[12:04] <trappist> I'm ok with that
[12:05] <Blippe> :D
[12:07] <marco__> hi
[12:10] <marco__> hi is there anyone with nvidia geforce go 7600?
[12:11] <Blippe> no, but what is your problem with this card?
[12:19] <slow-motion> n8
[12:25] <nico8481> is there a way to prevent "copy" windows to get the focus when they popup?
[12:28] <LinuxCart> Hello what is the best way to copy/clone a DVD
[12:28] <LinuxCart> ?
[12:28] <kosh> probably k3b
[12:29] <jind> Depends on which content
[12:29] <LinuxCart> it's a DVD with some video
[12:29] <kosh> one dvd in one drive and a blank dvd disk in the other drive and burn it
[12:29] <kosh> is it a commercial protected one?
[12:29] <kosh> or just some business one
[12:29] <trappist> LinuxCart: http://flavor8.com/index.php/2006/03/26/how-to-back-up-your-dvds-in-ubuntu/
[12:30] <LinuxCart> I have tried k3b and it only reads 24 MB or so
[12:30] <LinuxCart> while it around 1hour of DVD video
[12:30] <LinuxCart> to be honest it's my wedding video :P
[12:30] <kosh> so no copy issues of any kind then
[12:31] <kosh> must be something screwy with k3b
[12:31] <kosh> can you just copy the files off and then burn them to a new dvd and see if that works?
[12:31] <LinuxCart> I've read the ubuntu guide, but it seems to me that doing a whole 4.7GB dd should be the best way
[12:31] <_mindspin> !ubuntuguide
[12:31] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, out of date, reported to break a lot and generally a bad source for information. Use help.ubuntu.com or wiki.ubuntu.com instead
[12:32] <ganymed> is anybody here proficient in javascript?
[12:32] <LinuxCart> my indirect problem is that the final user of this computer(laptop) wiil be my sister who's starting on computers
[12:33] <LinuxCart> and the worst is that she doesn't speak english very well
[12:33] <ganymed> LinuxCart: wow, you are introducing her to linux before ms...
[12:33] <LinuxCart> kosh: do you mean doing a simple cp and the burning the files onto a new DVD?
[12:33] <LinuxCart> ganymed: of course, wouldn't you?
[12:34] <MacAnthony> ganymed: it's a little off topic but I know a decent amount of javascript
[12:42] <ganymed> MacAnthony, thx, i know... but i am here anyway, so i'll jsut ask you
[12:43] <MacAnthony> I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't bother any one else
[12:43] <kosh> LinuxCart: yeah that would probably work
[12:43] <ganymed> i wanna open a new window but cannot do this via javascript as i submit variables via php. so i put the script in the file that is opened
[12:44] <LinuxCart> kosh: how confident are you on that?
[12:44] <kosh> LinuxCart: I just know it works with data and it sould work on a dvd, however there is no harm in you trying it
[12:45] <MacAnthony> ganymed: can't you use get line variables?
[12:45] <harm> who is using my name in vein!
[12:45] <MacAnthony> ex: popup.php?var1=whatever
[12:45] <ganymed> now i have changed the window size already, but i would like all the browser stuff (menulist and so on) to disappear. the page just displays a picture. how do i do that?
[12:46] <ganymed> MacAnthony: yes, thsi works... just i still have all the browser stuff...
[12:46] <kosh> it should NEVER have been possible with javascript to change the browser itself
[12:46] <ganymed> kosh: did you mean me?
[12:46] <ganymed> kosh: i am not programming pop-ups. i just wanna open a pic in a new window...
[12:46] <LinuxCart> a ptiy, but time to sleep guys
[12:47] <LinuxCart> cu all
[12:47] <ganymed> cu
[12:47] <MacAnthony> ganymed: do you have the window event working and just need help with the hiding of elements or the whole shebang
[12:47] <kosh> ganymed: yeah I don't like when people use javascript to get rid of the various window controls
[12:47] <ganymed> just wanna hide the elements, that's all.
[12:47] <XVampireX> Hey, can anyone tell me why SDL applications work so slow for me?
[12:48] <staale> hi everyone. Iv'e just install'd Kubuntu Dapper w/ 2.6.15 kernel.  Is it possible for anyone to past theyr /etc/apt/sources.list config to me at www.pastebin.org and gimmie the address? Would be great if the list includes many dependencies. PS: Sorry for my bad english.
[12:48] <ganymed> kosh: me neither, therefore i have a close button. that's all you need for the window
[12:48] <kosh> I don't like that javascript makes it possible to remove the menu etc
[12:48] <kosh> I make sure my browser won't honor that stuff
[12:48] <ganymed> you just said that :)
[12:49] <kosh> worse is when peope make things non resizeable
[12:49] <ganymed> so javascript is disabled?
[12:49] <ganymed> MacAnthony: any idea?
[12:49] <zorba64> staale: what did you do to it?
[12:49] <kosh> actually popups are very annoying since it seems an a lot of them try to absolute position the window with respect to the screen
[12:49] <MacAnthony> are you using document.open()?
[12:49] <ganymed> no
[12:50] <kosh> however on a quad head setup you end up with a popup window opening on monitor 1 instead of monitor 4 where my browser is
[12:50] <staale> zorba64: By a mistake, i deleted everything in it. I know it sounds redicolus, but its true, sadly.
[12:50] <MacAnthony> how are you opening the window?
[12:50] <MacAnthony> a link?
[12:50] <kosh> ganymed: you can turn javascript on in konqueror and still block what javascript can do to the window
[12:50] <ganymed> my script just is in the opened file and just says window.outerheight = ... and window.outerwidth =
[12:50] <ganymed> yes, with a link
[12:50] <MacAnthony> like target="_new" or something ganymed
[12:51] <kosh> ganymed: as long as you don't position it then it should work fine on higher rez devices, multiple monitors etc
[12:51] <ganymed> so that i can submit the _GET vars. yes with _blank
[12:52] <MacAnthony> ganymed: I think you can do it in mozilla browsers but not IE
[12:52] <staale> zorba64: do you mind giveing me yours?
[12:52] <MacAnthony> I don't think IE lets you write to the window.menubar, etc attributes
[12:52] <ganymed> forget IE... it's shitty anyway
[12:52] <ganymed> well, that's actually a point FOR IE
[12:53] <kosh> the server should just be able to hand the client code that "suggests
[12:53] <ganymed> but anyway, it's horror, at least the version my xp has... yes i HAVE to use it from time to time
[12:53] <kosh> that a given item be opened in a new window
[12:53] <mihai_> how can I print the total number of bytes from all the files in the current directory
[12:53] <mihai_> hi
[12:53] <ganymed> hi
[12:53] <staale> hi everyone. Iv'e just install'd Kubuntu Dapper w/ 2.6.15 kernel.  Is it possible for anyone to past theyr /etc/apt/sources.list config to me at www.pastebin.org and gimmie the address? Would be great if the list includes many dependencies. PS: Sorry for my bad english.
[12:53] <MacAnthony> ganymed: you can try using window.menubar.visibility = false;
[12:54] <MacAnthony> menubar, toolbar, statusbar, locationbar, etc
[12:54] <ganymed> well, i have already trried window.menubar.visible = false;
[12:54] <oneman> hey
[12:54] <MacAnthony> visibility = false
[12:54] <oneman> I cant seem to get my fresh install of kunbutu to upgrade to kde 3.5.2 ? what gives?
[12:55] <oneman> I did the normal thing...
[12:55] <kosh> did you add the kde 3.5.2 deb line?
[12:55] <oneman> jeah
[12:55] <oneman> it seems like its holding them back
[12:55] <ganymed> no, doesn't work
[12:55] <kosh> try do sudo apt-get update
[12:55] <kosh> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:55] <staale> anyone might help me?
[12:55] <kosh> and see if it wants to do anything
[12:56] <oneman> yeah ive done that
[12:56] <staale> I'm only asking for a copy paste delivering here...
[12:56] <jtshaw> staale: I'm working on it
[12:56] <kosh> oneman: and it doesn't want to upgrade anything?
[12:56] <staale> jtshaw: thank you very much:)
[12:56] <oneman> now its giving me the new kernel
[12:56] <oneman> .12-10
[12:56] <MacAnthony> ganymed: other than that, I know you can pass variable throught using the window.open() function
[12:56] <MacAnthony> ganymed: that's the only way I've ever done it
[12:56] <frank23> !tell stale about easysource
[12:57] <kosh> oneman: can you do dpkg -l kdebase and tell me the version?
[12:57] <oneman> http://rafb.net/paste/results/KdNujE32.html
[12:57] <frank23> !tell staale about easysource
[12:58] <ganymed> MacAnthony: how? last time i tried it i lost all my vars, it just didn't submit them
[12:58] <jtshaw> staale: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/629874
[12:58] <staale> jtshaw: tnx
[12:59] <oneman> kosh, looks like apt-get dist-upgrade is the only way to get them now
[12:59] <kosh> ganymed: okay so your system does not think that kde is installed
[12:59] <oneman> its working tho i think..
[12:59] <jtshaw> staale: Just so you know.. I've uncommented everything and included multiverse in my source.list....
[12:59] <oneman> wierd
[12:59] <MacAnthony> ganymed: replace your link with onclick="window.open('file.php', 'newWin', 'height=##,width=##');"
[12:59] <staale> jtshaw: Good, i like that
[01:00] <kosh> ganymed: can you do sudo apt-get install kde-core
[01:00] <frank23> staale: check the easysource link ubotu sent. you can custom build your sources.list
[01:00] <XVampireX> How do I install drivers for my graphics card?
[01:00] <frank23> XVampireX: ati or nvidia?
[01:00] <XVampireX> nvidia
[01:00] <frank23> !tell XVampireX about nvidia
[01:01] <MacAnthony> ganymed: make sure for your file.php you include any get line variables too ex: file.php?var=text&var2=text
[01:01] <oneman> !tell oneman about nvidia
[01:01] <XVampireX> thanks
[01:01] <Riddell> !gr
[01:01] <ubotu> Elate sto #ubuntu-gr gia Elliniki sizitisi
[01:01] <frank23> oneman: do  /msg ubotu nvidia   instead
[01:01] <Kyral> whee! Kerry hit the repos :D
[01:01] <staale> frank23: will do:)
[01:01] <oneman> aye
[01:01] <oneman> ok
[01:01] <oneman> thanks much guys
[01:01] <oneman> rebootng
[01:03] <ganymed> MacAnthony: and how do i call the file... i mean, how does the link look like (i am asking because i have already done this)...
[01:04] <MacAnthony> Text
[01:05] <jorik> or href="javascript:windows.open(.....);" =)
[01:05] <MacAnthony> or that too, but I'm not sure if the javascript: psuedo link works with xhtml
[01:06] <MacAnthony> thanks jorik :)
[01:06] <jorik> np
[01:06] <MacAnthony> I keep forgetting about that because I usually use the onclick event
[01:06] <jorik> hey does anyone know of a site where the init process in kubuntu is explained ? (the stuff in /etc/init.d)
[01:06] <ganymed> so i put the get vars in the onclick handler?
[01:07] <jtshaw> jorik: I don't know of a site.. but I can explain it to you if you'd like
[01:07] <staale> I know this might sound redicolus, but... ..Can anyone please explain what's the diffrense between Dapper, Horay etc is?
[01:07] <jtshaw> staale: Versions of Kubuntu basically
[01:07] <MacAnthony> ganymed: Text
[01:08] <staale> jtshaw: So its just names, like xbox, xbox 360, xbox3 etc?
[01:08] <jtshaw> staale: basically, yes
[01:08] <staale> jtshaw: Okey, thankyou
[01:08] <MacAnthony> for newWin, you can put whatever you want - it's just a name to reference the window in the future
[01:12] <XVampireX> I'm stupid!
[01:12] <ganymed> MacAnthony: now nothing happens when i click on the link... hmmmm
[01:12] <XVampireX> I could have never guessed that the system is slow because I didn't install the video drivers!
[01:12] <XVampireX> woot!
[01:12] <XVampireX> bbl, thanks people!
[01:12] <MacAnthony> hmm, can you put it in the pastebin ganymed?
[01:13] <MacAnthony> I can test it out and try it
[01:13] <ganymed> can tell me about pastebin...
[01:14] <ganymed> ok, got it
[01:14] <ganymed> one mom
[01:16] <ganymed> MacAnthony: could it be because i have # in my href attribute?
[01:16] <MacAnthony> ganymed: the onclick event should still fire
[01:16] <mihai_> please help me: i need to use awk to process the ls -l output in order do calculate the sum of all the files from the current directory that were last modified in novembere (11th month of the year)
[01:16] <ganymed> it is: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/629892
[01:17] <MacAnthony> the # in the href just allows the anchor to look like a link
[01:17] <staale> what dependencie do i have to install to get all movies work and mp3 files work? Thanks for replies
[01:17] <ganymed> this is just the one line. tell me if you need mroe
[01:17] <ganymed> more
[01:18] <MacAnthony> ganymed: I think I know the problem, but give me a sec to test it out
[01:19] <staale> anyone that knows?
[01:21] <kevman> Well, Kubuntu is really pissing me off.
[01:21] <klab> :(
[01:22] <klab> whyyy
[01:22] <jorik> kevman, whats the matter ?
[01:22] <klab> :D
[01:22] <kevman> I followed the instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=AddingJavaSupport for adding Java support to Firefox. Now Firefox won't start.
[01:22] <MacAnthony> ganymed: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/629901
[01:22] <kevman> INTERNAL ERROR on the browser end: Could not get Plugin Manager.
[01:22] <MacAnthony> the double quotes inside the javascript were causing the problem, ganymed
[01:23] <ganymed> thx very much
[01:23] <wedgeV> hi, i'm getting an error with "kscreensaver-xsavers", dpkg says its trying to overwrite a file which is in packe kscreensaver
[01:23] <MacAnthony> no problem
[01:23] <kevman> Anyone have any idea how do get that working?
[01:24] <wedgeV> how do i resolve this?
[01:24] <ganymed> MacAnthony: it works, thx very much... :)
[01:25] <MacAnthony> np
[01:25] <Riddell> ubotu: gr is #kubuntu-gr
[01:25] <ubotu> ...but gr is already something else...
[01:27] <Riddell> ubotu: gr is #kubuntu-gr
[01:27] <ubotu> i already had it that way, Riddell
[01:27] <Riddell> !gr
[01:27] <ubotu> gr is, like, #kubuntu-gr
[01:27] <Riddell> My8os: ping
[01:27] <Riddell> ubotu: forget gr
[01:27] <ubotu> i forgot gr, Riddell
[01:28] <Kyral> hey Riddell
[01:28] <Riddell> My8os: now you have to go  ubotu: gr is xxx  where xxx is a pointer to #ubuntu-gr and #kubuntu-gr in greek
[01:30] <Kyral> hey Riddell, is there anything different between packaging for KDE as opposed to what I am used to for GNOME?
[01:31] <My8os> ubotu: gr is #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr    | #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia ellhnes xrhstes
[01:31] <ubotu> i'm not going to learn illegal characters, My8os
[01:31] <Riddell> My8os: hmm, guess it doesn't like utf8
[01:31] <Riddell> My8os: you'll need to say it in english
[01:31] <Riddell> Kyral: not much, they both use cdbs
[01:32] <My8os> i'll just write it in "greeklish", its the second part of the previous sentence
[01:32] <Kyral> Riddell: hehe thats what I though
[01:32] <My8os> ubotu: gr is #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia ellhnes xrhstes
[01:32] <ubotu> My8os: okay
[01:32] <Riddell> !gr
[01:32] <ubotu> well, gr is #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia ellhnes xrhstes
[01:32] <Riddell> yay
[01:32] <My8os> good ;)
[01:32] <Kyral> there are a couple apps on KDE-Apps I wanna package, like Kio-Resources
[01:32] <Riddell> Kyral: cool
[01:33] <ganymed> ciao
[01:33] <Riddell> Kyral: put them on revu when you've done them and poke us in #kubuntu-devel
[01:33] <Kyral> but that will have to wait for a month or two
[01:33] <Kyral> all *buntu work is on hold until school is over
[01:33] <Kyral> renice ubuntu-work 19 :P
[01:37] <XVampireX> Are there no repositories of kdevelop?
[01:38] <XVampireX> oy, nevermind, found it
[01:38] <kosh> kdevelp3 is in the main archives
[01:39] <kevman> I assume it IS possible to have firefox and Java in Kubuntu? Have other people had success?
[01:40] <XVampireX> Err, it is possible...
[01:41] <kevman> I followed the instructions to the letter.
[01:41] <XVampireX> works just fine for me
[01:43] <man2d> where dapper will be released?
[01:43] <jtshaw> kevman: I have it working... I dunno about hte instructions, but all I did was install java and make a symbolic link of the mozilla plugin
[01:43] <nik777> Hi folks - I have a quick quextion regarding installing kubuntu on multiple systems
[01:43] <man2d> *when :)
[01:43] <XVampireX> man2d: 2nd june IIRC
[01:43] <kevman> That's what I did.
[01:44] <XVampireX> err, june 2nd
[01:44] <man2d> thx
[01:45] <jtshaw> so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so?
[01:46] <nik777> I was wondering what is the best way to eliminate downloading applications from the repositories for each machine? Can I cache/copy the packages downloaded during the first installation for use in subsequent installations, or does the DVD or liveCD have all packages on the media?
[01:47] <man2d> have somebody updated kde to 3.5.2 already?
[01:47] <jtshaw> man2d: I did this morning
[01:48] <kosh> no problems here with dapper or breezy and 3.5.2
[01:48] <man2d> what is the difference?
[01:48] <man2d> with 3.5.1?
[01:49] <jtshaw> my understand is it is mostly bugfixes.  Though my system tray icons now have two per column so I suppose they take up less space
[01:49] <jtshaw> my understanding....
[01:50] <kevman> is this correct? libjavaplugin_oji.so: symbolic link to `/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so'
[01:52] <man2d> in past 3 hours ill get kde 352 on my machine too 8)
[01:52] <jtshaw> kevman: perhaps... is there a mozilla directory in /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ ?
[01:53] <jtshaw> if so, I'd think you'd want to link to the mozilla version and not the netscape version
[01:53] <kevman> jtshaw, no, only "ns7"  and "ns7-gcc29" The former is empty.
[01:54] <jtshaw> kevman: apparently we have different java packages installed then
[01:54] <kevman> jtshaw, mine's sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update06_i386
[01:55] <ep> I've got qt 4.0 but I need 4.1.  How should I go about getting it?
[01:56] <jtshaw> Kevman: I'm using the j2re1.4 package from dapper which is a blackdown package
[01:56] <XVampireX> Any websites with tips and tricks for linux?
[01:57] <man2d> http://google.ru/linux
[01:57] <man2d> http://google.com/linux
[01:57] <man2d> :)
[01:57] <XVampireX> Ah, you're russian too :P
[01:57] <regeya> heh
[01:57] <kevman> Well, I'm gonna give up and move to Gentoo in about 10 minutes :/
[01:57] <XVampireX> I got no problems with russian ;) I'm from ukraine but live in Israel :P
[01:57] <nico8481> ! :)
[01:57] <XVampireX> kevman, don't :P
[01:58] <kevman> This shouldn't be difficult. It should either be a single command, or the instructions on the site should be correct.
[01:58] <XVampireX> Da, privet, kak dela? Ty znaesh yestli razreshayut tut razgovarevat na ruskom?
[01:58] <nico8481> anyone uses amaroK to transfer files to a removable player?
[01:58] <man2d> hehe
[01:59] <regeya> why in the world do people think that's going to be the magic code to getting help?
[01:59] <kevman> I'll try blackdown; I obviously messed up Sun somewhere between step four and 15.
[01:59] <XVampireX> nico: How do you use cyrillic?
[01:59] <man2d>  =)
[01:59] <XVampireX> I didn't see that...
[01:59] <regeya> "well, I'm gonna give up and use [distribution]  then!"  why do people think that advocacy extortion is the magic cure-all when nobody knows the answer?
[01:59] <nico8481> XVampireX: just select the right keyboards layout in your KDE settings
[02:00] <man2d> XVampireX: kakoi klient?
[02:00] <XVampireX> Is it translit or russian keyboard?
[02:00] <XVampireX> Konversation
[02:00] <regeya> kevman, I just used the instructions on the RestrictedFormats page on the wiki last night, and it worked like a charm.  make sure you're using the proper package.  I heartily recommend the sun implementation.  they seem to know a bit about java. ;-)
[02:00] <nico8481> XVampireX: what do you mean? it uses a russian keyboard map on your keyboard (here i wrote the cyrillic letters on my keyboard with a pen :p)
[02:00] <regeya> !RestrictedFormats
[02:00] <ubotu> I guess restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[02:01] <kevman> Java sucks anyway, but half the world runs on it.
[02:01] <XVampireX> Ah, nevermind... I thought it works like www.translit.ru
[02:01] <man2d> XVampireX: nazhmi pravoi knopkoi myshi po kanalu i viberi kodirovka - cp1251
[02:01] <nico8481> XVampireX: go to settings>Regional&accessibility>keyboard layout
[02:02] <nico8481> XVampireX: check the box "enable keyboard layouts", and add all the layouts you want to use
[02:02] <XVampireX> I'm on linux, kubuntu, not ubuntu
[02:02] <man2d> or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg :)
[02:02] <man2d> and reconfigure ur x
[02:02] <XVampireX> Oh well
[02:03] <nik777> kevman: I had the same frustration getting the Java plugin working on Fedora Core 4 as well. Divining the correct library and location is not obvious - but I doubt that changing distro is going to help. I think the problem is with Firefox - it should be able to set up the plugin itself - it's not as if Java is an unusual plugin...
[02:03] <staale> Hi everyone. I just got myself a brand new wireless network card. Ive done with all the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces, Im getting on the internett with it etcetc. I just need to know how to add it so it starts up while starting up the pc, anyone has any idea?
[02:03] <man2d> nico8481: where r u from?
[02:03] <nico8481> man2d: belgium
[02:04] <kevman> nik777, in Gentoo, all I did was "USE="java" emerge mozilla-firefox" I have full Java support now.
[02:04] <ep> I have breezy, Qt 4.1.x has been out for quite some time.  How come it's not availible via the repositories?
[02:04] <regeya> kevman, what implementation of java are you trying to install...
[02:04] <man2d> i think it is not right place to say "gentoo rulezz" :D
[02:04] <kevman> Sun.
[02:04] <kevman> Well, the installation IS a massive pain in Gentoo.
[02:05] <nico8481> man2d: you?
[02:05] <nik777> staale: I'm *very* new to kubuntu, but on my *other* KDE distro, I have done this both by using the 'System Tools | Network Device Control" GUI tool, or editing the interface config file.
[02:06] <man2d> russia, spb
[02:06] <staale> nik777: Correct me if I am very wrong about this; I need to do "rc-update add ra0 boot"
[02:06] <nik777> kevman: I have even less experience with emerge than with kubuntu, but that is a reasonably easy approach. I still think firefox should just "Make It Work(TM)"
[02:07] <kevman> Opps. I might have gotten it.
[02:07] <regeya> kevman, I honestly have to say that I grabbed one of the .bins mentioned on the RestrictedFormats site and just followed instructions.  I wish I had some advice, some pitfalls to avoid, etc. but I don't. :-(
[02:07] <staale> Anyone, is "rc-update add ra0 boot" wrong, if I want to get ra0 starting up while starting pc?
[02:07] <kevman> Nope.
[02:08] <nik777> staale: that very well may work. I'm an old RedHat/Fedora Core guy, so I tend to just edit the config files...
[02:08] <staale> nik777: ok, thanks
[02:08] <ep> is Qt 4.1.x apt-gettable. If it is, what flavor of Debian do I need and would this be Qt v 4.1.0 or 4.1.1 ?
[02:09] <ep> wrong channel
[02:09] <kevman> Oh, man.
[02:09] <man2d> does somebody play wingames with wine?
[02:10] <kevman> Now the plugins directory is empty.
[02:10] <kosh> ep: in ubuntu dapper qt4 is at version 4.1.0
[02:10] <man2d> where i need go?)
[02:11] <kevman> OK, so, I have this file: "/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so"
[02:11] <kevman> what do I do with it?
[02:11] <kosh> ep: it looks like debian sid is also using 4.1.0
[02:11] <nik777> kevman: does your machine use GCC 2.9  or 3.x for it's compilation? I would suspect 3.x, in which case the gcc29 file is probably incompatible
[02:12] <kosh> ep: if you do a search for apt-cache search qt4  you will find all the packages for it
[02:12] <staale> rc-update command not found:( Please help me out here someone, Im an old gentoo geek. Totaly new to kubuntu. Anyone know what the command for adding ra0 to startup is?
[02:12] <kosh> ep: or you can use adept and type in qt4 for what to search for and then install all of them
[02:12] <kevman> nik777, then how do I get a different one?
[02:13] <ep> I have breezy ( i think)  How do i check :-)  Does that matter?
[02:13] <nik777> kevman: my understanding (based on trial, much error, and a little success) is that you can create a symbolic link to the plugin library from one of two places: The global plugin directory for your browser (typically /use/...) or you private firefox directory (either ~/.firefox/...   or  ~/.mozilla/firefox/...)
[02:13] <kevman> But I have what you think is an incompabtible one.
[02:14] <staale> Please anyone... Need help herer. I am going to bed soon, cuz im tierd. Would have been great if someone could help me out on this one..
[02:14] <me2win> !xgl
[02:14] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[02:14] <kevman> The ns7 directory is empty.
[02:14] <nik777> kevman: can you search your Java installation for all "*libjava*"?
[02:15] <staale> rc-update command not found:( Please help me out here someone, Im an old gentoo geek. Totaly new to kubuntu. Anyone know what the command for adding ra0 to startup is?
[02:15] <ep> apt cache-search qt4 list the files available but it doesn't specify which version, what's the command line swiitch to get that?
[02:15] <amauri> alguem do brasil
[02:16] <kevman> nik777, how would I go about doing that?
[02:16] <nik777> staale: is there a Network entry on your "System Tools" menu?
[02:17] <staale> nik777: I only like command line:/
[02:17] <Arcanimus> 'lo all
[02:17] <nik777> kevman: If you are used to the file search (eg, Konqueror), then use that. If you prefer the command-line then: 'find <path-to-java> -name "*libjava*" '
[02:18] <nik777> staale: ok, see what in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts
[02:19] <kevman> 6 lines. Paste here OK?
[02:19] <nik777> staale: I am expecting you will see one or more "ifcfg-xxx" files
[02:19] <ep> I'm assuming it's 4.0.0.... Maybe I need to update my sources?  My breezy is nice and stable.  Isn't dapper still a non-release version?
[02:19] <nik777> kevman: I don't mind...
[02:20] <kevman> here: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/629968
[02:20] <staale> nik777: doesn't exist
[02:20] <staale> =/
[02:20] <staale> nik777: dont bother, got it fixed myself
[02:20] <staale> but thanks for the trie...
[02:20] <nik777> staale: no worries - I actually came here to ask questions myself - but always happy to try to help.
[02:20] <nik777> What worked, BTW?
[02:21] <staale> I tried use the interface:P And it WORKED:O
[02:21] <kevman> nik777, thing this one will work: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so ?
[02:21] <staale> I allways hate interface. cuz i think its buggy. But now it worked, so im happy suprised:P
[02:22] <nik777> kevman: Yup, that's the one I was going to recommend.
[02:22] <kevman> nik777, use that name for the link?
[02:22] <nik777> staale: I don't trust Ghastly User Interface things either - particularly for sysadmin :o)
[02:23] <staale> nik777: hehe;P
[02:23] <nik777> kevman: yes, I think it's important that the link has the same name as the library it points to
[02:24] <shawn___> hi
[02:24] <nik777> kevman: in case no has told you, my experience is: A) you need to shutdown and restart firefox for the plugin to be initialised and B) the java plugin doesn't show in the plugin list, **even when it is correctly installed**
[02:25] <kevman> nik777, my experience, too :/
[02:25] <shawn___> I'm trying to upgrade dapper to KDE 3.5.2 and get this http://pastebin.com/629974 error
[02:26] <kevman> Problem, is, nik777, I assumed the official documentation would be correct. Obviously a bad one.
[02:26] <nik777> kevman: yes, I had the same trouble. I think the doco is waaay out of date compared to recent distributions, both of Java *and* firefox
[02:27] <kevman> nik777, its starts now. No java.
[02:27] <nik777> kevman: I'm just looking to see which plugin is working on my machine...
[02:30] <nik777> kevman: can you do this: find /usr/lib -name "libnull*"
[02:31] <kevman> Returns nothing.
[02:31] <nik777> kevman: ok, try: find /usr -name "libnull*"
[02:32] <JohnFlux> http://wwwf.centos.org.nyud.net:8090/127_story.html?storyid=127  <--- for every helping person that has had to deal with an irrational user
[02:33] <kevman> nik777, Returns nothing.
[02:34] <Sergi0> JohnFlux lol i've read that yesterday, yea its a good one :) (and the patience the guys have, oh mang)
[02:34] <nik777> kevman: interesting...  on my machine, every firefox plugin directory has a "libnullplugin.so" in it. I was just trying to find out if there were more than one firefox plugin directory (there are about 5 on my machine)
[02:35] <JohnFlux> Sergi0: almost makes you want to switch to centos just for the tech support
[02:35] <kevman> nik777, there's a flash plugin installed and working...
[02:35] <nik777> kevman: ok try: find /usr -name plugins
[02:35] <nik777> kevman: did you install the flash plugin manually?
[02:36] <kevman> No, don't think so.
[02:36] <nik777> kevman: ok, try: find /usr -name "libflash*"
[02:37] <nik777> kevman: that will probably pick up a few extras, like openoffice...
[02:37] <Sergi0> JohnFlux thats another story
[02:37] <Sergi0> JohnFlux :)
[02:42] <kevman> nik777, there's a flash plugin installed and working...
[02:42] <kevman> nik777, there's a flash plugin installed and working...
[02:42] <kevman> WTF is going on.
[02:42] <kevman> nik777, Returns nothing.
[02:43] <nik777> kevman: dunno - I thought you had hiccups :o)
[02:43] <kevman> Anyway, still nothing. I placed that libjavaplugin_nscp.so in every place where there is libflash on the HD. Still nothing.
[02:43] <ArthurB> Hi, dpkg stalls on: "Setting up kubuntu-artwork-usplash (6.06-1) ..." could anyone remove the package / reinstall it and tell me if he experiences the same problem ?
[02:44] <nik777> kevman: are you including the quotes in the command line? They are needed...
[02:44] <kevman> nik777, of course.
[02:44] <davebgimp> I just upgraded to KDE 3.5.2 and now Kopete won't connect to MSN and flat-out crashes when trying to access the configure setteings. Has anyone else had this problem?
[02:44] <nik777> kevman: just making sure...
[02:44] <kevman> nik777, just noticed, though. Forgot the *
[02:45] <nik777> kevman: ok, try find ~ -name "linflash*"
[02:45] <nik777> kevman: basically, searching in your home directory...
[02:45] <kevman> I did, and placed a link there. It didn't work.
[02:45] <nik777> kevman:  oops: taht should be: find ~ -name "libflash*"
[02:46] <ArthurB> ah no... just toook a long time to complete
[02:46] <kevman> "/home/normaluser/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[02:46] <kevman> " but I already plopped a link in there and tried it.
[02:47] <nik777> kevman: ok, you're ahead of me then. Was that a link to the libjavaplugin_nscp.so ?
[02:47] <kevman> /home/normaluser/.mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_nscp.so: symbolic link to `/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so'
[02:48] <nik777> kevman: ok, well, the next plugin library I'd try would be: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[02:49] <kevman> I've already tried that one.
[02:50] <darkmatter1> hello
[02:50] <inuka> hi, i'm having problems with my sound on kubuntu, can anyone help? i followed the alsa setup instructructions on the wiki, to install libesd-alsa0 and set it up like they said.. i then install skype_dsp_hijacker, as my skype only allowed me to make one call at a time.. but now, that doesn't work all the time, and i can't hear ANY other sound on my pc, even when skype isn't running!! any advice?
[02:51] <inuka> when i try to change to alsa, esd ot auto detect hardware in the sound setting, i get an error too..
[02:52] <nik777> kevman: which version of Java do you have (that post has scrolled off the top of the page)
[02:53] <kevman> jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin
[02:53] <darkmatter1> I Installed Kubuntu Breezy onto my comuter (secondary hard drive)  with winxp on my master.  The install went fine, but when it tried to reboot, GRUB started said, starting GRUB 1.5, GRUB loading...please wait, then ERROR 21,    I went to the GRUB website, and ERROR 21 means no device recognized.  As I mentioned before, I want to dual boot winxp and kubuntu.  At the moment, i can not get into either.  What are my choices.  I know I can u
[02:53] <darkmatter1> se a windows boot disk and do a fixmbr, but what could I do so that i can still use kubuntu, because I love Linux.  I also need to get my data from my winxp
[02:53] <ArthurB> do you have /dev/dsp ?
[02:53] <nik777> kevman: wierd, same as mine, and I have a ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so in there. How about I post it on a server, and you download it to try?
[02:54] <ArthurB> darkmatter... well most in the  same way, you can boot using a linux livecd and fix your grub
[02:54] <kevman> nik777, ok
[02:54] <darkmatter1> well, I reinstalled kubuntu, and got the same error
[02:54] <darkmatter1> so i think grub is fine
[02:54] <darkmatter1> its that it doesnt recongnize my drives
[02:54] <darkmatter1> I went and looked at my BIOS, but I couldnt distinguish the problem
[02:55] <ArthurB> do you use scsi drives ?
[02:55] <darkmatter1> uhhhhhh
[02:55] <darkmatter1> they are SATA
[02:55] <ArthurB> ok
[02:55] <ArthurB> don't think that should matter but ya never know :)
[02:55] <darkmatter1> yeah
[02:55] <darkmatter1> I have several live cd's
[02:55] <darkmatter1> and ive booted onto the dapper live cd since this problem, but I have no idea how to fix the issue
[02:56] <darkmatter1> Im also kinda on a time constraint because I have all of my homework files on there, not backed up, and due
[02:57] <ArthurB> might be a problem with your bios
[02:57] <darkmatter1> :/
[02:57] <darkmatter1> I dont really want to mess with my bios
[02:57] <nik777> kevman: ok, download this, and put it into your ns7 directory: http://nik.homelinux.net/files/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[02:57] <darkmatter1> I have an 1 1/2 year old ASUS motherboard if that tells ya anything
[02:57] <ArthurB> there's always a reset option on your bios
[02:57] <ArthurB> to reset to factory settings, so no big deal
[02:58] <darkmatter1> yah, I know, but I cant risk loosing data
[02:58] <ArthurB> urh no why ?
[02:58] <darkmatter1> and I went into my bios, and only my Optical drives are in there
[02:58] <ArthurB> you don't see your hd in your bios ?
[02:58] <darkmatter1> nope
[02:58] <ArthurB> that explains it
[02:58] <ArthurB> grub relies on the bios to see the drives, but linux doesn't
[02:58] <darkmatter1> ok
[02:58] <ArthurB> that's why you are able to install kubuntu
[02:59] <darkmatter1> so, how did the windows bootloader manage to work?
[02:59] <ryanakca> how do you compare 2 files under ubuntu? "diff file1 file2" echoes everyline of file1 with a < in front of it, and everyline of file2 with a > in front of it...
[02:59] <ArthurB> you need to press the "autodetect hd" option in your bios
[02:59] <ArthurB> I swear it won't hurt
[02:59] <darkmatter1> lol, you promise ;)
[02:59] <ArthurB> yeah
[02:59] <darkmatter1> Ill go look for it
[02:59] <darkmatter1> thank you
[02:59] <ArthurB> no pb
[03:00] <kevman> nik777, ok
[03:01] <nik777> ryanaka: every line that diff echoes with a < in front, means "take this line out", and every line diff echoes with a > in front of it means "put this line in". So diff is saying that all the lines with a < in front are different to the corresponding line with a > in front.
[03:02] <darkmatter1> hey
[03:02] <darkmatter1> can someone help me with what arthurB was doing?
[03:02] <darkmatter1> I cant find the Hard drive autodetect
[03:03] <davebgimp> embryo75
[03:05] <inuka> darkmatter1: i had a similar problem with a sata drive and a fujitsu pc, in the end i got a pci sata controller and attached my drive to that and kubuntu installed fine after that..
[03:06] <darkmatter1> inuka, my kubuntu installed, its the GRUB that isnt working, was it the same with you?
[03:07] <inuka> darkmatter1: oh, sorry i didn't read the earlier conversation.. my kubuntu installation used to hang on the GRUB loader installation part..
[03:07] <darkmatter1> oh
[03:07] <darkmatter1> :/
[03:07] <darkmatter1> does anyone here know a lot about BIOS?
[03:07] <darkmatter1> I just need to know if something I do is going to hurt my system
[03:12] <nik777> darkmatter1: did you look in all areas of the BIOS setup?
[03:13] <darkmatter1> woohooo
[03:13] <darkmatter1> i did it
[03:14] <darkmatter1> after two weeks
[03:14] <darkmatter1> you have no idea how happy i am
[03:14] <darkmatter1> :)
[03:14] <darkmatter1> thank you all for helping
[03:14] <darkmatter1> bbye
[03:14] <nik777> darkmatter1: we're glad to see you're going :o) ... and 2 weeks is a long time to try...
[03:17] <nik777> ok, I'll ask my question again: is there any way I can reuse the packages downloaded for one installation for subsequent installations on other machines? Alternatively, does either the liveCD or DVD image contain all packages on the media?
[03:18] <bimberi> nik777: packages are cachec in /var/cache/apt/archives.  You can transfer them to the same directory on another PC and it won't have to download them
[03:18] <bimberi> *cached
[03:19] <My8os> nik777: check this out-> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/swmgmt.html#reinstall
[03:19] <nik777> bimweri: awesome - thanks. I'm used to yum, which does something similar. I just needed to know which was the best approach before I started downloading images. Many, many thanks.
[03:20] <nik777> My8os: thank you - that looks like it will help a lot! Cheers!
[03:20] <Parkotron> What's the general consensus? Has anyone encountered any major issues upgrading to 3.5.2?
[03:27] <kevman> nik777, YAY!
[03:27] <kevman> Thank you very much.
[03:29] <nik777> kevman: awesome! :o)  ... but a lot more effort than it should have been. I'm wondering if your installation of Java was just missing that file somehow, or whether it got deleted when you were linking/unlinking to different libs?
[03:29] <nik777> kevman: glad to hear you're working - Cheers!
[03:29] <kevman> It never existed, I can tell you that.
[03:30] <kevman> Thanks.  :o)
[03:32] <nik777> see you all later folks - bimberi, My8os thanks - exactly what I needed!
[03:35] <jules> comprends rien....
[03:35] <jules> a sert  quoi ce truc?
[03:35] <frank23> Parkotron: the menu for changing the resolution disappeared in kde 3.5.2
[03:35] <admrl> where is qt in kubuntu
[03:36] <frank23> jules: en francais: #ubuntu-fr  et #kubuntu-fr
[03:36] <admrl> did locate qt and couldnt find it
[03:37] <jules> merci frank23 mais je ne pensais pas parler  qlqun en particulier...dsol de dranger
[03:37] <jules> je suppose qu'il y a des conversations en cours
[03:37] <ankur> hey
[03:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> hey
[03:38] <ankur> CheeseBurgerMan: are you using Kubuntu?
[03:38] <frank23> jules: oui
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yup
[03:38] <jules> merci en tous cas
[03:39] <jules> je reviendrai voir  quoi l'endroit peut bien servir
[03:39] <Parkotron> frank23: Exactly what menu is that?
[03:39] <Parkotron> frank23: I use KRandRTray. Is that what went missing?
[03:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> ankur: why? having problems?
[03:40] <frank23> Parkotron: the one where you change the resolution.  right-click Desktop->Configure Desktop->Display is not there
[03:41] <frank23> jules: c'est pour discuter et avoir de l'aide aven kubuntu. mais le chan ici est seulement en anglais
[03:41] <Parkotron> frank23: I guess that kind of makes sense since it's being replaced in Dapper. Thanks.
[03:41] <frank23> Parkotron: with what? I didn't know about it...
[03:42] <admrl> Set $QTDIR correctly and rerun.
[03:42] <admrl> could anyone help me with this...?
[03:42] <ankur> hrm
[03:42] <ankur> i cant get my broadcom card to work
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> tried ndiswrapper?
[03:42] <ankur> i followed the guide for it
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> 'tis what I use
[03:43] <Parkotron> frank23: The Guidance package is being expanded to cover some simple xorg.conf modifications. It's still pretty buggy at the moment, but you can check it out in Dapper.
[03:43] <ankur> cheese everything worked out like the guide said to..
[03:43] <ankur> but i still have no wifi access
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> ankur: have you told it which ESSID to look for?
[03:44] <ankur> ?
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> probably not :P
[03:44] <ankur> all the guide said to do was 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> ah
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[03:44] <ankur> well that was the final step of it
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> Go to Control Center > Internet & Network > Network Settings
[03:45] <ankur> youre using Gnome right?
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> nope
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> KDE
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[03:45] <ankur> wheres control center
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> run kcontrol
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> you can go into system settings, and it should be there as well
[03:45] <ankur> ioh
[03:45] <ankur> thats what i was tinking
[03:45] <ankur> system settings
[03:46] <Hobbsee> should be, but it's not very good
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ankur: are you running encryption on your connection?
[03:46] <ankur> no
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hobbsee: yeah, I know, that's why I said Control Center
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ok, iwconfig shows what?
[03:46] <ankur> nothing in iwconfig
[03:46] <Hobbsee> CheeseBurgerMan: both show the same module, both arent very good
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ankur: and ifconfig?
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> ah
[03:46] <frank23> Parkotron: yeah... I see what you mean. I have dapper running in vmware. so that change makes sense except I don't have the new configuration tool in breezy
[03:47] <_erofee> does anyone here have apache2 experience?
[03:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> I thought  you meant that system settings isn't very good (and I personally don't like it)
[03:47] <ankur> Kcontrol says loading when i hit Admin mode... and doesnt ask for a pass
[03:47] <admrl> could anyone tell me what $QTDIR should be
[03:47] <me2win> !LAMP
[03:47] <ubotu> Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[03:48] <ankur> hrm
[03:48] <_erofee> me2win: was that for my benefit?
[03:48] <ankur> im about 3 seconds from reinstalling
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> ankur: Breezy, right?
[03:48] <me2win> _erofee: actually it was for mine, but glad I could help :D
[03:48] <Hobbsee> admrl: i'm assuming it's /etc/qt3 - includes are in a different place
[03:48] <admrl> ya i know includes are in /usr/
[03:48] <ankur> yeah Cheese
[03:49] <_erofee> me2win:actually, it hasn't helped me, i am having trouble with it
[03:49] <me2win> with what?
[03:49] <_erofee> apache2
[03:49] <me2win> what problem are you having?
[03:49] <admrl> Hobbsee nope
[03:49] <admrl> thats not it
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> I doubt it'll work any better with a reinstall. Dapper detects my broadcom natively, but it's more  of a pain afterwards. ;)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hmm...
[03:49] <_erofee> i can't load http://localhost/, http://localhost:80/ or http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[03:50] <me2win> did you check your ports .conf?
[03:50] <ankur> CheeseBurgerMan:  i know... but it seems like some of my admin/root stuff is broken
[03:50] <_erofee> where do i find that?
[03:50] <ankur> after i rebooted..
[03:50] <ankur> it wouldnt accept my root pass for Sudo anymore
[03:50] <me2win> _erofee: /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[03:50] <_erofee> also, is it normal for apache2 to start 6 processes when it starts?
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> ankur: don't use your root pass - use your pass
[03:50] <_erofee> i will check it out now
[03:50] <ankur> cheese either or
[03:51] <_erofee> it is set to listen 80
[03:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> ports-: Strange. :o
[03:51] <ports-> yeah
[03:52] <me2win> hhmm
[03:52] <ports-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[03:52] <ports-> thats the guide i used
[03:52] <pradeepto> greetings
[03:52] <_erofee> me2win: any ideas?
[03:53] <me2win> do you want it to ONLY respond to localhost?
[03:53] <ports-> CheeseBurgerMan:  as im clicking on things for Administrator Mode... it doesnt ask me for an admin pass anymore
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> ports-: Did you use EXACTLY those commands?
[03:53] <me2win> _erofee: do you want it to ONLY respond to localhost?
[03:53] <ports-> yes
[03:53] <_erofee> i just want it to respond, then i can worry about it only responding locally
[03:53] <me2win> _erofee: do you have a routeR?
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> ports-: are you sure you used the right driver?
[03:53] <Desh> Umm, my Kubuntu wont start up..
[03:54] <_erofee> nope, hosting on the same maching i am on
[03:54] <admrl> Desh: what happens when you try to start it up
[03:54] <me2win> so you are just modem -> computer?
[03:54] <_erofee> yep
[03:54] <_erofee> crappy dialup...don't even get me started with Telstra...
[03:55] <ports-> cheese lol i hope so
[03:55] <Desh> i uninstalled the video drivers that kubuntu instaled normally and installed the other ones adept showed me, then i restarted the laptop, now kubuntu stops at a windows where the last line is : checking battery state
[03:55] <me2win> _erofee: try restarting the apache server
[03:55] <_erofee> i have tried before, but i will try again.
[03:55] <Desh> now, if i press alt+f4 i can login in the command line (black screen)
[03:56] <Desh> startx does not work
[03:56] <me2win> _erofee: try stopping it, then starting it, as opposed to just restarting
[03:56] <ports-> CheeseBurgerMan:  here i had trouble with this
[03:56] <ports-> for conffile in /etc/ndiswrapper/bcmwl5/*.conf; do
[03:56] <me2win> Desh: when was the last time you did a dist-upgrade?
[03:56] <Desh> startx tells me no screens were found >_<
[03:56] <_erofee> have restarted, can't get the status using apache2ctl status
[03:56] <Desh> Umm like 2 days ago
[03:57] <_erofee> brb 2 secs
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> !ndiswrapper
[03:57] <ubotu> ndiswrapper is, like, totally, a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[03:57] <Desh> i was trying out WINE cos I wanna play some games on the laptop, so i was getting what I thought were "better" drivers
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> ports-: Follow that guide after removing the previous ndiswrapper traces.
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> with step 0 in the guide you followed
[03:58] <Desh> anyone know how I can get my Kubuntu runing again?
[03:58] <Desh> i thik its something in the Xorg.org file
[03:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: Same thing happened to me when I   tried installing ATI drivers
[03:58] <_erofee> i'm back
[03:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> I replaced my xorg.conf with a backup
[03:58] <Desh> How can I do this?
[03:59] <Desh> im in the command line now
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo cp /path/to/backup/xorg.con /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> err
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo cp /path/to/backup/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:59] <Desh> and that's it?
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> yup
[03:59] <frank23> Desh: well thats assuming you made a backup of xorg.conf before hand
[03:59] <me2win> Desh: do you keep backupos?
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> yeah
[03:59] <Desh> no...
[03:59] <Desh> Lol
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> frank23: it automatically backed up mine
[04:00] <me2win> !xorg
[04:00] <ubotu> hmm... xorg is To reconfigure your X server, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" in a terminal, or check here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto or here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-83973.html
[04:00] <_erofee> me2win: any more ideas?
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: run ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:00] <me2win> Desh: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> or that :P
[04:00] <frank23> Desh: oh yeah maybe it did make a backup
[04:00] <Desh> lol ok
[04:00] <me2win> _erofee: you can try doing Listen localhost
[04:00] <Desh> sow ait which one?
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:00] <Desh> lol like 9 people said to do something
[04:00] <_erofee> instead of listen 80?
[04:01] <me2win> yeah
[04:01] <me2win> !fglrx
[04:01] <ubotu> fglrx is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> drat
[04:01] <_erofee> will give it a shot and report back
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> wrong command
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> ls /etc/X11/
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> sorry
[04:01] <Desh> it says: No such file or directory
[04:01] <Desh> same
[04:02] <_erofee> nope, doesn't like it, says "port must be specified"
[04:02] <Desh> is that Ls or 1s?
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> ls
[04:02] <Desh> No such file or directory
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> make sure your capitalization is the same
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> ls /etc/X11/
[04:03] <Desh> nope
[04:03] <Desh> im doing the reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> works here
[04:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> I just copied and pasted it. :P
[04:03] <_erofee> me2win: i installed apache, and then uninstalled apache and installed apache2.  Could this have something to do with it?
[04:03] <me2win> _erofee: doubt it
[04:04] <me2win> _erofee: do Listen localhost:80
[04:04] <_erofee> fair enough.
[04:04] <Desh> hmm brb food time :)
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> ok :P
[04:05] <pradeepto> CheeseBurgerMan: btw you seems to have an ATI card right?
[04:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> yes
[04:05] <_erofee> me2win: are we talking about in the .conf file?
[04:05] <davebgimp> Hello, I've just upgraded my Kubuntu install to KDE 3.5.2 and now notice that Kopete will not connect to MSN and flat-out crashes when I try to get into the configure options. Any ideas?
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> I haven't installed the 'official' drivers yet
[04:06] <me2win> _erofee: ports.conf yes
[04:06] <me2win> davebgimp: use gaim :P
[04:06] <pradeepto> CheeseBurgerMan: hmm what package did you install exactly?
[04:06] <_erofee> done, stopped and then started, still no good
[04:06] <Desh> uh oh
[04:06] <Hobbsee> davebgimp: breezy or dapper, and does it crash in all of the configure options, or just devices?
[04:06] <me2win> _erofee: thats pretty odd
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: When?
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> err
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> pradeepto: when?
[04:06] <Desh> i did:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> sorry
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK..
[04:07] <pradeepto> to insall ATI drivers i
[04:07] <Desh> and my screen is umm..off
[04:07] <pradeepto> if you installed them that is
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> I used easyubuntu
[04:07] <davebgimp> Hobbsee: Breezy and it crashes when selecting "configure kopete". I can get into plugins, shortcuts, etc.
[04:07] <Hobbsee> right, yep
[04:07] <me2win> _erofee: try Listen <IP_ADDRESS>:80
[04:07] <me2win> instead of localhost
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[04:08] <_erofee> me2win: where is the root directory of all the files on the httpd?
[04:08] <Desh> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
[04:08] <Desh> ITS LOADING!
[04:08] <me2win> _erofee: not sure
[04:08] <davebgimp> Hobbsee: I've been checking around forums to see if others have the same  issue, but so far, none
[04:08] <Desh> CHeeseBurgerMan, I shall be back after dinner
[04:08] <Hobbsee> davebgimp: someone mentioned it last night.
[04:08] <Desh> And YOU will help ME get 3D ati drivers to work
[04:09] <`timmy> can someone tell me with the syntax for adding the wine repositories are into sources.list ?
[04:09] <Desh> OH SHIT
[04:09] <_erofee> me2win: "can't bind to address <IP_ADDRESS>:80"
[04:09] <Desh> Ok same thing still
[04:09] <_erofee> me2win: that sounds bad....
[04:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: as I told you, I never got them working...
[04:09] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: do you know anything about the crystal window dec that's included in Kubuntu now?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> davebgimp: move the ~/.kde/apps/config/kopete* somewhere else, and let it be recreated, and see if you still have the problem
[04:09] <Desh> :( still the same problem
[04:09] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: namely, did they compile it without transparency support?
[04:09] <davebgimp> Hobbsee: Okay, will try it now
[04:09] <Desh> what driver should I use for mobility 9700 when this asks me:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> `timmy: there's a guide on the wine site
[04:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> 'tis under "ubuntu", but should work for Kubuntu as well
[04:10] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: i have no idea, sorry.  you'd have to look at the changelog to see who packaged it
[04:10] <Desh> cheese, what did u tell em to run again?
[04:10] <Desh> *me
[04:11] <Desh> ls ....
[04:11] <pradeepto> CheeseBurgerMan: aah thanks, heh I came to know about easyubuntu few hours back only.
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> ls /etc/X11/
[04:11] <`timmy> thanks cheese - i checked it out though and i get "malformed error" whenever i add the lines to the list =/
[04:11] <Desh> IT WORKE
[04:11] <Desh> D
[04:11] <Desh> now what?
[04:11] <pradeepto> I would love to know the correct package name though :)
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK, is there something like xorg.conf.2006030
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> ?
[04:11] <rubso> Hi :)
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> to Desh
[04:11] <Desh> noo
[04:12] <frank23> davebgimp: I just tried kopete with kde 3.5.2. it connected fine. It crashed when I selected the devices tab in Configure...
[04:12] <rubso> guys i'm gonna download Kubuntu right now, does it support all GNOME/GTKs apps?
[04:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> yes
[04:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> I've got GNOME installed on it
[04:12] <Desh> app-defaults     fonts    xinit     Xresources    Xsession.d
[04:12] <frank23> davebgimp: do you have a webcam?
[04:12] <Desh> thats line 1
[04:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: pastebin
[04:12] <rubso> Oh, Thanks
[04:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> 'tis easier for me to see it all. ;)
[04:12] <davebgimp> Hobbsee: I moved the config files, still the same crashes
[04:12] <Desh> ilne2: config   rgb.txt  xkb   xserver   Xsession.options
[04:12] <davebgimp> frank23:
[04:12] <davebgimp> frank23: No I do not
[04:12] <rubso> its apt based distro, right?
[04:13] <pradeepto> `timmy: please post your sources.list to pastebin
[04:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> rubso: yes
[04:13] <Desh> line 3:  default-display-manager  X  xorg.conf  Xsession  Xwrapper.conf
[04:13] <Desh> and thats all i see
[04:13] <Hobbsee> davebgimp: what if you move the ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete folder?
[04:13] <rubso> CheeseBurgerMan, Thank you very much ;)
[04:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> NP
[04:13] <Hobbsee> or whichever way around it is - i never remember
[04:13] <`timmy> pastebin? sorry this is my first time in the channel please explain
[04:13] <Kyral> !paste
[04:13] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[04:13] <frank23> davebgimp: me neither.
[04:13] <me2win> Hobbsee: what are the deb cdrom: repos for?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> me2win: in the sources list?
[04:14] <Kyral> Those are for accessing Repos on CDs
[04:14] <me2win> Hobbsee: yeah
[04:14] <Kyral> like the Install CD
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hey Kyral
[04:14] <Hobbsee> me2win: see what Kyral said
[04:14] <pradeepto> `timmy: please paste the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list to kubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:14] <`timmy> prad, kyral: thanks- doing it now
[04:14] <me2win> Kyral: are they necessary if you have all the repos enabled?
[04:14] <Desh> any ideas?
[04:15] <davebgimp> Hobbsee: moving the kopete folder in apps I still have crashes
[04:15] <Kyral> me2win: not really
[04:15] <Hobbsee> davebgimp: darn, ok
[04:15] <me2win> kk thanks
[04:15] <Hobbsee> file a bug for it?
[04:15] <Kyral> me2win: if you have a good NetConn
[04:15] <me2win> ah isee
[04:15] <me2win> for dialup people?
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: Guess you have to run the dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:16] <Kyral> Hehe we take sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:16] <me2win> ubotu: tell me about repos
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh, that was the command.
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oops. :P
[04:17] <Kyral> Friend of mine was having trouble with X on Gentoo
[04:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, people here are having problems with X on Kubuntu. ;)
[04:17] <Kyral> I instinctively tried to do sudo dpkg-recongfigure xserver-xorg :P
[04:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:17] <Desh> im doing it now...
[04:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> I tried to chmod on Windows.
[04:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> :|
[04:17] <Kyral> lol
[04:17] <Kyral> I know the feeling
[04:17] <Desh> yay startx worked
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Someone I know tried to use su in windows - it froze the computer. :P
[04:18] <Desh> let em write that command down, I see myself using it alot...
[04:18] <Kyral> I hit tab expecting something lol
[04:18] <`timmy> prad- it's in http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/630115
[04:18] <Kyral> sat there for like 10 seconds before I realized I wasn't in Kansas :P
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Old habits die hard
[04:18] <pradeepto> CheeseBurgerMan: Kyral  yesterday night somebody rebooted a kubuntu box after apt-get update
[04:18] <pradeepto> beat that :)
[04:19] <Kyral> Yahso?
[04:19] <Kyral> If the kernel gets updated I reboot too
[04:19] <Desh> EW MY FONT IS BIG NOW!!
[04:19] <pradeepto> Kyral: apt-get update?
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: I know - it won't be when you reboot
[04:19] <Desh> whew
[04:19] <Kyral> pradeepto: ah
[04:19] <Kyral> I usually combine the commands
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> wow
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:20] <Kyral> into 5 letters
[04:20] <Kyral> aptUI
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> apt-get dist-upgrade I rebooted after - but an update
[04:20] <Kyral> Fear my Bash Aliases file!
[04:20] <davebgimp> tried cleaning all the accounts out of Kopete and getting into the configure settings without any accounts or connections...no luck. Still crashes
[04:20] <pradeepto> heh heh this chap was troll man, we had to ban him
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> although I turn off my computer every night, so it's not that uncommon for me to reboot
[04:20] <Kyral> I can't sleep without the fans running
[04:20] <pradeepto> hehe
[04:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, I have the radio going :P
[04:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> `timmy: I see you have AMD64 - you may have some problems with WINE - it doesn't seem to like AMD64 from what I saw
[04:21] <pradeepto> well after upgrade I do a reboot generally, I did that on my laptop few minutes back :)
[04:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> pradeepto: I did that on my laptop yesterday. ;)
[04:22] <Kyral> incoming
[04:22] <Kyral> Hostname: xen.azuredreams.us - OS: Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-xen0/i686 - CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) (2133.525 MHz) - Processes: 47 - Uptime: 20h 50m - Load Average: 0.56 - Memory Usage: 31.90MB/59.08MB (54.00%) - Disk Usage: 8.62GB/17.38GB (49.62%)
[04:22] <pradeepto> CheeseBurgerMan: well I had to do it because I did a apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:22] <Kyral> Only reason the uptime is low is because the power went out last night :P
[04:22] <`timmy> cheese - thanks, i can't even download it though, apt-get update errors out -- do i need arguments after the url ?
[04:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> pradeepto: Same here
[04:22] <Kyral> !sources
[04:22] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> `timmy: Not that I know of
[04:23] <pradeepto> CheeseBurgerMan: what can I say, greate minds think (and do) alike , almost concurrently :P
[04:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:24] <pradeepto> speaking of power cuts ... 8 Am approaching...
[04:24] <Kyral> eh?
[04:24] <Kyral> Oh I should note
[04:24] <Kyral> this is ON my server
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Kyral: easier still to write a shell script with the commands, then call the shell script :P
[04:24] <Kyral> I'm just SSH'd into a Screen session :D
[04:26] <jbsnake> wow... lots of people in here
[04:29] <frank23> pradeepto: do you have regular power cuts?
[04:29] <pradeepto> frank23: yup :(
[04:29] <fatejudger> has anyone had any luck changing the kdm theme in Dapper?
[04:29] <frank23> pradeepto: where do you live?
[04:29] <pradeepto> frank23: govt is short of power you see
[04:30] <Desh> So..no games for me on Kubuntu?
[04:30] <pradeepto> frank23: small town called Panvel (near Mumbai - Bombay), India
[04:30] <Desh> Why cant ATI make decent Linux drivers?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: install kcontrol-kdmtheme
[04:30] <frank23> pradeepto: I see.
[04:31] <Desh> has anyone been able to run windows games on Linux w/ ATI drivers?
[04:31] <frank23> Desh: lots of people run the ati drivers with success but nvidia is still better
[04:31] <Desh> I want to play Ragnarok Online, but I need good drivers
[04:31] <Desh> Well i treis using the extra ones Kubuntu brings
[04:31] <Desh> but it screwed my xorg.conf file
[04:32] <pradeepto> frank23: do you have powercuts too ?
[04:32] <Desh> whew my lovable font again
[04:32] <frank23> Desh: there is probably a way to make it work...  I don't know much about it though
[04:32] <frank23> pradeepto: no.
[04:33] <crxyem> so anyone using samba ?/
[04:33] <frank23> pradeepto: I wonder if regular powercuts like that are hard on transformers. They warm up and cool down often like that
[04:34] <Desh> Hmm when I run Trillian with WINE it just blinks on the screen and does nothing
[04:34] <Desh> any idea on making WINE work?
[04:34] <Desh> *Trillian
[04:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: Never tried using Wine, much less Wine with Trillian
[04:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> ;)
[04:34] <Desh> Lol
[04:34] <Desh> I lub trillian
[04:35] <Desh> should I try Cedega for games instead?
[04:35] <crxyem> use gaim
[04:35] <crxyem> way better
[04:35] <Desh> I have Gaim
[04:35] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: does that require a restart?
[04:35] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'm not seeing it
[04:35] <Desh> let me log in from my laptop now...
[04:36] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: it's in kcontrol
[04:36] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I know, but where?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> under system admin
[04:36] <Hobbsee> otherwise, hit the search button :P
[04:37] <_shane> Hi, I have a laptop, I have installed acpi but the power button doesn't turn the laptop off, is there anything else I should do?
[04:37] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: you mean the login manager?
[04:38] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: that was already there
[04:38] <Hobbsee> no, ther'es a kdm theme manager rigth above it, if the program works
[04:38] <fatejudger> I'm gonna restart
[04:38] <jbsnake> anyone know why an update broke?
[04:38] <jbsnake> kde specifically
[04:38] <Hobbsee> _shane: see system settings, laptop
[04:39] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: that'll help, i think
[04:39] <Hobbsee> jbsnake: which update?
[04:39] <jbsnake> kde 3.5.2... i guess
[04:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> What directions did you follow?
[04:39] <jbsnake> i ran adept and it went kaboom when i was done
[04:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm, overheating? ;)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[04:40] <jbsnake> so i removed the kde repositories (the ubuntu breezy ones)
[04:40] <jbsnake> i'm running dapper... i figured that out afterward
[04:40] <jbsnake> it's not stuck on kscreensaver-xsavers
[04:41] <jbsnake> s/not/now/g
[04:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> Put in the dapper repos, and then do an 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> a*
[04:41] <jbsnake> it's trying to force me to run apt-get -f install
[04:42] <jbsnake> but it fails
[04:42] <jbsnake> should i remove kde...
[04:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> jbsnake: can't you just add the dapper repos?
[04:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> Or does it stop you?
[04:43] <_shane> Hobbsee: there was meantion of APM not being installed but apept indicates it is! whats up?
[04:43] <jbsnake> it let's me do that
[04:43] <jbsnake> updates fine
[04:43] <jbsnake> but craps out on the apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:43] <jbsnake> says i have to run apt-get -f install
[04:44] <Hobbsee> _shane: i dont know, i rarely use adept
[04:44] <jbsnake> adept is the debul... i'll never use it again
[04:44] <Hobbsee> jbsnake: yeah, either use force install, or ignore it till they fix the bug...
[04:45] <firewire> wow
[04:45] <Hobbsee> or you can use force overwrite, if you really want
[04:45] <firewire> ipmasq owns
[04:45] <Desh> Ok Trillian is dancing on my screen, how do I make it stop?
[04:45] <jbsnake> yes...
[04:45] <Desh> hahaha Kubuntu works again
[04:45] <jbsnake> force overwrite... not having kde is not an option right now
[04:45] <Desh> How do I close a wine progy?
[04:46] <Desh> omg its getting more violent
[04:46] <Snake__> Desh: open terminal, type "pkill wine"
[04:46] <Desh> thanks
[04:46] <Desh> i love the terminal
[04:47] <Snake__> That did it?
[04:47] <Desh> yeah
[04:47] <Snake__> yay
[04:47] <Snake__> :)
[04:47] <Desh> :) the terminal is all powerful
[04:47] <Desh> all hail the command line
[04:47] <jbsnake> Hobbsee: how do i do a force overwrite?
[04:47] <Snake__> lol
[04:47] <Desh> slap the bish?
[04:47] <jbsnake> cli owns
[04:47] <Desh> lol j/k bad joke
[04:47] <Hobbsee> jbsnake: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/blah.deb
[04:48] <Hobbsee> IIRC
[04:49] <Desh> ok need help,  have the cinelerra DEB pack in my Home folder
[04:49] <Desh> How do Install it
[04:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo dpkg -i pkg.deb
[04:49] <Snake__> Desh: sudo dpkg -i deb.deb
[04:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> replace pkg.deb with the name of the deb file
[04:50] <Desh> ah ok thanks
[04:50] <Snake__> fill in deb with deb name
[04:50] <Snake__> :P
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:50] <Desh> can i rename the deb?
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> yes
[04:50] <Desh> i dun wanna type it all out lol
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> or just press c <tab>
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> (assuming it starts with a c)
[04:50] <Desh> ah ok
[04:50] <Desh> thanks
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> NP
[04:51] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: tab completion rocks
[04:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> Totally :)
[04:51] <Desh> :-O
[04:51] <Snake__> Desh: sup?
[04:51] <Desh> I think its working...
[04:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[04:51] <Snake__> lol
[04:51] <jbsnake> good deal... thanks Hobbsee
[04:52] <Desh> its not in the menu :(
[04:52] <Snake__> Desh: it wont be until you restart X
[04:52] <Desh> well why?
[04:52] <Snake__> Bug
[04:52] <Desh> others intall and appear in the menu
[04:52] <Snake__> that KDE STILL hasn't fixed
[04:52] <Desh> pfft evil Kbuntu bugs
[04:52] <Desh> *KDE
[04:52] <Snake__> Desh: its not kubuntu
[04:52] <Snake__> its KDE
[04:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[04:52] <Desh> yeah fixed it
[04:52] <Desh> lol
[04:52] <Snake__> what other programs show up when you install them?
[04:52] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: works great, thanks
[04:52] <Desh> umm Gaim
[04:52] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: yay!  :)
[04:52] <Desh> Media players
[04:53] <Snake__> Desh: only some will show up, most wont
[04:53] <Desh> like XMMS
[04:53] <Desh> hmm ok
[04:53] <Snake__> ya xmms and gaim are pretty good with it
[04:53] <Snake__> FF too
[04:53] <Desh> restart time!!
[04:53] <Snake__> Desh: ehh
[04:53] <Snake__> ..
[04:53] <frank23> gah. I wanted to ctrl-alt-backspace in vmware and ended up doing it outside vmware
[04:53] <Snake__> *sighs*
[04:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:53] <jbsnake> Hobbsee: so now that i have that over written... i can just run the dist-upgrade?
[04:53] <Snake__> lol
[04:53] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: does Adept updater show up in your system tray saying it something needs to be updated, even though it doesn't
[04:53] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: at boot
[04:53] <Hobbsee> jbsnake: yes
[04:53] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and then about 20 seconds later, disappear?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: ah, i dont run the updater.
[04:53] <jbsnake> X crashed
[04:54] <Hobbsee> which version of adept are you running anyway?
[04:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it runs itself
[04:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: the latest
[04:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: Dapper
[04:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> Snake__: Then you have to burn it, AND wait for it to install. :P
[04:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> bwahahahaha ;)
[04:54] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: yulp
[04:54] <jbsnake> error opening security policy file /etc/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[04:54] <jbsnake> any ideas?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> my mobile's going to charge me more money...
[04:55] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: burning takes 2 mins tho, i dont expect install to take longer than 15, if its as good as the live disk
[04:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah
[04:55] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: that live disk was installed in 5 mins (no joke)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: there's a newer version which mornfall has, which you can test, if you like
[04:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> I just started the install and left it. ;)
[04:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Wow
[04:55] <Snake__> Ya
[04:56] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: [20:01]  < Snake__> 2 minutes, 72%
[04:56] <Snake__> [20:02]  < Snake__> kkathman: 3 minutes, 89%
[04:56] <Snake__> [20:02]  < Snake__> :)
[04:56] <Snake__> that was me documenting the install :)
[04:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's very impressive. :)
[04:57] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: pity grub took a crap on me
[04:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yup
[04:59] <jbsnake> is there a known font issue with the new kde 3.5.2?
[04:59] <jbsnake> or do i just need to restart?
[05:00] <Snake__> jbsnake: mines fine
[05:00] <isilzha> hi. whenever the system asks me fo the su pw it fails. the pw i provide is correct. it works in console
[05:00] <isilzha> *for
[05:00] <jbsnake> are you trying to sudo?
[05:01] <jbsnake> Snake__: weird... i wonder what's up
[05:01] <isilzha> i guess the system is
[05:01] <jbsnake> can you show the command you are using... exactly?
[05:01] <isilzha> in console i used "su" to verify
[05:01] <_shane> when I do a modprobe apm I get the error message saying ".../amp.ko:) no such device" but in the directory name there is a apm.ko, I am trying to get a laptops power button to work. can anyone help?
[05:01] <kpaolo> guys how can i do to let yakuake start at bootup??
[05:01] <Snake__> jbsnake: just to quote nalioth : If your living on the cutting edge, expect to do some bleeding
[05:01] <isilzha> for example it happens when i start adept
[05:02] <jbsnake> Snake__: ya... then how can i go back to the way it was?
[05:02] <Snake__> kpaolo: When you turn off your PC keep it open, and it should resume your session unless you set it not to
[05:02] <Snake__> jbsnake: no idea
[05:02] <jbsnake> damnit
[05:02] <kpaolo> doesn't it exist some KDE startup definitons??
[05:03] <kpaolo> something like "M$ msconfig" I mean
[05:03] <yuriy> kpaolo: you can put scripts in ~/.kde/Autostart if you want to add stuff to start at logon
[05:03] <kpaolo> ah!!ok!!
[05:03] <Snake__> kpaolo: not like that, but you can put bash scripts in your ~/./kde/Autosta...
[05:03] <Snake__> damn it
[05:03] <nalioth> jbsnake: what's up?
[05:04] <yuriy> kpaolo: and there is a module in system settings if you want to enable/disable services. but be careful with that!
[05:04] <Desh> evil cinelearra didnt appear in the menu
[05:04] <jbsnake> nalioth: i did a apt-get dist-upgrade.... now kde won't start
[05:05] <nalioth> jbsnake: what exactly does it boot up to?
[05:05] <Desh> How do I mount USB drives, such as my sis's iPod, simply as a portable HD?
[05:05] <Desh> ALl my music is on that thing :(
[05:05] <jbsnake> waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
[05:06] <jbsnake> refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
[05:06] <_shane> Desh: have you tried just pluging it in a looking at the output of 'dmesg'?
[05:06] <Desh> ...
[05:06] <Desh> Look im a noob lol
[05:06] <Desh> Dun make fun of me!!!!!!!!
[05:06] <Desh> Lol j/k no I havnt
[05:06] <Desh> let me try that...
[05:06] <jbsnake> it doens't start x on startup... i start at run level 3
[05:06] <jbsnake> then issue startx
[05:07] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: between the kdm theme and the splash screen I see a greyish blue background, is there a way to change that color?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: yes, there is.
[05:08] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: is it in the Login Manager?
[05:08] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: under background?
[05:08] <Desh> Omg I cant find the ipod wtf
[05:08] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: it could be...someone asked this, found it out, told me, and now i cant remember
[05:08] <Desh> how come my Kaffeine pays videos but XMMS plays laggy ones w/o sound
[05:08] <jbsnake> Desh: missing plugins
[05:08] <nalioth> jbsnake: are you running dapper?
[05:08] <jbsnake> nalioth: yes
[05:09] <nalioth> jbsnake: and what pkgs did you use to upgrade?
[05:09] <Apocs> hi ppl
[05:09] <jbsnake> ooo
[05:09] <jbsnake> umm
[05:09] <jbsnake> the default ones with dapper in place of breezy?
[05:09] <nalioth> jbsnake: you really should be in #ubuntu+1 asking about this (that is the dapper channel)
[05:09] <nalioth> jbsnake: bad idea. join me in #ubuntu+1
[05:09] <Desh> I love Breezy
[05:10] <Desh> omg???
[05:10] <Desh> USB randomly works
[05:10] <Desh> thats...random...
[05:10] <Apocs> does anyone have an idea, when kubuntu dapper is being released?
[05:10] <Desh> never worked before
[05:10] <Hobbsee> Apocs: june
[05:10] <Desh> whats a dapper?
[05:10] <Apocs> tnx
[05:10] <Desh> HAHAHA
[05:10] <Desh> Tribes Time
[05:10] <Desh> :-P
[05:10] <_shane> Desh: the next version
[05:10] <firewire> tribes?
[05:10] <firewire> oww
[05:11] <Desh> Anyone think tribes wil run with standard ati drivers?
[05:11] <Desh> Lol I'm not even gonna try HL2 until I get better ones working
[05:12] <_shane> when I do a modprobe apm I get the error message saying ".../amp.ko:) no such device" but in the directory name there is a apm.ko, I am trying to get a laptops power button to work. can anyone help?
[05:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I got it working
[05:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I was right
[05:12] <Hobbsee> yay!
[05:12] <jsubl2> _shane, try sudo update-modules
[05:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I just set my kdm theme, my background, and my moodin theme to the same background
[05:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and it looks amazing
[05:14] <Hobbsee> :D
[05:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: do you know how to change the look of the KMenu?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> change it how?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> as in, with kbfx or somethign?
[05:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: that bar on the side
[05:15] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: panel menu, configure panel
[05:15] <Hobbsee> menus tab, show side image
[05:15] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: thanks
[05:16] <Hobbsee> not a problem
[05:16] <Desh> Anyone here run on an ATI card?
[05:16] <fatejudger> Desh: yes
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yes
[05:17] <ash211> yes
[05:17] <Desh> Have u tried HL2 / CSS on it?
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> no
[05:17] <Desh> I wonder if they would run with Cedega
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> I assume that by CSS you don't mean cascading style sheets
[05:17] <kpaolo> hei...i'm trying to got XGL anyone can help me??i'm stuck in a thing...
[05:17] <Desh> I mean COunter Strike Source
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> No
[05:17] <Desh> Hmm
[05:18] <Desh> I want to run them
[05:18] <Desh> But WINE wont be enough
[05:18] <kpaolo> how can i create a file : $HOME/.xsession
[05:18] <kpaolo> what's the command?
[05:18] <kpaolo> no??
[05:18] <robotgeek> kpaolo: create it with a standard editor
[05:19] <kpaolo> but..is it in /home?
[05:19] <robotgeek> kpaolo: it's $HOME< which is /home/kapalo
[05:19] <kpaolo> ###/home/.xsession
[05:19] <kpaolo> ah ok
[05:20] <Desh> Ok, so I wanna kep practicing my crapy C++, good compiler/editor?
[05:20] <robotgeek> Desh: gcc, the one and only :)
[05:20] <Desh> I've used M$ Visual Studio and Bloodshed b4
[05:20] <Desh> alright thanks
[05:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> robotgeek: Isn't g++ the C++ compiler?
[05:21] <Desh> i need to learn how to get past crappy windows exe programs
[05:21] <hybrid> CheeseBurgerMan: gcc compiles c__
[05:21] <hybrid> er C++
[05:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh, OK
[05:21] <kpaolo> i'm reboot...i hope it's ok....
[05:21] <robotgeek> CheeseBurgerMan: well, gcc will ivoke the appropriate compiler. it even does java (gcj)
[05:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK, I stand corrected :)
[05:22] <Desh> Gcc says C in adept
[05:22] <ash211> try kdevelop for an IDE
[05:22] <hybrid> whats an asm compiler?
[05:22] <bimberi> !info g++
[05:22] <ubotu> g++: (The GNU C++ compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.0.1-3 (breezy), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[05:22] <Desh> What Im looking for is where I write the code and can compile it and make a proggy
[05:22] <robotgeek> Desh: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:23] <hybrid> robotgeek: +1
[05:23] <bimberi> Desh: yes, build-essential, it will bring in standard libraries as well
[05:23] <robotgeek> Desh: you might also like to install IDE's like kdevelop3
[05:23] <Desh> sweet
[05:24] <Desh> wow i wish other OSs were this well made :)
[05:24] <Desh> Im pissed at ATI for not supporting Linux
[05:24] <hybrid> Desh: your asking too much
[05:24] <Desh> Lol
[05:24] <hybrid> imo linux is the best dev enviroment
[05:24] <robotgeek> Desh: don't buy from ATI next time
[05:24] <Desh> It pisses me off, shitty bands and shitty OS's get all the fame
[05:24] <kpaolo> azz...
[05:25] <kpaolo> it'xgl..but it doesn't work
[05:25] <Desh> Windows = Good Charlotte
[05:25] <me2win> !language
[05:25] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[05:25] <hybrid> Desh: Linux is for dev and sturdy, OSX for video editing and windows for suicide
[05:25] <hybrid> in my life at least
[05:26] <Desh> Lol I dont like OSX
[05:26] <Desh> its too, user friendly
[05:26] <hybrid> o_0
[05:26] <Desh> Lol
[05:26] <hybrid> its a must for video editting
[05:26] <Desh> Why?
[05:26] <hybrid> i cant use anything else
[05:26] <Desh> I like Adobe Premiere
[05:26] <hybrid> linux has no editting support and windows is horrid
[05:26] <Desh> Its really not the OS tho, just Final Cut Pro
[05:27] <Desh> If linux had Final Cut Pro
[05:27] <hybrid> i am a mere student and use iMovie HD
[05:27] <hybrid> but i want Final CUt
[05:27] <Desh> Hmm
[05:27] <hybrid> Desh: linux will have FCS when OSX runs on the linux kernel
[05:27] <Desh> But I always hear, OSX rocks for video editing, but its not really the OS, justthe software
[05:27] <hybrid> apple makes it
[05:27] <hybrid> so you have to have the os
[05:28] <Desh> right, but still  dont like the OS, the software is nice tho
[05:28] <hybrid> and everything is inter-connected in OSX so it helps
[05:28] <robotgeek> if i wasn't using kubuntu, i would be using OS X
[05:28] <Desh> Meh, I wanna try Cinelerra
[05:28] <hybrid> LOL
[05:28] <hybrid> Desh: have fun
[05:28] <Desh> I dislike Macs cos they suck for games usually :(
[05:28] <Desh> is Cinelerra bad?
[05:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> I haven't used a Mac. :P
[05:28] <hybrid> robotgeek: if i didnt HAVE to have OSX i would run Xubuntu
[05:29] <hybrid> Desh: very, its has roots from gimp film or w/e
[05:29] <robotgeek> hybrid: well, i just like kde too much now :)
[05:29] <hybrid> lol
[05:29] <Desh> Aww
[05:29] <Desh> I want good editing software for Linux :(
[05:29] <hybrid> cold day bro
[05:29] <Desh> I dont wanna have to use wine and Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0 lol
[05:30] <hybrid> and it will need to support IEEE 1394a/b ootb
[05:30] <_shane> can anyone tell me why if I do a 'modprobe acpi' I get a '...acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device' when the file does exist?
[05:30] <Desh> I have that on the PC..wonder if Kubuntu supports it..
[05:30] <robotgeek> _shane: you probably need to insmod it
[05:31] <_shane> robotgeek: do i just "insmod acpi-cpufreq.ko"?
[05:31] <robotgeek> _shane: the complete path
[05:32] <_shane> robotgeek: ok I will try.
[05:32] <kpaolo> uhm...my XGL hides the tab of all the windows....
[05:32] <robotgeek> !xgl
[05:32] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[05:32] <robotgeek> kpaolo: too bleeding edge for me
[05:33] <kpaolo> what??
[05:33] <kpaolo> you are not able to make XGL work?
[05:34] <Desh> whats XGL?
[05:34] <Desh> man Im learning Linux, i feel 1337
[05:34] <Desh> Lol (j/k) but i am glad
[05:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[05:34] <Desh> NOw all I need is to learn how to h4xz0r
[05:35] <hybrid> nmap
[05:35] <hybrid> thats all you'll ever need :p
[05:35] <_shane> robotgeek: that gave an error "-1 no such device" do you think I might need to run depmod?
[05:35] <hybrid> lol
[05:35] <robotgeek> _shane: i am actually not sure what you are doing here
[05:37] <Desh> Hmm, is there a misuc editing proggy like Fruity Loops on Linux?
[05:37] <Desh> *music
[05:37] <_shane> I am trying to get the laptop power button to work, but it seems that the acpi modules aren't going according to lsmod, so I tried modprobe to start them up.
[05:37] <hybrid> audacity is the best Desh
[05:37] <Desh> and...how come gcc and g++ arnt on here?
[05:37] <Desh> I ran apt-get like u told me too
[05:38] <hybrid> did it get everything?
[05:38] <hybrid> try cc
[05:38] <hybrid> in the terminal 'cc'
[05:38] <Desh> no input files
[05:39] <Desh> it sais -->   cc: no input files
[05:39] <hybrid> its their
[05:39] <Desh> ah ok
[05:39] <hybrid> err there
[05:39] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: know why this takes so long?
[05:39] <Desh> so i need to restart for it to appear in the menu?
[05:39] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: Because it updates everything... (My theory)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> Desh: install build-essential, for gcc and g++
[05:39] <hybrid> what menu?
[05:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> Snake__: What takes so long?
[05:39] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: dapper install
[05:39] <Desh> i did
[05:39] <frank23> Desh: did you install kdevelop3?  I just tried it its fine. Start with a hello world template to see how it works
[05:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh, nope.
[05:39] <hybrid> Desh: what menu?
[05:39] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: compared to dapper live
[05:39] <Desh> sudo apt-get build-essential
[05:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, Not a clue
[05:40] <Desh> the K menu
[05:40] <hybrid> gcc is cli
[05:40] <Desh> cli?
[05:41] <hybrid> Desh: you write a file that has the code then gcc file.name in the terminal
[05:41] <hybrid> command line interface
[05:41] <robotgeek> !cli
[05:41] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[05:41] <frank23> Desh: or you can do everything from within kdevelop
[05:41] <Desh> oh ok
[05:41] <Desh> ima get kdevelop :)
[05:41] <hybrid> Desh: yeah i think thats what you want :)
[05:41] <Desh> man u guys are real helpful, thanks
[05:42] <hybrid> Desh: thanks for giving this OS a whirl
[05:42] <Desh> :), i want all 5 kdevelop packages, no?
[05:42] <Desh> As soon as I can get games on here - bye bye windows foreva
[05:43] <hybrid> Desh: cadega
[05:43] <Desh> oh, how come I can like, play a video and have music at the same time? the sound conflicts, i remember this in Win95..
[05:43] <Desh> *can't
[05:44] <lengau> Desh: What players are you using
[05:44] <Desh> I know Cedega, I'll get it as soon as I get decent ATI drivers
[05:44] <Desh> Umm XMMS for audio
[05:44] <Desh> and Kaffeine for video
[05:44] <kpaolo> !xgl
[05:44] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[05:44] <Desh> XMMS plays videos all laggy and no sound
[05:44] <lengau> what sound systems do you have them set yo?
[05:44] <Desh> i dunno
[05:44] <lengau> *to?
[05:44] <robotgeek> Desh: use amarok dude :)
[05:44] <Desh> i d/l all the plugins i could find on adept
[05:45] <Desh> amarok...ew
[05:45] <Desh> i dun like it :(
[05:45] <Desh> XMMS is more aethetically pleasing
[05:45] <robotgeek> Desh: ah, okay. i just love amarok :)
[05:45] <lengau> okay. I can help with Kaffeine, but I'll have to install XMMS before I can help you tehre.
[05:45] <lengau> I use Amarok, also.
[05:45] <_erofee> does anyone know what i can get a dependancy list for packages?
[05:45] <Desh> well i guess i'll try it
[05:46] <Desh> anyone tried NoteEdit?
[05:46] <kosh> ick xmms!
[05:46] <Desh> or RoseGarden4?
[05:46] <kosh> that thing is almost unreadable
[05:46] <Desh> what is?
[05:46] <kosh> xmms, even at double size it is tiny
[05:47] <lengau> _efoee: from Konsole: aptitude show <package_name>
[05:47] <kosh> that apps default ui is a hard coded pixel size
[05:47] <Desh> On my screen its fine
[05:47] <kosh> Desh: at what rez and what size monitor?
[05:47] <Desh> 15 inch @ 1400 by 1050
[05:48] <kosh> it would be way too small for me on that one
[05:48] <lengau> Wow, and you can SEE the XMMS buttons?
[05:48] <kosh> I prefer amarok
[05:48] <lengau> Me too.
[05:48] <kosh> lengau: at that rez I didn't even know a single pixel was large enough for one of their buttons ;)
[05:48] <kpaolo> how does it install a .package??
[05:48] <kosh> hmm I wonder what a .package file is
[05:48] <Desh> yeah
[05:49] <lengau> Desh: In Kaffeine, what's the second last entry in the Settings menu?
[05:49] <Desh> GStreamer Engine Parameters
[05:49] <lengau> specifically, what engine are you using?
[05:49] <lengau> okay.
[05:49] <Desh> Keffeine plays videos fine
[05:49] <Desh> its the only one that does
[05:50] <robotgeek> Desh, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:50] <kosh> hmm I have had horrible luck with gstreamer
[05:50] <Desh> Bless Kaffeine
[05:50] <kosh> I use xine in everything
[05:50] <lengau> So do I.
[05:50] <kosh> I still have not figuredo out how to get gstreamer to do more then stereo output
[05:50] <kosh> and it has not been very stable for me compared to xine
[05:50] <lengau> What I'm trying to do is get Kaffeine and XMMS to use the same sound server.
[05:50] <_erofee> thanks lengau
[05:50] <Desh> I dont think I use Xine
[05:51] <Desh> :)
[05:51] <lengau> So go into the Gstreamer Engine Parameters.
[05:51] <kosh> well from everything I can find on gstreamer they plan to implement more then stereo sometime in the future
[05:52] <Desh> OK see, my vid has sounf but the music wont play in XMMS cos it says the sound device is busy
[05:52] <_shane> I am trying to setup the acpi system on my laptop,  "modprobe acpi" gives the error "FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device"  but this file does exist, can someone help please?
[05:52] <Desh> *sound
[05:52] <Desh> as soon as I close Kaffeine XMMS will play music
[05:53] <Desh> o_O
[05:53] <Desh> ASLA devine in use...
[05:53] <Desh> *device
[05:53] <lengau> Sorry about that.
[05:53] <kosh> what sound card do you have?
[05:53] <Desh> nvidia
[05:54] <Desh> nvidia something 3
[05:54] <Desh> lol
[05:54] <lengau> What audio driver is Kaffeine using?
[05:54] <Desh> ASLA
[05:55] <lengau> okay. In XMMS, under the Options>Preferences, in the Audio I/O Plugins tab, choose ALSA as your Output plugin.
[05:56] <Desh> oh sweet
[05:56] <Desh> thanks
[05:57] <Desh> hmm i can hear avi's but not see them
[05:57] <Desh> missing plugins = evil
[05:58] <lengau> Sorry. Can't help you there. GStreamer doesn't work on my system.
[05:58] <Desh> k
[05:58] <Desh> Ill try Xine plugins later
[05:58] <Desh> lets see if my Gameboy / Snes emulators work in WINE
[05:59] <Desh> zip is a supported format in Linux?
[05:59] <lengau> Yeah.
[05:59] <kosh> it is supported if you install zip support
[05:59] <lengau> why?
[05:59] <lengau> True. But it is an open format
[05:59] <Desh> ok
[06:00] <Desh> for my emulators
[06:00] <kosh> I just know that zip and unzip are not always installed by default
[06:00] <lengau> sudo aptitude install zip
[06:00] <lengau> if they aren't
[06:00] <lengau> I believe that Ubuntu distros install them.
[06:01] <Desh> ah ok
[06:01] <Desh> yeah i instaled rar support earlier
[06:03] <lengau> Just a quick poll, coz I've been wondering. What does everyone here generally use to compress audio? Ogg Vorbis? FLAC? MP3? AAC? Something else?
[06:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> MP3
[06:03] <Desh> hehehe
[06:03] <Desh> I love the Gimp
[06:03] <kosh> ogg
[06:03] <Desh> Need to learn how to use it well tho, since I used Photoshop
[06:03] <lengau> Desh: GIMP is fun.
[06:03] <Desh> MP3
[06:03] <kosh> I realy like the audio quality compared to mp3
[06:04] <Desh> Well i dont compress my audio, I d/l it as mp3 lol
[06:04] <Desh> :-P
[06:04] <kosh> ick
[06:04] <lengau> Desh: I'm not sure how similar it is to Photoshop, but perhaps you should give Krita a try. I've never used it myself, but quite a few people I know like it.
[06:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> kosh: True - I prefer MP3's more universal nature
[06:04] <Desh> I have it
[06:04] <kosh> I would never download mp3 from the internet, the quality is crappy
[06:05] <Desh> really?
[06:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> kosh: Yeah, generally - although I personally don't mind crappy quality
[06:05] <Desh> Lol I dont see it
[06:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> hear. ;)
[06:05] <Desh> *hear
[06:05] <Desh> Lol
[06:05] <kosh> I have a nice 7.1 audio setup, mp3 sound really bad
[06:05] <lengau> I personally use Ogg vorbis files. If I ever need to send it to a device that only supports MP3, I change it then.
[06:05] <Desh> Oh well maybe then
[06:05] <kosh> I get some nasty distortion from the sub and from the high end on low quality files
[06:06] <kosh> I use 500kb ogg files
[06:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> lengau: Yeah, but that'll reduce the quality even more
[06:06] <Desh> mp3 is fine for my mp3 player :)
[06:06] <Desh> Krita is awesome
[06:06] <kosh> I don't have a portable player, no need for one :)
[06:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> kosh: Overkill for lossless, might as well use WavPack
[06:06] <lengau> YEah, I know, but I prefer Vorbis's Openness/quality.
[06:06] <kosh> http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=4&subcategory=113&product=9306  that is what I have
[06:07] <kosh> CheeseBurgerMan: when I started encoding at quality 10 oggs I did not even know about stuff like flac, at some point I will probably reencode everything to something like flac
[06:07] <kosh> besides ogg is easy to encode, pop in an audio cd in kde and then drag the ogg files off :)
[06:09] <Desh> my 24k quality Rage mp3s pwn all of you =P
[06:09] <lengau> You can do that with FLACs and MP3's also, though.
[06:10] <Desh> Anyone here like Interpol?
[06:11] <lengau> do you mean the police organization or the band?
[06:12] <lengau> :-P
[06:12] <regeya> lol
[06:12] <regeya> pirate all your music in vorbis format and reduce the number of broken laws!
[06:13] <lengau> lol
[06:13] <regeya> vorbis is pretty darn good, I'll give it that
[06:14] <Desh> the band
[06:14] <Desh> i want limewire for linux >_<
[06:14] <Desh> Lime Pro
[06:14] <Snake__> Desh: check out frostwire.com
[06:15] <lengau> Desh: or giFT with the Apollon frontend.
[06:15] <Snake__> Gift setup suxxxxxx
[06:15] <Snake__> gahh
[06:15] <Desh> does frostwire conect to Limewire servers?
[06:15] <lengau> Just start Apollon without setting up giFT. It'll work automagically.
[06:15] <lengau> Frostwire is Limewire.
[06:15] <Snake__> Desh: its all gnutella, frostwire = open source limewire pro
[06:16] <Desh> ah i see
[06:16] <Desh> sweet
[06:16] <Desh> thanks
[06:16] <Desh> ew rpm ew
[06:16] <Desh> I love how Debian/Ubuntu has its own d/l
[06:17] <lengau> I use Apollon with the OpenFT, Gnutella, Fasttrack, and Ares plugins (some from the ubuntu universe/multiverse repos, some compiled by hand)
[06:18] <Desh> can i install a deb by right click -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install
[06:18] <Desh> ?
[06:18] <Snake__> Desh: I think that works
[06:18] <lengau> Desh: It does/ I do that sometimes.
[06:19] <lengau> I've hacked that menu item so you can do it with RPMs also (using alien).
[06:21] <Desh> Lol
[06:21] <Desh> wow, i dont think Linux could be easier...
[06:22] <Desh> I thought it was gonna be difficult pssh
[06:22] <ankur> hey
[06:22] <ankur> Desh try installing my wireless cad
[06:22] <ankur> card
[06:22] <Hobbsee> ankur: hehe
[06:22] <Hobbsee> seen !wifi?
[06:22] <Desh> Lol
[06:23] <Desh> I installed my own WiFI card :)
[06:23] <Desh> ndiswrapper
[06:23] <Desh> wats wpa?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> wasnt *too* much of a pain - not after teh first time, anyway :P
[06:23] <Desh> the encryption?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> !wpa
[06:23] <ubotu> hmm... wpa is enable the universe repository, then "sudo apt-get update", and then "sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant".  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto for more details
[06:23] <Hobbsee> hey bimberi_
[06:23] <Desh> o_O
[06:23] <Desh> I used ndiswrapper
[06:23] <Hobbsee> Desh: yes, it is
[06:23] <Desh> :P
[06:24] <Hobbsee> wpa is the encrytion
[06:24] <Desh> and WEP
[06:24] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:24] <Desh> yeah thought so
[06:24] <Desh> my WEP wns your WPA
[06:24] <Desh> *pwns
[06:24] <Hobbsee> ankur: what did you get so far?
[06:24] <bimberi_> hi Hobbsee :)
[06:24] <Desh> !ndiswrapper
[06:24] <ubotu> ndiswrapper is, like, totally, a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[06:24] <Hobbsee> heh - wpa's safer - keys get regenerated every hour or so
[06:24] <Desh> hmm
[06:24] <Desh> thats cool
[06:24] <Desh> !pwnage
[06:24] <ubotu> it has been said that pwnage is found at http://pwnage.com
[06:25] <Desh> no way!
[06:25] <Desh> LMAO
[06:25] <ankur> Hobbsee:  well my friend found me some linux based drivers for the Broadcom cards
[06:25] <ankur> im gunna try those
[06:25] <Hobbsee> ankur: yep, cool
[06:25] <Desh> :O
[06:25] <Desh> Evil
[06:25] <Desh> I had to use ndiswrapper for my broadcom card
[06:26] <Desh> and every time i reboot i have to use the CLI to start wlan again -_-
[06:26] <Crashoveride> hey gusy I need some help
[06:26] <Desh> With what, sir?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Desh: on dapper?  that shouldnt be happening
[06:27] <Desh> Nah I use Breezy
[06:27] <Crashoveride> I am remote desktop from home and need root  to install php4 on my school workstation
[06:27] <Desh> o_O
[06:27] <Desh> !dapper
[06:27] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[06:27] <Desh> hmm
[06:27] <Desh> How can ppl use Dapper..if its not out yet...
[06:27] <Snake__> Desh: DO NOT USE THE LIVE DISK INSTALLER
[06:27] <Snake__> if you go to dapper
[06:27] <Snake__> Desh: beta/alpha releases
[06:27] <Desh> Live Disks are not good for installations duh
[06:27] <bimberi> !flight5
[06:28] <ubotu> I guess flight5 is http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[06:28] <Desh> like KNoppix
[06:28] <ankur> Hobbsee:  if i can get them to work ill be back
[06:28] <Desh> Knoppix was my first intro to Linux lol
[06:28] <Snake__> Desh: no no no no, they are building a installer to combine the 2 disks, right now its havin issues (for me and a few others anyway)
[06:28] <Crashoveride> I am remote desktop from home and need root  to install php4 on my school workstation
[06:28] <Desh> OMG every once in a while a screen pops up saying something about my LCD
[06:28] <Snake__> Desh: knoppix is a made to be live OS, when you upgrade it the whole system goes kaboom
[06:28] <Desh> yah i know
[06:29] <Desh> A screen tells me about LCD being on/off
[06:29] <Desh> How do I turn this off?
[06:29] <Snake__> Desh: they are writing a program called expresso for ubuntu live that installs the system using a regular install (like mepis or pclinuxos)
[06:29] <Desh> I thik it has to do with my monitor congfig
[06:29] <Crashoveride> I am remote desktop from home and need root  to install php4 on my school workstation
[06:29] <Crashoveride> how can I get root?
[06:29] <Snake__> Crashoveride: sudo?
[06:29] <Desh> sudo?
[06:29] <Desh> :)
[06:29] <nalioth_zZz> ubotu: forget pwnage
[06:29] <ubotu> nalioth_zZz: i didn't have anything called 'pwnage'
[06:30] <Crashoveride> lol I did sudo -s and i need a passwrod anyway to get around this?
[06:30] <Snake__> You cant "Get around" sudo
[06:30] <Desh> ur pass at school workstation?
[06:30] <Snake__> you need a password for it
[06:30] <Hobbsee> Desh: there's a new ndiswrapper :D
[06:30] <Desh> How do I get to my monitor's config?
[06:30] <Desh> version?
[06:30] <Desh> I have 1.11
[06:31] <Crashoveride> hmph guess I cant get it then...I need root pass right?>
[06:31] <TubaSoldier> can kubuntu use the same repsoitories as ubuntu?
[06:31] <Snake__> Crashoveride: correct
[06:31] <TubaSoldier> and vice versa?
[06:31] <Snake__> Crashoveride: stopteyin to hack your school :P
[06:31] <frank23> Crashoveride: the sudo pass is the same as the first user
[06:32] <Snake__> TubaSoldier: there is only one repo, kubuntu and ubuntu both pull from it
[06:32] <TubaSoldier> oh. ok
[06:32] <Snake__> and xubuntu
[06:32] <Snake__> and edubuntu
[06:32] <Snake__> :)
[06:32] <Desh> damn u open frostwire
[06:32] <lengau> jsut rewrite su to not ask you for your password.
[06:32] <TubaSoldier> is there DVD playback and mp3 support or does that all have to be hunted down?
[06:32] <nalioth_zZz> !botabuse
[06:32] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[06:32] <Crashoveride> I dont want to hack honest, Im logged in as my user but I am like 3 weeks ahead of my PHP class and want to install the version so I can run web php files instead of doing everything fron konsole
[06:32] <Desh> i hate when I click an app and it doesnt open -_-
[06:32] <nalioth_zZz> !ircrules
[06:32] <ubotu> you are invited to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcRules
[06:32] <lengau> *the root password
[06:32] <Snake__> ubotu: tell TubaSoldier about restricted formats
[06:33] <TubaSoldier> ok, thanks.
[06:33] <Desh> i have mp3 support...
[06:33] <lengau> TubaSoldier: Google Automatix
[06:33] <Snake__> lengau: if you rewrite sudo it wont help you...
[06:33] <Snake__> you will then just need to su root yourself
[06:33] <Desh> How do I get the message teling me about LCD being off to go away forever?
[06:33] <nalioth_zZz> !automatix
[06:34] <ubotu> automatix is, like, totally, unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[06:34] <frank23> Crashoveride: can't you install ubuntu at home and do everything locally?
[06:34] <Snake__> nalioth_zZz: are you ok??
[06:35] <lengau> Snake_: It's a Geekcode joke, and it's rewrite su, not sudo
[06:35] <Desh> guys, how do i get ot the monitor config?
[06:35] <Snake__> Desh: kcontrol (alt + F2)
[06:35] <Crashoveride> frank23: well I have a linux server running, but I want to be able to work on my stuff at school as well, and I cant do that on with my linux server
[06:35] <Desh> that guves me the run command
[06:36] <lengau> I use Automatix without any problems (although I didn't keep the sources.list file or anything)
[06:36] <Snake__> Desh: type kcontrol and run it
[06:36] <Snake__> lengau: Easy Ubuntu ftw
[06:36] <Desh> oh ok lol
[06:36] <robin> hello, i am having trouble playing movies and mp3's in drake. they only work with vlc plaayer, any one help?
[06:37] <lengau> Snake_: I've used that, too.
[06:37] <Desh> hmm KDE spash vs Kubuntu splash?
[06:38] <_shane> I installed kubuntu on a ext3 partition, will just turning the power off damage it?
[06:38] <Snake__> _shane: why not shut down
[06:39] <_shane> Snake__: just wondering about accedents mainly.
[06:39] <lengau> _shane: It might, if it's writing to the disk at the time it powers off
[06:39] <_shane> lengau: what if its not (at least for a while).
[06:39] <Snake__> if its a accident, what can you do..but just like ntfs or fat, there is a risk involved
[06:39] <darkmatter1> hey, I just got kubuntu up and running and I have 2 questions
[06:40] <Snake__> !ask
[06:40] <Snake__> !+ask
[06:40] <ubotu> ask is, like, totally, just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Keeping the question in one line makes it easier to read. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[06:40] <darkmatter1> first, on the desktop, it always says that there is an unmounted USB device, which it cant ever find
[06:40] <darkmatter1> is that normal?
[06:40] <Snake__> nope
[06:40] <Snake__> lol
[06:40] <darkmatter1> lol
[06:40] <darkmatter1> kinda random then...
[06:40] <Snake__> unless you have a sata hdd, then i might be able to see why it says that
[06:40] <darkmatter1> although its not hurting the system in any ways I know
[06:41] <darkmatter1> yeah
[06:41] <darkmatter1> its sata
[06:41] <darkmatter1> im dual booting it off a secondary using grub
[06:41] <lengau> _shane: it can normally just replay the journal and get it sort or working.
[06:41] <Snake__> ya thats why, right click it and see how big of a drive it is
[06:41] <darkmatter1> and both the primary and secondary are sata
[06:41] <Snake__> its probly your hdd
[06:41] <darkmatter1> it says 0 bytes
[06:41] <Snake__> what if you access it
[06:41] <Snake__> (open it)
[06:41] <darkmatter1> cant
[06:41] <_shane> lengau: ok.
[06:41] <darkmatter1> it doesnt work
[06:41] <Snake__> odd...
[06:42] <Snake__> I dunno man
[06:42] <Snake__> lol
[06:42] <darkmatter1> and, its not the same device label as my hd
[06:42] <darkmatter1> my hd is hdb according to linux
[06:42] <darkmatter1> its like sdc
[06:42] <Snake__> but I know some times sata shows up as usb
[06:42] <darkmatter1> i think
[06:42] <Snake__> hmm
[06:42] <Snake__> then i have noo idea
[06:42] <darkmatter1> ok
[06:42] <darkmatter1> ohhhh well
[06:42] <darkmatter1> but, this i need to know
[06:42] <Snake__> #2 ?? ?
[06:42] <darkmatter1> I need to get my wifi working
[06:43] <Snake__> !wifi
[06:43] <ubotu> rumour has it, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[06:43] <darkmatter1> i have a belkin 802.11 g usb adapter card
[06:43] <Snake__> good luck my man.
[06:43] <darkmatter1> k
[06:52] <Columcille> I'm a new Kubuntu user, just installed the latest release, and I'm wondering how to upgrade from KDE 3.4.3 to KDE 3.5.2? I'm using Adept and added one of the repositories listed as having KDE 3.5.2, and Adept shows packages able to be updated to 3.5.2 but says something about break upgrade when I tell it to upgrade, so I'm assuming I've missed a step somewhere. :)
[06:53] <Hobbsee> Columcille: it just means that some packages will be removed, as they are no longer in kde 3.5.2  - it should be fine
[06:54] <Columcille> the packages are marked upgradable, but when I tell it to upgrade it gives the break message and won't let me mark more than one at a time for upgrade
[06:55] <cedric> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[06:55] <cedric> See `config.log' for more details.
[06:55] <cedric> thats my problem when trying to install qtcurve
[06:55] <Snake__> cedric: sudo apt-get install build-esstentials
[06:55] <Snake__> I hope I spelled that right
[06:55] <cedric> what is this package?
[06:56] <Snake__> cedric: has the C compier and a few others you will need to build programs
[06:56] <Snake__> cedric: its "sudo apt-get install build-essentials" (correctly spelled :) )
[06:58] <lengau> Columcille: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php
[07:00] <lengau> Columcille: sorry. didn't read whole message.
[07:01] <cedric> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[07:01] <cedric> thats what happen now when i try ./configure
[07:02] <cedric> :S
[07:03] <cedric> any idea whats wrong?
[07:05] <Columcille> still can't get past 'break' packages, it won't let me upgrade a package marked 'break'. Went to the prompt with 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and it listed the kde packages I have installed but says "The following packages have been kept back"
[07:05] <Hobbsee> !xincludes
[07:05] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[07:05] <Hobbsee> cedric: ^
[07:05] <cedric> listening...
[07:06] <cedric> ok ill try
[07:07] <cedric> wow installing a simple theme looks like a little pain ;) for a newbie
[07:08] <Hobbsee> cedric: which theme, and is it already in ubuntu already?
[07:08] <kakalto> when's dapper coming out?
[07:08] <cedric> qtcurve
[07:08] <Snake__> !dapper
[07:08] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[07:08] <cedric> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[07:09] <lengau> kakalto: June 1, I believe
[07:09] <Snake__> !qt
[07:09] <ubotu> Qt is the Q-toolkit. Qt is to KDE what GTK is to GNOME. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package
[07:09] <kakalto> so are they calling it 6.04 or 6.06?
[07:09] <crimsun> the latter
[07:09] <Snake__> 6.06
[07:09] <kakalto> then they haven't gone completely insane :]
[07:09] <crimsun> that's only because we went completely insane ages ago.
[07:10] <kakalto> excellent... x]
[07:10] <kakalto> I see (k)(ed)ubuntu decided to delay, then microsoft followed suit?
[07:10] <Snake__> lol
[07:10] <kakalto> think mac'll tag along too?
[07:10] <kakalto> :P
[07:11] <Snake__> crimsun: ubuntu dapper is a huge jump, wish I could say the same for kubuntu :(
[07:11] <Columcille> so it's true that ubuntu is a trend setter?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> cedric: hmmm...it's not already in the repos
[07:11] <Snake__> Columcille: of course
[07:11] <kakalto> I think we should just organise a global coder's timefreeze for a couple of months
[07:11] <kosh> kubuntu is a pretty big jump, the difference is that they have also provided packages for most of the upgrades
[07:11] <kakalto> give everyone a bit of time :)
[07:12] <kosh> like kde has version 3.5.2 packages on the kubuntu homepage
[07:12] <kosh> that is a major upgrade over the default version in breezy
[07:12] <lengau> Quite
[07:12] <Columcille> which I can't get going hehe
[07:12] <cedric> Hobbsee: no it isnt
[07:12] <cedric> i sure try there before :)
[07:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:12] <cedric> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[07:12] <cedric> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[07:12] <cedric> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[07:12] <Snake__> kosh: meh but its not nearly as big a jump as ubuntu was... (But i have been running cutting edge kubuntu...which may be why :) )
[07:12] <cedric> thats where im at right now
[07:12] <Hobbsee> cedric: do you have the link to the qt curve page?
[07:13] <cedric> Hobbsee: no i dont
[07:13] <Hobbsee> install...libqt3-headers
[07:13] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[07:13] <lengau> Columcille: log out, go to terminal 1 (Ctrl_Alt_F1), log in, stop KDM (sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop) and upgrade (sudo apt-get upgrade)
[07:13] <cedric> thats many lib installation wish i didnt mess something up
[07:14] <crimsun> Snake__: um, just wait til KDE 4.0
[07:14] <cedric> ibqt3-headers is installed already :S
[07:14] <Hobbsee> cedric: this?  http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=5065
[07:14] <Hobbsee> oh...hmmm...
[07:15] <Hobbsee> if you install kde-devel, that will work
[07:15] <Hobbsee> but that's a lot of packages
[07:17] <cedric> thats weird that it takes that many package for a theme
[07:17] <Hobbsee> it looks very nice...
[07:19] <kosh> Snake__: kubuntu would have been a large jump if kubuntu had not kept putting out updated packages with all the cool new features
[07:19] <kosh> Snake__: I don't think that ubuntu did that so theirs is a larger jump, however theirs also has more bugs as a result
[07:19] <cedric> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=36953 ... thats what im trying to install
[07:25] <w6bi> So - most of my running services indicate not running in the control panel (even though they really are running).  Got any suggestions?
[07:26] <w6bi> And I can't keep the printer running; lpq reports it going off line when trying to printer (regardless of whether it's hooked up USB or parallel...)
[07:33] <Columcille> still no luck upgrading to kde 3.5.2 :/
[07:33] <lengau> Columcille: Sorry.
[07:34] <lengau> Columcille: I dont' have any more ideas.
[07:34] <Columcille> are there some general guides out there to managing packages in ubuntu? something that goes beyond the very basic details in the user guide?
[07:37] <Columcille> looking for info as basic as why packages would be kept back. google isn't answering me yet. :)
[07:47] <lengau> I'll try to help
[07:47] <lengau> What have you tried so far? Is the KDE 3.5.2 repo in your /etc/apt/soruces.list file?
[07:48] <Columcille> yes, and adept properly shows me the packages that could be upgraded to 3.5.2. When I do apt-get dist-upgrade from the prompt, it lists 68 KDE packages that are upgradable but are held back
[07:49] <lengau> does it give a reason?
[07:49] <Columcille> no hehe
[07:50] <Columcille> I installed the synaptic package manager and tried from that, and it said the reason was all the files depended on the 3.5.2 kdelibs package, but it wouldn't upgrade because it depended on other 3.5.2 packages which themselves depended on 3.5.2....
[07:50] <Columcille> double-checking that now to make sure I didn't overlook something
[07:52] <Desh> if a file is a tgz, can i install it in kubuntu?
[07:52] <Desh> or does it have to be deb?
[07:53] <crowbar> Desh: You can install it, but it won't be integrated into the apt/deb system.  You should try to use a deb file if there is one.
[07:53] <Desh> hmm ok
[07:53] <Desh> and what about a cpkg file?
[07:53] <Desh> same as tgz?
[07:54] <crowbar> Desh: Don't know.  never used a cpkg file but I would assume it should be no problem.  Just make sure you know how to uninstall the packages in case they bork something.
[07:54] <Desh> ah ok, I found a deb tho
[07:54] <lengau> If the tgz file is a binary file, you could possibly use alien to convert it to a deb.
[07:55] <Desh> oh ok
[07:55] <Desh> yay
[07:55] <lengau> What are you trying to get, anyway?
[07:55] <Desh> cedega
[07:55] <Desh> =P
[07:56] <lengau> ahh.
[07:56] <Desh> hmm
[07:56] <Desh> many time
[07:56] <Desh> s
[07:56] <lengau> do they have an RPM?
[07:56] <Desh> i click on a proggy but it doesnt run
[07:56] <Desh> they might
[07:56] <Desh> Like Frostwire doest run when i click it in the menu
[07:56] <Desh> and i tried installing an exe but it never loaded up
[07:57] <lengau> Desh and Columcille: sudo apt-get -f install
[07:57] <Desh> ah ok RO installation is working =)
[07:57] <Desh> whats that?
[07:57] <Columcille> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 68 not upgraded.
[07:58] <Desh> what does that comand do?
[07:58] <Desh> i mean
[07:58] <Desh> what does it install?
[07:58] <lengau> apt-get -f install fixes any broken dependencies
[07:58] <Columcille>        -f, --fix-broken
[07:58] <lengau> yeah.
[07:59] <Desh> oh ok
[07:59] <Desh> thanks
[07:59] <Columcille> here I'm running a fresh install, just loaded kubuntu tonight. I've added a small handfull of packages via adept but haven't fiddled with anything dangerous, yet. :)
[07:59] <Desh> hmmm see i clicked frostwire
[07:59] <Desh> and i see the bounching icon
[07:59] <Desh> but then is disappears
[07:59] <Desh> never loads up
[08:00] <lengau> Columcille: Maybe a two step process is needed. Try changing kde352 to kde35 in sources.list. That'll install KDE 3.5
[08:00] <Desh> what is he trying to do?
[08:00] <Columcille> looks like I can tell kdelibs-bin to upgrade, and it will do so - but will remove all installed kde applications. May try that with the vague hope that I can go back and re-add the others without a problem
[08:00] <Columcille> hmm, I'll try that first hehe
[08:01] <lengau> Columcille: Then log out, restart KDM and log in again. Then upgrade to 3.5.2
[08:01] <Columcille> :-D
[08:01] <Columcille> upgrading to 3.5
[08:01] <Desh> im installing ragnarok online with WinE
[08:01] <Desh> :)
[08:01] <lengau> That's what I did (of course, with a few weeks between 3.5 and 3.5.2, but you know...)
[08:01] <Columcille> trying 3.5 first would not have occured to me, thanks.
[08:01] <lengau> You're welcome.
[08:01] <lengau> is it working?
[08:02] <Columcille> yes, it's upgrading packages now
[08:02] <Columcille> 3.5
[08:02] <Columcille> when done I'll try 3.5.2
[08:03] <lengau> Cool. I'll email the Kubuntu guys and let them know about that if the 3.5.2 upgrade works.
[08:04] <Columcille> I'm coming to kubuntu from gentoo, from a host of other distros in the years before that. Still prefer gentoo for servers, but I wanted to play with some other, simpler options for desktop. Kubuntu impresses me thus far.
[08:06] <Columcille> okay, couldn't go from 3.5.0 to 3.5.2, so I'm doing 3.5.1 hehe, that is working so far. After that I'll try 2 again
[08:08] <lengau> okay. maybe it's something in their server, in which case I'll notify them about that.
[08:09] <Columcille> still didn't work, gave the same error
[08:09] <robotgeek> Columcille: what error
[08:09] <Columcille> using deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ breezy main
[08:10] <Columcille> robotgeek: well, to call it an error is a bit of an overstatement hehe, it's not really telling me anything
[08:10] <Columcille> apt-get dist-upgrade will list the kde packages but will say 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 70 not upgraded.
[08:10] <Columcille> no information given as to why they won't upgrade
[08:10] <Columcille> is there a way to have it give me more info?
[08:10] <robotgeek> Columcille: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:10] <Desh> cmooon
[08:10] <Desh> I hope this works :)
[08:11] <Columcille> robotgeek: erm, that's what I did, as I indicated above
[08:11] <robotgeek> Columcille: hmm, do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[08:11] <Columcille> well, I didn't say sudo, but I sent it through sudo hehe
[08:12] <lengau> Perhaps try from a differenc server?
[08:12] <Columcille> I asked myself the same thing, it isn't shown as installed via adept, but I'm running a fresh kubuntu install and I'd assume the kubuntu desktop files came with the fresh install
[08:13] <lengau> Yes. it does.
[08:13] <lengau> It automatically uninstalls when you upgrade KDE, though, I believe
[08:13] <Columcille> it was shown as not installed before I did an upgrade
[08:14] <lengau> okay.
[08:14] <lengau> Perhaps try from a different server?
[08:14] <robotgeek> Columcille: you should probably have had it installed before you tried anything
[08:14] <lengau> try deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/software/kde/stable/3.5.2/kubuntu breezy main
[08:14] <robotgeek> Columcille: it's not the mirrors, i'm using the same one as you are
[08:14] <lengau> Where in the world are you?
[08:14] <Desh> amg ok i click the wine app and it doesnt load
[08:15] <lengau> Desh: reboot.
[08:15] <lengau> Or at least log out and log in.
[08:15] <Columcille> that site gives the same response
[08:15] <Desh> oh ok, will do, thanks
[08:16] <lengau> I was using the kubuntu.org server, too when I upgraded.
[08:16] <Columcille> you up'd to 3.5.2? from which version?
[08:16] <lengau> 3.5.1
[08:17] <lengau> Try sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[08:17] <lengau> aptitude usually gives quite good output.
[08:18] <ged> I'm running dapper, and my xine install doesn't understand how to play back any mp3 files....
[08:18] <ged> am I missing a package?
[08:18] <lengau> ged: this channel is still for breezy. try #ubuntu+1.
[08:19] <Columcille> hehe it just says the same thing
[08:19] <ged> k
[08:19] <lengau> hmm...
[08:20] <lengau> xftr
[08:20] <lengau> jjtynjbfr
[08:20] <lengau> dt6i
[08:20] <tubasoldier> lengau what package did you tell me to search for earlier to install lame and other codecs like that?
[08:20] <lengau>  t555555bn
[08:20] <lengau> tubasoldier: lame is just the package lame
[08:22] <kameron> "Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (<IP_ADDRESS>-ubuntu1) ..." stalls every time. anyone else experiencing this? i'm in dapper.
[08:22] <lengau> kameron: this channel is for breezy. Try #ubuntu+1
[08:22] <kameron> lengau, already did, just thought i'd cover my options. thanks though.
[08:23] <Columcille> ok, I think I'm going to reinstall kubuntu to start fresh, make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed (it's now among the packages that won't install hehe) and try from there.
[08:23] <lengau> Okay.
[08:23] <lengau> Columcille: Wait, don't do that yet.
[08:23] <Columcille> other ideas?
[08:24] <lengau> thinking
[08:24] <robotgeek> kameron: try apt-cache clean and try reinstalling
[08:25] <robotgeek> lengau: well, just guessing :)
[08:25] <Columcille> okay, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop fails because of two dependencies: kaddressbook ksysguard. kaddressbook requires libgnokii2
[08:26] <lengau> Columcille: robotgeek's idea for kameron might work for you, too.
[08:26] <lengau> WAIT! I THINK I HAVE IT
[08:26] <robotgeek> Columcille: and why doesn't libgnokii2 install?
[08:26] <robotgeek> ged, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:26] <lengau> Columcille: do you have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled?
[08:26] <Columcille> robotgeek: it's not finding it in my repositories, trying to hunt down why
[08:27] <lengau> Columcille: do you have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled?
[08:28] <Columcille> do now hehe, libgnokii2 now installed
[08:29] <lengau> Always some mundane detail
[08:29] <lengau> does it upgrade now?
[08:30] <Columcille> having a problem with ksysguard, says that ksysguard depends on ksysguardd3.5.1 but ksysguardd3.5.2 is to be installed - and yet I've set up my repositories for 3.5.1
[08:31] <Columcille>   ksysguard: Depends: ksysguardd (= 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu0breezy1) but 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu0breezy1 is to be installed
[08:31] <lengau> set your repos for 3.5.2
[08:31] <Columcille> let me clean the cache
[08:32] <Columcille> hey, there we go
[08:32] <Columcille> switched to 3.5.2 now and it is upgrading it all
[08:32] <ged> robotgeek: thanks, through that I indirectly figured out that it was I missing libxine-extracodecs...  I thought because I had xmms working before I should have been okay...  maybe I'll file a bug that amarok should complain if it doesn't want to play a codec
[08:32] <lengau> Why didn't I think of that before?
[08:33] <Columcille> so how are the universe/multiverse sources different from others?
[08:33] <ged> right now it just instantly finishes playback
[08:33] <lengau> There are four official Kubuntu sources.
[08:33] <lengau> the two that are by default enabled are main and restricted.
[08:34] <lengau> main is any free software that is considered stable, and restricted is non-free software
[08:35] <lengau> Universe is basically "testing" and multiverse is anything that's been contributed, iirc
[08:35] <robotgeek> lengau: nope
[08:35] <lengau> then what is it?
[08:35] <robotgeek> !components
[08:35] <ubotu> The rationale behind the different components of the ubuntu repositories (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) is described at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[08:36] <lengau> Main and Restriced are the only officially supported repositories.
[08:36] <Columcille> ok update done, restarting x. bbiam
[08:37] <lengau> So Universe is contrib and multiverse is non-free contrib (in debian terms)?
[08:38] <lengau> robotgeek: (I was a debian user before I switched to Kubuntu)
[08:39] <robotgeek> lengau: i don't recall the debian terms, i used it 1.5 years ago
[08:40] <lengau> okay.
[08:43] <Columcille> very nice, all works.
[08:43] <lengau> YAY!!!
[08:43] <Columcille> even kubuntu-desktop is installed now hehe
[08:43] <Columcille> thanks for the help lengau and robotgeek
[08:44] <lengau> you're welcome. sorry it took so long
[08:44] <fatejudger> !wireless
[08:44] <ubotu> it has been said that wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards if it does not work out of the box https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper windows drivers
[08:45] <fatejudger> for some reason my wireless doesn't start up at boot
[08:45] <Columcille> psh, that just gave me more chances to learn stuff hehe
[08:46] <lengau> Well, must be going. Hope you like 3.5.2, Columcille!
[08:46] <Columcille> thanks again. :)
[08:46] <lengau> :-)
[08:48] <myndmelder> Evening everyone
[08:50] <fatejudger> !wireless
[08:50] <ubotu> hmm... wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards if it does not work out of the box https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper windows drivers
[08:52] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: hey
[08:54] <Hobbsee> hey again fatejudger
[08:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: for some reason wireless seems very strange in Dapper
[08:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it doesn't autodetect cards
[08:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and bring up wireless connections
[08:55] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: are the cards supposed to be autodetected, or do you use ndiswrapper?
[08:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: atheros
[08:56] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: you using network manager kde at all?
[08:56] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: no
[08:56] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I had to edit /etc/network/interfaces to get it working
[08:56] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:56] <Hobbsee> is there an auto (interface) line there?
[08:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: yes
[08:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I got the card to come up
[08:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but it doesn't properly do dhcp
[08:57] <Hobbsee> yep, does it fully work, once it's up?
[08:57] <Hobbsee> ah ok...
[08:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I wish that they would have built in the facilities to autodetect cards
[08:57] <Hobbsee> what's the line below auto (interface)?
[08:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I thought they were supposed to, or did they run out of time?
[08:57] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: meet knm
[08:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: ?
[08:57] <Hobbsee> when you get dapper :P
[08:58] <Hobbsee> it detects quite nicely
[08:58] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: what does?
[08:58] <Hobbsee> network-manager-kde
[08:58] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: well I have Dapper on my laptop now
[08:58] <_lukasz> hey
[08:58] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: what kind of options do I have?
[08:58] <_lukasz> i have a Question
[08:58] <Hobbsee> !+ask
[08:58] <ubotu> rumour has it, ask is just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Keeping the question in one line makes it easier to read. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[08:59] <_lukasz> how i can change language in my KDE ? before i have Gnome and than i have ny poish language but now i have only english ... How i can change it ?
[08:59] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: it's probably easier to force your wireless to work without knm first.  what does iwconfig and /etc/network/interfaces look like?  can you pastebin them please?
[09:00] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: system settings, regions and accessibility,
[09:00] <_lukasz> please answer me here
[09:01] <_lukasz> ok
[09:01] <_lukasz> but i was there
[09:01] <Hobbsee> country/region & language tab
[09:01] <Hobbsee> add language
[09:01] <_lukasz> and in list i have only english
[09:01] <_lukasz> i done that
[09:01] <_lukasz> but there is onlky english
[09:01] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: add the country that you want first, then do the language?
[09:02] <_lukasz> yes i done that
[09:02] <_lukasz> but in list i still have only english
[09:02] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[09:02] <Hobbsee> ah...
[09:02] <Hobbsee> what language did you want?
[09:03] <_lukasz> polish
[09:04] <Hobbsee> !+info language-pack-pl
[09:04] <ubotu> language-pack-pl: (translation updates for language Polish), section translations, is optional. Version: 20051011 (breezy), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[09:04] <Hobbsee> !+info language-pack-kde-pl
[09:04] <ubotu> language-pack-kde-pl: (KDE translation updates for language Polish), section translations, is optional. Version: 20060126 (breezy), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
[09:04] <fatejudger_> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.com/630348
[09:04] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: you may want install both of them, then try again
[09:04] <_lukasz> ok
[09:05] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: auto ath0 is usually above the ath0 parameters, so you might want to swap them
[09:05] <Hobbsee> and i wonder what that script does
[09:07] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: then check iwconfig, to see if your essid shows up, otherwise do a "sudo iwconfig ath0 essid Chiron", until it shows up in iwconfig
[09:07] <_lukasz> IT WORKS !
[09:08] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: yay!
[09:08] <_lukasz> Hobbsee thx :)
[09:08] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: no problems :)
[09:08] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: use apt-cache search pl for other interesting localisation packages you may want to install
[09:09] <_lukasz> but how to use it ? :P
[09:09] <_lukasz> i havew linux only few hours ;P
[09:10] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: then sudo apt-get install (packagename)
[09:10] <Xsecrets> anyone know how to find a bad .desktop file?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> better still, use adept, then search for pl
[09:10] <Hobbsee> and click install for any that look useful
[09:10] <_lukasz> but what packagename ?
[09:10] <_lukasz> i dont know what packages are useful ;P
[09:11] <Hobbsee> _lukasz: in adept, it gives you a whole lot of package descriptions
[09:11] <Hobbsee> by those descriptions, you'll see if they're useful
[09:11] <Hobbsee> if in doubt, you can always install ones at random or something :P
[09:11] <_lukasz> but how i know which i of them need ?
[09:11] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: the Network Config thing didn't work
[09:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and now keeps crashing
[09:12] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: yeah, it never does.  why were you in there?
[09:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: just to test it out
[09:12] <Hobbsee> it stops crashing, when the network works..
[09:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I know there's a program for Linux that autodetects these cards now
[09:12] <Hobbsee> oh...hehe...i coulda told you that - i filed a bug on that months ago
[09:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: they must have delayed the implementation in Kubuntu
[09:12] <Hobbsee> there may well be
[09:12] <Hobbsee> do the devs know it exists?
[09:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'm sure they do
[09:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it probably took to long to implement
[09:14] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: do you have a link to it?  i've never heard of it
[09:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: there are oodles of programs written now for easy autodetection
[09:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I don't have it offhand, do a little googling and I'm sure you'll find it
[09:15] <Hobbsee> true
[09:15] <Hobbsee> if looking for the right thing
[09:17] <heinkel_111> good morning :)
[09:20] <robotgeek> kokurya-kai: hmm, public aways and arrivals :)
[09:24] <_lukasz> :P
[09:24] <_lukasz> i have another question
[09:24] <Hobbsee> !+ask
[09:24] <ubotu> I guess ask is just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Keeping the question in one line makes it easier to read. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[09:25] <_lukasz> o :P
[09:26] <_lukasz> how i can write polish sings ?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> sings?
[09:26] <_lukasz> letters
[09:27] <_lukasz> in my kaybord
[09:28] <_lukasz> ??
[09:33] <_lukasz> did somone know ?
[09:43] <simian__> if I insert a picture into Kword and save it, the next time i open the document, the picture would have moved to somewhere in the second page
[09:43] <simian__> is this a known bug or am i missing something
[09:47] <fatejudger> simian__: are you using the new Release Candidate?
[09:47] <simian__> yes rc1