[00:36] <HypothesisFrog> hi. Just upgraded to ubuntu studio 20.04. The problem I'm having is that applications take a really long time to load.  Could my old user config files be causing the new system some confusion?
[00:40] <sarnold> HypothesisFrog: I've heard that some of the applications packaged as snaps are slower to start than the older .deb versions, but haven't tested myself
[00:42] <HypothesisFrog> sarnold, does sudo apt-get use snaps?
[00:42] <genii> Sort of a trick question
[00:42] <sarnold> HypothesisFrog: some deb packages do install snaps as part of their processing; eg apt install chromium-browser or lxd will do a postinst snap install chromium-browser or snap install lxd
[00:43] <genii> Chromium, yes, is the one I was reminded of
[00:47] <designbybeck> Ubuntu 20.04 on Samsung Notebook 9 Pro. ....No Sound? ANyone else have this issues?
[00:48] <sarnold> designbybeck: usually running pavucontrol is enough to help folks find out what to change
[00:48] <designbybeck> sarnold is that in Ubuntu by default?
[00:48] <designbybeck> run it in the CLI?
[00:49] <sarnold> designbybeck: it's a gui program, so you can launch it however you like; I'm not sure if it's installed by default or not
[00:50] <designbybeck> so that is the default audio site
[00:51] <designbybeck> audio program
[00:52] <HypothesisFrog> Wish I could solve the problem. I'm used to applications loading instantly. Not waiting 5-10 seconds.
[00:52] <HypothesisFrog> sarnold,
[00:57] <HypothesisFrog> Hang on.  I'll try that.
[00:58] <HypothesisFrog> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230620/ubuntu-20-04-gnome-very-slow
[01:00] <HypothesisFrog> yep. Much better.
[01:02] <sarnold> HypothesisFrog: hah, how the heck did you get anything useful out of that post? well done, anyway :)
[01:19] <glitsj16> I'm dual-booting Ubuntu 16.04 and Arch Linux and I face a somewhat complicated GRUB issue. The default grub-pc version on xenial generates 'initrd /boot/intel-ucode.img' for all the Arch Linux stanzas instead of 'initrd /boot/intel-ucode.img /boot/initramfs-linux.img' (because arch deals differently with the microcode loading). So while not incorrect, it does mean I have to manually edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg all the time. Is there a more
[01:19] <glitsj16> elegant way to do this?
[01:24] <vimart> I'm downloading now Xubuntu 20.04 let's see how's it.
[01:38] <Raymond_G> Hi, I have a question about Ubuntu LivePatch and ESM for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
[01:38] <Raymond_G> It says on the site that it is limited to 3 computers per user
[01:39] <Raymond_G> I have just erased my hard drive to upgrade to an SSD and setup livepatch and esm on this new install, do I have to manually remove the other devices somewhere?
[01:55] <NathanKoch> I have booze in my blood, You want an earful GCHQ!
[01:56] <NathanKoch> I hear by Nathan Koch denounce the Crown and any allegiances to it and the Government of Saskatchewan!
[01:57] <NathanKoch> aswell as the Government of Canada.
[01:59] <housecat> ok.
[01:59] <Eickmeyer> Mildly entertaining.
[02:01] <zhanx> mildly
[02:31] <bitblit> anyone know how to set the max/crit values that "sensors" returns for the CPU? mine default to 95C
[02:41] <JoshuaD> I've got a home-entertainment system dedicated to running Kodi and RetroPie. The machine is plugged into a large TV and primiarly controlled with an xbox-style controller, but also has a wireless mouse and keyboard when needed.  Which Desktop Environment do you think would be most comfortable for this sort of setup?
[02:42] <JoshuaD> (I go to the desktop for troubleshooting and occasionally opening up websites in a browser)
[02:54] <leftyfb> JoshuaD: Please ask for opinions on software in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:55] <JoshuaD> k ty
[03:00] <Mordoc> JoshuaD: While this isn't the forum for this ask around about XFCE...see you on #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:07] <frib> I need to run a bash script with cron. Cron is running and executing commands I put in crontab but will not execute my script correctly that otherwise runs fine from the terminal
[03:08] <frib> it's a one line script that runs a program with 2 arguments
[03:12] <Bashing-om> frib: A thought: full paths in both the crontab and your script ?
[03:13] <frib> Bashing-om, yes but at this point I'm trying to just run the program directly from crontab to take the script element out of it and even that's not working
[03:13] <frib> things like echo, date work but not my program
[03:16] <Bashing-om> frib: Access rights ? set as executable ?
[03:16] <frib> Bashing-om, apparently I made a dumb mistake in my command
[03:16] <frib> as usual
[03:17] <frib> sorry about that
[03:17] <Bashing-om> frib: What matters most is there is resolution :D
[03:18] <frib> yes, but will things like `date` work in cron?
[03:20] <Bashing-om> frib: in the cron ' /bin/date
[03:20] <Bashing-om> ' ?
[03:20] <frib> date works fine without /bin
[03:20] <frib> but `date` will not resolve
[03:21] <frib> (why I wanted to run a script)
[03:21] <frib> but that is not working
[03:21] <frib> I tried /bin/bash /full/path/script.sh but no
[03:28] <frib> its the SHELL= PATH=
[03:42] <merpnderp> Is NodeSource the normal way to install node on Ubuntu now?
[04:13] <kvndy> I just started using my 2017 Macbook Pro 14,1 again because audio broke on my little Dell inspiron running Ubuntu 18. Apple just keeps getting worse and worse. I tried installing Ubuntu on the MBP but there are hardware issues
[04:14] <kvndy> Ironically, what prompted this was audio breaking on my Dell Inspiron running Ubuntu, but on the 2017 MBP audio is not supported!
[04:16] <kvndy> Apple broke basic dragging behavior with the trackpad. "tap to drag without drag lock" no longer works as it used to. There is now a delay, making every single interaction with every slider, scrubber, combo box, or window drag a broken and confusing experience
[04:16] <SomethingGeneric> Hey all! I'm confused about the layout of my boot drive. The built-in "Disks
[04:16] <SomethingGeneric> " program shows my SSD as having two 249 paritions, which is impossible given that my entire ssd is only 256 gb.
[04:17] <SomethingGeneric> And I also have two FAT32 "boot paritions", at least according to Disks
[04:40] <SomethingGeneric> Hey guys, I have a question that’s (partially) Ubuntu related. I’m following  the LFS boot, and when building the kernel, there’s a warning that says “if your system has a separate /boot partition, you need to do <x>.” My host machine only has Ubuntu on it, and I told the installer to put everything in one partition. However, according to Disks, I do have one separate partition mounted as /boot/efi.
[04:40] <SomethingGeneric> Is that what’s they’re referring to as the boot partition? Or is that a re-mounted sub-directory as it appears to my naïve eyes..?
[04:59] <barg> SomethingGeneric- not sure if you'll get this 'cos you seem to be offline but there is a #lfs
[05:37] <jwash> hi everyone, I want to strip out html table tags from a document, removing everything from < opening to > closing
[05:37] <kenperkins> what does that have to do with ubuntu? :D
[05:37] <jwash> how would i match <font size="2">
[05:38] <jwash> bash is used by ubuntu right
[05:38] <jwash> this is an ubuntu computer
[06:12] <banisterfiend> up tto
[06:21] <exit70[m]> hi, is it just me or ubuntu boot splash has always been a little janky?
[06:24] <rfm> exit70[m], so who cares? not like you're looking at it for more than 10 seconds/
[06:25] <exit70[m]> i don't care that much. but some friendly distro like opensuse seems to be better in that regard. just curious about the reason behind it.
[06:25] <rfm> exit70[m], and yeah, I shouldn't get sucked into this, gn
[07:00] <halvors> When will Ubuntu mainline ppa be updated with the latest upstream kernel?
[07:01] <ducasse> halvors: when it's ready, we don't know any more than you
[07:01] <halvors> I mean the lastest stable release 5.6.12
[07:01] <halvors> Is there automation in building latest tagged stable release?
[07:02] <ducasse> try #ubuntu-kernel, maybe?
[07:02] <halvors> ok thanks.
[07:03] <halcyforn> hello
[07:06] <halcyforn> maybe someone can tell me what can be wrong. my wifi intel card on linux detect only 2 networks, and can easy cut lost connection. on windows wi-fi card detect 30 networks.
[07:11] <CQ3> halcyforn, sounds like a driver issue. figure out what card it is, what driver it is using, and google ...
[07:13] <halcyforn> what command show me what driver i use i dont remember this
[07:14] <CQ> https://askubuntu.com/questions/96333/what-wireless-driver-am-i-using
[07:59] <pi0> apart from tmux what other app to seperate terminal sessions is there https://imgur.com/a/gSzqe7S
[07:59] <CQ> pi0, screens ?
[08:00] <pi0> is that sceeens
[08:00] <pi0> the user was able to resize with mouse
[08:01] <CQ> not sure, but if you search terminal screens resize mouse, or maybe "screen resize curses" you might find our
[08:01] <CQ> out
[08:02] <ocean> pi0: probably guake terminal
[08:09] <ocean> pi0: Using & lovin' it, powerful. With only couple of hotkeys, calling/hiding it, shifting through various terminals and yes, split (both horizontally, vertically)
[08:10] <ThinkT510> looks like a tiling window manger
[08:14] <pi0> i thought it was like i3wm
[08:14] <pi0> but it wasnt
[08:16] <ducasse> pi0: if you want several terminals in one window you can also try terminator
[08:21] <pi0> nice!
[08:21] <pi0> thank you
[09:16] <mesaboogie> pi0: tilix --- another tiling terminal
[09:49] <MikiSoft> hello, i'm trying to setup postfix with dovecot-lmtp but i'm getting connection refused error
[09:49] <MikiSoft> May 12 12:21:29 2nrl postfix/lmtp[19237]: CE2B4A1553<EMAIL_ADDRESS>relay=none, delay=992, delays=992/0.06/0.02/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mail.gournet.co[private/dovecot-lmtp]: Connection refused)
[09:49] <MikiSoft> can anyone help me? i'll send the config files
[10:01] <Deano59> hi, if I setup "encrypt" my local /home - how can I change my root/user password? I tried and couldn't login. when I changed the password back to my old one I could login fine.
[10:02] <EriC^^> Deano59: you need to change the wrapped passphrase, wrap it with your new password
[10:03] <EriC^^> Deano59: i think though if you use the gui stuff for changing the password it might do that stuff for you
[10:03] <Deano59> EriC^^: I didn't create a passphrase when it asked me to, I clicked close. is that bad?
[10:04] <EriC^^> re-run it i guess
[10:04] <mgedmin> hmm, I would expect pam_ecryptfs to re-wrap the passphrase when you change your password using passwd
[10:04] <mgedmin> (or the gui bits)
[10:05] <Deano59> what's qui?
[10:05] <Deano59> how do I re-run it?
[10:06] <Deano59> sorry, never done it before.
[10:06] <mgedmin> gui is a Graphical User Interface, by which we mean gnome-control-center's Users panel
[10:06] <mgedmin> how did you change your password, exactly?
[10:06] <Deano59> "sudo passwd *name*"
[10:17] <mgedmin> ah!
[10:17] <mgedmin> don't do that
[10:18] <mgedmin> do just 'passwd', or if you're not logged in as yourself, sudo -u name passwd
[10:18] <mgedmin> sudo passwd doesn't ask for the old password, so the pam_ecryptfs module is unable to unwrap the passphrase, and therefore it's unable to re-wrap it
[10:19] <doomlist3> what is the fastest server for downloading
[10:19] <mgedmin> bittorrent, I'm sure
[10:19] <doomlist3> It's currently 1MBps but I have 5MBps connection for installing programs using apt install xxx
[10:19] <doomlist3> i am talking for apt servers not torrents
[10:24] <doomlist3> in ubuntu 18.04.4 where is software sources in settings?
[10:24] <Deano59> mgedmin: "sudo -u *name* passwd" ?
[10:25] <MikiSoft> anyone works with postix and dovecot?
[10:26] <doomlist3> where is software properties in settings
[10:26] <doomlist3> they keep changing the interface
[10:26] <doomlist3> ubuntu has become like windows
[10:27] <Deano59> thanks mgedmin that done the trick!!!
[10:28] <doomlist3> Deano59: pm
[10:29] <Deano59> please don't PM doomlist3, ask in the channel.
[10:33] <doomlist3> Deano59: ok in gui settings where is software sources
[10:33] <Deano59> what DE?
[10:34] <Deano59> mine is under start > prefrences
[10:34] <doomlist3> ubuntu has unity
[10:34] <doomlist3> there is no start in ubuntu
[10:34] <Deano59> ...
[10:34] <Deano59> there is but OK. if you're using unity, just search for it.
[10:35] <doomlist3> ok under software and updates
[10:35] <Deano59> mine is under start > preferences
[10:35] <doomlist3> which version are you using
[10:35] <Deano59> 20.04
[10:36] <doomlist3> maybe they added start in 20.04
[10:37] <Deano59> depends on your DE.
[10:37] <doomlist3> Vimgur.com/wSMiRlal.png
[10:37] <doomlist3> my DE is default unity i guess... i didn't install any new DE
[10:38] <ThinkT510> doomlist3: the default in 20.04 is not unity, it is gnome-shell
[10:38] <Deano59> you can search in unity for software sources...
[10:38] <Deano59> not sure what problem you're having.
[10:53] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:54] <Deano59> sup BluesKaj
[11:43] <Aktive> massive bug
[11:43] <Aktive> 2 cursors on the screen
[12:07] <pnwise> What is snap on the server release used for?
[13:04] <RoseBus> what's a good tool for reading .md files?
[13:04] <stephpdale_> cat
[13:04] <RoseBus> yea but cat doesn't have any formatting
[13:10] <wedr> nano
[13:10] <stephpdale_> wedr Alt+Tab
[13:10] <stephpdale_> Also vim is better
[13:10] <wedr> vim reads Markdown?
[13:11] <stephpdale_> vim reads everything
[13:11] <wedr> in that case, why not just get the more optimum solution.   "sudo apt-get install snap && snap install code && code"
[13:13] <Woet> ew snap
[13:13] <g105b> Hello Ubuntuers! I just bought a Logitech webcam, and it is too dark. Please can someone suggest some software that I can use to configure the webcam?
[13:16] <RoseBus> good luck... logitech didn't support my wireless mouse
[13:16] <g105b> Well the webcam works just fine, but I need to configure the brightness, just without hacking inside config files if possible.
[13:18] <Zenn> Hello
[13:18] <Zenn> I need help I cant install 20.04
[13:19] <Zenn> https://imgur.com/undefined
[13:20] <Zenn> https://imgur.com/a/3fz9i6r
[13:20] <Zenn> can someone help me on this
[13:20] <Zenn> if I go through the normal disk check it auto shut down my Lapto
[13:20] <Zenn> if I go through the normal disk check it auto shut down my Laptop
[13:24] <Zenn> anyone able to help me please?
[13:26] <g105b> Can you launch into Grub menu?
[13:26] <mgedmin> that's a disk error ("access beyond end of device")
[13:27] <mgedmin> is /dev/sdb the USB drive were you stashed your 20.04 image?  could it be the device is actually too small to contain it?
[13:27] <Zenn> my usb 32gb
[13:27] <mgedmin> 20.04 desktop iso is 2.7GB, so it should definitely fit
[13:28] <Zenn> yeah why does it do as such ?
[13:28] <Zenn> anyway I can troubleshoot it?
[13:28] <g105b> Oh, Zenn are you currently trying to boot from USB or have you installed to your HDD and trying to boot as normal?
[13:28] <Zenn> could it be it failed to write the iso properly ?
[13:28] <Zenn> I want to install to my SSD
[13:28] <Zenn> as in make it my primary booting laptop and get rid of windows
[13:32] <Zenn> g105b, https://imgur.com/a/ph5sw59
[13:32] <Zenn> is this correct?
[13:33] <mgedmin> is the file limit on FAT32 2 GB or 4 GB?
[13:34] <mgedmin> I'm not familiar with this 'Rufus' tool
[13:34] <Zenn> what tool you recommand ?
[13:34] <g105b> Looks good to me Zenn.
[13:34] <g105b> mgedmin Rufus is recommended on https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[13:34] <mgedmin> you can dd if=ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/YOURUSBDEVICE
[13:35] <mgedmin> (this will wipe the entire USB drive)
[13:35] <g105b> mgedmin he's on Windows.
[13:36] <mgedmin> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#1-overview
[13:36] <mgedmin> it would be really funny if the official tutorial recommended a tool that can't handle the ISO size
[13:38] <mgedmin> the rufus website mentions "Improve support for Ubuntu 20.04" in the changelog for version 3.10
[13:38] <mgedmin> so, hm, what else could it be?
[13:39] <mgedmin> is the iso image downloaded successfully?  can you check the file size?
[13:39] <mgedmin> I wonder why the filename has a (2) in front of .iso in your screenshot
[13:41] <jonvonb> umm.. https://send.firefox.com seems broken. Attempts to log in from up-to-date 19.04 and 20.04 machines fails with the "Something went wrong" error page.
[13:41] <jonvonb> Works just fine using chrome on those same machines. Go figure.
[13:42] <jonvonb> It's only fails when logging in via firefox
[13:46] <stephpdale> I hope you mean Chromium not Chrome
[13:49] <Zenn> lol
[13:49] <Zenn> it does not work
[13:51] <Zenn> after pressing Ubuntu it goes into disk check after casper something it turns off my Laptop
[13:51] <Zenn> could Ubuntu 20.04 have a Bug for Asus Laptop
[13:52] <SpudDogg7> good morning
[13:52] <Zenn> good morning there is a Bug in Ubuntu
[13:52] <Zenn> it does not install on My Laptop at all
[13:53] <stephpdale> zenguy Boot it again
[13:53] <stephpdale> Zenn ^
[13:53] <stephpdale> And then press Control + C
[13:53] <stephpdale> When it begins checking
[13:53] <Zenn> I did that
[13:54] <Zenn> this happens stephpdale
[13:54] <Zenn> https://imgur.com/a/3fz9i6r
[13:54] <stephpdale> Zenn Tried safe graphics mode too?
[13:54] <Zenn> how ?
[13:55] <stephpdale> Zenn When the colored screen appears with the two icons, right after you select the boot option for Ubuntu
[13:55] <stephpdale> Press one of the arrow keys or escape
[13:55] <Zenn> okay let me try and get back to you all
[13:55] <Zenn> hope it works
[13:55] <stephpdale> Then use the arrow keys to select the Try Ubuntu without installing (Safe Graphics) and hit enter
[13:55] <mgedmin> Zenn: have you checked if the ISO image you downloaded is complete?  it should be 2.7 gigs in size
[13:56] <mgedmin> since the failure happens during _disk check_, and the error is about _disk I/O_, I bet safe graphics isn't going to help any
[13:56] <mgedmin> (and once again I missed them)
[14:00] <Zenn> stephdale
[14:01] <Zenn> I made a video
[14:01] <Zenn> looks like you guys got a Bug in Ubuntu
[14:01] <Zenn> https://streamable.com/faz9xp
[14:01] <Zenn> hopefully you can find something in it
[14:02] <mgedmin> Zenn: have you checked if the ISO image you downloaded is complete?  it should be 2.7 gigs in size
[14:02] <Zenn> it is completed
[14:02] <Zenn> I redownloaded and install again just to be sure
[14:02] <Zenn> you should see that Video
[14:02] <Zenn> I think there is a Bug in Ubuntu, as I never encounter any issues with installing Ubuntu before.
[14:05] <mgedmin> ah, this time there's no disk i/o error, just a bunch of noveau stall messages and then a sudden reboot: Power off
[14:05] <Zenn> well yeah it is like this
[14:06] <Zenn> are you a developer?
[14:06] <mgedmin> I am a software developer, but I'm not an ubuntu developer
[14:06] <Zenn> oh lol
[14:06] <Zenn> well let me try using safe graphic and try to boot up
[14:31] <zenn> Hello
[14:31] <zenn> safe graphic install works
[14:31] <zenn> Im able to boot up from Ubuntu now
[14:31] <eldowan> I'm trying to find out how to trend bandwidth usage over time by IP address. The realtime bandwidth /network usage monitors aren't exactly what I'm looking for. Are there good options?
[14:31] <zenn> thanks for the help everyone but it is odd I hope they fix it
[14:33] <wedr> Anyone knows how to get the Dash-to-Dock Gnome3 extension's version?
[14:42] <zenn> thank you guys
[14:42] <zenn> I will take my leave hopefully they fix the issue with the normal boot up
[14:43] <mgedmin> looks like I made the right choice when I decided to avoid nvidia when picking my latest laptop
[14:43] <mgedmin> 10-15 fps in subnautica, but at least no problems in ubuntu
[14:45] <zenn> well why would nvida cost such a issue
[14:45] <zenn> are you refering to my issue?
[14:49] <mgedmin> nvidia doesn't provide any hardware documentation or source for their video drivers, which makes it hard to support nvidia hardware in linux
[14:50] <mgedmin> the choice is between reverse-engineered open drivers that are buggy and slow, and nvidia-provided binary drivers that are buggy and might not support all the other OS component versions like the kernel
[14:50] <enriooooooo> im using ubuntu 16.04 , suddenly all fonts are disappeared
[14:50] <enriooooooo> even the terminal fonts
[14:51] <Deano59> can we get RPI4 support here?
[14:53] <zenn> oh lol
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Deano59, try #raspberrypi chat
[15:07] <DocMors> is there a dedicated server chat?
[15:15] <tieinv> #ubuntu-server
[15:20] <NoiseEee> Hi folks, I have a silly question... on one server when I SSH in, I get a nice message and updates about packages needing updating, or the server needing to be rebooted. On another server (same Ubuntu OS), when I SSH in, I just get the command prompt. How can I make that second server show me information when logging in, like the first?
[15:20] <ewomer> How does one install the real 440.82+ Nvidia drivers and not the 440.82+really.440.64-0ubuntu6 versions?
[15:22] <leftyfb> ewomer: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-440
[15:23] <leftyfb> NoiseEee: what version of ubuntu on both of the severs?
[15:23] <leftyfb> NoiseEee: the exact version
[15:25] <ewomer> leftyfb: nvidia-driver-440 is already the newest version (440.82+really.440.64-0ubuntu6).
[15:25] <leftyfb> ewomer: that is the "real" 440.82 nvidia driver
[15:26] <NoiseEee> leftyfb: 16.04
[15:26] <leftyfb> NoiseEee: lsb_release -ds
[15:27] <NoiseEee> leftyfb: Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS on both
[15:28] <leftyfb> NoiseEee: who built them? Seems like they're not built the same. Are they VPS's or cloud containers of some sort?
[15:41] <NoiseEee> found it leftyfb... PrintMotd in /etc/ssh/sshd_config was set to 'no' on one server
[15:42] <leftyfb> NoiseEee: like I said, the 2 servers were built differently
[15:44] <DocMors> tieinv, thanks
[15:46] <kur1j> what is the "new" method for simply restarting a network device on the CLI?
[15:47] <tieinv> DocMors: your welcome
[15:49] <ewomer> leftyfb: its really 440.64 not 440.82
[15:50] <ewomer> Reported by nvidia-settings
[15:50] <enriooooooo> im using ubuntu 16.04 , suddenly all fonts are disappeared
[15:51] <oerheks> enriooooooo, you said that before, what did you do before that?
[15:52] <enriooooooo> well i just put my laptop in suspended mode
[15:52] <enriooooooo> and reopen with fonts disappeared
[15:53] <ioria> firewall
[15:54] <oerheks> oh, not suddenly, but a suspend issue
[15:55] <blahboybaz> How do I fix it if when I try to add a repository and get 404 error and it says there is no release file. It is from a very popular and well-known package and I'm shocked to get this with them.
[15:55] <enriooooooo> how do i fix oerheks
[15:56] <oerheks> enriooooooo, not surehow to reload them, reboot?
[15:57] <enriooooooo> reboot or restart of lightdm is not the right solution :/
[15:57] <blahboybaz> enriooooooo:  oerheks: I did not catch the question (just came in) but are you trying to load a configuration file?  "source" command does that with some things and there is systemctl command too
[16:01] <oerheks> enriooooooo, sure, it is not a solution, but can you try it and recreate the issue again?? then you could file a bugreport, but it depends on the tasks you were doing, browser [pages and such
[16:03] <enriooooooo> well i really don't want to close all of the things at this point.
[16:07] <blahboybaz> I sort of figured it out. I got what I need installed and now my repositories stuff is corrupted but I don't feel like dealing with it at the momemnt. Thanks
[16:09] <oerheks> blahboybaz, on what ubuntu version, what repository?
[16:15] <vtx> hi folks o/ i'm getting the following errors on 18.04 when using apt-get: `curl: (56) OpenSSL SSL_read: SSL_ERROR_SYSCALL, errno 104'`; has anyone else had trouble with the same error? is there a known fix for this?
[16:17] <oerheks> vtx, what ar you trying to install? can you share the full output on paste.ubuntu.com please?
[16:21] <ubique> I have a problem, does anybody have any ideas?    https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HJCRnzN85K/
[16:25] <akem> ubique, Did you do "apt-get update" before the upgrade?
[16:26] <ubique> #akem yes
[16:27] <oerheks> ubique, looks like this bugreport https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker/+bug/1839054
[16:27] <oerheks> fix in answer #1 ;; sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-firmware-raspi2_1.20190215-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_armhf.deb
[16:41] <Val_K> hi, I have a problem with my fstab: it doesn't mount my network drive at boot. If I mount it manually with "sudo mount -a" all is good, but it doesn't work at boot. This is the line in my fstab: //192.168.0.XXX/[name of resource]/     /media/[name of resource]/     cifs username=[username],password=[password],auto,iocharset=utf8,vers=1.0      0
[16:41] <Val_K> 0 I suspect it doesn't mount the drive because the network is not ready when fstab is run, so how can I fix it?
[16:42] <vlouvet> is it possible to use ubuntu 20.04 server with zfs support to create an rpi4 NAS? (using a single external disk via USB)
[16:42] <bjarne333> isnt there a systemd solution for this? like ordering deps
[16:42] <bjarne333> Val_K: ^
[16:43] <jayjo> I'm having trouble getting my bluetooth headphones to connect to my ubuntu desktop. Are there any resources that are helpful for debugging something like this? Are there better bluetooth packages instead of the system that I should use? Or is there any way to check if something is interfering with the system bluetooth?
[16:43] <Val_K> bjarne333, I am not aware of that
[16:44] <bjarne333> it's been years since I played with fstab. but I think it's controlled by a systemd service right? and it runs before network is ready
[16:45] <Val_K> bjarne333, I don't know the answer to your question, but as I said in my initial message I too think that fstab runs before network is ready
[16:45] <bjarne333> Val_K: try adding _netdev as option.
[16:45] <bjarne333> his will prevent the system from attempting to mount this filesystem until the network has been enabled on the system.
[16:46] <Val_K> should I keep "auto" in the options?
[16:46] <Val_K> or is it auto by default?
[16:47] <bjarne333> Val_K: i dunno. read the man page
[16:48] <Val_K> bjarne333 _netdev doesn't work. however thanks for the help
[16:49] <bjarne333> sounds like a common scenario. you should find answers on the world wide web
[16:52] <rjwiii> Ok ... so I plug my iPhone X into Ubuntu 20.04 for the first time and it comes up as a camera. I plug it in a second time and all I get is documents. Any clues?
[16:52] <Val_K> bjarne333, thanks for the suggestion, I'll google harder
[16:53] <bjarne333> rjwiii: my advice: use lsusb and journactl to see what kind of devices the iphone is presenting
[16:53] <RoseBus> hello, how can I remove a host from my known_hosts
[16:54] <bjarne333> rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[16:54] <rjwiii> RoseBus: Just edit the file, find the host you want to delete and delete it ...
[16:54] <RoseBus> but how can i determine which host is which inside the file
[16:55] <rjwiii> RoseBus: by ip address?
[16:55] <RoseBus> i dont see any ip addresses, it looks encrypted
[16:56] <bjarne333> RoseBus: ssh-keygen -R hostname
[16:56] <bjarne333> it was very easy to google
[16:57] <superboot> What is the config file precidence for Awesome Window Manager? Is there a system default that loads after the user-specific ~/.config/awesome/rc.lua?
[16:59] <rjwiii> bjarne333: lsusb: Bus 001 Device 008: ID 05ac:12a8 Apple, Inc. iPhone5/5C/5S/6, journactl has a bunch of messages "Unable to get XDG directory path for special directory $?????"
[17:03] <bjarne333> rjwiii: you are looking for something with USB device
[17:04] <rjwiii> bjarne333: I don't know if this is related, but every time I plug my iPhone in, it crashes RhythmBox ...
[17:07] <lordcirth> RoseBus, yeah, the addresses are hashed in known_hosts so that an attacker can't read what systems you have credentials to
[17:11] <rjwiii> bjarne333: journactl: May 12 10:41:43 system76-pc gnome-shell[2131]: Unable to mount volume iPhone: Gio.IOErrorEnum: Error initializing camera: -53: Could not claim the USB device
[17:11] <RoseBus> will my ssh keys still work if i delete my known_hosts file?
[17:12] <vlt> RoseBus: Yes.
[17:12] <bjarne333> rjwiii: sounds bad. they probably want you to use your mac laptop
[17:22] <thyriaen> I already have a linux setup running with grub and i would like to install ubuntu without it installing its own grub on a seperate disk - is that possible ? ( then in order to boot i would have to add the ubuntu install to the grub on my first disk )
[17:30] <donaldkbrown> Hi all. I have a separate keyring for `aws-vault`. I accidentally set it to unlock when I log-in, so it no longer asks for my separate password when doing things with aws-vault. How do I unset that?
[18:12] <tijara> hello, does anyone know how to change the default non-unicode fonts? I'm on Mint 19.3 Cinnamon and it keeps using wacky fonts for certain languages.
[18:23] <GR1M0R4CL3> hello
[18:24] <lordcirth> GR1M0R4CL3, welcome!
[18:24] <GR1M0R4CL3> hey thanks :) total noobie here !
[18:25] <Deano59> tijara: this is for ubuntu support, not Linux mint. try their irc/channel.
[18:25] <GenuineGNULinux> Your GNU/Linux copy is not activated. You may be a victim of software counterfeiting. Do you want to enter product key now?
[18:25] <mattmu> tijara: Try https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=224270
[18:26] <GenuineGNULinux> If you don't have a product key, contact me to purchase a license.
[18:26] <GenuineGNULinux> One license for one computer. How much licenses do you want to purchase?
[18:26] <Deano59> what
[18:27] <lordcirth> Usual scammers/trolls
[18:27] <sarnold> hey dho
[18:27] <GR1M0R4CL3> bought a new Dell XPS and came with 18.04 ubuntu. wondering if there are people here with same laptop but running more recent version of LTS like 20.04 for advice
[18:27] <tijara> Deano59: sorry, I assumed a Ubuntu solution would have applied since Mint is Ubuntu based
[18:27] <lordcirth> GR1M0R4CL3, wondering if it's compatible? If 18.04 is working fine, 20.04 probably will too
[18:27] <Deano59> someone do the command, I don't know it.
[18:28] <Deano59> !not ubuntu
[18:28] <Deano59> !ubuntu only
[18:28] <Deano59> I fail.
[18:28] <lordcirth> !mint
[18:28] <Deano59> tijara: ^
[18:28] <GR1M0R4CL3> well machine comes with some additional apt repositories and I have been checking the repair iso which contains also a file listing some packages. everything is working now : camera, sleep, etc so I am wondering about 20.04
[18:29] <GR1M0R4CL3> i have seen people try Fedora 32 on the 9300 model I have and they have shutdown troubles :/
[18:29] <tijara> noted, my apologies
[18:31] <GR1M0R4CL3> is there other channels beside this one for irc and ubuntu noobs ?
[18:32] <sarnold> GR1M0R4CL3: you may also like #ubuntu-discuss, there's a bit more open-ended conversation there from time to time
[18:32] <GR1M0R4CL3> thanks :)
[18:33] <sarnold> GR1M0R4CL3: I've heard that 20.04 may go further with providing oem-driver experience with the standard install media; previous releases were pretty rough in that respect, the pre-installed system might work great but if you ever reinstalled, it might be frustrating to try to get those drivers back
[18:35] <GR1M0R4CL3> i can perhaps image the whole partition. upgrade to 20.04 and see what happens. keeping a list of current packages, and the files in /etc/apt/sources
[18:35] <GR1M0R4CL3> seems i'm using a 5.0.0 kernel that is available on Launchpad + the patch
[18:36] <GR1M0R4CL3> well that 18.04 is supported until 2023 so i dont really need to move to 20.04 but i tried 20.04 on the desktop pc and gnome feels much quicker
[18:36] <sarnold> GR1M0R4CL3: backups are always good :)
[18:37] <GR1M0R4CL3> i think the m.2 has a re-installation partition.
[18:37] <ActivateYourLinu> Purchase a license now! $89 for single computer if you purchase it before I'm banned!
[18:37] <GR1M0R4CL3> until now i had to buy laptops and install linux. this one directly came with linux. and it is a joy
[18:38] <GR1M0R4CL3> just launching the camera thing and seeing my 60-days unshaven bear face because of Covid
[18:40] <tomreyn> GR1M0R4CL3: this channel is great is you have a concreate support question. for chat, please try somethign else such as #ubuntu-offtopic. for none-support Q&A but still ubuntu topics, #ubuntu.discuss can be fine.
[18:40] <GR1M0R4CL3> ok!
[19:28] <conr> loving 20.04 so far. anybody have a setup to share large files behind a vpn with ubuntu?
[19:29] <swe442> how do I disable that tapping super opens an overview?
[19:29] <swe442> on 20.04
[19:32] <Deano59> if I don't have swap enabled, swappiness doesn't apply to me, right?
[19:32] <Deano59> conr: 20.04 is awesome. I agree. ;P
[19:32] <sarnold> Deano59: excellent question, I've wondered that before
[19:33] <swe442> anyone know?
[19:34] <swe442> how do I disable the dashboard thing that gets opened when I tap super?
[19:34] <swe442> I can't find the option anywhere
[19:35] <ioria> swe442, on 18.04 is the overlay key in gsettings (i guess it's the same on 20.04) ; you can set it to null
[19:35] <swe442> ioria okay that gives me something to search, ty
[19:35] <ioria> swe442, first : gsettings get org.gnome.mutter overlay-key
[19:36] <ioria> swe442, then (if the return value is Super_L) you do  : gsettings set org.gnome.mutter overlay-key ''
[19:37] <swe442> double-quote?
[19:37] <swe442> or is that two single quotes?
[19:37] <mydog2> hi.. trying to do a recursive grep using find and grep..
[19:37] <ioria> swe442, nope, double single quote
[19:37] <swe442> got it
[19:37] <swe442> makes sense
[19:37] <swe442> yes, that's perfect
[19:37] <mydog2> find /home -type f  ! -path "*/csvn/*"  ! -path "*/Android*/*" -name "*.*"    -print0  | xargs -0 grep 'repos'
[19:37] <swe442> weird that that option is not in the settings
[19:37] <mydog2> this works for finding the 1st term
[19:38] <swe442> works, perfect, ty!
[19:38] <mydog2> find /home -type f  ! -path "*/csvn/*"  ! -path "*/Android*/*" -name "*.*"    -print0  | xargs -0 grep 'repos'  | xargs -0 grep 'github'
[19:38] <ioria> swe442, ok
[19:38] <mydog2> this throws an xargs: argument line too long
[19:38] <swe442> ioria is tehre a way to see all the gsettings I manually over-rode?
[19:38] <mydog2> searching the 'net.. can't see what i'm doing wrong..
[19:39] <ioria> swe442, not sure, but you can restore all to default
[19:39] <mydog2> any pointers?
[19:39] <swe442> okay , thanks,
[19:39] <sarnold> mydog2: what are you trying to do?
[19:39] <sarnold> mydog2: my guess is you went off the rails at: xargs -0 grep 'github'
[19:39] <ioria> swe442, maybe in 'dconf editor'
[19:44] <mydog2> sarnold, -- i want to grep files in certain dirs, and search for files having multiple words
[19:45] <mydog2> or.. for files in certain dirs, i want to find files with 'repos' and 'github'
[19:46] <EriC^^> mydog2: how about  "find..... -exec grep -E "github|repos" {} \;"
[19:47] <EriC^^> i think you might need grep -HE  so it shows the filenames next to the stuff
[19:47] <mydog2> so get rid of the args
[19:47] <mydog2> xags
[19:47] <EriC^^> yeah
[19:47] <mydog2> xargs
[19:48] <sarnold> mydog2: I usually use grep -l for this -- if you don't want the actual line itself; try: grep -l root /etc/passwd
[19:48] <mydog2> is there a way using xargs
[19:48] <EriC^^> mydog2: why though, just to learn xargs?
[19:48] <BananaManCJ> I have Ubuntu installed on a portable drive. I originally installed it on a 2017 iMac and sound was working fine. I then plugged the drive into another computer. Sound was working fine there. I then plugged it back into the Mac and the sound doesn't work anymore. How do I fix this? One thing I noticed is that it shows "Headphones" as an output source even though there aren't any plugged in.
[19:48] <BananaManCJ> Bluetooth audio does work
[19:50] <EriC^^> mydog2: your command works for me here
[19:51] <BananaManCJ> Audio doesn't work through traditional headphones, either
[19:54] <oerheks> BananaManCJ, maybe ' sudo dpkg –configure -a' fixes things?
[19:55] <BananaManCJ> Nope
[19:56] <oerheks> or just try booting again?
[19:58] <BananaManCJ> This persists after a reboot
[19:58] <BananaManCJ> It's been like this for about 24 hours now
[19:58] <BananaManCJ> Even tried reinstalling ALSA and PulseAudio
[19:58] <micrex22> try installing OSS instead of ALSA :p
[19:59] <micrex22> (good luck though, I've never done it myself), only on actual proprietary UNIX
[19:59] <oerheks> weird advise, micrex22 ...
[19:59] <micrex22> I mean... it 'might' work :p
[20:00] <micrex22> If it in fact is a software issue
[20:01] <oerheks> BananaManCJ, killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.config/pulse/* ; rm -r ~/.pulse* >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[20:03] <BananaManCJ> Nope, I also noticed that sound input isn't working either
[20:03] <BananaManCJ> It works over bluetooth, though
[20:23] <MoPac> Hi, so I've run into a bit of a problem during an upgrade 19.10 --> 20.04 (Kubuntu). During the confirmation step of the "sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop" method, I went to "details" of package removal and then accidentally terminated the whole program rather than returning and saying "N".
[20:23] <MoPac> Apparently this means that my software sources are set to "focal" even though nothing was approved for installation/removal. When I try to run either the console tool again or the GUI, it won't proceed because because I need the latest updates to my current software first -- all 2326 updates it thinks I need, since with my current source config, everything looks behind, and the check step isn't comparing version names.
[20:24] <MoPac> I'm hoping it will be enough to just manually switch back the four sources that are active in the middle of an upgrade -- [ver. name]/updates/backports/security, back to eon. But I haven't wanted to touch anything yet in case this is actually a bigger mess than that.
[20:24] <sarnold> MoPac: I think I've done something similar, and I think I was able to get back to a working config with a simple s/foo/bar/ in the sources
[20:26] <meltingwax> i'm getting errors for apt-get update in fresh ubuntu:18.04 containers; complaining that the files it gets have the wrong hashsum
[20:26] <meltingwax> i assume this is an infrastructure problem that I can expect to go away?
[20:27] <sarnold> meltingwax: it depends what introduced the problem -- if you have a caching proxy that is caching too agressively, or worse, if your ISP has a caching proxy that they have not told you about, you'll probably have to take action yourself to fix it
[20:27] <sarnold> meltingwax: the last person who ran into this problem found out their VPN provider was using a caching proxy, and hadn't expected that..
[20:28] <meltingwax> sarnold: it's under a corp network, so maybe there is a hidden proxy. but it worked an hour ago, now it doesn't work at all
[20:29] <sarnold> meltingwax: if you request the same files using curl or wget, do you get something that looks like an error page? or something that looks right but is too short? or something old?
[20:30] <urxtnw> If I use systemd to start a unit at book with: systemctl enable unit. What is actually happening? Will this be enabled forever, or is there a chance this setting might be re-written if I do a system upgrade? Will this setting be written in some file?
[20:30] <MoPac> sarnold: looks like replacing "focal" in sources.list is doing the trick; thanks for the reassurance.
[20:30] <sarnold> MoPac: nice! :)
[20:31] <oerheks> urxtnw, enable is for starting at boot
[20:31] <oerheks> start is starting for this session
[20:31] <sarnold> urxtnw: 'enable' fiddles around with some 'wants' requirements as directed by the [Install] section of the unit
[20:32] <urxtnw> oerheks, sarnold, yes but I am asking if this setting will get overwritten if I upgrade my system
[20:32] <meltingwax> thats a good idea sarnold, i will try
[20:32] <sarnold> urxtnw: it's strongly unlikely, but it is possible, that an update will change that config
[20:33] <urxtnw> sarnold, do you know where the config is, as in that is getting written, when I run that command?
[20:35] <sarnold> urxtnw: most services' [Install] sections just say to add themselves to the multi-user target: ls -l /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/
[20:35] <meltingwax> sarnold: the file i wget'd matched the sum; and now i restarted the job and it works; so who knows. maybe an ops hiccup
[20:35] <sarnold> meltingwax: oh cripes, I hate problems that go away without a known reason *why*... oh well, at least you're back doing whatever it was you *wanted* to do :)
[20:36] <urxtnw> sarnold, thank you!
[20:38] <TheCowboy> I can't get snap apps to access any NFS mounts, even if I mount it under /home/$USER, is there a solution to this?
[20:42] <meltingwax> sarnold:thanks for your help!
[20:43] <ajshell1> What's the best way to completely remove GNOME 3 and everything releated to it from the default version of Ubuntu in preparation for installing a new DE?
[20:44] <ajshell1> I'm asking because the regular GNOME Ubuntu seems to be the only one to offer ZFS on root installation options.
[20:47] <ThinkT510> ajshell1: do you really need to remove gnome-shell? why not just install the DE you want and log into that?
[20:48] <sarnold> TheCowboy: I've seen someone do something *seriously* gross to address this
[20:48] <sarnold> TheCowboy: try asking in #snapcraft about this -- it feels like something they should had addressed by now
[20:49] <sarnold> TheCowboy: if they haven't, well, I've got an idea, but it's super-gross..
[20:50] <TheCowboy> I'll try there, this seems like a significant limitation if not addressed as more packages become snaps
[20:50] <TheCowboy> thank you
[20:50] <ajshell1> ThinkT510: I want ZFS on root installation with minimal effort for a virtual machine, Kubuntu doesn't offer that in the options, Ubuntu GNOME does.
[20:53] <micrex22> you can always use JFS :3
[20:54] <micrex22> (I don't know if linux JFS is actually JFS2 or JFS1, there is conflicting information on that)
[20:57] <ajshell1> On second thought, this isn't the best idea, since the host zpool and guest zpool are both called "rpool" by default. This is a disaster waiting to happen, especially since the guest pool is on a ZVOL.
[20:58] <ajshell1> BTRFS it is, then.
[20:58] <sarnold> oh man, just wait until you find out that both hosts are known as 'localhost'
[21:00] <ajshell1> There is actually an issue that you can run into if you have two identically named ZFS pools on the same system. I froget if it'll only import one or if it won't import either.
[21:23] <kZo> anyone have experience with setting up xbindkeys?  Trying to get my mouse forward/backward buttons working.
[21:24] <kZo> just really looking for it in Chrome.   I have checked online and many different ways of doing it, the couple options I've tried doesn't seem to work.
[21:27] <kZo> doesn't look like xbindkeys -k is getting any input.   To make it worse, I'm using synergyc on my linux and synergy on my windows machine.  Maybe it's synergy.
[21:33] <mesaboogie> kZo: boot to live usb ubuntu (without synergy) and test it straight up. elimination
[21:34] <mesaboogie> kZo: or just turn off synergy in your current setup
[21:37] <Somethin1> Hi! I just restarted my 20.04 install, and suddenly can't find my ethernet connection. I'm on a desktop where I didn't need any drivers initially for my network card so I'm really confused
[21:39] <mesaboogie> Somethin1: settings | network | share screenshot
[21:39] <s98259> Hi, I'm missing /etc/mysql, how do I restore it?
[21:40] <Somethin1> https://imgur.com/a/NGi2Rxt
[21:40] <Somethin1> It's just not there
[21:41] <mesaboogie> Somethin1: hrmph , strange one
[21:41] <Somethin1> Wait I know what it was >:|
[21:41] <Somethin1> i think
[21:41] <Somethin1> I was following along with LFS and I edited my host /etc/network/interface instead of the chrooted one
[21:41] <Somethin1> small brain moment
[21:41] <mesaboogie> s98259: that directory+files is supplied by mysql-common package.
[21:41] <Somethin1> sorry
[21:41] <mesaboogie> Somethin1: what was it?
[21:41] <mesaboogie> Somethin1: ah
[21:42] <s98259> Awesome, thanks, it worked.
[21:42] <mesaboogie> s98259: yw
[21:42] <Somethin1> mesaboogie one question though, now that i've unbroken that file,, how do i apply changes?
[21:43] <mesaboogie> Somethin1: probably a reboot or a restart of network services
[21:43] <sarnold> Somethin1: /etc/network/interfaces is ignored unless you install the ifupdown package; note that this isn't officially supported on 20.04, so you're kind of on your own in case it doesn't work out well
[21:44] <mesaboogie> thanks sarnold for the clarification
[21:45] <kZo> mesaboogie: I just got it.  The bindings weren't setup right.     Once I found the "right way" to set them up it was pretty easy.  Just didn't know how to call them.
[22:27] <CrtxReavr> If I edit /etc/(passwd|shadow|group) files, what must be run to make those changes active on the system?
[22:28] <mlu> is there any quick way I can customize away the purple motif that's in the default install?
[22:28] <mlu> or is the purple kind of like the black in the Model T?
[22:29] <sarnold> CrtxReavr: they're live immediately, there's no database step as on other systems
[22:30] <CrtxReavr> sarnold, cool - thanks
[22:30] <mlu> in other words: I don't like the defaults for the desktop, are there other ones available, or should I bleach my eyes?
[22:32] <sarnold> mlu: there's a bunch of desktop environments if you just want something completely different; i3m, or lxde, or xfce, or lxqt, or kde, etc etc etc
[22:33] <sarnold> mlu: I don't know what's involved in making a new theme, or selecting a different theme, for the gnome-shell, but I assume there's some way to do that
[22:35] <mlu> cool, but nothing that's simply "pointy-clicky" right?
[22:35] <mlu> was wondering if I can like `apt install clearlooks` and make it look like Fedora
[22:36] <otis> go to fedora then
[22:38] <sarnold> heh, "apt-cache search clear look" returns some gtk 2 and 3 packages.. doesn't look promising
[22:40] <mlu> in practice, though, I'd probably just wait for a focal-based Mint to drop
[22:42] <CrtxReavr> sarnold, so the passwd-, shadow-, and group- are just backups?
[22:44] <sarnold> CrtxReavr: yes; they should be managed by vipw et al
[22:44] <sarnold> CrtxReavr: there's no equiv of mkpasword or pwd_mkdb, etc
[22:45] <CrtxReavr> Well. . . their docker container is ubuntu, so they can be overwritten with no extra step.
[22:46]  * CrtxReavr got confused what channel he was typing at.
[22:46] <CrtxReavr> sarnold, thanks.
[22:47] <sarnold> CrtxReavr: you're welcome, have fun :)
[23:07] <eelstrebor> anyone experiencing multiple vlc icons on the top bar on the right hand side?  i'm sure that it's a bug
[23:12] <flying_sausages> Hey guys, I upgraded to 20.04 and can't see Wireguard in the Gnome Network Manager. I'd like to import a .conf file for it. Any suggestions on whether I need to install some packages? I already have `wireguard` installed ha
[23:52] <ecov> anyone have any suggestions for a squeezebox client
[23:52] <ecov> squeezebox/LMS
[23:54] <bluezinc> mlu: you could always run kubuntu if purple's not your thing


[20:50] <kyrios> Hi people just passing by to say that Budgie is still looking for translators. It would be kind if you can pass the word <3     https://translate.getsol.us/projects/budgie-desktop/translations/


[01:03] <dholbach> hai
[01:21] <tseng> hi dholbach
[01:21] <tseng> whats up
[01:21] <dholbach> hey tseng
[01:21] <dholbach> enjoying sydney and writing up stuff for the motu/community bofs
[01:21] <tseng> ok
[01:21] <tseng> you pinged me
[01:21] <dholbach> today it's raining a bit, so i dont mind
[01:21] <dholbach> yeah... wanted to know when you arrive
[01:22] <tseng> sunday
[01:22] <dholbach> sunday morning, right?
[01:22] <tseng> yes
[01:23] <tseng> 6:30 about
[01:32] <dholbach> cool
[01:32] <dholbach> need to check when koke and ajmitch arrive
[01:33] <ajmitch> dholbach: saturday afternoon
[01:34] <ajmitch> just got the spending money in my account this morning ;)
[01:39] <dholbach> woohoo, cool
[01:39] <ajmitch> yeah, it means I can pay a friend back who I owe some money to :)
[03:14] <tseng> hi dholbach
[03:14] <dholbach> hey tseng
[03:14] <dholbach> how are you?
[03:15] <tseng> good
[05:10] <dholbach> see you later
[08:06] <\sh> gentlemen
[11:45] <\sh> morning ogra
[11:52] <\sh> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/457
[12:17] <koke> \sh: are you sure k3b needs cdrdao??
[12:17] <koke> http://k3b.plainblack.com/requirements <-- it's optional
[12:18] <koke> koke@ababol ~ $ LC_ALL=C apt-cache depends k3b | grep cdrdao
[12:18] <koke>   Suggests: cdrdao
[12:44] <\sh> koke: well, it asks you for it , when you start it directly
[12:47] <\sh> koke: and for 0.3.10 it was required...strange
[12:47] <\sh> behaviour
[12:50] <koke> --> ogra<EMAIL_ADDRESS><-- you too already in .au??
[12:50] <ogra> since monday, yes :)
[12:50] <koke> linuxconf?
[12:50] <ogra> koke, when will you arrive ?
[12:50] <tseng> ograconf
[12:51] <ogra> nah, like tseng said
[12:51] <ogra> blueparrotconf
[12:51] <ogra> http://www.blueparrot.com.au/
[12:51] <koke> 24 @ 05:55
[12:52] <ogra> ah, great, so you have a day to see sydney at least
[12:53] <ajmitch> hi
[12:56] <tseng> hi
[12:56] <koke> hmmm, 05:55 is 21:55 @ BIO, and after 2 days flying, I guess I'll need to rest a bit :)
[12:56] <tseng> koke: ill be there 6:30
[12:56] <tseng> no no
[12:56] <tseng> we are hitting the town
[12:56] <tseng> you can sleep until i get there
[12:57] <ajmitch> sounds like fun :)
[12:57] <ajmitch> I don't know what I'll get up to when I get there
[12:57] <tseng> ...going out
[12:57] <ogra> koke, you shouldnt, else you will have a very weird sleep schedule.... one needs to stay awake the first day
[12:57] <ajmitch> maybe on sunday afternoon
[12:57] <tseng> you go out the 24th or bush.
[12:58] <tseng> bust*.
[12:58] <ajmitch> heh
[12:58] <tseng> every other day is scheduled until 9
[12:58] <tseng> and most things in .au seem to close at 4-5
[12:58] <ajmitch> nah, it's not that bad
[12:58] <ajmitch> I did spend a couple of months in .au last year
[12:58] <ajmitch> so I don't care as much about the tourist stuff :)
[12:59] <tseng> i would just feel bad going all that way and not seeing a few things
[12:59] <tseng> the bridge, opera house, and the beach
[12:59] <ajmitch> yeah, but I could go to sydney for the weekend if I wanted, it's close enough
[12:59] <koke> ajmitch: but you are a lot closer :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:00] <ajmitch> I might be living in australia next year
[01:00] <koke> I don't know when I'll be able to be there again
[01:00] <koke> and I've wanted to visit .au and .nz for a long tima
[01:00] <koke> time
[01:00] <ajmitch> .nz is nice :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> koke: are you going to visit NZ after UDU?
[01:00] <koke> someday I'll visit (I hope)
[01:00] <koke> ajmitch: I don't think so :(
[01:01] <koke> brb
[01:01] <ajmitch> ah, that's a shame
[01:01] <tseng> jeez i do not want to go to work today
[01:01] <tseng> tommorow i fly!
[01:01] <ogra> ajmitch, i would (if you pay my flight rescheduling :-P)
[01:01] <ogra> tseng, YEAH
[01:01] <ajmitch> yeah, I've got work tomorrow as well
[01:01] <tseng> :D
[01:02] <tseng> see you there!
[01:02] <ajmitch> heh :)
[01:02] <ajmitch> see you in sydney! ;)
[01:06] <ajmitch> ok, good night
[01:06] <ajmitch> will talk to you all tomorrow
[04:01] <mfilizzi> I have a new package that I would like to get approved for Universe.  per Jonathan Riddell it's posted on the MOTUNewPackages page.  He suggested I hit some people up over here to review it for me.
[04:03] <Burgundavia> not many here, add it to the page, and it will get reviewed in time
[04:04] <mfilizzi> thanks
[07:28] <herve> heya!
[07:28] <bddebian> Hello her
[07:28] <bddebian> herve even...
[07:58] <\sh> yo herve
[07:59] <herve> yo :-)
[08:03] <\sh> grmpf
[08:03] <\sh> k3b is bad
[08:04] <\sh> it asked for cdrdao..but has only a suggested package dep
[08:04] <\sh> but it's user annoying when this app asks you for a tool which is not installed
[08:04] <herve> not even recommended?
[08:06] <herve> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=263887
[08:07] <\sh> sure..only recommended
[08:07] <herve> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296228
[08:07] <Amaranth> sorry, was testing something
[08:08] <herve> Amaranth, you're free to leave and come back -:)
[08:09] <\sh> well
[08:09] <\sh> well
[08:09] <\sh> and again well
[08:09] <\sh> it's all bullshit what debian and the sourcemonkeys of k3b are doing
[08:11] <\sh> first of all...if an application is bugging me: this and that application is not installed, so I don't have to complete functionality, I, as a user, will going to install it.
[08:12] <\sh> but if the application is saying: well, i can run without it, and I can burn cds without it, so what...
[08:12] <\sh> it's annoying , both ways
[08:13] <herve> "I can run without it, though I'm pretty much useless... pretty interface still, isn't it?"
[08:14] <Amaranth> lmao, you mean k3b and cdrdao?
[08:14] <\sh> yepp
[08:15] <\sh> the error message at the beginning gives the picture: without cdrdao I can't burn cds
[08:15] <\sh> well..is vcdimager working together with cdrecord?
[08:15] <\sh> because of the bue/bin file ?
[08:16] <\sh> cue/bin file ;)
[08:24] <\sh> ok
[08:25] <\sh> u can use cdrtools to burn cue/bin projects..so cdrdao is not needed anymore...
[08:25] <\sh> I could patch this out of the k3b source ,)
[08:25] <\sh> and remove cdrdao from control as a recommended package
[08:27] <\sh> hehe...
[08:27] <\sh> k3b is really stupid
[08:27] <\sh> File -> New -> VCD Project ==> You need vcdimager
[08:28] <\sh> but, cdrdao is used for burning *lol*
[08:28] <herve> well, you can still generate iso files, can't you?
[08:32] <\sh> but vcdimager makes cue/bin files
[08:34] <herve> yes but it's not k3b :-)
[08:38] <\sh> k3b uses vcdimager
[08:39] <herve> is vcdimager a GUI?
[08:40] <\sh> no...
[08:40] <\sh> commandline
[08:40] <\sh> it converts mpg files to vcd compatible structure
[08:40] <\sh> and it's not working at all :)
[08:40] <\sh> doing the conversion by hand, it's ok
[08:41] <\sh> with k3b it breaks :) finally with the actual vcdimager version of ubuntu ;)
[08:42] <herve> that's the point
[08:42] <herve> vcdimager is too geeky :-)
[08:42] <herve> and k3b a nice front-end
[08:42] <herve> ...
[08:43] <herve> to packages it is not depending on... :-)
[08:44] <\sh> hmmm..transcode is geeky
[08:44] <\sh> vcdimager is easy
[08:45] <\sh> vcdimager -t svcd -c test.cue -b test.bin blade.mpg ;)
[08:45] <herve> seriously speaking, it's still a command line tool
[08:47] <\sh> herve: it doesn't matter, if there is a gui, why not, but it should work with the gui :) if the gui is calling the cli...it depends on it
[08:47] <herve> that's my point too
[08:48] <\sh> well...it's vcdxgen fault
[08:48] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:/media/hda1/Videos$ vcdxgen --filename-encoding=iso-8859-1 blade.mpg
[08:48] <\sh> **ERROR: charset conversion failed
[08:48] <\sh> --filename-encoding=STRING            use given charset encoding for
[08:48] <\sh>                                         filenames instead of UTF8
[08:49] <\sh> and running vcdxgen --filename-encoding=utf8 blade.mpg ==> works
[08:49] <herve> try with latin1
[08:50] <\sh> jepp
[08:50] <\sh> works
[08:51] <\sh> and k3b doesn't use it this option and fails...
[08:51] <\sh> cause vcdimager blade.mpg failes
[08:51] <\sh> -e
[09:00] <\sh> fixing it
[09:06] <\sh> vcdimager has a bug
[09:06] <\sh> it's fixed in 0.7.21
[09:07] <\sh> are we syncing against testing or unstable?
[09:09] <\sh> btw herve can u upload now?
[09:11] <Burgundavia> unstable
[09:13] <herve> \sh, no answer from mako nor elmo
[09:13] <\sh> Burgundavia: thx
[09:13] <\sh> ok...I'll wait with the fix
[09:13] <\sh> 0.7.21 is in unstable
[09:13] <Burgundavia> elmo is on vacation
[09:14] <Burgundavia> until 23 from what I understand
[09:14] <herve> usually free software folks have more time during their holidays
[09:14] <herve> there it's the contrary, he retires from free software stuff :-)
[09:32] <\sh> ok..what about bugfixes for hoary=?
[09:39] <herve> if it's not a critical or security fix, don't care
[09:40] <ajmitch> morning
[09:42] <herve> hi ajmitch
[09:43] <\sh> herve: functionality?
[09:43] <herve> \sh, no new features, for sure
[09:43] <\sh> herve: not new features..old features
[09:44] <herve> you're fixing an old feature?
[09:44] <\sh> herve: vcd burning is an old feature...but because of a bug in vcdimager is it not working
[09:45] <ajmitch> I suppose I should start packing today :)
[09:45] <herve> ajmitch, for the udu?N
[09:45] <\sh> ajmitch: upload first ;)
[09:45] <\sh> ogra told me you should upload before you leave ;)
[09:45] <herve> \sh, the broken feature isn't harmful?
[09:45] <\sh> herve: annoying :)
[09:45] <herve> he told me too!
[09:45] <\sh> it doesn't work
[09:45] <ajmitch> \sh: upload what? ;)
[09:46] <herve> \sh, I doubt it makes it to hoary them :-)
[09:46] <herve> ajmitch, I don't have upload rights yet
[09:46] <\sh> ajmich: http://www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/StephanHermann <- buglist
[09:46] <herve> s/them/then
[09:46] <\sh> ajmitch: dsc and diff.gz are all on http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/<packagename>
[09:47] <ajmitch> \sh: bugfixes or new packages?
[09:47] <\sh> bugfixes
[09:47] <\sh> new packages are on motunewpackages :)
[09:47] <ajmitch> \sh: submitted bugreport & patch to debian?
[09:48] <\sh> ajmitch: for one package yes...the rest is .desktop bla
[09:48] <ajmitch> .desktop files may still be appreciated by debian maintainers
[09:48] <\sh> ajmitch: malone bugs ;) everything is there
[09:48] <herve> ajmitch, I have one upload pending
[09:49] <\sh> ajmitch: if they're ok..i will send them all to debian :)
[09:49] <herve> maybe another but I get a silly bug
[09:49] <ajmitch> ok, but I have to go to work about 10 minutes ago ;)
[09:49] <herve> woops!
[09:49] <herve> :-)
[09:50] <\sh> ajmitch: go then :)
[09:50] <ajmitch> I'll upload one, at least..
[09:50] <ajmitch> lintian needs fixed
[09:50] <\sh> ajmitch: I don't mind :)
[09:50] <\sh> ajmitch: i can wait :)
[09:51] <ajmitch> tagtool uploaded
[09:51] <\sh> ah thx :)
[09:51] <ajmitch> ethereal is too large to grab quickly ;)
[09:52] <\sh> then forget about mysql-admin etc.
[09:52] <ajmitch> ok, will talk from work
[09:52] <\sh> ok cu :)
[09:54] <\sh> where can I make proposals for QA?
[09:56] <herve> ubuntu? no idea
[09:58] <\sh> is there a ML for this? ubuntu-chiefs ? ,-)
[09:59] <herve> sounder? :-)
[10:00] <\sh> i found something on the wiki
[10:01] <\sh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuProcedures
[10:17] <\sh> cheers guys, my first beer for today and my last ;)
[10:17] <\sh> strike.
[10:17] <\sh> tagtool compiled for all three archs
[10:39] <ajmitch_> great
[10:39] <\sh> thx ajmitch
[10:40] <\sh> now I'm writing a proposal for a better QA
[10:40] <\sh> and for a changing in bugfixes for stable releases
[10:41] <\sh> oh well...my english
[10:41] <\sh> for a different view of bugfixes in the stable release ;)
[10:41] <\sh> better?
[10:43] <\sh> denglish ;)
[10:43] <\sh> mixture of german and english ;)
[10:50] <herve> night all
[10:50] <\sh> night herve..oh he's gone
[11:26] <tseng> hi
[11:28] <ajmitch_> hi tseng
[11:28] <\sh> re tseng
[11:28] <ajmitch_> how long until you leave?
[11:29] <\sh> if you have time, please re-read this proposal and fix some mistakes (increase the version number please) and annotate the fixes with your name :) thx
[11:29] <\sh> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ProposalForABetterQAForUbuntu
[11:29] <tseng> i leave tommorow night
[11:29] <tseng> 6pm EST iirc
[11:36] <tseng> im not sure we have bad qa atm
[11:36] <tseng> saying you want to improve qa as a blanket statement is a slippery slope
[11:37] <ajmitch_> tseng: feel free to add stuff to the selinux bof page :)
[11:37] <tseng> if you want to build a team of users to file bugs in some sort of organized fashion, be our guest
[11:37] <tseng> ajmitch_: im mostly along for the ride on that one
[11:38] <tseng> ajmitch_: i can install and configure selinux , not much more
[11:38] <ajmitch_> ah alright
[11:38] <tseng> i use it on gentoo and fedora
[11:38] <tseng> fedora "just works"
[11:39] <\sh> tseng: well...QA is never good as it should be, this is not the point
[11:39] <\sh> the qa is/was good for ubuntu..not the question...but we can do it better :)
[11:40] <tseng> ok then, show me the manpower
[11:40] <\sh> and we have to take care about the "after release show"
[11:40] <\sh> tseng: this is something else.. we need to establish the structure first, then we will find manpower :)
[11:41] <\sh> well...I know the QA of redhat...
[11:41] <tseng> thats an oxymoron?
[11:41] <tseng> (ever looked in an SRPM)
[11:41] <\sh> ... <--- ;)
[11:41] <\sh> the QA of redhat was shit
[11:41] <tseng> yes.
[11:42] <\sh> and the marketing was even more worse then the QA (in europe)
[11:43] <\sh> but i don't want to blame anybody...
[11:43] <\sh> tseng: but I have to say, the SRPMS of redhat are better then those of suse :(
[11:44] <tseng> i found little reason to look at suse until after novel + ximian merger
[11:44] <\sh> tseng: hehe :)
[11:45] <\sh> tseng: this is also a nice story...buy a gnome company and then buy a kde focused distributor ==> evolution for kde ,-)
[11:45] <tseng> i dont like kde
[11:46] <tseng> but rather than risk trolling any harder, im going to get dinner or something
[11:46] <\sh> ok, then kmail for gnome...;)
[11:46] <\sh> i don't have anything against gnome/kde..i'm using :)
[11:47] <\sh> the switch user function of kde is a nice one ;)
[11:54] <Amaranth> FUSA is nice too
[11:54] <\sh> fusa?
[11:55] <Amaranth> Fast User Switch Applet
[11:55] <\sh> this is for gnome, right
[11:55] <Amaranth> I always just had a link on my panel for gdmflexiserver.
[11:55] <Amaranth> Yeah
[11:56] <\sh> but it's not enabled by default
[11:56] <Amaranth> http://ignore-your.tv/fusa/
[11:56] <Amaranth> This is new.
[11:57] <\sh> nice :)


[23:21] <Teester> Hi. I've been trying to submit new versions of the extra music scopes for Precise.  Is it possible to do this yet?


[04:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/best-unity-desktop-features
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> morning xangua
[05:40] <xangua> Good midnight
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> late night irc is the best
[05:58] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: the other day this guy came that had an acer, every time he enters the bios or boot options menu it resets to booting windows xD
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> rainy here again
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> http://www.networkworld.com/article/3192311/linux/lessons-learned-from-the-failure-of-ubuntu-touch.html
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> http://www.deviantart.com/art/Fedora-677149963
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> wonder what this sidebar is
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> nite nite Bashing-om
[06:18] <Bashing-om> And outta here :) see ya on my flip lotuspsychje .
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> dream on Bashing-om
[06:20] <ducasse> hi all
[06:52] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys, have a nice one
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> garden shop today
[07:02] <ducasse> hi lordievader, all well?
[07:36] <lordievader> Doing good here, how are you ducasse ?
[07:38] <EriC^^> hey ducasse lordievader
[07:39] <ducasse> morning EriC^^. good, thanks, having a nice sunny day here.
[07:43] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^, how are you?
[07:44] <EriC^^> good thanks you?
[07:46] <lordievader> Doing good here, having my second coffee.
[08:29] <brunch875> 'morning folks
[08:33] <jink> ducasse: I realized last night that you meant the YubiKey to log in to the GUI.  I was asking about Google Authenticator for ssh.  That was totally unclear.
[08:34] <ducasse> jink: i use the yubikey for ssh, i don't actually use it for the gui on my desktop any longer.
[08:35] <jink> Oh.
[08:35] <jink> How does that work?
[08:36] <ducasse> i have a yubikey with ccid (smartcard) support, so i've generated gpg keys on the 'card' and use an authentication subkey for ssh auth. works like a charm.
[08:41] <jink> Just found https://www.linode.com/docs/security/gpg-key-for-ssh-authentication because I had no idea what you were talking about.
[08:43] <jink> Oh, Yubi have their own guide, too.
[08:44] <ducasse> you can use the otp functionality as well, but that requires an auth server. yubico provides one, and the software to set up your own is in the repos. i prefer this solution.
[08:45] <ducasse> iirc i got challenge-response to work also, but that gave me some other issue. don't remember what.
[10:28] <ducasse> EriC^^: you still around?
[10:28] <EriC^^> hey
[10:28] <EriC^^> what's up?
[10:29] <ducasse> just wanted to tell you there was a bug filed on grub-install in yakkety, i commented on it to say it's still there.
[10:29] <EriC^^> ah ok cool
[10:30] <ducasse> i'll try to figure out what the pages were generated from, if it's a format i know i'll take a look. :)
[10:30] <EriC^^> ok :)
[10:31] <ducasse> i just get annoyed by bugs like that - small cosmetic things that should take a minute to fix but nobody cares enough :)
[10:32] <EriC^^> yeah, there's a lot of typos and stuff here and there
[10:32] <EriC^^> i wish somebody would write a proper man page for cpio, it's lacking alot!
[10:33] <ducasse> 'see also cpio(5)', which doesn't exist, and a link. fantastic. ;)
[10:34] <EriC^^> hehe
[10:37] <ducasse> wish i was good at writing docs, it's a skill i don't have unfortunately :) the community definitely needs more writers, and ui designers. too many code monkeys ;)
[10:43] <EriC^^> hehe yeah :D
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:10] <ducasse> hiya, BluesKaj
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse
[12:12] <ducasse> all things good in your world?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> my gpu looks like it's destroying itself , it's running at 107C
[12:14] <BluesKaj> there's no way to enable the built in fan manually
[12:14] <BluesKaj> it's normal temp was between 70-80C
[12:16] <ducasse> wow, that's high. can't be good over time.
[12:21] <BluesKaj> it kept dropping the video to a black screen about every 10mins  last night while watching a Hi def video ...nut it's just a cheap 40 buck nvidia 8400GS ..gonna buy new one today , the associated HW might be affected so I think it's time to replace it
[12:22] <ducasse> right. what are you thinking of getting instead?
[14:16] <BluesKaj_> ducasse, I just ordered this, https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B004I5UDO6/ref=pe_386430_126088100_TE_item ..this card fits my needs perfectly
[14:18] <ducasse> that looks decent enough :) no 4k, but you might not need that now or soon?
[14:19] <BluesKaj_> no 4k in our futurre til the sources become more available
[14:20] <BluesKaj_> we still have alot of std def analog tv broadcasting here
[14:20] <jink> PS4?
[14:21] <ducasse> i don't care much about it either. my desktop can do it, but i didn't go for a 4k screen with any of my monitors. nor my tv, my eyesight is probably not good enough to enjoy it :)
[14:23] <BluesKaj_> markets under 150k population are still allowed to broadcast analog here , however most ppl have either cable or sat service  with the analog as a fallback in those markets
[14:29] <ducasse> everything here is hd now, afaik. i still don't feel a need for 4k yet, though. hope the new gpu works well, btw.
[14:29] <BluesKaj_>  yeah, 4k wouldn't make a lot if different to our old eys, having seen a 4k demo was not a revelation for us , it was nice but not worth the money  in our opinion
[14:29] <BluesKaj_> of
[14:30] <BluesKaj_> ok ,stuff to do for a few hrs ....BBL
[14:30] <ducasse> have fun :)
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[14:44] <EriC^^> afternoon lotus
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-17-10-daily-build-downloads-now-available
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> wb xangua, hi doomlord
[15:11] <doomlord> hi
[15:11] <xangua> Hola
[15:11] <doomlord> so i hear unity is no more, gnome-shell will be adopted
[15:11] <doomlord> gnome-shell ...
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> doomlord: 17.10 will start with it
[15:12] <doomlord> ...  seems to be capable of genius, but the default setup out of the box is absolutely abysmal.
[15:12] <doomlord> i guess they will come up with their own prefered set of extentions?
[15:13] <doomlord> i can see what they're trying to do though, with touchscreen friendly design
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> doomlord: shuttleworth said, they will not interfere gnome's way's too much
[15:13] <doomlord> i dont have a touchscreen computer , so i'm not seeing it's best
[15:13] <xangua> When Ubuntu used gnome 2 it didn't come with some specific Ubuntu extension
[15:13] <doomlord> i beleive it is possible to design a good UI for both
[15:13] <doomlord> gnome2 was ok though
[15:13] <doomlord> gnome shell deafulats are absolutely fucking retarded
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> doomlord: please keep it familly friendly here
[15:14] <doomlord> but if you spend some time digging up extentions, it can be made good
[15:14] <doomlord> hah ok
[15:14] <xangua> The only thing they added at the last moments was indicators, and they were added to xfce and lxde too by the way ;-)
[15:14] <doomlord> there is an opportunity to make something great with a well curated set of gnome-shell extentions
[15:15] <doomlord> one big question i have though is apple-legalities
[15:15] <doomlord> does apple stop gnome from doing 'globalmenu',
[15:15] <doomlord> i struggling to understand why anyone would setup a defaul where the entire top strip of the screen is consumed just showing the time
[15:16] <doomlord> no one is that stupid
[15:16] <doomlord> so i have potential explanations like "they really want global menu , but apple block it" ,   or   "it's a space waiting for extentions"
[15:17] <doomlord> the pre-unity Gnome default setup was utterly retarded too, I must admit
[15:17] <doomlord> unity had a lot of good sense behind it
[15:17] <nacc> doomlord: seems like that would be a question for gnome
[15:18] <xangua> doomlord: KDE has has a global menu since KDE 3
[15:18] <xangua> Gnome 2 also had a global menu thing
[15:18] <doomlord> i think people can get away with globalmenu if it's not entirely apple-esque.  Gnome-shell looks a lot more like "mission-control", with the window +desktop thumbnails
[15:19] <doomlord> i suspect this is also why they make it vertical instead of horizontal
[15:19] <xangua> Also Apple didn't invent the global menu
[15:19] <doomlord> they did not, but they monopolized it
[15:19] <xangua> Ok....
[15:19] <doomlord> i'm not justifying apple, i'm just speculating why things happen
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> alot of users use apple...
[15:19] <doomlord> i used globalmenu on the Amiga
[15:20] <doomlord> to this day I am very OCD about globalmenu - the windows style makes me seriously uncomfortable
[15:20] <doomlord> i look for apps that allow the menu to be hidden
[15:20] <xangua> You could put the unity global menu in the window decorators
[15:20] <doomlord> but my favourite is globalmenu
[15:21] <doomlord> yeah i've never used that version of unity, i've been using XFCE most often lately
[15:21] <xangua> You still can in 16.04/17.10 :-P
[15:21] <doomlord> actualyl i've been using the Mac most often lately.. i would really like to ween myself off it, but there's lots of sticking points that keep me gravitating back (globalmenu being one of them)
[15:22] <doomlord> i was just messing aroudn with gnome shell yesterday - and dug through the extentions, and basically it looks promising
[15:23] <doomlord> i can see a few bits of polish /curated extentions could make it amazing
[15:23] <daftykins> macOS is bloody horrible
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> look what i found this morning: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Fedora-677149963
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> looks lot like unity like that
[15:23] <daftykins> o0
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins :p
[15:24] <daftykins> \o
[15:24] <daftykins> how goes it, lotus?
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> great here mate
[15:25] <daftykins> \o/
[15:26] <daftykins> just set up a cheap Samsung for my client to use down in Spain, as his fiber service down there came with two mobile phone SIMs heh
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:27] <doomlord> daftykins  I am afraid I say the opposite : I vastly prefer the Mac OSX desktop over everything else
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> yikes
[15:27] <daftykins> doomlord: then there is no hope for you :)
[15:27] <doomlord> daftykins i can list the key featurse that i like
[15:27] <doomlord> first is globalmenu
[15:27] <daftykins> er nah i'm good thanks :P
[15:27] <doomlord> actually one version back was best
[15:27] <daftykins> i feel like i'm swimming through treacle when i work on them - and i do know my way around them, keyboard shortcuts 'n' all
[15:27] <doomlord> the way missioncontrol worked was *perfect*
[15:28] <daftykins> Apple input devices are just horrible
[15:28] <ducasse> oh god, yes.
[15:28] <doomlord> again, exact opposite.  the mac trackpad gestures on a laptop are amazing
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> and expensive
[15:28] <nacc> doomlord: tbh, i'm not sure it's sensible to list what you think makes things perfect
[15:28] <nacc> doomlord: as that's not what any distribution does
[15:28] <nacc> doomlord: greatest common denominator is arguably the target
[15:28] <nacc> if you love  macos, go use macos?
[15:28] <doomlord> i still like linux
[15:29] <doomlord> i dont want to pay the apple tax on all hardware; i like the combination of an apple laptop, linux desktop
[15:29] <nacc> but you want it to look like macos?
[15:29] <nacc> uh ...
[15:29] <doomlord> not *look like*, but behave like.
[15:29] <nacc> potato, potato
[15:29] <doomlord> the icons and colourschemes could be different
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> oO
[15:29] <nacc> basically, you want a macos UX
[15:30] <nacc> at which point, use macos
[15:30] <nacc> or write a metapackage that does that for you and get it in the archive
[15:30] <daftykins> doomlord: ah no i'm talking about an iMac there which i'm working on for someone at the moment
[15:30] <nacc> i absolutely would hate for that to be the default
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> or use OsX with a gnome wallpaper
[15:30] <doomlord> mac OSX isn't perfect though, it's just my favourite 'out of the box'
[15:30] <daftykins> input devices on a laptop will always feel like swimming through treacle :D
[15:30] <daftykins> it's no longer called OS X fwiw ;)
[15:30] <doomlord> yeah managing a set of customizations is a question i have
[15:31] <doomlord> I am also open to new ideas.
[15:31] <doomlord> its just new ideas do have to be better :)   some workarounds are tolerable too.
[15:32] <doomlord> I like an option to move windows between desktops using the scrollwheel, that 'feels as rapid' as missioncontrol (i.e. the ease of organizing windows between workspaces)
[15:32] <nacc> doomlord: better *for you*
[15:32] <doomlord> sure, i dont claim there's an absolute truth in UI
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> doomlord: not sure how your start question unity to gnome changed to mac os X suddenly
[15:32] <nacc> i have no idea what missioncontrol is
[15:32] <doomlord> choice is good.   (Missioncontrol is apples name for the desktop overview)
[15:33] <daftykins> i always took the approach that if you keep trying to change back when newer things come along, you will forever be fighting the future - so it's better to force yourself to adapt
[15:33] <doomlord> well with linux, the future can be shaped
[15:33] <doomlord> now i am aware there's a 'future' with touchscreens,   which i'm not participating in just yet.. some UI choices seem to be driven by touchscreen laptops,
[15:34] <doomlord> and haven't microsoft made a 'tilting all-in-one'
[15:34] <doomlord> apple had a patent for that ages ago, the idea of a computer which you tilt to an angle for touch interaction on a desktop
[15:34] <daftykins> yes but that's a specific device for creative professionals
[15:34] <daftykins> and it's bad even for them XD
[15:34] <doomlord> i can imagine things continuing to evolve to touchscreens
[15:35] <daftykins> if they did i haven't read about a sueball heading their way yet :>
[15:35] <doomlord> touchscreen + voice
[15:35] <daftykins> if so, it won't be future for me
[15:35] <daftykins> touchscreen for a desktop doesn't make sense to me, anyway
[15:35] <doomlord> http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2010/08/the-mother-lode-welcome-to-the-imac-touch.html
[15:35] <daftykins> *a future
[15:36] <doomlord> I think when voice processing (using neural-net chips?) gets beyond a certain threshold, the situation might look different
[15:36] <doomlord> voice+touch might be a great combination
[15:37] <doomlord> anyway, i'm not 100% set on all that,, but i can see why they want to make UI's more touch-friendly
[15:37] <doomlord> the big titlebars with the icons inside them
[15:37] <doomlord> maybe this will kill off traditional desktop menus
[15:38] <daftykins> er they've been disappearing for ages here in Windows land
[15:38] <daftykins> browsers have them hidden, explorer lost them too in 7...
[15:38] <doomlord> thats because windows had the most retarded setup, with 'in-window' menubars
[15:38] <doomlord> and windows has been trying to go touchfriend, with the touchscreen laptops
[15:39] <doomlord> touch-friendly^
[15:39] <daftykins> yeah they failed big time with 8
[15:39] <daftykins> but why would you say that specifically about MS when *buntu has too?
[15:39] <doomlord> nevermind
[15:40] <doomlord> so back to the subject,   can ubuntu deliver a nicely tweaked gnome shell.
[15:40] <daftykins> yeah, i was smelling a bit too much MS hatred there.
[15:40] <daftykins> heh i sure as hell don't care :D
[15:40] <doomlord> i haven't used MS in a long time
[15:40] <daftykins> servers \o/
[15:40] <daftykins> oh i can tell
[15:40] <doomlord> thats how much i hate it maybe , lol.
[15:40] <doomlord> i hated it so much i stopped using it.
[15:41] <doomlord> mac laptop + linux desktop.
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-17-10-artful-aardvark-daily-build-iso-images-now-available-to-download-515179.shtml
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> ill wait till alpha2 :p
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> then start heavy bugging out
[15:59] <daftykins> ;)
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> bbl souper
[16:21] <Bashing-om> Bad weather approaching - I may be gone in a hurry :(
[16:34] <immu> hi all
[16:34] <daftykins> lo
[16:35] <immu> whats up amigos
[16:35] <daftykins> mmm just working
[16:54] <immu> coool


[00:29] <squidward> hi
[00:29] <squidward> oops wrong channel
[00:47] <xubuntu48489> How long will the uppdates work on a xubuntu normal version ?
[00:52] <knome> regular releases are support for 9 months
[01:01] <xubuntu48489> And LTS is 3 years for xubuntu ?
[01:03] <knome> that's right
[01:57] <BuntuTech> is gnome here?
[01:57] <BuntuTech> knome i meant
[02:19] <holstein> BuntuTech: how can we help you?
[02:27] <e87hd> how do I fix this? http://imgur.com/sUFG5zI
[02:27] <holstein> e87hd: i would close that.. open a terminal, and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and share errors.
[02:28] <holstein> !paste
[02:31] <e87hd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8518356/
[02:32] <e87hd> hmm
[02:32] <e87hd> it just went away
[02:33] <holstein> e87hd: it?
[02:33] <holstein> you mean, you no longer get that error message?
[02:33] <holstein> e87hd: you have a lot of ppa's that can cause issues
[04:24] <enrico_> hi guys, my interface is all messed up since yesterday, and I have no idea how to solve this. Most of menu bars are unusable and some disappear above the top of the screen, as well as both headers and status bars. 99% can't be moved either, the only thing that allows me to do something are keybord shortcuts. Some functions are disabled, as clicking on firefox options (but using shortcuts that works)
[04:25] <enrico_> Moreover, most windows won't fit to full screen
[04:30] <enrico_> my desktop files and folders are all disappeared
[04:31] <enrico_> Of course I can see them via file manager, but they just don't show on desktop
[08:00] <Guest7622> anyone get the same problem as me when doing apt-get update when reaches firefox update downliad part freezes?
[08:02] <Guest7622> bye
[10:12] <knosys> i would like that ubuntu recognize the volume keys on my keyboard, nomatter where is my focus on my interface
[10:12] <knosys> that would be a nice evolution
[10:12] <knosys> i would like that ubuntu recognize the volume keys on my keyboard, nomatter where is my focus on my interface
[10:12] <knosys> oops
[10:12] <knosys> lol
[10:13] <knosys> excuse me, i was scrolled up and didnt see what was sended
[10:13] <knosys> didnt men to repeat
[10:13] <knosys> mean*
[11:50] <langit> malam
[11:50] <langit> hallo?
[11:52] <facepalm> Do you have a question?
[11:58] <langit> just say hello to try this OS, im newbie,,, im sorry
[11:58] <langit> how to install dropbox an gdrive in xubuntu?
[11:59] <Azelphur> langit: dropbox has Linux support, just download and install as usual, it'll automatically give you the right file (a .deb)
[12:00] <facepalm> You could also apt-get install nautilus-dropbox
[12:00] <langit> oke, thx guys...
[12:03] <langit> its work,,,,,
[12:03] <langit> Please restart all running instances of Nautilus, or you will experience problems. i.e. nautilus --quit
[12:03] <langit> Dropbox installation successfully completed! You can start Dropbox from your applications menu.
[12:03] <langit> Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-0ubuntu6.3) ...
[12:05] <facepalm> Did dropbox open after that?
[12:06] <facepalm> If so click start, then login or create your account.
[12:07] <langit> oke, thx.. has done
[12:07] <facepalm> Awesome :)
[12:08] <langit> my first xubuntu :)
[12:10] <facepalm> You'll enjoy it.
[17:13] <nomic> having trouble installing 14.04 on a 16gb machine
[17:13] <nomic> ram
[17:15] <nomic> machine running win 7 .. hp workstation 16gb ram -- won't boot the 14.04 install dvd -- or even a 12.04 install usb .. is sitting there with a blank screen -- anyone got any ideas
[17:16] <facepalm> Did you check the iso's md5?
[17:16] <facepalm> How did you write the iso?
[17:18] <nomic> the iso has worked on other machines
[17:18] <nomic> im thinking of factory resetting the bios
[17:18] <nomic> nos
[17:18] <nomic> now
[17:19] <facepalm> Is the bios boot order set for cd/usb before hdd?
[17:19] <GridCube> !uefi | nomic
[17:19] <facepalm> ^ and that
[17:19] <nomic> yeah but this is an old (pre uefi) machine
[17:20] <nomic> i just want to blow away THE MICROSOFT TAX
[17:20]  * nomic spits
[17:20] <nomic> musta blanked 10 machines of THE MICROSOFT TAX
[17:20]  * nomic spits
[17:21] <knome> nomic, stop that.
[17:21] <nomic> wrote to dell, it was -- once & they never replied
[17:21] <nomic> ok knome
[17:22] <GridCube> nomic, see if anything of this helps you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[17:23] <facepalm> Is it a dvd/cd or flash drive? I've occasionally had issues with flash installs where rewriting the iso to said drive has helped.
[17:24] <nomic> dvd
[17:24] <nomic> mebbe try adjusting acpi down the line re: bootoptions
[17:32] <nomic> accesses the install dvd a lot -- then nothing -- flashing cursor - topleft .. will wait a bit longer -- a lot longer
[17:36] <nomic> igoing to tri another linux (install)
[17:43] <nomic> why the hell would a bios reset -- machine that recognises the sata disk -- not boot the install dvd
[17:44] <nomic> hp workstation
[17:44] <nomic> is going through (cycling) the cd rom for a minute or so - then stops, blank screen
[17:44] <facepalm> Maybe you should check to make sure your drive is functioning correctly.
[17:44] <nomic> showsz the purple keybaord at first
[17:45] <nomic> the drive ran windows 7
[17:45] <nomic> but since the factory reset -- that says it needs repairing -- maybe I should go through its "repair"
[17:46] <facepalm> I don't think repairing windows has anything to do with it.
[17:46] <facepalm> Maybe try using a flash drive instead.
[17:46] <nomic> yeah but the drive isn't ok now -- there may be something wrong
[17:46] <nomic> since the bios reset
[17:47] <nomic> im trying that - then I try a usb install again
[17:49] <nomic> im calm about this -- dunno why
[17:49] <nomic> I see a working PC, a working hard drive
[17:51] <nomic> i think windows -- said "windows found proble with your computers startup (bios??) option" -- repairing & rebooting
[17:51] <nomic> something obvious maybe
[18:09] <nomic> just a bit of circling around options & I now have 12.04 @ least installing .. tyvm ... that'll probably install --- I'll go through that (text install) .. then get to 14.04 ... would probably install right away 14.04 but I'll leave it installing 12.04 for now ... tyvm people
[18:19] <xubuntu492> hello
[18:19] <xubuntu492> is anyone online
[18:19] <Alftand> hello?
[18:19] <elfy> 140 other people are online - not necessarily about
[18:19] <holstein> Alftand: yes.. just ask if you have a support question, and use the ot chan for chat. cheers
[18:19] <elfy> ask the question if someone can answer they will :)
[18:19] <Alftand> ok
[18:20] <Alftand> i've just installed a new OS (xubuntu) after my experimenting with kde went terribly wrong
[18:20] <Alftand> do you have any advice for the do's and dont's on a fresh xubuntu install?
[18:21] <holstein> Alftand: what are you used to using? windows?
[18:21] <Alftand> i switched from windows a few months ago
[18:21] <Alftand> i went windows
[18:21] <Alftand> mint
[18:21] <Alftand> xubuntu
[18:21] <holstein> think about how long you used windows "as-is" and didnt try messing with anything.. and try and have that same level of patience with yourself as you get used to xubuntu/linux
[18:22] <Alftand> ok
[18:22] <Alftand> thx
[18:22] <elfy> editing system files - back them up first
[18:22] <holstein> when experiementing, use a guest account or a live CD.. have good backups, no matter what os you use.. and dont use "sudo" commands lightly
[18:22] <Alftand> im on a live usb now
[18:23] <elfy> when I first started - after reinstalling 3 times in one week - I got used to trying things out in a vm first
[18:23] <holstein> Alftand: you cant break that live environment in any permanent way.
[18:23] <facepalm> Breaking things can be fun.
[18:23] <facepalm> Just be sure to always have a current backup.
[18:23] <holstein> yup.. VM ^ is handy as well. .with virtualbox and other virtualizers you can save "Snapshots" from before you break things
[18:24] <elfy> most important thing to remember is that linux is not windows - not a free replacement for windows - it's different
[18:24] <Alftand> im very inexperienced with xfce
[18:24] <holstein> breaking things is a great way to learn.. but, being prepared for that breakage can help you not be frustrated, or blame the OS
[18:24] <elfy> and when you ask people support things try and remember that we'll think the windows way is wrong :)
[18:24] <Alftand> ik
[18:24] <Alftand> quick poll
[18:24] <Alftand> panel on top
[18:24] <Alftand> or panel on bottom
[18:24] <Alftand> ?
[18:25] <elfy> whatever works for you ;)
[18:25] <holstein> you can put a panel where you like. use the live CD to experiment
[18:25] <Alftand> what is your opinions
[18:25] <Alftand> ?
[18:25] <elfy> you can have it on the side - on the side as a deskbar
[18:25] <holstein> my opinion is, it should be what works for you, and the individual user
[18:25] <facepalm> I use bottom.. With the whisker menu to the right and the time to the left.
[18:25] <Hedgework> Alftand: You'll find that one of the good things about Linux in general is that you have a lot of freedom to change it to fit you better...or break horribly.  Power works both ways.  Most of us learned by breaking things; that's totally okay.  Just learn to keep good backups, and never experiment on a system you desperately need for some work task in three hours.
[18:25] <knome> Alftand, we don't really like polls much on this channel, since everything is so subjective. some people don't even use panels.
[18:26] <Hedgework> knome: I don't even use Xfce (the desktop environment that comes with xubuntu)
[18:26] <Hedgework> err, Alftand ^^^
[18:26] <elfy> Alftand: try them all - see what works for you
[18:26] <Alftand> kk
[18:26] <Hedgework> Alftand: What other people use or like isn't really predictive of what will work for you.  Humans are *incredibly* varied.
[18:26] <Alftand> i dont like the deskbar thingy
[18:26]  * Hedgework would put emacs keybindings on the world and call all UI problems "solved"
[18:27] <Alftand> i might go for the top
[18:27]  * Hedgework would then be lynched
[18:27] <Alftand> just to hate windows
[18:28] <elfy> Alftand: so in summary - backup, try things in a seperate environment if you can (live, vm) - your preferences will not be anyone else's in the end :)
[18:28] <Alftand> and 1 more question
[18:28] <elfy> just enjoy playing for a while
[18:28] <Alftand> how can u get the super key to open the menu
[18:29] <Alftand> how u get that key binding
[18:29] <Hedgework> Alftand: Somewhere in settings, there is a thing for keyboard shortcuts...be careful because there are actually two: one for Xfce4 keybindings, and one for launching other applications.
[18:29] <Hedgework> Alftand: Just poke around until you find it. :)
[18:30] <elfy> kbd - app shortcut - edit the line for xfce4-popup-whiskermenu
[18:31] <Alftand> do you just use xubuntu due to low memory consumption
[18:31] <Alftand> or do you just prefer it
[18:31] <Alftand> ?
[18:31] <elfy> prefer it
[18:31] <Alftand> same
[18:31] <elfy> Alftand: you'd be better chatting in #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[18:32] <elfy> this is really just the support channel
[18:32] <Alftand> kk
[18:32] <Hedgework> Alftand: I use Xubuntu on my work systems because it comes with slightly less pre-installed stuff I don't like than other *buntu variants, but still has the incredible binary package availability of Ubuntu.
[18:32] <Alftand> sorry if i was causing any nuisance
[18:32] <Alftand> cya
[18:32] <elfy> sigh
[18:33] <Hedgework> Alftand: I'm more of a power user, so *buntu isn't my first choice, but my personal systems are source-based distros (types of Linux where I custom-build every little thing to my spec) and that's not terribly practical when someone says "I found a vulnerability in XYZ" and I don't have time to compile it's 32 dependencies.
[18:33] <Hedgework> hrm.
[18:35] <Hedgework> elfy: I really don't get this channel sometimes.  Really tolerant of BS users who demand help with problems they don't explain, demand expressions of expertise from people giving them free help, and otherwise being support leeches...but a perfectly polite newb coming in from the web UI who just wanted general guidance we're harsh with?
[18:35] <knome> Hedgework, this is not the channel to discuss that either... if you insist, you can discuss that at #ubuntu-ops
[18:35]  * Hedgework sighs and gets back to work.
[18:44] <knosys> Hello, isnt there a way in xfce to see in the file system navigator the time when files were modified?
[18:44] <knosys> i can see the date, but not the time
[18:45] <Hedgework> knosys: 'ls -lh' will give it to you on the command line...no idea about the gui thing
[18:45] <knosys> i saw i can configure the columns on the windows, but there is no colum named "Time of modification"
[18:45] <knosys> i see ok. Thanks
[18:45] <knosys> That should be a suggestion for next versions :D
[18:48] <elfy> knosys: open thunar preferences -  display tab - at the bottom - change what date format is
[18:48] <knosys> elfy i will look for that, thanks so much
[18:49]  * elfy didn't actually know, just went to look at Thunar prefs - so I learnt something too ;)
[18:50] <knosys> awesome, thats what i needed
[18:50] <knosys> thanks both!
[19:05] <xubuntu202> salve, qualcuno può aiutarmi con l'installazione?
[19:06] <elfy> !it | xubuntu202
 Thanks
[22:50] <nomic> 14.04 won't run on this hp workstation xw6400 with 16gb ram -- 12.04 will .. 14.04 works on an xw6400 with 4gb ram
[23:29] <nomic> i got a hp workstation with 16gb of ram installed and it only recognises 2gb why is this?
[23:29] <nomic> xubuntu 14.04
[23:30] <Azelphur> nomic: installed 32bit OS?
[23:30] <nomic> no 64bit
[23:30] <nomic> will check brb
[23:30] <Azelphur> nomic: do uname -a
[23:33] <nomic> uname -a doesn't have 64 in it
[23:33] <nomic> i dunno why I got a 32 bit system -- that'll be the problem right
[23:34] <nomic> see -- the live cd 14.04 it won'#t even boot
[23:34] <nomic> Linux x9 3.2.0-58-generic #88-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 3 17:40:43 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[23:34] <nomic> thats a 32 bit system
[23:36] <nomic> yeah -- I mistakenly got the 32 bit iso
[23:37] <nomic> dang
[23:37] <nomic> i just didn't check
[23:37] <nomic> so .. I now re-attempt
[23:37] <nomic> but -- why doesn't a 64 bit install boot?
[23:37] <nomic> must try 12.04 64 bit now
[23:38] <nomic> what I think is that the 14.04 dvd (install) .. can't boot it at all as it is 32 bit?
[23:39] <nomic> that can't be right -- how do you install a 64 bit system
[23:39] <nomic> maybe I try the net install
[23:41] <nomic> I noticed weeks back that the 14.04 install isn't a 32 bit / 64 bit separate version anymore
[23:41] <nomic> Im hoping to be able to install 12.04 64 bit now, and then upgrade it
[23:42] <nomic> managd to get a hp workstation with 4 corte processor and 16gb ram 1tb hard drive for the unbelievable price of £189
[23:42] <nomic> could not resist it
[23:43] <nomic> xw6400, which I already run
[23:43] <Azelphur> nomic: yea, that's 32bit
[23:44]  * nomic nods .. was a mistake
[23:44] <Azelphur> and the 64bit should install
[23:44] <nomic> i keep a 32 bit 12.04 on disk for rescue purposes
[23:44] <nomic> just flashed the usb and ddin't check it
[23:44] <nomic> thanks
[23:57] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flqgdPX0RyQ  The Moderns - The Year of today
[23:58] <nomic> they're a mod tribute band
[23:58] <nomic> or copy
[23:59] <Azelphur> !offtopic | nomic
[23:59] <nomic> oops
[23:59] <nomic> wrong channel


[16:30] <dupondje> somebody around ? :)
[16:31] <micahg> !ask | dupondje
[16:31] <ubot2> dupondje: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[16:39] <dupondje> aha :) Well as mr Collin is buzzy alot, and I have (some) packaging skills, I would like to know if its maby possible to help a bit :)
[16:40] <dupondje> atm i'm really missing lightning updates :)