[00:10] <Quintasan> Start in 16 minutes (12505)
[00:10] <Quintasan> What can have a bigger score than this? :O
[00:49] <Quintasan> oh god
[00:50] <Quintasan> I bumped wrong build-deps
[00:50] <Quintasan> :O
[00:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: omfg ping
[00:58] <Quintasan> kde-sc-dev-latest: Breaks: libmarble-dev (< 4:4.5.0) but 4:4.4.92-0ubuntu2 is to be installed.
[00:58] <Quintasan> :O
[00:59] <Quintasan> I somehow think I'm missing something
[01:01] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFFFF
[01:02] <Quintasan> !package libmarble5
[01:02] <Quintasan> !package libmarble5 maverick
[01:02] <Quintasan> !package libmarble4 maverick
[01:02] <Quintasan> FFF
[01:02] <Quintasan> !search libmarble
[01:02] <Quintasan> !search libmarble4
[01:02] <Quintasan> that's edu
[01:02] <Quintasan> grr
[01:04]  * Quintasan is too tired to do anything
[01:04] <Quintasan> Night
[01:06] <Tm_T> Quintasan: sleep well
[09:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: a bug in meta-kde perhaps, IIRC it uses << otherwise
[09:18] <apachelogger> also
[09:18] <apachelogger> "I have returned"
[09:21]  * nigelb switches on sirens.  apachelogger is back.
[09:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan: libmarble-dev (<< ${devLatest:Version})
[09:23] <apachelogger> I think your problem is of a different nature
[09:24] <apachelogger> ryanakca: how can one accidently delete one's .kde Oo
[09:45] <Quintasan> yes
[09:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it's just that kdeedu depends on bindings
[09:46] <Quintasan> and since we do not have kdeedu we do not have libmarble
[09:46] <Quintasan> why the heck edu module depends on bindings?
[09:47] <apachelogger> OHHH
[09:47] <apachelogger> circular dep?
[09:47] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:47] <Quintasan> are you serious?
[09:47] <Quintasan> kdeedu
[09:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer
[09:47] <Quintasan> bzr(w8 on bindings)
[09:47] <apachelogger> well if edu depends on bindings and bindings on edu
[09:47] <apachelogger> ...
[09:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: marble got python stuff I thinks
[09:47] <Quintasan> TROLOLOL
[09:48] <apachelogger> which ought to be the reason edu builddeps on bindings
[09:49] <Quintasan> so. what should be built first?
[09:49] <Quintasan> I can do bindings but not upload em
[09:49] <Quintasan> oh wait
[09:49] <Quintasan> it's only 6mb
[09:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: neither
[09:51] <apachelogger> the circular dep needs to be resolved
[09:52] <apachelogger> eheheh
[09:52] <apachelogger> sec
[09:52] <Quintasan> what
[09:52] <Quintasan> bindings do not depend on edu
[09:53] <apachelogger> what is the problem then?
[09:53] <Quintasan> nothing :O
[09:53] <apachelogger> I do not understand you really :P
[09:55] <Quintasan> Neither I doo
[09:55] <Quintasan> do*
[09:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: kdegames are bigger than 20MB?
[10:25] <apachelogger> Quintasan: dunno
[10:26] <apachelogger> not particularly small anyway
[10:42] <Quintasan> grr
[10:42] <Quintasan> kremotecontrol was removed from kdeutils it seems
[10:52] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I wonder where the hell it went
[11:21] <Quintasan> hell it is there but is not built
[11:21] <Quintasan> omfg and tons of headers not installed
[11:22] <apachelogger> I always like a good testbuild before upload
[11:22] <apachelogger> ...oh hold on...
[11:22] <apachelogger> :P
[11:24] <apachelogger> still no merge for my kwallet stuff
[11:27] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: any progress on merge konversation?
[11:34] <Quintasan> hurr
[11:34] <Quintasan> apachelogger: kdebase-workspace is broken
[11:34] <Quintasan> missing some devstuff
[11:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how so?
[11:35] <Quintasan> beats me
[11:35] <Quintasan> let me check bzr
[11:35] <apachelogger> well
[11:35] <apachelogger> what is the problem?
[11:36] <Quintasan> kdeutils fails to find kde4workspace and kremotecontrol is not built
[11:36] <apachelogger> #no need to ship dev symlink
[11:36] <apachelogger> ./usr/lib/libkwinnvidiahack.so
[11:36] <apachelogger> ./usr/lib/libtime_solar.so
[11:36] <apachelogger> ./usr/lib/libplasmagenericshell.so
[11:36] <apachelogger> ./usr/lib/libksignalplotter.so
[11:36] <apachelogger> ./usr/lib/libsystemsettingsview.so
[11:36] <apachelogger> ./usr/lib/libplasma_applet-system-monitor.so
[11:36] <apachelogger> those?
[11:36] <Quintasan> no
[11:37] <Quintasan> ha
[11:37] <Quintasan> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/revision/392
[11:37] <Quintasan> >KDE4Workspace-4.4.*
[11:37] <Quintasan> I think instead of removing that I should have replaced 4.4 with 4.5
[11:37] <Quintasan> silly me
[11:37] <Quintasan> apachelogger: can you reupload it?
[11:37] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:38] <apachelogger> silly you indeed
[11:38] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you can upload too now
[11:38] <apachelogger> just do not build with -sa ;)
[11:38] <Quintasan> oh no need to push tarball
[11:38] <Quintasan> great
[11:39]  * apachelogger feels like uploading a patched ubuntuone-client so that kwallet works
[11:39] <yofel> finally some progress :) bug 579491
[11:41] <Quintasan> oh
[11:41] <Quintasan> great
[11:58] <apachelogger> Quintasan: when is release?
[12:03] <CIA-98> [kde-l10n-common] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog control rules) New upstream release
[12:15] <CIA-98> [kde-l10n-common] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/build-l10n.sh switch to stable
[12:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: wiKi says  it's on 4th August
[12:16] <apachelogger> oh dear
[12:16] <apachelogger> we better get started with lucid then?!
[12:39] <Quintasan> yup
[12:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: last testbuild and kdebase-workspace with no missings shall be uploaded
[12:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: one thing, can we filter out files from not-installed in list-missing hook?
[12:46] <Quintasan> gah stupid build-depends
[12:47] <Quintasan> and silly me for removing dev files
[13:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: filter out?
[13:05] <apachelogger> not-installed is already filtering list-missing
[13:18] <apachelogger> kde-l10n takes so very longish :(
[13:20] <Quintasan> gah
[13:20] <Quintasan> work space
[13:20] <Quintasan> then utils testbuild
[13:25] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: get to work
[13:25] <Quintasan> nao!
[13:26] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:26] <shadeslayer> how did you know im online?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> i need to install nvidia-current firsst :P
[13:27] <Quintasan> nothing comes first before packaging
[13:27] <Quintasan> !
[13:27] <shadeslayer> nvidia-current does
[13:27] <shadeslayer> i need to ge that install first
[13:27] <Quintasan> Why you...
[13:27] <Quintasan> No excuses, to work1
[13:27] <Quintasan> !
[13:27] <shadeslayer> and then i need to get a cowbuilder :P
[13:28] <Quintasan> !!1!!1!!
[13:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dude whats left?
[13:28] <Quintasan> >get a cowbuilder
[13:28] <Quintasan> you are not keeping it on another partition
[13:28] <Quintasan> ?
[13:28] <Quintasan> XD
[13:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: edu ffs
[13:28] <shadeslayer> edu is in bzr
[13:28] <Quintasan> testbuild it
[13:29] <shadeslayer> i did
[13:29] <Quintasan> so upload it
[13:29] <shadeslayer> seemed to build fine :P
[13:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: alright
[13:29] <Quintasan> kdeplasma-addons is on depwait
[13:29] <Quintasan> and I need to update headers in kdeutils
[13:29] <Quintasan> but kdebase-workspace comes first
[13:51] <apachelogger> the flipping fish!
[13:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan, shadeslayer: kdelibs' changelog entry needs merging with the previous one
[13:52] <Quintasan> FFFF
[13:52] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: do it
[13:52] <Quintasan> I'm busty with workspace
[13:52] <Quintasan> lol
[13:52] <Quintasan> busy*
[13:59] <Quintasan> It seems lex has arrived
[14:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude... i cant install nvidia drivers and everything is slooowww
[14:13] <apachelogger> so do not install it
[14:14] <shadeslayer> i need to install them to get it at full speed :P
[14:15] <apachelogger> Quintasan: opinions on adding the addtional packages covered by ninja to the depgraph?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> brrrrr
 For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not be currently installable at the moment
[14:29] <apachelogger> holy dot
[14:29] <apachelogger> http://www.graphviz.org/Gallery/twopi/twopi2.html
[14:30] <apachelogger> that is srsly scary
[14:31] <shadeslayer> wow
[14:32] <shadeslayer> i wish i could see the whole image properly :P
[14:33] <shadeslayer> http://www.graphviz.org/Gallery/twopi/twopi2.svg <<
[14:35] <apachelogger> get the dot code and render it :P
[14:35] <apachelogger> anyhow
[14:36] <apachelogger> does anyone know if/how one can make a graph reuse edges ... i.e. if a->b and a->c and b->c so that instead of actually drawing an explicit edge from a->c the connection is represeneted via a->b->c?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: render it with?
[14:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dot
[14:38] <shadeslayer> python-pydot <<
[14:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what?
[14:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dot
[14:39] <shadeslayer> !find dot
[14:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: theres no package dot :P
[14:40] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://www.graphviz.org/doc/info/constraint.gif
[14:40] <apachelogger> instead of having it draw a triangle, draw a line
[14:40] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: where is my edu
[14:40] <apachelogger> implying that a is connected to c via b
[14:40] <apachelogger> since a->b && b->c => a->c
[14:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dude hold on :P
[14:41] <shadeslayer> i need to get this cruft working first :/
[14:43] <apachelogger> ah
[14:43] <apachelogger> uh
[14:43]  * apachelogger might have found something
[14:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i installed kgraphviewer to see it :P
[14:46] <apachelogger> tred \o/
[14:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I did not even know there was such a thing
[14:46] <shadeslayer> heheh :P
[14:47] <apachelogger> ah beautiful!
[14:47] <apachelogger> tred++
[14:47]  * apachelogger doesnt know why that is built into dot
[14:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw why do you need edu? anything depends on it?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> ( anything you working on it that depends on it )
[14:51] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: available?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: ill do konversation tonight... first week of school was busy as hell
[14:52] <shadeslayer> or if your free do it :P
[14:52] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: school? :O
[14:52] <ari-tczew> where do you live?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: India :)
[14:53] <ari-tczew> in Poland we got a holiday
[14:53] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[14:53] <shadeslayer> my holidays were only for 6 weeks, in which i had to do industrial training :P
[14:53] <shadeslayer> ok brb after reboot
[14:54] <ari-tczew> I could merge konversation ,but I don't like work with PC without sound. on my maverick sound has been lost :/
[14:59] <ari-tczew> whoooooooooo! \o/ gnome-alsamixer rulez
[15:05] <Quintasan> Could NOT find KDE4Workspace  (missing:  KDE4Workspace_CONFIG)
[15:05] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
[15:06] <Quintasan> I have no missing files T_T
[15:07] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: I've fixed sound! The solve was very easy. PCM was muted. I've fixed it on gnome-alsamixer.
[15:08] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: btw you need to enable all channels in KMix
[15:08] <shadeslayer> incase you didnt know :P
[15:08] <Quintasan> oh god
[15:09] <shadeslayer> gah..no..meh... :P
[15:10] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:10] <apachelogger> kpraheditor is certainly not very stable
[15:10] <apachelogger> add a vertex and all goes kabooom
[15:11] <shadeslayer> dantti_: are you going to fix the bug that causes kpk to check for upgrades all the time in 0.6.1 ?
[15:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: do you actually dep on kdebaseworkspace-dev?
[15:14] <Quintasan> yes
[15:14] <Quintasan> Just retried the testbuild and it grabbed new version
[15:16] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/AmZOlzKQ.html
[15:17]  * apachelogger ponders looking into debtree
[15:19] <apachelogger> hm
[15:19] <apachelogger> somehow debtree makes things worse
[15:22] <apachelogger> hm
[15:22] <apachelogger> I am not sure I like my new graph
[15:25] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[15:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: kdeedu poke
[15:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: importing my GPG keys
[15:29] <Quintasan> I hope that this time you have your /home on a different partition
[15:29] <Quintasan> ^_^
[15:29] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:29] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:29] <shadeslayer> i have a /media/Data and /media/Backup
[15:29] <Quintasan> omfg
[15:31] <shadeslayer> so my keys are on backup :D
[15:33]  * apachelogger would have guess data since they are data
[15:33] <apachelogger> eheh
[15:33] <apachelogger> in the name of ugress
[15:33] <apachelogger> wath the french fries
[15:33] <Quintasan> god damn I forgot
[15:33] <Quintasan> someone hit me with something
[15:34] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:34] <apachelogger> why does the ppa page of a private ppa suggest adding public ppa lines to sources.list
[15:34] <apachelogger> how stupido is that now
[15:34]  * apachelogger hits Quintasan with soyuz hoping that either will break
[15:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: they are in backup because thats where i keep my data from $HOME
[15:34] <Quintasan> great
[15:35] <Quintasan> I pushed commit to make it build but I forgot to add dev headers to kdeutils
[15:35] <apachelogger> that is what you get for rushing
[15:35] <Quintasan> That is what I get for being angry
[15:35] <Quintasan> Or playing games during building
[15:35] <apachelogger> :O
[15:36]  * apachelogger is supposed to attend a games evening with some weird card game or such
[15:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: lowlevel stack for lucid is up
[15:37] <apachelogger> preparing oxygen right now
[15:37] <apachelogger> feel free to go ahead with the other stuff you see ready for backport
[15:41]  * apachelogger is wondering why we have no lucid branches really
[15:41] <apachelogger> would make things so much easier
[15:42] <apachelogger> come to think of it
[15:42] <apachelogger> pkg-kde-tools actually needs resyncing with upstream
[15:42] <apachelogger> ....
[15:43] <CIA-98> [kde-l10n-common-lucid] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (build-l10n.sh changelog control rules) (log message trimmed)
[15:43] <CIA-98> * Lucid backport. * Depend on libkdecore5 rather than on kdelibs5, since the
[15:43] <CIA-98> latter is transitional now * New upstream release * New upstream release *
[15:44] <CIA-98> [kde-l10n-common-lucid] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog merge
[15:59] <Quintasan> FFFFFUUUU-
[15:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: why on earth list-missing lists all dev headers?
[16:01] <Quintasan> oh wait
[16:02] <Quintasan> aren't those commented out in control?
[16:02] <Quintasan> nope they are not
[16:04] <Quintasan> okay I need to cool down
[16:04] <Quintasan> I rushed kdeutils too much
[16:25] <apachelogger> I told you so...
[16:25] <apachelogger> oh!
[16:25] <apachelogger> kde-l10n-common needs a switch to turn off desktop file imports
[16:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: the release script cannot do git tagging because it was not supported on gitorious
[16:29] <apachelogger> also
[16:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: when can we meet again?
[16:30]  * apachelogger feels incomplete :(
[16:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: uploading kdedu
[16:31] <shadeslayer> *kdeedu
[16:31] <shadeslayer> i hope all other deps are in place
[16:31] <apachelogger> you hope?
[16:31] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:31] <apachelogger> that is the wrong attitude my dear friend
[16:32] <shadeslayer> ok checking :D
[16:32] <shadeslayer> yeah theyre there
[16:34] <shadeslayer> this will take time
[16:52] <apachelogger> oh a new version of mint is out
[16:52] <apachelogger> yay
[16:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is that good for kubuntu>
[16:58] <apachelogger> well they are downstream to us...
[16:58] <apachelogger> OTOH our downstream is not very communicative I feel :S
[16:59] <shadeslayer> wow.. kubuntu is upstream for mint? .. amazing
[16:59] <shadeslayer> edu uploaded
[17:01] <shadeslayer> afk for a while
[17:04] <Nightrose> apachelogger: *huggles*
[17:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that does not answer my question ;)
[17:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i no :/
[17:30] <apachelogger> aha!
[17:30] <apachelogger> oho!
[17:30] <apachelogger> uha!
[17:30] <apachelogger> !info akonadi maverick
[17:30] <apachelogger> !info akonadi-server maverick
[17:30] <apachelogger> oha!
[17:31] <apachelogger> any taked on updating that to 1.4?
[17:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I am pondering coming to the release party in stuttgart
[17:31] <apachelogger> then again I think someone annnounced to come visit graz that weekend *shrug*
[17:41] <abhijit> hello
[17:41] <abhijit> :)
[17:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: kde-l10n for ludicrous lullaby is ready...
[17:42] <shadeslayer> abhijit: hey :D
[17:42] <abhijit> shadeslayer, :)
[17:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i think kdeedu is done
[17:58] <shadeslayer> building that is
[18:07] <Quintasan> well
[18:07] <Quintasan> Great
[18:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I'm testing maverick upgrade
[18:08] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: thanks, retrying kdeplasma-addons
[18:08]  * Quintasan goes powernap
[18:08] <Quintasan> and moar lucid packaging
[18:09]  * apachelogger should have been out the door half an hour ago
[18:09] <apachelogger> rightly, someone continue doing lucid backports...
[18:25] <yofel> hm, how does sound work now in maverick? my default phonon is set like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/fie8Ryx.html and I have no sound until I move 'Internal Audio Analog Stereo' to the top (that's pulse?)
[18:25] <yofel> s/my/by/
[18:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: i have http://imgur.com/uRvLN in maverick
[18:27] <yofel> yeah, which is ok, but I have a hdmi port in my thinkpad which isn't only for video obviously, and for some reason that's the preferred output..
[18:28] <yofel> (dummy comes from my last session where I played around with the settings and ended up with only dummy output available I guess)
[18:28] <shadeslayer> i would guess the HDMI out does audio too
[18:28] <shadeslayer> i think thats the latest feature in HDMI ports
[18:29] <yofel> it does, hdmi is audio and video, that doesn't help me though as my phonon ignores my notebook speakers by default which isn't really nice
[18:29] <yofel> esp. since I don't have anything connected to the hdmi port
[19:19]  * Quintasan had pizza right away after his power nap
[19:19] <Quintasan> awesome
[19:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you were asking about soprano or akonadi before?
[20:32] <crimsun> apachelogger: what did you need? I have nothing in my backscroll, sorry.
[20:33] <Nightrose> apachelogger: \o/ yes! co0me to stuttgart
[20:41] <maco> ugghhhh something nasty is going on with plasma netbook in the beta ppa
[20:41] <maco> the 4.5 rc
[20:42] <maco> a mysterious white window keeps coming up.  its just blank..dont know where it comes from. it shows up and disappears repeatedly if i view window list....has no title, and my attempts at xprop'ing it failed since it just kinda disappears and i get the xprop data of the window behind :-/
[20:43] <maco> accessing the panel makes it show up, and then trying to go back to what im doing...my screen just flashes back and forth between the window im on and solid white over and over
[20:44] <maco> and my google-fu is failing me
[20:45] <shadeslayer> maco: just in case.. is rekonq/browser running at that time with flash ?
[20:45] <maco> firefox is running but i dont think there's any flash stuff
[20:45] <shadeslayer> hmm.. well its genrally flash+browser here
[20:45] <maco> can try killing firefox
[20:46] <maco> wahhh immediately after killing firefox it went strobe-light on me
[20:46] <crimsun> that's a Feature.
[20:46] <maco> the white window is still there
[20:46] <crimsun> that, too, is a Feature.
[20:47] <maco> i tried closing it before, and it crashed plasma netbook
[20:47] <maco> crimsun: you have an odd definition of feature
[20:47] <crimsun> not just "feature". "Feature".
[20:47] <maco> crimsun: oh youre speaking in ScottKisms?
[20:48] <crimsun> are you implying scott is older than the OED?
[20:48] <maco> im referring to his usage of it
[20:48] <maco> if i try to alt+tab to search&launch, that also starts it going. i have to access that screen through the panel
[20:55] <maco> ok i *think* its gone. after changing settings to use a clean session each login, its not here right now.. will see how long that lasts
[20:55] <maco> now, battery out so bye
[21:06] <neversfelde> shtylman: ping
[21:07] <shtylman> neversfelde: pong
[21:07] <neversfelde> shtylman: hi, you created the new kubuntu logo, right?
[21:07] <shtylman> neversfelde: I think thats the story we are going with :)
[21:08] <neversfelde> shtylman: we need a new logo for kubuntu-de.org, too. How hard is it to add a -de.org to it? And how can I do this?
[21:09] <shtylman> you want the whole thing to say kubuntu-do.org (circle) ?
[21:10] <shtylman> neversfelde: now that the ubuntu font is in beta, should be very easy, just get the font and make the text
[21:10] <shtylman> neversfelde: I didn't make the text part anyway
[21:10] <shtylman> but it is just written using the new font iirc
[21:13] <neversfelde> shtylman: so, simply open it in an application like inkscape and add some letters? I will try it, thanks
[21:13] <shtylman> neversfelde: the current svg probly wasn't made like that.. but yes.. just use inkscape to get the circle logo and type out kubuntu-de.org in the new font
[21:13] <shtylman> should be just fine
[21:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dont you test build? :P


[08:34] <lubmil> dzień
[14:37] <Kilos> Researcher ping
[14:54] <Kilos> hi mustu hopefully the ownership will be changed soon
[14:54] <Kilos> i might be away for a few days with travelling
[14:54] <Kilos> can you keep Researcher informed please
[14:55] <Kilos> im hoping mhall119 will keep you updated on the progress
[15:19] <mhall119> Kilos: I didn't see an email from you to the owners of the -pk mailing list,did you copy me on it?
[15:29] <Kilos> oh my mhall119 i dont think so
[15:29] <Kilos> let me see if i can find it
[15:30] <Kilos> yes hmit went to CC and LC
[15:30] <Kilos> mhall119
[15:31] <Kilos> thats the one that nathan said was too abrupt,
[15:32] <Kilos> Researcher must take over when he gets time. as far as i know peeps have been trying for years to get replies there
[15:32] <mhall119> Kilos: what was the subject line?
[15:32] <Kilos> list admins
[15:33] <mhall119> Kilos: oh, you sent that to ubuntu-pk-owner, I asked you to send it directly to bajwa at ubuntu.com, fouadbajwa at gmail.com
[15:34] <Kilos> i also tried to contact them via the wiki contact this person when i first started
[15:34] <Kilos> ok let me see , i must have done that too
[15:37] <Kilos> dont find one, must have slipped my mind or something
[15:37] <Kilos> ill try do it now
[15:37] <mustu> alright
[15:40] <Kilos> mustu have you got fouadbajwa email address for me please
[15:41] <mustu> Fouad Bajwa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:42] <Kilos> lol just found it as well ty
[15:42] <Kilos> head thumping today
[15:43] <mustu> :)
[15:43] <mustu> I also have this in my archive Fouad Riaz Bajwa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:47] <Kilos> i have just used this one now
[15:48] <Kilos> mhall119 i hope that mail sounds friendlier
[15:49] <Kilos> and if i am missing for a few days mhall119 can mustu and Researcher carry on with your help please
[15:49] <mhall119> Kilos: absolutely
[15:50] <Kilos> thanks alot
[15:50] <mhall119> Kilos: for future reference, starting off an email by telling someone their loco is broken isn't very friendly
[15:53] <Kilos> oh ok
[15:54] <Kilos> ill try do better next time,
[15:55] <Kilos> maybe i should first practise with american locos
[15:55] <Kilos> hehe
[16:24] <lubmil> !pdk świeżo otwarty
[16:24] <ChanSeba> lubmil: smacznej kawy! :)
[17:03] <bj_> hello everyone
[17:04] <ahmed_bilal> hello
[17:08] <ahmed_bilal> ping #ubuntu-pk
[18:01] <Kilos> cheers guys im packing lappy stuff up then sleeping
[18:01] <Kilos> leaving early
[18:01] <Kilos> will be online when i can again, maybe 3 days or so
[18:02] <Kilos> keep well all of you
[19:54] <lubmil> .s
[19:54] <ChanSeba> Sentencja na 242. dzień roku: „Wiem więcej niż umiem wyrazić, a to co umiem wyrazić, mogę wyrazić jedynie dlatego, że wiem więcej. (Vladimir Nabokov, zapytany czy wierzy w Boga)”
[19:55] <lubmil> .tr :pl :en Sentencja na 242. dzień roku: ?Wiem więcej niż umiem wyrazić, a to co umiem wyrazić, mogę wyrazić jedynie dlatego, że wiem więcej. (Vladimir Nabokov, zapytany czy wierzy w Boga)?
[19:55] <ChanSeba> Saying 242. day of the year: ?I know more than I can say, and what I can Express, I can Express only because I know more. (Vladimir Nabokov, responding to a question whether he believes in God)?
[19:55] <lubmil> .tr :en :pl Saying 242. day of the year: ?I know more than I can say, and what I can Express, I can Express only because I know more. (Vladimir Nabokov, responding to a question whether he believes in God)?
[19:55] <ChanSeba> Mówię 242. dzień w roku: ?- Wiem więcej, niż mogę powiedzieć, co mogę powiedzieć, mogę wyrazić tylko dlatego, że wiem więcej. (Vladimir Nabokov, odpowiadając na pytanie, czy wierzy w Boga)?
[19:56] <lubmil> ChanSeba: brawo, prawie
[19:56] <lubmil> .tr :pl :en wyrazić
[19:56] <ChanSeba> Express
[19:57] <lubmil> RajRajRaj
[22:59] <lubmil> .s
[22:59] <ChanSeba> Sentencja na 243. dzień roku: „Zabójstwo jest to ekstremalna forma cenzury. (Shaw)”
[22:59] <lubmil> .tr :pl :en Sentencja na 243. dzień roku: ?Zabójstwo jest to ekstremalna forma cenzury. (Shaw)?
[22:59] <ChanSeba> Saying for 243. day of the year: ?Murder is the most extreme form of censorship. (The show)?
[23:16] <lubmil> .seen rajrajraj
[23:16] <ChanSeba> lubmil: I last saw rajrajraj at 2016-08-29 14:12:43 UTC on #bluzgi


[21:16] <thumper> Unable to fetch Juju GUI info: error fetching simplestreams metadata: cannot read product data, invalid URL "https://streams.canonical.com/juju/gui/streams/v1/com.canonical.streams-released-gui.sjson" not found
[21:16] <thumper> hmm...
[21:16] <thumper> why do I still get this bootstrapping lxd
[21:16] <thumper> menn0: do you get that ^^^ ?
[21:25] <menn0> thumper: checking
[21:34] <thumper> well... that was disappointing
[21:35] <thumper> I had something that should have blocked 50% of the agents from stopping
[21:41] <menn0> thumper: I don't get that GUI simplstreams error
[21:41] <thumper> hmm...
[21:41] <thumper> weird
[21:41] <thumper> I always get it
[21:41] <thumper> perhaps it is my proxy setup?
[21:42] <thumper> menn0: got time for a quick call?
[21:42] <thumper> I have a question or two
[21:42] <menn0> thumper: sure
[21:42] <thumper> hangout or bluejeans?
[21:43] <menn0> thumper: I just jumped into our 1:1 HO
[23:12] <mup> Bug #1627554 opened: juju binary broken on sierra <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627554>


[12:59] <Keybuk> *bounce*
[10:49] <reppel> hi, is it possible to start a daemon with a given user?
[10:49] <reppel> (eg. not root)
[11:37] <reppel> oops
[01:43] <reppel> is "with" implemented in complex-complex-event-config?
[01:43] <_ion> Not IIRC
[01:44] <_ion> The whole thing is probably going to be redesigned. :-)
[01:45] <reppel> _ion: what do you mean with "the whole thing" ?
[01:51] <_ion> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/ComplexEventConfig/UseCases
[02:02] <reppel> thanks
[08:17] <khermans__> hello!
[08:18] <khermans__> Ubuntu Server uses upstart and boots increibly fast -- is this because of upstart?
[08:18] <khermans__> how can i prove it?


[01:40] <RenatoSilva> jelmer: hi
[02:27] <jelmer> RenatoSilva: hi
[02:28] <RenatoSilva> jelmer: hi. I've merge from trunk, tests passed ok. Just the diff a bit weird
[02:32] <jelmer> RenatoSilva: sorry, I think I miss context?
[02:33] <RenatoSilva> jelmer: sorry, https://code.launchpad.net/~renatosilva/bzr-email/mail-customization/+merge/68932
[02:39] <jelmer> RenatoSilva: ah, thanks
[02:39] <jelmer> I'll have a look tomorrow
[02:39] <RenatoSilva> ok thanks
[04:33] <aminpy> http://dpaste.com/575029/plain/ <- can anybody help me?
[04:51] <aminpy> how can I run this command -> bzr branch lp:openerp <- with ssh?
[05:06] <maxb> lp: Will automatically translate to ssh once you've set your launchpad username with "bzr lp-login"
[05:09] <aminpy> maxb, how can I set my launchpad username with ...?
[05:09] <aminpy> sorry I'm new in bzr
[05:10] <maxb> Run 'bzr help lp-login'
[05:23] <aminpy> maxb, I dont find anything, can you tell me what command should I use?
[07:42] <aminpy> http://dpaste.com/575126/plain/ <- can anybody help me?
[07:42] <spiv> aminpy: upgrade your bzr; there's a problem with an HTTP proxy, but upgrading bzr will avoid the issue.
[07:43] <spiv> (As a tangent, you probably don't need to be running bzr as root)
[07:47] <aminpy> spiv, how can I upgrade bzr in debian?
[07:48] <aminpy> spiv, my bzr version -> 2.1.2
[08:44] <vila> maxb: I just realized that 2.3.4 included the fix for NoFinalPath import failures
[08:45] <vila> maxb: All the involved packages had a pending lock (almost all of them in their updates/.../oneiric branch) which I broke
[08:45] <vila> maxb: I've requeued them all and they are processing right now
[08:48] <vila> maxb: gnome-orca succeeded \o/
[08:49] <vila> maxb: paramiko succeeded \o/
[08:53] <vila> maxb: some failed with AppendRev..Violation, so it's a net progress anyway ;)
[08:57] <vila> maxb: gwibber succeeded \o/
[08:57] <vila> I can enjoy my vacations now :)
[09:19] <AuroraBorealis> so, anyone know how to get bzr explorer working on lion?
[09:19] <AuroraBorealis> or...bzr in general
[10:25] <AuroraBorealis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-mac-installers/+bug/731391?comments=all fixes it if anyone is interested!
[10:26] <jelmer> hi AuroraBorealis
[10:27] <AuroraBorealis> hello.
[10:47] <jelmer> AuroraBorealis: have you tried the fix suggested by griker?
[10:49] <AuroraBorealis> i did.
[10:49] <AuroraBorealis> and it worked.
[10:52] <jelmer> AuroraBorealis: any chance you can mention that on the bug report?
[10:52] <jelmer> it seems like at least two people confirmed the issue and the fix, so I'll set the status back to confirmed
[10:52] <AuroraBorealis> yeah i'll do that
[10:52] <jelmer> I don't have a Mac OS X machine to verify, but hopefully this is enough info for d0xx to fix it.
[10:52] <AuroraBorealis> still not sure what the issue is (that the default python version is different then 2.6?)
[10:54] <AuroraBorealis> and just commented.
[10:55] <jelmer> AuroraBorealis: it seems that bzrlib is installed to the python2.6 directory, while bzr uses the default python
[10:55] <jelmer> and the default python has changed to python2.7 in lion
[10:56] <AuroraBorealis> ah
[15:09] <jimis> I have a huge diff that I want to commit little by little. Do you know of some tool to interactively pick the changes I want?
[15:10] <jelmer> jimis: you can shelve the changes you don't want and commit bits at a time ("bzr shelve") ?
[15:16] <jimis> jelmer: you mean apply the huge diff, shelve, and then unshelve selectively?
[15:17] <jimis> how would I do the last part?
[15:21] <jelmer> jimis: I'm not sure if you can selectively unshelve, I usually selectively shelve
[15:26] <jimis> jelmer: in that case can I commit only the shelved bits, ignoring working dir state?
[15:37] <jelmer> jimis: I don't think there is anything to do that at the moment
[15:41] <jimis> ok
[15:42] <jimis> I am now looking for some generic tool to cherry-pick changes from a diff
[15:42] <jimis> VCS-independant
[16:27] <LeoNerd> I wrote a tool for that at my first job.. A filter for a patch that outputs another patch. say yes/no per chunk.. It did some rewriting of line numbers too, to account for absent chunks
[16:27] <LeoNerd> Sadly I didn't get to keep it though
[16:28] <jelmer> jimis: perhaps there's something in diffutils
[16:47] <maxb> I find (insert your favourite editor here) and recountdiff do just fine
[18:02] <jimis> Is there a problem with launchpad vcs-imports?
[18:02] <jimis> lp:gcc hasn't been updated for some time now
[19:38] <jelmer> jimis: yes, it's being worked on
[19:38] <jelmer> hi mgz
[20:52] <vila> jimis: emacs diff-mode is the perfect match for the 'cherry-pick changes from a diff and VCS-independent'
[20:53] <vila> jimis: you can split hunks, kill one, apply/revert one, you name it, with or without saving intermediate states into files
[20:59] <jelmer> hey vila
[20:59] <jelmer> vila: shouldn't you be on holiday ? ;-)
[20:59] <vila> jelmer: ;) Don't tell my girlfriend she thinks I'm ....
[21:00] <jelmer> :)
[21:00] <vila> jelmer: I am, I just had a look on the NoFinalPath failures as a last juicy fruit ;)
[21:00] <vila> And on that: bye all !
[21:00] <jelmer> vila: Have a nice vacation!
[21:20] <luks> jelmer: ping
[21:23] <jelmer> luks: hi
[21:23] <jelmer> sorry, didn't realize you were still in here too
[21:23] <luks> jelmer: I'll merge the patch and move the project to ~bzr
[21:24] <jelmer> luks: thanks
[21:24] <luks> so that you guys have full access to it
[21:39] <maxb> jelmer: Hi, could you push your latest bzr-fastimport upload to alioth?
[21:48] <jelmer> maxb: done
[21:48] <maxb> Thanks
[21:48]  * maxb is reviewing recent Debian ACCEPTED emails for ~bzr ppa updates
[21:50] <jelmer> aha
[22:42] <lifeless> jelmer: I have to run, but for the lp patch, look at recipe manifests that capture the same data AFAICT
[22:46] <jelmer> lifeless: thanks for the review
[22:46] <jelmer> lifeless: that would be the SourceRecipeData table I think
[22:46] <jelmer> (which can capture the branch and revision data)
[23:15] <mgz> jelmer: I'm still mystified as to how you get the failure in the selftest-xfail-msg mp


[08:29] <benonsoftware> Hi all.
[11:46] <head_victim> bradm: still some teething issues?
[11:48] <bradm> head_victim: it was good all day, is it slow now?
[11:48] <head_victim> I've had a couple of 500s
[11:48] <head_victim> Just going to pages
[11:49] <bradm> I'm guessing its just because of higher load during this time, which we need to sort out somehow
[11:49] <bradm> although I'm a few hours after the end of my day, which makes it tricky for me to diagnose
[11:49] <head_victim> Refreshes get me through. Cool, just trying to keep the feedback rolling from an end user perspective :)
[11:49] <bradm> definately, I'm always keen for feedback, otherwise I'll never know :)
[11:50] <head_victim> Well that's always been my philosophy, no point whinging if you aren't going to say anything when it counts.
[11:52] <head_victim> If there's any data in particular you need me to check when I get errors or if there's anything in particular you want me to look at just sing out
[11:53] <bradm> is it proxy errors you're getting?
[11:54] <head_victim> If I log in yes, but I've had 2 500s just navigating to a page
[11:54] <head_victim> But as soon as I refresh it works straight up
[13:13] <mrshr3d> bradm: are you referring to the Wiki page?
[14:37] <Evanescence> hi, I'm from china, I like Australia.
[14:44] <ikt> I'm from Australia, I like Australia as well. :)


[00:01] <hads> bitsbam: That would depend on the POP/IMAP server. I'm not sure if they would have a defined order though they may.
[00:02] <hads> At a guess you'd probably either need to read the source of the particular server of test it and see to find out.
[00:02] <bitsbam> we are running a pop server. now if i make a request to fetch all unread emails, they come in order that they hit the server?
[00:02] <bitsbam> yeah
[00:02] <bitsbam> is cool
[00:02] <bitsbam> thans
[00:02] <hads> You'd think it would be FIFO but I guess that depends on the POP server.
[00:08] <bitsbam> yeah, i am reading the site docs for our pop server now.
[00:08] <bitsbam> will let you know
[00:48] <mathiaz> sommer: I've written some instructions about updating the Ubuntu Server Guide : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#serverguide
[00:48] <mathiaz> sommer: let me know what you think about it
[00:48] <kirkland> mathiaz: hey, i did a few more init script patches
[00:48] <kirkland> mathiaz: the list is up to date on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InitScriptStatusActions
[00:49] <kirkland> mathiaz: any of those you'd like to review/sponsor?  :-)
[00:49] <mathiaz> kirkland: noticed a couple of bugs you've filed coming in :)
[00:49] <kirkland> mathiaz: yessir
[00:49] <mathiaz> kirkland: will take a look at it - but we have to wait until alpha3 is out as we're in a soft freeze for the archive for now
[00:50] <kirkland> mathiaz: i understand that
[00:50] <kirkland> mathiaz: i decided to go ahead and do the services that i personally run and want status on :-)
[00:51] <kirkland> mathiaz: and the ones in universe are not frozen, right?
[00:52] <mathiaz> kirkland: nope - universe is open for business
[00:52] <mathiaz> kirkland: the soft freeze only applies to packages that are included on cds
[00:52] <kirkland> mathiaz: right
[00:52] <kirkland> mathiaz: can MOTU upload to multiverse?
[00:52] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes
[00:52] <kirkland> mathiaz: ie, who do I subscribe to a patch against a multiverse package?
[00:52] <kirkland> ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[00:52] <mathiaz> kirkland: multiverse is the same thing as restricted for main
[00:53] <mathiaz> kirkland: correct - ubuntu-universe-sponsors is the correct team to subscribe
[00:53] <kirkland> mathiaz: perfect
[01:57] <sommer> mathiaz: awesome, the page looks good to me
[01:57] <sommer> mathiaz: I really need to learn some more bzr... I didn't know you can use it to send emails, that's really cool
[02:05] <mathiaz> sommer: yes - and the good part is that you don't an LP account to do so
[02:05] <mathiaz> sommer: you can even the email adress to send merge request to in the public branch
[02:06] <mathiaz> sommer: so the last step can be reduced to : bzr send
[02:06] <sommer> cool, the doc team really isn't using bzr to it's fullest potential :-)
[02:06] <sommer> but then again there aren't that many commits
[02:07] <sommer> it would be better if there were though, heh
[03:31] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ping
[04:13] <unewbie> has anyone copy DVD repo to HDD?
[08:05] <kraut> moin
[08:23] <unewbie> has anyone copy DVD repo to HDD?
[08:34] <afief> How can I configure NetworkManager to work on a static IP?
[13:14] <sommer> morning all
[13:48] <frippz> is there anyone else who suddenly has gotten into permission problems with apache after the latest update?
[13:48] <frippz> all my websites that uses password protection suddenly spits out "Permission denied: Could not open password file"
[13:51] <sommer> frippz: I haven't noticed any issues... are the permissions on the password files correct?
[13:52] <frippz> sommer: they haven't changed. everything worked just fine this morning. the after the latest Ubuntu Security Notice, I ran a safe-upgrade with aptitude
[13:53] <sommer> frippz: have you restarted apache?  also is "Permission denied: Could not open password file" that from the apache log or a prompt?
[13:54] <sommer> frippz: apache should be restarted with the update but...
[13:54] <frippz> sommer: yes, I have restarted apache and the error message is from one of the website logs
[13:54] <frippz> actually, any website that uses password protection would be spitting this out in the log
[13:55] <frippz> it would take a tremendous amount of time to track down what has changed, so I was hoping that someone here would be familiar with the situation
[13:56] <sommer> frippz: someone else may know, but I haven't heard of a similar issue
[13:56] <sommer> frippz: what are the permissions of the password files?
[13:57] <frippz> sommer: they are owned by a regular user and have permissions 644
[13:57] <frippz> the folders containing them has permission 755
[13:58] <sommer> frippz: I'd try changing the ownership to www-data user, at least for a test
[13:59] <frippz> sommer: wow, I really hope I don't have to move all those files to another place where www-data can access them. we're talking about over 50 websites :/
[13:59] <frippz> but I will give this a try
[13:59] <frippz> oh, I see the problem now
[14:00] <frippz> for some reason the regular users home folder has gotten a permission setting of 700
[14:00] <sommer> frippz: heh, that'd probably cause an issue :)
[14:01] <frippz> yes, since both the password files and the document roots reside in there, that was the whole cause :D
[14:01] <sommer> party!
[14:02] <frippz> I really need my vacation now...
[14:03] <lukehasnoname> sudo chmod -R 777 /
[14:04] <frippz> lukehasnoname: a windows user would solve the issue that way :P
[14:05] <lukehasnoname> true.
[14:12] <lukehasnoname> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/07/24/america/Road-Rage-Killing.php
[14:12] <lukehasnoname> I know it's off topic, just think about it.
[16:02] <gouki> Does anyone know of a solution like MS Terminal Server, but for Ubuntu?
[16:03] <lukehasnoname> LTSP
[16:04] <lukehasnoname> ?
[16:04] <lukehasnoname> Looks like Terminal server is MS's version of thin clients
[16:06] <gouki> lukehasnoname, I have no idea. I never worked with Terminal Server. But a friend of mine just asked me if there is an alternative to MS TS for ~10 users (on a MS Windows) network.
[16:06] <lukehasnoname> I know nothing about MS TS either, I just googled it
[16:07]  * gouki does the same
[16:13] <soren> mdz: The bug from yesterday, by the way: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/251480
[16:33] <soren> mathiaz: Hi!
[16:34] <soren> mathiaz: I figured out why you couldn't use virtio in the installer. The virtio_pci and virtio_ring drivers have been moved to different udeb's and are not available by default in the installer. I'm trying to get it worked uot.
[16:34] <mathiaz> soren: great - I guess it won't be fixed for alpha3 then
[16:35] <soren> Unlikely.
[16:43] <leucos> anyone has done tests with the bind9 update to verify that VU#800113 is fixed ? (https://www.kb.cert.org/CERT_WEB\services\vul-notes.nsf/id/800113)
[16:44] <leucos> I did, and it seems that port randomization is not working
[16:44] <leucos> if anyone can confirm this (I've found a workaroud with iptables though)
[16:44] <soren> leucos: Tell me about this workaround. It sounds fascinating.
[16:45] <leucos> see http://cipherdyne.org/blog/2008/07/mitigating-dns-cache-poisoning-attacks-with-iptables.html
[16:50] <soren> I'm not convinced that'll work.
[16:51] <leucos> it seems to work
[16:51] <leucos> tcpdump output says so
[16:51] <leucos> while without it, the sourport for queries never changes
[16:51] <leucos> source port*
[16:52] <soren> I don't see how iptables can know when it's ok to change it and when it's not.
[16:52] <leucos> it does it for all traffic
[16:52] <soren> these are UDP connetions. They have no state.
[16:52] <soren> So how does iptables know that a given packet is part of a new DNS request?
[16:53] <leucos> conntrack
[16:53] <leucos> but as the guys says on his site
[16:53] <soren> conntrack inspects dns requests?
[16:54] <leucos> mmmm, dunno, but I don't think so
[16:54] <soren> Then it can't know.
[16:54] <leucos> src ip/port/dst port/dst ip + timing
[16:54] <soren> ..and then it can't randomize the source port without risking breaking connections.
[16:55] <soren> So what if the "timing" thing changes in between your sending your request and the server responding?
[16:55] <leucos> it times out conntrack entries
[16:55] <ScottK> Depending on timing in UDP replies seems pretty broken by design.
[16:56] <ScottK> Particularly in DNS where some legit servers can be REALLY slow.
[16:56] <leucos> yeah but timings are pretty long
[16:56] <ScottK> How long?
[16:56] <soren> leucos: I don't know how long UDP "connections" live in iptables' conntrack, but I doubt it's less than a few minutes.
[16:56] <leucos> this is why for some entrys with the same key you'll get the same source port for 30 seconds
[16:57] <leucos> but for the bind9 problem, anyone checked port randomization in the update ?
[16:57] <soren> This might be sufficient, though. I don't know the details of the vulnerability.
[16:57] <leucos> since the fix is released for the DNS flaw reported by Kaminsky, I'm surprised that PR doesn't work
[16:58] <leucos> soren: the timing things and mitigation solution requires some indepth analysis that I am not really able to produce as of now :p
[16:59] <kees> soren: the attack is generating queries that result in an NXDOMAIN reply, and then racing those replies with additional RRs for the same domain.  It only really takes a few thousand packets.
[16:59] <kees> since it's an NXDOMAIN, there's no upper limit to the attempts.  and as soon as one wins, the extra RRs are added to the local cache.
[17:00] <kees> (since the domain matches)
[17:00] <soren> kees: How is the source port of any significance?
[17:00] <kees> soren: by randomizing src port, the race becomes several orders of magnitude more difficult to win.
[17:00] <leucos> it's harder to spoof replies
[17:01] <soren> kees: Um... /me doesn't get it
[17:01] <kees> without src port randomization, you just send 1000 packets with guessed TXIDs for each request that you make.
[17:01] <soren> kees: I send out a request to my ISP's nameserver..
[17:01] <ScottK> kees: Do you have a recommendation on a Python native source of randomization that would be sufficient for that?
[17:02] <kees> ScottK: I don't -- I haven't looked closedly at how python handles it.
[17:02] <soren> kees: Er.. No, I can't even finish my sentence. :)
[17:02] <ScottK> kees: OK.
[17:02] <kees> soren: here's the attack:
[17:02] <kees> while not winnar:
[17:02] <leucos> guys, ty for listening, gtg
[17:02] <kees>   send request for a12345.cnn.com to a recurssive name server
[17:03] <kees>   send 1000 forged replies that contain NXDOMAIN as the answer plus additional RR for www.cnn.com at <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:03] <kees> next time through, request a123456, then 7, 8, 9, etc
[17:03] <kees> keep cycling until you win the txid guessing game.
[17:04] <kees> when you win the race, the name server will also add your additional RR to it's cache, overwritting prior information.
[17:04] <soren> So even though the responses come from me, the recursive nameserver accepts them as coming from its "upstream"?
[17:04]  * delcoyote hi
[17:04] <kees> well, that's just a matter of sending the right UDP packets with a matching TXID.
[17:05] <kees> it has no idea where the packet actually came from.
[17:05] <soren> Hmm.. Right, I suppose it is.
[17:05] <kees> and the only thing (prior to srcport randomization) protecting the communication is the txid.
[17:06] <soren> Right. This seems very simple. I'm surprised noone thought of it.
[17:06] <kees> if you wanted to be really slow, you just hold your txid at a single value and wait for the 16 bits to run out.  ;)
[17:06] <soren> ..until now.
[17:06]  * kees nods
[17:06] <kees> no one was thinking about the additional RR part, and no one was thinking about NXDOMAIN replies.
[17:09] <soren> Ok, so again... I don't think I get the significance of the source port.
[17:10] <soren> Are we changing from a static to a random souce port, or from a predictabe to a random source port?
[17:10] <soren> predictable, even.
[17:13] <soren> kees: ^ ?
[17:13] <soren> Tjah..
[17:13] <soren> Whoops
[17:17] <kees> soren: changing from static to random.
[17:17] <kees> without the correct srcport, the UDP packet will just be ignored.
[17:17] <soren> Sure, sure.
[17:18] <soren> I just thought the source port changed now, but according to what the kernel hands you (which is usually use previously_handed_out_portnr+1).
[17:18] <soren> and you just kept firing until you were lucky enough to hit it.
[17:19] <soren> If that was the case, I just wanted to hit someone over the head with my "Statistics and probability theory" book :)
[17:21] <kees> they were basically static in most implementations.
[17:21] <soren> Lovely.
[17:21] <soren> --
[17:22] <kees> as soon as it's random, we can hit them with your book.  :)
[17:22]  * soren calls it a day
[17:22] <soren> Bye all.
[17:22] <ScottK> My question still is how random is random enough?
[17:33] <heno> soren: could you look at bug 251473 ? It's making CD testing difficult
[20:16] <ScottK> lamont: Do you have an opinion on "How random is random enough" for the DNS cache poisoning attack?
[20:19] <lamont> ScottK: I know what the patch did for bind9
[20:19] <lamont> in terms of what algo they switched to
[20:19] <fujin> cripes it's hard to get an answer in #ubuntu. I've got an Edgy server which I need to upgrade, preferably to LTS. do-release-upgrade won't take me to feisty
[20:19] <lamont> rather, that's clear from the source - dunno off the top of my head
[20:19] <fujin> as the feisty source appears dead, too
[20:19] <lamont> fujin: sure it will.
[20:19] <lamont> you just have to beat it hard
[20:20] <fujin> oh?
[20:21] <ScottK> fujin: With the exception of when software RAID was involved, I've never had manually changing sources.list to the next release and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade cause any problems.
[20:21] <ScottK> It's totally unsupported however.
[20:21] <fujin> mm, was hoping to avoid that
[20:21] <fujin> ScottK: it's also worth nothign that the Edgy /and/ Feisty apt sources are dead now
[20:21] <ScottK> Feisty should still be fine.
[20:22] <lamont> 1) with old-releases.ubuntu.com in sources.list, wait until it asks you the question about "couldn't find any mirrors, do you want me to pretend yours are real?", then switch to another window and point sources.list at archive.u.c
[20:22] <fujin> getting a 404
[20:22] <fujin> because do-release-upgrade wants to munge my sources.list and puts in the default feisty ones, instead of old-releases feisty ones
[20:23]  * lamont sees feisty on archive.u.c
[20:23] <lamont> and I expect to keep seeing them until october
[20:23] <fujin> lamont: http://pastie.org/240537
[20:24] <lamont> right.  that's the point where you go change old-releases.u.c -> archive.u.c in sources.list in another window
[20:24] <fujin> ah.
[20:24] <kirkland> mathiaz: looks like we got an init script volunteer :-)  RoAkSoAx patched gdm
[20:24] <lamont> and before you run do-r-u, you make it be old-releases.u.c edgy
[20:25] <fujin> sorry, missed the "do that manually" step
[20:25] <fujin> thanks
[20:27] <fujin> that's pretty magical
[20:27] <fujin> god damn the previous sysadmin
[20:27] <fujin> installing point releases on boxes that should have lts
[20:28] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, yes indeed!! my first contribution for the Server Team :)
[20:29] <RoAkSoAx> s/for/to
[20:29] <fujin> lamont: thanks a bunch dude, got it upgradin'
[20:30] <mathiaz> well - gdm is not really used on server....
[20:30]  * mathiaz is picky
[20:30] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: thanks for the help ! :)
[20:31] <kirkland> mathiaz: true, but the patch looks good, and is useful, though not a server package
[20:32] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, yeah i know is not used in server... but at least i've found something where i can contribute with th server team
[20:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: right, fixing these init scripts is a Server Team initiative
[20:33] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: perhaps you can ask mathiaz to choose his favorite server init script from the wiki page, and you can work on that one next?
[20:33] <RoAkSoAx> sure
[20:34] <RoAkSoAx> since i just started my MOTU Mentoring process is good to have easy things to do :)
[20:36] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: any init script will do - server or not ;)
[20:45] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, i'm already working on openvpn :)
[20:47] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, got one question, openvpn seems to create multiple pid files for each VPN. Should the status action be added for each VPN or just to know if the service is running?
[20:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: good question
[20:48] <kirkland> i wonder if anyone here is an openvpn expert....
[20:48]  * kirkland pulls the source
[20:48] <mathiaz> IIRC there will be multiple openvpn daemons for each config
[20:49] <mathiaz> but the init script supports starting multiple daemons
[20:49] <mathiaz> since the init script is supposed to start multiple services, using status should report if all of the daemons are running
[20:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: right, i suggest looping over the set of pid's
[20:50] <RoAkSoAx> ok cool, will do :)
[20:50] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: elsewhere in that init script, there's a loop over all pids
[20:54] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, yeah, i was thinking to do something similar to this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/30066/ but i'll have to set a couple of configs and try it out
[20:56] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: consider something more like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/30067/
[20:56] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: 2 changes....
[20:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: awk instead of cut
[20:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and, more importantly, set status=$? if the return is not 0
[20:57] <kirkland> such that you continue over all pids
[20:57] <kirkland> and not exit immediately
[20:57] <nhandler> I am interested in helping to add a status functino to init scripts. Is there an updated list that shows what packages still need this function added? I know there is a wiki page as well as a LP bug. But I don't know which of these I should be looking at
[20:58] <kirkland> nhandler: the wiki page
[20:58] <kirkland> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InitScriptStatusActions
[20:58] <RoAkSoAx> nhandler, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InitScriptStatusActions
[20:58] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ok will do thanks :)
[21:11] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, one more question (i'm also working on dhcdbd) and i was wondering why it shows the open: Permission denied: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/30071/ (of course it doesn't when using sudo)
[21:12] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: I've seen this in several places
[21:12] <nhandler> When running the tests on the wiki page, after we run the 'sudo sh debian/FOO.init start' (replacing FOO.init with the actual file) script, shouldn't the status action return 1?
[21:12] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: elsewhere in the init script a file is being read that the current user doesn't have permission to read
[21:12] <kirkland> let me grab the source...
[21:14] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, becuase, i believe this also happens with openssh-server (im doing it on intrepid alpha2) downloaded openssh-server source and tried it.. and it shows that aswell
[21:14] <kirkland> yes
[21:15] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: ah, it has to do with permissions on the pidfile
[21:16] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, so i just don't pay attention to it
[21:16] <RoAkSoAx> ?
[21:16] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: you can use "sh -x" when testing
[21:16] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: that'll print every line to the screen as it executes, in a debug mode
[21:17] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yes, non-root users will just have to cope with the error message
[21:17] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ok cool, I was just intrigued by that :)
[21:18] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: it's a good question
[21:18] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and it would be nice if we could silence it
[21:19] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, yeah, but we will limit the status action only for root users... right?
[21:19] <kirkland> i disagree.... i think anyone should be able to check the status of a service
[21:19] <kirkland> they just might have to endure other messages related to their not being root :-)
[21:20] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: ultimately, status is just a really clean way of ps -ef | grep FOO
[21:22] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, yes indeed, but may be kinda annoying having that message all the time... I wouldn't be surprised if someone files a bug related to that
[21:22] <RoAkSoAx> :)
[21:22] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: actually, i'm seeing the bug right now....
[21:22] <kirkland> it's in /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh
[21:23] <nhandler> Could someone review this patch for brltty? I want to make sure I am actually patching this before I upload it to LP. Here is my debdiff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/30075/
[21:23] <kirkland> nhandler: why the Standards-Version: 3.8.0 bump?
[21:25] <nhandler> kirkland, Because 3.7.3 is outdated. Since we are already making a change to the package, I've been told we should bump the standards-version
[21:25] <kirkland> nhandler: interesting, okay, that's news to me
[21:25] <mathiaz> nhandler: did you check that the package complies to the 3.8.0 policy ?
[21:26] <ScottK> nhandler and kirkland: Only bump the standards version if you comply with the newer version of the policy.
[21:26] <nhandler> ScottK: By any chance do you have a list of changes between 3.7.3 and 3.8.0?
[21:26] <mathiaz> nhandler: ie that all changes that have been added in 3.8.0 version of the policy have been implemented in the package ?
[21:26] <mathiaz> nhandler: it's in the changelog usually
[21:27] <ScottK> The biggest one is the requirement for README.source in most cases if you've patched the upstream code.
[21:27] <kirkland> nhandler: fwiw, your patch looks good, minus the standards version bit.  i'll let ScottK and mathiaz advise you on that one...
[21:27] <nhandler> kirkland: Could you maybe explain what the tests on the wiki page are meant to output?
[21:28] <nhandler> ScottK: By that, do you mean that the source package must provide a readme?
[21:28] <kirkland> nhandler: one sec, i'll add them to the wiki page
[21:28] <nhandler> Thanks kirkland
[21:29] <ScottK> In most cases if there's a patch system in use, but read Debian Policy for details.
[21:29] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, could you please take a look at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcdbd/+bug/251624 ? thanks! :)
[21:30] <mathiaz> nhandler: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00001.html - for an overview of the changes in 3.8.0
[21:32] <mathiaz> nhandler: there is also a upgrading-checklist.txt.gz file in the debian-policy package
[21:36] <nhandler> Thanks a lot mathiaz. After reading through the changes, it looks to me like this package complies with the 3.8.0 policy.
[21:37] <kirkland> nhandler: done.  refresh that wiki page
[21:39] <nhandler> Well, I guess I did something wrong. I get no output when I run the start/stop commands. When I run 'sh debian/FOO.init status; echo $?', I get '0' as output
[21:40] <RoAkSoAx> nhandler, change FOO.init with the app init script name
[21:40] <nhandler> I did RoAkSoAx
[21:46] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: btw, I have a fix for the open: error
[21:46] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: it's in lsb
[21:46] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: I'll file a bug and try to get it accepted
[21:47] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ok cool :) so no more annoying open: error :D
[21:47] <kirkland> nah, we'll get it fixed ;-)
[21:51] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, i just suscribed dhcdbd to you and ubuntu-main-sponsors and updated the wikipage aswell. I'll work on openvpn later on.. now i gtg.. Thanks for your help :)
[21:51] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool, thanks!
[21:52] <RoAkSoAx> np, I'm glad i finally had the change to contribute with the Server Team :)
[21:52] <RoAkSoAx> later
[21:52] <nhandler> So, any ideas why the tests are failing for me?
[22:01] <n-iCe> hello, I am installing ubuntu server, is there anyway to protect a ssh login? I mean to add the userlogin in a group and give him just access in one directory?
[22:01] <n-iCe> I don't want them to surf in the whole system
[22:08] <n-iCe> nobody?
[22:11] <ScottK> n-iCe: The short anwser to your question is yes.  The long answer of how, I don't have time to answer (and I'd have to research it in any case).
[22:11] <Kirill> I need to connect two locked down offices with Ubuntu servers through a Wide Area Network and allow file sharing -> Any ideas?
[22:12] <gouki> Kirill, VPN
[22:12] <Kirill> gouki -> Can you be on multiple VPNs at once?
[22:13] <gouki> Kirill, yes
[22:13] <n-iCe> ScottK: or any tutorial, or name, something? :D
[22:14] <Kirill> gouki -> Thank you, I'll go read up on that :)
[22:14] <ScottK> n-iCe: No.  Sorry.  I just know something like that can be done.
[22:14] <n-iCe> ScottK:  ok
[22:14] <n-iCe> thanks
[22:15] <gouki> Kirill, check openvpn
[22:15] <nhandler> Should I just upload the debdiff (http://paste.ubuntu.com/30075/) even if I can't get the tests to produce output?
[22:16] <Kirill> gouki -> Hmm, Vista support included with that one. That's +1 to Ubuntu vs. Windows SBS in the proposal
[22:17] <gouki> Kirill, that's good. Never worked with SBS though, even though I heard good things about it.
[22:17] <Kirill> gouki -> Can't live without Exchange and I can't get a good argument to try and use Linux alternatives for clients
[22:19] <gouki> Kirill, haven't used Exchange in 3 or 4 years. As for the clients, try 'money'. Licenses + DRM seems like a good argument.
[22:20] <Kirill> gouki -> That's always part of it but most Exchange alternatives aren't free and fall short in terms of functionality. Things like BlackBerry support for Linux (lack thereof) is also a deciding factor.
[22:20] <Kirill> BlackBerry Server*
[22:21] <gouki> Kirill, I understand
[22:22] <gouki> I never had specific needs that free software or open source couldn't fix.
[22:25] <Kirill> gouki -> I hope to be at that point one day (where I have a good list of polished open-source alternatives)
[23:09] <tacone> hello, I have some question about best practices in ssh automating.
[23:11] <tacone> I am writing a program to automatically connect to an ssh server. would be acceptable, under the security profile, to generate a certificate to avoid password request when making the ssh connection ?
[23:12] <soren> ScottK: From what I understand about the vulnerability, almost *any* amount of randomness is fine. As long as it's not static, I think you'll be fine.
[23:16] <ScottK> soren: Thanks.
[23:26] <Kirill> is it a good idea to have a firewall between a Ubuntu server and the open Internet?
[23:26] <Kirill> or can I just use the firewall in Ubuntu?
[23:29] <hads> Kirill: Yes it's a good idea to have a firewall but what's built in (IPTables) will do fine.
[23:29] <n-iCe> can anyone help me wih chroot?


[00:45] <H_M-Ubuntu> Anyone on?
[00:45] <H_M-Ubuntu> I need help still, heh
[00:45] <H_M-Ubuntu> I tried and tried, still can't get this to work.
[01:33] <BHSPitMonkey> H_M-Ubuntu, help?
[01:33] <BHSPitMonkey> this channel pertains to artwork... are you having trouble posting to the wiki or something?
[01:34] <H_M-Ubuntu> No I was making a GDM theme.. heh
[01:34] <H_M-Ubuntu> I figured it out though, that is how to add shutdown/restart/suspend buttons to a GDM theme.
[16:38] <thorwil> kwwii: hi! how's things? robsta is about to pick up work on the css engine again
[16:40] <kwwii> thorwil: killer, good to hear he has time
[16:40] <kwwii> thorwil: been quite busy lately finishing up jaunty
[16:40] <kwwii> hopefuly I can start answering emails tonight
[16:41] <thorwil> kwwii: i bet you have a lot of stuff from that crazy german guy in your inbox. has been spamming he art list lately :)
[16:49] <kwwii> thorwil: lol, I saw your name quite often :)


 :D
[20:26] <paultag> yano: also, perhaps you want flake8 :)
[20:26] <yano> unicde?
[20:26] <yano> heh
[20:26] <paultag> yeah, that's not a great way of doing it
[20:26] <paultag> you can use chardet
[20:26] <yano> yea... :-\
[20:26] <yano> it can still break
[20:26] <paultag> yes, but it's what Firefox uses
[20:26] <paultag> chardet is good
[20:26] <Unit193> .fw for angryJenni.
[20:27] <yano> :3
[20:27] <yano> .fw 43210
[20:27] <jenni> yano: 77°F?!  :D
[20:28] <yano> cold as ice
[20:28] <yano> willing to sacrifice
[20:28] <yano> :3
[20:28] <paultag> FOR-EIGN-ER
[20:29] <yano> :D
[20:29] <Unit193> :D
[20:29] <Unit193> Chanserv go gone! :D
[20:31] <Unit193> :D
[20:31] <yano> D:
[20:31] <yano> go go gadget ChanServ
[20:31] <Unit193> :(
[20:32] <Unit193> What'd someone do? Go go gadget Efnetmode?
[20:45] <skellat> So, ChanServ is having fun?
[20:49] <yano> yea
[22:44] <Unit193> http://xkcd.com/391/
[22:44] <jenni> [ xkcd: Anti-Mindvirus ] - http://j.mp/v8t8Zr
[22:44] <skellat> http://tx0.org/608
[22:44] <skellat> Hmm.
[22:45] <paultag> Unit193: oh ffs
[22:45] <paultag> canthus13: the game
[22:48] <skellat> http://randall.executiv.es/spies-amongst-US
[22:48] <jenni> [ Spies Amongst US | Amplify the Signal ] - http://j.mp/14oCgYR
[22:51] <skellat> gopher://sdf.org/1/users/skellat/Metapackage
[22:51] <skellat> Hmm.  jenni doesn't handle Gopher.
[22:52] <Unit193> xfce4-terminal doesn't think it's a link. :D
[22:53] <skellat> Well, **THAT** is most definitely a bug
[22:53] <Unit193> Eh, not so much, who really uses it? ;)
[22:54] <Unit193> /m ubottu !scope
[22:56]  * canthus13 stabs paultag
[22:56]  * canthus13 stabs ident.
[22:56] <canthus13> I don't even know why it started working in the first place. :/
[22:58] <skellat> canthus13: That's never a good sign when working with computers
[22:58] <skellat> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/08/dni-declassifies-prism-data-collection-nsa-secret-program-obama/2403999/
[22:58] <jenni> [ Parts of NSA's PRISM program declassified ] - http://j.mp/14oDbsk
[22:59] <paultag> canthus13: :>
[23:02] <Unit193> ...Your ident responded to me...
[23:11] <canthus13> Unit193:  but it's not responding to freenode.
[23:12] <canthus13> ..But one of the other people on my server is ident'd fine.
[23:12] <canthus13> bah.
[23:12] <canthus13> whatever.  Freenode upped my connection limit so I don't care.
[23:12] <Unit193> How many did you need??
[23:12] <canthus13> about 25.
[23:13] <Unit193> Wow...
[23:13] <canthus13> I've got 5-7 that use it right now... but I plan on having others.
[23:59] <Unit193> Hrm, sometime I should figure out how to lock down a box so I can do something like that.


[02:45] <hyperair> could a friendly ~ubuntu-sru person please release banshee from the vivid queue? banshee's completely unusable in vivid and people are bugging me left right and center for the fix.
[02:57] <infinity> hyperair: Looking.
[02:57] <hyperair> thanks
[02:59] <infinity> hyperair: LGTM.
[02:59] <hyperair> lgtm?
[02:59] <infinity> Looks good to me.
[02:59] <hyperair> oh
[02:59] <hyperair> yay
[03:08] <hyperair> infinity: thanks
[13:00] <Mirv> could an archive admin pre-bin-NEW-ack qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-addressbook0.1 from https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-016/+sourcepub/5111080/+listing-archive-extra ?
[13:01] <Mirv> I'd like bug #1342031 to be fixed for that package instead of adding another package with the old naming, but I don't force people to
[19:23] <robru> I need an archive admin to ack a new binary package, https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-016-2-publish/84/artifact/address-book-app_packaging_changes.diff/*view*/ please & thanks
[19:25] <infinity> robru: I'm not sure I get the *point* of the split, if component A depends on B anyway, unless A is huge.  But the diff seems sane for the stated intent.
[19:26] <robru> infinity: I'm not sure either, somebody else was spearheading this. thanks!
[20:28] <cjwatson> infinity: Perhaps something else is now just going to depend on B.


[17:01] <valorie> o/
[17:01] <ovidiu-florin> o/
[17:01] <valorie> hmmm, where is the CC?
[17:01] <yofel> dholbach: hangour or IRC?
[17:01] <valorie> oh god, not hangout
[17:01] <dholbach> hangout - I sent an invite
[17:02] <valorie> gads
[17:02] <yofel> hm, I need to relocate then, brb
[17:02] <ovidiu-florin> dholbach: where?
[17:02] <dholbach> to your gmail address - if you give me the mail you'd like to use, I'm happy to send another invite
[17:03] <ovidiu-florin> dholbach: sent
[17:03] <dholbach> thanks ovidiu-florin
[17:03] <dholbach> anyone else?
[17:04] <valorie> me, and I don't see an invite?
[17:05] <yofel> dholbach: can you give me another invite please? I'm clicking join and nothing happens


[01:58] <jamesp> mastodon.technology is shutting down, lubuntu will need to move to another instance
[05:56] <guiverc> thanks jamesp, we're aware of that but can't do much about it currently I believe
[15:00] <jamesp> guiverc[m]: you guys can still move to another instance, like how kubuntu moved to fosstodon.org
[16:37] <arraybolt3> jamesp: We are aware, the problem isn't that. I'm not at liberty to disclose any details, but it's a bit of a mess. Thanks for the idea though.
[17:56] <s300> what's Windows 10 alarm like on lubuntu?
[17:58] <arraybolt3> s300: Could you rephrase? I'm not sure what that means.
[17:59] <s300> im used to use Windows 10 alarm ... what's the alternative for it on lubuntu
[17:59] <s300> ?
[18:00] <arraybolt3> Oh. I get it.
[18:00]  * arraybolt3 looks up applications
[18:01] <s300> here only stopwatch installed...
[18:02] <arraybolt3> Well I see KAlarm, which might work, but it has quite a few dependencies which make it quite large.
[18:02] <arraybolt3> Lemme install it and see if it is the right thing.
[18:02] <s300> i see, i have only 2 G ram
[18:03] <arraybolt3> I don't know if it's going to be RAM heavy, but it was around 116 MB disk space on my machine.
[18:03] <arraybolt3> Oy, my Internet speed is crawling, so bear with me a few minutes.
[18:06] <arraybolt3> s300: OK, got it installed. It looks like it's probably going to do the trick - you can use it to play an audio file at a specific time every day, which would act as an alarm clock.
[18:06] <arraybolt3> It also has a ton of other features for stuff like automated email sending (I believe).
[18:09] <kgiii> I use Thunderbird's calendar and tasks as my alarm. Though, reading that you have just 2 GB of RAM makes me think it's a bit of overkill.
[18:10] <s300> is there microsoft store like apps on lubuntu? i want to search all apps like clock/stop watch
[18:13] <arraybolt3> s300: Discover.
[18:13] <arraybolt3> Should be already installed. just launch Discover and you can browse through and find stuff.
[18:14] <s300> yes, loading the discover
[18:14] <arraybolt3> Exercise a bit of caution though, apt packages are virtually guaranteed to be safe, but Snaps *might* not be. If an app is a Snap, look for a checkmark indicating that it is safe.
[18:14] <arraybolt3> s300: ^
[18:15] <arraybolt3> You can tell if an app is a Snap or not by scrolling down to the bottom of the apps info page, I believe.
[18:15] <arraybolt3> Oh wait actually it will just tell you right on the application tile so nevermind.
[18:16] <arraybolt3> Anyway if you click on a Snap, it will show you the publisher name underneath the app rating - if there's a checkmark next to it you should be good.
[18:17] <arraybolt3> Other Snaps aren't necessarily unsafe, but they aren't from known-trustworthy developers, so then you have to know and trust the developer.
[18:18] <arraybolt3> Anything that doesn't specifically mark itself as a Snap is (I believe) an apt package, and those you can just install. Ubuntu (and Debian, Ubuntu's upstream) vet packages that are intended to go into the apt archives.
[18:26] <s300> looking for this kind of clock apps but seems it is not responding when i try to install https://imgur.com/a/62BFYS0
[18:26] <s300> thanks for the info arraybolt3
[18:26] <arraybolt3> s300: Just wait, it might take a bit.
[18:29] <s300> i see, i also notice that that firefox now is as a snap apps
[18:29] <arraybolt3> True.
[18:32] <s300> on windows, i used to press windows button and the arrow button, to make the window apps side by side in one screen; a half on the left screen and another on the right
[18:33] <s300> what's the term of that on lubuntu?
[18:44] <arraybolt3> s300: That's called tiling I believe, but sadly Lubuntu doesn't have that (yet).


[03:18] <BlindWolf8> Hi all. Anyone here?
[04:02] <BlindWolf8> Hi all. Anyone here?
[04:04] <thumper> some
[04:04] <thumper> but it is saturday
[04:04] <thumper> so not really
[05:13] <BlindWolf8> hey thumper
[05:13] <BlindWolf8> still here?
[09:24] <maxb> jelmer: Hi. The latest bzr-git hung during its testsuite on the maverick and lucid PPA build. Before I look into that, I don't suppose it's something you know anything about already
[09:24] <maxb> ?
[12:16] <StyXman> is tehre any graphic history browser? qbzr and bzr-gtk don't have it (anymore?)
[12:17] <luks> what do you mean by a graphical history browser?
[12:20] <StyXman> luks: something like http://i1-linux.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/gitg_2.jpg
[12:21] <luks> both qbzr and bzr-gtk have that
[12:21] <luks> bzr qlog / bzr viz
[12:21] <StyXman> ah, log
[12:21] <StyXman> didn't thought of that
[12:22] <StyXman> yes
[12:22] <StyXman> thanks
[13:05]  * maxb hates conflicting tags
[14:45] <jelmer> maxb: hi
[14:45] <jelmer> maxb: I've seen it on one machine, but not on another
[14:45] <jelmer> maxb: I'm not sure what's going on exactly, so if you feel like investigating it, that'd be great
[14:49] <maxb> jelmer: Ah, hi
[14:49] <maxb> btw, can you be sure to pull the bzr packaging branches from alioth? I've pushed some minor housekeeping, that I really don't want to end up --overwritten :-)
[16:25] <jayoung> Hi, I'm having some trouble with bzr. Can anyone help me?
[17:16] <LeoNerd> bzr diff allows --diff-options, so I can e.g. reduce the diff chunk context size, to split bigger chunks into more, smaller ones. This is useful. Can  bzr shelve  have the same option please? I want to shelve one of two unrelated line edits, but the diff tool "shelve" uses thinks they're one change
[22:34] <maxb> Well, that's convenient :-)
[22:34] <maxb> bzr-gtk has been NMUed in Debian, fixing the bzr-beta PPA oneiric FTBFS


[11:54] <xu-irc5w> HI IT SAID LINUX WOULD UPDATE AUTOMATICALLY
[12:05] <gnrp> xu-irc5w: ?
[12:05] <xu-irc5w> In a meme
[12:06] <xu-irc5w> Windows always required new updates Apple costed n Linux would update automaticlly
[12:09] <gnrp> ah, ok
[12:20] <xu-irc5w> Still interested in that screen shot ;D
[12:46] <xu-irc5w> Can somebody tell me hoe to get to the Linux Offtopic room?    I think that is a default setting.
[17:58] <rrr> I prefer htop myself.
[18:01] <sebastien> ps aux | less
[19:40] <rrr> ps awxo pid,command | grep


[12:16] <mup> PR snapd#13216 opened: tests: fix snapd-failover test <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13216>
[14:08] <mup> PR snapcraft#4375 closed: chore(deps): add pygit to doc requirements <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4375>
[15:02] <mup> PR snapd#13208 closed: overlord/snapstate: simplify install taskset construction <Simple 😃> <Created by ernestl> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13208>
[16:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#4367 closed: docs: update sphinx theme <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4367>
[16:48] <mup> PR snapd#13217 opened: many: replace deprecated ioutil.WriteFile with os.WriteFile <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13217>
[20:04] <mup> PR snapd#13025 closed: boot: set EFI boot variables on install <Created by olivercalder> <Closed by olivercalder> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13025>
[20:28] <mup> PR snapcraft#4374 closed: build(deps): bump cryptography from 41.0.3 to 41.0.4 <Dependencies> <Python> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4374>
[22:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#4376 opened: fix(snap): add missing build-packages for git <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4376>


 hello, I just downloaded `kubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso` and the checksum on the website seems to be invalid.
 It looks like there is an extra `a` character on the end.
[00:43] <tomreyn> i.e., on https://kubuntu.org/alternative-downloads/ , it says this:
[00:43] <tomreyn> kubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso: 56ed1824de37c645f65a8c92545d45126a83cd93a79979b27cba553c849100d5a
[00:43] <tomreyn> but https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/22.04/release/SHA256SUMS is the correct checksum (without the trailing 'a')
 that should be fixed that.
 that should be fixed now.
 thanks! (re @ahoneybun: that should be fixed now.)
 \o/
[12:20] <tomreyn> Ubuntu 22.04 release notes https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668 refer, in the "Official flavours" section, to Kubuntu release notes using this link:
[12:20] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JammyJellyfish/Beta/Kubuntu
[12:20] <tomreyn> Should this be updated to this link?
[12:20] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JammyJellyfish/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Working on fixing it now
 Oh I can't change that.
 I can. Fixed
 \o/
 Kubuntu Manual 22.04 LTS is out! https://kubuntu.org/support/
 Time to start on 22.10! https://github.com/kubuntu-team/kubuntu-manual/tree/kubuntu-22.10
[21:14] <tomreyn> And you might want to set some additional HTTP headers (if that's something you can do - sorry if i asked before): https://securityheaders.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fkubuntu.org%2F&hide=on&followRedirects=on
[21:14] <tomreyn> Content-Security-Policy can require some testing, the others should be painless.
[21:18] <tomreyn> On https://kubuntu.org/alternative-downloads/ under "Mirrors", the "Main Download site (England)" link points to (plain, unencrypted) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/ but your other links to cdimage.ubuntu.com on this page use httpS://
[21:19] <tomreyn> (the "Past Releases" link also uses plain http://)
[21:20] <RikMills> tomreyn: doubt it. it is wordpress where we do not have fuller server admin rights. canonical does
[21:20] <RikMills> s/fuller/full
[21:21] <RikMills> still I will have a look over the weekend
[21:28] <tomreyn> RikMills: Alright. I assume you could update those links, though, if it's worth it.


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