[12:21] (Murmex/#ubuntu-bugs) I said I already tried
[12:21] (Murmex/#ubuntu-bugs) and it's the same
[12:23] <Murmex> any idea where the fdi files are usually located?
[12:23] <Murmex> it seems the problem is located within hal
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #115523 in kdegames (main) "add dependency for khelpcenter" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115523
[12:26] <bdmurray> they are in /usr/share/hal/fdi/
[12:29] <Murmex> ok
[12:29] <Murmex> I've found the file
[12:30] <Murmex> /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/20-storage-methods.fdi
[12:30] <Murmex> fdi/policy/10osvendor/20-storage-methods.fdi in the hal package
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #115524 in bibledit (universe) "[apport]  bibledit crashed with SIGSEGV in std::string::assign()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115524
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #115525 in acpi-support (main) "no brightness control in sony vaio vgn-fe31b" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115525
[12:42] <Murmex> I'll try in a few minutes if it's enough to add the right lines to this fdi file
[12:46] <bdmurray> cool, let me know
[12:47] <Murmex> yup, I've to retrieve my freebsd hard drive from my comp and plug it to my ubuntu laptop first
[01:01] <Murmex> well, it seems it's not enough
[01:05] <Murmex> (oh, I forgot a = ^^')
[01:13] <Murmex> Yay it worked ^^
[01:13] <Murmex> Now have to make a patch
[01:14] <Murmex> err, How can I merge the .diff packages into source?
[01:16] <pochu> patch <patch.diff
[01:17] <Murmex> okay
[01:18] <Murmex> and for diff.gz also?
[01:19] <pochu> dunno
[01:20] <pochu> you can tar -xf patch.diff.gz && patch <patch.diff ;)
[01:20] <pochu> Murmex: or if that's a ubuntu package
[01:20] <Murmex> yes it is
[01:20] <pochu> with orig.tar.gz, .dsc and .diff.gz, you can use dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[01:20] <Murmex> I've just solved my first bug report
[01:21] <Murmex> So I want to make a patch for it
[01:21] <pochu> Murmex: you rock!
[01:21] <Murmex> I know 8]
[01:21] <Murmex> but I'm a total newb at patching and so on
[01:22] <pochu> we all have been anytime
[01:22] <Murmex> (well, I know that there's diff and patch, I'm on the right way :D)
[01:22] <pochu> yeah!
[01:24] <bdmurray> I think fdi data is mostly maintained upstream
[01:25] <bdmurray> So sending the patch upstream too might be a good idea
[01:26] <pochu> hi bdmurray :)
[01:26] <bdmurray> heya pochu
[01:31] <Murmex> yup, I suppose so
[01:31] <Murmex> (upstream is Gnome no?)
[01:33] <bdmurray> I think
[01:33] <Murmex> what's the command to use to make a diff file?
[01:33] <bdmurray> uh, diff
[01:33] <Murmex> diff file.orig file > file.diff ?
[01:34] <bdmurray> yeah
[01:35] <Murmex> err, with this command it's missing the introduction to specify witch file to diff
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #115526 in gnome-rdp (universe) "Gnome-RDP couldn't handle saved password for VNC connections" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115526
[01:54] <pochu> good night folks!
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #115527 in jde (multiverse) "Compile from menu fails if you don't use xemacs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115527
[01:55] <Murmex> Now I've to find how ta add the default options for ufs
[01:56] <Murmex> I've seen them in gconf
[01:57] <Murmex> But I don't know how to add them (yet)
[01:58] <Murmex> And err, now that I've submitted a patch (and it works), do I have to do anything to the bug status?
[02:01] <bdmurray> Murmex: what was the bug number again?
[02:01] <bdmurray> here is info about upstream
[02:01] <bdmurray> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal
[02:01] <Murmex> ok
[02:01] <Murmex> I've read a wiki page about BugFixing so I'm following it right now
[02:02] <Murmex> I'm looking for a developer in #ubuntu-devel
[02:02] <persia> Murmex: Are you at the "Contact a developer" part of the page?
[02:03] <Murmex> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix
[02:03] <Murmex> at the Uploading the patch
[02:03] <Murmex> and seek a developer
[02:03] <persia> Murmex: Which bug?
[02:04] <Murmex> bug 110865
[02:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110865 in hal "GNOME mounter rejects needed mount option" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110865
[02:05] <Murmex> I'll have to open a new bug for default options
[02:08] <persia> Murmex: For that package, #ubuntu-devel is your best option for immediate gain.  As bdmurray says, it may be faster to file the bug upstream (as otherwise, the developer is likely to do the same).
[02:08] <Murmex> yup, #ubuntu-devel is not really responsive reight now
[02:09] <Murmex> I'm gonna try to fill a bug upstream
[02:09] <Murmex> have to see if the patch works against the cvs version
[02:16] <Murmex> Do you think that the default mount options are part of hal too?
[02:43] <Murmex> Okay, the default options are in gnome-mount
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #115529 in firefox (main) "Unable to start firefox in a kde vnc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115529
[03:03] <Murmex> Is there still someone?
[03:04] <bdmurray> kind of
[03:04] <Murmex> Coz I wonder, as this is a Linux only problem, do I have to fill the bug upstream?
[03:04] <Murmex>  I've more or less found where to fix it, but apparently, there's not a way to make it Linux specific
[03:04] <Murmex> (its a gconf schema)
[03:05] <bdmurray> maybe mailing the hal mailing list and asking for their input?
[03:07] <bdmurray> Interesting look at our (Ubuntu's diff) there seem to be some patches pertaining to specific devices for Ubuntu or Debian
[03:08] <bdmurray> s/look/looking/
[03:08] <bdmurray> Murmex: which file were you working on?
[03:09] <Murmex> well
[03:09] <Murmex> I was talking about the gnome-mount part of the problem
[03:09] <Murmex> for the default options
[03:10] <Murmex> there's a way to make it specific to Linux with the hal part
[03:10] <bdmurray> whoops, sorry lost track
[03:10] <Murmex> anyway, I've filled a bug for it in Gnome
[03:10] <Murmex> and posting a patch
[03:10] <Murmex> It's just that I can't test it yet
[03:10] <Murmex> and Gnome is not specific to Linux ^^
[03:14] <Murmex> Well, I think I've done enough for my first bug today
[03:15] <Murmex> I'll wait for a response from hal or gnome
[03:15] <Murmex> (or ubuntu :p)
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #115530 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "[Feature Request]  Any chance to have a binary kqemu package?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115530
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #115531 in scim (main) "[apport]  scim-launcher crashed with SIGSEGV in QTextCodec::fromUnicode()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115531
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #115532 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "SoundBlaster live 5.1 mic not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115532
[03:56] <rockbasil> can anyone give me a hand with the HP pavilion tx?
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #115533 in gnome-panel (main) "spider solitare locked up at end of game, froze panel." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115533
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #115534 in xsynth-dssi (universe) "Please merge xsynth-dssi 0.9.0 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115534
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #115535 in gnome-media (main) "can not record" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115535
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #115536 in synaptic (main) "apt-cdrom add fails to mount the medium" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115536
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #115538 in dealer (universe) "Please sync dealer (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115538
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #115539 in kflickr (universe) "Please sync kflickr (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115539
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #115540 in slune (universe) "[apport]  slune crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115540
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #115541 in rhythmbox (main) "Converting ogg to mp3 for sansa" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115541
[06:04] <curiogeo> hi I am getting a segmentation fault(core dump) when I try to run dpkg --configure -a
[06:04] <Hobbsee> curiogeo: ouch.  which release?
[06:04] <curiogeo> the original cause seems to be an aptitude upgrade that did not complete properly
[06:05] <minghua> corrupted cache, perhaps
[06:05] <curiogeo> release is xubuntu 6.10
[06:05] <Hobbsee> i'd go for corrupted cache, yeah...
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #115542 in Ubuntu "some useful legacy libraries are missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115542
[06:07] <curiogeo> is this launchpad link one that can help me
[06:07] <curiogeo> how do I address a corrupted cache
[06:08] <minghua> curiogeo: that's really a #ubuntu question, but you can try google-ing "dpkg corrupt cache"
[06:09] <bdmurray> you might also check answers.launchpad.net
[06:11] <curiogeo> thanks I will try both
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #115543 in pitivi (universe) "program crashed " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115543
[06:30] <bdmurray> people at answers seem quite helpful
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #115545 in perl (main) "[apport]  perl crashed with SIGSEGV in rrd_test_error()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115545
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #115544 in gs-esp (main) "[apport]  gs-esp crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115544
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #115546 in evolution (main) "[apport]  evolution-2.10 crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115546
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #115547 in kdebase (main) "[apport]  kfontinst crashed with SIGSEGV in FT_Get_PS_Font_Info()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115547
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #115548 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115548
[08:16] <micahcowan> (Yes, legitimate closes :) )
[08:20] <persia> micahcowan: Congratulations!
[08:21] <micahcowan> :)
[08:21] <micahcowan> Not likely to keep it up, though.
[08:21] <micahcowan> I've been dealing with all the untriaged bugs on packages on my watchlist, most of which were added recently (the packages, that is). Now they're all triaged!
[08:22] <micahcowan> A lot of bugs that magically got fixed between the time the bug was filed ~a year ago, and a few that turned out not to be bugs.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: haha, yay!
[08:23] <micahcowan> Yeah! Now I just have to go about looking into fixes for 'em :
[08:24] <micahcowan> Or wait for all the Needs Info ones to ferment. :D
[08:24] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:25] <micahcowan> From Hobbsee's wiki: "Went for membership January"... last year, yeah?
[08:25] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: yeah.  06
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #115549 in amule (universe) "[apport]  amule crashed with SIGSEGV in _rtld_global()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115549
[08:27] <micahcowan> (Micah moves further questions to Hobbsee over to -offtopic)
[08:27] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: you are old, and decrepit
[08:27] <Hobbsee> bah.  here's quiet, it's probably fine
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #115550 in cyrus21-imapd (universe) "Please mege cyrus21-imapd 2.1.18-5.2 from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115550
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #115551 in Ubuntu "fix entry for mirror Ftp-chg-ru" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115551
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #115552 in mono (main) "mono-jit,  crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115552
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #115553 in democracyplayer (universe) "[Merge] Merge democracyplayer <IP_ADDRESS>-1 from Debain unstable" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115553
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #115555 in evolution-data-server (main) "evolution-data-server crashes in alarm_notify_add_calendar()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115555
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #115556 in octplot (universe) "Please merge octplot 0.3.9-3 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115556
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #115557 in x10-automate (universe) "Please sync x10-automate (universe) 1.0.0-9 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115557
[10:13] <Kmos> !info KZenExplorer
[10:13] <ubotu> kzenexplorer: manage tracks and playlists on Creative Labs Nomad Jukeboxes. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.6-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 311 kB, installed size 856 kB
[10:26] <mpt> What is the shell command that will tell me which process owns the window that I click on?
[10:26] <mpt> (terminal command, I mean)
[10:27] <mpt> I thought it was xwininfo, but that command tells me everything *except* what process it is
[10:28] <mpt> Ah, it's xprop
[10:29] <mpt> (which I just found in the "See also" section of xwininfo's man page - yay man pages!)
[10:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 37487 in control-center ""Sound Preferences" sound choices (e.g. "Boing") are misnamed and ignored" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/37487
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #115562 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115562
[10:48] <mpt> Ugh, I'm suffering so many bugs
[10:48] <rulus> the copy/paste bug is _hugely_ irritating
[10:49] <mpt> What copy/paste bug is that?
[10:49] <rulus> well, if you copy something, and you close the window before you paste it, it's gone
[10:51] <persia> Didn't there used to be a gnome-clipboard-manager to address that?
[10:52] <rulus> there's Glipper, that solves most of the problem, but doesn't always work either
[10:54] <persia> rulus: What's a use case that doesn't work with glipper/klipper?
[10:54] <rulus> I don't remember one atm, but if I find one, I'll report it
[10:55] <persia> rulus: Thanks.  I'm just curious, as I've not had that issue - mine is more that X selections sometimes get confused when using focus-follows-mouse (causing copy/paste confusion), but that's a little more esoteric :)
[10:57] <rulus> ok :)
[11:12] <mpt> rulus, that's not so much a bug as an architectural flaw, afaik
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #115564 in xscreensaver (main) "[apport]  munch crashed with SIGFPE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115564
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #115565 in lighttpd (universe) "Default index.html links to Debian Bug Tracking system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115565
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #115566 in synce-kde (universe) "Raki crashes everytime I attempt to sync my Appointments and Tasks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115566
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #115567 in nullidentd (universe) "[Merge]  nullidentd 1.0-3.1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115567
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #115568 in gnats (universe) "[Merge]  gnats 4.1.0-0.2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115568
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #115569 in Ubuntu "Update to Ubunto 7.4 failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115569
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #115570 in glipper (universe) "Unable to open glipper at all" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115570
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #115572 in alsa-driver (main) "Alsa does not play DVD correctly on Neomagic soundcard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115572
[12:27] <ubotu> New bug: #115571 in cgoban (universe) "Crashes on maximize" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115571
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #115573 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "fontconfig.properties needs to be updated for Japanese" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115573
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #115574 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus crashes randomly on feisty, when opening folders." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115574
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #115575 in phpgroupware (universe) "dependecy impossible to satisfy (php4-imap)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115575
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #115576 in Ubuntu "usb headset" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115576
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #115577 in kdebase (main) "after adding windows system fonts kfonts crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115577
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #115578 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Gfreqlet" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115578
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #115580 in linux-wlan-ng (main) "Recommends linux-wlan-ng-${Source-Version}-modules which is not needed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115580
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #115579 in Ubuntu "Suspend (S3) not waking an Acer TM C110 in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115579
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #115581 in pure-ftpd (universe) "[Merge]  pure-ftpd 1.0.21-10ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115581
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #115582 in clamtk (universe) "virus scanner crashed when apparently scanning a file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115582
[01:26] <ubotu> New bug: #115583 in bootp (universe) "[sync]  Please sync bootp 2.4.3-16.1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115583
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #115585 in linux-wlan-ng (main) "Maintainer fields wrong in derived packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115585
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #115586 in phpmyadmin (universe) "[sync]  Please sync 4:2.10.1-2ubuntu1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115586
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #115587 in Ubuntu "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115587
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #115588 in kdebase (main) "[feisty]  kfontinst crashed with SIGSEGV in FT_Get_PS_Font_Info()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115588
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #115589 in inkscape (main) "inkscape pyxml missing python-xml " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115589
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #115590 in pgadmin3 (universe) "[Merge]  pgadmin3 1.4.3-2.1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115590
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #115591 in desktop-effects (main) "Menu's and applications dissappeared on desktop effects" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115591
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #115592 in Ubuntu "Update Manager won't allow updating " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115592
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #115593 in alsa-lib (main) "sometimes no sound could be played and aplay stucks at semop() syscall" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115593
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #115594 in linux-wlan-ng (main) "enable wlan_wext_write by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115594
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #115596 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "snd-aoa no longer automatically loaded on ppc g5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115596
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #115597 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Using sound causes "badness" on ppc64-smp" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115597
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #115598 in network-manager (main) "Cannot join to wifi networks with short password" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115598
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #115599 in agave (universe) "[apport]  agave crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115599
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #115600 in pidentd (universe) "[sync]  Please sync pidentd from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115600
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #115602 in thunderbird (main) "Segmentation fault when get mails from gmail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115602
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #115603 in Ubuntu "enter password for dafault keyring to unlock, why the hell should I!!!! this in not very ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115603
[03:50] <persia> pochu: About bug 105001 - is the exaile change Fix Committed in Ubuntu, or only upstream?
[03:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105001 in listen "Gnome multimedia keys does not work in listen and exail (mmkeys)" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105001
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #115607 in slune (universe) "[apport]  slune crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115607
[03:53] <pochu> persia: dunno, I don't use it ;) but let me see
[03:54] <persia> pochu: Thanks.  Based on the comments, I wasn't sure that was the right status :)
[03:54] <pochu> persia: looking at comment 4, looks like it's fixed upstream
[03:55] <pochu> but not in Ubuntu
[03:55] <persia> pochu: That's what I thought.  Should the Ubuntu task be Fix Committed for an upstream commit?
[03:55] <Kmos> persia: i don't think so
[03:57] <pochu> persia: looks wrong: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks#head-903ef78b981986f22bbccffcc1f1f235f4b88b6c
[03:58] <pochu> I've doing that too with some bugs :/
[03:58] <pochu> persia: I'll change it to confirmed
[03:58] <persia> pochu: Thanks for the confirmation.  I don't suppose you want to fix it :)
[03:59] <pochu> persia: thank you for the poke :)
[04:00] <persia> pochu: I also presume that listen should be "Confirmed", rather than "In Progress", no?  I'll fix that one (I have pending changes to the listen status).
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #115610 in Ubuntu "Alt-F2 and gksu (gksu not installed)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115610
[04:02] <pochu> persia: I changed it to "In progress" because I was modifying the patch to apply to 0.5... there has been a lot of changes in the trunk :)
[04:02] <pochu> persia: but you are right, now it can be confirmed :)
[04:04] <pochu> persia: btw, feel free to review & upload ;)
[04:05] <persia> pochu: That's off-topic for this channel :) (read your mail)
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #115611 in gcompris (main) "gcompris messes up screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115611
[04:07] <pochu> persia: cool, thanks :-)
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #115612 in foomatic-gui (universe) "foomatic-gui: Unable to read printer database." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115612
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #115614 in beryl-core (universe) "beryl crashed with SIGSEGV on logout" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115614
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #115615 in gnome-terminal (main) "probleme avec lancement de k3b sous gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115615
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #115616 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Error Messages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115616
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #115617 in cryptsetup (universe) "[gutsy]  /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions uses undefined $CRYPTCMD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115617
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #115618 in network-manager (main) "Connexion is not resumed when returning from Hibernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115618
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #115619 in Ubuntu "add or remove applications not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115619
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #115620 in Ubuntu "the header is missing from open programs & can't drag them, etc." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115620
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #115621 in kftpgrabber (universe) "Crash after cancelling opening of a file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115621
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #115623 in gnome-panel (main) "Switching desktops doesn't show panels" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115623
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #115622 in gnome-panel (main) "Switching desktops doesn't show panels" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115622
[05:11] <pochu> dup ^ :)
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #115624 in python-reportlab (main) "reportlab.graphics.barcode doesn't get installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115624
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #115625 in Ubuntu "Grammar mistakes in ubuntu switching guide" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115625
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #115626 in libapache-mod-auth-kerb (universe) "[Merge]  libapache-mod-auth-kerb 5.3-1.1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115626
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #115627 in noteedit (universe) "[apport]  noteedit crashed with SIGSEGV in NMidiTimeScale::findPathsInChunk()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115627
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #115628 in smokeping (universe) "[Merge]  smokeping 2.1.1-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115628
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #115629 in balsa (universe) "[Merge]  balsa 2.3.15-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115629
[06:09] <ranf> I'm looking at Bug #115525. Is the dmesg output enough to set to confirmed?
[06:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115525 in acpi-support "no brightness control in sony vaio vgn-fe31b" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115525
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #115630 in firefox (main) "nsBuildID.h missing from firefox-dev on gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115630
[06:13] <ranf> belongs to linux-source tho
[06:16] <ubotu> New bug: #115631 in Ubuntu "Possibility to set language from programs indepedant of time format etc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115631
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #115632 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115632
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #115633 in ubiquity (main) "No boot flag on any partition - Failure to boot after install - Intel motherboards" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115633
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #115634 in gedit-plugins (universe) "include *bib in gedit comment plug-in" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115634
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #115635 in ubiquity (main) "kubuntu Installer Crash on Step 4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115635
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #115636 in Ubuntu "[Feisty]  BUG in /drivers/hid/hcid-core.c (BlueTooth, AMD64)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115636
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #115637 in alsa-driver (main) "headphones on laptop don't mute laptop speakers on Toshiba A120-237" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115637
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #115638 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox can't download cover-art or lyrics anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115638
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #115639 in beagle (main) "flashier echo, that search is in progress" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115639
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #115640 in Ubuntu "nautilus crash in copying files from external HD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115640
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #115641 in samba (main) "[apport]  net crashed with SIGSEGV in run_rpc_command()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115641
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #115643 in xfce4-session (main) "xfce4-session produce segfault which crashs the computer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115643
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #115644 in kdebase (main) "KDE help: Search uses different language prefix" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115644
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #115645 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in vfprintf()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115645
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #115646 in Ubuntu "pcmcia card reader takes ages to mount" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115646
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #115648 in network-manager (main) "Ubuntu halts when Shared Key is selected on network configuration" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115648
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #115649 in thunderbird (main) "dpkg: warning - unable to delete old directory `/etc/mozilla-thunderbird': Directory not empty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115649
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #115647 in Ubuntu "LG GSA-H30N (SATA) reboots computer when K3B finishes writing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115647
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #115650 in Ubuntu "javascript mimetype is not correctly detected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115650
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #115651 in language-support-en (main) "package dependencies for language-support-*" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115651
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #115653 in knetworkmanager (main) "KNetworkManager doesn't handle ndiswrapper WiFi modem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115653
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #115652 in evince (main) "evince tries to open esd even if it is not installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115652
[08:23] <Ropetin> Is it acceptable for me to mark a bug as confirmed that I comment on?
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #115654 in Ubuntu "[apport]  ubiquity crashed with DebconfError in command()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115654
[08:25] <ScottK> Ropetin: If you can confirm that the bug is valid and the bug has enough information for a developer to work on it, yes.
[08:25] <pochu> Ropetin: if you really can confirm it, then it's ok
[08:26] <Ropetin> I can confirm it, because it's happening to me (and annoying the heck out of me), thanks!
[08:27] <ScottK> Ropetin: What bug?
[08:27] <Ropetin> 92117
[08:30] <ScottK> Bug #92117
[08:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92117 in acpi "/fan dir empty! (dup-of: 88815)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92117
[08:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88815 in xcb "Sluggish rendering since xorg 7.2 update" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88815
[08:30] <Ropetin> I guess I meant 88815... :)
[08:33] <ScottK> Ropetin: Actually not I don't think.  I just un-duped it as it looks to me like that's an unrelated issue.
[08:33] <Ropetin> Yeah, I was just reading it, and didn't think they were the same issue
[08:33] <ScottK> Ropetin: I take it you are having the fan problems described in 92117
[08:33] <Ropetin> Yup
[08:34] <ScottK> Then I'd suggest comment on 92117 with details about your system (particularly motherboard, chipset, and CPU. - manufacturer and model if you don't know).
[08:34] <Ropetin> Will do, but still ok to mark as confirmed, or no?
[08:37] <ScottK> Yes.  I confirmed it already based on the info that was there.  My guess is it is a dupe, just not of that bug.  I'd suggest doing some searching around to see if you can find another bug to dupe it do (likely the dupe was a typo in the number).
[08:37] <Ropetin> k
[08:37] <Ropetin> Thanks!
[08:39] <melsu> Hello I have a question: Totem and other vido players crashed after starting, and im getting Bad alloc error, Im using Intel GMA 945 chipset with intel integrated graphics controller. Can anyone help me with this problem please?
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #115656 in vlc (universe) "[apport]  vlc crashed with signal 7" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115656
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #115655 in python-fam (universe) "using PyMem_DEL() instead of PyObject_FREE() causes python 2.5 to segfault" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115655
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #115657 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes after initiating java webstart" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115657
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #115658 in emacs21 (main) "Invalid free()s in emacs at startup." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115658
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #115659 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Pidgin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115659
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #115660 in gnome-screensaver (main) "screensaver starts when actively using dillo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115660
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #115661 in language-pack-gnome-en-base (main) "Deleted items naming icon inconsistency" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115661
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #115662 in scim (main) "scim on ubuntu defaults to shared input method" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115662
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #115663 in gnome-applets (main) "gnome dict applet does not work with scim" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115663
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #115665 in kobodeluxe (universe) "segfault on an empty feisty installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115665
[10:21] <Adri2000> bdmurray: why did you add the need-i386-retrace tag to bug #112598 ? it has already been retraced
[10:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112598 in filezilla "[apport]  filezilla crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112598
[10:22] <bdmurray> Adri2000: I'm testing some stuff with mutt.  Might have tagged one too many.
[10:22] <bdmurray> Sorry about that.
[10:22] <Adri2000> heh, ok :) np
[10:32] <pochu> bdmurray: is mutt a mail client? /me doesn't know
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #115666 in inkscape (main) "add python-numpy to needed packages of inkscape" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115666
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #115667 in totem (main) "[apport]  totem crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115667
[10:46] <habeeb> Should I link https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/6402 with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106864 ?
[10:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106864 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty boot fail "can't access tty" IDE SATA problem" [High,Confirmed]
[10:49] <manchicken> can someone point me to the correct bzr brach for clue files
[11:01] <pochu> manchicken: https://code.launchpad.net/~bugsquad/bughelper-data/main
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #115672 in Ubuntu "Weather applet can't read location XML database" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115672
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #115673 in Ubuntu "Compiling Kernel modules fails or modules not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115673
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #115674 in ktorrent (main) "Ktorrent takinga  long long time to convert antip2p file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115674
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #115676 in Ubuntu "Couldn't rebuild package cache" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115676
[12:02] <ubotu> New bug: #115677 in gs-esp (main) "[apport]  gs-esp crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115677


[06:49] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro paddatrapper tumbleweed et al
[07:00] <paddatrapper> Morning Kilos
[07:24] <tumbleweed> morning Kilos
[10:16] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[10:17] <Kilos> i see chrome also does it on 16.04
[10:19] <Kilos> oops
[15:53] <inetpro> Kilos: why so quiet today?
[15:54] <Kilos> everyone else quiet and sharks playing
[15:54] <Kilos> hehe
[15:54] <Kilos> have tried to help one bd guy with 16.04 black screen crash midway in an upgrade
[15:56] <inetpro> bd guy?
[15:56] <Kilos> one of pavlushkas croud
[15:56] <inetpro> ah
[15:57] <Kilos> crowd as well
[15:57] <Kilos> everyone here is happy to just lurk
[15:57] <inetpro> of course... it's cold
[15:57] <Kilos> firefox was using 100% cpu on another 16.04
[15:58] <Kilos> opera works fine
[15:58] <Kilos> couple more complained about ff last upgrade
[15:58] <inetpro> works fine by me
[15:58] <Kilos> weird
[16:00] <inetpro> and mine even says to me, "Congrats! You’re using the latest version of Firefox."
[16:00] <Kilos> there are many links about 16.04 and browsers hitting 100% cpu
[16:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:01] <Kilos> you one of the lucky ones
[16:01]  * inetpro has been using Firefox since before beta 1
[16:02] <inetpro> you can't beat it
[16:02] <Kilos> im happy with opera
[16:03] <Kilos> does what i need
[16:05] <inetpro> it's still not open source
[16:05] <Kilos> did you check trello inetpro
[16:05] <Kilos> what more cleaning up can be done
[16:06] <inetpro> not sure, what you trying to do?
[16:06] <Kilos> dunno
[16:06] <Kilos> its in meeting agenda i think
[16:07] <inetpro> so those current activities are really current?
[16:07] <Kilos> clean up stuff we arent going to do and have done
[16:08] <Kilos> Maaz seen chesedo
[16:08] <Maaz> Kilos: chesedo was last seen 2 days, 9 hours, 19 minutes and 1 second ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-06-29 23:49:02 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-07-02 00:37:22 PDT
[16:08] <Kilos> i had forgotten about trello till he mentioned it at the meeting
[16:09] <Kilos> and remember there is still one merge to africa channel when fly is free again one day
[16:09] <Kilos> lions killing the sharks
[16:09] <Kilos> 30/0
[16:10] <inetpro> eish!
[16:32] <Kilos> 37/0
[16:32] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:45] <Kilos> 37/10
[17:11] <gremble> Good evening guys
[17:11] <gremble> The link /vmlinuz.old is a damaged link
[17:11] <gremble> Removing symbolic link vmlinuz.old
[17:11] <gremble>  you may need to re-run your boot loader[grub]
[17:11] <gremble> What does re-running my bootloader mean?
[17:14] <gremble> Nevermind. I found out
[17:15] <inetpro> gremble: it's a pointless message
[17:16] <inetpro> somebody should just fix it
[17:16] <inetpro> causes too much confusion
[17:18] <Kilos> but that means run sudo update-grub right?
[17:18] <Kilos> i got the message a week ago as well
[17:19] <Kilos> then i reinstalled guc-pc and grub-pc-bin as well i think
[17:20] <Kilos> but if it has removed that link surely it has already made a new one
[17:20] <Kilos> .old is unused isnt it inetpro ?
[17:21] <gremble> My system keeps installing linux-headers-4.20.0-41 and the other stuff, but after installation, it says that they are ready for removal with autoremovie
[17:21] <gremble> remove*
[17:21] <Kilos> those are old things
[17:21] <Kilos> you save space
[17:21] <inetpro> Kilos: the message can be safely ignored
[17:21] <Kilos> apt-get autoremove
[17:22] <Kilos> .old is unsused right inetpro ?
[17:22] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously
[17:22] <Kilos> thats why it can be safely ignored
[17:22] <inetpro> gremble: sudo apt autoremove
[17:23] <gremble> Yes. I do that. But then it just reinstalls it
[17:23] <Kilos> oh does apt do it as well
[17:23] <inetpro> on 16.04 it does
[17:23] <Kilos> oh
[17:24] <Kilos> run upgrade again gremble
[17:24] <Kilos> sudo apt upgrade
[17:25] <Kilos> removed things shouldnt reinstall
[17:35] <inetpro> gremble: what version of Ubuntu?
[17:37] <gremble> inetpro, 15.10
[17:38] <inetpro> make sure you don't miss other errors in output
[17:39] <inetpro> run this again:
[17:39] <inetpro> sudo apt-get update
[17:39] <Kilos> isnt that unsupported anymore
[17:41] <inetpro> End of life date: July 2016
[17:41] <Kilos> its july now isnt it
[17:42] <Kilos> ai!
[17:42] <gremble> Can I update it without reinstalling?
[17:43] <Kilos> you can upgrade to 16.04
[17:43] <Kilos> update manager should give the option
[17:44] <Kilos> or pro will give a command
[17:44] <Kilos> lotsa data will be used though
[17:44] <gremble> Uncapped ADSL. Not so bad. Just slow
[17:45] <Kilos> then you can upgrade
[17:45] <inetpro> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo update-manager -d
[17:45] <Kilos> hopefully you dont use and apps that are still buggy
[17:45] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[17:45] <Kilos> s/and/any
[17:45] <inetpro> start with a backup first, if you have important stuff
[17:56] <gremble> Did that, still on 15.10 :P
[18:18] <gremble> Lol it is a 2GB upgrade
[18:28] <Kilos> eish
[18:39] <inetpro> ⚠ ALERT: Intense #COLDFRONT now in #Gauteng. Strong ridging high in the mix with early forecast showing cold weather well into next week.
[18:40] <inetpro> brrrr....
[18:42] <gremble> Dammit. Have to check my trees then.
[18:42] <Kilos> um
[18:43] <Kilos> i forgot to cover the fig tress buds
[18:54] <Kilos> and inetpro
[18:55] <Kilos> what did you say this morning when i said bit cold coming
[18:55] <Kilos> its that time of the year or something
[18:56] <Kilos> maybe it was yesterday
[19:13] <Kilos> night all and sundry
[19:13] <Kilos> sleep warm


[01:21]  * micahg hopes he didn't forget to upload something...
[02:49] <holstein> micahg: we'll forgive you if you did :)
[02:49] <holstein> zequence: question
[02:49] <holstein> doesnt our irc client point to #ubuntustudio?
[03:05] <len-1304> holstein, no
[03:05] <len-1304> There is a menu item in the ubuntustudio submenu that does though
[03:06] <len-1304> holstein, The changes needed to make ubuntustudio the default in the default settings are too much
[03:09] <len-1304> xchat does not have a place we can put default settings in. That stuff is all part of the binary :P
[03:10] <holstein> i see
[03:10] <len-1304> clear as mud?
[03:11] <holstein> :)
[04:08] <len-live> From what I saw on the release channel we should be treating the daily builds as release candidates and be testing them as such
[10:15] <smartboyhw> zequence:  Archive FinalFreezed now \o/
[10:21]  * smartboyhw is proposing that we should remove the 12.10 link in this single channel
[10:41] <smartboyhw> Hey DarkEra
[10:42] <DarkEra> hi smartboyhw
[10:42] <DarkEra> i guess the rc release is postponed
[10:42] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: Not sure.
[10:43] <DarkEra> pretty sure, 18 was the release day and that was yesterday :)
[10:43] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: No worries, I will inform the whole world that it i ready for testing.
[10:43] <DarkEra> :)
[10:45] <DarkEra> by the way, i start think that xorg x server - core server update screwed it up on the 13.04
[10:45] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: Uh oh. Report bug?
[10:45] <DarkEra> not done yet
[10:46] <zequence> DarkEra: You mean about the temperature?
[10:46] <DarkEra> but, the graphics card temperature went up way high yesterday and the problem is still there. Using 12.04 at the moment
[10:47] <DarkEra> zequence, yep
[10:47] <zequence> DarkEra: Did you try blowing out the fan outtake yet?
[10:47] <DarkEra> yes i did
[10:48] <zequence> DarkEra: There is another possibility. The temp reader may be the problem
[10:48] <zequence> DarkEra: And, just anything adding to increased activity
[10:48] <DarkEra> it's not a hardware issue, i'm pretty sure. 13.04 worked great until after the updates
[10:49] <smartboyhw> zequence: I need to prepare all the announcements before Wednesday. I'm having a test on Friday so no computer for Thursday. I'll still be here to do the actual releasing, but not doing any QA.
[10:49] <DarkEra> i have two other distro's running on this machine and the fan is almost silent
[10:49] <DarkEra> when using them
[10:50] <zequence> DarkEra: Did you measure CPU temp?
[10:50] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: The RC images are held up by the language packs.
[10:50] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, ah, ok. Thanks :)
[10:50] <DarkEra> zequence, how?
[10:51] <zequence> DarkEra: install sensord
[10:52] <zequence> DarkEra: Then, do: sudo sensors-detect
[10:52] <zequence> DarkEra: And to see the temps: sensors
[10:53] <DarkEra> gonna write that down and boot into 13.04 later
[10:53] <zequence> DarkEra: It's of course possible that one will make the other warmer, since the air inside gets warmer
[10:55] <zequence> DarkEra: How was the fan outtake? I did a couple of really hard blows, and man, there was dust there I couldn't have imagined, since I didn't see it with my eyes
[10:55] <zequence> ..before I blew it
[10:55] <DarkEra> if you look at the GPU temp on 12.04 through nvidia-setting at the moment it's 58°C. By now it would have been 75 to 78°C by now. I'll check both again when on 13.04 and i was just thinking about that too that one heats up the other
[10:56] <smartboyhw> zequence: I only got high temps when I am either building software or doing QA.
[10:56] <DarkEra> zequence, i clean it from time to time so there wasn't too much dust in it :)
[10:56] <zequence> smartboyhw: In other words, whenever you put stress on the CPU?
[10:57] <smartboyhw> zequence: Yeah. And RAM.
[10:57] <zequence> RAM won't make the temp higher though
[10:58] <zequence> I mean, using more RAM, that is
[11:11] <DarkEra> bbl, checking 13.04
[11:33] <DarkEra> zequence, i check on 13.04. This is the output taken with intervals of a few seconds and within a minute: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5721291/
[11:33] <DarkEra> you clearly see the GPU temp rising
[11:35] <DarkEra> the CPU stays around the same temperature from what i can tell
[11:40] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Someone reported a bug having simliar issues as yours, but found out it was also a problem in -generic.
[11:42] <DarkEra> so it's not related to the kernel (which i found out already) or ubuntu studio.
[11:43] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, that's also on 13.04?
[11:49] <zequence> DarkEra: At this point, it's hard to say
[11:49] <zequence> DarkEra: You could try installing the same kernel on 12.04
[11:49] <DarkEra> i have a better idea
[11:50] <DarkEra> install 13.04 again and not pull in the xorg x server - core server update
[11:50] <zequence> DarkEra: It would be easier, and quicker, if you installed the kernel
[11:50] <zequence> DarkEra: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/linux-image-generic
[11:50] <zequence> Just download it, and install it manually
[11:51] <zequence> There was also a PPA for kernel backports, but I don't have it
[11:54] <zequence> DarkEra: To install proprietary drivers, or any other kind of modules, you'll need the headers http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/linux-headers-generic
[11:55] <zequence> I mean, to build modules..
[11:55] <DarkEra> i know :)
[11:56] <zequence> DarkEra: I'd appreciate it if you could install the kernel on 12.04 and see if there's a difference
[11:56] <zequence> There was a guy with the same kind of problem here before, but I think he also updated the xorg stuff, so that was not very helpful
[11:57] <zequence> on 12.04, that is
[11:57] <zequence> I mean, he had heating problems the newer the release was, and 13.04 was the worst. But, when he installed a newere kernel to 12.04, I think he also installed a newer X
[11:58] <zequence> I was trying to help him, but I was away each time he was in
[11:58] <zequence> And now, he's not responding anymore
[11:59] <DarkEra> ok, no problem. I'll do it to help out and make sure :)
[12:29] <DarkEra> zequence, sorry, can't install them
[12:31] <DarkEra> Dependency is not satisfiable: linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic
[12:32] <DarkEra> i have to go in a few so i leave the stuff as is
[12:46] <zequence> DarkEra: That's the package you should isntall
[12:46] <zequence> DarkEra: Not the meta package
[12:47] <zequence> DarkEra: Which arch is it?
[12:50] <zequence> hmm, the packages were not downloadable http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/amd64/linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic/download
[12:50] <zequence> oh, no, sorry
[12:50] <zequence> there's the mirrors below
[12:50] <zequence> That's for 64bit
[12:50] <smartboyhw_> :O
[12:51] <zequence> and this is the 32bit http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/i386/linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic/download
[12:52] <zequence> Another way is to change the apt to say "raring" instead of "precise", do sudo apt-get update, and then only install the kernel, nothing else, if already installed: sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade linux-generic
[12:52] <zequence> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:52] <zequence> Not sure if the last will work
[12:55] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Will there be an S kernel blueprint? I would like linux-lts-raring-lowlatency in 12.04.3 (if that doesn't kill you off maintenance and regression testing.
[12:58] <zequence> smartboyhw_: Why would you like to have that kernel?
[12:58] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Hardware enablement?
[12:59] <smartboyhw_> That's the reason Ubuntu has linux-lts-raring-generic
[13:00] <smartboyhw_> Or maybe add in linux-rt?
[13:01] <zequence> We should look at adding linux-rt for 14.04
[13:01] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Mmm kay;)
[13:02] <zequence> Doing a SRU for the LTS is not really a S blueprint. I'll look into that
[13:02] <DarkEra> zequence, i'm on 64bit
[13:02] <smartboyhw_> zequence: \o/
[13:02] <DarkEra> but i gotta run now. bbl :)
[13:03] <zequence> DarkEra: See you later
[13:10] <zequence> smartboyhw_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-ubuntustudio
[13:11] <zequence> Sorry, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-t-kernel
[13:11] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Whoo hoo!
[13:12]  * smartboyhw_ subscribes to blueprint.
[13:14] <zequence> smartboyhw_: I haven't at all looked at what the -rt patch consists of, but it is possible that we don't need the entire patch in order for us to get a good realtime kernel
[13:14] <zequence> It's also quite possible that we would be able to add the patch ourselves to a Ubuntu kernel, which is not supported by the -rt folks
[13:15] <zequence> So, one option is to enchance -lowlatency with a patch to make it more realtime
[13:16] <zequence> It would be best if we could sync with Ubuntu, but if we can't, and we still want to add a -rt kernel, we add the kernel that is supported then.
[13:16] <smartboyhw_> zequence: +1
[14:24]  * smartboyhw is back!
[14:45] <madeinkobaia> Hi all : )
[14:47] <madeinkobaia> I've got an idea for the social network banners.
[14:48] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Do tell us;)
[14:52] <madeinkobaia> Hi : ) What about adding a kind of sticker on the banners, with a slogan, something like "13.04 release available now !"  we could keep that version with stickers during 2 weeks, since the first day of the released date.
[14:54] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Whoa good!
[14:57] <madeinkobaia> smartboy : Thanks, well I will try a version with that slogan, but is it correct in English ? Does it sounds good ?
[14:58] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: extremely good!
[14:58] <smartboyhw> zequence: ^
[15:00] <madeinkobaia> smartboy : Have you an idea of the release date (more or less) ?
[15:01] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia… Next thursday
[15:02] <madeinkobaia> smartboy : Thanks, so I must hurry a little bit :P
[15:09] <madeinkobaia> may I add a "sign of the horns" on it ? 8-)
[15:10] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: What what?
[15:12] <madeinkobaia> smartboy : its the name of the rock'n roll sign : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns
[15:13] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: No no:P
[15:13] <madeinkobaia> smartboy : lol, I was kidding
[15:16] <madeinkobaia> smartboy :  I didn't knew that this sign have a name, I just discovered that too. I never heard something similar in french.
[15:22] <DarkEra> zequence, the following: i re-installed the daily built i had on usb stick and left out 2 updates from the Ubuntu Studio base updates. X acceleration library -- runtime and Xorg X server - core server. Guess what, nividia-settings shows me a temperature of 60 °C now
[15:23] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: xserver-xorg is really killing computers:P
[15:23] <DarkEra> the next step i will do is install the X acceleration library -- runtime update and leave out the Xorg X server -core server one to see what it does
[15:24] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, guess so :D
[15:25] <DarkEra> really, it stays at 60 °C now after 5 minutes, no increase so far
[15:25] <smartboyhw_> o_O
[15:25] <smartboyhw_> O_o
[15:26] <DarkEra> i'm glad i have this netbook to stay in touch while trying things on the laptop
[15:27] <smartboyhw_> :)
[15:27] <DarkEra> i'm going to install the runtime update now and reboot to see what happens next
[15:29] <DarkEra> rebooting and crossing my grey hair for luck
[15:30] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Good luck! ;)
[15:31] <DarkEra> X acceleration library -- runtime is updated, temperature of the GPU is 61 and dropping
[15:32] <DarkEra> so it's the Xorg X server update
[15:32] <DarkEra> that causes trouble
[15:32] <smartboyhw_> Grrr
[15:34] <DarkEra> where to report it? at ubuntu studio on Launchpad or Ubuntu
[15:35] <DarkEra> nice, still 60 °C :)
[15:36] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: The package I think.
[15:36] <smartboyhw_> ubuntu-bug <packagename>
[15:38] <DarkEra> ok, i'll look into that
[15:46] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, do i need to join ubuntu first? when clicking on report a bug i'm forwarded to the Documentation/wiki
[15:47] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra nornally you do report a bug using the method aboce
[15:48] <DarkEra> now i'm lost... lol
[15:50] <smartboyhw_> LOL
[15:51] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Are you trying to report a bug against a specific package or just the Ubuntu project itself?
[15:53] <DarkEra> well, i think the package then Xorg x server -core server
[15:53] <DarkEra> best thing to do is report it on "xorg-server" package in Ubuntu then
[15:54] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: In a terminal type "apport-bug" there should have a specific button for X.org
[15:55] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, ah yes, i see Display (X.Org). Thank you :)
[15:56] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: :)
[15:58] <smartboyhw_> madeinkobaia left:(
[15:59] <holstein> smartboyhw_: lemme look
[16:00] <smartboyhw_> holstein: OK thanks:)
[16:03] <holstein> smartboyhw_: i might be back by then
[16:03] <holstein> whats up?
[16:04] <smartboyhw_> holstein: I need somebody to change channel topics for me in #ubuntustudio, it's release day.
[16:04] <holstein> smartboyhw_: i can probably pop in and do that real quick
[16:04] <smartboyhw_> I have privileges (along with zequence) in here but not user chan
[16:04] <holstein> smartboyhw_: we used to do it several months late.. so, i think anytime that week would be an improvement
[16:05] <smartboyhw_> holstein: Thanks!
[16:05] <smartboyhw_> holstein: :O
[16:09] <holstein> smartboyhw_: im around and free that morning for sure
[16:10] <smartboyhw_> holstein: \o/
[16:15] <smartboyhw> zequence: I thought of one thing: Shouldn't<EMAIL_ADDRESS>divert emails to you now?
[16:49] <zequence> DarkEra: What exactly did you update? Do you have a list of the packages you updated?
[16:52] <DarkEra> i had a daily built but can't remenber from what date but it wasn't too old and applied all updates except Xorg x server - core server zequence
[16:53] <DarkEra> dunno if i can get a output or history of the updated packages
[16:54] <zequence> DarkEra: What do you get when you do: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-core | grep Version
[16:56] <DarkEra> Version: 2:1.13.3-0ubuntu6   Version: 2:1.13.3-0ubuntu5
[16:56] <zequence> DarkEra: So, it's the latest version
[16:57] <DarkEra> the latest version is the one that causes the trouble yes
[16:57] <zequence> DarkEra: So, how did you verify, exactly?
[16:57] <DarkEra> i didn't install it and all is working as should
[16:57] <zequence> madeinkobaia: I like the idea of the social banners. You want to use the ones you already did?
[16:58] <zequence> DarkEra: But, now you installed it and it doesn't work anymore?
[16:58] <zequence> er, wait
[16:58] <zequence> Let me check something
[16:58] <DarkEra> the temperature of the GPU is still around 60 to 63°C which is ok, when i install the update it goes up to 78°C
[16:59] <DarkEra> so, i left it out
[16:59] <zequence> DarkEra: Could you please verify by installing only xserver-xorg-core, by doing: sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade xserver-xorg-core
[17:00] <zequence> Then, you can revert back
[17:00] <zequence> if you like
[17:00] <madeinkobaia> zequence : I think so, I will just add a sticker on it (but a great one ; ) )
[17:01] <DarkEra> zequence, it's the only update i have left now. How can i revert it back afterwards when rebooted?
[17:01] <DarkEra> i'm always willing to learn :)
[17:02] <madeinkobaia> zequence : If you're agree for the slogan "13.04 release available now ! " I start work on it this w.e.
[17:03] <zequence> DarkEra: It should work with: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=2:1.13.3-0ubuntu5
[17:03] <zequence> DarkEra: Or maybe not
[17:04] <zequence> DarkEra: It didn't work on this Debian install, but it will as soon as I change repos which has older versions
[17:05] <DarkEra> zequence, ok, i'll install it to verify. If it can't be reverted i re-install 13.04 again. No big deal and should be done within 30 minutes including updating. I just want this release to rock just like you do :)
[17:06] <zequence> DarkEra: Great. Thanks!
[17:06] <DarkEra> no thanks zequence , that's why i joined in in the first place :)
[17:08] <DarkEra> switching to the netbook and then reboot the laptop
[17:58]  * DarkEra bangs his head against the wall
[17:59] <zequence> DarkEra: No temp increase?
[17:59] <zequence> I think these kind of issues are not easy to track down, unless you know well what components in the OS could be responsible
[18:00] <DarkEra> it's a bit higher zequence instead of 60/62°C i now have 63 to 65 °C but that's it for now after multiple reboots as test
[18:00] <DarkEra> weird stuff
[18:01] <zequence> DarkEra: Are you absolutely sure it's higher now. How are you measuring? Idle session, only using sensors?
[18:02] <zequence> Is the computer in the same place. Did you have sunlight on it before, etc..
[18:02] <zequence> If it is higher because of xorg, I think it's worth reporting
[18:05] <DarkEra> i look at the GPU temperature in nvidia-settings, before the xorg x server update it was between 60 and 62 °C. Now as said before, it starts at 63 °C and goes up to 65 °C sometimes but that's ok i guess. Yesterday the temperature started at 72 °C and went up to 78 °C at some point The laptop is still in the same place en temperature.
[18:05] <DarkEra> en/and
[18:05] <DarkEra> the joys of testing :D
[18:08] <DarkEra> by the way, nvidia settings and Xchat are the only two i use right now


[14:08] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:08] <charlie-tca> Images seem to be working today, let's get them tested if possible, please
[14:28] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: probably a regression since beta1 - bug 840094
[14:29] <charlie-tca> testing Ubuntu image now to see if it happens there too
[14:37] <mr_pouit> mmh, the ugly theme has always been there afaik
[14:38] <mr_pouit> because xfsettingsd isn't started in this "session"
[14:38] <charlie-tca> I had the headers in beta1, I think.
[14:38] <charlie-tca> The ugly colors were gone, in the header panel
[14:39] <charlie-tca> (looked specifically for the pink panel )
[14:40] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu has its own problem, since when you choose "Install Ubuntu", it goes to the desktop
[17:46] <charlie-tca> knome: Are you able to do a countdown banner for the website for oneiric?
[17:46] <charlie-tca> Release date is October 13
[17:47] <pleia2> I nudged the website team about generic ubuntu countdown banners
[17:48] <charlie-tca> Yeah, but they are always Ubuntu specific
[18:38] <Pjotr> Yesterday we talked about the translations problem: Debian apparently only updates the Xfce core translations, not the translations for the panel plugins and the goodies. So Xubuntu inherits an incomplete and outdated pack of translations for the goodies and the panel plugins....
[18:38] <Pjotr> I think this matter is crucial for the success of Xubuntu. Many people who dislike Gnome 3, will soon want to switch to Xubuntu. For this to succeed, adequate and up-to-date translations are very important.
[18:39] <Pjotr> Have you found a solution yet? If it's too much work for the small crew of Xubuntu developers, how can I help?
[18:42] <micahg> Pjotr: convince upstream to make new releases with the translations :)
[18:59] <Pjotr> OK, whom can I contact, and what is the best way?
[19:00] <micahg> Pjotr: I was referring to the upstream app devs
[19:00] <micahg> Pjotr: maybe wait for mr_pouit, he knows all of this much better than I
[19:02] <Pjotr> OK, I'll wait for him. Nevertheless, I'm also willing to help with manually transferring all recent translations at Xfce.org straight into Xubuntu 11.10
[19:04] <Pjotr> at least the Dutch ones, which I've translated myself.  :P
[20:31] <Pjotr> mr_pouit: yesterday we discussed the fact that Debian apparently only updates the translations of the Xfce core packages, and not the panel plugins and the goodies
[20:31] <Pjotr> this is a serious problem for the success of Xubuntu
[20:31] <Pjotr> how can I help?
[20:41] <mr_pouit> we don't update translations right now, we use what is released by upstream
[20:45] <Pjotr> By upstream you mean Debian and not Xfce, I take. So perhaps I can contact Debian?
[20:45] <mr_pouit> no, I mean Xfce
[20:46] <Pjotr> But I had completed my Dutch translations at Xfce in June, and the translations of the goodies and the panel plugins aren't in Xubuntu 11.10 beta
[20:47] <mr_pouit> Pjotr: if the panel developer (nick) didn't release a new version from the 4.8 branch, then the new translations won't be in xubuntu (nor debian)
[20:48] <mr_pouit> xfce4-panel 4.8.5 was released on June, 21th
[20:50] <Pjotr> This is critical for the success of Xubuntu in Holland and Belgium.... How can I help getting those translations in Xubuntu 11.10? I mean the translations here: https://translations.xfce.org/projects/p/apps/r/master/l/nl/
[20:50] <mr_pouit> (Pjotr: you've committed a dutch translation on the day before, and one two weeks after, and another one yesterday)
[20:50] <Pjotr> yes, I've been busy polishing. But the joib was essentially done at the end of June
[20:50] <Pjotr> joib = job
[20:51] <mr_pouit> wthen it's in xubuntu 11.10 for xfce4-panel
[20:51] <mr_pouit> *then
[20:52] <Pjotr> yes, but there are many more packages... for example the plugins as well: https://translations.xfce.org/projects/p/panel-plugins/r/master/l/nl/
[20:53] <mr_pouit> yes, I know, but most of the panel plugins don't have an active developer upstream
[20:54] <Pjotr> so how can I help breaking this vicious circle? I think it's really important to have those translations in Xubuntu.
[20:56] <mr_pouit> you can try to raise this issue on the xfce4-dev ml, e.g. saying that for many panel plugins, you feel that we you translate will never be useful because they have very few new upstream releases
[20:57] <mr_pouit> (tbh, I don't think this is sane to focus on Xubuntu only: if there are new releases, all linux distributions will benefit of that :))
[20:57] <Pjotr> OK, that sounds good.... Do you know which developer in particular I can approach best?
[21:00] <mr_pouit> Pjotr: you can raise that on xfce-i18n (https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n/) to know how other translators feel about that
[21:01] <mr_pouit> then, xfce4-dev (https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev/) to contact the xfce core maintainers
[21:01] <mr_pouit> and goodies-dev (https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/goodies-dev/) for everything else (panel plugins, etc.)
[21:02] <Pjotr> That sounds even better. The more translators support this, the better. I expect that many of them don't know that much of their work is useless right now.
[21:02] <mr_pouit> or, you can also try irc (#xfce-dev), there are often developers present ;-)
[21:04] <Pjotr> Merci beaucoup. I'll do that.  :-)
[21:05] <Pjotr> and I'll keep you informed about the results.
[21:09] <mr_pouit> http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/goodies-dev/2010-October/002778.html for an attempt to... grmpbl he left
[21:10] <Unit193> Always....
[21:14] <charlie-tca> he'll be back...
[21:14] <mr_pouit> anyway, I'm subscribed to xfce4-dev@ and goodies-dev@, so I'll see ;-)
[21:15] <Unit193> Live session worked for you?
[21:16] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:16] <charlie-tca> both hardware and VBox
[21:16] <Unit193> Sorry, still only doing VBox :/
[21:16] <charlie-tca> I updated my VirtualBox, and got it to work again today
[21:17] <charlie-tca> That is a bit faster than hardware only
[21:34] <Unit193> They sure did change Ubiquity a little...
[21:36] <charlie-tca> So, it is not just me, then?
[21:37] <Unit193> I noticed it in "Location" the most. Still always has The name is already on the Network
[21:38] <Unit193> ...
[21:38] <Unit193> We just got a call from...Avalon?
[21:42] <astraljava> Unit193: King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table Avalon?
[21:42] <Unit193> astraljava: That's the only one I know of...
[21:43] <astraljava> Well, there's this: http://www.avalonrecords.com/
[21:43] <astraljava> And this: http://www.avalonhollywood.com/
[21:44] <astraljava> And this: http://www.avalonuk.com/, which must be pretty close to the original, mind you. :)
[21:45] <astraljava> Anyways, I'll try to test tomorrow again. Pretty exhausted, have been for several days now.
[21:45] <Unit193> Yeah, I've been a little lazy I guess...
[21:46] <Unit193> Oh, I'll be afk over the weekend (Major scrollup I will have...)
[21:46] <astraljava> Yeah, don't even try to read it all. :)
[21:50] <charlie-tca> astraljava: no problem. Get some rest, if you need it.
[21:50] <charlie-tca> Unit193: testing over the weekend would be great!
[21:51] <astraljava> Umm... I'm afraid AFK means something else, not testing.
[21:52] <astraljava> But I should be able to test over the weekend. Do they spin images over the weekend, though?
[21:52] <Unit193> Well, bad dial-up at best, nothing is more what type of internet I'll assume
[21:53] <charlie-tca> yes, they spin everyday
[21:53] <astraljava> Oh okay, cool.
[23:14] <knome> pleia2, i can do the countdown banners
[23:14] <knome> just need to clear my head of beer
[23:14] <knome> again
[23:14] <knome> so see you tomorrow ->
[23:17] <Unit193> Adios!
[23:17] <Unit193> Update your beer tracker!


[02:42] <ddecator> drew212: not sure i'll be able to help, but you can ping me in -chicago or -beginners later
[06:21] <^arky^> hi all
[06:22] <ddecator> hey ^arky^
[06:24] <^arky^> howz life ddecator ?
[06:24]  * ^arky^ looks around for micahg
[06:24] <micahg> hi ^arky^
[06:24] <^arky^> howdy micahg, can I trouble you with a question about ubiquity testing
[06:25] <micahg> ^arky^: you can try, I don't know much about it though
[06:25] <^arky^> Yeah, i need to test ubiquity for a11y. Do you know how I can run it so that I can test it with accerciser
[06:26] <micahg> ^arky^: nope
[06:26] <^arky^> np micahg
[06:26] <micahg> ^arky^: maybe in -quality
[06:26] <micahg> ^arky^: or -desktop
[06:27] <^arky^> I'll look it up
[06:27] <^arky^> any hugdays coming up micahg ?
[06:28] <micahg> ^arky^: yesterday :)
[06:28] <micahg> ^arky^: xkeyboard-config
[06:29] <^arky^> darn! missed it
[06:29] <ddecator> ^arky^: not bad, and yourself?
[06:29] <micahg> ^arky^: feel free to finish the bugs off :)
[06:30] <ddecator> ^arky^: so far we've been pretty good about having hugdays every thursday :)
[06:30] <^arky^> cool, will do that. Right now I am finishing off a11y bugs in software-center
[07:07] <drew212> micahg: are you around?
[07:07] <drew212> or ddecator?
[07:07] <ddecator> drew212: yesum
[07:08] <drew212> mind if i PM you about a serious problem?
[07:08] <ddecator> drew212: sure
[07:09] <micahg> drew212: I'm here too if it helps
[07:10] <drew212> micahg: ddecator is helping me, for now, i did a fresh install of ubuntu on the HDD i had some important(business) pictures on, and i need to find them
[07:11] <drew212> micahg: any ideas on how to recover them?
[07:11] <micahg> drew212: k
[07:11] <micahg> drew212: let's take this to -chicago
[08:04] <^arky^> Hi Mvo,
[08:04] <mvo> hi ^arky^
[08:05] <^arky^> Regarding the progress bar a11y bug in software-center
[08:05] <^arky^> I now have a counter "10%" as well now
[08:06] <^arky^> Were you able to play with span id selector problem?
[08:10] <mvo> ^arky^: not yet, sorry. I want to do it today
[08:13] <^arky^> mvo, Here is updated code for AppDetailsView.html http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/458188/
[08:13] <mvo> ^arky^: thanks!
[08:13] <^arky^> I haven't styled counter yet
[08:14] <^arky^> Still struggle to get aria progress bar to work with orca on lucid
[08:15] <^arky^> mvo, who's responsible for webkit aria on ubuntu ?
[08:17] <mvo> ^arky^: best is probably kov(at)debian.org - he is also around in the #webkitgtk irc channel usually
[08:17] <mvo> but different TZ
[08:17] <^arky^> thanks I will chase him down
[15:41] <Kangarooo> hello ive got one mail one day about bug but dont understand whats there.. heres blog about thtat bug i got in email http://extats.blogspot.com/2010/03/annoying-error-message-from-startxfce4.html
[16:56] <ziggystar> Hi. I'm having problems with a supposed bug concerning the network manager applet. Any chance I find some help here?
[16:57] <ziggystar> I created a second user and that user can't access wifi. At least not properly. Somehow it works after waiting for ages. Running nm-applet with sudo on that accounts works.
[16:58] <ziggystar> There are also some error messages in syslog about getting no d-bus reply and something with permissions. Can anyone tell me how nm-applet gets run by gnome?
[18:40] <Darxus> My computer has been crashing at least once a day since upgrading to Lucid.  Known video driver bug.  I know I can get it to stop crashing by going back to Jaunty.  I believe the important difference is that in Jaunty, hardware acceleration for this (Intel 845) video card is black listed.
[18:41] <Darxus> What is necessary to just blacklist hardware acceleration again?
[18:43] <Darxus> Bug #541492.
[18:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 541492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "MASTER: [i845] GPU lockup (apport-crash) (Should KMS be blacklisted?) (affects: 74) (dups: 30) (heat: 498)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/541492
[18:45] <Darxus> Also, why is this "High" ranked bug which has been triaged for four months not assigned?
[18:50] <arand> Darxus: Possibly because the work is being done upstream, and the only thing ubuntu is commited to do is the packaging, which is minor, and doesn't really need an assignee... Also, there's really no strict policy it seems when it comes to ubuntu, and many bugs will be fixed without assigning anyone, because it's clear anyways, or that it's to unclear to be definite. (My thoughts from my knowlegde...)
[18:52] <Darxus> I'm sure the majority of people with this video card have changed video cards, downgraded Ubuntu, or gone back to Windows.  That's infuriating.
[18:54] <jcastro> Darxus: you might want to check in #ubuntu-x
[18:57] <arand> It is a major issue indeed. It seems though that the issue has received considerable focus (hence the well-organised bugs), and my guess would be that plans are to get it ptched as soon as a proper[tm] solution is ready (since a temporary fix failed already: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/541492/comments/38)
[18:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 541492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "MASTER: [i845] GPU lockup (apport-crash) (Should KMS be blacklisted?) (affects: 74) (dups: 30) (heat: 498)" [High,Triaged]
[18:57] <arand> Darxus: ↑
[19:00] <Darxus> Same bug.
[19:01] <arand> Darxus: My comment above. (ubot2 is a bit agressive in linking constantly)
[19:02] <Darxus> Ah.
[19:03] <Darxus> Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel State: installed Version: 2:2.9.1-3ubuntu5
[19:03] <Darxus> Newer than the version in which it was supposedly fixed.
[19:45] <zus> hello every one
[20:26] <arjunak01> can someone take a look at bug 597639
[20:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 597639 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "nautrilus crashes on opening /usr/bin (affects: 1) (heat: 391)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597639
[20:32] <arjunak01>  can someone take a look at bug 597639
[20:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 597639 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "nautrilus crashes on opening /usr/bin (affects: 1) (heat: 391)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597639
[20:48] <micahg> anyone else getting bug change mails from Kathy Stamatelakis?
[20:51] <Kangarooo> ive got one mail one day about bug but dont understand whats there.. heres blog about thtat bug i got in email http://extats.blogspot.com/2010/03/annoying-error-message-from-startxfce4.html
[20:57] <mr_pouit> Kangarooo: already reported upstream: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6314
[20:57] <ubot2> bugzilla.xfce.org bug 6314 in General "Annoying messages on .xsession-errors" [Normal,New]
[21:03] <Darxus> 01:50PM < arand> Darxus: Possibly because the work is being done upstream, and the only thing ubuntu is commited to do is the packaging....
[21:04] <Darxus> Upstream bug looks like no progress in a couple months:  http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26345
[21:04] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 26345 in Driver/intel "[845G] CPU/GPU incoherency" [Critical,New]
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, who the hell is Kathy Stamatelakis?
[21:05] <chrisccoulson>  they've just changed the status's of 5 mozilla bugs in quick succession for no apparent reason
[21:05]  * chrisccoulson annoyed
[21:05] <jcastro> Darxus: you realize your comments in the upstream bug tracker and launchpad are just spamming people right?
[21:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I asked the question a little while ago w/no response
[21:19] <Darxus> jcastro: What do you suggest?
[21:22] <Darxus> jcastro: Also, your definition of "spamming" sucks.
[21:23] <jcastro> the guy in the lp bug gave you a suggestion
[21:23] <jcastro> @Darxus
[21:23] <jcastro> Have you tried the Glasenhart 855-patch plus the libdrm and intel driver patches along with Brian Rodger's Mesa patch (installed in that order). Fixed everything almost on my i845 box.
[21:26] <Darxus> Can I get an answer to my question about just shutting off hardware acceleration to just make it stop crashing?  Is that all it would take?  Is that hard?
[21:27] <Darxus> jcastro: No, I haven't tried that.  I want something that will make it stop crashing, instead of futilly trying to make it mostly work.
[21:27] <jcastro> maybe just drop down to vesa?
[21:27] <Darxus> That might be a good idea, thanks.  Would that be effectively the same as disabling hardware acceleration?
[21:28] <jcastro> yes
[21:28] <jcastro> unfortunately you have old hw, it's probably your best bet
[21:29] <jcastro> you won't get bling but at least it won't crash
[21:29] <Darxus> That's exactly what I'm looking for, thanks.
[21:37] <Darxus> jcastro: Vesa isn't allowing me to do screen rotation, or the resolution I was using under Jaunty, which didn't crash my display.  So this is probably a better option for me, but still unfortunate.
[21:39] <jcastro> yeah
[21:49] <Darxus> jcastro: I really appreciate your help.
[21:50] <jcastro> no worries
[22:11] <simar> Please see the bug no 565543
[22:11] <simar> Please see the bug 565543
[22:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 565543 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "horizontal scrollbar does not work in VAIO VPCEB15EL touchpad. (affects: 9) (heat: 54)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565543
[23:18] <mcgowa_s> hello
[23:20] <mcgowa_s> I am trying to get involved and I am on step 2 of How to Request a Mentor.  Is "Set up your Ubuntu Wiki-page" referring to my launchpad homepage?
[23:24] <hggdh> mcgowa_s: actually referring to wiki.ubuntu.com
[23:29] <mcgowa_s> hggdh: Thanks... is there a how-to for this?  I can't seem to find one.
[23:33] <hggdh> mcgowa_s: I guess something like this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiCourse/01%20What%20is%20a%20MoinMoin%20wiki%3F


[00:14] <dashua> SiDi: Might be onto something here.  Will have to work on it some more.  Thoughts?
[00:15] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/13505/ screenshot_027_3WFU4o.png
[00:16] <SiDi> good path :p
[00:16] <SiDi> tho, is there a way to get the outside borders "round" ?
[00:17] <dashua> Hrm, I don't think unless I use the same color so it blends in.
[00:19] <dashua> You mean rounds the bottom and tops pf the steppers?
[00:19] <dashua> round*
[00:20] <SiDi> yeh
[00:20] <dashua> Maybe dilomo can help me some time.  He is a pixmap master.
[21:12] <SiDi> dashua: i'm up'ing the hanso xfwm to xfce-artwork ;)
[23:27] <SiDi> Night people


[08:29] <kklimonda> should we include upstream changelogs/NEWS files in package's changelog and commit message?
[08:30] <kklimonda> and what if there were two upstream releases in the meantime?
[08:49] <kklimonda> for packages that are maintainer in ubuntu-desktop bzr branches should I subscribe ubuntu-{universe/main}-sponsors as usual or ubuntu-desktop team?
[08:49] <kklimonda> maintained*
[15:16] <pitti> Hello all
[15:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm much better again, thanks :) greetings from Dublin
[15:17] <pitti> didrocks: hey, how are you; yes, I'm quite alright again, just some remaining sore throat
[15:17] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti! how's dublin? are you drinking the guiness yet?
[15:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: haven't seen much yet, just had a quick snack
[15:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: nah, I better abstain alcohol for the next few days yet :)
[15:19] <chrisccoulson> might be a good idea!
[15:21] <pitti> chrisccoulson: we'll have a Guiness brewery tour on Thursday, I won't miss that :)
[15:21] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can imagine that would be fun ;)
[15:23] <chrisccoulson> no more gnome-applets hal dependency \o/
[15:23] <pitti> yay Chris!
[15:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: re g-applets again, I just replied, but in summary: with your current level of involvement it should be fine for you to "just do it", and see if anyone complains :)
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i can disable both then. there's still time to see if users complain about it anyway ;)
[15:25] <pitti> X.org migration is currently being discussed on the devkit ML, but I doubt it'll make karmic
[15:25] <pitti> other than that, the main thing on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy is music players
[15:25] <pitti> we got pretty far in karmic \o/
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's quite good. i think the biggest remaining one is Xorg now
[15:27] <pitti> well, and Solid of course, but I didn't really count that yet
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> i take it that rhythmbox depends on "identify media players and capabilities" doesn't it?
[15:28] <pitti> right
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> is anyone working on that?
[15:28] <pitti> I convered the hal-fdi stuff into udev rules and "*.mpi" files, but this actually needs to get used by RB
[15:28] <pitti> Christophe was, but I don't know the current status
[15:29]  * pitti asks
[15:33] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'll let you know when he replies (seems AFK right now)
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks.
[15:33] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hah, just saw your mugshot, nice!
[15:34] <pitti> "Put the metal to the pedal to the other metal!"
[15:35] <chrisccoulson> lol! i like futurama ;)
[15:36] <pitti> I love it
[15:36] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can sit watching it for hours!
[15:36] <pitti> I never became warm with Simpsons, but Futurama is gorgeous
[15:36]  * pitti has all episodes on disk
[15:37] <chrisccoulson> right, i've got to go and do some painting now before my girlfriend returns from her shopping trip, else she'll think i've spent all day on om my computer
[15:37] <pitti> chrisccoulson: and of course you did! :-)
[15:37] <chrisccoulson> yeah, most of the day;)
[15:37] <pitti> chrisccoulson: anyway, don't mess with SWMBO, cu later!
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> haha, thanks. enjoy your stay in dublin:)
[15:56] <didrocks> pitti: I'm fine too, thanks. Happy that's getting better for you :)
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> yessss! painting finished!
[16:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: that was quick
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i only had some wood to paint. and just in time too - she just arrived back home ;)
[16:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so how come you can _still_ be at the computer? :-)
[16:24] <pitti> shouldn't she show you all the new fancy dresses and shoes?
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> i'll have to go down and make a drink soon ;)
[17:11] <pitti> chrisccoulson: FYI: teuf| pitti: I think moch had a basic patch, but as far as I know, it's not online
[17:11] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so, we shouldn't hold our breath
[17:17] <fta> chrisccoulson, the disk free bug is related to 32bit overflows.<PHONE_NUMBER>-2^32)/1024/1024 = 729M, which is what the pop reports
[23:37] <kklimonda> who should I subscribe to update bugs for packages that are maintained in ubuntu-desktop bzr branches for sponsoring?
[23:38] <kklimonda> universe-sponsors, ubuntu-desktop or both?
[23:38] <kklimonda> (universe/main)


[21:46] <itsme37206> could you please provide mozilla-daily for Ubuntu 15.10?
[21:47] <itsme37206> and there are a lot of build failures: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages


[15:06] <dipankar> lfaraone, hi, around?
[15:12] <lfaraone> dipankar: for a short while. what;s up?
[15:22] <dfarning> dipankar, how are you coming? any questions?
[15:25] <dipankar> dfarning, good. working on ticket #2289.
[15:26] <dfarning> dipankar, did you see you got a couple of reviews and suggestions on sugar-devel
[15:28] <dipankar> dfarning, looking at it :)
[15:35] <manusheel> ankur__: Hi Ankur.
[15:35] <manusheel> ankur__: Are you still working on Neeraj's machine?
[15:35] <ankur__> hi manusheel sir
[15:35] <dipankar> lfaraone, I need your help a bit in changing my account preferences at  :http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[15:35] <ankur__> yes sir
[15:36] <manusheel> ankur__: Ok.
[15:36] <dipankar> lfaraone, I want to change mailing type from 'batch' to 'mail per post'. Would be great if you could help me out
[15:38] <dipankar> dfarning, here : http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2289
[15:40] <dipankar> dfarning, Sascha commented"
[15:40] <dfarning> dipankar, looking
[15:40] <dipankar> if all we're doing in TimeoutServerProxy is adding a parameter and we only have one trivial caller, why add a new class at all?
[15:40] <dipankar> +    def make_connection(self, host):
[15:40] <dipankar> +        host, extra_headers, x509 = self.get_host_info(host)
[15:40] <dipankar> +        conn = TimeoutHTTP(host, timeout=self.timeout)
[15:40] <dipankar> +        return conn
[15:40] <dipankar> Please combine the last two lines."
[15:40] <dipankar> dfarning, wish if you could provide a solution for this ^^
[15:41] <dfarning> dipankar,  return TimeoutHTTP(host, timeout=self.timeout)
[15:41] <dipankar> dfarning, that part is done :)
[15:41] <dipankar> dfarning, about removing classes
[15:41] <dfarning> dipankar, the first solution is just making a local variable which is not used.
[15:42] <dipankar> dfarning, how can we remove the classes when they are derived from base classes on purpose?
[15:43] <dfarning> dipankar, see http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel to modify your ML subscription
[15:45] <dipankar> dfarning, I through with that. Thanks :)
[15:47] <dipankar> dfarning, about replacing classes with functions? I can't get any solution to that part
[15:50] <dfarning> dipankar, I suggest talking to silbe on #sugar about that.  He might not have a good answer.... but can explain his thinking.  BTW asking specif questions is important..  Please give me pointers about .....? puts the preassure on the other person to solve your problem.  I think you will have more luck asking a specific question like, "how should I remove remore the class if it inherits from a parent class?"
[15:51] <dipankar> dfarning, ok.
[16:00] <dfarning> dipankar, please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html it is the stand for communication on opensource projects.
[16:11] <ankur__> alsroot,  hi :)
[16:11] <alsroot> ankur__: hi
[16:13] <ankur__> i have worked on adding report bug button in  control panel  . till now we have added a reportbug folder in cpsection defining the icon name , class name and title in __init__ file. and in view.py file i have added these two lines to call apport bug reporting :
[16:13] <ankur__> from subprocess import call
[16:13] <ankur__> call(['ubuntu-bug', '-p','sugar-emulator-0.88'])
[16:14] <ankur__> can i procees with this ?
[16:14] <ankur__> *proceed/procees
[16:15] <alsroot> ankur__: why not, call should work
[16:17] <ankur__> now clicking on reportbug button in CP triggers apport , but it also shows the accept and cancel toolbar , which is not needed. i have tried to make amends but i was not successful. i tried making changes in gui.py files
[16:17]  * alsroot looks
[16:17] <ankur__> but i was able to achieve what i would have wanted . Can you suggest the part of code to target :)
[16:19] <ankur__> what i have tried to make is that clicking on reportbug button just triggers apport but does not show any option menu.It should just keep showing the main view of CP . we tried to add conditions using
[16:19] <ankur__> if option == reportbug : at various places .It seems that placement was not right .
[16:27] <alsroot> ankur__: I think right way would be add do-not-open-cp-frame feature, e.g. if view class wasn't setup, frameless mode will be enabled
[16:28] <alsroot> hmm.. we have only one CLASS in __init__, /me looks
[16:30] <alsroot> ankur__: if "action.py" is present in CP directory, it will be imported and initiated (somehow) instead of trying to import view.py and mmodel.py
[16:31] <alsroot> ankur__: see sugar/src/git/sugar/src/jarabe/gui.py:show_section_view
[16:33] <lfaraone> dipankar: did you figure out how to fix your mailing list problem?
[16:33] <dipankar> lfaraone, yes, thanks
[16:34] <lfaraone> dfarning: Mozillateam told me that I need to contact Mozilla for trademark clarification. While we're at it, should we fix the stylesheets + download manager intergr. extension, so I don't have to re-request permissions if we fix them in the future?
[16:34] <alsroot> ankur__: btw do you really not need component frame? I mean you can place there explanation text about bug reporting and one button to launch ubuntu-bug
[16:35] <dfarning> lfaraone, yes please.
[17:02] <dfarning> dipankar, ping
[17:02] <dipankar> dfarning, here
[17:12] <dfarning> dipankar, just wondering if you have any general sugar development of develoment process questions?
[17:13] <dipankar> dfarning, didn't get you :). development of development
[17:13] <dipankar> ?
[17:14] <dipankar> dfarning, The patch creation is a bit tougher than I thought :P
[17:15] <dipankar> dfarning, how do we add description in patch btw?
[17:15] <dipankar> dfarning, sascha said here: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2289#comment:3
[17:15] <dipankar> * description is missing
[17:16] <dfarning> development _or_ development process questions.
[17:17] <dfarning> dipankar,  to add a discription to a patch you need to include the description in the commit message.
[17:18] <dfarning> dipankar, the normal format for a commit message is one line summary, blank line, paragraph description.
[17:20] <dipankar> dfarning, thanks. on it
[17:21] <dfarning> dipankar, did i explain the difference between and review and an ack?
[17:22] <dipankar> dfarning, I don't think so. ack? I don't remember having any idea of it
[17:25] <dfarning> dipankar, ok the peer review process in sugar, as with most open source projects, is a best practice for writing good code.
[17:26] <dfarning> dipankar, on the other hand, to keep things sane most modules have one or at most two maintainers.  The maintains have the final desions to commit a patch.  So it is really their opinion that you _need_ to get.
[17:27] <dipankar> dfarning, I agree. :) Took those review in healthy sense. Also I didn't know the exact format of a patch. Thanks to sascha now I know that too.
[17:27] <dfarning> dipankar, only maintainers can 'ack' a patch.  see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Development_Team/Code_Review
[17:28] <dipankar> dfarning, :). Went through that. manusheel sent the link to me :)
[17:28] <dfarning> dipankar, +1 the list of module maintainers is at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Modules
[17:30] <dipankar> dfarning, I somewhat feel that they have some control over the patching :)
[17:31] <dipankar> dfarning, after all they will be responsible for the working of the core module
[17:31] <dfarning> dipankar, so reviews are alot about the judgement and trust of the reviewer and the submitter.  If marco, tomeu, simon, or alsroot suggest something it is a good idea to listen.... If i suggest something please feel free to ignore me:)
[17:32] <dfarning> dipankar, +1 only a module maintainer can make the final decision to commit a path to the upstream git repository.
[17:34] <dipankar> dfarning, your opinions also matter.
[17:34] <dipankar> dfarning, btw, I have remade the patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/489324/
[17:34] <dipankar> I hope sascha accepts it now
[17:36] <dfarning> dipankar, looks good.
[17:36] <dipankar> dfarning, thanks
[17:36] <dipankar> dfarning, its getting past dinner time here, and I haven't had dinner :(
[17:37]  * dipankar is off to dinner
[17:37] <dfarning> ok is you later.
[18:13] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hi Kandarp.
[18:13] <manusheel> kandarpk: Did you receive the steps on testing the code change in jhbuild?
[18:13] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hello sir
[18:14] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes sir.
[18:14] <manusheel> kandarpk: Please check shell.log for finding the syntax error.
[18:15] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: ok
[18:15] <manusheel> kandarpk: ~/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log, sugar shell logs to this file
[18:21] <dfarning> kandarpk, how are you coming? any questions?
[18:34] <manusheel> dfarning: Kandarp will be back in a minute. His Ubuntu 10.10 is hanging badly.
[18:40] <dfarning> kandarpk, are you back?  network trouble?
[18:40] <kandarpk> dfarning: 10.10 doesn't work properly on my system :(
[18:40] <kandarpk> it just hangs
[18:40] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ubuntu 10.10 is under development, it seems.
[18:40] <dfarning> kandarpk, where does it hang?
[18:41] <dfarning> kandarpk, manusheel yep 10.10 will be release on oct 10
[18:41] <kandarpk> dfarning: the windows manager takes around 3-4 seconds to show folders
[18:42] <dfarning> kandarpk, did you just do a fresh install of 10.10
[18:42] <kandarpk> dfarning: yes
[18:45] <dfarning> kandarpk, try going to synaptic and making sure all of the development and testing repos are enabled and then tty to update the system.
[18:45] <dfarning> s/tty/try/
[18:45] <kandarpk> dfarning: sure.
[18:46] <dfarning> kandarpk, when running 10.10 you will want to run 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade' every day
[18:54] <dfarning> kandarpk, is it still updating?
[18:54] <kandarpk> dfarning: working from Debian now.
[18:55] <dfarning> kandarpk, ahh.  I just waht to check to see if you have any general questions.
[18:55] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok
[18:55] <kandarpk> dfarning: installing jhbuild on Debian
[18:56] <kandarpk> will update 10.10 after that
[18:56] <dfarning> kandarpk, +1
[18:57] <dfarning> manusheel, I was wondering if we should add kandarpk to our daily status discussion?  We might need to reschedule it:)
[19:11] <manusheel> dfarning: Yes. We'll do that sometime. Right now, that would add too much work on Kandarp's side.
[19:11] <manusheel> dfarning: Would like him to focus on development work at this juncture.
[19:13] <dfarning> manusheel, +1
[19:28] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hi Kandarp.
[19:28] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hi
[19:56] <kandarpk> dfarning, lfaraone : sugar-jhbuild depends on libsqlite3-dev
[19:57] <kandarpk> trying sudo apt-get install libsqlite3-dev gives
[19:57] <kandarpk> Err http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main libsqlite3-0 <IP_ADDRESS>-1
[19:57] <kandarpk>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[19:57] <kandarpk> Err http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main libsqlite3-dev <IP_ADDRESS>-1
[19:57] <kandarpk>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[19:57] <kandarpk> Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sqlite3/libsqlite3-0_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[19:57] <kandarpk> Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sqlite3/libsqlite3-dev_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]