[00:00] <thumper> morning bzr dudes
[00:05] <igc> morning all
[00:52] <jelmer> jam-laptop: there's no guarantee though that a revision with multiple parents contains only merges
[00:52] <lifeless> jelmer: what do you mean?
[00:53] <jelmer> lifeless: we were talking about rebasing "merge revisions"
[00:53] <jelmer> and how you could skip them during rebase if the rhs parent has already been merged in the branch you're rebasing
[00:54] <lifeless> jam-laptop: ping
[00:54] <lifeless> jelmer: surely its a topo sort of the revisions and rebase them all; merges too
[00:56] <jelmer> lifeless: rebasing a commit with a rhs parent that has already been merged is most likely going to cause conflicts
[00:57] <jelmer> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr-rebase/+bug/126743
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #154119 in bzr "Repository.item_keys_introduced_by should not lock Repository" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154119
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #154129 in bzr "pack does not optimise layout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154129
[01:59] <lifeless> igc: poolie: first round of fixen pushed
[02:27] <lifeless> jam-laptop: ping
[02:41] <lifeless> hi igc
[02:41] <igc> hi lifeless
[02:42] <igc> working thru pack_repo.py today FYI
[02:55] <lifeless> cool
[02:59] <jeremy_c> will bazar launch a merge tool for me?
[03:00] <lifeless> do you mean a gui conflict-resolving tool ?
[03:01] <jeremy_c> lifeless, yes, such as Meld on Linux, or TortoiseMerge on windows?
[03:01] <lifeless>  / per-file merge tool ? e.g. meld ?
[03:01] <lifeless> Yes, there are some plugins that do this
[03:01] <jeremy_c> I'll look in the plugin section on the wiki. thanks.
[03:01] <lifeless> np
[03:45] <poolie> ok i've read the whole patch
[03:45] <poolie> i'm going to trim out the boring parts and post my comments
[03:48] <lifeless> woot
[03:48] <poolie> mm?
[03:50] <lifeless> your having read the entire patch
[03:50] <lifeless> I've just replied to all the reviews so far
[03:50] <lifeless> and actioned nearly everything I agreed with
[03:50] <lifeless> spiv: ping
[03:50] <spiv> lifeless: pong
[03:50] <lifeless> theres a gem in my patch for you
[03:50] <lifeless> insert_data_stream
[03:50] <lifeless> where ith da docstring
[03:50] <spiv> lifeless: heh, just read that a few seconds ago.
[03:51] <lifeless> i386: also where were you last night? release party one block from atlassian?
[03:51] <spiv> lifeless: I'll write one and send it to the list.  Thanks for the poke.
[03:51] <i386> lifeless: asleep!
[03:51] <larsl`> Is there a way to get 'bzr send' to use a readable patch format?
[03:52] <i386> Ive been drinking heavily for the last two weeks and Ive been kinda sick
[03:52] <lifeless> larsl`: it's got a human copy of the patch by default
[03:52] <lifeless> larsl`: if you're not seeing that, what parameters are you giving it ?
[03:52] <lifeless> i386: :(
[03:52] <lifeless> i386: we put a few back for you :O
[03:52] <larsl`> lifeless: No other copy here. I just do 'bzr send --mail-to some@address'
[03:53] <lifeless> larsl`: that should fire up your mail client
[03:53] <lifeless> larsl`: with an attached patch
[03:53] <larsl`> lifeless: It does.
[03:53] <lifeless> larsl`: the attached patch should be human readable with a base64 tail
[03:53] <larsl`> But the patch looks like a block of uuencoded something. There is no readable text.
[03:54] <lifeless> larsl`: thats strange; is this open - can you pastebin the patch for me to look at ?
[03:54] <larsl`> Sure, it's just a test.
[03:55] <larsl`> lifeless: This is the contents of the sole attachment in the mail: http://rafb.net/p/MFCGVY79.html
[03:57] <larsl`> ...oh. I need to commit locally before sending.
[03:57] <larsl`> That was just an empty patch.
[03:58] <lifeless> :)
[03:58] <lifeless> I was just finishing extracting the data to examine
[04:31]  * igc food
[05:12] <larsl`> Trying to push a branch to a FTP server, but I keep getting the error message "FTP temporary error: 451 /bzr/bzzr/.bzr/repository/inventory.knit: Append/Restart not permitted, try again. Retrying."
[05:12] <larsl`> "bzr: ERROR: exceptions.AttributeError: 'FtpTransport' object has no attribute 'get_credentials'"
[05:12] <lifeless> oh hmm
[05:12] <larsl`> It seems to do something, because there are directories added on the FTP server, but I can't checkout.
[05:13] <lifeless> Our FTP maintainer is probably asleep right now
[05:13] <lifeless> vila: ^
[05:13] <lifeless> anyhow, the knit repository format requires APPE/REST be available, and they appear to be disabled on your server.
[05:13] <larsl`> Hm.
[05:14] <lifeless> the get_credentials thing is a bug
[05:14] <lifeless> but probably only occuring as a side effect
[05:15] <larsl`> Would any of the other formats work?
[05:16] <lifeless> packs should
[05:17] <lifeless> they are currently being reviewed, should be merged later today
[05:17] <larsl`> Ah. I'm using 0.91.0 from Debian Testing.
[05:23] <abentley> lifeless: Would weaves require APPE/REST?
[05:27] <lifeless> abentley: yes, for the history file in the branch object
[05:28] <abentley> How clever of me to have removed that requirement.
[05:36] <spiv> lifeless: here's a docstring for Repository.insert_data_stream: http://rafb.net/p/9bcOyO41.html.  Any comments or should I just merge it?
[05:37] <lifeless> I think its too vague
[05:37] <lifeless> you say e.g. bencoded
[05:37] <lifeless> is it or isn't it?
[05:37] <lifeless> is it allowed to vary by repo
[05:38] <lifeless> is there a version marker?
[05:38] <lifeless> or is it self delimited by a version?
[05:38] <lifeless> why why why basically
[05:38] <spiv> lifeless: I was afraid you'd ask the hard questions :)
[05:38] <spiv> I'm not sure of the answers to a lot of them to be honest.
[05:39] <lifeless> there's a list
[05:39] <lifeless> I hear smart people subscribe to it
[05:39] <larsl`> So none of the current repository formats would work on a FTP server that doesn't allow Append/Restart?
[05:40] <spiv> I'll start a thread there, then.
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #154173 in bzr "pack reconcile does not correct for the fix_text_parents problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154173
[05:43] <lifeless> larsl`: sorry, no :(
[05:44] <larsl`> I guess there is no write support for HTTP?
[05:46] <lifeless> there is a webdav plgin
[05:46] <lifeless> plugin
[05:47] <lifeless> and there is bzr+http too
[05:47] <lifeless> there is also SFTP
[05:47] <lifeless> which is more secure than FTP
[05:48] <larsl`> Yeah, but FTP and HTTP is all I have for now.
[05:49] <larsl`> What's bzr+http? Is there any documentation for it? Google only finds code.
[05:51] <lifeless> try googling for 'serving bazaar with fastcgi'
[05:52] <larsl`> Seems to be read-only.
[05:52] <lifeless> or http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/
[05:52] <lifeless> latest, user guide,
[05:53] <lifeless> if you set auth up, then you can make it read write
[05:54] <gotgenes> Can I create a patch just using 'bzr -r REVNO.. > mypatchfile' ?
[05:55] <lifeless> sure
[05:55] <lifeless> that will go from revno to your current tree
[05:55] <gotgenes> and then the person I send that patch to just does 'patch -p0 < mypatchfile' right?
[05:55] <larsl`> Hm. I don't think I have mod_python either.
[05:56] <lifeless> gotgenes: if they are not using bzr yes
[05:56] <gotgenes> gotgenes: they aren't
[05:56] <lifeless> gotgenes: if you and they are both using bzr you are much better off committing and using 'bzr send'
[05:56] <gotgenes> ha
[05:56] <gotgenes> lifeless: ah, that's good to know!
[07:04] <lifeless> bug 154204
[07:04] <lifeless> bug #154204
[07:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 154204 in bzr "revision specs do not lock branches appropriately." [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154204
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #154204 in bzr "revision specs do not lock branches appropriately." [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154204
[07:29] <igc> heading off a bit earlier today to catch up with some people
[07:29] <igc> might be back later tonight
[07:29] <igc> if not, have a good weekend all
[07:30] <spiv> igc: me too.  Have a good weekend.
[07:31] <igc> thanks spiv
[08:25] <vila> jelmer: pong (looks like being in the same TZ doesn't help us to get in touch ;-)
[08:26] <fullermd> TZ?  You mean those things some weird people actually obey?  ;>
[08:26] <vila> fullermd: yeah, especially children you insensitive clod !
[08:27] <vila> :)
[08:27] <fullermd> Ah, you just plow a few double espressos into 'em, they'll adjust.
[08:37] <vila> fullermd: obviously you don't know my daughters, they are already too much and too often awake for our taste :)
[08:38] <vila> they leave us sleep sunday mornings since a few years though...
[08:38] <fullermd> See, if you could just get them to use some of that awake time for bzr hacking...
[08:39] <vila> why do you think there are so many bugs in my submissions ?
[08:40] <fullermd> I see.  Kids these days...   no QC.
[08:41] <vila> Sheesh, and don't start me about jam on the keyboard...
[08:41] <fullermd> Hah.  My first thought to that was "Doesn't John have his own keyboard?"   :p
[09:23] <zerok> morning :)
[09:40] <sabdfl> hey all
[09:42] <sabdfl> lifeless: nearly, nearly there?
[09:54] <Kinnison> Good moring bzr hackers
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #154259 in bzr "traceback on temporary ftp error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154259
[10:18] <fullermd> I wonder if that error has EVER been temporary...
[10:33] <lifeless> sabdfl: very very close
[11:10] <Olberd> Hi. I'm trying to install bzrsvn in windows and can't make it work
[11:11] <Olberd> I have installed the python-svn requirement, but apparently not so that bzrsvn can locate it
[11:13] <Olberd> or could it be that the win32 package linked to on bzrsvn's homepage isn't new enough?
[11:13] <Olberd> jelmer, maybe you know?
[11:13] <jelmer> Olberd, Did you install the python-subversion bindings linked fomr the wiki page?
[11:15] <Olberd> yes, if you mean http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrSvn
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #154283 in bzr "indexerror in Knit._get_components_positions pulling in pack repo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154283
[11:19] <jelmer> Olberd: What exactly doesn't work?
[11:19] <Olberd> jelmer, it says in bzrsvn's readme that the svn should be at least 1.5. But the link on the wiki has the version 1.4.3.
[11:19] <jelmer> yes, but the .exe linked from the wiki has got the required patches backported
[11:19] <Olberd> When I try to run bzr bzrsvn prints: "no python bindings for subversion installed..."
[11:23] <jelmer> can you start python and run "import svn" ?
[11:24] <Olberd> yes, no errors
[11:26] <jelmer> is the same python interpreter used by bzr ?
[11:26] <jelmer> or did you perhaps install a bzr that included its own python?
[11:28] <Olberd> I used the standalone 0.91 windows installer
[11:30] <jelmer> you probably need the python-based installer
[11:30] <jelmer> I'll add a link to the wiki page
[11:33] <Olberd> ok, I'll try using the other installer
[11:43] <vila> jelmer: pong (looks like being in the same TZ doesn't help us to get in touch ;-)
[11:46] <jelmer> vila: :-)
[11:46] <jelmer> vila: What exactly did you with your comment to bug 141105?
[11:47] <vila> you mean mean ?
[11:47] <jelmer> I consider the svn+ prefix a hack, ideally bazaar should just handle SSL certificates properly
[11:48] <vila> hrm
[11:49] <vila> jelmer: feel free to reopen the bug then
[11:49] <vila> what I meant was that bzr now gives a proper error message instead of KeyError: 77
[11:49] <jelmer> ah, ok
[11:50] <vila> Handling SSL certificates is on my TODO list, python 2.6 will provides an ssl module for that
[11:50] <vila> problem solved :)
[11:50] <jelmer> :-)
[11:51] <vila> kidding, there is a module that can be installed for python 2.[45], I'm looking into integrating it into bzr or making bzr depend on it
[11:51] <jelmer> Ah, I was confusing this bug with bug 82086
[11:51] <jelmer> sorry
[11:51] <vila> np, better two brains than none on any subject :)
[11:51] <vila> that module will allow us to also have a proper https server, but there is a bit of work to get there
[11:52] <vila> and then, we can just deprecate pycurl and drink some champagne :)
[11:54] <jelmer> Yeah, that'd be nice
[11:56] <ryanakca> Is there a way to make a useable diff? I know 'bzr diff', but you can't really apply [11:56] <Kinnison> bundles
[11:57] <Kinnison> they're more what you want
[11:57] <Kinnison> I think
[11:57] <ryanakca> thanks :)
[11:57] <Kinnison> Specifically the 'bzr send' command I think
[11:59] <Kinnison> aah or the 'bzr bundle-revisions' command may be of more use
[12:01] <ryanakca> :)
[12:04] <ryanakca> Kinnison: any idea for http://pastebin.ca/742241?
[12:04] <Kinnison> odd
[12:04] <Kinnison> make the bundle --no-patch?
[12:05] <Kinnison> does that work?
[12:08]  * ryanakca tries
[12:08] <ryanakca> Kinnison: bzr: ERROR: no such option: --no-patch
[12:11] <jelmer> Olberd, any luck?
[12:14] <Kinnison> ryanakca: odd, because it's there for m
[12:14] <Kinnison> +e
[12:14] <ryanakca> hmmm...
[12:14] <ryanakca> what version?
[12:15] <ryanakca> 0.90.0?
[12:21] <ryanakca> Kinnison: hmm... I'll be back in 8 hours or so, school. See you ;)
[12:49] <danigm> hi, i have a question. When two developers push in one branch, and each developer has his own local branch, the log is overwrite. There is a method for push, or something similar that log well?
[12:50] <danigm> i mean, i push, and in the log appear danigm has changed ..., and when other developer push, must appear only his changes, not his branch log
[12:51] <jelmer> danigm, not sure I'm following
[12:54] <danigm> when i change something in my own branch, the log say that i make, and i merge with the main branch, and log it as "merged with main branch". And then push my branch, and the log of main branch dissapear, and appear my own log. I upload my own branch, the main branch is dessapear, is merged.
[12:57] <danigm> I think it's possible having two locals branch, my branch, and the main branch. When I want to publish my chages in main branch, I should merge that with mine, and push main
[12:58] <dato> I *think* he wants append_only = True, lemme re-read
[12:59] <danigm> but I need to branch from main, everytime that i want to push my changes
[13:02] <dato> oh, he was spanish
[13:12] <Olberd> jelmer, other error now
[13:15] <Olberd> it simply says: unable to load plugin u'bzrsvn' from u'.../plugins'
[13:15] <Olberd> I've run 'bzr selftest'
[13:15] <Olberd> It returns error: ... no module named svn.transport
[13:15] <jelmer> the plugin has to be named 'svn'
[13:16] <Olberd> ok
[13:16] <jelmer> rather than bzrsvn
[13:16] <Olberd> does it say that anywhere?
[13:16] <jelmer> it's only necessary for the testsuite afaik
[13:17] <Olberd> ok
[13:18] <Olberd> well, not only for the selftest
[13:19] <Olberd> Renaming it solved my problems it seems
[15:01] <mrevell> Hey - what version was pushing using bzr+ssh introduced? According to the release notes, I think it might 0.11 but then it says smart server didn't come until bzr 0.16.
[15:06] <quicksilver> bzr+ssh isn't smart server
[15:06] <quicksilver> bzr+ssh is just using ssh isn't it?
[15:06] <mrevell> Ah right, thanks.
[15:20] <radix> quicksilver: no, it's the smart server
[15:21] <radix> quicksilver: You can't do much with "just ssh" :)
[15:21] <radix> bzr+ssh connects on ssh and immediately starts up a smart server on the other side to handle the connection
[15:28] <quicksilver> radix: You could. You use use ssh and then shell out to commands like 'cat' and 'chmod' to build/alter the repo.
[15:29] <quicksilver> radix: I have used other systems which work like that.
[15:29] <quicksilver> but fair enough if that isn't what it does :)
[15:29] <radix> quicksilver: that's "ssh and cat and chmod", not "just ssh" :P
[15:30] <radix> but that's enough pedantry from me :-)
[17:38] <james_w> When using VersionedFile.add_lines() the parents argument is the previous revision-ids in which the file was modified, rather than the parents of the current revision, is that correct?
[17:38] <james_w> so 3 revisions, with revids rev1, rev2, rev3, and a file a that is created in rev1 and modified in rev3.
[17:39] <james_w> You would add lines for rev1 with no parents, and then rev3 with rev1 as parent, with nothing for rev2, is that correct?
[17:43] <jam-laptop> james_w: Correct
[17:43] <jam-laptop> (It is part of setting the per file graph, and also making sure the delta is built against an existing revision)
[17:43] <james_w> jam-laptop: thanks.
[17:44] <james_w> jam-laptop: also, any suggestion for what the tree root id could be for bzr-git. I am going with hash(path) for the ids, but this means that all trees would have the same root. This doesn't seem ideal, but I'm not sure what the impact would be.
[17:45] <jam-laptop> james_w: At the moment, I think all bzr trees use 'TREE_ROOT'
[17:45] <jam-laptop> which is also not ideal
[17:45] <jam-laptop> but it turns out that older versions of bzr didn't handle other values properly
[17:45] <jam-laptop> so we had to wait for a format bump to introduce unique ids
[17:45] <james_w> it's unambiguous though :)
[17:46] <jam-laptop> I believe Knit3 uses unique ids
[17:46] <james_w> yeah, it does for what I have seen
[17:46] <jam-laptop> (And bzr since about 0.14 or so is able to handle it)
[17:46] <jam-laptop> actually, maybe all the way back to 0.10
[17:46] <jam-laptop> and it is just 0.8 that can't
[17:46] <jam-laptop> anyway
[17:47] <jam-laptop> The *reason* to have unique tree roots
[17:47] <jam-laptop> is so that if you merge 2 trees into 1
[17:47] <jam-laptop> then when you do further merges
[17:47] <jam-laptop> it knows where to put files that show up in the root dir
[17:47] <jam-laptop> I'm guessing Git doesn't have any concept of project id
[17:47] <jam-laptop> etc
[17:47] <jam-laptop> so I would just go with hash('')
[17:47] <jam-laptop> and live with it
[17:47] <jam-laptop> you *could* use TREE_ROOT
[17:48] <jam-laptop> if you wanted
[17:48] <james_w> I'll go with the hash, thanks.
[17:49] <james_w> I was wanting to make it unique, as git supports submodules, and so we should map them on to nested trees at some point, and it seems non-unique would get in the way.
[17:49] <james_w> but they don't want to be too unique :)
[17:49] <jam-laptop> well, if you made them random
[17:50] <jam-laptop> then 2 people using bzr-git couldn't interoperate
[17:50] <jam-laptop> we'll have to handle the nested tree case anyway for our own data
[17:50] <jam-laptop> since we already have all trees with non-unique root ids
[17:51] <jam-laptop> plus bzr-git is going to have issues with all the same path directories looking alike anyway
[17:51] <jam-laptop> (so having 'src/' is going to collide with every other project that has a src/)
[17:51] <james_w> ah, of course. I'll just use that solution when you find it.
[17:51] <jam-laptop> of course
[17:52] <jam-laptop> if you had a way to come up with a unique tree root
[17:52] <jam-laptop> you could incorporate that into all the other directories
[17:52] <james_w> yeah, one solution could be to have a project-id passed to bzr-git that is just introduced in to the hash.
[17:52] <jam-laptop> but I can't think of a way to do it
[17:52] <james_w> but that would require an extra argument added to branch, checkout, init etc.
[17:53] <jam-laptop> if you wanted to be minorly evil
[17:53] <jam-laptop> you could double hash the first commit
[17:53] <jam-laptop> (take the commit's hash, and hash it)
[17:53] <jam-laptop> that would most likely be unique
[17:55] <jam-laptop> if a bit odd
[17:55] <jam-laptop> and might have problems after joining projects
[17:55] <jam-laptop> since then you have multiple rev1 nodes
[17:55] <jam-laptop> (you could sort them and just always pick the 1st one)
[17:56] <james_w> yeah, using the root commit as the root id did occur to me. You would get collisions occasionaly, but they would be far less.
[17:56] <jam-laptop> certainly far less than using the same value for everything :)
[17:59] <james_w> There are going to be a massive number of fork+execs to make this work it seems.
[18:09] <jam-laptop> well, that is how git is written, right?
[18:11] <Keybuk> wing-commander upstart% bzr bundle
[18:11] <Keybuk> Using saved location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:11] <Keybuk> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.AttributeError: 'RemoteRepository' object has no attribute '_make_parents_provider'
[18:11] <Keybuk> ^ d'oh
[18:13] <jelmer> Keybuk: IIRC that's a known bug
[18:13] <jelmer> high on the list for 0.92
[18:25] <Keybuk> ok
[20:04] <jam-laptop> spiv: I still haven't heard the status of chunked encoding<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:04] <jam-laptop> I think Martin pinged you on it the other day, but I didn't see a response
[20:56] <ryanakca> bzr merge foo.bundle : any idea for http://pastebin.ca/742241?
[21:08] <AnMaster> bzr+ssh push protocol seems to ignore ~/.ssh/config
[21:08] <AnMaster> because it doesn't try to connect on the port I set it should in ~/.ssh/config
[21:09] <AnMaster> so pushing doesn't work as server use non-standard port
[21:09] <AnMaster> can anyone confirm this?
[21:09] <AnMaster> this bug*
[21:10] <AnMaster> ryanakca, tabs/spaces mixup?
[21:11] <ryanakca> AnMaster: yes, but why should bzr crash (other than python not liking mixtures of tabs/spaces)
[21:11] <AnMaster> ryanakca, no idea
[21:11] <AnMaster> any idea about my problem?
[21:30] <poolfool> AnMaster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/bzr/+bug/146715
[21:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146715 in bzr "bzr+ssh broken for non standard ports." [High,Fix committed]
[21:30] <AnMaster> yes just found it a bit before
[21:31] <poolfool> AnMaster: Sorry didn't take the time to read it ... I was just lurking.
[21:31] <AnMaster> no problem
[21:36] <jam-laptop> ryanakca: it seems to be doing the merge using a patch
[21:36] <jam-laptop> not a bundle
[21:37] <jam-laptop> and it is requiring the source to be an exact match
[21:37] <jam-laptop> The traceback is probably because that code path isn't used yet
[21:37] <jam-laptop> I can't say I've seen it before
[21:38] <jam-laptop> I could be wrong
[21:38] <jam-laptop> AnMaster: known bug
[21:38] <jam-laptop> It has been fixed in bzr.dev
[21:38] <jam-laptop> so it will be fixed in 0.92
[21:39] <jam-laptop> ryanakca: The "crash" is probably because we would rather fail safe than continue, so we would at least give an error that the patch does not match
[21:39] <jam-laptop> It probably should be a simple refusal
[21:39] <jam-laptop> and not a traceback
[21:42] <ryanakca> jam-laptop: so, how to I make the requiring source an exact match?
[21:42] <ryanakca> jam-laptop: bzr revert?
[21:44] <lifeless> moin
[21:45] <jam-laptop> hi LarstiQ
[21:45] <jam-laptop> lifeless:
[21:45] <jam-laptop> ^^
[21:45] <jam-laptop> come to think of it, I haven't seen LarstiQ in a while
[21:45] <jam-laptop> ryanakca: it sounds like your bundle was munged
[21:45] <jam-laptop> and it is trying to ensure that the bundle you merge is the same as the patch you see
[21:45] <jam-laptop> (so that you don't look at the preview and approve that, but the actual merge merges something else)
[21:46] <jam-laptop> ryanakca: so it is *possible* that you could just edit the bundle to change the lines back to what it thinks they should be.
[21:46] <jam-laptop> (if they are now spaces, try making them tabs, etc)
[21:46] <ryanakca> Aha... I see.
[21:47] <ryanakca> jam-laptop: recreating the bundle fixed it... methinks it has something to do with copy-pasting.
[21:47] <jam-laptop> that would do it
[21:47] <jam-laptop> if it had tabs in it
[21:47] <jam-laptop> and you copy pasted it from a terminal
[21:47] <jam-laptop> that would probably turn it into spaces
[21:47] <jam-laptop> bzr send -o foo.patch is your friend :)
[21:48] <jam-laptop> (As would be bzr send<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:48] <ryanakca> :)
[21:49] <ryanakca> Or just a plain old wget (since the bzr branch is in /var/www ) :D
[21:49] <ryanakca> jam-laptop: thanks!
[21:50] <jam-laptop> ryanakca: no problem
[22:02] <lifeless> ryanakca: well, if the branch is wgettable, just 'bzr merge' :)
[22:03] <lifeless> laters
[22:04] <ryanakca> lifeless: oh yeah, hehe :)
[23:43] <gotgenes> I can't connect to my server's svn repo using bzr-svn because it's through https with a self-signed certificate. Is there a workaround?


[08:25] <jussi> WHere would I find a copy of the current default ubuntu background? (the aubergine one) :D
[11:51]  * thorwil enjoys http://musicmachinery.com/2010/05/21/the-swinger/
[14:06] <vish> jussi: /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[14:06] <jussi> vish: is that also available on kubuntu? and warty? o.O
[14:07] <vish> jussi: not sure if it is in kubuntu ;)  , but yeah , it is called warty , we like warty! :D
[14:07] <jussi> lol
[14:08] <jussi> vish: do you think you could drop it over to me via email?
[14:08] <vish> jussi: you want to use it as a wallpaper , of for editing?
[14:08] <jussi> as a wallpaper - I like the purple... er aubergine :P
[14:09] <vish> jussi: email ,id?
[14:09] <jussi> jussi01 ubuntu . com
[14:10] <vish> jussi: cool, sent
[14:10] <jussi> vish: thanks!
[14:10] <vish> np.
[15:17] <vish> DanRabbit: gah! http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/d0od/~3/yjGEdEXi1iY/maverick-to-ship-with-new-transparent.html
[15:17] <vish> most ill informed blog ever, again!
[15:17] <vish> oh , oops , no dashua ;p
[15:33] <zniavre> Equinox engine ?
[15:40] <zniavre> HA FOUND IT
[15:40] <zniavre> ooops


[07:55] <ducasse> morning
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/06/ubuntu-23-10-window-tiling-feature
[16:03] <maya329> anyone has any recommendation for ubuntu server cloud backups services like backblaze and crashplan?
[16:07] <tomreyn> maya329: https://www.rsync.net/ provides services for rsync and borg backup tools
[16:08] <tomreyn> maya329: for borg backup, there are also borgbase.com and hetzner.de "storage server"
[16:08] <tomreyn> backblaze can be fine, too, if you have a good plan on how to use it.
[16:40] <maya329> ah nvm
[16:40] <maya329> found a way to get the crashplan docker to work
[19:16] <leftyfb> good god I hate matrix
[19:17] <oerheks> yeah
[19:32] <JanC> leftyfb: you should buy inkjet or laser then
[19:33] <leftyfb> JanC: if you wanna go that way, I really miss the sound of those :)
[19:33] <leftyfb> also loading the paper
[19:34] <leftyfb> RIP the companies who's only product was the furniture that enclosed those printers to keep the noise down
[19:35] <JanC> and keep dust & dirt from getting into the box with the folding paper with sprocket holes
[19:36] <leftyfb> those were the days
[19:38] <JanC> we used to have a Brother dot-matrix printer at home; not to be used if I was busy on the computer after my siblings or dad went up to sleep  :)
[19:38] <leftyfb> I had an okidata


[00:17] <Spass> or that's just the way those panel plugins are designed and the icons will always scale up to the panel size?
[00:51] <Spass> ok never mind, I got an answer on Xfce forums that I need to add CSS rules for every plugin in ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
[01:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: think that's something we might be able to do from the panel itself? ^
[01:54] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfpanel-switch/+bug/1766746
[01:54] <ali1234> this bug describes the third issue i was talking about the other day - the one i said i didn't fix
[01:55] <ali1234> but reporter says it works with the latest release so i am puzzled by that
[02:01] <ali1234> bluesabre: did you pull any other changes in the last release?
[02:05] <bluesabre> ali1234: nope, just that one MR
[02:05] <ali1234> hmm
[02:06] <ali1234> well, see the comment i just wrote on that bug... i can really see no way how my patched fixed it, and i think the reporter is wrong about it being fixed
[02:08] <ali1234> the real problem is it seems to be a bug in the gui code which i didn't write and don't understand :(
[02:08] <ali1234> and i dont think i will have time to figure it out before release
[02:09] <ali1234> furretuber saw the same problem while testing my patch
[02:09] <ali1234> more evidence it isnt fixed. and also it's why i made it check for orphans when loading the config
[02:09] <ali1234> not just saving
[02:11] <bluesabre> I'm not sure it's a bug. The save button is a toolbar attached to the treeview... so clicking save should save what the current selected item is... I would think
[02:11] <ali1234> perhaps then it is a UI design issue :)
[02:12] <ali1234> i must say i was not able to reproduce it myself, but i did not try very hard
[02:12] <bluesabre> Yeah
[02:12] <bluesabre> It's contextual. If you click save on current configuration, you should save current configuration
[02:12] <bluesabre> save on gnome, save gnome, etc
[02:13] <ali1234> furretuber was loading an old bad configuration to check my patch (which correctly identified the orphans)
[02:13] <ali1234> but then on saving the configuration, the orphans always came back because it was copying his old config
[02:13] <ali1234> but it could definitely be as you say, if he left the old config selected
[02:14] <bluesabre> I could make it more verbose, but tooltips with paragraphs inside are bad tooltips :)
[02:14] <ali1234> maybe we need a "save active config" button and a separate "make copy" button, with the latter doing what the save button does currently
[02:15] <ali1234> idk, but i think it's too late to fix now
[02:15] <bluesabre> yeah
[02:15] <bluesabre> not arriving for bionic :)
[02:16] <Spass> just noticed on new bionic ISO in VM, Network Manager Applet is sometimes duplicated on the panel, so I have two icons now, one from Notification Are and one from Status Notifier Items, but I guess this is a well known bug
[02:16] <ali1234> tbh, why would you even save an existing configuration? you need to export it if you want the actual file, and there doesn't seem to be any way to save over an existing config
[02:18] <bluesabre> I use it to save current and then load something else
[02:18] <bluesabre> I like my panel config, but I gotta make screenshots for releases :)
[02:19] <ali1234> yes, i think that's why most people would use it, but i don't see how saving anything other than the real current xfconf is useful?
[02:19] <bluesabre> Exporting is handy, but only needed if you're sharing or reinstalling
[02:20] <bluesabre> dunno
[02:21] <bluesabre> if 5 buttons in the toolbar act on the treeview and one doesn't, I'd say that one isn't working correctly
[02:21] <bluesabre> if saving current needs to be a separate action, needs to be separate
[02:21] <ali1234> it does act on the tree view though - it creates a new entry on it
[02:22] <ali1234> i dunno, UI is not my thing. i usually use the command line interface anyway :)
[02:22] <bluesabre> rephrased... if the other five act on the currently selected item, the other should too
[02:22] <bluesabre> :)
[02:22] <bluesabre> It's a bad UI
[02:22] <ali1234> i don't think it would be particularly unusual for what is effectively a "new" button to be grouped with the others
[02:23] <bluesabre> But it's a config app for an app that already has a config app :)
[02:23] <bluesabre> Really, ochosi needs to add it to the panel :)
[02:24] <bluesabre> But yeah, we can revisit in b+1
[02:24] <bluesabre> tired from the busy cycle... ready to release and relax
[02:24] <ali1234> agreed
[02:25] <ali1234> the core xfconf code could use some love too
[02:25] <ali1234> can't remember if this started out as python3 but it doesn't use a lot of nice py3 features where it could
[02:26] <Unit193> Liley started out supporting both.
[02:26] <ali1234> nah it definitely didn't support both
[02:26] <ali1234> unless it was by accident
[02:27] <ali1234> ah... i did write it with python3... just didn't know what i was doing then :)
[02:29] <Unit193> Hah, nice.
[02:52] <bluesabre> :)
[15:02] <Volkodav> has anybody noticed that panel-xkb is a cpu hog? Has been eating up to 40% of CPU since early alpha 18.04?
[16:38] <flocculant> Volkodav: I assume that you have a bug number from back then>
[16:39] <flocculant> ?
[17:22] <willem> leigh
[17:22]  * willem facepalms
[17:22] <willem> sorry about that. Was trying to find out if leigh was online.
[17:22] <krytarik> LOL :D
[17:23]  * willem silently moves away - runs out of the channel
[17:23] <krytarik> Oh nooo!
[17:23] <willem> :-)
[18:07] <flocculant> another respin looking likely
[18:59] <akxwi-dave> what they respining this time?
[19:00] <flocculant> not really sure tbh - not anting xubuntuish for sure
[19:02] <akxwi-dave> aslong as they don't break anything xubuntuish.. :-)
[19:02] <flocculant> :)
[19:04] <flocculant> ubiquity and misc ...
[19:04] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: ^^
[19:04] <akxwi-dave> ahhh
[19:06] <akxwi-dave> Now I deffo hope they don't break anythiny xubuntish.....  :-)
[20:11] <ochosi> bluesabre_: adding xfpanelswitch to the panel is a bit hard without porting to C (which probably wouldn't be much fun)
[20:11] <ochosi> bluesabre_: and regarding the css, would be interesting to see what ppl add there and whether it's the gtk3 panel or the gtk2 panel
[20:38] <ali1234> i've started putting all my customizations in git: https://github.com/ali1234/dotfiles
[20:56] <ochosi> ah right, you're still using Orion?
[20:56] <ali1234> yes
[20:57] <ali1234> only xfwm window decorations though
[21:08] <ochosi> oh ok


[00:22] <mhall119> thanks davidcalle
[00:24] <mhall119> davidcalle: what is this .application file?
[00:24] <mhall119> is that for the webapps?
[00:25] <davidcalle> mhall119, it's for the online accounts, you declare your app and the providers it needs
[00:25] <mhall119> ah, cool
[00:25]  * mhall119 has yet more APIs and interfaces to learn
[00:28] <mhall119> davidcalle: so on the preview_uri signal, you're generating a preview for all the results, not just the selected one?
[00:28] <mhall119> oh wait, you're looking for the selected one, I see
[00:28] <davidcalle> mhall119, for the selected one only
[00:32] <mhall119> davidcalle: thanks, this looks good
[00:32] <mhall119> now I need to upgrade so I can try it
[00:32] <davidcalle> mhall119, yeah, it's in the staging PPA
[00:33] <mhall119> I'm still on Precise, haven't had a chance to upgrade yet :(
[00:33] <davidcalle> mhall119, by the way congrats on the appdev upload spec, it's huge :D
[00:33] <mhall119> davidcalle: it's not the size that matters
[00:33] <mhall119> :)
[00:34] <mhall119> but yet, there's been a lot of work put into it
[00:34] <mhall119> hopefully it'll be close to finished soon
[00:34] <davidcalle> :)
[00:39] <mhall119> wow,it really is big, isn't it...
[00:48] <davidcalle> mhall119, yeah, who will ever want to read this :P
[00:54]  * ajmitch would :P
[01:11] <mhall119> davidcalle: the plan is to overwhelm them to the point that they agree to implement it just so they can avoid reading it :)
[01:27] <davidcalle> mhall119, "You don't have to read everything, just sign at the bottom..."
[01:31] <mhall119> lol, yup
[02:44] <ESphynx> guys: http://ecere.com/tmp/unityBug.png  this is what I was talking about
[03:01] <thumper> ESphynx: and for those that weren't around before, what were you talking about?
[03:03] <ESphynx> guys, is there some kind of weird override going on with maximized apps? > Unity realy doesn’t play nice with my GUI toolkit :|  you’ll see the menu bar display twice under itself when maximized... and sometimes the clicks are gonna be off as well... I really wish we could work to resolve this
[03:03] <ESphynx>  My app is meant to come up maximized...But with Unity, sometimes it will come up maximized messed up, sometimes maximized OK , sometimes not maximized (fine)
[03:04] <ESphynx> ( I’m also having a hard time with the menu title bar not updating when it should :S)
[03:05] <ESphynx> those are all non issues on other WMs ... (e.g. Ubuntu before Unity or RedHat)
[03:06] <duflu> ESphynx: Please run "ubuntu-bug compiz" on the affected machine to report a bug
[03:08] <ESphynx> duflu: well first I’d like to determine whether it’s a compiz / unity or ecere bug
[03:08] <ESphynx> it’s been like that since the first unity version
[03:08] <thumper> ESphynx: what's the toolkit?
[03:08] <ESphynx> thumper: the toolkit is Ecere... (i’m the developer)
[03:08] <thumper> open source?
[03:09] <ESphynx> thumper: yes ... looking for a debian/ubuntu sponsor: http://mentors.debian.net/package/ecere-sdk
[03:09] <thumper> what is the target user or use-case?
[03:09] <ESphynx> thumper: It’s a light general cross platform toolkit, I meant it as a lighter/more elegant solution to Qt and GTK
[06:33] <MCR1> thumper: Hi :) Thanks for approval here, but as I thought r2543 was wrong - I reverted it, I think it needs reapproval now, so if you have a minute: https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/unity/unity.merge-more-optimizing/+merge/118265
[06:43] <thumper> MCR1: ok, I'll look after eating
[07:31] <MCR1> thumper: Sure. Thx.
[07:32] <MCR1> thumper: Bon Appetit !
[08:32] <MCR1> The new preview feature is very nice, but the user should be able to get back to the results view somehow
[08:32] <MCR1> Currently Esc does nothing and there is no back button
[08:33] <MCR1> so you have to close and reopen the Dash after you've opened the preview, which is bad
[08:34] <thumper> MCR1: file a bug :)
[08:42] <MCR1> thumper: Esc to get back seems to work - mis-observation by me:-[
[08:46] <MCR1> thumper: bug 1037959
[09:20] <MCR1> gord: The preview feature looks GREAT. A top addition for the Dash! Always thought there should be some context menu, when clicking the right mouse button, but htis is even better. I really like it. 8-)
[09:20] <MCR1> *this
[09:57] <Andy80> yeah... a context menu with "Always hide this file" would be nice too...
[11:58] <ne0n> Hello
[11:59] <ne0n> Anyone active?
[12:00] <mhr3> davidcalle, ping
[12:00] <ne0n> Hi. Can you please help me with a Ubuntu problem
[12:02] <mhr3> ne0n, you probably want #ubuntu instead
[12:03] <ne0n> Ok...i'm new to irc. How do i change channel?
[12:03] <mhr3> ne0n, type "/join #ubuntu"
[12:04] <ne0n> OK, thanks
[15:36] <mhr3> mhall119, ping?
[15:37] <mhr3> mhall119, as our doc master, i think you might find https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/drawings/d/1Og0sVxBx-2mWiwkO1syD0rtW5FLO2d_jpC26Jc6g_us/edit useful to put somewhere
[15:37] <mhr3> drew that quite a while ago, and forgot to ping you about it
[15:53] <ESphynx> http://ecere.com/tmp/unityBug.png  -- could anyone assist me with this integration issue?
[15:53] <ESphynx> that double menu there is not supposed to happen :P
[16:04] <mhall119> mhr3: absolutely, thanks
[16:08] <mhall119> mhr3: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/lenses-and-scopes/
[16:12] <mhr3> mhall119, yey! first image on that page :)
[16:14] <mhall119> it is?
[16:14] <mhall119> hmm, looks like we have dead image links.....
[16:15] <mhall119> mhr3: do you still have the images there were referenced in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mhr3/Lenses?
[16:15] <mhr3> mhall119, no, i never had them, that was copied from the orig page
[16:16] <mhr3> and they weren't even there afair
[16:16] <mhall119> :/
[16:16] <mhall119> ook
[16:21] <mhr3> davidcalle, btw it should be now possible to use MergeStrategy just fine (my unity fix landed today) pls test if you get a moment ;)
[16:22] <davidcalle> mhr3, testing right away!
[16:24] <mhr3> davidcalle, well it landed into trunk... not in Q yet
[16:28] <davidcalle> mhr3, looks like it's in staging
[17:02] <davidcalle> mhr3, in your opinion, what would be the best way to sort all these rows?
[17:03] <mhr3> davidcalle, well what sorting do you want to have?
[17:03] <mhr3> by name, by popularity, by recency?
[17:04] <davidcalle> mhr3, on a timestamp
[17:04] <davidcalle> so recency
[17:05] <mhr3> davidcalle, well then you probably need a map[uri] = timestamp
[17:06] <mhr3> and use insert_sorted with cmp function that takes that map into consideration
[17:06] <OwaisL> Hi guys, any fix for the crashing panel from staging ppa?
[17:14] <davidcalle> OwaisL, no indicators?
[17:14] <OwaisL> davidcalle, yep. I guess it is a gsettings migration issue
[17:14] <OwaisL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1037712
[17:15] <davidcalle> OwaisL, I suppose, same here
[17:38] <OwaisL> davidcalle, may be it's related to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1024179
[17:38] <MCR1> davidcalle, OwaisL: I got indicators, but not the Unity default ones, just those I start manually - and these are compressed (use a fixed space per indicator)
[17:39] <OwaisL> It would be really nice if someone who has compiz/unity built locally could share these schema files till the fix lands in trunk
[17:39] <MCR1> and the indicators are just visible on the main sceen, but invisible on the others (got just the panel there)
[17:41] <MCR1> OwaisL: One moment, I'll look.
[17:41] <OwaisL> MCR1, thanks
[17:45]  * MCR1 is building Unity - might take a while
[19:08] <njin> Hallo guys, is this a work in progress or i've to open a report ? http://youtu.be/trA60I3n4YU
[19:09] <njin> Quantal fully updated
[19:11] <ESphynx> any unity dev around? :|
[19:15] <ESphynx> I’d like to know if this bug is my toolkit’s fault or Unity’s...  http://ecere.com/tmp/unityBug.png    doesn’t happen with other WM
[19:54] <OwaisL> MCR1, any luck?
[20:12] <MCR1> OwaisL: Sry was afk - I am back on it...
[20:17] <MCR1> OwaisL: You need networkarearegion.xml unitydialog.xml unitymtgrabhandle.xml and unityshell.xml ?
[20:19] <OwaisL> yep. I guess unityshell.xml should do. Basically I need the one that contains 'org.compiz.unityshell' keys
[20:21] <MCR1> OwaisL: http://pastebin.com/Rjsd0hL4
[20:22] <MCR1> unityshell.xml ^^
[20:22] <OwaisL> Do we have .schema files too?
[20:23] <MCR1> compiz-unityshell.schemas ?
[20:24] <OwaisL> I guess
[20:26] <MCR1> http://pastebin.com/Lfx4xRsW
[20:32] <OwaisL> Hmm, looks like this is the gconf schema not gsettings one. it has /schemas/apps/compiz-1/unityshell. I'm looking for /org/compiz/unityshell. I think that one comes from the gsettings branch. Thanks a lot for helping out. I guess I'll downgrade from the staging version for now.
[20:32] <OwaisL> Thanks a bunch!
[20:36] <MCR1> OwaisL: yw
[21:04] <davidcalle> mhr3, is there already a way to send a video stream to a movie preview?
[21:08] <mhr3> no
[21:19] <davidcalle> mhr3, ok
[21:27] <MCR1> bschaefer: Hi :) Once again I need your approval here (missed 2 SWTICHER->SWITCHER typos last time): https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/unity/unity.merge.fix-hardcoded-keys-part1/+merge/119204
[21:27] <bschaefer> MCR1, cool, let me take a look
[21:27] <MCR1> bschaefer: It's nothing special, just typo and comment fixes. Thx.
[21:27] <bschaefer> MCR1, hmm I still have to fix my branch before yours can merge
[21:28]  * bschaefer is busy with some xim stuff...
[21:28] <MCR1> bschaefer: Yes, that is point 2, but I did not wanna stress you with this ;)
[21:28] <MCR1> ups, I sent the wrong link, sry
[21:29] <bschaefer> MCR1, yeah, Ill get a chance later today to fix my branch or tomorrow. FF is next week soo i need to fix this other problem :)
[21:29] <MCR1> bschaefer: https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/unity/unity.merge-fix-typos/+merge/116216
[21:29] <MCR1> ^^ this is the one I meant
[21:29] <MCR1> and then I'll stop disturbing ;)
[21:30] <bschaefer> MCR1, cool, looks good to me still :)
[21:30] <mhall119> mhr3: where can I get the pretty new preview stuff?
[21:30]  * bschaefer approving
[21:30] <MCR1> bschaefer: thx
[21:30] <bschaefer> MCR1, np, thanks again for your fixes :)
[21:30] <bschaefer> mhall119, is it not in trunk atm?
[21:30] <MCR1> mhall119: Unity staging PPA on Quantal for example
[21:31] <bschaefer> ^ better answer
[21:31] <mhall119> is it in the staging ppa?
[21:31] <MCR1> bschaefer: Happy to help
[21:31] <mhall119> cool
[21:31] <bschaefer> mhall119, I think ppas are down today...
[21:31] <MCR1> mhall119: yes
[21:31] <mhall119> it's been a while since I was on staging
[21:31] <bschaefer> unless I miss read that email
[21:32]  * mhall119 is about to find out
[21:32] <bschaefer> mhall119, never mind download is just fine :)
[21:32] <bschaefer> it's upload and pushing/building
[21:33] <mhall119> ah, cool
[21:40] <mhall119> hmmm, thinks are going so well
[21:42] <mhall119> (unity-panel-service:3099): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.compiz.unityshell' is not installed
[21:42] <mhall119> unity-panel-service won't run
[21:43] <MCR1> mhall119: yes, there are some problems I forgot to tell you ;)
[21:44] <mhall119> problems on a staging PPA? Unacceptable!
[21:44] <MCR1> mhall119: bug 1024179
[21:44] <MCR1> maybe
[21:46] <mhall119> what's the manual fix?
[21:47] <MCR1> maybe copying the generated xml files per hand, but not sure - I'll wait 4 the automatic fix ;)
[21:48] <MCR1> after all there are already branches attempting to fix it
[21:50]  * mhall119 isn't very good at waiting ;)
[21:51] <MCR1> hehe
[22:12] <mhall119> gah, even after building unity I don't have those gschema files
[22:14] <mhall119> mhr3: halp!
[22:15]  * mhr3 has hidden all the halp faeries
[22:21] <mhall119> mhr3: I don't need a faery, I need a gsettings schema file
[22:22] <mhall119> (unity-panel-service:12826): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.compiz.unityshell' is not installed
[22:23] <mhr3> i have tons of schemas here
[22:23] <mhall119> do you have one for org.compiz.unityshell?
[22:23] <mhall119> because I don't
[22:23] <mhr3> but do you know how many cpu cycles i had to spent to get them all?
[22:24] <mhall119> I even got the latest trunk of unity to compile, still no schema file :(
[22:24] <mhr3> ~/unity/install/share/glib-2.0/schemas$ head org.compiz.unityshell.gschema.xml
[22:24] <mhr3> <?xml version="1.0"?>

[22:24] <mhr3>   <schema id="org.compiz.unityshell" gettext-domain="compiz">
[22:25] <mhall119> mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~/projects/Ubuntu/unity/trunk/build$ ls ~/projects/Ubuntu/unity/staging/share/glib-2.0/schemas/
[22:25] <mhall119> com.canonical.Unity.gschema.xml  gschemas.compiled
[22:25] <mhall119> those are the only 2 files
[22:26] <mhr3> looks like very old ones
[22:26] <mhall119> parent branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/unity/
[22:26] <mhall119> revno 2583
[22:26] <mhr3> although maybe you need to build compiz to get them all
[22:27] <mhall119> oh, that could be
[22:27] <mhr3> coo-om-piz: you have to get them all!
[22:27] <mhall119> lol
[22:27] <mhr3> i guess the pokemon-style didn't go through there
[22:27] <mhall119> so maybe I'll be better off waiting for these fixes to land in staging
[22:28] <mhr3> yes, that's what normal people who don't like to compile everything do :)
[22:28] <mhall119> I don't mine compiling everything, when it does what I want
[22:35] <OwaisL> mhr3, you could share those files with us and we could manually do a 'glib-compile-schemas'. Could that work or do we need newer binaries too?
[22:38] <mhr3> :/ too big for pastebin
[22:40] <mhall119> publish it to u1
[22:40] <mhr3> ok this worked
[22:41] <mhr3> http://pastebin.com/e7UEugLi
[22:42] <mhall119> mhr3: ok, now how do I use it?
[22:42] <OwaisL> BTW I just noticed that the modal dialogs plugin is back in ccsm. This release is getting really exciting.
[22:42] <mhr3> mhall119, yea... no idea, the build system does that :)
[22:43] <OwaisL> I guess
[22:43] <OwaisL> You'd have to copy the file over to /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas
[22:43] <OwaisL> and then do 'glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas'
[22:44] <mhall119> nope
[22:51] <OwaisL> Yea, the keys don't show up in dconf-editor which means it was not compiled for some reason
[22:54] <mhall119> woot! glib-compile-schemas as root did the trick
[22:54] <OwaisL> Doesn't work for me
[22:54] <mhall119> yay, Unity works
[22:55] <mhall119> you copied the pastebin as /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.compiz.unityshell.gschema.xml ?
[22:55] <mhall119> then: sudo glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/
[22:56] <OwaisL> Yes, I did exactly that.
[22:57] <mhall119> hmmm
[22:57] <mhall119> did you run "unity --replace"?
[23:00] <OwaisL> actually unity just stopped working after this :) It segfaults now
[23:02] <mhall119> yeah, I've gotten that a few times now too
[23:03] <mhall119> mhr3: it doesn't want to report bugs against nux, presumably because it's coming from the staging PPA, didn't we fix that last cycle so we could report bugs?
[23:04] <OwaisL> it was crashing because of the modal dialogs plugin. Disabled that and now it loads fine but still no indicators. org.compiz entry doesn't show up in dconf-editor either
[23:04] <OwaisL> ls
[23:04] <OwaisL> oops :)
[23:18] <mhall119> I don't see a modal dialog plugin
[23:18] <OwaisL> It worked! I had a paths for ~/staging build exported to environment so gsettings were picked from ~/staging/share/ instead of /usr/share/
[23:18] <OwaisL> :)
[23:19] <OwaisL> mhall199, I guess I was wrong about that. I had manually copied the modaldialog schema file to /usr/share/glib2.0/schemas. That's why I got it. It works pretty well though :)
[23:20] <OwaisL> The file was generated by the build from latest trunk though
[23:20] <OwaisL> Don't know if it'll be activated in 12.10. I guess not.
[23:21] <OwaisL> phew... I  close the xchat window now that I've got the indicators back :D
[23:21] <OwaisL> can*
[23:33] <OwaisL> davidcalle, you might want to apply the temp fix ^
[23:33] <OwaisL> Good night everyone!
[23:34] <davidcalle> Thanks!
[23:35] <davidcalle> mhall119, what's the fix? I came too late to the party.


[21:41] <blackboxsw> falcojr: I just pushed this commit that should allow building module docs in the current project-root via an env var CLOUD_INIT_SCHEMA_DIR=config tox -e  doc. https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1175/commits/2b43a2ef3fb555b9e0b79b4e1bb43746e5ab7460 Letting CI take its course
[21:41] <falcojr> blackboxsw: cool, I'll take a look soon
[21:41] <blackboxsw> will that's an interesting linkg ubottu
[21:41] <blackboxsw> reviewing your branches now
[23:03] <blackboxsw> falcojr: looks like unrelated RTD build failures https://readthedocs.org/projects/cloudinit/builds/15766828/
[23:03] <blackboxsw> just a heads up prior to us landing any of the schema stuff that'll update docs
[23:14] <blackboxsw> intermittent error, current builds succeeding


[06:24] <dholbach> good morning
[15:08] <czajkowski> costales: hey
[15:10] <czajkowski> PabloRubianes: I've invited you and costales to the irc channel
[15:11] <costales> Hi czajkowski
[15:12] <czajkowski> costales: hey there invite also sent to you


[05:32] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone
[06:15] <Kilos> morning all
[06:18] <nsnzero> good morning Kilos
[06:20] <Kilos> hi nsnzero superfly inetpro andrewlsd chesedo paddatrapper Sicelo theblazehen and other lurkers
[06:20] <anton_may> ellooooo
[06:22] <nsnzero> flush them out
[06:22] <paddatrapper> Hey Kilos
[06:22] <thatgraemeguy> /nick other_lurkers
[06:22] <thatgraemeguy> morning :-)
[06:22] <Kilos> hahah hi there thatgraemeguy
[06:26] <superfly> morning paddatrapper, thatgraemeguy, Kilos, nsnzero anton_may
[06:26] <paddatrapper> Hey superfly
[06:30] <anton_may> Morning superfly
[06:30] <Kilos> hi yolo-bro
[06:30] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:31] <Kilos> oh its zipper
[06:31] <Kilos> and urbanslug
[06:32] <anton_may> lol
[06:38] <yolo-bro> Kilos: Hello
[06:38] <yolo-bro> lol
[06:51] <Kilos> i go do chores
[06:52] <anton_may> in the snow :o brave man
[06:55] <Kilos> sshhhhh
[06:56] <Kilos> woolly sheep dont get cold
[06:56] <Kilos> its just the sucker that lets them out that suffers
[06:58] <Kilos> sigh not even any sun showing
[07:05] <anton_may> lol
[07:17] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[07:35] <chesedo> morning Kilos paddatrapper nsnzero anton_may thatgraemeguy superfly zipper and others
[07:36] <anton_may> Mornings chesedo
[07:54] <dlPhreak> Good morning.
[08:06] <chesedo> morning dlPhreak
[08:22] <dlPhreak> chesedo: How are you?
[08:25] <chesedo> great thanks and self dlPhreak
[08:25] <chesedo> *?
[08:27] <dlPhreak> Pretty good thanks
[08:35] <dlPhreak> You're from PTA right, chesedo ?
[08:36] <Kilos> power gone with the wind
[08:36] <Kilos> wbb
[08:36] <chesedo> dlPhreak: yes
[08:36] <dlPhreak> Are you part of PLUG?
[08:37] <chesedo> dlPhreak: nope (or atleast i do not think that i'm on the mailing list)
[08:38] <dlPhreak> chesedo: Do you perhaps know how many people actively attend PLUG gatherings?
[08:39] <chesedo> dlPhreak: no, did not even know they had any...
[08:41] <dlPhreak> That's no surprise given that their home page looks like it fell throught time from 1997..
[08:56] <superfly> they are mostly on Google Groups
[08:56] <superfly> actually, sorry, I'm thinking of GTPUG
[09:57] <inetpro> good mornings
[10:19] <dlPhreak> Hi inetpro
[10:25] <Kilos> sigh
[10:28] <dlPhreak> En nou Kilos ?
[10:28] <Kilos> power cuts as usual
[10:28] <Kilos> power blows away with the wind
[10:29] <dlPhreak> That sucks.
[10:39] <theblazehen> Well. Looks like you can't easily boot a 4.7.0 kernel on a galaxy note 2.. Might need to recompile glibc or something maybe as well? I just did the kernel, and don't use loadable modules, so that shouldn't be an issue
[10:41] <nsnzero> theblazehen: what are you trying to do ?
[10:42] <theblazehen> nsnzero: upgrade the kernel to at least 3.12 (currently 3.10.64 IIRC?), so I can run lxd
[10:42] <theblazehen> Otherwise I might be able to do lxc now
[10:43] <theblazehen> I think 3.0.64 actually
[10:44] <theblazehen> I just copied the config from https://github.com/cyanogenmod/android_kernel_samsung_smdk4412, pasted it in by new kernel source, enabled namespaces etc and then built it
[10:44] <theblazehen> >"make randconfig"  Create a ./.config file by setting symbol
[10:44] <theblazehen> 			   values to random values.
[10:44] <theblazehen> Sounds like a great idea!
[10:47] <nsnzero> correct me if i am wrong - but isnt cynogenmod using an  android kernel - not linux ?
[10:55] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: What was that cheap domain name company you were talking about a while ago?
[10:56] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Android kernel = linux with some fancy settings
[10:56] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Was it namecheap.com?
[10:57] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: Sounds familiar. Thanks
[10:58] <nsnzero> theblazehen: you want to put linux onto a note 2 ?
[10:58] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Yeah. Display is broken
[10:59] <theblazehen> has a quad core 1.6 GHz CPU, and 2 GB ram
[10:59] <theblazehen> might as well put it to some use
[10:59] <theblazehen> And nice to test things on other architectures
[10:59] <theblazehen> Like this fun zsh thing: killzsh(){if true; then killzsh; fi};killzsh
[10:59] <theblazehen> git bisect shows different results depending on gcc -O levels on linux amd64
[11:00] <theblazehen> And doesn't crash at all on freebsd
[11:00] <theblazehen> amd64 as well
[11:00] <theblazehen> Wanna try arm as well
[11:04] <anton_may> Has anybody run this script? It adds 7ms delay for network packets
[11:04] <anton_may> tc qdisc add dev eno2 root netem delay 7ms
[11:12] <nsnzero> theblazehen: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2171383
[11:12] <nsnzero> theblazehen: ubtuntu touch on a note 2
[11:12] <nsnzero> theblazehen: hope it helps
[11:15] <theblazehen> nsnzero: I know about it. It didn't boot a few years back (at least not to GUI), but the kernel is still too old for lxd. Even too old for plain lxc. I've managed to kill off most of android after I set up the chroot, and I've at least got a kernel that can do lxc on gentoo. IIRC ubuntu touch doesn't have a really nice userland either, just a little better than android. Was pretty much, oh I can't just use systemd/openrc/upstart
[11:15] <theblazehen> directly.. Hmm. Maybe I can at least do containers on ubuntu touch, and just not touch the host os. Looks like that
[11:15] <theblazehen> 's not gonna work
[11:16] <theblazehen> But got a sshd on gentoo running
[11:17] <theblazehen> So I boot up android, then have a script that adb shell's in to android, starts the usb nic, configures it to run a dhcp client (have it bridged to my normal network on the other end), start the gentoo container, and then kill pretty much everything android.
[11:19] <ra1v3n> Hello
[11:19] <Kilos> hi ra1v3n
[11:19] <Kilos> Maaz nickometer ra1v3n
[11:19] <Maaz> Kilos: ra1v3n is 99.4% lame
[11:20] <nsnzero> theblazehen: thats beyond my tinkering
[11:20] <Kilos> yeh very hard to type nick that
[11:26] <ra1v3n> hello
[11:28] <nsnzero> hi
[11:30] <ra1v3n> hello nsnzero
[11:31] <nsnzero> whats up ra1v3n
[11:31] <ra1v3n> The Ceiling?
[11:32] <nsnzero> lol
[11:33] <ra1v3n> ;P
[12:01] <nsnzero> almost home time - take care guys
[12:02] <ra1v3n> bye bye
[12:02] <Kilos> cheers nsnzero
[12:19] <jerit> HALLO FREINDLY  FRIENDS
[12:22] <ra1v3n> hello jerit
[12:22] <ra1v3n> but why are you screaming?
[12:23] <jerit> hi hi
[12:23] <jerit> anyone who gets the "friendly friends" reference will know why its all caps :P
[12:24] <ra1v3n> orkay?
[12:24] <jerit> a character from an old kids show I used to watch when I was small always said it really loud when he came on screen lol
[12:24] <ra1v3n> orkay?
[12:24] <jerit> don't rightly remember the show's name though... Kideo maybe?
[12:37] <ra1v3n> I have no Idea
[12:37] <ra1v3n> <--------------Ancient
[12:42] <jerit> how old is ancient if you don't mind me asking?
[12:42] <ra1v3n> 33
[12:42] <jerit> then you should know the show I'm talking about
[12:43] <jerit> pumpkin patch was another such show
[12:43] <jerit> Does this bring back any memories? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OvXsP-xzjA
[12:44] <ra1v3n> oh The Horror!
[12:44] <jerit> xD
[12:44] <jerit> wahahahahahaha
[12:46] <Kilos> hi jerit
[12:46] <jerit> hi hi Kilos
[13:16] <jerit> Kilos, I found my websites
[13:16] <Kilos> where  were they
[13:16] <jerit> on a completely different server to the one I was looking at :/
[13:16] <Kilos> lol
[13:16] <jerit> right there where they should've been at /home/admin/web/
[13:17] <Kilos> on your pc?
[13:58] <andrewlsd> jerit: Molly Metronome  <-- Nightmare stuff.
[14:01] <SEptic> anybody awake here?
[14:02] <Kilos> duh
[14:03] <jerit> andrewlsd and yet we're not as messed up as the youth of today
[14:04] <andrewlsd> Hello SEptic
[14:06] <jerit> andrewlsd this is turning my brain to goo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFYJm47JBmE
[14:07] <jerit> "I feel like singing a green song" lol omg
[14:08] <andrewlsd> She got in early on the whole "Green" everything bandwagon.
[14:08] <andrewlsd> IT
[14:08] <andrewlsd> (not sure if that appears properly for you, but I was aiming for "green IT")
[14:09] <andrewlsd> anyone else here freezing. It is seriously chilly today.
[14:09] <andrewlsd> Tinking of sitting in the fridge to warm up.
[14:09] <andrewlsd> s/Tinking/Thinking/
[14:10] <andrewlsd> lol, "stinkingin"
[14:10] <Kilos> lol
[14:10] <andrewlsd> My fingers have their own autocomplete it seems.
[14:10] <andrewlsd> I think of something, start typing it, and then my fingers do whatever the heck they want to.
[14:12] <SEptic> any1 else having shit with multiple monitors and 16.04?
[14:13] <SEptic> seems especially so with intel HD graphics on dell laptops
[14:16] <andrewlsd> SEptic: are both displays the same resolution?
[14:17] <SEptic> laptop screen: 1366x768
[14:17] <SEptic> ext1: 1920x1080
[14:18] <SEptic> ext2: 1280x1080
[14:18] <SEptic> got 2 dell latitudes 5430 and a 5440
[14:19] <SEptic> i can kinda get 1 external screen to work ... but its iffy, 2 seems impossible
[14:19] <SEptic> i know the 5430 only support 2 displays at a time and cant do 3 at the same time
[14:20] <jerit> andrewlsd I can't type login without typing my name which is not login
[14:20] <SEptic> plug in an out and the resolution goes all whack and all jams
[14:26] <Kilos> jerit its username
[14:26] <Kilos> then it will want the password
[14:28] <Kilos> you people do funny things
[14:29] <Kilos> is your gui not working? why would you want to type login
[14:40] <andrewlsd> aah, yeah, I sometimes have issues like that jerit. ... with nVidia hybrid graphics card :-(
[14:43] <Sicelo> theblazehen: galaxy note 2 uses glibc? i doubt
[14:47] <Sicelo> not sure though .. i don't have a droid here.
[14:49] <Sicelo> might be naughty of me to suggest -but you may want a Nokia N900 for that kind of stuff, lol ... much weaker hardware unfortunately, but still seems the closest thing you can get to Linux in your pocket
[14:49] <Sicelo> no chroot stuff needed .. just boot a proper distro of your choice
[15:03] <andrewlsd> Sicelo: that is tru.
[15:10] <jerit> Kilos if I'm coding the login form or such, then I'll write functions and stuff called DoLogin or whatever
[15:10] <jerit> normally ends up DoLogan then I get excited and depressed at the same time coz nobody will do me
[15:13] <Kilos> lol
[15:25] <andrewlsd> lol. cheers folks, am off again.
[15:26] <Kilos> cheers andrewlsd
[15:26]  * andrewlsd disconnects from Quassel Core.
[15:41] <jerit> Quassel Core?
[15:41] <Kilos> dont you know quassel
[15:41] <Kilos> comes with kde
[15:41] <jerit> hey guys... I've installed a ZNC bouncer on my ubuntu VM and I haven't had any connection issues today
[15:41] <jerit> thats a new one
[15:41] <Kilos> irc chat client you can bounce with
[15:42] <Kilos> not new pro and fly been using it for years
[15:54] <theblazehen> Sicelo: Pretty sure it does, lots of chroot apps in market. Also, neo900.org
[16:33] <theblazehen> http://elinux.org/Android_Mainlining_Project this is dissapointing
[16:37] <Sicelo> theblazehen: N900 & Neo900 do not need chroot. linux kernel can boot just fine, and the most stuff works in the mainline kernel. see http://elinux.org/N900 :)
[16:38] <Sicelo> using chroot is possible of course, but when you can put linux right on the hardware, why do it?
[16:38] <Sicelo> anyway, N900 is old now .. 256MB RAM is bad
[16:39] <theblazehen> Sicelo: Yeah, I would like one of those.
[16:39] <theblazehen> However I wanted something arm, and trying to get a normal linux  on a old phone is more fun than qemu
[16:41] <Sicelo> maybe the Nexus line?
[16:42] <theblazehen> I don't have an old nexus though
[16:42] <theblazehen> If I didn't have an old android I wouldn't even be bothering with it
[16:43] <theblazehen> I have around 9 GB ram free on desktop, and around 27 GB free on vm/container host
[16:43] <theblazehen> Not hurting for processor power
[16:43] <theblazehen> And the android has a broken display, so nothing better to do with it
[16:45] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[16:46] <theblazehen> hey pavlushka
[16:47] <pavlushka> aaa.. theblazehen , its been a while, missed you, :)
[16:48] <theblazehen> Yeah, been busy
[16:51] <SEptic> yes my ppl
[17:01] <jerit> hello?
[17:02] <Kilos> hi jerit
[17:03] <Kilos> haha is that an age denying surname?
[17:03] <jerit> What? Young?  Meeting here tomorrow night at 8.30 pm everyone
[17:18] <SEptic> lol
[17:20] <jerit> meeting about what?
[17:21] <Kilos> monthly meeting about serious stuffs
[17:21] <Kilos> everyone is welcome
[17:23] <chesedo> Kilos: are there any items on here that you can knock down -> https://trello.com/c/ovj2TZ5r/104-monthly-meeting-july-2016
[17:24]  * Kilos looking
[17:29] <jerit> David Draiman describing Trump: "That idiot with the fake hairpiece"
[17:32] <Kilos> do you see them chesedo or must i still tick something
[17:33] <Kilos> and will you do the G+ thing
[17:33] <Sicelo> theblazehen: keep us in the loop with your progress ... got a blog or something?
[17:40] <theblazehen> Sicelo: Not yet, but there's a few things I wanna write up in any case
[17:40] <theblazehen> Wrote a pretty long post on reddit the other day about my salt / docker setup, and my opinion on config management
[17:41] <Langjan> Hi there guys, hi Kilos are you ok?
[17:41] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[17:41] <Kilos> what broke
[17:41] <Langjan> Your notice
[17:41] <Kilos> yes im ok ty sir, and you?
[17:41] <Langjan> of irc meeting
[17:41] <Langjan> does not say when
[17:41] <Langjan> also fine thks Kilos
[17:41] <Kilos> oh my
[17:42] <Langjan> just thought  will let you know
[17:42] <Kilos> the mailing list or the tweet place
[17:42] <Langjan> mailing list
[17:42] <Kilos> lemme fix that right now
[17:42] <Kilos> dont run away
[17:43] <Langjan> ok
[17:43] <Langjan> still holding out? and headaches?
[17:44] <Kilos> head not too bad last few days ty
[17:44] <Kilos> is the mail fixed?
[17:45] <Kilos> i did a reply to it. not sure thats acceptable to some finiky peeps but its done
[17:46] <Langjan> OK I assume its tonight?
[17:46] <Langjan> Then you will be busy so I will love and leave you
[17:47] <Kilos> eish
[17:47] <Kilos> tomorrow night
[17:47] <Langjan> oh, ok another update coming...
[17:47] <Kilos> you reply and inform them all and excuse my memory please
[17:48] <Kilos> lol
[17:48] <Langjan> sorry to burst your bubble
[17:48] <Langjan> lmga!
[17:48] <Kilos> jou beurt is jou beurt
[17:49] <Kilos> come on, im waiting
[17:49] <Langjan> done
[17:49] <Kilos> ty sir you so kind
[17:49] <inetpro> Kilos: you enjoy talking to yourselves on email?
[17:50] <chesedo> Kilos: i'll so g+, can you do email?
[17:50] <Langjan> my pleasure. Hows the willpower holding out?
[17:50] <Kilos> im trying chesedo
[17:50] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[17:50] <chesedo> oh, and inetpro maybe twitter
[17:50] <inetpro> no
[17:50] <Kilos> dont talk about that atm Langjan
[17:50] <Kilos> next week
[17:51] <chesedo> oh hey, morning inetpro
[17:51] <Kilos> inetpro what you mean talking to myself
[17:51] <Langjan> no now!
[17:51] <Langjan> morning inetpro are you in NZ?
[17:51] <inetpro> chesedo: am not on the pc now
[17:52] <theblazehen> :/ Made a copy of the stuff I want in /data because I was gonna wipe it. tar'd it up, but forgot to copy to pc first :(
[17:52] <Kilos> haha inetpro i enjoy good company
[17:52] <chesedo> np inetpro, when you can is fine... you are the only one with twitter acces afaik...
[17:52] <theblazehen> For some reason the gentoo dir didn't get deleted
[17:52] <Sicelo> theblazehen: that sucks
[17:52] <Kilos> didnt i do twitter as well
[17:53] <Kilos> oh my
[17:53] <inetpro> chesedo: oom Kilos has access
[17:53] <Langjan> muisneste
[17:53] <chesedo> oh you can do twitter Kilos :D
[17:53] <Kilos> inetpro did you get a tweet
[17:53] <Kilos> nono chesedo
[17:53] <inetpro> I don't know
[17:53]  * chesedo didn't know that
[17:54] <Kilos> dont you see tweets from ubuntuza on fone inetpro ?
[17:54] <inetpro> only if I go looking for it
[17:55] <Kilos> eish so how do i know if i got a tweet through?
[17:55] <Kilos> ai!
[17:55] <Langjan> Listen to the birdie
[17:55] <theblazehen> Now to figure out how to get openrc to not kill networking, how to kill the android services, how to get the network up and dhcp client up, how to make sure the now dead android cpu manager doesn't put 3 cores offline, how to get the mounts right, how to chroot in to get gentoo to start right..
[17:56] <Langjan> Kilos, im going to leave you, keep well and use the smoke-free zones
[17:56] <Kilos> ty Langjan
[17:56] <Kilos> look after you in the cold
[17:56] <theblazehen> Hmm. gentoo was way bigger this morning...
[17:56] <Langjan> thks will do, just put some more logs on the fire
[17:56] <theblazehen> fsck
[17:57] <Langjan> and especially you in the cold Kilos
[17:57] <Kilos> lekker slaap oom
[17:57] <Kilos> dnkie vir die hulp
[17:57] <Kilos> dankie ook
[17:57] <Langjan> jy ook dankie en kyk na jouself
[17:57] <Langjan> my plesier
[17:57] <Kilos> ek sal dankie
[17:57] <theblazehen> Oh, and how to get dns working in android userland, so that I get run ntpd, so that I can start gentoo succssfully
[17:58] <theblazehen> Or maybe I'll just use an IP..
[17:59] <theblazehen> because /etc/resolv.conf isn't a thing
[18:02] <Kilos> i give up on twitter inetpro , it doesnt show me my tweets
[18:02] <Kilos> so ive tweeted twice now its your turn
[18:02] <chesedo> Kilos: where do you want to see your tweets?
[18:03] <Kilos> im on the account but it doesnt show the tweets
[18:03] <Kilos> grrrrr
[18:03] <Kilos> i dont wanna see other peeps tweets
[18:03] <Kilos> oh my
[18:03] <Kilos> maybe it messed up with my own tweet thing
[18:04] <Kilos> ai!
[18:04] <chesedo> Kilos:  page please?
[18:05] <Kilos> sec ill open again
[18:05] <Kilos> https://twitter.com/ubuntuza
[18:07] <chesedo> Kilos: who are you logged in as (top right corner)?
[18:07] <inetpro> you tweeted on your personal account Kilos
[18:07] <Kilos> eish and last time i had to use another browser to get into my own account
[18:08] <inetpro> https://twitter.com/sharpeys
[18:09] <FusionSparc> Evening guys..
[18:11] <Kilos> sigh
[18:11] <Kilos> hi FusionSparc
[18:12] <inetpro> Kilos: no need to use another browser... just logout each time when you are done tweeting
[18:12] <FusionSparc> You well Kilos?
[18:12] <Sicelo> theblazehen: what mechanism is ued to resolve IPs if /etc/resolv.conf isn't used?
[18:12] <Kilos> yes ty FusionSparc and you?
[18:13] <Kilos> i dont see a logout button inetpro
[18:13] <FusionSparc> Doing good.. :)
[18:14] <Kilos> meeting here tomorrow night FusionSparc
[18:14] <FusionSparc> Saw the email, tnx
[18:14] <Kilos> yay
[18:15] <Kilos> something is working
[18:15] <chesedo-> Kilos: tweet is through
[18:15] <chesedo-> congratz oom \o/
[18:15] <chesedo-> and g+ also done...
[18:15] <Kilos> yes i found the right one in another browser chesedo-
[18:15] <Kilos> but i dont see a logout button
[18:16] <theblazehen> Sicelo: https://github.com/bparmentier/DNSSetter/wiki/ndc-resolver-commands
[18:16] <chesedo> Kilos: click on profile pic (top right)
[18:16] <Kilos> ai! i dont see that
[18:17] <inetpro> Kilos: click on your face
[18:17] <inetpro> top right
[18:17] <Kilos> got too much disabled to cut data use maybe
[18:17] <Kilos> no face there
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: prove it with a screenshot
[18:18] <Kilos> lol ok sec
[18:22] <Kilos> http://pasteboard.co/IGwDWZkL.png
[18:22] <chesedo> inetpro: seems like Kilos has to hack Twitter first to remove his face :P
[18:23] <chesedo> with 1 sec again...
[18:23] <Kilos> no man i battle everytime with the print screen thing
[18:23] <Kilos> you see no pic
[18:24] <inetpro> ai tog! You disable all images?
[18:24] <chesedo> Kilos: between the "search twitter" and blue writting feather...
[18:24] <chesedo> doesn't opera still have its turbo mode?
[18:25] <inetpro> Kilos: you see that little blank block to the left of the blue block with a feather [top right]?
[18:25] <Kilos> oh that white empty block
[18:25] <inetpro> what happens when you click on that blank block?
[18:26] <Langjan> Hi guys, back again Kilos
[18:26] <Kilos> i will try put a pic there
[18:26] <Kilos> wb Langjan what did you forget
[18:26] <Langjan> who uses php list?
[18:28] <Kilos> i have no idea what that is
[18:28] <Langjan> https://www.phplist.com/
[18:31] <Kilos> stupid tweet place cant take my pic it seams
[18:32] <Kilos> Langjan where you found that
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: you have a profile pic already
[18:33] <Kilos> oh
[18:33] <inetpro> you just need to to enable images on the browser
[18:33] <Kilos> ok then just my opera set to not show pic s
[18:34] <Kilos> then i see everyones images and my data flys hey?
[18:34] <Kilos> ai!
[18:35] <inetpro> then use the mobile version of twitter
[18:35] <inetpro> mobile.twitter.com
[18:36] <Langjan> Kilos, its the app on my website that I use to send newsletters
[18:36] <Kilos> ok i logged out now and in future will login and out of account of choice
[18:36] <Kilos> oh Langjan
[18:36] <inetpro> mooi!
[18:36] <Kilos> why do you ask if anyone uses it
[18:38] <Kilos> but inetpro the tweet place was your job wasnt it
[18:38] <Langjan> I need to export my mailing list but the system only allows export until 2013, many of my subscribers have been around for much longer than that
[18:38] <Kilos> eish
[18:40] <Kilos> Langjan isnt there a contact us button on that website
[18:40] <Kilos> those guys would know better
[18:41] <Kilos> unless you just asked here to add to my consternation
[18:42] <jerit> how long have I been gone?
[18:42] <Kilos> 20:16] <-- jerit<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left this server (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
[18:43] <Kilos> peer got you
[18:43] <jerit> happens a lot with mIRC :/
[18:43] <Kilos> oh we use proper clients
[18:43] <Langjan> They gave me some info then suggested I get paid support
[18:43] <Kilos> free ones that work
[18:44] <Kilos> jan can you browse your site and see all your mails
[18:44] <jerit> Kilos like xchat? Please don't say xchat
[18:44] <Langjan> yes
[18:44] <Kilos> hexchat konversation quassel etc
[18:45] <Kilos> then just download all your mails Langjan
[18:45] <Kilos> or copy or something
[18:45] <Langjan> not the mails, the addresses
[18:45] <Kilos> ja that too
[18:45] <Langjan> I need to export them in a format to import again
[18:45] <inetpro> Langjan: paying to use a mailing list? Bad Idea!
[18:46] <Langjan> No inetpro I have my own opt-in mailing list
[18:48] <inetpro> Langjan: then please explain some more because I don't get it
[18:49] <Langjan> Ok I have an outdated version of php list in my website where all my subscribers have registered to receive my newsletters
[18:50] <inetpro> an outdated version you paid for?
[18:50] <Langjan> Now I want to use php list via the web, its much cheaper than to get somebody to update the one on my site
[18:50] <Langjan> Well the guy who designed my site put it on there as part of the package
[18:50] <Kilos> eish
[18:50] <Kilos> what does he say
[18:51] <Langjan> he has not updated it for ages
[18:51] <Langjan> hes not an easy guy to get on with
[18:51] <Kilos> did you pay him as well?
[18:51] <Kilos> eish
[18:51] <Langjan> yes, but not much - you know the story, pay peanuts...
[18:52] <Kilos> walk softly and carry a big stick
[18:52] <Langjan> ?
[18:53] <Kilos> if he is stroppy use the big stick till he says yessir whatever you say sir
[18:53]  * chesedo has found the opposite to be true in the IT world
[18:53] <Langjan> he has many issues
[18:54] <chesedo> Langjan: does address are probably on the database... do you have cPanel access for the site?
[18:54] <Langjan> yes I believe I do
[18:56] <Langjan> yes chesedo I can login as admin
[18:56] <chesedo> try to login to cPanel and then find phpMyAdmin, from there look for a database that you think may have the addresses...
[18:56] <Langjan> ok let me have a look thks
[19:00] <chesedo> night all
[19:00] <Kilos> nigtht chesedo
[19:00] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:14] <Langjan> Kilos, I'm going to try some more tomorrow, jy moet lekker slaap.
[19:14] <Kilos> jy oook dankie Langjan
[19:15] <Kilos> wait
[19:15] <Kilos> if you struggle
[19:15] <Kilos> maybe chesedo can sort some thing for you
[19:15] <Kilos> he is good with sites
[19:15] <Langjan> I battle to find my way around the backend of the website
[19:16] <Kilos> he is good at that
[19:16] <Langjan> will ask him when I see him again
[19:16] <Kilos> ok
[19:16] <Kilos> you like me
[19:16] <Langjan> yes I do
[19:16] <Kilos> we talk and others do the work
[19:16] <Kilos> only you pay
[19:17] <Kilos> if i had to pay id be playing games on win 98
[19:18] <Langjan> ok Kilos many thks, will chat later, falling asleep - been up since 04:30
[19:19] <Kilos> sleep well sir
[19:19] <Langjan> you too thks Kilos
[19:24] <jerit> guys this is terrifying
[19:25] <Kilos> what
[19:25] <jerit> I've just found a list of suppliers to the West Rand municipality in an excel spreadsheet that I found by googling my own email address
[19:25] <ra1v3n> Hello
[19:25] <jerit> my email address isn't in this list by I now have possession of the personal information of at least 2000 people because that municipality couldn't secure the data correctly... wtf
[19:26] <Kilos> eish
[19:29] <ra1v3n> Amazing how much information you can glean from google
[19:30] <ra1v3n> and it has powerful commands that most people are completely unaware of
[19:31] <ra1v3n> for instance it recognizes file-types
[19:31] <ra1v3n> filetype:<file-type extension> <search criteria>
[19:33] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:35] <jerit> This site can’t be reached  quassel-irc.org took too long to respond. Search Google for quassel irc org ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT
[19:40] <ra1v3n> huh?
[19:44] <jerit> trying to download quassel irc client but its not working :(
[19:45] <jerit> trying to download quassel irc client but its not working :(
[19:48] <ra1v3n> ok
[19:49] <superfly> jerit: the server is down for maintenance
[19:50] <jerit> can anyone send me a copy? :P
[19:50] <superfly> jerit: for windows?
[19:51] <jerit> yes please
[19:51] <superfly> jerit: the monolithic client, I presume? (the full IRC client)
[19:51] <jerit> I guess lol as long as I can connect to IRC and chat with people I'm happy
[19:52] <Sicelo>  /kickban jerit for using windows
[19:52] <Sicelo> ]:p
[19:52] <jerit> :O
[19:53] <ra1v3n> lol
[19:53] <jerit> TIL I can probably make up a mailing list entirely on google by doing a search for any local email provider
[19:53] <superfly> jerit: all the links I can find point back to the web site
[19:53] <jerit> haha
[19:53] <jerit> guess I'll try tomorrow then
[19:54] <Sicelo> web.archive.org maybe has a copy?
[19:54] <jerit> since my mIRC isn't connecting anymore anyway, I suppose I'll just keep using freenode's webchat
[19:54] <jerit> ima look
[19:58] <theblazehen> I feel people that hate systemd haven't used android before
[19:58] <Sicelo> meaning, android is worse?
[19:58] <theblazehen> Sicelo: Yes... :(
[19:59] <theblazehen> https://linx.home.theblazehen.com/qkh3guwc.ext
[19:59] <Sicelo> lol .. actually, those people *know* android sucks
[19:59] <theblazehen> Also, trying to disable selinux just makes it not load white list, so gives you a boot loop. That was a fun problem...
[19:59] <ra1v3n> Android could be so much better
[19:59] <Sicelo> but they don't really have much choice as the alternatives suck more (win phone, ios)
[20:00] <theblazehen> yeah
[20:00] <ra1v3n> Its like linux but with all the tools taken away
[20:00] <theblazehen> Exactly
[20:00] <ra1v3n> somewhat like a bird with one wing
[20:01] <jerit> uuuuuuhhhhhh Your search - quassel site:web.archive.org - did not match any documents.
[20:01] <ra1v3n> Its flies along in ever diminishing circles till it flies up its own *
[20:03] <jerit-> ah all of a sudden it works again
[20:03] <jerit-> anyway, ima go play wow
[20:03] <jerit-> cyaz everybody
[20:03] <Sicelo> at debconf, there was not a single win phone, haha .. (or maybe the owner confined it to his pocket, haha). there were iphones here & there, but the overwhelming majority were the droids
[20:05] <ra1v3n> yes well it is the best mobile OS
[20:05] <ra1v3n> I use CYanogen Mod
[20:05] <ra1v3n> that atleast gives me a terminal
[20:06] <ra1v3n> and no annoying adds
[20:06] <ra1v3n> I hate adverts
[20:06] <ra1v3n> especially targeted marketing based upon previous searches
[20:08] <theblazehen> https://linx.home.theblazehen.com/dpmuhsbj.txt yay
[20:08] <theblazehen> I want to use sailfish os
[20:08] <Sicelo> now that's a good OS ;)
[20:22] <MaNI> there was bad news this week about Cyanogen
[20:23] <MaNI> https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/07/23/0021223/cyanogen-inc-reportedly-fires-os-development-arm-switches-to-apps
[20:27] <ra1v3n> aw
[20:28] <ra1v3n> thats nod Cyanogen MOD thats for Cyanogen OS
[20:28] <ra1v3n> they are seperate projects by the same company
[20:29] <Sicelo> ra1v3n: tried replicant?
[20:29] <ra1v3n> not yet could not flash it to my rom for some or other reason
[20:30] <Sicelo> it's backed by the FSF, so should be the most libre android around, at least in theory, :)
[20:30] <MaNI> yeah, but there is likely a lot of cross development between the two, so it likely has negative impact for Cyanogen MOD as well
[20:31] <MaNI> hopefully not, but we will see
[20:32] <ra1v3n> MOD is more of an enthusiast hacker project and CyanogenOS is inn closed dev intended for sale
[20:32] <ra1v3n> atlest thats how I understand the it
[20:44] <superfly> Sicelo: actually, I think I did spot once Windows phone, but I can't remember who... too many people in Front Desk -_-
[20:45] <tumbleweed> DLange
[20:50] <Sicelo> oh :p
[21:31] <pavlushka> see ya guys! Good night :)
[21:35] <ra1v3n> goodnight
[22:43] <ra1v3n> goodnight


[03:50] <nathanp> hmmmm, anyone here?
[03:51] <nathanp> i'm looking for installation help... i cannot get the X installation method to work and i need to work around
[05:51] <dantolini> hi. anybody present?


[01:34] <xayonx> Hello
[02:05] <TwitchTEK> Howdy!  Anybody awake?
[02:05] <prompt32> hi !
[02:06] <TwitchTEK> howdy!
[02:06] <TwitchTEK> I was wondering if anyone has come cross some of the same problems I have been as of late.
[02:10] <TwitchTEK> no one else having any trouble with UbStudio huh?  good to know.
[02:11] <prompt32> problems like ?
[02:11] <prompt32> ...
[04:20] <glwdjstudio> hello all
[04:22] <glwdjstudio> wondering if anyone got firefox (flash) going with jack?
[07:42] <SunStar> how do i get studio bootable after installing windows?  cant do boot repair, no inet connection (installed b43-fwcutter and linux-firmware-nonfree_1.11_all) tried update-grub and got "failed to get cononical path of /cow"  tried grub-install and got " Path /boot/grub is not readable by grub on boot. installation is not possible"
[12:07] <Guest59338> hi everyone ! is someone having trouble with all the reverbs on a "vanilla" ubuntu studio 13.04 ? it seems the buffer used is extralarge, it sounds like cheap delais more than reverbs :/
[12:30] <Guest59338> nobody :( ?
[12:58] <DanielD> hi !
[13:01] <DanielD> is someone had a problem with the quality of the reverbs on US13.04 ? Any plug-in reverb ?
[13:21] <Elfor> How to make 24 pictures (jpg/png) per second with the motion (program for cams)?
[13:22] <cfhowlett> Elfor, openshot can convert stills to video.
[13:22] <cfhowlett> Elfor, as can ffmepg
[13:22] <cfhowlett> ffmpeg
[13:23] <Elfor> I need just make few photos from the cam
[13:23] <Elfor> ~24 in sec
[17:00] <sushant> hey which linux is best for audio production
[17:00] <sushant> ?
[17:00] <holstein> sushant: ?
[17:01] <holstein> "best" is a matter of opinion and use case
[17:01] <holstein> try ubuntustudio live
[17:01] <sushant> what abt av linux
[17:01] <holstein> TBH, most of the applications are the same, in all the repos
[17:01] <holstein> sushant: try AVLinux live as well
[17:01] <holstein> sushant: avlinux is older, that might be a factor
[17:01] <sushant> im currently using ubuntu studio
[17:01] <holstein> and, its more of an "appliance" that you dont upgrade
[17:01] <holstein> ubuntustudio is currently developed
[17:02] <holstein> AVlinux is not going to be developed anymore
[17:02] <sushant> ok
[17:02] <holstein> sushant: you can get literally a "pro" opinion about *any* OS
[17:02] <holstein> or a "con"
[17:02] <holstein> the software is the same.. JACK, ardour.. all the tools
[17:03] <holstein> i say, whatever OS you are more comfortable with is going to be "best"
[17:03] <sushant> ok
[17:03] <sushant> i just switched to linux
[17:04] <holstein> so, you are used to a different operating system, or no operating system, which is pose its own "issues"
[17:04] <sushant> yes i am actually a windows user
[17:04] <sushant> but linux somehow got my attension
[17:04] <sushant> so thought would give a try
[17:05] <holstein> i switched a few years back on my production rig.. from XP/cubase to linux/JACK/ardour
[17:06] <sushant> so which did you find more comfortable
[17:06] <sushant> or suitable
[17:06] <sushant> ?
[17:06] <holstein> sushant: as i said, the software is all the same
[17:07] <holstein> sushant: i learn the tools, and use them on whatever
[17:07] <holstein> i am more comfortable with a debian/ubuntu base, so i prefer ubuntustudio
[19:48] <thenasa> those anyone  know how to install vm here
[20:34] <cc_INC> vm?
[20:34] <cc_INC> Virtual Machine?
[21:11] <katty_> hi everyone
[21:21] <katty_> olá eu sou portuguesa, Boa noite a todos
[21:21] <Unit193> !pt
[21:26] <Unit193> !pm
[21:27] <Unit193> Howdy, katty_.  Just ask whatever question you have here and you should get an answer in time (This is the English channel, yes.)
[21:29] <katty_> thank you for the information
[21:38] <katty_> I am Portuguese and i would like to introduce myself because It's the first time I enter in the irc ubuntu studio channel so if I can help with anything can I ask questions? I would like to help and practice programming from now on, I am on a beginning level.
[21:40] <OvenWerks> You can always ask questions. just be aware it may take some time to get answered.
[21:40] <katty_> ok
[21:41] <OvenWerks> Manyu times we are hooked up to IRC but not right at the computer... maybe even sleeping.
[21:41] <OvenWerks> But it means when we next look, we haven't missed anything and can look at the back scroll.
[21:42] <OvenWerks> What kind of work would you like to do?
[21:46] <katty_> any work you may need about software, web or search
[21:48] <OvenWerks> Hmm, hard for me to answer that one. I have been rather focused on my own little corner :)  Mostly menus and the last few days an installer script.
[21:49] <OvenWerks> There are some blue prints though, if there is something there that looks interesting, just pick one and work on it.
[21:49] <OvenWerks> zequence is the lead here so anything goes through him at some point.
[21:51] <katty_> zequence is about what kind of art?
[21:51] <katty_> music? video?
[21:51] <OvenWerks> zequence: is a person
[21:51] <katty_> ...
[21:51] <katty_> oh
[21:52] <OvenWerks> Sorry, I guess that is not clear. :)
[21:52] <katty_> sorry
[21:52] <OvenWerks> blue prints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/topic-flavor-ubuntustudio
[21:52] <katty_> what a mistake
[21:52] <OvenWerks> each oval at the bottom leads to another page.
[21:53] <katty_> ok
[21:54] <OvenWerks> Another page about developing in ubuntustudio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio
[21:54] <OvenWerks> Is there one type of artistic workflow you enjoy doing? (music graphics, photography, etc.)
[22:08] <katty_> I usually compose songs and I work on design and publications
[22:08] <katty_> but I am quite new in linux
[22:09] <OvenWerks> One of the areas we are looking for is someone who can refine our publishing workflow.
[22:10] <katty_> but what is the name of the project?
[22:10] <OvenWerks> Though of course any contribution is helpful. There are not really very many of us and all are volunteering.
[22:10] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio.
[22:11] <OvenWerks> We have a menu set aside for the various areas that we support.
[22:12] <OvenWerks> There is Audio production (which so far has had most of our support because most of us do music)
[22:12] <katty_> (about the blueprint page I downloaded the framework and I will start learning, and using it to understand the dependency tree)
[22:12] <OvenWerks> there is Graphic Design, Video Production
[22:13] <OvenWerks> Photogrphy and Publishing
[22:14] <BLK> hello?
[22:14] <OvenWerks> Aye?
[22:14] <BLK> Oh hi! there's lots of people here
[22:14] <katty_> hi
[22:15] <OvenWerks> Not really... just looks that way ... I would say almost half are sleeping right now :)
[22:15] <BLK> Hi Katty
[22:15] <BLK> aww man :(
[22:15] <BLK> Is anyone here an artist on Ubuntu Studio?
[22:15] <OvenWerks> Scattered around the globe
[22:15] <BLK> visual, not audio
[22:15] <OvenWerks> There are a few, but none are here right now.
[22:15] <BLK> Aww man
[22:16] <katty_> about publishing what link can I enter to help?
[22:16] <BLK> I had some questions to ask T.T
[22:16] <BLK> that I can't find on the forums (which are still down) and it's annoying
[22:16] <BLK> no it's not about publishing, it's about setting up a G-Tablet
[22:16] <OvenWerks> You can ask anyway... who knows I might even know
[22:17] <BLK> Do you know about setting up a Graphics Tablet?
[22:17] <OvenWerks> What kind of setup?
[22:17] <BLK> Wacom Intuos 5 to be exact
[22:17] <BLK> ^^
[22:17] <BLK> I hear that they aren't officially supported but still work
[22:17] <katty_> I am an artist :) I) compose
[22:18] <OvenWerks> No, I don't ... It should show up. Similar to a touch pad.
[22:18] <BLK> Katty That's great, is Ubuntu Studio replacing your old rig?
[22:18] <BLK> and According to the forums, it's buggy with the interface
[22:18] <BLK> also there's no GUI yet
[22:19] <BLK> We need an ubuntu artist forum
[22:19] <BLK> not just the deviant art page
[22:21] <katty_> BLK yes, I don't know what is rig but i suppose it's a distro or OS
[22:22] <BLK> A rig is, like... your setup
[22:22] <BLK> like maybe lower specs and a different Operating System
[22:22] <BLK> Im implying that you were on a different OS befor
[22:22] <BLK> before*
[22:22] <katty_> yes
[22:22] <OvenWerks> katty_: not much I can find about publishing, the list of SW we include to support it is at: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy/view/head:/publishing
[22:24] <katty_> I used windows for several year, vista and 7
[22:24] <OvenWerks> scribus is the major SW there unless you are doing music typesetting then musescore.
[22:24] <BLK> OvenWerks are you a developer?
[22:24] <OvenWerks> Sort of.
[22:24] <OvenWerks> I help around here
[22:25] <BLK> I want to help as well D:
[22:25] <BLK> I know what I'll do... I've got an idea
[22:25] <katty_> but then i started to use ubuntu 12.04
[22:25] <OvenWerks> To call us developers is not quite right. we don't really code for example. mostly we take packages and put together a distro.
[22:25] <katty_> because I had some problems with my machine
[22:26] <BLK> by the way... I'm a Digital artist, Traditional artist, Graphic Designer, and Web Designer/developer. which is what I use Ubuntu for
[22:26] <katty_> and then I started to use Ubuntu studio because I love arts
[22:26] <BLK> katty same thing for me
[22:26] <BLK> I just can't put down Ubuntu now
[22:26] <OvenWerks> My last OS before Linux was OS/2 2.1 :)
[22:26] <katty_> Like me
[22:26] <BLK> also it has the BEST Digital art software
[22:26] <katty_> I love this operating system
[22:26] <BLK> Krita is just... ubelievable
[22:26] <BLK> it replaces Photoshop, its better than Manga Studio and Corel Draw
[22:27] <katty_> :)
[22:27] <BLK> it's just a ridiculous software, and it's free AND Opensource
[22:27] <BLK> This is one thing I love about OpenSource... when projects like Krita beat out there "for-profit" counterparts
[22:27] <BLK> GIMP is on it's way to beating out PhotoShop as well.
[22:27] <katty_> I will try krita
[22:28] <BLK> and Inkscape is arguably better than Illustrator, ('cept when it comes to typesetting T.T)
[22:28] <BLK> yeah Kat's you should, you definitely should
[22:28] <BLK> anyways... OverWerks
[22:28] <OvenWerks> Yup?
[22:29] <BLK> so is there anything that needs to be done? for UbuntuStudio that is?
[22:29] <BLK> I wanna help
[22:29] <OvenWerks> Lots :)
[22:29] <holstein> !contribute
[22:29] <BLK> I wanna Help!!!
[22:29] <OvenWerks>  I am not the best person to ask is all.
[22:29] <BLK> Thanks Ubottu
[22:29] <BLK> okay :D
[22:30] <holstein> !bot
[22:30] <BLK> I can do a bunch of stuff for you guys... and my friend is a C and C++ coder... he wants to help Ubuntu as well, Studio might be a good place to start for him
[22:32] <holstein> BLK: did you see the link i gave?
[22:32] <BLK> Holstein, I just saw the one from the Bot
[22:32] <OvenWerks> There are a number of projects that are not specific to ubuntustudio, that are not being maintained and so we are loosing them as the libs are changing.
[22:32] <OvenWerks> Thats the one he means.
[22:32] <BLK> oh yeah, I saw those
[22:33] <katty_> oh thank you ubottu
[22:33] <holstein> so, from the link i gave, you /j #ubuntustudio
[22:33] <holstein> also, there are linkes to the dev mailing list
[22:34] <holstein>  /j#ubuntustudio-devel
[22:34] <BLK> yeah I already signed up to the mailing list
[22:34] <BLK> Is it cool if I make the website for the mailing list better?
[22:34] <BLK> a bit stylized?
[22:34] <BLK> sorry... I'm a designer so... Aesthetics are the first thing I notice hahhahahaha
[22:35] <holstein> BLK: i dont think we have access to that
[22:35] <BLK> aww darn... should one of the developers do it?
[22:36] <BLK> I mean I can just write the code and e-mail it
[22:36] <BLK> I don't have to upload it lol
[22:36] <holstein> BLK: its a list serv
[22:36] <holstein> BLK: we dont have access to it
[22:37] <holstein> BLK: you are free to go up as far as you want, and try and do whatever
[22:37] <BLK> Ahh I see
[22:37] <holstein> BLK: we dont have the resources to look into that for you/us
[22:37] <BLK> Yeah I 'll find a way
[22:37] <holstein> BLK: i wouldnt know where to start, and it looks like every other listserv i have seen, so im not sure its possible
[22:37] <holstein> and its not on my radar
[22:37] <holstein> what can you do? iso testing is *always* appreciated
[22:38] <holstein> and well documented
[22:38] <BLK> test the installation? Yeah I can do that on my spare machine
[22:38] <BLK> The specs are enough to run it at full capacity.
[22:39] <BLK> So yeah, sign me up for iso testing lol
[22:40] <holstein> BLK: no
[22:40] <holstein> BLK: let me get the links for you
[22:40] <BLK> okay
[22:41] <holstein> BLK: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[22:41] <katty_> BLK if we could have permissions to make the mailing list website can I join you to make it?
[22:41] <holstein> there are tests, that are defined, that *must* get dont
[22:41] <holstein> done*
[22:42] <BLK> @Katty: of course, it'll make things easier, I could design most of the pages for the Ubuntu Studio stuff
[22:42] <BLK> Thanks Holstein, give me a second to read through
[22:43] <holstein> BLK: when milestone releases happen, we *must* test them, for them to be released
[22:43] <holstein> if they are not tested, we dont get a release
[22:43] <holstein> that is *key*.. and quite helpful
[22:43] <BLK> ahhh I see
[22:44] <katty_> I could make some other pages we could divide tasks and pages
[22:44] <OvenWerks> Also there are always thing you might see that no one else does
[22:44] <holstein> katty_: im quite certain we dont have access to that page
[22:44] <katty_> ok
[22:44] <holstein> katty_: you should go upstream and ask before you potentially waste any efforts on it
[22:44] <holstein> i dont think its an option server-side to change the aesthetic
[22:45] <holstein> not sure
[22:45] <katty_> ok
[22:46] <katty_> I didn't know it
[22:46] <BLK> Well it's fine, I'll do what I can
[22:46] <BLK> in anyway I can
[22:46] <holstein> cool
[22:47] <holstein> try joining the dev channel
[22:47] <OvenWerks> BLK: the big thing around here is patience. Things don't happen quick
[22:47] <holstein>  /join #ubuntustudio-devel
[22:47] <katty_> I will work with blueprint and then I can help on something
[22:47] <BLK> but for now, it's late so I'll be seeing you guys. Nice meeting everyone. I hope I can find some digital artists tommorrow to ask about the G-Tablet situation.
[22:47] <BLK> Yeah Holstein, I'll join!
[22:48] <BLK> OvenWerks: yeah, that's a shame... I want to get rid of the whole "Linux is only for programmers" stereotype
[22:48] <BLK> I would like to see Ubuntu become just as acceptable a proffesional standard as Windows or Mac
[22:48] <OvenWerks> Over 90% of the people who use linux don't program even now.
[22:49] <BLK> yeah, most just hop on cause it's free and they wanted an upgrade
[22:49] <OvenWerks> Or its on their phone or tablet or whatever.
[22:50] <BLK> Most people don't have Ubuntu Touch yet though
[22:50] <BLK> oh you mean Linux being Android? yeah that too
[22:50] <OvenWerks> That and a lot of telephone switches use linux.
[22:51] <BLK> Ticks me off though that there's so little conveniance between Android and Linux distros T.T
[22:51] <OvenWerks> almost all the wireless routers are linux.
[22:51] <BLK> ^
[22:51] <holstein> the channel name is #ubuntustudio-devel
[22:52] <BLK> Okay Holstein, I'll check the page out tommorrrow
[22:52] <BLK> good night guys
[22:52] <holstein> BLK: its not apage
[22:52] <holstein> thats the dev channel
[22:52] <BLK> yeah, it's the chat for freenode right?
[22:52] <BLK> or IRC or w/e this is called
[22:52] <holstein> BLK: sure
[22:53] <BLK> cool
[22:53] <BLK> see you guys.
[22:53] <OvenWerks> holstein: ^^^ "page closed" :)
[22:54] <holstein> hehe
[22:55] <katty_> blk I agree with you
[22:56] <OvenWerks> katty_: BLK is already gone.
[22:56] <katty_> yes, I haven't noticed thank you
[22:58] <katty_> He was talking about the his will of linux becoming efficent as mac x or windows and that is my will too
[23:01] <OvenWerks> It's all in the eyes of whoever is doing the work. I have never had Windows on any of my machines or any Apple HW/SW so I can't really compare
[23:01] <OvenWerks> My wife had both Win and linux on her box, but ended up never using windows.
[23:02] <OvenWerks> She is not a programer at all.
[23:02] <holstein> my mom started on linux
[23:02] <holstein> she's not a programmer
[23:04] <katty_> I am just a programmer in a begging level and I think that linux is a good OS, and fast
[23:04] <katty_> it's good for all the kind of users
[23:05] <katty_> *begining
[23:06] <katty_> but I will work on blueprints thank you ovenwerks
[23:06] <OvenWerks> no prob.
[23:06] <katty_> :)
[23:07] <katty_> I will go to sleep to
[23:07] <katty_> too
[23:07] <OvenWerks> OK, good night then.
[23:07] <katty_> for you too
[23:07] <katty_> what is it right there?
[23:08] <OvenWerks> 4pm.
[23:08] <OvenWerks> Almost time to get supper for my kids
[23:09] <katty_> ok so good evening
[23:09] <katty_> bye *
[23:09] <OvenWerks> 0/
[23:09] <katty_> thank you for the help


[03:55] <andjjj23> blahdeblah: chiluk: in debian/rules.d/hooks.mk, change:
[03:55] <andjjj23> export gcc?=gcc-12
[03:55] <andjjj23> to:
[03:55] <andjjj23> export gcc?=gcc-11
[03:56] <andjjj23> i also had to turn off the config checks in debian/rules.d/4-checks.mk
[03:56] <andjjj23> i commented out the entire if/else starting with 'if [ -e $(commonconfdir)/config.common.ubuntu ]'
[03:57] <andjjj23> start on line 32
[03:57] <andjjj23> starts*
[04:22] <blahdeblah> Nice - thanks
[07:24] <juergh> This will not yet produce correct build-depends I believe.
[07:25] <juergh> Sigh, yes mainline builds are broken. We know, we're working on it.


[21:58] <rharper> bug 1679817
[22:19] <smoser> blackboxsw, https://gist.github.com/smoser/8904199bb8f00a90dd04
[22:28] <smoser> powersj, https://git.launchpad.net/cloud-init
[22:55] <tmbcsd> I'm having trouble finding documentation on how to reference meta-data variables in cloud-config scripts, or if that is definitively possible.  For example, refence the internal ip of the new instance from AWS meta-data.
[23:00] <smoser> tmbcsd, its not really possible. it is a feature that would be good to have.
[23:00] <smoser> on ec2... the easiest thing would probably be to
[23:00] <smoser> ip=$(ec2metadata --local-ip)
[23:12] <tmbcsd> @smoser thanks.  is that bash only, or will it work for #cloud-config scripts too?
[23:17] <tmbcsd> i was curious about this as well, related to the metadata variable question: http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources.html
[23:21] <smoser> tmbcsd, that is shell only.
[23:31] <tmbcsd> hmm, cool I think i'll just write_files to some heredoc scripts then runcmd them
[23:31] <tmbcsd> thanks again
[23:37] <smoser> blackboxsw, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24788492/
[23:37] <smoser> thoughts ?