[00:41] <gry> hi! why does ubuntu have a kvirc 4.1.1 in repos if latest stable is 4.0.4?
[00:47] <tsimpson> gry: looks like Debian started taking SVN snapshots instead
[00:55] <gry> tsimpson: No. Debian stable has a 4.0.2.
[00:55] <gry> tsimpson: http://packages.debian.org/stable/kvirc
[04:34] <alicia_b> hi  :)
[04:34] <alicia_b> Question about Kdenlive- How can I move a video channel above or below another video channel?
[05:10] <Daskreech> alicia_b: I've never used KDEnlive but that's an interesting question. You mean like an Alpha channel or vertically on the screen?
[05:10] <alicia_b> Daskreech: vertically on the screen
[05:11] <Daskreech> Hmm. it's a non linear video editor isn't it?
[05:14] <alicia_b> Daskreech: yes
[05:15] <Daskreech> http://www.kdenlive.org/forum/having-two-videos-same-time does that help? IT does seem like some work but pretty doable
[05:18] <alicia_b> looking
[05:21] <alicia_b> Daskreech: Nah, I'm just trying to move one of the channels below the other in the program layout. Nothing to do with compositing. I appreciate your help.
[05:24] <Daskreech> alicia_b: but it's PIP right?
[05:24] <alicia_b> Daskreech: idk
[05:25] <alicia_b> PIP?
[05:27] <Daskreech> Picture in Picture. Having two videos running at the same time on the screen
[05:30] <alicia_b> Daskreech: no i don't want pip
[05:30] <Daskreech> ok
[05:30] <alicia_b> Daskreech: I want to move one of the channels below the other in the program layout
[05:31] <alicia_b> I want to take Video1 and move it below Video2
[05:32] <Daskreech> how are they situated now?
[05:35] <alicia_b> Daskreech: Video1 is above Video2
[05:38] <Daskreech> as I said never used kdeenlive so this may be a a stupid question but can't you just drag them into place?
[05:41] <alicia_b> Daskreech: I can drag the clips within them, but I'm trying to figure out how to move the entire channel, because one channel may have 100 clips
[05:50] <Daskreech> Ah right I see
[05:51] <alicia_b> yeah, it's troublesome
[05:53] <Daskreech> I presume you asked on #kdenlive already?
[05:56] <alicia_b> Daskreech: yeah, it's dead in there
[06:03] <Daskreech> Yeah I've often heard that the forums are where you get help for that project
[06:11] <ashes> hello. i don't know where to ask this, and google's links are outdated. i have a 1.5ghz pentium-m notebook with 1.5gb memory, and a 64mb video device. i do use swap space during normal operation. youtube HD videos play terribly... what is the most likely cause?
[06:12] <ashes> i don't want to invest in more memory if the cpu is the problem
[06:12] <ashes> 2gb is probabyly the max i can have
[06:15] <Daskreech> ashes: Likely your videocard
[06:15] <Daskreech> P-M is not a very capable Processor despite the M
[06:15] <Daskreech> It's not for Multimedia. It's more for powersaving
[06:18] <ashes> hmm
[06:18] <skreech_> Flash is one of those bits of software that get progressively more hungry with each release.
[06:19] <ashes> skreech_: yes, i see that, but at the same time they can not allow themselves to become unusable
[06:19] <skreech_> As in noticeably more hungry. Adobe Reader used to be just as bad. You'd upgrade one version and it suddenly wouldn't be usable anymore
[06:19] <skreech_> ashes: Well they have dropped out of mobile since they can't adapt to that space so I think that your line of thinking seems flawed
[06:20] <ashes> flash has to be playable on a mobile phone, or else people simply won't use it
[06:21] <skreech_> Well Adobe killed all the future Flash on a Mobile projects
[06:21] <ashes> from what i see smart phones are taking over
[06:21] <skreech_> And that's with phonesgoing Dual and quad core
[06:22] <ashes> replacing laptops
[06:22]  * skreech_ hugs his Mer project
[06:22] <ashes> anyway. i don't want to get into what other people should do with themselves
[06:23] <ashes> i would just like to watch youtube videos
[06:23] <ashes> and it sounds like i need a new cpu
[06:23] <skreech_> ashes: For information gathering I can't imagine an office with everyone just doing work on their cellphones
[06:24] <skreech_> ashes: I just use youtube-dl but I may be a strange case
[06:25] <ashes> the mobile phone internet market is probably the most growing market
[06:25] <ashes> i also use youtube-dl, and then mplayer has amazing difficulty playing the mp4
[06:25] <ashes> i end up downloading a massive video
[06:27] <ashes> this problem is new as of 2012, for me
[06:28] <Daskreech> ashes: how old is the laptop?
[06:28] <ashes> my video chipset was put on market in 2000
[06:28] <alicia_b> ashes: What you could do is download videos locally and play the with a player like vlc
[06:28] <ashes> so about 10 years
[06:29] <alicia_b> ashes: I do it all the time, and the video's consume much less resources
[06:30] <ashes> alicia_b: i tried that, using mplayer, and the problem videos cause problems for mplayer too
[06:30] <ashes> most videos are ok, but some are a serious problem
[06:30] <Daskreech> ashes: do you have an example one?
[06:30] <ashes> sure
[06:30] <Daskreech> course I'm on a super beefy machine here so that doesn't help
[06:30] <alicia_b> ashes: "problem videos"? Could you link an example?
[06:31] <alicia_b> ashes: Also, you can set in youtube what your default player resolution is. Mine i set at the low 320p setting
[06:31] <Daskreech> alicia_b: Ick
[06:31] <alicia_b> s/is/should be/
[06:32] <ashes> ok
[06:33] <ashes> now the video is playing well, but i recently rebooted
[06:33] <alicia_b> hmmm
[06:33] <ashes> so this would be a ram issue
[06:34] <alicia_b> possibly?
[06:35] <alicia_b> ashes: Do you know how to check if your RAM is low?
[06:35] <ashes> i use free -m
[06:36] <alicia_b> ashes: Do you see a lot of harddrive accessing while trying to play videos?
[06:36] <ashes> not right now
[06:37] <alicia_b> You will see the hard drive light blinking a lot if it's a RAM issue
[06:37] <ashes> but i have fewer tabs open than normal
[06:37] <ashes> hmm
[06:37] <ashes> my cpu is about 15% idle
[06:38] <ashes> i'll have to look for a 2GB stick of memory
[06:38] <ashes> bump myself to 3GB or something
[06:38] <alicia_b> ashes: I have 1GB of ram in my system
[06:39] <ashes> i have 1.5
[06:39] <alicia_b> ashes: Are you using FF 11?
[06:39] <alicia_b> Firefox
[06:39] <ashes> chrome
[06:40] <alicia_b> Well there is an extension for Firefox that allows you to unload tabs from memory. It keeps the tabs in your tab bar, but they only load when you want them to. It's called bartab
[06:41] <alicia_b> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bartab/
[06:41] <ashes> memory seems to be my problem. i'll find a big chip of memory, and my problem should go away
[06:42] <alicia_b> ashes: firefox can also be set to not load tabs into memory on startup
[06:44] <alicia_b> ashes: I use an indicator applet that sits in my tray at all times, it tells me if my system is using a lot of CPU or HD input/output.
[06:46] <alicia_b> ashes: If the issue is hard drive input output, then it's RAM, because the hard drive swap space is being used.
[06:46] <alicia_b> And hard drive swap space is super slow
[06:47] <ashes> the video i had a problem with, with mplayer, is working fine now. that means it's ram, not cpu
[06:47] <alicia_b> ashes: I would tend to agree
[06:48] <alicia_b> ashes: the extension bartab will save you on ram
[06:48] <ashes> k
[06:49] <ashes> i think chrome also does that
[06:49] <alicia_b> ashes: you could be right :)
[06:49] <ashes> i dropped two tabs and got about 50mb of memory back
[06:50] <ashes> chrome is especially good for multicpu systems, which i do not have
[06:50] <ashes> systems which have memory to spare
[06:51] <ashes> chrome puts each tab on a different cpu
[06:51] <alicia_b> I think the youtube player is different now, in that some of the videos they send only load into memory instead of being saved on disk. This could possibly also have an affect
[06:53] <andrey_> hi
[06:54] <andrey_> is it possible to perform the system administration of Ubuntu on the Python language?
[06:54] <andrey_> is it possible to perform the system administration of KUbuntu on the Python language?
[06:56] <alicia_b> andrey_: I'm not really sure what you mean by "system administration".
[06:59] <andrey_> administration of the system .., management of software, automation through cron, process control, etc.
[07:01] <andrey_> safety management systems Configuring Web servers, network protocols work with the system
[07:04] <skreech_> andrey_: Yes
[07:09] <andrey_> I just hesitate between what is best to learn python or C + + for this purpose ..
[07:12] <skreech_> For system Admin? Python is a much better choice
[07:12] <skreech_> You want small scripts for administration
[08:41] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:49] <alkisg> Hi, I have a nikon coolpix camera an in Ubuntu I can automatically access it with nautilus in this url:            gphoto2://[usb:002,005]/
[08:49] <alkisg> I installed gphoto2 in kubuntu but I still can't access the camera, any help? Do I need specialized software in KDE, like e.g. digikam?
[08:55] <lordievader> alkisg: How does your camera connect to your pc?
[08:57] <alkisg> lordievader: thank you, they answered me from #kde and I solved the problem by navigating to camera:/ from dolphin
[08:57] <lordievader> alkisg: Ah oke, great that it is working for you :)
[09:41] <Farlahelm> Hello
[09:41] <mokush> Farlahelm: hey
[10:13] <Armageddon> is there a way to restrict specific applications from showing in the tree ? as in package manager
[10:43] <cicciuzzo72> .
[10:59] <kpocha> Hello !
[10:59] <kpocha> Ther's someone whos speak spanishe there ?
[11:00] <szal> !es | kpocha
[11:00] <kpocha> thanks
[12:21] <natman> when im printing i am getting pages that look like QR codes across the page, yet other times the document prints fine, can anyone help
[12:24] <kbroulik> is there a way to find out which hardware/program is blocking Suspend To RAM?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> hey all
[14:00] <kg_sl> Hi all, is there a permission system in Linux, where we can have differnt group permission for same file?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> kg_sl, yes
[14:03] <kg_sl> really.. mmm any reference ?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> users and groups , read and/or write permissions as a user or group
[14:04] <BluesKaj> !permissions
[14:07] <kg_sl> thank you for the info BluesKaj, but if we have two groups like admin and root and I want to have differnt permission for those two groups.. is that possible?
[14:08] <kg_sl> or do I need to read more on FilePermission ? :)
[14:09] <BluesKaj> !root
[14:09] <BluesKaj> !admin
[14:09] <BluesKaj> !info admin
[14:11] <kg_sl> no nope no.. I took an example.. lets say we have a file called.. test.. and it belongs to user:user.. I need group1 to have read permission file, group2 can only write into it?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> kg_sl, I'm an ordinary home user , so I'm not well versed in the various levels of permissions used in workplace situations'
[14:12] <kg_sl> oh ok.. but I really appreciate that u tried to help me :) thank u
[14:12] <BluesKaj> kg_sl, are you running kubuntu ?
[14:12] <kg_sl> yeap..
[14:12] <kg_sl> connecting thru Quassel
[14:13] <kg_sl> hehe
[14:15] <akoma1s> I'm kinda confused by http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.3 . Is 4.8.3 going to hit the Precise repos?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> ok , open the kmenu >computer>system settings>user management , there are options and settings there for users and groups and their various permissions
[14:15] <BluesKaj> kg_sl, ^
[14:15] <kg_sl> ok .. I'm looking into that
[14:16] <qbit> kg_sl: I don't know much of anything about this, but what you're looking for might be ACL (access control lists) - man acl might be a start
[14:17] <qbit> kg_sl: and I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to use - just aware it exists
[14:17] <BluesKaj> akoma1s, it's in the backports , sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports , then update  and dist-upgrade
[14:18] <akoma1s> BluesKaj: thanks for the fast reply :)
[14:18] <kg_sl> BluesKaj: maybe I would look at what qbit suggested, the default permission scheme seems not to support my requirement. Thanks for the suggestions qbit
[14:18] <akoma1s> I wanted a clarification on the "...until the packages are available in the official repositories." bit though
[14:19] <akoma1s> Does it referring to Quantal or Precise official repos?
[14:19] <akoma1s> Is it*
[14:19] <BluesKaj> kg_sl, ok , I'm glad qbit came up with that suggestion ..never heard of it
[14:20] <BluesKaj> akoma1s, both , 4.8.3 is default in quantal
[14:20] <kg_sl> yes.. I have heard.. but haven't used it.. time to read .. hehe.. thank you so much guys..
[14:22] <akoma1s> BluesKaj: right, thanks :)
[14:45] <Voodoo> hola
[14:47] <Voodoo> alguien sabe como instalar el draftsight en presice 64
[14:48] <BluesKaj> !es | Voodoo
[14:49] <Voodoo> gracias
[14:50] <BluesKaj> Voodoo, de nada
[14:55] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[14:56] <kg_sl> hello!!!
[14:56] <phoenix_firebrd> kg_sl: hi
[14:57] <kg_sl> hi phoenix_firebrd
[14:58] <Peace-> anyone knows ho to get  this ? http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-ubuntu2
[14:59] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: hi
[14:59] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: hei
[14:59] <kg_sl> Peace-: right click on the dolphin tool bar and go to configure tool bars
[15:00] <Peace-> kg_sl: ok but i can't put them on the right
[15:00] <Peace-> no way
[15:02] <kg_sl> does drag and drop of icons works..?
[15:02] <kg_sl> do it while u are configuring tool bars
[15:02] <Peace-> kg_sl:  can you do it ? like in the screenshot?
[15:03] <Peace-> kg_sl: wtf it works
[15:03] <Peace-> damn it
[15:03] <kg_sl> yeap.. looks like I can do it..
[15:03] <kg_sl> did it worked?
[15:03] <Peace-> yep
[15:03] <kg_sl> hehe ok
[15:04] <Peace-> kg_sl: it's a strnage way to do it
[15:05] <kg_sl> yeah.. first I thought.. he might have put some space between it.. empty area.. kinda thing.. but drag and drop is the way to do it.. KDE rocks..
[15:10] <Peace-> kg_sl: it doesn't work
[15:10] <Peace-> kg_sl: you can do it right but when you close dolphin you get the old config
[15:10] <kg_sl> really.. ?
[15:10] <kg_sl> wait till I check it myself..
[15:11] <kg_sl> aww.. pain.. hehe
[15:14] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: i found a way to do it, but its not the proper way, because of the absence  spacer tool item.
[15:17] <kg_sl> I think we have to untick 'lock toolbar positions'
[15:17] <Peace-> let me check
[15:18] <kg_sl> yeap.. it works..
[15:18] <kg_sl> hehe
[15:18] <kg_sl> kinda foolish.. not to notice it..
[15:18] <Peace-> nope
[15:18] <Peace-> here doesn't work
[15:18] <kg_sl> works for me.. need a screen shot ;)
[15:19] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: http://imagebin.org/212125
[15:19] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: ok close and reopen dolphin
[15:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: nothing happened, remains the same
[15:20] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: kde  version ?
[15:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: i have done it in a different method
[15:20] <Peace-> how
[15:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: 4.8.2
[15:21] <Peace-> kg_sl: here i have phoenix_firebrd http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-el4114
[15:21] <Peace-> but after
[15:22] <Peace-> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-ui4114
[15:22] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: how did you do that?
[15:22] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: right click on tool bar  and then i moved the buttons
[15:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: let me try
[15:23] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: => http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-wq4114
[15:24] <kg_sl> hmm looks like my method is bad..
[15:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: oh, ok, going to tryu that
[15:24] <kg_sl> when we open a new dolphin window... the changes are gone..
[15:25] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: how did you do that ?
[15:27] <Peace-> ok i have to go but i will leave pc here answer me so i will read after
[15:28] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: instead of a spacer tool item i used an item called "editable location" tool item and edited its text with space characters. the disadvantage is the prefix and suffix charectors should be a visible one, i used a colon and a dot
[15:37] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: got it but it is very very nerd way
[15:37] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: ya, its a bug in dolphin, we should file one
[15:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: either dolphin should retain the location of the tool items or it should offer a spacer item
[16:13] <kami84gr> I might sound silly but I just wanted to thank the Kubuntu team for bringing me back to the *buntu family after 6 years ...I've been through Debian, Fedora and Arch but now thanks to the 12.04 release it is Kubuntu all the way!
[16:39] <ASL> Can anyone give me some assisstance with a ubuntu 12.04 problem?
[16:39] <DarthFrog> !question | ASL
[16:40] <ASL> Sorry.. New here. Im having this problem where when i restart ubuntu it just stays on a black screen and doesnt boot, as soon i restart with the ubuntu CD it boots right up and i can login and use it.
[16:40] <ASL> I can also suspend and power right back up but as soon as i shutdown/restart it just sits
[16:45] <BluesKaj> strange , I've relabled the external drive with the parition manager , but the UUID string stiil appears on the icon , rather than the label name. It seems like I'm stuck in cycle ...all tutorials describe the same procedure for renaming the UUID as a label, which isn't working , any ideas?
[17:56] <xixor> Yo, how does one change the audio playback device in kde/kubuntu?  Cheers
[18:00] <phoenix_firebrd> xixor: system settings-> multimedia->phonon->audio hardware tab
[18:02] <xixor> phoenix_firebrd: ok, thanks
[18:02] <phoenix_firebrd> xixor: yw
[18:04] <xixor> hm... so, I have a M-Audio Fast Track USB audio device that I am trying to use.  It shows up in kinfocenter, and in the Phonon system settings, as "M-Audio Fast Track Analog Stereo", but when I "Test" the play back, no sound
[18:05] <xixor> but when I do the speaker placement test, "Front Right", "Front Left", it works
[18:05] <xixor> anyone know what is up?
[18:05] <BluesKaj> xixor, in the terminal , aplay -l
[18:06] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[18:06] <xixor> BluesKaj: Yeah, it shows the device: card 2: Track [Fast Track], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
[18:07] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd
[18:08] <xixor> BluesKaj: It's very strange.  In the "Audio Hardware Setup", testing the speaker location sounding, playing the front left/front right sound, it works
[18:09] <xixor> BluesKaj: But in the "Device Preference" tab, playing the Test sound, nothing plays, and I can't get it to output sound with any program
[18:11] <BluesKaj> xixor, ok , do you have pulseaudio installed
[18:11] <BluesKaj> ?
[18:12] <BluesKaj> xixor, also pastebin the output from , lsmod | grep snd
[18:13] <xixor> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/CjWXPpN0
[18:14] <xixor> BluesKaj: yes, pulseaudio is installed... gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio, libpulse-mainloop-glib0, libpulse0, libpulsedsp, pulseaudio, pulseaudio-module-x11, pulseaudio-utils, vlc-plugin-pulse, a few others
[18:15] <BluesKaj> xixor, install pavucontrol as well
[18:17] <xixor> ok, installing now
[18:17] <BluesKaj> in the terminal type ' alsamixer ', make sure the Master, PCM,  Line & CD are all unmuted ,by using the "M" key'
[18:17] <BluesKaj> then turn those controls up to the max
[18:18] <xixor> hm... in alsamixer, the device only has a PCM, nothing else
[18:18] <BluesKaj> unmuted= 00 in the box at the bottom the ctrl slders
[18:19] <xixor> so does that mean the device can only play uncompressed audio I wonder?
[18:20] <xixor> ah, apparently I need to reboot for pavucontrol, brb
[18:20] <BluesKaj> ok xixor I'm not real familair with usb audio cards , I also have a m-audio card, and I also have only pcm ctrl , because I have no speakers connected to it
[18:21] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: if i remember correctly, you dont like pulseaudio
[18:23] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, no I don't , but I have to use it for webaudio content
[18:24] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya, i remeber you saying that, you said there will be a solution soon
[18:24] <BluesKaj> ok xixor I'm not real familair with usb audio cards , I also have a m-audio card, and I also have only pcm ctrl , because I have no speakers connected to it , or any breakout cables . It feeds my audioamp .is your setup similar?
[18:24] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya right about the html5/webm thing
[18:25] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are you asking me?
[18:25] <BluesKaj> alsa and flash don't link on websites , phoenix_firebrd
[18:25] <xixor> BluesKaj: I have built in motherboard audio, which works fine, it just "crackles" when the volume changes.  I also have an M-Audio USB device, one of their lower end models, the FastTrack USB
[18:25] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya
[18:26] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, no , I was asking xixor
[18:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ok
[18:27] <BluesKaj> xixor, does the usb audio device connect to a speaker system or an amp or both ?
[18:27] <xixor> BluesKaj: It is directly connected to some powered speakers
[18:29] <xixor> BluesKaj: I can get sound out of them on this device... in the "Audio Hardware setup", I can hear the front left/front right voice, and in pavucontrol, when I change the slider on the device, I can hear the little "Blip" sound when you move past 100%, but that is all, I can't get the other test sounds to work, or audio apps to play to the device
[18:30] <xixor> BluesKaj: I notice that when I run alsamixer, the USB deivce isn't the default, but the mobo soundcard is the default
[18:31] <xixor> BluesKaj: I use F6 to select the sound card, and I see that the PCM is unmuted on the M-audio card
[18:33] <BluesKaj> xixor, ok , unless you want to use the mobo soundcard , best to would disable it in the bios , then if possible enable the usb soundcard
[18:33] <xixor> BluesKaj: when I cat /proc/asound/cards, It shows the M-audio card as the last card, http://pastebin.com/GRFPwXx5
[18:35] <BluesKaj> xixor, sudo modprobe snd_usb_audio
[18:36] <xixor> BluesKaj: So, I downloaded and installed Audacity, and if I specifically select the Fast Track USB Audio Device, I can play a file and hear the sound
[18:38] <BluesKaj> xixor, you can try editing the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf with root permissions, add this line to bottom,  options snd-usb-audio index=0, then make any other snd modules =-2
[18:40] <BluesKaj> pavucontrol also can direct the sound for you if you set it up to use the usb device
[18:41] <xixor> what do you mean direct the sound?
[18:41] <u19809> HI all, what do I need to compile a 32bit qt 4.8.1 app under precise pangolin 64bit ?
[18:42] <BluesKaj> from alsa to all installed media , players xixor
[18:43] <xixor> BluesKaj: This is interesting... I have pavucontrol opened, and it has like a VU slider below the audio device whenever it receives a signal.  In the phonon control module, if I play the "front left"/"front right" sounds, I can see that VU meter move, and I can hear the audio.  When I play the "Test" sound, I can see the meter move, but there is no audio being played
[18:43] <BluesKaj> u19809, build-essential , and perhaps cmake
[18:44] <u19809> Hmm ... the problem is not the build chain but th qt32 bit libraries  They seem to be in a different location and I do not know what the proper packages to install are
[18:44] <BluesKaj> xixor, what default device do you have chosen in phonon device preferences?
[18:45] <xixor> BluesKaj: I have the Fast Track setup as default.. by default, I mean I have "prefered" it over the other devices, and moved it to the top of the list as the device for music and video
[18:45] <BluesKaj> u19809, if you have arch support installed , 32 bit should compile
[18:45] <xixor> BluesKaj: ahhh, I got it instead of being on the Music/Video/Games subselection, I had to change it under Audio Playback
[18:46] <BluesKaj> xixor, have you tried editing /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf with root permissions , as I suggested above ..then you may have to reboot
[18:48] <u19809> Blueskaj : that is the problem ... I have upgraded from oneric to precise ... what is this 'arch support" ? ia32-libs ? that is installed but it only points to transistional packages ..
[18:49] <xixor> BluesKaj: so now, I can get audio out of VLC, but not amarok
[18:49] <xixor> fun stuff
[18:49] <BluesKaj> u19809, it's like ia32libs , but my understanding is it's a better system
[18:50] <BluesKaj> xixor, Iasked you a questio above about alsa-base.conf .. did you see it ?
[18:50] <xixor> BluesKaj: yes, I have edited that file, but haven't rebooted yet
[18:50] <BluesKaj> ok , time to reboot xix
[18:50] <BluesKaj> xixor,
[18:50] <xixor> alright
[18:51] <BluesKaj> u19809, archsupport should be default in precise , you can check for yourself
[18:53] <u19809> Blueskaj : how can I check for this ? Packages ? Files ?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> u19809, hang on , i don't see it , unless it's renamed
[18:54] <xixor> BluesKaj: Hm... after rebooting, the M-Audio device doesn't show up
[19:01] <BluesKaj> xixor, lspci -nn | grep -i audio
[19:02] <xixor> BluesKaj: yeah, it's no longer listed
[19:02] <BluesKaj> u19809, look for multiarch in your package manager
[19:03] <BluesKaj> what is listed xixor ?
[19:03] <xixor> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/vm6iW6Zd
[19:03] <xixor> BluesKaj: it shows my motherboards audio device, and apparently my video card has an HDMI audio device or something
[19:04] <BluesKaj> xixor, yes , did you disable the onboard audio in your bios ?
[19:05] <xixor> BluesKaj: nope
[19:05] <u19809> Blueskaj : i do have ia32-libs-multiarch:386 installed but a dpkg -L on reveals no libraries just some docs
[19:05]  * BluesKaj shrugs ...xixor , that's probly why your usb isn't showing
[19:05] <u19809> I also have mulitarch-support installed but that seems a transistional package
[19:07] <phoenix_firebrd> u19809: are you using qt sdk?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> u19809, yes I suppose it will remain so 'til there are no more 32 bit aps
[19:08] <u19809> on oneric I used getlibs to download appropriate libraries ... so no I use the standard qt packages ... I think
[19:10] <BluesKaj> u19809, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec
[19:16] <u19809> blueskay ... that clarifies things  I do have these subfolders but the link paths in the compile step refer to the old /usr/lib32 ...
[19:16] <u19809> I need to find out why ... thanx
[19:16] <genii-around> Perhaps someone may know offhand: Is there a way to prevent kdm from blanking the screen before it shows the background which has been set in it's theme? ...I have same background now set for grub, plymouth,kdm, ksplash, and main desktop. I'd like it to appear continuously from grub menu until desktop is loaded.
[19:18] <phoenix_firebrd> u19809: search for "universal binaries" topic in qt documentation
[19:20] <tsimpson> universal binaries are a feature of Mac OSX
[19:22] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: does putting "CONFIG+= x86" in the .pro file create a x86 exe?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> genii-around, install grub2-kde-config-grub2 , then you can configure grub appearence in a handy gui, with better options . It installs in system settings>startup and shutdown by default
[19:23] <BluesKaj> oops genii-around , kde-config-grub2
[19:24] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Does it eliminate the screen refresh which seems to happen when kdm loads?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> hmm, genii-around , no i don't so :(
[19:25] <BluesKaj> think
[19:27] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Right now I have a background which gets loaded during grub... it appears continuously until kdm starts... screen then blanks 3-6 seconds until the same backgound reloads. Which after login stays again until desktop is up.  :P
[19:36] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: :)
[20:12]  * Wizard yawns.
[20:13] <Wizard> Does anybody know if I can offer kubuntu to my customers?
[20:13] <Wizard> I mean, install it for cash and so?
[20:14] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: i think you cannot sell kubuntu
[20:15] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: you can charge for the service , but not for the distro
[20:16] <Wizard> And if the service is "to burn it on CD"? :>
[20:18] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: you can charge what ever for the burning thats upto you, but anyway you cannot charge for the distro. You better read the license agreement
[20:18] <Wizard> I have to :)
[20:19] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: you have to what?
[20:19] <Wizard> Read the license.
[20:19] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: ya
[20:22] <Wizard> apt-cache search battle
[20:22] <Wizard> Oops.
[20:23] <IdleOne> permission denied
[20:23] <Wizard> :S
[20:24] <Wizard> Sorry, I forgot to enable focus follow mouse.
[22:02] <JuanK> Hi all !!!!
[22:07] <roscoe> Hello, everyone. I'm new to ubuntu and kde. I'm trying to install clamav and kde won't recognize my sudo password. Anyon have any advice for me?
[22:18] <BluesKaj> roscoe, any reason other than you're connected to windows pcs to install clamav?
[22:20] <roscoe> yes, I have windo$ machines on network
[22:21] <roscoe> Mainly concerned about KDE not recognizing sudo passwd
[22:30] <Walex> roscoe: the 'sudo' password is your own account password.
[22:30] <Walex> roscoe: many people configure 'sudo' to request again the user's own password before enabling it for a time. For the case when a 'sudo' user account has been hacked.
[22:31] <roscoe> yup. however, KDE won't recognize it. Eviedntly, KDE is looking for the user to be root?
[22:36] <Walex> roscoe: no, 'sudo' specifically allows a non-'root' user to issue 'root' commands.
[22:37] <Walex> roscoe: if 'sudo' cannot match the password you type in with your password there can be one of several issues.
[22:37] <Walex> roscoe: just to make one check, try to 'su - $USER' to see if 'su' can do it.
[22:45] <roscoe> Walex: 'su - $user) returns su: authentication failure
[22:48] <Walex> roscoe: that's not very good news at all.
[22:48] <Walex> roscoe: unless you typed it literally as you typed it here.
[22:49] <Walex> roscoe: try again with 'su - ...' with your username in lieu of the ellipsis (without the single quotes)
[22:49] <Walex> roscoe: the environment variable '$USER' has the value of your current login name, but '$user' is not a standard one
[22:51] <roscoe> Walex: Understood $USER to be variable. I typed: 'su - g-001'. I am finding info that I may need to add user to the wheelgroup to have KDE recognise current user (g-001) as having su priviledges?
[22:51] <u19809> hi all, I cannot find a 32-bit version of the libQtUiTools.a library anymore ... where could I find this ?
[23:57] <Guest70327> hi
[23:58] <Guest70327> anybody from pl??


[02:58] <mfisch> can someone explain why some packages, for example, curl, are not in merge-o-matic?
[03:17] <micahg> mfisch: MoM merges against unstable, curl has an update in experimental
[03:28] <mfisch> micahg: thanks!
[23:35] <TheLordOfTime> any backporters around?


[16:14] <hggdh> fossfreedom: yes, set the channel +r, for example. This will block un-registered users from joining
[16:14] <Unit193> fossfreedom: You can require users to be identified to join or talk.


[13:59] <smartboyhw> balloons WAKE UP!
[14:03] <balloons> who's all about?
[14:03] <balloons> besides you smartboyhw :-)
[14:03] <smartboyhw> phillw
[14:03] <smartboyhw> balloons: Strangely phillw thought he IS chair
[14:04] <phillw> o/
[14:04] <phillw> sorry, engrossed on -release channel
[14:04] <balloons> ahh
[14:05] <balloons> #startmeeting
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[14:05] <balloons> Let's dive right into the topics for today shall we?
[14:05] <smartboyhw> YEAH!
[14:05] <phillw> +1
[14:05] <smartboyhw> +1
[14:06] <balloons> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Sure wait
[14:06] <balloons> none listed.. anything to follow-up on here?
[14:06] <smartboyhw> balloons to chase up the incorrect meeting time on qa.ubuntu.com
[14:06] <smartboyhw> This one...
[14:07] <balloons> smartboyhw, ahh yes
[14:07]  * balloons goes to look
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Also phillw balloons to continue to update Wiki progress update please:)
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Not yet edited balloons, the time:(
[14:08] <phillw> smartboyhw: work continues, the bug section has been tidyed up.
[14:08] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Thanks phillw
[14:08] <balloons> smartboyhw, no status update on qa.ubuntu.com sadly
[14:08] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:08] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Updates
[14:08] <balloons> Ok, as everyone knows it's beta 1 time
[14:09] <balloons> The biggest news for this milestone is the dropping of alternate images for ubuntu
[14:10] <smartboyhw> +1
[14:10] <balloons> For the sake of the chat, I will supply the link to the discussion
[14:11] <balloons> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-August/035675.html
[14:11] <balloons> any further discussion on the change?
[14:11] <smartboyhw> No!
[14:12] <balloons> Alright, the beta testing itself is going well, although we've had some respins during the testing
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Yep so many for Ubuntu Studio due to ubiquity
[14:12] <balloons> the images were in quite a state of flux before the milestone
[14:13] <balloons> so they are still being ironed out
[14:13] <balloons> [TOPICS] Other topics
[14:13] <balloons> [TOPIC] Other topics
[14:14]  * balloons sighs
[14:14] <smartboyhw> \o
[14:14] <balloons> go ahead smartboyhw
[14:14] <smartboyhw> #link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2053135
[14:14] <smartboyhw> balloons have a look at it, not good
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Someone is having negative comments on the ISO QA Tracker
[14:15] <smartboyhw> So how can we improve it, or should we ignore their feedback?
[14:15] <smartboyhw> ,,
[14:15] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:15]  * smartboyhw sighs
[14:16] <balloons> smartboyhw, I saw the thread
[14:16] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:16] <balloons> we can take the feedback and try and understand what's causing them issues
[14:17] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:18] <phillw> \o
[14:18] <balloons> communication and responsiveness from the development team is an on-going thing.. We'll continue to try and fill in the gap for both sides
[14:18] <balloons> thanks smartboyhw.
[14:18] <balloons> phillw, go ahead
[14:18] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:18] <phillw> I'd like to put on record my thanks to stgraber for the work done on the tracker so bugs are carried over when respins occur.
[14:19] <phillw> it has long been a thorn in our side.
[14:19] <smartboyhw> +1
[14:19] <balloons> sure looks nice doesn't it? :-)
[14:19] <phillw> lubuntu has two show-stopper bugs :(
[14:20] <phillw> bug http://launchpad.net/bugs/1041625
[14:20] <phillw> bug http://launchpad.net/bugs/1040544
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Alright
[14:20] <phillw> both are out of our hands.
[14:21] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Studio builds got a hell lot of respins for the last few days due to ubiquity being unstable. However the new build works fine
[14:21] <balloons> phillw, likely will turn into respins?
[14:21] <balloons> at least one is an upstream issue
[14:21] <phillw> balloons: a respin is better than no release on those two.
[14:22] <balloons> of course.. not sure the openchrome will be solved, but it looks like a fix can be had for it
[14:23] <balloons> the other one is a dosey.. lars always manages to find those exotic bugs doesn't he?
[14:23] <phillw> as it is killing both of the ppc iso's one of them really does need fixing
[14:23] <balloons> +1 for lars
[14:23] <smartboyhw> +1
[14:23] <phillw> he's a good tester :)
[14:23] <balloons> :-)
[14:24] <balloons> anything else?
[14:24] <smartboyhw> No
[14:24] <phillw> oh yes, I forgot.
[14:24] <smartboyhw> phillw: ?
[14:24] <phillw> lubuntu now has an ARM iso (it arrived overnight)
[14:24] <phillw> the arm community are looking after it.
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Yep, sadly I don't have ARM
[14:25] <balloons> phillw, yes, please share the story
[14:25] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:25] <phillw> I was asked if lubuntu would object to it. Some ARM machines cannot cope with full ubuntu install, so they wanted a light weight vriant
[14:26] <phillw> I was on the release channel and
[14:26] <phillw> so it seems lubuntu came to mind,
[14:27] <phillw> it was a long term goal for lubuntu to have arm, but we lacked resources - these have now been provided by the arm community.
[14:27] <phillw> ..
[14:27] <balloons> thanks phillw
[14:27] <smartboyhw> \o
[14:27] <balloons> I think it's exciting, and glad to see if all coming together so quick
[14:27] <balloons> smartboyhw, go ahead
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Er, wait while I give the links
[14:28] <smartboyhw> #link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1999827
[14:28] <smartboyhw> #link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2052509
[14:28] <smartboyhw> It is said that there will be a Ubuntu GNOME remix coming
[14:29] <smartboyhw> And trying to get approval to become a official Ubuntu distro
[14:29] <phillw> Gubuntu?
[14:29] <smartboyhw> phillw: Possibly GNOMEbuntu
[14:29] <smartboyhw> So any comments on that?
[14:30] <phillw> i don't use gnome, so none from me.
[14:30] <smartboyhw> OK.
[14:30] <balloons> smartboyhw, it's always exciting to see new ideas come to life.. I wish the flavor the best
[14:31] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:32] <balloons> anything further?
[14:32] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:32] <smartboyhw> No
[14:32] <balloons> if not this meeting's a wrap :-)
[14:32] <smartboyhw> ;-)
[14:32] <balloons> #endmeeting
[14:32] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Sep  5 14:32:23 2012 UTC.
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[14:32] <smartboyhw> Thanks balloons
[14:32] <balloons> thanks phillw and smartboyhw
[14:32] <smartboyhw> Thanks phillw
[14:32] <phillw> balloons: thanks for chairing
[14:33] <smartboyhw> balloons: Talk in #ubuntu-testing shall we
[14:59] <ogra_> foo
[14:59] <ogra_> (out new ports architecture)
[14:59] <ogra_> *our
[15:01]  * slangasek waves
[15:01] <stokachu> o/
[15:01] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: Ubuntu Studio has hardly had any respins.  20120903 and 20120905 as far as I can see.
[15:01] <cjwatson> Just to be factual about it ...
[15:01] <smartboyhw> cjwatson: But then ubiquity fails quite harshly. Anyway, moving on...
[15:02] <cjwatson> You said "a hell lot of respins" - just saying.
[15:02] <cjwatson> One respin isn't a lot. :-)
[15:02] <smartboyhw> That IS a lot
[15:03] <xnox> smartboyhw: for ISO that will be released in 1.5 years time....?!
[15:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[15:03]  * stokachu removes socks
[15:03] <slangasek> #topic lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:03] <slangasek> ev jodh bdmurray xnox doko ogra stgraber slangasek barry stokachu cjwatson infinity
[15:03] <ev> I lose.
[15:03] <ev> - Finally got to the bottom of our retracer problems. Cassandra and its
[15:03] <ev>   transport layer, Thrift, do not like large column values. The limit here is
[15:03] <ev>   currently about 16MB. So if we encounter a value larger than that, like we
[15:03] <ev>   did with lyx's hundred megabyte stacktrace (!), we break it apart into
[15:03] <ev>   separate numbered columns. Added some tooling to better diagnose these sorts
[15:03] <ev>   of problems in the future.
[15:03] <ev> - Started counting the number of reports we receive for the combinations of
[15:03] <ev>   (package, release, version) so that we can adapt the average errors per day
[15:03] <ev>   graph on the front page to the form selection. Right now it just shows lines
[15:03] <ev>   for all of 12.04 and all of 12.10.
[15:03] <ev> - Investigated efficient solutions to recording the First seen and Last seen
[15:03] <ev>   versions for each problem on a per-release level. Committed and RT filed.
[15:04] <ev> - Finally finished off the bug creation branch of lp:errors and merged it in.
[15:04] <ev>   Once this is landed on production, you'll see a "Create" link wherever you
[15:04] <ev>   currently see a blank space in the bug column of the most common problems
[15:04] <ev>   table. This asynchronously talks to Launchpad, creates a bug for the package
[15:04] <ev>   in question, and subscribes you to it. It also records it in Cassandra so
[15:04] <ev>   that if we do eventually see a bug report from Apport, we can just
[15:04] <ev>   programmatically dup it to the errors.ubuntu.com created one.
[15:04] <ev>
[15:04] <ev>   This functionality *should* supersede the daisy backend to apport's
[15:04] <ev>   crash-digger. Time will tell if this is the right solution. It also is the
[15:04] <ev>   foundational piece for building a mapping between bug numbers and fixed
[15:04] <ev>   binary packages so that we can feed users updates that purport to fix the
[15:04] <ev>   issue they just encountered.
[15:04] <ev> - Still waiting on https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=55322
[15:04] <ev>   with lots of things queued up behind it. It's near the top of the chart, but
[15:04] <ev>   I'm growing concerned about just how much stuff is going to land right
[15:04] <ev>   behind it.
[15:04] <ev>   https://portal.admin.canonical.com/ruins?team=losa
[15:04] <ev> (done)
[15:04] <doko> that was short ...
[15:04] <ev> you're welcome
[15:06] <cjwatson> jodh is on holiday IIRC
[15:06] <cjwatson> (He mailed his update)
[15:06] <cjwatson> * blueprints
[15:06] <cjwatson>   - foundations-q-session-management:
[15:06] <cjwatson>     - no progress (but I actually don't have any work items on this one ;-)
[15:06] <cjwatson>   - desktop-q-upstart-session-requirements
[15:06] <cjwatson>     - not started: still awaiting desktop teams precise requirements.
[15:07] <cjwatson>   - foundations-q-upstart-service-readiness
[15:07] <cjwatson>     - no recent progress: the 2 outstanding work items are man page updates.
[15:07] <cjwatson>    - foundations-q-upstart-roadmap
[15:07] <cjwatson>      - no recent progress.
[15:07] <cjwatson>    - foundations-q-event-based-initramfs:
[15:07] <cjwatson>      - Fixed EventOperator collapsing code to serialise start/stop on.
[15:07] <cjwatson>      - Implemented cross re-exec logger handling.
[15:07] <cjwatson>      - Moved to using branch lp:~upstart-devel/upstart/stateful-reexec.
[15:07] <cjwatson>      - Got working Ubuntu build in ppa:jamesodhunt/upstart-testing.
[15:07] <cjwatson>      - Publicised build on ubuntu-devel.
[15:07] <cjwatson> ^- jodh's update
[15:07] <cjwatson> bdmurray: around?
[15:08] <bdmurray> cjwatson: shall I start or is there more from jodh?
[15:08] <bdmurray> ah yes!
[15:08] <bdmurray> holidays²
[15:08] <bdmurray> merge proposal https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/apport/pre-release-freeze/+merge/122747
[15:08] <bdmurray> uploaded apport bug fix for bug 917903 regarding examining VarLogDistupgradeApttermlog attachments
[15:08] <bdmurray> uploaded grub2 fixing bug 919956
[15:08] <bdmurray> discussion with ev regarding package installation failures
[15:08] <bdmurray> sorted out a failed upgrade to quantal
[15:08] <bdmurray> reported bugs 1043867, 1043862, 1043859
[15:08] <bdmurray> discussion regarding bug reporting information on the ubuntu qa tracker
[15:08] <bdmurray> tested kernels for audio bug 1043538
[15:08] <bdmurray> done
[15:09] <xnox> * This week I have spend breaking & fixing ubiquity and dependencies.
[15:09] <xnox>   Causing respins for the milestone. In retrospect, more testing & code
[15:09] <xnox>   review & landing the thursday upload later maybe would have been
[15:09] <xnox>   better, maybe not.
[15:09] <xnox> * Trianging loads of interesting bugs from jibel with respect to new & existing
[15:09] <xnox>   ubiquity behaviour with various options. Some fixed, some to fix
[15:09] <xnox>   after beta1.
[15:09] <xnox> * Had little progress finishing manual LVM & Crypt, due to above.
[15:09] <xnox> * Specs & workitems tracker:
[15:09] <xnox>   - postponed low priority spec foundations-q-degraded-hw-notification
[15:09] <xnox>   - postponed foundations-q-event-based-initramfs. Upstart stateful
[15:09] <xnox>   re-exec is nearing completion, the implementation for the event
[15:09] <xnox>   based initramfs has not started and will not be landing in
[15:09] <xnox>   quantal. But this is work to be done during late quantal & early
[15:09] <xnox>   Rancid Raccoon. Note two views:
[15:09] <slangasek> ev: bah, still waiting on the django ticket?  any idea why it's held up now?
[15:09] <xnox>   http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/xnox.html (new)
[15:09] <xnox>   http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/dmitrij.ledkov.html (old)
[15:09] <xnox>   Filed http://pad.lv/1045548 asking to merge the two.
[15:09] <xnox> * Still Blocked: Geoname lookup still not deployed. See RT #55554
[15:09] <ev> slangasek: *shrugs*
[15:10] <slangasek> ev: as for "how much stuff is going to land right behind it", perhaps you could ask for a staged roll-out, and have them only deploy the subsequent commits in batches of 100? ;)
[15:10] <ev> lol
[15:10] <stgraber> ;)
[15:10] <xnox> ev: every friday to excercise canonistack deployments.
[15:11] <doko> - OpenJDK week ...
[15:11] <doko> - update both openjdk-6 and openjdk-7 to recent release
[15:11] <doko> - some bug triage, but getting demotivated by 475 reports
[15:11] <doko> - debug and fix jamvm for openjdk-7
[15:11] <doko> - package Avian, another jvm for x86, ARM and powerpc
[15:11] <doko> - started icedtea-web update and bug triage
[15:11] <doko> - look at webkit build failure on ARM with bzoltan
[15:11] <ogra_> done ?
[15:11] <doko> yes
[15:11] <ogra_> done:
[15:11] <ogra_> * fix nux, compiz and unity for GLES (over and over and over...)
[15:11] <ogra_> * make beta work on arm
[15:11] <ogra_> * test arm beta images
[15:11] <ogra_> * updated usb-imagewriter (dd frontend in universe for writing arm images to SD) from hal to udisks (upload pending)
[15:11] <ogra_> todo:
[15:11] <ogra_>  * bug 1028905
[15:12] <ogra_>  * bug 1045855
[15:12] <ogra_>  * bug 1045741
[15:12] <ogra_>  * bug 1045491
[15:12] <ogra_>  * decide if the bootpartition on the pandas shouldnt be a hidden part instead of being automounted on the desktop (we used to hide it in the past)
[15:12] <ogra_>  * make a decision if we want to show the source device in the partitioner on pandas (bug 1042930)
[15:12] <ogra_>  * inspect the framebuffer and keyboard issues with d-i on server images
[15:12] <ogra_>  * prepare and hold a "panda install howto" Google OnAir session
[15:12] <ogra_>  * update arm installation wikipages
[15:12] <ogra_> ..
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Was at Linux Plumbers last week (Tuesday -> Friday)
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Monday was a public holiday (labour day)
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Changed machine (Lenovo X230) and moved to 12.10 (only very annoying issue is bug 1021471)
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Container
[15:12] <stgraber>    - Pushed all the Ubuntu delta in a git branch for merging upstream (100 commits)
[15:12] <stgraber>    - Started looking at getting the rest of our custom scripts and changes upstream too
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Release
[15:12] <stgraber>    - Started testing/fixing Edubuntu for 12.10 beta 1
[15:12] <stgraber>    - Updated post-image-to-tracker in ubuntu-archive-tools to support adding a note to builds
[15:12] <stgraber>    - Updated post-qa on cdimage to add a warning in the note field of oversized builds
[15:12] <stgraber>  - TODO
[15:13] <stgraber>    - 12.10 beta 1 release
[15:13] <stgraber>    - Some more LXC work based on notes from Plumbers
[15:13] <stgraber>    - Some ISO tracker work
[15:13] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:15] <slangasek> ogra_: +1 for hiding the boot partition from the desktop on Panda
[15:15] <ogra_> k
[15:15] <slangasek> stgraber: btw, can you send a trip report to the list about Plumbers?
[15:15] <ogra_> need to see if we have dosfstools available to set a label
[15:15] <ogra_> (else i need to pull it into flash-kernel-installer)
[15:16] <slangasek>  * short week due to labor day
[15:16] <slangasek>  * not nearly as much progress on XDG_RUNTIME_DIR as intended; mountall support is in the queue, but the new PAM module is not uploaded yet
[15:16] <slangasek>  * making some progress on multiarch SRU reviews: libart-lgpl accepted, libgnome being reviewed
[15:16] <slangasek>  * reviewing upstart stateful re-exec branch, helping polish for upstream merge
[15:16] <slangasek>  * working on getting Red Hat shim packaged, for our first-stage non-GPL SB bootloader
[15:16] <slangasek>  * Panda board Google OnAir session, tomorrow at 1400 UTC
[15:16] <slangasek>  * management sprint in Portland next week, Tue-Thu; expect me to be scarce
[15:16] <slangasek> (done)
[15:16] <slangasek> ogra_: hmm, how is the partition being created?  parted/partman should certainly be able to set a label
[15:16] <stgraber> slangasek: yep, meant to reply to Seth's e-mail to cover the sessions that Stefan and he didn't cover already. Will do that later today
[15:16] <slangasek> stgraber: ta
[15:16] <xnox> ogra_: wasn't there a magic hidden file you can touch to make $desktop not mount/show that partition
[15:17] <barry> short week due to labor day.  gwibber, gwibber, and more gwibber.  blueprints:
[15:17] <barry> foundations-q-python-version - all uncompleted work is postponed
[15:17] <barry> foundations-q-udd - unmilestoned
[15:17] <barry> foundations-q-python33 - nothing needed changing
[15:17] <barry> started working on updating python3 spreadsheet and evaluating work to be done for r-cycle
[15:17] <barry> done.
[15:17] <cjwatson> partman-basicfilesystems doesn't appear to be hooked up to set labels on FAT right now
[15:17] <ogra_> slangasek, i want it to be visible until flash-kernel-installer is run and then hide it on the actual installed system ... we used to do that by setting the label to SERVICE001 or some such (have tto check udisk rules for hidden names)
[15:17] <cjwatson> It probably wouldn't be that hard to hack into commit.d/format_basicfilesystems
[15:18] <slangasek> ogra_: I don't see any reason to make it visible even in the beginning
[15:18] <stokachu> * need to verify a couple sru's
[15:18] <ogra_> xnox, only on a per user base
[15:18] <xnox> ok.
[15:18] <ogra_> slangasek, so the user can edit the bootargs after writing the SD
[15:18] <slangasek> it's an internal detail of the system, I don't think users should be playing with it from the desktop
[15:19] <stokachu> * customer reported bugs are taking priority this week, starting to see an increase which could mean more customers or more bugs :\
[15:19] <stokachu> done
[15:19] <slangasek> ogra_: don't they have a place to do this under /etc/default now?
[15:19] <ogra_> after install we want that tro be done through flash-kernel and not directly ... before the user should eb able to edit the txt file to i.e. add a serial console entry
[15:19] <ogra_> oh, i havent heard of that
[15:19] <cjwatson> Short week; got back from holiday on Monday.
[15:19] <cjwatson> Cleaned up a good fraction of the outstanding ~ubuntu-archive bugs.
[15:19] <cjwatson> Pushed the libglew1.8 and libtiff5 transitions some of the way up the hill, prompted by various bits of NBS.
[15:19] <cjwatson> Fixed what I believe was the last major regression from the live-build apocalypse, namely a failure of livecd-rootfs to put iso-hybrid images in the right place.
[15:19] <cjwatson> Fixed a regression in my python-debian Python 3 port (Debian bug 686731).
[15:19] <cjwatson> Working on packaging GRUB 2.00, initially for Debian experimental but with the intention of requesting a feature freeze exception for 12.10.  Good news: it builds.  Bad news: no idea whether it works.
[15:19] <cjwatson> Various bits of assistance with 12.10 beta-1 preparation, e.g. bug 987418.  Frustrated at abject slowness of current desktop in kvm; makes it very difficult to work on installer bugs.
[15:19] <ogra_> i know that certain labels get ignored on a udev level though
[15:19] <cjwatson> Pushed a Launchpad branch which moves bug closure when accepting packages into an asynchronous job, eliminating timeouts.  There's a bit more work to do on this before it lands.
[15:19] <cjwatson> ..
[15:19] <slangasek> ogra_: heard of that> I thought you implemented it! :)
[15:20] <slangasek> (or were going to implement it)
[15:20] <ogra_> slangasek, /etc/default for hiding partitions from udsisk ?
[15:20] <slangasek> no, for letting users edit their boot arguments
[15:20] <ogra_> surely not :)
[15:20] <ogra_> slangasek, *before* installing the first partitioon of the SD needs to be visible for this
[15:20] <xnox> cjwatson: i'd love to try grub 2.00 to unlock luks =) would make the world better
[15:21] <ogra_> after installing (once it turned into a "boot rom" we want to hide it
[15:21] <slangasek> ogra_: I don't agree, I think this is a bad interface
[15:21] <cjwatson> Surely boot arguments should be done by preseeding the installer or something, not by expecting users to poke around manually
[15:21] <slangasek> what cjwatson said
[15:21] <xnox> well you can't =)
[15:21] <ogra_> hmm, k, that will require a ton of code to teach d-i about applying preseed options to u-boot setups then
[15:22] <xnox> becuase the most common change is boot into serial console or the screen. If you don't have one or the other, there is no way to change it on the panda
[15:22] <cjwatson> xnox: LUKS is indeed among the important features it brings
[15:22] <cjwatson> ogra_: But it would parallel what's done for GRUB, rather than being completely different
[15:22] <xnox> s/screen/graphical display/
[15:22] <stokachu> if i was a panda, what name would i be
[15:22] <slangasek> ogra_: this may not be high enough priority to get it all fixed this cycle, but I think you should be working towards a correct design rather than spending cycles on making the partition visible in the beginning and hidden later
[15:22] <ogra_> cjwatson, but it wont help :)
[15:23] <ogra_> how would i add preseed args ?
[15:23] <ogra_> either by ediuting the preseed.cfg on the actual installer partition ... or by changing bootargs, no ?
[15:23] <ogra_> i'm talking about the image before any installer runs or anything
[15:24] <slangasek> are you talking about how users would edit the boot partition when the SD card is inserted into a different machine than the install target?
[15:24] <ogra_> i.e. if i want to turn a normal d-i install into a serial one ... i need to set console= ...
[15:25] <ogra_> i'm talking about dd'ing the image to an SD, then re-plugging the SD and editing the txt file that holds the bootarg line to change something
[15:25] <xnox> slangasek: download .img from ubuntu.com; write it into sd card; re-instert sd card -> change bootargs to serial; put sd-card into panda, hook up serial => install.
[15:25] <xnox> this is how I installed it.
[15:25] <ogra_> so i can add preseed options etc
[15:25] <ogra_> right
[15:25] <xnox> after the install the sd-card became a boot floppy and no longer can serve the purpose of installing anything.
[15:25] <ogra_> the only prob here is that the partition is still visible *after* installation (and gets atuomounted)
[15:25] <slangasek> xnox: well, I know how to install a panda, but it didn't occur to me that someone doing this would care about the default visibility of the boot partition on their x86 desktop :)
[15:25] <xnox> so it's /boot shouldn't show up.
[15:26] <ogra_> i would only liuke to fix the "after install" part
[15:26] <ogra_> xnox, well, its no /boot thats the point
[15:26] <cjwatson> If there's no way to edit installer boot arguments, I'd speculate that new UI in the installer would be better than expecting people to do it by hand
[15:26] <slangasek> ok, so that makes more sense - sorry for misunderstanding
[15:26] <ogra_> ist the equivalent of a BIOS on SD
[15:26] <slangasek> cjwatson: I think this is about setting boot arguments /for booting the installer/
[15:26] <xnox> slangasek: the point is that on the x86 desktop the "internal" partitions don't show up already.
[15:26] <slangasek> anyway, let's move on
[15:27] <cjwatson> Ah
[15:27] <slangasek> #topic Bugs
[15:27] <ogra_> yeah
[15:27] <ogra_> slangasek has it :)
[15:27] <stokachu> multi-arch SRUS!
[15:27] <stokachu> thats all im gonna say
[15:27] <slangasek> ogra_: right - sorry for misunderstanding initially
[15:27] <slangasek> stokachu: working on it!
[15:27] <stokachu> slangasek: lol thank you :D
[15:27] <ogra_> well, i probably explained it not good enough :)
[15:28] <ogra_> (since everyone misunderstood)
[15:28] <stokachu> slangasek: i did get your update to libart for precise, ill need to verify that this week
[15:29] <bdmurray> a new one that came in recently is bug 1045579
[15:29] <bdmurray> I'm happy to work on it, I'm just not positive of the best way of fixing this.
[15:32] <slangasek> bdmurray: the issue seems to be that the editor isn't using the right case for the option name, leading to a conffile prompt, yes?
[15:32] <bdmurray> slangasek: correct it writes it as prompt instead of Prompt
[15:33] <slangasek> bdmurray: so a) fix software-properties to set the option correctly, b) add a Breaks: from ubuntu-release-upgrader-core to older versions of software-properties that don't include this fix, c) include a one-time fix-up in the preinst of ubuntu-release-upgrader-core that fixes the case of any entry in the file on disk
[15:34] <bdmurray> slangasek: got it thanks
[15:34] <slangasek> bdmurray: how are we doing on our rls-q-tracking bugs?
[15:35] <bdmurray> bug 1045588 was tagged rls-q-incoming and I think the tag should just be removed as this has always been the case afaik
[15:36] <slangasek> really?  I didn't think any kernels were getting auto-removed
[15:36] <bdmurray> I believe that during a dist-upgrade the kernel from the old distribution will be in the removal list
[15:36] <slangasek> marked rls-q-notfixing
[15:36] <bdmurray> and that is what micah is referring to
[15:37] <slangasek> however, it is a bug, and ties in to infinity's spec regarding proper kernel autoremoval, so assigning to him
[15:37] <slangasek> (for "later")
[15:38] <bdmurray> we have quite a few bugs in the rls-q-tracking list
[15:38] <bdmurray> one bug 1017001 is critical and I wonder if it still should be
[15:38] <slangasek> we can probably drop it to high
[15:39] <slangasek> it was 'critical' as a flag that it might make 12.04.1 blow up, and it didn't
[15:39] <bdmurray> we have a test case though and are in a position to fix it. correct?
[15:39] <slangasek> we don't have a reduced test case
[15:40] <slangasek> anyway, it's still assigned to infinity (for precise), he should be working on it when his kidneys recover from Plumbers
[15:43] <slangasek> stgraber, ogra_, xnox: you all have high-importance bugs on that list; are they on your radar?
[15:43] <slangasek> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:43] <ogra_> yes
[15:43] <slangasek> [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:43] <slangasek> hmph
[15:43] <slangasek> bug #946406 #1027648 #1037757 #154086 #984276 #1015567 #974284
[15:44] <slangasek> bug #1027648 bug #1037757 bug #154086 bug #984276 bug #1015567 bug #974284
[15:45] <xnox> yes. working more at ubiquity/partman. the dpkg one I was meant to look at together with infinity, but that slipped.
[15:45] <slangasek> ok
[15:45]  * ogra_ just closed 1037757
[15:46] <ogra_> missed to close it from changelog
[15:46] <slangasek> ogra_: ah, hurray :)
[15:46] <slangasek> stgraber: how about your bugs from that list? :)
[15:46] <slangasek> 946406, 974284
[15:47] <stgraber> slangasek: I just got rid of one of them and dhclient is on my todo
[15:47] <cjwatson> shall I take that coreutils sort -u bug?  it appears to have upstream patches
[15:47] <slangasek> stgraber: got rid of by fixing, or by unassigning yourself? ;)
[15:48] <stgraber> slangasek: the race condition is well, a race condition... need to spend some more time on it...
[15:48] <stgraber> slangasek: I had an ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu bug on that list which got fixed but not closed
[15:48] <slangasek> stgraber: ah, ok
[15:49] <slangasek> cjwatson: please
[15:49] <cjwatson> slangasek: can I do your TIL merge at the same time? :)
[15:49] <slangasek> cjwatson: feel free :)
[15:50] <cjwatson> seeing as you did the NMU I suspect our delta is about to shrink
[15:50]  * cjwatson wonders why avahi is on the foundations list
[15:50] <slangasek> did I?  I guess it should be down to just the gettext:any build-dep now
[15:50] <slangasek> because $reason
[15:51] <slangasek> avahi is the networky bits as much as anything
[15:51] <ogra_> you can use it without desktop :)
[15:51] <cjwatson> I guess
[15:53] <slangasek> bug #433897 has a proposed fix
[15:53] <slangasek> bdmurray: would it make sense / be much trouble to highlight linked branches on the rls-q-tracking report?
[15:54] <cjwatson> 433897> I'm very wary, will need to think about it
[15:55] <cjwatson> I do know there's a problem but the races here are insanely delicate
[15:55] <slangasek> cjwatson: ack
[15:55] <slangasek> not suggesting a blind upload :)
[15:55] <slangasek> do you want me to assign that one to you?
[15:55] <cjwatson> And I don't think I buy the initramfs-tools proposal
[15:55] <cjwatson> Yeah
[15:55] <bdmurray> slangasek: I think it, and patches, makes sense.  If we don't check the branch package it should be easy.
[15:55] <slangasek> oh, also, should it even be on our list?  this seems to have bypassed the nomination process by virtue of a community member targeting it to quantal
[15:56] <cjwatson> 433897 you mean?  we ought to fix it really, it's foundations-induced damage and it annoys a lot of people
[15:56] <cjwatson> even if it bypassed the process
[15:56] <slangasek> bdmurray: if it's easy to do, I think that'd be great to have
[15:56] <bdmurray> slangasek: bryce targetted it I believe
[15:56] <slangasek> cjwatson: I agree, just wanted to make sure we explicitly evaluated
[15:57] <slangasek> bdmurray: ah, then we shall harrass him about not following the process :)
[15:58] <slangasek> I think that's probably as much time as it's useful to spend on that list for today, then
[15:58] <bdmurray> next week we should visit the team assigned ones then
[15:59] <slangasek> bdmurray: unless there are any in particular that you think have stagnated and warrant a call-out right now?
[15:59] <slangasek> bdmurray: right, I'm actually going through and un-assigning the team from these so they'll all show as unassigned instead of being a mix
[16:00] <bdmurray> slangasek: nothing to call-out
[16:00] <slangasek> (so we can review the whole set of unassigned ones, in that case)
[16:00] <slangasek> bdmurray: ok, cool - thanks
[16:00] <slangasek> #topic AOB
[16:00] <slangasek> anything else?
[16:02] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Sep  5 16:02:07 2012 UTC.
[16:02] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-05-15.03.moin.txt
[16:02] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-05-15.03.html
[16:02] <slangasek> clearly not :)
[16:02] <slangasek> thanks, guys
[16:02] <barry> thanks!
[16:02] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:05] <xnox> thanks.
[16:05] <ogra_> thx


[20:23] <diraol> Hi friends, I'm trying to download my files from ubuntuone but it is not working.
[20:23] <diraol> The download starts but it "crashes" before downloading the full zip file, so I got a "damaged zip file".
[20:24] <diraol> How can I access all my files to download "folder by folder" (so I have a small file to download and less chances of a bad download)
[20:27] <beuno> diraol, we'll deploy a change in the next 30 minutes
[20:27] <beuno> that lets you download files individually
[20:27] <diraol> beuno: Thanks!!!! Good to hear that! ;)
[20:39] <beuno> diraol, should be live
[20:40] <diraol> beuno, wonderfull, it's working!


 do I have this on android 9 to work?
 @Javacookies [Despite the issues and missing functionalities, I'm using it now for most activi …], Would you be willing to say what the issues are and what functionality is not working on the Lenovo M10 Tab?
 they're all here ;) … https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/lenovo-tab-m10-fhd-plus/lenovo-x606/-/issues
 hmm, can actually get one new for around 180 euros
 it's new so it's easy to find
 @Javacookies [they're all here ;) … https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/lenovo-t …], Ah, thanks for that.
 Theres a very familiar name attached to those issues, thansk for raising them.
 [Edit] Theres a very familiar name attached to those issues, thanks for raising them.
 I basically spammed the issues list 😆
 Its good, Im glad there is some interest in this device.
 it's nice experiencing UT on a tablet 😄
 Would you say this is further along than the pinetab?  Theres really only a handful for tablets available for UT adoption.
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/pinetab/
 I think it's a bit unfair … pine devices are all still in very early development … and the specs differences are quite big
 I have no pinettab but it seems that Lenovo M10 has more things working
 (Voice, 7s) https://irc.ubports.com/hxgFMOd4.oga
 @T_Estes83 [<reply to media>], Excuse me?
 Pocket malfunction I think 😜
 My aunt is the worst one for that
[09:33] <ubptgbot> veekay254 was added by: veekay254
 Hi guys! Few months back, I installed uTouch on my redmi note 7 using ubports. it had a "no mobile network" issue. So I got back to MIUI again. it's been a while and I've been too busy to read more on this  But it seems now that error is fixed. Is that so? I'd love to move to linux on my phone as well as a permanent driver. I'm smart en
[09:42] <ubptgbot> ough to do this using Ubports and adjust later. But I'm too noob to do flashing and everything manually. lol   … Anyway, are those issues fixed?
 @humbl3one [Hi guys! Few months back, I installed uTouch on my redmi note 7 using ubports. i …], Was this a US carrier issue?
 @humbl3one [Hi guys! Few months back, I installed uTouch on my redmi note 7 using ubports. i …], Redmi Note 7 has become very popular but seems to have some issues. Joining the forum thread on that device would be an efficient way to identify and resolve problems. This group is general and specifics get buried fast
 @Stereofont [Redmi Note 7 has become very popular but seems to have some issues. Joining the …], okay. I'll try to get my answers there. Thankyou
 @humbl3one [okay. I'll try to get my answers there. Thankyou], You will also find answers there to problems you didn't know existed, as well as expected timescales for some fixes. Installs we try to help with in WelcomePlus
 i have redmi note 7 too
[11:27] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Stereofont [Redmi Note 7 has become very popular but seems to have some issues. Joining the …], I have no cellular nor calls issue with Redmi Note 7. Here's my latest statement: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/6026/redmi-note-7-state-of-play/1
 @Steve Kueffer [I have no cellular nor calls issue with Redmi Note 7. Here's my latest statement …], very helpful. read the article. it seems it'll work as a daily driver. I think most of the issues that i faced are fixed now (nextwork, problem reading sim, hotspot, mobile data, etc). Will move to ubT in sometime. Thankyou.
[11:57] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @humbl3one [very helpful. read the article. it seems it'll work as a daily driver. I think m …], 👍😉
 Hi. I have just enabled ssh on my Xperia X. All was fine. However, the strange result after a few minutes is that I lost DNS resolving when in sudo. Without sudo - no problem ;) What might be causing this?
 what do you mean "dns resolving when in sudo"
 [Edit] what do you mean "dns resolving when in sudo"?
 And "why are you messing with sudo at all"? 👀
 @Fuseteam [what do you mean "dns resolving when in sudo"?], phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ping -c 3 dir.bg … PING dir.bg (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data. … 64 bytes from dir.bg (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=4.66 ms … 64 bytes from dir.bg (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=2 ttl=59 time=11.3 ms … 64 bytes from dir.bg (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_
[12:09] <ubptgbot> seq=3 ttl=59 time=11.0 ms
 however: … sudo ping -c 3 dir.bg … [sudo] password for phablet: … ping: unknown host dir.bg
 ah that, i don't think that's related to ssh at all
 @Stereofont [And "why are you messing with sudo at all"? 👀], Because I need to install java jre.
 @Fuseteam [ah that, i don't think that's related to ssh at all], Not related. I am just using ssh to access the phone.
 you don't want to install java jre in the rootfs trust me
 [Edit] you don't want to install java jre in the rootfs, trust me
 Sure, but I can't do anything with sudo and networking anyway ;)
 at least if you intent to make use of ota updates, that jre will likely be wiped from the phone on update
 it was working and stopped...
 i would recommend checking if libertine can fit your needs
 @Fuseteam [at least if you intent to make use of ota updates, that jre will likely be wiped …], No, I don't think I will use ota at the moment. But - yes - I agree, shouldn't be on the rootfs
 it has networking support and everything is unprivileged
 I think the problem is not related to the java installation. I will flash the devel version now, just to repeat the steps and check if the sudo dns issue happens again ;) I won't install java.
 @Fuseteam [i would recommend checking if libertine can fit your needs], Thanks. I will check that now.
 @Fuseteam [it has networking support and everything is unprivileged], Like attaching a megaphone to your content…
 @Stereofont [Like attaching a megaphone to your content…], interesting 🤔
 Same thing: … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo ping -c 3 google.com … [sudo] password for phablet: … ping: unknown host google.com
 :)
 i don't have the issue btw ;)
 It repeated to me on a different Xperia X a week ago. Strange. … Ok. I will flash with full erase of user data as well. … The 2nd problem on this particular device is that Wifi doesn't autoconnect to the known network after reboot. I have to manually select, enter password and it works. But adds it a separate connection.
 (Photo, 952x752) https://irc.ubports.com/V0KrtmV4.png
 that could be device specific
 yes, I guess so. let me try full erase.
 After full userdata erase: … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo ping -c 3 <IP_ADDRESS> … [sudo] password for phablet: … socket: Permission denied
 hmm
 @bisbg [It repeated to me on a different Xperia X a week ago. Strange. … Ok. I will flash …], I don't have that issue on my Xperia X … although I think that issue happens in most devices but only from time to time
 Ok...Found the issue! … You can read about it here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/868590/ping-socket-permission-denied
 I added to /etc/group: … inet:x:3003:root … net_raw:x:3004:root … and all works well now.
 i dunno what you did man, but i feel you the installer doesn't even recognize my bqe5 anymore 😂
 Ubuntu touch support Vidio call telgtay?
 [Edit] Ubuntu touch support Vidio call telegram
 [Edit] Ubuntu touch support Vidio call telegram?
 no, teleports is the only native telegram client, and it doesn't support video calls yet
 even if it did, right now there are no background services so teleports would need to be open to get notified about video calls
 @Muhrhy [Ubuntu touch support Vidio call telegram?], The most it can do at the moment is audio messages
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/2FOSbWUQ.png anbox on vnc on the bq e5 probably … — some confused guy
 (Photo, 1280x819) https://irc.ubports.com/J2DI9S0I.png desktop version … — same confused guy
[13:37] <ubptgbot> cozyWhiteBear was added by: cozyWhiteBear
 What? … —another confused guy
 No idea … - a confused girl
[13:51] <ubptgbot> apparker Andenberg was added by: apparker Andenberg
 yes anbox over vnc … — the confused guy
 [Edit] yes anbox over vnc, both pictures are vnc connections to the same instance … — the confused guy
 "There must be some way out of here"Said the joker to the thief / "There's too much confusion / I can't get no relief
 [Edit] "There must be some way out of here" … Said the joker to the thief  … "There's too much confusion  … I can't get no relief
 [Edit] "There must be some way out of here" … Said the joker to the thief  … "There's too much confusion  … I can't get no relief"
 @Fuseteam [yes anbox over vnc, both pictures are vnc connections to the same instance … — the …], anbox runs on your PC, andyour bq E5 connects via VNC?
 @Javacookies [anbox runs on your PC, andyour bq E5 connects via VNC?], yes, something like that
 anbox is actually running in a docker-container on my PC
 [Edit] anbox is actually running in a docker container on my PC
 and i have connected to it from both my pc and my bq e5 over vnc (tho not simulataneously)
[14:03] <ubptgbot> JonatasGoncalves was added by: JonatasGoncalves
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], It is usable or just "because we can"😂?
 Hello! … Anyone know where i can download Ubports GSI image? … Github link is Broken
 @TronFortyTwo [It is usable or just "because we can"😂?], seems usuable on the desktop
 that's a multi-level mess 😆
 @TronFortyTwo [It is usable or just "because we can"😂?], [Edit] seems usuable on the desktop just found it here: github.com/aind-containers/aind
 maybe it's an issue with your vnc servver
 no idea, i ain't no vnc expert :P
 i have no idea how the resolution is even set on there
 @JonatasGoncalves [Hello! … Anyone know where i can download Ubports GSI image? … Github link is Broke …], The UBports GSI is no longer available, sorry. You can learn about porting Ubuntu Touch to your device at docs.ubports.com/porting
 listen to that admin dood, he knows what he's talking about :3
 ow no...😢
 i know port. but is a lot of work...
 i will try it...
 I already ported the image to my RN4X. … But I wanted a GSI for the A8 +, to avoid all this work of downloading the entire base again to build.
 what went wrong with GSI?
[14:16] <ubptgbot> <apparker Andenberg> WOOOW!!!!!!! BIGGEST NEWS GUYS FROM MUUUUSSKKKKK!!! … https://bit.ly/3v6RSR7
 @Javacookies [what went wrong with GSI?], The infrastructure to update it was not built.
[14:27] <HengYeDev[m]> <ubptgbot "<apparker Andenberg> WOOOW!!!!!!"> what happened here
[14:28] <HengYeDev[m]> wait is deleted in tg
 eh?
[16:38] <ubptgbot> tukmol kulapu was added by: tukmol kulapu
[16:39] <ubptgbot> <tukmol kulapu> his ubuntu in redminote7?
 @tukmol kulapu [his ubuntu in redminote7?], Yes. See the devices page
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 @TronFortyTwo [It is usable or just "because we can"😂?], actually it seems very usuable, i'll test it later vnc from one computer to another
 @TronFortyTwo [It is usable or just "because we can"😂?], [Edit] actually it seems very usuable, i'll test it later vnc from one computer to another and perhaps on another phone :3
[17:36] <ubptgbot> elstellino was added by: elstellino
 @gibcheesepuffs [ok please let me know when you test it], Update: i will test it this weekend with two different simcards. I will keep you posted.
 Hello, would Ubuntu Touch for Redmi Note 7 run on Redmi Note 6 Pro?
 No
[17:47] <grumbel> Is there any easy way to get a new compiler for UBPorts? I tried ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/ppa, which works an amd64, but fails on all other architectures
 @grumbel [Is there any easy way to get a new compiler for UBPorts? I tried ppa:ubuntu-tool …], compiler for what? you're trying to install a compiler on UT on a phone?
 @UniversalSuperBox [No], well, pity.  … Thanks for the answer
 lol and the post was just pinned too 😂
 [Edit] lol and the post about supported devices was just pinned too 😂
 i wish people would at least read the group description lol
 to be honest, I never notice the pinned message … maybe because TELEports doesn't have it yet or they're just easy to miss
[18:00] <grumbel> dohbee: on clickable for compiling ubports packages
[18:00] <grumbel> ubports being stuck on 16.04 means the c++ compiler is pretty old
 @grumbel [dohbee: on clickable for compiling ubports packages], no you can't change the c++ compiler on 16.04 for building apps i guess. it will cause problems if you do
 what are you trying to build that can't compile with gcc 5?
[18:03] <grumbel> Anything C++17/20
 @Javacookies [to be honest, I never notice the pinned message … maybe because TELEports doesn't …], probably the former, but for some asking about support they are likely on android/desktop anyway :P
 @Fuseteam [actually it seems very usuable, i'll test it later vnc from one computer to anot …], 👍👍
 @Fuseteam [i wish people would at least read the group description lol], well, I did. And I come from the website that I have been reading for the last 40 minutes. … In fact, I asked if the system for Redmi Note 7 (which I know was available because it was in the website) was compatible with 6 too. 😉
 but don't wonder why we have that list? like it was compatible it would be on list doncha think xD
 No. I don’t think things I don’t know, I ask, sorry if you felt offended or somethingç
 [Edit] No.  And I come from the website that I have been reading for the last 4 …], Nope images are never compatible with other phones
 They are often very different
 @amyosx [Nope images are never compatible with other phones], thank you Amy
 @elstellino [No. I don’t think things I don’t know, I ask, sorry if you felt offended or some …], nah tis just that we get this question like every other day
 it is kinda tiring when the same people have to give the same answer, which means we need to improve the website to make things more clear
 sometimes I feel like crashed webview doesn't release its memory...
[19:15] <ubptgbot> Suparmanto Brubaker-Ellis was added by: Suparmanto Brubaker-Ellis
 Am I imagining things or did offline charging for Volla Phone get fixed in the latest RC??  Thanks to whoever in the UBports team get this fixed!
 i think it was fixed yes
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/DEnXkMl3.webp
 or well, "improved" at least
 @dohbee [or well, "improved" at least], It works for me!
[19:27] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Very good new indeed! My spouse will be happy! I'm wondering if off-line charging will also apply to other Halium 9 devices (?)
 (Sticker, 512x281) https://irc.ubports.com/XZYio178.webp
 I would figure this fix should work for other Halium 9 devices like Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 - only way to tell is to update to RC channel.
[19:30] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> 👍
 [Edit] I would figure this fix should work for other Halium 9 devices like Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 - only way to tell is to update to RC channel and test it.
 Thank GAWD the rc promotion worked finally
 @Steve Kueffer [Very good new indeed! My spouse will be happy! I'm wondering if off-line chargin …], No. Only the Volla Phone, it is including a change that has not been approved for merge to other devices.
[19:51] <ubptgbot> <Suparmanto Brubaker-Ellis> SUPER! BIGGEST NEWS GUYYS FROM TEESLAA!!! … https://bit.ly/3eqly5j
 @UniversalSuperBox [No. Only the Volla Phone, it is including a change that has not been approved fo …], can I see the change as well please?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/OPDg0yhm.mp4
 @gibcheesepuffs [can I see the change as well please?], https://github.com/Halium/initramfs-tools-halium/pull/28
 Somebody install in redmi note 7???
 I'll download vendor again
 Thanks
 @gibcheesepuffs [Thanks], please don't add it like Notkit did. You can get your charger mode stuff ready for the merge in OTA-18, but I'd prefer not to have many changes near the end of OTA-17. We've got a couple things to fix up then it's time for the call for testing.
 @PC0306 [Somebody install in redmi note 7???], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/lavender/
 Please don't do what this other person just did
 Nice
 @UniversalSuperBox [please don't add it like Notkit did. You can get your charger mode stuff ready f …], got it
 Screenshot??
 Of what?
 during installation, the first time you have the phone turned on, and in fastboot mode ??
 @amyosx [Of what?], Ubuntu touch in your device
 have another method of installation
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/WP3HOcYG.png
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/62vf07T5.png
 Samsung?
 redmi note 7
 Try windows 10
 @UniversalSuperBox [redmi note 7], Ah
 Then why is their heimdall
 Wth?
 We've been working in the welcome room, but I guess not fast enough
 @PC0306 [<reply to media>], Please use the report a bug function
 the application does not recognize the cell phone
 @UniversalSuperBox [We've been working in the welcome room, but I guess not fast enough], ok
 @amyosx [Ah], amy halp we're going crazy in @welcomeplus
 Wish I could spontaneously upgrade the M10's RAM to 16GB.
 download more ram
 download.more/ram :^3
 [Edit] https://download.more/ram :^3
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/TKFSnd2Y.png
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/klkrzaYK.png notice something unexpected?
 it's downloadmoreram.com
 look closer at the tabs :p
 [Edit] look closer at the tabs :^p
[21:46] <ubptgbot> Đó was added by: Đó
 lol you're a collector
 lol kinda xD
 [Edit] lol kinda x^D
 SUPER! ELLONE MUSK ANNNOUNCED BIGGEST NEWS!!! https://bit.ly/3xh9bki
 heroku might be my saviour.
 so I was able to install ubuntu recovery
 @TartanSpartan [heroku might be my saviour.], how?
 @PC0306 [so I was able to install ubuntu recovery], yay
 return to miui
 I think the error is in vendor.img, it may be corrupted
 did you extract like dalton asked?
 i can't remember if that was a vendor.img
 oh maybe try this
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/dyPXNehF.7z
 [Edit] oh maybe try this!
 ^^ @PC0306
 Hi


[07:50] <lordievader> Good morning
[13:50] <hexa-> is there a dedicated channel for ubuntu cloud images?
[13:52] <hexa-> the focal .ova images don't support passing meta-data to cloud-init, so I'm a bit at a loss on how to influence network configuration in the guest
[14:17] <frickler> jamespage: coreycb: ^^ do you know something or know someone who could?
[14:26] <rbasak> hexa-: isn't an ova supposed to encapsulate everything? Why are you using ova if you want to break through that encapsulation?
[14:27] <hexa-> rbasak: ova offers properties that can be set from the outside, e.g. `user-data`, but not `meta-data`. I'm not sure how that counts as breaking through any encap?
[14:27] <hexa-> https://paste.lossy.network/XYDQ
[14:28] <hexa-> so I can configure users etc. via cloud-init, but not networking
[14:29] <hexa-> the reason we need to touch networking at all is because these machines will have no dhcp, but only slaac. But as it is now terraform times out.
[14:31] <rbasak> I see.
[14:32] <rbasak> In a cloud platform environment, the contents of "meta-data" are supposed to come from the platform. I'm not sure how that maps to a local platform.
[14:33] <rbasak> This might be related to cloud-init's platform detection stuff, so maybe #cloud-init would be a better place to ask.
[14:33] <hexa-> oh, right. This is a vsphere cluster.
[14:35] <hexa-> yup, and ultimately I can see user-data land in /var/lib/cloud/, but no meta-data at all.
[14:35] <hexa-> will try #cloud-init, thanks
[19:27] <ShellcatZero> Has anyone here created encrypted AMIs on EC2 without using KMS? I would be curious to see the AMI or script that accomplishes this.
[19:27] <ShellcatZero> A scripted solution using KMS would also be interesting to see.


[18:49] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:23] <Atamira> mornin
[21:14] <ajmitch> morning
[21:43] <thumper> morning
[21:50] <mwhudson> morning
[22:54] <timClicks> morning
[22:57] <Atamira> you made it with 1 min to spare