[00:00] <Kurdistan> nobody awake?
[01:29] <Vulto> Does anybody here participate of the translations ?
[01:29] <Vulto> I mean, of lxde itself
[01:30] <Vulto> <hope that's not off-topic:
[01:30] <Vulto> :)
[02:14] <stephen_> Hey, how do you look at the hard disk in lubuntu?
[02:16] <stephen_> Its usually under the Places menu in Ubuntu, but I can't find it in Lubuntu.
[02:16] <stephen_> anybody out there?
[02:26] <stringarray> I installed lubuntu in an older laptop dual boot with win XP, but grub never appears, XP boots directly, partitions are there, how do I get grub to work?
[02:50] <stringarray> aha! the /boot partition was not created
[03:14] <phillw> stringarray: that would be a documented case of grub and XP not getting along.
[03:15] <phillw> !grub2 | stringarray
[03:21] <stringarray> maybe the installation is not completing, I'm installing from a usb stick, the progress bar reaches 15% and the laptop turns off, will try again tomorrow
[03:37] <phillw> okies stringarray do let us know how you get on, as we'd hate a final stable release to be broken.
[03:41]  * phillw waves to to Tir_Eoghan
[03:44] <Tir_Eoghan> greetings phil
[05:29] <Tir_Eoghan> wait, the final 10.10 is released, how did I miss that
[06:01] <Glapo> Hey, I have lubuntu 10.04 on a laptop and if I plug in a second monitor how would I enable it to mirror mode?
[06:54] <Glapo> Hey, anyone know how to change your video driver?
[10:38] <phillw> hyperair: will you sit still :p
[10:38] <hyperair> sorry, ran out of battery =p
[10:38] <phillw> it happens to all of us !!
[10:39] <hyperair> what happens?
[10:51] <phillw> batteries running out, that's why piglet is plugged in 24/7
[10:51] <phillw> phillw@piglet:~$
[10:52] <bioterror> how cute name for a computer ;)
[10:53] <phillw> bioterror: I loved the film babe, with the sheep herding piglet.... yeah, so I'm daft.
[10:56] <floating> question about installing grub2
[10:56] <floating> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:57] <floating> there is a mention 'replace /dev/sda with location you want to install GRUB on.' ... I don't exactly understand where I want to install it. A bit earlier there is a mention that 'Note the designation for the disk /dev/sda which you will be using later,' but nothing else
[10:58] <bioterror> you should install it to the MBR of the hard rive
[10:58] <floating> for me, my linux ext4 with / mount point is at /dev/sda5 .. should I use that when I run sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/0d104aff-ec8c-44c8-b811-92b993823444 /dev/sda5 <- like that
[10:58] <bioterror> drive
[10:58] <bioterror> just /dev/sda
[10:58] <floating> ok
[10:58] <bioterror> some can correct if I'm wrong
[10:58] <bioterror> but I've installed my grub to /dev/sda and I ve a dual booting laptop at home (my worklaptop)
[10:59] <floating> it would make sense, since in the example he finds the linux at /dev/sda2 and then runs /dev/sda
[10:59] <bioterror> yes
[11:04] <floating> okay.. I could re-install grub2, but it did not find my windows partition
[11:16] <Kurdistan> lubuntu-bang bang
[11:17] <bioterror> I read "lubuntu gang bang" :D
[11:17] <Kurdistan> haha bioterror :P
[11:17] <szczur> naughty bioterror :>
[11:17] <Kurdistan> lubuntu is so quik all other buntus seems old
[11:18] <bioterror> :-)
[11:18] <bioterror> they should remove the mouse logo from xfce and give it to lxde ;)
[11:18] <Kurdistan> bioterror :P lubuntu-spark
[11:19] <Kurdistan> xubuntu is okey but not fast like lubuntu
[11:19] <Kurdistan> in mine opinion same boot-time as ubuntu
[11:25] <Kurdistan> guys the new filesystem btrfs is it much faster and better then ext4
[11:25] <Kurdistan> ?
[11:27] <bioterror> oracle :o
[11:27] <Kurdistan> bioterror :P you mean it will never bee good or alive?
[11:27] <bioterror> hard to say
[11:28] <bioterror> I've seen that rats are fleeing from the sinking ship ;)
[11:28] <bioterror> Sun Microsystems was opensource-minded corporation, Oracle is not
[11:29] <Kurdistan> bioterror oracle cares about money
[11:29] <bioterror> yeah
[11:29] <floating> Ok. I got my booting issue solved now. lubuntu10.10 does not come with os-prober installed, and when running update-grub (or update-grub2) the grub-mkconfig responsible does not find windows XP since it uses os-prober. So I installed os-prober on my lubuntu and ran update-grub and I got it back
[11:30] <Kurdistan> floating you could also try startupmanager
[11:31] <Kurdistan> good that you solved your issue
[11:33] <floating> ya^^
[11:40] <mark76> I found out why PCManFM wasn't drawing the desktop properly
[11:40] <Kurdistan> to be honest I use lubuntu lucid and its lts
[11:40] <Kurdistan> dont need to hurry up
[11:41] <Kurdistan> I have tried both ubuntu and lubuntu maverick
[11:41] <Kurdistan> It is not faster
[11:41] <Kurdistan> so I stick with lucid
[11:43] <mark76> Fair enough
[11:45] <Kurdistan> :) when ubuntu comes with gnome 3.0 I will give it a try
[11:46] <mark76> That seems to be a long way off
[11:46] <Kurdistan> yeah half year :P
[11:46] <Kurdistan> I survive
[11:46] <mark76> Possibly Querulous Quagga
[11:46] <Kurdistan> who knows if lubuntu keeps the good work I will stick with lubuntu
[11:47] <mark76> Knowing the glacial pace of Gnome development
[11:47] <mark76> The new theme is pretty nice
[11:48] <Kurdistan> in lubuntu or ubuntu?
[11:48] <mark76> Lubuntu
[11:48] <mark76> Lots of blue
[11:48] <Kurdistan> yeah and the old one to :P
[11:49] <mark76> Did it have a theme before Maverick? I can't say I noticed
[11:49] <Kurdistan> yes it is almost the same
[11:49] <mark76> Got a picture?
[11:49] <Kurdistan> ubuntus new font is really good
[11:49] <mark76> It is
[11:49] <Kurdistan> ubuntu is over all really eyecandy
[11:50] <mark76> Yeah, it's getting to be quite nice looking
[11:50] <Kurdistan> mark76 you can see old picture of lubuntu in distrowatch
[11:50] <Kurdistan> the installation is much nicer with maverick
[11:51] <mark76> They changed the menu icon for a start
[11:51] <Kurdistan> yes
[11:51] <mark76> It's a circle with the pointy thing in it now
[11:51] <Kurdistan> I think when 11.04 comes out they will only place gnome 3.0 and some minor changes
[11:52] <bioterror> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/GNOME_Shell.png doenst look that good
[11:52] <Kurdistan> I hope the speed improves and btrfs become default
[11:52] <mark76> Also... Lubuntu Maverick has its own openbox theme. Rather than just using the Clearlooks one
[11:53] <mark76> LXDE needs a weather applet. For us Brits
[11:58] <Kurdistan> lxde needs to improve applets overall
[11:58] <Kurdistan> some of them looks terrible
[11:58] <mark76> Do me a favour, Kurdistan.  I have tried installing twice from usb and cd. Runs perfectly as live from both but when installed to hd there are lots of problems. Menu is empty of all programs, only Run and Logout entries and Run doesn't work. I can open pcmanfm and then open lxterminal. When I try connecting to wireless network manager quickly flashes up the screen to enter my password and then closes it. Don't understand why it runs as
[11:59] <jumpingclear> live but not installed. MD5sum was fine and cd passed checking.
[12:00] <mark76> So far the only problem I've had is with terminals. But that was solved
[12:00] <Kurdistan> lubuntu and lubuntu netbook
[12:00] <mark76> Ah. So you don't have an LXDE folder then
[12:01] <Kurdistan> mark76 you mean me?
[12:01] <Kurdistan> jumpingclear :) stick with lucid
[12:01] <mark76> I guess that only happens if you install Lubuntu as an alternative desktop
[12:01] <Kurdistan> perfect :P ten
[12:01] <Kurdistan> mark76 I have lubuntu as my default desktop
[12:02] <mark76> They removed the My Documents launcher in 10.10 you know
[12:02] <Kurdistan> yesterday I tried maverick out gnome/lxde and went back to lucid :)
[12:02] <mark76> Did you notice there was no icon on the desktop?
[12:03] <Kurdistan> mark76 I see
[12:03] <Kurdistan> mark76 didnt remenber then I hate have icons on the desktop
[12:03] <Kurdistan> like clean one better :)
[12:05] <Kurdistan> I wonder if I had sdd hd, lubuntu would start so fast that :) I can not even see the splash logo
[12:05] <Kurdistan> I am poor student
[12:05] <mark76> I like to have the Recycle Bin icon on the desktop in Xfce as the panel applet is pathetically tiny at small panel sizes
[12:05] <Kurdistan> xubuntu have good things to
[12:06] <Kurdistan> many xcfce things are really good
[12:06] <Kurdistan> there applet is nice overall
[12:07] <Kurdistan> but xubuntu is not light like lubuntu and fast
[12:07] <Kurdistan> that becuase xubuntu have more things in startup
[12:08] <Kurdistan> sudo sysv-rc-conf <<<<--- then this does not work under xubuntu
[12:08] <mark76> True
[12:08] <Kurdistan> yesterday I tried xubuntu, lubuntu and ubuntu
[12:08] <Kurdistan> only xubuntu that didnt let me use it after installation
[12:09] <mark76> I wonder why that was?
[12:09] <Kurdistan> bum is good but that command line you can do much more
[12:09] <Kurdistan> no clue
[12:09] <Kurdistan> sudo apt-get install sysv-rc-conf    <<--- if you want to install
[12:10] <Kurdistan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
[12:11] <mark76> Kartix?
[12:12] <Kurdistan> kartix?
[12:12] <Kurdistan> I always use that tool
[12:12] <Kurdistan> :) but If you want to use it remenber how it was default
[12:12] <Kurdistan> write down some where
[12:13] <Kurdistan> when I used ubuntu used that one to tweak
[12:13] <mark76> Okay
[12:13] <Kurdistan> ubuntu become much faster
[12:13] <Kurdistan> lubuntu is fast default and with some few tweaks it fly
[12:13] <Kurdistan> lm-sensors is preinstalled in ubuntu
[12:13] <Kurdistan> not in lubuntu
[12:14] <Kurdistan> it is important to know what unmarke
[12:14] <mark76> I'm going to make lunch
[12:14] <mark76> BBL :-)
[12:14] <Kurdistan> :) do that. which you nice meal.
[12:14] <mark76> I'm not so much into tweaking
[12:15] <mark76> Bye for now
[12:15] <Kurdistan> :) ok bye
[13:42] <|friTTe|> i need someones opinion =) might skip my Ubu 10.04 from my main desktop and go with Lubu any toughts? im not using any of these fancy gfx stuff
[13:52] <leszek> hi
[13:54] <|friTTe|> leszek,  hi =)
[13:55] <Kurdistan> hey guys
[13:56] <|friTTe|> hey
[14:03] <Kurdistan> lubuntu-bang-bang-bomb
[14:13] <leszek> encoding a new lubuntu screencast right now ;)
[14:13] <leszek> its about upgrading lubuntu 10.04 to 10.10
[14:13] <Kurdistan> :) leszek nice
[14:14] <Kurdistan> http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[14:15] <Kurdistan> take a look leszek
[14:15] <Kurdistan> you can make screencast about how to get normal/default splash after installation closed drivers
[14:16] <Kurdistan> somebody here testing the new filesystem?
[14:18] <leszek> Kurdistan: without reading the articel isn't that just simply adding vga=794 to the bootprompt which should fix the splash thing ?
[14:18] <leszek> *article
[14:19] <Kurdistan> :) maybee it does
[14:19] <Kurdistan> becuase when I install nvidia proprietar drivers
[14:19] <Kurdistan> it looks like hell/ugly
[14:19] <Kurdistan> were do you put vga=794
[14:19] <Kurdistan> ?
[14:20] <leszek> Kurdistan: at the end of the default grub boot entry
[14:20] <leszek> nomodeset needs to be there too I guess for disabling nouveau
[14:20] <leszek> or modeset=0
[14:21] <leszek> updating the initrd.lz is necessary also , but I guess its a little bit simpler than your tutorial
[14:21] <Kurdistan> lezek what should be update in initrd.lz?
[14:22] <leszek> only the nomodeset / modeset=0
[14:22] <leszek> to disable nouveau
[14:23] <Kurdistan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/510882/
[14:23] <Kurdistan> you mean like that?
[14:25] <Kurdistan> leszek thats not mine tutorial :)
[14:26] <leszek> ah I thought so
[14:40] <leszek> bb
[14:42] <Kurdistan> brb
[14:58] <Kurdistan> lezcek it didnt work for me
[16:36] <Kurdistan> fritte jag såg din tråd på ubuntu.se
[16:41] <mark76> Hey nothingspecial
[16:41] <mark76> And |friTTel|
[16:41] <mark76> No. Don't like this font
[16:44] <Kurdistan> mark76 which one?
[16:45] <mark76> Ubiquity BRK
[16:45] <Kurdistan> oki
[16:46] <mark76> I'm trying out Mozilla's answer to Pidgin
[16:46] <Kurdistan> whats the name of mozillas answer to pidgin?
[16:46] <mark76> Instantbird
[16:46] <Kurdistan> I am not big fun of pidgin to be honest
[16:47] <mark76> I like to try new things :)
[16:47] <Kurdistan> nice mark76
[16:47] <Kurdistan> is it good?
[16:48] <mark76> It has no tray icon
[16:48] <Kurdistan> lol
[16:48] <mark76> Going to check see if there's a plugin
[16:48] <Kurdistan> I like emesene
[16:48] <Kurdistan> I dont use facebook
[16:48] <Kurdistan> etc
[16:48] <mark76> Too much of a one-trick pony
[16:49] <Kurdistan> :) I only use hotmail/msn
[16:49] <Kurdistan> mark76 why do you use lubuntu?
[16:50] <mark76> Because I'd get bored if I only had one DE
[16:51] <Kurdistan> If you ask me: I like ubuntu and I want my OS have big repo like ubuntu have. Then it is fast, light and stable.
[16:52] <mark76> Choice is good
[16:52] <Kurdistan> :) one day when I am bored and have alot of time I will try out arch or archbang. Buntu works good on this laptop. But rolling release is the thing.
[16:54] <mark76> That's up to you
[16:54] <Kurdistan> :) yeah linux is freedom
[16:55] <Kurdistan> I remenber when I used windows bunch of things to do
[16:55] <Kurdistan> defrag
[16:55] <Kurdistan> antivirus scan
[16:56] <Kurdistan> etc
[16:56] <Kurdistan> slow computer
[16:56] <Kurdistan> pirate life :)
[16:56] <Kurdistan> now with linux I am green and windows free
[16:57] <Kurdistan> :) I have learned more about my computer under ubuntu
[16:58] <Kurdistan> I dont play games on my laptop and was really tired of vista
[16:58] <mark76> That's cool :)
[16:58] <Kurdistan> cool or not but it was the best step
[16:59] <Kurdistan> most of the problems was hardware fauler or my stupidness
[17:00] <Kurdistan> ubuntu is user friendly and goes to the right direction
[17:00] <Kurdistan> will be OS for everybody not only geeks
[17:00] <Kurdistan> or people tired of mainstream os
[17:01] <mark76> Aye
[17:01] <mark76> BRB
[17:33] <Gjivan> Hey, Has anyone gotten intel8xx drivers working?
[17:34] <Gjivan> I am currenlty using vesa and I need to get an external miontor working.
[18:24] <Kurdistan> I guys something is really wrong with bootchart
[18:24] <Kurdistan> my laptop have never been faster
[18:24] <Kurdistan> the time I get does not match with my clock
[18:24] <Kurdistan> some bug?
[18:36] <zebastianortis> is it safe for me to upgrade through the upgrade manager?
[18:37] <zebastianortis> btw how do i check what version of lubuntu i have
[18:45] <Kurdistan> system profiler and benchmarker
[18:50] <friTTe|> omg got Xchat,chromium,ps3mediaserver up and running and using 250mb ram
[18:50] <Kurdistan> :)
[18:50] <Glapo72> nice!
[18:50] <Glapo72> i just solved my intel driver problem
[18:50] <Kurdistan> thats the good thing with lubuntu :)
[18:50] <Glapo72> on my laptop now i have an external monitor running
[18:51] <Glapo72> Lubuntu is awesome!
[18:51] <friTTe|> only thing i dont get to work is dualmonitor
[18:51] <Glapo72> Esepecially when you run a 5 year old laptop with a celeron m and i8xx haha
[18:51] <friTTe|> got the current nvidia driver now so im good for now
[18:51] <Glapo72> Oh nice
[18:51] <friTTe|> will use the monitor for my netbook
[18:51] <Glapo72> haha
[18:52] <Glapo72> What are you running lubuntu on?
[18:52] <Glapo72> dont ignore me :(
[18:55] <Kurdistan> fritte did you look to the link I gave you?
[18:55] <friTTe|> nope
[18:55] <friTTe|> on my other computer
[18:55] <friTTe|> i will check it later, need to grab some food now
[18:55] <Kurdistan> now my splash looks awesome
[18:55] <friTTe|> mine does too
[18:56] <friTTe|> =)
[18:56] <Kurdistan> bootchart <<<--- does not like lubuntu
[18:56] <Kurdistan> dont show correct time
[18:56] <friTTe|> hm ok
[18:57] <Kurdistan> it is more then 30-35 sec slower then ubuntu
[18:57] <Kurdistan> eat my short
[18:57] <zebastianortis> how do i get wine in lubuntu
[18:58] <Kurdistan> I know it is atleast with  tweaks and all that 8-10 sec faster at least
[18:58] <Kurdistan> zebastianortis go to synaptic and type wine
[18:58] <zebastianortis> i heard www.freedomainradio.com was the ubuntu of philosophy
[18:58] <zebastianortis> synaptic package manager?
[18:58] <Kurdistan> yes
[18:58] <zebastianortis> thanks kurdi
[18:59] <Kurdistan> or you can use the terminal with sudo apt-get install whateveryouwant :)
[18:59] <Kurdistan> zebastianortis are you new ubuntu user?
[18:59] <zebastianortis> why do you ask?
[19:00] <zebastianortis> are you a new freedomainradio listener?
[19:00] <zebastianortis> i met jonathan riddell myself
[19:00] <Kurdistan> I recommend you install software center
[19:00] <zebastianortis> in england
[19:00] <zebastianortis> in 2005
[19:00] <zebastianortis> software center?
[19:00] <Kurdistan> yes, much easier way of installing things
[19:00] <Kurdistan> and in 10.10 it has improved
[19:01] <zebastianortis> 10.10?
[19:01] <zebastianortis> wait i think i have 10.04
[19:01] <zebastianortis> how do i get ten ten
[19:01] <Kurdistan> :) you can make dist-upgrade or burn the livecd/use usb-stick
[19:02] <zebastianortis> will dist-upgrade keep my files intact
[19:02] <zebastianortis> like they were my girlfriend
[19:02] <Glapo72> Oh Kurdistan were you making a joke earlier haha
[19:03] <Kurdistan> zebastianortis are you joking?
[19:03] <zebastianortis> no, it's a legitimate question
[19:03] <zebastianortis> will dist-upgrade leave all my files untouched
[19:03] <Kurdistan> visit lubuntu.net and you can see screencast how to upgrade from 10.04
[19:04] <Glapo72> So Kurdistan is there a problem with your distro?
[19:04] <Kurdistan> Glapo72 who the hell are you?
[19:05] <Glapo72> Just asking a question my aplogies
[19:05] <Kurdistan> http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-screencast-upgrade-lubuntu-1004-1010   <<<---- zebastianortis
[19:05] <zebastianortis> i am grateful kurdistan
[19:05] <Kurdistan> np zebastianortis
[19:07] <Kurdistan> :) fritte du har två konton vilken är du inne med nu
[19:07] <Kurdistan> :)
[19:07] <Glapo72> By the way Kurdistan I was making a reference to your comments earlier you made about your bootchart
[19:08] <Kurdistan> Glapo72, I see sorry then.
[19:08] <|friTTe|> Kurdistan,  det här
[19:08] <|friTTe|> men drar o käkar nu
[19:08] <|friTTe|> =)
[19:08] <|friTTe|> bbl
[19:08] <Kurdistan> smaklig måltid vännen
[19:09] <Glapo72> No problem well have a good day!
[19:09] <zebastianortis> jeg forstår litt norsk
[19:09] <|friTTe|> hehe nice
[19:09] <zebastianortis> og lit dansk også
[19:09] <Kurdistan> Glapo72, I dont if it is any bootchart bug or something but the time is not correct what so ever
[19:09] <zebastianortis> fordi jeg er fra costa rica
[19:09] <zebastianortis> san jose costa rica
[19:09] <|friTTe|> not swedish?
[19:09] <|friTTe|>  =)
[19:09] <zebastianortis> no...you know, they are....
[19:12] <gue> is jupiter or eee-control to preferd? or wich program are you suppose to use nowdays? (Eeepc 901)
[19:13] <Kurdistan> gue you have netbook?
[19:13] <gue> yes, Asus 901
[19:13] <Kurdistan> :) cool. I have never used one or had one.
[19:14] <Kurdistan> hope somebody else knows :)
[19:14] <Kurdistan> ubuntu have made big efforts on netbook
[19:14] <Kurdistan> almost forgott about normal desktops :)
[19:14] <zebastianortis> who owns desktops anymore
[19:15] <gue> yeah, I have used many both since yesterday with 10.10 I felt a little lost now and. yeah, I don't really feel like messing up 2 os on 2 days.. crashed my jolicloud yesterday..
[19:15] <Kurdistan> girls/guys I am leaving. Have nice evening/morning or what so ever :) bye
[19:16] <gue> thank you anyway!
[22:27] <r3make> nice... lubuntu not working after upgrade :/
[22:27] <Kurdistan> :) back on track
[22:34] <r3make> my cursor is not visible after upgrading, any ideas whats going wrong?
[22:51] <zebastianortis> help
[22:51] <zebastianortis> i just got this while upgrading to 10.10
[22:51] <zebastianortis> One or more running instances of xscreensaver or xlockmore have been detected on this system. Because of incompatible library changes, the upgrade of the GNU libc library will leave you unable to authenticate to these programs. You should arrange for these programs to be restarted or stopped before continuing this upgrade, to avoid locking your users out of their current sessions.
[22:54] <Kurdistan> zebastianortis I think its np
[22:54] <Kurdistan> you can unable repo and ppa after upgrading
[22:54] <zebastianortis> i just clicked on forward
[22:54] <zebastianortis> veldig bra
[22:55] <zebastianortis> takk
[22:55] <Kurdistan> I mean inable
[22:55] <Kurdistan> kempe bra :P
[22:55] <Kurdistan> zebastianortis
[22:56] <Kurdistan> you do the upgrade from terminal
[22:56] <Kurdistan> or update manager?
[22:56] <zebastianortis> update manager
[22:56] <Kurdistan> I see. becuase it is not default on lubuntu 10.04
[22:57] <Kurdistan> thats why I asked
[22:57] <zebastianortis> explain please
[22:58] <Kurdistan> what to explain, you must have installed it after fresh installation
[22:58] <Kurdistan> from synaptic or terminal
[22:58] <mark76> Hey Kurdistan
[22:58] <Kurdistan> mark76 wb
[22:59] <Kurdistan> how was the meal :)?
[22:59] <mark76> It was very tasty, thanks :)
[23:00] <Kurdistan> nice that you injoyed it :)
[23:00] <zebastianortis> Kurdistan
[23:00] <zebastianortis> http://freedomainradio.com/BOARD/forums/t/27730.aspx
[23:02] <Kurdistan> lol zebastianortis
[23:05] <Kurdistan> bigbrother debian, the kid in the block lubuntu and the mother ubuntu makes perfect 10 :)
[23:06] <mark76> But that's only 3
[23:07] <Kurdistan> :) I forgott the devilish cousin kubuntu and the sister xubuntu
[23:07] <mark76> Heh
[23:08] <Kurdistan> then we have uncle green linuxmint
[23:08] <Kurdistan> then we have wannabe lubuntu, peppermint :P confused
[23:08] <Kurdistan> haha
[23:08] <mark76> And let's not forget the late fluxbuntu
[23:08] <Kurdistan> is there fluxbuntu
[23:08] <Kurdistan> haha
[23:09] <mark76> There was
[23:09] <mark76> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluxbuntu
[23:10] <mark76> Last release was 2 years ago
[23:10] <Kurdistan> okey, cool.
[23:10] <Kurdistan> I hope lubuntu will keep on
[23:10] <Kurdistan> If not I will send my lawyers
[23:10] <Kurdistan> :P
[23:11] <Kurdistan> or use :P archbang ur debian lxde
[23:11] <zebastianortis> thus far ive liked lubuntu the most
[23:11] <zebastianortis> and ive tried all
[23:11] <Kurdistan> enough talking about others. we can use the off-topic section. my bad.
[23:11] <zebastianortis> cant stand kde's use of resources
[23:12] <Kurdistan> zebastianortis which one have you tried
[23:12] <zebastianortis> all
[23:12] <zebastianortis> it's lubuntu and gnome for me
[23:12] <Kurdistan> yeah cool, jesus walks? :=
[23:12] <zebastianortis> jesus walks?
[23:12] <Kurdistan> okey you mean the buntu family
[23:13] <Kurdistan> I thought you mean all big linux distro out there
[23:13] <Kurdistan> I have never used or tried kubuntu/kde
[23:13] <Kurdistan> its to bloated
[23:14] <zebastianortis> tis
[23:16] <Kurdistan> I must go to bad guys/girls and all you between :)
[23:16] <Kurdistan> bye


[10:30] <bigjools> can someone review a small branch please?
[11:36] <danilos> bigjools, reviewed your branch, just a few minor comments
[11:37] <bigjools> danilos: great! thanks
[11:37] <danilos> bigjools, let me know once you address them so I approve it :)
[11:37] <bigjools> ok will do, I need to get some time outside of a uds session :)
[11:38] <danilos> bigjools, heh, sure
[14:13] <mwhudson> abentley, danilos, jtv: any of you want to review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/directbranchcommit-calls-branchChanged-bug-578331/+merge/25059 ?
[14:24] <danilos> mwhudson, I am taking a look
[14:26] <danilos> mwhudson, does the fact that we can't really commit to a stacked branch have any relevance here? (just mentioning, we do have a work-around in place for that, but I expect us to always have get_stacked_on_url return None because of bug 375013)
[14:26] <mup> Bug #375013: Cannot commit directly to a stacked branch <commit> <stacking> <Bazaar:Confirmed> <Launchpad Translations:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/375013>
[14:26] <mwhudson> danilos: it's a bit relevant i guess
[14:27] <mwhudson> danilos: but i tried to make the change so that it wouldn't break when that bug is fixed
[14:27] <danilos> mwhudson, of course, no need to hard-code here something that we'll want to fix later, I just wonder if it's important
[14:27] <danilos> mwhudson, right, sounds good
[14:28] <mwhudson> danilos: it's important to check the branch, because we could end up with the fact that the branch has been unstacked not being recorded
[14:30] <danilos> mwhudson, do we do that at all?
[14:30] <danilos> mwhudson, oh, right, that's the get_stacked_on_url
[14:32] <mwhudson> danilos: right
[14:32] <mwhudson> danilos: tangentially, i think it would be marginaly better in your stacking workaround to check if the bzr branch is stacked rather than the database branch
[14:33] <mwhudson> (although now i think about it a bit more i don't think it would make any practical difference at all)
[14:34] <danilos> mwhudson, I am not the most knowledgeable person about the code side of things, so we are probably going to do whatever you guys suggest if it really makes sense :)
[14:38] <abentley> mwhudson, nothing looks obviously wrong, but you have an empty comment.
[14:39] <mwhudson> abentley: doh
[14:39] <mwhudson>         # commit() records the committed revision in the database record for
[14:39] <mwhudson>         # the branch.
[14:39] <mwhudson> abentley: look ok?
[14:40] <abentley> mwhudson, yes, but I'm now wondering about the relationship of branchChanged and the scanner.
[14:41] <mwhudson> abentley: branchChanged creates a scan job if the passed in revision id is different from last_mirrored_id
[14:43] <abentley> mwhudson, r=me.
[14:44] <mwhudson> abentley: thanks
[14:44] <mwhudson> abentley: can you do that in the ui so i can ec2 land it?
[14:44] <abentley> mwhudson, done.
[14:45] <mwhudson> abentley: merci
[14:45] <danilos> mwhudson, I was just going to r=me as well, but one is good enough :) abentley, mwhudson: thanks!
[14:45] <danilos> mwhudson, can you get this CPed as well, please?
[14:45] <danilos> mwhudson, or should I ask for that?
[14:46] <mwhudson> danilos: i think it would be good to test the fix on staging when it gets there
[14:46] <mwhudson> danilos: does the translations export thingy work on staging?
[14:46] <danilos> mwhudson, sure, sounds good; I think it does, though I'd have to check with jtv first
[14:46] <danilos> mwhudson, we can also cowboy it to staging to speed it up a bit :)
[14:46] <mwhudson> danilos: but in general i am (a) at uds (b) not officially lp any more, so it might be best for you to chase the cp
[14:47] <mwhudson> yeah, that'd help
[14:47] <danilos> mwhudson, sure, thanks
[14:47] <jtv> danilos, mwhudson: check what exactly?
[14:47] <mwhudson> ec2 is booting
[14:47] <danilos> jtv, does export to branches work on staging?
[14:47] <jtv> I think so.
[14:47] <jtv> Err... yes, it does.
[14:47] <jtv> But of course most of the time it does nothing because the branches aren't hosted on staging.
[14:48] <jtv> I think we even had it run much more frequently on staging for that reason.
[14:48] <danilos> jtv, can we test mwhudson's fix for translations-exporter there?
[14:48] <jtv> Like once an hour or something.
[14:48] <mwhudson> right, but you can set it up by pushing a branch?
[14:48] <jtv> Right.  To staging.
[14:48] <jtv> It has to be set as the translations branch for a productseries, which must have the exports enabled.
[14:49] <jtv> And of course the productseries must have at least one template with at least one actual translation.
[14:49] <jtv> Then I think it's at most an hour's wait.
[14:49] <danilos> jtv, ok, I'll try doing that
[14:49]  * jtv chokes back pointless Yoda quote
[14:51] <danilos> mwhudson, jtv: just to confirm, when we get to CP, this needs to go to loganberry, right?
[14:51] <jtv> danilos: no, to codehosting.
[14:51] <danilos> jtv, what machine is that?
[14:51] <mwhudson> danilos: crowberry
[14:51] <danilos> mwhudson, ok, thanks
[14:51] <jtv> (On staging we also have it running on a separate server, so if you want to ask a LOSA for a manual run, be sure to mention it has to run on staging codehosting)
[14:52] <mwhudson> woo ec2 land detached
[14:52] <mwhudson> which is good as i'm running out of battery
[16:01] <jtv> gary_poster: I don't understand your review comment...  Do I need to "bzr add" the new lazr.batchnavigator in the download cache?  The wiki only says to "bzr up" and then "bzr commit" the download cache, which seems pointless.
[16:03] <gary_poster> jtv, my review comment was trying to say that, if you want to *test* the branch with your new eggs, you can do so without committing to the download-cache via that flag I copied.  However, before you *land* your branch, you definitely need to add before you commit--yes, quite pointless otherwise.
[16:03] <jtv> gary_poster: ah ok...  I tested by moving my lazr branch inside my lp branch and twiddling the config.
[16:04] <gary_poster> heh
[16:04] <gary_poster> ok
[16:04] <jtv> gary_poster: it's a bit unclear: the steps on the wiki for upgrading a package refer to steps 4—6 of installing a package, which don't really say why they're doing this.
[16:04] <gary_poster> jtv, link?
[16:06] <jtv> gary_poster: oh, not the wiki... this is doc/buildout.txt.
[16:06] <gary_poster> jtv, ah, ok looking
[16:10] <gary_poster> jtv, yes, could be clearer.  uh...you could make a bug I guess.  I assume steps 5 and 6 are obvious but step 4 is a bit more mysterious?  That step is about getting the package into download-cache/dist.  It does it automatically for you.  Copying it over manually is what I tend to do myself, and is just fine, and is more transparent as to what is going on, so perhaps that would be better to recommend.
[16:11] <jtv> gary_poster: well... can'
[16:11] <jtv> t say step 4 was _entirely_ obvious.
[16:11] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:12] <jtv> For instance I don't recall seeing any "Picked:" output at all, and wouldn't know a spurious one from a...
[16:12] <jtv> an...
[16:12] <jtv> inspurious one.
[16:12] <gary_poster> :-) If you see "Picked:" at all then it's bad.
[16:12] <gary_poster> uh
[16:12] <gary_poster> yeah
[16:12] <gary_poster> so that may be old
[16:14] <jtv> "You need to see if it means that you have dependencies, some of which may be indirect dependencies."  I'd say it was Greek but I might stand a chance of deciphering some of that.  :)
[16:23] <gary_poster> jtv: please make a foundations bug identifying the confusing bits!
[16:23] <jtv> ok
[23:01] <thumper> any friendly reviewers around?
[23:04] <jelmer> Happy to review, but still a mentat (under mentat?)
[23:12] <thumper> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/vcs-imports-permission-review/+merge/25047
[23:13] <thumper> this one clears out some weird old permissions for vcs-imports
[23:13] <thumper> and clears the way to have some community members be in the vcs-import team
[23:13] <thumper> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/fix-factory-ids-in-tests/+merge/25037
[23:13] <thumper> tech debt clean up
[23:16]  * jelmer is reviewing


[15:45] <UndiFineD> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UndiFineD/documentation
[15:50] <peppe84> Hi. I have some problem in order to compiling 8.04 official server guide in italian languages. anyone have experience for this? Istruction are not clear for me...
[15:51] <peppe84> *compiling in pdf, sorry.


[00:20] <bkerensa> popey: LOL
[00:20] <bkerensa> when was that seen?
[00:20] <bkerensa> :D
[00:22] <popey> 5 mins before i posted it
[00:56] <jo-erlend> did you know that the Norwegian handball-team uses Ubuntu as a shout of power when they have timeouts?
[00:58] <jo-erlend> I think that's rather cool. In international championships, that is, and it's televised all around the globe. :)
[00:59] <jono> Ubuntu Accomplishments now awards trophies if you are an Ubuntu Member, developer, or member of a LoCo Team :-)
[00:59] <jono> getting there...
[01:01] <jo-erlend> Things like that actually do mean something. I received an email from Mark Shuttleworth today, with appreciation of things I do. It's really nice to be noticed.
[01:03] <jono> jo-erlend, :-)
[01:03] <jcastro> hey popey
[01:03] <jcastro> everyone told me spotify is awesome
[01:03] <jcastro> but failed to mention the whole facebook logins only thing
[01:03] <jcastro> thanks!
[01:03] <jono> jcastro, is there a Juju charmers team?
[01:03] <jcastro> yep
[01:04] <jono> what team name?
[01:04] <jcastro> http://launchpad.net/~charmers
[01:04] <jo-erlend> jcastro, Spotify is awesome for people who doesn't want to purchase the music from Ubuntu One Music Store. As I understand it, they have the same artists in store.
[01:04] <jcastro> that's for reviewing
[01:04] <jcastro> if you want to check out contributors
[01:04] <jo-erlend> Robert Normann, for instance!
[01:04] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/~charm-contributors
[01:05] <jono> jcastro, so charmers approves official charms and charm-contributors is...?
[01:05] <jo-erlend> by the way; wasn't U1MS supposed to be in Rhymthmbox now?
[01:05] <jcastro> people who want to contribute charms but aren't interested in becoming reviewers
[01:05] <jono> jo-erlend, it is here
[01:05] <jo-erlend> jono, it isn't here. Do you know what package provides it?
[01:05] <jono> jcastro, if I add some accomplishments for this will you edit the docs?
[01:06] <jcastro> for sure
[01:06] <jono> jo-erlend, do a apt search for rhythmbox and ubuntuone
[01:06] <jono> I can't remember the package
[01:06] <jono> jcastro, ok, adding now, hang fire
[01:06] <jcastro> jo-erlend: rhythmbox-ubuntuone
[01:07] <jo-erlend> thanks :)
[01:08] <jo-erlend> I'm looking forward to cleaning up this old system. I've moved my root to btrfs and in April I'll start moving my home.
[01:09] <jcastro> is dpkg still slow with btrfs?
[01:10] <jono> jcastro, ok added, one sec
[01:11] <jcastro> jono: hey, so on a related note
[01:12] <jono> oh?
[01:12] <jcastro> jono: how can we connect ubuntu accomplishments with askubuntu badges? I think it'd be nice if they were just mirrored inside your system so when I get a badge on AU it does your magic thing
[01:12] <jcastro> like, display my badges from there in your thing, etc.
[01:12] <jono> jcastro, yeah, we should write a service on the server that just scans AskUbuntu
[01:12] <jono> should be simple enough
[01:12] <jcastro> so when I see my trophy case I have an amalgamation of all of my activity.
[01:13] <jono> jcastro, bzr branch lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments
[01:13] <jono> jcastro, in there is an 'accomplishments' directory
[01:13] <jono> you should see the Juju ones in there
[01:13] <jono> edit the summary, steps, and links
[01:13] <bkerensa> jono: Any thought on tying all of this into perhaps a site? accomplishments.ubuntu.com with like a leader board? Mozilla does something like this for affiliates
[01:13] <jono> bkerensa, that is part of the idea if it takes off
[01:14] <jono> jcastro, btw, before each step (apart from the first one) add a tab, and then I can add it as bullet points in the main app
[01:14] <jcastro> k
[01:14] <jono> and then just submit a merge proposal and I will merge it in
[01:14] <jono> all the other accomplishment files need better docs too if you are bored
[01:14] <jono> :-)
[01:16] <jo-erlend> hmm.. When playing music from u1ms on rhythmbox, it just did nothing… until I noticed the little text at the top, telling me that mp3 isn't installed with a button to do so.
[01:16] <jo-erlend> that could've been colored.
[01:16] <jcastro> jono: I'm pinging George Edison about connecting AU<->Accomplishments
[01:16] <jcastro> he's pretty awesome at things like this
[01:17] <jono> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7183/6883903115_de0266070c_b.jpg
[01:20] <jcastro> jono: also
[01:20] <jcastro> is it possible to get trophies more than once?
[01:20] <jcastro> so like, could we do "Reviewed 100 merge proposals"
[01:21] <jcastro> and if you do 500 you get 5
[01:21] <bkerensa> jcastro: I added the juju webinar to UWN for next issue
[01:22] <jcastro> <3 thanks!
[01:23] <jono> jcastro, no no!
[01:24] <jono> remember, accomplishments are about experiences, not traffic
[01:24] <jono> 5 trophies for 500 MP could be abused easily
[01:24] <jono> what is morew valuable is "I did my first MP"
[01:24] <jcastro> right, but people reviewing branches is behavior we want.
[01:25] <jono> agreed
[01:25] <jono> I am sure we can think of cool trophies
[01:25] <jono> but I am reluctant to add you did n of this
[01:26] <jcastro> ok
[01:27] <jcastro> hey so, looking at the .accomplishment file
[01:27] <jono> yup
[01:27] <jcastro> that looks like a description, but how are you checking to see if someone is actually done the part.
[01:28] <jcastro> oh nm
[01:28] <jono> that is the script
[01:29] <jono> can see the equivilent script in the scripts/ dir
[01:29]  * jcastro sees that now
[01:29] <jono> :-)
[01:29] <jcastro> hmm, so if it's about experiences maybe instead of 1-1ing each AU badge
[01:29] <jcastro> we can do the top notch ones, like say, the gold ones.
[01:29] <jono> so what is cool is that hackers can write the scripts and then docs folks can write the docs here
[01:29] <jcastro> that don't really have much to do with "doing X of Y Z amount of times"
[01:29] <jono> yeah the AU thing is something we will want to think carefully about
[01:30] <jcastro> so we would want ones like "Asked a question and accepted an answer"
[01:31] <jono> yeah, or asked a question
[01:31] <jono> and another for answered a question
[01:31] <cprofitt> tomorrow night I will go full on Ubuntu at my LUG
[01:31] <cprofitt> going to push askubuntu.com, etc...
[01:31] <jono> as well as trophies for the different roles you earn
[01:31] <jono> cool cprofitt
[01:31] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/badges
[01:31] <cprofitt> seems like I should mention these trophies too
[01:31] <jcastro> so basically, pick the major ones
[01:32] <jcastro> that shouldn't be a problem
[01:35] <bkerensa> cprofitt: It is fun :)
[01:36] <bkerensa> cprofitt: The lugs up here know me as the Ubuntu Evangelist :P but thats because handfuls of each lug use Fedora, Arch, Gentoo and Source Mage
[01:37] <jcastro> I didn't even know sourcemage was still around
[01:37] <cprofitt> well...
 They love trolling sabdfl and Canonical while cheering on Redhat
[01:44] <bkerensa> :P
[01:44] <bkerensa> then I point out they have no local events... No fedora booths :P
[01:45] <cprofitt> bkerensa: depends on where you are... Fedora/Redhat works with the local tech college here
[01:45] <cprofitt> and some of the Fedora Ambassadors are really cool
[01:46] <bkerensa> cprofitt: They do very little here unless trolling on #ORLUG counts as advocating for Fedora/Redhat :P
[01:46] <jono> jcastro, how are you getting on with the docs?
[01:46] <jcastro> which docs?
[01:46] <bkerensa> cprofitt: No doubt... MarkDude is awesome :) and he is ambassador
[01:47] <cprofitt> yep
[01:47] <jono> jcastro, the accomplishments files you were editing
[01:48] <jcastro> I am only reading each one in lp right now, I have some kind of bzr ssh problem that won't even let me check out stuff for some reason
[01:48] <jono> weird
[01:48] <jono> feel free to pastebin the changes
[01:48] <jono> and I can merge them in
[01:50] <jcastro> sure
[01:50] <jono> thanks, pal
[01:50] <nigelb> cprofitt: Aren't you an ambassador as well?
[01:50] <jcastro> jono: first edit is easy, the charm-review one depends on the first one, as you can't review until you've written a charm
[01:50] <jcastro> I don't know the terminlogy
[01:51] <jcastro> depends?
[01:51] <jono> jcastro, oh sweet
[01:51] <jono> this is the first real multi-level dependency
[01:51] <jcastro> perfect.
[01:52] <jono> ok so the charm contributor depends on a LP account
[01:52] <jono> and the reviewer depends on being in the contributors team
[01:52]  * mhall119 is going to have something to show for his 20% time on Friday :)
[01:52] <jono> mhall119, ooooooooh!
[01:52] <cjohnston> new changes to summit mhall119 ?
[01:53] <mhall119> cjohnston: you wish
[01:53] <cjohnston> yup
[01:53] <jono> jcastro, could someone be a reviewer and not be a member of the contributors team?
[01:54] <jcastro> jono: ok so how's this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/843865/
[01:55] <jcastro> jono: no, you have to be a contributor first
[01:55] <jono> jcastro, looking good, but I want to include the steps in here
[01:55] <jono> so people can right away what to do
[01:55] <jono> can you add them to the PB and I will merge them in
[01:56] <jono> jcastro, also, this doesnt take markdown
[01:56] <jono> these need to be full HTML links
[01:57] <jono> while you do that jcastro, I am going to eat, back soon
[01:57] <jcastro> hah man
[01:57] <jcastro> everything SHOULD BE MARKDOWN
[01:57] <jono> patches welcome ;-)
[01:57] <jcastro> editing
[01:57] <jono> :-)
[01:58] <jono> brb
[01:58] <jcastro> I am disappointed you didn't do markdown by default
[01:58] <jcastro> it's the new black
[01:58] <cjohnston> i dont like black
[01:58] <jcastro> hmm, my fear is that putting too detailed instructions in description it will fall out of date
[02:01] <jcastro> awesome, went from doing something fun to translating moinmoin to HTML.
[02:01] <jcastro> Kill me
[02:01] <jcastro> I should have kept playing xbox
[02:02] <cjohnston> lol
[02:05] <jcastro> jono: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/843873/
[02:05] <jcastro> ok that should be decent enough, when I get back to my PC with working bzr I can clean it up since I'll have to update the URL for the charm store anyway.
[02:20] <mhall119> jono: it's not 100% yet, but it's a start
[02:20] <mhall119> http://paste.ubuntu.com/843888/
[02:21] <mhall119> I still need to work out the packaging details
[02:22] <mhall119> especially around getting things installed into /opt/
[02:27] <jono> mhall119, nice!!!
[02:28] <jono> mhall119, any idea if CanoniStack is back up?
[02:29] <mhall119> jono: I haven't checked it
[02:29] <jono> thanks jcastro
[02:29] <jono> adding now and will send you a screenshot of the output
[02:30] <mhall119> jono: euca-describe-images against canonistack appears to be working
[02:30] <mhall119> euca-describe-instances confirms that my instances are all gone though
[02:30] <jono> mhall119, cool
[02:30] <jono> mhall119, when it is back up would you mind building me an instance again?
[02:30] <jono> and then I will set all the headless U1 stuff up
[02:30] <mhall119> sure
[02:30] <jono> thanks, man
[02:30] <jono> I really appreciate it
[02:31] <jono> jcastro, around?
[02:38] <cprofitt> nigelb: yes I am.
[02:38] <cprofitt> not very active one though
[02:40] <nigelb> :)
[02:40] <nigelb> I had a vague association from some time in BT.
[02:55] <cprofitt> yep
[02:55] <cprofitt> I did it mostly so I could arrange to get CDs for the LUG
[02:56] <cprofitt> man... my blog post about the Global Jam hardly got any hits
[03:11] <mhall119> yay! http://mhall119.com/2012/02/singlet-quickly-better-faster-simpler/
[03:20] <jono> mhall119, woo! reading
[03:21] <jono> nice work!
[03:21] <mhall119> thanks
[03:22] <mhall119> I need to get 'quickly run' and 'quickly debug' working, and then it'll be in a pretty good spot I think
[03:22] <mhall119> then I can drop all that junk from Singlet itself
[03:26] <jono> awesome!
[03:26] <jono> and then we should ensure it packaged ready for 12.04
[03:34] <mhall119> yeah, I'll have to get an FFE for it to be in Universe though
[03:35] <mhall119> hmmm, I suppose it could go through the ARB too, since lenses and scopes created with it don't need to depend on it at runtime
[03:36] <mhall119> but it'll have to install to /usr/share/quickly/, so that might be a problem for the ARB
[03:36] <mhall119> I'll have to talk to didrocks about  that
[03:38] <mhall119> this is awesome, people will be making lenses and scopes like mad
[03:44] <jono> mhall119, cool
[05:59] <duanedesign> jo-erlend: thanks for your help answering ubuntu one questions on askUbuntu
[07:02] <dpm> good morning all
[07:05] <bkerensa> dpm: Good morning
[07:05] <bkerensa> :D
[07:05] <dpm> hey bkerensa :)
[07:06] <bkerensa> dpm: I guess I will also see you tomorrow morning (for me)
[07:06] <bkerensa> :D
[07:06] <dpm> :-)
[07:08] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:20] <bkerensa> Good Night all!
[09:26] <dholbach> I love mixcloud as a service but the ads on there just don't make sense - why would I pay 100$ to get 100 "plays" of a mix I made?
[10:45] <nigelb> AlanBell: Heh, that was an interesting tweet :)
[11:04] <dholbach> huats, we missed having our call yesterday
[11:04] <dholbach> huats, and I'll be too busy this week - so let's talk next week
[11:04] <dholbach> huats, but I think we should both mail a couple of people on our list and both blog about the initiative
[13:44] <cjohnston> mornin
[14:03] <cprofitt> jcastro: dude... where should I start if I want to learn about juju charms?
[14:07] <popey> http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2012/02/juju-charm-school-webinar-march-8th/
[14:07] <popey> cprofitt: ^^
[14:08] <cprofitt> danke
[14:11] <mhall119> cprofitt: the easiest way to get started is to bribe jcastro with beer and tacos
[14:12] <mhall119> I don't even think they have to be good, he'll probably work for bud light and taco bell
[14:13] <cprofitt> ah...
[14:13] <cprofitt> I would likely have to travel to Florida though, heh?
[14:13] <mhall119> well yeah, there is that
[14:40] <snap-l> Just have mhall119 deliver them
[14:42] <jcastro> did someone say tacos?
[14:42] <jcastro> http://juju.ubuntu.com/Charms
[14:42] <jcastro> cprofitt: ^
[14:55] <cprofitt> tacos
[15:07] <bkerensa> Good Morning
[15:07] <bkerensa> cprofitt: I had Tacos last night :)
[15:13] <duanedesign> ha! I had tacos as well
[15:13] <jcastro> bkerensa: I dig your interviews man
[15:15] <bkerensa> jcastro: Thanks
[15:16] <cprofitt> bkerensa: nice!
[15:18] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Before I moved across the city there was this "World Foods" store one block from where I lived and they had by far the largest selection of hot sauces I have ever seen... About half a aisle
[15:18] <bkerensa> Ghost Chili.. Haberneros... Chinese Chilis.... Intense stuff
[15:18] <cprofitt> I love my hot sauce
[15:18] <cprofitt> have about 10-20 of them from all over the place
[15:19] <bkerensa> nice
[15:49] <jcastro> dholbach: we have a call today right?
[15:49] <dholbach> jcastro, yep
[15:49] <dholbach> UGJ love
[15:49] <jcastro> hey when jono gets here remember to ask if it's on irc or G+
[15:50] <dholbach> g+ I think
[15:50] <dholbach> but yeah, better ask ;-)
[15:50] <bkerensa> jcastro: G+
[15:50] <cprofitt> G+
[15:51] <cprofitt> 11am
[15:51] <cprofitt> so 10 minutes
[15:51] <bkerensa> 8 minutes
[15:51] <bkerensa> :D
[15:51] <balloons> hehee
[15:51] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:51] <jono> howdy dholbach
[15:51] <jono> dholbach, nice work on the dev update
[15:52] <dholbach> jono, I enjoyed doing something else for a change ;-)
[15:52] <dholbach> jono, and bkerensa did the interview with Robert
[15:52] <dholbach> so a nice team collaboration
[15:52] <jono> dholbach, lol
[15:52] <jono> cool :-)
[15:52] <jono> did you post it to FB and G+ ?
[15:52] <dholbach> yep
[15:53] <jono> to the main Ubuntu FB page?
[15:53] <dholbach> all the @ubuntudev accounts
[15:53] <dholbach> ah no
[15:53] <jono> lets start posting them there every week
[15:53] <jono> do you have access?
[15:53] <dholbach> to G+ I don't
[15:54] <jono> I mean to the FB page
[15:54] <dholbach> ah yes
[15:54] <jono> cool
[15:55] <dholbach> does anyone know how we can have more admins per G+ page?
[15:55] <bkerensa> dholbach: Is there a hard limit?
[15:56] <bkerensa> Perhaps ping Bradley Horowitz on Google+
[15:56] <bkerensa> he is Google's Product Manager for G+
[15:56] <dholbach> bkerensa, I didn't find out how to add a single one :)
[15:56] <jono> dholbach, I figured it out
[15:56] <jono> inviting you now
[15:56] <dholbach> ah yes?
[15:57] <dholbach> there'a page circle of "team members" - is that it?
[15:57] <jono> did you post to FB yet?
[15:57] <dholbach> no, will do in a bit
[15:57] <jono> I will post now
[15:57] <dholbach> just to the @ubuntudev accounts on FB/twitter/G+/identica
[15:57] <jono> I am there
[15:57] <jono> lets keep the main Ubuntu GB/G+ pages in the loop too
[15:57] <dholbach> will do
[15:58] <bkerensa> you guys need a nice python script to hit all the various twitter, facebook and g+ accounts via api :)
[15:58] <jono> bkerensa, indeed
[15:58] <bkerensa> But I think G+ api is still readonly
[15:58] <bkerensa> :(
[15:58] <jono> yup
[16:00] <jono> balloons, dholbach, dpm, jcastro, mhall119, bkerensa, czajkowski, cprofitt, call time, will send an invite now
[16:00] <balloons> your just thinking too small.. build your own api :-)
[16:00] <jono> balloons, lol
[16:00] <czajkowski> jono: on a call with my team
[16:00] <dholbach> balloons, with HTTP POST the world is yours, right?
[16:00] <mhall119> jono: is daker on the invite?
[16:01] <daker> mhall119, can't make it :/
[16:01] <daker> at work
[16:01] <dholbach> bah, is fridge slow for everyone else too?
[16:01] <cprofitt> delayed a minute... be right in
[16:01] <bkerensa> dholbach: Yes epic
[16:02] <balloons> dholbach.. you just have no idea!
[16:02] <mhall119> daker: ping me when  you're home, I'd like to start working on another deployment
[16:02] <daker> sure
[16:02] <mhall119> thanks
[16:02] <czajkowski> cprofitt: can you please either sub the right address to the LC or else send from the one that is subscribed
[16:02] <czajkowski> I have to keep doing it mannually here for you
[16:02] <dpm> jono, I'm there in a minute, webcam still not working well, setting it up on my desktop computer...
[16:02] <balloons> servers are getting tricky now.. rc4'ing there comms, demanding undocumented header values, etc
[16:02] <dholbach> ah, I guess it's slow because Jono posted the dev update on the G+ page :)
[16:03] <mhall119> cprofitt: sent you an invite to the hangout
[16:03] <bkerensa> dholbach:  It is totally down :)
[16:03] <bkerensa> http://www.downornot.com/fridge.ubuntu
[16:03] <jcastro> I'm not seeing a G+ invite at all
[16:05] <jono> dpm, yeah yeah :-)
[16:05] <jono> daker sorry you cant make it
[16:05] <jono> jcastro, let me invite again
[16:05] <bkerensa> jono: none here either
[16:06] <mhall119> bkerensa: PM me your g+ email and I'll invite you
[16:18] <bkerensa> crashed
[16:18] <bkerensa> hmm
[16:19] <balloons> :-(
[16:21] <bkerensa> balloons: I need to sort out my mic situation.... for some reason the mic goes up higher
[16:21] <bkerensa> :(
[16:21] <bkerensa> even when I set it low
[16:22] <balloons> yea, trying to autoadjust your mic i'd guess
[16:33] <bkerensa> ballons: Well I will just toggle on and off as needed (I have it dropped low but I dont think it will obey me)
[16:53] <nigelb> jono: eh, the loco call is at 0430 my time :P
[16:53] <nigelb> *heh
[16:53] <jono> nigelb, slacker :-)
[16:54] <nigelb> haha
[17:00] <dholbach> jono, CC meeting for me
[17:00] <dholbach> jono, see you later
[17:05] <bkerensa> jcastro: For the social media efforts it might be nice if ubuntu-marketing list could be utilized to share event related posts around the web that could then be re-shared
[17:06] <bkerensa> I really think /r/ubuntu and /r/linux are worthwhile efforts
[17:07] <jcastro> indeed
[17:07] <jcastro> we should leverage reddit more
[17:07] <jcastro> there's a ton of people there.
[17:08] <balloons> i have been planning an ama actually
[17:08] <balloons> i've been on the fence about creating a new reddit account or not  :-)
[17:09] <bkerensa> jcastro: Yeah the only thing I can complain about is that because we do have a CoC.... Moderation could be improved to clean up major distro trolling
[17:09] <balloons> so i haven't done it yet
[17:09] <bkerensa> balloons: Reddit is fun in doses
[17:09] <jcastro> the trolling seems to have gotten better
[17:09] <bkerensa> I find news on their sometimes :)
[17:09] <jcastro> by better I mean people aren't being suck jerks
[17:09] <balloons> hehe.. it's worth engaging the community.. I'll go forward with my ama nonetheless
[17:10] <jcastro> I just got reddited 2 blog posts ago and the comments were surprisingly awesome
[17:10] <bkerensa> jcastro: Yeah it was bad for awhile and occasionally some Linux Minters come around looking for opps to convert people :P
[17:11] <bkerensa> jcastro: Yeah Reddit has sent me a few hundreds hit a day for the last few days
[17:11] <bkerensa> :)
[17:11] <bkerensa> Pinterest seems to be picking up fast too
[17:11] <bkerensa> They say its the fastest growing social network
[17:12] <jcastro> jill is on that, it's weird
[17:12] <jcastro> but pretty cool
[17:12] <bkerensa> Yeah I don't totally understand it.... It seems like a notice board for links with photos :P
[17:13] <bkerensa> jcastro: Will juju ever have any swag?
[17:13] <jcastro> yeo
[17:13] <jcastro> it does, tshirts
[17:13] <bkerensa> ahh
[17:13] <bkerensa> :D
[17:14] <jcastro> write a charm, you get a shirt and mug!
[17:14] <bkerensa> jcastro: :P you dont have my size I bet though.... Only PuppetLabs, OpenStack and Eucalyptus have had it so far :P
[17:14] <jcastro> My shirts fit Robbie.
[17:15] <jcastro> Anything short of an original xbox can fit in them
[17:15] <bkerensa> :D
[17:15] <bkerensa> hmm I might have to consider it... I heard you guys need a improved Wordpress charm anyways
[17:16] <jcastro> I need nginx'ed
[17:16] <jcastro> right now it's apache
[17:16] <bkerensa> oh forget that
[17:16] <bkerensa> :D
[17:16] <bkerensa> Apache for the win
[17:16] <jcastro> but I guess that's not leet enough
[17:16] <bkerensa> :D
[17:16] <jcastro> or tweak apache so it's awesome
[17:17] <bkerensa> jcastro: Have to tweak apache and mysql :)
[17:17] <bkerensa> My wordpress install can blow the bricks off any nginx setup :)
[17:17] <jcastro> yeah! You're the kind of guy we want writing juju charms
[17:17] <jcastro> so that everyone who deploys wordpress gets the awesome setup
[17:19] <bkerensa> jcastro: But they also need varnish and a isolated mysql container and CDN :)
[17:19] <jcastro> we have varnish
[17:20] <jcastro> you'd just need to customize the hook to make varnish do exactly what you want when related to wordpress
[17:20] <jcastro> so that's nearly there
[17:20] <bkerensa> nice
[17:21] <pleia2> jam planning people: it would be great if you could keep the loco-contacts mailing list in the loop, I know it's old-style communication but one of the teams in the US emailed me to follow up with my "announcement" about how they could learn more and didn't even realize the new, fancy loco.ubuntu.com page for the jam existed
[17:21] <pleia2> not as fancy as all our social media stuff, but it still is a prime way to get ahold of team contacts :)
[17:25] <bkerensa> :P
[17:25] <pleia2> just trying to be helpful
[17:25] <bkerensa> pleia2: :) loco-contacts what mentioned in the call
[17:25] <bkerensa> was*
[17:28] <cprofitt> pleia2: I will be sending out an email to the first half of the alpha in North America later tonight
[17:28] <cprofitt> randal will be doing the other half
[17:28] <pleia2> "the alpha"?
[17:28] <cprofitt> alphabet
[17:28] <cprofitt> we split North America
[17:29] <pleia2> to the mailing lists?
[17:29] <cprofitt> as far as who will email what teams
[17:29] <cprofitt> I am going straight to the contacts list on loco.ubuntu.com
[17:29] <bkerensa> cprofitt: I already have New Mexico, Idaho and Washington covered
[17:29] <bkerensa> :)
[17:29] <bkerensa> just a heads up
[17:29] <cprofitt> bkerensa: cool... I think the I is on my list...
[17:29] <cprofitt> randall would have the N and W -- though I took NY
[17:29] <pleia2> yeah, california is already aware too
[17:30] <bkerensa> cprofitt: What is Randall's IRC nick?
[17:30] <cprofitt> rrwnexec or some such
[17:30] <cprofitt> rrnwexec
[17:30] <cprofitt> yeah that is it
[17:30] <cprofitt> https://launchpad.net/~rrnwexec
[17:31] <cprofitt> I do not often see him on irc anymore
[17:31] <bkerensa> oh goodness... Nigerian Money Scam on a Ubuntu Mailing List
[17:31] <bkerensa> :(
[17:31] <bkerensa> or something like it perhaps
[17:32] <bkerensa> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg02898.html
[17:32] <bkerensa> not sure if it is legit or not but seems odd
[17:40] <cprofitt> fake
[17:40] <cprofitt> that is a well known scam
[17:41] <cprofitt> usually from a hacked account
[17:41] <Pendulum> I'm a little more concerned by the reply to it that doesn't recognize that it's a scam
[17:45] <bkerensa> cprofitt: looking through archives though that individual does appear to be a contribute or at least was at one point
[17:45] <Pendulum> bkerensa: it's not the person, it's the e-mail content
[17:46] <Pendulum> I've seen almost verbatim content in hacked e-mail accounts
[17:46] <Pendulum> (where I know it was hacked because the person whose account it was contacted everyone in their address book to let them know they'd been hacked)
[17:46] <bkerensa> Pendulum: Yeah... I figured it was :) I wouldnt ask strangers for money if I got mugged in a third world country :P
[17:47] <popey> the scam isnt aimed at strangers
[17:47] <Pendulum> and, now the person has responded saying there was a hack
[17:47] <bkerensa> :D
[17:47] <popey> its aimed at people in yoru address book which is assumed to be your friends
[17:47] <popey> anyway, scam, move on ☺
[17:47] <bkerensa> Should ask if he got hacked while booted into his windows partition :P
[17:47] <bkerensa> popey: k
[17:48] <jcastro> Pici: where can I find info about the bot jam?
[17:49] <koolhead17> mhall119: hey there
[17:49] <Pici> jcastro: At this time, the information is available here, we'll be providing more info as we get closer: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2012-February/001490.html
[17:51] <popey> mmm tasty bot jam
[17:54] <mhall119> hey koolhead17
[17:54] <koolhead17> mhall119: we are planning the global jam over coffee and  snacks without Internet though :)
[17:55] <mhall119> koolhead17: there's no problem with that
[17:55] <mhall119> make sure it's on the loco team portal though
[17:55] <mhall119> plus tweet when you're there, take photos, upload them, use #ubuntu to tag *everything*
[17:56]  * mhall119 thinks "#ubuntu all of the things!" should be our new meme
[17:59] <jono> mhall119, think you could expedite setting my CanoniStack up?
[17:59] <jono> I want to throw it open so some folks can test the accomplishments stuff
[17:59] <jono> balloons,
[18:00] <jcastro> there were issues with the upgrade, they're still working it
[18:00] <jono> balloons, slangasek wants to do some cross-grade testing between 32-bit and 654-bit installs
[18:00] <jono> oops
[18:00] <jono> 64-bit installs
[18:00] <jcastro> 654 bits, brutal.
[18:00] <jono> balloons, can you reach out to him and kick off a testing campaign
[18:00] <jono> jcastro, \m/
[18:00] <jcastro> jono: check this out
[18:00] <jcastro> https://trystack.org/
[18:00] <jcastro> sound familiar?
[18:01] <jono> jcastro, ;-)
[18:01] <mhall119> jono: sure
[18:01] <mhall119> on it now
[18:01] <jono> jcastro, think you can have that outreach ideas doc and try.ubuntu.com plan in place for us to discuss tomorrow?
[18:01] <jono> mhall119, legend!
[18:01] <jono> jcastro, btw
[18:01] <jono> in terms of your Charm docs for the .accomplishment
[18:02] <jono> your docs talked in the context of contributing a charm as opposed to being a member of the team
[18:02] <jono> I think those docs are cool, but is there a way in which we can check in LP if someone contributed a charm?
[18:02] <balloons> hey jono.. hmm cross grade testing?
[18:02] <jcastro> oh so you want it to be about the team then?
[18:02] <balloons> i'll reach out to him
[18:03] <mhall119> jono: smoser-cloud-images/ubuntu-precise-alpha2-amd64-server-20120202.manifest.xml work for you?
[18:03] <jcastro> jono: ack wrt. being ready by tomorrow, I have all the info I just haven't updated the information yet
[18:03] <jono> mhall119, can we use the image as last time? not sure if 64-bit causes issues with U1 headless
[18:03] <bkerensa> dholbach: Is it possible that the LP Privacy Policy might even prohibit such?
[18:03] <jono> balloons, I think this is upgrading between arch...the multi-arch
[18:03] <mhall119> jono: I don't remember the exact image we used last time
[18:03] <jono> balloons, he can explain more
[18:04] <mhall119> was it i386?
[18:04] <dholbach> bkerensa, we're talking about possibilities right now
[18:04] <jono> mhall119, lets try the 64-bit and I will see if it works
[18:04] <dholbach> bkerensa, we need a way to do elections
[18:04] <jono> mhall119, can you use a x86 image?
[18:04] <bkerensa> dholbach: I know :) I didnt want to interrupt
[18:04] <jono> jcastro, cool, lets review the doc tomorrow
[18:04] <dholbach> :)
[18:04] <mhall119> jono: I can use either
[18:04] <jono> then I can discuss in my call with sabdfl on Monday
[18:04] <jono> mhall119, lets do x86
[18:04] <jono> mhall119, thanks!
[18:04] <mhall119> still precise alpha 2?
[18:04] <jono> jcastro, will stick a call in our cal tomorrow to discuss
[18:04] <jono> mhall119, cool
[18:05] <mhall119> well I have one of each now..
[18:05] <bkerensa> jono: Were doing another UGJ call next week right same time?
[18:06] <mhall119> *terminated*
[18:06] <jono> bkerensa, yep
[18:06] <jono> balloons, I added a call for us tomorrow to discuss the consolidation plan and the checkbox stuff
[18:07] <mhall119> hmmm, weird, it's not telling me the IP of the instance...
[18:07] <bkerensa> jono: I know this a long ways off but any thought on making UCADay a Global Event on loco.u.c? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay
[18:08] <jcastro> jono: I thought we have a call on fridays now anyway?
[18:08] <jcastro> ok, either way, woo.
[18:09] <jono> jcastro, I don't see it in my cal
[18:09] <jono> sounds familiar
[18:09] <jono> bkerensa, I agree, I think it should be in there
[18:09] <jcastro> I think we've been winging it
[18:09] <mhall119> bkerensa: ask the lococouncil to add it, they have access
[18:10] <balloons> jono, sounds like a plan.. I'm pushing hard for traction on this stuff.. but it's interesting to see what's been happening as I mix the pot
[18:10] <jono> balloons, cool, I also want to help to manage this influx of testing so you don't have a nervous breakdown :-)
[18:11] <balloons> hehe.. it's fine.. it's a temporary thing
[18:11] <mhall119> jono: the /topic in IS's channel says precise images aren't booting at the moment
[18:11] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[18:11] <dholbach> big hugs
[18:11] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[18:11] <balloons> well.. I mean i hope/know it will grow.. but the non-scalability is temporary
[18:11] <jono> dholbach, night, pal!
[18:11] <balloons> bye dholbach !
[18:11]  * balloons hugs dholbach
[18:11] <dholbach> :)
[18:11] <mhall119> bye dholbach
[18:11] <jono> balloons, yeah, we can keep an eye on this
[18:12] <jono> and once you have the foundation bits done, balloons, we will have more availability for you
[18:12] <jono> e.g. once you have the processes in palce
[18:12] <jono> place
[18:12] <balloons> did you see the doc I shared on keeping track of everything that's going on?
[18:12] <mhall119> it's 1:15 already? where did today go?
[18:12] <balloons> is that metrics enough for you atm?
[18:12] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Any chance at seeing UCADay on loco.u.c
[18:12] <balloons> whoa.. lunch was missed somewhere in there mhall119 :-)
[18:13] <mhall119> balloons: yeah
[18:13] <mhall119> at least I had my Cheerios
[18:18] <balloons> guess i should have prefixed my comments with jono.. jono, did you see the doc I shared on keeping track of everything that's going on? is that metrics enough for you atm?
[18:18] <mhall119> jono: nvm my previous comments, I was just confused about things
[18:19] <jono> mhall119, we can run a Precise image?
[18:19] <mhall119> jono: yes
[18:20] <jono> mhall119, woo!
[18:20] <jono> thanks
[18:20] <jono> balloons, you mean the doc which lists the queue of things being tested?
[18:21] <balloons> yep.. the one your looking at now :)
[18:22] <jono> balloons, cool, I have a call now but will review properly when I am done
[18:22] <jono> and we can discuss tomorrow too
[18:23] <balloons> great.. I'm with you. I don't want to be looking at that next monday and have a 'deer in headlights' moment again
[18:23] <jono> lol
[18:23] <jono> :-)
[18:23] <jono> thanks, pal
[18:23] <jono> I appreciate the time you are taking on this
[18:24] <balloons> jono, yvw.. it's good :-)
[18:24] <jono> :-)
[19:45] <jono> oh wow, I didn't realize that Chromium downloads show in the Launcher icon progress bar thing
[19:50] <mhall119> I can't remember the last time I had a download take long enough that I would have noticed
[19:50] <jono> hehe
[19:50] <jono> I am downloading an ISO
[19:51] <jono> mhall119, can you add the Unity Launcher progress bar as a column in your upstream targets list?
[19:51] <mhall119> sure
[19:51] <jono> thanks
[19:52] <mhall119> jono: I'm making it generic "Launcher", since it can be either progress or numeric indicators
[20:16] <jono> mhall119, cool
[20:17] <mhall119> jo-erlend: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA0ODk nice!
[20:28] <jcastro> hey Daviey
[20:45] <Daviey> hey mr castro
[20:45] <Daviey> jcastro:
[20:45] <jcastro> hey did you apply for a trystack.org account?
[20:45] <jcastro> anyone owe you any favors? I would like to get a "Running juju on trystack" page started
[20:46] <jcastro> basically, what we talked about yesterday -- we can do that on this thing they got running
[20:52] <jcastro> Daviey: ^
[20:57] <Daviey> right
[21:31] <akgraner> balloons, yanked the HD to send to Collin once I get the new one installed (tomorrow am) I can start testing.
[21:32] <balloons> akgraner, hehe.. +1 for linux being hardware agnostic
[21:33] <akgraner> curiosity on this one got the better of me - I am dieing to know what the heck happened.
[21:35] <mhall119> akgraner: kill a harddrive?
[21:35] <akgraner> mhall119, yep on an update
[21:36] <akgraner> some kinda libc6 error that won't let me do anything b/c dependencies are screwed up - cjwatson was helping me but it's so borked that he can't even ssh into it
[21:40] <akgraner> so since that's the first time in 3 years I've had an error on an update that we can't get back to a good state it might be interesting to dissect it, but I know he has a tone of other stuff to do as well - so I am sending this with no expectation of a quick turnaround.
[21:56] <akgraner> dang it - somehow all my downloads are being opened by default with gimp - this includes libreoffice files and more.  I have absolutely no clue I set this to do this.  Anyone know how to change this or where to change this at.
[21:57] <balloons> firefox or chromium or ?
[21:57] <akgraner> from my downloads folder in my home directory
[21:57] <akgraner> I changed it in the browsers
[21:58] <balloons> i'm confused.. after you download the file it's opening in gimp?
[21:58] <akgraner> but now if I go to my downloads folder in my home directory it trys to open everything there with gimp
[21:58] <balloons> ahh
[21:58] <balloons> right click and hit properties
[21:58] <akgraner> on each file?
[21:58] <balloons> see the open with tab?
[21:58] <balloons> you can change it there
[21:59] <balloons> it's set for each file type association
[21:59] <akgraner> ahh ok
[22:00] <balloons> have a look at this file:/usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[22:00] <balloons> it controls all that goodness
[22:00] <mhall119> wow akgraner, you're being very destructive on installs lately
[22:00] <akgraner> gotcha
[22:00] <mhall119> you sure you're not on the QA team?
[22:01] <akgraner> I've been told the only QA person I can interact with is on jono
[22:01] <akgraner> jono's team
[22:01] <akgraner> balloons, you can thank pgraner next time you see him...thank you I think it's fixed now
[22:02] <mhall119> akgraner: what, are all the other QA people afraid?
[22:02] <balloons> lol.. you get to interact with him only eh? good luck with that
[22:02] <balloons> mhall119, yes, she's a wonderful tester.. she is excellent at breaking things
[22:03] <balloons> but, lol, people don't always want things to be broken.. it's more like looking for an everything's good..
[22:04] <akgraner> mhall119, they aren't afraid of anything, pgraner is afraid to let me near them I think he's looking after them I think :-)
[22:04] <mhall119> akgraner: it would be bad for the company if they all quit :)
[22:04] <balloons> mhall119, i feel out of my chair again
[22:04] <akgraner> :-P
[22:04] <balloons> *fell
[22:05] <balloons> mhall119, is that part of your goals for the week -- caused me to fall down? hehe.. your so good at it.. the one-liners.. so painfully funny
[22:05] <akgraner> :-)
[22:05] <mhall119> I eat a full serving of snarky-os every morning
[22:07] <mhall119> balloons: the great thing about akgraner is that her bug reports have a charming southern accept that just keep you wanting more
[22:08] <technoviking> ok good to precise on bare metal
[22:08] <cjohnston> i attached a video to a bug report today
[22:08] <akgraner> mhall119, I think I resemble that remark.  :-P
[22:08] <balloons> nice.. i don't think i've had the privilege of perusing her reports yet..
[22:09] <akgraner> I need to file more bugs, but sometimes now when I get pissed about something I throw things at the person in the other office.  No wonder he likes to travel.  Now he tells me, don't look at me file a bug.
[22:09] <cjohnston> i try not to write yall in bug reports
[22:09] <cjohnston> lol
[22:10] <technoviking> and installer dies :(
[22:14] <mhall119> akgraner: I got this from Michelle the other day, when she was complaining about something not working right in Unity: "And don't tell me to file a bug report, you work for them, so I just did!"
[22:16] <akgraner> mhall119, that's polite compared to some of the things I've said to someone here
[22:17] <mhall119> akgraner: I bet it's a bad day in the Graner household when you get a kernel panic
[22:17] <akgraner> and still he sends me to find more information and try to fix it myself, find someone else to help or file a bug and says, "you wanna be technical right?"
[22:19] <akgraner> at least when working with tip builds are ARM boards, there is no expectation of it's perfect.  Heck if it boots the first time it's cause for celebration :-)
[22:19] <akgraner> s/are/on
[22:39] <pleia2> speaking of falling out of one's chair "Similar to" @1990sLinuxUser lists @mpt ;)
[22:40] <mhall119> pleia2: ?
[22:41] <pleia2> mhall119: was just following a link on jcastro's blog to a funny twitter user
[22:41] <pleia2> twitter has a recommended thing for users simliar to the one you're looking at
[22:42] <mhall119> ah, yeah
[23:01] <technoviking> jcastro: is there a proper way to get two screen working in precise with an nvidia crd
[23:21] <akgraner> Does Jenkins rate up there with Launchpad and Bazaar?  I guess I am trying to figure out if I should mention it and how it's being used in the QA Lab...
[23:22] <akgraner> to.many.changes.
[23:54] <jono> akgraner, Jenkins is entirely different to LP and Bzr
[23:54] <jono> it is like comparing apples and oranges
[23:54] <akgraner> jono, yep I know now
[23:54] <akgraner> :-)
[23:55] <jono> :-)
[23:55] <akgraner> someone here just explained that to me in a slighly more wtf way


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[05:57] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:03] <diogenes_> Good morning
[06:04] <lordievader> Hey diogenes_
[06:26] <sajhbr> hello. I just installed 18.04 and I'm having the plasma bug where loading icon spins very fast with high CPU usage
[06:27] <sajhbr> I'm using intel GPU with proprietary nvidia drivers
[06:34] <hateball> sajhbr: intel GPU with nvidia drivers sounds like it wouldnt work so well
[06:35] <sajhbr> but nvidia kills my battery
[06:35] <sajhbr> I'm only getting 2 hours
[06:36] <sajhbr> I've heard even if I chose intel, nvidia is still powered on. Is this true?
[06:36] <sajhbr> for a laptop with dual graphics
[06:37] <diogenes_> sajhbr, no it is not true
[06:38] <sajhbr> so if I use 'prime select intel' it'll only use intel GPU?
[06:38] <diogenes_> sajhbr, yes, but the best way to use that kind of setup is bumblebee
[06:39] <hateball> Is bumblebee even supported any more? It's a hack to begin with
[06:39] <sajhbr> bumblebee has a lot of bugs for my laptop (dell 7559) :/
[06:39] <diogenes_> like what?
[06:39] <sajhbr> I don't mind being able to use only iGPU as long as I get good battery
[06:40] <sajhbr> Unable to boot or something like that until I dive deep into config parameters
[06:41] <sajhbr> I visited bubmblebee website and went link diving, finally led to github page where someone with the same laptop posted a workaround
[06:41] <diogenes_> you probably didn't configure it properly but once configured right, you got no rpoblems
[06:52] <Mrokii_> Is there a way to update the "Devices"-List in Dolphin? The reason is that quite often my mobile phone, connected via KDE Connect, doesn't appear there, even after sending a ping. If it doesn't appear in the devices list I have no way to actually access the files. Or is there another way?
[06:53] <operator-error> Mrokii_: Is either your phone or computer connected to a VPN?
[06:56] <operator-error> Mrokii_: IIRC, both devices have to be on the same subnet to see one another.  If either device is tunneling to another network (like a VPN), then they can't connect.
[06:58] <Mrokii_> operator-error: True, my Desktop is currenctly connected to a VPN. Okay, thanks, for the clarification. I will try to disconnect from the VPN and see if it works then.
[06:59] <Mrokii_> Need to reconnect here as well. brb.
[07:02] <Mrokii> operator-error: KDE connect still says that there are no paired devices available, even though I'm disconnected from the VPN.
[07:03] <operator-error> Mrokii: is your phone connected to the same network (via WiFi) as your computer?
[07:03] <Mrokii> Yes.
[07:03] <operator-error> Hmmm... well that is strange
[07:04] <operator-error> The only time I've ever had an issue with my phone and computer not seeing one another was when one of them was connected to a VPN
[07:04] <Mrokii> And even though the popup say there are no paired devices, when I open the System Settings Module, it is shown as "paired". Very weird.
[07:05] <Mrokii> But it doesn't show up in Dolphin, or anywhere else, as far as I can see.
[07:06] <Mrokii> I can't say for sure, but I think I wasn't connected to a VPN each time this problem appeared. It happens quite regularly for me.
[07:07] <Mrokii> So much so that I will probably look for alternatives again. Quite annoying problem.
[07:07] <operator-error> Mrokii: Hmm, I'm not sure what to make of that.  Was there a time in the past when the two devices could see one another?
[07:08] <Mrokii> yes, but it's random when it's working. Often it does, but regularly it doesn't.
[07:09] <Mrokii> The last time it worked was maybe two or three days ago.
[07:11] <Mrokii> Okay... I unpared it on the desktop and used the Phone-App to manually reconnect. That seemed to do the trick. It's there now in Dolphin.
[07:12] <operator-error> Still strange that you would have to do that just to get it working again but, hey, if it's working now it's working :)
[07:16] <Mrokii> yeah. :)
[07:17] <Mrokii> Sometimes it works automatically, but if not I at least know now how to give it another try.
[10:04] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Uthayakumar run df-h in the konsole then mount /dev/sd(X) , whatever the sd(X) designation is given to your outboard drive
[12:08] <BluesKaj> then it should show up in dolphin devices
[12:13] <lordievader> Uthayakumar: What is the output of `ls /dev/disk/by-partlabel`?
[12:14] <lordievader> !paste
[12:15] <R13ose> My boot is hanging on "started update utmp about runlevel changes" All I did was sudo fsck -Af and sudo reboot. how do I fix this?
[12:15] <lordievader> Uthayakumar: by-path is fine too.
[12:16] <lordievader> Uthayakumar: Oh, sorry. Could you make that a `ls -l /dev/disk/by-path`?
[12:19] <lordievader> That is not an `ls -l /dev/disk/by-path`
[12:21] <lordievader> Hmm, it seems it was not detected. Could you remove the external disk. Run `sudo udevadm monitor --environment --udev` in a terminal and then connect the external disk again?
[12:27] <lordievader> That command should spew a lot of information when you connect the harddrive and power it on.
[12:27] <lordievader> If not... the kernel sees no disk.
[12:29] <lordievader> There is no next step. This is most likely a hardware problem. Does the disk work in another pc?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> usb?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> is the outboard connected via usb?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> I mean the external hard disk that's not detected
[12:41] <BluesKaj> what's on the that disk ?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> which file system/
[12:42] <BluesKaj> ?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> .tar is a compression app...I mean is it NTFS or EXT4 or some other type ?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> are any other NTFS drives showing up?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> so you have no other NTFS drives
[12:46] <lordievader> BluesKaj: His system doesn't even see the drive.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I know that
[12:48] <BluesKaj> lordievader, wonder if he has a  defective usb connector
[12:49] <lordievader> Uthayakumar: did you ever have the drive connected before booting the machine?
[12:49] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Could be.
[12:51] <BluesKaj>  Uthayakumar could you connect a differnt external drive to that usb connection to see if it shows up? You mentioned you have more than one external drive.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> or even just a usb stick , to see if that connection is working properly
[12:54] <BluesKaj> heh
[12:55] <BluesKaj> oh lord
[12:55] <lordievader> Uthayakumar: With the drive connected? Or without?
[12:55] <lordievader> If the former, it may fail again if removed and connected again.
[13:09] <lordievader> Ok... well. Good.
[13:47] <AlexZion> Hi everyone, I would like to install Kubuntu 18.04 on my laptop with nvidia optimus tech, someone here has already test it ?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> !optimus
[13:49] <BluesKaj> AlexZion,^
[13:50] <AlexZion> Hi BluesKaj so it means using nvidia proprietary driver ?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> !nvidia-prime | AlexZion
[13:52] <BluesKaj> !info nvidia-prime | AlexZion
[13:55] <BluesKaj> AlexZion, it will install the driver from ubuntu-drivers-common which I assume will be the recommended nvidia proprietary driverr which will be controlled by you thru the nvidia xserver settings gui that will install with the driver
[13:57] <BluesKaj> AlexZion, nvidia-prime is normally installed by default
[13:57] <AlexZion> thanks BluesKaj, but searching on the web I see a lot of negative comment that's why I'm asking here if someone is using it
[13:59] <BluesKaj> like  I said AlexZion , you have to install the recommended driver then control your optimus system with the nvidia gui in kmenu>settings
[14:01] <hateball> AlexZion: generally optimus is a pain, thats why there are negative comments
[14:01] <hateball> that said, you should be able to get it working with nvidia blob + nvidia-prime
[14:01] <BluesKaj> frankly AlexZion, optimus is not as well configured in linux as it is in windows
[14:02] <AlexZion> I understand BluesKaj and if it works in a stable way should be enough, I'm so worry about it because the laptop I ant to reinstall is the one I sue daily to work, so I cannot risk to have an unstable machine
[14:03] <BluesKaj> the laptop will be stable if you use the nvidia driver exclusively, but your battery will  just need to be recharged more often
[14:04] <AlexZion> hateball: I know is a pain, I'm using it since years, right now I'm running a Kubuntu 14.04 with bumblebee and it works pretty well even with some problem once in a while
[14:04]  * lordievader confirms optimus is a pain 😭
[14:04] <BluesKaj> optimus is a dumb system IMO, even on windows
[14:06] <BluesKaj> I heard about newer version of bumblebee is out there, but I don't think it's well supported anymore either
[14:08] <AlexZion> Unfortunatelly I don't have so much space to make other partition otherwise would be nice to keep this installation and install 18.04 on other partitions, may should I remove my dvd an put an SSD instead
[14:08] <hateball> AlexZion: it should at least work nicer on 18.04, but I dont think bumblebee is supported any longer
[14:09] <hateball> But I could be wrong !
[14:10] <BluesKaj> hateball, i haven't heard of many users using bumblebee on newer 'buntus
 Hi hateball! Unfortunately using balooctl did not help. Do you have another idea?
[14:18] <AlexZion> maybe should I consider to buy one of this and add an extra SSD instead of my dvd to install 18.04
[14:18] <AlexZion> https://hddcaddy.com/en/dell-hdd-caddy/673-dell-xps-15z-l511z-hdd-caddy.html
[14:23] <hateball> weltimeister I am afraid not, for me it has usually "just worked" after doing that
[14:23] <hateball> I dont know of any other way to reset baloo
[14:24] <hateball> weltimeister, seems you can "balooctl disable" and then remove ~/.local/share/baloo
[14:25] <hateball> and then I suppose if you balooctl enable, it should rebuild everything again
 Thank you very much! I will try that later today. 😊
[18:30] <denza242> hi
[18:30] <denza242> how do I telegram with kde's chat thing
[18:30] <denza242> ...or am I better off just using their client
 @hateball: It looks like deleting the baloo directory did the trick. Thank you so much! High five!  Thank you so much! High five! I owe you one! ^^
[18:45] <CoJaBo> So, the kwin hanging bug is still present in bionic? wow tho :/
[19:04] <user|24614> hey
[19:05] <user|24614> hey
 Hello! I was wondering if there is a way to increase the space where windows can be resized. It just seems to be one pixel and it's really difficult to find that spot with a hdpi screen and a fast trackpad.
[19:34] <genii> @bauchhaus System Setttings.. Appearance - Application Style ...Window Decorations ( in the left pane) ... Border size ( bottom right )
 I only have Widget Style and GNOMW Application Style (GTK) in Application Style
 genii: Typed "Window Decorations" in the general OS search and found it. Nothing happens until 'Large'. I kind of liked to have no visible borders visually, I wished there was a way to only have a larger (invisible) area where the window edge turns the pointer into the resize tool, but without changing the appearance.
[20:32] <genii> kmag might work to make the existing small border large enough to see and grab easily
[20:33] <genii> ( although I have not tried this myself )
 kmag is not what I want and it also doesn't show the mouse pointer changing it's symbol.  … So there is no way to only set the grabbable area without changing the appearance and no way to change the style to get a compromise between 'normal' (0 pixel) and large (4 pixel). Right?


[00:01] <ali1234> since I'm going to use this screenshot to slate KDE design i encourage you to make it look as good as you can :P
[00:06] <BigRedS> does KDE design need slating?
[00:06] <BigRedS> Isn't that a bit like grumbling that the sea is wet
[00:06] <ali1234> no, it's more like grumbling that the sea is full of toxic waste
[07:03] <bootlkjkgf> Morning ... not a bad day weather-wise today.
[07:15] <bootlkjkgf> AlanBell, morning
[07:45] <popey> morning
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:49] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:40] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:06] <jacobw> morning
[11:07] <jacobw> hey ali1234
[11:08] <ali1234> hi
[11:08] <Myrtti> moin
[11:08] <Myrtti> rainy :-(
[11:09] <jacobw> sunny but cold here
[11:30] <popey> $morning
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> \@morning
[11:45] <jacobw> &morning
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: that's so Perl4
[11:49] <jacobw> :P
[11:56] <bootlkjkgf> Wonder what happened to the '404-show' [ http://cnettv.cnet.com/the-404/ ] - must still be submerged. Still abiding by popey's post about not voting !: http://goo.gl/xB9qn
[12:03] <popey> bootlkjkgf, hmm?
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> Looks like random text + random links
[12:18] <danfish> g'day
[12:19] <danfish> anyone running ubuntu on their nexus 7? Any reviews?
[12:27] <popey> yes
[12:33] <danfish> popey: is it 'productive' system?
[12:33] <popey> it works, yes
[12:34] <popey> unity isn't really designed for tablets at the moment (contrary to what some may say) so it's not ideal, there are plenty of bugs
[12:34] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bugs
[12:35] <danfish> ok, quite a few bugs there but very exciting for the future :)
[12:36] <danfish> I like android on tablets, but there are a few annoyances that disrupt my workflow
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> I have a Chromebook now.. it's.. weird.. to only have a browser
[12:39]  * bigcalm staggers in for a bit
[12:40] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: is there any way to get to a terminal?
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> there's ctrl+alt+T
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> it gets you a limited terminal that can do ssh
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> and there's developer mode, which gives you full shell
[12:40] <popey> thats good enough for most things I'd guess?
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: it is for me
[12:40]  * bigcalm looks to see if he can put it on his eeepc1000
[12:40] <popey> does it sync your ssh keys to the cloud?
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: I don't think so
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> you have to install them from an SD card (or similar)
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> quad-core 1.7GHz ARM is fun though
[12:41] <popey> you cant generate them?
[12:41] <popey> oh, the arm chromebook?
[12:41] <popey> I had a brief play with one running ubuntu the other day
[12:42] <popey> seems nice, odd keyboard
[12:42] <penguin42> oh I hadn't realised those were Quad A15's, I'd assumed they were dual
[12:42] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: What network connectivity do they have?
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: mine has wifi (2.4, 5GHz 2x2 N)
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: the also have a version with 3G
[12:43] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: But nowhere to plug a bit of string in?
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: if you have a USB ethernet adapter it should work
[12:43] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: And it's USB2?
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> 1x USB2, 1x USB3
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> 1x HDMI
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> 1x SD
[12:45] <penguin42> oh, I didn't realise USB3; that makes it a lot nicer - you could get decent ether speed through that
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> limit for me is still my 15/1 DSL :)
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> but only 2 more weeks \o/
[12:45] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Well yeh, but still nice to be able to get to other machines in the house etc
[12:46] <bashrc> The idea of being stuck in a browser doesn't seem attractive
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> Got the "We're coming around to terminate fibre" letter
[12:46] <penguin42> bashrc: Well as MartijnVdS says, you can replace the OS completely
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> as in.. make the connections so I can order 100/100 or 500/500 \o/
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> in development mode, you can make it run Ubuntu if you really want to, apparently
[12:47] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Now annoy us by telling us how little you pay for that
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/22/googler-loads-ubuntu-on-an-arm-based-samsung-chromebook/
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: £229
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: on amazon
[12:47] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I meant for the fibre
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: oh the fibre? Free.. as I work for the isp ;)
[12:47] <penguin42> gah!!!!!
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: €40ish otherwise (per month)
[12:48] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: That's not bad at all; we can get I think 100/50 cable broadband for I believe about £35/month
[12:48]  * penguin42 is still on ADSL2 though at 10/1
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: that's VDSL?
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> (or VDSL2 or whatever)
[12:48] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: No the 100/50 is Cable, so fibre to the cabinet and coax from cab to house
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> oh wait _cable_
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> yeah we get 100-120mbit on that as well
[12:49] <popey> there were 3 guys hacking on the chromebook at UDS last week
[12:49] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: My exchange has fibre to do VDSL2 but the street cab I'm on hasn't got it :-(
[12:49] <popey> one was the guy mentioned in the article :)
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> The fibre people are trying to find routers that can actually do gigabit, and are affordable (so they can sell 1000/1000 -- cable won't be able to do that without replacing ALL routers and customer hardware)
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> Lots of routers with gigabit ports.. but most can't do PPPoE on a VLAN at full gbit speed :)
[12:50] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Is it GPON fibre ?
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: PON afaik
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: 2 fibres from every home to the POP
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: http://www.genexis.eu/medialib/304/fxp-productline-brochure.pdf
[12:57] <penguin42> very nice....
[13:46] <penguin42> right, new PC for dad ordered; delta 1 week until I have the pain of getting it going
[13:49] <cotswold> test
[13:49] <penguin42> toast
[14:01] <AlanBell> hi cotswold
[14:02] <bootlkjkgf> popey, Strange request : I'm slightly tired as I have just spent the past 4 hours looking a reddit pictures via imgur ... Do you have any more 'slightly' disturbing-stare-look pictures that you give every-so-often ?
[14:02] <bootlkjkgf> ... to wake me up.
[14:05] <AlanBell> that is a strange request
[14:09] <brobostigon> close encounters of the third kind, ch5, 14:45 :)
[14:09] <bootlkjkgf> .. it's OK .. I've twinnings Chai now .. AAhh Chai you are the only one who understands me.
[14:30] <madpup> afternoon all
[14:31] <AlanBell> afternoon
[14:31] <AlanBell> not enough geeky words rhyme with each other
[14:32] <madpup> quick question does intel gfx power scaling work in 12.10? it used to crash people in 11.10,12.04
[14:34] <AlanBell> dunno, how do I tell madpup
[14:36] <madpup> it was a kernel line into grub RC6********* something or other, i will do some research, and possibly post back
[14:36] <AlanBell> madpup: I have a laptop with intel graphics, it doesn't crash, but I have no idea how to do power scaling or what it is
[14:37] <madpup> ok man thanks for the help. if i find out i will post back
[14:50] <madpup> Alan i just looked into it and its still not 100% so im leaving this alone as this is my main pc and i want it stable
[15:54] <sagaci> Woking seems nice
[16:03]  * penguin421 doesn't think I've heard anyone comment on Woking before
[16:03]  * penguin421 has certainly never heard anyone say it's nice
[16:04] <AlanBell> it is nicely accessible by rail
[16:06] <jpds> AlanBell: So London City Airport.
[16:06] <jpds> So is*
[16:06] <AlanBell> depends where you are starting from :)
[16:07] <sagaci> Going to Guildford tomorrow
[16:07] <sagaci> Surely much more nicer than Upton park
[16:17] <SuperEngineer> popey: in case you're watchin: a while ago you took [& helped] me through reporting / cross linking a bug upstream... https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673533  :) thankyou.
[18:21] <Technomancer> o/
[18:21] <Technomancer> greetings from Gentoo
[18:22] <bigcalm> -.-
[18:23] <Technomancer> zleap: alive ?
[18:24] <zleap> yep
[18:24] <zleap> i was in #dclug on anoter sever
[18:24] <zleap> server
[18:24] <Technomancer> on mine ?
[18:24]  * Technomancer = Flash
[18:39] <zleap> ia m good
[18:39] <zleap> sorry playing with lego and stop motion
[18:40] <zleap> ah, i thought the name sounded familar
[19:48] <Seeker`> o/
[19:51] <mgdm> o/
[19:51] <Pendulum> hiya
[19:52] <popey> o/
[19:54] <AlanBell> \o
[19:54] <mgdm> How's everyone?
[19:55] <penguin421> full of apple crumble :-)
[19:56] <mgdm> a good way to be
[19:57] <penguin421> nod
[20:44]  * BigRedS has run out of cake :(
[20:51]  * mgdm has cake as his girlfriend just made some
[20:51]  * Laney has parkin for the same reason
[20:52] <mgdm> I believe that means I win an internet
[20:52] <mgdm> parkin?
[20:52] <Laney> cake made mainly from oatmeal + treacle
[20:54] <mgdm> ahh
[21:13] <zleap> hi all
[21:20] <BigRedS> Good morning!
[21:21] <BigRedS> Bug 1058073 has been annoying me all day, and I'm sure that were I more aesthetically inclined I'd know which theme to modify (or which theme to change) to fix it. Anyone got any suggestions?
[23:07] <bittin> i watched My Little Pony whole day :)
[23:08] <mgdm> You type well for an 8 year old!
[23:08] <bittin> :(
[23:13] <bootlkjkgf> AlanBell, You didn't miss much in the hangout .. it all turned politik eventually. Boring.
[23:26] <zleap> bittin, kids tv is wonderful eh
[23:53] <BigRedS> Kids TV redubbed in welsh is hilarious
[23:55] <shauno> I used to find padraig post oddly mesmerising
[23:57] <mgdm> Heh
[23:58] <mgdm> Now, there's a thing. Those were all made by the company I now work for (the Scottish Gaelic ones, I mean)
[23:58] <mgdm> I've been asking around for the tapes...
[23:59] <BigRedS> haha