[00:30] <diddledan> hah. "In this case the site owners did not update for some time and it resulted in world leaders being toppled and the largest data breach to journalists in history."  It's Friday!
[08:53] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:53] <Myrtti> but I've been awake since 0430
[08:53] <Myrtti> so I'm allowed to be a bit bllääähhh
[09:03] <davmor2> Myrtti: well if you will get up at OMG it's early O'clock you have no-one but yourself to blame ;)
[09:04] <Myrtti> I wish that were funny, but it's not
[09:04] <Myrtti> because I didn't choose to wake up at early o'clock
[09:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happyDraw a Picture of a Bird Day! 😃  🐦
[09:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPrtFxd9u9Y
[09:10] <davmor2> JamesTait: and look he stole all our dance moves
[09:11] <JamesTait> Pffft!   Maybe one day
[10:17] <popey> hah
[10:17] <popey> it eats the battery
[10:20] <bigcalm> Yep
[10:21] <bigcalm> Somebody needs to buy me this http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B015ZEPSYI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=LXT6MFP2WUWA&coliid=IHS1CIMNMQ1CI
[10:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: you are somebody buy it
[10:24] <Myrtti> http://www.openculture.com/2016/03/software-used-by-hayao-miyazakis-animation-studio-becomes-open-source-free-to-download.html
[10:30] <foobarry> Myrtti: not linux yet though?
[10:30] <Myrtti> Didn't dig that deep, as I've got little skills for animation
[10:31] <zmoylan-pi> i used to use autodesk 3d animation in late 80s to knock up animated customer logos for their computers... went down very well.  great software.  never ever crashed...
[10:40] <zmoylan-pi> while i can't draw to save my life i could render a fairly mean animation of a scanned image/cobbled together image
[14:03] <foobarry> check the cassetteboy video
[14:03] <foobarry> https://www.facebook.com/boycassette/videos/470758526446422/?fref=nf
[17:55] <MooDoo> evening all
[17:55] <diddledan> morning
[17:57] <zmoylan-pi> merry christmas
[17:59] <daftykins> \o
[17:59] <daftykins> sad face, bits for my desktop PC upgrade only dispatched yesterday - and no motherboard as of yet
[18:00] <daftykins> i'm going through my Linux notebook right now to prune some old irrelevant stuff, page 1: "how to disable IPv6 in ubuntu 8.10"
[18:01] <daftykins> haha, re-enabling X.org zapping in 9.04
[18:02] <zmoylan-pi> is there a seperate notebook for pulse audio? :-P
[18:02] <daftykins> i don't run desktop Linux so no
[18:03] <daftykins> someone has asked me to look at some Apple toys, soon... >_<
[18:03] <zmoylan-pi> an apple newton? :-)
[18:04] <daftykins> they want to move away from an ISP email account (ugh) to an iCloud account (even more ugh)
[18:04] <zmoylan-pi> drone envy... http://www.gizmag.com/volocopter-manned-flight/42704/
[18:07] <ali1234> i finally got it to work
[18:07] <ali1234> all you have to do is echo nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> > /etc/resolv.conf
[18:08] <daftykins> that seems like a bit of an oversighty
[18:08] <daftykins> -y
[18:08] <ali1234> yeah
[18:08] <ali1234> i also got usb working in virtualbox, but it turns out windows 10 doesn't have wifi drivers
[18:08] <ali1234> so that idea didn't work
[18:09] <daftykins> for your specific adapter? that's a surprise
[18:09] <ali1234> might go and troll ##windows with that one later
[18:10] <daftykins> doesn't hurt to check that 'checking windows update' for drivers is on, though it likely will be in 10
[18:10] <zmoylan-pi> you need a wifi cable... :-) http://www.mikeapollo.co.uk/geek-humour/can-you-spot-whats-wrong-here/
[18:10] <daftykins> start -> change device installation settings
[18:10] <ali1234> yes it is on
[18:11] <ali1234> but i don't need it to work at this point
[19:34] <ali1234> results so far: upstart doesn't work, sshd doesn't work, dbus doesn't work
[19:41] <ali1234> X11 doesn't work due to some kind of network error
[19:41] <diddledan> yeah MS hacked their own init
[19:41] <ali1234> basically nothing works
[19:42] <daftykins> what about the stuff they said it was meant for?
[19:42] <ali1234> bash runs
[19:42] <ali1234> you can run bash
[19:43] <ali1234> cupsd works somehow
[19:46] <ali1234> apache doesn't work, so forget about using this for webdev
[19:46] <daftykins> SSH client all good?
[19:47] <ali1234> yeah, as long as you only want to run bash on the remote server
[19:47] <ali1234> anything that uses ncurses doesn't work
[19:48] <ali1234> if you want to ssh out of a windows machine you're probably better off using putty
[19:48] <ali1234> it's certainly a lot easier to install
[19:49] <ali1234> still, this is slightly more useful than OS X shell
[19:49] <diddledan> really?
[19:49] <ali1234> yes. the selection of software that is available and works is roughly the same
[19:50] <ali1234> except unlike OS X, i don't have to put up with outdated BSD versions of tools like tar
[19:51] <ali1234> outside of coreutils nothing really works on either
[20:14] <ali1234> also the ability to use a keyboard with a sensible layout will be useful
[20:15] <ali1234> i won't need to keep a browser window open so i can copy&paste symbols like ~ and |
[20:16] <zmoylan-pi> isn't there a way to alt-nnn them with ascii value of character? used to love that in dos... probably unicode now
[20:16] <daftykins> that's still the only way i know to do some characters :(
[20:18] <zmoylan-pi> alt 156 for £ when keyboard driver not working/configured/installed
[20:18] <zmoylan-pi> fun and games...
[20:18] <daftykins> mmm prawn risotto
[20:22]  * zmoylan-pi has cheeses been chilled for tomorrows d&d game...
[20:22] <daftykins> ooh, are they fine foreign cheese?
[20:22] <daftykins> *cheeses
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> nah, baby bel. but really nice to nibble on at games
[20:23] <daftykins> :)
[20:32] <zmoylan-pi> that with pretzels from lidl, tesco branded plain chocolate and it'll be fine dining... :-P
[20:34] <mapps> hi
[20:34] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[20:35] <daftykins> allo
[21:43] <m0nkey|web> anyone else see spacex stick the landing?
[21:43] <diddledan> which one?
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> https://twitter.com/j00zt1n/status/718542884836929536/photo/1
[21:43] <daftykins> indeedy
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> the latest one tonight
[21:44] <diddledan> ooh, on a boat
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> one slightly scorched boat
[21:46] <Velus-universe> hello im folling this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixVirtualMailBoxClamSmtpHowto and i get to  this bit Make Dovecot listen for authentication requests and it says the code needs to be updated for newer version? can someone help me with this bit please?
[21:46] <daftykins> #ubuntu-server might be more useful
[21:47] <Velus-universe> ok thanks
[21:48] <diddledan> this is why we need a documentation guy
[21:48] <daftykins> mmhmm
[21:48] <diddledan> there's far too many out-of-date documents on ubuntu.com
[21:49] <Velus-universe> yeah
[21:49] <diddledan> some of them reference 09.04
[21:49] <daftykins> been a while since i checked out the community Unreal Tournament edition, downloading now \o/
[21:49] <diddledan> err, 9.04
[21:49] <daftykins> diddledan: wow that new? :)
[21:49] <diddledan> aye
[21:52] <Velus-universe> i think everyone in ubuntu-server is a sleep now
[21:52] <daftykins> is this a simple home mail setup?
[21:52] <Velus-universe> and i want to get this working asoon as atm
[21:53] <Velus-universe> yes and no, it si a simple mail setup but for a server not home
[21:53] <daftykins> so how many users?
[21:53] <Velus-universe> aprox will be about 10
[21:53] <daftykins> small business?
[21:53] <Velus-universe> yes
[21:54] <daftykins> i'd go google apps or office 365 personally.
[21:54] <Velus-universe> i would prefer it on my own server
[21:54] <daftykins> ok, but the cost in time will stack up when you're new to managing it :)
[21:55] <Velus-universe> i have done one before (used mysql for the db and users) but i just want this simple nto like befofre
[21:57] <Velus-universe> i do currently use zoho for my mail but im having to many problems with it
[21:57] <daftykins> never heard of that
[21:58] <Velus-universe> its like gmail apps
[21:58] <daftykins> google
[21:58] <Velus-universe> yeah
[21:58] <Velus-universe> zoho.com/
[22:00] <daftykins> are you sure you can't find an example dovecot configuration for your intended protocols of choice online in another guide?
[22:02] <Velus-universe> mi looking now
[22:33] <daftykins> hrmm ATA bus errors booting a Linux after UT made win10 BSOD - looks like my intel 160GB X25-M G2 has finally died
[22:35] <daftykins> mercy mercy me, she thinks she's 600PB :D
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> delusions of capacity...
[22:37] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15700253/
[22:37] <daftykins> she's a beaut ;)
[22:52] <diddledan> :-o
[22:52] <diddledan> daftykins: wtf do you do to disks?!
[22:52] <diddledan> you're a bad omen
[22:52] <daftykins> ;_;
[22:53] <daftykins> it is a 7 year old SSD though
[22:53] <diddledan> lol
[22:53] <daftykins> my first ever!
[22:53] <diddledan> fair enough
[22:55] <daftykins> of course now the rest doesn't want to POST and has given up on life, too
[22:55] <daftykins> my own gear loves me so :)
[22:56] <diddledan> good job you're getting a new box
[22:57]  * diddledan finally finishing the night manager. ep 3 - there's nauthies
[22:58] <diddledan> naughties
[22:58] <daftykins> shame only half has been despatched by amazon!
[22:58] <daftykins> yay POST
[22:58] <diddledan> email
[22:58] <diddledan> nobody uses post anymore
[23:01] <daftykins> mmm that's true
[23:22] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mr6ahpmv86bh92j/IMG-20160409-WA0000.jpeg?dl=0
[23:27] <zmoylan-pi> i have a grand isa vga card you can have... :-P
[23:30] <zmoylan-pi> i think i might be even able to lay my hands on a cga card if the new system is not up to it... :-P
[23:32] <daftykins> nothing wrong with the card, just can't get to the CMOS reset when it's in
[23:33] <zmoylan-pi> now that is annoying
[23:33] <zmoylan-pi> not even with a pen nib?
[23:33] <daftykins> nah, it's right under the card - and the angle of attack is blocked by the segment segregating the PSU
[23:34] <daftykins> little blighter won't POST again after changing card
[23:34] <daftykins> i don't have the patience for this age gear anymore :)


[04:14] <Kilos> o/
[06:27] <dholbach> good morning
[06:28] <Kilos> hi dholbach svij and others
[06:30] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[06:37] <svij> hi Kilos and dholbach
[06:37] <dholbach> hi svij
[12:57] <mave> hi
[12:57] <mave> anyone here?
[15:00] <belkinsa> o/ all
[15:00] <belkinsa> Er, wrong channel. But what, a greeting is still needed anywhere.  ;)


[16:25] <KingJ> Is there any way to get MAAS to handle multi-homed routing on provisioned clients? My nodes have several interfaces as part of an Openstack deployment, but I need them to reply on the same interface as incoming packets. Currently, even if traffic comes in on a certain interface, it'll go out on a different one that the default route is attached to.
[16:25] <KingJ> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1597541 covers roughly my scenario and was fixed a while back, but i'm not seeing it taking effect in 2.4.
[16:26] <KingJ> For example, in my case i've got two subnets configured with a default route, and one with a static route. The provisioned machine only has a single routing table across all NICs and as a result routing is inconsistent.


[00:50] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji_: That's correct.  The thinking is that a new user could accidentally hit it, opening a terminal, and terminals are scary.
[03:11] <_diablo> mr_steve, hey, what's up?
[03:12] <mr_steve> _diablo, hey
[03:12] <mr_steve> just got home from school
[03:13] <_diablo> ouch. I got back around an hour ago
[03:27] <mr_steve> so _diablo, I probably won't be able to an ubuntu hour tomorrow, but I'm planning on next friday
[03:29] <_diablo> sounds good by me :)
[03:30] <mr_steve> I should be meeting with a couple buddies about some web site they want me to work on, so I'll scout another coffeeshop near the same area while I'm at it
[03:31] <mr_steve> and then once I have a location picked out, I'll be putting it on the website, as an every-other week thing I think
[03:31] <mr_steve> tonyyarusso, ^
[03:31] <mr_steve> I just don't want to add it until the location is determined
[03:49] <_diablo> yeah, I agree
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[04:05] <mr_steve> That said, I gotta go to bed in a most serious way. Class at 09:00.
[04:05] <_diablo> nn
[04:10] <Takyoji_> While I usually have to be at school at 8:10 am :P
[04:10] <Takyoji_> But luckily I don't have school tomorrow
[05:26] <Takyoji_> Didn't Skype release a library for the Skype protocol, so that a person could build a GUI on top of it?
[05:26] <Takyoji_> or integrate it
[05:27] <Takyoji_> That would actually be pretty nice if it was integrated into Pidgin or Empathy..
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> No, they released the GUI.
[05:28] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, but when you look at it, you can see how to integrate with the gui
[05:28] <Takyoji_> WOO http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/12/0158223/Facebook-Now-Supports-JabberXMPP
[05:28] <Takyoji_> And the villagers cheered in sheer joy!
[05:28] <_diablo> e.g. you can use skype chat in pidgin, but you have to have the program open as well
[05:29]  * Takyoji_ leaps with joy
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> Bottom line:  Skype is still a proprietary protocol, so screw it.
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> (Not to mention the CIA appeasement and whatnot)
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji_: Yes, WOO to that.  Although it's not federated, so muted woo.
[05:30] <Takyoji_> Meaning that isn't able to be used between servers, or?
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> Meaning that you can't use a GTalk account to chat with a Facebook user.
[05:31] <_diablo> correct
[05:35] <Takyoji_> Ahh
[05:43] <Takyoji_> Yay, Empathy fails to authorize
[05:44] <Takyoji_> Whether it be their server's implementation, or just the usual abnormal nature of Empathy
[05:56] <Takyoji_> and it's fun to think that authentication is handled using MD5
[05:56] <Takyoji_> and no TLS/SSL support
[05:58] <_diablo> ugh
[06:00] <Takyoji_> If I was a cryptologist, I'd just use ROT13 as encryption! :D
[06:00] <Takyoji_> [not]
[06:00] <Takyoji_> It'd be FLAWLESS
[06:01] <Takyoji_> :P
[06:01] <Takyoji_> How much processing overhead does TLS usually cause though?
[06:01] <Takyoji_> For like lets say 512-bit
[06:01] <Takyoji_> AES perhaps
[06:03] <Takyoji_> Oh stupid me, I was accidentally trying to create an account on the Facebook XMPP server
[06:53] <Takyoji_> Ooo fun, apparently work on mt-daapd ended like 2 years ago
[06:54] <tonyyarusso> Wait, really?
[06:55] <tonyyarusso> oh, I think I remember what replaced it - tangerine.
[06:57] <Takyoji_> Firefly is the new name for mt-daapd
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> https://edge.launchpad.net/tangerine/ - last release was in August.
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji_: yeah, but Firefly hasn't been touched since 2008.
[06:57] <Takyoji_> ahh
[06:59] <Takyoji_> I just love the style of the GNOME iconset, or anything matching it's aesthetics norm
[16:31] <h00k> Are you guys doing anything planned yet for the Global Jam?
[16:32] <tonyyarusso> No?
[16:32]  * tonyyarusso doesn't even know when that is
[16:32] <tonyyarusso> I wonder what we would have the skills for.
[16:38] <h00k> tonyyarusso: I'll forward an email I got to the mailing list, if that's alright
[16:39] <tonyyarusso> h00k: sure.  Basically, "don't piss people off" is the rule of mailing lists :P
[18:26] <Takyoji> I wonder if OpenOffice 3.2 will be available in Lucid Lynx
[18:28] <_diablo> Takyoji, I hope so!
[18:28] <Takyoji> because I just have this feeling like it won't be available due some version freeze months ago or something
[18:29] <Takyoji> I just wish there was a simple method of installing a newer version of an application, rather than the main one associated with the distribution version.
[18:30] <_diablo> it's not hard.... I just did it in 10 minutes about a day ago
[18:31] <Takyoji> I know I've done it before; it just feels disorderly of installing from a PPA that doesn't even sign the packages
[18:32] <Takyoji> apparently as the new homepage screen for Firefox in the Lucid release: http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[18:33] <_diablo> and that's one of the many reasons why I won't be running Ubuntu on any of my machines after 9.10 fades
[19:05] <tonyyarusso> !info openoffice.org lucid
[19:05] <ubot3> openoffice.org: full-featured office productivity suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.1.1-5ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 5 kB, installed size 52 kB (Only available for armel i386 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 amd64 ia64 lpia ppc64 s390x sparc all arm)
[19:06] <tonyyarusso> oh yeah, ubot3 doesn't have lucid yet for some reason
[19:07] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji, _diablo: openoffice.org (source: openoffice.org): full-featured office productivity suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 4 kB, installed size 44  kB (Only available for armel i386 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 amd64 ia64 ppc64 s390x sparc hppa all arm)
[19:07] <mr_steve> yay fridays
[19:07] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: And all PPAs have package signing now.
[19:08] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: psssh, who actually uses the home page anyway?
[19:08] <Takyoji> done by Launchpad?
[19:09] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: yup.
[19:09] <tonyyarusso> I believe the keys are per-PPA though.
[19:09] <mr_steve> Yep. per-PPA
[19:24] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, sigh. that's not the point I'm making and we all know it :)
[19:24] <_diablo> this argument has been hashed out in better places that here by better people than us.  We can agree to disagree ;)
[19:27] <_diablo> brb
[19:32] <Takyoji> When does Yahoo officially become Bing in some form?
[21:01] <Takyoji> Google Chrome seems to be under heavy fire of exploitation discovery it seems
[21:02] <Takyoji> Pretty much every time I check Secunia there's a slew of new vulnerabilities found