[00:00] <Cimi> s/for/to/
[00:13] <Cimi_hates_git> kwwii, would you like the same feature for the scrollbar?
[00:14] <Cimi_hates_git> but there's an issue behind, I will break the old themes (they will work, but the scrollbars will be colored with bg[ACTIVE] which is usually too dark, so the themes should adjust that value)
[00:25] <kwwii> Cimi_hates_git: kinda late here, ask me that tomorrow :)
[00:25] <kwwii> before I say something stupid
[00:25] <kwwii> going to sleep now
[00:25] <kwwii> finally
[00:26] <Cimi_hates_git> ehe, studying here
[01:33] <mrmcq2u> Hi
[01:34] <mrmcq2u> is their going to be any more artwork making it into karmic before release?
[01:55] <mrmcq2u> anyone awake tonight?
[03:28] <dashua> Cimi_hates_git, Can I get gradients on the trough or just a sold color on bg[ACTIVE] ?
[03:28] <dashua> bg[ACTIVE] is cool
[03:39] <Cimi_hates_git> dashua, just solid color atm
[03:40] <Cimi_hates_git> maybe I will add a gradient styling option for the scrollbar's trough, but I would like a mockup that works with different styles...
[03:40] <dashua> Ah ok
[03:40] <Cimi_hates_git> bg[ACTIVE] is the right color, gtk+ uses it, but iirc neither murrine nor clearlooks are using it
[03:41] <dashua> Can you steal the code back from nodoka that was forked from your code? =/
[03:42] <Cimi_hates_git> of course, but the problem is not how to code :)
[03:42] <dashua> Still doesn't look right in nodoka, off set or something, but there are gradients
[03:42] <Cimi_hates_git> the problem is *which looks better*
[03:42] <dashua> Nodoka's MODERN look has some good options but they all don't look correct
[03:43] <dashua> I'm testing out the bg[ACTIVE] for progressbar and scale and it looks good
[03:44] <Cimi_hates_git> I will also add a styling option for the border and the shadow, to emulate aurora and nodoka
[03:44] <Cimi_hates_git> of course it's meant to works with every style
[03:44] <dashua> Nice
[03:44] <Cimi_hates_git> *to work
[03:45] <Cimi_hates_git> but that will happen in october :)
[03:45] <dashua> Nice to see a revision pushed, it's been some time :)
[03:45] <Cimi_hates_git> going to bed now, I've studyed 10 continuos hours :)
[03:45] <dashua> Nite man
[03:46] <Cimi_hates_git> thanks (i don't know your timezone, here is 4:45 am)
[09:36] <mac_v> kwwii: i'v got an idea... for the empathy status' , making one now , will show it in a bit :)
[09:51] <kwwii> mac_v: http://sinecera.de/latest.png
[09:52] <mac_v> kwwii: i was thinking more in the likes of > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/98/The_Office_US_title.jpg
[09:52] <mac_v> the one on the right
[09:53] <mac_v> ;D
[10:04] <kwwii> ahh, good idea but it is only 16x16px
[10:10] <mac_v> hehe , i'm trying to make one ;) , lets see if it possible
[11:01] <SiDi> kwwii: do you know anything yet about xsplash theming ?
[11:01] <SiDi> Is there a documentation or beginning of documentation about it ?
[11:22] <mac_v> kwwii: http://imagebin.ca/view/WcNxIpr.html
[11:22] <mac_v> how does that look ?
[11:23] <mac_v> i thought of adding a briefcase, But didnt trun good :(
[11:23] <SiDi> mac_v: the arm looks strange, can't see the angle of the elbow
[11:23] <SiDi> and the person is a bit fat ^^
[11:24] <mac_v> no elbows :)  didnt add them
[11:24] <SiDi> but if the arm is straight then it looks a little too "short" compared to the body
[11:25] <mac_v> SiDi: yeah , that needs some work still its just a WIP ;)
[11:25] <SiDi> aside from that it looks cool
[11:29] <mac_v> kwwii: for available > http://imagebin.ca/view/hWBBk1.html
[11:31] <mac_v> kwwii: how did you put all your icons in one plate? like this > http://sinecera.de/latest.png   ?
[11:46] <mac_v> oh great! kernel panic and lost that icon!
[11:47] <knome> LOL
[11:48] <mac_v> hehe... luckily i had exported the icon , so now i'm gonna trace it \o/
[11:49] <mac_v> knome: similarly i lost the software store icon last week!
[11:49]  * mac_v switching off all the boot testing ppa's!
[11:50] <knome> haha, a good decision
[12:11] <kwwii> mac_v: I am drawing them in inkscape, that is how I made them all on one page
[12:12] <mac_v> kwwii: i'm doing them in inkscape too... which option is that?
[12:12] <kwwii> mac_v: not an option, just spaced out on the page
[12:13] <mac_v> oh.. that , ok   :)
[15:34] <SiDi> kwwii: you have no idea how hilarious i think it is to not be able to put the wallpaper photos in the CD :D
[15:36] <kwwii> SiDi: why?
[15:36] <SiDi> Because tomboy takes 58MB on the CD
[15:36] <kwwii> hehe
[15:36] <SiDi> and since they were running out of room, i've heard they removed gimp's doc from the CD :)
[15:37] <mac_v> kwwii: http://imagebin.ca/view/IJ5JqzaT.html :)
[15:38] <kwwii> mac_v: hehe, you did it
[15:38] <mac_v> \o/
[15:38] <kwwii> mac_v: http://siencera.de/latest.png is where I got before I gave up
[15:38] <SiDi> Away looks like 'haha i run away from you' :D
[15:39] <SiDi> kwwii: 404, you really gave up early :P
[15:39] <kwwii> in the end, I am going with the bubbles with the identifiers on them, all in all it seems the best
[15:39] <kwwii> erm, sorry
[15:39] <mac_v> yeah 404
[15:39] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/latest.png
[15:40] <mac_v> yeah , human has the liberty of color :)
[15:51] <mac_v> oh ... i got disconnected...
[15:53] <mac_v> kwwii: did you happen to reply, about the labels ? i lost connection in between
[15:54] <kwwii> about the labels?
[15:54] <kwwii> 16:40 < mac_v> yeah , human has the liberty of color :)
[15:54] <kwwii> 16:47 -!- mac_v [n=mac_V@unaffiliated/macvre] has quit [Read error: 104  (Connection reset by peer)]
[15:54] <kwwii> is the last I have
[15:54] <mac_v> oh!
[15:55] <mac_v> kwwii: what is the icon label for these empathy status icons? i cant find them :(
[15:55] <kwwii> what do you mean by label? I don't understand
[15:56] <mac_v> hrm... ah..
[15:56] <kwwii> I named them as per the xdg spec (funny, that as this was the first part of the spec that I worked on since I became co-maintainer)
[15:56] <kwwii> and they are in the status/ dir
[15:56] <mac_v> oh
[15:56] <kwwii> user-available, -away, -busy, -invisible, and -offline
[15:57] <kwwii> they are in the human theme in my ppa
[15:57] <mac_v> in your ppa ,... hehe i was searching in human karmic :D
[15:58] <kwwii> they haven't made it that far yet :p
[15:59] <mac_v> i was actually searching for the present empathy icons , too , damn they are well hidden :(
[15:59] <SiDi> Does anyone know when mat_t will be back ?
[15:59] <kwwii> they are probably in the app itself I guess
[15:59] <kwwii> SiDi: yes, on Monday
[15:59] <SiDi> okies ty
[15:59] <SiDi> he's the one doing xsplash theming, if im not wrong ?
[16:00] <mac_v> ah ha... found them!
[16:00] <andreasn> mac_v, usr/share/empathy?
[16:01] <mac_v> grr... yeah
[16:01] <andreasn> grr?
[16:01] <mac_v> it uses its own labels!
[16:01] <mac_v> emapthy-available and so on :(
[16:01] <kwwii> yeah, stupid that
[16:01] <kwwii> pidgin is worse though
[16:02] <andreasn> file bugs?
[16:02] <andreasn> should be rather easy to fix
[16:02]  * mac_v pokes kwwii to fix the naming ;p
[16:02] <kwwii> andreasn: well, we just changed teh xdg spec so I imagine it will take a bit of time for that to make it's way down
[16:03] <andreasn> what does the xdg spec say now?
[16:03] <kwwii> actually, dobey still needs to add the rest of the names to the spec
[16:03] <andreasn> does it still conflict with the telepathy spec?
[16:03] <mac_v> lol... what is "extended away" ;)
[16:03] <kwwii> andreasn: no, empathy and the spec are inline (expect their use of the empathy- prefix instead of user-
[16:03] <andreasn> mac_v, something that a lot of people would go after you with tar and feathers if you ever suggested to remove it ;)
[16:04] <andreasn> kwwii, but what about telepathy? (not empathy)
[16:04] <kwwii> the official names are now: user-available, -offline, -away, -busy, -invisible, -idle
[16:04] <mac_v> ;)
[16:04] <andreasn> sounds sane
[16:04] <mac_v> \o/
[16:05] <kwwii> andreasn: iirc, telepathy is also already using the new names
[16:05] <kwwii> anything that is not should have a bug filed against it ;)
[16:05] <kwwii> kde goes all out and has *lots* of names
[16:06] <andreasn> I'll check with hbons if they can fix the pidgin names
[16:06] <kwwii> that would be cool
[16:10] <andreasn> called him now, we're looking into it
[16:10] <kwwii> cool, if there is any discussion as to the names and such, could you add it to the bug in launchpad?
[16:11] <andreasn> there is a bug in launchpad?
[16:16] <kwwii> andreasn: yes, we decided to have all the discussions on xdg naming as bugs on lp so we could follow things
[16:16] <kwwii> #396822 and #401186
[16:17] <kwwii> https://bugs.launchpad.net/icon-naming-spec/+bug/396822
[16:22] <zniavre> hello / bonjour
[16:24] <zniavre> im trying karmic (9.10) i saw the new icon folder in home directory , i first thought it was "emblems" but they are new icons from Human theme
[16:24] <zniavre> why Download folder does not work ?
[16:25] <zniavre> (im tryng to adjust my own icon theme but this folder still does not work with mine)
[16:26] <zniavre> http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2540/captureen.png
[16:29] <mac_v> zniavre: how have you labelled the icon?
[16:29] <mac_v>  "Download" or Downloads" ?
[16:29] <mrdoob> does empathy have IRC?
[16:30] <mac_v> mrdoob: yup , but it sucks ;p
[16:30] <mrdoob> :(
[16:30] <zniavre> mac_v,  i tried every thing download Download (s) Téléchargement (s) téléchargement (s)  (om a bit french)
[16:30] <mrdoob> well, I guess I can always install pidgin :)
[16:31] <zniavre> mac_v,  +1 for empathy   :o)
[16:31] <mac_v> mrdoob: try xchat
[16:31] <mrdoob> no no
[16:31] <mrdoob> I like to have everything in one program
[16:31] <mrdoob> pidgin does the job
[16:31] <mac_v> ;p
[16:31] <mac_v> mrdoob: then empathy is better than pidgin
[16:31] <zniavre> mrdoob, empathy too but in a strange way
[16:33] <mac_v> zniavre: hmm.. that weird , the downloads icon works for me
[16:33] <mrdoob> oh, better than pidgin? sounds like a deal, I haven't find the option on jaunty yet
[16:33] <mac_v> mrdoob: you need to install telepathy-idle
[16:33] <mac_v> for irc
[16:33] <SiDi> zniavre: echo $XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR
[16:34] <zniavre> mac_v,  http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3125/capture1hg.png
[16:36] <mac_v> zniavre: when did you install karmic?
[16:38] <zniavre> at least 10days (maybe more)
[16:39] <mac_v> hrm... :(
[16:39] <zniavre> SiDi,  it does nothing in terminal
[16:39] <mac_v> zniavre: what gtk theme are you using? the transparency is nice :) is it with emerald?
[16:40] <zniavre> my own gtk/metacity
[16:41] <zniavre> (and i did not patch karmic yet with rgba-module from gnome-look it was marvelous before)
[16:41] <zniavre> :o)
[16:42] <mac_v> zniavre: you have it on gnome-look? link?
[16:42] <zniavre> old one not updated since a century
[16:43] <zniavre> zni3 on gnome-look
[16:43] <zniavre> can i fill a bug report on launchpad for this "bug" ?
[16:46] <mac_v> yeah...  why not :)
[16:48] <zniavre> ok thank you very much
[16:48] <SiDi> zniavre: it should be set afaik
[16:50] <zniavre> what afaik is meaning ?
[16:51] <zniavre> sorry i hav to bring my daughter somewhere else see you tonight
[16:53] <SiDi> as far as i know == afaik
[16:53] <SiDi> as far as i can tell (afaict) - can see (afaics)
[16:59]  * kwwii heads out for the evening...have fun, bbl
[17:10] <SiDi> bb kwwii
[17:31] <kwwii> anyone have mrdoob'S email?
[17:32] <mac_v> kwwii: did you try the wiki? maybe wiki user-accounts?
[17:34] <kwwii> I did a text search on the wiki and only found the boot pages with his name on it
[17:34] <kwwii> ahhh....I know where to look
[17:36] <kwwii> boah, he has no email listed anywhere...crap
[17:43] <mac_v> kwwii: is it urgent ? :) , i think he'll be back tomorrow
[17:45] <mac_v> kwwii: or you could contact MadsRH , if its urgent , mrdoob has sent a mail to MadsRh
[17:45] <kwwii> I sent him a message through launchpad, thanks anyway though
[17:45] <mac_v> :)
[18:02] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[22:41] <MadsRH> Does anyone know who "MacUntu", "Plun" and "Darkshade" from the forum is? I'm hoping to catch one of them here on the IRC, but I don't know their IRC names.
[23:56] <zniavre_> good evening


[14:59] <bdrung> \o
[14:59] <juliank> o/
[14:59] <liushuyu> o/
[15:00] <mateus-morais> o/
[15:00] <ogayot> o/
[15:00] <ginggs> o/
[15:01] <schopin> o/
[15:01] <zhsj> o/
[15:02] <bdmurray> o/
[15:02] <waveform> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:02:51 UTC.  The chair is waveform.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[15:02] <waveform> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:03] <waveform> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-25-may-2023/35962
[15:03] <waveform> Let's give 5 minutes for people to read status updates
[15:05] <bdmurray> ginggs: "Poked some autopkgtests is very vague" and makes me wonder
[15:06] <bdmurray> with a misplaced "
[15:06] <juliank> Everything's vague :D
[15:06] <bdmurray> Not dbungert's report - everything is linkified
[15:06] <zhsj> schopin: i'm on +1 next week, shall i look git-annex 🙉
[15:07] <ginggs> bdmurray: would you like a list? :)
[15:07] <juliank> (off side meeting for a bit)
[15:07] <bdmurray> ginggs: Not if by poked you mean retried
[15:07] <schopin> zhsj: I'll probably circle back to it tomorrow.
[15:08]  * zhsj finger cross
[15:08] <schopin> zhsj: wait for my final report on ubuntu-devel@, I usually start with the items that need attention.
[15:08] <ginggs> bdmurray: i do
[15:08] <waveform> okay, moving on
[15:08] <waveform> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:09] <waveform> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:09] <waveform> first up, bug 2020474
[15:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2020474 in openssh (Ubuntu) "openssh-server-1:9.2p1-2ubuntu1 cannot be installed from active ssh session" [Medium, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2020474
[15:10] <waveform> already in progress, just needs mm-incoming tag removing
[15:10] <waveform> bug 2015538
[15:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2015538 in dbus-broker (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dbus-broker" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015538
[15:14] <waveform> okay, this'll be postponed for the next release -- we don't have capacity to take it on and neither do desktop so it'll be bumped for the nn series
[15:14] <juliank> :(
[15:14] <bdmurray> switching during an LTS?
[15:15] <waveform> certainly not ideal
[15:15] <waveform> but unless anyone in foundations wants to step up?...
[15:15] <sil2100> Well, we have no capacity! So if someone's willing, please go ahead and pick this up pretty please ;)
[15:18] <waveform> okay, system squad will take this offline and see if they can figure out some capacity; leaving the mm tag for next week to see if a conclusion is reached
[15:18] <waveform> bug 2019940
[15:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2019940 in vagrant (Ubuntu) "Directly manipulating NetworkManager keyfiles" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2019940
[15:20] <waveform> switching tag to foundations-todo but this looks like it's already in hand with sly_on
[15:21] <waveform> moving on to ll:
[15:21] <waveform> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:21] <waveform> just bug 2012698 here this week
[15:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2012698 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Plymouth is stuck on a plain black screen" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012698
[15:21] <waveform> and that's already in hand with the desktop team
[15:22] <waveform> let's have a look at jj...
[15:22] <waveform> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:22] <waveform> bug 2020658 ...
[15:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2020658 in golang-1.20 (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Backport Go 1.20 to Jammy" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2020658
[15:23] <zhsj> not sure what actions need here :/ the backport is simple
[15:24] <sil2100> I think samirkamerkar wanted to talk to zhsj about that
[15:24] <sil2100> Let's add foundations-todo
[15:24] <zhsj> let's move it to offline
[15:25] <waveform> okay, switched the tag -- we can sort out the assignment offline
[15:25] <waveform> bug 1971425
[15:25] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1971425 in util-linux (Ubuntu) "The 'look' cli dictionary only sees capitalized words" [Low, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1971425
[15:28] <bdmurray> It seems like the fix is to resort the dictionary?
[15:29] <adrien> that's what I've gathered from the report upstream too
[15:29] <adrien> that seems a bit surprising/brittle though
[15:29] <adrien> although look(1) is explicit about doing a binary search
[15:31] <waveform> okay, tagged todo as it seems like the upstream report includes some useful details on the fix
[15:32] <waveform> nothing in ff for foundations this week, \o/
[15:32] <waveform> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:32] <waveform> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:32] <waveform> over to ginggs
[15:32] <ginggs> only 3 this week \o/
[15:33] <ginggs> fwupd was with liushuyu, how's that going?
[15:33] <liushuyu> ginggs: it's a somwhat problematic regression, still investigating
[15:34] <ginggs> ok
[15:34] <ginggs> isc-dhcp blocked by network-manager, i believe this is fixed by danilogondolfo
[15:35] <ginggs> git blocked by dgit, i think dgit's tests just need updating for the new git, this should come from debian soon
[15:35] <ginggs> so i think we can skip that one
[15:36] <ginggs> that's it then
[15:36] <waveform> okay, should we look at merges?
[15:38] <ginggs> there are still a few that are unassigned
[15:38] <ogayot> I can pick one in the list
[15:40] <enr0n> I will take wireless-tools
[15:41] <adrien> I'm taking cdebconf
[15:44] <waveform> ogayot will have a look at dbus
[15:44] <ogayot> I'll give dbus a try and ask waveform if any problem comes up
[15:44] <waveform> okay, that's all for merges this week
[15:44] <waveform> #topic AOB
[15:44] <bdmurray> Monday is a US holiday
[15:44] <waveform> I'll be off most of next week dealing with half-term hols
[15:45] <schopin> Likewise in France
[15:45] <bdrung> Likewise in Germany
[15:45] <ogayot> I'll be off 3 days next week
[15:45] <waveform> (but I'll be around Monday because apparently the UK is the only country without a holiday ... bah!)
[15:46] <bdrung> then waveform has time for the sbuild merge :D
[15:46] <waveform> oh, no it is a bank holiday in the UK ... shows how much I notice these things!
[15:48] <waveform> okay, holidays sorted -- any other bids on time-off? Going once?
[15:48] <waveform> twice?
[15:48] <waveform> #endmeeting
[15:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:48:48 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-05-25-15.02.moin.txt
[15:50] <juliank> I will be cycling Tuesday most likely


[20:04] <stormmore> OK so I figured out what my routing problem was, need to setup another routing table, now I am not sure if this is something that juju or maas can manage? multi-vlan/nic with multi-gateways. If so, where do I configure the routing tables?