[00:00] <Melik> haha wow this is so confusing
[00:01] <Melik> i installed nvidia-glx-180, and nvidia-glx-96 shows up in hardware drivers
[00:01] <Melik> :/
[00:03] <enyc> damn proprietary driver mess
[00:03] <Melik> yeah tell me about it
[00:05] <Melik> http://i39.tinypic.com/2hf6ib7.png
[00:05] <Melik> enyc,  theres the screenhost lol
[00:06] <Melik> and when i try to click activate it just re-downloads the 96 drivers
[00:06] <Melik> and then removes my xorg
[00:07] <enyc> ;-)
[00:08] <Melik> enyc,  do u know where "hardware drivers" gets all its data from?
[00:08] <enyc> Melik: no ;-)
[00:08] <Melik> damn, if there was some sort of config file
[00:09] <enyc> ;-) im sorry i understand your frustration but i dont know
[00:09] <Melik> heh, its all right
[00:09] <Melik> hopefully i'll run into someone in this channel who might be of help
[00:09]  * enyc has display-corruptien in 8.10 64bit on this nvidia
[00:09] <enyc> 'it was not available with acceleration at lal originally but eventually the bugs with 64bit compile were sorted and now it sort of works ;-)
[00:10] <Melik> heh
[00:10] <Melik> im pretty sure if somehow i can activate the nvidia-glx-180 driver through hardware drivers
[00:10] <Melik> im more than positive it will work
[00:11] <enyc> nit seems i have to use nvidia-96 for this NV18/mx4000
[00:11] <enyc> have you got it working under 8.04 (hardy)?
[00:11] <enyc> 'intrepid includes never xorg and other changces............
[00:11] <Melik> everything in my system was working fine in intrepid
[00:11] <Melik> except my webcam
[00:12] <ethana2> Melik: we actually have a club..
[00:12] <ethana2> -11 kernel will make it work, don't worry
[00:12] <Melik> what ethana2?
[00:12] <ethana2> Melik: uvcvideo..
[00:13] <ethana2> ...which is 2/3 of the webcams I've seen
[00:14] <tretle> well its officially the 16th in ireland and the uk and alpha 3 aint out yet
[00:15] <Melik> tretle, im pretty sure there almost done
[00:15] <ethana2> Melik: oh?  I usually add a day or two for alpha release
[00:15] <ethana2> just so I can get some sleep
[00:15] <tretle> are they getting the images ready or is it that there are bugs holding it back?
[00:18] <Melik> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/jaunty-alpha-3
[00:19] <Melik> couple more things left
[00:21] <tretle> will it be released when the fixed commited bugs are accepted or are we waiting for the triaged ones too?
[00:35] <apoka> anyone experiencing gnome/X freezing on them when using firefox?
[00:35] <apoka> it might be more than just FF, i havent opened anything else yet..
[00:36] <apoka> or it could just be the nvidia drivers, but either way it's pooched
[01:00] <sidney> I wonder will they take some tips from super ubuntu
[01:02] <tretle> super ubuntu looks like it kind of sucks
[01:02] <doug___> hey guys i am using ext3 how do i get the features of ext4 without formatng, and do i really need to use ext4 for anything besides speed
[01:03] <tretle> including wine, amsn, vlc and mplayer as default arent good things
[01:03] <doug___> why is providing wine a bad thing
[01:03] <tretle> either is including the propietary flash player
[01:03] <doug___> how coudl that every be bad
[01:03] <doug___> has no drawbacks,
[01:04] <tretle> because wine is the wrong way of approaching the problem
[01:04] <doug___> and what is the right way for someone to run there windows app on linux
[01:04] <doug___> because that is the problem the problem isnt that a linux alternative doesnt exist..
[01:04] <doug___> becasue that is not the users problem
[01:05] <tretle> alcohol never fixes your problems, lol
[01:05] <doug___> LOL
[01:05] <tretle> the right way is a native port, alternative etc
[01:06] <tretle> wine has done nothing but encourage laziness among devs of gaming project's and also google to some extent with picasa
[01:07] <ethana2> uh.
[01:07] <ethana2> I disagree.
[01:08] <tretle> before the problem with game devs was that they didnt think there was enough people using linux now some of the lack of interest is due to the fact that they would rather rely on people having to run wine instead of producing a native port.. Allot of the time using wine as an excuse.
[01:08] <ethana2> you can't rely on a dynamic wine
[01:09] <ethana2> compile it in or it WILL break.
[01:09] <ethana2> and Mattel isn't going to port their software to linux regardless of wine
[01:10] <tretle> I dont see the point in including wine in ubuntu, ubuntu is oss and should be endorsing oss software alternatives and not emulating windows closed source apps
[01:11] <doug___> ok i totally disagree
[01:11] <doug___> and here is why
[01:12] <doug___> ubuntu is linux for humans right
[01:12] <doug___> and humans sometimes wnat to use certain apps that they can only find in windows
[01:12] <doug___> whos job is it to code the alternatives users or dev
[01:12] <tretle> emphasis on the "linux" there
[01:12] <doug___> who is ubuntu for users or des
[01:12] <doug___> devs
[01:12] <ethana2> that's what I fix.
[01:12] <ethana2> ethbuntu: desktop computing for everyone
[01:13] <ethana2> because if a better kernel comes along, however doubtful that is
[01:13] <doug___> the  inclusion of wine is for the user base of ubuntu not for dev
[01:13] <tretle> its no ones job, yet everyones job. hence the beauty of oss
[01:13] <ethana2> screw linux; and if it doesn't (probable)
[01:13] <ethana2> the end user shouldn't even need to know what kernel they're on
[01:13] <doug___> no...its not...
[01:13] <doug___> im sorry
[01:13] <ethana2> drop the linux
[01:13] <doug___> my mother uses linux
[01:13] <ethana2> my mother uses an Ubuntu Dell
[01:13] <doug___> its not her job to go out learn c java, perl python...instead of installing her wine apps...
[01:14] <tretle> no one is asking her too
[01:14] <doug___> and instead devote her time to learning these lang and make an alternative
[01:14] <ethana2> remove wine if you don't like it
[01:14] <tretle> no
[01:14] <ethana2> and making alternatives only goes so fast
[01:14] <ethana2> you can do what you know
[01:14] <tretle> install it if you want to use it
[01:14] <doug___> im just saying...adding it to wine is for the good of the users
[01:14] <ethana2> the lumiera and gimp folks can't whip everything else into shape
[01:14] <ethana2> doug___: and I'm with you.
[01:14] <ethana2> I can finally tell people that windows apps will Just Work in Ubuntu
[01:15] <ethana2> that's crucial.
[01:15] <doug___> how could yo not be i mean wine is one of the ONLY ways you can convince smoe people to swtich
[01:15] <doug___> amen
[01:15] <ethana2> most people**
[01:15] <doug___> words rigth out of my mouth
[01:15] <ethana2> in fact I need to get IE working right now
[01:15] <doug___> that is SO huge for linux conversion
[01:15] <ethana2> so I don't have to use school computers to get to myFolder on blackboard
[01:15] <doug___> you tell them...hey use these apps instead but
[01:15] <doug___> if you cant fid one then just install your old ones
[01:16] <doug___> ok wait...i thought firefox could masquerade as ie
[01:16] <ethana2> it's not a useragent issue.
[01:16] <doug___> (sp? maybe)
[01:16] <ethana2> IE actually does something ff doesn't
[01:16] <ethana2> has to do with activedirectory stuff
[01:16] <ethana2> I think
[01:16] <tretle> I hqave converted alot of people to ubuntu over the years and when they first start using it there are some questions like how do i install winamp etc but when they figure it out they prefer the alternatives... And out of all of them including my parents non of them wanted to go back to windows
[01:16] <ethana2> my sister still wants MSN
[01:16] <ethana2> because emesene and aMSN aren't there yet.
[01:17] <RAOF_> ethana2: But that's a barefaced lie!  Windows apps will _not_ Just Work in Ubuntu, even if we had wine installed by default.
[01:17] <RAOF_> _Some_ windows apps would, but many still wouldn't.
[01:17] <ethana2> RAOF_: I thought there would be a warning and then it'd install wine automatically and run 'em
[01:17] <tretle> The only problems which I have found myself arent ubuntu's fault.... Stuff like closed standards implemented with microsoft office
[01:17] <ethana2> ah.
[01:17] <ethana2> RAOF_: I look forward to Gallium replacing wine3d so the wine folks can focus on the actual win* API
[01:18] <ethana2> tretle: yes, they exist.
[01:18] <RAOF_> ethana2: As I understand it, that's technically infeasable.
[01:18] <ethana2> RAOF_: whoa
[01:18] <RAOF_> ethana2: Because to implement a d3d state tracker, you need to implement win32.
[01:18] <tretle> ethana2, are you forcing her to use ubuntu or something... theres nothing wrong with someone prefering windows and if they want to use it let them.
[01:18] <ethana2> you can't have .dlls with functions written in gallium?
[01:18] <ethana2> tretle: I have to support it then.
[01:18] <ethana2> I can not support what I do not use.
[01:19] <ethana2> windows isn't worthy of being called an operating system
[01:19] <ethana2> the girl I'm dating uses OSX, and that's fine, it's actually worth something
[01:19]  * tretle close to getting ubuntu installed on a secondary partition on every pc in his college
[01:19] <ethana2> tretle: nice
[01:19] <tretle> I have the former head of it on my side
[01:20] <doug___> nic nice
[01:20] <doug___> you guys read abotu the entire country of korea switching to linux
[01:20] <ethana2> doug___: seriously?
[01:20] <tretle> the idea is to install it on the second partition and slowly migrate stuff
[01:21] <ethana2> I wish Ubuntu could run windows apps in place
[01:21] <tretle> doug___ I heard tha\t alright
[01:21] <ethana2> like a windows chroot
[01:21] <ethana2> and just use almost all the .dll files you paid for in the first place..
[01:22] <tretle> hmmmmmmm.... while we are at it we shold have ubuntu load super nintendo, nintendo 64 and playstations roms as default
[01:22] <doug___> yes its pretty sweet, now its only a corporate switch but still pretty cool
[01:22] <tretle> :P
[01:23] <doug___> ok come on that is kinda silly LOL
[01:23] <ethana2> doug___: if people expected that of us, then yes
[01:23] <ethana2> they do not
[01:23] <ethana2> oh, tretle, not doug___
[01:23] <doug___> i was like um
[01:23] <doug___> LOL
[01:24] <doug___> but yes you are right
[01:24] <doug___> and the HUMAN pop expects wine to be there...because they expect to be able to use all there software in linux
[01:24] <ethana2> wouldn't hurt to recognize the ROM mimetypes..
[01:24] <doug___> what is the first thing someone asks when you proposition linux
[01:24] <doug___> "can i still run itunes"
[01:24] <doug___> "can i still run (insert game here)
[01:25] <doug___> i think this is huge
[01:25] <ethana2> does amazon have an API open to, say, rhythmbox?
[01:25] <doug___> goal has always been software that "just works"
[01:25] <ethana2> like, could we make an iTunes competitor?
[01:25] <ethana2> it's not just window /software/
[01:26] <ethana2> those 'designed for windows' stickers are no joke, as any kernel hacker can tell ya
[01:26] <doug___> actually i have a friend who is trying to dev an mp3 aggregater  that will be as featureful
[01:26] <doug___> yes you are so correct
[01:26] <tretle_> ethana2 unfortunately they havent released an api people could use in apps like rhythmbox to access the mp3  store
[01:26] <ethana2> tretle: :(
[01:26] <doug___> i know this is way off topic..anyone ever use rosetta stone
[01:26] <ethana2> we need to request that of them
[01:27] <ethana2> doug___: nope
[01:27] <doug___> cries...i want to try it out but i want some feedback...
[01:27] <doug___> someone tha has used it
[01:28] <tretle_> nope
[01:31] <tretle_> ethana2 - banshee comes close to dethrone itunes
[01:32] <doug___> hey what is the best way to rip dvds..i use to use anydvd and clonedvd
[01:32] <doug___> i haveint found much help on the linux side fo things
[01:32] <ethana2> tretle: can you buy music through it?
[01:32] <ethana2> doug___: brasero
[01:32] <ethana2> doug___: new DVDs are obfuscated more though, so _everything_ will fail
[01:32] <ethana2> until it's all updated
[01:32] <doug___> really
[01:32] <ethana2> it comes with ubuntu
[01:33] <ethana2> under 'sound and video
[01:33] <doug___> so no real way to backup recent dvds
[01:33] <ethana2> nope.
[01:33] <doug___> i have it
[01:33] <ethana2> even dd fails
[01:33] <ethana2> I don't know what on earth they did to them, but it sucks
[01:33] <ethana2> no app I've tried even has a helpful error message
[01:33] <tretle_> not yet but they are waiting for the amazon api, I was discussing it with gabaug back when 1.0 was released and theres a few developers ready to jump at the api when released, i doubt rhythmbox will pick up support for the store as quick
[01:33] <ethana2> ah
[01:33] <ethana2> does amazon know this?
[01:35] <tretle_> well yeah, I have sent an email before explaining to them that if they release an api then rhythmbox/banshee devs could integrate it and their service would have more penetration
[01:35] <tretle_> seeing as rhythmbox is default for ubuntu and banshee is default for opensuse
[01:35] <doug___> that is one of the big thigns that held me back for awhile but then i just started downloading everything
[01:36] <ethana2> doug___: if it's not on jamendo.com, I don't hear it
[01:36] <doug___> but i would liek to be able to do easy conversions of avi etc to dvd
[01:36] <tretle_> I would expect them to relesae an api soon though especially after the announcement of drm free itunes, they need to do something to compete
[01:36] <ethana2> I make a rare exception
[01:36] <ethana2> tretle_: yeah, that was kind of their reason d'être
[01:36] <ethana2> I probably spelled that wrong..
[01:36] <tretle_> doug___ avi->dvd can be done in brasero
[01:37] <doug___> can it...
[01:37] <doug___> i never really tried ot much
[01:37] <tretle_> yup since intrepid or maybe hardy
[01:37] <doug___> nice...
[01:37] <tretle_> indeed
[01:37] <doug___> i only do it for others..i see no need for dvds
[01:38] <doug___> i rather have 12-24 eps on a dvd instead of 4
[01:38] <doug___> LOL
[01:38] <tretle_> you can create dvd's and svcd
[01:38] <tretle_> :)
[01:38] <doug___> can one run into problems iwth propsed updates and why is it still trying to update to kernal 27 when 28 is out
[01:42] <RAOF_> doug___: Yes, that's why they're in -proposed - to check whether they break, before rolling it out to -updates.  And because Intrepid was released with the 27 kernel.
[01:42] <doug___> so it wont update ?
[01:42] <ethana2> doug___: you can dist-upgrade if you trust it to not screw up config files
[01:43] <doug___> would it
[01:43] <ethana2> but wait until jaunty goes stable if this is intrepid you're talking
[01:43] <ethana2> doug___: would it what?
[01:43] <RAOF_> Not to the -28 kernel.  But it will have (some) bugs fixed against it.
[01:43] <doug___> woudl it screw shit uo
[01:43] <ethana2> !ohmy
[01:44] <doug___> ok
[01:44] <ethana2> if you're talking about dist-upgrade, I personally don't use it
[01:44] <ethana2> I do a clean install every time
[01:45] <ethana2> and I dual boot two versions of Ubuntu
[01:45] <ethana2> so if I need a working webcam or skype right now, I can boot into 8.04
[01:49] <tretle_> anyone got issues with firefox displaying some webpages incorrectly and not displaying some images?
[01:50] <tretle_> also for some odd reason epiphany-webkit uses xulrunner instead of webkit
[01:59] <temppy> !schedule
[02:03] <Melik> RAOF,
[02:20] <lucent> uh, the ISO hasn't hit the mirrors, has it?
[02:20] <lucent> I mean it's announced on the wiki but not available for download?
[02:20] <lucent> "Get it while it's hot. ISOs and torrents are available at: "
[02:20] <ethana2> lucent: it's announced on the wiki?
[02:20] <ethana2> right now?
[02:20] <ethana2> link?
[02:20] <lucent> maybe that should read "Get it while it's not."
[02:21] <ethana2> get it before your delorian runs out of banana peels!
[02:21] <Melik> lucent,  can u link us?
[02:21] <lucent> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[02:21] <Melik> thans
[02:21] <Melik> thanks*
[02:21] <lucent> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-3/  is 404 here
[02:22] <lucent> Melik: us
[02:22] <lfaraone> Hey, I need to test out S/R in the new jaunty release, what's the best way to test w/o messing yp my existing install.
[02:23] <Melik> install a new partition?
[02:23] <ethana2> lfaraone: flash drive probably
[02:23] <ethana2> oh, yeah, new partition
[02:23] <ethana2> well actually, that will mess with your exisiting install i think
[02:23] <Melik> or just install through wubi or something
[02:23] <ethana2> new kernel updates for it won't apply because it'll take over grub
[02:23] <Melik> if u are dual booting
[02:24] <lucent> what does "Triaged" mean in a bug task anyways
[02:24] <lucent> is that like "procrastinated"
[02:25] <lfaraone> lucent: it means it has enough info in it for a developer to take a look at it.
[02:25] <Melik> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/triage
[02:25] <lucent> ah okay
[02:25] <temppy> ethana2: you can use a configfile directive to fix that (in menu.lst)
[02:25] <lfaraone> Melik: I'm exlusively 'buntu.
[02:25] <ethana2> temppy: oh?
[02:26] <lucent> the word meaning is a bit strange to me. Thanks for the re-phrase
[02:26] <lfaraone> ethana2: I currently use LVM. How hard would it be to resize my existing LVM partitions?
[02:26] <ethana2> LVM?
[02:26] <ethana2> logical volume?
[02:26] <ethana2> I'm not sure
[02:27] <Melik> best bet is what ethana2  said, a flash drive
[02:27] <lucent> how difficult is it to resize the filesystem without LVM?
[02:27] <lucent> LVM itself just provides block devices
[02:28] <lfaraone> lucent: supposedly lvm makes it easier.
[02:28] <lucent> easier to resize block devices, yes
[02:29] <lucent> it doesn't magically know how to resize filesystems
[02:32] <shadowhywind> hay all i was wondering if anyone was getting kernel panics with jaunty?
[02:32] <Melik> nope
[02:32] <lucent> shadowhywind: depending on how loud I shout at it
[02:32] <lucent> not really
[02:32] <Melik> lol lucent
[02:33] <lucent> it's mostly obscenities anyways
[02:33] <lucent> I don't blame it for wanting to panic
[02:33] <lucent> shadowhywind: which hardware configuration?
[02:33] <shadowhywind> interesting, because earlier today, my laptop froze for the 5thish time, I restarted, and then constantly got kernel panics, finally had to restore a backup of intrepid
[02:33] <shadowhywind> lucent which hardware did you want to know?
[02:34] <lucent> x86 or 64-bit, laptop or desktop, are you running anything strange like a fancy graphics card
[02:35] <shadowhywind> amd64, HP laptop, no fancy graphics card since its a laptop
[02:35] <lucent> shadowhywind: there's ACPI issues that were exposed recently
[02:35] <lucent> would try booting with acpi=bios or acpi=off see what happens
[02:35] <lucent> also you could just be having overheating issues
[02:35] <shadowhywind> hehe thats probably what the cause is, since intrepid has been the first release that i haven't had to use acpi=off or noapic
[02:36]  * lucent blares obscenities directed at his dell laptop
[02:36]  * ethana2 blares obscenities directed at lucent's dell laptop
[02:36] <lucent> it refuses to go through with the order I'm placing for a russian bride
[02:37] <shadowhywind> I don't think its an overheating issue, since i never had an issue with overheating before + its on a cooling pad. I will try the acpi=off option tomorrow and see what happens
[02:37] <lucent> oh I've got an off-topic question
[02:37] <lucent> any of y'all experienced with making Windows XP OS install *from* a flash stick?
[02:38] <lucent> i.e. no CDROM
[02:38] <temppy> !swap
[02:48] <lucent> I'm confused, when will Alpha3 ISO's be built?
[02:49] <ethana2> lucent: when the showstoppers have fixes released
[02:50] <ethana2> lucent: I usually count on all alphas being 24 hours late
[02:50] <RAOF> Or, rather, when a set of daily isos go through testing without showstopper (install) bugs.
[02:50] <lucent> ah okay
[02:50] <RAOF> You can help make this happen by _testing_ the isos if you wish, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[02:51] <lucent> I don't have CD-R's, or I would help
[02:52] <lucent> haven't found a way to configure an alternate ISO onto a flash stick that works
[02:53] <ethana2> RAOF: does a VM install 'count'?
[02:56] <RAOF> ethana2: Yes, but mention the vm-ness.
[02:57] <RAOF> lucent: I've done it before; it requires messing around with a netinst image or somesuch.
[02:58] <lucent> yeah I guess unetbootin is not enough
[02:58] <lucent> RAOF: I want an installer that has support for at least LVM and ext4, and then the option to add grub2
[02:59] <lucent> grub2 has LVM and ext4 support, both which I need to boot my machine
[02:59] <RAOF> Actually, I think I used a Debian initramfs for the USB stick, but I forget.
[02:59] <RAOF> You're not trying boot-on-lvm are you?
[03:00] <lucent> I am using it now
[03:00] <lucent> yes
[03:00] <RAOF> That doesn't work with grub, does it?
[03:00] <lucent> boot-on-ext4-on-lvm works with grub2
[03:00] <RAOF> Right. How did you bootstrap that?
[03:01] <lucent> did an ordinary install, copied the filesystem offline, set things up from a liveusb boot, and then restored from offline
[03:01] <lucent> there's no support in the installer for this
[03:01] <lucent> but it works.
[03:01] <RAOF> Indeed.
[03:01] <RAOF> You just need to add a layer of encryption to make it perfect (and unbootable)
[03:01] <lucent> lol @ that
[03:02] <lucent> I had whole-disk crypto and decided not to do that
[03:02] <lucent> it's too slow on laptop system
[03:02] <RAOF> grub2 will apparently be growing crypt support in the nearish future.  That's kinda cool.
[03:03] <lucent> grub2 will not be adopted by major OS distro though
[03:03] <ethana2> why not?
[03:03] <lucent> it breaks too many things in the server market
[03:03] <toresbe> Hrm, is there *any* talk about the faulty nVidia drivers  on an ubuntu website?
[03:03] <ethana2> we have separate server and desktop versions....
[03:04] <toresbe> I mean, I know it's broken, but I'd love some more info than that. :)
[03:04] <lucent> we'll see what happens though with that new Redhat managed boot splash thing
[03:04] <RAOF> But that doesn't have anything at all to do with grub2!
[03:04] <lucent> if grub2 doesn't support pretty graphics, it won't get used
[03:05] <RAOF> It already does support pretty graphics, though.
[03:05] <RAOF> Your choice of VESA modes (on x86-like archs, at least).
[03:06] <lucent> yeah I'm not arguing for or against grub2
[03:06] <lucent> it works for my situation
[03:06]  * toresbe thinks the bootloader having graphics is a bit of a distraction. The bootloader shouldn't have graphics because the bootloader shouldn't be *visible* unless one is dualbooting
[03:06] <lucent> I've always wanted to cram Linux into a single msdos partition and now I've done it
[03:06] <toresbe> in which case... text is fine
[03:06] <ethana2> RAOF: VESA != pretty graphics
[03:06] <ethana2> 1440x900 isn't VESA
[03:06] <ethana2> everything is stretched and stuff
[03:06] <RAOF> It's not going to be adopted by anyone until it's got an actual release, though :)
[03:06] <toresbe> ethana2: actually it is
[03:07] <ethana2> toresbe: it is?
[03:07] <RAOF> It is in _my_ video bios, yes.
[03:07] <ethana2> hmmmmmm
[03:07] <ethana2> I suppose my main data is that my VTs are 600x800 or something
[03:07] <toresbe> ethana2: that is a VESA standard resolution
[03:07] <ethana2> toresbe: interesting..
[03:07] <lucent> is there a suggested tool to take an Ubuntu live install desktop cd ISO and put it onto an USB stick to use as an installer?
[03:08] <lucent> I've used unetbootin
[03:08] <RAOF> System->Administration->Create USB Stick
[03:08] <toresbe> ethana2: If you're on a PC, the VT is 720x400
[03:08] <lucent> RAOF: that creates an installer, or does it install to a usb stick the running system?
[03:08] <ethana2> toresbe: I am, but why is that?
[03:08] <toresbe> ethana2: (though calling it 720x400 is less than meaningful since it is not addressable as graphics)
[03:08] <ethana2> how can I change it to 1440x900?
[03:09] <ethana2> toresbe: well yes, I realize that, but I'm saying..
[03:09] <toresbe> ethana2: You can insert the fb modules, but that really is a bit more trouble than it's generally considered to be worth :)
[03:09] <ethana2> I'd like to use it CLI only off a flash drive as a portable ogg player..
[03:09] <RAOF> That takes a desktop iso, puts it on a usb stick, makes it bootable, and optionally adds a writable storage area.
[03:09] <toresbe> http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/fb/fbcon.txt :)
[03:09] <lucent> RAOF: perfect, thanks
[03:10] <toresbe> Nobody here has a link about the nVidia situation, though?
[03:10] <lucent> RAOF: I wish it worked from the menu though
[03:10] <lucent> RAOF: needs gksu
[03:10] <RAOF> It doesn't?
[03:10]  * toresbe misses things like... video
[03:10] <toresbe> which nv doesn't have :(
[03:10] <RAOF> lucent: Calls with gksudo for me.
[03:10] <ethana2> ah
[03:11] <RAOF> toresbe: You'll need a recent geforce card, the -180 drivers, and IgnoreABI until nvidia decide to fix it.
[03:11] <toresbe> RAOF: but if I use that, X keeps crashing.
[03:11] <RAOF> Failing that, nouveau is _almost_ installable :)
[03:12] <RAOF> If you grab nouveau-kernel-source from new, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is installable, and should offer you sweet Xv.
[03:12] <lucent> RAOF: my mistkae
[03:12] <lucent> RAOF: I'm guessing then it doesn't want to install to SD
[03:13] <lucent> I have a USB<->microSD adapter
[03:13] <RAOF> Maybe; it uses HAL to find all the mounted USB sticks, so it might be ignoring your SD.
[03:14] <toresbe> RAOF: Hrm, it works better in single-monitor mode :)
[03:14] <lucent> RAOF: is that a bug or ... do I do something about it?
[03:14] <RAOF> lucent: It might be a bug; perhaps the filter is too strict.  I presume your SD card simply doesn't show up?
[03:17] <lucent> SD  card shows up on desktop as SD image picture
[03:17] <lucent> that part works fine
[03:17] <lucent> usb-creator doesn't list any devices
[03:18] <RAOF> Right.  That's what I meant.
[03:18] <lucent> is there an over-riding mode?
[03:18] <RAOF> No; I'm trying to find that hal-device-browser thingy.
[03:19] <lucent> thanks, I will be happy to test any suggestions
[03:25] <lucent> RAOF: gnome-device-manager  I think
[03:25] <lucent> USB Device > USB Mass Storage Interface > SCSI Host Adapter > SCSI Device > SD/MMC Drive > 1.9 GB Volume
[03:30] <lucent> RAOF: also "d-feet"
[03:30]  * RAOF needs to find one of his USB sticks before he can help compare.
[03:35] <RAOF> WHERE ARE THEY!
[03:35] <lucent> none on your keychain?
[03:38] <lucent> if d.GetProperty('storage.bus') == 'usb' and \
[03:38] <RAOF> Win!
[03:38] <lucent> in /usr/share/pyshared/usbcreator/backend.py
[03:39] <RAOF> Right.  That's what I was trying to find.
[03:40] <RAOF> And your SD card has a bus property of...? :)
[03:41] <lucent> trying to figure that out
[03:41] <RAOF> _That_ you can find in gnome-device-manager :)
[03:41] <RAOF> Although you need to turn on View->Device Properties.
[03:42] <lucent> oh, aha!
[03:43] <lucent> drive_type is sd_mmc
[03:43] <lucent> is that what you want?
[03:43] <RAOF> storage.bus is what we're after.
[03:43] <lucent> oh
[03:43] <RAOF> Since that's what it's searching for.
[03:43] <lucent> storage.bus=usb
[03:44] <RAOF> Urgh.
[03:46] <lucent> storage.drive_type=sd_mmc, storage.bus=usb, storage.removable=True
[03:48] <RAOF> Hm.  Try running usb-creator from the command line; it may mention why it's rejecting it.
[03:50] <lucent> RAOF: it doesn't output verbosely anything though
[03:50] <RAOF> Jaunty really is much less responsive while rsyncing the contents of $HOME.
[03:52] <RAOF> AHA! There it is.
[03:53] <RAOF> if d.GetProperty('storage.drive_type') != 'disk': continue.
[03:53] <RAOF> That's why it doesn't see your SD card.
[03:53]  * lucent stabs
[03:53] <lucent> so what's the solution though?
[03:53] <RAOF> I'd probably file a bug.  As long as you can boot from an SD card, I can't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to install to it.
[03:53] <lucent> add an option to the interface to allow SD?
[03:53] <RAOF> Urgh, no.
[03:53] <lucent> true
[03:54] <RAOF> Just allow SD cards, too.  Make that check more accurate.
[03:54] <lucent> SD cards are not generally bootable
[03:54] <lucent> it would confuse a lot of people
[03:55] <RAOF> Oh, really?  Why is yours bootable then?
[03:55] <lucent> the card is attached via an external USB memory storage reader
[03:55] <lucent> so it's really a USB reader and the BIOS treats it like a USB stick
[03:55] <lucent> my internal PCIe attached SD reader is not bootable
[03:56] <RAOF> So, still file the bug; it's just not quite such a slam-dunk easy fix.
[03:57] <pwnguin> i thought we fixed this for intrepid
[03:57]  * lucent agrees
[03:57] <pwnguin> theres already a bug filed iirc
[03:57] <lucent> pwnguin: #?
[03:58] <pwnguin> whats the package?
[03:58] <lucent> usb-creator command, um...
[03:58] <lucent> pwnguin: split between app-install-data and usb-creator
[03:59] <lucent> mostly usb-creator
[04:00] <pwnguin> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/280336
[04:01] <pwnguin> apparently not
[04:02] <pwnguin> lucent: go knock some heads ;)
[04:03] <lucent> pwnguin: I'm all out of bubblegum
[04:08] <lucent> RAOF: removing that check in two places from backend.py does allow the device to appear in usb-creator list
[05:53] <andresmh> i have 64-bit laptop, would you suggest me to try out Jaunty 32 or 64-bit? I am currently running Intrepid 32-bit because I remember having some issues with sound and builtin webcam
[06:14] <brandi> hi. Anyone know why I might be getting a blank white screen when starting KDE from KDM in Jaunty? I checked the config file and compositing is set to false. I don't see anything else significant about the issue on the forums or google.
[06:15] <genii> brandi: Intel 810 video card?
[06:27] <brandi> actually. it's an nvidia
[06:27] <brandi> older model.
[06:29] <brandi> that was weird
[06:30] <brandi> It does seem to be a driver issue though. KDM loads and looks fine. Once in KDE, I can bring up the process manager w/ keyboard shortbuts.
[06:30] <brandi> ha shortcuts.
[06:31] <brandi> I can not start KDE in "safe mode" however and my NIC is also not detected -- ifconfig -a shows only the loopback device.
[07:25] <x1250> Xorg doesn't seem to recognize Mode 0666 in Section "DRI" anymore. I have to constantly do a manual sudo chmod 0666 /dev/dri/card0, or I get permission problems and no hardware acceleration. I guess I'll file a bug report. Any one else experiencing this?
[08:03] <Melik> anyone have an idea when alpha 3 is going to get released?
[08:06] <peterz> anybody else have trouble with kde 4.2-rc1?
[10:26] <zsakr> Evolution 2.24.2 has a bug in ubuntu?
[10:30] <x1250> zsakr, sure it has, try searching launchpad.net for all open bugs
[10:30] <zsakr> is there a chan for evolution?
[10:31] <x1250> no idea
[17:53] <shadowhywind> has anyone tried the nvidia drivers yet?
[18:01] <shadowhywind> also, I am having issues with menu's not displaying what they should. they just show the frame of the menu, any ideas on how to fix
[18:04] <fosco_> i'm using alpha2, gnome menu is ok but i can't get the nvidia driver working
[18:14] <Ienorand> when is alpha3 due?
[18:15] <charlie-tca> when it gets finished with testing by QA
[18:17] <fosco_> maybe in 1 or 2 days
[18:18] <charlie-tca> We have hope :-)
[18:19] <ArcSighter> hello everybody?
[18:19] <fosco_> wellcome? :)
[18:19] <ArcSighter> how is jauntu running? I want to upgrade or downgrade because I had terribly slow down issues with intrepid
[18:20] <ArcSighter> what do you people recommend?
[18:20] <fosco_> ArcSighter, jaunty is in a very early stage
[18:20] <bazhang> will jaunty run with minimal ram?
[18:20] <bazhang> ie 312MB?
[18:20] <fosco_> bazhang, 256mb just as intrepid
[18:20] <bazhang> fosco_, thanks
[18:21] <ArcSighter> well I'll downgrade to hardy then, because I can't work in my pc
[18:21] <fosco_> if you are low on ram try a lighter desktop like xfce or openbox
[18:21] <ArcSighter> terribly slow after upgrading to 8.10
[18:21] <ArcSighter> fosco_:  no, hardy ran just fine
[18:21] <fosco_> ArcSighter, yes, you'd better downgrade
[18:21] <ArcSighter> with 312 mb ram
[18:22] <drakesoft>  hello, everybody! I want to download the alpha 3 of kubuntu (jaunty), but the download server says "not found". When is the release of the cd images?
[18:22] <ArcSighter> fosco_: do you have any clue of what may be causing this slowdowns
[18:22] <ArcSighter> ?
[18:22] <fosco_> not sure, ask in #ubuntu
[18:22] <hggdh> ArcSighter, the best place to get info on Intrepid is #ubuntu,
[18:23] <ArcSighter> yes i come from there
[18:23] <hggdh> heh
[18:23] <ArcSighter> they can't figure out anything
[18:23] <hggdh> did you look at you memory utilisation?
[18:23] <fosco_> general instructions, keep an open terminal with the top program running to see what is happening
[18:23] <ArcSighter> yes sure
[18:24] <ArcSighter> I got thunderbird consuming 20% of RAM , firefox 9 and a loadavg of 15.42 8-(
[18:24] <fosco_> sometimes trackerd uses excessive resources, try disabling it
[18:25] <hggdh> ArcSighter, top should tell you what is using CPU
[18:25] <hggdh> (or htop)
[18:27] <x1250> ArcSighter, try changing to another video driver. Maybe you're having problems with that, and Xorg is slowing down. Try using the opensource driver for your card, or vesa.
[18:30] <x1250> drakesoft, I guess nobody knows yet, but you can always use the daily builds, if you're impatient.
[18:31] <ArcSighter> fosco_: I've already done that
[18:31] <ArcSighter> (disabling trackerd)
[18:31] <ArcSighter> I just said everytime I open a desktop app such as firefox or thunderbird it consumes a lot of cpu/ram
[18:31] <ArcSighter> they did fine in hardy, so I'm lost, some say is the unstable kernel
[18:31] <ArcSighter> but I don't know
[18:31] <ArcSighter> x1250: i'll install the restricted drivers for my ATI card but that wasn't necessary in hardy
[18:32] <hggdh> ArcSighter, you still did not tell us what is using CPU
[18:32] <ArcSighter> firefox, thunderbird, pigin, xorg
[18:33] <hggdh> sigh
[18:33] <x1250> ArcSighter, whats the output of $ glxinfo | grep -i "opengl vendor" ?
[18:33] <tretle> hi, i was wondering where i could find daily live cd builds
[18:33] <ArcSighter> a second
[18:33] <x1250> !daily
[18:34] <ArcSighter> x1250: DRI R300 Project
[18:34] <x1250> ArcSighter, thats fine.
[18:34] <tretle> brilliant, thanks for the link... ext4 here i come :) :P
[18:34] <drakesoft> hmm i want to test kubuntu amd64 alpha3
[18:34] <ArcSighter> x1250, i'll log in a different user
[18:34] <ArcSighter> to test
[18:34] <ArcSighter> wait a minute
[18:38] <arcsighter> x1250: i'm in another user
[18:38] <arcsighter> I'll test
[18:41] <arcsighter> x1250 Im in another user, even with VE enabled and I got no slowdowns
[18:41] <x1250> arcsighter, then try cleaning your gnome configuration for the bad user, and that should do it.
[18:42] <arcsighter> exactly which dirs
[18:42] <arcsighter> wait, let me open thunderbird
[18:42] <arcsighter> for testing
[18:43] <arcsighter> ok it's working
[18:43] <arcsighter> what should I delete .gconf .gconfd .gnome2 .gnome2_private
[18:43] <arcsighter> what?
[18:44] <x1250> arcsighter, yep, try that.
[18:44] <arcsighter> all of them
[18:44] <arcsighter> ???
[18:44] <arcsighter> a fail-safe gnome won't do fine???
[18:46] <x1250> I don't know what fail-safe does, so I can't tell.
[18:46] <arcsighter> fail-safe gnome session
[18:46] <arcsighter> ok I'm off
[18:48] <Ienorand> how do I upgrade to latest jaunty from ibex?
[18:49] <x1250> Ienorand, in terminal: update-manager -d
[18:50] <Ienorand> x1250: nice cheers
[18:51] <Ienorand> x1250: So apt-get is unable to do this?
[18:52] <Pici> Ienorand: update-manager does some additional manipulation to properly upgrade to a new release. Including automatically updating your sources.list etc.
[19:09] <x1250> I read in DistUpgradeController.py that it runs with --force-overwrite by default. update-manager-0.96.3/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeController.py seems to have all the magic.
[19:09] <x1250> also, man update-manager has some info.
[19:10] <x1250> well, little info.
[19:10] <mvo_> x1250: what do you want to know?
[19:10] <mvo_> (what specific information)
[19:12] <x1250> mvo_, just reading the thing to get an idea of what it does. I don't know what I'm looking for until I see something interesting.
[19:13] <mvo_> x1250: heh :) check out the DistUpradeQuirks.py then too
[19:13] <mvo_> it deals with the little oddities that creep in
[19:13] <mvo_> (also the quirks section for jaunty is very small)
[19:14] <x1250> oh, ok, thanks, I'll read that :)
[19:32] <woody86> anybody else having problems with xorg eating their CPU after updating to jaunty?
[19:33] <BUGabundo1> woody86: still with older xorg
[19:33] <BUGabundo1> until nvidia fix their driver
[19:33] <BUGabundo1> other then dual monitor, I see no prob
[19:34] <BUGabundo1> but when on dual monitor, system can be slow! its nice to type stuff and see it show only a few secs latter!
[19:34] <mikhmv> I have problem with xorg
[19:35] <mikhmv> my xorg freeze too often
[19:35] <x1250> woody86, thats probably a video driver issue, what video card?
[19:38] <mikhmv> anybody have problem with random freezing xorg in juanty?
[19:38] <woody86> BUGabundo1 , x1250 , it's an integrated ittel chipset
[19:38] <woody86> intel*
[19:39] <BUGabundo1> intel as been going a bit under the road lately. they used to be so stalbe
[19:40] <x1250> IIRC, there is some info about intel on ubuntuforums.org, but maybe old info.
[19:40] <x1250> woody86, try using vesa, or creating a new user and see if it works better.
[19:41] <woody86> x1250, how can I switch over to vesa? I've never had to switch drivers before
[19:42] <x1250> woody86, put a line that reads: Driver "vesa", on /etc/X11/xorg.conf, under Section Device.
[19:43] <x1250> woody86, then pastebin your xorg.conf, to see if its ok.
[19:43] <genii> If it's an i810 they don't like vesa as a driver much, you just get white screen. For them you need specifically i810 driver
[19:44] <woody86> I have the 945gm chipset
[19:44] <charlie-tca> x1250: you get the i810 to work in jaunty?
[19:45] <aq12s1> Hi - I upgraded from Intrepid to Jaunty yesterday - Nvidia drivers (v180.22) worked after adding IgnoreABI, my AR5007 chipset (which was unsupported in Intrepid) was detected (as ath5k is now included). Sound worked fine as always. Just wanted to say that the release is looking great and I didn't have any major problems - congrats on the great work you've done. :)
[19:45] <x1250> charlie-tca, IIRC there were some problems with intel on alpha2. Don't know now.
[19:45] <BUGabundo1> aq12s1: is 180 in the repos or PPA?
[19:45] <BUGabundo1> or are you using nvidia version?
[19:46] <charlie-tca> I think they continue... I put in an nvidia MX4000 because of it
[19:46] <mikhmv> Can anybody recommend driver for Intell X4500HD?
[19:46] <aq12s1> I think nvidia-glx-180 is in the repos
[19:46] <BUGabundo1> aq12s1: I'll have to check
[19:47] <aq12s1> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/nvidia-glx-180
[19:47] <BUGabundo1> $ apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-180  Installed: (none) Candidate: 180.22-0ubuntu2
[19:47] <BUGabundo1> you are correct
[19:47] <BUGabundo1> let me try to see if I can make may 8400m G work with it
[19:47] <aq12s1> good luck (Y)
[19:47] <BUGabundo1> so I can bump Xorg that is queued in UM
[19:48] <woody86> x1250, here's my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/105675/
[19:48] <x1250> woody86, looks ok to me.
[19:49] <woody86> x1250, ok, now ctrl+alt+backspace enough to get it to work, or do i need to reboot?
[19:50] <x1250> woody86, no reboot, just restartx, ctrl+alt+bckspce, or end your session. Getting to gdm will do.
[19:50] <woody86> ok, brb
[19:50] <BUGabundo1> wasn't c+a+d disabled on Alpha2 ?
[19:51] <charlie-tca> yes, BUGabundo1
[19:51] <x1250> BUGabundo1, it can be enabled in Section "ServerFlags", Option "DontZap" "False"
[19:52] <charlie-tca> no, sorry, ctrl+alt+bkspace was, though
[19:52] <BUGabundo1> charlie-tca: but I still have it on, and didn't manually changed anyting
[19:52] <BUGabundo1> yeah backspace
[19:52] <BUGabundo1> typo
[19:53] <charlie-tca> I haven't been able to use it with alpha3 prerelease either
[19:53] <BUGabundo1> but I do! just did yesterday and today
[19:53] <x1250> BUGabundo1, it was disabled in the new Xorg.
[19:53] <BUGabundo1> but as I said, I still have xorg updates in queue
[19:53] <BUGabundo1> ahh ok
[19:56] <charlie-tca> could be me. My emachines can't find the keyboard today
[19:57] <woody86> x1250, nope, couldn't ctrl+alt+backspace, so had to reboot, and then error came up when trying to startx: 'no screen found'
[19:57] <woody86> so had to remove vesa driver to start it
[19:58] <x1250> woody86, that sound like a bug. vesa _should_ work, but well, there seems to be a practical difference between is and should. Maybe open a bug in launchpad?
[19:58] <x1250> woody86, try creating another user, and see how it goes
[19:59] <woody86> ok, lemme try
[20:00] <woody86> the 'unlock' feature is grayed out in 'users settings'
[20:01] <woody86> x1250, is there a way to do it with the command line?
[20:02] <x1250> woody86, $ sudo adduser woody87
[20:03] <woody86> brb
[20:13] <woody86> x1250, you sir, are a genius! :)
[20:13] <x1250> woody86, thats what my mom says :D, lol
[20:13] <woody86> x1250, now if I remove this new user will it go back to being screwy?
[20:13] <woody86> haha
[20:16] <x1250> woody86, try cleaning up your local dirs, .gnome*, .gconf* and friends.
[20:20] <woody86> x1250, removing them?
[20:21] <x1250> woody86, or moving them, your choice.
[20:22] <woody86> x1250, ok, then what?
[20:23] <x1250> just restart X and your user should be like brand new, or sort of.
[20:24] <woody86> ok, brb again
[20:30] <Melik> is jaunty still on freeze?
[20:30] <woody86> x1250, cool, now ho can I remove the fake user completely?
[20:31] <Melik> jaunty alpha 3*
[20:33] <x1250> woody86, use deluser command
[20:34] <woody86> ok, I removed it from the 'user settings' page again, but the home folder is stall there?
[20:34] <hggdh> woody86, sudo rm -rf /home/fakeuser
[20:35] <hggdh> no spaces on the directory name
[20:35] <hggdh> better yet
[20:35] <hggdh> cd /home
[20:35] <hggdh> rm -rf fakeuser
[20:36] <woody86> hggdh, x1250 thanks guys :)
[20:37] <woody86> I'm gonna reboot to test it all out :)
[20:53] <woody86> hggdh, x1250 Thanks again guys! Everything seems to be working great now :)
[20:53] <x1250> woody86, great :)
[20:54] <hggdh> welcome
[21:11] <mphill> ls -al
[21:13] <jnjackins> alpha 3 being released today?
[21:18] <mphill> probably not
[21:18] <mphill> just get the daily live cd
[21:18] <mphill> or run update-manager -d
[21:41] <woody86> well my xorg was working fine, until I closed my laptop lid.  I can't find them
[21:56] <x1250> gnome-system-log is getting in my nerves. Why can't it open the damn logs at the las page? Ok, let it open it in the first line, the first time the log is opened, but every time the log is viewed, is just too much. I guess I'll open a bug report on gnome's bugzilla.
[21:57] <x1250> s/las/last
[21:58] <Hagg1> Does anyone know how much Alfa3 is delayed?
[21:59] <BUGabundo1> Hagg1: isn't it out yet? autch
[22:01] <Hagg1> BUGabundo1: Alfa3 should be out as of yesterday according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule but http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-3/ gives HTTP404
[22:01] <apokalyp1> it's out when QA is finished
[22:01] <hggdh> btw, help is welcome ;-)
[22:02] <BUGabundo1> yes it should
[22:02] <BUGabundo1> that's why I ask Hagg1
[22:05] <Hagg1> maby I'll try with alfa2 for the moment,  I only want to use a LiveCD to confim a bug in a DVB-driver, no big stuff
[22:06] <Hagg1> hggdh: what needs to be done with the QA, and where do I find it?
[22:08] <Hagg1> BUGabundo1: what do you ask me? I'm confused
[22:09] <hggdh> Hagg1, channel is #ubuntu-testing; help with testing the ISOs is needed
[22:09] <BUGabundo1> LOL
[22:10] <hggdh> Hagg1, the ISO you will get is pretty much the final ISO (if no problems)
[22:14] <Hagg1> hggdh: is there anything special you want me to test or report (exept from my bug #229879)?
[22:15] <BUGabundo1> Hagg1: if the installer allows you to set 2 partitions (one ext4 and one swap) let me know!
[22:15] <BUGabundo1> there was a bug with it, and it made me postpone my fresh install
[22:16] <Hagg1> BUGabundo1 & hggdh: shall I post output from lshw or something somewhere, to confirm what is working, or do we ignore the working hardware?
[22:17] <BUGabundo1> Hagg1: bug 310083
[22:22] <Hagg1> BUGabundo1: where can I find a daily ISO where the fix is included?
[22:25] <BUGabundo1> !dailies
[22:25] <BUGabundo1> !daily
[22:30] <hggdh> Hagg1, current ISO testing images are at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ if you want to help
[22:31] <Hagg1> hggdh: ok? What is the difference between the images on your link and the images on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ ?
[22:33] <hggdh> the link provides the most-near-real ISO images for Alpha3 right now, and probably supersede the latest daily
[22:34] <hggdh> i.e., if the tests are successfull, they will become official Alpha3
[22:36] <Hagg1> ok, it seems to be the same iso at the moment; 20090116.3
[22:39] <Hagg1> hggdh: where do I find the iso on your link? I only find testcases
[22:39] <Melik> anyone know what pktcdvd is?
[22:40] <Melik> because i get this error at boot up, something like:
[22:41] <hggdh> Hagg1, weird. I can get the images. Each option on the page will navigate you to another page, with the images
[22:42] <joejc> whats new in jaunty?
[22:42] <hggdh> Melik, packet DVD writer?
[22:43] <Melik> mknod /dev/pktcdvd/control
[22:43] <hggdh> joejc, pretty much everything, if you are talking about programmes
[22:43] <Melik> hggdh, honestly no idea
[22:43] <Melik> its some error like that
[22:43] <joejc> how buggy is it?
[22:43] <Hagg1> hggdh: ahh, now I found them.. the link is camoflaged :)
[22:44] <Melik> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/315979
[22:45] <hggdh> Hagg1, heh :-)
[22:45] <Melik> bash: cd: /dev/pktcdvd/: Too many levels of symbolic links
[22:45] <Melik> melik@matrix:/$
[22:45] <Melik> :/
[22:46] <Hagg1> *camouflaged
[22:47] <hggdh> Melik, you have a /dev/<whatever> file in 9.04?
[22:48] <hggdh> joejc, is is -- right now -- quite unstable. Read the channel title ;-)
[22:48] <joejc> is it usable as a main os?
[22:49] <Melik> what hggdh ?
[22:50] <hggdh> joejc, if you know Linux, and you are not afraid of having to recover from bad things, then use it. *I* do, but I have had some very bad experiences
[22:50] <hggdh> Melik, Jaunty should not use /dev anymore
[22:53] <Melik> hggdh,  is there any way to revert back to intrepid?
[22:55] <hggdh> Melik, not really, apart from a full reinstall.
[22:56] <hggdh> Melik, did you install any non-ubuntu package/programme?
[22:56] <Melik> yeah i have a couple
[22:57] <Melik> man i just dont want to do an entire install :/
[22:57] <Melik> too long to configure
[22:58] <Melik> and remove un-needed bloatware
[22:58] <hggdh> would any of these deal with DVDs?
[22:58] <Melik> what?
[22:58] <hggdh> would any of these non-ubuntu packages deal with DVDs?
[22:58] <Melik> oh no
[22:59] <hggdh> pity. It would simplify the issue...
[22:59] <Melik> eh its fine
[22:59] <Melik> i think im going to do a minimal ubuntu install
[22:59] <Melik> and just build up from there
[22:59] <hggdh> well, yes, you could.
[23:02] <hggdh> Melik, pktcdvd seems to be a kernel module
[23:03] <hggdh> hum. the module is not present anymore on 2.6.28-4
[23:19] <Hagg1> USB keyboard does not work on bootmenu in livecd (daily:20090116.3), and it has not on earlier versions either, should I file a bug or a wishlist?
[23:44] <milos_> has anyone manage to make nvidia-180 driver work?
[23:49]  * ST47 observes that the latest jaunty alpha has a weird terminal beep


[01:00] <gnaunited> imbrandon ping
[01:01] <gnaunited> ping ubuntulog
[01:01] <gnaunited> nvm then
[03:50] <troy_s> greetings all.
[04:05] <troy_s> /notify
[07:10] <joejaxx> Good Morning All
[07:14] <BHSPitLappy> yo
[07:17] <joejaxx> hwllo
[07:17] <joejaxx> hello
[07:17] <joejaxx> BHSPitLappy: what are you up to at this hour?
[07:18] <BHSPitLappy> just got home from work
[07:18] <joejaxx> oh ok
[07:18] <BHSPitLappy> is it 6:30am over there??
[07:18] <joejaxx> 1:18AM
[07:19] <BHSPitLappy> ah
[07:19] <BHSPitLappy> your ctcp time reply is funky, then
[07:19] <BHSPitLappy> err
[07:19] <joejaxx> yeah
[07:19] <BHSPitLappy> wait
[07:19] <BHSPitLappy> I made a mistake, but it's still funky
[07:19] <BHSPitLappy> it reports 12:18
[07:19] <joejaxx> yeah it is where this server is
[07:22] <joejaxx> right now i am trying to make a ubuntu like drupal theme for the site
[07:22] <joejaxx> based off the spreadfox theme
[07:26] <joejaxx> well bbl
[12:13] <lapo> hi
[03:00] <troy_s> howdy
[05:35] <HiddenWolf> Is there a designer here that would be interested in making me a logo for a project I'm working on?
[06:06] <HiddenWolf> question still stands.
[08:37] <msikma> Hi everybody
[08:37] <msikma> I have a question: who made the new usplash code again?
[08:44] <msikma> Hmm... I want to use Evolution on an 800x600 display, but the wizard is too large for me to see the "forward" button :P
[08:51] <cbx33> hehehe
[08:57] <msikma> Anyway, whoever made the new code for usplash, I have a (hopefully easy to implement) suggestion for an update.
[08:57] <msikma> Namely, it seems to dump a lot of feedback into my terminal when it starts up.
[08:57] <msikma> Which seems to be debugging information, or something.
[08:57] <msikma> I'd guess that it matters to the people who occasionally switch to tty1, because when logging in, the screen will be littered with debugging information.
[08:58] <msikma> While everything still works, of course.
[09:44] <imbrandon> msikma, Seveas made it ( but best thing to do is make a wishlist bug report on Launchpad.net )
[09:45] <Seveas> msikma, it's not usplash that does that
[09:45] <imbrandon> Seveas, upstart ?
[09:46] <Seveas> mostly the kernel
[09:46] <Seveas> if you boot with quiet on the kernel command line you won't be seeing it
[09:49] <frandavid100> good evening!
[09:55] <frandavid100> andreasn: did you have time to see the icon I sent?
[09:55] <andreasn> oh crap
[09:56] <andreasn> sorry, been busy with material for LinuxWorld the last couple of days
[09:56] <andreasn> and forgot all about it
[09:56] <andreasn> I'll look into it right away
[09:57] <andreasn> all right, looking at the last one you sent me
[09:58] <frandavid100> what's your opinion?
[09:59] <andreasn> it seems that it has a lot of extra nodes in dialog-cancel2.svg
[10:00] <frandavid100> really? but I just moved the ones that were already there.
[10:00] <frandavid100> didn't create any nodes...
[10:02] <andreasn> check this out: http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/toosmanynodes.png
[10:03] <frandavid100> sorry for the unrlated question, but why does your inkscape have tango icons? you added them yourself?
[10:03] <andreasn> yeah, I did, it's in the works
[10:04] <frandavid100> that's really cool
[10:04] <frandavid100> well what can be done about those nodes?
[10:05] <andreasn> you can select them and delete them
[10:05] <frandavid100> alright
[10:05] <andreasn> http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/icons.svg
[10:05] <andreasn> if you want the inkscape icons
[10:05] <andreasn> feel free to help out
[10:05] <frandavid100> I thought maybe inkscape could do that automatically or something
[10:05] <andreasn> you can use the simplify action
[10:06] <andreasn> but that works a little weird
[10:06] <andreasn> need to get off to bed now
[10:06] <andreasn> take care!
[10:06] <frandavid100> take care andreas
[10:06] <andreasn> you too
[10:15] <imbrandon> okies, how many of you guys and gals are awake ?
[10:16] <imbrandon> i need a few testers for the new art.ubuntu.com site ( that mark announced a bit early on me hehe ) so if you all have some time today run http://art-staging.ubuntu.com through the ringer ( and it will /not/ get wiped ) as long as no "show stoppers" come up it will go live soon
[10:16] <imbrandon> i'm off for a little bit , email me if you have any issues<EMAIL_ADDRESS>)
[10:17] <imbrandon> cbx33 dborg effraie HiddenWolf jelmer joejaxx michielsikma_ msikma nixternal ryanakca troy_s Seveas ^^
[10:18] <nixternal> can i put moonies up ?
[10:18] <imbrandon> nixternal, only if you want your ip banned ;)
[10:18] <nixternal> that is art, unless of course it is my moon, then it should be illegal
[10:18] <nixternal> haha
[10:19] <michielsikma_> imbrandon: don't do that.
[10:19] <imbrandon> as in dont do what ?
[10:20] <nixternal> ban my ip ;)
[10:21] <ryanakca> imbrandon: PONG
[10:21] <ryanakca> too bad I can't do what seveas did and kick you with the message PONG
[10:21] <ryanakca> ah
[10:22] <imbrandon> hahaha
[10:22] <ryanakca> hey Seveas :)
[10:27] <ryanakca> imbrandon: it looks good :)
[10:28] <ryanakca> imbrandon: umm... when the validation for registration is sent, would it be possible to have something like "Ubuntu Artwork" in the From/Sender field?
[10:31] <imbrandon> ryanakca, done
[10:31] <ryanakca> kk
[10:31] <imbrandon> ( will from now on )
[10:31] <imbrandon> anyhow, i'm off, later
[10:32] <ryanakca> kk, see yah
[10:32] <ryanakca> oooh, interesting, password protected albums...
[11:07] <michielsikma_> imbrandon: don't name everybody in the channel for no reason. It sets off people's alerts.
[11:09] <imbrandon_> i set them off intentionaly, read the line before i did so, i know the netiquate for spamers , and this was not done in that sense,thanks
[11:15] <msikma> imbrandon_: it matters not. Do not set off people's highlights needlessly. It needlessly alerts them.
[11:16] <msikma> It's annoying, it's spamming, whatever you want to call it.
[11:17] <msikma> There is never a reason to do it, and ``trying to attract attention for channel-wide announcements'' is not an excuse either.
[11:17] <msikma> If you're important enough to have to say things that concern everybody in the channel, you'll edit the topic.
[11:19] <Seveas> urh, msikma got his pants twisted...


[17:39] <salem_> roadmr, ping
[17:42] <roadmr> salem_: pong! how are you doing?
[17:42] <salem_> roadmr, hey, I am fine, thanks. and you?
[17:42] <roadmr> salem_: doing fine thanks :)
[17:43] <salem_> roadmr, cool! Hey, just wanted to let you know I just updated my branch with the show_tree() working.
[17:44] <roadmr> salem_: awesome!
[17:44] <salem_> roadmr, and also would like to know if there are any updates regarding the user stories
[17:45] <roadmr> salem_: Ara got started with a document, it has a few wireframes but only a couple of user stories
[17:48] <salem_> roadmr, ok, cool. If you think about anything I could be useful, I would be glad to help. Just ping me.
[17:49] <roadmr> salem_: ok, so the idea was to go as far as getting the tree selector to work, I'm looking at it now and it looks great
[17:50] <roadmr> salem_: ara is off today, but I'll talk to her tomorrow, let her know that we've reached this milestone, and see how far along are we with the user stories
[17:52] <roadmr> salem_: I'll also ask her to give you access to the design doc, then we can decide on what needs to be done, both for the frontend and the core
[17:59] <salem_> roadmr, nice! sounds great. I will wait for it then! Thanks.
[18:02] <roadmr> salem_: thank you, very nice work on the UI :)
[18:04] <salem_> roadmr, thanks! I am excited to start working on the new UI :)
[22:02] <mvo> if someone could do a quick sru verification  for app-install-data-partner that would be really great! bug #905413 - essentially its enough to verify that vmware-view-client can be installed with the package app-install-data-partner from oneiric-proposed
[22:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 905413 in app-install-data-partner (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 3 other projects) "SRU for vmware-view (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/905413


[02:24] <callmepk> good morning
[02:26] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[02:26] <callmepk> morning duflu
[02:26] <sarnold> hey callmepk, duflu :)
[02:27] <duflu> Hi sarnold
[02:27] <callmepk> hi sarnold
[06:32] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:35] <jibel> Good morning
[06:43] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, jibel, seb128, ricotz
[06:47] <jibel> Hi duflu
[06:47] <oSoMoN> salut jibel, hey duflu
[06:47] <ricotz> hey duflu
[06:47] <duflu> Favourite hack of the day:  sudo cp ~/.config/monitors.xml ~gdm/.config/
[06:47] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[06:47] <ricotz> good morning desktopers
[06:57] <jibel> Hi oSoMoN ricotz
[08:07] <didrocks> good morning
[08:21] <jibel> Salut didrocks
[08:22] <didrocks> hello jibel
[08:25] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, didrocks, jibel
[08:25] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:26] <seb128> hey ricotz, duflu
[08:26] <seb128> hey jamesh
[08:26] <seb128> how is everyone?
[08:26] <jibel> Salut seb128 , ça va?
[08:26] <jamesh> hi seb128
[08:27] <seb128> ça va ! no being woken up in the night for once, the day still started at 6h30 but that's an improvement still over previous night ;-)
[08:31] <Nafallo> salut tout le monde :-)
[08:33] <didrocks> bonjour bonjour Nafallo :p
[08:38] <ricotz> hey oSoMoN jibel didrocks seb128 jamesh Nafallo
[08:39] <jibel> Good morning ricotz
[08:40] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[08:44] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk duflu sarnold oSoMoN jibel ricotz didrocks seb128 jamesh
[08:44] <marcustomlinson> a full house today :)
[08:45] <Nafallo> virtual house. it will expand as necessary ;-)
[08:45] <marcustomlinson> oh and Nafallo
[08:45] <marcustomlinson> hi :)
[08:45] <jibel> Good morning marcustomlinson
[08:45] <Nafallo> marcustomlinson: :-D
[08:53] <didrocks> hey hey marcustomlinson :)
[08:56]  * ricotz is looking forward to uploading libreoffice 7.1.2~rc2 soon :)
[09:28] <marcustomlinson> ricotz: 😎
[09:33] <seb128> shrug, git and me will never get really along :-/
[09:34] <seb128> I've a branch where I merged back some fixes done by the reviewer
[09:34] <seb128> it's clean status now and no pending change
[09:35] <seb128> but I do a rebase -i and validate the commit as they are, it fails on conflicts :/
[09:35] <seb128> those are currently in the repo in the same order, how can apply them in a rebase fail?
[09:41] <duflu> seb128, two ways of avoiding such conflicts (might work): 1. Make a new branch and just 'git cherry-pick` the commits you want. 2. git merge -s recursive -X theirs SOURCEBRANCH will forcefully avoid conflicts by always the taking changes from SOURCEBRANCH
[09:42] <duflu> Or if some other branch has the exact structure you want then:  git reset --hard OTHERBRANCH  will make yours the same graph
[09:43] <duflu> If you make a mistake you can always find your previous head in 'git reflog'
[09:44] <seb128> duflu, thanks, it's my branch which Laney did a tweak to while review, but I guess that editing the history and things aren't linear anymore
[09:44] <duflu> Also hi marcustomlinson
[09:47] <marcustomlinson> \o
[09:47] <didrocks> seb128: while you are on git mastery, do you mind pushing to the debian vcs the just uploaded GNOME Shell changes? I don’t have commit right over there. I’m happy to prepare a patch if you prepare, but that would be a single commit
[09:49] <seb128> didrocks, you have dev status on the salsa gnome-team group, are you sure you can't push to the vcs?
[09:49] <didrocks> seb128: I can try, I didn’t, one sec
[09:49] <seb128> I did add the proper right to ~ubuntu-desktop members so we can maintain the ubuntu package there
[09:50] <didrocks> let’s see
[09:50] <seb128> thx
[09:55] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 1264c69 Didier Roche debian/patches/ series ubuntu/configure_login_screen.patch * Make GDM background configurable with gsettings * https://deb.li/eHfc
[09:55] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 247c010 Didier Roche debian/changelog * releasing package gnome-shell version 3.38.3-3ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/3Av3y
[09:55] <didrocks> indeed, that works :)
[09:55] <seb128> didrocks, \o/
[09:55] <didrocks> thanks seb128
[09:55] <seb128> np!
[09:56] <GunnarHj> Good morning all!
[09:56] <GunnarHj> It looks like I'm a DD now. :)
[09:56] <seb128> hey GunnarHj, how are you? nice, congratulations
[09:56] <seb128> !
[09:57] <didrocks> congrats GunnarHj
[09:57] <GunnarHj> seb128, didrocks: Thanks!
[10:22] <Nafallo> didrocks: I like that commit... :-D
[10:24] <didrocks> Nafallo: I’m sure this is something your clients are asking for regularly :)
[10:26] <Nafallo> not really, but I'm sure branding will love having their background all the way ;-)
[10:33] <marcustomlinson> congrats GunnarHj!
[10:34] <GunnarHj> Thanks marcustomlinson
[10:35] <Nafallo> speaking of git... I need to merge two different git repositories containing "hopefully" the same stuff :-P
[10:35] <Nafallo> I reckon non-git diff is my best friend to even get going, right?
[10:37] <Nafallo> pretty sure I'll loose history either way I do this...
[10:53] <oSoMoN> congrats GunnarHj
[10:53] <GunnarHj> Thx oSoMoN!
[11:16] <jphilips> hi all. its yousuf from the xubuntu team.
[11:17] <jphilips> xubuntu testers discovered that the Desktop folders, and sometimes other folders, weren't being translated
[11:17] <jphilips> seems this issue isn't limited to just xubuntu but affects all flavors
[11:18] <jphilips> i've left comments in this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/885086
[11:38] <oSoMoN> GunnarHj, I've prepared an update to ubuntu-wallpapers with the new artwork for hirsute, but since we're past UI freeze I need an exception, and I read (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#UserInterfaceFreeze_Exceptions) that I need to notify the documentation and translation teams on their respective MLs. I'm happy to follow the process, but I was wondering whether a simple IRC ping would do, as laney told me he usually does?
[11:39] <GunnarHj> oSoMoN: Let's do it here. No problem. We don't have any screenshots which would be affected anyway.
[11:39] <oSoMoN> GunnarHj, excellent, thanks
[15:32] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:35] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[15:36] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN how are you today?
[15:38] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[15:43] <hellsworth> hi there marcustomlinson !
[15:43] <hellsworth> hope you're well too :)
[15:49] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, I'm good, thank you, how are you yourself?
[15:49] <hellsworth> oh i'm feeling a bit better today, thanks!
[16:21] <ricotz> hey hellsworth
[16:21] <hellsworth> hey there ricotz
[18:03] <xclaesse> apt started to complain that http://ddebs.ubuntu.com signature is invalid. Did it change?


[00:28] <warner> iulian: I just updated #419510 to hopefully make it into a proper sync request for foolscap (which is the remaining dependency for tahoe)
[02:41] <LaserJock> ok, this could maybe be a stupid question, but update-maintainer doesn't seem to be working, it just puts in me as Maintainer and not MOTU/Core Dev, is something wrong?
[02:54] <dtchen> LaserJock: probably a bug; see the changes in ubuntu-dev-tools 0.76
[03:15] <LaserJock> ohh, update-maintainer now checks to see if the packages is in Debian unstable
[03:15] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:27] <Laibsch> good morning
[06:27] <Laibsch> why does the PPA try to build for lpia architecture when the control file looks like http://paste.debian.net/45594/ ?
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <therm> Hello, could somebody please sync velocity from debian? bug 423284
[07:34] <therm> could somebody please sync velocity from debian? bug 423284
[10:48] <suji> hi
[10:48] <PartyBoi2> hi suji
[10:50] <suji> i have fixed some bugs in xkeyboard-config, where to i send the patch file?
[10:50] <runasand> suji: to the bug report
[10:50] <runasand> suji: just write a comment and add the patch
[10:50] <suji> runasand:in where?
[10:51] <runasand> suji: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config
[10:51] <runasand> suji: if there's no bug report open for the bugs that you have fixed, report them and add the patch
[10:52] <suji> runasand: okey
[10:53] <dreamcat4> i've made a package for a new php5 variant
[10:54] <dreamcat4> 'php5-fpm' - a faster alternative to php5-fcgi
[10:54] <dreamcat4> REVU: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/php5
[10:54] <dreamcat4> Needs review
[12:59] <therm> could somebody please sync velocity from debian? bug 423284
[13:00] <andv> therm, you need an FFe for it
[13:01] <andv> therm, we are past FF as you may know
[13:01] <pochu> !ffe
[13:01] <andv> pochu, ty
[13:02] <andv> :)
[13:02] <Laney> oldskool
[13:02] <pochu> hey andv, yw :)
[13:02] <pochu> hiya Laney
[13:02] <Laney> afternoon pochu
[13:02] <Laney> goocanvasmm was accepted pretty fast
[13:02] <therm> andv: but isnt it just an update, not a really feature?^^
[13:03] <Laney> ...now we can update glom
[13:03] <andv> pochu, ;)
[13:03] <andv> therm, it's a new upstream release
[13:03] <andv> therm, so you need an FFe, check the link below for more informations.
[13:03] <therm> andv, ok
[13:04] <pochu> Laney: :)
[13:05] <andv> therm, document which tests you've done on karmic with the latest package
[13:05] <andv> therm, move it to an FFe
[13:05] <andv> therm, subscribe motu-release for processing it
[13:05] <Laney> the new ftpmasters seems to have done the trick, eh
[13:06] <directhex> pochu, oh, that g-d-s package ought to be ready, i think
[13:06] <directhex> pochu, give it a test-build in sid
[13:06] <pochu> great, where can I find it?
[13:06] <pochu> directhex: or do you mean you're giving it?
[13:06] <directhex> pkg-cli-libs on alioth
[13:07] <pochu> alright
[13:07] <pochu> svn?
[13:07] <directhex> yeah
[13:07] <pochu> cool
[13:07] <directhex> i'm too lazy and/or stupid to convert to git
[13:07] <pochu> svn works just fine
[13:07] <pochu> it could be faster though :)
[13:08] <james_w> can anyone tell me what the code is likely doing wrong to trigger the segfault in bug 414576?
[13:18] <pochu> directhex: it builds, but lintian output is scary ;)
[13:18] <directhex> pochu, which lintian output isn't simple "whaaaa NMU" stuff?
[13:19] <pochu> directhex: it's not about NMU :)
[13:19] <pochu> well that too, but that doesn't make it scary
[13:19] <directhex> which bits are scary then? i have no sid pbuilder on here
[13:22] <pochu> http://paste.debian.net/45611/
[13:22] <pochu> there are many errors, but fixing debian/copyright should get rid of all of them
[13:24] <directhex> bleh. i tend to only notice source errors from lintian
[13:24] <directhex> okay, so the package needs a little love
[13:27] <AnAnt> is it alright to add a new package in multiverse now ?
[13:27] <AnAnt> or is that freezed ?
[13:28] <AnAnt> sorry, I meant universe
[13:42] <bigon> dholbach: hi, I'm adjusting the dependencies of meta-telepathy pkgs and telepathy-devel-gtk will pull nothing any more as I remove the 2 last depends
[13:56] <directhex> pochu, apparently sid is unpbuilderable again today, but try now?
[13:58] <directhex> W: Failure while configuring base packages.
[13:58] <directhex> pbuilder: debootstrap failed
[14:16] <dholbach> bigon: sure, do whatever you like with the package :)
[14:17] <dholbach> bigon: I might still have an interest in telepathy in general, but I can't call myself a maintainer there, so I'll trust you :)
[14:18] <bigon> dholbach: ok
[14:18]  * dholbach hugs bigon
[14:18] <dholbach> great work!
[14:29] <pochu> directhex: much better now :)
[14:29] <pochu> directhex: want me to upload? if so, shall I ignore the NMU warnings?
[14:29] <pochu> -> #d-cli
[14:47] <blackxored> hello everybody
[14:57] <andv> hello
[14:58] <andv> blackxored, so the automatic updates for vuze are only done to plugins?
[14:59] <blackxored> andv, effectively
[14:59] <blackxored> mandatory and non-mandatory plugins only
[14:59] <blackxored> no core, no core patcher, and no swt, at the moment
[14:59] <andv> blackxored, so you disabled all core / swt libraries except plugins
[15:00] <andv> which don't do any harm to the archive
[15:00] <andv> looks ok
[15:00] <blackxored> andv, exactly my point
[15:00] <andv> perfect then
[15:00] <blackxored> the patches are simple as you may see, no big deal, but since I got revision from upstream devs, I
[15:00] <blackxored> am pretty comfortable with it ;)
[15:01] <andv> ScottK, did you read the follow ups about azureus?
[15:01] <ScottK> andv: I did.  I plan to look into it a bit later today.
[15:01] <andv> ScottK, looks great, thanks
[15:04] <blackxored> andv, if no more questions and you're ok with it, that seems fine to me, back to work, don't you mind, right?
[15:05] <andv> blackxored, you've explained everything on the bug report
[15:05] <andv> blackxored, we just need scott to check it later today
[15:05] <andv> and then should be fine
[15:05] <blackxored> andv, great, BTW sorry about the FFE
[15:05] <blackxored> see you around
[15:05] <andv> np
[15:05] <andv> cya
[15:26] <trip0> i need to run aclocal+automake+autoconf before I configure for my package.  Where do I add that to my debian/rules file for it to work properly?
[15:30] <james_w> trip0: add "autoreconf -i" as before the ./configure call in the "configure:" target
[15:36] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:41] <bigon> shouldn't gallago completely dropped from the archive?
[16:00] <maco> i was going to package up mypaint, but i just noticed its in sid. how do i go about asking for it to be pulled from sid into karmic?
[16:01] <geser> usually with a sync request but we are in feature freeze now, so you need an exception to sync it right now
[16:35] <dholbach> Ubuntu Developer Week will start in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:45] <andv> bdrung_, please update the audacity sync request into a proper FFe
[18:41] <RainCT_> dyfet: Hey. Are you a MOTU?
[18:41] <dyfet> Not yet :)
[18:44] <dreamcat4> RainCT; Brand new php package uploaded 'php-fpm'
[18:45] <dreamcat4> faster / more effecient php
[18:45] <dreamcat4> Can check it out at REVU: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/php5
[18:45] <ScottK> Get your box rooted even faster than before. ...
[18:45] <dreamcat4> Just writing out a freeze exception request for Karmic
[18:45] <RainCT_> haha
[18:46] <dreamcat4> Paired with nginx = much more memory effectient than apache 2
[18:46] <RainCT_> ScottK: don't like PHP? :)
[18:47] <ScottK> RainCT_: I'd say I have a realistic perspective on php.
[18:47] <dreamcat4> I built it with all the php security patches
[19:03] <mok0> Why
[19:03] <mok0> can't I send to channel #ubuntu-classroom?
[19:04] <AntoineLeclair> the channel is muted for the week
[19:04] <AntoineLeclair> you have to talk on #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[19:04] <AntoineLeclair> to avoid the chaos ;)
[19:04] <mok0> AntoineLeclair: ... even if I'm the instructor?
[19:04] <AntoineLeclair> ha, lol!!!
[19:06] <RainCT_> mok0: you're getting answers in -chat
[19:06] <mok0> RainCT_: thx
[19:18] <RainCT_> dyfet: hm, have you tested pocketsphinx? pocketsphinx_wsj runs here but I can't get it to recognize anything
[19:19] <dyfet> RainCT_: are you trying on karmic or jaunty?
[19:19] <RainCT_> dyfet: karmic
[19:19] <dyfet> RainCT_: I recall there are some audio issues in Jaunty/gstreamer/pulse audio...
[19:20] <dyfet> RainCT_: (I meant karmic :)
[19:20] <RainCT_> (julius is working though)
[19:20] <RainCT_> dyfet: well, I'll trust you if you say it works :)
[19:21] <dyfet> RainCT_: I was going to re-test Jaunty, though, just to be sure nothing indeed got broken :).
[19:22] <dyfet> RainCT_: The only other question I saw with the current package is that the source patches are also part of the deb diff, and not handled as separate patches in a debian/patches directory like with dpatch for example...
[19:22] <RainCT_> dyfet: It's only the one change at the top of a source file, right?
[19:24] <RainCT_> ie the declaration for ps_get_prob
[19:24] <dyfet> RainCT_: true, just a header.  If its not an issue for it being promoted, then that is good :)
[19:26] <RainCT_> dyfet: It's okay by me, especially as it will probably only be necessary for this release
[19:27] <RainCT_> dyfet: It needs to be documented in debian/changelog however. I'm about to upload a new revision fixing this and some other stuff (like a missing dependency on python-sphinxbase, missing copyright holder in debian/cpoyright, etc.)
[19:28] <dyfet> RainCT_: that I missed spotting....
[19:34] <RainCT_> dyfet: Wanna fill the FFe? :)
[19:35] <dyfet> RainCT_: Sure...Do I just add a short explanation to the bug in launchpad and subscribe motu-release?
[19:36] <RainCT_> dyfet: Yes, I'd say use the stuff from the mailing list, and include a link to the package on REVU.
[19:36] <dyfet> RainCT_: which stuff from the mailing list? :)
[19:38] <RainCT_> dyfet: You should know, you answered to the thread :P. (Ie. blueprint, gnome-voice-control, no effect on other stuff..).
[19:39] <dyfet> RainCT_: lol!  Yes, I recall that...I just could not find the original message about ffe's in general ;).
[19:40] <dyfet> RainCT_: speaking of which I should also move the lubuntu meta into revu properly and do that for it's ffe....
[19:40] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Can any MOTU check Bug #416262, to see if I need some MOTU release ack?
[19:41] <fabrice_sp> there is no upstream new functionalities since a long time, but I prefer to be sure
[19:42] <fabrice_sp> or should I subscribe MOTU Release, just in case?
[19:42] <RainCT_> fabrice_sp: if those releases are bugfix only that shoudln't be necessary
[19:44] <fabrice_sp> RainCT_, Should I bring some upstream changelog then, to justify that?
[19:45] <RainCT_> fabrice_sp: Yes, that's usually a good thing to do
[19:46] <fabrice_sp> ok. Thanks :-)
[19:50] <dyfet> RainCT_: I will subscribe motu-release to #129758 as soon as you upload your changes...
[19:53] <RainCT_> looks like dput is hanging on the last kb...
[19:58] <RainCT_> dyfet: ok it's up
[21:16] <j^> any chance that http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/oggvideotools gets into ubuntu?
[21:19] <fabrice_sp> j^, you have 3 lintian warnings in the source. Yo ushould fix them
[21:24] <fabrice_sp> commented in REVU. Have to go. Bye
[21:25] <LinuxDruid> whats the best way for me to get involved with Motu?
[21:30] <hyperair> learn how to package, fix bugs, package new things
[21:30] <hyperair> sync/merge stuff from debian
[21:30] <hyperair> oh wait he disappeared =.=
[21:32] <MDC1> i'd need some packaging advice; i've created a patch for nautilus and have a git repo for it as well. It adds a lot of files and therefor Makefile.am and Configure.in is changed BUT nautilus don't use autogen when building the package - whats the best thing to do? create an additional patch that patch the Makefiles and configure files or is there a better solution?
[21:34] <dreamcat4> you can
[21:34] <dreamcat4> submit a contribution to upstream SCM for nautilus
[21:35] <dreamcat4> (after regenerating with new makefiles, confiure file, etc)
[21:36] <MDC1> dreamcat4, well, upstream is aware of the patches but this is WIP and i'd like to provide a PPA for people to test the features
[21:37] <hyperair> MDC1: there are three ways.
[21:37] <mzz> I'm pretty new to this myself, but when facing something similar I just added an additional patch that touched just the generated files (using autoreconf, but running autotools more selectively might be a good idea)
[21:37] <dreamcat4> You can make your own orig.tar.gz
[21:37] <hyperair> MDC1: one is to edit the corresponding snippets in Makefile.in, which is what i do if it isn't too complex
[21:38] <hyperair> MDC1: another is to have a 99_autoreconf.patch which basically runs autoreconf -vfi over it. quite ugly, and makes for a large patch.
[21:38] <hyperair> MDC1: the third, which i use if #1 isn't feasible, is to have my clean rule remove all Makefile.in's
[21:38] <hyperair> and run autoreconf -vfi during build, prior to configure
[21:38] <mzz> MDC1: personally I'm allergic to patching generated files, but perhaps that's just me. Seems a little too easy to accidentally drop changes because some build system decides to regenerate files.
[21:39] <dreamcat4> yeah - if you patched the autogen files, then must touch -r after patching
[21:39] <hyperair> touch -r?
[21:39] <hyperair> don't have to bother, really
[21:39] <hyperair> diff.gz doesn't take note of time
[21:40] <mzz> MDC1: so I just went for the 99_autoreconf.patch approach, which should work reliably. I'm too new to debian patching to comment on which works better in practice, that or regenerating at build time.
[21:40] <MDC1> hmm.. so no obvious thing to do then..
[21:40] <hyperair> it also doesn't take note of deleted files, which is why #3 that i suggested works.
[21:40] <hyperair> MDC1: i suggest that you either patch all the Makefile.in's accordingly, or run autoreconf -vfi at build time and remove your Makefile.in's at clean time
[21:40] <mzz> yay, disagreement
[21:41] <hyperair> the autoreconf method works well
[21:41] <hyperair> i just don't like it because it makes for a large patch
[21:41] <mzz> it does make for a large patch, but when is that really a problem? Someone who actually wants to look at it should be able to notice that this particular patch inside the patch is ignorable.
[21:41] <hyperair> not just large, but humongous
[21:42] <hyperair> i don't like big patches, for whatever reason
[21:42] <mzz> but sure, they'll easily make up 90% or so of your total diff
[21:42] <MDC1> hyperair, thanks a lot the tips, i think i'll go with patching the .in files, seems the easist to do as it's just for ppa
[21:42] <mzz> same's true when diffing upstream release tarballs :)
[21:42] <mzz> MDC1: if you go that route do doublecheck the patch actually takes (if whatever it does doesn't result in a build failure if it's not applied)
[21:42] <hyperair> MDC1: it can get tedious, and if you've made enough changes, you may miss out something.
[21:43] <hyperair> mzz: who asked you to diff your upstream release tarballs?
[21:43] <dreamcat4> Yeah, just don't forget that patching some files and not others in the autoconf dependancy chain will cause make issues
[21:43] <mzz> hyperair: me!
[21:43] <hyperair> mzz: too bad for you the.
[21:43] <hyperair> then*
[21:43] <hyperair> such huge diffs are crazy to review
[21:43] <mzz> hyperair: I tend to at least diff configure.ac to see if there are any new switches I should be aware of. Also check for any new documentation or the like I should make sure gets installed.
[21:43] <MDC1> hyperair, trial and error then ;-)
[21:43] <mzz> hyperair: I don't actually review the diffs, but the diffstat can be interesting.
[21:44] <hyperair> yes, it is interesting. but we're going off topic already.
[21:44] <hyperair> i'm complaining that it makes for an enormous diff that stays within the tree
[21:44] <mzz> sorry! I shall wander off again
[21:44] <MDC1> as karmic is feature freeze - there's no way a toolbar editor for nautilus could make it - right?
[21:45] <hyperair> especially if you keep packaging work within a VCS of some sort, it's annoying to refresh the patch every time you make a build change, considering the patch only contains auto-generated changes.
[21:45] <hyperair> MDC1: toolbar editor.. probably not.
[21:46] <hyperair> not unless you can provide a good enough reason in an FFe
[21:46] <mzz> I haven't figured out a nice workflow for that yet (branch upstream's source and add the debian/ dir or version-control just the debian/ dir separately?) I guess I should've attended the -class session on this earlier :(
[21:47] <MDC1> hyperair, ok, well - first i need people testing the patches and reviewing the code...
[21:48] <hyperair> mzz: read up git-buildpackage's docs
[21:49] <mzz> this sounds like it would involve me learning git
[21:49] <hyperair> each VCS-buildpackage tool has its own workflow(s)
[21:49] <hyperair> well if you don't like git then use bzr builddeb or something
[21:49] <hyperair> or svn buildpackage
[21:49] <mzz> bzr builddeb sounds promising. Thanks for the pointer :)
[21:49] <hyperair> =)
[21:50] <mzz> (I figured I must be missing something when debuild went and tried to stuff my .bzr dir in the .diff.gz)
[21:50] <hyperair> i rather like git buildpackage because of pristine-tar deltas
[21:50] <hyperair> heh
[21:50] <hyperair> debuild -i.bzr
[21:50] <mzz> yeah, I found that, but it still felt like I must be missing something.
[21:50] <mzz> also, weird upstream dist tarballs are annoying.
[21:50] <hyperair> heh of course
[21:51] <hyperair> it's the packager's job to either work around it, or convince upstream to fix it
[21:51] <hyperair> the latter is a better option
[21:51] <mzz> yep (if upstream's using autotools or some other well-tested system their dist tarballs should end up mostly sane)
[21:52] <hyperair> heh not always
[21:52] <hyperair> if they use make dist, usually it's sane
[21:52] <hyperair> but some of them insist on using tar -c(z|j)f
[21:52] <mzz> if they use make distcheck chances of sanity improve further
[21:52] <hyperair> there was bansheelyricsplugin which had a tarball created using that method sometime back
[21:52] <hyperair> had all kinds of cruft
[21:52] <hyperair> like .svn, and Makefile files with plenty of hardcoded paths
[21:52] <hyperair> and missing Makefile.in's
[21:53] <hyperair> it had me pulling my hair out
[21:53] <mzz> this thing had a bunch of .DS_store (or something similar) files in it that iiuc were an artifact of the archiving tool used
[21:53] <mzz> they obviously weren't in their version control system, which interfered a bit with what I was trying to do
[21:53] <hyperair> artifact of it sticking around on a mac system.
[21:53] <hyperair> .DS_store is for mac metadata iirc
[21:53] <hyperair> either trash or something
[21:54] <mzz> also a patches/ dir that greatly confused me until I noticed it wasn't in their version control either, so I'm assuming they're patches whoever rolled the release had stashed away there for some reason
[21:54] <hyperair> you can leave a patches/ dir around
[21:54] <hyperair> don't clean up unnecessary cruft
[21:55] <mzz> well, I was trying to do something screwy where I was using a source control branch with the debian/ dir added in to do my packaging, while using the upstream release tarball as .orig.tar.gz, and iirc debuild complained it couldn't represent the file "deletions" that were occurring
[21:56] <mzz> which really just indicates my workflow's broken and I shouldn't mix a source control checkout and original tarball like that
[21:58] <mzz> still, I'm making progress! May even end up contributing to MOTU instead of just doing silly ppa things at some point :)
[22:23] <hyperair> mzz: it's a start. don't need to learn how to use VCSes to contribute, but when you get deeper, you will ahve to know.
[22:25] <hyperair> also file deletions are fine imo. it's the reason why i suggested the clean rule purging all Makefile.ins in the first place
[22:48] <neversfelde> bug 221531 needs a SRU
[22:49] <neversfelde> to whom can I talk to speed the process up a bit?
[23:55] <HiGuys> Hi Everyone :). I have a problem. debuild -S -sa returns the error:  debuild: fatal error at line 1329:
[23:55] <HiGuys> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -us -uc -S -sa failed
[23:57] <dtchen> HiGuys: could you provide more context, e.g., pastebin the entire command (including PWD) and stdout/stderr?