[00:28] <shakes808> How do I copy a file from one account to another account on the same computer?  I tried ->  http://tinyurl.com/gqtm7ep Here is the command I am doing -> http://pastebin.com/XBfpNZsm
[00:29] <shakes808> a text file gets put on user2's desktop
[00:47] <cmaloney> shakes808: First: If you're going to chain two sudo commands you'll want to do the following:
[00:47] <cmaloney> sudo -s
[00:47] <cmaloney> [enter password]
[00:48] <cmaloney> cp /path/to/source /path/to/dest && chown user2:user2 /path/to/dest
[00:48] <cmaloney> chaining two sudo commands with && won't work
[00:49] <jrwren> iirc there is a sudo flag which will pass the success of the subprocess through as success to sudo
[00:51] <jrwren> shakes808: what you did should work. What is in this test file on user2'd desktop?
[00:51] <jrwren> shakes808: make by the source file is also a text file. ;]
[01:01] <shakes808> cmaloney: tried it that way and still just puts an empty file on the desktop
[01:02] <cmaloney> Do you have enough disk space? :)
[01:02] <shakes808> jrwren: nothing is in the file, just want to rename it over there
[01:03] <shakes808> cmaloney: clean computer.  fresh install of ubuntu 16.04.01
[01:03] <shakes808> wiped the laptop of any traces of window
[01:03] <shakes808> windows*
[01:04] <cmaloney> try this:
[01:04] <cmaloney> rsync -avip /path/to/source /path/to/dest
[01:04] <cmaloney> and see what that does
[01:04] <cmaloney> (as sudo)
[01:06] <shakes808> put over an empty file that had a lock on it.
[01:07] <jrwren> i claim the source file is empty.
[01:07] <cmaloney> agreed
[01:07] <shakes808> http://pastebin.com/RvzNF1VV
[01:07] <cmaloney> or the file has a lock that needs releasing
[01:07] <jrwren> pastebin output of `ls -al $sourcefile` and `file $sourcefile`
[01:07] <cmaloney> ^^
[01:09] <shakes808> http://pastebin.com/gET5DTLx
[01:11] <jrwren> and there it is. that is an empty file.
[01:12] <shakes808> the source?
[01:12] <shakes808> I just had it opened
[01:12] <shakes808> let me try it again
[01:13] <jrwren> the ls command says 0 bytes. read the output.
[01:13] <shakes808> .... doing the same thing on the source one.
[01:13] <jrwren> the file command says it is empty
[01:13] <shakes808> jrwren: I see that.  But I had it opened after I downloaded it
[01:13] <shakes808> let me download it again
[01:19] <shakes808> alright, worked that time.  I don't know what happened.  I had the pdf opened and verifying that what I needed on this computer was there for my son :(  Redownloaded it and it transfered now
[01:20] <shakes808> what would cause a pdf to do that?
[01:21] <jrwren> i dunno... acrobat reader executes javascript embedded in PDF. mabye it was self destructive message.
[01:24] <shakes808> hmmm interesting
[01:29] <jrwren> i should have included a ;]
[01:30] <jrwren> i doubt that is what happened, but i suppose its possible.
[01:30] <jrwren> pro tip: don't use adobe reader.
[01:38] <shakes808> is that the same thing as Document Viewer?
[01:38] <cmaloney> No, the document viewer is "evince"
[01:39] <shakes808> didn't think so
[16:59] <greg-g> Today is Debian Day, 23 years old! We have 8 people on staff who are DDs. It feels good :)
[17:00] <rick_h_> greg-g: <3
[17:00] <jrwren> <3
[17:01] <jrwren> I love DDs. debian-devel is such a great email list to lurk on. usually, high signal to noise, and great way to learn by following.
[17:36] <cmaloney> <3 <3
[18:13] <cmaloney> DS9 was awesome
[18:13] <cmaloney> MOst of Benson made the jump to Trek.;)
[18:13] <cmaloney> feh
[18:14] <cmaloney> talk about mischan. ;)
[18:16] <greg-g> I was like "DD is kiiinda like DS9" ;)
[18:16] <jrwren> Benson? wtf?
[18:17] <cmaloney> heh
[18:17] <cmaloney> Listening to Back to Work live
[18:17] <cmaloney> 5by5.tv
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[06:04] <pwnguin> alright. so i'm very lazy and only now upgraded my laptop to karmic
[06:05] <pwnguin> is 3d rendering now a requirement for rendering? ive got some odd rendering quirks with nouveau
[09:00] <apw> tseliot, hi, just had another occurance of the corruption and gpu hang.. updated the LP bug
[09:01] <tseliot> apw: ah, nice, let me update the upstream report
[09:02] <apw> there is another GPU dump on there
[09:02]  * tseliot nods
[09:04] <tseliot> done
[09:42] <tseliot> apw: on a second thought I think I'll mark 429199 as a duplicate of 429241. After all, all the gpu dumps and all of the details are in the latter
[09:43] <apw> sure if you want to do that, i'd been keeping the corruption and non-corruption ones apart, but the former are the only ones i've hit since
[09:48] <tseliot> apw: also did you manage to reproduce 429191 and get a GPU dump?
[09:55] <apw> tseliot, not seen another occurance on my 10v yet
[09:56] <tseliot> apw: ok, mine was still very stable after 23 suspend/resume cycles...
[09:57] <apw> it seems much harder to trigger than the isues on the GM45
[09:59] <apw> and i use the GM45 based machine more too
[10:05]  * tseliot has only GM45 chipsets at home
[10:05] <tseliot> :-(
[10:11] <apw> tseliot, then you are in for a world of pain like me :/
[10:12]  * tseliot nods
[10:51] <tseliot> apw: isn't bug 429241 very similar to what they reported here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/421736 ? (albeit with different chipsets)
[10:55] <apw> tseliot, there they seem to talk about 'partially transparent things become invisible ' and definatly i've seen that as part of my symtoms at times.
[10:56] <apw> though they don't seem to talk about it then going on to lokc up solid generally
[10:58] <tseliot> apw: it's possible that you were facing two bugs, one of which could be 429241. I think I need to update the upstream bug report
[10:59] <apw> tseliot, give me a sec, as i think the fix for that was in
[10:59] <tseliot> ok
[11:01] <apw> the fix toted in bug #419264 was the one below:
[11:01] <apw> drm/i915: Fix CPU-spinning hangs related to fence usage using an LRU
[11:01] <apw> and that at least is in the karmic kernels i was running
[11:03] <apw> tseliot, dunno what that means for your upstream report update :)
[11:04] <Ng> apw: talking of G45 hangs, do you happen to know if http://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=29294 made it into any trees?
[11:04] <Ng> I seem to have entirely lost the bug that that attachment came from :/
[11:05] <Ng> it's referenced in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/424613 at least
[11:06] <apw> Ng, no i do not see that commit anywhere
[11:06] <Ng> I couldn't even begin to comment on its correctness, but it sounds like a good idea ;)
[11:07] <Ng> jbarnes wonders on http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/45938/ if it's worthy of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:07] <tseliot> apw: sorry, I meant to say that, in addition to the GPU hangs you might be experiencing 421736. Does 419264 have anything to do with it?
[11:08] <apw> one referenced the other as a dup i thought, hrm perhaps it got unduped
[11:08] <apw> in which case you are right
[11:08] <apw> may be there are two issues, that one, and general hanging
[11:08] <Ng> aha got it, it's https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22336
[11:10] <apw> Ng, ok it does appear to be in the drm-intel drm-intel-next branch
[11:11] <apw> and interestingly its GM45 specific if i am reading the leader correctly
[11:12] <tseliot> apw: as regards this patch http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/45938/ , would it be possible to put it in a PPA for testing (Intel would like to get some feedback about it)? This is for Freedesktop bug 22336 , as Ng said
[11:12] <Ng> apw: I have no idea what the process around this is, if upstream like it that much would we naturally cherry pick it? or wait for it to hit a 2.6.31.X?
[11:13] <apw> well as its has been indicated as likely stable material we would expect to see it come via 31.x when that gets going
[11:13] <Ng> ok :)
[11:13] <apw> however, sa its gm5 specific and talks about hangs, and i have GM45 with hangs ... i would be temped to pick it up and test it myself to see if it fixes _my_ issues
[11:13] <Ng> hehe
[11:13] <Ng> I too have GM45 and odd random hangs, so I'd be happy to test it too
[11:14] <Ng> but I can't reproduce the hangs in any meaningful way, so the best I could do is "err yeah it hasn't hung today". my suspend seems to be broken too atm, so I'm having to do shutdowns when I go home, which is ruining my long uptime tests of things ;)
[11:14] <apw> how it could have had this issue for so long and never hit it is a mystery
[11:15] <apw> Ng, whats your suspend broken symptoms?
[11:15] <tseliot> apw: please test it if you can
[11:15] <apw> tseliot, i'll put together a test kernel against my GM45 curruption and hang bug and see hwo that pans out
[11:15] <Ng> apw: typically my laptop just doesn't suspend at all recently. it worked with 31-9, but around the -10 upgrade I also started testing all of Keybuk's boot stuff, so it's entirely possible it's his fault
[11:16] <tseliot> apw: great, thanks a lot
[11:16] <apw> heheh
[11:46] <tseliot> apw: did you have the desktop effects enabled when you experienced the suspend/resume hang with the mini 10v?
[11:47] <apw> yes always have compiz enabled
[11:47] <tseliot> the netbook-remix UI tricked me into thinking that compiz was enabled...
[11:47] <tseliot> ok, I'll try with compiz
[11:59] <tseliot> apw: can you try what Chris suggested in 429241 when you can, please?
[12:02] <apw> tseliot, does that imply ... i need that additional file when it next occurs, or is the live data good enough?
[12:04] <tseliot> apw: I think you need to get it (together with the GPU dump, etc.) after you reproduce the problem
[12:04] <tseliot> sorry for being a pain :-P
[12:04] <apw> tseliot, these things happen, its a complex problem
[12:07] <apw> tseliot, i've also asked chris if he can tell if we have a split command in those two, and pointed him to the wrap patch i am about to test
[12:09] <tseliot> apw: excellent, thanks
[12:18]  * tseliot -> lunch
[14:34] <tseliot> apw: I sent you an email. It looks like you will have some testers with i965 for the patch
[14:40] <apw> tseliot, thanks ...
[14:40] <apw> i also see Albert has an idea what it might be
[14:41] <tseliot> apw: Alberto = tseliot ;)
[14:41] <apw> Alberto == tseliot, Albert == someone else tho.
[14:42] <tseliot> apw: who's Albert then?
[14:42]  * albert23 is Albert
[14:42] <apw> a good question indeed :)
[14:42] <apw> hello :)
[14:43] <apw> albert23, i do indeed have one such render error
[14:43] <apw>  syslog.1:Sep 15 08:14:32 dm kernel: [ 7689.536305] render error detected, EIR: 0x00000010
[14:43] <albert23> Is that followed by the PBTBL_ER?
[14:43] <tseliot> aah, ok ;)
[14:43] <apw> albert23, no it doesn't seem to be
[14:44] <apw> doh yes it is
[14:44] <apw> egrep errror
[14:44] <apw> hmm happened in the middle of the suspend too
[14:44] <apw> Sep 15 08:14:32 dm kernel: [ 7689.536305] render error detected, EIR: 0x00000010
[14:44] <apw> [...]
[14:44] <apw> Sep 15 08:14:32 dm kernel: [ 7689.536315] page table error
[14:44] <apw> Sep 15 08:14:32 dm kernel: [ 7689.536316]   PGTBL_ER: 0x00100000
[14:44] <apw> Sep 15 08:14:32 dm kernel: [ 7689.536318] [drm:i915_handle_error] *ERROR* EIR stuck: 0x00000010, masking
[14:44] <apw> Sep 15 08:14:32 dm kernel: [ 7689.552146] PM: suspend devices took 1.648 seconds
[14:45] <albert23> Looks like it
[14:45] <apw> ok so i'll find and add that patch to my test kerenl
[14:46] <albert23> Might be worth to try the mesa fix then. It points to a freedesktop bug that's pretty similar to our bug
[14:46] <albert23> freedesktop bug 23254
[14:51] <apw> tseliot, ... is an updated mesa with that fix something you can spin for me
[14:51] <apw> i'll get this kernel made available too
[14:52] <tseliot> apw: ok, let me check what's changed in mesa and I'll put the package in a PPA
[14:53] <apw> sounds gooood to me
[14:56] <tseliot> hah, it's just a one line patch
[14:57] <apw> tseliot, i see it would fit with the patch suggested for the kernel, checking the 'relocation points to within the object'
[14:57] <tseliot> apw: let's hope that a combination of the two patches fixes the bug
[14:57] <tseliot> at least one
[14:59] <apw> i am hoping the mesa fix is the whole thing
[14:59] <apw> that the kernel change just catches it without the mesa fix ... will test that next
[14:59] <tseliot> sounds like a plan :-)
[15:03] <apw> tseliot, though both changes sound like things that should go to stable imo
[15:04] <tseliot> apw: I agree. I think we can upload them after the freeze
[15:05] <apw> if that mesa fix works we might want to see if ti can be uploaded for A6, as its a bit of a mess
[15:06] <tseliot> apw: slangasek might disagree ;)
[15:06] <apw> he might, then he might not
[15:06] <tseliot> heh, it's worth trying
[15:07] <apw> obviously we need to test it first :)
[15:10] <tseliot> right. I'm building it now
[15:10] <apw> tseliot, most excellent
[15:28] <tseliot> it built \o/
[15:32] <apw> yay
[15:33] <tseliot> apw: I'm using this new PPA: https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/x-testing
[15:34] <apw> tseliot, sounds great
[15:34] <tseliot> apw: I'll let you know when the upload is complete
[15:34] <apw> thanks
[15:39] <tseliot> apw: finished. It can take a while for it to build though
[15:40] <apw> yep and to publish, and ... and i need to test without first too to see if this other patch would have found it
[15:46] <tseliot> ok
[15:48] <apw> tseliot, this kernel patch is _well_ unhappy with the default mesa
[15:48] <apw>   111.176361] [drm:i915_gem_object_pin_and_relocate] *ERROR* Relocation beyond target object bounds: obj ffff88010895da80 target 2 delta 153751552 size 16777216.
[15:48] <apw> [  111.176366] [drm:i915_gem_execbuffer] *ERROR* Failed to pin buffers -22
[15:48] <apw> [  111.249110] [drm:i915_gem_object_pin_and_relocate] *ERROR* Relocation beyond target object bounds: obj ffff88010895da80 target 2 delta 153751552 size 16777216.
[15:48] <apw> [  111.249115] [drm:i915_gem_execbuffer] *ERROR* Failed to pin buffers -22
[15:48] <tseliot> apw: what is it that fails?
[15:48] <tseliot> oh
[15:49] <apw> tseliot, producing about 5 on login, thats before any apparent problems
[15:49] <apw> half my screen is missing too :)
[15:49] <apw> so _if_ that check is right, its well broken :)  what does the mesa fix change?
[15:50] <tseliot> apw: it fixes the relocation delta
[15:50] <tseliot>  	 drm_intel_bo_emit_reloc(brw->wm.surf_bo[unit],
[15:50] <tseliot>  				 offsetof(struct brw_surface_state, ss1),
[15:50] <tseliot>  				 region_bo,
[15:50] <tseliot> -				 surf.ss1.base_addr,
[15:50] <tseliot> +				 surf.ss1.base_addr - region_bo->offset,
[15:50] <tseliot>  				 I915_GEM_DOMAIN_RENDER,
[15:50] <tseliot>  				 I915_GEM_DOMAIN_RENDER);
[15:50] <tseliot>        }
[15:50] <apw> oh thats pretty seriously off :)
[15:51] <tseliot> no wonder you're getting some weird relocation problems
[15:51] <tseliot> ;)
[15:51] <superm1> tseliot, would you mind pushing bug 385658 to your x-testing PPA so we can get some testing going on it?
[15:52] <tseliot> superm1: it's on my todo list. I haven't had the time to look at the patch yet
[15:52] <superm1> ok
[15:53] <tseliot> it looks like there's a problem in the chroot of the PPA :-/
[15:53] <apw> tseliot, ?  noooooo i need that .deb :)
[15:54] <tseliot> apw: do you use i386?
[15:54] <tseliot> if so, I can upload my packages to my webspace
[15:54] <apw> amd64 on the box in question
[15:55] <apw> damn damn damn
[15:55] <tseliot> :-/
[15:55] <tseliot> apw: do you want to build the source yourself?
[15:55] <apw> tseliot, can do
[15:56] <apw> how painful is it deps wise
[15:56] <tseliot> https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/x-testing/+files/mesa_7.6.0~git20090817.7c422387-0ubuntu4.diff.gz
[15:56] <apw> you should report that thing too
[15:56] <tseliot> https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/x-testing/+files/mesa_7.6.0~git20090817.7c422387-0ubuntu4.dsc
[15:56] <tseliot> apw: I've just reported that
[15:56] <tseliot> https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/x-testing/+files/mesa_7.6.0~git20090817.7c422387.orig.tar.gz
[15:57] <tseliot> apw: don't you use pbuilder?
[15:58] <apw> tseliot, pbuilder no
[15:58] <apw> i build so very few packages i've never needed it
[15:58] <apw> its on my list to investigate 'when i have a moment' and has been for 4 months
[15:58] <tseliot> apw: that would make things easier for you. This way I can build packages for karmic, jaunty, etc.
[15:59] <apw> i have the chroots etc, so i can build on the right one etc
[15:59] <tseliot> apw: to be honest, I use "pbuild" which is a script that makes pbuilder even easier
[16:01]  * apw adds that tot he list
[16:02]  * tseliot has a look at superm1 's patch
[16:11] <apw> tseliot, that didn't build for me
[16:11] <apw> /usr/include/drm/radeon_cs.h:181: error: 'RADEON_GEM_DOMAIN_VRAM' undeclared (first use in this function)
[16:12] <tseliot> apw: how did you build it?
[16:12] <apw> debuild -b in a chroot
[16:14] <tseliot> apw: did you update your chroot and did you make sure that all the dependencies were satisfied?
[16:15] <apw> i installed the build deps yeah
[16:15]  * apw updates it more
[16:16] <tseliot> weird
[16:16]  * apw gets grumpy ... this should be easy to test
[16:16] <apw> tseliot, the range check is looking good
[16:16] <apw> screen is mush, but very stable
[16:16] <apw> 10s/r without loss
[16:17] <tseliot> apw: nice
[16:17] <apw> its puking every update of course, mesa is a bad boy
[16:17] <tseliot> yes, I know...
[16:17] <tseliot> welcome to my world
[16:18] <apw> as bad as the kernel ...
[16:18] <tseliot> heh, right
[16:20] <apw> and hanging X == the worst of both in the mix
[16:21] <tseliot> hehe
[16:21] <tseliot> BTW:
[16:21] <tseliot> +# Copyright 2007 Red Hat Inc.
[16:21] <tseliot> +# This crappy script written by Dave Airlie to avoid hassle of adding
[16:21] <tseliot> +# ids in every place.
[16:21] <tseliot> LOL
[16:22] <apw> heh
[16:25] <apw> tseliot, so what package do i need to install from the output of this build ... i assume not all of it is needed
[16:27] <albert23> apw: I only updated libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri
[16:28] <apw> cool.  i'll do the same ... once it finishes building yawn!
[16:28] <tseliot> apw: libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri libglu1-mesa
[16:29] <apw> tseliot, is there a any docs on what the various layers actually do
[16:29] <apw> i assume mesa is the hardware abstraction layer for 3d
[16:29] <tseliot> apw: also, can you try and see if Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" (in the Device section of xorg.conf) helps with the ATI card?
[16:31] <jcristau> isn't exa the default?
[16:31] <apw> i thought so, but hey, its a heap anyway ... can't make it worse
[16:32] <tseliot> jcristau, apw: the log says that xaa is being used (don't ask me why)
[16:32] <apw> tseliot, it occurs to me that the symptoms on there included the missing borders and stuff
[16:33] <apw> ignore that thought
[16:33] <apw> tseliot, ok chaning that and enablinb compiz looks like its hung completly
[16:33] <tseliot> apw: as regards mesa, try http://www.mesa3d.org/ and http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[16:34] <tseliot> apw: ouch, can you add a comment here, please? http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23928
[16:35] <tseliot> superm1: I don't see why that shouldn't work. Did you test it?
[16:36] <superm1> tseliot, Yup
[16:36] <superm1> i've got some of this hardware that fails without it
[16:37] <tseliot> superm1: ok, let me add a comment (basically my +1) in the bug report
[16:37] <superm1> i'm not really sure more widespread testing is necessary given how straightforward it is, just needed a few pairs of eyes to make sure it looked acceptable (imo)
[16:46] <tseliot> superm1: caution is never enough. Not that I see why your patch should fail. A bunch of testers should be more than enough.
[16:46] <tseliot> apw: any luck with the build?
[16:46] <superm1> Ok, can you push it to a PPA then?
[16:47] <apw> tseliot, yep just installing and booting it now
[16:47] <tseliot> apw: great
[16:47] <tseliot> superm1: would this be ok? https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/x-testing
[16:47] <superm1> sure
[16:51] <apw> tseliot, ok that mesa update gets rid of the kernel bitching about the reloc
[16:51] <tseliot> superm1: uploaded. I hope the chroot it's not broken
[16:52] <tseliot> apw: and can you see the whole screen now?
[16:53] <apw> yep normal service is also returned for my screen ...
[16:53] <tseliot> :-)
[16:54]  * apw does some suspend/resume testing
[16:55] <apw> 5 s/r's and counting
[16:57]  * tseliot made the dell mini 10v freeze completely (black screen) without the patches after 6 suspend/resume cycles
[16:58]  * tseliot is downloading the new kernel for testing
[16:59] <apw> tseliot, _nice_
[16:59] <tseliot> heh
[16:59] <apw> my machine seems pretty stable so far ... obviously only time will tell but 4 s/r's were typically fatal
[17:00] <tseliot> apw: very well, I'll test the fix here too
[17:29] <tseliot> superm1: can you upload a package for me, please? (slangasek is ok with this)
[17:29] <superm1> sure
[17:32] <tseliot> superm1: http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/karmic/mesa/toupload.txt Thanks
[17:32] <superm1> tseliot, you'll have to point me at it though.. :)
[17:32] <superm1> Ok. cool
[17:33] <superm1> is that the same one that apw just test built locally? so  i can skip a test build right?
[17:34] <tseliot> superm1: yes, I only changed a detail in the changelog
[17:34] <superm1> ok thanks
[17:35] <apw> tseliot, do we know why the PPA builders are sick on this one?
[17:35] <superm1> tseliot, i didn't see the -nv on you x-testing ppa yet, you sure you uploaded it?
[17:36] <tseliot> superm1: yes, I did but the PPA is broken :-/
[17:37] <superm1> but the source didn't even publish?
[17:37] <tseliot> apw: I'll bug lamont again
[17:37] <superm1> must be *very* broken :)
[17:37] <tseliot> superm1: no, sorry
[17:37] <superm1> is it just your PPA, or the whole PPA system?
[17:37] <superm1> i can just pop it on one of mine instead if 'ts just yours
[17:38] <tseliot> superm1: I hope it's just mine
[17:39] <apw> tseliot, is it something to do with upstart and mountall and things not installing?
[17:39] <apw> if so its affecting the whole build system ... someone broke it
[17:40] <superm1> awesome
[17:40] <tseliot> apw: The following packages have unmet dependencies:   sysv-rc: Breaks: initscripts (< 2.86.ds1-63) but 2.86.ds1-61ubuntu16 is to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[17:40] <tseliot> d'oh!
[17:41] <apw> yeha thats the overall mess.  the archive admins are applying hammers to it
[17:42] <apw> it sounds like something which has been laying in wait for a while, a dep circle which is only hit if you upload both packages at the same time
[17:42] <apw> tseliot, hows the 10v, how many s/r did it survive?
[17:43] <tseliot> apw: 6 or 7 without problems
[17:43] <apw> most unexpected
[17:43] <apw> now my 945 is fixed i am going to test on here too
[17:43] <apw> (another 10v)
[17:43] <tseliot> good :-)
[17:44] <apw> if i add the kernel only and see the same vomit from Reloc tests i think we could
[17:44] <apw> call my other bug a dup of the main one
[17:44] <apw> will do the testing now
[17:46] <tseliot> :-)
[17:50] <tseliot> 12 suspend/resume cycles and still no problem whatsoever
[17:53] <apw> tseliot, yay
[17:58] <tseliot> apw: ok, I guess that 20 suspend/resume cycles are enough ;)
[17:58] <tseliot> I should stop before I break the netbook lid :-P
[17:59] <apw> heh yeah ... you can wake it with the power button
[17:59] <tseliot> right
[18:07] <tseliot> apw, superm1: it looks like it will take a while before the PPAs are fixed
[18:08] <tseliot> just FYI
[18:08] <superm1> archive is broke too it looks like
[18:08] <superm1> that mesa upload FTBFS all across the board
[18:11] <tseliot> :-(
[18:16]  * tseliot -> dinner


 @RazPi - does this belong to you
 Yes xD
 Putting that syrup you got us to good use
 @KMyers
 Sweet
 @KMyers I'm considering this for my notetaking https://joplin.cozic.net/
 Might try it out tonight
 Ohhh.... I think I may need to spin that up
 It has capture capability, and it fits your nextcloud setup
 Capture is what drew me in
 There's also docear for research projects http://www.docear.org/
 I'm not sure if that will fit in to my current workflow but it is open source
 https://m.imgur.com/gallery/majZA0o
 @everyone Merry Christmas
 No no no
 haha
 What's the current usb tool for making bootable linux drives?
 dd?
 etcher?
 I use Etcher
 I don't have dd on windows
 https://www.balena.io/etcher/
 yumi?
 Etcher then
 Etcher works on Windows
 yumi makes a multiboot
 omg is etcher based on electron
 I'm going to flip a table
 https://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
 if all else fails, rufus
 @RazPi
 dd for the win
 on Windows?
 Actually there is a build of the gnu-utils for Windows that has dd
 You do need to address the device different
 http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htm
 @RazPi - what do you need made? I can do it here and bring it up
 Oh I just need one more drive, I made an Ubuntu 18.10 to dd'ing my windows drive to the ssd, then I'll install either debian, ubuntu, or slackware onto the nvme
 so a small flash drive with slackware maybe?
 and/or debian
 Ok
 Ok. All made
 Sweet!
 On the road?
 I will be leaving in a few minutes
 There was a cable I was trying to remember to ask for.. oh bring a sata cable if you have one but I think I have one >_>
 Found my cables, now just trying to figure out where I put that brand new ssd
 I95 is shut down
 does that sign say boynton beach blvd?
 Yes
 lovely
 holy cow
 ?
 the traffic
 ah


[01:27] <mparillo> Thank you valorie. It never occurred to me to drag them around. I used to right click and sort by name, and that was removed in 5.5.3. I thought only gnome removed features ;-)
[04:03] <valorie> mparillo: I never used it any other way
[04:03] <valorie> perhaps people didn't use that option?
[04:03] <valorie> unsure
[06:15] <valorie> !info plasma-widget-fancytasks
[06:17] <valorie> why on earth is Ubuntu providing this for Xenial? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Fancy+Tasks?content=99737
[06:20] <valorie> according to http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/
[06:27] <valorie> I don't see how any of those ftbfs they list for us, are ours
[07:25] <Mirv> mamarley: just delayed due to lots of other things. that's the PPA it will eventually be in.
[08:34] <nicols> morning!
[08:40] <soee> hiho
[09:12] <nicols> is it posible to patch this and push to backport-landing: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-48321
[09:14] <nicols> i have some experience with patching and compiling but i don't know anything about packaging
[09:14] <nicols> but i am willing to learn it :)
[09:15] <valorie> excellent!
[09:16] <valorie> we need packagers and fixers
[09:16] <nicols> valorie: can you recommend some online tutorials?
[09:18] <nicols> i am good at system administration and bash and i have some decent infrastructure, i can run several machines (metal or vm) for testing ... also have 100/100m link :)
[09:20] <valorie> nicols: we're trying to create a packaging doc
[09:20] <valorie> https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging
[09:21] <valorie> you log in with your KDE identity
[09:21] <nicols> i know i work mostly with debian (servers) and kubuntu desktops .... in our company we are all on kubuntu. it is great for us, and i always felt i need to give something back to comunity. we are also supporting and sponsoring local opensource events in cratia, and we are Software Freedom Conservancy supporters ... also sponsoring our local openstreetmap community
[09:21] <valorie> as you learn our procedures, please update the doc!
[09:21] <valorie> that is excellent
[09:22] <nicols> croatia :)
[09:22] <valorie> clivejo is also active in OSM
[09:25] <nicols> my good friend works a lot for osm ..... hbogner on irc ... we gave them 2 servers and some hdds, before that they had all their work on some desktop machines
[09:26] <valorie> I have another friend in Argentina who's very active in OSM as well
[09:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:43] <nicols> morning!
[09:44] <soee> bonjour :)
[09:44]  * soee is upgrading his PC @ work to Plasma 5.5.3 from backports-landing
[09:48] <valorie> I'm hoping it gets to backports today
[10:04] <soee> back :)
[10:15] <acher88> got a vivid machine to upgrade sometime, that has the plasma packages pinned back to KDE4 ones. should be interesting to take that up to wily/xenial with 5.5.3
[10:56] <vip> howdy
[10:58] <Quintasan> yofel: I can't say I remembered about uploading stuff on Sunday but I was hanging around on IRC. What happened to that?
[10:59] <yofel> Quintasan: delayed by me running out of energy. And as you can't upload frameworks right now I didn't see a point in pinging you
[11:00] <Quintasan> I see.
[11:00] <Quintasan> Well, I'm at work not able to do work so feel free to bother me in case anything comes up.
[11:03]  * clivejo wonders why his ears are burning
[11:17]  * yofel blames the cold
[11:40] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:47] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:47] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[11:47] <soee> yofel: i did an upgrade today to 5.5.3 on Wily here @ work, all went fine
[12:05] <Maxiride> How it's going the plasma 5.5.3 testing? I've upgraded my laptop to help testing it out but few days has passed and everything went smoothly there.
[12:07] <soee> Maxiride: yofel has to give green light and upload it i think :)
[12:14] <mparillo> I assume to Xenial first, the backported to Wily
[12:17] <yofel> backports are done already
[12:17] <yofel> soee: I'll try to look at kate today, then I'll release it
[12:17] <mparillo> backports or backports-landing?
[12:17] <yofel> -landing
[12:17] <mparillo> TY
[12:18] <Maxiride_> so when backports-landing will be trasnferred to backports, people like me which added the -landing ppa for testing should then remove it?
[12:20] <yofel> it's safer if you do
[12:20] <soee> yofel: what is wrong with Kate?
[12:21] <yofel> soee: the thing where it keeps running
[12:22] <soee> i tihnk i do not have such problem, but i'm starting empty session on login
[12:22] <yofel> you're probably fine then
[12:24] <Maxiride_> yofel: Where can I check when it's the proper time to remove the -landing ppa?
[12:26] <yofel> Maxiride_: usually when we put the release announcement out. Worst case when you notice that you're getting a lot of updates that you're not expecting ;)
[12:27] <mikkle> any timeframe as to when landing lands in updates?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> yofel, on 16.04 Xenial?
[12:27] <Maxiride_> yofel: lol, ok thanks!
[12:27] <mikkle> i means, any timeframe as to when i'll get plasma 5.5.3 and the rest? :)
[12:27] <yofel> BluesKaj: xenial will take a couple days
[12:27] <mikkle> I'm talking about 15.10 btw
[12:28] <yofel> mikkle: today I hope. But it'll be in backports, not updates
[12:28] <BluesKaj> ok, I'll continue with the landings ppa til then
[12:28] <yofel> please do
[12:28] <mikkle> Is backports "ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa?
[12:29] <yofel> no, that's updates. Backprots is ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[12:29] <yofel> the announcement will have the correct ppa as well
[12:29] <mikkle> Can you tell me the difference between the two?
[12:30] <yofel> mikkle: updates is strictly bugfixes while backports is new versions as well.
[12:31] <mikkle> yofel thanks a lot
[12:31] <yofel> it's a difference in regression potential
[12:31] <mikkle> yeah, updates is more stable
[12:31] <mikkle> thanks for the clarification....
[12:32] <Maxiride_> mikkle: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs this wiki guess solves your questions =)
[12:32] <Maxiride_> * I guess
[12:33] <Maxiride_> except that the beta-backports is instead called backports-landing if I understood correctly
[12:33] <mikkle> Oh nice...looks like it needs to be updated to include "landing"
[12:33] <mikkle> I guess that corresponds to beta-backports
[12:33] <Maxiride_> mikkle: yep
[12:33] <Maxiride_> should be so
[12:37] <yofel> no, beta backports is for actual beta stuff, e.g. plasma 5.5.95 or so. Although these days kde has really short beta release times, so the ppa is mostly unused
[12:39] <Maxiride_> oh I must have misunderstood then. The diagram at the begin of that wiki is confusing than. I thought -landing was beta backports because the diagram shows that beta-backports goes into backports like -landing does.
[12:40] <Maxiride_> *then
[12:40] <yofel> hm, that's a bit wrong, right. But -landing also didn't exist yet when that diagram was made. We need to update that sometime
[12:43] <nicols> yofel: where are the main announcements for releases is it on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/ ? or somewhere else?
[12:43] <yofel> yes, that
[12:44] <nicols> yofel: valorie gave me some links about packaging process, i would like to be of some help here... now i am doing some reading stuff  :)
[12:45] <yofel> great, see the packaging docs link in the topic where the others tried to gather some resources.
[12:45] <yofel> I should have time in the evening to answer questions
[12:47] <nicols> cool :)
[12:49] <soee> yofel: maybe we could plan some 1-2 hours sessions each week where you could explain packaging stuff to those who want to start ?
[12:51] <soee> i must say on 5.5.3 (Wily) all works much smoother here @ work with 2 screens configuration etc.
[12:51] <yofel> that usually fails at coordinating times..
[12:51] <yofel> I'll agree on the 5.5.3 opinion
[12:56] <Quintasan> I'll say screen locker is still broken with two screens here
[12:57] <soee> i'v seen some commits in master to it, maybe it will be fixed osmehow in 5.5.6
[12:57] <Quintasan> When I close the lid it locks the screen and tries to display the screen lock on both screens
[12:58] <Quintasan> But fails miserably on the external display and shows a black background or (even worse) the windows.
[12:58] <Quintasan> I guess that's what you get for trying to do modern desktop on top of X
[12:58] <Quintasan> Shows how ill prepared we are for The Year of Linux on the Desktop.
[13:09] <nicols> should i Apply for a Developer Account?
[14:29] <bshah> I am not sure why freebsd_build_fix patch is applied in kubuntu packkaging??
[14:30] <yofel> we apply all debian patches - unless they break something
[14:33] <bshah> it doesn't apply anymore on git
[14:33] <bshah> I did refresh it but somehow didn't work out. :O
[14:33] <yofel> the comment it out in series
[14:34] <yofel> *then
[14:36] <clivejo> "open hardware, such as Raspberry Pi" yeah right!
[14:37] <yofel> who came up with that nonsense?
[14:39]  * mamarley throws a GPU blob at whoever came up with that nonsense.
[14:39] <mamarley> Splat!
[14:41] <clivejo> --> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/878287-mycroft-linuxs-own-ai/
[14:42] <clivejo> theres a few quotes in that article made me hiss and spit
[14:45] <soee> freebsd is one step before us http://euroquis.nl/bobulate/?p=1423 :D
[14:46] <yofel> FreeBSD beat us...
[14:46]  * yofel goes hiding in a corner
[14:47] <clivejo> Ryan recalls an interesting conversation with business people who don’t understand open source model. “When we talked to business guys and they ask what’s the point of going open source instead of proprietary, I explained it in this way: I spent no money and my software improved within 20 minutes of release, and then those business guys get it.”
[14:48] <clivejo> "his" software
[14:48] <Riddell> saying no money can be dangerous cos at some point you'll probably need to spend some and then they get grumpy
[14:49] <clivejo> Riddell: did you ever research snappy?
[14:50] <Riddell> nah, I looked at xdg-app thing, it seems to involve installing all of fedora into ~/.local
[14:52] <yofel> ximion can probably tell you more details of how that works. But I think that's about the idea
[14:52] <yofel> but I don't think it necessarily has to be fedora. That's just what they started out with
[16:21] <LocutusOfBorg> Hi, I just did a marble upload to fix quazip transition
[16:21] <LocutusOfBorg> "change libquazip-qt5-dev build dep to libquazip5-dev"
[16:21] <LocutusOfBorg> please steal my upload when you update marble :)
[16:57] <LocutusOfBorg> oh... I guess this is from git, not from xenial, right? yofel
[16:57] <LocutusOfBorg> ^^^^
[16:59] <yofel> LocutusOfBorg: we plan to merge git master anyway, and our upload sanity check fails if there's an archive change that's missing from our git history. So either way, we'll get both changes ;)
[16:59] <LocutusOfBorg> oh, so not my mistake I hope
[16:59] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm still waiting for it to migrate
[16:59] <LocutusOfBorg> autopkgtest didn't even start yet
[17:01] <yofel> no, what you did is fine. People don't usually ask before uploading to the archive anyway, so we're used to fixing stuff up later on. (And know how to)
[17:01] <yofel> So if anything, thanks for telling that you uploaded something
[20:30] <tsimonq2> a/or
[20:30] <tsimonq2> whoops sorry
[20:46] <soee> yofel: did you maybe backported plasma-desktop and plasma-framework commits ?
[20:48] <yofel> soee: not any this week so far
[20:48] <yofel> I do remember that you pointed to something in p-d at least..
[20:49] <soee> hmm yes, i see that task manager items spacing is fixed i think
[20:50] <soee> thats why i asked, but maybe it was something different that caused this
[20:59] <soee> yofel: are we ready to relase 5.5.3 for Wily ?
[21:00] <yofel> I'll copy it in a bit. Announcement will follow when I get to it
[21:00] <yofel> not today though
[21:01] <soee> oki
[22:04] <yofel> one last upgrade test..
[22:07] <yofel> in backports now
[22:10] <valorie> my goodness that ppa page hadn't been updated in ages
[22:10] <valorie> still talked about KOffice
[22:13] <valorie> we don't still have n experimental PPA, correct?
[22:14] <valorie> instead we use staging?
[22:14] <yofel> experimental is still a thing
[22:14] <yofel> it's for.. "experimental" stuff ^^
[22:14] <valorie> hmmm, still listed in launchpad
[22:14] <valorie> ok
[22:15] <valorie> do we still split up staging?
[22:15] <valorie> Kubuntu Staging Frameworks
[22:15] <valorie> Kubuntu Staging KDE Applications
[22:15] <yofel> yes
[22:15] <valorie> Kubuntu Staging Misc
[22:15] <valorie> Kubuntu Staging Plasma
[22:15] <valorie> ok
[22:16] <yofel> removed wily status for FW and P, as those are DONE
[22:18] <valorie> ok, someone should read over that page to be sure that my versioning examples are sane, but otherwise, it's just KDE SC > Plasma or Plasma and Frameworks, KOffice  > Calligra, etc.
[22:18] <valorie> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs
[22:20] <yofel> it's ~fine
[22:20] <yofel> the probably most wrong thing on the page is that graph
[22:20] <yofel> but it looks cool, so lets keep it
[22:21] <valorie> lol
[22:21] <valorie> we could get someone like ovidiu-florin to make a new one, just as cool
[22:21] <valorie> but more correct
[22:23] <valorie> added a note in the packaging docs about that
[22:24] <yofel> good idea
[22:25] <yofel> lol, that already says that the page needs a new graph :D
[22:30] <valorie> yeah, just added it
[22:30] <valorie> wow, ubuntu really did well in GCi
[22:30] <valorie> KDE not as well
[22:31] <valorie> at least in number of tasks completed


[02:26] <smartboyhw> zequence: Speaking about voting, there's a different voting system called CIVS.
[02:29] <smartboyhw> Which the Kubuntu Members will use to vote on the Kubuntu Council members.
[02:31] <smartboyhw> Technically speaking LP votes are better in doing Project Lead cotes
[02:32] <smartboyhw> s/cotes/votes/
[02:32] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Technically speaking LP votes are better in doing Project Lead votes"
[02:50] <len-dt> smartboyhw, I think the idea is that we need to grow the team large enough that a vote/poll is even needed in the first place.
[02:59] <smartboyhw> len-dt: That's a +1. But in Xubuntu' case, their users LP team vote on their Project Lead
[02:59] <smartboyhw> We DO have that.
[03:01] <smartboyhw> However the problem will be that whether some people will get votes more equal then the others
[03:03] <smartboyhw> I think, though, as zequence is still active he will still be the best choice for Project Lead
[03:05]  * smartboyhw is thinking to do a thank you section for the 13.04 final announcement.
[03:06] <smartboyhw> Off, back in 3-4 hours
[07:09] <smartboyhw> Hello!
[07:17] <smartboyhw> zequence: Do add me as friend on Ubuntu Forums:P
[16:52] <len-dt> zequence, holstein,  phasex is buggy. Sent a message to the developer. The preferences do not save. The only way to set preferences in phasex that will still be there next time it is started is to manually edit the file
[16:53] <len-dt> The file to edit is ~/.phasex/phasex.cfg... should someone ask for help with this.
[16:55] <len-dt> I think the developer has copied over the patch save dialog where the the config save dialog should be and just not changed the values to reflect it's proper use. It seems odd that you would be able to save/load the patch in two places but not be able to save the config :)
[21:15] <len-dt> Wow!, that was fast. Qjackctl 0.3.10 was released April 1 2013 and when I look at the one running in precise it says 0.3.10 build April 5 2013.
[21:26] <zequence> len-dt: That is fast. backport?
[21:27] <zequence> len-dt: Or, are you using some PPA
[21:28] <zequence> len-dt: Doesn't look like it's been released from doing a package search
[21:28] <zequence> I'm just about to boot into precise to test kernels. Will check
[21:31] <zequence> len-dt: I guess you have kxstudio ppa.
[21:31] <len-dt> I may.
[21:31] <len-dt> Forgot about that. I haven't booted this drive for a bit.
[21:31] <zequence> ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[21:32] <len-dt> kxstudio-team-ppa-precise.list       opera.list
[21:32] <len-dt> kxstudio-team-ppa-precise.list.save  shnatsel-zram-precise.list
[21:32] <zequence> len-dt: I doubt anyone is updating any of the pro audio packages on stable releases. Not even PA gets updated very often (last updated autumn last year)
[21:34] <zequence> PA had an update in November for precise
[21:34] <len-dt> Does jack (not qjackctl) have any way of changing the name of it's ports?
[21:34] <zequence> No idea
[21:34] <len-dt> Ah, I would love to rename ports 5 to 10 on my card.
[21:34] <falktx> I updated qjackctl for kxstudio, yes :)
[21:35] <len-dt> April 5 no doubt :)
[21:35] <falktx> len-dt: port-aliases kinda allow that, but qjackctl doesnt do that
[21:35] <len-dt> qjackctl allows it, but they don't show up in other programs.
[21:35] <falktx> yep, it doesn't use port-aliases
[21:36] <len-dt> I want it to show in Jack to other programs.
[21:36] <falktx> I support aliases in my catia app
[21:36] <len-dt> I have a delta 66 and ports 5 to 8 are not used. and 9-10 are spdif.
[21:36] <falktx> but I think it's better to enable "hardware aliases" instead
[21:37] <len-dt> How do I do that?
[21:37] <falktx> I have it enabled for kxstudio's jack2. use cadence to configure jack and enable it
[21:37] <falktx> sadly qjackctl doesn't read or set jackdbus settings either
[21:39] <len-dt> Well it does a few like rate and -p etc., but not all
[21:39] <len-dt> It does allow the use of net as a back end but does not allow changing the settings.
[21:40] <falktx> no, qjackctl doesn't read jackdbus settings
[21:40] <falktx> as in, the one official jackdbus config in ~/.config/jack/
[21:41] <len-dt> Hmm, OK, I guess it uses dbus to set things but then reads whatever from jack directly.
[21:41] <zequence> qjackctl has its own settings, and also, edits ~/.jackdrc
[21:42] <zequence> .config/rncbc.org/QjackCtl.conf
[21:42] <len-dt> Ya, When jack has settings changed through dbus it saves them too.
[21:42] <falktx> yes, but the problem is that it doesn't read them
[21:43] <falktx> so the settings are not shared with other jack config tools
[21:44] <len-dt> Ya.
[22:22] <len-dt> Hmm, I can tell jack the number of ports I want to use, but not which ports I want to keep if they are non-contiguous.
[22:23] <len-dt> For example 6 ports 1-4 + 9-10
[22:23] <falktx> jack doesn't do that afaik
[22:23] <len-dt> It seems that way.
[22:31] <len-dt> Still 1.9.8 version of jack. Supports CELT but not opus.
[22:41] <len-dt> Nope it says <IP_ADDRESS> , I thought 1.9.9 came with opus support, release notes say "- Add opus support to NetJack2."
[23:25] <len-dt> zequence, I know it has been sometime since we looked at midi jitter.
[23:26] <len-dt> The Jackd faq has this to say about it: "There is no canonical answer to that. The kernel clock freq (dev.rtc.max-user-freq, dev.hpet.max-user-freq) is irrelevant for JACK, JACK-midi and JACK's MIDI-backends including a2jmidid. However, applications that directly use ALSA-MIDI or ALSA-sequencer may be affected by this. There are many related factors. It depends which timer is used by the soundcard's driver (snd_timer, snd_hrtimer) and how the appl
[23:26] <len-dt> ications schedules ALSA-MIDI data processing."
[23:55] <len-dt> zequence, it would seem we should try to set things up to default to using jack midi if they support it.


[19:14] <daker> wxl: the meeting should have started 15min ago right ?
[19:15] <wxl> daker: -15m +2h XD
[19:15] <daker> What :D
[19:16] <wxl> daker: 21utc
[19:17] <daker> Ah I see
[21:08] <wxl> anyone interested in loco portal development, please head to #ubuntu-meeting! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamPortal/Meetings/20160224


[02:06] <Qball_> hey
[02:07] <Qball_> so Im wanting to put this on a disc and dual boot my laptop using the disc would I just install this on the disc normally or are there any special steps I need to take
[02:49] <DarinMiller> Qball_: do you mean you have 2 separate drives on your laptop?  What do you mean by disk?
[10:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:48] <boospy> Is there a way to start phonecalls directly over kdeconnect? With SMS from Kontact this works really fine: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=140685#p378039
[17:19] <chamar> Hi folks, is there a way to make the Libre Office (especially the menu) a bit.. hum.. better looking? (ie: they are real ugly)
[17:24] <lubuntunext>  sudo apt-get browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
[17:24] <lubuntunext> this finished but still no flash in chromium
[17:26] <mparillo> chamar: Is your problem with the menus or the icons? I used to have this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1625595
[17:27] <chamar> mparillo: the menu mostly... let me check that link
[17:27] <chamar> k.. not the same "issue" .. it's not unreadable.. but ugly and out of place compares to everything QT.. of course..
[17:28] <mparillo> You could try getting used to Calligra.
[17:33] <chamar> http://imgur.com/a/LbT7q
[17:33] <chamar> it's not *that* ugly.. I'm picky I guess :/
[17:35] <mparillo> I was happy when it got that ugly. ;-)
[17:36] <chamar> yeah... I'm real picky on those little details
[17:59] <[Relic]> Are there any problems with installing 17.04 as a bios rather than efi boot?
[18:09] <BluesKaj> [Relic],  none whatsoever
[18:10] <BluesKaj> as long you're not dual boting with Windows on GPT/UEFI
[18:24] <[Relic]> BluesKaj, nah, no windows just wanted to test 17.04, but 14.04 was installed in bios originally, and didn't want efi to screw up that
[18:27] <BluesKaj> [Relic],  then you shouild be good to go
[18:29] <[Relic]> just have to figure out how to break up the drive without causing problems
[18:32] <BluesKaj> use gparted for partitioning first of all, then use manual partitioning during the install. That way the install will much easier
[18:32] <BluesKaj> will go
[18:32] <chamar> ... and backup first. ;)
[18:33] <[Relic]> so gpart to section the HD before install
[18:34] <BluesKaj> to me it makes for a quicker and less troublesome install
[18:38] <[Relic]> still no idea on why every attempt on 14.04 failed to create a workable iso to usb
[18:47] <Ab3L> [Relic]: I had problems with usb because I tried to format the usb key as ext* partition. I had to format it as fat32 (I don't know whether it's the same problem you have now, but it may help)
[18:48] <[Relic]> didn't like fat32 (b or c) didn't work for start up disk, unetbootin or dd
[18:53] <BluesKaj> dd should work
[18:53] <[Relic]> it doesn't
[18:54] <[Relic]> and I tried multiple ways of doing it on multiple usb sticks
[18:57] <[Relic]> off to see if I can get 17.04 installed :)
[18:58] <chamar> good luck.
[19:03] <BluesKaj> uodd, dd always worked fine here, used it lots
[19:11] <BluesKaj> I'll bet he's forgetting to unmount the stick when copies with dd
[19:33] <[Relic]> resizing seems successful
[19:37] <BluesKaj> [Relic], make sure  to unmount the stick when copying with dd, if you decide to try it agian
[19:37] <[Relic]> did that a few times
[19:38] <BluesKaj> been successful here several times with dd
[19:39] <BluesKaj> [Relic],   https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[19:42] <[Relic]> been there, done that, completely failed
[19:44] <BluesKaj> [Relic],  i haste to say this then your command is incorrect or your usb stick is defective
[19:45] <[Relic]> considering I used the same usb stick and it works perfect when I used rufus from vista that isn't possible
[19:47]  * BluesKaj shrugs :P
[19:51] <[Relic]> I think it is the missing iso pack something like iso9960 that it couldn't find on the few times that came up so it wasn't using the proper boot info to set it up
[21:01] <karl_> Saludos
[21:42] <cm_> have a problem with kde-related broken packages
[21:43] <cm_> need to get rid of 'em so synaptic & updater works again...any ideas?
[21:45] <cm_> k, it's been awhile since I was last here...is anyone here, or just parked?
[22:03] <Qball_> DarinMiller, I mean like a cd
[22:16] <DarinMiller> Qball_: CD? Or DVD?  You can install to a DVD, but unless it's RW, you would not be able to update or install drivers.  Also, DVD are slower so the your system would be quite slow.
[22:19] <DarinMiller> Also, typical DVD's don't have much storage,  so your app installation would be limited.
[22:20] <Qball_> could I not just have it save all the stuff to my harddrive and just have the os on the dvd and yes it is a RW
[22:23] <Qball_> is that not possible dragly_
[22:23] <Qball_> DarinMiller,
[22:23] <Qball_> my bad
[22:25] <DarinMiller> Qball_: I think it would be that would be possble, put root on the DVD, create a home partition on the hard drive.    Slowing it down with a DVD install would be less fun.
[22:32] <Qball_> I figured without formatting it and installing it on my harddrive this is the best option
[22:34] <DarinMiller> As per the last comment on this page, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=478433, you should not need to do anything special.
[22:34] <Qball_> I was just gonna burn the iso onto the dvd so I'll read that
[23:43] <eloy> alguien que hable español
[23:43] <eloy> ?
[23:51] <mparillo> !es


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[09:15] <Andy80> 'morning
[09:17] <Andy80> please tell me if this is a known Unity bug: very often (I just fought for 5 minutes to make it work) the Launcher bar doesn't show when it should... you keep moving the mouse on the left and it doesn't show. You have to show desktop (SUPER+D) a couple of times to make it appears. Then, when you want to hide it, it doesn't hide as expected.
[12:58] <mardy> Trevinho: hi, I'm trying to run Unity 2D with two monitors, in VirtualBox; but I get the panel in only one of them... did you ever meet this problem?
[13:18] <greyback> mardy: I got it once from not having the tops of the monitors in line
[13:19] <mardy> greyback: mmm... what do you mean by the tops being in line?
[13:20] <greyback> mardy: yep, I knew that was a bit vague. In System Settings ->Displays, do the tops of the two rectangles meet?
[13:21] <mardy> greyback: nope. Let me try...
[13:21] <mardy> greyback: OMG :-)
[13:21] <greyback> mardy: IMO it shouldn't make a difference, but I didn't have 2 physical monitors to test it
[13:22] <greyback> mardy: panel should always be on top, no matter how those monitors are aligned, no?
[13:24] <mardy> greyback: I would say so... weird! Anyway, the immediate problem is solved, thanks! I'll google a bit more, to see if it is a bug, and if so, I'll report it
[13:25] <greyback> mardy: Yeah it's strange. Glad I could help :)
[13:46] <mardy> greyback: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/735937
[13:50] <greyback> mardy: patch sitting there for months, what a pity
[15:50] <g0rs> hello,  animations aren't worrking in compiz even though i enabled them in ccsm. Can anybody suggest what to do ?
[16:07] <Trevinho> mardy: I don't think it's  a my problem
[16:07] <Trevinho> I mean... I don't changed how unity2d manages the panels
[16:07] <g0rs> Trevinho: hi
[16:07] <Trevinho> hi g0rs
[16:07] <g0rs> Trevinho: nimations aren't worrking in compiz even though i enabled them in ccsm. Can anybody suggest what to do ?
[16:08] <Trevinho> g0rs: ask to smspillaz when he comes back
[16:08] <g0rs> okay
[21:07] <dutchie> hi folks
[21:07] <dutchie> i'm trying to write an appindicator program in vala, but when i try to run it i get "Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported"
[21:08] <dutchie> (i'm on oneiric)
[21:09] <dutchie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators#Vala_Example doesn't work also
[21:09] <dutchie> i'm compiling with --pkg gtk+-3.0 --pkg appindicator-0.1
[21:09] <dutchie> not really sure how to deal with this
[21:10] <dutchie> file a bug against libappindicator-dev? from my initial googles that would seem to be the problem
[21:11] <dutchie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/706993/ is the ldd output
[21:52] <cwillu> So, who knows lots about compiz + unityshell + whatever else might be involved?  I'm trying to work out why (at a I-can-fix-it-myself-given-a-pointer level) my window moves freeze up compiz for a moment right when I start, but only if the unityshell is running (disabling it in ccsm immediately fixes it, as well as making the moves silky smooth rather than the slightly jitter 10fps I get otherwise)?
[21:54] <cwillu> intel pineview (gm33, i915'ish), vsync makes no difference.  The mouse cursor still updates (which isn't surprising), but no windows update during the hiccup
[21:55] <cwillu> I can't seem to figure out where unityshell would be hooking into such a thing though
[21:55] <jbicha> dutchie: you should use libappindicator3-dev not 0.1
[22:02] <Trevinho> dutchie: really doesn't it work?
[22:03] <Trevinho> You only need valac --pkg appindicator3-0.1 --pkg gtk+-3.0 appindicator.vala
[22:03] <Trevinho> dutchie: actually the appindicator3-0.1 should have included the gtk in the deps...
[22:03] <Trevinho> I'm sorry for that
[22:05] <cwillu> oooo, you appear to have a passing familiarity with "source code"!
[22:05]  * cwillu pokes Trevinho with the unidentified parts from a unity repo
[22:16] <dutchie> Trevinho/jbicha: ah, ok thanks a lot, i'll try that
[22:17] <dutchie> excellent, that works with appindicator3-0.1
[22:18] <dutchie> thanks again :)
[22:20] <Trevinho> dutchie: basically you were linking against the gtk2 version... That wasn't working.
[22:20] <dutchie> makes sense
[22:20] <Trevinho> However in theory just valac --pkg appindicator3-0.1 file.vala
[22:20] <Trevinho> should work
[22:21] <dutchie> oh cool
[22:21] <Trevinho> but it seems that the appindicator package misses a .deps file to avoid to list manually the dependencies...
[23:28] <cwillu> enabling unityshell in ccsm makes _something_ really slow in compiz, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what it's doing
[23:29]  * cwillu would appreciate a suspect
[23:57] <Trevinho> cwillu: iwth no unityshell, there's no unity at all...
[23:58] <cwillu> Trevinho, yes, but there's still every other plugin (move, decorate, etc)


[12:14] <xuzhoujim> Anyone here to point me to a good starting place for solving some sound issues?
[13:42] <sbalneav> xuzhoujim: More information would be helpful.
[14:58] <sbalneav> highvoltage: ping
[15:00] <sbalneav> stgraber: ping, aussi
[15:02] <highvoltage> sbalneav: pong
[15:02] <sbalneav> hey
[15:02] <highvoltage> I was just about to ping you guys too, howdy
[15:02] <sbalneav> ok, I'm running into a common problem I run into all the time.
[15:03] <sbalneav> I'm trying to update a package.
[15:03] <sbalneav> But it depends on ANOTHER updated package.
[15:03] <sbalneav> I'm trying to update davical, but it depends on phpawl
[15:03] <sbalneav> which the same guy produces
[15:03] <sbalneav> so I've got an updated phpawl
[15:03] <sbalneav> .deb
[15:03] <highvoltage> how is it that you can't install the updated phpawl?
[15:04] <sbalneav> well I can
[15:04] <sbalneav> but it's not on the pbuilder
[15:04] <sbalneav> so, how does one build a package that depends on another updated package that's NOT in the archives yet
[15:05] <highvoltage> ah I see.
[15:05] <highvoltage> when you build 'n pbuilder environment you can use --othermirror to specify your own mirror or a ppa
[15:05] <highvoltage> you could use that to get around that
[15:06] <highvoltage> (brb)
[15:06] <sbalneav> ah, ok
[15:50] <highvoltage> so...
[15:50] <highvoltage> about the artwork
[15:50] <highvoltage> what background colour(s) should we go with for the startup screen (plymouth) background?
[15:51] <highvoltage> I'm thinking of having a light subtle background (like the main area on the wallpeper) with some green and orange hints (like the tree and the ground on the wallpaper)
[15:51] <highvoltage> I don't know whether there's any strong feelings about it.
[15:54] <sbalneav> Not really
[15:54] <sbalneav> Art wise, my taste's all in my mouth :)
[15:58] <highvoltage> heh
[16:01] <sbalneav> pbuilder build --othermirror "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/sbalneav/ppa/ubuntu karmic main"
[16:01] <sbalneav> W: /root/.pbuilderrc does not exist
[16:01] <sbalneav> E: Command line parameter [] is not a valid .dsc file name
[16:01] <sbalneav> Something's not happy
[16:06] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I think you have to add that mirror when you do the pbuilder --create
[16:07] <highvoltage> sbalneav: and then you just pass the .dsc file when you do the 'build' command
[16:07] <sbalneav> ah
[16:49] <highvoltage> stgraber: I agree with the change you made to hace the icons in the System menu, I say we should keep it.
[16:50] <stgraber> highvoltage: ok
[16:50] <stgraber> I usually run with that on my desktop and it's in the default keys at RLNX for both internal and our customers
[16:50] <stgraber> I really liked that when I was running my desktop in Chinese ;)
[16:57] <highvoltage> *nod* the ucons are really important in cases where the text can't be read for whatever reason
[17:18] <mgariepy> good afternoon everyone
[17:38] <highvoltage> hi there mgariepy
[17:50] <mgariepy> how you doing highvoltage ?
[17:51] <highvoltage> doing good thanks and you?
[17:53] <mgariepy> not doing too bad.
[18:06] <joerg> hi
[18:10] <highvoltage> hi joerg
[18:11] <joerg> any idea how I can get money for some open source education project?
[18:13] <joerg> I know, the question is stupid
[18:13] <joerg> but I have got so many good ideas
[18:13] <joerg> just nobody to pay me for doing that stuff
[18:15] <highvoltage> joerg: where are you again?
[18:15] <joerg> in germany
[18:16] <joerg> most of my work is unpaid
[18:16] <Lns> joerg: care to elaborate on your "open source education project" ?
[18:16] <joerg> and I can only do it, because I live in a house with parents, sister and dont have to pay for rent, food etc.
[18:17] <joerg> Lns, myserv-project.org
[18:17] <joerg> the education stuff is really annoying
[18:17] <joerg> the government always says: yes, gooood idea, but we don't have money.
[18:17] <joerg> and then I mostly simply say: ok, gonna do the project anyway
[18:17] <joerg> and after all they "find" some money.
[18:18] <Lns> joerg: wow looks like a very elaborate project!
[18:18] <joerg> Lns, wanna sponsor it? :D
[18:18] <Lns> joerg: I would but I don't see my customers in real need of something like that (yet)
[18:18] <Lns> plus i'm really short of money too...heh, i need a bailout
[18:19] <Lns> anyone know where i can sign up to get one?
[18:23] <highvoltage> joerg: german government doesn't have money!?!?
[18:24] <joerg> they have
[18:24] <joerg> but for other things
[18:25] <joerg> the township that is responsible for the school buys hard and software
[18:25] <joerg> state government says: nooo, this is a software project - software is purchased by the towns
[18:25] <joerg> the state only pays the teachers.
[18:25] <highvoltage> joerg: judging by the munich stuff, it doesn't seem like a good time for free software in germany atm, seems like there's a lot of politics around it
[18:26] <highvoltage> joerg: aren't there private schools there running linux?
[18:26] <joerg> there are even public schools running linux
[18:26] <joerg> and what happened to munich? :P
[18:27] <highvoltage> joerg: http://slashdot.org/story/10/03/19/1633241/The-Woes-of-Munichs-Linux-Migration
[18:27] <joerg> the thing is not to convince them to use OSS, the thing is to get 200-300 hours of work paid :P on OSS
[18:28] <highvoltage> joerg: ah one of those cases
[18:30] <joerg> hmm
[18:31] <joerg> probably it is not that easy to live from projects like that....
[18:31] <joerg> probably I will spend all my life renting appartments here in town and work as an unpaid OSS developer....
[18:39] <highvoltage> joerg: what many people do is diversify a bit, do some grunt work that is profitable even if you have to contract out some support work, then you can use that to subsidise your other project until it's more commercially viable
[20:15] <vmlintu> joerg: do the schools buy services over there? Installing a piece of OS software sounds probably way too difficult for schools' people..
[20:40] <highvoltage> hey HedgeMage
[20:41] <HedgeMage> hi, highvoltage :)
[20:42] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: besides that we don't have a logo yet, are there any blockers for the website?
[20:42] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: give me a sec to finish a pm with a client, and I'll look.
[20:42] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: ok great
[20:57] <HedgeMage> back... logo/branding is a blocker, as is finding out from the powers that be what email account will be used for the web-site's back-end email list integration
[20:57] <HedgeMage> (It should be an account just for the gateway)
[21:25] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: ^^^


[00:24] <anon-desktop> Hi everyone
[00:24] <ouroumov__> hi anon-desktop
[00:26] <anon-desktop> It's my third day with ubuntu mate
[00:26] <ouroumov__> anon-desktop, how do you like it so far?
[00:33] <anon-desktop> Just used windows10 for my job
[00:33] <anon-desktop> photoshop does not run properly on linux even using wine
[00:33] <anon-desktop> same for illustrator... etc
[00:33] <anon-desktop> now i have one project on mind and started with ubuntu mate in my laptop
[00:33] <anon-desktop> already set p tor daemon, firefox going through tor net, the same for IRC...
[00:33] <anon-desktop> adn still looking for more security xD
[00:36] <anon-desktop> First time on IRC, how do you talked to me, wich command did you use? please
[01:06] <ouroumov_> anon-desktop, I didn't use any command
[01:06] <ouroumov_> anon-desktop, I'm using the default IRC client that comes with Ubuntu MATE: hexchat
[01:06] <anon-desktop> yes
[01:06] <anon-desktop> i mean to use my name in your massage referring to me
[01:06] <anon-desktop> just writing my name or any command
[01:08] <ouroumov_> I'm just writing your name :)
[01:09] <ouroumov_> And the message goes to everyone connected on the channel, not only you
[01:16] <jughead> how to turn off overscan rpi3?
[01:24] <anon-desktop> thanks for the info
[05:24] <concubicycle> soup
[07:02] <mate|44556> installing right now :D
[07:02] <mate|44556> Triple booting MATE Windows(slackware lol) and Mac OS X
[07:04] <mate|44556> Does GRUB support Mac OS X or will I have to install CLOVER
[07:08] <mate|44556> :( guess no ones on
[07:12] <mate|44556> hi
[07:37] <mate|56007> how do i install the latest version of flash?
[07:38] <alkisg> mate|56007: which version do you have now?
[07:38] <mate|56007> the standard on desktop here. it is a web site compalining about not having te latest version
[07:39] <mate|56007> i tried to install last time and it gave me a error, package does not exist
[07:39] <mate|56007> can try again today
[07:39] <alkisg> Firefox has flash 11, chromium has the latest one
[07:39] <alkisg> In the near future, firefox will also get the latest one in Linux, because adobe recently published it
[07:40] <mate|56007> just tried chrome; the web site gave me same message. please install latest version of flash
[07:40] <alkisg> Go to about flash and check your version
[07:40] <mate|56007> i cannot downloadn and install, can I?
[07:40] <alkisg> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[07:41] <alkisg> Go there with chromium
[07:41] <alkisg> Which version does that say there?
[07:41] <alkisg> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[07:42] <alkisg> For me, it says: You have version 23,0,0,185 installed
[07:42] <alkisg> That's the very latest one
[07:43] <mate|56007> it does not say the version. just we only work on latest version and the same message appears both on chrome and firefox
[07:43] <alkisg> If it doesn't say the version, then you don't have flash installed
[07:44] <alkisg> What's the output of this? dpkg -l '*flash*' | grep ^ii
[07:46] <mate|56007> i dont see the same message. how do i install it?
[07:46] <alkisg> Open a terminal and copy/paste the command that I gave you, and then paste its output here.
[07:57] <mate|56007> sorry mate, i am struggling to copy and paste your command. i am on a mac
[07:58] <alkisg> Select the command and then go to the terminal and press middle mouse click, or both left+right click if you don't have a wheel
[07:58] <alkisg> Or go to the paste menu. Or just type it. :)
[08:00] <mate|56007> ii  flashplugin-installer  <IP_ADDRESS>7ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> amd64        Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[08:00] <alkisg> That's the wrong one, and that's why you don't have flash in chromium-browser
[08:00] <alkisg> You need to enable the partner repository, and install adobe-flashplugin
[08:01] <mate|56007> how do i fix this i just installed it from the ubuntu software centre
[08:02] <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Partner-Flash
[08:19] <mate|69167> i tried all links you have sent,could not install flash
[08:20] <alkisg> mate|69167: what was the error message?
[08:21] <mate|69167> any help in installing  flash plugin for chrome
[08:21] <alkisg> Did you try to follow the wiki page with the instructions?
[08:21] <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Partner-Flash
[08:21] <mate|69167> yes did
[08:21] <alkisg> And which step was not successful?
[08:21] <mate|69167> does it make a difference that i am on the free aws
[08:22] <alkisg> I have no idea what aws does, ask them
[08:22] <mate|69167> i could click onthe partner software and from there onwards nothing worked
[08:22] <alkisg> Which step of the wiki page had a problem?
[08:22] <mate|69167> the search did not even returnadobe-flash in it
[08:23] <mate|69167> can you please send me link again
[08:23] <alkisg> I just did, see 10 lines above
[08:23] <mate|69167> all my wndows crashed and had to log out (oh sorry)
[08:27] <ouroumov_> I wasn't aware there was a flash plugin for chrome
[08:27] <ouroumov_> Isn't chrome shipping with its own version of flash?
[08:28] <alkisg> ouroumov_, in chrome it's shipped by the package, while in chromium it's separate
[08:28] <alkisg> It's the same pepper-flash-plugin.so file in both cases
[08:28] <alkisg> And nowadays both the npapi and ppapi version are in the same adobe-flashplugin.deb from the partner repository
[08:29] <alkisg> the npapi is in version 11, while the ppapi one in version 23
[08:29] <alkisg> In the near future, adobe will publish the 23 version for the npapi plugin as well
[08:29] <alkisg> So, long story short, the correct instructions for flash are in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Partner-Flash
[08:30] <alkisg> (because there are many old pages out there suggesting the wrong flashplugin-installer)
[08:58] <mate|69167> fail at 1d(2) (sorry had to go away)
[09:02] <mate|69167> for some reason i am getting authentication errors at this time, although i have logged into my session twice with same password
[09:07] <ouroumov_> mate|69167, check you're using the correct keyboard layout
[09:07] <ouroumov_> You should have a language switch thingie somewhere on the lightdm screen
[09:28] <DagDaWildDog> W: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu yakkety Release' does not have a Release file.
[09:28] <DagDaWildDog> is that bad?
[09:28] <DagDaWildDog> I'm on ubuntu-mate 16.10
[09:29] <DagDaWildDog> it also causes E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/yakkety/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[09:33] <dumpchama> hi... i have this problem where after about 10min or so the MATE environment becomes unresponsive to mouse clicks / keyboard etc, and I have to do ctrl+alt+f1 to fix it
[09:33] <dumpchama> how can I find the cause of the problem?
[09:40] <ouroumov_> DagDaWildDog, sup
[09:40] <ouroumov_> DagDaWildDog, try and run the "Fixes" from the software boutique
[09:41] <DagDaWildDog> on it
[09:41] <ouroumov_> dumpchama, hi
[09:41] <DagDaWildDog> thanks!
[09:41] <dumpchama> hi
[09:42] <ouroumov_> dumpchama, are you using Compiz? And what version of UM?
[09:42] <DagDaWildDog> ah, it also says it in fixes. "E:The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu yakkety Release' does not have a Release file."
[09:42] <dumpchama> i have compiz installed but i'm not sure if it's "active"
[09:42] <dumpchama> also using 16.04 of UM
[09:42] <ouroumov_> DagDaWildDog, weird
[09:47] <ouroumov_> DagDaWildDog, maybe report it on the forum
[09:47] <DagDaWildDog> ok, will do
[09:47] <ouroumov_> I'm sorry I don't have the time to dig deep, I'm supposed to be listening to a conference
[09:50] <DagDaWildDog> it is okay, it doesn't seem to be causing problems!
[09:51] <DagDaWildDog> it's just weird
[09:51] <alkisg> DagDaWildDog: what are the contents of that file? /etc/apt/sources.list.d/your-ppa.list
[09:52] <alkisg> or, what are the results of this command: grep -r kernel-ppa /etc/apt/sources.list*
[09:53] <alkisg> dumpchama: when that happens, switch to alt+ctrl+f1, and check the output of `dmesg`, and the contents of /var/log/Xorg.*.log
[09:54] <DagDaWildDog> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23373724/
[09:54] <dumpchama> alkisg: ok
[09:54] <dumpchama> I will remember that in case it happens again
[09:54] <alkisg> DagDaWildDog: this repository doesn't publish anything for yakkety yet: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[09:54] <DagDaWildDog> oops, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23373728/
[09:54] <alkisg> How did you add it?
[09:54] <alkisg> Or, why?
[09:55] <DagDaWildDog> because <IP_ADDRESS> works and <IP_ADDRESS> doesn't, so I downloaded 4.8.1 generic
[09:55] <alkisg> DagDaWildDog: so you added it trying to find the kernel there, but it wasn't there, and you downloaded the kernel from elsewhere?
[09:55] <DagDaWildDog> spent a few hours yesterday tryong to make .26 work and gave up
[09:56] <DagDaWildDog> oh, maybe so
[09:56] <DagDaWildDog> no need for that ppa then I guess?
[09:56] <DagDaWildDog> I tried a lot ;f things
[09:56] <alkisg> In any case, that repository has nothing at all for yaketty
[09:56] <alkisg> So nothing for you there, delete it
[09:56] <DagDaWildDog> okay, thanks
[09:56] <alkisg> np
[09:57] <DagDaWildDog> when mate reaches 4.8.1 will mine get updated to the ubuntu mate version? or will I remain on generic?
[09:57] <DagDaWildDog> it's working fine, just curious
[09:57] <alkisg> It depends on what you did to install the previous version
[09:58] <alkisg> What's the output of this? dpkg -l '*linux*' | grep ^ii
[09:58] <DagDaWildDog> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23373738/
[09:58] <alkisg> These are the available kernels for yakkety: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=yakkety&keywords=linux-image-generic
[09:58] <alkisg> OK so now you have 3 kernels, and you say that only one of them works, the 4.8.1 one?
[09:59] <DagDaWildDog> .22 works as well, but it won't auto-boot to .22 because .26 is newer
[09:59] <DagDaWildDog> that's why I got .1
[09:59] <alkisg> You can change the grub menu easily
[09:59] <alkisg> And default to .22
[09:59] <alkisg> Or, you can remove the .26 and keep the stock one
[10:00] <alkisg> When a kernel > 4.8.1 is installed by ubuntu, then it will default to that one
[10:01] <DagDaWildDog> hm, at this point I think it's probably good to let that happen when it happens then (based on vague idea of 4.8.1 probably being better than <IP_ADDRESS> in some way)
[10:01] <DagDaWildDog> how can I remove .26 just in case?
[10:01] <alkisg> It's best to have a maintained kernel, from some repository that gets security updates
[10:01] <DagDaWildDog> ah, so you would use 0.22 and delete both 0.26 and .1.0?
[10:02] <alkisg> If you apt-get purge the .26 one, it will also remove the linux-image-generic metapackage, and you won't get newer kernels, and will keep the .22 one
[10:02] <alkisg> Personally I would change the grub menu
[10:02] <alkisg> So that I would default to .22, and then when some newer one is out, I would manually test via grub the newer one, and if it's ok, then I would delete the .22
[10:03] <alkisg> One very easy hack for you: sudo rm /boot/vmlinuz-26; sudo update-grub :)
[10:03] <DagDaWildDog> how would you notice the newer one came out?
[10:03] <alkisg> Automatic updates
[10:03] <alkisg> It would automatically appear on grub menu
[10:03] <DagDaWildDog> ah, ok
[10:04] <alkisg> Actually the rm hack is better because when a new kernel is out, you will default to that one immediately and see if the issue is fixed
[10:04] <alkisg> So yup I suggest that you apt-get purge the 4.8.1, you rm /boot/vmlinuz-26, and then update-grub
[10:04] <DagDaWildDog> okay, cool, will do!
[10:05] <alkisg> np
[10:06] <DagDaWildDog> how about cp /boot/*26* /home/kernelbak/ and then rm those
[10:06] <alkisg> No need, you can just apt-get install --reinstall
[10:06] <alkisg> Don't remove everything there; just the vmlinuz-26 file
[10:06] <DagDaWildDog> ah, ok
[10:06] <alkisg> Then it will disappear from the grub menu
[10:06] <alkisg> (after update-grub)
[10:07] <alkisg> sudo rm /boot/vmlinuz-4.8.0-26-generic; sudo update-grub
[10:07] <alkisg> Something like that
[10:07] <alkisg> (after purging the 4.8.1 package)
[10:07] <DagDaWildDog> I regret making /boot/ only 200 mb , oh well :)
[10:07]  * alkisg hates separate boot partitions :D
[10:08] <DagDaWildDog> I did it using the Gentoo guide because I hate how auto partition usually puts /home/ on the fast part of the disk
[10:08] <DagDaWildDog> and / and swap go later
[10:09] <alkisg> It does?!
[10:09] <alkisg> Generally, /home should be on the fast part of the disk
[10:09] <alkisg> But I don't think Ubuntu does a separate /home by default
[10:09] <alkisg> It just creates a / and a swap
[10:09] <DagDaWildDog> well if you choose separate home
[10:09] <DagDaWildDog> maybe actually ubuntu doesn't
[10:09] <DagDaWildDog> I tried Debian first
[10:09] <alkisg>  / is mostly read-only so it's cached so it doesn't need to be fast
[10:09] <alkisg> and swap should not be used at all by default, so it doesn't need to be fast
[10:10] <DagDaWildDog> nothing worked in debian, so here we are in ubuntu
[10:10] <alkisg> So /home is the partition that needs to be the faster one
[10:10] <DagDaWildDog> interesting, okay
[10:10] <alkisg> Debian/Ubuntu is basically the same, just the painting is different...
[10:10] <DagDaWildDog> I think of /home as storage and / as where programs launch from so I want it fast
[10:11] <DagDaWildDog> well in Debian even with contrib nonfree, drivers were a disaster
[10:11] <DagDaWildDog> spent a few hours tryong to get wifi
[10:11] <DagDaWildDog> using an ethernet cable of course, not disks
[10:11] <DagDaWildDog> pop in ubuntu CD, bang everything works
[10:11] <alkisg> Yeah it does have some packages that are not installed by default and you need to look for them
[10:12] <DagDaWildDog> I think video driver was also minor trouble, but I got that sorted
[10:12] <alkisg> it's nothing hard, just an apt-get install away, but it can be very frustrating for users that don't know which ones they are
[10:12] <alkisg> Mostly proprietary firmware files
[10:13] <DagDaWildDog> yeah, i installed so many drivers
[10:14] <DagDaWildDog> it's Killer Wireless on alienware 15, I debated maybe copying the drivers from this install, over to debian, but why leave a system that's working mostly fine
[10:15] <alkisg> lspci --nn -k | grep -A2 Wireless => shows you the driver in use
[10:15] <alkisg> And then in the debian package search, you search for that firmware
[10:15] <alkisg> You almost never need to copy drivers, you just need to install them from the debian/ubuntu repositories
[10:17] <DagDaWildDog> ah, yes
[10:17] <DagDaWildDog> ath10k
[10:17] <DagDaWildDog> I totally downloaded that!
[10:18] <DagDaWildDog> I must have installed it wrong
[10:18] <DagDaWildDog> who knows
[10:18] <DagDaWildDog> it wasn't in the repository though afaik
[10:18] <DagDaWildDog> just ath9something
[10:18] <dumpchama> alkisg: i have xorg.0: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23373843/ and xorg.1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23373845/
[10:19] <dumpchama> also I tried dmesg but i'm not sure what to be looking for in that either?
[10:22] <DagDaWildDog> dumpchama, you are usually looking for lines with (EE) in them
[10:31] <dumpchama> that's strange, I used search function for EE and there are no results...
[10:31] <dumpchama> other than the start which says that EE is for error
[10:33] <DagDaWildDog> ah, dang. I had that once. ended up the error was in an unexpected file... but maybe you're not having a true full strength Error that gets an EE in the log. I hope more experienced persons have ideas for you
[10:34] <DagDaWildDog> in my case, I did have an (EE) it just was in a different file than the two I was looking in
[10:35] <DagDaWildDog> (brb, restarting to older kernel... say a prayer for me :)
[11:35] <manjaro> alkisg, bad idea to purge 4.8.1
[11:35] <manjaro> now I have to get it back, without a gui :P
[11:35] <manjaro> .22 can't start lightdm or x or something now either haha
[13:28] <linuxtux> hola
[15:24] <Jakey3> how do i remove programs in ubuntu mate 16.04 in the gui?
[15:27] <Jakey3> I can see software boutique but I cant see how to unistall software
[15:27] <nomic> use synaptic
[15:27] <nomic> tool .. you right click on a package & select "remove , remove all files"
[15:28] <nomic> synaptic (to install) = sudo apt-get install synaptic
[15:28] <nomic> synaptic = simple, overall package management index
[15:28] <nomic> search for the package in search bar, click to install, remove
[15:28] <Jakey3> nomic,  so there is nothing to remove applications that comes with ubuntu mate
[15:28] <Jakey3> i.e. software boutique
[15:28] <nomic> that is what i use, what I am aware of -- I have no idea what software boutique is
[15:28] <nomic> sorry
[15:29] <nomic> ask either in #ubuntu (more populous), or on the forum -- the forum is extremely busy
[15:29] <nomic> = ubuntu forums, mate forums
[15:29] <Jakey3> ok thanks
[15:30] <nomic> people tend ot use a subset (older users) -- I am unaware of any "features" , really,  -- I use the simple, most basic facilities, fundamental -- of which "synaptic" is one.  Always there, always works
[15:31] <nomic> bells n whistles do not interest me .. why I like mate/xubuntu -- the OS is not an issue, it is unfussy
[15:31] <nomic> none of this periodic upheaval (as with windows)
[15:35] <Jakey3> nomic, im using lubuntu previously they had the software center
[15:35] <Jakey3> made it easy to unistall programs
[15:35] <Jakey3> i was wondering if there is an equivalent
[15:35] <Jakey3> on mate
[16:17] <jaythelinuxguy> Jakey3, as nomic mentioned, Synaptic is your best bet for what you're seeking.
[16:40] <josemi85> hola
[16:40] <Jakey3> jaythelinuxguy, ok
[18:28] <vkadam> Hell
[18:28] <vkadam> Hello Everyone
[18:40] <jaythelinuxguy> Hi vkadam


[00:17] <diddledan> late dindins
[00:18] <daftykins> midnight is pretty late!
[00:20]  * penguin42 would love to know who CPC sold most of their christmas stuff to
[00:24] <daftykins> are they out of stock of it already?
[00:26] <penguin42> no, it's just they have these catalogues of it and well I'm confused who they sell to
[00:28] <diddledan> cpc have a weird product mix.. like ebuyer
[00:29] <diddledan> last ebuyer email I remember reading, they were like "look at this awesome graphics card.. and this huge pc monitor.. and this hair curler .. and this massive hard disc"
[00:30] <daftykins> wow i haven't even visited ebuyer in forever, i think i went off them because they started stinging us for shipping
[00:34] <diddledan> daftykins: look what your brethren are up to across the water: https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/06/apple-jersey-tax-haven/
[00:35] <daftykins> ikr
[00:35] <daftykins> pesky Crapauds
[00:35] <daftykins> (what we call the Jersey folk)
[00:35] <diddledan> :-)
[00:36] <daftykins> i'm sure Guernsey has a tonne of such secrets though
[00:36] <diddledan> I swear "double irish" just sounds like a very strong coffee
[00:36] <penguin42> someone in another window suggested it sounded a lot more erm.....dodgy
[00:37] <diddledan> ooherr. I wouldn't have ever thought such things myself
[00:37] <diddledan> I'm pure and innocent
[00:38] <daftykins> ugh DDR4 prices are insane compared to when i did my new build last year, i got 32GB RAM then for £90
[00:38] <daftykins> now i'm seeing £130 for 16GB
[00:39] <diddledan> wow
[00:39] <diddledan> that has gone up
[00:39] <daftykins> mmhmm
[00:39] <daftykins> 2x
[00:40] <diddledan> almost as bad as the hard drives after thailand flooding
[00:40] <daftykins> ah yeah i remember that, was that ~2007? i forget
[00:40] <diddledan> I think it was 2011
[00:41] <diddledan> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/oct/25/thailand-floods-hard-drive-shortage
[00:41] <diddledan> I warned my friends and family off from buying hard drives that xmas
[00:42] <daftykins> :>
[00:42] <daftykins> good memory, i always forget the 'when' of tech
[00:42] <diddledan> I only remember the when because facebook reminded me earlier :-p
[00:42] <daftykins> XD
[00:42] <daftykins> in what form?
[00:43] <diddledan> my warning to folk about avoiding it was highlighted as a "remember what you posted this day in 2011"
[00:43] <daftykins> ah har
[00:45] <diddledan> sounds like an important update coming soon: iOS 11.2 addresses an animation bug in the Calculator app that caused some numbers and symbols to be ignored when entered in rapid succession. The update removes the animations from the calculator app so calculations can be done quickly with no need to pause between entering numbers to obtain the correct result.
[00:45] <daftykins> heh yeah saw that one
[00:45] <daftykins> not as major as the time Google forgot an entire month in the calendar in Android though
[00:46] <diddledan> hah I don't remember that one
[00:47] <daftykins> might've been 4.0 ICS
[00:47] <diddledan> 'According to DisplayMate, the iPhone X has the "most innovative and high performance" smartphone display it has ever tested'
[00:47] <diddledan> which is strange when it's a samsung panel
[00:48] <penguin42> I think Sammy displays section are quite happy to sell them whatever they ask for
[00:49] <daftykins> i saw a piece earlier claiming the X is also the most easily damaged ever
[00:49] <ali1234> daftykins: 32GB is over £300 on scan now
[00:49] <ali1234> was £110 18 months ago
[00:49] <daftykins> then minus VAT for rock dwellers
[00:49] <daftykins> :>
[00:49] <diddledan> bloomin barnacles
[00:50] <diddledan> that's not a word I write often.. I have no idea if I spelt it anywhere near correct
[00:50] <daftykins> seems alright
[00:50] <diddledan> barnicles mebbe
[00:50] <ali1234> £101.60 to £329.99
[00:51] <ali1234> from 25th june 2016
[00:51] <ali1234> to today
[00:51] <daftykins> daym
[00:52] <ali1234> i7 6700 went from £259.40 to £285.98
[00:53] <ali1234> its also two generations out of date now
[00:53] <daftykins> mmhmm
[00:53] <diddledan> damn. my cpu is old already?!
[00:54] <daftykins> d'aww we're CPU brothers, that's mine too
[00:54] <diddledan> 1 goddamn year and it's obsolete
[00:54] <daftykins> bah not really
[00:55]  * diddledan raids the piggy
[00:55] <daftykins> i did a little low end price-up for fun as if i were to upgrade my server's core 2 duo parts, the RAM price really kills it for me
[00:57] <diddledan> oops: "Asking Siri something like "What's the temperature?" or "What's the weather?" or "Is it raining?" causes the Apple Watch to crash."
[00:58] <diddledan> I could try to find you an old goat if you don't like the ram?
[00:58] <ali1234> i want to do a build around this https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asrock-j3160tm-itx-quad-core-intel-j3160-16ghz-ddr3-ddr3l-intel-hd-graphics-400-sata3-gbe-usb-30-thi
[00:58] <ali1234> but i can't find a suitable case
[00:59] <ali1234> it needs to have 1 pci slot and no power supply
[01:01] <daftykins> diddledan: i feel a bit sheepish about that suggestion
[01:03] <diddledan> yikes. apple got 10Beeeleon dollarydoos PROFIT! in the last quarter
[01:06] <daftykins> Look Around You taught me that numbers don't even go that high!
[01:08] <diddledan> qualcomm and apple are really going in for the dingdong: https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/02/qualcomm-apple-lawsuit-helping-intel/
[01:08] <diddledan> YAFL (Yet Another F Lawsuit)
[01:09] <daftykins> and if Broadcom gets their way and acquires them to create an evil SoC overlord, we'll be in for a Godzilla like clash of the titans
[01:21] <diddledan> https://www.androidcentral.com/ten-years-ago-androids-first-public-beta-was-released
[01:22] <daftykins> :D
[01:23] <daftykins> so long ago Sergey hadn't discovered haircuts
[05:53] <MooDoo> howdy all
[10:19] <SuperMatt> NEW JERB
[10:25] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: grat\
[10:25] <MooDoo> gratz
[10:25] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: what ?
[10:32] <SuperMatt> Yelp
[10:34] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: cool, well done :)
[10:36] <SuperMatt> Thanks :)
[10:36] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: so how much does a tea boy get nowa days? ;)
[10:36] <SuperMatt> 11p/hr
[10:37] <MooDoo> sweet, i'll apply that's 10p more than I'm currently getting lol
[10:42] <Laney> and free tea!
[11:04] <MooDoo> woohoo free tea
[12:35] <diddledan> what about biscuits?!
[12:41] <SuperMatt> They've hired someone else for biscuits
[12:52] <penguin42> eating or making?
[12:53] <SuperMatt> serving
[13:11]  * penguin42 just gets them out of the packet
[15:58] <brobostigon> afternoon boys and girls.
[15:59] <penguin42> hey
[16:00] <brobostigon> hey
[19:25] <NET||abuse> hey guys, i've been running ubuntu 17.10 desktop for a week, gnome on wayland or x i'm getting frequent screen freezes, i wait a little bit and it refreshes.
[19:26] <NET||abuse> is there some known, bugginess in gnome 3.26?,
[19:27] <daftykins> ah the perils of non-LTS
[19:31] <NET||abuse> i'm getting similar freezing occasionally on 3.26 on arch also
[19:32] <penguin42> the waits sound odd, I'd do a dmesg and see if there are any moans
[23:36] <penguin42> hmph, the gritter truck is out
[23:38] <daftykins> is that nasty -10 deg C snap headed your way?
[23:38] <penguin42> I hope it's not going to be that cold
[23:40] <daftykins> saw it on a newspaper headline the other day, but not sure where it meant, maybe the outer hebrides :>
[23:43] <penguin42> metoffice is only showing as low as 2c at about 7am


[00:27] <falcojr> beantaxi: excitement is good! If you're feeling especially ambitious, this PR could also use an integration test. Docs are at https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/integration_tests.html and current tests live at tests/integration_tests


[06:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:47] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:40] <daftykins> nicomachus: o hai
[14:14] <nicomachus> daftykins: have you ever used mopidy on any of your setups?
[14:14] <nicomachus> or do you do music through Kodi too?
[14:16] <daftykins> very rarely play music through Kodi, but when i do i just use a standard samba mount and the library, or even file mode
[14:28] <nicomachus> I set up mopidy on my HTPC at home and it's super nice to be able to build playlists with local files, spotify, and Youtube all together. But setting it up on my laptop was a different story.. Lol
[14:30] <daftykins> hmm, still don't touch any streaming services myself, got a Pi in my lounge pretending to be a logitech squeezebox so i can play music from my local collection controlled from my phone
[14:32] <nicomachus> mopidy does a cool MusicBox for Pi
[14:35] <daftykins> sounds like it could be useful if you go near streaming services, but just reinventing the wheel for me
[16:06] <ducasse> \o daftykins
[16:07] <ducasse> i use mpd on my pi for much the same thing you use yours for - control playback of local files through phone. brilliant stuff.
[16:08] <ducasse> looked at mopidy, but have zero need for spotify et al...
[16:57] <nicomachus> ducasse: that's really the only reason to do mopidy over mpd. The plugins are nice, but if you don't need them then you don't need mopidy.
[16:57] <nicomachus> But I gotta say, it's awfully cool to be able to build a playlist with tracks from Spotify, Soundcloud, YouTube, and local.
[16:58] <nicomachus> And it just plays them as if there's no difference in source.
[17:00] <ducasse> nicomachus: yes, but there are other plugins than those from streaming services that can be useful iirc, and configuration can be nicer than mpd. in the end i settled on mpd as it does what i need with little to no hassle, though.
[17:02] <nicomachus> yea, it has plugins for almost every streaming service. Google Play Music is a big one for a lot of people, but I don't use that.
[17:05] <ducasse> i only use local files, ripped from a massive cd/lp collection. been thinking of using one for mobile, but swappable sd cards work as well :)
[17:05] <immu> hi ducasse
[17:07] <nicomachus> ducasse: if only my phone still supported SD... next one is definitely going to have to. I miss it too much.
[17:10] <ducasse> well, microsd actually, but still. yes, it's a must for me. too bad so many are skimping on it.
[17:17] <nicomachus> "oh, just use our Cloud service! it's only $14.99 (per month)!"
[17:21] <ducasse> also, i'd need to pay for mobile data to actually stream the music, or constantly download/delete stuff
[17:22] <nicomachus> no no no, data is unlimited*!
[17:22] <nicomachus> (*fees may apply after the first 100mb)
[17:23] <ducasse> yeah, those footnotes always mean something nice is coming :)