5432> i get E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-kde4'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[18:13] <bandit5432> any ideas help?
[18:13] <shadaloo> benzaldehyde: it worked this time :/ what do I type to launch to the new grahical interface now?
[18:14] <benzaldehyde> shadaloo: you don't type, before you login to your name look at the bottom of the screen where it has a rectangle that says gnome, click he down arrow and slide up to fluxbox then sign in to your user account
[18:14] <bandit5432> :C
[18:15] <shadaloo> benzaldehyde: I cannot even get to the login screen xD I'm in recovery kernel atm
[18:15] <bandit5432> sudo gdm
[18:16] <shadaloo> when I try startfluxbox it says 'xmodmap: unable to open display; Error: couldn't connect to XServer'
[18:16] <bandit5432> benzaldehyde,  try sudo gmd
[18:16] <bandit5432> gdm '
[18:16] <bandit5432> i cant type :|
[18:16] <shadaloo> sudo gdm --> could not acquire org.gnome.DisplayManager
[18:17] <shadaloo> ; bailing out
[18:17] <bandit5432> no i meant that to benzaldehyde
[18:17] <bandit5432> oh i see sorry
[18:17] <benzaldehyde> what why
[18:18] <benzaldehyde> your .fluxbox file is in your home directory
[18:20] <kdog> bandit5432: Hmm. I'm on 4.0.4, have 3d check, and cranked the video mem to 128mb (the max). The panel now shows when log in, looking normal, then it changes to a nasty, old school gray one.
[18:20] <Daekdroom> Is fglrx working already?
[18:21] <bandit5432> kdog, see this post it seems its broken again http://www.webupd8.org/2010/12/how-to-test-ubuntu-1104-with-unity-in.html
[18:21] <bandit5432> Update March 2011: the latest Kernel (or Xserver, I'm not really sure) broke this so Unity doesn't work in VirtualBox for now. I'll remove this message once it works again!
[18:22] <kdog> bandit5432: hold on, I haven't installed the guest additions in this vm.
[18:22] <bandit5432> :|
[18:22] <bandit5432> there is also a way to run unity in 2d mode see the bottom post on this page http://askubuntu.com/questions/17937/why-cant-unity-run-in-virtual-machines
[18:23] <BUGabundo> anyone packing http://tomahawk-player.org/download/linux ?
[18:23] <bandit5432> BUGabundo,  that page says Coming Soon: Building Ubuntu package on Natty (11.04)
[18:23] <bandit5432> and for 10.10
[18:24] <benzaldehyde> startfluxbox should do the deed
[18:24] <BUGabundo> bandit5432: I know. but someone in here could have a ppa up
[18:24] <bandit5432> then do a ppa search
[18:25] <BUGabundo> actually https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/tomahawk
[18:25] <bandit5432> :P
[18:25] <BUGabundo> bandit5432: but I don't trust strangers!
[18:25] <bandit5432> i was looking couldnt find it that fast
[18:25] <arand> BUGabundo: You not on the butter either?
[18:25] <BUGabundo> arand: ?
[18:26] <arand> AS in btrfs.
[18:26] <bandit5432> and you trust the tomohawk site?
[18:26] <BUGabundo> I am
[18:26]  * kdog why can't the guest additions just install themselves on first login :-/
[18:26] <BUGabundo> bandit5432: I tiny more then someone on a PPA
[18:26] <bandit5432> thats like running a fake antivirus from a website
[18:26] <bandit5432> just because they have a website they must be better
[18:27] <arand> BUGabundo: Ok, did btrfsck work with the latest update for you (~20h ago)
[18:27] <BUGabundo> haven't tried
[18:27] <LarsTorben> somebody here dont like unity ?
[18:27] <BUGabundo> but I saw a warning on boot
[18:27] <BUGabundo> now that you mention it
[18:27] <SwedeMike> LarsTorben: correct.
[18:27] <LarsTorben> ok
[18:27] <BUGabundo> LarsTorben: o/
[18:27] <bandit5432> i hate unity
[18:27] <LarsTorben> test www.snowlinux.de/
[18:27] <LarsTorben> it based on ubuntu 11.04 but ordinary desktop gnome
[18:27] <LarsTorben> 2
[18:27] <arand> BUGabundo: That was just the normal "can't find fsck.btrfs"?
[18:27] <LarsTorben> or later 3
[18:27] <BUGabundo> LarsTorben: login with Classic :P
[18:28] <bandit5432> :D
[18:28] <BUGabundo> arand: don't recall, I was busy
[18:28] <LarsTorben> yes but 11.10 dont contain  classic any more
[18:28] <BUGabundo> noticed it took a while
[18:28] <BUGabundo> LarsTorben: well... I'm on 11.04 :P
[18:28] <bandit5432> they taking classic out of 11.10
[18:28] <BUGabundo> can't go into the future
[18:28] <LarsTorben> yes bandit5432!
[18:28] <LarsTorben> :))
[18:28] <bandit5432> eeewwww
[18:28] <LarsTorben> so test www.snowlinux.de/ :)
[18:28] <shadaloo> hi
[18:29] <brontosaurusrex> LarsTorben, says "Based upon Ubuntu 10.04"
[18:29] <LarsTorben> its wrong letter
[18:29] <LarsTorben> there must be "11.04"
[18:29] <LarsTorben> i change that
[18:29] <LarsTorben> and kernel is also wrong it is 2.6.39-rc1
[18:29] <arand> BUGabundo: Since recently the link to btrfsck proper was added, which with current btrfs-tools just errors out horribly and I need to ignore fscking to even be albe to boot...
[18:30] <bandit5432> ok any one have any ideas on how to get my upgrade to work?
[18:30] <LarsTorben> bandit: try dpkg --reconfigure -a
[18:30] <BUGabundo> mine booted fine arand or I wouldn't be here
[18:30] <arand> Was wondering is that was due to my btrfs being a bit wonky or just something everyone was experiencing..
[18:31] <bandit5432> dpkg --reconfigure -a ?? or dpkg --configure -a
[18:31] <arand> BUGabundo: And that is with 3ubuntu2?
[18:31] <LarsTorben> "dpkg --configure -a"
[18:31] <goruka> hmm here's something else i dislike about unity. The workspace switcher icon looks too much like the terminal icon, so i get confused and click it all the time. Also i don't use workspaces and can't remove it :(
[18:32] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.19+20100601-3ubuntu2
[18:32] <bandit5432> dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 25488 package 'xmount':
[18:32] <bandit5432>  junk after word in `priority' field
[18:32] <digitalfiz> I am having a issue with firefox being used to open all links even though chrome is set to be default
[18:32] <shadaloo> guys
[18:32] <shadaloo> why am I getting so many errors with kernel 2.6.35-25?
[18:32] <digitalfiz> the reason im asking in ubuntu because its effecting all programs not just this one or that one so I assume its something with ubuntu