[12:06] <shannara> You Rock!!!!
[12:07] <juliux> np
[12:48] <xbl> good day!!!
[03:16] <wastrel> hi
[03:18] <Burgundavia> salut wastrel
[04:27] <warpedmind> hi all
[04:30] <warpedmind> anyone else have problems with edubuntu client not logging on to the server and just going back to the logon screen?
[04:31] <warpedmind> im using the breezy install from the site
[04:34] <mhz> warpedmind: hi
[04:34] <mhz> warpedmind: do you have access to the edubuntu server as a admin ?
[04:35] <Burgundavia> salut warpedmind
[04:36] <mhz> warpedmind: usually, there are 2 things to consider when you face the situation you describe:
[04:36] <warpedmind> yes I am admin on the machine
[04:36] <mhz> warpedmind: a) make sure, the user you want to login is not currently logged in in the server side
[04:37] <mhz> b) at the server side, run this: ltsp-update-sshkeys
[04:37] <mhz> nad try to login with the user again
[04:37] <mhz> nad =and
[04:37] <warpedmind> ok thats something new to try
[04:38] <warpedmind> also I am downloading the dapper cd both live and install to see how that helps
[04:38] <mhz> warpedmind: and I am assuming you read http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes and followed all instructions
[04:39] <mhz> warpedmind: cool
[04:39] <warpedmind> :-)  I wouldnt be here otherwise
[04:39] <warpedmind> im a big believer in RTFM
[04:39] <mhz> warpedmind: sorry, I had to ask :)
[04:39] <warpedmind> lol np
[04:39] <mhz> warpedmind: we are not big fans of RTFM here
[04:39] <mhz> we always think we dont know enough
[04:40] <mhz> and people are free to read
[04:40] <mhz> or not read
[04:40] <mhz> of course, not reading is unhealthy
[04:40] <mhz> but we are always glad to help others
[04:40] <warpedmind> ive run k-12LTSP  and  LTSP through regular ubuntu but since edubuntu doesnt use the standards Im at a loss
[04:41] <mhz> warpedmind: yeah, our ltsp is 'speacial' :D
[04:41] <warpedmind> im always glad to help those who really need it cause I know others need to be guided but for myself I always try all that I can on my own before I ask for help
[04:41] <mhz> warpedmind: but edubuntu server stting is just a matter of following th esteps asked by the cd
[04:42] <mhz> warpedmind: that's agood policy
[04:44] <mhz> warpedmind: just rememeber we always may know less than others, and we may also misunderstand the questions asked, etc. That's why we are not fans of RTFM here
[04:44] <warpedmind> yeah I followed along on the install and Im on a 192.168.0.* network so no major config there and the gui login came up but no actual login possible.  so I tried enabling the xdcmp only to realize that its not really needed
[04:45] <warpedmind> yep agreed
[04:45] <mhz> warpedmind: but did the ltsp-update.. work?
[04:45] <warpedmind> not to mention that you can learn more through other peoples mistakes but you learn BETTER through your own.
[04:46] <mhz> and in case you touched the dhcpd.conf.. remember to use /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[04:46] <mhz> warpedmind: 100% agreed
[04:46] <warpedmind> I have to wait till tomorrow to try it out I am the sysadmin @ a boys and girls club and thats where its set up
[04:46] <mhz> ooh. then please keep us posted about the results
[04:46] <warpedmind> yep I will
[04:46] <mhz> thx
[04:47] <mhz> now I need to get back to medicine and bed
[04:47] <warpedmind> do you know if and when they will put in something similar to teachers pet
[04:47] <mhz> or else my Chilean butt will be kicked by my wife
[04:47] <warpedmind> ok  thx for the help much appreciated
[04:47] <warpedmind> lol
[04:47] <warpedmind> ok good night
[04:47] <mhz> warpedmind: there are some tries by ogra
[04:47] <mhz> but not sure for dapper
[04:48] <mhz> maybe dapper+1
[04:48] <warpedmind> ok ill keep an eye out
[04:48] <mhz> we know it is a key
[04:48] <mhz> but we had to choose about proirities
[04:48] <Burgundavia> warpedmind: teachers pet is the spec name. Student control panel exists in dcapper
[04:48] <mhz> within priorities
[04:48] <warpedmind> yeah
[04:48] <Burgundavia> it doesn't have much there, but it does work
[04:48] <warpedmind> excellent
[04:49] <mhz> Burgundavia: cool! I knew ogra had mentioned something long ago
[04:50] <mhz> warpedmind: i am off to bed
[04:50] <warpedmind> ohh I cant wait for this torrent to finish
[04:50] <warpedmind> gnite mhz
[04:50] <mhz> warpedmind: good luck and nice seeing you here
[04:50] <warpedmind> thx again
[04:50] <warpedmind> yess Ill be back
[04:50] <mhz> Burgundavia: thx for being here this late
[04:50] <warpedmind> hopefully to help others too
[04:50] <mhz> yeah! warpedmind that'd be cool
[05:02] <warpedmind> nite all
[08:28] <Kamping_At_Hut> i notice edubuntu workstation has no cups at all. can you just install 'cupsys' and get cups back?
[08:45] <Kamping_At_Hut> hm. perhaps i nee dto reinstall... *checks malone for bugs along this lines*
[10:03] <purplefeltangel> heyyy, the topic's OK <3
[10:04] <purplefeltangel> Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: March 08 at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Flight 4 it out ! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/da
[10:04] <purplefeltangel> pper/flight-4/
[10:04] <purplefeltangel> oops
[10:05] <purplefeltangel> . . . ummm great . . . i changed the topic to see if you could but now apparently it's too long or something .  . . *COUGH* sorry . . .
[10:06] <purplefeltangel> seveas: can you fix the topic
[10:06] <wastrel> sigh
[10:06] <purplefeltangel> sorry ^_^;;;;;;;;;;;
[10:06] <wastrel> purplefeltangel:  you don't need to change the topic to see if you can change the topic
[10:06] <wastrel> you can just look at the modeflags of the channel
[10:06] <purplefeltangel> wastrel: how do i do that?
[10:06] <wastrel> /mode #edubuntu
[10:06] <Seveas> purplefeltangel, you just changed it
[10:07] <purplefeltangel> seveas: yes i did. but it messed something up -- see, the last bit of the URL is missing. :/
[10:07] <wastrel> purplefeltangel:  a t in the modes indicates that the topic is locked
[10:07] <Seveas> purplefeltangel, topics can't be onger than that
[10:07] <purplefeltangel> wastrel: yeah, i just didnt know how to see the modes
[10:07] <purplefeltangel> seveas; it was like that when i came in here . . . .
[10:08] <purplefeltangel> thanks seveas ^_^; sorry to cause problems
[10:08] <Seveas> np
[10:08] <Seveas> why am I op?
[10:08] <Seveas> argh, auto-op
[10:12] <highvoltage> Seveas: i thought i'd set your level up as well, for the times that neither ogra/janew/mhz/myself aren't here
[10:12] <highvoltage> Seveas: should i set it back down again, or are you fine with it as it is?
[10:13] <Seveas> you should just unset the auto-op level (/cs level #edubuntu autoop set -1
[10:13] <Seveas> so noone gets opped automagically
[10:14] <highvoltage> ok
[10:17] <highvoltage> Seveas: ok, it's set like that now
[10:17] <Seveas> nope
[10:17] <highvoltage> :/
[10:17] <Seveas> hmm, interesting
[10:17] <Seveas> chanserv is disagreeing with itself
[10:17] <Adalwolf> ?
[10:17] <Adalwolf> :(
[10:18] <highvoltage> that's not good
[10:18] <Adalwolf> Nope.
[10:18] <highvoltage> Adalwolf: mind trying again?
[10:18] <Seveas> ah
[10:18] <Adalwolf> sure.
[10:18] <Seveas>  /cs level #edubuntu autoop reset
[10:18] <highvoltage> Seveas: i've set it to 20, think that will help?
[10:18] <Seveas> yeah, it'll help - my mistake
[10:19] <Adalwolf> :)
[10:19] <Seveas> setting it to -1 will cause anyone to be insta-opped
[10:19] <wastrel> anyone!
[10:19] <Seveas> reset will turn it off completely
[10:19] <wastrel> my my
[10:19] <juliux> highvoltage, i think 20 is only voice, 10 should be op
[10:19] <Seveas> !lart Seveas
[10:21] <highvoltage> weird. still does it for me. perhaps it's because i have founder level access.
[10:24] <Seveas> yep
[10:25] <Seveas>  /cs level #edubuntu autoop reset <-- thatwill turn it off cpompletely
[10:27] <highvoltage> chanserv doesn't seem to like that
[10:27] <highvoltage> brb
[11:37] <ktogias> Hi, Is it possible dist-upgrade from ubuntu to edubuntu after changing the repositories? What changes have to be made?
[11:39] <Adalwulf> ktogias: is this an ubuntu workstation install to an edubuntu workstation upgrade?
[11:40] <ktogias> yes
[11:40] <Adalwulf> If so, I beleive that you only have to install the edubuntu package.
[11:41] <Adalwulf> The classroom server might be different.
[11:41] <ktogias> there is no need to change the repos at /etc/apt/sources.list from ubuntu to edubuntu?
[11:42] <Adalwulf> hang on a sec, let me check my reposies.
[11:44] <Adalwulf> Only my main restricted is edubuntu, all my others are ubuntu.
[11:45] <ktogias> it is like deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/edubuntu breezy main restricted  ?
[11:45] <Adalwulf> lemme check.
[11:49] <Adalwulf> in my /etc/apt/sources.list , I have "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com.ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse"
[11:51] <Adalwulf> This is odd, I only have three lines in my /etc/apt/source.list, but I have 13 in synaptic.
[11:52] <ktogias> Adalwulf, paste the remaining two...
[11:53] <Adalwulf> hang on, edubuntu is on another machine.
[11:57] <Dupliwulf> deb cdrom:[Edubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)] / breezy main restricted
[11:57] <Dupliwulf> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[11:57] <Dupliwulf> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe main restricted multiverse
[11:58] <Dupliwulf> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe main restricted multiverse
[11:58] <Dupliwulf> That all folks.
[11:59] <ktogias> ok. They are the same as in ubuntu... So the only thing nedded is an apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[11:59] <ktogias> Thanks a lot
[11:59] <Adalwulf> np
[01:44] <mhz> ogra: hi there
[01:44] <ogra> mhz, hi
[01:44] <highvoltage> hello ogra and mhz
[01:45] <mhz> ogra: I apologize I am still "offline" but I believe I should be ok by weekend
[01:45] <mhz> highvoltage: hi there mon
[01:45] <mhz> ogra: mark finally said no (well, his assistant)
[01:45] <mhz> ogra: would you
[01:45] <mhz> feel like coming ?
[01:46] <highvoltage> mhz: ya mon i am fine mon
[01:46] <mhz> highvoltage: heheheh
[01:48] <mhz> ogra: ?
[01:50] <mhz> ogra: basically, we need an Ubuntu Member, lots of experience taking care of packages, contributor to Ubuntu (ideally Edubuntu).
[02:11] <mhz> ogra: still there?
[03:10] <Didius> hi
[03:16] <Didius> ahum
[03:16] <Didius> anyone?
[03:17] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:17] <jsgotangco> but verry verrry busy at the moment
[03:17] <Didius> seems like anyone is :D
[03:17] <mhz> Didius: hi
[03:17] <mhz> I got some lucid couple of minutes, so I can try to help you
[03:18] <Didius> well i just came to wonder if edubuntu was ready for school use
[03:18] <Didius> i'm an ICT teacher
[03:19] <mhz> Didius: cool! just the kind of teacher I need to talk to ;)
[03:19] <jsgotangco> Didius: if you require a networked computer lab, yes edubuntu is very usable
[03:19] <mhz> Didius: what are your expectations about edubuntu?
[03:20] <Didius> well that is the problem. I would love to give the kids an introduction to linux, and i guess edubuntu is perfect for that
[03:20] <Didius> i have some spare lessons so.
[03:20] <Didius> but the thing is, what should be told?
[03:20] <mhz> Didius: oooh, okis
[03:21] <mhz> Well, Edubuntu is ready for many schools needs
[03:21] <mhz> it is designed in a way teachers and lab admins have less tasks to set up manually
[03:21] <jsgotangco> Didius: are you planning for a lab or just a few computers?
[03:21] <Didius> a lab
[03:22] <mhz> Didius: you have lots of edu-apps, esp. for young learners
[03:22] <Didius> but I can't let the kids use edubuntu all the time. I can't let them learn to work with OOo instead of MS office, it's not official
[03:23] <Didius> is edubuntu really ready to replace MS?
[03:23] <mhz> Didius: Edubuntu is independant of MS apps
[03:23] <jsgotangco> what apps do you use?
[03:23] <mhz> MS apps, afaik, are web browser, office suite
[03:24] <mhz> Didius: and for such apps, (not edu apps IMHO), linux world can offer alternatives
[03:24] <jsgotangco> and you can dual boot from windows/linux if you want too
[03:25] <jsgotangco> if you install a server, and your clients can boot from the network, nothing gets erased on the client machines
[03:26] <mhz> Didius: edubuntu = LTSP environment + edu-apps (over 60 edu apps) + standard office apps (word processor, spreadsheet, image manipulation, presentations, audio and video, web browsers, etc)
[03:27] <Didius> I have to teach kids simple programming language (turbo pascal), and the office suite. The office suite must be MS office (that is prescripted by the governement). However to show the student that there exist something different I would like to teach them a bit edubuntu. Which will not take a lot of lessons (just some spare hours). I was actually wondering if I should install edubuntu dual boot..
[03:27] <Didius> The thing jsgotangco says sounds pretty neat.
[03:27] <jsgotangco> you can dual boot but it'll eat up your HD space, but if you have bootable clients, nothing gets erased
[03:27] <mhz> Didius: indeed, any standard linux distro lets you work nicely via dual boot
[03:27] <jsgotangco> you just need a beefy server though
[03:28] <jsgotangco> or just make sure just a few machines get to connect to the server
[03:28] <Didius> hmm. I'll have to discuss that with the head, but I'm definatlty a fan. Did any of you have experience/teach edubuntu at school?
[03:29] <mhz> Didius: me
[03:29] <jsgotangco> nah i'm ashamed to admit that i hvaen't deployed a lab yet although ive been involved with edubuntu since it started
[03:29] <Didius> involved? in what part?
[03:29] <mhz> Didius: but demoing, not teaching it yet (I will in April)
[03:29] <Didius> mhz, what kind of experience?
[03:30] <Didius> mhz demoing? planning on switching to edubuntu?
[03:31] <mhz> Didius: about 15 soon-to-become-teachers used Edubuntu for a couple of days... they loved it! esp. the kinder teachers and math teachers
[03:32] <Didius> what math apps?
[03:32] <mhz> Didius: they wanted to try edubuntu so they can start showing other teacher about it in April
[03:33] <Didius> i have dr geo Kig and Kmplot.. that are the best i guess?
[03:33] <mhz> Math Games, TuxMath, Kbruch, KIG, etc
[03:33] <Didius> hm
[03:33] <mhz> Didius: for advanced math learners, xmaxima is the coolest!
[03:33] <Didius> lets see ;)
[03:33] <mhz> xmaxima is not default install but takes 5 minutes to install it
[03:34] <Didius> it is like maple?
[03:34] <mhz> Didius: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSoftwareList
[03:36] <mhz> jsgotangco: in your opinion, why would an admin user have this error: "unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()"  ?
[03:37] <Yagisan> dns and/or hosts file is b0rked
[03:37] <ogra_> nope
[03:37] <ogra_> he's trying to use sudo while being root ;)
[03:37] <Yagisan> why would you want to do that ?
[03:37] <ogra_> because you are used to it ...
[03:38] <ogra_> so if you chroot, you use it too and get this error
[03:38] <mhz> ogra_: oh, you are there! :D will you answer my questions, please ?
[03:38] <mhz> Yagisan: not me, a girl in -es ;)
[03:40] <Yagisan> ah I see - I use a small script to chroot. it uses dchroot so I never have a sudo error
[03:41] <ogra_> indeed a borked hosts file or dns is also an option :)
[03:41] <mhz> yup
[03:41] <Didius> hmm mhz xmaxima is like maple, except maple is more powerfull :p
[03:42] <mhz> Didius: maybe, but is maple GPLed?
[03:42] <Didius> nope ..
[03:42] <Yagisan> it looked like an interesting project. pity it is not opensource though
[03:43] <mhz> yeah! /me complains too
[03:44] <mhz> Didius: teaching is not only about how to use tools but also why use one tool over the others ;D
[03:45] <Didius> :D
[03:47] <mhz> having said that, If i teach math, yes, I have to teach mapple but will encourage the official use/preference for xmaxima as it is GPLed and I want my students to live in a 'let's share the knowledge world'
[03:47] <Yagisan> it was funny, I found a "team ubuntu" for folding, currently ranked 686 http://fahstats.com/tsum.php?t=45104
[03:48] <mhz> ogra_: please?
[03:48] <Didius> I'm a fan of the 'free knowledge' idea, but I don't think it works always. Biggest example is wikipedia. I have been active and have concluded it does not work
[03:49] <Yagisan> it is a shame, gentoo is @ 41. we must catch them :-P
[03:49] <mhz> Didius: well, it all depends on the objective you have. Wikipedia is just a potential reference, not an enciclopedia
[03:51] <lucasvo_> anybody has set up sftp?
[03:51] <lucasvo_> is there a server which doesn't require a systemuser for every sftp user?
[03:53] <Yagisan> sorry lucasvo_ never setup sftp. Did google help ?
[03:56] <jsgotangco> hmm sftp is just a subservers of ssh
[03:56] <jsgotangco> subservice i mean
[04:00] <Yagisan> so, how "pure" are your systems guys/girls ? All open source or do you run proprietary software as well ?
[04:01] <Yagisan> my systems run proprietary graphics drivers for those that need it for opengl to work, and I have folding@home running, otherwise open source
[04:02] <Yagisan> although, wesnoth is slow over ltsp :(
[04:03] <Didius> ltsp?
[04:03] <jsgotangco> at the moment, im pure
[04:03] <jsgotangco> although i did install gstreamer-ugly here hehe
[04:04] <jsgotangco> so i guess im not so pure after all
[04:04] <jsgotangco> Didius: linux terminal server project
[04:04] <mhz> i am pure afaik
[04:04] <jsgotangco> mhz: no mp3 playback whatsoever
[04:04] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:04] <jsgotangco> :)
[04:05] <mhz> hehehe
[04:06] <Yagisan> Didius: ltsp is the linux terminal services project. It is a core part of edubuntu, it allows you to reuse old pcs as thin clients.
[04:07] <mhz> jsgotangco: i do play ogg too:)
[04:08] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: well IIRC gstreamer-ugly has source, but they may have patent issues in the USA, Japan (and anywhere else it has been forced as part of a so called "Free Trade Agreement" with the USA)
[04:08] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: yeah
[04:08] <Yagisan> the only things I can't play back are those that need w32codecs
[04:08] <jsgotangco> i rarely have a use for such
[04:08] <jsgotangco> i have a disc player to do that
[04:09] <Didius> have to restart, bye
[04:09] <Didius> thnx for the info
[04:09] <jsgotangco> cheers
[04:09] <Didius> i will keep you guys updated
[04:10] <Yagisan> a) it's not on my servers arch, b) I don't care for 3rd rate porn in wmv or rmvb format.
[04:10] <jsgotangco> Thanks to the LTSP, packages in the K12LTSP, Skolelinux, and Edubuntu, we can provide a school or non-profit with an outstanding and easy to use desktop that is customized for education.
[04:10] <jsgotangco> http://it.sys-con.com/read/173460.htm
[04:10] <jsgotangco> Trans-pacific Open Source Conference (TPOSSCON) 2006
[04:11] <Yagisan> yep - or with a bit of effort, it makes a nice business system too :)
[04:13] <Yagisan> actually, I saw edubuntu getting promoted on /. the other day on one of my rare visits
[04:14] <mhz> well, guys nice to see ya all
[04:14] <mhz> bytes
[04:14] <Yagisan> mhz so soon ?
[04:14] <Yagisan> night then
[04:14] <mhz> Yagisan: I feel like crap
[04:15] <mhz> Yagisan: no night, it is no teven lucnh time here
[04:15] <Yagisan> mhz: I hope you feel better soon then. :(
[04:15] <mhz> thx
[04:15] <mhz> Yagisan: and try to convince ogra to answer me :D
[04:17] <Yagisan> so, jsgotangco - would you run folding@home ?
[04:17] <jsgotangco> what's that?
[04:17] <jsgotangco> like seti?
[04:19] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: similar, but the goal is different. It's to study diseases, and hopefully find a cure ( http://folding.stanford.edu/ )
[04:19] <jsgotangco> hmm ive heard of somthing like this before
[04:19] <jsgotangco> i can probably run it in one machine that never gets shut down here at home
[04:19] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: and our ubuntu team wiki is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoldingAtHome
[04:20] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I run it on all boxes, it doesn't matter if they shutdown or not
[04:20] <jsgotangco> checking
[04:20] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: it only runs on idle priority, so no strain on the box
[04:21] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I had a box finally send a unit back, so my stats are here http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=Yagisan&teamnum=45104
[04:23] <jsgotangco> is this like team bragging rights thing?
[04:24] <Yagisan> somewhat :) it's a bit of fun to see who has the most points
[04:24] <Yagisan> I joined team ubuntu, because it would be nice to see ubuntu as #1
[04:25] <Yagisan> currently ubuntu is #686, and gentoo is #41
[04:25] <Yagisan> I suggest installing using the script on the wiki myself
[04:28] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: so, is it interesting ?
[04:29] <jsgotangco> yes i'll installi it on my machines later and sign up
[04:29] <Yagisan> :) cool
[04:31] <Yagisan> hmm, it seems to have ide issues
[04:31] <Yagisan> hdc: ide_intr: huh? expected NULL handler on exit
[04:32] <Yagisan> ^^^ lots of that in my logs - and it won't read my dvd's
[09:00] <julian> Hi :)
[09:01] <julian> anybody home ? ;)
[09:02] <julian> I have a q. Is there a major diffrence between ubundu & edubundu ?
[09:03] <julian> as a desktop adult(!) user, can I install edubundu for my everyday work (I have ubundu right now) ?
[09:04] <Burgwork> edubuntu is very similar to Ubuntu
[09:04] <julian> oh thank you :)
[09:04] <Burgwork> edubuntu includes all the software that Ubuntu includes plus a bunch of educational software
[09:04] <julian> oh it's great
[09:04] <Burgwork> so if you have a child, you can install the workstation of edubuntu and both use the same machine
[09:05] <julian> thank you burgwork
[09:05] <julian> I'll do. my boy will love it. if he can work with it, I'll install ubuntu in our school lab
[09:06] <julian> tnx and bye. I'm going to insall it.
[09:06] <Burgwork> julian, np
[09:07] <julian> I'm from iran
[09:07] <Burgwork> cool
[09:07] <Burgwork> from Canada
[09:07] <julian> nice. bye and tnx again
[11:54] <shannara> I am very happy with flight4. LTSP is working great. I had to rebuild the server because running update screws up openoffice and gaim. Everything works except cups. Can anyone help with this? Does anyone know of a fix or an alternate printing management?


[01:44] <axisys> is there a way to test install/upgrade a pkg in a way to revert should there an issue? I guess installing in a VM would work somewhat.. but would not be exact work load as production system... I guess ubuntu snappy or solaris 11 bootadm offer complere OS snapshot.. but is there something like that for ubuntu server people do?
[01:49] <rbasak> axisys: a fundamental issue with that is that an upgrade might change stored state (eg. a database) in a way that a downgrade wouldn't take it exactly back.
[01:50] <rbasak> Since you're generally expected to handle your own persistent state, it's not really possible for package management to make it work automatically. Not even Snappy, since your stored state would not roll back.
[01:50] <rbasak> So disk or btrfs snapshots are really the only way to do it. A VM can help with that but isn't necessary (eg. LVM).
[01:51] <rbasak> But I don't think anyone really does that for testing. Instead relying on backups.
[01:51] <rbasak> Or reverting manually.
[01:51] <rbasak> Or testing a parallel system with a duplicate dataset or something.
[01:57] <axisys> rbasak: wonder what PCI team expecting from us
[01:57] <rbasak> No idea.
[01:57] <axisys> rbasak: asking how you make sure to revert if application breaks something.. do we have a test environment.. no likey pci
[01:58] <rbasak> Presumably you want a rollback plan anyway, PCI or not.
[01:58] <axisys> well, what would be a rollback plan, besides fixing it.. we have multiple systems.. so usually dont care much..
[01:58] <rbasak> Database backup + transaction log?
[01:59] <axisys> so we usually apply upgrade on few and then apply to rest
[01:59] <rbasak> Separate database from everything else so you can roll one back without messing with the other.
[01:59] <rbasak> Automated tests on dedicated test system.
[01:59] <rbasak> (running from a DB clone)
[02:00] <rbasak> For the database, transaction logs so you can replay
[02:00] <axisys> rbasak: yes, database being backed up
[02:01] <axisys> and have replication setup too
[02:01] <axisys> but most of our systems (ubuntu) do not have any database presence
[02:02] <axisys> present*
[02:02] <rbasak> Then make their deployments scripted.
[02:02] <rbasak> Easy to roll back then. Do it at entire machine level.
[03:06] <axisys> rbasak: we use puppet, but doing it with puppet will be lot of work
[03:06] <axisys> rbasak: we do build VMs with foreman/puppet.. but these physical boxes are not built that way
[03:07] <axisys> rbasak: so build a deployment script from scratch would be fun, unless there is tool that can do that
[07:25] <elmargol> Hi is there a decent webinterface to manage kvm on ubuntu? Something similar to http://virt-manager.org/
[07:28] <henkjan> elmargol: https://www.webvirtmgr.net/ ?
[07:29] <elmargol> henkjan, are you using this?
[07:32] <henkjan> elmargol: no, just did the googling bit for you :)
[07:33] <elmargol> well it looks fishy
[09:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[14:08] <jamespage> zul, coreycb: compute needs a blkid filter ...
[14:08] <jamespage> can't boot no instances....
[14:08]  * jamespage sighs
[14:09] <zul> jamespage:  we should go through all of them to make sure they are kosher
[14:09] <jamespage> zul, its in the baremetal filters
[14:09] <jamespage> but not compute
[14:09] <zul> jamespage:  lovely...ill propose something
[14:09] <jamespage> to late - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1424054
[14:10] <jamespage> arges is already on it
[14:11] <zul> doh
[14:11] <coreycb> thanks arges
[14:13] <jamespage> coreycb, zul: picked and uploaded to vivid
[14:14] <jamespage> blocking my zeromq testing - hrump
[14:14] <coreycb> ok thanks jamespage
[14:14] <zul> jamespage:  coolio
[14:50] <ppetraki> strikov, sup
[16:10] <YamakasY> hi guys! I have a startstop script which calls another bash script. The issue is that the called bash is running on a different PID as there is written by my startstop script... how can I match them ?
[16:10] <bekks> YamakasY: You cannot have two processes with the same PID.
[16:11] <YamakasY> bekks: not the same PID, I need to update my created one by my start-stop with the running one
[16:11] <YamakasY> so my pidfile differs from the running one
[16:12] <YamakasY> the running proces is 2 higher
[16:12] <lordievader> YamakasY: Embed your script in the upstart script?
[16:13] <YamakasY> lordievader: so place my second .sh in my start-stop ?
[16:16] <lordievader> YamakasY: The code, yes.
[16:16] <YamakasY> lordievader: okay, I thought it was dirty again :D
[16:16] <lordievader> YamakasY: Trying to get the same PID is even more strange, let alone impossible.
[16:17] <YamakasY> lordievader: yes I thought so
[16:17] <YamakasY> lordievader: but where can I do a en export for JVM in my start-stop ?
[16:17] <lordievader> What do you mean?
[16:17] <lordievader> Why do you need them to have the same PID anyways?
[16:17] <YamakasY> I need to run some export JVM_OPTS="..."
[16:18] <YamakasY> no not the same pid, just one
[16:19] <lordievader> Two processes with one pid == same pid...
[16:19] <rberg_> cant you do a "echo $$" to print the pid of the script?
[16:19] <lordievader> JVM sounds like Java, I don't know Java.
[16:20] <YamakasY> rberg_: how do you mean ?
[16:20] <YamakasY> rberg_: and place it inthe pid file ?
[16:21] <YamakasY> or start the process with that pid?
[16:21] <YamakasY> I have only one pid but the running process has 2 digits higher than in my pidfile
[16:21] <rberg_> yeah maybe you can write the second scripts pid to a pidfile
[16:21] <lordievader> I have no idea what you are trying to achieve, but it sounds very nasty.
[16:22] <rberg_> but it sounds like you should convert the script into a upstart job
[16:22] <rberg_> and not do a fork and exit type thing
[16:22] <lordievader> That would be better, indeed.
[16:23] <YamakasY> no, I call from my upstart script an shell script that first exports my Java opts and than runs my default sh script.
[16:23] <YamakasY> so the upstart p ID is lower than the running proces
[16:23] <YamakasY> so I cannot kill it
[16:24] <rberg_> so you need the 'stop' command to work?
[16:24] <YamakasY> yes
[16:25] <YamakasY> but I actually would like to have the pid ID in my pid file matched to the running process
[16:25] <YamakasY> that would be nicer
[16:25] <rberg_> since you cant change the PID of a process you will need to overwrite the pid file I would think
[16:26] <YamakasY> rberg_: yap
[16:26] <rberg_> do you know where the pid file is?
[16:26] <YamakasY> but can I ?
[16:26] <YamakasY> yes
[16:26] <rberg_> yes
[16:26] <YamakasY>  /var/run
[16:26] <lordievader> Doesn't make it nicer.
[16:27] <rberg_> in the second script try adding "echo ?? >/var/run/pidfile"
[16:27] <rberg_> replace pidfile with the real name of the file
[16:27] <YamakasY> in my second bash I actually do a exec....
[16:27] <YamakasY> ok
[16:27] <YamakasY> and ?? would be the pid ID ?
[16:27] <rberg_> yes
[16:27] <YamakasY> but the bash will handle that ?
[16:27] <rberg_> yes
[16:27] <YamakasY> ok
[16:27] <YamakasY> testing
[16:28] <YamakasY> in front of after my exec ?
[16:28] <rberg_> wait are you trying to get the pid of the second shell script of the java it calls at the end?
[16:28] <rberg_> sorry .. or the java process
[16:30] <rberg_> if you need the pid of the java process it might be as easy as "pidof java >/var/run/pidfile" after the exec
[16:31] <YamakasY> ok
[16:31] <YamakasY> the reason why is because I need to set options otherwise in my start/stop script... I don't like that
[16:32] <rberg_> the usual Debian/Ubuntu way is to source a /etc/defaults/ file
[16:34] <YamakasY> rberg_: mhh nope, pid doesn't get updated
[16:35] <YamakasY> mhh always 2 higher
[16:38] <YamakasY> rberg_: kinda odd :S
[16:44] <YamakasY> I see, it happens because of the second sh
[16:49] <RoyK> rberg_: $! is the pid of last process
[16:52] <rberg_> yeah I didnt think we wanted the pid of the last process I though we wanted the pid of the script called by the init script.
[16:59] <RoyK> rberg_: yes, that's the same thing. inside the init script, check $!, something like echo $! > /var/run/mypidfile
[21:23] <masarsakr> Hi Charmers, I have a subordinate charm that connects to a principal charm (and ofcourse its master). I was wondering if there is any way to make it so that when the subordinate charm baeaks the regular relation, it can then call the broken hook of the master charm. I tried using hooks.execute(<relationbrokenname>) to no avail
[21:23] <masarsakr> Any help would be appreciated thanks
[21:33] <jamespage> smb, another one for you - this time with 3.16 - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1425288


[00:48] <MegMan> Hello
[00:49] <MegMan> anyone try xubuntu
[00:49] <MegMan> dam is anyone awake here?
[07:28] <popey> morning
[07:39] <knightwise> morning popey
[08:47] <daubers> Morning
[08:56] <danfish> morning
[08:56] <christel> morning
[08:56] <AlanBell> morning
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:59] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:11] <BigRedS> Morning!
[09:16] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:30] <directhex> sigh, even in 12.10, unity can't keep track of openoffice windows spawned by opening a document directly (e.g. in nautilus or thunderbird)
[09:31] <diplo> Morning
[09:31] <directhex> wait, this box is still 12.04 isn't it. false alarm
[09:31] <directhex> i *know* it's fudged on 12.04
[09:35] <theopensourcerer> directhex: Ah yes, but the menu handling in LibreOffice in 12.10 is badly broken. In that they disappear :-)
[09:36] <directhex> /o\
[09:36] <popey> bug 1026426
[09:36] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1026426 in bamf (Ubuntu Precise) "LibreOffice Unity integration (launcher and switcher) is broken" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026426
[09:36] <theopensourcerer> Has rather upset my wife :-(
[09:37] <popey> its fixed in -proposed
[09:37] <theopensourcerer> hoorah!
[09:40] <dwatkins> but they're already married... ;)
[09:47] <popey> wakka wakka wakk
[09:47] <popey> +a
[09:47] <dwatkins> hehe
[09:47] <dwatkins> that reminds me, I was going to watch Being Elmo last week, great documentary that
[09:47]  * theopensourcerer wonders if popey is walking like a saddle sore cowboy.
[09:48] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:48]  * mungojerry has been bingeing (binging) on oolite over the weekend
[09:49] <dwatkins> mungojerry: I was trying to get Arch Elite running on my Pi yesterday, happy days... when it worked, anyway
[09:49] <mungojerry> the best of the breed (before oolite) IMO
[09:49] <czajkowski> popey: every time you go wakka wakka this goes on in my noggin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntn1-SocNiY
[09:50] <dwatkins> mungojerry: yeah, I really wanted to play it, but the zip file on the site linked from hackaday seems mangled :'(
[09:50] <mungojerry> always a happy chappy when i get 19kg of gemstones from shooting up a bad guy
[09:50] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P6ds11QzWA
[09:50] <mungojerry> i seem to get a bit more scoopage when playing oolite
[09:50] <popey> czajkowski, thats the intention
[09:51] <mungojerry> older versions were mory stingey
[09:51] <czajkowski> popey: :)
[09:51] <dwatkins> I always found it a little disturbing that you could scoop up someone's escape pod and sell it as 'slaves'
[09:55] <mungojerry> dwatkins, in oolite you scoop an escape pod and get paid insurance
[09:55] <mungojerry> :D
[09:55] <mungojerry> i got €250 for some rich guy the other day. sometimes its just €25 though
[09:58] <mungojerry> i was amazed the first time i loaded arc elite on my A3000 and saw vipers flying in formation
[10:00] <dwatkins> that's neat (both things)
[10:04] <popey> theopensourcerer, nope
[10:04] <popey> theopensourcerer, no pain, no discomfort really
[10:07] <popey> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-07/strategy/34971703_1_bob-mansfield-apple-software-tim-cook
[10:07] <popey> I would be amazed if Apple switched to ARM on the laptop
[10:08] <shauno> I don't think it'd be a huge surprise, but I don't think it'll be any time soon either
[10:16] <gord> they might make a more laptoppy ipad though, if they want to keep up with the neighbours
[10:16] <mgdm> I'd not be too surprised by an ARM macbook air one day
[10:17] <mgdm> but then I don't know a lot about these things
[10:19] <directhex> mgdm, the problem is software. i can see it happening a long time in the future, when osx only runs software from the mac app store, so users can't really tell the difference
[10:23] <mgdm> well, the impression I had was that it was heading in that direction anyway
[10:32] <gord> directhex, i thought the same thing of windows. yet here we are with the surface machines
[10:33] <directhex> gord, yep, with Windows RT only able to run Metro apps from the windows 8 app store
[10:33] <directhex> plus Explorer and Office, which run on the old win7 desktop. on a tablet. bees, bees everywhere.
[10:33] <gord> i think it can run non metro apps, but they still have to be from the windows 8 app store
[10:35] <mgdm> yeah, the UI is a bit... glued together
[10:36] <directhex> (windows rt has a whitelist of permitted desktop apps - i.e. explorer and office are the only permitted ones)
[10:36] <directhex> but the app store does unify things for metro. apple aren't at the stage of having a metro-alike right now afaik
[10:37] <directhex> the mac app store, despite the sandboxing nonsense, is too "open" for every app to be trivially recompiled, so you end up with an ARM ghetto
[10:40] <directhex> gah. i like u1ms. i do. i like the cloudiness and stuff. but seriously, 7digital take, like, eleven million years longer than amazon to post new albums up
[10:41] <mungojerry> my ARM shares have gone up 20% in the last couple of week
[10:41] <czajkowski> gord: you in london this week ?
[10:42] <gord> nope, why would i be?
[10:42] <AlanBell> *everyone* should be in London this week
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Why?
[10:43] <mungojerry> i could see apple doing arm if they had their own foundry
[10:43] <czajkowski> gord: why not it's great here :)
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: ARM isn't fast enough on the high end
[10:44] <mungojerry> but apple are likely to do things to spite other firms
[10:44] <mungojerry> they like to go alone
[10:44] <mungojerry> and 64bit chips will develop over next couple of years
[10:45] <AlanBell> ARM can be fast enough if the problem can be parallelised enough
[10:45]  * MartijnVdS will not be in London this week. Because then the fibre people couldn't install fibre in my house ;)
[10:45] <directhex> it's not that ARM isn't fast enough on the high end (which *is* true btw)
[10:45] <directhex> it's that Mac apps run on Mac
[10:45]  * mgdm will not be in London this week, just because! Hah!
[10:46] <diplo> Just saw popey in LAS :)
[10:46] <shauno> directhex: I think it'd be a whole lot less messy than you'd assume.  the groundwork is already laid from the ppc->intel transition
[10:46] <directhex> any world where mac apps don't run on mac is a failure. an arm mac would need to run every x86 mac app, and run it just as well as an x86 mac (if not better, given it'd be newer hardware)
[10:48] <popey> diplo, wat?
[10:48] <mgdm> directhex: They did do that before, though I doubt they'd want to do it again
[10:48] <directhex> shauno, that was a piece of software they licensed, which had a real-world noticable slowdown attached. the slowest mac laptop on the market is an i5 1.7ghz. which arm chip will be able to run apps for that chip as fast or faster than that chip via an emulation layer?
[10:48] <diplo> Your face popped up in LAS under Chris's steam client
[10:48] <diplo> :)
[10:48] <popey> time?
[10:48] <mgdm> directhex: Macbook Air on ARM running iOS...?
[10:48] <directhex> they got away with it with ppc->intel as the fastest ppc chip on the market was an x86 running emulation software
[10:48] <directhex> mgdm, is not a mac.
[10:48] <diplo> About 48 mins ish
[10:48] <directhex> mgdm, that's the thing. if it runs ios it's not a mac, and they poison the mac brand with a mac that can't do mac things
[10:49] <popey> 46:38 :)
[10:49] <directhex> they could give an ipad a keyboard, but that's conceptually very different
[10:49] <diplo> ah, I'm about 10mins past so was a best guess :)
[10:50] <popey> he was accepting friend requests haha
[10:53] <popey> http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_nadia_whatsnew.php  " In 2011, GNOME 2 was renamed "MATE" and MATE 1.x made it possible for GNOME users to continue to use their favorite desktop."  O RLY?
[10:55]  * mgdm finally got sick of fallback mode's various bugs and is now running Unity
[10:55] <mgdm> just in time for them to announce it's going away
[10:55] <popey> Unity 2D?
[10:56] <dwatkins> Gnome 2 is named after birth control?
[10:56] <popey> its the "GNOME 2 was renamed 'MATE'" which I "O RLY'ed" at.
[10:57]  * Dave2 is trying to figure out what he should use, Unity is pretty slow on this machine.
[10:57] <diplo> aha directhex also mentioned at 55mins :D
[10:57] <Dave2> If Unity 2D still existed I'd be happy with that.
[10:57] <popey> unity 2d still exists in 12.04
[10:57] <mgdm> popey: 3D - I found that using VGA instead of DisplayPort makes the radeon driver not drop its guts every now and again
[10:57] <dwatkins> I installed lubuntu on my netbook, it flies along nicely with xfce.
[10:57] <popey> mgdm, what's going away?
[10:57] <mgdm> popey: fallback
[10:57] <popey> ahh
[10:58] <popey> yeah, lubuntu is quite fast
[10:58] <Dave2> popey: yes, but I installed this machine with 12.10, because Unity was OK at native resolution.
[10:58] <directhex> diplo, ?
[10:58] <popey> ah
[10:58] <Dave2> now that I'm running it at 1920x1080 1024x1280, it's struggling a bit.
[10:58] <diplo> LAS, Chris is buying games reference you ticking them off on reddit ( well I'm guessing there is only one directhex :P )
[11:04] <directhex> from reddit [A] sent 2 days ago
[11:04] <directhex> ChrisLAS just sent you 2 months of reddit gold! Wasn't that nice?
[11:04] <mungojerry> what is reddit gold?
[11:04] <diplo> If I knew what it was maybe.. :P
[11:04] <diplo> Great, not just me
[11:04] <candt> Hi I am trying to troubleshoot my ubuntu 12.04 which recently stopped showing chosen wallpaper at the login screen
[11:05] <mungojerry> i don't understand what reddit karma is either (what does it do? is it just a number?)
[11:06] <popey> Dave2, intel video card?
[11:06] <mungojerry> User:  You get access to new features before they are available to the community as a whole, access to some features that the community will never have access to, and you get access to a special subreddit and a trophy.  It's also a way for you to pay for a service that you enjoy.
[11:06] <Dave2> popey: yup
[11:07] <directhex> mungojerry, karma is a completely useless and arbitrary number that MEASURES YOUR WORTH AS A HUMAN BEING
[11:07] <popey> Dave2, disable active blur?
[11:08] <popey> Dave2, install compizconfig-settings-manager, run it, go to unity plugin, experimental, switch "Dash blur" to "No Blur"
[11:10] <Dave2> popey: that may or may not have helped, I shall have to see, thanks
[11:11] <popey> it will help the dash opening
[11:12] <Dave2> It's mainly laggy in normal operation
[11:13] <Dave2> Compiz isn't eating 100% CPU any more though, which is handy
[11:13] <Dave2> I'm not sure why it was doing that, it didn't before
[11:13] <directhex> the dash slows down all the things for me on a radeon when it tries to overlay the blur on top of a flash video
[11:13] <directhex> which is a reasonable thing for me to be doing
[11:22] <gord> flash video causes a constant redraw of the blur, which is what slows it down
[11:23] <AlanBell> surely s/flash video/anything in motion
[11:23] <gord> sure
[11:39] <mungojerry> got my screensaver button installed :D
[11:39] <mungojerry> i have a big button connected via usb to lock my pc
[11:40] <shauno> the least subtle bosskey in the world?
[11:40] <mungojerry> although i might change it to a convenient random abusive message generator
[11:40] <dwatkins> mungojerry: neat, I like being able to activate the screensaver - one of my colleagues would just say "what? an off button for the monitor?" ;)
[11:41] <mungojerry> one colleague has already pressed it, and it's been installed for five minutes
[11:41] <mungojerry> it lights up green and invites people to press
[11:41] <shauno> that's why all our big red buttons have drool guards on them :/
[11:41] <dwatkins> I had an l2ping script a while ago which activated my screensaver if I walked away [with my phone], as it detected its proximity via bluetooth.
[11:41] <mungojerry> i need to re-skin my button
[11:42] <dwatkins> what kind of button is it, mungojerry?
[11:42] <mungojerry> a green one
[11:42] <dwatkins> self-made or purchased?
[11:42] <mungojerry> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bright-Ideas-Ecobutton-Global/dp/B0018MA4LE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1352720553&sr=8-3
[11:43] <mungojerry> plugged it in, and somehow magically, it runs alt-f2 "ecobutton" when pressed
[11:43] <mungojerry> don't know how
[11:43] <dwatkins> aha cool, I remember seeing one of those a while ago
[11:44] <mungojerry> so i put a script in /usr/local/bin to run xscreensaver-command -lock
[11:44] <candt> Hi I am trying to troubleshoot my ubuntu 12.04 which recently stopped showing chosen wallpaper at the login screen
[11:44] <dwatkins> it's probably in effect a keyboard, mungojerry
[11:44] <mungojerry> dwatkins, yes, but the alt-f2 magic?
[11:44] <mungojerry> i expected it to send a sleep key
[11:44]  * popey adds an item to the Ubuntu UK meeting agenda.
[11:44] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda?action=diff&rev1=139&rev2=140
[11:44] <popey> AlanBell, should it go to the list to discuss first?
[11:45] <mungojerry> candt, in older versions it was because the picture was not in the default folder
[11:45] <candt> Is this channel ok for trouble shoooting??
[11:45] <popey> candt, hi! :)
[11:45] <mungojerry> where does your desktop pic live?
[11:45] <AlanBell> o/ candt
[11:45] <popey> \o/ more Alans
[11:46] <candt> popey Hi!
[11:46] <AlanBell> popey: good topic, yeah throw it to the list as well that would be great
[11:46] <popey> candt, do you have home directory encrypted?
[11:48] <candt> I have the default bunch of pics in the default /usr/share/backgrounds, they work on th edesktop but  none appear at login, except the orange one
[11:49] <candt> popey - no encrypt
[11:50] <candt> I recently installed  the lubuntu desktop environment which takes over the boot up splash. but there was no immediate prob iirc
[11:51] <candt> Have now removed lubuntu desktop environment and *lubuntu* all removed.
[11:51] <popey> interesting, wonder if something else got left behind
[11:52] <popey> or indeed if something got replaced
[11:52] <candt> Anything I can reinstall? trying to avoid a full warm reinstall of 12.04....
[11:54] <AlanBell> candt: do you have multiple users set up with different wallpapers selected?
[11:54] <AlanBell> it should in theory fade between them as you select different people on the lightdm screen
[11:55] <AlanBell> if they are readable by, um, probably the lightdm user
[11:55] <AlanBell> which runs as root
[11:56] <AlanBell> candt: can you do ps aux |grep lightdm
[11:56] <AlanBell> root      1745  7.4  0.9<PHONE_NUMBER>6 tty7     Ss+  Nov05 744:12 /usr/bin/X :0 -core -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch -background none
[11:56] <AlanBell> should be a line like that
[11:56] <candt> no only the one user. I usually use a custom wallpaper pic, chosen via (appearance), that worked ok also shown at login screen. It stopped. I then tried the default choices of wallpaper, but  not work for login still
[11:58] <candt> AlanBell it says no command 'aux' found ...
[11:59] <AlanBell> "ps aux |grep lightdm" the ps is the command aux are arguments to it
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> and grep is another command, lightdm its argument
[12:02] <candt> Doh! I though the ps was a 'please'!! :-(
[12:02] <AlanBell> nah, I am not that polite ;)
[12:02] <candt> AlanBell, ah yes lots of stuff
[12:03] <AlanBell> can you paste the line that looks similar to the one I pasted
[12:03] <candt> root      1102  0.0  0.0  34040  3148 ?        Ssl  09:28   0:00 lightdm
[12:03] <candt> root      1143  1.8  0.6  53708 25148 tty7     Ss+  09:28   2:54 /usr/bin/X :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch -background none
[12:03] <candt> root      1579  0.0  0.1  24252  5216 ?        Sl   09:28   0:00 lightdm --session-child 12 19
[12:03] <candt> candt     3687  0.0  0.0   4396   828 pts/1    S+   12:02   0:00 grep --color=auto lightdm
[12:03] <candt> Any use?
[12:04] <AlanBell> sadly not, yours looks fine.
[12:04] <AlanBell> I was thinking it might have lacked the -background bit or might have been different in some other way
[12:04] <AlanBell> oh, actually you are missing a -core
[12:05] <candt> AlanBell , ok thanks
[12:05] <AlanBell> I have /usr/bin/X :0 -core -auth, you have /usr/bin/X :0 -auth
[12:05] <AlanBell> perhaps someone clever knows why?
[12:13] <popey> I am not clever, and I still don't know why.
[12:17] <candt> If push comes to shove I will try a warm reinstall of ubuntu 12.04, maybe a reinstall of ubuntu-desktop first?, its not urgent but is unsettling that something  has gone wrong
[12:18] <diplo> Guys, seeing the email about Proposal for discussion, I was just wondering who wrote the wordpress theme.. trying to teach myself writing one now and wondered if the code was out there as I'm doing a similar design
[12:19] <diplo> I do miss pastebin.ubuntu-uk though :)
[12:19] <AlanBell> yeah, it is out there diplo light-wordpress-theme
[12:19] <candt> I need to sign off soon, thanks I will keep in touch. bye
[12:19]  * diplo looks thanks
[12:19] <candt> bye
[12:20] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-community-webthemes/ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-wordpress-theme
[12:20] <diplo> heh just found it ta
[12:20] <theopensourcerer> diplo: You are welcome to look at mine too: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/this-theme/
[12:21] <diplo> Biggest issue I'm having with theming at the moment is the navbars and how to do it properly
[12:22] <diplo> Will take a look at both and may harass you for tips later :)
[12:22] <diplo> A charity in the building I work in want a re-make of this
[12:22] <diplo> http://www.peopleagainstpoverty.com/
[12:23] <diplo> As they are loosing their free hosting/website in March
[12:23] <theopensourcerer> Why Wordpress diplo?
[12:24] <diplo> I haven't 100% set my mind on it yet, but the guy that maintains it/going to maintain it uses it quite heavily for other things
[12:24] <diplo> I've tried Concrete5 as well, I'm open to anything thoug
[12:24] <diplo> though*
[12:25] <theopensourcerer> I like Joomla! but that is just my personal preference.
[12:25] <diplo> You got any other recommendations, I code stuff manually at the moment for the company I work for but really dont want to do that for them
[12:25] <theopensourcerer> I came across C5 once - and we migrated the site to Joomla!
[12:25] <diplo> I did try Joomla a little while ago but had some issues but can defo give it a go again
[12:26] <diplo> Easy to template theopensourcerer ?
[12:26] <czajkowski> theopensourcerer: hate joomla ! http://iedr.ie/  read half way down what happened to google.ie and yahoo.ie due to an out of date joomla install
[12:26] <theopensourcerer> I think so. Although now in version 3 with all the bootstrap stuff I am less experienced yet so can't give you an honest answer.
[12:27] <AlanBell> yeah, you don't want an out of date *anything* install that is PHP based
[12:28] <diplo> I like the ease of updating on Wordpress, I don't have to be involved to much after live is why I thought about it
[12:28] <theopensourcerer> That is not Joomla!'s fault then. That sounds like it's the web master's for not keeping the thing up-to-date!
[12:28] <czajkowski> love wordpress
[12:28] <popey> dual screen issue, can any of you reproduce..? open chromium, have two windows, maximise on both screens. click into the window on one screen, then click into the window on the other screen, then move the mouse to the panel. The panel flickers to show the desktop background (the top line of it) and then back to the normal panel content.
[12:29] <theopensourcerer> J3 also now does auto-updating in a much nicer way.
[12:29] <diplo> popey: Love to test but chromium wouldn't maximise on my secondary screen this morning, always maxed to primary
[12:29] <diplo> OK theopensourcerer, will try it tonight!
[12:29] <diplo> :)
[12:29] <popey> diplo, make the window smaller and it will
[12:29] <popey> known bug
[12:30] <diplo> ah
[12:30] <popey> it needs to fit inside the smaller screen
[12:30] <diplo> ok, two secs then
[12:30] <theopensourcerer> diplo: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Joomla,%20Drupal,%20Concrete%205
[12:31] <diplo> Can't seem to recreate here popey
[12:31] <theopensourcerer> You can;t do Wordpress in here because of the oodles of millions of sites on Worpress.com
[12:32] <theopensourcerer> s\in here\ I mean on Google Trends.
[12:32] <diplo> OK, I'm sold.. will take a look tonight
[12:37] <diplo> Watching a how to joomla
[12:37] <diplo> on+
[12:38] <Dave2> popey: xorg still seems to like eating all of the cPU :(
[12:46] <christel> i have a dead person outside my house
[12:46] <christel> i should have realised that this was a possibility when moving into an old presbytery next to a church
[12:46] <christel> but i was incredibly surprised to open my frontdoor to stare straight into a hearse earlier
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> christel: "I see dead people" ?
[12:48] <gord> the other week i was at some crossing lights and as i pressed the button to cross i saw a hearse coming down the road. all i could do was cross my fingers and hope it wasn't the first one waiting once the lights changed
[12:49] <shauno> and we wonder why /r/britishproblems exists
[12:49] <christel> haha
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> shauno: /r/firstworldanarchists !
[12:51] <dwatkins> should hearses have infra-red transmitters to make lights turn for them like ambulances or police cars...?
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> Why would they? The dead guy won't mind waiting..
[12:53] <christel> (i am confused as to why the dead guy is still in the hearse, i thought the coffin was brought inside the church for the service?)
[12:53] <christel> (maybe he/she is very heavy)
[12:53] <shauno> perhaps he's early?
[12:53] <dwatkins> or late...
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> shauno: maybe they ran some red lights?
[12:54] <dwatkins> I'll get my coat.
[12:55] <shauno> one of those awkward moments where no matter how geeky you are, you're simply not allowed to go ask them what the system is
[12:56] <christel> oh perhaps, ppeople seem to still be arriving
[12:56] <theopensourcerer> Time to go. ttfn
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> christel: almost as if the hearse was in front of the procession..
[12:57] <christel> yeah but they've been arriving for like an hour!
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> maybe he had a lot of friends.. or enemies.. or creditors..
[12:58] <popey> anyone know someone who lives in winchester and fancies going on Come Dine With Me? :) https://www.facebook.com/comedinewithme/posts/10151258986604204
[12:58] <christel> good point good point
[12:58] <christel> popey: ooh i know people in winchester, i dunno if they fancy come dine with me
[12:58] <christel> (but my friend joel (another freenode user) is on CDWM this week)
[13:00] <Daviey> i am too near there. :o
[13:00] <christel> have you moved? in my mind you're in devon!
[13:01] <christel> (tho i might very well have made that up!) :D
[13:01] <Daviey> christel: I was, but moved to nr Winchester this year.
[13:02] <Daviey> christel: sheep can only please you for so long.
[13:02] <christel> there is that!
[13:02] <christel> we should beer now that you've moved somewhere sensible!
[13:02] <Daviey> christel: where are you now?
[13:04] <christel> i'm just outside farnham (so close to all the alans) :)
[13:04] <christel> "close"
[13:04] <Dave2> HOME OF THE HARD DISKS
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> christel: http://www.flayrah.com/4432/stalking-cat-confirmed-dead-54 ?
[13:04] <Dave2> Winchester, that is
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> Dave2: or the rifles?
[13:04] <christel> MartijnVdS: oh my!
[13:05] <christel> he looks... different
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> Dave2: . Project head Kenneth Haughton named it after the Winchester 30-30 rifle because it was planned to have two 30 MB spindles; however, the actual product shipped with two spindles for data modules of either 35 MB or 70 MB.\
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> christel: he wanted to turn himself into a cat.. or something
[13:05] <Dave2> Could you have one that was 35MB and one that was 70MB
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> Dave2: I have no idea
[13:06] <christel> MartijnVdS: meow.
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> Dave2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQWcIkoqXwg
[13:08] <Dave2> MartijnVdS: oh wow, YouTube is entirely unwatchable with Unity on this
[13:12] <czajkowski> someone should really show gareth france how to quote when he's replying on mails
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> Dave2: on what?
[13:12] <Dave2> MartijnVdS: my "new" work laptop
[13:32] <shauno> 6 years living in Ireland and I still trip over the language barrier.  half way through the boss saying something about his "little fella", I realised he was talking about his son, rather than an impending cringeworthy punchline
[13:36] <dwatkins> I won't cite the Batman comic I saw the other day, suffice to say words also change over time to mean less innocent things.
[13:37] <Daviey> dwatkins: A word that used to mean mistake, but now means something vulgar ?
[13:38] <dwatkins> yeah, Daviey 'Boner' apparently used to mean this.
[13:38] <Daviey> I have accidental used it in context myself.
[13:38] <dwatkins> What a ... ;)
[13:50] <czajkowski> shauno: hah! never thought of it any other way than it meaning a kid
[13:52] <AlanBell> heh, now you just have to grep your memory for all previous conversations containing that phrase to check you had the correct interpretation :)
[13:54] <shauno> usually it'd be a bit more obvious.  but it made a conversation about inherited baldness, rather awkward
[13:56] <czajkowski> lol
[13:57] <czajkowski> little fella and wee one for the girl usually
[14:18] <mungojerry> suffer from this crash every day 938379 but it's not fixed in 12.04, how come?
[14:18] <mungojerry> #938379
[14:19] <mungojerry> the bot is sleeping? bug 938379
[14:19] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 938379 in openbox (Ubuntu) "openbox crashed with SIGABRT after closing context menu" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/938379
[14:24] <mungojerry> errors.ubuntu doesn't tell me how many crash per day
[14:26] <popey> mungojerry, nobody has backported it
[14:40] <ali1234> popey can you see private bugs?
[14:40] <popey> yes
[14:41] <popey> i see dead people
[14:42] <ali1234> popey: is https://launchpad.net/bugs/1034163 the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/1076830 ?
[14:42] <lubotu3`> Error: launchpad bug 1034163 not found
[14:42] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1076830 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) "panel crashes if you add, remove, then add the same applet" [Undecided,New]
[14:43] <popey> descriptions doesnt match
[14:43] <popey> person switched theme
[14:44] <popey> made that bug public, there's nothing secret on it
[14:45] <Daviey> popey: there isn't, now i removed the stacktrace :)
[14:46] <popey> :p
[14:47] <ali1234> k. i ask because my bug sends a report to errors every time, but there's only one bug with a significant number of reports for gnome panel, and it's the private one
[14:48] <ali1234> so either nobody else at all hit my bug or daisy isn't identifying that the crashes are all the same bug
[14:48] <ali1234> also it looks like my machine only uploaded a crash dump once even though i've reproduced the problem several times
[14:49] <ali1234> and it asked me whether to send each time of course
[15:08] <mungojerry> popey, looks like I have to compile my own then :(
[15:09] <mungojerry> does ubuntu provide an easy way to do your own backports?
[15:09] <popey> feel free to poke the people responsible
[15:10] <mungojerry> people are asking that on LP , i don't know who the maintainer is though
[15:11] <mungojerry> looks like nico golde https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/3.5.0-4
[15:13] <mungojerry> although errors.ubuntu is showing as many crashes per day on 12.04 as 12.10
[15:13] <mungojerry> maybe a different crash but not promising
[15:18] <mungojerry> might have to go back to cinnamon :-\
[15:19] <popey> where is the openbox crash on errors.ubuntu.com?
[15:20] <mungojerry> showing error reports from "all" users of "openbox"
[15:20] <popey> which is the crash?
[15:21] <mungojerry> bug 938379 in <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:21] <popey> oh, its filtered now, there's _one_?
[15:21] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 938379 in openbox (Ubuntu) "openbox crashed with SIGABRT after closing context menu" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/938379
[15:21] <mungojerry> one result?
[15:21] <popey> one per day
[15:21] <popey> well, only one result
[15:23] <mungojerry> i think i'm using it wrong: http://ubuntuone.com/545SiZ2XXlckH7Q0pjy4FN
[15:23] <popey> http://ubuntuone.com/3xFcWumeq0vWJ1ZaaHQmdx
[15:24] <popey> how odd
[15:24] <popey> ahh, i had past day
[15:24] <mungojerry> the axis does not show values though
[15:25] <mungojerry> but implies that the blue line (12.10) has as many crashes as 12.04
[15:25] <mungojerry> and i expect 12.04 has more users still?
[15:25] <mungojerry> or at least a similar amount
[15:26] <popey> well if you only show one release its easier to see
[15:26] <popey> yes, I'd expect more users on 12.04 than 12.10
[15:26] <popey> however its not as simple as that, 12.04 has unity 2d, 12.10 doesn't
[15:26] <mungojerry> so, in effect, 12.10 versino is more crashy
[15:27] <mungojerry> even if the specifc bug is fxied
[15:28] <SuperMatt> while it may be more crashy, it's not noticably crashy, most of the time
[15:28] <popey> you're probably best bringing this up in #lubuntu with https://launchpad.net/~gilir
[15:28] <SuperMatt> I tend to get a message saying something has crashed and I got go "oh? it has? didn't even notice"
[15:28] <mungojerry> thanks
[15:28] <mungojerry> i like the errors faiciility
[15:29] <mungojerry> they could use it to crash an app to find out how many active ubuntu users in the world :P
[15:30] <popey> the bug is misfiled
[15:30] <popey> its not assigned to gtk+
[15:31] <popey> given the upstream bug
[15:32] <ali1234> the graph is weird anwyay
[15:33] <ali1234> as i understand it's supposed to show the probability that the average ubuntu machine crashes during 24 hours of use
[15:34] <ali1234> but it doesn't consider uptime so it's actually the probability of a machine crashing in a 24 hour period, regardless of whether it crashes, but only using data from machines that crashed a least once
[15:34] <mungojerry> don't we just wanna see number of crashses per day everywhere?
[15:37] <ali1234> i dunno
[15:37] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/errors/+bug/1046269
[15:37] <mungojerry> my openbox process crashes a couple of times a day anyhow
[15:37] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1046269 in Whoopsie ""Errors/day" wrongly depends on how many hours Ubuntu is used" [Undecided,New]
[15:37] <mungojerry> do you get number on your axes?
[15:38] <popey> no
[15:43] <bootlkjkgf> Mini-SausageRolls !
[15:47] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure that whoopsie only reports each crash once regardless of how many times it shows that dialog
[15:48] <SuperMatt> I figured it would do it all the time to get an idea of how many times a particular app crashes
[15:48] <SuperMatt> what happens with whoopsie crashes?
[15:49] <popey> once per machine per crash isn't it?
[15:49] <popey> it updates the counter though
[15:49] <SuperMatt> ah, fair enough
[15:49] <popey> so it knows if one person has had 100 crashes vs 100 machines with 1 crash
[15:49] <SuperMatt> wicked
[15:50] <popey> and means it does have 100 identical crashes from the same machine to process
[15:56] <bootlkjkgf> That sinkin' feelin' when you knew you 'should-have-egg'd-it'
[15:57]  * popey wonders if bootlkjkgf strives for randomness
[15:58]  * mgdm wonders if bootlkjkgf is a bot
[16:00]  * Daviey always wondered what you two wondered about.
[16:01]  * mgdm also wonders about Daviey
[16:07] <bootlkjkgf> http://shibataoffice.com/  Almost read it as SHIT-BAD hahaha Ghehe ^_^
[16:08] <SuperMatt> is it kicking tiem?
[16:13] <bootlkjkgf> SuperMatt, Yea, ya might as well http://open.spotify.com/track/31pfPf3XFaWjUPPrqd82Jg
[16:21] <diplo> Just had my first touch with Windows 8
[16:22] <diplo> Well, it seems just as bad as I had imagined...
[16:22] <diplo> So from my first experience, am I seeing you can't use MS apps like Mail without having a MS Live account ?
[16:22] <shauno> it mostly just seems like a strange practical joke to play on anyone who buys a new computer for the next few years
[16:23] <diplo> shauno: 100% agree, I understand it for a tablet, but a PC/Laptop?
[16:25] <popey> hah, same thing everyone said about Unity & GNOME Shell & OSX Mountain Lion
[16:26] <diplo> popey: But not being able to use Windows Mail without a MS account... and a few other apps
[16:26] <diplo> It's awful, where as I like unity and gnome 3
[16:27] <diplo> And mac
[16:27] <popey> like not being able to use mac features without a .me account, or ubuntu features without a U1 account .. :)
[16:27] <diplo> yeah exactly
[16:28] <shauno> the last version I tried didn't support regular mail accounts at all.  I kinda assumed they'd have imap by time they shipped though
[16:28] <diplo> I'm not forced to use u1, this is a business laptop, they don't want to sign up to an MS account to use it ( then again they should also spend money on outlook or use thunderbird )
[16:29] <mgdm> what's that about needing an MS accout for mail?
[16:29] <mgdm> I set it up to use my IMAP server... (it doesn't work, right enough)
[16:31] <diplo> To be able to add accounts you first need to set up an MS account, just think it sucks basically.
[16:31] <popey> bet you can work around it
[16:32] <popey> corporates wont want that
[16:32] <diplo> Expect so, this is for someone in the offices where I work
[16:32] <diplo> I didn't want to spend too much time on it, but googled it and it seems it's correct
[16:33] <diplo> But.. I guess they could have ordered home premium or something maybe ( didn't check or know how to )
[16:33] <diplo> Well at least it's the nail in the coffin for windows for me once 7 is eol
[16:34] <diplo> Just need to replace current laptop so it can run *nix of some variety properly and we're good to go
[17:02] <kvarley> popey: Where did you get your Ubuntu sticker you have on your laptop lid?
[17:04] <popey> kvarley, the big round one?
[17:05] <popey> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=718
[17:06] <kvarley> popey: I didn't realise that they were that big :)
[17:06] <popey> heh
[20:10] <AlanBell> czajkowski: where did you get to on the hack and talk thingie?
[20:12] <popey> ooh! good question!
[20:18] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I visited the firebox place and it was really quite nice
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> http://gizmodo.com/5959812/john-mcafee-wanted-for-murder
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> the next Reiser
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> ?
[20:44] <mgdm> I had heard he was in trouble a while ago
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> yeah but now he's really "wanted"
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: Did you know this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Katz
[20:46] <czajkowski> AlanBell: popey not done anything on it tbh
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: "mr pkzip"
[20:46] <czajkowski> was in ireland and then uds
[20:46] <czajkowski> hope to this week
[20:46] <czajkowski> popey: see pm please :)
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: you were in Ireland before UDS? I was in Ireland before UDS!
[20:47] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: I have a vague memory of it
[20:50] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: I was there for 3 weeks
[20:51] <czajkowski> why didn't you say! was there for most of October!
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: I forgot! I was in Dublin from 26-29 October
[20:52] <czajkowski> bah
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks
[21:03] <czajkowski> I used to work close to here http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/8136310934/in/photostream
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: "somewhere in the middle of the city"? :)
[21:08] <czajkowski> hmm smithfield would be the easiest landmark
[21:08] <czajkowski> jameson distilary
[21:08] <czajkowski> acros the bridge from Guiness store
[21:08] <czajkowski> *across
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: this photo was taken from O'Connell bridge
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> didn't have time for the Jameson distillery, did go to the Guinness storehouse though :)
[21:24] <Azelphur> I'm thinking of buying my nexus 4 + nexus 10 from USA
[21:25] <Azelphur> there's a price difference of £127, ridiculous
[21:26] <ali1234> really?
[21:26] <brobostigon> £239 for the nexus4. not bad really.
[21:27] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea
[21:27] <ali1234> so it costs more than twice as much to buy it in the UK?
[21:27] <ali1234> oh. i don't acre about the nexus 10
[21:28] <ali1234> how much is nexus 4 in US?
[21:28] <Azelphur> Nexus 10: £319 / $499, Nexus 4 £279 / $349
[21:28] <brobostigon> Azelphur: so you can buy the nexus4 unlocked etc, for £112 ?
[21:28] <ali1234> so nexus 4 is the same price, basically
[21:29] <Azelphur> ali1234: no?
[21:29] <Azelphur> 349 usd in gbp is £219
[21:29] <ali1234> and in the UK it costs £239
[21:29] <Azelphur> ali1234: that's the 8GB, talking about the 16 here
[21:29] <Azelphur> for the 8 it's $299 / £239
[21:30] <Azelphur> and 299 usd == £188.28
[21:30] <ali1234> not bad
[21:31] <popey> US price is without taxes
[21:31] <popey> so add VAT to the UK price and it's more comparable
[21:32] <ali1234> you mean subtract
[21:32] <Azelphur> so with the nexus 4 costing $349 and the 10 costing $499, comes to £534 UK vs the £598 we'd get paid
[21:32] <popey> yes :)
[21:32] <Azelphur> yea, stupid VAT :p
[21:32] <popey> I meant "convert to GBP and add VAT"
[21:32] <popey> but typed something else
[21:32] <ali1234> well 20% VAT still isn't going to make up the £90 difference
[21:32] <ali1234> een if you add on shipping charges and exchange rate fees
[21:33] <Azelphur> ali1234: sure it is, 20% of £534 is £106.80
[21:33] <ali1234> £50
[21:34] <ali1234> 239-188 = 50
[21:34] <Azelphur> ah
[21:34] <ali1234> 188*0.2 = 36
[21:34] <ali1234> well, 37.6
[21:34] <Azelphur> I see
[21:34] <ali1234> then 12.50 for shipping
[21:34] <ali1234> seems about right really
[21:34] <ali1234> if you don't wanna pay vat just set up a company and claim it back
[21:37] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:37] <Azelphur> yea, I really need to find someone nearby me with a company so I can mooch off them
[23:35] <Azelphur> Just in case anyone wants a Galaxy S3, http://bit.ly/Q9ezQo I'll do a considerable discount on the buy it now price for ubuntu-uk folks :p


[00:00] <drab> damnit, sweer.com is taken... cybersquatters :/
[00:01] <drab> maybe an ubuntu codename for the future :)
[00:03] <sarnold> sweering sweerkat?
[00:03]  * nacc ponders how far into the future we have to be for version sw sw
[00:03] <nacc> I guess it all depends on what 18.04 ends up being
[00:03] <nacc> ab or bb ? :)
[00:05] <drab> nacc: you just need to shorten the release cycle to weekly :P
[00:05] <nacc> heh
[00:42] <drab> diff question, any tools/processes somebody here is familiar with to migrate openldap?
[00:43] <drab> back in the days it was a pretty simple dump with slapcat and stuff, but it seems things got more complicated now
[04:20] <android> can you get me out of here
[04:20] <android> hellooooooooooooo
[04:24] <android> how to remove virtex shader?
[04:28] <android> hello YankDownUnder
[04:32] <YankDownUnder> android, Chur? Chur.
[04:43] <android> YankDownUnder what are you doing tonight? Do you have a telephone number?
[04:44] <YankDownUnder> If I was healthy, I'd get out somewhere - however, that is not the case, and I shall nurse my health :)
[04:45] <android> with what mold and dust?
[04:46] <YankDownUnder> Mold, dust, cancer, cobwebs...the usual :)
[04:46] <android> have a cigarette to dull the nose from the smell of mold
[04:47] <android> do you have a telephone number, sounds like you can use some coaching
[04:48] <YankDownUnder> android, Yeah - smokes and incense kill the mould...I'm slightly radioactive at the moment... (not a joke)
[04:55] <android> the machine take your soul?
[04:56] <YankDownUnder> android, hehehehehehehe yeah...linux treats me vastly better than chemo does...way way way better...
[04:57] <android> chemo?
[04:58] <YankDownUnder> android, "Chemo" - short for "chemotherapy" - where they give a person an I.V. full of sucrose and radioactive iodine to kill off cancer cells in the body...
[04:59] <android> misnomer isn't it?
[05:00] <android> I wrote a line about your cells phasing, it deapeared
[05:01] <YankDownUnder> android, Hehehehehe...yeah, I'll make sure to tell them that next week on the next injection :)
[05:13] <android> where are you at?
[05:14] <android> if your body was hashed with accuracy the supposed cancer can be wiped out quickly
[05:18] <android> nearly a snap of the fingers
[05:21] <android> is there anything you want me to do for you yankdownunder?
[05:23] <YankDownUnder> android, Prayers ALWAYS help - but the best thing you could do is to donate some money to whatever cancer fund you see. Doesn't matter. Cancer is cancer. Donations help, bigtime. For patients, for families, for nurses...
[05:25] <android> do you accept paypal?
[05:27] <YankDownUnder> android, Check out: lymphoma.org.au => they accept donations. That's the type of cancer I have. Specifically, it's called "Hodgkin's Lymphoma" - very "elite" name for cancer, eh? :)
[05:30] <android> wnhy do you call it 'elite'?
[05:31] <YankDownUnder> android, Cuz most other cancers have very plain generic names, scientific names...so mine has a UNIQUE name! Not that it makes it any better, but you have to have a sense of humour about it...or at least I do...certainly don't want to walk around being all morbid and down and depressed...like a mortician on downers :)
[05:35] <android> I'd rather donate directly to your fund.
[05:43] <android> yank
[05:44] <android> Do you care if I push you off into deep thought?
[05:44] <YankDownUnder> android, Sorry - fixing a VM at the moment - have to get this client up and running - back in a while
[05:46] <notdaniel> YankDownUnder, best of luck. you seem to be on the right path so far. in my experience it's those who can handle the pressure and stay positive and keep joking that tend to win these battles
[05:48] <YankDownUnder> notdaniel, Thanks, bro...that's what all my docs/nurses say. I make the other patients smile, too. Especially the kids. I'm still waiting for my tour of the morgue...they keep denying me that... :)
[05:54] <android> YankDownUnder
[05:54] <android> why did you disconnect?
[05:55] <YankDownUnder> android, Me? Disconnect? Not that I"m aware of. I"m balancing between four different machines and two remote VM's...haven't noticed any disconnects...
[06:07] <android> YankDownUnder did you part and rejoin?
[06:08] <YankDownUnder> android, Not sure, and since it's not in the way of my work, don't care.
[06:08] <android> YankDownUnder your account disconnected and soon after my phone reboot
[20:10] <drab> it turns out that just copying /etc/ldap and /var/lib/
[20:11] <drab> and the relevant certs for tls was enough to migrate everything
[20:11] <drab> (domain hadn't changed)
[20:11] <drab> to close the loop with yesterday's question
[22:40] <android> pangs pre dysonsphere
[22:41] <android> the equilibrium
[22:41] <android> he didn't want to accept donation
[22:42] <android> where can you be positioned
[23:18] <gunix> android how can i run android apps on arch linux ? stuff like skype for business preferably :D
[23:20] <hehehe> use emulator


[19:00] <bdrung> hello
[19:09] <bdrung> we extract the xpi file with xpi-unpack (from mozilla-devscripts)
[19:09] <bdrung> xpi-unpack libnotify-mozilla-0.1.4-beta.xpi libnotify-mozilla
[19:10] <bdrung> now we create the orig source tarball:
[19:10] <bdrung> tar -acf libnotify-mozilla_0.1.4.orig.tar.gz libnotify-mozilla
[19:11] <bdrung> now we switch into the libnotify-mozilla directory and create a debian directory in there
[19:11] <bdrung> now we create a changelog file
[19:11] <bdrung> dch --create --package libnotify-mozilla --newversion 0.1.4-0ubuntu1 "Initial release."
[19:12] <bdrung> we create a compat file: echo 7 > debian/compat
[19:14] <bdrung> in the realworld we have to write a debian/copyright file. for this example we just create a empty file
[19:14] <bdrung> can you follow me?
[19:15] <bdrung> now we come to the interesting part
[19:16] <bdrung> we create a debian/control file with this content: http://paste.ubuntu.com/420579/
[19:17] <bdrung> the explanation to this file:
[19:17] <bdrung> the binary package name is created by stripping mozilla from the source name and to prepend xul-ext-
[19:18] <bdrung> which version of mozilla-devscripts you need is described in http://wiki.debian.org/mozilla-devscripts
[19:18] <bdrung> ${xpi:Recommends}, ${xpi:Provides}, ${xpi:Enhances} is generated by dh_xul-ext
[19:18] <bdrung> question to this file?
[19:23] <bdrung> now we create debian/rules: one target called % with this command "dh --with xul-ext --buildsystem=xul_ext $@"
[19:23] <bdrung> it look like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/420586/
[19:25] <bdrung> what does this rule do?
[19:26] <bdrung> --with xul-ext is responsible to call dh_xul-ext after installation
[19:27] <bdrung> --buildsystem=xul_ext creates the xpi file and installs this xpi file
[19:27] <bdrung> on build "xpi-pack . xul-ext-libnotify.xpi" will be called
[19:27] <bdrung> on install "install-xpi xul-ext-libnotify.xpi"  will be called
[19:28] <bdrung> on clean "rm -f xul-ext-libnotify.xpi" will be called
[19:29] <bdrung> now we build the package with debuild
[19:30] <bdrung> questions?
[19:34] <bdrung> no questions?
[19:36] <bdrung> you can find more examples on http://wiki.debian.org/mozilla-devscripts
[19:38] <bdrung> and in the man pages from xpi-pack, xpi-unpack, xpi-repack, dh_xul-ext, install-xpi
[19:40] <bdrung> if you will have questions later, you can find me on various ubuntu channel, for example #ubuntu-mozillateam
[19:41] <bdrung> thanks for listening
[19:50] <ClassBot> There are are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[19:55] <ClassBot> There are are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.


[07:21] <ejohnson_> i am getting this error pn my mythbuntu server when I try to connect my xbmc client "Client speaks protocol version 8 but we speak 72"
[07:23] <ejohnson_> mythtv version is 0.25 [v0.25.3-25-g18c793a]
[07:23] <ejohnson_> any ideas on how to fix this?
[15:29] <wangel> Where in X does Mythbuntu auto-start the MythFrontend?


[04:58]  * shuduo is away: auto-away
[05:05]  * shuduo is back (gone 00:07:21)
[05:38]  * shuduo is away: auto-away
[05:56]  * shuduo is back (gone 00:17:53)
[05:58] <RAOF> !away > shuduo
[05:58] <ubot2> shuduo, please see my private message
[07:43] <ppisati> moin
[08:55]  * apw yawns widly
[08:55] <smb> morning
[08:55] <apw> morning
[12:50] <ppisati> herton: when you are awake, can you tell me if shank bot changes that yopu mentiond in the email are already effective? IOW, shall i fiddle with "upload to ppa" or "prepare pkg" for the already opened tracking bugs?
[13:00] <herton> ppisati, just change upload-to-ppa, bot should be running with the changes now
[13:45] <apw> herton, oh i have to change upload-to-ppa still
[13:49]  * henrix -> late lunch
[13:50] <herton> apw, yep, but it's not a big issue, the bot just ignores it for now and will move tasks forward independent of it
[13:51] <rtg_> apw, so I saw in a recent status that you decided the parallel boot patches were no longer helping, right ?
[13:52] <apw> rtg_, that is possibly unfair, i think they are contributing a very small proportion compared to what they did in precise
[13:52] <apw> rtg_, but of the order of a low enough amount as they are it may not really be worth the risk
[13:52] <rtg_> apw, do you think they are worth the effort anymore then?
[13:52] <apw> rtg_, i intend to get back to that and confirm, and make a proposal, probabally early next week
[13:52] <rtg_> I'd vote no unless they make a substantial difference
[13:52] <apw> rtg_, they may not be really, but for very time critical platform they might
[13:53] <rtg_> do we have one of those ?
[13:53] <apw> we may, not sure
[13:53] <rtg_> hmm
[13:53] <rtg_> back in a sec
[13:53] <apw> rtg_, they have become ineffective because people have (correctly) added a lot of modprobes in drivers
[13:54] <apw> rtg_, and we have to sync the initramfs immediatly in that case, which essentially undoes most of the potential savings
[13:55] <apw> rtg_, my investigation was about whether some of those are essentially async and could thus avoid holding up the mainline
[13:55] <apw> rtg_, as in many cases they are 'we might need this sometime, probe it just in case' style modprobes
[14:40]  * rtg_ -> eye doc appt
[15:06] <ppisati> brb
[15:35]  * ogasawara back in 20
[17:03]  * apw calls it a day
[17:08]  * smb decides thats a good idea
[17:12] <kamal> rtg_: so...   CONFIG_ALX *did* break the quantal build, eh?:   UBUNTU: [Config] CONFIG_ALX=m for x86 only
[17:12] <rtg_> kamal, yep, but we don't expect you to airlift beer to us.
[17:12]  * ppisati -> goes for some pain
[17:12] <ppisati> IOW -> EOW
[17:12] <kamal> rtg_: ok but how come the same "for x86 only" fix applied to raring too?
[17:13] <kamal> *sigh*
[17:13] <kamal> how come the same fix is *not* also applied to raring, I mean.
[17:13] <rtg_> kamal, it was PPC that failed. we don't build PPC for raring
[17:13] <kamal> rtg_: good answer
[17:13] <rtg_> which is why it would have been hard for you to detect
[17:13] <kamal> um... *yeah* that's the ticket!  ;-)
[17:14] <rtg_> don't sweat it. the process is working.
[17:14] <kamal> and somehow bjf didn't come after my head over this?  *sweet*!
[17:14] <rtg_> I put the stinkeye on him. I've got your back :)
[17:14] <bjf> kamal, nope, didn't reach for the shank
[17:14] <kamal> rtg_: my hero!
[17:15] <kamal> thanks bjf!  ("no regressions, guaranteeeeeed!")
[17:16] <bjf> kamal, noone cares about PPC
[17:16] <kamal> *cough*
[17:16] <rtg_> except BenC (and some other folks)
[18:07]  * henrix realises pubs are closing in < 9 hours. better run!
[18:25]  * rtg_ -> lunch
[20:02]  * ogasawara lunch
[20:38]  * rtg_ -> EOW
[23:20] <sconklin> ogasawara: ping