[00:01] <user1> can i install hardy without burning it to cd. just from hardisk. if yes. how?
[00:01] <user1> can i install/upgrade hardy without burning it to cd. just from hardisk. if yes. how?
[00:01] <Flannel> !install | user1
[00:01] <ubotu> user1: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[00:01] <Flannel> !upgrade | user1
[00:01] <ubotu> user1: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[00:02] <user1> Flannel in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes  hardy is not supported
[00:03] <jbroome> sudo dist-upgrade -d
[00:03] <Flannel> user1: Its the same stuff, Hardy isnt supported because its still not a final.  Topic has stuff on Hardy upgrades, if theyre not mentioned on that page
[00:06] <user1> ok. can you tel me commands to upgrade from command line if i have the downloaded the iso file?
[00:07] <peepsalot> hmm, i tried to view the contents of a samba share folder, and nautilus appears to be hunf
[00:07] <peepsalot> hung
[00:09] <jbroome> user1: i think if you mount the iso loopback, you may be able to upgrade that way
[00:09] <slipttees> grub is much slow, and gdm too
[00:10] <slipttees> why ?
[00:10] <user1> jbroome what? how
[00:14]  * slipttees away - Novela!
[00:14] <user1> how to install guest addons for puel version of virtualbox. (i think its must for sharing files/partitions)? or is there any other way to share files?
[00:17] <ikonia> user1: what version of ubuntu are you using
[00:18] <user1> 7.10
[00:18] <user1> it suporest ose only
[00:18] <ikonia> user1: ok - so why are you asking in here ?
[00:18] <ikonia> user1: this is for hardy 8.04 - your already asking in #ubuntu, so don't ask this channel to support 7.10
[00:20] <user1> ikonia i need the command to install guest additions ?
[00:20] <ikonia> user1: so ? why are you asking in here
[00:21] <user1> i was asking about hardy and i forgot i shouldnt ask here
[00:22] <ikonia> you knew you should, as you've been told today and your asking in the #ubuntu channel first, so you knew what you where doing then you changed channels and came here
[00:23] <user1> ikonia do you read minds too?
[00:23] <ikonia> no, but I can read time stamps
[00:24] <ffm> Dr_willis, "xfix      try to fix x server" is one  of the three options along with "resume normal boot" and "root shell prompt"  when you boot into SU mode.
[00:24] <user1> ikonia and make asumptions:)
[00:27] <ffm> It's the recovery menu.
[00:30] <Monobi> how do I increase the space allowed to Ubuntu when I installed with Wubi ?
[00:31] <ikonia> Monobi: you'd have to re-partition
[00:31] <Monobi> Dang it
[00:31] <ikonia> as I understand it
[00:32] <Monobi> I didn't partition to install with Wubi, though.
[00:32] <Monobi> It is installed as any other application.
[00:36] <Dr_willis> wubi uses a 'virtual drive file' i thought on the windows filesystem
[00:36] <Dr_willis> !wubi
[00:36] <ubotu> wubi is Wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi-installer.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it is included in hardy 8.04 beta CD and will be in the final release)
[00:37] <Dr_willis> and thats the extent of my wubi knowledge. :)
[00:38] <Monobi> Ok
[00:38] <Monobi> I'll make a post
[00:39] <Dr_willis> wubi has a homepage i imagine and some docs as well. :)
[00:43] <kristina> hi, is nvidia-glx-new safe? should I install it instead of nvidia-glx?
[00:44] <Dr_willis> kristina,  what one to use - depeends on the card you have.
[00:44] <Dr_willis> The nvidia docs mention what one for what cards
[00:44] <kristina> Dr_willis: can you tell me where to find the docs?
[00:44] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[00:44] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:45] <Dr_willis> theres a link there somewhere on the nvidia page
[00:45] <Dr_willis> or check at the nvidia website
[00:45] <Dr_willis> my 8800 uses nvidia-glx-new
[00:46] <arcanistherogue> If I update to 8.04 right now will it be very different from the RC tomorrow
[00:46] <arcanistherogue> will every package need to be reupdated for hte RC versions or are only a few things different between the current hardy and the RC
[00:46] <narvin> hello. can someone please help me get sound working? I was on Gutsy and just moved to Hardy to try to fix it but it didnt work. error message I get is: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[00:46] <Dr_willis> arcanistherogue,  hard to tell. :) untill the update happwns.
[00:47] <narvin> im on beta 1
[00:47] <Dr_willis> arcanistherogue,  i imagine there will be a few updates. proberly not  more then<PHONE_NUMBER>0gb. :)
[00:47] <nomasteryoda> Dr_willis, sometimes its like you were pw0ned too... "happwns"
[00:47] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[00:47] <arcanistherogue> well
[00:47] <shadow420> well later I am trashing hardy KDE and getting gnome version
[00:47] <arcanistherogue> I think I'll just wait until tomorrow
[00:48] <nomasteryoda> my Gnome in hardy is fine until I unplug the power and walk around...
[00:48] <narvin> can someone please help? i've googled and found nothing. ubuntu is virtually unusable on this pc right now. i don't want to go back to windows
[00:48] <narvin> <-- noob
[00:48] <nomasteryoda> then every so often the sound starts skipping and mouse/keyboard is frozen
[00:48] <Dr_willis> no sound makes ubuntu unuseable? :)
[00:48] <nomasteryoda> then its ok for another round
[00:48] <narvin> i mean everything works except sound. so its usable. but i need audio
[00:48] <nomasteryoda> yea
[00:48] <nomasteryoda> using kde when i walk about and gnome for desktop use
[00:49] <Dr_willis> heh.. a lot depends on your exact soundcard/chipset. some may just not have very good support.
[00:49] <narvin> Dr_willis, how can i find out?
[00:49] <narvin> i dont know what chipset i have
[00:50] <ferric84> what time are the RCs usually released?  morning, afternoon?
[00:50] <Dr_willis> narvin,  lspci for a start.
[00:50] <Dr_willis> !sound
[00:50] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[00:50] <narvin> Dr_willis, i just tried that. not sure whats going on
[00:51] <kristina> Dr_willis: thanks
[00:51] <narvin> Dr_willis, No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[00:51] <narvin> when i double click
[00:52] <Dr_willis> I dont use gnome.. so i dont mess with gstreamer much.. plys my sound works.. so i never looked into sound issues much. cant help much more then say  try some live cd's see if any of them get sound.
[00:55] <narvin> arg. ok thanks
[00:55] <narvin> it doesnt seem to be detecting the damn hardware
[00:56] <Prez00> so how is hardy looking?
[00:59] <nomasteryoda> Dr_willis, i agree ... gnome does have issues
[00:59] <nomasteryoda> just left to kde4 again
[00:59] <nomasteryoda> total nuts
[00:59] <nomasteryoda> though kde3 is goo
[01:01] <sammyF_> I installed 8.04 beta today, and I have a question : the compiz open/close/minimize/etc effects don't work anymore (after checking that they were enabled). hardly critical, but it would be neat to get them back. Any suggestions?
[01:04] <Some_Person> When do we get RC?
[01:05] <Dr_willis> Ive been tweaking my 'jwm' desktop this week. :)
[01:06] <Dr_willis> "It will be done and released, when its done and released"
[01:08] <nomasteryoda> jwm?
[01:09] <Some_Person> Does anyone know when we get RC?
[01:09] <nomasteryoda> Some_Person, better happen soon
[01:09] <nomasteryoda> 24th is coming fast
[01:09] <derspankster> tomorrow I believe
[01:10] <RyanPrior> jwm = Java Window Manager?
[01:12] <Some_Person> well, broken links already posted on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/RC
[01:18] <Dr_willis> "It will be done and released, when its done and released"
[01:18] <Dr_willis> !info jwm
[01:18] <ubotu> jwm (source: jwm): Very small lightweight pure X11 window manager with tray and menus. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.1-1.1 (hardy), package size 93 kB, installed size 284 kB
[01:18] <Dr_willis> a Huge 284K!
[01:23] <chtri> hmm what happened to Release Candidate?
[01:23] <Dr_willis> "It will be done and released, when its done and released"
[01:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:23] <rsk> no RC chtri
[01:24] <chtri> i see
[01:24] <derspankster> Dr_willis: I keep hearing it's coming tomorrow
[01:24] <Fdisk93> hello all
[01:25] <Fdisk93> is it ok to just hang out read/learn ?
[01:25] <derspankster> ok with me
[01:25] <Fdisk93> thank you
[01:25] <ChaosParser> Yeah, why wouldn't it be? :)
[01:26] <Fdisk93> well ive been on some channels that dont allow idle clients
[01:26] <Fdisk93> i just wanted to be sure first
[01:26] <wastrel> never heard of that
[01:26] <rsk> #winehq has idle-limit for 2 days for example
[01:26] <rsk> then kick :)
[01:27] <Fdisk93> cool
[01:27] <DB42> to whoever fixed the usb quirk for the "microsoft sound system 80" thanks, it works perfectly now\
[01:27] <DB42> how can i set my mouse sensitivity ?
[01:27] <Dr_willis> if you are idling - you aint learning much. :)
[01:27] <xet7> What does mean the following, it's filling my /var/logs with many GB of logs: Apr 18 03:04:33 koti-laptop kernel: [  262.358022] phy0: not handling 0x02 type control frame
[01:28] <edoceo> Any ideas how to remove kppp with out the apt-get program thinking I should remove all of KDE?
[01:28] <derspankster> preferences>mouse
[01:28] <DB42> thanks, works :)
[01:28] <sammyF_> hmm ... any idea why an icon set that worked in gutsy suddenly doesn't work in hardy anymore?
[01:28] <DB42> and removing the nvidia logo at X start ? :)
[01:28] <sammyF_> more specifically, the drawers/drive icons
[01:29] <Dr_willis> edoceo,  removung 'kubuntu-desktop' will not remove all of kde.
[01:29] <Dr_willis> why do you want to remove kppp anyway?
[01:29] <edoceo> It tells me it will remove kde4 - and that I should use autoremove
[01:30] <phish> I installed the beta and now my sound isn't working _at_all_ what can i do?
[01:30] <edoceo> Maybe I don't understand apt
[01:30] <croddy> phish, i had the same sound problem when i first upgraded. it turns out that the modules didn't get installed with the kernel.
[01:30] <croddy> what i had to do was apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-`uname -r` and reboot.
[01:30] <phish> ok
[01:30] <phish> I'll give that a shot.
[01:31] <RyanPrior> You will never understand APT. It is the greatest Linux mystery - its acronym is All Powerful Totally-Gigantic Enigmatic Thing.
[01:32] <RyanPrior> Your brain can never comprehend the vast hugeness of its package repositories.
[01:32] <croddy> nah i came from debian
[01:32] <croddy> felt kinda cramped for a bit actually...
[01:33] <ffm__> Hey, for some reason my downloads from the repositories suddenly stop at random times.
[01:33] <Dr_willis> i have kde4 and kde3 both installed. Somthing did remove kde3 konwueror the other day
[01:34] <RyanPrior> ffm__: I'm seeing slow repos too.
[01:34] <ffm__> RyanPrior, For me they seem to just... stop.
[01:34] <ffm__> RyanPrior, But I'm using the mit mirror.
[01:35] <RyanPrior> ffm__: Well, we're probably not seeing the same problem then.
[01:35] <RyanPrior> ffm__: Unless perhaps some upgrade high jinks is going on at all the mirrors?
[01:35] <HavNfun> Hi - Anyone know how to make Rhythmbox default player for MP3 files?
[01:36] <croddy> system -> preferences -> preferred applications -> multimedia
[01:36] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: Why would you want that? Rhythmbox is for library management, Totem is for per-song or per-playlist playing.
[01:37] <croddy> i agree
[01:38] <RyanPrior> croddy: Your solution doesn't work. The default media player is not the program which opens when you double-click an MP3.
[01:38] <keanu> since no preinstalled packages require libsdl1.2debian-*, is there any reason why libsdl1.2debian-alsa is currently installed by default instead of -pulseaudio?  not only is pulseaudio the default sound system now, but SDL applications with sound don't work without the -pulseaudio package
[01:38] <HavNfun> Sorry new at this - was not aware of that. will install Totem, and check it out.
[01:38] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: Totem is already installed on Ubuntu. :-)
[01:39] <jimmygoon> Whats the easiest way to install kde4 in an existing hardy install?
[01:39] <HavNfun> I don't see it - this is Hardy Heron beta 8.04 install w/gnome
[01:39] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: It's called "Totem Movie Player" I think, or just "Movie Player" in the application menu.
[01:39] <Dr_willis> gmplayer tends to get the name 'movie player' also.
[01:40] <HavNfun> oh ok - Movie player has come up when I double click an MP3 file - Didn't know this would be best choice of players....
[01:40] <ffm__> Hey, I'm getting nasty scrollkeeper errros while installing ubuntu desktop.
[01:41] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: if you want to play a single MP3 file, it's pretty decent.
[01:41] <ffm__> "pasrser error: Entitiy "B(SQUARE)(SQUARE)(SQUARE)(SQUARE)(SQUARE)(SQUARE)" not defined"
[01:41] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: and others - thank you
[01:41] <ffm__> Where (SQUARE) is a dimond charecter.
[01:41] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: if you're looking through your library and just want to listen to the beginning of a song to remember which one is which, if you hover over the mp3's icon it will start playing without even opening an application.
[01:42] <HavNfun> How about if I was playing group of different songs or a whole album - what is reccomended?
[01:42] <HavNfun> Yea found that out aswell
[01:42] <mc-george> Hello, I can get the network settings to see my wireless connection, just not use it
[01:42] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: I would suggest adding a Rhythmbox quick-launch to your Gnome panel, opening it, and selecting the songs you want to pla.
[01:42] <ffm__> Hm.. it seemed to pass by it...
[01:43] <derspankster> HavNfun: it's a personal choice, I tend to listen to full albums and I use Audacious
[01:43] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: Is it easy enough to add the quick-launch?
[01:44] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: dead simple. Right click the Gnome Panel, select Add to Panel, and select Application Launcher.
[01:44] <HavNfun> I heard of Audacious - Heard good things about it - might give that a try.
[01:45] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: cool - your a help and a half - appreciate it!
[01:46] <HavNfun> I found a really nice Texas Hol'em game in synaptics - very nice graphics - I'm really likng this Ubuntu...  :o)
[01:46] <HavNfun> Hold'em
[01:46] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: Yeah, Ubuntu is getting some really nice games.
[01:48] <HavNfun> Hardware support is great! - Will it make much difference to download the Final release on the 24th and do a clean re-install - or be kinda of a mute point with updates happening etc. ?
[01:48] <Dr_willis> Mute point.
[01:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:48] <Dr_willis> moot point.
[01:48] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: With Wine, I've been able to play a lot of Windows games with friends over LAN as well. Age of Empires, Counter Strike, Call of Duty.
[01:48] <HavNfun> Dr_Willis: thought so - thx
[01:49] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: The upgrade to the final version ought to be trivial since you've already got Hardy packages installed.
[01:49] <RyanPrior> It could be a mute point if the point isn't very loud.
[01:49] <HavNfun> RyanPror: Wow that's too cool! - I heard of a prog. called CrossOver - Is that any better then Wine?
[01:50] <HavNfun> yep - about - fina;l
[01:50] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: Crossover is the very same thing as Wine, except with some additional tweaks and tools plus commercial support for some applications.
[01:50] <HavNfun> So which is best ?
[01:50] <HavNfun> Wine - Fee - CrossOver - Not freee?
[01:50] <HavNfun> Free
[01:51] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: I certainly suggest Crossover if you can afford it. It helps pay for enhancements to Wine and it gets you tech help with certain apps such as MS Office.
[01:51] <HavNfun> Wine - Free - VS - CrossOver is not Fee?
[01:51] <Dr_willis> CrossoverGames is new out also.
[01:51] <HavNfun> Free
[01:51] <RyanPrior> CrossOver is not free, no. It's the commercial branch of the Wine developer community.
[01:52] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: I wouldn't mind supporting it by paying for it - if it's a good app....
[01:54] <HavNfun> I guess if Wine works then the old saying "If ain't broke then don't fix it" applies - true?
[01:54] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: It is amazingly good from the standpoint of just being able to run some Windows apps unmodified on your desktop - but it does not work with all apps. There is an application compatibility database at WineHQ which you can search to see what success others have had.
[01:54] <peepsalot> anyone running dual monitors with nividia?  when I maximize a window, it tries to stretch across both screens, but I would like to be able to maximize it only within the screen it is on, is this possible?
[01:54] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: If you try Wine and you like it, you could buy Crossover for the additional tools and support, or just stay with what works.
[01:55] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: I've heard that others are having the same problem, and I am under the impression that it's a bug.
[01:55] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: I don't know how to fix it though.
[01:55] <Fritzel> is there anything special I need to do to reinstall if I have a seperate home partition? (aside from not formatting that partition?)
[01:55] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: This has open a whole nother window ( no pun intended) of oppurtunity - I;m liken this better n better - thx
[01:55] <DB42> i think my compiz is off / bad , how do i check ?
[01:56] <peepsalot> RyanPrior, hmm, would you happen to know if that would be a bug with nvidia, or with metacity, or X or ...
[01:56] <asdrubal> rox0rmatic!
[01:56] <asdrubal> is it possible to upgrade from 32bit 7.10 to 64bit 8.4?
[01:57] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: My guess would be either a bug in the Nvidia driver or a bug in Xorg, but I can't say anything for sure.
[01:57] <RAOF> asdrubal: No.
[01:57] <HavNfun> Thanks all for input appreciate it allot. Bye for now.
[01:57] <icanhas_> peepsalot: describe the problem again for me?
[01:57] <RyanPrior> asdrubal: As far as I know, going from 32 bit to 64 bit requires reinstall.
[01:57] <RAOF> asdrubal: They're treated as entirely separate architectures, so in the same way that you can't 'upgrade' from i386 to PPC, you can't upgrade from i386 to AMD64.
[01:58] <peepsalot> icanhas_, using dual monitors, i would like to maximize a window, but have it maximized within a single screen.  currently when I maximize, it stretches the window over both of my screens
[01:58] <asdrubal> RyanPrior question: will my Unreal Tournament 2004 work with proprietary nvidia and ubuntu 64bit?
[01:58] <RyanPrior> asdrubal: No clue.
[01:58] <peepsalot> icanhas_, i just want to fill one screen with one window
[01:58] <asdrubal> RAOF do you know?
[01:59] <RyanPrior> asdrubal: There are some funky things you can do with a chroot or some special libraries or whatever to set up a 32-bit compatibility environment within a 64-bit one, but I don't know how to do that or how buggy it is.
[01:59] <m0u5e> is it released at 12:00 AM tonight? :X
[01:59] <m0u5e> the RC, i mean
[01:59] <asdrubal> RyanPrior so 64bit ubuntu isn't ready for prime time yet?
[01:59] <RyanPrior> m0u5e: No promises on the RC, it's been delayed once already so while the developers are eager to push it out they will do it when it's ready.
[01:59] <icanhas_> peepsalot: that's interesting. I had someone with the exact opposite issue not too long ago, also nvidia. no idea what caused it. sorry :/ you might want to try your luck in #compiz-fusion, those guys tend to know video cards pretty well
[02:00] <m0u5e> RyanPrior: ah, no worries. I was just wondering how it was going
[02:00] <RyanPrior> asdrubal, put it this way: I'm going to be using 64-bit on my next computer. There may be some compatibility problems, but I bet they can be hacked around.
[02:00] <m0u5e> RyanPrior: I wouldn't mind if they moved it back a month, if it meant that they fixed even more bugs xD
[02:00] <asdrubal> RyanPrior ok cool
[02:00] <RAOF> asdrubal: I don't know, but it probably would.
[02:00] <RAOF> asdrubal: And failing that, ia32-libs probably contains all the necessary 32bit libs to run it.
[02:02] <RAOF> peepsalot: Hah!  You've run into the fun of dual-screen nvidia.
[02:02] <asdrubal> RAOF video encoding is generally faster in 64 bit right?
[02:02] <asdrubal> by around 10-15%
[02:02] <asdrubal> if I remember correctly
[02:02] <RAOF> asdrubal: I think you mean 30%, and more for some things :)
[02:02] <RyanPrior> asdrubal: Not according to benchmarks I've seen.
[02:03] <asdrubal> oh cool. 30%
[02:03] <asdrubal> RyanPrior your benchmarks say less than 10%?
[02:03] <RyanPrior> asdrubal: It depends on how much RAM you have. On 2GB the speedup is tiny, on 4GB you get some speedup, on 8GB you get the 15-30% figures sometimes posted.
[02:03] <asdrubal> Hunh
[02:04] <asdrubal> RyanPrior the amount of memory you have doesn't increase computational performance unless your data set couldn't already fit inside ram
[02:04] <RAOF> RyanPrior: I'm sceptical.  x86-64 should be faster no matter how much RAM; it's got more registers available.  Source links?
[02:04] <RyanPrior> RAOF: Let me dig for a sec.
[02:04] <asdrubal> Yes it has 16 registers
[02:04] <RAOF> peepsalot: You _can_ make this work, but you need both screens to be plugged in when you start X (so, basically, at boot time) and you can't dynamically change stuff.
[02:04] <asdrubal> I think ia32 only has 4 registers, right?
[02:05] <asdrubal> Anyway, Registers are often times referred to as L0 cache
[02:05] <asdrubal> so that is quadrupled in 64bit mode
[02:05] <peepsalot> RAOF, i tried to make a script that swaps xorg.conf with dual or single monitor configurations, and at the end it tries to /etc/init.d/gdm restart    but that restart command doesn't work
[02:06] <RAOF> peepsalot: Oh, you don't need to change xorg.conf; nvidia is (just barely) smart enough to not need that much handholding.
[02:06] <peepsalot> RAOF, argh, then why does it have this option to save to xorg.conf?
[02:06] <jimmygoon> damnit. after 5 30-comment bug reports the single worst ubuntu bug is still unfixed
[02:07] <RyanPrior> RAOF: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=1
[02:07] <jimmygoon> and the second worst one --  my pc crashing every time I log out -- is still unfixed as well
[02:07] <jimmygoon> >_<
[02:07] <RAOF> peepsalot: Basically you want to run "sudo nvidia-xconfig --twinview" to add the 'twinview' modeline thingy.
[02:08] <peepsalot> RAOF, i need to be able to use dual screens, and also single screens. i don't understand how this happens.  Do I have to set it back to single screen everytime before I shutdown (in case I want to start in single screen next time)?
[02:08] <asdrubal> RAOF when I reinstall 64bit ubuntu to a new partition, will copying my 32bit /home/<me> directory work like I think it hsould?
[02:08] <asdrubal> err from 7.10 32bit to 8.4 64bit
[02:09] <RAOF> asdrubal: That _should_ work.  Probably.
[02:09] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: It sounds like you want a hot-pluggable screen, which I think xrandr does.
[02:09] <asdrubal> k
[02:09] <peepsalot> is this crap explained anywhere, this is really frustrating
[02:09] <RAOF> peepsalot: Basically, you just need to add a single line to xorg.conf to make the nvidia driver go "how many screens are connected" at startup.
[02:09] <peepsalot> RyanPrior, i've been told nividia doesn't work with xranr
[02:09] <RAOF> That's because it doesn't.
[02:09] <icanhas_> Correct
[02:09] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: That may be true. I use ATI, it works well for me. :-)
[02:10] <icanhas_> xrandr is also old and outdated...
[02:10] <RAOF> The day nouveau runs WoW is the very last day that I use nvidia-glx :)
[02:10] <asdrubal> I tried hackintosh recently
[02:10] <asdrubal> I like ubuntu so much more
[02:10] <peepsalot> icanhas_, what replaces xrandr?
[02:10] <asdrubal> macintosh is incompatable with so much software
[02:10] <asdrubal> err hardware
[02:10] <asdrubal> and I don't like mac ports as I do a native gnu/linux systme
[02:10] <icanhas_> peepsalot: when did i say anything replaced it? ;)
[02:10] <RAOF> peepsalot: The proprietary "TwinView" system that you're currently fighting with.
[02:11] <Agrajag-> icanhas_: i think you'll find xrandr is definitely not old and outdated
[02:11] <icanhas_> Agrajag-: what I was trying to say is xrandr has a GUI now in Hardy :D
[02:11] <RAOF> He's possibly thinking of xrandr1.1, which isn't too crash hot.  New drivers support 1.2, which is the bee's knees, ant's pajamas, and goat's whiskers.
[02:11] <peepsalot> RAOF, do you know if nouveau supports xrandr at all?
[02:12] <jimmygoon> This is really disappointing from my stance
[02:12] <RAOF> peepsalot: Perfectly.
[02:12] <Dr_willis> I have no issues with twinview. But i just set up a big wide dual screen desktop and leave it at athat.
[02:12] <AaronMT> Can anyone fetch me the default ubuntu HEX color code in Desktop Wallpaper Colors button, its like #BAC  something
[02:12] <Agrajag-> icanhas_: ok, that's very different from saying xrandr is "old and outdated"
[02:12] <RAOF> Dr_willis: Yeah.  It's OK as long as you never want to change anything :)
[02:12] <icanhas_> Agrajag-: Yes, i'll admit i went overboard, sorry.
[02:12] <Dr_willis> RAOF,  cant say that ive ever needed to change anything.
[02:12] <RAOF> peepsalot: I change to nouveau anytime I want monitor hotplug to work :)
[02:12] <RAOF> Dr_willis: Then you obviously don't have a laptop :)
[02:13] <peepsalot> hmm
[02:13] <Dr_willis> RAOF,  the laptop i have uses ati.
[02:13] <AaronMT> or is it #DAB082
[02:13] <Dr_willis> RAOF,  :)
[02:13] <RyanPrior> AaronMT: it's #UBUNTU
[02:13] <peepsalot> RAOF,  is that in repos?
[02:13] <AaronMT> Desktop Wallpaper -> Colours -> Color box
[02:13] <AaronMT> I need the default hex code
[02:13] <RAOF> peepsalot: No; it's still under heavy development (and doesn't [supportedly] do 3d, for example).
[02:14] <hylinux> hi, anybody use the ubuntu 8.04 64 version on amd cpu ?
[02:14] <RAOF> !nouveau | peepsalot
[02:14] <ubotu> peepsalot: Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[02:14] <peepsalot> RAOF, ok, i don't think I care about 3d, it's just a work laptop
[02:14] <icanhas_> Even work laptops need compiz ;)
[02:14] <peepsalot> bah, not when it breaks java apps
[02:14] <RyanPrior> RAOF: are you a Nouveau developer?
[02:15] <RAOF> RyanPrior: Hell, no.  I package & use it, but I'm no X hacker (more's the pity).
[02:15] <peepsalot> compiz is still so MFing buggy
[02:15] <RAOF> peepsalot: So, the nouveau driver may well be good for you.  It's the fastest 2D driver available at the moment :)
[02:15] <peepsalot> neato, i will try it
[02:15] <RAOF> peepsalot: On the other hand, _heavy development_, so occasionally regressions still occur.
[02:15] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: I like compositing Metacity better, it plays well with everything I've tried.
[02:16] <peepsalot> RyanPrior, uh, i think that's not a graphics driver
[02:16] <peepsalot> and you have ATI anyways, so quit trying to confuse me
[02:16] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: Nope, it's a window manager like Compiz.
[02:16] <Dr_willis> :P
[02:16] <icanhas_> ... doesn't Metacity being a composite manager still require DRI? :P
[02:16] <Dr_willis> I like To disable all the eye candy. so i can focus on the games :)
[02:17] <RAOF> RyanPrior: Interesting, although only the lame tests encoding performance.  The last lame benchmark I saw had a 100% performance improvement in 64bit mode, but maybe something's changed.
[02:17] <Dr_willis> err.. work...
[02:17] <Dr_willis> :P
[02:17] <RAOF> icanhas_: No.
[02:17] <icanhas_> ha
[02:17] <icanhas_> RAOF: Oh. ok. :D
[02:19] <icanhas_> Who is the Hardy "Release Manager"?
[02:19] <asdrubal> is going to 64bit more of a percentage boost on AMD than Core2duo ?
[02:19] <peepsalot> RAOF, what is nv driver compared to nouveau?
[02:19] <asdrubal> nv is free software nvidia driver
[02:19] <peepsalot> but so is nouveau, right?
[02:19] <RAOF> Indeed.
[02:19] <asdrubal> not sure. nv is older though
[02:20] <jimmygoon> This is rediculous that ubuntu can't get my dpi right for the gdm screen
[02:20] <RAOF> The nv driver is maintained by nvidia, and is nearly useless - it's obfsucated, it has crappy or no acceleration for < nv5x, and it doesn't do xrandr1.2 on < nv5x.
[02:21] <asdrubal> I thought nv was maintained by X.org
[02:21] <asdrubal> in fact, I was pretty darn sure
[02:21] <RyanPrior> jimmygoon: You're right, it's rediculous. You should ask for a refund.
[02:22] <peepsalot> RAOF, what is required to switch between drivers, do you ahve to uninstall and reinstall them, or is there a simpler way?
[02:22] <icanhas_> peepsalot: just an xorg.conf
[02:22] <RAOF> peepsalot: You need to uninstall & reinstall them.  Because the nvidia blob is evil, and crap.
[02:22] <icanhas_> ...
[02:22] <RAOF> icanhas_: _No_.
[02:22] <asdrubal> peepsalot edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:22] <icanhas_> RAOF: Why not?
[02:22] <jimmygoon> RyanPrior, no its ridiculous that this bug has been documented, fixed, provided several work arounds, had much publicity from many users and yet still fixes have been reverted, revoked and not properly implemented
[02:23] <RyanPrior> jimmygoon: I agree with you.
[02:23] <RAOF> icanhas_: Because nvidia-glx overwrites Xorg libraries, and so nouveau doesn't work when nvidia-glx is installed.
[02:23] <peepsalot> ugh
[02:23] <asdrubal> and in your "Section 'Device'" look for Driver "Nvidia" and change it to nv or vice versa
[02:23] <RAOF> icanhas_: In the same way that _no_ other driver works properly when nvidia-glx is installed :)
[02:23] <peepsalot> why the hell do people say that nvidia is so great on linux?
[02:23] <RAOF> asdrubal: See teh above rant :)
[02:24] <icanhas_> RAOF: Normally I'd say I don't believe you. But that sounds very convincing lol. Just for knowing that, I'd give nvidia-glx* a --purge when i got rid of it ;)
[02:24] <RAOF> peepsalot: Because it's not quite as bad as ATI.
[02:24] <asdrubal> yeah...
[02:24] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: Nvidia's drivers are actually pretty decent. ATI's drivers have some bad problems too.
[02:24] <asdrubal> RAOF I use custom trimmed kernels that I compile myself so I always use the nvidia installer script which I am pretty sure backs up your old files
[02:24] <icanhas_> peepsalot: yeah, you should see the issues with ATI's drivers. The only difference is, there's either a fix, or you can't do it. nvidia has a lot of grey area bugs from what i've seen.
[02:24] <asdrubal> whether it is neuvou or not
[02:24] <peepsalot> is there ANY graphics chipset with reasonable linux support?
[02:25] <asdrubal> peepsalot Nvidia dude
[02:25] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: Intel is really well supported.
[02:25] <icanhas_> peepsalot: Intel is good, but their performance isn't so great
[02:25] <asdrubal> Nvidia is perfect for me
[02:25] <Ashex> son of a bitch
[02:25] <asdrubal> NVidia is about the only option if you want excellent game support
[02:25] <Ashex> how do you move around the widgets in kde4?
[02:25] <asdrubal> ATI is ok
[02:25] <peepsalot> asdrubal, you don't use dual monitors do you
[02:25] <RAOF> asdrubal: It might.  Regardless, you need to uninstall the drivers before another driver can do 3D.
[02:25] <Ashex> in the task bar that is
[02:25] <asdrubal> peepsalot nope
[02:25] <ccole0> so does anyone (who is left) have any advice for which driver and xorg.conf I should use for a radeon x300 on a laptop running 8.04 RC?
[02:26] <ccole0> I have serious performance problems
[02:26] <peepsalot> nividia had crappy suspend support to, on my last laptop, it's a miracle it works on my new one
[02:27] <peepsalot> RAOF, is nouveau really stable enough that I can rely on it to work day to day?
[02:27] <RAOF> ccole0: Try moving your xorg.conf away & let X autodetect everything.
[02:27] <RAOF> peepsalot: This is an interesting question :)
[02:27] <icanhas_> ccole0: that's a complicated answer
[02:27] <RAOF> peepsalot: On _my_ laptop, undoubtedly yes.
[02:27] <ccole0> RAOF: ok, I will try that and report back
[02:27] <chuy_max> what package should I install for standard C library?, I try to compile an app with gcc but it tells me math.h and stdio.h don't exist
[02:27] <RAOF> chuy_max: libc6-dev
[02:27] <ccole0> icanhas_, How so?
[02:28] <chuy_max> RAOF, thanks
[02:28] <peepsalot> RAOF, how often are there updates on those packages?
[02:28] <RAOF> peepsalot: I update them pretty much daily.
[02:28] <icanhas_> ccole0: Depending on what exactly your card supports, there are probably 15 xorg edits i can think of for xpress ati cards
[02:28] <peepsalot> RAOF, hmm, if there is a regression, is there any simple way to roll back to previous versoin?
[02:29] <ccole0> icanhas_, hehe... 15 is nice, but I only really need one that doesn't suck... like the one I currently have
[02:29] <RAOF> peepsalot: Kinda, yes; you should have the old packages in /var/cache/apt/archives, which you can install again with dpkg.
[02:29] <peepsalot> ah ok
[02:29] <RAOF> peepsalot: Sadly the PPA doesn't keep any but the most recent.
[02:29] <peepsalot> PPA?
[02:29] <peepsalot> oh, your package repo thing
[02:29] <RAOF> Yeah.
[02:30] <RAOF> ccole0: I'd start with _no_ xorg.conf, and see if that's any better :)
[02:30] <Belboz99> Hey all, anyone here familiar with the ATI 8.4 bug divert clash bug?
[02:30] <ccole0> RAOF, yeah, I will do that.  be back in a few
[02:30] <icanhas_> Belboz99: why are you using 8.4?
[02:31] <Belboz99> icanhas_: because 8.3 has bugs that prevent me from using Wine
[02:31] <sparr> I have debian repositories in my sources.  They are pinned high priority for two packages, negative priority for everything else.  Is there a way that I can  alter that arrangement so that dependencies of the two pinned packages can also be downloaded from debian?
[02:31] <Belboz99> I was hoping 8.4 would resolve them
[02:31] <icanhas_> Belboz99: ouch. sorry. what exactly does this bug do?
[02:31] <Belboz99> dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib32/libGL.so.1 to /usr/X11R6/lib32/fglrx/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib32/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/X11R6/lib32/fglrx/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[02:32] <icanhas_> Belboz99: oh, that. did you install with Envy?
[02:32] <Belboz99> icanhas_: most of the ATI Hardy community has been affected by this
[02:32] <sparr> Belboz99: what package is responsible for ....1 and ....1.2?
[02:32] <Belboz99> icanhas_: nope
[02:32] <icanhas_> Belboz99: odd. if you insist "most" have been affected.. point me to the bug report?
[02:32] <RyanPrior> Firefox 3 Beta 19
[02:33] <Belboz99> here's the weird thing, you can go and remove the clashing diverts, dpkg puts them back in
[02:33] <RAOF> icanhas_: Well, since there's no _supported_ way to get 8.4 any bugs would be marked as invalid :)
[02:33] <icanhas_> RAOF: right. thank you again :P
[02:34] <Belboz99> RAOF: that would explain why the only current bug report was marked "closed" even though it was never resolved :(
[02:34] <keithclark> In Evolution, is there a way to sync with Yahoo Mail and import the entire directory structure created there?
[02:34] <HavNfun> Couple of questions here - What is best all-around CD/DVD burning app for Gnome ? - Also what is best recommended and easiest app to use with an iPod?
[02:34] <peepsalot> RAOF, i don't know package management well enough to install this :-(  it says it's broken because depends on some libdrm2 version
[02:35] <HavNfun> Running Hardy Heron Beta 8.04 w/updates.
[02:35] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: Brasero is probably the best for Gnome - KDE has k3b, the besteset DVD/CD app ever.
[02:35] <RAOF> peepsalot: That libdrm version should be in the PPA as well?
[02:35] <icanhas_> Belboz99: is it possible the answer is finding work around for the issues in 8-3 with wine?
[02:35] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: Rhythmbox and Banshee supposedly both have good support for iPods.
[02:35] <RAOF> peepsalot: Oh, have you just downloaded the .deb?
[02:35] <peepsalot> RAOF, why doesn't it just resolve the depency?
[02:35] <Belboz99> icanhas_: the 8.3 issue is pretty nasty, mostly involving memory addresses
[02:35] <HavNfun> Running Gnome desktop only - KDE - maybe later - as of now happy w/gnome.
[02:35] <peepsalot> RAOF, no i edited source.list
[02:36] <peepsalot> and using aptitude
[02:36] <ccole0> nope, video performance is still terible
[02:36] <icanhas_> Belboz99: ouch. and wine is absolutely neccesary for you? because i use wine for a few things with 8-3 with no issues
[02:36] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: give Brasero a try then. It works well for me.
[02:36] <RAOF> peepsalot: Hm.  Can you pastebin the full log?
[02:37] <ccole0> hmmm
[02:37] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: asked a few questions earlier - thx again for help - almost got this tweaked how i want it for now - will defiantly research the Wine you mentioned earlier though.
[02:37] <ccole0> I seem to not have an xorg.conf now... how is that even possible?
[02:37] <RAOF> ccole0: Any joy?
[02:37] <ccole0> no joy
[02:37] <ccole0> the oposite of joy
[02:37] <RAOF> ccole0: Because that's what I asked you to do? :)
[02:38] <ccole0> yeah, but shouldn't it have generated a new one?
[02:38] <RAOF> No, it just autodetects.
[02:38] <ccole0> oh
[02:38] <ccole0> well, it's autodetect is still slow as hell
[02:38] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: luckily, mose apps available for Windows have Free Software equivalents which don't need Wine! Never hesitate to come in and ask for recommendations.
[02:38] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: thx mucho - so much to install - so little time <grin> thx - later on.
[02:38] <RAOF> ccole0: Care to pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[02:38] <ccole0> sure, give me just a sec
[02:39] <Belboz99> icanhas_: not absolutely necessary, I just hate having  to go into Windows to play Games
[02:39] <icanhas_> ccole0: maybe i missed it, what issues are you having exactly?
[02:39] <ccole0> it's pretty big... not sure I should paste it in chat
[02:40] <peepsalot> RAOF, nevermind, i did a upgrade and it is going to install your libdrm2
[02:40] <icanhas_> !paste | ccole0
[02:40] <ubotu> ccole0: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[02:40] <peepsalot> i guess dependencies are not automatically resolved when only an upgrade (as opposed to a new install) is required?
[02:40] <Belboz99> brb, going to restart my GUI
[02:40] <ccole0> icanhas_, My problem is that I have a Radeon x300 mobile card in a laptop and my video performance is unexcusable and barely usable
[02:40] <RAOF> peepsalot: Do you happen to know what nvidia chip your laptop has?
[02:40] <peepsalot> or maybe because your package is untrusted
[02:41] <icanhas_> ccole0: Do you have xgl installed?
[02:41] <RAOF> peepsalot: Possibly.  It works for me :)
[02:41] <ccole0> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63602/
[02:41]  * RAOF _really_ wants to kill Xgl for intrepid.
[02:41] <icanhas_> peepsalot: I could be wrong? but i've fixed dependcy issues with apt-get -f install before
[02:42] <peepsalot> RAOF, glxinfo says: Quadro NVS 140M/PCI/SSE2
[02:42] <RyanPrior> Intrepid really wants to kill Xgl for RAOF.
[02:42] <icanhas_> ccole0: wrong that xorg log, it looks like fglrx isn't even starting.
[02:42] <peepsalot> 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.12
[02:43] <icanhas_> *from
[02:43] <chuy_max> hi, Im trying to see if my dvd-rw has dma enabled, but hdparm tells me there is an inappropriate ioctl for device, any ideas? http://pastebin.ca/989024
[02:43] <ccole0> icanhas_, that was Xorg.0.log.   Is there another one?
[02:43] <icanhas_> ccole0: no, what i'm saying is your video is probabaly crap because you're using the open source driver with an Xpress card. bad idea generally
[02:44] <crdlb> icanhas_: that's not an Xpress card
[02:44] <crdlb> X != Xpress
[02:44] <icanhas_> crdlb: er, mobile laptop card.. not the same thing?
[02:44] <crdlb> Xpress chips are integrated with the motherboard
[02:44] <crdlb> icanhas_: not at all
[02:44] <ccole0> icanhas_, I have tried using the ATI driver too, in fact I was before RAOF asked me to mov my xorg.conf and the performance was carp then too
[02:44] <RAOF> ccole0: That log looked pretty much fine to me.
[02:44] <peepsalot> man, i get a crapload of parse errors from aptitude when upgrading sun-java6-jdk
[02:45] <Fritzel> RAOF: a few days ago you mentioned that the freezing of almost all graphics (except the mouse) was related to a bug in the nvidia drivers when related to SMP enabled kernels, if I wanted to disable SMP how would I go about doing that?
[02:45] <icanhas_> crdlb: *sigh* sorry, i'll change my terminology next time :P
[02:45] <crdlb> icanhas_: there's a _really_ big difference ;)
[02:45] <icanhas_> ccole0: i didn't catch your answer last time, do you have xgl installed?
[02:45] <icanhas_> crdlb: you're right :)
[02:45] <RAOF> peepsalot: Hm.  Your card might be an nv5x, which isn't well supported by nouveau at the moment (I'm not sure how well it will work).  Sorry, I should've asked this first.
[02:46] <crdlb> ccole0: when you say video, you mean video playback in a video player?
[02:46] <ccole0> icanhas_, I think so.  How can I double check?
[02:46] <RAOF> ccole0: "sudo aptitude purge xserver-xgl" should do nothing :)
[02:46] <crdlb> ccole0: xvinfo | grep -i xgl
[02:46] <icanhas_> ccole0: Well crdlb is going to make a rational suggestion. if i ask you to uninstall it he'll hit me
[02:47] <RAOF> ccole0: With the added bonus that if it _is_ installed, you'll remove it.  Which is what you want to happen :)
[02:47] <RAOF> Fritzel: You'd pass "nosmp" to the kernel from the grub boot menu.
[02:47] <ccole0> crdlb, I mean everything on the screen is slow.  scrolling webpages, is pittifly slow, video play back is awful, etc
[02:47] <icanhas_> RAOF: A man after my own heart.
[02:47] <crdlb> ccole0: Xgl would explain that
[02:47] <peepsalot> RAOF, http://pastebin.ca/989-31
[02:47] <icanhas_> ccole0: Hey, you have xgl installed, congrats.
[02:47] <crdlb> Xgl + radeon is _never_ a good idea
[02:47] <peepsalot> RAOF, sorry http://pastebin.ca/989031
[02:48] <Fritzel> ahh it's that simple? excellent thank you
[02:48] <RAOF> Fritzel: Alternatively, I think you can "echo 0 > /sys/cpu/somewtihng/enabled" or somesuch to do it at runtime.
[02:48] <ccole0> The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:
[02:48] <ccole0>   gcc-3.3-base libflashsupport libglitz-glx1 libglitz1 libstdc++5
[02:48] <ccole0> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[02:48] <ccole0>   xserver-xgl{p}
[02:48] <icanhas_> crdlb: xgl + anything - compiz = never a good idea
[02:48] <icanhas_> ccole0: just hit yes, restart x, and be happy
[02:48] <crdlb> icanhas_: minu compiz?
[02:48] <ccole0> done, I guess I should restart
[02:48] <RAOF> Fritzel: Yeah.  Of course, you'll lose 75% of your computing capacity :(
[02:48] <ccole0> brb
[02:48] <icanhas_> crdlb: xgl runs like crap without compiz started. you should know that.
[02:48] <RAOF> ccole0: Or just logout.
[02:48] <Fritzel> RAOF: if I do it at runtime do I just need a specific value to re-enable it (such as number of cores) or just a true value?
[02:49] <RAOF> icanhas_: Only on crap drivers :)
[02:49] <crdlb> icanhas_: only with fglrx
[02:49] <Belboz99> icanhas_: this is my Wine output from attempting to play Oblivion if you have a chance:
[02:49] <Belboz99> http://rafb.net/p/YVutml22.html
[02:49]  * icanhas_ jabs himself in the eyes
[02:49] <RAOF> Fritzel: You'd stick `1` in each of the CPUs you want enabled.
[02:49] <icanhas_> crdlb: RAOF: ok i'm done. no more crappy advice from me :P
[02:49] <Fritzel> RAOF: ahh ok I see thank you
[02:50] <RAOF> icanhas_: You're very welcome to continue to suggest against Xgl, though :)
[02:50] <icanhas_> RAOF: every chance i get, when no one is looking ;)
[02:50] <RAOF> peepsalot: Any particular reason you're trying to install the -12 kernel module?  The current kernel is -16.
[02:50] <Fritzel> are changes to the grub boot menu at runtime (actively booting, not up and running) perminant?
[02:50] <peeps[work]> ok, will be easier for me to paste from this computer
[02:50] <RAOF> Fritzel: No, just for that boot.
[02:51] <RAOF> peepsalot: :)
[02:51] <Fritzel> RAOF: alright thanks, you're a great help as always
[02:51] <peeps[work]> RAOF, that's what uname -a tells me
[02:51] <peeps[work]> 64bit
[02:51] <ccole0> I just want to say that I love you guys
[02:51] <ferric84> what time are the RCs usually released?  morning, afternoon?
[02:52] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Hm.  You might want to update - the latest kernel is 2.6.24-16-generic (or -rt, I build modules for that too).
[02:52] <icanhas_> ccole0: no, don't love us, just hate xgl :D
[02:52] <peeps[work]> RAOF, what is rt for?
[02:52] <ccole0> and I am not just saying that because I am one of those I-love-you-drunks
[02:52] <RAOF> peeps[work]: RealTime.  It's got the various realtime patches applied.
[02:52] <peeps[work]> RAOF, ok, well i just update a minute ago, I guess I need to reboot?
[02:53] <RAOF> peeps[work]: I suppose so, yes.
[02:53] <peeps[work]> RAOF, but i don't tink that will fix the dependency issue that I pasted?
[02:53] <RAOF> peeps[work]: you haven't actually installed nouveau yet, have you?
[02:53] <ccole0> ok, this is completely extra... but is it at all possible that I can get effects (compiz) to work for shit on this card too?
[02:53] <peeps[work]> RAOF, that's what I'm TRYING to do!
[02:53] <RAOF> ccole0: Should work fine now.
[02:53] <crdlb> ccole0: language please
[02:54] <crdlb> RAOF: except for the great ATI laptop blacklist :/
[02:54] <ccole0> err... sorry... for poo-poo
[02:54] <RAOF> peeps[work]: What you'd want to do is install the 'linux-nouveau-modules-2.6.24-16-generic' package.
[02:54] <icanhas_> ccole0: er, yes, but it doesn't work right this second. but it's very possible ) that isn't a _terrible_ card
[02:54] <crdlb> icanhas_: it doesn't work?
[02:54] <croddy> so, is RC happening?
[02:54] <crdlb> ccole0: try: SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace
[02:54] <RAOF> peeps[work]: You're only going to be able to install the modules for the latest kernel; I haven't yet done the packaging voodoo which will make this better.
[02:56] <ccole0> eh... nope, that is bad... really bad permance.  Lookes like I am not using the restricted driver.  should I do something to force that?
[02:56] <peeps[work]> RAOF, ok, i will reboot and try again.  i guess the kernel being updated daily at this point?
[02:56] <RAOF> peeps[work]: No, not at all.
[02:56] <icanhas_> crdlb: Why WOULD it work? did you look at his xorg log?
[02:56] <crdlb> icanhas_: what's wrong with it?
[02:56] <icanhas_> crdlb: ... obviously i'm wrong, so i'm not even going to bother.
[02:57] <peeps[work]> RAOF, well, i only installed ubuntu on this computer yesterday...
[02:57] <RAOF> peeps[work]: The -16 kernel has been out for quite a while.  At least a couple of weeks.
[02:57] <peeps[work]> guh?
[02:57] <ccole0> I should remind you, that I still do not have an Xorg.conf
[02:57] <peeps[work]> then something is amiss
[02:57] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Aaah.  Maybe using one of the alpha/beta discs?
[02:57] <crdlb> icanhas_: maybe I'm missing something; it's a poorly supported card, but it should at least work to some degree
[02:57] <travisat> the -16-general is broken for me
[02:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> gotta love infighting between multiple people who are trying to help
[02:57] <crdlb> ccole0: what does: glxinfo | grep direct
[02:57] <peeps[work]> RAOF,  i used a beta disc, but I thought i already updated everything once
[02:57] <crdlb> say?
[02:58] <RAOF> peeps[work]: How did you update (and it _should_ have pulled in the -16 kernel).
[02:58] <ccole0> crdlb, direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[02:58] <peeps[work]> RAOF, aptitude upgrade
[02:58] <icanhas_> crdlb: that's why ;)
[02:58] <crdlb> icanhas_: no
[02:58] <RAOF> ccole0: Oh, you've still got fglrx installed, haven't you :)
[02:58] <icanhas_> crdlb: how is that not why?
[02:58] <crdlb> icanhas_: the log says direct rendering enabled
[02:58] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Ah.  that won't pull in _new_ package.  What you wanted was "aptitude full-upgrade".
[02:58] <crdlb> so what did you see in the log that was negative?
[02:58] <ccole0> it's installed, but as I don't have an Xorg.conf, I am not sure how to disable it
[02:59] <icanhas_> crdlb: obviously i misread the dri, i thought it said otherwise
[02:59] <crdlb> ccole0: it's not a case of needing to disable it
[02:59] <peeps[work]> RAOF, what is the difference?
[02:59] <ccole0> ok
[02:59] <peeps[work]> RAOF, but I see -16 in apt-cache actually
[02:59] <RAOF> peeps[work]: 'aptitude upgrade' maps to 'aptitude safe-upgrade', which will update packages already installed but _won't_ install new packages.
[02:59] <peeps[work]> i don't know, i'm confused
[02:59] <crdlb> ccole0: please pastebin the output of: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo
[03:00] <RAOF> peeps[work]: 'aptitude full-upgrade' will install new packages as well.  Such as when we update the 'linux' metapackage to depend on the -16 kernel, rather than the -12 kernel :)
[03:00] <peeps[work]> RAOF, oh, and linux kernels are always new pacakges i guess
[03:00] <pen> is there a way to stream media with mplayer without reconnecting?
[03:00] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Yes, so we can have multiple kernel packages installed at the same time.
[03:00] <pen> I use mplayer to stream wmv content, but it is not stable
[03:00] <RAOF> crdlb: Does fglrx still kill 3d for everything that isn't fglrx?
[03:00] <crdlb> RAOF: I don't know
[03:00] <crdlb> which is why I'm taking the slow route :)
[03:00] <pen> I can't watch the video from beginning to end, it will stop in the middle and start from beginning again
[03:01] <RAOF> crdlb: Given it still diverts libgl, I'd guess the answer is 'yes' :)
[03:01] <pen> is there an alternatives to mplayer streaming?
[03:01] <crdlb> RAOF: it does? :<
[03:01] <pen> or is there any way to improve it?
[03:01] <crdlb> RAOF: debian's fglrx-driver package doesn't
[03:01] <Niriven> Will release include kernel 2.6.25? The beta b43 driver does *not* support my wireless card. Previous versions used bcm4311, but b43 is buggy, and fixed in the latest kernel.
[03:01] <ccole0> crdlb, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63604/
[03:01] <crdlb> they install the libgl separately now (so it's optional)
[03:01] <RAOF> crdlb: Apparently, yes.  At least someone was complaining about conflicting dpkg-diverts for libgl.
[03:01] <peeps[work]> ok, BRB guys
[03:01] <ccole0> segfaults are bad, right?
[03:02] <icanhas_> ccole0: apparently the worst thing evar
[03:02] <ccole0> hehe
[03:02] <RAOF> crdlb: Oh, so it's going to depend on _how_ they've installed fglrx.  Man, that's going to be more fun than a whole barrel full of barrels of monkeys!
[03:02] <icanhas_> crdlb: why aren't we suggesting fglrx for him again?
[03:02] <crdlb> icanhas_: because it's the devil?
[03:02] <icanhas_> crdlb: but it works.
[03:02] <crdlb> ccole0: sudo apt-get --purge remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:02] <crdlb> icanhas_: for _very_ small values of work
[03:02] <icanhas_> crdlb:
[03:03] <icanhas_> crdlb: is there a list somewhere of how much and what cards the open source ati driver supports?
[03:03] <ccole0> crdlb, ok, done... restart?
[03:03] <peepsalot> icanhas_, what about a kernel panic
[03:03] <RAOF> icanhas_: Basically because it's quicker an easier to get the open source driver to work, and it's less fragile.
[03:04] <crdlb> ccole0: I don't think you need to
[03:04] <crdlb> try glxinfo | grep direct     again
[03:04] <ccole0> direct rendering: Yes
[03:05] <crdlb> yay
[03:05] <crdlb> SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace
[03:05] <ccole0> oh.... sooooooo much better
[03:05] <icanhas_> crdlb: interesting.
[03:05] <crdlb> RAOF: did you know that hardy's compiz-manager doesn't start with radeon on laptops now?
[03:06] <RAOF> crdlb: Yes, I did.  I just wasn't thinking :)
[03:06] <icanhas_> crdlb: how does one distinguish between a card that can run compiz with open source ati and one that cannot?
[03:06] <ccole0> that seems to have fixed my woahs.  everthing is working great now, video wise
[03:06] <peepsalot> RAOF, is randr12 an alternative to xrandr?
[03:07] <crdlb> icanhas_: everything through the r400 can except for the xpress chips
[03:07] <icanhas_> crdlb: like mine ;)
[03:07] <RAOF> peepsalot: xrandr is a command line tool for interacting with XRandR.  It'll use the new 1.2 protocol if available.
[03:08] <crdlb> ccole0: to make compiz always work, you must put SKIP_CHECKS=yes in ~/.config/compiz/compiz-mangaer
[03:08] <crdlb> compiz-manager*
[03:08]  * DanaG still hasn't installed the last nvidia-glx-new update
[03:08] <peepsalot> RAOF, is there a gui app for configuring dual screens, or is it all command line?
[03:09] <peepsalot> (with xrandr)
[03:09] <RAOF> peepsalot: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution :)
[03:09] <ccole0> actually, I just enabled it under appearances.  I already had by passed the black list stuff on 7.10.  I guess it caried over
[03:10] <DG19075> Here's one for the brain trust: I've got Audacity installed. It will record from my soundcard(an SiS7012)but returns this error when I try playing back audio(mostly mp3'S):Error while opening sound device. Please check the output device settings and the project sample rate. Running Hardy. What to do? I have the resticted-extras installed for LAME
[03:10] <RAOF> peepsalot: I'm not sure if you'll have to explicitly turn on the xrandr1.2 support in xorg.conf.
[03:10] <peepsalot> RAOF, oh, do I need to uninstall nvidia-gx *before* installing nouveau?
[03:11] <peepsalot> or does it matter
[03:12] <DG19075> ..and the Audacity version is the 1.3.4-beta in Synaptic
[03:12] <RAOF> peepsalot: My package will automatically remove nvidia-glx.
[03:12]  * peepsalot gasps
[03:12] <peepsalot> heh
[03:12] <RAOF> peepsalot: I Conflict: with nvidia-glx, so apt won't allow you to install it without removing nvidia-glx :)
[03:12]  * DanaG hates how the volume thingy intercepts clicks
[03:12] <peepsalot> RAOF, i should really pay more attention to those apt confirmations :-P
[03:13] <dwidmann> I can't get amarok to start :(
[03:13] <RAOF> peepsalot: Here's the xorg.conf I use with nouveau, if you want it for reference: http://pastebin.ca/989061
[03:14] <peepsalot> RAOF, hmm, i have nvidia-glx-new
[03:14] <peepsalot> so it didn't uninstall that
[03:14]  * DanaG still hasn't decided whether 147dpi will look good.
[03:15] <ccole0> welp, thank you all for you help.  I am out of here
[03:15]  * DanaG goes off to try the Virtualbox OSE edition, since perhaps it won't have the keyboard greediness the non-OSE one is having.
[03:15] <RAOF> peepsalot: It should have uninstalled that.  _I_ use nvidia-glx-new, and it uninstalls that for me.
[03:16] <RAOF> peepsalot: Because the Ubuntu nvidia-glx-new package provides nvidia-glx...
[03:16] <peepsalot> RAOF, well, when I aptitude search nvidia, i see "i"  next to nvidia-glx-new  , and i just installed your -16
[03:17] <Xaroon> hello
[03:17] <Xaroon> hey guys ubuntu 8.04 have a MSI S430 notebook Support ?
[03:17] <peepsalot> RAOF do you think there is an issue with the package?
[03:17] <Xaroon> i will buy it
[03:17] <RAOF> peepsalot: Oh.  You haven't actually installed the *driver* yet :).  You want the 'xserver-xorg-video-nouveau' package.  What you've installed is the kernel modules necessary to use the nouveau driver, not the driver itself :)
[03:17] <peepsalot> ah ok
[03:18] <sammyF_> Cannonical is really sure about the release date?
[03:18] <peepsalot> heh, yeah that did it
[03:18] <IdleOne> sammyF_: yes! but everytime someone asks they are forced to add 1 hour to the release date/time
[03:19] <sammyF_> IdleOne: good ... then I should ask a few times more
[03:19] <bazhang> haha
[03:19] <peepsalot> RAOF, i got a crash report though
[03:19] <IdleOne> sammyF_: yeah but space it out like 20 minutes per questions or so
[03:19] <peepsalot> RAOF is that normal?
[03:19] <sammyF_> it might work well as a clean install, but as update, the beta is in a sorry state somehow
[03:20] <RAOF> peepsalot: Um.  A crash report from installing nouveau?  No, that's not normal.
[03:21] <RAOF> peepsalot: Any interesting terminal output?
[03:21] <peeps[work]> RAOF, Sorry, the package "nvidia-glx-new 169.12+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.34" failed to install or upgrade.
[03:21] <peeps[work]> is the crash report
[03:21] <RAOF> Not My Bug :)
[03:21] <RAOF> That seems safely ignorable.
[03:22] <peeps[work]> i wonder why it thinks it is installing or upgrading
[03:23] <RAOF> peeps[work]: That's possibly an old report that apport has just caught?
[03:23] <peeps[work]> RAOF, http://www.pastebin.ca/989072
[03:23] <peeps[work]> line 32 is the error i guess?
[03:24] <jimmygoon> DanaG, did you post this : http://www.docstoc.com/docs/477695/China-Funny-Pics
[03:24] <DanaG> I don't think so.
[03:25] <peeps[work]> RAOF, so if I ctrl-alt-backspace it should load nouveau now, or I need a full reboot?
[03:25] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Ewww.    You should probably file a bug.
[03:25] <RAOF> peeps[work]: It hasn't actually installed nouveau yet, so neither.
[03:25] <peeps[work]> darn
[03:25] <RAOF> peeps[work]: It's failed to uninstall nvidia-glx-new, so it won't install nouveau until that's fixed.
[03:25] <jimmygoon> DanaG, ok, it says it posted by "DanaG"... I knew I recognized the name at least, didn't know how unique a name it was
[03:25] <RAOF> Ummmm.
[03:26] <DanaG> Not very.
[03:26] <DanaG> I need a better one, but can't think of any good ones.
[03:26] <icanhas_> DanaG: try Ganad
[03:26] <tanner> anyone notice Xorg cpu usage high with compiz enabled?
[03:26] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Um.  Does /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1 not exist?
[03:27] <icanhas_> tanner: do you have xgl? :P
[03:27] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Obviously you need to be more creative in your nicks ;)
[03:27] <HavNfun> Hay There - Anyone recommend an easy to use - simple pics (.jpg) editor and resizer app. ? Gimp is over kill for me - Less complication in in life is at times very acceptable.
[03:27] <peeps[work]> RAOF, there is no lib32, it's lib64
[03:27] <tanner> icanhas_: hopefully not, though it is whatever the default is. (one would hope aiglx would be used...)
[03:27] <icesword> !jpg
[03:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jpg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:28] <icesword> !multimedia
[03:28] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[03:28] <RAOF> peeps[work]: I mean, you're using the AMD64 version of Hardy, right?
[03:28] <peeps[work]> RAOF, yes
[03:28] <icanhas_> tanner: describe "high usage"
[03:28] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Then you should have a lib32 full of juicy 32bit libs.  Or, at least, full of the 32bit nvidia libgl.
[03:29] <tanner> icanhas_: 40-60% when not doing anything.
[03:29] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Can you just try reinstalling nvidia-glx-new?
[03:29] <peeps[work]> RAOF, nope
[03:29] <peeps[work]> ok
[03:29] <icanhas_> tanner: sounds like xgl :P yeah that's pretty bad whatever it is
[03:29] <tanner> icanhas_: simple way to change to aiglx?
[03:30] <jimmygoon> some ati users still have to use xgl don't they
[03:30] <RAOF> jimmygoon: No.
[03:30] <taggie> jimmygoon, happily, no. even on my firegl-mobile
[03:30] <peeps[work]> RAOF, weird, it's there now
[03:30] <RAOF> jimmygoon: Some ATI users might still _want_ to use XGL, but all ATI users should be able to run Compiz on either the 'ati' drivers or on fglrx.
[03:31] <jimmygoon> oh
[03:31] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Heh.  Now removing it will work :)
[03:31] <DanaG> .... except for that sledgehammer-to-drive-a-nail blacklist.
[03:31] <peeps[work]> RAOF, nope, same error
[03:32] <Fraeon_> Dear lord
[03:33] <RAOF> peeps[work]: :(.  Please file a bug.  That shouldn't happen.
[03:33] <Fraeon_> Why would anyone want to use Xgl?
[03:33] <RAOF> Furthermore, it's not _my_ fault :)
[03:33] <RAOF> Fraeon_: To work around driver bugs, basically.
[03:33] <wastrel> my nvidia is being wonky in the current hardy
[03:34] <tanner> anyway to determine if your using xgl or aiglx
[03:37] <sammyF_> I guess I'll ask here :
[03:38] <peeps[work]> RAOF, ther is this bug, but it looks like a slightly different file name? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/36625
[03:38] <icanhas_> tanner: sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xgl
[03:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,Fix released]
[03:38] <icanhas_> tanner: if you don't have it, nothing will happen :)
[03:38] <sammyF_> in the rc.d dirs, the starting numbers state the order in which the scripts are started, right?
[03:39] <tanner> brb
[03:39] <tomd123> so since tomarrows the rc release, will there be tons of updates to already installed systems or if you've been up to date then there will be nothing new?
[03:39] <peeps[work]> RAOF, do you think that is the same issue?
[03:40] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Hm.  Looks like similar, but I don't think it's the same.
[03:40] <wastrel> i hope there's an update that fixes my compiz :]
[03:40] <peeps[work]> it says there are two dupes on it, but I don't see how to look at those dupes
[03:40] <b1n0ry> where can i get the non-beta of 8.04?
[03:40] <IdleOne> tomd123: chances are there wont be many updates
[03:40] <icanhas_> wastrel: what's wrong with your compiz? dare i ask
[03:41] <IdleOne> b1n0ry: www.ubuntu.com on April 24th
[03:41] <woodwizzle> When I try to add tomboy to my panel I get panel encountered an error with "OAFIID:TomboyApplet"
[03:41] <RAOF> peeps[work]: It's in one of the left-hand-side panes.  It's not immediately obvious.
[03:41] <wastrel> it is breaky
[03:41] <b1n0ry> IdleOne:  i meen tonight
[03:41] <b1n0ry> mean
[03:41] <wastrel> freeze, crash, video artifacts
[03:41] <wastrel> not necessarily in that order
[03:41] <b1n0ry> can't wait ;)
[03:41] <IdleOne> b1n0ry: cant download something that does not exist
[03:41] <b1n0ry> i'm impatient
[03:41] <wastrel> when it's working slow, and hangy
[03:41] <icanhas_> wastrel: what card/drivers?
[03:41] <tomd123> b1n0ry: install the rc then, it comes out tomarrow, and help test it while your at it, since you can't wait
[03:42] <DanaG> Any idea what to do about the broken keyboard?
[03:42]  * b1n0ry leaves a note for the inventor of time travel to travel to april 24 2008, download ubuntu 8.04 then deliver it to me tonight
[03:42] <wastrel> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M (rev a1)
[03:42] <DanaG> Oh, host layout is "AltGr DeadKeys"
[03:42] <icanhas_> wastrel: i see.
[03:42] <wastrel> and the nvidia module
[03:42] <tomd123> b1n0ry: lol, somebodies had their caffeine pills today :P
[03:42] <b1n0ry> tomd123: yeah, i have 8.04 beta now, i just need a not-pre-release of xorg so that my ati driver installer can find the version
[03:43] <peeps[work]> RAOF, this one that is a dupe is actually my exact same error i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/144899
[03:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144899 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy] problem with nvidia-glx (dup-of: 36625)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,Fix released]
[03:43] <b1n0ry> tomd123: i just had a large latte with a quad shot, does that count?
[03:43] <tomd123> b1n0ry: yes
[03:43] <icanhas_> b1n0ry: don't tell me you're using Envy
[03:43] <b1n0ry> envy?
[03:43] <icanhas_> good. nevermind then
[03:43] <b1n0ry> lol
[03:43] <peeps[work]> RAOF, i don't really know what to do about it, i don't want to enter another dupe
[03:43] <icanhas_> what "ati driver installer" are you having an issue with? I installed fine multiple ways in multiple stages of 8.04 beta
[03:44] <peeps[work]> RAOF, you think it was wrongfully marked as dupe?
[03:44] <b1n0ry> nah, i just tried to install the last version of ati drivers that support my video card. ati-driver-installer-8.28.8
[03:44] <icanhas_> b1n0ry: thats.. pretty old. what card?
[03:44] <HavNfun> What app would I use for doing a screen capture?
[03:44] <b1n0ry> mobility 9100
[03:44] <b1n0ry> it's the last version that ati released with 9100 support
[03:45] <tomd123> HavNfun: hit the prt sc button on your keyboard ;P
[03:45] <b1n0ry> all the new releases are 9500+
[03:45] <RAOF> peeps[work]: I don't think that's your problem, either - that's talking about *.xlibmesa, whereas yours is just about the unadorned libgl.
[03:45] <b1n0ry> which i inadvertantly installed
[03:45] <RAOF> b1n0ry: Any particular reason why the open-source 'ati' drivers aren't sufficient for you?
[03:46] <icanhas_> b1n0ry: i take it that's different than the 9100 IGP?
[03:46] <b1n0ry> RAOF: no xgl with this card, they detect it as a tungsten mesa card
[03:46] <RAOF> b1n0ry: No, that's the output you _want_.
[03:46] <b1n0ry> icanhas_ probably, knowing ati
[03:46] <b1n0ry> well, then why does every xgl call that i try to make result in a seg fault?
[03:46] <RAOF> b1n0ry: You really _should_ get OpenGL acceleration on that card.  Assuming you haven't installed fglrx, which breaks your 3d.
[03:46] <peeps[work]> RAOF, ugh, sorry, i pasted the wrong one.  the OTHER dupe, has a log with my exact error AFAICT https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/184212
[03:46] <HavNfun> tomd123: How about if I wanted screen-caputure of smaller app or window ope that would just caputure that window only?
[03:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184212 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[nvidia] package nvidia-glx-new 169.07+<IP_ADDRESS>-4.11 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 (dup-of: 36625)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[03:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,Fix released]
[03:46] <RAOF> b1n0ry: Because you've installed fglrx :)
[03:47] <HavNfun> ope
[03:47] <b1n0ry> exactly, though when i enabled compiz before (and it did work) it did bizarre things with my display
[03:47] <HavNfun> open
[03:47] <tomd123> HavNfun: dunno, either edit the image w/ gimp or find a utility in the synaptic
[03:47] <HavNfun> Will go hunting - thx
[03:47] <RAOF> b1n0ry: So, the way to fix this would be to uninstall fglrx, which will unbreak your 3d.
[03:48] <wastrel> you can capture a window with gimp
[03:48] <wastrel> it has a screenshot function
[03:48] <RAOF> b1n0ry: For added bonus points, move your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file somewhere else.
[03:48] <b1n0ry> let me explain "bizarre things"
[03:48] <HavNfun> wastrel: will give a try - thx
[03:48] <wastrel> file > acquire
[03:48] <RAOF> b1n0ry: The answer will still be 'uninstall fglrx', no matter what the symptom :)
[03:49] <HavNfun> ok - great.
[03:49] <RAOF> peeps[work]: So, do you have the supposedly fixed nvidia-glx-new package?  (what does apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new say?)
[03:49] <b1n0ry> my 16:9 display decided to go 4:3 starting at the top-left of the visible screen (pixel 0,0). the "uncovered" area behaved much like when you turn off clipping in half-life and go outside the map.
[03:49] <b1n0ry> RAOF: and that was -without- fglrx
[03:49] <RAOF> b1n0ry: Oh.  How big is this display?
[03:50] <b1n0ry> 1280x800
[03:50] <peeps[work]> RAOF, http://pastebin.ca/989093
[03:50] <b1n0ry> it went to like 1024x800 leaving the right side of the screen in a "void"
[03:50] <RAOF> b1n0ry: Hm.  So not > 2048 in either dimension ;)
[03:50] <woodwizzle> When I try to add tomboy to my panel I get panel encountered an error with "OAFIID:TomboyApplet"
[03:50] <b1n0ry> all white, left "remenants" when i dragged things over it
[03:50] <woodwizzle> i also try running tomboy so it'll show up in the system panel, but it never shows up
[03:51] <RAOF> peeps[work]: I'd reopen that bug, with your dpkg failure output, and adding that apt-cache output.
[03:51] <b1n0ry> it was bizarre, to say the least
[03:51] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Someone has probably mistakenly dropped that change.
[03:52] <RAOF> b1n0ry: Hm.  Sounds like a max-texture-size problem, but I thought your max was 2048.
[03:52] <b1n0ry> i'm just going to go with 7.1 until the release then do an upgrade
[03:52] <b1n0ry> i think i can install the ati proprietary drivers on 7.1
[03:52] <b1n0ry> 10
[03:52] <icanhas_> b1n0ry: good idea, but expect it to take 3 hours
[03:52] <b1n0ry> i've got 15Mbps connection
[03:52] <b1n0ry> does pretty good.
[03:52] <icanhas_> b1n0ry: it's the install, not the download
[03:52] <b1n0ry> ah, no big deal
[03:53] <b1n0ry> they recently updated cable in our area
[03:53] <b1n0ry> 15 Mbps residential cable is pretty cool
[03:54] <DanaG> What's the price?
[03:54] <tomd123> > 100mpbs on university connection is priceless ;P
[03:54] <b1n0ry> DanaG: it's $30/mo for the base 5-7Mbps then $10/mo extra to upgrade to 15Mbps
[03:54] <DanaG> 30 megabytes per second on GbE in Cal Poly computer science lab: drooooool.
[03:54] <icanhas_> psh, just root a 300mbps box. so much better :D
[03:55] <b1n0ry> that's coupled with our digital cable package though, i'm not sure what it would be on its own
[03:55] <peeps[work]> RAOF, never reopened a bug, I just set status back to "New"?
[03:55] <mehal88> I need some help setting up linux to connect to a wireless network
[03:55] <tomd123> icanhas_: the only time I will see a difference would probably be when dvds are involved :D
[03:55] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Yeah, that'd be it.
[03:56] <peeps[work]> RAOF, hmm, this insterface is all wonky, can i not reopen and add attachment at the same time?
[03:56] <tomd123> mehal88: does the computer automatically detect the wireless adapter?
[03:56] <b1n0ry> brb, gonna go burn 7.10 to cd
[03:56] <mehal88> yes
[03:56] <RAOF> peeps[work]: No, you can't :(
[03:56]  * peeps[work] contemplates entering another bug, heh
[03:56] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Well, actually you _can_, just not from that interface.  You could do it by sending an emal to the bug.
[03:56] <mehal88> i am able to connect to a wpa2 network, but i need to connect to a special network with 802.1x security
[03:57] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Just reopen it with a comment & then attach.
[03:57] <wastrel> something about nvidia being buggy?
[03:57] <RAOF> wastrel: Shocking, I know.
[03:58] <wastrel> i have nvidia
[03:58] <mehal88> tomd123: i read a how to for it, but its a bit dated so im not sure if its going to be the same for hardy.
[03:58] <tomd123> ok mehal88, click on the network icon in then taskbar, open up network settings, click on wireless connection, click the properties button, and set it up there
[03:58] <adinc> i"ve no hard drive icons or cdrom icons on my desktop, how can i have them created?
[04:00] <wastrel> adinc: you can set them visible.   gconf-editor  apps > nautilus > desktop
[04:00] <wastrel> also !icons
[04:00] <wastrel> er,
[04:00] <wastrel> !icons
[04:00] <ubotu> Want to see volume/trash icons on the desktop? Go to /apps/nautilus/desktop in gconf-editor (GNOME) or go to http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#showtrash (KDE)
[04:00] <wastrel> heh
[04:00] <tomd123> mehal88: by network settings i meant manual configuration ;P
[04:00] <mehal88> hold on, my wireless is not showing up anymore
[04:00] <mehal88> i was using it earlier... should i restart?
[04:00] <sammyF_> nice .. now I have ALSA working, but not pulseaudio
[04:01] <mehal88> currently there are only two connection names, eth0 and lo
[04:01] <tomd123> mehal88: when in doubt, try restarting, can't hurt :P
[04:01] <adinc> wastrel: thank you very much
[04:02] <spyroboy> Does anyone else have issues installing the grub bootloader?
[04:03] <peeps[work]> RAOF, ok, done with that, so I just gotta wait for it to get fixed now?
[04:03] <b1n0ry> alright, time to install
[04:04] <sammyF_> what could be the cause of pulseaudio loading neither its alsa nor its oss module?
[04:04] <mehal88> yeah, im not sure why it just disappeared, i was using it about 5 hours ago. i am going to restart and hope it comes back
[04:05] <peeps[work]> i read about some effort a while ago to create a totally open hardware graphics card.  anyone know what happened to that, can't remember the that?
[04:05] <peeps[work]> *the name*
[04:05] <RAOF> peeps[work]: I think it was the opengpu, or some such.  I don't know what's happening there.
[04:06] <akniss> ETA for RC?
[04:06] <RAOF> +1
[04:06] <RAOF> akniss: When it's done ;)
[04:06] <DanaG> /me will switch from nvidia to ATI in the summer.
[04:06] <DanaG> After all, even if ATI is still currently crap, at least it's open-source crap now.
[04:07] <DanaG> And the closed ones are also gradually getting at least partly better.
[04:07] <akniss> RAOF: sounds about right....
[04:07] <shirish> hi guys, does anybody if the noveau drivers have been thought to be included for Intrepid Ibex or are they in this one?
[04:08] <mheath> DanaG: Are they really open source?
[04:08] <mheath> DanaG: I didn't think ATI's official drivers were.
[04:08] <RAOF> shirish: I hope they will be, but it depends on factors out of our direct control.
[04:08] <DanaG> They haven't opened the old drivers, but they have opened GPU specs.
[04:08] <DanaG> Look at phoronix for news of such happenings.
[04:08] <RAOF> mheath: fglrx isn't, but they've released specs and helped implement radeonhd.
[04:08] <mheath> DanaG: Yeah, as have NVidia. Their cards are technically fully documented.
[04:09] <DanaG> Do you own any radeonhd-driven cards?  Can you use radeonfb at the same time?
[04:09] <RAOF> mheath: The nouveau guys would _love_ to discuss that with you :)
[04:09] <shirish> noveau is some guys reverse-engineering what's happening.
[04:09] <DanaG> 'you' is anybody.
[04:09] <mheath> It's impossible for either vendor to release fully open-sourced drivers, too.
[04:10] <mheath> They rely on too many patented aglorithms and technologies
[04:10] <shirish> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/
[04:10] <DanaG> Yeah.  At least ATI tells you why, now, for specific parts.
[04:10] <RAOF> mheath: So they say.  But that doesn't matter, because they _can_ not deliberately obstruct the creation of free drivers.  And they can help free drivers along.
[04:10] <shirish> I think I saw some discussion on some mailing list yesterday, ubuntu mailing list but can't find where I had seen it.
[04:10] <DanaG> For example, the UVD thing can't be opened because it also drives DRM functionality for Windows.
[04:11] <RAOF> shirish: As I say, out of our hands.  It basically requires some new kernel interfaces which aren't yet stable.
[04:12] <RAOF> shirish: I *hope* it will replace nv, or at least be the defalt driver, in Intrepid, because it's so much better than nv.
[04:12] <shirish> ROAF: now I remember, it seems some part of it is going into 2.6.25.x
[04:12] <RAOF> shirish: That'd be mmio-trace ;)
[04:12] <shirish> that was what the discussion is about.
[04:12] <shirish> yup, that was what was being talked about mmio-trace
[04:13] <sammyF_> anyone have some knowledge of pulseaudio?
[04:13] <sammyF_> please?
[04:13] <shirish> RAOF: can you point me to some link where it gives more details about mmio-trace and how it may help us (the user as well as developer)
[04:13] <RAOF> shirish: Which is only related to nouveau in that one of the nouveau devs wrote it so that they could reverse-engineer the nvidia cards.
[04:13] <DanaG> !ask
[04:13] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[04:13] <sammyF_> DanaG: I did, nobody answered :P
[04:13] <RAOF> shirish: It doesn't help users at all.  It's strictly a reverse-engineering tool.
[04:14] <DanaG> !anybody
[04:14] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:14] <USN1520> sammyF: sorry can't help you there
[04:14] <RAOF> shirish: Ok, it could also be used for some seriously low-level debugging, too, I suppose.
[04:14] <sammyF_> DanaG: I can use OSS and Alsa, but Pulseaudio won't produce any sound. I *HAVE* to use OSS4 for output, and it worked in conjunction with pulseaudio without problems in 7.10.
[04:14] <shirish> RAOF: from what I understand people basically run some tools, and they are supposed to give some data back, this is where the developers hack and find how things can run better. Am I correct in assumption.
[04:15] <sammyF_> DanaG: sorry ... wasn't targeted at you .. forgot to delete your name
[04:15] <DanaG> Hmm, I think PulseAudio may not work with oss4.
[04:15] <DanaG> At least, it didn't get along when I tried it.
[04:15] <sammyF_> (and I already asked a bit over half an hour ago)
[04:15] <sammyF_> DanaG: well .. it worked in 7.10.
[04:15] <DanaG> I can't actually use oss4, because it just hard-locks on my PC.
[04:16] <DanaG> Odd.
[04:16] <RAOF> shirish: Yes, that's about it.
[04:16] <sammyF_> yep
[04:16] <sammyF_> and with a Creative X-Fi I don' have much choice
[04:16] <peeps[work]> what would be the best/simplest way to copy a home directory on one computer over to a new one
[04:16] <wastrel> peeps[work]: rsync <3
[04:17] <RAOF> peeps[work]: And remember: `*` does _not_ match .config directories :(
[04:17] <peeps[work]> then what does??
[04:17] <shirish> RAOF: now I remember, this is what I read http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Nouveau_Companion_38
[04:17] <RAOF> peeps[work]: So, the total command would be something like rsync -avz /home/username hostname:/where/it/wants/to/go
[04:18] <RAOF> peeps[work]: You just specify the directory as /home/username, rather than trying /home/username/*
[04:18] <peeps[work]> i already tried samba(doesn't allow access to .configs) and copying to/from DVD(makes everything readonly)
[04:18] <RAOF> rsync will do what you want.
[04:19] <RAOF> It'll preserve all sorts of fun stuff (permissions, access times, etc)
[04:21] <mehal88> i am not sure how to set up the connection from the manual connection settings
[04:22] <tomd123> does anyone know what time the rc is supposed to be released tomarrow? I might be able to get it in one of my classes
[04:24] <mehal88> rc is coming out tomorrow?
[04:24] <tomd123> tomarrow is friday, right?
[04:24] <jblack> yah
[04:25] <tomd123> isn't the rc going to be released on friday?
[04:26] <tomd123> or was I misinformed?
[04:26] <Flannel> tomd123: RC was delayed a day, should be released tomorrow, but thats not for sure.
[04:28] <iMatter> Im having trouble with my USB Device
[04:28] <iMatter> the old USB Cord was bad so i bought a new one
[04:28] <iMatter> but ubuntu still isnt seeing it but in the dmseg i see
[04:29] <iMatter> [ 1517.247813] usb 3-1: new high speed USB device u
[04:29] <iMatter> [ 1517.247813] usb 3-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 56
[04:29] <Zambezi> Can anyone here do me a huge favour and port a packages from Gutsy to Hardy? Or other way I need to reinstall full system.
[04:29] <iMatter> with diffrent addresses
[04:29] <mehal88> okay, i think ive noticed something recently, but i just want to make sure of it. with hardy, do we no longer have to force mount ntfs drives that have been disconnected from windows machines?
[04:29] <Fritzel> can anyone see any reason why I would get "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'Ubuntu804'." when I am following the instructions  here: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/ except using hardy directions were followed to the letter except in step 9 where ubuntu710 was replaced with Ubuntu804
[04:29] <iMatter> im not trying to install Ubuntu on USB drive
[04:30] <icanhas_> mehal88: no, you still have to force mount.
[04:30] <conformer> does anyone elses emerald themes not work?
[04:31] <mehal88> oh okay. it just seems like its been working without it recently. so i thought that hardy was doing it natively
[04:31] <conformer> my emerald themes haven't been working for months. is anyone else having that problem?
[04:33] <conformer> i thought it was a hardy problem, but it still hasn't been fixed, and the release date is coming up fast
[04:33] <Fritzel> nevermind I got it mounted
[04:33] <icanhas_> mehal88: i doubt they would ever "force mount" what's more than likely a windows drive, that's asking for trouble lol
[04:33] <peeps[work]> RAOF, will rsync work the same if I do a "pull", instead of a "push" ?
[04:34] <peeps[work]> i mean, run the command from the desitnation computer
[04:34] <conformer> so everyone elses emerald themes are working?
[04:36] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Yes, it would.
[04:36] <peeps[work]> it will still compress properly and whatnot?
[04:36] <RAOF> peeps[work]: It's symmetric.
[04:36] <lup0> conformer: does running emerald --replace fix them for you?
[04:36] <Fritzel> I'm about to reinstall, when I do that, what's the proper way to activite the nvidia drivers the first time? through jockey?
[04:36] <RAOF> peeps[work]: That depends on whether or not you've got rsync installed on the other end.
[04:36] <wastrel> what's jockey?
[04:37] <conformer> haven't tried it yet
[04:37] <conformer> ill do that now
[04:37] <mehal88> well im not referring to windows drives, i have external hard drives that used to have to be force mounted when i would switch from windows to ubuntu, but i dont seem to have to do that anymore
[04:37] <lup0> conformer: emerald crashes for me sometimes and running emerald --replace fixes them
[04:37] <mehal88> and its the same for flash driver
[04:37] <mehal88> drives
[04:37] <conformer> k sweet. i'll try it
[04:38] <RAOF> wastrel: jockey is the new, improved, less-ubuntu-specific restricted-manager.
[04:38] <conformer> awesome
[04:38] <Zambezi> wastrel: Prop drivers for like videocards.
[04:38] <conformer> it worked
[04:38] <peeps[work]> hmm, sending at 600KB/s, seems slow
[04:38] <conformer> thanks lup0
[04:38] <lup0> conformer: np
[04:38] <RAOF> peeps[work]: That's likely to be ssh.  SSH is often kinda slow :(
[04:38] <wastrel> do i have that on my hardy?
[04:39] <peeps[work]> RAOF, not using full CPU though
[04:39] <Zambezi> wastrel: Jockey? Most likely.
[04:39] <RAOF> peeps[work]: IIRC there's network issues which are the bottleneck, not necessarily CPU.
[04:39] <peeps[work]> it is over wireless however...
[04:39] <peeps[work]> but 600KB is a lot less than 54mB
[04:39] <peeps[work]> er, Mb
[04:40] <Zambezi> peeps[work]: Better to be safe or?
[04:42] <peeps[work]> I prob should have at least plugged in both laptops to the network before starting this though
[04:42] <RAOF> peeps[work]: That would have probably been faster, yes.
[04:43] <peepsalot> for some reason I thought the hard drive would be the bottleneck
[04:43] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Since that 54Mb of theoretical maximum is shared between the two systems :)
[04:43] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Hard drives are _fast_.
[04:44] <DanaG> I've used gigabit ethernet and gotten 30 megabytes per second from mirrors.kernel.org before.
[04:44] <RAOF> Even slow laptop hdds can do ~50Mbyte/sec sustained read, which is approximately 8 times faster than the theoretical maximum wireless 54Mbit/sec.
[04:44] <peepsalot> doh, at this rate it will take ~2.7hrs to transfer all 6GB
[04:45] <peepsalot> RAOF, yeah i think i forgot to account for the small b in 54Mb
[04:46] <RAOF> peepsalot: Plug in the laptops.  rsync will only transfer the stuff that hasn't yet been transferred :)
[04:46] <DanaG> That 30 I got was from mirrors.kernel.org, which is probably usually heavily loaded.
[04:46] <DanaG> And this was over the "Internet2" thingy.
[04:46] <peepsalot> RAOF, hmm, ok should I just ctrl-c it?
[04:46] <RAOF> peepsalot: Yup.
[04:47] <Finnish_> Any news on coming update?
[04:47]  * DanaG is running his CPU at -1.#J GHz.
[04:48] <DanaG> At least, that's what RMClock in VirtualBox says.  :P
[04:49] <peepsalot> RAOF, woot, 6.6MB/s now we're talkin!
[04:51] <peepsalot> lol DanaG
[04:53] <Krzzzz> hello folks
[04:54] <iMatter> Sorry internet problems back
[04:54] <iMatter> Ubuntu still doesnt see my USB drives
[04:54] <iMatter> it detects the USB 2.0 Highspeed thing
[04:54] <iMatter> and such
[04:55] <iMatter> could anyone help?
[04:56] <icanhas_> iMatter: they don't show up in /dev?
[04:56] <iMatter> i see usb something /dev
[04:56] <iMatter> second
[04:56] <Krzzzz> fun stuff
[04:56] <Krzzzz> hehe
[04:56] <icanhas_> iMatter: what, like /dev/usb0?
[04:57] <Krzzzz> what ubuntu are you on
[04:57] <Krzzzz> ?
[04:57] <icanhas_> iMatter: generally speaking, usb drives should be seen as sb*, i believe. it's possible it's just not mounting because of something. doesn't say anything about a mount in your dmesg?
[04:57] <iMatter> usbdev1.1_ep00 usbdev1.1_ep81 usbdev2.1_ep00 usbdev2.1_ep81 usbdev3.1_ep00 usbdev3.1_ep81
[04:57] <iMatter> also in dmseg
[04:58] <iMatter> [ 3020.345363] usb 3-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 102
[04:58] <iMatter> with diffrent address numbers
[04:58] <icanhas_> brb
[04:58] <Krzzzz> so imatter what ubuntu do you have
[04:58] <Krzzzz> ?
[04:58] <Krzzzz> 8.04
[04:58] <iMatter> Yea
[04:58] <Krzzzz> what kinda MOBO you have
[04:59] <Krzzzz> asus?
[04:59] <iMatter> Toshiba
[04:59] <Krzzzz> k
[04:59] <iMatter> at one point it worked...
[04:59] <Krzzzz> k
[04:59] <iMatter> but i tried booting OS off of it
[04:59] <iMatter> that killed to cord
[04:59] <iMatter> so i got a new one
[05:00] <iMatter> i see this also around the new usb thing audit(1208481393.105:7): avc:  denied  { write } for  pid=30258 comm="nautilus" name="fd" dev=proc ino=53310 scontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t tcontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t tclass=dir
[05:00] <Krzzzz> that kille to cord?
[05:00] <Bjbbop> what does it mean ubuntu+1
[05:00] <iMatter> i think booting an OS off of the USB HDD
[05:00] <gunashekar> !topic
[05:00] <iMatter> the cord wasnt strong enough :/
[05:00] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[05:00] <Krzzzz> k
[05:00] <Krzzzz> had you done any updates lately
[05:00] <Krzzzz> ?
[05:00] <iMatter> yea...
[05:00] <Krzzzz> cuz my 8.04 went nits
[05:00] <Krzzzz> nuts
[05:01] <Krzzzz> k
[05:01] <Krzzzz> what linux image are u on right now
[05:01] <Krzzzz> ?
[05:02] <iMatter> -15-generic
[05:02] <Krzzzz> k
[05:02] <Krzzzz> theres a 16-generic now
[05:02] <Krzzzz> that might solve ur issues
[05:02] <iMatter> :/ well it may be the kernal...
[05:03] <iMatter> because it was back in -12-generic that it was working
[05:03] <Krzzzz> hehe
[05:03] <iMatter> i havent updated again because it says partial upgrade
[05:03] <Krzzzz> install both the kernel and header files for generic-16
[05:03] <iMatter> well i guess i will anyways
[05:03] <Krzzzz> sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[05:03] <Krzzzz> and dbus restart
[05:04] <iMatter> it comes up as Distribution Upgrade??
[05:04] <Krzzzz> some times them updates might give issues like that
[05:04] <Krzzzz> yes
[05:04] <iMatter> :?
[05:04] <Krzzzz> open synaptics
[05:04] <iMatter> ;/
[05:04] <Krzzzz> search for linux-
[05:06] <Krzzzz> install Linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic
[05:06] <Krzzzz> and the corresponidng linux image that goes with it
[05:06] <Zambezi> Krzzzz: No uppercase in names.
[05:06] <Krzzzz> oh right
[05:06] <Krzzzz> hehe
[05:07] <Zambezi> That took awhile to get used to. Same with: file with space. ;-)
[05:07] <Krzzzz> hehe
[05:07] <Krzzzz> hey zam
[05:08] <Krzzzz> i got a good interesting question
[05:08] <Zambezi> Yes?
[05:08] <Krzzzz> ever noticed the difference in speed
[05:08] <Krzzzz> in the root account? as opposed to the regular user account?
[05:08] <Krzzzz> app opening and stuff
[05:08] <Krzzzz> and internet speed
[05:08] <Zambezi> I never use root.
[05:09] <Krzzzz> u should check it out
[05:09] <Flannel> Krzzzz: You shouldn't really log in as root, let alone a GUI as root.
[05:09] <Krzzzz> just for admin purposes
[05:09] <axisys> !virtualbox
[05:09] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[05:09] <Flannel> Krzzzz: thats what sudo is for.
[05:09] <Krzzzz> the speed diff is ridiculous
[05:09] <mheath> Hmmm
[05:09] <Krzzzz> thats not the point im trying to put forth
[05:09] <mheath> I can't get open-office.org to find my java runtime environment
[05:10] <mheath> Is there a  reason it doesn't like the path /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre ?
[05:10] <Zambezi> Sorry to ask again, but can anyone here port a package or build form deb? I don't want to reinstall just for three days work.
[05:10] <r0bby> is anybody noticing that displayconfig-gtk isn't saving the resolution information (ie not using the max. resolution) when doing dual monitors
[05:10] <Krzzzz> the root account in GUi is way faster than the regular account
[05:10] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, You certainly shouldn't be using root with a browser
[05:11] <r0bby> root shouldn't be used period
[05:11] <Krzzzz> dude
[05:11] <Zambezi> Krzzzz: There's a reason it's inactivated by default.
[05:11] <Krzzzz> i got a good question
[05:11] <Flannel> Krzzzz: turn off the auxiliary stuff in your regular user account.
[05:11] <r0bby> sudo
[05:11] <Krzzzz> this is ubuntu+1 correct?
[05:11] <r0bby> yes.
[05:11] <Krzzzz> meaning developing and testing
[05:11] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, It's likely because the root account has a lighter weight theme
[05:11] <Krzzzz> so in the mean time u can expect breaks in the os
[05:12] <Krzzzz> i already know why the account is disabled
[05:12] <Krzzzz> if you do happen to experiment
[05:12] <Flannel> !enter | Krzzzz
[05:12] <Krzzzz> even with the themes being the same
[05:12] <ubotu> Krzzzz: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:12] <iiMatter> still got connection issues
[05:12] <iiMatter> sorry
[05:13] <Krzzzz> sup matter
[05:13] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, I don't notice a difference, is there a specific application that you think demonstrates the difference well?
[05:13] <iiMatter> what did you say to install
[05:13] <Krzzzz> firefox for example
[05:13] <Krzzzz> install Linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic
[05:13] <Zambezi> Krzzzz: Lover case. ;-)
[05:14] <Krzzzz> oh yeah
[05:14] <Krzzzz> hehe
[05:14] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, Do you use any plugins in firefox?
[05:14] <Krzzzz> gosh so much naggin in here
[05:14] <iiMatter> and linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic?
[05:14] <Krzzzz> i made sure they both have the same
[05:14] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, Including ubufox?
[05:14] <Krzzzz> in the root gui as opposed to the standard account
[05:14] <Krzzzz> yes
[05:14] <peepsalot> you guys used gnome-do?  i'm trying it out for the first time.  I think it's strange when it doesn't recognize something, the only option it gives is to send to pastebin
[05:15] <Krzzzz> takes 2 secs to open firefox as root
[05:15] <Krzzzz> regular account 5 secs
[05:15] <Krzzzz> or more
[05:15] <Krzzzz> and theres all sorts of delays with the regular account
[05:15] <Krzzzz> just doing regular stuff
[05:15] <iiMatter> Krzzzz: linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic too?
[05:15] <Krzzzz> yes
[05:15] <Flannel> Krzzzz: please stop using the enter key as a comma.
[05:16] <Krzzzz> along with the headers
[05:16] <Zambezi> Krzzzz: You know, you can write long sentence in the same message?
[05:16] <iiMatter> ok directly install kernal or not?
[05:16] <Krzzzz> yes
[05:17] <iiMatter> ok just checking was wondering if i just selected linux-image
[05:17] <iiMatter> package says it depends on latest generic one
[05:17] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, Try renaming .mozilla in both accounts, it may be that the database is slowing things down
[05:17] <ToxicSoul> Hey so I'm running into an issue with the 64bit version of 8.04, I boot the install CD, choose install.. I get a console.. so okay, I run startx .. xorg is messed up.. I fix the xorg, run startx.. get the nice new desktop.. but I don't see any install method
[05:18] <iiMatter> Krzzzz: Thanks
[05:18] <HavNfun> Hay There - Put in a DVD movie and Totem came up but would not play movie - gave an error message - running Hardy Heron Beta 8.04 - Any ideas?
[05:18] <iiMatter> BBL if i have more problems
[05:18] <Jordan_U> ToxicSoul, Try "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start" instead of startx
[05:18] <Krzzzz> hey jordan
[05:19] <Krzzzz> that .mozilla weres that located exactly
[05:19] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, In your home folder
[05:19] <Tuv0k> !dvd | HavNfun
[05:19] <ubotu> HavNfun: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[05:19] <HavNfun> Are there some codec's I need to add from synaptics?
[05:20] <Tuv0k> HavNfun, always search synaptic
[05:20] <Krzzzz> so ur saying change .mozilla to another name, it wont affect anything?
[05:20] <ToxicSoul> Jordan_U: thanks it worked, should of thought of that
[05:21] <Jordan_U> ToxicSoul, np
[05:21] <Tuv0k> !info libdvdcss2 hardy
[05:21] <ubotu> Package libdvdcss2 does not exist in hardy
[05:21] <Tuv0k> !info libdvdcss2
[05:22] <HavNfun> TuvOk: What would you suggest for search term?
[05:22] <Tuv0k> dvd?
[05:22] <HavNfun> Codecs?
[05:22] <Tuv0k> either
[05:22] <Tuv0k> totem
[05:22] <Tuv0k> mplayer
[05:22] <HavNfun> gee - being brain dead again - thx
[05:22] <Tuv0k> make sure you have universe and multiverse enabled
[05:23] <Tuv0k> mediabuntu has repos fro hardy as well
[05:23] <Tuv0k> you'll be all set then
[05:23] <HavNfun> TuvOk: Was not aware of this little tidbit - what a help......
[05:23] <Tuv0k> :)
[05:24] <Tuv0k> I love helping
[05:24] <Tuv0k> I want everyone to use linux, and be happy
[05:24] <HavNfun> TuvOK: Will do my share in a few months when up to speed - thx mucho
[05:25] <HavNfun> TuvOk: Well I'm lov'n this Hardy Heron - very nice! Lots of hardware support etc etc
[05:25] <HavNfun> :o)
[05:25] <ToxicSoul> So far Ubuntu 8.04 is running fine in domains setup in several different ways, this is fun =D
[05:25] <Tuv0k> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras hardy
[05:25] <ubotu> ubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 15 (hardy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[05:26] <Tuv0k> HavNfun, make sure you have that ^^^^^^
[05:27] <ToxicSoul> Anyone happen to know how big the hardy repository would be to mirror? I have gutsy (binary only) mirrored locally and it isn't too bad.
[05:27] <HavNfun> TuvOk: the universe and multiverse enabled?
[05:27] <Tuv0k> HavNfun, naturally, but specifically that package I highlighted above
[05:28] <Tuv0k> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras hardy | HavNfun
[05:28] <ubotu> havnfun: ubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 15 (hardy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[05:29] <HavNfun> TuvOk: the mplayer app? - I have that installed already - could run that and see if it works...
[05:29] <HavNfun> It defaulted to totem when putting in dvd movie
[05:29] <Tuv0k> do you not see the package I just highlighted to you?
[05:30] <Zambezi> I saw an interesting thing. My kernels takes up 950 MB. That's pretty much.
[05:30] <HavNfun> tuvOk: Sorry not sure - ?
[05:30] <Tuv0k> HavNfun, scroll up?
[05:30] <HavNfun> what is name?
[05:30] <Tuv0k> its on your screen?
[05:30] <HavNfun> pkg name?
[05:30] <Tuv0k> look up
[05:31] <HavNfun> I saw this "make sure you have that ^^^^^^" this what you are referring to?
[05:31]  * Tuv0k aye
[05:32] <gunashekar> he he
[05:32] <Tuv0k> your trying my patience
[05:32] <gunashekar> ROFLMAO
[05:32] <DanaG> my trying your patience?
[05:32] <DanaG> (I'm not that person, but I just had to respond to that grammar.)
[05:33] <DanaG> !botsnack
[05:33] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[05:33] <gunashekar> ah the original stiff uppa lip
[05:33] <HavNfun> So it doesn't show the pkg name it says " ...you have ^^^^^^"
[05:33] <Tuv0k> DanaG, my grammar was fine, are you dyslexic?
[05:33] <HavNfun> sorry - trying not too....
[05:33] <Tuv0k> :) I know
[05:33] <DanaG> "posessive" trying my patience
[05:34] <Tuv0k> I only spammed the channel with the package and you don't seem to be able to see it?
[05:34] <DanaG> not "you are"
[05:34] <DanaG> Sorry; that misuse of you* bugs me.
[05:34] <mc-george> wasn't rc supposed to be out today?
[05:34] <Tuv0k> DanaG, you are trying my patience, better?
[05:34] <HavNfun> So once again when I scroll up I Do Not se app or pkg name - it reads "^^^^^^" exactly as I typed
[05:35] <DanaG> yeah.    It sounded funny.
[05:37]  * Tuv0k one to beam up!
[05:37] <peepsalot> youse guys is tryings mine patience
[05:37] <DanaG> nice.
[05:37] <gunashekar> hmm
[05:37] <Zambezi> Anyone feeling very happy, generous and unselfice now? I have big problems and I need a solution within an hour or I need to reinstall. I try to compile a sourcecode, but when I enter the path to the kernel, it's says it's not correct kernel, but I'm pretty sure it is.
[05:37] <peepsalot> soryy, patients
[05:38] <Tuv0k> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras hardy | HavNfun
[05:38] <ubotu> havnfun: ubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 15 (hardy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[05:38] <Tuv0k> !patience Zambezi
[05:38] <Tuv0k> !patience
[05:38] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:38] <ToxicSoul> Zambezi: did you not back up the old kernel?.. if not just copy off of the live cd
[05:39] <Zambezi> Tuv0k: Okay, but this issue is related to if I get 300 euros or not so I need a solution asap...
[05:39] <mc-george> Was the release candidate released, or is it delayed?
[05:39] <Tuv0k> there is no asap here bub
[05:39] <HavNfun> TuvOk: So I don't know about you but that about wore my eyes out... Grin sorry being so clutsy - thx
[05:39] <DanaG> Oh, trying to compile an external module?
[05:39] <Zambezi> mc-george: One day I think.
[05:39] <DanaG> You just need linux-headers-generic package.
[05:39] <mc-george> ok thanks
[05:39] <Tuv0k> mc-george, the topic still says beta, thats a huge clue
[05:39] <mc-george> the topic could have been not updated...
[05:40] <Tuv0k> that does not happen here
[05:40] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: It just want to try with the kernel I'm running atm.
[05:40] <Zambezi> mc-george: Not a chance. :-)
[05:40] <ToxicSoul> Zambezi: if you're kernel is 950M you should just start over.
[05:40] <ToxicSoul> Quickest way to do that would be to copy a working kernel back..
[05:41] <Tuv0k> can someone change the topic so people will stop asking about the rc?
[05:41] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: I did say so. I said all my kernel takes 950 MB. ;-)
[05:41] <peepsalot> RAOF, btw, i don't think i ever thanked you for all your help.  so...THANKS
[05:41] <RAOF> peepsalot: Eh, no problem.  If you run across any issues with the nouveau drivers, you can repay the favour by reporting them in #nouveau or on freedesktop,org bugzilla :)
[05:42] <peepsalot> rsync is really awesome, can't believe i went so long without it
[05:42] <Zambezi> DanaG: External yes. I got it built for Hardy, but the guy misread and took the wrong version. :-/
[05:43] <Zambezi> peepsalot: Are you using P to with rsync?
[05:43] <DanaG> What's the issue with compiling?
[05:44] <peepsalot> Zambezi, no, didn't try that
[05:44] <peepsalot> it shows a progress bar or something?
[05:44] <Zambezi> DanaG: Saying it's not the right kernel, then quit. I really don't want to be without IRC, Jabber, MSN for three days (if I reinstall).
[05:45] <Zambezi> peepsalot: Correct.
[05:45] <DanaG> Hmm.  Perhaps it's using the wrong path.
[05:45]  * peepsalot can read manuals!  hehe
[05:45] <ToxicSoul> Why would it take 3 days to reinstall?
[05:45] <DanaG> Some external modules have "KSRC" parameters.  Perhaps look in the Makefile.
[05:45] <Zambezi> DanaG: I tried with more than one, but still same issue.
[05:46] <DanaG> Odd.
[05:46] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: It won't, but I have all the settings on this harddrive and when I disconnect it, I don't have the accountinformation to log in.
[05:47] <ToxicSoul> boot from a live cd and copy the information off?
[05:47] <DanaG> Hmm, what module are you trying to compile?
[05:47] <Zambezi> DanaG: I'm complinging with a script that comes with the program. It's Truecrypt 4.3a (_ not _ 5.1a).
[05:48] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: Can't cause I need to disconnect the DVD too.
[05:48] <DanaG> Aah.  Perhaps dig around in the script to see what it checks for.
[05:48] <ToxicSoul> are you trying to encrypt an entire drive?
[05:48] <Tuv0k> !info  ttf-liberation
[05:48] <ubotu> ttf-liberation (source: liberation-fonts): Free fonts with the same metrics as Times, Arial and Courier. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 1129 kB, installed size 1952 kB
[05:48] <iMatter> Still problems...
[05:48] <Zambezi> DanaG: I have 70 minutes before I need to start. I don't have a minute to spare...
[05:48] <ToxicSoul> !info truecrypt hardy
[05:48] <ubotu> Package truecrypt does not exist in hardy
[05:49] <ToxicSoul> really now.. hmm
[05:49] <DanaG> Hmm.
[05:49] <ToxicSoul> !info truecrypt
[05:49] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: Nah. More like decrypt eight and backup all the content.
[05:49] <DanaG> It may be looking for a deprecated file in the headers tree.
[05:50] <iMatter> Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[05:50] <iMatter> usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[05:50] <iMatter> USB Mass Storage support registered.
[05:50] <DanaG> !paste
[05:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[05:50] <iMatter> DanaG: 3 Lines ;)
[05:50] <Zambezi> DanaG: I have no clue, that's why I asked if someone could give it a shot cause the last thing I want is to reinstall. I have a really short limit.
[05:50] <Fritzel> ok how's this for wierd
[05:51] <Fritzel> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63611/
[05:51] <DanaG> Hmm, try to 'bash -x' the script.
[05:51] <ToxicSoul> I don't get why you need a module for truecrypt..
[05:51] <Zambezi> iMatter: We're allergic here. First sign of massflood and we're on! ;-)
[05:51] <DanaG> That'll print every line it executes.
[05:51] <iMatter> :P
[05:51] <iMatter> Well im having problems with my WD Passport
[05:51] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: Maybe cause eight harddrives is encrypted with it and I want to backup the content before I sell them on Monday? :-P
[05:51] <DanaG> Hopefully you'll be able to see it look for a specific file.
[05:52] <DanaG> Do you have the space elsewhere to dd them raw?
[05:52] <ToxicSoul> Yeah but I've never needed a kernel module for it =\
[05:52] <Bjbbop_> pelo  :()
[05:52] <Bjbbop_> man now i cannot even comeback to my other workplace
[05:52] <iMatter> Ubuntu Doesnt see it....
[05:53] <iMatter> well it doesnt mount the drives
[05:53] <arbeck77> I'm having a weird problem... where occasionally as I type one key gets repeated 7-8x.  I'm not sure if this is a hardy problem, or some weird hardware issue.  It just started happening after the install
[05:53] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: And it takes at least 50 hours to make the backup. And I don't want do use 5.1a cause it's buggy, slow and causes kernelpanics.
[05:53] <DanaG> Zambezi: try to make oldconfig in the headers dir.
[05:53] <DanaG> (It's a random guess.)
[05:54] <Zambezi> DanaG: But it's asking about the specific kernel from uname -r.
[05:54] <DanaG> Well, without having the script itself, I don't know how to help.
[05:54] <Fritzel> Does anyone have any idea what could cause this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63611/
[05:55] <DanaG> The thing I'd do would be to run the script with bash -x, and see what it does right before giving up.
[05:55] <RAOF> Zambezi: And you _do_ have the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed?
[05:55] <Zambezi> DanaG: www.truecrypt.org -> Download -> Old releases.
[05:55] <Lynoure> Zambezi: Do you really need to decrypt before backuping?
[05:55] <mc-george> Hello, every time I reboot, the wireless goes away, and only comes back if I unplug it, plug it back in, and reboot, this is with a trendnet tew-444ub wifi card
[05:55] <DanaG> What version of truecrypt?
[05:55] <Zambezi> RAOF: I guess so cause I have Vbox.
[05:56] <ToxicSoul> Zambezi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=149561 - just follow something like that
[05:56] <Zambezi> Lynoure: Oh yes I do.
[05:56] <Zambezi> DanaG: I need 4.3a.
[05:56] <ToxicSoul> then.. do the same but for 4.3a
[05:56] <RAOF> Zambezi: But we have pre-built kernel modules for vbox.  _Do_ you have linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed?
[05:57] <watters> is rc out yet?
[05:57] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: But it's not working.
[05:57] <Lynoure> Zambezi: Oh, you have the data somewhere so you can rsync backup it faster unencrypted? (sorry, just being curious about why the order matters)
[05:57] <ToxicSoul> whats your uname -a?
[05:57] <Zambezi> RAOF: I think I grabbed it all.
[05:58] <Zambezi> Linux USER 2.6.24-16-386 #1 Thu Apr 10 12:50:06 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:58] <RAOF> Zambezi: You're almost certainly running the wrong kernel, you know.
[05:59] <ToxicSoul> yeah..
[05:59] <DanaG> 386?
[05:59] <Zambezi> I do?
[05:59] <Jordan_U> Lynoure, Not sure if this is his reason, but by information theory a good encryption should produce, on average, a poorly compressible file :)
[06:00] <DanaG> Error: Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/drivers/md/dm.h not found.
[06:00] <RAOF> DanaG, Zambezi; Yeah.  -generic is what you want, almost certainly.
[06:00] <Zambezi> Lynoure: I have the drives befind me.
[06:00] <mc-george> Hello, every time I reboot, the wireless goes away, and only comes back if I unplug it, plug it back in, and reboot, this is with a trendnet tew-444ub wifi card
[06:00] <Lynoure> Jordan_U: Yes, there is that.
[06:00] <ToxicSoul> Its more so if he encrypted the entire volume then (which it seems he did) then he'd have to dd the entire volume which would include "white-space" that couldn't be compressed because white-space encrypted looks like random data
[06:00] <RAOF> DanaG: Heh, good catch.  He doesn't have linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed :)
[06:01] <DanaG> Oddly enough, I do, and I'm getting that error there.
[06:01] <RAOF> DanaG: Oh, really?  Maybe it just doesn't build against the current kernel.
[06:01] <Lynoure> Zambezi: I'm not sure what befind is, but I gues you have your reasons. Good luck with the compile.
[06:01] <DanaG> !find dm.h
[06:01] <ubotu> Found: kdmtheme
[06:01] <ToxicSoul> hmm let me see what it built against for me
[06:02] <DanaG> !find /drivers/md/dm.h
[06:02] <ubotu> No packages matching '/drivers/md/dm.h' could be found
[06:02] <ToxicSoul> Linux labstaff-pc1 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:02] <r00723r0> Hi, why doesn't flash work?
[06:02] <DanaG> !find drivers/md/dm.h
[06:02] <ubotu> No packages matching 'drivers/md/dm.h' could be found
[06:02] <DanaG> Okay, that's odd.
[06:02] <DanaG> That version must be incompatible with -24.
[06:02] <DanaG> !find drivers/md/dm.h gutsy
[06:02] <Zambezi> RAOF: Generetic is installed, but maybe grub choosed wrong during boot.
[06:03] <DanaG> Sounds like you may just have to use the newer version.
[06:03] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: All drives is enirely encrypted.
[06:04] <ToxicSoul> Yeah so my point stands dd'ing them isn't really possible =p
[06:04] <Zambezi> DanaG: The problem is I need to fix this quick.
[06:04] <DanaG> Do you have the Gutsy kernel still around?
[06:04] <Zambezi> DanaG: And you know, quick is not a good thing when you need to solve issues.
[06:04] <Jordan_U> Zambezi, What is the problem you are having?
[06:04] <DanaG> Or if you can install it... download the gusty binary.
[06:05] <Zambezi> DanaG: I got them all.
[06:05] <DanaG> And boot the Gutsy kernel.
[06:05]  * ToxicSoul seems to recall there being a message about not using the beta in production environments
[06:05] <Zambezi> Jordan_U: I can't install a stupid program I need about 50 minutes or I need to install Gutsy for three days work and be without IRC, MSN, Jabber.
[06:05] <Fritzel> when running a binary file, is it passed to any program to launch it? I have a .bin that insists it's not going to execute
[06:06] <Fritzel> nevermidn it started working after installing development files
[06:06] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: I didn't, but my main server broke and I don't have an old computer with SATA. Just this one.
[06:06] <ToxicSoul> wow you're just full of bad luck, lol
[06:07] <r00723r0> So anyone know why Flash doesn't work?
[06:07] <ToxicSoul> flash doesn't work?
[06:07] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: And I have a deadline too. :-P
[06:07] <ToxicSoul> r00723r0: link me to a site with flash =p
[06:07] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: And that's the criticial part.
[06:08] <r00723r0> ToxicSoul, youtube.com
[06:08] <r00723r0> Click on a random featured video.
[06:08] <Zambezi> r00723r0: You got flashplugin-nonfree?
[06:08] <DanaG> Zambezi: Use the Gutsy kernel and the Gusty truecrypt binary on Hardy!
[06:08] <r00723r0> Yes.
[06:09] <Zambezi> DanaG: That sounds way harder then reinstall (on another harddrive).
[06:09] <ToxicSoul> appearently where I'm downloading from is getting hit big time so it'll take a minute or 5.. *sigh*
[06:10] <DanaG> Zambezi: it's actually not that hard, especially if you have the kernel already around.
[06:10] <DanaG> Quicker way:
[06:11] <r00723r0> Zambezi, ToxicSoul, any ideas?
[06:11] <Zambezi> DanaG: Oh. I remember I upgraded from Gutsy so I may have the kernel.
[06:11] <DanaG> s/quicker/another/    back up sources.list, change it to Gusty, install ONLY the kernel, restore it.
[06:11] <Fritzel> what can cause my speakers to crackle at normal volume, making the assumption that my speakers and sound card are fine?
[06:11] <ToxicSoul> :%s/quicker/another/gc <- fixed.
[06:11] <Zambezi> Fritzel: Too high mastervolume?
[06:11] <prakriti> to update packages that are being held back
[06:11] <Jordan_U> Fritzel, Check all of the channels in alsamixer
[06:11] <prakriti> shoudl i do a full-upgrade ?
[06:12] <Zambezi> prakriti: Not if you're unsure.
[06:12] <Fritzel> nothing is showing up as over 81%
[06:13] <DanaG> Zambezi: perhaps look at the package manager to see the kernels.
[06:13] <ToxicSoul> r00723r0: not yet, I'm getting the packages at a nice 80KB/s .. *sigh*
[06:13] <r00723r0> Excellent.
[06:13] <DanaG> And then if it's there, go off and reboot to it!
[06:13] <DanaG> And then install the Gusty truecrypt binaries from the web site.
[06:14] <r00723r0> Everyone, talk less so ToxicSoul could get more usable bandwidth. :)
[06:14] <prakriti> can I read mp3's off of usbdrives?
[06:14] <Zambezi> DanaG: I have an old Gutsy installation probably got a kernel left.
[06:14] <r00723r0> prakriti, yse.
[06:14] <r00723r0> *yes.
[06:14] <prakriti> hahaha
[06:14] <prakriti> sorry
[06:14] <prakriti> wrong channel
[06:14] <prakriti> thought i was on #ps3
[06:14] <r00723r0> Heh.
[06:14] <mehal88> you can
[06:14] <Tuv0k> http://www.iaps.com/2008-server-reliability-survey.html
[06:14] <ToxicSoul> haha talking won't effect the bandwidth, I'm installing on a remote system.. which is on a network that can pull down 10MByte/s easy
[06:14] <mehal88> prakriti: you can
[06:15] <Jordan_U> DanaG, So his problem is that truecrypt is not working since he installed hardy?
[06:15] <r00723r0> ToxicSoul, nah, I'm just playing.
[06:15] <mehal88> you have to hover over the usb drive and then press triangle
[06:15] <DanaG> The old version of TrueCrypt won't compile on the Hardy kernel.
[06:15] <ToxicSoul> however if people want to stop running apt-get upgrade that'd be nice
[06:15] <ToxicSoul> lol
[06:15] <mehal88> and view all or something along those lines
[06:15] <Zambezi> Jordan_U: Correct and I need it working about 40 minutes.
[06:16] <DanaG> So go check your kernel and restricted-module and such lists.
[06:17] <Zambezi> DanaG: Everything is installed, but I need to reboot to genertic, but USB-keyboard won't work so I need to hook up and old one.
[06:17] <DanaG> Reboot to Gutsy generic.
[06:17] <DanaG> Remember that.
[06:17] <DanaG> 2.6.22
[06:17] <Jordan_U> Zambezi, Have you seen this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=647339 ?
[06:17] <ToxicSoul> no usb->ps2 converter?
[06:18] <Zambezi> DanaG: The one that came with Gutsy installation?
[06:18] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: I have an old PS/2 too.
[06:18] <DanaG> That should work.
[06:18] <Zambezi> Jordan_U: It's too old.
[06:19] <Zambezi> I have 5.1a built for Hardy, but 5.1a really is a piece of crap.
[06:19] <Zambezi> I'm waiting 40 minutes, pick up my drives, then decide what to do.
[06:20] <DanaG> Try getting truecrypt loading, first.
[06:20] <r00723r0> ToxicSoul, so, how's it going?
[06:20] <ToxicSoul> r00723r0: just reloaded firefox, waiting on stuff to load
[06:20] <r00723r0> Roger, soldier.
[06:21] <ToxicSoul> yep flash works fine for me =\
[06:21] <r00723r0> :'(
[06:21] <r00723r0> No solution then?
[06:21] <Zambezi> DanaG: I need to send an important mail about an hour before I take any risks.
[06:21] <r00723r0> Any information I can provide?
[06:21] <DanaG> Just booting the old kernel isn't too risky.
[06:21] <ToxicSoul> sure you got the restricted flash and not gnash?
[06:22] <pen> is there a way to set up tor network?
[06:22] <ToxicSoul> and have you completely killed firefox inbetween?
[06:22] <Zambezi> DanaG: Never done that, but if you say so.
[06:24] <r00723r0> ToxicSoul, yes.
[06:24] <Zambezi> Okay. Time to reboot. I'll be back about ten minutes or so.
[06:24] <ToxicSoul> pen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TOR <- should be similar to that, afiak
[06:24] <ToxicSoul> afaik*
[06:24] <pen> ToxicSoul: isn't old?
[06:24] <pen> ToxicSoul: it's not for hardy is it?
[06:25] <r00723r0> ToxicSoul, I had restricted for a while.
[06:25] <r00723r0> So yes.
[06:25] <r00723r0> It has gone through many reboots.
[06:26] <ToxicSoul> pen: repository links are old but in theory the same 'method' should work if they have a new repository
[06:26] <pen> ToxicSoul: I see
[06:26] <ToxicSoul> r00723r0: not sure then, are you running 32 or 64 bit (I've only tested on 64.. but 64 was what had problems in the past.. not 32 =p)
[06:26] <r00723r0> 64bit.
[06:27] <DanaG> !info torify
[06:27] <ToxicSoul> hmm I haven't updated the box from the base install, something else could of broke it maybe, otherwise I'm not sure
[06:27] <ubotu> Package torify does not exist in hardy
[06:27] <DanaG> wraps ANY app to go through it.
[06:29] <r00723r0> ToxicSoul, so... Any suggestions?
[06:29] <ToxicSoul> not unless someone else here has an updated 64bit install to verify whether something else broke it or not
[06:30] <ToxicSoul> wait.. do you also have gnash installed?
[06:30] <ToxicSoul> or did you
[06:30] <r00723r0> No.
[06:31] <ToxicSoul> hm, damn because in the past I've ran into issues with gnash not being removed right and thus the restricted flash not working =(
[06:33] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/+bug/192888
[06:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed]
[06:33] <moshe> anyone encountered a systen lockup from the screensaver?
[06:33] <DanaG> Fix released?  Not really.
[06:34] <Lynoure> moshe: yes, but ages a go. It was because of a 3D screensaver on a totally non-3D friendly system
[06:35] <ToxicSoul> anyone know off of the top of their head how to choose fastest mirror from terminal?
[06:35] <moshe> this just occured twice today with 8.04. there were no errors recorded but had to repower the system to resatore
[06:36] <Daisuke_Ido> ToxicSoul, i choose the highly scientific "eenie-meenie-miney-mo" method, personally.
[06:37] <Zambezi> Okay. No Gutsy-kernel left, but I have sound again. When I try to install 4.3a, it says kernel is incomplete.
[06:38] <DanaG> Hmm.  You can download the debs for the Gutsy kernel.
[06:38] <Zambezi> It also says I'm missing dm.h, but it's there.
[06:38] <DanaG> run with sh -x?
[06:38] <moshe> I was using the 3D screensaver set installed with hardy.compiz is installed and configured.Not sure if this is a reportable bug or just a freak thing
[06:38] <slaytanic> Are there any newer ISOs of hardy to download than the beta?
[06:39] <DanaG> Zambezi: http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/
[06:39] <DanaG> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l
[06:39] <DanaG> Look for linux- stuff.
[06:40] <DanaG> Wow, that site is usually way fast.  Odd.
[06:40] <DanaG> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/
[06:40] <DanaG> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/
[06:41] <DanaG> Kernel stuff is near the bottom.
[06:41] <Zambezi> It's painfully slow and you know my issue. Time is very short an limited now in this matter. I think I install Gutsy instead temporary.
[06:41] <bullgard4> "~$ update-manager; current dist not found in meta-release file." What is a 'meta-release file'?
[06:41] <DanaG> Duude, all you need is the kernel.
[06:42] <DanaG> linux-image linux-headers linux-restricted-modules linux-ubuntu-modules
[06:42] <DanaG> each has a .22 and a .22-X-generic
[06:42] <Zambezi> DanaG: Which version did you say?
[06:42] <DanaG> 2.6.22- and whatever's the latest after the dash.
[06:43] <DanaG> Or if you want the dependencies to be handled automatically, back up sources.list, change it back to gutsy, then use aptitude to update the list and then install ONLY the kernel.
[06:43] <DanaG> Then change it back and update the list again.
[06:43]  * ToxicSoul is timing how long it takes to update a new 8.04 64 bit install
[06:44] <Zambezi> DanaG: Can we take it in PM instead so we won't spam the channel?
[06:45] <DanaG> sure.
[06:45] <DanaG> Lovely quit message.  :(
[06:45] <moshe> well,I will go ahead and file a bug report.Just wanted to throw this one out to the community first
[06:46] <moshe> sounds like he needs to get a life
[06:47] <ToxicSoul> yeah no clue on that.. moshe although I have had my system lock up twice now.. but im running ubuntu in domains so.. if a screen saver is effecting the entire system stability there are definately some issues with it
[06:47] <Zambezi> DanaG: I need to identify first.
[06:48] <DanaG> aah.
[06:48] <moshe> that was my thought.I am using this test platform as a small server and was surprised to encounter this one.Was in the middle of a large iso d/l when it crashed
[06:49] <ToxicSoul> hmm.. I was in the middle of downloading the 64 bit ubuntu iso when it crashed for me =\
[06:49] <moshe> I was 3 hours into solaris d/l for another test platform
[06:50] <ToxicSoul> started a domain.. left it running.. started downloading the iso on the dom0.. came back.. system wouldnt respond entirely
[06:50] <ToxicSoul> 3 hours? =\
[06:50] <prakriti>  arg
[06:50] <ToxicSoul> indiana b2? or.. (just curious)
[06:50] <moshe> 4.3 Gb d/l  bittorrent is a bit slow
[06:50]  * ToxicSoul is running ubuntu inside solaris after all
[06:50] <moshe> yep
[06:51] <ToxicSoul> I had the first beta but there was so many bugs that I had to give up on using it
[06:52] <moshe> I restarted the d/l and have a ways to go but wanted to try to troubleshoot this glitch while I was waiting
[06:53] <moshe> I have the solaris express dev. ed but wanted to get the rest of the pkgs
[06:54] <moshe> wb peeps
[06:55] <moshe> well folks,gotta go but thanks for the info.
[06:56] <ToxicSoul> cya
[07:08] <Zambezi> DanaG: Thanks. TC 4.3a installed without complaints. Now the real test starts within an hour. To actually mount a TC-partion. I get back with the resualt.
[07:09] <DanaG> Cool.
[07:09] <DanaG> I usually keep around one old major-version kernel when dist-upgrading.
[07:16] <twb> flashplugin-nonfree is in multiverse!  Is there some replacement that is in restricted (or main)?
[07:17] <Flannel> twb: gnash
[07:17] <twb> Apparently the users "need" evil non-Free flash
[07:18] <Flannel> but don't want it if its in multiverse?
[07:18] <twb> I see now that flashplugin-nonfree has *always* been in multiverse
[07:18] <Flannel> Of course, it can't really be supported, because all the package does is grab the file from macrodobe
[07:18] <twb> I thought before that it had moved there in Hardy because Ubuntu had endorsed something else
[07:18] <twb> Flannel: well, you can make the same argument about Firefox and binary blobs in main
[07:19] <twb> But never mind, no point in getting into an argument.
[07:22] <bullgard4> "~$ update-manager; current dist not found in meta-release file." What is a 'meta-release file'?
[07:23] <twb> Is anyone interested in xserver-xorg pci IDs (for autodetecting currently undetected intel cards)?
[07:24] <twb> Hmm, it might be because the driver package isn't installed on the CD
[07:25] <twb> Nope, it's installed.
[07:25] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/+bug/192888
[07:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed]
[07:26] <twb> ...even weirder; the second reboot it auto-detected intel-ness
[07:27] <LSD|Ninja> Is Hardy using the webkit backend for gtk-html?
[07:29] <HorizonXP> !hardy
[07:29] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[07:29] <LSD|Ninja> Isn't *this* #ubuntu+1 o_O
[07:32] <twb> LSD|Ninja: can't you tell by looking at the Depends line?
[07:33] <Snark_> Hey, guys! In Hardy release I found they goin to use kernel 2.6.24 . However, latest one is 2.6.25 and the one before it is <IP_ADDRESS>. Do you have any idea what this mean?
[07:33] <LSD|Ninja> twb: I'm not actually running 8.04, I'm just curious
[07:33] <twb> LSD|Ninja: packages.ubuntu.com/gtk-html
[07:34] <LSD|Ninja> Snark_: latest one from where?
[07:34] <twb> hwtest-gtk takes a loooong time to fail if I provide a dummy email address
[07:34] <Snark_> <LSD|Ninja: from kernel.org ^_^
[07:35] <LSD|Ninja> I figured
[07:35] <twb> (Furthermore, requiring users to validate a *MAIL* address via HTTP is Fucking Stupid.)
[07:35] <jussi01> !ohmy
[07:35] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:35] <Jordan_U> twb, Dummy as in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or dummy as in "hello world" ?
[07:35] <bullgard4> Snark_: This means that Hardy i meant to be a long-term distribution.
[07:35] <bullgard4> is
[07:36] <LSD|Ninja> Snark_: moving to 2.6.25 would require a new round of testing with Hardy being this close to release that would be stupid
[07:36] <twb> I used<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:36] <twb> It immediately (locally) rejected simply "fuckoff".
[07:37] <LSD|Ninja> Snark_: More than likely the CD will install 2.6.24 and then later, when it's ready, 2.6.25 will be offered as an update
[07:37] <twb> (Sorry about the continued swearing, but that is the exact strings I tested.)
[07:37] <Snark_> LSD|Ninja: so, do you assume that 2.6.25 would be available later as an update or we would have to build it ourselves?
[07:38] <Snark_> LSD|Ninja: gotcha ) thanx
[07:38] <twb> Also, I'd like to point out that the "days to release" image on the front ubuntu.com page is not accessible to disabled users, because it encodes text inside an image and does not even include the string in the alternate text attribute.
[07:38] <bullgard4> In Tracker I am searching for documents containing the search word 'tracker'. Why does Tracker output documents which contain the words 'track' or 'tracks'?
[07:38] <LSD|Ninja> Being an LTS release I'd imagine it wouldn't be offered through a mainline channel but chances are good it'll be offered at an update at some point
[07:38] <Jordan_U> twb, You can file a bug report
[07:39] <MrMist> hey :)
[07:39] <MrMist> Hmm... alltray doesn't seem to work anymore...
[07:39] <x1250> bullgard4, I guess only tracker devs should know that. Anyway, IMO tracker sucks
[07:39] <MrMist> I want thunderbird to be in the tray....
[07:39] <Snark_> LSD|Ninja: I wonder if .25 advantages worth it to build it before official invitation..
[07:39] <Hobbsee> twb: file bugs at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[07:39] <LSD|Ninja> MrMist: you need an add-on for that iirc
[07:39] <bullgard4> x1250: "to suck" is no exact description.
[07:40] <twb> I know how to file bugs in launchpad
[07:40] <LSD|Ninja> Snark_: If you have to ask that then probably not
[07:40] <x1250> its not a description, is my opinion
[07:40] <MrMist> LSD|Ninja: you know which addon ?
[07:40] <Jordan_U> bullgard4, It's probably just trying to be "smart" and present you with all 'relevant' results
[07:40] <twb> I don't, because I feel very strongly about 16:35 <twb> (Furthermore, requiring users to validate a *MAIL* address via HTTP is ****ing Stupid.)
[07:41] <Hobbsee> LSD|Ninja: it would be unlikely to update the kernal at this point - pre or post release.
[07:41] <LSD|Ninja> MrMist: not off-hand but if you search around the tbird addon page you're likely to find one
[07:41] <Hobbsee> twb: fine, then don't.
[07:41] <twb> Now that DoJ is forcing me to use Ubuntu, I may have to take a less hard line
[07:41] <twb> :-(
[07:41] <bullgard4> Jordan_U: Yes, that could be an explanation. But somehow this smart-ness should be defined.
[07:41] <twb> Hobbsee: that attitude does amaze me.
[07:41] <Hobbsee> twb: you attempting to take your anger out on the ubuntu website here, among people who don't code it, also does.
[07:42] <Hobbsee> ditto the fact that they require the mail validation.
[07:42] <LSD|Ninja> Hobbsee: I've been presented with kernel updates from the update manager before but I'd imagine things would be different with an LTS release
[07:42] <twb> Hobbsee: who *does*, if not ubuntu?
[07:42] <Hobbsee> LSD|Ninja: security updates, yes.  Did dapper ever get a kernel update?
[07:42] <Jordan_U> bullgard1, Yeah, "magic" can be nice some times but I usually prefer determinism, or at least the option of determinism, have you tried putting the term in quotes?
[07:42] <Hobbsee> twb: these are users, not canonical employees who code the website.
[07:42] <Hobbsee> twb: and a few devs
[07:43] <twb> Nevertheless, your (#ubuntu and related channels) seems to be "we don't care that users have to jump through hoops to help us."
[07:43] <gregory> twb: Department of Justice is using Ubuntu?
[07:44] <twb> gregory: the Australian DoJ
[07:44] <gregory> twb: interesting thanks
[07:44] <twb> They aren't very bright.
[07:44] <twb> I mean, in general.