[00:00] <erialdo> no i did not install those there
[00:01] <SimonT> scratch that, I'm heading home..  It was GPT and ntfs formatted. Is there any chance of recovering any files?
[00:04] <intricatus> Was what I meant to say...
[00:05] <akik> erialdo: it's really easy to test: "sudo useradd -m erialdo2" and "passwd erialdo2"
[00:06] <Delphin> anyone use Archipel? I'm having a problem where its not connecting to my central agent, I'm using the latest nightlies but not quite sure whats wrong
[00:07] <Magnos> hi
[00:07] <Bashing-om> intricatus: I do not know about NTFS, but GPT partitioning has a backup partition one can move into place in a ext4 situation, maybe NTFS is the same ?
[00:08] <Magnos> whar you talking about guys
[00:08] <erialdo> @akik its empty the home folder of erialdo2
[00:09] <akik> erialdo: so you can't compare the old and new dirs?
[00:09] <erialdo> i created with bash
[00:09] <erialdo> so by default they are empty
[00:09] <akik> erialdo: you need to login with erialdo2
[00:10] <erialdo> ah ok sory
[00:10] <erialdo> got it
[00:12] <akik> ericnoan: you can then see the original dir with "sudo su - erialdo"
[00:13] <akik> hmm oh he left
[00:13] <vimes> hello! Any one remember the command to get the CLI locale confiugrer in ubuntu server?
[00:13] <tekisui> what´s a matter with you boyyyyyyy
[00:13] <tekisui> i dunno
[00:14] <Bashing-om> vimes: ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales " ??
[00:14] <vimes>  thanks Bashing-om :)
[00:18] <DexterF> hi
[00:18] <tomreyn> helo
[00:18] <DexterF> in suse I had this in fstab: <IP_ADDRESS>:/ /mnt/server/ nfs4 defaults,noauto,comment=systemd.automount 0 0
[00:19] <DexterF> so systemd would automount nfs4 when accessed. now in ubuntu it won't work, I have to manually mount as root and then have no access
[00:19] <DexterF> tomreyn, 200 DexterF
[00:20] <tomreyn> :) are you responding http on smtp?
[00:21] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs
[00:21] <DexterF> tomreyn, gah, blew the joke, dammit :D
[00:23] <akik> DexterF: with nfs the access permissions come from the nfs server. maybe your user doesn't have access to /mnt/server/ ?
[00:23] <DexterF> yes, autofs, could do, would prefer to stick to the systemd hack for elegance and simplicity. will see if I can figure it or go autofs
[00:27] <DexterF> akik, oh, you could be right, I used to have this user ina  group. I re-added and spawned a login shell, but "groups" still doesnt show it... so, side quest: how to have new groups take effect without a full logoff/logon?
[00:27] <akik> DexterF: newgrp command
[00:28] <tomreyn> DexterF: looks like you need to use the fstab option of "x-systemd.automount" instead of "comment=systemd.automount"
[00:28] <tomreyn> that's according to http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man5/systemd.mount.5.html
[00:29] <DexterF> tomreyn, will check
[00:39] <DexterF> akik, newgrp does not get me anywhere. I tried but it asks for a password, then is on about something with the hash salt
[00:41] <akik> DexterF: can you see your username in /etc/group on the line that defines the new group?
[00:41] <witch3r> hey
[00:41] <DexterF> akik, yes, I manually edited it in there
[00:42] <DexterF> better usermod?
[00:43] <anon> WADAP NIGGAZ
[00:44] <akik> newgrp: failed to crypt password with previous salt: Invalid argument
[00:44] <MWM> I recently had a USB3 ehternet adapter start to act up.  It would kill my connection and all other connections every few minutes.  I am not sure which if any logs would be relevant
[00:44] <akik> DexterF: i get that with newgrp test
[00:44] <DexterF> akik, that one
[00:44] <sudolsnano> yo
[00:44] <sudolsnano> I have a problem
[00:45] <DexterF> who doesn't
[00:45] <akik> DexterF: weird it has worked for me before
[00:45] <DexterF> akik, I'll be extremely uncool now and logoff/logon
[00:46] <akik> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/1355111
[00:46] <akik> dexta: ther
[00:46] <ZeZu> I have a binary, and when I try to execute it via terminal,  it just says bash: xgenem: No such file or directory
[00:47] <akik> dexta: there's a comment that grpconv will fix it
[00:47] <ZeZu> Kindof weird,  it definitely exists and it is +x and i have all appropriate access
[00:47] <akik> heh again they leave
[00:50] <gemcat_> hi i am trying to install java on ubuntu and have gone off track
[00:52] <gemcat_> i created a directory and extracted the java but now need to get it on the path
[00:53] <gemcat_> sudo update-alternatives --set javaws /usr/local/java/jre1.7.0_45/bin/javaws gives an error 'no alternative for java"
[00:55] <gemcat_> well actually rel.7.8_131 but no cigar
[00:57] <pedahzur> I have an Ubuntu 16.04 install running LightDM.  From the *login* screen I did Suspend, which worked, and it was able to wake up. But...it gave me a lock screen with just a "password" field. NOTE: I was not logged in. I tried the passwords of two users on the box (one admin, one not), and I couldn't get it to unlock.  1) What do I do here? 2) Why is it giving me a lock screen when there is no one logged in?
[00:57] <pedahzur> FYI: this is Lubuntu, if it matters.
[00:57] <pedahzur> All packages up-to-date.
[00:59] <DexterF> akik, have access... of sorts... mounted dir has 775 perms and user is in group. says "op not permitted" nonetheless, *unless*: I have root ls the dirs first, after that, the user can access them, too
[01:00] <gemcat_> pedahzur, not disrespectful but did you try just hitting return
[01:00] <akik> DexterF: the uids/gids need to match somehow on the client and the server
[01:00] <MWM> pedahzur : what happens when you press ctl + alt + F1 ?
[01:03] <Shunk> Hey guys
[01:05] <Shunk> How's everyone doing?
[01:05] <bazhang> ubuntu support issue Shunk ?
[01:05] <Shunk> Yeah
[01:07] <MWM> must have been a network issue
[01:13] <pedahzur> gemcat_: yup! :)
[01:14] <pedahzur> MWM: goes to virtual console 1. ctl-alt-f7 goes back to the lock screen.
[01:14] <MWM> can you login from the virtual console and then fix your lightdm settings?
[01:17] <selsper> trying to play runescape and this happens when it loads: https://i.imgur.com/HGMXt4F.png
[01:18] <pedahzur> MWM: Yes, I can login to VC 1...but what setting do I fix? How do I tell LightDM not to do a lock screen when sleeping at the login screen?
[01:19] <selsper> any ideas?
[01:20] <pd1> selsper: ist it started twice?
[01:20] <MWM> pedahzur: to be perfectly honest I am not sure .  "startx" should start a desktop session for you and then you will be able to alter your settings to from there.
[01:21] <selsper> no, one of those is just the loading screen thingy
[01:21] <pd1> selsper: start it by hand from the terminal and see the error messages
[01:21] <pd1> thats a black screen - hard to help with that info ;)
[01:21] <selsper> how do i run something from the terminal
[01:21] <selsper> yeah man... no shit
[01:22] <Bashing-om> pedahzur: Take care what DE you start with 'startx' . has but limited applications .
[01:22] <pd1> windows-key, type "terminal", in the terminal type "rune and press tab, if it do not ecpand to runescape but show it then type "runescape"
[01:23] <gemcat_> nite
[01:23] <pedahzur> So, therre is a light-locker-settings program. And it has a "Lock on suspend" setting. But it seems like you would want that when logged in...but NOT when noone is logged in.
[01:23] <pedahzur> MWM, Bashing-om ^^
[01:24] <pedahzur> I could just disable lock-on-suspend, as I don't need it for this application, but it feels wrong.
[01:24] <selsper> ok i did that
[01:25] <Bashing-om> !sysrq | pedahzur
[01:25] <selsper> it just loaded with the same problem and no output in the r
[01:25] <selsper> terminal*
[01:26] <pedahzur> Bashing-om: Thanks.  I can get to a terminal and reboot. It's just I need to make sure the system doesn't do a lock screen on the login screen. :)
[01:27] <Bashing-om> pedahzur: Sorry. I do not know what to advise in that instance .
[01:28] <selsper> i really don't know what to do to try and trouble shoot thi
[01:28] <selsper> s
[01:31] <pd1> selsper: so you have an application that shows no messages on startup and fails?
[01:32] <Dexter_F> something different: how can I install/preview/apply gtk3 themes in xfce without messing with gtk2?
[01:32] <MWM> Security and Privacy as well as Power Settings have entries for Suspend.  1st is to make sure you have those set as you like.  Then there is the lightdm.conf.... but that is foreign territory for me
[01:32] <selsper> something like that
[01:36] <selsper>  what is goin on??
[01:37] <whatthwhy> can someone help me with a wget command on terminal im using ubuntu but the site cannot function correctly when downloaded the functionality is broken because all the picutres dont download this is the site http://prod.grimm.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/exclusives/trailer/index.shtml
[01:37] <whatthwhy> i use 'wget -r -k -e robots=off http://prod.grimm.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/exclusives/trailer/index.shtml' in terminal
[01:38] <whatthwhy> and multiple sub pictures dont get downloaded
[01:39] <whatthwhy> i also tryed 'wget -m -p -e robots=off http://prod.grimm.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/exclusives/trailer/index.shtml' with no luck same files didnt download
[01:39] <pd1> whatthwhy: when you try to wget the files directly - you get them?
[01:40] <Oerheks> likely he has no access to that, lolz
[01:40] <whatthwhy> pd1: yes i can wget individual files fine
[01:42] <whatthwhy> pd1: the site is like a flash image tour to tour around with images most files download correctly but in the HTML files code there is like a * = to add in certain words for the images but the wget doest make those links even when i mirror
[01:43] <selsper> this is driving me insane, i cant i
[01:43] <selsper> find a way to fix this
[01:45] <whatthwhy> pd1: its like a inserter lines like this in the index wont download
[01:45] <whatthwhy> pd1: Blutbad 									Jagerbar
[01:45] <mr_techie> hi i am new to #ubuntu but i use freenode
[01:46] <pd1> whatthwhy: write a script. get the index, extract the  tags and get them one at a time. maybe faster that searching for the perfect oneliner
[01:46] <pd1> do not think wget would follow  without hre3f
[01:46] <pd1> but i maybe wrong
[01:47] <mr_techie> no ur right it follows
[01:51] <whatthwhy> pd1: i got disconnected
[01:52] <tonyt> The government today, announced that it's changing it's emblem from an Eagle to a CONDOM, because it more accurately reflects the government's political stance .  It just doesn't get more accurate than that
[01:52] <pd1> whatthwhy: could see that
[01:52] <pd1> mr_techie: you mean wget would follow a ? or not?
[01:53] <pd1> tonyt: how is that even remotely conenctet to ubuntu?
[01:53] <whatthwhy> pd1: so it wont download the FILE the inserter files in the index
[01:54] <whatthwhy> pd1: mind oyu i dont know much about wget but i did read a guide and im no expert at html either
[01:54] <whatthwhy> pd1: so my bad for no using the correct term
[01:55] <Dexter_F> tonyt, love it
[01:56] <underd0g> hello all
[01:58] <mr_techie> i think never tried it :|
[01:58] <rud0lf> selsper: still fighting with runescape
[01:58] <rud0lf> ?
[01:59] <selsper> yes
[01:59] <rud0lf> i found a solution :)
[01:59] <selsper> wowe
[01:59] <rud0lf> mind a pm?
[01:59] <selsper> no
[02:01] <way2wonder> hello
[02:12] <selsper> can somebody help me check if graphics drivers are installed/ working?
[02:12] <ZeloZelos> i am using blender from the website, how do i get the terminal to know when i type blender i am referring to the one i downloaded?
[02:13] <selsper> i keep thinking its a graphics card issue, but maybe it's something else
[02:14] <mach20x> I have a R9 380X in my system and after updating to -72 for 16.04 LTS two of the video ports are not working.
[02:14] <ChaiTRex> ZeloZelos: Add a symlink to ~/bin: mkdir ~/bin; ln -s /path/to/blender/you/want ~/bin/blender
[02:14] <ChaiTRex> ZeloZelos: Then restart terminal.
[02:14] <ZeloZelos> or how do i run "blender -r" in the terminal, it thinks im talking about blender from the repo and tells me i can install it
[02:15] <ZeloZelos> i see, thank you ChaiTRex
[02:15] <ChaiTRex> ZeloZelos: You're welcome.
[02:16] <mach20x> anyone have an idea what I can do to get it to work? Was there something in that last update that was supposed to update the GPU firmware?
[02:32] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, it finished :)
[02:32] <omagash> How to fix this?https://pastebin.com/nisBYy2j
[02:34] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: finished and all well ??
[02:34] <omagash> How to fix this?https://pastebin.com/nisBYy2j
[02:38] <Bashing-om> omagash: move "/etc/grub.d/40_custom.save" somewhere else . run 'sudo update-grub ' and advise on result of ' sudo apt update '
[02:39] <xealits> \help
[02:40] <Grorco> so I'm so confused ./run.sh  :permission denied         sudo ./run.sh    :command not found          wth am I doing wrong?
[02:41] <Ben64> Grorco: probably a lot. what is run.sh
[02:42] <Grorco> Ben64, the setup for burst coin wallet
[02:43] <omagash> Bashing-om: can I remove 40_custom instead"
[02:43] <omagash> ?
[02:43] <Ben64> check with the developer, might be something wrong
[02:43] <Grorco> Ben64, with the awesome instructions of for linux run ./run.sh in terminal lol
[02:43] <mat__> hi, what is up ?
[02:43] <Ben64> Grorco: sounds sketchy
[02:44] <Divo> Hey everyone! I borked my nvidia drivers. Anyone got a second to gimme a hand? I've already expended my google fu
[02:45] <mat__> Divo: any details ?
[02:47] <Ragter> Hello. I have a very n00b question if someone can help me. Looking to create a service that will mount my drives.
[02:48] <Bashing-om> omagash: No, 40_custom is default . If you are not comfortanle with moving /etc/grub.d/40_custom.save, you may remove the execute bit, Now as to what is going on in that file - only you presently can say - or why you made it up .
[02:48] <mat__> Ragter: what you want to achieve
[02:49] <Ragter> [Unit] Description=Mount - Automated mounting of external hard drives  [Service] ExecStart=mount /dev/sdb ~/external Type=simple User=server Group=server  [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target
[02:50] <Ragter> That was my service i was trying to run. To boil it down i want to perform "sudo mount /dev/sdb ~external" every time the machine serboots.
[02:52] <omagash> Bashing-om: I'll move 40_custom on any dir like /home/?
[02:56] <Bashing-om> omagash: Yeah, -40_custom.save !! - that will work , anywhere that you are comfortable and know where to find in when the need arises .
[02:57] <omagash> Bashing-om: since I just discovered the mv command, I tried it out like this: sudo mv /etc/grub.d/40_custom /etc/grub.d/40_custom.save
[02:58] <omagash> then sudo update-grub works flawless, seems like it has to be named with .save extensiob
[02:59] <Bashing-om> omagash: Well, grub reads ALL the fils in the grub.d directory. IF -40_custom.save does not serve a grub purpose it needs to be gone !
[03:00] <omagash> Bashing-om: lol, thanks for the help btw
[03:02] <Grorco> Ben64, I opened the sh file, it was a one line java command copy paste to terminal worked fine lol
[03:02] <Bashing-om> omagash: Naw .. on the delete .. not yet ! ya want a 40_custom file. My default files : http://termbin.com/ul6s .
[03:03] <FuZi0N> Is there anyway to see a list of services which are configured to start upon boot?
[03:04] <omagash> Bashing-om: English please (please elaborate), I'm new to linux
[03:07] <Ragter> FuZi0n systemctl status
[03:08] <Ragter> It'll show you every service and you'll have to hit enter to go through all the pages
[03:08] <Bashing-om> omagash: .. What is your goal here - as a 'mv' command just renames a file . see ' man mv ' . you do not want a duplicated file in that directory .
[03:09] <FuZi0N> Ragter: but these are just a list of all services not specifically the ones which run on boot...
[03:10] <omagash> My goal is to add Remix OS entry to grub via grub customizer but the program won't run
[03:10] <Ragter> I misunderstood. Don't know the answer to that question.
[03:11] <FuZi0N> ok
[03:11] <FuZi0N> thanks
[03:13] <The_Slayers0Wn> evening all
[03:14] <Bashing-om> omagash: In the file 40_custom ., the line " exec tail -n +3 $0 ' . Care to sharewhat yoyr goal here is in messing with grub's files and paste the files contents so we can straighten this out ?
[03:14] <The_Slayers0Wn> thank god for open source
[03:14] <The_Slayers0Wn> thank u all for having a support page
[03:14] <The_Slayers0Wn> :)
[03:15] <omagash> Bashing-om: not sure, just got those commands here: https://www.reddit.com/r/RemixOS/comments/41275z/any_ways_to_add_remix_os_to_grub2/
[03:15] <Bashing-om> omagash: I am reading your reddit link .
[03:15] <omagash> Bashing-om: it's a code from parker
[03:16] <Divo> mat__: Sorry, was dealing with a crisis :P
[03:16] <omagash> Bashing-om: this code: https://www.reddit.com/r/RemixOS/comments/41275z/any_ways_to_add_remix_os_to_grub2/cyzzbj3/
[03:17] <Divo> https://askubuntu.com/questions/476655/ubuntu-14-04lts-graphics-driver-how-do-i-revert-to-my-former-set-up-when-i-have
[03:17] <Divo> It's this same problem, but I can't get to a terminal once it's booted. I get nothing from the display at all
[03:18] <omagash> Bashing-om: ge
[03:20] <omagash> Bashing-om: hey, I did what you told me before, the mv the 40_custom to /home, did the grub-update, now it's working like defaults! Thanks, again :D
[03:20] <Divo> If it's possible to change back to the open source video drivers by changing xorg.conf or something I can do it from the USB version I have running
[03:22] <Bashing-om> omagash: Good .. as to the reddit . in 'buntu there is a step left out - and there are cleaner ways to make a menu entry .
[03:23] <Divo> And I just realized the person I was explaining my problem to is gone now... derp.
[03:23] <The_Slayers0Wn> :)
[03:23]  * The_Slayers0Wn passes a beer to everyone who will drinks
[03:24] <pd1> Divo:chroot into the system and deinstall the prop. driver/install the opensource one?
[03:26] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, hubby went to sleep, i haven't tried to start LibreOffice on his system again yet
[03:27] <The_Slayers0Wn> libre is nice
[03:27] <The_Slayers0Wn> i had a work event they used office and i was able to use libre to edit
[03:27] <The_Slayers0Wn> i no longer will use windows tired of it
[03:27] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: K; We will not know 'til the app is fired up and see the results . I can wait :)
[03:28] <The_Slayers0Wn> how is everyone doing this evening ?
[03:33] <Snowie> hi all, for a while i've had a weird graphical error on unity desktop (16.04), across multiple users both with and without default themes. The shadows under some application windows appear as solid white with rainbow dots. any idea where to start troubleshooting. couldn't work out what to search for
[03:35] <Snowie> https://imagebin.ca/v/3JuBjdZpM2bE
[03:37] <The_Slayers0Wn> snowie
[03:37] <The_Slayers0Wn> graphics
[03:37] <The_Slayers0Wn> what driver r u using ?
[03:37] <The_Slayers0Wn> intergrated or prop?
[03:38] <The_Slayers0Wn> i would start with driver snowie
[03:38] <Snowie> The_Slayers0Wn: Prop
[03:38] <The_Slayers0Wn> ok
[03:38] <The_Slayers0Wn> try to use intergrated and not prop
[03:38] <pd1> Snowie: if you dont need shadows you might want to just remove them as a quick fix
[03:38] <The_Slayers0Wn> and see if problem goes away
[03:39] <Snowie> The_Slayers0Wn: Ok, will give that a go
[03:39] <The_Slayers0Wn> also check the vendor of the graphics and see if they have a updated driver
[03:39] <Snowie> pd1: would prefer to keep them if i can, but yeah i did see you could disable them with a compiz manager. will give that a try too
[03:39] <The_Slayers0Wn> it happen to my dad before
[03:39] <Snowie> The_Slayers0Wn: will do, thanks guys. I'll report back.
[03:39] <The_Slayers0Wn> np
[03:39] <The_Slayers0Wn> :)
[03:40] <pd1> Snowie: or label it a feature! "finky rainbow shadows" or some like that. sorry for spamming...
[03:40] <The_Slayers0Wn> pd1 no shame in that
[03:40] <The_Slayers0Wn> i had a lamer try to mass flood me right now
[03:40] <The_Slayers0Wn> :)
[03:40] <The_Slayers0Wn> but no go
[03:41] <The_Slayers0Wn> gentlemen
[03:41] <The_Slayers0Wn> bbl
[03:41] <The_Slayers0Wn> bbq with open source rocking me out
[03:47] <DarkZero> #vault7
[03:49] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, error: javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment! Warning: failed to read path from javaldx
[03:49] <chalcedony> so it starts to start but doesnt actually start
[03:51] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: Sorry, I know nothing of how java works .
[03:51] <Bashing-om> !jre | chalcedony
[03:52] <chalcedony> okay..
[03:52] <chalcedony> lets see Bashing-om :)
[03:53] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: At this point all I can offer is a shoulder to cry on :)
[03:53] <chalcedony> :)
[03:54] <chalcedony> im looking
[03:55] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: I do not "trust" java so do not run java . So far I have made out .
[03:55] <Ranger15> anyone familar with raid tool mdadm
[03:55] <chalcedony>  *jdk*
[03:55] <chalcedony> *jdk*: command not found
[03:56] <chalcedony> looks like it isnt in this
[03:57] <amicrawler> has any body heard of ubunut 17.04 crashing a computer hardware and rebooing
[03:57] <amicrawler> i installed a 3TB 7200 rpm toshiba
[03:57] <amicrawler> with ubunut 17.04
[03:57] <Ranger15> I add 5 drives and start using them, then I noticed it was not the right size. I put one wrong drive that was 1.5G and not 3T. So the raid 5 volume is only using 1.5 on all drives. How can I fix this with out destroying the raid volume?
[03:57] <amicrawler> crashes when i put a load on the drive
[03:58] <Ben64> amicrawler: sounds like a hardware problem for sure
[03:58] <amicrawler> humm put my old drive in works fine
[03:58] <amicrawler> im on the same computer but with old drive in it
[03:58] <Ben64> ok
[03:58] <amicrawler> hardware is a dell oplex 980
[03:59] <amicrawler> the drive is a seagate 160GB
[03:59] <Ben64> so that means its the not old drive causing the problem
[03:59] <amicrawler> 8MB ram on the drive
[03:59] <amicrawler> the new drive 3TB 64MB ram on the drive
[04:00] <amicrawler> they are booth 7200rpm
[04:00] <amicrawler> are the new driver not as good
[04:01] <amicrawler> the new drive was very warm
[04:01] <Ben64> it probably is defective
[04:01] <amicrawler> when i took it out of the case
[04:01] <amicrawler> new ?
[04:01] <Ben64> if it crashes on one drive and not another, with everything else being the same, it points to the drive as the culprit
[04:02] <amicrawler> yes the have a failer of 5%
[04:04] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: I do not know if ya need openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre ( or other ). Others here will have to pick up my slack
[04:05] <amicrawler> i guess ill go get a seagate or a wd
[04:05] <chalcedony> http://openjdk.java.net/install/index.html
[04:05] <chalcedony> it will get jdk 8 and we'll see
[04:09] <amicrawler> what sata drives are good  i'm used to scsi
[04:09] <amicrawler> 7200rpm and 10k drives
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> amicrawler: perhaps you are looking for the ##hardware channel?
[04:11] <amicrawler> is there for ubunut ?
[04:12] <maychai> Hi all
[04:12] <grantwu> amicrawler: You're saying that when you installed Ubuntu on the new drive, it crashed, but when you installed it on the old drive, it didn't?
[04:13] <grantwu> Are you sure your hardware is new enough to support 3 TB drives?
[04:13] <amicrawler> yes
[04:13] <amicrawler> yes its a i3
[04:13] <amicrawler> 8GB ram
[04:13] <amicrawler> dell 980
[04:13] <grantwu> Is the 3 TB drive old?
[04:14] <amicrawler> im using 3TB ext drive usb3
[04:14] <grantwu> Was the previous drive internal?
[04:14] <amicrawler> no new out of the box
[04:15] <Bashing-om> amicrawler: 3TB drive best I recall must have GPT partitioning (??).
[04:15] <amicrawler> used what ubuntu installer used
[04:15] <Unline> whats your partition table amicrawler?
[04:16] <amicrawler> ext4
[04:16] <EriC^^> amicrawler: how did it "crash" ?
[04:16] <EriC^^> and when/
[04:16] <amicrawler> today
[04:16] <amicrawler> 5x's
[04:16] <EriC^^> no i mean during what phase of the installer
[04:16] <Unline> its recommend to use GPT for hard drives bigger than 2TBs
[04:17] <amicrawler> i was going to install back to 14.04.5
[04:17] <amicrawler> crached 85%
[04:17] <amicrawler> crashed at 85% done from usb stick
[04:17] <EriC^^> that's about the part where grub is getting installed
[04:18] <EriC^^> did it say an error message?
[04:18] <amicrawler> nope
[04:18] <Unline> are you sure about your installation source?
[04:18] <YankDownUnder> amicrawler: Are there any BIOS settings pertaining to USB ports on that Dell Optiplex?
[04:18] <amicrawler> just reset the hole computer
[04:18] <amicrawler> yes
[04:18] <EriC^^> did you glimpse what it said in the installer befre it crashed? like 'installing ... or something' ?
[04:18] <amicrawler> at 1st the drive was setup as raid0
[04:19] <amicrawler> then told the bios goto Legacy drive setup
[04:20] <grantwu> what does that mean o.O
[04:20] <grantwu> You mean, the SATA controller was set to RAID mode?
[04:20] <amicrawler> ubuntu did its normal setup
[04:20] <amicrawler> yes
[04:20] <grantwu> Okay... but... this is an external drive...
[04:20] <amicrawler> nope
[04:20] <grantwu> You said it was an "3TB ext drive usb3"
[04:20] <amicrawler> internal drive
[04:20] <Guest24463> Hi, I have mscorefonts downloaded and I forgot how to install it. It was a command like reconfigure? I'm not sure how to scroll up in hexchat to see.
[04:21] <grantwu> how do you have an internal USB 3 drive
[04:21] <amicrawler> sorry i do have a 3TB ext drive as well
[04:21] <grantwu> Guest24463: If that's an apt package, perhaps try dpkg-reconfigure ?
[04:22] <amicrawler> the install would goto grub mode
[04:22] <amicrawler> after boot
[04:22] <amicrawler> would not goto desktop
[04:23] <EriC^^> amicrawler: are you in the live usb right now?
[04:23] <amicrawler> then told the bios goto legacy mode for drive
[04:23] <amicrawler> no
[04:23] <amicrawler> im on my old drive
[04:23] <amicrawler> it works
[04:23] <Guest24463> Maybe something like that.
[04:23] <EriC^^> amicrawler: on ubuntu?
[04:23] <amicrawler> it is a 160GB
[04:23] <YankDownUnder> Guest24463: After you installed - and the installer went through all the "dialogues" - did you do the: sudo fc-cache -f -v
[04:23] <amicrawler> yes
[04:23] <amicrawler> 14.04
[04:23] <EriC^^> amicrawler: is the other drive hooked up?
[04:24] <amicrawler> no
[04:24] <grantwu> Might be worth plugging it in and looking at SMART stats
[04:24] <grantwu> It's possible that it's the drive's fault, but it's also possible that there was some sort of unrelated issue
[04:24] <amicrawler> like ?
[04:24] <grantwu> Also, I would use AHCI mode instead of any legacy SATA controller mode
[04:24]  * grantwu shrug
[04:25] <grantwu> I've had the Ubuntu installer random crap out before
[04:25] <YankDownUnder> LIke? LIke the cable you're using to plug in the external with - like possibly rust/corrosion in the USB port itself...BIOS settings might not be right...heaps of strange things...
[04:25] <amicrawler> what does AHCI do?
[04:26] <grantwu> YankDownUnder: It's not an external - as far as I can tell, amicrawler has both a 3TB external and a 3TB internal
[04:26] <amicrawler> usb3 card new
[04:26] <amicrawler> that is correct !
[04:26] <grantwu> AHCI is a newer standard that should provide a little more performance
[04:27] <Unline> he's got a 3TB external and a 160GB internal i think
[04:27] <grantwu> no they've got a 3 TB external, a 3 TB internal, and a 160 GB internal, aiui
[04:28] <grantwu> I'm not sure why they bothered mentioning the external
[04:28] <Unline> what a mess
[04:28] <Guest24463> no, download failed.
[04:29] <YankDownUnder> Guest24463: "Download failed" -> right, well, that's not a good thing...either which, here's a great "How to!" for the MS Core fonts => https://www.ostechnix.com/install-microsoft-windows-fonts-ubuntu-16-04/
[04:31] <Guest24463> Yeah, I downloaded it manually and got it working before, but something messed up.
[04:32] <Guest24463> I was dumb and didn't bookmark the guide.
[04:32] <YankDownUnder> Guest24463: Downloaded it...right...and where is that file now? Is it a .DEB file, or is it something else?
[04:33] <amicrawler> looks like the biso supports up to 2TB
[04:33] <amicrawler> not 3
[04:34] <Guest24463> sudo dpkg-reconfigure ttf-mscorefonts-installer worked I think. thanks.
[04:34] <Unline> mbr supports up to 2,if you have a bigger storage, its better to use GPT
[04:35] <grantwu> I am... surprised to hear that there is an Intel Core i3 platform that doesn't support GPT o.O
[04:35] <YankDownUnder> amicrawler: Have you checked to see if Dell has a BIOS update for that particular machine? (They often do)
[04:35] <amicrawler> https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1799877-dell-optiplex-980-support-for-booting-a-4-tb-gpt-drive
[04:35] <YankDownUnder> grantwu: Keyword: "Dell Optiplex" (not a super duper crash hot machine, and not a T.A.R.D.I.S., neither)
[04:37] <grantwu> hrm... looks like you're out of luck...?
[04:37] <grantwu> If you have the money to spare, you are probably happier with a small boot SSD anyways
[04:37] <amicrawler> did you see the page
[04:40] <grantwu> Yes
[04:40] <grantwu> It appears to indicate that your computer doesn't support booting from GPT
[04:41] <amicrawler> gpt?
[04:41] <grantwu> Although... You could format it with an MBR and ignore the last 1TB
[04:41] <EriC^^> it all doesn't make sense
[04:41] <grantwu> GPT = new partitioning table format
[04:42] <EriC^^> first of all mbr doesn't mean it can't support 3tb, it means it cant have larger than 2tb partitions
[04:42] <grantwu> Oh, hrm
[04:42] <EriC^^> 2nd of all if he said the installer crashed at 85% and he rebooted and got grub, then it is able to boot the bootloader code
[04:43] <EriC^^> the installer after installing grub starts removing unneeded packages, so maybe it isn't reaching the desktop cause of something else (try nomodeset maybe?)
[04:43] <amicrawler> i did not reboot the computer reboot by its self
[04:43] <EriC^^> yeah, whatever
[04:43] <EriC^^> !nomodeset | amicrawler
[04:44] <Unline> yeah and i said "it's better to use GPT", yeah we know it supports more than 2TB
[04:54] <codepoetn> can someone reset my password if i have set the root password
[04:55] <thundeer> heeelp. setting up ssh keys for digital ocean. but i dont understand the proper way to set up to pairs of keys. do i rename them or put them in seperate folders? show I create af config file?
[04:58] <YankDownUnder> codepoetn: The only way someone can reset your password is if you're logged in - and they can access the user/group control panel applet or a terminal...therefore, if the workstation is locked - unless someone already knows YOUR password, no...they can't reset your password.
[04:58] <YankDownUnder> thundeer: Doesn't "Digital Ocean" (whoever they are) provide documentation for setting up keys for the end users?
[04:59] <thundeer> YankDownUnder, they have a guide for setting up one pair of keys, but not for several. I was wondering how you guys prefer to handle it.
[05:01] <chull> Bashing-om, the java stopped the java error, but libreoffice --writer doesn't open a document, neither does clicking in the interface opened by typing libreoffice
[05:01] <YankDownUnder> I'd prefer to do it exactly the way the vendor directed me to do it. It costs money to write documentation and policies and procedures.
[05:02] <Bashing-om> chull: Think'n .. seems we are missing a module . lemme see what I can come up with .
[05:04] <Bashing-om> chull: ' dpkg -l libreoffice-writer ' ??
[05:04] <vinc> ?
[05:05] <vinc> ??
[05:05] <Bevalz> hi guys,I need some help on locale
[05:05] <Bevalz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24431450/
[05:09] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, you are marvelous :)
[05:11] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: Simetines I just make a lucky guess :)
[05:11] <Lamp> ayy
[05:11] <Lamp> i just migrated to ubuntu :D
[05:11] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, pastebinning
[05:11] <Lamp> but i got wifi problems again
[05:11] <Lamp> HAELP MEH
[05:11] <YankDownUnder> Lamp: Please don't "yell".
[05:12] <Bevalz> Lamp: paste your log or your screenshot,please
[05:12] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/hvwUmeCT
[05:13] <Lamp> i got the driver working and can connect to my network, but cant connect to the internet
[05:13] <Lamp> cant resolve any hostnames i think
[05:13] <YankDownUnder> Lamp: That is going to be DNS related.
[05:14] <YankDownUnder> Lamp: Check the gateway and DNS for that connection.
[05:14] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: So, install it .. ' sudo apt install --reinstall libreoffice-writer ' .
[05:15] <Lamp> screenshot http://imgur.com/ERRMZg6 ; on all other systems with mac os (including this computer) it works fine
[05:16] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, getting it
[05:16] <YankDownUnder> Lamp: There is no IPv4 for this adapter. Is the network ONLY IPv6?
[05:17] <Lamp> no, in mac os everything works fine; just connect and it sets up everything
[05:17] <thundeer> any webdevelopers present?
[05:17] <nik3> Im having problem using mpi_send()
[05:18] <YankDownUnder> Lamp: I shall ask the question again. Is the network ONLY IPv6 - is your router set up for ONLY IPv6 and no IPv4? Whether or not it works with the Macs is not the issue.
[05:18] <Lamp> no; IPv4 is enabled
[05:19] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, got it.. looking now
[05:19] <Lamp> other computers have an IPv4 address
[05:20] <YankDownUnder> Lamp: Right. So, apparently THIS machine does NOT have an IPv4 address. Your choice is then to either GIVE it a static IP address with the proper gateway and DNS, or allow it to get one via DHCP. Hmm? Easy peasey.
[05:20] <Bevalz> Lamp: try set ipv4 address manually
[05:22] <Bevalz> Lamp: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-manual.html
[05:24] <thereyougo> is there some ubuntu specific website related to security where one can see what fresh vulnerability related that affect ubuntu are found and patch them as fast as possible ? or its better to just read some known security websites because they would have that information ahead of any other secondary security related websites ?
[05:25] <chalcedony> Bashing-om,
[05:25] <chalcedony> it still doesn't seem to be opening a document with libreoffice --writer, or clicking on writer or it says documents we can see don't exist.
[05:26] <Lamp> ok ima see if it works
[05:26] <Ben64> thereyougo: https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/
[05:27] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: Beats me ., we got any hints when opened from terminal ?
[05:27] <thereyougo> thanks
[05:28] <Lamp_> YAY it works
[05:29] <YankDownUnder> Lamp_: Good. You're buying the donuts. Preferably donut shaped donuts.
[05:30] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, that's the weird part, nothing at all
[05:30] <chalcedony> it looks like it should be working, no errors
[05:30] <Lamp_> i'm wondering why the dhcp didn't set itself up  like it always has on other machines
[05:31] <Lamp_> usually it'd take care of everything
[05:31] <Lamp_> but whatever as long as it works
[05:31] <Lamp_> and doesn't disconnect because i have servers to host D:
[05:31] <Lamp_> thanks irc
[05:32] <thatlizdude> hello, I would appreciate if someone helped me diagnose why Ubuntu didn't take my correct password? log: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9df760be03752a54d7bca05b6adb3977
[05:33] <thereyougo> Ben64: how about this resource https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security ?
[05:33] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: well,, we can remove it and see what we get when re-installing libre-writer ??
[05:34] <thatlizdude> any help appreciated :)
[05:37] <thatlizdude> is anyone here? :/
[05:39] <thatlizdude> I was here 2 days ago, nobody answers
[05:39] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, remove writer?
[05:39] <chalcedony> thatlizdude, sure there are people here
[05:40] <pd1> thatlizdude: lots of them, but if no one answers it seems to be a difficult problem
[05:40] <pd1> the first thing i see is: check pass; user unknown
[05:44] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: Well for lack of a better thing to try . We did have " un  libreoffice-wr <none> " so surely can not hurt more to remove it and try a fresh install and see if there are any errors reported . Now those with familiarity with the app may know what config files to look at .
[05:46] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Yep. Looked twiced through that log. "authentication failure; logname= uid=1000 euid=1000 tty= ruser= rhost=  user=metheuser]" kinda says it all, I reckon.
[05:46] <thatlizdude> pd1 yeah but the password is right
[05:47] <Bevalz> thatlizdude: :)
[05:47] <thatlizdude> YankDownUnder can you tell me what was the problem then?
[05:47] <thatlizdude> I'm sorry if I'm not understanding something simple
[05:47] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Yes. Your username and password aren't copasetic.
[05:48] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: DOUBLE CHECK that the username and password ARE absolutely correct. Easy done.
[05:48] <thatlizdude> i restarted, entered same pass, and it worked
[05:48] <thatlizdude> the password was five 0's
[05:48] <thatlizdude> how can I mess that up.
[05:48] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Do NOT give out passwords on IRC or anywhere online, bro...bad form, that.
[05:49] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Heaps of things can "mess that up".
[05:49] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Is this a "multiseat" setup?
[05:49] <thatlizdude> it's the computer password, nothing cloud based, I'd never use a simple password if I'd really need it protected
[05:50] <thatlizdude> what do you mean multiseat
[05:50] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Ain't gonna argue semantics...it's just "not good". Either which, if you don't know what "multiseat" means, then it doesn't matter - it's not setup for multiseat...
[05:51] <thatlizdude> is it about me sharing my pass?
[05:51] <thatlizdude> if yes, sorry, now why couldn't I log on :(
[05:51] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: BACK TO THE ISSUE AT HAND...you were having issues with your username/password...are you using "auto login" or are you logging in manually when you reboot or logoff or whatever...?
[05:51] <thatlizdude> I needed access to terminal output, but I had to restart, so I don't have it
[05:52] <thatlizdude> I got it setup so when I close laptop it won't do anything, the screen just goes off, then when open, it asks for the password
[05:52] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: If you hit CTRL+ALT+F1, you should be able to get to a terminal login (tty1)
[05:53] <thatlizdude> this happened 2 days ago
[05:53] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: So it's gone into SLEEP or HIBERNATE mode. That *should* only require your password.
[05:53] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, we only tried with writer first. i don't know if other parts of it might work
[05:53] <thatlizdude> YankDownUnder I tried to get into terminal login, it still didn't take the pass
[05:54] <thatlizdude> I'll be right back, give me 5-10
[06:01] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: The other parts : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice . dplg -l then all and see that all parts are installed . Best I can advise at this late time .
[06:02] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: that be ' dpkg -l libreoffice-calc ' and alllll of them down .
[06:04] <chalcedony> Bashing-om, ok ty much :)
[06:04] <chalcedony> youve been at this all day
[06:06] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: No more than you, I bet you are tirder than I :P
[06:07] <YankDownUnder> Bashing-om: What was the primary reason for the difference in LibreOffice packages? Kinda followed a bit, but then fell off...
[06:08] <Bashing-om> YankDownUnder: repo, PPA and snap versions - OP wanted the PPA version - at the start libre office was uninstalled .. with lots of residuals !
[06:09] <skinnymg1> hello all, need a bit of help getting my ethernet port working
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> !details | skinnymg1
[06:10] <YankDownUnder> Bashing-om: Ah. Hmm. Lovely. Thanks. Alleviates the mystery (not really, but my cup of care is nearly empty) :)
[06:11] <skinnymg1> fresh install of 17.04, wlan0 is posting in lspci output, but no eth0
[06:12] <lilibox> hi
[06:14] <lilibox> i am trying the last ubunto on old netebook, hp nx 7400 with BCM 4311 wifi chipset which is currently not seen, please could you anybody to point me at ultimate easy solution how to make it running? i had no success with ndiswrapper method, pretty thank you
[06:17] <Bashing-om> YankDownUnder: Well my cup of sleep runneth over . goots to cease and desist .
[06:18] <Bashing-om> chalcedony: ^ If ya do not get this fingered out, we pick this back up tomorrow .
[06:20] <YankDownUnder> chalcedony: At least now you know that all men break things. Even if they cannot be broken, a man will break it.
[06:21] <thatlizdude> YankDownUnder  ok I'm back
[06:21] <thatlizdude> do you know what the issue could've been?
[06:22] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: I have absolutely NO idea because 1.) I'm not there 2.) I can only guess based on the data you give me and 3.) You gave me the incorrect username and password.
[06:23] <thatlizdude> what do you mean you gave me the incorrect username and pass, what would you need it for?
[06:24] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: You're trying to login to The Answer Server. Incorrect username/password. Access denied. Give me a donut.
[06:24] <thatlizdude> tell me what logs you need
[06:24] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: JOKING, bro....relax, mate...
[06:25] <thatlizdude> I'll provide you the logs, just tell me
[06:25] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: One of the things I was wondering about is this: when the machine is "woken up" from sleep/hibernation, the keyboard is not registering properly - so when you're trying to enter in "0" it's actually entering in ")" or something similar - does that make sense?
[06:25] <thatlizdude> I really wanna know what the issue was
[06:25] <thatlizdude> yeah
[06:25] <thatlizdude> so how would I fix that?
[06:25] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: I've seen that more than a few times...especially on IBM laptops...
[06:26] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: One of the resolutions that I have with a client of mine that HAS an IBM is to NOT put the machine to sleep.  Ain't like it's hard to do, really. Not very convenient, but it works.
[06:26] <thatlizdude> all right, problem partially solved, it's a laptop issue
[06:26] <thatlizdude> so external keyboard?
[06:26] <alexday> hello
[06:27] <alexday> where can I get some help on logrotate
[06:28] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: No...not using an external - unless you prefer to use an external...it's all about the desktop/window manager not "remembering" the keyboard mapping when it's in sleep/hibernate.
[06:29] <thatlizdude> but for so I fix it?
[06:30] <thatlizdude> or wait, so it's Ubuntu, not the laptop?
[06:32] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: I told you the fix. Easy enough. When you're done, shut it down, or completely logoff. Simple.
[06:32] <thatlizdude> but I need it to be running as a server
[06:33] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Well, then again you've answered your own question, bro. Merely logoff. Simple! Yay!
[06:34] <thatlizdude> if I log off, the terminal won't be running...
[06:35] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Solution: On the console (tty1) -> do what you're going to do. Which is ungodly simple. Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 -> login -> run what you need to run -> while that's doing it's thing, hit CTRL-ALT-F7 and you're back at the graphical login. Hmm?
[06:36] <thatlizdude> so basically without using the GUI?
[06:36] <alexday> question https://gist.github.com/argentum47/2bdcdc4fa52d308841a694105de24cc5 so whenever I run the logroate command .. it says using /bin/gzip on error.log file .. but it actually doesn't create any gz file . I am not sure what the error is
[06:36] <thatlizdude> I mean that would be kind of a limitation
[06:37] <bismilah> ?
[06:37] <thatlizdude> I don't know if it's my English...
[06:37] <thatlizdude> so the issue is keyboard mapping, which is caused by incompatibility
[06:38] <thatlizdude> I tried ttyl1 before I believe, didn't seem to work for login
[06:38] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: What is the limitation of running your program(s) from tty1 so that it's not going to interfere with your GUI login? (and vice versa)
[06:39] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: If you CANNOT login to tty1, then either your username or password is incorrect. Simply put. Very simply put.
[06:39] <thatlizdude> YankDownUnder but I'd still need to login, right?
[06:39] <thatlizdude> okay
[06:39] <thatlizdude> and if I can login in ttyl1, can I then switch to GUI?
[06:39] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: What is the "program" that you have to have running? Have you looked into running the "program(s)" automatically and in the background?
[06:40] <thatlizdude> It's a terminal running a .jar file
[06:40] <thatlizdude> Discord bot
[06:40] <thatlizdude> since I don't wanna pay for hosting, I'll do it myself
[06:40] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: So running it from tty1 is not an option?
[06:40] <thatlizdude> I never tried
[06:41] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Well now you have a NEW thing to try! Yay!
[06:41] <thatlizdude> but if I login in tty1 can I switch to graphical?
[06:41] <thatlizdude> well here we go, I tried tty1 and it says login incorrect
[06:42] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: You can login to tty1 AND login on tty7...easy done.
[06:42] <thatlizdude> O I WAS DOING IT WRONG
[06:42] <thatlizdude> I didn't type in user xD
[06:42] <thatlizdude> but still, before it didn't work on graphical
[06:43] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Since you found you were making a mistake at the tty1 login, you might want to rethink whether or not you MAY have been making a mistake on the GUI login...hmm...
[06:43] <YankDownUnder> "Ain't no meat in these here hot dogs, ya know"
[06:44] <thatlizdude> I'm pretty sure the password was right on graphical, it's just entering password
[06:44] <thatlizdude> what could have I messed up
[06:45] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: P.E.B.C.A.K. error...look it up...Google is your friend. :)
[06:45] <thatlizdude> ok so even if I'll be able to get to the tty1, I still won't get to graphical.
[06:46] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Is there a reason you HAVE to have a graphical login? Does the .jar create a GUI of some sorts, or output to a GUI? I only know and can judge by what you tell me.
[06:46] <thatlizdude> no, but what if it happens under different circumstances
[06:47] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: What exactly IS the .jar you HAVE to run - so that you can "be your own server" - please, by all means, enlighten me...
[06:47] <thatlizdude> well don't work about it, let's say it was my issue..
[06:48] <thatlizdude> I told you it's just a Discord bot
[06:48] <thatlizdude> I don't wanna pay for hosting
[06:49] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Ok...let's pretend as if I do not know what that is...it's *only* a bot? ONLY a bot? Then it can run happily from a tty1 login whilst you do what you wish to do in a graphical environment...easy done...easy peasey.
[06:49] <thatlizdude> oh and let me ask the geeks here: do you cover your webcams?
[06:49] <thatlizdude> you're right YankDownUnder , thank you very much for taking the time
[06:49] <YankDownUnder> I cover mine with pr0n.
[06:49] <thatlizdude> to explain
[06:50] <thatlizdude> aight :D
[06:51] <thatlizdude> thanks again, I'm going
[06:58] <StumpDumb> Hello all...Im running Ubuntu 16.04LTS and when I go to the Ubuntu crop circle I get None of my apps, is there a way to refresh this area? And yes I've tried all different Category selections?
[06:59] <StumpDumb> nope I'm still here
[07:00] <YankDownUnder> StumpDumb: "Ubuntu crop circle"? Hmm...most people end up using Synaptic for package management...it just works...without issue...hmm...has your system been updated lately?
[07:01] <newbie123> I am planning to create a router using Ubuntu. Should I just copy/past the firewall rules from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router/Firewall ??
[07:05] <skinnymg1> Forgot my password, can I reset it?
[07:05] <ducasse> newbie123: you _read_ that link and use the information to write firewall rules that are appropriate your use-case.
[07:06] <ducasse> !password | skinnymg1
[07:08] <rikital> is there a channel for arch?
[07:08] <ducasse> !alis | rikital
[07:08] <StumpDumb> From the desktop, the top of the quick launch bar is an Ubuntu wheel, when U click it U can search for an app. file ....etc. I have Nothing listed here.
[07:09] <notinuse> does anyone have experience with running ubuntu on a rk3066 device?
[07:13] <newbie123> ducasse, If just do #sudo ufw default deny && sudo ufw enable .....Will it be enough ?
[07:15] <ducasse> newbie123: if you have no idea how to set up a firewall you might want to start with something a bit more preconfigured for that. if you really want to do it yourself you need to do some serious reading.
[07:17] <newbie123> ducasse, I will be using Raspberry Pi ..Any suggestions ?
[07:19] <ducasse> newbie123: an rpi is not well-suited as a router, so i suspect there isn't many ready-made things available. maybe openwrt/lede runs on it.
[07:21] <Ben64> not enough throughput in a pi to make a good router
[07:26] <ducasse> newbie123: there are plenty of low-cost devices out there that do make decent routers, but you will still need to do some reading. that is off-topic here, though. ars technica had some articles on building your own router a while back, try those.
[07:27] <newbie123> ducasse, Okay
[07:54] <skinnymg1> I fixed everything myself, thanks for the help
[08:06] <mint_> Ubuntu 16.04.2 ISO may be compromised the checksum from the torrent doesn`t match http://imgur.com/a/tO8h3 http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.2/MD5SUMS
[08:06] <Ben64> well where did you download it from
[08:07] <pd1> thats not an md5
[08:07] <Ben64> ooh thats true
[08:08] <pd1> thats most likely a sha1 without having counted the chars
[08:08] <pd1> or a sha256
[08:11] <mint_> sha256
[08:12] <mint_> downloaded torrent from ubuntu servers
[08:13] <kingbeast> bf43cutter driver problems, should I do some type verbose output to get some help?
[08:13] <mint_> someone please could check the torrent sha256
[08:13] <pd1> mint_: thats the sha256 of the iso?
[08:14] <pd1> mint_: with that name? ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[08:14] <Ben64> mint_: what's the exact size
[08:15] <mint_> pd1 the pic is the sha256 using mint's right-click option and it doesn't match the sha256 from release.ubuntu
[08:16] <pd1> i know
[08:16] <FreddyP> most be a conspiracy leaping liizards
[08:16] <pd1> you knwo what that "right clock" option calls?
[08:18] <mint_> what could cause the change of sha256? is it normal for a torrent client to corrupt the iso?
[08:18] <Ben64> mint_: it probably didn't finish downloading
[08:19] <mint_> it did
[08:19] <Ben64> well, your hash result says otherwise
[08:20] <mint_> ?
[08:20] <FreddyP> does the iso work?
[08:20] <ducasse> mint_: as Ben64 asked, what is the exact size?
[08:20] <Ben64> if it finished, since torrents check as they go, it would be the right hashsum
[08:20] <mint_> I deleted it about 2 hours ago
[08:21] <YankDownUnder> So technically, I could have uploaded that ISO and covered my tracks - to have someone inadverently download it...(sarcasm)
[08:21] <Ben64> of course, your os could be compromised, it is mint after all. or your drive could be bad, or other less likely things
[08:21] <pd1> wait 4 minutes i am downloading it...
[08:21] <Ben64> i already downloaded it, it matches sums
[08:21] <pd1> then: thanks for seeding Ben64 :P
[08:21] <mint_> I downloaded the iso using windows but as far as I know the torrent is the same for any os
[08:21] <Ben64> nah man, hit and run
[08:22] <Ben64> mint_: to answer your question, nope it's fine
[08:22] <mint_> I'm still worried I'll go back to windows and download it there and check it again
[08:22] <Ben64> k
[08:22] <mint_> I'm 100% sure the torrent was completed
[08:23] <mint_> bye
[08:33] <maze_> Hi, GRUB is disappeared when starting pc, how to reinstall it from a Live USB?? (UEFI)
[08:34] <YankDownUnder> maze_: Single boot system or dual boot?
[08:34] <maze_> YankDownUnder: dual boot with windows 10
[08:35] <maze_> YankDownUnder: I booted from a Live USB to test some stuff and then at reboot GRUB wasn't there anymore
[08:35] <YankDownUnder> maze_: GRUB wasn't on the USB, or on the hdd?
[08:35] <pd1> maze_: the dual boot is UEFI too?
[08:36] <maze_> pd1: Yes, dual boot is UEFI
[08:36] <maze_> YankDownUnder: It's strange, because booting from USB live shouldn't mess up witht he GRUB into the HDD
[08:36] <maze_> YankDownUnder: But already happened 2 times that grub disappears after rebooting when I booted from a live USB
[08:36] <maze_> YankDownUnder: The first time I reinstalled linux and it fixed GRUB too
[08:37] <maze_> YankDownUnder: because I don't know how to restore GRUB
[08:37] <YankDownUnder> maze_: Not going to give my opinion on booting with Windows (insert your version here)...check the BIOS first...
[08:37] <maze_> YankDownUnder: The bios looks normal
[08:37] <maze_> YankDownUnder: Windows 10
[08:37] <maze_> YankDownUnder: It has worked fine for 2 days in dual boot with GRUB
[08:37] <YankDownUnder> maze_: Check, then double check. Did you make any changes to BIOS to boot from the USB in the first place?
[08:38] <maze_> YankDownUnder: No, just plug the USB in and press F12 at start, then selecting USB to boot from the usb
[08:38] <maze_> YankDownUnder: F12 is the boot menu, not the bios itself
[08:38] <pd1> maze_: that can mess things up
[08:38] <maze_> YankDownUnder: But even in the bios it looks all the same
[08:38] <YankDownUnder> maze_: DOUBLE CHECK THE BIOS. TRIPLE CHECK even...
[08:38] <maze_> YankDownUnder: I already did
[08:38] <YankDownUnder> "Looks the same" and IS the same are two different things.
[08:39] <pd1> the gpt partition is on top of the boot order?
[08:39] <maze_> YankDownUnder: I triple checked everything and the bios has the same settings
[08:39] <maze_> pd1: No, the first it Windows Boot Manager, the HDD, then CD, etc
[08:39] <maze_> pd1: It was the same even when the dual boot and GRUB worked fine
[08:40] <YankDownUnder> I need ice cream. And coffee. And an unloaded gun.
[08:40] <pd1> Windows boot manager does not sound like its grub
[08:40] <maze_> pd1: It's a UEFI system
[08:40] <maze_> pd1: I never saw GRUB neither LINUX in the bios boot list
[08:40] <pd1> ubuntu is on top of mine
[08:40] <maze_> pd1: I always see Windows Boot Manager, and it worked ifne
[08:41] <maze_> pd1: Is UEFI?
[08:41] <pd1> yes
[08:41] <maze_> pd1: do you have dual boot?
[08:42] <maze_> pd1: I think that since when installing Ubuntu I have to select the EFI partition to install GRUB, and the EFi partition is the one with Windows boot manager also, it wont shwo you Ubuntu on the list
[08:42] <maze_> pd1: anyway, do you know a way to reinstall grub from the usb live?
[08:43] <pd1> maze_: chroot into the ubuntu sys and run update-grub
[08:43] <maze_> pd1: or to repair it
[08:43] <maze_> pd1: I've read that this do not work in UEFI mode
[08:43] <maze_> pd1: are you sure?
[08:43] <pd1> maze_: no
[08:44] <pd1> maze_: first of all: backup your data
[08:44] <maze_> pd1: done already
[08:46] <maze_> I see many guide on google, but I don't understand which one works with UEFI and which not
[08:46] <maze_> There is a program repair-boot, but seems it doesnt work on uefi as my understanding
[08:46] <pd1> maze_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair perhaps this thing can help?
[08:46] <pd1> maze_: smae idea here but it only says: do not burn it to a dvd...
[08:47] <maze_> In another guide of Boot-Repair it says that if it doesn't work is probably because you got a UEFI system...
[08:47] <maze_> pd1: damn
[08:47] <maze_> pd1: Looks like Im forced to reinstall the whole thing for the third time
[08:48] <maze_> pd1: and then I can't even boot from a USB because it would mess up again
[08:48] <maze_> pd1: There should be a way to repair GRUB from the live USB without having to reinstall the whole Ubuntu
[08:48] <pd1> maze_: dd the whole disk somehwere before running from usb
[08:49] <maze_> pd1:  qhat is dd?
[08:49] <pd1> the ubuntu install is 10 minutes. that should not be a problem
[08:49] <pd1> !info dd | maze_
[08:49] <pd1> there is no apckage... bla...
[08:49] <alkisg> maze_: uefi boot cd uses grub. You can use "configfile" to boot your real installation using the live cd
[08:49] <alkisg> maze_: once you're in the real installation, just run grub-install
[08:50] <maze_> alkisg: Could you explan? I'm not following you
[08:50] <alkisg> maze_: that is, you start with the live cd, you press "c" in grub to get a console, and then run configfile /path/to/your/grub.cfg
[08:50] <amitprakash> Hi, vulkaninfo keeps crashing on my debian install with /build/vulkan-kX_g0b/vulkan-<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg1/demos/vulkaninfo.c:1485: failed with VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED. I have a haswell-ULT GPU
[08:50] <amitprakash> How do I debug/resolve this?
[08:50] <alkisg> maze_: then you see your "real" grub, and boot your system normally
[08:51] <maze_> alkisg: I have aLive USB, not Cd, is the same?
[08:51] <alkisg> maze_: does it show a grub menu?
[08:51] <maze_> alkisg: Yes, the live does when booting from USB
[08:51] <alkisg> maze_: then it's the same, yes
[08:51] <maze_> alkisg: It is the HDD with the dual boot that do not show GRUB at start
[08:52] <maze_> alkisg: I'm not sure I'm understanding
[08:52] <alkisg> maze_: example menu: http://www.tecmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Ubuntu-Grub-Menu.png
[08:52] <maze_> alkisg: I run the USB live and at the start press C in grub, ge a console, type that command
[08:52] <alkisg> maze_: when your usb stick starts, does it show that menu?
[08:52] <maze_> alkisg: and what should happen?
[08:53] <maze_> alkisg: Yes, the GRUB menu with "try Ubuntu"...
[08:53] <alkisg> maze_: when you run that configfile command, you'll then see your normal grub menu, the one from the system
[08:53] <Linuxmeister> Can anyone help me please? Every time I try boot up my computer it instantly goes in the grub command line.. I can't boot into BIOS using f11 and del (those are buttons to go to bios)
[08:53] <alkisg> maze_: so then you'll be able to boot your system as usual, from your main grub menu, not from the usb stick grub menu
[08:53] <maze_> alkisg: Ok at that point I should be able to log into my ubuntu installation
[08:53] <alkisg> Right
[08:53] <maze_> alkisg: Then should I try to repair GRUB from there?
[08:53] <alkisg> Yes
[08:54] <maze_> alkisg: How?
[08:54] <alkisg> Either reinstall grub, or run grub-install
[08:54] <maze_> alkisg: (I know are stupid question but I'm new to linux)
[08:54] <maze_> alkisg: What command more precisely?
[08:55] <alkisg> set root=(hd0,gpt1) => press tab there to see if it's hd0 or hd1, and gpt1 or other number
[08:55] <alkisg> Then configfile /efi/boot/ubuntu/grub.cfg => press tab there to see the exact path for grub.cfg
[08:55] <alkisg> Those 2 commands should be enough to show you your real grub menu
[08:55] <alkisg> ...from where you'll boot ubuntu normally
[08:56] <Linuxmeister> Is there any way to boot to bios from the grub commandline?
[08:56] <maze_> alkisg: again the configfile command when Im already in my Ubuntu logged?
[08:56] <alkisg> Linuxmeister: is it uefi, or legacy bios?
[08:56] <alkisg> maze_: no, that's a grub command
[08:56] <Linuxmeister> Uefi
[08:56] <alkisg> Linuxmeister: the command is "fwsetup"
[08:57] <maze_> alkisg: I try, and then I come back here, hopefully from my ubuntu install
[08:57] <Linuxmeister> Thank you very much. Been trying for two hours to figure how to boot into it
[08:57] <maze_> alkisg:  Thank You for your help
[08:57] <alkisg> np
[08:58] <alkisg> Linuxmeister: normally, ubuntu does have an entry for that in grub menu
[08:58] <alkisg> (the display name for it, is "System setup")
[08:59] <Linuxmeister> I know but I somehow screwed up my entire hard drive and it just boots into the grub cli straight away
[09:00] <amitprakash> Linuxmeister, Del key should let you boot to bios
[09:01] <Linuxmeister> I tried that but no matter what button I press for bios it would go straight into the cli anyway
[09:02] <allenriath> Just curiosity people. Now that unity will be dropped, what DE will replace it?
[09:04] <alkisg> allenriath: gnome
[09:06] <pd1> Linuxmeister: smash f12, f2, del,inser, print, pause, end,esc  in general all f-keys directly after pressing the power button. one should bring you to the bios
[09:09] <mintadmin> hi seriously no memes I have a honest question
[09:09] <mintadmin> is ubuntu safer than linux mint
[09:10] <YankDownUnder> Is linux safer than linux? Whoa...that's a hard question to ask...
[09:10] <pd1> mintadmin: safer?
[09:10] <allenriath> what do you call "safer"?
[09:10] <ubuntu-mate> alkisg: Tried those commands in start console, nothing happened
[09:11] <YankDownUnder> "More resistent to S.T.D.'s and tax collectors?"
[09:11] <ubuntu-mate> alkisg: It said something like hd0 gpt1 not found and restarted again PC
[09:11] <pd1> mintadmin: do a simple thing: install both, see how much space they use, the smaller one is considered safer because it has less things to attack.
[09:13] <amitprakash> Hi, vulkaninfo keeps crashing on my debian install with /build/vulkan-kX_g0b/vulkan-<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg1/demos/vulkaninfo.c:1485: failed with VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED. I have a haswell-ULT GPU
[09:13] <amitprakash> How do I debug/resolve this?
[09:13] <FreddyP> there is a channel for Debian issues
[09:13] <pd1> amitprakash: thats a debian question - it will not be resolved here
[09:13] <FreddyP> #debian
[09:13] <amitprakash> pd1, what has vulkan to do with debian
[09:14] <allenriath> mintadmin: You have to check the update cycles too. It's not as if you're asking about an Arch vs Debian stability. Mint and Ubuntu are somewhat alike.
[09:14] <amitprakash> pd1, fair enough.. if I change the repo to ubuntu, would that suffice?
[09:14] <FreddyP> amitprakash: you said 'on my debian system ...'
[09:14] <amitprakash> FreddyP, well, identical packaging sans the tree
[09:14] <pd1> amitprakash: no, but if i say: use this or that and you download a lenny package and i am 5 years in the future with the same package we will sit here alday long
[09:14] <FreddyP> i would disagree
[09:15] <FreddyP> ubuntu and debian are similar but not identical
[09:15] <mintadmin> Mint uses canonical for updates?
[09:15] <amitprakash> pd1, well, what would be the resolution on ubuntu?
[09:16] <amitprakash> or fine, let me swap this to a ubuntu box
[09:16] <mintadmin> also is there a f.lux equivalent for linux? (blue light reducer)
[09:17] <amitprakash> mintadmin, https://justgetflux.com/linux.html
[09:17] <mintadmin> thanks
[09:17] <amitprakash> Why use an equivalent when the original's available
[09:17] <FreddyP> mintadmin; nighttime mode in gnome 3 does the job
[09:18] <mintadmin> I started to wonder about ubuntu vs mint when I checked for dns/ip leak
[09:18] <mintadmin> and ipv6 was enabled
[09:18] <mintadmin> I tried to disable it on mint mate in the network option (the option is called "ignored) but it didn't work
[09:18] <pd1> amitprakash: its likely a driver issue or you have 2 rgapics installed or something like that. chaging the amchine will give you a different error i think
[09:19] <amitprakash> pd1, my first guess.. but no such issue :)
[09:19] <amitprakash> But as I said, let me change the base system to ubuntu
[09:20] <pd1> amitprakash: on the same machine?
[09:22] <mintadmin> which distro do you guys use
[09:22] <amitprakash> pd1, yeah..
[09:22] <amitprakash> pd1, bootstrapping ubuntu
[09:22] <allenriath> Archlinux
[09:22] <mintadmin> (other than templeos)
[09:23] <bleachIsFun> hey guys, just put Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS on my old Dell Latitude E5520
[09:23] <bleachIsFun> however, its heating up and fan blowing like a crazy motherfucker
[09:23] <mintadmin> is LXLE a decent/safe distro?
[09:23] <bleachIsFun> it never did this on Windows 7
[09:23] <allenriath> but if you're in doubt about distros, try to stick with ubuntu for a while.
[09:23] <bleachIsFun> im assuming somthings wrong
[09:24] <mintadmin> bleach: i had similar issues. Tried the pwmcontrol but the temp went to 79 even on 255(full speed)
[09:24] <mintadmin> *79C
[09:24] <allenriath> mintadmin: https://distrowatch.com/
[09:24] <Linuxmeister> Im on the amd site right now for the graphics drivers.. It says it has drivers for ubuntu 16.04 but I'm on 17.04 right now.. Does it really matter or not?
[09:26] <bleachIsFun> mintadmin: did you ever get it fixed?
[09:26] <mintadmin> no
[09:26] <mintadmin> I wanted to know how to set up manually the cpu speed but couldn't find
[09:26] <mintadmin> with the Asus control software I usually use 30~35%.
[09:27] <mintadmin> Is it possible to set manually the CPU fan speed to 150~200 and leave that way?
[09:28] <OERIAS> i think there is some wrong with my pulseaudio
[09:28] <OERIAS> or hexchat
[09:29] <OERIAS> when i open hexchat the audio on my computer seems to stop working
[09:29] <pd1> !info lm-sensors | mintadmin
[09:29] <OERIAS> and i have noticed this only when hex is open
[09:29] <pd1> !info fancontrol | mintadmin
[09:29] <YankDownUnder> OERIAS: Is it safe to assume you've checked all the settings in Hexchat as to sound/audio?
[09:30] <OERIAS> YankDownUnder: let me try
[09:30] <OERIAS> give me a minute
[09:31] <mintadmin> I'll try that again
[09:31] <mintadmin> I had to install another distro because everytime on boot the temp was 79C
[09:32] <OERIAS> YankDownUnder, so far the sound is working
[09:33] <bleachIsFun> lm-sensors you say
[09:33] <mintadmin> what is the difference between apt-get and apt ?
[09:35] <OERIAS> i guess an update from a few days ago broke pulse
[09:35] <faugusztin> pd1: oh, someone took over lm-sensors. good, seemed to be death last year
[09:35] <OERIAS> and now it seem to work
[09:35] <faugusztin> *to be dead
[09:37] <mintadmin> sudo fancontrol
[09:37] <mintadmin> Loading configuration from /etc/fancontrol ...
[09:37] <mintadmin> Error: Can't read configuration file
[09:37] <mintadmin> what can I do?
[09:37] <pynki> hi, can someone give me a quick into in what the *cloud* packjes in the server install are for?
[09:38] <pynki> packages
[09:38] <bleachIsFun> sudo sensors-detect
[09:38] <bleachIsFun> yay
[09:38] <mintadmin> already did this
[09:38] <mintadmin> after dozens of YES the fancontrol command don't work
[09:39] <linuxmeister_> Does it matter if I install the graphics drivers for 16.04 on 17.02?
[09:40] <pynki> Linuxmeister, most likely: yes. there will be a reason whyt they are for a specific release
[09:41] <linuxmeister_> so i guess ill be waiting forever for drivers right
[09:42] <mintadmin> i need help with trying to figure out the sensors thing
[09:42] <YankDownUnder> linuxmeister_: "Forever" implies infinity. No. Not that long.
[09:43] <mattpalermo> Hello all!
[09:43] <linuxmeister_> well you never know with amd
[09:45] <YankDownUnder> linuxmeister_: When you dance with the devil, you have to throw away all expectations. That being said, the AMD drivers for 16.04 are quite solid. Then again, it's an LTS release. 17.04 is NOT an LTS release. 18.04 will be an LTS release...hmm?
[09:46] <mattpalermo> YankDownUnder: Looks like 18.04 will be an interesting release!
[09:46] <mattpalermo> Actually... maybe 17.10 will be interesting and then 18.04 will be boring... one of the two.
[09:46] <YankDownUnder> mattpalermo: When it comes, yes. "When" is not now, and currently, 16.04.2 is interesting enough, don't ya reckon? :)
[09:47] <linuxmeister_> true I guess, well if anything this stops me from opening steam so I can stop my gaming addiction and work on more important stuff
[09:47] <YankDownUnder> linuxmeister_: Why not go outside and connect with real human beings and look at the grass and trees and stuff? THAT is quite interesting...
[09:48] <pynki> but with a nice graphics driver he could render all these inside!
[09:48] <tga> you can play hide too
[09:48] <linuxmeister_> Yes I hibernate in my room 24/7 with no lights on and havent made human contact since 1999
[09:48] <linuxmeister_> :D
[09:49] <mintadmin> Found the following PWM controls:
[09:49] <mintadmin>    hwmon3/pwm1           current value: 191
[09:49] <mintadmin> can I lower this value? how?
[09:49] <MonkeyDust> so that's where my door leads me: outside
[09:49] <linuxmeister_> What I'm actually gunna do is animation though, so i dont have to come in contact with people from the outside
[09:49] <YankDownUnder> MonkeyDust: There are *cats* outside...and other critters...
[09:50] <pynki> can i do anything on the ubuntu side on the mouse lag i get when trunning it as a vm with hyper-v?
[09:51] <bejo> hi :)
[09:52] <YankDownUnder> pynki: You might want to check the settings of the VM...I get that in VirtualBox when the graphics mem is set high and the RAM for the VM is set high - heaps of lag...in some instances, I used "xset" to smooth things out, but that was a short term solution.
[09:53] <Doow> Hi! If I want to know when a 'package' is moving to the next stable version (e.g. Django is currently at LTS version 1.8, but new LTS version 1.11 recently came out). Where would I go to get that information?
[09:54] <MonkeyDust> Doow  try launchpad
[09:55] <pynki> YankDownUnder, i will see. but 2gb should be enough ram for a ubuntu 16.04x desktop install?
[09:55] <pynki> you never come to that these days with all the machines having 8/16/32gb of ram :/
[09:55] <YankDownUnder> pynki: IN a VM or running VM's?
[09:55] <pynki> in a vm
[09:57] <Doow> MonkeyDust: looks like the right place, thank you =)
[09:57] <YankDownUnder> pynki: For Ubu in a VM, my minimum is always 4gb for desktop, 2gb for server installs. I get away with the 2gb server VM's because I generally run two or three of them (dependent on the host's RAM)...but for the desktop? 4gb minimum (in VirtualBox) - and I also make sure that the graphics RAM does not go past 128mb...but that's HERE and on machines I dole out to clients.
[09:58] <isopov> hello. I'm on 17.04 trace-bpfcc tool from bpfcc-tools package needs to compile a kernel module to run, but it fails with "chdir(/lib/modules/4.10.0-19-generic/source): No such file or directory Failed to compile BPF module" I tried to istall linux-source package but there is still no such folder - can anyone help me - how should I create it?
[09:59] <pynki> YankDownUnder, ok. thanks for the advice. then ill og with minimal + fluxbox
[10:00] <YankDownUnder> pynki: Here's something to tell ya, too...when I'm creating desktop VM's, I generally will use something like Fluxbox or WindowMaker or XFce4...my preference is generally WindowMaker...but it'd be the same with Fluxbox...low on graphics usage...etc etc etc.
[10:02] <pynki> YankDownUnder, i have a proven to work for me fluxbox setup that i just scp over to the machines i have if i need a desktop. i think you have the same for your favourite dektop env
[10:03] <YankDownUnder> pynki: Spot on, bro, spot on.
[10:04] <pynki> YankDownUnder, is there any desktop thing that can pin windows at aspeficic location?
[10:04] <pynki> you seem to have seen a few...
[10:04] <YankDownUnder> pynki: For Fluxbox? Or for WindowMaker?
[10:05] <pynki> YankDownUnder, Fluxbox cannot do it, is there a tool?
[10:06] <pynki> YankDownUnder, it makes me crazy when i put my programs at a specific location on startup and then i move them by 2 pixel while rolling them up in flubbox. would like to make windows not moveable
[10:07] <YankDownUnder> pynki: Can't remember for Fluxbox...there used to be something for Blackbox...and I think Openbox, too...but that was yonks ago...I strive for WindowMaker now...so I can specify window positions in wmaker easily enough...have to dig into that, bro...
[10:09] <pynki> hmm windowmaker.org don't load 1242345 javascripts...suspicious
[10:11] <YankDownUnder> pynki: Looking at the actual source code of the "windowmaker.org" page does not show ANY javascripts...hmm...
[10:11] <Raceserve> hello can you please tell me the date that ubuntu will be shipping with gnome?
[10:12] <YankDownUnder> Raceserve: Um...yes.
[10:12] <mattpalermo> Never. KDE will win in the end!
[10:13] <YankDownUnder> I think Enlightenment DR18 will be the winner...IN the end...
[10:14] <pynki> in the end we will all use commandline interfaces
[10:14] <YankDownUnder> pynki: that's basically how it was back in 1992...hmm...
[10:15] <pynki> i mean: humanity needs to move forward
[10:15] <mattpalermo> pynki: But what about beautiful images from the interweb... do we have to print them?
[10:15] <YankDownUnder> Move forward? Like we will *all* be running macOS on our iMacs and shiny Macbooks? Wow! ;)
[10:16] <pynki> matt8109, just gstream them into fbdevsink
[10:16] <pynki> well, mattpalermo i mean
[10:16] <geirha> !17.10
[10:17] <geirha> Raceserve: ^ 17.10 will be the first release to switch to gnome as default desktop environment
[10:18] <Raceserve> tA
[10:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:24] <pynki> Let us start with a fresh minimal install of Ubuntu 14.04 / 15.04, we recommend a 32 bit install for servers with minimum 2 processing cores and RAM less than 4 GB as Java performance is significantly better on 32 bit systems with limited resources compared to 64 bit systems with RAM < = 4 GB.
[10:24] <pynki> can someone confrm that?
[10:26] <YankDownUnder> pynki: Sounds 'bout spot on.
[10:31] <andy565> GRUB has disappeared from dual boot (UEFI boot), how to restore it from the Live USB?
[10:34] <mattpalermo> andy565: Just to confirm, GRUB has totally been replaced by another bootloader?
[10:36] <allenriath> in the end xmonad will win and every single ubuntu user will be happy writing configs files in haskell.
[10:37] <fozu> andy565: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[10:37] <YankDownUnder> Oooo! Haskell! Yay!
[10:38] <mattpalermo> xmonad: "In a normal WM, you spend half your time aligning and searching for windows. xmonad makes work easier, by automating this."
[10:38] <allenriath> ¬¬
[10:38] <mattpalermo> Great.... https://xkcd.com/1319/
[10:39] <allenriath> I3
[10:39] <allenriath> no more words
[10:39] <allenriath> period
[10:39] <mattpalermo> .
[10:40] <YankDownUnder> Pissing myself over that one...(also, there's http://www.rocklyte.com/?q=node/7)
[10:44] <allenriath> and about this "next ubuntu DE", IMO kde deserves a chance. I'm testing KDE Neon right now, and it's simple and friendly as gnome never was. No hard times, 2 weaks already and no bugs on my machine. Everything working out of the box, without worries.
[10:44] <pratyush> Hello
[10:44] <pratyush> But KDE is slow on my machine
[10:45] <allenriath> so is unity
[10:45] <mattpalermo> allenraith: It seems to have improved alot since 16.10.
[10:45] <pratyush> Yeah thats true I'm using cinnamon mostly
[10:45] <allenriath> I never was a fan of kde... i'm NOT a kde fan
[10:46] <andy565> matt8109: It just starts windows when I turn my laptop ON
[10:46] <andy565> mattpalermo: it just starts windows when i turn my laptop on
[10:46] <pratyush> I've used KDE once. I think you can never beat KDE when it comes to customization ^_^
[10:47] <andy565> fozu: are you sure that guide works with UEFI boot?
[10:47] <mattpalermo> andy565: Haha that is true. But I'm sure there's a toggle switch somewhere for that. I am just stoked that I can configure all my key bindings :)
[10:47] <YankDownUnder> KDE3 was a treat. Fast and customisable bigtime...but, well, things change, don't they?
[10:47] <YankDownUnder> Gnome 1.4.6 was also fast and great...again, same story..."Code Bloat!"...
[10:47] <allenriath> By default I run a arch box with openbox or I3... I like to be minimalist, but I have to admit, KDE is a helluva solid choice if you want to be "user friendly" as ubuntu is.
[10:48] <allenriath> and nowadays QT has a upper hand over GTK3
[10:49] <YankDownUnder> I made a mistake of giving a KDE install to a client - the machine came back with literally HUNDREDS of widgets and notes on the desktop...WIPE! Ended up giving the Cinnamon...can't break that (much).
[10:49] <mattpalermo> YankDownUnder: Good point
[10:49] <allenriath> well... kde neon is clean, so kubuntu can also be this clean
[10:50] <Unline> andy565: hi andy, have you tried easybcd to configure linux bootloader and dualboot it alongside windows?
[10:50] <BluesKaj> YankDownUnder:  kde has a slightly steeper learning vurve , but the benefits are worth it
[10:50] <allenriath> it remembered me a clean plasma install over arch... I can even calls it "fast"
[10:50] <BluesKaj> curve even
[10:51] <mattpalermo> To add to the GTK vs QT point. It seems crazy that GTK is so in love with C. A more modern language like C++ is surely supperiour in this domain.
[10:51] <YankDownUnder> BluesKaj: IF the end-user is savvy enough (and listens to instruction/tutoring/training)(big IF)
[10:51] <rizonz> is there a real difference between allow-hotplug and auto for interfaces ?
[10:52] <andy565> Unline: no, I don't know that
[10:52] <andy565> Unline: I ll check on google
[10:53] <andy565> Unline: the fact is that windows boots normally, the problem is that grub isn't showing up anymore so I can't loginto ubuntu
[10:53] <BluesKaj> YankDownUnder:  been on kde for 12 yrs, I tried most of the other DEs , but I was ways drawn back to kde,. probly my MS windows background
[10:53] <allenriath> well, I will never like a package management based on apt... but... aside it, kde neon suparsed my expectatives at a point that I would point it as a "unity successor".
[10:53] <YankDownUnder> "Please take a seat and have a cup of tea. I shall perform GOOGLE for you!" (end sarcasm)
[10:55] <YankDownUnder> BluesKaj: We all like our tea/coffee a special way, hmm...I keep going back to simple things...like WindowMaker...sometimes Enlightenment...sometimes even olvwm/mwm/twm/fvwm...it's still the same underlying system...just putting a different set of pearls on the same pig, aren't we? :)
[10:56] <BluesKaj> YankDownUnder:  I agree with your analogy except for the pig reference ;-)
[10:56] <mattpalermo> Poetry by YankDownUnder
[10:57] <YankDownUnder> Yay! People will buy me donuts! Yay! Donut shaped donuts made out of donut stuff! Yay!
[10:57] <allenriath> Well, my pigs pearls have names: Openbox and I3
[10:58] <allenriath> but If i had to choose a DE over a WM...  If that's the case, I'd do a "cold boot" - see if that resolves it...otherwise, the kernel is apparently NOT seeing the card properly RTNETLINK (the driver) is not seeing the card...
[11:08] <rizonz> YankDownUnder: it's a VM and I'm SSH-ed to it ;)
[11:08] <rizonz> YankDownUnder: nope doesn't fix it
[11:09] <YankDownUnder> rizonz: Were there any changes made to the "virtual network interface" or "virtual network" for that VM? Are you running the VM with a linux host or a Windows host?
[11:10] <rizonz> YankDownUnder: no just a freshg provisioned one
[11:10] <rizonz> YankDownUnder: it's a KVM VM
[11:11] <YankDownUnder> rizonz: Obviously something has changed - either via an update/upgrade, or to the actual settings of the VM, or to the drivers supplied by the KVM...logically...
[11:12] <rizonz> YankDownUnder: nope started fromt he beginning like htis
[11:12] <blackflow> rizonz: No such file or directory could mean wrong shebang or some missing binary called in the script
[11:12] <rizonz> # ifdown eth1
[11:12] <rizonz> ifdown: interface eth1 not configured
[11:13] <blackflow> rizonz: pastebin z90-route-eth0
[11:13] <YankDownUnder> "run-parts: failed to exec /etc/network/if-down.d/z90-route-eth0: No such file or directory" => That's kinda saying it ain't there...
[11:14] <blackflow> it could also mean wrong shebang
[11:14] <rizonz> blackflow: here, but the ip route should be route add net... https://pastebin.com/Xc3cxn1A
[11:15] <blackflow> rizonz: try using full path to ip: /bin/ip
[11:15] <YankDownUnder> So it's showing it "failed to bring up lo" and "failed to bring up eth0" and "failed to bring up eth1" => obviously something ain't right. Something to consider ==> Have you run an fsck on the disk - just to be SURE?
[11:15] <rizonz> blackflow: same issue
[11:17] <blackflow> rizonz: and /bin/ip is installed, right?
[11:17] <blackflow> you can run that line manually and it works fine?
[11:17] <rizonz> blackflow: sure
[11:18] <rizonz> blackflow: yes works perfectly
[11:18] <blackflow> rizonz: and z90-route-eth0 and -eth1 are executable?
[11:18] <rizonz> blackflow: also
[11:19] <rizonz> -rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0  165 Apr 22 13:15 z90-route-eth0
[11:19] <rizonz> -rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0  157 Apr 21 03:52 z90-route-eth1
[11:20] <blackflow> hrm...
[11:20] <rizonz> indeed
[11:21] <blackflow> rizonz: possibly stupid question: bash is installed?
[11:21] <rizonz> blackflow: erm yes ?
[11:21] <FManTropyx> heh
[11:22] <rizonz> blackflow: it's so weird
[11:26] <pratn> hi
[11:26] <rizonz> blackflow: I'm out ofoptions
[11:29] <blackflow> rizonz: btw, when you remove those scripts, ifdown and ifup work without complaints?
[11:29] <rizonz> blackflow: let me check
[11:30] <rizonz> blackflow: same issue
[11:30] <blackflow> rizonz: what do you mean same? No such file or directory for the scripts you removed?
[11:31] <rizonz> blackflow: indeed
[11:31] <blackflow> rizonz: are you running this through puppet or manually?
[11:31] <rizonz> blackflow: manually atm
[11:32] <blackflow> rizonz: did you reference those z90- anywhere else in the network config?
[11:32] <rizonz> blackflow: not that I know
[11:33] <blackflow> rizonz: so, then that's not possible. or you did not remove those files from /etc/network/if-down.d/  and if-up.d/
[11:34] <rizonz> blackflow: oh damn, didn't remove down :D
[11:34] <rizonz> but I still get:
[11:34] <rizonz> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[11:34] <rizonz> Failed to bring up eth0.
[11:34] <rizonz> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[11:34] <rizonz> Failed to bring up eth1.
[11:35] <thyriaen> I am looking for a spellchecking tool on pdf files - is there any for linux ?
[11:35] <rizonz> blackflow: but also with ifdown eth1 on the cli it says it's not configured
[11:37] <blackflow> rizonz: which ubuntu is this btw? and please pastebin the interfaces file
[11:37] <rizonz> blackflow: 16.04
[11:38] <rizonz> blackflow: https://pastebin.com/2SCxGqpy
[11:38] <blackflow> rizonz: did you configure systemd/udev for the old interface naming scheme?
[11:39] <rizonz> blackflow: it's installed with the netbios=0 and such options
[11:39] <blackflow> iirc the default on 16.04 is the new naming scheme
[11:39] <rizonz> blackflow: but can I check that ?
[11:39] <blackflow> rizonz: dmesg | grep "renamed from eth0"
[11:40] <rizonz> blackflow: don't get a thing
[11:40] <rizonz> but ifconfig shows those names
[11:40] <blackflow> eth0 and eth1
[11:40] <blackflow> ?
[11:40] <rizonz> yes
[11:41] <blackflow> rizonz: do you have any files in /etc/systemd/network/ ?
[11:42] <rizonz> blackflow: nope
[11:42] <blackflow> rizonz: do you have net.ifnames=0 on the kernel line in grub?
[11:44] <rizonz> blackflow: erm has the path of grub changed 16.04 ?
[11:45] <EriC^^> rizonz: try cat /proc/cmdline
[11:45] <blackflow> rizonz: no, the config file is still at /etc/default/grub
[11:45] <rizonz> yap it's in, as I would assume as I checked that upfront BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.4.0-72-generic root=/dev/mapper/vg00-root ro biosdevname=0 net.ifnames=0 quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[11:46] <rizonz> oh damn indeed /etc/default ;)
[11:47] <blackflow> okay, so that explains why you have eth0 and eth1. as for the why it can't bring them up..... only one thing comes to mind: bad or missing firmware. which chipsets are those NICs?
[11:47] <johnny_|_> Hi. Why is there no netstat utility in 17.04?
[11:49] <Mathisen> johnny_|_, no netstat command ? if so install it
[11:49] <johnny_|_> Mathisen: ok i installed net-tools, thanks
[11:51] <rizonz> blackflow: virtio
[11:59] <rizonz> blackflow: so we are out of options ?
[11:59] <jjhi> how can I change the native console resolution in 16.04?
[11:59] <star_prone> hi
[12:00] <jjhi> it is in text mode now
[12:00] <star_prone> I have a virtual box running ubuntu 14.04 and I'm trying to connect to it using ssh, but it will not allow any user to login
[12:00] <Mavericks> apt-get install jenkins gives a 'Package' jenkins has no installation candidate
[12:00] <Mavericks> is this a known issue ?
[12:00] <Mavericks> this is 16.04 in a docker image on Windows 10 enterprise
[12:00] <Mavericks> ?
[12:01] <blackflow> rizonz: sorry, don't know what else to try.
[12:01] <rizonz> blackflow: me neither
[12:01] <Mathisen> star_prone, and you have openssh-server installed right ?
[12:01] <star_prone> I have added AllowUsers vagrant to /etc/ssh/sshd_config, restarted ssh but it will still not allow connections
[12:02] <star_prone> Mathisen: ^
[12:02] <Mathisen> :)
[12:02] <jjhi> Mavericks: jenkins package no longer exists
[12:02] <star_prone> vagrant being the user I want to connect with
[12:02] <Mavericks> jjhi:  i see
[12:03] <tomreyn> Mavericks: upstream provides an apt repository
[12:03] <Mathisen> star_prone, users you have in your VM should automaticly be alowed to connect
[12:03] <tomreyn> star_prone: whats the error message?
[12:03] <star_prone> to be honest I'm still dazzled why would I have to manually add the user to the sshd_config; I never did that on my previous installations and all users had ssh access... or was it different?
[12:04] <Mavericks> tomreyn: ok
[12:04] <star_prone> Mathisen: so my memory doesn't fail me I suppose
[12:04] <lordius> join #drupal-google
[12:04] <star_prone> tomreyn: none. it will re-prompt me with the password login
[12:05] <Mavericks> tomreyn: jjhi: i get a ERROR: GDK_BACKEND does not match available displays issue
[12:05] <tomreyn> star_prone: and after three attempts, does it error out?
[12:05] <Mavericks> i checked xvfb is installed and tried jenkins none work
[12:06] <Ben64> star_prone: you don't need to mess with the config to get ssh to work
[12:07] <star_prone> tomrey: actually the error message comes after more than three attempts; nonetheless, the error is "Received disconnect from <IP_ADDRESS> port 22:2: Too many authentication failures"
[12:08] <star_prone> Ben64: I suppose that would be the normal behaviour
[12:08] <Ben64> check the auth.log for more information
[12:10] <tomreyn> sorry i have to go :/
[12:17] <Nesh> Would anyone know what it is that causes PlayOnLinux virtual shortcuts to appear as generic 4-leaf clovers rather than their usual custom appearance?   I was under the impression that the best practice was to set your ENV vars in .profile because it is loaded once at login, and all the rest in .bashrc because .bashrc is executed everytime you open a GNOME-terminal window. This doesn't seem to be the case though, any variable I export in my .profile is not set when I open a GNOME-terminal. I read that sourcing
[12:40] <hfp> .profile from .bashrc is bad practice so what am I supposed to do? Put everything in .bashrc and delete .profile altogether? Duplicate everything between .profile and .bashrc? Something else?
[12:41] <EriC^^> hfp: .profile is only sourced in login shells, so opening a terminal doesn't source it, unless you do "bash -l" when a new gui session starts it gets sourced though
[12:44] <hfp> EriC^^: right, my understanding was that .profile was sourced once, at login, and so any variable exported in it would be available in every GNOME-terminal; but that doesn't seem to be the case. If I want my vars exported and PATH altered, it seems that I'd have to do it in .bashrc. So what is .profile good for, why shouldn't I source it from my .bashrc or delete it altogether if it won't export the variables
[12:44] <hfp> I need?
[12:44] <hfp> at login meaning a graphical login
[12:45] <EriC^^> hfp: export you mean you edit it, log out log back in, and still no changes?
[12:46] <jjhi> how can I change the native console resolution in 16.04?
[12:46] <hfp> EriC^^: export I mean that I have `export MYVAR=foo`, log out, log back in, open a GNOME-terminal, `echo $MYVAR`, and the variable is unset as if I didn't export it at all in .profile
[12:47] <hfp> just to be clear, the export statement is in my .profile
[12:48] <EriC^^> jjhi: edit /etc/default/grub , GRUB_GFXMODE=somethingxsomething
[12:48] <EriC^^> jjhi: also add GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
[12:48] <EriC^^> then save & exit and sudo update-grub
[12:49] <EriC^^> hfp: that's odd
[12:49] <EriC^^> are you sure it's in ~/.profile ?
[12:49] <EriC^^> hfp: type "cat ~/.profile | nc termbin.com 9999"
[12:50] <hfp> yes, I keep all my dotfiles in a repo, so I symlinked .profile and .bashrc to the files in my repo. If I manually source ~/.profile once the terminal is open, then all the vars are set.
[12:50] <hfp> http://termbin.com/qvsd
[12:50] <hfp> (cool trick, didn't know termbin)
[12:51] <sevt> ikonia and i not chat with oper abusers :)
[12:53] <EriC^^> hfp: so $PATH isn't being altered?
[12:53] <headmind> ikonia razbirah li me dobre glupako
[12:53] <headmind> bugarians on
[12:53] <EriC^^> hfp: try setting one variable at the start and one at the end
[12:54] <jjhi> lol
[12:56] <glupako> ikonia dont fucks with east europeans lame
[12:56] <glupako> panimaesh
[12:56] <hfp> EriC^^: let me try
[12:57] <EriC^^> hfp: also run, strace -o /tmp/bashlog bash -l , then type "exit", then type cat /tmp/bashlog | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:58] <bwepngong> msg nickserv identify radicals8
[12:58] <jjhi> is gfxpayload compatible with nvcidia?
[12:58] <EriC^^> jjhi: yeah it shouldn't make a difference
[12:59] <EriC^^> i think there's a command in grub to display every res it can make
[12:59] <EriC^^> jjhi: vbeinfo
[12:59] <EriC^^> jjhi: ah, that's to be run from the grub prompt, at boot time
[13:01] <samethings> ikonia psihopatcho
[13:01] <samethings> lamercho
[13:01] <samethings> desnqk
[13:01] <samethings> na maika ti
[13:01] <arunas> hi
[13:01] <hggdh> samethings: still ban-evading?
[13:02] <samethings> some lame is a opers
[13:02] <arunas> hus now about wifi how me conekting to ubuntu?
[13:03] <samethings> ikonia tel
[13:03] <FreddyP> arunas: ubuntu stub server is a headache
[13:04] <arunas> Freddy acsplaining please
[13:05] <fireman> ikonia psyhopat
[13:07] <amosbird> Hi, what tools can I use to break down the per instruction cost like this   https://paste.wentropy.com/n9Zc.jpg ?
[13:08] <hfp> EriC^^: hmmm so it would seem logging out and back in isn't enough. You have to restart. Once I restarted, all the variables are set, including the one at the very top of the file and the one at the very bottom. Contrary to what I thought, it looks like .profile is sourced at startup, not at login?
[13:09] <EriC^^> hfp: nope for me it is at login
[13:09] <EriC^^> hfp: which dm are you using?
[13:09] <arunas> how me doing wifi in me pc ubuntu?
[13:10] <hfp> EriC^^: dm?
[13:10] <EriC^^> display manager, lightdm gdm etc
[13:10] <hfp> EriC^^: lightdm I think, whatever comes with 16.10 by default.
[13:11] <arunas> guys how me find me router information?
[13:11] <Ben64> look at it
[13:12] <arunas> Ben64 ?
[13:13] <arunas> so natfing no help ok
[13:13] <ikonia> arunas: you need to ask a question
[13:13] <arunas> how?
[13:13] <ikonia> arunas: people can't help without a question
[13:14] <paul_> Whats todays topic?
[13:14] <ikonia> arunas: what do you need help with
[13:14] <ikonia> paul_: same as every day, ubuntu support
[13:14] <paul_> OK
[13:14] <arunas> ikonia me need conecting wich wifi
[13:14] <arunas> i dont now how :(
[13:14] <paul_> bye.
[13:14] <ikonia> arunas: you need help connecting to wifi ?
[13:14] <hfp> EriC^^: I just tried again, logging out, and back in, after adding yet a new var in .profile and it exported it correctly. I don't know why it didn't work before but it seems to behave as expected now
[13:15] <jjhi> i put in the resolution and "keep" without quotes but doesn'r seem to woek
[13:15] <arunas> help connecting to wifi?
[13:15] <EriC^^> jjhi: did you run sudo update-grub ?
[13:15] <jjhi> yes, i see it in grub.cfg
[13:15] <ikonia> arunas: ok, so try this sort of question "I'm running ubuntu $version, I'm trying to connect to a wifi network with $model wifi card, but it's giving me this error/problem, can anyone help please"
[13:15] <EriC^^> jjhi: what's the resolution you want?
[13:15] <FreddyP> arunas: have you read the guide  here https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-connect.html
[13:16] <arunas> yas ikonia
[13:16] <jjhi> 1024*768*32
[13:16] <hfp> EriC^^: Thanks for your help, and for showing me the termbin trick, that'll come in handy
[13:16] <EriC^^> hfp: no problem
[13:17] <arunas> ok and how me find information about me router?
[13:17] <FreddyP> arnunas : most routers have web UK you access via its ip addres e.g. http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:18] <FreddyP> a WebUI*
[13:18] <EriC^^> jjhi: if you put "vga=792" next to quiet splash in /etc/default/grub it will give you 1024x768x24
[13:18] <arunas> me need acsample like dis nombers wilog:56:454:59(45:23:2434:)
[13:18] <EriC^^> jjhi: try vbeinfo in grub it might give more info and maybe the x32 one
[13:19] <jjhi> now that's weird
[13:19] <jjhi> grub console is high resolution
[13:20] <EriC^^> yeah it changes grub and keep is so it passes it to the kernel
[13:20] <jjhi> linix is not
[13:20] <EriC^^> oh
[13:21] <jjhi> whn i switch consoles they are 800*600
[13:24] <arunas> ok need delet dis ubuntu stoped sistem
[13:25] <jjhi> arunas: your call
[13:25] <jjhi> arunas: try a livecd next time
[13:25] <EriC^^> i think he's the guy evading bans
[13:26] <EriC^^> how is he living in the uk without knowing how to speak english
[13:26] <arunas> eric im from lithuania
[13:26] <EriC^^> ok
[13:27] <hint> and ikonia
[13:28] <rizonz> this is so weird, my interfaces are names ethX and ifdown doesn't work on it
[13:28] <rizonz> meh
[13:33] <rizonz> can we predict what names interfaces get on the new interface naming scheme ?
[13:33] <rizonz> like ens3 and so on ?
[13:33] <EriC^^> rizonz: i hope so, its called "predictable interface naming" or something iirc
[13:33] <DexterF> hi
[13:33] <rizonz> EriC^^: yes but for VM's it's a wilder guess then ethX
[13:35] <BluesKaj> rizonz:  does ip a , five a enp0s name for eth0 ?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> give
[13:35] <DexterF> strangest problem: installed 16.04 fresh, kept an exisitng /home on that SSD. have / and /home, swap, nothing else. configured everthing to my liking, today boot the machine and did a time warp: every change to /home is lost. I am bereft of any clue what happened.
[13:37] <rizonz> BluesKaj: nope, just eth0
[13:38] <BluesKaj> DexterF:  did you set the moutpoint in the partitioning phase for /home without formatting
[13:38] <DexterF> all changes on root, i.e. all in etc, installed programs and so on are there, only home is affected.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> rizonz:  not a VM expert
[13:38] <rizonz> BluesKaj: it's not because of a VM
[13:38] <DexterF> BluesKaj, yes, I set up sda3 as mountpoint /home and "do not format"
[13:38] <blackflow> rizonz: for virtio it's ensX, I mostly see ens3
[13:39] <blackflow> rizonz: this explains the naming scheme, see comments: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/src/udev/udev-builtin-net_id.c#L20
[13:39] <rizonz> blackflow: true but didn't I set that during my installer already I don't wnas ens ?
[13:39] <rizonz> *want
[13:39] <blackflow> rizonz: while it's very hard to predict exact name, once established it won't change unless you physically change the bus/location of the interface
[13:39] <blackflow> rizonz: if you remove that net.ifnames=0 kernel line, it will default to new systemd scheme
[13:39] <rizonz> blackflow: true but for a VM you never know what the bus is
[13:40] <rizonz> if provisioned
[13:40] <rizonz> so ethX is easier
[13:40] <DexterF> BluesKaj, I am a massive idiot
[13:40] <BluesKaj> DexterF: /dev/sda3 ?
[13:40] <blackflow> I suppose so, that's the part what I meant about hard to predict
[13:40] <blackflow> rizonz: ^^
[13:40] <rizonz> blackflow: :)
[13:40] <BluesKaj> DexterF:  thought sda3 would be your swap
[13:41] <blackflow> rizonz: the "predictable" refers to "once defined, based on bus, it remains the same"
[13:41] <DexterF> BluesKaj, I cloned the ssd as a backup, I THINK it just mounted the usb3 attached clone backup uuid from yesterday, or I have been writing to the backup all day... checking...
[13:42] <DexterF> BluesKaj, augh, it mounted the backup home... brb...
[13:44] <DexterF> BluesKaj, it mounted the backup :D
[13:45] <DexterF> I *have* to remember geenrating new uuids when cloning disks
[13:45] <hfp> EriC^^: FWIW, I was exporting $NVM_DIR but was echoing $NVM_HOME, hence why it was the inly variable that was getting set, ever.  As usual, the computer is right and the user is wrong.
[13:48] <DexterF> something completely different: how do I acquire additional gtk3 themes and preview/apply them? there used to be gtk-theme-switch, but that goes for gtk2 alone it seems
[13:50] <BluesKaj> DexterF:  which DE ?
[13:52] <DexterF> BluesKaj, xfce
[13:53] <MrElendig> DexterF: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GTK%2B
[13:53] <MrElendig> gnome-look is the traditional place to get themes from
[14:00] <nbro> Hi
[14:02] <nbro> Is there a shortcut to show all workspaces (clearly if you have the multiple workspaces option enabled) as if we clicked in the icon on the docker to do it?
[14:04] <taralej> ikonia
[14:04] <nbro> ikonia
[14:04] <nbro> ?
[14:04] <rizonz> what's happening ?
[14:04] <ikonia> rizonz: just an idiot
[14:04] <hfp> ikonia
[14:04] <ikonia> ignore it
[14:04] <zero1ce> hi
[14:05] <zero1ce> hello
[14:05] <rizonz> ikonia: how do you know for sure it's the same one ?
[14:05] <ikonia> rizonz: it is
[14:05] <zero1ce> what is use of hexchat??
[14:05] <zero1ce> what is use of hexchat??
[14:06] <zero1ce> please help me i'm new here
[14:06] <zero1ce> what is use of hexchat??
[14:06] <DexterF> zero1ce, IRC cleint. on IRC see wikipedia.
[14:06] <rizonz> this interface issue is weird
[14:06] <zero1ce> hello,
[14:06] <hfp^> Hey, I said "ikonia" out of curiosity and now I'm banned from #ubuntu... What did I do?
[14:07] <zero1ce> hey tell me any one pleasr
[14:07] <zero1ce> hellllll yahhh
[14:07] <zero1ce> ok ttyl
[14:09] <DexterF> zero1ce, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat
[14:09] <BluesKaj> hfp^:  you're in #ubuntu, so you're not banned, obviously
[14:10] <hfp^> BluesKaj: I'm with the webchat atm, my actual user in my bouncer can't join #ubuntu anymore because it's banned
[14:10] <Threads> hfp^ sure you didnt act like a prick to get banned ?
[14:10] <DexterF> afer login, I keep looking at a "inlock keyring" prompt, seems to be gnome keyring. I don't remember ever setting one, how can I reset it? I actually would use it
[14:10] <BluesKaj> hfp^:  you must have done something intolerable
[14:11] <hfp^> No, check your history... Someone said ikoni and it made someone else +o -o, I said "ikonia" as well to see if it would make that person +o -o as well, and got autobanned... Didn't mean any harm and didn't expect that at all
[14:11] <hfp^> s/ikoni/ikonia
[14:12] <sam_wong> Hi, can I burn blue ray dvd with Brasero?
[14:14] <ducasse> hfp^: this is a long running thing that you got caught up in when you highlighted that nick while saying nothing else. explain in #ubuntu-ops, and i'm sure they'll unban you. it's easy to see from the log.
[14:14] <mnogo> ikonia din fucks with old irc users friens
[14:14] <ducasse> hfp^: ^^ that's why
[14:15] <hfp^> ducasse: thanks
[14:16] <narami> hi guys
[14:16] <tapoumen> ikonia tapoumen glupak
[14:17] <tapoumen> panimaesh
[14:17] <singh1114> #join #slic3r
[14:17] <liuyuhong> There is Chinese?
[14:17] <ducasse> !cn | liuyuhong
[14:20] <hfp> ducasse: all sorted out :)
[14:20] <dawid> hey
[14:20] <dawid> is someone here?
[14:20] <kille> sup yo
[14:21] <hfp> dawid: 1880 people are here
[14:21] <dawid> whats'up?
[14:21] <dawid> opps I see now
[14:21] <kille> just me trying to get back into the ubuntu linux thing.
[14:21] <kille> its been a year.
[14:22] <dawid> i am now learning how to use ubuntu
[14:22] <dawid> ive installed ubuntu instead of win10
[14:22] <kille> it serves its purpose.
[14:22] <kille> i have a dual boot now, cant game or dev on ubuntu as easily as on win.
[14:22] <kille> but i play minecraft on ubuntu
[14:22] <kille> how you finding it so far?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> !steam | kille
[14:23] <dawid> im now working on running lol on ubuntu
[14:23] <kille> ok, let me rephrase that, opensource gaming is not where it should be. :)
[14:23] <dawid> but bugsplat occurs
[14:23] <dawid> anyone know how to run lol on ubuntu?
[14:23] <kille> you can run dota2 as well. easily, quite impressively.
[14:23] <blackflow> kille: some nice non-opensource titles on steam available on linux.
[14:24] <kille> blackflow: strue, but they dont have visual studio.
[14:24] <kille> not sure about lol, <dawid>
[14:24] <blackflow> I was also quite pleasantly surprised when I played Wolfenstein New Order in wine with zero glitches.
[14:25] <kille> if anyone here knows anything about that, Id be interested as well.
[14:25] <kille> linux has its place, as does win. i like both. i just dont see the point of emulation when it isnt necessary.
[14:26] <blackflow> it's not emulation :)
[14:26] <kille> wine. WINdows Emulator.
[14:26] <blackflow> no. WINE = WINE Is Not an Emulator
[14:26] <kille> hardware virtualization i get it, but still.
[14:26] <DexterF> kille, Wine Is Not an Emulator
[14:26] <kille> lol
[14:26] <BluesKaj> here we go
[14:26] <blackflow> recursive acronym :)
[14:26] <kille> omg. youre right
[14:26] <kille> apologise.
[14:27] <kille> hey like i said, both have their place.
[14:27] <Dark_Arc> kille: what does visual studio have to do with anything? o.O
[14:27] <DexterF> kille, it is an re-implementation of the Windows APIs, so it does not emulate a running windows core but offers the programs interface to native implementations on linux
 i code in windows for a living. <dexterf> did not know that, just made myself seem stupid here.
[14:28] <kille> thanks for setting me straight. like i said, it's been a while.
[14:28] <dannyxn> i have a question
[14:28] <Dark_Arc> ah, I pitty you lol
[14:28] <Dark_Arc> Windows C++ land is kinda ugh...
[14:28] <dannyxn> is ubuntu better than windows in python development?
[14:28] <Dark_Arc> for sure
[14:29] <Dark_Arc> Python runs a lot slower on Windows
 i code in C# though, specifically specialising in back end, so microservices etc.
[14:29] <dannyxn> c# is soo gly
[14:29] <dannyxn> ugly
[14:29] <DexterF> kille, which is both its glory and its achilles heel all in one, but that's a long story... nah, that's ok, we spread what we know here to those who like to learn a new thing or two
[14:29] <CarlFK> dannyxn: as a person who teaches python, yes.
[14:29] <Dark_Arc> kille: oh that's not so bad then,  sorry I don't know where I got C++ from
[14:29] <kille> but i can hit up a UWP app easily, winforms, asp.net etc.
[14:30] <ducasse> !ot
[14:30] <dannyxn> is python still worth to learn more than java?
[14:30] <CarlFK> how do I tell the installer to setup whatever is needed to boot from efi?
[14:30] <kille> hey don't hate windows, don't be a fanboi. there are pros and cons on both ends, personally i love ubuntu, but i grew up on windows.
[14:30] <Dark_Arc> dannyxn: depends what you want to do, it's just a tool
[14:31] <kille> does linux support uefi yet? last i read there were some issues there.
[14:31] <dannyxn> I want to work in security industry
[14:31] <Dark_Arc> kille: yeah, perfectly fine
[14:31] <CarlFK> dannyxn: you will have an easier time finding java job, but you won't have as much fun.
[14:31] <Dark_Arc> using UEFI right now actually
[14:32] <kille> cool. didnt know. ill go look it up. :)
[14:32] <dannyxn> yes using UEFI is right, yesterday I've checked it
[14:32] <kille> anyhow, cheers for now guys,
[14:32] <DexterF> kille, the problem really is uefi, not linux :) uefi is evil and broken by design
[14:32] <Dark_Arc> DexterF: I don't think it's inheritly bad, the signing causes some problems, but not needing to use logical volumes is nice
[14:33] <CarlFK> Dark_Arc: soo.. how did you do it?   I am assuming/hoping I dont have to  parted up my disk by hand.  I would hope "well supported" means there is a script or something that will do it
[14:33] <dannyxn> guys, any good refers to nice books to learn intermediate python?
[14:33] <CarlFK> dannyxn: /j #python
[14:33] <dannyxn> I mean networking included etc.
[14:34] <ducasse> dannyxn: look at the site(s) mentioned in the topic in #python
[14:34] <Dark_Arc> CarlFK: if you booted in UEFI, the installer itself should handle that as long as you have a UEFI partition (to my recollection)
[14:34] <DexterF> Dark_Arc, well it *is* a mini OS with very low level hardware access that does not let you know how it ticks under the bonnet. it essentially violates the open src idea and is a key eyebrow raiser regarding how much I can trust my machine
[14:34] <BluesKaj> DexterF:  don't thing uefi is evil by design, but poorlly designed and clunky from a linux perspective
[14:35] <CarlFK> Dark_Arc: I only have 1 ext4 partition.  that i am happy to blow away.   sounds like I need to create the partition so that the installer will work with it?   seems odd.
[14:35] <DexterF> BluesKaj, ok, the shoddy design and how manufacturers handle it pose the real threats, true that.
[14:35] <Dark_Arc> DexterF: fair point
[14:36] <DexterF> I remember bricked laptop just by installing linux. thinkpad 540, some samsungs.
[14:36] <ducasse> CarlFK: the installer will take care of everything for you if you just let it.
[14:37] <ducasse> CarlFK: just let it do automatic partitioning.
[14:37] <BluesKaj> DexterF:  TBH. I wiped uefi/gpt off my laptop back in 2013 when i bought it , wasn't about to use windows anyway
[14:37] <Dark_Arc> DexterF: really? that's crazy
[14:37] <CarlFK> ducasse: um.. the installer gave me 1 big partition.  text mode install screens about partitioning https://veyepar.nextdayvideo.com/static/temp/d.html
[14:38] <Dark_Arc> are you sure you booted in UEFI mode?
[14:38] <Dark_Arc> Most bios will list (EUFI) next to the boot menu option
[14:38] <Dark_Arc> UEFI*
[14:38] <ducasse> CarlFK: i suspect you might have booted in legacy mode
[14:38] <BluesKaj> yup, sounds like it
[14:38] <lucas-arg> does ubuntu mate 16.04 has lastest mate desktop??
[14:39] <ducasse> !latest | lucas-arg
[14:39] <DexterF> Dark_Arc, google uefi bricked thinkpad.
[14:39] <CarlFK> I am booting the pxe net install.  which says efi, but #ipxe says "that is often a lie" so.. how do I tell?
[14:39] <Dark_Arc> DexterF: wow, I'd say that's more a bad on Lenovo thing than anything else
[14:39] <ducasse> CarlFK: that doesn't support uefi afaik, but check in #ubuntu-server
[14:40] <DexterF> BluesKaj, "wiped" uefi..? you mean you went legacy, not "alternative BIOS" I assume?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> DexterF:  did you try msdos table then partition to ext4
[14:40] <DexterF> BluesKaj, that's what I got here, actually.
[14:41] <BluesKaj> nope DexterF used flashback BIOS mode and legacy
[14:41] <DexterF> BluesKaj, on what laptop?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> lenovo laptops at the time had that option
[14:42] <BluesKaj> g500
[14:43] <DexterF> BluesKaj, been using lenovos for quite a while no but did not knwo that. is there a database on that? got a t530 here
[14:44] <BluesKaj> DexterF:  actually it's called BIOS Back Flash
[14:46] <hosass> How do I get unity working again (I lost my desktop)?  I uninstall xubuntu-desktop and everything went south
[14:46] <hosass>  but I can still login via GNOME (lcompiz)
[14:46] <hosass>  I've since tried reinstalling xubuntu-desktop but nothing worked
[14:46] <hosass> the only thing I get is: the mouse pointer and an empty desktop Alt +Ctrl +T doesn't work. Nothing works unless I go through Alt +Ctrl +F1 etc and call it manually through DISPLAY=:0
[14:46] <hosass>  any suggestions?
[14:48] <jjhi> is the mouse pointer a black X?
[14:48] <hosass> yes
[14:48] <hosass> I have mouse pointer but nothing else
[14:49] <jjhi> is xfce4-session running?
[14:49] <hosass> not using xfce4-session. I uninstalled it
[14:50] <hosass> should I install it?
[14:52] <jjhi> wait so what DE you want
[14:52] <hosass> ubuntu-desktop
[14:52] <hosass> I have access to GNONE (compiz)
[14:53] <BluesKaj> hosass:  afaik unity is still default, so install ubuntu-desktop
[14:53] <hosass> I reinstalled compiz and lightdm
[14:54] <hosass> unity is still default
[14:55] <hosass> I purged it and installed it like a thousand times but nothing worked
[14:55] <BluesKaj> hosass: 17.04?
[14:56] <hosass> nope 14.04
[14:56] <FManTropyx> why do I still have upstart?
[14:57] <jjhi> so good we won't see unity again
[14:58] <hosass> hahaha
[14:58] <hosass> I still liked unity
[14:58] <BluesKaj> hosass:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/711991/how-to-completely-restore-default-desktop-environment-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts-after
[14:58] <ioria> hosass,  try   sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop and reboot
[14:58] <jjhi> if you open a terminal, and run "compiz --replace" from there, what happens?
[14:58] <hosass> @ioria I done that a thousand times
[14:59] <ioria> hosass,  with the  --reinstall  flag ?
[14:59] <hosass> yes
[14:59] <hosass> I did some googling
[15:00] <BluesKaj> hosass:  read the url i posted above
[15:00] <jjhi> ioria: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage
[15:01] <ioria> jjhi, yes
[15:01] <jjhi> it doesn't affect anything on its removal
[15:01] <hosass> @BluesKaj I tried those suggestions before coming it didn't worked, thanks
[15:01] <ioria> jjhi,  but installing, yes
[15:01] <Mavericks> what is tar.zst file ?
[15:01] <Mavericks> is it not extractable with tar
[15:01] <Mavericks> ?
[15:01] <ioria> hosass,  how many DE do you have ?
[15:02] <hosass> right now just 2
[15:02] <ioria> hosass,  ls /usr/share/xsessions
[15:02] <hosass> Ubunty unity and GNOME
[15:02] <hosass> ok
[15:03] <ioria> hosass,   lightdm is installed and working ?
[15:03] <hosass> yes lightdm is working
[15:03] <ioria> hosass,   what happens when you choose Ubuntu from the login screen ?
[15:04] <anotheryou> hi, I got an old hp laserjet that only works with foo2zjs, it fails to print some pages in some pdfs with some viewers... All kinda moon-phasy. Any ideas? Otherwise I'll need to spin up some windows XP :/
[15:05] <hosass>  @ioria ls /usr/share/xsessions gave me
[15:05] <hosass> gnome.desktop           gnome-flashback-compiz.desktop
[15:05] <hosass> gnome-fallback.desktop  ubuntu.desktop
[15:06] <ioria> hosass,   what happens when you choose Ubuntu from the login screen ?
[15:06] <hosass> when I choose ubuntu . I insert my passwd
[15:06] <hosass> I just get only mouse and empty desktop
[15:07] <ioria> hosass,   try the Guest Account
[15:08] <hosass> can't get into guest or any other account when I choose ubuntu DE
[15:08] <ioria> hosass,   yes, you can
[15:08] <hosass> ok
[15:08] <hosass> let me try it again
[15:10] <lamercho> ikonia
[15:10] <lamercho> :)
[15:10] <lamercho> {}
[15:10] <Dro> hello, i have an issue with my touchpad.. it seems that it was touched by water, and now its not correctly
[15:10] <Dro> any idea how to fix it?
[15:13] <Mavericks> Dro: tried fixing it ?
[15:13] <hosass> @oiria just an empty desktop and a mouse it all I get
[15:13] <Dro> Mavericks, I have no idea what should i do
[15:13] <Mavericks> Dro: i mean have you tried any ?
[15:13] <Mavericks> ok
[15:13] <Dro> normally there is no water inside..
[15:14] <Dro> Mavericks, I tried shutting down the computer for x minutes ,and than it back to work normally
[15:14] <Dro> but after few minutes it back to the same problem
[15:14] <Dro> i tried to shut down again , but still not working after restart
[15:14] <Mavericks> open up the piece and let it dry for an hour or two
[15:14] <hosass> @oiria am I doing anything wrong?
[15:15] <ducasse> Dro: if you have a hardware problem you should ask in ##hardware
[15:15] <Mavericks> that could fix it yes ##hardware
[15:15] <Dro> i though its a software problem maybe..
[15:15] <Dro> because it worked than it stopped again
[15:16] <Dro> maybe ubuntu is configured to not detect it
[15:17] <ducasse> Dro: if you got water in it and it stopped working, that is not a software problem.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> hosass:  are you checking the login for other desktops in the dropdown?
[15:20] <hosass> yes
[15:20] <hosass> I did checked
[15:21] <hosass> I can only into GNOME fallback (compiz)
[15:21] <hosass> even normal GNOME doesn't work
[15:22] <hosass> but I regular GNOME works via startx at F8
[15:23] <Dro> ducasse, btw it partially work, (the right button for example)
[15:23] <hosass> @BluesKaj :  it's anything I'm missing?
[15:24] <ioria> hosass,  does your system support unityn ?
[15:24] <ioria> *unity
[15:24] <BluesKaj> there is a drop down at the login page where yopu can choose installed desktop environments
[15:24] <BluesKaj> hosass: ^
[15:24] <hosass> yes it does support unity
[15:25] <ioria> hosass,  are you in gnome-flashback session ?
[15:25] <hosass> nope
[15:26] <hosass> I'm having empty desktop via ubuntu Guest login as you suggested
[15:26] <ioria> hosass,  so, what de are you using right now ?
[15:27] <hosass> regular GNOME via F8 , after I did startx
[15:27] <ioria> hosass,  why are using startx ?
[15:27] <hosass> but gnome-flashback session works when I use it
[15:27] <hosass> I was just curious
[15:27] <davido_> Upon each reboot my "Online Accounts" requires that I re-grant for Google.
[15:27] <ioria> hosass,  don't use it
[15:28] <ioria> hosass,  there is lightdm for that
[15:28] <hosass> to staart my regular unity I had to export DISPLAY=:O
[15:28] <ioria> hosass,  you don't need that
[15:28] <hosass> so how do I get in?
[15:29] <ioria> hosass,   open a terminal and paste   cat ~/.xsession-errors
[15:29] <hosass> every time without export DISPLAY=:0  I can't get into even gnome-terminal
[15:29] <hosass> ok
[15:29] <FreddyP> apt moo
[15:31] <hosass> @ioria the output was a lot so let me see if I can create a  http://paste.ubuntu.com/ for it
[15:31] <ioria> hosass,      cat ~/.xsession-errors | pastebinit   will do
[15:32] <hosass> ok
[15:33] <hosass> @ioria : this is  the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24434151/
[15:33] <hosass>
[15:33] <hosass> thanks man
[15:34] <ioria> hosass,      never seen such a log
[15:35] <hosass> hahahaha
[15:35] <hosass> okay
[15:35] <hosass> 'm in shitI
[15:35] <hosass> hahaha
[15:35] <hosass> you made sound scary
[15:36] <ioria> hosass,    dpkg -l | grep compiz | pastebinit
[15:36] <nbro> Is there a shortcut to show all workspaces (as if I click on the icon in the docker to show all workspaces)
[15:36] <nbro> ?
[15:36] <hosass> okay
[15:37] <hosass> @ioria http://paste.ubuntu.com/24434178/
[15:37] <hosass>
[15:37] <ioria> hosass,   you probably messed compiz ...
[15:37] <hosass> did I?
[15:38] <hosass> and I did reinstalled
[15:38] <hosass> many times
[15:38] <hosass> should reset?
[15:38] <hosass> again?
[15:38] <ioria> hosass,   why compiz-mate  ?
[15:39] <hosass> I was trying that too
[15:39] <hosass> trying to install mate
[15:39] <hosass> and it installed that
[15:39] <ioria> hosass, try do add a new user : sudo adduser newuser
[15:40] <hosass> ok
[15:40] <freedwhayt> i am in (initramfs) shell, I can mount root, how do i manually boot the kernel from here and move to chroot, I am new to systemd please advise ?
[15:40] <hosass> @oiria
[15:40] <hosass> new user added
[15:41] <hosass> should I login using it?
[15:41] <ioria> hosass,  let's try
[15:41] <hosass> using ubuntu or whcih DE?
[15:41] <ioria> yes
[15:41] <hosass> ok
[15:41] <hosass> give a minute
[15:41] <hosass> I have to log out first
[15:51] <tapoumen> ikonia i am lame not you cray psiho lame oper abuser .....
[15:52] <tapoumen> crazy
[15:54] <hosass> @oiria didn't work with ubuntu only with GNOME fallback (compiz)
[15:55] <ioria> hosass,  yes, ... you are on trusty, right ?
[15:55] <hosass> yes
[15:55] <hosass> I am
[15:55] <ioria> hosass,  so, why do you have compiz 1:0.9.12+14.10.20140812 ?
[15:55] <hosass> hahahaha
[15:55] <ioria> !info compiz  trusty
[15:55] <hosass> Installed it yesterday
[15:56] <hosass> because mate needs it
[15:56] <ioria> hosass,  from here ? https://answers.launchpad.net/~eugenesan/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/4401247/+listing-archive-extra
[15:56] <grantwu> ioria: Oh, by the way, the gnome-shell crashes keep on happening.
[15:56] <ioria> hosass,  or with a ppa ?
[15:57] <hosass> not ppa just downloaded a deb
[15:57] <ioria> hosass,  you need to purge them all then, before try to reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[15:59] <hosass> how do I do that? sudo apt-get remove --purge compiz*?
[16:00] <ioria> hosass,  nope, switch to a console and  sudo apt-get purge  these pkgs http://paste.ubuntu.com/24434178/, if not working try with sudo dpkg -P
[16:00] <hosass> @ioria : should I do it from gui or console
[16:00] <hosass> ok
[16:01] <hosass> do I need to logout of the current user first?
[16:02] <hosass> @ ioria: or just go console? via Alt +Ctrl +F1 etc
[16:02] <ioria> hosass,  open a console stop lightdm and purge
[16:02] <hosass> ok
[16:02] <hosass> thanks
[16:03] <hosass> let me try it
[16:03] <hosass> I shall get back to you soon
[16:06] <hosass> @ oiria : should I install compiz again after the purge?
[16:06] <hosass> I kinda think so
[16:08] <ioria> hosass,    dpkg -l | grep compiz | pastebinit
[16:09] <ioria> hosass,    it cames with unity
[16:09] <ioria> *comes
[16:21] <hosass> @oiria I have done that. Should install compiz?
[16:21] <ioria> hosass,    dpkg -l | grep compiz | pastebinit
[16:21] <hosass> or what next?
[16:21] <hosass> ok
[16:22] <hosass> @ioria this is the output: You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[16:22] <hosass>
[16:23] <ioria> hosass,    ok, were you trying to install the mate-desktop on trusty ?
[16:23] <hosass> because compiz it can't find compiz right?
[16:23] <ioria> yes
[16:23] <hosass> ok
[16:23] <ioria> hosass,    ok, were you trying to install the mate-desktop on trusty ?
[16:24] <hosass> nope I was just running out of options, don't know what to do. But I would love to have ubuntu DE back
[16:24] <hosass> if possible
[16:24] <ioria> hosass,    need to know if you installed some ppa ...
[16:24] <EriC^^> why isn't ubuntu DE working?
[16:25] <ioria> EriC^^, he did somethiong mate-related and installed wrong version of compiz
[16:25] <EriC^^> oh
[16:25] <hosass> @ioria ppa in general or related to DE
[16:25] <ioria> hosass,   both
[16:25] <hosass> I have some ppa
[16:26] <ioria> hosass,  apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop | pastebinit
[16:26] <hosass> both DE nvidia and others
[16:26] <hosass> ok
[16:26] <hosass> @oiria http://paste.ubuntu.com/24434594/
[16:26] <hosass>
[16:27] <EriC^^> it's uninstalled
[16:27] <ioria> hosass,   ok ....  sudo apt-get intall  ubuntu-desktop
[16:28] <hosass> @ oiria via console or gui?
[16:28] <EriC^^> console
[16:28] <ioria> yep
[16:28] <hosass> ok
[16:30] <mrcuber> hey
[16:31] <mrcuber> new to ubuntu can i get some tips
[16:31] <MonkeyDust> !manual | mrcuber
[16:32] <indoanonymous> indoanonymous
[16:32] <nubbynub> Anyone ever tried installing Matlab on a live session? I wonder how well it would work.
[16:32] <mrcuber> ubottu i know all that stuff i neen like commands and such
[16:33] <EriC^^> nubbynub: you can always load everything into memory, it might work pretty well then
[16:33] <EriC^^> (toram grub parameter does that)
[16:33] <mrcuber> nubbynub i have id crashes
[16:34] <MonkeyDust> mrcuber  you can use any !bash tutorial
[16:34] <mrcuber> <MonkeyDust tru
[16:36] <nubbynub> EriC^^: that's a step further, yeah. I was just wondering if it could be installed/used properly off a live session (eg. experimental evidence).
[16:36] <mrcuber> nubbynub noo it crashes
[16:37] <nubbynub> mrcuber: you tried installing Matlab on a live session? tell me more.
[16:38] <mrcuber> nubbynub i cant rember any thing else
[16:38] <mrcuber> sorry
[16:38] <nubbynub> rgr
[16:39] <EriC^^> nubbynub: why do you want to install it on a live session?
[16:39] <hosass> @ioria I've installed ubuntu-desktop and did a reboot
[16:39] <kk4ewt> mrcuber,  installing matlab in a live session will work but you have to have a persistant layer big enough
[16:40] <hosass> @ioria  need I do any anything else?
[16:40] <nubbynub> EriC^^: makes it easier to work with on different PCs without having to install/license each time.
[16:40] <ioria> hosass,  apt-cache policy unity | pastebinit
[16:40] <hosass> ok
[16:40] <mrcuber> kk4ewt ohh thanks
[16:41] <hosass> @ioria  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24434655/
[16:41] <EriC^^> nubbynub: why dont you make a live usb with persistence or an actual install on a usb with legacy/removable media efi files
[16:41] <kk4ewt> mrcuber,  i have done it on another Distro  (and we use a license server so thats not an issue)
[16:41] <nubbynub> kk4ewt: interesting. Guess I'll have to try it!
[16:42] <ioria> hosass,  looks good ...  try to login in the new user you created before
[16:42] <mrcuber> kk4ewt gonna try again
[16:42] <hosass> ok
[16:42] <nubbynub> EriC^^: yeah, I think I will. I just couldn't locate anyone that's done it before on the www and thought I'd ask here.
[16:43] <kk4ewt> mrcuber,  i suggest a 8Gb persistant layer so you will have to make it ext4
[16:43] <mrcuber> nubbynub same
[16:43] <mrcuber> ok thanks 4 the info kk4ewt
[16:44] <kk4ewt> mrcuber,  i am techsupport for a Uni Mathematics Dept
[16:44] <mrcuber> ohhh
[16:44] <kk4ewt> so yes i am very aware of matlab
[16:45] <kk4ewt> also you can also look at octave
[16:45] <nubbynub> kk4ewt: betcha you have access to pretty powerful GPU clusters?
[16:45] <kk4ewt> nubbynub,  one
[16:45] <hosass> @ioria I just have a mouse and empty desktop
[16:45] <mrcuber> nubbynub not suprised
[16:45] <ioria> hosass,    dpkg -l | grep compiz | pastebinit
[16:45] <hosass> ok
[16:46] <hosass> @ioria http://paste.ubuntu.com/24434678/
[16:46] <hosass>
[16:46] <mrcuber> does any one want to play supertuxkart
[16:46] <ioria> hosass,    i told you to purge those packages
[16:47] <hosass> I've done that
[16:47] <ioria> hosass,    nope
[16:47] <hosass> ubuntu-desktop installed them not me
[16:48] <mrcuber> hosass what
[16:48] <ioria> hosass,    ubuntu-desktop on trusty does not install tha version
[16:48] <hosass> holy molly
[16:48] <ioria> hosass,   uname -r
[16:48] <mrcuber> rip mint 13
[16:49] <hosass> @ ioria how do I grep the output of installation so that I can do it all over again and sent the output to you?
[16:49] <nubbynub> kk4ewt: yeah, tried Octave, but Matlab's performance and gpuArray types are too attractive.
[16:49] <ioria> hosass,   uname -r
[16:49] <hosass> 4.4.0-72-generic
[16:49] <hosass>
[16:50] <mrcuber> rip mint 13
[16:50] <hosass> do I need a downgrade?
[16:50] <hfp> Why is it that when I run `sudo update-alternatives --config editor` it only offers vim.basic and vim.tiny but not the full vim I'm using everywhere else? Or is vim-basic the same as vim?
[16:50] <mrcuber> hosass no
[16:50] <hosass> ok
[16:51] <mrcuber> does any one want to play supertuxkart
[16:51] <ikonia> mrcuber: thats not what this channel is for
[16:51] <ikonia> you've asked enough now
[16:51] <mrcuber> ok tru
[16:51] <ikonia> thank you
[16:52] <mrcuber> welcome
[16:52] <ioria> hosass,   seems an utopic package
[16:52] <hosass> @ioria utopia package? never heard of it
[16:52] <ioria> hosass,  14.10
[16:53] <ducasse> hosass: what does /etc/issue say?
[16:53] <hosass> you mean I should upgrade my os?
[16:53] <ioria> hosass,  paste /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:53] <bonsaitree> I am trying to install Viber for Linux. The previous time i did a fresh install it was a point-and-click experience, downloaded the .deb file, it opened 'Software' and it installed. Now it will install but not execute properly, saying there is an error. However, i tried with the RPM, but the package manager won't even unpack it. Here is the error log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24434725/
[16:54] <hosass> @ioria the output for issues is -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26 Aug  1  2016 /etc/issue
[16:55] <ducasse> hosass: 'cat /etc/issue'
[16:55] <hosass> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS \n \l
[16:56] <ioria> hosass,  paste                   /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:56] <hosass> ok
[16:56] <mrcuber> <bonsaitree what
[16:56] <mrcuber> ??
[16:57] <ducasse> bonsaitree: is that the errors from the deb or the rpm?
[16:57] <bonsaitree> ducasse:rpm
[16:57] <ioria> hosass,   and apt-cache policy compiz
[16:57] <bonsaitree> mrcuber:?
[16:57] <hosass> @ioria http://paste.ubuntu.com/24434744/
[16:57] <ducasse> bonsaitree: not even going to try debugging that, don't use rpm on ubuntu. get rid of it and try installing the deb manually.
[16:57] <mrcuber> gtg nevermind
[16:58] <hosass> @ioria and http://paste.ubuntu.com/24434746/
[16:58] <hosass>
[16:58] <jjhi> bonsaitree: don't use the package manager
[16:58] <hosass> for the second one
[16:58] <jjhi> unpack the rpm manually
[16:58] <ioria> hosass,   here we are
[16:58] <hosass> ok
[16:58] <bonsaitree> ducasse:Okay
[16:58] <bonsaitree> jjhi, Okay
[16:58] <ioria> hosass,   purge with ppa-purge this 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/eugenesan/
[16:59] <hosass> ok
[16:59] <ducasse> bonsaitree: don't use the rpm, bad idea. if there is a deb available that is what you should use.
[16:59] <ioria> hosass,   and this //ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate-dev/trusty-mate/ubuntu
[16:59] <hosass> ok
[16:59] <bonsaitree> ducasse:I know, but it won't work properly
[16:59] <ioria> !infop ppa-purge | hosass
[16:59] <ioria> !info ppa-purge | hosass
[17:00] <bonsaitree> ducasse:Viber is installed under 'Internet', but it won't execute at all.
[17:00] <ducasse> bonsaitree: try 'sudo apt install /path/to/filename.deb'
[17:00] <bonsaitree> ducasse:Okay, will
[17:01] <bonsaitree> ducasse: 'locate' won't even show anything with string 'viber'
[17:01] <ducasse> bonsaitree: updatedb only runs every night iirc, if you installed today it won't show up with locate yet.
[17:02] <bonsaitree> ducasse:I opened it directly just to check, and Software says that Viber is not installed lol, but it's shown under 'Internet'. Never mind, i will try with direct install now
[17:05] <Naktibalda> hi, lightdm stopped starting automatically after a recent update, but I can start it manually. What could be a reason? Kubuntu 16.04
[17:06] <ducasse> Naktibalda: are you sure you want lightdm? aiui kubuntu uses sddm.
[17:06] <bonsaitree> ducasse:Nope, there was a notif. 'Viber is installed', it *is* present under 'Internet', but it won't execute. Also, after the installation, there is no 'remove' but 'install' again, in Software Center..
[17:07] <Naktibalda> I upgraded from 14.04 and it worked for a few months
[17:08] <Naktibalda> I only discovered that it isn't recommended to upgrade after I solved all upgrade issues :)
[17:08] <Naktibalda> but I will try to switch to sddm
[17:08] <tgm4883> it isn't recommended to upgrade?
[17:09] <bonsaitree> ducasse:was rebooting, in case you replied
[17:09] <ducasse> bonsaitree: try running viber from a terminal, see if there are errors
[17:09] <hosass> @ioria done with the pp-purge but the second one gave me Could not find package list for PPA:  http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate-dev/trusty-mate/ubuntu/ ppa
[17:10] <ioria> hosass,   ppa:ubuntu-mate-dev/xenial-mate
[17:11] <hosass> ok
[17:11] <bonsaitree> ducasse: with 'viber&' ?
[17:11] <ducasse> bonsaitree: try that
[17:11] <ioria> hosass,  sorry, ppa:ubuntu-mate-dev/trusty-mate
[17:12] <hosass> ok
[17:12] <bonsaitree> ducasse: It does show as an executed process with a pid but after running ps -e it is not shown.
[17:12] <Naktibalda> tgm4883: Warning: 14.04 LTS to 16.04 LTS upgrades are problematic, and should not be attempted by the average user. Please install a fresh copy of 16.04.1 instead. http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-16-04-1-lts-update-out/
[17:13] <ducasse> bonsaitree: no errors in the terminal?
[17:13] <tgm4883> Naktibalda: ouch
[17:13] <bonsaitree> ducasse:Nope, what is the install dir for Viber, since i can't use locate?
[17:13] <bonsaitree> ducasse:I will delete it from there, and install it via command line instead of Software center