[12:23] <RussianNeuroManc> In 3.6.34rc7 deb-s no firmware rt3071.bin
[12:23] <RussianNeuroManc> It's packaging bug?
[12:23] <RussianNeuroManc> Or I can report about this problem to bugzilla.kernel.org?
[12:25] <jk-> RussianNeuroManc: it's not an upstream bug; the firmware is shipped in the linux-firmware package
[12:26] <jk-> (which looks like it doesn't contain the rt3071 file)
[12:27] <RussianNeuroManc> Yes, it's not contain it,
[12:27]  * jk- looks for it in the upstream repo
[12:28] <RussianNeuroManc> I trying rt3071.bin from firmware-ralink and from ralink website - both variants not work.
[12:28] <RussianNeuroManc> (firmware-ralink it's Debian package)
[18:30] <rphlx> hey.. any docs on how to build a 2.6.33+ kernel for lucid server?
[18:32] <rphlx> i tried the kernel.org tree, but lots of crashes during early startup.. seems like ubuntu init expects a custom kernel


[17:48] <krytarik> Eickmeyer: Regarding your latest -default-settings commit, while amending the commands for testing here due to not having any lowlatency kernels installed.. '_lowLatencyKernels=$(ls /boot/vmlinuz-*); _lowLatencyArray=("${_lowLatencyKernels[@]}"); echo "${_lowLatencyArray[-1]}"' outputs "/boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-2-amd64" and "/boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-3-amd64" here, while just ...
[17:48] <krytarik> ... '_lowLatencyKernels=(/boot/vmlinuz-*); echo "${_lowLatencyKernels[-1]}"' correctly outputs "/boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-3-amd64" - also you wrote "lastest" in the comment. XD
[17:49] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: Ooops
[17:50] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: No? It uses ls /boot/vmlinuz-*-lowlatency
[17:50] <Eickmeyer> back later
[17:51] <krytarik> The point being you can just skip 'ls' here and put the file paths in an array directly.
[17:54] <krytarik> And due to the quoting you are doing in the middle step currently, the whole 'ls' output ends up as a single element in the array.
[17:58] <krytarik> Which also makes the result completely invalid as an argument to the 'touch' command, because it contains a newline character in between those two file paths as in my case.
[18:01] <krytarik> ls: cannot access '/boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-2-amd64'$'\n''/boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-3-amd64': No such file or directory -- like this, while just using 'ls' for testing here of course.
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: I understand I could avoid LS, but I use shellcheck for best practices and it says that's not a good idea.
[18:38] <Eickmeyer> Either way, removed the quote which should fix the problem. BUT, I will not remove ls.
[18:42] <krytarik> Interesting that shellcheck differs there on what's otherwise pretty widely known as bad practice.. :3
[18:46] <Eickmeyer> Everyone has different coding styles. :P
[18:53] <krytarik> I mean a glob like "/boot/vmlinuz-*-lowlatency" on its own already gets expanded to any paths that actually exist, and throwing in a command to list them so the output can be parsed back into the bare paths just makes things unnecessarily inefficient and more error-prone..
[18:55] <krytarik> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10981439/reading-filenames-into-an-array - example commentary on this I've just found.
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> Very weird that shellcheck doesn't recognize that.
[22:05] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: I did your thing, it works, pushed.
[22:05] <Eickmeyer> And shellcheck liked it this time.
[22:07] <krytarik> Huh..
[22:11] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, before I was leaving a $ before the ( which caused it to freak.
[22:11] <Eickmeyer> So, mea culpa.
[22:12] <krytarik> Ah yeah, that makes sense then!


[09:30] <xnox> infinity, bah. we should fix that probably, somehow.
[13:15] <xnox> cjwatson, would you mind merging https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/debian-cd/s390x-el-torito/+merge/283798 and re-spinning s390x server image?
[13:24] <cjwatson> xnox: done
[13:25] <xnox> cjwatson, thank you.
[14:54] <cyphermox> xnox: infinity: not sure it's a failed merge anymore; s390 didn't really change
[14:54] <cyphermox> and amd64 doesn't look like it prompts for the kernels
[16:54] <infinity> cyphermox: Oh.  If amd64 doesn't have the bug (you implied that it did), then it's just a failure to write a proper kernel selection case in base-installer for Ubuntu.
[16:56] <infinity> s/for Ubuntu/for Ubuntu s390x/
[17:09] <xnox> cjwatson, would you please add me to ~ubuntu-cdimage such that i can manage bug statuses for the s390x bugs in e.g. ubuntu-cdimage project? I promise to do good.
[17:12] <xnox> or could somebody please reset https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1536981 to trianged.
[17:13] <cyphermox> infinity: right
[17:13] <cyphermox> infinity: what I did was say that I had seen that debconf question pop up somewhere
[17:15] <cyphermox> looking back at amd64.sh, I don't see how it could possibly happen there, it doesn't look like it changed at all since the previous merge.
[17:15] <cyphermox> (and it's very different from the s390x logic there)
[17:24] <xnox> cyphermox, the s390x logic looks obsolete, as ubuntu never supported tape, and debian dropped tape support.
[17:25] <xnox> i'd say there is only one kernel for s390x, in both ubuntu and debian.
[17:26] <cjwatson> xnox: reset the bug status since I don't remember OTTOMH precisely what that team grants :)
[17:26] <xnox> cjwatson, ha ha =) fair enough.
[17:37] <cyphermox> xnox: it's a merge from debian, it should be pretty close to what debian currently has
[17:38] <xnox> cyphermox, i'm tryng somet out. Whilst true all our $arch tings for kernel are different from deban, a we name everryhing differently. So adjusting s390x appropriately.
[17:39] <cyphermox> just arch_get_kernel is really wrong
[17:39] <xnox> cyphermox, i think this should do http://paste.ubuntu.com/14664998/
[17:40] <cyphermox> just arch_get_kernel needs a change ;)
[17:40] <xnox> cyphermox, true.
[17:40] <cyphermox> or, maybe arch_check_usable_kernel too
[17:41] <xnox> and tests.
[17:41] <cyphermox> but arch_get_kernel_flavor shouldn't change
[17:41] <cyphermox> well, yeah, the tests
[17:41] <xnox> well. is this a bikeshed? =) i copied what we do for ppc64el. and it's our kernels.
[17:48] <infinity> xnox: Why are you listing generic in unusable?
[17:50] <infinity> Oh.  You're not.  I can't read.
[17:50] <infinity> But you need to also include linux-generic
[17:50] <infinity> Above it.
[17:51] <infinity> Which I note ppc64el doesn't.  I wonder if that's my bug.
[17:52] <cyphermox> your bug?
[17:52] <infinity> As in, I probably wrote the ppc64el bits.
[17:52] <infinity> Which don't seem to match what amd64 do.
[17:53] <infinity> That's just the testsuite anyway.  I guess if it passes, it passes.
[17:58] <infinity> xnox: Right.  Nevermind my comments.  Should be fine as-is.  Just drop the unnecessary change to arch_get_kernel_flavour and you should be golden.


 @Weslerson, Hi! This is a English support channel, for support in Portuguese, you can search for Ubuntu Brazil team channel
[06:31] <aftrshock> hi. I last used Kubunto in 2008. I want to try it again. I'm planning on a Win 10 / 17.10 dual boot, with W10 already installed. is it necessary to set partitions in W10 before installation or will the Kubuntu installer offer the option (I seem to remember installing Ubuntu in 2012 and it handled it, in the installer). Thanks
[06:31] <dax> the Kubuntu installer can handle it
[06:31] <aftrshock> TY
[06:32] <aftrshock> I've got it in a USB key, reboot into BIOS and set (E:) as first boot , correct?
[06:32] <aftrshock> *Kubuntu sorry
[06:35] <dax> depends on your firmware, but yes something like that
[06:36] <aftrshock> ok
[06:36] <aftrshock> Does Plama come pre packaged with 17.10 or will I need to install it?
[06:36] <aftrshock> *Plasma
[06:37] <dax> Kubuntu uses Plasma out of the box, that's kinda the point
[06:41] <aftrshock> alright
[06:42] <aftrshock> the guide on ubuntubuzz makes it sound I like I need to partition before I even start the isntallation if my goal is a dual boot
[09:10] <aftrshock> Hi. I used rufus to make my boot USB, I set my BIOS to boot legacy USB first, it worked fine, unforunately it booted into the artful aarvark wallpaper (blank) and got stuck there. I read this is due to the tool I used to write the .iso to USB, is that correct?
[09:48] <otomo> Hi could someone with Kubuntu 17.10 verify if this sha1sum its correct for tcpd:
[09:49] <otomo> f4d0343ed2ad94ab33de1e4b59e6e045e28070d8  /usr/sbin/tcpd
[09:49] <otomo> or where I could find myself the original sha1sum of tcpd to compare
[09:49] <otomo> thanks
[10:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[15:28] <verdooft> Hello.
[15:48] <kaddi> i just started kile and it says "the standard tool list need to be reloaded because of the switch from kde3 to kde4. This will overwrite any changes in the tools you have made".. I'm running 17.10 and what I thought was KDE5, is Kile no longer being maintained?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> kaddi, afaict kile is still using kde4 dependencies
[15:52] <BluesKaj> but it's till listed in the repos
[15:52] <BluesKaj> still
[15:53] <kaddi> poor kile.. all good things come to an end
[15:53] <acheronuk> AFAIK there is works at KDE towards a Qt5 port, but not a stable release of that yet
[15:54] <kaddi> it's a great program, would be a pity to lose it really
[15:54] <acheronuk> work in progress: https://cgit.kde.org/kile.git/log/
[15:55] <acheronuk> so hopefully soon a new version
[15:55] <kaddi> :)
[18:04] <afrtshock> Last night I tried to install Kubuntu dual boot with Win 10, and I used Rufus to write the .iso to USB stick. I booted off the USB stick, it got to the Aardvark wallpaper (blank) and froze. I read this is become of the app (Rufus) that wrote the .iso. Does that sound right? I must use a different app? Windows won't let me burn a DVDR cause it says there's no disc in the drive.
[21:58] <mparillo> I have never used Rufus, but I have heard it is most successful in dd mode.
[22:21] <kulo> Hello anyone around?
[22:24] <kulo> I've used Rufus, I prefer it to unetbootin


[05:21] <Kilos> morning all
[05:23] <Cantide> afternoon all~
[05:23] <Kilos> yo Cantide
[05:23] <Cantide> yo :p
[05:23] <Cantide> hoe gannit?
[05:23] <Cantide> Lo
[05:23] <Cantide> :p
[05:24] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[05:24] <Cantide> i'm good :)
[05:24] <Cantide> sipping coffee in the internet cafe...
[05:24] <Kilos> enjoying the job?
[05:24] <Cantide> it's raining today
[05:24] <Cantide> yeah '-'
[05:24] <Cantide> getting easier and more fun, too
[05:24] <Cantide> how are things in SA?
[05:24] <Kilos> do they call you teach?
[05:25] <Kilos> things here pretty much the same, except everyone seems to be getting busier by the day
[05:25] <Cantide> i had a student who kept calling me sir last night
[05:25] <Cantide> drove me crazy
[05:28] <Kilos> hahaha
[05:28] <Kilos> you prefer him call you miss?
[05:28] <Cantide> hahahaha
[05:28] <Cantide> i dislike formal titles
[05:29] <Cantide> even being called "teacher" is annoying
[05:29] <Cantide> i have a name, use it :p
[05:29] <Kilos> thats part of the education system, gotta respect teacher
[05:30] <Cantide> sure
[05:30] <Cantide> there are other ways to show respect :)
[05:31] <Kilos> ya baas
[05:32] <Cantide> yes, chief
[05:32] <Cantide> haha
[05:32] <Kilos> haha
[05:32] <Kilos> si senor
[05:32] <Cantide> haha
[05:46] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn howsit?
[05:49] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos ... you up early
[05:49] <Kilos> no man its nearly 8am
[05:51] <nlsthzn> exactly
[05:52] <Kilos> oh, am i normally later?
[05:52] <Kilos> oh my
[05:56] <nlsthzn> dunno
[05:57] <nlsthzn> :p
[06:01] <Kilos> hehe
[06:01] <Kilos> all good there nlsthzn ?
[06:02] <Kilos> no ahab flue got you
[06:02] <Kilos> flu too
[06:07] <nlsthzn> nope
[06:07] <nlsthzn> and I start my leave today :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
[06:08] <Kilos> lekker
[06:08] <nlsthzn> so I am half asleep and very happy
[06:08] <Kilos> haha
[06:08] <Kilos> thats good, enjoy
[06:15] <nlsthzn> I must ... been a tough one this year...
[06:15] <Kilos> eish and next one most likely worse
[06:16] <Kilos> peeps just seem to get more and more work but no more time
[07:27] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[07:31] <kbmonkey> greets o/
[07:31] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[07:36] <kbmonkey> whats up doc?
[07:44] <Kilos> all same
[07:46] <Kilos> libreoffice writer is massive. weeks of reading and years before understanding seeps in
[07:46] <Kilos> all new words for things
[07:46] <Kilos> yo JoTraGo
[07:47] <Kilos> hows you kbmonkey ?
[07:52] <kbmonkey> fine Kilos - had nightmares again. same old story.
[07:52] <kbmonkey> yes writer is massive phew
[07:52] <Kilos> oh my
[07:53] <kbmonkey> you know neil stephenson uses a text editor to write his books :p lol
[07:53] <Kilos> haha i used scribus and managed to make a cover
[07:53] <Kilos> but dunno how to get the cover to office writer
[07:53] <Kilos> who is he?
[07:55] <kbmonkey> he writes fiction. good books. wartime cryptoanalysis and hackers type stuff
[07:55] <Kilos> and covers?
[07:56] <Kilos> like with a pic on?
[07:57] <kbmonkey> yes man. when the story is finished it gets edited into formatting after.
[07:57] <Kilos> eish thats the hard part
[07:57] <kbmonkey> yes!
[07:58] <Kilos> i have my booklet but dunno how to do that stuff
[07:58] <Kilos> grrr
[07:58] <kbmonkey> you can read a very nice story he wrote about microsoft, apple and gnu linux here
[07:58] <kbmonkey> http://www.cryptonomicon.com/command.zip
[07:58] <Kilos> ask him to write one on how to write one
[07:58] <Kilos> hehe
[07:59] <Kilos> called command.zip?
[08:00] <Kilos> ai!
[08:00] <kbmonkey> yes
[08:00] <kbmonkey> "in the beginning was the command line"
[08:00] <kbmonkey> that is wahat it is called
[08:00] <kbmonkey> 80kb
[08:01] <Kilos> haha i have it here ty
[08:01] <Kilos> 81KB
[08:01] <kbmonkey> yw. I think you will like it. It also talks about cars.
[08:01] <Kilos> lol
[08:01] <Trixar_za> In the beginning was sex change operations
[08:01] <Kilos> no time to read anything but writer how to
[08:02] <kbmonkey> what does that have to do with the price of apples Trixar_za ? :P
[08:02] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za whats happening with you os
[08:02] <kbmonkey> when you take a break from the writer docs Kilos
[08:02] <Trixar_za> I still have to work on it
[08:02] <Trixar_za> Been messing with an IRCd instead
[08:02] <Kilos> what you been doing?
[08:02] <Trixar_za> It uses the same base as what freenode is running actually
[08:02] <Kilos> whats ircd
[08:03] <Trixar_za> IRC daemon - It's the IRC Server
[08:03] <Kilos> oh
[08:03] <Kilos> you dont like freenode?
[08:03] <Trixar_za> No, I just don't like some of the things the IRCd does
[08:03] <Trixar_za> so I'm messing with it
[08:04] <Kilos> you must chat to charl he is doing something to do with a secure irc something or other
[08:04] <Trixar_za> It's one of the fun parts about open source code
[08:04] <Trixar_za> :P
[08:04] <Kilos> and he needs recomendations he said
[08:04] <Kilos> or help
[08:10] <Trixar_za> It's just not flexible enough
[08:11] <Trixar_za> I can't change around modes or even op symbols without breaking it
[08:11] <Trixar_za> I need something else
[08:11] <Kilos> eish
[08:12] <Kilos> there are peeps in durbs looking for a clever guy
[08:13] <Kilos> ai! ticked wrong thing
[08:14] <kbmonkey> lol, click click click
[08:15] <Kilos> i forget i dont have mail open then open it on top of xchat and try kill it quick and end up killing xchat too
[08:15] <Trixar_za> Yeah, like Bill Gates didn't steal the idea with Unix
[08:15] <Kilos> sigh
[08:16] <Trixar_za> or Unix's predecessors
[08:18] <Trixar_za> I kind of doubt I'll finish this
[08:18] <Trixar_za> I couldn't even finish one of Neal Stephenson's books
[08:19] <Trixar_za> He tends to make reality breaking errors in his stories - like he didn't research it properly
[08:19] <Trixar_za> So I instantly doubt most things he authors :P
[08:20] <kbmonkey> nothing in this world comes without a little imagination Trixar_za
[08:20] <Kilos> oh yes
[08:20] <Kilos> office writer
[08:21] <Trixar_za> Yes, but that's like saying the genius that wrote Hackers (which the movie is based on) did great work in his research. He didn't and I could barely finish the book, much less the movie. Actually the movie was easy because it had Angelina Jolie in it
[08:22] <Kilos> lol
[08:22] <Trixar_za> Imagination can only get you so far. And it gets you slaughtered in Science Fiction
[08:24] <Trixar_za> It's also not a straight forward story about how OSes came into being. Depending on where you start and what you define as an OS, it can have very different beginnings.
[08:43] <Kilos> ai! footers headers landscape stuff
[08:43] <Kilos> sigh
[08:43] <Trixar_za> http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/hacker-history/hacker-history-3.html
[08:43] <Trixar_za> Got me reading it again
[08:43] <Trixar_za> lol
[08:45] <Kilos> kbmonkey, why dont they just say cover page instead of all the funny stuff
[08:45] <kbmonkey> Trixar_za, many technologies today were just imaginings in science fiction, including space flight, laptops and computers built into your eyewear. Don't tell me imagination can only get you so far! ;}
[08:46] <Kilos> i must go back to my school and ask for my money back
[08:46] <kbmonkey> it is the basis of science fiction
[08:46] <Kilos> they didnt teach me this modern language
[08:46]  * Kilos loves scifi books
[08:46] <kbmonkey> what funny stuff do they say instead of cover page Kilos ?
[08:47] <Trixar_za> Yeah, but Neal Stephenson has a post-apocalyptic world where Apartheid is still strong and is even one of the 'groups' in the city our courier friend lives in
[08:47] <Kilos> all the stuff about styles and that stuff. nowhere does it say your cover page
[08:48] <Trixar_za> Oh and she rides around on a skateboard while shooting a grappling gun at moving cars and trucks to get where she wants to go
[08:48] <Kilos> lol
[08:49] <kbmonkey> awe, just make your own cover page. big words, center page.
[08:49] <Trixar_za> This was around 1992 - but still, kind of a shitty 'future' he created
[08:49] <Kilos> thats energy saving in action
[08:49] <Kilos> i cant even make the big words man
[08:49] <Trixar_za> Although I was semi-pissed off at his portray of South Africans
[08:50] <kbmonkey> it is not post-apocalyptic, it is Dystopian / Orwellian
[08:50] <Trixar_za> Oh no, 1984 is a classic
[08:51] <kbmonkey> yup
[08:51] <Trixar_za> Snow Crash was just bad
[08:51] <Trixar_za> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash
[08:54] <Trixar_za> I still say Neuromancer is the best cyberpunk book ever written
[08:54] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you are looking for a cover page template in writer?
[08:54] <Trixar_za> Which, incidentally, did come out in 1984
[08:54] <kbmonkey> try your hand at making one
[08:54] <Trixar_za> :P
[08:54] <Kilos> yes kbmonkey
[08:54] <Kilos> ai!
[08:55] <Kilos> 3 wodrs and a pic
[08:55] <Kilos> words
[08:55] <kbmonkey> 1984 was actually about 1948, if you never caught onto that.
[08:57] <Trixar_za> Most writers create some social commentary in their work
[08:57] <Trixar_za> Animal Farm was the same
[09:00] <Trixar_za> Actually, I'm pretty sure politics still works like that
[09:05] <kbmonkey> yes indeed.
[09:41] <charl_> good morning
[09:41] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:41]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[09:45] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[09:45] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[09:55] <Kilos> hi charl_
[10:32] <Kilos> kbmonkey, im enjoying that book ty
[10:47] <charl_> hi Kilos
[10:47] <charl_> Kilos: how's it going
[10:48] <Kilos> good ty and you charl_
[10:48] <Kilos> busy reading this http://www.cryptonomicon.com/command.zip
[10:48] <charl_> i'm good, just tired
[10:49] <charl_> cryptonomicon ?
[10:49] <Kilos> its a story
[10:49] <Kilos> 81KB book
[10:49] <charl_> interesting, don't have much time atm, got too much to do as it is
[10:49] <Kilos> text only
[10:50] <Kilos> haha
[10:52] <charl_> have been applying for a bunch of jobs the past week
[10:52] <charl_> i'm learning a lot
[10:53] <charl_> one company actually out-right turned me down because they don't believe they will be able to supply me with sufficient challenges in the long term
[10:53] <charl_> which happens to be 100% accurate too
[10:54] <Kilos> hehe
[10:54] <charl_> another commpany turned me down because i "seem to have a preference for linux" which they don't do
[10:54] <charl_> almost unbelievable you still get that in this day and age
[10:55] <charl_> it's a good thing they realise this by only looking at my cv because otherwise we would have wasted time
[10:55] <charl_> but yeah it blows my mind that you still get companies like that
[10:57] <Kilos> talk to Trixar_za he is also doing some irc thing
[10:57] <charl_> ???
[10:57] <charl_> irc thing?
[10:57] <Kilos> ircd i think it was
[10:58] <Kilos> too far to scroll back
[10:58] <charl_> oh he is setting up an irc server?
[10:58] <charl_> which day was it? i'll check in the logs
[10:58] <Kilos> just now
[10:58] <Kilos> wait i look
[10:58] <charl_> ok
[10:58] <charl_> lemme check
[10:59] <Kilos> Trixar_za> IRC daemon - It's the IRC Server
[10:59] <Kilos> 10.03 this morn
[10:59] <charl_> oh i see
[11:00] <charl_> yeah just read the logs
[11:00] <charl_> i fiddled with bahamut a long time ago (like 10 years ago)
[11:00] <charl_> i laughed at some of the comments in the code
[11:00] <charl_> like "what type of pot have you been smoking" as a comment from one developer to another
[11:00] <charl_> bahamut is the ircd that dalnet is/was running
[11:00] <Kilos> hehe
[11:01] <charl_> http://www.dal.net/?page=Bahamut
[11:01] <charl_> "Bahamut is a UNIX-based Internet Relay Chat Daemon (IRCd) designed for DALnet, one of the major IRC networks in the world. Bahamut replaced DALnet's old ircd, DreamForge at some point in the early 2000's.
[11:01] <charl_> i think ircd was the original irc server or something
[11:02] <Kilos> freenode is ok for me to get here
[11:02] <Kilos> i dont fiddle in it
[11:02] <Kilos> and runs pretty reliably
[11:03] <charl_> yeah freenode is very solid
[11:04] <charl_> i've been looking at this the other day: http://www.atheme.net/
[11:04] <charl_> it's the one pirateirc is using
[11:04] <Trixar_za> That's the services charl_
[11:04] <charl_> yeah i know Trixar_za
[11:04] <charl_> i can read :)
[11:05] <charl_> but they also seem to have an interesting web interface to services
[11:05] <Trixar_za> Freenode uses ircd-seven, which is a fork of charybdis, which itself is a fork of ratbox-ircd
[11:05] <Trixar_za> I've come to hate it, because I was using a fork of a fork of a fork of ratbox-ircd myself
[11:05] <charl_> lol a fork of a fork of a fork
[11:06] <Trixar_za> and it wouldn't do what I wanted
[11:06] <charl_> that's open source for you all right :P
[11:06] <charl_> i set up bahamut (i think) together with this a number of years ago: http://achurch.org/services/
[11:06] <charl_> worked pretty well but it was a very small network
[11:06] <charl_> are you running / looking to set up a network or just fiddling ?
[11:07] <Trixar_za> Elemental-IRCd --> ShadowIRCd (now defunct) --> Charybdis IRCd --> Ratbox-IRCd
[11:07] <Trixar_za> And I was forking Elemental too
[11:08] <Trixar_za> So... a fork of fork of a fork of a fork
[11:08] <Trixar_za> :P
[11:08] <charl_> heh
[11:08] <Trixar_za> I'm running a network, but I want something a little more configurable than Elemental-IRCd
[11:09] <Trixar_za> And when I mean configurable, I mean something that doesn't crash if I move around channel modes
[11:09] <charl_> interesting, is it a public or private network?
[11:09] <Trixar_za> public
[11:10] <charl_> url?
[11:10] <Trixar_za> rock.gigirc.com
[11:10] <Trixar_za> The website is a bit crappy
[11:10] <Trixar_za> But that link should give you the webchat interface
[11:10] <Trixar_za> Another one of the Atheme projects called Iris
[11:11] <charl_> oh i see, you are also in fact running iris as a web client
[11:12] <charl_> very nice
[11:12] <charl_> nice that it also has services integration
[11:12] <charl_> cool side project
[11:13] <charl_> whaha the channel list in iris looks like a tag cloud
[11:18] <Trixar_za> And the bigger the tag, the more people is in it
[11:24] <charl_> yeah, figured as much
[11:36] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[12:01] <charl_> lol
[12:02]  * Symmetria waves from the lounge at jfk
[13:03] <Private_User> yo 'sup Kilos
[13:04] <Kilos> all same here and there
[13:37] <charl_> hi Symmetria
[13:37] <charl_> how's the traveling going, jetlag yet?
[13:40] <charl_> by the way, past week i upgraded to ubuntu 13.10 at work, big mistake
[13:40] <charl_> did a standard do-release-upgrade and everything worked perfectly except vmware choked on the new kernel
[13:41] <charl_> reinstalled 13.04 - again could not get vmware running
[13:41] <charl_> previously, installed vmware under 12.10 and then upgraded to 13.04 but had no trouble whatsoever
[13:42] <charl_> thought "ok screw this" and installed debian 7 - went without a hitch and installed vmware no prob
[13:43] <charl_> all from a flash drive and grub installed perfectly with my uefi chipset (ubuntu 12.04 lts failed)
[13:44] <charl_> using gnome3 without any problems (no crashes like last year under ubuntu 12.04) and overall it's very fast too
[13:45] <charl_> although, i should add, unity in 13.10 is also looking pretty good
[13:46] <Kilos> whats the diffs charl_ ?
[13:46] <charl_> differences with what? unity?
[13:46] <Kilos> 13.04 wasnt better than 12.04
[13:46] <Kilos> ya
[13:47] <Kilos> i didnt enjoy 13.04
[13:48] <charl_> not sure what the *exact* differences are, just overall (speed, stability) much improved from 13.04
[13:48] <Kilos> ah
[13:48] <charl_> gnome3, kde4 and unity all went through their "nightmare" years at first
[13:49] <charl_> i wouldn't mind just sticking to the lts release as my host operating system but 12.04 just refused to boot after installation
[13:50] <charl_> i think it has something to do with my relatively new chipset and uefi
[13:50] <Kilos> ouch
[13:50] <charl_> debian comes with an ancient kernel (running 3.2.0-4-amd64 now) so i don't have to worry about vmware breaking again
[13:51] <charl_> not that the fault lies with ubuntu, in this respect it's just vmware that doesn't keep itself up to date quickly enough
[13:52] <charl_> and with debian release cycles i am good to go for years ahead :D
[13:52] <Private_User> I am back
[13:52] <charl_> wb Private_User
[13:52] <Private_User> am now connected using Xubuntu
[13:52] <Kilos> wb Private_User
[13:52] <Kilos> what you fixed
[13:52] <Kilos> well done
[13:53] <Private_User> well I am testing the Xubuntu, last night I tested Ubuntu and Lubuntu
[13:53] <Kilos> i think it has synaptic preinstalled hey?
[13:53] <Private_User> this machine was a bit slow with ubuntu but I guess its because of the 512MB ram
[13:54] <Private_User> Lubuntu worked fine though
[13:54] <Kilos> you tested them on basic install or after update/upgrade
[13:54] <Private_User> on the basic
[13:54] <charl_> with half a gig on a live cd, that's indeed pushing it
[13:54] <Kilos> you find most ubuntu's speed up after updating
[13:55] <Private_User> ok but I am running them installed on the HDD
[13:55] <Kilos> hehe i also said 512m was min
[13:55] <charl_> yeah that's still pushing it
[13:55] <charl_> we are almost in 2014 after all
[13:55] <Kilos> x and lubuntu should be the best for min ram
[13:55] <Private_User> except I could not get the Kubuntu installed
[13:55] <Kilos> aw what happened?
[13:55] <Private_User> something to do with the partioning I think
[13:56] <Private_User> so I just tested on the live CD
[13:56] <Kilos> its different hey
[13:56] <charl_> if you really want to go minimalist you should install openbox
[13:56] <Kilos> but lekker once you used to it
[13:56] <Private_User> yeah but seems like 512 is min for that as well
[13:56] <charl_> that's about as compact as you can go, unless if you switch to a tiling window manager
[13:57] <Private_User> I will keep them for when I setup my Laptop which has 2GB ram
[13:57] <Kilos> that will be better
[13:57] <Kilos> but your desktop will be fine with more ram
[13:57] <Private_User> so you guys advice that I should use either L or X for this desktop?
[13:58] <charl_> or fluxbox, that's another good one
[13:58] <Private_User> since I only have 512MB ram
[13:58] <Kilos> only if you not gonna get more ram
[13:58] <charl_> lubuntu is afaik the most minimalist unless if you go openbox or fluxbox
[13:58] <Private_User> yeah I doubt I will be getting ram any time soon
[13:58] <charl_> are you installing on an old netbook or something?
[13:58] <Kilos> ya then use l or x
[13:59] <Kilos> old desktop
[13:59] <charl_> ah, yeah that's like 10 years old :P
[13:59] <Private_User> ok so now to decide between the 2
[13:59] <charl_> i say lubuntu
[14:00] <charl_> advised it to one of my colleagues as well for a really old laptop
[14:01] <Private_User> ok cool thanks for the advice, now I am leaning towards L
[14:02] <Kilos> with ubuntu you can later install the other gui's if im not mistaken
[14:02] <Kilos> like for unity you install ubuntu-desktop
[14:03] <Kilos> and kubuntu its kubuntu-desktop
[14:03] <Kilos> then you get to choose at boot time which one you want to use
[14:04] <Kilos> but go with lubuntu till you get more ram
[14:06] <Private_User> ok I will do that, and will I be able to use it for doing a little development as well?
[14:06] <Kilos> yes
[14:06] <Private_User> excellent
[14:06] <Kilos> you just gotta update/upgrade
[14:06] <Kilos> what do you want to develope
[14:08] <Private_User> cool now I am wondering if I will need Windows, cause I plan on installing ubuntu on my laptop
[14:10] <Kilos> you can install it alonsdie windows for starters till you used to it
[14:11] <Kilos> then choose on boot
[14:12] <Kilos> the advantage of desktops over lappies charl_  is you can add more dives inside
[14:13] <Kilos> and lotsa usb ports
[14:13] <Kilos> and no stupid mouse thing
[14:13] <Kilos> scroll pad or whatever its called
[14:14] <Private_User> lol
[14:14] <Private_User> touchpad dude
[14:14] <Private_User> :D
[14:14] <Kilos> ya that horrible thing
[14:15] <Kilos> and weak keyboards
[14:16] <Kilos> Private_User, what do you use windows for?
[14:16] <Kilos> im sure ubuntu has all the tools and more
[14:16] <Kilos> only gaming is behind on linux
[14:17] <Private_User> well when I purchased the Laptop thats the OS it came with so I never bothered to change
[14:17] <Kilos> oh so you dont really need it
[14:17] <Kilos> you not into it so deep you have no choice
[14:18] <Private_User> yeah and  now I wanna go full Open Source
[14:18] <Kilos> the do the best cure for all windows probs
[14:18] <Kilos> boot from and install ubuntu
[14:20] <Private_User> but maybe I will just do as you say make Ubuntu my Default OS and if there comes a need to use it then I have it
[14:20] <Private_User> although for now I cannot see a reason
[14:21] <Kilos> you can also run windows in a virtualbox in ubuntu
[14:21] <Kilos> need a fast pc though
[14:22] <Private_User> oh yes that is another plan thanks
[14:29] <Kilos> if you think you might need windows you install ubuntu alongside ang squeeze windows to 20 or 30 of the drive
[14:30] <Kilos> but if you go only ubuntu then partition the drive into root boot and home partitions
[14:31] <Kilos> then when you go to next release or need to do a reinstall you dont format /home and you keep all your settings and stuff
[14:32] <Kilos> and data
[14:37] <Private_User> ok thanks will do
[14:43] <Private_User> btw how much space would you recommend for root, boot and Home?
[14:43] <Kilos> how big is your drive?
[14:44] <Private_User> cause I have now decided that I will use Lubuntu on this dektop, no windows
[14:44] <Private_User> its a 80GB
[14:44] <Kilos> root 30g
[14:44] <Kilos> boot 1g or leave out /boot and it will go in with /root
[14:45] <Private_User> ok and the rest home?
[14:46] <superfly> I don't ever bother partitioning, I just go with the default... life is too short to worry about that
[14:46] <Kilos> ya rest /home or you can make a piece at the end /storage for backups and where you save packages
[14:46] <Kilos> lol
[14:46] <Kilos> hi superfly
[14:47] <Private_User> ok cool I am gonna do it but what about swap?
[14:47] <superfly> 1 gig
[14:47] <Private_User> should I partion it at the begining of the drive or in the middle?
[14:47] <Kilos> if you install without partitioning it makes its own swap
[14:48] <superfly> automatic usually makes swap in the extended partition
[14:48]  * superfly goes to start the braai
[14:48] <Kilos> yum
[14:48] <Private_User> :D I like it braai
[14:49] <Kilos> yeah
[14:49] <Private_User> don't forget to pour a shot... LOL
[14:49] <Kilos> he dont drink
[14:49] <Kilos> nor me
[14:49] <Private_User> ok cola and a smile then ;)
[14:49] <Kilos> but im too old thats why
[14:50] <Kilos> stopped when i waa about 28 i think
[14:51] <Private_User> brb gonna log off from the desktop cause I am gonna redo the system with Lubuntu using your advice
[14:52] <Kilos> cool good luck. ill be here
[14:54] <Private_User> back
[14:55] <Kilos> wb
[14:55] <Kilos> on winsucks again
[14:55] <Kilos> hehe
[14:55] <Private_User> thanks
[14:55] <Private_User> lol yeah
[14:56] <Kilos> btw how did you find this channel
[14:56] <Kilos> someone asked last night how peeps get here and i didnt know
[14:57] <Private_User> on the Ubuntu site
[14:57] <Kilos> aha
[14:57] <Private_User> but wish I found it earlier
[14:58] <Private_User> cause for that 13.10 install I struggle alot
[14:58] <Kilos> how did you get to hear about ubuntu?
[15:00] <Private_User> well I was interested in Linux for a while but never go around to getting or installing it and also could not decide on which distribution. I mainly chose Ubuntu because it had some South African roots
[15:01] <Private_User> and many say its the best for beginners
[15:02] <Private_User> and would you believe it, I had version 8 sitting on this machine for a while and never got around to install well I did on a virtual box but never really used it
[15:03] <Kilos> hahaha i got given 8.04 from a neighbour that musta gotten mad at my complaints about tindows
[15:03] <Kilos> windows
[15:03] <Private_User> lol
[15:03] <Private_User> yeah most of us were just forced to use it since all new machine came with it and most companies use it as well
[15:04] <Kilos> but couldnt get it to work with 3g so then i started searching for help and was given 8.10 and the repos
[15:04] <Private_User> btw where should I position the swap and boot partition? at the begining of the drive or after the root partition?
[15:05] <Kilos> and since then i use windows to use up bad sectors in the beginning of old drives and install ubuntu alongside
[15:05] <Kilos> i make / then /swap then /home
[15:05] <Private_User> and /boot?
[15:06] <Private_User> or will it not make a difference?
[15:06] <Private_User> if its seperate that is
[15:06] <Kilos> oh my
[15:06] <Kilos>   /root /boot /swap /home
[15:07] <Private_User> thanks I am performing the install now
[15:07] <Kilos> cool
[15:08] <Kilos> just remember if you install without partitioning sometime the you can use a command to save your /home to a stick or another drive or so
[15:09] <Kilos> because its painful to do a clean install and have to setup everything from scratch
[15:09] <Kilos>   /home remembers everything
[15:10]  * Symmetria waves from 30 thousand feet up in the air
[15:10] <Private_User> thanks
[15:11] <Kilos> isnt that illegal Symmetria ?
[15:11] <Symmetria> kilos lol nope, inflight wifi between nyc and sfo
[15:12] <Kilos> aha
[15:12] <Kilos> not like cellphones
[15:12] <Symmetria> its actually bloody fast
[15:45] <Kilos> Private_User, cant still be installing
[15:45] <Kilos> oh maybe
[15:45] <Private_User> lol nope just completed
[15:45] <Private_User> now I am gonna wait for after 00:00 and install all the update
[15:45] <Kilos> with 1.5g ram it takes 25 mins to install 12.04
[15:46] <Kilos> ok save these commands
[15:46] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[15:47] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[15:47] <Kilos> in some aptitude is installed
[15:47] <Kilos> then sudo aptitude upgrade
[15:48] <Kilos> should be 3 or 400m of upgrades i think
[15:48] <Kilos> oh no
[15:48] <Kilos> you have 12.04.3
[15:48] <Kilos> maybe 200m
[15:51] <Private_User> thanks
[15:51] <Kilos> np
[15:51] <Kilos> did you say you do, or want to do web design?
[15:52] <Private_User> this waiting for 00:00 to do installs a real drag
[15:52] <Private_User> I do web design
[15:52] <Private_User> well when I get the clients
[15:52] <Kilos> there must be lotsa tool sofr it
[15:52] <Private_User> times have been slow
[15:52] <Kilos> tools for
[15:53] <Kilos> Maaz, google web design apps for ubuntu
[15:53] <Maaz> Kilos: "Design and user experience | Ubuntu for phones | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/features :: "App Design Guides | Ubuntu Design" http://design.ubuntu.com/apps :: "Web design software - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/118520/web-design-software :: "Resources - 12 Indispensable Web Design Apps for Ubuntu | Think ..."
[15:53] <Maaz> http://thinkdesignblog.com/resources-12-indispensable-web-design-apps-for-ubuntu.htm :: "The new Ubuntu App Develope…
[15:53] <Kilos> you can go mad with ubuntu
[15:54] <Private_User> thank you Maaz
[15:54] <Kilos> you gotta say maaz ty
[15:54] <Kilos> or maaz thank you
[15:54] <Kilos> he be our bot
[15:54] <Private_User> Maaz thank you
[15:54] <Maaz> Private_User: Okay :-)
[15:54] <Kilos> and coffee maker
[15:56] <Private_User> lol ok
[15:56] <Private_User> brb
[15:56] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:56]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[15:56] <Kilos> now ask him coffee please
[15:57] <Kilos> only prob is cyber coffee dont help you stay up late
[16:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:00] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie
[16:00] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[16:18] <Private_User> cool stuff
[16:19] <Private_User> what els can Maaz do?
[16:19] <Private_User> *else
[16:19] <Kilos> lots
[16:19] <Kilos> he does the logs and links for our meetings
[16:19] <Private_User> Maaz, what can you do?
[16:19] <Maaz> Private_User: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[16:19] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[16:21] <Private_User> Maaz, thanks
[16:21] <Maaz> Private_User: Sure
[16:21] <Kilos>   and Maaz was written by some of our guys
[16:21] <Kilos> in python and is in the ubuntu repos
[16:21] <Private_User> excellent
[16:21] <Kilos> we got the best
[16:22] <Kilos> they just busy most of the time so leave me to mislead peeps
[16:22] <Private_User> lol
[16:22] <Kilos> the fly is one of the kingpins here
[16:22] <Kilos> when he talks listen
[16:24] <Kilos> he knows more about software than braaing i think
[16:24] <Private_User> duly noted
[16:25] <Private_User> well I think I know enough not to burn the meat
[16:25] <Private_User> LOL
[16:25] <Kilos> lol
[16:25] <Kilos> and tumbles and drussel are ubuntu devs
[16:27] <Private_User> wow so we have some good help here when we need it
[16:27] <Kilos> and the crashkid is a master at sorting crashes but he is in the states now
[16:28] <Kilos> we got the best
[16:30] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn didnt see you sneak in
[16:30] <Kilos> sorry
[16:32] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[16:32] <Kilos> whew im slack today
[16:32] <Kilos> too much office
[16:33]  * Symmetria glances out the window and at the in flight map and notes he is now right over milwaukee
[16:34] <Kilos> what you doing there Symmetria
[16:34] <Symmetria> going to see juniper
[16:34] <Symmetria> p brb they bringing me icecream
[16:34] <Kilos> lol
[16:34] <Symmetria> gotta eat that ;p haha
[17:13] <nlsthzn> alo
[17:13] <nlsthzn> again
[17:14] <Kilos> lol
[17:16] <nlsthzn> stupid children being annoying... we leopard crawling to catch them off guard...
[17:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:17] <nlsthzn> jumped out the sliding door and took pictures like crazy... they go running in all directions :p
[17:17] <nlsthzn> pity I can't shoot them with any kind of non lethal weapon
[18:09] <kbmonkey> hello again !
[18:28] <Kilos> yo
[18:35] <kbmonkey> yo yo
[18:35] <kbmonkey> \O/
[18:35] <kbmonkey>  |
[18:35] <kbmonkey> \\
[18:45] <kbmonkey> it is raining again!
[18:45] <kbmonkey> it is great
[19:13] <magespawn> Good evening all
[19:13] <Kilos> hiya magespawn
[19:14] <magespawn> How things Kilos?
[19:14] <Kilos> no better ty
[19:14] <Kilos> haha
[19:14] <Kilos> still trying to make a book cover with writer
[19:14] <magespawn> But also no worse either
[19:14] <Kilos> hows you?
[19:14] <Kilos> na same but good otherwise
[19:15] <Kilos> too much to read in office documentation
[19:16] <magespawn> Bit tired, long week, another long one next week
[19:16] <Kilos> eish you gotta get that stuff all setup now so you can become normal again
[19:20] <magespawn> It will happen
[19:20] <magespawn> Is inetpro around?
[19:22] <inetpro> uh?
[19:22] <inetpro> good evening magespawn
[19:23] <inetpro> and hi to everyone else
[19:23] <magespawn> Hey inetpro
[19:23] <inetpro> sup?
[19:24] <magespawn> What is your opinion of allowing network access from the internet for cctv cameras?
[19:24] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:24] <Kilos> naand inetpro
[19:24] <inetpro> magespawn: hmm...
[19:24] <inetpro> everyone does it in one way or the other
[19:25] <Kilos> password protected access magespawn
[19:25] <Kilos> or some more secure way
[19:26] <inetpro> in fact storing your footage offsite asap is generally a good idea
[19:26] <magespawn> Not as far as i could see, but it might have been through a vpn. Also microsoft rdp all forwarded through the router
[19:27] <inetpro> eish
[19:27] <Kilos> lol
[19:27] <Kilos> enough said
[19:27] <Kilos> why is microsoft involved
[19:28] <magespawn> Not for offsite storage just to check cctv cameras, and not for a security company either
[19:28] <magespawn> They have windows on most of their machines.
[19:29] <Kilos> but there is what to be stolen there?
[19:29] <Kilos> is it just to see cctv
[19:30] <Kilos> or check if cmeras are working
[19:30] <Kilos> cameras too
[19:31] <magespawn> Just to see cctv
[19:31] <Kilos> oh to like monitor them remotely
[19:31] <Kilos> from how many pcs?
[19:32] <magespawn> Do not know.
[19:32] <Kilos> only your peeps or anyone
[19:32] <Kilos> oh my
[19:32] <magespawn> Exactly
[19:33] <Kilos> if its like only your businesses senior peeps maybe you can take a chance but not if its open to everyone
[19:34] <magespawn> Nobody is tell8ng me diddly
[19:34] <Kilos> eish
[19:34] <Kilos> they scared of you and you the only one with some security sense
[19:34] <magespawn> I have to dig for everything
[19:34] <magespawn> Maybe
[19:35] <Kilos> inetpro, why so quiet?
[19:35] <Kilos> what do they expect from you magespawn to secure the system or what?
[19:35] <inetpro> sorry, busy reading
[19:36] <magespawn> Well I took that as implied, since the network is part of my responsibility
[19:38] <Kilos> maybe you can encrypt some connections so others cant use it
[19:38] <inetpro> magespawn: welcome to the world of computers
[19:39] <magespawn> Lol, ty inetpro
[19:39] <Kilos> inetpro, http://www.telkommobile.co.za/coverage/lte/
[19:39] <Kilos> maybe you can turn your external antenna to get lte
[19:39] <magespawn> I like to try an follow best practices and standards.
[19:40] <Kilos> im am 6 ks past where they show coverage
[19:40] <magespawn> No luck hey Kilos
[19:40] <Kilos> lol maybe with external yagi
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: nice, it looks like I have LTE
[19:41] <Kilos> yoohoo
[19:41] <inetpro> how do I test it?
[19:41] <Kilos> where are you
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: at home
[19:41] <inetpro> sitting in my chair
[19:41] <Kilos> move your map till it shows you then give me the link
[19:41] <Kilos> maybe it works
[19:41] <Kilos> no man
[19:42] <inetpro> :-)
[19:42] <Kilos> you want my emaill addy again?
[19:42] <Kilos> does the pink show around you?
[19:42] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[19:42] <Kilos> wow lucky man
[19:43] <Kilos> now you can really burn data
[19:44] <Kilos> oh ya what did you break at work the other day
[19:44] <magespawn> Who Kilos?
[19:44] <Kilos> the pro
[19:45] <Kilos> yesterday or day before , i forget
[19:45] <inetpro> Kilos: I broke something?
[19:45] <Kilos> they all dropped of irc
[19:45] <Kilos> ya man how often do you disappear from here
[19:45] <inetpro> hmm... that was probably just some disconnect between us and freenode
[19:45] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel met my volk
[19:46] <inetpro> nothing major that I noticed on our network
[19:46] <Kilos> and you and your libreoffice writer are breaking my head
[19:46] <inetpro> why>
[19:46] <inetpro> ?
[19:46] <Kilos> with things like leave the formatting for later
[19:47] <Kilos> im sukkeling to make a cover page
[19:47] <Kilos> the docs are too massive to read in a foreign language
[19:47] <inetpro> why even read the docs?
[19:48] <Kilos> acover is a cover not a style or some funny thing
[19:48] <Kilos> well its the first time ive ever used any office stuff
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: you should learn like the kids
[19:48] <Kilos> how?
[19:48] <inetpro> they don't need manuals
[19:48] <Kilos> lol
[19:49] <inetpro> they just click a button to see what happens
[19:49] <Kilos> eish ive had too many messups trying things
[19:49] <inetpro> so take a button/icon at a time and run through all of them
[19:49] <Kilos> and i dont remember what i did so do the same messup the next day
[19:50] <Kilos> no man them buttons dont tell you this is how you make large text for a headline or whatever its calleed
[19:50] <inetpro> create a new test document and start playing around
[19:50] <Kilos> ai!
[19:51] <inetpro> well there are buttons, dropdowns, widgets, etc
[19:52] <inetpro> then there are menu items as well
[19:52] <Kilos> there is a garage full of unknown stuffs
[19:52] <inetpro> nee man
[19:52] <Kilos> all in modern language
[19:53] <inetpro> tell me which one sounds greek to you
[19:53] <Kilos> ai!
[19:53] <Kilos> styles for one
[19:53] <inetpro> take anyone and look it up in the dictionary
[19:53] <Kilos> masterpage for another
[19:53] <Kilos> ai!
[19:54] <inetpro> you are trying to make things complicated for nothing
[19:54] <Kilos> all i want now is big writing for a heading on the cover
[19:54] <Kilos> i dragged a pic to it
[19:55] <inetpro> ai!
[19:55] <Kilos> and the writer can only open once at a time
[19:55] <Kilos> i cant read the docs and practise my way through
[19:56] <Kilos> maybe this is why books are so expensive
[19:56] <Kilos> tons of hard work
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos: have you not seen the little dropdown that has a number in it?
[19:57] <inetpro> when you hover your mouse over it it should say "Font Size"
[19:57] <inetpro> right next to another dropdown that says "Font Name"
[19:58] <inetpro> and to the right of it there's a liitle big B for Bold
[19:58] <Kilos> ya i see font size
[19:59] <Kilos> but i only want 3 words large not everything
[19:59] <inetpro> so go highlight a stukkie text and change the font size
[19:59] <Kilos> oh
[20:00] <inetpro> ai!
[20:01] <Kilos> yoo hoo slim seun baie dankie
[20:01] <Kilos> im gonna have to put you by the acknowledgements
[20:02] <inetpro> break down the wall in front of you man
[20:02] <inetpro> you remind me of the days when we introduced computers to the old tannies at the office many years ago
[20:03] <Kilos> being suck a small booklet it doesnt need an index hey?
[20:03] <Kilos> im worse than them man
[20:03] <inetpro> some of them had this massive wall in front of them, too scared to even touch the keyboard
[20:04] <Kilos> im like apple mac im a hardware guy
[20:06] <inetpro> Kilos: nee man, that is very unlike you
[20:07] <Kilos> sjoe ive been battling for weeks now
[20:07]  * inetpro has huge respect for Kilos's persistent nature
[20:07] <Kilos> feels like months
[20:16] <Kilos> ai!
[20:23] <magespawn> Keep at it Kilos
[20:23] <Kilos> lol
[20:25] <Kilos> i try make a gray page but forget to highlight the whole area so it makes a small gray strip across. so i try make the whole area same colour and they gray becomes bron except for that gray strip
[20:25] <Kilos> grrr
[20:26] <magespawn> Well now you know how to create a brown page with a grey strip at the top.
[20:27] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:27] <Kilos> close writer and reopen and its gray
[20:27] <Kilos> sigh
[20:27] <inetpro> Kilos: just remember to learn like the kids!
[20:29] <inetpro> Kilos: and then...
[20:29] <inetpro> there's always LibreOffice Draw
[20:29] <Kilos> ai! shup
[20:30] <Kilos> first and last book
[20:30] <inetpro> click File | New | Drawing
[20:31] <inetpro> and once you have saved a nice drawing you can Insert Picture from file
[20:32] <Kilos> maybe i must put a big hammer on the cover
[20:32] <Kilos> i cant draw man
[20:32] <inetpro> ai! You coming with that wall again?
[20:33] <Kilos> sigh
[20:33] <Kilos> im not 40 something
[20:33] <Kilos> im 60 something
[20:33] <magespawn> This from the guy who came here only few years ago
[20:33] <Kilos> too late to learn to draw as well
[20:34] <Kilos> this book is gonna cost a fortune
[20:36] <inetpro> Kilos: "Nobody cares about what you can't do."   (F11, I think, brings up the window)
[20:51] <Kilos> i need to read up again what the styles do
[20:51] <Kilos> i did it plain
[20:51] <Kilos> default i think its called
[20:51] <superfly> Kilos: you can make more, and you can apply different styles to different elements... like use the headings for headings :-)
[20:52] <superfly> it makes managing the style of your document MUCH easier
[20:52] <Kilos> i need to find a way to read the docs and keep writer open separately
[20:53] <inetpro> Kilos: Alt+Tab
[20:54] <Kilos> oh will that swop them
[20:54] <Kilos> then that can help
[20:54] <Kilos> ty
[20:55] <inetpro> yw
[20:56] <Kilos> i was hoping acroread could read it but no go
[20:58] <inetpro> Kilos: File | Export as PDF...
[20:58] <Kilos> export to where
[20:59] <Kilos> see these funny words
[20:59] <Kilos> export is landuit
[20:59] <inetpro> Kilos: Portable Document Format (PDF) is a file format used to represent documents in a manner independent of application software, hardware, and operating system
[21:00] <Kilos> oh ya writer can do the pdf thing
[21:00] <Kilos> maybe thats the way i gotta put it online
[21:01] <inetpro> nou praat ons
[21:03] <Kilos> but then i still gotta get me a site to sell it on
[21:04] <inetpro> Kilos: that's where you need to learn the skills of a Bill Gates
[21:04] <Kilos> office is quite lekker actually. if one wrote often and got used to it then it would be easier
[21:04] <Kilos> marketing?
[21:05] <magespawn> Lots of ways to do thise Kilos
[21:05] <magespawn> this
[21:06] <Kilos> tell me
[21:06] <inetpro> Kilos: he was able to convince millions to pay for ones and zeros
[21:06] <Kilos> lol
[21:08] <magespawn> You can blog it, tweet it, G+ it
[21:08] <superfly> inetpro: for really bad ones and zeroes too
[21:08] <Kilos> oh ya
[21:08] <Private_User> Evening People, I see the ballies are awake ...hehe
[21:08] <Private_User> :D
[21:08] <Kilos> hehe hiya Private_User
[21:09] <magespawn> Well the ones and zeros aren't that bad, it is just they way they are put together
[21:09] <Private_User> good Kilios, just waiting as usual for after 00:00. Gonna do all the updates for my install
[21:09] <inetpro> magespawn: but how does he convince people to hand him a few $$$?
[21:10] <Kilos> Private_User, when you type someones nick in type the first 3 letter any case and hit tab
[21:10] <Kilos> tab completes the nick for you
[21:10] <magespawn> By selling the same ones and zeros more than once, and getting  people to believe they need it.
[21:11] <Private_User> Kilos, thanks did not know that
[21:11] <superfly> mostly by convincing computer hardware manufacturers to bundle Windows, and ONLY Windows
[21:11] <Kilos> yw
[21:11] <Private_User> ah sorry dude, just realised I mis-spelt your nick earlier
[21:11] <Kilos> inetpro, see our new ubuntero
[21:12] <inetpro> Private_User: welcome at #ubuntu-za
[21:12] <Kilos> better than me he got ubuntu going with 512m ram
[21:12] <superfly> magespawn: if you asked people, "Did  you buy Windows?" there answer will be "no."
[21:12] <Private_User> thank you inetpro
[21:12] <Kilos> i couldnt do it with less than 640m
[21:12] <superfly> magespawn: not because they have an illegal copy, but because it came with their computer
[21:13] <Kilos> magespawn, you must read that book
[21:13] <magespawn> Indeed, by presenting it 'as is'.
[21:13] <Kilos> quite funny
[21:13] <Kilos> http://www.cryptonomicon.com/command.zip
[21:13] <magespawn> Your book Kilos?
[21:13] <Kilos> no man
[21:13]  * inetpro busy reading that ^^
[21:16] <Kilos> ami fsck -f works to a win drive if you have that ntfsprogs installed
[21:17] <Kilos> but not without ntfsprogs
[21:19] <Kilos> whew maybe i should get the new kubuntu with my night surfer data
[21:24] <magespawn> I am off to bed all, good night
[21:25] <Kilos> sleep tight magespawn
[21:34] <Kilos> whats a final beta release
[21:35] <Kilos> i see that for kubuntu 13.10
[21:35] <Kilos> isnt beta like second stage
[21:36] <Kilos> and final the release stage
[21:36] <inetpro> Kilos: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block
[21:39] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[21:41] <Kilos> would you suggest the bit torrent download
[21:41] <Kilos> i could maybe wget it that way
[21:43] <superfly> Kilos: no, bittorrent is a protocol, like http
[21:44] <superfly> you need a bittorrent client
[21:44] <Kilos> oh my
[21:45] <Kilos> i did bittorrent something a while back but think i reinstalled since then ty superfly
[21:45] <Kilos> how long will 13.10 be supported
[21:46] <superfly> the usual, 2 years?
[21:46] <Kilos> oh great i thought they dropped it to 6 months
[22:10] <Kilos> aw inetpro i cant wget that link
[22:10] <Kilos> grrrr
[22:11] <Kilos>     [  <=>                                  ] 15 570      53,3K/s   in 0,3s
[22:11] <Kilos> 2013-11-03 00:06:04 (53,3 KB/s) - `download' saved [15570]
[22:11] <Kilos> thats all. something wrong there
[22:12] <Kilos> thats all thats there even with wget -c
[22:12] <Kilos> grrr
[22:12] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[22:13] <Kilos> im bang to use opera
[22:13] <Kilos> in case it drops and i got no download manager
[22:13] <Kilos> and im falling off the chair already
[22:14] <inetpro> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/13.10/release/kubuntu-13.10-desktop-i386.iso
[22:14] <Kilos> thats wgettable hey?
[22:14] <Kilos> ty
[22:14] <inetpro> yep
[22:14] <inetpro> or the 64bit version
[22:14] <inetpro> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/13.10/release/kubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:15] <Kilos> no man no 64bit stuff here
[22:15] <inetpro> BTW, an updated version of that command line story is available at: http://garote.bdmonkeys.net/commandline/index.html
[22:15] <Kilos> its running
[22:15] <Kilos> aha
[22:16] <inetpro>  The Command Line in 2004
[22:16] <Kilos> save it
[22:16] <Kilos> its all before ubuntu
[22:16] <inetpro> true
[22:16] <Kilos> i wonder how he feels now
[22:17] <inetpro> he switched to OS X
[22:17] <Kilos> thats mac?
[22:17] <inetpro> at least at the time when he was asked n 2004
[22:17] <inetpro> yep
[22:17] <Kilos> he sounds like Symmetria
[22:18] <inetpro> anyway, me needs some sleep
[22:18] <inetpro> good night
[22:18] <Kilos> he loves his mac and all his screens show windows
[22:18] <Kilos> hahaha
[22:20] <Kilos> whew the isos are getting bigger. 1g already
[22:20] <Kilos> Private_User, you winning
[22:21] <Private_User> yep started the update
[22:21] <Private_User> it seems to be busy
[22:21] <Kilos> ive got a 1g download just started
[22:21] <Kilos> eina
[22:22] <Kilos> gonna be short of sleep tonight
[22:43] <Private_User> yeah I have been short of sleep since I started trying to get these ubuntu to work
[22:43] <Private_User> but at least I now have it working
[22:43] <Kilos> lol
[22:43] <Kilos> you will see after upgrading it runs better
[22:45] <Kilos> just remember if you want to install things first look in synaptic if it is in the repos. ive been warned not to just install stuff off the net
[22:45] <Private_User> ok looks like updates have completed
[22:45] <Kilos> how many meg?
[22:45] <Private_User> I will now do the above check for the software in repos
[22:46] <Kilos> you have synaptic hey?
[22:46] <Kilos> if not sudo aptitude install synaptic
[22:47] <Private_User> yes it is installed
[22:47] <Private_User> I also see the Ubuntu software centre
[22:47] <Kilos> good then if you want to check for something there is a small search window top right
[22:48] <Kilos> type in there and it will show everything related
[22:48] <Kilos> that software centre is slow
[22:48] <Kilos> synaptic is more efficient
[22:48] <Kilos> but not as pretty
[22:49] <Private_User> ok and its looking easier to read
[22:51] <Kilos> in update manager if you go to settings you can turn off updates and only do them late at night to save data
[22:55] <Private_User> saw that it was first thing I did especially with my experience with windows
[22:55] <Private_User> lol
[22:55] <Kilos> lol
[22:56] <Kilos> our upgrades dont kill the pc
[22:56] <Kilos> and they are free
[22:56] <Kilos> no pay $49
[22:58] <Kilos> and normally with upgrades things get better
[23:41] <Kilos> right i got 13.10
[23:41] <Kilos> night all


[17:39] <OmarHanyKasban> is Xubuntu good for 1 core pc?
[17:41] <genii> The best way to tell for any particular system is to try using the livecd/liveusb and see if it runs tolerably
[17:43] <genii> Xubuntu and Lubuntu are the two *buntu distributions with the lowest overhead, one of them will probably suit, depending on other system specs and how patient or impatient the user is
[17:43] <OmarHanyKasban_> it booted to installer in like 5mins its usb 2.0 is that normal?
[17:44] <OmarHanyKasban_> the cpu is AMD A6-7400K
[17:48] <genii> The USB/media in this case is probably the bottleneck as far as loading things goes.
[20:00] <Guest97> hi guys
[20:01] <Guest97> I'm trying to decide which OS uses less default resources, Xubuntu or Lubuntu?
[20:12] <tomreyn> can we help you by providing a random number generator?
[20:17] <Guest97> no..
[20:18] <tomreyn> Guest97: do you have a concrete question then?
[20:18] <Guest97> yes which os uses less resources
[20:19] <tomreyn> hmm, personally i don't know, don't have any benchmarks or data to compare. it wuold probably also matter which releases you compare, and how.
[20:20] <tomreyn> I'm guessing that xubuntu allocates less RAM by default, but don't rely on that.
[20:21] <tomreyn> that is, comparing a freshly, fully updated 22.04 LTS amd64 installation, where the user has logged into the desktop but not manually started any applications.
[20:22] <Guest97> yeah
[20:22] <Guest97> that s what I'm doing now
[20:39] <Guest97> free -m ?
[20:39] <Guest97> to measure ram
[20:40] <tomreyn> yes, or vmstat -s


[02:01] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Hey back! Now working on why my laptop will not process any "HOME" page index.* (.html, .php, etc).
[02:01] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Any clues on that?
[02:05] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Wonder if I should post that out on the Apache room, could be a config issue there.  Originally I installed Chrome browser and was not having the issues there, but now both FireFox and Chrome have the same issue.
[02:10] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: Not sure what you mean by not process.  Your browser won't display local files?
[02:10] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Exactly
[02:12] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: We web developers configure to be web servers, where localhost is our local web server, so we can test code, and cannot since this and phpmyadmin will not work!
[02:12] <DarinMiller> Does FF work?  Chrome usually requires a file reference: file:///home/user/nameofFile.html
[02:12] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Works if "index" or "home" is not in the filename!
[02:13] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: strange, let me try here.... have not played w/ html in a while....
[02:13] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: https://pastebin.ca/3708525 works as does not have "index" or "home" in the name
[02:15] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Since www.google.com is an "index.*" page, I can not go there, nor to https://localhost/phpmyadmin/
[02:25] <DarinMiller> TBotNik:  I can directly view files in chrome such as  file:///home/darin/index.html.    I currently do not have a LAMP setup to test a local server enviro....
[02:35] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Getting help on #httpd
[02:42] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: guy on #httpd, says I must grep all .conf files for "listen"! I only use grep to filter, so no idea how to do what he's asking!
[02:44] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: He thinks listen 443 (for SSL) is overridding the listen 80 (default).
[02:45] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: He might be right, since the http:// is always changing to https://
[02:45] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: my grep skills are mediocre at best.  I alway have to the man pages (or google) if I am trying anything complicated.
[05:17] <gilvan> helo
[05:37] <scottbomb> greetings
[07:33] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:35] <towncarter48> How do I download my pics in Kubuntu from a cd ( windows downloaded) ?
[10:39] <towncarter48> I want to download my pics on a cd to the harddrive in Kubuntu how do I do it?
[10:47] <viewer|80162> Hello.  Anyone know how to easily/quickly disable or hide the "Recently saved" and "Search for"  entries in the left panel of Dolphin file manager?
[12:25] <user|81512> Hi. I don't add or modify network connection, button 'OK' not active.
[12:26] <user|81512> help please
[15:54] <stasiic> Hi I just ran the kubuntu installer but it didn't seem to create a UEFI bootloader automatically. Are there any good resources where I can read about how to install kubuntu on a uefi system?
[16:00] <stasiic> Sorry.. I just mounted the EFI partition and checked it out, and it seems that the kubuntu installer actually does create those uefi entries
[16:57] <john_s> utilizing a new usb stick with truecrypt; incredible data corruption, has anyone ever experienced anything like that? big number of files differs from the origin.
[17:08] <john_s> diffing the trees and copying over the failing files and I don't know what caused it really.
[17:39] <BluesKaj_> Hi folks
[17:41] <john_s> hey
[18:50] <DaDaCinnamon> Hiya guys !
[18:52] <anabain> Hi, I'm having a hard time with kubuntu 16.04 (latest update). Dolphin hangs about 5 seconds after launching, and kwrite/kate open .txt files wrongly: no characters appear inside the window... Is there any way to solve this? Reinstalling/Reconfiguring all KDE stuff, removing dirs, whatever?
[20:46] <TBotNik> All: Added a new Toshiba 3T HD to my server, but not seeing it. What is good HOWTO to 1.) See, 2.) Mount, 3.) Format this drive to put it into action?
[20:47] <TBotNik> All: All HOWTOs I'm looking at do not deal with the "See" part, assuming already seen!
[20:50] <TBotNik> All: even: "fdisk -l" only shows the 3 sda partitions and nothing from the new drive!
[20:52] <TBotNik> Hello?
[20:52] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: You there?
[20:55] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: I am now....
[20:57] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Trying to mount new Toshiba 3T drive, but not being seen by the system.  Any ideas?
[20:57] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: This is on my server!
[20:57] <TBotNik> Dell T3400
[20:59] <TBotNik> fdisk -l, parted -l and KDE partition manager all show nothing for it.  Looking in the /dev only see sda* and sg, nothing else!
[21:00] <TBotNik> sg1 and sr0 are mapped to the CD drive.
[21:00] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: New drive, never formatted still should show up under /dev.  Boot to BIOS and ensure the port is active and the BIOS can see it.
[21:02] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Found it under /dev/disk/by-id
[21:03] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: No sorry that's the DVD drive
[21:05] <DarinMiller> Once the BIOS can see the drive, then the OS should see it. Then you can use fsdick or partition manager to create an mbr/parition table
[21:05] <DarinMiller> fdisk....
[21:05] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: OS installed/mounted on 80G sda, showing partitions  sda1, sda2, sda5
[21:06] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Oh maybe I have to reboot, run through "SETUP" for the BIOS, then it will be seen?
[21:07] <DarinMiller> Also, a very handy disk ustility is gnome-disk-utility (only requires a few gnome packages so works well under KDE...
[21:07] <DarinMiller> Yes, please reboot and check the bios.
[21:07] <TBotNik> OK rebooting, so switching chat to DT box!
[21:18] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Hey I have sdb now!
[21:20] <DarinMiller> :)
[21:20] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: ^^
[21:24] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Now need to format it, looking for HOWTOs now.  Hardly ever do this, so can't remember! LOL
[21:26] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: ext4?  I just use partion manager or gnome-disk.  fdisk works also, just hit h and follow the menu optons.
 /dev@IrcsomeBot
[21:44] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Tried using the KDE Partition Manager, it constantly errors and will not format the drive.  Trying gparted next, but update going on so will be a while!
[21:45] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: It's at Get 542, of ?? so who know when!
[21:47] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: Not sure what get 542 means....
[21:47] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: The update downloads count
[21:48] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: That has me on hold for a while as gparted is still not installed!
[21:49] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: OK extracting and processing, will attempt gparted download now!
[21:50] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Nope dpkg still busy!
[21:51] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Did you document your install using the separate root and home partitions?
[21:52] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Would like to read about that!
[21:53] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: dpkg is unpacking and processing 700 updates! Lucky me!
[21:54] <FortNhyver> goodevening eveyone :)
[21:54] <TBotNik> FortNhyver: Hi, not evening here yet, but close!
[21:55] <FortNhyver> i dont' have know
[21:55] <FortNhyver> :)
[22:09] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: https://sites.google.com/site/bcelinux/classroom-news/linuxinstallation
[22:10] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: some old notes I have for installing.
[22:15] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Thnx!
[22:16] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Well the "update" is in the "Setting up" phase so getting close to the end of that!
[22:21] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: The updates have been giving multiple errors of: This likely means that your installation is broken. Any ideas about that?
[22:22] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: from a terminal run: sudo apt update
[22:23] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: then sudo apt full-upgrade
[22:23] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: System is calling for reboot already and process not completed!
[22:24] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: at least wait for the install to complete. Is this Kubutnu 14.04?
[22:24] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Yes
[22:54] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: OK, gparted install, disk formatted, now mounting!
[22:55] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: Very good!  Are you planning to add it to your /etc/fstab file?
[23:01] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: All done! Thanks again buddy!
[23:01] <TBotNik> Signing off!


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[01:15] <vorlon> aha, ruby-asdf doesn't like proxies
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[05:13] <cpaelzer> infinity: not at all, this is not going to be a SRU - only aspecial PPA for Azure on their request
[05:13] <cpaelzer> and all the build time only packages will be gone eventually
[06:48] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, because of the server, this is already ongoing
[06:48] <LocutusOfBorg>  boinc-virtualbox | 7.14.2+dfsg-1       | disco/multiverse          | i386
[06:48] <LocutusOfBorg>  boinc-virtualbox | 7.14.2+dfsg-2       | disco/multiverse          | amd64
[06:49] <LocutusOfBorg> can anybody please remove that boinc-virtualbox on i386? it has been probably done wrongly... and virtualbox is not migrating because of it
[07:04] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, ^^ I think you did the boinc-virtualbox removal...
[07:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-xtensa-lx106 [amd64] (disco-proposed) [1]
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[07:25] <Trevinho> bdmurray: ah.... Well I think there was a mistake in the reference branch for upload... I should probably redo that
[07:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: gcc-9-cross (disco-proposed/primary) [0ubuntu1]
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[07:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-9-cross-ports [source] (disco-proposed) [0ubuntu1]
[08:30] <LocutusOfBorg> can any AA please process https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/edb/+bug/1814856 ?
[08:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-9-cross-ports [ppc64el] (disco-proposed/universe) [0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[10:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (xenial-proposed/main) [2.37.1 => 2.37.2] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (bionic-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>+18.04 => 2.37.2+18.04] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
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[12:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-pytest-lazy-fixture [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.5.1-1]
[12:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected gcc-9-cross-ports [arm64] (disco-proposed) [0ubuntu1]
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[12:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-docs-theme [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [2018.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[12:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-docs-theme [amd64] (disco-proposed) [2018.2-0ubuntu1]
[12:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: python3.8 (disco-proposed/primary) [3.8.0~a1-0ubuntu1]
[12:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python3.8 [source] (disco-proposed) [3.8.0~a1-0ubuntu1]
[13:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: node-trust-webcrypto (disco-proposed/primary) [0.9.2-1~exp1]
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[13:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-trust-webcrypto [sync] (disco-proposed) [0.9.2-1~exp1]
[13:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python3.8 [s390x] (disco-proposed) [3.8.0~a1-0ubuntu1]
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[13:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-trust-webcrypto [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.9.2-1~exp1]
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[14:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python3.8 [amd64] (disco-proposed) [3.8.0~a1-0ubuntu1]
[15:33] <bdmurray> Trevinho: Should I reject it then?
[15:55] <Trevinho> bdmurray: mh, I guess so...
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[15:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected unity-control-center [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [15.04.0+18.10.20190107-0ubuntu1]
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[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fonts-b612 [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [1.003+git20180121-1] (no packageset)
[20:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (bionic-proposed/main) [2.20.9-0ubuntu7.5 => 2.20.9-0ubuntu7.6] (core)
[20:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: golang-1.10 (xenial-security/universe) [1.10.4-2ubuntu1~16.04.1 => 1.10.4-2ubuntu1~16.04.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[21:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: qtbase-opensource-src-gles (disco-proposed/primary) [5.11.3+dfsg-1]
[21:15] <vorlon> tsimonq2, mitya57: ^^ just synced qtbase-opensource-src-gles from experimental; should we twiddle qtbase-opensource-src to be opengl on all archs?
[21:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qtbase-opensource-src-gles [sync] (disco-proposed) [5.11.3+dfsg-1]
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[21:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected golang-1.10 [sync] (xenial-security) [1.10.4-2ubuntu1~16.04.1]
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[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fonts-b612 [amd64] (disco-proposed) [1.003+git20180121-1]
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[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fonts-roadgeek [amd64] (disco-proposed) [3.1-1]
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[03:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4442 Ready to build (/:, /: Failed to update local lp:bamf cache., focal/Failed, focal/cache., focal/local, focal/lp:bamf, focal/to, focal/update). Successfully built (focal/bamf)
[03:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2162 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (zesty/aethercast). Ready to build (/:, /: Failed to update local lp:aethercast cache., xenial/Failed, xenial/cache., xenial/isc-dhcp, xenial/local, xenial/lp:aethercast, xenial/to, xenial/update, zesty/Failed, zesty/cache., zesty/isc-dhcp, zesty/local, zesty/lp:aethercast, zesty/to, zesty/update). Successfully built (xenial/aethercast)
[03:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4442 Ready to build (/:, focal/Failed, focal/cache., focal/local, focal/lp:bamf, focal/to, focal/update). Successfully built (focal/bamf)
[03:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2162 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/aethercast). Ready to build (/:, xenial/Failed, xenial/cache., xenial/isc-dhcp, xenial/local, xenial/lp:aethercast, xenial/to, xenial/update, zesty/Failed, zesty/cache., zesty/isc-dhcp, zesty/local, zesty/lp:aethercast, zesty/to, zesty/update). Successfully built (xenial/aethercast)


[00:20] <mwhudson> Unit193: i use the package import git for casper
[00:21] <Unit193> The only thing I found current just had imported dscs, not development commits. :/
[00:31] <mwhudson> Unit193: well yes
[00:33] <Unit193> mwhudson: I'm trying to narrow down why certain ISOs I'm playing with drop me in the initramfs, d/changelog and Launchpad diffs are nice but sometimes actual commits have more reasoning and much more narrow changes.  The importer is just as good as reviewing d/changelog and diffs. :/
[00:34] <mwhudson> Unit193: yeah, it's exactly as good as that
[00:34] <mwhudson> Unit193: i don't know of anything more finegrained though
[00:36] <Unit193> Eg https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/log/ is quite useful.  Ah, OK.  Well as long as it's "It doesn't exist" rather than "I can't find it", that'll do.  Thanks, mwhudson.
[11:43] <seb128> hum, https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html hasn't been updated for more than a day ... who is the right person to ping about that?
[11:44] <Laney> I can look at that
[11:44] <Laney> this happened last week too...
[11:45] <Laney> yeah, stuck process
[11:46] <rbasak> Does it use lots of launchpadlib? git-ubuntu tends to hang when Launchpad is struggling. I never got to the bottom of it.
[11:47] <seb128> Laney, thx
[11:49] <Laney> rbasak: Yeah, it's doing more or less what you'd expect to get a list of published packages in -proposed, check they've built, things like that - a lot of API usage
[11:49] <Laney> I can't see what it was doing
[11:50] <Laney> Not ideal that there's no monitoring
[11:50] <Laney> Maybe it could be run through 'timeout' at least
[15:57] <Laney> vorlon or tobikoch (found you in 'git log'): can you please comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu/+merge/370062 ? (cc kenvandine)
[15:57] <Laney> I thought that livecd-rootfs was supposed to be able to figure this out (hence sil2100 removing that entry), BICPW
[15:57] <Laney> BW*
[16:00] <Laney> possibly something around this area https://git.launchpad.net/livecd-rootfs/tree/live-build/functions#n485
[16:09] <tobikoch> Laney: the functionality is missing from livecd-rootfs in Xenial, afaict.
[16:16] <Laney> tobikoch: kenvandin_e said it was broken for eoan too (that MP is for the eoan seeds)
[16:20] <tobikoch> Laney: It should work in eoan.
[17:17] <vorlon> Laney, tobikoch: does mvo's livecd-rootfs MP fix this? https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/370065  It seems to only add validation, so maybe that just turns the runtime failure into a debuggable build failure
[17:17] <Laney> vorlon: we should get that in I think
[17:18] <vorlon> Laney: k. I'm off today, feel free to merge & upload or get someone from Foundations to do it
[17:18] <Laney> kenvandine is saying (#ubuntu-desktop) that core is always needed - snapd is saying "cannot proceed without seeding "core"" which certainly sounds fairly definitive
[17:18] <Laney> ('core' is missing from seed.yaml)
[17:19] <kenvandine> livecd-rootfs is added snapd if core isn't seeded
[17:19]  * Laney is off, please talk amongst yourselves :)
[17:19] <kenvandine> and according to the snapd folks, we still need core for the classic case
[17:19] <kenvandine> vorlon: ^^
[17:19] <kenvandine> vorlon: mvo's MP only adds a check to prevent us from getting broken images
[17:20] <vorlon> right, so we have to add core back into livecd-rootfs's handling to work around snapd not being ready for a core-free system (and now enforcing this at seed time instead of failing later)
[17:20] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:21] <kenvandine> might be better to seed core explicitly, which livecd-rootfs will see and not add snapd?
[17:21] <kenvandine> then we don't need to touch livecd-rootfs when we can have a core free system
[17:21] <kenvandine> just by changing the seeds
[17:21] <kenvandine> this way we can control this in the seed
[17:21]  * kenvandine prefers to be explicit
[17:22] <vorlon> I think that's inconsisent with the design principle of seeds, which is generally that you declare the top level / leaf packages that you care about and expect the machinery to spit out the right result
[17:23] <kenvandine> yeah, but without a dependency system
[17:23] <vorlon> we *don't* want the core snap as part of the definition of Ubuntu 19.10, but we have to pull it in because ugs
[17:23] <vorlon> bugs
[17:23] <vorlon> so I think the machinery should handle this, and not declare it in the seed
[17:24] <kenvandine> ok
[17:24] <kenvandine> mvo suggested they should really provide a tool for us to use in livecd-rootfs that takes the seed and figures out what needs to be added to pass validation
[17:24] <kenvandine> instead of having the logic in livecd-rootfs itself
[17:25] <kenvandine> that doesn't exist today, but would be nice to have in the future
[17:28] <kenvandine> vorlon: go back to enjoying your time off and I'll handle this
[17:28] <kenvandine> vorlon: thanks for your feedback
[17:29]  * vorlon waves :)
[20:05] <kenvandine>  /query tobijk


[21:55] <DingTo> hey everyone
[21:55] <DingTo> i am new to ubuntu mobile, just read about it, and i want to ask if it also works on a acer aspire one netbook
[21:56] <persia> DingTo, A number of people have reported success with both Desktop and Netbook Remix on that hardware.  I haven't heard of any reports running MID.
[21:57] <DingTo> ok
[21:57] <DingTo> i am currently running eeebuntu on it, but it gets slower and slower
[21:57] <DingTo> i need a fast system on it
[21:58] <DingTo> i know the netbook remix, but i only can find the beta of jaunty, is there a stable release with intrepid core? (8.10)?
[21:59] <playya> maybe someone should teach ubottu about answering yes or no if someone asks "work.*<hardwarename>\?"
[21:59] <DingTo> :-)
[22:00] <persia> There isn't any intrepid netbook remix.
[22:00] <persia> After hardy released, some additional work was done to create the netbook remix.
[22:01] <persia> Some of that was integrated for intrepid, but some of it didn't work.
[22:01] <DingTo> ah ok
[22:01] <persia> Everything was integrated with jaunty.
[22:01] <DingTo> so better wait for that
[22:02] <DingTo> thank you for the info
[22:04] <persia> DingTo, If you'd like to help test (perhaps running a live session), there's still an opportunity to report any outstanding critical bugs (which can't be as easily fixed post-release)
[22:05] <DingTo> sure
[22:06] <DingTo> this one?
[22:06] <DingTo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/current/
[22:07] <ogra> http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[22:07] <ogra> you want ubuntu-9.04-rc-netbook-remix-i386.img
[22:07] <persia> DingTo, Either works.  Yours is the daily build.  The beta is a bit more stable.
[22:08] <DingTo> ok so this one
[22:08] <DingTo> http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/ubuntu-9.04-rc-netbook-remix-i386.img
[22:08] <DingTo> ok, will download it, thanks
[22:08] <persia> That's a good image to use to test, yes.
[22:11] <DingTo> if i install the rc, can i upgrade to the stable version by the update system or do i need another image file?
[22:11] <DingTo> i have a slow connection...
[22:11] <persia> You can just upgrade.
[22:11] <DingTo> ok
[22:12] <persia> Be warned that you'll get more updates before release than normal, just as final fixes are applied.
[22:13] <persia> And thanks for helping with the testing.
[22:15] <DingTo> you're welcome
[22:15] <DingTo> i as a end user benefit from a stable release
[22:15] <DingTo> so its also in my interest to test
[22:17] <persia> Well, sure, but not everyone does :)
[22:17] <DingTo> i know
[22:18] <DingTo> well i am familiar with "how open source works"
[22:18] <DingTo> i do testing and small bugfixing for Blender for 1 year now
[22:19] <persia> Cool.
[22:25] <lool> persia: <----
[22:25] <lool> :-P
[22:28] <persia> lool ?
[22:29] <DingTo> lol
[22:30] <lool> persia: I was pointing at the channel on the left :)
[22:30] <DingTo> persia: wow, you are in lots of channels
[22:30] <ogra> lool, ? left ? its above not left !
[22:31] <persia> DingTo, Indeed, although my IRC isn't limited to freenode.
[22:31] <DingTo> nice
[22:45] <DingTo> pc change


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[12:18] <Riddell> how do I view or edit an ubottu factoid?
[12:20] <jussi> Riddell: call it with !factoid. to edit, do !factoid is <reply>Factoid reply here.
[12:21] <Riddell> really? I have no memory of that
[12:21] <jussi> Riddell: that just does an edit request - its on the bots site :)
[12:21] <jussi> !bot
[12:21] <jussi> but Ill handle your request already.