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 @Hannah122 [<reply to media>], Firefox works fine in Libertine though with OTA13
 is it possible to use onlyoffice on Ubuntu touch?
 @M4rcosG4briel [is it possible to use onlyoffice on Ubuntu touch?], Probably not - perhaps if someone made a webapp for it's online version.  I tried OnlyOffice desktop on my x86 HP table running Makulu Shift (Ubuntu 20.04 base) yesterday and couldn't even get it to work there.
 @M4rcosG4briel [is it possible to use onlyoffice on Ubuntu touch?], Abiword and Gnumeric work ok in Libertine container with UT if using external keyboard and display.  Also - via my Dropbox account I am able to use online LibreOffice tools via UT's Morph browser.
 @M4rcosG4briel [is it possible to use onlyoffice on Ubuntu touch?], [Edit] Probably not - perhaps if someone made a webapp for it's online version.  I tried OnlyOffice desktop on my x86 HP tablet running Makulu Shift (Ubuntu 20.04 base) yesterday and couldn't even get it to work there.
 christmas day has come!
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 Just out of curiousity, Ubuntu Touch relies on surfaceflinger, or no?
 OTA-13 just got release and I'm already excited for OTA-14 … looks like multi-monitor and workspace support is slated for this OTA 😁
 my problem is, I'm not sure if any of Nexus 5s still have working external display 😅
[04:43] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> What does OTA stand for?
 I think Over the Air, meaning online updates
 Boot time seems really slow with OTA13 on Nexus 5
[06:08] <ubptgbot> <Captain Pugwash> Still eagerly awaiting GPS to get enabled on the pinephone.
 @Captain Pugwash [Still eagerly awaiting GPS to get enabled on the pinephone.], that's already working right? well I haven't really tried it yet myself but I think it works already
[06:33] <ubptgbot> <Captain Pugwash> Doesn't seem to be working yet
 @Javacookies [that's already working right? well I haven't really tried it yet myself but I th …], Nope: https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone#what-works-what-doesnt
 @jonny [Nope: https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone#what-works-what-doesn …], hmmm, I'm pretty sure I read it multiple times that they said it should be working...oh well 😄
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 Is this a known issue with libertine?
 It also tried to delete /dev/*
 @TotalSonic [Firefox works fine in Libertine though with OTA13], Imma use the deb probably
 Is there anyway to reset the rootfs? Preferrably without the installer, as my laptop still messed up
 can somebody points me to a doc or the steps to get halium 7.1 image installed on my N5 ?
 @lduboeuf [can somebody points me to a doc or the steps to get halium 7.1 image installed o …], In the forum https://forums.ubports.com/post/26668
 oh nice i mssed that one, thx :)
 [Edit] oh nice i missed that one, thx :)
 @Hannah122 [Is there anyway to reset the rootfs? Preferrably without the installer, as my la …], if it still boots, you can switch channel
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 For Mi a3 ? 🥺
 What apps don't work in OTA-13 on Xperia X?
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 @BigRockLonelyWolf [What apps don't work in OTA-13 on Xperia X?], I haven't switched yet to stable but if it's correct that it's arm64 then apps that don't have arm64 builds likr Bluetooth Transfer app
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 @Javacookies [I haven't switched yet to stable but if it's correct that it's arm64 then apps t …], It is armhf!
 @BigRockLonelyWolf [It is armhf!], really? I thought it'll be arm64. If it's armhf then all apps should be working
 @Javacookies [really? I thought it'll be arm64. If it's armhf then all apps should be working], On OTA-13 I used 2 app, uAdBlock and camera. The first crash immediately, the second crash immediately and crash also lomiri and you must reset the phone. One solution, comeback to devel channel.
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 @BigRockLonelyWolf [On OTA-13 I used 2 app, uAdBlock and camera. The first crash immediately, the se …], If you had an armhf system installed before you need to reinstall all apps. There is a button for that in the system settings
 @jonny [If you had an armhf system installed before you need to reinstall all apps. Ther …], I'll do it!
 I'm trying to switch to stable now but I can't 😅 … switching to RC shows image 4 but stable won't show anything … and there are 2 devel channels
 I haven't updated on devel for quite a while though
 The two devel channels are 32 and 64 bit
 First one should be 64
 Always make sure to install pending updates befor switching I guess
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 @Javacookies [OTA-13 just got release and I'm already excited for OTA-14 … looks like multi-moni …], slow down cowboy first we need the upgrade xD
 yeah, I can't even switch to stable on my xperia x 😊
 @Hannah122 [Is there anyway to reset the rootfs? Preferrably without the installer, as my la …], yes you can ssh in and run `sudo system-image-cli -b 0 --progress=dots` iirc
 [Edit] yeah, I can't even switch to stable on my xperia x 😅
 ohw wait without a laptop 😅
 @Javacookies [yeah, I can't even switch to stable on my xperia x 😅], oof hmm
 @NoDataMusic [For Mi a3 ? 🥺], if you're device is not listed on devices.ubuntu-touch.io. we need you to port it. visit docs.halium.org to get started
 maybe the gradual release of OTA-13 is still not completed so my xperia x can't see an update when switching to stable. I guess I'll wait for now
 wasn't there a command you were suppose to use to get it atm?
 I guess but I want to use the normal way 😄
 ah
 was the xperia x added to the installer this ota or something?
 [Edit] was the xperia x added to the installer this ota?
 it has been in the installer for quite some tim but stable channel starts with OTA13
 ah now i get it
 guess in the meantime we need to see how many apps needs a rebuilt then xD
 tho i honestly think the bt tranfer needs to be integrated into the system at some point
[13:15] <ubptgbot> dokie80 was added by: dokie80
 Hi all....
 Quick question: do I have to enable something to use convergence? … I just received my slimport, but getting no display on monitor
 I'm using nexus5 on 16.04 (ota-13) 9/22
 9/22 is last updated. Sorry
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 @dokie80 [Quick question: do I have to enable something to use convergence? … I just receive …], external display should just work with slimport adapter. most common issue is either adapter is not slimport, or you need a different HDMI cable
 Hi all, I'm interested to try Ubuntu Touch, what is the best device to start with? It's still the Nexus 5? I would like to try convergence as well. Thanks!
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 @dohbee [external display should just work with slimport adapter. most common issue is ei …], So I just need to enable external display in the setting?
 @dokie80 [So I just need to enable external display in the setting?], no. there's only wireless display stuff in settings. assuming the hardware is all good, when you plug in slimport adapter and external monitor, it should just work
 Do I have to setup libertine?
 no
 as i said, if it doesn't just work so that you get display on your external monitor, then it's almost certainly an issue with the hardware
 Okay. Thanks alot Rodney.
 Yeah. I guess so 😢. too bad.
 which adapter did you buy?
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[14:47] <ubptgbot> vladislav00h was added by: vladislav00h
 Not sure if it's fake or not.
 Around 20usd
 Tried on TV and monitor. … Tried 2 Hdmi cables
 Kiss from Russia and thank you all for your work
 Probably fake :D
 Don't have other device that support mhl, so can't try it on other device.
 @dokie80 [Don't have other device that support mhl, so can't try it on other device.], do you have another micro-B plug device that supports slimport and has android on it?
 Nope.
 @dokie80 [Don't have other device that support mhl, so can't try it on other device.], Sorry I mean support slimport
 I got S7 edge and nexus5 only
 Maybe I'll try n5 on android first later.
[15:35] <ubptgbot> GregoryMcOver was added by: GregoryMcOver
 try a shorter hdmi cable and also connect a power to the slimport adapter
 it's reall tricky to make it works because many factors that can be the reason why it's not working.
 @dokie80 [Tried on TV and monitor. … Tried 2 Hdmi cables], There are two different HDMI to micro USB standards IIRC. Maybe you need the other one?
 Or need an external power source. Might be wonky without it.
 @pv_bl [There are two different HDMI to micro USB standards IIRC. Maybe you need the oth …], The Nexus 5 is Slimport, and that adapter says "Slimport" on it
 Hello, somebody can help me with a build of Ubuntu touch ?
 @GregoryMcOver [Hello, somebody can help me with a build of Ubuntu touch ?], Please put a more specific question, that sounds really generic ^^
 @Javacookies [try a shorter hdmi cable and also connect a power to the slimport adapter], I did connect the power. No shorter Hdmi tho.
 I have a huawei bahl 09, bootloader unlocked. There is a sourse on linageos 16. I would like to build an ubuntu build, but I don't know how
 @GregoryMcOver [I have a huawei bahl 09, bootloader unlocked. There is a sourse on linageos 16. …], Well not so easy, you need in fact to port for your device, it needs kernel modifications as well as glue-scripting hardware enablement, trying out 1000 things  that might fail etc. It can take weeks to months to get 100% working. Just sayi
[16:12] <ubptgbot> ng what to expect
 Here is the start of the guide: http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 @dokie80 [I did connect the power. No shorter Hdmi tho.], I see, then perhaps try a different TV/monitor or try plugging out and in thr slimport … or try different combination of which port to plug in first
 I have 2 Nexus 5 and I think more than 5 slimport adapters and it can be tricky make it work 😅
 @Flohack [Well not so easy, you need in fact to port for your device, it needs kernel modi …], As far as I understand, I have already tried to compile the kernel for nethunter. fail. I think it won't work here either?
 D
 Depends. Official LineageOS kernels should build without issues. I never saw any problems with that
 If you want to know for sure then first try to build LineageOS yourself, before trying to port
 @dokie80 [I did connect the power. No shorter Hdmi tho.], are you using actual computer monitor, or a TV or such for this?
 Both
 Tried on TV and monitor with no success
 The thing is, I'm from Russia. And I don't really understand you
 thx you for advice
 @GregoryMcOver [The thing is, I'm from Russia. And I don't really understand you], We have a Russian language group they might be able to help
 Try https://t.me/UBports_Ru
 thx
 Not working on stock firmware too 😅
[17:04] <ubptgbot> abbi_lyn was added by: abbi_lyn
 hmm, I wonder why reinstall all apps won't actually reinstall all apps … there select apps that don't get included
 they are not available for arm64?
 how hard is to to compile an app for arm64?   I'm missing a next cloud sync like  ubsync ( i think that's what it was called)   would provide
 @Dark_Thaddeus [how hard is to to compile an app for arm64?   I'm missing a next cloud sync like …], if there's a working click package, should be a matter of passing -arch arm64 to clickable or so
 @mzanetti [if there's a working click package, should be a matter of passing -arch arm64 to …], oh sweet .  /me goes n googles
 @dohbee [they are not available for arm64?], they do, I just needed to reinstall them via openstore
 @Dark_Thaddeus [how hard is to to compile an app for arm64?   I'm missing a next cloud sync like …], oh I didn't know ubsync isn't available on arm64. I also need it....hmmm....looks like I'm missing a number of apps switching to arm64 😅
 How do I remove all the extra languages and that in Ubuntu touch?
 You don't. Unless you're modifying the rootfs and don't care anyway, then `apt remove` the language packs. They'll be put back whenever they change on an update though.
 Yeah i understand they'll be added, I need space for Firefox xD
 Does Firefox in the rootfs work in a way that Firefox in Libertine does not?
 Idk
 Libertine crashes my phone
 I suspect that there will be no difference, but good luck
 Any app?
 @UniversalSuperBox [Any app?], ?
 Does any application in Libertine crash your phone?
 If you need space and you're happy to mess around with the rootfs, why not extend it.  Then you won't have a problem longer-term.
 [Edit] If you need space and you're happy to mess around with the rootfs, why not extend it?  Then you won't have a problem longer-term.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Does any application in Libertine crash your phone?], No libertine never installs
 Settings crashea
 @imraniqbal [If you need space and you're happy to mess around with the rootfs, why not exten …], 8 GB storage :(
 You could extend to say 3GB and leave yourself 5GB instead of 6GB...
 @imraniqbal [You could extend to say 3GB and leave yourself 5GB instead of 6GB...], I might do that
 Does it work on bq e4.5
 That I don't know, depends on the partitioning scheme.
 @imraniqbal [That I don't know, depends on the partitioning scheme.], OK
 This was the post I used: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1326/help-resizing-the-root-partitiion.  Not recommended for general users.
 @imraniqbal [This was the post I used: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1326/help-resizing-th …], IDC lmao
 I use arch btw
 I think it's more complicated on the bq E5 … If I'm not mistaken bq devices and Meizu use real partitions instead of loopbacks like on Nexus 5
 @Javacookies [I think it's more complicated on the bq E5 … If I'm not mistaken bq devices and Me …], Yes, that's the partitioning situation that I must have heard about.
 Ota-13 on Dora many apps don't open, anyone similar experience?
 @alexmigf [Ota-13 on Dora many apps don't open, anyone similar experience?], if you were using armhf rootfs before and switched to stable arm64 channel now, you will need to use the previosly mentioned "reinstall all apps" feature in system settings
 @dohbee [if you were using armhf rootfs before and switched to stable arm64 channel now, …], Ok, I will try that, thanks
 @jonny [If you had an armhf system installed before you need to reinstall all apps. Ther …], I I installed the OTA-13 and reinstalled the apps, this is the list of the ones that don't work: … - bluetooth; … - ebay italy (not important); … - camera (and I don't understand why since it works with the tagger and digilevel apps); …
[18:20] <ubptgbot> - gitlab (not important); … - instagraph; … - kaidan; … - pockit; … - twitter-web. … I also add that it is impossible to do the speakerphone with the app for phone calls.
 bluetooth file transfer needs to be recompiled for arm64 source at https://github.com/floop2/ubtd
 i presume its the same with the rest of that list
 some are probably oxide, which i think doesn't exist on arm64
 @Fuseteam [bluetooth file transfer needs to be recompiled for arm64 source at https://githu …], seems the click manifest is already fine for that... should be just running it through clickable indeed
 Libertine status: Removed
 What?
 I give up
 eh?
 Too much effort for a better browser tbh
 "better browser", right
 I prefer firefox
 you're going to need to do a lot more work than using libertine, to get a properly usable Firefox on UT
 @BigRockLonelyWolf [I I installed the OTA-13 and reinstalled the apps, this is the list of the ones …], You could remove those and install them again via OpenStore. If OpenStore does not find one, then an arm64 click for that app was not provided by the maintainer.
 me too but i think the best way would be to run firefox through clickable and adapt its interface
 @dohbee [you're going to need to do a lot more work than using libertine, to get a proper …], I know
 @Fuseteam [me too but i think the best way would be to run firefox through clickable and ad …], Yeah but I lazy
 Idk how to click able
 I know apt xD
 it's fairly easy tbh, once you get it building that is
 @Fuseteam [it's fairly easy tbh, once you get it building that is], Lol
 I about to lose wifi
 Speak later xD
 i have tried several like https://gitlab.com/fusekai/Surfer
 but uhhh no dice yet hehe
 [Edit] but uhhh no dice yet hehehehe
 I don't see how firefox will be better … Sure it has more features than morph but its UI isn't mobile optomized … distors on the pinephone try to make it fit and usable and I think it's still not good
 @BigRockLonelyWolf [I I installed the OTA-13 and reinstalled the apps, this is the list of the ones …], some don't have arm64 builds and some use oxide (old webengine) so they won't work anymore
 yeah the UI is probably the final hurdle tbh
 first the click then the rest xD
 @Javacookies [some don't have arm64 builds and some use oxide (old webengine) so they won't wo …], which webengine is is used nowadays?
 qtwebengine
 besides even if firefox is installable morph is not removable
 I think porting apps from Oxide to WebView shouldn't be too hard. IIRC the api was 80% the same... Message passing was a little bit different
 but it's been a while
 @Javacookies [I don't see how firefox will be better … Sure it has more features than morph but …], I wonder why none of distros tried to run it in Kiosk mode and ressurect FirefoxOS/B2G UI
 yeah, I think it'll be quite easy but I guess most of the ones that still use oxide are the "abandoned" ones
 @NotKit [I wonder why none of distros tried to run it in Kiosk mode and ressurect Firefox …], mayba that was removed already? I don't know....
 oh well, I guess with OTA 13 released and more arm64 devices, there will be effort to bring older apps to arm64. It's just a matter of someone starting it 😄
[18:46] <lejocelyn> ubports on Pinephone is quite interesting !!
[18:46] <lejocelyn> Just got it started from an sdcard
 @Javacookies [oh well, I guess with OTA 13 released and more arm64 devices, there will be effo …], Thats why Android has java, no one gives a f about arch and its much easier for devs (for simple apps)
 Also we do not support older sdks, so apps need to be constantly recompiled we should change this in the future
 And between Nexus 4 and 5 what Is better? How UT runs?
 Thx 😁
 @Gabriele [And between Nexus 4 and 5 what Is better? How UT runs?], I understand that the Nexus 5 experience is better overall.
[19:02] <lejocelyn> can I update my UT from the command line to the new version?
 @lejocelyn [can I update my UT from the command line to the new version?], Yes scroll up
 Dalton sent instruction
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 has been released at 1% phase for testing the upgrader. If you're chomping at the bit to upgrade your device on the stable channel, you may run `sudo system-image-cli --progress=dots -p 1` to get the update right meow.
 Here
[19:06] <lejocelyn> Hannah122, what does it do exactly ? download an image and upgrade the system ?
[19:06] <lejocelyn> can't do it with apt-get ?
 @lejocelyn [can't do it with apt-get ?], You must not use apt with Ubuntu Touch (only with Libertine)
 @lejocelyn [Hannah122, what does it do exactly ? download an image and upgrade the system ?], Yes
 @lejocelyn [can't do it with apt-get ?], you can but it's not the same and may actually break the system
[19:17] <ubptgbot> TRASHMAN707 was added by: TRASHMAN707
 hi how bout for redmi note 4x(mido) is there any stable yet?
[19:20] <lejocelyn> can I make the microphone and headphone work with Ubports on a pinephone?
 @Javacookies [oh I didn't know ubsync isn't available on arm64. I also need it....hmmm....look …], sadly it isn't as simple as —arch arm64 :(
 oohh maybe it is. i just had to update the manifest.json.in to have a arm64
[19:32] <lejocelyn> can I install ubuntu packages on UT ?
[19:33] <lejocelyn> do I just have to settup the repositories ?
 @lejocelyn [can I install ubuntu packages on UT ?], you can create a libertine container and install legacy or CLI apps in it
 on pinephone though, X11 apps will not work yet
[19:43] <lejocelyn> ok, thanks
[20:04] <lejocelyn> hum, the graphical software installer does not support switching to another software while the installation is being processed ?
[20:05] <lejocelyn> everytime I do something else to not watch the progress bar but go on the web, the installation process is restarted
[20:08] <lejocelyn> it would be better if at least the package being downloaded was kept in cache
 @lejocelyn [everytime I do something else to not watch the progress bar but go on the web, t …], @neothethird ? YOu mean UBports Installer?
 That would be a new property, never saw this before
 No, the open-store
 ah sry for ping then lol
[20:09] <lejocelyn> the open-store
[20:10] <lejocelyn> UBports installer, what is it for ?
 Installing the os
[20:10] <lejocelyn> ah ok
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/1XM6vGC2.mp4
[20:11] <lejocelyn> I was using UBports through the multiple distro demo image
 @lejocelyn [I was using UBports through the multiple distro demo image], Ahh cool
 Not official remember though
[20:12] <lejocelyn> true
[20:12] <lejocelyn> the author says some stuff works better, some do not :)
[20:14] <lejocelyn> it gives an idea of various OS available for the Pinephone
 @BigRockLonelyWolf [I I installed the OTA-13 and reinstalled the apps, this is the list of the ones …], oh yeah, oxide is gone in arm64 so I think that is why most of those webapps don't work
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 @mateosalta [oh yeah, oxide is gone in arm64 so I think that is why most of those webapps don …], I know, but there was apps without oxide and I don't know why, I must restart the phone 2 times and now work fine!
 oh that is good
[21:59] <ubptgbot> <Medrod Kuzma> https://bit.ly/2RMCjN7
 @NotKit [I wonder why none of distros tried to run it in Kiosk mode and ressurect Firefox …], Like kaios?
 @lejocelyn [can't do it with apt-get ?], Apt doesn't work with system images
 @BigRockLonelyWolf [I know, but there was apps without oxide and I don't know why, I must restart th …], Arm64 :p
 So guys how the installation process usually
 Hows
[23:43] <ubptgbot> Mirek190 was added by: Mirek190
 Hello
 @LIFELIKE83 [So guys how the installation process usually], what do you mean?
 @Mirek190 [Hello], welcome