[00:41] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: 18.04?
[00:55] <OvenWerks> The build fail email we got... I could not find out which build looking at the email.
[00:55] <OvenWerks> Just that it is our ISO
[01:03] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I wouldn't worry about it right now. The floodgates of focal only just opened. Probably failing for a lot of flavors right now.
[01:04] <OvenWerks> Ah, focal is the cycle name. That makes sense now.
[01:04]  * OvenWerks would prefer just numbers :P
[01:43] <krytarik> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/essays1743/2.100-4 - well, regardless of when the phased-out transitional ttf-essays1743 will be dropped from the archive, should definitely flip that to the actual new fonts-essays1743 one in the fonts seed though.
[02:15] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: Agreed.
[02:59] <Eickmeyer> Done
[15:18] <Pixel01> Hi all, new user here. Looking forward to install ubuntu Studio! I wanted to point out that in the page https://ubuntustudio.org/2019/10/ubuntu-studio-19-10-released/ the "Ubuntu Studio Backports PPA" link is broken. Is this the right URL instead? -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/BackportsPPA
[21:01] <OvenWerks> 19.10 should not (yet) have backports available.
[21:01] <OvenWerks> there is nothing to backport yet
[21:01] <OvenWerks> Pixel01: ^^
[21:02] <OvenWerks> it will be propably at least another month before we release anything new for 20.04
[21:03] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: should there be some sort of a place holder in backports to make it so it works at cycle release? (Is that even possible?)


[12:56] <cmaloney> morning
[13:35] <jrwren> Good Morning
[13:59] <_stink__> yo
[14:52] <rick_h> Party
[15:37] <jrwren> so... somehow my lxd zpool disappeared, but I still have a device type zfs.
[15:37] <jrwren> does anyone know how to recover?
[15:37] <jrwren> all the "docs" are about creating new, not about importing a device already created.
[15:38] <jrwren> zpool attach maybe?
[15:40] <jrwren> ah! no, i'm looking for zpool import, but in my case, its zfs on lvm, so I need to add -d /dev/vgname
[15:41] <jrwren> ok, this makes no sense. zpool import says it is there and can be used, but zpool list says no pools.
[15:43] <jrwren> added -a to import all and it works. neato bambido
[15:43] <jrwren> yay, i can use lxc again
[15:48] <cmaloney> nice


[14:17] <cmaloney> Good morning
[15:12] <wolfger> well, if nobody else is going to say it, I guess I will: Good morning, cmaloney
[15:26] <brousch> I only say, "good morning" to him after he plays his turn in Go
[15:31] <cmaloney> har har
[15:32] <cmaloney> played
[15:32] <cmaloney> (unlike ColonelPanic001 )
[16:31] <cmaloney> wolfger: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2ew7lt/enlightenment_19_moves_to_rc3_lands_more_wayland/
[16:31] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/FJPZTl - Enlightenment 19 moves to RC3, lands more Wayland work : linux
[16:43] <wolfger> e19? Are they skipping 18?
[16:46] <wolfger> At some point this weekend I need to see if there's an ubuntu package for e17 and install it.
[16:47] <aisrael> there is :D
[16:47] <aisrael> I installed it yesterday
[16:48] <wolfger> ++
[16:48] <ColonelPanic001> HAY
[16:49] <wolfger> any preliminary likes/dislikes?
[16:57] <aisrael> Not yet. I still need to finish configuring x. I've used it before and liked it, though.
[17:12] <wolfger> I used to use e16 way back in <mumble-cough> when I first started using Linux (Mandrake 7.2 off the store shelves). Loved it for a while, then decided to try everything else under the sun, and e16 just really paled next to KDE3. Hell, KDE4 pales next to KDE3. :-p
[17:12] <wolfger> Now I hear KDE5 is coming, and I'm terrified.
[17:51] <jrwren> wolfger: I used enlightenment back in the 0.8.x and 0.9.x, and maybe as far back as 0.6.x :)
[17:51] <jrwren> it was SOOOOOoooo awesome in 1996
[19:53] <cmaloney> rick_h_: http://yahooeng.tumblr.com/post/96098168666/important-announcement-regarding-yui
[19:53] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/aWJKW0 - Important Announcement Regarding YUI | Yahoo Engineering
[19:57]  * brousch comforts rick_h_


[00:08] <jocelaine> Hi!
[00:25] <Bolita> Hi
[00:25] <Bolita> Any girl to penetrate hard?
[00:26] <tomreyn> !ot | Bolita
[00:52] <toddc> ubuntu 22.04 old kernal unmet dependendencies unable to fix or remove any ideas https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HWfVkPTV4s/
[00:56] <tomreyn> "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `rpool/ROOT/ubuntu_1f0rmd'." seems to be the error preventing removal of package linux-image-5.15.0-57-generic
[00:56] <tomreyn> toddc: ^
[00:56] <sarnold> oww, this looks a bit annoying to figure out. I think I'd try: sudo apt install linux-image-unsigned-5.15.0-57-generic- linux-image-unsigned-5.15.0-57-generic linux-headers-5.15.0-57-generic linux-modules-extra-5.15.0-57-generic linux-tools
[01:06] <Gideon> is there a practical mthod of remapping a usb 10key kepad for macros?
[01:07] <toddc> sarnold: same    error code 1 and unmet dependencies fix broken install fails
[01:08] <sarnold> toddc: pastebin the new errors?
[01:08] <tomreyn> Gideon: what's a "usb 10key kepad for macros"?
[01:09] <sarnold> tomreyn: I assume more like, a 10-key numberpad keyboard -- and the goal is to use it for macros, rather than numbers
[01:10] <Gideon> external numeric usb keypad
[01:10] <tomreyn> ah, thanks. i just found it's a numpad
[01:10] <Gideon> yes
[01:11] <tomreyn> on xorg, it'll be xev to get the scancodes and xmodmap to assign new function
[01:11] <Gideon> I want to map for phrases for productivity
[01:12] <Gideon> awesome thanx
[01:12] <toddc> sarnold: same no worries i have a backup to use just hoping a fast easy fix backup should be easy to sync
[01:14] <toddc> thank you sarnold and tomreyn
[01:14] <tomreyn> Gideon: but current ubuntu uses wayland rather than xorg, it may be different there. for actual macros or command execution, maybe what gnome provides for key assignment is actually better.
[01:14] <tomreyn> (in settings -> keyboard)
[01:15] <Gideon> itd recognized as a device but not under keboard settings
[01:20] <Gideon> that would also change my num on the keyboard. Iwant to use this external as its own fuction without changing my main board
[01:22] <sarnold> if xev doesn't show different scan codes for it than your main ten key, that might not be possible
[01:23] <Gideon> Nothing is Not Possible. Just means I have a lot of werk to do . Just wanted a clean start. Thnx Tho
[01:26] <tomreyn> you might need to write your own driver for this usb device then
[01:27] <sarnold> oh that might be easier than flashing a new firmware on the device
[01:28] <Gideon> That's what I thought and hoping to avoid.   ;-)
[01:29] <Gideon> Good new is, 15 year old targus kepad works great in ubuntu.
[01:33] <tomreyn> !info input-remapper
[01:33] <tomreyn> https://github.com/sezanzeb/input-remapper - i'm not sure what it does under the hood but apparently it can handle input per usb device differently
[01:35] <Gideon> Thnx I'll Chk it Out
[01:36] <Gideon> Awesome - I can werk with this
[01:37] <Gideon> Thnx
[01:38] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[01:39] <Gideon> Just an old Hack mixn New toys with old toys.  ;)
[01:49] <Gideon> GRB
[02:03] <hassletime> hey all
[02:03] <hassletime> hope everyone is well
[02:05] <arraybolt3> hassletime: o/
[02:06] <hassletime> hey arraybolt3 :)
[02:06] <hassletime> how are ya mate?
[02:06] <arraybolt3> Not too shabby.
[02:06] <hassletime> same same bit wet here today
[02:07] <hassletime> should i ask a Question hahaha
[02:09] <hassletime> ok question is. i installed Garuda just to check it out.In the end there were a few things i really didnt like so i went back to ubuntu.BUT
[02:10] <hassletime> and i say BUT. i really like there "konsole" it completed or predicted your commands.
[02:10] <hassletime> can you have that on ubuntu
[02:10] <rbox> whatever is doing that is some random script
[02:10] <rbox> so you just need to load whatever that script is
[02:10] <hassletime> i see
[02:10] <pycurious> I'm trying to run gpu burn on an ubuntu machine - and get this error. - > https://dpaste.org/36Pb6 - any ideas on how to fix this? Where can I get help on this? Thanks.
[02:11] <hassletime> ill do some research
[02:11] <rbox> pycurious: that looks like a bug in the code
[02:11] <pycurious> rbox: it runs fine on my other 2 ubuntu boxes that have cuda 12.0
[02:12] <rbox> ok... and?
[02:12] <arraybolt3> hassletime: I wonder what shell Garuda uses in Konsole.
[02:12] <arraybolt3> (Sorry to have vanished, juggling chat and work atm.)
[02:12] <hassletime> hahah all good
[02:12] <pycurious> rbox: what is the correct way to install nvidia drivers and cuda on ubuntu 20.04LTS?
[02:12] <pycurious> from cli please
[02:12] <rbox> with the apt packages
[02:12] <arraybolt3> pycurious: the ubuntu-drivers command.
[02:12] <arraybolt3> Or... hold on I may have misspelled that.
[02:13] <arraybolt3> Nope, I got it right.
[02:13] <arraybolt3> "sudo ubuntu-drivers install" should autodetect them and do it.
[02:13] <arraybolt3> pycurious: ^
[02:13] <hassletime> it seems to be a script called "fish"
[02:13] <pycurious> arraybolt3: https://dpaste.org/RBjTP - is this a normal output of that command?
[02:14] <hassletime> It's the fish shell with Starship
[02:14] <pycurious> arraybolt3: It seems I've a bunch of those installed already - perhaps i need to clean them first correctly?
[02:14] <pycurious> or is it that ubuntu-drivers devices - tells you with that list - what is available?
[02:14] <arraybolt3> hassletime: I think the fish shell is available in Ubuntu.
[02:15] <hassletime> any idea what starship is ?
[02:15] <arraybolt3> pycurious: I think it's showing you what is available for your card.
[02:15] <pycurious> arraybolt3: looks like its recommending driver   : nvidia-driver-525-open - distro non-free recommended ?
[02:16] <arraybolt3> hassletime: https://starship.rs/ looks like it.
[02:16] <arraybolt3> pycurious: I believe that is correct.
[02:16] <arraybolt3> I think "sudo ubuntu-drivers install nvidia-driver-525-open" should do it.
[02:17] <hassletime> is startship the colour format?
[02:17] <sarnold> no, it's a shell prompt thingy
[02:17] <sarnold> PS1 in bash
[02:18] <pycurious> arraybolt3: if its recommended -it looks like the "autoinstall" does it as well
[02:18] <arraybolt3> Autoinstall is listed as "Deprecated, please use "install" instead".
[02:18] <arraybolt3> Thus why I avoided it.
[02:19] <hassletime> thank you sarnold
[02:21] <pycurious> arraybolt3: NVRM: GPU 0000:04:00.0: rm_init_adapter failed, device minor number 0
[02:21] <pycurious> arraybolt3: looks like that ubuntu-drivers broke my nvidia drivers
[02:23] <arraybolt3> pycurious: That seems unlikely since that's the tool that the Ubuntu installer uses to install the drivers in the first place. But... sigh, it's not beyond possibility.
[02:23] <pycurious> arraybolt3: any ideas on how to fix?
[02:23] <arraybolt3> Really though, this looks like a possible GPU fault, maybe not broken drivers.
[02:24] <arraybolt3> What does "lsmod | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999" output? It should spit out a link.
[02:24] <arraybolt3> That link will give me info to see if the modules are there and loaded.
[02:25] <pycurious> arraybolt3: https://dpaste.org/HVWrN
[02:25] <arraybolt3> Yeah that looks like the drivers are installed properly.
[02:25] <arraybolt3> What NVIDIA card is this?
[02:25] <arraybolt3> Perhaps it has the recommended driver wrong.
[02:26] <pycurious> 3090 x 2
[02:27] <arraybolt3> Yeah, the 525 driver is right.
[02:27] <pycurious> arraybolt3: https://dpaste.org/aoAHz - this is from a machine that actually works
[02:27] <arraybolt3> Yeah, the loaded drivers are identical.
[02:28] <arraybolt3> pycurious: https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/nvidia-smi-shows-no-devices-were-found-and-dmesg-shows-rm-init-adapter-failed-device-minor-number-0/203986
[02:28] <arraybolt3> You aren't using GPU passthrough by any chance are you?
[02:29] <pycurious> arraybolt3: no gpu pass through
[02:30] <arraybolt3> pycurious: Where did you happen to buy these GPUs from? I'm suspecting possible hardware failure.
[02:31] <pycurious> arraybolt3: 5 minutes ago - nvidia-smil was working fine. ubuntu-drivers autoinstall installed that 525 driver - and things broke. Why suspect hardware? Those cards are directly from nvidia.
[02:31] <arraybolt3> pycurious: What driver were you using before?
[02:31] <pycurious> 515 I think
[02:31] <arraybolt3> (I suspected hardware because I was missing info about "5 minutes ago", and also was missing info about where the cards came from - perhaps they were old cryptomining relics.)
[02:32] <arraybolt3> pycurious: So, ok wait start from the top. You had the cards working with an earlier driver. Why did we just install a newer one? What was broken in the first place?
[02:33] <arraybolt3> Ah, I see in the backlog.
[02:33] <pycurious> one program was complaining it cant run. I can run that program with driver 525 on similar machines, so i moved 515 to 525 - using ubuntu-drivers autoinstall - then hell broke loose :)
[02:34] <arraybolt3> pycurious: OK. I didn't realize that 515 was already installed - I came in at "how to install drivers properly on Ubuntu" and just gave the normal, generic answer. Maybe we have a weird mix of drivers now.
[02:35] <arraybolt3> pycurious: OK, what I've done in the past when I borked my NVIDIA drivers is just purge all of them and then install only the one I want. "sudo apt purge nvidia*" should do it (though be careful if you have anything NVIDIA installed other than the drivers!).
[02:36] <arraybolt3> pycurious: Then try "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" again to reinstall the right driver.
[02:37] <pycurious> give me a few minutes - will try - thanks
[02:41] <pycurious> arraybolt3: when i run this - "ubuntu-drivers install nvidia-driver-525-open"  I get "No drivers found for installation."
[02:47] <Bashing-om> pycurious: Dependency issue ? See in terminal ' apt show nvidia-driver-525-open ' .
[02:48] <lubuntu> hello
[02:48] <pycurious> Bashing-om: will look after the reboot - and report. Thanks
[02:48] <lubuntu> \msg
[02:50] <pycurious> Bashing-om: https://dpaste.org/r5L8m
[02:50] <pycurious> arraybolt3: ^
[03:04] <Bashing-om> pycurious: Was to focus your attention to " depends on the NVIDIA binary driver". what shows ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' ?
[03:08] <pycurious> Bashing-om: 525.85.05-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> - at this point i tried the ppa drivers from nvidia - no use - all these drivers are giving me trouble. The latest one says "No devices found". dmesg says NVRM: GPU 0000:0a:00.0: rm_init_adapter failed, device minor number 1
[03:10] <Bashing-om> pycurious: No idea - but let's do look at waht all is installed - pastebin that ; ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' output, please.
[03:10] <pycurious> From journalctl -b0 -g nvidia -> Failed to allocate NvKmsKapiDevice + Failed to register device
[03:10] <Bashing-om> what*
[03:11] <jhutchins> pycurious: Sounds like the nv kernel module doesn't know your chipset.
[03:11] <pycurious> Bashing-om: https://dpaste.org/GQ5Ep
[03:13] <pycurious> jhutchins: I went from my nvidia-smi working 5 minutes ago -> ubuntu-drivers autoinstall -> 525 - and no nvidia-smi - then to 525 (not open) -> then to nvidia ppa driver (This one says no devices found)
[03:14] <jhutchins> pycurious: No backups or you wouldn't be here.
[03:15] <jhutchins> pycurious: Sorry.  Still, that's the kernel module complaining, xorg usually explicitly calls out the chipset unknown.
[03:15] <jhutchins> I could also be completely wrong.
[03:16] <pycurious> jhutchins: I can goto backups - but i 'd want to fix my drivers if possible and find out how to - and if ubuntu-drivers messes up things - perhaps that should not be recommended?
[03:17] <jhutchins> Meh.  It works for a lot of people. Problem is, there are a LOT of Nvidia systems.
[03:18] <jhutchins> pycurious: My recommendation, keeping in mind that I might be completely off-track is 1) Strip out every scrap of any nvidia specific package you have.  2) Follow the instructions from the nvidia site EXACTLY, word-for-word, and install the driver that best matches your model number.
[03:18] <jhutchins> I am recommending a non-Ubuntu solution, you will get nothing but grief about it here.
[03:19] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: Not true :) At this point any solution is a possibly good one.
[03:19] <arraybolt3> I've seen the .run driver work when the apt packages didn't.
[03:20] <arraybolt3> I don't understand why, I don't particularly like that it happens, and I usually would not recommend trying the .run driver, but in this instance we already purge all NVIDIA drivers and then reinstalled, if that didn't work, then the .run driver is a reasonable resort, if for no other reason than testing.
[03:20] <arraybolt3> *correction - I won't give grief for recommending the NVIDIA driver, I don't know how others feel.
[03:20] <pycurious> jhutchins: how do i strip? sudo apt purge nvidia* ?
[03:21] <arraybolt3> pycurious: That's what's worked for me at least.
[03:21] <arraybolt3> (For stripping existing NVIDIA drivers.)
[03:22] <jhutchins> You might, just as a precaution, search the system for nv or nvidia files.  I don't remember how deep I had to go with that.
[03:23] <jhutchins> I do remember I was thorough and merciless.
[03:23] <jhutchins> Oh, clean boot after cleaning.
[03:29] <pycurious> ok - after apt purge nvidia* && apt autoremove && apt install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau && reboot - the system did not come back up - port 22 - connection refused. So this will have to now wait till tomorrow - time to sleep :)
[03:29] <pycurious>
[03:33] <pycurious> i spoke too soon - it did come back up
[03:34] <pycurious> https://dpaste.org/LdRac - where is this coming from?
[03:34] <pycurious> I thought I just deleted everything and rebooted
[03:37] <pycurious> This now shows 11 packages - dpkg --list | grep nvidia | wc -l
[03:37] <pycurious> is it automatically downloading and installing things? why?
[03:43] <hassletime> ok back
[03:43] <hassletime> had to get some gardening done while there was a break in the weather
[04:15] <cobraeriko> Have an old SSD (external) with Ubuntu 22.04; has a clean filesystem but broken boot sector. Can I rsync the root / of the old drive over to the new drive without copying the broken boot sector? Could I do this by excluding the /boot dir?
[04:24] <enyc> hrrm  Whats' going on with this update to  shim-signed  ?
[04:24] <enyc> The following packages have been kept back: grub-efi-amd64-bin grub-efi-amd64-signed shim-signed
[04:25] <enyc> if you explicitly install  shim-signed (to update it "now")  you get a conflict message
[04:25] <enyc> The following packages have unmet dependencies. base-files : Conflicts: base-files:i386 base-files:i386 : Conflicts: base-files
[04:25] <enyc> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[04:25] <enyc> yet, no i386 packages installed
[04:26] <enyc> ii  base-files     21.1.0       amd64        Debian base system miscellaneous files
[04:50] <tomreyn> cobraeriko: there are the -x and --exclude options for rsync. it's not clear what exactly you are referring to by boot sector? the first block, or first few blocks, on an MBR partitioned disk for a BIOS booting system? or is this for UEFI boot, then there is no such thing.
[04:51] <tomreyn> enyc: i'm guessing you have mixed packages of different ubuntu releases or PPA's (providing newer / conflicting packages)
[04:52] <tomreyn> i'd start with    apt policy base-files:i386 base-files shim-signed
[04:54] <tomreyn> no ubuntu release has base-files in version 21.1.0: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=base-files
[05:21] <enyc> tomreyn: aaaaaaaaaaaaah its a derilavite thing  and I'm asking in wrong place aha   thankyou for the pointer to "apt policy" command
[05:22] <tomreyn> oopsie, and you're welcome
[05:36] <cobraeriko> My old disk is a UEFI boot (since /sys/firmware/efi exists). Get a black screen where login menu should appear. My new drive boots with UEFI/GRUB partition and works. What dirs from the old filesystem must I exclude in the rsync command to not break the boot of my new drive? The /boot dir?
[05:38] <cosmicrajiv> is the latest update of 22.04 affects secure boot?
[05:38] <cobraeriko> (I am a linux newb and may be confused)
[05:40] <cosmicrajiv> after updating my asus laptop 'secure boot violation invalid signature detected' is showing while try to boot with secureboot enabled.
[05:41] <cosmicrajiv> i have disabled it and it works fine. i am also using nvidia proprietary driver.
[05:41] <lotuspsychj3> cosmicrajiv: uname -a plz?
[05:42] <cosmicrajiv> Linux ASUSUBUNTU 5.19.0-32-generic #33~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon Jan 30 17:03:34 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:42] <lotuspsychj3> cosmicrajiv: i had a select bootup devices this morning on boot, maybe related im on 5.19 hwe too
[05:43] <cosmicrajiv> yeah may be
[05:44] <cosmicrajiv> and the great news is i am not able to use any linux os with secure boot enabled after that update.
[05:44] <lotuspsychj3> cosmicrajiv: i got secureboot off for the record
[05:44] <tomreyn> cobraeriko: if booting off the old SSD works to the point wheere the desktop manager would load (but the screen remains black there) then that's a matter of configurations, driver loaded or similar. it won't be too easy to tell what you would need to omit for this not to happen. but maybe it's sufficient to just copy the user directory from /home/ ?
[05:45] <cosmicrajiv> lotuspsychj3; i have also disabled secureboot. and i keep it disabled now. it's a crap fro microsoft.
[05:45] <cosmicrajiv> fro/from*
[05:48] <tomreyn> cosmicrajiv: when you say this occurred "after updating [your] asus laptop", are you referring to ubuntu updates, to a uefi/bios upgrade, or something else?
[05:48] <cosmicrajiv> after ubuntu updates
[05:49] <cosmicrajiv> i had not even touched bios for a very long time
[05:49] <cosmicrajiv> until that occured
[05:50] <lotuspsychj3> tomreyn cosmicrajiv let me verify it still asks boot order on a new reboot here brb
[05:50] <tomreyn> hmm, so you're saying an ubuntu update introduced that you could no longer boot any linux system on your computer. the only way i could imagine this to happen would be if something went wrong while generating or installing the secure boot MOK.
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> no, cant reproduce anymore
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> boots to ssd by default
[05:54] <cosmicrajiv> i don't know what it is but yes i have got the same violation error when i tried to install fedora as well as opensuse (just for testing purpose) with secure boot enabled.
[05:55] <cosmicrajiv> tomreyn; i don't know about all linux os but yes with these two along with ubuntu i have got the same error.
[05:59] <cobraeriko> What I want to do is copy over all my apps, files, and settings of my old drive. So copying just the /home directory would be insufficient unfortunately. Can I reinstall GRUB EFI on the old disk, so as to resolve any broken boot configurations, drivers, etc?
[06:09] <alkisg> cobraeriko: you cannot copy applications, you would need to reinstall them with `apt install ...`. You can use the new grub efi to boot the old installation, if both disks are connected
[06:09] <tomreyn> cosmicrajiv: hmm, hard to tell what happened there. i think there was a somewhat recent change where microsoft replaced their secureboot signing certigicate which comes pre-installed on many systems to a different one, and all other OSes which got signed by microsofts's were no longer considered "valid" with secure boot on. but i don't recall the details. with secure boot off, you won't run into such issues.
[06:17] <cobraeriko> Ok, so if I can't copy applications, then I want to clone my old filesystem onto the new drive. (and I don't care about anything on this new drive). But before I clone the old drive, I must fix the broken boot loader. Would making a brand new grub efi on the old disk make sense to fix the broken boot sector?
[06:18] <cobraeriko> *broken boot loader
[06:21] <tomreyn> cobraeriko: to make the old installation work again, you'd need to boot the computer from an ubuntu live usb/ cd-rom and chroot into the installation on the disk, then run update-grub and grub-install
[06:23] <tomreyn> most likely, because i don't know exactly what caused it not to work in the first place. one of the important properties of uefi booting you need to know is that the boot loader is not neccessarily stored on the disk the OS is installed on. in fact, you usually only have one "efi system partition" on one drive which all the operating systems would installt heir boot loader, too
[06:23] <tomreyn> *to
[06:25] <alkisg> cobraeriko: are both disks connected currently? If so, as I said, you can use the new grub to boot the old installation
[06:26] <cobraeriko> alkisg: indeed, I tried using the new grub to boot the old installation but to no avail.
[06:27] <alkisg> cobraeriko: add GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false in grub.cfg, run sudo update-grub, then the old installation should appear
[06:27] <alkisg> If you try to boot it and it fails to boot, then upload a screenshot
[06:40] <cobraeriko> alkisg: I assume you mean in /boot/grub/grub.cfg? or is it /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg? I assume the latter is the mounted efi partition and the former is the mounted BIOS partition since my new drive has a BIOS boot partion and a EFI partition
[06:40] <alkisg> cobraeriko: in /etc/default/grub.cfg
[06:41] <cobraeriko> Oh, thanks
[06:42] <cobraeriko> GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER is already set to false I see
[06:44] <cobraeriko> I will take a screen shot of where the boot fails and be right back
[06:58] <cobraeriko> how do I share a screenshot on here? (i'm new to IRC)
[07:00] <alkisg> You upload it to e.g. imgur.com and then paste the link here
[07:00] <tomreyn> cobraeriko: better, yet, at least for text, you'll use a pastebin, though
[07:00] <tomreyn> !paste
[07:03] <cobraeriko> screenshot link: https://imgur.com/lfxUsYI
[07:06] <alkisg> cobraeriko: this doesn't help; use the advanced options > recovery mode, to be able to see the text; then try to get a screenshot of the last error message before it shows a blank screen
[07:07] <alkisg> If it's hard to get a screenshot of the last error, then get a video instead
[07:08] <cobraeriko> yea, I'll try to get a video. Can I load that to imgurr?
[07:08] <tomreyn> i think they do videos as well
[07:08] <cobraeriko> *imgur
[07:08] <cobraeriko> will do thanks
[07:08] <alkisg> cobraeriko: make sure to use the recovery mode, so that text is shown (the default mode uses "quiet")
[07:09] <cobraeriko> right
[07:21] <cobraeriko> well i took a video with my phone but the quality is sh*t. So probably not much use https://imgur.com/LHft5OO
[07:22] <symbolcat> hello
[07:38] <alkisg> cobraeriko77: it's good enough to see it's not a problem with grub
[07:39] <alkisg> cobraeriko77: do the same thing once more. Then at the dialog, select to enable networking, and then to get a root shell. There, type: apt update; apt full-upgrade
[07:39] <tomreyn> cobraeriko: ^
[07:39]  * alkisg blames matrix :D
[07:39] <tomreyn> :)
[07:44] <hermano> Trying to use openconnect instead of 'cisco anconnect'. I havent figured out where to find the vpn host in cisco anyconnect. There is a dropdown at start with a name, but that name cannot be pinged.
[07:45] <blahboybaz> Why doesn't ubuntu fix the small /boot size issue that leads to errors from not having enough space? If it is happening to me every time and upgrade pulls in something that goes there then it is happening to a log of others as well (everyon taking that update)
[07:45] <blahboybaz> log\lot
[07:47] <tomreyn> hermano: there's probably a website where you can login to manage your vpn access, too, or download the anyconnect software from, too? it will be on the same host
[07:47] <blahboybaz> hermano: fwiw (and you probably already know).. there exists a #networking on this server
[07:47] <blahboybaz> just trying to help
[07:48] <hermano> blahboybaz, Sure thanks. Thas how it was on my previous assignment. But in current assignment you do not download cisco client, its preinstalled, so I do not have the portal webpage. Will ask around.
[07:50] <tomreyn> hermano: i think you can also make it log, or just see where it connects to, using    sudo lsof -i    or    ss
[08:00] <blahboybaz> hermano: no problem
[08:14] <cobraeriko> I did the apt update and apt full-upgrade after enabling networking. The full-upgrade process ended with error code 1 and this screen: https://imgur.com/sQUsdRh
[08:14] <cobraeriko> I had a video recorded of this but it was too long for imgur
[08:16] <cobraeriko> Get the same blank screen as before when I try to boot to the old drive after doing this. for what it's worth
[08:24] <cobraeriko> Where should I go from here to fix the boot of this drive?
[08:25] <tomreyn> cobraeriko: hmm, running install-info failed, i'm not even sure what that is, let's see
[08:27] <tomreyn> cobraeriko: can you   sudo dpkg -P install-info && sudo apt install install-info
[08:29] <alkisg> Or try an apt full-upgrade once more, so that it shows less messages now, so that we see the error that install-info bumps into
[08:30] <tomreyn> wouldn't that print the exact same messages, though?
[08:31] <cobraeriko> first I'll try what alkisg said. In case there's something there.
[08:32] <alkisg> tomreyn: it depends; let's say there's a 50% chance to see the message now (since scrollback is disabled, and instructing how to use screen/tmux/script would take a while)
[08:32] <alkisg> cobraeriko: actually... do this:
[08:32] <alkisg> script -c apt full-upgrade
[08:32] <tomreyn> just left
[08:33] <alkisg> #$(*&$#( matrix is getting more and more annoying :D
[08:33]  * alkisg joins from irc as well...
[08:43] <cobraeriko> Here is a video of the apt full-upgrade https://imgur.com/8pAQZWy
[08:45] <cobraeriko> well since the quality turned out so bad, you probably can't read the screen. well I tried anyway
[08:46] <alkisg> cobraeriko: nah we can't read that. Try this instead: script -c 'apt full-upgrade'
[08:46] <alkisg> And when it's done, this: cat typescript | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:47] <cobraeriko> ok thanks I'll try that
[08:50] <cobraeriko> I should have netcat installed. Never done this before. How will you get the output/log?
[08:50] <alkisg> cobraeriko: nc is preinstalled in ubuntu
[08:52] <cobraeriko> good call lol
[08:52] <cobraeriko> so I then just paste the url I get from running that command?
[08:53] <alkisg> Right
[08:53] <cobraeriko> thx
[08:59] <hassletime> arraybolt3, you alive
[09:05] <cobraeriko> Here's the terminal log https://termbin.com/s5aqw
[09:09] <cobraeriko> for what it's worth the process was super quick
[09:09] <tomreyn> so the post-installation script of the "install-info" package cannot seem to find the "rm" command, or it can't find the file it is meant to run "rm" on, not sure.
[09:10] <tomreyn> did you try to    dpkg -P    the package, yet?
[09:11] <dlpuser>       --暂无历史消息--
[09:11] <dlpuser> dlpuser-PC:  2023-02-22 16:31:55
[09:11] <dlpuser> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[09:11] <dlpuser> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[09:11] <cobraeriko> hmmm that's interesting tomreyn. I'll try your suggestion now. What was the command again?
[09:11] <dlpuser> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[09:11] <dlpuser> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 cobraeriko: can you   sudo dpkg -P install-info && sudo apt install install-info
[09:13] <cobraeriko> got it thanks I'll try that
[09:14] <tomreyn> dlpuser_: you just spammed the channel, please don't do it again.
[09:22] <cobraeriko> So I tried sudo dpkg -P install-info && sudo apt install info-info and got this error: https://imgur.com/6bZGLDo
[09:23] <cobraeriko> * sudo dpkg -P install-info && sudo apt install install-info
[09:23] <tomreyn> cobraeriko: sudo apt purge install-info info && sudo apt install install-info
[09:24] <alkisg> cobraeriko: are you rebooting whenever we ask you to do something? If so, join IRC from phone...
[09:24] <tomreyn> or any other computer
[09:24] <alkisg> And, what's the output of this command? ( tail -n 500 /var/log/apt/history.log; which rm; dpkg -l coreutils) | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:25] <alkisg> cobraeriko: actually, let's do something else
[09:25] <alkisg> Boot with your working ubuntu
[09:25] <alkisg> Then we'll tell you how to chroot into the non-working one
[09:25] <alkisg> Hrm :)
[09:26] <alkisg> cobraeriko26: boot with your working ubuntu, and we'll tell you how to chroot into the non-working one
[09:26] <alkisg> So that you can use a browser for irc
[09:26] <alkisg> And it'll be easier to copy/paste stuff in the chroot
[09:28] <cobraeriko> Ok, I'm using my working Ubuntu. How do I chroot into the non working one?
[09:31] <alkisg> cobraeriko: sudo lsblk -fe7 | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:31] <tomreyn> cobraeriko: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[09:31] <cobraeriko> I mount the drive first, right?
[09:32] <cobraeriko> Can I have to use a live CD/live-USB or can I chroot from my working Ubuntu?
[09:33] <tomreyn> either should work
[09:33] <tomreyn> you don't need to mount anything to run alkisg's command
[09:33] <cobraeriko> ok thanks
[09:34] <tomreyn> to get peoples' attanetion when you speak here, add their nickname to what you say, like so: "tomreyn: it's working now!"
 I suppose the command pertaining to apt history should be run after I have chrooted into the old drive, yes?
[09:38] <alkisg> If you see any error message, mention it
[09:39] <Daniel> why is firefox crashing non stop on any ubuntu, 20.x 22.x? keeps seeing that around the internet aswell
[09:39] <Daniel> I would have removed it from the apps if its that unstable and shitty
[09:43] <Arsimael> Mornin'. I have a problem which I can't find any solution online: How can I add a local repo which I created with debmirror to ubuntu?
[09:44] <Arsimael> I can't install apache2 since I have to add the repo first to install anything, so I need to add the repo somehowwhile it's on my external drive.
[09:47] <cobraeriko> stupid question but I don't literally type do in "do mount --bind...' do I?
[09:47] <alkisg> cobraeriko: yes, you copy paste the whole command:  for d in proc sys dev dev/pts run boot/efi; do mount --bind /$d $d; done
[09:48] <alkisg> Including the semicolons
[09:49] <cobraeriko> I get this return: 'mount: boot/efi: mount point does not exist.'
[09:51] <tomreyn> Arsimael: i *think* you just write the path to the repository into sources.list, like you'd do for a http archive server, adding the other options as well.
[09:51] <Arsimael> like "deb file:/path/to/repo focal main"?
[09:51] <cobraeriko> at this point I've ran umount /dev/sdb1; mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt and cd to mnt
[09:52] <tomreyn> Arsimael: yes, i would think so
[09:53] <Arsimael> Sadly, this doesn't work.
[09:53] <alkisg> cobraeriko: it's OK, it means that one of your installations is uefi and the other one isn't
[09:53] <alkisg> cobraeriko: continue with the chroot command
[09:53] <tomreyn> Arsimael: is there an error message?
[09:53] <Arsimael> it sais it can't find "file:/path/focal/main/dep11/icons-48x48-tar
[09:53] <alkisg> cobraeriko: feel free to type "alkisg" in front of your sentences here so that I know you're talking to me, I don't watch the IRC browser tab all the time...
[09:54] <Arsimael> But the file is there
[09:54] <tomreyn> Arsimael: try just "deb /path/to/repo focal main" or try "deb file:///path/to/repo focal main"
[09:54] <cobraeriko> "alkisg", when I enter chroot I get "chroot: missing operand"
[09:55] <alkisg> cobraeriko: there was a dot there, you missed it: chroot .
[09:55] <Arsimael> Not working. If I remove the "file:" it tells me my sourcefile is not correct and file:// tells me "Local uri's are not starting with //
[09:55] <cobraeriko> "alkisg" , ok I got in
[09:56] <Arsimael> oh. wait.
[09:56] <tomreyn> Arsimael: does /path/focal/main/dep11/icons-48x48-tar exist, though?
[09:56] <alkisg> cobraeriko: nice, now do the big command with the apt logs that I said before
[09:56] <Arsimael> icons-48x48.tar.gz exists. it looks for .tar
[09:58] <tomreyn> Arsimael: hmm, maybe there's some Acquire:: option to make it use tar.gz rather than .tar
[09:58] <cobraeriko> "alkisg", when I run that command I get: "nc: getaddrinfo for host "termbin.com" port 9999: Name or service not known"
[09:59] <tomreyn> (man apt.conf - see also the debugging options there)
[09:59] <Arsimael> tomreyn, how?
[09:59] <alkisg> cobraeriko: that means one of your installations isn't using the default systemd-resolved. Quick fix: rm /etc/resolv.conf; echo nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> >/etc/resolv.conf; then repeat the big command
[09:59] <tomreyn> Arsimael: how what?
[09:59] <Arsimael> ah. I misread that.
[10:00] <alkisg> cobraeriko: if you wish, we could do screen-sharing instead and finish this 10 times faster, if so ask me for quick vnc instructions
[10:00] <cobraeriko> "alkisg", here's the results: https://termbin.com/zmksm
[10:01] <tomreyn> Arsimael: i got to leave for now, good luck!
[10:01] <cobraeriko> thanks tomreyn
[10:01] <Arsimael> tomreyn, I fucked up the repo and need to remirror it anyways. Thanks for the help so far
[10:02] <alkisg> cobraeriko: inside the chroot as you are, try once more: apt full-upgrade
[10:02] <alkisg> cobraeriko: if it fails, put the results in some pastebin, e.g. paste.debian.net
[10:04] <cobraeriko> "alkisg", will this suffice? https://termbin.com/ht95k
[10:05] <alkisg> cobraeriko: press y, then see if you get the same error as before
[10:06] <cobraeriko> yea I entered " apt full-upgrade  | nc termbin.com 9999" and it didnt give me the option to press Y, just returned that URL
[10:07] <cobraeriko> will this work? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3K5dnDp7PV/
[10:08] <alkisg> cobraeriko: dpkg -V install-info | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:09] <alkisg> Or better yet, plain dpkg -V install-info, without the nc part
[10:09] <alkisg> And tell us the output, if any
[10:09] <cobraeriko> yea, no output
[10:09] <cobraeriko> with either command
[10:14] <cobraeriko> "alkisg", for what it's worth, install-info --help returns the help menu
[10:14] <alkisg> cobraeriko: try apt install --reinstall install-info
[10:17] <cobraeriko> "alkisg", I got this result https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3K5dnDp7PV/
[10:20] <alkisg> cobraeriko: do you mind if we do screen sharing instead? Something is very borked if /usr/sbin/update-info-dir cannot find the rm command, and things got very busy here so I don't have free time anymore... or we can postpone for tomorrow morning
[10:21] <cobraeriko> I really appreciate all your help alkisg, a lifesaver. Can we postpone for tommorrow morning? I have to go too. What time is good for you?
[10:22] <alkisg> cobraeriko: 4 hours before now is best for me
[10:22] <cobraeriko> That works with me. I'll catch you then. Thanks again
[10:22] <alkisg> 👍
[10:42] <garage404> hey !!!
[10:43] <garage404> i need help with my ubuntu installation
[10:43] <garage404> i've installed xfce4 with the command line, and also xfce4-screensaver
[11:00] <Arsimael> garage404_, thats nice. But without a Question, we are barely able to help :)
[13:04] <node1> I'm using Jammy 22.04 LTS. And i observe some time, that it logging out unexpectedly and then performing a clean boot when you log back in. This happen only when the power comes while my laptop running on the batteries, or i'm inserting somethin like HDMI cable.
[13:04] <node1> Where i can find the logs for such events? inside Ubuntu ?
[13:05] <respawn> dmesg
[13:05] <respawn> in terminal
[13:06] <node1> respawn, It's huge logs what should i find in it?
[13:06] <respawn> what is colored red
[13:07] <node1> Green and Red both
[13:11] <node1> I don't get your question? Do you know how to troubleshoot or find the problems in the error?
[13:24] <ianliu> I've created a Systemd service unit file, and it runs without any errors, but the service isn't injecting my EnvironmentFile variables into it. I define the EnvironmentFile=$HOME/configs/%i, which is the parameter passed when I start my service, like "systemctl start<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Is this syntax correct? Here is a paste of my service: https://termbin.com/6ort6
[13:35] <ianliu> Found it, I need to use %h instead of $HOME
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:56] <taylan> heya, what is a "partner" repository?
[13:57] <taylan> and another question, shouldn't this page tell how to actually enable the backports repo?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports  or is it somehow enabled by default on Ubuntu?  I can't see it in /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:57] <ogra> taylan, that used to be a repo where business partners of canonical could make their softwre available
[13:58] <ogra> but all these business partners have switched to snap packages nowadays (way easier to maintain) ... so the partner repo is pretty much gone from all installs now
[13:59] <taylan> I see, thanks
[13:59] <ogra> to ask about backports, probably ask on their mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports
[14:00] <ogra> backports have been dead for quite a while because nobody stepped up maintaining them ... around the 22.04 cycle some people stepped up and re-vived it again
[14:06] <cent> Is it possible to install a package using a file path. In RHEL it is: "yum install /usr/bin/ls", for example.
[14:06] <cent> I mean a package providing such a file.
[14:07] <taylan> cent: the command to look at is dpkg...  there should be plenty guides for this on the web I think
[14:09] <cent> taylan, thanks. Let me try.
[14:11] <ogra> cent, sudo apt install /path/t👋package_1.2.3.deb
[14:12] <ogra> oops ... silly emoji plugin
[14:12] <ogra> cent, apt does essentially the same as yum here
[14:12] <ogra> (no need for dpkg, which will not install dependencies (apt does))
[14:14] <cent> ogra, No.
[14:14] <cent> I stated it clear.
[14:14] <ogra> no ?
[14:14] <ogra> oh, sorry, i missed you are not installing anything !!
[14:15] <ogra> thats "apt-file" then
[14:15] <cent> No problem. I need to install a packages holding a file or an error that no such a package exists.
[14:15] <cent> OK.
[14:16] <ogra> sudo apt install apt-file; sudo apt-file update ... apt-file search /usr/bin/ls ... will then return all packages with that file pattern
[14:17] <ogra> for things ou have installed, you can indeed use "dpkg -S /usr/bin/ls" but that only works for locally installed packages
[14:17] <ogra> ... i.e. not for fidning a package for a certain command you do not have locally installed already
[14:17] <taylan> my answer was also wrong then, sorry about that
[14:18] <cent> taylan, no problem
[14:19] <taylan> does anyone have a good recommendation to replace GNU Mailman?  I just noticed it's not packaged on 22.04
[14:21] <cent> ogra, worked.
[14:22] <ogra> 👍
[14:22] <ogra> taylan, postfix ... or exim
[14:23] <ogra> hmm or not 😛
[14:23] <leftyfb> ogra: neither of those are list managers :)
[14:23] <taylan> was about to say :D  Mailman is not an email server...
[14:23] <ogra> yeah, i realized that after typing 🙂
[14:24] <ogra> i know many opensource projects switched to discourse for discussions ... but while that offers mailing list usage, it is indeed far more than just an ML tool
[14:25] <leftyfb> taylan: searching apt, looks like sympa is an option
[15:11] <gg> hello guys
[15:11] <gg> how are you?
[15:11] <gg> i am here to ask for small help
[15:12] <ruser> gg: !ask
[15:12] <gg> can anyone help me
[15:13] <gg> aa
[15:13] <gg> ok
[15:13] <gg> i have command
[15:13] <gg> sudo wrmsr -a 0x1FC 262238
[15:13] <gg> how to run on start up it
[15:14] <gg> couse when i restart system i need to write everytime
[15:14] <gg> this
[15:14] <ruser> gg: Place it in /etc/rc.local. (It is run as root, so sudo is not needed there.)
[15:15] <gg> thank you very much
[15:15] <gg> :)
[15:15] <leftyfb> gg: why do you need to run that command on boot?
[15:15] <gg> all the time my cpu start with stucked speed 0.70 Mhz
[15:16] <gg> this command disableing throte
[15:16] <gg> n
[15:20] <blackop> hi
[15:20] <blackop> can i ask about oracle cloud and openvpn which is installed on ubuntu?
[15:21] <blackop> i am trying to setup openvpn on oracle cloud and struggling to generate cert and keys
[16:18] <stiva> Is someone else computer crashing today? I'm suspecting Slack. Using the web-based client for now
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> stiva: you can check your /var/crash folder to see whats going on, wich package is crashing
[16:21] <stiva> lotyspsychje: that folder is empty. I had to reisub several times today
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> stiva: keep a journalctl -f open and try to reproduce your crash, open slack, do some tests
[16:22] <stiva> will do thanks for the tip
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> stiva: share your pics with imgur.com or any other online hosting, here in this channel not in pm plz
[16:31] <stiva> sure
[16:31] <stiva> here it is https://i.imgur.com/kGVGNbb.png
[16:31] <stiva> it just had a hiccup but recovered
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> stiva: seems like amdgpu has a hard time, can you paste your whole ' dmesg ' please, volunteers can have a look for you
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> !paste | stiva
[16:37] <stiva> https://justpaste.it/90jxj here's the dmesg
[16:40] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1995956
[16:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1995956 in linux (Ubuntu Kinetic) "amdgpu no-retry page fault in Kinetic Kudu" [Undecided, Triaged]
[16:41] <lucas-arg> is there any way to speedup snap downloads????
[16:41] <ioria> stiva, as suggested in the report, you might try the linux-oem-22.04c kernel
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> nice find ioria
[16:42] <ioria> basically, the 6.1 kernel
[16:43] <ravage> lucas-arg: no. they come from a central CDN provided by Canonical. The community cant help here.
[16:44] <ogra> ravage, not really a "central CDN" ... they are in fact spread out on a regional basis ...
[16:44] <stiva> Amazing so there's a fix but its not available yet?
[16:44] <ogra> only the frontend is centralized
[16:44] <viva> im running a docker compose container(s) premade by a guy on github and i'm wanting to reach the webserver that the docker container launches on my LAN, docker is creating a network called mutillidae_default how can i reach that over LAN? or is there another way?
[16:44] <viva>  oops wrong chan
[16:44] <stiva> ah i seee i need a new kernel, thanks
[16:44] <ogra> lucas-arg, https://status.snapcraft.io ...
[16:45] <ogra> seems it is slow because parts of it are down
[16:45] <ogra> (or were down until a few mins ago)
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> stiva: if you have a launchpad account, you can also affect yourself to that bug in the left upper corner
[16:45] <viva> when i setup a 'python -m http.service' on my clean install of ubuntu-22 in a hyper-v vm, i cannot reach a test.html page over LAN. I have added port 80 to ufw and it stil cant reach it, turned ufw off and cant reach it either
[16:46] <stiva> amazignly i have one from 2006
[16:46] <ravage> viva: a default 22.04 install does not have any firewall enabled. so the problem must be hyper-v networking then
[16:47] <viva> i can ping the host just fine, wouldnt that exclude the hyper-v network?
[16:47] <ravage> if you enabled UFW yourself my guess is still a firewall problem
[16:50] <stiva> lotuspsychje, just found a bug in launchpad while trying to add me as affected. Just an "oops"
[16:50] <viva> ravage, it was a simple ufw enable/disable
[16:50] <viva> and also it didnt work prior when ufw was still disabled
[16:51] <lucas-arg> ogra: seriously?
[16:51] <viva> i didnt start messing with ufw until things didnt work across LAN
[16:51] <ogra> lucas-arg, well, i can only interpret what status.snapcraft.io shows me 🙂
[16:52] <lucas-arg> thanks olvier?
[16:52] <ogra> (and it reprots a 3min outage that ended a few minutes ago)
[16:55] <weedmic> in which directory should I put certificates and tokens?  /home/user/.certsntokens?  or is there a more used choice?
[17:34] <StoneMason12> Hi guys
[17:34] <StoneMason12> I want to pen-test the UFW firewall
[17:34] <StoneMason12> To see if I can crash it, to disable the firewall
[17:35] <StoneMason12> seeking ideas
[17:35] <leftyfb> StoneMason12: no
[17:35] <StoneMason12> A few ideas, would be to DDOS the firewall, to try to overload it
[17:35] <leftyfb> StoneMason12: try #security
[17:39] <ravage> also you dont seem to know much about it. UFW is just a frontend to iptables/nftables
[17:41] <weedmic> does anyone know if xfce had cube?
[17:50] <throwthecheese> How do I disable the menu button on my tablet? (Specs: Ubuntu 22.04, GNOME on Wayland)
[17:53] <lucas-arg> would you show a screen?
[17:54] <throwthecheese> wdym show a screen?
[18:03] <blackop> hi
[18:03] <blackop> how can i create cert and keys for oracle cloud-openvpn-as setup on ubuntu?
[18:03] <blackop> for always free tier setup
[18:07] <taylan> anyone ever made the experience that simple ufw commands like "ufw allow 80" and "ufw delete allow 80" take literally 30 seconds to run?
[18:08] <taylan> just timed them, the allow took 17s, the delete allow took 42s
[18:09] <taylan> these used to be instant, like literally under 1s
[18:09] <taylan> it's a fresh 22.04 installation and there aren't many other rules.  it's an ultra-cheap VPS that's running on k8s though so maybe the host is to blame.
[18:17] <throwthecheese> Is there a way to disable the menu button on my tablet under GNOME/Wayland? I use my tablet PC for drawing and I want to prevent the menu button from being triggered as it will inevitably get touched by my hand while drawing
[18:31] <cluelessperson> Does anyone know how to disable the piv signin when a piv / smart card is plugged in?
[18:31] <cluelessperson> I like to leave a yubikey in at all times.
[18:37] <mtellez> Hi, I have Ubuntu 22.04.2 and I want to update openssl as there are a security vulnerability right now (see https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-5710-1). My openssl version is 3.0.2 but I must upgrate to 3.0.8 but it seems there isn't a package for 22.04.2. Any ideas?
[18:38] <Habbie> mtellez, the URL you posted says you need to upgrade to  3.0.2-0ubuntu1.7
[18:42] <cluelessperson> On So the latest kernel with hwe breaks performance on my computer.
[18:42] <cluelessperson> What should I do, should I report this somewhere?
[18:43] <mlvn> why does mine keep crashing>?? any advise?
[18:43] <cluelessperson> mlvn, what keeps crashing? :)
[18:44] <mlvn> upon restart, if i did not press alt f2, it will freeze
[18:44] <mlvn> idk why
[18:45] <cluelessperson> mlvn, What will freeze
[18:45] <cluelessperson> will freeze where
[18:45] <mlvn> the whole ubuntu will freeze
[18:46] <cluelessperson> what are the *exact* things/steps it gets through and what is the *exact* point at which it freezes?
[18:46] <mlvn> then I have to restart the laptop again
[18:46] <cluelessperson> mlvn, and is there anything on the screen?   when you press alt-f2, can you view the logs for each start and look for anything suspicious?
[18:46] <mlvn> after i put in pass to login
[18:46] <mlvn> if i press alt-f2 then it will work normally
[18:47] <mlvn> will try
[18:47] <mlvn> thanks
[18:49] <faLUKE> hello. After changing the wifi channel on my router (from 6 to automatic (11)) the wifi connection on my ubuntu desktop is extermely slow. It works well on other hosts connected to the same router. What can I do?
[18:50] <arraybolt3> Any Secure Boot experts in here? I am required to use Secure Boot for a certain piece of testing and have managed to sorta lock myself out of my laptop.
[18:50] <arraybolt3> I booted and installed Ubuntu Desktop 22.04.2's RC ISO.
[18:51] <arraybolt3> With Secure Boot. It booted and worked and installed just fine for the most part.
[18:51] <arraybolt3> I'm now trying to boot the 22.04.1 ISO with Secure BOot, and I'm getting a security violation error.
[18:51] <arraybolt3> This machine used to boot 22.04.1 with Secure Boot, and the shim itself is loading so I'm assuming something gotten scrambled elsewhere.
[18:55] <mtellez> @Habbie thanks for the response. You are right. "apt show openssl" told me version 3.0.2-0ubuntu1 is installed. Is it different to version 3.0.2-ubuntu1.7 ? Because apt told me openssl is up to date.
[18:55] <faLUKE> hello. After changing the wifi channel on my router (from 6 to automatic (11)) the wifi connection on my ubuntu desktop is extermely slow. It works well on other hosts connected to the same router. What can I do?
[18:56] <Habbie> mtellez, yes, 1 is not 1.7
[18:58] <ioria> aradesh, don't you have another message after 'Verification failed: (0x1A) Security Violation.' ?
[19:00] <ioria> arraybolt3, , don't you have another message after 'Verification failed: (0x1A) Security Violation.' ?
[19:00] <arraybolt3> ioria: First I get that message, then I get told "Press any key to perform MOK management". I press Enter and get the option to "Continue Boot", "Enroll key from disk", or "Enroll hash from disk".
[19:01] <arraybolt3> Using "Continue Boot" gives me the security violation error again.
[19:01] <arraybolt3> I tried using "Enroll hash from disk" to select the grubx64.efi file I needed it to boot, but for some reason that just got silently ignored.
[19:01] <ioria> weird, the workaround would be just a 'continue', iirc
[19:49] <jhutchins> My systemd journal appears to have reset after a recent crash.  Is there a way to access previous versions?
[19:49] <jhutchins>  /var/log/messages has a burst of binary static that covers the event, nothing useful.
[19:51] <jhutchins> arraybolt3: It's my understanding that booting from a source that's not installed is explicitly prevented by "SecureBoot".
[19:51] <jhutchins> If you could boot from an ISO, that would defeat the purpose of it.
[19:51] <oerheks> journlctrl -b1 gives from previous boot
[19:57] <jhutchins> oerheks: Yeah, that's the current environment, not the one that terminated unexpectedly.  -b --list only shows one boot.
[19:59] <jhutchins> Seems to have knocked out the local monitor, all remote connections are fine.  Monitor shows it's start-up screen, so it's probably internal.
[19:59] <jhutchins> Wondering if some condensation from the heating system got to it.
[19:59] <jhutchins> Keyboard lock keys respond with LEDs.
[20:11] <jhutchins> Monitor tests OK with a laptop, but no apparent output.
[20:57] <jhutchins> get-edid doesn't like it's results, says they're invalid.
[20:57] <jhutchins> Probably just have to wait until next reboot, see what happens then.
[20:57] <topcat001> jhutchins: With secure boot enabled, the iso should boot fine because it is also signed
[20:58] <jhutchins> topcat001: "should" is not relevant to real-world situations.
[20:58] <topcat001> well every machine I have installed in the real world with SB enabled is perhaps relevant
[20:59] <jhutchins> topcat001: True, but unless you have experience with it failing, how do you know how to fix it?
[20:59] <topcat001> My point is SB has nothing to do with "installed" but signed sources, external or otherwise
[21:35] <jhutchins> Maybe it was just the standard setup for systems that had secure boot that they prevented external boot devices.  I thought it was built in, but that may have been long ago.
[21:45] <ntimo> Hello, I am currently trying to figure out how to use the free Ubuntu pro license with a proxmox hypervisor to license the indiviual VMs, since it appears to me that with the pro license attached to the hypervisor I should be able to license all VMs on it with a single license
[21:46] <jhutchins> !proxmox
[21:46] <jhutchins> Sigh.
[21:47] <jhutchins> ntimo: There is ##proxmox
[21:48] <jhutchins> ntimo: Virtual machines usually do not inheret licensed from their host, but are considered seperate instances for licensing.
[21:48] <jhutchins> It does, of course, depend on the license.
[21:49] <oerheks> i would say; contact Canonical?
[21:49] <jhutchins> oerheks: +
[21:51] <sarnold> ntimo: afaik you've got to pro attach on each of the vms individually
[21:51] <ntimo> sarnold okay, but then the license is counted for each VM and not for the entire host
[21:52] <ntimo> The Ubuntu Pro docs mention this: "Physical server: A subscription attached to a physical host running Ubuntu or a Covered Hypervisor. If all physical hosts in the Environment are attached, then Ubuntu Pro subscription also covers all Ubuntu guests on those hosts" https://ubuntu.com/legal/ubuntu-pro-description and since the free license covers 5
[21:52] <ntimo> Physical servers this should be working. The documentaion from Canonical is just lacking on how to license hypervisors
[21:53] <sarnold> the asterisk on https://ubuntu.com/pricing/pro  doesn't mention proxmox :/ I wonder if that's an oversight or intentional: "* Any of: KVM | Qemu | Boch, VMWare ESXi, LXD | LXC, Xen, Hyper-V (WSL, Multipass), VirtualBox, z/VM, Docker. All Nodes in the cluster have to be subscribed to the service in order to benefit from the unlimited VM support"
[21:54] <ravage> proxmox is just kvm really for VMs
[21:54] <OrcD3vil> Question about ubuntu setup on a dell r7515, I have a BOSS Controller with 2x 256GB NVMe, and 8x 10TB SATA WD Red Drive.  Using it as a file server, plex, etc would there be any benefit to having one NVMe on the boss card as a SSD Cache drive?
[21:55] <ravage> sarnold: the real question here is how ubuntu in a VM would even know about the host's license
[22:12] <jhutchins> Has there been any progress or even movement on hybrid drive systems (id SSD cached to spinny)?
[22:13] <jhutchins> OrcD3vil: I would think the on-board cache would do a better job with less overhead.
[22:14] <jhutchins> OrcD3vil: What's going to be using this system?
[22:15] <sarnold> jhutchins: zfs with l2arc works great :)
[22:27] <OrcD3vil> jhutchins: File Server running ubuntu, Plex, Docker, Portainer, running various apps for my Home Server
[22:28] <jhutchins> OrcD3vil: So we're not talking 1,000 users here.
[22:28] <OrcD3vil> nah just me and a couple people hitting my plex via internet max 2 people at time on plex
[22:28] <OrcD3vil> was thinking doing Raid on Boss controller and md0 raid with ubuntu for the 8x 10TB drives
[22:29] <topcat001> for such low load the Linux fs caching might be sufficient
[22:29] <topcat001> my lowly core 2 quad optiplex does just fine
[22:29] <jhutchins> I would agree with topcat001
[22:30] <topcat001> more important is hardware decoding on the client IMHO
[22:30] <jhutchins> Over-optimizing a file server only makes sense if you have a LOT of parallel access.
[22:30] <OrcD3vil> Ok what I was thinking, its a AMD Eypc 8 Core w/ 128 ECC
[22:31] <OrcD3vil> only system embedded video card
[22:31] <jhutchins> OrcD3vil: There's almost no CPU processing involved, economise on your processor.
[22:31] <topcat001> OrcD3vil: The Plex sever web interface has an Activity screen which shows if "Direct Play" is in effect. This dramatically reduces load on the server.
[22:31] <jhutchins> OrcD3vil: Video chipset _might_ get engaged if you're doing transcoding, but probably not.
[22:31] <topcat001> you really do not want to transcode on server
[22:32] <topcat001> if possible
[22:32] <OrcD3vil> ya i don't think its doing transcoding all devices playing to usually has the decoding done there if I remember right
[22:32] <topcat001> OrcD3vil: The Plex sever web interface has an Activity screen which shows if "Direct Play" is in effect. This dramatically reduces load on the server.
[22:32] <jhutchins> These days that's easy.
[22:32] <OrcD3vil> playing to my computer or nvidia shield box, or tablet etc
[22:32] <topcat001> you can check here ^^ or from the server logs. Do check
[22:33] <topcat001> jhutchins: very likely yes :)
[22:33] <OrcD3vil> for a raid for file system that is going to use docker/plex/nfs/smb etc where would be best folder location to setup on install?
[22:33] <OrcD3vil> sorry coming from TrueNAS Scale where they use datasets
[22:35] <ogra> TBH the workload you are describing could as well be served from a RPi with a bunch of USB3 didsk on a powered HUB ... i suspect you wouldnt notice any difference client side
[22:35] <ogra> *disks
[22:35] <OrcD3vil> ogra ya but I got a Dell R7515 to use and learn to setup
[22:36] <ogra> sure, just saying 🙂
[22:36] <OrcD3vil> oh no worries :D
[22:36] <ogra> HW in front of you is indeed always better than the one not in front of you 😉
[22:37] <jhutchins> How about the hardware in your basement?
[22:37] <ogra> yeah, after you played with it and installed it ...
[22:37] <OrcD3vil> Tryign to learn IT and thought it would be nice to have a rack server something would see in business setting so trying to figure out how to  drive partition setup
[22:37] <topcat001> that server will be loud and what is the power draw again? :D
[22:38] <ogra> saves heating !
[22:39] <OrcD3vil> I live in studio apartment, I sleep soundly with it soothing and yes saves on heat!
[22:39] <topcat001> I have a bunch of Dell PowerEdges and a couple of AIX POWER systems, so I know lol
[22:40] <topcat001> even turned off they are loud (standby)
[22:40] <topcat001> the Dells are more "efficient" in that regard
[22:41] <jhutchins> Thanks, I've done my time with my office in the server room.
[22:41] <topcat001> NC headphones :D
[22:52] <pa> hi, i'm running ubuntu now. I would like to install another version of ubuntu on an sd card (not live cd, full OS). Can i do it from my running system without a live cd?
[22:53] <mybalzitch> yeah, but its a bit of a pita and slightly mroe involved than booting off a usb stick like using the normal installer
[23:00] <pa> mybalzitch: thanks. are there instructions somewhere?
[23:02] <mybalzitch> just a quick googling turns up https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[23:03] <mybalzitch> you could also get fancy and use a virtual machine and pass through the whole SD Card as the hard drive for the VM
[23:10] <jhutchins> https://pendrivelinux.com
[23:10] <jhutchins> pa: It's not fun to run a system from USB unless it's been optimized for USB use.
[23:11] <pa> jhutchins: it's not usb, it's sd card
[23:11] <jhutchins> pa: What bus is the sd card reader on?
[23:11] <pa> idk, it's integrated
[23:12] <pa> it's not super fast, but likely ok
[23:12] <jhutchins> pa: I think you'll find the performance very similar, it's more the media than the bus.
[23:12] <pa> yes, speed of the card is not fantastic, but likely going to work
[23:12] <jhutchins> Oh it works.
[23:12] <toddc> SD super slow  Usb slow but can be done    qemu virtualbox or other is worth the time to test distros
[23:13] <pa> the problem is i need hw acceleration
[23:13] <jhutchins> pa: On the other hand, systems that are optimised for that situation usually run rather nicely.
[23:13] <arraybolt3> pa: What you might consider doing would be using a daily ISO of Ubuntu 22.04 with persistence - you should be able to set that up using Ubuntu's Startup Disk Creator tool.
[23:13] <arraybolt3> Or something similar.
[23:13] <pa> arraybolt3: i considered that, but apparently latest usb-creator-gtk lost that option
[23:13] <arraybolt3> What you're trying to do (installing to a USB rather than a HDD/SSD without using a live ISO) is possible but *very* tricky the first time.
[23:14] <jhutchins> I posted the link to pendrivelinux because they discuss and explain the various modifications that make a USB (or other) system run well.
[23:14] <jhutchins> All of this is something you'll learn best by trying it.
[23:14] <arraybolt3> Short version - partition the drive, mount it, use debootstrap to install a core Ubuntu system on it, add a kernel, bootloader, and desktop, and tweak the config a bit, then boot it. That's a very brief overview, it's trickier in practice but fun once you know how.
[23:15] <jhutchins> arraybolt3: Why partition it?
[23:15] <arraybolt3> (I'd offer to walk you through it but I'm caught up in other things. But that overview might help you get going.)
[23:15] <pa> i used to have a nicely booting usb drive (like ssd + usb bridge)back in the days, but it seemingly doesn't boot anymore on modern efi machines. I need to update grub on the installed OS, then boot through that
[23:15] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: I believ ea partition table is needed to properly install GRUB.
[23:15] <arraybolt3> On BIOS and EFI systems.
[23:16] <arraybolt3> Otherwise there's not room for the bootloader to install independently from the filesystem.
[23:17] <jhutchins> TBH I don't remember if we bothered to partition VMWare disks before installing.
[23:17] <pa> anyway, thanks for the tips, i think i'll try some workaround (like , write out my current usb /dev/sda1 to a file, then overwrite that with the version i have, from the live sdcard)
[23:17] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: If you're installing from the ISO, the installer will partition everything for you. IT's when you have to install it manually that you have to worry about that.
[23:25] <roadranger49> hello
[23:44] <jhutchins> arraybolt3: It's still best if you use a single partition (separate swap if desired).


[13:20] <pleia2> I need to get some interviews at UDS so we have *something* for full circle magazine this month
[13:20] <pleia2> someone please remind me to actually do this :)
[18:32] <AlanBell> pleia2: grab Amanda Brock, she would be good


[08:37] <vmuser> Looking for assistance to build xorg.conf file for a dual adapter, 5 monitor configuration
[08:37] <genii> !xorgconf
[09:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:30] <Tom1> centos is forked from redhat?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:30] <kbroulik> what can be the reason that I can log into another session on a seperate x server (ie. strg+shift+f8) with no problem but lightdm --test-mode always says incorrect password
[13:55] <Juan> Hey, I'm running kubuntu 12.04 and I can't get to read any discs from my ide drive. Just tried the kubuntu live cd booting from bios and it works. Any clues about what might be going on?
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Juan, you say the cdrom is first in the boot sequence?
[14:06] <Juan> Nope, it's not, I just tested if the drive worked by booting the live cd
[14:07] <Juan> It doesn't work on the desktop
[14:07] <Juan> wodim sees it and I can eject, but it's not reading any discs
[14:11] <BluesKaj> maybe the laser needs cleaning
[14:12] <Juan> Nope, it's working, that's what I'm saying
[14:12] <Juan> The drive works, but discs won't mount on the desktop
[14:13] <Juan> the same discs I can boot or mount in a live session
[14:13] <BluesKaj> recall a bit of lint on my cdrom laser which had the same symptoms
[14:13] <Juan> I booted porteus from a pendrive and read discs, so it's not the drive
[14:13] <BluesKaj> oh o, then i have no clue\
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Juan, what kind of disks, cds, dvds , or both?
[14:17] <Juan> DVDs and CDs
[14:18] <Juan> Was trying to dump some PS2 discs, then tried a movie and some backups
[14:22] <Juan> k3b doesn't recognize it
[14:22] <Juan> But I managed to mount it manually
[14:22] <Juan> So wt
[14:30] <BluesKaj> commercial dvds might suffer from DRM, if you don't have  libdvdcss2 installed. it's available on the videolan site
[14:30] <Juan> Already have it, I guess my problem is not on playback per se but rather the os mounting the media
[14:31] <Juan> and k3b recognizing it's there
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Juan,  try this to see what the output is, if any, mount -o remount,rw /path/to/drive
[14:36] <BluesKaj>  /path/to/drive probly /dev/cdrom
[14:36] <Juan> cannot find it in fstab or mtab
[14:37] <Juan> but it's /dev/sr0
[14:37] <Juan> because I manually mount it already
[14:37] <Juan> On the kubuntu installer it automounts it
[14:37] <Juan> and k3b recognizes it
[14:37] <Juan> so does porteus
[14:53] <dougl> morning BluesKaj
[14:59] <BluesKaj> Hi dougl, what's up?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> didyou arise early to watch the game?
[15:02] <dougl> no... was gonna go to church but the roads are bad and nobody else wants to go... so just thot I'd look at my nexus 10 with ubuntu installed on it... did you catch the game? we won right?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> yup, 3-0
[16:55] <zufo> ciao
[16:55] <zufo> !list
[17:02] <zufo> scusate avrei bisogno d aiuto c'è qualcuno che puo aiutarmi?
[17:23] <ovrflw0x> all the up folks in this chan say 'hey yo ya yea yeah'
[21:50] <Grzy7316> Hi So I just picked up a cheap little laptop, and have disabled secureboot and put my bios in legacy mode. I am trying to use a unetbootin created kubuntu USB key to install kubuntu on sid laptop
[21:51] <Grzy7316> when I get to where it says start kubuntu, I get the kubuntu logo, then the screen goes black without even a backlight and the machine is still running
[21:51] <Grzy7316> any idea what could be causing this? It is using a quad core a6 processor with AMD integrated graphics
[21:52] <Grzy7316> it is this aptop
[21:52] <Grzy7316> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ideapad-s415-touch-14-touch-screen-laptop-4gb-memory-500gb-hard-drive/3002005.p;jsessionid=D2BFB628E6117AEEF2BACCA4664CBE0E.bbolsp-app02-109?id=1219085626825&skuId=3002005&st=lenovo%20s415%20touch&cp=1&lp=1
[22:10] <Grzy7316> I keep trying to get Ubuntu working on my new laptop. When I try to boot it from a unetbootin created usb key, it crashes
[22:10] <Grzy7316> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ideapad-s415-touch-14-touch-screen-laptop-4gb-memory-500gb-hard-drive/3002005.p;jsessionid=D2BFB628E6117AEEF2BACCA4664CBE0E.bbolsp-app02-109?id=1219085626825&skuId=3002005&st=lenovo%20s415%20touch&cp=1&lp=1
[22:10] <Grzy7316> is the laptop
[22:13] <Grzy7316> error checking the image says errors found in one file
[22:13] <Grzy7316> The image wa freshly downloaded from ubuntu.com, with unetbootin used to put it onto usb


[02:28] <jjesse> just wondering if someone can help me a bzr problem?
[02:33] <jjesse> tryuing to do a commit and getting error on a lock file, but i can't find it
[04:16] <stone-unix> i reported following bug several days ago, but hasn't seen anybody assigned to take care of it, why??i believe it is a minor bug, but really annoying. https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/138618
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138618 in rosetta "Unexpected form data while saving and continue translation" [High,Confirmed]
[04:18] <beuno> stone-unix, I believe the developers are currently at the end of a release cycle, so they're focused on what they have to finish that's been asigned already
[04:18] <beuno> be pacient, I'm sure it will get assigned soon
[04:18] <stone-unix> beuno: thanks for answering.
[04:19] <stone-unix> beuno: hope it will be solved soon. we chinese localization team need it to speed up work, to welcome the gibbon
[04:19] <beuno> stone-unix, no problem, I'm heading off now, have a pleasant evening :D
[04:19] <stone-unix> beuno: bye. here is morning in china
[04:20] <beuno> ah, even better, have a great day!
[04:20] <stone-unix> beuno: good dream to u
[05:10] <stdin> does anyone know what's up with promethium (xen-amd64), or rather it's clock. http://tinyurl.com/ypa6e6 ./configure fails with "configure: error: newly created file is older than distributed files!" and tar gives messages like "tar: tomorse-0.9.1/ChangeLog: time stamp 2007-09-15 00:57:31 is 11659 s in the future" ?
[05:11] <stdin> (this only ever happens on promethium too)
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #139745 in launchpad-answers "my sound is not working properly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139745
[01:54] <_nand_> hi!
[01:55] <_nand_> I'm currently drafting a launchpad related blueprint and i would really appreciate some comments :)
[01:56] <_nand_> It is basically describing a way to improve wishes submission and to better assess their importance
[01:56] <_nand_> based on the dell ideastorm model idea
[01:57] <_nand_> and using the launchpad framework
[01:57] <_nand_> here it is :)
[01:57] <_nand_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/better-community-wishes-assessment
[01:57] <_nand_> any comments, especially for implementation considerations, are welcome :)
[01:58] <_nand_> thanks!
[02:58] <sits> hi there
[02:58] <sits> I think someone doesn't know how to unsubscribe themselves from a bug
[02:58] <sits> is there anyone here who can unsubscribe them?
[02:58] <sits> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/130325 ?
[02:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[nvidia-glx]  3D GL apps crash X when using compiz due to unmaked ABI change (gutsy)" [High,In progress]
[02:59] <Hobbsee> only they can, iirc.
[02:59] <sits> I'm sure I've seen someone else do it after the user became angry
[03:00] <Hobbsee> oh, and he's missing a space.
[03:00] <sits> (of course I don't know if the user would correctly unsubscribe themselves if told how to)
[03:00] <sits> Hobbsee: a space?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> he's using the email interface.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> i think
[03:00] <Hobbsee> in which case you need to use " unsubscribe"
[03:01] <Hobbsee> (all documented in UsingMaloneEmailInterface
[03:01] <Hobbsee> )
[03:01] <sits> oh
[03:03] <Hobbsee> i dobut you'll find an admin here on a saturday either
[03:03] <Hobbsee> but, feel free to write about the space first in the bug report, and/or telling them how to do it via the UI
[03:08] <sits> Hobbsee: fair enough. Thanks!
[03:53] <laga> hi
[03:53] <laga> one of my ppa builds is in status: "dependency wait"
[03:54] <laga> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-trunk/+archive/+build/394267
[03:54] <laga> will it be retried once that dependency is available?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> i think you can tell it to retry
[03:58] <laga> i know i can tell it to retry, but the whole point is that it should do that automagically. at least that was suggested on launchpad-users
[03:58] <laga> hum
[04:00] <Hobbsee> it does in the ubuntu archive, but i dont think tehyy want to do that yet for ppa
[04:00] <laga> ooh :/
[04:01] <Hobbsee> (due to potential for abuse)
[04:01] <laga> that'd make the ppas very limited. i'll check back tonight, if status hasnt changed by then i'll file a bug
[04:01] <laga> Hobbsee: what abuse?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> as in, if someone never fixes their package, and it keeps getting requed.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> er, requeued
[04:02] <laga> then remove it after a few days.
[04:02] <laga> morning superm1
[04:02] <superm1> mrongin laga
[04:02] <superm1> or morning even
[04:03] <laga> Hobbsee: that'd make ppas useless for people who build packages where the api changes often.
[04:03] <laga> oh well, i shouldn't complain to you probably. i'll get a bug filed later.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> laga: if you manually requeue, not really.  or just make sure you upload in the correct order
[04:04] <laga> Hobbsee: even if i upload in the right order, it'll build against an old version because it takes time for the new version to publish.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> true
[04:05] <Hobbsee> i'd suggest just hitting manually requeue, really.  i suspect they're just waiting to see how it goes
[04:05] <Hobbsee> seeing as plenty of people upload stuff that doesnt build
[04:07] <laga> requeuing manually is not an option. we're using the ppa for weekly builds and i really don't want to baby-sit it all the time
[04:08] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:08] <laga> which is why i'll raise a bug for this if it's not requeued automatically later
[04:08] <Hobbsee> well, speak to cprov when he's around
[04:08] <laga> Hobbsee: thanks for your time
[04:08] <Hobbsee> no problem
[05:51] <ianm1> hi, I'm new to launchpad and bazaar, anyone have some time to help me make a new branch of my project?
[05:51] <ianm1> I have this https://launchpad.net/luz
[06:02] <ianm1> it seems the automatic SVN import is failing, not sure why
[07:18] <gnomefreak> ianm1: i had issues with bzr branch from svn gives trace back, is that what you mean?
[07:19] <ianm1> gnomefreak: the only problem is I don't know how to use bzr with launchpad.  the svn import is not a big deal as I'm planning on abandon the SVN once I'm using bzr
[07:20] <gnomefreak> ianm1: are you trying to make a branch or grab a branch?
[07:21] <gnomefreak> ianm1: bzr push --create-prefix<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:21] <gnomefreak> that is an example
[07:21] <gnomefreak> if the project isnt registered you would have to start there
[07:21] <ianm1> gnomefreak: I've been using SVN, and I'd like to use launchpad bzr exclusively now.  so I *think* what I want to do is branch the "trunk" that was imported automatically, and maybe set it to the "development focus"
[07:22] <ianm1> it is registered https://launchpad.net/luz/
[07:22] <ianm1> I think I have to branch it via the command line, then register that branch in the web interface..?
[07:22] <gnomefreak> ianm1: not you the project like where mine says firefox
[07:23] <ianm1> that is a project
[07:23] <gnomefreak> ah
[07:24] <gnomefreak> ianm1: than from inside you top llevel dir. or debian dir just use the command i gave above but use your LP name and the name of project and ~yourLPnick/project/whatever you want it callled
[07:26] <ianm1> do I need to do a full checkout of the existing bzr branch first?
[07:26] <gnomefreak> ianm1: it helps
[07:26] <gnomefreak> ianm1: you can push whatever you have
[07:26] <gnomefreak> for the most part
[07:34] <ianm1> gnomefreak: so does this look right?  "bzr push --create-prefix<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:34] <ianm1> then I'll have my own branch called "trunk" ?
[07:34] <ianm1> why "push --create-prefix" and not "branch"?
[07:43] <ianm1> gnomefreak: does this look right?  bzr checkout<EMAIL_ADDRESS>luz
[07:44] <gnomefreak> no
[07:45] <gnomefreak> ianm1: where you have ~vcs-imports that should be your LP ID
[07:45] <gnomefreak> luz should be vcs-imports if that is the name of the package
[07:45] <gnomefreak> and leave off last luz
[07:45] <ianm1> boy this is confusing
[07:45] <ianm1> luz is the project
[07:46] <radix> it's /~person-or-team/project/branch-name
[07:46] <ianm1> I'm just trying to checkout the version that vcs-imports imported from svn
[07:46] <ianm1> then I'm going to branch that to make my own "official" trunk
[07:47] <radix> the branch URL should be shown in launchpad
[07:47] <ianm1> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/luz/trunk
[07:47] <gnomefreak> yes
[07:47] <gnomefreak> with stfp though
[07:47] <gnomefreak> well now really
[07:47] <radix> you don't need to branch it with sftp
[07:47] <radix> just 'bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/luz/trunk'
[07:47] <gnomefreak> radix: stfp
[07:48] <radix> need I repeat myself?
[07:48] <gnomefreak> atleast that is how you would push
[07:48] <gnomefreak> radix: hes pushing not grabbing
[07:48] <ianm1> first I'm grabbing
[07:48] <radix> ok, so grab it from there
[07:48] <gnomefreak> ianm1: you are not getting it from bzr though
[07:48] <gnomefreak> are you?
[07:48] <radix> then push it to your *own* area, not vcs-import
[07:48] <gnomefreak> or svn
[07:48] <ianm1> I think I am?!
[07:49] <ianm1> I am grabbing it from bzr, then pushing it to my own space in bzr
[07:49] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[07:49] <radix> ianm1: ok, then what I said should work
[07:49] <ianm1> radix's command worked, it is Fetching phase 1/4 now
[07:49] <gnomefreak> than you push with --create-prefix :)
[07:49] <ianm1> so this is creating a "local branch" right?
[07:50] <ianm1> but nothing new on the server?
[07:50] <radix> ianm1: to recap, bzr branch <http-url>; <hack>; bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~<your-username-or-team>/luz/<branch-name>
[07:50] <gnomefreak> ianm1: yes on your FS
[07:50] <radix> ianm1: right, the branch command is only reading from the server, not writing anything there
[07:50] <spiv> gnomefreak: you don't need --create-prefix when pushing to bazaar.launchpad.net
[07:50] <gnomefreak> spiv: i do :(
[07:51] <gnomefreak> it never lets mecreate branch without it
[07:51] <ianm1> ok thanks a lot guys!
[07:51] <gnomefreak> me create
[07:52] <spiv> gnomefreak: could you file a bug about that?
[07:52] <gnomefreak> spiv: next one i do?
[07:52] <gnomefreak> should be soon if i can get bzr-svn to work
[07:52] <spiv> gnomefreak: bazaar.launchpad.net has smarts to make --create-prefix unnecessary.  That's been the case for about a year now I think.
[07:53] <ianm1> radix: so after the "bzr push" I can do a SVN-like process of hack/commit in that directory?
[07:53] <radix> ianm1: hack/commit/push
[07:53] <ianm1> what is the extra push for?
[07:53] <radix> ianm1: commit modifies the branch, which only does changes locally (unless the branch is a checkout)
[07:53] <spiv> gnomefreak: yes, next time you push a new branch, please try without --create-prefix.  If you do need --create-prefix, please file a bug with the details.
[07:53] <ianm1> ah ok
[07:53] <gnomefreak> spiv: you got it
[07:53] <radix> ianm1: so "hack; commit; hack; commit; hack; commit; push" is generally the workflow
[07:54] <spiv> gnomefreak: thanks!
[07:54] <gnomefreak> spiv: np i might look into bzr-svn as well monday so atleast i can get that to work
[07:56] <ianm1> radix: so after this 'branch' finishes and I 'push' to my own space the directory will then be associated with that branch?
[07:56] <radix> ianm1: well, the first time you pass a URL to "push" for a given branch, it remembers the URL, so you can just "bzr push" with no extra arguments and it'll be pushed to the same place
[07:56] <spiv> ianm1: "push" creates or updates branch from the local one.
[07:57] <ianm1> radix: great.  ok it's done 'branch'ing, I'll give it a try
[07:58] <spiv> ianm1: if you want commits to automatically be made to a remote branch, you can make a checkout locally rather than a branch.  (I find I usually want full branches everywhere though.)
[07:58] <ianm1> a full branch seems better since I spend a lot of time offline
[07:58] <spiv> Well, you can work with checkouts offline, even make "local" commits to them.
[07:58] <spiv> (bzr commit --local ...)
[08:00] <spiv> But then you need to use "bzr update" to resynchronise your local checkout with the remote one when you get back online.  So if you're going to be offline a lot it may be simpler to just always use independent branches rather than checkouts.
[08:00] <ianm1> so as far as naming my branch goes, is it normal to have a personal "trunk" ?
[08:00] <gnomefreak> ianm1: yes
[08:00] <gnomefreak> ianm1: i have 6 or so
[08:00] <ianm1> 6 trunks?
[08:00] <gnomefreak> well personal and team
[08:00] <gnomefreak> yes
[08:00] <spiv> Branch naming really depends a lot on your preferred workflow.
[08:00] <ianm1> you mean each team has one and you have one?
[08:01] <ianm1> ok but I have no preferred bzr workflow yet.. :)
[08:01] <gnomefreak> firefox, iceape, sunbird, firefox-trunk firefox-gp and so on
[08:01] <spiv> ianm1: right, it's catch-22 ;)
[08:01] <gnomefreak> some might be named ubuntu-version
[08:02] <spiv> ianm1: I suggest just starting with a simple scheme, maybe "trunk" and "personal", until you get a feel for it.
[08:03] <ianm1> g'night
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #139855 in soyuz "[feature-request]  Display stats about PPA usage" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139855


[04:10] <randomperson83> is there a way to detect whether you're running inside a hildon desktop?
[04:14] <StevenK> ToddBrandt: Still here?
[06:20] <bouncy`> lool: sure, good idea
[06:21] <bouncy`> thanks
[07:21] <dholbach> good morning
[08:54] <lool> bouncy`: I think I heard about such a request already, but it was quite far away in terms of dates WRT our current level of busy-ness :)
[11:19] <slytherin> Who is maintaining bluez-utils these days?
[17:28] <foka_> Hi!  I'd like to join the Ubuntu Mobile development process.  How should I start?
[17:30] <foka_> What confuses me at this moment is that Ubuntu Mobile and Moblin are kind of one and the same, and yet not quite the same, and the mobile-related packages are currently somewhat behind in Ubuntu (reasonable, final stages of hardy freeze).
[17:31] <foka_> So, is it better to work with Moblin (since that appears to be the upstream)?  Or with Ubuntu Mobile (since that's the final product, esp. that is properly packaged meeting guidelines)?
[17:31] <foka_> Thanks!
[17:39] <agoliveira> foka_: Hi. Well, moblin is basically UME upstream to some components and it's controlled  by Intel so it's better to start on UME so you can have access to the whole deal, including PPA, upload, etc
[17:39] <agoliveira> foka_: What's used on UME core goes to moblin as well, BTW.
[17:47] <foka_> agoliveira, Thanks for your advice!  :-)
[17:59] <lool> rustyl__: call?
[18:03] <rustyl__> lool, about to call in
[18:03] <lool> Cool
[18:04]  * agoliveira had to enter 31 digits to join the conference... creepy :)
[18:49] <lool> rustyl__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/PpaVersioning
[18:49] <lool> inuka_desk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/PpaVersioning
[18:50] <slytherin> Can someone please sponsor debdiff attached to bug 191704? I had discussed this with Tollef sometime back, but I am not able to find him online today.
[18:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191704 in bluez-utils "hidd binary removed form bluez-utils package unable to connect as a result" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191704
[19:15] <landley> Watching David's talk.  He mentioned this channel...
[19:17] <lool> slytherin: I'm not in a particular position to test this, so I can't; perhaps StevenK is interested, and that's probably the only two persons around who can upload
[19:18] <slytherin> lool: It is almost midnight for me. Can you bug him on my behalf when he is available?
[19:19] <lool> StevenK: ^ 19:50 < slytherin> Can someone please sponsor debdiff attached to bug 191704? I
[19:19] <lool> slytherin: Done :)
[19:19] <slytherin> :-)
[19:20]  * slytherin hits bed


[11:15] <rafaeldtinoco> @pilot in
[11:50] <cpaelzer> xnox: dannf: do you for 1883114 have a working setup/script/...?
[11:51] <cpaelzer> as I'm forced to remove https from the e1000e rom for bug 1882671 I wanted to test if your setup is affected
[11:51] <cpaelzer> but the bug you used only lists how to check if https support is compiled in, not how to actually use it
[11:51] <cpaelzer> so I wonder if the actual use-case exists somewhere already
[11:53] <dannf> cpaelzer: i don't
[12:09] <xnox> cpaelzer:  i don't have a working setup for 1883114 but i'm trying to find time to make that work. With 1883114 the idea is that UEFI firmware can do https boot directly, and then it looks as if one is inside a hard-drive, which happens to have http/https in the "disk-drive path"
[12:09] <xnox> cpaelzer: stuff in 1882671 is iPXE which is separate / different.
[12:10] <xnox> i think/hope the two things are independent of each other.
[12:30] <cpaelzer> xnox: I was hoping that as well, but they are not perfectly separate
[12:31] <cpaelzer> xnox: EDK2/OVMF formware will use the lower layers (stuff in ipxe-qemu beginning with efi-*) SNP to do low level things, but if the efi-* roms have more than just basics built in the lines start to blur which component does what
[12:31] <cpaelzer> this is what made it fail in the bug that I try to fix
[12:31] <xnox> ouch
[12:32] <xnox> cpaelzer:  is it borked in groovy too? or having https-enabled edkII makes things "better"?
[12:32] <cpaelzer> xnox: as far as I can tell it made it better
[12:32] <xnox> cpaelzer:  so i should SRU edk2 sooner, rather than later, i guess
[12:33] <xnox> cpaelzer:  but there is one more fix that needs to go in.
[12:33] <cpaelzer> there is a chance that my fix for ipxe-qemu requires the EDK" with HTTPS enabled
[12:33] <cpaelzer> so +1 on your fix better being or later - but OTOH no urgency from me
[12:33] <cpaelzer> my change can wait
[12:34] <cpaelzer> I'm only looking for extended testing, that is why I asked for that setup
[12:37] <xnox> cpaelzer:  we know that our grub is not good enough, so testing this stuff at the moment is more-or-less "follow openSUSE instructions and try to https boot their NET.iso"
[12:37] <xnox> and saying that, makes me sad.
[12:46] <cpaelzer> yeah https://en.opensuse.org/UEFI_HTTPBoot_Server_Setup also is the #1 documentation hit one finds
[12:46] <xnox> indeed.
[12:46] <cpaelzer> once this works well for us we really should add that to the serverguide then as the suse docs is quite different (e.g. how to enable ssl on apache)
[12:46] <xnox> cpaelzer:  for a simple test, downloading their net.iso putting it on https; enrolling said https server cert; should be enough to test netbooting their net.iso
[13:52] <ahasenack> hi sil2100, how's bileto today?
[13:54] <sil2100> ahasenack: hey! Better, but there's still one more crash that I'm seeing now, will fix it in a moment
[13:54] <ahasenack> ok
[13:54] <ahasenack> thanks for working on it
[14:41] <sil2100> geh, phew, found the last one
[14:42] <sil2100> Apparently the new britney2 now defaults with a --distribution of Debian instead of 'ubuntu'
[14:42] <sil2100> But I added an explicit --distribution parameter to the britney command
[14:59] <Laney> phew, we already set that for the main runs ;-)
[15:01] <sil2100> This run now should be better I hope
[15:31] <oSoMoN> LocutusOfBorg, when you have a moment, can you sponsor https://salsa.debian.org/js-team/node-grunt-contrib-nodeunit/-/merge_requests/1 ?
[15:40] <sil2100> GunnarHj: hello! Did you manage to send out the call-for-testing for bionic?
[15:44] <niub> o/ quick and easy question: what's the package that replace libvirt-bin in Focal: libvirt-daemon?
[15:47] <GunnarHj> sil2100: Not yet, but I will later today.
[15:47] <GunnarHj> sil2100: Btw, I installed langpacks for some languages from focal-proposed, and my computer is still not burning. :)
[15:48] <sil2100> \o/
[15:48] <sil2100> ;)
[15:49] <sil2100> That's certainly a good sign!
[15:49] <sil2100> ahasenack: bileto britney seems to be working now! Please give me a poke if you see something not working as intended
[15:49] <sil2100> uh, the logfile from this britney run is 123M big
[15:50] <oSoMoN> LocutusOfBorg, also, node-iconv-lite needs a no-change rebuild against the version of node-iconv in groovy-proposed: https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/+1maintenance/node-iconv-lite.debdiff
[16:11] <oSoMoN> LocutusOfBorg, another trivial node-* related MR that needs sponsoring: https://salsa.debian.org/js-team/node-immutable-tuple/-/merge_requests/1
[16:14] <oSoMoN> if there are MOTUs/core devs around, I have a bunch of node-* autopkgtests that need triggering, here is the list: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qdrPkhQRjX/
[16:14] <oSoMoN> thanks in advance!
[16:15] <LocutusOfBorg> oSoMoN, will do them
[16:15] <oSoMoN> cheers
[16:20] <LocutusOfBorg> grunt-contrib-nodeunit done
[16:20] <LocutusOfBorg> iconv-lite done
[16:22] <LocutusOfBorg> immutable-tuple done
[16:24] <LocutusOfBorg> retries done in some seconds
[16:25] <LocutusOfBorg> let me know if you need anything else!
[16:40] <LocutusOfBorg> oSoMoN, why is the node-iconv-lite change needed?
[16:42] <LocutusOfBorg> looks like the built deb is really the same as the previous one
[17:11] <ahasenack> sil2100: thanks! Will try it now
[17:11] <oSoMoN> LocutusOfBorg, node-iconv is a build dep of node-iconv-lite, I assume because the tests are run at build time
[19:02] <rafaeldtinoco> maint+1: opened zsys upstream bug for armhf regression of its own regression tests issue (object file serialization / de-serialization issues when comparing 2 objects as it looks)
[19:02] <rafaeldtinoco> working on sqlite3 issues and libgpg-error
[19:02] <rafaeldtinoco> sergiodj is working on rsync migration issues
[19:02] <rafaeldtinoco> fyio ^
[21:36] <rafaeldtinoco> @pilot out
[21:37] <ahasenack> oh, nice macro
[22:41] <mwhudson> morning
[22:41] <sarnold> morning mwhudson :)
[22:52] <mwhudson> Laney: my browser thanks you for making update_excuses.html so much smaller
[23:43] <xnox> Laney:  it is nice.
[23:43] <xnox> no idea how it went from 23M to like 3M


 Ubuntu Studio 20.10 daily ISO now uses Plasma
 Oh boy, does it that is great news, I use US on another laptop for Music, its great, love the fact its moved to Plasma 😍


[05:35] <estan>  aw, very sad that 5.14 for focal won't happen, but understand your decision of course.
[06:31] <valorie> it probably will be in focal backports soon, estan
[06:31] <valorie> knowing rik, asap
 Not sure about usual backports. Would have to rebuild and maintain other non KDE things in the PPA to do that. Very likely I will have it somewhere though.
[07:18] <valorie> ah, for sure
[07:18] <valorie> esp. since I think Plasma isn't bumping?
[07:18] <valorie> I might be remembering that wroing
[07:18] <valorie> wrong
[07:54] <RikMills> valorie: plasma is bumping Qt minimum, sadly
[07:56] <valorie> ah
[07:56] <valorie> :(
[08:00] <RikMills> it is possible we could have 'normal backports' (limited to what builds natively) and backports with bumped qt (super use at your own risk on a LTS, don't install these unless you really need the new things)
[08:00] <RikMills> maintenance overhead is also an issue
[10:45] <mitya57> qutebrowser developer about our plan to ship 5.12.8:
 mitya57: as a downstream, that's probably a good thing - at least QtWebEngine suffers from lot of crashes in 5.14.0 and .1 (most of them I haven't reported yet because I don't see any pattern yet, and/or they were too late for .2 anyways)
 "A lot" is an over-exaggeration for sure. I had like 3 or something with .1
 And I use no other browsers except Falkon
[10:51] <mitya57> Maybe depends on application…
[14:58] <estan> yea i know there will probably be some ways to get 5.14 packages eventually, but had gotten my hopes up that it would be part of the main repos (not just kubuntu backports). we build debs of our commercial application for *buntu LTS, and many of us at the company run the LTS with no special backports enabled (typically).
[14:58] <estan> but i completely understand the decision, and the time pressure. you're doing a great job and 5.12 will be fine.
 focal archive now builds riscv64
 Oh
 That came a bit out of the blue
 qtbase currently dep-waits, but in Debian it built fine on riscv64