[02:00] <bblinky> Is this a decent place to ask questions about the 20.04 WSL2 image?
[02:02] <rbox> if you have an ubuntu question... you could i dunno... just ask here
[02:02] <KKate>  bblinky take it to #ubuntu
[02:03] <bblinky> lol, thanks... Just wanted to make sure, because sometimes people get a bit rude when it's a WSL question...
[02:04] <KKate> no lols allowed here, thanks
[02:05] <bblinky> Anyways... I would like to use weechat but for some reason it's not working on the ubuntu images, it's working on the unofficial arch image tho... The error I get is: "irc: reading data on socket: error 104 Connection reset by peer"
[02:05] <bblinky> KKate: kek's?
[03:21] <Sam134943> Hi there, I have an MSI Geforce 4060 Ti, i tried running ubuntu live from a usb and it loads but is all strange.... does ubuntu not support that card?
[03:22] <rbox> what do you mean all strange
[03:22] <Sam134943> glitchy and part of the screen is missing bottom right corner
[03:22] <Sam134943> like a driver issue?
[03:24] <rbox> you might need to install the nvidia driver
[03:37] <P1ro> Hi, in Ubuntu 22.04.3 im trying to set max open files, so far i have add it to: /etc/security/limits.conf, add session required to /etc/pam.d/common-session also fs.file-max = 2097152 to /etc/sysctl.conf, DefaultLimitNOFILE=65536 to /etc/systemd/system.conf and /etc/systemd/user.conf , but atfer restart ulimit -a shows default 1024, what else i can check ?
[04:38] <jmw> what's the equivalent to running dhclient to force-renew SLAAC IPv6 addresses?
[04:40] <rbox> enew?
[04:40] <rbox> renew*
[04:40] <jmw> yeah, how do I renew the SLAAC address and force the router advertisement stuff?
[04:41] <rbox> whats to renew
[04:43] <jmw> I flushed the old address with "ip -6 addr flush eth0" and want to get new autoconf addresses
[04:43] <rbox> you could link down adn link up
[04:44] <jmw> if I kill the link I'll lose the ssh connection to the host...
[04:46] <rbox> i dont think yo ucan force the router to do anythig
[04:46] <rbox> it just does its thing
[06:04] <Haris_> I have node v16.17.1, npm v8.15.0. I'm getting this error --> https://dpaste.com/7ASHD2JBX . this is on ubuntu focal (20.04 LTS)
[06:04] <Haris_> is this something OS related?
[08:05] <ransho1> https://dpaste.com/9C4W52SB9.txt
[08:05] <ransho1> pls help :(
[08:26] <edwin_> hi
[08:27] <edwin_> f4f4
[08:34] <dani_> español?
[08:35] <dani_> español?
[08:36] <guiverc> dani_, #ubuntu-es uses spanish (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList)
[08:36] <dani_> thanks
[08:39] <ransho1> pls, someone see my dpaste above?
[08:59] <enoq> looking at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMqAo_As1D0 this seems more like an issue with collaboration
[09:00] <enoq> canonical should probably get in touch with valve to improve it
[11:28] <pombreda> https://packages.ubuntu.com main page looks like it is down?
[12:00] <ueberall> Hi. Am I reading the man page wrong? Why is " apt-cache policy --no-all-versions debhelper " not working as advertised? (It does not matter where you try to position said option on the command line.)
[12:03] <ransho1> https://dpaste.com/9C4W52SB9.txt
[12:03] <ransho1> pls help :(
[12:46] <Haris_> do I need to adapt apparmor config for allowing npm to acces /tmp?
[12:47] <Haris_> much like selinux on centos
[12:48] <tupni> can't you just define a custom temp folder you've got rw access to, for it?
[12:48] <Haris_> I'm not sure which npm uses or where to configure it
[12:48] <Haris_> ..which folder+ npm uses..
[12:51] <tupni> Haris_: you're supposed to be able to specify a tmp folder : https://docs.npmjs.com/cli/v10/configuring-npm/folders/
[12:51] <tupni> Haris_: https://docs.npmjs.com/cli/v10/using-npm/config/#tmp
[12:52] <Haris_> when running npm as root, the only reason I can think of why it wouldn't be able to access /tmp .. is .. apparmor or selinux
[12:53] <tupni> or it notices it's executed by root and auto-constrains itself perhaps
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:57] <leftyfb> Haris_: it sounds like you're just assuming apparmor is the cause of your issue?
[14:01] <tuxinator> Hi
[14:02] <tuxinator> So what is the "proper" standard way of adding search domains in to ubuntu 22.04 ? nmcli? netplan? resolveconf? There seems to be no clear docs on that
[14:02] <leftyfb> tuxinator: server or desktop?
[14:03] <tuxinator> leftyfb: Desktop
[14:04] <leftyfb> tuxinator: nm-connection-manager would be my go-to
[14:04] <leftyfb> tuxinator: actually, I would do this on my DHCP server (router)
[14:04] <tuxinator> on the cli
[14:04] <leftyfb> why?
[14:05] <tuxinator> i want to deploy it
[14:05] <tuxinator> multiple search domains seem to be unsupported by our dhcp
[14:05] <leftyfb> https://www.putorius.net/update-search-domains-on-red-hat-7.html#:~:text=Adding%20Search%20Domains%20via%20Command%20Line%20Using%20NMCLI
[14:06] <tuxinator> leftyfb: thats for redhat 7 and Ubuntu seems to use netplan isn't it
[14:07] <leftyfb> tuxinator: Ubuntu desktop uses Network Manager to manage network setting/profiles. It doesn't matter the distro, nmcli is the same
[14:11] <tuxinator> leftyfb: not fully true
[14:11] <tuxinator> https://ubuntu.com/blog/netplan-configuration-across-desktop-server-cloud-and-iot#:~:text=Netplan%20is%20the%20default%20tool,hand%20over%20control%20to%20NetworkManager.
[14:12] <tuxinator> beginning with 23.10 it changes
[14:13] <leftyfb> tuxinator: first, that's for 23.10 which you aren't running. 2nd, that only entails the files where the configurations get saved to. Network Manager and nmcli are still used to configure your network profiles from the GUI and command line.
[14:14] <leftyfb> yes, netplan is the backend. But NM is still the front-end
[14:47] <wwacko> if i give yall nerds a ip address can yu hack it?
[14:48] <tupni> wwacko: we don't do that stuff in here.
[14:49] <tupni> you gave us yours when you joined the channel, by the way.
[14:50] <wwacko> is that a threat
[14:50] <tupni> of course not
[14:51] <tupni> this channel is for Ubuntu support, wwacko.
[14:53] <leftyfb> wwacko: take it elsewhere
[16:42] <Mrpanda> hi everyone. my firefox was zapped and now wont start, tries then stops. is ther any way I can fix this ?
[16:46] <leftyfb> mrpond: what release of ubuntu? Define "zapped". How do you have Firefox installed?
[16:46] <leftyfb> :/    or not
[16:57] <tupni> sad ponda, leftyfb
[16:57] <tupni> some just want to do a burnout before they exit abruptly, sometimes
[16:58] <tupni> you tried to help
[17:38] <denisbr> Hi, Can I define init level for leve 3 ? without graphic ?
[17:39] <leftyfb> denisbr: without mentioning "init levels", what is exactly you're trying to accomplish?
[17:41] <rfm> denisbr, ubuntu doesn't really use init levels since it's systemd.  If you want to boot into console (non graphic) use "systemctl set-default multi-user.target"
[17:44] <denisbr> I need to boot on machine without graphic for some tests and sandbox play :-)
[17:45] <leftyfb> denisbr: ok, then follow rfm's instructions
[17:45] <denisbr> leftyfb: ok ... rfm thanks a lot
[19:03] <Toasty> I'm trying to get my head round how snaps impact my backups. The ~/snap folder seems to mix configuration data, program data and user data and some of the data seems to be duplicated repeatedly in numbered folders. Is there a good guide on what I need to back up that someone could please point me to?
[19:04] <leftyfb> Toasty: it's likely not duplicated but linked with symlinks across the different releases of the app
[19:05] <Toasty> leftyfb: I worry that if I do my backup incorrectly that I will end up backing up the duplicates.
[19:05] <leftyfb> Toasty: typically the confs are saved in ~/snap/<app name>/common
[19:05] <leftyfb> but I've seen sometimes where it's saved in ~/snap/<app name>/current/path/to/conf
[19:05] <Toasty> That's going to make for some intresting multilevel wildcards.
[19:06] <Toasty> Yuck! Why couldn't it separate program files and config?
[19:06] <Toasty> (To a different top level tree)
[19:06] <leftyfb> Toasty: I would look through the individual snaps and see if there's any you cae about that aren't saved in common. If not, then you only need to worry about backing up the common directories
[19:07] <Toasty> That would work, but it doesn't scale for any future snaps I install.
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> Toasty: Snaps run differently from other applications. By default, they're only given access to their folders inside the ~/snap folder. A user has to grant permission for a snap deployed application to see the rest of the file system.
[19:08] <Toasty> The user data seems to be duplicated. I guess I should only back up the stuff under current, but that's going to be a nasty rule to write.
[19:08] <leftyfb> stick with common unless you notice config data being written to current
[19:08] <Toasty> pragmaticenigma: I can understand that, but I can't see why everything is mixed up in such a messy way.
[19:08] <leftyfb> and if the latter, maybe file a bug
[19:09] <pragmaticenigma> Toasty: "current" points to one of the revision folders. It's a sym link
[19:09] <Toasty> The revision folders are not symlinks though and hold duplicate data.
[19:09] <pragmaticenigma> that's so you can roll back an update
[19:10] <Toasty> There's user data there too though. I would normally want to roll back the app, not the work I've done in it.
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> If you start with revision 1, then revision 2 comes along and breaks something. You only have to change the symlink current to point to revision 1
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> Toasty: If there is user data in those folders, you should file a bug with the developer or maintainer of that snap. Snaps are supposed to only store user data in the common folder
[19:10] <Toasty> I'm looking at OBS.
[19:11] <leftyfb> Slack is one of the offenders
[19:12] <Toasty> Thing is, if it's not reliable, I'll have to re-do my backup scripts for every new app.
[19:13] <pragmaticenigma> Toasty: are you sure the data you're finding is user data? and not just auto config stuff that OBS generates on each load?
[19:13] <Toasty> These are large .mkv files.
[19:13] <Toasty> I'm sure snap could have separated out program data, config and user data at the top level with sub folders holding the versions as now. That would have enforced separation. I wonder why it wasn't done that way?
[19:15] <pragmaticenigma> Toasty: If it was me, I would only back up what's in `common` and `current` (being that current points to the currently active revision.)
[19:17] <Toasty> Thanks.
[19:18] <Toasty> I'm now wondering how many of my files are squirrelled away in odd directories.
[19:19] <Toasty> That and if it's really duplicating file, or if they are some sort of link that's not immediately obvious in a directory listing.
[19:19] <cleric> Is there something wrong with linux-hwe-6.5-headers-6.5.0-15? It's not listed on packages.ubuntu.com but I pulled that down earlier and dpkg failed to unpack it (just hung forever) causing quite an annoyance as I rolled back to -14. Just curious if anyone else has seen that
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> most of what I suspect you are seeing is cache files from active sessions that aren't nicely being cleaned up
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> Toasty: most of what I suspect you are seeing is cache files from active sessions that aren't nicely being cleaned up
[19:20] <leftyfb> not with Slack
[19:20] <Toasty> I'm not running OBS now and haven't for months.
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> doesn't mean the program is a good stewards and cleans up everything on exit
[19:22] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Gfd6W24DXx/
[19:22] <leftyfb> the ~/snap/slack/common/.config is just cache. The actual configs are in common
[19:23] <Toasty> apt enforced separation of program data and everything else. Snap should also.
[19:24] <pragmaticenigma> Toasty: I'm not aware of apt having that feature... apt just installs and removes packages. The "proper" placement of things is completely up to the developer. Gaining admitance to a well known package repository might be the enforcement you're thinking of
[19:25] <Toasty> Apt installs the program files outside the user directory.
[19:26] <Toasty> I've found a game that's copying the game assets every time it's updates. Luckly they are only 350MB, but that's just daft.
[19:26] <Toasty> s/it's/it
[19:26] <pragmaticenigma> apt manages nothing. the packager decides where things goes
[19:27] <Toasty> Perhaps I've got the terminology wrong, but I don't see any packages that I've installed though apt or similar having the install files mixed up with the user data or config files.
[19:28] <pragmaticenigma> Toasty: MythTV would be one that does
[19:28] <Toasty> Except when they were installed as snaps.
[19:29] <Toasty> I've got a MythTV install somewhere. What stuff does it mix?
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> It's really not important at the moment. The point is apt has nothing to do with where things are put. The developer/maintainer of the package makes those decisions. If it is Canonical supplied, their devs take the time to make sure the applications files are in the right place and the application works
[19:32] <Toasty> So you're saying that when I use ubuntu packages that are not snaps, everything o23
[19:32] <Toasty> works?
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> That'd be impressive and there wouldn't be a need for launchpad for tracking bugs
[19:33] <arraybolt3> It's *intended to* work, how about that? :)
[19:33] <Toasty> :)
[19:35] <Toasty> Well, I didn't have this problem before. I'm just going though the being rather miffed at design decisions that don't make sense to me, because now I've got more work to do and if I get the details wrong I have a broken backup. I'll get over it.
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> Toasty: If I'm trying to imply anything... is the quiet part of my opinion on snaps. That I personally do not like them, nor the direction they are going.
[19:39] <pragmaticenigma> Given a moment, Toasty ... I have a prime example of what I was talking about earlier with mythtv... but it's not myth... it's snaps. The fact that in a user's root folder is ~/snap when really, it should probably be located in ~/.local and/or ~/.config as appropriate for the need.
[19:39] <Toasty> That would be very useful.
[19:40] <Toasty> Perhaps with another non-hidden /snap/userdata/appname tree.
[19:43] <Toasty> I think I should be able to make an RSYNC reg expression for the excludes list that ignores snap directories  at the appropriate level which are made only of numbers.
[19:43] <Toasty> That way I should avoid lots of duplicates. I can then exclude any .cache directories.
[19:45] <Toasty> I still can't see a clean way of getting the user data without also getting the program files.
[19:45] <Toasty> Not without app specific code.
[19:47] <pragmaticenigma> are those program file plugins?
[19:47] <pragmaticenigma> I'm assuming you're saying that you're finding executable binary code or something
[19:48] <leftyfb> Toasty: I have 19 snaps installed and the common dir of all of them together is under 2GB
[19:49] <leftyfb> sorry, current
[19:49] <leftyfb> my common is out of control due to my personal settings and files
[19:50] <Toasty> Current does seem to mix user generated files and program data.
[19:51] <Toasty> Not without app specific code.
[19:51] <Toasty> Sorry, ignore that last post.
[19:52] <Toasty> My snap area is only 2.3GB, so it's a manageable problem for now, but more and more apps are becoming snaps. It will become more of an issue with time.
[19:53] <pragmaticenigma> I kind of feel that it's safe to make that be a future you problem instead of a today one
[19:54] <pragmaticenigma> If these were in flatpak world, I'm not sure we'd have this conversation, as I'm not sure how deep you'd would go looking for it's userspace files
[19:59] <pragmaticenigma> I should finish that thought... as I have a feeling things can be just as messy there too
[20:19] <tokam> Hi, is someone active here? I am having an issue to update zoom.
[20:19] <tokam> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BYFTTnTTHz/
[20:19] <tokam> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8Rnq6Gq3s6/
[20:21] <tokam> I think in the paste I once crashed my system. Usually on Ubuntu systems some package (what is it's name?) manages the creation of symlinks of libs so that they are in /lib/ and in /usr/lib and for some reason I had a lot of non-symlink libs which required some manual fixing. I guess the error I am facing now might be a left over from this trouble?
[20:21] <tokam> Can someone please show me the output of: ls -al /lib/i386-linux-gnu/ld-linux.so.2
[20:21] <leftyfb> tokam: what release of ubuntu is this?
[20:22] <tokam> Release:	22.04
[20:22] <jsmooth> I have installed Docker, but I"m not sure how to run it. I'm trying to use Laravel Sail which is a front-end to Docker.
[20:23] <leftyfb> tokam: remove the zoom package completely and install the snap package
[20:23] <leftyfb> jsmooth: I would suggest asking in #docker or reading some docker tutorials
[20:23] <tokam> Ok I will do it. Anyways, is there a command to show prevailing errors in apt and dpkg?
[20:24] <leftyfb> tokam: prevailing errors?
[20:24] <tokam> I mean version conflicts and errors that I have in my system
[20:24] <leftyfb> tokam: you get those errors when trying to install or update packages
[20:24] <tokam> for example I get an error displayed each for each apt operation regaring php8.1-cli
[20:25] <leftyfb> tokam: you don't go about manually messing with links. Remove the offending package completely and if it's a 3rd party application, you reach out to the vendor for support with it
[20:25] <tokam> I had some severe bug, in the past that left the system in state were a complete newinstall was justified and I had to manually fix things
[20:26] <leftyfb> tokam: we only try to troubleshoot existing issues here. Not ones you had in the past
[20:26] <leftyfb> tokam: remove zoom completely, see where your packages state lands from there
[20:27] <tokam> the snap tries to install now
[20:27] <tokam> think it will work
[20:27] <tokam> Could I see the output of: ls -al /lib/i386-linux-gnu/ld-linux.so.2 on a non broken system? And what is the package that handles symlinks for libs?
[20:28] <leftyfb> tokam: if you are messing with that file and it's out of place, you are doing very very bad things and unless you know what you are doing, re-install
[20:28] <leftyfb> it should not be a link
[20:29] <tokam> well for me it is not a link... so as I have zoom installed now we just ignore that for now I guess
[20:30] <leftyfb> ignore what?
[20:30] <tokam> symlink related errors from this pastebin https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BYFTTnTTHz/
[20:30] <leftyfb> are you still getting those errors and if so, after running what command?
[20:31] <tokam> they occured after trying to install the downloaded zoom package from their website
[20:31] <leftyfb> tokam: are you still getting errors when you try to install an application using apt?
[20:32] <tokam> yes one second, I will create a pastebin
[20:32] <tokam> what is a correct locale for LANG? en_US and en did not work well
[20:33] <tokam> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qcdf525j8P/
[20:33] <tokam> those are my errors
[20:34] <leftyfb> tokam: apt-cache policy php-cgi php8.1 libxcb-cursor0 | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:35] <tokam> https://termbin.com/lhdu
[20:39] <leftyfb> tokam: try:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure php8.1-cli
[20:39] <tokam> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: php8.1-cli ist kaputt oder nicht komplett installiert
[20:40] <tokam> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: php8.1-cli is broken or not fully installed
[20:40] <leftyfb> maybe try removing and reinstalling it
[20:43] <tokam> well it means I uninstall many more packages
[20:43] <tokam> reinstalling the package is not enough?
[20:43] <leftyfb> you can try
[20:44] <tokam> I would lose: composer, jsonlint, php-apcu, php-cgi, php-gettext, php-json-schema, php-pear, php-php-gettext, php-xdebug and many more
[20:44] <tokam> E: Internal Error, No file name for php8.1-cgi:amd64
[20:44] <leftyfb> then just reinstall them
[20:45] <tokam> Can I get a list of what is removed along the way?
[20:45] <leftyfb> it will tell you
[20:45] <leftyfb> just like it already did
[20:46] <tokam> composer jsonlint php-apcu php-cgi php-cli php-gettext php-json-schema php-pear php-php-gettext php-xdebug php8.1-apcu php8.1-cgi php8.1-cli php8.1-phpdbg php8.1-xdebug phpliteadmin
[20:48] <tokam> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6hNBKXYHc6/
[20:48] <tokam> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:49] <tokam> same issue as before /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: php8.1-cli is broken or not fully installed
[20:49] <leftyfb> you have a big mess
[20:49] <tokam> do I?
[20:50] <tokam> I don't want to delete the 5.6 yet, I might have very old code that is not comptible with others
[20:50] <tokam> I uninstalled libapache2-mod-php temporarily to fix the issues
[20:51] <leftyfb> tokam: 5.6?
[20:51] <tokam> veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery old code :D
[20:51] <leftyfb> 5.6 of what package?
[20:52] <leftyfb> I would stick all this ancient, insecure and unsupported php development into an LXD container and not muck up your main workstation with it
[20:53] <leftyfb> or continue with your mess any not have the ability to update or install any new packages
[21:09] <tokam> leftyfb: so my old php version is the root of the problems?
[21:10] <leftyfb> tokam: that's where I'm leaning
[21:10] <leftyfb> can't help further, sorry. Got meetings for the rest of the evening
[21:14] <pragmaticenigma> tokam: typically mode code should port to the new version with small adjustments. If you follow the migration documentation for PHP and don't see anything mentioned under deprecated features from 5.6 on up to the latest, that would apply to your code, you should have little difficulty in using the latest PHP version with your code.
[21:14] <pragmaticenigma> https://www.php.net/manual/en/appendices.php
[21:14] <pragmaticenigma> tokam: oh, add "backward incompatible changes" to also check on that page for each version
[21:21] <shoreditch-samur> hi, does anyone else have the problem where the laptop is always on Power Saver mode and can't switch to a different mode from the GNOME panel? I'm on Ubuntu 23.10
[21:25] <pragmaticenigma> shoreditch-samur: a search result found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1448538/why-is-power-settings-not-working-in-ubuntu-22-04-why-dont-i-have-performance
[21:25] <pragmaticenigma> so yes, someone else has it
[21:25] <pragmaticenigma> or something similar to your problem
[21:27] <shoreditch-samur> thanks. I've seen this before but it doesn't have an actual solution. For me, even the powerprofilesctl doesn't switch the modes
[21:30] <pragmaticenigma> you could try changing from the command line using `powerprofilectl`
[21:31] <pragmaticenigma> it might provide more answers as to what prevents a change
[21:34] <shoreditch-samur> yes, doesn't do much - https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/a63f6899e847
[21:35] <pragmaticenigma> more than likely because they both use the same conduit to sending the signa
[21:35] <pragmaticenigma> *signal
[21:37] <pragmaticenigma> shoreditch-samur: the only things that come to mind is to check if there is a setting in BIOS/UEFI settings that prevents the OS from making changes to power profiles. Or start monitoring logs when you toggle the switch to see if dmesg or syslogs emit any help error messages. Everything that I was able to search for points to same question, no one attempting to troubleshoot or post logs.
[21:39] <shoreditch-samur> alright thanks
[22:05] <JanC> shoreditch-samur: did you check temperatures also?


[07:00] <lfaraone> tumbleweed: thanks again for SRUing bug 988395
[17:52] <FlowRiser> hey guys, i have a question regarding sharing my own little project
[17:52] <FlowRiser> So i want to upload my source code to launchpad
[17:53] <FlowRiser> But i don't know how to arrange my source code files, my data, or anything like that ... I barely learned how to package ...
[17:53] <FlowRiser> So, can anyone give me some tips, some documentation ?
[18:41] <MCR1> FlowRiser: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/getting-set-up.html
[18:44] <FlowRiser> MCR1,  i read that, and i've got the package set up ... but it doesn't look like the ones already there (like the ones you use ./configure, make, make install)
[18:45] <FlowRiser> for example lp:kdetoys
[18:47] <MCR1> FlowRiser: Maybe this helps you then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_build_system
[18:48] <MCR1> FlowRiser: If you just want to upload your sourcecode, you need to learn about basic bzr commands
[18:49] <MCR1> with bzr push you then can push your source to launchpad
[18:49] <FlowRiser> MCR1, I know them
[18:49] <MCR1> ok, good
[18:49] <FlowRiser> MCR1, I'm just confused, as it's my first time doing this
[18:50] <FlowRiser> MCR1, also, my package has a problem
[18:50] <FlowRiser> couldn't find anywhere how to fix it
[18:50] <FlowRiser> it installs the executable in the /opt/bin/ folder
[18:50] <FlowRiser> i want it to install in the /usr/sbin/
[18:51] <FlowRiser> using the : http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/getting-set-up.html method
[18:52] <FlowRiser> what do i put into the debian metadata folder to do that ?
[18:52] <MCR1> I am sorry, I do not know much about packaging and installation...
[18:52] <FlowRiser> MCR1, already tried #ubuntu-packaging
[18:52] <FlowRiser> it's like a ghost town there
[18:53] <MCR1> you could try #ubuntu-motu
[18:53] <FlowRiser> ...
[18:53] <MCR1> but currently all Ubuntu channels are running quiet xmas style
[18:53] <FlowRiser> MCR1, you do know your on #ubuntu-motu
[18:54] <MCR1> oh, ups - hehe
[18:54] <FlowRiser> MCR1, i know, but it's my winter break and the only time i have to work on my projects
[18:54] <FlowRiser> with school and everything
[18:58] <FlowRiser> !packaging
[18:59] <FlowRiser> !cmake
[19:05] <MCR1> FlowRiser: http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/cmake_tutorial.html
[19:05] <FlowRiser> MCR1, thanks man :D I was actually looking at that right now
[19:06] <MCR1> hehe


[01:37] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: IRT HappyHippie chromium ...' pepperflashplugin-nonfree ' ?
[01:37] <nicomachus> yea that's an option as well, but haven't been able to get anything more than ?? out of him/her so far.
[01:38] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: My 1st reaction the the 'why?' was mot to waste a lot of time .
[01:39] <nicomachus> heh, I was 50/50 on whether to clarify or not.
[01:40] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: We ... in for a penny - in for a pound .. I will see how it plays out .
[01:45] <nicomachus> There's a PPA for precise
[01:46] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Houston, we may have a problem :)
[01:56]  * nicomachus sighs...
[01:56] <nicomachus> directed him to a pastebin, instead he pastes it into a PM to me...
[01:56] <nicomachus> then leaves.
[01:57] <Bashing-om> Oh well .. lead them to water ......
[02:24] <nicomachus> I'm done with that one. holy cow.
[02:26] <Bashing-om> some peeps .. do not even know HOW to learn .
[05:30] <BluesKaj> evening folks
[10:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:28] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> hey hey EriC^^
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> how are you mate
[13:29] <EriC^^> good thanks, you?
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> great
[13:30] <EriC^^> how's the driving going?
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: a lil better tnx, releasing slower right now
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> but still i like the newer car better :p
[13:32] <EriC^^> great
[13:34] <EriC^^> what about the shop? how's it coming together?
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: still waiting to buy a house first
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> cant start before we bought one, beacause of the taxes i can refund
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: but im surely gonna start the shop :p
[13:36] <EriC^^> oh ok
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: there was a guy few days ago, who bought a barebone in #ubuntu
[13:36] <EriC^^> how's xenial doing?
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> tired of windows...
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: pretty stable on desktop actually
[13:37] <EriC^^> cool
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: im also testing unity8 on it, but looks still the same
[13:37] <EriC^^> oh
[13:39] <EriC^^> did you try compiz on it? any new settings?
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: compiz is running default on unity7 right
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> and yes i have wobbly windows on xenial
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> works pretty nice
[13:40] <EriC^^> yeah, no i mean the ccsm
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> yep got it
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> but im not sure of compiz's future EriC^^
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> as unity8 and mir are comming...
[13:41] <EriC^^> oh
[13:42] <EriC^^> also snappy
[13:42] <EriC^^> lots of changes coming up
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> snappy i didnt test yet :p


[03:08] <Rah8r> hi. does anyone know if its possible to run linux and android in dual boot mode if the "full" encryption/android is active?
[03:24] <nhaines> Rah8r: I know that it's not possible.
[03:25] <Rah8r> uhh too bad, thx
[03:26] <Rah8r> i have an nexus tablet with usb host functionality, might this be an option?
[03:27] <Rah8r>  to leave the encrypted android installtion untouched
[03:41] <JohnBoyZear> evening everyone... wondering which channel to use for the "tablet" version for a flo device (nexus 7 2013).  Any idea?
[03:42] <JohnBoyZear> channel devel only gets me the phone version, which works fantastic, but I'm after the tablet interface
[05:26] <acigos> hi
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/ubuntu nice tweet for you devs :p
[05:56] <uhhimhere> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG9sIt8hAF4&feature=youtu.be
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> uhhimhere: sailfishOs is android based?
[06:01] <Stskeeps> no, glibc-based, uses android drivers in comparable fashion like ubuntu does it (some minor technical differences)
[06:01] <uhhimhere> lotuspsychje, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS
[06:01] <uhhimhere> Sailfish is a mobile operating system (OS) combining the Linux kernel, the Mer core and proprietary software written by mobile software developer Jolla.
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:01] <Stskeeps> probably a bit off topic here though
[06:02] <uhhimhere> lotuspsychje, Sailfish OS can be used on any hardware with a Linux kernel supported by the Mer core distribution
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> its a good thing to know whats going on in the world :p
[06:02] <uhhimhere> yup
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> uhhimhere: i read an article about ubuntu snappy on raspberry
[08:27] <uhhimhere> cant really find an in depth review of the ubuntu e4.5
[08:27] <uhhimhere> why is that
[09:16] <Rubesman> are there ready to use packages of ubuntu sdk scopescreator and so on for not debian based distros?
[10:46] <rootcube315> hello
[10:53] <rootcube315>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER rootcube315 orycwnktjkzy
[10:54] <rootcube315> aw damn sorry wrong send, fingers are toofast
[10:54] <ogra_> time for a new password :)
[10:54] <rootcube315> yeah
[10:56] <NymeriaFR> Hi guys
[10:56] <NymeriaFR> I have a little question for you
[10:56] <rootcube315> check
[10:56] <NymeriaFR> If I use docker in my application
[10:57] <NymeriaFR> is docker will install dependence each time I start an application or only once ?
[10:57] <ogra_> you want to use docker on your phone ?
[10:57] <rootcube315> how much space does ubuntu touch needs so i can put in my alcatel one touch
[10:58] <ogra_> rootcube315, you will have to port it ... it should get along with ~2G
[10:58] <ogra_> (but it will likely not get along with the other specs on the alcatel one ...)
[10:59] <rootcube315> ogra_, i'd like to try if this is working
[10:59] <NymeriaFR> ogra_, yes I want use it
[10:59] <ogra_> it will likely be as choppy as firefoxOS is on it
[11:00] <rootcube315> ogra_, i'd rather not
[11:00] <NymeriaFR> I want use torrent in my application, I have watch "downow" source code
[11:00] <NymeriaFR> and it use docker for install libtorrent
[11:00] <edakiri> uhhimhere: what is the best review you found so far?
[11:00] <rootcube315> maybe i'll wait a little longer on meizu to ship it here in my place
[11:01] <ogra_> NymeriaFR, then you need to ship docker inside yur click package
[11:02] <ogra_> and configure it in a way that it can work under the confinement constraints a click package has
[11:02] <NymeriaFR> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~nogzatalz/downow/trunk/files/head:/docker/
[11:03] <NymeriaFR> If this application is installed and I use the same docker file
[11:03] <NymeriaFR> is the libtorrent will be shared between applications ?
[11:04]  * ogra_ has not much clue about docker
[11:04] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement is something yu might want to read though
[11:14] <edakiri> How do you run Ubuntu Touch on a PC for testing, exploration, & development?
[11:14] <edakiri> I would have Linux as the host OS.
[11:15] <rootcube315> i think you need an emulator
[11:17] <rootcube315> genymotion?
[11:17] <ogra_> you use the ubuntu-emulator :)
[11:17] <NymeriaFR> In QtCreate
[11:17] <NymeriaFR> When you install ubuntu-sdk ppa
[11:17] <ogra_> http://davidplanella.org/ubuntu-emulator-quickstart-guide/
[11:18] <rootcube315> ah ogra_ is right ubuntu-emulation
[11:18] <NymeriaFR> you have qtCreate who take care about that
[13:02] <mariogrip_> Where can i find the /ubuntu-root/script/touch file on the device?
[14:35] <jeepingben> I see that there is a deprecated porting guide and a pending porting guide.  Is the information in the deprecated guide now incorrect?
[14:35] <jeepingben> There is a blizzard where I am today and porting to find7a might be a good indoor project.
[14:36] <jeepingben> I have a working cyanogenmod build environment which sounds like it is a major part of porting.
[15:15] <pngo_> is there a way to mount usb stick?
[15:23] <ogra_> on your phone ?
[15:43] <SturmFlut> popey: Have you already tried https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/app/kirino.hyuchia ? Looks like we're getting our own Siri/Cortana already ;)
[15:45] <popey> i haven't
[15:46] <popey> saw it hit the store but didnt know what it was
[15:47] <SturmFlut> popey: Looks like a simple chat bot which has some integration with online services
[16:25] <pngo_> ogra_, yes
[16:26] <ogra_> pngo_, well, a) you would need an OTG cable ... b) you would need USB-OTG support in your kernel ...
[16:26] <ogra_> b) isnt enabled by default in the ubuntu phone kernel config i think
[16:27] <ogra_> since that clashes with adb/mtp/android_gadget
[16:28] <Stskeeps> hrm? doesn't on intel chips
[16:28] <meretrix> I want to buy a 10" tablet on which to run Ubuntu.  Is the Nexus 10 the only one currently worth considering (i.e., hardware supported and actively developed)?
[16:28] <ogra_> Stskeeps, yeah, indeed
[16:29] <ogra_> on the phones we support it is that way though ... no intel in there yet :)
[16:29] <Stskeeps> yeah.. usb on mobile devices, crazy stuff
[16:29] <ogra_> yep
[16:29]  * ogra_ wonders if the jolla browser is capable of WebRTC
[16:29] <ogra_> seems the ubuntu one isnt yet :/
[16:30] <Stskeeps> ogra_: i think our engine may be a little behind, we do webgl at least but webrtc is rather new
[16:30] <ogra_> yeah
[16:31]  * ogra_ just pushed a webrtc server package to the store ... for snappy ... would be cool to have an accomaning .click with a phone app :)
[16:40] <Wuerfel95> Hello
[16:40] <popey> yo
[16:41] <Wuerfel95> Will there come an Ubuntu touch version for the OnePlus One?
[16:41] <popey> If someone ports it, sure.
[16:45] <popey> !devices | Wuerfel95
[16:45] <popey> thats got an (outdated) list of supported devices
[16:45] <Elleo> ogra_: from my tests webrtc stuff half works with oxide; you can setup communication and receive video and audio, but the stuff for sending data from cameras/microphones/etc. isn't hooked up yet I think
[16:46] <ogra_> yeah, that is how it looks like
[16:46] <ogra_> well, i can wait :)
[16:46] <popey> more hugs for Elleo for podbird. It's my go-to podcast client now. It was the last thing I still used my iPhone for.
[16:46] <ogra_> i assume that needs also security-policy and platform-api integration first in the browser
[16:47] <Elleo> popey: cool :)
[18:14] <fredflegel> hello! i am an ubuntu user very interested in ubuntu touch! currently i am trying it out in an emulator.
[18:15] <fredflegel> what i am missing already is a way to sync contacts with carddav and an calendar
[18:15] <fredflegel> are they only missing in the emulator? if so, how to try the "real" ubuntu phone?
[18:18] <tabbytabtab> Isn't the calendar in the software store?
[18:24] <fredflegel> @tabbytabtab yes it is, thanks. because it is possible to set the system language to german, i searched in german with zero results.
[18:27] <fredflegel> but regarding caldav/carddav: there is currently no possiblilty to sync using the ui
[18:27] <fredflegel> ?
[18:28] <tabbytabtab> I'm not quite sure on those two things, sorry.
[18:28] <fredflegel> do you have an ubuntu-touch device yourself?
[18:29] <tabbytabtab> Yes, but I currently don't have it installed because i wanted to install it as my main OS instead of a dual boot with android.
[18:29] <tabbytabtab> Nexus 7 (2013) specifically
[18:32] <fredflegel> interesting. i noticed i might even be in the wrong channel. are -phone and -touch seperate project/products?
[18:37] <tabbytabtab> I think you're in the correct channel. I could be wrong, though.
[19:14] <taiebot> Does anyone know a command line to clear the notification. My led is flashing continuously and a reboot to clear a notification is a little bit too much
[19:40] <popey> taiebot: you can echo a 0 somewhere down in /sys :)
[19:40] <popey> (which works)
[19:42] <taiebot> popey: still flashing here
[19:42] <taiebot> (vivid r100)
[22:12] <SturmFlut> Are there any plans for a Printing API? How does a confined app talk to a printer?
[22:48] <^jaxx^> Anyone know how I can tweak the scroll sensitivity?
[23:09] <nhaines> SturmFlut: I was just thinking abotu printing APIs.  :)  But that doesn't count as plans!
[23:36] <SturmFlut> nhaines: If Ubuntu Touch had a proper printing service, say CUPS with lots of shipped drivers, that would be an extreme advantage over Android.
[23:41] <nhaines> SturmFlut: not sure about that.  Android already has a proper printing service with lots of shipped drivers.
[23:42] <nhaines> I actually printed a royalty report I got on email through my phone before I'd turned off my computer.  Since the royalty was on an Ubuntu book, it made me think "hmm, Ubuntu on my phone should be able to do this."  :)
[23:42] <SturmFlut> nhaines: I wouldn't call Google Cloud print a "proper" service
[23:44] <SturmFlut> What if I am without an Internet connection and just want to connect my old USB printer via USB-to-go? That should be possible. Or printing to any network printer on the local network.
[23:45] <SturmFlut> A proper printing service should allow any use case that is currently possible with a desktop computer, just with a phone or tablet
[23:45] <nhaines> SturmFlut: Donno.  I printed directly to my HP printer without using Google Cloud Print.
[23:45] <nhaines> Like I said, I did it directly from my phone without my computer turned on.
[23:46] <SturmFlut> nhaines: Using HP ePrint?
[23:47] <nhaines> No, HP Print Service Plugin.
[23:47] <nhaines> It integrates into the Android printing service.
[23:47] <nhaines> (I have used ePrint in the past.  Almost as convenient.)
[23:55] <SturmFlut> nhaines: Yeah, the problem is that not every printer manufacturer provides a plug-in and those who do just support a limited number of models. This is very far from what CUPS can do.
[23:55] <SturmFlut> nhaines: ...and a lot of those vendor plug-ins send your documents to their servers for conversion.


[06:06] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:34] <jibel> Good morning
[06:52] <didrocks> good morning
[07:35] <fossfreedom> 9:43 AM <fossfreedom> Hi all. Has any one got a short cycle avail to review our (ubuntu budgie) ubiquity slideshow update please for kinetic? https://code.launchpad.net/~fossfreedom/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/kinetic/+merge/430170
[12:10] <jbicha> good morning
[17:18] <seb128> webkitgtk finally built on riscv!
[17:23] <ItzSwirlz> seb128: yay
[19:36] <KGB-2> gnome-shell-extension-bluetooth-quick-connect tags e9a77f4 Simon McVittie upstream/30 * Upstream version 30 * https://deb.li/3YJ0R
[19:36] <KGB-0> gnome-shell-extension-bluetooth-quick-connect pipeline Simon McVittie 430594 * pending (extract-source: pending; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[19:37] <KGB-0> gnome-shell-extension-bluetooth-quick-connect pristine-tar b4d9b2b Simon McVittie gnome-shell-extension-bluetooth-quick-connect_30.orig.tar.gz.delta gnome-shell-extension-bluetooth-quick-connect_30.orig.tar.gz.id * https://deb.li/3RJX2
[19:37] <KGB-0> pristine-tar data for gnome-shell-extension-bluetooth-quick-connect_30.orig.tar.gz
[20:40] <KGB-0> gnome-settings-daemon Jeremy Bicha 338086 * commented merge request !11 * https://deb.li/3hejg
[20:47] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon Jeremy Bicha 338092 * commented merge request !11 * https://deb.li/3osRx
[21:36] <KGB-0> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator upstream/latest 1aa0948 Marco Trevisan * pushed 27 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/dpj4
[21:36] <KGB-0> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator upstream/latest 794c4a7 Ewout van Mansom metadata.json * List shell version 43 in metadata.json * https://deb.li/31SvD
[21:36] <KGB-0> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator upstream/latest 2cbef33 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) appIndicator.js * appIndicator: Fix indicator IDs on error logs * https://deb.li/3ptRj
[21:36] <KGB-0> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator upstream/latest f1f486d Marco Trevisan (Treviño) appIndicator.js * appIndicator: Handle promises rejections gracefully * https://deb.li/iQYnR
[21:36] <KGB-0> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator upstream/latest b826ded Marco Trevisan (Treviño) statusNotifierWatcher.js * statusNotifierWatcher: Handle initialization / destruction errors * https://deb.li/xpKd
[21:36] <KGB-0> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator upstream/latest e2a62bd Marco Trevisan (Treviño) extension.js indicatorStatusIcon.js util.js * extension: Cleanup indicators leftovers on startup * https://deb.li/3lSaV


[03:02] <YYF> hellow
[10:12] <PPP> hi, everyone!
[10:12] <PPP> I'm a long time linux user but I've a almost newbie question
[10:13] <PPP> anyone there?


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[03:43] <asakapab0i> Nag join nako sa FB group.
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[04:26] <asakapab0i> Bryan B.
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[00:01] <ItzSwirlz> Same issue with desktop. The lights on the keyboard also freeze/stop moving, with kind of makes me wonder if the firmware freezes
[00:28] <ItzSwirlz> also rip big buck bunny
[00:28] <arraybolt3> (re: rip big buck bunny) I think that's been a known bug for a while?
[00:29] <ItzSwirlz> yeah confirmed bug nvm
[01:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity riscv64 [Lunar Final] has been updated (20230417)
[01:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (lunar-proposed/main) [2.831 => 2.832] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[01:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (lunar-proposed) [2.832]
[07:45] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, just found in sync-blacklist telegram-desktop is repeated twice :)
[08:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: livecd-rootfs (lunar-release/primary) [2.828]
[08:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted livecd-rootfs [sync] (lunar-release) [2.828]
[10:00] <mitya57> vorlon: LP: #2016703 :/ — do you want it to be fixed in Lunar, or it can wait until next series?
[10:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2016703 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "qbusmacros.h fails to compile: wrong case on case-sensitive include" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2016703
[10:05] <mitya57> It's a one-line fix in sync.profile so not hard to fix, just wondering. But if fixing I would do it via Debian and also sync fix for a11y in root applications.
[10:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu WSL [Lunar Final]<PHONE_NUMBER>) has been added
[11:26] <AlsoItzSwirlz> Ubuntu Cinnamon testcases complete. No ~ubuntucinnamon-release team exists yet, so here is my official approval for it to be marked as release (in other words: can someone mark it ready)
[12:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Cinnamon Desktop amd64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openstack-trove (lunar-proposed/universe) [2:19.0.0-0ubuntu4 => 2:19.0.0-0ubuntu5] (openstack)
[13:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tepl (lunar-proposed/universe) [6.4.0-7build1 => 6.4.0-7ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (lunar-proposed/main) [1:23.04.5 => 1:23.04.6] (core)
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloudkitty (lunar-proposed/universe) [17.0.0-2 => 17.0.0-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openstack-pkg-tools (lunar-proposed/universe) [119ubuntu1 => 123ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, openstack)
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloudkitty [sync] (lunar-proposed) [17.0.0-3]
[14:32] <coreycb> hello release team, I've uploaded a few last minute changes to lunar unapproved. openstack-pkg-tools is a merge from debian to pick up this fix: https://salsa.debian.org/openstack-team/debian/openstack-pkg-tools/-/commit/ef6da658 . I've also synced  freezer-api and cloudkitty which are the only 2 packages that need that fix. and the openstack-trove upload is just an autopkgtest fix. thanks and sorry for the last minute changes.
[14:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Commit ef6da65 in openstack-team/debian/openstack-pkg-tools "Fix init template to support uwsgi with Python 3.11 and up."
[14:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-boxes (lunar-proposed/universe) [44.1-1ubuntu2 => 44.1-1ubuntu3] (desktop-extra)
[14:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openstack-trove [source] (lunar-proposed) [2:19.0.0-0ubuntu5]
[14:43] <jbicha> ^ gnome-boxes is not on any release media
[14:45] <ginggs> coreycb: would you rebuild the openstack-pkg-tools source package with -v119ubuntu1 please?
[14:48] <coreycb> ginggs: sure np. I've never seen that before. what's the v stand for?
[14:49] <coreycb> ginggs: assuming that means s/v/0 for me
[14:50] <ginggs> coreycb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging#Get_your_work_uploaded
[14:51] <ginggs> "be sure to include all debian changes in your upload. (debuild -S -sa -vX.YubuntuZ)"
[14:52] <coreycb> ah, right, that. sorry I thought you were talking about changing the version in the changelog.
[14:52] <ginggs>  -vX.YubuntuZ includes all the changelog entries since version X.YubuntuZ in the .changes file
[14:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openstack-pkg-tools (lunar-proposed/universe) [119ubuntu1 => 123ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, openstack)
[14:57] <coreycb> ginggs: done
[14:59] <ginggs> coreycb: thanks, rejecting the previous upload
[15:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected openstack-pkg-tools [source] (lunar-proposed) [123ubuntu1]
[15:02] <toabctl> sil2100, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/walinuxagent/+bug/2016012
[15:02] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2016012 in walinuxagent (Ubuntu) "udev rule causing boot delay when rsyslog is not installed" [Undecided, New]
[15:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openstack-pkg-tools [source] (lunar-proposed) [123ubuntu1]
[15:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: swtpm (jammy-proposed/main) [0.6.3-0ubuntu3 => 0.6.3-0ubuntu3.1] (no packageset)
[15:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-boxes [source] (lunar-proposed) [44.1-1ubuntu3]
[15:12] <coreycb> ginggs: thanks
[15:16] <bdmurray> seb128: Did you want tepl accepted before release?
[15:17] <seb128> bdmurray, would be nice, it's unseeded and in universe and only adding translations
[15:19] <bdmurray> ginggs indicates it is seeded for some flavors
[15:19] <bdmurray> ubuntu-budgie and ubuntucinnamon
[15:21] <seb128> ah ok, so let's SRU
[15:21] <seb128> it's not worth a respin
[15:22] <seb128> feel free to reject and I will add a bug reference and reupload
[15:23] <seb128> and I need to drop from IRC for a while
[15:23] <seb128> bbl
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected tepl [source] (lunar-proposed) [6.4.0-7ubuntu1]
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base amd64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base arm64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base armhf [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base ppc64el [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base riscv64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base s390x [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[16:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity amd64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[16:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity arm64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[16:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity ppc64el [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[16:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity riscv64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[16:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity s390x [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[17:38] <Trevinho> rbasak: hey, do you happen to know why https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/ has not the applied branches around?
[17:41] <tsimonq2> (Some of them do exist, they're just severely outdated...)
[18:03] <rs2009> speaking of which, copying this from the flavors channel (since it would be more appropriate here, as suggested by arraybolt3): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/2015962 is currently holding Ubuntu Unity back
[18:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2015962 in accountsservice (Ubuntu) "indicator-messages-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance() from g_signal_handlers_disconnect_matched() from act_user_manager_finalize() from g_object_unref() from im_accounts_service_dispose()" [High, In Progress]
[18:07] <bdmurray> rs2009: What do you mean by "holding back"? Do you consider it a release blocker? If so why?
[18:19] <rs2009> bdmurray: It causes a crash on every log-in, even when booting the live ISO. We've decided to wait for the issue to be resolved upstream, and in the event that it isn't resolved in the next 2 days or so, we'll be removing indicator-messages from unity-services's Recommends.
[18:20] <sil2100> rs2009: well, I would say removing indicator-messages is the right way to go so late in the cycle
[18:21] <bdmurray> 2 days or so is too late for release
[18:21] <bdmurray> Things should really be good tomorrow
[18:21] <bdmurray> s/good/solid/
[18:21] <sil2100> In 2 days we need to have images ready for release, and I'd say we'd need a fix for this today to get realistically enough testing for this to be a go for release
[18:21] <arraybolt3> sil2100: Is that recommended for all flavors that seed indicator-messages? I think Cinnamon does that.
[18:21] <sil2100> I think cinnamon removed it from their seeds
[18:21] <arraybolt3> er, I think Cinnamon seeds that.
[18:22] <arraybolt3> Ah, makes sense.
[18:23] <sil2100> hmmm
[18:23] <sil2100> Ok, actually, I need to double check that, since I remember that being the case but maybe I'm wrong
[18:28] <sil2100> Ah, no, I got confused, nvm
[18:28] <sil2100> Anyway, yeah, I'd recommend removing that from the Recommends ASAP
[18:28] <sil2100> rs2009: ^
[18:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: walinuxagent (lunar-proposed/main) [2.2.46-0ubuntu6 => 2.2.46-0ubuntu7] (core, ubuntu-cloud)
[18:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted walinuxagent [source] (lunar-proposed) [2.2.46-0ubuntu7]
[18:35] <rs2009> sil2100: alrightey, I'll relay that to mitya57
[18:35] <sil2100> rs2009: thank you! \o/
[18:35] <rs2009> sil2100: yw, and ty! :)
[18:36] <sil2100> So, as per the tracking document on discourse: we will be re-spinning Ubuntu Desktop images (only) to fix some nasty racey issues in manual partitioning
[18:36] <sil2100> Once the new images are in I'd ask for some testing of those from everyone to make sure we didn't break any of the other cases by accident
[18:37] <sil2100> Big thanks to ogayot, dbungert and jpnurmi for their effort here!
[18:37] <mitya57> Okay, I will upload https://code.launchpad.net/~rs2009/unity/+git/unity/+merge/441187 now.
[18:39] <rs2009> mitya57: tysm, as always!
[18:44] <seb128> rs2009, sil2100, we believe we have a fix for indicator-messages and I was coming back to the computer to upload those changes from Trevinho if you would prefer to go that way
[18:44] <sil2100> hmmmm
[18:45] <sil2100> So, I think I would prefer not to pull that in
[18:46] <sil2100> The main reason is that this is seeded right now in Unity, Cinnamon and Xubuntu
[18:46] <sil2100> Cinnamon was already happy with the images, so I wouldn't want to invalidate their testing and reasiness
[18:46] <sil2100> *readiness
[18:46] <sil2100> And Xubuntu didn't mention any issues with this as well
[18:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: unity (lunar-proposed/universe) [7.7.0+23.04.20230222.2-0ubuntu1 => 7.7.0+23.04.20230222.2-0ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[18:47] <mitya57> I uploaded unity before reading what seb128 wrote, so feel free to either accept it or reject and accept indicator-messages fix instead.
[18:47] <sil2100> Oh, so that's a 'unity' rebuild entirely? hm
[18:48] <bluesabre> What's the issue with indicator-messages?
[18:48] <sil2100> It's crashin apparently?
[18:49] <seb128> bluesabre, segfaults at logout in Lunar, https://github.com/AyatanaIndicators/ayatana-indicator-messages/pull/35
[18:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Pull 35 in AyatanaIndicators/ayatana-indicator-messages "account-service: Do not unref UserManager owned user" [Open]
[18:51] <sil2100> rs2009: is this the case for Ubuntu Unity as well? Is this only a crash on logout?
[18:53] <seb128> sil2100, the issue is that when things crash on logout you get apport in your face at the next login
[18:53] <seb128> so people get greeted at login by a crash report every time
[18:54] <sil2100> Not great experience
[18:55] <sil2100> I'll have to move to my hotel room in a bit - since this affects Xubuntu, Cinnamon and Unity, I'd appreciate if you could give me a sign what you think is the best way to go
[18:55] <sil2100> aka bluesabre, rs2009 and ItsSwirls (who's not here)
[18:55] <sil2100> I know cinnamon asked to be marked as ready, so apparently they're not really affected or don't really consider this a blocker
[18:56] <sil2100> bluesabre: did you notice the crash for Xubuntu?
[18:56] <bluesabre> I don't think I'd seen it before, working on reproducing now.
[18:56] <sil2100> Thank you o/
[18:57] <sil2100> Since I might just accept the unity one in that case
[18:57] <sil2100> (if by some chance it's not visible for you)
[18:57] <seb128> it's bug #2015962
[18:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2015962 in accountsservice (Ubuntu) "indicator-messages-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance() from g_signal_handlers_disconnect_matched() from act_user_manager_finalize() from g_object_unref() from im_accounts_service_dispose()" [High, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015962
[18:58] <sil2100> Ok, I need to suspend for a bit but I'll read the IRC logs from irclogs when I'm back
[18:58] <seb128> which is the top report on https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2023.04&period=day
[18:59] <sil2100> o/
[19:05] <seb128> bluesabre, is xubuntu loading indicator-messages by default?
[19:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: indicator-messages (lunar-proposed/universe) [13.10.1+18.10.20180918-0ubuntu3 => 13.10.1+18.10.20180918-0ubuntu4] (ubuntu-desktop)
[19:08] <bluesabre> I don't think we are, actually.
[19:08] <bluesabre> It's installed, but not running. Does Thunderbird still support it?
[19:09] <bluesabre> Anyway, that probably means Xubuntu is fine with the package update, but can go without a respin.
[19:10] <seb128> ^ upload of what we believe to be the fix if you want to consider that option
[19:14] <bluesabre> I'm happy with the upload if Cinnamon/Unity are.
[19:49] <jbicha> bluesabre: if it's accepted into release, Xubuntu would need a respin since the ISOs need to match the archive
[19:51] <bluesabre> jbicha: Ah, I thought it would just be one of those day zero updates. A respin is fine.
[19:51] <jbicha> yes, it could be handled as an SRU if the bug is not so serious that it needs to be fixed before installation
[19:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Edubuntu Desktop amd64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[19:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Studio DVD amd64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[19:53]  * Eickmeyer might take a nap after that marathon
[20:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tepl (lunar-proposed/universe) [6.4.0-7build1 => 6.4.0-7ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:30] <sil2100> Hey!
[20:30] <sil2100> So, any decision on the indicator-messages?
[20:30] <sil2100> I see in the logs that Xubuntu doesn't actually experience the crash?
[20:30] <sil2100> In that case I'll accept the unity upload instead, not to invalidate cinnamon
[20:31] <sil2100> And we'll get this as an zero-day sru perhaps?
[20:32] <sil2100> bluesabre, rs2009 ^
[20:33] <bluesabre> @sil2100: Yes, Xubuntu has it installed, but not running by default. So no Xubuntu user will experience the bug without some extra work.
[20:35] <sil2100> hm
[20:36] <sil2100> Ok, I see a potential complication
[20:36] <sil2100> unity riscv64 build takes 6 hours
[20:39] <sil2100> Does anyone have contact with ItsSwirlz?
[20:48] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: I'll give him a ping, he's probably just off school.
[20:49] <sil2100> Eickmeyer: thanks
[20:49] <sil2100> Since if he's fine with a re-test of cinnamon for this, I'll go ahead and get the real fix in then
[20:50] <Eickmeyer> He's on the bus on his way home, he says he'll be here in a bit.
[20:50]  * AlsoItzSwirlz rawrs
[20:50] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: ^
[20:50] <AlsoItzSwirlz> hi
[20:50] <sil2100> Hello hello!
[20:51] <sil2100> AlsoItzSwirlz: so we have such a situation: Ubuntu Unity is haunted by a crash of indicator-messages in their images
[20:51] <sil2100> We have a fix in the queue for that, but since the package is seeded in Xubuntu, Cinnamon and Unity, this would need a respin of your flavor as well
[20:52] <AlsoItzSwirlz> im okay with a rebuild
[20:52] <sil2100> We have a 'workaround' in unity itself by just dropping the recommends for indicator-messages, which would mean only a respin of unity, but the build will take a while as riscv64 for the unity package takes 6 hours
[20:52] <sil2100> Ok!
[20:52] <sil2100> AlsoItzSwirlz: thank you!
[20:52] <sil2100> Let me accept that and unblock
[20:52] <sil2100> seb128: I assume this fix was tested in a real scenario?
[20:53] <sil2100> Trevinho: ^
[20:53] <AlsoItzSwirlz> sorry about not being here by the way, i did just reinstall my ubuntu desktop raspi
[20:54] <Trevinho> sil2100: yes
[20:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted indicator-messages [source] (lunar-proposed) [13.10.1+18.10.20180918-0ubuntu4]
[20:54] <Trevinho> sil2100: there's a test case in http://dpaste.com//FELSTPDSB
[20:55] <Trevinho> sil2100: well, remvoing the unref there is like how the fix does for indicator-messages
[21:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [Lunar Final] has been updated (20230418)
[21:13] <rbasak> Trevinho: probably a bug. Thank you for the report. I've added this to https://bugs.launchpad.net/git-ubuntu/+bug/1999073
[21:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1999073 in git-ubuntu "applied branches missing in samba package" [High, New]
[21:14] <rbasak> Trevinho: for prioritising, is this going to be a recurring pain for you, or just passing through?
[21:24] <seb128> sil2100, sorry I was in evening mode, just catching up a bit before bed, the crash tops error reports and the reports are not only from unity but also cinnamon so I think trying to restrict the respin to unity isn't especially right
[21:25] <seb128> but seems like you decided on accepting and respinning so +1 from me
[21:44] <seb128> wth with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/13.10.1+18.10.20180918-0ubuntu4 ?
[21:47] <seb128> so the binaries uploads have been rejected because ayatana-indicator-messages is building some of those binaries with the same names
[21:54] <sbeattie> Hey archive admins; last thursday, chromium browser was published to bionic-security, but the automated process that copies packages to bionic-updates did not happen: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+publishinghistory
[21:54] <sbeattie> Can someone please fix this? THanks!
[21:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ayatana-indicator-messages (lunar-proposed/main) [22.9.0-1 => 22.9.0-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[21:57] <sbeattie> Hrm, this also seems to be the case for firefox published ~18 hours ago, for both bionic and focal: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox
[21:58] <sbeattie> (will also poke in ~launchpad)
[21:59] <seb128> sbeattie, I'm not aware of that part of the archive admin work, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#Copying_security_uploads_to_updates seems to be wrong though
[22:00] <seb128> it states that 'Note that copy-report --safe is run from a cron job as the ubuntu-archive user on people.canonical.com' but I get a 'unknown user: ubuntu-archive' on that machine
[22:02] <sbeattie> seb128: ah, that seems to have moved to a different host in PS5... and it seems I'm getting cronmail from it that is throwing a python backtrace. Fun!
[22:05] <seb128> vorlon, ^ is that a consequence of the snakefruit migration?
[22:05] <seb128> sbeattie, could you share details about the instance/backtrace?
[22:07] <seb128> sbeattie, unping, I figured it out
[22:19] <Eickmeyer> Removed Edubuntu as ready, apparently we've got some mutter issues along with Desktop.
[22:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Edubuntu Desktop amd64 [Lunar Final] has been updated (20230417)
[23:17] <ItzSwirlz> so the most awkward question I've asked yet: what package to file a bug against for WSL
[23:17] <ItzSwirlz> I don't even know if I can ubuntu-bug within WSL
[23:19] <Eickmeyer> ItzSwirlz: Depends on what's wrong with it.
[23:19] <ItzSwirlz> neofetch specifically says I'm running on a Windows 10 host, but I'm on 11. But I'm pretty sure neofetch pulls from other system files, so I'm pretty sure it's a WSL thing
[23:21] <Eickmeyer> ItzSwirlz: OR neofetch just doesn't know the difference.
[23:21] <ItzSwirlz> I'm plowing through the script right now
[23:23] <ItzSwirlz> Yep. It's windows. It runs "wmic.exe os get Version" and it returns a form of 10.foo
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> So not a bug on our end.
[23:24] <ItzSwirlz> The version its showing might actually be the build I installed Windows originally with, I'll have to check my dvd downstairs. But yeah, not us


[03:52] <ScottK> Yes ...
[03:52] <ScottK> But now he's not.
[09:22] <bambee> morning
[09:25] <valorie> if anyone wants a google+ invite, tell me or PM me your email address
[09:46] <debfx> ScottK: re release meeting: bug #800857 hasn't been fixed yet
[11:12] <bambee> yofel: you have told about python-kde4 yesterday, it's a mistake, I have to rename the source package to "pykde4"
[11:33] <yofel> what I meant was the branch name on LP, but that's trivial to fix
[11:34] <yofel> but right, the package name is wrong too
[12:11] <Riddell> agateau: do you know anything about git's support for gpg signatures?
[12:12] <agateau> Riddell: nope
[12:12] <Riddell> ok
[13:11] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[15:11] <ScottK> debfx: Release team meeting is being canceled due to a conflict with closing meeting of the Canonical sprint that's on this week.
[16:50] <maco> alpha 2's next week? well crap
[16:50] <maco> i still dont know what to do about the keyboard crashyness on the installer
[17:32] <ScottK> Right about now would be a good time to get it sorted.
[17:34] <bambee> Play a dvd using phonon-gstreamer is just perfect!! seriously it rocks! :D
[18:34] <LaserJock> hmm, that burndown chart on the TODO is going the wrong way :-)
[18:39] <ScottK> Package splits for KDE 4.7 from upstream turn out to be a huge PITA.
[18:39] <ScottK> Of course it's mostly a one time effort, but it's certainly distracting from other things.
[18:46] <LaserJock> I bet
[18:46] <LaserJock> will they change again after 4.7?
[18:49] <ScottK> I hope not.
[18:49] <ScottK> I'd guess minor changes for 4.8 and then who knows what's next after that.
[18:54] <yofel> well, on the good side we're >50% done, although the copyrights are still a headache
[18:55] <yofel> bambee: if you want some easy packaging tasks: 4.6.5 was tagged. Shouldn't be more work than copying the 4.6.4 packaging over and doing some QA
[18:59] <yofel> at least it seems Dirk didn't mess up the application versions in 4.6.5 this time
[19:06] <shadeslayer> Copyright (C) 2001 The Kompany <= hahahaha
[19:06] <yofel> hm, good idea, put that into smoke and I'm happpy
[19:06] <yofel> or kappy
[19:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: since I can't find someone that does, could you look at the upstrem copyright for libkdeedu?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> sure, i'll have a look at it after kamera
[19:08] <yofel> I added L/GPL which is fine for most files, but there's some qtmmlwidget source from nokia whose copyright I don't get
[19:09] <yofel> (or at least where the hell to get that LGPL_EXCEPTION.txt from)
[19:13] <yofel> somehow I'm wondering if we're the only distro  that care about those files...
[19:15] <shadeslayer> ^^
[19:16] <yofel> I don't get how the others are shipping smokeqt/kde though which don't have any copyright, didn't that equal being proprietary in some world?
[19:18]  * yofel isn't good with licenses
[19:18] <ScottK> yofel: Did you see pykde and smokegen uploaded to Debian?
[19:19] <yofel> I did, I'll resync smokegen later, and I told bambee to look at pykde
[19:24] <yofel> ScottK: btw. is there an upload mailing list like our -changes for debian?
[19:24] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:24] <yofel> couldn't find one last time I searched for it
[19:24] <ScottK> "Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>gets all the Qt/KDE ones.
[19:25] <yofel> thanks
[19:26] <shadeslayer> yay, kamera missing COPYING file
[19:30] <yofel> hm, we can probably just sync kross-interpreters
[19:30] <yofel> I'll look at it
[19:37] <yofel> has no debug package, but looks fine otherwise (EXCEPT for the missing copyright copies)
[19:38] <ScottK> We'd have a dbgsym package, so I think no debug package is fine.
[19:38] <ScottK> If copyright was good enough for Debian, it's good enough for us.
[19:38] <yofel> true
[19:43] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kross-interpreters] Philip Muškovac * 1 * (9 files in 3 dirs) Add split packaging
[19:44] <ScottK> I would suggest maybe we ought to go ahead and start uploading what's split so far.
[19:44] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kamera] Rohan Garg * 1 * (10 files in 3 dirs) Initial packaging for kamera
[19:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: i think you missed something in kross-interpreters, might be wrong tho
[19:44] <yofel> shadeslayer: as in?
[19:45] <shadeslayer> well .. from what i've seen, we usually have 10 files in 3 dirs
[19:45] <yofel> not really, it has only one install file though
[19:46] <yofel> changelog compat control copyright krosspython.install rules source/format
[19:46] <shadeslayer> right, with one install file, i have 10 files
[19:46] <shadeslayer> aha
[19:46] <shadeslayer> nvm
[19:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: i also have debian/docs
[19:47] <yofel> see :P
[19:47] <shadeslayer> wel, now i have to think whether to keep it or not ^_^
[19:51] <yofel> well, kross doesn't have anything to put into docs
[19:54] <shadeslayer>  /usr/share/doc/kamera/README << i'll leave that
[19:54] <bambee> yofel, ScottK: pykde4 has been uploaded into ninjas 3 hours ago :)
[19:54] <ScottK> OK.
[19:54] <bambee> everything is synced with debian git
[19:54] <yofel> good :)
[19:55] <bambee> ;)
[19:57] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kamera] Rohan Garg * 2 * debian/changelog Minor fix to the changelog
[20:05] <bambee> Is it easy to rename a repository on launchpad ? (I am asking this question for ~kubuntu-packagers/python-kde4)
[20:27] <yofel> bambee: sure, open the branch -> details, there's a field for the  branch name
[20:28] <bambee> could you do it please ? (I've not the rights for that) Then I will propose a merge :)
[20:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://qt.digia.com/en/license-agreements/
[20:37] <yofel> bambee: renamed
[20:37] <yofel> (as long as lplip didn't ignore me)
[20:37] <yofel> *lplib
[20:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: that is one weird license i tell you
[20:39] <yofel> agreed
[20:51] <yofel> ScottK: what packages are we going to try to get into main? I'm not convinced it makes sense for all of them. (If we keep cantor in universe for example we could build the R backend)
[20:52] <ScottK> yofel: I think for now try to match what we had before and then go back and re-evaluate stuff like that after the first pass is done.
[20:53] <yofel> k
[20:55] <shadeslayer> kdegames might have to be moved into universe if we want granatier
[20:56] <yofel> I believe we have something of that in the default install, so that's a problem
[20:56] <yofel> I don't know for sure though
[20:57] <shadeslayer> ah, then in that case, we will have to drop granatier because iirc libopenal failed a MIR
[20:57] <yofel> which I would say we do, or we check if we really need games in the default install
[20:58] <ScottK> Why can't just that be in Universe?
[20:58] <yofel> ScottK: not split
[20:58] <ScottK> Oh.
[20:58] <ScottK> We touted getting a game onto the CD in the last release.
[20:58] <ScottK> I think it'd be better not to drop it if we can avoid it.
[20:58] <bambee> yofel: thanks
[20:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i guess we will have to drop granatier from the archives then
[20:59] <yofel> we could try to pre-split granatier...
[20:59] <ScottK> For now.
[20:59] <ScottK> (drop for now)
[20:59] <shadeslayer> ^^
[20:59] <yofel> heh
[21:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: how did you handle documentation copyright?
[21:07] <yofel> the docs are usually under GFDL, check the docbook source
[21:07] <yofel> there should be a 'FDLNotice' line or so
[21:08] <shadeslayer> yeah, but what version is that?
[21:08] <shadeslayer> 1.2 or 1.3 ?
[21:09] <yofel> if I open the handbook for konsole 4.6 it links to 1.2, not sure how
[21:09] <shadeslayer> well ... i'd say it gets that from kdelibs
[21:10] <yofel> hm, it links to help:/common/fdl-license.html
[21:10] <shadeslayer> ok, in neon its 1.2
[21:10] <shadeslayer> so 1.2 it is
[21:10] <yofel> right, kdelibs
[21:11] <bambee> https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4/+merge/66652 :)
[21:17] <shadeslayer> please review : http://paste.ubuntu.com/636537/
[21:17] <shadeslayer> oh hold on
[21:18] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/636539/ << this one
[21:18] <yofel> about that Format line... I read the part of dep5 again,  and I believe that needs to be a Vcs line with the exact version of the spec.
[21:19] <yofel> like the example has
[21:19] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[21:19] <yofel> I used
[21:19] <yofel>  21 Format: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/dep/web/deps/dep5.mdwn?view=markup&pathrev=174
[21:19] <yofel> for cantor for example
[21:19] <yofel> s/21//
[21:19] <kubotu> yofel: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[21:20]  * yofel douzes lava over kubotu
[21:20] <ScottK> s/douzes/douses
[21:20] <ScottK> s/douzes/douses/
[21:20] <kubotu> ScottK meant: "s/douses/douses"
[21:20] <shadeslayer> ok done
[21:20] <shadeslayer> hahaha :P
[21:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: anything else?
[21:21] <yofel> oh right, thanks
[21:21] <yofel> nope, seems fine
[21:25] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 5 * debian/ (10 files in 2 dirs) resync with debian
[21:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: debian has 4.7 ?
[21:27] <yofel> they are working on it, and they have parts of 4.6.80/90 in experimental
[21:27] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:27]  * shadeslayer will have a look
[21:27] <yofel> I just used kross-interpreters directly from debian for example
[21:27] <yofel> and  dpalacio was working on smoke and qtruby
[21:28] <yofel> MoDaX on pykde
[21:30] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kanagram] Rohan Garg * 1 * (9 files in 3 dirs) Initial packaging for kanagram
[21:32] <shadeslayer> nothing for me
[21:32] <yofel> :P
[21:32] <yofel> feel free to ask them
[21:32] <shadeslayer> do they have a status wiki page?
[21:32] <yofel> no idea
[21:51] <bambee> "Launchpad encountered an internal error during the following operation: generating the diff for a merge proposal.  It was logged with id OOPS-2008MPJ2.  Sorry for the inconvenience."  WTF ? o_O
[21:55] <yofel> -> #launchpad
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, think it's time to remove the council election bit from #kubuntu's topic? My #kubuntu tab turning red on startup getting a bit annoying :P
[22:03] <ScottK> Not shutting down would also stop that problem, but I agree.
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> I loves me some Team Fortress 2, so I need windows from time to time
[22:05] <apachelogger> using a quassel core then
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> nevar!
[22:05] <apachelogger> using a bnc then
[22:06] <apachelogger> ah right, konversation has problems with that :P
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> Sho_ uses a BNC regularly, so some work properly
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> I've just been too lazy + don't have a suitable server
[22:06] <apachelogger> some(tm)
[22:08] <yofel> agreed though, but Quintasan is absent, and not sure why debfx is MIA
[22:09] <apachelogger> debfx: y u no here?
[22:09] <apachelogger> I miss you :'(
[22:11] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: heh, TF2 is a *huge* game, i'm downloading it myself these days
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> It took me nearly 24 hours myself
[22:12] <apachelogger> I am proper geek
[22:12] <apachelogger> I be writing me games myself
[22:12] <apachelogger> in BASIC
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> are your games 11 GB?
[22:12] <apachelogger> 2 million lines of BASIC for a horse
[22:12] <yofel> c2tarun and Tonio are MIA too :(
[22:12] <apachelogger> suffice to say most of my games feature ponies, so it is reusable 2 million lines of BASIC
[22:12] <yofel> why would anyone use BASIC? Use Java!
[22:12] <apachelogger> dude
[22:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can i shoot the pony?
[22:12] <apachelogger> today
[22:12] <apachelogger> we shall not talk about java
[22:13] <apachelogger> srsly
[22:13] <shadeslayer> and does the pony have a ... MEDIC :P
[22:13] <apachelogger> actually
[22:13] <apachelogger> lets not talk about java until next week
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Your skype status says Java is the love of your life
[22:13] <apachelogger> just to be sure
[22:13] <apachelogger> we would not want people to have a nervous break down or something
[22:13]  * yofel gets a java gl error when trying to play minecraft in oneiric :(
[22:13] <apachelogger> that is no surprise
[22:13] <apachelogger> yofel: you should mail the c2tarun and the tonio
[22:14] <apachelogger> also tell the tonio we have free beer, maybe it helps
[22:14] <yofel> lol
[22:14] <apachelogger> kubotu: order beer
[22:14]  * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer.
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> yofel: I had that, but I fiddled around with upgrading mesa via xorg-edgers, but then after an update that broke again and I downgraded to the repo versions and things worked
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> I'm not quite sure that the upgrades actually helped
[22:14] <yofel> hm
[22:14] <yofel> I'll fiddle around tomorrow
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> xorg-edgers seemed to work, but then it broke, and then the repo version worked again
[22:15]  * apachelogger could also fiddle around a bit
[22:15] <apachelogger> kinda boring right now
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> yofel: Yesterday I found 56 coal in a vein, and fell in to lava while mining them. :( I was barely under the surface and was not expecting lava.
[22:16] <yofel> lol
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> lost a new diamond shovel and pick
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> and 3 powered rail, which I don't know why I was carrying in the first place
[22:16] <yofel> then again, I was pushed into a lava lake by zombies in the nether last week, lost my compass and watch :(
[22:17] <apachelogger> :O
[22:17] <apachelogger> at least shadeslayer had the decency to make up excuses for not doing anything useful
[22:17] <shadeslayer> :)
[22:17]  * apachelogger fears the ScottK's comment on all this talk of zombies and mining and stuff
[22:18] <yofel> hmpf, I did package too, so calm down
[22:18] <yofel> but minecraft is a pretty good medicine for broken copyrights -.-
[22:18] <apachelogger> nono, fiddeling helps there
[22:18] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[22:18] <yofel> in your case :P
[22:19] <apachelogger> I dunno, plenty of people seem to get quite a relieve out of fiddeling around
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> Check out my kickin' rad automated minecart station: http://i.imgur.com/6eg83.png http://i.imgur.com/PTUZW.png http://i.imgur.com/KUxYm.png
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> (Note that neither the desert base nor the tracks to where it will be exist)
[22:21] <yofel> :O
[22:21] <yofel> heh
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> The location switched use a redstone NOR latch to switch the tracks
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> *switcher
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> There's a minecart pez dispenser underground that gives/receives carts
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> I dug a 10x10 hole 9 deep for that room
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> still trying to figure out how to make it creeper-proof, while still being able to enter
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> pistons should help with that
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> I can use a detector rail to activate a sticky piston to pull a creeper-blocking block up from over the rail entrance/exit
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> Well, another day. I've already sunk 7 hours in to that station total, and there's packaging to do
[22:29] <shadeslayer> heheh
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> I'm waiting for optifog and optimine to update before upgrading to 1.7
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> With them I can usually get 30 FPS on Short render distance
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> otherwise I only get ~20
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> which is passable, but not very nice. It makes combat a bit hard too
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> Where do I grab 4.6.90 tars?
[22:40] <yofel> ftpmaster/unstable
[22:40] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ftp.kde.org or ftpmaster
[22:41]  * JontheEchidna grabs kolourpaint
[22:41] <yofel> oh, I think I know why minecraft stopped working
[22:41] <yofel> [    11.297] (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X
[22:42] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[22:42] <yofel> why does kwin work though o.O
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> xrender fallback?
[22:43]  * yofel reinstalls nvidia
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> XRender is really not bad these days. I had KWin effects working on a Debian VirtualBox and you could barely tell the difference
[22:44] <yofel> erm...
[22:44] <yofel> update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/nvidia-current/alt_ld.so.conf to provide /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i386-linux-gnu_GL.conf (i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf) in auto mode.
[22:45] <yofel> alt_ld.so.conf is empty
[22:45] <shadeslayer> yep, if only they could get those fancy effects to work :)
[23:16] <debfx> apachelogger: I am here, sort of
[23:16] <yofel> meh, forgot to add COPYING-CMAKE-SCRIPTS to cantor
[23:20] <yofel> uh, does someone know where that file is supposed to be from? It wasn't in kdeedu either


[10:53] <user|69> Hello Kubuntu !!  I am a new user that is trying to escape Widnows . . .
[10:54] <oerheks> !yay
[10:55] <user|69> I have istalled Kubuntu 22.04 LST . . . there are some errors when booting . . . hi ubottu
[10:55] <user|69> how can i show you my boot log?
[10:58] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: yep, show us the logs.
[10:59] <user|69> hi diogenes, how do i show you the logs?
[10:59] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:59] <user|69> cut and paste here?
[10:59] <diogenes_Vx15> share the url you get
[10:59] <diogenes_Vx15> don't cut and paste here.
[11:00] <user|69> ok trying . . .
[11:02] <user|69> hydnum@Pickle:~$ dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:02] <user|69> dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
[11:02] <user|69> ? . . . some permissions needed?
[11:03] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: ok run: sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:04] <user|69> ydnum@Pickle:~$ sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:04] <user|69> https://termbin.com/620k
[11:07] <user|69> I am super suprised by your fast help! wow . . . happy to leave windows 10 . . . Thank you for all your help8)
[11:08] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: let's filter the utput a bit, run: sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:08] <diogenes_Vx15> btw is it a real PC or irtual machine?
[11:08] <diogenes_Vx15> virtual*
[11:09] <user|69> ok boss . . .yes is a real PC ASUS laptop
[11:11] <user|69> hydnum@Pickle:~$ sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:11] <user|69> done
[11:11] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: share the url
[11:12] <user|69> the command is not returning a URL  (?)
[11:12] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: ok run just: sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware
[11:13] <diogenes_Vx15> did it show anything?
[11:13] <user|69> no, just returns a shown above . .
[11:14] <diogenes_Vx15> i see, do you remember what error messages, any word from those messages?
[11:14] <oerheks>  [sda] tag#6 Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed .. sounds like a bad disk
[11:17] <user|69> after the boot erros . . .  Kubuntu loads anyway . . . i am using it now, my new Kubuntu to talk to you .. . everything looks normal!
[11:19] <user|69> I have 2 hard disks sda and sdb.  Windows 10 is in sda and Kubutu in sdb . . .
[11:19] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: how old is the laptop?
[11:20] <user|69> Windows is having some problems . . . its very very slow . . . could that be the reason for the error messages?
[11:20] <user|69> laptop is from 2012 more or less . . . 10 years old
[11:21] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: just try to cach some of those messages what it reads and then we can discuss
[11:21] <diogenes_Vx15> but even so, if everything works normally then there's no need to worry about.
[11:24] <user|69> to be honest i installed Kubuntu a month ago and it has been working fine until yesterday when it was not booting any longer.  I had to reinstall Kubuntu this morning.  I am worried that it will happen again because those error messages at boot time.
[11:25] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: then yes. most lilely your drive is about to fails, i suggest you backup all your data.
[11:26] <user|69> before i buy a new disk driver . . . are you sure i have a bad hard disk?  which one sda or sdb?
[11:28] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: we can test it.
[11:28] <user|69> i have nothing important yet in sdb (Kubuntu)  . . . no need to backup  . . . i think
[11:28] <user|69> ok how do i test?
[11:33] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: sudo apt install smartmontools
[11:34] <user|69> ok  . . . wait please
[11:34] <diogenes_Vx15> after that run: sudo smartctl -H /dev/sda
[11:34] <diogenes_Vx15> and
[11:34] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo smartctl -H /dev/sdb
[11:37] <user|69> hydnum@Pickle:~$ sudo smartctl -H /dev/sda
[11:37] <user|69> smartctl 7.2 2020-12-30 r5155 [x86_64-linux-5.15.0-56-generic] (local build)
[11:37] <user|69> Copyright (C) 2002-20, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
[11:37] <user|69> [11:37] <user|69> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
[11:37] <user|69> hydnum@Pickle:~$ sudo smartctl -H /dev/sdb
[11:42] <user|69> sorry i was disconnectd . . . i have run both commands:
[11:43] <user|69> sda and sdb return as follows:
[11:43] <user|69> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
[11:44] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: could you install gnome-disk-utility?
[11:44] <user|69> yes anything you order . . .
[11:45] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt install gnome-disk-utility
[11:48] <user|69> done diogenes . . .
[11:49] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: sorry i'm a bit multitasking so it takes longer for me to reply that i want
[11:49] <diogenes_Vx15> run in terminal: gnome-disks
[11:50] <user|69> no worries i can wait . . .
[11:50] <diogenes_Vx15> did it open the disks dialog?
[11:50] <user|69> its up and running . . .
[11:51] <diogenes_Vx15> ok in that dialog click on the first drive, then choose the Drive Options, usually represented by 3 dots or a gear
[11:51] <diogenes_Vx15> there select the option: SMART data and self-test
[11:52] <diogenes_Vx15> in the newly opened window look for the row that reads: Current Pending Sector Count
[11:53] <diogenes_Vx15> it should have the value of 0 sectors
[11:53] <diogenes_Vx15> if it's more than 0 then the drive has bad sectors
[11:57] <user|69> i cant find SMART data and self test . . .
[11:57] <user|69> it shows options for partitions . . .
[11:58] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: look on the right side just before the minimize, maximize and close buttons
[11:59] <user|69> ok ok got it !
[12:02] <user|69> for sda (Windows) test completed . . . it says Disk is, OK 539 bad sectors
[12:02] <user|69> now running on sdb (Kubuntu) . . .
[12:03] <user|69> Disk is OK (no bad sectors)
[12:04] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: look for the line: Current Pending Sector Count
[12:06] <user|69> yes that line shows 539 sectors for sda and 0 for sdb
[12:06] <diogenes_Vx15> which means your sda disk has bad sectors.
[12:07] <user|69> by the way the line just below "Uncorrectable sector count" is 0 sectors for sda.  can i somehow correct the bad sectors?
[12:08] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: there are some command to try to correct the bad sectores but the result is not guaranteed and you need to backup your most important data
[12:10] <user|69> yes i would like to try to correct, if is ok for you diogenes, the Windows data is already backed up.
[12:14] <user|69> Anyway, i think diogenes had to leave.  THANK YOU for your great help!!!  I am very impressed. Have to think about a new hard drive or perhaps a new laptop . . . :b  . . . or is it worth trying to fix those sectors ? don know
[12:16] <user|69> anyway, thanks to you,  i have decided to move to Kubuntu for good<3 8)
[12:17] <oerheks> bad sectors grow, IMHO
[12:17] <oerheks> replace disk
[12:18] <user|69> ok oerheks i will do that . . . thank you for your wise advise
[12:20] <diogenes_Vx15> user|69: sorry i got disconnected, if you want to try to fix those bad sectors, you can try this tutorial: https://ubunlog.com/en/repara-aisla-sectores-danados-disco-duro-estas-herramientas/
[12:24] <user|69> yes diogenes while waiting for my new hard drive to arrive . . . i  will try to fix those sectors . . . thank you again for your patience . . . you have a friend in France .
[12:25] <diogenes_Vx15> avec plaisir mon ami :)
[12:26] <diogenes_Vx15> dammit is ami friend of love? lol
[12:26] <diogenes_Vx15> i forgot
[12:26] <user|69> hi hi . . . dont want to leave this pace lol . . . yes ami is friend you said it perfectly
[12:28] <diogenes_Vx15> ok i remembered, mon amour is love and ami is friend :)
 Hello,
 I'm a bit new to the Linux Ecosystem
 and I got into a weird issue
 I'm using Brave browser in my laptop in which I have installed Kubuntu 22.04 recently
 currently I'm unable to open .pdf file formats in browser
[14:17] <diogenes_Vx15> a_k_s_27, and?
[14:17] <diogenes_Vx15> how you wanna open it in browser?
 I'm using Brave(or any chromium) browser in my laptop in which I have installed Kubuntu 22.04 recently
 I'm using Brave(or any chromium) browser in my laptop in which I have installed Kubuntu 22.04 recently (re @a_k_s_27: I'm using Brave(or any chromium) browser in my laptop in which I have installed Kubuntu 22.04 recently)
 its not openning (re @IrcsomeBot: <diogenes_Vx15> how you wanna open it in browser?)
 instead its opening a location chooser to download it
 but if i remove the .pdf from file name it opens it
[14:19] <oerheks> it is good practive to download a pdf file first, before opening it
[14:20] <diogenes_Vx15> a_k_s_27, drag and drop a pdf from the file manager into the browser
 actually i have a pdf file already present in my system
 1 sec i'm uploading a screen recording
[14:22] <diogenes_Vx15> that's what i mean
[14:22] <diogenes_Vx15> a pdf rom your drive
[14:22] <diogenes_Vx15> from*
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 It's actually taking some time upload the video, sorry for that (re @a_k_s_27: 1 sec i'm uploading a screen recording)
 so this is what is happening with me here
 this is another recording please have a look at it (re @a_k_s_27: )
 it' very troublesome that all of the chromium browsers are having same problem in my system
[17:45] <andrea_> hi
 Hi how to show battery icon on task bar although full charged?
 The battery icon usually hides when full charged
 Right click on the system tray, select Configure System Tray.  Select the Entries icon on the left, find the Battery and Brightness option and set to Always shown.
 Thanks now it's showing


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[13:46] <DWD> Hi how should I log a bug against a wiki.ubuntu.com page?
[13:51] <mdeslaur> DWD: it's a wiki, you can edit it yourself: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpContents
[13:57] <DWD> @mdeslaur Thanks - I've now asked to join the wiki editors group.
[15:24] <stevenm> anyone using grub 2.11 here?  (I know it's not out, but by '2.11' I mean what they've got so far... https://git.launchpad.net/grub/log/ )
[15:25] <stevenm> although I don't see any commits for the last month - oddly
[15:36] <eslerm> stevenm: there is a small ecosystem of packages around grub for secure boot. Some take external coordination, like updating the dbx list. From what I have heard last, grub's release is a month off, maybe a little longer
[15:39] <stevenm> 2.11 is a month off?
[15:41] <stevenm> I'd really *really* like to see 2.11 for ubuntu 22.04..  or at the very least backport the argon2 support grub 2.06
[15:41] <stevenm> as ubuntu 22.04 (an lts) is really pointless encrypting on a portable device
[15:41] <stevenm> if someone can just fiddle with your unencrypted /boot
[15:42] <stevenm> using a worse pbkdf or downgrading to luks1 are just silly choices for full disk encryption
[18:43] <eslerm> stevenm: after grub releases for 22.10, I will look into which other releases can be supported
[19:16] <eslerm> stevenm: I see grub2 has already been released. I am checking into older release support. There have been followup releases to grub2 2.06-2ubuntu10 and may be more that are needed before supporting other releases